TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, JANUARY 19, 2023
9:00 A.M.
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09:03:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
09:03:28AM ARE WE READY?
09:03:35AM EVERYTHING HAS GONE IN?
09:03:37AM AND WELCOME TO CITY COUNCIL MEETING HELD THIS DAY ON JANUARY
09:03:41AM 19, 2023.
09:03:43AM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:03:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:03:50AM MY PLEASURE THIS MORNING TO WELCOME A -- A FREQUENT VISITOR
09:03:53AM HERE TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL TO GIVE THE INVOCATION.
09:03:56AM PASTOR NANCE WHO IS A FRIEND TO MANY OF US AND A FAMILIAR
09:04:01AM FACE WHOM YOU KNOW.
09:04:03AM SIR, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME TO THE LECTERN AND PLEASE
09:04:07AM STAND FOR THE INVOCATION AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE.
09:04:10AM >> LET'S PRAY.
09:04:11AM OUR FATHER, WE JUST WANT TO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR GRACE
09:04:15AM AND KINDNESS UPON US AND LORD, WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR
09:04:21AM MULTITUDE OF BLESSINGS.
09:04:22AM FASTER, WE THANK YOU FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA AND HOW YOU HAVE
09:04:25AM BLESSED US AND, LORD, HOW YOU JUST PROTECTED US AND KEPT US
09:04:29AM IN SO MANY WAYS AND WE LOOK TO YOU AND PRAISE YOUR NAME FOR
09:04:33AM THAT.
09:04:33AM LORD, AS WE COME TO THE CITY COUNCIL, LORD, WE KNOW THAT
09:04:36AM THIS IS A BODY THAT MAKES MANY DECISIONS.
09:04:40AM AND DISCERNS THE DIRECTION OF OUR CITY AND, LORD, WE PRAY
09:04:45AM THAT YOU WILL GRANT THEM WISDOM AND FAVOR AND HELP.
09:04:50AM AND LORD, I JUST PRAY THAT YOU GIVE THEM, LORD, WHAT THEY
09:04:53AM NEED.
09:04:53AM I PRAY THAT YOU WILL BE WITH OUR MAYOR.
09:04:55AM I PRAY THAT YOU WILL BE WITH OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT.
09:04:58AM I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD BLESS THEIR HOMES.
09:05:01AM BLESS THEIR LIVES.
09:05:02AM AND FATHER, WE JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE LOVE THAT YOU
09:05:06AM HAVE FOR US AND THE PROTECTION THAT YOU GIVE US TO ON A
09:05:08AM DAILY BASIS.
09:05:09AM LORD, IF THERE ARE SPECIAL BURDENS IN THIS ROOM, LORD, I ASK
09:05:16AM YOU TO PRAY AND MINISTER TO THOSE.
09:05:17AM WE LOVE YOU AND THANKFUL FOR YOU IN JESUS'S NAME WE PRAY.
09:05:24AM AMEN.
09:05:25AM [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:05:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:05:34AM PLEASE BE SEATED.
09:05:35AM ROLL CALL.
09:05:40AM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
09:05:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
09:05:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
09:05:45AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
09:05:46AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
09:05:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:05:49AM >>CLERK: YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:05:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES FROM
09:05:54AM JANUARY 5.
09:05:55AM MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:05:57AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:05:59AM ANY DISCUSSION?
09:06:02AM ANY CHANGES?
09:06:04AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09:06:06AM ANY OPPOSED?
09:06:09AM MOTION HAS PASSED.
09:06:10AM LET'S GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.
09:06:15AM EXCUSE ME -- I AM SORRY.
09:06:17AM MR. SHELBY.
09:06:19AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST VERY BRIEFLY.
09:06:20AM GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:06:21AM MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL.
09:06:23AM MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNTY COUNCIL.
09:06:26AM TO WAIVE THE RULES TO CONTINUE CMT AS SET FORTH IN THE
09:06:30AM NOTICE ON THE AGENDA.
09:06:30AM THANK YOU.
09:06:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:06:33AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:06:36AM ALL IN FAVOR.
09:06:37AM ANY OPPOSED?
09:06:39AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:06:40AM ALL RIGHT, WE WILL GO THROUGH THE AGENDA ITEM NOW.
09:06:43AM FIRST WE WILL HEAR -- NOT AT THIS TIME, BUT WE ARE GOING TO
09:06:48AM HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH ZOO TAMPA ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATES.
09:06:52AM I HAVE -- WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TWO THINGS COME UP FIRST.
09:07:00AM ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATES.
09:07:02AM WE WILL BE DISCUSSING THE PROPOSED CHARTER CHANGES.
09:07:05AM ALSO WE HAVE OUR BLACK HISTORY MONTH, I BELIEVE, IS ALSO
09:07:09AM GOING TO BE ADMINISTRATIVE FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2.
09:07:13AM THEN WE WILL BE MOVING UP AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8 AND 37 TO BE
09:07:21AM DISCUSSED DURING THE ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATES.
09:07:24AM CHIEF BENNETT.
09:07:29AM >>JOHN BENNETT: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:07:33AM JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
09:07:35AM GOOD MORNING TO OUR PUBLIC AS WELL.
09:07:37AM MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE AGENDA REVIEW YESTERDAY -- AND I
09:07:41AM DON'T KNOW IF MR. SHELBY CAN HELP US HERE, BUT SEVERAL
09:07:45AM WALK-ON ITEMS.
09:07:45AM WE HAD SENT A MEMO IN TO HAVE ITEM 2, 37, BROUGHT UP TO TWO
09:07:53AM AND ITEM 8 BROUGHT UP TO TWO TO SUPPORT CHIEF TRIPP'S
09:07:57AM TIMELINE.
09:07:57AM WHATEVER PLEASURE IS COUNCIL BETWEEN THE WALK-ONES AND ITEM
09:08:01AM 2, WE WILL HEAR THIS REPORT.
09:08:03AM THANK YOU.
09:08:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION TO MOVE ITEMS 8 AND 37 UP AND TO
09:08:08AM HAVE DISCUSSION OF THE CHARTER -- CHARTER AMENDMENTS AND --
09:08:14AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:08:15AM OH, I AM SORRY.
09:08:16AM I THOUGHT -- MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:08:19AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:08:22AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09:08:25AM ANY OPPOSED?
09:08:26AM THANK YOU.
09:08:27AM RESOLUTION FOR AGENDA ITEM 3 AND 4.
09:08:29AM WE HAVE RESOLUTIONS FOR 5 AND 6.
09:08:35AM AND I BELIEVE MR. BHIDE WILL BE WITH US AND WE WILL HEAR
09:08:39AM THOSE AT THE SAME TIME.
09:08:40AM ALSO RESOLUTION FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7.
09:08:46AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8, WHICH IS COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ARE WE
09:08:51AM STILL GOING TO BE HAVING A LIVE IN PERSON?
09:08:57AM >>BILL CARLSON: MOVING THAT TO NUMBER TWO.
09:09:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NUMBER 9.
09:09:02AM NUMBER 10, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:09:05AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES, PLEASE.
09:09:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NUMBER 11.
09:09:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK: ABSOLUTELY.
09:09:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS DUNCAN WILL BE TALKING 12 AND 13.
09:09:16AM AND 27 AND 28 WILL ALSO BE DISCUSSED AT THAT TIME.
09:09:20AM AND AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:09:31AM >>BILL CARLSON: 13.
09:09:32AM YES.
09:09:32AM 13, 14, YES, 15, 16, YES.
09:09:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MAKER OF THE MOTION FOR 17.
09:09:41AM YES, PLEASE AND THANK YOU.
09:09:43AM NUMBER 18, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:09:45AM I BELIEVE THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED TO BE MOVED TO FEBRUARY
09:09:48AM 23.
09:09:49AM >>BILL CARLSON: SO MOVED.
09:09:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
09:09:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:09:54AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:09:56AM ALL IN FAVOR.
09:09:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
09:10:00AM AND THE ADDENDUM.
09:10:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND THE ADDENDUM.
09:10:05AM MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:10:07AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:10:09AM ALL IN FAVOR.
09:10:11AM ANY OBJECTION.
09:10:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. CHAIRMAN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL DO
09:10:14AM IT NOW OR THEN BUT ITEM NUMBER 59, A REQUEST TO BE CONTINUED
09:10:18AM APRIL --
09:10:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT IS A 1:30 MEETING.
09:10:22AM WE WILL HAVE TO COME BACK AFTER LUNCH.
09:10:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU GOT IT.
09:10:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: OKAY.
09:10:27AM EVERYTHING SET?
09:10:28AM LET'S DO CRITTER TALKING.
09:10:30AM I BELIEVE WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM ZOO TAMPA HERE.
09:10:32AM >> GOOD MORNING.
09:10:35AM I AM JOE COUCEIRO, THE CEO OF ZOO TAMPA, AND I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF
09:10:42AM WORKING WITH A BUNCH OF GOOD PEOPLE AND NEAT ANIMALS AS
09:10:47AM WELL.
09:10:47AM RONNIE ALLEN WHO MANAGES OUR AMBASSADOR PROGRAM THAT REACHES
09:10:52AM UP TO ALL OF OUR GUESTS WITH UP-CLOSE ENCOUNTERS NOT JUST
09:10:57AM THE ZOO BUT AUTO OUTREACH CAPACITY LIKE THIS ONE.
09:10:59AM RONNIE, TELL EVERYBODY WHAT FRIENDS YOU MAY BE PLAYING WITH
09:11:03AM TODAY?
09:11:03AM >> ABSOLUTELY.
09:11:04AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, IT WOULD BE EASIER
09:11:07AM FOR THE CAMERAS TO PICK YOU UP AND GET TO THE MICROPHONE AS
09:11:11AM WELL.
09:11:11AM >> WELCOME, EVERYONE, A PLEASURE TO BE HERE WITH ALL OF YOU
09:11:15AM THIS MORNING.
09:11:16AM MY NAME IS RONNIE, LIKE JOE SAID.
09:11:19AM AND THIS IS MY TEAMMATE.
09:11:23AM SHE IS A PORCUPINE.
09:11:26AM AND THIS IS SYLVIO.
09:11:29AM HE IS AN ANTEATER.
09:11:33AM ZOO TAMPA, OUR AMBASSADOR PROGRAM OUR GOAL IS TO INSPIRE
09:11:38AM GUESTS AND IN A UP-CLOSE AND PERSONAL WAY JUST LIKE WE ARE
09:11:42AM DOING WITH YOU TODAY.
09:11:43AM OUR PRIVILEGE TO BE HERE.
09:11:44AM THESE ANIMALS ARE BOTH NATIVE TO SOUTH AMERICA.
09:11:47AM AND THEY ARE OVER 500 SPECIES NATIVE TO SOUTH AMERICA THAT
09:11:52AM ARE CURRENTLY ENDANGERED.
09:11:54AM A HUGE GOAL OF OURS TO CONNECT PEOPLE WITH WILDLIFE AND TRY
09:12:00AM TO CONNECT THEM WITH WAYS THEY CAN HELP THEIR SPECIES EITHER
09:12:03AM FROM FLORIDA OR WHEREVER THEY MAY COME FROM.
09:12:07AM >> THANK YOU, RONNIE.
09:12:09AM ANY QUESTIONS ON OUR CRITTERS?
09:12:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN, PLEASE -- COUNCILMEMBERS.
09:12:18AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST WANT TO SAY ABOUT THE ZOO IN
09:12:21AM GENERAL, THESE THINGS WOULDN'T BE POSSIBLE WITHOUT YOUR
09:12:24AM LEADERSHIP AND EVERYONE UNDER YOU.
09:12:26AM EVERY TIME I VISIT THE ZOO, EVEN FROM THE -- WALKING IN
09:12:30AM WHERE THE PEOPLE GREET YOU AT FIRST.
09:12:32AM THEY ARE ALL FIRST CLASS.
09:12:33AM THEY SMILE AND SAY GOOD MORNING, GOOD AFTERNOON AND GOOD
09:12:37AM EVENING AND TREAT YOU WITH DIGNITY AND HONOR.
09:12:39AM WITHOUT THAT, THE ZOO COULDN'T HAVE DONE WHAT IT DID AND I
09:12:43AM AM SURE YOU WILL SPEAK ABOUT IT.
09:12:45AM AND I AM NOT TRYING TO STEAL YOUR THUNDER OR ANYONE'S
09:12:49AM THUNDER.
09:12:49AM ALL OF YOUR EMPLOYEES, EVERYBODY WHO VISITS THERE HAVE SET
09:12:54AM RECORDS.
09:12:54AM I WILL LET YOU TALK OF THE RECORDS LATER ON.
09:12:56AM I AM NOT GOING TO GO THERE.
09:12:58AM AN AMAZING THING AND I HOPE THAT THE ZOO CONTINUES TO GROW.
09:13:01AM WHEN I STARTED IN COUNCIL BACK IN THE '70s.
09:13:04AM NOT THAT I STAYED ALL THE WAY '70s TO HERE.
09:13:07AM LET ME CLARIFY THAT.
09:13:09AM PEOPLE WHO COME TO VACATION -- NEVER A DESTINATION POINT.
09:13:14AM WE MADE A DESTINATION BECAUSE OF THE AQUARIUM, THE ZOO
09:13:18AM AND STRAZ.
09:13:19AM NOTHING IN DOWNTOWN BUT STRAZ AND THE JAIL WHEN I STARTED.
09:13:24AM WHAT YOU HAVE DONE YOU NEED TO BE COMMENDED TO.
09:13:28AM THE GRATITUDE FROM PEOPLE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND ALL OVER
09:13:30AM THE WORLD REALLY IS AMAZING THING OFF THIS ON IT AND
09:13:34AM MADE THE TAMPA CITIZENS MUCH HAPPIER, MUCH ENTHUSED, MUCH
09:13:38AM INVOLVED IN THE CLIMATE OF THE WORLD AND YOU GUYS ARE TO BE
09:13:41AM RECOGNIZED FOR A LOT MORE THAN THIS.
09:13:43AM BUT I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU FOR
09:13:47AM DOING WHAT YOU HAVE DONE, WHAT YOU WILL CONTINUE TO DO AND
09:13:49AM WHAT YOU WILL DO.
09:13:50AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:13:51AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
09:13:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:13:53AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR
09:13:56AM LEADERSHIP AND ALL THE COMPANIES AND PEOPLE WHO SPONSOR THE
09:13:59AM ZOO.
09:13:59AM YOU KNOW, WHEN -- WHEN THIS ZOO WAS DESIGNED I DON'T KNOW
09:14:03AM HOW MANY YEARS AGO, IT WAS A VERY INNOVATIVE DESIGN.
09:14:06AM SIMILAR TO THE AIRPORT.
09:14:08AM SOMETHING THAT MAKES PEOPLE IN TAMPA PROUD AND GIVES US A
09:14:11AM GREAT NAME ALL OVER THE WORLD.
09:14:13AM PEOPLE WHEN THEY TALK OF GREAT ZOOS AND GREAT FACILITIES,
09:14:16AM THEY TALK ABOUT IT.
09:14:17AM SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO.
09:14:18AM AND THANK YOU FOR -- JOHN IF YOU ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT
09:14:22AM EXPANSION PLANS TODAY, BUT THANK YOU FOR INNOVATING AND
09:14:26AM EVOLVING BECAUSE MORE OF THE STORY TO TELL.
09:14:29AM AND I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE SOME EXCITING PLANS.
09:14:32AM THANK YOU.
09:14:32AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
09:14:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
09:14:35AM PLEASE.
09:14:36AM I HEARD A -- A FIGURE OR STATEMENT.
09:14:40AM BESIDES THE ATTRACTIONS, WHICH IS DISNEY, BUSCH GARDENS AND
09:14:45AM LEGO LAND, ZOO TAMPA IS THE NUMBER ONE DESTINATION,
09:14:51AM ATTRACTION IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
09:14:52AM DID I HEAR THAT CORRECTLY AT SOME POINT?
09:14:55AM >> YES, SIR, THE NUMBER ONE CULTURAL INSTITUTION IN THE
09:14:58AM STATE OF FLORIDA.
09:14:58AM ZOOS, AQUORUMS AND SO FORTH.
09:15:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AMAZING RIGHT IN OUR CITY.
09:15:06AM I REMEMBER BACK IN THE '70s WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL GOING
09:15:10AM TO ZOO TAMPA AND THE EXPANSION AND THE GROWTH WITH THE BIG
09:15:12AM CAT EXHIBIT YOU GUYS HAVE HAD.
09:15:14AM I HEAR THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE PLANNED LIKE RESCUES
09:15:17AM AND HOSPITALS.
09:15:18AM I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE OUTCOME OF THAT.
09:15:20AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BRINGING YOUR STAFF AND EVERYONE BACK
09:15:23AM IN THE BACK THERE.
09:15:24AM AND THESE WONDERFUL ANIMALS FOR US TO SEE.
09:15:27AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:15:27AM >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
09:15:29AM WE -- WE ARE HERE TODAY TO JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU A SNAPSHOT
09:15:35AM OF WHERE WE ARE AS FAR AS THE ZOO IS CONCERNED AND WE ARE
09:15:39AM GOING.
09:15:39AM WE ALSO WILL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON SOME OF THE WORK WE HAVE
09:15:43AM DONE WITH JOHN BENNETT AND NICOLE TRAVIS AND HER STAFF IN
09:15:47AM ORDER TO BE ABLE TO UPDATE A LEASE THAT HAS BEEN OUTDATED
09:15:51AM FOR YEARS.
09:15:52AM AND WE FINALLY, I THINK, MADE PROGRESS TO THE POINT WHERE
09:15:56AM YOU WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT PRESENTED TO YOU AND HOPEFULLY
09:15:59AM APPROVED GOING FORWARD AND TAKING CARE OF SOME ITEMS.
09:16:01AM SO WE WILL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL IN A MINUTE.
09:16:05AM FIRST OF ALL, LET ME JUST TALK ABOUT WHO WE ARE.
09:16:07AM AND MAYBE MORE IMPORTANTLY THAN WHO WE ARE, WHY WE ARE.
09:16:10AM NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
09:16:12AM OUR VISION.
09:16:17AM EVERYONE WE TOUCH IS MOTIVATED TO JOIN US IN TAKING ACTION
09:16:20AM TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE WILDLIFE.
09:16:23AM YOU KNOW, YOU SIT DOWN IN MEETINGS AND SPEND FIVE HOURS
09:16:26AM COMING UP WITH EVERY WORD AND COMMA AND SO FORTH IN A
09:16:29AM VISION.
09:16:30AM I KIND OF BELIEVE I WANT TO SHOW YOU WHAT THIS MEANS RATHER
09:16:33AM THAN TELL YOU WHAT IT MEANS.
09:16:35AM WITH THAT, YOU CAN BE PATIENT WITH A MINUTE AND A HALF, WE
09:16:38AM HAVE A VIDEO TO SHOW YOU.
09:16:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DO WE HAVE SOUND?
09:16:59AM >> DO WE HAVE SOUND?
09:17:00AM >> GET TO WHERE THEY ARE GOING AND PROTECT ONE ANOTHER.
09:17:04AM IN THE HUMAN WORLD, TOGETHER IS HOW WE BIND ONE GENERATION
09:17:08AM TO THE NEXT.
09:17:09AM IT IS HOW WE LEARN, HOW WE PLAY, AND HOW WE CREATE THE
09:17:13AM MEMORIES THAT MAKE US A FAMILY.
09:17:16AM TOGETHER IS AT THE HEART OF EVERYTHING WE DO AT ZOO TAMPA.
09:17:20AM WE BRING ANIMALS FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD TOGETHER SO WE
09:17:24AM CAN PROTECT THEM, CARE FOR THEM, AND ENSURING THEIR SURVIVAL
09:17:29AM FOR YEARS TO COME, BUT WE ALSO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER SO THEY
09:17:33AM CAN SEE THESE AMAZING ANIMALS UP CLOSE AND LEARN MORE ABOUT
09:17:36AM OUR UNIQUE RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM HERE IN ENVIRONMENTS
09:17:42AM CAREFULLY CREATED TO MEET THE NEEDS OF EACH SPECIES.
09:17:45AM THE FURRY ALONGSIDE THE FEATHERED.
09:17:51AM THE SAVAGE BESIDE THE GENTLE.
09:17:54AM AND LARGEST CREATURES IN THE WORLD NEVER CEASE TO AMAZE THE
09:18:00AM SMALLEST.
09:18:01AM DIFFERENT ANIMALS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD TOGETHER.
09:18:04AM DIFFERENT PEOPLE FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE TOGETHER.
09:18:07AM CONNECTING WITH EACH OTHER TO EACH OTHER IN THE WAY THAT
09:18:10AM NATURE ALWAYS INTENDED.
09:18:11AM TOGETHER.
09:18:12AM PLAN YOUR VISIT TO ZOO TAMPA TODAY AND DISCOVER OUR WORLD
09:18:17AM TOGETHER.
09:18:18AM >> I THINK THAT GIVES A LITTLE BETTER IDEA THAN A BUNCH OF
09:18:24AM WORDS ON A PAGE.
09:18:25AM WE HAVE THE PRIVILEGE AND WORKING IN THAT ENVIRONMENT EVERY
09:18:29AM DAY AND WELCOMING GUESTS EVERY SINGLE DAY AND THE QUALITY OF
09:18:33AM THE PRESENTATION NEEDS TO BE THE SAME AT VERY HIGH LEVEL
09:18:36AM EVERY SINGLE DAY.
09:18:37AM WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO PROGRESS.
09:18:40AM AND WHEN I ARRIVED A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO ABOUT SEVEN YEARS
09:18:44AM AGO, THE ZOO HAD ABOUT 700,000 PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE AND
09:18:49AM ABOUT $15 MILLION IN OPERATING REVENUE.
09:18:51AM NOW AT $1.2 MILLION AND $45 MILLION IN OPERATING REVENUE.
09:18:55AM SO WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS.
09:18:57AM BUT WE FEEL WE CAN DO A LOT MORE.
09:18:59AM AND LET'S FIRST START WITH WHERE WE ARE SO YOU CAN GET AN
09:19:02AM IDEA OF THE PROGRESS WE HAVE MADE AND WE WILL TALK A LITTLE
09:19:06AM BIT ABOUT WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO GO GOING FORWARD.
09:19:09AM KAREN JUBRAIL IS OUR CFO AND WILL TAKE YOU THROUGH THE NEXT
09:19:17AM STAGE OF THE PRESENTATION.
09:19:18AM >> GOOD MORNING, KAREN JUBRAIL AND THE CEO OF ZOO TAMPA AND I
09:19:27AM WILL BRIEFLY TAKE YOU THROUGH KEY ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND
09:19:29AM PERFORMANCE TRENDS.
09:19:30AM AS WAS ALREADY MENTIONED, WE HAD ANOTHER RECORD YEAR IN
09:19:33AM ATTENDANCE AND THE MOST HIGHLY ATTENDED CULTURAL
09:19:38AM INSTITUTION.
09:19:38AM IN ADDITION, WE CONTINUE TO PROVIDE MANATEE CARE LEADERSHIP
09:19:42AM DURING AN UNPRECEDENTED YEAR.
09:19:43AM WE WERE VERY HONORED TO BE NAMED TAMPA'S 2022 EMPLOYER OF
09:19:49AM THE YEAR BY THE MAYOR'S ALLIANCE OF PERSONS WITH
09:19:52AM DISABILITIES.
09:19:52AM NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
09:19:55AM AND I HOPE THAT ALL OF YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE US ON
09:20:00AM "SECRETS OF THE ZOO TAMPA."
09:20:02AM THIS IS A HIGHLY RATED SERIES ON NAT GEO WILD AND DISNEY
09:20:11AM PLUS.
09:20:11AM WE PREMIERED IN 2020, AND WE ARE AIRING OUR FOURTH SEASON
09:20:14AM NOW AND A TOTAL OF 36 EPISODES.
09:20:17AM WE DO REACH A GLOBAL AUDIENCE.
09:20:21AM AND NOT ONLY INCREASES THE AWARENESS OF THE ZOO'S MISSION
09:20:26AM BUT ALSO BROUGHT A DIVERSIFIED AUDIENCE BASE TO THE ZOO
09:20:31AM WHICH IS ALSO A BOON TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:20:33AM THIS ATTENDANCE GRAPH IS BASICALLY A HIGH LEVEL OR BIG
09:20:38AM PICTURE SNAPSHOT OF THE ATTENDANCE TREND, HISTORICALLY OR
09:20:44AM OUR PROJECTED ATTENDANCE TRENDS THROUGH 2026.
09:20:47AM WHAT THIS SHOWS IS THAT BACK IN FISCAL YEAR '15, WE WERE
09:20:52AM AROUND 700,000 GUESTS AND THROUGH FISCAL YEAR '22, WE HAVE
09:20:56AM GROWN TO ALMOST $1.2 MILLION.
09:20:59AM AND WE ARE WERE JECTED TO GROW TO $1.3 MILLION IN FISCAL
09:21:05AM YEAR '26.
09:21:06AM AND THAT IS JUST IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.
09:21:09AM OUR OPERATING REVENUE TREND SHOW BACK IN FISCAL YEAR '15, WE
09:21:13AM WERE AT AROUND $15 MILLION IN REVENUE.
09:21:16AM WE HAVE GROWN TO ALMOST $45 MILLION.
09:21:18AM AND WE PROJECT TO GROW TO AROUND $54 MILLION BY 2026.
09:21:23AM AND THIS IS A COMPOUND ANNUAL GROWTH RATE OF 11.6%.
09:21:28AM SO I TOLD YOU I WOULD BE BRIEF, SO THAT IS WHAT I HAVE.
09:21:32AM I WOULD LOVE TO TURN IT OVER TO SCOTT ROSE, OUR COO.
09:21:36AM THANK YOU.
09:21:37AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:21:41AM I AM SCOTT ROSE.
09:21:42AM I AM CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER FOR ZOO TAMPA.
09:21:45AM AS JOE MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH CITY
09:21:49AM STAFF TO REVISE THE ZOO LEASE THAT WE HAVE WITH THE CITY.
09:21:52AM FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE STAFF FOR
09:21:56AM COLLABORATING WITH US TO GET US -- WE ARE JUST AT ABOUT THE
09:21:59AM FINISH LINE HERE AND WE WILL HAVE THAT TO YOU VERY SOON FOR
09:22:02AM YOUR REVIEW AND ASK FOR THE APPROVAL OF IT.
09:22:05AM AS YOU MAY KNOW, THE ORIGINAL LEASE DATES BACK TO THE 1980s.
09:22:10AM THE LAST TIME IT WAS REVISED WAS IN 2011.
09:22:14AM IT WAS TIME FOR A REVISION FOR THAT.
09:22:16AM FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE DELETED OUTDATED PROVISIONS AND
09:22:22AM UPDATED AND SIMPLIFIED THE LANGUAGE THAT IS IN THE LEASE TO
09:22:25AM MORE CONCISELY SUMMARIZE THE LEASE'S HISTORY AND ELIMINATE
09:22:30AM PROVISIONS THAT NO LONGER APPLY LIKE LANGUAGE ON
09:22:33AM CONSTRUCTION OF THE ORIGINAL ZOO FACILITY.
09:22:36AM IT ALSO ELIMINATES AMBIGUITY REGARDING OWNERSHIP OF ANIMALS.
09:22:40AM THE ORIGINAL LEASE INCLUDED AN ANIMAL INVENTORY OF ANIMALS
09:22:44AM INITIALLY PROVIDED TO THE ZOO.
09:22:46AM THROUGH THE YEARS THAT OWNERSHIP HAS TRANSITIONED TO THE
09:22:48AM ZOO.
09:22:49AM AND NOW ALL OF THE ANIMALS AS CLEARLY STATED IN THE LEASE,
09:22:53AM ALL THE ANIMALS ARE UNDER THE OWNERSHIP OF THE ZOO AND ONLY
09:22:56AM THE ZOO IS LICENSED TO HOLD AND CARE FOR THESE ANIMALS.
09:22:59AM UPDATES INSURANCE PROVISIONS.
09:23:01AM THE CITY HAS IMPROVED ITS INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS OVER THE
09:23:05AM YEARS AND THIS UPDATE WILL INCORPORATE THOSE AND BRING THOSE
09:23:08AM STANDARDS TO TODAY'S STANDARDS OF THE NEW REQUIREMENTS.
09:23:11AM ALSO, IT INCLUDES ADDING A PARCEL OF LAND TO THE LEASE.
09:23:16AM THIS IS A -- THE PARCEL OF LAND WHERE THE BAND SHELL IS
09:23:21AM CURRENTLY SITTING.
09:23:22AM A FOUR-ACRE PARCEL THAT RUNS FROM HAMILTON CREEK SOUTH TO
09:23:25AM THE CORNER OF SLIGH AVENUE AND N. BOULEVARD.
09:23:28AM THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR US BECAUSE IT WILL ALLOW US TO THEN DO
09:23:33AM SOME MUCH-NEEDED RENOVATIONS AND IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR PARKING
09:23:36AM LOT.
09:23:36AM WHICH REALLY ADDRESSES A NUMBER OF ISSUES.
09:23:41AM ONE ISSUE IT ADDRESSES IS SAFETY.
09:23:43AM WE HAVE A NUMBER OF SAFETY INITIATIVES PART OF THIS PARKING
09:23:45AM LOT IMPROVEMENT INCLUDING THE REMOVAL OF THE BAND SHELL.
09:23:48AM THE BAND SHELL IS IN DISREPAIR.
09:23:50AM IT'S NONOPERATIONAL.
09:23:54AM IT HAVEN'T BEEN USED IN ABOUT EIGHT YEARS.
09:23:56AM AND PROVIDES US WITH A REAL SAFETY ISSUE THAT WE HAVE THERE.
09:24:00AM IT IS THE SITE OF WHERE A LOT OF THE SCHOOL KIDS HAVE THEIR
09:24:04AM LUNCHES AND FAMILIES VISITING THE ZOO HAVE THEIR LUNCHES.
09:24:06AM AND ALSO, WE PLAN TO REMOVE THAT.
09:24:09AM AND REBUILD THAT WHOLE PICNIC AREA AROUND THERE.
09:24:13AM REAL NICE FACILITY FOR SCHOOL KIDS AND FAMILIES VISITING THE
09:24:17AM SCHOOL.
09:24:17AM OTHER SAFETY ISSUES IT WILL ADDRESS IS VEHICLE TRAFFIC
09:24:20AM THROUGH THE PARKING LOT, PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, SAFETY
09:24:25AM RAILINGS, IMPROVED SIDEWALKS AND IMPROVED CROSSWALKS.
09:24:28AM REALLY JUST TO ADDRESS AND MAKE IT A SAFER AND MUCH MORE
09:24:31AM ENJOYABLE EXPERIENCE IN PARKING.
09:24:33AM AND THE OTHER THING IT ALLOWS US TO DO IS EXPAND PARKING
09:24:38AM INTO THAT PARCEL.
09:24:38AM THERE IS A SMALL PARKING LOT THERE NOW.
09:24:40AM WE INTEND TO EXPANDS THAT AND CONNECT IT TO THE MAIN LOT.
09:24:44AM PARKING IS A REAL CHALLENGE.
09:24:46AM WE RUN OUT OF PARKING ON MANY DAYS OF THE YEAR AS KAREN
09:24:49AM INDICATED.
09:24:50AM OUR ATTENDANCE HAS GROWN SIGNIFICANTLY.
09:24:54AM WE ARE LOOKING FOR A NUMBER OF WAYS TO IMPROVE THE PARKING
09:24:57AM CAPACITY FOR OUR -- FOR OUR GUESTS.
09:24:59AM ONCE WE FINISH ALL OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, WE WILL BE
09:25:02AM PARTNERING WITH THE CITY TO MANAGE THE PARKING LOT AND ADD
09:25:06AM THE PARK MOBILE SYSTEM WHICH THE CITY HAS IN ALL THE PARKING
09:25:11AM AREAS HERE DOWNTOWN AND OTHER AREAS.
09:25:13AM SO WE WILL BE -- PARTNERING WITH THE CITY ON THAT.
09:25:19AM A REVENUE SHARE MODEL AND PROJECTIONS WILL DELIVER A REVENUE
09:25:24AM STREAM TO THE CITY OF APPROXIMATELY $200,000 PER YEAR, WHICH
09:25:29AM WILL CONTINUE TO GROW AS OUR ATTENDANCE GROWS.
09:25:32AM SO ONCE AGAIN, WE ARE FINALIZING THE LANGUAGE IN THE LEASE.
09:25:36AM AND WE WILL BE DELIVERING IT TO YOU FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL
09:25:40AM VERY SOON.
09:25:40AM HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS.
09:25:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:25:46AM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.
09:25:48AM AND THANKS -- THIS IS THE FIRST TIME HEARING ABOUT ALL THE
09:25:52AM DETAILS OF IT.
09:25:52AM THANKS TO THE ADMINISTRATION FOR BEING OPEN TO CHANGING
09:25:55AM THIS.
09:25:56AM YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ISSUES IS THAT -- SORRY TO MIX
09:26:02AM METAPHORS BUT THE ANIMALS HAVE BEEN A POLITICAL FOOTBALL
09:26:05AM OVER THE 10 TO 20 YEARS.
09:26:07AM THE LAST ADMINISTRATION USED THAT AS LEVERAGE AGAINST THE
09:26:11AM ZOO.
09:26:11AM I AM GLAD THIS ADMINISTRATION IS OPEN TO FIXING THAT.
09:26:14AM ABSURD REQUIREMENT THAT THE CITY WOULD OWN ANIMALS THAT WERE
09:26:18AM BORN AT THE ZOO.
09:26:18AM SO THANK YOU TO ANYONE FOR WORKING ON THIS.
09:26:22AM I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THIS.
09:26:23AM THE ZOO IS IMPORTANT.
09:26:25AM WE NEED ENLIGHTENED LEADERS TO THINK AHEAD.
09:26:29AM I DIDN'T SAY THIS BEFORE, MY KIDS GREW UP GOING TO THE ZOO
09:26:32AM BACK WHEN I WAS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA IN 1985 OR '86.
09:26:36AM I FILMED MY MOVIE FOR A CLASS PROJECT AT THE ZOO.
09:26:40AM I THINK IT WAS PASSAGE TO INDIA AND I HAD TO SHOOT ZOO
09:26:46AM ANIMALS AND PULL IT TOGETHER.
09:26:48AM THE ZOO HAS BEEN A PART OF MY LIFE FOR A LONG TIME AND I LOOK
09:26:51AM FORWARD TO HAVE MY GRANDKIDS AND OTHERS GO THERE TO
09:26:54AM PARTICIPATE.
09:26:55AM THANK YOU.
09:26:56AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
09:26:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:26:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: REAL QUICK, WE LOVE THE ZOO EVER SINCE I
09:27:03AM WAS A KID.
09:27:03AM I TAKE MY STEPDAUGHTER THERE.
09:27:05AM MY OLDEST STEPDAUGHTER.
09:27:06AM SHE WILL GO DAY AFTER DAY.
09:27:08AM SOME WEEKS IF WE CAN, MY WIFE WILL TAKE HER MONDAY THROUGH
09:27:12AM FRIDAY.
09:27:12AM AND SHE LOVES THE ANIMALS.
09:27:14AM SHE LOVES WHAT -- YOU WHAT IT IS.
09:27:16AM YOU KNOW, FOR KIDS TO ENJOY.
09:27:18AM BUT ALSO AS -- YOU KNOW, AS TAMPA GROWS AND YOU HAVE TOUCHED
09:27:23AM UPON -- OR IT HAS BEEN TOUCHED UPON BEFORE THE ATTENDANCE,
09:27:26AM THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO COME HERE.
09:27:28AM I THINK WE BEAT OUT -- ARE WE THE LARGEST IN THE STATE OF
09:27:31AM FLORIDA BY ATTENDANCE?
09:27:33AM >> LARGEST CULTURAL FACILITY, YES.
09:27:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE INTEREST IS THERE.
09:27:38AM I THINK THE INVESTMENT IS WORTHY.
09:27:40AM I KNOW THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EXPANSION AND I HAVE SEEN VIDEO
09:27:42AM ON THE PROJECTS AND WHAT NOT, BUT IT IS -- IT IS A VERY
09:27:46AM SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY ASSET AND EXPANDING UPON THAT WILL
09:27:49AM ONLY BENEFIT THIS COMMUNITY.
09:27:50AM SO I AM HAPPY TO SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, THE ZOO AND ITS PLANS
09:27:55AM MOVING FORWARD IN WHATEVER WE CAN DO.
09:27:57AM THANK YOU.
09:27:57AM >> WE APPRECIATE THAT SUPPORT.
09:28:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
09:28:01AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:28:02AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
09:28:04AM AND GROWTH HAS A BENEFIT OF ANY BUSINESS THAT SATISFIED WITH
09:28:07AM THE CONSTANT SAME ATTENDANCE IS IN ESSENCE DYING.
09:28:11AM BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS GOING TO TAKE THE OTHER SHARE.
09:28:14AM SO WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IS AMAZING, ALL OF YOU.
09:28:17AM AND BESIDES THAT, IF ANYONE LISTENING IS HAVING A BAD DAY
09:28:21AM AND YOU FEEL LIKE YOU DON'T FEEL SO GOOD.
09:28:23AM IF YOU CAN FIND A PARKING SPOT, GO VISIT THE ZOO.
09:28:27AM >> WE ARE WORKING ON THAT.
09:28:30AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM TRYING TO GET TO WHERE I AM GOING.
09:28:32AM IF YOU FEEL THAT WAY, FIND A PARKING SPOT, PARK, DON'T EVEN
09:28:37AM GO IN.
09:28:37AM STAND IN THE EXIT DOOR AND WHEN YOU SEE THE KIDS SMILING AND
09:28:40AM HOW THEY FEEL, YOUR DAY BECOMES A BETTER DAY, BECAUSE YOU
09:28:43AM SEE ALL THIS GLORY AND ALL THIS FEELINGS OF WHAT THEY HAVE
09:28:47AM SEEN AND HEARD ABOUT AND MAYBE SEEN IT ON TELEVISION.
09:28:49AM BUT WHEN THEY GET THERE AND THEY ACTUALLY SEE THE ANIMALS,
09:28:53AM THEY ARE IN A DIFFERENT WORLD.
09:28:56AM AND WHEN THEY COME OUT, YOU WILL BE IN A DIFFERENT WORLD AND
09:29:01AM THE EXPRESSION OF FEELING NOT TOO WELL BECOMES POSITIVE WHEN
09:29:04AM YOU SEE THAT.
09:29:05AM THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
09:29:07AM >> THANK YOU.
09:29:07AM EXCITING EXPANSION PLANS.
09:29:09AM AND TURN IT BACK OVER TO JOE TO TELL YOU ALL ABOUT IT.
09:29:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: EXCUSE ME, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:29:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE WORK -- ONE
09:29:17AM THING I HAVEN'T HEARD MENTIONED IS THE WORK WITH RESCUE.
09:29:20AM ESPECIALLY MANATEES.
09:29:27AM THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS A STRUGGLE TO KEEP MANATEES ALIVE.
09:29:30AM I WENT TO VISIT THE ZOO, YOU HAD JUST RELEASED TWO MANATEES
09:29:34AM WHO CAN FEND FOR THEMSELVES AND YOU BROUGHT ANOTHER ONE IN.
09:29:37AM AND I AM GLAD TO HEAR YOU WILL BE DOING THE EXPANSION FOR
09:29:40AM RESCUE AND REHABILITATION AS WELL.
09:29:42AM >> YES.
09:29:42AM A BIG PART OF WHAT WE DO.
09:29:44AM MAJOR FOCUS FOR US.
09:29:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I HAVE SEEN SOME AMAZING SHOWS AT THAT BAND
09:29:50AM SHELL OVER THE YEARS, EVERYTHING FROM A PUNK BAND TO
09:29:55AM EVERYBODY'S CHILDHOOD AND MELANIE WHO DID THE BRAND-NEW
09:30:05AM ROLLER SKATES.
09:30:05AM EIGHT YEARS.
09:30:06AM I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING IN EIGHT YEARS.
09:30:08AM MAYBE TIME FOR A CHANGE.
09:30:09AM CHIEF BENNETT, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO ADD?
09:30:13AM >>JOHN BENNETT: I WILL WAIT UNTIL THEY ARE DONE.
09:30:15AM >> THANK YOU.
09:30:16AM THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT WE SET A GOAL FOR OURSELVES.
09:30:20AM WE WORKED HARD AT IT.
09:30:21AM WE PUT TOGETHER A BUSINESS PLAN AND STRATEGIC PLAN AND PUT
09:30:25AM TOGETHER A MASTER PLAN.
09:30:26AM WE ACHIEVED OUR VISION, IF YOU WILL, FOR THE FIRST FEW YEARS
09:30:29AM THAT THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION AT THE ZOO HAS BEEN THERE,
09:30:32AM BUT WE DO HAVE A BIGGER VISION.
09:30:35AM SO SOME OF YOU HAVE SEEN THIS AND SOME OF -- WHEN WE TALK OF
09:30:39AM A BIGGER VISION, NOT JUST SIMPLY ABOUT THE ZOO ITSELF, IT IS
09:30:44AM ABOUT MANATEE RESCUE.
09:30:47AM WE ARE ADDING TWO NEW POOLS TO INCREASE OUR CAPACITY FOR
09:30:51AM MORE MANATEE PATIENTS.
09:30:52AM WE ARE ADDING MORE OUTREACH VEHICLES SO WE CAN GO IN THE
09:30:55AM FIELD AND TAKE CARE OF THESE MANATEES.
09:30:57AM NOT JUST MANATEES, BUT FLORIDA PANTHERS.
09:31:01AM ANY NATIVE FLORIDA WILDLIFE WE CAN RESCUE.
09:31:04AM OUR BRAND ESSENCE, WE CALL IT "UNFORGETTABLE NATURAL
09:31:09AM CONNECTIONS."
09:31:10AM YOU SAW THE UNFORGETTABLE NATURAL CONNECTIONS WITH WHAT
09:31:15AM RONNIE AND HER TEAM DO EVERY DAY.
09:31:17AM UNFORGETTABLE NATURAL CONNECTIONS OF THE ANIMAL STAFF AND
09:31:22AM MANATEES AS THEY TRY TO CARE FOR THEM.
09:31:24AM ANIMAL CONNECTION IS A LITTLE GIRL FEEDING THE GIRAFFE FOR
09:31:27AM THE FIRST TIME AND MAKING A LIFE-LONG MEMORY THEY WILL NEVER
09:31:30AM FORGET.
09:31:31AM ANOTHER UNFORGETTABLE NATURAL CONNECTION IS MOM WATCHING HER
09:31:35AM LITTLE GIRL DOING THAT AND A MEMORY THEY WON'T FORGET.
09:31:38AM WE KNOW PERFECTLY WELL THAT OUR GOAL HERE IS THAT WE NEED TO
09:31:42AM CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THOSE UNFORGETTABLE NATURAL CONNECTIONS
09:31:46AM AND WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF FLORIDA WILDLIFE AS BEST WE CAN
09:31:50AM AND INSPIRE OTHERS TO TAKE ACTION.
09:31:52AM GOING FORWARD, WE HAVE -- WE WANT TO SERVE THE NEEDS OF THE
09:31:56AM TAMPA COMMUNITY I SAID THAT LINE FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO AT A
09:32:04AM SOCIAL FUNCTION.
09:32:05AM EVERY CITY DESERVE AS GREAT ZOO.
09:32:07AM AND WE ARE A GREAT ZOO AND WE CAN BE GREATER.
09:32:10AM TAMPA IS A GREAT CITY AND CAN BE GREATER.
09:32:13AM AND WE WANT TO SHARE OUR VISION FOR THE FUTURE.
09:32:18AM >> ZOO TAMPA, AN ICONIC ZOOLOGICAL PARK WITH A LEGACY OF
09:32:27AM HIGHER STANDARDS.
09:32:29AM IN ENTERTAINMENT, EDUCATION, CONSERVATION AND MOST
09:32:32AM IMPORTANTLY, IN MAKING VITAL CONNECTIONS BETWEEN GUESTS AND
09:32:36AM THE NATURAL WORLD.
09:32:37AM NOW AS OUR RESILIENT TAMPA BAY AREA TRANSFORMS, SO DOES ZOO
09:32:44AM TAMPA.
09:32:44AM A VISIONARY PLAN THAT BEGAN WITH THE TRANSFORMATION OF THE
09:32:47AM FLORIDA REALM.
09:32:48AM THE OPENING OF ROARING SPRINGS.
09:32:51AM AND NOW A TOTALLY REIMAGINED FLORIDA WILDS.
09:32:54AM NOWHERE IS THE ZOO'S CONSERVATION MISSION MORE DEEPLY
09:32:58AM EXPRESSED THAN HERE, A SANCTUARY FOR FLORIDA WILDLIFE
09:33:02AM INCLUDING GATORS, BLACK BEARS, AND THE RULER OF THE REALM,
09:33:07AM THE FLORIDA PANTHER.
09:33:08AM FRIENDS AND FAMILIES WILL EXPERIENCE UP-CLOSE MOMENTS AS
09:33:12AM PANTHERS ROAM ACROSS AN EXPANDED HABITAT WITH UNFORGETTABLE
09:33:19AM FACE-TO-FACE ENCOUNTERS CREATING A BOND WITH THE RARE AND
09:33:25AM ENDANGERED SPECIES.
09:33:26AM A STORY OF CONNECTION THAT CONTINUES WITH, MANATEE RESCUE
09:33:30AM CENTER.
09:33:30AM THE JURY BEGINS WITH A NEW MANATEE OVERLOOK THAT OFFERS A
09:33:34AM BIRDS-EYE VIEW OF THESE MAJESTIC SEA MAMMALS AND THE
09:33:38AM OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN WHAT THREATENS THEIR SURVIVAL, FROM THE
09:33:41AM DEDICATED TEAM WHO CARE FOR AND RETURN INJURED, SICK, AND
09:33:45AM ORPHANED MANATEES BACK TO FLORIDA WATERS.
09:33:48AM ALREADY THE LARGEST NONPROFIT MANATEE CRITICAL CARE CENTER
09:33:53AM IN THE WORLD, THE NEW MANATEE RESCUE CENTER WILL EXPAND THE
09:33:56AM ZOO'S ACUTE CARE CAPACITY WITH THE ADDITION OF A NURSERY
09:34:00AM POOL FOR THE MOST DIRE AND VULNERABLE PATIENTS.
09:34:03AM THE ADVENTURE CONDITIONS AS GUESTS STEP INTO A WONDROUS
09:34:08AM WORLD OF AQUATIC MARINE LIFE FROM SEEING MANATEES GRACIOUSLY
09:34:14AM SWIMMING UNDER WATER TO ANSWER COUNT WE ARE STINGRAYS AND
09:34:19AM OTTERS UP CLOSE IN THEIR OWN RIVER BANK OASIS.
09:34:22AM AN UNFORGETTABLE JOURNEY OF DISCOVERY WITH THE GOAL OF
09:34:26AM INSPIRING GUESTS TO HELP PRESERVE FLORIDA'S OCEANS, COASTAL
09:34:29AM ENVIRONMENTS AND SEA LIFE FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.
09:34:35AM FROM HERE THE TRANSFORMATION CONTINUES INTO SOUTH AMERICA.
09:34:38AM IT IS A NEW REALM WITH AN EXPANSION THAT WILL BRING THE ZOO
09:34:42AM TO THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY RIVER.
09:34:44AM DELIVERING AN ENTIRELY NEW WAY OF CONNECTING WITH WILDLIFE.
09:34:51AM CULTURAL ROOTS.
09:34:54AM A CENTURY-LONG HERITAGE THAT COMES TO LIFE AS GUESTS ARE
09:34:58AM TRANSPORTED THROUGH THE SIGHTS ARE, AROMAS, TASTES AND FEEL
09:35:03AM OF THE CONTINENT.
09:35:04AM VISITORS WILL TAKE IN MEMORABLE ENCOUNTERS WITH SEA LIONS,
09:35:10AM GIANT RIVER OTTERS, JAGUARS, AND A WIDE RANGE OF OVER
09:35:15AM INCREDIBLE SOUTH AMERICAN SPECIES CULMINATED WITH A DINING
09:35:21AM EXPERIENCE WITH CUISINES AND A MARGARITA OR A MOJITO.
09:35:26AM ONLY THING TO TOP THE EXPERIENCE IS A RIVAL FROM THE RIVER.
09:35:31AM A NEW LEVEL OF ENJOYMENT BUT ONE THAT NEVER LOSES SITE OF
09:35:34AM THE CONSERVATION MISSION AND CRITICAL ROLE IN INSPIRING
09:35:38AM ACTION TO HELP PROTECT WILDLIFE AND WILD PLACES.
09:35:41AM THAT COMMITMENT TO CONSERVATION THAT TAKES US FURTHER INTO
09:35:45AM THE FUTURE.
09:35:46AM TO THE EXPANDED AFRICA REALM, BOLDLY REIMAGINED HOME FOR
09:35:52AM SOME OF THE WORLD'S MOST MAJESTIC SPECIES.
09:35:55AM HERE GUESTS ENCOUNTER GIRAFFES, ELEPHANTS, ZEBRAS, RHINOS,
09:36:01AM ALL TOGETHER IN AN EXPANDED MULTISPECIES HABITAT THAT
09:36:05AM ROTATES DAILY AND A NEW EXPERIENCE WITH EVERY VISIT.
09:36:08AM MADE EVEN MORE MEMORABLE WITH A CABANA RENTAL AT THE EDGE OF
09:36:13AM THE SAVANNAH.
09:36:16AM A HOME BASE FOR THE DAY AND CAMPERS SLEEP WITHIN A LION'S
09:36:21AM ROAR.
09:36:21AM THE AFRICA REALM ENSURES THAT ENDANGERED ANIMAL SHOW PIECES
09:36:28AM THRIVE AND ARE APPRECIATED AT EVERY LEVEL.
09:36:31AM THE ALL-NEW GORILLA HABITAT, RED RIVER HAWKS AT GROUND
09:36:37AM LEVEL.
09:36:37AM CLIMBING HIGHER WITH SIDE-BY-SIDE ENCOUNTERS WITH GORILLAS,
09:36:42AM AND EYE-LEVEL MOMENT WITH A VARIETY OF PRIMATES HIGH IN THE
09:36:46AM TREE TOPS.
09:36:46AM EVERY STEP IN THE TRACK LEADS TO LASTING CONNECTIONS AND AN
09:36:50AM UNDERSTANDING OF CRITICAL ONGOING CONSERVATION EFFORTS.
09:36:53AM A SIMILAR TAKEAWAY IS FOUND A SHORT STROLL AND A CONTINENT
09:36:59AM AWAY AMIDST THE SPECIES AND HABITATS OF THE TRANSFORMED
09:37:03AM ASIAN REALM.
09:37:04AM HERE OVERHEAD PATHS BLUR THE LINE BETWEEN VISITORS AND
09:37:08AM ANIMAL HABITATS.
09:37:09AM ONE NEVER KNOWS WHEN OR WHERE AN ORANGUTAN OR TIGER MIGHT
09:37:15AM SHOW UP DELIVERING AMAZING NOSE-TO-NOSE ENCOUNTERS.
09:37:18AM A WONDERFULLY REMARGE OF IMAGINED HOMES WITH IMPROVED
09:37:24AM ENVIRONMENTS BEFITTING A ZOO THAT REMAIN TRUE TO ITS HIGH
09:37:28AM STANDARDS.
09:37:29AM CONFIDENT GOING FORWARD.
09:37:32AM THE TAMPA BAY AREA CONTINUES ITS REMARKABLE JOURNEY, ZOO
09:37:36AM TAMPA FORGES A VISION BEYOND THE HORIZON.
09:37:39AM JOIN US AT ZOO TAMPA THE FUTURE IS NOW!
09:37:43AM >> BEFORE I TAKE ANY QUESTIONS, LET ME MAKE A COUPLE OF
09:37:45AM THINGS CLEAR.
09:37:46AM NUMBER ONE, THIS IS NOT IN THE LEASE.
09:37:49AM THE LEASE INCORPORATES WHAT SCOTT TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
09:37:52AM THIS IS FOR ONGOING DISCUSSION.
09:37:54AM A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED ISSUE.
09:37:56AM NUMBER TWO, A 20-YEAR PLAN THAT WILL COST $125 MILLION.
09:38:03AM NOT ASKING FOR ANY MONEY THROUGH THE CITY.
09:38:05AM WE ARE PLANNING TO FUND IT THROUGH OTHER SOURCES AND FIND A
09:38:08AM WAY TO DO THAT OVER THE 20-YEAR PERIOD.
09:38:10AM THE IMPORTANT PART HERE IS THAT WE ALSO WANT TO RESPECT THE
09:38:15AM INTEGRITY OF LOWRY PARK AND SO WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO
09:38:19AM INFRINGE UPON THE PUBLIC ACCESS -- ANY PUBLIC ACCESS OF
09:38:23AM LOWRY PARK.
09:38:24AM THOSE ARE THE DISCLAIMERS WE HAVE.
09:38:26AM HOPEFULLY YOU CAN KIND OF GET AN IDEA WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO
09:38:29AM GO IN THE FUTURE.
09:38:29AM WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THIS WITH WHY YOU ARE INVOLVEMENT.
09:38:32AM WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IT WITH WHY YOU ARE FEEDBACK.
09:38:34AM WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IT WITH COMMUNITY MEETINGS WE HAVE WITH
09:38:37AM OUR NEIGHBORS TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK.
09:38:39AM A WORK IN PROGRESS AND WE ARE EXCITED AND OPTIMISTIC WE CAN
09:38:43AM GET THIS DONE.
09:38:44AM ANY QUESTIONS?
09:38:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:38:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:38:48AM FIRST, THIS IS SPECTACULAR.
09:38:50AM A WONDERFUL IDEA AND A WONDERFUL WAY TO ACTIVATE THE
09:38:55AM RIVERFRONT.
09:38:55AM YOU SEE THAT PROPERTY IS WHERE WE HAVE OUR VEHICLES AND
09:38:57AM STORAGE.
09:38:58AM I GO THROUGH THAT AREA AND IT IS NOT VERY WELL-KEPT.
09:39:01AM YOU ALL YOU KNOW THAT BECAUSE YOU WORK RIGHT THERE.
09:39:10AM YOU ANSWERED ONE OF MY QUESTIONS HOW MUCH MONEY YOU WANT IN
09:39:14AM PUBLIC DOLLARS.
09:39:14AM YOU ARE SAYING YOU ARE FUNDING IT THROUGH A VARIETY OF
09:39:17AM SOURCES NOT PUBLIC FUNDS FROM US.
09:39:19AM >> I SHOULD BE CLEAR, CHARLIE MIRANDA GIVES US A CHECK EVERY
09:39:23AM YEAR.
09:39:23AM BESIDES THAT.
09:39:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BESIDES THAT.
09:39:26AM >> BESIDES FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WE ARE NOT ASKING
09:39:30AM ANYTHING.
09:39:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I THINK THIS IS A GREAT USE AND WAY TO
09:39:33AM ACTIVATE THE RIVERFRONT OVER THERE.
09:39:35AM THE RENDERING WERE THERE.
09:39:37AM THE ACCESS POINTS.
09:39:42AM MY QUESTION IS THIS.
09:39:43AM LOWRY PARK.
09:39:44AM THE PUBLIC ACCESS PART THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS, I HAVE
09:39:49AM REQUESTS AND COMPLAINTS REGARDING THE DOCKS AND EVERYTHING.
09:39:52AM WILL YOU BE WILLING AS PART OF THIS PROJECT TO TAKE OVER THE
09:39:56AM MAINTENANCE OR THE REHABILITATION OF THAT AREA?
09:39:59AM >> ABSOLUTELY.
09:40:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT IS ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS.
09:40:02AM THAT IS THE FIGURE I RECEIVED AND WHAT WE WOULD BUDGET FOR
09:40:05AM TO FIX THAT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THERE IS AN EMPTY AREA
09:40:09AM WHICH IS PARKING THE DIRT AREA ON THE LOT.
09:40:15AM EAST OF BOULEVARD.
09:40:20AM WILL THAT BE PARKING?
09:40:22AM >> I WILL TAKE YOU THROUGH THE OVERHEAD IMAGE, BUT A SMALL
09:40:25AM AREA THAT IS CURRENTLY PARKING THAT WILL REMAIN PARKING SO
09:40:28AM IF WE HAVE ANY EVENTS ON THAT SIDE OF THE PARK, WE ARE NOT
09:40:31AM ASKING PEOPLE TO PARK ON ONE SIDE AND TRAVEL TO THE ZOO TO
09:40:34AM GET TO THE OTHER SIDE.
09:40:36AM BECAUSE CONNECTED OVER N. BOULEVARD WITH A TREE TOP
09:40:41AM BOARDWALK.
09:40:42AM PARKING FOR EVENTS.
09:40:44AM RIVER ACCESS TO WORK WITH THE WATER TAXI FOLKS.
09:40:46AM TROY IS HERE TODAY.
09:40:48AM WE HAVE BEEN WORK WITH THEM TO TRY TO CREATE ACCESS THAT
09:40:51AM WILL BE FACILITATED BY THIS DESIGN.
09:40:57AM LET US KNOW YOU WHAT WE HAVE IN MIND.
09:41:00AM MARK.
09:41:00AM >> COUNCILMAN, WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS THE AREA IN THE
09:41:04AM PINK, SORT OF HERE TO THE RIGHT.
09:41:06AM AND THAT IS -- THE AREA WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE ACTUAL
09:41:10AM ZOO EXPANSION IS IN THE GREEN PRIMARILY SO THIS IS -- THIS
09:41:17AM WILL BE POTENTIALLY PUBLIC ACCESS WITH RESTAURANTS.
09:41:19AM WE SORT OF LIKE TO LOOK AT IT AS MAYBE RIVERWALK NORTH AND
09:41:24AM EXTENDING THE RIVERWALK UP TO THIS PART OF THE CITY.
09:41:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY, SO YOU WILL BE PROTECTING THE
09:41:31AM EXISTING PARKING FOR PUBLIC ACCESS.
09:41:33AM YOU WOULD BE TAKING OVER THE MAINTENANCE OR REHABILITATION
09:41:37AM OF THE DOCKS OR WHAT NOT I WAS JUST MENTIONING.
09:41:40AM WHAT ELSE.
09:41:41AM YOU ARE NOT ASKING FOR PUBLIC FUNDS FROM US --
09:41:45AM >> FROM THE CITY, YES.
09:41:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FROM THE CITY.
09:41:47AM BASICALLY YOU ARE ASKING FOR THE LAND, WHICH IS BEING USED
09:41:50AM FOR STORAGE OF VEHICLES AND MAINTENANCE AND ALL THAT STUFF.
09:41:54AM SO IT IS -- AS THE DEAL WOULD BE, THE LAND SWAP.
09:41:58AM YOU WOULD TAKE OVER.
09:41:59AM YOU WOULD FUND EVERYTHING.
09:42:01AM YOU WOULD TAKE OVER THE -- THE EXISTING LOWRY PARK DOCK AREA
09:42:08AM AND FIX THAT.
09:42:09AM THAT IS MILLION DOLLARS I DON'T HAVE TO CHASE IN THE BUDGET.
09:42:12AM AND THAT'S REALLY IT.
09:42:14AM I MEAN I -- I KNOW YOU NEED THE PUBLIC INPUT AND YOU ARE
09:42:17AM GOING TO BE REACHING OUT TO FOLKS, BUT I THINK THIS IS A
09:42:20AM GREAT AND WORTHY COMMUNITY BENEFIT THAT TAKES THE BURDEN OFF
09:42:27AM US IN MANY WAYS.
09:42:28AM IT MAINTAINS THE PUBLIC ACCESS POINT AND THE PARK AND
09:42:33AM IMPROVES UPON THAT AND EXPANDS UPON THAT AND NOT CAUSING THE
09:42:36AM TAXPAYERS -- MEANING THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:42:38AM YOU ARE NOT ASKING FOR MONEY FROM OUR BUDGET TO FUND THIS.
09:42:40AM MY QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED.
09:42:41AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:42:42AM >> OKAY.
09:42:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:42:45AM NO?
09:42:46AM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:42:47AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: INTERIM DIRECTOR SHAKING HER HEAD.
09:42:49AM SHE HAS COMMENTS AND SHAKING HER HEAD LIKE -- I WANT TO MAKE
09:42:55AM SURE WE ARE CLEAR ON THE DEAL.
09:42:56AM >> I THINK WE NEED TO BE CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT A DONE DEAL
09:42:59AM BY ANY MEANS.
09:43:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THIS IS NOT A ASK TODAY.
09:43:03AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: I WAS GOING TO SAY, NICOLE TRAVIS, DIRECTOR
09:43:06AM OF DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
09:43:07AM THE PRESENTATION FOR YOU TODAY WAS TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON
09:43:10AM WHERE THE ZOO IS.
09:43:11AM AND KICKING OFF THEIR RENOVATIONS AND EXPANSION.
09:43:14AM THIS -- EVERYTHING EAST OF BOULEVARD IS NOT A DONE DEAL.
09:43:18AM THINGS WE HAVE TO WORK OUT.
09:43:19AM TO SAY THAT WE ARE -- THAT IT IS ONLY A MILLION DOLLARS.
09:43:23AM WE WOULD HAVE TO RELOCATE CITY FACILITIES.
09:43:26AM WE DON'T HAVE LAND OR THE RESOURCES TO DO THAT NOW.
09:43:29AM SOMETHING WE ARE WORKING OUT IN TALKING TO THE ZOO ABOUT.
09:43:32AM SEVERAL DIFFERENT ITERATIONS AND PROCESSES AS JOE MENTIONED
09:43:36AM EARLIER THAT WE NEED TO GO THROUGH.
09:43:37AM SO THE LAND IS -- MAY NOT HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT, BUT THERE IS
09:43:43AM A MONETARY FIGURE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
09:43:45AM BUT WE ARE WORKING ON THE LEASE AMENDMENT.
09:43:48AM THAT SHOULD BE COMING TO YOU VERY SOON AND THIS KICKS OFF
09:43:51AM FOR THE ZOO WHAT THEY ARE HOPING TO ENDEAVOR IN THE NEXT
09:43:55AM SEVERAL YEARS AS THEY EXPAND AND MOVE FORWARD.
09:43:57AM SEVERAL MORE STEPS TO COME BEFORE THAT -- TO BE ABLE TO GET
09:44:01AM THERE.
09:44:01AM AND THIS WILL COME BEFORE YOU AT ANOTHER TIME.
09:44:04AM >> AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, IT IS A COMPLICATED -- YOU KNOW TO
09:44:08AM RELOCATE AND ALL OF THAT.
09:44:09AM SO WE ARE WORKING WITH NICOLE AND HER TEAM AND THE MAYOR'S
09:44:13AM OFFICE TO SEE HOW WE CAN BEST DO THAT.
09:44:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:44:17AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:44:18AM I -- I ALWAYS HAVE BEEN TOLD SPEAK YOUR MIND.
09:44:22AM SO I AM THINKING ABOUT WHAT MY MIND IS GOING TO SAY TO THAT.
09:44:25AM LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY.
09:44:27AM IF TODAY THAT PARCEL OF LAND WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING WAS TO
09:44:33AM BE REVIEWED BY SOME OTHER HIGHER AGENCIES BROWN FIELD
09:44:38AM DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO CLEAN IT UP.
09:44:40AM SO THE POPULATION OF THE PROPERTY OF THAT LAND RIGHT NOW HAS
09:44:46AM GOT TO BE FOR SOME PURPOSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RELATED TO.
09:44:48AM AND LET ME SAY THIS.
09:44:50AM WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MONIES.
09:44:51AM IT IS AMAZING HOW SOME EVENTS COST THE CITY $250,000 EVERY
09:44:57AM TIME THERE IS AN EVENT BY CONTRACT.
09:45:00AM IT IS ALSO FUN FOR ME TO SAY THE FIRST $2 MILLION OF SOME
09:45:06AM AGENCY DOING SOMETHING AND THAT PROPERTY GOES TO SOMEBODY
09:45:09AM OTHER THAN THE CITY.
09:45:09AM THAT IS A FACT.
09:45:11AM I CAN GO ON AND ON AND ON.
09:45:13AM NOT ONLY THAT EVENT, ALL EVENTS.
09:45:16AM SO HERE IS SOMETHING THAT CREATES AN AMBIENCE NOT ONLY FOR
09:45:20AM THE KIDS, NOT ONLY FOR THE PARENTS, BUT IT IS ONE OF THE
09:45:24AM DRIVING ENGINES.
09:45:25AM THIS AND THE AQUARIUM IS ALL WE HAD.
09:45:30AM WE HAD A CONVENTION CENTER WHICH WAS VERY NICE.
09:45:33AM AS BEAUTIFUL AS IT WAS AND ALMOST AS OLD AS I AM.
09:45:36AM SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE THINGS, WITH THAT CONVENTION
09:45:42AM HOTEL, WE WERE LOSING MILLIONS EVERY YEAR.
09:45:45AM SO NOW THOSE THINGS ARE BUILT OUT.
09:45:48AM THE CONVENTION CENTERS MAKING ITSELF PROFITABLE.
09:45:52AM IT WAS LAST TIME I LOOKED.
09:45:54AM AND WHY?
09:45:55AM BECAUSE WE -- WE HELPED MAKE IT THAT WAY BY BRINGING IN ONE
09:46:00AM HOTEL, THAT BROUGHT IN COMPETITION FROM ANOTHER ONE AND FROM
09:46:03AM ANOTHER ONE AND ANOTHER ONE THAT MAKES THE AQUARIUM AND
09:46:06AM DON'T FORGET THE STREET CAR THAT WAS DONE UNDER THE GRECO
09:46:09AM ADMINISTRATION.
09:46:10AM I THINK THE COST ABOUT $11 MILLION TO $13 MILLION.
09:46:13AM I AM NOT SURE OF THAT.
09:46:14AM THAT THE PEOPLE COULD RIDE.
09:46:15AM WE USED TO ROLL UP THE STREETS AT 5:00 IN THE AFTERNOON.
09:46:19AM I WAS HERE WHEN THAT HAPPENED.
09:46:20AM THE CREWS NO LONGER WORKING BECAUSE, WHAT?
09:46:24AM WE CHANGED FROM BEING WHAT WE WERE TO SOMETHING THAT THE
09:46:28AM KIDS OF THE PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS WHO LIVE HERE WERE
09:46:32AM LIVING SOMEWHERE ELSE.
09:46:33AM AND NOW BECAUSE OF THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA,
09:46:36AM UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
09:46:38AM UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA GONE TO 1200 STUDENTS FEW YEARS BACK
09:46:44AM TO 12,000.
09:46:44AM BIGGER THAN WAKE FOREST AND PRINCETON FOR ENROLLMENT.
09:46:49AM NOW WHAT ARE WE THINKING OF?
09:46:50AM AN OPPORTUNITY, FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE FAIR NEGOTIATIONS
09:46:53AM ON BOTH SIDES.
09:46:54AM NOT ONE ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER SIDE, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO
09:46:57AM SOME AGREEMENT AND THIS IS NOT AN AGREEMENT WE ARE WORKING
09:46:59AM ON TODAY.
09:47:00AM JUST A TALK OF WHAT THE ZOO HAS ACCOMPLISHED ON THEIR OWN.
09:47:03AM NO CRA IN THE ZOO.
09:47:05AM NO $5 UNTIL OR $50 MILLION OR $20 MILLION GOING TO THE ZOO.
09:47:09AM THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE GOING TO MAKE IT THEMSELVES.
09:47:12AM AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT.
09:47:15AM SO I AM NOT SAYING WE SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE WHAT WE DID, BUT I
09:47:21AM AM SAYING A VAST DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU COMPARE THE APPLES TO
09:47:24AM THE ORANGES.
09:47:25AM NOT A FAIR COMPARISON.
09:47:26AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:47:27AM >> THANK YOU.
09:47:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
09:47:29AM MY -- MY GIRLFRIEND'S EIGHT-YEAR-OLD GRANDSON, WHO IS A
09:47:34AM GAMER, HAS THE VR GOGGLES AND -- I LOOKED AT HIM AND I SAID,
09:47:39AM HEY, LET'S GO TO THE ZOO.
09:47:41AM THE GRAPHICS ARE WONDERFUL.
09:47:42AM YOU SHOULD SEE IT.
09:47:44AM [LAUGHTER]
09:47:46AM THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION.
09:47:46AM AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT TIME YOU COME IN HERE AND
09:47:50AM GIVING US HOPEFULLY MORE GOOD NEWS.
09:47:52AM >> THANK YOU.
09:47:52AM THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE TIME YOU HAVE TODAY.
09:47:54AM WE APPRECIATE IT.
09:47:55AM >> I WANT TO ADD ONE THING IF I HAVEN'T MADE IT CLEAR
09:47:59AM BEFORE, I WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR RIGHT NOW, THE LEASE
09:48:02AM TAKES CARE OF THE IMMEDIATE NEEDS.
09:48:04AM YOU SAW A SNAPSHOT WHERE WE ARE FINANCIALLY AND PRESENTLY
09:48:08AM AND WE ARE IN GOOD SHAPE.
09:48:09AM THE VIDEO IS SOMETHING THAT IS A WORK IN PROGRESS AS NICOLE
09:48:13AM POINTED OUT.
09:48:14AM WE FELT IT WAS A BETTER IDEA TO TAKE CARE OF THE IMMEDIATE
09:48:18AM NEEDS ON THE LEASE AND GO BACK TO THIS GOING FORWARD.
09:48:21AM SO MANY THINGS TO WORK OUT.
09:48:22AM SO MANY OBSTACLES TO GET THROUGH.
09:48:25AM I AM A PERSISTENT KIND OF GUY AND I AM PRETTY SURE WE CAN
09:48:29AM MAKE IT HAPPEN.
09:48:29AM WE MAY FIND A HURDLE OR TWO BUT WE WILL GET THROUGH IT.
09:48:33AM I SAID IT EARLIER BUT I WANT TO THANK JOHN BENNETT.
09:48:37AM I WANT TO THANK NICOLE, I WANT TO THANK THE TEAM BECAUSE
09:48:40AM THEY HELPED GET US HERE.
09:48:41AM GOING FORWARD, WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU
09:48:44AM COLLECTIVELY AND INDIVIDUALLY.
09:48:46AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:48:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: CHIEF, DID YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING NOW?
09:48:50AM >>JOHN BENNETT: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:48:52AM JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
09:48:54AM JUST BRIEFLY.
09:48:55AM IT WAS COVERED WHEN NICOLE TRAVIS CAME UP, BUT WE WANTED TO
09:48:58AM MENTION WE APPRECIATE COUNCIL RECOGNIZING THE CREATIVE
09:49:01AM COLLABORATION.
09:49:01AM I HAVE A SPECIAL WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ZOO FOR --
09:49:04AM FOR DOZENS OF YEARS.
09:49:06AM MOSTLY IN PROTECTED MEASURES AND SUPPORT OF THE ENVIRONMENT.
09:49:10AM AND I JUST WANT TO THANK THE LEGAL TEAM, NICOLE TRAVIS,
09:49:15AM DENNIS ROGERO, ALL THE WORK THEY ARE DOING TO GET US THROUGH
09:49:19AM THESE PHASED GOAL LINES.
09:49:21AM A TEAM SPORT AND I APPRECIATE COUNCIL RECOGNIZING THE FACT
09:49:24AM WE ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO GET IT DONE.
09:49:27AM THANK YOU.
09:49:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GENTLEMEN, SOMEBODY IN THE BACK THAT YOU
09:49:30AM WANT TO INTRODUCE THAT IS A COLLEAGUE NOW?
09:49:35AM NO?
09:49:37AM AND ISN'T DUSTIN WITH YOU?
09:49:39AM NO?
09:49:41AM >> DUSTIN PORTILLO.
09:49:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE ALL KNOW HIM FROM PRIOR COMMENDATIONS AND
09:49:47AM I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU WOULD WANT TO INTRODUCE HIM.
09:49:50AM >> COME ON UP WITH ME.
09:49:52AM GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:49:54AM TROY, OWNER OF STARSHIP DINING CRUISES AND WATER TAXI AND
09:50:00AM BAY ROCK AND A COUPLE OF OTHER FLOATING ATTRACTIONS
09:50:03AM DOWNTOWN.
09:50:03AM DUSTIN FORTILLO.
09:50:06AM THE NEW DIRECTOR OF PR.
09:50:09AM STARTED THIS WEEK.
09:50:10AM A GREAT START FOR THIS WEEK.
09:50:13AM AND ZOO TAMPA, YOU LOOK AT THE INVESTMENT.
09:50:16AM I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID.
09:50:17AM A WORLD-CLASS ZOO.
09:50:20AM THE REASON WE HAVE RECORD VISITATION HERE IN TAMPA IT IS THE
09:50:25AM REASON HOY TELLS ARE DOING AS WELL THEY ARE.
09:50:30AM WE ARE HAVING RECORD BED TAX.
09:50:32AM WE ARE COMMITTED OF SUPPORTING THE TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR
09:50:36AM TO THE ZOO.
09:50:37AM WE HAVE A BETA TEST, THE EXPRESS RUNNING UP TO THE ZOO.
09:50:43AM WE LEARNED A LOT IN THE BETA TEST.
09:50:45AM WE SPENT THE LAST YEAR TO HAVE A WATER TAXI TO MAKE THE
09:50:50AM TRANSIT FROM DOWNTOWN TO THE ZOO.
09:50:52AM A CATAMARAN WITH ONLY EIGHT FEET OF VERTICAL CLEARANCE WHICH
09:50:56AM IS A CHALLENGING IT IS A TOCK GET TO HILLSBOROUGH AND
09:51:01AM COLUMBUS BRIDGES WITHOUT THEM OPENING TO TRANSIT TO THE
09:51:03AM SCHOOL, CAPABLE OF GETTING UP TO HIGHER SPEEDS TO MAKE THE
09:51:06AM TRANSIT MORE TIMABLE, LOW WEIGHT, ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY,
09:51:12AM AND THAT VESSEL IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION HERE IN TAMPA BY TAMPA
09:51:16AM WORKERS AT OUR MAINTENANCE FACILITY.
09:51:18AM SO WE ARE COMMITTED TO INVEST WELL OVER $1 MILLION IN WATER
09:51:22AM TAXI CONSTRUCTION.
09:51:23AM THIS IS THE FIRST OF TWO WE ARE BUILDING.
09:51:25AM WE EXPECT TO LAUNCH IT BY THE END OF THE YEAR AND WE EXPECT
09:51:28AM TO STAND UP THE ZOO EXPRESS ROUTE AT THE END OF THE YEAR,
09:51:32AM EARLY NEXT YEAR AT THE LATEST QUESTION WILL START THAT
09:51:34AM CONNECTIVITY AGAIN.
09:51:35AM YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, CONNECTING THE AQUARIUM AND THE
09:51:39AM ZOO TOGETHER IS ESSENTIAL.
09:51:40AM CREATES A GREAT ALL-DAY EXPERIENCE.
09:51:42AM WHAT WE LEARNED IN THE BAY AT THAT TEST.
09:51:45AM WE HAVE FULL TAXIS GOING TO THE ZOO.
09:51:47AM EMPTY TAXIS COMING BACK.
09:51:49AM NOW WE ARE FILL THEM BOTH WAYS WITH VISITING BOTH CULTURAL
09:51:52AM ATTRACTIONS.
09:51:53AM WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT OPPORTUNITY.
09:51:55AM IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I AM HAPPY TO DISCUSS THAT.
09:51:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:52:00AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION.
09:52:01AM THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE TO HELP PEOPLE AND
09:52:04AM MAKE TAMPA LIKE IT IS.
09:52:05AM HOTEL OCCUPANCY ONE OF THE HIGHEST IN THE COUNTRY.
09:52:08AM 88% OR 9% OCCUPANCY.
09:52:11AM ONE OF THE HIGHEST.
09:52:12AM BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO GO TO.
09:52:14AM YOU HAVE MOVEMENT AROUND THE RIVER AND ENTRANCE TO TO THE
09:52:17AM BAY; HOWEVER, WHEN I HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE CALL ME -- AND I
09:52:23AM CAN HAVE THEM CALL YOU IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
09:52:24AM NORTH OF THE COLUMBUS DRIVE BRIDGE, INDIVIDUALS THAT OWN
09:52:27AM PROPERTY ON THE RIVERFRONT, AND THEY ARE VERY MUCH CONCERNED
09:52:31AM BECAUSE THE WAKE DOESN'T GO FAR ENOUGH, THEY SAY.
09:52:35AM AND THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE SAYING.
09:52:36AM WHATEVER WE ARE GOING TO DO WITH THE ZOO, WE ME TO MAKE SURE
09:52:40AM IT IS TIME-WISE FEASIBLE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY -- NOT YOUR
09:52:44AM BOATS BUT OTHER BOATS THAT ARE GOING HIGH SPEED AND WE HAVE
09:52:47AM TO HAVE MORE VIGILANT PATROL.
09:52:49AM I KNOW YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DO THAT, BUT OTHERS MIGHT.
09:52:52AM SO WE HAVE TO HAVE CONFERENCE OF THE MINDS OF THE LEGAL
09:52:56AM DEPARTMENT AND REVIEW THE WAKE ZONE IN THAT AREA.
09:52:59AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:53:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
09:53:02AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:53:02AM >>BILL CARLSON: CONGRATS, DUSTIN.
09:53:04AM >> THANK YOU.
09:53:05AM >>BILL CARLSON: TROY, THANKS FOR YOUR ENTREPRENEURIALSHIP ON
09:53:09AM THIS.
09:53:10AM WHAT YOU HAVE DONE WITH THE PIRATE TAXI AND OTHER THINGS
09:53:13AM CHANGED THE WAY THAT PEOPLE EXPERIENCE THE CITY BY SEEING IT
09:53:17AM AND EXPERIENCES IT FROM THE RIVERWALK.
09:53:19AM WHEN YOU STARTED THE TAXI A LOT OF PEOPLE INCLUDING ME
09:53:23AM THOUGHT IT WOULDN'T SUCCEED BUT NOW WIDELY SUCCESSFUL.
09:53:26AM AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP WITH THE MARITIME
09:53:28AM COMMUNITY.
09:53:28AM YOU AND YOUR FAMILY HAVE BEEN VERY INVOLVED.
09:53:30AM WE APPRECIATE IT.
09:53:31AM >> THANK YOU.
09:53:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:53:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I ALSO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
09:53:36AM I LOVE THAT YOU ALL ARE A VIABLE AND GROWING ALTERNATE
09:53:41AM TRANSIT.
09:53:41AM SO I REALLY JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT.
09:53:45AM I SEE PEOPLE IT ALL THE TIME.
09:53:47AM I RIDE IT MYSELF.
09:53:48AM I REALLY ENJOY IT.
09:53:50AM I THINK IT IS A GREAT PART OF THIS CITY.
09:53:52AM THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO WANT TO GROW AND TO TRY TO ALLOW
09:53:57AM PEOPLE TO JUST PARK ONCE AND BE ABLE TO -- TO MOVE ABOUT OUR
09:54:03AM CITY IN DIFFERENT WAYS, THANK YOU.
09:54:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU FOR YOUR NEW FORM OF
09:54:09AM TRANSPORTATION WHICH IS NOT REALLY NEW, BUT AROUND FOR 10,
09:54:14AM 15 YEARS.
09:54:14AM >> WHAT'S THAT --
09:54:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THE WATER TAXIS.
09:54:17AM >> THE WATER TAXIS ARE SIX YEARS.
09:54:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SIX YEARS OLD.
09:54:21AM A HUGE SUCCESS.
09:54:23AM THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.
09:54:24AM MR. PORTILLO, GREAT TO SEE YOU BACK IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
09:54:29AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
09:54:30AM >> THANK YOU.
09:54:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AT THIS TIME, WE WILL NOW BE TAKING PUBLIC
09:54:36AM COMMENT.
09:54:38AM ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WHO WISH TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS
09:54:43AM TIME, PLEASE FORM A LINE ON MY LEFT, YOUR RIGHT.
09:54:47AM AND YOU WILL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES TO GIVE YOUR COMMENTS.
09:54:53AM >> HELLO, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
09:54:57AM MY NAME IS AL LUCAS.
09:54:59AM CAME TO TAMPA IN 1958.
09:55:03AM AND I WENT TO -- WITH MY MOM AND WENT TO TINK IRELEMENTARY
09:55:11AM SCHOOL, GORRIE AND WILSON AND PLANT AND GRADUATED FROM THE
09:55:15AM UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA.
09:55:16AM MOM MARRIED BILL -- REMARRIED BILL, AND HE WAS ONCE THE
09:55:25AM PRESIDENT OF THE JUNIOR ACHIEVEMENT COMMERCIAL HERE IN TAMPA
09:55:29AM AND WAS ALSO THE CHEMIST IN WORLD WAR II IN TAMPA MY JOB IS
09:55:34AM TO INTRODUCE MY FRIEND DAVID CORNELL, CEO OF LOW COST WEB
09:55:40AM SITE.
09:55:41AM AND HE IS INTERESTED IN THE BLACK EXPERIENCE AND WANTS TO
09:55:45AM HELP WITH THE RENOVATION AND RESTORATION OF THE RAY CHARLES
09:55:50AM BUILDING ON ZACK AND NEBRASKA.
09:55:52AM HE HAS -- HE IS WRITING A BOOK ABOUT THAT.
09:55:56AM ABOUT THAT.
09:55:56AM AND WANTS -- HE IS VERY INTERESTED IN PURSUING WITH YOU AS
09:56:02AM YOU -- AS WE UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE THAT AS PART OF YOUR AGENDA
09:56:06AM THE RESTORATION OF THE RAY CHARLES BUILDING.
09:56:09AM SO WITHOUT ANY FURTHER ADO, I WILL INTRODUCE DAVID CORNELL.
09:56:14AM THANK YOU.
09:56:14AM >> GOOD MORNING.
09:56:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GOOD MORNING.
09:56:21AM >> SO, WHAT I AM SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT THE JACKSON
09:56:27AM HOUSE OFF OF NEBRASKA AND ZACK.
09:56:31AM AS THE COUNCIL MAY BE AWARE OF, IT WAS AT ONE TIME FOR BLACK
09:56:38AM MUSICIANS TO GO THERE AND LIVE.
09:56:40AM THAT HOUSE HAS BEEN IN A STATE OF DISREPAIR FOR SOME TIME
09:56:44AM NOW.
09:56:44AM I BELIEVE 20 TO 25 YEARS.
09:56:45AM WHAT I PROPOSE BEFORE THIS COUNCIL AT A MINIMUM TO CONSIDER
09:56:52AM A PLAQUE IN HONOR OF RAY CHARLES WHO DID INDEED GO THERE.
09:56:56AM IN THIS TOWN, THERE IS A MURAL, A FINE MURAL, THAT HONORS
09:57:02AM RAY CHARLES AND RAY CHARLES BOULEVARD, WHICH HE DIDN'T LIVE
09:57:06AM THERE BY THE WAY.
09:57:07AM BUT HE DID LIVE IN THE JACKSON HOUSE WITH THE OTHER
09:57:09AM WONDERFUL MUSE SIGNIFICANCESES OF THAT TIME.
09:57:12AM SO I WILL ASK THE COUNCIL AT A MINIMUM CONSIDER A PLAQUE IN
09:57:15AM HONOR OF RAY CHARLES.
09:57:17AM MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
09:57:19AM MAYBE A STATUTE OF SOME SORT.
09:57:22AM A HUMBLE STATUE SHOWING HIM PLAYING THE PIANO RIGHT IN FRONT
09:57:26AM OF THE JACKSON HOUSE.
09:57:28AM ALSO AS THE CEO OF LOW COST WEB SITE LLC IN THE SAME ZIP
09:57:35AM CODE OF THE JACKSON HOUSE, I KNOW PEOPLE WORLDWIDE AND
09:57:39AM NATIONWIDE ARE INTERESTED IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
09:57:41AM I UNDERSTAND THE FINE UNIVERSITIES HAVE ESTABLISHED A PLAN
09:57:45AM FOR THE JACKSON HOUSE.
09:57:46AM ONCE AGAIN, IT IS A STATE OF DISREPAIR.
09:57:49AM I DO NOT WISH TO COUNTERMAND THAT, BUT A COMPANY IN
09:57:56AM CALIFORNIA CALLED -- I HAVE THE CONTACT INFORMATION HERE IF
09:57:58AM YOU ALL WISH TO SEE IT.
09:58:00AM MBSAP LLC, A VERY WELL ESTABLISHED COMPANY IN CALIFORNIA,
09:58:09AM AND THEY HAVE CONNECTIONS IN INDIA AND SINGAPORE AND SAUDI
09:58:15AM ARABIA.
09:58:15AM A PARTICULAR ARCHITECT -- AS I CONCLUDE, A PARTICULAR
09:58:20AM ARCHITECT THAT HAS INFORMATION HE WOULD LIKE FROM SAUDI
09:58:24AM ARABIA TO FACILITATE WITH THAT PROJECT.
09:58:27AM SO I ASK THE MEMBERS TO -- AT A MINIMUM CONSIDER THAT
09:58:31AM PLAQUE.
09:58:31AM AND ALSO A STATUE OF SOME KIND, WHATEVER WAY RAY CHARLES MAY
09:58:38AM HAVE DWELLED AND CONSIDER GETTING SOME INFORMATION SO THIS
09:58:41AM ARCHITECT MIGHT BE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE.
09:58:43AM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:58:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:58:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHEN RAY CHARLES CAME TO TAMPA AND LIVED
09:58:49AM HERE FOR A TIME.
09:58:50AM HE STAYED ON A HOUSE ON SHORT EMORY STREET.
09:58:54AM HE DID STAY AT THE JACKSON HOUSE, BUT THE HOUSE HE SPENT
09:58:57AM MORE OF THE TIME AND WHERE SOME SONGS WERE WRITTEN HAVE BEEN
09:59:00AM DEMOLISHED, BUT THE PROPERTY IS THERE.
09:59:03AM I BELIEVE IT IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE EXISTING CHURCH.
09:59:05AM I CAN TAKE YOU THERE AND SHOW YOU.
09:59:07AM WHO I WOULD CONTACT -- I CAN CONNECT YOU IS WITH DR. CAROLYN
09:59:12AM COLLINS.
09:59:13AM AND SHE WOULD BE THE CONTACT PERSON THERE FOR THE JACKSON
09:59:16AM HOUSE AND RESTORATION AND RENOVATION.
09:59:19AM IF YOU WANT, I CAN STEP OUT AND GIVE YOU A BUSINESS CARD.
09:59:22AM AND WE WILL HELP WITH YOU THAT.
09:59:24AM >> THANK YOU.
09:59:25AM ALSO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT PLAQUE AND THE STATUE IN HOMAGE --
09:59:30AM NOT MUCH IN -- HOMAGE TO MR. RAY CHARLES.
09:59:34AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:59:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:59:39AM >> MENTESNOT.
09:59:41AM UHURU, MEANS FREEDOM IN SWAHILI.
09:59:46AM WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE.
09:59:48AM WE DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT JACKSON HOUSE OR RAY CHARLES.
09:59:51AM WE DON'T WANT TO TALK OF NO BLACK PEOPLE SINGING AND DANCING
09:59:55AM AND EATING WATERMELON.
09:59:57AM WE DON'T WANT TO TALK OF BLACK PEOPLE PLAYING BASKETBALL AND
10:00:00AM WHO GOT HURT ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD AND THE BUCCANEERS AND
10:00:03AM TOM BRADY OR TAX INCENTIVES.
10:00:06AM BLACK PEOPLE NEED TO TALK ABOUT REPARATIONS.
10:00:08AM BLACK PEOPLE NEED TO TALK ABOUT REPARATIONS AND WHITE PEOPLE
10:00:12AM NEED TO TALK OF REPARATIONS FOR AFRICAN PEOPLE.
10:00:14AM 4334 YEARS WE HAVE BEEN UNDER OPPRESSION AND DOMINATION AND
10:00:18AM YOU TALK ABOUT WHO YOU GAVE A PLAQUE TO.
10:00:21AM WHO SINGS THE BEST.
10:00:23AM WHO CAN DANCE THE BEST.
10:00:24AM WHO CAN BE ON "AMERICAN IDOL."
10:00:26AM WE DON'T WANT NO MORE OF THAT STUPIDNESS BECAUSE WE DON'T
10:00:30AM HAVE REPRESENTATIVES TO REALLY REPRESENT OUR TRUE NEED.
10:00:35AM AND IGNORANT OF SPEED, AND ROUNDABOUTS AND SAY NO TO
10:00:41AM DRUGS.
10:00:41AM THE WHITE FOLKS ARE BRINGING ALL THE DRUGS IN THE COMMUNITY.
10:00:44AM SAY NO TO CRIME, AND THEY COMMIT MORE CRIME.
10:00:48AM PERSONAL CRIME, SOCIAL CRIME, POLITICAL CRIME, ECONOMIC
10:00:51AM CRIME.
10:00:51AM MORE CRIME THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
10:00:53AM STOP THE FOOLISHNESS.
10:00:55AM A RAGGEDY HOUSE SITTING THERE FOR DECADES THAT Y'ALL WON'T
10:01:00AM FIX, THE CITY WON'T FIX.
10:01:01AM AND Y'ALL USING IT AS AN INSULT TO AFRICAN PEOPLE BECAUSE
10:01:05AM THAT IS EXACTLY HOW WE ARE LIVING.
10:01:07AM NOW Y'ALL ARE UP THERE FOR AN HOUR TALKING ABOUT A ZOO, AND
10:01:12AM YOU AIN'T TALKING OF REPARATIONS.
10:01:14AM 26% OF THIS POPULATION.
10:01:16AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANIMALS AT ZOO TAMPA IS.
10:01:18AM BUT WE ARE 26% OF THIS POPULATION.
10:01:21AM AND Y'ALL CAN'T TALK OF REPARATIONS NOT ONE SINGLE DAY.
10:01:25AM NOT ONE SINGLE SECOND.
10:01:27AM Y'ALL ARE AN INSULT TO AFRICAN PEOPLE!
10:01:30AM Y'ALL ARE AN INSULT TO AFRICAN PEOPLE!
10:01:32AM AND THE AMBITIONS OF A AFRICAN PEOPLE!
10:01:36AM YOU THINK WE ARE 3/5 OF A HUMAN BEING AND WE AIN'T NEVER
10:01:40AM BEEN THAT.
10:01:40AM BUT YOU ALL TRY TO CATEGORIZE US AS THAT AND KEEP TALKING
10:01:45AM ABOUT Y'ALL HAVE CEREMONIES AND MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.
10:01:47AM PARADES AND JUNETEENTH.
10:01:48AM NOBODY CARE ABOUT THAT IGNORANT STUFF.
10:01:51AM IT IS IGNORANT.
10:01:52AM IT IS STRAIGHT IGNORANCE AND YOU ARE PLAYING US CLOSE LIKE
10:01:56AM WE ARE IGNORANT.
10:01:57AM BLACK PEOPLE AREN'T IGNORANT.
10:02:00AM BLACK PEOPLE AREN'T FOOLISH.
10:02:02AM WE HAVE BEEN ENSLAVED FOR 623 YEARS UNDER EURO AND AMERICAN
10:02:06AM DOMINATION.
10:02:07AM UNDER WHITE WESTERN CIVILIZATION.
10:02:09AM UNDER WHITE WESTERN EXPANSION.
10:02:11AM UNDER WHITE WESTERN MAN FEST DESTINY.
10:02:16AM IT'S TIME FOR THAT TO STOP.
10:02:20AM YOU HAVE TO STOP TAKING BLACK PEOPLE MORE SERIOUS.
10:02:23AM WE ARE NOT TRYING TO SING AND DANCE FOR WHITE PEOPLE NO
10:02:26AM MORE.
10:02:26AM WE ARE NOT TRYING TO DO NONE OF THAT NO MORE AND COLLECT
10:02:30AM PLAQUES AND AWARDS AND WHO DID THIS AND MARCHING BAND AND
10:02:33AM SORORITY AND FRATERNITY.
10:02:35AM F ALL THAT.
10:02:38AM WE WANT REPARATIONS, $623 TRILLION IS WHAT WE OWE ON THIS
10:02:43AM CONTINENT RIGHT HERE OF NORTH AMERICA.
10:02:45AM THAT IS WHAT WE WANT.
10:02:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:02:49AM NEXT, PLEASE.
10:02:50AM >> WELL, GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS SID FLANNERY.
10:03:00AM I SPOKE TO YOU DECEMBER 1 REGARDING PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE
10:03:03AM FLORIDA STATUTE THAT RESULTED FROM SENATE BILL 64 THAT WILL
10:03:07AM AFFECT HOW THE CITY REUSES OR DISCHARGES RECLAIMED WATER
10:03:10AM FROM THE HOWARD F. CURREN WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
10:03:14AM THESE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE STATUTE WAS PREPARED BY THE
10:03:18AM CITIZENS STAKEHOLDER GROUP THE LAST TWO YEARS FOLLOWED THE
10:03:21AM CITY'S PLAN TO COMPLY WITH SENATE BILL 64 AND OPTIONS FOR
10:03:25AM RECLAIMED WATER USE.
10:03:26AM AT YOUR REQUEST ON DECEMBER 1, I SENT YOU A DRAFT OF THE
10:03:30AM STAKEHOLDER POSITION PAPER THAT CONTAINED OUR
10:03:33AM RECOMMENDATIONS.
10:03:34AM ON JANUARY 12, I SENT YOU, THE MAYOR AND CITY STAFF OUR
10:03:37AM FINAL DOCUMENT THAT IS VERY SIMILAR PROPOSED LANGUAGE.
10:03:41AM I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE YOU ALSO RECEIVED A MEMO DATED
10:03:46AM JANUARY 12 FROM TWO STAFF MEMBERS FROM THE CITY OFFICE OF
10:03:49AM GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS AND STRATEGIC INITIATIVES.
10:03:52AM I WISH THESE STAFF MEMBERS WELL AND DON'T THINK THE
10:03:56AM MISUNDERSTANDS IN THEIR MEMO WERE INTENTIONAL BUT THAT MEMO
10:03:59AM SERIOUSLY MISCHARACTERIZED THE RECOMMENDATIONS PUT FORTH BY
10:04:02AM THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP.
10:04:04AM AS SHOWN IN ITEM 13 IN THE STAFF REPORT FOR TODAY'S MEETING
10:04:07AM AND REPRINTED IN THE STAFF MEMO, ON DECEMBER 1, THE COUNCIL
10:04:13AM PASSED A MOTION FOR CITY STAFF TO EXAMINE THE LEGAL AND
10:04:16AM LOBBYING RESOURCES THAT CAN BE USED TO SUPPORT A CHANGE IN
10:04:19AM SENATE BILL 64 AND/OR ENABLE A CITY TO GET AN EXCEPTION FROM
10:04:24AM THE FLORIDA DEP THAT RECOGNIZES THE BENEFICIAL EFFECTS OF
10:04:30AM DISCHARGED WATER TO TAMPA BAY.
