TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, JANUARY 19, 2023
9:00 A.M.

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09:03:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
ARE WE READY?
EVERYTHING HAS GONE IN?
AND WELCOME TO CITY COUNCIL MEETING HELD THIS DAY ON JANUARY
19, 2023.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:03:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
MY PLEASURE THIS MORNING TO WELCOME A -- A FREQUENT VISITOR
HERE TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL TO GIVE THE INVOCATION.
PASTOR NANCE WHO IS A FRIEND TO MANY OF US AND A FAMILIAR
FACE WHOM YOU KNOW.
SIR, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME TO THE LECTERN AND PLEASE
STAND FOR THE INVOCATION AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE.
09:04:10AM >> LET'S PRAY.
OUR FATHER, WE JUST WANT TO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR GRACE
AND KINDNESS UPON US AND LORD, WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR
MULTITUDE OF BLESSINGS.
FASTER, WE THANK YOU FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA AND HOW YOU HAVE
BLESSED US AND, LORD, HOW YOU JUST PROTECTED US AND KEPT US
IN SO MANY WAYS AND WE LOOK TO YOU AND PRAISE YOUR NAME FOR
THAT.
LORD, AS WE COME TO THE CITY COUNCIL, LORD, WE KNOW THAT
THIS IS A BODY THAT MAKES MANY DECISIONS.
AND DISCERNS THE DIRECTION OF OUR CITY AND, LORD, WE PRAY
THAT YOU WILL GRANT THEM WISDOM AND FAVOR AND HELP.
AND LORD, I JUST PRAY THAT YOU GIVE THEM, LORD, WHAT THEY
NEED.
I PRAY THAT YOU WILL BE WITH OUR MAYOR.
I PRAY THAT YOU WILL BE WITH OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT.
I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD BLESS THEIR HOMES.
BLESS THEIR LIVES.
AND FATHER, WE JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE LOVE THAT YOU
HAVE FOR US AND THE PROTECTION THAT YOU GIVE US TO ON A
DAILY BASIS.
LORD, IF THERE ARE SPECIAL BURDENS IN THIS ROOM, LORD, I ASK
YOU TO PRAY AND MINISTER TO THOSE.
WE LOVE YOU AND THANKFUL FOR YOU IN JESUS'S NAME WE PRAY.
AMEN.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:05:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
PLEASE BE SEATED.
ROLL CALL.
09:05:40AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
09:05:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
09:05:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
09:05:45AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
09:05:46AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
09:05:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:05:49AM >>CLERK:
YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:05:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES FROM
JANUARY 5.
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ANY DISCUSSION?
ANY CHANGES?
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION HAS PASSED.
LET'S GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.
EXCUSE ME -- I AM SORRY.
MR. SHELBY.
09:06:19AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST VERY BRIEFLY.
GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN.
MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNTY COUNCIL.
TO WAIVE THE RULES TO CONTINUE CMT AS SET FORTH IN THE
NOTICE ON THE AGENDA.
THANK YOU.
09:06:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR.
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALL RIGHT, WE WILL GO THROUGH THE AGENDA ITEM NOW.
FIRST WE WILL HEAR -- NOT AT THIS TIME, BUT WE ARE GOING TO
HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH ZOO TAMPA ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATES.
I HAVE -- WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TWO THINGS COME UP FIRST.
ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATES.
WE WILL BE DISCUSSING THE PROPOSED CHARTER CHANGES.
ALSO WE HAVE OUR BLACK HISTORY MONTH, I BELIEVE, IS ALSO
GOING TO BE ADMINISTRATIVE FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2.
THEN WE WILL BE MOVING UP AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8 AND 37 TO BE
DISCUSSED DURING THE ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATES.
CHIEF BENNETT.
09:07:29AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
GOOD MORNING TO OUR PUBLIC AS WELL.
MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE AGENDA REVIEW YESTERDAY -- AND I
DON'T KNOW IF MR. SHELBY CAN HELP US HERE, BUT SEVERAL
WALK-ON ITEMS.
WE HAD SENT A MEMO IN TO HAVE ITEM 2, 37, BROUGHT UP TO TWO
AND ITEM 8 BROUGHT UP TO TWO TO SUPPORT CHIEF TRIPP'S
TIMELINE.
WHATEVER PLEASURE IS COUNCIL BETWEEN THE WALK-ONES AND ITEM
2, WE WILL HEAR THIS REPORT.
THANK YOU.
09:08:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION TO MOVE ITEMS 8 AND 37 UP AND TO
HAVE DISCUSSION OF THE CHARTER -- CHARTER AMENDMENTS AND --
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
OH, I AM SORRY.
I THOUGHT -- MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
RESOLUTION FOR AGENDA ITEM 3 AND 4.
WE HAVE RESOLUTIONS FOR 5 AND 6.
AND I BELIEVE MR. BHIDE WILL BE WITH US AND WE WILL HEAR
THOSE AT THE SAME TIME.
ALSO RESOLUTION FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8, WHICH IS COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ARE WE
STILL GOING TO BE HAVING A LIVE IN PERSON?
09:08:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MOVING THAT TO NUMBER TWO.
09:09:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NUMBER 9.
NUMBER 10, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:09:05AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES, PLEASE.
09:09:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NUMBER 11.
09:09:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ABSOLUTELY.
09:09:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MISS DUNCAN WILL BE TALKING 12 AND 13.
AND 27 AND 28 WILL ALSO BE DISCUSSED AT THAT TIME.
AND AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:09:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
13.
YES.
13, 14, YES, 15, 16, YES.
09:09:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MAKER OF THE MOTION FOR 17.
YES, PLEASE AND THANK YOU.
NUMBER 18, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
I BELIEVE THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED TO BE MOVED TO FEBRUARY
23.
09:09:49AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SO MOVED.
09:09:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
09:09:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR.
09:09:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
AND THE ADDENDUM.
09:10:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AND THE ADDENDUM.
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR.
ANY OBJECTION.
09:10:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL DO
IT NOW OR THEN BUT ITEM NUMBER 59, A REQUEST TO BE CONTINUED
APRIL --
09:10:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT IS A 1:30 MEETING.
WE WILL HAVE TO COME BACK AFTER LUNCH.
09:10:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU GOT IT.
09:10:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OKAY.
EVERYTHING SET?
LET'S DO CRITTER TALKING.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM ZOO TAMPA HERE.
09:10:32AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I AM JOE COUCEIRO, THE CEO OF ZOO TAMPA, AND I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF
WORKING WITH A BUNCH OF GOOD PEOPLE AND NEAT ANIMALS AS
WELL.
RONNIE ALLEN WHO MANAGES OUR AMBASSADOR PROGRAM THAT REACHES
UP TO ALL OF OUR GUESTS WITH UP-CLOSE ENCOUNTERS NOT JUST
THE ZOO BUT AUTO OUTREACH CAPACITY LIKE THIS ONE.
RONNIE, TELL EVERYBODY WHAT FRIENDS YOU MAY BE PLAYING WITH
TODAY?
09:11:03AM >> ABSOLUTELY.
09:11:04AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, IT WOULD BE EASIER
FOR THE CAMERAS TO PICK YOU UP AND GET TO THE MICROPHONE AS
WELL.
09:11:11AM >> WELCOME, EVERYONE, A PLEASURE TO BE HERE WITH ALL OF YOU
THIS MORNING.
MY NAME IS RONNIE, LIKE JOE SAID.
AND THIS IS MY TEAMMATE.
SHE IS A PORCUPINE.
AND THIS IS SYLVIO.
HE IS AN ANTEATER.
ZOO TAMPA, OUR AMBASSADOR PROGRAM OUR GOAL IS TO INSPIRE
GUESTS AND IN A UP-CLOSE AND PERSONAL WAY JUST LIKE WE ARE
DOING WITH YOU TODAY.
OUR PRIVILEGE TO BE HERE.
THESE ANIMALS ARE BOTH NATIVE TO SOUTH AMERICA.
AND THEY ARE OVER 500 SPECIES NATIVE TO SOUTH AMERICA THAT
ARE CURRENTLY ENDANGERED.
A HUGE GOAL OF OURS TO CONNECT PEOPLE WITH WILDLIFE AND TRY
TO CONNECT THEM WITH WAYS THEY CAN HELP THEIR SPECIES EITHER
FROM FLORIDA OR WHEREVER THEY MAY COME FROM.
09:12:07AM >> THANK YOU, RONNIE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON OUR CRITTERS?
09:12:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN, PLEASE -- COUNCILMEMBERS.
09:12:18AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I JUST WANT TO SAY ABOUT THE ZOO IN
GENERAL, THESE THINGS WOULDN'T BE POSSIBLE WITHOUT YOUR
LEADERSHIP AND EVERYONE UNDER YOU.
EVERY TIME I VISIT THE ZOO, EVEN FROM THE -- WALKING IN
WHERE THE PEOPLE GREET YOU AT FIRST.
THEY ARE ALL FIRST CLASS.
THEY SMILE AND SAY GOOD MORNING, GOOD AFTERNOON AND GOOD
EVENING AND TREAT YOU WITH DIGNITY AND HONOR.
WITHOUT THAT, THE ZOO COULDN'T HAVE DONE WHAT IT DID AND I
AM SURE YOU WILL SPEAK ABOUT IT.
AND I AM NOT TRYING TO STEAL YOUR THUNDER OR ANYONE'S
THUNDER.
ALL OF YOUR EMPLOYEES, EVERYBODY WHO VISITS THERE HAVE SET
RECORDS.
I WILL LET YOU TALK OF THE RECORDS LATER ON.
I AM NOT GOING TO GO THERE.
AN AMAZING THING AND I HOPE THAT THE ZOO CONTINUES TO GROW.
WHEN I STARTED IN COUNCIL BACK IN THE '70s.
NOT THAT I STAYED ALL THE WAY '70s TO HERE.
LET ME CLARIFY THAT.
PEOPLE WHO COME TO VACATION -- NEVER A DESTINATION POINT.
WE MADE A DESTINATION BECAUSE OF THE AQUARIUM, THE ZOO
AND STRAZ.
NOTHING IN DOWNTOWN BUT STRAZ AND THE JAIL WHEN I STARTED.
WHAT YOU HAVE DONE YOU NEED TO BE COMMENDED TO.
THE GRATITUDE FROM PEOPLE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND ALL OVER
THE WORLD REALLY IS AMAZING THING OFF THIS ON IT AND
MADE THE TAMPA CITIZENS MUCH HAPPIER, MUCH ENTHUSED, MUCH
INVOLVED IN THE CLIMATE OF THE WORLD AND YOU GUYS ARE TO BE
RECOGNIZED FOR A LOT MORE THAN THIS.
BUT I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU FOR
DOING WHAT YOU HAVE DONE, WHAT YOU WILL CONTINUE TO DO AND
WHAT YOU WILL DO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:13:51AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
09:13:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:13:53AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR
LEADERSHIP AND ALL THE COMPANIES AND PEOPLE WHO SPONSOR THE
ZOO.
YOU KNOW, WHEN -- WHEN THIS ZOO WAS DESIGNED I DON'T KNOW
HOW MANY YEARS AGO, IT WAS A VERY INNOVATIVE DESIGN.
SIMILAR TO THE AIRPORT.
SOMETHING THAT MAKES PEOPLE IN TAMPA PROUD AND GIVES US A
GREAT NAME ALL OVER THE WORLD.
PEOPLE WHEN THEY TALK OF GREAT ZOOS AND GREAT FACILITIES,
THEY TALK ABOUT IT.
SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO.
AND THANK YOU FOR -- JOHN IF YOU ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT
EXPANSION PLANS TODAY, BUT THANK YOU FOR INNOVATING AND
EVOLVING BECAUSE MORE OF THE STORY TO TELL.
AND I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE SOME EXCITING PLANS.
THANK YOU.
09:14:32AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
09:14:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
PLEASE.
I HEARD A -- A FIGURE OR STATEMENT.
BESIDES THE ATTRACTIONS, WHICH IS DISNEY, BUSCH GARDENS AND
LEGO LAND, ZOO TAMPA IS THE NUMBER ONE DESTINATION,
ATTRACTION IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
DID I HEAR THAT CORRECTLY AT SOME POINT?
09:14:55AM >> YES, SIR, THE NUMBER ONE CULTURAL INSTITUTION IN THE
STATE OF FLORIDA.
ZOOS, AQUORUMS AND SO FORTH.
09:15:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AMAZING RIGHT IN OUR CITY.
I REMEMBER BACK IN THE '70s WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL GOING
TO ZOO TAMPA AND THE EXPANSION AND THE GROWTH WITH THE BIG
CAT EXHIBIT YOU GUYS HAVE HAD.
I HEAR THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE PLANNED LIKE RESCUES
AND HOSPITALS.
I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE OUTCOME OF THAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BRINGING YOUR STAFF AND EVERYONE BACK
IN THE BACK THERE.
AND THESE WONDERFUL ANIMALS FOR US TO SEE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:15:27AM >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
WE -- WE ARE HERE TODAY TO JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU A SNAPSHOT
OF WHERE WE ARE AS FAR AS THE ZOO IS CONCERNED AND WE ARE
GOING.
WE ALSO WILL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON SOME OF THE WORK WE HAVE
DONE WITH JOHN BENNETT AND NICOLE TRAVIS AND HER STAFF IN
ORDER TO BE ABLE TO UPDATE A LEASE THAT HAS BEEN OUTDATED
FOR YEARS.
AND WE FINALLY, I THINK, MADE PROGRESS TO THE POINT WHERE
YOU WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT PRESENTED TO YOU AND HOPEFULLY
APPROVED GOING FORWARD AND TAKING CARE OF SOME ITEMS.
SO WE WILL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL IN A MINUTE.
FIRST OF ALL, LET ME JUST TALK ABOUT WHO WE ARE.
AND MAYBE MORE IMPORTANTLY THAN WHO WE ARE, WHY WE ARE.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
OUR VISION.
EVERYONE WE TOUCH IS MOTIVATED TO JOIN US IN TAKING ACTION
TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE WILDLIFE.
YOU KNOW, YOU SIT DOWN IN MEETINGS AND SPEND FIVE HOURS
COMING UP WITH EVERY WORD AND COMMA AND SO FORTH IN A
VISION.
I KIND OF BELIEVE I WANT TO SHOW YOU WHAT THIS MEANS RATHER
THAN TELL YOU WHAT IT MEANS.
WITH THAT, YOU CAN BE PATIENT WITH A MINUTE AND A HALF, WE
HAVE A VIDEO TO SHOW YOU.
09:16:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DO WE HAVE SOUND?
09:16:59AM >> DO WE HAVE SOUND?
09:17:00AM >> GET TO WHERE THEY ARE GOING AND PROTECT ONE ANOTHER.
IN THE HUMAN WORLD, TOGETHER IS HOW WE BIND ONE GENERATION
TO THE NEXT.
IT IS HOW WE LEARN, HOW WE PLAY, AND HOW WE CREATE THE
MEMORIES THAT MAKE US A FAMILY.
TOGETHER IS AT THE HEART OF EVERYTHING WE DO AT ZOO TAMPA.
WE BRING ANIMALS FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD TOGETHER SO WE
CAN PROTECT THEM, CARE FOR THEM, AND ENSURING THEIR SURVIVAL
FOR YEARS TO COME, BUT WE ALSO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER SO THEY
CAN SEE THESE AMAZING ANIMALS UP CLOSE AND LEARN MORE ABOUT
OUR UNIQUE RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM HERE IN ENVIRONMENTS
CAREFULLY CREATED TO MEET THE NEEDS OF EACH SPECIES.
THE FURRY ALONGSIDE THE FEATHERED.
THE SAVAGE BESIDE THE GENTLE.
AND LARGEST CREATURES IN THE WORLD NEVER CEASE TO AMAZE THE
SMALLEST.
DIFFERENT ANIMALS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD TOGETHER.
DIFFERENT PEOPLE FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE TOGETHER.
CONNECTING WITH EACH OTHER TO EACH OTHER IN THE WAY THAT
NATURE ALWAYS INTENDED.
TOGETHER.
PLAN YOUR VISIT TO ZOO TAMPA TODAY AND DISCOVER OUR WORLD
TOGETHER.
09:18:18AM >> I THINK THAT GIVES A LITTLE BETTER IDEA THAN A BUNCH OF
WORDS ON A PAGE.
WE HAVE THE PRIVILEGE AND WORKING IN THAT ENVIRONMENT EVERY
DAY AND WELCOMING GUESTS EVERY SINGLE DAY AND THE QUALITY OF
THE PRESENTATION NEEDS TO BE THE SAME AT VERY HIGH LEVEL
EVERY SINGLE DAY.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO PROGRESS.
AND WHEN I ARRIVED A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO ABOUT SEVEN YEARS
AGO, THE ZOO HAD ABOUT 700,000 PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE AND
ABOUT $15 MILLION IN OPERATING REVENUE.
NOW AT $1.2 MILLION AND $45 MILLION IN OPERATING REVENUE.
SO WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS.
BUT WE FEEL WE CAN DO A LOT MORE.
AND LET'S FIRST START WITH WHERE WE ARE SO YOU CAN GET AN
IDEA OF THE PROGRESS WE HAVE MADE AND WE WILL TALK A LITTLE
BIT ABOUT WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO GO GOING FORWARD.
KAREN JUBRAIL IS OUR CFO AND WILL TAKE YOU THROUGH THE NEXT
STAGE OF THE PRESENTATION.
09:19:18AM >> GOOD MORNING, KAREN JUBRAIL AND THE CEO OF ZOO TAMPA AND I
WILL BRIEFLY TAKE YOU THROUGH KEY ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND
PERFORMANCE TRENDS.
AS WAS ALREADY MENTIONED, WE HAD ANOTHER RECORD YEAR IN
ATTENDANCE AND THE MOST HIGHLY ATTENDED CULTURAL
INSTITUTION.
IN ADDITION, WE CONTINUE TO PROVIDE MANATEE CARE LEADERSHIP
DURING AN UNPRECEDENTED YEAR.
WE WERE VERY HONORED TO BE NAMED TAMPA'S 2022 EMPLOYER OF
THE YEAR BY THE MAYOR'S ALLIANCE OF PERSONS WITH
DISABILITIES.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
AND I HOPE THAT ALL OF YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE US ON
"SECRETS OF THE ZOO TAMPA."
THIS IS A HIGHLY RATED SERIES ON NAT GEO WILD AND DISNEY
PLUS.
WE PREMIERED IN 2020, AND WE ARE AIRING OUR FOURTH SEASON
NOW AND A TOTAL OF 36 EPISODES.
WE DO REACH A GLOBAL AUDIENCE.
AND NOT ONLY INCREASES THE AWARENESS OF THE ZOO'S MISSION
BUT ALSO BROUGHT A DIVERSIFIED AUDIENCE BASE TO THE ZOO
WHICH IS ALSO A BOON TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THIS ATTENDANCE GRAPH IS BASICALLY A HIGH LEVEL OR BIG
PICTURE SNAPSHOT OF THE ATTENDANCE TREND, HISTORICALLY OR
OUR PROJECTED ATTENDANCE TRENDS THROUGH 2026.
WHAT THIS SHOWS IS THAT BACK IN FISCAL YEAR '15, WE WERE
AROUND 700,000 GUESTS AND THROUGH FISCAL YEAR '22, WE HAVE
GROWN TO ALMOST $1.2 MILLION.
AND WE ARE WERE JECTED TO GROW TO $1.3 MILLION IN FISCAL
YEAR '26.
AND THAT IS JUST IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.
OUR OPERATING REVENUE TREND SHOW BACK IN FISCAL YEAR '15, WE
WERE AT AROUND $15 MILLION IN REVENUE.
WE HAVE GROWN TO ALMOST $45 MILLION.
AND WE PROJECT TO GROW TO AROUND $54 MILLION BY 2026.
AND THIS IS A COMPOUND ANNUAL GROWTH RATE OF 11.6%.
SO I TOLD YOU I WOULD BE BRIEF, SO THAT IS WHAT I HAVE.
I WOULD LOVE TO TURN IT OVER TO SCOTT ROSE, OUR COO.
THANK YOU.
09:21:37AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
I AM SCOTT ROSE.
I AM CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER FOR ZOO TAMPA.
AS JOE MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH CITY
STAFF TO REVISE THE ZOO LEASE THAT WE HAVE WITH THE CITY.
FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE STAFF FOR
COLLABORATING WITH US TO GET US -- WE ARE JUST AT ABOUT THE
FINISH LINE HERE AND WE WILL HAVE THAT TO YOU VERY SOON FOR
YOUR REVIEW AND ASK FOR THE APPROVAL OF IT.
AS YOU MAY KNOW, THE ORIGINAL LEASE DATES BACK TO THE 1980s.
THE LAST TIME IT WAS REVISED WAS IN 2011.
IT WAS TIME FOR A REVISION FOR THAT.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE DELETED OUTDATED PROVISIONS AND
UPDATED AND SIMPLIFIED THE LANGUAGE THAT IS IN THE LEASE TO
MORE CONCISELY SUMMARIZE THE LEASE'S HISTORY AND ELIMINATE
PROVISIONS THAT NO LONGER APPLY LIKE LANGUAGE ON
CONSTRUCTION OF THE ORIGINAL ZOO FACILITY.
IT ALSO ELIMINATES AMBIGUITY REGARDING OWNERSHIP OF ANIMALS.
THE ORIGINAL LEASE INCLUDED AN ANIMAL INVENTORY OF ANIMALS
INITIALLY PROVIDED TO THE ZOO.
THROUGH THE YEARS THAT OWNERSHIP HAS TRANSITIONED TO THE
ZOO.
AND NOW ALL OF THE ANIMALS AS CLEARLY STATED IN THE LEASE,
ALL THE ANIMALS ARE UNDER THE OWNERSHIP OF THE ZOO AND ONLY
THE ZOO IS LICENSED TO HOLD AND CARE FOR THESE ANIMALS.
UPDATES INSURANCE PROVISIONS.
THE CITY HAS IMPROVED ITS INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS OVER THE
YEARS AND THIS UPDATE WILL INCORPORATE THOSE AND BRING THOSE
STANDARDS TO TODAY'S STANDARDS OF THE NEW REQUIREMENTS.
ALSO, IT INCLUDES ADDING A PARCEL OF LAND TO THE LEASE.
THIS IS A -- THE PARCEL OF LAND WHERE THE BAND SHELL IS
CURRENTLY SITTING.
A FOUR-ACRE PARCEL THAT RUNS FROM HAMILTON CREEK SOUTH TO
THE CORNER OF SLIGH AVENUE AND N. BOULEVARD.
THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR US BECAUSE IT WILL ALLOW US TO THEN DO
SOME MUCH-NEEDED RENOVATIONS AND IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR PARKING
LOT.
WHICH REALLY ADDRESSES A NUMBER OF ISSUES.
ONE ISSUE IT ADDRESSES IS SAFETY.
WE HAVE A NUMBER OF SAFETY INITIATIVES PART OF THIS PARKING
LOT IMPROVEMENT INCLUDING THE REMOVAL OF THE BAND SHELL.
THE BAND SHELL IS IN DISREPAIR.
IT'S NONOPERATIONAL.
IT HAVEN'T BEEN USED IN ABOUT EIGHT YEARS.
AND PROVIDES US WITH A REAL SAFETY ISSUE THAT WE HAVE THERE.
IT IS THE SITE OF WHERE A LOT OF THE SCHOOL KIDS HAVE THEIR
LUNCHES AND FAMILIES VISITING THE ZOO HAVE THEIR LUNCHES.
AND ALSO, WE PLAN TO REMOVE THAT.
AND REBUILD THAT WHOLE PICNIC AREA AROUND THERE.
REAL NICE FACILITY FOR SCHOOL KIDS AND FAMILIES VISITING THE
SCHOOL.
OTHER SAFETY ISSUES IT WILL ADDRESS IS VEHICLE TRAFFIC
THROUGH THE PARKING LOT, PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, SAFETY
RAILINGS, IMPROVED SIDEWALKS AND IMPROVED CROSSWALKS.
REALLY JUST TO ADDRESS AND MAKE IT A SAFER AND MUCH MORE
ENJOYABLE EXPERIENCE IN PARKING.
AND THE OTHER THING IT ALLOWS US TO DO IS EXPAND PARKING
INTO THAT PARCEL.
THERE IS A SMALL PARKING LOT THERE NOW.
WE INTEND TO EXPANDS THAT AND CONNECT IT TO THE MAIN LOT.
PARKING IS A REAL CHALLENGE.
WE RUN OUT OF PARKING ON MANY DAYS OF THE YEAR AS KAREN
INDICATED.
OUR ATTENDANCE HAS GROWN SIGNIFICANTLY.
WE ARE LOOKING FOR A NUMBER OF WAYS TO IMPROVE THE PARKING
CAPACITY FOR OUR -- FOR OUR GUESTS.
ONCE WE FINISH ALL OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, WE WILL BE
PARTNERING WITH THE CITY TO MANAGE THE PARKING LOT AND ADD
THE PARK MOBILE SYSTEM WHICH THE CITY HAS IN ALL THE PARKING
AREAS HERE DOWNTOWN AND OTHER AREAS.
SO WE WILL BE -- PARTNERING WITH THE CITY ON THAT.
A REVENUE SHARE MODEL AND PROJECTIONS WILL DELIVER A REVENUE
STREAM TO THE CITY OF APPROXIMATELY $200,000 PER YEAR, WHICH
WILL CONTINUE TO GROW AS OUR ATTENDANCE GROWS.
SO ONCE AGAIN, WE ARE FINALIZING THE LANGUAGE IN THE LEASE.
AND WE WILL BE DELIVERING IT TO YOU FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL
VERY SOON.
HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS.
09:25:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:25:46AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.
AND THANKS -- THIS IS THE FIRST TIME HEARING ABOUT ALL THE
DETAILS OF IT.
THANKS TO THE ADMINISTRATION FOR BEING OPEN TO CHANGING
THIS.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ISSUES IS THAT -- SORRY TO MIX
METAPHORS BUT THE ANIMALS HAVE BEEN A POLITICAL FOOTBALL
OVER THE 10 TO 20 YEARS.
THE LAST ADMINISTRATION USED THAT AS LEVERAGE AGAINST THE
ZOO.
I AM GLAD THIS ADMINISTRATION IS OPEN TO FIXING THAT.
ABSURD REQUIREMENT THAT THE CITY WOULD OWN ANIMALS THAT WERE
BORN AT THE ZOO.
SO THANK YOU TO ANYONE FOR WORKING ON THIS.
I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THIS.
THE ZOO IS IMPORTANT.
WE NEED ENLIGHTENED LEADERS TO THINK AHEAD.
I DIDN'T SAY THIS BEFORE, MY KIDS GREW UP GOING TO THE ZOO
BACK WHEN I WAS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA IN 1985 OR '86.
I FILMED MY MOVIE FOR A CLASS PROJECT AT THE ZOO.
I THINK IT WAS PASSAGE TO INDIA AND I HAD TO SHOOT ZOO
ANIMALS AND PULL IT TOGETHER.
THE ZOO HAS BEEN A PART OF MY LIFE FOR A LONG TIME AND I LOOK
FORWARD TO HAVE MY GRANDKIDS AND OTHERS GO THERE TO
PARTICIPATE.
THANK YOU.
09:26:56AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
09:26:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:26:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
REAL QUICK, WE LOVE THE ZOO EVER SINCE I
WAS A KID.
I TAKE MY STEPDAUGHTER THERE.
MY OLDEST STEPDAUGHTER.
SHE WILL GO DAY AFTER DAY.
SOME WEEKS IF WE CAN, MY WIFE WILL TAKE HER MONDAY THROUGH
FRIDAY.
AND SHE LOVES THE ANIMALS.
SHE LOVES WHAT -- YOU WHAT IT IS.
YOU KNOW, FOR KIDS TO ENJOY.
BUT ALSO AS -- YOU KNOW, AS TAMPA GROWS AND YOU HAVE TOUCHED
UPON -- OR IT HAS BEEN TOUCHED UPON BEFORE THE ATTENDANCE,
THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO COME HERE.
I THINK WE BEAT OUT -- ARE WE THE LARGEST IN THE STATE OF
FLORIDA BY ATTENDANCE?
09:27:33AM >> LARGEST CULTURAL FACILITY, YES.
09:27:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE INTEREST IS THERE.
I THINK THE INVESTMENT IS WORTHY.
I KNOW THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EXPANSION AND I HAVE SEEN VIDEO
ON THE PROJECTS AND WHAT NOT, BUT IT IS -- IT IS A VERY
SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY ASSET AND EXPANDING UPON THAT WILL
ONLY BENEFIT THIS COMMUNITY.
SO I AM HAPPY TO SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, THE ZOO AND ITS PLANS
MOVING FORWARD IN WHATEVER WE CAN DO.
THANK YOU.
09:27:57AM >> WE APPRECIATE THAT SUPPORT.
09:28:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:28:02AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
AND GROWTH HAS A BENEFIT OF ANY BUSINESS THAT SATISFIED WITH
THE CONSTANT SAME ATTENDANCE IS IN ESSENCE DYING.
BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS GOING TO TAKE THE OTHER SHARE.
SO WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IS AMAZING, ALL OF YOU.
AND BESIDES THAT, IF ANYONE LISTENING IS HAVING A BAD DAY
AND YOU FEEL LIKE YOU DON'T FEEL SO GOOD.
IF YOU CAN FIND A PARKING SPOT, GO VISIT THE ZOO.
09:28:27AM >> WE ARE WORKING ON THAT.
09:28:30AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM TRYING TO GET TO WHERE I AM GOING.
IF YOU FEEL THAT WAY, FIND A PARKING SPOT, PARK, DON'T EVEN
GO IN.
STAND IN THE EXIT DOOR AND WHEN YOU SEE THE KIDS SMILING AND
HOW THEY FEEL, YOUR DAY BECOMES A BETTER DAY, BECAUSE YOU
SEE ALL THIS GLORY AND ALL THIS FEELINGS OF WHAT THEY HAVE
SEEN AND HEARD ABOUT AND MAYBE SEEN IT ON TELEVISION.
BUT WHEN THEY GET THERE AND THEY ACTUALLY SEE THE ANIMALS,
THEY ARE IN A DIFFERENT WORLD.
AND WHEN THEY COME OUT, YOU WILL BE IN A DIFFERENT WORLD AND
THE EXPRESSION OF FEELING NOT TOO WELL BECOMES POSITIVE WHEN
YOU SEE THAT.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
09:29:07AM >> THANK YOU.
EXCITING EXPANSION PLANS.
AND TURN IT BACK OVER TO JOE TO TELL YOU ALL ABOUT IT.
09:29:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
EXCUSE ME, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:29:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE WORK -- ONE
THING I HAVEN'T HEARD MENTIONED IS THE WORK WITH RESCUE.
ESPECIALLY MANATEES.
THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS A STRUGGLE TO KEEP MANATEES ALIVE.
I WENT TO VISIT THE ZOO, YOU HAD JUST RELEASED TWO MANATEES
WHO CAN FEND FOR THEMSELVES AND YOU BROUGHT ANOTHER ONE IN.
AND I AM GLAD TO HEAR YOU WILL BE DOING THE EXPANSION FOR
RESCUE AND REHABILITATION AS WELL.
09:29:42AM >> YES.
A BIG PART OF WHAT WE DO.
MAJOR FOCUS FOR US.
09:29:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I HAVE SEEN SOME AMAZING SHOWS AT THAT BAND
SHELL OVER THE YEARS, EVERYTHING FROM A PUNK BAND TO
EVERYBODY'S CHILDHOOD AND MELANIE WHO DID THE BRAND-NEW
ROLLER SKATES.
EIGHT YEARS.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING IN EIGHT YEARS.
MAYBE TIME FOR A CHANGE.
CHIEF BENNETT, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO ADD?
09:30:13AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I WILL WAIT UNTIL THEY ARE DONE.
09:30:15AM >> THANK YOU.
THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT WE SET A GOAL FOR OURSELVES.
WE WORKED HARD AT IT.
WE PUT TOGETHER A BUSINESS PLAN AND STRATEGIC PLAN AND PUT
TOGETHER A MASTER PLAN.
WE ACHIEVED OUR VISION, IF YOU WILL, FOR THE FIRST FEW YEARS
THAT THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION AT THE ZOO HAS BEEN THERE,
BUT WE DO HAVE A BIGGER VISION.
SO SOME OF YOU HAVE SEEN THIS AND SOME OF -- WHEN WE TALK OF
A BIGGER VISION, NOT JUST SIMPLY ABOUT THE ZOO ITSELF, IT IS
ABOUT MANATEE RESCUE.
WE ARE ADDING TWO NEW POOLS TO INCREASE OUR CAPACITY FOR
MORE MANATEE PATIENTS.
WE ARE ADDING MORE OUTREACH VEHICLES SO WE CAN GO IN THE
FIELD AND TAKE CARE OF THESE MANATEES.
NOT JUST MANATEES, BUT FLORIDA PANTHERS.
ANY NATIVE FLORIDA WILDLIFE WE CAN RESCUE.
OUR BRAND ESSENCE, WE CALL IT "UNFORGETTABLE NATURAL
CONNECTIONS."
YOU SAW THE UNFORGETTABLE NATURAL CONNECTIONS WITH WHAT
RONNIE AND HER TEAM DO EVERY DAY.
UNFORGETTABLE NATURAL CONNECTIONS OF THE ANIMAL STAFF AND
MANATEES AS THEY TRY TO CARE FOR THEM.
ANIMAL CONNECTION IS A LITTLE GIRL FEEDING THE GIRAFFE FOR
THE FIRST TIME AND MAKING A LIFE-LONG MEMORY THEY WILL NEVER
FORGET.
ANOTHER UNFORGETTABLE NATURAL CONNECTION IS MOM WATCHING HER
LITTLE GIRL DOING THAT AND A MEMORY THEY WON'T FORGET.
WE KNOW PERFECTLY WELL THAT OUR GOAL HERE IS THAT WE NEED TO
CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THOSE UNFORGETTABLE NATURAL CONNECTIONS
AND WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF FLORIDA WILDLIFE AS BEST WE CAN
AND INSPIRE OTHERS TO TAKE ACTION.
GOING FORWARD, WE HAVE -- WE WANT TO SERVE THE NEEDS OF THE
TAMPA COMMUNITY I SAID THAT LINE FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO AT A
SOCIAL FUNCTION.
EVERY CITY DESERVE AS GREAT ZOO.
AND WE ARE A GREAT ZOO AND WE CAN BE GREATER.
TAMPA IS A GREAT CITY AND CAN BE GREATER.
AND WE WANT TO SHARE OUR VISION FOR THE FUTURE.
09:32:18AM >> ZOO TAMPA, AN ICONIC ZOOLOGICAL PARK WITH A LEGACY OF
HIGHER STANDARDS.
IN ENTERTAINMENT, EDUCATION, CONSERVATION AND MOST
IMPORTANTLY, IN MAKING VITAL CONNECTIONS BETWEEN GUESTS AND
THE NATURAL WORLD.
NOW AS OUR RESILIENT TAMPA BAY AREA TRANSFORMS, SO DOES ZOO
TAMPA.
A VISIONARY PLAN THAT BEGAN WITH THE TRANSFORMATION OF THE
FLORIDA REALM.
THE OPENING OF ROARING SPRINGS.
AND NOW A TOTALLY REIMAGINED FLORIDA WILDS.
NOWHERE IS THE ZOO'S CONSERVATION MISSION MORE DEEPLY
EXPRESSED THAN HERE, A SANCTUARY FOR FLORIDA WILDLIFE
INCLUDING GATORS, BLACK BEARS, AND THE RULER OF THE REALM,
THE FLORIDA PANTHER.
FRIENDS AND FAMILIES WILL EXPERIENCE UP-CLOSE MOMENTS AS
PANTHERS ROAM ACROSS AN EXPANDED HABITAT WITH UNFORGETTABLE
FACE-TO-FACE ENCOUNTERS CREATING A BOND WITH THE RARE AND
ENDANGERED SPECIES.
A STORY OF CONNECTION THAT CONTINUES WITH, MANATEE RESCUE
CENTER.
THE JURY BEGINS WITH A NEW MANATEE OVERLOOK THAT OFFERS A
BIRDS-EYE VIEW OF THESE MAJESTIC SEA MAMMALS AND THE
OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN WHAT THREATENS THEIR SURVIVAL, FROM THE
DEDICATED TEAM WHO CARE FOR AND RETURN INJURED, SICK, AND
ORPHANED MANATEES BACK TO FLORIDA WATERS.
ALREADY THE LARGEST NONPROFIT MANATEE CRITICAL CARE CENTER
IN THE WORLD, THE NEW MANATEE RESCUE CENTER WILL EXPAND THE
ZOO'S ACUTE CARE CAPACITY WITH THE ADDITION OF A NURSERY
POOL FOR THE MOST DIRE AND VULNERABLE PATIENTS.
THE ADVENTURE CONDITIONS AS GUESTS STEP INTO A WONDROUS
WORLD OF AQUATIC MARINE LIFE FROM SEEING MANATEES GRACIOUSLY
SWIMMING UNDER WATER TO ANSWER COUNT WE ARE STINGRAYS AND
OTTERS UP CLOSE IN THEIR OWN RIVER BANK OASIS.
AN UNFORGETTABLE JOURNEY OF DISCOVERY WITH THE GOAL OF
INSPIRING GUESTS TO HELP PRESERVE FLORIDA'S OCEANS, COASTAL
ENVIRONMENTS AND SEA LIFE FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.
FROM HERE THE TRANSFORMATION CONTINUES INTO SOUTH AMERICA.
IT IS A NEW REALM WITH AN EXPANSION THAT WILL BRING THE ZOO
TO THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY RIVER.
DELIVERING AN ENTIRELY NEW WAY OF CONNECTING WITH WILDLIFE.
CULTURAL ROOTS.
A CENTURY-LONG HERITAGE THAT COMES TO LIFE AS GUESTS ARE
TRANSPORTED THROUGH THE SIGHTS ARE, AROMAS, TASTES AND FEEL
OF THE CONTINENT.
VISITORS WILL TAKE IN MEMORABLE ENCOUNTERS WITH SEA LIONS,
GIANT RIVER OTTERS, JAGUARS, AND A WIDE RANGE OF OVER
INCREDIBLE SOUTH AMERICAN SPECIES CULMINATED WITH A DINING
EXPERIENCE WITH CUISINES AND A MARGARITA OR A MOJITO.
ONLY THING TO TOP THE EXPERIENCE IS A RIVAL FROM THE RIVER.
A NEW LEVEL OF ENJOYMENT BUT ONE THAT NEVER LOSES SITE OF
THE CONSERVATION MISSION AND CRITICAL ROLE IN INSPIRING
ACTION TO HELP PROTECT WILDLIFE AND WILD PLACES.
THAT COMMITMENT TO CONSERVATION THAT TAKES US FURTHER INTO
THE FUTURE.
TO THE EXPANDED AFRICA REALM, BOLDLY REIMAGINED HOME FOR
SOME OF THE WORLD'S MOST MAJESTIC SPECIES.
HERE GUESTS ENCOUNTER GIRAFFES, ELEPHANTS, ZEBRAS, RHINOS,
ALL TOGETHER IN AN EXPANDED MULTISPECIES HABITAT THAT
ROTATES DAILY AND A NEW EXPERIENCE WITH EVERY VISIT.
MADE EVEN MORE MEMORABLE WITH A CABANA RENTAL AT THE EDGE OF
THE SAVANNAH.
A HOME BASE FOR THE DAY AND CAMPERS SLEEP WITHIN A LION'S
ROAR.
THE AFRICA REALM ENSURES THAT ENDANGERED ANIMAL SHOW PIECES
THRIVE AND ARE APPRECIATED AT EVERY LEVEL.
THE ALL-NEW GORILLA HABITAT, RED RIVER HAWKS AT GROUND
LEVEL.
CLIMBING HIGHER WITH SIDE-BY-SIDE ENCOUNTERS WITH GORILLAS,
AND EYE-LEVEL MOMENT WITH A VARIETY OF PRIMATES HIGH IN THE
TREE TOPS.
EVERY STEP IN THE TRACK LEADS TO LASTING CONNECTIONS AND AN
UNDERSTANDING OF CRITICAL ONGOING CONSERVATION EFFORTS.
A SIMILAR TAKEAWAY IS FOUND A SHORT STROLL AND A CONTINENT
AWAY AMIDST THE SPECIES AND HABITATS OF THE TRANSFORMED
ASIAN REALM.
HERE OVERHEAD PATHS BLUR THE LINE BETWEEN VISITORS AND
ANIMAL HABITATS.
ONE NEVER KNOWS WHEN OR WHERE AN ORANGUTAN OR TIGER MIGHT
SHOW UP DELIVERING AMAZING NOSE-TO-NOSE ENCOUNTERS.
A WONDERFULLY REMARGE OF IMAGINED HOMES WITH IMPROVED
ENVIRONMENTS BEFITTING A ZOO THAT REMAIN TRUE TO ITS HIGH
STANDARDS.
CONFIDENT GOING FORWARD.
THE TAMPA BAY AREA CONTINUES ITS REMARKABLE JOURNEY, ZOO
TAMPA FORGES A VISION BEYOND THE HORIZON.
JOIN US AT ZOO TAMPA THE FUTURE IS NOW!
09:37:43AM >> BEFORE I TAKE ANY QUESTIONS, LET ME MAKE A COUPLE OF
THINGS CLEAR.
NUMBER ONE, THIS IS NOT IN THE LEASE.
THE LEASE INCORPORATES WHAT SCOTT TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
THIS IS FOR ONGOING DISCUSSION.
A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED ISSUE.
NUMBER TWO, A 20-YEAR PLAN THAT WILL COST $125 MILLION.
NOT ASKING FOR ANY MONEY THROUGH THE CITY.
WE ARE PLANNING TO FUND IT THROUGH OTHER SOURCES AND FIND A
WAY TO DO THAT OVER THE 20-YEAR PERIOD.
THE IMPORTANT PART HERE IS THAT WE ALSO WANT TO RESPECT THE
INTEGRITY OF LOWRY PARK AND SO WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO
INFRINGE UPON THE PUBLIC ACCESS -- ANY PUBLIC ACCESS OF
LOWRY PARK.
THOSE ARE THE DISCLAIMERS WE HAVE.
HOPEFULLY YOU CAN KIND OF GET AN IDEA WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO
GO IN THE FUTURE.
WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THIS WITH WHY YOU ARE INVOLVEMENT.
WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IT WITH WHY YOU ARE FEEDBACK.
WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IT WITH COMMUNITY MEETINGS WE HAVE WITH
OUR NEIGHBORS TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK.
A WORK IN PROGRESS AND WE ARE EXCITED AND OPTIMISTIC WE CAN
GET THIS DONE.
ANY QUESTIONS?
09:38:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:38:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
FIRST, THIS IS SPECTACULAR.
A WONDERFUL IDEA AND A WONDERFUL WAY TO ACTIVATE THE
RIVERFRONT.
YOU SEE THAT PROPERTY IS WHERE WE HAVE OUR VEHICLES AND
STORAGE.
I GO THROUGH THAT AREA AND IT IS NOT VERY WELL-KEPT.
YOU ALL YOU KNOW THAT BECAUSE YOU WORK RIGHT THERE.
YOU ANSWERED ONE OF MY QUESTIONS HOW MUCH MONEY YOU WANT IN
PUBLIC DOLLARS.
YOU ARE SAYING YOU ARE FUNDING IT THROUGH A VARIETY OF
SOURCES NOT PUBLIC FUNDS FROM US.
09:39:19AM >> I SHOULD BE CLEAR, CHARLIE MIRANDA GIVES US A CHECK EVERY
YEAR.
BESIDES THAT.
09:39:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BESIDES THAT.
09:39:26AM >> BESIDES FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WE ARE NOT ASKING
ANYTHING.
09:39:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I THINK THIS IS A GREAT USE AND WAY TO
ACTIVATE THE RIVERFRONT OVER THERE.
THE RENDERING WERE THERE.
THE ACCESS POINTS.
MY QUESTION IS THIS.
LOWRY PARK.
THE PUBLIC ACCESS PART THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS, I HAVE
REQUESTS AND COMPLAINTS REGARDING THE DOCKS AND EVERYTHING.
WILL YOU BE WILLING AS PART OF THIS PROJECT TO TAKE OVER THE
MAINTENANCE OR THE REHABILITATION OF THAT AREA?
09:39:59AM >> ABSOLUTELY.
09:40:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT IS ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS.
THAT IS THE FIGURE I RECEIVED AND WHAT WE WOULD BUDGET FOR
TO FIX THAT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THERE IS AN EMPTY AREA
WHICH IS PARKING THE DIRT AREA ON THE LOT.
EAST OF BOULEVARD.
WILL THAT BE PARKING?
09:40:22AM >> I WILL TAKE YOU THROUGH THE OVERHEAD IMAGE, BUT A SMALL
AREA THAT IS CURRENTLY PARKING THAT WILL REMAIN PARKING SO
IF WE HAVE ANY EVENTS ON THAT SIDE OF THE PARK, WE ARE NOT
ASKING PEOPLE TO PARK ON ONE SIDE AND TRAVEL TO THE ZOO TO
GET TO THE OTHER SIDE.
BECAUSE CONNECTED OVER N. BOULEVARD WITH A TREE TOP
BOARDWALK.
PARKING FOR EVENTS.
RIVER ACCESS TO WORK WITH THE WATER TAXI FOLKS.
TROY IS HERE TODAY.
WE HAVE BEEN WORK WITH THEM TO TRY TO CREATE ACCESS THAT
WILL BE FACILITATED BY THIS DESIGN.
LET US KNOW YOU WHAT WE HAVE IN MIND.
MARK.
09:41:00AM >> COUNCILMAN, WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS THE AREA IN THE
PINK, SORT OF HERE TO THE RIGHT.
AND THAT IS -- THE AREA WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE ACTUAL
ZOO EXPANSION IS IN THE GREEN PRIMARILY SO THIS IS -- THIS
WILL BE POTENTIALLY PUBLIC ACCESS WITH RESTAURANTS.
WE SORT OF LIKE TO LOOK AT IT AS MAYBE RIVERWALK NORTH AND
EXTENDING THE RIVERWALK UP TO THIS PART OF THE CITY.
09:41:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY, SO YOU WILL BE PROTECTING THE
EXISTING PARKING FOR PUBLIC ACCESS.
YOU WOULD BE TAKING OVER THE MAINTENANCE OR REHABILITATION
OF THE DOCKS OR WHAT NOT I WAS JUST MENTIONING.
WHAT ELSE.
YOU ARE NOT ASKING FOR PUBLIC FUNDS FROM US --
09:41:45AM >> FROM THE CITY, YES.
09:41:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FROM THE CITY.
BASICALLY YOU ARE ASKING FOR THE LAND, WHICH IS BEING USED
FOR STORAGE OF VEHICLES AND MAINTENANCE AND ALL THAT STUFF.
SO IT IS -- AS THE DEAL WOULD BE, THE LAND SWAP.
YOU WOULD TAKE OVER.
YOU WOULD FUND EVERYTHING.
YOU WOULD TAKE OVER THE -- THE EXISTING LOWRY PARK DOCK AREA
AND FIX THAT.
THAT IS MILLION DOLLARS I DON'T HAVE TO CHASE IN THE BUDGET.
AND THAT'S REALLY IT.
I MEAN I -- I KNOW YOU NEED THE PUBLIC INPUT AND YOU ARE
GOING TO BE REACHING OUT TO FOLKS, BUT I THINK THIS IS A
GREAT AND WORTHY COMMUNITY BENEFIT THAT TAKES THE BURDEN OFF
US IN MANY WAYS.
IT MAINTAINS THE PUBLIC ACCESS POINT AND THE PARK AND
IMPROVES UPON THAT AND EXPANDS UPON THAT AND NOT CAUSING THE
TAXPAYERS -- MEANING THE CITY OF TAMPA.
YOU ARE NOT ASKING FOR MONEY FROM OUR BUDGET TO FUND THIS.
MY QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:42:42AM >> OKAY.
09:42:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
NO?
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:42:47AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
INTERIM DIRECTOR SHAKING HER HEAD.
SHE HAS COMMENTS AND SHAKING HER HEAD LIKE -- I WANT TO MAKE
SURE WE ARE CLEAR ON THE DEAL.
09:42:56AM >> I THINK WE NEED TO BE CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT A DONE DEAL
BY ANY MEANS.
09:43:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THIS IS NOT A ASK TODAY.
09:43:03AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
I WAS GOING TO SAY, NICOLE TRAVIS, DIRECTOR
OF DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
THE PRESENTATION FOR YOU TODAY WAS TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON
WHERE THE ZOO IS.
AND KICKING OFF THEIR RENOVATIONS AND EXPANSION.
THIS -- EVERYTHING EAST OF BOULEVARD IS NOT A DONE DEAL.
THINGS WE HAVE TO WORK OUT.
TO SAY THAT WE ARE -- THAT IT IS ONLY A MILLION DOLLARS.
WE WOULD HAVE TO RELOCATE CITY FACILITIES.
WE DON'T HAVE LAND OR THE RESOURCES TO DO THAT NOW.
SOMETHING WE ARE WORKING OUT IN TALKING TO THE ZOO ABOUT.
SEVERAL DIFFERENT ITERATIONS AND PROCESSES AS JOE MENTIONED
EARLIER THAT WE NEED TO GO THROUGH.
SO THE LAND IS -- MAY NOT HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT, BUT THERE IS
A MONETARY FIGURE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
BUT WE ARE WORKING ON THE LEASE AMENDMENT.
THAT SHOULD BE COMING TO YOU VERY SOON AND THIS KICKS OFF
FOR THE ZOO WHAT THEY ARE HOPING TO ENDEAVOR IN THE NEXT
SEVERAL YEARS AS THEY EXPAND AND MOVE FORWARD.
SEVERAL MORE STEPS TO COME BEFORE THAT -- TO BE ABLE TO GET
THERE.
AND THIS WILL COME BEFORE YOU AT ANOTHER TIME.
09:44:04AM >> AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, IT IS A COMPLICATED -- YOU KNOW TO
RELOCATE AND ALL OF THAT.
SO WE ARE WORKING WITH NICOLE AND HER TEAM AND THE MAYOR'S
OFFICE TO SEE HOW WE CAN BEST DO THAT.
09:44:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:44:17AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I -- I ALWAYS HAVE BEEN TOLD SPEAK YOUR MIND.
SO I AM THINKING ABOUT WHAT MY MIND IS GOING TO SAY TO THAT.
LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY.
IF TODAY THAT PARCEL OF LAND WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING WAS TO
BE REVIEWED BY SOME OTHER HIGHER AGENCIES BROWN FIELD
DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO CLEAN IT UP.
SO THE POPULATION OF THE PROPERTY OF THAT LAND RIGHT NOW HAS
GOT TO BE FOR SOME PURPOSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RELATED TO.
AND LET ME SAY THIS.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MONIES.
IT IS AMAZING HOW SOME EVENTS COST THE CITY $250,000 EVERY
TIME THERE IS AN EVENT BY CONTRACT.
IT IS ALSO FUN FOR ME TO SAY THE FIRST $2 MILLION OF SOME
AGENCY DOING SOMETHING AND THAT PROPERTY GOES TO SOMEBODY
OTHER THAN THE CITY.
THAT IS A FACT.
I CAN GO ON AND ON AND ON.
NOT ONLY THAT EVENT, ALL EVENTS.
SO HERE IS SOMETHING THAT CREATES AN AMBIENCE NOT ONLY FOR
THE KIDS, NOT ONLY FOR THE PARENTS, BUT IT IS ONE OF THE
DRIVING ENGINES.
THIS AND THE AQUARIUM IS ALL WE HAD.
WE HAD A CONVENTION CENTER WHICH WAS VERY NICE.
AS BEAUTIFUL AS IT WAS AND ALMOST AS OLD AS I AM.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE THINGS, WITH THAT CONVENTION
HOTEL, WE WERE LOSING MILLIONS EVERY YEAR.
SO NOW THOSE THINGS ARE BUILT OUT.
THE CONVENTION CENTERS MAKING ITSELF PROFITABLE.
IT WAS LAST TIME I LOOKED.
AND WHY?
BECAUSE WE -- WE HELPED MAKE IT THAT WAY BY BRINGING IN ONE
HOTEL, THAT BROUGHT IN COMPETITION FROM ANOTHER ONE AND FROM
ANOTHER ONE AND ANOTHER ONE THAT MAKES THE AQUARIUM AND
DON'T FORGET THE STREET CAR THAT WAS DONE UNDER THE GRECO
ADMINISTRATION.
I THINK THE COST ABOUT $11 MILLION TO $13 MILLION.
I AM NOT SURE OF THAT.
THAT THE PEOPLE COULD RIDE.
WE USED TO ROLL UP THE STREETS AT 5:00 IN THE AFTERNOON.
I WAS HERE WHEN THAT HAPPENED.
THE CREWS NO LONGER WORKING BECAUSE, WHAT?
WE CHANGED FROM BEING WHAT WE WERE TO SOMETHING THAT THE
KIDS OF THE PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS WHO LIVE HERE WERE
LIVING SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND NOW BECAUSE OF THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA,
UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA GONE TO 1200 STUDENTS FEW YEARS BACK
TO 12,000.
BIGGER THAN WAKE FOREST AND PRINCETON FOR ENROLLMENT.
NOW WHAT ARE WE THINKING OF?
AN OPPORTUNITY, FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE FAIR NEGOTIATIONS
ON BOTH SIDES.
NOT ONE ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER SIDE, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO
SOME AGREEMENT AND THIS IS NOT AN AGREEMENT WE ARE WORKING
ON TODAY.
JUST A TALK OF WHAT THE ZOO HAS ACCOMPLISHED ON THEIR OWN.
NO CRA IN THE ZOO.
NO $5 UNTIL OR $50 MILLION OR $20 MILLION GOING TO THE ZOO.
THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE GOING TO MAKE IT THEMSELVES.
AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT.
SO I AM NOT SAYING WE SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE WHAT WE DID, BUT I
AM SAYING A VAST DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU COMPARE THE APPLES TO
THE ORANGES.
NOT A FAIR COMPARISON.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:47:27AM >> THANK YOU.
09:47:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
MY -- MY GIRLFRIEND'S EIGHT-YEAR-OLD GRANDSON, WHO IS A
GAMER, HAS THE VR GOGGLES AND -- I LOOKED AT HIM AND I SAID,
HEY, LET'S GO TO THE ZOO.
THE GRAPHICS ARE WONDERFUL.
YOU SHOULD SEE IT.
[LAUGHTER]
THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION.
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT TIME YOU COME IN HERE AND
GIVING US HOPEFULLY MORE GOOD NEWS.
09:47:52AM >> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE TIME YOU HAVE TODAY.
WE APPRECIATE IT.
09:47:55AM >> I WANT TO ADD ONE THING IF I HAVEN'T MADE IT CLEAR
BEFORE, I WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR RIGHT NOW, THE LEASE
TAKES CARE OF THE IMMEDIATE NEEDS.
YOU SAW A SNAPSHOT WHERE WE ARE FINANCIALLY AND PRESENTLY
AND WE ARE IN GOOD SHAPE.
THE VIDEO IS SOMETHING THAT IS A WORK IN PROGRESS AS NICOLE
POINTED OUT.
WE FELT IT WAS A BETTER IDEA TO TAKE CARE OF THE IMMEDIATE
NEEDS ON THE LEASE AND GO BACK TO THIS GOING FORWARD.
SO MANY THINGS TO WORK OUT.
SO MANY OBSTACLES TO GET THROUGH.
I AM A PERSISTENT KIND OF GUY AND I AM PRETTY SURE WE CAN
MAKE IT HAPPEN.
WE MAY FIND A HURDLE OR TWO BUT WE WILL GET THROUGH IT.
I SAID IT EARLIER BUT I WANT TO THANK JOHN BENNETT.
I WANT TO THANK NICOLE, I WANT TO THANK THE TEAM BECAUSE
THEY HELPED GET US HERE.
GOING FORWARD, WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU
COLLECTIVELY AND INDIVIDUALLY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:48:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CHIEF, DID YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING NOW?
09:48:50AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
JUST BRIEFLY.
IT WAS COVERED WHEN NICOLE TRAVIS CAME UP, BUT WE WANTED TO
MENTION WE APPRECIATE COUNCIL RECOGNIZING THE CREATIVE
COLLABORATION.
I HAVE A SPECIAL WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ZOO FOR --
FOR DOZENS OF YEARS.
MOSTLY IN PROTECTED MEASURES AND SUPPORT OF THE ENVIRONMENT.
AND I JUST WANT TO THANK THE LEGAL TEAM, NICOLE TRAVIS,
DENNIS ROGERO, ALL THE WORK THEY ARE DOING TO GET US THROUGH
THESE PHASED GOAL LINES.
A TEAM SPORT AND I APPRECIATE COUNCIL RECOGNIZING THE FACT
WE ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO GET IT DONE.
THANK YOU.
09:49:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GENTLEMEN, SOMEBODY IN THE BACK THAT YOU
WANT TO INTRODUCE THAT IS A COLLEAGUE NOW?
NO?
AND ISN'T DUSTIN WITH YOU?
NO?
09:49:41AM >> DUSTIN PORTILLO.
09:49:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE ALL KNOW HIM FROM PRIOR COMMENDATIONS AND
I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU WOULD WANT TO INTRODUCE HIM.
09:49:50AM >> COME ON UP WITH ME.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
TROY, OWNER OF STARSHIP DINING CRUISES AND WATER TAXI AND
BAY ROCK AND A COUPLE OF OTHER FLOATING ATTRACTIONS
DOWNTOWN.
DUSTIN FORTILLO.
THE NEW DIRECTOR OF PR.
STARTED THIS WEEK.
A GREAT START FOR THIS WEEK.
AND ZOO TAMPA, YOU LOOK AT THE INVESTMENT.
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID.
A WORLD-CLASS ZOO.
THE REASON WE HAVE RECORD VISITATION HERE IN TAMPA IT IS THE
REASON HOY TELLS ARE DOING AS WELL THEY ARE.
WE ARE HAVING RECORD BED TAX.
WE ARE COMMITTED OF SUPPORTING THE TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR
TO THE ZOO.
WE HAVE A BETA TEST, THE EXPRESS RUNNING UP TO THE ZOO.
WE LEARNED A LOT IN THE BETA TEST.
WE SPENT THE LAST YEAR TO HAVE A WATER TAXI TO MAKE THE
TRANSIT FROM DOWNTOWN TO THE ZOO.
A CATAMARAN WITH ONLY EIGHT FEET OF VERTICAL CLEARANCE WHICH
IS A CHALLENGING IT IS A TOCK GET TO HILLSBOROUGH AND
COLUMBUS BRIDGES WITHOUT THEM OPENING TO TRANSIT TO THE
SCHOOL, CAPABLE OF GETTING UP TO HIGHER SPEEDS TO MAKE THE
TRANSIT MORE TIMABLE, LOW WEIGHT, ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY,
AND THAT VESSEL IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION HERE IN TAMPA BY TAMPA
WORKERS AT OUR MAINTENANCE FACILITY.
SO WE ARE COMMITTED TO INVEST WELL OVER $1 MILLION IN WATER
TAXI CONSTRUCTION.
THIS IS THE FIRST OF TWO WE ARE BUILDING.
WE EXPECT TO LAUNCH IT BY THE END OF THE YEAR AND WE EXPECT
TO STAND UP THE ZOO EXPRESS ROUTE AT THE END OF THE YEAR,
EARLY NEXT YEAR AT THE LATEST QUESTION WILL START THAT
CONNECTIVITY AGAIN.
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, CONNECTING THE AQUARIUM AND THE
ZOO TOGETHER IS ESSENTIAL.
CREATES A GREAT ALL-DAY EXPERIENCE.
WHAT WE LEARNED IN THE BAY AT THAT TEST.
WE HAVE FULL TAXIS GOING TO THE ZOO.
EMPTY TAXIS COMING BACK.
NOW WE ARE FILL THEM BOTH WAYS WITH VISITING BOTH CULTURAL
ATTRACTIONS.
WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT OPPORTUNITY.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I AM HAPPY TO DISCUSS THAT.
09:51:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:52:00AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE TO HELP PEOPLE AND
MAKE TAMPA LIKE IT IS.
HOTEL OCCUPANCY ONE OF THE HIGHEST IN THE COUNTRY.
88% OR 9% OCCUPANCY.
ONE OF THE HIGHEST.
BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO GO TO.
YOU HAVE MOVEMENT AROUND THE RIVER AND ENTRANCE TO TO THE
BAY; HOWEVER, WHEN I HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE CALL ME -- AND I
CAN HAVE THEM CALL YOU IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
NORTH OF THE COLUMBUS DRIVE BRIDGE, INDIVIDUALS THAT OWN
PROPERTY ON THE RIVERFRONT, AND THEY ARE VERY MUCH CONCERNED
BECAUSE THE WAKE DOESN'T GO FAR ENOUGH, THEY SAY.
AND THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE SAYING.
WHATEVER WE ARE GOING TO DO WITH THE ZOO, WE ME TO MAKE SURE
IT IS TIME-WISE FEASIBLE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY -- NOT YOUR
BOATS BUT OTHER BOATS THAT ARE GOING HIGH SPEED AND WE HAVE
TO HAVE MORE VIGILANT PATROL.
I KNOW YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DO THAT, BUT OTHERS MIGHT.
SO WE HAVE TO HAVE CONFERENCE OF THE MINDS OF THE LEGAL
DEPARTMENT AND REVIEW THE WAKE ZONE IN THAT AREA.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:53:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:53:02AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CONGRATS, DUSTIN.
09:53:04AM >> THANK YOU.
09:53:05AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TROY, THANKS FOR YOUR ENTREPRENEURIALSHIP ON
THIS.
WHAT YOU HAVE DONE WITH THE PIRATE TAXI AND OTHER THINGS
CHANGED THE WAY THAT PEOPLE EXPERIENCE THE CITY BY SEEING IT
AND EXPERIENCES IT FROM THE RIVERWALK.
WHEN YOU STARTED THE TAXI A LOT OF PEOPLE INCLUDING ME
THOUGHT IT WOULDN'T SUCCEED BUT NOW WIDELY SUCCESSFUL.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP WITH THE MARITIME
COMMUNITY.
YOU AND YOUR FAMILY HAVE BEEN VERY INVOLVED.
WE APPRECIATE IT.
09:53:31AM >> THANK YOU.
09:53:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:53:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I ALSO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
I LOVE THAT YOU ALL ARE A VIABLE AND GROWING ALTERNATE
TRANSIT.
SO I REALLY JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT.
I SEE PEOPLE IT ALL THE TIME.
I RIDE IT MYSELF.
I REALLY ENJOY IT.
I THINK IT IS A GREAT PART OF THIS CITY.
THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO WANT TO GROW AND TO TRY TO ALLOW
PEOPLE TO JUST PARK ONCE AND BE ABLE TO -- TO MOVE ABOUT OUR
CITY IN DIFFERENT WAYS, THANK YOU.
09:54:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR NEW FORM OF
TRANSPORTATION WHICH IS NOT REALLY NEW, BUT AROUND FOR 10,
15 YEARS.
09:54:14AM >> WHAT'S THAT --
09:54:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THE WATER TAXIS.
09:54:17AM >> THE WATER TAXIS ARE SIX YEARS.
09:54:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SIX YEARS OLD.
A HUGE SUCCESS.
THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.
MR. PORTILLO, GREAT TO SEE YOU BACK IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
09:54:29AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
09:54:30AM >> THANK YOU.
09:54:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AT THIS TIME, WE WILL NOW BE TAKING PUBLIC
COMMENT.
ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WHO WISH TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS
TIME, PLEASE FORM A LINE ON MY LEFT, YOUR RIGHT.
AND YOU WILL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES TO GIVE YOUR COMMENTS.
09:54:53AM >> HELLO, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
MY NAME IS AL LUCAS.
CAME TO TAMPA IN 1958.
AND I WENT TO -- WITH MY MOM AND WENT TO TINK IRELEMENTARY
SCHOOL, GORRIE AND WILSON AND PLANT AND GRADUATED FROM THE
UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA.
MOM MARRIED BILL -- REMARRIED BILL, AND HE WAS ONCE THE
PRESIDENT OF THE JUNIOR ACHIEVEMENT COMMERCIAL HERE IN TAMPA
AND WAS ALSO THE CHEMIST IN WORLD WAR II IN TAMPA MY JOB IS
TO INTRODUCE MY FRIEND DAVID CORNELL, CEO OF LOW COST WEB
SITE.
AND HE IS INTERESTED IN THE BLACK EXPERIENCE AND WANTS TO
HELP WITH THE RENOVATION AND RESTORATION OF THE RAY CHARLES
BUILDING ON ZACK AND NEBRASKA.
HE HAS -- HE IS WRITING A BOOK ABOUT THAT.
ABOUT THAT.
AND WANTS -- HE IS VERY INTERESTED IN PURSUING WITH YOU AS
YOU -- AS WE UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE THAT AS PART OF YOUR AGENDA
THE RESTORATION OF THE RAY CHARLES BUILDING.
SO WITHOUT ANY FURTHER ADO, I WILL INTRODUCE DAVID CORNELL.
THANK YOU.
09:56:14AM >> GOOD MORNING.
09:56:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GOOD MORNING.
09:56:21AM >> SO, WHAT I AM SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT THE JACKSON
HOUSE OFF OF NEBRASKA AND ZACK.
AS THE COUNCIL MAY BE AWARE OF, IT WAS AT ONE TIME FOR BLACK
MUSICIANS TO GO THERE AND LIVE.
THAT HOUSE HAS BEEN IN A STATE OF DISREPAIR FOR SOME TIME
NOW.
I BELIEVE 20 TO 25 YEARS.
WHAT I PROPOSE BEFORE THIS COUNCIL AT A MINIMUM TO CONSIDER
A PLAQUE IN HONOR OF RAY CHARLES WHO DID INDEED GO THERE.
IN THIS TOWN, THERE IS A MURAL, A FINE MURAL, THAT HONORS
RAY CHARLES AND RAY CHARLES BOULEVARD, WHICH HE DIDN'T LIVE
THERE BY THE WAY.
BUT HE DID LIVE IN THE JACKSON HOUSE WITH THE OTHER
WONDERFUL MUSE SIGNIFICANCESES OF THAT TIME.
SO I WILL ASK THE COUNCIL AT A MINIMUM CONSIDER A PLAQUE IN
HONOR OF RAY CHARLES.
MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
MAYBE A STATUTE OF SOME SORT.
A HUMBLE STATUE SHOWING HIM PLAYING THE PIANO RIGHT IN FRONT
OF THE JACKSON HOUSE.
ALSO AS THE CEO OF LOW COST WEB SITE LLC IN THE SAME ZIP
CODE OF THE JACKSON HOUSE, I KNOW PEOPLE WORLDWIDE AND
NATIONWIDE ARE INTERESTED IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
I UNDERSTAND THE FINE UNIVERSITIES HAVE ESTABLISHED A PLAN
FOR THE JACKSON HOUSE.
ONCE AGAIN, IT IS A STATE OF DISREPAIR.
I DO NOT WISH TO COUNTERMAND THAT, BUT A COMPANY IN
CALIFORNIA CALLED -- I HAVE THE CONTACT INFORMATION HERE IF
YOU ALL WISH TO SEE IT.
MBSAP LLC, A VERY WELL ESTABLISHED COMPANY IN CALIFORNIA,
AND THEY HAVE CONNECTIONS IN INDIA AND SINGAPORE AND SAUDI
ARABIA.
A PARTICULAR ARCHITECT -- AS I CONCLUDE, A PARTICULAR
ARCHITECT THAT HAS INFORMATION HE WOULD LIKE FROM SAUDI
ARABIA TO FACILITATE WITH THAT PROJECT.
SO I ASK THE MEMBERS TO -- AT A MINIMUM CONSIDER THAT
PLAQUE.
AND ALSO A STATUE OF SOME KIND, WHATEVER WAY RAY CHARLES MAY
HAVE DWELLED AND CONSIDER GETTING SOME INFORMATION SO THIS
ARCHITECT MIGHT BE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:58:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:58:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHEN RAY CHARLES CAME TO TAMPA AND LIVED
HERE FOR A TIME.
HE STAYED ON A HOUSE ON SHORT EMORY STREET.
HE DID STAY AT THE JACKSON HOUSE, BUT THE HOUSE HE SPENT
MORE OF THE TIME AND WHERE SOME SONGS WERE WRITTEN HAVE BEEN
DEMOLISHED, BUT THE PROPERTY IS THERE.
I BELIEVE IT IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE EXISTING CHURCH.
I CAN TAKE YOU THERE AND SHOW YOU.
WHO I WOULD CONTACT -- I CAN CONNECT YOU IS WITH DR. CAROLYN
COLLINS.
AND SHE WOULD BE THE CONTACT PERSON THERE FOR THE JACKSON
HOUSE AND RESTORATION AND RENOVATION.
IF YOU WANT, I CAN STEP OUT AND GIVE YOU A BUSINESS CARD.
AND WE WILL HELP WITH YOU THAT.
09:59:24AM >> THANK YOU.
ALSO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT PLAQUE AND THE STATUE IN HOMAGE --
NOT MUCH IN -- HOMAGE TO MR. RAY CHARLES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:59:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:59:39AM >> MENTESNOT.
UHURU, MEANS FREEDOM IN SWAHILI.
WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE.
WE DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT JACKSON HOUSE OR RAY CHARLES.
WE DON'T WANT TO TALK OF NO BLACK PEOPLE SINGING AND DANCING
AND EATING WATERMELON.
WE DON'T WANT TO TALK OF BLACK PEOPLE PLAYING BASKETBALL AND
WHO GOT HURT ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD AND THE BUCCANEERS AND
TOM BRADY OR TAX INCENTIVES.
BLACK PEOPLE NEED TO TALK ABOUT REPARATIONS.
BLACK PEOPLE NEED TO TALK ABOUT REPARATIONS AND WHITE PEOPLE
NEED TO TALK OF REPARATIONS FOR AFRICAN PEOPLE.
4334 YEARS WE HAVE BEEN UNDER OPPRESSION AND DOMINATION AND
YOU TALK ABOUT WHO YOU GAVE A PLAQUE TO.
WHO SINGS THE BEST.
WHO CAN DANCE THE BEST.
WHO CAN BE ON "AMERICAN IDOL."
WE DON'T WANT NO MORE OF THAT STUPIDNESS BECAUSE WE DON'T
HAVE REPRESENTATIVES TO REALLY REPRESENT OUR TRUE NEED.
AND IGNORANT OF SPEED, AND ROUNDABOUTS AND SAY NO TO
DRUGS.
THE WHITE FOLKS ARE BRINGING ALL THE DRUGS IN THE COMMUNITY.
SAY NO TO CRIME, AND THEY COMMIT MORE CRIME.
PERSONAL CRIME, SOCIAL CRIME, POLITICAL CRIME, ECONOMIC
CRIME.
MORE CRIME THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
STOP THE FOOLISHNESS.
A RAGGEDY HOUSE SITTING THERE FOR DECADES THAT Y'ALL WON'T
FIX, THE CITY WON'T FIX.
AND Y'ALL USING IT AS AN INSULT TO AFRICAN PEOPLE BECAUSE
THAT IS EXACTLY HOW WE ARE LIVING.
NOW Y'ALL ARE UP THERE FOR AN HOUR TALKING ABOUT A ZOO, AND
YOU AIN'T TALKING OF REPARATIONS.
26% OF THIS POPULATION.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANIMALS AT ZOO TAMPA IS.
BUT WE ARE 26% OF THIS POPULATION.
AND Y'ALL CAN'T TALK OF REPARATIONS NOT ONE SINGLE DAY.
NOT ONE SINGLE SECOND.
Y'ALL ARE AN INSULT TO AFRICAN PEOPLE!
Y'ALL ARE AN INSULT TO AFRICAN PEOPLE!
AND THE AMBITIONS OF A AFRICAN PEOPLE!
YOU THINK WE ARE 3/5 OF A HUMAN BEING AND WE AIN'T NEVER
BEEN THAT.
BUT YOU ALL TRY TO CATEGORIZE US AS THAT AND KEEP TALKING
ABOUT Y'ALL HAVE CEREMONIES AND MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.
PARADES AND JUNETEENTH.
NOBODY CARE ABOUT THAT IGNORANT STUFF.
IT IS IGNORANT.
IT IS STRAIGHT IGNORANCE AND YOU ARE PLAYING US CLOSE LIKE
WE ARE IGNORANT.
BLACK PEOPLE AREN'T IGNORANT.
BLACK PEOPLE AREN'T FOOLISH.
WE HAVE BEEN ENSLAVED FOR 623 YEARS UNDER EURO AND AMERICAN
DOMINATION.
UNDER WHITE WESTERN CIVILIZATION.
UNDER WHITE WESTERN EXPANSION.
UNDER WHITE WESTERN MAN FEST DESTINY.
IT'S TIME FOR THAT TO STOP.
YOU HAVE TO STOP TAKING BLACK PEOPLE MORE SERIOUS.
WE ARE NOT TRYING TO SING AND DANCE FOR WHITE PEOPLE NO
MORE.
WE ARE NOT TRYING TO DO NONE OF THAT NO MORE AND COLLECT
PLAQUES AND AWARDS AND WHO DID THIS AND MARCHING BAND AND
SORORITY AND FRATERNITY.
F ALL THAT.
WE WANT REPARATIONS, $623 TRILLION IS WHAT WE OWE ON THIS
CONTINENT RIGHT HERE OF NORTH AMERICA.
THAT IS WHAT WE WANT.
10:02:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
NEXT, PLEASE.
10:02:50AM >> WELL, GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS SID FLANNERY.
I SPOKE TO YOU DECEMBER 1 REGARDING PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE
FLORIDA STATUTE THAT RESULTED FROM SENATE BILL 64 THAT WILL
AFFECT HOW THE CITY REUSES OR DISCHARGES RECLAIMED WATER
FROM THE HOWARD F. CURREN WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
THESE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE STATUTE WAS PREPARED BY THE
CITIZENS STAKEHOLDER GROUP THE LAST TWO YEARS FOLLOWED THE
CITY'S PLAN TO COMPLY WITH SENATE BILL 64 AND OPTIONS FOR
RECLAIMED WATER USE.
AT YOUR REQUEST ON DECEMBER 1, I SENT YOU A DRAFT OF THE
STAKEHOLDER POSITION PAPER THAT CONTAINED OUR
RECOMMENDATIONS.
ON JANUARY 12, I SENT YOU, THE MAYOR AND CITY STAFF OUR
FINAL DOCUMENT THAT IS VERY SIMILAR PROPOSED LANGUAGE.
I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE YOU ALSO RECEIVED A MEMO DATED
JANUARY 12 FROM TWO STAFF MEMBERS FROM THE CITY OFFICE OF
GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS AND STRATEGIC INITIATIVES.
I WISH THESE STAFF MEMBERS WELL AND DON'T THINK THE
MISUNDERSTANDS IN THEIR MEMO WERE INTENTIONAL BUT THAT MEMO
SERIOUSLY MISCHARACTERIZED THE RECOMMENDATIONS PUT FORTH BY
THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP.
AS SHOWN IN ITEM 13 IN THE STAFF REPORT FOR TODAY'S MEETING
AND REPRINTED IN THE STAFF MEMO, ON DECEMBER 1, THE COUNCIL
PASSED A MOTION FOR CITY STAFF TO EXAMINE THE LEGAL AND
LOBBYING RESOURCES THAT CAN BE USED TO SUPPORT A CHANGE IN
SENATE BILL 64 AND/OR ENABLE A CITY TO GET AN EXCEPTION FROM
THE FLORIDA DEP THAT RECOGNIZES THE BENEFICIAL EFFECTS OF
DISCHARGED WATER TO TAMPA BAY.
I DO AGREE WITH THE STAFF MEMO THAT A FULL EXEMPTION FROM
SENATE BILL 64 WOULD BE AN ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE SELL WITH THE
LEGISLATURE BUT NOT WHAT THE STAKEHOLDERS FROM IMPOSED.
INSTEAD IN OUR POSITION PAPER AND OUR PREACH COMMENTS TO
YOU, WE HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT ADDING SOME SIMPLE
CLARIFYING LANGUAGE TO SENATE BILL 64 WOULD NOT PRECLUDE THE
PURSUIT OF RECLAIMED WATER USING THE AWT DISCHARGE.
INSTEAD ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS, THE CITY CAN RE-EVALUATE
RECLAIMED WATER OF THE LARGE SEASONAL FLOW IN HILLSBOROUGH
RIVER, THE NEED FOR RECLAIMED WATER AND COST EFFECTIVENESS
OF THE PROJECTS.
OUR RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE WOULD WILLS ALLOW THE CITY TO
BETTER RESPOND TO CHANGES IN SITE-SPECIFIC FACTORS SUCH AS
CONCENTRATIONS OF CHEMICAL OF CONCERN AND OPEN SCIENTIFIC
FORM ANALYZE THE DISCHARGE THAT CAN BE REMOVED FROM TAMPA
BAY WITHOUT CAUSING ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
MAY --
10:05:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU STILL HAVE 30 SECONDS.
10:05:37AM >> OKAY.
ACCURATE PORTRAYAL OF THE STAKEHOLDER'S RECOMMENDATIONS, I
ENCOURAGE YOU TO REVIEW THE E-MAIL I SENT TO YOU ON JANUARY
12 AND THE ATTACHED POSITION PAPER SIGNED BY NINE MEMBERS OF
THE CITY'S STAKEHOLDER GROUP.
AS THAT CORRESPONDENCE SUGGESTS, WE THINK THE CITY
ADMINISTRATION SHOULD ENDORSE AND FOR THE STRAIGHTFORWARD
ADDITIONS TO THE FLORIDA STATUTES WE ARE PROPOSING WHICH
WILL GIVE THE CITY MUCH-NEEDED OPERATIONAL TO PURSUE
RECLAIMED WATER PROJECTS THAT ARE TRULY NEEDED, COST
EFFECTIVE, PROTECTED OF THE WATER RESOURCES AND NATURAL
ENVIRONMENTS AND IN THE BEST PUBLIC INTEREST.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:06:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:06:16AM >>BILL CARLSON:
COULD YOU -- I KNOW YOU HAVE MAY HAVE DONE
THIS BEFORE, BUT COULD YOU FOR US AND FOR THE SAKE OF THE
PUBLIC TELL US REAL QUICKLY YOUR PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND AND
EXPERIENCE.
10:06:25AM >> YES.
I AM RETIRED NOW.
I AM 70 YEARS OLD.
I WORKED IN WATER RESOURCES FOR 38 YEARS.
I WORKED AS A CHIEF ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENTIST WITH THE
SOUTHWEST FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT FOR 30 YEARS AND
WORKED ON MINIMUM FLOWS AND LEVEL AND THE QUALITY YOU CAN
TAKE FOR WATER SUPPLY WITHOUT DAMAGING THE ENVIRONMENT.
I HAVE WORKED EXTENSIVELY ON MINIMUM FLOWS FOR THE
HILLSBOROUGH RIVER AND THE ALAFIA RIVER.
10:06:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:06:54AM >> SURE.
10:06:55AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, GARY GIBBONS, VICE-CHAIR
OF THE TAMPA BAY SIERRA CLUB AND MAYBE OF THE STAKEHOLDER
GROUP OF A PROJECT THAT FORMALLY KNOWN AS PURE THAT THE CITY
CLAIMS IS NO LONGER A THING BUT WE ALL KNOW IS STILL VERY
MUCH A THING.
I'M HERE TO EXPRESS THE STAKEHOLDERS' DISAPPOINTMENT IN THE
CITY'S RESPONSES TO THE 17 QUESTIONS THAT THE SIERRA CLUB
SUBMITTED TO THE MAYOR AND HER STAFF LAST FEBRUARY AFTER
COUNCIL PROVIDED MORE THAN A MILLION DOLLARS FOR PUBLIC
OUTREACH AND TO STUDY ADDITIONAL ALTERNATIVES.
WE GAVE THOSE 17 QUESTIONS TO THE MAYOR AND HER STAFF AND
SAID THIS IS THE MINIMUM INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED TO TELL
THE PUBIC ABOUT THE PURE PROJECT.
IN FACT, THE 17 QUESTIONS ARE TITLED OUTREACH INFORMATION
THAT THE PUBLIC NEEDS FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA REGARDING THE
PROPOSED PURE PROJECT.
AND WE ASKED ALL THAT INFORMATION BE PUT ON THE CITY'S WEB
SITE.
WHY ARE WE DISAPPOINTED?
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, RATHER THAN ANSWERING EACH OF THE
QUESTIONS ONE BY ONE IN SEQUENCE, THE STAFF HAS CHOSEN TO
GROUP THE QUESTIONS IN BUNCHES AND RESPOND WITH THEIR OWN
NARRATIVE GENERALIZATIONS.
MY FIRST QUESTION FOR THE STAFF IS THIS.
WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THE WAY THEY WERE
ASKED?
YOU HAD A YEAR.
SECONDLY, THE DOCUMENT KEPT SAYING TWO THINGS.
ONE, WE NEED MORE MONEY IN ORDER TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.
AND TWO, THERE ISN'T A PURE PROJECT.
AND THEY REPEAT THOSE OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
WELL, EVERYONE KNOWS THEY WANT TO USE COMBINATIONS TWO AND
THREE THAT EVERYONE HAS CALLED PURE FOR MORE THAN TWO YEARS
WHICH MEANS STOP DISCHARGING THE WATER INTO TAMPA BAY, PUT
THE TREATED WASTEWATER IN THE RESERVOIR TO DROUGHT-PROOF IT,
BLOW THE DAM FOR MINIMUM FLOWS, AND STORE THE REST OF IT IN
THE AQUIFER.
IF THAT ISN'T PURE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO CALL IT.
AND I MIGHT ADD THAT THE ONLY PROJECT THAT THE MAYOR AND HER
STAFF HAS CONTINUOUSLY ADVOCATING FOR IS WHAT IS LISTED IN
THE PLAN FILED WITH FDEP IN NOVEMBER OF 2021.
WHY NOT CALL IT PURE ANYMORE.
AND WHILE THERE IS APPARENTLY A REPORT OF WHAT THE
CONTAMINANTS ARE THAT WERE CONTAINED THAT REMAIN IN THE
TREATED WASTEWATER TODAY, THEY DIDN'T SEND THAT SUPPORT TO
THE STAKEHOLDERS OR CITY COUNCIL AND INSTEAD IT IS AVAILABLE
UPON REQUEST.
REALLY?
THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN ASKING FOR THIS INFORMATION FOR ALMOST A
YEAR, AND NOW WE HAVE TO MAKE A SPECIAL REQUEST FOR WHAT IS
IN THE TREATED WASTEWATER NOW?
WHY NOT PUT ALL OF THAT ON THE CITY COUNCIL'S WEB SITE.
THE CITY'S WEB SITE SO THAT EVERYONE CAN SEE THAT
INFORMATION JUST LIKE WE ASKED IN THE 17 QUESTIONS A YEAR
AGO.
WE CERTAINLY HOPE THAT THE WORKSHOP THAT IS GOING TO BE HELD
ON FEBRUARY 23 WILL PROVIDE REAL ANSWERS TO EACH OF THE
QUESTIONS POSED WITHOUT EXCUSES THAT FUNDING HAS BEEN
STOPPED.
AND WHILE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MONEY, THE PUBLIC WOULD
CERTAINLY LIKE A DETAILED ACCOUNTING OF THE MONEY THAT HAS
BEEN SPENT TO DATE ON THIS PROJECT, WHATEVER IT IS CALLED.
10:10:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:10:08AM >> HELLO.
NORM MYERS, TAMPA BAY COMMUNITY ACTION COMMITTEE.
IT IS FUNNY THAT THE ZOO CAME IN HERE, BECAUSE I WANT TO
TALK ABOUT THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.
YESTERDAY JANE CASTOR.
MAYOR JANE CASTOR VETOED A BALLOT MEASURE FOR INDEPENDENT
COUNSEL FOR THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD OF TAMPA FLAGRANTLY
ANTI-DEMOCRATIC OPTION -- ACTION.
ALSO DISRESPECTFUL TO ALL YOU.
YOU SPENT THREE MONTHS WORK ON THAT BALLOT MEASURE AND SHE
IS JUST LIKE OUT OF NOWHERE UNSIGN IT?
THAT IS JUST -- I MEAN, RIDICULOUS.
DISRESPECTFUL TO YOU FOLKS.
DISRESPECTFUL TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
DISRESPECTFUL TO THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA AND DISRESPECTFUL OF
ALL THE WORK YOU PUT IN, ACTIVIST PUT IN AND EVERYONE PUT IN
TOO IG TO PUT PRESSURE ON THAT CAMPAIGN.
I MEAN, Y'ALL GOT TO STAND UP FOR YOURSELVES.
YOU GOT TO STAND UP FOR THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA.
AND YOU GOT TO STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT.
I NO HE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU KNOW WHAT IS RIGHT AND
WRONG.
WHAT MAYOR JANE CASTOR DID YESTERDAY WAS WRONG AND GIVING
THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD HOW POWER OF INDEPENDENT COUNSEL
IS RIGHT.
DO WHAT IS RIGHT AND OVERRIDE THAT VETO.
THANK YOU.
10:11:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
MR. SHELBY.
10:11:38AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
A QUESTION THAT CAME UP OF PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE
RECONSIDERATION OF COUNCIL'S -- THE ORDINANCES THAT HAVE
COME BACK FROM THE MAYOR.
WITH REGARD TO THAT, A CLARIFICATION, PLEASE.
IS IT COUNCIL'S PRESSURE TO ALLOW FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER
EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL ORDINANCES?
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT IS NOT SET FOR A PUBLIC HEARING,
ALTHOUGH FRANKLY MAY BE PEOPLE HERE WHO WANT TO SPEAK TO THE
INDIVIDUAL ORDINANCES OR DO COUNCIL WISH TO ALLOW PEOPLE
ALSO TO SPEAK GENERALLY IF THEY WANT TO SPEAK NOW INSTEAD OF
THEN.
HOW DOES COUNCIL WISH TO HANDLE THIS SPECIFICALLY.
SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT COME BEFORE COUNCIL IN MY EXPERIENCE
FOR RECONSIDERATION.
I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WANT TO OPINE, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT --
AND IT IS MY OPINION THAT BEST PRACTICE MIGHT BE UNDER THESE
CIRCUMSTANCES TO ALLOW EACH INDIVIDUAL ORDINANCE TO ALLOW
PUBLIC COMMENT IF THAT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
10:12:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:12:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I ABSOLUTELY THINK THAT IS A GREAT
SUGGESTION.
BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE HERE THAT MAY WANT TO SPEAK ON
ONE.
SOME PEOPLE MAY WANT TO SPEAK ON THREE BUT NOT ALL FIVE.
SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I WOULD PROBABLY -- THE ONLY THING I MIGHT RECOMMEND IS THAT
-- FOLKS TRY -- WE NORMALLY TRY NOT TO BE REPETITIVE.
YEAH.
I ABSOLUTELY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I THINK THAT IS A WISE WAY TO DO IT.
10:13:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:13:16AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE OTHER THING TO ADD TO THAT.
AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
IF PEOPLE WHO NEED TO LEAVE, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD
PROHIBIT THEM FROM SPEAKING NOW.
BUT OTHERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK LATER, LET THEM DO THAT.
10:13:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IF IT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL, I WILL
TAKE BOTH CONSIDERATIONS AND SAY IF SOMEONE WISHES TO SPEAK
DURING PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THE CHARTER CHANGES, LET THEM DO
THAT NOW.
IF THEY WISH TO SPEAK DURING EACH AND EVERY DISCUSSION ON
THE CHARTER AMENDMENT, LET THEM DO THAT, ONE OR THE OTHER
BUT NOT BOTH.
THANK YOU.
10:13:55AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
10:13:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.
10:13:59AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
JAMES MICHAEL SHAW JR., AND I LIVE IN WEST TAMPA.
I TEND TO SHOW UP BEHIND THIS PODIUM WHENEVER WE ARE TALKING
OF THE CRB AND I THANK THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL THAT SUPPORTED
THE EFFORTS TO GIVE CRB ITS OWN INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY, BUT
WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS BIGGER THAN JUST
THAT.
WE ARE TALKING OF THE SEPARATION OF POWERS.
THE SEVEN OF YOU REPRESENT THE 400,000 OF US.
YOU ARE THE LEGISLATIVE BODY OF THIS CITY.
I HAVE BEEN SPEAKING WITH VARIOUS ITERATIONS OF THIS COUNCIL
FOR SEVEN YEARS ABOUT THE -- THE AMENDMENTS TO THE ORDINANCE
CONCERNING THE CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD.
SO I THINK SEVEN YEARS IS ENOUGH VETTING FOR THAT THAT WE
CAN FINALLY PUT IT TO A VOTE.
THERE ARE DIFFERENT KINDS OF VOTER SUPPRESSION.
THERE IS PREVENTING SOMEONE FROM REGISTERING TO VOTE.
PREVENTING A REGISTERED VOTER FROM CASTING A BALLOT.
AND THE KIND OF VOTER SUPPRESSION THAT WE SAW YESTERDAY WAS
THE CONTENT OF THE BALLOT, TO MAKE SURE IT IS WHITE WASHED
OF THINGS THAT WILL AFFECT THE OUTCOME OF THE VOTERS' LIVES.
THINGS THAT EFFECT THEM.
ABLE TO CAST A BALLOT THE THINGS THAT INVOLVE THEM IS NOT ON
THAT BALLOT.
A FORM OF VOTER SUPPRESSION AS WELL.
I SEE SOME ASPIRING MAYORS IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW.
I WANT TO SAY YOU ONLY GET ONE THIS MORNING.
YOU ONLY GET ONE OPPORTUNITY TO EITHER STAND UP TO VOTER
SUPPRESSION OR SIGN OFF ON IT.
AND THE VOTERS WILL BE PAYING ATTENTION OF HOW YOU VOTE THIS
MORNING.
LET THE PEOPLE VOTE ON THIS ISSUE.
LET THE PEOPLE VOTE ON ALL OF THESE ISSUES.
I READ THAT EDITORIAL, AND IT JUST SAID A STRONG MAYOR FORM
OF GOVERNMENT.
AND I AM AFRAID SOME OF THESE MIGHT PASS AND I DON'T WANT
THE VOTE TO HAVE THE WAY.
I WILL BE DECIDING FOR THEM.
SAID AD NAUSEAM BEHIND THIS PODIUM THAT STRONG MAYOR IS NOT
TWO WORDS THAT APPEAR IN THE CHARTER ANYWHERE.
THEY DON'T APPEAR IN ANY ORDINANCE.
THERE IS PSEUDOSCIENCE AND ALSO PSEUDOLAW.
THAT IS PSEUDOLAW.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING.
STRONG MAYOR IS A LEGAL TERM THAT MEANS THE EXECUTIVE IS
ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE INSTEAD OF HIRED BY CITY COUNCIL WHOSE
MAYOR IS WHOEVER THE CHAIR OF CITY COUNCIL, THE WEAK MAYOR
FORM OF GOVERNMENT.
THAT'S ALL IT MEANS.
IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA IS GOVERNED BY A
MONARCH WHO GETS TO DECIDE WHAT THE PEOPLE GET TO VOTE ON
AND WHAT THE PEOPLE DON'T GET TO VOTE ON.
YOU HAVE ONE SHOT THIS MORNING AT EITHER SIGNING OFF ON
VOTER SUPPRESSION OR STANDING UP TO IT.
I HAVE TO GO TO WORK, BUT I WILL BE WATCHING AND THE VOTERS
WILL BE WATCHING.
THANK YOU.
10:16:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
[GAVEL SOUNDING]
10:16:45AM >> HELLO, TAYLOR COOK.
I AM A MEMBER OF TAMPA BAY COMMUNITY ACTION COMMITTEE AND I
LIVE IN NORTH TAMPA OFF OF NEBRASKA AND BUSCH.
AND I'M HERE TODAY TO SPEAK ABOUT THE MAYOR VETOING THE
CHARTER AMENDMENTS YESTERDAY.
NOT ONLY BECAUSE AS YOU ALTHOUGH, TAMPA BAY COMMUNITY ACTION
COMMITTEE IS A HUGE SUPPORTER OF INDEPENDENT COUNSEL AND
LETTING THE PEOPLE TO VOTE, BUT ALSO OTHER AMENDMENTS IN
THAT CHARTER -- OR OTHER CHARTER AMENDMENTS THAT SHE VETOED
THAT I ALSO THINK ARE VERY IMPORTANT LIKE I THINK THERE
SHOULD BE TERM LIMITS.
AND I THINK THAT A LOT OF THOSE THINGS SHOULD BE UP TO THE
VOTERS.
THEY EFFECT US.
I THINK IT IS ALSO A SLAP IN THE FACE FOR PEOPLE THAT COME
HERE VERY OFTEN TO SPEAK ON LETTING THE PEOPLE VOTE.
AND ISSUES THAT WE CARE ABOUT AND THAT AFFECT US.
I KNOW IN THE PAST THAC HAVE BEEN CALLED A FRINGE GROUP.
WE ALL LIVE IN TAMPA.
IT ALL AFFECTS US.
WE ORGANIZE IN TAMPA AND WE REPRESENT PEOPLE IN TAMPA.
AND PEOPLE IN TAMPA WANT POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY AND WANT A
CHANCE TO VOTE.
THEY WANT TO BE ALLOWED TO CHOOSE HOW OUR CITY IS RUN.
AND THE MAYOR IS NOT ALLOWING THAT.
BUT I THINK YOU GUYS CAN.
AND WE REALLY HOPE THAT YOU WILL TODAY.
SO THANK YOU.
10:18:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:18:03AM >> HELLO, DAVID JONES.
I LIVE UP IN NORTH TAMPA, DISTRICT 7.
I AM ALSO SPEAKING AND ASK THAT YOU OVERRIDE THE MAYOR'S
VETO ON THOSE CHARTER AMENDMENTS.
YOU KNOW, WHAT THE MAYOR DID YESTERDAY WAS KNEECAPPING
DEMOCRACY.
JUST PULLING THE RUG UNDERNEATH VOTERS HERE IN TAMPA YOU
KNOW, IT IS DISRESPECTFUL TO US IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO
DISRESPECTFUL TO Y'ALL.
LIKE DISRESPECTFUL THAT EVERYDAY PEOPLE IN COMPANY IS
GETTING UP IN THE CROSSHAIRS BETWEEN CITY COUNCIL AND THE
MAYOR'S OFFICE AND WHATEVER NONSENSE Y'ALL HAVE BEEN UP TO
THIS LAST YEAR.
ULTIMATELY NOT WHAT ANY OF US CARE ABOUT IN THE CITY.
WE CARE ABOUT REAL ACCOUNTABILITY.
WE CARE ABOUT MAKING SURE OUR VOICES ARE HEARD WHEN IT COMES
DOWN TO THESE LAWS THAT KEEP GETTING PASSED.
LIKE OUR BUDDY WAS SAYING, FOLKS OUT HERE TALKING ABOUT THE
PURE PROJECT AND NO ANY REAL UPDATES OR ANY REAL
ACKNOWLEDGMENT WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING.
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN UP HERE SINCE, WHAT, 2015 DEMANDING MORE
POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY AND HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN AN OPPORTUNITY
FOR, LIKE, OUR VOICES TO BE DIRECTLY HEARD.
LIKE THIS BALLOT.
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN UP HERE DEMANDING ACTUAL CHANGE.
AND FOR THE MAYOR TO BE ABLE TO SIDESWIPE THAT ON A HIM WITH
ESSENTIALLY OUT OF THE BLUE IS JUST, YOU KNOW, WRONG.
IT IS WRONG FOR FOLKS WHO CLAIM TO, LIKE, LOVE AND RESPECT
DEMOCRACY.
WRONG FOR THOSE WHO CLAIM TO LOVE AND RESPECT THE PEOPLE
THAT -- ROLL OVER IS NOT WORD.
PEOPLE THAT THEY GOVERN OVER.
SO I ASK THAT YOU OVERRIDE THAT BALLOT AND DO THE RIGHT
THING.
LET THE PEOPLE VOTE -- LET PEOPLE VOTE ON WHAT MATTERS TO
THEM.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
10:19:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:19:55AM >> GOOD MORNING.
AND MEMBER OF FLORIDA RISING.
I'M HERE FOR THE FUNDING FOR THE R-3 PROGRAM.
PEOPLE WHO STILL NEED FUNDING.
I HAD COVID LAST YEAR AND I HAVE UP-AND-DOWN SYMPTOMS AND
NOT ABLE TO WORK, AND I NEED ASSISTANCE FOR MY RENT.
I HAD IT IN THE PAST, BUT I STILL NEED MORE ASSISTANCE.
BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO BEING
HOMELESS.
I SLEPT IN MY CAR FOR MANY YEARS.
I SLEPT AT PARKS, BEACH, LAUNDROMATS.
I DON'T WANT TO GO THERE AGAIN.
THIS PANDEMIC IS AN NATURAL DISASTER.
NO PLAN FOR THAT LIKE HURRICANES AND TORNADOES.
I THINK THIS SHOULD BE A CONTINUOUS THING UNTIL EVERYTHING
COME BACK TO NORMAL WITH BY FUNDING US FOR HOUSING.
A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT NEED IT.
YOU KNOW THAT.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT.
I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO THE PARK.
THANK YOU.
10:21:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:21:05AM >> HI, CARROLL ANN BENNETT, A LIFE -LONG RESIDENT OF TAMPA.
I WANT TO TALK OF THE WORD "IM."
THINK OF THE WORD "IMPACT" WHAT IT MEANS.
WHEN PEOPLE MOVE TO THE CITY, THEY HAVE AN IMPACT.
THEY HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
THEY HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR COMMUNITIES.
THAT IS WHY THE CITY AND THE COUNTY HAS IMPACT FEES.
IT IS RIGHT THERE IN THE NAME.
ONE OF THE IMPACTS OF THE NEW PEOPLE MOVING HERE IS THAT WE
NEED MORE PUBLIC SAFETY RESOURCES.
WE NEED NEW FIRE STATIONS.
WE NEED NEW FIRE TRUCKS.
WE NEED NEW PERSONNEL.
AND THE POLICE NEEDN'T -- NEED THESE THINGS TOO.
SO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MOVING HERE WHO ARE HAVING AN IMPACT
ARE NOT PAYING FOR THE NEED THAT IS CREATED BY OUR IMPACT ON
OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
THE BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS WHO ARE IN BUSINESS TO MAKE A
PROFIT ON THE BUILDING THAT -- WHERE THE PEOPLE COME AND
MOVE INTO ARE NOT PAYING FOR THE IMPACT.
I AM PAYING FOR THE IMPACT.
I AM I LIVED HERE ALL MY LIFE AND SUB SI COYOTES --
SUBSIDIZING.
IF THE CRA HAS TONS OF MONEY AND I HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.
AND EVERYBODY LIKE ME WHO PAYS INTO THE GENERAL FUND.
MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO HAVE A PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT FEE
BECAUSE THE PEOPLE MOVING HERE CREATE AN IMPACT.
I WANT TO TALK OF THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS.
I HAVE BEEN HERE OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
I HAVE SEEN ON TV.
I LOOKED ON YOUTUBE.
I HAVE SEEN THE DISCUSSIONS OF THE CHARTER IMPACT -- THE
CHARTER AMENDMENTS ON IF MONTHS AND MONTHS.
A YEAR OR MORE IS WHAT IT IS.
WE ALL HAD A CHANCE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED.
YOU ALL VOTED ON IT.
WE COUNT ON YOU TO BE INDEPENDENT.
WE COUNT ON TO YOU DO WHAT YOU THINK IT RIGHT.
WE COUNT ON YOU TO LISTEN TO US, BECAUSE UNLIKE THE MAYOR --
THIS IS NOT A CRITICISM OF THE MAYOR, BUT UNLIKE THE MAYOR,
CITIZENS, ANYBODY CAN COME BEFORE YOU, MULTIPLE TIMES A
MONTH LIKE I AM DOING RIGHT NOW AND THEY CAN TELL YOU WHAT
THEY CARE ABOUT AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS CITY.
THEY CAN ALSO CALL MOST OF YOU AND MAKE AN APPOINTMENT AND
YOU WILL SIT DOWN AND TALK TO THEM FACE TO FACE.
THAT SORT OF ACCESS IS NOT AVAILABLE TO THE MAYOR.
NOT A CRITICISM.
SEVEN OF YOU BUT ONLY ONE OF HER.
BUT YOU HAVE A MUCH BETTER IDEA OF WHAT IS GOING ON THE
GROUND LEVEL IN THIS CITY BECAUSE YOU INTERACT WITH THE
CITIZENS TO A MUCH GREATER DEGREE.
WE NEED FOR YOU TO BE INDEPENDENT.
WE NEED CHECKS AND BALANCES.
PLENTY OF TIME TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
WE ALL KNOW ABOUT IT.
ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO KNOW ABOUT IT, KNOWS ABOUT IT.
WE ARE ASKING YOU TO VOTE FOR THE RIGHT THING.
THAT IS WHAT WE WANT FROM YOU.
THAT IS WHAT WE EXPECT FROM YOU.
THANK YOU.
10:24:14AM >> GOOD MORNING, ANY NAME IS STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA.
EVERYBODY KNOWS I LIVE IN SOG, SOUTH OF GANDY.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT NUMBER 8 AND 9, AND IN PARTICULAR OUR
PUBLIC SAFETY PROGRAMS.
THIS NIFTY LITTLE MAP RIGHT HERE IS FROM THE FIRE FIGHTERS
UNION.
THIS IS FROM 2019, IT SAID WE NEED 15 NEW FIRE STATIONS.
I PERSONALLY READ THE 2,000 PAGES OF THE TWO-YEAR BUDGET.
NO FIRE STATION PLANNED.
THIS SAYS WE NEED 15.
I WATCHED CHIEF TRIPP COME UP HERE A WEEK OR SO AGO AND SAY
THEY GAVE HER ALL THE DATA.
AND EVERY OTHER DEPARTMENT IN THIS CITY, THEY HAVE SOMEBODY
WHO DOES A STUDY AND A STUDY AND TO GIVE THEM A WAY FORWARD.
CHIEF TRIPP IS A WONDERFUL FIRE CHIEF, BUT NOT A DATA
ANALYSIS.
THESE PEOPLE DID THE WORK.
IT IS ALREADY DONE.
YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO PAY FOR A STUDY IF YOU PAY ATTENTION
TO THIS.
6330 NEW APARTMENTS SOUTH OF GANDY, SOUTH OF DALE MABRY, NOT
ONE ADDITIONAL FIREMAN.
WE DO NOT HAVE AN EMS UNIT IN OUR AREA.
AND THIS ISN'T JUST OUR PROBLEM.
I AM JUST -- I KNOW THE DATA AND THE NUMBERS FOR MY
PARTICULAR AREA.
IT'S THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY.
I AM WONDERING WHY THIS ISN'T A TOP PRIORITY.
AND THE SAFETY IMPACT FEES -- THE PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT FEES
WERE ASKED FOR INITIALLY IN 2021 BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
I AM SORRY, CHIEF BENNETT, I LOVE YOU MA'AM, YOU GOT UP HERE
AND SAID WE DIDN'T NEED THEM.
I VERY, VERY DISTINCTLY REMEMBER THAT.
AND IT HURT MY HEART AT THAT POINT.
THESE IMPACT FEES, WHEN YOU HAVE 6300 APARTMENTS THAT ARE
FOUR-STORY UNITS THAT WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE FOUR-STORY UNITS
WHEN STARTED THIS BUILDING SOUTH OF GANDY.
FOUR-STORY PLYWOOD BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEING BUILT, AND WE
HAVE NO ADDITIONAL FIRE RESOURCES.
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN ONE OF THEM CATCHES ON FIRE.
SERIOUSLY.
SOMETHING TO VERY SERIOUSLY CONSIDER.
AND THEY ARE FALLING APART.
I HAVE TAKEN SEVERAL FOLKS ON TOURS, AND THEY ARE LITERALLY
FALLING APART ANDER IN -- THEY ARE NO MORE THAN FIVE YEARS
OLD.
WE HAVE TO START HOLDING PEOPLE'S FEET TO THE FIRE.
IT HAS TO HAPPEN.
PUBLIC SAFETY IS IMPORTANT.
AND IT IS OBVIOUSLY NOT IN THE BUDGET.
SO WHERE -- WHY ARE WE NOT SPENDING THIS MONEY ON THIS?
THIS IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
WE HAD A GENTLEMAN WHO DIED IN SOUTH TAMPA RECENTLY BECAUSE
-- AND WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET THE FOLKS DOWN THERE.
HE PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE MADE IT ANYWAY, BUT THAT IS NOT
THE POINT.
I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT ON THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS, I AM
SORRY, THE MAYOR SHOULD BE HERE.
IF SHE SAYS NO SHE NEEDS TO WOMAN UP AND WALK OVER HERE AND
SAY IT TO TO EVERYBODY'S FACE.
10:27:15AM >> THAT'S RIGHT!
[GAVEL SOUNDING]
10:27:20AM >> GOOD MORNING, KEELA McCASKILL.
I ECHO, WOMAN UP AND WALK OVER.
BASED ON THIS LATEST VETO, IT REALLY GIVES ME AS A NATIVE,
AS A CITIZEN HERE IN TAMPA, I FEEL LIKE IT REALLY DOESN'T
MATTER WHAT I WANT AS A COMMUNITY MEMBER.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS.
IT ELEMENTS GIVES YOU A FEELING THAT YOU ARE A SECOND-CLASS
CITIZEN.
I COME TO THE REALIZATION ANY HOPES TO BE HEARD.
TO GET A MESSAGE OUT OR THE DESIRES OF THE COMMUNITY THAT I
HEARD FROM IN THE COMMUNITY, THAT COMES FROM HERE.
I CAN PARTICIPATE.
I CAN INTERACT WITH YOU ALL.
I CAN CALL.
YOU LISTEN.
YOU SIT THERE, YOU RESPOND AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
I WANT TO SAY TO YOU AS DISRESPECTFUL IT WAS TO VETO THAT
AND NOT COME IT THE COMMUNITY.
AT LEAST ACT LIKE YOU GIVE -- TO HEAR WHAT WE SAY.
I AM SURE SHE MET WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY AND TOLD YOU WHAT TO
DO.
IT DIDN'T TAKE YOUR INPUT.
SHE TOLD YOU WHAT SHE WAS GOING TO DO.
AS DISRESPECTFUL, JANE KNOWS WE WILL BE THE MAYOR FOR THE
NEXT FOUR YEARS AND SUFFER -- I MEANT TO SAY JANE.
I KNOW DISRESPECTFUL.
I FEEL LIKE SHE SLAPPED ME IN THE FACE.
THIS IS A SLAP BACK.
I THINK THIS IS NECESSARY.
IT WILL COME FROM YOU HERE.
FROM YOU ALL TO BE HEARD.
WE ALREADY KNOW A STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT, BUT WE
NEED COUNCILMEMBERS THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PEOPLE.
I BELIEVE MOST OF YOU -- YOU DO CARE WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY.
YOU DO CARE WHAT WE WANT.
YOU UNDERSTAND YOU ARE THE PERSON THAT HELPS MAKE THESE
THINGS HAPPEN.
SHE ALREADY KNOWS SHE IS GOING TO BE THE MAYOR, BUT SOME OF
YOU IS QUESTIONABLE.
IF WE DON'T SEE THE LEADER IN YOU TODAY, WHY DO WE NEED YOU.
WE ARE LOOKING FOR LEADERS.
WE ARE LOOKING FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT AFRAID.
