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Tampa City Council Workshop
Thursday, February 23, 2023
9:00 a.m.

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09:03:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE WE GOOD?
09:03:31AM OKAY, GOOD MORNING, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL IS NOW IN SESSION ON
09:03:34AM THIS DAY OF FEBRUARY 23, 2023.
09:03:37AM IF WE CAN ALL PLEASE STAND FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOLLOWED
09:03:41AM BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
09:03:43AM [MOMENT OF SILENCE]
09:04:00AM THANK YOU.
09:04:00AM [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:04:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:04:14AM PLEASE BE SEATED.
09:04:15AM MAY WE HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE.
09:04:19AM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
09:04:26AM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
09:04:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
09:04:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
09:04:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
09:04:36AM >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:04:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:04:39AM COUNCILMAN GUDES WILL BE HERE A FEW MINUTES -- [FEEDBACK]
09:04:46AM --
09:04:47AM >> SORRY.
09:04:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES WILL BE A FEW MINUTES LATE,
09:04:52AM AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WILL NOT BE WITH US.
09:04:54AM HE IS FEELING UNDER THE WEATHER.
09:04:55AM MR. SHELBY.
09:04:58AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF
09:05:01AM COUNCIL.
09:05:02AM MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
09:05:05AM TO CONTINUE VIRTUAL MEETINGS VIA CMT, I ASK COUNCIL TO WAIVE
09:05:10AM RULES TO ALLOW THAT.
09:05:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO MOVED.
09:05:14AM >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND.
09:05:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR.
09:05:16AM ANY OPPOSED?
09:05:18AM MOTION PASSES.
09:05:19AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, SIR.
09:05:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:05:22AM AT THIS TIME, WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:05:24AM ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WISHING TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS
09:05:27AM TIME, WOULD YOU PLEASE FORM A LINE ON MY LEFT, YOUR RIGHT.
09:05:34AM THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:05:36AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:05:46AM JUST A REMINDER TO THE PUBLIC THAT PER COUNCIL WORKSHOP
09:05:50AM RULES, PUBLIC HAVE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AFTER EACH
09:05:54AM ITEM IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO SPECIFIC ITEMS.
09:05:56AM THIS TIME IS FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:05:58AM IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK NOW TOWARD THE ITEMS, YOU MAY, BUT YOU
09:06:02AM WILL ONLY HAVE ONE OPPORTUNITY.
09:06:04AM SPEAK TO THE ITEM THIS MORNING AT THIS POINT OR WHEN THE
09:06:09AM ITEM COMES UP.
09:06:11AM ANYTHING OFF THE AGENDA FOR A SUBJECT YOU WANT TO RAISE, NOW
09:06:14AM WOULD BE THAT TIME.
09:06:14AM THANK YOU.
09:06:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK: MR. SHELBY, WE HAVE SOME ITEMS ON THE AGENDA
09:06:20AM THAT IF -- IF WE DECIDE NOT TO TAKE UP, PEOPLE MAY STILL
09:06:25AM WANT TO TAKE TO THEM STILL.
09:06:26AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT MAY BE TOO.
09:06:28AM DO YOU WANT TO DO HOUSEKEEPING FOR THE CONTINUANCES OR WAIT
09:06:32AM UNTIL AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT?
09:06:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD PREFER TO GO BY OUR AGENDA.
09:06:36AM IF WE WANT TO GO THROUGH THE AGENDA ITEMS AT THIS TIME.
09:06:39AM LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PLEASE EXCUSE ME IF YOU WOULD AT THIS
09:06:43AM TIME.
09:06:43AM WHO DO WE HAVE THAT IS GOING TO DO THE AGENDA REVIEW WITH US
09:06:46AM HERE?
09:06:46AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NORMALLY FOR A WORKSHOP, NO APPROVAL OF THE
09:06:50AM AGENDA, BUT BEING AS HOW THERE ARE -- IF COUNCIL WISHES TO
09:06:54AM ADD THAT, THAT IS YOUR PREROGATIVE.
09:06:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THEN FROM STAFF THAT WANTS TO HELP US GO
09:07:02AM THROUGH THE AGENDA OR OTHERWISE WE WILL DO THAT RIGHT NOW.
09:07:05AM ITEM NUMBER 1.
09:07:06AM OUR RECIPIENT WILL BE HERE.
09:07:07AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2?
09:07:11AM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:07:11AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE -- I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN VIERA,
09:07:16AM DID YOU HAVE A REQUEST WITH REGARD -- OH, THAT IS NUMBER 3.
09:07:19AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
09:07:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2?