10:04:31AM I DO AGREE WITH THE STAFF MEMO THAT A FULL EXEMPTION FROM
10:04:35AM SENATE BILL 64 WOULD BE AN ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE SELL WITH THE
10:04:41AM LEGISLATURE BUT NOT WHAT THE STAKEHOLDERS FROM IMPOSED.
10:04:44AM INSTEAD IN OUR POSITION PAPER AND OUR PREACH COMMENTS TO
10:04:48AM YOU, WE HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT ADDING SOME SIMPLE
10:04:52AM CLARIFYING LANGUAGE TO SENATE BILL 64 WOULD NOT PRECLUDE THE
10:04:56AM PURSUIT OF RECLAIMED WATER USING THE AWT DISCHARGE.
10:05:01AM INSTEAD ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS, THE CITY CAN RE-EVALUATE
10:05:06AM RECLAIMED WATER OF THE LARGE SEASONAL FLOW IN HILLSBOROUGH
10:05:11AM RIVER, THE NEED FOR RECLAIMED WATER AND COST EFFECTIVENESS
10:05:13AM OF THE PROJECTS.
10:05:14AM OUR RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE WOULD WILLS ALLOW THE CITY TO
10:05:16AM BETTER RESPOND TO CHANGES IN SITE-SPECIFIC FACTORS SUCH AS
10:05:21AM CONCENTRATIONS OF CHEMICAL OF CONCERN AND OPEN SCIENTIFIC
10:05:27AM FORM ANALYZE THE DISCHARGE THAT CAN BE REMOVED FROM TAMPA
10:05:31AM BAY WITHOUT CAUSING ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
10:05:34AM MAY --
10:05:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU STILL HAVE 30 SECONDS.
10:05:37AM >> OKAY.
10:05:38AM ACCURATE PORTRAYAL OF THE STAKEHOLDER'S RECOMMENDATIONS, I
10:05:41AM ENCOURAGE YOU TO REVIEW THE E-MAIL I SENT TO YOU ON JANUARY
10:05:45AM 12 AND THE ATTACHED POSITION PAPER SIGNED BY NINE MEMBERS OF
10:05:48AM THE CITY'S STAKEHOLDER GROUP.
10:05:50AM AS THAT CORRESPONDENCE SUGGESTS, WE THINK THE CITY
10:05:54AM ADMINISTRATION SHOULD ENDORSE AND FOR THE STRAIGHTFORWARD
10:05:58AM ADDITIONS TO THE FLORIDA STATUTES WE ARE PROPOSING WHICH
10:06:00AM WILL GIVE THE CITY MUCH-NEEDED OPERATIONAL TO PURSUE
10:06:04AM RECLAIMED WATER PROJECTS THAT ARE TRULY NEEDED, COST
10:06:07AM EFFECTIVE, PROTECTED OF THE WATER RESOURCES AND NATURAL
10:06:11AM ENVIRONMENTS AND IN THE BEST PUBLIC INTEREST.
10:06:13AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:06:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:06:15AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:06:16AM >>BILL CARLSON: COULD YOU -- I KNOW YOU HAVE MAY HAVE DONE
10:06:19AM THIS BEFORE, BUT COULD YOU FOR US AND FOR THE SAKE OF THE
10:06:22AM PUBLIC TELL US REAL QUICKLY YOUR PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND AND
10:06:25AM EXPERIENCE.
10:06:25AM >> YES.
10:06:26AM I AM RETIRED NOW.
10:06:27AM I AM 70 YEARS OLD.
10:06:29AM I WORKED IN WATER RESOURCES FOR 38 YEARS.
10:06:32AM I WORKED AS A CHIEF ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENTIST WITH THE
10:06:37AM SOUTHWEST FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT FOR 30 YEARS AND
10:06:40AM WORKED ON MINIMUM FLOWS AND LEVEL AND THE QUALITY YOU CAN
10:06:43AM TAKE FOR WATER SUPPLY WITHOUT DAMAGING THE ENVIRONMENT.
10:06:45AM I HAVE WORKED EXTENSIVELY ON MINIMUM FLOWS FOR THE
10:06:49AM HILLSBOROUGH RIVER AND THE ALAFIA RIVER.
10:06:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:06:54AM >> SURE.
10:06:55AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, GARY GIBBONS, VICE-CHAIR
10:07:02AM OF THE TAMPA BAY SIERRA CLUB AND MAYBE OF THE STAKEHOLDER
10:07:06AM GROUP OF A PROJECT THAT FORMALLY KNOWN AS PURE THAT THE CITY
10:07:11AM CLAIMS IS NO LONGER A THING BUT WE ALL KNOW IS STILL VERY
10:07:14AM MUCH A THING.
10:07:15AM I'M HERE TO EXPRESS THE STAKEHOLDERS' DISAPPOINTMENT IN THE
10:07:19AM CITY'S RESPONSES TO THE 17 QUESTIONS THAT THE SIERRA CLUB
10:07:22AM SUBMITTED TO THE MAYOR AND HER STAFF LAST FEBRUARY AFTER
10:07:26AM COUNCIL PROVIDED MORE THAN A MILLION DOLLARS FOR PUBLIC
10:07:29AM OUTREACH AND TO STUDY ADDITIONAL ALTERNATIVES.
10:07:32AM WE GAVE THOSE 17 QUESTIONS TO THE MAYOR AND HER STAFF AND
10:07:34AM SAID THIS IS THE MINIMUM INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED TO TELL
10:07:37AM THE PUBIC ABOUT THE PURE PROJECT.
10:07:39AM IN FACT, THE 17 QUESTIONS ARE TITLED OUTREACH INFORMATION
10:07:44AM THAT THE PUBLIC NEEDS FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA REGARDING THE
10:07:47AM PROPOSED PURE PROJECT.
10:07:48AM AND WE ASKED ALL THAT INFORMATION BE PUT ON THE CITY'S WEB
10:07:52AM SITE.
10:07:53AM WHY ARE WE DISAPPOINTED?
10:07:54AM WELL, FIRST OF ALL, RATHER THAN ANSWERING EACH OF THE
10:07:58AM QUESTIONS ONE BY ONE IN SEQUENCE, THE STAFF HAS CHOSEN TO
10:08:02AM GROUP THE QUESTIONS IN BUNCHES AND RESPOND WITH THEIR OWN
10:08:04AM NARRATIVE GENERALIZATIONS.
10:08:06AM MY FIRST QUESTION FOR THE STAFF IS THIS.
10:08:08AM WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THE WAY THEY WERE
10:08:11AM ASKED?
10:08:12AM YOU HAD A YEAR.
10:08:13AM SECONDLY, THE DOCUMENT KEPT SAYING TWO THINGS.
10:08:17AM ONE, WE NEED MORE MONEY IN ORDER TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.
10:08:20AM AND TWO, THERE ISN'T A PURE PROJECT.
10:08:23AM AND THEY REPEAT THOSE OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
10:08:26AM WELL, EVERYONE KNOWS THEY WANT TO USE COMBINATIONS TWO AND
10:08:32AM THREE THAT EVERYONE HAS CALLED PURE FOR MORE THAN TWO YEARS
10:08:35AM WHICH MEANS STOP DISCHARGING THE WATER INTO TAMPA BAY, PUT
10:08:38AM THE TREATED WASTEWATER IN THE RESERVOIR TO DROUGHT-PROOF IT,
10:08:42AM BLOW THE DAM FOR MINIMUM FLOWS, AND STORE THE REST OF IT IN
10:08:46AM THE AQUIFER.
10:08:47AM IF THAT ISN'T PURE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO CALL IT.
10:08:51AM AND I MIGHT ADD THAT THE ONLY PROJECT THAT THE MAYOR AND HER
10:08:55AM STAFF HAS CONTINUOUSLY ADVOCATING FOR IS WHAT IS LISTED IN
10:08:59AM THE PLAN FILED WITH FDEP IN NOVEMBER OF 2021.
10:09:03AM WHY NOT CALL IT PURE ANYMORE.
10:09:05AM AND WHILE THERE IS APPARENTLY A REPORT OF WHAT THE
10:09:08AM CONTAMINANTS ARE THAT WERE CONTAINED THAT REMAIN IN THE
10:09:12AM TREATED WASTEWATER TODAY, THEY DIDN'T SEND THAT SUPPORT TO
10:09:16AM THE STAKEHOLDERS OR CITY COUNCIL AND INSTEAD IT IS AVAILABLE
10:09:20AM UPON REQUEST.
10:09:21AM REALLY?
10:09:22AM THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN ASKING FOR THIS INFORMATION FOR ALMOST A
10:09:25AM YEAR, AND NOW WE HAVE TO MAKE A SPECIAL REQUEST FOR WHAT IS
10:09:28AM IN THE TREATED WASTEWATER NOW?
10:09:30AM WHY NOT PUT ALL OF THAT ON THE CITY COUNCIL'S WEB SITE.
10:09:33AM THE CITY'S WEB SITE SO THAT EVERYONE CAN SEE THAT
10:09:37AM INFORMATION JUST LIKE WE ASKED IN THE 17 QUESTIONS A YEAR
10:09:42AM AGO.
10:09:42AM WE CERTAINLY HOPE THAT THE WORKSHOP THAT IS GOING TO BE HELD
10:09:46AM ON FEBRUARY 23 WILL PROVIDE REAL ANSWERS TO EACH OF THE
10:09:50AM QUESTIONS POSED WITHOUT EXCUSES THAT FUNDING HAS BEEN
10:09:55AM STOPPED.
10:09:55AM AND WHILE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MONEY, THE PUBLIC WOULD
10:09:59AM CERTAINLY LIKE A DETAILED ACCOUNTING OF THE MONEY THAT HAS
10:10:02AM BEEN SPENT TO DATE ON THIS PROJECT, WHATEVER IT IS CALLED.
10:10:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:10:08AM >> HELLO.
10:10:14AM NORM MYERS, TAMPA BAY COMMUNITY ACTION COMMITTEE.
10:10:18AM IT IS FUNNY THAT THE ZOO CAME IN HERE, BECAUSE I WANT TO
10:10:22AM TALK ABOUT THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.
10:10:23AM YESTERDAY JANE CASTOR.
10:10:26AM MAYOR JANE CASTOR VETOED A BALLOT MEASURE FOR INDEPENDENT
10:10:32AM COUNSEL FOR THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD OF TAMPA FLAGRANTLY
10:10:40AM ANTI-DEMOCRATIC OPTION -- ACTION.
10:10:46AM ALSO DISRESPECTFUL TO ALL YOU.
10:10:48AM YOU SPENT THREE MONTHS WORK ON THAT BALLOT MEASURE AND SHE
10:10:51AM IS JUST LIKE OUT OF NOWHERE UNSIGN IT?
10:10:54AM THAT IS JUST -- I MEAN, RIDICULOUS.
10:10:56AM DISRESPECTFUL TO YOU FOLKS.
10:11:00AM DISRESPECTFUL TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:11:02AM DISRESPECTFUL TO THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA AND DISRESPECTFUL OF
10:11:06AM ALL THE WORK YOU PUT IN, ACTIVIST PUT IN AND EVERYONE PUT IN
10:11:10AM TOO IG TO PUT PRESSURE ON THAT CAMPAIGN.
10:11:12AM I MEAN, Y'ALL GOT TO STAND UP FOR YOURSELVES.
10:11:15AM YOU GOT TO STAND UP FOR THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA.
10:11:17AM AND YOU GOT TO STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT.
10:11:19AM I NO HE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU KNOW WHAT IS RIGHT AND
10:11:22AM WRONG.
10:11:22AM WHAT MAYOR JANE CASTOR DID YESTERDAY WAS WRONG AND GIVING
10:11:27AM THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD HOW POWER OF INDEPENDENT COUNSEL
10:11:31AM IS RIGHT.
10:11:31AM DO WHAT IS RIGHT AND OVERRIDE THAT VETO.
10:11:34AM THANK YOU.
10:11:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:11:36AM MR. SHELBY.
10:11:38AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
10:11:40AM A QUESTION THAT CAME UP OF PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE
10:11:42AM RECONSIDERATION OF COUNCIL'S -- THE ORDINANCES THAT HAVE
10:11:45AM COME BACK FROM THE MAYOR.
10:11:46AM WITH REGARD TO THAT, A CLARIFICATION, PLEASE.
10:11:50AM IS IT COUNCIL'S PRESSURE TO ALLOW FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER
10:11:56AM EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL ORDINANCES?
10:12:01AM MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT IS NOT SET FOR A PUBLIC HEARING,
10:12:05AM ALTHOUGH FRANKLY MAY BE PEOPLE HERE WHO WANT TO SPEAK TO THE
10:12:08AM INDIVIDUAL ORDINANCES OR DO COUNCIL WISH TO ALLOW PEOPLE
10:12:12AM ALSO TO SPEAK GENERALLY IF THEY WANT TO SPEAK NOW INSTEAD OF
10:12:16AM THEN.
10:12:16AM HOW DOES COUNCIL WISH TO HANDLE THIS SPECIFICALLY.
10:12:19AM SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT COME BEFORE COUNCIL IN MY EXPERIENCE
10:12:24AM FOR RECONSIDERATION.
10:12:25AM I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
10:12:27AM I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WANT TO OPINE, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT --
10:12:30AM AND IT IS MY OPINION THAT BEST PRACTICE MIGHT BE UNDER THESE
10:12:34AM CIRCUMSTANCES TO ALLOW EACH INDIVIDUAL ORDINANCE TO ALLOW
10:12:37AM PUBLIC COMMENT IF THAT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
10:12:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:12:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I ABSOLUTELY THINK THAT IS A GREAT
10:12:43AM SUGGESTION.
10:12:44AM BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE HERE THAT MAY WANT TO SPEAK ON
10:12:48AM ONE.
10:12:48AM SOME PEOPLE MAY WANT TO SPEAK ON THREE BUT NOT ALL FIVE.
10:12:51AM SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
10:12:54AM I WOULD PROBABLY -- THE ONLY THING I MIGHT RECOMMEND IS THAT
10:12:58AM -- FOLKS TRY -- WE NORMALLY TRY NOT TO BE REPETITIVE.
10:13:07AM YEAH.
10:13:08AM I ABSOLUTELY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
10:13:10AM I THINK THAT IS A WISE WAY TO DO IT.
10:13:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:13:16AM >>BILL CARLSON: ONE OTHER THING TO ADD TO THAT.
10:13:19AM AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:13:22AM IF PEOPLE WHO NEED TO LEAVE, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD
10:13:26AM PROHIBIT THEM FROM SPEAKING NOW.
10:13:28AM BUT OTHERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK LATER, LET THEM DO THAT.
10:13:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF IT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL, I WILL
10:13:36AM TAKE BOTH CONSIDERATIONS AND SAY IF SOMEONE WISHES TO SPEAK
10:13:40AM DURING PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THE CHARTER CHANGES, LET THEM DO
10:13:43AM THAT NOW.
10:13:44AM IF THEY WISH TO SPEAK DURING EACH AND EVERY DISCUSSION ON
10:13:48AM THE CHARTER AMENDMENT, LET THEM DO THAT, ONE OR THE OTHER
10:13:52AM BUT NOT BOTH.
10:13:53AM THANK YOU.
10:13:55AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
10:13:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.
10:13:59AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:14:03AM JAMES MICHAEL SHAW JR., AND I LIVE IN WEST TAMPA.
10:14:06AM I TEND TO SHOW UP BEHIND THIS PODIUM WHENEVER WE ARE TALKING
10:14:09AM OF THE CRB AND I THANK THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL THAT SUPPORTED
10:14:13AM THE EFFORTS TO GIVE CRB ITS OWN INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY, BUT
10:14:17AM WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS BIGGER THAN JUST
10:14:19AM THAT.
10:14:20AM WE ARE TALKING OF THE SEPARATION OF POWERS.
10:14:22AM THE SEVEN OF YOU REPRESENT THE 400,000 OF US.
10:14:26AM YOU ARE THE LEGISLATIVE BODY OF THIS CITY.
10:14:30AM I HAVE BEEN SPEAKING WITH VARIOUS ITERATIONS OF THIS COUNCIL
10:14:33AM FOR SEVEN YEARS ABOUT THE -- THE AMENDMENTS TO THE ORDINANCE
10:14:38AM CONCERNING THE CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD.
10:14:40AM SO I THINK SEVEN YEARS IS ENOUGH VETTING FOR THAT THAT WE
10:14:43AM CAN FINALLY PUT IT TO A VOTE.
10:14:45AM THERE ARE DIFFERENT KINDS OF VOTER SUPPRESSION.
10:14:48AM THERE IS PREVENTING SOMEONE FROM REGISTERING TO VOTE.
10:14:52AM PREVENTING A REGISTERED VOTER FROM CASTING A BALLOT.
10:14:56AM AND THE KIND OF VOTER SUPPRESSION THAT WE SAW YESTERDAY WAS
10:15:00AM THE CONTENT OF THE BALLOT, TO MAKE SURE IT IS WHITE WASHED
10:15:03AM OF THINGS THAT WILL AFFECT THE OUTCOME OF THE VOTERS' LIVES.
10:15:11AM THINGS THAT EFFECT THEM.
10:15:12AM ABLE TO CAST A BALLOT THE THINGS THAT INVOLVE THEM IS NOT ON
10:15:16AM THAT BALLOT.
10:15:17AM A FORM OF VOTER SUPPRESSION AS WELL.
10:15:19AM I SEE SOME ASPIRING MAYORS IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW.
10:15:23AM I WANT TO SAY YOU ONLY GET ONE THIS MORNING.
10:15:25AM YOU ONLY GET ONE OPPORTUNITY TO EITHER STAND UP TO VOTER
10:15:29AM SUPPRESSION OR SIGN OFF ON IT.
10:15:31AM AND THE VOTERS WILL BE PAYING ATTENTION OF HOW YOU VOTE THIS
10:15:35AM MORNING.
10:15:35AM LET THE PEOPLE VOTE ON THIS ISSUE.
10:15:37AM LET THE PEOPLE VOTE ON ALL OF THESE ISSUES.
10:15:40AM I READ THAT EDITORIAL, AND IT JUST SAID A STRONG MAYOR FORM
10:15:45AM OF GOVERNMENT.
10:15:45AM AND I AM AFRAID SOME OF THESE MIGHT PASS AND I DON'T WANT
10:15:49AM THE VOTE TO HAVE THE WAY.
10:15:50AM I WILL BE DECIDING FOR THEM.
10:15:51AM SAID AD NAUSEAM BEHIND THIS PODIUM THAT STRONG MAYOR IS NOT
10:15:56AM TWO WORDS THAT APPEAR IN THE CHARTER ANYWHERE.
10:15:59AM THEY DON'T APPEAR IN ANY ORDINANCE.
10:16:00AM THERE IS PSEUDOSCIENCE AND ALSO PSEUDOLAW.
10:16:03AM THAT IS PSEUDOLAW.
10:16:05AM THERE IS NO SUCH THING.
10:16:06AM STRONG MAYOR IS A LEGAL TERM THAT MEANS THE EXECUTIVE IS
10:16:09AM ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE INSTEAD OF HIRED BY CITY COUNCIL WHOSE
10:16:14AM MAYOR IS WHOEVER THE CHAIR OF CITY COUNCIL, THE WEAK MAYOR
10:16:17AM FORM OF GOVERNMENT.
10:16:18AM THAT'S ALL IT MEANS.
10:16:19AM IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA IS GOVERNED BY A
10:16:23AM MONARCH WHO GETS TO DECIDE WHAT THE PEOPLE GET TO VOTE ON
10:16:26AM AND WHAT THE PEOPLE DON'T GET TO VOTE ON.
10:16:29AM YOU HAVE ONE SHOT THIS MORNING AT EITHER SIGNING OFF ON
10:16:32AM VOTER SUPPRESSION OR STANDING UP TO IT.
10:16:34AM I HAVE TO GO TO WORK, BUT I WILL BE WATCHING AND THE VOTERS
10:16:37AM WILL BE WATCHING.
10:16:38AM THANK YOU.
10:16:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:16:40AM [APPLAUSE]
10:16:43AM [GAVEL SOUNDING]
10:16:45AM >> HELLO, TAYLOR COOK.
10:16:46AM I AM A MEMBER OF TAMPA BAY COMMUNITY ACTION COMMITTEE AND I
10:16:50AM LIVE IN NORTH TAMPA OFF OF NEBRASKA AND BUSCH.
10:16:52AM AND I'M HERE TODAY TO SPEAK ABOUT THE MAYOR VETOING THE
10:16:58AM CHARTER AMENDMENTS YESTERDAY.
10:17:00AM NOT ONLY BECAUSE AS YOU ALTHOUGH, TAMPA BAY COMMUNITY ACTION
10:17:04AM COMMITTEE IS A HUGE SUPPORTER OF INDEPENDENT COUNSEL AND
10:17:07AM LETTING THE PEOPLE TO VOTE, BUT ALSO OTHER AMENDMENTS IN
10:17:10AM THAT CHARTER -- OR OTHER CHARTER AMENDMENTS THAT SHE VETOED
10:17:14AM THAT I ALSO THINK ARE VERY IMPORTANT LIKE I THINK THERE
10:17:16AM SHOULD BE TERM LIMITS.
10:17:18AM AND I THINK THAT A LOT OF THOSE THINGS SHOULD BE UP TO THE
10:17:21AM VOTERS.
10:17:21AM THEY EFFECT US.
10:17:22AM I THINK IT IS ALSO A SLAP IN THE FACE FOR PEOPLE THAT COME
10:17:26AM HERE VERY OFTEN TO SPEAK ON LETTING THE PEOPLE VOTE.
10:17:29AM AND ISSUES THAT WE CARE ABOUT AND THAT AFFECT US.
10:17:33AM I KNOW IN THE PAST THAC HAVE BEEN CALLED A FRINGE GROUP.
10:17:39AM WE ALL LIVE IN TAMPA.
10:17:41AM IT ALL AFFECTS US.
10:17:43AM WE ORGANIZE IN TAMPA AND WE REPRESENT PEOPLE IN TAMPA.
10:17:45AM AND PEOPLE IN TAMPA WANT POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY AND WANT A
10:17:49AM CHANCE TO VOTE.
10:17:50AM THEY WANT TO BE ALLOWED TO CHOOSE HOW OUR CITY IS RUN.
10:17:54AM AND THE MAYOR IS NOT ALLOWING THAT.
10:17:57AM BUT I THINK YOU GUYS CAN.
10:17:58AM AND WE REALLY HOPE THAT YOU WILL TODAY.
10:18:01AM SO THANK YOU.
10:18:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:18:03AM >> HELLO, DAVID JONES.
10:18:08AM I LIVE UP IN NORTH TAMPA, DISTRICT 7.
10:18:11AM I AM ALSO SPEAKING AND ASK THAT YOU OVERRIDE THE MAYOR'S
10:18:15AM VETO ON THOSE CHARTER AMENDMENTS.
10:18:17AM YOU KNOW, WHAT THE MAYOR DID YESTERDAY WAS KNEECAPPING
10:18:20AM DEMOCRACY.
10:18:21AM JUST PULLING THE RUG UNDERNEATH VOTERS HERE IN TAMPA YOU
10:18:25AM KNOW, IT IS DISRESPECTFUL TO US IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO
10:18:28AM DISRESPECTFUL TO Y'ALL.
10:18:30AM LIKE DISRESPECTFUL THAT EVERYDAY PEOPLE IN COMPANY IS
10:18:35AM GETTING UP IN THE CROSSHAIRS BETWEEN CITY COUNCIL AND THE
10:18:37AM MAYOR'S OFFICE AND WHATEVER NONSENSE Y'ALL HAVE BEEN UP TO
10:18:43AM THIS LAST YEAR.
10:18:44AM ULTIMATELY NOT WHAT ANY OF US CARE ABOUT IN THE CITY.
10:18:47AM WE CARE ABOUT REAL ACCOUNTABILITY.
10:18:49AM WE CARE ABOUT MAKING SURE OUR VOICES ARE HEARD WHEN IT COMES
10:18:53AM DOWN TO THESE LAWS THAT KEEP GETTING PASSED.
10:18:56AM LIKE OUR BUDDY WAS SAYING, FOLKS OUT HERE TALKING ABOUT THE
10:19:00AM PURE PROJECT AND NO ANY REAL UPDATES OR ANY REAL
10:19:03AM ACKNOWLEDGMENT WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING.
10:19:05AM PEOPLE HAVE BEEN UP HERE SINCE, WHAT, 2015 DEMANDING MORE
10:19:10AM POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY AND HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN AN OPPORTUNITY
10:19:12AM FOR, LIKE, OUR VOICES TO BE DIRECTLY HEARD.
10:19:16AM LIKE THIS BALLOT.
10:19:18AM PEOPLE HAVE BEEN UP HERE DEMANDING ACTUAL CHANGE.
10:19:22AM AND FOR THE MAYOR TO BE ABLE TO SIDESWIPE THAT ON A HIM WITH
10:19:27AM ESSENTIALLY OUT OF THE BLUE IS JUST, YOU KNOW, WRONG.
10:19:29AM IT IS WRONG FOR FOLKS WHO CLAIM TO, LIKE, LOVE AND RESPECT
10:19:34AM DEMOCRACY.
10:19:35AM WRONG FOR THOSE WHO CLAIM TO LOVE AND RESPECT THE PEOPLE
10:19:39AM THAT -- ROLL OVER IS NOT WORD.
10:19:42AM PEOPLE THAT THEY GOVERN OVER.
10:19:44AM SO I ASK THAT YOU OVERRIDE THAT BALLOT AND DO THE RIGHT
10:19:48AM THING.
10:19:48AM LET THE PEOPLE VOTE -- LET PEOPLE VOTE ON WHAT MATTERS TO
10:19:53AM THEM.
10:19:53AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
10:19:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:19:55AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:20:06AM AND MEMBER OF FLORIDA RISING.
10:20:08AM I'M HERE FOR THE FUNDING FOR THE R-3 PROGRAM.
10:20:11AM PEOPLE WHO STILL NEED FUNDING.
10:20:13AM I HAD COVID LAST YEAR AND I HAVE UP-AND-DOWN SYMPTOMS AND
10:20:18AM NOT ABLE TO WORK, AND I NEED ASSISTANCE FOR MY RENT.
10:20:21AM I HAD IT IN THE PAST, BUT I STILL NEED MORE ASSISTANCE.
10:20:25AM BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO BEING
10:20:28AM HOMELESS.
10:20:28AM I SLEPT IN MY CAR FOR MANY YEARS.
10:20:31AM I SLEPT AT PARKS, BEACH, LAUNDROMATS.
10:20:38AM I DON'T WANT TO GO THERE AGAIN.
10:20:40AM THIS PANDEMIC IS AN NATURAL DISASTER.
10:20:43AM NO PLAN FOR THAT LIKE HURRICANES AND TORNADOES.
10:20:46AM I THINK THIS SHOULD BE A CONTINUOUS THING UNTIL EVERYTHING
10:20:50AM COME BACK TO NORMAL WITH BY FUNDING US FOR HOUSING.
10:20:54AM A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT NEED IT.
10:20:56AM YOU KNOW THAT.
10:20:57AM SO THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT.
10:21:00AM I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO THE PARK.
10:21:03AM THANK YOU.
10:21:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:21:05AM >> HI, CARROLL ANN BENNETT, A LIFE -LONG RESIDENT OF TAMPA.
10:21:15AM I WANT TO TALK OF THE WORD "IM."
10:21:18AM THINK OF THE WORD "IMPACT" WHAT IT MEANS.
10:21:21AM WHEN PEOPLE MOVE TO THE CITY, THEY HAVE AN IMPACT.
10:21:24AM THEY HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
10:21:25AM THEY HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR COMMUNITIES.
10:21:27AM THAT IS WHY THE CITY AND THE COUNTY HAS IMPACT FEES.
10:21:30AM IT IS RIGHT THERE IN THE NAME.
10:21:33AM ONE OF THE IMPACTS OF THE NEW PEOPLE MOVING HERE IS THAT WE
10:21:37AM NEED MORE PUBLIC SAFETY RESOURCES.
10:21:40AM WE NEED NEW FIRE STATIONS.
10:21:42AM WE NEED NEW FIRE TRUCKS.
10:21:44AM WE NEED NEW PERSONNEL.
10:21:45AM AND THE POLICE NEEDN'T -- NEED THESE THINGS TOO.
10:21:50AM SO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MOVING HERE WHO ARE HAVING AN IMPACT
10:21:53AM ARE NOT PAYING FOR THE NEED THAT IS CREATED BY OUR IMPACT ON
10:22:00AM OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
10:22:01AM THE BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS WHO ARE IN BUSINESS TO MAKE A
10:22:05AM PROFIT ON THE BUILDING THAT -- WHERE THE PEOPLE COME AND
10:22:07AM MOVE INTO ARE NOT PAYING FOR THE IMPACT.
10:22:10AM I AM PAYING FOR THE IMPACT.
10:22:12AM I AM I LIVED HERE ALL MY LIFE AND SUB SI COYOTES --
10:22:24AM SUBSIDIZING.
10:22:25AM IF THE CRA HAS TONS OF MONEY AND I HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.
10:22:31AM AND EVERYBODY LIKE ME WHO PAYS INTO THE GENERAL FUND.
10:22:35AM MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO HAVE A PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT FEE
10:22:38AM BECAUSE THE PEOPLE MOVING HERE CREATE AN IMPACT.
10:22:41AM I WANT TO TALK OF THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS.
10:22:44AM I HAVE BEEN HERE OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
10:22:47AM I HAVE SEEN ON TV.
10:22:48AM I LOOKED ON YOUTUBE.
10:22:50AM I HAVE SEEN THE DISCUSSIONS OF THE CHARTER IMPACT -- THE
10:22:54AM CHARTER AMENDMENTS ON IF MONTHS AND MONTHS.
10:22:57AM A YEAR OR MORE IS WHAT IT IS.
10:23:00AM WE ALL HAD A CHANCE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED.
10:23:03AM YOU ALL VOTED ON IT.
10:23:05AM WE COUNT ON YOU TO BE INDEPENDENT.
10:23:09AM WE COUNT ON TO YOU DO WHAT YOU THINK IT RIGHT.
10:23:12AM WE COUNT ON YOU TO LISTEN TO US, BECAUSE UNLIKE THE MAYOR --
10:23:16AM THIS IS NOT A CRITICISM OF THE MAYOR, BUT UNLIKE THE MAYOR,
10:23:20AM CITIZENS, ANYBODY CAN COME BEFORE YOU, MULTIPLE TIMES A
10:23:23AM MONTH LIKE I AM DOING RIGHT NOW AND THEY CAN TELL YOU WHAT
10:23:25AM THEY CARE ABOUT AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS CITY.
10:23:28AM THEY CAN ALSO CALL MOST OF YOU AND MAKE AN APPOINTMENT AND
10:23:33AM YOU WILL SIT DOWN AND TALK TO THEM FACE TO FACE.
10:23:35AM THAT SORT OF ACCESS IS NOT AVAILABLE TO THE MAYOR.
10:23:39AM NOT A CRITICISM.
10:23:40AM SEVEN OF YOU BUT ONLY ONE OF HER.
10:23:42AM BUT YOU HAVE A MUCH BETTER IDEA OF WHAT IS GOING ON THE
10:23:47AM GROUND LEVEL IN THIS CITY BECAUSE YOU INTERACT WITH THE
10:23:54AM CITIZENS TO A MUCH GREATER DEGREE.
10:23:55AM WE NEED FOR YOU TO BE INDEPENDENT.
10:23:59AM WE NEED CHECKS AND BALANCES.
10:24:00AM PLENTY OF TIME TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
10:24:03AM WE ALL KNOW ABOUT IT.
10:24:05AM ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO KNOW ABOUT IT, KNOWS ABOUT IT.
10:24:08AM WE ARE ASKING YOU TO VOTE FOR THE RIGHT THING.
10:24:10AM THAT IS WHAT WE WANT FROM YOU.
10:24:12AM THAT IS WHAT WE EXPECT FROM YOU.
10:24:14AM THANK YOU.
10:24:14AM >> GOOD MORNING, ANY NAME IS STEPHANIE POYNOR.
10:24:26AM I LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA.
10:24:27AM EVERYBODY KNOWS I LIVE IN SOG, SOUTH OF GANDY.
10:24:31AM I WANT TO TALK ABOUT NUMBER 8 AND 9, AND IN PARTICULAR OUR
10:24:36AM PUBLIC SAFETY PROGRAMS.
10:24:37AM THIS NIFTY LITTLE MAP RIGHT HERE IS FROM THE FIRE FIGHTERS
10:24:40AM UNION.
10:24:43AM THIS IS FROM 2019, IT SAID WE NEED 15 NEW FIRE STATIONS.
10:24:47AM I PERSONALLY READ THE 2,000 PAGES OF THE TWO-YEAR BUDGET.
10:24:51AM NO FIRE STATION PLANNED.
10:24:52AM THIS SAYS WE NEED 15.
10:24:54AM I WATCHED CHIEF TRIPP COME UP HERE A WEEK OR SO AGO AND SAY
10:24:59AM THEY GAVE HER ALL THE DATA.
10:25:00AM AND EVERY OTHER DEPARTMENT IN THIS CITY, THEY HAVE SOMEBODY
10:25:04AM WHO DOES A STUDY AND A STUDY AND TO GIVE THEM A WAY FORWARD.
10:25:10AM CHIEF TRIPP IS A WONDERFUL FIRE CHIEF, BUT NOT A DATA
10:25:14AM ANALYSIS.
10:25:15AM THESE PEOPLE DID THE WORK.
10:25:16AM IT IS ALREADY DONE.
10:25:17AM YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO PAY FOR A STUDY IF YOU PAY ATTENTION
10:25:21AM TO THIS.
10:25:23AM 6330 NEW APARTMENTS SOUTH OF GANDY, SOUTH OF DALE MABRY, NOT
10:25:31AM ONE ADDITIONAL FIREMAN.
10:25:33AM WE DO NOT HAVE AN EMS UNIT IN OUR AREA.
10:25:37AM AND THIS ISN'T JUST OUR PROBLEM.
10:25:39AM I AM JUST -- I KNOW THE DATA AND THE NUMBERS FOR MY
10:25:42AM PARTICULAR AREA.
10:25:42AM IT'S THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY.
10:25:44AM I AM WONDERING WHY THIS ISN'T A TOP PRIORITY.
10:25:48AM AND THE SAFETY IMPACT FEES -- THE PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT FEES
10:25:52AM WERE ASKED FOR INITIALLY IN 2021 BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:25:56AM I AM SORRY, CHIEF BENNETT, I LOVE YOU MA'AM, YOU GOT UP HERE
10:26:00AM AND SAID WE DIDN'T NEED THEM.
10:26:01AM I VERY, VERY DISTINCTLY REMEMBER THAT.
10:26:04AM AND IT HURT MY HEART AT THAT POINT.
10:26:06AM THESE IMPACT FEES, WHEN YOU HAVE 6300 APARTMENTS THAT ARE
10:26:11AM FOUR-STORY UNITS THAT WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE FOUR-STORY UNITS
10:26:15AM WHEN STARTED THIS BUILDING SOUTH OF GANDY.
10:26:17AM FOUR-STORY PLYWOOD BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEING BUILT, AND WE
10:26:22AM HAVE NO ADDITIONAL FIRE RESOURCES.
10:26:24AM WHAT HAPPENS WHEN ONE OF THEM CATCHES ON FIRE.
10:26:27AM SERIOUSLY.
10:26:28AM SOMETHING TO VERY SERIOUSLY CONSIDER.
10:26:31AM AND THEY ARE FALLING APART.
10:26:32AM I HAVE TAKEN SEVERAL FOLKS ON TOURS, AND THEY ARE LITERALLY
10:26:36AM FALLING APART ANDER IN -- THEY ARE NO MORE THAN FIVE YEARS
10:26:39AM OLD.
10:26:39AM WE HAVE TO START HOLDING PEOPLE'S FEET TO THE FIRE.
10:26:42AM IT HAS TO HAPPEN.
10:26:44AM PUBLIC SAFETY IS IMPORTANT.
10:26:45AM AND IT IS OBVIOUSLY NOT IN THE BUDGET.
10:26:48AM SO WHERE -- WHY ARE WE NOT SPENDING THIS MONEY ON THIS?
10:26:52AM THIS IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
10:26:54AM WE HAD A GENTLEMAN WHO DIED IN SOUTH TAMPA RECENTLY BECAUSE
10:26:57AM -- AND WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET THE FOLKS DOWN THERE.
10:26:59AM HE PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE MADE IT ANYWAY, BUT THAT IS NOT
10:27:03AM THE POINT.
10:27:03AM I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT ON THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS, I AM
10:27:07AM SORRY, THE MAYOR SHOULD BE HERE.
10:27:09AM IF SHE SAYS NO SHE NEEDS TO WOMAN UP AND WALK OVER HERE AND
10:27:12AM SAY IT TO TO EVERYBODY'S FACE.
10:27:15AM >> THAT'S RIGHT!
10:27:18AM [GAVEL SOUNDING]
10:27:20AM >> GOOD MORNING, KEELA McCASKILL.
10:27:22AM I ECHO, WOMAN UP AND WALK OVER.
10:27:25AM BASED ON THIS LATEST VETO, IT REALLY GIVES ME AS A NATIVE,
10:27:30AM AS A CITIZEN HERE IN TAMPA, I FEEL LIKE IT REALLY DOESN'T
10:27:34AM MATTER WHAT I WANT AS A COMMUNITY MEMBER.
10:27:36AM IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS.
10:27:38AM IT ELEMENTS GIVES YOU A FEELING THAT YOU ARE A SECOND-CLASS
10:27:42AM CITIZEN.
10:27:42AM I COME TO THE REALIZATION ANY HOPES TO BE HEARD.
10:27:45AM TO GET A MESSAGE OUT OR THE DESIRES OF THE COMMUNITY THAT I
10:27:48AM HEARD FROM IN THE COMMUNITY, THAT COMES FROM HERE.
10:27:50AM I CAN PARTICIPATE.
10:27:51AM I CAN INTERACT WITH YOU ALL.
10:27:52AM I CAN CALL.
10:27:53AM YOU LISTEN.
10:27:54AM YOU SIT THERE, YOU RESPOND AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
10:27:56AM I WANT TO SAY TO YOU AS DISRESPECTFUL IT WAS TO VETO THAT
10:28:01AM AND NOT COME IT THE COMMUNITY.
10:28:02AM AT LEAST ACT LIKE YOU GIVE -- TO HEAR WHAT WE SAY.
10:28:08AM I AM SURE SHE MET WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY AND TOLD YOU WHAT TO
10:28:11AM DO.
10:28:11AM IT DIDN'T TAKE YOUR INPUT.
10:28:12AM SHE TOLD YOU WHAT SHE WAS GOING TO DO.
10:28:15AM AS DISRESPECTFUL, JANE KNOWS WE WILL BE THE MAYOR FOR THE
10:28:19AM NEXT FOUR YEARS AND SUFFER -- I MEANT TO SAY JANE.
10:28:22AM I KNOW DISRESPECTFUL.
10:28:24AM I FEEL LIKE SHE SLAPPED ME IN THE FACE.
10:28:26AM THIS IS A SLAP BACK.
10:28:27AM I THINK THIS IS NECESSARY.
10:28:28AM IT WILL COME FROM YOU HERE.
10:28:30AM FROM YOU ALL TO BE HEARD.
10:28:32AM WE ALREADY KNOW A STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT, BUT WE
10:28:35AM NEED COUNCILMEMBERS THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PEOPLE.
10:28:37AM I BELIEVE MOST OF YOU -- YOU DO CARE WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY.
10:28:40AM YOU DO CARE WHAT WE WANT.
10:28:42AM YOU UNDERSTAND YOU ARE THE PERSON THAT HELPS MAKE THESE
10:28:45AM THINGS HAPPEN.
10:28:46AM SHE ALREADY KNOWS SHE IS GOING TO BE THE MAYOR, BUT SOME OF
10:28:49AM YOU IS QUESTIONABLE.
10:28:50AM IF WE DON'T SEE THE LEADER IN YOU TODAY, WHY DO WE NEED YOU.
10:28:55AM WE ARE LOOKING FOR LEADERS.
10:28:57AM WE ARE LOOKING FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT AFRAID.
10:28:59AM WE ARE LOOKING FOR PEOPLE WHO CAN STAND FLAT-FOOTED, LOOK
10:29:03AM HER IN THE EYE AND SAY WHAT IS BEST FOR THE PEOPLE.
10:29:05AM EVERYBODY HAS TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR SOMEBODY.
10:29:07AM I SUBMIT SHE SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE TO US AND SHOULD
10:29:11AM CERTAINLY BE ACCOUNTABLE TO YOU ALL.
10:29:12AM I AM TELLING YOU TODAY THAT WE ARE WATCHING.
10:29:14AM ALL OF YOU NEED VOTES IF YOU WANT TO WIN.
10:29:17AM WE WANT TO SEE TODAY.
10:29:18AM WE WANT TO SEE THAT LEADER TODAY BEFORE WE VOTE YOU IN.
10:29:21AM WE WANT TO SEE LEADERSHIP TODAY.
10:29:23AM THANK YOU
10:29:23AM [APPLAUSE]
10:29:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:29:27AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:29:35AM ROBIN LOCKETT.
10:29:36AM I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID THUS FAR.
10:29:41AM WHY NOT -- WHY NOT LET THE PEOPLE VOTE?
10:29:45AM IT BAFFLES ME.
10:29:46AM I HAVE BEEN IN HERE -- I WAS HERE IN FEBRUARY WHEN PURE WAS
10:29:50AM HERE AND THE 17 QUESTIONS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE ANSWERED.
10:29:54AM FROM WHAT I HEAR NOW, NOTHING HAS OCCURRED.
10:29:58AM I WAS HERE THROUGHOUT THE TIME OF THE DISCUSSION AROUND
10:30:02AM CHARTER.
10:30:02AM THE CHARTER REVISION.
10:30:04AM PROUD THAT YOU VOTED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:30:07AM I HAVE A LOT OF STUFF WRITTEN DOWN, BUT MY CHALLENGE TO YOU,
10:30:10AM HOW ARE YOU GOING TO CHANGE YOUR VOTE.
10:30:11AM IF YOU VOTED ONE TIME, ONE WAY, WHY NOT BE CONSISTENT.
10:30:16AM SO WE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.
10:30:19AM IF YOU VOTE, YOU STAND BY YOUR VOTE.
10:30:21AM WE NEED CONSISTENCY.
10:30:24AM WE NEED A COMMITMENT.
10:30:25AM LIKE I ALWAYS TELL YOU GUYS, ONE PERSON DOES NOT RULE.
10:30:29AM WHAT WAS SAID PREVIOUSLY, WE PUT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU
10:30:35AM IN OFFICE.
10:30:35AM YOU ARE GOING TO LOOK FOR OUR SUPPORT ON MARCH 7.
10:30:38AM YOU ARE GOING TO LOOK FOR OUR SUPPORT MARCH 7.
10:30:43AM HOW ARE YOU GOING TO HANDLE IT?
10:30:45AM HOW ARE YOU GOING TO HANDLE WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW?
10:30:53AM FOR EACH AMENDMENT THAT WAS PRESENTED, I AM SO CURIOUS TO
10:30:58AM SEE HOW BRAVE YOU ARE TO STAND BY YOUR VOTE.
10:31:02AM TO STAND BY YOUR VOTE.
10:31:04AM REGARDLESS OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU HAD.
10:31:07AM BECAUSE I HEARD YOU HAVE CONVERSATIONS ON FRIDAY ABOUT THIS
10:31:10AM WITH ONE BY ONE.
10:31:12AM BUT HOW DO YOU STAND -- YOU STAND UP TO ONE PERSON OR STAND
10:31:17AM UP TO THE COMMUNITY.
10:31:17AM THE COMMUNITY YOU COME OUT AND BEG FOR A VOTE.
10:31:19AM SO WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH -- I AM ANXIOUS TO SEE WHAT
10:31:25AM HAPPENS TODAY.
10:31:26AM WITH REGARDS TO YOUR VOTE.
10:31:28AM THANK YOU.
10:31:37AM >> HI, SIMON ROWE.
10:31:39AM AND I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE TWO MONTHS BEFORE OF THE
10:31:42AM MUNICIPAL ELECTION ON MARCH 7, WE HAD MAYOR DECIDE TO VETO
10:31:48AM REFERENDUMS THAT YOU ALL AS A COLLECTIVE HAVE PASSED.
10:31:51AM FRANKLY READING YESTERDAY'S OP-ED WAS A SUR FREEZE TO ME AS
10:31:56AM I AM SURE TO ALL OF YOU.
10:31:57AM IT WAS ALSO A SURPRISE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THESE THE VIDEOEYOS
10:32:01AM COME -- BE CLAIMED TO BE ABOUT TRANSPARENCY.
10:32:05AM WHAT IS TRAN PARENT OF RELEASING AN OP-ED ON A WEDNESDAY
10:32:10AM MORNING.
10:32:10AM NOT TELLING CITY COUNCIL, NOT TELLING THE COMMUNITY FIRST,
10:32:13AM AND MAKING -- OVERRIDE A DECISION THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY
10:32:17AM WANTED.
10:32:18AM THAT CITY COUNCIL WAS OKAY WITH.
10:32:21AM SHE OVERRODE ALL OF US HERE.
10:32:23AM AND TO CALL THAT TRANSPARENCY.
10:32:25AM WHAT IS TRANSPARENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING SECRET
10:32:30AM CLOSED-DOOR MEETINGS BEFORE YOU ALL WERE ABLE TO VOTE ON THE
10:32:34AM INDEPENDENT COUNSEL REFERENDUM.
10:32:39AM THE MAYOR IS NOT LETTING US OPERATE IN THE TIME OF DAY TO
10:32:44AM HAVE INPUT.
10:32:44AM TRYING TO SUPPLEMENT YOUR DECISIONS AND THE WILL OF THE
10:32:48AM PEOPLE TO OBSTRUCT OUR RIGHTS OF DEMOCRACY AND DECIDE HOW
10:32:52AM THE CITY OF TAMPA IS RUN.
10:32:53AM WE ARE HERE TODAY BECAUSE WE ARE ASKING THAT REFERENDUMS
10:32:58AM LIKE THIS DO NOT DIE IN THE DARK.
10:33:00AM WE WANT TO HAVE MORE OF AN INPUT IN THE CITY AND WE TALK OF
10:33:03AM COMING TO CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS.
10:33:05AM HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN SPEAK IN ONE DAY, MAYBE 50, IF WE TALK
10:33:09AM FAST.
10:33:09AM THOUSAND OF PEOPLE VOTE IN ELECTIONS.
10:33:13AM THIS IS A CHANCE TO GET AN UNPRECEDENTED LEVEL OF INPUT ON
10:33:17AM THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD AND HOW THE CITY OF TAMPA
10:33:19AM FUNCTIONS AND I AM KIND OF DIRECTORS GUSTED THAT OUR MAYOR
10:33:26AM IS TRYING TO SHUT ALL OF THAT DOWN, KILL IT BEFORE IT EVEN
10:33:30AM GETS TO THE ELECTION.
10:33:31AM I AM ASKING YOU DON'T LET IT DIE.
10:33:33AM DON'T LET IT DIE IN SILENCE ON A RANDOM WEDNESDAY IN
10:33:36AM JANUARY.
10:33:37AM LET THIS CONTINUE TO THE BALLOT SO PEOPLE CAN VOTE WHETHER
10:33:42AM OR NOT THEY CAN BE HERE.
10:33:42AM LET US HAVE AN INPUT ON HOW THE CRB IS RUN AND ALSO THAT
10:33:47AM OTHER REFERENDUM ON ELECTING DEPARTMENT HEADS SO WE DON'T
10:33:51AM HAVE A REPEAT OF THE EMBARRASSMENT OF FORMER POLICE CHIEF
10:33:56AM O'CONNOR.
10:33:57AM AND NATIONAL LEVEL EMBARRASSMENT OF A DEPARTMENT HEAD, YOU
10:34:01AM KNOW, MAY HAVE GONE ABUSED HER POWER IN OFFICE.
10:34:07AM WE ARE SICK OF SEEING THESE ABUSES OF POWER DECIDING WHAT IS
10:34:11AM BEST FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
10:34:12AM WE CAN SPEAK FOR OURSELVES.
10:34:13AM WE CAN VOTE FOR OURSELVES.
10:34:15AM WE DON'T LIKE BEING TALKED OVER.
10:34:17AM WE ARE THE ONES WHO GIVE TRANSPARENCY.
10:34:20AM IT IS NOT APPOINTED FROM ABOVE.
10:34:23AM SO PLEASE STAND WITH DEMOCRACY HERE.
10:34:27AM I HOPE YOU VOTE TO OVERTURN THIS VETO SO THE ENTIRE
10:34:31AM COMMUNITY THAT YOU WERE SERVING WILL DECIDE.
10:34:37AM THANK YOU.
10:34:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:34:38AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:34:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GOOD MORNING.
10:34:43AM >> NICE TO SEE YOU.
10:34:45AM WHOEVER WROTE THAT OP-ED FOR MAYOR CASTOR YESTERDAY WAS --
10:34:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. BENJAMIN, WE ALL KNOW WHO YOU ARE BUT
10:34:57AM FOR THE RECORD, GIVE YOUR NAME.
10:34:58AM >> YES, FOR YOUR RECORD, MR. SHELBY, KELLY BENJAMIN, 504
10:35:04AM FERN STREET.
10:35:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:35:06AM >> WHOEVER WROTE THAT OP-ED WAS SKILLED IN ORWELLIAN DOUBLE
10:35:12AM SPEAK AND I KNOW THE COUNCIL CERTAINLY SEES THROUGH IT.
10:35:15AM THE MAYOR WROTE, OUR VOTERS DESERVE BETTER WHILE DENYING THE
10:35:19AM CITIZENS THE RIGHT TO VOTE ON ISSUES THAT WILL IMPACT THEIR
10:35:23AM LIVES AND THEIR COMMUNITIES.
10:35:25AM IT IS UNBELIEVABLE.
10:35:27AM I KNOW THE CITY COUNCIL SEES THROUGH THAT.
10:35:30AM A RUSHED AND HAPHAZARD PROCESS.
10:35:33AM I SAT AND WATCHED THESE COUNCIL MEETINGS FOR MONTHS.
10:35:36AM IT WAS A LONG, ARDUOUS PROCESS.
10:35:39AM WE WHERE YOU LISTENED TO THE COMMUNITY AND YOU CONSIDERED
10:35:43AM WHAT PEOPLE WERE TELLING YOU.
10:35:44AM THIS VETO IS CLEARLY AN ATTEMPT, AS WAS SAID PREVIOUSLY, AT
10:35:50AM VOTER SUPPRESSION.
10:35:50AM AND THIS COUNCIL CAN EITHER SIGN OFF ON THAT, OR YOU CAN
10:35:54AM STAND UP FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY WHO HAVE BEEN PUSHING
10:35:57AM FOR TRANSPARENCY, FOR DIALOGUE AND OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN
10:36:02AM ON THESE IMPORTANT ISSUES.
10:36:05AM YOU CAN STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT AND NOT GO ALONG.
10:36:13AM AS I TOAD YOU FOR A POWER MAD MAYOR THAT TARGETS MEMBERS OF
10:36:17AM CITY COUNCIL WHEN YOU DEFY HER.
10:36:19AM THIS IS A MAYOR THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR BIKING WHILE BLACK
10:36:25AM AND DEPENDING THE RENTING WHILE BLACK PROGRAM, THE
10:36:28AM CRIME-FREE MULTIHOUSING PROGRAM.
10:36:30AM AND SHE WENT AGAINST THE VOICE OF THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY
10:36:34AM AND THE ADVICE OF COUNSEL, AND HIRED A POLICE CHIEF, MARY
10:36:39AM O'CONNOR AND WE ALL KNOW HOW THAT WENT.
10:36:42AM I URGE YOU TODAY, THE SUPERMAJORITY OF YOU, TO PLEASE ALLOW
10:36:48AM THE PEOPLE TO VOTE.
10:36:52AM AS MAYOR CASTOR SAYS, THE VOTERS DESERVE BETTER.
10:36:56AM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:36:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:36:58AM OH, MAN.
10:37:00AM JOE ROBINSON.
10:37:02AM IN 24 HOURS, IT WILL ALL BE SET UP.
10:37:08AM 24 HOURS.
10:37:09AM THE LAST CALL.
10:37:11AM 24 HOURS.
10:37:13AM 12 NOON, WE ARE GOING TO KNOW WHAT'S UP, WHAT'S DOWN AND
10:37:18AM SOME PEOPLE MIGHT BE ON THERE LEGALLY.
10:37:19AM WE ARE LOOKING INTO THAT.
10:37:21AM SO YOU BETTER GET YOUR STUFF BETWEEN 12 NOON FRIDAY.
10:37:26AM WARNING.
10:37:26AM TWO TO THREE SIDES TO EVERY STORY.
10:37:31AM THIS IS THE WORST TIME TO BE RUNNING FOR OFFICE RIGHT NOW.
10:37:35AM THE WORST TIME TO BE RUNNING FOR OFFICE.
10:37:37AM MAN, I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU.
10:37:40AM THAT IS WHAT I AM TELLING YOU.
10:37:42AM I AM GOING TO SIT HERE AND GET MY -- EACH TIME YOU POP UP TO
10:37:46AM TALK ABOUT THOSE ORDINANCES INSTEAD OF GETTING CONSOLIDATED
10:37:50AM INTO THREE MINUTES.
10:37:51AM BUT I'M HERE TO SAY THAT HOPEFULLY AT 12 NOON TOMORROW, WE
10:37:58AM WILL KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.
10:37:59AM WE KNOW WHO IS IN.
10:38:00AM WHO IS OUT.
10:38:01AM WE WILL SHOW THE SLATE.
10:38:03AM WE WILL KNOW WHAT WE GOT OUT THERE TO CHOOSE FROM.
10:38:05AM WHAT WE GOT TO CHOOSE FROM.
10:38:07AM AND THE TICKET IS REAL SLIM.
10:38:10AM WHO CONTEST IT AND A AIN'T.
10:38:13AM SO I WANT TO TELL YOU GUYS THAT I DON'T HAVE NO ISSUES WITH
10:38:18AM THE CITY.
10:38:18AM WHEN I DO, I TAKE CARE OF THEM, RIGHT, MR. BENNETT.
10:38:22AM WE PRAY ON IT.
10:38:23AM BOTTOM LINE IS THAT I WILL BE COMING BACK -- IT IS BEING
10:38:29AM MONITORED RATHER CLOSELY.
10:38:30AM RATHER POLITICALLY.
10:38:34AM AND THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT AIN'T SAYING THAT RIGHT NOW.
10:38:37AM I'M HERE TO TELL YOU.
10:38:39AM EVERYBODY UP THERE WILL BE CHECKED BACK.
10:38:41AM SO IF YOU ARE FILLING OUT A FORM 6, YOU BETTER MAKE SURE
10:38:46AM YOUR DOTTING YOUR Is AND CARROTING YOUR Ts.
10:38:53AM I AM TELLING YOU.
10:38:53AM SEASON WILL START 24 HOURS.
10:38:55AM GOOD LUCK TO ALL OF YOU UP THERE.
10:38:58AM DO WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO AND BE AWARE THAT THERE ARE
10:39:01AM CONSEQUENCES.
10:39:02AM THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES IN THIS PARTICULAR ELECTION.
10:39:05AM THIS IS NOT LIKE ANY ELECTION THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN SINCE I
10:39:10AM HAVE BEEN IN TAMPA FOR OVER 60 SOME YEARS.
10:39:13AM THIS IS DIFFERENT.
10:39:14AM THIS IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE HAVE GOT DIFFERENT ISSUES.
10:39:18AM YOU CAN HEAR THE PUBLIC IS UPSET.
10:39:20AM YOU CAN HEAR THE ADMINISTRATION IS UPSET.
10:39:23AM YOU CAN HEAR COUNCIL IS UPSET.
10:39:26AM EVERYBODY IS UPSET.
10:39:27AM AIRPORT NOBODY WILL GET WHAT THEY WANT, I CAN TELL YOU THAT.
10:39:31AM NOBODY WILL GET WHAT THEY WANT FULLY.
10:39:35AM CALLED THE COMPROMISE.
10:39:37AM CALLED DO YOUR BEST OUT HERE.
10:39:40AM SOME OF Y'ALL WILL PROBABLY BE SEEN OVER AT THE -- AT THE
10:39:46AM CLUB LUNCHEON, I GUESS AT THE CUBAN CLUB.
10:39:49AM BUT I WANT TO TELL YOU, BE CAREFUL.
10:39:52AM MAKE SURE THAT FORM 6 IS CORRECT AND DOT YOUR Is AND CROSS
10:39:58AM YOUR Ts, PLEASE.
10:40:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DO WE HAVE ANYONE LEFT IN CHAMBERS WHO
10:40:07AM WISHES TO SPEAK TO PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME?
10:40:10AM I BELIEVE WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE ONLINE?
10:40:13AM JUST ONE.
10:40:14AM THANK YOU.
10:40:14AM >>CLERK: MR. RANDOLPH, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, PLEASE UNMUTE
10:40:22AM YOURSELF.
10:40:23AM >> HELLO, GOOD MORNING.
10:40:25AM MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH AND WITH THE WEST TAMPA
10:40:28AM COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COOPERATION.
10:40:29AM FIRST, I WANT TO START OFF WITH THE SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT AND
10:40:33AM THEN I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE WEST TAMPA CAC.
10:40:37AM THE SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT IS, I AM NO LONGER EATING EGGS.
10:40:41AM PAY $44 A MONTH JUST TO EAT EGGS.
10:40:44AM SO NO LONGER EATING EGGS.
10:40:47AM I HAD TO GET THAT IN.
10:40:48AM RELATED TO THE WEST TAMPA CAC.
10:40:51AM ON SEPTEMBER AT 7 P.M., WE WILL BE DOING OUR NEXT
10:40:56AM COMMUNITY-WIDE MEETING TALKING ABOUT THE PLAN FOR 2023 TO
10:41:04AM 2028.
10:41:04AM AMONG THE TOPICS WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT AND WHAT IS ON
10:41:09AM EVERYBODY'S MIND THE WEST TAMPA PUBLIC SAFETY INITIATIVE
10:41:12AM THAT WILL FOCUS ON ENDING THE SCHOOL-TO-PRISON PIPELINE FOR
10:41:17AM AT-RISK YOUTH TO BE RETURNING CITIZENS.
10:41:21AM TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO, I TALKED OF THE INFLUX OF GUNS
10:41:26AM THAT IS COMING.
10:41:26AM AS A RESULT OF THE PROGRAM.
10:41:31AM BASE ON WHAT THEY ARE SAYING, MORE GUNS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD
10:41:35AM NOW THAN ANY OTHER TIME BEFORE.
10:41:37AM YOU HAVE KIDS GOING TO SCHOOL WITH GUNS.
10:41:39AM YOU GOT KIDS KILLING EACH OTHER.
10:41:41AM THE WEST TAMPA PUBLIC SAFETY INITIATIVE IS GOING TO FOCUS ON
10:41:45AM THAT, SPECIFICALLY GENERATION Z AND GENERATIONAL IF A.
10:41:50AM GENERATION ALFA WAS BORN BETWEEN 2010 AND 2023.
10:41:57AM AND THESE PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO BE ONES THAT COMMIT THE
10:42:00AM MOST NOTORIOUS VIOLENCE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:42:02AM THE OTHER THING WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE BEST TAMPA
10:42:07AM COMMUNITY BASE AND E COMMERCIAL AND LOOKING AT WORKING WITH
10:42:11AM OVER 100 RESIDENTS OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS TO START THEIR
10:42:16AM HOME-BASED E COMMERCIAL BUSINESS.
10:42:18AM ALSO THOSE CONCERNS COMING FROM THE COMMUNITY RELATED TO THE
10:42:21AM WEST TAMPA CHANGE IN SCHOOL SYSTEM.
10:42:24AM WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A SUPERINTENDENT TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE
10:42:27AM RELATED TO WEST TAMPA SCHOOLS.
10:42:29AM THE OTHER THING WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS THE -- IS THE
10:42:36AM WEST TAMPA CRA AND FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR RESIDENTS,
10:42:41AM COMMUNITY GROUPS, BUSINESSES AND ETC.
10:42:43AM WE ALSO WANT TO TALK OF THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FLORIDA
10:42:47AM DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IN WHICH WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
10:42:49AM OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, HUNDRED OF JOBS THAT WILL BE
10:42:53AM CREATED FOR RESIDENTS IN WEST TAMPA, BUT ALSO BUSINESSES WHO
10:42:56AM WILL CONNECT THOSE BUSINESSES ALSO TO THE INITIATIVE.
10:43:00AM THE OTHER THING WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT IS WITH THE WEST
10:43:09AM TAMPA COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT INITIATIVE.
10:43:12AM OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, WE WILL BE HAVING THE FOCUS GROUP
10:43:16AM OF WHAT WAS 300 RESIDENTS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS IT THAT THEY
10:43:19AM WANT TO SEE, RENTAL, HOMEOWNERS, YOUTH, OUT-OF-WORK PEOPLE
10:43:28AM AND THOSE ON FIXED INCOME AND DO A FOLLOW-UP ON THE
10:43:32AM COMMUNITY.
10:43:35AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:43:36AM HAVE A GREAT DAY.
10:43:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. RANDOLPH.
10:43:39AM AGAIN, ANYONE ELSE ONLINE OR IN CHAMBERS THAT WISHES TO
10:43:44AM SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT?
10:43:47AM THANK YOU.
10:43:47AM THEN I SUGGEST WE GET RIGHT TO THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS.
10:43:55AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL
10:44:22AM ATTORNEY.
10:44:23AM FOR THE RECORD WHAT I PASSED OUT FOR CITY COUNCIL AND COPY
10:44:25AM TO THE CLERK AND A COPY TO THE LEGAL IS THE SUMMARY AND
10:44:31AM MINUTES OF THE JANUARY 5, 2023 COUNCIL MEETING WHEREIN
10:44:38AM COUNCIL TOOK ACTION ON ITEM 81-85, RELATIVE TO THE FIVE --
10:44:45AM EXCUSE ME 84, RELATIVE TO THE FIVE ORDINANCES BEING
10:44:49AM PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION.
10:44:52AM YOU HAVE RECEIVED A MEMO FROM THE MAYOR WITHIN THE 14 DAYS
10:44:56AM AS SET FORTH IN THE CHARTER.
10:44:58AM IT IS NOW -- IT IS NOW BEFORE YOU FOR RECONSIDERATION.
10:45:07AM AND MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT EACH ORDINANCE BE PRESENTED
10:45:11AM INDIVIDUALLY.
10:45:14AM BEING READ BY TITLE BEFORE YOU TAKE FINAL ACTION AS COUNCIL
10:45:19AM HAS AGREED TO TAKE ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT IF THERE IS
10:45:22AM ANY AND IF THERE IS ANY INPUT FROM THE ADMINISTRATION AS
10:45:26AM WELL OR LEGAL, THAT WOULD BE THE TIME TO BE ABLE TO
10:45:28AM RECOGNIZE THEM AND MOVE FORWARD IF YOU WISH SPECIFICALLY, BY
10:45:37AM THE WAY, FOR THE PURPOSES OF YOUR CONSIDERING, PROVIDED YOU
10:45:43AM THIS -- A SUMMARY IN THE MINUTES BECAUSE WHAT THEY DO
10:45:46AM CONTAIN, IS THEY DO CONTAIN -- I WILL CONFIRM THAT WITH THE
10:45:49AM CLERK -- THEY DO CONTAIN THE ORDINANCE ABOUT I TITLE THAT
10:45:53AM HAVE TO BE READ FROM TITLE ONLY AND YOU HAVE THAT IN FRONT
10:45:56AM OF YOU FOR ALL THE ORDINANCES AND THE VOTES THAT WERE
10:46:00AM RECORDED FOR THOSE INDIVIDUAL ORDINANCES ON JANUARY 5.
10:46:03AM THANK YOU.
10:46:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:46:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK: MY ONLY QUESTION IS -- OBVIOUSLY THIS IS NOT
10:46:10AM A SECOND READING.
10:46:11AM ANY SPECIAL LANGUAGE WE NEED TO USE WHEN -- WHEN MAKING THE
10:46:15AM MOTION?
10:46:17AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, IN THAT IT IS IN FRONT OF YOU FOR
10:46:20AM RECONSIDERATION AS PRAISED BY THE CHARTER UNDER SECTION
10:46:28AM 2.10, MY SUGGESTION IS THAT YOU JUST MOVE IT AS -- ON
10:46:34AM RECONSIDERATION AND READ THE TITLE BY ONLY.
10:46:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO OPEN.
10:46:40AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: AGAIN, COUNCIL, SO YOU AND THE PUBLIC KNOW
10:46:43AM PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 2.10 OF THE CHARTER A TWO-THIRDS
10:46:47AM AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF ALL MEMBERS IS REQUIRED.
10:46:50AM 37 AND, AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE A SUPERMAJORITY OR FIVE OR MORE
10:46:56AM VOTES.
10:46:56AM AGAIN, ANYTHING -- A VOTE FOR OF FOUR AND FEWER WILL SUSTAIN
10:47:02AM THE MAYORAL VETO.
10:47:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCIL, WILL YOU PLEASE INDULGE ME.
10:47:07AM MISS ZELMAN.
10:47:09AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: GOOD MORNING, ANDREA ZELMAN, LEGAL
10:47:22AM DEPARTMENT.
10:47:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, YOU ARE THE CITY ATTORNEY.
10:47:26AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: CORRECT.
10:47:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE TWO BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT, THE
10:47:31AM EXECUTIVE AND LEGISLATIVE.
10:47:33AM WE ARE THE LEGISLATIVE BODY.
10:47:35AM WE HAVE THE ABILITY BY ORDINANCE OR BY RESOLUTION TO CHANGE
10:47:44AM OUR LAWS AND ORDINANCES, TO CHANGE OUR CODES, TO MAKE
10:47:50AM CHANGES TO HOW THIS GOVERNMENT IS RUN.
10:47:53AM WE HAVE THAT POWER.
10:47:54AM THAT IS OUR DUTY TO OUR CITIZENS.
10:47:59AM I ASKED BEFORE.
10:48:02AM I WASN'T HAPPY WITH THE ANSWER.
10:48:03AM I AM ASKING YOU.
10:48:07AM DOES THIS CITY COUNCIL HAVE THE POWERS THROUGH ORDINANCE OR
10:48:16AM THROUGH RESOLUTION TO DO THE SAME CHANGES THAT WE -- THAT WE
10:48:24AM HAVE PROPOSED THEREBY SETTING INTO MOTION THAT THESE CHANGES
10:48:30AM WILL NOT HAVE TO GO TO THE BALLOT AND THEY CAN TAKE EFFECT
10:48:34AM IN THREE WEEKS, GIVE OR TAKE A FEW DAYS.
10:48:37AM DO WE HAVE THAT POWER, THE LEGISLATIVE POWER TO JUST ENACT
10:48:42AM ALL THESE THINGS BY ORDINANCE OR BY RESOLUTION?
10:48:45AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: YES.
10:48:46AM I WOULD AGREE WITH ONE EXCEPTION, THAT BEING THE TERM LIMITS
10:48:50AM AND I WILL GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE.
10:48:52AM BUT, YES, I AGREE THAT THE OTHER PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENTS
10:48:58AM CAN ALL BE ADDRESSED BY CODE AMENDMENTS OR BY RESOLUTION OF
10:49:01AM CITY COUNCIL.
10:49:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMEMBERS, CARPE DIEM.
10:49:07AM SEIZE THE MOMENT.
10:49:08AM AS THE ATTORNEY FOR THE ACLU AND I WILL PARAPHRASE, YOU
10:49:16AM NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO HAPPEN AT THE ELECTIONS.
10:49:18AM AS MR. LOCKET SAID, AND I WILL PARAPHRASE, IF WE MAKE THESE
10:49:28AM LAWS AND ORDINANCES.
10:49:31AM IF WE SET THESE LAWS IN MOTION TO ACHIEVE WHAT WE ARE TRYING
10:49:34AM TO ACHIEVE, COUNCILMEMBERS, IF WE WOULD DONE THAT TWO WEEKS
10:49:39AM AGO, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE TODAY.
10:49:41AM WE, THE CITY COUNCIL, LADIES -- LADY AND GENTLEMEN,
10:49:48AM COUNCILMEMBERS HAVE THE POWER TO TODAY SAY WE WANT TO
10:49:52AM ACHIEVE THESE THINGS THROUGH ORDINANCES OR THROUGH
10:49:55AM RESOLUTIONS.
10:49:55AM LET'S SHOW OUR BACKBONE.
10:49:57AM LET'S STAND UP FOR THE CITIZENS WANT US TO DO AND LET'S PUT
10:50:04AM THIS INTO EFFECT STARTING WITH MAKING MOTIONS ON RESOLUTIONS
10:50:09AM AND ORDINANCES TODAY.
10:50:11AM CARPE DIEM.
10:50:16AM SEIZE THE MOMENT.
10:50:17AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:50:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHILE I APPRECIATE THAT, WE ACTUALLY GOT
10:50:23AM QUITE A FEW BACK AND FORTH WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD DO THIS
10:50:26AM BY ORDINANCE AND RESOLUTION.
10:50:28AM AND IF WE PUNT IT, WE ARE BASICALLY HAVING TO START ALL OVER
10:50:32AM BECAUSE TODAY WE CAN'T PUT THESE IN EFFECT BECAUSE THESE
10:50:35AM ORDINANCES IS ABOUT PUTTING THESE STUFF ON THE BALLOT.
10:50:38AM NOT ABOUT ACTUALLY DOING IT.
10:50:39AM SO WE ARE GOING TO START ALL OVER AGAIN.
10:50:42AM I AM TELLING YOU THE PUBLIC -- THAT'S NOT WHAT I AM HEARING.
10:50:45AM AND SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS WHILE I RESPECT THAT, THAT IS NOT
10:50:50AM WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD BY -- BY THE CITY ATTORNEY.
10:50:53AM AND AT THIS POINT, THE PUBLIC IS SAYING THEY WANT TO VOTE.
10:50:56AM THEY DON'T WANT US TO DO IT.
10:50:58AM THEY WANT TO TO DO IT.
10:51:00AM SO I AM ABSOLUTELY GOING TO VOTE TO OVERRIDE THESE AND PUT
10:51:04AM THEM ON THE BALLOT LIKE THE PUBLIC WANTED.
10:51:07AM WE ALL VOTE THE UNANIMOUSLY ON FOUR OUT OF FIVE TO PUT IT ON
10:51:11AM THE BALLOT.
10:51:11AM THE OTHER GOT A 5-2 VOTE.
10:51:13AM WE ARE HAVE THE VOTE.
10:51:15AM WE ARE HERE TO KIND OF GET IT DONE.
10:51:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF I MAY ANSWER TO THAT, SINCE THIS IS OUR
10:51:20AM ONLY OPEN DIALOGUE AMONG COUNCILMEMBERS, LADIES AND
10:51:24AM GENTLEMEN, AND IF THEY DON'T PASS AT THE BALLOT, AND I AM
10:51:28AM NOT SAYING THAT THE VOTERS ARE NOT SMART, THEY ARE.
10:51:32AM BUT IF IT DOESN'T PASS, DO WE THROW OUR HANDS UP AND SAY WE
10:51:37AM TRIED.
10:51:38AM THIS WAY GOING THROUGH ORDINANCE OR GOING THROUGH
10:51:43AM RESOLUTION, THAT IS A DEFINITE ANSWER.
10:51:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK: ACTUALLY IT ISN'T, BECAUSE COUNCIL -- FUTURE
10:51:51AM COUNCILS CAN OVERTURN THAT, NO, IT'S NOT.
10:51:54AM ALSO THAT IS NOT WHAT IS HAPPENING TODAY.
10:51:57AM YOU ARE BASICALLY STARTING THE CYCLE ALL OVER AGAIN AND WE
10:52:00AM ALREADY AGREED -- WE ALREADY AGREED, UNANIMOUS VOTES ON
10:52:05AM PUTTING THIS -- RATHER ON THE BALLOT FOR THE PEOPLE.
10:52:08AM YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT IS THE THING.
10:52:09AM IT IS ROLLING THE DICE.
10:52:12AM BUT WE AGREE IF THE PEOPLE DON'T WANT IT, THEY WILL VOTE NO.
10:52:15AM NOT A BIG DEAL.
10:52:17AM THEY ARE LET US KNOW, THEY DON'T WANT IT.
10:52:21AM BUT IF THEY DO WANT IT --
10:52:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THEN AGAIN HOW MANY OF THE COUNCIL SAT ON
10:52:27AM THE CHARTER REVIEW.
10:52:28AM SO MY POINT IS, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THIS GOES INTO
10:52:32AM EFFECT SOONER THAN THE ELECTIONS.
10:52:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK: AND I AM GOING TO REPLY AGAIN.
10:52:37AM THAT, NO, IN ORDER FOR A CHARTER TO BE OVERTURNED, IT HAS TO
10:52:43AM GO BACK TO THE VOTERS.
10:52:45AM BUT THAT CAN'T HAPPEN WITH THE SEVEN OF US OR THE SEVEN
10:52:47AM PEOPLE SITTING HERE.
10:52:48AM HAS TO GO BACK TO THE VOTERS.
10:52:50AM WHAT THE VOTERS ARE SAYING, THEY WANT TO VOTE ON ALL THESE
10:52:53AM THINGS.
10:52:54AM IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT ROUTE IT WILL TAKE LONGER TO GO
10:52:57AM THROUGH ORDINANCE BECAUSE FIRST READING, CHANGES.
10:53:00AM SECOND READING.
10:53:01AM AND THEN THE MAYOR CAN VETO THEM AGAIN AND WE WILL BE HERE
10:53:04AM ALL OVER AGAIN.
10:53:05AM SO IT'S -- THIS IS -- THIS IS IN THE LONG RUN GOING TO BE
10:53:10AM FASTER.
10:53:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:53:12AM >>BILL CARLSON: THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE EVERYTHING THEY
10:53:19AM COULD OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS TO TRY TO DELAY THIS.
10:53:21AM AND OBFUSCATE THIS PROCESS.
10:53:24AM THE REASON THIS HAS BEEN DELAYED SO MUCH BY THE MAYOR'S
10:53:28AM DESCRIPTION IN HER OP-ED BECAUSE HER PEOPLE PUSHED US TO
10:53:32AM DELAY IT.
10:53:32AM WE WOULD HAVE HAD THIS PASSED A LONG TIME AGO IF NOT FOR
10:53:37AM THAT.
10:53:37AM AN ORDINANCE CAN BE CHANGED BY COUNCIL.
10:53:40AM AND KEEP IN MIND THE MAYOR AND HER PREDECESSOR RIGHT NOW ARE
10:53:43AM NOT HAPPY WITH THE VOTES OF CITY COUNCIL, SO THEY ARE TRYING
10:53:46AM TO MANIPULATE THE ELECTION PROCESS TO GET THEIR CITY COUNCIL
10:53:51AM IN.
10:53:52AM IN FACT THE MAYOR IS RUNNING HER MOTHER-IN-LAW AS A
10:53:58AM CANDIDATE.
10:53:58AM RUNNING HER MOTHER-IN-LAW AS A CANDIDATE.
10:54:01AM AND THE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY ARE NOT HAPPY.
10:54:03AM A DEMOCRACY.
10:54:06AM THIS IS THE UNITED STATES.
10:54:08AM A SEPARATION OF POWER.
10:54:10AM WE BELIEVE IN DEMOCRACY IN THIS COUNTRY.
10:54:12AM THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE STAFF OF THE CITY REPORT AS MUCH
10:54:15AM TO THE CITY COUNCIL AS THEY TO DO THE MAYOR; HOWEVER, PAST
10:54:18AM CITY ATTORNEYS, NOT THIS BURN, BUT PAST CITY ATTORNEYS HAVE
10:54:22AM MISINTERPRETED THE CHARTER.
10:54:24AM MISINTERPRETED ORDINANCES.
10:54:26AM LAST WEEK WE FIXED A PROBLEM -- FIXED IT BY ORDINANCE
10:54:29AM BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD NOT TO FIX IT BY CHARTER.
10:54:32AM FIXED A PROBLEM WITH FOUR YEARS OF LIABILITY OUT THERE
10:54:35AM BECAUSE A CITY ATTORNEY IN TWO PARAGRAPHS OVERTURNED WHAT
10:54:38AM THE CHARTER SAID AND WHAT AN ORDINANCE THAT PASSED IN 2006
10:54:42AM TO PUT THE CITY AT LEGAL LIABILITY IN INTO THE ALLOWING CITY
10:54:48AM COUNCIL TO APPROVE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS.
10:54:51AM RIDICULOUS THE THINGS THAT HAVE GONE ON IN THE CITY.
10:54:55AM THE PUBLIC IS NOT HAPPY.
10:54:57AM IT IS NOT PROFESSIONAL.
10:54:58AM THE PROBLEM IS THIS ADMINISTRATION LOOKS AT EVERYTHING FROM
10:55:04AM A POLITICAL LENS.
10:55:05AM EVERYTHING IS A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN.
10:55:08AM WE ARE HERE TO SET POLICY.
10:55:09AM POLICY IS TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC, ANALYZE THE FACT AND
10:55:14AM CREATING SOLUTIONS.
10:55:15AM NOT ABOUT WHO WINS OR WHO LOSES OR WHO WILL RUN.
10:55:19AM BECAUSE A CONSPIRACY THEORY THAT I WILL RUN AGAINST HER
10:55:23AM ATTACKING AND SABOTAGING.
10:55:25AM THEY HELPED TO WORK TO GET DINGFELDER OUT AND TRIED TO GET
10:55:28AM GUDES OUT.
10:55:29AM DESPICABLE.
10:55:31AM YOU CAN NOT USE CITY RESOURCES TO ATTACK CITY COUNCIL
10:55:35AM MEMBERS ELECTED FROM THE PUBLIC.
10:55:37AM YOU GOT TO RESPECT IT AND SHOULD NOT PARTICIPATE AND COLLUDE
10:55:40AM TO THROW OUT CITY COUNCILMEMBERS IN AN ELECTION.
10:55:43AM IT IS DESPICABLE.
10:55:44AM I WILL TELL YOU -- A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS OF THE PROBLEM OF
10:55:47AM CITY COUNCIL AND CONFLICT.
10:55:48AM IT IS ALL COMING FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.
10:55:50AM COMING FROM ACROSS THE STREET.
10:55:51AM IF YOU WANT TO KNOW -- GO THERE.
10:55:53AM WE ARE STANDING UP TO IT BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE IT.
10:55:56AM I WILL TELL YOU, I AM SOMEBODY WHO BELIEVES IN
10:55:58AM COLLABORATION.
10:55:59AM I AM SOMEONE WHO PRIDES MYSELF OF BEING COLLABORATIVE ACROSS
10:56:03AM THE REGION, AROUND THE WORLD.
10:56:04AM I WORKED ON COLLABORATION.
10:56:06AM THIS ADMINISTRATION DOES NOT WANT TO COLLABORATE.
10:56:09AM LAST WEEK THE MAYOR STAYED IN THE MEDIA, I WILL MEET WITH
10:56:12AM EVERY CITY COUNCIL MEMBER.
10:56:14AM SHE HATES ME.
10:56:15AM HER STAFF HATES ME.
10:56:16AM SABOTAGED ME FOR THREE AND A HALF YEARS.
10:56:18AM HOW MANY OF YOU WOULD GO TO THE OFFICE AND MET WITH HER?
10:56:22AM I DID.
10:56:22AM I CHANGED MY SCHEDULE AND I MET HER ON FRIDAY MORNING.
10:56:25AM CHIEF OF STAFF WAS THERE AS A WITNESS.
10:56:27AM I SAID TO HER, MADAM MAYOR, YOU HAVE THREE CHOICES.
10:56:31AM YOU CAN VOTE TO APPROVE -- YOU CAN SIGN THESE AND MAKE A
10:56:36AM PUBLIC STATEMENT.
10:56:37AM HAVE A PRESS CONFERENCE AND SAY I DON'T LIKE THEM.
10:56:40AM I DON'T SUPPORT THEM.
10:56:41AM YOU CAN CAMPAIGN AGAINST THEM.
10:56:42AM BUT ULTIMATELY THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO VIEW THEM AND YOU
10:56:45AM CAN SAY I STAND BY THE PUBLIC'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE.
10:56:48AM OR YOU CAN VETO THEM AND SEND THIS CITY INTO POLITICAL
10:56:52AM CHAOS.
10:56:53AM YOU CAN REINFORCE THE MESSAGE THAT CITY COUNCIL AND THE
10:56:57AM MAYOR DON'T GET ALONG.
10:56:58AM I SAID THAT LAST WEEK.
10:57:00AM I SAID I HOPE YOU DON'T DO THAT.
10:57:02AM BECAUSE I WANT TO GET ALONG.
10:57:04AM WE ALL WANT TO GET ALONG.
10:57:05AM WE ALL WANT TO WORK PEACEFULLY TOGETHER.
10:57:08AM WHY DO YOU WANT TO CREATE POLITICAL CHAOS.
10:57:12AM NUMBER THREE, HAVE A POCKET VETO TO SEND IN A LEGAL FIGHT
10:57:16AM THAT WILL SEND US -- THANK GOD SHE DIDN'T DO THAT.
10:57:20AM WHY WOULD A SITTING MAYOR WANT TO PERSPECTIVE THE PRECEDENCE
10:57:25AM OF CITY COUNCILS AND MAYORS TO GET ALONG TO CREATE POLITICAL
10:57:28AM CHAOS.
10:57:28AM THEY COME UP WITH EVERY EXCUSE THEY CAN TO STOP THIS.
10:57:31AM THEY COME UP WITH LEGAL EXCUSES AND LEGAL INTERPRETATIONS TO
10:57:34AM STOP IT.
10:57:35AM WE COULD HAVE GONE THROUGH THE MOST PRISTINE PROCESS WITH
10:57:38AM EVERYTHING AND THEY WOULD HAVE MADE UP SOMETHING TO STOP IT.
10:57:40AM NONE OF THIS IS SUBSTANTIVE.
10:57:42AM HOW DOES SETTING TERM LIMITS FOR CITY COUNCIL DISRUPT THE
10:57:46AM STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT.
10:57:47AM IT DOESN'T.
10:57:48AM THEY JUST WANT TO WIN.
10:57:49AM JUST ABOUT POLITICS AND A CHECKLIST OF WHO WON AND WHO LOST.
10:57:54AM ONE OF OTHER THINGS I SAID TO THE MAYOR, I PRESENTED, LIKE,
10:57:58AM 22 DIFFERENT PROPOSALS AND CALLED THE OTHER CITY
10:58:01AM COUNCILMEMBERS.
10:58:01AM I LOST EVERY SINGLE VOTE.
10:58:02AM ALL OF THEM WERE GREAT SUGGESTIONS TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT
10:58:05AM WOULD HAVE PROTECTED THE COMMUNITY.
10:58:06AM I LOST EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
10:58:08AM I DID NOT PROPOSE ANY OF THESE.
10:58:10AM I SAID YOU ALREADY WON AGAINST ME.
10:58:12AM WHY ARE YOU STILL FIGHTING THESE.
10:58:15AM THEY WANT A POLITICAL FIGHT.
10:58:17AM IT IS DESPICABLE.
10:58:19AM WE SHOULD VOTE NOT TO FIGHT BACK OR GET REVENGE AND WE
10:58:22AM SHOULD NOT BE A POLITICAL BUDDY.
10:58:25AM WE SHOULD VOTE FOR IT BECAUSE IT IS WHAT IS RIGHT FOR THE
10:58:28AM COMMUNITY.
10:58:28AM IF THE COMMUNITY VOTES IT DOWN, WE RESPECT THEIR DECISION.
10:58:31AM BUT WE HAVE TO GIVE IT THE RIGHT TO VOTE.
10:58:34AM >> AMEN.
10:58:34AM [APPLAUSE]
10:58:37AM [GAVEL SOUNDING]
10:58:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:58:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: APPRECIATE IT.
10:58:42AM FIRST OF ALL, THE SECOND TIME SINCE I HAVE BEEN SITTING ON
10:58:46AM COUNCIL THIS HAS COME UP FOR A REVIEW OR POSSIBLE CONFLICT
10:58:52AM OF THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH.
10:58:55AM THE FIRST ONE IN THE '70s OVER PAY RAISE FOR THE FIRE
10:58:59AM FIGHTERS, LOCAL 374.
10:59:02AM MR. LORANDY, MR. SONARDI AND HERSHEL.
10:59:09AM AND I SEE OUR PROCEDURES AND SISTERS FROM THE SAME LOCAL
10:59:11AM HERE TODAY.
10:59:12AM THAT WAS DENIED BY THE MAYOR.
10:59:16AM IT CAME BACK TO THE COUNCIL JUST LIKE THIS IS COMING BACK.
10:59:19AM AND IT WAS OVERRIDDEN BY THE COUNCIL ON A 5-2 VOTE.
10:59:24AM THAT'S FINE.
10:59:25AM AND SINCE THEN, THERE WAS A BIG ARTICLE IN ONE OF THE DAILY
10:59:30AM NEWSPAPERS THAT CALL US THE FIRE FIGHTERS FIVE.
10:59:32AM WHICH WAS NICE.
10:59:33AM THE NEWSPAPER DID THE STORY AND HOW THEY FELT AND I AGREE
10:59:39AM THEY HAD THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.
10:59:40AM GET TO WHERE WE ARE AT TODAY.
10:59:42AM YOU START TO REVIEW THESE THINGS AND YOU LOOK AT NUMBER 80.
10:59:49AM I SAID HOW WE START IT.
10:59:52AM THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD REGARDING THE CHARTER.
10:59:55AM WE AND COUNCIL AND THEN THE MAYOR ARE DIFFERENT MAYOR,
10:59:59AM WORKED TOGETHER TO PUT TOGETHER INDIVIDUALS FROM THIS
11:00:03AM COMMUNITY AND DIFFERENT SECT TO REPRESENT THE PUBLIC THIS
11:00:07AM HAVING NEGOTIATIONS AND AMONG THEMSELVES TO THINK WHAT IS
11:00:12AM BEST FOR THEM TO PRESENT TO THIS COUNCIL HERE FOR THE
11:00:15AM CHARTER REVIEW.
11:00:16AM IT TOOK ABOUT A YEAR.
11:00:17AM I NEVER WENT TO ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS.
11:00:19AM I THINK THREE OR FOUR MEMBERS HERE THAT WERE PART OF THAT.
11:00:23AM INCLUDING SOME FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, SOME THAT ARE
11:00:26AM SITTING TOWN AS COUNCILMEMBERS.
11:00:28AM WE DID THAT.
11:00:29AM DID WE DO THAT IN THIS PROCESS.
11:00:33AM CAME FROM A COUNCILMEMBER WHO STARTED IT IN THE CHAMBER.
11:00:36AM RIGHT THERE IN THE PROCESS, I THINK SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH
11:00:39AM TRANSPARENCY.
11:00:40AM LET ME SAY THAT GOING IN.
11:00:41AM AND I HAVE NO REGARDS FOR ANYBODY.
11:00:43AM THEY DO WHAT THEY WANT.
11:00:44AM I WAS BORN ALONE.
11:00:45AM I HOPE I DIE ALONE.
11:00:46AM AND I DON'T MIND VOTING ALONE.
11:00:49AM THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS I BELIEVE IN.
11:00:52AM YOU LOOK AT THAT AND WHAT WE ARE DOING NOW, WE SHOULD REALLY
11:00:54AM HAVE INSTEAD OF HAVING ALL THIS BS AND I AM TALKING ABOUT
11:00:58AM BARBRA STREISAND TO PUT ON THE BUDGET -- I MEAN ON THE
11:01:02AM ELECTION, DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE CITY TO GOVERNMENT.
11:01:04AM THAT IS WHAT IT IS.
11:01:05AM WHEN -- AND I GAVE YOU A FOR INSTANCE.
11:01:07AM NOT TOO LONG AGO, TWO FOR THREE MONTHS AGO, WE HAD AN
11:01:11AM INDIVIDUAL THAT WE HIRED, MISS TRAVIS HAD A LONG PROCESS OF
11:01:15AM HAVING THREE OR FOUR INDIVIDUALS APPLY FOR A CERTAIN JOB.
11:01:18AM AND THAT INDIVIDUAL WAS QUALIFIED THE MOST BY THIS COUNCIL
11:01:22AM AND TOOK THE JOB.
11:01:23AM WE VOTED ON HIM.
11:01:26AM HE CAME HERE AND SPOKE.
11:01:27AM GUESS WHAT THAT INDIVIDUAL DID.
11:01:29AM HE WAS MUCH SMARTER THAN WHAT I THOUGHT HE WAS.
11:01:31AM HE SAW US ON TV ONE DAY AND CALLED IN AND QUIT BEFORE HE
11:01:35AM TOOK THE JOB.
11:01:35AM AM I RIGHT, MISS TRAVIS?
11:01:40AM SO WHAT MESSAGE ARE WE SENDING?
11:01:42AM THAT WE ARE REALLY STRONG OR THAT WE ARE REALLY DIVIDED.
11:01:47AM I MEET WITH THE MAY I DON'T REMEMBER ONCE A MONTH AND ONLY
11:01:50AM ABOUT ME AS I AM NOT -- THAT IS NOT MY POSITION.
11:01:54AM A MAYORAL POSITION FROM MAYOR GRECO, FROM MAYOR BUCKHORN,
11:01:59AM MAYOR IORIO AND MAYOR CASTOR.
11:02:03AM AND I SAT ON THAT BOARD OF TAMPA BAY WATER IN THE 88 OTHER
11:02:08AM THAN '03 AND '07.
11:02:11AM THE ONLY TIME I SAT WITH THE MAYOR TO BRING THAT PERSON AND
11:02:15AM ALL THE OTHER MAYORS BEFORE HER THAT WHAT WAS SAID AT THE
11:02:19AM MEETING.
11:02:19AM I DON'T DISCUSS NOTHING ELSE OTHER THAN PET THE DOG ONCE OR
11:02:23AM TWICE.
11:02:25AM THAT'S ABOUT IT.
11:02:26AM SO WHAT I AM SAYING, WHEN WE START DOING THESE THINGS.
11:02:30AM NOT FIVE OR SIX ARE BUT 20 SOMETHING ITEMS THAT WERE DONE.
11:02:34AM IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT 20 SOME ITEMS, YOU ARE LOOKING AT
11:02:38AM CHANGE OF THE WHOLE CITY.
11:02:39AM WE CUT IT DOWN TO THIS.
11:02:41AM IN THAT FIRST ORDINANCE, I VOTED NO.
11:02:43AM I SAID THEN THAT I AM VOTING NO BECAUSE THE PROCESS WAS
11:02:48AM TAINTED.
11:02:48AM I SAID IT THEN.
11:02:50AM YOU CAN CHECK.
11:02:51AM THE OTHERS VOTED YES TO SEE WHERE I WAS STANDING WITH THAT
11:02:55AM NO VOTE.
11:02:55AM AND I GOT THE MESSAGE LOUD AND CLEAR.
11:02:58AM I LEARNED FROM WHAT I LEARNED IN THE PAST.
11:03:00AM YOU SEE, THERE IS SMART PEOPLE.
11:03:06AM THERE ARE INTELLIGENT PEOPLE.
11:03:08AM PEOPLE WHO KNOW A LOT THINK BETTER THAN WE DO.
11:03:11AM AND PEOPLE WHO JUST UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU COME FROM
11:03:14AM THAT'S WHERE I FIT IN.
11:03:16AM I UNDERSTAND WHERE I CAME FROM.
11:03:18AM I UNDERSTAND WHAT A HANDSHAKE MEANS.
11:03:20AM I UNDERSTAND WHEN MY MOTHER TOLD ME SOMETHING WAS VIOLATED.
11:03:24AM I WAS GOING TO HAVE CONSEQUENCES.
11:03:27AM AND I HAD CONSEQUENCES.
11:03:28AM I DIDN'T ALWAYS DO WHAT MY MOTHER WANTED ME TO DO.
11:03:33AM WHAT I AM SAYING TODAY IF WE REALLY WANT TO CHANGE THINGS,
11:03:36AM HAVE A DEBATE.
11:03:37AM GO BACK.
11:03:37AM PUT A BOARD IN.
11:03:39AM GO ON AND DO THE RIGHT THING.
11:03:40AM IF YOU REALLY WANT TO DO IT RIGHT.
11:03:42AM LET'S GET INPUT FROM THE PEOPLE WE PUT ON TO TELL THE
11:03:46AM ELECTED OFFICIALS WHAT THEY THINK SHOULD BE CHANGED.
11:03:49AM NOT US CHANGING THE ITEMS WITHOUT ANY CONTRACT WITH THE
11:03:52AM PEOPLE THAT WE PUT ON THAT REVIEW BOARD.
11:03:54AM THOSE ARE THE THINGS TO ME THAT ARE UNACCEPTABLE.
11:03:57AM AND I UNDERSTAND -- I DON'T TALK TO ANY COUNCILMEMBERS OF
11:04:02AM ANYTHING REGARDING THAT.
11:04:03AM THEY DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
11:04:04AM HERE IS WHAT THE PROCESS IS TODAY AND LET'S SEE WHERE IT
11:04:08AM GOES.
11:04:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:04:10AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:04:11AM THANK YOU EVERYBODY.
11:04:12AM THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
11:04:13AM WHEN I HEAR THINGS COMING OUT OF CITY COUNCIL, IT -- THE
11:04:17AM RHETORIC WE HAVE SEEN, ETC., ETC., THE RHETORIC THAT HAS
11:04:21AM BEEN ENCOURAGED IT REALLY BOTHERS ME.
11:04:24AM I AM A PERSON WHO BELIEVES YOU CAN HAVE BOTH THING.
11:04:26AM I BELIEVE YOU CAN OVERRIDE THE MAYOR'S VETO AND HAVE A
11:04:30AM SIMPLE DISAGREEMENT WITHOUT BEING UNCIVIL AND ESCALATING
11:04:35AM TENSIONS IN A POLITICAL YEAR WHEN SO MUCH TO GAIN.
11:04:38AM I WALKED IN HERE INTENDING TO OVERRIDE ON THE VAST MAJORITY
11:04:41AM OF THESE AND LOOK INTO ONE RESOLUTION CAN'T BE DONE, GO
11:04:46AM FORWARD TO AN OVERRIDING.
11:04:48AM BUT I DID NOT WALK IN HERE TENDING TO ESCALATE THE POLITICAL
11:04:51AM DIVISIONS WE ARE HAVING IN THIS CITY GOVERNMENT.
11:04:53AM WE HEAR SO MUCH RHETORIC.
11:04:55AM SO MUCH RHETORIC.
11:04:56AM I WAS TALKING TO SOMEONE YESTERDAY, SOMEONE SAID THE MAYOR
11:04:59AM -- AGAIN, DISAGREE WITH THE MAYOR'S VETO AND INTEND TO
11:05:03AM OVERRIDE.