WE ARE LOOKING FOR PEOPLE WHO CAN STAND FLAT-FOOTED, LOOK
HER IN THE EYE AND SAY WHAT IS BEST FOR THE PEOPLE.
EVERYBODY HAS TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR SOMEBODY.
I SUBMIT SHE SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE TO US AND SHOULD
CERTAINLY BE ACCOUNTABLE TO YOU ALL.
I AM TELLING YOU TODAY THAT WE ARE WATCHING.
ALL OF YOU NEED VOTES IF YOU WANT TO WIN.
WE WANT TO SEE TODAY.
WE WANT TO SEE THAT LEADER TODAY BEFORE WE VOTE YOU IN.
WE WANT TO SEE LEADERSHIP TODAY.
THANK YOU
[APPLAUSE]
10:29:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:29:27AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
ROBIN LOCKETT.
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID THUS FAR.
WHY NOT -- WHY NOT LET THE PEOPLE VOTE?
IT BAFFLES ME.
I HAVE BEEN IN HERE -- I WAS HERE IN FEBRUARY WHEN PURE WAS
HERE AND THE 17 QUESTIONS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE ANSWERED.
FROM WHAT I HEAR NOW, NOTHING HAS OCCURRED.
I WAS HERE THROUGHOUT THE TIME OF THE DISCUSSION AROUND
CHARTER.
THE CHARTER REVISION.
PROUD THAT YOU VOTED UNANIMOUSLY.
I HAVE A LOT OF STUFF WRITTEN DOWN, BUT MY CHALLENGE TO YOU,
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO CHANGE YOUR VOTE.
IF YOU VOTED ONE TIME, ONE WAY, WHY NOT BE CONSISTENT.
SO WE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.
IF YOU VOTE, YOU STAND BY YOUR VOTE.
WE NEED CONSISTENCY.
WE NEED A COMMITMENT.
LIKE I ALWAYS TELL YOU GUYS, ONE PERSON DOES NOT RULE.
WHAT WAS SAID PREVIOUSLY, WE PUT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU
IN OFFICE.
YOU ARE GOING TO LOOK FOR OUR SUPPORT ON MARCH 7.
YOU ARE GOING TO LOOK FOR OUR SUPPORT MARCH 7.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO HANDLE IT?
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO HANDLE WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW?
FOR EACH AMENDMENT THAT WAS PRESENTED, I AM SO CURIOUS TO
SEE HOW BRAVE YOU ARE TO STAND BY YOUR VOTE.
TO STAND BY YOUR VOTE.
REGARDLESS OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU HAD.
BECAUSE I HEARD YOU HAVE CONVERSATIONS ON FRIDAY ABOUT THIS
WITH ONE BY ONE.
BUT HOW DO YOU STAND -- YOU STAND UP TO ONE PERSON OR STAND
UP TO THE COMMUNITY.
THE COMMUNITY YOU COME OUT AND BEG FOR A VOTE.
SO WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH -- I AM ANXIOUS TO SEE WHAT
HAPPENS TODAY.
WITH REGARDS TO YOUR VOTE.
THANK YOU.
10:31:37AM >> HI, SIMON ROWE.
AND I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE TWO MONTHS BEFORE OF THE
MUNICIPAL ELECTION ON MARCH 7, WE HAD MAYOR DECIDE TO VETO
REFERENDUMS THAT YOU ALL AS A COLLECTIVE HAVE PASSED.
FRANKLY READING YESTERDAY'S OP-ED WAS A SUR FREEZE TO ME AS
I AM SURE TO ALL OF YOU.
IT WAS ALSO A SURPRISE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THESE THE VIDEOEYOS
COME -- BE CLAIMED TO BE ABOUT TRANSPARENCY.
WHAT IS TRAN PARENT OF RELEASING AN OP-ED ON A WEDNESDAY
MORNING.
NOT TELLING CITY COUNCIL, NOT TELLING THE COMMUNITY FIRST,
AND MAKING -- OVERRIDE A DECISION THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY
WANTED.
THAT CITY COUNCIL WAS OKAY WITH.
SHE OVERRODE ALL OF US HERE.
AND TO CALL THAT TRANSPARENCY.
WHAT IS TRANSPARENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING SECRET
CLOSED-DOOR MEETINGS BEFORE YOU ALL WERE ABLE TO VOTE ON THE
INDEPENDENT COUNSEL REFERENDUM.
THE MAYOR IS NOT LETTING US OPERATE IN THE TIME OF DAY TO
HAVE INPUT.
TRYING TO SUPPLEMENT YOUR DECISIONS AND THE WILL OF THE
PEOPLE TO OBSTRUCT OUR RIGHTS OF DEMOCRACY AND DECIDE HOW
THE CITY OF TAMPA IS RUN.
WE ARE HERE TODAY BECAUSE WE ARE ASKING THAT REFERENDUMS
LIKE THIS DO NOT DIE IN THE DARK.
WE WANT TO HAVE MORE OF AN INPUT IN THE CITY AND WE TALK OF
COMING TO CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS.
HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN SPEAK IN ONE DAY, MAYBE 50, IF WE TALK
FAST.
THOUSAND OF PEOPLE VOTE IN ELECTIONS.
THIS IS A CHANCE TO GET AN UNPRECEDENTED LEVEL OF INPUT ON
THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD AND HOW THE CITY OF TAMPA
FUNCTIONS AND I AM KIND OF DIRECTORS GUSTED THAT OUR MAYOR
IS TRYING TO SHUT ALL OF THAT DOWN, KILL IT BEFORE IT EVEN
GETS TO THE ELECTION.
I AM ASKING YOU DON'T LET IT DIE.
DON'T LET IT DIE IN SILENCE ON A RANDOM WEDNESDAY IN
JANUARY.
LET THIS CONTINUE TO THE BALLOT SO PEOPLE CAN VOTE WHETHER
OR NOT THEY CAN BE HERE.
LET US HAVE AN INPUT ON HOW THE CRB IS RUN AND ALSO THAT
OTHER REFERENDUM ON ELECTING DEPARTMENT HEADS SO WE DON'T
HAVE A REPEAT OF THE EMBARRASSMENT OF FORMER POLICE CHIEF
O'CONNOR.
AND NATIONAL LEVEL EMBARRASSMENT OF A DEPARTMENT HEAD, YOU
KNOW, MAY HAVE GONE ABUSED HER POWER IN OFFICE.
WE ARE SICK OF SEEING THESE ABUSES OF POWER DECIDING WHAT IS
BEST FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
WE CAN SPEAK FOR OURSELVES.
WE CAN VOTE FOR OURSELVES.
WE DON'T LIKE BEING TALKED OVER.
WE ARE THE ONES WHO GIVE TRANSPARENCY.
IT IS NOT APPOINTED FROM ABOVE.
SO PLEASE STAND WITH DEMOCRACY HERE.
I HOPE YOU VOTE TO OVERTURN THIS VETO SO THE ENTIRE
COMMUNITY THAT YOU WERE SERVING WILL DECIDE.
THANK YOU.
10:34:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:34:38AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:34:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GOOD MORNING.
10:34:43AM >> NICE TO SEE YOU.
WHOEVER WROTE THAT OP-ED FOR MAYOR CASTOR YESTERDAY WAS --
10:34:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. BENJAMIN, WE ALL KNOW WHO YOU ARE BUT
FOR THE RECORD, GIVE YOUR NAME.
10:34:58AM >> YES, FOR YOUR RECORD, MR. SHELBY, KELLY BENJAMIN, 504
FERN STREET.
10:35:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:35:06AM >> WHOEVER WROTE THAT OP-ED WAS SKILLED IN ORWELLIAN DOUBLE
SPEAK AND I KNOW THE COUNCIL CERTAINLY SEES THROUGH IT.
THE MAYOR WROTE, OUR VOTERS DESERVE BETTER WHILE DENYING THE
CITIZENS THE RIGHT TO VOTE ON ISSUES THAT WILL IMPACT THEIR
LIVES AND THEIR COMMUNITIES.
IT IS UNBELIEVABLE.
I KNOW THE CITY COUNCIL SEES THROUGH THAT.
A RUSHED AND HAPHAZARD PROCESS.
I SAT AND WATCHED THESE COUNCIL MEETINGS FOR MONTHS.
IT WAS A LONG, ARDUOUS PROCESS.
WE WHERE YOU LISTENED TO THE COMMUNITY AND YOU CONSIDERED
WHAT PEOPLE WERE TELLING YOU.
THIS VETO IS CLEARLY AN ATTEMPT, AS WAS SAID PREVIOUSLY, AT
VOTER SUPPRESSION.
AND THIS COUNCIL CAN EITHER SIGN OFF ON THAT, OR YOU CAN
STAND UP FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY WHO HAVE BEEN PUSHING
FOR TRANSPARENCY, FOR DIALOGUE AND OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN
ON THESE IMPORTANT ISSUES.
YOU CAN STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT AND NOT GO ALONG.
AS I TOAD YOU FOR A POWER MAD MAYOR THAT TARGETS MEMBERS OF
CITY COUNCIL WHEN YOU DEFY HER.
THIS IS A MAYOR THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR BIKING WHILE BLACK
AND DEPENDING THE RENTING WHILE BLACK PROGRAM, THE
CRIME-FREE MULTIHOUSING PROGRAM.
AND SHE WENT AGAINST THE VOICE OF THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY
AND THE ADVICE OF COUNSEL, AND HIRED A POLICE CHIEF, MARY
O'CONNOR AND WE ALL KNOW HOW THAT WENT.
I URGE YOU TODAY, THE SUPERMAJORITY OF YOU, TO PLEASE ALLOW
THE PEOPLE TO VOTE.
AS MAYOR CASTOR SAYS, THE VOTERS DESERVE BETTER.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:36:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
OH, MAN.
JOE ROBINSON.
IN 24 HOURS, IT WILL ALL BE SET UP.
24 HOURS.
THE LAST CALL.
24 HOURS.
12 NOON, WE ARE GOING TO KNOW WHAT'S UP, WHAT'S DOWN AND
SOME PEOPLE MIGHT BE ON THERE LEGALLY.
WE ARE LOOKING INTO THAT.
SO YOU BETTER GET YOUR STUFF BETWEEN 12 NOON FRIDAY.
WARNING.
TWO TO THREE SIDES TO EVERY STORY.
THIS IS THE WORST TIME TO BE RUNNING FOR OFFICE RIGHT NOW.
THE WORST TIME TO BE RUNNING FOR OFFICE.
MAN, I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU.
THAT IS WHAT I AM TELLING YOU.
I AM GOING TO SIT HERE AND GET MY -- EACH TIME YOU POP UP TO
TALK ABOUT THOSE ORDINANCES INSTEAD OF GETTING CONSOLIDATED
INTO THREE MINUTES.
BUT I'M HERE TO SAY THAT HOPEFULLY AT 12 NOON TOMORROW, WE
WILL KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.
WE KNOW WHO IS IN.
WHO IS OUT.
WE WILL SHOW THE SLATE.
WE WILL KNOW WHAT WE GOT OUT THERE TO CHOOSE FROM.
WHAT WE GOT TO CHOOSE FROM.
AND THE TICKET IS REAL SLIM.
WHO CONTEST IT AND A AIN'T.
SO I WANT TO TELL YOU GUYS THAT I DON'T HAVE NO ISSUES WITH
THE CITY.
WHEN I DO, I TAKE CARE OF THEM, RIGHT, MR. BENNETT.
WE PRAY ON IT.
BOTTOM LINE IS THAT I WILL BE COMING BACK -- IT IS BEING
MONITORED RATHER CLOSELY.
RATHER POLITICALLY.
AND THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT AIN'T SAYING THAT RIGHT NOW.
I'M HERE TO TELL YOU.
EVERYBODY UP THERE WILL BE CHECKED BACK.
SO IF YOU ARE FILLING OUT A FORM 6, YOU BETTER MAKE SURE
YOUR DOTTING YOUR Is AND CARROTING YOUR Ts.
I AM TELLING YOU.
SEASON WILL START 24 HOURS.
GOOD LUCK TO ALL OF YOU UP THERE.
DO WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO AND BE AWARE THAT THERE ARE
CONSEQUENCES.
THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES IN THIS PARTICULAR ELECTION.
THIS IS NOT LIKE ANY ELECTION THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN SINCE I
HAVE BEEN IN TAMPA FOR OVER 60 SOME YEARS.
THIS IS DIFFERENT.
THIS IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE HAVE GOT DIFFERENT ISSUES.
YOU CAN HEAR THE PUBLIC IS UPSET.
YOU CAN HEAR THE ADMINISTRATION IS UPSET.
YOU CAN HEAR COUNCIL IS UPSET.
EVERYBODY IS UPSET.
AIRPORT NOBODY WILL GET WHAT THEY WANT, I CAN TELL YOU THAT.
NOBODY WILL GET WHAT THEY WANT FULLY.
CALLED THE COMPROMISE.
CALLED DO YOUR BEST OUT HERE.
SOME OF Y'ALL WILL PROBABLY BE SEEN OVER AT THE -- AT THE
CLUB LUNCHEON, I GUESS AT THE CUBAN CLUB.
BUT I WANT TO TELL YOU, BE CAREFUL.
MAKE SURE THAT FORM 6 IS CORRECT AND DOT YOUR Is AND CROSS
YOUR Ts, PLEASE.
10:40:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DO WE HAVE ANYONE LEFT IN CHAMBERS WHO
WISHES TO SPEAK TO PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME?
I BELIEVE WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE ONLINE?
JUST ONE.
THANK YOU.
10:40:14AM >>CLERK:
MR. RANDOLPH, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, PLEASE UNMUTE
YOURSELF.
10:40:23AM >> HELLO, GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH AND WITH THE WEST TAMPA
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COOPERATION.
FIRST, I WANT TO START OFF WITH THE SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT AND
THEN I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE WEST TAMPA CAC.
THE SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT IS, I AM NO LONGER EATING EGGS.
PAY $44 A MONTH JUST TO EAT EGGS.
SO NO LONGER EATING EGGS.
I HAD TO GET THAT IN.
RELATED TO THE WEST TAMPA CAC.
ON SEPTEMBER AT 7 P.M., WE WILL BE DOING OUR NEXT
COMMUNITY-WIDE MEETING TALKING ABOUT THE PLAN FOR 2023 TO
2028.
AMONG THE TOPICS WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT AND WHAT IS ON
EVERYBODY'S MIND THE WEST TAMPA PUBLIC SAFETY INITIATIVE
THAT WILL FOCUS ON ENDING THE SCHOOL-TO-PRISON PIPELINE FOR
AT-RISK YOUTH TO BE RETURNING CITIZENS.
TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO, I TALKED OF THE INFLUX OF GUNS
THAT IS COMING.
AS A RESULT OF THE PROGRAM.
BASE ON WHAT THEY ARE SAYING, MORE GUNS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD
NOW THAN ANY OTHER TIME BEFORE.
YOU HAVE KIDS GOING TO SCHOOL WITH GUNS.
YOU GOT KIDS KILLING EACH OTHER.
THE WEST TAMPA PUBLIC SAFETY INITIATIVE IS GOING TO FOCUS ON
THAT, SPECIFICALLY GENERATION Z AND GENERATIONAL IF A.
GENERATION ALFA WAS BORN BETWEEN 2010 AND 2023.
AND THESE PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO BE ONES THAT COMMIT THE
MOST NOTORIOUS VIOLENCE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE OTHER THING WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE BEST TAMPA
COMMUNITY BASE AND E COMMERCIAL AND LOOKING AT WORKING WITH
OVER 100 RESIDENTS OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS TO START THEIR
HOME-BASED E COMMERCIAL BUSINESS.
ALSO THOSE CONCERNS COMING FROM THE COMMUNITY RELATED TO THE
WEST TAMPA CHANGE IN SCHOOL SYSTEM.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A SUPERINTENDENT TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE
RELATED TO WEST TAMPA SCHOOLS.
THE OTHER THING WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS THE -- IS THE
WEST TAMPA CRA AND FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR RESIDENTS,
COMMUNITY GROUPS, BUSINESSES AND ETC.
WE ALSO WANT TO TALK OF THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FLORIDA
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IN WHICH WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, HUNDRED OF JOBS THAT WILL BE
CREATED FOR RESIDENTS IN WEST TAMPA, BUT ALSO BUSINESSES WHO
WILL CONNECT THOSE BUSINESSES ALSO TO THE INITIATIVE.
THE OTHER THING WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT IS WITH THE WEST
TAMPA COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT INITIATIVE.
OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, WE WILL BE HAVING THE FOCUS GROUP
OF WHAT WAS 300 RESIDENTS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS IT THAT THEY
WANT TO SEE, RENTAL, HOMEOWNERS, YOUTH, OUT-OF-WORK PEOPLE
AND THOSE ON FIXED INCOME AND DO A FOLLOW-UP ON THE
COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
HAVE A GREAT DAY.
10:43:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. RANDOLPH.
AGAIN, ANYONE ELSE ONLINE OR IN CHAMBERS THAT WISHES TO
SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT?
THANK YOU.
THEN I SUGGEST WE GET RIGHT TO THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS.
10:43:55AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL
ATTORNEY.
FOR THE RECORD WHAT I PASSED OUT FOR CITY COUNCIL AND COPY
TO THE CLERK AND A COPY TO THE LEGAL IS THE SUMMARY AND
MINUTES OF THE JANUARY 5, 2023 COUNCIL MEETING WHEREIN
COUNCIL TOOK ACTION ON ITEM 81-85, RELATIVE TO THE FIVE --
EXCUSE ME 84, RELATIVE TO THE FIVE ORDINANCES BEING
PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION.
YOU HAVE RECEIVED A MEMO FROM THE MAYOR WITHIN THE 14 DAYS
AS SET FORTH IN THE CHARTER.
IT IS NOW -- IT IS NOW BEFORE YOU FOR RECONSIDERATION.
AND MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT EACH ORDINANCE BE PRESENTED
INDIVIDUALLY.
BEING READ BY TITLE BEFORE YOU TAKE FINAL ACTION AS COUNCIL
HAS AGREED TO TAKE ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT IF THERE IS
ANY AND IF THERE IS ANY INPUT FROM THE ADMINISTRATION AS
WELL OR LEGAL, THAT WOULD BE THE TIME TO BE ABLE TO
RECOGNIZE THEM AND MOVE FORWARD IF YOU WISH SPECIFICALLY, BY
THE WAY, FOR THE PURPOSES OF YOUR CONSIDERING, PROVIDED YOU
THIS -- A SUMMARY IN THE MINUTES BECAUSE WHAT THEY DO
CONTAIN, IS THEY DO CONTAIN -- I WILL CONFIRM THAT WITH THE
CLERK -- THEY DO CONTAIN THE ORDINANCE ABOUT I TITLE THAT
HAVE TO BE READ FROM TITLE ONLY AND YOU HAVE THAT IN FRONT
OF YOU FOR ALL THE ORDINANCES AND THE VOTES THAT WERE
RECORDED FOR THOSE INDIVIDUAL ORDINANCES ON JANUARY 5.
THANK YOU.
10:46:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:46:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY ONLY QUESTION IS -- OBVIOUSLY THIS IS NOT
A SECOND READING.
ANY SPECIAL LANGUAGE WE NEED TO USE WHEN -- WHEN MAKING THE
MOTION?
10:46:17AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WELL, IN THAT IT IS IN FRONT OF YOU FOR
RECONSIDERATION AS PRAISED BY THE CHARTER UNDER SECTION
2.10, MY SUGGESTION IS THAT YOU JUST MOVE IT AS -- ON
RECONSIDERATION AND READ THE TITLE BY ONLY.
10:46:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO OPEN.
10:46:40AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AGAIN, COUNCIL, SO YOU AND THE PUBLIC KNOW
PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 2.10 OF THE CHARTER A TWO-THIRDS
AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF ALL MEMBERS IS REQUIRED.
37 AND, AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE A SUPERMAJORITY OR FIVE OR MORE
VOTES.
AGAIN, ANYTHING -- A VOTE FOR OF FOUR AND FEWER WILL SUSTAIN
THE MAYORAL VETO.
10:47:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCIL, WILL YOU PLEASE INDULGE ME.
MISS ZELMAN.
10:47:09AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
GOOD MORNING, ANDREA ZELMAN, LEGAL
DEPARTMENT.
10:47:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, YOU ARE THE CITY ATTORNEY.
10:47:26AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
CORRECT.
10:47:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE TWO BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT, THE
EXECUTIVE AND LEGISLATIVE.
WE ARE THE LEGISLATIVE BODY.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY BY ORDINANCE OR BY RESOLUTION TO CHANGE
OUR LAWS AND ORDINANCES, TO CHANGE OUR CODES, TO MAKE
CHANGES TO HOW THIS GOVERNMENT IS RUN.
WE HAVE THAT POWER.
THAT IS OUR DUTY TO OUR CITIZENS.
I ASKED BEFORE.
I WASN'T HAPPY WITH THE ANSWER.
I AM ASKING YOU.
DOES THIS CITY COUNCIL HAVE THE POWERS THROUGH ORDINANCE OR
THROUGH RESOLUTION TO DO THE SAME CHANGES THAT WE -- THAT WE
HAVE PROPOSED THEREBY SETTING INTO MOTION THAT THESE CHANGES
WILL NOT HAVE TO GO TO THE BALLOT AND THEY CAN TAKE EFFECT
IN THREE WEEKS, GIVE OR TAKE A FEW DAYS.
DO WE HAVE THAT POWER, THE LEGISLATIVE POWER TO JUST ENACT
ALL THESE THINGS BY ORDINANCE OR BY RESOLUTION?
10:48:45AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
YES.
I WOULD AGREE WITH ONE EXCEPTION, THAT BEING THE TERM LIMITS
AND I WILL GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE.
BUT, YES, I AGREE THAT THE OTHER PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENTS
CAN ALL BE ADDRESSED BY CODE AMENDMENTS OR BY RESOLUTION OF
CITY COUNCIL.
10:49:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMEMBERS, CARPE DIEM.
SEIZE THE MOMENT.
AS THE ATTORNEY FOR THE ACLU AND I WILL PARAPHRASE, YOU
NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO HAPPEN AT THE ELECTIONS.
AS MR. LOCKET SAID, AND I WILL PARAPHRASE, IF WE MAKE THESE
LAWS AND ORDINANCES.
IF WE SET THESE LAWS IN MOTION TO ACHIEVE WHAT WE ARE TRYING
TO ACHIEVE, COUNCILMEMBERS, IF WE WOULD DONE THAT TWO WEEKS
AGO, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE TODAY.
WE, THE CITY COUNCIL, LADIES -- LADY AND GENTLEMEN,
COUNCILMEMBERS HAVE THE POWER TO TODAY SAY WE WANT TO
ACHIEVE THESE THINGS THROUGH ORDINANCES OR THROUGH
RESOLUTIONS.
LET'S SHOW OUR BACKBONE.
LET'S STAND UP FOR THE CITIZENS WANT US TO DO AND LET'S PUT
THIS INTO EFFECT STARTING WITH MAKING MOTIONS ON RESOLUTIONS
AND ORDINANCES TODAY.
CARPE DIEM.
SEIZE THE MOMENT.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:50:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHILE I APPRECIATE THAT, WE ACTUALLY GOT
QUITE A FEW BACK AND FORTH WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD DO THIS
BY ORDINANCE AND RESOLUTION.
AND IF WE PUNT IT, WE ARE BASICALLY HAVING TO START ALL OVER
BECAUSE TODAY WE CAN'T PUT THESE IN EFFECT BECAUSE THESE
ORDINANCES IS ABOUT PUTTING THESE STUFF ON THE BALLOT.
NOT ABOUT ACTUALLY DOING IT.
SO WE ARE GOING TO START ALL OVER AGAIN.
I AM TELLING YOU THE PUBLIC -- THAT'S NOT WHAT I AM HEARING.
AND SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS WHILE I RESPECT THAT, THAT IS NOT
WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD BY -- BY THE CITY ATTORNEY.
AND AT THIS POINT, THE PUBLIC IS SAYING THEY WANT TO VOTE.
THEY DON'T WANT US TO DO IT.
THEY WANT TO TO DO IT.
SO I AM ABSOLUTELY GOING TO VOTE TO OVERRIDE THESE AND PUT
THEM ON THE BALLOT LIKE THE PUBLIC WANTED.
WE ALL VOTE THE UNANIMOUSLY ON FOUR OUT OF FIVE TO PUT IT ON
THE BALLOT.
THE OTHER GOT A 5-2 VOTE.
WE ARE HAVE THE VOTE.
WE ARE HERE TO KIND OF GET IT DONE.
10:51:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IF I MAY ANSWER TO THAT, SINCE THIS IS OUR
ONLY OPEN DIALOGUE AMONG COUNCILMEMBERS, LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN, AND IF THEY DON'T PASS AT THE BALLOT, AND I AM
NOT SAYING THAT THE VOTERS ARE NOT SMART, THEY ARE.
BUT IF IT DOESN'T PASS, DO WE THROW OUR HANDS UP AND SAY WE
TRIED.
THIS WAY GOING THROUGH ORDINANCE OR GOING THROUGH
RESOLUTION, THAT IS A DEFINITE ANSWER.
10:51:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ACTUALLY IT ISN'T, BECAUSE COUNCIL -- FUTURE
COUNCILS CAN OVERTURN THAT, NO, IT'S NOT.
ALSO THAT IS NOT WHAT IS HAPPENING TODAY.
YOU ARE BASICALLY STARTING THE CYCLE ALL OVER AGAIN AND WE
ALREADY AGREED -- WE ALREADY AGREED, UNANIMOUS VOTES ON
PUTTING THIS -- RATHER ON THE BALLOT FOR THE PEOPLE.
YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT IS THE THING.
IT IS ROLLING THE DICE.
BUT WE AGREE IF THE PEOPLE DON'T WANT IT, THEY WILL VOTE NO.
NOT A BIG DEAL.
THEY ARE LET US KNOW, THEY DON'T WANT IT.
BUT IF THEY DO WANT IT --
10:52:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THEN AGAIN HOW MANY OF THE COUNCIL SAT ON
THE CHARTER REVIEW.
SO MY POINT IS, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THIS GOES INTO
EFFECT SOONER THAN THE ELECTIONS.
10:52:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND I AM GOING TO REPLY AGAIN.
THAT, NO, IN ORDER FOR A CHARTER TO BE OVERTURNED, IT HAS TO
GO BACK TO THE VOTERS.
BUT THAT CAN'T HAPPEN WITH THE SEVEN OF US OR THE SEVEN
PEOPLE SITTING HERE.
HAS TO GO BACK TO THE VOTERS.
WHAT THE VOTERS ARE SAYING, THEY WANT TO VOTE ON ALL THESE
THINGS.
IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT ROUTE IT WILL TAKE LONGER TO GO
THROUGH ORDINANCE BECAUSE FIRST READING, CHANGES.
SECOND READING.
AND THEN THE MAYOR CAN VETO THEM AGAIN AND WE WILL BE HERE
ALL OVER AGAIN.
SO IT'S -- THIS IS -- THIS IS IN THE LONG RUN GOING TO BE
FASTER.
10:53:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:53:12AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE EVERYTHING THEY
COULD OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS TO TRY TO DELAY THIS.
AND OBFUSCATE THIS PROCESS.
THE REASON THIS HAS BEEN DELAYED SO MUCH BY THE MAYOR'S
DESCRIPTION IN HER OP-ED BECAUSE HER PEOPLE PUSHED US TO
DELAY IT.
WE WOULD HAVE HAD THIS PASSED A LONG TIME AGO IF NOT FOR
THAT.
AN ORDINANCE CAN BE CHANGED BY COUNCIL.
AND KEEP IN MIND THE MAYOR AND HER PREDECESSOR RIGHT NOW ARE
NOT HAPPY WITH THE VOTES OF CITY COUNCIL, SO THEY ARE TRYING
TO MANIPULATE THE ELECTION PROCESS TO GET THEIR CITY COUNCIL
IN.
IN FACT THE MAYOR IS RUNNING HER MOTHER-IN-LAW AS A
CANDIDATE.
RUNNING HER MOTHER-IN-LAW AS A CANDIDATE.
AND THE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY ARE NOT HAPPY.
A DEMOCRACY.
THIS IS THE UNITED STATES.
A SEPARATION OF POWER.
WE BELIEVE IN DEMOCRACY IN THIS COUNTRY.
THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE STAFF OF THE CITY REPORT AS MUCH
TO THE CITY COUNCIL AS THEY TO DO THE MAYOR; HOWEVER, PAST
CITY ATTORNEYS, NOT THIS BURN, BUT PAST CITY ATTORNEYS HAVE
MISINTERPRETED THE CHARTER.
MISINTERPRETED ORDINANCES.
LAST WEEK WE FIXED A PROBLEM -- FIXED IT BY ORDINANCE
BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD NOT TO FIX IT BY CHARTER.
FIXED A PROBLEM WITH FOUR YEARS OF LIABILITY OUT THERE
BECAUSE A CITY ATTORNEY IN TWO PARAGRAPHS OVERTURNED WHAT
THE CHARTER SAID AND WHAT AN ORDINANCE THAT PASSED IN 2006
TO PUT THE CITY AT LEGAL LIABILITY IN INTO THE ALLOWING CITY
COUNCIL TO APPROVE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS.
RIDICULOUS THE THINGS THAT HAVE GONE ON IN THE CITY.
THE PUBLIC IS NOT HAPPY.
IT IS NOT PROFESSIONAL.
THE PROBLEM IS THIS ADMINISTRATION LOOKS AT EVERYTHING FROM
A POLITICAL LENS.
EVERYTHING IS A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN.
WE ARE HERE TO SET POLICY.
POLICY IS TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC, ANALYZE THE FACT AND
CREATING SOLUTIONS.
NOT ABOUT WHO WINS OR WHO LOSES OR WHO WILL RUN.
BECAUSE A CONSPIRACY THEORY THAT I WILL RUN AGAINST HER
ATTACKING AND SABOTAGING.
THEY HELPED TO WORK TO GET DINGFELDER OUT AND TRIED TO GET
GUDES OUT.
DESPICABLE.
YOU CAN NOT USE CITY RESOURCES TO ATTACK CITY COUNCIL
MEMBERS ELECTED FROM THE PUBLIC.
YOU GOT TO RESPECT IT AND SHOULD NOT PARTICIPATE AND COLLUDE
TO THROW OUT CITY COUNCILMEMBERS IN AN ELECTION.
IT IS DESPICABLE.
I WILL TELL YOU -- A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS OF THE PROBLEM OF
CITY COUNCIL AND CONFLICT.
IT IS ALL COMING FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.
COMING FROM ACROSS THE STREET.
IF YOU WANT TO KNOW -- GO THERE.
WE ARE STANDING UP TO IT BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE IT.
I WILL TELL YOU, I AM SOMEBODY WHO BELIEVES IN
COLLABORATION.
I AM SOMEONE WHO PRIDES MYSELF OF BEING COLLABORATIVE ACROSS
THE REGION, AROUND THE WORLD.
I WORKED ON COLLABORATION.
THIS ADMINISTRATION DOES NOT WANT TO COLLABORATE.
LAST WEEK THE MAYOR STAYED IN THE MEDIA, I WILL MEET WITH
EVERY CITY COUNCIL MEMBER.
SHE HATES ME.
HER STAFF HATES ME.
SABOTAGED ME FOR THREE AND A HALF YEARS.
HOW MANY OF YOU WOULD GO TO THE OFFICE AND MET WITH HER?
I DID.
I CHANGED MY SCHEDULE AND I MET HER ON FRIDAY MORNING.
CHIEF OF STAFF WAS THERE AS A WITNESS.
I SAID TO HER, MADAM MAYOR, YOU HAVE THREE CHOICES.
YOU CAN VOTE TO APPROVE -- YOU CAN SIGN THESE AND MAKE A
PUBLIC STATEMENT.
HAVE A PRESS CONFERENCE AND SAY I DON'T LIKE THEM.
I DON'T SUPPORT THEM.
YOU CAN CAMPAIGN AGAINST THEM.
BUT ULTIMATELY THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO VIEW THEM AND YOU
CAN SAY I STAND BY THE PUBLIC'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE.
OR YOU CAN VETO THEM AND SEND THIS CITY INTO POLITICAL
CHAOS.
YOU CAN REINFORCE THE MESSAGE THAT CITY COUNCIL AND THE
MAYOR DON'T GET ALONG.
I SAID THAT LAST WEEK.
I SAID I HOPE YOU DON'T DO THAT.
BECAUSE I WANT TO GET ALONG.
WE ALL WANT TO GET ALONG.
WE ALL WANT TO WORK PEACEFULLY TOGETHER.
WHY DO YOU WANT TO CREATE POLITICAL CHAOS.
NUMBER THREE, HAVE A POCKET VETO TO SEND IN A LEGAL FIGHT
THAT WILL SEND US -- THANK GOD SHE DIDN'T DO THAT.
WHY WOULD A SITTING MAYOR WANT TO PERSPECTIVE THE PRECEDENCE
OF CITY COUNCILS AND MAYORS TO GET ALONG TO CREATE POLITICAL
CHAOS.
THEY COME UP WITH EVERY EXCUSE THEY CAN TO STOP THIS.
THEY COME UP WITH LEGAL EXCUSES AND LEGAL INTERPRETATIONS TO
STOP IT.
WE COULD HAVE GONE THROUGH THE MOST PRISTINE PROCESS WITH
EVERYTHING AND THEY WOULD HAVE MADE UP SOMETHING TO STOP IT.
NONE OF THIS IS SUBSTANTIVE.
HOW DOES SETTING TERM LIMITS FOR CITY COUNCIL DISRUPT THE
STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT.
IT DOESN'T.
THEY JUST WANT TO WIN.
JUST ABOUT POLITICS AND A CHECKLIST OF WHO WON AND WHO LOST.
ONE OF OTHER THINGS I SAID TO THE MAYOR, I PRESENTED, LIKE,
22 DIFFERENT PROPOSALS AND CALLED THE OTHER CITY
COUNCILMEMBERS.
I LOST EVERY SINGLE VOTE.
ALL OF THEM WERE GREAT SUGGESTIONS TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT
WOULD HAVE PROTECTED THE COMMUNITY.
I LOST EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
I DID NOT PROPOSE ANY OF THESE.
I SAID YOU ALREADY WON AGAINST ME.
WHY ARE YOU STILL FIGHTING THESE.
THEY WANT A POLITICAL FIGHT.
IT IS DESPICABLE.
WE SHOULD VOTE NOT TO FIGHT BACK OR GET REVENGE AND WE
SHOULD NOT BE A POLITICAL BUDDY.
WE SHOULD VOTE FOR IT BECAUSE IT IS WHAT IS RIGHT FOR THE
COMMUNITY.
IF THE COMMUNITY VOTES IT DOWN, WE RESPECT THEIR DECISION.
BUT WE HAVE TO GIVE IT THE RIGHT TO VOTE.
10:58:34AM >> AMEN.
[APPLAUSE]
[GAVEL SOUNDING]
10:58:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:58:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
APPRECIATE IT.
FIRST OF ALL, THE SECOND TIME SINCE I HAVE BEEN SITTING ON
COUNCIL THIS HAS COME UP FOR A REVIEW OR POSSIBLE CONFLICT
OF THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH.
THE FIRST ONE IN THE '70s OVER PAY RAISE FOR THE FIRE
FIGHTERS, LOCAL 374.
MR. LORANDY, MR. SONARDI AND HERSHEL.
AND I SEE OUR PROCEDURES AND SISTERS FROM THE SAME LOCAL
HERE TODAY.
THAT WAS DENIED BY THE MAYOR.
IT CAME BACK TO THE COUNCIL JUST LIKE THIS IS COMING BACK.
AND IT WAS OVERRIDDEN BY THE COUNCIL ON A 5-2 VOTE.
THAT'S FINE.
AND SINCE THEN, THERE WAS A BIG ARTICLE IN ONE OF THE DAILY
NEWSPAPERS THAT CALL US THE FIRE FIGHTERS FIVE.
WHICH WAS NICE.
THE NEWSPAPER DID THE STORY AND HOW THEY FELT AND I AGREE
THEY HAD THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.
GET TO WHERE WE ARE AT TODAY.
YOU START TO REVIEW THESE THINGS AND YOU LOOK AT NUMBER 80.
I SAID HOW WE START IT.
THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD REGARDING THE CHARTER.
WE AND COUNCIL AND THEN THE MAYOR ARE DIFFERENT MAYOR,
WORKED TOGETHER TO PUT TOGETHER INDIVIDUALS FROM THIS
COMMUNITY AND DIFFERENT SECT TO REPRESENT THE PUBLIC THIS
HAVING NEGOTIATIONS AND AMONG THEMSELVES TO THINK WHAT IS
BEST FOR THEM TO PRESENT TO THIS COUNCIL HERE FOR THE
CHARTER REVIEW.
IT TOOK ABOUT A YEAR.
I NEVER WENT TO ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS.
I THINK THREE OR FOUR MEMBERS HERE THAT WERE PART OF THAT.
INCLUDING SOME FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, SOME THAT ARE
SITTING TOWN AS COUNCILMEMBERS.
WE DID THAT.
DID WE DO THAT IN THIS PROCESS.
CAME FROM A COUNCILMEMBER WHO STARTED IT IN THE CHAMBER.
RIGHT THERE IN THE PROCESS, I THINK SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH
TRANSPARENCY.
LET ME SAY THAT GOING IN.
AND I HAVE NO REGARDS FOR ANYBODY.
THEY DO WHAT THEY WANT.
I WAS BORN ALONE.
I HOPE I DIE ALONE.
AND I DON'T MIND VOTING ALONE.
THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS I BELIEVE IN.
YOU LOOK AT THAT AND WHAT WE ARE DOING NOW, WE SHOULD REALLY
HAVE INSTEAD OF HAVING ALL THIS BS AND I AM TALKING ABOUT
BARBRA STREISAND TO PUT ON THE BUDGET -- I MEAN ON THE
ELECTION, DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE CITY TO GOVERNMENT.
THAT IS WHAT IT IS.
WHEN -- AND I GAVE YOU A FOR INSTANCE.
NOT TOO LONG AGO, TWO FOR THREE MONTHS AGO, WE HAD AN
INDIVIDUAL THAT WE HIRED, MISS TRAVIS HAD A LONG PROCESS OF
HAVING THREE OR FOUR INDIVIDUALS APPLY FOR A CERTAIN JOB.
AND THAT INDIVIDUAL WAS QUALIFIED THE MOST BY THIS COUNCIL
AND TOOK THE JOB.
WE VOTED ON HIM.
HE CAME HERE AND SPOKE.
GUESS WHAT THAT INDIVIDUAL DID.
HE WAS MUCH SMARTER THAN WHAT I THOUGHT HE WAS.
HE SAW US ON TV ONE DAY AND CALLED IN AND QUIT BEFORE HE
TOOK THE JOB.
AM I RIGHT, MISS TRAVIS?
SO WHAT MESSAGE ARE WE SENDING?
THAT WE ARE REALLY STRONG OR THAT WE ARE REALLY DIVIDED.
I MEET WITH THE MAY I DON'T REMEMBER ONCE A MONTH AND ONLY
ABOUT ME AS I AM NOT -- THAT IS NOT MY POSITION.
A MAYORAL POSITION FROM MAYOR GRECO, FROM MAYOR BUCKHORN,
MAYOR IORIO AND MAYOR CASTOR.
AND I SAT ON THAT BOARD OF TAMPA BAY WATER IN THE 88 OTHER
THAN '03 AND '07.
THE ONLY TIME I SAT WITH THE MAYOR TO BRING THAT PERSON AND
ALL THE OTHER MAYORS BEFORE HER THAT WHAT WAS SAID AT THE
MEETING.
I DON'T DISCUSS NOTHING ELSE OTHER THAN PET THE DOG ONCE OR
TWICE.
THAT'S ABOUT IT.
SO WHAT I AM SAYING, WHEN WE START DOING THESE THINGS.
NOT FIVE OR SIX ARE BUT 20 SOMETHING ITEMS THAT WERE DONE.
IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT 20 SOME ITEMS, YOU ARE LOOKING AT
CHANGE OF THE WHOLE CITY.
WE CUT IT DOWN TO THIS.
IN THAT FIRST ORDINANCE, I VOTED NO.
I SAID THEN THAT I AM VOTING NO BECAUSE THE PROCESS WAS
TAINTED.
I SAID IT THEN.
YOU CAN CHECK.
THE OTHERS VOTED YES TO SEE WHERE I WAS STANDING WITH THAT
NO VOTE.
AND I GOT THE MESSAGE LOUD AND CLEAR.
I LEARNED FROM WHAT I LEARNED IN THE PAST.
YOU SEE, THERE IS SMART PEOPLE.
THERE ARE INTELLIGENT PEOPLE.
PEOPLE WHO KNOW A LOT THINK BETTER THAN WE DO.
AND PEOPLE WHO JUST UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU COME FROM
THAT'S WHERE I FIT IN.
I UNDERSTAND WHERE I CAME FROM.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT A HANDSHAKE MEANS.
I UNDERSTAND WHEN MY MOTHER TOLD ME SOMETHING WAS VIOLATED.
I WAS GOING TO HAVE CONSEQUENCES.
AND I HAD CONSEQUENCES.
I DIDN'T ALWAYS DO WHAT MY MOTHER WANTED ME TO DO.
WHAT I AM SAYING TODAY IF WE REALLY WANT TO CHANGE THINGS,
HAVE A DEBATE.
GO BACK.
PUT A BOARD IN.
GO ON AND DO THE RIGHT THING.
IF YOU REALLY WANT TO DO IT RIGHT.
LET'S GET INPUT FROM THE PEOPLE WE PUT ON TO TELL THE
ELECTED OFFICIALS WHAT THEY THINK SHOULD BE CHANGED.
NOT US CHANGING THE ITEMS WITHOUT ANY CONTRACT WITH THE
PEOPLE THAT WE PUT ON THAT REVIEW BOARD.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS TO ME THAT ARE UNACCEPTABLE.
AND I UNDERSTAND -- I DON'T TALK TO ANY COUNCILMEMBERS OF
ANYTHING REGARDING THAT.
THEY DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
HERE IS WHAT THE PROCESS IS TODAY AND LET'S SEE WHERE IT
GOES.
11:04:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:04:10AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU EVERYBODY.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
WHEN I HEAR THINGS COMING OUT OF CITY COUNCIL, IT -- THE
RHETORIC WE HAVE SEEN, ETC., ETC., THE RHETORIC THAT HAS
BEEN ENCOURAGED IT REALLY BOTHERS ME.
I AM A PERSON WHO BELIEVES YOU CAN HAVE BOTH THING.
I BELIEVE YOU CAN OVERRIDE THE MAYOR'S VETO AND HAVE A
SIMPLE DISAGREEMENT WITHOUT BEING UNCIVIL AND ESCALATING
TENSIONS IN A POLITICAL YEAR WHEN SO MUCH TO GAIN.
I WALKED IN HERE INTENDING TO OVERRIDE ON THE VAST MAJORITY
OF THESE AND LOOK INTO ONE RESOLUTION CAN'T BE DONE, GO
FORWARD TO AN OVERRIDING.
BUT I DID NOT WALK IN HERE TENDING TO ESCALATE THE POLITICAL
DIVISIONS WE ARE HAVING IN THIS CITY GOVERNMENT.
WE HEAR SO MUCH RHETORIC.
SO MUCH RHETORIC.
I WAS TALKING TO SOMEONE YESTERDAY, SOMEONE SAID THE MAYOR
-- AGAIN, DISAGREE WITH THE MAYOR'S VETO AND INTEND TO
OVERRIDE.
SOMEONE SAID THE MAYOR IS SUPPRESSING VOTE.
VOTER SUPPRESSION.
ETC.
I SAID, WELL, LET'S SAY THAT A -- A VOTER INITIATIVE CAME TO
YOU AND YOU WERE AN EXECUTIVE AND WOULD TEAR DOWN LABOR
UNIONS, RIGHT.
YOU WOULD VETO IT, BECAUSE YOU OPPOSE THE SUBSTANCE OF IT.
IS THAT VOTER SUPPRESSION?
NO, IT IS EXPRESSING YOUR OPINION AS A DEMOCRATICALLY
ELECTED OFFICIAL.
WHAT WE ARE DOING OUT OF BOUNDS?
ABSOLUTELY NOT.
BECAUSE WE ARE ELECTED OFFICIALS ACTING PURSUANT TO THE
CHARTER AND THAT IS IT WHAT I INTEND TO DO.
WE DO SEE A TON -- VOTER SUPPRESSION IS REAL, RIGHT.
SINCE 2020, WE HAD ABOUT 250 ATTEMPTS IN OVER 40 STATES FOR
VOTER SUPPRESSION LEGISLATION.
2018, I REMEMBER GOVERNOR -- NORTHERN DISTRICT JUDGE MARK
WALKER STRUCK DOWN A BILL BY GOVERNOR RICK SCOTT IS TO
PRECLUDE EARLY VOTING ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES.
WE SAW OUR ATTORNEY GENERAL IN FLORIDA JOIN TEXAS IN TRYING
TO THROW OUT THE VOTES OF -- I THINK FOUR OTHER STATES THAT
HAPPENED TO GO FOR NOW PRESIDENT BIDEN.
WE SAW JANUARY 6.
MANY, MANY ISSUES OF VOTER SUPPRESSION.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE FRAME ISSUES AS THEY ARE.
WHEN I HEAR LANGUAGE ON THAT INCLUDING AUTHOR FOR IAN
AUTHORITARIAN, ETC.
WANT TO STAY IN REASONABLE REALITY.
MY OPINION THAT WE WILL GO FORWARD -- I THINK AND OVERRIDE
THE MAYOR'S VETO BUT THAT WE DO NOT ESCALATE THE POLITICAL
RHETORICS THAT IS IN THE CITY GOVERNMENT.
WE HAVE A DISAGREEMENT.
I DISAGREE WITH THE MAY I DON'T REMEMBER OF THESE ISSUES.
I WILL VOTE TO OVERRIDE.
ONE TO INQUIRE ON.
THAT IS WHAT I INTEND TO DO, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
THE TERMS OF THE DEBATE ARE FAIR AND THEY DO NOT, AGAIN,
ESCALATE THE POLITICAL RHETORIC IN THE CITY GOVERNMENT WHERE
WE ARE RIGHT NOW GOING OVER THE EDGE ON THIS.
WE NEED TO TURN BACK JUST A LITTLE BIT WHERE WE CAN DISAGREE
WITH ONE ANOTHER, RIGHT, AND NOT NEEDLESSLY DEMONIZE ONE
ANOTHER.
I THINK WE CAN DO THAT HERE.
WHEN I TAKE A LOOK -- I HAVE SAID IT AGAIN AND AGAIN, THESE
PROPOSED BALLOT MEASURES ARE NOT RADICAL.
THEY ARE VERY, VERY SIMPLE.
I SUPPORT THEM IN SUBSTANCE.
THE VOTERS WANT TO VOTE ON THEM.
LET'S GO FOR IT.
NO PROBLEMS HERE.
A POINT I DO WANT TO MAKE AND SOMETHING THAT IS VERY
IMPORTANT TO ME.
I GUESS IF -- YOU MENTIONED JUDGE.
SOMETIMES WHEN YOU GO ON AN OPINION, YOU FILE WHAT IS CALLED
A CONCURRING OPINION.
MAYBE THAT IS A CONCURRING OPINION HERE.
THAT'S ALL.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
11:07:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:07:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WROTE WHAT SOMEBODY SAID EARLIER, WROTE WHAT YOU THINK IS
RIGHT AND BE INDEPENDENT.
THAT IS SOMETHING MY MOTHER SAYS, DO WHAT YOU THINK IS
RIGHT.
THAT IS THE ADVICE SHE GIVES ME AND THINK FOR YOURSELF WHICH
IS TO BE INDEPENDENT.
I ADD TO THAT DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE.
I FINE IS UNNECESSARY AND OFFENSIVE TO DO A BLANKET VETO OF
EVERYTHING.
I CAN UNDERSTAND DOING MY DUE DILIGENCE, THE PROS AND CONS
OF SOME OF THESE THINGS AND LOOK INTO THE REASONING WHY THE
MAYOR VETOED SOME.
AT THE END OF THE DAY SOME ARE NO BRAINERS AND I WILL GET
INTO THE SUBSTANTIAL AS WE TAKE EACH ONE ONE BY ONE.
WE ARE NOT HURTING ANYBODY.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT GOES BACK TO THE THINGS MY MOTHER
TOLD ME AND THINGS I HEARD TODAY, VOTE FOR WHAT YOU THINK IS
RIGHT AND BE INDEPENDENT.
THAT'S IT.
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO MAKING OUR DECISIONS HERE.
11:08:40AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AM I RECOGNIZED.
11:08:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT'S WHY I AM LOOKING AT YOU.
COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED GUDES GUDES THESE FOUR
YEARS HAVE GONE UP AND DOWN AND SOMETIMES VERY AGGRESSIVE.
I ALWAYS HAVE BEEN OF THE CULTURE OF AGREE TO DISAGREE.
YOU MADE THAT DECISION.
I ALWAYS HAVE BEEN A COMPROMISER.
AND SEVERAL ISSUES I SHOULD HAVE WENT WITH WHAT THE
CONSTITUENTS SAY, BUT I WENT WITH THE ADMINISTRATION.
I HAVE DONE THAT.
I GATHERED ALL THE COUNCILMEMBERS TO GO ACROSS THE STREET --
MANY OF YOU SAID I DON'T WANT TO GO THERE -- I WAS THE
CHAIRMAN.
YOU BELIEVED IN ME AND YOU WENT.
YOU SAID I WILL GO BECAUSE IT IS YOU.
EVEN THOUGH YOU DIDN'T VOTE FOR CERTAIN THINGS.
I AM APPRECIATIVE OF THAT BECAUSE WANT TO BE A BODY OF
DEVOTED PEOPLE.
I WILL NEVER DISRESPECT ANY OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS NO MATTER
WHAT.
IF A PROBLEM, I WILL GO TO YOU.
NOT THE ADMINISTRATION.
I WILL COME TO YOU.
THAT IS HOW I BELIEVE TO HANDLE BUSINESS.
SAME THING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, YOU HAVE A PROBLEM, COME
TO THE COUNCILMEMBERS.
WORK IT OUT THERE.
DON'T TRY TO SABOTAGE AND DO THINGS THAT I BELIEVE ARE
UNETHICAL.
WE ALL HAD OUR MEETING WITH THE MAYOR AND SAID.
I SAID THE THINGS I SAID.
AND, YOU KNOW, DON'T WISH TO TAKE THEM BACK TRUTHFUL AT THE
TIME AND ANGRY.
I DIDN'T GO IN A CERTAIN AREA I WANTED TO GO BECAUSE MY
FAITH LED ME TO SAY, NO, YOU STOP YOURSELF.
YOU SAID ENOUGH.
I DO RESPECT THE ADMINISTRATION, BUT SOMETIMES I DON'T
RESPECT THEIR TACTICS.
I ALWAYS WILL WORK WITH THE ADMINISTRATION.
IF I'M HERE TOMORROW, GONE TOMORROW.
I AM STILL GOING TO BE THE SAME PERSON.
SAY WHAT I WANT TO SAY.
I AM AN OUTSPOKEN PERSON.
NOT AN ANGRY BLACK MAN, A MAN WITH PASSION WHO SEES THINGS
THIS THE ANY THAT HAVE BEEN WRONG.
COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE BEEN WRONGED.
WHAT I SEE IN THE CITY IS JUST ABOUT POWER AND MONEY AT
TIMES.
POWER AND MONEY.
AND MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL, AS WE ALL KNOW.
I DON'T LIKE A STRONG FORM OF MAYOR GOVERNMENT.
BECAUSE IT IS A DICTATORSHIP AT TIMES.
I TRULY BELIEVE THAT.
BECAUSE THEY ARE RUN BY POWER AND MONEY.
BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A COLLEGIAL BODY THAT CAN HEAR THE PEOPLE
BECAUSE I FEEL WE HEAR THE PEOPLE.
AND LET CONSTITUENTS DAY -- YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT THE MAYOR
AND GET -- DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.
BUT HERE WE ARE ON GROUND ZERO.
PEOPLE COME HERE.
WE WALK OUT.
IT IS A DIFFERENT PROCESS.
YES, IT IS GOOD TO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE THAT CAN RUN THE CITY
AND DO THOSE THINGS THAT WE CAN'T DO.
THAT'S GREAT.
BUT I BELIEVE MONEY AND POWER GETS INFECTED WHEN YOU HAVE
SOMEBODY WHO HAS CONTROL.
WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER EMPLOYEES.
WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THIS AND THAT.
WE HAVE CONTROL TO LEGISLATURE THIS COMMUNITY, CITY AND MAKE
SURE THINGS ARE DONE ABOVE BOARD AND WHEN CITIZENS COME HERE
EVERY THURSDAY, OUR JOB TO HEAR THEIR COMPLAINTS AND ASK
QUESTIONS AND GET IT RIGHT TO THE BEST WE CAN.
I AM ALWAYS GOING TO DO THAT.
I AM ALWAYS GOING TO POLICE TO THE PEOPLE.
IF SOMETHING I DON'T AGREE, I WILL GO THE PEOPLE AND TELL
YOU WHY I CAN'T SUPPORT IT.
I AM GOING TO BE UP FRONT WITH THEM.
NO DIFFERENT THAN DEVELOPERS, I TELL YOU THIS, DO THIS, AND
THAT.
I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT.
I AM NOT A GUY TO SIT AND WAVE.
AND -- I DON'T DO THAT -- I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW HOW I
FEEL.
I DON'T NEED TO WAVER WITH ANYBODY.
WE DON'T NEED TO KEEP HAVING A DEBATE.
THE MAYOR ALREADY VETOED IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DISCUSSION IS.
LET'S TAKE A VOTE.
THE PUBLIC HAS ALREADY SPOKEN.
IT IS WHAT IT IS.
TO COME HERE AND TALK OF A ORDINANCE.
HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE ASKED OF AN ORDINANCE AND GOT IFs,
ANDs AND BUTs.
WE GET OVER THIS OF GETTING IT DONE WAY AFTER IT WAS -- THIS
COULD HAVE BEEN DONE AND PLAYED AND KICKED IT DOWN THE
FIELD.
WAIT AND MR. SHELBY WAS GONE ON SABBATICAL, YOU KNOW.
WITHOUT A CITY ATTORNEY TO GIVE GUIDANCE OR ANYTHING.
STILL HAVING TO COME TO THE PREMISE THAT WE DO CATHEDRAL A
SECOND WESTERN WITH MR. SHELBY AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET
MORE STAFF.
AND WE DIDN'T DO IT.
AND YOU KNOW WE NEED MORE STAFF.
YOU KNOW WE NEED MORE STAFF.
THE MONEY SITUATION.
WE NEEDED THE MONEY.
COST OF LIVING.
EVERYTHING.
THE PUBLIC SAID -- THEY TOLD US WHAT THEY WANTED.
WE WORK FOR THEM.
WE DON'T WORK FOR OURSELVES.
THIS HAS BEEN A DOWNFALL SOMETIMES IN THIS COUNCIL THAT WE
ARE NOT LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE ON REAL ISSUE.
THIS CHARTER WE KNOW TO HAVE THE POW TER NEEDS TO BE LOOKED
AT AGAINST BECAUSE THINGS THAT ARE WRONG IN IT.
INTERPRETATIONS, MEMBERS WHO SIT ON THE BOARD.
AND WE KNOW THAT IS WHY WE ARE RAISING HELL SAYING WE DON'T
KNOW AND WE KNOW NOW THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CHANGED.
I YIELD BACK, SIR.
11:14:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, SEE THE HAND UP.
11:14:06AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO, SIR.
11:14:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:14:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HI.
I APPRECIATE ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES' COMMENTS.
YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT.
IT MAY NOT BE IN THE CHARTER ITSELF BUT BECAUSE THE WAY THE
ADMINISTRATION WORKS, HOW THE CHARTER LAYS OUT HOW THE CITY
RUNS.
SOMEONE THAT RUNNING THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATION.
OUR JOB AS CITY COUNCIL IS TO MAKE THE LAWS AND WE ARE A
CHECK AND BALANCES OF HOW THIS ALL WORKS.
WE LOOK AT THE COST OF THINGS EVERY WEEK.
WE LOOK AT CHANGING LAND USE ZONING.
OUR JOB IS TO SET THE PATH FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO FOLLOW.
THAT IS WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO.
THAT IS THE BALANCE OF POWER IS.
YES, A STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT, BUT THE CITY COUNCIL
IS SUPPOSED TO ACT AS A CHECKS AND BALANCES TO THE SYSTEM.
AND A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT.
THIS BODY HAS SAT AS A RUBBER STAMP FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
THIS PARTICULAR COUNCIL HAS DECIDED THEY DON'T WANT TO DO
THAT ANYMORE.
SO WHILE THERE MAY BE DISAGREEMENT.
NOT A FIGHT.
ALL IT IS THAT NOW WE HAVE A CULTURE WHERE WE ARE
DISAGREEING SOMETIMES.
WE ARE JUST DISAGREEING.
I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE, LIKE, I CHOSE MY HUSBAND.
LIKE I LOVE THAT MAN.
BUT THERE IS NO WAY -- I DON'T AGREE WITH HIM ON EVERYTHING.
SO HOW IN THE WORLD CAN I AGREE WITH ANYONE ELSE.
AND THAT IS THE WAY I FEEL.
WE SIT DOWN AND WE DID TALK OF THESE AND THE MAYOR ASKED ME
IF I HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH THEM.
NO.
WAS I CONCERNED THAT THE PUBLIC DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME, I
SAID NO.
WE HAD FOUR DIFFERENT MEETINGS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO TALK
ABOUT THIS.
OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THE PUBLIC SAID THEY WANTED TO HAVE A
WORD IN THIS.
THEY WANTED TO VOTE.
MY THING -- I AM NOT GOING TO APPROVE ANY TYPE OF ORDINANCE
OR RESOLUTION TO GET IT DONE, BECAUSE WHAT I AM HEARING NOW
IS THAT THE PEOPLE WANT THIS DONE.
THEY WANT TO VOTE ON IT.
THERE IS NOTHING SPECIAL ABOUT OVERRIDING A VETO.
JUST ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE CAN TO AS COUNCIL.
I AM PROUD OF BEING A MEMBER OF THIS BODY WHO REALLY IS
STUDYING AND LOOKING AT HOW THE CITY RUNS EVERY DAY.
AND IN CITY HAS GONE FROM SLIGHTLY COMPLICATED TO VASTLY
COMPLICATED IN TWO YEARS' TIME.
AND I KNOW THAT WE ALL WORK OUR -- WELL, I HOPE THAT WE ALL
WORK OUR HARDEST TO FIND THAT BALANCE.
BUT HERE IS THE THING.
THIS IS OUR JOB.
WE WERE ELECTED OR APPOINTED TO DO THIS JOB.
TO LOOK AT EACH THING AND DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT IT FITS TO
WHERE OUR CITY NEEDS TO GO.
AND THE PUBLIC IS TELLING US, THEY WANT INPUT ON HOW OUR
CITY RUNS.
ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO -- I AM GOING TO SINGLE OUT ONE
OF THEM, THE INTERIM DEPARTMENT HEADS.
THE PUBLIC IS SAYING WHAT HAPPENED WHAT NINE MONTHS AGO
CAN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
THAT IS WHAT THIS DOES.
WE ARE CLOSING A LOOPHOLE SO IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
ALL OF THESE ARE SLIGHT CHANGES THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE OUR
CITY'S CHARTER BETTER OR NOT DEPENDING ON WHAT Y'ALL SAY,
BUT IT IS NOT OUR CHOICE.
IT IS GOING TO BE UP TO YOU.
THANK YOU.
11:17:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR INDULGING ME.
AND I THANK YOU FOR THIS ROBUST DISCUSSION.
MISS ZELMAN, BEFORE YOU WALK AWAY, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME
YOUR OPINION ON WHETHER OR NOT THESE CAN BE DONE THROUGH
ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTIONS.
NOW LET'S JUST TAKE ONE SECOND.
IF WE WERE TO SET AN ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION INTO MOTION
TODAY, IT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE TWO WEEKS FOR IT TO COME BACK.
THEN WE WOULD HAVE THE FIRST READING WHICH IS ANOTHER WEEK.
THAT IS FIRST READING IS ANOTHER WEEK.
THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SECOND READING WHICH IS ANOTHER
TWO WEEKS.
SO NOW WE ARE UP TO SIX WEEKS.
11:18:26AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
YOU HAD AN EXTRA WEEK IN THERE.
IF -- FOR INSTANCE, THE CRB ATTORNEY IS AN EXAMPLE OF ONE
WHERE EVEN THE OUTSIDE COUNSEL THAT YOU HAD WORK ON THESE
ORDINANCES ADVISED YOU THAT ROLE COULD BE CREATED BY A CODE
AMENDMENT.
YOU ALREADY HAVE A CODE THAT WAS ADOPTED BY THIS CITY
COUNCIL IN 2021 THAT SPELLS OUT HOW LEGAL COUNCIL IS
PROVIDED TO THE CRB.
IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE WAY THAT LEGAL COUNSEL IS PROVIDED
TO THE CRB.
THE EASIEST WAY IS TO AMEND THE CODE.
IF WE BRING YOU AN ORDINANCE, YOU WILL HEAR IT ON FIRST
READING, TWO WEEKS LATER SECOND READING AND IT ADOPTION.
EXTRA WEEKS MAY FALL IN THERE BECAUSE OF THE SIRE DEADLINES
AND THE SCHEDULE FOR YOUR HEARINGS, BUT, YES, THAT IS
SOMETHING -- PERFECT EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE
VERY QUICKLY.
WHILE I HAVE THE PODIUM, I JUST WANT TO MAKE TWO HISTORICAL
CORRECTIONS FOR ADDITIONS TO WHAT WAS SAID.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, IN 1990, MAYOR SANDY FREEMAN ACTUALLY
VETOED TWO PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENTS REGARDING A CHARTER
REVIEW COMMISSION.
AND INTERESTINGLY, WHEN I READ HER LETTER AND THE MAYOR'S
LETTER, THEY WERE SAYING SOME OF THE SAME OBJECTIONS.
THIS WAS RUSHED.
IT WASN'T WELL THOUGHT-OUT.
AND I AM HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE COUNCIL ON A SOLUTION.
JUST FOR HISTORICAL REFERENCE SINCE YOU MENTIONED THAT.
AND I DO WANT TO CORRECT ONE THING THAT I THINK WAS UNFAIR.
ONLY BECAUSE I WAS SO INVOLVED WITH THIS.
11.:20:17AM THE DELAY -- THE TIMING OF THE CHARTER REVIEW WORKSHOP THAT
YOU ALL HAD, THERE WAS NOT A SINGLE DELAY CAUSED BY THE
ADMINISTRATION.
I CHARTED OUT EVERY SINGLE MOTION THAT WAS MADE STARTING IN
FEBRUARY OF 2021 WHEN COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER FIRST MOTIONED
FOR A WORKSHOP ON THE CHARTER AMENDMENT.
EVERY DELAY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE WHEN A FACILITATOR'S
HUSBAND HAD COVID, COUNCIL VOTE TO RESCHEDULE IT, RESCHEDULE
IT WHO HIRE A FACILITATOR.
IN SEPTEMBER, YOU OPENED A CHARTER WORKSHOP AND CLOSED IT
AND.
NONE WAS THE ADMINISTRATION WANTING TO CHANGE THAT.
AND I THINK THAT WAS UNFAIR.
I FORGOT THE QUESTION.
I APOLOGIZE.
11:21:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
TIMELINE.
IF WE TOOK THE ACTION TODAY, COULD A CODE OR ORDINANCE BE
PUT INTO EFFECT BEFORE THE ELECTIONS?
11:21:25AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I BELIEVE SO, YES.
11:21:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
I WILL GO TO COUNCILMAN GUDES AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:21:31AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I
THOUGHT WE WERE HERE TODAY TO VOTE ON THE PROPOSED CHARTERS.
I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE HERE TO DISCUSS ANOTHER AVENUE.
I DON'T THINK ANY COUNCILMEMBERS WILL DISCUSS ANOTHER
AVENUE.
I THOUGHT, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THAT WE WERE THERE GET THIS
DONE, TO EITHER OVERRIDE OR NOT WITH A VOTE AND CONTINUE AND
NO GO TO LEGAL COUNSEL AND ASK OF ALL THESE DIFFERENT
AVENUES.
11:21:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IF I CAN --
11:21:56AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
LET ME FINISH SIR.
WE ALREADY ASKED THOSE QUESTIONS AND GOT RUN-AROUND
QUESTIONS IN REFERENCE TO ORDINANCE.
THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY.
I WILL ASK MR. CHAIRMAN THAT A VOTE BE PUT ON THE FLOOR FOR
ALL FIVE ITEMS AND MOVE FORWARD AND LET'S STOP THE
BUREAUCRACY AND THE BS AND LET'S MOVE.
[APPLAUSE]
[GAVEL SOUNDING]
11:22:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:22:19AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I HAVE NO -- THE HONORABLE CITY ATTORNEY
FROM 1990, WHEN I SPOKE, I CLEARLY SAID FROM '74 I WAS HERE
AND DIDN'T COME BACK TO 1995 AND EVIDENTLY SHE FOUND
SOMETHING 1990.
EVERYTHING THAT I SAID WAS CORRECT AND EVERYTHING SHE SAID
WAS CORRECT.
SO TWO CORRECTIONS DOESN'T EQUAL IN MINUS.
HOWEVER, AGAIN, WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS MAKE CHANGES.
AND I BELIEVE ONE OF THE CHANGES -- I DON'T RECALL ALL
BECAUSE 20 SOMETHING PRESENTED.
ONE HAS THE IDEA THAT WE ARE GOING TO ASK APPROVAL.
THE APPROVAL FROM US WHOEVER WANTS TO HIRE ONE DEPARTMENT
HEAD.
I AM NOT SURE ABOUT IT IF I REMEMBER IT THAT WAY.
INSTEAD OF WORKING FOR THE MAYOR WHOEVER THE MAYOR IS, THAT
DEPARTMENT HEAD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL FIRST
BEFORE THE MAYOR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
THAT SHOULD REALLY GO TO CHANGE THE GOVERNMENT.
WHEN YOU START CHANGING THE STRUCTURE OF A GOVERNMENT, YOU
HAVE TO GET APPROVED BY THE CITIZENS.
THIS -- THEY SHOULD HAVE IT ALL AND TAKE IT ALL THAT YOU
WANT TO CHANGE THE WAY WE HAVE A GOVERNMENT.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
BUT WHEN YOU START DOING THESE THINGS IN MY MIND, IT IS NOT
THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
THAT'S JUST ME.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
HAVE A NICE DAY.
11:23:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:23:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE TRIED THE ORDINANCE AND RESOLUTION THING
BEFORE AND KEEPS GETTING SHOT DOWN AND WHY THE VOTERS WANTED
US TO GO TO -- GO TO A VOTE.
BECAUSE HERE IS THE THING.
WE -- WE ARE JUST GOING AROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND AND
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CHANGE THEIR VOTES.
AND IT HERE -- WE ALREADY APPROVED THESE UNANIMOUSLY JUST A
COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
LET'S JUST -- AS COUNCILMAN GUDES SAID, LET'S GET THESE
VOTES DONE AND LET THE PEOPLE KNOW WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE
GOING TO SUPPORT THEM MAKING THE DECISION.
11:24:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGAIN, I THANK YOU ALL.
TOP A COUPLE COUNCIL PEOPLE'S POINT, I AM NOT HERE TO BE
RIGHT.
I WANT TO BE HEARD.
SO EVEN THOUGH WE ARE EVEN THOUGH THERE WILL BE A CHANGE
TODAY WHETHER WE OVERRIDE THE MAYOR OR WHETHER WE SET IN THE
MOTION A CODE OR ORDINANCE, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS IS
THE ONLY TIME WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSIONS.
ALL I WANTED TO BE WAS HEARD.
WE HAVE OPTIONS.
WE ARE THE LEGISLATIVE BODY OF THIS CITY.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL -- COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:25:09AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAVE TO ASK AND THIS MAY SOUND
DISRESPECTFUL AND THE TEXT MESSAGES AND BEHIND THE SCENES
SHENANIGANS.
I HAVE TO ASK DID THE MAYOR OR STAFF ASK YOU TO THROW THE
MONKEY WRENCH INTO THE ENGINE TODAY OR COACH YOU ON SAYING
IT, BECAUSE THESE ARE THE KIND OF SHENANIGANS THEY HAVE BEEN
PULLING FOR TWO YEARS THAT MISS ZELMAN IS NOT AWARE OF.
SHE TALKED OF THE LEGAL PROCESS BUT PROBABLY NOT AWARE OF
THE DIRTY POLITICS GONE BEHIND THE SCENES.
WHILE I STILL HAVE THE FLOOR, THE CLEAVE OF STAFF WILL
CONFIRM I TOLD THE MAYOR DIRECTLY.
YOUR STAFF WHO IS PAID FOR THE CITY AND REPRESENTATIVES OF
THE CITY, IF THEY ARE PUSHING NEGATIVE MESSAGE AND NEGATIVE
STORIES EVER CITY COUNCIL TO STIR UP FIGHT OF CITY
COUNCILMEMBERS.
NOT ONLY DESPICABLE AND UNETHICAL.
PLEASE TELL THEM TO STOP.
IF MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE WAS DOING THE SAME THING, I WOULD
FIRE HER.
BUT THIS MAYOR ALLOWS THESE PEOPLE, STAFF MEMBERS PAID BY
TAXPAYERS THAT WE APPROVE TO ATTACK CITY COUNCIL AND THE
PUBLIC.
IT IS DESPICABLE.
WE NEED TO END IT.
THE FIGHTING NEEDS TO END.
THE PUBLIC WANTS PEACE.
IF SHE PUT UP ANOTHER CITY COUNCIL MEMBER TO ATTACK US AND
THROW A WRENCH IN HERE, IT IS REALLY TERRIBLE.
11:26:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:26:29AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
LET ME CLEAR UP ONE THING.
IT WAS SAID THAT THE MAYOR MET WITH ALL COUNCILMEMBERS.
I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH THAT.
I HAD AN APPOINTMENT AND MEET WITH HER 8 A.M. ON FRIDAY.
I COULD NOT KEEP THAT APPOINTMENT.
I SAID MEET AT 8:00.
I CAME HERE QUARTER TO 7:00.
CAME BACK DOWN.
I WAITED TO 8:23.
AND I LEFT BECAUSE I HAVE TO BE IN OLDSMAR BY 9:00.
SO I NEVER MET WITH THE MAYOR.
SO I WANT TO CLEAR -- MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE MAYOR AND I
NEVER MET, SAT DOWN AND HAVE A DEBATE THAT MR. CARLSON SAID
HE DID.
LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT ME.
I DON'T BELIEVE THE WAY I WAS RAISED THAT I DO THINGS FOR
MYSELF.
I DO AND WHEN I VOTE, IT IS NOT FOR ME, NOT FOR THE BENEFIT
OF ME, BUT WHAT I THINK BEST FOR THE.PUBLIC.
IF WE WANT TO MAKE CHANGES, WE SHOULD MAKE CHANGES AND LET
THE PUBLIC VOTE ON IT BY A K-MARTER CHANGE.
LET THEM VOTE WHAT KIND OF GOVERNMENT.
STRONG FORM OF GOVERNMENT OR NOT.
THE PROBLEM HERE IS LACK OF COMMUNICATION AND LACK OF
UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU GET ELECTED FOR, LEGISLATIVE AND
MAYORAL.
THAT'S IT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:27:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILMAN
CARLSON, NO.
AND IF YOU WISH TO MAKE A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST FOR MY CELL
PHONE OR MY COMPUTERS, I BEG YOU, PLEASE DO IT.
PLEASE DO IT.
I AM NOT INSULTED BY THAT QUESTION.
IT IS A FAIR AND HONEST QUESTION.
BUT, AGAIN, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC RECORDS
REQUEST, I AM NOT AFRAID OF IT.
I HAVE BEEN SUBPOENAED BEFORE WITH OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE
HAPPENED EARLIER THIS IN COUNCIL.
SO, PLEASE.
11:28:27AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I ASSUME YOU ARE TELLING THE TRUTH.
11:28:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DON'T ASSUME, TAKE IT AS TRUTH.
11:28:33AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I AM GLAD YOU SAID THAT AND I HOPE THAT
DOESN'T HAPPEN BY THE ADMINISTRATION AGAIN.
11:28:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL.
DID -- CHIEF BENNETT.
11:28:45AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
GOOD MORNING -- YEAH, ACTUALLY GOOD MORNING.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
GOOD MORNING, PUBLIC.
JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
I THINK FROM OUR FREQUENT IN WATCHING THE FIRST READING,
SECOND READING, AND NOW HERE WE ARE AFTER THE MAYOR'S VETO
MEMO CAME IN BY PROCESS TO COUNCIL.
FIRST OF ALL, ON THE RECORD, THE MAYOR IS TRAVELING TRYING
TO BRING RESOURCES TO TAMPA FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO
TAMPA FROM D.C.
THAT'S WHERE SHE IS AT.
HER STAFF IS HERE REPRESENTING HER INCLUDING MYSELF, THE
CITY ATTORNEY FOR HER ROLE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND WE HAVE
EXECUTIVE STAFF MEMBERS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANY
OF THE ITEMIZED -- EITHER THE VETOES OR PROCESS SURROUNDING
SUPPORTING AND IMPLEMENTING ANY OF THE RECOMMENDED
ORDINANCES TO GO FORWARD TO THE PUBLIC.
SO AS FAR AS THE REQUEST FROM THE ADMINISTRATION, THERE HAS
BEEN SOME PHILOSOPHICAL TALK OVER SOME TIME NOW.
AND THEN WE ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ENGAGE COUNCIL BEFORE EACH
VOTE FOR ADMINISTRATION.
A REQUEST FROM COUNCIL TO HAVE A GLOBAL DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW
THE VETOES CAME ABOUT, AS FAR AS THE PROCESS GOES TO EXPLAIN
THE POSITION OF THE ADMINISTRATION AND THEN BEFORE EACH VOTE
ON EACH OF THE RECOMMENDED ORDINANCES THAT GO TO THE PUBLIC,
WE WOULD LIKE TO JUST GIVE FEEDBACK.
I DO FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I TRIED TO BE
AN ACTIVE LISTENER TO COUNCIL, THE PUBLIC AND, OF COURSE,
OUR STAFF FOR THREE AND A HALF YEARS AND TRY TO BRING ALL
THAT COLLABORATION TOGETHER.
AND THIS, AGAIN, IN A BIG CITY AS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID,
IT IS GETTING MORE DYNAMIC EVERY DAY AND OUR ACCOUNTABILITY
IS GETTING HIGHER EVERY DAY AND TAKES A LOT OF
ACCOUNTABILITY TO MAKE SURE WE WORK TOGETHER TO GET THINGS
DONE.
IF COUNCIL WILL INDULGE ME, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK FOR A FEW
MINUTES ABOUT -- I UNDERSTAND WE ARE TRYING TO HUSS TOLL A
VOTE, BUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HUSTLING IS FOR AN OUTCOME.
THE DIFFERENCE FOR PERSEVERANCE IS THE PROCESS.
I THINK WE ARE TRYING TO PERSEVERE AROUND A PROCESS.
I WOULD ASK THAT THE ADMINISTRATION BE ALLOWED TO GIVE THE
FEEDBACK THAT WE ONLY HAD VERY LIMITED ABILITY TO DO DURING
THIS PROCESS.
I THINK ONE TIME ONE COUNCILMEMBER ASKED ONE STAFF MEMBER TO
COME TO THE PODIUM TO GIVE FEEDBACK, OTHERWISE COUNCIL MADE
US UNDERSTAND THIS WAS THEIR PROCESS AND RESPECTED THE
JOURNEY.
AND NOW THAT THE VETO PACKAGE IS IN, I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE AN
OBLIGATION TO THE PUBLIC TO EXPLAIN WHY THAT WAS DONE AND
THE MAYOR IS EPITOME OF DEMOCK A SHOW WITH HER STAFF.
SHE LISTENS TO EVERY SINGLE ADMINISTRATOR AND DIRECTOR OF
OPERATING THEIR SPECIFIC DEPARTMENTS BEFORE SHE MAKES A
DECISION.
SO ALL OF THAT NEEDS TO BE CONVEYED TO THE PUBLIC, IN MY
HUMBLE OPINION.
THANK YOU.
11:31:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:31:46AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GOOD MORNING, CHIEF.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, YOU KNOW THE CONVERSATION WE HAD THERE
ON FRIDAY.
PLEASANT OR NOT, WE SAID WHAT WE NEED TO SAY.
TODAY YOU ARE REPRESENTING THE MAYOR -- YOU SAID THE MAYOR
IS OUT OF TOWN.
TRYING TO BRING MONEY TO THE CITY, WHICH IS GREAT.
THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE IS WHAT MR. CARLSON IS TALKING
ABOUT, WHY BRINGING CITY STAFF TO TALK TO COUNCIL ABOUT
CHARTER AMENDMENTS.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT PROCESS.
IF YOU ARE REPRESENTING THE MAYOR AND -- I HAVE AN ISSUE OF
DEPARTMENT HEADS AND OTHER CITY STAFF COMING BEFORE THE
COUNCIL FOR CHARTER AMENDMENTS.
THEY DON'T HAVE A FIGHT IN THE GAME ON THOSE THINGS.
THE MAYOR VETOED THEM HOWEVER SHE FELT TO VETO THEM.
MAY HAVE MET WITH YOU OR HER STAFF.
I HAVE AN ISSUE OF COMING TO SPEAK ON THE ISSUE.
I RESPECT THE PROCESS.
I THINK THE PROCESS.
IF YOU ARE HERE TO $TO REPRESENT THE MAYOR, WE WILL HEAR
FROM YOU.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS CAN
CHIME IN OR NOT.
I HAVE AN ISSUE FOR STAFF TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS.
11:32:48AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
CAN I APPLY TO EACH ONE, CHAIRMAN?
11:32:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
TO EACH COUNCILMEMBER.
11:32:54AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
IF I AM BEING ASKED A QUESTION, I WOULD LIKE
TO REPLY IN REALTIME.
11:33:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE.
11:33:03AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
STAFF NEEDS TO IMPLEMENT EVERYTHING THAT THE
COUNCIL ADOPTS.
AND THE IMPORTANT OF THAT IMPLEMENTATION.
I WILL BE ABLE TO GIVE EXAMPLES OF RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE
CHARTER HOW THEY WILL BE A CHALLENGE TO IMPLEMENT.
THAT IS WHERE STAFF COMES IN.
THEY NEED TO HEAR THAT IN REAL TIME AND WE RESPECT LISTENING
TO PUBLIC AND COUNCIL TO OPTIMIZE OUR IMPLEMENTATION TO DO
IT THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE.
HOWEVER THIS ENDS UP, WITH HE TO IMPLEMENT.
ALL 4800 EMPLOYEES HAVE TO LIVE AND BREATHE THAT
IMPLEMENTATION.
SO IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT THEY HEAR THINGS IN THAT GREAT
DETAIL SO MAKE SURE WE SERVE THE COMMUNITY THE WAY WE
COLLECTIVELY WORK TOGETHER.
11:33:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:33:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM GOING TO SAY THAT I DON'T NECESSARILY
THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE BECAUSE YOU HAD FOUR OTHER CHANCES
TO DO SO.
AND -- I MEAN, YOU HAD FOUR CHANCES.
AND YOU CAN TALK TO US ANY TIME.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME HEARING OF THIS.
SO I AM NOT OKAY WITH IT.
YOU COULD HAVE COME TO US.
I MEAN, YOU ARE JUST -- AT THIS POINT, WE ARE JUST TRYING TO
DRAG IT OUT.
AND AFTER WE AGREE OR DISAGREE TO PUT THESE ON THE BALLOT.
I THINK STAFF IS WELCOMED TO GO TO THE PUBLIC, BUT THE MAYOR
HAD AN OPPORTUNITY DURING HER LETTER -- AND SHE DIDN'T -- AT
LEAST SHE DIDN'T CONTACT ME PERSONALLY TO LET ME KNOW ABOUT
IT.
WE SAT DOWN FOR A MEETING.
SHE DIDN'T TELL ME THE PARTICULARS FOR EACH ONE.
WE HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY.
SHE DIDN'T -- AT ALL DIDN'T TELL ME THERE MIGHT BE SOME
PROBLEMS WITH PUTTING THESE -- IMPLEMENTING THEM.
AND I DON'T SEE HOW IMPLEMENTING THE FACT THAT THE CITY
COUNCIL HAS TERM LIMITS IS A PROBLEM.
THAT IS NOT GOING TO AFFECT YOU ALL.
SO I AM SORRY, BUT, I MEAN, I DON'T SEE A NEED.
AT THIS POINT, WE ARE HERE TO OVERRIDE VETOES.
11:34:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:34:58AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU OFTEN GET UP HERE AND TALK TO US
INDIVIDUALLY AND TALK ABOUT HOW YOU ARE THE PEACEMAKER.
YOU ARE THE GO OF EVERYTHING.
AND YOUR CONSENSUS BUILDING EXPERIENCE, YOU THINK IT BUILDS
TRUST FOR THE ELECTED BODY, LEGISLATIVE BODY FOR THE CITY OF
TAMPA TO LEARN OF THE MAYOR'S VETO THROUGH GOOGLE ALERT OR
-- OR THROUGH READING THE OP-ED DIRECTLY.
DO YOU THINK THAT IS A RESPECTFUL WAY TO BUILD TRUST?
11:35:31AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
SO I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A TIMING
CONTINUUM, REALLY THE ONLY WAY POSSIBLE.
THE VETO COULD HAVE BEEN DONE ALL THE WAY TO TODAY TILL
NOON.
11:35:42AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHY WOULD YOU SEND A MEMO THE NIGHT BEFORE.
IT OBVIOUSLY -- THIS IS WHAT I SAID.
THE ADMINISTRATION LOOKS TO THE POLITICAL LENS RATHER THAN
LOOKING AT BUILDING TRUST OR LOOKING AT GOOD POLICY.
SOMEBODY IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE I CAN GUARANTEE SAID, WE HAVE
TO BLINDSIDE THEM OTHERWISE THEY WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO
RESPOND WITH AN OP-ED OR GUEST EDITORIAL.
THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED.
IF BUILDING TRUST, SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE CALLED US -- WHEN I
MET WITH THE MAYOR AND YOU WILL VERIFY IT.
I SAID I THINK YOU SHOULD MEET WITH EVERY CITY COUNCILMEMBER
EVERY MONTH AND WHEN YOU DISAGREE ABOUT SOMETHING, YOU NOT
ONLY CALL THE VOTES, CALL THE PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU
AND SAY YOU AND I WILL DISAGREE AND CAN YOU DO IT CIVIL.
INSTEAD ATTACKS.
DO YOU THINK IT IS RIGHT AND GOOD USES FOR THE MAYOR STAFF
TO CONSTANTLY ATTACK CITY COUNCILMEMBERS WHO DISAGREE WITH
THEM?
11:36:43AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I WILL ANSWER THAT FIRST.
THE MAYOR AS I SAID AGREED WITH YOU IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO
DO THAT AND SHE HAS HELD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT.
THAT IS THE FIRST ANSWER.
THE SECOND ANSWER TO THE FIRST QUESTION WAS THAT IF YOU LOOK
AT THE CONTINUUM, TWO WEEKS AGO, COUNCIL VOTED TO PUT THESE
WHERE THEY ARE NOW.
THE MAYOR RESPECTED THAT PROCESS.
WE HAVE ALWAYS ENCOURAGED TO OUR STAFF TO START WITH "HELP
ME UNDERSTAND."
THE MAYOR DID THAT INVITING EVERYBODY INTO HER OFFICE
QUESTION FOR MY EXPERIENCE IN THREE AND A HALF YEARS, EVERY
INVITATION HAS COME FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE TO ME WITH
ANYBODY FOR ANY REASON.
THEY ALL GERMINATED FOR THAT.
BUT HER GOAL WAS TO HELP HER UNDERSTAND BEHIND EACH ONE OF
YOUR INTENTIONS ON A HUGE RESPONSIBILITY TO CHANGE THE CITY
CHARTER TO MAKE SURE THAT SHE UNDERSTANDS BEFORE SHE PUTS
ANY DECISION TOGETHER SHE HEARD FROM EACH ONE OF YOU
INDIVIDUALLY.
I SAT IN EVERY ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS AND I NEVER HEARD HER
ONCE TRYING TO CHANGE SOMEONE'S OPINION BUT ONLY UNDERSTAND
WHERE THIS WAS COMING FROM.
THAT WAS REALLY THE GOAL OF IT.
AGAIN, AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE IDEAS, EXPRESS DIFFERENCES,
CHALLENGE EACH OTHER.
THAT IS ALL GOOD WORK.
THAT IS REALLY GOING TO BE PART -- IF I CAN GET TO DO THAT
PRESENTATION, PART OF THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING
CELEBRATING HOW MUCH GREAT WE DID OVER THE LAST THREE AND A
HALF YEARS WHEN THREE STATISTICALLY VALID SURVEYS DONE IN
THE CITY THAT SAY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR AND THE PUBLIC HAVE
A 93% APPROVAL RATING THREE YEARS IN A ROW COMPARED TO THE
NATIONAL AVERAGE.
AN AMAZING JOB.
THE COUNCIL SHOULD BE HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
THE ADMINISTRATION SHOULD BE HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
CELEBRATE THE WORK WE HAVE DONE TOGETHER.
WE HAVE TAKEN MANY THINGS FROM COUNCIL AND BROUGHT THEM BACK
AT THE REQUEST OF COUNCIL TO REFINE AND IMPROVE THE
OUTCOMES.
THE LAST THING I WILL SAY AT THIS MOMENT IS THAT ALREADY SO
MANY WAYS TO MAKE CHANGE.
YOU KNOW I RAISED FOUR CHILDREN AND COACHED HUNDREDS OF KIDS
IN YOUTH SPORTS LIKE COUNCILMAN GUDES HAS, YOU CHANGE
BEHAVIOR AT THE LOWEST DENOMINATOR POSSIBLE UNTIL IT DOESN'T
WORK.
AND A COMPLETE LIST OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE ON THESE FIVE
AMENDMENTS THAT DON'T REQUIRE A CHARTER CHANGE.
AND THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE -- THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE WHEN
YOU CHANGE THINGS ITERATIVELY OPPOSED TO GOING TO THE
HIGHEST LEVEL.
11:39:11AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS OBVIOUSLY IS THE LATEST TACTIC THAT THE
ADMINISTRATION IS USING AND DESPITE WHAT MISS ZELMAN SAID, A
LOT OF POLITICAL TACTICS USED AGAINST US.
ONE DAY 20 POLICE OFFICERS IN THE AUDIENCE PAID FOR
TAXPAYERS FOR FOUR OR FIVE HOURS TO INTIMIDATE US.
AND THE ADMINISTRATION -- REMEMBER THE TIME THAT THE
ADMINISTRATION BROUGHT PEOPLE FROM EAST TAMPA TO SAY THEY
WERE IN FAVOR OF RENTING WHILE BLACK AND GAVE THEM RIDES
BACK AND FORTH.
THESE ARE DIRTY TACTICS THAT HAVE BEEN USED.
WE SHOULD NOT WASTE THE TIME OF THE MEMBERS OF PUBLIC AND
WASTE OUR TIME.
THE NEW EXCUSE, OH, WELL, YOU DIDN'T ASK ENOUGH STAFF
MEMBERS TO COME UP AND GIVE THEIR OPINION.
I WILL SAY IN RESPONSE, THE ADMINISTRATION HAS A CHANCE TO
DO AN ADMINISTRATION UPDATE AND THE LAST FEW WEEKS, IS IT
NOT DO AN UPDATE.
ADMINISTRATION HAS AN OPINION.
THEY COULD HAVE CALLED US.
AND THE ADMINISTRATION -- I THINK WE NEED TO CALL THE
QUESTION AND VOTE ON THIS.
11:40:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND
[APPLAUSE]
11:40:16AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
ONE FINAL THOUGHT AND I WILL RETURN IT BACK
TO THE CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL IS THAT YOU LEARN AS YOU GO.
EVERYTHING IS ITERATIVE.
WHEN YOUR MAYOR GOT THE FEEDBACK PUT THE VETO PACKAGE
TOGETHER TO BRING IT TO COUNCIL.
A ITERATIVE PROCESS OF LISTENING TO THE ENTIRE JOURNEY AND
LISTENING TO EACH OF YOU AND THE.PUBLIC TO MAKE THAT
DECISION TO VETO EACH ONE OF THESE NOW EACH OF THEM HAS A
PRESCRIPTIVE REASON FOR THAT THAT I AM HOPING WE CAN COME
UP.
POINT IN TIME WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT IS AFTER THE LAST
MEETING WITH THE LAST COUNCIL MEMBER ON THIS TUESDAY.
SO THAT IS THE TIMELINE THAT IS NOT AN END AROUND OR TRICK.
11:41:00AM >>BILL CARLSON:
20 MORE SECONDS.
11:41:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
PROCEED WITH THE VOTING.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR.
EXCUSE ME, ANY FURTHER COMMENT ON THAT MOTION?
11:41:19AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, I DO HAVE -- THE QUESTION IS -- THE
QUESTION IS WHETHER TO CALL THE QUESTION.
THAT WAS THE MOTION.
TO CALL THE QUESTION.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:41:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:41:37AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE QUESTION IS WHAT, TO END THE DEBATE.
BEAR WITH ME TO MAKE SURE THAT PROCESS GOES AS ACCORDINGLY
PER THE CHARTER.
IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING WHAT COUNCIL WAS GOING TO DO TAKE
EACH ORDINANCE INDIVIDUALLY AND ALLOW FOR A PRESENTATION AND
ALLOW FOR THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK AS PART OF WHAT THE CHARTER
REFERS TO AS RECONSIDERATION.
THAT WAS THE WAY IT WAS MEANT TO BE.
NOW BY CALLING THE QUESTION -- THE QUESTION IS, WHAT IS ON
THE FLOOR?
THERE IS NO OTHER MOTION OR ACTION ON THE FLOOR.
11:42:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR -- CORRECT ME IF I'M
WRONG, IS TO END THE DISCUSSION AND GO FOR A VOTE ON THESE
-- ON OVERRIDING THESE.
IS THAT YOUR MOTION.
11:42:20AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES, WHICH WILL INCLUDE PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:42:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT IS WHAT I PERCEIVE.
AND THAT'S WHY I AM ASKING FOR A CALL ON THIS MOTION MADE BY
COUNCILMAN CARLSON TO END THE DEBATE.
SECONDED BY SOUNDS HURTAK.
ANY DISCUSSION?
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:42:38AM >>LUIS VIERA:
FUNNY BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION
FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS INCLUDING TO END COUNCIL SPEAKING ON
IT, AS WELL AS ADMINISTRATION, BUT WHAT I WAS GOING TO
SUGGEST IS, THAT MR. BENNETT WANTED TO HAVE -- I THINK THREE
MINUTES FOR EACH ONE.
WHY DON'T WE CALL THE QUESTION.
TWO MINUTES FOR HIM.
AND WE VOTE.
THAT'S IT.
NO MORE COUNCIL DISCUSSION.
JUST TO BE REASONABLE AND JUST GO FORWARD AND VOTE.
I ALREADY STATED BY THE WAY HOW I AM GOING TO VOTE.
BUT THIS IS ABOUT BEING REASONABLE.
LET'S DO THAT.
THAT IS WHAT I WAS GOING TO MOTION FOR.
SO IT IS ABOUT 90% OF WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID WITH A
LITTLE SOMETHING EXTRA.
THANK YOU.
11:43:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:43:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I LIKE THAT BUT I WANT TO AMEND THAT TO SAY
EVERYONE GETS ONE MINUTE.
PUBLIC AND STAFF.
YEAH.
DOES THAT WORK.
11:43:28AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT.
11:43:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I ACCEPT MY SECOND.
11:43:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY, MR. SHELBY, MAKE
IT BRIEF.
11:43:42AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO.
LET'S FIND OUT WHAT THE PLEASURE.
11:43:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSED.
11:43:50AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NOW, MR. CHAIRMAN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT
EACH ITEM WILL BE TAKEN UP, EACH ORDINANCE WILL BE TAKEN UP
INDIVIDUALLY.
IS THAT CORRECT?
11:43:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT WAS THE PLAN.
SO WE ARE GOING TO HEAR FROME 2020 BE 8 CHAPTER 22023-1.
11:44:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL READ IT.
THIS IS AN -- AND I AM SAYING WE ARE -- WE ARE MOVING THE
ORDINANCE, CORRECT, MR. SHELBY?
I AM ABOUT TO READ -- WE ARE OVERRIDING THE MAYOR'S VETO IN
AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE GOVERNMENT OF THE CITY OF
TAMPA, FLORIDA, SUBMITTING TO THE ELECTORS OF THE CITY A
PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE REVISED CHARTER OF THE CITY OF
TAMPA OF 1975 TO AMENDS 9.01 TOO CLARIFY THAT STANDING
BOARDS WILL BE CREATED BY CITY COUNCIL BY ORDINANCE WITHOUT
REQUIRING THE MAYOR'S RECOMMENDATION PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
11:44:54AM >> SECOND.
11:44:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ANY DISCUSSION?
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:45:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, I AM GOING TO SUPPORT OVERRIDING
THIS BECAUSE IN 2015, THE EVERYBODY CAME UP WITH THE
CREATION OF THE CRB.
AND WHO HAD THE AUTHORITY TO CREATE BOARDS.
AND BACK THEN, IT WAS A DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE
ADMINISTRATION AND THE COUNCIL WHO HAD THE AUTHORITY.
I ALWAYS BELIEVED SINCE 2015 THAT CITY COUNCIL HAD THE
AUTHORITY TO CREATE BOARDS.
AND THIS CAME INTO WHAT WE VOTED ON CREATING THE CRB.
I THINK THIS IS A NO BRAINER.
I SEE THE MAYOR'S REBUTTAL AND SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT SHE HAD
AGAINST THIS REGARDING FINANCIAL AND LOGISTICAL IMPACT ON
THE CITY.
BUT THE CITY COUNCIL WE WILL VOTE IN THE BUDGET TO ALLOCATE
FUNDS TO SUPPORT THOSE BOARDS OR NOT SUPPORT THOSE BOARDS.
A PROCESS TO ACT RESPONSIBLY.
I BELIEVE WHAT I BELIEVED IN 2018 WHEN WE CREATED THE BOARD.
THAT IS MY SECOND AND MY EXPLANATION AS TO WHY.
11:45:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:46:01AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I HAVE A NO BRAINER IF YOU WANT TO CALL
IT.
INCUMBENT ON US TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS.
IN 2015, THE PROCESS WAS WHAT?
A BOARD.
PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT WE PUT IN BETWEEN THE
ADMINISTRATION AND HAD LEGISLATIVE BODY, THE CITY COUNCIL.
THAT BOARD MET FOR MANY, MANY MONTHS.
BROUGHT TO THE CITY COUNCILS WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS WERE
TO CHANGE THE CHARTER.
THAT WAS PASSED BY THE CITY COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY.
THEREFORE THIS IS A FLAWED PROCESS FROM A NO BRAINER.
THAT IS WHAT IT IS CALLED.
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR CALLING ME A NO BRAINER AND AT
LEAST I HAVE A NAME AND I KNOW WHO I AM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:46:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:46:46AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I SAID THIS IN EVERY DISCUSSION WE HAD.
THE PROCESS SINCE 1974 WHEN THE CHARTER WAS MADE THAT THE
CITY COUNCIL CAN VOTE TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT TO
ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO VOTE ON IT.
THE NEW PROCESS THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE IN 2015 WAS NOT
WRITTEN ABOUT IN THE CHARTER AND SOMETHING THAT THE CITY
COUNCIL WHICH THREE MEMBERS WHO ARE HERE PUT TOGETHER A
CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
FOUR ON HERE PLUS TWO OTHER ATTORNEYS IN THE ROOM ON THAT
CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
WE HAPPEN TO HAVE SPECIALIZED EXPERTISE BECAUSE OF THAT AND
THE BENEFIT OF HAVING WORKED IN THE CITY.
AND WE HAD NOT JUST THE FORMAL DISCUSSIONS BUT MONTHS AND
MONTHS AND MONTHS OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THESE TOPICS AND MORE
THAT WERE ALL SHOT DOWN.
THE -- THE CHARTER -- THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION ADDED A
-- A PROPOSAL TO THE PUBLIC TO VOTE TO ADD THE CHARTER
REVIEW COMMISSION.
AND IT WAS ADDED.
AND SO WE ARE FOLLOWING THE ORIGINAL PROCESS, NOT THE -- NOT
THE NEW PROCESS, BUT NOT THAT THE PROCESS WASN'T FOLLOWED,
BUT JUST A DIFFERENT PROCESS.
11:47:51AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.
11:47:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ONE MINUTE.
11:47:56AM >> YOU ARE CONFUSING TWO ISSUES.
THE ISSUE IN 2015 WAS THE CREATION OF THE CITIZEN REVIEW
BOARD FOR THE POLICE.
AND WASN'T A QUESTION WHETHER THE MAYOR VERSUS THE COUNCIL
COULD CREATE A BOARD, WHETHER THE COUNCIL HAD THE AUTHORITY
TO CREATE A BOARD THAT WOULD ARGUABLY REGULATE THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT WHICH THE THEN MAYOR ARGUED WAS CLEARLY WITHIN
HIS PER VIEW, SO THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE BOARD THAT WAS
THE CONTROVERSY THEN.
NOT THE QUESTION OF THE CREATION OF THE BOARD.
AND SOME OF YOU ARE CONFUSING THAT WITH THE CREATION OF THE
CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WHICH WAS A SEPARATE ISSUE.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
11:48:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CHIEF, YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE.
11:48:36AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I DO.
SO I THINK WHAT IS IMPORTANT ABOUT OUR MINUTE, IF YOU DON'T
MIND BRINGING UP THE ELMO.
11:48:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IT'S THERE.
11:48:49AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
THANK YOU.
I KNOW THE.PUBLIC SAW THE NEWS BUT MAY NOT READ THE MEMO OF
THE MAYOR IN DETAIL.
THIS IS LIFTED FROM THE -- HIGHLIGHTED FOR THE SAKE OF TIME
PAUSE I KNEW COUNCIL WILL BE INTERESTED IN THE AGENDA
TIMING.
SIGNIFICANT AND FINANCIAL LOGISTICAL IMPACT.
AGAIN, THE STAFF WANTED TO HELP COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC
UNDERSTAND THAT THESE THINGS COST TIME, MONEY, RESOURCES.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE INCLUDED IN SUPPORTING
THE DECISION, WHICH IS WHY THE BALANCE OF POWER EXISTED FROM
THE BEGINNING.
IF THE MAYOR CREATES A BOARD, COUNCIL HAS A APPROVE.
IF COUNCIL CREATES A BOARD, THE MAYOR APPROVES TO WEIGH IN
ON SUPPORTING THAT BOARD.
THE BUDGET ADVISORY COUNCIL IS AN EXAMPLE HOW CHALLENGING IT
IS TO GET IT DONE.
NOT TO MENTION, WE SHOULD SPENT TIME TO SURVEY OUR BOARD
MEMBERS TO UNDERSTAND THEIR CHALLENGES OF BEING A BOARD
MEMBER.
CHECKS AND BALANCES.
I MENTIONED INCONSISTENT WITH ANOTHER SECTION OF THE CHARTER
AND AMENDED ALREADY IN 2019.
SO THANK YOU.
11:49:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. BENNETT.
ANYONE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS WHO WISHES TO COMMENT TO THIS
MOTION?
YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE.
11:50:03AM >> INTERESTING HOW THE CHANGE THE TIMING OF PEOPLE BUT
IRRESPECTIVE OF THAT.
WHAT WE ARE SEEING IN THE LAST TWO AND A HALF HOURS IS A
DEMONSTRATION OF A CHILD OR MINOR AND YOU DO SOMETHING WRONG
AND YOU ARE APPREHENSIVE OF GOING HOME OR FACING YOUR
PARENTS AND YOU DELAY BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOU ARE IN TROUBLE OR
YOU HAVE UNPROTECTED SEX AND YOU FEEL A BURNING DOWN THERE
AND YOU DELAY GOING TO THE DOCTOR BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOU ARE
IN TROUBLE.
YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO TELL YOU YOU HAVE HERPES OR AIDS AND
SOMETHING DEVASTATING.
WHAT ALL OF YOU ARE DOING.
THE MAYOR'S STAFF AND THE CITY COUNCIL.
A LOT OF DELAYS TO DO A STRAIGHT UP AND DOWN VOTE.
WHY YOU ARE ONCE AGAIN DEFENDING TAXPAYERS TIME AND YOUR
TIME UNNECESSARILY.
WHAT HAPPENED HERE IS THE MAYOR TRYING FOR A POLYGRAPH AND
YOU GUYS HAVE TO BLOCK IT.
PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
ALL OF THE DISCUSSION PROBABLY ISN'T NECESSARY.
11:51:02AM >> GOOFED MORNING, MY NAME IS STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I THINK CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE ABLE TO CREATE ITS OWN
COMMITTEE.
I AM ON A COMMITTEE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A MAYORAL CANDIDATE.
AND I THINK IT WORKS JUST FINE.
SO I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE TO HAVE PERMISSION
TO CREATE A COMMITTEE.
WE HAVE STAFF WHO CREATES COMMITTEES.
SO WHY CAN'T CITY COUNCIL DO IT WITHOUT SOMEBODY HOLDING
THEIR HAND.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT IN THE -- IN THE QUASHED
PERIOD THAT CITY COUNCIL FOR TWO YEARS THIS MORNING, THE
MAYOR RELEASED THIS -- HER VETOES 24 HOURS AGO TO THE
PUBLIC.
THAT IS WHY THIS ROOM IS NOT PACKED OUT.
WE MET WITH TWO CANDIDATES YESTERDAY THAT DIDN'T EVEN KNOW
ABOUT IT WHEN WE TALKED TO THEM.
SO NOBODY KNOWS OR THEY WOULD BE HERE.
THANK YOU.
11:51:56AM >> RICK PFEIFFER, EAST HANNA.
YES, I AM RUNNING FOR ONE OF THE SEATS UP HERE.
I HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO THIS.
AND I THINK -- I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT I HAVE BEEN TRYING
TO READ THE CHARTER BECAUSE IF I WANT TO RUN FOR SOMETHING,
I NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE.
IT SEEMS LIKE THE CHANGES BEING PROPOSED ARE RELATIVELY
SIMPLE.
I SEE -- I HEAR A LOT OF DRAMA OVER STRONG MAYOR IN HERE AND
YOU ARE WEAKENING IT.
I AM LOOKING AT THIS SAYING THESE ARE MINOR TWEAKS.
I THINK IF WE TRULY ACTUALLY BELIEVE IN DEMOCRACY, WE WILL
LET THE PEOPLE VOTE ON WHAT THEIR GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE IS
LIKE.
I DON'T THINK ANYTHING THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED THAT YOU GUYS
VOTED BY VETO-PROOF MAJORITIES.
BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN WATCHING.
I DON'T THINK ANY OF THEM ARE UNREASONABLE.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE ONLY GOING TO HAVE ONE MINUTE FOR
EVERYTHING.
SO THAT'S WHY I DID THIS.
11:52:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
ANYBODY ELSE IN CHAMBERS WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS.
11:53:01AM >> 30 SECONDS.
BASED ON WHAT I AM HEARING AND KNOW LEGALITIES GO, I
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT IF ANY INFORMATION THAT THE CITY
WAS GOING TO PRESENT THAT BE RECEIVED AND FILED IN THE
RECORD WHETHER HE PRESENTS IT OR NOT SO THAT I CAN HAVE A
CHANCE TO LOOK AT WHAT HE WAS GOING TO PRESENT.
SO IF HE HAS SOME DOCUMENTS.
AND I AM GOING TO SAY THIS FIVE TIMES THAT EACH OF THOSE
DOCUMENTS BE PUT IN THE RECORD BECAUSE I AM PROBABLY THE ONE
TO DO ANYTHING LEGAL OR OTHERWISE.
SO PLEASE HAVE WHAT HE HAS INTO THE RECORD.
IF HE PRESENTS IT OR NOT.
THAT IS MY REQUEST.
AND THAT WILL BE EACH TIME I COME UP JUST SO I HAVE A
WRITTEN RECORD OF WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO SAY PLUS WHAT
EVERYBODY ELSE IS SAYING.
AND I REQUEST THAT TO BE DONE.
11:53:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE ANY DOCUMENTS
TO BE PRESENTED FOR ALL FIVE OF THESE ORDINANCES AND
QUESTIONS.
11:53:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
11:53:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ANY DISCUSSION?
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
ANYBODY ELSE IN CHAMBERS?
11:54:10AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MAY I?
I HAVEN'T SPOKEN.
11:54:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:54:14AM >>LUIS VIERA:
REAL QUICK.
ONE MINUTE.
THE GENTLEMAN SAID THIS IS REASONABLE.
MR. SHELBY, QUICK QUESTION, WHEN A COUNCIL CREATES A BOARD
UNDER THIS, THE MAYOR HAS A CHANCE TO VETO IT, CORRECT?
11:54:26AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF CREATED BE ORDINANCE OBVIOUSLY FOR THE
CHARTER WITH THE PROCESS YOU ARE GOING THROUGH NOW, IT WILL
HAVE TO BE PRESENTED TO THE MAYOR FOR EITHER HER SIGNATURE
OR HER REJECTION IN RETURNING IT TO VETO.
THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS, WHEN YOU CREATE AN ORDINANCE
JUST AS YOU DID WITH THE CRB, IT WAS CREATED AND SENT TO THE
MAYOR FOR THE MAYOR'S SIGNATURE.
11:54:49AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
NOTHING FURTHER.
THANK YOU.
11:54:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
11:54:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES TO OVERRIDE, CORRECT?
11:55:06AM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA VOTING NO.
11:55:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CAN WE TAKE A TWO-MINUTE BREAK?
11:55:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MAKE THE MOTION.
STATE THE MOTION TO TAKE A TWO-MINUTE BREAK.
11:55:23AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I JUST NEED TO USE THE REST ROOM.
30 SECONDS.
11:55:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
[MEETING IN RECESS]