09:07:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A LETTER AND POWERPOINT
09:07:30AM PRESENTATION.
09:07:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE WILL KEEP THAT.
09:07:31AM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:07:32AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR, MR. CHAIR, ITEM NUMBER 3, REQUESTED
09:07:37AM BY STAFF THIS BE CONTINUED UNTIL SEPTEMBER -- OR JUST TO BE
09:07:42AM CONTINUED, I GUESS.
09:07:43AM I AM FINE WITH THAT.
09:07:45AM THE DISABILITY HOUSING WORKSHOP.
09:07:47AM I DON'T -- WAS THERE A MEMO FROM STAFF REQUESTING A DATE?
09:07:51AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE I SPOKE TO YOUR LEGISLATIVE AIDE
09:07:54AM AND SAID THE DATE OF APRIL 6 HAS BEEN REQUESTED.
09:07:59AM >>LUIS VIERA: FINE WITH ME.
09:08:00AM I SO MOVE, IF I MAY.
09:08:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
09:08:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS TRAVIS, YOU ARE ON.
09:08:06AM DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THIS?
09:08:08AM YOU ARE MUTED.
09:08:09AM MISS TRAVIS, YOU ARE MUTED.
09:08:11AM NO, YOU ARE STILL MUTED.
09:08:18AM MISS TRAVIS, YOU ARE STILL MUTED.
09:08:33AM I.T.?
09:08:42AM ALL RIGHT, COUNCILMAN VIERA, DO YOU HAVE A DEFINITE DATE ON
09:08:45AM THAT?
09:08:46AM >>LUIS VIERA: I BELIEVE IT WAS APRIL 6, IF I RECALL.
09:08:49AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: APRIL 6 UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
09:08:51AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR SORRY UNDER STAFF -- I THOUGHT IT WAS
09:08:56AM GOING TO BE A WORKSHOP.
09:08:57AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: APRIL 6 IS NOT A WORKSHOP DAY.
09:09:01AM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
09:09:03AM TELL YOU WHAT FOR PURPOSES OF TODAY BECAUSE WE HAVE A VERY
09:09:05AM FULL AGENDA, I WILL MOVE IT TO APRIL 6.
09:09:07AM I WANT THIS TO BE A WORKSHOP BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THE STAFF
09:09:10AM REPORT TO TURN INTO A WORKSHOP.
09:09:11AM FOR PURPOSES OF TIME, APRIL 6, AND BRANDON, IF YOU DON'T
09:09:16AM MIND, WE WILL FOLLOW UP.
09:09:16AM YES, THANK YOU, SIR.
09:09:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS TRAVIS, ARE YOU THERE NOW?
09:09:22AM STILL MUTED.
09:09:23AM I APOLOGIZE.
09:09:24AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:09:30AM WE CAN COME BACK AND IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES --
09:09:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:09:33AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4.
09:09:35AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES, PLEASE.
09:09:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5?
09:09:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
09:09:43AM I ACTUALLY WANT TO KEEP THIS ON BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THE --
09:09:47AM YES.
09:09:47AM I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
09:09:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:09:50AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK?
09:09:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
09:09:55AM I WANT -- I BELIEVE THAT MR. MASSEY HAS A REPORT FOR US.
09:10:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7, COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
09:10:07AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES, YES, PLEASE.
09:10:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8, COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
09:10:13AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES, PLEASE.
09:10:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA NUMBER 9, VIERA AND MANISCALCO.
09:10:18AM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, SIR, YES, SIR.
09:10:22AM IF I MAY, I WILL BRIEFLY ADDRESS THIS ISSUE WITH ALL THE
09:10:26AM WORKSHOPS, NOT TO THE SUBSTANCE OF -- WE WILL NOT GET TO ALL
09:10:29AM OF THESE TODAY.
09:10:30AM IF WE DO, I WILL BE VERY SURPRISED.
09:10:32AM WE NEED TO LIMIT WORKSHOPS.
09:10:34AM THAT IS FOR ANOTHER ISSUE.
09:10:35AM WITH REGARDS TO THIS, THE PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN, I GOT AN
09:10:40AM E-MAIL REQUESTING THIS TO BE MOVED TO MARCH 16 OF 2023.
09:10:44AM OBVIOUSLY I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THIS.
09:10:46AM I HAD SPOKEN WITH TAMPA FIRE RESCUE, CHIEF TRIPP, WHO I
09:10:51AM BELIEVE -- I SAW HER OUTSIDE -- SHE MAY BE HERE.
09:10:54AM AND I DON'T NEED CHIEF TRIPP.