11:05:03AM SOMEONE SAID THE MAYOR IS SUPPRESSING VOTE.
11:05:06AM VOTER SUPPRESSION.
11:05:07AM ETC.
11:05:08AM I SAID, WELL, LET'S SAY THAT A -- A VOTER INITIATIVE CAME TO
11:05:12AM YOU AND YOU WERE AN EXECUTIVE AND WOULD TEAR DOWN LABOR
11:05:15AM UNIONS, RIGHT.
11:05:16AM YOU WOULD VETO IT, BECAUSE YOU OPPOSE THE SUBSTANCE OF IT.
11:05:20AM IS THAT VOTER SUPPRESSION?
11:05:22AM NO, IT IS EXPRESSING YOUR OPINION AS A DEMOCRATICALLY
11:05:27AM ELECTED OFFICIAL.
11:05:28AM WHAT WE ARE DOING OUT OF BOUNDS?
11:05:30AM ABSOLUTELY NOT.
11:05:31AM BECAUSE WE ARE ELECTED OFFICIALS ACTING PURSUANT TO THE
11:05:34AM CHARTER AND THAT IS IT WHAT I INTEND TO DO.
11:05:36AM WE DO SEE A TON -- VOTER SUPPRESSION IS REAL, RIGHT.
11:05:40AM SINCE 2020, WE HAD ABOUT 250 ATTEMPTS IN OVER 40 STATES FOR
11:05:45AM VOTER SUPPRESSION LEGISLATION.
11:05:47AM 2018, I REMEMBER GOVERNOR -- NORTHERN DISTRICT JUDGE MARK
11:05:52AM WALKER STRUCK DOWN A BILL BY GOVERNOR RICK SCOTT IS TO
11:05:56AM PRECLUDE EARLY VOTING ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES.
11:06:00AM WE SAW OUR ATTORNEY GENERAL IN FLORIDA JOIN TEXAS IN TRYING
11:06:03AM TO THROW OUT THE VOTES OF -- I THINK FOUR OTHER STATES THAT
11:06:06AM HAPPENED TO GO FOR NOW PRESIDENT BIDEN.
11:06:07AM WE SAW JANUARY 6.
11:06:09AM MANY, MANY ISSUES OF VOTER SUPPRESSION.
11:06:12AM I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE FRAME ISSUES AS THEY ARE.
11:06:15AM WHEN I HEAR LANGUAGE ON THAT INCLUDING AUTHOR FOR IAN
11:06:20AM AUTHORITARIAN, ETC.
11:06:24AM WANT TO STAY IN REASONABLE REALITY.
11:06:26AM MY OPINION THAT WE WILL GO FORWARD -- I THINK AND OVERRIDE
11:06:31AM THE MAYOR'S VETO BUT THAT WE DO NOT ESCALATE THE POLITICAL
11:06:37AM RHETORICS THAT IS IN THE CITY GOVERNMENT.
11:06:40AM WE HAVE A DISAGREEMENT.
11:06:41AM I DISAGREE WITH THE MAY I DON'T REMEMBER OF THESE ISSUES.
11:06:44AM I WILL VOTE TO OVERRIDE.
11:06:46AM ONE TO INQUIRE ON.
11:06:48AM THAT IS WHAT I INTEND TO DO, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
11:06:51AM THE TERMS OF THE DEBATE ARE FAIR AND THEY DO NOT, AGAIN,
11:06:55AM ESCALATE THE POLITICAL RHETORIC IN THE CITY GOVERNMENT WHERE
11:06:59AM WE ARE RIGHT NOW GOING OVER THE EDGE ON THIS.
11:07:02AM WE NEED TO TURN BACK JUST A LITTLE BIT WHERE WE CAN DISAGREE
11:07:06AM WITH ONE ANOTHER, RIGHT, AND NOT NEEDLESSLY DEMONIZE ONE
11:07:10AM ANOTHER.
11:07:10AM I THINK WE CAN DO THAT HERE.
11:07:12AM WHEN I TAKE A LOOK -- I HAVE SAID IT AGAIN AND AGAIN, THESE
11:07:16AM PROPOSED BALLOT MEASURES ARE NOT RADICAL.
11:07:19AM THEY ARE VERY, VERY SIMPLE.
11:07:20AM I SUPPORT THEM IN SUBSTANCE.
11:07:23AM THE VOTERS WANT TO VOTE ON THEM.
11:07:25AM LET'S GO FOR IT.
11:07:26AM NO PROBLEMS HERE.
11:07:27AM A POINT I DO WANT TO MAKE AND SOMETHING THAT IS VERY
11:07:30AM IMPORTANT TO ME.
11:07:30AM I GUESS IF -- YOU MENTIONED JUDGE.
11:07:33AM SOMETIMES WHEN YOU GO ON AN OPINION, YOU FILE WHAT IS CALLED
11:07:36AM A CONCURRING OPINION.
11:07:37AM MAYBE THAT IS A CONCURRING OPINION HERE.
11:07:40AM THAT'S ALL.
11:07:40AM THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
11:07:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:07:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:07:46AM I WROTE WHAT SOMEBODY SAID EARLIER, WROTE WHAT YOU THINK IS
11:07:49AM RIGHT AND BE INDEPENDENT.
11:07:51AM THAT IS SOMETHING MY MOTHER SAYS, DO WHAT YOU THINK IS
11:07:54AM RIGHT.
11:07:54AM THAT IS THE ADVICE SHE GIVES ME AND THINK FOR YOURSELF WHICH
11:07:57AM IS TO BE INDEPENDENT.
11:07:59AM I ADD TO THAT DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE.
11:08:02AM I FINE IS UNNECESSARY AND OFFENSIVE TO DO A BLANKET VETO OF
11:08:06AM EVERYTHING.
11:08:06AM I CAN UNDERSTAND DOING MY DUE DILIGENCE, THE PROS AND CONS
11:08:11AM OF SOME OF THESE THINGS AND LOOK INTO THE REASONING WHY THE
11:08:15AM MAYOR VETOED SOME.
11:08:16AM AT THE END OF THE DAY SOME ARE NO BRAINERS AND I WILL GET
11:08:20AM INTO THE SUBSTANTIAL AS WE TAKE EACH ONE ONE BY ONE.
11:08:25AM WE ARE NOT HURTING ANYBODY.
11:08:27AM AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT GOES BACK TO THE THINGS MY MOTHER
11:08:31AM TOLD ME AND THINGS I HEARD TODAY, VOTE FOR WHAT YOU THINK IS
11:08:35AM RIGHT AND BE INDEPENDENT.
11:08:37AM THAT'S IT.
11:08:37AM AND I LOOK FORWARD TO MAKING OUR DECISIONS HERE.
11:08:40AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: AM I RECOGNIZED.
11:08:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT'S WHY I AM LOOKING AT YOU.
11:08:51AM COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED GUDES GUDES THESE FOUR
11:08:55AM YEARS HAVE GONE UP AND DOWN AND SOMETIMES VERY AGGRESSIVE.
11:08:59AM I ALWAYS HAVE BEEN OF THE CULTURE OF AGREE TO DISAGREE.
11:09:04AM YOU MADE THAT DECISION.
11:09:06AM I ALWAYS HAVE BEEN A COMPROMISER.
11:09:14AM AND SEVERAL ISSUES I SHOULD HAVE WENT WITH WHAT THE
11:09:20AM CONSTITUENTS SAY, BUT I WENT WITH THE ADMINISTRATION.
11:09:23AM I HAVE DONE THAT.
11:09:24AM I GATHERED ALL THE COUNCILMEMBERS TO GO ACROSS THE STREET --
11:09:28AM MANY OF YOU SAID I DON'T WANT TO GO THERE -- I WAS THE
11:09:31AM CHAIRMAN.
11:09:31AM YOU BELIEVED IN ME AND YOU WENT.
11:09:33AM YOU SAID I WILL GO BECAUSE IT IS YOU.
11:09:36AM EVEN THOUGH YOU DIDN'T VOTE FOR CERTAIN THINGS.
11:09:40AM I AM APPRECIATIVE OF THAT BECAUSE WANT TO BE A BODY OF
11:09:45AM DEVOTED PEOPLE.
11:09:45AM I WILL NEVER DISRESPECT ANY OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS NO MATTER
11:09:49AM WHAT.
11:09:50AM IF A PROBLEM, I WILL GO TO YOU.
11:09:52AM NOT THE ADMINISTRATION.
11:09:53AM I WILL COME TO YOU.
11:09:54AM THAT IS HOW I BELIEVE TO HANDLE BUSINESS.
11:09:56AM SAME THING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, YOU HAVE A PROBLEM, COME
11:10:00AM TO THE COUNCILMEMBERS.
11:10:01AM WORK IT OUT THERE.
11:10:02AM DON'T TRY TO SABOTAGE AND DO THINGS THAT I BELIEVE ARE
11:10:08AM UNETHICAL.
11:10:08AM WE ALL HAD OUR MEETING WITH THE MAYOR AND SAID.
11:10:11AM I SAID THE THINGS I SAID.
11:10:12AM AND, YOU KNOW, DON'T WISH TO TAKE THEM BACK TRUTHFUL AT THE
11:10:18AM TIME AND ANGRY.
11:10:19AM I DIDN'T GO IN A CERTAIN AREA I WANTED TO GO BECAUSE MY
11:10:22AM FAITH LED ME TO SAY, NO, YOU STOP YOURSELF.
11:10:24AM YOU SAID ENOUGH.
11:10:25AM I DO RESPECT THE ADMINISTRATION, BUT SOMETIMES I DON'T
11:10:32AM RESPECT THEIR TACTICS.
11:10:33AM I ALWAYS WILL WORK WITH THE ADMINISTRATION.
11:10:35AM IF I'M HERE TOMORROW, GONE TOMORROW.
11:10:38AM I AM STILL GOING TO BE THE SAME PERSON.
11:10:40AM SAY WHAT I WANT TO SAY.
11:10:42AM I AM AN OUTSPOKEN PERSON.
11:10:43AM NOT AN ANGRY BLACK MAN, A MAN WITH PASSION WHO SEES THINGS
11:10:48AM THIS THE ANY THAT HAVE BEEN WRONG.
11:10:50AM COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE BEEN WRONGED.
11:10:52AM WHAT I SEE IN THE CITY IS JUST ABOUT POWER AND MONEY AT
11:10:55AM TIMES.
11:10:55AM POWER AND MONEY.
11:10:56AM AND MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL, AS WE ALL KNOW.
11:11:01AM I DON'T LIKE A STRONG FORM OF MAYOR GOVERNMENT.
11:11:05AM BECAUSE IT IS A DICTATORSHIP AT TIMES.
11:11:07AM I TRULY BELIEVE THAT.
11:11:10AM BECAUSE THEY ARE RUN BY POWER AND MONEY.
11:11:13AM BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A COLLEGIAL BODY THAT CAN HEAR THE PEOPLE
11:11:17AM BECAUSE I FEEL WE HEAR THE PEOPLE.
11:11:19AM AND LET CONSTITUENTS DAY -- YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT THE MAYOR
11:11:24AM AND GET -- DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.
11:11:26AM BUT HERE WE ARE ON GROUND ZERO.
11:11:28AM PEOPLE COME HERE.
11:11:28AM WE WALK OUT.
11:11:30AM IT IS A DIFFERENT PROCESS.
11:11:31AM YES, IT IS GOOD TO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE THAT CAN RUN THE CITY
11:11:35AM AND DO THOSE THINGS THAT WE CAN'T DO.
11:11:37AM THAT'S GREAT.
11:11:38AM BUT I BELIEVE MONEY AND POWER GETS INFECTED WHEN YOU HAVE
11:11:43AM SOMEBODY WHO HAS CONTROL.
11:11:44AM WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER EMPLOYEES.
11:11:46AM WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THIS AND THAT.
11:11:50AM WE HAVE CONTROL TO LEGISLATURE THIS COMMUNITY, CITY AND MAKE
11:11:53AM SURE THINGS ARE DONE ABOVE BOARD AND WHEN CITIZENS COME HERE
11:11:58AM EVERY THURSDAY, OUR JOB TO HEAR THEIR COMPLAINTS AND ASK
11:12:01AM QUESTIONS AND GET IT RIGHT TO THE BEST WE CAN.
11:12:03AM I AM ALWAYS GOING TO DO THAT.
11:12:05AM I AM ALWAYS GOING TO POLICE TO THE PEOPLE.
11:12:09AM IF SOMETHING I DON'T AGREE, I WILL GO THE PEOPLE AND TELL
11:12:13AM YOU WHY I CAN'T SUPPORT IT.
11:12:14AM I AM GOING TO BE UP FRONT WITH THEM.
11:12:17AM NO DIFFERENT THAN DEVELOPERS, I TELL YOU THIS, DO THIS, AND
11:12:21AM THAT.
11:12:21AM I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT.
11:12:23AM I AM NOT A GUY TO SIT AND WAVE.
11:12:25AM AND -- I DON'T DO THAT -- I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW HOW I
11:12:28AM FEEL.
11:12:28AM I DON'T NEED TO WAVER WITH ANYBODY.
11:12:38AM WE DON'T NEED TO KEEP HAVING A DEBATE.
11:12:40AM THE MAYOR ALREADY VETOED IT.
11:12:42AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DISCUSSION IS.
11:12:44AM LET'S TAKE A VOTE.
11:12:45AM THE PUBLIC HAS ALREADY SPOKEN.
11:12:47AM IT IS WHAT IT IS.
11:12:48AM TO COME HERE AND TALK OF A ORDINANCE.
11:12:50AM HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE ASKED OF AN ORDINANCE AND GOT IFs,
11:12:55AM ANDs AND BUTs.
11:12:57AM WE GET OVER THIS OF GETTING IT DONE WAY AFTER IT WAS -- THIS
11:13:01AM COULD HAVE BEEN DONE AND PLAYED AND KICKED IT DOWN THE
11:13:04AM FIELD.
11:13:05AM WAIT AND MR. SHELBY WAS GONE ON SABBATICAL, YOU KNOW.
11:13:08AM WITHOUT A CITY ATTORNEY TO GIVE GUIDANCE OR ANYTHING.
11:13:12AM STILL HAVING TO COME TO THE PREMISE THAT WE DO CATHEDRAL A
11:13:16AM SECOND WESTERN WITH MR. SHELBY AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET
11:13:20AM MORE STAFF.
11:13:21AM AND WE DIDN'T DO IT.
11:13:22AM AND YOU KNOW WE NEED MORE STAFF.
11:13:25AM YOU KNOW WE NEED MORE STAFF.
11:13:27AM THE MONEY SITUATION.
11:13:28AM WE NEEDED THE MONEY.
11:13:30AM COST OF LIVING.
11:13:31AM EVERYTHING.
11:13:31AM THE PUBLIC SAID -- THEY TOLD US WHAT THEY WANTED.
11:13:35AM WE WORK FOR THEM.
11:13:36AM WE DON'T WORK FOR OURSELVES.
11:13:38AM THIS HAS BEEN A DOWNFALL SOMETIMES IN THIS COUNCIL THAT WE
11:13:41AM ARE NOT LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE ON REAL ISSUE.
11:13:44AM THIS CHARTER WE KNOW TO HAVE THE POW TER NEEDS TO BE LOOKED
11:13:47AM AT AGAINST BECAUSE THINGS THAT ARE WRONG IN IT.
11:13:49AM INTERPRETATIONS, MEMBERS WHO SIT ON THE BOARD.
11:13:53AM AND WE KNOW THAT IS WHY WE ARE RAISING HELL SAYING WE DON'T
11:13:57AM KNOW AND WE KNOW NOW THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CHANGED.
11:14:01AM I YIELD BACK, SIR.
11:14:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, SEE THE HAND UP.
11:14:06AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, SIR.
11:14:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:14:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HI.
11:14:10AM I APPRECIATE ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES' COMMENTS.
11:14:13AM YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT.
11:14:19AM IT MAY NOT BE IN THE CHARTER ITSELF BUT BECAUSE THE WAY THE
11:14:24AM ADMINISTRATION WORKS, HOW THE CHARTER LAYS OUT HOW THE CITY
11:14:28AM RUNS.
11:14:28AM SOMEONE THAT RUNNING THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATION.
11:14:31AM OUR JOB AS CITY COUNCIL IS TO MAKE THE LAWS AND WE ARE A
11:14:36AM CHECK AND BALANCES OF HOW THIS ALL WORKS.
11:14:38AM WE LOOK AT THE COST OF THINGS EVERY WEEK.
11:14:41AM WE LOOK AT CHANGING LAND USE ZONING.
11:14:43AM OUR JOB IS TO SET THE PATH FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO FOLLOW.
11:14:49AM THAT IS WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO.
11:14:51AM THAT IS THE BALANCE OF POWER IS.
11:14:54AM YES, A STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT, BUT THE CITY COUNCIL
11:14:58AM IS SUPPOSED TO ACT AS A CHECKS AND BALANCES TO THE SYSTEM.
11:15:03AM AND A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT.
11:15:06AM THIS BODY HAS SAT AS A RUBBER STAMP FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
11:15:11AM THIS PARTICULAR COUNCIL HAS DECIDED THEY DON'T WANT TO DO
11:15:14AM THAT ANYMORE.
11:15:15AM SO WHILE THERE MAY BE DISAGREEMENT.
11:15:19AM NOT A FIGHT.
11:15:20AM ALL IT IS THAT NOW WE HAVE A CULTURE WHERE WE ARE
11:15:23AM DISAGREEING SOMETIMES.
11:15:25AM WE ARE JUST DISAGREEING.
11:15:27AM I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE, LIKE, I CHOSE MY HUSBAND.
11:15:30AM LIKE I LOVE THAT MAN.
11:15:31AM BUT THERE IS NO WAY -- I DON'T AGREE WITH HIM ON EVERYTHING.
11:15:35AM SO HOW IN THE WORLD CAN I AGREE WITH ANYONE ELSE.
11:15:40AM AND THAT IS THE WAY I FEEL.
11:15:42AM WE SIT DOWN AND WE DID TALK OF THESE AND THE MAYOR ASKED ME
11:15:47AM IF I HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH THEM.
11:15:49AM NO.
11:15:49AM WAS I CONCERNED THAT THE PUBLIC DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME, I
11:15:53AM SAID NO.
11:15:54AM WE HAD FOUR DIFFERENT MEETINGS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO TALK
11:15:57AM ABOUT THIS.
11:15:57AM OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THE PUBLIC SAID THEY WANTED TO HAVE A
11:16:01AM WORD IN THIS.
11:16:02AM THEY WANTED TO VOTE.
11:16:04AM MY THING -- I AM NOT GOING TO APPROVE ANY TYPE OF ORDINANCE
11:16:07AM OR RESOLUTION TO GET IT DONE, BECAUSE WHAT I AM HEARING NOW
11:16:10AM IS THAT THE PEOPLE WANT THIS DONE.
11:16:12AM THEY WANT TO VOTE ON IT.
11:16:13AM THERE IS NOTHING SPECIAL ABOUT OVERRIDING A VETO.
11:16:17AM JUST ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE CAN TO AS COUNCIL.
11:16:19AM I AM PROUD OF BEING A MEMBER OF THIS BODY WHO REALLY IS
11:16:23AM STUDYING AND LOOKING AT HOW THE CITY RUNS EVERY DAY.
11:16:30AM AND IN CITY HAS GONE FROM SLIGHTLY COMPLICATED TO VASTLY
11:16:35AM COMPLICATED IN TWO YEARS' TIME.
11:16:37AM AND I KNOW THAT WE ALL WORK OUR -- WELL, I HOPE THAT WE ALL
11:16:42AM WORK OUR HARDEST TO FIND THAT BALANCE.
11:16:45AM BUT HERE IS THE THING.
11:16:46AM THIS IS OUR JOB.
11:16:48AM WE WERE ELECTED OR APPOINTED TO DO THIS JOB.
11:16:54AM TO LOOK AT EACH THING AND DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT IT FITS TO
11:16:57AM WHERE OUR CITY NEEDS TO GO.
11:16:59AM AND THE PUBLIC IS TELLING US, THEY WANT INPUT ON HOW OUR
11:17:03AM CITY RUNS.
11:17:04AM ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO -- I AM GOING TO SINGLE OUT ONE
11:17:09AM OF THEM, THE INTERIM DEPARTMENT HEADS.
11:17:11AM THE PUBLIC IS SAYING WHAT HAPPENED WHAT NINE MONTHS AGO
11:17:19AM CAN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
11:17:21AM THAT IS WHAT THIS DOES.
11:17:22AM WE ARE CLOSING A LOOPHOLE SO IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
11:17:25AM ALL OF THESE ARE SLIGHT CHANGES THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE OUR
11:17:30AM CITY'S CHARTER BETTER OR NOT DEPENDING ON WHAT Y'ALL SAY,
11:17:34AM BUT IT IS NOT OUR CHOICE.
11:17:35AM IT IS GOING TO BE UP TO YOU.
11:17:37AM THANK YOU.
11:17:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR INDULGING ME.
11:17:45AM AND I THANK YOU FOR THIS ROBUST DISCUSSION.
11:17:48AM MISS ZELMAN, BEFORE YOU WALK AWAY, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME
11:17:53AM YOUR OPINION ON WHETHER OR NOT THESE CAN BE DONE THROUGH
11:17:57AM ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTIONS.
11:17:58AM NOW LET'S JUST TAKE ONE SECOND.
11:18:02AM IF WE WERE TO SET AN ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION INTO MOTION
11:18:06AM TODAY, IT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE TWO WEEKS FOR IT TO COME BACK.
11:18:09AM THEN WE WOULD HAVE THE FIRST READING WHICH IS ANOTHER WEEK.
11:18:16AM THAT IS FIRST READING IS ANOTHER WEEK.
11:18:18AM THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SECOND READING WHICH IS ANOTHER
11:18:22AM TWO WEEKS.
11:18:23AM SO NOW WE ARE UP TO SIX WEEKS.
11:18:26AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: YOU HAD AN EXTRA WEEK IN THERE.
11:18:31AM IF -- FOR INSTANCE, THE CRB ATTORNEY IS AN EXAMPLE OF ONE
11:18:37AM WHERE EVEN THE OUTSIDE COUNSEL THAT YOU HAD WORK ON THESE
11:18:42AM ORDINANCES ADVISED YOU THAT ROLE COULD BE CREATED BY A CODE
11:18:48AM AMENDMENT.
11:18:48AM YOU ALREADY HAVE A CODE THAT WAS ADOPTED BY THIS CITY
11:18:53AM COUNCIL IN 2021 THAT SPELLS OUT HOW LEGAL COUNCIL IS
11:19:01AM PROVIDED TO THE CRB.
11:19:03AM IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE WAY THAT LEGAL COUNSEL IS PROVIDED
11:19:10AM TO THE CRB.
11:19:11AM THE EASIEST WAY IS TO AMEND THE CODE.
11:19:14AM IF WE BRING YOU AN ORDINANCE, YOU WILL HEAR IT ON FIRST
11:19:19AM READING, TWO WEEKS LATER SECOND READING AND IT ADOPTION.
11:19:22AM EXTRA WEEKS MAY FALL IN THERE BECAUSE OF THE SIRE DEADLINES
11:19:26AM AND THE SCHEDULE FOR YOUR HEARINGS, BUT, YES, THAT IS
11:19:29AM SOMETHING -- PERFECT EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE
11:19:33AM VERY QUICKLY.
11:19:33AM WHILE I HAVE THE PODIUM, I JUST WANT TO MAKE TWO HISTORICAL
11:19:39AM CORRECTIONS FOR ADDITIONS TO WHAT WAS SAID.
11:19:42AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, IN 1990, MAYOR SANDY FREEMAN ACTUALLY
11:19:48AM VETOED TWO PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENTS REGARDING A CHARTER
11:19:53AM REVIEW COMMISSION.
11:19:54AM AND INTERESTINGLY, WHEN I READ HER LETTER AND THE MAYOR'S
11:19:58AM LETTER, THEY WERE SAYING SOME OF THE SAME OBJECTIONS.
11:20:01AM THIS WAS RUSHED.
11:20:02AM IT WASN'T WELL THOUGHT-OUT.
11:20:04AM AND I AM HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE COUNCIL ON A SOLUTION.
11:20:08AM JUST FOR HISTORICAL REFERENCE SINCE YOU MENTIONED THAT.
11:20:11AM AND I DO WANT TO CORRECT ONE THING THAT I THINK WAS UNFAIR.
11:20:15AM ONLY BECAUSE I WAS SO INVOLVED WITH THIS.
11.:20:17AM THE DELAY -- THE TIMING OF THE CHARTER REVIEW WORKSHOP THAT
11:20:24AM YOU ALL HAD, THERE WAS NOT A SINGLE DELAY CAUSED BY THE
11:20:28AM ADMINISTRATION.
11:20:29AM I CHARTED OUT EVERY SINGLE MOTION THAT WAS MADE STARTING IN
11:20:32AM FEBRUARY OF 2021 WHEN COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER FIRST MOTIONED
11:20:37AM FOR A WORKSHOP ON THE CHARTER AMENDMENT.
11:20:40AM EVERY DELAY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE WHEN A FACILITATOR'S
11:20:48AM HUSBAND HAD COVID, COUNCIL VOTE TO RESCHEDULE IT, RESCHEDULE
11:20:53AM IT WHO HIRE A FACILITATOR.
11:20:56AM IN SEPTEMBER, YOU OPENED A CHARTER WORKSHOP AND CLOSED IT
11:21:01AM AND.
11:21:04AM NONE WAS THE ADMINISTRATION WANTING TO CHANGE THAT.
11:21:07AM AND I THINK THAT WAS UNFAIR.
11:21:09AM I FORGOT THE QUESTION.
11:21:12AM I APOLOGIZE.
11:21:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: TIMELINE.
11:21:15AM IF WE TOOK THE ACTION TODAY, COULD A CODE OR ORDINANCE BE
11:21:19AM PUT INTO EFFECT BEFORE THE ELECTIONS?
11:21:25AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I BELIEVE SO, YES.
11:21:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
11:21:29AM I WILL GO TO COUNCILMAN GUDES AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:21:31AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I
11:21:34AM THOUGHT WE WERE HERE TODAY TO VOTE ON THE PROPOSED CHARTERS.
11:21:37AM I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE HERE TO DISCUSS ANOTHER AVENUE.
11:21:40AM I DON'T THINK ANY COUNCILMEMBERS WILL DISCUSS ANOTHER
11:21:43AM AVENUE.
11:21:43AM I THOUGHT, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THAT WE WERE THERE GET THIS
11:21:47AM DONE, TO EITHER OVERRIDE OR NOT WITH A VOTE AND CONTINUE AND
11:21:51AM NO GO TO LEGAL COUNSEL AND ASK OF ALL THESE DIFFERENT
11:21:54AM AVENUES.
11:21:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF I CAN --
11:21:56AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME FINISH SIR.
11:21:58AM WE ALREADY ASKED THOSE QUESTIONS AND GOT RUN-AROUND
11:22:01AM QUESTIONS IN REFERENCE TO ORDINANCE.
11:22:04AM THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY.
11:22:05AM I WILL ASK MR. CHAIRMAN THAT A VOTE BE PUT ON THE FLOOR FOR
11:22:08AM ALL FIVE ITEMS AND MOVE FORWARD AND LET'S STOP THE
11:22:12AM BUREAUCRACY AND THE BS AND LET'S MOVE.
11:22:15AM [APPLAUSE]
11:22:16AM [GAVEL SOUNDING]
11:22:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:22:19AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVE NO -- THE HONORABLE CITY ATTORNEY
11:22:22AM FROM 1990, WHEN I SPOKE, I CLEARLY SAID FROM '74 I WAS HERE
11:22:30AM AND DIDN'T COME BACK TO 1995 AND EVIDENTLY SHE FOUND
11:22:34AM SOMETHING 1990.
11:22:35AM EVERYTHING THAT I SAID WAS CORRECT AND EVERYTHING SHE SAID
11:22:38AM WAS CORRECT.
11:22:39AM SO TWO CORRECTIONS DOESN'T EQUAL IN MINUS.
11:22:43AM HOWEVER, AGAIN, WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS MAKE CHANGES.
11:22:47AM AND I BELIEVE ONE OF THE CHANGES -- I DON'T RECALL ALL
11:22:50AM BECAUSE 20 SOMETHING PRESENTED.
11:22:52AM ONE HAS THE IDEA THAT WE ARE GOING TO ASK APPROVAL.
11:22:56AM THE APPROVAL FROM US WHOEVER WANTS TO HIRE ONE DEPARTMENT
11:23:01AM HEAD.
11:23:01AM I AM NOT SURE ABOUT IT IF I REMEMBER IT THAT WAY.
11:23:04AM INSTEAD OF WORKING FOR THE MAYOR WHOEVER THE MAYOR IS, THAT
11:23:09AM DEPARTMENT HEAD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL FIRST
11:23:12AM BEFORE THE MAYOR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
11:23:14AM THAT SHOULD REALLY GO TO CHANGE THE GOVERNMENT.
11:23:16AM WHEN YOU START CHANGING THE STRUCTURE OF A GOVERNMENT, YOU
11:23:20AM HAVE TO GET APPROVED BY THE CITIZENS.
11:23:21AM THIS -- THEY SHOULD HAVE IT ALL AND TAKE IT ALL THAT YOU
11:23:26AM WANT TO CHANGE THE WAY WE HAVE A GOVERNMENT.
11:23:27AM I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
11:23:29AM BUT WHEN YOU START DOING THESE THINGS IN MY MIND, IT IS NOT
11:23:33AM THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
11:23:34AM THAT'S JUST ME.
11:23:35AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:23:37AM HAVE A NICE DAY.
11:23:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:23:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE TRIED THE ORDINANCE AND RESOLUTION THING
11:23:44AM BEFORE AND KEEPS GETTING SHOT DOWN AND WHY THE VOTERS WANTED
11:23:47AM US TO GO TO -- GO TO A VOTE.
11:23:50AM BECAUSE HERE IS THE THING.
11:23:51AM WE -- WE ARE JUST GOING AROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND AND
11:23:56AM PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CHANGE THEIR VOTES.
11:23:58AM AND IT HERE -- WE ALREADY APPROVED THESE UNANIMOUSLY JUST A
11:24:02AM COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
11:24:03AM LET'S JUST -- AS COUNCILMAN GUDES SAID, LET'S GET THESE
11:24:08AM VOTES DONE AND LET THE PEOPLE KNOW WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE
11:24:11AM GOING TO SUPPORT THEM MAKING THE DECISION.
11:24:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGAIN, I THANK YOU ALL.
11:24:17AM TOP A COUPLE COUNCIL PEOPLE'S POINT, I AM NOT HERE TO BE
11:24:21AM RIGHT.
11:24:22AM I WANT TO BE HEARD.
11:24:25AM SO EVEN THOUGH WE ARE EVEN THOUGH THERE WILL BE A CHANGE
11:24:33AM TODAY WHETHER WE OVERRIDE THE MAYOR OR WHETHER WE SET IN THE
11:24:39AM MOTION A CODE OR ORDINANCE, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS IS
11:24:42AM THE ONLY TIME WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSIONS.
11:24:45AM ALL I WANTED TO BE WAS HEARD.
11:24:50AM WE HAVE OPTIONS.
11:24:53AM WE ARE THE LEGISLATIVE BODY OF THIS CITY.
11:24:59AM THANK YOU, COUNCIL -- COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:25:09AM >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE TO ASK AND THIS MAY SOUND
11:25:13AM DISRESPECTFUL AND THE TEXT MESSAGES AND BEHIND THE SCENES
11:25:17AM SHENANIGANS.
11:25:18AM I HAVE TO ASK DID THE MAYOR OR STAFF ASK YOU TO THROW THE
11:25:21AM MONKEY WRENCH INTO THE ENGINE TODAY OR COACH YOU ON SAYING
11:25:26AM IT, BECAUSE THESE ARE THE KIND OF SHENANIGANS THEY HAVE BEEN
11:25:29AM PULLING FOR TWO YEARS THAT MISS ZELMAN IS NOT AWARE OF.
11:25:32AM SHE TALKED OF THE LEGAL PROCESS BUT PROBABLY NOT AWARE OF
11:25:38AM THE DIRTY POLITICS GONE BEHIND THE SCENES.
11:25:40AM WHILE I STILL HAVE THE FLOOR, THE CLEAVE OF STAFF WILL
11:25:43AM CONFIRM I TOLD THE MAYOR DIRECTLY.
11:25:45AM YOUR STAFF WHO IS PAID FOR THE CITY AND REPRESENTATIVES OF
11:25:49AM THE CITY, IF THEY ARE PUSHING NEGATIVE MESSAGE AND NEGATIVE
11:25:52AM STORIES EVER CITY COUNCIL TO STIR UP FIGHT OF CITY
11:25:57AM COUNCILMEMBERS.
11:25:57AM NOT ONLY DESPICABLE AND UNETHICAL.
11:26:01AM PLEASE TELL THEM TO STOP.
11:26:03AM IF MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE WAS DOING THE SAME THING, I WOULD
11:26:06AM FIRE HER.
11:26:07AM BUT THIS MAYOR ALLOWS THESE PEOPLE, STAFF MEMBERS PAID BY
11:26:11AM TAXPAYERS THAT WE APPROVE TO ATTACK CITY COUNCIL AND THE
11:26:14AM PUBLIC.
11:26:14AM IT IS DESPICABLE.
11:26:16AM WE NEED TO END IT.
11:26:17AM THE FIGHTING NEEDS TO END.
11:26:19AM THE PUBLIC WANTS PEACE.
11:26:21AM IF SHE PUT UP ANOTHER CITY COUNCIL MEMBER TO ATTACK US AND
11:26:25AM THROW A WRENCH IN HERE, IT IS REALLY TERRIBLE.
11:26:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:26:29AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME CLEAR UP ONE THING.
11:26:31AM IT WAS SAID THAT THE MAYOR MET WITH ALL COUNCILMEMBERS.
11:26:35AM I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH THAT.
11:26:37AM I HAD AN APPOINTMENT AND MEET WITH HER 8 A.M. ON FRIDAY.
11:26:43AM I COULD NOT KEEP THAT APPOINTMENT.
11:26:46AM I SAID MEET AT 8:00.
11:26:48AM I CAME HERE QUARTER TO 7:00.
11:26:51AM CAME BACK DOWN.
11:26:52AM I WAITED TO 8:23.
11:26:54AM AND I LEFT BECAUSE I HAVE TO BE IN OLDSMAR BY 9:00.
11:26:58AM SO I NEVER MET WITH THE MAYOR.
11:27:01AM SO I WANT TO CLEAR -- MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE MAYOR AND I
11:27:06AM NEVER MET, SAT DOWN AND HAVE A DEBATE THAT MR. CARLSON SAID
11:27:10AM HE DID.
11:27:10AM LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT ME.
11:27:11AM I DON'T BELIEVE THE WAY I WAS RAISED THAT I DO THINGS FOR
11:27:21AM MYSELF.
11:27:22AM I DO AND WHEN I VOTE, IT IS NOT FOR ME, NOT FOR THE BENEFIT
11:27:25AM OF ME, BUT WHAT I THINK BEST FOR THE.PUBLIC.
11:27:29AM IF WE WANT TO MAKE CHANGES, WE SHOULD MAKE CHANGES AND LET
11:27:33AM THE PUBLIC VOTE ON IT BY A K-MARTER CHANGE.
11:27:35AM LET THEM VOTE WHAT KIND OF GOVERNMENT.
11:27:38AM STRONG FORM OF GOVERNMENT OR NOT.
11:27:39AM THE PROBLEM HERE IS LACK OF COMMUNICATION AND LACK OF
11:27:43AM UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU GET ELECTED FOR, LEGISLATIVE AND
11:27:47AM MAYORAL.
11:27:48AM THAT'S IT.
11:27:49AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:27:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILMAN
11:27:53AM CARLSON, NO.
11:27:58AM AND IF YOU WISH TO MAKE A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST FOR MY CELL
11:28:04AM PHONE OR MY COMPUTERS, I BEG YOU, PLEASE DO IT.
11:28:09AM PLEASE DO IT.
11:28:11AM I AM NOT INSULTED BY THAT QUESTION.
11:28:14AM IT IS A FAIR AND HONEST QUESTION.
11:28:16AM BUT, AGAIN, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC RECORDS
11:28:20AM REQUEST, I AM NOT AFRAID OF IT.
11:28:21AM I HAVE BEEN SUBPOENAED BEFORE WITH OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE
11:28:24AM HAPPENED EARLIER THIS IN COUNCIL.
11:28:26AM SO, PLEASE.
11:28:27AM >>BILL CARLSON: I ASSUME YOU ARE TELLING THE TRUTH.
11:28:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DON'T ASSUME, TAKE IT AS TRUTH.
11:28:33AM >>BILL CARLSON: I AM GLAD YOU SAID THAT AND I HOPE THAT
11:28:36AM DOESN'T HAPPEN BY THE ADMINISTRATION AGAIN.
11:28:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:28:40AM WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL.
11:28:42AM DID -- CHIEF BENNETT.
11:28:45AM >>JOHN BENNETT: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
11:28:47AM GOOD MORNING -- YEAH, ACTUALLY GOOD MORNING.
11:28:50AM GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
11:28:51AM GOOD MORNING, PUBLIC.
11:28:52AM JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
11:28:54AM I THINK FROM OUR FREQUENT IN WATCHING THE FIRST READING,
11:28:57AM SECOND READING, AND NOW HERE WE ARE AFTER THE MAYOR'S VETO
11:29:01AM MEMO CAME IN BY PROCESS TO COUNCIL.
11:29:05AM FIRST OF ALL, ON THE RECORD, THE MAYOR IS TRAVELING TRYING
11:29:08AM TO BRING RESOURCES TO TAMPA FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO
11:29:13AM TAMPA FROM D.C.
11:29:15AM THAT'S WHERE SHE IS AT.
11:29:16AM HER STAFF IS HERE REPRESENTING HER INCLUDING MYSELF, THE
11:29:20AM CITY ATTORNEY FOR HER ROLE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND WE HAVE
11:29:23AM EXECUTIVE STAFF MEMBERS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANY
11:29:26AM OF THE ITEMIZED -- EITHER THE VETOES OR PROCESS SURROUNDING
11:29:31AM SUPPORTING AND IMPLEMENTING ANY OF THE RECOMMENDED
11:29:33AM ORDINANCES TO GO FORWARD TO THE PUBLIC.
11:29:36AM SO AS FAR AS THE REQUEST FROM THE ADMINISTRATION, THERE HAS
11:29:42AM BEEN SOME PHILOSOPHICAL TALK OVER SOME TIME NOW.
11:29:45AM AND THEN WE ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ENGAGE COUNCIL BEFORE EACH
11:29:52AM VOTE FOR ADMINISTRATION.
11:29:54AM A REQUEST FROM COUNCIL TO HAVE A GLOBAL DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW
11:29:57AM THE VETOES CAME ABOUT, AS FAR AS THE PROCESS GOES TO EXPLAIN
11:30:02AM THE POSITION OF THE ADMINISTRATION AND THEN BEFORE EACH VOTE
11:30:06AM ON EACH OF THE RECOMMENDED ORDINANCES THAT GO TO THE PUBLIC,
11:30:11AM WE WOULD LIKE TO JUST GIVE FEEDBACK.
11:30:13AM I DO FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I TRIED TO BE
11:30:18AM AN ACTIVE LISTENER TO COUNCIL, THE PUBLIC AND, OF COURSE,
11:30:23AM OUR STAFF FOR THREE AND A HALF YEARS AND TRY TO BRING ALL
11:30:25AM THAT COLLABORATION TOGETHER.
11:30:27AM AND THIS, AGAIN, IN A BIG CITY AS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID,
11:30:32AM IT IS GETTING MORE DYNAMIC EVERY DAY AND OUR ACCOUNTABILITY
11:30:35AM IS GETTING HIGHER EVERY DAY AND TAKES A LOT OF
11:30:38AM ACCOUNTABILITY TO MAKE SURE WE WORK TOGETHER TO GET THINGS
11:30:40AM DONE.
11:30:41AM IF COUNCIL WILL INDULGE ME, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK FOR A FEW
11:30:44AM MINUTES ABOUT -- I UNDERSTAND WE ARE TRYING TO HUSS TOLL A
11:30:48AM VOTE, BUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HUSTLING IS FOR AN OUTCOME.
11:30:51AM THE DIFFERENCE FOR PERSEVERANCE IS THE PROCESS.
11:30:55AM I THINK WE ARE TRYING TO PERSEVERE AROUND A PROCESS.
11:30:58AM I WOULD ASK THAT THE ADMINISTRATION BE ALLOWED TO GIVE THE
11:31:01AM FEEDBACK THAT WE ONLY HAD VERY LIMITED ABILITY TO DO DURING
11:31:06AM THIS PROCESS.
11:31:06AM I THINK ONE TIME ONE COUNCILMEMBER ASKED ONE STAFF MEMBER TO
11:31:11AM COME TO THE PODIUM TO GIVE FEEDBACK, OTHERWISE COUNCIL MADE
11:31:14AM US UNDERSTAND THIS WAS THEIR PROCESS AND RESPECTED THE
11:31:18AM JOURNEY.
11:31:19AM AND NOW THAT THE VETO PACKAGE IS IN, I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE AN
11:31:23AM OBLIGATION TO THE PUBLIC TO EXPLAIN WHY THAT WAS DONE AND
11:31:26AM THE MAYOR IS EPITOME OF DEMOCK A SHOW WITH HER STAFF.
11:31:30AM SHE LISTENS TO EVERY SINGLE ADMINISTRATOR AND DIRECTOR OF
11:31:35AM OPERATING THEIR SPECIFIC DEPARTMENTS BEFORE SHE MAKES A
11:31:37AM DECISION.
11:31:37AM SO ALL OF THAT NEEDS TO BE CONVEYED TO THE PUBLIC, IN MY
11:31:41AM HUMBLE OPINION.
11:31:42AM THANK YOU.
11:31:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:31:46AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: GOOD MORNING, CHIEF.
11:31:48AM WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, YOU KNOW THE CONVERSATION WE HAD THERE
11:31:50AM ON FRIDAY.
11:31:51AM PLEASANT OR NOT, WE SAID WHAT WE NEED TO SAY.
11:31:55AM TODAY YOU ARE REPRESENTING THE MAYOR -- YOU SAID THE MAYOR
11:31:58AM IS OUT OF TOWN.
11:31:59AM TRYING TO BRING MONEY TO THE CITY, WHICH IS GREAT.
11:32:01AM THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE IS WHAT MR. CARLSON IS TALKING
11:32:05AM ABOUT, WHY BRINGING CITY STAFF TO TALK TO COUNCIL ABOUT
11:32:09AM CHARTER AMENDMENTS.
11:32:09AM I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT PROCESS.
11:32:12AM IF YOU ARE REPRESENTING THE MAYOR AND -- I HAVE AN ISSUE OF
11:32:16AM DEPARTMENT HEADS AND OTHER CITY STAFF COMING BEFORE THE
11:32:19AM COUNCIL FOR CHARTER AMENDMENTS.
11:32:20AM THEY DON'T HAVE A FIGHT IN THE GAME ON THOSE THINGS.
11:32:23AM THE MAYOR VETOED THEM HOWEVER SHE FELT TO VETO THEM.
11:32:28AM MAY HAVE MET WITH YOU OR HER STAFF.
11:32:30AM I HAVE AN ISSUE OF COMING TO SPEAK ON THE ISSUE.
11:32:33AM I RESPECT THE PROCESS.
11:32:35AM I THINK THE PROCESS.
11:32:36AM IF YOU ARE HERE TO $TO REPRESENT THE MAYOR, WE WILL HEAR
11:32:39AM FROM YOU.
11:32:39AM I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS CAN
11:32:44AM CHIME IN OR NOT.
11:32:44AM I HAVE AN ISSUE FOR STAFF TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS.
11:32:48AM >>JOHN BENNETT: CAN I APPLY TO EACH ONE, CHAIRMAN?
11:32:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: TO EACH COUNCILMEMBER.
11:32:54AM >>JOHN BENNETT: IF I AM BEING ASKED A QUESTION, I WOULD LIKE
11:32:57AM TO REPLY IN REALTIME.
11:33:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE.
11:33:03AM >>JOHN BENNETT: STAFF NEEDS TO IMPLEMENT EVERYTHING THAT THE
11:33:07AM COUNCIL ADOPTS.
11:33:07AM AND THE IMPORTANT OF THAT IMPLEMENTATION.
11:33:10AM I WILL BE ABLE TO GIVE EXAMPLES OF RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE
11:33:14AM CHARTER HOW THEY WILL BE A CHALLENGE TO IMPLEMENT.
11:33:17AM THAT IS WHERE STAFF COMES IN.
11:33:20AM THEY NEED TO HEAR THAT IN REAL TIME AND WE RESPECT LISTENING
11:33:24AM TO PUBLIC AND COUNCIL TO OPTIMIZE OUR IMPLEMENTATION TO DO
11:33:28AM IT THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE.
11:33:29AM HOWEVER THIS ENDS UP, WITH HE TO IMPLEMENT.
11:33:31AM ALL 4800 EMPLOYEES HAVE TO LIVE AND BREATHE THAT
11:33:34AM IMPLEMENTATION.
11:33:35AM SO IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT THEY HEAR THINGS IN THAT GREAT
11:33:38AM DETAIL SO MAKE SURE WE SERVE THE COMMUNITY THE WAY WE
11:33:41AM COLLECTIVELY WORK TOGETHER.
11:33:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:33:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM GOING TO SAY THAT I DON'T NECESSARILY
11:33:48AM THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE BECAUSE YOU HAD FOUR OTHER CHANCES
11:33:50AM TO DO SO.
11:33:51AM AND -- I MEAN, YOU HAD FOUR CHANCES.
11:33:55AM AND YOU CAN TALK TO US ANY TIME.
11:33:57AM THIS IS THE FIRST TIME HEARING OF THIS.
11:33:58AM SO I AM NOT OKAY WITH IT.
11:34:00AM YOU COULD HAVE COME TO US.
11:34:01AM I MEAN, YOU ARE JUST -- AT THIS POINT, WE ARE JUST TRYING TO
11:34:05AM DRAG IT OUT.
11:34:06AM AND AFTER WE AGREE OR DISAGREE TO PUT THESE ON THE BALLOT.
11:34:10AM I THINK STAFF IS WELCOMED TO GO TO THE PUBLIC, BUT THE MAYOR
11:34:14AM HAD AN OPPORTUNITY DURING HER LETTER -- AND SHE DIDN'T -- AT
11:34:17AM LEAST SHE DIDN'T CONTACT ME PERSONALLY TO LET ME KNOW ABOUT
11:34:21AM IT.
11:34:21AM WE SAT DOWN FOR A MEETING.
11:34:23AM SHE DIDN'T TELL ME THE PARTICULARS FOR EACH ONE.
11:34:25AM WE HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY.
11:34:27AM SHE DIDN'T -- AT ALL DIDN'T TELL ME THERE MIGHT BE SOME
11:34:32AM PROBLEMS WITH PUTTING THESE -- IMPLEMENTING THEM.
11:34:36AM AND I DON'T SEE HOW IMPLEMENTING THE FACT THAT THE CITY
11:34:42AM COUNCIL HAS TERM LIMITS IS A PROBLEM.
11:34:44AM THAT IS NOT GOING TO AFFECT YOU ALL.
11:34:46AM SO I AM SORRY, BUT, I MEAN, I DON'T SEE A NEED.
11:34:52AM AT THIS POINT, WE ARE HERE TO OVERRIDE VETOES.
11:34:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:34:58AM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU OFTEN GET UP HERE AND TALK TO US
11:35:04AM INDIVIDUALLY AND TALK ABOUT HOW YOU ARE THE PEACEMAKER.
11:35:07AM YOU ARE THE GO OF EVERYTHING.
11:35:10AM AND YOUR CONSENSUS BUILDING EXPERIENCE, YOU THINK IT BUILDS
11:35:15AM TRUST FOR THE ELECTED BODY, LEGISLATIVE BODY FOR THE CITY OF
11:35:19AM TAMPA TO LEARN OF THE MAYOR'S VETO THROUGH GOOGLE ALERT OR
11:35:25AM -- OR THROUGH READING THE OP-ED DIRECTLY.
11:35:28AM DO YOU THINK THAT IS A RESPECTFUL WAY TO BUILD TRUST?
11:35:31AM >>JOHN BENNETT: SO I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A TIMING
11:35:33AM CONTINUUM, REALLY THE ONLY WAY POSSIBLE.
11:35:36AM THE VETO COULD HAVE BEEN DONE ALL THE WAY TO TODAY TILL
11:35:41AM NOON.
11:35:42AM >>BILL CARLSON: WHY WOULD YOU SEND A MEMO THE NIGHT BEFORE.
11:35:45AM IT OBVIOUSLY -- THIS IS WHAT I SAID.
11:35:47AM THE ADMINISTRATION LOOKS TO THE POLITICAL LENS RATHER THAN
11:35:51AM LOOKING AT BUILDING TRUST OR LOOKING AT GOOD POLICY.
11:35:54AM SOMEBODY IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE I CAN GUARANTEE SAID, WE HAVE
11:35:58AM TO BLINDSIDE THEM OTHERWISE THEY WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO
11:36:01AM RESPOND WITH AN OP-ED OR GUEST EDITORIAL.
11:36:06AM THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED.
11:36:07AM IF BUILDING TRUST, SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE CALLED US -- WHEN I
11:36:11AM MET WITH THE MAYOR AND YOU WILL VERIFY IT.
11:36:13AM I SAID I THINK YOU SHOULD MEET WITH EVERY CITY COUNCILMEMBER
11:36:18AM EVERY MONTH AND WHEN YOU DISAGREE ABOUT SOMETHING, YOU NOT
11:36:22AM ONLY CALL THE VOTES, CALL THE PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU
11:36:25AM AND SAY YOU AND I WILL DISAGREE AND CAN YOU DO IT CIVIL.
11:36:33AM INSTEAD ATTACKS.
11:36:34AM DO YOU THINK IT IS RIGHT AND GOOD USES FOR THE MAYOR STAFF
11:36:38AM TO CONSTANTLY ATTACK CITY COUNCILMEMBERS WHO DISAGREE WITH
11:36:42AM THEM?
11:36:43AM >>JOHN BENNETT: I WILL ANSWER THAT FIRST.
11:36:45AM THE MAYOR AS I SAID AGREED WITH YOU IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO
11:36:49AM DO THAT AND SHE HAS HELD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT.
11:36:52AM THAT IS THE FIRST ANSWER.
11:36:53AM THE SECOND ANSWER TO THE FIRST QUESTION WAS THAT IF YOU LOOK
11:36:56AM AT THE CONTINUUM, TWO WEEKS AGO, COUNCIL VOTED TO PUT THESE
11:37:00AM WHERE THEY ARE NOW.
11:37:01AM THE MAYOR RESPECTED THAT PROCESS.
11:37:04AM WE HAVE ALWAYS ENCOURAGED TO OUR STAFF TO START WITH "HELP
11:37:08AM ME UNDERSTAND."
11:37:10AM THE MAYOR DID THAT INVITING EVERYBODY INTO HER OFFICE
11:37:13AM QUESTION FOR MY EXPERIENCE IN THREE AND A HALF YEARS, EVERY
11:37:16AM INVITATION HAS COME FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE TO ME WITH
11:37:19AM ANYBODY FOR ANY REASON.
11:37:20AM THEY ALL GERMINATED FOR THAT.
11:37:22AM BUT HER GOAL WAS TO HELP HER UNDERSTAND BEHIND EACH ONE OF
11:37:26AM YOUR INTENTIONS ON A HUGE RESPONSIBILITY TO CHANGE THE CITY
11:37:31AM CHARTER TO MAKE SURE THAT SHE UNDERSTANDS BEFORE SHE PUTS
11:37:34AM ANY DECISION TOGETHER SHE HEARD FROM EACH ONE OF YOU
11:37:37AM INDIVIDUALLY.
11:37:38AM I SAT IN EVERY ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS AND I NEVER HEARD HER
11:37:43AM ONCE TRYING TO CHANGE SOMEONE'S OPINION BUT ONLY UNDERSTAND
11:37:47AM WHERE THIS WAS COMING FROM.
11:37:49AM THAT WAS REALLY THE GOAL OF IT.
11:37:50AM AGAIN, AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE IDEAS, EXPRESS DIFFERENCES,
11:37:53AM CHALLENGE EACH OTHER.
11:37:55AM THAT IS ALL GOOD WORK.
11:37:56AM THAT IS REALLY GOING TO BE PART -- IF I CAN GET TO DO THAT
11:37:59AM PRESENTATION, PART OF THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING
11:38:02AM CELEBRATING HOW MUCH GREAT WE DID OVER THE LAST THREE AND A
11:38:06AM HALF YEARS WHEN THREE STATISTICALLY VALID SURVEYS DONE IN
11:38:11AM THE CITY THAT SAY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR AND THE PUBLIC HAVE
11:38:16AM A 93% APPROVAL RATING THREE YEARS IN A ROW COMPARED TO THE
11:38:20AM NATIONAL AVERAGE.
11:38:21AM AN AMAZING JOB.
11:38:25AM THE COUNCIL SHOULD BE HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
11:38:27AM THE ADMINISTRATION SHOULD BE HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
11:38:29AM AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
11:38:31AM CELEBRATE THE WORK WE HAVE DONE TOGETHER.
11:38:33AM WE HAVE TAKEN MANY THINGS FROM COUNCIL AND BROUGHT THEM BACK
11:38:36AM AT THE REQUEST OF COUNCIL TO REFINE AND IMPROVE THE
11:38:39AM OUTCOMES.
11:38:40AM THE LAST THING I WILL SAY AT THIS MOMENT IS THAT ALREADY SO
11:38:43AM MANY WAYS TO MAKE CHANGE.
11:38:45AM YOU KNOW I RAISED FOUR CHILDREN AND COACHED HUNDREDS OF KIDS
11:38:49AM IN YOUTH SPORTS LIKE COUNCILMAN GUDES HAS, YOU CHANGE
11:38:53AM BEHAVIOR AT THE LOWEST DENOMINATOR POSSIBLE UNTIL IT DOESN'T
11:38:56AM WORK.
11:38:57AM AND A COMPLETE LIST OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE ON THESE FIVE
11:39:01AM AMENDMENTS THAT DON'T REQUIRE A CHARTER CHANGE.
11:39:03AM AND THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE -- THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE WHEN
11:39:06AM YOU CHANGE THINGS ITERATIVELY OPPOSED TO GOING TO THE
11:39:10AM HIGHEST LEVEL.
11:39:11AM >>BILL CARLSON: THIS OBVIOUSLY IS THE LATEST TACTIC THAT THE
11:39:16AM ADMINISTRATION IS USING AND DESPITE WHAT MISS ZELMAN SAID, A
11:39:20AM LOT OF POLITICAL TACTICS USED AGAINST US.
11:39:23AM ONE DAY 20 POLICE OFFICERS IN THE AUDIENCE PAID FOR
11:39:26AM TAXPAYERS FOR FOUR OR FIVE HOURS TO INTIMIDATE US.
11:39:29AM AND THE ADMINISTRATION -- REMEMBER THE TIME THAT THE
11:39:32AM ADMINISTRATION BROUGHT PEOPLE FROM EAST TAMPA TO SAY THEY
11:39:35AM WERE IN FAVOR OF RENTING WHILE BLACK AND GAVE THEM RIDES
11:39:39AM BACK AND FORTH.
11:39:40AM THESE ARE DIRTY TACTICS THAT HAVE BEEN USED.
11:39:43AM WE SHOULD NOT WASTE THE TIME OF THE MEMBERS OF PUBLIC AND
11:39:48AM WASTE OUR TIME.
11:39:49AM THE NEW EXCUSE, OH, WELL, YOU DIDN'T ASK ENOUGH STAFF
11:39:53AM MEMBERS TO COME UP AND GIVE THEIR OPINION.
11:39:55AM I WILL SAY IN RESPONSE, THE ADMINISTRATION HAS A CHANCE TO
11:39:58AM DO AN ADMINISTRATION UPDATE AND THE LAST FEW WEEKS, IS IT
11:40:04AM NOT DO AN UPDATE.
11:40:06AM ADMINISTRATION HAS AN OPINION.
11:40:07AM THEY COULD HAVE CALLED US.
11:40:08AM AND THE ADMINISTRATION -- I THINK WE NEED TO CALL THE
11:40:11AM QUESTION AND VOTE ON THIS.
11:40:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND
11:40:13AM [APPLAUSE]
11:40:16AM >>JOHN BENNETT: ONE FINAL THOUGHT AND I WILL RETURN IT BACK
11:40:19AM TO THE CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL IS THAT YOU LEARN AS YOU GO.
11:40:23AM EVERYTHING IS ITERATIVE.
11:40:25AM WHEN YOUR MAYOR GOT THE FEEDBACK PUT THE VETO PACKAGE
11:40:29AM TOGETHER TO BRING IT TO COUNCIL.
11:40:31AM A ITERATIVE PROCESS OF LISTENING TO THE ENTIRE JOURNEY AND
11:40:36AM LISTENING TO EACH OF YOU AND THE.PUBLIC TO MAKE THAT
11:40:39AM DECISION TO VETO EACH ONE OF THESE NOW EACH OF THEM HAS A
11:40:43AM PRESCRIPTIVE REASON FOR THAT THAT I AM HOPING WE CAN COME
11:40:47AM UP.
11:40:47AM POINT IN TIME WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT IS AFTER THE LAST
11:40:51AM MEETING WITH THE LAST COUNCIL MEMBER ON THIS TUESDAY.
11:40:53AM SO THAT IS THE TIMELINE THAT IS NOT AN END AROUND OR TRICK.
11:41:00AM >>BILL CARLSON: 20 MORE SECONDS.
11:41:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:41:05AM PROCEED WITH THE VOTING.
11:41:06AM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:41:07AM ALL IN FAVOR.
11:41:09AM EXCUSE ME, ANY FURTHER COMMENT ON THAT MOTION?
11:41:19AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, I DO HAVE -- THE QUESTION IS -- THE
11:41:23AM QUESTION IS WHETHER TO CALL THE QUESTION.
11:41:26AM THAT WAS THE MOTION.
11:41:27AM TO CALL THE QUESTION.
11:41:28AM I BELIEVE THAT WAS MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:41:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:41:35AM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:41:37AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE QUESTION IS WHAT, TO END THE DEBATE.
11:41:41AM BEAR WITH ME TO MAKE SURE THAT PROCESS GOES AS ACCORDINGLY
11:41:46AM PER THE CHARTER.
11:41:47AM IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING WHAT COUNCIL WAS GOING TO DO TAKE
11:41:51AM EACH ORDINANCE INDIVIDUALLY AND ALLOW FOR A PRESENTATION AND
11:41:54AM ALLOW FOR THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK AS PART OF WHAT THE CHARTER
11:41:58AM REFERS TO AS RECONSIDERATION.
11:42:00AM THAT WAS THE WAY IT WAS MEANT TO BE.
11:42:02AM NOW BY CALLING THE QUESTION -- THE QUESTION IS, WHAT IS ON
11:42:05AM THE FLOOR?
11:42:06AM THERE IS NO OTHER MOTION OR ACTION ON THE FLOOR.
11:42:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR -- CORRECT ME IF I'M
11:42:12AM WRONG, IS TO END THE DISCUSSION AND GO FOR A VOTE ON THESE
11:42:17AM -- ON OVERRIDING THESE.
11:42:18AM IS THAT YOUR MOTION.
11:42:20AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES, WHICH WILL INCLUDE PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:42:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT IS WHAT I PERCEIVE.
11:42:25AM AND THAT'S WHY I AM ASKING FOR A CALL ON THIS MOTION MADE BY
11:42:30AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON TO END THE DEBATE.
11:42:32AM SECONDED BY SOUNDS HURTAK.
11:42:36AM ANY DISCUSSION?
11:42:38AM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:42:38AM >>LUIS VIERA: FUNNY BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION
11:42:41AM FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS INCLUDING TO END COUNCIL SPEAKING ON
11:42:45AM IT, AS WELL AS ADMINISTRATION, BUT WHAT I WAS GOING TO
11:42:48AM SUGGEST IS, THAT MR. BENNETT WANTED TO HAVE -- I THINK THREE
11:42:52AM MINUTES FOR EACH ONE.
11:42:53AM WHY DON'T WE CALL THE QUESTION.
11:42:54AM TWO MINUTES FOR HIM.
11:42:56AM AND WE VOTE.
11:42:56AM THAT'S IT.
11:42:57AM NO MORE COUNCIL DISCUSSION.
11:42:59AM JUST TO BE REASONABLE AND JUST GO FORWARD AND VOTE.
11:43:01AM I ALREADY STATED BY THE WAY HOW I AM GOING TO VOTE.
11:43:04AM BUT THIS IS ABOUT BEING REASONABLE.
11:43:06AM LET'S DO THAT.
11:43:07AM THAT IS WHAT I WAS GOING TO MOTION FOR.
11:43:09AM SO IT IS ABOUT 90% OF WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID WITH A
11:43:13AM LITTLE SOMETHING EXTRA.
11:43:14AM THANK YOU.
11:43:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:43:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I LIKE THAT BUT I WANT TO AMEND THAT TO SAY
11:43:21AM EVERYONE GETS ONE MINUTE.
11:43:23AM PUBLIC AND STAFF.
11:43:24AM YEAH.
11:43:27AM DOES THAT WORK.
11:43:28AM >>BILL CARLSON: I ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT.
11:43:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I ACCEPT MY SECOND.
11:43:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY, MR. SHELBY, MAKE
11:43:41AM IT BRIEF.
11:43:42AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO.
11:43:42AM LET'S FIND OUT WHAT THE PLEASURE.
11:43:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
11:43:47AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:43:49AM MOTION PASSED.
11:43:50AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOW, MR. CHAIRMAN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT
11:43:53AM EACH ITEM WILL BE TAKEN UP, EACH ORDINANCE WILL BE TAKEN UP
11:43:57AM INDIVIDUALLY.
11:43:58AM IS THAT CORRECT?
11:43:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT'S CORRECT.
11:44:00AM THAT WAS THE PLAN.
11:44:01AM SO WE ARE GOING TO HEAR FROME 2020 BE 8 CHAPTER 22023-1.
11:44:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL READ IT.
11:44:20AM THIS IS AN -- AND I AM SAYING WE ARE -- WE ARE MOVING THE
11:44:23AM ORDINANCE, CORRECT, MR. SHELBY?
11:44:25AM I AM ABOUT TO READ -- WE ARE OVERRIDING THE MAYOR'S VETO IN
11:44:31AM AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE GOVERNMENT OF THE CITY OF
11:44:33AM TAMPA, FLORIDA, SUBMITTING TO THE ELECTORS OF THE CITY A
11:44:36AM PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE REVISED CHARTER OF THE CITY OF
11:44:42AM TAMPA OF 1975 TO AMENDS 9.01 TOO CLARIFY THAT STANDING
11:44:47AM BOARDS WILL BE CREATED BY CITY COUNCIL BY ORDINANCE WITHOUT
11:44:50AM REQUIRING THE MAYOR'S RECOMMENDATION PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
11:44:54AM DATE.
11:44:54AM >> SECOND.
11:44:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:44:57AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:44:59AM ANY DISCUSSION?
11:45:01AM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:45:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, I AM GOING TO SUPPORT OVERRIDING
11:45:04AM THIS BECAUSE IN 2015, THE EVERYBODY CAME UP WITH THE
11:45:07AM CREATION OF THE CRB.
11:45:09AM AND WHO HAD THE AUTHORITY TO CREATE BOARDS.
11:45:11AM AND BACK THEN, IT WAS A DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE
11:45:15AM ADMINISTRATION AND THE COUNCIL WHO HAD THE AUTHORITY.
11:45:17AM I ALWAYS BELIEVED SINCE 2015 THAT CITY COUNCIL HAD THE
11:45:20AM AUTHORITY TO CREATE BOARDS.
11:45:21AM AND THIS CAME INTO WHAT WE VOTED ON CREATING THE CRB.
11:45:26AM I THINK THIS IS A NO BRAINER.
11:45:28AM I SEE THE MAYOR'S REBUTTAL AND SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT SHE HAD
11:45:33AM AGAINST THIS REGARDING FINANCIAL AND LOGISTICAL IMPACT ON
11:45:38AM THE CITY.
11:45:38AM BUT THE CITY COUNCIL WE WILL VOTE IN THE BUDGET TO ALLOCATE
11:45:44AM FUNDS TO SUPPORT THOSE BOARDS OR NOT SUPPORT THOSE BOARDS.
11:45:51AM A PROCESS TO ACT RESPONSIBLY.
11:45:54AM I BELIEVE WHAT I BELIEVED IN 2018 WHEN WE CREATED THE BOARD.
11:45:57AM THAT IS MY SECOND AND MY EXPLANATION AS TO WHY.
11:45:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:46:01AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVE A NO BRAINER IF YOU WANT TO CALL
11:46:05AM IT.
11:46:05AM INCUMBENT ON US TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS.
11:46:08AM IN 2015, THE PROCESS WAS WHAT?
11:46:11AM A BOARD.
11:46:12AM PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT WE PUT IN BETWEEN THE
11:46:14AM ADMINISTRATION AND HAD LEGISLATIVE BODY, THE CITY COUNCIL.
11:46:21AM THAT BOARD MET FOR MANY, MANY MONTHS.
11:46:24AM BROUGHT TO THE CITY COUNCILS WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS WERE
11:46:26AM TO CHANGE THE CHARTER.
11:46:28AM THAT WAS PASSED BY THE CITY COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY.
11:46:31AM THEREFORE THIS IS A FLAWED PROCESS FROM A NO BRAINER.
11:46:34AM THAT IS WHAT IT IS CALLED.
11:46:35AM I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR CALLING ME A NO BRAINER AND AT
11:46:40AM LEAST I HAVE A NAME AND I KNOW WHO I AM.
11:46:43AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:46:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:46:46AM >>BILL CARLSON: I SAID THIS IN EVERY DISCUSSION WE HAD.
11:46:49AM THE PROCESS SINCE 1974 WHEN THE CHARTER WAS MADE THAT THE
11:46:53AM CITY COUNCIL CAN VOTE TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT TO
11:46:56AM ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO VOTE ON IT.
11:46:58AM THE NEW PROCESS THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE IN 2015 WAS NOT
11:47:03AM WRITTEN ABOUT IN THE CHARTER AND SOMETHING THAT THE CITY
11:47:06AM COUNCIL WHICH THREE MEMBERS WHO ARE HERE PUT TOGETHER A
11:47:08AM CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
11:47:10AM FOUR ON HERE PLUS TWO OTHER ATTORNEYS IN THE ROOM ON THAT
11:47:13AM CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
11:47:14AM WE HAPPEN TO HAVE SPECIALIZED EXPERTISE BECAUSE OF THAT AND
11:47:19AM THE BENEFIT OF HAVING WORKED IN THE CITY.
11:47:20AM AND WE HAD NOT JUST THE FORMAL DISCUSSIONS BUT MONTHS AND
11:47:25AM MONTHS AND MONTHS OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THESE TOPICS AND MORE
11:47:27AM THAT WERE ALL SHOT DOWN.
11:47:29AM THE -- THE CHARTER -- THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION ADDED A
11:47:37AM -- A PROPOSAL TO THE PUBLIC TO VOTE TO ADD THE CHARTER
11:47:40AM REVIEW COMMISSION.
11:47:40AM AND IT WAS ADDED.
11:47:41AM AND SO WE ARE FOLLOWING THE ORIGINAL PROCESS, NOT THE -- NOT
11:47:45AM THE NEW PROCESS, BUT NOT THAT THE PROCESS WASN'T FOLLOWED,
11:47:49AM BUT JUST A DIFFERENT PROCESS.
11:47:51AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.
11:47:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK: ONE MINUTE.
11:47:56AM >> YOU ARE CONFUSING TWO ISSUES.
11:47:58AM THE ISSUE IN 2015 WAS THE CREATION OF THE CITIZEN REVIEW
11:48:02AM BOARD FOR THE POLICE.
11:48:03AM AND WASN'T A QUESTION WHETHER THE MAYOR VERSUS THE COUNCIL
11:48:06AM COULD CREATE A BOARD, WHETHER THE COUNCIL HAD THE AUTHORITY
11:48:08AM TO CREATE A BOARD THAT WOULD ARGUABLY REGULATE THE POLICE
11:48:14AM DEPARTMENT WHICH THE THEN MAYOR ARGUED WAS CLEARLY WITHIN
11:48:17AM HIS PER VIEW, SO THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE BOARD THAT WAS
11:48:21AM THE CONTROVERSY THEN.
11:48:23AM NOT THE QUESTION OF THE CREATION OF THE BOARD.
11:48:25AM AND SOME OF YOU ARE CONFUSING THAT WITH THE CREATION OF THE
11:48:29AM CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WHICH WAS A SEPARATE ISSUE.
11:48:31AM I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
11:48:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: CHIEF, YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE.
11:48:36AM >>JOHN BENNETT: I DO.
11:48:37AM SO I THINK WHAT IS IMPORTANT ABOUT OUR MINUTE, IF YOU DON'T
11:48:44AM MIND BRINGING UP THE ELMO.
11:48:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IT'S THERE.
11:48:49AM >>JOHN BENNETT: THANK YOU.
11:48:49AM I KNOW THE.PUBLIC SAW THE NEWS BUT MAY NOT READ THE MEMO OF
11:48:54AM THE MAYOR IN DETAIL.
11:48:55AM THIS IS LIFTED FROM THE -- HIGHLIGHTED FOR THE SAKE OF TIME
11:49:00AM PAUSE I KNEW COUNCIL WILL BE INTERESTED IN THE AGENDA
11:49:03AM TIMING.
11:49:04AM SIGNIFICANT AND FINANCIAL LOGISTICAL IMPACT.
11:49:07AM AGAIN, THE STAFF WANTED TO HELP COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC
11:49:11AM UNDERSTAND THAT THESE THINGS COST TIME, MONEY, RESOURCES.
11:49:14AM WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE INCLUDED IN SUPPORTING
11:49:17AM THE DECISION, WHICH IS WHY THE BALANCE OF POWER EXISTED FROM
11:49:21AM THE BEGINNING.
11:49:22AM IF THE MAYOR CREATES A BOARD, COUNCIL HAS A APPROVE.
11:49:26AM IF COUNCIL CREATES A BOARD, THE MAYOR APPROVES TO WEIGH IN
11:49:30AM ON SUPPORTING THAT BOARD.
11:49:32AM THE BUDGET ADVISORY COUNCIL IS AN EXAMPLE HOW CHALLENGING IT
11:49:38AM IS TO GET IT DONE.
11:49:39AM NOT TO MENTION, WE SHOULD SPENT TIME TO SURVEY OUR BOARD
11:49:43AM MEMBERS TO UNDERSTAND THEIR CHALLENGES OF BEING A BOARD
11:49:46AM MEMBER.
11:49:46AM CHECKS AND BALANCES.
11:49:48AM I MENTIONED INCONSISTENT WITH ANOTHER SECTION OF THE CHARTER
11:49:51AM AND AMENDED ALREADY IN 2019.
11:49:53AM SO THANK YOU.
11:49:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. BENNETT.
11:49:58AM ANYONE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS WHO WISHES TO COMMENT TO THIS
11:50:02AM MOTION?
11:50:03AM YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE.
11:50:03AM >> INTERESTING HOW THE CHANGE THE TIMING OF PEOPLE BUT
11:50:12AM IRRESPECTIVE OF THAT.
11:50:13AM WHAT WE ARE SEEING IN THE LAST TWO AND A HALF HOURS IS A
11:50:17AM DEMONSTRATION OF A CHILD OR MINOR AND YOU DO SOMETHING WRONG
11:50:19AM AND YOU ARE APPREHENSIVE OF GOING HOME OR FACING YOUR
11:50:22AM PARENTS AND YOU DELAY BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOU ARE IN TROUBLE OR
11:50:25AM YOU HAVE UNPROTECTED SEX AND YOU FEEL A BURNING DOWN THERE
11:50:28AM AND YOU DELAY GOING TO THE DOCTOR BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOU ARE
11:50:31AM IN TROUBLE.
11:50:32AM YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO TELL YOU YOU HAVE HERPES OR AIDS AND
11:50:38AM SOMETHING DEVASTATING.
11:50:38AM WHAT ALL OF YOU ARE DOING.
11:50:40AM THE MAYOR'S STAFF AND THE CITY COUNCIL.
11:50:43AM A LOT OF DELAYS TO DO A STRAIGHT UP AND DOWN VOTE.
11:50:47AM WHY YOU ARE ONCE AGAIN DEFENDING TAXPAYERS TIME AND YOUR
11:50:52AM TIME UNNECESSARILY.
11:50:53AM WHAT HAPPENED HERE IS THE MAYOR TRYING FOR A POLYGRAPH AND
11:50:56AM YOU GUYS HAVE TO BLOCK IT.
11:50:58AM PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
11:51:00AM ALL OF THE DISCUSSION PROBABLY ISN'T NECESSARY.
11:51:02AM >> GOOFED MORNING, MY NAME IS STEPHANIE POYNOR.
11:51:13AM I THINK CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE ABLE TO CREATE ITS OWN
11:51:15AM COMMITTEE.
11:51:15AM I AM ON A COMMITTEE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A MAYORAL CANDIDATE.
11:51:18AM AND I THINK IT WORKS JUST FINE.
11:51:20AM SO I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE TO HAVE PERMISSION
11:51:23AM TO CREATE A COMMITTEE.
11:51:25AM WE HAVE STAFF WHO CREATES COMMITTEES.
11:51:28AM SO WHY CAN'T CITY COUNCIL DO IT WITHOUT SOMEBODY HOLDING
11:51:31AM THEIR HAND.
11:51:31AM I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT IN THE -- IN THE QUASHED
11:51:36AM PERIOD THAT CITY COUNCIL FOR TWO YEARS THIS MORNING, THE
11:51:41AM MAYOR RELEASED THIS -- HER VETOES 24 HOURS AGO TO THE
11:51:44AM PUBLIC.
11:51:45AM THAT IS WHY THIS ROOM IS NOT PACKED OUT.
11:51:48AM WE MET WITH TWO CANDIDATES YESTERDAY THAT DIDN'T EVEN KNOW
11:51:51AM ABOUT IT WHEN WE TALKED TO THEM.
11:51:52AM SO NOBODY KNOWS OR THEY WOULD BE HERE.
11:51:56AM THANK YOU.
11:51:56AM >> RICK PFEIFFER, EAST HANNA.
11:52:06AM YES, I AM RUNNING FOR ONE OF THE SEATS UP HERE.
11:52:09AM I HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO THIS.
11:52:10AM AND I THINK -- I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT I HAVE BEEN TRYING
11:52:14AM TO READ THE CHARTER BECAUSE IF I WANT TO RUN FOR SOMETHING,
11:52:17AM I NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE.
11:52:19AM IT SEEMS LIKE THE CHANGES BEING PROPOSED ARE RELATIVELY
11:52:22AM SIMPLE.
11:52:23AM I SEE -- I HEAR A LOT OF DRAMA OVER STRONG MAYOR IN HERE AND
11:52:27AM YOU ARE WEAKENING IT.
11:52:29AM I AM LOOKING AT THIS SAYING THESE ARE MINOR TWEAKS.
11:52:33AM I THINK IF WE TRULY ACTUALLY BELIEVE IN DEMOCRACY, WE WILL
11:52:38AM LET THE PEOPLE VOTE ON WHAT THEIR GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE IS
11:52:41AM LIKE.
11:52:41AM I DON'T THINK ANYTHING THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED THAT YOU GUYS
11:52:45AM VOTED BY VETO-PROOF MAJORITIES.
11:52:47AM BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN WATCHING.
11:52:49AM I DON'T THINK ANY OF THEM ARE UNREASONABLE.
11:52:51AM I THOUGHT YOU WERE ONLY GOING TO HAVE ONE MINUTE FOR
11:52:54AM EVERYTHING.
11:52:54AM SO THAT'S WHY I DID THIS.
11:52:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
11:52:57AM ANYBODY ELSE IN CHAMBERS WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS.
11:53:01AM >> 30 SECONDS.
11:53:02AM BASED ON WHAT I AM HEARING AND KNOW LEGALITIES GO, I
11:53:08AM RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT IF ANY INFORMATION THAT THE CITY
11:53:12AM WAS GOING TO PRESENT THAT BE RECEIVED AND FILED IN THE
11:53:16AM RECORD WHETHER HE PRESENTS IT OR NOT SO THAT I CAN HAVE A
11:53:19AM CHANCE TO LOOK AT WHAT HE WAS GOING TO PRESENT.
11:53:21AM SO IF HE HAS SOME DOCUMENTS.
11:53:23AM AND I AM GOING TO SAY THIS FIVE TIMES THAT EACH OF THOSE
11:53:27AM DOCUMENTS BE PUT IN THE RECORD BECAUSE I AM PROBABLY THE ONE
11:53:30AM TO DO ANYTHING LEGAL OR OTHERWISE.
11:53:32AM SO PLEASE HAVE WHAT HE HAS INTO THE RECORD.
11:53:36AM IF HE PRESENTS IT OR NOT.
11:53:37AM THAT IS MY REQUEST.
11:53:38AM AND THAT WILL BE EACH TIME I COME UP JUST SO I HAVE A
11:53:42AM WRITTEN RECORD OF WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO SAY PLUS WHAT
11:53:45AM EVERYBODY ELSE IS SAYING.
11:53:46AM AND I REQUEST THAT TO BE DONE.
11:53:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE ANY DOCUMENTS
11:53:51AM TO BE PRESENTED FOR ALL FIVE OF THESE ORDINANCES AND
11:53:54AM QUESTIONS.
11:53:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
11:53:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:53:59AM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:54:00AM ANY DISCUSSION?
11:54:01AM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
11:54:03AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:54:05AM THANK YOU.
11:54:05AM ANYBODY ELSE IN CHAMBERS?
11:54:10AM >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I?
11:54:11AM I HAVEN'T SPOKEN.
11:54:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:54:14AM >>LUIS VIERA: REAL QUICK.
11:54:15AM ONE MINUTE.
11:54:16AM THE GENTLEMAN SAID THIS IS REASONABLE.
11:54:18AM MR. SHELBY, QUICK QUESTION, WHEN A COUNCIL CREATES A BOARD
11:54:21AM UNDER THIS, THE MAYOR HAS A CHANCE TO VETO IT, CORRECT?
11:54:26AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF CREATED BE ORDINANCE OBVIOUSLY FOR THE
11:54:30AM CHARTER WITH THE PROCESS YOU ARE GOING THROUGH NOW, IT WILL
11:54:33AM HAVE TO BE PRESENTED TO THE MAYOR FOR EITHER HER SIGNATURE
11:54:37AM OR HER REJECTION IN RETURNING IT TO VETO.
11:54:40AM THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS, WHEN YOU CREATE AN ORDINANCE
11:54:43AM JUST AS YOU DID WITH THE CRB, IT WAS CREATED AND SENT TO THE
11:54:47AM MAYOR FOR THE MAYOR'S SIGNATURE.
11:54:49AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
11:54:50AM NOTHING FURTHER.
11:54:51AM THANK YOU.
11:54:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
11:54:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES TO OVERRIDE, CORRECT?
11:55:06AM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA VOTING NO.
11:55:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN WE TAKE A TWO-MINUTE BREAK?
11:55:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MAKE THE MOTION.
11:55:18AM STATE THE MOTION TO TAKE A TWO-MINUTE BREAK.
11:55:23AM >>LUIS VIERA: I JUST NEED TO USE THE REST ROOM.
11:55:25AM 30 SECONDS.
11:55:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:55:29AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:55:31AM [MEETING IN RECESS]
11:55:31AM
11:55:33AM [TAMPA CITY COUNCIL IN RECESS]
12:04:01PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
12:04:05PM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
12:04:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
12:04:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
12:04:09PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
12:04:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: (NO AUDIBLE RESPONSE)
12:04:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
12:04:16PM >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
12:04:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE RECORD JUST SO WE
12:04:18PM ARE ALL CLEAR, WE ARE BACK IN SESSION, BACK ON THE RECORD,
12:04:21PM AT 12:05.
12:04:23PM I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT COUNCIL'S PLEASURE IS MORE MOVING
12:04:27PM FORWARD.
12:04:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THE CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL IS THAT WE WILL
12:04:34PM GET THROUGH THESE CHARTER AMENDMENTS, OVERRIDING THE MAYOR
12:04:38PM OR NOT, BEFORE WE TWO TO LUNCH.
12:04:40PM SO THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A HARD STOP.
12:04:43PM IF IT TAKES PAST 12:30 OR 1:00 THAT'S FINE.
12:04:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND THAT'S BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT?
12:04:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT'S CORRECT.
12:04:52PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, SIR.
12:04:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I MOVE TO OVERRIDE THE MAYOR'S VETO OF AN
12:04:58PM ORDINANCE RELATING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023-2, ORDINANCE
12:05:04PM RELATING TO THE GOVERNMENT OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA
12:05:06PM SUBMITTING TO THE ELECTORS OF THE CITY A PROPOSED AMENDMENT
12:05:08PM TO THE REVISED CHARTER OF THE CITY OF TAMPA OF 1975 AS
12:05:12PM AMENDED TO CLARIFY THAT THE MAYOR'S NOMINATIONS FOR HEADS OF
12:05:16PM DEPARTMENT AND OTHER CITY EMPLOYEES AS SET OUT IN SECTION
12:05:19PM 6.03 MUST BE APPROVED BY FOUR VOTES OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND
12:05:24PM TO PROVIDE FOR INTERIM APPOINTMENT OF EXISTING CITY
12:05:27PM EMPLOYEES BY THE MAYOR FOR A MAXIMUM OF 180 DAYS PROVIDING
12:05:32PM AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
12:05:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:05:40PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:05:42PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
12:05:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY, I'M LOOKING AT THIS ONE REGARDING
12:05:48PM THE APPOINTMENTS.
12:05:49PM I WOULD GET TWO RECENT EVENTS.
12:05:52PM FIRST, THE POLICE CHIEF SITUATION, WHICH I THINK SPURRED
12:05:57PM THIS ENTIRE DISCUSSION, AND SECOND, WHEN WE APPOINTED OR
12:06:01PM SELECTED A CRA DIRECTOR, THAT DID NOT TAKE THE JOB.
12:06:06PM THOSE ARE BOTH VERY PUBLIC.
12:06:07PM THE CRA DIRECTOR WAS A PUBLIC DISCUSSION AND MEET THE PEOPLE
12:06:12PM AND EVERYTHING AND IT WAS MADE KNOWN TO EXISTING OR PREVIOUS
12:06:15PM EMPLOYER THAT THAT PERSON HAD -- TO LEAVE.
12:06:19PM THAT PERSON WAS SELECTED BUT DID NOT TAKE THE JOB.
12:06:23PM SO THAT WAS THAT.
12:06:24PM IT WAS A VERY PUBLIC PROCESS.
12:06:26PM THE PERSON DID NOT TAKE THE JOB.
12:06:28PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SITUATION IS NOW.
12:06:29PM THAT'S ONE THING.
12:06:30PM THE SECOND THING IS, AND WHAT HAPPENED IN DECEMBER, WE
12:06:34PM APPROVED A POLICE CHIEF THAT WAS APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR,
12:06:38PM WITHOUT CHOICE OF PICKING ONE PERSON OR ANOTHER.
12:06:40PM THE MAYOR CHOSE THE PERSON.
12:06:42PM WE VOTED THAT PERSON UP OR DOWN AND THAT MAYOR, IF WE HAD
12:06:46PM VOTED THAT PERSON DOWN -- SORRY -- THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN IN
12:06:51PM AN INTERIM POSITION AND STAYED THERE, WHATEVER.
12:06:53PM AND I WILL WRAP IT UP QUICKLY AND I APOLOGIZE.
12:06:56PM THE MAYOR HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY TO SUPERVISE, MANAGE AND
12:06:59PM THE POWER TO REMOVE OR TERMINATE DEPARTMENT HEADS IN CITY
12:07:02PM ADMINISTRATION.
12:07:02PM THAT'S THE ADMINISTRATOR.
12:07:04PM IN THE SITUATION WITH THE POLICE CHIEF I THINK THE MAYOR
12:07:06PM ACTED SWIFTLY AFTER THE LETTER OF RESIGNATION AND THAT
12:07:10PM PERSON WAS TERMINATED.
12:07:11PM BECAUSE OF THAT, I THINK AS IT IS NOW, I THINK IT WORKS.
12:07:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS IS SAYING.
12:07:21PM WHAT THIS IS SAYING IS THE THAT BASICALLY THE INTERIM
12:07:26PM DEPARTMENT HEAD HAS TO BE A CITY EMPLOYEE.
12:07:28PM THAT'S WHAT IT'S SAYING.
12:07:30PM SO THAT WAS THE PROBLEM WITH THE POLICE CHIEF VOTE, AND I
12:07:34PM WAS NOT ON THIS COUNCIL DURING THAT TIME.
12:07:35PM I WAS A CITIZEN WHO WAS UPSET ABOUT THAT.
12:07:38PM BUT BECAUSE I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE GOT -- AS A CITIZEN, WE
12:07:42PM GOT ANY REAL INPUT THERE.
12:07:44PM SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE MAYOR
12:07:47PM APPOINTED SOMEONE FROM NOT IN THE CITY AS AN INTERIM
12:07:51PM DIRECTOR, AND THEN JUST SAID, OH, BY THE WAY, WE ARE GOING
12:07:55PM TO START CALLING HER THE POLICE CHIEF, NOT GIVING HER THE
12:07:57PM INTERIM TITLE, WITH I WE ARE USING RIGHT I KNOW FOR INTERIM
12:08:00PM CHIEF BERCAW AND WE ARE USING THAT TITLE.
12:08:04PM AND THAT SHE JUST STARTED THAT VERY DAY WITHOUT APPROVAL
12:08:07PM FROM COUNCIL.
12:08:08PM BUT THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT IF WE DECIDED, NO, WE
12:08:11PM DIDN'T WANT HER, SHE WOULD HAVE TO NOW THEN LEAVE THE
12:08:14PM POSITION AND SHE HAD GONE THROUGH ALL THIS HR WHEN SHE
12:08:18PM REALLY DIDN'T HAVE A RIGHT TO DO THAT.
12:08:19PM AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS -- THIS IS CLOSING THAT LOOPHOLE
12:08:22PM ABOUT INTERIM APPOINTMENTS.
12:08:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:08:30PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT'S, SAID BUT
12:08:32PM I LOOK AT IN A NORMAL WAY, IN THE LIFE THAT I LIVE IS THAT
12:08:37PM YOU CERTAINLY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR CHILDREN, BUT YOU ARE
12:08:41PM NOT GOING TO GO TO JAIL FOR SOMETHING THAT THE CHILDREN DO,
12:08:46PM MEANING THAT NO MATTER WHO THE MAYOR IS, THAT MAYOR MAKES AN
12:08:49PM APPOINTMENT OF SOMEONE, THAT MAYOR IS NOW RESPONSIBLE FOR
12:08:54PM WHAT THAT PERSON DOES SOMEWHERE ELSE, NOT DISREGARDING THIS
12:08:58PM POSITION THAT HE OR SHE HAS IN THE CITY. IN THIS CASE, THE
12:09:01PM MAYOR IS NOT THE ONE THAT SHOWED THE BADGE, THE MAYOR IS NOT
12:09:05PM THE ONE THAT SPOKE OUT, IT WAS THE APPOINTEE THAT SPOKE THAT
12:09:10PM AND THAT APPOINTMENT WAS SWIFTLY REMOVED.
12:09:12PM SO THE POINT IS IT WAS THE APPOINTEE THAT WAS CHARGED, AND
12:09:20PM THE APPOINTEE IS NO LONGER HERE.
12:09:21PM THAT'S ALL.
12:09:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:09:25PM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, AND TO ALL OF THESE AND ALL THE ONES
12:09:30PM WE TALKED ABOUT FOR THE IDEA OF TAKING AWAY POWER FROM THE
12:09:33PM STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT CAME UP AND THAT'S NOT AT
12:09:36PM ALL TRUE IN THIS CASE.
12:09:37PM IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN TRUE THAT THE MAYOR NOMINATES SOMEBODY
12:09:40PM AND CITY COUNCIL APPROVES.
12:09:42PM WE CLARIFIED A LITTLE BIT IN THE LAST CHARTER CHANGES IN THE
12:09:45PM USE OF THE WORD INTERIM, BUT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN TRUE THAT THE
12:09:49PM MAYOR CANNOT APPOINT SOME DEPARTMENT HEAD WITHOUT CITY
12:09:52PM COUNCIL APPROVAL.
12:09:53PM WE ARE NOT CHANGING THAT.
12:09:54PM WE ARE NOT ADDING THAT NOW.
12:09:55PM THAT'S ALREADY BEEN TRUE FOR A LONG TIME.
12:09:57PM IF CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T LIKE THE NOMINEE, WE HAVE ALWAYS
12:10:03PM BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT.
12:10:05PM ALL THIS DOES IS IT PREVENTS THE PROBLEM THAT SOME OF THE
12:10:08PM STAFF MENTIONED, WHAT HAPPENS IF A MAYOR BRINGS IN SOMEBODY
12:10:11PM FROM OUTSIDE, SAYING YOU ARE GOING TO GET THE JOB, DON'T
12:10:15PM WORRY, I AM GOING TO GET YOU, AND THAT PERSON HAS GIVEN UM A
12:10:18PM JOB IN ANOTHER PLACE AND RELOCATED THEIR FAMILY AND THEN
12:10:22PM THEY COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AND CITY COUNCIL SAYS NO.
12:10:24PM ALL THAT DOES, IT REALLY PROTECTS THE APPLICANT MORE THAN
12:10:27PM ANYTHING.
12:10:28PM IT DOESN'T TAKE POWER AWAY FROM THE MAYOR BECAUSE OTHERWISE
12:10:31PM IT'S A STRONG ARM TACTIC LIKE WE EXPERIENCED IN DECEMBER.
12:10:34PM WE NEED TO CLARIFY THIS SO WE DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS IN THE
12:10:37PM FUTURE.
12:10:37PM [BELL SOUNDS]
12:10:38PM THANK YOU.
12:10:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: CHIEF BENNETT.
12:10:41PM >>JOHN BENNETT: AGAIN, I'M LISTING FROM THE LANGUAGE IN THE
12:10:50PM MAYOR'S MEMO IN HER STEAD RIGHT NOW.
12:10:52PM YOU KNOW, IT IS ABOUT THE PROCESS.
12:10:54PM THIS IS CHANGING THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT BY COUNCIL
12:10:57PM ESSENTIALLY POINTING A DEPARTMENT HEAD OR ADMINISTRATOR TO
12:11:01PM REPORT THEN TO THE MAYOR AFTER THE FACT.
12:11:04PM IT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON.
12:11:06PM THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT OVER
12:11:10PM THE TIME WHEN I GOT HERE ABOUT IMPROVING THE PROCESS, IF
12:11:14PM THERE IS A MISINTERPRETATION OF THE CURRENT CHARTER BY DOING
12:11:17PM A RESOLUTION.
12:11:18PM SO WE FEEL LIKE A RESOLUTION OF HOW WE ENGAGE THIS PROCESS,
12:11:23PM UNTIL SUCH TIME WE NEED TO DO IT FURTHER IN A PROCESS WOULD
12:11:26PM BE BENEFICIAL.
12:11:27PM THIS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT CHANGES THE FORM OF
12:11:30PM GOVERNMENT FOR THE CITY.
12:11:31PM >> I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ONE THING.
12:11:41PM IT'S NOT ACCURATE TO SAY THE ONLY THING IT CHANGES IS THE
12:11:44PM INTERIM APPOINTMENT.
12:11:47PM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION DISCUSSED AT LENGTH,
12:11:51PM RECOMMENDED, THE VOTERS APPROVED, ADDING LANGUAGE TO 6.03
12:11:56PM SAYING THAT IF THE MAYOR SUBMITTED A NAME, WAS VOTED DOWN,
12:12:01PM SHE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO RESUBMIT THAT NAME.
12:12:04PM NOW YOU ARE TAKING THAT AWAY.
12:12:05PM SO THAT'S CHANGING SOMETHING THAT WAS JUST CHANGED.
12:12:08PM I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
12:12:11PM AND I ALSO CAN'T AGREE THAT CHANGING APPOINTMENT AND
12:12:17PM CONFIRMATION TO NO, MA'AM KNEE AND POINTING IS NO CHANGE.
12:12:21PM IF IT IS, WHY DO IT?
12:12:22PM BUT THE FACT IS YOU ARE CHANGING IT.
12:12:24PM YOU ARE PUTTING THE MAYOR IN THE POSITION OF BEING THE
12:12:26PM NOMINATOR AND THE COUNCIL IN THE POSITION OF THE POSITION OF
12:12:30PM POINTING DEPARTMENT HEADS RATHER THAN THE MAYOR DOING IT.
12:12:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:12:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW MANY TIMES CAN THE MAYOR RESUBMIT A
12:12:38PM NAME?
12:12:39PM IS THERE A LIMIT?
12:12:41PM OR CAN IT JUST IN PERPETUITY FOREVER AND EVER, KEEP
12:12:45PM RESUBMITTING AFTER BEING VOTED DOWN?
12:12:51PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: IN THE EVENT OF DISAPPROVAL BY THE CITY
12:13:02PM COUNCIL OF ANY SAID APPOINTMENTS THE MAYOR WITHIN 90 DAYS
12:13:06PM THEREAFTER SHALL SUBMIT OR RESUBMIT TO THE CITY COUNCIL THE
12:13:08PM NAME OF THE APPOINTEE.
12:13:11PM SO IN THEORY, THE MAYOR COULD RESUBMIT OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
12:13:16PM THAT CLEARLY WAS NOT THE INTENT WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS AT
12:13:19PM THE CHARTER REVIEW.
12:13:20PM THE POINT WAS THAT SOMETIMES THE MAYOR, FOR INSTANCE WHEN A
12:13:23PM NEW MAYOR COMES INTO OFFICE, HAS TO ACT QUICKLY, BRINGS
12:13:27PM NAMES TO COUNCIL, THEY MAY NOT HAVE REALLY HAD AN
12:13:30PM OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE PERSON,
12:13:33PM HISTORICALLY THE MAYOR DIDN'T LOBBY THE COUNCIL IN ADVANCE
12:13:37PM ON APPOINTMENTS, THAT WAS SOMETHING WE DISCUSSED AT CHARTER
12:13:40PM REVIEW.
12:13:41PM SO THE POINT IS, AGAIN, WE DISCUSSED THIS AT THE CHARTER
12:13:45PM REVIEW COMMISSION, BUT THERE ARE GOING TO BE OCCASIONS WHERE
12:13:50PM SOMEONE IS NOT CONFIRMED BY THE COUNCIL AND THEN THE MAYOR
12:13:54PM MAY WANT TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS
12:13:58PM MORE TIME TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT PERSON, TO INTERVIEW THAT
12:14:01PM PERSON, WHATEVER, AND THIS WOULD GIVE THE MAYOR THE ABILITY
12:14:04PM TO DO THAT.