[TAMPA CITY COUNCIL IN RECESS]
12:04:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
12:04:05PM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
12:04:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
12:04:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
12:04:09PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
12:04:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
(NO AUDIBLE RESPONSE)
12:04:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE.
12:04:16PM >>CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
12:04:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE RECORD JUST SO WE
ARE ALL CLEAR, WE ARE BACK IN SESSION, BACK ON THE RECORD,
AT 12:05.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT COUNCIL'S PLEASURE IS MORE MOVING
FORWARD.
12:04:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THE CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL IS THAT WE WILL
GET THROUGH THESE CHARTER AMENDMENTS, OVERRIDING THE MAYOR
OR NOT, BEFORE WE TWO TO LUNCH.

SO THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A HARD STOP.
IF IT TAKES PAST 12:30 OR 1:00 THAT'S FINE.
12:04:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND THAT'S BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT?
12:04:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT'S CORRECT.
12:04:52PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU, SIR.
12:04:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE TO OVERRIDE THE MAYOR'S VETO OF AN
ORDINANCE RELATING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023-2, ORDINANCE
RELATING TO THE GOVERNMENT OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA
SUBMITTING TO THE ELECTORS OF THE CITY A PROPOSED AMENDMENT
TO THE REVISED CHARTER OF THE CITY OF TAMPA OF 1975 AS
AMENDED TO CLARIFY THAT THE MAYOR'S NOMINATIONS FOR HEADS OF
DEPARTMENT AND OTHER CITY EMPLOYEES AS SET OUT IN SECTION
6.03 MUST BE APPROVED BY FOUR VOTES OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND
TO PROVIDE FOR INTERIM APPOINTMENT OF EXISTING CITY
EMPLOYEES BY THE MAYOR FOR A MAXIMUM OF 180 DAYS PROVIDING
AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
12:05:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
12:05:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY, I'M LOOKING AT THIS ONE REGARDING
THE APPOINTMENTS.
I WOULD GET TWO RECENT EVENTS.
FIRST, THE POLICE CHIEF SITUATION, WHICH I THINK SPURRED
THIS ENTIRE DISCUSSION, AND SECOND, WHEN WE APPOINTED OR
SELECTED A CRA DIRECTOR, THAT DID NOT TAKE THE JOB.

THOSE ARE BOTH VERY PUBLIC.
THE CRA DIRECTOR WAS A PUBLIC DISCUSSION AND MEET THE PEOPLE
AND EVERYTHING AND IT WAS MADE KNOWN TO EXISTING OR PREVIOUS
EMPLOYER THAT THAT PERSON HAD -- TO LEAVE.
THAT PERSON WAS SELECTED BUT DID NOT TAKE THE JOB.
SO THAT WAS THAT.
IT WAS A VERY PUBLIC PROCESS.
THE PERSON DID NOT TAKE THE JOB.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SITUATION IS NOW.
THAT'S ONE THING.
THE SECOND THING IS, AND WHAT HAPPENED IN DECEMBER, WE
APPROVED A POLICE CHIEF THAT WAS APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR,
WITHOUT CHOICE OF PICKING ONE PERSON OR ANOTHER.
THE MAYOR CHOSE THE PERSON.
WE VOTED THAT PERSON UP OR DOWN AND THAT MAYOR, IF WE HAD
VOTED THAT PERSON DOWN -- SORRY -- THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN IN
AN INTERIM POSITION AND STAYED THERE, WHATEVER.
AND I WILL WRAP IT UP QUICKLY AND I APOLOGIZE.
THE MAYOR HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY TO SUPERVISE, MANAGE AND
THE POWER TO REMOVE OR TERMINATE DEPARTMENT HEADS IN CITY
ADMINISTRATION.
THAT'S THE ADMINISTRATOR.
IN THE SITUATION WITH THE POLICE CHIEF I THINK THE MAYOR
ACTED SWIFTLY AFTER THE LETTER OF RESIGNATION AND THAT
PERSON WAS TERMINATED.

BECAUSE OF THAT, I THINK AS IT IS NOW, I THINK IT WORKS.
12:07:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS IS SAYING.
WHAT THIS IS SAYING IS THE THAT BASICALLY THE INTERIM
DEPARTMENT HEAD HAS TO BE A CITY EMPLOYEE.
THAT'S WHAT IT'S SAYING.
SO THAT WAS THE PROBLEM WITH THE POLICE CHIEF VOTE, AND I
WAS NOT ON THIS COUNCIL DURING THAT TIME.
I WAS A CITIZEN WHO WAS UPSET ABOUT THAT.
BUT BECAUSE I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE GOT -- AS A CITIZEN, WE
GOT ANY REAL INPUT THERE.
SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE MAYOR
APPOINTED SOMEONE FROM NOT IN THE CITY AS AN INTERIM
DIRECTOR, AND THEN JUST SAID, OH, BY THE WAY, WE ARE GOING
TO START CALLING HER THE POLICE CHIEF, NOT GIVING HER THE
INTERIM TITLE, WITH I WE ARE USING RIGHT I KNOW FOR INTERIM
CHIEF BERCAW AND WE ARE USING THAT TITLE.
AND THAT SHE JUST STARTED THAT VERY DAY WITHOUT APPROVAL
FROM COUNCIL.
BUT THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT IF WE DECIDED, NO, WE
DIDN'T WANT HER, SHE WOULD HAVE TO NOW THEN LEAVE THE
POSITION AND SHE HAD GONE THROUGH ALL THIS HR WHEN SHE
REALLY DIDN'T HAVE A RIGHT TO DO THAT.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS -- THIS IS CLOSING THAT LOOPHOLE
ABOUT INTERIM APPOINTMENTS.
12:08:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

12:08:30PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT'S, SAID BUT
I LOOK AT IN A NORMAL WAY, IN THE LIFE THAT I LIVE IS THAT
YOU CERTAINLY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR CHILDREN, BUT YOU ARE
NOT GOING TO GO TO JAIL FOR SOMETHING THAT THE CHILDREN DO,
MEANING THAT NO MATTER WHO THE MAYOR IS, THAT MAYOR MAKES AN
APPOINTMENT OF SOMEONE, THAT MAYOR IS NOW RESPONSIBLE FOR
WHAT THAT PERSON DOES SOMEWHERE ELSE, NOT DISREGARDING THIS
POSITION THAT HE OR SHE HAS IN THE CITY. IN THIS CASE, THE
MAYOR IS NOT THE ONE THAT SHOWED THE BADGE, THE MAYOR IS NOT
THE ONE THAT SPOKE OUT, IT WAS THE APPOINTEE THAT SPOKE THAT
AND THAT APPOINTMENT WAS SWIFTLY REMOVED.
SO THE POINT IS IT WAS THE APPOINTEE THAT WAS CHARGED, AND
THE APPOINTEE IS NO LONGER HERE.
THAT'S ALL.
12:09:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:09:25PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, AND TO ALL OF THESE AND ALL THE ONES
WE TALKED ABOUT FOR THE IDEA OF TAKING AWAY POWER FROM THE
STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT CAME UP AND THAT'S NOT AT
ALL TRUE IN THIS CASE.
IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN TRUE THAT THE MAYOR NOMINATES SOMEBODY
AND CITY COUNCIL APPROVES.
WE CLARIFIED A LITTLE BIT IN THE LAST CHARTER CHANGES IN THE
USE OF THE WORD INTERIM, BUT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN TRUE THAT THE
MAYOR CANNOT APPOINT SOME DEPARTMENT HEAD WITHOUT CITY
COUNCIL APPROVAL.

WE ARE NOT CHANGING THAT.
WE ARE NOT ADDING THAT NOW.
THAT'S ALREADY BEEN TRUE FOR A LONG TIME.
IF CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T LIKE THE NOMINEE, WE HAVE ALWAYS
BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT.
ALL THIS DOES IS IT PREVENTS THE PROBLEM THAT SOME OF THE
STAFF MENTIONED, WHAT HAPPENS IF A MAYOR BRINGS IN SOMEBODY
FROM OUTSIDE, SAYING YOU ARE GOING TO GET THE JOB, DON'T
WORRY, I AM GOING TO GET YOU, AND THAT PERSON HAS GIVEN UM A
JOB IN ANOTHER PLACE AND RELOCATED THEIR FAMILY AND THEN
THEY COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AND CITY COUNCIL SAYS NO.
ALL THAT DOES, IT REALLY PROTECTS THE APPLICANT MORE THAN
ANYTHING.
IT DOESN'T TAKE POWER AWAY FROM THE MAYOR BECAUSE OTHERWISE
IT'S A STRONG ARM TACTIC LIKE WE EXPERIENCED IN DECEMBER.
WE NEED TO CLARIFY THIS SO WE DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS IN THE
FUTURE.
[BELL SOUNDS]
THANK YOU.
12:10:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CHIEF BENNETT.
12:10:41PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
AGAIN, I'M LISTING FROM THE LANGUAGE IN THE
MAYOR'S MEMO IN HER STEAD RIGHT NOW.
YOU KNOW, IT IS ABOUT THE PROCESS.
THIS IS CHANGING THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT BY COUNCIL
ESSENTIALLY POINTING A DEPARTMENT HEAD OR ADMINISTRATOR TO

REPORT THEN TO THE MAYOR AFTER THE FACT.
IT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON.
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT OVER
THE TIME WHEN I GOT HERE ABOUT IMPROVING THE PROCESS, IF
THERE IS A MISINTERPRETATION OF THE CURRENT CHARTER BY DOING
A RESOLUTION.
SO WE FEEL LIKE A RESOLUTION OF HOW WE ENGAGE THIS PROCESS,
UNTIL SUCH TIME WE NEED TO DO IT FURTHER IN A PROCESS WOULD
BE BENEFICIAL.
THIS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT CHANGES THE FORM OF
GOVERNMENT FOR THE CITY.
12:11:31PM >> I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ONE THING.
IT'S NOT ACCURATE TO SAY THE ONLY THING IT CHANGES IS THE
INTERIM APPOINTMENT.
THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION DISCUSSED AT LENGTH,
RECOMMENDED, THE VOTERS APPROVED, ADDING LANGUAGE TO 6.03
SAYING THAT IF THE MAYOR SUBMITTED A NAME, WAS VOTED DOWN,
SHE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO RESUBMIT THAT NAME.
NOW YOU ARE TAKING THAT AWAY.
SO THAT'S CHANGING SOMETHING THAT WAS JUST CHANGED.
I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
AND I ALSO CAN'T AGREE THAT CHANGING APPOINTMENT AND
CONFIRMATION TO NO, MA'AM KNEE AND POINTING IS NO CHANGE.
IF IT IS, WHY DO IT?
BUT THE FACT IS YOU ARE CHANGING IT.

YOU ARE PUTTING THE MAYOR IN THE POSITION OF BEING THE
NOMINATOR AND THE COUNCIL IN THE POSITION OF THE POSITION OF
POINTING DEPARTMENT HEADS RATHER THAN THE MAYOR DOING IT.
12:12:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:12:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HOW MANY TIMES CAN THE MAYOR RESUBMIT A
NAME?
IS THERE A LIMIT?
OR CAN IT JUST IN PERPETUITY FOREVER AND EVER, KEEP
RESUBMITTING AFTER BEING VOTED DOWN?
12:12:51PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
IN THE EVENT OF DISAPPROVAL BY THE CITY
COUNCIL OF ANY SAID APPOINTMENTS THE MAYOR WITHIN 90 DAYS
THEREAFTER SHALL SUBMIT OR RESUBMIT TO THE CITY COUNCIL THE
NAME OF THE APPOINTEE.
SO IN THEORY, THE MAYOR COULD RESUBMIT OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
THAT CLEARLY WAS NOT THE INTENT WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS AT
THE CHARTER REVIEW.
THE POINT WAS THAT SOMETIMES THE MAYOR, FOR INSTANCE WHEN A
NEW MAYOR COMES INTO OFFICE, HAS TO ACT QUICKLY, BRINGS
NAMES TO COUNCIL, THEY MAY NOT HAVE REALLY HAD AN
OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE PERSON,
HISTORICALLY THE MAYOR DIDN'T LOBBY THE COUNCIL IN ADVANCE
ON APPOINTMENTS, THAT WAS SOMETHING WE DISCUSSED AT CHARTER
REVIEW.
SO THE POINT IS, AGAIN, WE DISCUSSED THIS AT THE CHARTER
REVIEW COMMISSION, BUT THERE ARE GOING TO BE OCCASIONS WHERE

SOMEONE IS NOT CONFIRMED BY THE COUNCIL AND THEN THE MAYOR
MAY WANT TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS
MORE TIME TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT PERSON, TO INTERVIEW THAT
PERSON, WHATEVER, AND THIS WOULD GIVE THE MAYOR THE ABILITY
TO DO THAT.
[BELL SOUNDS]
12:14:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:14:08PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE HAD CHALLENGES WITH THIS FROM DAY ONE.
YOU RECALL I ASKED SEVERAL TIMES, SUPPOSE THE APPOINTEE BE
RECOGNIZED BY COUNCIL, BECAUSE COUNCIL WOULD WISH TO TALK TO
THAT APPOINTEE, AND WE STARTED TO DO THAT A LITTLE BIT AND
WE DROPPED OFF AND STARTED TO DO IT AGAIN.
SO I APPRECIATE THOSE EFFORTS.
BUT THIS IS CLEAR.
AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE HAVING A DISCUSSION ON
THIS WHEN WE ALL SIT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THESE CITIZENS,
AND THEY WERE ANGERED BY THIS.
AND IT IS A NOMINATION.
THE MAYOR IS NOMINATING SOMEONE.
AND THIS GIVES A CONFIRMATION, WHICH IS AN APPOINTMENT.
AND FROM THAT POINT THE MAYOR CAN DO WHATEVER HE OR SHE
WANTS TO DO WITH THAT APPOINTEE, OR HIRE OR FIRE, WHATEVER,
NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
BUT AT THE BEFORE PROCESS, AND THE SAME BODY, THIS BODY
NOMINEE COMES BEFORE US AND WE CAN'T VOTE ON IT?