09:10:56AM I DON'T THINK I NEED YOU UP HERE, MA'AM, UNLESS YOU WISH TO
09:10:59AM OBVIOUSLY.
09:11:00AM I HAVE NO ACTION TO THAT.
09:11:01AM AGAIN, I STATE THAT WHEN THIS DOES COME BACK TO US, BECAUSE
09:11:06AM I -- I INQUIRED ON THIS ISSUE BEFORE WHEN IT FIRST CAME UP
09:11:09AM THAT IF -- IF SOMETHING BE VERY ROBUST AND POTENTIALLY HAVE
09:11:14AM A CONSULTANT IF NEED BE, IF WE CAN HAVE A GOOD ROBUST REPORT
09:11:19AM ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN WITHOUT A CONSULTANT,
09:11:23AM WONDERFUL.
09:11:23AM I STATE THAT FOR PURPOSES OF THIS.
09:11:25AM PAUSE THIS IS A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT DISCUSSION TO HAVE.
09:11:28AM I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO MARCH 16.
09:11:31AM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR.
09:11:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:11:35AM >>BILL CARLSON: NICK STOCCO IS HERE FROM THE FIRE FIGHTERS.
09:11:41AM AND JUST LIKE ON ONE OF THESE OTHERS, I THINK THEY MAY -- I
09:11:44AM DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK IN PUBLIC COMMENT OR KEEP
09:11:47AM THAT ON THE AGENDA.
09:11:48AM BUT -- THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER VIERA FOR LEADING ON THIS
09:11:52AM ISSUE AND MAKING SURE WE STAY AHEAD OF IT.
09:11:55AM BUT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE UPDATES FROM THE -- FROM THE
09:11:57AM EXPERTS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT COULD HELP MOVE THIS ALONG
09:12:01AM FASTER.
09:12:01AM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU -- NICK, DO YOU WANT TO COVER IT IN
09:12:05AM PUBLIC -- DON'T SAY THE SUBSTANCE NOW.
09:12:07AM BUT ARE YOU OKAY COVERING IT IN PUBLIC COMMENT OR ENOUGH
09:12:10AM SUBSTANCE TO LEAD THE ISSUE ON THE AGENDA.
09:12:12AM >> I AM OKAY WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:12:15AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:12:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:12:17AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: IF THE UNION PRESIDENT WILL SPEAK, I WOULD
09:12:20AM LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE CHIEF, AND THE CHIEF TO TELL US A
09:12:23AM DEFENSIVE TIMELINE WHEN THE SAFETY MASTER PLAN WILL BE DONE.
09:12:27AM THAT IS FAIR TO EVERYBODY SO WE CAN KNOW WHERE WE ARE AT IN
09:12:31AM THE PROCESS SO WE DON'T KICK IT DOWN THE ROAD.
09:12:34AM BRING IT TO A CLOSE.
09:12:36AM I AM SURE SHE IS DOING THE BEST SHE CAN, BUT IF SHE CAN
09:12:39AM NARROW IT DOWN A LITTLE MORE AND MORE DEFINITIVE TIMELINE.
09:12:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCIL DOESN'T MIND, WE WILL SPENT ENOUGH
09:12:47AM TIME TO KEEP IT ON THE AGENDA.
09:12:48AM LET'S TPD IT ON THE AGENDA.
09:12:49AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10.
09:12:51AM COUNCILMAN GUDES?
09:12:54AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
09:12:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11.
09:12:59AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK?
09:13:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
09:13:01AM THEY ARE REQUESTING A CONTINUANCES; HOWEVER, THE
09:13:05AM REPRESENTATIVES OF THE -- OF THE SIERRA CLUB AND THE FRIENDS
09:13:10AM OF THE RIVER ARE PLANNING TO PRESENT.
09:13:12AM WE ARE GOING TO LEAVE THIS ON BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO
09:13:15AM PRESENT EVEN IF THE CITY -- OR THE -- THE STAFF IS NOT
09:13:18AM PREPARED.
09:13:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
09:13:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12.
09:13:23AM THIS IS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:13:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS ITEM IS GOING TO BE CONTINUED ALONG WITH
09:13:30AM SEVERAL OTHER ITEMS.
09:13:31AM 13 AND 14, I BELIEVE.
09:13:34AM AND SO I AM -- I AM FINE WITH 12 BEING CONTINUED TO
09:13:41AM SEPTEMBER 28.
09:13:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: OKAY, A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:13:46AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:13:48AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09:13:49AM ANY OPPOSED?
09:13:51AM MOTION PASSES.
09:13:52AM THEN COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, THERE IS ALSO A CONTINUANCE FOR
09:13:57AM APRIL 28 ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13.