12:14:06PM [BELL SOUNDS]
12:14:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:14:08PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAD CHALLENGES WITH THIS FROM DAY ONE.
12:14:15PM YOU RECALL I ASKED SEVERAL TIMES, SUPPOSE THE APPOINTEE BE
12:14:20PM RECOGNIZED BY COUNCIL, BECAUSE COUNCIL WOULD WISH TO TALK TO
12:14:24PM THAT APPOINTEE, AND WE STARTED TO DO THAT A LITTLE BIT AND
12:14:32PM WE DROPPED OFF AND STARTED TO DO IT AGAIN.
12:14:34PM SO I APPRECIATE THOSE EFFORTS.
12:14:36PM BUT THIS IS CLEAR.
12:14:37PM AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE HAVING A DISCUSSION ON
12:14:39PM THIS WHEN WE ALL SIT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THESE CITIZENS,
12:14:43PM AND THEY WERE ANGERED BY THIS.
12:14:46PM AND IT IS A NOMINATION.
12:14:48PM THE MAYOR IS NOMINATING SOMEONE.
12:14:51PM AND THIS GIVES A CONFIRMATION, WHICH IS AN APPOINTMENT.
12:14:56PM AND FROM THAT POINT THE MAYOR CAN DO WHATEVER HE OR SHE
12:14:58PM WANTS TO DO WITH THAT APPOINTEE, OR HIRE OR FIRE, WHATEVER,
12:15:03PM NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
12:15:04PM BUT AT THE BEFORE PROCESS, AND THE SAME BODY, THIS BODY
12:15:13PM NOMINEE COMES BEFORE US AND WE CAN'T VOTE ON IT?
12:15:16PM [BELL SOUNDS]
12:15:16PM THAT'S ASININE.
12:15:18PM I THINK THE INTENT IS PERFECT.
12:15:24PM >>BILL CARLSON: MS. ZELMAN, SORRY TO MAKE YOU GET UP AGAIN.
12:15:34PM SORRY, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHEN IT WAS, SOMEBODY SAID
12:15:38PM DECEMBER.
12:15:38PM BUT WHEN CITY COUNCIL VOTED TO CONFIRM WHATEVER WORD YOU
12:15:41PM WANT TO USE OF THE POLICE CHIEF, THE LAST POLICE CHIEF --
12:15:46PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: IN FEBRUARY OF LAST YEAR.
12:15:48PM >>BILL CARLSON: OKAY, FEBRUARY.
12:15:49PM SORRY, MY MEMORY IS NOT THAT GREAT ON DATES.
12:15:53PM BUT ANYWAY, IN THAT VOTE, I THINK IT WAS 4-2, BUT LET'S SAY
12:15:59PM IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND, AND 4 VOTED AT THAT TIME HAD 4
12:16:04PM VOTED AGAINST WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THE AMERICAN, THE
12:16:06PM NOMINEE, WHATEVER, WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED BY THE CHARTER
12:16:10PM AS IT WAS THEN?
12:16:11PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THE MAYOR WOULD HAVE HAD THE ABILITY TO
12:16:13PM RESUBMIT THAT NAME, OR SHE WOULD HAVE SUBMITTED ANOTHER
12:16:17PM NAME.
12:16:18PM >>BILL CARLSON: BUT THE FACT IS UNDER THE CHARTER AS IT IS
12:16:20PM NOW, THE MAYOR CANNOT, WITHOUT ANY CHANGES IN THE CHARTER,
12:16:25PM THE MAYOR CANNOT PUT SOMEBODY IN A POSITION WITHOUT CITY
12:16:27PM COUNCIL APPROVAL.
12:16:28PM IS THAT CORRECT?
12:16:29PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: CORRECT.
12:16:30PM YOU HAVE TO CONFIRM HER APPOINTMENT.
12:16:32PM >>BILL CARLSON: SO WE ARE NOT TAKING AWAY THE POWER
12:16:34PM WHATEVER WE CALL IT OF THE MAYOR TO APPOINT PEOPLE.
12:16:38PM WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD THE POWER TO REJECT.
12:16:40PM DOES THAT GO BACK TO 74 OR JUST THE POWER TO SAY NO?
12:16:44PM DOES THAT GO TO THE ORIGINAL CHARTER DO YOU KNOW?
12:16:46PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I DON'T KNOW OFFHAND.
12:16:48PM >>BILL CARLSON: SO WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE BASIC NATURE.
12:16:50PM IT'S A STRONG MAYOR -- BUT I AM JUST TALKING ABOUT ON THIS
12:16:53PM POINT, BUT WHAT'S HAPPENED IS IT'S BEEN INTERPRETED THE
12:16:56PM OTHER WAY.
12:16:57PM SO THE NEXT THING WAS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE PUBLIC
12:16:59PM REALLY WAS UPSET ABOUT IS WHEN THE POLICE CHIEF WAS
12:17:03PM NOMINATED, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THE MAYOR SAID THIS IS
12:17:06PM MY CHOICE, BUT IT HAD NOT -- THE VOTE HAD NOT COME BEFORE
12:17:10PM CITY COUNCIL YET.
12:17:11PM INSTEAD OF CALLING THAT PERSON INTERIM POLICE CHIEF, SHE
12:17:14PM CALLED THE PERSON THE POLICE CHIEF.
12:17:16PM HERE IS THE POLICE CHIEF.
12:17:17PM WELL, TECHNICALLY BY THE CHARTER WAS THAT PERSON, THE POLICE
12:17:20PM CHIEF, NOT THE INTERIM, THAT PERSON THAT POLICE CHIEF BEFORE
12:17:25PM CITY COUNCIL VOTED TO APPROVE?
12:17:27PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I THINK UNDER THE CHARTER, SHE HAS TO FILL
12:17:30PM A VACANCY, AND I THINK THOSE OTHER -- SOMEONE TOLD ME THIS,
12:17:34PM BUT UNDER SOME LAW ENFORCE.
12:17:38PM UNIQUE THING THERE HAS TO BE A POLICE CHIEF IN PLACE WHETHER
12:17:40PM YOU CALL THEM INTERIM, ACTING --
12:17:43PM >>BILL CARLSON: MAYBE FOR LEGAL PURPOSES IT HAD TO BE
12:17:45PM CALLED SOMETHING ELSE BUT DON'T YOU THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN
12:17:48PM MORE ACCURATE AND RESPECTFUL TO CALL THE PERSON INTERIM,
12:17:50PM WHATEVER, JUST LIKE SOMEONE SAID, CHIEF BERCAW NOW IS CALLED
12:17:55PM INTERIM.
12:17:56PM ISN'T THAT -- THE FIRE CHIEF WAS CALLED INTERIM.
12:17:59PM BUT FOR SOME REASON THAT PARTICULAR ONE DIDN'T USE THE WORD
12:18:02PM INTERIM.
12:18:02PM AND THAT'S WHY THE PUBLIC FELT STRONG ARMED.
12:18:05PM BY THE OLD CHARTER, THE PERSON WAS NOT PERMANENT BECAUSE
12:18:09PM CITY COUNCIL HAD NOT APPROVED THE PERSON, RIGHT?
12:18:11PM IT WAS AN INTERIM POSITION.
12:18:12PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: CORRECT.
12:18:13PM >>BILL CARLSON: SO WE AREN'T CHANGING THOSE POINTS. CITY
12:18:16PM COUNCIL ALWAYS HAD THE POWER TO REJECT OR APPROVE.
12:18:19PM AND THE TITLE IS NOT PERMANENT UNTIL CITY COUNCIL --
12:18:24PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: YOU ARE SAYING WORDS MATTER, WHETHER YOU
12:18:26PM CALL THEM INTERIM, ACTING OR THE POLICE CHIEF, WORDS MATTER
12:18:30PM WHETHER YOU SAY THE MAYOR GETS TO NOMINATE OR APPOINT, OR
12:18:33PM CITY COUNCIL GETS TO CONFIRM OR APPOINT.
12:18:35PM YOU ARE TAKING THE APPOINTMENT AWAY FROM HER BY MAKING THIS
12:18:40PM CHANGE.
12:18:40PM AND THIS GOES TO THE QUESTION THAT COUNCIL ASKED EARLIER,
12:18:45PM WHAT I HEARD THE MAYOR SAY WAS THAT SHE WANTS TO WORK WITH
12:18:49PM THE COUNCIL TO FIND SOLUTIONS TO THESE ISSUES.
12:18:53PM SOMETHING LIKE A PROCESS.
12:18:55PM YOU COULD ADOPT A RESOLUTION SAYING THAT WE HEREBY RESOLVE
12:18:59PM THAT WE WILL NOT CONFIRM AN APPOINTMENT IF THE FOLLOWING
12:19:03PM HASN'T HAPPENED, AND YOU CAN TALK ABOUT INTERVIEWS WITH THAT
12:19:06PM PERSON.
12:19:07PM WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU WANT THAT COULD FIX WHAT YOU THINK
12:19:10PM WENT WRONG.
12:19:11PM >>BILL CARLSON: DON'T YOU THINK THAT OBJECTION SHOULD HAVE
12:19:12PM BEEN BROUGHT UP WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING IT A FEW MONTHS AGO?
12:19:16PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: FROM MY PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE, WHEN I TRIED
12:19:20PM TO SPEAK AT THE FIRST COUNCIL WORKSHOP, IT WAS -- I FELT,
12:19:25PM AND MAYBE I MISREAD THE ROOM -- THAT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR
12:19:29PM FROM THE ADMINISTRATION.
12:19:31PM YOU ASKED FOR OUTSIDE COUNSEL, NOT HAVE OUR OFFICE INVOLVED.
12:19:35PM SO WE DID STOP RAISING OBJECTIONS.
12:19:39PM >>BILL CARLSON: SO BEFORE MY TIME RUNS OUT, SORRY, I KNOW
12:19:43PM SHE'S GOING TO CUT MY TIME HERE IN A SECOND.
12:19:45PM I WANT TO ASK A FINAL QUESTION.
12:19:47PM WHATEVER WE CALL LET'S SAY THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION, POLICE,
12:19:51PM APPOINTEE, THAT SOMEHOW CITY COUNCIL HAS SOME POWER OVER
12:19:54PM THIS PERSON.
12:19:55PM ISN'T IT TRUE EVEN IF THIS PASSES THAT THAT PERSON WILL
12:19:57PM CONTINUE TO REPORT TO THE MAYOR?
12:19:59PM AND THAT THE MAYOR WILL DO THE ANNUAL SURVEY, CITY COUNCIL
12:20:02PM HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, AND EVEN WITH THE SITUATION WITH
12:20:05PM THE LAST POLICE CHIEF, COULD WE HAVE -- COULD CITY COUNCIL
12:20:09PM HAVE FIRED THAT PERSON?
12:20:10PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: NO.
12:20:11PM >>BILL CARLSON: AND EVEN WITH THESE CHANGES, CAN CITY
12:20:14PM COUNCIL, IF THESE CHANGES ARE APPROVED BY COUNCIL CAN CITY
12:20:19PM COUNCIL FIRE THAT PERSON OR CHANGE THEIR SALARY OR REVIEW
12:20:22PM THEM IN ANY KIND OF NEGATIVE WAY OR HAVE ANY KIND OF
12:20:25PM ADMINISTRATIVE POWER OVER THEM WHATSOEVER?
12:20:28PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I BELIEVE THE SALARY IS PART OF THE BUDGET
12:20:30PM SO YOU HAVE A SAY IN THAT.
12:20:32PM >>BILL CARLSON: BUT STILL THEY REPORT TO THE MAYOR.
12:20:34PM I CAN CALL IT AN APPOINTEE.
12:20:36PM SO REALLY IT IS NOT THAT THIS PERSON SOMEHOW BY CHANGING
12:20:39PM WITH ONE WORD NOW REPORTS TO CITY COUNCIL.
12:20:41PM ONE OF THE PROPOSALS I HAD WAS TO GIVE US THE RIGHT TO FIRE
12:20:45PM THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND THE MAYOR DIDN'T LIKE THAT ONE.
12:20:48PM BUT, ANYWAY, YOU ULTIMATELY REPORT TO THE MAYOR.
12:20:53PM WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER ANY OF THESE POSITIONS OTHER THAN TO
12:20:56PM SAY "YES" OR "NO" IN THAT VOTE.
12:20:58PM CORRECT?
12:20:59PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: WELL, THE CITY CLERK CAN'T BE FIRED
12:21:03PM WITHOUT A VOTE.
12:21:04PM CITY COUNCIL, AND I BELIEVE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY WOULD NOT
12:21:06PM BE ABLE TO BE FIRED WITHOUT OBVIOUSLY THE VOTE OF CITY
12:21:09PM COUNCIL.
12:21:10PM SO YOU DO HAVE SOME SAY.
12:21:11PM BUT, YEAH, THE DEPARTMENT HEADS REPORT TO THE MAYOR, AND
12:21:15PM SHE'S THE ONE WHO HIRES AND FIRES.
12:21:18PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST A LAST ITERATION. IF WE FOUND ONE OF
12:21:21PM THE MAYOR'S STAFF WAS DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL OR UNETHICAL
12:21:25PM YOU STILL COULDN'T FIRE THEM, RIGHT?
12:21:27PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: NO, BUT YOU COULD CERTAINLY REPORT IT TO
12:21:29PM THE MAYOR, COULD YOU ASK MAKE A MOTION TO LOOK INTO IT.
12:21:34PM THERE ARE ACTIONS CITY COUNCIL CAN TAKE.
12:21:37PM >>BILL CARLSON: OKAY.
12:21:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
12:21:39PM THANK YOU.
12:21:39PM DOES ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS?
12:21:41PM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
12:21:48PM I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE KEEP TRYING TO BACK STAB
12:21:52PM THE ORDINANCE WHEN WE HAVE GOTTEN THIS FAR IN THE
12:21:55PM CONVERSATION.
12:21:56PM IT'S LIKE, OKAY, LET'S THROW THIS CAR AWAY AND GO BACK AND
12:22:00PM GET A NEW ONE.
12:22:01PM WE ARE GOING TO WALK BACK THERE BUT WE ARE GOING TO GET A
12:22:04PM NEW ONE.
12:22:05PM I JUST -- IT'S DUMBFOUNDING TO ME TO KEEP HAVING THIS
12:22:09PM CONVERSATION OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
12:22:10PM AND YOU KNOW WHAT?
12:22:12PM BOTTOM LINE IS, THE CRA FIRING PROCESS LOOKED GOOD.
12:22:19PM THE POLICE CHIEF HIRING PROCESS, NOT SO MUCH.
12:22:22PM AND THE CITIZENS WERE REALLY TICKED OFF ABOUT THE HIRING
12:22:25PM PROCESS FOR THE CHIEF BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T INCLUDED.
12:22:30PM AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE GENTLEMAN WHO WAS THE INTERIM
12:22:36PM DID NOT GET INCLUDED IN THE PUBLIC FORUM.
12:22:40PM SO BOTTOM LINE IS ALL WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS THE TEMPORARY
12:22:43PM EMPLOYEE.
12:22:45PM THIS IS THE A TEMPORARY JOB.
12:22:46PM THIS ISN'T THE PERMANENT POSITION.
12:22:47PM THIS IS JUST FOR THE TEMPORARY JOB.
12:22:49PM SO LET'S ACT LIKE THAT.
12:22:52PM [BELL SOUNDS]
12:22:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
12:23:01PM >> JOE ROBINSON.
12:23:08PM I'M GOOD.
12:23:10PM >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL?
12:23:12PM PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
12:23:13PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA AND A MANISCALCO
12:23:23PM VOTING NO.
12:23:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023-3.
12:23:47PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:23:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SURE.
12:23:50PM IF NO ONE ELSE JUMPS IN I WILL DO IT.
12:23:53PM I MOVE TO OVERRIDE THE VETO OF THE MAYOR FOR AN ORDINANCE
12:23:57PM RELATING TO THE GOVERNMENT OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA
12:23:59PM SUBMITTING TO THE ELECTORS OF THE CITY A PROPOSED AMENDMENT
12:24:02PM TO THE REVISED CHARTER OF THE CITY OF TAMPA OF 1975 AS
12:24:06PM AMENDED TO AMEND SECTION 2.02 TO REVISING TERM LIMITS OF
12:24:11PM CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO LIMIT THE ABILITY OF MEMBERS OF CITY
12:24:13PM COUNCIL TO SERVE MORE THAN A TOTAL OF 4 CONSECUTIVE FULL
12:24:17PM TERMS EFFECTIVE WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA ELECTION IN 2027
12:24:22PM PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
12:24:22PM >> SECOND.
12:24:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SECOND
12:24:27PM BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:24:28PM ANY DISCUSSION?
12:24:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I AM GOING TO SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE I
12:24:34PM DISAGREE WITH THE POINT HERE THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF 7
12:24:39PM NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS AND A NEW MAYOR, WHATEVER, WITHOUT
12:24:43PM STAGGERED TERMS AND NO INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE.
12:24:45PM I DISAGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE IN 2011 IT WHATS A MAJORITY OF
12:24:49PM CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND A NEW MAYOR, BUT THINGS WORKED OUT,
12:24:52PM AND THEY HAD THEIR KNOWLEDGE FROM WHATEVER BACKGROUNDS, AND
12:24:55PM I DIDN'T SEE CHAOS OR ANYTHING IN AN ISSUE THERE SO I AM
12:25:00PM GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
12:25:01PM THANK YOU.
12:25:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COUNCILMAN?
12:25:07PM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, IF THE ADMINISTRATION HAD CONCERNS
12:25:09PM ABOUT THE STAGGERING OF SEATS THEN THEY COULD HAVE TALKED
12:25:13PM ABOUT THAT MONTHS AGO.
12:25:17PM THIS WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE PEOPLE COME AND GO ANYWAY.
12:25:21PM IT WILL HAPPEN NATURALLY.
12:25:23PM BUT I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW, THIS ONE, DESPITE WHAT
12:25:26PM THE MAYOR DID, HAS SAID THAT THESE USURP THE POWER OF THE
12:25:32PM MAYOR'S OFFICE.
12:25:33PM THIS ONE TAKES AWAY THE POURER OF CITY COUNCIL.
12:25:36PM WE ARE LIMITING OURSELVES.
12:25:38PM WE ARE SAYING THAT WE CANNOT RUN AGAIN.
12:25:42PM SO THAT MEANS WHEN CHARLIE MIRANDA IS ALMOST 100, HE CAN'T
12:25:46PM RUN AGAIN.
12:25:47PM SO -- BUT THE REST OF US ARE GOING TO BE DONE A LOT EARLIER.
12:25:52PM WE ARE LIMITING OURSELVES HERE.
12:25:53PM SO I JUST WANT THE RECORD TO BE CLEAR THAT WE ARE IN FAVOR
12:25:57PM OF LIMITING OURSELVES ALSO.
12:25:58PM WE ARE JUST TRYING TO PUT GOOD GOVERNMENT FORWARD.
12:26:01PM THANK YOU.
12:26:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IT IS MY OPINION, AND I HAVE HEARD SO MANY
12:26:05PM TIMES TODAY, LET'S LEAVE IT UP TO THE VOTERS.
12:26:09PM I HAVE NO INTENTION IF REELECTED TO RUN AFTER THAT.
12:26:15PM IF WE ARE GOING TO LEAVE IT UP TO IT VOTERS FOR THESE
12:26:17PM CHARTER AMENDMENTS, WE SHOULD ALSO LEAVE IT UP TO THE VOTERS
12:26:20PM ON WHO THEY WANT TO ELECT.
12:26:22PM THANK YOU.
12:26:22PM >> I DON'T KNOW THAT I AM GOING TO BE 100 BUT I DO HAVE
12:26:35PM LONGEVITY.
12:26:36PM MY GRANDMOTHER DIED AT 96, MY UNCLE PASSED AWAY ABOUT EIGHT
12:26:37PM MONTHS AGO AT 94, AND MY OTHER AUNT DIED AT 97 ABOUT SIX
12:26:42PM MONTHS AGO.
12:26:43PM SO YOU TAKE AWAY THE SAME THINGS YOU ARE GIVING AWAY, BUT
12:26:51PM THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
12:26:52PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:26:52PM HAVE A NICE DAY.
12:26:53PM >>BILL CARLSON: I ALWAYS SAY THAT CHARLIE MIRANDA IS THE
12:27:03PM HEALTHIEST OF ALL OF SO I HOPE HE LIVES TO BE WAY PAST 100.
12:27:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SHALL WE RECORD OUR VOTES?
12:27:11PM EXCUSE ME, I THOUGHT STEPHANIE POYNOR WAS UP HERE.
12:27:18PM IT WASN'T?
12:27:19PM SORRY.
12:27:19PM COME ON UP HERE, PUBLIC.
12:27:20PM GIVE US YOUR COMMENTS ON THIS.
12:27:24PM AND WE HAVE CHIEF BENNETT.
12:27:28PM YOU FIRST.
12:27:28PM >>JOHN BENNETT: CHIEF OF STAFF AGAIN LISTING FROM THE
12:27:37PM MAYOR'S VETO MEMO.
12:27:39PM I THINK THE STAGGERING OF TERMS COMPORTS TO THE BENCHMARK
12:27:45PM PROCESS WHATS THE CRC.
12:27:47PM OBVIOUSLY IT'S HIGHLIGHTED DOWN BELOW WAS VOTED AGAINST THIS
12:27:50PM PROPOSAL IN 2017.
12:27:52PM IT'S NOT THAT WE CAN'T CHANGE OR FIND NEW WAYS TO GET
12:27:55PM THROUGH THINGS, BUT I THINK THE CONCERN FROM THE
12:27:57PM ADMINISTRATION IS THE COINCIDENCE OF TURNOVER AND
12:28:01PM INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE FOR THE CITY MOVING FORWARD.
12:28:03PM YES, IT CAN HAPPEN, BUT USUALLY WITH INCUMBENTS IT TENDS TO
12:28:07PM HAPPEN LESS FREQUENTLY.
12:28:09PM SO BY DOING IT THIS WAY, AGAIN FLUSHING IT OUT OVER A LONGER
12:28:12PM PERIOD OF TIME, WITH I WAS DONE A COUPLE YEARS AGO WITH THE
12:28:16PM CRC, WAS TO HER POINT IN THAT MEMO.
12:28:19PM THANK YOU.
12:28:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE.
12:28:21PM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
12:28:26PM IF YOU WANTED STAGGERED TERMS YOU SHOULD HAVE ASKED FOR IT.
12:28:30PM SORRY OF THE
12:28:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
12:28:38PM PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
12:28:39PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA AND CITRO VOTING
12:28:47PM NO.
12:28:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:28:54PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST TO ADD ONE MORE THING.
12:28:56PM ONE OF THE ALLEGATION IT IS ADMINISTRATION HAS SHOWN US IS
12:29:00PM WE ARE BRINGING BACK ISSUES REVIEWED BY THE CHARTER REVIEW
12:29:03PM COMMISSION.
12:29:04PM THIS ONE IN PART WAS AND I WAS ONE OF THE PROPOSERS OF IT.
12:29:07PM I AM NOT THE ONE THAT ORIGINALLY BROUGHT THIS CONCEPT UP.
12:29:10PM I THINK I AMENDED IT AT SOME POINT BUT THE OTHERS WERE NOT
12:29:14PM PROPOSED AND REJECT.
12:29:15PM THIS ONE, THOUGH, WHEN I TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE CHARTER
12:29:17PM REVIEW COMMISSION I PROVIDED SETTING BETTER TERM LIMITS WITH
12:29:22PM THE MAYOR AND THE MAYOR WAS AGAINST TERM LIMITS FOR HIM SO
12:29:26PM HE FOUGHT AGAINST BOTH OF THESE.
12:29:28PM SO THAT'S HOW IT ENDED LAST TIME.
12:29:30PM THANK YOU.
12:29:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE ARE NOW GOING TO BE DISCUSSING THE VETO
12:29:34PM OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 02-23-4.
12:29:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I MAKE A MOTION TO OVERRIDE THE VETO OF AN
12:29:46PM ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE GOVERNMENT OF THE CITY OF TAMPA,
12:29:49PM FLORIDA SUBMITTING TO THE ELECTORS OF THE CITY A PROPOSED
12:29:52PM AMENDMENT TO THE REVISED CHARTER OF THE CITY OF TAMPA OF
12:29:55PM 1975 AS AMENDED TO AMEND SECTION 5.01 TO PROVIDE TO THE
12:30:00PM CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD TO SELECT A LEGAL COUNSEL WHO IS NOT A
12:30:04PM CITY EMPLOYEE TO ADVICE THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD WITH
12:30:07PM FUNDING PROVIDED BY THE CITY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
12:30:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION THAT IS MADE BY
12:30:13PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:30:18PM ANY DISCUSSION?
12:30:20PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
12:30:20PM >>LUIS VIERA: YEAH, AND I HAD A QUESTION FOR MR. SHELBY.
12:30:24PM I WANTED TO MAKE SURE ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THIS IS RELEVANT,
12:30:27PM WHICH IS IF THIS IS PASSED AND THE VOTERS ULTIMATELY SUPPORT
12:30:30PM THIS, ISN'T IT TRUE THAT WE NEED AN ORDINANCE TO IMPLEMENT
12:30:33PM THIS?
12:30:34PM AND ISN'T IT TRUE THAT WITHIN THAT ORDINANCE WE CAN DEAL
12:30:36PM WITH ISSUES SUCH AS THE BUDGET, AND ISSUES NOT DIRECTLY
12:30:40PM DEFINED IN THE CHARTER, AND IS THAT TRUE?
12:30:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, WITH REGARD TO THE BUDGET, I THINK
12:30:47PM YOU HAVE TO BE MORE SPECIFIC.
12:30:48PM CERTAINLY YOU HAVE THE BUDGETARY ABILITY WHENEVER THE BUDGET
12:30:52PM IS PRESENTED TO YOU.
12:30:55PM COUNCILMAN VIERA, PRESENTLY, YOUR ORDINANCE, 18-8,
12:31:00PM SUBSECTION H-6, PRESENTLY PROVIDES FOR AN ASSISTANT CITY
12:31:05PM ATTORNEY SERVING AS THE LEGAL ADVISER TO THE CRB AND SHALL
12:31:08PM NOT BE AN ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY WITH REGARDS TO DEPARTMENT
12:31:11PM PROVIDED HOWEVER THERE IS EXISTING CONFLICT OF INTEREST AS
12:31:16PM DEFINED BY THE FLORIDA BAR RULES AS DETERMINED BY THE CITY
12:31:19PM ATTORNEY, THE CITY ATTORNEY MAY ENGAGE OUTSIDE COUNCIL FOR
12:31:21PM THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE TO THE CRB ON SUCH MATTERS TO
12:31:25PM WHICH SUCH CONFLICT EXISTS.
12:31:27PM AND I BELIEVE THERE IS A COMPANION, I SUSPECT, IF YOU CALL
12:31:32PM IT THAT, AN EXECUTIVE ORDER, BUT WITH REGARD TO YOUR
12:31:35PM SPECIFIC QUESTION, IF THIS DOES GET PRESENTED TO THE VOTERS
12:31:39PM AND THE VOTERS DO PASS THAT, THE CHARTER PROVISION WILL THEN
12:31:44PM MAKE THIS ORDINANCE INCONSISTENT WITH THE CHARTER, AND THIS
12:31:47PM ORDINANCE WOULD HAVE TO BE AMENDED IN ORDER TO BE
12:31:51PM CONSISTENT.
12:31:51PM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, I ASKED THAT QUESTION
12:31:54PM BECAUSE I THINK FOR MANY PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC, THE CRB IS
12:31:58PM SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
12:32:01PM THERE AREN'T UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE.
12:32:03PM FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE PUBLIC ALL THIS DOES IS RIGHT NOW
12:32:06PM THERE IS A CITY ATTORNEY WHO SERVES AS THE ATTORNEY FOR THE
12:32:08PM BOARD, AND THIS MERELY HAS AN ATTORNEY WHO IS NOT DIRECTLY A
12:32:13PM CITY EMPLOYEE.
12:32:15PM AND NOTHING RADICAL IS CHANGING FROM THIS AT ALL.
12:32:17PM THE MAIN ISSUE THAT I THINK THAT I WANT TO ADDRESS IS TO
12:32:20PM MAKE SURE THAT WE STILL HAVE TO DO AN ORDINANCE ONCE IT
12:32:23PM PASSES TO IMPLEMENT IT SO THAT IT ISN'T JUST SELF-EXECUTING
12:32:28PM AND THAT IF THERE'S ANY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT ARISE
12:32:32PM NOT FROM THE DIRECT LANGUAGE OF THE CHARTER AMENDMENT, THE
12:32:36PM PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENT, BUT THAT BE ADDRESSED
12:32:40PM RESPONSIBLY.
12:32:41PM THAT IS WHY I ASKED THAT.
12:32:42PM I THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWER.
12:32:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IN ADDITION TO THAT JUST OBVIOUSLY STATING
12:32:46PM THAT WHATEVER ORDINANCE COUNCIL ADOPTS WILL HAVE TO BE
12:32:50PM PRESENTED TO THE MAYOR.
12:32:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:32:53PM >> SO I DIDN'T KNOW THIS BUT ON JUNE 28, 2022 THE CRB VOTED
12:33:00PM 6-2 THEY DID NOT WANT AN INDEPENDENT COUNSEL BECAUSE THEY
12:33:03PM WERE SATISFIED WITH THE STATUS QUO BUT IN 2021 AN ASSISTANT
12:33:08PM CITY ATTORNEY WHO DOES NOT REPRESENT THE TPD WILL SERVE AS
12:33:11PM THE CRB'S LEGAL ADVISER, WHICH WE KNEW THAT FROM 2021
12:33:16PM BECAUSE WE VOTED FOR IT.
12:33:17PM ALSO IN 2021 IT ALLOWS ALREADY FOR THE HIRING OF AN OUTSIDE
12:33:21PM ATTORNEY IN THE CASE OF A CONFLICT.
12:33:23PM SO THE CRB HAS NEVER ASKED FOR THAT PROVISION I DON'T KNOW
12:33:29PM UNTIL RECENTLY IF IT HAS BEEN INVOKED.
12:33:31PM IS THIS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY?
12:33:33PM THE BOARD VOTED THAT THEY DID NOT WANT IT, AND NOW BECAUSE
12:33:36PM OF WHAT WE VOTED FOR, OKAY, I THINK THROUGH THE WHOLE CRB
12:33:42PM PROCESS IN 2015, IN 2021 IT ALREADY ALLOWS THEM TO HIRE AN
12:33:46PM OUTSIDE ATTORNEY IN THE CASE OF A CONFLICT.
12:33:48PM THIS IS WHAT IT'S SAYING HERE.
12:33:51PM SO IS THIS NECESSARY, IS MY QUESTION, AND WHAT WILL IT COST
12:33:54PM REGARDLESS?
12:33:56PM [BELL SOUNDS]
12:33:58PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M CONFUSED.
12:33:59PM I THOUGHT THE PRESIDENT, THE BOARD CHAIRMAN, CAME THROUGH
12:34:03PM AND SAID THAT THEY DID SUPPORT THAT.
12:34:07PM I REMEMBER THAT.
12:34:08PM FROM THE FLOOR: I HEARD THAT, TOO.
12:34:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE.
12:34:13PM [SOUNDING GAVEL]
12:34:15PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DON'T NOT WHERE THAT CAME FROM BUT I
12:34:17PM DON'T BELIEVE MUCH OF WHAT THE PAPER SAYS THESE DAYS, BUT
12:34:20PM THE PRESIDENT OR CHAIRMAN CAME TO CITY COUNCIL AND TOLD THEM
12:34:26PM BECAUSE THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY, AND TOLD THEM THAT THEY
12:34:29PM SUPPORTED THAT.
12:34:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT'S WHAT HE SAID.
12:34:36PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M SORRY.
12:34:38PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: IF I MAY JUST CLARIFY THERE.
12:34:42PM WERE TWO ISSUES THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT.
12:34:44PM ONE WAS GIVING THE CRB SUBPOENA POWER AND ONE WAS THE
12:34:48PM OUTSIDE ATTORNEY.
12:34:49PM THEY VOTED 6-2 THAT THEY DID NOT WANT THE OUTSIDE ATTORNEY.
12:34:54PM ON SUBPOENA POWER THEY CAME TO COUNCIL AND SAID WE VOTE FOR
12:34:58PM YOU TO TAKE THAT TO THE VOTERS.
12:35:00PM THAT WAS THE DISTINCTION.
12:35:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:35:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU, I MEAN, THIS OUTSIDE
12:35:11PM ATTORNEY IS JUST GOING TO WORK -- WE ARE NOT CREATING
12:35:14PM SOMETHING NEW FOR THIS.
12:35:18PM AND THAT BOARD IS ONLY HERE FOR NOW.
12:35:22PM THAT BOARD IS GOING TO CHANGE OVER.
12:35:23PM WE ARE DOING SOMETHING THAT WILL LIVE THROUGHOUT THE BOARD,
12:35:27PM AND THAT THE CITIZENS -- I MEAN, LITERALLY, WE GET ATTACKED
12:35:32PM TOO EVERY TIME WE TALK ABOUT THIS.
12:35:33PM SO I WOULD ABSOLUTELY ARGUE THAT THE PUBLIC REALLY DOES WANT
12:35:35PM THIS, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT EXPENSIVE BECAUSE THAT
12:35:38PM PERSON IS ONLY BEING PAID WHEN THEY ARE WORKING ON THIS
12:35:43PM ACTUAL ISSUE.
12:35:43PM IT'S GOING TO BE SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT PART OF THE CITY.
12:35:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:35:50PM >>BILL CARLSON: IT'S NOT GOING TO COST VERY MUCH MONEY.
12:35:54PM IT ALSO BY THE WAY IS NOT AN ATTACK ON THE POLICE
12:35:57PM DEPARTMENT, DESPITE WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION SAYS, HAVING
12:35:59PM OBJECTIVE LEGAL COUNSEL, IT SHOULD HELP THE POLICE OFFICERS
12:36:03PM WHO ARE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
12:36:07PM ALL THIS DOES IS IT PROVIDES OBJECTIVITY.
12:36:10PM SOME OF THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS I PROPOSED WOULD FIX THE
12:36:14PM CONFLICT OF INTEREST OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.
12:36:16PM THE CITY ATTORNEY BY CHARTER REPRESENTS THE MAYOR, THE CITY
12:36:20PM COUNCIL, THE BOARD MEMBERS OF THESE COMMITTEES, AND OTHERS,
12:36:26PM AS WELL AS THE CITY.
12:36:27PM THERE'S INHERENT CONFLICT OF INTEREST THERE, AND WE KNOW
12:36:29PM THAT FROM PROVEN RECORD THAT SOME CITY ATTORNEYS HAVE
12:36:34PM MISINTERPRETED THE CHARTER, IN PARTICULAR IN AROUND THIS
12:36:36PM ISSUE.
12:36:37PM THE MOST RECENT ONE IS 2018, CITY ATTORNEY WROTE A TWO
12:36:42PM PARAGRAPH MEMO WITHOUT TELLING CITY COUNCIL THAT GUESS WHAT,
12:36:44PM WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BEFORE CITY COUNCIL TO GET APPROVAL FOR
12:36:47PM SETTLEMENTS ANYMORE.
12:36:48PM THAT WAS COMPLETELY ILLEGAL.
12:36:49PM HE ALSO SAID IN THAT MEMO THAT IT SQUASHED ANY PRIOR
12:36:52PM ORDINANCES.
12:36:53PM THE CHARTER DOES NOT ALLOW THAT.
12:36:54PM IT WAS AN ILLEGAL IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR WE WROTE FILE
12:36:58PM LAWSUITS ABOUT THAT, TO STOP PEOPLE FROM MISINTERPRETING THE
12:37:01PM CHARTER.
12:37:01PM ALL THIS DOES IS SENDS THE CITY ATTORNEY REPORTS TO THE
12:37:04PM MAYOR AND MAKES SURE THAT THE LEGAL COUNSEL -- PELL BELL
12:37:08PM IMAGINE YOU GET A MAYOR WHO IS ANTI-POLICE.
12:37:10PM IT COULD WORK AGAINST THE POLICE IN THAT SITUATION, TOO.
12:37:12PM AN OUTSIDE ATTORNEY HAS TO BY OUR RULES GET INDEPENDENT
12:37:17PM COUNSEL.
12:37:18PM THANK YOU.
12:37:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:37:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
12:37:23PM AS I HEARD IT, IF THERE'S A DISPUTE BETWEEN THE PARTIES,
12:37:28PM THEN THEY HIRE AN OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO SETTLE THE DISPUTE.
12:37:31PM IS THAT CORRECT, CITY ATTORNEY, PRESENTLY?
12:37:34PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: UNDER THE CURRENT -- YES, IF THE CRB
12:37:38PM DETERMINES THAT THERE'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND THE CITY
12:37:41PM ATTORNEY LOOKS AT IT, HE OR SHE DETERMINES THAT THERE IS A
12:37:45PM CONFLICT, THEY CAN HIRE OUTSIDE COUNSEL.
12:37:49PM I ACTUALLY WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING.
12:37:51PM TWO OF YOU SAY THIS WON'T COST THAT MUCH.
12:37:54PM AS SOMEONE -- AND MORRIS COULD SPEAK TO IT MORE THAN ME --
12:37:57PM AS SOMEONE WHO IS CURRENTLY SIGNING THE INVOICES FOR OUTSIDE
12:38:02PM COUNSEL, WHICH WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THOSE COSTS UNDER
12:38:04PM CONTROL, IT IS VERY EXPENSIVE.
12:38:08PM THE DAYS WHEN ATTORNEYS OUTSIDE THE CITY WERE WILLING TO
12:38:11PM TAKE CITY WORK AT A SIGNIFICANTLY DISCOUNTED RATE ARE OVER.
12:38:17PM IN ORDER TO GET DECENT ATTORNEYS, WE ARE PAYING RELATIVELY
12:38:20PM HIGH HOURLY RATES, AND YOU CAN'T EXPECT AN ATTORNEY TO JUST
12:38:24PM COME TO A BOARD MEETING AND SIT THERE FOR TWO HOURS AND ONLY
12:38:27PM CHARGE FOR THOSE TWO HOURS.
12:38:28PM THEY NEED TO PREPARE FOR IT.
12:38:30PM THEY NEED TO READ THE AGENDA.
12:38:31PM THEY NEED TO READ THE BACKUP BACK DOCUMENTATION.
12:38:36PM THEY NEED TO TAKE CALLS FROM BOARD MEMBERS IN BETWEEN.
12:38:40PM YOU WOULD BE SHOCKED AT HOW QUICKLY HOURS GET RATCHETED UP
12:38:45PM AND BILLS GET BIGGER AND BIGGER.
12:38:47PM AND WE REALLY NEED TO FLUSH THAT OUT BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT
12:38:52PM ACCURATE TO SAY, "THIS WON'T COST MUCH."
12:38:55PM IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU THINK IS MUCH.
12:38:58PM BUT THE LEGAL FEES THAT WE ARE PAYING OUTSIDE COUNSEL ADD UP
12:39:01PM QUIET PRETTY QUICKLY.
12:39:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE 1.9 BILLION BUDGET
12:39:06PM DOES IT COST TO HAVE OUTSIDE COUNSEL?
12:39:15PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE TELLING.
12:39:17PM I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE ARE SPENDING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF
12:39:21PM DOLLARS EVERY YEAR ON OUTSIDE COUNSEL.
12:39:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO THAT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO 1% OR A PORTION
12:39:26PM OF 1%, CORRECT?
12:39:28PM I'M JUST ASKING.
12:39:29PM IS THAT CORRECT?
12:39:30PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I WASN'T HIRED TO DO MATH SO I DON'T KNOW.
12:39:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT WE CAN SAY PRETTY CLEARLY THAT IT'S LESS
12:39:39PM THAN ONE HALF OF ONE PERCENT.
12:39:42PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: OKAY.
12:39:43PM AS I SAID, GIVE PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS OF THE
12:39:45PM WORD NOT COST THAT MUCH.
12:39:47PM TO ME, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IS A LOT OF MONEY,
12:39:50PM BUT I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
12:39:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
12:39:58PM CHIEF BENNETT.
12:39:59PM >>JOHN BENNETT: CHIEF OF STAFF.
12:40:04PM ONCE AGAIN, LIFTING THE PART OF THE MAYOR'S MEMO ON THE
12:40:09PM VETO, JUST TO ANSWER A FEW QUESTIONS THAT I HEARD.
12:40:11PM $100,000 THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT WOULD OUTFIT A SINGLE
12:40:16PM OFFICER WITH THEIR HIRING AND THEIR EQUIPMENT SO JUST FOR
12:40:18PM SOME RELATIVITY ON THAT BECAUSE IT WOULD COME PROSECUTE THE
12:40:20PM GENERAL FUND.
12:40:21PM THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
12:40:22PM SO JUST A DETAIL THERE
12:40:24PM I THINK THE REASON THAT THE MAYOR WANTED TO MEAT WITH ALL OF
12:40:26PM YOU IS BECAUSE TWO THINGS.
12:40:28PM ONE, THE CRB DID VOTE THIS DOWN, AND THAT'S WHY IT WAS PUT
12:40:32PM IN THE MEMO.
12:40:33PM AND THEN SECONDLY, WE WENT THROUGH A VERY INTENSE EXERCISE
12:40:37PM TO REVAMP THE R.
12:40:40PM THE MAYOR WAS THE ONE THAT TOOK AWAY THE EXECUTIVE ORDER AND
12:40:44PM WORKED WITH COUNCIL TO BUILD AN ORDINANCE TO WORK TOGETHER
12:40:47PM COLLABORATIVELY ON THIS, AND SHE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT CHANGED
12:40:50PM BETWEEN THEN AND NOW THAT THIS HAD TO GO INTO THE CHARTER.
12:40:54PM AND THEN THE LAST POINT, THERE IS NOTHING IN THE CHARTER NOW
12:40:56PM ABOUT THIS AREA, SO NOW WE HAVE A ONE-OFF IN THE CHARTER
12:41:00PM THAT DEALS WITH SOMETHING THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED BY
12:41:03PM ORDINANCE, AND THEN THE VERY LAST TO THAT IS WE CAN USE AN
12:41:08PM ORDINANCE OR AMEND THE CURRENT ORDINANCE TO GET EXACTLY WHAT
12:41:10PM WE ARE WORKING ON.
12:41:11PM [BELL SOUNDS]
12:41:11PM AND SHE SAID SHE IS COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH COUNCIL ON IT.
12:41:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CHIEF BENNETT, YOU HAVE WERE IN MY MEETING
12:41:19PM WITH THE MAYOR.
12:41:20PM I JUST WANT A QUICK YES OR NO.
12:41:22PM DID SHE ASK ME THAT QUESTION?
12:41:25PM >> I'M SORRY, WHAT QUESTION WOULD THAT BE?
12:41:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE REALLY NEED THIS.
12:41:32PM DIDN'T WE TALK ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE, OR AT ALL?
12:41:36PM >>JOHN BENNETT: HER QUESTION WAS AN OPEN ENDED QUESTION
12:41:38PM ABOUT HELPING TO UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE ITEMS FROM COUNCIL'S
12:41:41PM PERSPECTIVE.
12:41:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT I AM MAKING SURE.
12:41:45PM IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION BUT WE DID NOT
12:41:49PM BECAUSE SHE DID NOT ASK ME THAT QUESTION.
12:41:51PM >>JOHN BENNETT: BUT SHE WAS THE ONE THAT OPENED THE DOOR TO
12:41:54PM GET FEEDBACK AS TO WHY THIS WAS NECESSARY.
12:41:57PM AN OPEN ENDED QUESTION TO EVERYBODY THAT I SAT IN IS, HELP
12:42:00PM ME UNDERSTAND THESE CHANGES.
12:42:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, IT'S A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION.
12:42:07PM >>BILL CARLSON: CHIEF, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, SHOTS NO
12:42:10PM COST LIKE $250,000 A YEAR AND IT'S BEEN PROVEN TO BE
12:42:14PM COMPLETELY INEFFECTIVE, OUT OF 500 CALLS THAT WASTED POLICE
12:42:17PM OFFICER TIME, POLICE OFFICERS COMPLAINTS ABOUT WASTE OF TIME
12:42:21PM AND GO AWAY FROM REAL CRIMES, IT RESULTED IN 25 CHARGES THAT
12:42:25PM PROBABLY WERE ALL CALLED IN BY 911 ANYWAY.
12:42:28PM SO FOR $250,000 HOW MANY OFFICERS COULD WE HIRE FOR THAT?
12:42:33PM >>JOHN BENNETT: TWO AND A HALF BASED ON YOUR QUESTION.
12:42:35PM AND --
12:42:37PM >>BILL CARLSON: THAT'S A DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY BUT
12:42:40PM THERE ARE TWO SOFTWARE PACKAGES THAT POLICE OFFICERS HAVE TO
12:42:42PM FILL OUT AND THEY COMPLAIN THAT IT'S REDUNDANT, IT'S TAKING
12:42:45PM A LOT OF TIME TO FILL OUT TWO SYSTEMS, AND THEY SHOULD BE
12:42:50PM SPENDING THAT TIME IN THE FIELD.
12:42:52PM THAT TIME ALONE COULD FREE UP A LOT OF TIME.
12:42:54PM AND MY LAST QUESTION RELATED TO THIS IF THE MAYOR HAD PUT
12:42:58PM OUT THE HANNA AVENUE PROJECT TO BID INSTEAD OF JUST SIGNING
12:43:01PM OFF FOR $108 MILLION AND WE SAVED $5 MILLION BY LET'S SAY 5%
12:43:08PM BY PUTTING IT OUT FOR BID, HOW MANY POLICE OFFICERS COULD WE
12:43:11PM HAVE HIRED FOR $5 MILLION?
12:43:14PM >>JOHN BENNETT: DIVIDED BY 100 THAT YOU.
12:43:16PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE BIGGEST ISSUE WITH POLICE OFFICERS
12:43:21PM RIGHT NOW ARE THEY ARE STRESSED OUT AND THEY WANT MORE
12:43:25PM OFFICERS TO HELP AND THEY WANT LESS PAPERWORK AND BUILD
12:43:28PM TRUST IN THE COMMUNITY.
12:43:30PM HAVING INDEPENDENT COUNSEL PROTECTS THE PUBLIC.
12:43:33PM THE REASON WHY THIS IS HERE IS BECAUSE AT LEAST THE PRIOR
12:43:36PM ADMINISTRATION CREATED HOSTILE POLICIES THAT OPPRESSED THE
12:43:41PM EAST TAMPA, OPPRESSED THE BLACK COMMUNITY, AND IT'S CAUSED
12:43:44PM TAMPA TO HAVE A HORRIBLE REPUTATION.
12:43:46PM RIGHT NOW, RIGHT I KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THE ADMINISTRATION
12:43:49PM TRIED TO HIDE IT, WE ARE UNDER THE SECOND CIVIL RIGHTS
12:43:53PM INVESTIGATION SEVEN YEARS BECAUSE OF PROGRAMS THAT THE LAST
12:43:57PM MAYOR AND HIS CHIEF OF POLICE, WHO IS NOW THE MAYOR,
12:44:00PM CREATED.
12:44:01PM AND THESE ARE JUST TWO PROGRAMS THAT WERE FOUND THROUGH
12:44:04PM INVESTIGATIVE REPORTS BY THE "TAMPA BAY TIMES."
12:44:06PM IMAGINE WHAT ELSE IS OUT THERE THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT.
12:44:09PM THESE ARE NOT PROGRAMS CREATED BY THE POLICE OFFICERS.
12:44:11PM IN FACT THE POLICE OFFICERS DON'T LIKE THEM.
12:44:13PM THEIR PROGRAMS CREATED BECAUSE WE HAD PEOPLE ON TOP OF THE
12:44:17PM CITY WHO INTENTIONALLY CREATED RACIST PROGRAMS THAT
12:44:21PM OPPRESSED, AND THE PUBLIC, AS PART OF THE SETTLEMENT FOR
12:44:24PM THAT, WANTED THE CRB, AND THEN PRIOR ADMINISTRATIONS TRIED
12:44:29PM TO EDIT THE CRB DOWN AND ALL THE PUBLIC ASSEMBLY IS ASKING
12:44:32PM FOR NOW IS GIVE US AN ATTORNEY WHO DOESN'T WORTH TO THE
12:44:35PM MAYOR BECAUSE WOO F WE GET ANOTHER MAYOR WHO INSISTS ON
12:44:38PM PROTECTING AND HIDING AND DEFENDING RACIST POLICIES WE WANT
12:44:41PM AN ATTORNEY THAT WE CAN RELY ON THAT TELLS THE TRUTH.
12:44:46PM >>JOHN BENNETT: UNDERSTOOD, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE
12:44:48PM MAYOR DID IN THE LAST ORDINANCE IS MADE A PROVISION FOR AN
12:44:51PM OUTSIDE ATTORNEY TO SUPPORT COUNSEL AND THE CRB AND THE
12:44:55PM PUBLIC AFTER AN ELONGATED WORKSHOP WITH THE PUBLIC HOSTED BY
12:44:59PM USF.
12:45:00PM BY THE WAY, DOJ AND DEA BROUGHT ALMOST 40 PERSONNEL FROM
12:45:06PM MAJOR CITIES BECAUSE THEY DO BELIEVE THAT THE TAMPA POLICE
12:45:07PM DEPARTMENT IS DOING THE --
12:45:11PM >>BILL CARLSON: ARE THEY NOT INTERVIEWING PEOPLE RIGHT NOW
12:45:13PM ABOUT RENTING WHILE BLACK?
12:45:16PM >> I DON'T KNOW, I JUST KNOW THAT THE DOJ HAS A LOT FAITH IN
12:45:19PM OUR OFFICERS.
12:45:21PM >>BILL CARLSON: HAVING OBJECTIVE ATTORNEY ALSO PROTECTS THE
12:45:23PM POLICE OFFICERS.
12:45:24PM IMAGINE HOW VULNERABLE THE POLICE OFFICERS ARE HAVING TO GO
12:45:27PM THROUGH THIS PUBLIC PROCESS.
12:45:28PM THEY I AM SURE WOULD WANT AN OBJECTIVE ATTORNEY BECAUSE THEY
12:45:32PM DON'T WANT ANY POLITICS INSERTED IN THIS AT ALL.
12:45:35PM SO ALL WE ARE ASKING FOR, THERE WAS SO MUCH MONEY BEING
12:45:38PM WASTED IN THIS ADMINISTRATION, WE NEED OBJECTIVITY, WE NEED
12:45:41PM TO PAY FOR OUTSIDE COUNSEL BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN IT IN
12:45:45PM THE PAST.
12:45:47PM >> WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED BY ORDINANCE.
12:45:49PM THE BIG CONCERN WITH THE CHARTER IS WE DIDN'T HEAR ANY
12:45:53PM SCOPE.
12:45:53PM THE SCOPE OF MONEY, THE SCOPE OF SELECTION PROCESS, THE
12:45:56PM SCOPE OF PROTECTING THE CRB AS A BODY WHO IS DOING THE
12:46:00PM VOLUNTEER WORK.
12:46:01PM WE WANTED TO HEAR ALL OF THAT SCOPE.
12:46:03PM WE HADN'T HEARD THAT.
12:46:04PM SO THAT WAS THE REASON THE MAYOR VETOED THIS TO UNDERSTAND
12:46:07PM MORE OF THAT SCOPE AND WHY SHE INVITED EVERYBODY TO THE
12:46:10PM TABLE TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THAT.
12:46:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
12:46:13PM >>LUIS VIERA: THREE THINGS.
12:46:15PM WHEN I SUGGESTED THAT THE OUTLINE IN TERMS OF HOW WE GO,
12:46:21PM THIS IS KIND OF -- AND AGAIN, NOT CHIEF BENNETT, NOT
12:46:26PM COUNCILMAN CARL SEASON, NOT POINTING AT EITHER ONE, BUT JUST
12:46:29PM DO MOVE THIS FORWARD, BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE KNOW HOW THEY
12:46:32PM ARE GOING TO VOTE, ET CETERA.
12:46:33PM AND JUST REALLY QUICK, JUST A POINT, I GUESS, IF YOU WILL,
12:46:37PM WITH REGARDS TO -- I TRIED NOT TO CALL IT AN INDEPENDENT
12:46:42PM ATTORNEY BUT A SEPARATE ATTORNEY.
12:46:44PM FOR EXAMPLE, AN ATTORNEY YOU GET INTO AN ACCIDENT AND YOU
12:46:47PM ARE INSURED BY ALLSTATE, ALLSTATE WORKS FOR AN ALLSTATE IN
12:46:52PM HOUSE JUST LIKE CITY ATTORNEY WORKS IN-HOUSE.
12:46:55PM THEY ARE BY VIRTUE OF BEING A MEMBER OF THE FLORIDA BAR,
12:46:59PM RULES AND EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE PAID BY ALLSTATE.
12:47:02PM ALLSTATE MAY GO TO AN INDEPENDENT LAW FIRM JUST LIKE IS THE
12:47:06PM CITY WILL PAY FOR THAT OUTSIDE ATTORNEY EVEN THOUGH THEY
12:47:09PM HAVE THE SAME ETHICAL DUTIES, JUST LIKE THE CITY ATTORNEY
12:47:12PM HAS THE SAME ETHICAL DUTIES TO THE CRB JUST LIKE THE OUTSIDE
12:47:16PM ATTORNEY WOULD HAVE THE SAME RULES BY THE CRB.
12:47:21PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:47:21PM [BELL SOUNDS]
12:47:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I JUST HEARD SOMETHING EARLIER, THE SHOT
12:47:27PM SPOTTER WAS PAID FOR OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.
12:47:30PM THAT'S PAID FOR BY GRANT.
12:47:31PM IT WAS RECEIVED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
12:47:34PM >>JOHN BENNETT: I BELIEVE SHOT SPOTTER WAS PAID FOR BY A
12:47:41PM GRANT.
12:47:41PM I THINK IT STARTED OUT WITH A GRANT AND SOMETIMES GRANTS
12:47:45PM CONVERT IN PART OR IN WHOLE TO GENERAL FUND PROCESS.
12:47:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT IS MONEY NOT BEING SPENT OUT OF THE
12:47:51PM GENERAL FUND?
12:47:53PM >>JOHN BENNETT: FROM THE BEGINNING.
12:47:54PM I WOULD HAVE TO GET YOU THE HISTORY OF IT.
12:47:57PM I DON'T HAVE IN THE FRONT OF ME.
12:47:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I AM GOOD REQUEST THAT.
12:48:00PM MS. ZELMAN, DO WE HAVE ANY VOTING RECORD OF THE MEMBERS OF
12:48:03PM THE CRB ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE?
12:48:05PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I HAVE IT UPSTAIRS, YES.
12:48:08PM I CAN GET IT.
12:48:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WELL, IT WAS 6-2 AGAINST IT.
12:48:14PM WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE HUMAN RIGHTS ORGANIZATION.
12:48:18PM WE KNOW HOW THAT REPRESENTATIVE VOTED?
12:48:20PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I AM NOT UNDERSTANDING THE QUESTION.
12:48:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ON THE CRB OF THE.
12:48:27PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: OH, I DON'T KNOW.
12:48:29PM I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK.
12:48:29PM I MEAN, TIFF MINUTES OF THAT MEETING AND THE VOTE IN A NOTE
12:48:33PM BOOK UPSTAIRS.
12:48:34PM IF YOU WANT, I CAN GET IT.
12:48:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
12:48:40PM WE WILL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME.
12:48:41PM >> MY NAME IS DAVID JONES, DISTRICT 7.
12:48:49PM YEAH.
12:48:49PM SO I ORGANIZE THE TAMPA BAY RIGHTS COMMITTEE, AND POLICE
12:48:57PM BRUTALITY.
12:48:58PM THEY DEMONIZE-THAT THEY RECEIVE FROM THE POLICE, TELLING US
12:49:04PM ALL THE DETAILS.
12:49:05PM WE ARE ALSO A VOLUNTEER GROUP LED BY TRULY A LOT OF PEOPLE
12:49:10PM COMING EITHER OUT OF COLLEGE, PEOPLE WHO WORK FULL TIME,
12:49:13PM PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE THE RANGE BUT WITH WHAT WE DO HAVE IS
12:49:18PM THE CRB THAT IS FUNDED BY THE CITY THAT DOES HAVE TO SOME
12:49:22PM ACTUAL INFLUENCE THAT CAN BE DOING SOMETHING, BUT BECAUSE OF
12:49:24PM THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY RUN PEOPLE DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE
12:49:27PM GOING THERE.
12:49:28PM RIGHT NOW THIS VOTE IS TO MAKE IT SO THAT THE PEOPLE CAN
12:49:33PM MAKE IT WHAT IT'S NEEDED TO BE AND SOMETHING THAT CAN
12:49:35PM ACTUALLY HELP THEM.
12:49:36PM THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN DO.
12:49:38PM THERE'S ONLY SO MANY RESOURCES.
12:49:40PM THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN HELP OUT WITH.
12:49:42PM BUT TO REVIEW THESE CASES TO MAKE SURE THAT THE POLICE ARE
12:49:47PM BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO DEMAND THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY
12:49:50PM TRANSPARENCY HAPPENING.
12:49:51PM [BELL SOUNDS]
12:49:52PM IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN PROSECUTE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKE BEING
12:49:55PM PAID TO DO IT SO I THINK PUTTING THIS ON THE BALLOT AND
12:49:58PM MAKING SURE COUNTY BE SHAPED THE WAY THE PEOPLE NEED IT TO
12:50:01PM BE SHAPED IS COMPLETELY NECESSARY AND I HOPE YOU OVERRIDE
12:50:07PM THIS.
12:50:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
12:50:08PM >> COOK, TAMPA BAY COMMUNITY ACTION COMMITTEE.
12:50:13PM THIS IS GETTING RIDICULOUS.
12:50:15PM LUKE I'M SORRY, BUT WE HAVE BEEN HERE ALL DAY, LIKE LYNN
12:50:22PM HURTAK SAID THE ROOM IS ALWAYS PACKED WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT
12:50:25PM THE CRB SO WHY ARE WE DEBATING IT AGAIN?
12:50:28PM WE HAVE BEEN HEAR EVERY TIME SAYING WE WANT THIS AND WE WANT
12:50:31PM A VOTE ON THIS.
12:50:32PM SO WHY ARE WE CONTINUING TO BE LIKE, OH, I DON'T KNOW IF
12:50:35PM IT'S POSSIBLE.
12:50:38PM WHY DID IT VOTE AND PASS?
12:50:41PM WE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO VOTE.
12:50:42PM ARE YOU GOING TO LET DEMOCRACY STAND IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
12:50:45PM OR ARE YOU GOING -- YOU TELL ME.
12:50:48PM THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
12:50:49PM WE HAVE BEEN HERE ALL DAY DEBATING THE SAME THING.
12:50:51PM ARE YOU GOING TO LET US VOTE OR NOT?
12:50:54PM THAT'S THE QUESTION.
12:50:54PM NOT OF THE CRB SAY "YES" OR "NO."
12:50:58PM IT'S WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT.
12:50:59PM WE WANT TO VOTE.
12:51:00PM WE ARE HERE BECAUSE WE ARE SAYING WE WANT TO VOTE.
12:51:03PM SO LET US VOTE.
12:51:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
12:51:06PM >> NOAH MYERS, TAMPA BAY COMMUNITY COMMITTEE.
12:51:16PM I WANT TO CONTEXTUALIZE HOW THE CITY ATTORNEY ACTUALLY GOES.
12:51:19PM THERE WAS A POINT IN TIME WHEN WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT
12:51:22PM SUBPOENA POWER AT THE CRB MEETINGS AND I WATCHED AS THE
12:51:28PM CITY-HIRED ATTORNEY MISLED THE CRB WHAT ABOUT SUBPOENA POWER
12:51:34PM WAS CAPABLE OF, AND THERE HAVE BEEN COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE
12:51:36PM CITY ATTORNEY.
12:51:36PM THE ACLU HAS MENTIONED HOW MANY TIMES HAVE LEANED ON THE CRB
12:51:41PM TO HURRY DECISIONS AND HURRY INVESTIGATIONS.
12:51:45PM IT'S JUST NOT -- IT ISN'T A RATIONAL THING TO DO, TO HAVE
12:51:49PM SOMEBODY WHO HAS A CLEAR CONFLICT OF INTEREST, AS COUNCILMAN
12:51:55PM CARLSON SAID, WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND IT DOESN'T
12:51:57PM MAKE ANY SENSE WHEN WE ARE TRYING TO INVESTIGATE THEM FOR
12:52:00PM THINGS THAT THEY DID.
12:52:02PM IT REALLY IS TO BENEFIT NO ONE, AND WE ARE STILL DOING IT.
12:52:06PM AND AGAIN, WE JUST WANT A VOTE ON IT, LIKE IT'S A VERY
12:52:09PM SIMPLE THING TO DO.
12:52:11PM AND I AM SURE ALL OF YOU KIND OF UNDERSTAND THAT.
12:52:14PM THIS IS A WEIRD CIRCUMSTANCE, AND WE SHOULDN'T BE IN IT.
12:52:17PM [BELL SOUNDS]
12:52:18PM THANK YOU.
12:52:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
12:52:19PM >> RICK FIFER.
12:52:24PM WHEN I WATCHED THESE DISCUSSIONS BACK IN DECEMBER, A COUPLE
12:52:28PM THINGS TO DON'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.
12:52:32PM IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD IT NEEDS TO
12:52:34PM HAVE SOME AUTONOMY BECAUSE I SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT I KNOW
12:52:37PM IN THE BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES, THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF
12:52:41PM MISTRUST AND WE NEED TO REBUILD THAT.
12:52:43PM AND AUTONOMY ALLOWS THAT TO BE REBUILT.
12:52:47PM THAT'S THE WAY TO GO WITH THE INDEPENDENT COUNSEL.
12:52:49PM BUT I WILL ALSO TELL YOU, I TOOK A DIFFERENT TACKET THAN
12:52:52PM WHAT YOU ALL VOTED FOR REGARDING SUBPOENA POWER, BECAUSE YOU
12:52:56PM KNOW WHAT?
12:52:57PM IF SOMEBODY -- AND SOME OF YOU ALL ARE LAWYERS -- IF
12:53:00PM SOMEBODY WANTS TO TALK AND DON'T WANT TO TALK TO THEM, I
12:53:05PM DON'T HAVE TO SHOW UP.
12:53:06PM IF YOU HAND ME A SUBPOENA I HAVE TO SHOW UP.
12:53:08PM AND THAT MAKES THAT MUCH MORE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE COMMUNITY.
12:53:12PM AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS COUNCIL SHOULD BE DOING THEIR BEST TO
12:53:15PM BUILD TRUST IN THE COMMUNITIES THAT FEEL THAT THEY DON'T
12:53:21PM HAVE TRUST WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT NOW, OR THAT ANYBODY
12:53:24PM IS GOING TO FAIRLY AND OBJECTIVELY HEAR THEIR CONCERNS.
12:53:27PM [BELL SOUNDS]
12:53:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
12:53:30PM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
12:53:34PM JAMES MICHAEL SHAW ASKED ME TO READ THIS STATEMENT, PLEASE.
12:53:37PM THEY WERE MISINFORMED BY COUNCIL FOR TAMPA PD, THAT IT WAS A
12:53:42PM FULL-TIME POSITION.
12:53:44PM SEVERAL OF THEM SAID THAT THEY THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE VOTING
12:53:47PM AGAINST THE FULL-TIME POSITION -- A FULL-TIME ATTORNEY.
12:53:50PM THE 6-2 VOTE WAS NOT A VOTE THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT A
12:53:55PM PART-TIME ATTORNEY TO BE INDEPENDENT.
12:53:57PM >> ROBIN LOCKETT.
12:54:08PM TAXPAYER MONEY, TAXPAYER VOTE.
12:54:11PM IT'S FRUSTRATING TO SIT HERE AND SEEING NICKEL AND DIMING OF
12:54:18PM TAXPAYER MONEY.
12:54:19PM TAXPAYER MONEY, TAXPAYER VOTE.
12:54:21PM I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S SO DIFFICULT TO PUT IT ON THE
12:54:25PM BALLOT AND LET PEOPLE VOTE. IF THEY AGREE WITH IT, THEY
12:54:29PM AGREE WITH IT.
12:54:30PM AND EVERYBODY HAS TO DO WORK TO GET THE WORD OUT, RIGHT?
12:54:34PM YOU GUYS HAVE TO DO THE WORK TO GET THE WORD OUT IN REGARDS
12:54:38PM TO WHERE YOU STAND.
12:54:39PM COMMUNITY HAS TO RALLY TOGETHER TO GET THE WORD OUT TO
12:54:43PM CONFIRM WHERE WE STAND.
12:54:44PM SO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT.
12:54:46PM I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
12:54:48PM WE ARE GOING BACK AND FORTH.
12:54:49PM AND LIKE THE YOUNG LADY SAID, WE HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG
12:54:52PM TIME.
12:54:53PM MULLING OVER.
12:54:55PM RETALKING, RETHINKING AND COMING UP WITH OFFERS.
12:54:59PM IT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED BEFORE THIS CAME TO THIS POINT RIGHT
12:55:03PM NOW.
12:55:04PM SO WE CAN'T UNDO STUFF.
12:55:08PM AND ALL THE COMPROMISING THAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED SHOULD
12:55:10PM HAVE HAPPENED BEFOREHAND.
12:55:11PM SO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT AND LET'S VOTE.
12:55:13PM >> JOE ROBINSON.
12:55:17PM POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
12:55:23PM I USED TO BE THE FIRST VICE PRESIDENT OF NAACP.
12:55:27PM I WAS THERE WHEN THE ATTORNEY BRIEFED US.
12:55:30PM LET ME EXPLAIN SOMETHING TO YOU.
12:55:33PM I AM GOING TO HAVE TO TELL THE TRUTH HERE.
12:55:38PM THE ADMINISTRATION MADE A PHONE CALL TO VIRGINIA, AND WE
12:55:44PM WANT COPS TO COME HERE AND INVESTIGATE THIS BIKING WHILE
12:55:49PM BLACK.
12:55:51PM COPS HAS NO ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY.
12:55:53PM THE RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU CAN THROW THEM IN THE GARBAGE CAN.
12:55:55PM THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT NEVER EVER WAS INVOLVED BECAUSE THE
12:56:01PM LETTER THAT THE NAACP WENT WAS HELD UP SO LONG THAT IT CAME
12:56:09PM TO THEIR REPORT AND SAID THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO AND
12:56:12PM HAVE OVER 100 RECOMMENDATIONS.
12:56:13PM BY THE TIME WE HAD A PRESENTATION FOR THE U.S. ATTORNEY,
12:56:16PM THEY WERE ALWAYS COMPLETED. SO LET ME GET THAT STRAIGHT.
12:56:19PM SO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT NEVER REALLY LOOKED AT THIS.
12:56:23PM IT WAS ONLY BY COPS.
12:56:25PM OUT OF VIRGINIA. (BELL SOUNDS)
12:56:26PM LOOK IT UP.
12:56:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:56:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE ARE MISSING A COUNCILMEMBER FOR THIS
12:56:32PM VOTE.
12:56:35PM SO I THINK WE NEED TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE THE COUNCILMEMBER
12:56:39PM HERE.
12:56:40PM OH, THERE WE ARE.
12:56:44PM AND I JUST ALSO WANTED TO SAY THAT THIS WAS A UNANIMOUS VOTE
12:56:50PM ON SECOND READING.
12:57:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
12:57:03PM PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
12:57:05PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION -- NOT A MAJORITY VOTE.
12:57:24PM CARLSON, VIERA, HURTAK AND GUDES VOTING YES.
12:57:30PM MIRANDA, MANISCALCO AND CITRO VOTING NO.
12:57:34PM A 4-3 VOTE.
12:57:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WELL, IF YOU SAY THIS HAS TO BE AN
12:57:39PM ORDINANCE, THEN I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT AN ORDINANCE.
12:57:41PM IF YOU ALL I ARE SAYING THE REASON YOU ARE NOT GOING TO PASS
12:57:44PM IT TODAY, SO I EXPECT YOU TO PASS IT TODAY AS AN ORDINANCE.
12:57:48PM AND I AM GOING TO RESPECT YOU TO PASS IT ON SECOND READING
12:57:50PM OF THIS ORDINANCE.
12:57:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO ONE IS GOING TO TELL ME HOW TO VOTE.
12:57:56PM THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
12:57:58PM THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE TELL ME.
12:57:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, I AM NOT TALKING TO YOU.
12:58:02PM I AM TALKING TO THEM.
12:58:03PM AND I HAVE THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW.
12:58:04PM I'M SORRY.
12:58:05PM SO RIGHT NOW I AM GOING TO PASS AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE
12:58:08PM GOVERNMENT OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA THAT --
12:58:20PM >> THE MOTION AT THIS POINT IN TIME WOULD BE OUT OF ORDER
12:58:22PM WITH WHAT COUNCIL HAD DECIDED IT WAS GOING TO DO.
12:58:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, THEN I WILL DO IT LATER.
12:58:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ORDINANCE 2023-04.
12:58:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE ARE GOING TO THE LAST ONE.
12:58:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: CORRECT ME.
12:58:45PM I'M SORRY.
12:58:46PM ORDINANCE 2023-5.
12:58:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
12:58:51PM READING AND ADOPTION, RELATING TO THE GOVERNMENT OF THE CITY
12:58:53PM OF TAMPA, FLORIDA SUBMITTING TO THE ELECTORS OF THE CITY A
12:58:55PM PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE REVISED CHARTER TO THE CITY OF
12:58:57PM TAMPA OF 1975 AS AMENDED TO AMEND SECTION 10.10 TO CORRECT A
12:59:01PM SCRIVENER'S ERROR AND TO PROVIDE THAT COMMENCING IN 2025 A
12:59:05PM CHARTER REVIEW ADVISORY COMMISSION BE ESTABLISHED EVERY
12:59:09PM EIGHT YEARS INSTEAD OF EVERY TEN YEARS AND LEGAL COUNSEL AND
12:59:12PM A PROFESSIONAL FACILITATOR FOR THE COMMISSION TO BE HIRED
12:59:14PM WITH CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
12:59:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
12:59:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A SECOND.
12:59:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT IS A MOTION TO OVERRIDE THE
12:59:24PM MAYOR'S VETO.
12:59:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED
12:59:29PM BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:59:32PM ANY DISCUSSION?
12:59:33PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:59:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I READ IT SO I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
12:59:36PM WE DID HAVE A CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION ESTABLISHED FOR THE
12:59:39PM FIRST TIME, WHICH SOME OF US VOTED FOR THAT, AND MANY OF US
12:59:44PM WERE ON THAT BOARD, NOT MYSELF, BUT FOUR MEMBERS HERE, AND
12:59:48PM THEY DID A VERY, VERY GOOD JOB.
12:59:49PM I THINK THAT RECONVENING, OR CONVENING A CHARTER REVIEW
12:59:54PM COMMISSION AT A HIGHER FREQUENCY IS HEALTHY BECAUSE YOU HAVE
12:59:58PM A FULL BOARD WITH FULL DISCUSSION TO OVERLOOK CHARTER ISSUES
1:00:03PM AND THIS IS COMING AROUND THE CORNER IN 2025, SO ISSUES,
1:00:07PM WHATEVER THEY MAY BE, CAN BE BROUGHT UP AND VOTED ON AND
1:00:10PM THEN BROUGHT TO COUNCIL FOR A VOTE.
1:00:13PM I AM IN FULL SUPPORT OF THIS.
1:00:15PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: JUST CORRECT ME, THIS IS JUST A
1:00:18PM SCRIVENER'S ERROR?
1:00:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS IS INCREASING THE FREQUENCY FROM
1:00:21PM EVERY TEN YEARS TO EIGHT.
1:00:22PM SO IT WILL BE IN LINE WITH THE NEXT ELECTION, GIVING TIME
1:00:25PM FOR THE COMMISSION TO MEET AND DISCUSS AND HAVE --
1:00:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WITHDRAW MY SECOND.
1:00:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M SORRY.
1:00:36PM I BELIEVE THIS IS A MINOR SCRIVENER'S ERROR THAT'S UNRELATED
1:00:39PM TO THE SUBSTANCE.
1:00:41PM IS THAT CORRECT?
1:00:42PM MR. MASSEY, I SEE YOU NODDING YES.
1:00:46PM BUT IT IS AS CITY COUNCIL HAD TALKED ABOUT, CHANGING IT FROM
1:00:51PM EVERY TEN YEARS TO EVERY EIGHT YEARS, AND CHANGING THE DATE
1:00:56PM THAT IT WOULD START THAT MUCH SOONER AS TO WHAT IS PRESENTLY
1:00:59PM IN THE CHARTER.
1:00:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THERE A SECOND TO COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO?
1:01:07PM WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY
1:01:10PM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
1:01:11PM IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
1:01:16PM CHIEF BENNETT?
1:01:17PM >>JOHN BENNETT: THANK YOU.
1:01:23PM JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
1:01:25PM STICKING WITH THE PROCESS OF INFORMING THE PUBLIC ON THE
1:01:27PM MAYOR'S MEMO.
1:01:30PM THE HIGHLIGHTED AREA TALKS ABOUT SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE
1:01:32PM CONCERN HAS BEEN ABOUT ALL ALONG IS THAT COUNCIL CAN ALREADY
1:01:37PM INVOKE A CRC ANYTIME THEY WANT OVER AND ABOVE OTHER
1:01:41PM PROCESSES THAT HAVE BEEN DESIGNED FOR A TEN-YEAR SPAN.
1:01:44PM SO WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE COULD DO, AND THEN THERE'S THE
1:01:47PM QUESTION OF WHAT OTHER OPTIONS THERE WERE.
1:01:50PM SO THE MAYOR JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL IS
1:01:53PM INFORMED ON THE POSITION, THAT YOU CAN BRING A CRC BACK AND
1:01:59PM HAVE A MORE PROLONGED PROCESS TO MAKE SURE WE GET FULL
1:02:02PM THROATED ENGAGEMENT BEFORE SOMETHING WENT IN THE HIGHLY
1:02:06PM RESPONSIBLE WAY TO THE PUBLIC.
1:02:07PM THANK YOU.
1:02:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THERE ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WISHING TO GIVE
1:02:13PM PUBLIC COMMENT?
1:02:14PM >> GOOD MORNING, GOOD AFTERNOON, WHATEVER IT IS.
1:02:19PM STEPHANIE POYNOR.
1:02:21PM I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHARTER REVIEW
1:02:25PM THIS TIME, AND THAT'S LIKE SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS FROM THE
1:02:27PM PEOPLE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO THESE CHARTER AMENDMENTS.
1:02:30PM SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS WE DON'T LIKE THE WAY YOU DID IT
1:02:33PM THIS TIME, BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANT YOU TO DO IT A DIFFERENT
1:02:36PM WAY.
1:02:38PM I AM JUST SO CONFUSED.
1:02:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
1:02:46PM >> JOE ROBINSON: IS IT THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WILL BE
1:02:54PM RECEIVED INTO THE RECORD SO THE COMPLETE RECORD --
1:02:57PM >> ALL FIVE.
1:03:02PM THANK YOU, MR. ROBINSON.
1:03:04PM ANYONE ELSE IN CHAMBERS WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS?
1:03:08PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
1:03:09PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM LOOKING AT IT, AND IT USED TO BE
1:03:11PM EVERY TEN YEARS.
1:03:12PM I THINK THIS CITY COUNCIL WITHOUT HAVING ANY INPUT FROM
1:03:15PM ANYONE FROM THE COMMUNITY WHO SAT ON THE CHARTER REVIEW
1:03:19PM COMMITTEE DECIDED TO DO IT FOUR YEARS LATER SOME NOW WE ARE
1:03:22PM GIVING EIGHT YEARS INSTEAD OF FOUR.
1:03:24PM THAT'S WHAT IT REALLY IS.
1:03:25PM BUT WE VIOLATED OUR OWN INTENT BY NOT HAVING A COMMITTEE OF
1:03:28PM CITIZENS SELECTED TO GIVE US THE INPUT FROM THEIR COMMUNITY
1:03:31PM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNEW WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
1:03:34PM THAT'S ALL I AM GOING TO SAY.
1:03:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
1:03:38PM I WOULD SAY THIS.
1:03:42PM I'M SORRY, YOU ARE WAITING?
1:03:45PM IS SOMEBODY IN CHAMBERS WANTING TO GIVE MUST BE COMMENT?
1:03:48PM PLEASE.
1:03:48PM THAT'S WHY I KEEP ASKING YOU, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE?
1:03:51PM >> ROBIN LOCKETT: SO AGAIN, I'M FRUSTRATED.
1:03:57PM SO IF THIS IS PUT ON -- WHEN THIS IS PUT ON THE BALLOT,
1:04:00PM WHETHER WE HAVE A MEETING OR NOT, A LOT OF THOSE COMMITTEE
1:04:04PM MEETINGS ARE HAND PICKED BY PEOPLE, NOT THE COMMUNITY.
1:04:09PM SO IF YOU PUT THIS ON THE BALLOT, PEOPLE CAN VOTE ON IT.
1:04:13PM THAT'S A WIDER SPREAD.
1:04:14PM A SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT'S CHOSEN BY SOMEBODY TO SIT ON
1:04:18PM A COMMITTEE, IT DOESN'T SPEAK FOR THE PEOPLE.
1:04:21PM SO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT AND LET EVERYBODY VOTE FOR IT.
1:04:25PM IT'S SIMPLE.
1:04:27PM NOT NICKEL AND DIMING, AND IT'S FRUSTRATING.
1:04:30PM THANK YOU.
1:04:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WAS ON THE CHARTER REVIEW.
1:04:41PM THANK YOU.
1:04:44PM THANK YOU, MS. POYNOR.
1:04:48PM IT TOOK 13 MONTHS FOR THE CHARTER REVIEW.
1:04:54PM NOW WE ARE GOING TO ASK THAT THIS BE PUT DOWN IN TIME SO THE
1:05:00PM CHARTER CAN BE REVIEWED MORE OFTEN.
1:05:06PM AND A TIME WHEN WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ELECTION.
1:05:12PM PLACE YOUR VOTE AND RECORD.
1:05:14PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA VOTING NO.
1:05:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
1:05:29PM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, I APOLOGIZE FOR STEPPING OUT FOR
1:05:33PM A MINUTE.
1:05:33PM I WAS GETTING A DRINK.
1:05:34PM WHILE I WAS OUT THERE, I DISCOVERED THAT THE MAYOR RELEASED
1:05:37PM A PUSH-POLL COPY. I HAVE COPIES OF THE POLL IF ANYBODY
1:05:42PM WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT BUT SHE RELEASED A PUSH POLL DURING
1:05:45PM THIS MEETING, AND WHAT SHE DID IN HER POLL WAS SHE NOT ONLY
1:05:48PM ASKED IF PEOPLE WOULD VOTE FOR ME VERSUS HER, AND I ALREADY
1:05:52PM TOLD HER I WASN'T RUNNING FOR MAYOR AND I ALREADY FILED TO
1:05:55PM RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL, BUT THEN SHE ASKED A WHOLE SERIES OF
1:05:58PM INFLAMMATORY AND UNTRUE QUESTIONS ABOUT ME, DEMEANING MY
1:06:03PM ETHICS, AND THEN SHE ASKED THE QUESTION WHETHER PEOPLE WOULD
1:06:05PM REELECTED ME OR NOT.
1:06:07PM SO SHE JUST PUT OUT A POLL SAYING THAT ONLY 40% OF THE
1:06:11PM PEOPLE WOULD REELECT ME TODAY, THAT'S AFTER ASKING FIVE
1:06:13PM NASTY UNTRUE QUESTIONS.
1:06:16PM I THINK THAT'S PRETTY SUCCESSFUL, AND I THINK IT'S
1:06:18PM DESPICABLE AGAIN.
1:06:20PM I KEEP TALKING ABOUT DIRTY TACTICS OF THIS ADMINISTRATION
1:06:23PM WHILE WE ARE IN THIS MEETING BECAUSE THEY DISAGREE WITH WHAT
1:06:25PM I AM SAYING.
1:06:26PM THEY ARE RELEASING A PUSH POLL TO TRY TO DISTRACT THE
1:06:29PM COMMUNITY'S ATTENTION AWAY FROM IMPORTANT SUBJECTS.
1:06:31PM BY THE WAY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TOILET TO TAP THIS AFTERNOON
1:06:33PM SO PUBLIC PLEASE WATCH.
1:06:34PM WHY CAN'T THEY JUST PLAY NICE?
1:06:38PM THE PUBLIC DOESN'T WANT US FIGHTING ANYMORE.
1:06:40PM THEY DON'T WANT FALSE INFORMATION.
1:06:42PM THEY DON'T WANT DIRTY POLITICS.
1:06:44PM STOP.
1:06:44PM MADAM MAYOR, STOP.
1:06:45PM I ASKED YOU IN YOUR OFFICE ON FRIDAY, STOP.
1:06:50PM TELL YOUR PEOPLE TO STOP.
1:06:51PM NOW IT'S YOUR CAMPAIGN PEOPLE ATTACKING US.
1:06:54PM WHY CAN'T YOU PLAY FAIR AND HAVE HONEST DISCUSSIONS ABOUT
1:06:56PM REAL POLICY?
1:06:57PM JUST YOUR PEOPLE ARE SO WEAK AND SO INSECURE THAT YOU JUST
1:07:01PM HAVE TO PLAY DIRTY.
1:07:02PM YOU KNOW, IF YOUR KID IS ON THE FIELD AND SOMEBODY IS
1:07:07PM PUSHING THEM AND PUNCHING THEM AND KICKING THEM, ARE YOU
1:07:09PM GOING TO DO SOMETHING EVENTUALLY?
1:07:12PM IMAGINE IF THIS IS HAPPENING TO ME AS CITY COUNCIL MEMBER,
1:07:14PM IMAGINE WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE PUBLIC BY THIS
1:07:16PM ADMINISTRATION.
1:07:16PM IT IS DESPICABLE.
1:07:17PM STOP, MADAM MAYOR.
1:07:19PM STOP.
1:07:19PM THE PUBLIC WANTS YOU TO STOP.
1:07:20PM I DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR POLL SAYS.
1:07:22PM STOP.
1:07:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
1:07:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT THAT.
1:07:32PM I ALSO JUST GOT A REQUEST YESTERDAY, SO THEY HAVE STARTED ON
1:07:36PM WHAT THEY HAVE STARTED ON WITH EVERYBODY ELSE.
1:07:38PM I FINALLY GOT MY FIRST PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST FOR ALL, EVERY
1:07:43PM TYPE OF COMMUNICATION, NO DATES, NO DEADLINES, ANONYMOUS.
1:07:46PM SO NOW I AM ALSO UNDER THIS INVESTIGATION.
1:07:50PM AND JUST ASKING, FINDING TEXT MESSAGES, E-MAILS, THINGS I
1:07:55PM HAVE DONE WITH PEOPLE.
1:07:56PM WELL, YOU KNOW, I STAY ABOVE THE BOARD.
1:07:59PM I DO WHAT I AM SUPPOSED TO DO.
1:08:01PM AND PEOPLE SAY, WOW, YOU MUST FEEL BAD.
1:08:03PM AND I SAY, NO, NOT REALLY BECAUSE I AM DOING THE RIGHT
1:08:06PM THING.
1:08:06PM I AM NOT WORRIED ABOUT IT.
1:08:10PM AND IT OFTEN FEELS LIKE A PUSH WHERE WE ALWAYS SAY THAT
1:08:19PM FOLKS PUT THEIR PERSONAL FEARS ON OTHER PEOPLE, AND I FEEL
1:08:24PM LIKE THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
1:08:26PM SO THEY ARE JUST GOING AFTER ALL OF US.
1:08:28PM THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING.
1:08:29PM >>BILL CARLSON: CITY COUNCIL WOULD DO EVERYTHING THEY DO
1:08:32PM AND IN PARTICULAR TOILET TO TAP.
1:08:36PM THIS IS THE BIG THING THEY WANT.
1:08:38PM THEY WANT SO MANY BAD THINGS AND THEY WILL DO ANYTHING TO
1:08:41PM GET THESE HORRIBLE POLICIES PASSED.
1:08:43PM PLEASE, MADAM MAYOR, CALL A HALT TO THESE ATTACKS.
1:08:46PM IT'S POLITICAL SEASON.
1:08:47PM YOU DON'T HAVE AN OPPONENT YET.
1:08:49PM YOU HAVE 24 HOURS.
1:08:50PM CALL A HALT TO THESE ATTACKS.
1:08:51PM THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
1:08:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
1:08:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AGREE IF IT IS ADMINISTRATION OR AN
1:09:00PM INDIVIDUAL. I DON'T KNOW WHO IS DOING IT.
1:09:02PM I DON'T EVEN ANSWER POLLS.
1:09:04PM I DON'T EVEN LOOK AT THEM.
1:09:06PM A GUY WROTE ME A WEEK OR SO AGO, I DIDN'T EVEN OPEN IT UP.
1:09:11PM I DON'T DO THOSE THINGS.
1:09:12PM I DON'T LOOK AT THEM OR THINK ABOUT THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE
1:09:14PM ALL RIDICULOUS
1:09:16PM PUSH POLLS ARE TERRIBLE.
1:09:18PM THEY ONLY CHANGE THE SUBJECT MATTER TO WHATEVER THEY WANT
1:09:21PM THE ANSWER TO BE.
1:09:23PM AND IF IT'S THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, THEY SHOULD BE TOLD TO STOP
1:09:27PM WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
1:09:27PM HOWEVER, ON THE OTHER ISSUE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT PEOPLE ASKING
1:09:31PM FOR PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS, WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF PUBLIC
1:09:34PM RECORDS REQUESTS COME TO THIS CITY.
1:09:37PM AND I CAN TELL YOU THIS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT COUNCILMEMBER
1:09:43PM HURTAK IS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SUBJECT MATTER WAS SO I AM
1:09:46PM NOT GOING TO ADDRESS IT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW.
1:09:48PM BUT WE HAVE BEEN INUNDATED BY THIS PUSH POLL -- PUBLIC
1:09:53PM RECORDS REQUESTS TO THE POINT THAT WE CAN HARDLY KEEP UP
1:09:56PM WITH THEM.
1:09:56PM THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND THOSE THAT ARE DOING THE WORK, THEY
1:10:01PM DESERVE SOME KUDOS BECAUSE THEY ARE WEARING OUT.
1:10:02PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
1:10:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANT TO REPLY TO COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
1:10:07PM THAT'S THE MOST INTERESTING PART.
1:10:09PM THERE'S NOTHING THEY ARE LOOKING FOR.
1:10:10PM THEY ARE LITERARILY LOOKING FOR EVERY SINGLE E-MAIL, AND
1:10:13PM THAT'S THE THING THAT'S JUST GOING TO -- YOU ARE RIGHT, IT'S
1:10:16PM FISHING.
1:10:17PM SO I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.
1:10:19PM BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT DON'T
1:10:22PM NECESSARILY AGREE.
1:10:24PM NOW, WHETHER IT'S THE ADMINISTRATION OR NOT, PEOPLE WHO ARE
1:10:27PM JUST NOT WILLING TO RUBBER STAMP, THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING TO
1:10:30PM US AND IT'S REALLY UNFORTUNATE, AND, YOU KNOW --
1:10:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
1:10:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO THE PUBLIC
1:10:40PM TODAY.
1:10:42PM YOU CAME HERE TO LISTEN AND VOICE YOUR CONCERNS.
1:10:51PM FIRST THING ON THE COUNCIL, MR. MIRANDA SAYS, YOU DON'T GET
1:10:54PM MAD AT SOMEBODY.
1:10:56PM I HAD TO LEARN THAT THE FIRST TIME.
1:10:58PM SO I CAN'T GET MAD HOW ANYBODY VOTED TODAY.
1:11:02PM BECAUSE THEY VOTED WITH THEIR CONSCIENCE.
1:11:04PM THEY VOTED POLITICALLY, HOWEVER THEY VOTE.
1:11:07PM THAT'S NOT MY CONCERN.
1:11:08PM MY CONCERN IS HOW I VOTE, AND HOW MY PEOPLE TELL ME TO VOTE.
1:11:14PM I DON'T GO INTO POLITICS, DON'T WORRY ABOUT ENDORSEMENTS,
1:11:18PM BECAUSE YOU TELL ME ALL THE TIME, I DIDN'T LOSE, I JUST
1:11:26PM DIDN'T GET ENOUGH VOTES. SO YOU DON'T VOTE FOR ME IF YOU
1:11:29PM DON'T LIKE THE JOB I DO.
1:11:30PM YOU DO VOTE FOR ME IF YOU LIKE THE WORK I DO.
1:11:33PM I TOLD MR. BENNETT, AND I DON'T HAVE TO LIKE YOU, BUT I AM
1:11:38PM GOING TO RESPECT YOU.
1:11:40PM I DON'T HAVE TO LIKE ANYBODY, BUT I AM GOING TO RESPECT YOU.
1:11:43PM I AM GOING TO DO THE JOB YOU TELL ME TO DO AND I AM GOING TO
1:11:46PM FIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE.
1:11:47PM AND WHEN THERE'S SOMETHING NOT RIGHT I WILL SAY HEY, AND I
1:11:52PM WILL TELL THE PEOPLE I DON'T THINK THIS IS RIGHT.
1:11:54PM SO I APOLOGIZE TO SOMEONE WHO SAT HERE ALL DAY.
1:11:58PM BEEN HERE A WHILE.
1:11:59PM I WISH THE PROCESS WOULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE FASTER BECAUSE I
1:12:02PM THOUGHT THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN VERY SIMPLE.
1:12:04PM YOU KNOW, YOU VOTE, YOU DIDN'T VOTE, BUT ALL OF THE
1:12:08PM DISCUSSIONS, I JUST THINK IT'S A TRAVESTY FOR THE VOTERS.
1:12:13PM AND THOSE WHO CAME BY HAVE OBLIGATIONS, SO AGAIN I
1:12:18PM APOLOGIZE.
1:12:19PM I CAN'T FAULT ANYBODY ELSE.
1:12:21PM AND GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
1:12:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A TIME CERTAIN 1:30.
1:12:32PM IT'S A HEARING.
1:12:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S TRUE BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE
1:12:35PM CONTINUED SO IT'S REALLY IRRELEVANT
1:12:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: BE BACK AT 2:30.
1:12:56PM [ RECESS ]
2:27:39PM
2:27:41PM [ROLL CALL]
2:33:20PM >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
2:33:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: UPDATES IS A NO, SO WE ARE GOING TO GO WITH
2:33:32PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8, IS THAT CORRECT?
2:33:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WOULD BE CHIEF TRIPP IF SHE IS HERE.
2:33:46PM >>JOHN BENNETT: COUNTING NUMBERS HERE; WE NEED FIVE. MORE
2:33:46PM THAN A QUORUM. JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
2:33:57PM JUST INTRODUCING CHIEF TRIPP TO REDO THE RESIDENCY WAIVER
2:34:04PM FOR A YEAR.
2:34:05PM SO THAT'S THE TOPIC.
2:34:06PM AND THEN ITEM 8, I THINK CHIEF TRIPP WANTED TO BUNDLE THEM
2:34:11PM TOGETHER.
2:34:12PM FOR COUNCILMAN GUDES' SAKE, ASKING FOR A WAIVER FOR CHIEF
2:34:17PM TRIPP'S RESIDENCY FOR ANOTHER YEAR.
2:34:22PM THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE FLOOR.
2:34:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SO WE ARE GOING TO GO TO -- I'M SORRY?
2:34:32PM >>JOHN BENNETT: ITEM 37.
2:34:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ITEM 37 FIRST AND THEN WE WILL TALK ABOUT
2:34:35PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8.
2:34:36PM SO LET'S GO TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 37.
2:34:42PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, THAT'S UNDER YOUR FINANCE COMMITTEE AND
2:34:45PM I BELIEVE THERE'S A RESOLUTION THERE.
2:34:49PM ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT?
2:34:55PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:34:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN I READ THROUGH THIS
2:34:57PM DOCUMENTATION IS THAT THIS ACTUALLY, THIS WAIVER WAS
2:35:02PM SUPPOSED TO END IN JUNE?
2:35:04PM >>JOHN BENNETT: CORRECT.
2:35:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IT IS JANUARY.
2:35:10PM >>JOHN BENNETT: CORRECT.
2:35:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO US?
2:35:14PM >>JOHN BENNETT: I CAN TRY.
2:35:15PM SO THE DEPARTMENT HEAD IN THIS CASE, CHIEF TRIPP, AND THE
2:35:18PM LEGAL DEPARTMENT, WHO WOULD DO THE RESOLUTION, APPARENTLY
2:35:22PM THERE WAS A DISCONNECT ON THAT EXPIRATION.
2:35:25PM THAT'S WHY IT'S BEEN PUT IN A NUNC PRO TUNC WHICH MEANS
2:35:31PM RETROACTIVE TO JUNE.
2:35:32PM SO ANYBODY COULD FIGURE THE CHIEF IS IN THE CITY WITHOUT
2:35:35PM KNOWING, AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT WOULDN'T KNOW TO DO IT
2:35:38PM WITHOUT THAT CONVERSATION.
2:35:38PM SO THE WIRES GOT CROSSED AND SOMEHOW IT DIDN'T GET CAUGHT
2:35:44PM FOR THE JUNE UPDATE.
2:35:45PM SO IT'S KIND OF ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT THERE'S NOT
2:35:48PM NECESSARILY -- I THINK LEGAL MAY HAVE -- I DON'T WANT TO
2:35:53PM SPEAK FOR ANDREA, BUT CROSS CHECK WITH THE DEPARTMENT HEAD
2:35:56PM TO MAKE SURE THEY NEED TO RENEW, AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE CHANGE
2:36:02PM THEIR RESIDENCY AND YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOU STILL NEED IT OR
2:36:05PM NOT.
2:36:05PM SO IT'S A LEARNING PROCESS FOR THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND
2:36:09PM LEGAL TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T MISS IT.
2:36:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO IT'S GOING FROM JUNE TO JUNE?
2:36:16PM >>JOHN BENNETT: YES.
2:36:17PM GO TO JUNE AND COME BACK TO JUNE UNLESS IT'S NOT NEEDED
2:36:20PM ANYMORE IN JUNE.
2:36:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, GREAT.
2:36:23PM THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANT TO DO IS, THIS IS WHAT THE
2:36:26PM SECOND ONE WE HAVE HAD IN A MONTH.
2:36:28PM I THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER --
2:36:33PM ABOUT THE EFFICACY OF THIS.
2:36:35PM I THINK NOW IS NOT THE TIME.