[BELL SOUNDS]
THAT'S ASININE.
I THINK THE INTENT IS PERFECT.
12:15:24PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MS. ZELMAN, SORRY TO MAKE YOU GET UP AGAIN.
SORRY, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHEN IT WAS, SOMEBODY SAID
DECEMBER.
BUT WHEN CITY COUNCIL VOTED TO CONFIRM WHATEVER WORD YOU
WANT TO USE OF THE POLICE CHIEF, THE LAST POLICE CHIEF --
12:15:46PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
IN FEBRUARY OF LAST YEAR.
12:15:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
OKAY, FEBRUARY.
SORRY, MY MEMORY IS NOT THAT GREAT ON DATES.
BUT ANYWAY, IN THAT VOTE, I THINK IT WAS 4-2, BUT LET'S SAY
IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND, AND 4 VOTED AT THAT TIME HAD 4
VOTED AGAINST WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THE AMERICAN, THE
NOMINEE, WHATEVER, WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED BY THE CHARTER
AS IT WAS THEN?
12:16:11PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
THE MAYOR WOULD HAVE HAD THE ABILITY TO
RESUBMIT THAT NAME, OR SHE WOULD HAVE SUBMITTED ANOTHER
NAME.
12:16:18PM >>BILL CARLSON:
BUT THE FACT IS UNDER THE CHARTER AS IT IS
NOW, THE MAYOR CANNOT, WITHOUT ANY CHANGES IN THE CHARTER,
THE MAYOR CANNOT PUT SOMEBODY IN A POSITION WITHOUT CITY
COUNCIL APPROVAL.
IS THAT CORRECT?
12:16:29PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
CORRECT.

YOU HAVE TO CONFIRM HER APPOINTMENT.
12:16:32PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SO WE ARE NOT TAKING AWAY THE POWER
WHATEVER WE CALL IT OF THE MAYOR TO APPOINT PEOPLE.
WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD THE POWER TO REJECT.
DOES THAT GO BACK TO 74 OR JUST THE POWER TO SAY NO?
DOES THAT GO TO THE ORIGINAL CHARTER DO YOU KNOW?
12:16:46PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I DON'T KNOW OFFHAND.
12:16:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SO WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE BASIC NATURE.
IT'S A STRONG MAYOR -- BUT I AM JUST TALKING ABOUT ON THIS
POINT, BUT WHAT'S HAPPENED IS IT'S BEEN INTERPRETED THE
OTHER WAY.
SO THE NEXT THING WAS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE PUBLIC
REALLY WAS UPSET ABOUT IS WHEN THE POLICE CHIEF WAS
NOMINATED, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THE MAYOR SAID THIS IS
MY CHOICE, BUT IT HAD NOT -- THE VOTE HAD NOT COME BEFORE
CITY COUNCIL YET.
INSTEAD OF CALLING THAT PERSON INTERIM POLICE CHIEF, SHE
CALLED THE PERSON THE POLICE CHIEF.
HERE IS THE POLICE CHIEF.
WELL, TECHNICALLY BY THE CHARTER WAS THAT PERSON, THE POLICE
CHIEF, NOT THE INTERIM, THAT PERSON THAT POLICE CHIEF BEFORE
CITY COUNCIL VOTED TO APPROVE?
12:17:27PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I THINK UNDER THE CHARTER, SHE HAS TO FILL
A VACANCY, AND I THINK THOSE OTHER -- SOMEONE TOLD ME THIS,
BUT UNDER SOME LAW ENFORCE.

UNIQUE THING THERE HAS TO BE A POLICE CHIEF IN PLACE WHETHER
YOU CALL THEM INTERIM, ACTING --
12:17:43PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MAYBE FOR LEGAL PURPOSES IT HAD TO BE
CALLED SOMETHING ELSE BUT DON'T YOU THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN
MORE ACCURATE AND RESPECTFUL TO CALL THE PERSON INTERIM,
WHATEVER, JUST LIKE SOMEONE SAID, CHIEF BERCAW NOW IS CALLED
INTERIM.
ISN'T THAT -- THE FIRE CHIEF WAS CALLED INTERIM.
BUT FOR SOME REASON THAT PARTICULAR ONE DIDN'T USE THE WORD
INTERIM.
AND THAT'S WHY THE PUBLIC FELT STRONG ARMED.
BY THE OLD CHARTER, THE PERSON WAS NOT PERMANENT BECAUSE
CITY COUNCIL HAD NOT APPROVED THE PERSON, RIGHT?
IT WAS AN INTERIM POSITION.
12:18:12PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
CORRECT.
12:18:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SO WE AREN'T CHANGING THOSE POINTS. CITY
COUNCIL ALWAYS HAD THE POWER TO REJECT OR APPROVE.
AND THE TITLE IS NOT PERMANENT UNTIL CITY COUNCIL --
12:18:24PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
YOU ARE SAYING WORDS MATTER, WHETHER YOU
CALL THEM INTERIM, ACTING OR THE POLICE CHIEF, WORDS MATTER
WHETHER YOU SAY THE MAYOR GETS TO NOMINATE OR APPOINT, OR
CITY COUNCIL GETS TO CONFIRM OR APPOINT.
YOU ARE TAKING THE APPOINTMENT AWAY FROM HER BY MAKING THIS
CHANGE.
AND THIS GOES TO THE QUESTION THAT COUNCIL ASKED EARLIER,

WHAT I HEARD THE MAYOR SAY WAS THAT SHE WANTS TO WORK WITH
THE COUNCIL TO FIND SOLUTIONS TO THESE ISSUES.
SOMETHING LIKE A PROCESS.
YOU COULD ADOPT A RESOLUTION SAYING THAT WE HEREBY RESOLVE
THAT WE WILL NOT CONFIRM AN APPOINTMENT IF THE FOLLOWING
HASN'T HAPPENED, AND YOU CAN TALK ABOUT INTERVIEWS WITH THAT
PERSON.
WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU WANT THAT COULD FIX WHAT YOU THINK
WENT WRONG.
12:19:11PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DON'T YOU THINK THAT OBJECTION SHOULD HAVE
BEEN BROUGHT UP WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING IT A FEW MONTHS AGO?
12:19:16PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
FROM MY PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE, WHEN I TRIED
TO SPEAK AT THE FIRST COUNCIL WORKSHOP, IT WAS -- I FELT,
AND MAYBE I MISREAD THE ROOM -- THAT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR
FROM THE ADMINISTRATION.
YOU ASKED FOR OUTSIDE COUNSEL, NOT HAVE OUR OFFICE INVOLVED.
SO WE DID STOP RAISING OBJECTIONS.
12:19:39PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SO BEFORE MY TIME RUNS OUT, SORRY, I KNOW
SHE'S GOING TO CUT MY TIME HERE IN A SECOND.
I WANT TO ASK A FINAL QUESTION.
WHATEVER WE CALL LET'S SAY THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION, POLICE,
APPOINTEE, THAT SOMEHOW CITY COUNCIL HAS SOME POWER OVER
THIS PERSON.
ISN'T IT TRUE EVEN IF THIS PASSES THAT THAT PERSON WILL
CONTINUE TO REPORT TO THE MAYOR?

AND THAT THE MAYOR WILL DO THE ANNUAL SURVEY, CITY COUNCIL
HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, AND EVEN WITH THE SITUATION WITH
THE LAST POLICE CHIEF, COULD WE HAVE -- COULD CITY COUNCIL
HAVE FIRED THAT PERSON?
12:20:10PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
NO.
12:20:11PM >>BILL CARLSON:
AND EVEN WITH THESE CHANGES, CAN CITY
COUNCIL, IF THESE CHANGES ARE APPROVED BY COUNCIL CAN CITY
COUNCIL FIRE THAT PERSON OR CHANGE THEIR SALARY OR REVIEW
THEM IN ANY KIND OF NEGATIVE WAY OR HAVE ANY KIND OF
ADMINISTRATIVE POWER OVER THEM WHATSOEVER?
12:20:28PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I BELIEVE THE SALARY IS PART OF THE BUDGET
SO YOU HAVE A SAY IN THAT.
12:20:32PM >>BILL CARLSON:
BUT STILL THEY REPORT TO THE MAYOR.
I CAN CALL IT AN APPOINTEE.
SO REALLY IT IS NOT THAT THIS PERSON SOMEHOW BY CHANGING
WITH ONE WORD NOW REPORTS TO CITY COUNCIL.
ONE OF THE PROPOSALS I HAD WAS TO GIVE US THE RIGHT TO FIRE
THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND THE MAYOR DIDN'T LIKE THAT ONE.
BUT, ANYWAY, YOU ULTIMATELY REPORT TO THE MAYOR.
WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER ANY OF THESE POSITIONS OTHER THAN TO
SAY "YES" OR "NO" IN THAT VOTE.
CORRECT?
12:20:59PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
WELL, THE CITY CLERK CAN'T BE FIRED
WITHOUT A VOTE.
CITY COUNCIL, AND I BELIEVE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY WOULD NOT

BE ABLE TO BE FIRED WITHOUT OBVIOUSLY THE VOTE OF CITY
COUNCIL.
SO YOU DO HAVE SOME SAY.
BUT, YEAH, THE DEPARTMENT HEADS REPORT TO THE MAYOR, AND
SHE'S THE ONE WHO HIRES AND FIRES.
12:21:18PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST A LAST ITERATION. IF WE FOUND ONE OF
THE MAYOR'S STAFF WAS DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL OR UNETHICAL
YOU STILL COULDN'T FIRE THEM, RIGHT?
12:21:27PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
NO, BUT YOU COULD CERTAINLY REPORT IT TO
THE MAYOR, COULD YOU ASK MAKE A MOTION TO LOOK INTO IT.
THERE ARE ACTIONS CITY COUNCIL CAN TAKE.
12:21:37PM >>BILL CARLSON:
OKAY.
12:21:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
THANK YOU.
DOES ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS?
12:21:41PM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE KEEP TRYING TO BACK STAB
THE ORDINANCE WHEN WE HAVE GOTTEN THIS FAR IN THE
CONVERSATION.
IT'S LIKE, OKAY, LET'S THROW THIS CAR AWAY AND GO BACK AND
GET A NEW ONE.
WE ARE GOING TO WALK BACK THERE BUT WE ARE GOING TO GET A
NEW ONE.
I JUST -- IT'S DUMBFOUNDING TO ME TO KEEP HAVING THIS
CONVERSATION OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT?
BOTTOM LINE IS, THE CRA FIRING PROCESS LOOKED GOOD.
THE POLICE CHIEF HIRING PROCESS, NOT SO MUCH.
AND THE CITIZENS WERE REALLY TICKED OFF ABOUT THE HIRING
PROCESS FOR THE CHIEF BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T INCLUDED.
AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE GENTLEMAN WHO WAS THE INTERIM
DID NOT GET INCLUDED IN THE PUBLIC FORUM.
SO BOTTOM LINE IS ALL WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS THE TEMPORARY
EMPLOYEE.
THIS IS THE A TEMPORARY JOB.
THIS ISN'T THE PERMANENT POSITION.
THIS IS JUST FOR THE TEMPORARY JOB.
SO LET'S ACT LIKE THAT.
[BELL SOUNDS]
12:22:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
12:23:01PM >> JOE ROBINSON.
I'M GOOD.
12:23:10PM >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL?
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
12:23:13PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA AND A MANISCALCO
VOTING NO.
12:23:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023-3.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:23:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SURE.
IF NO ONE ELSE JUMPS IN I WILL DO IT.

I MOVE TO OVERRIDE THE VETO OF THE MAYOR FOR AN ORDINANCE
RELATING TO THE GOVERNMENT OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA
SUBMITTING TO THE ELECTORS OF THE CITY A PROPOSED AMENDMENT
TO THE REVISED CHARTER OF THE CITY OF TAMPA OF 1975 AS
AMENDED TO AMEND SECTION 2.02 TO REVISING TERM LIMITS OF
CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO LIMIT THE ABILITY OF MEMBERS OF CITY
COUNCIL TO SERVE MORE THAN A TOTAL OF 4 CONSECUTIVE FULL
TERMS EFFECTIVE WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA ELECTION IN 2027
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
12:24:22PM >> SECOND.
12:24:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SECOND
BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ANY DISCUSSION?
12:24:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I AM GOING TO SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE I
DISAGREE WITH THE POINT HERE THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF 7
NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS AND A NEW MAYOR, WHATEVER, WITHOUT
STAGGERED TERMS AND NO INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE.
I DISAGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE IN 2011 IT WHATS A MAJORITY OF
CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND A NEW MAYOR, BUT THINGS WORKED OUT,
AND THEY HAD THEIR KNOWLEDGE FROM WHATEVER BACKGROUNDS, AND
I DIDN'T SEE CHAOS OR ANYTHING IN AN ISSUE THERE SO I AM
GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
THANK YOU.
12:25:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COUNCILMAN?
12:25:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, IF THE ADMINISTRATION HAD CONCERNS

ABOUT THE STAGGERING OF SEATS THEN THEY COULD HAVE TALKED
ABOUT THAT MONTHS AGO.
THIS WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE PEOPLE COME AND GO ANYWAY.
IT WILL HAPPEN NATURALLY.
BUT I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW, THIS ONE, DESPITE WHAT
THE MAYOR DID, HAS SAID THAT THESE USURP THE POWER OF THE
MAYOR'S OFFICE.
THIS ONE TAKES AWAY THE POURER OF CITY COUNCIL.
WE ARE LIMITING OURSELVES.
WE ARE SAYING THAT WE CANNOT RUN AGAIN.
SO THAT MEANS WHEN CHARLIE MIRANDA IS ALMOST 100, HE CAN'T
RUN AGAIN.
SO -- BUT THE REST OF US ARE GOING TO BE DONE A LOT EARLIER.
WE ARE LIMITING OURSELVES HERE.
SO I JUST WANT THE RECORD TO BE CLEAR THAT WE ARE IN FAVOR
OF LIMITING OURSELVES ALSO.
WE ARE JUST TRYING TO PUT GOOD GOVERNMENT FORWARD.
THANK YOU.
12:26:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IT IS MY OPINION, AND I HAVE HEARD SO MANY
TIMES TODAY, LET'S LEAVE IT UP TO THE VOTERS.
I HAVE NO INTENTION IF REELECTED TO RUN AFTER THAT.
IF WE ARE GOING TO LEAVE IT UP TO IT VOTERS FOR THESE
CHARTER AMENDMENTS, WE SHOULD ALSO LEAVE IT UP TO THE VOTERS
ON WHO THEY WANT TO ELECT.
THANK YOU.

12:26:22PM >> I DON'T KNOW THAT I AM GOING TO BE 100 BUT I DO HAVE
LONGEVITY.
MY GRANDMOTHER DIED AT 96, MY UNCLE PASSED AWAY ABOUT EIGHT
MONTHS AGO AT 94, AND MY OTHER AUNT DIED AT 97 ABOUT SIX
MONTHS AGO.
SO YOU TAKE AWAY THE SAME THINGS YOU ARE GIVING AWAY, BUT
THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
HAVE A NICE DAY.
12:26:53PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I ALWAYS SAY THAT CHARLIE MIRANDA IS THE
HEALTHIEST OF ALL OF SO I HOPE HE LIVES TO BE WAY PAST 100.
12:27:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SHALL WE RECORD OUR VOTES?
EXCUSE ME, I THOUGHT STEPHANIE POYNOR WAS UP HERE.
IT WASN'T?
SORRY.
COME ON UP HERE, PUBLIC.
GIVE US YOUR COMMENTS ON THIS.
AND WE HAVE CHIEF BENNETT.
YOU FIRST.
12:27:28PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
CHIEF OF STAFF AGAIN LISTING FROM THE
MAYOR'S VETO MEMO.
I THINK THE STAGGERING OF TERMS COMPORTS TO THE BENCHMARK
PROCESS WHATS THE CRC.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S HIGHLIGHTED DOWN BELOW WAS VOTED AGAINST THIS
PROPOSAL IN 2017.

IT'S NOT THAT WE CAN'T CHANGE OR FIND NEW WAYS TO GET
THROUGH THINGS, BUT I THINK THE CONCERN FROM THE
ADMINISTRATION IS THE COINCIDENCE OF TURNOVER AND
INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE FOR THE CITY MOVING FORWARD.
YES, IT CAN HAPPEN, BUT USUALLY WITH INCUMBENTS IT TENDS TO
HAPPEN LESS FREQUENTLY.
SO BY DOING IT THIS WAY, AGAIN FLUSHING IT OUT OVER A LONGER
PERIOD OF TIME, WITH I WAS DONE A COUPLE YEARS AGO WITH THE
CRC, WAS TO HER POINT IN THAT MEMO.
THANK YOU.
12:28:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE.
12:28:21PM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
IF YOU WANTED STAGGERED TERMS YOU SHOULD HAVE ASKED FOR IT.
SORRY OF THE
12:28:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
12:28:39PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA AND CITRO VOTING
NO.
12:28:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:28:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST TO ADD ONE MORE THING.
ONE OF THE ALLEGATION IT IS ADMINISTRATION HAS SHOWN US IS
WE ARE BRINGING BACK ISSUES REVIEWED BY THE CHARTER REVIEW
COMMISSION.
THIS ONE IN PART WAS AND I WAS ONE OF THE PROPOSERS OF IT.
I AM NOT THE ONE THAT ORIGINALLY BROUGHT THIS CONCEPT UP.

I THINK I AMENDED IT AT SOME POINT BUT THE OTHERS WERE NOT
PROPOSED AND REJECT.
THIS ONE, THOUGH, WHEN I TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE CHARTER
REVIEW COMMISSION I PROVIDED SETTING BETTER TERM LIMITS WITH
THE MAYOR AND THE MAYOR WAS AGAINST TERM LIMITS FOR HIM SO
HE FOUGHT AGAINST BOTH OF THESE.
SO THAT'S HOW IT ENDED LAST TIME.
THANK YOU.
12:29:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE ARE NOW GOING TO BE DISCUSSING THE VETO
OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 02-23-4.
12:29:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MAKE A MOTION TO OVERRIDE THE VETO OF AN
ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE GOVERNMENT OF THE CITY OF TAMPA,
FLORIDA SUBMITTING TO THE ELECTORS OF THE CITY A PROPOSED
AMENDMENT TO THE REVISED CHARTER OF THE CITY OF TAMPA OF
1975 AS AMENDED TO AMEND SECTION 5.01 TO PROVIDE TO THE
CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD TO SELECT A LEGAL COUNSEL WHO IS NOT A
CITY EMPLOYEE TO ADVICE THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD WITH
FUNDING PROVIDED BY THE CITY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
12:30:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION THAT IS MADE BY
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ANY DISCUSSION?
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
12:30:20PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YEAH, AND I HAD A QUESTION FOR MR. SHELBY.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THIS IS RELEVANT,
WHICH IS IF THIS IS PASSED AND THE VOTERS ULTIMATELY SUPPORT

THIS, ISN'T IT TRUE THAT WE NEED AN ORDINANCE TO IMPLEMENT
THIS?
AND ISN'T IT TRUE THAT WITHIN THAT ORDINANCE WE CAN DEAL
WITH ISSUES SUCH AS THE BUDGET, AND ISSUES NOT DIRECTLY
DEFINED IN THE CHARTER, AND IS THAT TRUE?
12:30:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WELL, WITH REGARD TO THE BUDGET, I THINK
YOU HAVE TO BE MORE SPECIFIC.
CERTAINLY YOU HAVE THE BUDGETARY ABILITY WHENEVER THE BUDGET
IS PRESENTED TO YOU.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, PRESENTLY, YOUR ORDINANCE, 18-8,
SUBSECTION H-6, PRESENTLY PROVIDES FOR AN ASSISTANT CITY
ATTORNEY SERVING AS THE LEGAL ADVISER TO THE CRB AND SHALL
NOT BE AN ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY WITH REGARDS TO DEPARTMENT
PROVIDED HOWEVER THERE IS EXISTING CONFLICT OF INTEREST AS
DEFINED BY THE FLORIDA BAR RULES AS DETERMINED BY THE CITY
ATTORNEY, THE CITY ATTORNEY MAY ENGAGE OUTSIDE COUNCIL FOR
THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE TO THE CRB ON SUCH MATTERS TO
WHICH SUCH CONFLICT EXISTS.
AND I BELIEVE THERE IS A COMPANION, I SUSPECT, IF YOU CALL
IT THAT, AN EXECUTIVE ORDER, BUT WITH REGARD TO YOUR
SPECIFIC QUESTION, IF THIS DOES GET PRESENTED TO THE VOTERS
AND THE VOTERS DO PASS THAT, THE CHARTER PROVISION WILL THEN
MAKE THIS ORDINANCE INCONSISTENT WITH THE CHARTER, AND THIS
ORDINANCE WOULD HAVE TO BE AMENDED IN ORDER TO BE
CONSISTENT.

12:31:51PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, I ASKED THAT QUESTION
BECAUSE I THINK FOR MANY PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC, THE CRB IS
SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
THERE AREN'T UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE.
FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE PUBLIC ALL THIS DOES IS RIGHT NOW
THERE IS A CITY ATTORNEY WHO SERVES AS THE ATTORNEY FOR THE
BOARD, AND THIS MERELY HAS AN ATTORNEY WHO IS NOT DIRECTLY A
CITY EMPLOYEE.
AND NOTHING RADICAL IS CHANGING FROM THIS AT ALL.
THE MAIN ISSUE THAT I THINK THAT I WANT TO ADDRESS IS TO
MAKE SURE THAT WE STILL HAVE TO DO AN ORDINANCE ONCE IT
PASSES TO IMPLEMENT IT SO THAT IT ISN'T JUST SELF-EXECUTING
AND THAT IF THERE'S ANY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT ARISE
NOT FROM THE DIRECT LANGUAGE OF THE CHARTER AMENDMENT, THE
PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENT, BUT THAT BE ADDRESSED
RESPONSIBLY.
THAT IS WHY I ASKED THAT.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWER.
12:32:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IN ADDITION TO THAT JUST OBVIOUSLY STATING
THAT WHATEVER ORDINANCE COUNCIL ADOPTS WILL HAVE TO BE
PRESENTED TO THE MAYOR.
12:32:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:32:53PM >> SO I DIDN'T KNOW THIS BUT ON JUNE 28, 2022 THE CRB VOTED
6-2 THEY DID NOT WANT AN INDEPENDENT COUNSEL BECAUSE THEY
WERE SATISFIED WITH THE STATUS QUO BUT IN 2021 AN ASSISTANT

CITY ATTORNEY WHO DOES NOT REPRESENT THE TPD WILL SERVE AS
THE CRB'S LEGAL ADVISER, WHICH WE KNEW THAT FROM 2021
BECAUSE WE VOTED FOR IT.
ALSO IN 2021 IT ALLOWS ALREADY FOR THE HIRING OF AN OUTSIDE
ATTORNEY IN THE CASE OF A CONFLICT.
SO THE CRB HAS NEVER ASKED FOR THAT PROVISION I DON'T KNOW
UNTIL RECENTLY IF IT HAS BEEN INVOKED.
IS THIS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY?
THE BOARD VOTED THAT THEY DID NOT WANT IT, AND NOW BECAUSE
OF WHAT WE VOTED FOR, OKAY, I THINK THROUGH THE WHOLE CRB
PROCESS IN 2015, IN 2021 IT ALREADY ALLOWS THEM TO HIRE AN
OUTSIDE ATTORNEY IN THE CASE OF A CONFLICT.
THIS IS WHAT IT'S SAYING HERE.
SO IS THIS NECESSARY, IS MY QUESTION, AND WHAT WILL IT COST
REGARDLESS?
[BELL SOUNDS]
12:33:58PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I'M CONFUSED.
I THOUGHT THE PRESIDENT, THE BOARD CHAIRMAN, CAME THROUGH
AND SAID THAT THEY DID SUPPORT THAT.
I REMEMBER THAT.
FROM THE FLOOR: I HEARD THAT, TOO.
12:34:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE.
[SOUNDING GAVEL]
12:34:15PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I DON'T NOT WHERE THAT CAME FROM BUT I
DON'T BELIEVE MUCH OF WHAT THE PAPER SAYS THESE DAYS, BUT

THE PRESIDENT OR CHAIRMAN CAME TO CITY COUNCIL AND TOLD THEM
BECAUSE THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY, AND TOLD THEM THAT THEY
SUPPORTED THAT.
12:34:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT'S WHAT HE SAID.
12:34:36PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I'M SORRY.
12:34:38PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
IF I MAY JUST CLARIFY THERE.
WERE TWO ISSUES THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT.
ONE WAS GIVING THE CRB SUBPOENA POWER AND ONE WAS THE
OUTSIDE ATTORNEY.
THEY VOTED 6-2 THAT THEY DID NOT WANT THE OUTSIDE ATTORNEY.
ON SUBPOENA POWER THEY CAME TO COUNCIL AND SAID WE VOTE FOR
YOU TO TAKE THAT TO THE VOTERS.
THAT WAS THE DISTINCTION.
12:35:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:35:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU, I MEAN, THIS OUTSIDE
ATTORNEY IS JUST GOING TO WORK -- WE ARE NOT CREATING
SOMETHING NEW FOR THIS.
AND THAT BOARD IS ONLY HERE FOR NOW.
THAT BOARD IS GOING TO CHANGE OVER.
WE ARE DOING SOMETHING THAT WILL LIVE THROUGHOUT THE BOARD,
AND THAT THE CITIZENS -- I MEAN, LITERALLY, WE GET ATTACKED
TOO EVERY TIME WE TALK ABOUT THIS.
SO I WOULD ABSOLUTELY ARGUE THAT THE PUBLIC REALLY DOES WANT
THIS, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT EXPENSIVE BECAUSE THAT
PERSON IS ONLY BEING PAID WHEN THEY ARE WORKING ON THIS

ACTUAL ISSUE.
IT'S GOING TO BE SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT PART OF THE CITY.
12:35:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:35:50PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IT'S NOT GOING TO COST VERY MUCH MONEY.
IT ALSO BY THE WAY IS NOT AN ATTACK ON THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT, DESPITE WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION SAYS, HAVING
OBJECTIVE LEGAL COUNSEL, IT SHOULD HELP THE POLICE OFFICERS
WHO ARE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
ALL THIS DOES IS IT PROVIDES OBJECTIVITY.
SOME OF THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS I PROPOSED WOULD FIX THE
CONFLICT OF INTEREST OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.
THE CITY ATTORNEY BY CHARTER REPRESENTS THE MAYOR, THE CITY
COUNCIL, THE BOARD MEMBERS OF THESE COMMITTEES, AND OTHERS,
AS WELL AS THE CITY.
THERE'S INHERENT CONFLICT OF INTEREST THERE, AND WE KNOW
THAT FROM PROVEN RECORD THAT SOME CITY ATTORNEYS HAVE
MISINTERPRETED THE CHARTER, IN PARTICULAR IN AROUND THIS
ISSUE.
THE MOST RECENT ONE IS 2018, CITY ATTORNEY WROTE A TWO
PARAGRAPH MEMO WITHOUT TELLING CITY COUNCIL THAT GUESS WHAT,
WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BEFORE CITY COUNCIL TO GET APPROVAL FOR
SETTLEMENTS ANYMORE.
THAT WAS COMPLETELY ILLEGAL.
HE ALSO SAID IN THAT MEMO THAT IT SQUASHED ANY PRIOR
ORDINANCES.

THE CHARTER DOES NOT ALLOW THAT.
IT WAS AN ILLEGAL IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR WE WROTE FILE
LAWSUITS ABOUT THAT, TO STOP PEOPLE FROM MISINTERPRETING THE
CHARTER.
ALL THIS DOES IS SENDS THE CITY ATTORNEY REPORTS TO THE
MAYOR AND MAKES SURE THAT THE LEGAL COUNSEL -- PELL BELL
IMAGINE YOU GET A MAYOR WHO IS ANTI-POLICE.
IT COULD WORK AGAINST THE POLICE IN THAT SITUATION, TOO.
AN OUTSIDE ATTORNEY HAS TO BY OUR RULES GET INDEPENDENT
COUNSEL.
THANK YOU.
12:37:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:37:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
AS I HEARD IT, IF THERE'S A DISPUTE BETWEEN THE PARTIES,
THEN THEY HIRE AN OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO SETTLE THE DISPUTE.
IS THAT CORRECT, CITY ATTORNEY, PRESENTLY?
12:37:34PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
UNDER THE CURRENT -- YES, IF THE CRB
DETERMINES THAT THERE'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND THE CITY
ATTORNEY LOOKS AT IT, HE OR SHE DETERMINES THAT THERE IS A
CONFLICT, THEY CAN HIRE OUTSIDE COUNSEL.
I ACTUALLY WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING.
TWO OF YOU SAY THIS WON'T COST THAT MUCH.
AS SOMEONE -- AND MORRIS COULD SPEAK TO IT MORE THAN ME --
AS SOMEONE WHO IS CURRENTLY SIGNING THE INVOICES FOR OUTSIDE
COUNSEL, WHICH WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THOSE COSTS UNDER

CONTROL, IT IS VERY EXPENSIVE.
THE DAYS WHEN ATTORNEYS OUTSIDE THE CITY WERE WILLING TO
TAKE CITY WORK AT A SIGNIFICANTLY DISCOUNTED RATE ARE OVER.
IN ORDER TO GET DECENT ATTORNEYS, WE ARE PAYING RELATIVELY
HIGH HOURLY RATES, AND YOU CAN'T EXPECT AN ATTORNEY TO JUST
COME TO A BOARD MEETING AND SIT THERE FOR TWO HOURS AND ONLY
CHARGE FOR THOSE TWO HOURS.
THEY NEED TO PREPARE FOR IT.
THEY NEED TO READ THE AGENDA.
THEY NEED TO READ THE BACKUP BACK DOCUMENTATION.
THEY NEED TO TAKE CALLS FROM BOARD MEMBERS IN BETWEEN.
YOU WOULD BE SHOCKED AT HOW QUICKLY HOURS GET RATCHETED UP
AND BILLS GET BIGGER AND BIGGER.
AND WE REALLY NEED TO FLUSH THAT OUT BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT
ACCURATE TO SAY, "THIS WON'T COST MUCH."
IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU THINK IS MUCH.
BUT THE LEGAL FEES THAT WE ARE PAYING OUTSIDE COUNSEL ADD UP
QUIET PRETTY QUICKLY.
12:39:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE 1.9 BILLION BUDGET
DOES IT COST TO HAVE OUTSIDE COUNSEL?
12:39:15PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE TELLING.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE ARE SPENDING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF
DOLLARS EVERY YEAR ON OUTSIDE COUNSEL.
12:39:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO THAT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO 1% OR A PORTION
OF 1%, CORRECT?

I'M JUST ASKING.
IS THAT CORRECT?
12:39:30PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I WASN'T HIRED TO DO MATH SO I DON'T KNOW.
12:39:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT WE CAN SAY PRETTY CLEARLY THAT IT'S LESS
THAN ONE HALF OF ONE PERCENT.
12:39:42PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
OKAY.
AS I SAID, GIVE PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS OF THE
WORD NOT COST THAT MUCH.
TO ME, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IS A LOT OF MONEY,
BUT I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
12:39:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
CHIEF BENNETT.
12:39:59PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
CHIEF OF STAFF.
ONCE AGAIN, LIFTING THE PART OF THE MAYOR'S MEMO ON THE
VETO, JUST TO ANSWER A FEW QUESTIONS THAT I HEARD.
$100,000 THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT WOULD OUTFIT A SINGLE
OFFICER WITH THEIR HIRING AND THEIR EQUIPMENT SO JUST FOR
SOME RELATIVITY ON THAT BECAUSE IT WOULD COME PROSECUTE THE
GENERAL FUND.
THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
SO JUST A DETAIL THERE
I THINK THE REASON THAT THE MAYOR WANTED TO MEAT WITH ALL OF
YOU IS BECAUSE TWO THINGS.
ONE, THE CRB DID VOTE THIS DOWN, AND THAT'S WHY IT WAS PUT
IN THE MEMO.

AND THEN SECONDLY, WE WENT THROUGH A VERY INTENSE EXERCISE
TO REVAMP THE R.
THE MAYOR WAS THE ONE THAT TOOK AWAY THE EXECUTIVE ORDER AND
WORKED WITH COUNCIL TO BUILD AN ORDINANCE TO WORK TOGETHER
COLLABORATIVELY ON THIS, AND SHE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT CHANGED
BETWEEN THEN AND NOW THAT THIS HAD TO GO INTO THE CHARTER.
AND THEN THE LAST POINT, THERE IS NOTHING IN THE CHARTER NOW
ABOUT THIS AREA, SO NOW WE HAVE A ONE-OFF IN THE CHARTER
THAT DEALS WITH SOMETHING THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED BY
ORDINANCE, AND THEN THE VERY LAST TO THAT IS WE CAN USE AN
ORDINANCE OR AMEND THE CURRENT ORDINANCE TO GET EXACTLY WHAT
WE ARE WORKING ON.
[BELL SOUNDS]
AND SHE SAID SHE IS COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH COUNCIL ON IT.
12:41:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CHIEF BENNETT, YOU HAVE WERE IN MY MEETING
WITH THE MAYOR.
I JUST WANT A QUICK YES OR NO.
DID SHE ASK ME THAT QUESTION?
12:41:25PM >> I'M SORRY, WHAT QUESTION WOULD THAT BE?
12:41:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE REALLY NEED THIS.
DIDN'T WE TALK ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE, OR AT ALL?
12:41:36PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
HER QUESTION WAS AN OPEN ENDED QUESTION
ABOUT HELPING TO UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE ITEMS FROM COUNCIL'S
PERSPECTIVE.
12:41:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT I AM MAKING SURE.

IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION BUT WE DID NOT
BECAUSE SHE DID NOT ASK ME THAT QUESTION.
12:41:51PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
BUT SHE WAS THE ONE THAT OPENED THE DOOR TO
GET FEEDBACK AS TO WHY THIS WAS NECESSARY.
AN OPEN ENDED QUESTION TO EVERYBODY THAT I SAT IN IS, HELP
ME UNDERSTAND THESE CHANGES.
12:42:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY, IT'S A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION.
12:42:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CHIEF, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, SHOTS NO
COST LIKE $250,000 A YEAR AND IT'S BEEN PROVEN TO BE
COMPLETELY INEFFECTIVE, OUT OF 500 CALLS THAT WASTED POLICE
OFFICER TIME, POLICE OFFICERS COMPLAINTS ABOUT WASTE OF TIME
AND GO AWAY FROM REAL CRIMES, IT RESULTED IN 25 CHARGES THAT
PROBABLY WERE ALL CALLED IN BY 911 ANYWAY.
SO FOR $250,000 HOW MANY OFFICERS COULD WE HIRE FOR THAT?
12:42:33PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
TWO AND A HALF BASED ON YOUR QUESTION.
AND --
12:42:37PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT'S A DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY BUT
THERE ARE TWO SOFTWARE PACKAGES THAT POLICE OFFICERS HAVE TO
FILL OUT AND THEY COMPLAIN THAT IT'S REDUNDANT, IT'S TAKING
A LOT OF TIME TO FILL OUT TWO SYSTEMS, AND THEY SHOULD BE
SPENDING THAT TIME IN THE FIELD.
THAT TIME ALONE COULD FREE UP A LOT OF TIME.
AND MY LAST QUESTION RELATED TO THIS IF THE MAYOR HAD PUT
OUT THE HANNA AVENUE PROJECT TO BID INSTEAD OF JUST SIGNING
OFF FOR $108 MILLION AND WE SAVED $5 MILLION BY LET'S SAY 5%

BY PUTTING IT OUT FOR BID, HOW MANY POLICE OFFICERS COULD WE
HAVE HIRED FOR $5 MILLION?
12:43:14PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
DIVIDED BY 100 THAT YOU.
12:43:16PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE BIGGEST ISSUE WITH POLICE OFFICERS
RIGHT NOW ARE THEY ARE STRESSED OUT AND THEY WANT MORE
OFFICERS TO HELP AND THEY WANT LESS PAPERWORK AND BUILD
TRUST IN THE COMMUNITY.
HAVING INDEPENDENT COUNSEL PROTECTS THE PUBLIC.
THE REASON WHY THIS IS HERE IS BECAUSE AT LEAST THE PRIOR
ADMINISTRATION CREATED HOSTILE POLICIES THAT OPPRESSED THE
EAST TAMPA, OPPRESSED THE BLACK COMMUNITY, AND IT'S CAUSED
TAMPA TO HAVE A HORRIBLE REPUTATION.
RIGHT NOW, RIGHT I KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THE ADMINISTRATION
TRIED TO HIDE IT, WE ARE UNDER THE SECOND CIVIL RIGHTS
INVESTIGATION SEVEN YEARS BECAUSE OF PROGRAMS THAT THE LAST
MAYOR AND HIS CHIEF OF POLICE, WHO IS NOW THE MAYOR,
CREATED.
AND THESE ARE JUST TWO PROGRAMS THAT WERE FOUND THROUGH
INVESTIGATIVE REPORTS BY THE "TAMPA BAY TIMES."
IMAGINE WHAT ELSE IS OUT THERE THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT.
THESE ARE NOT PROGRAMS CREATED BY THE POLICE OFFICERS.
IN FACT THE POLICE OFFICERS DON'T LIKE THEM.
THEIR PROGRAMS CREATED BECAUSE WE HAD PEOPLE ON TOP OF THE
CITY WHO INTENTIONALLY CREATED RACIST PROGRAMS THAT
OPPRESSED, AND THE PUBLIC, AS PART OF THE SETTLEMENT FOR

THAT, WANTED THE CRB, AND THEN PRIOR ADMINISTRATIONS TRIED
TO EDIT THE CRB DOWN AND ALL THE PUBLIC ASSEMBLY IS ASKING
FOR NOW IS GIVE US AN ATTORNEY WHO DOESN'T WORTH TO THE
MAYOR BECAUSE WOO F WE GET ANOTHER MAYOR WHO INSISTS ON
PROTECTING AND HIDING AND DEFENDING RACIST POLICIES WE WANT
AN ATTORNEY THAT WE CAN RELY ON THAT TELLS THE TRUTH.
12:44:46PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
UNDERSTOOD, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE
MAYOR DID IN THE LAST ORDINANCE IS MADE A PROVISION FOR AN
OUTSIDE ATTORNEY TO SUPPORT COUNSEL AND THE CRB AND THE
PUBLIC AFTER AN ELONGATED WORKSHOP WITH THE PUBLIC HOSTED BY
USF.
BY THE WAY, DOJ AND DEA BROUGHT ALMOST 40 PERSONNEL FROM
MAJOR CITIES BECAUSE THEY DO BELIEVE THAT THE TAMPA POLICE
DEPARTMENT IS DOING THE --
12:45:11PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ARE THEY NOT INTERVIEWING PEOPLE RIGHT NOW
ABOUT RENTING WHILE BLACK?
12:45:16PM >> I DON'T KNOW, I JUST KNOW THAT THE DOJ HAS A LOT FAITH IN
OUR OFFICERS.
12:45:21PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HAVING OBJECTIVE ATTORNEY ALSO PROTECTS THE
POLICE OFFICERS.
IMAGINE HOW VULNERABLE THE POLICE OFFICERS ARE HAVING TO GO
THROUGH THIS PUBLIC PROCESS.
THEY I AM SURE WOULD WANT AN OBJECTIVE ATTORNEY BECAUSE THEY
DON'T WANT ANY POLITICS INSERTED IN THIS AT ALL.
SO ALL WE ARE ASKING FOR, THERE WAS SO MUCH MONEY BEING

WASTED IN THIS ADMINISTRATION, WE NEED OBJECTIVITY, WE NEED
TO PAY FOR OUTSIDE COUNSEL BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN IT IN
THE PAST.
12:45:47PM >> WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED BY ORDINANCE.
THE BIG CONCERN WITH THE CHARTER IS WE DIDN'T HEAR ANY
SCOPE.
THE SCOPE OF MONEY, THE SCOPE OF SELECTION PROCESS, THE
SCOPE OF PROTECTING THE CRB AS A BODY WHO IS DOING THE
VOLUNTEER WORK.
WE WANTED TO HEAR ALL OF THAT SCOPE.
WE HADN'T HEARD THAT.
SO THAT WAS THE REASON THE MAYOR VETOED THIS TO UNDERSTAND
MORE OF THAT SCOPE AND WHY SHE INVITED EVERYBODY TO THE
TABLE TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THAT.
12:46:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
12:46:13PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THREE THINGS.
WHEN I SUGGESTED THAT THE OUTLINE IN TERMS OF HOW WE GO,
THIS IS KIND OF -- AND AGAIN, NOT CHIEF BENNETT, NOT
COUNCILMAN CARL SEASON, NOT POINTING AT EITHER ONE, BUT JUST
DO MOVE THIS FORWARD, BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE KNOW HOW THEY
ARE GOING TO VOTE, ET CETERA.
AND JUST REALLY QUICK, JUST A POINT, I GUESS, IF YOU WILL,
WITH REGARDS TO -- I TRIED NOT TO CALL IT AN INDEPENDENT
ATTORNEY BUT A SEPARATE ATTORNEY.
FOR EXAMPLE, AN ATTORNEY YOU GET INTO AN ACCIDENT AND YOU

ARE INSURED BY ALLSTATE, ALLSTATE WORKS FOR AN ALLSTATE IN
HOUSE JUST LIKE CITY ATTORNEY WORKS IN-HOUSE.
THEY ARE BY VIRTUE OF BEING A MEMBER OF THE FLORIDA BAR,
RULES AND EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE PAID BY ALLSTATE.
ALLSTATE MAY GO TO AN INDEPENDENT LAW FIRM JUST LIKE IS THE
CITY WILL PAY FOR THAT OUTSIDE ATTORNEY EVEN THOUGH THEY
HAVE THE SAME ETHICAL DUTIES, JUST LIKE THE CITY ATTORNEY
HAS THE SAME ETHICAL DUTIES TO THE CRB JUST LIKE THE OUTSIDE
ATTORNEY WOULD HAVE THE SAME RULES BY THE CRB.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[BELL SOUNDS]
12:47:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I JUST HEARD SOMETHING EARLIER, THE SHOT
SPOTTER WAS PAID FOR OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.
THAT'S PAID FOR BY GRANT.
IT WAS RECEIVED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
12:47:34PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I BELIEVE SHOT SPOTTER WAS PAID FOR BY A
GRANT.
I THINK IT STARTED OUT WITH A GRANT AND SOMETIMES GRANTS
CONVERT IN PART OR IN WHOLE TO GENERAL FUND PROCESS.
12:47:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT IS MONEY NOT BEING SPENT OUT OF THE
GENERAL FUND?
12:47:53PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
FROM THE BEGINNING.
I WOULD HAVE TO GET YOU THE HISTORY OF IT.
I DON'T HAVE IN THE FRONT OF ME.
12:47:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I AM GOOD REQUEST THAT.

MS. ZELMAN, DO WE HAVE ANY VOTING RECORD OF THE MEMBERS OF
THE CRB ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE?
12:48:05PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I HAVE IT UPSTAIRS, YES.
I CAN GET IT.
12:48:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WELL, IT WAS 6-2 AGAINST IT.
WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE HUMAN RIGHTS ORGANIZATION.
WE KNOW HOW THAT REPRESENTATIVE VOTED?
12:48:20PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I AM NOT UNDERSTANDING THE QUESTION.
12:48:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ON THE CRB OF THE.
12:48:27PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
OH, I DON'T KNOW.
I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK.
I MEAN, TIFF MINUTES OF THAT MEETING AND THE VOTE IN A NOTE
BOOK UPSTAIRS.
IF YOU WANT, I CAN GET IT.
12:48:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
WE WILL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME.
12:48:41PM >> MY NAME IS DAVID JONES, DISTRICT 7.
YEAH.
SO I ORGANIZE THE TAMPA BAY RIGHTS COMMITTEE, AND POLICE
BRUTALITY.
THEY DEMONIZE-THAT THEY RECEIVE FROM THE POLICE, TELLING US
ALL THE DETAILS.
WE ARE ALSO A VOLUNTEER GROUP LED BY TRULY A LOT OF PEOPLE
COMING EITHER OUT OF COLLEGE, PEOPLE WHO WORK FULL TIME,
PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE THE RANGE BUT WITH WHAT WE DO HAVE IS

THE CRB THAT IS FUNDED BY THE CITY THAT DOES HAVE TO SOME
ACTUAL INFLUENCE THAT CAN BE DOING SOMETHING, BUT BECAUSE OF
THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY RUN PEOPLE DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE
GOING THERE.
RIGHT NOW THIS VOTE IS TO MAKE IT SO THAT THE PEOPLE CAN
MAKE IT WHAT IT'S NEEDED TO BE AND SOMETHING THAT CAN
ACTUALLY HELP THEM.
THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN DO.
THERE'S ONLY SO MANY RESOURCES.
THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN HELP OUT WITH.
BUT TO REVIEW THESE CASES TO MAKE SURE THAT THE POLICE ARE
BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO DEMAND THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY
TRANSPARENCY HAPPENING.
[BELL SOUNDS]
IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN PROSECUTE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKE BEING
PAID TO DO IT SO I THINK PUTTING THIS ON THE BALLOT AND
MAKING SURE COUNTY BE SHAPED THE WAY THE PEOPLE NEED IT TO
BE SHAPED IS COMPLETELY NECESSARY AND I HOPE YOU OVERRIDE
THIS.
12:50:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
12:50:08PM >> COOK, TAMPA BAY COMMUNITY ACTION COMMITTEE.
THIS IS GETTING RIDICULOUS.
LUKE I'M SORRY, BUT WE HAVE BEEN HERE ALL DAY, LIKE LYNN
HURTAK SAID THE ROOM IS ALWAYS PACKED WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT
THE CRB SO WHY ARE WE DEBATING IT AGAIN?

WE HAVE BEEN HEAR EVERY TIME SAYING WE WANT THIS AND WE WANT
A VOTE ON THIS.
SO WHY ARE WE CONTINUING TO BE LIKE, OH, I DON'T KNOW IF
IT'S POSSIBLE.
WHY DID IT VOTE AND PASS?
WE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO VOTE.
ARE YOU GOING TO LET DEMOCRACY STAND IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
OR ARE YOU GOING -- YOU TELL ME.
THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
WE HAVE BEEN HERE ALL DAY DEBATING THE SAME THING.
ARE YOU GOING TO LET US VOTE OR NOT?
THAT'S THE QUESTION.
NOT OF THE CRB SAY "YES" OR "NO."
IT'S WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT.
WE WANT TO VOTE.
WE ARE HERE BECAUSE WE ARE SAYING WE WANT TO VOTE.
SO LET US VOTE.
12:51:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
12:51:06PM >> NOAH MYERS, TAMPA BAY COMMUNITY COMMITTEE.
I WANT TO CONTEXTUALIZE HOW THE CITY ATTORNEY ACTUALLY GOES.
THERE WAS A POINT IN TIME WHEN WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT
SUBPOENA POWER AT THE CRB MEETINGS AND I WATCHED AS THE
CITY-HIRED ATTORNEY MISLED THE CRB WHAT ABOUT SUBPOENA POWER
WAS CAPABLE OF, AND THERE HAVE BEEN COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE
CITY ATTORNEY.

THE ACLU HAS MENTIONED HOW MANY TIMES HAVE LEANED ON THE CRB
TO HURRY DECISIONS AND HURRY INVESTIGATIONS.
IT'S JUST NOT -- IT ISN'T A RATIONAL THING TO DO, TO HAVE
SOMEBODY WHO HAS A CLEAR CONFLICT OF INTEREST, AS COUNCILMAN
CARLSON SAID, WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND IT DOESN'T
MAKE ANY SENSE WHEN WE ARE TRYING TO INVESTIGATE THEM FOR
THINGS THAT THEY DID.
IT REALLY IS TO BENEFIT NO ONE, AND WE ARE STILL DOING IT.
AND AGAIN, WE JUST WANT A VOTE ON IT, LIKE IT'S A VERY
SIMPLE THING TO DO.
AND I AM SURE ALL OF YOU KIND OF UNDERSTAND THAT.
THIS IS A WEIRD CIRCUMSTANCE, AND WE SHOULDN'T BE IN IT.
[BELL SOUNDS]
THANK YOU.
12:52:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
12:52:19PM >> RICK FIFER.
WHEN I WATCHED THESE DISCUSSIONS BACK IN DECEMBER, A COUPLE
THINGS TO DON'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD IT NEEDS TO
HAVE SOME AUTONOMY BECAUSE I SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT I KNOW
IN THE BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES, THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF
MISTRUST AND WE NEED TO REBUILD THAT.
AND AUTONOMY ALLOWS THAT TO BE REBUILT.
THAT'S THE WAY TO GO WITH THE INDEPENDENT COUNSEL.
BUT I WILL ALSO TELL YOU, I TOOK A DIFFERENT TACKET THAN

WHAT YOU ALL VOTED FOR REGARDING SUBPOENA POWER, BECAUSE YOU
KNOW WHAT?
IF SOMEBODY -- AND SOME OF YOU ALL ARE LAWYERS -- IF
SOMEBODY WANTS TO TALK AND DON'T WANT TO TALK TO THEM, I
DON'T HAVE TO SHOW UP.
IF YOU HAND ME A SUBPOENA I HAVE TO SHOW UP.
AND THAT MAKES THAT MUCH MORE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS COUNCIL SHOULD BE DOING THEIR BEST TO
BUILD TRUST IN THE COMMUNITIES THAT FEEL THAT THEY DON'T
HAVE TRUST WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT NOW, OR THAT ANYBODY
IS GOING TO FAIRLY AND OBJECTIVELY HEAR THEIR CONCERNS.
[BELL SOUNDS]
12:53:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
12:53:30PM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
JAMES MICHAEL SHAW ASKED ME TO READ THIS STATEMENT, PLEASE.
THEY WERE MISINFORMED BY COUNCIL FOR TAMPA PD, THAT IT WAS A
FULL-TIME POSITION.
SEVERAL OF THEM SAID THAT THEY THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE VOTING
AGAINST THE FULL-TIME POSITION -- A FULL-TIME ATTORNEY.
THE 6-2 VOTE WAS NOT A VOTE THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT A
PART-TIME ATTORNEY TO BE INDEPENDENT.
12:53:57PM >> ROBIN LOCKETT.
TAXPAYER MONEY, TAXPAYER VOTE.
IT'S FRUSTRATING TO SIT HERE AND SEEING NICKEL AND DIMING OF
TAXPAYER MONEY.

TAXPAYER MONEY, TAXPAYER VOTE.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S SO DIFFICULT TO PUT IT ON THE
BALLOT AND LET PEOPLE VOTE. IF THEY AGREE WITH IT, THEY
AGREE WITH IT.
AND EVERYBODY HAS TO DO WORK TO GET THE WORD OUT, RIGHT?
YOU GUYS HAVE TO DO THE WORK TO GET THE WORD OUT IN REGARDS
TO WHERE YOU STAND.
COMMUNITY HAS TO RALLY TOGETHER TO GET THE WORD OUT TO
CONFIRM WHERE WE STAND.
SO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
WE ARE GOING BACK AND FORTH.
AND LIKE THE YOUNG LADY SAID, WE HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG
TIME.
MULLING OVER.
RETALKING, RETHINKING AND COMING UP WITH OFFERS.
IT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED BEFORE THIS CAME TO THIS POINT RIGHT
NOW.
SO WE CAN'T UNDO STUFF.
AND ALL THE COMPROMISING THAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED SHOULD
HAVE HAPPENED BEFOREHAND.
SO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT AND LET'S VOTE.
12:55:13PM >> JOE ROBINSON.
POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
I USED TO BE THE FIRST VICE PRESIDENT OF NAACP.

I WAS THERE WHEN THE ATTORNEY BRIEFED US.
LET ME EXPLAIN SOMETHING TO YOU.
I AM GOING TO HAVE TO TELL THE TRUTH HERE.
THE ADMINISTRATION MADE A PHONE CALL TO VIRGINIA, AND WE
WANT COPS TO COME HERE AND INVESTIGATE THIS BIKING WHILE
BLACK.
COPS HAS NO ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY.
THE RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU CAN THROW THEM IN THE GARBAGE CAN.
THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT NEVER EVER WAS INVOLVED BECAUSE THE
LETTER THAT THE NAACP WENT WAS HELD UP SO LONG THAT IT CAME
TO THEIR REPORT AND SAID THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO AND
HAVE OVER 100 RECOMMENDATIONS.
BY THE TIME WE HAD A PRESENTATION FOR THE U.S. ATTORNEY,
THEY WERE ALWAYS COMPLETED. SO LET ME GET THAT STRAIGHT.
SO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT NEVER REALLY LOOKED AT THIS.
IT WAS ONLY BY COPS.
OUT OF VIRGINIA. (BELL SOUNDS)
LOOK IT UP.
12:56:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:56:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE ARE MISSING A COUNCILMEMBER FOR THIS
VOTE.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE THE COUNCILMEMBER
HERE.
OH, THERE WE ARE.
AND I JUST ALSO WANTED TO SAY THAT THIS WAS A UNANIMOUS VOTE

ON SECOND READING.
12:57:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
12:57:05PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION -- NOT A MAJORITY VOTE.
CARLSON, VIERA, HURTAK AND GUDES VOTING YES.
MIRANDA, MANISCALCO AND CITRO VOTING NO.
A 4-3 VOTE.
12:57:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WELL, IF YOU SAY THIS HAS TO BE AN
ORDINANCE, THEN I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT AN ORDINANCE.
IF YOU ALL I ARE SAYING THE REASON YOU ARE NOT GOING TO PASS
IT TODAY, SO I EXPECT YOU TO PASS IT TODAY AS AN ORDINANCE.
AND I AM GOING TO RESPECT YOU TO PASS IT ON SECOND READING
OF THIS ORDINANCE.
12:57:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO ONE IS GOING TO TELL ME HOW TO VOTE.
THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE TELL ME.
12:57:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, I AM NOT TALKING TO YOU.
I AM TALKING TO THEM.
AND I HAVE THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW.
I'M SORRY.
SO RIGHT NOW I AM GOING TO PASS AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE
GOVERNMENT OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA THAT --
12:58:20PM >> THE MOTION AT THIS POINT IN TIME WOULD BE OUT OF ORDER
WITH WHAT COUNCIL HAD DECIDED IT WAS GOING TO DO.
12:58:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY, THEN I WILL DO IT LATER.

12:58:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ORDINANCE 2023-04.
12:58:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE ARE GOING TO THE LAST ONE.
12:58:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CORRECT ME.
I'M SORRY.
ORDINANCE 2023-5.
12:58:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
READING AND ADOPTION, RELATING TO THE GOVERNMENT OF THE CITY
OF TAMPA, FLORIDA SUBMITTING TO THE ELECTORS OF THE CITY A
PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE REVISED CHARTER TO THE CITY OF
TAMPA OF 1975 AS AMENDED TO AMEND SECTION 10.10 TO CORRECT A
SCRIVENER'S ERROR AND TO PROVIDE THAT COMMENCING IN 2025 A
CHARTER REVIEW ADVISORY COMMISSION BE ESTABLISHED EVERY
EIGHT YEARS INSTEAD OF EVERY TEN YEARS AND LEGAL COUNSEL AND
A PROFESSIONAL FACILITATOR FOR THE COMMISSION TO BE HIRED
WITH CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
12:59:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
12:59:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A SECOND.
12:59:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT IS A MOTION TO OVERRIDE THE
MAYOR'S VETO.
12:59:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED
BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ANY DISCUSSION?
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:59:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I READ IT SO I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
WE DID HAVE A CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION ESTABLISHED FOR THE

FIRST TIME, WHICH SOME OF US VOTED FOR THAT, AND MANY OF US
WERE ON THAT BOARD, NOT MYSELF, BUT FOUR MEMBERS HERE, AND
THEY DID A VERY, VERY GOOD JOB.
I THINK THAT RECONVENING, OR CONVENING A CHARTER REVIEW
COMMISSION AT A HIGHER FREQUENCY IS HEALTHY BECAUSE YOU HAVE
A FULL BOARD WITH FULL DISCUSSION TO OVERLOOK CHARTER ISSUES
AND THIS IS COMING AROUND THE CORNER IN 2025, SO ISSUES,
WHATEVER THEY MAY BE, CAN BE BROUGHT UP AND VOTED ON AND
THEN BROUGHT TO COUNCIL FOR A VOTE.
I AM IN FULL SUPPORT OF THIS.
1:00:15PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
JUST CORRECT ME, THIS IS JUST A
SCRIVENER'S ERROR?
1:00:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THIS IS INCREASING THE FREQUENCY FROM
EVERY TEN YEARS TO EIGHT.
SO IT WILL BE IN LINE WITH THE NEXT ELECTION, GIVING TIME
FOR THE COMMISSION TO MEET AND DISCUSS AND HAVE --
1:00:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WITHDRAW MY SECOND.
1:00:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M SORRY.
I BELIEVE THIS IS A MINOR SCRIVENER'S ERROR THAT'S UNRELATED
TO THE SUBSTANCE.
IS THAT CORRECT?
MR. MASSEY, I SEE YOU NODDING YES.
BUT IT IS AS CITY COUNCIL HAD TALKED ABOUT, CHANGING IT FROM
EVERY TEN YEARS TO EVERY EIGHT YEARS, AND CHANGING THE DATE
THAT IT WOULD START THAT MUCH SOONER AS TO WHAT IS PRESENTLY

IN THE CHARTER.
1:00:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THERE A SECOND TO COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO?
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
CHIEF BENNETT?
1:01:17PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
THANK YOU.
JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
STICKING WITH THE PROCESS OF INFORMING THE PUBLIC ON THE
MAYOR'S MEMO.
THE HIGHLIGHTED AREA TALKS ABOUT SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE
CONCERN HAS BEEN ABOUT ALL ALONG IS THAT COUNCIL CAN ALREADY
INVOKE A CRC ANYTIME THEY WANT OVER AND ABOVE OTHER
PROCESSES THAT HAVE BEEN DESIGNED FOR A TEN-YEAR SPAN.
SO WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE COULD DO, AND THEN THERE'S THE
QUESTION OF WHAT OTHER OPTIONS THERE WERE.
SO THE MAYOR JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL IS
INFORMED ON THE POSITION, THAT YOU CAN BRING A CRC BACK AND
HAVE A MORE PROLONGED PROCESS TO MAKE SURE WE GET FULL
THROATED ENGAGEMENT BEFORE SOMETHING WENT IN THE HIGHLY
RESPONSIBLE WAY TO THE PUBLIC.
THANK YOU.
1:02:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THERE ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WISHING TO GIVE
PUBLIC COMMENT?
1:02:14PM >> GOOD MORNING, GOOD AFTERNOON, WHATEVER IT IS.

STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHARTER REVIEW
THIS TIME, AND THAT'S LIKE SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS FROM THE
PEOPLE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO THESE CHARTER AMENDMENTS.
SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS WE DON'T LIKE THE WAY YOU DID IT
THIS TIME, BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANT YOU TO DO IT A DIFFERENT
WAY.
I AM JUST SO CONFUSED.
1:02:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
1:02:46PM >> JOE ROBINSON:
IS IT THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WILL BE
RECEIVED INTO THE RECORD SO THE COMPLETE RECORD --
1:02:57PM >> ALL FIVE.
THANK YOU, MR. ROBINSON.
ANYONE ELSE IN CHAMBERS WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
1:03:09PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM LOOKING AT IT, AND IT USED TO BE
EVERY TEN YEARS.
I THINK THIS CITY COUNCIL WITHOUT HAVING ANY INPUT FROM
ANYONE FROM THE COMMUNITY WHO SAT ON THE CHARTER REVIEW
COMMITTEE DECIDED TO DO IT FOUR YEARS LATER SOME NOW WE ARE
GIVING EIGHT YEARS INSTEAD OF FOUR.
THAT'S WHAT IT REALLY IS.
BUT WE VIOLATED OUR OWN INTENT BY NOT HAVING A COMMITTEE OF
CITIZENS SELECTED TO GIVE US THE INPUT FROM THEIR COMMUNITY
TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNEW WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

THAT'S ALL I AM GOING TO SAY.
1:03:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
I WOULD SAY THIS.
I'M SORRY, YOU ARE WAITING?
IS SOMEBODY IN CHAMBERS WANTING TO GIVE MUST BE COMMENT?
PLEASE.
THAT'S WHY I KEEP ASKING YOU, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE?
1:03:51PM >> ROBIN LOCKETT:
SO AGAIN, I'M FRUSTRATED.
SO IF THIS IS PUT ON -- WHEN THIS IS PUT ON THE BALLOT,
WHETHER WE HAVE A MEETING OR NOT, A LOT OF THOSE COMMITTEE
MEETINGS ARE HAND PICKED BY PEOPLE, NOT THE COMMUNITY.
SO IF YOU PUT THIS ON THE BALLOT, PEOPLE CAN VOTE ON IT.
THAT'S A WIDER SPREAD.
A SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT'S CHOSEN BY SOMEBODY TO SIT ON
A COMMITTEE, IT DOESN'T SPEAK FOR THE PEOPLE.
SO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT AND LET EVERYBODY VOTE FOR IT.
IT'S SIMPLE.
NOT NICKEL AND DIMING, AND IT'S FRUSTRATING.
THANK YOU.
1:04:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WAS ON THE CHARTER REVIEW.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MS. POYNOR.
IT TOOK 13 MONTHS FOR THE CHARTER REVIEW.
NOW WE ARE GOING TO ASK THAT THIS BE PUT DOWN IN TIME SO THE
CHARTER CAN BE REVIEWED MORE OFTEN.

AND A TIME WHEN WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ELECTION.
PLACE YOUR VOTE AND RECORD.
1:05:14PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA VOTING NO.
1:05:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
1:05:29PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR, I APOLOGIZE FOR STEPPING OUT FOR
A MINUTE.
I WAS GETTING A DRINK.
WHILE I WAS OUT THERE, I DISCOVERED THAT THE MAYOR RELEASED
A PUSH-POLL COPY. I HAVE COPIES OF THE POLL IF ANYBODY
WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT BUT SHE RELEASED A PUSH POLL DURING
THIS MEETING, AND WHAT SHE DID IN HER POLL WAS SHE NOT ONLY
ASKED IF PEOPLE WOULD VOTE FOR ME VERSUS HER, AND I ALREADY
TOLD HER I WASN'T RUNNING FOR MAYOR AND I ALREADY FILED TO
RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL, BUT THEN SHE ASKED A WHOLE SERIES OF
INFLAMMATORY AND UNTRUE QUESTIONS ABOUT ME, DEMEANING MY
ETHICS, AND THEN SHE ASKED THE QUESTION WHETHER PEOPLE WOULD
REELECTED ME OR NOT.
SO SHE JUST PUT OUT A POLL SAYING THAT ONLY 40% OF THE
PEOPLE WOULD REELECT ME TODAY, THAT'S AFTER ASKING FIVE
NASTY UNTRUE QUESTIONS.
I THINK THAT'S PRETTY SUCCESSFUL, AND I THINK IT'S
DESPICABLE AGAIN.
I KEEP TALKING ABOUT DIRTY TACTICS OF THIS ADMINISTRATION
WHILE WE ARE IN THIS MEETING BECAUSE THEY DISAGREE WITH WHAT
I AM SAYING.

THEY ARE RELEASING A PUSH POLL TO TRY TO DISTRACT THE
COMMUNITY'S ATTENTION AWAY FROM IMPORTANT SUBJECTS.
BY THE WAY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TOILET TO TAP THIS AFTERNOON
SO PUBLIC PLEASE WATCH.
WHY CAN'T THEY JUST PLAY NICE?
THE PUBLIC DOESN'T WANT US FIGHTING ANYMORE.
THEY DON'T WANT FALSE INFORMATION.
THEY DON'T WANT DIRTY POLITICS.
STOP.
MADAM MAYOR, STOP.
I ASKED YOU IN YOUR OFFICE ON FRIDAY, STOP.
TELL YOUR PEOPLE TO STOP.
NOW IT'S YOUR CAMPAIGN PEOPLE ATTACKING US.
WHY CAN'T YOU PLAY FAIR AND HAVE HONEST DISCUSSIONS ABOUT
REAL POLICY?
JUST YOUR PEOPLE ARE SO WEAK AND SO INSECURE THAT YOU JUST
HAVE TO PLAY DIRTY.
YOU KNOW, IF YOUR KID IS ON THE FIELD AND SOMEBODY IS
PUSHING THEM AND PUNCHING THEM AND KICKING THEM, ARE YOU
GOING TO DO SOMETHING EVENTUALLY?
IMAGINE IF THIS IS HAPPENING TO ME AS CITY COUNCIL MEMBER,
IMAGINE WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE PUBLIC BY THIS
ADMINISTRATION.
IT IS DESPICABLE.
STOP, MADAM MAYOR.

STOP.
THE PUBLIC WANTS YOU TO STOP.
I DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR POLL SAYS.
STOP.
1:07:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
1:07:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT THAT.
I ALSO JUST GOT A REQUEST YESTERDAY, SO THEY HAVE STARTED ON
WHAT THEY HAVE STARTED ON WITH EVERYBODY ELSE.
I FINALLY GOT MY FIRST PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST FOR ALL, EVERY
TYPE OF COMMUNICATION, NO DATES, NO DEADLINES, ANONYMOUS.
SO NOW I AM ALSO UNDER THIS INVESTIGATION.
AND JUST ASKING, FINDING TEXT MESSAGES, E-MAILS, THINGS I
HAVE DONE WITH PEOPLE.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I STAY ABOVE THE BOARD.
I DO WHAT I AM SUPPOSED TO DO.
AND PEOPLE SAY, WOW, YOU MUST FEEL BAD.
AND I SAY, NO, NOT REALLY BECAUSE I AM DOING THE RIGHT
THING.
I AM NOT WORRIED ABOUT IT.
AND IT OFTEN FEELS LIKE A PUSH WHERE WE ALWAYS SAY THAT
FOLKS PUT THEIR PERSONAL FEARS ON OTHER PEOPLE, AND I FEEL
LIKE THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
SO THEY ARE JUST GOING AFTER ALL OF US.
THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING.
1:08:29PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CITY COUNCIL WOULD DO EVERYTHING THEY DO

AND IN PARTICULAR TOILET TO TAP.
THIS IS THE BIG THING THEY WANT.
THEY WANT SO MANY BAD THINGS AND THEY WILL DO ANYTHING TO
GET THESE HORRIBLE POLICIES PASSED.
PLEASE, MADAM MAYOR, CALL A HALT TO THESE ATTACKS.
IT'S POLITICAL SEASON.
YOU DON'T HAVE AN OPPONENT YET.
YOU HAVE 24 HOURS.
CALL A HALT TO THESE ATTACKS.
THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
1:08:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
1:08:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AGREE IF IT IS ADMINISTRATION OR AN
INDIVIDUAL. I DON'T KNOW WHO IS DOING IT.
I DON'T EVEN ANSWER POLLS.
I DON'T EVEN LOOK AT THEM.
A GUY WROTE ME A WEEK OR SO AGO, I DIDN'T EVEN OPEN IT UP.
I DON'T DO THOSE THINGS.
I DON'T LOOK AT THEM OR THINK ABOUT THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE
ALL RIDICULOUS
PUSH POLLS ARE TERRIBLE.
THEY ONLY CHANGE THE SUBJECT MATTER TO WHATEVER THEY WANT
THE ANSWER TO BE.
AND IF IT'S THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, THEY SHOULD BE TOLD TO STOP
WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
HOWEVER, ON THE OTHER ISSUE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT PEOPLE ASKING

FOR PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS, WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF PUBLIC
RECORDS REQUESTS COME TO THIS CITY.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THIS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT COUNCILMEMBER
HURTAK IS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SUBJECT MATTER WAS SO I AM
NOT GOING TO ADDRESS IT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW.
BUT WE HAVE BEEN INUNDATED BY THIS PUSH POLL -- PUBLIC
RECORDS REQUESTS TO THE POINT THAT WE CAN HARDLY KEEP UP
WITH THEM.
THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND THOSE THAT ARE DOING THE WORK, THEY
DESERVE SOME KUDOS BECAUSE THEY ARE WEARING OUT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
1:10:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANT TO REPLY TO COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
THAT'S THE MOST INTERESTING PART.
THERE'S NOTHING THEY ARE LOOKING FOR.
THEY ARE LITERARILY LOOKING FOR EVERY SINGLE E-MAIL, AND
THAT'S THE THING THAT'S JUST GOING TO -- YOU ARE RIGHT, IT'S
FISHING.
SO I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.
BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT DON'T
NECESSARILY AGREE.
NOW, WHETHER IT'S THE ADMINISTRATION OR NOT, PEOPLE WHO ARE
JUST NOT WILLING TO RUBBER STAMP, THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING TO
US AND IT'S REALLY UNFORTUNATE, AND, YOU KNOW --
1:10:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
1:10:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I JUST WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO THE PUBLIC

TODAY.
YOU CAME HERE TO LISTEN AND VOICE YOUR CONCERNS.
FIRST THING ON THE COUNCIL, MR. MIRANDA SAYS, YOU DON'T GET
MAD AT SOMEBODY.
I HAD TO LEARN THAT THE FIRST TIME.
SO I CAN'T GET MAD HOW ANYBODY VOTED TODAY.
BECAUSE THEY VOTED WITH THEIR CONSCIENCE.
THEY VOTED POLITICALLY, HOWEVER THEY VOTE.
THAT'S NOT MY CONCERN.
MY CONCERN IS HOW I VOTE, AND HOW MY PEOPLE TELL ME TO VOTE.
I DON'T GO INTO POLITICS, DON'T WORRY ABOUT ENDORSEMENTS,
BECAUSE YOU TELL ME ALL THE TIME, I DIDN'T LOSE, I JUST
DIDN'T GET ENOUGH VOTES. SO YOU DON'T VOTE FOR ME IF YOU
DON'T LIKE THE JOB I DO.
YOU DO VOTE FOR ME IF YOU LIKE THE WORK I DO.
I TOLD MR. BENNETT, AND I DON'T HAVE TO LIKE YOU, BUT I AM
GOING TO RESPECT YOU.
I DON'T HAVE TO LIKE ANYBODY, BUT I AM GOING TO RESPECT YOU.
I AM GOING TO DO THE JOB YOU TELL ME TO DO AND I AM GOING TO
FIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE.
AND WHEN THERE'S SOMETHING NOT RIGHT I WILL SAY HEY, AND I
WILL TELL THE PEOPLE I DON'T THINK THIS IS RIGHT.
SO I APOLOGIZE TO SOMEONE WHO SAT HERE ALL DAY.
BEEN HERE A WHILE.
I WISH THE PROCESS WOULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE FASTER BECAUSE I

THOUGHT THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN VERY SIMPLE.
YOU KNOW, YOU VOTE, YOU DIDN'T VOTE, BUT ALL OF THE
DISCUSSIONS, I JUST THINK IT'S A TRAVESTY FOR THE VOTERS.
AND THOSE WHO CAME BY HAVE OBLIGATIONS, SO AGAIN I
APOLOGIZE.
I CAN'T FAULT ANYBODY ELSE.
AND GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
1:12:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A TIME CERTAIN 1:30.
IT'S A HEARING.
1:12:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT'S TRUE BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE
CONTINUED SO IT'S REALLY IRRELEVANT
1:12:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
BE BACK AT 2:30.
[ RECESS ]

[ROLL CALL]
2:33:20PM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
2:33:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
UPDATES IS A NO, SO WE ARE GOING TO GO WITH
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8, IS THAT CORRECT?
2:33:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT WOULD BE CHIEF TRIPP IF SHE IS HERE.
2:33:46PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
COUNTING NUMBERS HERE; WE NEED FIVE. MORE
THAN A QUORUM. JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
JUST INTRODUCING CHIEF TRIPP TO REDO THE RESIDENCY WAIVER
FOR A YEAR.
SO THAT'S THE TOPIC.
AND THEN ITEM 8, I THINK CHIEF TRIPP WANTED TO BUNDLE THEM

TOGETHER.
FOR COUNCILMAN GUDES' SAKE, ASKING FOR A WAIVER FOR CHIEF
TRIPP'S RESIDENCY FOR ANOTHER YEAR.
THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE FLOOR.
2:34:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SO WE ARE GOING TO GO TO -- I'M SORRY?
2:34:32PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
ITEM 37.
2:34:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ITEM 37 FIRST AND THEN WE WILL TALK ABOUT
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8.
SO LET'S GO TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 37.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, THAT'S UNDER YOUR FINANCE COMMITTEE AND
I BELIEVE THERE'S A RESOLUTION THERE.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:34:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN I READ THROUGH THIS
DOCUMENTATION IS THAT THIS ACTUALLY, THIS WAIVER WAS
SUPPOSED TO END IN JUNE?
2:35:04PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
CORRECT.
2:35:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT IS JANUARY.
2:35:10PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
CORRECT.
2:35:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO US?
2:35:14PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I CAN TRY.
SO THE DEPARTMENT HEAD IN THIS CASE, CHIEF TRIPP, AND THE
LEGAL DEPARTMENT, WHO WOULD DO THE RESOLUTION, APPARENTLY
THERE WAS A DISCONNECT ON THAT EXPIRATION.
THAT'S WHY IT'S BEEN PUT IN A NUNC PRO TUNC WHICH MEANS

RETROACTIVE TO JUNE.
SO ANYBODY COULD FIGURE THE CHIEF IS IN THE CITY WITHOUT
KNOWING, AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT WOULDN'T KNOW TO DO IT
WITHOUT THAT CONVERSATION.
SO THE WIRES GOT CROSSED AND SOMEHOW IT DIDN'T GET CAUGHT
FOR THE JUNE UPDATE.
SO IT'S KIND OF ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT THERE'S NOT
NECESSARILY -- I THINK LEGAL MAY HAVE -- I DON'T WANT TO
SPEAK FOR ANDREA, BUT CROSS CHECK WITH THE DEPARTMENT HEAD
TO MAKE SURE THEY NEED TO RENEW, AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE CHANGE
THEIR RESIDENCY AND YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOU STILL NEED IT OR
NOT.
SO IT'S A LEARNING PROCESS FOR THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND
LEGAL TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T MISS IT.
2:36:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO IT'S GOING FROM JUNE TO JUNE?
2:36:16PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
YES.
GO TO JUNE AND COME BACK TO JUNE UNLESS IT'S NOT NEEDED
ANYMORE IN JUNE.
2:36:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY, GREAT.
THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANT TO DO IS, THIS IS WHAT THE
SECOND ONE WE HAVE HAD IN A MONTH.
I THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER --
ABOUT THE EFFICACY OF THIS.
I THINK NOW IS NOT THE TIME.
BUT IT SEEMS THAT THESE KEEP GETTING BROUGHT TO US SO WE

NEED TO DECIDE AS A COUNCIL, AS A CITY, IF WE WANT TO AVOID
THE RESIDENCY WAIVER OR ABSOLUTELY COME SOLID WITH A CERTAIN
NUMBER OF YEARS, BUT I BELIEVE IT WOULD BEHOOVE ALL OF US TO
HAVE THE CONVERSATION.
I AM NOT ADVOCATING FOR ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
I JUST THINK THAT THE PUBLIC KEEPS ASKING ME ABOUT THIS.
AND SO LET'S ALL MAKE A DECISION TOGETHER IN THE FUTURE.
2:37:08PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
JUST SO I AM CLEAR SO I CAN HELP WITH STAFF
AND LEGAL DEPARTMENT, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING RIGHT NOW YOU
GET ONE WITH TWO POSSIBLE EXTENSIONS.
AND SO ARE YOU TELLING ME YOU WANT TO LOOK AT EITHER KEEPING
THAT OR CHANGING IT?
2:37:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
POSSIBLY.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THESE KEEP COMING IN FRONT OF US.
SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT -- WHEN WE PASSED THIS AT THE
CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, THINGS LOOKED VERY DIFFERENT.
THIS CITY WAS WILDLY DIFFERENT, FINDING A HOUSE HERE WAS NOT
WHAT IT IS TODAY.
2:37:43PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
SURE.
2:37:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WHY I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR
ALL OF US TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT WE EXPECT FROM
DEPARTMENT HEADS, AND WHAT THAT CAN LOOK LIKE, THINKING
ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE -- BECAUSE I KNOW WE ARE CONSTANTLY
BRINGING IN NEW PEOPLE AND HOW THAT LOOKS.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE JUST HAVE A VERY, VERY PUBLIC ISSUE WITH

THAT. SO -- WITH THE FORMER POLICE CHIEF.
SO I JUST THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT FOLKS ASK ME
ABOUT IT.
I WANT TO HAVE A SOLID ANSWER, AND, WELL, WE DO THIS, BUT
THEN WE ALLOW FOR A BUNCH OF WAIVERS IS AGAIN, I THINK,
MAYBE SOMETHING WE NEED TO REVISIT IN THE CURRENT HOUSING
CLIMATE AND POPULATION CLIMATE.
2:38:26PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
AND IF I CAN OFFER ANY ANALYSIS ON THAT.
2:38:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
I WILL MAKE A MOTION LATER TO JUST BRING THIS IN FRONT OF US
TO LOOK AT SOME DATA, AGAIN JUST HAVE A MORE PUBLIC
CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.
2:38:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:38:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IN TERMS OF RESIDENCY, US AS CANDIDATES
ARE ELECTED OR WHATEVER, YOU ARE IN A DISTRICT OR YOU ARE IN
THE CITY, WHATEVER IT IS, YOU HAVE YOUR SIX MONTHS OR 12
MONTHS AHEAD OF AN ELECTION FOR RESIDENCY IN THE CITY.
SO THAT'S A VERY BRIEF WINDOW COMPARED TO POSSIBLY A
THREE-YEAR TOTAL RESIDENCY WAIVER.
SO THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT WE SHOULD HAVE, BECAUSE IT HAS
COME UP MULTIPLE TIMES OVER THE YEARS THAT I CAN REMEMBER.
SO GOOD BRINGING THAT UP.
THANK YOU.
2:39:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:39:17PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THINK IN DOING IT, THIS COUNCIL SHOULD

HAVE A LIST OF WHO THE DEPARTMENT HEAD IS, AND ALSO DEFINE
WHO IS UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THOSE TIME FRAMES.
WE HAVE SOME ISSUES.
I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A RUNNING LIST OR A POLICY FOR SOME
TYPE OF HR THAT WE KNOW SO THESE DON'T OCCUR.
WE SHOULD KNOW WHEN IT COMES UP SIX MONTHS PRIOR, HEY, THAT
TIME IS COMING UP AND SO FORTH.
I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE AN ACTUAL PROCESS IN PLACE.
2:39:48PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
YES, WE AGREE.
2:39:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:39:51PM >>BILL CARLSON:
FIRST OF ALL, I THINK CHIEF TRIPP IS GREAT.
I ENJOY WORKING WITH HER.
AND I ENJOY WORKING WITH A LOT OF THE SENIOR STAFF.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE IN THE SENIOR LEVEL
TEAM.
I WAS ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AND I WAS ONE OF THE
ONES THAT PUSHED TO KEEP THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT.
BUT IT'S ONLY FOR THE SENIOR MANAGEMENT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT OTHER STAFF COME AND GO AND WE, BUT AS I
GO AROUND AND MEET WITH RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE
POLICE CHIEF INCIDENT, NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS, HOMEOWNERS,
EVERYONE, THEY ARE SAYING WHY ARE THESE PEOPLE NOT RESIDENTS
OF THE CITY?
AND SO IT'S NOT JUST MY OPINION, AS I HAVE GONE AROUND
PEOPLE WITHOUT ASKING HAVE BEEN TELLING ME THIS.

SO MY QUESTION, SORRY IF I MISSED THIS.
MORRIS, COULD YOU TELL US WHAT I RECALL IS THAT -- BECAUSE
OF THE PROBLEMS OF THE LAST ADMINISTRATION, A SENIOR LEVEL
MANAGER, BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ABOUT IT WE PUT IN
THE CHARTER I THINK ONE YEAR AND ONE YEAR EXTENSION OR
SOMETHING.
IT WILL THIS EXTENSION WORK WITHIN --
2:41:00PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THAT'S ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO MAKE
CLEAR TO YOU ALL IS THAT THE RESIDENCY ISSUE FOR THE PUBLIC,
IT'S SPELLED OUT IN THE CHARTER.
2:41:10PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF SHE CAME BACK AND ASKED FOR ANOTHER ONE.
2:41:14PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
SHE CAN ASK FOR ONE MORE.
IT'S UP TO YOU ALL TO APPROVE THE WAIVER.
YOU COULD ASK WHY.
WE COULD COME UP WITH POLICIES ABOUT WHAT'S APPROPRIATE, TO
REQUEST A WAIVER.
THE PARTIAL CONCEPT WAS WHEN WE HIRED SENIOR LEVEL PERSONS,
THEY MAY NOT LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AT THAT TIME, AND
THEY MAY HAVE KIDS IN SCHOOL, THERE MAY BE REASONS WHY WE
THEY CANNOT MOVE INTO THE CITY OF TAMPA SO THERE WAS AN
IDEA, IT'S UP TO COUNCIL TO APPROVE AT LEAST A ONE-YEAR
WAIVER UPON THEIR INITIAL APPOINTMENT AND THEY CAN ASK FOR
TWO OR THREE, TWO EXTENSIONS, AND.
2:42:06PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THREE TOTAL.
SO WHATEVER THE TIME IS, THE CHARTER, IT APPLIES TO ME AS

WELL AS ADMINISTRATION, AND IF IT SAYS FINE, THEN I AM OKAY
WITH IT.
THANK YOU.
2:42:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING CHIEF TRIPP.
YES, I APPRECIATE HER AND HAPPY TO HAVE YOU HERE.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO --
2:42:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE MOTIONS --
2:42:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY, NO PROBLEM.
2:42:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO PUT IN MY INPUT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I DO APPRECIATE IT.
THERE IS CONCERN I HAVE.
I HAD THIS AT CHARTER REVIEW.
WE NEED OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS IN CASE
OF AN EMERGENCY.
LET'S JUST SAY HURRICANE IAN. WE WANT THEM AT THE EMERGENCY
COMMAND CENTER.
SOMEONE WHO LIVES IN BRANDON JUST THREE MILES FROM THERE.
SOMEONE LIVES IN SOUTH GEORGIA.
SOUTH GEORGIA.
ARE WE JUSTIFYING LIVING IN THE CITY LIMITS, OR ARE WE
JUSTIFYING THE SHORTEST DISTANCE BETWEEN THE HOME AND THE
EMERGENCY CENTER?
THAT'S JUST A QUESTION I NEED TO THROW OUT THERE.
THANK YOU.
2:43:30PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I WILL SAY QUICKLY, FIRST I WANT TO THANK

COUNCIL FOR WORKING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION ON THE WAIVERS
TO GET THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST AND SUPPORTING THAT.
SO AN ELONGATED THANK YOU.
AS A BENEFICIARY OF THAT ONE WHEN I FIRST CAME BACK TO THE
CITY, AND HAVING OWNED TWO HOMES IN THIS AREA THROUGHOUT MY
CAREER.
BUT THE SECOND THING IS, WE DO POLICY AT CERTAIN LEVELS
DEPENDING ON YOUR JOB DESCRIPTION ABOUT RESPONSE TIME.
I WAS ON THE RESPONSE TEAM AND SPECIAL OPERATIONS FOR MANY
YEARS, AND THE RESPONSE TIME MATTERED.
SO PART OF YOUR ABILITY TO DO THAT WASN'T AT THE CHARTER
LEVEL BUT AT THE OPERATIONS LEVEL SO THERE IS SOME OF THAT
BUILT IN.
2:44:06PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
MS. ZELMAN JUST REMINDED ME THE RESIDENCY
ISSUE IS SCHEDULED TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL ON THE 16th
OF FEBRUARY SO IT'S ALREADY ON YOUR MOTION TRACKER FOR THE
COMING CALENDAR SO THIS WILL COME BACK FOR DISCUSSION VERY
SOON.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT ANY WAIVER THAT YOU ALL WOULD GRANT
OF THIS REQUIRES A SUPER MAJORITY UNDER THE CHARTER, SO
THAT'S FIVE OF YOU ALL TO VOTE FOR THE WAIVER.
2:44:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APPRECIATE THAT.
I AM JUST GOING TO AT THE VERY END OF TONIGHT JUST ADD TO
THE MOTION FOR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT JUST TO MAKE SURE WE
HAVE THE DATA IN THAT MOTION SO THAT FOLKS ARE NOT PREPARED

FOR THE 16th, BUT I HAD FORGOTTEN THAT SO THANK YOU.
2:44:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, THIS IS YOUR COMMITTEE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE THIS RESOLUTION?
2:45:01PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
2:45:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
CHIEF TRIPP, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8.
2:45:22PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
FIRE CHIEF.
I DID PRESENT A MEMO IN PRESENTING THIS AGENDA ITEM.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, I JUST WANT TO LET YOU
KNOW THAT MY PLAN IS TO IMPLEMENT AN ADDITIONAL RESOURCE IN
THE SOUTH OF GANDY AREA, AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF AN INCIDENT
THAT TOOK PLACE.
I HAVE BEEN IN THIS POSITION FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF.
I HAVE REVIEWED A LOT OF DATA, A LOT OF MOTIONS, BUT THE
LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS
OF THE FIRE SERVICE.
SO UNLESS THE ADMINISTRATION HAS DATA ON THAT INFORMATION AS
WELL AS EQUIPMENT, I DISCUSSED ABOUT EQUIPMENT, SUPPLY
CHANGE SHORTAGE, MANUFACTURERS, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS OF WHY
WE DON'T HAVE CERTAIN ADDITIONAL RESCUE CARS, WHICH I PUT IN
FOR.
SO WE ARE WORKING ON THAT.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RESPONSE TIME, WE CAN SAY, HEY, CALL 911,
IT TAKES TEN MINUTES TO GET THERE.
A LOT OF THINGS GO INTO PLAY WITH THAT, FROM THE DISPATCHER
ACTUALLY DISPATCHING OUT TO THE UNITS, THE UNITS GETTING OUT
OF THE STATION AND THEN FROM THE STATION TO THE SCENE.
OKAY.
SO WITH ALL OF THAT, I HAVE REVIEWED A LOT OF THAT DATA AND
INFORMATION, AND I AM PLACING RESOURCES WHERE THEY ARE
NEEDED.
NOW, I KNOW WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS FOR INDIVIDUAL FIRE
STATIONS.
I AM NOT GOING TO TEAR ONE DOWN.
BUT WHEN YOU SAY FIRE STATIONS I AM LOOKING FOR RESOURCES.
OKAY, I CAN HAVE THE FIRE STATION BUT IT'S NOT AFFECTED BY
NOT HAVING THE RESOURCES.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID BASED ON THE DATA AND BASED ON THE
INFORMATION FROM THE ANALYSIS OF LAST YEAR, IT SHOWS THAT WE
NEED TO ADD SOME MORE RESOURCES, AND THAT'S WHAT I AM DOING.
SO WHEN WE COME TO TALK ABOUT STANDARDS, AND TAMPA FIRE
RESCUE IS WITHIN STANDARDS, WE ACTUALLY GET OUR
ACCREDITATION THROUGH CFAI AND WE GET THEIR ACCREDITATION.
IT'S LIKE NATIONAL STANDARDS.
SO WE NEED ALL THOSE TO RECEIVE ACCREDITATION.
THIS IS THROUGH THE CENTER FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, SO WE MEET
THOSE QUALIFICATIONS, AND BASICALLY OUR STANDARD OF COVERAGE

STATES WE SHOULD RESPOND TO 90 PERCENT OF OUR CALLS WITHIN
8.5 MINUTES AND THAT'S WHAT I AM FOCUSING ON.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, AS WE TALK ABOUT SOUTH OF GANDY, AS WE
TALK ABOUT SOUTH OF GANDY, AS WE TALK ABOUT EAST TAMPA, WEST
TAMPA, NORTH TAMPA, ALL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, I AM LOOKING
TO ADD ADDITIONAL RESOURCES WITH THAT.
2:47:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:47:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I KNOW THE NEXT ITEM, ITEM NUMBER 9 IS GOING TO BE ABOUT A
SAFETY IMPACT FEE TO FUND THESE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT WE ARE
PLAYING WITH FIRE.
NOT TRYING TO BE FUNNY.
BUT WHEN WE HAVE SITUATIONS LIKE WHAT HAPPENED SOUTH OF
GANDY, WHATEVER THE STORY IS OR ISN'T, OUR CITY IS GROWING
SO QUICKLY, AND WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE HERE.
WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE COMING HERE SAYING, SO MANY
APARTMENTS, SO MUCH TRAFFIC, EVACUATION.
WE DON'T HAVE THE BASIC NECESSITATES TO MEET THE PUBLIC
SAFETY DEMANDS.
GOD FORBID THERE'S A SITUATION IN DOWNTOWN THAT -- AND WE
HAVE A LOT OF HIGH-RISE, A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL WHERE YOU HAVE
RESCUE VEHICLES GOING TO ONE OF THESE SITUATIONS AND
SOMEBODY NEEDS HELP DOWN THE STREET, AND RESCUE VEHICLE IS
TOO FAR AWAY TO GET THERE IN TIME.
WE CAN'T CONTINUE LIKE THAT.

WHEN YOU PLAN A CITY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE
NEEDS, THE ROADS, THE PEDESTRIAN, AMENITIES, TRANSPORTATION.
BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE POLICE OFFICERS, THE FIREFIGHTERS
TO MEET THE RATIO.
YOU CAN'T HAVE A THOUSAND PEOPLE, WHATEVER THE RATIO IS, I
DON'T KNOW.
I HAVEN'T DONE THE MATH ON IT.
BUT WE ARE NOT KEEPING UP WITH THE DEMAND AND TAMPA IS
GROWING SO MUCH.
IT'S SPREAD OUT.
WE WERE JOKING ABOUT NEW TAMPA, TAMPA IS BIG, AND WE HAVE
SAFETY NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE, CITY CENTER.
I AM NOT CRITICIZING THAT BUT IF WE COULD FIND THAT MONEY OR
WASTE TO ENERGY OR THESE OTHER PROJECTS, WE COULD FIND THE
MONEY TO PUT TOWARDS PUBLIC SAFETY.
PERHAPS THE PUBLIC SERVICE IMPACT FEE IS ONE THING BECAUSE
THAT WILL AFFECT -- AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER -- NEW
CONSTRUCTION AND WHATNOT.
SO IT'S NOT AFFECTING THE EXISTING PEOPLE.
I WILL LOOK AT THE DETAILS AND TALK ABOUT IT.
BUT WITH SO MUCH GROWTH, WE NEED TO STRIKE WHILE THE IRON IS
HOT, FIRE IS HOT.
I AM THROWING ALL THESE THINGS OUT THERE IN THIS DISCUSSION.
BUT WE SHOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SITUATION.
WE COMPLAIN, OH, THERE'S SO MUCH GROWTH IN TAMPA.

BUT LET'S PUT THAT TO OUR BENEFIT AND MEET THE BACKLOG THAT
WE NEED TO CATCH UP ON, AS TAMPA CONTINUES TO GROW.
WE ARE JUST GOING TO KEEP DIGGING OURSELVES DEEPER INTO THIS
HOLE AND HAVE INADEQUATE FIRE SAFETY, RESCUE AND -- AND WE
ARE TALKING ABOUT VEHICLES THAT ARE 30 YEARS OLD.
IT DOESN'T WORK.
AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE SITUATIONS, HOPEFULLY NOT,
SITUATIONS POSSIBLY THAT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO RESPOND IN A
QUICK ENOUGH MANNER, AND PROVIDE THE SAFETY AND THE SERVICES
THAT THE PEOPLE DESERVE.
THANK YOU.
2:50:42PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
CAN I RESPOND?
I AGREE WITH YOU.
TAMPA IS GROWING.
PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS TO GROW WITH IT.
THAT'S WHAT I AM DOING.
I AM GROWING AS MUCH AS I CAN WITH THE CITY.
I AM HIRING INDIVIDUALS.
I AM GETTING EQUIPMENT.
WE APPLIED FOR MANY, MANY GRANTS.
WE HAVE RECEIVED A LOT OF GRANTS TO HELP WITH EQUIPMENT, TO
HELP OFFSET.
SO I AGREE WITH YOU 100% AND THAT'S MY PLAN, IS TO PUT
RESOURCES THERE.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO RESPONSE TIME AS WELL, OR RESPONDING TO

CUSTOMER NEEDS NOT THERE, WE HAVE POLICIES IN PLACE TO MOVE
UNITS AROUND TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS FOR THAT.
SO I HAVE INTERNAL POLICIES AS WELL.
WE HAVE MADE RECOMMENDATIONS TO ALL THE CREWS AS FAR AS
RESPONSE TIME, BEING ABLE, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS.
EVERYTHING YOU ARE SEE R SAYING, I AGREE WITH YOU.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I AM DOING.
2:51:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AND I WILL FINISH UP WITH THIS AND
THANK YOU.
BUT WE HAVE OUR FRIENDS WITH THE UNION RIGHT BEHIND YOU.
WE HAVE THE MAYOR.
THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTICLES TO BE THIS.
BUT WE HAVE TO BUILD BRIDGES AND WORK TOGETHER.
YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE REQUESTS TO BRING IT TO YOU, YOU BRING
IT TO US.
WE WORK THE BUDGET.
WE WORK WITH THE ADMINISTRATION.
WE WORK WITH THE MAYOR.
THEY WORK WITH THE MAYOR.
BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE OPEN DIALOGUE.
WE CAN'T LOOK AT ANYBODY AS AN ENEMY.
WE HAVE TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE PUBLIC.
AND IN PUBLIC SAFETY, YOU KNOW, THEREBY CAN'T BE ROOM FOR
ARGUING.
WHATEVER.

POLITICS IS POLITICS BUT WE HAVE A GOAL.
AND THE END GOAL IS TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE SERVICES FOR OUR
COMMUNITY.
SO I'LL STOP THERE.
THANK YOU.
2:52:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:52:11PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WANT TO JUST GO AND GET RIGHT INTO IT.
AND TALK WITH THE UNION REPRESENTATIVE, PRESIDENT, HE HAD
SOME CONCERNS.
EVERYONE HAS IDEAS, AND I SAID THAT LAST TIME, AND I DON'T
THINK WE GOT THAT COFFEE YET, BUT IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WANT
THE UNION PRESIDENT, BECAUSE YOU TALKED ABOUT THE CHASSIS
AND THINGS LAST TIME, AND THEY ARE OUT THERE, YOU SAID YOU
HAVE A COPY, AND TALK ABOUT AT THE STATION'S RESPONSE TIMES,
AND TALK ABOUT THE OLD APPARATUS, AND SO MANY THINGS YOU
HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE ADMINISTRATION.
BUT ON THE RECORD I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IN THE CITY DURING A
CERTAIN TIME, WHAT HAVE YOU.
I WANT TO HEAR FROM THEM WHAT HIS CONCERNS ARE,
SO HE CAN TELL US TODAY WHAT HE'S SAYING AND WHAT HIS
FIREFIGHTERS ARE SAYING, OR HOW WE CAN PROVIDE OR HOW WE CAN
PROVIDE.
SO IF YOU DON'T MIND, MR. PRESIDENT, COME UP, SIR.
2:53:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IF WE CAN GET THROUGH THE REST OF THE
QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL.

NO OFFENSE TO YOU.
2:53:34PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO.
2:53:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMAN VIERA AND THEN GO TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:53:41PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
A LOT OF GOOD POINTS MADE.
SORRY.
AND I THANK COUNCILMAN CARLSON FOR MAKING THIS MOTION FOR
SOUTH TAMPA.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES I ALWAYS COME BACK TO IS
HAVING A FRANK DISCUSSION.
I THINK WE ALL AGREE IN TERMS OF WHERE WE SHOULD BE AT.
I THINK THE ISSUE IS GOING TO BE IN TERMS OF HOW WE SHOULD
BE THERE WHICH I ALWAYS SAY WE NEED TO HAVE A FRANK
DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA WHEN WE IDENTIFY WHAT ALL
OF OUR SAFETY DEFICITS ARE THROUGH THE PUBLIC SAFETY PLAN.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A DECENT AMOUNT OF MONEY, RIGHT?
BUT HAVING A FRANK DISCUSSION WITH THE PUBLIC IN TERMS OF
HOW WE ARE GOING TO GET FROM POINT A TO B IN TERMS OF MONEY.
IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP WITH REGARDS TO PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT
FEES, OTHER PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT MILLAGE RATES.
WHATEVER IT MAY BE, WE HAVE TO HAVE A FRANK DISCUSSION WITH
THE PUBLIC IN SAYING, LOOK, THESE ARE THE SERVICES THAT YOU
WANT WHENEVER IT COMES TO FIRE AND POLICE, AND WE ARE GOING
TO NEED X AMOUNT OF MONEY AND THESE ARE OUR OPTIONS FOR THAT

X AMOUNT OF MONEY, AND THAT'S WHY FOR ME THE PUBLIC SAFETY
MASTER PLAN IS SO IMPORTANT SO WE CAN SEE WHERE ALL OF OUR
DEFICITS ARE AT, SEE THE MONETARY DEFICITS AND HAVE THAT
DISCUSSION WITH RESPONSIBLE ELECTED OFFICIAL WAS THE PUBLIC
IN TERMS OF HOW TO REMEDY THOSE DEFICITS.
SO AGAIN, A GREAT DISCUSSION, AND I KNOW THAT IN THIS AREA
SOUTH OF GANDY, PARTICULARLY, LIKE NEW TAMPA, HAS BEEN
EXPLODING SIGNIFICANTLY, AND THIS IS OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THE
BIGGEST ISSUES.
SO GLAD TO SEE IT.
GLAD TO SEE THAT MEMO AND WHATNOT.
AND I LOOK FORWARD IN ABOUT MAYBE FIVE OR SO WEEKS FOR THAT
PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN.
2:55:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:55:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MANY OF YOU KNOW I DO MONTHLY RIDE-ALONG WAS
BOTH POLICE AND FIRE, AND THE FIRE SYSTEM KEEPS FIGHTING
OVER ME BECAUSE I HAVE VERY FEW CALLS.
ANYTIME I GO.
I WAS AT FIRE STATION 13 AND IN SIX HOURS I GOT TWO CALLS.
I KNOW, THEY KEEP SAYING GO OTHER PLACES BUT THIS IS USUALLY
PRETTY SLAMMED.
BUT THE ONE CALL I DID GET TO GO ON, WE TOOK AN OVERDOSE
PATIENT TO THE HOSPITAL AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE CREW
THAT WAS ON THAT DAY TALKED TO ME ABOUT, AND I SAW FIRSTHAND
WHEN WE GOT THERE, WERE THE 12 UNITS HANGING OUT WAITING.

AND AGAIN, HAD I NOT DONE THAT, THAT RIDE-ALONG, I DON'T
THINK I WOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS.
AND ALL OF THE CREWS THAT DAY, WE HAVE BEEN TOLD WE HAVE TO
WAIT, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO ACTUALLY BE INPUT INTO THE
HOSPITAL, AND UNTIL THEN, THEY ARE TECHNICALLY SUPPOSED TO
STAY WITH THE CREW, BUT IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN, IT'S
THE HOSPITAL'S RESPONSIBILITY, AND WE HAVEN'T QUITE FIGURED
THAT OUT.
WELL, IT'S COMPLETELY ABOVE MY PAY GRADE.
AND I SAID, WELL, I DON'T THINK IT'S ABOVE MINE BECAUSE IT'S
MY JOB.
BUT IT'S WANT TO ASK CHIEF BENNETT, YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING ON
THAT SOMEWHAT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE, CHIEF TRIPP,
BUT WHERE WE ARE AND HOW WE ARE WORKING WITH THE HOSPITALS
TO TRY TO FIX THAT.
BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC KNOWS THAT OUR RESCUE
PERSONNEL TO BE IN A HOSPITAL FOR EIGHT HOURS.
2:57:05PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
OF COURSE, THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES AS WELL,
BUT OF COURSE IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE STAFFING THEY CANNOT
RECEIVE THE PATIENT.
SO WITH THAT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS WE HAVE BEEN
MEETING WITH CERTAIN PARTICULAR HOSPITALS.
IT'S NOT ALL OF THEM.
YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE IN PARTICULAR.
AND RIGHT NOW MY RESCUE CHIEF IS GOING OVER AREAS FOR

IMPROVEMENT ON THEIR SIDE.
A LOT OF IT IS ON THEIR SIDE.
IT'S NOT TAMPA FIRE RESCUE.
IT'S NOT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE.
IT'S IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE STAFFING, THEY DON'T HAVE THE
PLACEMENT AND OVERCROWDING.
SO IT'S MULTIPLE ITEMS.
BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, SPEAKING WITH THE OTHER
FACILITIES, WE HAVE A TIMELINE WHEN OUR UNITS ARE ON
DISPATCH NOTICE, RESCUE, AND BEEN AT THIS HOSPITAL X AMOUNT
OF MINUTES.
MY RESCUE CHIEF IS NOTIFIED.
HE CONTACTS THE CEO.
THEY EXCHANGE NUMBERS, WHAT'S GOING ON, SO THE FEEDBACK WILL
COME BACK TO HIM, AND LET HIM KNOW, WHAT'S THE HOLDUP?
SO AT LEAST THERE'S COMMUNICATION GOING ON IS WHAT I AM
SAYING.
SO HE HAS THE NUMBER, YOU KNOW, TO I GUESS -- RIGHT THERE AT
THE EMERGENCY ROOM.
WHEN DISPATCH SAYS OUR UNIT HAS BEEN AT THIS HOSPITAL FOR X
AMOUNT OF TIME, MY RESCUE CHIEF IS NOTIFIED, HE CONTACTS THE
HOSPITAL TO FIND OUT WHAT THE PROBLEM, WHAT'S THE DELAY.
AND IF YOU HAVE A NONEMERGENT PATIENT, THEN -- AND THAT'S
NATIONWIDE.
THAT'S NOT JUST US.

2:58:37PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
CHIEF OF STAFF.
2:58:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
I APOLOGIZE.
2:58:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAD BOTH OF THEM.
2:58:46PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
SO THE FEEDBACK I WOULD OFFER, THE FOUR
DATA POINTS THAT I THINK DRIVE THE DECISIONS ARE WHAT WE
CALL RESPONSE TIME, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING
ABOUT, WAS CALLED UNIT ALLOCATION, HOW BUSY THE PARTICULAR
UNIT.
WHAT IS THE TURNOVER TIME AT THE HOSPITAL?
AND WHAT IS OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PRIVATE AMBULANCE
COMPANY?
BECAUSE ALL FOUR OF THOSE THINGS IN OUR COMMUNITY MAKE THE
DIFFERENCE.
AND SO THERE'S A PRIVATE AMBULANCE SERVICE OUT THERE THAT
HAS A BUSINESS MODEL, AND A LOT OF THAT IS DRIVEN BY A
DIFFERENT METHODOLOGY THAN THE WAY PUBLIC SAFETY DRIVES
THERE, THEN YOU HAVE THE HOSPITAL TURNOUT TIME.
WE MET WITH THE COUNTY FIRE SIDE ROUGHLY RIGHT BEFORE OR
RIGHT AFTER CHIEF TRIPP CAME ON BUT STARTED TALKING ABOUT
THIS THING HOLISTICALLY.
COMING FROM THE PINELLAS SIDE AND PUBLIC SAFETY THERE'S A
HOSPITAL ON EVERY CORNER, AND THERE IS A UNIT EVERY FIVE
FEET.
IT'S A DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHIC AND USE LEVEL OVER THERE.

OVER HERE, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S AS RICH AS THAT TURNOUT
TIME OR TURNOVER TIME THAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT, BUT THE
COUNTY TOLD ME AT THE TIME THAT THEY WERE STUDYING THE
HOSPITAL RELEASE TIME.
I WILL JUST MAKE THAT TERM UP.
WHEN DID THEY GET BACK FROM THE HOSPITAL?
AND I TALKED TO THE PRIVATE AMBULANCE SIDE ABOUT ENRICHING
YOUR CAPABILITY.
AND WHATEVER IT IS, WE JUST NEED TO BE KNOW IT'S CONSISTENT,
BECAUSE IF THE PRIVATE AMBULANCE SIDE IS INCONSISTENT,
THAT'S WHAT DRIVES US TO BE MORE CHALLENGED WITH OUR DATA.
WE NEED A CONSISTENT UNDERSTANDING.
SO WHEN I HEARD ACTUALLY ABOUT THIS ELONGATED TIME IN THE
HOSPITAL, AND I AM GRATEFUL AS A TACTICAL COMMUNICATION
GOING ON BETWEEN THE RESCUE CHIEF AND CEO OR WHOEVER, BUT
MAYBE WE NEED WRITTEN AGREEMENTS BETWEEN THESE TWO
FACILITIES TO SAY, LISTEN, I THINK WE BUDGET ABOUT 30
MINUTES TO GET BACK OUT, IF WE ARE THERE HOURS, THAT'S JUST
PUTTING A BIG HINDRANCE ON THE WHOLLY SYSTEM.
SO THERE IS DATA WORK TO GO ON.
I AM GOING TO REACH OUT.
I AM SURE I WILL WORK WITH CHIEF TRIPP, CHIEF JONES, AND THE
DATA SKEW A LOT OF THINGS.
SO WE LOOK AT 2019 AND THEN 2022 BECAUSE THE YEARS IN THE
MIDDLE ARE CHALLENGING.

3:01:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND THANK YOU FOR THAT.
IT DOES SEEM IT'S A PROBLEM WITH THE HOSPITAL BECAUSE AGAIN
I HEAR FROM PEOPLE ON THE GROUND AND WHAT I AM HEARING IS
THAT IT DEPENDS ON THE SHIFT.
LIKE SOME SHIFT SUPERVISORS, THIS IS MY JOB, I AM TAKING IT
ALL, AND SOME ARE MORE LIKE, WELL, YOU NOTICE, THIS HAS FOUR
PATIENTS AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO OVERLOAD THEM.
SO I THINK THE IDEA OF A WRITTEN DOCUMENT, I WOULD 100%
SUPPORT THAT.
DO YOU NEED A MOTION TO HAVE IT COME BACK TO US?
IS THIS GOING TO BE PART OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY -- HOW DO WE
AS COUNCIL, AGAIN AS SORT OF THE EARS FOR THE PUBLIC, HOW DO
WE GET BACK THAT INFORMATION AND HOW YOU ARE GOING TO GO
ABOUT DOING THAT?
3:01:54PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
A GREAT QUESTION AND I THINK I WOULD BE
STEPPING IN CHIEF TRIPP'S AREA, BUT THE ONUS IS ON ALL OF
OUR DEVELOPMENTS TO PROVIDE THE BEST LEVEL OF SERVICE WITH
COUNCIL SUPPORT THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS AND THROUGH
POLICY.
SO WE SHOULD BE DRIVING THOSE KIND OF THINGS TO GET OUR
UNITS BACK OUT ON THE ROAD.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO HOPE THAT THE MOTION IS JUST TO BRING
BACK SOME INFORMATION ON THAT AS PART OF MAYBE THE PUBLIC
SAFETY MOTION THAT ALREADY EXISTS.
JUST ADD THAT AS ANOTHER LAYER.

BUT I WOULD RATHER HAVE CHIEF TRIPP EXPLAIN HER THOUGHTS.
3:02:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DOES THAT WORK, TO JUST COME BACK AS PART OF
THE PUBLIC SAFETY --
3:02:38PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
SURE.
3:02:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OF WHAT WE CAN DO.
3:02:42PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
WELL, LIKE CHIEF SAID, THERE'S SO MANY
DIFFERENT LAYERS, AND INDIVIDUALS GOING THERE, AND WITH THAT
PERSONALITY, DIFFERENT SHIFTS, THAT'S SOMETHING BEYOND OUR
CONTROL, YOU KNOW.
AND IT'S NOT ALL OF THE HOSPITALS, YOU KNOW.
IT'S KIND OF -- WHEN I SAY ONE IN PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, THAT
HAS CAUSED OUR UNITS TO STAY THERE, BUT A LOT OF OTHER UNITS
TO STAY THERE AT CERTAIN TIMES.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THAT'S PART OF THE PARTNERSHIP WE
HAVE WITH THE HOSPITALS HAS BEEN OUTSTANDING, AND I THINK BY
US HAVING THIS COMMUNICATION NOW WITH THIS INDIVIDUAL IS
GOING TO HELP WITH OUR UNITS.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T, LIKE CHIEF SAID, WITH COVID YEARS AND
RIGHT AFTER COVID, NOW THINGS ARE CHANGING, OPENING UP, SO
OF COURSE EVERYTHING IS GOING.
3:03:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:03:40PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING THIS DISCUSSION TODAY.
HOPEFULLY SOME FOLKS FROM SOUTH OF GANDY AND SOUTH TAMPA ARE
WATCHING AND WILL POINT TO THAT, AND I KNOW I APPRECIATE YOU

BEING ON TOP OF IT.
YOU HAVE ALSO SPOKEN TO SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.
NATURALLY, BECAUSE OF THE INCIDENT TWO WEEKS AGO, THERE WERE
A LOT OF VERY CONCERNED PEOPLE, AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO
TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHAT TO EXPECT IN THE FUTURE.
I THINK AT THE VERY BASIC LEVEL THE PUBLIC EXPECTS US TO
PROVIDE PUBLIC SAFETY, AND WE SEE LOTS OF CONCERNS
EVERYWHERE, HEARING CONCERNS ABOUT CRIME.
RECENTLY, HEARD CONCERNS ABOUT THE AMBULANCE RESPONSE
ISSUES.
AND SO I KNOW YOU ARE WORKING HARD TO TRY TO FIX THIS.
VIK IS WORKING HARD.
SO PLEASE KEEP THE DIALOGUE OPEN SO WE CAN WORK TOGETHER AS
THE BUDGET COMES UP AND WHATEVER ELSE WE WANT.
AS MY COLLEAGUE COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SAYS, THE C.I.T. MONEY IS
ENDING SOON TOO SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THAT?
THE PUBLIC, WHEN THEY ASK ME WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH WHY OUR
PARKS ARE FALLING APART IN SOUTH TAMPA, WHY OUR ROADS ARE
FALLING A PART IN SOUTH TAMPA, WHY DON'T WE HAVE ENOUGH
POLICE AND FIRE COVERAGE, I SAY TO THEM IN ALL THOSE CASES,
WE HAVE A CITY-WIDE MOBILITY PLAN IN PROCESS.
WE HAVE OUR PARKS PLAN IN PROCESS.
WE HAVE A PUBLIC SAFETY PLAN IN PROCESS THAT MY COLLEAGUE
VIERA PROPOSED.
THANK YOU.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT NOW NOT SO MUCH ON THIS ONE BUT ON THE
OTHERS, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WAITING THREE OR FOUR YEARS.
WHAT I HAVE SAID TO THEM IS THAT THOSE PLANS, THE STUDIES
WILL COME BACK WITH OBJECTIVE ANSWERS.
SO LIKE AS YOU SAID, AND NICK WILL TALK ABOUT IT IN A MINUTE
WITH HIS STUDY, IF WE ARE LOOKING AT 8 MINUTE RESPONSE TIMES
THEN THE CHOICE OF WHERE TO PUT A NEW FACILITY OR NEW TRUCK
OR MORE PEOPLE, IT SHOULDN'T BE BASED ON WHO THE MAYOR LIKES
BEST OR WHO ARGUES THE BEST OR WHO COMPLAINS THE BEST OR WHO
SHOWS UP WITH THE MOST RIBBON CUTTINGS OR WHATEVER.
IT NEEDS TO BE BASED ON WHAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS.
SO ONCE WE GET THOSE PLANS DONE, HOPEFULLY THEY WILL BE DONE
QUICKLY, AND THEN WE CAN GO BACK OUT WITH YOU AND EXPLAIN TO
THE PUBLIC, NICK LIVES NOT THAT FAR FROM ME AND I THINK HE
SHARES MY CONCERN.
I'M OLDER THAN HE IS, BUT I SHARE HIS CONCERN ABOUT IF
SOMETHING HAPPENS TO ONE OF US AND THAT TRUCK IS GONE, WE
ARE IN TROUBLE.
SO WE WANT TO TRY TO GET THIS SOLVED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
THANK YOU.
3:06:23PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
CAN I RESPOND?
3:06:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE.
3:06:27PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
WITH THAT SAID, LIKE I SAID, ONCE I GOT IN
THIS POSITION JUST SEEING SOME OF THE DEFICIENCIES.
OF COURSE I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID TO ALSO PROVIDE THAT LEVEL OF
SERVICE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CITY, WE HAD SIX UNITS THAT
PROVIDED WHAT WE CALL BASIC LIFE SUPPORT.
ALL OF OUR TRUCKS NOW ARE ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT MEANING ALS,
THEY WILL DO THE SAME THING THAT THE RESCUE CARS DO.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, HAVING THAT UPPER LEVEL OF
TRAINING, AND EXPERIENCE, AND KNOWLEDGE, THEY COULD RESPOND
TO THOSE CALLS AS WELL, IF THE TRANSPORT UNIT IS NOT THERE.
SO THESE ARE ALL OTHER ITEMS THAT I AM IMPLEMENTING TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE INCREASE THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE THROUGHOUT THE
CITY.
3:07:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I ECHO WHAT I SAID BEFORE, IS PARAMOUNT
TO THE PUBLIC, THE FIRST OF MANY CITY NEEDS IS A STRONG
POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SECONDARILY IS OF -- YOU HAVE TO HAVE WATER, SEWER, GARBAGE,
TO KEEP THE CITY RUNNING.
AND AS LEADER OF THAT UNION, HE'S RIGHT.
IF YOU WANT TO SEE SOMETHING HAPPEN, GO PICK UP THE GARBAGE
FOR JUST ONE WEEK.
IT'S THE SAME THING WITH THE FIRE AND POLICE. IF SOMETHING
HAPPENS THAT THEY ARE NOT THERE WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME, THE
CALLS ARE UNBELIEVABLE.
BUT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S SO MUCH INVOLVED, AND WHEN
MONDAY IS A HOLIDAY, ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.
AND THE FIRE AND POLICE DEPARTMENT GIVING EXCELLENT SERVICE,

AND AS COLLEAGUE SAID, YOU BETTER BE LOOKING AT THE C.I.T.
TAX.
THAT'S WHY ON THE AGENDA TODAY THERE'S TEN VEHICLES TO BE
BOUGHT AT $43,000 PLUS EACH.
AND THAT'S $430,000.
A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT.
BUT 43,000 PLUS.
AND IT'S PARAMOUNT THAT WE REALIZE THAT AFTER 2026, 27,
THERE'S NO MORE OF THAT MONEY COMING IN.
SO WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WE HAVE IN THE BODY SHOPS OR IN THE
REPLACEMENT OF ENGINES OR SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE.
I AM NOT TELLING YOU WHAT TO DO OR HOW TO DO IT BUT WE HAVE
A PLAN PUT IN FOR MONEYS, THERE'S NO MORE COMING IN.
HOW DO WE SOLVE THAT PROBLEM?
SO WE HAVE TO BE VIGILANT OF THE FACT THAT IT'S AROUND THE
HORIZON.
SEEMS LIKE FOUR YEARS AWAY IS A LONG TIME.
IT'S A SECOND IN TIME AS FAR AS WHAT THE NEEDS ARE.
AND THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE NEEDED.
SO WE WANT TO STEP UP AND DO WHATEVER WE CAN, HELP BOTH FIRE
AND POLICE AND THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
AS COUNCILMAN SAID THERE ARE OTHER PRIORITIES WE HAVE TO
ADDRESS BECAUSE THE PUBLIC IS GROWING SO QUICK THAT THERE
WASN'T ENOUGH SPACE FOR PEOPLE COMING IN TO DO WHAT THEY HAD

TO DO.
BUT THANKS VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU BOTH ARE DOING.
3:09:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CHIEF TRIPP, I JUST HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND
I AM TRYING TO WORK OUT MY STRATEGY.
YOU HAD 27 GRADUATES.
3:09:30PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
23.
3:09:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
23 NEW GRADUATES AT THE FIRE MUSEUM.
IT WAS WONDERFUL TO SEE THEM ALL BE SWORN IN.
THROUGH ATTRITION, HOW MANY FIREFIGHTERS LEFT THE
DEPARTMENT?
3:09:44PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
HOW MANY HAS LEFT?
3:09:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DURING THAT TRAINING, 23, HOW MANY HAVE
LEFT?
WE HAD 23.
IF WE HAD 28 LEAVE --
3:09:56PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
3:09:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS IT BUDGET RESTRICTIONS?
FROM KEEPING MORE FIREFIGHTERS COMING IN TO KEEP UP THE
DEMANDS, THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT NEEDS?
IS IT US THAT COULD BE SAYING, HEY, WE NEED MORE STAFFING,
LIKE I DID AT THE LAST BUDGET MEETING?
FOR NOT ONLY FIRE BUT POLICE, ENFORCEMENT, INSPECTIONS.
IS IT BUDGETARY JUST KEEPING THE DEPARTMENT FROM GAINING
MORE?
3:10:25PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
ADMINISTRATION GAVE ME 57 POSITIONS.

I AM HIRING.
WHEN I GOT INTO THE POSITION I WAS ALREADY DOWN SOME
MEMBERS.
I HIRED 104.
I AM IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING SOME MORE.
WE LOOK AT BRINGING ON ANOTHER 20 TO 25 AROUND MARCH
20th.
SO WE ARE TRYING TO GET MY MEMBERS GET THAT VACANCY RATE
DOWN.
NOW I CAN SEE WHAT I NEED TO ASK ADMINISTRATION FOR.
3:10:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
FOR FIRE, WE HIRE FOR THE TRAINING PERIOD?
3:10:53PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
WELL, WE HAVE FIREFIGHTERS THAT COME ON THE
JOB.
THEY GO THROUGH A SIX WEEK ORIENTATION PERIOD.
3:10:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HOW MANY OF THESE FIREFIGHTERS LAST MORE
THAN THREE OR FOUR YEARS?
3:11:03PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
ALL OF THEM.
3:11:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OKAY.
DO WE GO OUT AND ACTUALLY DO A HIRING SEARCH?
3:11:09PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
WE GO TO ALL OF THE SCHOOLS WHENEVER THEY
HAVE GRADUATIONS, SO I HAVE OPERATIONS CHIEF GO TO DIFFERENT
SCHOOLS AND TALK TO THE CANDIDATES AS WELL.
3:11:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DO WE HAVE A PORTAL FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE
INTERESTED IN BECOMING A FIREFIGHTER ON OUR WEBSITE?
IF SOMEONE SAYS, I WANT TO BE A FIREFIGHTER, CAN THEY GO ON

TAMPA'S WEBSITE AND APPLY FOR A POSITION OR FIND OUT HOW TO
BECOME A FIREFIGHTER?
3:11:34PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
I WILL HAVE TO CHECK THAT.
HONEST, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT I KNOW WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF A SCHOLARSHIP PROCESS.
3:11:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
BECAUSE I AM GOING TO MAKE A CLAIM NEXT
BUDGET HEARING, WE NEED MORE STAFFING.
WE OFTEN HEAR COUNCIL MEMBERS TALK ABOUT SINGLE SOURCE, FIRE
EQUIPMENT.
IS THAT A SINGLE SOURCE?
3:11:52PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT ITEM IT IS TO KEEP THE
CONTINUITY AND THE SAME TYPE OF EQUIPMENT, AND THE SPECS ARE
DIFFERENT, SO IT DEPENDS ON WHATEVER THE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT
IS.
3:12:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SINGLE SOURCE YOU CAN GO TO THREE OR FOUR
DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
IT'S NOT A MATTER OF SUPPLY CHAIN OR JUST ONE MANUFACTURER?
3:12:14PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
NO.
IF IT'S AN ITEM I NEED I CAN GO ANYWHERE AND GET IT UNLESS
THERE ARE CERTAIN SPECS, AND THIS IS THE ONLY COMPANY.
3:12:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SO IT'S READILY AVAILABLE.
JUST AN OBSERVATION.
I WENT AND SAW MY PATIENTS DOWN IN STATION 14.
I SAW A LADDER TRUCK IN THERE.
IF IT WAS A PRIVATELY OWNED VEHICLE, IT WOULD HAVE A BLUE

ANTIQUE PLATE ON IT.
20 YEARS OLD.
3:12:39PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
THAT'S A RESERVE UNIT.
THAT'S NOT THEIR FRONT LINE.
3:12:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IT'S STILL A VEHICLE THAT'S BEING USED.
I AM AMAZED AT THAT.
CHIEF TRIPP, THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.
CHIEF BENNETT?
3:12:55PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I JUST WENT TO THE WEBSITE. BRING UP THE
ELMO.
AND YOU FILL THESE BOOTS RIGHT ONLINE.
SO APPLY NOW.
SO IT'S THERE.
3:13:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
3:13:07PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU HAD ASKED ME TO WAIT.
3:13:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WAS JUST ABOUT READY TO ASK.
I JUST WANTED TO HEAR CHIEF BENNETT.
3:13:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
COULD I SAY ALSO, MR. BENNETT --
3:13:23PM >> MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
3:13:27PM >> IF YOU SHARE THOSE LINKS WE CAN WE CAN POST THEM, TOO.
THANK YOU.
3:13:33PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
COULD I SAY SOMETHING ABOUT RECRUITING?
WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM RECRUITING.
PEOPLE COME.
I MEAN, WE HAVE APPLICANTS.

AS SOON AS WE OPEN UP THE PROCESS, THEY ARE APPLYING.
YOU KNOW.
I SCREEN THEM.
LET THE PANEL SCREEN THEM.
AND THEN WE SEND IT THROUGH THE PROCESS TO GET HIRED.
SO WHAT I AM SAYING, I'M HIRING.
AND WHENEVER WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT LEAVE, YOU KNOW, WE
ARE ACTUALLY PROJECTING JUST LIKE THIS YEAR WE ARE LOOKING
TO HAVE FIVE OR SIX PEOPLE RETIRE, YOU KNOW.
SO MY GOAL IS TO HIRE THIS GROUP HERE AND GET ANOTHER GROUP
IN THE SUMMER.
BECAUSE ONCE I CAME IN IT WAS ALREADY A DEFICIT OF
PERSONNEL.
STAFF GAVE ME ANOTHER 57 POSITIONS TO HELP OFFSET THAT WITH
THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE.
AND USUALLY WHEN THEY COME HERE WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH
RETENTION.
THEY STAY.
3:14:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AND AGAIN I GO BACK TO MY QUESTION.
IS IT BUDGET?
DO WE NEED TO PUSH FOR A BIGGER BUDGET SO YOU CAN HAVE MORE
FIREFIGHTERS?
3:14:38PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
MAYBE I AM MISSING YOU BECAUSE WHEN YOU TALK
ABOUT BUDGET NOR MORE FIREFIGHTERS, WE HAVE TO GET MORE
UNITS TO PUT THEM IN.

3:14:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THEN ARE WE TALKING BUDGET AGAIN?
3:14:53PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
I HAVE ORDERED EQUIPMENT.
IT'S JUST NOT HERE.
3:14:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
TO GET MORE EQUIPMENT YOU NEED THIS
COUNCIL --
3:15:02PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
I AM DEFINITELY GOING TO ALWAYS INCREASE THE
BUDGET, YOU KNOW.
3:15:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR.
3:15:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OKAY.
COUNCILMAN GUDES WANTED TO BRING YOU UP.
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
3:15:22PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
BEFORE YOU GET STARTED I HEARD THE CHIEF,
I HEARD SOME OF THE POINTS BROUGHT OUT.
TODAY IS THE DAY YOU AS THE PRESIDENT CAN TELL THIS CHIEF
AND THIS COUNCIL WHAT YOU NEED AND WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE, AND
I WISH YOU WOULD LET COUNCIL KNOW, THE REQUESTS THAT YOU
HAVE BEEN ASKING, THE APPLICATION PROCESS, YOU KNOW, IT
SHOULD BE OPEN CONSTANTLY, EQUIPMENT, JUST ANYTHING THAT YOU
FEEL THE CHIEF SHOULD KNOW, NOW IS THE TIME THAT THE CHIEF
CAN RESPOND, I UNDERSTAND THE CHASSIS, SHE SAID SHE'S
ORDERED THEM.
I WANT TO KNOW ALL ABOUT THAT, THE CONCERNS OF THE UNION, SO
EVERY COUNCILMAN WILL KNOW AND SHE CAN TELL US ALSO WHAT'S
GOING ON IN REFERENCE TO THE THINGS YOU ARE ASKING FOR.
YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, SIR.

3:16:12PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
STEVE STOCCO.
PRESIDENT TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS 504.
FIRST OFF, I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE IF ANYTHING OF MY PASSION
IS TAKEN FOR ANGER SO THERE'S NO ANGER HERE.
WE ARE ALL FRIENDS, COLLEAGUES AND WORK TOGETHER.
IN REGARDS TO EGIS STUDY, THAT THE FIREFIGHTERS UNION DID,
IT WAS ACTUALLY PRECOVID SO THOSE NUMBERS WERE PRECOVID AND
THERE WERE RECOMMENDATIONS SET FOR THE IN THE GIS AND THOSE
RECOMMENDATIONS WERE FOR THREE STATIONS IMMEDIATELY, AND AS
YOU SAW PRIOR IT CALLED FOR THEY ANNOUNCED FOR 15, WE JUST
CALLED FOR THREE, NEW TAMPA, CHANNELSIDE, I BELIEVE IN THE
WESTSHORE GANDY AREA.
SO THAT GIS STUDY THAT WE DID IN 2019 IS PRECOVID.
SO I WANTED TO TOUCH ON THAT.
THE OTHER THING, AND THANK YOU, CHIEF BENNETT, IS THE
EXPERIENCE OF PINELLAS COUNTY.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD VIEWPOINT OF THE EMS SYSTEMS, AS CHIEF
BENNETT MENTIONED, THERE IS A HOSPITAL ON EVERY CORNER.
I KNOW WE MAY NOT HAVE THAT ABILITY TO DO SO, PUT A HOSPITAL
ON EVERY CORNER, OR DEFINITELY PUT AN AMBULANCE NEARBY OR AT
EVERY CORNER AS WAS MENTIONED.
JUST ACTUALLY NOW, AS WE ARE TALKING, AND I'M HERE AS A
REPRESENTATIVE OF THE FIREFIGHTERS UNION, AND THERE ARE
RESCUE AMBULANCES WAITING AT THE HOSPITAL FOR OVER THREE

HOURS, SO I WANTED TO TOUCH ON THAT.
COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU TALK ABOUT THE NEEDS OF THE
DEPARTMENT, THE NEEDS OF THE FIREFIGHTERS UNION, IS ASKING
BEFORE THIS COUNCIL AND CITY STAFF, AND I THINK I AM MORE
THAN HAPPY TO GO OVER THEM, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF TALKING
THIS MORNING, THERE'S A LOT OF PLANNING, A LOT OF
DISCUSSION, HOW MUCH MORE DO WE NEED TO DISCUSS?
HOW MUCH MORE DO WE NEED TO PLAN?
HOW MUCH MORE DO WE NEED TO HAVE CONVERSATION OVER THIS?
JUST LETTING THE PEOPLE VOLT AND HEARING WHAT THE PEOPLE
HAVE GOT TO SAY.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAN HELP A LOT WITH RESPONSE TIMES IS
TO AVL, VEHICLE LOCATERS.
YOU KNOW, WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP ACCURATE DATA FROM THIS
RESPONSE TIME.
YET WE HAVE 92,000 CALLS ON ONE CHANNEL.
SO WHEN WE ARE ON THE RADIO, ALL 92,000 CALLS ARE ON ONE
CHANNEL.
SO WHEN WE ARE RESPONDING UNLESS THE RADIO IS AVAILABLE, WE
ARE NOT GETTING THROUGH.
SO WE MAY GET THROUGH, SO OUR DATA THAT WE ARE BASING THESE
RESPONSE TIMES OFF OF MAY NOT BE AS ACCURATE.
3:19:03PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
STOP RIGHT THERE.
SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT THE FIRE ONLY HAS ONE CHANNEL VERSUS
POLICE PROBABLY HAS ABOUT EIGHT CHANNELS?

3:19:11PM >> SO ALL OF DISPATCH IS ON ONE CHANNEL.
92,000 CALLS.
IN THE EVENT THAT THE CHANNEL HAS -- IN THE EVENT THAT THE
ALARM HAS THREE OR MORE UNITS RESPONDING, THEY WILL GO TO A
SEPARATE CHANNEL.
SO LIKE A FIRE OR A HAZ-MAT, THEY WILL GO TO THE SPECIAL
CHANNEL.
BUT ALL, MEDICAL, ALS, WE ARE AVAILABLE, IN HOUSE,
RESPONDING, TRANSPORTING, COMMUNICATIONS GO ON AND ON, ON
ONE CHANNEL.
3:19:44PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT YOU HAVE
DIFFERENT CHANNELS.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT.
WORKING ON ONE CHANNEL FOR THE WHOLE CITY FOR DISPATCH.
I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE MY DISTRICT OR ZONES, AND I WILL
LET THE CHIEF RESPOND IN A MINUTE.
3:20:09PM >> RIGHT.
YEAH.
AND I THINK CHIEF BENNETT AND I TALKED ABOUT IT ONE TIME, WE
HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION OVER IT.
YES, WE DO OPERATE OFF ONE CHANNEL.
AGAIN, THE ONLY TIME THAT WE HAVE A SEPARATE CHANNEL IS IF
THERE'S THREE ALARMS OR GREATER.
AND -- THREE UNITS OR GREATER COMMENT THAT BE BECAUSE OF OUR
DISPATCH CENTER, WHERE WE HAVE ONLY HAVE THREE PEOPLE AT

MINIMUM? YOU KNOW, I DON'T ADVOCATE FOR THE DISPATCHERS BUT
I CAN TELL WHAT YOU CHIEF TRIPP SAID IS VERY FACTUAL.
IT'S THE WHOLE BIG PICTURE.
IT STARTS WHEN THE CALL COMES IN, THE DISPATCH CENTER, THE
SOFTWARE, THE TELECOMMUNICATORS THAT RADIO TO THE CHANNEL.
ONCE THEY GO TO A SEPARATE CHANNEL, ONE DISPATCHER GETS
TAKEN OUT OF THE EQUATION, AND ATTENDS TO THAT CHANNEL AND
SOLELY THAT CHANNEL SO YOU ONLY HAVE TWO DISPATCHERS LEFT.
3:21:05PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHEN COMMUNICATION IS DOWN ON THE NORTH
SIDE OF HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE, THE COMMUNICATIONS SYSTEM, BUT
AGAIN, I REALIZE IT WAS THAT MANY PEOPLE ON THE FIRE SIDE.
3:21:26PM >> I'M 99% SURE 3 PEOPLE IS THE MINIMUM FOR COMMUNICATIONS.
I DO BELIEVE THEY MAY HAVE TRIED TO INCREASE STAFFING FOR.
I SHOULD PAY MORE ATTENTION.
THEY ARE PART OF OUR FAMILY ALTHOUGH THEY ARE NOT BARGAINING
MEMBERS AND I SHOULD PAY MORE ATTENTION TO THEM.
BUT I THINK THE INFORMATION I HAVE IS PRETTY FACTUAL.
3:21:48PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CONTINUE.
3:21:49PM >> IN REGARDS TO WHAT WAS JUST MADE ABOUT WE HAVE THE
FIREFIGHTERS, WE HAVE THE FIREFIGHTERS, WE JUST NEED THE
EQUIPMENT.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE ARE SOME VEHICLES OUT IN THE CITY
THAT HAVE LIGHTS ON IT, TERM FIRE RESCUE STICKER ON IT, AND
RESPONSE TO CALLS WE GET, THE HEAVY RESCUE DOWNTOWN, HEAVY
RESCUE 1, HEAVY RESCUE 21, THE BOATS, WE HAVE ONE VEHICLE

DOWN AT THE PORT THAT JUST HAS ONE PERSON ON IT.
THERE ARE VEHICLES THAT DO RESPOND TO CALLS THAT DON'T HAVE
PEOPLE ON THEM.
SO IN THE EVENT THAT ONE OF THE UNITS GOES ON A CALL, THE
OTHER UNIT GETS LEFT BEHIND AT THE STATION.
HEAVY RESCUE 1 IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE.
IT IS DOWNTOWN AND IT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE OF AN
APPARATUS WHEN THE FIREFIGHTERS CALL THE FIREFIGHTERS THAT
WHEN THEY NEED HELP, THEY GENERALLY CALL HEAVY RESCUE 1 OR
TRUCK 1.
BUT IF THE BUSIEST TRUCK DOWNTOWN AND HEAVY RESCUE 1 DOESN'T
RESPOND, TRUCK 1 HAS TO RUN EMERGENCY BACK TO THE STATION,
PICK THAT VEHICLE UP, AND THEN TAKE IT OVER.
SO IF WE DO HAVE THE FIREFIGHTERS, AND WE JUST NEED THE
EQUIPMENT, THERE ARE EQUIPMENT OUT THERE ARE THAT CAN BE
STACKED ON THAT GO TO CALLS NOW.
SO IN REGARDS TO UNITS, THEY ARE FIRE STATIONS THAT WE
CONTINUE DON'T HAVE AMBULANCES AT, WHETHER IT'S SOUTH OF
GANDY, 22 UP IN NEW TAMPA.
THERE ARE UNITS, THERE ARE STATIONS OUT THERE THAT DON'T
HAVE AMBULANCES.
AND YES, CHIEF TRIPP TOOK AN INITIATIVE THAT WE HAVE BEEN
WAITING FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME TO GET ADVANCED EQUIPMENT
ON THESE LADDER TRUCKS.
BUT THE LADDER TRUCKS AREN'T TAKING PEOPLE TO THE HOSPITAL.

WHEN THESE PEOPLE CALL 911, THEY GENERALLY WANT TO BE TAKEN
TO THE HOSPITAL.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS TO HAVE THAT.
I DID WRITE SOMETHING DOWN, I DID WANT TO TALK A LITTLE
ABOUT IT IF YOU GUYS HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, AND
CONTINUE THE CONVERSATIONS.
TWO WEEKS AGO WE SPOKE ON SOME OF THE DEFICITS THAT WE ARE
CURRENTLY FACING.
I DON'T WANT TO REITERATE ON WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT
FOR YEARS BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE BEEN DOING JUST
THAT, TALKING.
I DO APPLAUD CHIEF TRIPP.
SHE HAS RELOCATED THOSE TWO UNITS TO THE SULPHUR SPRINGS
AREA AND THAT WAS A MUCH NEED AND IT WAS THE RELOCATING OF
THOSE UNITS.
I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT JUST SOME OF THE EVENTS IN THE LAST TWO
WEEKS SINCE OUR MEETING.
ON JANUARY 12th, THE CITY OF TAMPA WAS THRIVING.
IT'S 5 P.M.
THE WORKFORCE IS ENTERING OR LEAVING THE CITY, ON ROADS LIKE
275 AND I-4.
TAMPA INTERNATIONAL FLIGHTS ARE INCOMING, OUTGOING.
WE ARE AT FULL CAPACITY WITH ALL GEARS RUNNING.
NOW ADD 20,000 PEOPLE TO WATCH THE TAMPA LIGHTNING IN AMALIE
ARENA, ADD A COUPLE THOUGH I PEOPLE STROLLING INTO THE STRAZ

CENTER, AT THIS TIME WE ONLY HAD ONE AMBULANCE AVAILABLE.
THAT WAS LAST THURSDAY AT 5:00 AND THERE WAS ONLY ONE
AMBULANCE AVAILABLE.
3:24:53PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
A BLS UNIT?
3:25:01PM >> ALL IN ALL THERE WAS ONE UNIT AVAILABLE.
ONE TRANSPORT UNIT.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE, AMR AND AMERICA -- AMR AND AMERICA ARE NO
LONGER RUN INTO THE CITY.
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY HAS -- AND MAYBE CHIEF TRIPP CAN HELP
ME, AMR AND AMERICARE ARE ONLY BEING USED FOR HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY AND TRANSCARE IS OUR BLS PROVIDER.
THERE WAS AN ARTICLE YESTERDAY THAT OF THE 32 CALLS THAT
THEY GOT, THEY TURNED DOWN 27 OF THEM, SO 27 OF THE 32 CALLS
THEY RECEIVED THEY COULDN'T ATTEND TO, WHICH THEN TAMPA FIRE
RESCUE HAS A DUTY TO ACT, AND WE HAVE TO RESPOND FOR THEM.
SO WHEN THERE'S NO BLS AVAILABLE WE HAVE TO RESPOND.
3:25:52PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
BLS IS YOUR BASIC LIFE SUPPORT.
3:25:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ALS IS ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT.
3:25:59PM >> ALSO WE HAVE THE NUMBER ONE ZOO IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA,
1.2 MILLION, 1.3 MILLION.
I JUST HEARD IT.
WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE COMING TO THE ZOO, MORE PEOPLE COMING TO
BUSCH GARDENS. THAT VIDEO THAT I WATCHED AT THE BEGINNING
OF THIS MEETING SHOWS SOME PERFORMANCE HIGHLIGHTS AND WE ARE
STILL WAITING ON, ON OURS.

ON JANUARY 14th ON A BEAUTIFUL SATURDAY IN TAMPA BAY,
CURTIS HIXON CELEBRATING THE FESTIVAL, AMALIE ARENA WITH
20,000 PEOPLE FROM THE STRAZ CENTER, AND AN ALREADY STRAINED
EMS SYSTEM.
ON TOP OF ALL OF THAT, WE DON'T THE ADDITIONAL TRANSPORT
UNITS THAT WE NEED.
WE TOOK ONE OF THE RESCUE UNITS, RESCUE 251 OUT OF SULPHUR
SPRINGS AND WE PLACED IT DOWNTOWN AT PLANT HIGH SCHOOL FOR A
SPECIAL EVENT.
WE ALREADY HAVE A TAXED EMS SYSTEM AND WE ARE SUBSIDIZING
FOR OUR SPECIAL EVENTS, THE CITY OF TAMPA EQUIPMENT AND
STAFF.
ON JANUARY 16th, THE BUCS HOSTED AN NFL PLAYOFF GAME
WHERE THE CITY SPOKE OF THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC.
RAYMOND JAMES WAS SOLD OUT WITH 60,000 PEOPLE ALONE.
THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF SPECTATORS IN ALL SURROUNDING
AREAS OF TAMPA BAY, YET NO INCREASE IN TRANSPORT UNITS.
WHEN WE INTRODUCE 60,000 PEOPLE IN RAYMOND JAMES, ONE
AMBULANCE THERE, AND THAT'S FOR THE PLAYERS.
THAT'S FOR THE NFL.
THE NFL REQUIRES A TRANSPORT UNIT.
SO WE HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE IN THE CITY YET THERE IS NO
INCREASE IN TRANSPORT UNITS.
AGAIN WE ARE TAXED AND INTRODUCE 100,000 PEOPLE INTO THE
CITY AT ONE TIME.

I WANT TO STATE SPECIFICALLY, THE WEST TAMPA AMBULANCE,
WHICH IS THE AMBULANCE THAT SERVICES RAYMOND JAMES, HAD 19
CALLS.
19 CALLS IN 24 HOURS.
AMBULANCE RUN.
WE ARE IN A STATE OF CRISIS.
TAMPA FIRE RESCUE, THE CITY, AND FROM THE FIREFIGHTERS POINT
OF VIEW, AND BEING A RESIDENT AND LIVING HERE, WE ARE IN A
STATE OF CRISIS.
IF IT'S RECRUITMENT, THE CHIEF JUST SPOKE, WE ARE APPLYING
NOW, AND THANKFUL TO THE STAFF THAT HAS ADDED THE INCREASE
IN BUDGET.
HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THOSE BOOTS FULL AND HOPEFULLY WE ARE
NEARLY FULL AS IT IS.
IF IT'S EQUIPMENT OR VEHICLES, AND WE DON'T SINGLE SOURCE,
IF WE CAN'T GO WITH A TOYOTA WE NEED TO GO WITH A DODGE OR
FORD OR KEO, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
THERE IS AN EXTENDED LONG WAIT TIME.
AND WE ARE PUTTING LIVES ON THE BACK BURNER?
TO COUNCILMAN CITRO'S COMMENT, THANK YOU FOR STOPPING BY THE
FIRE STATION YESTERDAY.
AND I BELIEVE IT'S A 1992.
AND WE ARE WORKING WITH TRUCKS THAT ARE AS OLD AS I AM.
THE BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN OF LOCAL 754 ARE WORKING AND WORKING
THEIR TAILS OFF.

THIS ISN'T ABOUT THE UNION.
THIS ISN'T ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATION, COUNCIL OR CITY.
THIS IS ABOUT THE CITIZENS.
THIS IS ABOUT THE RESIDENTS THAT WE SERVE.
ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF THAT MUSEUM WE ALL RAISE OUR RIGHT
HAND, TO SAVE LIVES AND PROTECT THE CITIZENS WHICH WE ARE
SERVING.
WE HAVE GOT TO PUT POLITICS ASIDE.
WE HAVE GOT TO PUT PARTIES ASIDE.
WE HAVE TO PUT ALL THAT ASIDE.
I SPELLED OUT SOME OF THE NEED.
WHEN IS ENOUGH ENOUGH?
IT'S A TAPE RECORDER.
WE HEAR THE SAME THING.
THE FIREFIGHTERS SAY TELL US SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW.
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT AS A LOCAL, AND THAT'S WHEREBY WE ARE
AT AS A CITY AND BEING A CITY RESIDENT.
NOT TO MENTION, WE ARE EAGERLY ANTICIPATING WORKING WITH THE
ADMINISTRATION AND HEARING THE LONG AWAITED SAFETY PLAN ON
FEBRUARY 23rd.
WE HAVE GOT TO PUT EVERYTHING ASIDE.
SO I AM AVAILABLE TO ANY MORE COMMENTS, QUESTIONS.
3:30:02PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WANTED YOU TO GET IT ALL OUT SO THE
CHIEF CAN HEAR.
SOMETIMES THERE'S A POLICY THAT SHE CAN'T DO.

BUT I THINK SHE'S DONE A GREAT JOB IN GETTING THINGS MOVING
IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE WAIT TIMES.
I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS -- AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE
CHASSIS, AND IF THE CHASSIS CAN FIT.
SO AGAIN, LOOKING AT POLICIES, TO SEE HOW WE HAVE STAFF
COMING IN THAT ARE NON-LIFE THREATENING, SO I WOULD LIKE THE
CHIEF TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE THINGS OF YOUR CONCERNS, AND
THAT MAY BE IN THE MASTER PLAN BEFORE COMING, THAT WOULD BE
AWARE.
AND I ALWAYS SAY, YOU CAN ALWAYS DO WHAT I CALL GET THE LEG
WORK, WHEN DOES THE IMPLEMENTATION START?
SO MAYBE SHE CAN TELL US ABOUT THE MASTER PLAN AND SOME OF
THE THINGS, AND WE'LL START WITH SOME OF THE IMPLEMENTATION
THINGS.
3:31:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
3:31:20PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I JUST WANT TO GET FOR CLARITY.
I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU SAID, AND EVERYTHING THE CHIEF
HAS SAID, CHIEF TRIPP.
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE A NEW RECRUITING GROUP COMING
IN, HOW MANY OTHERS DO WE GET FROM OTHERS SURROUNDING FIRE
DEPARTMENTS AND APPLY HERE?
IS THAT A VIABLE NUMBER AT ALL OR JUST ONE OR TWO?
3:31:40PM >> I'M SURE THE CHIEF MAY HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT.
WE HAVE GOT PEOPLE, YES.

THEY ARE SWORN IN.
WE HAVE GOT THE PEOPLE.
3:31:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WE NEED THE LOGISTICS TO GO WITH THE
PEOPLE, THE EQUIPMENT AND THE STATION AND SO FORTH.
3:31:58PM >> THE IMPLEMENTATION.
3:31:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
RIGHT.
3:32:03PM >> WE BRIEFLY SPOKE ON GETTING WITH THE LOCAL CEOs OF THE
HOSPITALS.
YOU CAN LOOK AT LAKELAND REGIONALS AND YOU CAN LOOK AT
PINELLAS COUNTY.
3:32:17PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THE CHIEF CAN TAKE THAT BACK AND ANSWER
THESE QUESTIONS.
3:32:24PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I KNOW TAMPA GENERAL IS BUILDING A --
FINISHING UP THE CENTER THAT THEY HAVE HERE ON KENNEDY
BOULEVARD, AT ROME, I BELIEVE, OR CLOSE TO IT, AND MAKING
THAT THE EMERGENCY AREA, I BELIEVE, FOR YOUR FIRE
DEPARTMENT, ALSO. I'M NOT SURE.
WHEN YOU GO TO THE MAIN HOSPITAL, TAMPA GENERAL, BECAUSE A
LOT OF PEOPLE, YOU HAVE A BACKUP AND IT'S TOO LONG WHEN YOU
CAN BE DOING OTHER THINGS.
3:32:54PM >> AND THE CITY SAYS YOU SHOULDN'T BE SUBSIDIZING FOR THE
HOSPITALS.
OUR TAXPAYERS, OUR RESIDENTS, SHOULDN'T BE PAYING BECAUSE
THE HOSPITAL HASN'T BUILT THE INFRASTRUCTURE OR THE STAFF.
IT'S OUR TAXPAYERS, OUR FIREFIGHTERS LIVES THAT ARE BEING

STRAINED BECAUSE OF THEIR FAULTS.
3:33:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I SAID IT, BUT THE WAY YOU SAID IT IS
THE CORRECT WAY.
THANK YOU.
3:33:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO?
3:33:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU READ MY MIND. I DIDN'T RAISE MY
HAND.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT ITEM NUMBER 4, IT SAYS 104 INTERSECTOR
POLICE VEHICLES, $4.3 MILLION AND 100 POLICE VEHICLES.
WHY ARE WE NOT APPLYING TO ALS AND VEHICLES ARE MUCH MORE
EXPENSIVE.
LADDER TRUCKS ARE A FORTUNE.
I HAVE GONE THROUGH ALL OF THAT.
BUT WE ARE ACCOMMODATING POLICE FOR WHAT THEY NEED.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND WE NEED TO FOCUS ON
GETTING NEW EQUIPMENT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
ONE AMBULANCE DEDICATED TO THE NFL WITH 60,000 PEOPLE.
I LIVE AROUND THE CORNER.
AND THERE IS A HOSPITAL THERE.
BUT GOD FORBID IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE SOMEBODY NEEDS
AN AMBULANCE TO BE TRANSPORTED, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ON
MONDAY, ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE?
3:34:07PM >> CALL AN UBER.
I AGREE WITH YOU, COUNCILMAN.
I'M JUST SAYING.

3:34:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU KNOW, WE ARE BUDGETING.
AND WE CAN LOOK AT THE BUDGET NOW.
WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT IT FOR THIS UPCOMING YEAR.
BUT IF WE ARE ACCOMMODATING THE POLICE, WE ACCOMMODATE FIRE.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF NECESSITATES HERE AND THIS IS SOMETHING
WE NEED TO LOOK AT, THE ADMINISTRATION NEEDS TO LOOK AT, OUR
CFO, AND MEET THESE NEEDS.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A MAJOR CATASTROPHE HERE AND MORE AND
MORE DEATHS.
WE ARE PLAYING GAMES HERE.
3:34:38PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
JUST VERY BRIEFLY BECAUSE I KNOW WE STILL HAVE SECOND
READINGS, ET CETERA.
I JUST WANTED -- I SAID IT LAST TIME, I WILL SAY IT AGAIN.
THE WORD I THINK ABOUT WHEN I SEE YOU SPEAK ABOUT PUBLICLY
IS URGENCY.
YOU BRING THAT SENSE OF URGENCY TO THESE ISSUES, BUT IT'S
OBVIOUS THAT YOU ARE AS PASSIONATE AND SINCERE AT HELL ABOUT
IT AND YOU BRING A REAL SENSE OF URGENCY.
I JUST WANT TO SALUTE YOU FOR THAT.
VERY BRIEFLY AGAIN BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER ISSUES.
THANK YOU.
3:35:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A FEW YEARS AGO, JOE GRECO BROUGHT TO MY
ATTENTION THAT NOT EVERY FIREFIGHTER, NOT EVERY DRIVER,
KNOWS EVERY ADDRESS IN THIS CITY.

AND THEY HAVE TO USE THEIR OWN iPads OR THEIR OWN CELL
PHONES FOR GPS.
ARE WE STILL HAVING AN ISSUE WITH THAT?
3:35:28PM >> THERE WAS SOME TESTING AT RAYMOND JAMES ON MONDAY ON
GETTING THOSE MEDICS WITH SOME LOCATERS.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO.
3:35:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGAIN, THE FIREFIGHTERS HAVE TO USE THEIR
OWN EQUIPMENT.
3:35:45PM >> OR AN OUTDATED MAP BOOK.
3:35:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST RODE WITH POLICE AND THEY HAVE JUST
GOTTEN SOME NEW TABLETS FOR THAT VERY THING.
WE'LL HAVE TO ASK CHIEF BENNETT IF HE KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT
THAT, TO POSSIBLY SEE IF WE COULD FUND GETTING A RESCUE CARS
AND OUR FIRE TRUCKS WITH THE SAME TABLET SYSTEM THAT THE
POLICE JUST GOT.
3:36:14PM >> WE HAD TABLETS.
3:36:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PROPER EQUIPMENT FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS
SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO USE THEIR OWN.
3:36:25PM >> WE HAD TABLETS.
THERE WERE TABLETS PLACED ON EVERY VEHICLE.
THE IMPLEMENTATION PORTION, IT FELL BY THE WAYSIDE.
IT WAS A BAD PROGRAM.
IT WAS THE MOBILE TEC PROGRAM THAT WAS EXPECTED TO BE DONE
IN APRIL OF 2021.
THAT WAS REPORTS HERE, APRIL 2021, THE LATEST OCTOBER 2021

THAT THAT PROGRAM WOULD BE COMPLETED AFTER IT PASSED
ADMINISTRATIVE PHASE.
SO WE HAVE DONE THE TABLETS.
WE HAVE HAD THEM UP IN THE TRUCK BY THE WINDSHIELD.
WE ARE PASSED ALL THAT.
WE NEED TO START PUTTING SOME IN THESE UNITS.
3:37:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CHIEF TRIPP.
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
3:37:07PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU HEARD FROM THE UNION.
WE HAD A MEETING A COUPLE MONTHS AGO ABOUT COMMUNICATION AND
THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO YOU HEARD NICK.
IT'S YOUR TIME TO GO AHEAD AND SEE WHERE WE ARE AT AND TELL
US WHAT'S GOING ON.
3:37:23PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
JUST TO REITERATE ON SOME OF THE ITEMS I
TALKED ABOUT ALREADY ALONG WITH PRESIDENT STOCCO HERE, AND
TO PUT THE POLITICS ASIDE AND LET'S DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE
DEPARTMENT, FOR THE COMMUNITY AND STUFF.
AND TO HAVE INDIVIDUALS CALL YOU ALL WITHOUT COMING TO ME,
AND US TALKING ABOUT WE ARE DOING.
I WANT EVERYTHING FOR FIRE, FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
I'M LOOKING FOR MORE STATIONS, LOOKING AT LAND, LOOKING FOR
EQUIPMENT AND ALL OF THIS, OKAY.
WITH THAT BEING SAID.