2:36:44PM BUT IT SEEMS THAT THESE KEEP GETTING BROUGHT TO US SO WE
2:36:48PM NEED TO DECIDE AS A COUNCIL, AS A CITY, IF WE WANT TO AVOID
2:36:48PM THE RESIDENCY WAIVER OR ABSOLUTELY COME SOLID WITH A CERTAIN
2:36:55PM NUMBER OF YEARS, BUT I BELIEVE IT WOULD BEHOOVE ALL OF US TO
2:36:59PM HAVE THE CONVERSATION.
2:37:00PM I AM NOT ADVOCATING FOR ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
2:37:03PM I JUST THINK THAT THE PUBLIC KEEPS ASKING ME ABOUT THIS.
2:37:05PM AND SO LET'S ALL MAKE A DECISION TOGETHER IN THE FUTURE.
2:37:08PM >>JOHN BENNETT: JUST SO I AM CLEAR SO I CAN HELP WITH STAFF
2:37:12PM AND LEGAL DEPARTMENT, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING RIGHT NOW YOU
2:37:15PM GET ONE WITH TWO POSSIBLE EXTENSIONS.
2:37:18PM AND SO ARE YOU TELLING ME YOU WANT TO LOOK AT EITHER KEEPING
2:37:23PM THAT OR CHANGING IT?
2:37:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK: POSSIBLY.
2:37:25PM IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THESE KEEP COMING IN FRONT OF US.
2:37:29PM SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT -- WHEN WE PASSED THIS AT THE
2:37:33PM CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, THINGS LOOKED VERY DIFFERENT.
2:37:36PM THIS CITY WAS WILDLY DIFFERENT, FINDING A HOUSE HERE WAS NOT
2:37:40PM WHAT IT IS TODAY.
2:37:43PM >>JOHN BENNETT: SURE.
2:37:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S WHY I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR
2:37:46PM ALL OF US TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT WE EXPECT FROM
2:37:49PM DEPARTMENT HEADS, AND WHAT THAT CAN LOOK LIKE, THINKING
2:37:53PM ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE -- BECAUSE I KNOW WE ARE CONSTANTLY
2:37:57PM BRINGING IN NEW PEOPLE AND HOW THAT LOOKS.
2:37:59PM AND OBVIOUSLY WE JUST HAVE A VERY, VERY PUBLIC ISSUE WITH
2:38:03PM THAT. SO -- WITH THE FORMER POLICE CHIEF.
2:38:07PM SO I JUST THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT FOLKS ASK ME
2:38:11PM ABOUT IT.
2:38:11PM I WANT TO HAVE A SOLID ANSWER, AND, WELL, WE DO THIS, BUT
2:38:15PM THEN WE ALLOW FOR A BUNCH OF WAIVERS IS AGAIN, I THINK,
2:38:21PM MAYBE SOMETHING WE NEED TO REVISIT IN THE CURRENT HOUSING
2:38:24PM CLIMATE AND POPULATION CLIMATE.
2:38:26PM >>JOHN BENNETT: AND IF I CAN OFFER ANY ANALYSIS ON THAT.
2:38:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
2:38:30PM I WILL MAKE A MOTION LATER TO JUST BRING THIS IN FRONT OF US
2:38:33PM TO LOOK AT SOME DATA, AGAIN JUST HAVE A MORE PUBLIC
2:38:38PM CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.
2:38:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:38:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IN TERMS OF RESIDENCY, US AS CANDIDATES
2:38:49PM ARE ELECTED OR WHATEVER, YOU ARE IN A DISTRICT OR YOU ARE IN
2:38:52PM THE CITY, WHATEVER IT IS, YOU HAVE YOUR SIX MONTHS OR 12
2:38:55PM MONTHS AHEAD OF AN ELECTION FOR RESIDENCY IN THE CITY.
2:39:01PM SO THAT'S A VERY BRIEF WINDOW COMPARED TO POSSIBLY A
2:39:05PM THREE-YEAR TOTAL RESIDENCY WAIVER.
2:39:07PM SO THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT WE SHOULD HAVE, BECAUSE IT HAS
2:39:10PM COME UP MULTIPLE TIMES OVER THE YEARS THAT I CAN REMEMBER.
2:39:14PM SO GOOD BRINGING THAT UP.
2:39:16PM THANK YOU.
2:39:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:39:17PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK IN DOING IT, THIS COUNCIL SHOULD
2:39:22PM HAVE A LIST OF WHO THE DEPARTMENT HEAD IS, AND ALSO DEFINE
2:39:27PM WHO IS UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THOSE TIME FRAMES.
2:39:32PM WE HAVE SOME ISSUES.
2:39:33PM I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A RUNNING LIST OR A POLICY FOR SOME
2:39:35PM TYPE OF HR THAT WE KNOW SO THESE DON'T OCCUR.
2:39:40PM WE SHOULD KNOW WHEN IT COMES UP SIX MONTHS PRIOR, HEY, THAT
2:39:44PM TIME IS COMING UP AND SO FORTH.
2:39:45PM I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE AN ACTUAL PROCESS IN PLACE.
2:39:48PM >>JOHN BENNETT: YES, WE AGREE.
2:39:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:39:51PM >>BILL CARLSON: FIRST OF ALL, I THINK CHIEF TRIPP IS GREAT.
2:39:55PM I ENJOY WORKING WITH HER.
2:39:57PM AND I ENJOY WORKING WITH A LOT OF THE SENIOR STAFF.
2:40:00PM I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE IN THE SENIOR LEVEL
2:40:04PM TEAM.
2:40:04PM I WAS ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AND I WAS ONE OF THE
2:40:06PM ONES THAT PUSHED TO KEEP THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT.
2:40:09PM BUT IT'S ONLY FOR THE SENIOR MANAGEMENT.
2:40:12PM I UNDERSTAND THAT OTHER STAFF COME AND GO AND WE, BUT AS I
2:40:17PM GO AROUND AND MEET WITH RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE
2:40:20PM POLICE CHIEF INCIDENT, NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS, HOMEOWNERS,
2:40:27PM EVERYONE, THEY ARE SAYING WHY ARE THESE PEOPLE NOT RESIDENTS
2:40:29PM OF THE CITY?
2:40:30PM AND SO IT'S NOT JUST MY OPINION, AS I HAVE GONE AROUND
2:40:34PM PEOPLE WITHOUT ASKING HAVE BEEN TELLING ME THIS.
2:40:36PM SO MY QUESTION, SORRY IF I MISSED THIS.
2:40:39PM MORRIS, COULD YOU TELL US WHAT I RECALL IS THAT -- BECAUSE
2:40:42PM OF THE PROBLEMS OF THE LAST ADMINISTRATION, A SENIOR LEVEL
2:40:49PM MANAGER, BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ABOUT IT WE PUT IN
2:40:51PM THE CHARTER I THINK ONE YEAR AND ONE YEAR EXTENSION OR
2:40:54PM SOMETHING.
2:40:55PM IT WILL THIS EXTENSION WORK WITHIN --
2:41:00PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: THAT'S ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO MAKE
2:41:02PM CLEAR TO YOU ALL IS THAT THE RESIDENCY ISSUE FOR THE PUBLIC,
2:41:07PM IT'S SPELLED OUT IN THE CHARTER.
2:41:10PM >>BILL CARLSON: IF SHE CAME BACK AND ASKED FOR ANOTHER ONE.
2:41:14PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: SHE CAN ASK FOR ONE MORE.
2:41:16PM IT'S UP TO YOU ALL TO APPROVE THE WAIVER.
2:41:18PM YOU COULD ASK WHY.
2:41:21PM WE COULD COME UP WITH POLICIES ABOUT WHAT'S APPROPRIATE, TO
2:41:23PM REQUEST A WAIVER.
2:41:24PM THE PARTIAL CONCEPT WAS WHEN WE HIRED SENIOR LEVEL PERSONS,
2:41:30PM THEY MAY NOT LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AT THAT TIME, AND
2:41:32PM THEY MAY HAVE KIDS IN SCHOOL, THERE MAY BE REASONS WHY WE
2:41:39PM THEY CANNOT MOVE INTO THE CITY OF TAMPA SO THERE WAS AN
2:41:42PM IDEA, IT'S UP TO COUNCIL TO APPROVE AT LEAST A ONE-YEAR
2:41:46PM WAIVER UPON THEIR INITIAL APPOINTMENT AND THEY CAN ASK FOR
2:41:53PM TWO OR THREE, TWO EXTENSIONS, AND.
2:42:06PM >>BILL CARLSON: THREE TOTAL.
2:42:07PM SO WHATEVER THE TIME IS, THE CHARTER, IT APPLIES TO ME AS
2:42:11PM WELL AS ADMINISTRATION, AND IF IT SAYS FINE, THEN I AM OKAY
2:42:16PM WITH IT.
2:42:17PM THANK YOU.
2:42:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING CHIEF TRIPP.
2:42:22PM YES, I APPRECIATE HER AND HAPPY TO HAVE YOU HERE.
2:42:27PM SO I'M JUST GOING TO --
2:42:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE MOTIONS --
2:42:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, NO PROBLEM.
2:42:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO PUT IN MY INPUT.
2:42:39PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I DO APPRECIATE IT.
2:42:40PM THERE IS CONCERN I HAVE.
2:42:42PM I HAD THIS AT CHARTER REVIEW.
2:42:44PM WE NEED OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS IN CASE
2:42:48PM OF AN EMERGENCY.
2:42:49PM LET'S JUST SAY HURRICANE IAN. WE WANT THEM AT THE EMERGENCY
2:42:52PM COMMAND CENTER.
2:43:06PM SOMEONE WHO LIVES IN BRANDON JUST THREE MILES FROM THERE.
2:43:11PM SOMEONE LIVES IN SOUTH GEORGIA.
2:43:12PM SOUTH GEORGIA.
2:43:14PM ARE WE JUSTIFYING LIVING IN THE CITY LIMITS, OR ARE WE
2:43:20PM JUSTIFYING THE SHORTEST DISTANCE BETWEEN THE HOME AND THE
2:43:23PM EMERGENCY CENTER?
2:43:25PM THAT'S JUST A QUESTION I NEED TO THROW OUT THERE.
2:43:29PM THANK YOU.
2:43:30PM >>JOHN BENNETT: I WILL SAY QUICKLY, FIRST I WANT TO THANK
2:43:33PM COUNCIL FOR WORKING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION ON THE WAIVERS
2:43:35PM TO GET THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST AND SUPPORTING THAT.
2:43:38PM SO AN ELONGATED THANK YOU.
2:43:40PM AS A BENEFICIARY OF THAT ONE WHEN I FIRST CAME BACK TO THE
2:43:43PM CITY, AND HAVING OWNED TWO HOMES IN THIS AREA THROUGHOUT MY
2:43:46PM CAREER.
2:43:46PM BUT THE SECOND THING IS, WE DO POLICY AT CERTAIN LEVELS
2:43:49PM DEPENDING ON YOUR JOB DESCRIPTION ABOUT RESPONSE TIME.
2:43:52PM I WAS ON THE RESPONSE TEAM AND SPECIAL OPERATIONS FOR MANY
2:43:56PM YEARS, AND THE RESPONSE TIME MATTERED.
2:43:59PM SO PART OF YOUR ABILITY TO DO THAT WASN'T AT THE CHARTER
2:44:03PM LEVEL BUT AT THE OPERATIONS LEVEL SO THERE IS SOME OF THAT
2:44:05PM BUILT IN.
2:44:06PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: MS. ZELMAN JUST REMINDED ME THE RESIDENCY
2:44:14PM ISSUE IS SCHEDULED TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL ON THE 16th
2:44:17PM OF FEBRUARY SO IT'S ALREADY ON YOUR MOTION TRACKER FOR THE
2:44:20PM COMING CALENDAR SO THIS WILL COME BACK FOR DISCUSSION VERY
2:44:23PM SOON.
2:44:23PM THE OTHER THING IS THAT ANY WAIVER THAT YOU ALL WOULD GRANT
2:44:27PM OF THIS REQUIRES A SUPER MAJORITY UNDER THE CHARTER, SO
2:44:30PM THAT'S FIVE OF YOU ALL TO VOTE FOR THE WAIVER.
2:44:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I APPRECIATE THAT.
2:44:39PM I AM JUST GOING TO AT THE VERY END OF TONIGHT JUST ADD TO
2:44:42PM THE MOTION FOR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT JUST TO MAKE SURE WE
2:44:45PM HAVE THE DATA IN THAT MOTION SO THAT FOLKS ARE NOT PREPARED
2:44:50PM FOR THE 16th, BUT I HAD FORGOTTEN THAT SO THANK YOU.
2:44:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, THIS IS YOUR COMMITTEE.
2:44:59PM WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE THIS RESOLUTION?
2:45:01PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
2:45:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:45:05PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:45:08PM ALL IN FAVOR?
2:45:10PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:45:11PM CHIEF TRIPP, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8.
2:45:22PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: FIRE CHIEF.
2:45:23PM I DID PRESENT A MEMO IN PRESENTING THIS AGENDA ITEM.
2:45:26PM IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, I JUST WANT TO LET YOU
2:45:29PM KNOW THAT MY PLAN IS TO IMPLEMENT AN ADDITIONAL RESOURCE IN
2:45:34PM THE SOUTH OF GANDY AREA, AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF AN INCIDENT
2:45:39PM THAT TOOK PLACE.
2:45:40PM I HAVE BEEN IN THIS POSITION FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF.
2:45:42PM I HAVE REVIEWED A LOT OF DATA, A LOT OF MOTIONS, BUT THE
2:45:48PM LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS
2:45:52PM OF THE FIRE SERVICE.
2:45:53PM SO UNLESS THE ADMINISTRATION HAS DATA ON THAT INFORMATION AS
2:45:59PM WELL AS EQUIPMENT, I DISCUSSED ABOUT EQUIPMENT, SUPPLY
2:46:02PM CHANGE SHORTAGE, MANUFACTURERS, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS OF WHY
2:46:07PM WE DON'T HAVE CERTAIN ADDITIONAL RESCUE CARS, WHICH I PUT IN
2:46:10PM FOR.
2:46:10PM SO WE ARE WORKING ON THAT.
2:46:20PM WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RESPONSE TIME, WE CAN SAY, HEY, CALL 911,
2:46:24PM IT TAKES TEN MINUTES TO GET THERE.
2:46:26PM A LOT OF THINGS GO INTO PLAY WITH THAT, FROM THE DISPATCHER
2:46:29PM ACTUALLY DISPATCHING OUT TO THE UNITS, THE UNITS GETTING OUT
2:46:32PM OF THE STATION AND THEN FROM THE STATION TO THE SCENE.
2:46:35PM OKAY.
2:46:36PM SO WITH ALL OF THAT, I HAVE REVIEWED A LOT OF THAT DATA AND
2:46:40PM INFORMATION, AND I AM PLACING RESOURCES WHERE THEY ARE
2:46:43PM NEEDED.
2:46:44PM NOW, I KNOW WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS FOR INDIVIDUAL FIRE
2:46:51PM STATIONS.
2:46:52PM I AM NOT GOING TO TEAR ONE DOWN.
2:46:54PM BUT WHEN YOU SAY FIRE STATIONS I AM LOOKING FOR RESOURCES.
2:46:57PM OKAY, I CAN HAVE THE FIRE STATION BUT IT'S NOT AFFECTED BY
2:46:59PM NOT HAVING THE RESOURCES.
2:47:01PM SO WITH THAT BEING SAID BASED ON THE DATA AND BASED ON THE
2:47:04PM INFORMATION FROM THE ANALYSIS OF LAST YEAR, IT SHOWS THAT WE
2:47:09PM NEED TO ADD SOME MORE RESOURCES, AND THAT'S WHAT I AM DOING.
2:47:12PM SO WHEN WE COME TO TALK ABOUT STANDARDS, AND TAMPA FIRE
2:47:15PM RESCUE IS WITHIN STANDARDS, WE ACTUALLY GET OUR
2:47:19PM ACCREDITATION THROUGH CFAI AND WE GET THEIR ACCREDITATION.
2:47:26PM IT'S LIKE NATIONAL STANDARDS.
2:47:27PM SO WE NEED ALL THOSE TO RECEIVE ACCREDITATION.
2:47:31PM THIS IS THROUGH THE CENTER FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, SO WE MEET
2:47:36PM THOSE QUALIFICATIONS, AND BASICALLY OUR STANDARD OF COVERAGE
2:47:39PM STATES WE SHOULD RESPOND TO 90 PERCENT OF OUR CALLS WITHIN
2:47:42PM 8.5 MINUTES AND THAT'S WHAT I AM FOCUSING ON.
2:47:46PM WITH THAT BEING SAID, AS WE TALK ABOUT SOUTH OF GANDY, AS WE
2:47:49PM TALK ABOUT SOUTH OF GANDY, AS WE TALK ABOUT EAST TAMPA, WEST
2:47:50PM TAMPA, NORTH TAMPA, ALL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, I AM LOOKING
2:47:54PM TO ADD ADDITIONAL RESOURCES WITH THAT.
2:47:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:47:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:47:59PM I KNOW THE NEXT ITEM, ITEM NUMBER 9 IS GOING TO BE ABOUT A
2:48:02PM SAFETY IMPACT FEE TO FUND THESE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT WE ARE
2:48:07PM PLAYING WITH FIRE.
2:48:08PM NOT TRYING TO BE FUNNY.
2:48:10PM BUT WHEN WE HAVE SITUATIONS LIKE WHAT HAPPENED SOUTH OF
2:48:14PM GANDY, WHATEVER THE STORY IS OR ISN'T, OUR CITY IS GROWING
2:48:20PM SO QUICKLY, AND WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE HERE.
2:48:23PM WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE COMING HERE SAYING, SO MANY
2:48:26PM APARTMENTS, SO MUCH TRAFFIC, EVACUATION.
2:48:28PM WE DON'T HAVE THE BASIC NECESSITATES TO MEET THE PUBLIC
2:48:31PM SAFETY DEMANDS.
2:48:33PM GOD FORBID THERE'S A SITUATION IN DOWNTOWN THAT -- AND WE
2:48:37PM HAVE A LOT OF HIGH-RISE, A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL WHERE YOU HAVE
2:48:40PM RESCUE VEHICLES GOING TO ONE OF THESE SITUATIONS AND
2:48:43PM SOMEBODY NEEDS HELP DOWN THE STREET, AND RESCUE VEHICLE IS
2:48:49PM TOO FAR AWAY TO GET THERE IN TIME.
2:48:51PM WE CAN'T CONTINUE LIKE THAT.
2:48:53PM WHEN YOU PLAN A CITY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE
2:48:57PM NEEDS, THE ROADS, THE PEDESTRIAN, AMENITIES, TRANSPORTATION.
2:49:00PM BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE POLICE OFFICERS, THE FIREFIGHTERS
2:49:07PM TO MEET THE RATIO.
2:49:08PM YOU CAN'T HAVE A THOUSAND PEOPLE, WHATEVER THE RATIO IS, I
2:49:12PM DON'T KNOW.
2:49:13PM I HAVEN'T DONE THE MATH ON IT.
2:49:15PM BUT WE ARE NOT KEEPING UP WITH THE DEMAND AND TAMPA IS
2:49:18PM GROWING SO MUCH.
2:49:19PM IT'S SPREAD OUT.
2:49:19PM WE WERE JOKING ABOUT NEW TAMPA, TAMPA IS BIG, AND WE HAVE
2:49:30PM SAFETY NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE, CITY CENTER.
2:49:35PM I AM NOT CRITICIZING THAT BUT IF WE COULD FIND THAT MONEY OR
2:49:39PM WASTE TO ENERGY OR THESE OTHER PROJECTS, WE COULD FIND THE
2:49:43PM MONEY TO PUT TOWARDS PUBLIC SAFETY.
2:49:45PM PERHAPS THE PUBLIC SERVICE IMPACT FEE IS ONE THING BECAUSE
2:49:47PM THAT WILL AFFECT -- AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER -- NEW
2:49:50PM CONSTRUCTION AND WHATNOT.
2:49:51PM SO IT'S NOT AFFECTING THE EXISTING PEOPLE.
2:49:53PM I WILL LOOK AT THE DETAILS AND TALK ABOUT IT.
2:49:55PM BUT WITH SO MUCH GROWTH, WE NEED TO STRIKE WHILE THE IRON IS
2:49:59PM HOT, FIRE IS HOT.
2:50:00PM I AM THROWING ALL THESE THINGS OUT THERE IN THIS DISCUSSION.
2:50:03PM BUT WE SHOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SITUATION.
2:50:05PM WE COMPLAIN, OH, THERE'S SO MUCH GROWTH IN TAMPA.
2:50:07PM BUT LET'S PUT THAT TO OUR BENEFIT AND MEET THE BACKLOG THAT
2:50:11PM WE NEED TO CATCH UP ON, AS TAMPA CONTINUES TO GROW.
2:50:14PM WE ARE JUST GOING TO KEEP DIGGING OURSELVES DEEPER INTO THIS
2:50:18PM HOLE AND HAVE INADEQUATE FIRE SAFETY, RESCUE AND -- AND WE
2:50:23PM ARE TALKING ABOUT VEHICLES THAT ARE 30 YEARS OLD.
2:50:27PM IT DOESN'T WORK.
2:50:28PM AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE SITUATIONS, HOPEFULLY NOT,
2:50:31PM SITUATIONS POSSIBLY THAT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO RESPOND IN A
2:50:35PM QUICK ENOUGH MANNER, AND PROVIDE THE SAFETY AND THE SERVICES
2:50:39PM THAT THE PEOPLE DESERVE.
2:50:40PM THANK YOU.
2:50:42PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: CAN I RESPOND?
2:50:44PM I AGREE WITH YOU.
2:50:45PM TAMPA IS GROWING.
2:50:45PM PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS TO GROW WITH IT.
2:50:47PM THAT'S WHAT I AM DOING.
2:50:49PM I AM GROWING AS MUCH AS I CAN WITH THE CITY.
2:50:53PM I AM HIRING INDIVIDUALS.
2:50:54PM I AM GETTING EQUIPMENT.
2:50:56PM WE APPLIED FOR MANY, MANY GRANTS.
2:50:58PM WE HAVE RECEIVED A LOT OF GRANTS TO HELP WITH EQUIPMENT, TO
2:51:01PM HELP OFFSET.
2:51:02PM SO I AGREE WITH YOU 100% AND THAT'S MY PLAN, IS TO PUT
2:51:05PM RESOURCES THERE.
2:51:06PM SO WHEN IT COMES TO RESPONSE TIME AS WELL, OR RESPONDING TO
2:51:10PM CUSTOMER NEEDS NOT THERE, WE HAVE POLICIES IN PLACE TO MOVE
2:51:12PM UNITS AROUND TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS FOR THAT.
2:51:15PM SO I HAVE INTERNAL POLICIES AS WELL.
2:51:19PM WE HAVE MADE RECOMMENDATIONS TO ALL THE CREWS AS FAR AS
2:51:22PM RESPONSE TIME, BEING ABLE, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS.
2:51:25PM EVERYTHING YOU ARE SEE R SAYING, I AGREE WITH YOU.
2:51:27PM THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I AM DOING.
2:51:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND I WILL FINISH UP WITH THIS AND
2:51:30PM THANK YOU.
2:51:31PM BUT WE HAVE OUR FRIENDS WITH THE UNION RIGHT BEHIND YOU.
2:51:35PM WE HAVE THE MAYOR.
2:51:36PM THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTICLES TO BE THIS.
2:51:38PM BUT WE HAVE TO BUILD BRIDGES AND WORK TOGETHER.
2:51:40PM YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE REQUESTS TO BRING IT TO YOU, YOU BRING
2:51:43PM IT TO US.
2:51:44PM WE WORK THE BUDGET.
2:51:45PM WE WORK WITH THE ADMINISTRATION.
2:51:46PM WE WORK WITH THE MAYOR.
2:51:47PM THEY WORK WITH THE MAYOR.
2:51:48PM BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE OPEN DIALOGUE.
2:51:51PM WE CAN'T LOOK AT ANYBODY AS AN ENEMY.
2:51:53PM WE HAVE TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE PUBLIC.
2:51:56PM AND IN PUBLIC SAFETY, YOU KNOW, THEREBY CAN'T BE ROOM FOR
2:52:00PM ARGUING.
2:52:01PM WHATEVER.
2:52:02PM POLITICS IS POLITICS BUT WE HAVE A GOAL.
2:52:05PM AND THE END GOAL IS TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE SERVICES FOR OUR
2:52:08PM COMMUNITY.
2:52:08PM SO I'LL STOP THERE.
2:52:09PM THANK YOU.
2:52:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:52:11PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WANT TO JUST GO AND GET RIGHT INTO IT.
2:52:16PM AND TALK WITH THE UNION REPRESENTATIVE, PRESIDENT, HE HAD
2:52:23PM SOME CONCERNS.
2:52:31PM EVERYONE HAS IDEAS, AND I SAID THAT LAST TIME, AND I DON'T
2:52:34PM THINK WE GOT THAT COFFEE YET, BUT IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WANT
2:52:38PM THE UNION PRESIDENT, BECAUSE YOU TALKED ABOUT THE CHASSIS
2:52:42PM AND THINGS LAST TIME, AND THEY ARE OUT THERE, YOU SAID YOU
2:52:48PM HAVE A COPY, AND TALK ABOUT AT THE STATION'S RESPONSE TIMES,
2:52:53PM AND TALK ABOUT THE OLD APPARATUS, AND SO MANY THINGS YOU
2:53:02PM HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE ADMINISTRATION.
2:53:04PM BUT ON THE RECORD I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IN THE CITY DURING A
2:53:11PM CERTAIN TIME, WHAT HAVE YOU.
2:53:12PM I WANT TO HEAR FROM THEM WHAT HIS CONCERNS ARE,
2:53:17PM SO HE CAN TELL US TODAY WHAT HE'S SAYING AND WHAT HIS
2:53:20PM FIREFIGHTERS ARE SAYING, OR HOW WE CAN PROVIDE OR HOW WE CAN
2:53:24PM PROVIDE.
2:53:24PM SO IF YOU DON'T MIND, MR. PRESIDENT, COME UP, SIR.
2:53:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF WE CAN GET THROUGH THE REST OF THE
2:53:31PM QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL.
2:53:32PM NO OFFENSE TO YOU.
2:53:34PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO.
2:53:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:53:37PM COUNCILMAN VIERA AND THEN GO TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:53:41PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
2:53:43PM A LOT OF GOOD POINTS MADE.
2:53:47PM SORRY.
2:53:48PM AND I THANK COUNCILMAN CARLSON FOR MAKING THIS MOTION FOR
2:53:53PM SOUTH TAMPA.
2:53:54PM YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES I ALWAYS COME BACK TO IS
2:53:57PM HAVING A FRANK DISCUSSION.
2:53:58PM I THINK WE ALL AGREE IN TERMS OF WHERE WE SHOULD BE AT.
2:54:01PM I THINK THE ISSUE IS GOING TO BE IN TERMS OF HOW WE SHOULD
2:54:03PM BE THERE WHICH I ALWAYS SAY WE NEED TO HAVE A FRANK
2:54:05PM DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA WHEN WE IDENTIFY WHAT ALL
2:54:09PM OF OUR SAFETY DEFICITS ARE THROUGH THE PUBLIC SAFETY PLAN.
2:54:14PM WE HAVE TO HAVE A DECENT AMOUNT OF MONEY, RIGHT?
2:54:17PM BUT HAVING A FRANK DISCUSSION WITH THE PUBLIC IN TERMS OF
2:54:19PM HOW WE ARE GOING TO GET FROM POINT A TO B IN TERMS OF MONEY.
2:54:22PM IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP WITH REGARDS TO PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT
2:54:25PM FEES, OTHER PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT MILLAGE RATES.
2:54:27PM WHATEVER IT MAY BE, WE HAVE TO HAVE A FRANK DISCUSSION WITH
2:54:30PM THE PUBLIC IN SAYING, LOOK, THESE ARE THE SERVICES THAT YOU
2:54:33PM WANT WHENEVER IT COMES TO FIRE AND POLICE, AND WE ARE GOING
2:54:37PM TO NEED X AMOUNT OF MONEY AND THESE ARE OUR OPTIONS FOR THAT
2:54:41PM X AMOUNT OF MONEY, AND THAT'S WHY FOR ME THE PUBLIC SAFETY
2:54:44PM MASTER PLAN IS SO IMPORTANT SO WE CAN SEE WHERE ALL OF OUR
2:54:47PM DEFICITS ARE AT, SEE THE MONETARY DEFICITS AND HAVE THAT
2:54:51PM DISCUSSION WITH RESPONSIBLE ELECTED OFFICIAL WAS THE PUBLIC
2:54:54PM IN TERMS OF HOW TO REMEDY THOSE DEFICITS.
2:54:56PM SO AGAIN, A GREAT DISCUSSION, AND I KNOW THAT IN THIS AREA
2:54:59PM SOUTH OF GANDY, PARTICULARLY, LIKE NEW TAMPA, HAS BEEN
2:55:03PM EXPLODING SIGNIFICANTLY, AND THIS IS OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THE
2:55:06PM BIGGEST ISSUES.
2:55:07PM SO GLAD TO SEE IT.
2:55:09PM GLAD TO SEE THAT MEMO AND WHATNOT.
2:55:11PM AND I LOOK FORWARD IN ABOUT MAYBE FIVE OR SO WEEKS FOR THAT
2:55:14PM PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN.
2:55:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:55:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MANY OF YOU KNOW I DO MONTHLY RIDE-ALONG WAS
2:55:24PM BOTH POLICE AND FIRE, AND THE FIRE SYSTEM KEEPS FIGHTING
2:55:29PM OVER ME BECAUSE I HAVE VERY FEW CALLS.
2:55:32PM ANYTIME I GO.
2:55:33PM I WAS AT FIRE STATION 13 AND IN SIX HOURS I GOT TWO CALLS.
2:55:38PM I KNOW, THEY KEEP SAYING GO OTHER PLACES BUT THIS IS USUALLY
2:55:42PM PRETTY SLAMMED.
2:55:42PM BUT THE ONE CALL I DID GET TO GO ON, WE TOOK AN OVERDOSE
2:55:49PM PATIENT TO THE HOSPITAL AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE CREW
2:55:53PM THAT WAS ON THAT DAY TALKED TO ME ABOUT, AND I SAW FIRSTHAND
2:55:56PM WHEN WE GOT THERE, WERE THE 12 UNITS HANGING OUT WAITING.
2:56:02PM AND AGAIN, HAD I NOT DONE THAT, THAT RIDE-ALONG, I DON'T
2:56:05PM THINK I WOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS.
2:56:07PM AND ALL OF THE CREWS THAT DAY, WE HAVE BEEN TOLD WE HAVE TO
2:56:11PM WAIT, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO ACTUALLY BE INPUT INTO THE
2:56:16PM HOSPITAL, AND UNTIL THEN, THEY ARE TECHNICALLY SUPPOSED TO
2:56:20PM STAY WITH THE CREW, BUT IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN, IT'S
2:56:25PM THE HOSPITAL'S RESPONSIBILITY, AND WE HAVEN'T QUITE FIGURED
2:56:29PM THAT OUT.
2:56:29PM WELL, IT'S COMPLETELY ABOVE MY PAY GRADE.
2:56:31PM AND I SAID, WELL, I DON'T THINK IT'S ABOVE MINE BECAUSE IT'S
2:56:35PM MY JOB.
2:56:36PM BUT IT'S WANT TO ASK CHIEF BENNETT, YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING ON
2:56:42PM THAT SOMEWHAT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE, CHIEF TRIPP,
2:56:45PM BUT WHERE WE ARE AND HOW WE ARE WORKING WITH THE HOSPITALS
2:56:48PM TO TRY TO FIX THAT.
2:56:49PM BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC KNOWS THAT OUR RESCUE
2:56:53PM PERSONNEL TO BE IN A HOSPITAL FOR EIGHT HOURS.
2:57:05PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: OF COURSE, THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES AS WELL,
2:57:07PM BUT OF COURSE IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE STAFFING THEY CANNOT
2:57:09PM RECEIVE THE PATIENT.
2:57:10PM SO WITH THAT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS WE HAVE BEEN
2:57:12PM MEETING WITH CERTAIN PARTICULAR HOSPITALS.
2:57:14PM IT'S NOT ALL OF THEM.
2:57:16PM YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE IN PARTICULAR.
2:57:18PM AND RIGHT NOW MY RESCUE CHIEF IS GOING OVER AREAS FOR
2:57:23PM IMPROVEMENT ON THEIR SIDE.
2:57:24PM A LOT OF IT IS ON THEIR SIDE.
2:57:27PM IT'S NOT TAMPA FIRE RESCUE.
2:57:28PM IT'S NOT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE.
2:57:30PM IT'S IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE STAFFING, THEY DON'T HAVE THE
2:57:33PM PLACEMENT AND OVERCROWDING.
2:57:34PM SO IT'S MULTIPLE ITEMS.
2:57:36PM BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, SPEAKING WITH THE OTHER
2:57:40PM FACILITIES, WE HAVE A TIMELINE WHEN OUR UNITS ARE ON
2:57:44PM DISPATCH NOTICE, RESCUE, AND BEEN AT THIS HOSPITAL X AMOUNT
2:57:49PM OF MINUTES.
2:57:50PM MY RESCUE CHIEF IS NOTIFIED.
2:57:51PM HE CONTACTS THE CEO.
2:57:53PM THEY EXCHANGE NUMBERS, WHAT'S GOING ON, SO THE FEEDBACK WILL
2:57:56PM COME BACK TO HIM, AND LET HIM KNOW, WHAT'S THE HOLDUP?
2:58:01PM SO AT LEAST THERE'S COMMUNICATION GOING ON IS WHAT I AM
2:58:03PM SAYING.
2:58:04PM SO HE HAS THE NUMBER, YOU KNOW, TO I GUESS -- RIGHT THERE AT
2:58:10PM THE EMERGENCY ROOM.
2:58:11PM WHEN DISPATCH SAYS OUR UNIT HAS BEEN AT THIS HOSPITAL FOR X
2:58:14PM AMOUNT OF TIME, MY RESCUE CHIEF IS NOTIFIED, HE CONTACTS THE
2:58:18PM HOSPITAL TO FIND OUT WHAT THE PROBLEM, WHAT'S THE DELAY.
2:58:22PM AND IF YOU HAVE A NONEMERGENT PATIENT, THEN -- AND THAT'S
2:58:31PM NATIONWIDE.
2:58:32PM THAT'S NOT JUST US.
2:58:37PM >>JOHN BENNETT: CHIEF OF STAFF.
2:58:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
2:58:43PM I APOLOGIZE.
2:58:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAD BOTH OF THEM.
2:58:46PM >>JOHN BENNETT: SO THE FEEDBACK I WOULD OFFER, THE FOUR
2:58:49PM DATA POINTS THAT I THINK DRIVE THE DECISIONS ARE WHAT WE
2:58:52PM CALL RESPONSE TIME, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING
2:58:55PM ABOUT, WAS CALLED UNIT ALLOCATION, HOW BUSY THE PARTICULAR
2:59:00PM UNIT.
2:59:00PM WHAT IS THE TURNOVER TIME AT THE HOSPITAL?
2:59:03PM AND WHAT IS OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PRIVATE AMBULANCE
2:59:05PM COMPANY?
2:59:06PM BECAUSE ALL FOUR OF THOSE THINGS IN OUR COMMUNITY MAKE THE
2:59:09PM DIFFERENCE.
2:59:10PM AND SO THERE'S A PRIVATE AMBULANCE SERVICE OUT THERE THAT
2:59:13PM HAS A BUSINESS MODEL, AND A LOT OF THAT IS DRIVEN BY A
2:59:17PM DIFFERENT METHODOLOGY THAN THE WAY PUBLIC SAFETY DRIVES
2:59:20PM THERE, THEN YOU HAVE THE HOSPITAL TURNOUT TIME.
2:59:22PM WE MET WITH THE COUNTY FIRE SIDE ROUGHLY RIGHT BEFORE OR
2:59:25PM RIGHT AFTER CHIEF TRIPP CAME ON BUT STARTED TALKING ABOUT
2:59:30PM THIS THING HOLISTICALLY.
2:59:32PM COMING FROM THE PINELLAS SIDE AND PUBLIC SAFETY THERE'S A
2:59:35PM HOSPITAL ON EVERY CORNER, AND THERE IS A UNIT EVERY FIVE
2:59:38PM FEET.
2:59:38PM IT'S A DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHIC AND USE LEVEL OVER THERE.
2:59:42PM OVER HERE, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S AS RICH AS THAT TURNOUT
2:59:45PM TIME OR TURNOVER TIME THAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT, BUT THE
2:59:48PM COUNTY TOLD ME AT THE TIME THAT THEY WERE STUDYING THE
2:59:51PM HOSPITAL RELEASE TIME.
2:59:53PM I WILL JUST MAKE THAT TERM UP.
2:59:54PM WHEN DID THEY GET BACK FROM THE HOSPITAL?
2:59:58PM AND I TALKED TO THE PRIVATE AMBULANCE SIDE ABOUT ENRICHING
3:00:01PM YOUR CAPABILITY.
3:00:02PM AND WHATEVER IT IS, WE JUST NEED TO BE KNOW IT'S CONSISTENT,
3:00:05PM BECAUSE IF THE PRIVATE AMBULANCE SIDE IS INCONSISTENT,
3:00:09PM THAT'S WHAT DRIVES US TO BE MORE CHALLENGED WITH OUR DATA.
3:00:12PM WE NEED A CONSISTENT UNDERSTANDING.
3:00:15PM SO WHEN I HEARD ACTUALLY ABOUT THIS ELONGATED TIME IN THE
3:00:19PM HOSPITAL, AND I AM GRATEFUL AS A TACTICAL COMMUNICATION
3:00:23PM GOING ON BETWEEN THE RESCUE CHIEF AND CEO OR WHOEVER, BUT
3:00:27PM MAYBE WE NEED WRITTEN AGREEMENTS BETWEEN THESE TWO
3:00:30PM FACILITIES TO SAY, LISTEN, I THINK WE BUDGET ABOUT 30
3:00:34PM MINUTES TO GET BACK OUT, IF WE ARE THERE HOURS, THAT'S JUST
3:00:38PM PUTTING A BIG HINDRANCE ON THE WHOLLY SYSTEM.
3:00:41PM SO THERE IS DATA WORK TO GO ON.
3:00:43PM I AM GOING TO REACH OUT.
3:00:44PM I AM SURE I WILL WORK WITH CHIEF TRIPP, CHIEF JONES, AND THE
3:00:53PM DATA SKEW A LOT OF THINGS.
3:00:54PM SO WE LOOK AT 2019 AND THEN 2022 BECAUSE THE YEARS IN THE
3:00:59PM MIDDLE ARE CHALLENGING.
3:01:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AND THANK YOU FOR THAT.
3:01:04PM IT DOES SEEM IT'S A PROBLEM WITH THE HOSPITAL BECAUSE AGAIN
3:01:09PM I HEAR FROM PEOPLE ON THE GROUND AND WHAT I AM HEARING IS
3:01:12PM THAT IT DEPENDS ON THE SHIFT.
3:01:14PM LIKE SOME SHIFT SUPERVISORS, THIS IS MY JOB, I AM TAKING IT
3:01:19PM ALL, AND SOME ARE MORE LIKE, WELL, YOU NOTICE, THIS HAS FOUR
3:01:22PM PATIENTS AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO OVERLOAD THEM.
3:01:25PM SO I THINK THE IDEA OF A WRITTEN DOCUMENT, I WOULD 100%
3:01:31PM SUPPORT THAT.
3:01:32PM DO YOU NEED A MOTION TO HAVE IT COME BACK TO US?
3:01:36PM IS THIS GOING TO BE PART OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY -- HOW DO WE
3:01:41PM AS COUNCIL, AGAIN AS SORT OF THE EARS FOR THE PUBLIC, HOW DO
3:01:49PM WE GET BACK THAT INFORMATION AND HOW YOU ARE GOING TO GO
3:01:52PM ABOUT DOING THAT?
3:01:54PM >>JOHN BENNETT: A GREAT QUESTION AND I THINK I WOULD BE
3:01:58PM STEPPING IN CHIEF TRIPP'S AREA, BUT THE ONUS IS ON ALL OF
3:02:04PM OUR DEVELOPMENTS TO PROVIDE THE BEST LEVEL OF SERVICE WITH
3:02:07PM COUNCIL SUPPORT THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS AND THROUGH
3:02:10PM POLICY.
3:02:10PM SO WE SHOULD BE DRIVING THOSE KIND OF THINGS TO GET OUR
3:02:13PM UNITS BACK OUT ON THE ROAD.
3:02:15PM SO I WOULD LIKE TO HOPE THAT THE MOTION IS JUST TO BRING
3:02:18PM BACK SOME INFORMATION ON THAT AS PART OF MAYBE THE PUBLIC
3:02:21PM SAFETY MOTION THAT ALREADY EXISTS.
3:02:24PM JUST ADD THAT AS ANOTHER LAYER.
3:02:27PM BUT I WOULD RATHER HAVE CHIEF TRIPP EXPLAIN HER THOUGHTS.
3:02:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK: DOES THAT WORK, TO JUST COME BACK AS PART OF
3:02:34PM THE PUBLIC SAFETY --
3:02:38PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: SURE.
3:02:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OF WHAT WE CAN DO.
3:02:42PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: WELL, LIKE CHIEF SAID, THERE'S SO MANY
3:02:44PM DIFFERENT LAYERS, AND INDIVIDUALS GOING THERE, AND WITH THAT
3:02:49PM PERSONALITY, DIFFERENT SHIFTS, THAT'S SOMETHING BEYOND OUR
3:02:54PM CONTROL, YOU KNOW.
3:02:55PM AND IT'S NOT ALL OF THE HOSPITALS, YOU KNOW.
3:02:59PM IT'S KIND OF -- WHEN I SAY ONE IN PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, THAT
3:03:04PM HAS CAUSED OUR UNITS TO STAY THERE, BUT A LOT OF OTHER UNITS
3:03:07PM TO STAY THERE AT CERTAIN TIMES.
3:03:09PM SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THAT'S PART OF THE PARTNERSHIP WE
3:03:13PM HAVE WITH THE HOSPITALS HAS BEEN OUTSTANDING, AND I THINK BY
3:03:16PM US HAVING THIS COMMUNICATION NOW WITH THIS INDIVIDUAL IS
3:03:19PM GOING TO HELP WITH OUR UNITS.
3:03:22PM YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T, LIKE CHIEF SAID, WITH COVID YEARS AND
3:03:25PM RIGHT AFTER COVID, NOW THINGS ARE CHANGING, OPENING UP, SO
3:03:29PM OF COURSE EVERYTHING IS GOING.
3:03:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:03:40PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
3:03:42PM AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING THIS DISCUSSION TODAY.
3:03:45PM HOPEFULLY SOME FOLKS FROM SOUTH OF GANDY AND SOUTH TAMPA ARE
3:03:48PM WATCHING AND WILL POINT TO THAT, AND I KNOW I APPRECIATE YOU
3:03:54PM BEING ON TOP OF IT.
3:03:55PM YOU HAVE ALSO SPOKEN TO SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.
3:03:58PM NATURALLY, BECAUSE OF THE INCIDENT TWO WEEKS AGO, THERE WERE
3:04:02PM A LOT OF VERY CONCERNED PEOPLE, AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO
3:04:12PM TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHAT TO EXPECT IN THE FUTURE.
3:04:14PM I THINK AT THE VERY BASIC LEVEL THE PUBLIC EXPECTS US TO
3:04:18PM PROVIDE PUBLIC SAFETY, AND WE SEE LOTS OF CONCERNS
3:04:22PM EVERYWHERE, HEARING CONCERNS ABOUT CRIME.
3:04:25PM RECENTLY, HEARD CONCERNS ABOUT THE AMBULANCE RESPONSE
3:04:31PM ISSUES.
3:04:33PM AND SO I KNOW YOU ARE WORKING HARD TO TRY TO FIX THIS.
3:04:38PM VIK IS WORKING HARD.
3:04:39PM SO PLEASE KEEP THE DIALOGUE OPEN SO WE CAN WORK TOGETHER AS
3:04:42PM THE BUDGET COMES UP AND WHATEVER ELSE WE WANT.
3:04:44PM AS MY COLLEAGUE COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SAYS, THE C.I.T. MONEY IS
3:04:50PM ENDING SOON TOO SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THAT?
3:04:55PM THE PUBLIC, WHEN THEY ASK ME WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH WHY OUR
3:05:01PM PARKS ARE FALLING APART IN SOUTH TAMPA, WHY OUR ROADS ARE
3:05:04PM FALLING A PART IN SOUTH TAMPA, WHY DON'T WE HAVE ENOUGH
3:05:06PM POLICE AND FIRE COVERAGE, I SAY TO THEM IN ALL THOSE CASES,
3:05:10PM WE HAVE A CITY-WIDE MOBILITY PLAN IN PROCESS.
3:05:13PM WE HAVE OUR PARKS PLAN IN PROCESS.
3:05:15PM WE HAVE A PUBLIC SAFETY PLAN IN PROCESS THAT MY COLLEAGUE
3:05:18PM VIERA PROPOSED.
3:05:19PM THANK YOU.
3:05:21PM THE PROBLEM IS THAT NOW NOT SO MUCH ON THIS ONE BUT ON THE
3:05:25PM OTHERS, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WAITING THREE OR FOUR YEARS.
3:05:27PM WHAT I HAVE SAID TO THEM IS THAT THOSE PLANS, THE STUDIES
3:05:30PM WILL COME BACK WITH OBJECTIVE ANSWERS.
3:05:33PM SO LIKE AS YOU SAID, AND NICK WILL TALK ABOUT IT IN A MINUTE
3:05:37PM WITH HIS STUDY, IF WE ARE LOOKING AT 8 MINUTE RESPONSE TIMES
3:05:41PM THEN THE CHOICE OF WHERE TO PUT A NEW FACILITY OR NEW TRUCK
3:05:46PM OR MORE PEOPLE, IT SHOULDN'T BE BASED ON WHO THE MAYOR LIKES
3:05:51PM BEST OR WHO ARGUES THE BEST OR WHO COMPLAINS THE BEST OR WHO
3:05:55PM SHOWS UP WITH THE MOST RIBBON CUTTINGS OR WHATEVER.
3:05:58PM IT NEEDS TO BE BASED ON WHAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS.
3:06:00PM SO ONCE WE GET THOSE PLANS DONE, HOPEFULLY THEY WILL BE DONE
3:06:03PM QUICKLY, AND THEN WE CAN GO BACK OUT WITH YOU AND EXPLAIN TO
3:06:07PM THE PUBLIC, NICK LIVES NOT THAT FAR FROM ME AND I THINK HE
3:06:12PM SHARES MY CONCERN.
3:06:13PM I'M OLDER THAN HE IS, BUT I SHARE HIS CONCERN ABOUT IF
3:06:16PM SOMETHING HAPPENS TO ONE OF US AND THAT TRUCK IS GONE, WE
3:06:19PM ARE IN TROUBLE.
3:06:19PM SO WE WANT TO TRY TO GET THIS SOLVED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
3:06:22PM THANK YOU.
3:06:23PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: CAN I RESPOND?
3:06:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE.
3:06:27PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: WITH THAT SAID, LIKE I SAID, ONCE I GOT IN
3:06:30PM THIS POSITION JUST SEEING SOME OF THE DEFICIENCIES.
3:06:33PM OF COURSE I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT.
3:06:34PM ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID TO ALSO PROVIDE THAT LEVEL OF
3:06:37PM SERVICE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CITY, WE HAD SIX UNITS THAT
3:06:41PM PROVIDED WHAT WE CALL BASIC LIFE SUPPORT.
3:06:49PM ALL OF OUR TRUCKS NOW ARE ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT MEANING ALS,
3:06:52PM THEY WILL DO THE SAME THING THAT THE RESCUE CARS DO.
3:06:54PM SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, HAVING THAT UPPER LEVEL OF
3:06:58PM TRAINING, AND EXPERIENCE, AND KNOWLEDGE, THEY COULD RESPOND
3:07:01PM TO THOSE CALLS AS WELL, IF THE TRANSPORT UNIT IS NOT THERE.
3:07:05PM SO THESE ARE ALL OTHER ITEMS THAT I AM IMPLEMENTING TO MAKE
3:07:09PM SURE THAT WE INCREASE THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE THROUGHOUT THE
3:07:11PM CITY.
3:07:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I ECHO WHAT I SAID BEFORE, IS PARAMOUNT
3:07:18PM TO THE PUBLIC, THE FIRST OF MANY CITY NEEDS IS A STRONG
3:07:22PM POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENT.
3:07:23PM SECONDARILY IS OF -- YOU HAVE TO HAVE WATER, SEWER, GARBAGE,
3:07:30PM TO KEEP THE CITY RUNNING.
3:07:32PM AND AS LEADER OF THAT UNION, HE'S RIGHT.
3:07:37PM IF YOU WANT TO SEE SOMETHING HAPPEN, GO PICK UP THE GARBAGE
3:07:40PM FOR JUST ONE WEEK.
3:07:42PM IT'S THE SAME THING WITH THE FIRE AND POLICE. IF SOMETHING
3:07:44PM HAPPENS THAT THEY ARE NOT THERE WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME, THE
3:07:46PM CALLS ARE UNBELIEVABLE.
3:07:48PM BUT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S SO MUCH INVOLVED, AND WHEN
3:07:57PM MONDAY IS A HOLIDAY, ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.
3:08:01PM AND THE FIRE AND POLICE DEPARTMENT GIVING EXCELLENT SERVICE,
3:08:05PM AND AS COLLEAGUE SAID, YOU BETTER BE LOOKING AT THE C.I.T.
3:08:10PM TAX.
3:08:11PM THAT'S WHY ON THE AGENDA TODAY THERE'S TEN VEHICLES TO BE
3:08:13PM BOUGHT AT $43,000 PLUS EACH.
3:08:16PM AND THAT'S $430,000.
3:08:18PM A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT.
3:08:19PM BUT 43,000 PLUS.
3:08:21PM AND IT'S PARAMOUNT THAT WE REALIZE THAT AFTER 2026, 27,
3:08:30PM THERE'S NO MORE OF THAT MONEY COMING IN.
3:08:32PM SO WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED.
3:08:33PM I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WE HAVE IN THE BODY SHOPS OR IN THE
3:08:39PM REPLACEMENT OF ENGINES OR SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE.
3:08:42PM I AM NOT TELLING YOU WHAT TO DO OR HOW TO DO IT BUT WE HAVE
3:08:45PM A PLAN PUT IN FOR MONEYS, THERE'S NO MORE COMING IN.
3:08:49PM HOW DO WE SOLVE THAT PROBLEM?
3:08:50PM SO WE HAVE TO BE VIGILANT OF THE FACT THAT IT'S AROUND THE
3:08:54PM HORIZON.
3:08:54PM SEEMS LIKE FOUR YEARS AWAY IS A LONG TIME.
3:08:57PM IT'S A SECOND IN TIME AS FAR AS WHAT THE NEEDS ARE.
3:09:00PM AND THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE NEEDED.
3:09:02PM SO WE WANT TO STEP UP AND DO WHATEVER WE CAN, HELP BOTH FIRE
3:09:06PM AND POLICE AND THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
3:09:09PM AS COUNCILMAN SAID THERE ARE OTHER PRIORITIES WE HAVE TO
3:09:12PM ADDRESS BECAUSE THE PUBLIC IS GROWING SO QUICK THAT THERE
3:09:14PM WASN'T ENOUGH SPACE FOR PEOPLE COMING IN TO DO WHAT THEY HAD
3:09:17PM TO DO.
3:09:17PM BUT THANKS VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU BOTH ARE DOING.
3:09:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: CHIEF TRIPP, I JUST HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND
3:09:23PM I AM TRYING TO WORK OUT MY STRATEGY.
3:09:27PM YOU HAD 27 GRADUATES.
3:09:30PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: 23.
3:09:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: 23 NEW GRADUATES AT THE FIRE MUSEUM.
3:09:35PM IT WAS WONDERFUL TO SEE THEM ALL BE SWORN IN.
3:09:38PM THROUGH ATTRITION, HOW MANY FIREFIGHTERS LEFT THE
3:09:40PM DEPARTMENT?
3:09:44PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: HOW MANY HAS LEFT?
3:09:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DURING THAT TRAINING, 23, HOW MANY HAVE
3:09:50PM LEFT?
3:09:52PM WE HAD 23.
3:09:52PM IF WE HAD 28 LEAVE --
3:09:56PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
3:09:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS IT BUDGET RESTRICTIONS?
3:10:02PM FROM KEEPING MORE FIREFIGHTERS COMING IN TO KEEP UP THE
3:10:05PM DEMANDS, THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT NEEDS?
3:10:07PM IS IT US THAT COULD BE SAYING, HEY, WE NEED MORE STAFFING,
3:10:11PM LIKE I DID AT THE LAST BUDGET MEETING?
3:10:16PM FOR NOT ONLY FIRE BUT POLICE, ENFORCEMENT, INSPECTIONS.
3:10:20PM IS IT BUDGETARY JUST KEEPING THE DEPARTMENT FROM GAINING
3:10:22PM MORE?
3:10:25PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: ADMINISTRATION GAVE ME 57 POSITIONS.
3:10:27PM I AM HIRING.
3:10:28PM WHEN I GOT INTO THE POSITION I WAS ALREADY DOWN SOME
3:10:31PM MEMBERS.
3:10:32PM I HIRED 104.
3:10:33PM I AM IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING SOME MORE.
3:10:35PM WE LOOK AT BRINGING ON ANOTHER 20 TO 25 AROUND MARCH
3:10:39PM 20th.
3:10:40PM SO WE ARE TRYING TO GET MY MEMBERS GET THAT VACANCY RATE
3:10:43PM DOWN.
3:10:44PM NOW I CAN SEE WHAT I NEED TO ASK ADMINISTRATION FOR.
3:10:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: FOR FIRE, WE HIRE FOR THE TRAINING PERIOD?
3:10:53PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: WELL, WE HAVE FIREFIGHTERS THAT COME ON THE
3:10:56PM JOB.
3:10:56PM THEY GO THROUGH A SIX WEEK ORIENTATION PERIOD.
3:10:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HOW MANY OF THESE FIREFIGHTERS LAST MORE
3:11:00PM THAN THREE OR FOUR YEARS?
3:11:03PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: ALL OF THEM.
3:11:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: OKAY.
3:11:05PM DO WE GO OUT AND ACTUALLY DO A HIRING SEARCH?
3:11:09PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: WE GO TO ALL OF THE SCHOOLS WHENEVER THEY
3:11:11PM HAVE GRADUATIONS, SO I HAVE OPERATIONS CHIEF GO TO DIFFERENT
3:11:14PM SCHOOLS AND TALK TO THE CANDIDATES AS WELL.
3:11:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DO WE HAVE A PORTAL FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE
3:11:19PM INTERESTED IN BECOMING A FIREFIGHTER ON OUR WEBSITE?
3:11:23PM IF SOMEONE SAYS, I WANT TO BE A FIREFIGHTER, CAN THEY GO ON
3:11:28PM TAMPA'S WEBSITE AND APPLY FOR A POSITION OR FIND OUT HOW TO
3:11:32PM BECOME A FIREFIGHTER?
3:11:34PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: I WILL HAVE TO CHECK THAT.
3:11:35PM HONEST, I DON'T KNOW.
3:11:37PM BUT I KNOW WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF A SCHOLARSHIP PROCESS.
3:11:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: BECAUSE I AM GOING TO MAKE A CLAIM NEXT
3:11:44PM BUDGET HEARING, WE NEED MORE STAFFING.
3:11:45PM WE OFTEN HEAR COUNCIL MEMBERS TALK ABOUT SINGLE SOURCE, FIRE
3:11:49PM EQUIPMENT.
3:11:49PM IS THAT A SINGLE SOURCE?
3:11:52PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT ITEM IT IS TO KEEP THE
3:11:55PM CONTINUITY AND THE SAME TYPE OF EQUIPMENT, AND THE SPECS ARE
3:12:01PM DIFFERENT, SO IT DEPENDS ON WHATEVER THE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT
3:12:04PM IS.
3:12:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SINGLE SOURCE YOU CAN GO TO THREE OR FOUR
3:12:08PM DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
3:12:09PM IT'S NOT A MATTER OF SUPPLY CHAIN OR JUST ONE MANUFACTURER?
3:12:14PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: NO.
3:12:15PM IF IT'S AN ITEM I NEED I CAN GO ANYWHERE AND GET IT UNLESS
3:12:18PM THERE ARE CERTAIN SPECS, AND THIS IS THE ONLY COMPANY.
3:12:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SO IT'S READILY AVAILABLE.
3:12:25PM JUST AN OBSERVATION.
3:12:26PM I WENT AND SAW MY PATIENTS DOWN IN STATION 14.
3:12:29PM I SAW A LADDER TRUCK IN THERE.
3:12:30PM IF IT WAS A PRIVATELY OWNED VEHICLE, IT WOULD HAVE A BLUE
3:12:35PM ANTIQUE PLATE ON IT.
3:12:38PM 20 YEARS OLD.
3:12:39PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: THAT'S A RESERVE UNIT.
3:12:42PM THAT'S NOT THEIR FRONT LINE.
3:12:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IT'S STILL A VEHICLE THAT'S BEING USED.
3:12:48PM I AM AMAZED AT THAT.
3:12:51PM CHIEF TRIPP, THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.
3:12:54PM CHIEF BENNETT?
3:12:55PM >>JOHN BENNETT: I JUST WENT TO THE WEBSITE. BRING UP THE
3:13:00PM ELMO.
3:13:00PM AND YOU FILL THESE BOOTS RIGHT ONLINE.
3:13:03PM SO APPLY NOW.
3:13:04PM SO IT'S THERE.
3:13:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
3:13:07PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU HAD ASKED ME TO WAIT.
3:13:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WAS JUST ABOUT READY TO ASK.
3:13:15PM I JUST WANTED TO HEAR CHIEF BENNETT.
3:13:19PM >>BILL CARLSON: COULD I SAY ALSO, MR. BENNETT --
3:13:23PM >> MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
3:13:27PM >> IF YOU SHARE THOSE LINKS WE CAN WE CAN POST THEM, TOO.
3:13:31PM THANK YOU.
3:13:33PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: COULD I SAY SOMETHING ABOUT RECRUITING?
3:13:35PM WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM RECRUITING.
3:13:37PM PEOPLE COME.
3:13:37PM I MEAN, WE HAVE APPLICANTS.
3:13:41PM AS SOON AS WE OPEN UP THE PROCESS, THEY ARE APPLYING.
3:13:44PM YOU KNOW.
3:13:45PM I SCREEN THEM.
3:13:46PM LET THE PANEL SCREEN THEM.
3:13:47PM AND THEN WE SEND IT THROUGH THE PROCESS TO GET HIRED.
3:13:51PM SO WHAT I AM SAYING, I'M HIRING.
3:13:54PM AND WHENEVER WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT LEAVE, YOU KNOW, WE
3:13:57PM ARE ACTUALLY PROJECTING JUST LIKE THIS YEAR WE ARE LOOKING
3:14:00PM TO HAVE FIVE OR SIX PEOPLE RETIRE, YOU KNOW.
3:14:04PM SO MY GOAL IS TO HIRE THIS GROUP HERE AND GET ANOTHER GROUP
3:14:07PM IN THE SUMMER.
3:14:10PM BECAUSE ONCE I CAME IN IT WAS ALREADY A DEFICIT OF
3:14:12PM PERSONNEL.
3:14:13PM STAFF GAVE ME ANOTHER 57 POSITIONS TO HELP OFFSET THAT WITH
3:14:16PM THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE.
3:14:18PM AND USUALLY WHEN THEY COME HERE WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH
3:14:21PM RETENTION.
3:14:22PM THEY STAY.
3:14:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND AGAIN I GO BACK TO MY QUESTION.
3:14:25PM IS IT BUDGET?
3:14:27PM DO WE NEED TO PUSH FOR A BIGGER BUDGET SO YOU CAN HAVE MORE
3:14:32PM FIREFIGHTERS?
3:14:38PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: MAYBE I AM MISSING YOU BECAUSE WHEN YOU TALK
3:14:40PM ABOUT BUDGET NOR MORE FIREFIGHTERS, WE HAVE TO GET MORE
3:14:43PM UNITS TO PUT THEM IN.
3:14:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THEN ARE WE TALKING BUDGET AGAIN?
3:14:53PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: I HAVE ORDERED EQUIPMENT.
3:14:57PM IT'S JUST NOT HERE.
3:14:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: TO GET MORE EQUIPMENT YOU NEED THIS
3:15:00PM COUNCIL --
3:15:02PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: I AM DEFINITELY GOING TO ALWAYS INCREASE THE
3:15:04PM BUDGET, YOU KNOW.
3:15:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR.
3:15:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: OKAY.
3:15:19PM COUNCILMAN GUDES WANTED TO BRING YOU UP.
3:15:21PM YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
3:15:22PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: BEFORE YOU GET STARTED I HEARD THE CHIEF,
3:15:26PM I HEARD SOME OF THE POINTS BROUGHT OUT.
3:15:28PM TODAY IS THE DAY YOU AS THE PRESIDENT CAN TELL THIS CHIEF
3:15:31PM AND THIS COUNCIL WHAT YOU NEED AND WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE, AND
3:15:34PM I WISH YOU WOULD LET COUNCIL KNOW, THE REQUESTS THAT YOU
3:15:37PM HAVE BEEN ASKING, THE APPLICATION PROCESS, YOU KNOW, IT
3:15:45PM SHOULD BE OPEN CONSTANTLY, EQUIPMENT, JUST ANYTHING THAT YOU
3:15:50PM FEEL THE CHIEF SHOULD KNOW, NOW IS THE TIME THAT THE CHIEF
3:15:54PM CAN RESPOND, I UNDERSTAND THE CHASSIS, SHE SAID SHE'S
3:16:00PM ORDERED THEM.
3:16:01PM I WANT TO KNOW ALL ABOUT THAT, THE CONCERNS OF THE UNION, SO
3:16:04PM EVERY COUNCILMAN WILL KNOW AND SHE CAN TELL US ALSO WHAT'S
3:16:08PM GOING ON IN REFERENCE TO THE THINGS YOU ARE ASKING FOR.
3:16:11PM YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, SIR.
3:16:12PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
3:16:13PM STEVE STOCCO.
3:16:19PM PRESIDENT TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS 504.
3:16:35PM FIRST OFF, I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE IF ANYTHING OF MY PASSION
3:16:39PM IS TAKEN FOR ANGER SO THERE'S NO ANGER HERE.
3:16:41PM WE ARE ALL FRIENDS, COLLEAGUES AND WORK TOGETHER.
3:16:45PM IN REGARDS TO EGIS STUDY, THAT THE FIREFIGHTERS UNION DID,
3:16:49PM IT WAS ACTUALLY PRECOVID SO THOSE NUMBERS WERE PRECOVID AND
3:16:55PM THERE WERE RECOMMENDATIONS SET FOR THE IN THE GIS AND THOSE
3:16:57PM RECOMMENDATIONS WERE FOR THREE STATIONS IMMEDIATELY, AND AS
3:17:00PM YOU SAW PRIOR IT CALLED FOR THEY ANNOUNCED FOR 15, WE JUST
3:17:04PM CALLED FOR THREE, NEW TAMPA, CHANNELSIDE, I BELIEVE IN THE
3:17:09PM WESTSHORE GANDY AREA.
3:17:11PM SO THAT GIS STUDY THAT WE DID IN 2019 IS PRECOVID.
3:17:15PM SO I WANTED TO TOUCH ON THAT.
3:17:17PM THE OTHER THING, AND THANK YOU, CHIEF BENNETT, IS THE
3:17:20PM EXPERIENCE OF PINELLAS COUNTY.
3:17:22PM I THINK IT'S A GOOD VIEWPOINT OF THE EMS SYSTEMS, AS CHIEF
3:17:26PM BENNETT MENTIONED, THERE IS A HOSPITAL ON EVERY CORNER.
3:17:30PM I KNOW WE MAY NOT HAVE THAT ABILITY TO DO SO, PUT A HOSPITAL
3:17:34PM ON EVERY CORNER, OR DEFINITELY PUT AN AMBULANCE NEARBY OR AT
3:17:37PM EVERY CORNER AS WAS MENTIONED.
3:17:41PM JUST ACTUALLY NOW, AS WE ARE TALKING, AND I'M HERE AS A
3:17:47PM REPRESENTATIVE OF THE FIREFIGHTERS UNION, AND THERE ARE
3:17:51PM RESCUE AMBULANCES WAITING AT THE HOSPITAL FOR OVER THREE
3:17:54PM HOURS, SO I WANTED TO TOUCH ON THAT.
3:17:57PM COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU TALK ABOUT THE NEEDS OF THE
3:18:01PM DEPARTMENT, THE NEEDS OF THE FIREFIGHTERS UNION, IS ASKING
3:18:04PM BEFORE THIS COUNCIL AND CITY STAFF, AND I THINK I AM MORE
3:18:07PM THAN HAPPY TO GO OVER THEM, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF TALKING
3:18:12PM THIS MORNING, THERE'S A LOT OF PLANNING, A LOT OF
3:18:14PM DISCUSSION, HOW MUCH MORE DO WE NEED TO DISCUSS?
3:18:17PM HOW MUCH MORE DO WE NEED TO PLAN?
3:18:20PM HOW MUCH MORE DO WE NEED TO HAVE CONVERSATION OVER THIS?
3:18:22PM JUST LETTING THE PEOPLE VOLT AND HEARING WHAT THE PEOPLE
3:18:25PM HAVE GOT TO SAY.
3:18:26PM ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAN HELP A LOT WITH RESPONSE TIMES IS
3:18:31PM TO AVL, VEHICLE LOCATERS.
3:18:34PM YOU KNOW, WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP ACCURATE DATA FROM THIS
3:18:37PM RESPONSE TIME.
3:18:39PM YET WE HAVE 92,000 CALLS ON ONE CHANNEL.
3:18:42PM SO WHEN WE ARE ON THE RADIO, ALL 92,000 CALLS ARE ON ONE
3:18:47PM CHANNEL.
3:18:47PM SO WHEN WE ARE RESPONDING UNLESS THE RADIO IS AVAILABLE, WE
3:18:51PM ARE NOT GETTING THROUGH.
3:18:53PM SO WE MAY GET THROUGH, SO OUR DATA THAT WE ARE BASING THESE
3:18:58PM RESPONSE TIMES OFF OF MAY NOT BE AS ACCURATE.
3:19:03PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: STOP RIGHT THERE.
3:19:04PM SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT THE FIRE ONLY HAS ONE CHANNEL VERSUS
3:19:08PM POLICE PROBABLY HAS ABOUT EIGHT CHANNELS?
3:19:11PM >> SO ALL OF DISPATCH IS ON ONE CHANNEL.
3:19:14PM 92,000 CALLS.
3:19:15PM IN THE EVENT THAT THE CHANNEL HAS -- IN THE EVENT THAT THE
3:19:17PM ALARM HAS THREE OR MORE UNITS RESPONDING, THEY WILL GO TO A
3:19:22PM SEPARATE CHANNEL.
3:19:23PM SO LIKE A FIRE OR A HAZ-MAT, THEY WILL GO TO THE SPECIAL
3:19:29PM CHANNEL.
3:19:29PM BUT ALL, MEDICAL, ALS, WE ARE AVAILABLE, IN HOUSE,
3:19:36PM RESPONDING, TRANSPORTING, COMMUNICATIONS GO ON AND ON, ON
3:19:40PM ONE CHANNEL.
3:19:44PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT YOU HAVE
3:19:46PM DIFFERENT CHANNELS.
3:19:48PM SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT.
3:19:59PM WORKING ON ONE CHANNEL FOR THE WHOLE CITY FOR DISPATCH.
3:20:02PM I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE MY DISTRICT OR ZONES, AND I WILL
3:20:08PM LET THE CHIEF RESPOND IN A MINUTE.
3:20:09PM >> RIGHT.
3:20:13PM YEAH.
3:20:13PM AND I THINK CHIEF BENNETT AND I TALKED ABOUT IT ONE TIME, WE
3:20:20PM HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION OVER IT.
3:20:22PM YES, WE DO OPERATE OFF ONE CHANNEL.
3:20:25PM AGAIN, THE ONLY TIME THAT WE HAVE A SEPARATE CHANNEL IS IF
3:20:29PM THERE'S THREE ALARMS OR GREATER.
3:20:30PM AND -- THREE UNITS OR GREATER COMMENT THAT BE BECAUSE OF OUR
3:20:34PM DISPATCH CENTER, WHERE WE HAVE ONLY HAVE THREE PEOPLE AT
3:20:37PM MINIMUM? YOU KNOW, I DON'T ADVOCATE FOR THE DISPATCHERS BUT
3:20:41PM I CAN TELL WHAT YOU CHIEF TRIPP SAID IS VERY FACTUAL.
3:20:44PM IT'S THE WHOLE BIG PICTURE.
3:20:46PM IT STARTS WHEN THE CALL COMES IN, THE DISPATCH CENTER, THE
3:20:49PM SOFTWARE, THE TELECOMMUNICATORS THAT RADIO TO THE CHANNEL.
3:20:53PM ONCE THEY GO TO A SEPARATE CHANNEL, ONE DISPATCHER GETS
3:20:57PM TAKEN OUT OF THE EQUATION, AND ATTENDS TO THAT CHANNEL AND
3:21:01PM SOLELY THAT CHANNEL SO YOU ONLY HAVE TWO DISPATCHERS LEFT.
3:21:05PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHEN COMMUNICATION IS DOWN ON THE NORTH
3:21:09PM SIDE OF HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE, THE COMMUNICATIONS SYSTEM, BUT
3:21:19PM AGAIN, I REALIZE IT WAS THAT MANY PEOPLE ON THE FIRE SIDE.
3:21:26PM >> I'M 99% SURE 3 PEOPLE IS THE MINIMUM FOR COMMUNICATIONS.
3:21:32PM I DO BELIEVE THEY MAY HAVE TRIED TO INCREASE STAFFING FOR.
3:21:38PM I SHOULD PAY MORE ATTENTION.
3:21:41PM THEY ARE PART OF OUR FAMILY ALTHOUGH THEY ARE NOT BARGAINING
3:21:43PM MEMBERS AND I SHOULD PAY MORE ATTENTION TO THEM.
3:21:45PM BUT I THINK THE INFORMATION I HAVE IS PRETTY FACTUAL.
3:21:48PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: CONTINUE.
3:21:49PM >> IN REGARDS TO WHAT WAS JUST MADE ABOUT WE HAVE THE
3:21:54PM FIREFIGHTERS, WE HAVE THE FIREFIGHTERS, WE JUST NEED THE
3:21:58PM EQUIPMENT.
3:21:58PM I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE ARE SOME VEHICLES OUT IN THE CITY
3:22:00PM THAT HAVE LIGHTS ON IT, TERM FIRE RESCUE STICKER ON IT, AND
3:22:05PM RESPONSE TO CALLS WE GET, THE HEAVY RESCUE DOWNTOWN, HEAVY
3:22:09PM RESCUE 1, HEAVY RESCUE 21, THE BOATS, WE HAVE ONE VEHICLE
3:22:15PM DOWN AT THE PORT THAT JUST HAS ONE PERSON ON IT.
3:22:17PM THERE ARE VEHICLES THAT DO RESPOND TO CALLS THAT DON'T HAVE
3:22:19PM PEOPLE ON THEM.
3:22:21PM SO IN THE EVENT THAT ONE OF THE UNITS GOES ON A CALL, THE
3:22:25PM OTHER UNIT GETS LEFT BEHIND AT THE STATION.
3:22:28PM HEAVY RESCUE 1 IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE.
3:22:31PM IT IS DOWNTOWN AND IT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE OF AN
3:22:35PM APPARATUS WHEN THE FIREFIGHTERS CALL THE FIREFIGHTERS THAT
3:22:38PM WHEN THEY NEED HELP, THEY GENERALLY CALL HEAVY RESCUE 1 OR
3:22:42PM TRUCK 1.
3:22:43PM BUT IF THE BUSIEST TRUCK DOWNTOWN AND HEAVY RESCUE 1 DOESN'T
3:22:48PM RESPOND, TRUCK 1 HAS TO RUN EMERGENCY BACK TO THE STATION,
3:22:51PM PICK THAT VEHICLE UP, AND THEN TAKE IT OVER.
3:22:53PM SO IF WE DO HAVE THE FIREFIGHTERS, AND WE JUST NEED THE
3:22:57PM EQUIPMENT, THERE ARE EQUIPMENT OUT THERE ARE THAT CAN BE
3:23:00PM STACKED ON THAT GO TO CALLS NOW.
3:23:05PM SO IN REGARDS TO UNITS, THEY ARE FIRE STATIONS THAT WE
3:23:12PM CONTINUE DON'T HAVE AMBULANCES AT, WHETHER IT'S SOUTH OF
3:23:17PM GANDY, 22 UP IN NEW TAMPA.
3:23:19PM THERE ARE UNITS, THERE ARE STATIONS OUT THERE THAT DON'T
3:23:21PM HAVE AMBULANCES.
3:23:23PM AND YES, CHIEF TRIPP TOOK AN INITIATIVE THAT WE HAVE BEEN
3:23:27PM WAITING FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME TO GET ADVANCED EQUIPMENT
3:23:30PM ON THESE LADDER TRUCKS.
3:23:31PM BUT THE LADDER TRUCKS AREN'T TAKING PEOPLE TO THE HOSPITAL.
3:23:35PM WHEN THESE PEOPLE CALL 911, THEY GENERALLY WANT TO BE TAKEN
3:23:38PM TO THE HOSPITAL.
3:23:41PM SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS TO HAVE THAT.
3:23:47PM I DID WRITE SOMETHING DOWN, I DID WANT TO TALK A LITTLE
3:23:50PM ABOUT IT IF YOU GUYS HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, AND
3:23:54PM CONTINUE THE CONVERSATIONS.
3:23:55PM TWO WEEKS AGO WE SPOKE ON SOME OF THE DEFICITS THAT WE ARE
3:23:58PM CURRENTLY FACING.
3:23:59PM I DON'T WANT TO REITERATE ON WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT
3:24:02PM FOR YEARS BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE BEEN DOING JUST
3:24:05PM THAT, TALKING.
3:24:06PM I DO APPLAUD CHIEF TRIPP.
3:24:08PM SHE HAS RELOCATED THOSE TWO UNITS TO THE SULPHUR SPRINGS
3:24:11PM AREA AND THAT WAS A MUCH NEED AND IT WAS THE RELOCATING OF
3:24:14PM THOSE UNITS.
3:24:15PM I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT JUST SOME OF THE EVENTS IN THE LAST TWO
3:24:18PM WEEKS SINCE OUR MEETING.
3:24:20PM ON JANUARY 12th, THE CITY OF TAMPA WAS THRIVING.
3:24:24PM IT'S 5 P.M.
3:24:25PM THE WORKFORCE IS ENTERING OR LEAVING THE CITY, ON ROADS LIKE
3:24:28PM 275 AND I-4.
3:24:30PM TAMPA INTERNATIONAL FLIGHTS ARE INCOMING, OUTGOING.
3:24:32PM WE ARE AT FULL CAPACITY WITH ALL GEARS RUNNING.
3:24:35PM NOW ADD 20,000 PEOPLE TO WATCH THE TAMPA LIGHTNING IN AMALIE
3:24:41PM ARENA, ADD A COUPLE THOUGH I PEOPLE STROLLING INTO THE STRAZ
3:24:44PM CENTER, AT THIS TIME WE ONLY HAD ONE AMBULANCE AVAILABLE.
3:24:50PM THAT WAS LAST THURSDAY AT 5:00 AND THERE WAS ONLY ONE
3:24:52PM AMBULANCE AVAILABLE.
3:24:53PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: A BLS UNIT?
3:25:01PM >> ALL IN ALL THERE WAS ONE UNIT AVAILABLE.
3:25:04PM ONE TRANSPORT UNIT.
3:25:12PM TO MY KNOWLEDGE, AMR AND AMERICA -- AMR AND AMERICA ARE NO
3:25:17PM LONGER RUN INTO THE CITY.
3:25:18PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY HAS -- AND MAYBE CHIEF TRIPP CAN HELP
3:25:23PM ME, AMR AND AMERICARE ARE ONLY BEING USED FOR HILLSBOROUGH
3:25:28PM COUNTY AND TRANSCARE IS OUR BLS PROVIDER.
3:25:31PM THERE WAS AN ARTICLE YESTERDAY THAT OF THE 32 CALLS THAT
3:25:34PM THEY GOT, THEY TURNED DOWN 27 OF THEM, SO 27 OF THE 32 CALLS
3:25:39PM THEY RECEIVED THEY COULDN'T ATTEND TO, WHICH THEN TAMPA FIRE
3:25:42PM RESCUE HAS A DUTY TO ACT, AND WE HAVE TO RESPOND FOR THEM.
3:25:48PM SO WHEN THERE'S NO BLS AVAILABLE WE HAVE TO RESPOND.
3:25:52PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: BLS IS YOUR BASIC LIFE SUPPORT.
3:25:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ALS IS ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT.
3:25:59PM >> ALSO WE HAVE THE NUMBER ONE ZOO IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA,
3:26:03PM 1.2 MILLION, 1.3 MILLION.
3:26:05PM I JUST HEARD IT.
3:26:06PM WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE COMING TO THE ZOO, MORE PEOPLE COMING TO
3:26:09PM BUSCH GARDENS. THAT VIDEO THAT I WATCHED AT THE BEGINNING
3:26:13PM OF THIS MEETING SHOWS SOME PERFORMANCE HIGHLIGHTS AND WE ARE
3:26:16PM STILL WAITING ON, ON OURS.
3:26:18PM ON JANUARY 14th ON A BEAUTIFUL SATURDAY IN TAMPA BAY,
3:26:22PM CURTIS HIXON CELEBRATING THE FESTIVAL, AMALIE ARENA WITH
3:26:28PM 20,000 PEOPLE FROM THE STRAZ CENTER, AND AN ALREADY STRAINED
3:26:33PM EMS SYSTEM.
3:26:34PM ON TOP OF ALL OF THAT, WE DON'T THE ADDITIONAL TRANSPORT
3:26:40PM UNITS THAT WE NEED.
3:26:42PM WE TOOK ONE OF THE RESCUE UNITS, RESCUE 251 OUT OF SULPHUR
3:26:46PM SPRINGS AND WE PLACED IT DOWNTOWN AT PLANT HIGH SCHOOL FOR A
3:26:51PM SPECIAL EVENT.
3:26:51PM WE ALREADY HAVE A TAXED EMS SYSTEM AND WE ARE SUBSIDIZING
3:26:55PM FOR OUR SPECIAL EVENTS, THE CITY OF TAMPA EQUIPMENT AND
3:26:59PM STAFF.
3:27:00PM ON JANUARY 16th, THE BUCS HOSTED AN NFL PLAYOFF GAME
3:27:05PM WHERE THE CITY SPOKE OF THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC.
3:27:10PM RAYMOND JAMES WAS SOLD OUT WITH 60,000 PEOPLE ALONE.
3:27:14PM THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF SPECTATORS IN ALL SURROUNDING
3:27:17PM AREAS OF TAMPA BAY, YET NO INCREASE IN TRANSPORT UNITS.
3:27:20PM WHEN WE INTRODUCE 60,000 PEOPLE IN RAYMOND JAMES, ONE
3:27:24PM AMBULANCE THERE, AND THAT'S FOR THE PLAYERS.
3:27:27PM THAT'S FOR THE NFL.
3:27:28PM THE NFL REQUIRES A TRANSPORT UNIT.
3:27:32PM SO WE HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE IN THE CITY YET THERE IS NO
3:27:35PM INCREASE IN TRANSPORT UNITS.
3:27:36PM AGAIN WE ARE TAXED AND INTRODUCE 100,000 PEOPLE INTO THE
3:27:39PM CITY AT ONE TIME.
3:27:41PM I WANT TO STATE SPECIFICALLY, THE WEST TAMPA AMBULANCE,
3:27:44PM WHICH IS THE AMBULANCE THAT SERVICES RAYMOND JAMES, HAD 19
3:27:49PM CALLS.
3:27:50PM 19 CALLS IN 24 HOURS.
3:27:56PM AMBULANCE RUN.
3:27:57PM WE ARE IN A STATE OF CRISIS.
3:27:58PM TAMPA FIRE RESCUE, THE CITY, AND FROM THE FIREFIGHTERS POINT
3:28:01PM OF VIEW, AND BEING A RESIDENT AND LIVING HERE, WE ARE IN A
3:28:05PM STATE OF CRISIS.
3:28:06PM IF IT'S RECRUITMENT, THE CHIEF JUST SPOKE, WE ARE APPLYING
3:28:11PM NOW, AND THANKFUL TO THE STAFF THAT HAS ADDED THE INCREASE
3:28:14PM IN BUDGET.
3:28:15PM HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THOSE BOOTS FULL AND HOPEFULLY WE ARE
3:28:19PM NEARLY FULL AS IT IS.
3:28:20PM IF IT'S EQUIPMENT OR VEHICLES, AND WE DON'T SINGLE SOURCE,
3:28:24PM IF WE CAN'T GO WITH A TOYOTA WE NEED TO GO WITH A DODGE OR
3:28:28PM FORD OR KEO, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
3:28:34PM THERE IS AN EXTENDED LONG WAIT TIME.
3:28:36PM AND WE ARE PUTTING LIVES ON THE BACK BURNER?
3:28:43PM TO COUNCILMAN CITRO'S COMMENT, THANK YOU FOR STOPPING BY THE
3:28:46PM FIRE STATION YESTERDAY.
3:28:47PM AND I BELIEVE IT'S A 1992.
3:28:49PM AND WE ARE WORKING WITH TRUCKS THAT ARE AS OLD AS I AM.
3:28:55PM THE BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN OF LOCAL 754 ARE WORKING AND WORKING
3:29:02PM THEIR TAILS OFF.
3:29:02PM THIS ISN'T ABOUT THE UNION.
3:29:04PM THIS ISN'T ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATION, COUNCIL OR CITY.
3:29:06PM THIS IS ABOUT THE CITIZENS.
3:29:07PM THIS IS ABOUT THE RESIDENTS THAT WE SERVE.
3:29:14PM ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF THAT MUSEUM WE ALL RAISE OUR RIGHT
3:29:19PM HAND, TO SAVE LIVES AND PROTECT THE CITIZENS WHICH WE ARE
3:29:22PM SERVING.
3:29:22PM WE HAVE GOT TO PUT POLITICS ASIDE.
3:29:25PM WE HAVE GOT TO PUT PARTIES ASIDE.
3:29:26PM WE HAVE TO PUT ALL THAT ASIDE.
3:29:29PM I SPELLED OUT SOME OF THE NEED.
3:29:31PM WHEN IS ENOUGH ENOUGH?
3:29:34PM IT'S A TAPE RECORDER.
3:29:35PM WE HEAR THE SAME THING.
3:29:37PM THE FIREFIGHTERS SAY TELL US SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW.
3:29:40PM THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT AS A LOCAL, AND THAT'S WHEREBY WE ARE
3:29:43PM AT AS A CITY AND BEING A CITY RESIDENT.
3:29:48PM NOT TO MENTION, WE ARE EAGERLY ANTICIPATING WORKING WITH THE
3:29:52PM ADMINISTRATION AND HEARING THE LONG AWAITED SAFETY PLAN ON
3:29:56PM FEBRUARY 23rd.
3:29:57PM WE HAVE GOT TO PUT EVERYTHING ASIDE.
3:29:59PM SO I AM AVAILABLE TO ANY MORE COMMENTS, QUESTIONS.
3:30:02PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WANTED YOU TO GET IT ALL OUT SO THE
3:30:08PM CHIEF CAN HEAR.
3:30:11PM SOMETIMES THERE'S A POLICY THAT SHE CAN'T DO.
3:30:13PM BUT I THINK SHE'S DONE A GREAT JOB IN GETTING THINGS MOVING
3:30:17PM IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
3:30:17PM I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE WAIT TIMES.
3:30:21PM I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS -- AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE
3:30:30PM CHASSIS, AND IF THE CHASSIS CAN FIT.
3:30:35PM SO AGAIN, LOOKING AT POLICIES, TO SEE HOW WE HAVE STAFF
3:30:43PM COMING IN THAT ARE NON-LIFE THREATENING, SO I WOULD LIKE THE
3:30:52PM CHIEF TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE THINGS OF YOUR CONCERNS, AND
3:30:56PM THAT MAY BE IN THE MASTER PLAN BEFORE COMING, THAT WOULD BE
3:30:59PM AWARE.
3:31:00PM AND I ALWAYS SAY, YOU CAN ALWAYS DO WHAT I CALL GET THE LEG
3:31:06PM WORK, WHEN DOES THE IMPLEMENTATION START?
3:31:10PM SO MAYBE SHE CAN TELL US ABOUT THE MASTER PLAN AND SOME OF
3:31:12PM THE THINGS, AND WE'LL START WITH SOME OF THE IMPLEMENTATION
3:31:15PM THINGS.
3:31:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
3:31:20PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST WANT TO GET FOR CLARITY.
3:31:22PM I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU SAID, AND EVERYTHING THE CHIEF
3:31:24PM HAS SAID, CHIEF TRIPP.
3:31:27PM DOES ANYONE KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE A NEW RECRUITING GROUP COMING
3:31:30PM IN, HOW MANY OTHERS DO WE GET FROM OTHERS SURROUNDING FIRE
3:31:34PM DEPARTMENTS AND APPLY HERE?
3:31:36PM IS THAT A VIABLE NUMBER AT ALL OR JUST ONE OR TWO?
3:31:40PM >> I'M SURE THE CHIEF MAY HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT.
3:31:46PM WE HAVE GOT PEOPLE, YES.
3:31:49PM THEY ARE SWORN IN.
3:31:50PM WE HAVE GOT THE PEOPLE.
3:31:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE NEED THE LOGISTICS TO GO WITH THE
3:31:55PM PEOPLE, THE EQUIPMENT AND THE STATION AND SO FORTH.
3:31:58PM >> THE IMPLEMENTATION.
3:31:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: RIGHT.
3:32:03PM >> WE BRIEFLY SPOKE ON GETTING WITH THE LOCAL CEOs OF THE
3:32:10PM HOSPITALS.
3:32:10PM YOU CAN LOOK AT LAKELAND REGIONALS AND YOU CAN LOOK AT
3:32:16PM PINELLAS COUNTY.
3:32:17PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE CHIEF CAN TAKE THAT BACK AND ANSWER
3:32:23PM THESE QUESTIONS.
3:32:24PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I KNOW TAMPA GENERAL IS BUILDING A --
3:32:29PM FINISHING UP THE CENTER THAT THEY HAVE HERE ON KENNEDY
3:32:31PM BOULEVARD, AT ROME, I BELIEVE, OR CLOSE TO IT, AND MAKING
3:32:38PM THAT THE EMERGENCY AREA, I BELIEVE, FOR YOUR FIRE
3:32:42PM DEPARTMENT, ALSO. I'M NOT SURE.
3:32:44PM WHEN YOU GO TO THE MAIN HOSPITAL, TAMPA GENERAL, BECAUSE A
3:32:48PM LOT OF PEOPLE, YOU HAVE A BACKUP AND IT'S TOO LONG WHEN YOU
3:32:53PM CAN BE DOING OTHER THINGS.
3:32:54PM >> AND THE CITY SAYS YOU SHOULDN'T BE SUBSIDIZING FOR THE
3:32:58PM HOSPITALS.
3:32:58PM OUR TAXPAYERS, OUR RESIDENTS, SHOULDN'T BE PAYING BECAUSE
3:33:01PM THE HOSPITAL HASN'T BUILT THE INFRASTRUCTURE OR THE STAFF.
3:33:03PM IT'S OUR TAXPAYERS, OUR FIREFIGHTERS LIVES THAT ARE BEING
3:33:08PM STRAINED BECAUSE OF THEIR FAULTS.
3:33:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I SAID IT, BUT THE WAY YOU SAID IT IS
3:33:14PM THE CORRECT WAY.
3:33:15PM THANK YOU.
3:33:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO?
3:33:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU READ MY MIND. I DIDN'T RAISE MY
3:33:21PM HAND.
3:33:22PM BUT IF YOU LOOK AT ITEM NUMBER 4, IT SAYS 104 INTERSECTOR
3:33:28PM POLICE VEHICLES, $4.3 MILLION AND 100 POLICE VEHICLES.
3:33:32PM WHY ARE WE NOT APPLYING TO ALS AND VEHICLES ARE MUCH MORE
3:33:37PM EXPENSIVE.
3:33:38PM LADDER TRUCKS ARE A FORTUNE.
3:33:39PM I HAVE GONE THROUGH ALL OF THAT.
3:33:41PM BUT WE ARE ACCOMMODATING POLICE FOR WHAT THEY NEED.
3:33:43PM WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND WE NEED TO FOCUS ON
3:33:46PM GETTING NEW EQUIPMENT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
3:33:48PM ONE AMBULANCE DEDICATED TO THE NFL WITH 60,000 PEOPLE.
3:33:53PM I LIVE AROUND THE CORNER.
3:33:55PM AND THERE IS A HOSPITAL THERE.
3:33:57PM BUT GOD FORBID IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE SOMEBODY NEEDS
3:34:01PM AN AMBULANCE TO BE TRANSPORTED, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ON
3:34:05PM MONDAY, ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE?
3:34:07PM >> CALL AN UBER.
3:34:08PM I AGREE WITH YOU, COUNCILMAN.
3:34:10PM I'M JUST SAYING.
3:34:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU KNOW, WE ARE BUDGETING.
3:34:14PM AND WE CAN LOOK AT THE BUDGET NOW.
3:34:16PM WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT IT FOR THIS UPCOMING YEAR.
3:34:19PM BUT IF WE ARE ACCOMMODATING THE POLICE, WE ACCOMMODATE FIRE.
3:34:22PM AND THERE'S A LOT OF NECESSITATES HERE AND THIS IS SOMETHING
3:34:25PM WE NEED TO LOOK AT, THE ADMINISTRATION NEEDS TO LOOK AT, OUR
3:34:28PM CFO, AND MEET THESE NEEDS.
3:34:30PM WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A MAJOR CATASTROPHE HERE AND MORE AND
3:34:34PM MORE DEATHS.
3:34:36PM WE ARE PLAYING GAMES HERE.
3:34:38PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:34:38PM JUST VERY BRIEFLY BECAUSE I KNOW WE STILL HAVE SECOND
3:34:41PM READINGS, ET CETERA.
3:34:42PM I JUST WANTED -- I SAID IT LAST TIME, I WILL SAY IT AGAIN.
3:34:46PM THE WORD I THINK ABOUT WHEN I SEE YOU SPEAK ABOUT PUBLICLY
3:34:50PM IS URGENCY.
3:34:50PM YOU BRING THAT SENSE OF URGENCY TO THESE ISSUES, BUT IT'S
3:34:53PM OBVIOUS THAT YOU ARE AS PASSIONATE AND SINCERE AT HELL ABOUT
3:34:58PM IT AND YOU BRING A REAL SENSE OF URGENCY.
3:35:00PM I JUST WANT TO SALUTE YOU FOR THAT.
3:35:02PM VERY BRIEFLY AGAIN BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER ISSUES.
3:35:04PM THANK YOU.
3:35:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A FEW YEARS AGO, JOE GRECO BROUGHT TO MY
3:35:11PM ATTENTION THAT NOT EVERY FIREFIGHTER, NOT EVERY DRIVER,
3:35:16PM KNOWS EVERY ADDRESS IN THIS CITY.
3:35:18PM AND THEY HAVE TO USE THEIR OWN iPads OR THEIR OWN CELL
3:35:23PM PHONES FOR GPS.
3:35:25PM ARE WE STILL HAVING AN ISSUE WITH THAT?
3:35:28PM >> THERE WAS SOME TESTING AT RAYMOND JAMES ON MONDAY ON
3:35:31PM GETTING THOSE MEDICS WITH SOME LOCATERS.
3:35:33PM TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO.
3:35:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGAIN, THE FIREFIGHTERS HAVE TO USE THEIR
3:35:41PM OWN EQUIPMENT.
3:35:45PM >> OR AN OUTDATED MAP BOOK.
3:35:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST RODE WITH POLICE AND THEY HAVE JUST
3:35:54PM GOTTEN SOME NEW TABLETS FOR THAT VERY THING.
3:36:00PM WE'LL HAVE TO ASK CHIEF BENNETT IF HE KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT
3:36:03PM THAT, TO POSSIBLY SEE IF WE COULD FUND GETTING A RESCUE CARS
3:36:08PM AND OUR FIRE TRUCKS WITH THE SAME TABLET SYSTEM THAT THE
3:36:12PM POLICE JUST GOT.
3:36:14PM >> WE HAD TABLETS.
3:36:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PROPER EQUIPMENT FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS
3:36:23PM SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO USE THEIR OWN.
3:36:25PM >> WE HAD TABLETS.
3:36:26PM THERE WERE TABLETS PLACED ON EVERY VEHICLE.
3:36:28PM THE IMPLEMENTATION PORTION, IT FELL BY THE WAYSIDE.
3:36:31PM IT WAS A BAD PROGRAM.
3:36:33PM IT WAS THE MOBILE TEC PROGRAM THAT WAS EXPECTED TO BE DONE
3:36:37PM IN APRIL OF 2021.
3:36:39PM THAT WAS REPORTS HERE, APRIL 2021, THE LATEST OCTOBER 2021
3:36:46PM THAT THAT PROGRAM WOULD BE COMPLETED AFTER IT PASSED
3:36:48PM ADMINISTRATIVE PHASE.
3:36:49PM SO WE HAVE DONE THE TABLETS.
3:36:51PM WE HAVE HAD THEM UP IN THE TRUCK BY THE WINDSHIELD.
3:36:55PM WE ARE PASSED ALL THAT.
3:36:57PM WE NEED TO START PUTTING SOME IN THESE UNITS.
3:37:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: CHIEF TRIPP.
3:37:04PM THANK YOU.
3:37:05PM COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
3:37:07PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU HEARD FROM THE UNION.
3:37:10PM WE HAD A MEETING A COUPLE MONTHS AGO ABOUT COMMUNICATION AND
3:37:14PM THINGS LIKE THAT.
3:37:14PM SO YOU HEARD NICK.
3:37:17PM IT'S YOUR TIME TO GO AHEAD AND SEE WHERE WE ARE AT AND TELL
3:37:20PM US WHAT'S GOING ON.
3:37:23PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: JUST TO REITERATE ON SOME OF THE ITEMS I
3:37:26PM TALKED ABOUT ALREADY ALONG WITH PRESIDENT STOCCO HERE, AND
3:37:31PM TO PUT THE POLITICS ASIDE AND LET'S DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE
3:37:34PM DEPARTMENT, FOR THE COMMUNITY AND STUFF.
3:37:37PM AND TO HAVE INDIVIDUALS CALL YOU ALL WITHOUT COMING TO ME,
3:37:42PM AND US TALKING ABOUT WE ARE DOING.