SO IF WE TALK ABOUT THE AVL SYSTEM, THE COMPUTER SYSTEM THAT
WAS BEFORE MY TIME, OKAY.
WHEN I GOT IN HERE THAT WAS ALREADY STARTED.
SO WHEN I REALIZE IT WASN'T GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL TO THE
MEN AND WOMEN OF ARE THE NEAR I STOPPED IT IMMEDIATELY
BECAUSE IT WASN'T GOING TO WORK.
ONCE WE STOPPED THAT, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF IMPLEMENTING
A NEW ONE TO GET A NEW SYSTEM.
WE HAVE CHANGED SOME OF THE TACTICS BEHIND IT AS FAR AS HOW
THAT COMPANY ABROAD AND WE ARE GETTING GOOD VENDORS COMING
IN TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHAT TAMPA FIRE NEEDS, WHAT'S
GOING TO BENEFIT THE CITY OF TAMPA.
SO THAT IS IN THE WORKS.
WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ONE ALS UNIT IN SERVICE, OKAY, I
DID THE SAME PAGE THAT HE GETS.
THE QUESTION IS WHY DO WE HAVE THREE UNITS OUT OF NERVOUS SO
ONCE I GOT THAT PAGE I CALLED TO FIND OUT.
ALL OF A SUDDEN WE GOT FIVE UNITS IN SERVICE BECAUSE THEY
WERE SWITCHING OUT.
SO OF COURSE IT'S A LOT OF INTERNAL STUFF GOING ON.
SO WHEN YOU SEE OR WHEN THERE IS A CONCERN, I DON'T WANT TO
SAY A PROBLEM, WHEN THERE'S A CONCERN, LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT
HAPPENED BEFORE WE START PUTTING BLAME SOMEWHERE.
THAT'S ONE.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AS FAR AS WHAT THEY REQUEST, WE HAVE OVER

40 MEDICS, TAMPA HAS CLOSE TO 30, 40, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
HAS LIKE ANOTHER 20.
SO THEY ARE TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE IN CASE SOMETHING WAS TO
HAPPEN, OKAY?
THAT IS WHAT WE DO WHEN IT COMES TO SPECIAL EVENTS.
I WORK IN DIFFERENT SPECIAL EVENTS.
DO WE NEED ADDITIONAL UNITS?
I HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU THAT FOR THE LONGEST.
WHETHER THE BUDGET NEEDS TO BE INCREASED, EVERY YEAR, I
CAN'T SAY -- THE CFO IS NOTE HERE TO SAY HOW MUCH MONEY HAS
BEEN GIVEN TO FIRE IN THIS LAST BUDGET AND THE ONE BEFORE.
I HAVE ORDERED 15 NEW RESCUE CARS.
I RECEIVED TWO.
TWO OF THEM ON BACK ORDER.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT GETTING A TOYOTA VERSUS A LAMBORGHINI,
YOU ARE RIGHT, I AM DOWNSIZING BECAUSE I CAN GET MORE BANG
FOR MY BUCKS.
BUT WHICH IT COMES TO PUTTING THESE FOLKS OUT ON THE STREET
AND PUTTING PEOPLE, I WANT THE BEST BARGAIN FOR THE
COMMUNITY.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PUTTING CHASSIS, SINGLE SOURCES FOR A
PARTICULAR UNIT, I DON'T CARE WHERE YOU GO, THOSE FREIGHT
LINE CHASSIS THAT WE ARE LOOKING, I DON'T CARE WHAT
MANUFACTURER YOU GO TO, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET THEM.
NOW, THEY DO HAVE 450s AND 550s CHASSIS.

THOSE ARE THE ONES WE WENT AWAY FROM.
AS A MATTER OF FACT WE HAVE TWO WHAT USED TO BE PEAK CARS
HAVE 450, 550.
IT STAYS IN THE SHOP.
WHAT GOOD IS IT IN THE SHOP IF IT'S NOT ON THE STREET, OKAY?
SO IF SOMEONE KNOWS OF ANOTHER MANUFACTURER THAT HAS THESE
FREIGHT LINE CHASSIS, THE CHASSIS THAT WE NEED TO RESPOND TO
CALLS, I'M ALL FOR IT.
IT'S NOT ABOUT THE SINGLE SOURCE.
IT'S ABOUT GETTING THE EQUIPMENT.
NOW, WHEN IT COMES TO SINGLE SOURCING FROM ONE MANUFACTURER
TO ANOTHER ONE, THE ONE THAT WE USED TO SINGLE SOURCE, I
WENT WITH -- BEFORE THE SHARED PLAN BECAUSE THE PRICE WAS
CHEAPER SO NOW I HAVE GOTTEN MORE VEHICLES THAN WAS GOING TO
GET WITH THE SINGLE SOURCE.
SO I AM DOING HOMEWORK WHEN IT COMES TO THAT.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE UNIT HAVING 19 CALLS, YOU KNOW, I
WOULD LOVE TO SEE EXACTLY WERE THOSE CANCELS OR ACTUALLY
TRANSPORT, DID THEY GET ONSCENE?
YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT PRESIDENT STOCCO IS
BRINGING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DEFINITELY LOOK INTO BECAUSE
WHEN I SEE THERE IS A CONCERN OR ISSUE, I WANT TO TAKE CARE
OF IT.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO A LOT OF INFORMATION, LET'S GET THE
FACTS TOGETHER, OKAY.

LET'S FIND OUT WHAT, WHEN, WHERE AND HOW BEFORE WE START
POINTING FINGERS.
WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC SAFETY I'M ALL ABOUT IT.
BUT I WILL TELL YOU FROM BEING IN THIS POSITION FOR A YEAR
AND A HALF, AND WHAT WE HAVE ACCUMULATED OVER THAT YEAR AND
A HALF, IT HAS BEEN A TRUE BLESSING.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION, AND ALL OF
THE NONCESSATION, TRANSITION, TRYING TO BUY UNITS FOR THE
FUTURE.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THAT.
I CAN ONLY DO WHAT I CAN DO FOR NOW, AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE
BEEN DOING.
I HAVE BEEN INCREASING.
WE JUST GOT TWO HEAVY RESCUE.
WE JUST ORDERED THAT.
I GO DOWN NEXT WEEK TO ORDER THREE MORE ENGINES, DOWN IN
BRADENTON.
AND THEN WE CAN ORDER ANOTHER TILLER.
MY INVENTORY LIST WHEN I FIRST GOT THERE AND SAW THE AGES OF
THOSE VEHICLES, I THOUGHT, OH MY GOSH, YOU ARE RIGHT, THEY
SHOULD HAVE A BLUE TAG ON THEM.
OKAY.
BUT I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE PAST.
I CAN ONLY TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE AND WHAT I AM TRYING TO DO
FOR THE MEN AND WOMEN OF TAMPA FIRE RESCUE.

I HAVE THEIR BEST INTEREST AT MY HEART BECAUSE I WAS OUT
THERE AS WELL. I DON'T FORGET WHERE I COME FROM.
I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THEY HAVE DONE FOR TAMPA FIRE RESCUE
AND WHAT THEY DO FOR THE COMMUNITY.
BUT LET'S GET THE FACTS TOGETHER AND LIKE YOU SAID, LET'S
GET THE POLITICS. I WANT TO WORK WITH YOU, NOT AGAINST YOU.
WE HAVE A JOB TO DO.
WE HAVE PEOPLE, WE HAVE A COMMUNITY WE HAVE TO SERVE.
SO A LOT OF THE INFORMATION I AM NOT GOING TO KEEP GOING
BACK AND FORTH.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE HOSPITALS, TAMPA GENERAL, SAINT JOE'S
HAS NOT BEEN AN ISSUE.
WHEN THEY SEE TAMPA FIRE COME IN, THEY DO EVERYTHING THEY
CAN TO TRY TO OFFLOAD.
IT MIGHT BE A HICCUP BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE A TRAUMA OR
SOMETHING THAT MIGHT TAKE PRECEDENCE AND WE HAVE TO WAIT A
COUPLE MINUTES.
THE ONE PARTICULAR HOSPITAL THAT WE ARE IN PROCESS OF
COMMUNICATING WITH TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT RELATIONSHIP A
LITTLE BETTER WHEN IT COMES TO OUR UNITS.
3:43:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
3:43:25PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THE APPLICATION PROCESS, IS THAT CLOSED OR
THAT THAT OFF?
IT OPENS UP?

3:43:36PM >> I CLOSE AND OPEN BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO PUT A STRAIN ON
HR.
I LET THEM KNOW WHEN WE ARE GETTING READY BECAUSE YOU CAN
OPEN IT UP AND IT CAN STAY OPEN, BUT I AM NOT GOING TO KEEP
APPLYING BECAUSE IT'S A PROCESS.
WHEN TAMPA FIRE HIRES WE HAVE MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS THAT'S
INCLUDED IN THAT.
SO WHAT I DO, BECAUSE THE PROCESS USED TO TAKE ABOUT EIGHT
MONTHS.
WHEN I CAME ON, IT TOOK ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS.
I HAVE DECREASED THAT TO ANYWHERE BETWEEN 3 AND 4 MONTHS.
WE OPEN IT UP AT THE END OF DECEMBER.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THOSE INDIVIDUALS ON MARCH 20th.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE I WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENTS.
I LET THEM KNOW, HEY, I AM LOOKING TO HIRE.
YOU GIVE ME TWO WEEKS WHERE YOU CAN DO WHATEVER ADDITIONAL
TESTING.
AND THAT'S WHY WE DO IT THAT WAY, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT NO
ONE STAYING ON THE LIST BECAUSE IF I AM NOT IN THE PROCESS
OF INTERVIEWING I AM NOT GOING TO INTERVIEW NOBODY SO THEY
CAN SIT ON THAT LIST FOR SIX MONTHS.
SO I WOULD RATHER OPEN IT UP FOR A PERIOD, LET THEM KNOW
THIS IS THE TIME WE ARE HIRING. IF THEY WANT TO APPLY WE DO
HAVE ON THE INTERNET THAT THEY CAN GO IN AND PUT THEIR NAME
ON THE LIST SO WHEN THAT POSITION OPENS UP, I WILL SEND THEM

AN E-MAIL AND LET THEM KNOW THAT, HEY, FIREFIGHTER POSITION
IS OPEN, YOU CAN APPLY.
3:44:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:44:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST WANT TO BE SAY THANK YOU AGAIN.
IT'S EVIDENT NOW TO THE PUBLIC WHAT I HAVE EXPERIENCED IN
TALKING TO YOU PRIVATELY RECENTLY IS THAT YOU HAVE BEEN
WORKING REALLY HARD OVER THE LAST 18 OR SO MONTHS AND YOU
HAVE A HANDLE ON THE ISSUES, AND I APPRECIATE YOU PUSHING
BACK AND HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH US, ROBUST DISCUSSION WAS
US ABOUT IT.
I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT YOU COME UP WITH A PLAN.
I APPRECIATE ANY WORK YOU CAN DO TO WORK WITH NICK AND HIS
TEAM AS WELL.
THANK YOU.
3:45:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
THANK YOU, CHIEF.
NICHOLAS, PLEASE, QUICKLY.
3:45:21PM >> I GET THE LAST WORD, NICK.
3:45:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NICK STOCCO.
I HEAR PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS, AND I HEARD IT THROUGHOUT
THE MORNING, PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION, PREVIOUS
ADMINISTRATION, PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS.
WE HAVE GOT TO DO SOMETHING.
WE HAVE GOT TO DO SOMETHING NOW.

IN REGARD TO THE PEAK UNITS BEING IN THE SHOP, THAT'S
BECAUSE WE ARE RUNNING THEM TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN'T
MAINTAIN THEM AND THEY LIVE IN THE SHOP.
AND THOSE PEAK UNITS WERE DESIGNED FOR SPECIAL EVENTS, NOT
TO BE BEAT DOWN AS MUCH AS THEY ARE.
WE JUST GOT TWO NEW RESCUE, 9 AND 24.
I'M SORRY, REPLACEMENT VEHICLES.
WE GOT TWO NEW REPLACEMENT VEHICLES.
ONE IN WEST TAMPA.
ONE OVER AT 13.
WHY CAN'T WE TAKE THOSE TWO ADDITIONAL UNITS, THOSE TWO
REPLACEMENT VEHICLES, AND PUT THEM IN OTHER PARTS OF THE
CITY, AND FILL THEM LIKE WE HAD THE PEAK CAR PROGRAM, WHERE
IT'S A VOLUNTARY OVERTIME STATUS AT LEAST TO SOLVE THIS
CRISIS.
WE HAVE A CRISIS WHERE WE NEED AMBULANCE.
WE JUST GOT TWO NEW REPLACEMENTS.
WHY CAN'T WE TAKE THOSE TWO UNITS, PUT THEM RIGHT BACK ON
THE STREET, AND RUN THEM AS PEAK OVER TIME.
AND IF IT'S BUDGET OR FINANCES, I HOPE WE SET THAT ASIDE.
THANK YOU.
3:46:42PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
AS HE SAY THOSE PEAK UNITS, THOSE ARE 450s
AND 550s.
THAT'S WHY IF THERE'S A MANUFACTURER THAT CAN MAKE THOSE
VEHICLES, I DON'T WANT THEM.

I DON'T NEED THEM FOR THE COMMUNITY.
BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL.
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HELP METROPOLITAN BECAUSE THEY ARE
GOING TO STAY IN THE SHOP BECAUSE OF THE WEAR AND TEAR.
3:47:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC WHAT YOU ARE
TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE 350, 450, THEY DON'T NOTICE WHAT THAT
IS.
ROD AND REEL MAYBE.
OR THE BODY WITH 450 OR WHATEVER.
3:47:16PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE ARE USING IS A HEAVY DUTY
CHASSIS, FREIGHTLINER.
YOU HAVE A TRUCK AND THEN YOU HAVE THE BODY PART THAT HOLDS
THE BOX THAT WE ACTUALLY TRANSPORT PATIENTS IN.
SO IT'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CHASSIS.
YOU KNOW, WE ARE USING A HEAVY DUTY NOW, AND THE 450 IS LIKE
AFFORD BIG TRUCK, LIKE AN F 150.
IT'S A 450, YOU KNOW.
SO IT IS A TRUCK BUT IT'S NOT A HEAVY DUTY TRUCK TO TAKE THE
WEAR AND TEAR AND THE RESPONSE TIME OF HOW WE RUN OUR
VEHICLES.
3:47:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CHIEF BENNETT?
3:47:53PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
JUST FOR COUNCILMAN GUDES' QUESTIONS REAL
QUICK ABOUT THE 911 CENTER.
SO GREAT QUESTIONS.
THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, BECAUSE IT WAS DIFFERENT ACROSS THE

BAY, POLICE ANSWER EVERY CALL, AND THEN THEY TRANSFER TO
FIRE.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE POLICE SIDE HAS MORE INTAKE OPTIONS AND
THEY ROTATE BETWEEN TALL TAKING AND DISPATCH.
WHEN IT GETS DOWN TO FIRE, IT'S GETTING FOR DISPATCH OF SO
IT'S KIND TO GET TO FIRE.
BASED ON THE NUMBERS I HEAR WITH FIRE IN THE 90,000s, IF
YOU BREAK IT DOWN IT'S ABOUT 10 CALLS AN HOUR.
THE POLICE ARE RUNNING 60 CALLS AN HOUR, ABOUT ONE A MINUTE.
SO THE OFFSET IN LOAD IS PART OF THE REASON TOO FOR THE
DIFFERENCES IN WORKLOAD.
NOW OF COURSE FIRE CALLS ARE GOING TO BE INVOLVED WITH
TRANSPORTS AND EVERYTHING SO THAT'S WHY THE UNIT ALLOCATION
IS SO IMPORTANT, HOW MANY HOURS WITHIN 24 HOURS ARE THEY
BUSY, AND THAT'S A WORKLOAD ANALYSIS.
AND THEN OF COURSE THAT OFFSETS THE RESPONSE TIME CONCERNS
THAT WE ALL NEED TO DEFINE AS A LEVEL OF SERVICE, AND THEN
FUND THAT GAP.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE ALL NEED TO WORK TOGETHER ON.
AND YOU HEARD CHIEF TRIPP TALK ABOUT THE CAD MAKEOVER.
WE DID BUY TABLETS FOR FIRE BECAUSE I SAW THOSE MAPS, THE
REAL MAPS WHEN WE GOT HERE.
THEY HAD COFFEE STAINS ON THEM.
IT'S JUST RIDICULOUS.
WHEN I FOUND OUT THE CAD THING WAS BOGGING DOWN, CHIEF

O'HARA FOUND MONEY AND WE BOUGHT TABLETS BUT THAT WAS A
BAND-AID TO GET THEM TO THE CAD DELIVERY.
BUT AT LEAST TO GET THEM OUT OF THAT ANTIQUATED MAP THAT
THEY WERE USING HARD COPIES FOR, TRYING TO DRIVE AND FLIP
PAGES WHICH IS NO GOOD.
SO I WILL TELL YOU THAT CHIEF TRIPP AT LEAST IN MY
EXPERIENCE -- OF COURSE I HAVEN'T SEEN ALL THE OTHER
CHIEFS -- IS THE ONLY ONE BRINGING PROGRESS TO THE TABLE.
I NEED THIS, I NEED THAT.
SO YOUR SUPPORT FOR HER AS WE GO THROUGH THE NEXT BUDGET
CYCLE WILL BE PARAMOUNT.
3:49:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:49:49PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CHIEF, WITH THE DISPATCH, I KNOW POLICE
HAS HIGHER VOLUME THAN FIRE.
BUT ONE MORE FREQUENCY?
I MEAN THAT'S --
3:50:01PM >> YES, THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT.
3:50:05PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK
AT, SO YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT -- AS POLICE --
3:50:30PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND AGAIN THIS IS A LEAP OF UNDERSTANDING RIGHT NOW.
BUT BACK IN THE 2000S WHEN I WAS WORKING WITH URBAN AREA
SECURITY INITIATIVE, THEY HAD THE MPTs, THE COMPUTERS IN
THE VEHICLES, AND SOMEHOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT FELL OFF
OVER THE LAST DECADE, BUT PROBABLY THE REASON THEY HAD ONE

DISPATCH IS THEY COULD ON STAY I AM HERE, THEY COULD DO
THINGS THAT DIDN'T REQUIRE DISPATCH.
AND NOW DISPATCH IS PICKING UP THE GAP WITHOUT THE RIGHT CAD
SYSTEM.
SO WHETHER IT'S A TEMP OR FULL FIX, WE HAVE TO FIGURE THAT
OUT.
THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
3:51:04PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
3:51:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYTHING ELSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS?
CHIEF, ARE YOU FINISHED?
3:51:17PM >> YES, I AM.
3:51:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
CHIEF, HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
I AM GOING TO MAKE MY LAST STATEMENT, IF COUNCIL DOESN'T
MIND.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
BUDGET.
NEXT TIME AROUND, SHOOT US A NUMBER.
A NUMBER YOU WANT.
AND THEN I SUGGEST THAT THIS COUNCIL ADD 10% TO IT.
NOT FOR WHAT YOU WANT BUT WHAT IS NEEDED IN THE FUTURE.
THANK YOU, CHIEF.
COUNCIL, WE HAVE A QUESTION.
WE HAVE FOUR AGENDA ITEMS, 52, 53, 54, 55.
THE LEGAL REPRESENTATION FOR THE CITY HAS AN OBLIGATION AND

HAS TO BE OUT OF HERE BY 5:30.
COULD WE TAKE THOSE NEXT?
THERE'S FOUR AGENDA ITEMS, TO ENSURE THAT THEY GET HEARD
WITH LEGAL HERE?
3:52:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AT
9:30 A.M.
3:52:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANYONE WHO IS GOING TO BE GIVING ANY TYPE OF TESTIMONY IN
ANY OF THE HEARINGS FOR THE REMAINDER, PLEASE RISE AND BE
SWORN IN.
MS. BARNES, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND FOR THE HECK OF IT.
THANK YOU.
3:52:43PM >>THE CLERK:

(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
3:52:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU ALL.
LET'S GO TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 52.
MS. BARNES, ARE YOU GOING TO LEAD US OFF ON THAT?
3:53:02PM >>ANNIE BARNES:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM NUMBER 52 IS REZ 22-82 BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
READING AND ADOPTION.
FOR 6204 INTERBAY BOULEVARD.
REQUEST IS TO REZONE PROPERTY FROM RS-60 TO PD FOR
RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED.

A DAYCARE CENTER, STRIP SHOPPING CENTER, INCLUDING CM USES,
MEDICAL OFFICE AND RESTAURANT.
SITE PLANS WERE DROPPED OFF TO COUNCIL CHAMBERS EARLIER THIS
WEEK.
I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
3:53:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. BARNES?
THANK YOU.
PETITIONER.
3:53:42PM >>DAVID MECHANIK:
DAVID MECHANIK, HERE ON BEHALF OF THE
APPLICANTS OMAR GARCIA, DAVID CHIR, AND WE ARE HERE TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS TODAY.
3:53:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
IS THERE ANYONE IN CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 52, FILE REZ 22-82?
SEEING NONE, DO WE HAVE ANYONE ONLINE?
YES, CAN YOU PLEASE BE SWORN AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND TO BE
SWORN IN?
(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
3:54:23PM >> I DO.
3:54:30PM >>THE CLERK:
THANK YOU.
3:54:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, MA'AM.
3:54:33PM >> MY NAME IS LORRAINE PARRINO. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE
TAMPA -- GROUP. [AUDIO DISTORTION]
WHEN MY DAUGHTER WAS IN JUNIOR HIGH -- IT WAS VERY
OPPRESSIVE.

THIS IS THE LAST PRISTINE PROPERTY LEFT IN THE INTERBAY
AREA, ONE OF THE MOST OVER-DEVELOPED AREAS IN SOUTH TAMPA.
YET ON THIS UNDEVELOPED PIECE OF PROPERTY CONTAINING 165
TREES, 50% AND ALLOW THEM TO RETAIN A MERE 10% OF THE 165
TREES ON THIS PROPERTY.
IN OTHER WORDS, DEVELOPER PLANS TO REMOVE 92 OF THE 165
TREES ON THIS PROPERTY.
THOSE 92 TREES.
TAMPA TREE CODE REQUIRES 230 TREES TO MITIGATE THE VOLUME OF
THOSE 92 TREES, 221 OF WHICH WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE PASSED
ON, THE MOST VALUABLE SHADE TREES.
THE ARBORIST STATES THIS HAS PROPERTY HAS CONSIDERABLE TREE
COVER, ONLY TO FIND THE PROPERTY IS LOSING CANOPY COVER
WHICH COVERS MORE THAN FOUR ACRES OF LAND.
THE CITY OF TAMPA ARBORIST FOUND IT INCONSISTENT WITH
THE CITY'S TREE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
THE CITY'S TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT ALSO FOUND THIS PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT TO BE INCONSISTENT TO POTENTIAL VIOLATION OF THE
TREE CODE. MITIGATING THE EFFECTS IN SOUTH TAMPA.
ONCE THE TREES ARE REMOVED THEY WILL BE GONE FOREVER.
AND TAMPA RESIDENTS WILL BE FOREVER DEPRIVED OF ALL THE
BENEFITS.
AT THE DECEMBER REZONING HEARING, SEVERAL TAMPA RESIDENTS
TESTIFIED THAT THEY -- CONDOS IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
HOWEVER THESE CONDOS, HOW MANY CURRENTLY RESIDING AND HOW

MANY YOUNG PEOPLE CAN PURCHASE A CONDO AT THAT PRICE TAG?
THE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO I MEET ARE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS
BECAUSE THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO BUY A HOUSE IN TAMPA.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHO YOU THINK YOU ARE REPRESENTING WHEN
YOU APPROVE ONE CONDO DEVELOPMENT AFTER ANOTHER HERE IN
TAMPA BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE NOT REPRESENTING THE
MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO WORK HERE AND WHO WOULD LIKE TO
RESIDE IN TAMPA.
I AM REALLY SICK AND TIRED OF THE CITY PLAYING POOR MOUTH
WHEN IT COMES TO BUYING PROPERTY LIKE THIS AND TURN IT INTO
A PUBLIC PARK FOR THE PUBLIC BENEFIT.
IS THE CITY EVEN PLANTING THE 1,000 TREES MANDATED BY
THE TAMPA TREE ORDINANCE?
TAMPA IS LOSING OAKS AT A GREAT RATE DUE TO OVERDEVELOPMENT.
I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET AN ANSWER FROM THE CITY
CONTEMPLATING -- [BELL SOUNDS]
PLEASE CONSIDER TO NOT ALLOW THIS REZONING REQUEST AND
PRESERVE ONE OF TAMPA'S CITY PARCELS WITH NATURAL BEAUTY FOR
TAMPA'S RESIDENTS --
3:57:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
THANK YOU.
3:57:51PM >>THE CLERK:
THANK YOU.
3:57:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE ONLINE?
ANYBODY ELSE IN CHAMBERS?
3:57:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO CLOSE.

3:57:59PM >> SECOND.
3:57:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY -- REBUTTAL?
3:58:08PM >>DAVID MECHANIK:
VERY BRIEFLY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
WE ADDRESSED THE TREES EXTENSIVELY DURING THE HEARING IN
DECEMBER.
I WOULD JUST REMIND COUNCIL THAT 85% OF THE TREES WERE
EITHER IN FAIR OR POOR CONDITION.
WE ARE SAVING ALL OF THE GRAND TREES.
REGARDING THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT, WE
ADDRESSED ALL THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS EXCEPT THEY HAVE WHAT
THEY CALL A TECHNICAL OBJECTION BECAUSE WE HAD A 1.4%
REDUCTION IN PARKING, WHICH IS VIRTUALLY -- IT'S MINUSCULE.
AND WITH THAT, I LEAVE IT TO COUNCIL.
WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL.
THANK YOU.
3:59:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
3:59:11PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO PASS ON READING IT BUT CAN
I MAKE A STATEMENT?
OR HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE READ IT FIRST?
3:59:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SURELY.
3:59:24PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST A STATEMENT.

LAST TIME I VOTED FOR THIS, A BIG TREE ADVOCATE, WE WANT TO
PROTECT AS MANY TREES AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
WE SPENT A LARGE AMOUNT OF TIME LAST TIME ASKING QUESTIONS
ABOUT THE CITY AND THE APPLICANT'S TREE EXPERTS ABOUT THESE
TREES.
AND IN WEIGHING WHAT THE CURRENT USES ARE, WHAT THEY COULD
DO NOW, THERE ARE SOME CASES, EVEN WHERE I LIVE, WHERE NOW
THE RESIDENTS WHICH THEY HAD APPROVED -- OR PUSHED FOR
SOMETHING THAT THEY WANTED US TO VOTE AGAINST.
AND IN THIS CASE, WHEN THE POSSIBILITIES OF WHAT COULD
HAPPEN TO THE TREES IN ANOTHER CIRCUMSTANCE.
I VOTED FOR IT AND I WILL CONTINUE TO VOTE FOR IT, BUT THAT
DOESN'T CHANGE HOW I FEEL ABOUT TREES.
IT'S SAD TO ME WHEN ANY TREES ARE TORN DOWN BUT I WOULD
RATHER SAVE AS MANY OF THESE TREES AS I CAN, WHERE WE CAN
POTENTIALLY END UP.
THANK YOU.
4:00:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
4:00:27PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY, I WILL READ IT, SIR.
4:00:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
I WAS GOING TO GO TO YOU.
I GO TO YOU.
4:00:33PM >>LUIS VIERA:
ITEM -- SORRY, LONG DAY -- MOVE ITEM 52.
FILE NUMBER REZ 22-82.
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION,

AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
6204 INTERBAY BOULEVARD IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND
MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING
DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS 30 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY TO
PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED,
DAYCARE, TRIP SHOPPING CENTER, INCLUDING CN USES, MEDICAL
OFFICE AND RESTAURANT, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
4:01:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
4:01:12PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK VOTING NO.
4:01:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 53.
FILE REZ 22-75.
4:01:29PM >>ANNIE BARNES:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM NUMBER 53 IS REZ 22-75, FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION, FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1603 NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE
AND 318 AND 320 EAST HENDERSON AVENUE, REZONING PROPERTY
FROM RM-24 AND PD TO PD FOR EMERGENCY SHELTER FACILITY,
COMMERCIAL OFF-STREET PARKING AND BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL
OFFICE.
SITE PLANS WERE DROPPED OFF EARLIER THIS WEEK.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
4:02:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. BARNES? SEEING NONE.

PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND TO BE SWORN IN.
(OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK)
4:02:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE PROCEED.
4:02:22PM >> ALEX SCHALER, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE FOR THE RECORD.
THIS WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED BACK IN DECEMBER. WE HAVE
MADE ALL THE REVISIONS ASKED BY STAFF.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
4:02:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?
ANYONE ONLINE TO SPEAK TO THIS?
ANYONE IN CHAMBERS?
MOTION BY GUDES, SECOND BY MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
4:02:55PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE 53, REZ 22-75,
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION,
AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
1603 NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE AND 318 AND 320 EAST HENDERSON
AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY
DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION
RM-24 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY AND PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO
PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, EMERGENCY SHELTER FACILITY,
COMMERCIAL OFF-STREET PARKING AND BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL
OFFICE, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
4:03:26PM >> SECOND.
4:03:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED

BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
4:03:35PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH HURTAK BEING
ABSENT AT VOTE.
4:03:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM 54.
FILE REZ 22-90.
4:03:54PM >>ANNIE BARNES:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. ITEM 54 IS REZ
22-90 PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING FOR 2500 WEST AZEELE
STREET REZONING PROPERTY FROM PD TO PD FOR BUSINESS
PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.
SITE PLANS WERE DROPPED OFF EARLIER THIS WEEK.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
4:04:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. BARNES?
4:04:13PM >> KAMI CORBETT WITH THE LAW FIRM OF HILL, WARD, HENDERSON.
HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
4:04:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE IN CHAMBERS THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO
THIS?
4:04:23PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
4:04:24PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
4:04:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECOND
BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
4:04:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY
IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 2500 WEST AZEELE STREET IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION PD PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL
OFFICE, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
4:04:51PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND.
4:04:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
4:05:02PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
4:05:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 55, FILE.
4:05:35PM >>ANNIE BARNES:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. ITEM 55 IS REZ
22-100 REZONING PROPERTY FROM RM 24 TO PD RESIDENTIAL
MULTIFAMILY.
SITE PLANS WERE DROPPED OFF EARLIER THIS WEEK.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
4:05:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. BARNES?
SEEING NONE, MS. SCHALER.
4:05:48PM >> ALEX SCHALER, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE, FOR THE RECORD.
THIS WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED IN DECEMBER. WE MADE ALL THE

STAFF-REQUESTED REVISIONS. I AM AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
4:06:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER?
IS THERE ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:06:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
REZ 22-100. ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY
IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 2401 WEST PLATT STREET IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RM-24
RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT,
RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
4:06:46PM >> SECOND.
4:06:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
4:06:53PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
4:06:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:07:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE THE RESOLUTION ATTACHED TO THIS.
4:07:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.

ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NOW, GOING BACK, WE HAVE A WALK-ON AGENDA ITEM.
I HOPE THE PEOPLE ARE STILL HERE FOR THAT.
RIGHT HERE.
MEMORANDUM, RESOLUTION.
4:07:36PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THOSE ARE ALLEY VACATING.
WE NEED TO GET MS. JOHNSON-VELEZ.
SHE HAD TO LEAVE.
I WOULD LIKE TO DO IT BUT --
4:07:53PM >> FILE NUMBER E-2022-48.
4:07:56PM >> THIS IS MARCIE HAMILTON, LEGAL DEPARTMENT, WITH A
WALK-ON, BASED ON A MOTION REGARDING THE USE OF THE CITY'S
BLACK HISTORY COMMITTEE FOR THEIR CEREMONIES IN FEBRUARY AND
ALSO IN MAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE COPIES --
4:08:31PM >> THIS IS JUST FOR THE USE OF THE CITY SEAL, CORRECT?
4:08:33PM >> IT'S FOR THE USE OF THE CITY SEAL.
4:08:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAD A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THANK YOU.
THAT TAKES CARE OF THE WALK-ON AGENDA ITEMS.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4, FILE PS 23-79171.

MY APOLOGIES.
FILE BZP 23-78936.
4:09:13PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY.
THIS IS A RESOLUTION THAT WAS ON YOUR AGENDA FOR JANUARY
5th.
WE HAD TO HOLD THIS TILL THIS MEETING BECAUSE YOU NEEDED TO
ACT UPON IT AS A CRA FIRST BEFORE WE MOVE THE MONEY.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I AM HERE.
4:09:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
4:09:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED BY
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR?
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
OKAY, FILE PS 23-79171.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4.
4:09:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WOULD MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
I BROUGHT THIS UP EARLIER WHEN WE DISCUSSED THE
FIREFIGHTERS.
WE ARE INVESTING IN 100 VEHICLES FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT,
AND HOW APPROPRIATE ON THE DAY WE ARE DISCUSSING SO MANY
NEEDS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SO MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
4:10:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED
BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

ALL IN FAVOR?
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MOTION PASSES.
MR. BHIDE, ARE YOU WITH US?
THERE YOU ARE, MR. BHIDE.
THANK YOU.
4:10:25PM >>VIK BHIDE:
VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR, MOBILITY DEPARTMENT, ON
ITEMS 5 AND 6.
THEY BOTH REFER TO THE LOWER PENINSULA FLOODING PROJECT.
THIS IS A $6 MILLION PROJECT JUST NORTH OF MacDILL.
OTHER IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDING LIMITED WATER, IMPROVEMENTS, A
NEW STORMWATER POND, ON EXISTING PROPERTY, THAT IS DESIGNED
TO PRESERVE, CREDIT SOME PUBLIC AMENITIES.
AND COUNCIL APPROVED CONSTRUCTION LATE LAST YEAR.
THIS IS FOR FUNDING FOR 12.5 MILLION AND ITEM 6 IS THE
TRANSACTION FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, LESS $35,000.
AT THIS TIME, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
4:11:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BHIDE?
WE HAVE COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
4:11:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO THIS IS PART OF THE 251
MILLION-DOLLAR STORMWATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS FROM
2016.
THIS IS NOT A LOWER PENINSULA?
GLAD TO SEE THAT.

SO I WILL GLADLY SUPPORT IT.
THANK YOU.
4:12:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:12:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO WE HAVE THE NAME OF THE CONTRACTOR?
4:12:12PM >>VIK BHIDE:
YES.
THE PRIME CONTRACTOR WAS KIMMINS.
4:12:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANTED TO ASK.
4:12:30PM >> KIMMINS WORKED ON WESTSHORE AND ALL THAT.
YES, THERE WERE COMPLICATIONS.
IT'S A MAJOR PROJECT.
EXCELLENT RESPONSE TIME.
EXCELLENT EVERYTHING.
SO I THINK WE ARE IN VERY GOOD HANDS FOR THIS.
THANK YOU.
4:12:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LET'S TAKE THESE MOTIONS, RESOLUTIONS ONE
AT A TIME.
4:12:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE NUMBER 5.
4:12:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED
BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA TO MOVE FILE PW 23-79284.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
4:13:07PM >>VIK BHIDE:
CHAIR, IS IT 283?
4:13:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I'M SORRY?
4:13:14PM >>VIK BHIDE:
I HAVE 283.

4:13:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT'S CORRECT.
DYSLEXIA TAKING OVER AGAIN.
YOU ARE CORRECT.
FILE NUMBER PW 23-79276, MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
VIK, I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR WORKING SO
HARD ON THIS.
I HAVE MADE A PLEDGE TO OPPOSE WHICH IS A GROUP OF RELIGIOUS
CONGREGATIONS, AND THEY ASKED ME TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
RETENTION POND WOULD NOT JUST BE RETENTION POND THAT THEY
WOULD ACTUALLY GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY, AND VIK, WITH
YOUR HELP, THIS IS NOT JUST GOING TO BE AN UNSIGHTLY
RETENTION POND.
THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE A HABITAT FOR NATURE, AND
BEAUTIFUL, AND BE ABLE TO BE VIEWED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HARD WORK.
4:14:16PM >>VIK BHIDE:
THANK YOU, SIR.
AND STORMWATER, AN INCREDIBLE JOB.
4:14:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. BHIDE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7.
FILE PW 23-79310.
4:14:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
[OFF MICROPHONE] A MEMO FROM MR.
WASHINGTON AND I AM GOOD TO GO WITH THE RESOLUTION.

4:14:47PM >> SECOND.
4:14:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. WASHINGTON?
ARE YOU THERE?
4:14:56PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
YES, SIR, I AM.
THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
4:15:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
4:15:11PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
THANK YOU.
4:15:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
AGENDA NUMBER 8, CM 22-78780.
WE DID THAT, RIGHT YOU ARE RIGHT.
4:15:25PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
ITEM NUMBER 9.
YOU ARE REFERENCING ITEM NUMBER 8 WHICH IS A REPORT FROM
CHIEF TRIPP.
ITEM 10 IS THE SAFETY IMPACT FEES.
I DELIVERED A MEMO TO YOU ALL. I OUTLINED THE STEPS. WE
HAD A PROLONGED CONVERSATION ABOUT THE USE OF THE FIRE
DEPARTMENT HERE.
PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT FEES CAN ONLY BE USED BECAUSE THEY ARE
CHARGED ON NEW BUILDING PERMITS TO OFFSET THE IMPACTS OF NEW

GROWTH.
YOU CAN'T USE IT FOR EXISTING DEFICITS.
IT'S FOR ACTUALLY CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE, CAPACITY BUILDING.
WE CAN USE TO THE BUY ADDITIONAL FIRE EQUIPMENT, TRUCKS THAT
ARE NEEDED, EMS.
THERE IS A PROCESS THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH,
STUDIES.
WE DO NOT HAVE THAT WORKSHOP.
IT HAS TO BE ADOPTED BY ORDINANCES, ALL SPELLED OUT IN
FLORIDA STATUTES, AND ANY EFFORT TO SHORT CHANGE THE PROCESS
COULD BE PROBLEMATIC.
THERE HAVE BEEN SOME IMPACT FEES THAT HAVE BEEN CHALLENGED
BECAUSE THEY TRIED TO SHORT-CHANGE THE PROCESS, AND THEY
HAVE BEEN OVERTURNED.
4:16:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
FOR CLARIFICATION, AND SO THE VIEWING
AUDIENCE KNOWS WE ARE ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9, CM 23-79313.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:16:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THIS AND I KNOW
THAT THE PROCESS IS LONG.
SO MY GOAL IS TO FIND OUT WHAT THE PROCESS IS, AND THANK YOU
FOR DETAILING THAT.
IT WAS VERY CLEAR IN YOUR MEMO.
AND I JUST WANT TO GET THE BALL ROLLING.
SO IF YOU TELL ME WHAT MOTION I NEED TO MAKE TO DO THE FIRST
STEP, I WILL DO IT RIGHT NOW.

4:17:06PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I THINK THE FIRST STEP WOULD BE TO ASK
REVENUE, FINANCE AND PURCHASING TO COME FORWARD, MAYBE TWO
WEEKS OR 30 DAYS, FIRST OF ALL WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE
A CONSULTANT THAT WE HAVE ALREADY UNDER CONTRACT WITH THE
CITY TO PERFORM THE STUDY BECAUSE THAT'S THE FIRST STEP.
SO WE USED TO HAVE A COMPANY THAT'S CAPABLE OF DOING THIS,
AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT CONTRACT MAY HAVE TERMINATED
BUT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF RENEWING IT.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST STEP TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE
A CONSULTANT ON BOARD, AND THEN THEY WOULD THEN TAKE IT FROM
THERE TO MAKE THE APPROPRIATE ANALYSIS.
4:17:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WONDERFUL. THEN I MAKE A MOTION THAT
REVENUE AND FINANCE COME IN FRONT OF US ON FEBRUARY 2nd
TO LET US KNOW THE FEASIBILITY OF GETTING THAT STUDY
STARTED.
4:17:56PM >> SECOND.
4:17:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
MR. SHELBY?
4:18:06PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AS PART OF THE MOTION THE STUDY FOR, SO
IT'S PART OF THE MOTION.
4:18:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT FEE.
4:18:13PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
4:18:16PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE HAD A MEETING THE OTHER DAY ABOUT STAFF

REPORTS THAT COULD BE LONG DISCUSSIONS.
I COULD JUST MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT WE MUTT THIS ON A
WORKSHOP DAY INSTEAD SO WE COULD GET ROBUST PUBLIC INPUT?
4:18:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE NEXT REAL WORKSHOP DAY IS NEXT WEEK, AND
THEN FOR THE 23rd, WORKSHOP, WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE,
FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE, TEN ITEMS.
4:18:42PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO
HEAR.
I DON'T KNOW, WE BROUGHT THIS UP IN SOME SMALLER COMMUNITY
MEETINGS, BUT I THINK IT'S GOOD TO FIND OUT WHAT LARGER
GROUPS OF THE PUBLIC THINK ABOUT IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF DEVELOPERS MAY BE FOR OR AGAINST IT OR
NEIGHBORHOODS MAY BE FOR OR AGAINST IT.
BEFORE WE HAVE THE CITY SPEND A LOT OF MONEY, IT WOULD BE
NICE TO BE HEAR WHAT THE PUBLIC THINKS ABOUT IT.
4:19:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY. IF WE WANT TO DO THAT, THEN PROBABLY
THE BEST ONE WOULD BE MARCH 23rd.
4:19:21PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
WE COULD HAVE A WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS THE
FEASIBILITY, THE NEXT STEPS.
4:19:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HONESTLY, THOUGH, I THINK IT GOES WELL WITH
THE PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN.
I JUST HATE TO OVERLOAD THAT WORKSHOP, BUT IT DOES DOVETAIL
PERFECTLY WITH THE PUBLIC SAFETY PLAN.
I AM GOING TO MAKE MY MOTION TO DO IT FEBRUARY 23rd AND

WE CAN TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT.
4:19:44PM >> MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
WHO WAS THE SECOND ON THAT?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
NOW WE ARE BACK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10, FILE CM 22-77745.
4:20:04PM >>OCEA WYNN:
GOOD AFTERNOON, CITY COUNCIL.
OCEA WYNN, ADMINISTRATOR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY AFFAIRS.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10 WAS TO PROVIDE A REPORT ON THE
PURCHASE OF SANDBAGGING MACHINES.
AND I SUBMITTED A MEMO, WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT QUESTIONS DO
YOU HAVE?
4:20:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
QUESTIONS FOR MS. WYNN?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, THIS WAS YOUR MOTION.
4:20:28PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST WANTED THE PUBLIC TO HEAR WE ARE
MOVING FORWARD.
THIS WAS SOMETHING DURING THE LAST COUPLE OF HURRICANES,
SEVERAL OF US GOT LOTS OF CALLS ON IT.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU ARE ALSO BUYING THREE OF THEM?
SO ANYBODY WHO WAS FRUSTRATED STANDING IN LINE, THE CITY IS
NOW BUYING THREE OF THESE SO THANK YOU.
4:20:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IN ADDITION YOU DID MENTION IN THE MEMO THAT
WE WILL BE EXPANDING THE NUMBER OF PARKS THAT HAVE SANDBAGS,

CORRECT?
4:20:57PM >>OCEA WYNN:
YES.
WHAT WE ARE DOING NOW, WE LOOKED AT THIS, DURING THE LAST
HURRICANE SEASON, WE ARE LOOKING AT WHERE WE COULD HAVE
ADDITIONAL LOCATIONS FOR SANDBAG SITES.
THE CHALLENGE IS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE PROPER INGRESS AND
EGRESS SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT BOTTLENECK IN THE STREET AS WE
EXPERIENCED DURING THE PREVIOUS HURRICANE SEASON.
SO WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF EVALUATING THOSE SITES THAT
COULD BE USED FOR ADDITIONAL SANDBAG STATIONS.
4:21:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GREAT.
THANK YOU.
4:21:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
MS. WYNN, THIS IS GREAT NEWS.
I KNOW THAT MYSELF, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA -- EXCUSE ME,
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND COUNCILMAN VIERA WERE OUT FILLING
SANDBAGS IN THE LAST HURRICANE.
I PERSONALLY FILLED OVER 200 OF THEM.
THIS IS GOING TO MAKE THE PROCESS A LOT QUICKER.
THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN EACH PLACE GETTING SANDBAGS
FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND NEEDED HELP.
THANKS SO MUCH.
4:21:56PM >>OCEA WYNN:
YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME.
THANK YOU.
4:21:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11.

WE ARE GOING TO HEAR THAT, AND THEN I BELIEVE MS. DUNCAN, IS
GOING TO TALK ABOUT 12, 13, 27 AND 28.
4:22:14PM >> I BELIEVE THAT'S 27 AND 28.
4:22:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
27 AND 28.
FIRST HEAR AGENDA ITEM 11, FILE CM 23-79470.
4:22:28PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS,
STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
WE HAVE BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU BEFORE TO TALK ABOUT THIS
PROJECT.
I THINK WE HAVE WORKED ON MANY ISSUES AND HAVE RESOLVED A
FEW ISSUES, AND MADE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO PROJECTS.
TODAY WE ARE HERE TO SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT THE WORK AND
THE PROGRESS AND THE SCHEDULE THROUGHOUT THIS, AND ALSO I
WOULD LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE WORK ON CENTRAL AS
WELL.
AND I HAVE WITH ME JEFF NELSON WHO IS PRESIDENT OF NELSON
CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, SO I WOULD LIKE HIM TO GO OVER THOSE
DETAILS.
I ALSO HAVE WITH ME MIKE TUCKER, CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION.
WITH THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO JEFF.
4:23:28PM >> GOOD EVENING.
JEFF NELSON, NELSON CONSTRUCTION.
FOR THE WORK ON CREST, WE HAD ABOUT 3,600 FEET OF SANITARY
SEWER IN PREPARATION TO INSTALL THE NEW LARGE STORM PIPE FOR

THE STREET.
UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN WE WENT TO INSTALL THE LARGE STORM PIPE,
WE FOUND A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF UNSUITABLE MATERIAL UNDER
THAT BOX CULVERT.
THE REMOVAL OF THAT BOX CULVERT RESULTED IN SOME OF THAT
SANITARY SEWER SETTLING AND MOVING, SO WE HAD TO GO BACK TO
THE SEWER LINE.
WE WERE ABLE TO REPAIR THE VAST MAJORITY OF IT, ABOUT 90
PERCENT OF IT. THE LAST 10% WE FINALLY SAID WE ARE GOING TO
RELAY THAT 3 OR 400 FEET OF PIPE.
WE ARE CURRENTLY SCHEDULED TO PAVE NEXT FRIDAY.
I BELIEVE OUR ORIGINAL SCHEDULE THAT WE GAVE THE CITY IN
SPITE OF ALL THE UNSUITABLE MATERIALS, THE ORIGINAL
PRECONSTRUCTION INDICATED US PAVING AT THE END OF LAST YEAR
OR THE END OF JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.
SO IN SPITE OF ALL, WE ARE STILL WITHIN THE ORIGINAL TARGET
OF WHAT WE SAID BACK BEFORE THE FIRST SHOVELFUL OF DIRT.
ALSO THE WORK ON FLORIDA AVENUE.
PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION, WE MET WITH THE D.O.T., WE HAD VERY
DETAILED INSTRUCTIONS ON WHAT THEY WANTED US TO BUILD ON
THEIR ROADWAY.
WE WENT OUT THERE AND BUILT, AND WE ENCOUNTERED SIGNIFICANT
ADDITIONAL OLD PIPES THAT WE HAD TO REPLACE BEYOND THE
ORIGINAL SCOPE.
BUT I BELIEVE WE FINISHED WITHIN THE ORIGINAL TIME FRAME

ALLOTTED.
UNFORTUNATELY WHEN THE D.O.T. CAME OUT TO DO THEIR FINAL
INSPECTION, THEY LOOKED AT WHAT THEY ASKED US TO BUILD AND
DECIDED IT'S NOT WHAT THEY WANT.
SO OUR ENGINEERS ARE NOW WORKING WITH D.O.T. TO MAKE SOME
CHANGES TO THE CURBS AND INLETS, AND UNTIL WE GET THE ANSWER
ON WHAT THEY WANT, WE ARE HESITANT TO PUT THAT ASPHALT DOWN
BECAUSE WHATEVER WE PUT DOWN WILL PROBABLY GET MESSED UP.
SO WE ARE IN THAT POSITION WITH FDOT.
ON CARACAS AND CENTRAL AVENUE, WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A
HICCUP.
WE HAD SOME EQUIPMENT GET VANDALIZED. IT'S THE MOST
DIFFICULT PIPE WE HAVE ON THE ENTIRE JOB.
WE ONLY HAD ACCESS FROM ONE SIDE BECAUSE THE OTHER SIDE IS
BLOCKED BY THE INTERSTATE.
VERY NARROW RIGHT-OF-WAY.
VERY DEEP CUTS.
WE ENDED UP HAVING TO LAY THE PIPE BACKWARDS TO GET ACCESS
WHICH WAS AN ACCESS ISSUE WHICH WAS VERY CHALLENGING.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAD SOME VANDALISM TO SOME OF OUR
EQUIPMENT ALONG THAT WAY, AND ONE OF OUR LASERS GOT
VANDALIZED ALSO WHICH AFFECTS THE ALIGNMENTS AND THE
CALIBRATION.
WE HAD TO GO BACK AND WORK WITH THE CITY.
WE DISCOVERED THAT BACK IN SEPTEMBER.

WE WORKED WITH THE CITY TO SEE WHAT WE COULD SALVAGE.
WE ARE STILL IN DISCUSSION TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT WE CAN
SALVAGE.
SO WE ARE RELAYING WHAT WE NEED TO LAY AND WE ARE WORKING
WITH WHAT WE CAN SALVAGE.
UNFORTUNATELY, AGAIN BECAUSE OF THE TYPE NATURE OF THAT
PARTICULAR RIGHT-OF-WAY, IT'S GOING TO BE TIME CONSUMING.
WE GOT FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS ABOUT THE NOISE, THE
CLANGING, THE WORK LIKE THAT.
SO WE SHIPPED OUT TRENCH BOXES AND ARE GOING TO BURY THEM
AND LEAVE THEM IN PLACE AND TRY TO DO LESS INTRUSIVE
INSTALLATION.
IT MAY TAKE A LITTLE LONGER BUT IT WON'T BE AS NOISY AND
CLANGY AS BEHIND US, AND ONCE WE GET OUT TO CENTRAL, THERE'S
ABOUT FOUR JOINTS OF PIPING, WE CAN'T TAKE THOSE UP UNTIL WE
GET OUT OF CARACAS. IT WILL BLOCK OUR ACCESS.
AGAIN, IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT, NARROW WORK.
OUR EXPECTATION IS WE SHOULD BE DONE WITH THE PIPE WORK ON
CARACAS MID MARCH, TURN ONTO CENTRAL, AND START CLEANING OUT
OF THERE LATE APRIL, EARLY MAY.
THAT'S OUR PLAN.
WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED LAYING PIPE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE
INTERSTATE HEADING TOWARDS NEBRASKA BUT WE CAN ONLY GO SO
FAR SO WE ARE NEED CENTRAL AS A DETOUR, SO WE ARE GOING TO
GET CENTRAL CLEANED UP AND GET OUT OF THERE.

OUR PLAN WAS WE WERE ALMOST OUT OF THAT WHOLE AREA BY
DECEMBER 31st.
THAT WAS OUR PLAN.
AND THEN IT CAME TO THE POINT WE DIDN'T THINK -- WE DIDN'T
WANT TO SELL THE CITY PIPE THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT, AND THERE
MIGHT BE A MAINTENANCE ISSUE DOWN THE ROAD.
SO WE ARE GOING TO TEAR THAT PIPE UP AND MAKE IT RIGHT. SO
WE ARE MAKING IT RIGHT.
SO THE EXPECTATION IS HOPEFULLY WE CAN MEET THOSE BUT WE ARE
TRYING TO BE REALISTIC BUT STILL PUSHING OUR GUYS TO TRY TO
MEET THOSE GOALS, AND GET OUT OF THIS PROJECT IN SIX MONTHS
OVERALL.
4:27:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU FOR THAT UPDATE.
I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
SO STARTING WITH THE EAST CARACAS, AND I DO UNDERSTAND IT'S
OUT OF ALIGNMENT.
AND VERY NARROW STREET, THE RESIDENTS ARE REALLY FRUSTRATED.
THEY ARE OVER IT.
BUT THEIR BIGGEST CONCERN WAS HOW DID THIS HAPPEN?
IT SOUNDS LIKE THE LASER WAS UNDONE, BUT HOW DO WE PREVENT
THAT IN THE FUTURE AS THIS PROJECT CONTINUES?
HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT AS WE ARE LAYING EVERYTHING IS
WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE PUT?
4:28:29PM >> WE HAVE ONLY HAD THIS HAPPEN ONCE IN 47 YEARS OF LAYING
PIPE FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.

IT'S THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS HAPPENED TO US.
WE HAVE REACHED OUT, SEVERAL PIECES ON THAT PARTICULAR ROAD
THAT GOT VANDALIZED.
IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO KNOCK A LASER OUT OF CALIBRATION.
SO WE CHECKED THAT.
THEY ARE ROUTINELY CALIBRATED.
AND IT WAS JUST A COUPLE MONTHS PRIOR TO US STARTING THERE
BUT IT GOT KICKED, IT GOT KNOCKED OVER, SOMETHING HAPPENED
TO IT.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO IT.
THESE THINGS HAPPEN.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT HAPPENED ON THE WORST PIPE ON THIS ENTIRE
JOB.
AND WE LAID THOUSANDS OF FEET OF THIS VERY LARGE PIPE.
4:29:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND WHO IS PAYING FOR THIS ADDITIONAL WORK?
4:29:15PM >> WE HAVE GOT THE MONEY IN OUR CONTINGENCY.
4:29:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I ALSO WANTED TO GO DOWN TO THE FDOT.
SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT FDOT TOLD YOU THEY WANTED ONE
THING, YOU PUT IT IN, AND IT'S LIKE, OH, NEVER MIND.
4:29:31PM >> WE MET WITH FDOT.
WE HAD A SET OF PLANS, REVIEWED, HAD TO GET A PERMIT FOR
THAT WORK.
THEY ADDED SEVERAL ITEMS OF WORK THAT WE GLADLY
INCORPORATED.
WE PARTNERED WITH THEM.

THEN WHEN THEY CAME OUT TO DO THE FINAL INSPECTION, THEY
SAID, OH, THOSE DON'T WORK FOR US.
OKAY, WELL TELL US WHAT YOU WANT.
WE WILL BE HAPPY TO DO IT BUT WE CAN'T WRAP UP FLORIDA UNTIL
THEY TELL US WHAT THEY WANT ON THEIR ROADWAY.
SO WE ARE ACTIVELY ENGAGED WITH THEM.
4:30:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ARE THEY TAKING THAT COST?
4:30:04PM >> THAT HAS NOT BEEN DECIDED JUST YET.
I AM NOT SURE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
WE HAVE CONTINGENCY MONEY IN OUR BUDGET, BUT AGAIN IT WOULD
HAVE BEEN NICE IF D.O.T. TOLD US WHAT THEY WANTED THE FIRST
TIME.
4:30:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND I AM SORRY FOR ASKING BECAUSE I DON'T
THINK IT'S SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IF THEY GOT IT
WRONG.
YOU DIDN'T GET IT WRONG.
WITH THE SPECS AND EVERYTHING.
SO I WOULD LOVE AN UPDATE IN THE FUTURE ON THE COST.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE ON YOUR TIMELINE FOR JANUARY.
I DO KNOW THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE STARTING THE OTHER SIDE
OF CENTRAL, THE OTHER SIDE OF HILLSBOROUGH, WORKING ON
CENTRAL.
WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE STARTING THAT?
4:30:50PM >> OUR GOAL IS TO BE UP THERE COME MARCH BUT WE NEED TO
FOCUS ON GETTING THAT WRAPPED UP, PAVED AND OUT OF THERE SO

WE CAN OPEN IT TO TRAFFIC BEFORE WE GO NORTH.
OUR IMPETUS IS ON GETTING THAT -- THAT'S THE KEY TO THE
WHOLE JOB IS MOVING THAT ALONG.
WE GAINED SOME TIME ON THE SCHEDULE.
WE ARE GETTING A LITTLE BIT OF IT BACK.
I THINK WE ARE GOING TO BE BETTER THAN WE ORIGINALLY
EXPECTED, BUT --
4:31:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM GOING TO REQUEST A COMMUNITY MEETING
BEFORE YOU START THAT NEW SECTION, MAYBE A MONTH AHEAD OF
TIME, SO FOLKS ARE AWARE.
4:31:26PM >> ABSOLUTELY.
4:31:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND I'M SORRY TO TAKE THIS.
THESE ARE LITERALLY THE QUESTIONS THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE
SENT TO ME SO I AM TRYING TO MAKE SURE I READ EACH ONE.
I DID GET AN E-MAIL FROM ANOTHER HOMEOWNER AT THE CORNER OF
HIGHLAND AND -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A HOMEOWNER BUT THEY
ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, THE CORNER, THE INLET.
I BELIEVE THEY ARE CONCERNED THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT, AND
THIS PERSON MAY HAVE AN ISSUE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE INLET IS
CONSIDERABLY HIGHER THAN THE PAVEMENT, BUT I KNOW IT HASN'T
BEEN PAVED COMPLETELY YET.
AND I BELIEVE IT'S THE SOUTHWESTERN CORNER.
BUT JUST TAKE ANOTHER LOOK, DOUBLE CHECK, MAKE SURE IT'S THE
CORRECT HEIGHT, BECAUSE IF WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM IN THAT AREA
OVERALL ABOUT GETTING WATER IN THE STORM DRAINS --

4:32:16PM >> ONE OF MY GUESS SAID IT'S ALL GOING TO COME UP THERE.
BUT I WILL DOUBLE CHECK.
4:32:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE THE HEIGHT IN
THE PHOTOGRAPH I WAS -- YEAH, SO YOU HAD THE SAME FEELING,
THEN LET'S GET THAT DONE BEFORE WE PAVE.
AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE
NEIGHBORHOOD REALLY WANTS FROM THE STAKEHOLDERS IN THAT
PARTICULAR PART OF THE COMMUNITY, IS POSSIBLY SOME MONTHLY
UPDATES, BECAUSE AS WE HAVE THIS UPDATE, AND THEN WE LET IT
GO, WE KEEP COMING BACK HERE.
I AM GOING TO HATE TO DO THIS, BUT I FEEL LIKE IF WE HAVE AN
UPDATE ONCE A MONTH TO KIND OF MAKE SURE WE ARE ON THE RIGHT
TASK, AGAIN ACCOUNTABILITY WITH THE PUBLIC, AND WITH
COMMUNICATIONS, I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY BENEFICIAL.
4:33:16PM >> CLARIFICATION, UPDATE TO CITY COUNCIL?
4:33:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND IF IT'S FINE IF YOU ARE OUT OF TOWN TO
JOIN US BY ZOOM OR WHATEVER.
THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
BUT UNTIL WE GET A BETTER HANDLE ON IT, THAT IS WHAT THE
COMMUNITY IS ASKING FOR, FOR THE ACCOUNTABILITY.
4:33:38PM >> OKAY, THANK YOU.
4:33:39PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
I DO HAVE ONE CLARIFICATION TO YOUR VERY
FIRST QUESTION.
AT LEAST SOME OF THOSE PERSONNEL WERE LET GO SO IT WON'T
HAPPEN AGAIN AND ONE OF THE VERY BEST CREWS WAS PUT ON THAT.

4:33:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
AND I KNOW COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO HAS FURTHER QUESTIONS.
4:34:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK REALLY GOT TO THE QUESTIONS AND I HAVE
NOTHING FURTHER BECAUSE I THINK IT TOUCHED ON EVERYTHING.
WE HAD A LOT OF THE SAME COMMUNICATIONS BECAUSE I REPRESENT
THE DISTRICT.
SHE'S CITY-WIDE.
BUT SHE ALSO LIVES NEAR THERE.
SO SHE SEES IT DAILY.
I AM THROUGH THERE AT LEAST EVERY OTHER DAY.
I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS THAT LIVE THERE, ESPECIALLY ON
CARACAS.
RIGHT ON CENTRAL, RIGHT OFF CENTRAL.
I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU IT'S BEEN LIKE A WAR ZONE,
ESSENTIALLY.
AND THEN TALKING TO THE BUSINESSES ON FLORIDA AVENUE THAT
HAVE BEEN AFFECTED, SHE AND I GET THE BRUNT OF IT AND WE TRY
TO BE AS RESPONSIVE AS POSSIBLE.
BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE RESPONDED ONE ON ONE TO THE CONSTITUENTS'
CONCERNS.
YOU HAVE BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE.
ANYTIME I HAVE AN ISSUE, YOU ONLY REACH THE PHONE.
BUT WE GET BOMBARDED WITH QUESTIONS AND WE HAVE TO PUT
OURSELVES IN THEIR SHOES.

HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE DEALING WITH THIS.
I UNDERSTAND.
ONE DAY IT'S GOING TO BE DONE AND IT'S GOING TO KNOW
BEAUTIFUL.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, I WANT TO THANK COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOR
ASKING PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THAT I WANTED TO ASK AND THANK
YOU FOR BEING HERE.
IS IT YOUR FATHER THAT STARTED THE COMPANY?
4:35:22PM >> WE BUILT THE LOWRY PARK ZOO.
WE ALSO BUILT BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
WE HAD A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR 48 YEARS
NOW.
4:35:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHO IS DAVID NELSON?
4:35:36PM >> THAT'S MY FATHER.
IF YOU GUYS HAVE A QUESTION OR SOMETHING, JUST CALL ME.
4:35:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE APPRECIATE YOU SHOWING UP HERE IN
PERSON.
I THINK THAT SAYS A LOT.
4:35:44PM >> WE HAVE BEEN PART OF THIS COMMUNITY FOREVER.
SO PLEASE JUST CALL ME.
DOESN'T HESITATE TO CALL ME.
4:35:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO MY MOTION IS GOING TO BE --
4:36:00PM >> COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
I STILL HAVE A STATEMENT.
4:36:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THIS TO

COME BACK FEBRUARY 16th.
4:36:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
4:36:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHEN I HAD GONE TO AN OLD SEMINOLE HEIGHTS
MEETING AT THE CHURCH, THEIR NUMBER ONE CONCERN WAS THE
QUEUE TO HILLSBOROUGH HIGH SCHOOL.
HAS THAT BEEN ALLEVIATED?
4:36:32PM >> I BELIEVE SO.
I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT.
WE HAVE MET WITH THE CITIZENS.
I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY -- SO IF WE MISSED SOMETHING, PLEASE
LET ME KNOW.
WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY COMPLAINTS.
4:36:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ON SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, YOU HAVE A MOTION,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
THANK YOU.
MS. DUNCAN.
AGENDA 12, CMU-77480 TOGETHER WITH CM 22-78779.
4:37:27PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
ADMINISTRATOR FOR INFRASTRUCTURE MOBILITY.
WE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST IF IT'S THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL TO
HAVE THE ORDER OF 27 AND 28 WHICH ARE TIED TOGETHER
REGARDING THE SIX PILOT PROJECT GRANT, AND THEN WE WOULD DO

NUMBER 12 AND NUMBER 13, IF THAT'S OKAY.
4:37:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT IS FINE AT YOUR REQUEST.
4:37:53PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
AND I WOULD ASK OUR DIRECTOR CHUCK WEBER TO
COME SPEAK ON 27 AND 28.
4:37:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
27, EW 23-78765, AND FILE AGENDA 28, PW
23-78769.
4:38:11PM >>CHUCK WEBER:
WATER DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR.
THESE ITEMS ARE RELATED TO A SUSPENDED EXCHANGE PILOT THAT
WAS ORIGINALLY CONCEIVED OF AND BEGAN WORK UNDER THE PURE
PROJECT.
THE WORK FOR THIS WAS APPROVED LAST FEBRUARY BY COUNCIL.
SINCE THAT TIME, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD SOME CHANGES IN
HOW WE ARE APPROACHING PURE, BUT ALSO THE STATE APPROPRIATED
A MILLION DOLLAR GRANT TO DO THIS PILOT.
AND I WANTED TO POINT OUT SOME IMPORTANT ASPECTS OF THIS
PILOT.
IT GOES BEYOND WHETHER OR NOT WE EVER DECIDE TO DO A REUSE
PROJECT.
THIS PILOT IS GOING TO LOOK AT THE EFFECTIVENESS OF REMOVING
NITROGEN AND PHOSPHORUS AS WELL AS CHEMICALS LIKE PFAS AND
PFOA FROM THE HOWARD CURREN, AND THAT'S RELEVANT TO REDUCING
NUTRIENT LOADING INTO THE BAY, AS WELL AS WATER REUSE, SO
THERE IS A HUGE BENEFIT IN GARNERING THIS INFORMATION.
WE HAVE SUPPORT FROM NEIGHBORING UTILITIES WHO ARE ALSO
USING THIS TECHNOLOGY.

TAMPA BAY WATER INCLUDED A LETTER THAT WAS IN THE AGENDA
PACKET SUPPORTING THIS.
SO THERE IS A LOT OF BENEFIT TO MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS
PILOT TO GET THAT INFORMATION. THE TIME FRAME IS RELATIVELY
SHORT. IT'S A SIX MONTH PILOT WHEN WE COULD HAVE THIS
VALUABLE INFORMATION WITHIN THE AUGUST-SEPTEMBER TIME FRAME.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION TO BE GAINED BY THE BENEFIT,
ZERO COST TO THE CITY.
WE ARE EXPECTING THE PILOT TO COME IN AROUND $750,000 AND
THE GRANT WAS FOR A MILLION DOLLARS.
AND WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE VINNY HART, THE
EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT OF CAROLLO ENGINEERING, AND HE HAS
BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROCESS WITH US AT THE TIPPIN PLANT,
AND JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THE
EXPERT ON SUSPENDED ION EXCHANGE HERE IN THE UNITED STATES,
IN CASE YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS.
4:40:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:40:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FIRST FOR
YOU, BECAUSE I WANT IT VERY CLEAR AND REITERATE TO THE
PUBLIC THAT THIS IS A GRANT, THIS IS NOT CITY MONEY, SO WE
ARE NOT PUTTING ANY MORE MONEY INTO PURE THAT IS OURS.
4:40:41PM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
4:40:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE ARE TAKING A GRANT, AND TO SEE IF WE CAN
GET OR HOW WELL WE CAN GET PFAS, PFOA AND NITROGENS AND
OTHER ELEMENTS OUT OF THE WASTEWATER THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY

PUTTING INTO THE BAY?
4:40:59PM >>CHUCK WEBER:
THAT IS CORRECT.
4:41:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SOMEONE MENTIONED EARLIER THAT WE DON'T
KNOW -- THAT ONE OF THE STAKEHOLDERS MENTIONED THAT WE
CURRENTLY, IN THE INFORMATION THAT WAS GIVEN TO THEM, THAT
WE DON'T -- WE STILL DON'T HAVE THE DATA ABOUT WHAT IS
ACTUALLY IN THAT WASTEWATER.
IS THAT TRUE?
HAS THAT INFORMATION BEEN SHARED?
4:41:27PM >>CHUCK WEBER:
THAT IS INCORRECT.
THE INFORMATION HAS BEEN SHARED ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO WITH
NANCY STEVENS AT THE SIERRA CLUB.
SHE RESPONDED IN E-MAIL THAT SHE RECEIVED THE INFORMATION.
THEY HAVE IT.
THERE ARE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT INFORMATION.
THAT INFORMATION STUDY STEMMED FROM STUDIES THAT WERE DONE
UNDER THE TAP PROJECT, BUT WE DID ANALYZE OVER 100 DIFFERENT
COMPOUNDS INCLUDING CHEMICALS THAT AREN'T REGULATED,
PHARMACEUTICALS, PFAS AND PFOA, AND WE RAN THOUSANDS OF
SAMPLES AGAINST THOSE HUNDREDS OF CONTAMINANTS.
THAT INFORMATION WAS ALSO VETTED OVER A YEAR AGO BY THE
NATIONAL RESOURCE INSTITUTE WHEN WE ENGAGED THEM AT THE
REQUEST OF COUNCIL AND THE STAKEHOLDERS TO REVIEW THE
SCIENTIFIC INFORMATION BEHIND THE SAMPLES.
SO THAT INFORMATION HAS BEEN OUT THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME

AND THOROUGHLY VETTED.
4:42:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT DATA IS TWO YEARS
OLD?
4:42:27PM >>CHUCK WEBER:
IT WOULD BE OLDER THAN THAT.
IT WOULD BE THREE TO FOUR YEARS OLD.
4:42:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO MY QUESTION IS GOING TO BE IF WE ARE
STARTING THIS GRANT THROUGH THIS WATER QUALITY TREATMENT,
WON'T WE NEED TO HAVE A BASELINE NUMBER OF EVERYTHING THAT'S
BEING -- THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE BEFORE WE CAN SAY WE ARE --
BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANYTHING TO MEASURE.
SO I AM ASKING, MY QUESTION IS, IS THE FIRST PART OF THIS
GRANT GOING TO BE DOING THAT BASELINE TESTING?
4:42:55PM >>CHUCK WEBER:
IT WILL MEASURE THE CHEMICALS THAT ARE
IN EFFLUENT, AND THEN IT WILL GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND IT
WILL MEASURE WHAT'S LEFT OVER.
SO IT WILL DIRECTLY ANSWER THE QUESTION, WHAT'S IN THERE TO
BEGIN WITH?
HOW MUCH IS REMOVED?
WHAT'S LEFT IN THE FINAL EFFLUENT AFTER THE PROCESS?
AND IT'S BEEN ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THE STAKEHOLDERS
WILL HELP ANSWER.
4:43:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SORRY, JUST ONE MORE QUESTION FOR THE
GENTLEMAN WHO DOES THIS PROCESS.
HOW QUICKLY OR HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR -- I DON'T KNOW HOW
YOU DO THIS, BY THE GALLON, IT CAN'T BE BY THE GALLON, THAT

WOULD TAKE FOREVER, BUT BY THE THOUSANDS OF GALLONS, HOWEVER
YOU DO THIS, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE THE WATER TO GO FROM
POINT A TO POINT B TO BEING CLEAN?
4:43:44PM >> THROUGH THE PROCESS IT'S FAIRLY FAST.
IT'S ABOUT A 20 MINUTE CONTENT TIME, AND THEN IT SETTLES IN
A FEW MINUTES.
NOW, WHEN WE MAKE CHANGES TO THE PROCESS, IT TAKES ABOUT 30,
WE CALL IT BED VOLUMES, TO REGENERATE BEFORE IT GETS BACK,
SO ONCE YOU MAKE A CHANGE IT MIGHT TAKE TWO DAYS BEFORE WE
ARE CONFIDENT IN THOSE RESULTS.
4:44:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
4:44:10PM >> COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I SAW YOUR HAND.
4:44:12PM >>BILL CARLSON:
AND IT'S JUST A STATEMENT, NOT A QUESTION.
IT'S INTERESTING THAT WE CHANGE THE ORDER SO WE DIDN'T GET
THROUGH NUMBER 13.
NUMBER 13, WE'LL GET TO THAT ONE IN A MINUTE BUT IT CLEARLY
SHOWS THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION WANTS TOILET TO TAP, PURE
TAP, WHATEVER THEY WANT TO CALL IT, AT ALL COST.
AND THIS IS PART OF DEATH BY A THOUSAND PAPER CUTS.
JUST TO PROVE THIS, IT'S ONLY A MILLION DOLLARS, IT'S NOT
OUR MONEY, WE GOT IT FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT -- AND THEN IN THE PRIOR
CONVERSATIONS SAID, OH, LOOK, SINGAPORE DOES THIS AND ISRAEL
DOES IT, AND IN THE EXACT CONFIGURATION AS HAS BEEN PROPOSED
BY THIS ENGINEERING FIRM, IT IS AN EXPERIMENTAL SYSTEM.

THIS IS PAYING FOR R AND D.
SIERRA CLUB AND OTHERS, HOPEFULLY YOU ALL TALKED TO WATER
ENGINEERS FOR THE CITY.
REVERSE OSMOSIS.
I THINK IT WAS NOT THESE CONSULTANTS.
OTHERS SAID IT WAS NOT REVERSE OSMOSIS.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN PUSHING US
TO A PATH TO EVENTUALLY APPROVE A PROJECT THE PUBLIC DOESN'T
WANT AND WE DON'T NEED AND WE ARE GOING TO BE THE GUINEA
PIGS IN EXPERIMENTING WITH SOME OF THE DIFFERENT -- I AM
GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS.
I HOPE MY COLLEAGUES WILL.
THERE'S NO REASON TO VOTE FOR IT.
THE PUBLIC WILL SEE IT AS A VOTE IN FAVOR OF PURE BECAUSE
THEY WILL COME BACK WITH A NEW NAME, AND I AM NOT -- BECAUSE
I DON'T TRUST THE ENGINEERING FIRMS THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED
IN THIS BEFORE, IN PARTICULAR, BUT THE INFORMATION THAT HAS
BEEN GIVEN BY CAROLLO -- I AM NOT VOTING FOR ANY CONTRACTS
THAT ARE PRESENTED THAT HAS CAROLLO OR PCL CONNECTED TO THIS
PROJECT AGAIN.
THANK YOU.
4:46:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. WEBER.
4:46:03PM >>CHUCK WEBER:
I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE, THIS STARTED OUT
AS SOMETHING UNDER PURE.
BUT IT HAS VALUE WELL BEYOND THAT.

THAT VALUE IS LOOKING AT NUTRIENT INTRODUCTION INTO THE BAY.
IT'S ALSO LOOKING AT PFAS AND REMOVAL OF IMPORTANT THINGS
THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT.
AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT RO IS
DEFINITELY A TECHNOLOGY WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT.
BUT IT IS NOT THE ONLY TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE.
IT'S NOT MOST ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY TECHNOLOGY.
AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE THE WAY STRENGTH FROM RO IS, WHAT IS IT,
20 --
4:46:42PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DIDN'T REALLY ASK A QUESTION.
I CAN SIT HERE AND HAVE AN ARGUMENT ABOUT RO IF YOU LIKE --
4:46:48PM >> COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ARE YOU FINISHED WITH YOUR STATEMENT?
4:46:53PM >> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GIVE HIM AN CHANCE TO SPEAK TO THE
CREDIBILITY OF CAROLLO.
I THINK THAT'S AN INACCURATE AND INAPPROPRIATE STATEMENT TO
SAY THAT THEY CAN'T BE TRUSTED.
4:47:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHETHER IT'S AT THE DIRECTION OF
ADMINISTRATION OR THEIR OWN IDEAS, THEY HAVE BEEN PUSHING
IDEAS THAT THIS PUBLIC DOESN'T WANT, AND THEY HAVE BEEN
PUSHING METHODS WITHOUT -- YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING IF YOU
WANT TO PUSH A CERTAIN TECHNOLOGY, BUT I AM NOT ADVOCATING
FOR REVERSE OSMOSIS EVEN. I'M NOT PUSHING FOR ANY.
I WANT AN OBJECTIVE EVALUATION.
I HAVE BEEN HERE THREE AND A HALF YEARS AND WE DON'T HAVE AN
EFFECTIVE EVALUATION.

EXCUSE ME.
WE GAVE MONEY TWICE BUT WE DIDN'T GET IT.
SOMEHOW WE NEED TO GET AN OBJECTIVE ANALYSIS OF THIS SO THAT
THE PUBLIC CAN LOOK AT IT.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT.
I'M HAPPY THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO VOTE FOR IT, YOU CAN.
IF YOU SPEAK I WOULD LIKE TO REBUT IT.
4:47:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE ALL HAVE ONE VOTE.
AND I THINK IT MIGHT BE MORE OF A CONCERN IF YOU HAVE A TOWN
HALL MEETING.
WE ARE HERE TO VOTE ON THIS UP OR DOWN, ONE WAY OR THE
OTHER.
YOU MADE YOUR STATEMENT, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
4:47:53PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T NEED A TOWN HALL MEETING ON IT.
4:47:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU MADE YOUR STATEMENT.
I HAVE A QUESTION.
AND YOU TOUCHED ON IT.
REVERSE OSMOSIS HAS A BY-PRODUCT.
THIS TREATMENT THAT YOU ARE PRESENTING TO US, WHAT IS THE
OFFSET OF THE BY-PRODUCT?
REVERSE OSMOSIS, LET'S HYPOTHETICALLY SAY, REVERSE OSMOSIS
PRODUCES 10%.
WHAT WOULD YOURS PRESENT?
4:48:25PM >> ONE PERCENT.
4:48:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SO WE ARE REDUCING A BY-PRODUCT THAT BY THE

OLD PURE PLAN, IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE
DEEP WELL INJECTING. I'M AGAIN DEEP WELL INJECTION.
THIS 1% BY-PRODUCT THAT YOUR PLAN IS PROPOSING, CAN THAT BE
DEALT WITH IN A WAY WHERE IT COULD BE REDUCED ON ITS OWN?
4:48:53PM >> THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO ADDRESS THAT
BY-PRODUCT.
THE FACT THAT IT'S TEN TIMES LESS MAKES IT THAT MUCH EASIER.
4:49:03PM >> I GET THAT.
BUT IF YOU COULD LOOK AT ME AND SAY YES, IN THE FUTURE,
SOMETHING THAT MAY EVEN TAKE THAT 1% AND MAKE THAT
DISAPPEAR?
JUST BY THE 10% REDUCTION, I AM GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS.
IT'S GRANT MONEY.
IT'S NOT COMING OUT OF OUR GENERAL FUND.
BUT IF YOU CAN EVEN SAY, THAT 1% OR THAT WILL GO AWAY, ALSO.
4:49:26PM >> WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE ORIGINAL PILOT, WHICH IS A SLIGHTLY
DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGY, WE LOOKED AT THE IDEA OF TAKING THAT
BRINE CONCENTRATE AND GIVING IT TO COMPANIES THAT SPECIALIZE
IN ORGANICS AND FERTILIZER, THAT WOULD BE A PATH THAT WE
COULD GO DOWN WITH THIS MINIMAL BRINE STREAM, VERY SIMILAR.
4:49:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERS.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
4:49:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM APPROVING THIS BECAUSE I ALSO SIT ON
THE TAMPA BAY ESTUARY BOARD, AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE HEARING
THAT THERE'S TOO MUCH NITROGEN GOING INTO THE BAY.

SO MY INTEREST IS NOT IN DEEP WELL INJECTION BECAUSE THAT'S
NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IF I HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT.
BUT THIS, TREATING OUR WASTEWATER THAT IS CURRENTLY GOING
INTO THE BAY, SO IT DOES HAVE LESS NUTRIENTS AND THEN LESS
PLASTIC, IS SOMETHING THAT I AM IN FAVOR OF, BECAUSE IT'S
SOMETHING, I AM HOPING THAT WE REDUCE IT ENOUGH THAT THE
STATE WILL ALLOW US TO CONTINUE TO DO SO BECAUSE IT IS
BENEFICIAL TO THE BAY.
SO MY GOAL WITH THIS IS SIMPLY TO SEE IF WE CAN REDUCE THE
NUTRIENTS SO THAT THE BAY RECEIVES FEWER NUTRIENTS.
THAT IS MY BIGGEST CONCERN. OUR SEAWEED, SEAGRASSES ARE
DYING AT AN ALARMING RATE, AND UNLESS WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT
IT, IT'S GOING TO GET MUCH, MUCH WORSE, AND THIS MANATEE
SEASON HAS NOT BEEN BETTER THAN LAST MANATEE SEASON, SO I AM
LOOKING FOR ANY WAY TO REDUCE NUTRIENTS GOING INTO THE BAY.
4:51:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
I AGREE WITH YOU, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
BUT THIS IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG.
OUR STORMWATER RUNOFF CREATES A HECK OF A LOT MORE PROBLEMS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE BE ABLE TO FIND WAY TO CLEAN THAT WATER
BEFORE IT GOES BACK OUT TO THE BAY.
AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THINK ABOUT HAVING A PROGRAM BY THE
CITY OF TAMPA FOR SEAGRASS MAINTENANCE WHERE WE CAN GO
WITHIN OUR OWN WATERS AND HAVE GREAT COMPANIES OUT THERE
THAT PLANT SEAGRASSES.

COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING?
4:51:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I HAVE NEVER MET YOU BEFORE, I DON'T BELIEVE.
I KNOW YOU HAVE BUSINESS AND I BELIEVE YOU ALSO REPRESENT
TAMPA BAY WATER ON AND OFF.
I HAVE SEEN YOUR NAME ON AGENDAS.
I CAN SAY THIS.
EVEN REQUEST ALL THE -- HOW MANY ADVANCED TERTIARY TREATMENT
PLANTS ARE IN THIS AREA?
4:52:06PM >> ADVANCED TERTIARY? I AM MORE OF A DRINKING WATER GUY
THAN A WASTEWATER GUY.
4:52:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HOW MANY PLANTS DO WE HAVE IN THE AREA?
4:52:21PM >> A FEW BETWEEN THE CITY AND HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
4:52:23PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ONE OF THE LARGEST IS WHERE?
4:52:25PM >> OURS.
4:52:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
EVEN DOING THAT, AND BUMPING THAT WATER
FOR YEARS, AND WE HAVE BROUGHT SOME OF THE AREA BACK TO
NORMALITY, WHICH CHANGES ON A DAILY BASIS, YOU STILL DON'T
PUT 370 TONS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT INTO THE BAY?
CAN YOU IMAGINE THOSE WHO ARE DUMPING WITHOUT HAVING
ADVANCED TERTIARY TREATMENT PLANTS?
THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE HAVE.
OTHERS MAY BE HERE DOING THE RIGHT THING, AND OTHERS ON THIS
SIDE OR NOT. GUESS WHAT.
YOU ARE NOT GAINING.

IT'S STATUS QUO.
THESE ARE THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT.
SO I APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS THAT YOU ARE DOING.
AND IT'S INCUMBENT UPON US TO CLEAR THE AIR.
WE ARE KILLING OURSELVES.
LOOK AT CALIFORNIA, WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE NOW.
LOOK AT THE HURRICANES. THEY ARE GETTING STRONGER.
GETTING TWO DEGREES HOTTER IN TAMPA, THIS YEAR THAN THE
PREVIOUS YEAR.
WHAT A NICE PLACE.
IT'S THE WHOLE COUNTRY.
IT'S THE WHOLE WORLD.
WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO SOLVE OUR PROBLEM.
AND THIS IS MAYBE A START IN A SMALL AREA.
THANK YOU.
4:53:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. IF YOU WILL MOVE THE
RESOLUTIONS ONE AT A TIME.
4:53:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE ITEM 27.
4:53:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOR AGENDA
ITEM NUMBER 27, PW 23-78765 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
ALL IN FAVOR?
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
4:54:09PM >> ROLL CALL VOTE.
4:54:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LET'S TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE.

4:54:15PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
4:54:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
4:54:20PM >> BILL CARLSON:
NO.
4:54:21PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
4:54:25PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
4:54:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
4:54:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
4:54:36PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIES WITH CARLSON AND MANISCALCO
VOTING NO.
4:54:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE ITEM NUMBER 28, PW 23-78769.
4:54:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
4:54:52PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE LAST COMMENT.
AS IT SAYS HERE, THIS STARTED AS A PROJECT IN PURE.
IT WAS NOT PRESENTED TO US AS A PROJECT FOR CLEANING
ANYTHING ELSE.
IT WAS PART OF THE PURE PROJECT.
SO IT DESERVES TO BE VOTED DOWN.
4:55:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ROLL CALL VOTE.
4:55:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
4:55:17PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
4:55:20PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
4:55:23PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
4:55:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
4:55:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
4:55:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.

4:55:29PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION PASSES WITH CARLSON AND MANISCALCO
VOTING NO.
4:55:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
MS. DUNCAN, I APOLOGIZE.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU HAVE A STATEMENT YOU WOULD LIKE TO
MAKE.
4:55:46PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I APPRECIATE IT, IF I MAY.
I DIDN'T THINK OF US GOING THIS LATE AND TODAY IS MY INTERIM
AIDE'S LAST DAY.
MATT, YOU WORE YOUR AWESOME GREEN SUIT.
WE LOVE THAT.
AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY, YOU ARE SUCH A GOOD DUDE, MATT.
I LIKE YOU A LOT, MAN.
YOU ARE FROM TEXAS, AND YOU GOT THAT GREAT TEXAS THING GOING
ON.
YOU REALLY, REALLY DO.
YOU ARE A HARD WORKER.
AND I JUST REALLY APPRECIATED YOUR WORK FOR THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
I THINK YOU ARE A GOOD GUY.
YOU GOT GOOD VALUES.
YOU ARE A HARD WORKER.
AND YOU HAVE JUST REALLY IMPRESSED THE HECK OUT OF ME.
AND WE'LL MISS YOU.
AND I WISH THAT WE COULD HAVE TWO AIDES AND WHATNOT.

BUT YOU JUST DO A GOOD JOB.
4:56:36PM >> AND SOME BUDGET INCREASES.
4:56:41PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I KNOW.
BUT DO JUST A GOOD JOB AND YOU ARE A HECK OF A HARD WORKER
AND YOU REALLY GET ALONG WITH EVERYBODY HERE.
YOU REALLY, REALLY DO.
HOW OLD ARE YOU, 23?
4:56:59PM >> 24.
4:57:00PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MAN, YOU ARE A KID.
GOD BLESS YOU.
THAT'S GREAT.
BUT I WANTED TO -- WE CAN TAKE A PICTURE AFTERWARDS.
BUT YOU ARE A GOOD GUY.
AND I KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO STAY FRIENDS.
AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.
BUT I APPRECIATE IT.
4:57:15PM >> THANK YOU.
4:57:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
4:57:20PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN A CRAZY TIME, AND THANK YOU FOR STEPPING
IN.
4:57:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SOMETIMES I COME IN EARLY IN THE MORNING
AND HE'S THERE, AND SAY HI, GOOD MORNING.
WHAT PART OF TEXAS ARE YOU FROM?
4:57:37PM >> EAST TEXAS, HOUR AND A HALF EAST OF DALLAS, SMALL TOWN,

6,000 PEOPLE.
TAMPA IS DIFFERENT.
4:57:44PM >> SOUTH OF PLANO?
4:57:48PM >> WAY EAST. IN BETWEEN SHREVEPORT AND DALLAS.
4:57:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
TEXARKANA?
4:57:58PM >> NO, IT'S CALLED TYLER.
THAT PART OF TEXAS.
IN THE BACK WOODS.
4:58:08PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AND IF I MAY, MAYBE TAKE A PICTURE.
AND MATT, IT'S FUNNY, IN TEXAS WHEN I INTERVIEWED HIM, I GO,
ARE YOU AN LBG FAN?
HE GOES, I LOVE LBG.
SO WE BONDED ON THAT.
JUST A GOOD DUDE.
BUT COME ON UP AND GET A PICTURE.
4:58:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COME ON UP, MATT.
IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING WITH YOU.
YES, I HAVE SEEN YOU EARLY AND LATE AND YOU JUMPED RIGHT
INTO THE FIRE, BROTHER.
4:59:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
RECOGNITIONS.
WE ARE GOING TO BE SEEING BRANNAN NEXT MONDAY, I BELIEVE.
WELCOME HER BACK.
4:59:48PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
ADMINISTRATOR FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND
MOBILITY.
I WANT TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT ABOUT MY ORDER REQUEST. I

ACTUALLY MADE THAT ORDER REQUEST ON MY OWN JUST A FEW
MINUTES AGO, IN CONSIDERATION OF MR. HART, AN EXECUTIVE VP
OF THIS COMPANY WHO HAS BEEN HERE SINCE 9:00 THIS MORNING.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD THE TIME TO STICK THROUGH ITEM
NUMBER 12.
SO I JUST THOUGHT, LET'S DO THE OTHER TWO FIRST IN CASE HE
HAS TO LEAVE.
THE REASON I MADE NUMBER 13 LAST IS BECAUSE LIAISONS
PROVIDED A WRITTEN MEMO ON THAT ITEM AND THEY ARE NOT
AVAILABLE TODAY.
SO I JUST DECIDED TO DO 27, 28, 12, WHICH IS A COMPLETE
ENGINEERING LOGICAL DECISION.
THAT WAS IT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO OFFER THAT EXPLANATION.
5:00:39PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JEAN, MS. DUNCAN, I'M SORRY IF IT CAME
ACROSS AS I WAS IMPLYING YOU DID SOMETHING WRONG IN
REORDERING THAT.
I THINK THE CONVERSATION ON THOSE ITEMS WOULD HAVE BEEN
DIFFERENT HAD WE DISCUSSED THOSE OTHER ONES FIRST AND THERE
ARE A LOT OF CONCERNS I HAVE ABOUT THAT DOCUMENT.
BUT BECAUSE OF THE ORDER, THE CONVERSATION WOULD HAVE BEEN
DIFFERENT. SO I WASN'T IMPLYING YOU DID ANYTHING WRONG.
5:01:07PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME AGAIN TO SPEAK
ABOUT 13 BRIEFLY, OUR FOLKS ARE NOT HERE TODAY PHYSICALLY,
BUT THEY DID PROVIDE THE MEMO.

I JUST WANT TO ADD FROM THE TECHNICAL PERSPECTIVE, WE ARE
STILL INTERESTED IN WORKING WITH OUR STAKEHOLDERS, AND DO
THE WORKSHOP NEXT MONTH, TO SEE HOW ANY OF THAT MOTION LEADS
INTO OUR CONVERSATION.
SO FROM A TECHNICAL PERSPECTIVE WE ARE STILL OPEN TO
EXPLORING WITH THE MOTION REQUESTED, BUT BEING THAT IT WAS
DIRECTED TO THE LEGAL AND THE LOBBYING PART IN THE SHOP,
RIGHT NOW WE JUST OFFER THE WRITTEN MEMO FOR TODAY.
5:01:53PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT NOW, I
WILL JUST COMMENT ON IT.
MY QUESTION REALLY WAS TO FIND OUT IF THE ADMINISTRATION WAS
OPEN -- IT'S NOT A QUESTION ABOUT THE WATER DEPARTMENT, WAS
THE ADMINISTRATION OPEN TO USING THE LOBBYING RESOURCE OF
THE CITY, AND THE LEGAL RESOURCES OF THE CITY. IF THIS WAS
A PRIVATE COMPANY I WAS RUNNING, I WOULD SUE THE STATE AND I
WOULD HIRE A TEAM OF LOBBYISTS BECAUSE I WOULD NEVER ALLOW
THE CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY TO BE PUT AT RISK OF HAVING
THEIR WATER RATE INCREASED AND HAVE TO DRINK THIS AND MOST
OF ALL, WE SHOULD BE SPENDING THIS TIME TALKING ABOUT
CLIMATE CHANGE AND FLOODING INSTEAD OF ALL THESE RESOURCES,
AND THAT'S NOT YOUR DECISION.
BUT IT'S JUST FRUSTRATING TO ME THAT WE SPENT SO MUCH TIME
ON SOMETHING THAT THE PUBLIC ABSOLUTELY DOESN'T WANT.
THE ONLY LEGITIMATE EXCUSE FOR IT ANYMORE IS THE STATE IS
FORCING US TO DO IT, AND THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT

WHETHER THE CITY RESOURCES WERE USED TO LOBBY FOR IT OR NOT.
THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION WAS THIS ADMINISTRATION, NOT THE
LAST ADMINISTRATION.
I KNOW FROM SEVERAL SOURCES THAT LOBBYISTS IN THE LAST
ADMINISTRATION WERE IN TALLAHASSEE AND DID LOBBY FOR IT
BECAUSE LOBBYISTS THAT I KNOW WALKED OUT AFTER THEIR
LOBBYISTS DID.
SO THE FACT IS IF WE WERE LOOKING OUT FOR THE INTEREST OF
OUR CITIZENS, WE WOULD LOBBY THE CITY, AND WE WOULD SUE --
SORRY, WE WOULD LOBBY THE STATE AND LIKELY SUE THE STATE TO
STOP THIS MANDATE, OR WE WOULD TRY TO GET THEM TO MODIFY THE
LAW.
IT'S NOT THAT DIFFICULT TO GET THEM TO MODIFY THE LAW.
MY QUESTION WAS MORE TO FIND OUT IF THE ADMINISTRATION WAS
OPEN TO IT.
WHAT THEY SAID, ABSOLUTELY NOT. THEY GAVE SEVERAL PAGES OF
REASONS WHY.
THEIR SHALLOW EXCUSES, IF YOU WANT TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS
OF THIS COMMUNITY YOU WILL DO IT.
BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IT.
SO THE ANSWER CLEARLY IS THEY WANT THIS PROJECT NO MATTER
WHAT, NOT YOU GUYS, BUT THE MAYOR'S PEOPLE WANT THIS
PROJECT.
IT IS, I THINK, RECKLESS AND IRRESPONSIBLE.
I AM GOING TO GET LOBBYISTS MYSELF.

I AM GOING TO WORK WITH AGENCIES THAT HAVE LOBBYISTS, I
MIGHT EVEN HAVE ATTORNEYS TO STOP THIS, BECAUSE I WILL DO
EVERYTHING I CAN TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY.
CLEARLY IN THE CHARTER THE CITY COUNCIL HAS NO AUTHORITY TO
TELL THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT WHAT TO DO AND YOU CAN'T TELL THE
LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO FILE A LAWSUIT AND WE CANNOT FORCE
LOBBYISTS IN THE CITY TO DO ANYTHING.
BUT I CAN DO IT OUTSIDE AS AN INDIVIDUAL BECAUSE I THINK
THIS IS ABSURD THE WAY THIS IS BEING HANDLED THE LAST SIX OR
SEVEN YEARS.
5:04:33PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
IF I MAY, ANDREA ZELMAN, CITY ATTORNEY. I
DIDN'T CATCH THE FACT THAT YOU WERE ASKING WHETHER THE CITY
COULD SUE THE STATE OVER --
5:04:40PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO, REALLY I WAS ASKING WHETHER THE
ADMINISTRATION WAS OPEN TO SUING THE STATE, OR USING
LOBBYING RESOURCES TO TRY TO CHANGE THE LAW.
I WORKED ON A BUNCH OF ADVOCACY CASES IN TALLAHASSEE FOR 30
YEARS.
I KNOW IT'S ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE.
IT DOESN'T MATTER.
ALL THE REASONS THEY GAVE ARE THIN EXCUSES.
THERE'S NEW LEADERSHIP THAT COMES IN ALL THE TIME.
YOU CAN ALWAYS MODIFY SOMETHING.
THE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP, I'VE HAD MANY PEOPLE TALK TO THE
REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP, AND THEY SAID, NO, THIS IS NOT A

MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR MANDATE FOR THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA.
SO KNOWING THAT, THEY WILL CHANGE IT.
I AM PART OF THE LARGEST BUSINESS ORGANIZATION IN
TALLAHASSEE.
THAT THE CITIZENS AND BUSINESSES OF THIS COMMUNITY ARE GOING
TO BE STRADDLED WITH THIS AND MAKE YOU DRINK IT.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE NEED TO STOP THIS. IF THE MAYOR AND
HER ADMINISTRATION ARE NOT WILLING TO STOP IT, WE NEED TO
STOP IT ON OUR OWN.
CITY COUNCIL CANNOT FORCE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT OR LOBBYISTS
TO DO ANYTHING, CORRECT?
SO WE ARE STUCK.
5:05:39PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
YOU CERTAINLY HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK US TO
EXPLORE A LEGAL BASIS TO SUE THE STATE.
IF YOU HAVE A THOUGHT IN MIND -- IN LOOKING AT THIS RIGHT
NOW, I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ON WHAT BASIS WE WOULD SUE
THE STATE OVER THIS LAW THAT PASSED A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
BUT A LOT OF TIMES YOU WILL SAY YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH
OTHER LAWYERS.
IF YOU HAVE GOTTEN AN OPINION FROM ANOTHER LAWYER I AM GLAD
TO REVIEW IT.
IF YOU HAVE IDEAS OF A LEGAL BASIS FOR SUING THE STATE.
5:06:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WILL TELL YOU PRIVATELY ABOUT THE OTHER
COUNCIL.
I NEED TO DISCUSS IT BEFORE I MAKE A MOTION.

BUT I CAN TELL MY COLLEAGUES, SOME ARE FOR IT, SOME ARE
AGAINST IT.
I CANNOT IMAGINE THAT WE WOULD NOT DO EVERYTHING WE CAN NOT
TO STRADDLE THE TAXPAYERS WITH THIS AND MAKE THEM DRINK IT.
WE HAVE TO USE EVERY RESOURCE TO STOP IT.
AND THE FACT WE AT THE VERY LEAST LET IT GO WITHOUT DOING
ANYTHING, AT LEAST IN THE LAST ADMINISTRATION, I THINK IT'S
APPALLING.
THANK YOU.
5:06:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:06:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T DISAGREE -- I'M SORRY, MS. ZELMAN,
DON'T GO TOO FAR.
BUT THAT TO ME WAS THE REASON I VOTED FOR THE SIX BECAUSE
WHAT THEY TOLD US THEY WEREN'T GOING TO ALLOW US TO USE
THAT, OUR OUTFLOW TO HELP THE BAY, BECAUSE IT HAS SO MUCH
NUTRIENTS IN IT, SO I AM HOPING THIS WILL HELP THAT SO WE
CAN GO TO THE STATE AND SAY, HEY, WE ARE ACTUALLY REALLY
PUTTING OUT BENEFICIAL USE WATER TO THE BAY SO WE DON'T HAVE
TO CHANGE ANYTHING WE ARE DOING.
SO IF WE HAD SOME DATA LIKE THAT TO GO FORWARD TO SUE THE
STATE WITH, IS THAT SOMETHING THE CITY WOULD BE MORE APT TO
LOOK AT?
5:07:35PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
AGAIN, AND LET ME SPEAK VERY GENERALLY.
ANYTIME YOU, THE CITY COUNCIL, THE MAYOR, A DEPARTMENT HEAD
OR WHATEVER SAYS TO ME, CAN WE SUE OVER THIS, WITHOUT

KNOWING MORE, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.
WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IN ANY CASE, WHOEVER WAS ASKING
THIS, CAN WE FILE SUIT, IS UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS WE ARE
CHALLENGING, WHAT THE BASIS OF OUR CLAIM WOULD BE, YOU KNOW,
WHETHER WE HAVE STANDING.
THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS THAT GO INTO IT, THE LIKELIHOOD OF
SUCCESS, ALL THAT.
SO OFFHAND, NOTHING IS COMING TO MIND AS TO A BASIS FOR
WHICH WE COULD SUE THE STATE OVER THIS.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO FORECLOSE THAT, IF SOMEONE HAS DONE SOME
RESEARCH OR HAS SOME IDEAS, I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS THEM, LOOK
AT IT, ANALYZE IT.
WE ARE NOT SAYING NO OUT OF HAND.
I JUST RIGHT NOW DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BASIS WOULD BE OF SUCH
A LAWSUIT.
5:08:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AGAIN ON ITEM NUMBER 13, SENATE BILL 64,
I BELIEVE THAT WAS A SENATOR THAT DID THAT FROM VERY CLOSE
PROXIMITY TO HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
THAT SENATOR IS NOT A COMMISSIONER.
I BELIEVE THIS THING WAS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY, IF NOT CLOSE TO
UNANIMOUSLY, IN THE LEGISLATURE.
AM I CORRECT?
5:09:01PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO.
5:09:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
RIGHT.
SO SINCE I AM SINGLE AND BORED AT TIMES, I TURN ON THE TV

BUT NOT TO WATCH LOCAL STATIONS, THINGS LIKE THE ST. JOHNS
RIVER, LIKE SWFWMD, UP AT THE ST. JOHNS RIVER, MIAMI, AND
SOMETIMES TAMPA BAY WATER WITH CHUCK WEBER, BRAD BAIRD. I
MENTIONED IT TO THEM WHAT I SAW, WHAT I HEARD, AND THEY
LOOKED AT ME LIKE, YOU AIN'T GOT NOTHING ELSE TO DO.
AND I SAID, NO, I JUST DON'T HAVE CABLE.
BUT WHEN I WATCH THESE THINGS, I SEE THE CONVERSATION THAT
THEY ARE HAVING, AND BASICALLY THE SAME AS HERE BUT IN
ANOTHER FRAMEWORK, I REMEMBER WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS, HOW
CAN WE CHANGE THIS?
AND ONE MEMBER SAID, WELL, MAYBE WE CAN GO GET AN EXTENSION
FROM THE YEAR 2030 OR WHATEVER IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN PLACE,
AND THAT'S THE LAST I HAVE HEARD OF IT FROM ST. JOHNS RIVER.
BUT I AM NOT TALKING FOR CHANGE.
BY THE WAY, THAT'S THE ONLY BODY OF WATER IN FLORIDA THAT
FLOWS BACKWARDS.
SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I LOOK AT ONCE IN A WHILE WHEN
I AM REALLY BORED.
NOT THAT I AM BORED WATCHING.
I TURN IT ON TO TRY TO LEARN SOMETHING.
BUT THEY WERE NOT 100% INCORRECT.
THEY DID IT FOR A REASON.
AND THAT REASON IS TO CLEAN UP SOMETHING, BUT IN DOING THAT,
HAD SOME HARMFUL SIDE EFFECTS.
SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT CAN BE WORKED OUT WITH THE

LEGISLATURE WITHOUT A LAWSUIT.
I'M NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T LAWSUIT.
YOU CAN'T SUE EITHER.
BUT YOU CAN WORK WITH THE LEGISLATURE.
5:10:41PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I'M JUST CURIOUS SO I HAVE TO ASK.
WE KNOW THAT THE ADMINISTRATION LAUNCHED THIS PROGRAM, AND
COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAVE DOUBTS, AND THE COMMUNITY HAVE
DOUBTS ABOUT THIS PROGRAM.
MR. CARLSON IS SAYING AS FAR AS RESOURCES THAT POSSIBLY SUE
DOWN THE ROAD TO CHANGE THE POSITION.
WELL, I'M JUST WONDERING IN MY MIND IF THE ADMINISTRATION
WANTS THIS AND THE COUNCIL FINDS BASIS TO POSSIBLY SUE, OR
DON'T WANT THIS PROGRAM, I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW TO CHANGE
POSITIONS.
5:11:38PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I THINK WE ARE GETTING AHEAD OF OURSELVES.
FIRST, I HAVE TO UNDERSTAND ON WHAT BASIS WOULD WE BE SUING?
WHAT IS OUR CLAIM?
ONE OF THE CONCEPTS OF THE LEGAL WORLD THAT'S HARD TO
EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE IS JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE SOMETHING,
OR SOMETHING FEELS WRONG, THERE ISN'T ALWAYS A LEGAL BASIS
TO SUE SOMEONE.
SO FIRST I HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS WE WOULD BE
ASSERTING, WHAT WOULD BE OUR CLAIM, OR WITH THIS LEGISLATION
THAT WAS ENACTED IN PREVIOUS YEARS.
AGAIN, IF THE MAYOR ASKED ME, IF YOU ASKED ME, IF ANYONE

ASKS, I'M HAPPY TO RESEARCH THAT, I AM HAPPY TO ANALYZE IT,
I AM HAPPY TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT MAKES SENSE.
AND IF THAT REQUEST TO HAPPEN, THEN I WOULD DISCUSS IT WITH
BOTH THE COUNCIL AND THE ADMINISTRATION.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
5:12:35PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
LET'S JUST SAY THE BASIS IS ASKED ABOUT
LOBBYING TO -- IF THIS COUNCIL WANTS THAT AND THE
ADMINISTRATION DOES THAT, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT SAYS, WELL,
COUNCIL, WHO IS THE LEGISLATIVE BODY OF THIS CITY, IS SAYING
THAT THEY HAVE A POSITION.
5:12:59PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
WELL, I THINK THE WAY I READ THE MEMO IS
THEY WEREN'T SAYING WE DON'T WANT TO LOBBY, THEY WERE SAYING
THAT BEFORE SPENDING CITY RESOURCES TO LOBBY, WE WOULD HAVE
TO ANALYZE WHAT THE LIKELIHOOD FOR SUCCESS WOULD BE.
THE WAY I READ THE MEMO, THEY FELT THERE WAS A VERY POOR
LIKELIHOOD OF SUCCESS OF THE LOBBYING EFFORT THAT WAS ASKED
FOR.
BUT THAT BEING SAID, COUNCIL STILL HAS THE ABILITY TO DO
THINGS.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO PASS A RESOLUTION, SEND
THAT TO THE LEGISLATURE IN TALLAHASSEE, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY
TO WRITE LETTERS, YOU COULD PASS A RESOLUTION TO HAVE A
LETTER WRITTEN ON BEHALF OF THE COUNCIL BY THE CHAIR, YOU
COULD EACH INDIVIDUALLY LOBBY OR WRITE TO THE LEGISLATURE.
I MEAN, YOU DO HAVE POWERS IN THAT REGARD.

IT'S JUST THE MEMO WAS ADDRESSING THE QUESTION OF WHETHER
THE CITY -- IT MADE SENSE FOR THE CITY TO USE ITS LOBBYING
RESOURCES ON THAT ISSUE.
5:14:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:14:06PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON A COUPLE THINGS.
I HAVE HAD EXTENSIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PEOPLE IN
NORTHEAST FLORIDA.
I HAVE SPOKEN TO SOME OF THE ENGINEERS AND OTHERS, AND EVERY
SITUATION IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
AND OUR SITUATION, OUR CONSIDERATIONS ARE DIFFERENT HERE.
AND THEY HAVE REASONS WHY THEY ARE TRYING TO COMPLY WITH THE
LAW.
WE HAVE REASONS WHY WE SHOULDN'T COMPLY WITH THE LAW.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
I HAVE NOT SPOKEN DIRECTLY TO BILL SIMPSON BUT I HAVE HAD
SEVERAL HIGH-LEVEL PEOPLE WHO KNOW HIM WELL, SPEAK TO HIM.
EVERYONE THAT I HAVE SPOKEN TO, HAS SPOKEN ON MY BEHALF TO
HIM, SAYS THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NOT A MANDATE, THE CITY OF
TAMPA SHOULD NOT HAVE TO STICK TAXPAYER RATE PAYERS WITH A
HUGE COST.
I HAVE SPOKEN TO LEGISLATIVE AIDES OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON
THE COMMITTEE, AND THEY SAID THAT THE INTENT OF THE
LEGISLATURE WAS NOT TO DO THIS.
IT'S WEIRD THAT THE EXCUSE GIVEN BY AN E-MAIL, AN OFFICIAL
ORDER FOR VP -- WE DIDN'T GET AN OFFICIAL DOCUMENT FROM A

GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO VOTED ON IT.
WE GOT AN E-MAIL FROM SOMEONE WHO SAID, OH, YOU DON'T NEED
IT, AND MY QUESTION WAS ABOUT WHAT CITIES WITHOUT RIVERS?
THE WHOLE THING IS VERY SUSPECT.
AND WE KNOW THAT THE PUBLIC DOESN'T WANT THIS.
AND IF THE MAYOR WANTS TO HANG HER POLITICAL HAT ON IT,
GREAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHY.
BUT WE ARE IN A POSITION WHERE WE HAVE TO PROTECT THE
HEALTH, SAFETY, WELL-BEING, COSTS OF OUR COMMUNITY, AND WE
NEED TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO STOP IT.
IF YOU COME OUT WITH A LEGAL REASON TO STOP IT, LET ME KNOW.
I ABSOLUTELY KNOW THAT LOBBYING CAN WORK.
I HAVE A WHOLE TEAM OF PEOPLE THAT I CAN PAY FOR TO PUT ON
THAT.
I WAS HOPING THAT THE CITY WOULD DO IT.
IF I FIGURE OUT HOW TO STOP IT, THEN I WILL COME BACK AND
ASK, WHY DIDN'T THE CITY DO WHAT I DID WITH A LOT LESS
RESOURCES?
5:16:18PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. SHELBY, I'M CONFUSED.
WE ARE A LEGISLATIVE BODY.
SO WHY COULDN'T WE PASS A MOTION TO HAVE A LOBBYIST GO
LOBBY?
I'M CONFUSED.
IF THE MAYOR WANTS TO VETO.

EXPLAIN IT TO ME.
5:16:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
I REMEMBER THIS CAME UP, I BELIEVE IT WAS -- EXCUSE ME.
I BELIEVE THIS CAME UP UNDER THE IORIO ADMINISTRATION.
IT WAS A SPECIFIC QUESTION DIRECTED TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, AS
I RECALL IT WAS DAVID SMITH AT THE TIME, WHO SPEAKS FOR THE
CITY?
AND I BELIEVE THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE SOMEONE IN THE CITY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THAT OPINION.
BUT EFFECTIVELY, IT IS THE MAYOR AS THE ADMINISTRATIVE HEAD
OF THE CITY, AND PARTICULARLY IN THE CHARTER, JUST AS A
BASIS FOR WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT.
NUMBER 8 UNDER SECTION 401, THE MAYOR, COGNIZANCE OF THE
RELATION OF THE CITY TO THE COUNTY, STATE, FEDERAL AND OTHER
MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS. AND I LOOKED UP THE LEGAL DEFINITION
OF COGNIZANCE, AND IT MEANS JURISDICTION.
SO THAT'S REALLY THE MAYOR'S PURVIEW TO SPEAK FOR THE CITY,
AND THAT'S WHAT THE GIST OF THE MEMO SAID.
SO YES, YOU CAN SPEAK FOR THE CITY COUNCIL, BUT THAT DOES
NOT SPEAK FOR THE CITY.
YOU CAN CERTAINLY LOBBY ON BEHALF OF YOUR OWN POSITION AS A
CITY COUNCIL MEMBER.
NOW GETTING BACK TO WHAT YOU CAN DO, REMEMBER, A RESOLUTION
IS A STATEMENT, A POLICY POSITION OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

THE MAYOR DOES NOT NECESSARILY -- THERE ARE SOME RESOLUTIONS
THAT THE MAYOR DOES SIGN, BUT GENERALLY NO, AND THAT AS
OPPOSED TO AN ORDINANCE WHICH IS A LAW, AND THAT IS THE KIND
OF THING THAT GOES TO THE MAYOR'S SIGNATURE, GOES TO THE
MAYOR FOR HER SIGNATURE OR NOT, IF SHE AGREES TO DO IT OR
ALLOW IT TO BECOME LAW WITHOUT HER SIGNATURE.
SO THE QUESTION IS, FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE, WHAT IS IT
ULTIMATELY THAT THIS CITY COUNCIL, REPRESENTING YOUR
CONSTITUENTS, WANTS TO ACCOMPLISH?
AND ONCE YOU DO THAT, AND YOU COME TO A CONSENSUS, THE
QUESTION THEN TO BE POSED TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, OR POSED
TO ME OR POSED TO THE ADMINISTRATION, IS HOW DO YOU, OR WE,
WORK TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT IT IS THAT CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO DO?
NOW, CLEARLY, THE MAJORITY, IF NOT MOST, IF NOT ALL, OF THE
KIND OF MAIL THAT I SEE COMING TO CITY COUNCIL, DOES NOT
NECESSARILY EXPRESS SUPPORT FOR THIS PROGRAM, AND FRANKLY
THE QUESTION IS, WHAT CAN COUNCIL DO SPECIFICALLY, IF IT'S
COUNCIL'S PLEASURE, AND I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT EXPRESSLY
MADE -- ACTUALLY, I HAVE.
LET ME JUST SAY THAT.
TO BE CLEAR, THERE WAS VOTES WITH REGARD TO THIS, BUT YET IT
KEEPS COMING BACK.
AND I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT YOU ARE ASKING THEN IS WHAT
CAN COUNCIL DO SPECIFICALLY --
5:19:52PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
TO STOP IT FROM COMING BACK. IF THE

COMMUNITY IS SAYING WE WANT TO STOP CHANGING THE NAME, HOW
DO WE STOP THIS?
BECAUSE THIS IS PLAYING GAMES.
SOMETIMES GO ROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND, AND MR. MIRANDA IS
OVER THERE DOING THAT, LET'S GET TO IT.
LET'S JUST GET TO IT.
IF WE DON'T WANT IT DONE IN THIS CITY, THE MAYOR SPEAKS FOR
THE CITY, THIS COUNCIL SPEAKS FOR ITS CONSTITUENTS IN EACH
DISTRICT.
AND IF THE PEOPLE DON'T WANT IT, WHY DON'T WE STOP IT AND
JUST MOVE ON? SO WE NEED TO FIND THAT OUT.
THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
5:20:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE THING IS, COUNCIL NEEDS TO CLEARLY
EXPRESS THAT IF THAT'S COUNCIL'S DECISION, AND THEN WORKING
WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, BECAUSE ACTUALLY, ULTIMATELY, THERE
ARE MULTIPLE WAYS YOU CAN CONTROL SOMETHING.
IN LAW THAT WOULD PREVENT IT PERHAPS, OR PERHAPS BUDGETARY
RESTRAINTS ON IT.
BUT THE THING IS --
5:20:52PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. SHELBY, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I DON'T
NEED ALL THE FLUFF.
I NEED YOU TO EITHER RESEARCH THAT AND GET BACK WITH EACH
INDIVIDUAL COUNCILMEMBER TO TELL THEM IF THERE'S SUPPORT, IF
NOT, THESE ARE THINGS YOU CAN DO AND YOU CAN'T DO, AND YOU
BRING THAT TO THIS BODY, AND WE MOVE ON, EITHER PUT IT TO

BED OR WE MOVE ON, OR WE STOP IT.
BUT YOU ARE GOING ROUND AND ROUND.
5:21:18PM >> MARTIN SHELBY:
I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, SIR.
IF THAT'S THE SENTIMENT OF COUNCIL AND YOU WANT TO
COMMUNICATE THAT, THE FIRST WAY TO DO IT IS GET WITH THE
ADMINISTRATION TO TAKE NOTICE OF IT IS TO PUT TOGETHER A
RESOLUTION, AND TO MAKE THAT THE OFFICIAL STATEMENT OF
POLICY OF THIS PARTICULAR COUNCIL, AND IF YOU WANT IT TO BE
AN OFFICIAL POSITION OF THIS PARTICULAR COUNCIL, AND YOU
WANT TO HAVE THE EFFECT OF LAW, THEN THE WAY TO DO THAT IS
TO SOMEHOW WORKING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, PREFERABLY,
TRANSLATE THAT INTO AN ORDINANCE.
5:21:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GET TO AN END.
5:22:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WILL.
BUT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION THAT KEEPS COMING BACK
IN DIFFERENT FORMS AND IT COMES BACK IN DIFFERENT PROJECTS
WITHIN THE CONSENT AGENDA.
AND WHAT THIS COUNCIL WANTS IS FROM FINALITY, IS WHAT I
HEAR.
5:22:14PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
5:22:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LET'S BRING THIS BACK TO THE AGENDA ITEM
THAT WE ARE AT.
I WILL MAKE ONE LAST STATEMENT.
I AM ON THE BOARD OF THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES.
WE, CITIES IN FLORIDA, THAT BELONG TO THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF

CITIES, HAS BEEN TRYING TO FIGHT SENATE BILL 64 FOR THREE
YEARS.
I LOVE TO SCRAP.
I'LL FIGHT ANYBODY.
BUT THE HISTORIAN, COUNCILMAN VIERA, WHO WAS THE FAMOUS
CHINESE PERSON THAT SAID NEVER ENTER INTO A FIGHT THAT YOU
CAN'T WIN?
I DON'T GET INTO A FIGHT.
FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES FOUND OUT THERE IS NO CITY OUR SIZE
THAT HAS TRIED TO FIGHT SENATE BILL 64.
TO GET THAT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES GO AND FIGHT
TO CHANGE THIS LEGISLATION.
I'LL FIGHT IT.
I WANT TO FIGHT IT, BUT I WOULD RATHER HAVE FORCE IN
NUMBERS.
IN MY OPINION, THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN FIGHT THIS IS BY
SHOWING THE STATE THAT WE CLEANED OUR WATER THAT WE ARE
PUTTING BACK INTO THE BAY.
IF WE CAN'T PROVE THAT, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ONE HELL OF A
TOUGH FIGHT.
THE SIRENS THAT I HEARD GOING BY TONIGHT AND THE DISCUSSIONS
WE HAVE HAD ON THE BUDGET FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SORRY.
I WOULD RATHER SPEND TWO OR THREE MILLION DOLLARS TO TAKE TO
FIGHT THIS WITHOUT THE CLEAN WATER THAT WE ARE REINTRODUCING

INTO THE BAY.
I WOULD RATHER TAKE THIS MONEY AND SPEND IT ON THE FIRE
DEPARTMENT.
I HAVE MADE MY STATEMENT.
WE HAVE TWO AGENDA ITEMS IN FRONT OF US.
NUMBER 12 AND NUMBER 13.
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
THESE ARE REPORTS. ARE WE ACCEPTING THE REPORTS AS GIVEN
AND MOVING ON?
5:24:22PM >> MOVED.
5:24:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AGENDA ITEM --
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:24:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE DIDN'T PRESENT THE OVERVIEW, CORRECT?
5:24:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LET'S HEAR IT THEN.
5:24:42PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
ADMINISTRATOR FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND
MOBILITY.
THAT IS CORRECT, WE DID NOT PROVIDE ANYTHING VERBALLY TODAY
ON ITEM NUMBER 12, WHICH IS WE ARE PLANNING TO GIVE YOU A
SHORT SUMMARY OF THE 17 QUESTIONS WE RECEIVED.
WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO A DEEPER DIVE AT THE FEBRUARY
WORKSHOP IF THAT'S THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL.
IF I CAN MAKE ONE CLARIFYING COMMENT, THE ADMINISTRATION
ISN'T PUSHING ANY PARTICULAR PROJECT.
THE ADMINISTRATION IS SUPPORTING THE TECHNICAL OPINION THAT

WE HAVE PROMISED WE NEED TO SOLVE IN TERMS OF SULPHUR
SPRINGS AND IN TERMS OF HAVING A SUSTAINABLE WATER SOURCE TO
MEET OUR MGD OBLIGATIONS.
THERE IS NO ACTIVE PURE PROJECT.
SO IN CASE THAT'S OUT THERE IN THE PUBLIC, IF THAT'S A
CONCERN, THE ONLY ACTIVITY IS NOW FRANKLY YOUR VOTE TODAY,
PURSUING A WAY TO IMPROVE THIS SAFETY AND QUALITY OF OUR
WASTEWATER PILOT.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THE QUESTIONS,
WE HAVE A FEW SLIDES WE CAN SHARE AND THE ARCHITECT CAN
BRING THESE UP.
5:25:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANTED TO SEE THIS JUST BECAUSE I WAS TOLD
IT WAS GOING TO INCLUDE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT HOW THE
STAKEHOLDERS FELT ABOUT THE MEETING YOU HAD WITH THEM LAST
WEEK.
BUT I DO KNOW, I AM NOT GOING TO ASK ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS
BECAUSE I DO KNOW WE ARE GOING TO GET INTO THIS ON THE
23rd OF FEBRUARY.
5:26:14PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
SO I CAN GIVE YOU A SHORT SUMMARY OF THE
MEETING THIS PAST TUESDAY, AND THEN A SHORT SUMMARY OF THE
17 QUESTIONS IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO.
5:26:25PM >>CHUCK WEBER:
WATER DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR.
I DIDN'T REALLY PREPARE ANY SLIDES ABOUT THE MEETING WE HAD
ON TUESDAY.
I FELT LIKE IT WAS A VERY GOOD MEETING.

WHAT I LIKED MOST ABOUT IT WAS WE HAD OPEN CONVERSATIONS, A
CIVIL CONVERSATION.
IT WAS MY IMPRESSION THAT ALL OF THE ISSUES SURROUNDING THE
WATER RESOURCE CHALLENGES WE HAVE WITH SULPHUR SPRINGS, YOU
KNOW, MAKING OUR WATER SUPPLY MORE RESILIENT, AND COMPLYING
WITH STATE LAW, SENATE BILL 64, ALL THOSE ISSUES THAT WE
HAVE BEEN HEARING IN THE PAST CAME TO THE SURFACE, THEY WERE
DISCUSSED, AND I THINK ALL THE PERSPECTIVES WERE HEARD BASED
ON MY RECOLLECTION OF WHAT I HAVE HEARD IN THE PAST.
SO I FELT LIKE IT WAS A VERY GOOD DISCUSSION.
AND I THINK IT WILL HELP US IN FEBRUARY.
WE'LL HAVE A REPORT COME FROM THE MODERATOR OF THAT
WORKSHOP.
I THINK THERE WILL BE A TRANSCRIPT OF THE WORKSHOP
AVAILABLE, AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE A DEEPER DIVE INTO
THOSE ISSUES IN FEBRUARY.
IT WASN'T THE INTENT REALLY TO GO THROUGH EVERY ISSUE LIKE
WE DID.
WE WERE GOING TO FOCUS ON BEST AND WORST CASE OF WHAT WE
WERE CALLING STATUS QUO.
AND WE DID DISCUSS THAT PART IN DETAIL AS WELL, AND WE
DISCUSSED THE CHALLENGES WITH PURCHASING MORE WATER FROM
TAMPA BAY WATER.
IT'S NOT THAT THAT CAN'T BE DONE, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE
CAN DEFINITELY CONTINUE TO DISCUSS.

IT COULD DEFINITELY BE PART OF OUR PLAN MOVING FORWARD.
BUT THERE ARE CHALLENGES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE CHALLENGES AND OTHER WAYS IN WHICH
WE COULD REDUCE OR ELIMINATE THE DISCHARGE TO COMPLY WITH
SENATE BILL 64.
MR. FLANNERY WAS THERE AND HE DESCRIBES SOME GOOD IDEAS. I
THINK OUR CONVERSATION AT THE FEBRUARY 23rd WORKSHOP.
TAMPA BAY WATER WAS THERE, AND HE REAFFIRMED -- I WANT TO
MAKE SURE THAT I GET HIS POINT CLEAR -- HE SAYS TAMPA BAY
WATER STANDS READY TO SERVE, BUT HE ALSO INDICATED THAT IF
THEY NEED TO SUPPLY US WATER UNDER 82, THAT CAN BE A
CHALLENGE IN A DROUGHT SITUATION, AND WE DO STAND LAST IN
LINE.
IF WE WANTED TO CHANGE THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, WE CAN'T
REALLY DO THAT AT TAMPA BAY WATER BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT A
PARTY TO THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.
WE HAVE TO GO TO MEMBER GOVERNMENTS, AND EACH AND EVERY
MEMBER GOVERNMENT HAS TO APPROVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
SO WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT.
AND IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THAT CAN'T BE DONE, BUT WE HAD A
GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD ENTAIL.
FINALLY, I WANT TO -- I THINK WE COULD HAVE A GOOD
DISCUSSION ON FEBRUARY 23rd AND I CAN MOVE ON AND TALK
ABOUT THE 17 QUESTIONS IF THAT'S GOOD, AN OVERVIEW.
5:29:30PM >> COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, IT'S YOUR MOTION.

5:29:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
5:29:35PM >>CHUCK WEBER:
I DON'T KNOW IF WE STILL HAVE THE
PRESENTATION.
JUST TO REITERATE.
WE DON'T HAVE NEAR THE TIME TO GO THROUGH EACH AND EVERY
QUESTION, SO AS I GO THROUGH IT, MAYBE CORRECT SOME OF THE
OTHER THINGS THAT WERE SAID EARLIER TODAY THAT I FEEL WERE A
LITTLE INACCURATE.
I CAN UNDERSTAND THE EMOTION AND THE CONCERN BEHIND THESE
QUESTIONS.
THEY ARE GOOD QUESTIONS.
THEY ARE QUESTIONS WE ASKED OURSELVES AS WE GET INTO THIS
PROJECT.
SO I HAVE EMPATHY FOR THE QUESTIONS AND THE NEED TO HAVE A
RESPONSE TO THE QUESTIONS THAT SAY, YEAH, OKAY, I GET IT,
AND THIS FEELS GOOD.
SO WE DID OUR BEST TO GROUP THE QUESTIONS INTO SIMILAR AREAS
OF CONCERN SO THAT WE COULD -- WE COULD TAKE A HOLISTIC
APPROACH AND NOT JUST GIVE A ONE OR TWO-WORD ANSWER TO THE
QUESTION BUT WE COULD ADDRESS THE CONCERNS BEHIND THE
QUESTIONS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE GROUPED THEM.
SO THAT PART THAT I HEARD EARLIER WAS TRUE, WE DID GROUP
THEM, BUT WE DID IN WRITING ANSWER EACH AND EVERY QUESTION.
SO EACH QUESTION, ALTHOUGH THEY ARE GROUPED UNDER AREAS OF

CONCERN, EACH QUESTION HAS ITS OWN SEPARATE ANSWER.
SO THAT WAS I THINK MAYBE A MISUNDERSTANDING EARLIER WHEN IT
WAS STATED THAT WE DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTIONS INDIVIDUALLY.
WE DID.
SO WITH THAT, I WILL JUST JUMP INTO THIS OVERVIEW.
I THINK WE HAVE FIVE SLIDES AFTER THIS ONE.
THE NEXT SLIDE THERE.
SO THE GROUPINGS REQUEST THE NEED FOR THE PROJECT.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER AND CAN'T
ANSWER RIGHT NOW.
WHY DO WE NEED NOT REALLY A PROJECT BUT WHY DO WE NEED TO
ADDRESS THESE RESOURCE CHALLENGES WE HAVE?
SO THAT PART WE PROVIDED INFORMATION ON.
WE THINK WE HAVE ANSWERED THOSE QUESTIONS THOROUGHLY.
THE QUESTIONS ON COST, THOSE ARE DIFFICULT QUESTIONS TO
ANSWER, ALONG WITH THE OTHER TWO.
A LOT OF TREATMENT AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT BECAUSE WE NEED
TO DO A LOT MORE ENGINEERING WORK BEFORE WE CAN REALLY
SATISFY THE CONCERN BEHIND THE QUESTION.
SO JUST TALKING TO NEED IT REALLY BOILS DOWN TO THESE THREE
AREA WATER RESOURCE CHALLENGES, MEETING MINIMUM FLOWS, AND
SUPPLYING 82 MILLION GALLONS A DAY OF DRINKING WATER UNDER
ALL CONDITIONS, AND COMPLYING WITH THE STATE LAW.
THE COST, WHY WE CAN'T GIVE A FIRM COST, AND RIGHT NOW IS I
TRIED TO LAY OUT THIS PROCESS THAT WE NEED TO FOLLOW TO GET,

AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE AT THAT FIRST SUB.
WE NEED TO DO FUND THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND DO THE PUBLIC
ENGAGEMENT AND SCREEN THROUGH THE ALTERNATIVES.
THEN WE NEED TO SELECT AN ALTERNATIVE.
THE PRICING THAT WE HAVE SO FAR, THE COST WE HAVE SO FAR,
ARE SCREENING LEVEL COSTS.
THEY ARE NOT REALLY GOING TO BE THE FINAL COST OF THE
PROJECTS, BUT THEY ARE USED TO HELP SCREEN OUT PROJECTS TO
FIGURE OUT WHICH ONES ARE WORTH PURSUING MORE.
THEN YOU DO THE DETAILED ENGINEERING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE
COSTS ARE GOING TO BE.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, ONCE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO
BUILD, FUR GOING TO BUILD SOMETHING, THEN YOU GO OUT AND YOU
PURSUE GRANTS AND COST SHARING, BECAUSE SOME OF OUR OPTIONS
FOR ADDRESSING THESE CHALLENGES INCLUDE PARTNERS LIKE TAMPA
BAY WATER, WHO MAY PURCHASE RECLAIMED WATER FROM US, AND
THAT IS A REVENUE STREAM AND NOT A COST.
SO WE CAN'T REALLY GET TO FIGURING OUT THE BOTTOM LINE, HOW
MUCH IS THIS GOING TO COST THE CITY AND HOW IS IT GOING TO
IMPACT OUR BILL, UNTIL YOU GO THROUGH ALL THOSE STEPS.
AND WE ARE JUST AT THE VERY BEGINNING.
THE SCREEN COSTS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW RANGE FROM JUST UNDER A
DOLLAR TO JUST OVER $15 PER THOUSAND GALLONS.
THAT'S A HUGE RANGE.
AND REALLY, THE UPPER END OF THAT RIGHT NOW IS THE WAY THAT

WE HAVE LOOKED AT THE PURPLE PIPE SYSTEM IN THE PAST.
THERE MAY BE WAYS TO APPROACH, APPROACH DIFFERENTLY, AND
REDUCE THE COSTS AND STILL ACHIEVE WHAT WE NEED TO ACHIEVE
WITH REGARDS TO THE WATER RESOURCE CHALLENGES.
BUT THE LAST POINT I WANTED TO MAKE ON COST IS THE IMPACT TO
THE BILL.
I THINK WE HAVE GOT A LONG HISTORY OF MAKING SURE WE ARE
PROVIDING GOOD QUALITY WATER AT A FAIR PRICE.
THIS CHART, AND I APOLOGIZE IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO READ, BUT
IT SHOWS THAT OUR WATER BILL IS ROUGHLY HALF OF WHAT'S IN
THE REGION NOW, AND I BELIEVE THIS CHART IS ACCURATE AS TO
OCTOBER OF 2021.
AND THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF RATE INCREASES AT THE OTHER
UTILITIES.
AND IN TALKING TO THE STAFF AT OTHER UTILITIES, THERE'S NEED
TO CONTINUE TO INCREASE THEIR RATES AS WELL.
AND THIS IS SIMILAR CHALLENGES, RISING COST ON PROJECTS DUE
TO INFLATION.
SO THE BOTTOM LINE TO MAKE AT THIS POINT IS WE ARE NOT GOING
TO PROPOSE ANY SOLUTION TO THESE PROJECTS THAT SEND OUR BILL
OUT OR THE IMPACT ON THE BILL.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO ASK FOR A SOLUTION THAT'S NOT
AFFORDABLE.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
WE FULLY INTEND TO KEEP OUR RATES AT A REASONABLE RATE LIKE

YOU SEE HERE.
I JUST WANT TO SPEAK REAL QUICK TO WATER QUALITY TREATMENT
AND SAFETY.
YOU KNOW, SAFE WATER IS ACHIEVABLE AND AFFORDABLE AND WE
HAVE BEEN DEMONSTRATING THIS FOR DECADES.
THERE ARE EXISTING WASTEWATER DISCHARGES UPSTREAM OF OUR
WATER SUPPLY RIGHT NOW.
PLANT CITY DISCHARGES INTO THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER ABOVE
WHERE WE TAKE THE WATER OUT AND WHERE TAMPA BAY WATER TAKES
THE WATER OUT AND BYPASS.
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY DISCHARGES WASTEWATER UPSTREAM OF THE
TAMPA BAY WATER INTAKE ON THE ALAFIA RIVER.
SO THESE CONCEPTS AND THE TREATMENT PROCESSES USED TO
ADDRESS THESE TYPES OF CHALLENGES, THEY ARE NOT NEW, AND WE
HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL AT IT FOR DECADES.
AND THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THAT OUR GOAL
IS NOT JUST TO MEET REGULATIONS.
WE HAVE GOT A PHILOSOPHY OF EXCEEDING REGULATORY
REQUIREMENTS.
I ALWAYS LIKE TO POINT TO OUR EXAMPLE OF BEING A FOUNDING
MEMBER OF THE PARTNERSHIP FOR SAFE WATER, WHERE WE SUBMIT
DATA ON AN ANNUAL BASIS TO SHOW THAT WE ARE CONTINUALLY
IMPROVING.
THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THAT WE ARE ACTIVE
IN AN INDUSTRY OF EXPERTS ON THIS TOPIC, AND THAT THERE IS A

VERY HIGH LEVEL OF REGULATORY OVERSIGHT ON THESE PROCESSES.
I WANT TO GIVE A VERY SPECIFIC EXAMPLE.
YESTERDAY I WAS ATTENDING A REGIONAL MEETING THAT TAMPA BAY
WATER HOSTED, AND THERE WERE DIRECTORS AND WATER QUALITY
EXPERTS FROM ALL THE UTILITIES.
AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE REGULATIONS AND WHERE THEY ARE
AT.
AND I THINK I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS COUNCIL
UNDERSTANDS THAT THOSE REGULATIONS ARE MOVING FORWARD.
IN FACT, PENNSYLVANIA ADOPTED REGULATIONS I THINK WITHIN THE
LAST WEEK, AND WE DO HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH PFAS AND PFOA
CAN BE LEFT IN THE WATER AND CONSIDERED SAFE.
AND WE HAVE THESE GUIDEPOSTS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT FROM
PENNSYLVANIA, TO THE UPPER SINGLE DIGITS OF WHERE THESE
REGULATIONS ARE DIALING IN.
AND THAT IS GOOD NEWS FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WE HAVE TESTED PFAS, AND WE DON'T WAIT FOR REGULATIONS TO
FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE AN ISSUE.
RIGHT NOW IN THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, WE HAVE BEEN MEASURING
SOMEWHERE AROUND 3 TO 5 PARTS PER TRILLION, WHICH IS AN
EXTREMELY LOW NUMBER, AND THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAVE TO
MEASURE THAT ONLY GOES DOWN TO 2 PARTS PER TRILLION.
WE CAN'T MEASURE LOWER THAN THAT.
SO WE ARE BARELY AT THE DETECTABLE LIMIT.
BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE LEVELS IN OUR WATER ARE LOWER THAN

WHAT THE REGULATIONS MAY BE, AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE
SHOULDN'T STILL LOOK AT WHAT WE NEED TO TREAT, BECAUSE
THINGS CAN CHANGE, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE AN
EFFECTIVE TREATMENT PROCESS.
BUT IT DOES POINT TO THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE WITH THE
UTILITY EXPERTS AND THE DIRECTORS ON WATER QUALITY. THESE
ARE THE KIND OF DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE ALL THE TIME.
AND I JUST WANTED TO PAINT A PICTURE THAT WE ARE NOT JUST
OPERATING IN A VACUUM HERE AT THE CITY OF TAMPA AND STAYING
AHEAD OF THE REGULATIONS AND THE SAFETY AND WATER QUALITY
ARE PARAMOUNT IMPORTANCE TO WHAT WE HAVE DONE, ONE YEAR SHY
OF 100 YEARS AT THE TIPPIN PLANT.
THE LAST THING I WANTED TO ADDRESS IS ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
I WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE WILL BE DOING DETAILED
MODELING.
WE HAVE ALREADY DONE SOME UNDER SOME OF THE PREVIOUS
PROJECTS.
BUT IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE IF WE MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE
EXCELLENT QUALITY OF THE HOWARD F. CURREN PLANT TO THE BAY,
WE'LL DO DETAILED MODELING TO MAKE SURE WE FIGURE OUT HOW
DOES THAT EFFECT THINGS?
IF WE END UP PUTTING RECLAIMED WATER IN THE RIVER, WHETHER
IT'S DOWNSTREAM OF THE DAM, UPSTREAM OF THE DAM OR REALLY
ANYWHERE, THERE'S A LOT OF DETAILED MODELING THAT WE WILL
DO, AND WE HAVE ALREADY DONE SOME, AND AS FAR AS OTHER

IMPACTS AND THE WAY WE ADDRESS THOSE IS THE PILOT TESTING,
THE SIX PILOT IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF PILOT TESTING.
THEN I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT OUR GOAL IS TO MEET DRINKING
WATER STANDARD GOING INTO THE ENVIRONMENT.
THAT IS WHAT DEP IS LOOKING FOR WHEN THEY ARE PERMITTING
THESE FACILITIES.
AND THEY ARE STARTING TO PERMIT THESE FACILITIES RIGHT NOW
THROUGHOUT THE STATE.
SO I LOOK FORWARD TO FEBRUARY 23rd WHEN WE CAN TALK
ABOUT THESE THINGS IN A LOT MORE DETAIL.
AND I THINK WITH THAT I WILL JUST END AND TAKE ANY QUESTIONS
YOU HAVE.
5:39:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:39:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM GOING TO SAVE MY QUESTIONS FOR THE MORE
ROBUST CONVERSATION WE HAVE ON THE 23rd.
THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION.
5:39:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:39:57PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST SOMETHING QUICK.
FOR YOU ALL WHO SEE MY FRUSTRATION, ANYBODY ON TV SEES MY
FRUSTRATION, I WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW MY FRUSTRATION IS NOT
WITH CHUCK AND JEAN AND THEIR STAFF.
THEY SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH ME AND ALSO THE STAKEHOLDERS
OUT THERE.
IT'S MORE OF A POLICY PHILOSOPHICAL DECISION ABOUT THAT.

AND I AM VERY FRUSTRATED WITH THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY AND
OTHER THINGS.
I KNOW YOU ALL ARE DOING YOUR BEST.
YOU ARE TRYING.
YOU WORK WITH SID ON THE DEP LETTER AND OTHER THINGS, AND
YOU ALL HAVE HAD LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS WITH ME, AND I KNOW
YOU ARE DOING YOUR BEST AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
THANK YOU.
5:40:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, CHUCK.
ALWAYS A GENTLEMAN.
I MESSED UP MY QUOTES.
THE QUOTE I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER WAS FROM SUN TZU FROM
"THE ART OF WAR."
AND THAT IS, WHO WISHES TO FIGHT MUST FIRST COUNT WHAT COST.
THE STATEMENT I MADE WAS FROM LUIS VIERA'S HERO, RAMBO,
DON'T ENTER INTO A WAR YOU CANNOT WIN.
WE HAVE AN APPLICANT THAT IS IN THE LIBRARY USING THEIR
WI-FI AND THAT LIBRARY IS GOING TO CLOSE IN 20 MINUTES.
SO I AM SUGGESTING WE GO TO AGENDA ITEM 57 SO WE CAN HELP
OUT THAT APPLICANT.
5:41:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ITEM 57.
THE APPLICANT.
YES, SIR, I SEE YOU THERE.
IF YOU COULD PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND SO WE CAN SWEAR
YOU IN.

PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF SO WE CAN HEAR YOUR VOICE.
5:41:50PM >>ROSS SAMONS:
I NEED TO BE SWORN IN, PLEASE.
ROSS SAMMONS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
PRESENTING FILE NUMBER VAC 23-01. THE APPLICANT IS
TRUCAPITAL GROUP LLC, PROPERTY ADDRESS, 4501 NORTH HIGHLAND
AVENUE, TO VACATE THE ALLEY LYING NORTH OF EMMA STREET,
SOUTH OF CAYUGA STREET, EAST OF HIGHLAND AVENUE, WEST OF
FLORIDA AVENUE.
THIS APPLICATION WAS FILED WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA ON OCTOBER
20th, 2022.
APPLICANT OWNS PROPERTY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ALLEYWAY.
THE PLACE TO BE VACATED.
THE APPLICANT'S REASON FOR THE APPLICATION IS TO RENOVATE --
THE ALLEY WAS CREATED BY SUBDIVISION PLAT.
EXISTING ALLEYWAY IS APPROXIMATELY 6,850 SQUARE FEET.
THE PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST IN YELLOW. THE ALLEY IS IN
YELLOW.
AND THE OWNER'S PROPERTY IN RED.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE PROPOSED REQUEST OF THE ALLEY, AND MOVING
NORTH IN THE SOUTH SECTION HERE, AND THAT IS NOT TO BE
VACATED.
CITY OF TAMPA ATLAS SHEET SHOWING THE ALLEY IN RED.
AGAIN THE NORTH SOUTH SECTION OF THE VACATED.
AND SHOWN PREVIOUS VACATING IN THE AREA.
THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY.

THIS IS THE ALLEYWAY LOOKING EAST FROM NORTH HIGHLAND
AVENUE.
THIS IS LOOKING NORTH SOUTH SECTION OF THE ALLEYWAY NOT TO
BE VACATED FROM EMMA STREET.
STAFF HAD NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS VACATING REQUEST.
EASEMENT RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED BY STORMWATER AND
WASTEWATER.
NATURAL RESOURCES, FILE CHAPTER 27 WITH REGARD TO TREE
PRESERVATION.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
5:44:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, SIR.
5:44:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
DO WE HAVE A PETITIONER HERE?
PETITIONER, ARE YOU THERE?
5:44:29PM >> YES.
5:44:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND TO BE SWORN IN?
HE HAS BEEN SWORN IN.
OKAY, THANK YOU.
THANK YOU.
PLEASE, PETITIONER, PROCEED.
SIR, CAN YOU PLEASE TELL US WHY YOU WANT THIS?
5:44:55PM >> [ INAUDIBLE ]
5:45:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DOES THAT FINISH YOUR PRESENTATION?

5:45:14PM >> YES.
5:45:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER?
SIR, I HEARD YOU SAY YOU WERE GOING TO BUILD AN ADU,
ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE -- THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE
LIVING IN THAT ADU, WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PARK THEIR CARS
AT?
5:45:33PM >> TO THE RIGHT.
5:45:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SO THEY ARE GOING TO BE NOT PARKING ON THE
STREET, THEY ARE GOING TO BE PARKING ON YOUR PROPERTY?
5:45:41PM >> IN THE DRIVEWAY.
5:45:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IN THE DRIVEWAY, NOT COVERING ANY SIDEWALK.
5:45:47PM >> NO, NO.
5:45:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OKAY, THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
5:45:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I SAW SOMETHING IN THE TIMES THE OTHER
DAY, 600 SQUARE FOOT, AND ABOUT $400 A FOOT, LIVABLE 400.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOUR TAXES ARE GOING TO BE.
BUT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE ONE METER, ONE ELECTRIC METER OR
TWO ELECTRIC METERS?
5:46:16PM >> [DISTORTION] ONE ELECTRIC METER.
5:46:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
TWO ELECTRIC METERS.
5:46:20PM >> ONE ELECTRIC METER.
ONE.
5:46:21PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHAT ABOUT WATER METER?

5:46:24PM >> ONE WATER METER.
5:46:27PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SO YOU ARE GOING TO RENT IT OUT?
5:46:32PM >> [ INAUDIBLE ]
5:46:40PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I MISSED THAT.
I DIDN'T QUITE HEAR.
RENT THE ADU OR SELL IT?
5:46:49PM >> GOING TO SELL BOTH OF THEM.
5:46:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU ARE GOING TO SELL BOTH OF THEM.
THANK YOU.
5:46:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:47:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WAS JUST GOING TO SPEAK AFTER PUBLIC
COMMENT.
5:47:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THERE ANYONE IN CHAMBERS THAT WISHES TO
SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 57, VAC 23-01?
WHAT THE IS PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
5:47:32PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
5:47:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
WHO WOULD LIKE TO READ THIS?
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
FURTHER COMMENTS?
5:47:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE
GENERALLY SPEAKING IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS WE DON'T SUPPORT
CLOSING ALLEYS.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORTS.
SO I AM NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS.
I THINK WE CLOSE WAY TOO MANY ALLEYS IN THE CITY BECAUSE AS
WE ADD THESE ADUS AND OTHER TYPES OF HOUSING WE CAN HAVE
PEOPLE GET TO THEM THROUGH THE BACK, AND GETTING RID OF ALL
THESE ALLEYS IN AREAS WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY BE USED TO
REACH HOUSES, IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT I AM GOING TO
SUPPORT.
5:48:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IF I MAY, YOU HEARD ME LAST NIGHT AT A
PUBLIC FORUM WHERE I SAID THE ONLY WAY ADUs IS GOING TO
WORK IS IF WE CANCAN CAN PARK OR ENTER FROM THE REAR, AND I
CAN'T SUPPORT THIS AS IS.
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
5:48:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR THE FIRST
READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA,
FLORIDA VACATES CLOSING, DISCONTINUING THE ALLEYWAY LOCATED
NORTH OF EMMA STREET, SOUTH OF CAYUGA STREET, EAST OF
HIGHLAND AVENUE AND WEST OF FLORIDA AVENUE WITHIN THE PLAT
OF MEADOW BROOK SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY ASK AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2
HEREIN SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS CONDITIONS AND
RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN PROVIDING
FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS PROVIDING FOR
DEFINITIONS INTERPRETATIONS AND REPEALING CONFLICT PROVIDING

FOR SEVERABILITY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
5:49:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
5:49:27PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
5:49:32PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
5:49:33PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
5:49:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
5:49:36PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
5:49:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
5:49:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO.
5:49:40PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION FAILED WITH CARLSON, MIRANDA, HURTAK
AND CITRO VOTING NO.
5:49:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HANG ON.
MR. SHELBY.
5:49:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE MOTION FAILED.
WOULD YOU PLEASE MAKE A SUBSEQUENT MOTION TO DENY?
AND YOU MAY HAVE A BASIS FOR THAT SO IT WILL BE IN THE
RECORD.
5:50:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCIL?
5:50:17PM >> MAY I SAY SOMETHING?
5:50:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OUR DISCUSSION IS NOW CLOSED.
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
5:50:24PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, I KNOW
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK STATED HER BASIS, IF THAT'S PART OF THE
MOTION, AND IF THERE'S ANY OTHER FACTS THAT COUNCIL WISHES.

5:50:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DENY AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF
TAMPA, FLORIDA VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING -- OH, GOSH,
I'M SORRY, THE WRONG ONE.
MY APOLOGIES.
FILE VAC 23-01, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
CONSIDERATION, I AM DENYING OR -- SORRY, IT'S BEEN A LONG
DAY -- MOTION TO CITIZEN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA,
FLORIDA VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING, AND ABANDONING THE
ALLEYWAY LOCATED NORTH OF EMMA STREET, SOUTH OF CAYUGA
STREET, EAST OF HIGHLAND AVENUE AND WEST OF FLORIDA AVENUE
WITHIN THE PLAT OF MEADOW WOOD SUBDIVISION, IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FLORIDA AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED
IN SECTION 2 HEREOF SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS, CONDITIONS
AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN -- I
GUESS I DON'T NEED TO READ ALL OF THAT.
FOR VIOLATIONS FOR INTERPRETATIONS, DEFINITIONS -- YES, SO I
AM DENYING IT, AND THE RATIONALE BEHIND IS THAT WE NEED TO
ENCOURAGE MORE WAYS TO REACH -- SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A MORE
VARIED HOUSING STOCK WITHIN THE CITY AND IF WE KEEP CLOSING
THESE ALLEYS WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THAT POSSIBILITY AWAY.
5:52:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
DISCUSSION.
ROLL CALL VOTE.

5:52:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
5:52:24PM >>LUIS VIERA:
NO.
5:52:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
5:52:29PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
5:52:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
5:52:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
5:52:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
5:52:35PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH -- GUDES, VIERA,
MANISCALCO VOTING NO.
5:52:47PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE COUNCIL HAS TWO VOTES.
THE FIRST MOTION WAS TO APPROVE. THAT FAILED TO GET THE
NECESSARY FOUR VOTES.
THAT WAS FOLLOWED BY A MOTION TO DENY YOUR APPLICATION, AND
THAT WAS PASSED BY A MOTION OF FOUR VOTES.
SO CITY COUNCIL'S FINAL ACTION IS TO NOT ACCEPT YOUR
PETITION AND THE VACATION WAS NOT GRANTED BY THE CITY
COUNCIL.
5:53:18PM >> CAN I SAY SOMETHING?
5:53:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MY SUGGESTION IS YOU TALK WITH STAFF, AND
YOU DO HAVE CERTAIN RIGHTS TO APPEAL, THAT'S YOUR DECISION.
I CANNOT ADVISE YOU ABOUT THAT.
COUNCIL, I REMIND YOU THAT YOU HAVE A 30-DAY APPEAL PERIOD
FROM THE TIME THE PETITIONER IS NOTIFIED.
5:53:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
WE ARE GOING BACK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14.

FILE NUMBER CM 22-77270.
MR. CARLSON, THIS IS YOUR MOTION.
5:54:07PM >>MARCELLA HAMILTON:
ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
ON SEPTEMBER 1st, YOU PROVIDED A MOTION ASKING THAT
LEGAL PRESENT A REPORT REGARDING A PROHIBITION ON LOBBYING
BY ENTITIES THAT RECEIVE CITY FUNDS TO PREVENT THEM FROM
LOBBYING ON BEHALF OF THIRD PARTIES.
I PROVIDED A REPORT IN REGARD TO THIS.
WE DO HAVE, FROM WHAT I CAN GATHER, WE BASICALLY HAD TWO
MEANS OF FUNDING FOR PROCUREMENTS AND ALSO PROVIDING FOR TWO
ENTITIES, NONPROFITS.
IT HASN'T BEEN STATED AS TO WHO YOU WISH TO PROHIBIT FROM
LOBBYING.
ADDITIONAL ISSUES IN REGARD TO NONPROFITS, CERTAIN
NONPROFITS ARE ORGANIZED IN ORDER TO PROMOTE ECONOMIC GROWTH
IN THE CITY, ALSO SOCIAL WELFARE.
IF WE PROHIBIT THEM FROM LOBBYING ON BEHALF OF THOSE
PARTIES, IT KIND OF PROHIBITS THE ACTIVITIES THAT THEY ARE
ORGANIZED FOR. THAT'S AN ISSUE.
SO OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE WHEN THEY HEAR ABOUT LOBBYING, THERE ARE
ISSUES CONCERNING LOBBYING, WITH TRANSPARENCY.
YOU ALSO PROBABLY DO WISH TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE AS FAR AS
THEIR IDEAS CONCERNING HOW THAT IS FUNDED SO HAVE AN OPEN
FORUM FOR THE WHOLE PUBLIC TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THEIR
IDEAS.