3:37:45PM I WANT EVERYTHING FOR FIRE, FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
3:37:49PM I'M LOOKING FOR MORE STATIONS, LOOKING AT LAND, LOOKING FOR
3:37:51PM EQUIPMENT AND ALL OF THIS, OKAY.
3:37:53PM WITH THAT BEING SAID.
3:37:54PM SO IF WE TALK ABOUT THE AVL SYSTEM, THE COMPUTER SYSTEM THAT
3:37:58PM WAS BEFORE MY TIME, OKAY.
3:37:59PM WHEN I GOT IN HERE THAT WAS ALREADY STARTED.
3:38:01PM SO WHEN I REALIZE IT WASN'T GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL TO THE
3:38:05PM MEN AND WOMEN OF ARE THE NEAR I STOPPED IT IMMEDIATELY
3:38:08PM BECAUSE IT WASN'T GOING TO WORK.
3:38:09PM ONCE WE STOPPED THAT, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF IMPLEMENTING
3:38:11PM A NEW ONE TO GET A NEW SYSTEM.
3:38:13PM WE HAVE CHANGED SOME OF THE TACTICS BEHIND IT AS FAR AS HOW
3:38:18PM THAT COMPANY ABROAD AND WE ARE GETTING GOOD VENDORS COMING
3:38:25PM IN TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHAT TAMPA FIRE NEEDS, WHAT'S
3:38:28PM GOING TO BENEFIT THE CITY OF TAMPA.
3:38:29PM SO THAT IS IN THE WORKS.
3:38:31PM WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ONE ALS UNIT IN SERVICE, OKAY, I
3:38:34PM DID THE SAME PAGE THAT HE GETS.
3:38:37PM THE QUESTION IS WHY DO WE HAVE THREE UNITS OUT OF NERVOUS SO
3:38:40PM ONCE I GOT THAT PAGE I CALLED TO FIND OUT.
3:38:42PM ALL OF A SUDDEN WE GOT FIVE UNITS IN SERVICE BECAUSE THEY
3:38:45PM WERE SWITCHING OUT.
3:38:46PM SO OF COURSE IT'S A LOT OF INTERNAL STUFF GOING ON.
3:38:48PM SO WHEN YOU SEE OR WHEN THERE IS A CONCERN, I DON'T WANT TO
3:38:51PM SAY A PROBLEM, WHEN THERE'S A CONCERN, LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT
3:38:55PM HAPPENED BEFORE WE START PUTTING BLAME SOMEWHERE.
3:38:57PM THAT'S ONE.
3:38:58PM WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AS FAR AS WHAT THEY REQUEST, WE HAVE OVER
3:39:05PM 40 MEDICS, TAMPA HAS CLOSE TO 30, 40, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
3:39:09PM HAS LIKE ANOTHER 20.
3:39:10PM SO THEY ARE TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE IN CASE SOMETHING WAS TO
3:39:13PM HAPPEN, OKAY?
3:39:16PM THAT IS WHAT WE DO WHEN IT COMES TO SPECIAL EVENTS.
3:39:20PM I WORK IN DIFFERENT SPECIAL EVENTS.
3:39:21PM DO WE NEED ADDITIONAL UNITS?
3:39:24PM I HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU THAT FOR THE LONGEST.
3:39:26PM WHETHER THE BUDGET NEEDS TO BE INCREASED, EVERY YEAR, I
3:39:29PM CAN'T SAY -- THE CFO IS NOTE HERE TO SAY HOW MUCH MONEY HAS
3:39:34PM BEEN GIVEN TO FIRE IN THIS LAST BUDGET AND THE ONE BEFORE.
3:39:38PM I HAVE ORDERED 15 NEW RESCUE CARS.
3:39:40PM I RECEIVED TWO.
3:39:42PM TWO OF THEM ON BACK ORDER.
3:39:43PM WHEN WE TALK ABOUT GETTING A TOYOTA VERSUS A LAMBORGHINI,
3:39:47PM YOU ARE RIGHT, I AM DOWNSIZING BECAUSE I CAN GET MORE BANG
3:39:52PM FOR MY BUCKS.
3:39:53PM BUT WHICH IT COMES TO PUTTING THESE FOLKS OUT ON THE STREET
3:39:55PM AND PUTTING PEOPLE, I WANT THE BEST BARGAIN FOR THE
3:39:59PM COMMUNITY.
3:40:00PM WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PUTTING CHASSIS, SINGLE SOURCES FOR A
3:40:03PM PARTICULAR UNIT, I DON'T CARE WHERE YOU GO, THOSE FREIGHT
3:40:06PM LINE CHASSIS THAT WE ARE LOOKING, I DON'T CARE WHAT
3:40:09PM MANUFACTURER YOU GO TO, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET THEM.
3:40:11PM NOW, THEY DO HAVE 450s AND 550s CHASSIS.
3:40:16PM THOSE ARE THE ONES WE WENT AWAY FROM.
3:40:18PM AS A MATTER OF FACT WE HAVE TWO WHAT USED TO BE PEAK CARS
3:40:21PM HAVE 450, 550.
3:40:23PM IT STAYS IN THE SHOP.
3:40:24PM WHAT GOOD IS IT IN THE SHOP IF IT'S NOT ON THE STREET, OKAY?
3:40:28PM SO IF SOMEONE KNOWS OF ANOTHER MANUFACTURER THAT HAS THESE
3:40:31PM FREIGHT LINE CHASSIS, THE CHASSIS THAT WE NEED TO RESPOND TO
3:40:35PM CALLS, I'M ALL FOR IT.
3:40:36PM IT'S NOT ABOUT THE SINGLE SOURCE.
3:40:38PM IT'S ABOUT GETTING THE EQUIPMENT.
3:40:40PM NOW, WHEN IT COMES TO SINGLE SOURCING FROM ONE MANUFACTURER
3:40:43PM TO ANOTHER ONE, THE ONE THAT WE USED TO SINGLE SOURCE, I
3:40:47PM WENT WITH -- BEFORE THE SHARED PLAN BECAUSE THE PRICE WAS
3:40:53PM CHEAPER SO NOW I HAVE GOTTEN MORE VEHICLES THAN WAS GOING TO
3:40:57PM GET WITH THE SINGLE SOURCE.
3:40:59PM SO I AM DOING HOMEWORK WHEN IT COMES TO THAT.
3:41:04PM WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE UNIT HAVING 19 CALLS, YOU KNOW, I
3:41:08PM WOULD LOVE TO SEE EXACTLY WERE THOSE CANCELS OR ACTUALLY
3:41:12PM TRANSPORT, DID THEY GET ONSCENE?
3:41:15PM YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT PRESIDENT STOCCO IS
3:41:18PM BRINGING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DEFINITELY LOOK INTO BECAUSE
3:41:21PM WHEN I SEE THERE IS A CONCERN OR ISSUE, I WANT TO TAKE CARE
3:41:23PM OF IT.
3:41:24PM SO WHEN IT COMES TO A LOT OF INFORMATION, LET'S GET THE
3:41:27PM FACTS TOGETHER, OKAY.
3:41:28PM LET'S FIND OUT WHAT, WHEN, WHERE AND HOW BEFORE WE START
3:41:32PM POINTING FINGERS.
3:41:33PM WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC SAFETY I'M ALL ABOUT IT.
3:41:35PM BUT I WILL TELL YOU FROM BEING IN THIS POSITION FOR A YEAR
3:41:37PM AND A HALF, AND WHAT WE HAVE ACCUMULATED OVER THAT YEAR AND
3:41:40PM A HALF, IT HAS BEEN A TRUE BLESSING.
3:41:42PM I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION, AND ALL OF
3:41:46PM THE NONCESSATION, TRANSITION, TRYING TO BUY UNITS FOR THE
3:41:54PM FUTURE.
3:41:54PM I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THAT.
3:41:55PM I CAN ONLY DO WHAT I CAN DO FOR NOW, AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE
3:41:58PM BEEN DOING.
3:41:59PM I HAVE BEEN INCREASING.
3:42:00PM WE JUST GOT TWO HEAVY RESCUE.
3:42:02PM WE JUST ORDERED THAT.
3:42:03PM I GO DOWN NEXT WEEK TO ORDER THREE MORE ENGINES, DOWN IN
3:42:07PM BRADENTON.
3:42:07PM AND THEN WE CAN ORDER ANOTHER TILLER.
3:42:11PM MY INVENTORY LIST WHEN I FIRST GOT THERE AND SAW THE AGES OF
3:42:14PM THOSE VEHICLES, I THOUGHT, OH MY GOSH, YOU ARE RIGHT, THEY
3:42:18PM SHOULD HAVE A BLUE TAG ON THEM.
3:42:19PM OKAY.
3:42:21PM BUT I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE PAST.
3:42:22PM I CAN ONLY TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE AND WHAT I AM TRYING TO DO
3:42:26PM FOR THE MEN AND WOMEN OF TAMPA FIRE RESCUE.
3:42:29PM I HAVE THEIR BEST INTEREST AT MY HEART BECAUSE I WAS OUT
3:42:31PM THERE AS WELL. I DON'T FORGET WHERE I COME FROM.
3:42:33PM I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THEY HAVE DONE FOR TAMPA FIRE RESCUE
3:42:35PM AND WHAT THEY DO FOR THE COMMUNITY.
3:42:37PM BUT LET'S GET THE FACTS TOGETHER AND LIKE YOU SAID, LET'S
3:42:39PM GET THE POLITICS. I WANT TO WORK WITH YOU, NOT AGAINST YOU.
3:42:43PM WE HAVE A JOB TO DO.
3:42:44PM WE HAVE PEOPLE, WE HAVE A COMMUNITY WE HAVE TO SERVE.
3:42:47PM SO A LOT OF THE INFORMATION I AM NOT GOING TO KEEP GOING
3:42:49PM BACK AND FORTH.
3:42:50PM WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE HOSPITALS, TAMPA GENERAL, SAINT JOE'S
3:42:55PM HAS NOT BEEN AN ISSUE.
3:42:56PM WHEN THEY SEE TAMPA FIRE COME IN, THEY DO EVERYTHING THEY
3:42:59PM CAN TO TRY TO OFFLOAD.
3:43:00PM IT MIGHT BE A HICCUP BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE A TRAUMA OR
3:43:03PM SOMETHING THAT MIGHT TAKE PRECEDENCE AND WE HAVE TO WAIT A
3:43:07PM COUPLE MINUTES.
3:43:07PM THE ONE PARTICULAR HOSPITAL THAT WE ARE IN PROCESS OF
3:43:10PM COMMUNICATING WITH TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT RELATIONSHIP A
3:43:13PM LITTLE BETTER WHEN IT COMES TO OUR UNITS.
3:43:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
3:43:22PM COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
3:43:25PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE APPLICATION PROCESS, IS THAT CLOSED OR
3:43:28PM THAT THAT OFF?
3:43:32PM IT OPENS UP?
3:43:36PM >> I CLOSE AND OPEN BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO PUT A STRAIN ON
3:43:38PM HR.
3:43:39PM I LET THEM KNOW WHEN WE ARE GETTING READY BECAUSE YOU CAN
3:43:41PM OPEN IT UP AND IT CAN STAY OPEN, BUT I AM NOT GOING TO KEEP
3:43:44PM APPLYING BECAUSE IT'S A PROCESS.
3:43:45PM WHEN TAMPA FIRE HIRES WE HAVE MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS THAT'S
3:43:49PM INCLUDED IN THAT.
3:43:50PM SO WHAT I DO, BECAUSE THE PROCESS USED TO TAKE ABOUT EIGHT
3:43:53PM MONTHS.
3:43:54PM WHEN I CAME ON, IT TOOK ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS.
3:43:56PM I HAVE DECREASED THAT TO ANYWHERE BETWEEN 3 AND 4 MONTHS.
3:44:00PM WE OPEN IT UP AT THE END OF DECEMBER.
3:44:02PM WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THOSE INDIVIDUALS ON MARCH 20th.
3:44:04PM AND THAT'S BECAUSE I WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENTS.
3:44:07PM I LET THEM KNOW, HEY, I AM LOOKING TO HIRE.
3:44:09PM YOU GIVE ME TWO WEEKS WHERE YOU CAN DO WHATEVER ADDITIONAL
3:44:12PM TESTING.
3:44:12PM AND THAT'S WHY WE DO IT THAT WAY, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT NO
3:44:15PM ONE STAYING ON THE LIST BECAUSE IF I AM NOT IN THE PROCESS
3:44:19PM OF INTERVIEWING I AM NOT GOING TO INTERVIEW NOBODY SO THEY
3:44:21PM CAN SIT ON THAT LIST FOR SIX MONTHS.
3:44:23PM SO I WOULD RATHER OPEN IT UP FOR A PERIOD, LET THEM KNOW
3:44:26PM THIS IS THE TIME WE ARE HIRING. IF THEY WANT TO APPLY WE DO
3:44:30PM HAVE ON THE INTERNET THAT THEY CAN GO IN AND PUT THEIR NAME
3:44:33PM ON THE LIST SO WHEN THAT POSITION OPENS UP, I WILL SEND THEM
3:44:36PM AN E-MAIL AND LET THEM KNOW THAT, HEY, FIREFIGHTER POSITION
3:44:40PM IS OPEN, YOU CAN APPLY.
3:44:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:44:49PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:44:49PM >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST WANT TO BE SAY THANK YOU AGAIN.
3:44:53PM IT'S EVIDENT NOW TO THE PUBLIC WHAT I HAVE EXPERIENCED IN
3:44:56PM TALKING TO YOU PRIVATELY RECENTLY IS THAT YOU HAVE BEEN
3:44:58PM WORKING REALLY HARD OVER THE LAST 18 OR SO MONTHS AND YOU
3:45:01PM HAVE A HANDLE ON THE ISSUES, AND I APPRECIATE YOU PUSHING
3:45:04PM BACK AND HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH US, ROBUST DISCUSSION WAS
3:45:08PM US ABOUT IT.
3:45:08PM I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT YOU COME UP WITH A PLAN.
3:45:10PM I APPRECIATE ANY WORK YOU CAN DO TO WORK WITH NICK AND HIS
3:45:14PM TEAM AS WELL.
3:45:15PM THANK YOU.
3:45:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
3:45:17PM THANK YOU, CHIEF.
3:45:20PM NICHOLAS, PLEASE, QUICKLY.
3:45:21PM >> I GET THE LAST WORD, NICK.
3:45:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NICK STOCCO.
3:45:29PM I HEAR PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS, AND I HEARD IT THROUGHOUT
3:45:32PM THE MORNING, PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION, PREVIOUS
3:45:35PM ADMINISTRATION, PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS.
3:45:37PM WE HAVE GOT TO DO SOMETHING.
3:45:39PM WE HAVE GOT TO DO SOMETHING NOW.
3:45:40PM IN REGARD TO THE PEAK UNITS BEING IN THE SHOP, THAT'S
3:45:43PM BECAUSE WE ARE RUNNING THEM TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN'T
3:45:46PM MAINTAIN THEM AND THEY LIVE IN THE SHOP.
3:45:49PM AND THOSE PEAK UNITS WERE DESIGNED FOR SPECIAL EVENTS, NOT
3:45:53PM TO BE BEAT DOWN AS MUCH AS THEY ARE.
3:45:56PM WE JUST GOT TWO NEW RESCUE, 9 AND 24.
3:46:00PM I'M SORRY, REPLACEMENT VEHICLES.
3:46:02PM WE GOT TWO NEW REPLACEMENT VEHICLES.
3:46:04PM ONE IN WEST TAMPA.
3:46:05PM ONE OVER AT 13.
3:46:07PM WHY CAN'T WE TAKE THOSE TWO ADDITIONAL UNITS, THOSE TWO
3:46:10PM REPLACEMENT VEHICLES, AND PUT THEM IN OTHER PARTS OF THE
3:46:14PM CITY, AND FILL THEM LIKE WE HAD THE PEAK CAR PROGRAM, WHERE
3:46:18PM IT'S A VOLUNTARY OVERTIME STATUS AT LEAST TO SOLVE THIS
3:46:22PM CRISIS.
3:46:22PM WE HAVE A CRISIS WHERE WE NEED AMBULANCE.
3:46:24PM WE JUST GOT TWO NEW REPLACEMENTS.
3:46:27PM WHY CAN'T WE TAKE THOSE TWO UNITS, PUT THEM RIGHT BACK ON
3:46:30PM THE STREET, AND RUN THEM AS PEAK OVER TIME.
3:46:34PM AND IF IT'S BUDGET OR FINANCES, I HOPE WE SET THAT ASIDE.
3:46:37PM THANK YOU.
3:46:42PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: AS HE SAY THOSE PEAK UNITS, THOSE ARE 450s
3:46:45PM AND 550s.
3:46:47PM THAT'S WHY IF THERE'S A MANUFACTURER THAT CAN MAKE THOSE
3:46:49PM VEHICLES, I DON'T WANT THEM.
3:46:50PM I DON'T NEED THEM FOR THE COMMUNITY.
3:46:52PM BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL.
3:46:54PM THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HELP METROPOLITAN BECAUSE THEY ARE
3:46:56PM GOING TO STAY IN THE SHOP BECAUSE OF THE WEAR AND TEAR.
3:47:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC WHAT YOU ARE
3:47:06PM TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE 350, 450, THEY DON'T NOTICE WHAT THAT
3:47:09PM IS.
3:47:10PM ROD AND REEL MAYBE.
3:47:11PM OR THE BODY WITH 450 OR WHATEVER.
3:47:16PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE ARE USING IS A HEAVY DUTY
3:47:18PM CHASSIS, FREIGHTLINER.
3:47:21PM YOU HAVE A TRUCK AND THEN YOU HAVE THE BODY PART THAT HOLDS
3:47:23PM THE BOX THAT WE ACTUALLY TRANSPORT PATIENTS IN.
3:47:26PM SO IT'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CHASSIS.
3:47:30PM YOU KNOW, WE ARE USING A HEAVY DUTY NOW, AND THE 450 IS LIKE
3:47:35PM AFFORD BIG TRUCK, LIKE AN F 150.
3:47:38PM IT'S A 450, YOU KNOW.
3:47:40PM SO IT IS A TRUCK BUT IT'S NOT A HEAVY DUTY TRUCK TO TAKE THE
3:47:43PM WEAR AND TEAR AND THE RESPONSE TIME OF HOW WE RUN OUR
3:47:47PM VEHICLES.
3:47:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: CHIEF BENNETT?
3:47:53PM >>JOHN BENNETT: JUST FOR COUNCILMAN GUDES' QUESTIONS REAL
3:47:56PM QUICK ABOUT THE 911 CENTER.
3:47:58PM SO GREAT QUESTIONS.
3:47:59PM THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, BECAUSE IT WAS DIFFERENT ACROSS THE
3:48:02PM BAY, POLICE ANSWER EVERY CALL, AND THEN THEY TRANSFER TO
3:48:06PM FIRE.
3:48:06PM SO THAT'S WHERE THE POLICE SIDE HAS MORE INTAKE OPTIONS AND
3:48:10PM THEY ROTATE BETWEEN TALL TAKING AND DISPATCH.
3:48:14PM WHEN IT GETS DOWN TO FIRE, IT'S GETTING FOR DISPATCH OF SO
3:48:18PM IT'S KIND TO GET TO FIRE.
3:48:21PM BASED ON THE NUMBERS I HEAR WITH FIRE IN THE 90,000s, IF
3:48:25PM YOU BREAK IT DOWN IT'S ABOUT 10 CALLS AN HOUR.
3:48:27PM THE POLICE ARE RUNNING 60 CALLS AN HOUR, ABOUT ONE A MINUTE.
3:48:32PM SO THE OFFSET IN LOAD IS PART OF THE REASON TOO FOR THE
3:48:34PM DIFFERENCES IN WORKLOAD.
3:48:36PM NOW OF COURSE FIRE CALLS ARE GOING TO BE INVOLVED WITH
3:48:40PM TRANSPORTS AND EVERYTHING SO THAT'S WHY THE UNIT ALLOCATION
3:48:44PM IS SO IMPORTANT, HOW MANY HOURS WITHIN 24 HOURS ARE THEY
3:48:47PM BUSY, AND THAT'S A WORKLOAD ANALYSIS.
3:48:49PM AND THEN OF COURSE THAT OFFSETS THE RESPONSE TIME CONCERNS
3:48:53PM THAT WE ALL NEED TO DEFINE AS A LEVEL OF SERVICE, AND THEN
3:48:56PM FUND THAT GAP.
3:48:57PM AND THAT'S WHAT WE ALL NEED TO WORK TOGETHER ON.
3:48:59PM AND YOU HEARD CHIEF TRIPP TALK ABOUT THE CAD MAKEOVER.
3:49:04PM WE DID BUY TABLETS FOR FIRE BECAUSE I SAW THOSE MAPS, THE
3:49:07PM REAL MAPS WHEN WE GOT HERE.
3:49:09PM THEY HAD COFFEE STAINS ON THEM.
3:49:10PM IT'S JUST RIDICULOUS.
3:49:13PM WHEN I FOUND OUT THE CAD THING WAS BOGGING DOWN, CHIEF
3:49:17PM O'HARA FOUND MONEY AND WE BOUGHT TABLETS BUT THAT WAS A
3:49:20PM BAND-AID TO GET THEM TO THE CAD DELIVERY.
3:49:22PM BUT AT LEAST TO GET THEM OUT OF THAT ANTIQUATED MAP THAT
3:49:27PM THEY WERE USING HARD COPIES FOR, TRYING TO DRIVE AND FLIP
3:49:29PM PAGES WHICH IS NO GOOD.
3:49:31PM SO I WILL TELL YOU THAT CHIEF TRIPP AT LEAST IN MY
3:49:36PM EXPERIENCE -- OF COURSE I HAVEN'T SEEN ALL THE OTHER
3:49:39PM CHIEFS -- IS THE ONLY ONE BRINGING PROGRESS TO THE TABLE.
3:49:42PM I NEED THIS, I NEED THAT.
3:49:43PM SO YOUR SUPPORT FOR HER AS WE GO THROUGH THE NEXT BUDGET
3:49:46PM CYCLE WILL BE PARAMOUNT.
3:49:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:49:49PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: CHIEF, WITH THE DISPATCH, I KNOW POLICE
3:49:54PM HAS HIGHER VOLUME THAN FIRE.
3:49:57PM BUT ONE MORE FREQUENCY?
3:50:00PM I MEAN THAT'S --
3:50:01PM >> YES, THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT.
3:50:05PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK
3:50:17PM AT, SO YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT -- AS POLICE --
3:50:30PM >>JOHN BENNETT: I UNDERSTAND THAT.
3:50:32PM AND AGAIN THIS IS A LEAP OF UNDERSTANDING RIGHT NOW.
3:50:34PM BUT BACK IN THE 2000S WHEN I WAS WORKING WITH URBAN AREA
3:50:38PM SECURITY INITIATIVE, THEY HAD THE MPTs, THE COMPUTERS IN
3:50:42PM THE VEHICLES, AND SOMEHOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT FELL OFF
3:50:45PM OVER THE LAST DECADE, BUT PROBABLY THE REASON THEY HAD ONE
3:50:50PM DISPATCH IS THEY COULD ON STAY I AM HERE, THEY COULD DO
3:50:55PM THINGS THAT DIDN'T REQUIRE DISPATCH.
3:50:56PM AND NOW DISPATCH IS PICKING UP THE GAP WITHOUT THE RIGHT CAD
3:51:00PM SYSTEM.
3:51:00PM SO WHETHER IT'S A TEMP OR FULL FIX, WE HAVE TO FIGURE THAT
3:51:03PM OUT.
3:51:04PM THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
3:51:04PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
3:51:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYTHING ELSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS?
3:51:15PM CHIEF, ARE YOU FINISHED?
3:51:17PM >> YES, I AM.
3:51:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
3:51:19PM CHIEF, HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
3:51:21PM I AM GOING TO MAKE MY LAST STATEMENT, IF COUNCIL DOESN'T
3:51:24PM MIND.
3:51:26PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:51:28PM BUDGET.
3:51:30PM NEXT TIME AROUND, SHOOT US A NUMBER.
3:51:33PM A NUMBER YOU WANT.
3:51:34PM AND THEN I SUGGEST THAT THIS COUNCIL ADD 10% TO IT.
3:51:40PM NOT FOR WHAT YOU WANT BUT WHAT IS NEEDED IN THE FUTURE.
3:51:43PM THANK YOU, CHIEF.
3:51:45PM COUNCIL, WE HAVE A QUESTION.
3:51:50PM WE HAVE FOUR AGENDA ITEMS, 52, 53, 54, 55.
3:51:56PM THE LEGAL REPRESENTATION FOR THE CITY HAS AN OBLIGATION AND
3:52:03PM HAS TO BE OUT OF HERE BY 5:30.
3:52:08PM COULD WE TAKE THOSE NEXT?
3:52:12PM THERE'S FOUR AGENDA ITEMS, TO ENSURE THAT THEY GET HEARD
3:52:14PM WITH LEGAL HERE?
3:52:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AT
3:52:18PM 9:30 A.M.
3:52:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:52:24PM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:52:26PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
3:52:27PM ANYONE WHO IS GOING TO BE GIVING ANY TYPE OF TESTIMONY IN
3:52:35PM ANY OF THE HEARINGS FOR THE REMAINDER, PLEASE RISE AND BE
3:52:38PM SWORN IN.
3:52:39PM MS. BARNES, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND FOR THE HECK OF IT.
3:52:42PM THANK YOU.
3:52:43PM >>THE CLERK:
3:52:45PM (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
3:52:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU ALL.
3:52:51PM LET'S GO TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 52.
3:53:00PM MS. BARNES, ARE YOU GOING TO LEAD US OFF ON THAT?
3:53:02PM >>ANNIE BARNES: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
3:53:06PM ITEM NUMBER 52 IS REZ 22-82 BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
3:53:10PM READING AND ADOPTION.
3:53:12PM FOR 6204 INTERBAY BOULEVARD.
3:53:15PM REQUEST IS TO REZONE PROPERTY FROM RS-60 TO PD FOR
3:53:19PM RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED.
3:53:20PM A DAYCARE CENTER, STRIP SHOPPING CENTER, INCLUDING CM USES,
3:53:25PM MEDICAL OFFICE AND RESTAURANT.
3:53:27PM SITE PLANS WERE DROPPED OFF TO COUNCIL CHAMBERS EARLIER THIS
3:53:30PM WEEK.
3:53:31PM I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
3:53:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. BARNES?
3:53:37PM THANK YOU.
3:53:40PM PETITIONER.
3:53:42PM >>DAVID MECHANIK: DAVID MECHANIK, HERE ON BEHALF OF THE
3:53:45PM APPLICANTS OMAR GARCIA, DAVID CHIR, AND WE ARE HERE TO
3:53:53PM ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS TODAY.
3:53:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
3:53:59PM IS THERE ANYONE IN CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO
3:54:02PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 52, FILE REZ 22-82?
3:54:06PM SEEING NONE, DO WE HAVE ANYONE ONLINE?
3:54:18PM YES, CAN YOU PLEASE BE SWORN AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND TO BE
3:54:21PM SWORN IN?
3:54:22PM (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
3:54:23PM >> I DO.
3:54:30PM >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU.
3:54:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, MA'AM.
3:54:33PM >> MY NAME IS LORRAINE PARRINO. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE
3:54:38PM TAMPA -- GROUP. [AUDIO DISTORTION]
3:54:41PM WHEN MY DAUGHTER WAS IN JUNIOR HIGH -- IT WAS VERY
3:54:46PM OPPRESSIVE.
3:54:47PM THIS IS THE LAST PRISTINE PROPERTY LEFT IN THE INTERBAY
3:54:54PM AREA, ONE OF THE MOST OVER-DEVELOPED AREAS IN SOUTH TAMPA.
3:54:55PM YET ON THIS UNDEVELOPED PIECE OF PROPERTY CONTAINING 165
3:54:58PM TREES, 50% AND ALLOW THEM TO RETAIN A MERE 10% OF THE 165
3:55:07PM TREES ON THIS PROPERTY.
3:55:09PM IN OTHER WORDS, DEVELOPER PLANS TO REMOVE 92 OF THE 165
3:55:13PM TREES ON THIS PROPERTY.
3:55:16PM THOSE 92 TREES.
3:55:19PM TAMPA TREE CODE REQUIRES 230 TREES TO MITIGATE THE VOLUME OF
3:55:23PM THOSE 92 TREES, 221 OF WHICH WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE PASSED
3:55:27PM ON, THE MOST VALUABLE SHADE TREES.
3:55:37PM THE ARBORIST STATES THIS HAS PROPERTY HAS CONSIDERABLE TREE
3:55:39PM COVER, ONLY TO FIND THE PROPERTY IS LOSING CANOPY COVER
3:55:42PM WHICH COVERS MORE THAN FOUR ACRES OF LAND.
3:55:44PM THE CITY OF TAMPA ARBORIST FOUND IT INCONSISTENT WITH
3:55:48PM THE CITY'S TREE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
3:55:49PM THE CITY'S TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT ALSO FOUND THIS PLANNED
3:55:52PM DEVELOPMENT TO BE INCONSISTENT TO POTENTIAL VIOLATION OF THE
3:55:55PM TREE CODE. MITIGATING THE EFFECTS IN SOUTH TAMPA.
3:56:07PM ONCE THE TREES ARE REMOVED THEY WILL BE GONE FOREVER.
3:56:10PM AND TAMPA RESIDENTS WILL BE FOREVER DEPRIVED OF ALL THE
3:56:13PM BENEFITS.
3:56:15PM AT THE DECEMBER REZONING HEARING, SEVERAL TAMPA RESIDENTS
3:56:16PM TESTIFIED THAT THEY -- CONDOS IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
3:56:23PM HOWEVER THESE CONDOS, HOW MANY CURRENTLY RESIDING AND HOW
3:56:30PM MANY YOUNG PEOPLE CAN PURCHASE A CONDO AT THAT PRICE TAG?
3:56:35PM THE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO I MEET ARE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS
3:56:42PM BECAUSE THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO BUY A HOUSE IN TAMPA.
3:56:44PM I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHO YOU THINK YOU ARE REPRESENTING WHEN
3:56:47PM YOU APPROVE ONE CONDO DEVELOPMENT AFTER ANOTHER HERE IN
3:56:51PM TAMPA BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE NOT REPRESENTING THE
3:56:53PM MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO WORK HERE AND WHO WOULD LIKE TO
3:56:56PM RESIDE IN TAMPA.
3:56:57PM I AM REALLY SICK AND TIRED OF THE CITY PLAYING POOR MOUTH
3:57:00PM WHEN IT COMES TO BUYING PROPERTY LIKE THIS AND TURN IT INTO
3:57:18PM A PUBLIC PARK FOR THE PUBLIC BENEFIT.
3:57:23PM IS THE CITY EVEN PLANTING THE 1,000 TREES MANDATED BY
3:57:25PM THE TAMPA TREE ORDINANCE?
3:57:28PM TAMPA IS LOSING OAKS AT A GREAT RATE DUE TO OVERDEVELOPMENT.
3:57:33PM I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET AN ANSWER FROM THE CITY
3:57:35PM CONTEMPLATING -- [BELL SOUNDS]
3:57:40PM PLEASE CONSIDER TO NOT ALLOW THIS REZONING REQUEST AND
3:57:45PM PRESERVE ONE OF TAMPA'S CITY PARCELS WITH NATURAL BEAUTY FOR
3:57:48PM TAMPA'S RESIDENTS --
3:57:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
3:57:50PM THANK YOU.
3:57:51PM >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU.
3:57:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE ONLINE?
3:57:56PM ANYBODY ELSE IN CHAMBERS?
3:57:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO CLOSE.
3:57:59PM >> SECOND.
3:57:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:58:01PM SECONDED BY -- REBUTTAL?
3:58:08PM >>DAVID MECHANIK: VERY BRIEFLY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
3:58:12PM WE ADDRESSED THE TREES EXTENSIVELY DURING THE HEARING IN
3:58:17PM DECEMBER.
3:58:18PM I WOULD JUST REMIND COUNCIL THAT 85% OF THE TREES WERE
3:58:23PM EITHER IN FAIR OR POOR CONDITION.
3:58:27PM WE ARE SAVING ALL OF THE GRAND TREES.
3:58:32PM REGARDING THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT, WE
3:58:35PM ADDRESSED ALL THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS EXCEPT THEY HAVE WHAT
3:58:41PM THEY CALL A TECHNICAL OBJECTION BECAUSE WE HAD A 1.4%
3:58:47PM REDUCTION IN PARKING, WHICH IS VIRTUALLY -- IT'S MINUSCULE.
3:58:56PM AND WITH THAT, I LEAVE IT TO COUNCIL.
3:58:58PM WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL.
3:59:01PM THANK YOU.
3:59:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:59:09PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:59:10PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:59:11PM ANY OPPOSED?
3:59:11PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO PASS ON READING IT BUT CAN
3:59:19PM I MAKE A STATEMENT?
3:59:21PM OR HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE READ IT FIRST?
3:59:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SURELY.
3:59:24PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST A STATEMENT.
3:59:25PM LAST TIME I VOTED FOR THIS, A BIG TREE ADVOCATE, WE WANT TO
3:59:34PM PROTECT AS MANY TREES AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
3:59:36PM WE SPENT A LARGE AMOUNT OF TIME LAST TIME ASKING QUESTIONS
3:59:40PM ABOUT THE CITY AND THE APPLICANT'S TREE EXPERTS ABOUT THESE
3:59:45PM TREES.
3:59:46PM AND IN WEIGHING WHAT THE CURRENT USES ARE, WHAT THEY COULD
3:59:50PM DO NOW, THERE ARE SOME CASES, EVEN WHERE I LIVE, WHERE NOW
3:59:56PM THE RESIDENTS WHICH THEY HAD APPROVED -- OR PUSHED FOR
4:00:00PM SOMETHING THAT THEY WANTED US TO VOTE AGAINST.
4:00:02PM AND IN THIS CASE, WHEN THE POSSIBILITIES OF WHAT COULD
4:00:06PM HAPPEN TO THE TREES IN ANOTHER CIRCUMSTANCE.
4:00:10PM I VOTED FOR IT AND I WILL CONTINUE TO VOTE FOR IT, BUT THAT
4:00:13PM DOESN'T CHANGE HOW I FEEL ABOUT TREES.
4:00:15PM IT'S SAD TO ME WHEN ANY TREES ARE TORN DOWN BUT I WOULD
4:00:20PM RATHER SAVE AS MANY OF THESE TREES AS I CAN, WHERE WE CAN
4:00:24PM POTENTIALLY END UP.
4:00:25PM THANK YOU.
4:00:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
4:00:27PM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, I WILL READ IT, SIR.
4:00:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
4:00:30PM I WAS GOING TO GO TO YOU.
4:00:32PM I GO TO YOU.
4:00:33PM >>LUIS VIERA: ITEM -- SORRY, LONG DAY -- MOVE ITEM 52.
4:00:38PM FILE NUMBER REZ 22-82.
4:00:41PM ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION,
4:00:44PM AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
4:00:47PM 6204 INTERBAY BOULEVARD IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND
4:00:51PM MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING
4:00:54PM DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS 30 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY TO
4:00:56PM PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED,
4:00:58PM DAYCARE, TRIP SHOPPING CENTER, INCLUDING CN USES, MEDICAL
4:01:01PM OFFICE AND RESTAURANT, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
4:01:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
4:01:07PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
4:01:08PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
4:01:11PM PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
4:01:12PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK VOTING NO.
4:01:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:01:24PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 53.
4:01:27PM FILE REZ 22-75.
4:01:29PM >>ANNIE BARNES: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
4:01:35PM ITEM NUMBER 53 IS REZ 22-75, FOR SECOND READING AND
4:01:40PM ADOPTION, FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1603 NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE
4:01:44PM AND 318 AND 320 EAST HENDERSON AVENUE, REZONING PROPERTY
4:01:50PM FROM RM-24 AND PD TO PD FOR EMERGENCY SHELTER FACILITY,
4:01:57PM COMMERCIAL OFF-STREET PARKING AND BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL
4:02:00PM OFFICE.
4:02:00PM SITE PLANS WERE DROPPED OFF EARLIER THIS WEEK.
4:02:02PM I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
4:02:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. BARNES? SEEING NONE.
4:02:11PM PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND TO BE SWORN IN.
4:02:13PM (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK)
4:02:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE PROCEED.
4:02:22PM >> ALEX SCHALER, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE FOR THE RECORD.
4:02:25PM THIS WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED BACK IN DECEMBER. WE HAVE
4:02:25PM MADE ALL THE REVISIONS ASKED BY STAFF.
4:02:31PM I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
4:02:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?
4:02:40PM ANYONE ONLINE TO SPEAK TO THIS?
4:02:46PM ANYONE IN CHAMBERS?
4:02:48PM MOTION BY GUDES, SECOND BY MIRANDA.
4:02:50PM ALL IN FAVOR?
4:02:52PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
4:02:55PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE 53, REZ 22-75,
4:03:01PM ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION,
4:03:04PM AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
4:03:06PM 1603 NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE AND 318 AND 320 EAST HENDERSON
4:03:10PM AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY
4:03:13PM DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION
4:03:16PM RM-24 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY AND PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO
4:03:19PM PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, EMERGENCY SHELTER FACILITY,
4:03:22PM COMMERCIAL OFF-STREET PARKING AND BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL
4:03:25PM OFFICE, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
4:03:26PM >> SECOND.
4:03:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED
4:03:31PM BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
4:03:32PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
4:03:34PM PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
4:03:35PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH HURTAK BEING
4:03:43PM ABSENT AT VOTE.
4:03:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM 54.
4:03:51PM FILE REZ 22-90.
4:03:54PM >>ANNIE BARNES: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. ITEM 54 IS REZ
4:03:57PM 22-90 PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING FOR 2500 WEST AZEELE
4:04:01PM STREET REZONING PROPERTY FROM PD TO PD FOR BUSINESS
4:04:04PM PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.
4:04:06PM SITE PLANS WERE DROPPED OFF EARLIER THIS WEEK.
4:04:08PM I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
4:04:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. BARNES?
4:04:13PM >> KAMI CORBETT WITH THE LAW FIRM OF HILL, WARD, HENDERSON.
4:04:18PM HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
4:04:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE IN CHAMBERS THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO
4:04:22PM THIS?
4:04:23PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO CLOSE.
4:04:24PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
4:04:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECOND
4:04:27PM BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
4:04:28PM ALL IN FAVOR?
4:04:29PM IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
4:04:31PM THANK YOU.
4:04:32PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
4:04:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
4:04:37PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY
4:04:39PM IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 2500 WEST AZEELE STREET IN THE
4:04:43PM CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
4:04:45PM SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION PD PLANNED
4:04:47PM DEVELOPMENT TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL
4:04:49PM OFFICE, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
4:04:51PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND.
4:04:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO,
4:04:55PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
4:04:58PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
4:05:00PM PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
4:05:02PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
4:05:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:05:15PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 55, FILE.
4:05:35PM >>ANNIE BARNES: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. ITEM 55 IS REZ
4:05:35PM 22-100 REZONING PROPERTY FROM RM 24 TO PD RESIDENTIAL
4:05:37PM MULTIFAMILY.
4:05:38PM SITE PLANS WERE DROPPED OFF EARLIER THIS WEEK.
4:05:39PM I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
4:05:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. BARNES?
4:05:45PM SEEING NONE, MS. SCHALER.
4:05:48PM >> ALEX SCHALER, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE, FOR THE RECORD.
4:05:52PM THIS WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED IN DECEMBER. WE MADE ALL THE
4:05:52PM STAFF-REQUESTED REVISIONS. I AM AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY
4:05:59PM QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
4:06:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER?
4:06:01PM IS THERE ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS?
4:06:07PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:06:13PM MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN
4:06:16PM MANISCALCO.
4:06:17PM ALL IN FAVOR?
4:06:22PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:06:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK: REZ 22-100. ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
4:06:26PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY
4:06:29PM IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 2401 WEST PLATT STREET IN THE
4:06:33PM CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
4:06:36PM SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RM-24
4:06:39PM RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT,
4:06:43PM RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
4:06:46PM >> SECOND.
4:06:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK,
4:06:50PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
4:06:52PM PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
4:06:53PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
4:06:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:07:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I MOVE THE RESOLUTION ATTACHED TO THIS.
4:07:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION SECONDED BY
4:07:10PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
4:07:10PM ALL IN FAVOR?
4:07:12PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:07:16PM NOW, GOING BACK, WE HAVE A WALK-ON AGENDA ITEM.
4:07:22PM I HOPE THE PEOPLE ARE STILL HERE FOR THAT.
4:07:31PM RIGHT HERE.
4:07:31PM MEMORANDUM, RESOLUTION.
4:07:36PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: THOSE ARE ALLEY VACATING.
4:07:44PM WE NEED TO GET MS. JOHNSON-VELEZ.
4:07:47PM SHE HAD TO LEAVE.
4:07:49PM I WOULD LIKE TO DO IT BUT --
4:07:53PM >> FILE NUMBER E-2022-48.
4:07:56PM >> THIS IS MARCIE HAMILTON, LEGAL DEPARTMENT, WITH A
4:08:10PM WALK-ON, BASED ON A MOTION REGARDING THE USE OF THE CITY'S
4:08:20PM BLACK HISTORY COMMITTEE FOR THEIR CEREMONIES IN FEBRUARY AND
4:08:25PM ALSO IN MAY.
4:08:27PM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE COPIES --
4:08:31PM >> THIS IS JUST FOR THE USE OF THE CITY SEAL, CORRECT?
4:08:33PM >> IT'S FOR THE USE OF THE CITY SEAL.
4:08:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAD A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
4:08:43PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
4:08:44PM ALL IN FAVOR?
4:08:45PM THANK YOU.
4:08:45PM THAT TAKES CARE OF THE WALK-ON AGENDA ITEMS.
4:08:50PM THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
4:08:51PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4, FILE PS 23-79171.
4:09:01PM MY APOLOGIES.
4:09:07PM FILE BZP 23-78936.
4:09:13PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY.
4:09:18PM THIS IS A RESOLUTION THAT WAS ON YOUR AGENDA FOR JANUARY
4:09:21PM 5th.
4:09:21PM WE HAD TO HOLD THIS TILL THIS MEETING BECAUSE YOU NEEDED TO
4:09:25PM ACT UPON IT AS A CRA FIRST BEFORE WE MOVE THE MONEY.
4:09:28PM IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I AM HERE.
4:09:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
4:09:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED BY
4:09:35PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:09:36PM ALL IN FAVOR?
4:09:37PM IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
4:09:38PM MOTION PASSES.
4:09:41PM OKAY, FILE PS 23-79171.
4:09:45PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4.
4:09:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
4:09:51PM I BROUGHT THIS UP EARLIER WHEN WE DISCUSSED THE
4:09:53PM FIREFIGHTERS.
4:09:55PM WE ARE INVESTING IN 100 VEHICLES FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT,
4:10:00PM AND HOW APPROPRIATE ON THE DAY WE ARE DISCUSSING SO MANY
4:10:03PM NEEDS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
4:10:04PM SO MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
4:10:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED
4:10:07PM BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
4:10:08PM ALL IN FAVOR?
4:10:09PM IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
4:10:11PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:10:11PM MOTION PASSES.
4:10:14PM MR. BHIDE, ARE YOU WITH US?
4:10:24PM THERE YOU ARE, MR. BHIDE.
4:10:25PM THANK YOU.
4:10:25PM >>VIK BHIDE: VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR, MOBILITY DEPARTMENT, ON
4:10:33PM ITEMS 5 AND 6.
4:10:37PM THEY BOTH REFER TO THE LOWER PENINSULA FLOODING PROJECT.
4:10:41PM THIS IS A $6 MILLION PROJECT JUST NORTH OF MacDILL.
4:10:59PM OTHER IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDING LIMITED WATER, IMPROVEMENTS, A
4:11:05PM NEW STORMWATER POND, ON EXISTING PROPERTY, THAT IS DESIGNED
4:11:10PM TO PRESERVE, CREDIT SOME PUBLIC AMENITIES.
4:11:19PM AND COUNCIL APPROVED CONSTRUCTION LATE LAST YEAR.
4:11:32PM THIS IS FOR FUNDING FOR 12.5 MILLION AND ITEM 6 IS THE
4:11:38PM TRANSACTION FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, LESS $35,000.
4:11:45PM AT THIS TIME, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
4:11:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BHIDE?
4:11:50PM WE HAVE COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
4:11:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO THIS IS PART OF THE 251
4:11:52PM MILLION-DOLLAR STORMWATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS FROM
4:11:56PM 2016.
4:11:57PM THIS IS NOT A LOWER PENINSULA?
4:12:01PM GLAD TO SEE THAT.
4:12:01PM SO I WILL GLADLY SUPPORT IT.
4:12:04PM THANK YOU.
4:12:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:12:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: DO WE HAVE THE NAME OF THE CONTRACTOR?
4:12:12PM >>VIK BHIDE: YES.
4:12:13PM THE PRIME CONTRACTOR WAS KIMMINS.
4:12:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANTED TO ASK.
4:12:30PM >> KIMMINS WORKED ON WESTSHORE AND ALL THAT.
4:12:35PM YES, THERE WERE COMPLICATIONS.
4:12:37PM IT'S A MAJOR PROJECT.
4:12:39PM EXCELLENT RESPONSE TIME.
4:12:40PM EXCELLENT EVERYTHING.
4:12:41PM SO I THINK WE ARE IN VERY GOOD HANDS FOR THIS.
4:12:44PM THANK YOU.
4:12:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET'S TAKE THESE MOTIONS, RESOLUTIONS ONE
4:12:48PM AT A TIME.
4:12:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE NUMBER 5.
4:12:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED
4:12:56PM BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA TO MOVE FILE PW 23-79284.
4:13:04PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
4:13:05PM IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
4:13:07PM THANK YOU.
4:13:07PM >>VIK BHIDE: CHAIR, IS IT 283?
4:13:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'M SORRY?
4:13:14PM >>VIK BHIDE: I HAVE 283.
4:13:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT'S CORRECT.
4:13:19PM DYSLEXIA TAKING OVER AGAIN.
4:13:21PM YOU ARE CORRECT.
4:13:22PM FILE NUMBER PW 23-79276, MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
4:13:30PM MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
4:13:32PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
4:13:34PM ANY OPPOSED?
4:13:36PM VIK, I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR WORKING SO
4:13:39PM HARD ON THIS.
4:13:41PM I HAVE MADE A PLEDGE TO OPPOSE WHICH IS A GROUP OF RELIGIOUS
4:13:48PM CONGREGATIONS, AND THEY ASKED ME TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
4:13:53PM RETENTION POND WOULD NOT JUST BE RETENTION POND THAT THEY
4:13:57PM WOULD ACTUALLY GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY, AND VIK, WITH
4:14:00PM YOUR HELP, THIS IS NOT JUST GOING TO BE AN UNSIGHTLY
4:14:05PM RETENTION POND.
4:14:05PM THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE A HABITAT FOR NATURE, AND
4:14:10PM BEAUTIFUL, AND BE ABLE TO BE VIEWED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
4:14:14PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HARD WORK.
4:14:16PM >>VIK BHIDE: THANK YOU, SIR.
4:14:24PM AND STORMWATER, AN INCREDIBLE JOB.
4:14:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. BHIDE.
4:14:28PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7.
4:14:30PM FILE PW 23-79310.
4:14:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: [OFF MICROPHONE] A MEMO FROM MR.
4:14:42PM WASHINGTON AND I AM GOOD TO GO WITH THE RESOLUTION.
4:14:47PM >> SECOND.
4:14:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. WASHINGTON?
4:14:54PM ARE YOU THERE?
4:14:56PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON: YES, SIR, I AM.
4:14:59PM THANK YOU.
4:14:59PM I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
4:15:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
4:15:03PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
4:15:06PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
4:15:07PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
4:15:08PM IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
4:15:10PM MOTION PASSES.
4:15:11PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON: THANK YOU.
4:15:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
4:15:15PM AGENDA NUMBER 8, CM 22-78780.
4:15:23PM WE DID THAT, RIGHT YOU ARE RIGHT.
4:15:25PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: ITEM NUMBER 9.
4:15:33PM YOU ARE REFERENCING ITEM NUMBER 8 WHICH IS A REPORT FROM
4:15:37PM CHIEF TRIPP.
4:15:38PM ITEM 10 IS THE SAFETY IMPACT FEES.
4:15:44PM I DELIVERED A MEMO TO YOU ALL. I OUTLINED THE STEPS. WE
4:15:45PM HAD A PROLONGED CONVERSATION ABOUT THE USE OF THE FIRE
4:15:45PM DEPARTMENT HERE.
4:15:51PM PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT FEES CAN ONLY BE USED BECAUSE THEY ARE
4:15:56PM CHARGED ON NEW BUILDING PERMITS TO OFFSET THE IMPACTS OF NEW
4:15:59PM GROWTH.
4:16:00PM YOU CAN'T USE IT FOR EXISTING DEFICITS.
4:16:02PM IT'S FOR ACTUALLY CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE, CAPACITY BUILDING.
4:16:07PM WE CAN USE TO THE BUY ADDITIONAL FIRE EQUIPMENT, TRUCKS THAT
4:16:11PM ARE NEEDED, EMS.
4:16:12PM THERE IS A PROCESS THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH,
4:16:14PM STUDIES.
4:16:17PM WE DO NOT HAVE THAT WORKSHOP.
4:16:19PM IT HAS TO BE ADOPTED BY ORDINANCES, ALL SPELLED OUT IN
4:16:22PM FLORIDA STATUTES, AND ANY EFFORT TO SHORT CHANGE THE PROCESS
4:16:26PM COULD BE PROBLEMATIC.
4:16:27PM THERE HAVE BEEN SOME IMPACT FEES THAT HAVE BEEN CHALLENGED
4:16:28PM BECAUSE THEY TRIED TO SHORT-CHANGE THE PROCESS, AND THEY
4:16:31PM HAVE BEEN OVERTURNED.
4:16:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: FOR CLARIFICATION, AND SO THE VIEWING
4:16:40PM AUDIENCE KNOWS WE ARE ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9, CM 23-79313.
4:16:46PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:16:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THIS AND I KNOW
4:16:49PM THAT THE PROCESS IS LONG.
4:16:51PM SO MY GOAL IS TO FIND OUT WHAT THE PROCESS IS, AND THANK YOU
4:16:55PM FOR DETAILING THAT.
4:16:55PM IT WAS VERY CLEAR IN YOUR MEMO.
4:16:58PM AND I JUST WANT TO GET THE BALL ROLLING.
4:17:00PM SO IF YOU TELL ME WHAT MOTION I NEED TO MAKE TO DO THE FIRST
4:17:04PM STEP, I WILL DO IT RIGHT NOW.
4:17:06PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: I THINK THE FIRST STEP WOULD BE TO ASK
4:17:09PM REVENUE, FINANCE AND PURCHASING TO COME FORWARD, MAYBE TWO
4:17:14PM WEEKS OR 30 DAYS, FIRST OF ALL WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE
4:17:17PM A CONSULTANT THAT WE HAVE ALREADY UNDER CONTRACT WITH THE
4:17:21PM CITY TO PERFORM THE STUDY BECAUSE THAT'S THE FIRST STEP.
4:17:24PM SO WE USED TO HAVE A COMPANY THAT'S CAPABLE OF DOING THIS,
4:17:31PM AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT CONTRACT MAY HAVE TERMINATED
4:17:33PM BUT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF RENEWING IT.
4:17:35PM SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST STEP TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE
4:17:38PM A CONSULTANT ON BOARD, AND THEN THEY WOULD THEN TAKE IT FROM
4:17:43PM THERE TO MAKE THE APPROPRIATE ANALYSIS.
4:17:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WONDERFUL. THEN I MAKE A MOTION THAT
4:17:49PM REVENUE AND FINANCE COME IN FRONT OF US ON FEBRUARY 2nd
4:17:52PM TO LET US KNOW THE FEASIBILITY OF GETTING THAT STUDY
4:17:56PM STARTED.
4:17:56PM >> SECOND.
4:17:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SECONDED BY
4:18:00PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
4:18:01PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
4:18:04PM MR. SHELBY?
4:18:06PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: AS PART OF THE MOTION THE STUDY FOR, SO
4:18:09PM IT'S PART OF THE MOTION.
4:18:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK: FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT FEE.
4:18:13PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
4:18:16PM >>BILL CARLSON: WE HAD A MEETING THE OTHER DAY ABOUT STAFF
4:18:18PM REPORTS THAT COULD BE LONG DISCUSSIONS.
4:18:19PM I COULD JUST MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT WE MUTT THIS ON A
4:18:22PM WORKSHOP DAY INSTEAD SO WE COULD GET ROBUST PUBLIC INPUT?
4:18:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WOULD.
4:18:28PM UNFORTUNATELY, THE NEXT REAL WORKSHOP DAY IS NEXT WEEK, AND
4:18:34PM THEN FOR THE 23rd, WORKSHOP, WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE,
4:18:39PM FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE, TEN ITEMS.
4:18:42PM >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO
4:18:48PM HEAR.
4:18:48PM I DON'T KNOW, WE BROUGHT THIS UP IN SOME SMALLER COMMUNITY
4:18:56PM MEETINGS, BUT I THINK IT'S GOOD TO FIND OUT WHAT LARGER
4:18:58PM GROUPS OF THE PUBLIC THINK ABOUT IT.
4:19:00PM I DON'T KNOW IF DEVELOPERS MAY BE FOR OR AGAINST IT OR
4:19:03PM NEIGHBORHOODS MAY BE FOR OR AGAINST IT.
4:19:05PM BEFORE WE HAVE THE CITY SPEND A LOT OF MONEY, IT WOULD BE
4:19:10PM NICE TO BE HEAR WHAT THE PUBLIC THINKS ABOUT IT.
4:19:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. IF WE WANT TO DO THAT, THEN PROBABLY
4:19:15PM THE BEST ONE WOULD BE MARCH 23rd.
4:19:21PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: WE COULD HAVE A WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS THE
4:19:26PM FEASIBILITY, THE NEXT STEPS.
4:19:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HONESTLY, THOUGH, I THINK IT GOES WELL WITH
4:19:31PM THE PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN.
4:19:33PM I JUST HATE TO OVERLOAD THAT WORKSHOP, BUT IT DOES DOVETAIL
4:19:37PM PERFECTLY WITH THE PUBLIC SAFETY PLAN.
4:19:40PM I AM GOING TO MAKE MY MOTION TO DO IT FEBRUARY 23rd AND
4:19:43PM WE CAN TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT.
4:19:44PM >> MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:19:46PM WHO WAS THE SECOND ON THAT?
4:19:48PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
4:19:49PM ALL IN FAVOR?
4:19:50PM IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
4:19:52PM THANK YOU.
4:19:55PM NOW WE ARE BACK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10, FILE CM 22-77745.
4:20:04PM >>OCEA WYNN: GOOD AFTERNOON, CITY COUNCIL.
4:20:12PM OCEA WYNN, ADMINISTRATOR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY AFFAIRS.
4:20:16PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10 WAS TO PROVIDE A REPORT ON THE
4:20:18PM PURCHASE OF SANDBAGGING MACHINES.
4:20:19PM AND I SUBMITTED A MEMO, WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT QUESTIONS DO
4:20:22PM YOU HAVE?
4:20:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: QUESTIONS FOR MS. WYNN?
4:20:27PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, THIS WAS YOUR MOTION.
4:20:28PM >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST WANTED THE PUBLIC TO HEAR WE ARE
4:20:31PM MOVING FORWARD.
4:20:31PM THIS WAS SOMETHING DURING THE LAST COUPLE OF HURRICANES,
4:20:34PM SEVERAL OF US GOT LOTS OF CALLS ON IT.
4:20:36PM THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU ARE ALSO BUYING THREE OF THEM?
4:20:44PM SO ANYBODY WHO WAS FRUSTRATED STANDING IN LINE, THE CITY IS
4:20:45PM NOW BUYING THREE OF THESE SO THANK YOU.
4:20:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IN ADDITION YOU DID MENTION IN THE MEMO THAT
4:20:53PM WE WILL BE EXPANDING THE NUMBER OF PARKS THAT HAVE SANDBAGS,
4:20:56PM CORRECT?
4:20:57PM >>OCEA WYNN: YES.
4:20:59PM WHAT WE ARE DOING NOW, WE LOOKED AT THIS, DURING THE LAST
4:21:02PM HURRICANE SEASON, WE ARE LOOKING AT WHERE WE COULD HAVE
4:21:04PM ADDITIONAL LOCATIONS FOR SANDBAG SITES.
4:21:08PM THE CHALLENGE IS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE PROPER INGRESS AND
4:21:12PM EGRESS SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT BOTTLENECK IN THE STREET AS WE
4:21:16PM EXPERIENCED DURING THE PREVIOUS HURRICANE SEASON.
4:21:19PM SO WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF EVALUATING THOSE SITES THAT
4:21:22PM COULD BE USED FOR ADDITIONAL SANDBAG STATIONS.
4:21:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK: GREAT.
4:21:28PM THANK YOU.
4:21:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
4:21:31PM MS. WYNN, THIS IS GREAT NEWS.
4:21:32PM I KNOW THAT MYSELF, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA -- EXCUSE ME,
4:21:36PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND COUNCILMAN VIERA WERE OUT FILLING
4:21:40PM SANDBAGS IN THE LAST HURRICANE.
4:21:42PM I PERSONALLY FILLED OVER 200 OF THEM.
4:21:44PM THIS IS GOING TO MAKE THE PROCESS A LOT QUICKER.
4:21:47PM THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN EACH PLACE GETTING SANDBAGS
4:21:51PM FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND NEEDED HELP.
4:21:53PM THANKS SO MUCH.
4:21:56PM >>OCEA WYNN: YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME.
4:21:58PM THANK YOU.
4:21:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11.
4:22:02PM WE ARE GOING TO HEAR THAT, AND THEN I BELIEVE MS. DUNCAN, IS
4:22:10PM GOING TO TALK ABOUT 12, 13, 27 AND 28.
4:22:14PM >> I BELIEVE THAT'S 27 AND 28.
4:22:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: 27 AND 28.
4:22:21PM FIRST HEAR AGENDA ITEM 11, FILE CM 23-79470.
4:22:28PM >>BRAD BAIRD: DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
4:22:34PM WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS,
4:22:36PM STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
4:22:39PM WE HAVE BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU BEFORE TO TALK ABOUT THIS
4:22:42PM PROJECT.
4:22:43PM I THINK WE HAVE WORKED ON MANY ISSUES AND HAVE RESOLVED A
4:22:49PM FEW ISSUES, AND MADE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO PROJECTS.
4:22:54PM TODAY WE ARE HERE TO SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT THE WORK AND
4:22:59PM THE PROGRESS AND THE SCHEDULE THROUGHOUT THIS, AND ALSO I
4:23:05PM WOULD LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE WORK ON CENTRAL AS
4:23:09PM WELL.
4:23:10PM AND I HAVE WITH ME JEFF NELSON WHO IS PRESIDENT OF NELSON
4:23:18PM CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, SO I WOULD LIKE HIM TO GO OVER THOSE
4:23:21PM DETAILS.
4:23:22PM I ALSO HAVE WITH ME MIKE TUCKER, CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION.
4:23:26PM WITH THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO JEFF.
4:23:28PM >> GOOD EVENING.
4:23:30PM JEFF NELSON, NELSON CONSTRUCTION.
4:23:33PM FOR THE WORK ON CREST, WE HAD ABOUT 3,600 FEET OF SANITARY
4:23:40PM SEWER IN PREPARATION TO INSTALL THE NEW LARGE STORM PIPE FOR
4:23:41PM THE STREET.
4:23:45PM UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN WE WENT TO INSTALL THE LARGE STORM PIPE,
4:23:47PM WE FOUND A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF UNSUITABLE MATERIAL UNDER
4:23:51PM THAT BOX CULVERT.
4:23:52PM THE REMOVAL OF THAT BOX CULVERT RESULTED IN SOME OF THAT
4:23:56PM SANITARY SEWER SETTLING AND MOVING, SO WE HAD TO GO BACK TO
4:24:00PM THE SEWER LINE.
4:24:01PM WE WERE ABLE TO REPAIR THE VAST MAJORITY OF IT, ABOUT 90
4:24:05PM PERCENT OF IT. THE LAST 10% WE FINALLY SAID WE ARE GOING TO
4:24:10PM RELAY THAT 3 OR 400 FEET OF PIPE.
4:24:13PM WE ARE CURRENTLY SCHEDULED TO PAVE NEXT FRIDAY.
4:24:15PM I BELIEVE OUR ORIGINAL SCHEDULE THAT WE GAVE THE CITY IN
4:24:18PM SPITE OF ALL THE UNSUITABLE MATERIALS, THE ORIGINAL
4:24:21PM PRECONSTRUCTION INDICATED US PAVING AT THE END OF LAST YEAR
4:24:25PM OR THE END OF JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.
4:24:27PM SO IN SPITE OF ALL, WE ARE STILL WITHIN THE ORIGINAL TARGET
4:24:31PM OF WHAT WE SAID BACK BEFORE THE FIRST SHOVELFUL OF DIRT.
4:24:37PM ALSO THE WORK ON FLORIDA AVENUE.
4:24:39PM PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION, WE MET WITH THE D.O.T., WE HAD VERY
4:24:43PM DETAILED INSTRUCTIONS ON WHAT THEY WANTED US TO BUILD ON
4:24:45PM THEIR ROADWAY.
4:24:46PM WE WENT OUT THERE AND BUILT, AND WE ENCOUNTERED SIGNIFICANT
4:24:50PM ADDITIONAL OLD PIPES THAT WE HAD TO REPLACE BEYOND THE
4:24:55PM ORIGINAL SCOPE.
4:24:56PM BUT I BELIEVE WE FINISHED WITHIN THE ORIGINAL TIME FRAME
4:24:59PM ALLOTTED.
4:25:00PM UNFORTUNATELY WHEN THE D.O.T. CAME OUT TO DO THEIR FINAL
4:25:02PM INSPECTION, THEY LOOKED AT WHAT THEY ASKED US TO BUILD AND
4:25:06PM DECIDED IT'S NOT WHAT THEY WANT.
4:25:08PM SO OUR ENGINEERS ARE NOW WORKING WITH D.O.T. TO MAKE SOME
4:25:11PM CHANGES TO THE CURBS AND INLETS, AND UNTIL WE GET THE ANSWER
4:25:14PM ON WHAT THEY WANT, WE ARE HESITANT TO PUT THAT ASPHALT DOWN
4:25:18PM BECAUSE WHATEVER WE PUT DOWN WILL PROBABLY GET MESSED UP.
4:25:20PM SO WE ARE IN THAT POSITION WITH FDOT.
4:25:24PM ON CARACAS AND CENTRAL AVENUE, WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A
4:25:30PM HICCUP.
4:25:31PM WE HAD SOME EQUIPMENT GET VANDALIZED. IT'S THE MOST
4:25:32PM DIFFICULT PIPE WE HAVE ON THE ENTIRE JOB.
4:25:35PM WE ONLY HAD ACCESS FROM ONE SIDE BECAUSE THE OTHER SIDE IS
4:25:38PM BLOCKED BY THE INTERSTATE.
4:25:39PM VERY NARROW RIGHT-OF-WAY.
4:25:40PM VERY DEEP CUTS.
4:25:41PM WE ENDED UP HAVING TO LAY THE PIPE BACKWARDS TO GET ACCESS
4:25:43PM WHICH WAS AN ACCESS ISSUE WHICH WAS VERY CHALLENGING.
4:25:47PM UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAD SOME VANDALISM TO SOME OF OUR
4:25:50PM EQUIPMENT ALONG THAT WAY, AND ONE OF OUR LASERS GOT
4:25:53PM VANDALIZED ALSO WHICH AFFECTS THE ALIGNMENTS AND THE
4:25:56PM CALIBRATION.
4:25:58PM WE HAD TO GO BACK AND WORK WITH THE CITY.
4:26:00PM WE DISCOVERED THAT BACK IN SEPTEMBER.
4:26:01PM WE WORKED WITH THE CITY TO SEE WHAT WE COULD SALVAGE.
4:26:04PM WE ARE STILL IN DISCUSSION TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT WE CAN
4:26:08PM SALVAGE.
4:26:14PM SO WE ARE RELAYING WHAT WE NEED TO LAY AND WE ARE WORKING
4:26:17PM WITH WHAT WE CAN SALVAGE.
4:26:19PM UNFORTUNATELY, AGAIN BECAUSE OF THE TYPE NATURE OF THAT
4:26:21PM PARTICULAR RIGHT-OF-WAY, IT'S GOING TO BE TIME CONSUMING.
4:26:24PM WE GOT FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS ABOUT THE NOISE, THE
4:26:28PM CLANGING, THE WORK LIKE THAT.
4:26:30PM SO WE SHIPPED OUT TRENCH BOXES AND ARE GOING TO BURY THEM
4:26:35PM AND LEAVE THEM IN PLACE AND TRY TO DO LESS INTRUSIVE
4:26:38PM INSTALLATION.
4:26:38PM IT MAY TAKE A LITTLE LONGER BUT IT WON'T BE AS NOISY AND
4:26:43PM CLANGY AS BEHIND US, AND ONCE WE GET OUT TO CENTRAL, THERE'S
4:26:47PM ABOUT FOUR JOINTS OF PIPING, WE CAN'T TAKE THOSE UP UNTIL WE
4:26:52PM GET OUT OF CARACAS. IT WILL BLOCK OUR ACCESS.
4:26:57PM AGAIN, IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT, NARROW WORK.
4:26:59PM OUR EXPECTATION IS WE SHOULD BE DONE WITH THE PIPE WORK ON
4:27:03PM CARACAS MID MARCH, TURN ONTO CENTRAL, AND START CLEANING OUT
4:27:11PM OF THERE LATE APRIL, EARLY MAY.
4:27:14PM THAT'S OUR PLAN.
4:27:14PM WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED LAYING PIPE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE
4:27:17PM INTERSTATE HEADING TOWARDS NEBRASKA BUT WE CAN ONLY GO SO
4:27:20PM FAR SO WE ARE NEED CENTRAL AS A DETOUR, SO WE ARE GOING TO
4:27:23PM GET CENTRAL CLEANED UP AND GET OUT OF THERE.
4:27:25PM OUR PLAN WAS WE WERE ALMOST OUT OF THAT WHOLE AREA BY
4:27:28PM DECEMBER 31st.
4:27:30PM THAT WAS OUR PLAN.
4:27:31PM AND THEN IT CAME TO THE POINT WE DIDN'T THINK -- WE DIDN'T
4:27:33PM WANT TO SELL THE CITY PIPE THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT, AND THERE
4:27:38PM MIGHT BE A MAINTENANCE ISSUE DOWN THE ROAD.
4:27:39PM SO WE ARE GOING TO TEAR THAT PIPE UP AND MAKE IT RIGHT. SO
4:27:43PM WE ARE MAKING IT RIGHT.
4:27:43PM SO THE EXPECTATION IS HOPEFULLY WE CAN MEET THOSE BUT WE ARE
4:27:46PM TRYING TO BE REALISTIC BUT STILL PUSHING OUR GUYS TO TRY TO
4:27:48PM MEET THOSE GOALS, AND GET OUT OF THIS PROJECT IN SIX MONTHS
4:27:49PM OVERALL.
4:27:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU FOR THAT UPDATE.
4:27:59PM I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
4:28:00PM SO STARTING WITH THE EAST CARACAS, AND I DO UNDERSTAND IT'S
4:28:06PM OUT OF ALIGNMENT.
4:28:07PM AND VERY NARROW STREET, THE RESIDENTS ARE REALLY FRUSTRATED.
4:28:12PM THEY ARE OVER IT.
4:28:13PM BUT THEIR BIGGEST CONCERN WAS HOW DID THIS HAPPEN?
4:28:16PM IT SOUNDS LIKE THE LASER WAS UNDONE, BUT HOW DO WE PREVENT
4:28:20PM THAT IN THE FUTURE AS THIS PROJECT CONTINUES?
4:28:22PM HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT AS WE ARE LAYING EVERYTHING IS
4:28:28PM WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE PUT?
4:28:29PM >> WE HAVE ONLY HAD THIS HAPPEN ONCE IN 47 YEARS OF LAYING
4:28:32PM PIPE FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
4:28:33PM IT'S THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS HAPPENED TO US.
4:28:35PM WE HAVE REACHED OUT, SEVERAL PIECES ON THAT PARTICULAR ROAD
4:28:40PM THAT GOT VANDALIZED.
4:28:42PM IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO KNOCK A LASER OUT OF CALIBRATION.
4:28:46PM SO WE CHECKED THAT.
4:28:49PM THEY ARE ROUTINELY CALIBRATED.
4:28:51PM AND IT WAS JUST A COUPLE MONTHS PRIOR TO US STARTING THERE
4:28:55PM BUT IT GOT KICKED, IT GOT KNOCKED OVER, SOMETHING HAPPENED
4:28:58PM TO IT.
4:28:58PM WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO IT.
4:29:00PM THESE THINGS HAPPEN.
4:29:01PM UNFORTUNATELY, IT HAPPENED ON THE WORST PIPE ON THIS ENTIRE
4:29:05PM JOB.
4:29:05PM AND WE LAID THOUSANDS OF FEET OF THIS VERY LARGE PIPE.
4:29:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AND WHO IS PAYING FOR THIS ADDITIONAL WORK?
4:29:15PM >> WE HAVE GOT THE MONEY IN OUR CONTINGENCY.
4:29:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I ALSO WANTED TO GO DOWN TO THE FDOT.
4:29:24PM SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT FDOT TOLD YOU THEY WANTED ONE
4:29:28PM THING, YOU PUT IT IN, AND IT'S LIKE, OH, NEVER MIND.
4:29:31PM >> WE MET WITH FDOT.
4:29:34PM WE HAD A SET OF PLANS, REVIEWED, HAD TO GET A PERMIT FOR
4:29:38PM THAT WORK.
4:29:40PM THEY ADDED SEVERAL ITEMS OF WORK THAT WE GLADLY
4:29:42PM INCORPORATED.
4:29:43PM WE PARTNERED WITH THEM.
4:29:45PM THEN WHEN THEY CAME OUT TO DO THE FINAL INSPECTION, THEY
4:29:48PM SAID, OH, THOSE DON'T WORK FOR US.
4:29:51PM OKAY, WELL TELL US WHAT YOU WANT.
4:29:53PM WE WILL BE HAPPY TO DO IT BUT WE CAN'T WRAP UP FLORIDA UNTIL
4:29:55PM THEY TELL US WHAT THEY WANT ON THEIR ROADWAY.
4:29:58PM SO WE ARE ACTIVELY ENGAGED WITH THEM.
4:30:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ARE THEY TAKING THAT COST?
4:30:04PM >> THAT HAS NOT BEEN DECIDED JUST YET.
4:30:06PM I AM NOT SURE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
4:30:09PM WE HAVE CONTINGENCY MONEY IN OUR BUDGET, BUT AGAIN IT WOULD
4:30:12PM HAVE BEEN NICE IF D.O.T. TOLD US WHAT THEY WANTED THE FIRST
4:30:16PM TIME.
4:30:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AND I AM SORRY FOR ASKING BECAUSE I DON'T
4:30:18PM THINK IT'S SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IF THEY GOT IT
4:30:24PM WRONG.
4:30:24PM YOU DIDN'T GET IT WRONG.
4:30:27PM WITH THE SPECS AND EVERYTHING.
4:30:30PM SO I WOULD LOVE AN UPDATE IN THE FUTURE ON THE COST.
4:30:33PM IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE ON YOUR TIMELINE FOR JANUARY.
4:30:39PM I DO KNOW THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE STARTING THE OTHER SIDE
4:30:43PM OF CENTRAL, THE OTHER SIDE OF HILLSBOROUGH, WORKING ON
4:30:46PM CENTRAL.
4:30:47PM WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE STARTING THAT?
4:30:50PM >> OUR GOAL IS TO BE UP THERE COME MARCH BUT WE NEED TO
4:30:55PM FOCUS ON GETTING THAT WRAPPED UP, PAVED AND OUT OF THERE SO
4:30:57PM WE CAN OPEN IT TO TRAFFIC BEFORE WE GO NORTH.
4:31:00PM OUR IMPETUS IS ON GETTING THAT -- THAT'S THE KEY TO THE
4:31:04PM WHOLE JOB IS MOVING THAT ALONG.
4:31:06PM WE GAINED SOME TIME ON THE SCHEDULE.
4:31:08PM WE ARE GETTING A LITTLE BIT OF IT BACK.
4:31:10PM I THINK WE ARE GOING TO BE BETTER THAN WE ORIGINALLY
4:31:13PM EXPECTED, BUT --
4:31:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM GOING TO REQUEST A COMMUNITY MEETING
4:31:20PM BEFORE YOU START THAT NEW SECTION, MAYBE A MONTH AHEAD OF
4:31:23PM TIME, SO FOLKS ARE AWARE.
4:31:26PM >> ABSOLUTELY.
4:31:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AND I'M SORRY TO TAKE THIS.
4:31:31PM THESE ARE LITERALLY THE QUESTIONS THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE
4:31:33PM SENT TO ME SO I AM TRYING TO MAKE SURE I READ EACH ONE.
4:31:36PM I DID GET AN E-MAIL FROM ANOTHER HOMEOWNER AT THE CORNER OF
4:31:40PM HIGHLAND AND -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A HOMEOWNER BUT THEY
4:31:44PM ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, THE CORNER, THE INLET.
4:31:46PM I BELIEVE THEY ARE CONCERNED THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT, AND
4:31:51PM THIS PERSON MAY HAVE AN ISSUE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE INLET IS
4:31:56PM CONSIDERABLY HIGHER THAN THE PAVEMENT, BUT I KNOW IT HASN'T
4:31:59PM BEEN PAVED COMPLETELY YET.
4:32:02PM AND I BELIEVE IT'S THE SOUTHWESTERN CORNER.
4:32:05PM BUT JUST TAKE ANOTHER LOOK, DOUBLE CHECK, MAKE SURE IT'S THE
4:32:08PM CORRECT HEIGHT, BECAUSE IF WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM IN THAT AREA
4:32:11PM OVERALL ABOUT GETTING WATER IN THE STORM DRAINS --
4:32:16PM >> ONE OF MY GUESS SAID IT'S ALL GOING TO COME UP THERE.
4:32:21PM BUT I WILL DOUBLE CHECK.
4:32:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WOULD APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE THE HEIGHT IN
4:32:25PM THE PHOTOGRAPH I WAS -- YEAH, SO YOU HAD THE SAME FEELING,
4:32:29PM THEN LET'S GET THAT DONE BEFORE WE PAVE.
4:32:32PM AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE
4:32:36PM NEIGHBORHOOD REALLY WANTS FROM THE STAKEHOLDERS IN THAT
4:32:39PM PARTICULAR PART OF THE COMMUNITY, IS POSSIBLY SOME MONTHLY
4:32:46PM UPDATES, BECAUSE AS WE HAVE THIS UPDATE, AND THEN WE LET IT
4:32:52PM GO, WE KEEP COMING BACK HERE.
4:32:56PM I AM GOING TO HATE TO DO THIS, BUT I FEEL LIKE IF WE HAVE AN
4:33:02PM UPDATE ONCE A MONTH TO KIND OF MAKE SURE WE ARE ON THE RIGHT
4:33:06PM TASK, AGAIN ACCOUNTABILITY WITH THE PUBLIC, AND WITH
4:33:12PM COMMUNICATIONS, I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY BENEFICIAL.
4:33:16PM >> CLARIFICATION, UPDATE TO CITY COUNCIL?
4:33:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AND IF IT'S FINE IF YOU ARE OUT OF TOWN TO
4:33:27PM JOIN US BY ZOOM OR WHATEVER.
4:33:28PM THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
4:33:29PM BUT UNTIL WE GET A BETTER HANDLE ON IT, THAT IS WHAT THE
4:33:32PM COMMUNITY IS ASKING FOR, FOR THE ACCOUNTABILITY.
4:33:38PM >> OKAY, THANK YOU.
4:33:39PM >>BRAD BAIRD: I DO HAVE ONE CLARIFICATION TO YOUR VERY
4:33:43PM FIRST QUESTION.
4:33:44PM AT LEAST SOME OF THOSE PERSONNEL WERE LET GO SO IT WON'T
4:33:51PM HAPPEN AGAIN AND ONE OF THE VERY BEST CREWS WAS PUT ON THAT.
4:33:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
4:33:59PM AND I KNOW COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO HAS FURTHER QUESTIONS.
4:34:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:34:07PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK REALLY GOT TO THE QUESTIONS AND I HAVE
4:34:10PM NOTHING FURTHER BECAUSE I THINK IT TOUCHED ON EVERYTHING.
4:34:13PM WE HAD A LOT OF THE SAME COMMUNICATIONS BECAUSE I REPRESENT
4:34:15PM THE DISTRICT.
4:34:16PM SHE'S CITY-WIDE.
4:34:17PM BUT SHE ALSO LIVES NEAR THERE.
4:34:21PM SO SHE SEES IT DAILY.
4:34:24PM I AM THROUGH THERE AT LEAST EVERY OTHER DAY.
4:34:26PM I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS THAT LIVE THERE, ESPECIALLY ON
4:34:29PM CARACAS.
4:34:31PM RIGHT ON CENTRAL, RIGHT OFF CENTRAL.
4:34:35PM I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU IT'S BEEN LIKE A WAR ZONE,
4:34:38PM ESSENTIALLY.
4:34:39PM AND THEN TALKING TO THE BUSINESSES ON FLORIDA AVENUE THAT
4:34:42PM HAVE BEEN AFFECTED, SHE AND I GET THE BRUNT OF IT AND WE TRY
4:34:45PM TO BE AS RESPONSIVE AS POSSIBLE.
4:34:47PM BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE RESPONDED ONE ON ONE TO THE CONSTITUENTS'
4:34:52PM CONCERNS.
4:34:58PM YOU HAVE BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE.
4:34:59PM ANYTIME I HAVE AN ISSUE, YOU ONLY REACH THE PHONE.
4:35:04PM BUT WE GET BOMBARDED WITH QUESTIONS AND WE HAVE TO PUT
4:35:07PM OURSELVES IN THEIR SHOES.
4:35:08PM HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE DEALING WITH THIS.
4:35:09PM I UNDERSTAND.
4:35:10PM ONE DAY IT'S GOING TO BE DONE AND IT'S GOING TO KNOW
4:35:12PM BEAUTIFUL.
4:35:12PM BUT IN THE MEANTIME, I WANT TO THANK COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOR
4:35:16PM ASKING PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THAT I WANTED TO ASK AND THANK
4:35:18PM YOU FOR BEING HERE.
4:35:19PM IS IT YOUR FATHER THAT STARTED THE COMPANY?
4:35:22PM >> WE BUILT THE LOWRY PARK ZOO.
4:35:27PM WE ALSO BUILT BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
4:35:29PM WE HAD A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR 48 YEARS
4:35:34PM NOW.
4:35:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHO IS DAVID NELSON?
4:35:36PM >> THAT'S MY FATHER.
4:35:37PM IF YOU GUYS HAVE A QUESTION OR SOMETHING, JUST CALL ME.
4:35:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE APPRECIATE YOU SHOWING UP HERE IN
4:35:42PM PERSON.
4:35:42PM I THINK THAT SAYS A LOT.
4:35:44PM >> WE HAVE BEEN PART OF THIS COMMUNITY FOREVER.
4:35:49PM SO PLEASE JUST CALL ME.
4:35:54PM DOESN'T HESITATE TO CALL ME.
4:35:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO MY MOTION IS GOING TO BE --
4:36:00PM >> COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
4:36:02PM I STILL HAVE A STATEMENT.
4:36:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THIS TO
4:36:07PM COME BACK FEBRUARY 16th.
4:36:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
4:36:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHEN I HAD GONE TO AN OLD SEMINOLE HEIGHTS
4:36:21PM MEETING AT THE CHURCH, THEIR NUMBER ONE CONCERN WAS THE
4:36:28PM QUEUE TO HILLSBOROUGH HIGH SCHOOL.
4:36:30PM HAS THAT BEEN ALLEVIATED?
4:36:32PM >> I BELIEVE SO.
4:36:35PM I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT.
4:36:37PM WE HAVE MET WITH THE CITIZENS.
4:36:41PM I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY -- SO IF WE MISSED SOMETHING, PLEASE
4:36:47PM LET ME KNOW.
4:36:49PM WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY COMPLAINTS.
4:36:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ON SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, YOU HAVE A MOTION,
4:36:56PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
4:36:58PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
4:37:00PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
4:37:01PM IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
4:37:03PM MOTION CARRIES.
4:37:05PM THANK YOU.
4:37:08PM MS. DUNCAN.
4:37:13PM AGENDA 12, CMU-77480 TOGETHER WITH CM 22-78779.
4:37:27PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: ADMINISTRATOR FOR INFRASTRUCTURE MOBILITY.
4:37:30PM WE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST IF IT'S THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL TO
4:37:34PM HAVE THE ORDER OF 27 AND 28 WHICH ARE TIED TOGETHER
4:37:37PM REGARDING THE SIX PILOT PROJECT GRANT, AND THEN WE WOULD DO
4:37:42PM NUMBER 12 AND NUMBER 13, IF THAT'S OKAY.
4:37:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT IS FINE AT YOUR REQUEST.
4:37:53PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: AND I WOULD ASK OUR DIRECTOR CHUCK WEBER TO
4:37:55PM COME SPEAK ON 27 AND 28.
4:37:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: 27, EW 23-78765, AND FILE AGENDA 28, PW
4:38:08PM 23-78769.
4:38:11PM >>CHUCK WEBER: WATER DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR.
4:38:21PM THESE ITEMS ARE RELATED TO A SUSPENDED EXCHANGE PILOT THAT
4:38:27PM WAS ORIGINALLY CONCEIVED OF AND BEGAN WORK UNDER THE PURE
4:38:33PM PROJECT.
4:38:33PM THE WORK FOR THIS WAS APPROVED LAST FEBRUARY BY COUNCIL.
4:38:37PM SINCE THAT TIME, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD SOME CHANGES IN
4:38:42PM HOW WE ARE APPROACHING PURE, BUT ALSO THE STATE APPROPRIATED
4:38:47PM A MILLION DOLLAR GRANT TO DO THIS PILOT.
4:38:49PM AND I WANTED TO POINT OUT SOME IMPORTANT ASPECTS OF THIS
4:38:54PM PILOT.
4:38:55PM IT GOES BEYOND WHETHER OR NOT WE EVER DECIDE TO DO A REUSE
4:39:01PM PROJECT.
4:39:01PM THIS PILOT IS GOING TO LOOK AT THE EFFECTIVENESS OF REMOVING
4:39:05PM NITROGEN AND PHOSPHORUS AS WELL AS CHEMICALS LIKE PFAS AND
4:39:10PM PFOA FROM THE HOWARD CURREN, AND THAT'S RELEVANT TO REDUCING
4:39:18PM NUTRIENT LOADING INTO THE BAY, AS WELL AS WATER REUSE, SO
4:39:21PM THERE IS A HUGE BENEFIT IN GARNERING THIS INFORMATION.
4:39:24PM WE HAVE SUPPORT FROM NEIGHBORING UTILITIES WHO ARE ALSO
4:39:27PM USING THIS TECHNOLOGY.
4:39:28PM TAMPA BAY WATER INCLUDED A LETTER THAT WAS IN THE AGENDA
4:39:31PM PACKET SUPPORTING THIS.
4:39:34PM SO THERE IS A LOT OF BENEFIT TO MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS
4:39:37PM PILOT TO GET THAT INFORMATION. THE TIME FRAME IS RELATIVELY
4:39:42PM SHORT. IT'S A SIX MONTH PILOT WHEN WE COULD HAVE THIS
4:39:45PM VALUABLE INFORMATION WITHIN THE AUGUST-SEPTEMBER TIME FRAME.
4:39:49PM SO THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION TO BE GAINED BY THE BENEFIT,
4:39:53PM ZERO COST TO THE CITY.
4:39:54PM WE ARE EXPECTING THE PILOT TO COME IN AROUND $750,000 AND
4:40:00PM THE GRANT WAS FOR A MILLION DOLLARS.
4:40:02PM AND WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE VINNY HART, THE
4:40:08PM EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT OF CAROLLO ENGINEERING, AND HE HAS
4:40:12PM BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROCESS WITH US AT THE TIPPIN PLANT,
4:40:15PM AND JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THE
4:40:19PM EXPERT ON SUSPENDED ION EXCHANGE HERE IN THE UNITED STATES,
4:40:22PM IN CASE YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS.
4:40:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:40:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FIRST FOR
4:40:29PM YOU, BECAUSE I WANT IT VERY CLEAR AND REITERATE TO THE
4:40:33PM PUBLIC THAT THIS IS A GRANT, THIS IS NOT CITY MONEY, SO WE
4:40:38PM ARE NOT PUTTING ANY MORE MONEY INTO PURE THAT IS OURS.
4:40:41PM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
4:40:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE ARE TAKING A GRANT, AND TO SEE IF WE CAN
4:40:46PM GET OR HOW WELL WE CAN GET PFAS, PFOA AND NITROGENS AND
4:40:55PM OTHER ELEMENTS OUT OF THE WASTEWATER THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY
4:40:57PM PUTTING INTO THE BAY?
4:40:59PM >>CHUCK WEBER: THAT IS CORRECT.
4:41:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SOMEONE MENTIONED EARLIER THAT WE DON'T
4:41:03PM KNOW -- THAT ONE OF THE STAKEHOLDERS MENTIONED THAT WE
4:41:07PM CURRENTLY, IN THE INFORMATION THAT WAS GIVEN TO THEM, THAT
4:41:14PM WE DON'T -- WE STILL DON'T HAVE THE DATA ABOUT WHAT IS
4:41:20PM ACTUALLY IN THAT WASTEWATER.
4:41:22PM IS THAT TRUE?
4:41:25PM HAS THAT INFORMATION BEEN SHARED?
4:41:27PM >>CHUCK WEBER: THAT IS INCORRECT.
4:41:28PM THE INFORMATION HAS BEEN SHARED ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO WITH
4:41:31PM NANCY STEVENS AT THE SIERRA CLUB.
4:41:33PM SHE RESPONDED IN E-MAIL THAT SHE RECEIVED THE INFORMATION.
4:41:36PM THEY HAVE IT.
4:41:38PM THERE ARE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT INFORMATION.
4:41:40PM THAT INFORMATION STUDY STEMMED FROM STUDIES THAT WERE DONE
4:41:43PM UNDER THE TAP PROJECT, BUT WE DID ANALYZE OVER 100 DIFFERENT
4:41:50PM COMPOUNDS INCLUDING CHEMICALS THAT AREN'T REGULATED,
4:41:53PM PHARMACEUTICALS, PFAS AND PFOA, AND WE RAN THOUSANDS OF
4:42:02PM SAMPLES AGAINST THOSE HUNDREDS OF CONTAMINANTS.
4:42:03PM THAT INFORMATION WAS ALSO VETTED OVER A YEAR AGO BY THE
4:42:07PM NATIONAL RESOURCE INSTITUTE WHEN WE ENGAGED THEM AT THE
4:42:10PM REQUEST OF COUNCIL AND THE STAKEHOLDERS TO REVIEW THE
4:42:14PM SCIENTIFIC INFORMATION BEHIND THE SAMPLES.
4:42:16PM SO THAT INFORMATION HAS BEEN OUT THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME
4:42:20PM AND THOROUGHLY VETTED.
4:42:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT DATA IS TWO YEARS
4:42:24PM OLD?
4:42:27PM >>CHUCK WEBER: IT WOULD BE OLDER THAN THAT.
4:42:28PM IT WOULD BE THREE TO FOUR YEARS OLD.
4:42:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO MY QUESTION IS GOING TO BE IF WE ARE
4:42:33PM STARTING THIS GRANT THROUGH THIS WATER QUALITY TREATMENT,
4:42:36PM WON'T WE NEED TO HAVE A BASELINE NUMBER OF EVERYTHING THAT'S
4:42:40PM BEING -- THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE BEFORE WE CAN SAY WE ARE --
4:42:45PM BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANYTHING TO MEASURE.
4:42:47PM SO I AM ASKING, MY QUESTION IS, IS THE FIRST PART OF THIS
4:42:50PM GRANT GOING TO BE DOING THAT BASELINE TESTING?
4:42:55PM >>CHUCK WEBER: IT WILL MEASURE THE CHEMICALS THAT ARE
4:42:59PM IN EFFLUENT, AND THEN IT WILL GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND IT
4:43:02PM WILL MEASURE WHAT'S LEFT OVER.
4:43:04PM SO IT WILL DIRECTLY ANSWER THE QUESTION, WHAT'S IN THERE TO
4:43:06PM BEGIN WITH?
4:43:07PM HOW MUCH IS REMOVED?
4:43:09PM WHAT'S LEFT IN THE FINAL EFFLUENT AFTER THE PROCESS?
4:43:14PM AND IT'S BEEN ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THE STAKEHOLDERS
4:43:18PM WILL HELP ANSWER.
4:43:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SORRY, JUST ONE MORE QUESTION FOR THE
4:43:22PM GENTLEMAN WHO DOES THIS PROCESS.
4:43:25PM HOW QUICKLY OR HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR -- I DON'T KNOW HOW
4:43:31PM YOU DO THIS, BY THE GALLON, IT CAN'T BE BY THE GALLON, THAT
4:43:34PM WOULD TAKE FOREVER, BUT BY THE THOUSANDS OF GALLONS, HOWEVER
4:43:37PM YOU DO THIS, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE THE WATER TO GO FROM
4:43:41PM POINT A TO POINT B TO BEING CLEAN?
4:43:44PM >> THROUGH THE PROCESS IT'S FAIRLY FAST.
4:43:46PM IT'S ABOUT A 20 MINUTE CONTENT TIME, AND THEN IT SETTLES IN
4:43:51PM A FEW MINUTES.
4:43:53PM NOW, WHEN WE MAKE CHANGES TO THE PROCESS, IT TAKES ABOUT 30,
4:43:58PM WE CALL IT BED VOLUMES, TO REGENERATE BEFORE IT GETS BACK,
4:44:03PM SO ONCE YOU MAKE A CHANGE IT MIGHT TAKE TWO DAYS BEFORE WE
4:44:06PM ARE CONFIDENT IN THOSE RESULTS.
4:44:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
4:44:10PM >> COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I SAW YOUR HAND.
4:44:12PM >>BILL CARLSON: AND IT'S JUST A STATEMENT, NOT A QUESTION.
4:44:15PM IT'S INTERESTING THAT WE CHANGE THE ORDER SO WE DIDN'T GET
4:44:18PM THROUGH NUMBER 13.
4:44:21PM NUMBER 13, WE'LL GET TO THAT ONE IN A MINUTE BUT IT CLEARLY
4:44:25PM SHOWS THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION WANTS TOILET TO TAP, PURE
4:44:29PM TAP, WHATEVER THEY WANT TO CALL IT, AT ALL COST.
4:44:32PM AND THIS IS PART OF DEATH BY A THOUSAND PAPER CUTS.
4:44:36PM JUST TO PROVE THIS, IT'S ONLY A MILLION DOLLARS, IT'S NOT
4:44:39PM OUR MONEY, WE GOT IT FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
4:44:41PM THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT -- AND THEN IN THE PRIOR
4:44:44PM CONVERSATIONS SAID, OH, LOOK, SINGAPORE DOES THIS AND ISRAEL
4:44:49PM DOES IT, AND IN THE EXACT CONFIGURATION AS HAS BEEN PROPOSED
4:44:53PM BY THIS ENGINEERING FIRM, IT IS AN EXPERIMENTAL SYSTEM.
4:45:02PM THIS IS PAYING FOR R AND D.
4:45:04PM SIERRA CLUB AND OTHERS, HOPEFULLY YOU ALL TALKED TO WATER
4:45:08PM ENGINEERS FOR THE CITY.
4:45:11PM REVERSE OSMOSIS.
4:45:12PM I THINK IT WAS NOT THESE CONSULTANTS.
4:45:14PM OTHERS SAID IT WAS NOT REVERSE OSMOSIS.
4:45:17PM THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN PUSHING US
4:45:22PM TO A PATH TO EVENTUALLY APPROVE A PROJECT THE PUBLIC DOESN'T
4:45:26PM WANT AND WE DON'T NEED AND WE ARE GOING TO BE THE GUINEA
4:45:28PM PIGS IN EXPERIMENTING WITH SOME OF THE DIFFERENT -- I AM
4:45:32PM GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS.
4:45:33PM I HOPE MY COLLEAGUES WILL.
4:45:35PM THERE'S NO REASON TO VOTE FOR IT.
4:45:37PM THE PUBLIC WILL SEE IT AS A VOTE IN FAVOR OF PURE BECAUSE
4:45:41PM THEY WILL COME BACK WITH A NEW NAME, AND I AM NOT -- BECAUSE
4:45:46PM I DON'T TRUST THE ENGINEERING FIRMS THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED
4:45:49PM IN THIS BEFORE, IN PARTICULAR, BUT THE INFORMATION THAT HAS
4:45:51PM BEEN GIVEN BY CAROLLO -- I AM NOT VOTING FOR ANY CONTRACTS
4:45:54PM THAT ARE PRESENTED THAT HAS CAROLLO OR PCL CONNECTED TO THIS
4:45:58PM PROJECT AGAIN.
4:45:58PM THANK YOU.
4:46:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. WEBER.
4:46:03PM >>CHUCK WEBER: I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE, THIS STARTED OUT
4:46:06PM AS SOMETHING UNDER PURE.
4:46:08PM BUT IT HAS VALUE WELL BEYOND THAT.
4:46:11PM THAT VALUE IS LOOKING AT NUTRIENT INTRODUCTION INTO THE BAY.
4:46:14PM IT'S ALSO LOOKING AT PFAS AND REMOVAL OF IMPORTANT THINGS
4:46:18PM THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT.
4:46:20PM AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT RO IS
4:46:23PM DEFINITELY A TECHNOLOGY WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT.
4:46:26PM BUT IT IS NOT THE ONLY TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE.
4:46:29PM IT'S NOT MOST ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY TECHNOLOGY.
4:46:33PM AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE THE WAY STRENGTH FROM RO IS, WHAT IS IT,
4:46:40PM 20 --
4:46:42PM >>BILL CARLSON: I DIDN'T REALLY ASK A QUESTION.
4:46:44PM I CAN SIT HERE AND HAVE AN ARGUMENT ABOUT RO IF YOU LIKE --
4:46:48PM >> COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ARE YOU FINISHED WITH YOUR STATEMENT?
4:46:53PM >> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GIVE HIM AN CHANCE TO SPEAK TO THE
4:46:57PM CREDIBILITY OF CAROLLO.