SO ONE OF THE BIGGEST ARGUMENTS IN REGARDS TO THIS IS FREE
SPEECH UNDER THE FIRST AMENDMENT.
CURRENTLY, THERE IS NO U.S. SUPREME COURT OPINION REGARDING
NOT BEING DEEMED FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
HOWEVER, THERE HAS BEEN VARIOUS CASES REGARDING PETITIONING,
GRIEVANCES TO PROTECT AND EXTENDED TO RIGHTS CONCERNING JUST
BRINGING VARIOUS MOTIONS TO COUNCIL OR GOVERNMENT ENTITIES,
NOT JUST GRIEVANCES, JUST EXPRESSING THEIR OPINIONS.
THERE HAVE BEEN VARIOUS DIFFERENT STANDARDS.
FREE SPEECH HAS THREE DIFFERENT STANDARDS.
WHEN WE GET INTO ABOUT TRULY PROHIBITING FREE SPEECH, IT
DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU ARE PROHIBITING.
IN THIS CASE, WE THINK THAT PERHAPS STRICT SCRUTINY WOULD
COME INTO PLAY, SO THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME SORT OF
ORDINANCE.
WE DO HAVE PROVISIONS IN PLACE ALREADY REGARDING
TRANSPARENCY, WHERE ALL LOBBYISTS DO HAVE TO REGISTER AND
THEY ALSO HAVE TO FILE AN EXTENDED REPORT.
5:57:15PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I? YOU ARE AN EXPERT IN THIS AREA.
YEAH, MY CONCERN IS THE IMPRESSION THAT THE CITY WOULD FUND
AN ORGANIZATION THAT WOULD THEN TURN AROUND AND LOBBY THE
CITY, THAT THE CITY WOULD DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY PAY FOR
LOBBYING.
AND MY FIRM WORKING WITH OTHER GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATIONS HAS
BEEN UNDER SIMILAR RESTRICTIONS.

THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT.
I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONES THEY WERE.
BUT YOU HAVE DONE SOME RESEARCH AND THE ONES YOU LOOKED AT
DIDN'T HAVE THAT.
BUT I WILL DROP THIS ISSUE, BUT JUST TO GIVE KIND OF AN
EXTREME EXAMPLE, WE HAVE HAD FOR EXAMPLE NONPROFITS THAT WE
FIND ADVOCATE IN FAVOR OF VERY CONTROVERSIAL REAL ESTATE
PROJECTS, AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD GIVE THE
IMPRESSION -- LET ME ASK YOU AS AN EXTREME EXAMPLE AND THEN
I WILL BE QUIET AND MOVE ON.
LET'S SAY THERE WAS A NONPROFIT CALLED CITIZENS FOR BIKING
WHILE BLACK, AND WE GAVE THEM $500,000, AND THAT THE
$500,000 WAS NOT LOBBYING SOMETHING ELSE, BUT THEN THEY
TURNED AROUND AND BROUGHT 100 PEOPLE EVERY WEEK AND SAY WE
NEED BIKING WHILE BLACK.
WOULD THERE BE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT?
WE DIDN'T OFFICIALLY PAY FOR IT.
MAYBE WE WERE PAYING FOR OFFICIALLY PAYING FOR BIKE LIGHTS
OR SOMETHING.
BUT THEN THAT ORGANIZATION SHOWS UP WITH 100 PEOPLE EVERY
WEEK SAYING BIKING WHILE BLACK IS A GOOD THING.
IS THAT ALLOWED UNDER OUR RULES NOW?
5:58:55PM >>MARCELLA HAMILTON:
IT WOULD BE ALLOWED AS IT STANDS NOW,
YES.
5:58:59PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT'S AN EXTREME EXAMPLE, BUT WHEN A

NONPROFIT RECEIVES A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY FROM THE CITY, IS
LOBBYING US IN FAVOR OF A CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE, I HAVE
CONCERNS ABOUT IT. IF THEY ARE NOT GETTING MONEY, THAT'S
FINE.
THANK YOU.
5:59:14PM >> ANYONE ELSE?
COMMENTS, QUESTIONS?
I BELIEVE THIS IS YOUR MOTION.
ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THE REPORT?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:59:26PM >>MARCELLA HAMILTON:
THANK YOU.
5:59:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CAN I HAVE SOMEONE PLEASE MAKE A MOTION TO
CONTINUE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 57?
I'M SORRY, 59.
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
I'M SORRY, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO THE
CONTINUANCE ONLY?
5:59:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
TO WHAT DATE AND TIME?
I SEE MS. PETTIS-MACKLE HERE.
THERE WAS A MEMO ABOUT THAT.
WHAT WAS THE DATE?
APRIL 20th.
THANK YOU.
5:59:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE IN COUNCIL
CHAMBERS?

MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15.
FILE CM 22-78639.
6:00:26PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
CITY ATTORNEY.
URSULA RICHARDSON IN THE LITIGATION GROUP HAD TO LEAVE.
SHE AND I PREPARED THIS MEMORANDUM TOGETHER.
BASICALLY THE QUESTION, COUNCILMAN CARLSON RAISED A QUESTION
ABOUT WHETHER THERE WAS ANY NEED TO RETROACTIVELY APPROVE
SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS THAT WERE NOT BROUGHT BEFORE COUNCIL
DURING THE PERIOD OF TIME BETWEEN 2018 AND THIS NEW
AMENDMENT TO THE CODE THAT YOU ALL APPROVED LAST WEEK.
BASICALLY, WE EXPLAINED A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE IS THAT SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS PER SAY, THAT BEING A TWO
PARTY AGREEMENT EXECUTED BY THE CITY AND THE PARTY THAT SUED
THE CITY, ARE EXTREMELY RARE.
I AM ONLY AWARE OF ONE SUCH AGREEMENT SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE
FOR 3-PLUS YEARS NOW.
TYPICALLY WHEN A CASE IS SETTLED, THE PARTY THAT SUES THE
CITY SIGNS A RELEASE, ONLY SIGNED BY THEM, NOT BY THE CITY,
AND THE CITY GIVES THEM A CHECK, AND THAT'S THE AGREEMENT.
THERE IS NO, AGAIN, TWO-PARTY AGREEMENT.

SO PART OF THE QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND
RETROACTIVELY APPROVE THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS?
THERE ARE NONE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ONE I'M AWARE OF.
BUT THE OTHER THING, THE OTHER POINT THAT WE TRIED TO MAKE
IN THIS MEMORANDUM IS THERE'S NO REASON, THERE'S NO LEGAL
EXPOSURE THE CITY FACES AS A RESULT OF THOSE AGREEMENTS
HAVING NOT BEEN TO COUNCIL, IN OUR OPINION.
SO THERE REALLY IS NO NEED TO RETROACTIVELY APPROVE -- FOR
CITY COUNCIL TO RETROACTIVELY APPROVE SETTLEMENTS THAT WERE
MADE DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME WHEN SETTLEMENTS WERE NOT
BEING BROUGHT TO COUNCIL.
6:02:32PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS IS MY ITEM.
I THINK IT WAS MY ITEM.
6:02:37PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
IT WAS.
6:02:40PM >>BILL CARLSON:
AND I APPRECIATE YOU ALL LOOKING THROUGH
THIS.
I WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.
I SAW COUNSEL OUTSIDE FROM MY OWN ATTORNEYS, WHICH I PAID
FOR, AND THEIR ADVICE WAS BRING THIS QUESTION FORWARD SO
THAT I AT LEAST FELT I WAS DOING MY DUE DILIGENCE IN
BRINGING THIS FORWARD AND MAKING SURE THAT I DID EVERYTHING
I COULD TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY, AND REGARDLESS
OF WHATEVER ADVICE I HAVE FROM THEM, WE NOW HAVE AN OFFICIAL
OPINION FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND THAT'S ENOUGH FOR ME.
THANK YOU.

6:03:14PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
THEN THE FINAL THING IS YOU ASKED A
QUESTION ABOUT BEING ABLE TO LOOK AT SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS
OR RELEASES OR RECORDS REGARDING SETTLEMENTS, AND AS I SAID
IN THE MEMORANDUM,
CERTAINLY, UPON REASONABLE REQUESTS, OBVIOUSLY, IT TAKES
TIME TO PULL DOCUMENTS TOGETHER AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT YOU AND I HAVE DISCUSSED THIS.
WE ARE HAPPY TO MAKE THOSE DOCUMENTS AVAILABLE SHOULD
COUNCIL WANT TO SIT DOWN WITH US AND REVIEW A PARTICULAR
TIME PERIOD, A PARTICULAR CASE, WHATEVER.
WE ARE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
6:03:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
6:03:51PM >>BILL CARLSON:
AND YOU ALL SEPARATELY APPROVED A MOTION TO
ASK STAFF TO ALLOW ME TO LOOK AT THESE AND WE ARE OFFICERS
OF THE CITY AND SHOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT.
I TALKED TO MS. ZELMAN.
SHE SAID NO PROBLEM.
AND WE ARE SCHEDULING THE TIME.
I HAVE GIVEN HER A MORE NARROW SCOPE OF WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO
LOOK AT AND I HAVE OFFERED TO GO TO HER OFFICE SO I AM NOT
COPYING ANY DOCUMENTS OR CARRYING THEM OUTSIDE OF HER OFFICE
SO WE DON'T CREATE LIABILITY FOR THE CITY.
BUT THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH ME ON THAT.
6:04:18PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
THANK YOU.
6:04:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16.

FILE CM 22-73825.
6:04:47PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY HERE ON ITEM NUMBER 16
TO APPEAR AND REPORT ON MY ADVICE REGARDING CREATING AN
ORDINANCE TO PROTECT ELECTED OFFICIALS SUED UNDER CHAPTER
119.
COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE TO BE BRIEF, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO
CREATE THE SETTING FOR THE CONTEXT OF THIS DISCUSSION, AND I
WOULD LIKE TO READ A QUOTE FROM ONE OF THE CASES THAT
ADDRESSES THIS SORT OF ISSUE.
IT'S CALLED THORNBURG VERSUS CITY OF FORT WALTON BEACH.
IT'S A FLORIDA SUPREME COURT CASE FROM 1990.
I'M GOING TO LEAVE OUT THE CITATIONS IN THERE, BUT I WANT TO
READ THE STATEMENT OF THE COURT JUST TO CREATE THE CONTEXT
FOR THIS DISCUSSION.
IT SAYS, FLORIDA COURTS HAVE LONG RECOGNIZED THAT PUBLIC
OFFICIALS ARE ENTITLED TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION AT PUBLIC
EXPENSE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES AGAINST LITIGATION ARISING FROM
THE PERFORMANCE OF THEIR OFFICIAL DUTIES WHILE SERVING A
PUBLIC PURPOSE.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS COMMON-LAW RULE IS TO AVOID THE CHILLING
EFFECT THAT A DENIAL OF REPRESENTATION MIGHT HAVE ON PUBLIC
OFFICIALS IN PERFORMING THEIR DUTIES PROPERLY AND
DILIGENTLY.
THIS ENTITLEMENT TO ATTORNEYS' FEES ARISES INDEPENDENT OF

STATUTE, ORDINANCE, OR CHARTER.
FOR PUBLIC OFFICIALS TO BE ENTITLED TO REPRESENTATION AT
PUBLIC EXPENSE, THE LITIGATION MUST, ONE, ARISE OUT OF OR IN
CONNECTION WITH THE PERFORMANCE OF THEIR OFFICIAL DUTIES.
AND, TWO, SERVE A PUBLIC PURPOSE.
AND ONE OF THE CASES THAT THEY ACTUALLY CITE IS A CITY OF
TAMPA CASE, CHAVEZ VERSUS CITY OF TAMPA, THE SECOND DCA FROM
1990.
AND SOMETIME I HAD HEARD COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA TALK ABOUT
THAT CASE.
THAT BEING THE CASE, COUNCIL, MY ADVICE AFTER LOOKING AT
ORDINANCES AND POLICIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE IS THAT IT IS
MY RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU FORMALIZE THIS POLICY, THAT THIS
COUNCIL CREATE A DECLARATION OF PUBLIC POLICY THAT STATES
THAT THIS CITY ADOPTS, WHICH ULTIMATELY ILL PUT ON RECORD
AND SET FORTH THE PROCESSES FOR THIS CITY TO BE ABLE TO
PROTECT ITS ELECTED OFFICIALS NOT ONLY FOR PUBLIC RECORDS
VIOLATIONS OR ALLEGATIONS OF MISCONDUCT, BUT LITIGATION OR
ANY KIND OF PROCEEDING, AND THERE ARE INSTANCES THAT THE
JURISDICTIONS THROUGHOUT THE STATE, MUNICIPALITIES AND
COUNTIES, HAVE FORMALIZED THESE AND HAVE ADDRESSED CERTAIN
QUESTIONS THAT YOUR ORDINANCE THAT I AM VERY HAPPY TO HELP
CRAFT AND BRING BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AND CERTAINLY WORKING
WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND MS. ZELMAN AND I HAVE DISCUSSED
THIS, AND I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.

ONE OF THE THINGS, AND THE MOST IMPORTANT THING I THINK
WOULD BE A DECLARATION OF POLICY, THE CRITERIA.
AND WE CAN ALSO WORK ON THINGS LIKE THE DEFINITION, LIKE
WHAT CONSTITUTES SUBSTANTIALLY PREVAILED.
WHEN DOES IT APPLY?
NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO -- I INITIALLY HAD SOME
RESERVATIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS -- I HAD A BAR
CONFLICT WITH THIS BECAUSE OF POSITIONS THAT I HAVE BEEN IN
IN THE PAST.
BUT, FRANKLY, I HAD A REALIZATION AFTER TALKING WITH SEVERAL
LAWYERS, COUNCIL, THAT I HAVE A UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE RIGHT NOW
AFTER SEEING WHAT THIS COUNCIL HAS GONE THROUGH IN THE PAST
YEAR, AND I HAVE HAD A UNIQUE INSIGHT AND PERSPECTIVE, BOTH
BEING FAMILIAR WITH THE FACTS THAT EVOLVED TO BRING THIS
DISCUSSION FORWARD.
ALSO, THE EFFECT ON THE CITY COUNCIL, THE EFFECT ON YOUR
ABILITY TO DILIGENTLY SERVE THE PEOPLE, AND I THINK WHAT
THIS CITY COUNCIL HAS TO AVOID IS A CHILLING EFFECT THAT HAS
AN IMPACT ON YOUR ABILITY TO FULLY REPRESENT YOUR
CONSTITUENTS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THROUGH THIS
PROCESS IS WHEN DOES IT APPLY?
BECAUSE A LOT OF JURISDICTIONS DO IT IN THE FORM OF
REIMBURSEMENT.
AND TRADITIONALLY, THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS DONE IT THAT WAY,

TOO.
AND, FOR INSTANCE, IN THE CONCEPT OF ATTORNEYS' FEES FOR A
PUBLIC RECORDS LAWSUIT, ZEROING IN ON THAT PARTICULAR CASE
OF A VIOLATION OR AN ALLEGED VIOLATION OF CHAPTER 119, THE
FLORIDA STATUTES, THE ORDINANCE ADDRESSES ATTORNEYS' FEES IN
CERTAIN MATTERS.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, A RELATIVELY RECENT AMENDMENT IN 2017
ALLOWS THAT THE COURT SHALL DETERMINE WHETHER THE
COMPLAINANT PARTICIPATED IN A CIVIL ACTION FOR IMPROPER
PURPOSE.
THAT REQUIRES A COURT HEARING.
THAT REQUIRES PERHAPS DISCOVERY.
A PROCESS IS VERY COSTLY, POTENTIALLY, TO SOMEBODY WHO IS
DEFENDING THEMSELVES.
THE QUESTION THEN IS THERE ARE SOME JURISDICTIONS,
PARTICULARLY IN BROWARD COUNTY AND ELSEWHERE THROUGHOUT THE
STATE WHERE THERE IS A PROVISION THAT ALLOWS THE PERSON WHO
IS BEING A DEFENDANT, LET'S SAY BEING MADE A DEFENDANT, OR
EVEN IN AN ETHICS PROCEEDING WHO HAS A COMPLAINT FILED
AGAINST THEM.
SO THIS WOULD NOT ONLY APPLY IN LITIGATION, IT WOULD APPLY
IN ANY SORT OF PROCEEDING RELATED TO, AGAIN, THE PROCESS OF
ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE PERFORMANCE OF
OFFICIAL DUTIES AND SERVING A PUBLIC PURPOSE.
OF COURSE, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DEFINED WITHIN THE

ORDINANCE.
BUT HERE'S MY POINT.
MY POINT IS THIS.
IF IT IS CITY COUNCIL'S DESIRE TO HAVE A PROCESS WHERE
SOMEONE WHO NEEDS LEGAL SERVICES AND NEEDS LEGAL
REPRESENTATION APPLIES OR BRINGS NOTICE TO THE CITY TO ASK
TO BE REPRESENTED UP FRONT, THEN THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE A
PROCESS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK THROUGH.
THE DOWN SIDE TO THAT, IF THERE IS A DOWN SIDE TO IT IS
THIS.
AT THE END OF THE PROCESS, IF IT DOESN'T MEET THE CRITERIA
FOR ARISING OUT OF IN CONNECTION WITH THE PERFORMANCE OF THE
OFFICIAL DUTIES AND WHAT USUALLY IS THE DISPOSITIVE ISSUE OF
WHETHER THE CONDUCT SERVES A PUBLIC PURPOSE, OTHER
JURISDICTIONS HAVE IT SO THAT WITHIN THAT ORDINANCE, THE
ELECTED OFFICIAL ULTIMATELY IS LIABLE TO THE CITY TO
REIMBURSE THE CITY FOR THOSE EXPENSES AND AUTHORIZES, IF
NECESSARY, A SUIT AGAINST THE ELECTED OFFICIAL IN ORDER TO
RECOVER THAT TO WHICH UNDER THE LAW THEY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN
ENTITLED.
THE ADVANTAGE TO IT, TO SOMEBODY WHO NEEDS THAT HELP UP
FRONT IS IT DOESN'T REQUIRE AN OUTLAY OF MONEY OF THE
ELECTED OFFICIAL IN THE PROCESS OF GOING THROUGH THE
PROCEEDING, WHETHER IT'S LITIGATION OR A COMPLAINT TO BE
ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD TOWARDS A CONCLUSION THAT WOULD

ULTIMATELY SHOW THAT THEY ARE ENTITLED TO LEGAL EXPENSES TO
BE PAID TO THEM AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL BY THE CITY OF TAMPA.
SO THAT BEING SAID, WHAT I WOULD ASK YOU TO DO IS GIVE ME AN
OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK WITH SOME LANGUAGE BASED ON MY
RESEARCH WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS, WORKING WITH THE CITY
ATTORNEY, AND PUT IT IN A FORM THAT ACTUALLY IS SOMETHING
THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS SOME
DIRECTION AT THIS POINT -- EXCUSE ME, MY MOUTH IS SO DRY
LATE IN THE DAY -- WHAT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE WITH REGARD TO
THE CONCEPT OF NOTIFICATION OF THE PROCESS AT THE OUTSET
VERSUS REIMBURSEMENT, INDEMNIFICATION THROUGH REIMBURSEMENT
AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE LITIGATION OR PROCEEDINGS.
6:13:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I'LL GO TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON FIRST.
6:13:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
I'LL HAVE SOME WATER.
6:13:41PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
TO SAVE TIME I'LL QUICKLY SAY WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD DO.
NUMBER ONE, I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE SOME
KIND OF ORDINANCE FORWARD.
THAT ORDINANCE NEEDS TO -- THE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT'S COVERED
NEEDS TO BE VERY CAREFULLY PUT IN THERE.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, A YEAR AGO, SOMEONE CLAIMED THAT I WAS PART
OF A FAKE Facebook PAGE, AND IT WAS DEFAMATORY TOWARD ME
BECAUSE IN MY INDUSTRY IT IS UNETHICAL TO CREATE A FAKE
FACEBOOK PAGE.

I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
I STATED OVER AND OVER AGAIN I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
BUT STILL I SPENT JUST ON THAT MATTER FIVE TO TEN THOUSAND
DOLLARS IN LEGAL FEES AND SEARCH FEES BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO
SEARCH MY PHONE AND OTHER THINGS.
ULTIMATELY THEY DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING.
WHEN I TALKED TO MS. ZELMAN THE OTHER DAY, THE QUESTION IS,
WAS THAT BECAUSE I WAS ON CITY COUNCIL?
IT IS BECAUSE I WAS ON CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE THERE'S NO OTHER
REASON WHY ANYBODY WOULD EVER SUBPOENA ME FOR INFORMATION
RELATED TO SOMETHING I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH.
THEY LATER PROVED IT WAS SOMEONE ELSE AND THEY ARE SUING
THAT PERSON.
IT'S NOT JUST THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT GET SUED AND MIGHT NOT
JUST BE PUBLIC RECORDS, IN THAT CASE, SOMEBODY HAD A
CONSPIRACY THEORY THAT I WAS INVOLVED WITH SOME FAKE
Facebook PAGE I NEVER HEARD OF BEFORE.
SO THAT'S JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE, BUT WE NEED TO CAREFULLY
DESCRIBE HOW PEOPLE WOULD BE COVERED, AND I THINK WE OUGHT
TO PAY IN ADVANCE.
HERE'S ONE SOLUTION I WOULD THROW OUT.
I WAS APPALLED IN THE DINGFELDER CASE THAT THE CITY DID NOT
PUT UP LEGAL FEES.
I DON'T KNOW IN GUDES' CASE THEY SHOULD HAVE IF THEY DIDN'T.
AND SHAME ON THEM.

IF THEY HAVEN'T, THEY SHOULD PAY RIGHT AWAY.
THE SITUATION IS THAT 50 OR 100 THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR PEOPLE
WHO ARE MAKING $53,000 A YEAR COULD BREAK SOMEBODY EASILY.
IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA FOR THE REASONS YOU STATED TO LEAVE AN
ELECTED OFFICIAL OUT LIKE THAT.
AND SOMEBODY HAPPENS TO BE ON THE POLITICAL SIDE WHERE THEIR
OPPONENTS ARE GETTING HIT.
IT MIGHT BE FUN, BUT IF YOU ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE, IT'S NOT
FUN.
YOU NEVER KNOW WHO MIGHT HAVE THE POWER TO DO SOMETHING LIKE
THAT.
HERE'S WHAT I SUGGEST THAT I THINK -- I THINK WE NEED TO
THINK OF CREATIVE SOLUTIONS.
THE CITY IS SELF-FUNDED ON THIS LIABILITY INSURANCE, BUT FOR
THE FIRST 250,000 OR 500, I DON'T KNOW WHICH, THE FIRST
500,000 WE'RE SELF-FUNDED WHICH MEANS IT'S AT THE DISCRETION
OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.
WE NEED IN THE ORDINANCE TO DESCRIBE THAT IT'S NOT -- SO
THAT FOR POLITICAL REASONS SOMEBODY CAN'T EASILY REJECT IT.
HERE IS ANOTHER SOLUTION THAT I THINK WE NEED.
I THINK WE OUGHT TO CREATE A SELF-INSURANCE FUND.
IT COULD BE FUNDED BY THE SALARIES OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS,
BUT WE COULD GET AN INSURANCE COMPANY, JUST LIKE WE DO WITH
UNITED ON HEALTH CARE, WE COULD GET AN INSURANCE COMPANY TO
DEFINE A PLAN THAT WE WOULD CREATE OURSELVES, AND IT WOULD

HOLD -- IT WOULD EVENTUALLY HOLD A $50,000 TRUST FOR EACH
CITY COUNCIL MEMBER.
IT WOULD INCLUDE THE MAYOR, THAT AS WELL.
BUT FOR EACH CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, THAT WOULD BE $350,000.
COULD BE THAT THE CITY WOULD LOAN THAT MONEY TO THE TRUST AT
FIRST AND THEN WE COULD MAKE PAYMENTS MONTHLY FROM OUR CITY
SALARIES INTO THAT FUND.
AND IF FOLKS ARE MAINLY SURVIVING ON THE 53,000, WE COULD
GIVE A SMALL RAISE JUST TO BE ABLE TO PAY THAT INTERNAL
PREMIUM.
BUT THE IDEA IS THAT IF THE -- IF THERE COULD BE
INTERPRETINGS OF LAW WHERE WE HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST WHERE A
CITY ATTORNEY MAY SAY, OH, WELL, YOU MIGHT BE GUILTY SO
WE'RE NOT GOING TO REIMBURSE YOU.
YOU MIGHT BE GUILTY SO WE WON'T PAY YOU IN ADVANCE.
THEN SET UP A SELF-INSURANCE FUND NOT SUBJECT TO THE RULES,
THAT'S SUBJECT TO WHATEVER RULES WE SET.
SO ANYBODY WHO WOULD SEEK TO FILE A FRIVOLOUS LAWSUIT WOULD
KNOW THAT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYBE THE MAYOR, IF SHE
WANTS TO PARTICIPATE, WOULD HAVE UP TO $50,000, NO QUESTIONS
ASKED FOR ANY LEGAL FEES.
IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO THOSE OTHER LAWS BECAUSE WE'RE PAYING
FOR IT OURSELVES OUT OF OUR SELF-INSURANCE FUND.
I THINK THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME CREATIVE IDEA THIS WAY
BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO PROTECT EVERYBODY.

THERE'S NOBODY HERE, I THINK, WHO COULD AFFORD TO JUST PAY
50 OR $100,000 IN LEGAL FEES AND HOPE THE CITY WOULD DEFEND
THEM AT SOME POINT.
WE'VE GOT TO PROTECT EVERYBODY, THANK YOU.
6:18:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I COULD FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
YOU RAISE A VERY INTERESTING AND A GOOD POINT.
FIRST OF ALL, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY SELF-INSURANCE FUND OR
SELF-FUNDED IN THE ORDINANCES THAT I'VE FOUND.
FOR INSTANCE, IN THE CITY OF NAPLES, THE CITY OF NAPLES SAYS
IT IS THE POLICY OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF NAPLES,
FLORIDA, TO ESTABLISH A RISK FUND TO PAY ATTORNEYS' FEES AND
COSTS IN DEFENDING COMPLAINTS AGAINST CITY OFFICIALS.
THIS POLICY APPLIES TO PRESENT AND FORMER CITY OFFICIALS AS
HEREIN DEFINED.
IT'S PARTICULARLY WITH REGARD TO ETHICS COMPLAINTS, PROVIDED
THE ETHICS COMPLAINT WAS FILED NO EARLIER THAN ONE YEAR
PRIOR TO THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS ARTICLE RELATED TO
ACTIONS TAKEN --
6:18:45PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MARTY, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS OFF-LINE.
6:18:48PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SURE.
6:18:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MY POINT IS TO SAY ANY LONG DESCRIPTION LIKE
THAT IS SUBJECT TO INTERPRETATION.
WE'VE HAD NOT THE CITY ATTORNEY BUT OTHER CITY ATTORNEY
OPINIONS THAT SAID, OH, WELL, WE CAN'T COVER YOU OR WE WOULD
NOT BE ABLE TO COVER YOU FOR CERTAIN REASONS.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS THAT CITY COUNCIL
IS ABSOLUTELY COVERED.
IF WE HAVE OUR OWN POLICY THAT WE CREATE OURSELVES THAT
COVERS US AUTOMATICALLY AT THE 50,000, IF THERE'S 350,000 OR
400,000 SITTING IN AN ACT, IT'S TASTES DRAW FROM THAT.
WE CAN SET OUR OWN RULES.
WE WOULDN'T BE CHARGES, WHATEVER IT COSTS PER MONTH OVER
TIME TO BUILD THAT BACK.
I THINK WE COULD TALK TO ACTUARIAL PEOPLE AND SET THAT UP.
SEPARATE FROM THAT WE NEED AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD PAY THE
FEES ANYWAY.
IN CASE A CITY ATTORNEY IN THE FUTURE IS ORDERED BY A MAYOR
NOT TO REIMBURSE THOSE FEES SO THAT A CITY COUNCIL HAS TO
RESIGN THEN WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE COVERED UP TO
AT LEAST $50,000 SO THEY ARE NOT BANKRUPT JUST BY SITTING ON
A SEAT LIKE THIS.
THANK YOU.
6:19:47PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND AGAIN MY OTHER POINT THAT I WANTED TO
MAKE IS THAT HAVING THAT SORT OF POLICY POSITION CLEARLY
STATED, CLEARLY OUT THERE, LETS THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT THE
CITY HAS THE BACK OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS IN ORDER TO DO
YOUR JOB AND COULD, IN FACT, PERHAPS DISSUADE SOMEBODY FROM
FILING THAT SORT OF LAWSUIT THAT WOULD BE ULTIMATELY DEEMED
TO BE FRIVOLOUS.
6:20:11PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT SHOULD SAY THAT

WE COVER IN THE BEGINNING AND YEAH, IF WE NEED IT, IF THEY
TRY TO RECOVER AT A CERTAIN POINT, FINE.
BUT THIS CITY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS HAS STARTED WITH
THE PRESUMPTION THAT THE PEOPLE ARE GUILTY.
SOMEBODY HAS A POLITICAL ATTACK AGAINST ME AND CLAIMS THAT
I'M PART OF SOMETHING THAT I'M NOT, SUDDENLY I'M PAYING A
LOT OF MONEY TO TRY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, AND THE
CITY SAYS, OH, WE'LL REIMBURSE YOU, BUT I HAVE TO PUT OUT A
LOT OF CASH.
AND I'M TALKING TO MS. ZELMAN ABOUT GETTING REIMBURSED.
BUT I PUT OUT 15 OR $20,000, 25,000 OVER THE LAST YEAR, AND
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF IT BACK YET.
THAT'S HALF THE CITY COUNCIL PAY.
SO WE'VE GOT -- I THINK WE NEED A POLICY THAT WE SELF-FUND,
OR WHATEVER IT IS, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE 100% HAVE ACCESS TO
IT.
EVEN IF THE PERSON IS GUILTY THEY SHOULD HAVE ACCESS BECAUSE
THEY ARE PAYING INTO THAT FUND.
BUT WE SHOULD PRESUME THEY ARE NOT GUILTY AND CREATE AN
ORDINANCE THAT DEFENDS PEOPLE AND THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW
THAT THEY ARE DEFENDED.
6:21:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
6:21:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE NOTHING, SIR.
6:21:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
6:21:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M NOT IN DISAGREEMENT OR AGREEMENT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY HAS THE RIGHT TO LOAN MONEY.
NOT A POLITICAL QUESTION, BUT A QUESTION.
I CAN KNOW ONE THING, SOME YEARS BACK, I ASKED THE QUESTION
ABOUT WHY DO YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE BOND PEOPLE UP IN
WASHINGTON OR NEW YORK OR WHATEVER TO GET MONEY FROM THERE?
HOW COME YOU CAN'T GET IT FROM YOUR LOCAL TAXPAYERS.
COULD BORROW FROM THE LOCAL TAXPAYERS' MONEY.
SO I WAS TOLD THAT.
AND TO SAVE MONEY, I SAID IN TIME, INSTEAD OF GOING THERE,
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE WHO HAVE MONEY AND BORROW FROM
THEM.
COULDN'T DO IT, THEY TOLD ME.
THIS PART, I'M NOT PRIVY TO.
6:22:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WELL, THIS WOULDN'T ULTIMATELY BE A
BORROWING.
IT WOULD BE THE CITY COMMITTING TO FUND IT SUBJECT TO YOU
SUCCESSFULLY OR SUBSTANTIALLY PREVAILING.
AND FAILING TO DO THAT, THAT THEN YOU COULD BE LIABLE, NOT
YOU PERSONALLY BUT WHOEVER TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THAT WOULD
ULTIMATELY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR REIMBURSEMENT TO THE CITY.
DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING, MS. ZELMAN?
6:22:29PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR THE
RECORD IS THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DID NOT START, IN PRIOR
CASES, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, WE DIDN'T START FROM THE
ASSUMPTION THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE GUILTY.

WHAT WE DID IN EACH OF THE CASES THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE
LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WAS APPLY THE TEST THAT MARTY REFERRED
TO, WAS THE CAUSE OF ACTION, DID IT ARISE FROM THE COUNCIL
MEMBER IN THE PERFORMANCE OF HIS OFFICIAL DUTIES, AND WAS HE
ACTING WITH A PUBLIC PURPOSE?
THE NORM, THE NORM IN MOST JURISDICTIONS IN FLORIDA IS WHEN
YOU CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION DEFINITIVELY AT THE OUTSET OF
THE LITIGATION, YOU RECOMMEND THAT THE COUNCIL PERSON OR THE
BOARD MEMBER RETAIN PRIVATE COUNCIL.
AND THEN IF IT'S ULTIMATELY ESTABLISHED IN THE LITIGATION
THAT THE ACTS GIVING RISE TO THE LITIGATION AROSE FROM THEIR
PERFORMANCE OF OFFICIAL DUTIES AND THAT THEY WERE ACTING
WITH A PUBLIC PURPOSE, THEN YOU REIMBURSE.
I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR.
THAT WAS THE STANDARD WE APPLY.
IT WASN'T A PRESUMPTION OF GUILTY.
IT WAS LOOKING AT THAT THRESHOLD TEST AT THE OUTSET.
6:23:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MS. ZELMAN IS RIGHT.
MANY MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES DO USE THE PROCESS FOR
APPLYING FOR REIMBURSEMENT AFTER THE EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS.
I LOOK AT SAY, FOR INSTANCE, BROWARD COUNTY OR
FT. LAUDERDALE, FOR INSTANCE, WHAT THEY DO IS THEY ALLOW THE
COUNCIL MEMBERS TO REQUEST THE MONEY UP FRONT AND THE
JURISDICTION THEN PAYS IT SUBJECT TO, AGAIN, MEETING THE
CRITERIA THAT THE LAW REQUIRES BECAUSE EXPENDITURE,

ULTIMATELY THE EXPENDITURE OF PUBLIC FUNDS MUST BE FOR A
PUBLIC PURPOSE.
AND IF IT IS NOT FOR A PUBLIC PURPOSE, IT IS AN IMPROPER
EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS THAT MUST BE RECOUPED.
AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.
THE LAW WILL APPLY IRRESPECTIVE OF WHETHER YOU DO
REIMBURSEMENT OR DO THE MONEY UP FRONT, IT IS THE ULTIMATE
FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY THAT THE CITY HAS TO SPEND THE
TAXPAYERS' DOLLARS.
6:24:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYBODY WHO HAS NOT SPOKEN, DO YOU HAVE ANY
COMMENTS?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:24:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY ONLY COMMENT IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO NEXT.
I THINK YOU WERE ABOUT TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.
6:24:58PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, THE OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY AND WE
CAN TALK ABOUT THIS OFF-LINE.
I THINK EACH OF US COULD GIVE INPUT.
IF WE HAVE A SEPARATE FUND AND FUNDING IT THEN THOSE TWO
THINGS CAN WORK IN PARALLEL AND WE CAN WORK ON THAT.
ONE OTHER THING THAT I NEED TO MENTION, COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA
IS AN ATTORNEY.
I ASSUME THAT HE HAS ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE ON SOME OF
THE PROJECTS THAT HE WORKS ON.
I HAVE A PR FIRM THAT WORKS, PRIMARILY WORKS ON LITIGATION
MATTERS.

AND WE HAVE ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE ON THOSE LITIGATION
MATTERS.
I USE MY CITY PHONE AS INSTRUCTED AND ANYBODY ACCIDENTALLY
CALLS ME ON THE OTHER LINE, TELL THEM TO CALL ME ON MY CITY
PHONE.
BUT WE HAVE HAD MANY CASES RECENTLY WHERE THEY HAVE ASKED TO
SEARCH OUR PERSONAL PHONES AND NOT ONLY SEARCH THEM, NOT
ONLY LOOK AT MESSAGES ON THEIR PERSONAL PHONES, BUT ALSO
SEARCH THEM FOR METADATA.
THAT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE PROCESS IF YOUR PHONE IS PROTECTED
UNDER ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE.
IF YOU HANDED YOUR PHONE TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WE
WOULD GET SUED INTO OBLIVION.
HE PROBABLY WOULD LOSE HIS LAW LICENSE.
WE CAN'T DO THAT.
THERE HAS TO BE AN UNDERSTANDING IN THESE RULES ALSO THAT
THERE ARE CERTAIN GUIDELINES AND RULES THAT AFFECT PEOPLE
ASKING ABOUT PERSONAL ITEMS AND PERSONAL -- I PROVIDED ALL
THE INFORMATION.
I PAID UP FRONT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO HAVE MY PHONE
SEARCHED TO PROVIDE THEM EVERYTHING THEY WANTED IN A TIMELY
WAY.
BUT STILL I'M SITTING OUT THAT, AND SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE
THAT THAT'S COVERED IN THE THING.
6:26:40PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
CAN I SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE THE QUESTION

COMES UP TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
EVEN CAME UP FROM ONE OF MY ATTORNEYS IN MY OFFICE
YESTERDAY.
THERE'S NO LAW THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T CONDUCT CITY BUSINESS ON
A PRIVATE CELL PHONE.
HOWEVER -- HOWEVER, IT'S BAD PRACTICE FOR THE FOLLOWING
REASON: IF YOU ARE CONDUCTING PRIVATE CITY BUSINESS ON A
PRIVATE CELL PHONE OR ON A PRIVATE E-MAIL, THAT IS A PUBLIC
RECORD BECAUSE YOU ARE CONDUCTING CITY BUSINESS.
UNDER THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT, THE CITY HAS THE OBLIGATION TO
MAKE A GOOD-FAITH EFFORT TO OBTAIN THOSE RECORDS -- WELL,
FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER, THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT
ISN'T ONLY ABOUT PRODUCING RECORDS.
IT ALSO REQUIRES YOU TO MAINTAIN THE PUBLIC RECORDS.
WHICH, AGAIN, IF YOU'RE DOING THINGS ON A PRIVATE PHONE OR A
PRIVATE E-MAIL, THAT MAKES IT THAT MUCH HARDER.
THE CITY HAS THE OBLIGATION UNDER THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT TO
MAKE A GOOD-FAITH EFFORT TO GET ANY PUBLIC RECORD FROM
EMPLOYEES AND OFFICIALS OF THE CITY AND PRODUCE THEM UPON
REQUEST.
IN A PARTICULAR CASE, IF YOU, IF THE CITY WERE TO SAY TO
YOU, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED ALL YOUR PRIVATE TEXT
MESSAGES ABOUT THE FOLLOWING SUBJECT, WHERE YOU WERE
CONDUCTING CITY BUSINESS ON YOUR PHONE, IF YOU DID YOUR OWN
SEARCH AND PROVIDED AN AFFIDAVIT SAYING I'VE DONE MY OWN

SEARCH.
THIS IS ALL I CAN FIND.
I SWEAR THIS IS ALL I HAVE.
AT SOME POINT WE CAN ONLY GO SO FAR, WE THE CITY IN TRYING
TO GET YOUR PRIVATE RECORDS.
THE PROCESS OF MAKING T & I AVAILABLE TO SEARCH YOUR PHONE
WAS DONE TO ACCOMMODATE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHEN WE WERE
GETTING ALL THOSE REQUESTS.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE BEST PRACTICE -- AND WE'RE ALL IN
THE SAME SITUATION.
I'VE HAD THE SAME CELL PHONE NUMBER SINCE THEY INVENTED CELL
PHONES, AND PEOPLE STILL TEXT ME AND E-MAIL ME.
IF THEY START TALKING ABOUT CITY BUSINESS, I FORWARD THE
TEXT OR WHATEVER TO MY CITY PHONE.
I ASK THEM TO DO IT ON MY CITY PHONE, WHATEVER.
JUST BEST PRACTICE IS NOT TO DO IT ON YOUR PRIVATE PHONE SO
THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THESE PROBLEMS DOWN THE ROAD.
BUT THE CITY HAS AN OBLIGATION, IF YOU'RE CUTTING CITY
BUSINESS ON THOSE PRIVATE THINGS, WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION --
YOU HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO MAINTAIN THOSE RECORDS AS THE
CREATOR OF THEM, AND WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO PRODUCE THEM
WHEN ASKED.
SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO WORK WITH YOU TO FIND A WAY TO GET
THOSE PUBLIC RECORDS TO THE REQUESTER.
6:29:33PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO

ASK CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY TO RETURN TO US ON MARCH 2nd
WITH A PROPOSED ORDINANCE.
6:29:44PM >> SECOND.
6:29:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
6:29:57PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
[INAUDIBLE]
6:30:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, I WOULD SAY AN ORDINANCE -- SORRY,
YOU'RE RIGHT.
AN ORDINANCE AND ANY RECOMMENDATION ON THE I'LL CALL IT
PRIVATE INSURANCE, PRIVATE LIABILITY INSURANCE THAT I TALKED
ABOUT.
6:30:15PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE GOAL BEING THAT SOMEONE IN NEED OF
LEGAL EXPENSES WOULD NOT HAVE TO WAIT AND FRONT THE MONEY
AND THEN ASKED TO BE REIMBURSED BUT HAVE ACCESS TO THAT
MONEY AT THE OUTSET.
6:30:28PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT OFF-LINE.
6:30:30PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO, IF THAT'S THE CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL.
6:30:34PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU MAY HAVE A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO AT THE
END OF THE DAY STILL DOESN'T HAVE THE MONEY, IF HE LOSES TO
PAY THE ATTORNEY.
IN THAT CASE, THAT INSURANCE WILL KICK IN AND PAY FOR THAT
REIMBURSEMENT.

IT'S A TWO-WAY STREET.
6:30:50PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS WOULD BE A SEPARATE -- I'LL TALK TO YOU
ABOUT IT OFF-LINE.
JUST IN CONCEPT GET YOU TO COME BACK AND REPORT ON IT.
6:30:57PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
UNDERSTOOD.
6:31:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION?
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
6:31:10PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
6:31:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ARE YOU GOING TO STAY THERE FOR AGENDA ITEM
NUMBER 17?
6:31:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SIR, YOU'VE BEEN PRESENTED WITH A
RESOLUTION PER YOUR MOTION.
IT HAS BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO COUNCIL.
I WOULD ASK MR. CHAIRMAN, IT IS YOUR RESOLUTION.
IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WISH TO ADDRESS WITH CITY COUNCIL?
6:31:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
I HOPE THAT YOU WILL VOTE FOR THIS RESOLUTION.
IT IS IN SUPPORT OF TAMPA BAY REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION
TO SUPPORT CLEAN ENERGY.
6:31:39PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
6:31:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AND A CLEAN WAY OF LIVING AND RESILIENCY IN
TAMPA BAY.

6:31:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM CHAIRMAN CITRO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
6:31:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
6:31:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
AGENDA ITEM 18 WAS CONTINUED TO FEBRUARY 23rd.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
6:32:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WE STILL HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE
SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA.
6:32:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY.
6:32:20PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I MOVE ITEMS 19 THROUGH 22.
6:32:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA, SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OBJECTIONS?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU HAVE PARKS AND RECREATION.
6:32:31PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEMS 23 THROUGH 26.
6:32:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU'VE GOT PUBLIC WORKS.
6:32:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, I MOVE -- SINCE 27 AND 28 HAVE ALREADY
BEEN MOVED I MOVE ITEMS 29 THROUGH 36.
6:32:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU HAVE BUILDING AND ZONING.
OKAY.
THEN COUNCILMAN, VIERA, VICE-CHAIR.
6:33:07PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOVE ITEMS 38 THROUGH 44.
6:33:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR? COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, TRANSPORTATION.
6:33:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I MOVE ITEMS A 45 THROUGH 49.
6:33:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
6:33:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WOULD LIKE TO SET ITEMS 50 AND 51 FOR
THEIR RESPECTIVE PUBLIC HEARING DATES.
MARCH 2, 2023 AT 1:30 P.M.
SECOND IS FEBRUARY 23, 2023, AT 5:01 P.M.
6:33:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.

ALL IN FAVOR?
I BELIEVE THAT TAKES US TO AGENDA ITEM 56.
6:34:06PM >> SUBMITTING A SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE.
ITEM 56.
MR. WIGGINTON, WOULD YOU BE SO GOOD TO EXPLAIN --
6:34:16PM >>RON WIGGINTON:
YES.
RON WIGGINTON, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS JUST HANDED OUT IS A SUBSTITUTE
ORDINANCE.
I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT GETTING THIS OUT TO YOU EARLIER.
WE HAVE BEEN DILIGENTLY WORKING ON REACHING AN AGREEMENT
WITH REGARDS TO EASEMENT LANGUAGE.
FOR INSTANCE, JUST YESTERDAY I FOUND OUT THAT TECO DID NOT
REQUIRE AN EASEMENT, AND THEN THIS AFTERNOON, I JUST FOUND
OUT THAT THEY DO REQUIRE A PARTIAL EASEMENT.
SO THIS IS STILL NOT COMPLETE.
I EXPECT TO MODIFY OR AMEND IT BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND
READING.
FOR NOW, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS NEW ORDINANCE AND THE
ORIGINAL THAT WAS FILED, BASICALLY WHAT WE DID IS WE ADDED A
WATER EASEMENT.
WE DID REMOVE THE TECO EASEMENT.
BUT WE NEED TO REINSERT THAT BACK.
WE MODIFIED THE TRANSPORTATION LANGUAGE.

NOW THAT PROVIDERS PEDESTRIAN, BICYCLE, AND SMART MOBILITY.
IT ALSO PROVIDES FOR VEHICULAR TRAFFIC WITH REGARDS TO
EMERGENCY RESPONDERS AND SOLID WASTE VEHICLES.
AND IT ALSO PROVIDES FOR A TEMPORARY GENERAL VEHICULAR
TRANSPORTATION EASEMENT.
UPON MOBILITY DETERMINATION IT'S NEEDED FOR REROUTING
TRAFFIC IN THE AREA.
ALSO, IT PROVIDES FOR ONCE THE AREA AROUND IT, ADJOINING THE
VACATED AREAS GET DEVELOPED, THEN THERE WILL BE A TRAFFIC
STUDY THAT WILL DETERMINE WHETHER THERE ARE ADDITIONAL
EASEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED FOR GENERAL PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
SO WITH THAT, UNLESS THE COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I WOULD
LIKE TO OPEN THE FLOOR TO MR. ROSS SALMONS TO GIVE HIS
PRESENTATION.
6:35:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
6:36:02PM >>ROSS SAMONS:
ROSS SAMONS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
VAC-23-02.
THE APPLICANT IS RIVERSIDE HEIGHTS HOLDINGS II, LLC.
THE REPRESENTATIVE'S NAME IS ADAM HARDEN.
PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 1909 MARKET STREET.
PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST IS TO VACATE PORTIONS OF MARKET
STREET AND 7th AVENUE LYING NORTH OF HILLSBOROUGH RIVER,
SOUTH OF OAK AVENUE, EAST OF SANDRA HEIGHTS LANE AND WEST OF
OLA AVENUE.
APPLICATION WAS FILED OCTOBER 24th, 2022.

APPLICANT OWNS PROPERTY NORTH SIDE AND TO THE EAST AND WEST
SIDE OF MARKET STREET, NORTH SIDE OF 7th AVENUE.
I'M SORRY.
THE REASON FOR THE APPLICATION IS TO CHANGE ONE BLOCK OF
MARKET STREET AND ONE BLOCK OF 7th AVENUE INTO
PEDESTRIAN-ONLY PRIVATELY MAINTAINED STREET SEGMENTS.
THE EXISTING STREETS ARE APPROXIMATELY 52,098 SQUARE FEET TO
APPROXIMATELY 1.196 ACRES.
AND THESE STREETS WERE CREATED BY SUBDIVISION PLAT.
AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPOSED VACATING.
HERE IS 7th AND MARKET STREET HERE.
AND THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY OBVIOUSLY THE SUBDIVISION
THERE.
AGAIN, THE STREET, 7th FROM SANDRA HEIGHTS TO THIS
PRIVATELY OWNED SEGMENT OF 7th AVENUE AND FROM OAK DOWN TO
7th ON MARKET STREET.
A QUICK VIEW OF THE PLAT, THAT DEDICATED THE STREET.
7th AVENUE FROM SANDRA HEIGHTS TO THE PRIVATELY OWNED
SEGMENT, AND THEN MARKET STREET SEGMENT FROM OAK TO 7th.
A MORE CLEAR VIEW OF THE SURVEY PROVIDED OF THE PORTION TO
BE VACATED.
HILLSBOROUGH RIVER HERE.
HERE IS AN IMAGE OF 7th AVENUE LOOKING EAST ON 7th
AVENUE.
THIS IS LOOKING WEST ON 7th AVENUE.

THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH ON MARKET STREET FROM OAK AVENUE.
AGAIN, THE INTERSECTION OF 7th AVENUE IS HERE AND ON THE
EAST SIDE IS ARMATURE WORKS.
STAFF HAS NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS VACATING REQUEST.
EASEMENT RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED BY SOLID WASTE,
STORMWATER, TRANSPORTATION, AND TECO.
NATURAL RESOURCES AND COMPLY WITH CHAPTER 27 WITH REGARD TO
TREE PRESERVATION AND SITE DESIGN FOR ANY IMPROVEMENTS
PLACED ADJACENT TO TREES IN VACATED AREAS.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
6:39:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
PETITIONER?
6:39:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. HARDEN SPECIFICALLY ASKED THAT WE
WAIT UNTIL THE LAST ITEM TONIGHT BECAUSE HE WANTED TO HANG
WITH US ALL DAY.
6:39:24PM >> I DID, I DID.
I LOOKED AT THE AGENDA YESTERDAY AND I WAS JUST HAPPY I
WASN'T BEHIND STEVE MICHELINI.
SO I GOT UP AND READ THE NEWSPAPER.
IF I COULD SHARE THAT WITH YOU --
6:39:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU SAID YOU READ THE NEWSPAPER.
6:39:48PM >> OH.
6:39:49PM >> SO REWINDING A LITTLE BIT, I'LL GIVE A REALLY QUICK
PRESENTATION.

AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, 2015 WE STARTED PERMITTING RENOVATION
OF THE HISTORIC BUILDING WE ALL KNEW AS ARMATURE WORKS
FACTORY INTO A NEW MIXED-USE FACILITY RENOVATION OF THE
THREE BROWNFIELDS THAT MADE UP THE LARGE VACANT FIELD TO THE
WEST OF THE BUILDING.
THE ARMATURE WORKS BROWNFIELD THE RIVERFRONT PARTNERS
BROWNFIELD AND -- BROWNFIELD.
TWO OF THOSE HAVE BEEN PERMANENTLY CLOSED.
ARMATURE IS CAPPED AND PARTIALLY CLOSED WITH MONITORING
UNTIL WE REACH THE PRESCRIBED LEVELS.
WE'RE GETTING REALLY CLOSE.
WE'RE DOWN TO ONE WELL.
SO IT'S REALLY GOOD NEWS.
SO FAST-FORWARD NOVEMBER OF 2017, WE MANAGED TO GET THE
BUILDING HALF OPEN FOR A LARGE 2,000 PERSON EVENT, A
COMBINED PARTY JANUARY THE 30th ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO
TODAY, WE FORMALLY OPENED THE MARKET HALL.
THE FACILITY -- AND I'VE PASSED OUT TO YOU A SYNOPSIS OF THE
PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT EVENTS THAT WE COMMITTED TO AS PART OF I
THINK THE SPIRIT OF THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE
WITH THE CITY TO ACTIVATE THIS PLACE AND REALLY BUILD A
HEART AND SOUL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE COULD USE TO
ATTRACT NEW JOBS HERE.
THE ARMATURE WORKS TODAY, I ASKED FOR THE STATISTICS FROM
OUR QUARTERLY REPORT THAT WE PROVIDE FOR THE NEW MARKET TAX

CREDIT INDICATOR.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE 340 FULL-TIME JOB EQUIVALENTS THAT ARE
SUSTAINED WITHIN THE FACILITY.
AGAIN, IT'S HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL, BUT IT'S PURPOSE IS REALLY TO
SEE THE DEVELOPMENT AND ATTRACT THE JOBS THAT WE PROMISED,
THE GROCERY STORE THAT WE TOLD THE NEIGHBORS WE WOULD GET
AND THOSE THINGS.
OF COURSE, WE'RE PROUD TO REPORT THAT THE PHASE ONE OF OUR
OFFICE IS OCCUPIED BY PFIZER WORLD SUPPORT CENTER OR AXOGEN
BIOMEDICAL TISSUE COMPANY OR TRADED ON THE NASDAQ.
PFIZER FORTUNE 50 PHARMA.
AMWINS INSURANCE.
A LAW FIRM OUT OF NEW YORK AND OTHER REALLY GOOD TENANTS.
NEW, HIGH-PAYING JOBS TO TAMPA THAT I THINK SUPPORT THE IDEA
THAT WE'VE MOVED BEYOND THIS CONSTANT DESIRE TO BE AMERICA'S
NEXT GREAT CITY AND JUST BE HAPPY THAT WE'RE TAMPA.
WHEN I DID THE ORIGINAL BUSINESS PLAN FOR ARMATURE WORKS, I
THINK WE WERE REALLY HOPING THAT WE WOULD AVERAGE 800 TO
1,000 VISITORS A DAY.
I HAVE TO REPORT THAT THAT'S CLOSER TO 4,000.
WHAT I PASSED OUT TO YOU IS A SUMMARY OF THE COMMUNITY
ENGAGEMENT EVENTS THAT WE FUND AS PART OF THE ARMATURE WORKS
PROGRAM, SO THESE ARE IN ADDITION TO THE PAYING PRIVATE
EVENTS.
BUT THESE ARE, IF YOU GO BY, YOU'LL SEE THE CAR SHOW AND

THESE THINGS.
SO I THINK AS THE PLACE MATURES, WHAT WE'VE DETERMINED IS
THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE BETTER TO HAVE THESE TWO SEGMENTS OF
STREET AS PUBLIC SPACE.
THE RESERVATION OF EASEMENT STILL MEETS THE CITY CHAPTER 220
DEFINITION OF A RIGHT-OF-WAY, BUT WE'RE BASICALLY VACATING
THE FEES THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO CONTROL IT FOR THE PURPOSE
OF MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY, SECURITY, AND OPERATION AND
OUTDOOR SPECIAL EVENTS.
WE REALLY SEE THE 7th SEGMENT AS BEING A 50-FOOT EXPANSION
OF THE RIVERWALK AREA.
WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE WALK-ON ORDINANCE THAT'S BEEN
PRESENTED TODAY, AND WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT BETWEEN NOW AND
SECOND READING THAT THERE WILL BE SOME LANGUAGE ADDED TO
GIVE TECO A PARTIAL EASEMENT OVER THE STREET LIGHTING SYSTEM
THAT WE'VE INSTALLED.
WITH THAT, I KNOW IT'S LATE.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
6:44:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR ANY QUESTIONS?
ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE OR IN CHAMBERS THAT WANT TO SPEAK TO
THIS?
6:44:26PM >> WE HAD A MEETING IN MID DECEMBER WITH BOTH NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE SENT OUT CERTIFIED LETTERS EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT A
REQUIREMENT OF THE PROCESS AND MET WITH RIDGEWOOD AND TAMPA
HEIGHTS CIVIC ASSOCIATION.

ABOUT 40 PEOPLE ATTENDED THE MEETING.
WE HELD IT AT ARMATURE WORKS AND DISCUSSED IT AND OTHER
TOPICS.
6:44:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ONLINE?
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
6:44:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE A SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE HERE
WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING, CLOSING,
DISCONTINUING AND ABANDONING A PORTION OF 7th AVENUE
RIGHT-OF-WAY AND A PORTION OF MARKET STREET RIGHT-OF-WAY
LOCATED NORTH OF HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, SOUTH OF PALM AVENUE,
EAST OF SANDRA HEIGHTS LANE AND WEST OF OLA AVENUE, ALL
WITHIN THE PLAT OF THE HEIGHTS OF TAMPA SUBDIVISION, IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA, AS MORE FULLY
DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 HEREOF, SUBJECT TO THE RESERVATION OF
CERTAIN EASEMENTS AND THE IMPOSITION OF CERTAIN COVENANTS,
CONDITIONS, AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY HEREIN.
PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT OF PENALTY FOR VIOLATIONS AND
PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS, AND REPEALING
CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
6:45:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

-- COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
ROLL CALL VOTE.
6:45:46PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
6:45:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
6:45:48PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
6:45:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
6:45:50PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
6:45:52PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
6:45:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
6:45:54PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON FEBRUARY 16th,
2023, AT 9:30 A.M.
6:46:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
6:46:05PM >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
AGENDA ITEM 58, FILE NUMBER VAC-22-25.
6:46:14PM >>ROSS SAMONS:
ROSS SAMONS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION,
PRESENTING VAC-22-25.
THIS IS A CITY-INITIATED VACATING PROPOSAL.
AND THE PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 5001 NORTH 34th STREET.
THIS IS TO VACATE A PORTION OF ELLICOTT STREET LYING NORTH
OF LOUISIANA AVENUE, SOUTH OF CARACAS STREET, EAST OF 34th
STREET AND WEST OF 36th STREET.
THIS APPLICATION WAS FILED ON AUGUST 11, 2022.

CITY OWNS PROPERTY ON NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE OF ELLICOTT
STREET THAT IS PROPOSED TO BE VACATED.
THIS IS FOR PARK IMPROVEMENTS AND EXTENSION OF THE EAST
TAMPA RECREATION COMPLEX.
THIS STREET WAS CREATED BY SUBDIVISION PLAT AND CITY OF
TAMPA RIGHT-OF-WAY ACQUISITION.
THIS IS LOCATED WITHIN THE EAST TAMPA OVERLAY DISTRICT.
AND THE EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY IS APPROXIMATELY 10,650 SQUARE
FEET.
AERIAL VIEW OF ELLICOTT STREET, THE PROPOSED VACATING IN
YELLOW, CITY OWNED PROPERTY IN RED.
THIS IS THE CITY OF TAMPA ATLAS STREET SHOWING THE PORTION
OF ELLICOTT STREET BE VACATED.
PROPOSED TO BE VACATED.
AND CITY-OWNED PROPERTY IN GRAY, AND THIS IS, AGAIN, THE
PARK, AND TO SHOW EXACTLY WHAT WENT ON IN THE PAST AS FAR AS
ACQUISITION, CITY ACQUISITION FOR PROPERTY FOR THE PARK
ITSELF AND ALSO PREVIOUS RIGHT-OF-WAY VACATING.
THIS IS A PORTION OF THE PLAT THAT VACATED THE ELLICOTT
STREET BEFORE IT WAS -- AVENUE.
THE OTHER IS UNPLATTED AND WAS PURCHASED BY THE CITY.
THIS IS LOOKING EAST FROM THE INTERSECTION OF NORTH 34th
STREET AND ELLICOTT STREET.
AND THIS IS LOOKING WEST FROM ELLICOTT STREET FROM THE
PORTIONS OF WHICH THE CITY OWNS THE SOUTH SIDE AND NORTH

SIDE.
OBVIOUSLY, STAFF HAD NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS VACATING REQUEST.
IF THE VACATING IS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, EASEMENT
RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR WASTEWATER, STORMWATER, WATER,
TECO, FRONTIER, AND SPECTRUM.
NATURAL RESOURCES MUST COMPLY WITH CHAPTER 27 IN REGARD TO
TREE PRESERVATION AND SITE DESIGN FOR ANY IMPROVEMENTS
PLACED ADJACENT TO ANY TREES IN A VACATED AREA.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
6:49:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SAMONS?
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS?
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ONLINE?
6:49:16PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
6:49:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OBJECTIONS?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMAN GUDES, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE THIS ONE?
6:49:29PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
VAC-22-25, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
CONSIDERATION.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING,
CLOSING, DISCONTINUING, AND ABANDONING THAT PORTION OF

ELLICOTT STREET RIGHT-OF-WAY LOCATED NORTH OF LOUISIANA
AVENUE, SOUTH OF CARACAS STREET, EAST OF 34th STREET AND
WEST OF 36th STREET WITHIN THE PLAT OF PRINCE'S
SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN
SECTION 2 HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS, CONDITIONS
AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN;
PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS,
PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS AND REPEALING
CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
6:50:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
ROLL CALL VOTE.
6:50:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
6:50:16PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
6:50:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
6:50:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
6:50:21PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
6:50:22PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
6:50:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
6:50:24PM >>THE CLERK:
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON FEBRUARY 16,
2023, AT 9:30 A.M.
6:50:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE HAVE A MS. CARRIE COSTANTINACO WITH US.
SHE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT.
6:50:55PM >> GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
6:50:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE SPEAK UP AND GIVE US YOUR NAME.
6:51:01PM >> IS THERE A MICROPHONE SOMEWHERE?
6:51:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, BUT CAN YOU PLEASE SPEAK UP?
6:51:06PM >> FIRST TIME, SORRY.
6:51:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT'S OKAY.
TAKE YOUR TIME.
6:51:10PM >> GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
MY NAME IS CARRIE COSTANTINACO.
I USED TO RESIDE ON DAVIS ISLANDS BEFORE THE PANDEMIC THAT
FLIPPED OUR LIVES UPSIDE DOWN.
I ALSO USED TO WORK FOR DAVID STRAZ FOR MAYOR.
SO I'M SURE THAT YOU RECOGNIZE ME.
BUT I LOOK A LITTLE OLDER NOW.
I ALSO USED TO VOLUNTEER FOR CLEANUP KENNEDY.
I'M SURE THAT YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE NAME JOSEPH MANSON.
HE SPEARHEADED AWARENESS REGARDING THIS ISSUE OF ILLICIT
MASSAGE PARLORS ALONG KENNEDY BOULEVARD HERE IN TAMPA, THE
CITY WE ALL LOVE, THE CITY THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE THE NEXT
GREAT CITY IN AMERICA.
I BELIEVE I'M HERE TO PRESENT WITH ALL OF YOU THE SOLUTION,
IF YOU CAN SHUT DOWN ALL OF THESE ILLICIT MASSAGE PARLORS
FOR GOOD, EVEN JUST OUT OF RESPECT FOR JOHN F. KENNEDY, OUR

PREVIOUS PRESIDENT.
I'VE ALREADY TRIED TO CONTACT MAYOR JANE CASTOR SEVERAL
TIMES.
SHE WILL NOT RETURN MY PHONE CALLS.
AND I HAVE A VERY UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE AS TO WHY I WOULD LIKE
TO SEE ALL OF THIS SHUT DOWN FOR GOOD.
I'VE NEVER HAD THE OPPORTUNITY OF GETTING MARRIED YET,
STARTING A FAMILY YET, AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO RAISE MY
FAMILY IN A CITY WHERE CHILDREN ARE SOLD FOR SEX.
I DON'T WANT TO BE SOLD FOR SEX.
THIS CITY HAS BEEN A RED LIGHT DISTRICT LONG ENOUGH AND MY
HEART CRY TODAY IS PLEASE, GOD, HAVE MERCY ON THIS CITY AND
ON THIS CITY COUNCIL FOR NOT SHUTTING DOWN THESE ILLICIT
MASSAGE PARLORS ALONG KENNEDY BOULEVARD AND HOW ABOUT THE
STRIP CLUBS ALONG DALE MABRY WHO SERVED OUR NATION.
DALE MABRY HIGHWAY.
YOU'RE FAMILIAR.
IT HAS TWO VERY LARGE STRIP CLUBS, ONE ON THE LEFT, 2001
ODYSSEY, ONE ON THE RIGHT, MONS VENUS, NOT MY PROFESSION.
I'LL TELL YOU WHO MY HERO IS.
GOVERNOR RON DESANTIS AND HIS WIFE, FIRST LADY CASEY
DESANTIS.
IS MY TIME UP?
6:53:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU'VE GOT 30 SECONDS MORE.
6:53:59PM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN TO MY

CONCERNS.
I WANTED TO APPLAUD GOVERNOR DESANTIS AND FIRST LADY CASEY
DESANTIS BECAUSE THEY LISTENED TO MY E-MAIL AND MY REQUEST
TO SHUT DOWN THE STRIP CLUBS 2001 AND MONS VENUS ON DALE
MABRY HIGHWAY DURING THE PANDEMIC FOR 30 DAYS.
GREAT.
I'M GRATEFUL FOR THAT, BUT I'D RATHER SEE THEM CLOSED
PERMANENTLY.
SORRY IF I WENT OVER MY TIME.
SO YOU TALKED ABOUT MULTIPLE WAYS OF CONTROLLING SOMETHING,
WHETHER IT BE LEGAL PENALTIES, ORDINANCES, ALL OF THESE
THINGS, AND I BELIEVE YOU CAN JUST LOOK UP ALL THE RECORDS
FROM JOSEPH MANSON, ALL OF THE ILLICIT MASSAGE PARLORS THAT
HE ALREADY REPORTED TO YOU OR NEWS CHANNEL'S 8 REPORT ON ALL
THAT.
I'M NOT A PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR.
I'M JUST A CONCERNED CITIZEN BECAUSE I LOVE THIS CITY.
I WANT TO SEE IT CLEANED UP.
AND IF WE CAN CLEAN UP TAMPA, WE CAN CLEAN UP ORLANDO.
WE CAN CLEAN UP MIAMI.
WE CAN CLEAN UP JACKSONVILLE.
WE CAN CLEAN UP TALLAHASSEE.
WE CAN CLEAN UP THE WHOLE STATE OF FLORIDA AND THEN WE CAN
CLEAN UP OUR COUNTRY.
6:55:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

6:55:19PM >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
6:55:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT.
INFORMATION AND REPORTS.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
6:55:28PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
COMMENDATION FOR SPRINGER WHO IS RETIRING
FROM THE TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY AFTER BEING THERE 32 YEARS
AT A FUTURE DATE.
I WANT TO BRING IT UP THAT WE'LL GET ALL THE INFORMATION
BEFORE WE BRING HER IN.
VERY NICE LADY.
SHE'S BEEN THERE 32 YEARS.
THE TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY HELPING PEOPLE.
6:55:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK?
6:56:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A REQUEST FROM THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THE FOLLOWING REPORT FROM
THE WORKSHOP ON JANUARY 26th, 2023, TO FEBRUARY 2nd,
2023, AT 9 A.M. UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
THE ADMINISTRATION TO PROVIDE A QUARTERLY BUDGET AROUND THE
HOUSING BUCKETS OR QUARTERLY REPORT AROUND THE HOUSING
BUCKETS FROM HOMELESS SERVICES, RENTAL ASSISTANCE, HOME

OWNERSHIP AND ACQUISITION AND REHAB THAT INCLUDES COLUMNS
FOR FUNDS ALLOCATED, EXPENDED, ENCUMBERED AND AVAILABLE.
THIS IS A RECURRING MEETING OR A RECURRING ITEM, BUT THEY'VE
ASKED ME TO MOVE IT ANOTHER WEEK BECAUSE EVERYONE IS GOING
TO BE OUT FOR SOME SORT OF WORKSHOP.
6:56:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
6:56:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE LEGAL
DEPARTMENT DRAFT AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE CODE OF
ORDINANCES SECTION 18-86H TO PROVIDE FOR THE CITIZENS REVIEW
BOARD TO SELECT LEGAL COUNSEL WHO IS NOT A CITY EMPLOYEE TO
ADVISE THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD WITH THE FUNDING PROVIDED
BY THE CITY.
6:57:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
MR. SHELBY.
6:57:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND DID YOU WANT TO GIVE THEM A CERTAIN
AMOUNT OF TIME TO COME BACK?
6:57:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OH.
I'M VERY SORRY.
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
ACTUALLY, I'M GOING TO HAVE IT COME BACK FEBRUARY 2nd.
6:57:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE ENOUGH TIME.

6:57:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF IT'S NOT ENOUGH TIME, THEY'LL LET ME KNOW.
6:57:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ANY COMMENTS?
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
6:57:56PM >> NAY.
6:57:57PM >> NAY.
6:58:01PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH MANISCALCO AND MIRANDA
VOTING NO.
6:58:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
MOTION REVIEWING THE ONE-YEAR RESIDENCY WAIVER FOR
DEPARTMENT HEADS TO INCLUDE A LIST OF WHO IS CURRENTLY ON
THE WAIVER LIST, A DEFINITION OF A DEPARTMENT HEAD VERSUS A
MANAGER, AND PLEASE INCLUDE DATA REGARDING HOW OFTEN THIS
HAS BEEN USED IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS TO COME BACK FEBRUARY
23rd, 2023, WITH THE SAFETY IMPROVEMENT.
6:58:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
6:58:36PM >> AYE.
6:58:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FINALLY, A MOTION TO HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT
AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN TFR AND LOCAL HOSPITALS REGARDING WAIT
TIMES, COME BACK TO COUNCIL ON FEBRUARY 23rd, 2023 ALONG
WITH THAT SAFETY REPORT.

6:58:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
6:58:52PM >> AYE.
6:58:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S IT.
6:58:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
6:58:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PRESENT A COMMENDATION ON
FEBRUARY 7th.
THAT'S OUR PRESENTATION SESSION, TO 13 UGLY MEN.
THAT IS THE NAME OF THE ORGANIZATION.
AND THE REASON IS THAT THEY HAVE CONTRIBUTED THROUGH A
VARIETY OF EVENTS, A VARIETY OF CHARITABLE FUND-RAISERS $3
MILLION, GIVE OR TAKE, TO THE COMMUNITY.
IF YOU GO TO TAMPA GENERAL HOSPITAL, THERE'S LIKE A
CHILDREN'S PARK PLAYGROUND.
THEY HELPED RAISE THE MONEY FOR THAT.
I CAN GO ON AND ON AND ON.
I SEE WHAT THEY DO IN THE COMMUNITY.
VERY GOOD CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION.
DON'T LET THE NAME FOOL YOU.
BUT I'D LIKE TO PRESENT THEM WITH A COMMENDATION ON FEBRUARY
7 AT OUR PRESENTATION SESSION.
6:59:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
6:59:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT'S IT.
THANK YOU, SIR.
6:59:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
6:59:52PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I HAVE A FAVOR TO ASK.
I HAD CONOR DURKIN, WHO YOU ALL REMEMBER, WAS ASSISTING IN
MY OFFICE FOR TWO YEARS.
SUCH A GREAT GUY.
FEBRUARY 7, I THINK IT WAS, OUR COMMENDATION SESSION, I WAS
GOING TO HAVE HIM COME.
UNFORTUNATELY, I HAVE A CONFLICT THAT DAY SO I CAN'T.
IS THERE ANY WAY, BECAUSE I KNOW WE USUALLY DON'T HAVE
COMMENDATIONS, THIS WILL TAKE FIVE MINUTES AND MEAN SO MUCH
TO CONOR AND HIS FAMILY TO HAVE IT ON FEBRUARY 16th.
IF SO, WE CAN MOVE IT TO THE NEXT ONE.
BUT I JUST ASK THAT, BECAUSE HE ALREADY LEFT US TWO MONTHS
AGO AND DON'T WANT TO PUSH IT BACK.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCIL.
7:00:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION --
7:00:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE A COMMENDATION THAT WAS GOING TO BE
FEBRUARY 7 TO FEBRUARY 16 WHICH WE WOULDN'T NORMALLY TAKE --
7:00:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.

ALL IN FAVOR?
7:00:50PM >>LUIS VIERA:
VERY BRIEFLY, IF I MAY.
I WAS TALKING WITH THE OFFICE OF CONGRESS WOMAN KATHY CASTOR
ON AN INITIATIVE HAPPENING.
THIS IS A MOTION TO HAVE STAFF REPORT BACK TO US ON FEBRUARY
16th ON APPLICATION FOR A PROGRAM THAT THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT IS DOING THAT CAN ACTUALLY EASE THE BURDEN HERE
IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
LONG STORY SHORT, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS EXPANDING THE
PAROLE PROCESS FROM VENEZUELANS TO NICARAGUANS, HAITIANS AND
CUBANS, THAT IS THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION ANNOUNCED UP TO
30,000 PEOPLE FROM THIS COUNTRY WHO HAVE AN ELIGIBLE SPONSOR
AND PASSED VIGOROUS VETTING AND BACKGROUND CHECKS, CAN COME
TO THE UNITED STATES FOR TWO YEARS AND RECEIVE WORK
AUTHORIZATION AND ALSO EXPANDING LATIN AMERICAN REFUGEES.
OF COURSE, THOSE WHO CROSS THE BORDER ILLEGALLY ARE
PRECLUDED FROM THIS AND ALWAYS A VETTING PROCESS, ET CETERA,
ET CETERA.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS AUTHORIZING $800 MILLION TO GO TO
THE EMERGENCY FOOD AND SHELTER PROGRAM FROM FEMA FOR GRANTS
FOR LOCAL COMMUNITIES.
IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE A LOT OF COUNTIES HAVE GOTTEN THESE
GRANTS IN PAST YEARS, BUT CITIES IN FLORIDA APPARENTLY
HAVEN'T.
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY GOT ABOUT HALF A MILLION.

PINELLAS COUNTY ABOUT 370,000.
THE STATE OF FLORIDA GOT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY, AND IT
APPEARS THAT TAMPA HASN'T GOTTEN THIS FUNDING.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE INQUIRE ON THIS FOR TWO REASONS.
NUMBER ONE BECAUSE THERE IS GOING TO BE A BIG INFLUX IN
FLORIDA ON THIS ISSUE, SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE
GOOD FISCAL STEWARDS.
NUMBER TWO, I THINK IT'S ALSO VERY CONSISTENT WITH TAMPA'S
VALUES, WHENEVER IT COMES TO ISSUES SUCH AS REFUGEES AS WE
HAVE MANY, MANY REFUGEES HERE IN OUR CITY.
THIS WOULD PAY FOR HOUSING, FOOD, SHELTER, COVID TESTING,
AND OTHER SUPPORTIVE SERVICES.
7:02:27PM >> SECOND.
7:02:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION --
7:02:30PM >>LUIS VIERA:
FEBRUARY 16, IF I MAY.
7:02:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
7:02:36PM >> AYE.
7:02:36PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
THAT'S IT.
7:02:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
7:02:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M VERY SORRY, MR. SHELBY LET ME KNOW THAT
-- REMINDED ME THAT THERE IS ACTUALLY A REPORT ON FEBRUARY

16th ABOUT THE CURRENT STATUS OF CITY DEPARTMENT HEADS'
COMPLIANCE WITH THE CHARTER.
SO THAT ONE, THE SECOND, THE MIDDLE ONE ON THAT PAGE, IF YOU
COULD CHANGE THAT FROM THE 23rd TO THE 16th, IF THAT'S
OKAY.
7:03:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
7:03:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TO AMEND
HER PRIOR MOTION.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
7:03:17PM >> AYE.
7:03:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
7:03:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU FOR ASKING.
I MOVE TO INVITE THE BLACK HISTORY COMMITTEE TO DISCUSS THE
UPCOMING 35th ANNUAL BLACK HISTORY CELEBRATION AT THE
TAMPA CONVENTION CENTER, AND I'M REQUESTING THAT TO BE ON
FEBRUARY 2nd'S AGENDA.
7:03:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM THE CHAIRMAN WITH
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
7:03:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I JUST NEED A MOTION TO --
7:03:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MADAM CLERK.
7:03:50PM >>THE CLERK:
I HAVE ONE THING.

IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT ON MARCH 7th IS
ELECTION DAY AND YOU ALL HAVE SCHEDULED COMMENDATIONS.
SO IF YOU WANT TO CANCEL THAT DAY, WE'LL NEED TO MAKE A
MOTION AS WELL AS MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THE COMMENDATION FOR
THE POLICE OFFICER OF THE MONTH.
WE CAN MOVE TO MARCH 2nd OR --
7:04:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE IT TO MARCH 2nd.
I SEE ONE STAFF REPORT.
MOTION TO MOVE THE MARCH 7 POLICE OFFICER OF THE MONTH TO
MARCH 2 RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE AGENDA.
7:04:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
7:04:34PM >> MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
7:04:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AND TO CANCEL THE MARCH 7th MEETING.
ALL IN FAVOR?
7:04:42PM >> AYE.
7:04:47PM >>THE CLERK:
RECEIVE AND FILE.
7:04:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE BY COUNCILMAN
MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
7:04:54PM >> AYE.
7:04:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE'RE ADJOURNED.
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