4:46:58PM I THINK THAT'S AN INACCURATE AND INAPPROPRIATE STATEMENT TO
4:47:00PM SAY THAT THEY CAN'T BE TRUSTED.
4:47:01PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHETHER IT'S AT THE DIRECTION OF
4:47:03PM ADMINISTRATION OR THEIR OWN IDEAS, THEY HAVE BEEN PUSHING
4:47:05PM IDEAS THAT THIS PUBLIC DOESN'T WANT, AND THEY HAVE BEEN
4:47:08PM PUSHING METHODS WITHOUT -- YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING IF YOU
4:47:12PM WANT TO PUSH A CERTAIN TECHNOLOGY, BUT I AM NOT ADVOCATING
4:47:15PM FOR REVERSE OSMOSIS EVEN. I'M NOT PUSHING FOR ANY.
4:47:19PM I WANT AN OBJECTIVE EVALUATION.
4:47:21PM I HAVE BEEN HERE THREE AND A HALF YEARS AND WE DON'T HAVE AN
4:47:23PM EFFECTIVE EVALUATION.
4:47:24PM EXCUSE ME.
4:47:25PM WE GAVE MONEY TWICE BUT WE DIDN'T GET IT.
4:47:28PM SOMEHOW WE NEED TO GET AN OBJECTIVE ANALYSIS OF THIS SO THAT
4:47:32PM THE PUBLIC CAN LOOK AT IT.
4:47:33PM I JUST WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT.
4:47:35PM I'M HAPPY THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO VOTE FOR IT, YOU CAN.
4:47:39PM IF YOU SPEAK I WOULD LIKE TO REBUT IT.
4:47:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE ALL HAVE ONE VOTE.
4:47:44PM AND I THINK IT MIGHT BE MORE OF A CONCERN IF YOU HAVE A TOWN
4:47:46PM HALL MEETING.
4:47:47PM WE ARE HERE TO VOTE ON THIS UP OR DOWN, ONE WAY OR THE
4:47:50PM OTHER.
4:47:50PM YOU MADE YOUR STATEMENT, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
4:47:53PM >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T NEED A TOWN HALL MEETING ON IT.
4:47:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU MADE YOUR STATEMENT.
4:47:59PM I HAVE A QUESTION.
4:47:59PM AND YOU TOUCHED ON IT.
4:48:04PM REVERSE OSMOSIS HAS A BY-PRODUCT.
4:48:06PM THIS TREATMENT THAT YOU ARE PRESENTING TO US, WHAT IS THE
4:48:09PM OFFSET OF THE BY-PRODUCT?
4:48:17PM REVERSE OSMOSIS, LET'S HYPOTHETICALLY SAY, REVERSE OSMOSIS
4:48:19PM PRODUCES 10%.
4:48:21PM WHAT WOULD YOURS PRESENT?
4:48:25PM >> ONE PERCENT.
4:48:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SO WE ARE REDUCING A BY-PRODUCT THAT BY THE
4:48:30PM OLD PURE PLAN, IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE
4:48:35PM DEEP WELL INJECTING. I'M AGAIN DEEP WELL INJECTION.
4:48:39PM THIS 1% BY-PRODUCT THAT YOUR PLAN IS PROPOSING, CAN THAT BE
4:48:47PM DEALT WITH IN A WAY WHERE IT COULD BE REDUCED ON ITS OWN?
4:48:53PM >> THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO ADDRESS THAT
4:48:56PM BY-PRODUCT.
4:48:57PM THE FACT THAT IT'S TEN TIMES LESS MAKES IT THAT MUCH EASIER.
4:49:03PM >> I GET THAT.
4:49:04PM BUT IF YOU COULD LOOK AT ME AND SAY YES, IN THE FUTURE,
4:49:07PM SOMETHING THAT MAY EVEN TAKE THAT 1% AND MAKE THAT
4:49:09PM DISAPPEAR?
4:49:12PM JUST BY THE 10% REDUCTION, I AM GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS.
4:49:17PM IT'S GRANT MONEY.
4:49:18PM IT'S NOT COMING OUT OF OUR GENERAL FUND.
4:49:20PM BUT IF YOU CAN EVEN SAY, THAT 1% OR THAT WILL GO AWAY, ALSO.
4:49:26PM >> WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE ORIGINAL PILOT, WHICH IS A SLIGHTLY
4:49:32PM DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGY, WE LOOKED AT THE IDEA OF TAKING THAT
4:49:34PM BRINE CONCENTRATE AND GIVING IT TO COMPANIES THAT SPECIALIZE
4:49:39PM IN ORGANICS AND FERTILIZER, THAT WOULD BE A PATH THAT WE
4:49:44PM COULD GO DOWN WITH THIS MINIMAL BRINE STREAM, VERY SIMILAR.
4:49:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERS.
4:49:51PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:49:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM APPROVING THIS BECAUSE I ALSO SIT ON
4:49:55PM THE TAMPA BAY ESTUARY BOARD, AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE HEARING
4:49:59PM THAT THERE'S TOO MUCH NITROGEN GOING INTO THE BAY.
4:50:03PM SO MY INTEREST IS NOT IN DEEP WELL INJECTION BECAUSE THAT'S
4:50:07PM NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IF I HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT.
4:50:10PM BUT THIS, TREATING OUR WASTEWATER THAT IS CURRENTLY GOING
4:50:16PM INTO THE BAY, SO IT DOES HAVE LESS NUTRIENTS AND THEN LESS
4:50:22PM PLASTIC, IS SOMETHING THAT I AM IN FAVOR OF, BECAUSE IT'S
4:50:25PM SOMETHING, I AM HOPING THAT WE REDUCE IT ENOUGH THAT THE
4:50:29PM STATE WILL ALLOW US TO CONTINUE TO DO SO BECAUSE IT IS
4:50:31PM BENEFICIAL TO THE BAY.
4:50:32PM SO MY GOAL WITH THIS IS SIMPLY TO SEE IF WE CAN REDUCE THE
4:50:37PM NUTRIENTS SO THAT THE BAY RECEIVES FEWER NUTRIENTS.
4:50:41PM THAT IS MY BIGGEST CONCERN. OUR SEAWEED, SEAGRASSES ARE
4:50:49PM DYING AT AN ALARMING RATE, AND UNLESS WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT
4:50:53PM IT, IT'S GOING TO GET MUCH, MUCH WORSE, AND THIS MANATEE
4:50:57PM SEASON HAS NOT BEEN BETTER THAN LAST MANATEE SEASON, SO I AM
4:51:01PM LOOKING FOR ANY WAY TO REDUCE NUTRIENTS GOING INTO THE BAY.
4:51:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
4:51:08PM I AGREE WITH YOU, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:51:14PM BUT THIS IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG.
4:51:20PM OUR STORMWATER RUNOFF CREATES A HECK OF A LOT MORE PROBLEMS.
4:51:23PM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE BE ABLE TO FIND WAY TO CLEAN THAT WATER
4:51:25PM BEFORE IT GOES BACK OUT TO THE BAY.
4:51:28PM AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THINK ABOUT HAVING A PROGRAM BY THE
4:51:31PM CITY OF TAMPA FOR SEAGRASS MAINTENANCE WHERE WE CAN GO
4:51:37PM WITHIN OUR OWN WATERS AND HAVE GREAT COMPANIES OUT THERE
4:51:40PM THAT PLANT SEAGRASSES.
4:51:43PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING?
4:51:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:51:48PM I HAVE NEVER MET YOU BEFORE, I DON'T BELIEVE.
4:51:50PM I KNOW YOU HAVE BUSINESS AND I BELIEVE YOU ALSO REPRESENT
4:51:56PM TAMPA BAY WATER ON AND OFF.
4:51:57PM I HAVE SEEN YOUR NAME ON AGENDAS.
4:52:00PM I CAN SAY THIS.
4:52:01PM EVEN REQUEST ALL THE -- HOW MANY ADVANCED TERTIARY TREATMENT
4:52:04PM PLANTS ARE IN THIS AREA?
4:52:06PM >> ADVANCED TERTIARY? I AM MORE OF A DRINKING WATER GUY
4:52:14PM THAN A WASTEWATER GUY.
4:52:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HOW MANY PLANTS DO WE HAVE IN THE AREA?
4:52:21PM >> A FEW BETWEEN THE CITY AND HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
4:52:23PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ONE OF THE LARGEST IS WHERE?
4:52:25PM >> OURS.
4:52:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: EVEN DOING THAT, AND BUMPING THAT WATER
4:52:31PM FOR YEARS, AND WE HAVE BROUGHT SOME OF THE AREA BACK TO
4:52:32PM NORMALITY, WHICH CHANGES ON A DAILY BASIS, YOU STILL DON'T
4:52:42PM PUT 370 TONS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT INTO THE BAY?
4:52:45PM CAN YOU IMAGINE THOSE WHO ARE DUMPING WITHOUT HAVING
4:52:46PM ADVANCED TERTIARY TREATMENT PLANTS?
4:52:49PM THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE HAVE.
4:52:52PM OTHERS MAY BE HERE DOING THE RIGHT THING, AND OTHERS ON THIS
4:52:54PM SIDE OR NOT. GUESS WHAT.
4:52:55PM YOU ARE NOT GAINING.
4:53:00PM IT'S STATUS QUO.
4:53:01PM THESE ARE THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT.
4:53:03PM SO I APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS THAT YOU ARE DOING.
4:53:07PM AND IT'S INCUMBENT UPON US TO CLEAR THE AIR.
4:53:12PM WE ARE KILLING OURSELVES.
4:53:14PM LOOK AT CALIFORNIA, WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE NOW.
4:53:16PM LOOK AT THE HURRICANES. THEY ARE GETTING STRONGER.
4:53:21PM GETTING TWO DEGREES HOTTER IN TAMPA, THIS YEAR THAN THE
4:53:25PM PREVIOUS YEAR.
4:53:25PM WHAT A NICE PLACE.
4:53:27PM IT'S THE WHOLE COUNTRY.
4:53:29PM IT'S THE WHOLE WORLD.
4:53:30PM WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO SOLVE OUR PROBLEM.
4:53:33PM AND THIS IS MAYBE A START IN A SMALL AREA.
4:53:37PM THANK YOU.
4:53:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. IF YOU WILL MOVE THE
4:53:40PM RESOLUTIONS ONE AT A TIME.
4:53:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I MOVE ITEM 27.
4:53:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOR AGENDA
4:53:50PM ITEM NUMBER 27, PW 23-78765 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
4:53:56PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
4:53:59PM ALL IN FAVOR?
4:54:01PM IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
4:54:09PM >> ROLL CALL VOTE.
4:54:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET'S TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE.
4:54:15PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
4:54:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
4:54:20PM >> BILL CARLSON: NO.
4:54:21PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
4:54:25PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
4:54:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
4:54:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
4:54:36PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIES WITH CARLSON AND MANISCALCO
4:54:41PM VOTING NO.
4:54:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I MOVE ITEM NUMBER 28, PW 23-78769.
4:54:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
4:54:52PM >>BILL CARLSON: ONE LAST COMMENT.
4:54:56PM AS IT SAYS HERE, THIS STARTED AS A PROJECT IN PURE.
4:55:00PM IT WAS NOT PRESENTED TO US AS A PROJECT FOR CLEANING
4:55:05PM ANYTHING ELSE.
4:55:06PM IT WAS PART OF THE PURE PROJECT.
4:55:07PM SO IT DESERVES TO BE VOTED DOWN.
4:55:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ROLL CALL VOTE.
4:55:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
4:55:17PM >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
4:55:20PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
4:55:23PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
4:55:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
4:55:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
4:55:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
4:55:29PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION PASSES WITH CARLSON AND MANISCALCO
4:55:33PM VOTING NO.
4:55:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
4:55:41PM MS. DUNCAN, I APOLOGIZE.
4:55:42PM COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU HAVE A STATEMENT YOU WOULD LIKE TO
4:55:45PM MAKE.
4:55:46PM >>LUIS VIERA: I APPRECIATE IT, IF I MAY.
4:55:48PM I DIDN'T THINK OF US GOING THIS LATE AND TODAY IS MY INTERIM
4:55:54PM AIDE'S LAST DAY.
4:55:55PM MATT, YOU WORE YOUR AWESOME GREEN SUIT.
4:55:59PM WE LOVE THAT.
4:56:01PM AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY, YOU ARE SUCH A GOOD DUDE, MATT.
4:56:08PM I LIKE YOU A LOT, MAN.
4:56:09PM YOU ARE FROM TEXAS, AND YOU GOT THAT GREAT TEXAS THING GOING
4:56:12PM ON.
4:56:14PM YOU REALLY, REALLY DO.
4:56:15PM YOU ARE A HARD WORKER.
4:56:16PM AND I JUST REALLY APPRECIATED YOUR WORK FOR THE CITY OF
4:56:19PM TAMPA.
4:56:20PM I THINK YOU ARE A GOOD GUY.
4:56:21PM YOU GOT GOOD VALUES.
4:56:23PM YOU ARE A HARD WORKER.
4:56:24PM AND YOU HAVE JUST REALLY IMPRESSED THE HECK OUT OF ME.
4:56:27PM AND WE'LL MISS YOU.
4:56:29PM AND I WISH THAT WE COULD HAVE TWO AIDES AND WHATNOT.
4:56:34PM BUT YOU JUST DO A GOOD JOB.
4:56:36PM >> AND SOME BUDGET INCREASES.
4:56:41PM >>LUIS VIERA: I KNOW.
4:56:49PM BUT DO JUST A GOOD JOB AND YOU ARE A HECK OF A HARD WORKER
4:56:53PM AND YOU REALLY GET ALONG WITH EVERYBODY HERE.
4:56:55PM YOU REALLY, REALLY DO.
4:56:57PM HOW OLD ARE YOU, 23?
4:56:59PM >> 24.
4:57:00PM >>LUIS VIERA: MAN, YOU ARE A KID.
4:57:02PM GOD BLESS YOU.
4:57:03PM THAT'S GREAT.
4:57:04PM BUT I WANTED TO -- WE CAN TAKE A PICTURE AFTERWARDS.
4:57:09PM BUT YOU ARE A GOOD GUY.
4:57:11PM AND I KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO STAY FRIENDS.
4:57:13PM AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.
4:57:14PM BUT I APPRECIATE IT.
4:57:15PM >> THANK YOU.
4:57:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
4:57:20PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
4:57:22PM I KNOW IT'S BEEN A CRAZY TIME, AND THANK YOU FOR STEPPING
4:57:25PM IN.
4:57:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SOMETIMES I COME IN EARLY IN THE MORNING
4:57:32PM AND HE'S THERE, AND SAY HI, GOOD MORNING.
4:57:35PM WHAT PART OF TEXAS ARE YOU FROM?
4:57:37PM >> EAST TEXAS, HOUR AND A HALF EAST OF DALLAS, SMALL TOWN,
4:57:42PM 6,000 PEOPLE.
4:57:43PM TAMPA IS DIFFERENT.
4:57:44PM >> SOUTH OF PLANO?
4:57:48PM >> WAY EAST. IN BETWEEN SHREVEPORT AND DALLAS.
4:57:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: TEXARKANA?
4:57:58PM >> NO, IT'S CALLED TYLER.
4:58:02PM THAT PART OF TEXAS.
4:58:04PM IN THE BACK WOODS.
4:58:08PM >>LUIS VIERA: AND IF I MAY, MAYBE TAKE A PICTURE.
4:58:11PM AND MATT, IT'S FUNNY, IN TEXAS WHEN I INTERVIEWED HIM, I GO,
4:58:17PM ARE YOU AN LBG FAN?
4:58:19PM HE GOES, I LOVE LBG.
4:58:21PM SO WE BONDED ON THAT.
4:58:22PM JUST A GOOD DUDE.
4:58:24PM BUT COME ON UP AND GET A PICTURE.
4:58:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COME ON UP, MATT.
4:58:31PM IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING WITH YOU.
4:58:33PM YES, I HAVE SEEN YOU EARLY AND LATE AND YOU JUMPED RIGHT
4:58:36PM INTO THE FIRE, BROTHER.
4:59:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: RECOGNITIONS.
4:59:44PM WE ARE GOING TO BE SEEING BRANNAN NEXT MONDAY, I BELIEVE.
4:59:47PM WELCOME HER BACK.
4:59:48PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: ADMINISTRATOR FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND
4:59:48PM MOBILITY.
4:59:53PM I WANT TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT ABOUT MY ORDER REQUEST. I
4:59:56PM ACTUALLY MADE THAT ORDER REQUEST ON MY OWN JUST A FEW
4:59:59PM MINUTES AGO, IN CONSIDERATION OF MR. HART, AN EXECUTIVE VP
5:00:00PM OF THIS COMPANY WHO HAS BEEN HERE SINCE 9:00 THIS MORNING.
5:00:09PM I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD THE TIME TO STICK THROUGH ITEM
5:00:11PM NUMBER 12.
5:00:12PM SO I JUST THOUGHT, LET'S DO THE OTHER TWO FIRST IN CASE HE
5:00:17PM HAS TO LEAVE.
5:00:18PM THE REASON I MADE NUMBER 13 LAST IS BECAUSE LIAISONS
5:00:24PM PROVIDED A WRITTEN MEMO ON THAT ITEM AND THEY ARE NOT
5:00:26PM AVAILABLE TODAY.
5:00:27PM SO I JUST DECIDED TO DO 27, 28, 12, WHICH IS A COMPLETE
5:00:33PM ENGINEERING LOGICAL DECISION.
5:00:36PM THAT WAS IT.
5:00:37PM SO I JUST WANTED TO OFFER THAT EXPLANATION.
5:00:39PM >>BILL CARLSON: JEAN, MS. DUNCAN, I'M SORRY IF IT CAME
5:00:45PM ACROSS AS I WAS IMPLYING YOU DID SOMETHING WRONG IN
5:00:49PM REORDERING THAT.
5:00:52PM I THINK THE CONVERSATION ON THOSE ITEMS WOULD HAVE BEEN
5:00:54PM DIFFERENT HAD WE DISCUSSED THOSE OTHER ONES FIRST AND THERE
5:01:00PM ARE A LOT OF CONCERNS I HAVE ABOUT THAT DOCUMENT.
5:01:03PM BUT BECAUSE OF THE ORDER, THE CONVERSATION WOULD HAVE BEEN
5:01:06PM DIFFERENT. SO I WASN'T IMPLYING YOU DID ANYTHING WRONG.
5:01:07PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME AGAIN TO SPEAK
5:01:11PM ABOUT 13 BRIEFLY, OUR FOLKS ARE NOT HERE TODAY PHYSICALLY,
5:01:15PM BUT THEY DID PROVIDE THE MEMO.
5:01:17PM I JUST WANT TO ADD FROM THE TECHNICAL PERSPECTIVE, WE ARE
5:01:20PM STILL INTERESTED IN WORKING WITH OUR STAKEHOLDERS, AND DO
5:01:25PM THE WORKSHOP NEXT MONTH, TO SEE HOW ANY OF THAT MOTION LEADS
5:01:30PM INTO OUR CONVERSATION.
5:01:31PM SO FROM A TECHNICAL PERSPECTIVE WE ARE STILL OPEN TO
5:01:35PM EXPLORING WITH THE MOTION REQUESTED, BUT BEING THAT IT WAS
5:01:39PM DIRECTED TO THE LEGAL AND THE LOBBYING PART IN THE SHOP,
5:01:44PM RIGHT NOW WE JUST OFFER THE WRITTEN MEMO FOR TODAY.
5:01:53PM >>BILL CARLSON: IF WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT NOW, I
5:01:56PM WILL JUST COMMENT ON IT.
5:01:57PM MY QUESTION REALLY WAS TO FIND OUT IF THE ADMINISTRATION WAS
5:02:02PM OPEN -- IT'S NOT A QUESTION ABOUT THE WATER DEPARTMENT, WAS
5:02:05PM THE ADMINISTRATION OPEN TO USING THE LOBBYING RESOURCE OF
5:02:11PM THE CITY, AND THE LEGAL RESOURCES OF THE CITY. IF THIS WAS
5:02:16PM A PRIVATE COMPANY I WAS RUNNING, I WOULD SUE THE STATE AND I
5:02:20PM WOULD HIRE A TEAM OF LOBBYISTS BECAUSE I WOULD NEVER ALLOW
5:02:26PM THE CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY TO BE PUT AT RISK OF HAVING
5:02:29PM THEIR WATER RATE INCREASED AND HAVE TO DRINK THIS AND MOST
5:02:32PM OF ALL, WE SHOULD BE SPENDING THIS TIME TALKING ABOUT
5:02:35PM CLIMATE CHANGE AND FLOODING INSTEAD OF ALL THESE RESOURCES,
5:02:40PM AND THAT'S NOT YOUR DECISION.
5:02:42PM BUT IT'S JUST FRUSTRATING TO ME THAT WE SPENT SO MUCH TIME
5:02:46PM ON SOMETHING THAT THE PUBLIC ABSOLUTELY DOESN'T WANT.
5:02:48PM THE ONLY LEGITIMATE EXCUSE FOR IT ANYMORE IS THE STATE IS
5:02:52PM FORCING US TO DO IT, AND THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT
5:02:55PM WHETHER THE CITY RESOURCES WERE USED TO LOBBY FOR IT OR NOT.
5:02:58PM THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION WAS THIS ADMINISTRATION, NOT THE
5:03:02PM LAST ADMINISTRATION.
5:03:02PM I KNOW FROM SEVERAL SOURCES THAT LOBBYISTS IN THE LAST
5:03:05PM ADMINISTRATION WERE IN TALLAHASSEE AND DID LOBBY FOR IT
5:03:08PM BECAUSE LOBBYISTS THAT I KNOW WALKED OUT AFTER THEIR
5:03:12PM LOBBYISTS DID.
5:03:13PM SO THE FACT IS IF WE WERE LOOKING OUT FOR THE INTEREST OF
5:03:15PM OUR CITIZENS, WE WOULD LOBBY THE CITY, AND WE WOULD SUE --
5:03:21PM SORRY, WE WOULD LOBBY THE STATE AND LIKELY SUE THE STATE TO
5:03:24PM STOP THIS MANDATE, OR WE WOULD TRY TO GET THEM TO MODIFY THE
5:03:28PM LAW.
5:03:29PM IT'S NOT THAT DIFFICULT TO GET THEM TO MODIFY THE LAW.
5:03:32PM MY QUESTION WAS MORE TO FIND OUT IF THE ADMINISTRATION WAS
5:03:35PM OPEN TO IT.
5:03:36PM WHAT THEY SAID, ABSOLUTELY NOT. THEY GAVE SEVERAL PAGES OF
5:03:38PM REASONS WHY.
5:03:40PM THEIR SHALLOW EXCUSES, IF YOU WANT TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS
5:03:43PM OF THIS COMMUNITY YOU WILL DO IT.
5:03:44PM BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IT.
5:03:46PM SO THE ANSWER CLEARLY IS THEY WANT THIS PROJECT NO MATTER
5:03:48PM WHAT, NOT YOU GUYS, BUT THE MAYOR'S PEOPLE WANT THIS
5:03:52PM PROJECT.
5:03:54PM IT IS, I THINK, RECKLESS AND IRRESPONSIBLE.
5:03:57PM I AM GOING TO GET LOBBYISTS MYSELF.
5:03:59PM I AM GOING TO WORK WITH AGENCIES THAT HAVE LOBBYISTS, I
5:04:04PM MIGHT EVEN HAVE ATTORNEYS TO STOP THIS, BECAUSE I WILL DO
5:04:06PM EVERYTHING I CAN TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY.
5:04:08PM CLEARLY IN THE CHARTER THE CITY COUNCIL HAS NO AUTHORITY TO
5:04:11PM TELL THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT WHAT TO DO AND YOU CAN'T TELL THE
5:04:15PM LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO FILE A LAWSUIT AND WE CANNOT FORCE
5:04:19PM LOBBYISTS IN THE CITY TO DO ANYTHING.
5:04:20PM BUT I CAN DO IT OUTSIDE AS AN INDIVIDUAL BECAUSE I THINK
5:04:23PM THIS IS ABSURD THE WAY THIS IS BEING HANDLED THE LAST SIX OR
5:04:28PM SEVEN YEARS.
5:04:33PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: IF I MAY, ANDREA ZELMAN, CITY ATTORNEY. I
5:04:36PM DIDN'T CATCH THE FACT THAT YOU WERE ASKING WHETHER THE CITY
5:04:38PM COULD SUE THE STATE OVER --
5:04:40PM >>BILL CARLSON: NO, REALLY I WAS ASKING WHETHER THE
5:04:43PM ADMINISTRATION WAS OPEN TO SUING THE STATE, OR USING
5:04:47PM LOBBYING RESOURCES TO TRY TO CHANGE THE LAW.
5:04:50PM I WORKED ON A BUNCH OF ADVOCACY CASES IN TALLAHASSEE FOR 30
5:04:53PM YEARS.
5:04:54PM I KNOW IT'S ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE.
5:04:55PM IT DOESN'T MATTER.
5:04:56PM ALL THE REASONS THEY GAVE ARE THIN EXCUSES.
5:05:00PM THERE'S NEW LEADERSHIP THAT COMES IN ALL THE TIME.
5:05:02PM YOU CAN ALWAYS MODIFY SOMETHING.
5:05:06PM THE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP, I'VE HAD MANY PEOPLE TALK TO THE
5:05:07PM REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP, AND THEY SAID, NO, THIS IS NOT A
5:05:09PM MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR MANDATE FOR THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA.
5:05:11PM SO KNOWING THAT, THEY WILL CHANGE IT.
5:05:13PM I AM PART OF THE LARGEST BUSINESS ORGANIZATION IN
5:05:15PM TALLAHASSEE.
5:05:18PM THAT THE CITIZENS AND BUSINESSES OF THIS COMMUNITY ARE GOING
5:05:21PM TO BE STRADDLED WITH THIS AND MAKE YOU DRINK IT.
5:05:25PM THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE NEED TO STOP THIS. IF THE MAYOR AND
5:05:28PM HER ADMINISTRATION ARE NOT WILLING TO STOP IT, WE NEED TO
5:05:30PM STOP IT ON OUR OWN.
5:05:33PM CITY COUNCIL CANNOT FORCE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT OR LOBBYISTS
5:05:37PM TO DO ANYTHING, CORRECT?
5:05:38PM SO WE ARE STUCK.
5:05:39PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: YOU CERTAINLY HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK US TO
5:05:46PM EXPLORE A LEGAL BASIS TO SUE THE STATE.
5:05:49PM IF YOU HAVE A THOUGHT IN MIND -- IN LOOKING AT THIS RIGHT
5:05:53PM NOW, I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ON WHAT BASIS WE WOULD SUE
5:05:58PM THE STATE OVER THIS LAW THAT PASSED A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
5:06:03PM BUT A LOT OF TIMES YOU WILL SAY YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH
5:06:06PM OTHER LAWYERS.
5:06:07PM IF YOU HAVE GOTTEN AN OPINION FROM ANOTHER LAWYER I AM GLAD
5:06:09PM TO REVIEW IT.
5:06:10PM IF YOU HAVE IDEAS OF A LEGAL BASIS FOR SUING THE STATE.
5:06:13PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WILL TELL YOU PRIVATELY ABOUT THE OTHER
5:06:17PM COUNCIL.
5:06:18PM I NEED TO DISCUSS IT BEFORE I MAKE A MOTION.
5:06:20PM BUT I CAN TELL MY COLLEAGUES, SOME ARE FOR IT, SOME ARE
5:06:24PM AGAINST IT.
5:06:25PM I CANNOT IMAGINE THAT WE WOULD NOT DO EVERYTHING WE CAN NOT
5:06:30PM TO STRADDLE THE TAXPAYERS WITH THIS AND MAKE THEM DRINK IT.
5:06:33PM WE HAVE TO USE EVERY RESOURCE TO STOP IT.
5:06:36PM AND THE FACT WE AT THE VERY LEAST LET IT GO WITHOUT DOING
5:06:39PM ANYTHING, AT LEAST IN THE LAST ADMINISTRATION, I THINK IT'S
5:06:43PM APPALLING.
5:06:43PM THANK YOU.
5:06:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:06:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T DISAGREE -- I'M SORRY, MS. ZELMAN,
5:06:50PM DON'T GO TOO FAR.
5:06:52PM BUT THAT TO ME WAS THE REASON I VOTED FOR THE SIX BECAUSE
5:06:59PM WHAT THEY TOLD US THEY WEREN'T GOING TO ALLOW US TO USE
5:07:01PM THAT, OUR OUTFLOW TO HELP THE BAY, BECAUSE IT HAS SO MUCH
5:07:07PM NUTRIENTS IN IT, SO I AM HOPING THIS WILL HELP THAT SO WE
5:07:10PM CAN GO TO THE STATE AND SAY, HEY, WE ARE ACTUALLY REALLY
5:07:13PM PUTTING OUT BENEFICIAL USE WATER TO THE BAY SO WE DON'T HAVE
5:07:19PM TO CHANGE ANYTHING WE ARE DOING.
5:07:23PM SO IF WE HAD SOME DATA LIKE THAT TO GO FORWARD TO SUE THE
5:07:28PM STATE WITH, IS THAT SOMETHING THE CITY WOULD BE MORE APT TO
5:07:34PM LOOK AT?
5:07:35PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: AGAIN, AND LET ME SPEAK VERY GENERALLY.
5:07:39PM ANYTIME YOU, THE CITY COUNCIL, THE MAYOR, A DEPARTMENT HEAD
5:07:44PM OR WHATEVER SAYS TO ME, CAN WE SUE OVER THIS, WITHOUT
5:07:50PM KNOWING MORE, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.
5:07:53PM WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IN ANY CASE, WHOEVER WAS ASKING
5:07:57PM THIS, CAN WE FILE SUIT, IS UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS WE ARE
5:08:03PM CHALLENGING, WHAT THE BASIS OF OUR CLAIM WOULD BE, YOU KNOW,
5:08:06PM WHETHER WE HAVE STANDING.
5:08:07PM THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS THAT GO INTO IT, THE LIKELIHOOD OF
5:08:11PM SUCCESS, ALL THAT.
5:08:12PM SO OFFHAND, NOTHING IS COMING TO MIND AS TO A BASIS FOR
5:08:18PM WHICH WE COULD SUE THE STATE OVER THIS.
5:08:20PM BUT I DON'T WANT TO FORECLOSE THAT, IF SOMEONE HAS DONE SOME
5:08:25PM RESEARCH OR HAS SOME IDEAS, I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS THEM, LOOK
5:08:28PM AT IT, ANALYZE IT.
5:08:30PM WE ARE NOT SAYING NO OUT OF HAND.
5:08:33PM I JUST RIGHT NOW DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BASIS WOULD BE OF SUCH
5:08:36PM A LAWSUIT.
5:08:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AGAIN ON ITEM NUMBER 13, SENATE BILL 64,
5:08:42PM I BELIEVE THAT WAS A SENATOR THAT DID THAT FROM VERY CLOSE
5:08:50PM PROXIMITY TO HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
5:08:51PM THAT SENATOR IS NOT A COMMISSIONER.
5:08:54PM I BELIEVE THIS THING WAS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY, IF NOT CLOSE TO
5:08:58PM UNANIMOUSLY, IN THE LEGISLATURE.
5:09:00PM AM I CORRECT?
5:09:01PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO.
5:09:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: RIGHT.
5:09:05PM SO SINCE I AM SINGLE AND BORED AT TIMES, I TURN ON THE TV
5:09:07PM BUT NOT TO WATCH LOCAL STATIONS, THINGS LIKE THE ST. JOHNS
5:09:15PM RIVER, LIKE SWFWMD, UP AT THE ST. JOHNS RIVER, MIAMI, AND
5:09:21PM SOMETIMES TAMPA BAY WATER WITH CHUCK WEBER, BRAD BAIRD. I
5:09:29PM MENTIONED IT TO THEM WHAT I SAW, WHAT I HEARD, AND THEY
5:09:32PM LOOKED AT ME LIKE, YOU AIN'T GOT NOTHING ELSE TO DO.
5:09:35PM AND I SAID, NO, I JUST DON'T HAVE CABLE.
5:09:37PM BUT WHEN I WATCH THESE THINGS, I SEE THE CONVERSATION THAT
5:09:41PM THEY ARE HAVING, AND BASICALLY THE SAME AS HERE BUT IN
5:09:44PM ANOTHER FRAMEWORK, I REMEMBER WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS, HOW
5:09:47PM CAN WE CHANGE THIS?
5:09:49PM AND ONE MEMBER SAID, WELL, MAYBE WE CAN GO GET AN EXTENSION
5:09:51PM FROM THE YEAR 2030 OR WHATEVER IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN PLACE,
5:09:55PM AND THAT'S THE LAST I HAVE HEARD OF IT FROM ST. JOHNS RIVER.
5:09:59PM BUT I AM NOT TALKING FOR CHANGE.
5:10:01PM BY THE WAY, THAT'S THE ONLY BODY OF WATER IN FLORIDA THAT
5:10:05PM FLOWS BACKWARDS.
5:10:06PM SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I LOOK AT ONCE IN A WHILE WHEN
5:10:09PM I AM REALLY BORED.
5:10:10PM NOT THAT I AM BORED WATCHING.
5:10:12PM I TURN IT ON TO TRY TO LEARN SOMETHING.
5:10:15PM BUT THEY WERE NOT 100% INCORRECT.
5:10:21PM THEY DID IT FOR A REASON.
5:10:23PM AND THAT REASON IS TO CLEAN UP SOMETHING, BUT IN DOING THAT,
5:10:28PM HAD SOME HARMFUL SIDE EFFECTS.
5:10:31PM SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT CAN BE WORKED OUT WITH THE
5:10:34PM LEGISLATURE WITHOUT A LAWSUIT.
5:10:35PM I'M NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T LAWSUIT.
5:10:38PM YOU CAN'T SUE EITHER.
5:10:39PM BUT YOU CAN WORK WITH THE LEGISLATURE.
5:10:41PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M JUST CURIOUS SO I HAVE TO ASK.
5:10:50PM WE KNOW THAT THE ADMINISTRATION LAUNCHED THIS PROGRAM, AND
5:10:57PM COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAVE DOUBTS, AND THE COMMUNITY HAVE
5:11:00PM DOUBTS ABOUT THIS PROGRAM.
5:11:03PM MR. CARLSON IS SAYING AS FAR AS RESOURCES THAT POSSIBLY SUE
5:11:12PM DOWN THE ROAD TO CHANGE THE POSITION.
5:11:19PM WELL, I'M JUST WONDERING IN MY MIND IF THE ADMINISTRATION
5:11:21PM WANTS THIS AND THE COUNCIL FINDS BASIS TO POSSIBLY SUE, OR
5:11:26PM DON'T WANT THIS PROGRAM, I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW TO CHANGE
5:11:37PM POSITIONS.
5:11:38PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I THINK WE ARE GETTING AHEAD OF OURSELVES.
5:11:41PM FIRST, I HAVE TO UNDERSTAND ON WHAT BASIS WOULD WE BE SUING?
5:11:44PM WHAT IS OUR CLAIM?
5:11:49PM ONE OF THE CONCEPTS OF THE LEGAL WORLD THAT'S HARD TO
5:11:52PM EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE IS JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE SOMETHING,
5:11:55PM OR SOMETHING FEELS WRONG, THERE ISN'T ALWAYS A LEGAL BASIS
5:11:58PM TO SUE SOMEONE.
5:12:00PM SO FIRST I HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS WE WOULD BE
5:12:04PM ASSERTING, WHAT WOULD BE OUR CLAIM, OR WITH THIS LEGISLATION
5:12:09PM THAT WAS ENACTED IN PREVIOUS YEARS.
5:12:13PM AGAIN, IF THE MAYOR ASKED ME, IF YOU ASKED ME, IF ANYONE
5:12:17PM ASKS, I'M HAPPY TO RESEARCH THAT, I AM HAPPY TO ANALYZE IT,
5:12:20PM I AM HAPPY TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT MAKES SENSE.
5:12:24PM AND IF THAT REQUEST TO HAPPEN, THEN I WOULD DISCUSS IT WITH
5:12:29PM BOTH THE COUNCIL AND THE ADMINISTRATION.
5:12:31PM SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
5:12:35PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET'S JUST SAY THE BASIS IS ASKED ABOUT
5:12:41PM LOBBYING TO -- IF THIS COUNCIL WANTS THAT AND THE
5:12:48PM ADMINISTRATION DOES THAT, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT SAYS, WELL,
5:12:54PM COUNCIL, WHO IS THE LEGISLATIVE BODY OF THIS CITY, IS SAYING
5:12:57PM THAT THEY HAVE A POSITION.
5:12:59PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: WELL, I THINK THE WAY I READ THE MEMO IS
5:13:03PM THEY WEREN'T SAYING WE DON'T WANT TO LOBBY, THEY WERE SAYING
5:13:06PM THAT BEFORE SPENDING CITY RESOURCES TO LOBBY, WE WOULD HAVE
5:13:10PM TO ANALYZE WHAT THE LIKELIHOOD FOR SUCCESS WOULD BE.
5:13:13PM THE WAY I READ THE MEMO, THEY FELT THERE WAS A VERY POOR
5:13:18PM LIKELIHOOD OF SUCCESS OF THE LOBBYING EFFORT THAT WAS ASKED
5:13:21PM FOR.
5:13:22PM BUT THAT BEING SAID, COUNCIL STILL HAS THE ABILITY TO DO
5:13:25PM THINGS.
5:13:26PM YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO PASS A RESOLUTION, SEND
5:13:30PM THAT TO THE LEGISLATURE IN TALLAHASSEE, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY
5:13:33PM TO WRITE LETTERS, YOU COULD PASS A RESOLUTION TO HAVE A
5:13:38PM LETTER WRITTEN ON BEHALF OF THE COUNCIL BY THE CHAIR, YOU
5:13:42PM COULD EACH INDIVIDUALLY LOBBY OR WRITE TO THE LEGISLATURE.
5:13:47PM I MEAN, YOU DO HAVE POWERS IN THAT REGARD.
5:13:51PM IT'S JUST THE MEMO WAS ADDRESSING THE QUESTION OF WHETHER
5:13:55PM THE CITY -- IT MADE SENSE FOR THE CITY TO USE ITS LOBBYING
5:14:00PM RESOURCES ON THAT ISSUE.
5:14:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:14:06PM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON A COUPLE THINGS.
5:14:17PM I HAVE HAD EXTENSIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PEOPLE IN
5:14:19PM NORTHEAST FLORIDA.
5:14:21PM I HAVE SPOKEN TO SOME OF THE ENGINEERS AND OTHERS, AND EVERY
5:14:25PM SITUATION IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
5:14:26PM AND OUR SITUATION, OUR CONSIDERATIONS ARE DIFFERENT HERE.
5:14:30PM AND THEY HAVE REASONS WHY THEY ARE TRYING TO COMPLY WITH THE
5:14:34PM LAW.
5:14:35PM WE HAVE REASONS WHY WE SHOULDN'T COMPLY WITH THE LAW.
5:14:38PM AND I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
5:14:41PM I HAVE NOT SPOKEN DIRECTLY TO BILL SIMPSON BUT I HAVE HAD
5:14:46PM SEVERAL HIGH-LEVEL PEOPLE WHO KNOW HIM WELL, SPEAK TO HIM.
5:14:53PM EVERYONE THAT I HAVE SPOKEN TO, HAS SPOKEN ON MY BEHALF TO
5:14:57PM HIM, SAYS THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NOT A MANDATE, THE CITY OF
5:14:59PM TAMPA SHOULD NOT HAVE TO STICK TAXPAYER RATE PAYERS WITH A
5:15:05PM HUGE COST.
5:15:06PM I HAVE SPOKEN TO LEGISLATIVE AIDES OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON
5:15:10PM THE COMMITTEE, AND THEY SAID THAT THE INTENT OF THE
5:15:13PM LEGISLATURE WAS NOT TO DO THIS.
5:15:15PM IT'S WEIRD THAT THE EXCUSE GIVEN BY AN E-MAIL, AN OFFICIAL
5:15:21PM ORDER FOR VP -- WE DIDN'T GET AN OFFICIAL DOCUMENT FROM A
5:15:27PM GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO VOTED ON IT.
5:15:28PM WE GOT AN E-MAIL FROM SOMEONE WHO SAID, OH, YOU DON'T NEED
5:15:34PM IT, AND MY QUESTION WAS ABOUT WHAT CITIES WITHOUT RIVERS?
5:15:37PM THE WHOLE THING IS VERY SUSPECT.
5:15:39PM AND WE KNOW THAT THE PUBLIC DOESN'T WANT THIS.
5:15:41PM AND IF THE MAYOR WANTS TO HANG HER POLITICAL HAT ON IT,
5:15:46PM GREAT.
5:15:47PM I DON'T KNOW WHY.
5:15:48PM BUT WE ARE IN A POSITION WHERE WE HAVE TO PROTECT THE
5:15:51PM HEALTH, SAFETY, WELL-BEING, COSTS OF OUR COMMUNITY, AND WE
5:15:56PM NEED TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO STOP IT.
5:15:58PM IF YOU COME OUT WITH A LEGAL REASON TO STOP IT, LET ME KNOW.
5:16:01PM I ABSOLUTELY KNOW THAT LOBBYING CAN WORK.
5:16:03PM I HAVE A WHOLE TEAM OF PEOPLE THAT I CAN PAY FOR TO PUT ON
5:16:06PM THAT.
5:16:06PM I WAS HOPING THAT THE CITY WOULD DO IT.
5:16:08PM IF I FIGURE OUT HOW TO STOP IT, THEN I WILL COME BACK AND
5:16:12PM ASK, WHY DIDN'T THE CITY DO WHAT I DID WITH A LOT LESS
5:16:15PM RESOURCES?
5:16:18PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, I'M CONFUSED.
5:16:23PM WE ARE A LEGISLATIVE BODY.
5:16:25PM SO WHY COULDN'T WE PASS A MOTION TO HAVE A LOBBYIST GO
5:16:32PM LOBBY?
5:16:34PM I'M CONFUSED.
5:16:36PM IF THE MAYOR WANTS TO VETO.
5:16:39PM EXPLAIN IT TO ME.
5:16:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
5:16:41PM THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
5:16:46PM I REMEMBER THIS CAME UP, I BELIEVE IT WAS -- EXCUSE ME.
5:16:51PM I BELIEVE THIS CAME UP UNDER THE IORIO ADMINISTRATION.
5:16:54PM IT WAS A SPECIFIC QUESTION DIRECTED TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, AS
5:16:59PM I RECALL IT WAS DAVID SMITH AT THE TIME, WHO SPEAKS FOR THE
5:17:01PM CITY?
5:17:02PM AND I BELIEVE THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE SOMEONE IN THE CITY
5:17:05PM ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THAT OPINION.
5:17:07PM BUT EFFECTIVELY, IT IS THE MAYOR AS THE ADMINISTRATIVE HEAD
5:17:14PM OF THE CITY, AND PARTICULARLY IN THE CHARTER, JUST AS A
5:17:21PM BASIS FOR WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT.
5:17:25PM NUMBER 8 UNDER SECTION 401, THE MAYOR, COGNIZANCE OF THE
5:17:31PM RELATION OF THE CITY TO THE COUNTY, STATE, FEDERAL AND OTHER
5:17:34PM MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS. AND I LOOKED UP THE LEGAL DEFINITION
5:17:37PM OF COGNIZANCE, AND IT MEANS JURISDICTION.
5:17:40PM SO THAT'S REALLY THE MAYOR'S PURVIEW TO SPEAK FOR THE CITY,
5:17:44PM AND THAT'S WHAT THE GIST OF THE MEMO SAID.
5:17:49PM SO YES, YOU CAN SPEAK FOR THE CITY COUNCIL, BUT THAT DOES
5:17:53PM NOT SPEAK FOR THE CITY.
5:17:54PM YOU CAN CERTAINLY LOBBY ON BEHALF OF YOUR OWN POSITION AS A
5:17:59PM CITY COUNCIL MEMBER.
5:18:00PM NOW GETTING BACK TO WHAT YOU CAN DO, REMEMBER, A RESOLUTION
5:18:05PM IS A STATEMENT, A POLICY POSITION OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
5:18:14PM THE MAYOR DOES NOT NECESSARILY -- THERE ARE SOME RESOLUTIONS
5:18:16PM THAT THE MAYOR DOES SIGN, BUT GENERALLY NO, AND THAT AS
5:18:22PM OPPOSED TO AN ORDINANCE WHICH IS A LAW, AND THAT IS THE KIND
5:18:25PM OF THING THAT GOES TO THE MAYOR'S SIGNATURE, GOES TO THE
5:18:28PM MAYOR FOR HER SIGNATURE OR NOT, IF SHE AGREES TO DO IT OR
5:18:36PM ALLOW IT TO BECOME LAW WITHOUT HER SIGNATURE.
5:18:38PM SO THE QUESTION IS, FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE, WHAT IS IT
5:18:44PM ULTIMATELY THAT THIS CITY COUNCIL, REPRESENTING YOUR
5:18:48PM CONSTITUENTS, WANTS TO ACCOMPLISH?
5:18:52PM AND ONCE YOU DO THAT, AND YOU COME TO A CONSENSUS, THE
5:18:55PM QUESTION THEN TO BE POSED TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, OR POSED
5:18:59PM TO ME OR POSED TO THE ADMINISTRATION, IS HOW DO YOU, OR WE,
5:19:04PM WORK TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT IT IS THAT CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO DO?
5:19:09PM NOW, CLEARLY, THE MAJORITY, IF NOT MOST, IF NOT ALL, OF THE
5:19:18PM KIND OF MAIL THAT I SEE COMING TO CITY COUNCIL, DOES NOT
5:19:20PM NECESSARILY EXPRESS SUPPORT FOR THIS PROGRAM, AND FRANKLY
5:19:26PM THE QUESTION IS, WHAT CAN COUNCIL DO SPECIFICALLY, IF IT'S
5:19:35PM COUNCIL'S PLEASURE, AND I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT EXPRESSLY
5:19:38PM MADE -- ACTUALLY, I HAVE.
5:19:40PM LET ME JUST SAY THAT.
5:19:41PM TO BE CLEAR, THERE WAS VOTES WITH REGARD TO THIS, BUT YET IT
5:19:46PM KEEPS COMING BACK.
5:19:47PM AND I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT YOU ARE ASKING THEN IS WHAT
5:19:50PM CAN COUNCIL DO SPECIFICALLY --
5:19:52PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: TO STOP IT FROM COMING BACK. IF THE
5:19:54PM COMMUNITY IS SAYING WE WANT TO STOP CHANGING THE NAME, HOW
5:19:57PM DO WE STOP THIS?
5:19:59PM BECAUSE THIS IS PLAYING GAMES.
5:20:03PM SOMETIMES GO ROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND, AND MR. MIRANDA IS
5:20:04PM OVER THERE DOING THAT, LET'S GET TO IT.
5:20:08PM LET'S JUST GET TO IT.
5:20:09PM IF WE DON'T WANT IT DONE IN THIS CITY, THE MAYOR SPEAKS FOR
5:20:13PM THE CITY, THIS COUNCIL SPEAKS FOR ITS CONSTITUENTS IN EACH
5:20:16PM DISTRICT.
5:20:17PM AND IF THE PEOPLE DON'T WANT IT, WHY DON'T WE STOP IT AND
5:20:21PM JUST MOVE ON? SO WE NEED TO FIND THAT OUT.
5:20:26PM THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
5:20:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE THING IS, COUNCIL NEEDS TO CLEARLY
5:20:29PM EXPRESS THAT IF THAT'S COUNCIL'S DECISION, AND THEN WORKING
5:20:34PM WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, BECAUSE ACTUALLY, ULTIMATELY, THERE
5:20:40PM ARE MULTIPLE WAYS YOU CAN CONTROL SOMETHING.
5:20:45PM IN LAW THAT WOULD PREVENT IT PERHAPS, OR PERHAPS BUDGETARY
5:20:49PM RESTRAINTS ON IT.
5:20:50PM BUT THE THING IS --
5:20:52PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I DON'T
5:20:55PM NEED ALL THE FLUFF.
5:20:58PM I NEED YOU TO EITHER RESEARCH THAT AND GET BACK WITH EACH
5:21:03PM INDIVIDUAL COUNCILMEMBER TO TELL THEM IF THERE'S SUPPORT, IF
5:21:06PM NOT, THESE ARE THINGS YOU CAN DO AND YOU CAN'T DO, AND YOU
5:21:09PM BRING THAT TO THIS BODY, AND WE MOVE ON, EITHER PUT IT TO
5:21:12PM BED OR WE MOVE ON, OR WE STOP IT.
5:21:15PM BUT YOU ARE GOING ROUND AND ROUND.
5:21:18PM >> MARTIN SHELBY: I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, SIR.
5:21:24PM IF THAT'S THE SENTIMENT OF COUNCIL AND YOU WANT TO
5:21:27PM COMMUNICATE THAT, THE FIRST WAY TO DO IT IS GET WITH THE
5:21:31PM ADMINISTRATION TO TAKE NOTICE OF IT IS TO PUT TOGETHER A
5:21:34PM RESOLUTION, AND TO MAKE THAT THE OFFICIAL STATEMENT OF
5:21:38PM POLICY OF THIS PARTICULAR COUNCIL, AND IF YOU WANT IT TO BE
5:21:42PM AN OFFICIAL POSITION OF THIS PARTICULAR COUNCIL, AND YOU
5:21:45PM WANT TO HAVE THE EFFECT OF LAW, THEN THE WAY TO DO THAT IS
5:21:49PM TO SOMEHOW WORKING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, PREFERABLY,
5:21:52PM TRANSLATE THAT INTO AN ORDINANCE.
5:21:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GET TO AN END.
5:22:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WILL.
5:22:01PM BUT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION THAT KEEPS COMING BACK
5:22:04PM IN DIFFERENT FORMS AND IT COMES BACK IN DIFFERENT PROJECTS
5:22:07PM WITHIN THE CONSENT AGENDA.
5:22:10PM AND WHAT THIS COUNCIL WANTS IS FROM FINALITY, IS WHAT I
5:22:13PM HEAR.
5:22:14PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
5:22:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET'S BRING THIS BACK TO THE AGENDA ITEM
5:22:17PM THAT WE ARE AT.
5:22:18PM I WILL MAKE ONE LAST STATEMENT.
5:22:20PM I AM ON THE BOARD OF THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES.
5:22:29PM WE, CITIES IN FLORIDA, THAT BELONG TO THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF
5:22:32PM CITIES, HAS BEEN TRYING TO FIGHT SENATE BILL 64 FOR THREE
5:22:37PM YEARS.
5:22:42PM I LOVE TO SCRAP.
5:22:43PM I'LL FIGHT ANYBODY.
5:22:44PM BUT THE HISTORIAN, COUNCILMAN VIERA, WHO WAS THE FAMOUS
5:22:53PM CHINESE PERSON THAT SAID NEVER ENTER INTO A FIGHT THAT YOU
5:22:56PM CAN'T WIN?
5:22:58PM I DON'T GET INTO A FIGHT.
5:23:01PM FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES FOUND OUT THERE IS NO CITY OUR SIZE
5:23:04PM THAT HAS TRIED TO FIGHT SENATE BILL 64.
5:23:08PM TO GET THAT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES GO AND FIGHT
5:23:14PM TO CHANGE THIS LEGISLATION.
5:23:19PM I'LL FIGHT IT.
5:23:23PM I WANT TO FIGHT IT, BUT I WOULD RATHER HAVE FORCE IN
5:23:25PM NUMBERS.
5:23:26PM IN MY OPINION, THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN FIGHT THIS IS BY
5:23:29PM SHOWING THE STATE THAT WE CLEANED OUR WATER THAT WE ARE
5:23:32PM PUTTING BACK INTO THE BAY.
5:23:36PM IF WE CAN'T PROVE THAT, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ONE HELL OF A
5:23:39PM TOUGH FIGHT.
5:23:40PM THE SIRENS THAT I HEARD GOING BY TONIGHT AND THE DISCUSSIONS
5:23:45PM WE HAVE HAD ON THE BUDGET FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
5:23:52PM SORRY.
5:23:53PM I WOULD RATHER SPEND TWO OR THREE MILLION DOLLARS TO TAKE TO
5:23:57PM FIGHT THIS WITHOUT THE CLEAN WATER THAT WE ARE REINTRODUCING
5:24:01PM INTO THE BAY.
5:24:02PM I WOULD RATHER TAKE THIS MONEY AND SPEND IT ON THE FIRE
5:24:05PM DEPARTMENT.
5:24:06PM I HAVE MADE MY STATEMENT.
5:24:08PM WE HAVE TWO AGENDA ITEMS IN FRONT OF US.
5:24:10PM NUMBER 12 AND NUMBER 13.
5:24:12PM WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
5:24:18PM THESE ARE REPORTS. ARE WE ACCEPTING THE REPORTS AS GIVEN
5:24:21PM AND MOVING ON?
5:24:22PM >> MOVED.
5:24:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:24:30PM AGENDA ITEM --
5:24:31PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:24:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE DIDN'T PRESENT THE OVERVIEW, CORRECT?
5:24:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET'S HEAR IT THEN.
5:24:42PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: ADMINISTRATOR FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND
5:24:46PM MOBILITY.
5:24:47PM THAT IS CORRECT, WE DID NOT PROVIDE ANYTHING VERBALLY TODAY
5:24:51PM ON ITEM NUMBER 12, WHICH IS WE ARE PLANNING TO GIVE YOU A
5:24:55PM SHORT SUMMARY OF THE 17 QUESTIONS WE RECEIVED.
5:25:02PM WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO A DEEPER DIVE AT THE FEBRUARY
5:25:06PM WORKSHOP IF THAT'S THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL.
5:25:08PM IF I CAN MAKE ONE CLARIFYING COMMENT, THE ADMINISTRATION
5:25:10PM ISN'T PUSHING ANY PARTICULAR PROJECT.
5:25:13PM THE ADMINISTRATION IS SUPPORTING THE TECHNICAL OPINION THAT
5:25:19PM WE HAVE PROMISED WE NEED TO SOLVE IN TERMS OF SULPHUR
5:25:22PM SPRINGS AND IN TERMS OF HAVING A SUSTAINABLE WATER SOURCE TO
5:25:27PM MEET OUR MGD OBLIGATIONS.
5:25:30PM THERE IS NO ACTIVE PURE PROJECT.
5:25:32PM SO IN CASE THAT'S OUT THERE IN THE PUBLIC, IF THAT'S A
5:25:34PM CONCERN, THE ONLY ACTIVITY IS NOW FRANKLY YOUR VOTE TODAY,
5:25:41PM PURSUING A WAY TO IMPROVE THIS SAFETY AND QUALITY OF OUR
5:25:43PM WASTEWATER PILOT.
5:25:46PM IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THE QUESTIONS,
5:25:49PM WE HAVE A FEW SLIDES WE CAN SHARE AND THE ARCHITECT CAN
5:25:53PM BRING THESE UP.
5:25:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANTED TO SEE THIS JUST BECAUSE I WAS TOLD
5:25:57PM IT WAS GOING TO INCLUDE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT HOW THE
5:25:59PM STAKEHOLDERS FELT ABOUT THE MEETING YOU HAD WITH THEM LAST
5:26:07PM WEEK.
5:26:07PM BUT I DO KNOW, I AM NOT GOING TO ASK ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS
5:26:11PM BECAUSE I DO KNOW WE ARE GOING TO GET INTO THIS ON THE
5:26:14PM 23rd OF FEBRUARY.
5:26:14PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: SO I CAN GIVE YOU A SHORT SUMMARY OF THE
5:26:19PM MEETING THIS PAST TUESDAY, AND THEN A SHORT SUMMARY OF THE
5:26:22PM 17 QUESTIONS IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO.
5:26:25PM >>CHUCK WEBER: WATER DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR.
5:26:33PM I DIDN'T REALLY PREPARE ANY SLIDES ABOUT THE MEETING WE HAD
5:26:35PM ON TUESDAY.
5:26:37PM I FELT LIKE IT WAS A VERY GOOD MEETING.
5:26:41PM WHAT I LIKED MOST ABOUT IT WAS WE HAD OPEN CONVERSATIONS, A
5:26:45PM CIVIL CONVERSATION.
5:26:47PM IT WAS MY IMPRESSION THAT ALL OF THE ISSUES SURROUNDING THE
5:26:51PM WATER RESOURCE CHALLENGES WE HAVE WITH SULPHUR SPRINGS, YOU
5:26:56PM KNOW, MAKING OUR WATER SUPPLY MORE RESILIENT, AND COMPLYING
5:27:00PM WITH STATE LAW, SENATE BILL 64, ALL THOSE ISSUES THAT WE
5:27:04PM HAVE BEEN HEARING IN THE PAST CAME TO THE SURFACE, THEY WERE
5:27:08PM DISCUSSED, AND I THINK ALL THE PERSPECTIVES WERE HEARD BASED
5:27:13PM ON MY RECOLLECTION OF WHAT I HAVE HEARD IN THE PAST.
5:27:15PM SO I FELT LIKE IT WAS A VERY GOOD DISCUSSION.
5:27:18PM AND I THINK IT WILL HELP US IN FEBRUARY.
5:27:21PM WE'LL HAVE A REPORT COME FROM THE MODERATOR OF THAT
5:27:24PM WORKSHOP.
5:27:25PM I THINK THERE WILL BE A TRANSCRIPT OF THE WORKSHOP
5:27:29PM AVAILABLE, AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE A DEEPER DIVE INTO
5:27:32PM THOSE ISSUES IN FEBRUARY.
5:27:35PM IT WASN'T THE INTENT REALLY TO GO THROUGH EVERY ISSUE LIKE
5:27:38PM WE DID.
5:27:38PM WE WERE GOING TO FOCUS ON BEST AND WORST CASE OF WHAT WE
5:27:43PM WERE CALLING STATUS QUO.
5:27:45PM AND WE DID DISCUSS THAT PART IN DETAIL AS WELL, AND WE
5:27:50PM DISCUSSED THE CHALLENGES WITH PURCHASING MORE WATER FROM
5:27:55PM TAMPA BAY WATER.
5:27:56PM IT'S NOT THAT THAT CAN'T BE DONE, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE
5:27:59PM CAN DEFINITELY CONTINUE TO DISCUSS.
5:28:02PM IT COULD DEFINITELY BE PART OF OUR PLAN MOVING FORWARD.
5:28:06PM BUT THERE ARE CHALLENGES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
5:28:09PM WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE CHALLENGES AND OTHER WAYS IN WHICH
5:28:14PM WE COULD REDUCE OR ELIMINATE THE DISCHARGE TO COMPLY WITH
5:28:18PM SENATE BILL 64.
5:28:20PM MR. FLANNERY WAS THERE AND HE DESCRIBES SOME GOOD IDEAS. I
5:28:27PM THINK OUR CONVERSATION AT THE FEBRUARY 23rd WORKSHOP.
5:28:33PM TAMPA BAY WATER WAS THERE, AND HE REAFFIRMED -- I WANT TO
5:28:38PM MAKE SURE THAT I GET HIS POINT CLEAR -- HE SAYS TAMPA BAY
5:28:41PM WATER STANDS READY TO SERVE, BUT HE ALSO INDICATED THAT IF
5:28:47PM THEY NEED TO SUPPLY US WATER UNDER 82, THAT CAN BE A
5:28:51PM CHALLENGE IN A DROUGHT SITUATION, AND WE DO STAND LAST IN
5:28:56PM LINE.
5:28:56PM IF WE WANTED TO CHANGE THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, WE CAN'T
5:29:01PM REALLY DO THAT AT TAMPA BAY WATER BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT A
5:29:03PM PARTY TO THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.
5:29:04PM WE HAVE TO GO TO MEMBER GOVERNMENTS, AND EACH AND EVERY
5:29:07PM MEMBER GOVERNMENT HAS TO APPROVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
5:29:10PM SO WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT.
5:29:12PM AND IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THAT CAN'T BE DONE, BUT WE HAD A
5:29:15PM GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD ENTAIL.
5:29:17PM FINALLY, I WANT TO -- I THINK WE COULD HAVE A GOOD
5:29:23PM DISCUSSION ON FEBRUARY 23rd AND I CAN MOVE ON AND TALK
5:29:25PM ABOUT THE 17 QUESTIONS IF THAT'S GOOD, AN OVERVIEW.
5:29:30PM >> COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, IT'S YOUR MOTION.
5:29:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
5:29:35PM >>CHUCK WEBER: I DON'T KNOW IF WE STILL HAVE THE
5:29:36PM PRESENTATION.
5:29:38PM JUST TO REITERATE.
5:29:39PM WE DON'T HAVE NEAR THE TIME TO GO THROUGH EACH AND EVERY
5:29:44PM QUESTION, SO AS I GO THROUGH IT, MAYBE CORRECT SOME OF THE
5:29:46PM OTHER THINGS THAT WERE SAID EARLIER TODAY THAT I FEEL WERE A
5:29:51PM LITTLE INACCURATE.
5:29:53PM I CAN UNDERSTAND THE EMOTION AND THE CONCERN BEHIND THESE
5:29:56PM QUESTIONS.
5:29:58PM THEY ARE GOOD QUESTIONS.
5:29:59PM THEY ARE QUESTIONS WE ASKED OURSELVES AS WE GET INTO THIS
5:30:02PM PROJECT.
5:30:03PM SO I HAVE EMPATHY FOR THE QUESTIONS AND THE NEED TO HAVE A
5:30:07PM RESPONSE TO THE QUESTIONS THAT SAY, YEAH, OKAY, I GET IT,
5:30:12PM AND THIS FEELS GOOD.
5:30:14PM SO WE DID OUR BEST TO GROUP THE QUESTIONS INTO SIMILAR AREAS
5:30:20PM OF CONCERN SO THAT WE COULD -- WE COULD TAKE A HOLISTIC
5:30:25PM APPROACH AND NOT JUST GIVE A ONE OR TWO-WORD ANSWER TO THE
5:30:28PM QUESTION BUT WE COULD ADDRESS THE CONCERNS BEHIND THE
5:30:31PM QUESTIONS.
5:30:31PM SO THAT'S WHY WE GROUPED THEM.
5:30:33PM SO THAT PART THAT I HEARD EARLIER WAS TRUE, WE DID GROUP
5:30:37PM THEM, BUT WE DID IN WRITING ANSWER EACH AND EVERY QUESTION.
5:30:42PM SO EACH QUESTION, ALTHOUGH THEY ARE GROUPED UNDER AREAS OF
5:30:46PM CONCERN, EACH QUESTION HAS ITS OWN SEPARATE ANSWER.
5:30:48PM SO THAT WAS I THINK MAYBE A MISUNDERSTANDING EARLIER WHEN IT
5:30:52PM WAS STATED THAT WE DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTIONS INDIVIDUALLY.
5:30:55PM WE DID.
5:30:57PM SO WITH THAT, I WILL JUST JUMP INTO THIS OVERVIEW.
5:31:00PM I THINK WE HAVE FIVE SLIDES AFTER THIS ONE.
5:31:05PM THE NEXT SLIDE THERE.
5:31:06PM SO THE GROUPINGS REQUEST THE NEED FOR THE PROJECT.
5:31:09PM THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER AND CAN'T
5:31:12PM ANSWER RIGHT NOW.
5:31:13PM WHY DO WE NEED NOT REALLY A PROJECT BUT WHY DO WE NEED TO
5:31:18PM ADDRESS THESE RESOURCE CHALLENGES WE HAVE?
5:31:21PM SO THAT PART WE PROVIDED INFORMATION ON.
5:31:24PM WE THINK WE HAVE ANSWERED THOSE QUESTIONS THOROUGHLY.
5:31:27PM THE QUESTIONS ON COST, THOSE ARE DIFFICULT QUESTIONS TO
5:31:31PM ANSWER, ALONG WITH THE OTHER TWO.
5:31:33PM A LOT OF TREATMENT AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT BECAUSE WE NEED
5:31:37PM TO DO A LOT MORE ENGINEERING WORK BEFORE WE CAN REALLY
5:31:40PM SATISFY THE CONCERN BEHIND THE QUESTION.
5:31:44PM SO JUST TALKING TO NEED IT REALLY BOILS DOWN TO THESE THREE
5:31:48PM AREA WATER RESOURCE CHALLENGES, MEETING MINIMUM FLOWS, AND
5:31:52PM SUPPLYING 82 MILLION GALLONS A DAY OF DRINKING WATER UNDER
5:31:56PM ALL CONDITIONS, AND COMPLYING WITH THE STATE LAW.
5:32:01PM THE COST, WHY WE CAN'T GIVE A FIRM COST, AND RIGHT NOW IS I
5:32:08PM TRIED TO LAY OUT THIS PROCESS THAT WE NEED TO FOLLOW TO GET,
5:32:13PM AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE AT THAT FIRST SUB.
5:32:17PM WE NEED TO DO FUND THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND DO THE PUBLIC
5:32:20PM ENGAGEMENT AND SCREEN THROUGH THE ALTERNATIVES.
5:32:23PM THEN WE NEED TO SELECT AN ALTERNATIVE.
5:32:26PM THE PRICING THAT WE HAVE SO FAR, THE COST WE HAVE SO FAR,
5:32:28PM ARE SCREENING LEVEL COSTS.
5:32:30PM THEY ARE NOT REALLY GOING TO BE THE FINAL COST OF THE
5:32:33PM PROJECTS, BUT THEY ARE USED TO HELP SCREEN OUT PROJECTS TO
5:32:36PM FIGURE OUT WHICH ONES ARE WORTH PURSUING MORE.
5:32:39PM THEN YOU DO THE DETAILED ENGINEERING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE
5:32:43PM COSTS ARE GOING TO BE.
5:32:44PM BUT AT THE SAME TIME, ONCE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO
5:32:47PM BUILD, FUR GOING TO BUILD SOMETHING, THEN YOU GO OUT AND YOU
5:32:50PM PURSUE GRANTS AND COST SHARING, BECAUSE SOME OF OUR OPTIONS
5:32:55PM FOR ADDRESSING THESE CHALLENGES INCLUDE PARTNERS LIKE TAMPA
5:32:58PM BAY WATER, WHO MAY PURCHASE RECLAIMED WATER FROM US, AND
5:33:03PM THAT IS A REVENUE STREAM AND NOT A COST.
5:33:06PM SO WE CAN'T REALLY GET TO FIGURING OUT THE BOTTOM LINE, HOW
5:33:11PM MUCH IS THIS GOING TO COST THE CITY AND HOW IS IT GOING TO
5:33:14PM IMPACT OUR BILL, UNTIL YOU GO THROUGH ALL THOSE STEPS.
5:33:16PM AND WE ARE JUST AT THE VERY BEGINNING.
5:33:22PM THE SCREEN COSTS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW RANGE FROM JUST UNDER A
5:33:25PM DOLLAR TO JUST OVER $15 PER THOUSAND GALLONS.
5:33:29PM THAT'S A HUGE RANGE.
5:33:30PM AND REALLY, THE UPPER END OF THAT RIGHT NOW IS THE WAY THAT
5:33:34PM WE HAVE LOOKED AT THE PURPLE PIPE SYSTEM IN THE PAST.
5:33:37PM THERE MAY BE WAYS TO APPROACH, APPROACH DIFFERENTLY, AND
5:33:43PM REDUCE THE COSTS AND STILL ACHIEVE WHAT WE NEED TO ACHIEVE
5:33:46PM WITH REGARDS TO THE WATER RESOURCE CHALLENGES.
5:33:50PM BUT THE LAST POINT I WANTED TO MAKE ON COST IS THE IMPACT TO
5:33:53PM THE BILL.
5:33:54PM I THINK WE HAVE GOT A LONG HISTORY OF MAKING SURE WE ARE
5:33:59PM PROVIDING GOOD QUALITY WATER AT A FAIR PRICE.
5:34:03PM THIS CHART, AND I APOLOGIZE IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO READ, BUT
5:34:06PM IT SHOWS THAT OUR WATER BILL IS ROUGHLY HALF OF WHAT'S IN
5:34:09PM THE REGION NOW, AND I BELIEVE THIS CHART IS ACCURATE AS TO
5:34:17PM OCTOBER OF 2021.
5:34:19PM AND THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF RATE INCREASES AT THE OTHER
5:34:23PM UTILITIES.
5:34:25PM AND IN TALKING TO THE STAFF AT OTHER UTILITIES, THERE'S NEED
5:34:28PM TO CONTINUE TO INCREASE THEIR RATES AS WELL.
5:34:31PM AND THIS IS SIMILAR CHALLENGES, RISING COST ON PROJECTS DUE
5:34:35PM TO INFLATION.
5:34:36PM SO THE BOTTOM LINE TO MAKE AT THIS POINT IS WE ARE NOT GOING
5:34:40PM TO PROPOSE ANY SOLUTION TO THESE PROJECTS THAT SEND OUR BILL
5:34:46PM OUT OR THE IMPACT ON THE BILL.
5:34:47PM WE ARE NOT GOING TO ASK FOR A SOLUTION THAT'S NOT
5:34:50PM AFFORDABLE.
5:34:52PM THAT'S NOT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
5:34:54PM WE FULLY INTEND TO KEEP OUR RATES AT A REASONABLE RATE LIKE
5:34:58PM YOU SEE HERE.
5:35:01PM I JUST WANT TO SPEAK REAL QUICK TO WATER QUALITY TREATMENT
5:35:04PM AND SAFETY.
5:35:05PM YOU KNOW, SAFE WATER IS ACHIEVABLE AND AFFORDABLE AND WE
5:35:09PM HAVE BEEN DEMONSTRATING THIS FOR DECADES.
5:35:12PM THERE ARE EXISTING WASTEWATER DISCHARGES UPSTREAM OF OUR
5:35:16PM WATER SUPPLY RIGHT NOW.
5:35:18PM PLANT CITY DISCHARGES INTO THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER ABOVE
5:35:22PM WHERE WE TAKE THE WATER OUT AND WHERE TAMPA BAY WATER TAKES
5:35:25PM THE WATER OUT AND BYPASS.
5:35:27PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY DISCHARGES WASTEWATER UPSTREAM OF THE
5:35:31PM TAMPA BAY WATER INTAKE ON THE ALAFIA RIVER.
5:35:35PM SO THESE CONCEPTS AND THE TREATMENT PROCESSES USED TO
5:35:38PM ADDRESS THESE TYPES OF CHALLENGES, THEY ARE NOT NEW, AND WE
5:35:42PM HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL AT IT FOR DECADES.
5:35:44PM AND THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THAT OUR GOAL
5:35:47PM IS NOT JUST TO MEET REGULATIONS.
5:35:50PM WE HAVE GOT A PHILOSOPHY OF EXCEEDING REGULATORY
5:35:53PM REQUIREMENTS.
5:35:54PM I ALWAYS LIKE TO POINT TO OUR EXAMPLE OF BEING A FOUNDING
5:35:57PM MEMBER OF THE PARTNERSHIP FOR SAFE WATER, WHERE WE SUBMIT
5:36:01PM DATA ON AN ANNUAL BASIS TO SHOW THAT WE ARE CONTINUALLY
5:36:05PM IMPROVING.
5:36:05PM THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THAT WE ARE ACTIVE
5:36:10PM IN AN INDUSTRY OF EXPERTS ON THIS TOPIC, AND THAT THERE IS A
5:36:16PM VERY HIGH LEVEL OF REGULATORY OVERSIGHT ON THESE PROCESSES.
5:36:20PM I WANT TO GIVE A VERY SPECIFIC EXAMPLE.
5:36:24PM YESTERDAY I WAS ATTENDING A REGIONAL MEETING THAT TAMPA BAY
5:36:27PM WATER HOSTED, AND THERE WERE DIRECTORS AND WATER QUALITY
5:36:32PM EXPERTS FROM ALL THE UTILITIES.
5:36:35PM AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE REGULATIONS AND WHERE THEY ARE
5:36:40PM AT.
5:36:41PM AND I THINK I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS COUNCIL
5:36:44PM UNDERSTANDS THAT THOSE REGULATIONS ARE MOVING FORWARD.
5:36:48PM IN FACT, PENNSYLVANIA ADOPTED REGULATIONS I THINK WITHIN THE
5:36:52PM LAST WEEK, AND WE DO HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH PFAS AND PFOA
5:36:59PM CAN BE LEFT IN THE WATER AND CONSIDERED SAFE.
5:37:01PM AND WE HAVE THESE GUIDEPOSTS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT FROM
5:37:04PM PENNSYLVANIA, TO THE UPPER SINGLE DIGITS OF WHERE THESE
5:37:08PM REGULATIONS ARE DIALING IN.
5:37:10PM AND THAT IS GOOD NEWS FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
5:37:13PM WE HAVE TESTED PFAS, AND WE DON'T WAIT FOR REGULATIONS TO
5:37:18PM FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE AN ISSUE.
5:37:20PM RIGHT NOW IN THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, WE HAVE BEEN MEASURING
5:37:23PM SOMEWHERE AROUND 3 TO 5 PARTS PER TRILLION, WHICH IS AN
5:37:27PM EXTREMELY LOW NUMBER, AND THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAVE TO
5:37:31PM MEASURE THAT ONLY GOES DOWN TO 2 PARTS PER TRILLION.
5:37:35PM WE CAN'T MEASURE LOWER THAN THAT.
5:37:37PM SO WE ARE BARELY AT THE DETECTABLE LIMIT.
5:37:40PM BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE LEVELS IN OUR WATER ARE LOWER THAN
5:37:44PM WHAT THE REGULATIONS MAY BE, AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE
5:37:49PM SHOULDN'T STILL LOOK AT WHAT WE NEED TO TREAT, BECAUSE
5:37:52PM THINGS CAN CHANGE, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE AN
5:37:55PM EFFECTIVE TREATMENT PROCESS.
5:37:57PM BUT IT DOES POINT TO THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE WITH THE
5:38:02PM UTILITY EXPERTS AND THE DIRECTORS ON WATER QUALITY. THESE
5:38:07PM ARE THE KIND OF DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE ALL THE TIME.
5:38:10PM AND I JUST WANTED TO PAINT A PICTURE THAT WE ARE NOT JUST
5:38:13PM OPERATING IN A VACUUM HERE AT THE CITY OF TAMPA AND STAYING
5:38:16PM AHEAD OF THE REGULATIONS AND THE SAFETY AND WATER QUALITY
5:38:20PM ARE PARAMOUNT IMPORTANCE TO WHAT WE HAVE DONE, ONE YEAR SHY
5:38:25PM OF 100 YEARS AT THE TIPPIN PLANT.
5:38:28PM THE LAST THING I WANTED TO ADDRESS IS ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
5:38:32PM I WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE WILL BE DOING DETAILED
5:38:35PM MODELING.
5:38:36PM WE HAVE ALREADY DONE SOME UNDER SOME OF THE PREVIOUS
5:38:38PM PROJECTS.
5:38:39PM BUT IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE IF WE MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE
5:38:43PM EXCELLENT QUALITY OF THE HOWARD F. CURREN PLANT TO THE BAY,
5:38:49PM WE'LL DO DETAILED MODELING TO MAKE SURE WE FIGURE OUT HOW
5:38:50PM DOES THAT EFFECT THINGS?
5:38:51PM IF WE END UP PUTTING RECLAIMED WATER IN THE RIVER, WHETHER
5:38:54PM IT'S DOWNSTREAM OF THE DAM, UPSTREAM OF THE DAM OR REALLY
5:38:59PM ANYWHERE, THERE'S A LOT OF DETAILED MODELING THAT WE WILL
5:39:04PM DO, AND WE HAVE ALREADY DONE SOME, AND AS FAR AS OTHER
5:39:08PM IMPACTS AND THE WAY WE ADDRESS THOSE IS THE PILOT TESTING,
5:39:12PM THE SIX PILOT IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF PILOT TESTING.
5:39:16PM THEN I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT OUR GOAL IS TO MEET DRINKING
5:39:19PM WATER STANDARD GOING INTO THE ENVIRONMENT.
5:39:21PM THAT IS WHAT DEP IS LOOKING FOR WHEN THEY ARE PERMITTING
5:39:25PM THESE FACILITIES.
5:39:26PM AND THEY ARE STARTING TO PERMIT THESE FACILITIES RIGHT NOW
5:39:29PM THROUGHOUT THE STATE.
5:39:30PM SO I LOOK FORWARD TO FEBRUARY 23rd WHEN WE CAN TALK
5:39:34PM ABOUT THESE THINGS IN A LOT MORE DETAIL.
5:39:36PM AND I THINK WITH THAT I WILL JUST END AND TAKE ANY QUESTIONS
5:39:41PM YOU HAVE.
5:39:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:39:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM GOING TO SAVE MY QUESTIONS FOR THE MORE
5:39:47PM ROBUST CONVERSATION WE HAVE ON THE 23rd.
5:39:50PM THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION.
5:39:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS?
5:39:57PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:39:57PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST SOMETHING QUICK.
5:40:00PM FOR YOU ALL WHO SEE MY FRUSTRATION, ANYBODY ON TV SEES MY
5:40:03PM FRUSTRATION, I WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW MY FRUSTRATION IS NOT
5:40:06PM WITH CHUCK AND JEAN AND THEIR STAFF.
5:40:09PM THEY SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH ME AND ALSO THE STAKEHOLDERS
5:40:11PM OUT THERE.
5:40:13PM IT'S MORE OF A POLICY PHILOSOPHICAL DECISION ABOUT THAT.
5:40:17PM AND I AM VERY FRUSTRATED WITH THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY AND
5:40:20PM OTHER THINGS.
5:40:21PM I KNOW YOU ALL ARE DOING YOUR BEST.
5:40:22PM YOU ARE TRYING.
5:40:23PM YOU WORK WITH SID ON THE DEP LETTER AND OTHER THINGS, AND
5:40:28PM YOU ALL HAVE HAD LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS WITH ME, AND I KNOW
5:40:33PM YOU ARE DOING YOUR BEST AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
5:40:35PM THANK YOU.
5:40:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, CHUCK.
5:40:39PM ALWAYS A GENTLEMAN.
5:40:41PM I MESSED UP MY QUOTES.
5:40:45PM THE QUOTE I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER WAS FROM SUN TZU FROM
5:40:49PM "THE ART OF WAR."
5:40:53PM AND THAT IS, WHO WISHES TO FIGHT MUST FIRST COUNT WHAT COST.
5:41:00PM THE STATEMENT I MADE WAS FROM LUIS VIERA'S HERO, RAMBO,
5:41:07PM DON'T ENTER INTO A WAR YOU CANNOT WIN.
5:41:10PM WE HAVE AN APPLICANT THAT IS IN THE LIBRARY USING THEIR
5:41:13PM WI-FI AND THAT LIBRARY IS GOING TO CLOSE IN 20 MINUTES.
5:41:17PM SO I AM SUGGESTING WE GO TO AGENDA ITEM 57 SO WE CAN HELP
5:41:21PM OUT THAT APPLICANT.
5:41:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM 57.
5:41:32PM THE APPLICANT.
5:41:32PM YES, SIR, I SEE YOU THERE.
5:41:34PM IF YOU COULD PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND SO WE CAN SWEAR
5:41:36PM YOU IN.
5:41:49PM PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF SO WE CAN HEAR YOUR VOICE.
5:41:50PM >>ROSS SAMONS: I NEED TO BE SWORN IN, PLEASE.
5:41:55PM ROSS SAMMONS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
5:42:04PM PRESENTING FILE NUMBER VAC 23-01. THE APPLICANT IS
5:42:09PM TRUCAPITAL GROUP LLC, PROPERTY ADDRESS, 4501 NORTH HIGHLAND
5:42:20PM AVENUE, TO VACATE THE ALLEY LYING NORTH OF EMMA STREET,
5:42:21PM SOUTH OF CAYUGA STREET, EAST OF HIGHLAND AVENUE, WEST OF
5:42:25PM FLORIDA AVENUE.
5:42:25PM THIS APPLICATION WAS FILED WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA ON OCTOBER
5:42:33PM 20th, 2022.
5:42:35PM APPLICANT OWNS PROPERTY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ALLEYWAY.
5:42:38PM THE PLACE TO BE VACATED.
5:42:41PM THE APPLICANT'S REASON FOR THE APPLICATION IS TO RENOVATE --
5:42:44PM THE ALLEY WAS CREATED BY SUBDIVISION PLAT.
5:42:47PM EXISTING ALLEYWAY IS APPROXIMATELY 6,850 SQUARE FEET.
5:42:55PM THE PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST IN YELLOW. THE ALLEY IS IN
5:42:59PM YELLOW.
5:43:00PM AND THE OWNER'S PROPERTY IN RED.
5:43:05PM AGAIN, THIS IS THE PROPOSED REQUEST OF THE ALLEY, AND MOVING
5:43:09PM NORTH IN THE SOUTH SECTION HERE, AND THAT IS NOT TO BE
5:43:11PM VACATED.
5:43:19PM CITY OF TAMPA ATLAS SHEET SHOWING THE ALLEY IN RED.
5:43:22PM AGAIN THE NORTH SOUTH SECTION OF THE VACATED.
5:43:25PM AND SHOWN PREVIOUS VACATING IN THE AREA.
5:43:34PM THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY.
5:43:41PM THIS IS THE ALLEYWAY LOOKING EAST FROM NORTH HIGHLAND
5:43:45PM AVENUE.
5:43:53PM THIS IS LOOKING NORTH SOUTH SECTION OF THE ALLEYWAY NOT TO
5:43:59PM BE VACATED FROM EMMA STREET.
5:44:03PM STAFF HAD NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS VACATING REQUEST.
5:44:05PM EASEMENT RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED BY STORMWATER AND
5:44:08PM WASTEWATER.
5:44:09PM NATURAL RESOURCES, FILE CHAPTER 27 WITH REGARD TO TREE
5:44:13PM PRESERVATION.
5:44:14PM THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
5:44:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:44:16PM YES, SIR.
5:44:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
5:44:24PM DO WE HAVE A PETITIONER HERE?
5:44:28PM PETITIONER, ARE YOU THERE?
5:44:29PM >> YES.
5:44:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:44:33PM YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND TO BE SWORN IN?
5:44:35PM HE HAS BEEN SWORN IN.
5:44:36PM OKAY, THANK YOU.
5:44:37PM THANK YOU.
5:44:38PM PLEASE, PETITIONER, PROCEED.
5:44:45PM SIR, CAN YOU PLEASE TELL US WHY YOU WANT THIS?
5:44:55PM >> [ INAUDIBLE ]
5:45:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DOES THAT FINISH YOUR PRESENTATION?
5:45:14PM >> YES.
5:45:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER?
5:45:18PM SIR, I HEARD YOU SAY YOU WERE GOING TO BUILD AN ADU,
5:45:23PM ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
5:45:24PM THE PEOPLE THAT ARE -- THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE
5:45:27PM LIVING IN THAT ADU, WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PARK THEIR CARS
5:45:31PM AT?
5:45:33PM >> TO THE RIGHT.
5:45:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SO THEY ARE GOING TO BE NOT PARKING ON THE
5:45:38PM STREET, THEY ARE GOING TO BE PARKING ON YOUR PROPERTY?
5:45:41PM >> IN THE DRIVEWAY.
5:45:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IN THE DRIVEWAY, NOT COVERING ANY SIDEWALK.
5:45:47PM >> NO, NO.
5:45:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: OKAY, THANK YOU.
5:45:50PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
5:45:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I SAW SOMETHING IN THE TIMES THE OTHER
5:45:59PM DAY, 600 SQUARE FOOT, AND ABOUT $400 A FOOT, LIVABLE 400.
5:46:05PM SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOUR TAXES ARE GOING TO BE.
5:46:10PM BUT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE ONE METER, ONE ELECTRIC METER OR
5:46:14PM TWO ELECTRIC METERS?
5:46:16PM >> [DISTORTION] ONE ELECTRIC METER.
5:46:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: TWO ELECTRIC METERS.
5:46:20PM >> ONE ELECTRIC METER.
5:46:21PM ONE.
5:46:21PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT ABOUT WATER METER?
5:46:24PM >> ONE WATER METER.
5:46:27PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO YOU ARE GOING TO RENT IT OUT?
5:46:32PM >> [ INAUDIBLE ]
5:46:40PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I MISSED THAT.
5:46:42PM I DIDN'T QUITE HEAR.
5:46:46PM RENT THE ADU OR SELL IT?
5:46:49PM >> GOING TO SELL BOTH OF THEM.
5:46:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU ARE GOING TO SELL BOTH OF THEM.
5:46:56PM THANK YOU.
5:46:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:47:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WAS JUST GOING TO SPEAK AFTER PUBLIC
5:47:18PM COMMENT.
5:47:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THERE ANYONE IN CHAMBERS THAT WISHES TO
5:47:21PM SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 57, VAC 23-01?
5:47:30PM WHAT THE IS PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
5:47:32PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
5:47:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
5:47:37PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
5:47:38PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
5:47:42PM WHO WOULD LIKE TO READ THIS?
5:47:44PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
5:47:50PM FURTHER COMMENTS?
5:47:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE
5:47:55PM GENERALLY SPEAKING IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS WE DON'T SUPPORT
5:47:58PM CLOSING ALLEYS.
5:48:00PM IT'S NOT SOMETHING THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORTS.
5:48:01PM SO I AM NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS.
5:48:06PM I THINK WE CLOSE WAY TOO MANY ALLEYS IN THE CITY BECAUSE AS
5:48:10PM WE ADD THESE ADUS AND OTHER TYPES OF HOUSING WE CAN HAVE
5:48:13PM PEOPLE GET TO THEM THROUGH THE BACK, AND GETTING RID OF ALL
5:48:17PM THESE ALLEYS IN AREAS WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY BE USED TO
5:48:23PM REACH HOUSES, IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT I AM GOING TO
5:48:27PM SUPPORT.
5:48:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF I MAY, YOU HEARD ME LAST NIGHT AT A
5:48:35PM PUBLIC FORUM WHERE I SAID THE ONLY WAY ADUs IS GOING TO
5:48:39PM WORK IS IF WE CANCAN CAN PARK OR ENTER FROM THE REAR, AND I
5:48:43PM CAN'T SUPPORT THIS AS IS.
5:48:45PM WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
5:48:49PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
5:48:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR THE FIRST
5:48:52PM READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA,
5:48:53PM FLORIDA VACATES CLOSING, DISCONTINUING THE ALLEYWAY LOCATED
5:48:58PM NORTH OF EMMA STREET, SOUTH OF CAYUGA STREET, EAST OF
5:49:02PM HIGHLAND AVENUE AND WEST OF FLORIDA AVENUE WITHIN THE PLAT
5:49:04PM OF MEADOW BROOK SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
5:49:06PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY ASK AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2
5:49:10PM HEREIN SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS CONDITIONS AND
5:49:13PM RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN PROVIDING
5:49:16PM FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS PROVIDING FOR
5:49:19PM DEFINITIONS INTERPRETATIONS AND REPEALING CONFLICT PROVIDING
5:49:21PM FOR SEVERABILITY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
5:49:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
5:49:26PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
5:49:27PM >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
5:49:32PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
5:49:33PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
5:49:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
5:49:36PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
5:49:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO.
5:49:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
5:49:40PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION FAILED WITH CARLSON, MIRANDA, HURTAK
5:49:43PM AND CITRO VOTING NO.
5:49:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HANG ON.
5:49:57PM MR. SHELBY.
5:49:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE MOTION FAILED.
5:50:03PM WOULD YOU PLEASE MAKE A SUBSEQUENT MOTION TO DENY?
5:50:08PM AND YOU MAY HAVE A BASIS FOR THAT SO IT WILL BE IN THE
5:50:10PM RECORD.
5:50:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCIL?
5:50:17PM >> MAY I SAY SOMETHING?
5:50:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: OUR DISCUSSION IS NOW CLOSED.
5:50:23PM WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
5:50:24PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, I KNOW
5:50:31PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK STATED HER BASIS, IF THAT'S PART OF THE
5:50:35PM MOTION, AND IF THERE'S ANY OTHER FACTS THAT COUNCIL WISHES.
5:50:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DENY AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
5:50:41PM FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF
5:50:44PM TAMPA, FLORIDA VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING -- OH, GOSH,
5:50:50PM I'M SORRY, THE WRONG ONE.
5:50:51PM MY APOLOGIES.
5:50:52PM FILE VAC 23-01, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
5:50:58PM CONSIDERATION, I AM DENYING OR -- SORRY, IT'S BEEN A LONG
5:51:06PM DAY -- MOTION TO CITIZEN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA,
5:51:08PM FLORIDA VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING, AND ABANDONING THE
5:51:13PM ALLEYWAY LOCATED NORTH OF EMMA STREET, SOUTH OF CAYUGA
5:51:16PM STREET, EAST OF HIGHLAND AVENUE AND WEST OF FLORIDA AVENUE
5:51:19PM WITHIN THE PLAT OF MEADOW WOOD SUBDIVISION, IN THE CITY OF
5:51:22PM TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FLORIDA AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED
5:51:24PM IN SECTION 2 HEREOF SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS, CONDITIONS
5:51:29PM AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN -- I
5:51:31PM GUESS I DON'T NEED TO READ ALL OF THAT.
5:51:34PM FOR VIOLATIONS FOR INTERPRETATIONS, DEFINITIONS -- YES, SO I
5:51:41PM AM DENYING IT, AND THE RATIONALE BEHIND IS THAT WE NEED TO
5:51:49PM ENCOURAGE MORE WAYS TO REACH -- SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A MORE
5:51:57PM VARIED HOUSING STOCK WITHIN THE CITY AND IF WE KEEP CLOSING
5:52:09PM THESE ALLEYS WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THAT POSSIBILITY AWAY.
5:52:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SECONDED BY
5:52:16PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:52:18PM DISCUSSION.
5:52:18PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
5:52:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
5:52:24PM >>LUIS VIERA: NO.
5:52:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
5:52:29PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
5:52:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
5:52:31PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
5:52:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
5:52:35PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH -- GUDES, VIERA,
5:52:45PM MANISCALCO VOTING NO.
5:52:47PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE COUNCIL HAS TWO VOTES.
5:52:57PM THE FIRST MOTION WAS TO APPROVE. THAT FAILED TO GET THE
5:52:58PM NECESSARY FOUR VOTES.
5:53:02PM THAT WAS FOLLOWED BY A MOTION TO DENY YOUR APPLICATION, AND
5:53:06PM THAT WAS PASSED BY A MOTION OF FOUR VOTES.
5:53:08PM SO CITY COUNCIL'S FINAL ACTION IS TO NOT ACCEPT YOUR
5:53:14PM PETITION AND THE VACATION WAS NOT GRANTED BY THE CITY
5:53:18PM COUNCIL.
5:53:18PM >> CAN I SAY SOMETHING?
5:53:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY SUGGESTION IS YOU TALK WITH STAFF, AND
5:53:29PM YOU DO HAVE CERTAIN RIGHTS TO APPEAL, THAT'S YOUR DECISION.
5:53:35PM I CANNOT ADVISE YOU ABOUT THAT.
5:53:36PM COUNCIL, I REMIND YOU THAT YOU HAVE A 30-DAY APPEAL PERIOD
5:53:44PM FROM THE TIME THE PETITIONER IS NOTIFIED.
5:53:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
5:53:48PM WE ARE GOING BACK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14.
5:53:55PM FILE NUMBER CM 22-77270.
5:54:04PM MR. CARLSON, THIS IS YOUR MOTION.
5:54:07PM >>MARCELLA HAMILTON: ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
5:54:11PM ON SEPTEMBER 1st, YOU PROVIDED A MOTION ASKING THAT
5:54:15PM LEGAL PRESENT A REPORT REGARDING A PROHIBITION ON LOBBYING
5:54:19PM BY ENTITIES THAT RECEIVE CITY FUNDS TO PREVENT THEM FROM
5:54:24PM LOBBYING ON BEHALF OF THIRD PARTIES.
5:54:27PM I PROVIDED A REPORT IN REGARD TO THIS.
5:54:31PM WE DO HAVE, FROM WHAT I CAN GATHER, WE BASICALLY HAD TWO
5:54:36PM MEANS OF FUNDING FOR PROCUREMENTS AND ALSO PROVIDING FOR TWO
5:54:43PM ENTITIES, NONPROFITS.
5:54:46PM IT HASN'T BEEN STATED AS TO WHO YOU WISH TO PROHIBIT FROM
5:54:50PM LOBBYING.
5:54:57PM ADDITIONAL ISSUES IN REGARD TO NONPROFITS, CERTAIN
5:55:00PM NONPROFITS ARE ORGANIZED IN ORDER TO PROMOTE ECONOMIC GROWTH
5:55:09PM IN THE CITY, ALSO SOCIAL WELFARE.
5:55:11PM IF WE PROHIBIT THEM FROM LOBBYING ON BEHALF OF THOSE
5:55:14PM PARTIES, IT KIND OF PROHIBITS THE ACTIVITIES THAT THEY ARE
5:55:20PM ORGANIZED FOR. THAT'S AN ISSUE.
5:55:21PM SO OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE WHEN THEY HEAR ABOUT LOBBYING, THERE ARE
5:55:29PM ISSUES CONCERNING LOBBYING, WITH TRANSPARENCY.
5:55:35PM YOU ALSO PROBABLY DO WISH TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE AS FAR AS
5:55:39PM THEIR IDEAS CONCERNING HOW THAT IS FUNDED SO HAVE AN OPEN
5:55:45PM FORUM FOR THE WHOLE PUBLIC TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THEIR
5:55:50PM IDEAS.
5:55:52PM SO ONE OF THE BIGGEST ARGUMENTS IN REGARDS TO THIS IS FREE
5:55:59PM SPEECH UNDER THE FIRST AMENDMENT.
5:56:00PM CURRENTLY, THERE IS NO U.S. SUPREME COURT OPINION REGARDING
5:56:09PM NOT BEING DEEMED FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
5:56:11PM HOWEVER, THERE HAS BEEN VARIOUS CASES REGARDING PETITIONING,
5:56:18PM GRIEVANCES TO PROTECT AND EXTENDED TO RIGHTS CONCERNING JUST
5:56:23PM BRINGING VARIOUS MOTIONS TO COUNCIL OR GOVERNMENT ENTITIES,
5:56:28PM NOT JUST GRIEVANCES, JUST EXPRESSING THEIR OPINIONS.
5:56:32PM THERE HAVE BEEN VARIOUS DIFFERENT STANDARDS.
5:56:35PM FREE SPEECH HAS THREE DIFFERENT STANDARDS.
5:56:39PM WHEN WE GET INTO ABOUT TRULY PROHIBITING FREE SPEECH, IT
5:56:46PM DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU ARE PROHIBITING.
5:56:50PM IN THIS CASE, WE THINK THAT PERHAPS STRICT SCRUTINY WOULD
5:56:53PM COME INTO PLAY, SO THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME SORT OF
5:57:00PM ORDINANCE.
5:57:03PM WE DO HAVE PROVISIONS IN PLACE ALREADY REGARDING
5:57:07PM TRANSPARENCY, WHERE ALL LOBBYISTS DO HAVE TO REGISTER AND
5:57:11PM THEY ALSO HAVE TO FILE AN EXTENDED REPORT.
5:57:15PM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I? YOU ARE AN EXPERT IN THIS AREA.
5:57:24PM YEAH, MY CONCERN IS THE IMPRESSION THAT THE CITY WOULD FUND
5:57:30PM AN ORGANIZATION THAT WOULD THEN TURN AROUND AND LOBBY THE
5:57:33PM CITY, THAT THE CITY WOULD DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY PAY FOR
5:57:38PM LOBBYING.
5:57:39PM AND MY FIRM WORKING WITH OTHER GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATIONS HAS
5:57:41PM BEEN UNDER SIMILAR RESTRICTIONS.
5:57:43PM THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT.
5:57:45PM I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONES THEY WERE.
5:57:46PM BUT YOU HAVE DONE SOME RESEARCH AND THE ONES YOU LOOKED AT
5:57:50PM DIDN'T HAVE THAT.
5:57:50PM BUT I WILL DROP THIS ISSUE, BUT JUST TO GIVE KIND OF AN
5:57:57PM EXTREME EXAMPLE, WE HAVE HAD FOR EXAMPLE NONPROFITS THAT WE
5:58:03PM FIND ADVOCATE IN FAVOR OF VERY CONTROVERSIAL REAL ESTATE
5:58:05PM PROJECTS, AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD GIVE THE
5:58:09PM IMPRESSION -- LET ME ASK YOU AS AN EXTREME EXAMPLE AND THEN
5:58:13PM I WILL BE QUIET AND MOVE ON.
5:58:15PM LET'S SAY THERE WAS A NONPROFIT CALLED CITIZENS FOR BIKING
5:58:21PM WHILE BLACK, AND WE GAVE THEM $500,000, AND THAT THE
5:58:27PM $500,000 WAS NOT LOBBYING SOMETHING ELSE, BUT THEN THEY
5:58:31PM TURNED AROUND AND BROUGHT 100 PEOPLE EVERY WEEK AND SAY WE
5:58:33PM NEED BIKING WHILE BLACK.
5:58:35PM WOULD THERE BE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT?
5:58:39PM WE DIDN'T OFFICIALLY PAY FOR IT.
5:58:41PM MAYBE WE WERE PAYING FOR OFFICIALLY PAYING FOR BIKE LIGHTS
5:58:45PM OR SOMETHING.
5:58:45PM BUT THEN THAT ORGANIZATION SHOWS UP WITH 100 PEOPLE EVERY
5:58:49PM WEEK SAYING BIKING WHILE BLACK IS A GOOD THING.
5:58:52PM IS THAT ALLOWED UNDER OUR RULES NOW?
5:58:55PM >>MARCELLA HAMILTON: IT WOULD BE ALLOWED AS IT STANDS NOW,
5:58:57PM YES.
5:58:59PM >>BILL CARLSON: THAT'S AN EXTREME EXAMPLE, BUT WHEN A
5:59:01PM NONPROFIT RECEIVES A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY FROM THE CITY, IS
5:59:04PM LOBBYING US IN FAVOR OF A CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE, I HAVE
5:59:06PM CONCERNS ABOUT IT. IF THEY ARE NOT GETTING MONEY, THAT'S
5:59:14PM FINE.
5:59:14PM THANK YOU.
5:59:14PM >> ANYONE ELSE?
5:59:16PM COMMENTS, QUESTIONS?
5:59:21PM I BELIEVE THIS IS YOUR MOTION.
5:59:23PM ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THE REPORT?
5:59:26PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:59:26PM >>MARCELLA HAMILTON: THANK YOU.
5:59:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: CAN I HAVE SOMEONE PLEASE MAKE A MOTION TO
5:59:31PM CONTINUE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 57?
5:59:36PM I'M SORRY, 59.
5:59:37PM MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
5:59:41PM I'M SORRY, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO THE
5:59:44PM CONTINUANCE ONLY?
5:59:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: TO WHAT DATE AND TIME?
5:59:48PM I SEE MS. PETTIS-MACKLE HERE.
5:59:50PM THERE WAS A MEMO ABOUT THAT.
5:59:52PM WHAT WAS THE DATE?
5:59:54PM APRIL 20th.
5:59:54PM THANK YOU.
5:59:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DO WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE IN COUNCIL
5:59:59PM CHAMBERS?
6:00:05PM MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
6:00:06PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
6:00:08PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
6:00:09PM ANY OPPOSED?
6:00:10PM THANK YOU.
6:00:19PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15.
6:00:22PM FILE CM 22-78639.
6:00:26PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: CITY ATTORNEY.
6:00:35PM URSULA RICHARDSON IN THE LITIGATION GROUP HAD TO LEAVE.
6:00:44PM SHE AND I PREPARED THIS MEMORANDUM TOGETHER.
6:00:46PM BASICALLY THE QUESTION, COUNCILMAN CARLSON RAISED A QUESTION
6:00:50PM ABOUT WHETHER THERE WAS ANY NEED TO RETROACTIVELY APPROVE
6:00:54PM SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS THAT WERE NOT BROUGHT BEFORE COUNCIL
6:00:58PM DURING THE PERIOD OF TIME BETWEEN 2018 AND THIS NEW
6:01:03PM AMENDMENT TO THE CODE THAT YOU ALL APPROVED LAST WEEK.
6:01:06PM BASICALLY, WE EXPLAINED A COUPLE OF THINGS.
6:01:09PM ONE IS THAT SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS PER SAY, THAT BEING A TWO
6:01:19PM PARTY AGREEMENT EXECUTED BY THE CITY AND THE PARTY THAT SUED
6:01:19PM THE CITY, ARE EXTREMELY RARE.
6:01:23PM I AM ONLY AWARE OF ONE SUCH AGREEMENT SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE
6:01:27PM FOR 3-PLUS YEARS NOW.
6:01:31PM TYPICALLY WHEN A CASE IS SETTLED, THE PARTY THAT SUES THE
6:01:35PM CITY SIGNS A RELEASE, ONLY SIGNED BY THEM, NOT BY THE CITY,
6:01:39PM AND THE CITY GIVES THEM A CHECK, AND THAT'S THE AGREEMENT.
6:01:41PM THERE IS NO, AGAIN, TWO-PARTY AGREEMENT.
6:01:44PM SO PART OF THE QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND
6:01:55PM RETROACTIVELY APPROVE THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS?
6:01:58PM THERE ARE NONE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ONE I'M AWARE OF.
6:02:02PM BUT THE OTHER THING, THE OTHER POINT THAT WE TRIED TO MAKE
6:02:05PM IN THIS MEMORANDUM IS THERE'S NO REASON, THERE'S NO LEGAL
6:02:09PM EXPOSURE THE CITY FACES AS A RESULT OF THOSE AGREEMENTS
6:02:15PM HAVING NOT BEEN TO COUNCIL, IN OUR OPINION.
6:02:17PM SO THERE REALLY IS NO NEED TO RETROACTIVELY APPROVE -- FOR
6:02:25PM CITY COUNCIL TO RETROACTIVELY APPROVE SETTLEMENTS THAT WERE
6:02:28PM MADE DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME WHEN SETTLEMENTS WERE NOT
6:02:31PM BEING BROUGHT TO COUNCIL.
6:02:32PM >>BILL CARLSON: THIS IS MY ITEM.
6:02:36PM I THINK IT WAS MY ITEM.
6:02:37PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: IT WAS.
6:02:40PM >>BILL CARLSON: AND I APPRECIATE YOU ALL LOOKING THROUGH
6:02:44PM THIS.
6:02:44PM I WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.
6:02:45PM I SAW COUNSEL OUTSIDE FROM MY OWN ATTORNEYS, WHICH I PAID
6:02:49PM FOR, AND THEIR ADVICE WAS BRING THIS QUESTION FORWARD SO
6:02:53PM THAT I AT LEAST FELT I WAS DOING MY DUE DILIGENCE IN
6:03:00PM BRINGING THIS FORWARD AND MAKING SURE THAT I DID EVERYTHING
6:03:03PM I COULD TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY, AND REGARDLESS
6:03:07PM OF WHATEVER ADVICE I HAVE FROM THEM, WE NOW HAVE AN OFFICIAL
6:03:11PM OPINION FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND THAT'S ENOUGH FOR ME.
6:03:13PM THANK YOU.
6:03:14PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THEN THE FINAL THING IS YOU ASKED A
6:03:16PM QUESTION ABOUT BEING ABLE TO LOOK AT SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS
6:03:20PM OR RELEASES OR RECORDS REGARDING SETTLEMENTS, AND AS I SAID
6:03:25PM IN THE MEMORANDUM,
6:03:27PM CERTAINLY, UPON REASONABLE REQUESTS, OBVIOUSLY, IT TAKES
6:03:31PM TIME TO PULL DOCUMENTS TOGETHER AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
6:03:35PM BUT YOU AND I HAVE DISCUSSED THIS.
6:03:37PM WE ARE HAPPY TO MAKE THOSE DOCUMENTS AVAILABLE SHOULD
6:03:39PM COUNCIL WANT TO SIT DOWN WITH US AND REVIEW A PARTICULAR
6:03:44PM TIME PERIOD, A PARTICULAR CASE, WHATEVER.
6:03:47PM WE ARE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
6:03:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
6:03:51PM >>BILL CARLSON: AND YOU ALL SEPARATELY APPROVED A MOTION TO
6:03:54PM ASK STAFF TO ALLOW ME TO LOOK AT THESE AND WE ARE OFFICERS
6:03:59PM OF THE CITY AND SHOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT.
6:04:01PM I TALKED TO MS. ZELMAN.
6:04:02PM SHE SAID NO PROBLEM.
6:04:04PM AND WE ARE SCHEDULING THE TIME.
6:04:05PM I HAVE GIVEN HER A MORE NARROW SCOPE OF WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO
6:04:08PM LOOK AT AND I HAVE OFFERED TO GO TO HER OFFICE SO I AM NOT
6:04:11PM COPYING ANY DOCUMENTS OR CARRYING THEM OUTSIDE OF HER OFFICE
6:04:14PM SO WE DON'T CREATE LIABILITY FOR THE CITY.
6:04:16PM BUT THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH ME ON THAT.
6:04:18PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THANK YOU.
6:04:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16.
6:04:25PM FILE CM 22-73825.
6:04:47PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL.
6:04:48PM MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY HERE ON ITEM NUMBER 16
6:04:53PM TO APPEAR AND REPORT ON MY ADVICE REGARDING CREATING AN
6:04:56PM ORDINANCE TO PROTECT ELECTED OFFICIALS SUED UNDER CHAPTER
6:04:59PM 119.
6:05:00PM COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE TO BE BRIEF, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO
6:05:04PM CREATE THE SETTING FOR THE CONTEXT OF THIS DISCUSSION, AND I
6:05:07PM WOULD LIKE TO READ A QUOTE FROM ONE OF THE CASES THAT
6:05:11PM ADDRESSES THIS SORT OF ISSUE.
6:05:13PM IT'S CALLED THORNBURG VERSUS CITY OF FORT WALTON BEACH.
6:05:17PM IT'S A FLORIDA SUPREME COURT CASE FROM 1990.
6:05:20PM I'M GOING TO LEAVE OUT THE CITATIONS IN THERE, BUT I WANT TO
6:05:23PM READ THE STATEMENT OF THE COURT JUST TO CREATE THE CONTEXT
6:05:26PM FOR THIS DISCUSSION.
6:05:26PM IT SAYS, FLORIDA COURTS HAVE LONG RECOGNIZED THAT PUBLIC
6:05:31PM OFFICIALS ARE ENTITLED TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION AT PUBLIC
6:05:36PM EXPENSE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES AGAINST LITIGATION ARISING FROM
6:05:40PM THE PERFORMANCE OF THEIR OFFICIAL DUTIES WHILE SERVING A
6:05:43PM PUBLIC PURPOSE.
6:05:44PM THE PURPOSE OF THIS COMMON-LAW RULE IS TO AVOID THE CHILLING
6:05:51PM EFFECT THAT A DENIAL OF REPRESENTATION MIGHT HAVE ON PUBLIC
6:05:57PM OFFICIALS IN PERFORMING THEIR DUTIES PROPERLY AND
6:06:00PM DILIGENTLY.
6:06:02PM THIS ENTITLEMENT TO ATTORNEYS' FEES ARISES INDEPENDENT OF
6:06:07PM STATUTE, ORDINANCE, OR CHARTER.
6:06:11PM FOR PUBLIC OFFICIALS TO BE ENTITLED TO REPRESENTATION AT
6:06:14PM PUBLIC EXPENSE, THE LITIGATION MUST, ONE, ARISE OUT OF OR IN
6:06:21PM CONNECTION WITH THE PERFORMANCE OF THEIR OFFICIAL DUTIES.
6:06:24PM AND, TWO, SERVE A PUBLIC PURPOSE.
6:06:27PM AND ONE OF THE CASES THAT THEY ACTUALLY CITE IS A CITY OF
6:06:31PM TAMPA CASE, CHAVEZ VERSUS CITY OF TAMPA, THE SECOND DCA FROM
6:06:37PM 1990.
6:06:38PM AND SOMETIME I HAD HEARD COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA TALK ABOUT
6:06:41PM THAT CASE.
6:06:42PM THAT BEING THE CASE, COUNCIL, MY ADVICE AFTER LOOKING AT
6:06:49PM ORDINANCES AND POLICIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE IS THAT IT IS
6:06:54PM MY RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU FORMALIZE THIS POLICY, THAT THIS
6:07:01PM COUNCIL CREATE A DECLARATION OF PUBLIC POLICY THAT STATES
6:07:07PM THAT THIS CITY ADOPTS, WHICH ULTIMATELY ILL PUT ON RECORD
6:07:14PM AND SET FORTH THE PROCESSES FOR THIS CITY TO BE ABLE TO
6:07:20PM PROTECT ITS ELECTED OFFICIALS NOT ONLY FOR PUBLIC RECORDS
6:07:23PM VIOLATIONS OR ALLEGATIONS OF MISCONDUCT, BUT LITIGATION OR
6:07:30PM ANY KIND OF PROCEEDING, AND THERE ARE INSTANCES THAT THE
6:07:36PM JURISDICTIONS THROUGHOUT THE STATE, MUNICIPALITIES AND
6:07:39PM COUNTIES, HAVE FORMALIZED THESE AND HAVE ADDRESSED CERTAIN
6:07:43PM QUESTIONS THAT YOUR ORDINANCE THAT I AM VERY HAPPY TO HELP
6:07:49PM CRAFT AND BRING BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AND CERTAINLY WORKING
6:07:53PM WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND MS. ZELMAN AND I HAVE DISCUSSED
6:07:56PM THIS, AND I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.
6:07:59PM ONE OF THE THINGS, AND THE MOST IMPORTANT THING I THINK
6:08:02PM WOULD BE A DECLARATION OF POLICY, THE CRITERIA.
6:08:06PM AND WE CAN ALSO WORK ON THINGS LIKE THE DEFINITION, LIKE
6:08:09PM WHAT CONSTITUTES SUBSTANTIALLY PREVAILED.
6:08:13PM WHEN DOES IT APPLY?
6:08:14PM NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO -- I INITIALLY HAD SOME
6:08:20PM RESERVATIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS -- I HAD A BAR
6:08:26PM CONFLICT WITH THIS BECAUSE OF POSITIONS THAT I HAVE BEEN IN
6:08:32PM IN THE PAST.
6:08:34PM BUT, FRANKLY, I HAD A REALIZATION AFTER TALKING WITH SEVERAL
6:08:38PM LAWYERS, COUNCIL, THAT I HAVE A UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE RIGHT NOW
6:08:45PM AFTER SEEING WHAT THIS COUNCIL HAS GONE THROUGH IN THE PAST
6:08:49PM YEAR, AND I HAVE HAD A UNIQUE INSIGHT AND PERSPECTIVE, BOTH
6:08:54PM BEING FAMILIAR WITH THE FACTS THAT EVOLVED TO BRING THIS
6:08:58PM DISCUSSION FORWARD.
6:08:59PM ALSO, THE EFFECT ON THE CITY COUNCIL, THE EFFECT ON YOUR
6:09:03PM ABILITY TO DILIGENTLY SERVE THE PEOPLE, AND I THINK WHAT
6:09:08PM THIS CITY COUNCIL HAS TO AVOID IS A CHILLING EFFECT THAT HAS
6:09:12PM AN IMPACT ON YOUR ABILITY TO FULLY REPRESENT YOUR
6:09:16PM CONSTITUENTS.
6:09:18PM ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THROUGH THIS
6:09:23PM PROCESS IS WHEN DOES IT APPLY?
6:09:25PM BECAUSE A LOT OF JURISDICTIONS DO IT IN THE FORM OF
6:09:31PM REIMBURSEMENT.
6:09:32PM AND TRADITIONALLY, THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS DONE IT THAT WAY,
6:09:35PM TOO.
6:09:36PM AND, FOR INSTANCE, IN THE CONCEPT OF ATTORNEYS' FEES FOR A
6:09:44PM PUBLIC RECORDS LAWSUIT, ZEROING IN ON THAT PARTICULAR CASE
6:09:50PM OF A VIOLATION OR AN ALLEGED VIOLATION OF CHAPTER 119, THE
6:09:55PM FLORIDA STATUTES, THE ORDINANCE ADDRESSES ATTORNEYS' FEES IN
6:10:00PM CERTAIN MATTERS.
6:10:00PM AS A MATTER OF FACT, A RELATIVELY RECENT AMENDMENT IN 2017
6:10:04PM ALLOWS THAT THE COURT SHALL DETERMINE WHETHER THE
6:10:07PM COMPLAINANT PARTICIPATED IN A CIVIL ACTION FOR IMPROPER
6:10:12PM PURPOSE.
6:10:12PM THAT REQUIRES A COURT HEARING.
6:10:14PM THAT REQUIRES PERHAPS DISCOVERY.
6:10:17PM A PROCESS IS VERY COSTLY, POTENTIALLY, TO SOMEBODY WHO IS
6:10:22PM DEFENDING THEMSELVES.
6:10:23PM THE QUESTION THEN IS THERE ARE SOME JURISDICTIONS,
6:10:29PM PARTICULARLY IN BROWARD COUNTY AND ELSEWHERE THROUGHOUT THE
6:10:32PM STATE WHERE THERE IS A PROVISION THAT ALLOWS THE PERSON WHO
6:10:38PM IS BEING A DEFENDANT, LET'S SAY BEING MADE A DEFENDANT, OR
6:10:43PM EVEN IN AN ETHICS PROCEEDING WHO HAS A COMPLAINT FILED
6:10:47PM AGAINST THEM.
6:10:48PM SO THIS WOULD NOT ONLY APPLY IN LITIGATION, IT WOULD APPLY
6:10:52PM IN ANY SORT OF PROCEEDING RELATED TO, AGAIN, THE PROCESS OF
6:10:58PM ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE PERFORMANCE OF
6:11:01PM OFFICIAL DUTIES AND SERVING A PUBLIC PURPOSE.
6:11:04PM OF COURSE, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DEFINED WITHIN THE
6:11:09PM ORDINANCE.
6:11:10PM BUT HERE'S MY POINT.
6:11:11PM MY POINT IS THIS.
6:11:15PM IF IT IS CITY COUNCIL'S DESIRE TO HAVE A PROCESS WHERE
6:11:22PM SOMEONE WHO NEEDS LEGAL SERVICES AND NEEDS LEGAL
6:11:24PM REPRESENTATION APPLIES OR BRINGS NOTICE TO THE CITY TO ASK
6:11:28PM TO BE REPRESENTED UP FRONT, THEN THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE A
6:11:33PM PROCESS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK THROUGH.
6:11:35PM THE DOWN SIDE TO THAT, IF THERE IS A DOWN SIDE TO IT IS
6:11:39PM THIS.
6:11:43PM AT THE END OF THE PROCESS, IF IT DOESN'T MEET THE CRITERIA
6:11:47PM FOR ARISING OUT OF IN CONNECTION WITH THE PERFORMANCE OF THE
6:11:51PM OFFICIAL DUTIES AND WHAT USUALLY IS THE DISPOSITIVE ISSUE OF
6:11:55PM WHETHER THE CONDUCT SERVES A PUBLIC PURPOSE, OTHER
6:12:01PM JURISDICTIONS HAVE IT SO THAT WITHIN THAT ORDINANCE, THE
6:12:04PM ELECTED OFFICIAL ULTIMATELY IS LIABLE TO THE CITY TO
6:12:08PM REIMBURSE THE CITY FOR THOSE EXPENSES AND AUTHORIZES, IF
6:12:14PM NECESSARY, A SUIT AGAINST THE ELECTED OFFICIAL IN ORDER TO
6:12:18PM RECOVER THAT TO WHICH UNDER THE LAW THEY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN
6:12:22PM ENTITLED.
6:12:22PM THE ADVANTAGE TO IT, TO SOMEBODY WHO NEEDS THAT HELP UP
6:12:29PM FRONT IS IT DOESN'T REQUIRE AN OUTLAY OF MONEY OF THE
6:12:32PM ELECTED OFFICIAL IN THE PROCESS OF GOING THROUGH THE
6:12:35PM PROCEEDING, WHETHER IT'S LITIGATION OR A COMPLAINT TO BE
6:12:39PM ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD TOWARDS A CONCLUSION THAT WOULD
6:12:43PM ULTIMATELY SHOW THAT THEY ARE ENTITLED TO LEGAL EXPENSES TO
6:12:47PM BE PAID TO THEM AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL BY THE CITY OF TAMPA.
6:12:53PM SO THAT BEING SAID, WHAT I WOULD ASK YOU TO DO IS GIVE ME AN
6:12:57PM OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK WITH SOME LANGUAGE BASED ON MY
6:13:01PM RESEARCH WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS, WORKING WITH THE CITY
6:13:03PM ATTORNEY, AND PUT IT IN A FORM THAT ACTUALLY IS SOMETHING
6:13:07PM THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS SOME
6:13:10PM DIRECTION AT THIS POINT -- EXCUSE ME, MY MOUTH IS SO DRY
6:13:15PM LATE IN THE DAY -- WHAT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE WITH REGARD TO
6:13:23PM THE CONCEPT OF NOTIFICATION OF THE PROCESS AT THE OUTSET
6:13:27PM VERSUS REIMBURSEMENT, INDEMNIFICATION THROUGH REIMBURSEMENT
6:13:32PM AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE LITIGATION OR PROCEEDINGS.
6:13:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'LL GO TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON FIRST.
6:13:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
6:13:38PM I'LL HAVE SOME WATER.
6:13:41PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
6:13:42PM TO SAVE TIME I'LL QUICKLY SAY WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD DO.
6:13:46PM NUMBER ONE, I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE SOME
6:13:49PM KIND OF ORDINANCE FORWARD.
6:13:51PM THAT ORDINANCE NEEDS TO -- THE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT'S COVERED
6:13:58PM NEEDS TO BE VERY CAREFULLY PUT IN THERE.
6:14:02PM AS YOU ALL KNOW, A YEAR AGO, SOMEONE CLAIMED THAT I WAS PART
6:14:06PM OF A FAKE Facebook PAGE, AND IT WAS DEFAMATORY TOWARD ME
6:14:14PM BECAUSE IN MY INDUSTRY IT IS UNETHICAL TO CREATE A FAKE
6:14:17PM FACEBOOK PAGE.
6:14:18PM I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
6:14:19PM I STATED OVER AND OVER AGAIN I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
6:14:19PM BUT STILL I SPENT JUST ON THAT MATTER FIVE TO TEN THOUSAND
6:14:24PM DOLLARS IN LEGAL FEES AND SEARCH FEES BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO
6:14:27PM SEARCH MY PHONE AND OTHER THINGS.
6:14:28PM ULTIMATELY THEY DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING.
6:14:30PM WHEN I TALKED TO MS. ZELMAN THE OTHER DAY, THE QUESTION IS,
6:14:33PM WAS THAT BECAUSE I WAS ON CITY COUNCIL?
6:14:35PM IT IS BECAUSE I WAS ON CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE THERE'S NO OTHER
6:14:38PM REASON WHY ANYBODY WOULD EVER SUBPOENA ME FOR INFORMATION
6:14:41PM RELATED TO SOMETHING I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH.
6:14:44PM THEY LATER PROVED IT WAS SOMEONE ELSE AND THEY ARE SUING
6:14:49PM THAT PERSON.
6:14:49PM IT'S NOT JUST THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT GET SUED AND MIGHT NOT
6:14:52PM JUST BE PUBLIC RECORDS, IN THAT CASE, SOMEBODY HAD A
6:14:58PM CONSPIRACY THEORY THAT I WAS INVOLVED WITH SOME FAKE
6:15:02PM Facebook PAGE I NEVER HEARD OF BEFORE.
6:15:04PM SO THAT'S JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE, BUT WE NEED TO CAREFULLY
6:15:05PM DESCRIBE HOW PEOPLE WOULD BE COVERED, AND I THINK WE OUGHT
6:15:07PM TO PAY IN ADVANCE.
6:15:08PM HERE'S ONE SOLUTION I WOULD THROW OUT.
6:15:11PM I WAS APPALLED IN THE DINGFELDER CASE THAT THE CITY DID NOT
6:15:16PM PUT UP LEGAL FEES.
6:15:17PM I DON'T KNOW IN GUDES' CASE THEY SHOULD HAVE IF THEY DIDN'T.
6:15:20PM AND SHAME ON THEM.
6:15:22PM IF THEY HAVEN'T, THEY SHOULD PAY RIGHT AWAY.
6:15:24PM THE SITUATION IS THAT 50 OR 100 THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR PEOPLE
6:15:31PM WHO ARE MAKING $53,000 A YEAR COULD BREAK SOMEBODY EASILY.
6:15:36PM IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA FOR THE REASONS YOU STATED TO LEAVE AN
6:15:41PM ELECTED OFFICIAL OUT LIKE THAT.
6:15:43PM AND SOMEBODY HAPPENS TO BE ON THE POLITICAL SIDE WHERE THEIR
6:15:47PM OPPONENTS ARE GETTING HIT.
6:15:49PM IT MIGHT BE FUN, BUT IF YOU ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE, IT'S NOT
6:15:51PM FUN.
6:15:52PM YOU NEVER KNOW WHO MIGHT HAVE THE POWER TO DO SOMETHING LIKE
6:15:54PM THAT.
6:15:55PM HERE'S WHAT I SUGGEST THAT I THINK -- I THINK WE NEED TO
6:15:59PM THINK OF CREATIVE SOLUTIONS.
6:16:00PM THE CITY IS SELF-FUNDED ON THIS LIABILITY INSURANCE, BUT FOR
6:16:05PM THE FIRST 250,000 OR 500, I DON'T KNOW WHICH, THE FIRST
6:16:10PM 500,000 WE'RE SELF-FUNDED WHICH MEANS IT'S AT THE DISCRETION
6:16:13PM OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.
6:16:15PM WE NEED IN THE ORDINANCE TO DESCRIBE THAT IT'S NOT -- SO
6:16:18PM THAT FOR POLITICAL REASONS SOMEBODY CAN'T EASILY REJECT IT.
6:16:22PM HERE IS ANOTHER SOLUTION THAT I THINK WE NEED.
6:16:24PM I THINK WE OUGHT TO CREATE A SELF-INSURANCE FUND.
6:16:27PM IT COULD BE FUNDED BY THE SALARIES OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS,
6:16:31PM BUT WE COULD GET AN INSURANCE COMPANY, JUST LIKE WE DO WITH
6:16:35PM UNITED ON HEALTH CARE, WE COULD GET AN INSURANCE COMPANY TO
6:16:38PM DEFINE A PLAN THAT WE WOULD CREATE OURSELVES, AND IT WOULD
6:16:42PM HOLD -- IT WOULD EVENTUALLY HOLD A $50,000 TRUST FOR EACH
6:16:48PM CITY COUNCIL MEMBER.
6:16:48PM IT WOULD INCLUDE THE MAYOR, THAT AS WELL.
6:16:51PM BUT FOR EACH CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, THAT WOULD BE $350,000.
6:16:54PM COULD BE THAT THE CITY WOULD LOAN THAT MONEY TO THE TRUST AT
6:16:56PM FIRST AND THEN WE COULD MAKE PAYMENTS MONTHLY FROM OUR CITY
6:17:01PM SALARIES INTO THAT FUND.
6:17:03PM AND IF FOLKS ARE MAINLY SURVIVING ON THE 53,000, WE COULD
6:17:08PM GIVE A SMALL RAISE JUST TO BE ABLE TO PAY THAT INTERNAL
6:17:11PM PREMIUM.
6:17:11PM BUT THE IDEA IS THAT IF THE -- IF THERE COULD BE
6:17:16PM INTERPRETINGS OF LAW WHERE WE HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST WHERE A
6:17:18PM CITY ATTORNEY MAY SAY, OH, WELL, YOU MIGHT BE GUILTY SO
6:17:21PM WE'RE NOT GOING TO REIMBURSE YOU.
6:17:23PM YOU MIGHT BE GUILTY SO WE WON'T PAY YOU IN ADVANCE.
6:17:26PM THEN SET UP A SELF-INSURANCE FUND NOT SUBJECT TO THE RULES,
6:17:29PM THAT'S SUBJECT TO WHATEVER RULES WE SET.
6:17:31PM SO ANYBODY WHO WOULD SEEK TO FILE A FRIVOLOUS LAWSUIT WOULD
6:17:35PM KNOW THAT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYBE THE MAYOR, IF SHE
6:17:38PM WANTS TO PARTICIPATE, WOULD HAVE UP TO $50,000, NO QUESTIONS
6:17:41PM ASKED FOR ANY LEGAL FEES.
6:17:42PM IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO THOSE OTHER LAWS BECAUSE WE'RE PAYING
6:17:45PM FOR IT OURSELVES OUT OF OUR SELF-INSURANCE FUND.
6:17:47PM I THINK THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME CREATIVE IDEA THIS WAY
6:17:50PM BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO PROTECT EVERYBODY.
6:17:52PM THERE'S NOBODY HERE, I THINK, WHO COULD AFFORD TO JUST PAY
6:17:55PM 50 OR $100,000 IN LEGAL FEES AND HOPE THE CITY WOULD DEFEND
6:17:59PM THEM AT SOME POINT.
6:18:00PM WE'VE GOT TO PROTECT EVERYBODY, THANK YOU.
6:18:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I COULD FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
6:18:04PM YOU RAISE A VERY INTERESTING AND A GOOD POINT.
6:18:06PM FIRST OF ALL, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY SELF-INSURANCE FUND OR
6:18:11PM SELF-FUNDED IN THE ORDINANCES THAT I'VE FOUND.
6:18:16PM FOR INSTANCE, IN THE CITY OF NAPLES, THE CITY OF NAPLES SAYS
6:18:21PM IT IS THE POLICY OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF NAPLES,
6:18:25PM FLORIDA, TO ESTABLISH A RISK FUND TO PAY ATTORNEYS' FEES AND
6:18:28PM COSTS IN DEFENDING COMPLAINTS AGAINST CITY OFFICIALS.
6:18:31PM THIS POLICY APPLIES TO PRESENT AND FORMER CITY OFFICIALS AS
6:18:34PM HEREIN DEFINED.
6:18:35PM IT'S PARTICULARLY WITH REGARD TO ETHICS COMPLAINTS, PROVIDED
6:18:38PM THE ETHICS COMPLAINT WAS FILED NO EARLIER THAN ONE YEAR
6:18:42PM PRIOR TO THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS ARTICLE RELATED TO
6:18:44PM ACTIONS TAKEN --
6:18:45PM >>BILL CARLSON: MARTY, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS OFF-LINE.
6:18:48PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SURE.
6:18:49PM >>BILL CARLSON: MY POINT IS TO SAY ANY LONG DESCRIPTION LIKE
6:18:52PM THAT IS SUBJECT TO INTERPRETATION.
6:18:54PM WE'VE HAD NOT THE CITY ATTORNEY BUT OTHER CITY ATTORNEY
6:18:57PM OPINIONS THAT SAID, OH, WELL, WE CAN'T COVER YOU OR WE WOULD
6:19:00PM NOT BE ABLE TO COVER YOU FOR CERTAIN REASONS.
6:19:02PM WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS THAT CITY COUNCIL
6:19:05PM IS ABSOLUTELY COVERED.
6:19:06PM IF WE HAVE OUR OWN POLICY THAT WE CREATE OURSELVES THAT
6:19:09PM COVERS US AUTOMATICALLY AT THE 50,000, IF THERE'S 350,000 OR
6:19:12PM 400,000 SITTING IN AN ACT, IT'S TASTES DRAW FROM THAT.
6:19:16PM WE CAN SET OUR OWN RULES.
6:19:18PM WE WOULDN'T BE CHARGES, WHATEVER IT COSTS PER MONTH OVER
6:19:21PM TIME TO BUILD THAT BACK.
6:19:23PM I THINK WE COULD TALK TO ACTUARIAL PEOPLE AND SET THAT UP.
6:19:26PM SEPARATE FROM THAT WE NEED AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD PAY THE
6:19:29PM FEES ANYWAY.
6:19:30PM IN CASE A CITY ATTORNEY IN THE FUTURE IS ORDERED BY A MAYOR
6:19:33PM NOT TO REIMBURSE THOSE FEES SO THAT A CITY COUNCIL HAS TO
6:19:36PM RESIGN THEN WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE COVERED UP TO
6:19:40PM AT LEAST $50,000 SO THEY ARE NOT BANKRUPT JUST BY SITTING ON
6:19:45PM A SEAT LIKE THIS.
6:19:46PM THANK YOU.
6:19:47PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND AGAIN MY OTHER POINT THAT I WANTED TO
6:19:50PM MAKE IS THAT HAVING THAT SORT OF POLICY POSITION CLEARLY
6:19:55PM STATED, CLEARLY OUT THERE, LETS THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT THE
6:20:00PM CITY HAS THE BACK OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS IN ORDER TO DO
6:20:04PM YOUR JOB AND COULD, IN FACT, PERHAPS DISSUADE SOMEBODY FROM
6:20:08PM FILING THAT SORT OF LAWSUIT THAT WOULD BE ULTIMATELY DEEMED
6:20:10PM TO BE FRIVOLOUS.
6:20:11PM >>BILL CARLSON: IF WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT SHOULD SAY THAT
6:20:14PM WE COVER IN THE BEGINNING AND YEAH, IF WE NEED IT, IF THEY
6:20:17PM TRY TO RECOVER AT A CERTAIN POINT, FINE.
6:20:21PM BUT THIS CITY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS HAS STARTED WITH
6:20:23PM THE PRESUMPTION THAT THE PEOPLE ARE GUILTY.
6:20:26PM SOMEBODY HAS A POLITICAL ATTACK AGAINST ME AND CLAIMS THAT
6:20:29PM I'M PART OF SOMETHING THAT I'M NOT, SUDDENLY I'M PAYING A
6:20:33PM LOT OF MONEY TO TRY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, AND THE
6:20:35PM CITY SAYS, OH, WE'LL REIMBURSE YOU, BUT I HAVE TO PUT OUT A
6:20:38PM LOT OF CASH.
6:20:39PM AND I'M TALKING TO MS. ZELMAN ABOUT GETTING REIMBURSED.
6:20:43PM BUT I PUT OUT 15 OR $20,000, 25,000 OVER THE LAST YEAR, AND
6:20:48PM I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF IT BACK YET.
6:20:50PM THAT'S HALF THE CITY COUNCIL PAY.
6:20:54PM SO WE'VE GOT -- I THINK WE NEED A POLICY THAT WE SELF-FUND,
6:21:00PM OR WHATEVER IT IS, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE 100% HAVE ACCESS TO
6:21:04PM IT.
6:21:05PM EVEN IF THE PERSON IS GUILTY THEY SHOULD HAVE ACCESS BECAUSE
6:21:07PM THEY ARE PAYING INTO THAT FUND.
6:21:08PM BUT WE SHOULD PRESUME THEY ARE NOT GUILTY AND CREATE AN
6:21:11PM ORDINANCE THAT DEFENDS PEOPLE AND THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW
6:21:14PM THAT THEY ARE DEFENDED.
6:21:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
6:21:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE NOTHING, SIR.
6:21:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
6:21:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT IN DISAGREEMENT OR AGREEMENT.
6:21:21PM I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY HAS THE RIGHT TO LOAN MONEY.
6:21:26PM NOT A POLITICAL QUESTION, BUT A QUESTION.
6:21:28PM I CAN KNOW ONE THING, SOME YEARS BACK, I ASKED THE QUESTION
6:21:32PM ABOUT WHY DO YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE BOND PEOPLE UP IN
6:21:36PM WASHINGTON OR NEW YORK OR WHATEVER TO GET MONEY FROM THERE?
6:21:39PM HOW COME YOU CAN'T GET IT FROM YOUR LOCAL TAXPAYERS.
6:21:43PM COULD BORROW FROM THE LOCAL TAXPAYERS' MONEY.
6:21:46PM SO I WAS TOLD THAT.
6:21:47PM AND TO SAVE MONEY, I SAID IN TIME, INSTEAD OF GOING THERE,
6:21:51PM THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE WHO HAVE MONEY AND BORROW FROM
6:21:54PM THEM.
6:21:54PM COULDN'T DO IT, THEY TOLD ME.
6:21:56PM THIS PART, I'M NOT PRIVY TO.
6:22:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, THIS WOULDN'T ULTIMATELY BE A
6:22:04PM BORROWING.
6:22:05PM IT WOULD BE THE CITY COMMITTING TO FUND IT SUBJECT TO YOU
6:22:10PM SUCCESSFULLY OR SUBSTANTIALLY PREVAILING.
6:22:13PM AND FAILING TO DO THAT, THAT THEN YOU COULD BE LIABLE, NOT
6:22:17PM YOU PERSONALLY BUT WHOEVER TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THAT WOULD
6:22:21PM ULTIMATELY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR REIMBURSEMENT TO THE CITY.
6:22:24PM DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING, MS. ZELMAN?
6:22:29PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR THE
6:22:32PM RECORD IS THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DID NOT START, IN PRIOR
6:22:38PM CASES, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, WE DIDN'T START FROM THE
6:22:41PM ASSUMPTION THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE GUILTY.
6:22:44PM WHAT WE DID IN EACH OF THE CASES THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE
6:22:48PM LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WAS APPLY THE TEST THAT MARTY REFERRED
6:22:52PM TO, WAS THE CAUSE OF ACTION, DID IT ARISE FROM THE COUNCIL
6:22:59PM MEMBER IN THE PERFORMANCE OF HIS OFFICIAL DUTIES, AND WAS HE
6:23:02PM ACTING WITH A PUBLIC PURPOSE?
6:23:04PM THE NORM, THE NORM IN MOST JURISDICTIONS IN FLORIDA IS WHEN
6:23:12PM YOU CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION DEFINITIVELY AT THE OUTSET OF
6:23:17PM THE LITIGATION, YOU RECOMMEND THAT THE COUNCIL PERSON OR THE
6:23:21PM BOARD MEMBER RETAIN PRIVATE COUNCIL.
6:23:25PM AND THEN IF IT'S ULTIMATELY ESTABLISHED IN THE LITIGATION
6:23:29PM THAT THE ACTS GIVING RISE TO THE LITIGATION AROSE FROM THEIR
6:23:34PM PERFORMANCE OF OFFICIAL DUTIES AND THAT THEY WERE ACTING
6:23:36PM WITH A PUBLIC PURPOSE, THEN YOU REIMBURSE.
6:23:40PM I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR.
6:23:41PM THAT WAS THE STANDARD WE APPLY.
6:23:43PM IT WASN'T A PRESUMPTION OF GUILTY.
6:23:45PM IT WAS LOOKING AT THAT THRESHOLD TEST AT THE OUTSET.
6:23:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MS. ZELMAN IS RIGHT.
6:23:59PM MANY MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES DO USE THE PROCESS FOR
6:24:03PM APPLYING FOR REIMBURSEMENT AFTER THE EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS.
6:24:06PM I LOOK AT SAY, FOR INSTANCE, BROWARD COUNTY OR
6:24:09PM FT. LAUDERDALE, FOR INSTANCE, WHAT THEY DO IS THEY ALLOW THE
6:24:12PM COUNCIL MEMBERS TO REQUEST THE MONEY UP FRONT AND THE
6:24:16PM JURISDICTION THEN PAYS IT SUBJECT TO, AGAIN, MEETING THE
6:24:20PM CRITERIA THAT THE LAW REQUIRES BECAUSE EXPENDITURE,
6:24:23PM ULTIMATELY THE EXPENDITURE OF PUBLIC FUNDS MUST BE FOR A
6:24:28PM PUBLIC PURPOSE.
6:24:29PM AND IF IT IS NOT FOR A PUBLIC PURPOSE, IT IS AN IMPROPER
6:24:32PM EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS THAT MUST BE RECOUPED.
6:24:35PM AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.
6:24:36PM THE LAW WILL APPLY IRRESPECTIVE OF WHETHER YOU DO
6:24:39PM REIMBURSEMENT OR DO THE MONEY UP FRONT, IT IS THE ULTIMATE
6:24:42PM FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY THAT THE CITY HAS TO SPEND THE
6:24:45PM TAXPAYERS' DOLLARS.
6:24:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYBODY WHO HAS NOT SPOKEN, DO YOU HAVE ANY
6:24:49PM COMMENTS?
6:24:50PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:24:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MY ONLY COMMENT IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO NEXT.
6:24:55PM I THINK YOU WERE ABOUT TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.
6:24:58PM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, THE OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY AND WE
6:25:01PM CAN TALK ABOUT THIS OFF-LINE.
6:25:02PM I THINK EACH OF US COULD GIVE INPUT.
6:25:06PM IF WE HAVE A SEPARATE FUND AND FUNDING IT THEN THOSE TWO
6:25:08PM THINGS CAN WORK IN PARALLEL AND WE CAN WORK ON THAT.
6:25:11PM ONE OTHER THING THAT I NEED TO MENTION, COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA
6:25:16PM IS AN ATTORNEY.
6:25:18PM I ASSUME THAT HE HAS ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE ON SOME OF
6:25:20PM THE PROJECTS THAT HE WORKS ON.
6:25:22PM I HAVE A PR FIRM THAT WORKS, PRIMARILY WORKS ON LITIGATION
6:25:27PM MATTERS.
6:25:27PM AND WE HAVE ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE ON THOSE LITIGATION
6:25:32PM MATTERS.
6:25:32PM I USE MY CITY PHONE AS INSTRUCTED AND ANYBODY ACCIDENTALLY
6:25:37PM CALLS ME ON THE OTHER LINE, TELL THEM TO CALL ME ON MY CITY
6:25:41PM PHONE.
6:25:41PM BUT WE HAVE HAD MANY CASES RECENTLY WHERE THEY HAVE ASKED TO
6:25:45PM SEARCH OUR PERSONAL PHONES AND NOT ONLY SEARCH THEM, NOT
6:25:52PM ONLY LOOK AT MESSAGES ON THEIR PERSONAL PHONES, BUT ALSO
6:25:55PM SEARCH THEM FOR METADATA.
6:25:57PM THAT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE PROCESS IF YOUR PHONE IS PROTECTED
6:26:01PM UNDER ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE.
6:26:03PM IF YOU HANDED YOUR PHONE TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WE
6:26:06PM WOULD GET SUED INTO OBLIVION.
6:26:08PM HE PROBABLY WOULD LOSE HIS LAW LICENSE.
6:26:11PM WE CAN'T DO THAT.
6:26:12PM THERE HAS TO BE AN UNDERSTANDING IN THESE RULES ALSO THAT
6:26:17PM THERE ARE CERTAIN GUIDELINES AND RULES THAT AFFECT PEOPLE
6:26:20PM ASKING ABOUT PERSONAL ITEMS AND PERSONAL -- I PROVIDED ALL
6:26:24PM THE INFORMATION.
6:26:25PM I PAID UP FRONT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO HAVE MY PHONE
6:26:28PM SEARCHED TO PROVIDE THEM EVERYTHING THEY WANTED IN A TIMELY
6:26:31PM WAY.
6:26:32PM BUT STILL I'M SITTING OUT THAT, AND SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE
6:26:36PM THAT THAT'S COVERED IN THE THING.
6:26:40PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: CAN I SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE THE QUESTION
6:26:43PM COMES UP TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
6:26:45PM EVEN CAME UP FROM ONE OF MY ATTORNEYS IN MY OFFICE
6:26:48PM YESTERDAY.
6:26:49PM THERE'S NO LAW THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T CONDUCT CITY BUSINESS ON
6:26:52PM A PRIVATE CELL PHONE.
6:26:53PM HOWEVER -- HOWEVER, IT'S BAD PRACTICE FOR THE FOLLOWING
6:26:59PM REASON: IF YOU ARE CONDUCTING PRIVATE CITY BUSINESS ON A
6:27:04PM PRIVATE CELL PHONE OR ON A PRIVATE E-MAIL, THAT IS A PUBLIC
6:27:10PM RECORD BECAUSE YOU ARE CONDUCTING CITY BUSINESS.
6:27:13PM UNDER THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT, THE CITY HAS THE OBLIGATION TO
6:27:17PM MAKE A GOOD-FAITH EFFORT TO OBTAIN THOSE RECORDS -- WELL,
6:27:21PM FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER, THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT
6:27:23PM ISN'T ONLY ABOUT PRODUCING RECORDS.
6:27:26PM IT ALSO REQUIRES YOU TO MAINTAIN THE PUBLIC RECORDS.
6:27:30PM WHICH, AGAIN, IF YOU'RE DOING THINGS ON A PRIVATE PHONE OR A
6:27:34PM PRIVATE E-MAIL, THAT MAKES IT THAT MUCH HARDER.
6:27:37PM THE CITY HAS THE OBLIGATION UNDER THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT TO
6:27:42PM MAKE A GOOD-FAITH EFFORT TO GET ANY PUBLIC RECORD FROM
6:27:48PM EMPLOYEES AND OFFICIALS OF THE CITY AND PRODUCE THEM UPON
6:27:51PM REQUEST.
6:27:52PM IN A PARTICULAR CASE, IF YOU, IF THE CITY WERE TO SAY TO
6:28:00PM YOU, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED ALL YOUR PRIVATE TEXT
6:28:06PM MESSAGES ABOUT THE FOLLOWING SUBJECT, WHERE YOU WERE
6:28:10PM CONDUCTING CITY BUSINESS ON YOUR PHONE, IF YOU DID YOUR OWN
6:28:15PM SEARCH AND PROVIDED AN AFFIDAVIT SAYING I'VE DONE MY OWN
6:28:19PM SEARCH.
6:28:19PM THIS IS ALL I CAN FIND.
6:28:21PM I SWEAR THIS IS ALL I HAVE.
6:28:23PM AT SOME POINT WE CAN ONLY GO SO FAR, WE THE CITY IN TRYING
6:28:27PM TO GET YOUR PRIVATE RECORDS.
6:28:30PM THE PROCESS OF MAKING T & I AVAILABLE TO SEARCH YOUR PHONE
6:28:35PM WAS DONE TO ACCOMMODATE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHEN WE WERE
6:28:38PM GETTING ALL THOSE REQUESTS.
6:28:40PM AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE BEST PRACTICE -- AND WE'RE ALL IN
6:28:43PM THE SAME SITUATION.
6:28:45PM I'VE HAD THE SAME CELL PHONE NUMBER SINCE THEY INVENTED CELL
6:28:49PM PHONES, AND PEOPLE STILL TEXT ME AND E-MAIL ME.
6:28:53PM IF THEY START TALKING ABOUT CITY BUSINESS, I FORWARD THE
6:28:56PM TEXT OR WHATEVER TO MY CITY PHONE.
6:28:59PM I ASK THEM TO DO IT ON MY CITY PHONE, WHATEVER.
6:29:03PM JUST BEST PRACTICE IS NOT TO DO IT ON YOUR PRIVATE PHONE SO
6:29:07PM THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THESE PROBLEMS DOWN THE ROAD.
6:29:10PM BUT THE CITY HAS AN OBLIGATION, IF YOU'RE CUTTING CITY
6:29:16PM BUSINESS ON THOSE PRIVATE THINGS, WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION --
6:29:19PM YOU HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO MAINTAIN THOSE RECORDS AS THE
6:29:21PM CREATOR OF THEM, AND WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO PRODUCE THEM
6:29:24PM WHEN ASKED.
6:29:26PM SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO WORK WITH YOU TO FIND A WAY TO GET
6:29:29PM THOSE PUBLIC RECORDS TO THE REQUESTER.
6:29:33PM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO
6:29:35PM ASK CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY TO RETURN TO US ON MARCH 2nd
6:29:41PM WITH A PROPOSED ORDINANCE.
6:29:44PM >> SECOND.
6:29:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
6:29:47PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
6:29:49PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
6:29:50PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
6:29:53PM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
6:29:57PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: [INAUDIBLE]
6:30:01PM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, I WOULD SAY AN ORDINANCE -- SORRY,
6:30:03PM YOU'RE RIGHT.
6:30:04PM AN ORDINANCE AND ANY RECOMMENDATION ON THE I'LL CALL IT
6:30:11PM PRIVATE INSURANCE, PRIVATE LIABILITY INSURANCE THAT I TALKED
6:30:15PM ABOUT.
6:30:15PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE GOAL BEING THAT SOMEONE IN NEED OF
6:30:20PM LEGAL EXPENSES WOULD NOT HAVE TO WAIT AND FRONT THE MONEY
6:30:23PM AND THEN ASKED TO BE REIMBURSED BUT HAVE ACCESS TO THAT
6:30:27PM MONEY AT THE OUTSET.
6:30:28PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT OFF-LINE.
6:30:30PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, IF THAT'S THE CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL.
6:30:34PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU MAY HAVE A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO AT THE
6:30:37PM END OF THE DAY STILL DOESN'T HAVE THE MONEY, IF HE LOSES TO
6:30:40PM PAY THE ATTORNEY.
6:30:42PM IN THAT CASE, THAT INSURANCE WILL KICK IN AND PAY FOR THAT
6:30:46PM REIMBURSEMENT.
6:30:47PM IT'S A TWO-WAY STREET.
6:30:50PM >>BILL CARLSON: THIS WOULD BE A SEPARATE -- I'LL TALK TO YOU
6:30:53PM ABOUT IT OFF-LINE.
6:30:54PM JUST IN CONCEPT GET YOU TO COME BACK AND REPORT ON IT.
6:30:57PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: UNDERSTOOD.
6:31:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION?
6:31:04PM WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
6:31:06PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
6:31:07PM ALL IN FAVOR?
6:31:07PM IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
6:31:10PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
6:31:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE YOU GOING TO STAY THERE FOR AGENDA ITEM
6:31:14PM NUMBER 17?
6:31:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SIR, YOU'VE BEEN PRESENTED WITH A
6:31:19PM RESOLUTION PER YOUR MOTION.
6:31:21PM IT HAS BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO COUNCIL.
6:31:24PM I WOULD ASK MR. CHAIRMAN, IT IS YOUR RESOLUTION.
6:31:27PM IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WISH TO ADDRESS WITH CITY COUNCIL?
6:31:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
6:31:30PM I HOPE THAT YOU WILL VOTE FOR THIS RESOLUTION.
6:31:34PM IT IS IN SUPPORT OF TAMPA BAY REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION
6:31:37PM TO SUPPORT CLEAN ENERGY.
6:31:39PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
6:31:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND A CLEAN WAY OF LIVING AND RESILIENCY IN
6:31:42PM TAMPA BAY.
6:31:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM CHAIRMAN CITRO.
6:31:45PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
6:31:47PM ALL IN FAVOR?
6:31:47PM ANY OPPOSED?
6:31:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
6:31:50PM THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
6:31:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
6:31:51PM THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
6:31:55PM I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
6:31:56PM AGENDA ITEM 18 WAS CONTINUED TO FEBRUARY 23rd.
6:32:00PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
6:32:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE STILL HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE
6:32:05PM SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA.
6:32:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY.
6:32:20PM >>LUIS VIERA: I MOVE ITEMS 19 THROUGH 22.
6:32:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA, SECONDED BY
6:32:26PM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
6:32:27PM ALL IN FAVOR?
6:32:27PM ANY OBJECTIONS?
6:32:28PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
6:32:29PM COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU HAVE PARKS AND RECREATION.
6:32:31PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEMS 23 THROUGH 26.
6:32:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES,
6:32:36PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
6:32:38PM ALL IN FAVOR?
6:32:38PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
6:32:40PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU'VE GOT PUBLIC WORKS.
6:32:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, I MOVE -- SINCE 27 AND 28 HAVE ALREADY
6:32:46PM BEEN MOVED I MOVE ITEMS 29 THROUGH 36.
6:32:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN
6:32:52PM HURTAK, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
6:32:55PM ALL IN FAVOR?
6:32:56PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU HAVE BUILDING AND ZONING.
6:32:59PM OKAY.
6:33:02PM THEN COUNCILMAN, VIERA, VICE-CHAIR.
6:33:07PM >>LUIS VIERA: MOVE ITEMS 38 THROUGH 44.
6:33:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
6:33:12PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
6:33:13PM ALL IN FAVOR? COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, TRANSPORTATION.
6:33:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I MOVE ITEMS A 45 THROUGH 49.
6:33:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO,
6:33:24PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
6:33:27PM ALL IN FAVOR?
6:33:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE TO SET ITEMS 50 AND 51 FOR
6:33:32PM THEIR RESPECTIVE PUBLIC HEARING DATES.
6:33:34PM MARCH 2, 2023 AT 1:30 P.M.
6:33:36PM SECOND IS FEBRUARY 23, 2023, AT 5:01 P.M.
6:33:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
6:33:43PM MANISCALCO.
6:33:45PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
6:33:46PM ALL IN FAVOR?
6:33:47PM I BELIEVE THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM 56.
6:34:06PM >> SUBMITTING A SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE.
6:34:08PM ITEM 56.
6:34:12PM MR. WIGGINTON, WOULD YOU BE SO GOOD TO EXPLAIN --
6:34:16PM >>RON WIGGINTON: YES.
6:34:18PM RON WIGGINTON, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
6:34:19PM THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
6:34:22PM THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS JUST HANDED OUT IS A SUBSTITUTE
6:34:25PM ORDINANCE.
6:34:25PM I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT GETTING THIS OUT TO YOU EARLIER.
6:34:28PM WE HAVE BEEN DILIGENTLY WORKING ON REACHING AN AGREEMENT
6:34:32PM WITH REGARDS TO EASEMENT LANGUAGE.
6:34:38PM FOR INSTANCE, JUST YESTERDAY I FOUND OUT THAT TECO DID NOT
6:34:43PM REQUIRE AN EASEMENT, AND THEN THIS AFTERNOON, I JUST FOUND
6:34:45PM OUT THAT THEY DO REQUIRE A PARTIAL EASEMENT.
6:34:47PM SO THIS IS STILL NOT COMPLETE.
6:34:49PM I EXPECT TO MODIFY OR AMEND IT BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND
6:34:55PM READING.
6:34:55PM FOR NOW, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS NEW ORDINANCE AND THE
6:34:57PM ORIGINAL THAT WAS FILED, BASICALLY WHAT WE DID IS WE ADDED A
6:35:01PM WATER EASEMENT.
6:35:02PM WE DID REMOVE THE TECO EASEMENT.
6:35:04PM BUT WE NEED TO REINSERT THAT BACK.
6:35:06PM WE MODIFIED THE TRANSPORTATION LANGUAGE.
6:35:09PM NOW THAT PROVIDERS PEDESTRIAN, BICYCLE, AND SMART MOBILITY.
6:35:13PM IT ALSO PROVIDES FOR VEHICULAR TRAFFIC WITH REGARDS TO
6:35:17PM EMERGENCY RESPONDERS AND SOLID WASTE VEHICLES.
6:35:20PM AND IT ALSO PROVIDES FOR A TEMPORARY GENERAL VEHICULAR
6:35:25PM TRANSPORTATION EASEMENT.
6:35:31PM UPON MOBILITY DETERMINATION IT'S NEEDED FOR REROUTING
6:35:34PM TRAFFIC IN THE AREA.
6:35:35PM ALSO, IT PROVIDES FOR ONCE THE AREA AROUND IT, ADJOINING THE
6:35:39PM VACATED AREAS GET DEVELOPED, THEN THERE WILL BE A TRAFFIC
6:35:43PM STUDY THAT WILL DETERMINE WHETHER THERE ARE ADDITIONAL
6:35:46PM EASEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED FOR GENERAL PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
6:35:49PM SO WITH THAT, UNLESS THE COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I WOULD
6:35:52PM LIKE TO OPEN THE FLOOR TO MR. ROSS SALMONS TO GIVE HIS
6:35:56PM PRESENTATION.
6:35:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
6:36:02PM >>ROSS SAMONS: ROSS SAMONS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
6:36:06PM VAC-23-02.
6:36:09PM THE APPLICANT IS RIVERSIDE HEIGHTS HOLDINGS II, LLC.
6:36:14PM THE REPRESENTATIVE'S NAME IS ADAM HARDEN.
6:36:15PM PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 1909 MARKET STREET.
6:36:20PM PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST IS TO VACATE PORTIONS OF MARKET
6:36:23PM STREET AND 7th AVENUE LYING NORTH OF HILLSBOROUGH RIVER,
6:36:26PM SOUTH OF OAK AVENUE, EAST OF SANDRA HEIGHTS LANE AND WEST OF
6:36:29PM OLA AVENUE.
6:36:30PM APPLICATION WAS FILED OCTOBER 24th, 2022.
6:36:37PM APPLICANT OWNS PROPERTY NORTH SIDE AND TO THE EAST AND WEST
6:36:40PM SIDE OF MARKET STREET, NORTH SIDE OF 7th AVENUE.
6:36:44PM I'M SORRY.
6:36:44PM THE REASON FOR THE APPLICATION IS TO CHANGE ONE BLOCK OF
6:36:47PM MARKET STREET AND ONE BLOCK OF 7th AVENUE INTO
6:36:50PM PEDESTRIAN-ONLY PRIVATELY MAINTAINED STREET SEGMENTS.
6:36:54PM THE EXISTING STREETS ARE APPROXIMATELY 52,098 SQUARE FEET TO
6:36:59PM APPROXIMATELY 1.196 ACRES.
6:37:01PM AND THESE STREETS WERE CREATED BY SUBDIVISION PLAT.
6:37:04PM AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPOSED VACATING.
6:37:10PM HERE IS 7th AND MARKET STREET HERE.
6:37:14PM AND THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY OBVIOUSLY THE SUBDIVISION
6:37:19PM THERE.
6:37:20PM AGAIN, THE STREET, 7th FROM SANDRA HEIGHTS TO THIS
6:37:26PM PRIVATELY OWNED SEGMENT OF 7th AVENUE AND FROM OAK DOWN TO
6:37:32PM 7th ON MARKET STREET.
6:37:34PM A QUICK VIEW OF THE PLAT, THAT DEDICATED THE STREET.
6:37:44PM 7th AVENUE FROM SANDRA HEIGHTS TO THE PRIVATELY OWNED
6:37:48PM SEGMENT, AND THEN MARKET STREET SEGMENT FROM OAK TO 7th.
6:37:52PM A MORE CLEAR VIEW OF THE SURVEY PROVIDED OF THE PORTION TO
6:38:03PM BE VACATED.
6:38:06PM HILLSBOROUGH RIVER HERE.
6:38:07PM HERE IS AN IMAGE OF 7th AVENUE LOOKING EAST ON 7th
6:38:18PM AVENUE.
6:38:20PM THIS IS LOOKING WEST ON 7th AVENUE.
6:38:34PM THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH ON MARKET STREET FROM OAK AVENUE.
6:38:42PM AGAIN, THE INTERSECTION OF 7th AVENUE IS HERE AND ON THE
6:38:46PM EAST SIDE IS ARMATURE WORKS.
6:38:48PM STAFF HAS NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS VACATING REQUEST.
6:38:56PM EASEMENT RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED BY SOLID WASTE,
6:38:58PM STORMWATER, TRANSPORTATION, AND TECO.
6:39:00PM NATURAL RESOURCES AND COMPLY WITH CHAPTER 27 WITH REGARD TO
6:39:03PM TREE PRESERVATION AND SITE DESIGN FOR ANY IMPROVEMENTS
6:39:06PM PLACED ADJACENT TO TREES IN VACATED AREAS.
6:39:08PM THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
6:39:10PM I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
6:39:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
6:39:13PM PETITIONER?
6:39:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. HARDEN SPECIFICALLY ASKED THAT WE
6:39:21PM WAIT UNTIL THE LAST ITEM TONIGHT BECAUSE HE WANTED TO HANG
6:39:23PM WITH US ALL DAY.
6:39:24PM >> I DID, I DID.
6:39:25PM I LOOKED AT THE AGENDA YESTERDAY AND I WAS JUST HAPPY I
6:39:28PM WASN'T BEHIND STEVE MICHELINI.
6:39:31PM SO I GOT UP AND READ THE NEWSPAPER.
6:39:35PM IF I COULD SHARE THAT WITH YOU --
6:39:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU SAID YOU READ THE NEWSPAPER.
6:39:48PM >> OH.
6:39:49PM >> SO REWINDING A LITTLE BIT, I'LL GIVE A REALLY QUICK
6:39:55PM PRESENTATION.
6:39:56PM AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, 2015 WE STARTED PERMITTING RENOVATION
6:40:01PM OF THE HISTORIC BUILDING WE ALL KNEW AS ARMATURE WORKS
6:40:06PM FACTORY INTO A NEW MIXED-USE FACILITY RENOVATION OF THE
6:40:10PM THREE BROWNFIELDS THAT MADE UP THE LARGE VACANT FIELD TO THE
6:40:13PM WEST OF THE BUILDING.
6:40:16PM THE ARMATURE WORKS BROWNFIELD THE RIVERFRONT PARTNERS
6:40:20PM BROWNFIELD AND -- BROWNFIELD.
6:40:23PM TWO OF THOSE HAVE BEEN PERMANENTLY CLOSED.
6:40:25PM ARMATURE IS CAPPED AND PARTIALLY CLOSED WITH MONITORING
6:40:29PM UNTIL WE REACH THE PRESCRIBED LEVELS.
6:40:32PM WE'RE GETTING REALLY CLOSE.
6:40:33PM WE'RE DOWN TO ONE WELL.
6:40:34PM SO IT'S REALLY GOOD NEWS.
6:40:36PM SO FAST-FORWARD NOVEMBER OF 2017, WE MANAGED TO GET THE
6:40:42PM BUILDING HALF OPEN FOR A LARGE 2,000 PERSON EVENT, A
6:40:49PM COMBINED PARTY JANUARY THE 30th ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO
6:40:55PM TODAY, WE FORMALLY OPENED THE MARKET HALL.
6:40:57PM THE FACILITY -- AND I'VE PASSED OUT TO YOU A SYNOPSIS OF THE
6:41:03PM PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT EVENTS THAT WE COMMITTED TO AS PART OF I
6:41:09PM THINK THE SPIRIT OF THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE
6:41:11PM WITH THE CITY TO ACTIVATE THIS PLACE AND REALLY BUILD A
6:41:17PM HEART AND SOUL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE COULD USE TO
6:41:20PM ATTRACT NEW JOBS HERE.
6:41:21PM THE ARMATURE WORKS TODAY, I ASKED FOR THE STATISTICS FROM
6:41:28PM OUR QUARTERLY REPORT THAT WE PROVIDE FOR THE NEW MARKET TAX
6:41:37PM CREDIT INDICATOR.
6:41:38PM WE CURRENTLY HAVE 340 FULL-TIME JOB EQUIVALENTS THAT ARE
6:41:43PM SUSTAINED WITHIN THE FACILITY.
6:41:46PM AGAIN, IT'S HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL, BUT IT'S PURPOSE IS REALLY TO
6:41:52PM SEE THE DEVELOPMENT AND ATTRACT THE JOBS THAT WE PROMISED,
6:41:55PM THE GROCERY STORE THAT WE TOLD THE NEIGHBORS WE WOULD GET
6:41:59PM AND THOSE THINGS.
6:41:59PM OF COURSE, WE'RE PROUD TO REPORT THAT THE PHASE ONE OF OUR
6:42:03PM OFFICE IS OCCUPIED BY PFIZER WORLD SUPPORT CENTER OR AXOGEN
6:42:10PM BIOMEDICAL TISSUE COMPANY OR TRADED ON THE NASDAQ.
6:42:14PM PFIZER FORTUNE 50 PHARMA.
6:42:16PM AMWINS INSURANCE.
6:42:19PM A LAW FIRM OUT OF NEW YORK AND OTHER REALLY GOOD TENANTS.
6:42:26PM NEW, HIGH-PAYING JOBS TO TAMPA THAT I THINK SUPPORT THE IDEA
6:42:30PM THAT WE'VE MOVED BEYOND THIS CONSTANT DESIRE TO BE AMERICA'S
6:42:35PM NEXT GREAT CITY AND JUST BE HAPPY THAT WE'RE TAMPA.
6:42:39PM WHEN I DID THE ORIGINAL BUSINESS PLAN FOR ARMATURE WORKS, I
6:42:46PM THINK WE WERE REALLY HOPING THAT WE WOULD AVERAGE 800 TO
6:42:50PM 1,000 VISITORS A DAY.
6:42:53PM I HAVE TO REPORT THAT THAT'S CLOSER TO 4,000.
6:42:56PM WHAT I PASSED OUT TO YOU IS A SUMMARY OF THE COMMUNITY
6:43:03PM ENGAGEMENT EVENTS THAT WE FUND AS PART OF THE ARMATURE WORKS
6:43:07PM PROGRAM, SO THESE ARE IN ADDITION TO THE PAYING PRIVATE
6:43:10PM EVENTS.
6:43:10PM BUT THESE ARE, IF YOU GO BY, YOU'LL SEE THE CAR SHOW AND
6:43:16PM THESE THINGS.
6:43:17PM SO I THINK AS THE PLACE MATURES, WHAT WE'VE DETERMINED IS
6:43:21PM THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE BETTER TO HAVE THESE TWO SEGMENTS OF
6:43:26PM STREET AS PUBLIC SPACE.
6:43:29PM THE RESERVATION OF EASEMENT STILL MEETS THE CITY CHAPTER 220
6:43:33PM DEFINITION OF A RIGHT-OF-WAY, BUT WE'RE BASICALLY VACATING
6:43:36PM THE FEES THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO CONTROL IT FOR THE PURPOSE
6:43:41PM OF MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY, SECURITY, AND OPERATION AND
6:43:46PM OUTDOOR SPECIAL EVENTS.
6:43:48PM WE REALLY SEE THE 7th SEGMENT AS BEING A 50-FOOT EXPANSION
6:43:53PM OF THE RIVERWALK AREA.
6:43:55PM WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE WALK-ON ORDINANCE THAT'S BEEN
6:43:59PM PRESENTED TODAY, AND WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT BETWEEN NOW AND
6:44:04PM SECOND READING THAT THERE WILL BE SOME LANGUAGE ADDED TO
6:44:06PM GIVE TECO A PARTIAL EASEMENT OVER THE STREET LIGHTING SYSTEM
6:44:09PM THAT WE'VE INSTALLED.
6:44:12PM WITH THAT, I KNOW IT'S LATE.
6:44:15PM I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
6:44:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS OR ANY QUESTIONS?
6:44:18PM ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE OR IN CHAMBERS THAT WANT TO SPEAK TO
6:44:23PM THIS?
6:44:26PM >> WE HAD A MEETING IN MID DECEMBER WITH BOTH NEIGHBORHOODS.
6:44:29PM WE SENT OUT CERTIFIED LETTERS EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT A
6:44:32PM REQUIREMENT OF THE PROCESS AND MET WITH RIDGEWOOD AND TAMPA
6:44:35PM HEIGHTS CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
6:44:38PM ABOUT 40 PEOPLE ATTENDED THE MEETING.
6:44:40PM WE HELD IT AT ARMATURE WORKS AND DISCUSSED IT AND OTHER
6:44:43PM TOPICS.
6:44:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ONLINE?
6:44:45PM MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
6:44:48PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
6:44:49PM ALL IN FAVOR?
6:44:50PM WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
6:44:52PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
6:44:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE A SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE HERE
6:44:57PM WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING, CLOSING,
6:45:00PM DISCONTINUING AND ABANDONING A PORTION OF 7th AVENUE
6:45:02PM RIGHT-OF-WAY AND A PORTION OF MARKET STREET RIGHT-OF-WAY
6:45:05PM LOCATED NORTH OF HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, SOUTH OF PALM AVENUE,
6:45:07PM EAST OF SANDRA HEIGHTS LANE AND WEST OF OLA AVENUE, ALL
6:45:10PM WITHIN THE PLAT OF THE HEIGHTS OF TAMPA SUBDIVISION, IN THE
6:45:13PM CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA, AS MORE FULLY
6:45:17PM DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 HEREOF, SUBJECT TO THE RESERVATION OF
6:45:20PM CERTAIN EASEMENTS AND THE IMPOSITION OF CERTAIN COVENANTS,
6:45:23PM CONDITIONS, AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY HEREIN.
6:45:27PM PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT OF PENALTY FOR VIOLATIONS AND
6:45:30PM PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS, AND REPEALING
6:45:33PM CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN
6:45:35PM EFFECTIVE DATE.
6:45:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
6:45:40PM -- COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
6:45:42PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
6:45:43PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
6:45:44PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
6:45:46PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
6:45:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
6:45:48PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
6:45:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
6:45:50PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
6:45:52PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
6:45:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
6:45:54PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
6:45:56PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON FEBRUARY 16th,
6:46:00PM 2023, AT 9:30 A.M.
6:46:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
6:46:05PM >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
6:46:07PM AGENDA ITEM 58, FILE NUMBER VAC-22-25.
6:46:14PM >>ROSS SAMONS: ROSS SAMONS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION,
6:46:17PM PRESENTING VAC-22-25.
6:46:19PM THIS IS A CITY-INITIATED VACATING PROPOSAL.
6:46:24PM AND THE PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 5001 NORTH 34th STREET.
6:46:30PM THIS IS TO VACATE A PORTION OF ELLICOTT STREET LYING NORTH
6:46:34PM OF LOUISIANA AVENUE, SOUTH OF CARACAS STREET, EAST OF 34th
6:46:39PM STREET AND WEST OF 36th STREET.
6:46:41PM THIS APPLICATION WAS FILED ON AUGUST 11, 2022.
6:46:47PM CITY OWNS PROPERTY ON NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE OF ELLICOTT
6:46:50PM STREET THAT IS PROPOSED TO BE VACATED.
6:46:52PM THIS IS FOR PARK IMPROVEMENTS AND EXTENSION OF THE EAST
6:46:56PM TAMPA RECREATION COMPLEX.
6:46:58PM THIS STREET WAS CREATED BY SUBDIVISION PLAT AND CITY OF
6:47:02PM TAMPA RIGHT-OF-WAY ACQUISITION.
6:47:05PM THIS IS LOCATED WITHIN THE EAST TAMPA OVERLAY DISTRICT.
6:47:08PM AND THE EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY IS APPROXIMATELY 10,650 SQUARE
6:47:11PM FEET.
6:47:11PM AERIAL VIEW OF ELLICOTT STREET, THE PROPOSED VACATING IN
6:47:22PM YELLOW, CITY OWNED PROPERTY IN RED.
6:47:30PM THIS IS THE CITY OF TAMPA ATLAS STREET SHOWING THE PORTION
6:47:37PM OF ELLICOTT STREET BE VACATED.
6:47:39PM PROPOSED TO BE VACATED.
6:47:40PM AND CITY-OWNED PROPERTY IN GRAY, AND THIS IS, AGAIN, THE
6:47:44PM PARK, AND TO SHOW EXACTLY WHAT WENT ON IN THE PAST AS FAR AS
6:47:49PM ACQUISITION, CITY ACQUISITION FOR PROPERTY FOR THE PARK
6:47:53PM ITSELF AND ALSO PREVIOUS RIGHT-OF-WAY VACATING.
6:47:57PM THIS IS A PORTION OF THE PLAT THAT VACATED THE ELLICOTT
6:48:08PM STREET BEFORE IT WAS -- AVENUE.
6:48:13PM THE OTHER IS UNPLATTED AND WAS PURCHASED BY THE CITY.
6:48:15PM THIS IS LOOKING EAST FROM THE INTERSECTION OF NORTH 34th
6:48:23PM STREET AND ELLICOTT STREET.
6:48:24PM AND THIS IS LOOKING WEST FROM ELLICOTT STREET FROM THE
6:48:36PM PORTIONS OF WHICH THE CITY OWNS THE SOUTH SIDE AND NORTH
6:48:41PM SIDE.
6:48:44PM OBVIOUSLY, STAFF HAD NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS VACATING REQUEST.
6:48:48PM IF THE VACATING IS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, EASEMENT
6:48:50PM RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR WASTEWATER, STORMWATER, WATER,
6:48:54PM TECO, FRONTIER, AND SPECTRUM.
6:48:56PM NATURAL RESOURCES MUST COMPLY WITH CHAPTER 27 IN REGARD TO
6:48:59PM TREE PRESERVATION AND SITE DESIGN FOR ANY IMPROVEMENTS
6:49:03PM PLACED ADJACENT TO ANY TREES IN A VACATED AREA.
6:49:06PM THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
6:49:07PM I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
6:49:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SAMONS?
6:49:10PM ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS?
6:49:14PM DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ONLINE?
6:49:16PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
6:49:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
6:49:19PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
6:49:21PM ALL IN FAVOR?
6:49:21PM ANY OBJECTIONS?
6:49:23PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
6:49:24PM COUNCILMAN GUDES, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE THIS ONE?
6:49:29PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
6:49:30PM VAC-22-25, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
6:49:35PM CONSIDERATION.
6:49:36PM AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING,
6:49:38PM CLOSING, DISCONTINUING, AND ABANDONING THAT PORTION OF
6:49:40PM ELLICOTT STREET RIGHT-OF-WAY LOCATED NORTH OF LOUISIANA
6:49:43PM AVENUE, SOUTH OF CARACAS STREET, EAST OF 34th STREET AND
6:49:47PM WEST OF 36th STREET WITHIN THE PLAT OF PRINCE'S
6:49:51PM SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN
6:49:54PM SECTION 2 HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS, CONDITIONS
6:49:57PM AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN;
6:50:00PM PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS,
6:50:04PM PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS AND REPEALING
6:50:06PM CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING AN
6:50:09PM EFFECTIVE DATE.
6:50:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
6:50:11PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
6:50:12PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
6:50:13PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
6:50:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
6:50:16PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
6:50:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
6:50:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
6:50:21PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
6:50:22PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
6:50:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
6:50:24PM >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
6:50:25PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON FEBRUARY 16,
6:50:29PM 2023, AT 9:30 A.M.
6:50:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
6:50:33PM COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE HAVE A MS. CARRIE COSTANTINACO WITH US.
6:50:43PM SHE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT.
6:50:55PM >> GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
6:50:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE SPEAK UP AND GIVE US YOUR NAME.
6:51:01PM >> IS THERE A MICROPHONE SOMEWHERE?
6:51:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, BUT CAN YOU PLEASE SPEAK UP?
6:51:06PM >> FIRST TIME, SORRY.
6:51:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT'S OKAY.
6:51:08PM TAKE YOUR TIME.
6:51:10PM >> GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
6:51:11PM MY NAME IS CARRIE COSTANTINACO.
6:51:16PM I USED TO RESIDE ON DAVIS ISLANDS BEFORE THE PANDEMIC THAT
6:51:19PM FLIPPED OUR LIVES UPSIDE DOWN.
6:51:21PM I ALSO USED TO WORK FOR DAVID STRAZ FOR MAYOR.
6:51:27PM SO I'M SURE THAT YOU RECOGNIZE ME.
6:51:30PM BUT I LOOK A LITTLE OLDER NOW.
6:51:32PM I ALSO USED TO VOLUNTEER FOR CLEANUP KENNEDY.
6:51:39PM I'M SURE THAT YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE NAME JOSEPH MANSON.
6:51:47PM HE SPEARHEADED AWARENESS REGARDING THIS ISSUE OF ILLICIT
6:51:53PM MASSAGE PARLORS ALONG KENNEDY BOULEVARD HERE IN TAMPA, THE
6:51:58PM CITY WE ALL LOVE, THE CITY THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE THE NEXT
6:52:01PM GREAT CITY IN AMERICA.
6:52:02PM I BELIEVE I'M HERE TO PRESENT WITH ALL OF YOU THE SOLUTION,
6:52:11PM IF YOU CAN SHUT DOWN ALL OF THESE ILLICIT MASSAGE PARLORS
6:52:15PM FOR GOOD, EVEN JUST OUT OF RESPECT FOR JOHN F. KENNEDY, OUR
6:52:20PM PREVIOUS PRESIDENT.
6:52:21PM I'VE ALREADY TRIED TO CONTACT MAYOR JANE CASTOR SEVERAL
6:52:29PM TIMES.
6:52:30PM SHE WILL NOT RETURN MY PHONE CALLS.
6:52:32PM AND I HAVE A VERY UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE AS TO WHY I WOULD LIKE
6:52:40PM TO SEE ALL OF THIS SHUT DOWN FOR GOOD.
6:52:42PM I'VE NEVER HAD THE OPPORTUNITY OF GETTING MARRIED YET,
6:52:48PM STARTING A FAMILY YET, AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO RAISE MY
6:52:52PM FAMILY IN A CITY WHERE CHILDREN ARE SOLD FOR SEX.
6:52:58PM I DON'T WANT TO BE SOLD FOR SEX.
6:53:00PM THIS CITY HAS BEEN A RED LIGHT DISTRICT LONG ENOUGH AND MY
6:53:07PM HEART CRY TODAY IS PLEASE, GOD, HAVE MERCY ON THIS CITY AND
6:53:12PM ON THIS CITY COUNCIL FOR NOT SHUTTING DOWN THESE ILLICIT
6:53:17PM MASSAGE PARLORS ALONG KENNEDY BOULEVARD AND HOW ABOUT THE
6:53:23PM STRIP CLUBS ALONG DALE MABRY WHO SERVED OUR NATION.
6:53:31PM DALE MABRY HIGHWAY.
6:53:33PM YOU'RE FAMILIAR.
6:53:34PM IT HAS TWO VERY LARGE STRIP CLUBS, ONE ON THE LEFT, 2001
6:53:41PM ODYSSEY, ONE ON THE RIGHT, MONS VENUS, NOT MY PROFESSION.
6:53:46PM I'LL TELL YOU WHO MY HERO IS.
6:53:49PM GOVERNOR RON DESANTIS AND HIS WIFE, FIRST LADY CASEY
6:53:53PM DESANTIS.
6:53:55PM IS MY TIME UP?
6:53:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU'VE GOT 30 SECONDS MORE.
6:53:59PM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN TO MY
6:54:02PM CONCERNS.
6:54:03PM I WANTED TO APPLAUD GOVERNOR DESANTIS AND FIRST LADY CASEY
6:54:07PM DESANTIS BECAUSE THEY LISTENED TO MY E-MAIL AND MY REQUEST
6:54:11PM TO SHUT DOWN THE STRIP CLUBS 2001 AND MONS VENUS ON DALE
6:54:17PM MABRY HIGHWAY DURING THE PANDEMIC FOR 30 DAYS.
6:54:22PM GREAT.
6:54:22PM I'M GRATEFUL FOR THAT, BUT I'D RATHER SEE THEM CLOSED
6:54:25PM PERMANENTLY.
6:54:26PM SORRY IF I WENT OVER MY TIME.
6:54:30PM SO YOU TALKED ABOUT MULTIPLE WAYS OF CONTROLLING SOMETHING,
6:54:36PM WHETHER IT BE LEGAL PENALTIES, ORDINANCES, ALL OF THESE
6:54:40PM THINGS, AND I BELIEVE YOU CAN JUST LOOK UP ALL THE RECORDS
6:54:44PM FROM JOSEPH MANSON, ALL OF THE ILLICIT MASSAGE PARLORS THAT
6:54:50PM HE ALREADY REPORTED TO YOU OR NEWS CHANNEL'S 8 REPORT ON ALL
6:54:55PM THAT.
6:54:56PM I'M NOT A PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR.
6:54:58PM I'M JUST A CONCERNED CITIZEN BECAUSE I LOVE THIS CITY.
6:55:02PM I WANT TO SEE IT CLEANED UP.
6:55:04PM AND IF WE CAN CLEAN UP TAMPA, WE CAN CLEAN UP ORLANDO.
6:55:07PM WE CAN CLEAN UP MIAMI.
6:55:09PM WE CAN CLEAN UP JACKSONVILLE.
6:55:10PM WE CAN CLEAN UP TALLAHASSEE.
6:55:12PM WE CAN CLEAN UP THE WHOLE STATE OF FLORIDA AND THEN WE CAN
6:55:15PM CLEAN UP OUR COUNTRY.
6:55:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
6:55:19PM >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
6:55:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
6:55:23PM ALL RIGHT.
6:55:25PM INFORMATION AND REPORTS.
6:55:28PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
6:55:28PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: COMMENDATION FOR SPRINGER WHO IS RETIRING
6:55:36PM FROM THE TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY AFTER BEING THERE 32 YEARS
6:55:40PM AT A FUTURE DATE.
6:55:41PM I WANT TO BRING IT UP THAT WE'LL GET ALL THE INFORMATION
6:55:43PM BEFORE WE BRING HER IN.
6:55:45PM VERY NICE LADY.
6:55:46PM SHE'S BEEN THERE 32 YEARS.
6:55:48PM THE TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY HELPING PEOPLE.
6:55:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
6:55:53PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
6:55:54PM ALL IN FAVOR?
6:55:54PM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
6:56:00PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK?
6:56:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A REQUEST FROM THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT.
6:56:10PM I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THE FOLLOWING REPORT FROM
6:56:13PM THE WORKSHOP ON JANUARY 26th, 2023, TO FEBRUARY 2nd,
6:56:17PM 2023, AT 9 A.M. UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
6:56:19PM THE ADMINISTRATION TO PROVIDE A QUARTERLY BUDGET AROUND THE
6:56:22PM HOUSING BUCKETS OR QUARTERLY REPORT AROUND THE HOUSING
6:56:27PM BUCKETS FROM HOMELESS SERVICES, RENTAL ASSISTANCE, HOME
6:56:29PM OWNERSHIP AND ACQUISITION AND REHAB THAT INCLUDES COLUMNS
6:56:33PM FOR FUNDS ALLOCATED, EXPENDED, ENCUMBERED AND AVAILABLE.
6:56:36PM THIS IS A RECURRING MEETING OR A RECURRING ITEM, BUT THEY'VE
6:56:41PM ASKED ME TO MOVE IT ANOTHER WEEK BECAUSE EVERYONE IS GOING
6:56:44PM TO BE OUT FOR SOME SORT OF WORKSHOP.
6:56:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:56:49PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
6:56:52PM ALL IN FAVOR?
6:56:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE LEGAL
6:56:56PM DEPARTMENT DRAFT AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE CODE OF
6:56:58PM ORDINANCES SECTION 18-86H TO PROVIDE FOR THE CITIZENS REVIEW
6:57:02PM BOARD TO SELECT LEGAL COUNSEL WHO IS NOT A CITY EMPLOYEE TO
6:57:06PM ADVISE THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD WITH THE FUNDING PROVIDED
6:57:09PM BY THE CITY.
6:57:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN
6:57:12PM HURTAK.
6:57:13PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
6:57:15PM MR. SHELBY.
6:57:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND DID YOU WANT TO GIVE THEM A CERTAIN
6:57:20PM AMOUNT OF TIME TO COME BACK?
6:57:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OH.
6:57:23PM I'M VERY SORRY.
6:57:24PM THANK YOU FOR THAT.
6:57:25PM ACTUALLY, I'M GOING TO HAVE IT COME BACK FEBRUARY 2nd.
6:57:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE ENOUGH TIME.
6:57:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IF IT'S NOT ENOUGH TIME, THEY'LL LET ME KNOW.
6:57:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:57:43PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
6:57:47PM ANY COMMENTS?
6:57:49PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
6:57:54PM ANY OPPOSED?
6:57:56PM >> NAY.
6:57:57PM >> NAY.
6:58:01PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MANISCALCO AND MIRANDA
6:58:03PM VOTING NO.
6:58:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
6:58:07PM MOTION REVIEWING THE ONE-YEAR RESIDENCY WAIVER FOR
6:58:10PM DEPARTMENT HEADS TO INCLUDE A LIST OF WHO IS CURRENTLY ON
6:58:12PM THE WAIVER LIST, A DEFINITION OF A DEPARTMENT HEAD VERSUS A
6:58:16PM MANAGER, AND PLEASE INCLUDE DATA REGARDING HOW OFTEN THIS
6:58:20PM HAS BEEN USED IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS TO COME BACK FEBRUARY
6:58:25PM 23rd, 2023, WITH THE SAFETY IMPROVEMENT.
6:58:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:58:31PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
6:58:33PM ALL IN FAVOR?
6:58:36PM >> AYE.
6:58:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK: FINALLY, A MOTION TO HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT
6:58:39PM AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN TFR AND LOCAL HOSPITALS REGARDING WAIT
6:58:42PM TIMES, COME BACK TO COUNCIL ON FEBRUARY 23rd, 2023 ALONG
6:58:47PM WITH THAT SAFETY REPORT.
6:58:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:58:49PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
6:58:51PM ALL IN FAVOR?
6:58:52PM >> AYE.
6:58:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S IT.
6:58:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
6:58:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
6:58:57PM I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PRESENT A COMMENDATION ON
6:59:00PM FEBRUARY 7th.
6:59:01PM THAT'S OUR PRESENTATION SESSION, TO 13 UGLY MEN.
6:59:05PM THAT IS THE NAME OF THE ORGANIZATION.
6:59:09PM AND THE REASON IS THAT THEY HAVE CONTRIBUTED THROUGH A
6:59:13PM VARIETY OF EVENTS, A VARIETY OF CHARITABLE FUND-RAISERS $3
6:59:18PM MILLION, GIVE OR TAKE, TO THE COMMUNITY.
6:59:20PM IF YOU GO TO TAMPA GENERAL HOSPITAL, THERE'S LIKE A
6:59:23PM CHILDREN'S PARK PLAYGROUND.
6:59:25PM THEY HELPED RAISE THE MONEY FOR THAT.
6:59:27PM I CAN GO ON AND ON AND ON.
6:59:29PM I SEE WHAT THEY DO IN THE COMMUNITY.
6:59:31PM VERY GOOD CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION.
6:59:33PM DON'T LET THE NAME FOOL YOU.
6:59:35PM BUT I'D LIKE TO PRESENT THEM WITH A COMMENDATION ON FEBRUARY
6:59:38PM 7 AT OUR PRESENTATION SESSION.
6:59:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
6:59:44PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
6:59:47PM ALL IN FAVOR?
6:59:47PM ANY OPPOSED?
6:59:48PM THANK YOU.
6:59:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S IT.
6:59:51PM THANK YOU, SIR.
6:59:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
6:59:52PM >>LUIS VIERA: I HAVE A FAVOR TO ASK.
6:59:54PM I HAD CONOR DURKIN, WHO YOU ALL REMEMBER, WAS ASSISTING IN
6:59:58PM MY OFFICE FOR TWO YEARS.
7:00:01PM SUCH A GREAT GUY.
7:00:02PM FEBRUARY 7, I THINK IT WAS, OUR COMMENDATION SESSION, I WAS
7:00:05PM GOING TO HAVE HIM COME.
7:00:06PM UNFORTUNATELY, I HAVE A CONFLICT THAT DAY SO I CAN'T.
7:00:09PM IS THERE ANY WAY, BECAUSE I KNOW WE USUALLY DON'T HAVE
7:00:12PM COMMENDATIONS, THIS WILL TAKE FIVE MINUTES AND MEAN SO MUCH
7:00:15PM TO CONOR AND HIS FAMILY TO HAVE IT ON FEBRUARY 16th.
7:00:18PM IF SO, WE CAN MOVE IT TO THE NEXT ONE.
7:00:20PM BUT I JUST ASK THAT, BECAUSE HE ALREADY LEFT US TWO MONTHS
7:00:24PM AGO AND DON'T WANT TO PUSH IT BACK.
7:00:27PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCIL.
7:00:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION --
7:00:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE A COMMENDATION THAT WAS GOING TO BE
7:00:38PM FEBRUARY 7 TO FEBRUARY 16 WHICH WE WOULDN'T NORMALLY TAKE --
7:00:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
7:00:45PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
7:00:47PM ALL IN FAVOR?
7:00:50PM >>LUIS VIERA: VERY BRIEFLY, IF I MAY.
7:00:51PM I WAS TALKING WITH THE OFFICE OF CONGRESS WOMAN KATHY CASTOR
7:00:56PM ON AN INITIATIVE HAPPENING.
7:00:57PM THIS IS A MOTION TO HAVE STAFF REPORT BACK TO US ON FEBRUARY
7:01:00PM 16th ON APPLICATION FOR A PROGRAM THAT THE FEDERAL
7:01:03PM GOVERNMENT IS DOING THAT CAN ACTUALLY EASE THE BURDEN HERE
7:01:06PM IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
7:01:06PM LONG STORY SHORT, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS EXPANDING THE
7:01:09PM PAROLE PROCESS FROM VENEZUELANS TO NICARAGUANS, HAITIANS AND
7:01:15PM CUBANS, THAT IS THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION ANNOUNCED UP TO
7:01:18PM 30,000 PEOPLE FROM THIS COUNTRY WHO HAVE AN ELIGIBLE SPONSOR
7:01:23PM AND PASSED VIGOROUS VETTING AND BACKGROUND CHECKS, CAN COME
7:01:26PM TO THE UNITED STATES FOR TWO YEARS AND RECEIVE WORK
7:01:28PM AUTHORIZATION AND ALSO EXPANDING LATIN AMERICAN REFUGEES.
7:01:32PM OF COURSE, THOSE WHO CROSS THE BORDER ILLEGALLY ARE
7:01:36PM PRECLUDED FROM THIS AND ALWAYS A VETTING PROCESS, ET CETERA,
7:01:39PM ET CETERA.
7:01:39PM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS AUTHORIZING $800 MILLION TO GO TO
7:01:42PM THE EMERGENCY FOOD AND SHELTER PROGRAM FROM FEMA FOR GRANTS
7:01:45PM FOR LOCAL COMMUNITIES.
7:01:47PM IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE A LOT OF COUNTIES HAVE GOTTEN THESE
7:01:51PM GRANTS IN PAST YEARS, BUT CITIES IN FLORIDA APPARENTLY
7:01:53PM HAVEN'T.
7:01:54PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY GOT ABOUT HALF A MILLION.
7:01:56PM PINELLAS COUNTY ABOUT 370,000.
7:01:58PM THE STATE OF FLORIDA GOT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY, AND IT
7:02:01PM APPEARS THAT TAMPA HASN'T GOTTEN THIS FUNDING.
7:02:03PM I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE INQUIRE ON THIS FOR TWO REASONS.
7:02:07PM NUMBER ONE BECAUSE THERE IS GOING TO BE A BIG INFLUX IN
7:02:09PM FLORIDA ON THIS ISSUE, SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE
7:02:12PM GOOD FISCAL STEWARDS.
7:02:13PM NUMBER TWO, I THINK IT'S ALSO VERY CONSISTENT WITH TAMPA'S
7:02:16PM VALUES, WHENEVER IT COMES TO ISSUES SUCH AS REFUGEES AS WE
7:02:18PM HAVE MANY, MANY REFUGEES HERE IN OUR CITY.
7:02:21PM THIS WOULD PAY FOR HOUSING, FOOD, SHELTER, COVID TESTING,
7:02:24PM AND OTHER SUPPORTIVE SERVICES.
7:02:27PM >> SECOND.
7:02:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION --
7:02:30PM >>LUIS VIERA: FEBRUARY 16, IF I MAY.
7:02:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
7:02:34PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
7:02:35PM ALL IN FAVOR?
7:02:36PM >> AYE.
7:02:36PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
7:02:37PM THAT'S IT.
7:02:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
7:02:39PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
7:02:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M VERY SORRY, MR. SHELBY LET ME KNOW THAT
7:02:47PM -- REMINDED ME THAT THERE IS ACTUALLY A REPORT ON FEBRUARY
7:02:50PM 16th ABOUT THE CURRENT STATUS OF CITY DEPARTMENT HEADS'
7:02:55PM COMPLIANCE WITH THE CHARTER.
7:02:56PM SO THAT ONE, THE SECOND, THE MIDDLE ONE ON THAT PAGE, IF YOU
7:02:59PM COULD CHANGE THAT FROM THE 23rd TO THE 16th, IF THAT'S
7:03:02PM OKAY.
7:03:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
7:03:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TO AMEND
7:03:07PM HER PRIOR MOTION.
7:03:11PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
7:03:13PM ALL IN FAVOR?
7:03:17PM >> AYE.
7:03:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. CHAIRMAN.
7:03:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU FOR ASKING.
7:03:21PM I MOVE TO INVITE THE BLACK HISTORY COMMITTEE TO DISCUSS THE
7:03:27PM UPCOMING 35th ANNUAL BLACK HISTORY CELEBRATION AT THE
7:03:32PM TAMPA CONVENTION CENTER, AND I'M REQUESTING THAT TO BE ON
7:03:35PM FEBRUARY 2nd'S AGENDA.
7:03:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM THE CHAIRMAN WITH
7:03:39PM A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
7:03:40PM ALL IN FAVOR?
7:03:41PM ANY OPPOSED?
7:03:42PM ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
7:03:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I JUST NEED A MOTION TO --
7:03:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MADAM CLERK.
7:03:50PM >>THE CLERK: I HAVE ONE THING.
7:03:52PM IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT ON MARCH 7th IS
7:03:55PM ELECTION DAY AND YOU ALL HAVE SCHEDULED COMMENDATIONS.
7:04:00PM SO IF YOU WANT TO CANCEL THAT DAY, WE'LL NEED TO MAKE A
7:04:03PM MOTION AS WELL AS MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THE COMMENDATION FOR
7:04:06PM THE POLICE OFFICER OF THE MONTH.
7:04:07PM WE CAN MOVE TO MARCH 2nd OR --
7:04:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE IT TO MARCH 2nd.
7:04:20PM I SEE ONE STAFF REPORT.
7:04:21PM MOTION TO MOVE THE MARCH 7 POLICE OFFICER OF THE MONTH TO
7:04:25PM MARCH 2 RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE AGENDA.
7:04:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
7:04:31PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
7:04:32PM ALL IN FAVOR?
7:04:34PM >> MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
7:04:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND TO CANCEL THE MARCH 7th MEETING.
7:04:41PM ALL IN FAVOR?
7:04:42PM >> AYE.
7:04:47PM >>THE CLERK: RECEIVE AND FILE.
7:04:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE BY COUNCILMAN
7:04:50PM MIRANDA.
7:04:51PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
7:04:52PM ALL IN FAVOR?
7:04:54PM >> AYE.
7:04:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE'RE ADJOURNED.
7:04:58PM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
7:05:01PM
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