09:14:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, FOR 13 AND 14, BOTH MY MOTIONS.
09:14:03AM I AM FINE SO WE CAN ALL HEAR EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
09:14:06AM MOVE ITEM 13 TO SEPTEMBER 30, 2023.
09:14:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
09:14:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND
09:14:15AM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:14:17AM ANY OBJECTIONS?
09:14:18AM MOTION PASSES.
09:14:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO SEPTEMBER 28, 2023.
09:14:23AM >> SECOND.
09:14:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO TO CONTINUE
09:14:28AM ITEM 14 UNTIL SEPTEMBER 28.
09:14:30AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:14:32AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09:14:33AM ANY OPPOSED?
09:14:35AM MOTION PASSES.
09:14:35AM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:14:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:14:42AM >>BILL CARLSON: I GOT A LOT OF CALL FROM NEIGHBORHOOD
09:14:44AM LEADERS OF THESE THREE.
09:14:46AM IN THE INTERIM, IF STAFF CAN HAVE A MEETING WITH A GROUP OF
09:14:50AM THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS TO BRIEF THEM ON THIS AND THE
09:14:53AM SIGNIFICANCE OF IT AND WILL SAVE A LOT OF TIME IN THE
09:14:55AM MEETING WHEN THIS FINALLY COMES UP.
09:14:57AM THANK YOU.
09:14:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15.
09:15:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS -- THIS IS ABOUT THE SAFETY AND SECURITY
09:15:03AM OF PARKING LOTS IN YBOR.
09:15:04AM AND THE REASON THEY WANT THIS CONTINUANCE BECAUSE THE
09:15:08AM COMMUNITY HAS CREATED A NEW SAFETY GROUP THAT THEY WANT TO
09:15:13AM HAVE TIME TO WORK ON THIS.
09:15:14AM THEREFORE, I AM FINE WITH CONTINUING THIS BECAUSE THE
09:15:16AM COMMUNITY IS ASKING FOR THAT.
09:15:18AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MOTION, PLEASE.
09:15:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK: MOTION TO CONTINUE UNTIL SEPTEMBER 28.
09:15:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO CONTINUE AGENDA ITEM 15 TO
09:15:27AM SEPTEMBER 28, 2023.
09:15:28AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:15:30AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09:15:32AM ANY OPPOSED?
09:15:33AM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:15:34AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 10.
09:15:36AM GO BACK THERE FOR A SECOND --
09:15:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET'S FINISH ON ITEM 15.
09:15:41AM ANY OBJECTIONS?
09:15:42AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO OBJECTIONS.
09:15:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:15:47AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE FOR ITEM 10 TO APRIL
09:15:53AM 7, 2023.
09:15:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
09:15:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES TO CONTINUE ITEM
09:15:59AM NUMBER 10 UNTIL APRIL 27, 2023.
09:16:01AM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:16:03AM ALL IN FAVOR.
09:16:03AM ANY OPPOSED?
09:16:05AM MOTION PASSES.
09:16:06AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:16:10AM >>BILL CARLSON: ON NUMBER 15 SAFETY AND SECURITY OF PARKING
09:16:13AM LOTS IN YBOR.
09:16:14AM WE HAD HEARD A LOT, A LOT, A LOT OF COMPLAINTS OVER THE LAST
09:16:19AM COUPLE OF YEARS.
09:16:20AM I PERSONALLY SEEN WHAT APPEARS TO BE A HIGHER POLICE
09:16:23AM PRESENCE.
09:16:23AM AND I AM GETTING MORE COMPLIMENTS ON HOWEVER IT IS BEING
09:16:27AM HANDLED NOW.
09:16:28AM I KNOW PEOPLE STILL HAVE CONCERNS, BUT THANK YOU TO
09:16:31AM EVERYBODY WHO HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN TRYING TO FIX THAT
09:16:33AM PROBLEM.
09:16:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I KNOW THAT PEOPLE DOWN AT THE -- EXCUSE ME,
09:16:38AM THE YBOR CITY CRA HAS BEEN WORKING VERY, VERY HARD AND
09:16:45AM WORKING WITH TPD ON THAT.
09:16:47AM THANK YOU FOR TAKING STEPS AND INITIATIVES THE YBOR CITY CAC
09:16:55AM AND CRA.
09:16:56AM NOW LET'S START WITH PUBLIC COMMENT --
09:16:59AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, I KNOW YOU WANT TO GET THERE,
09:17:01AM BUT IF YOU DON'T MIND.
09:17:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES:
09:17:04AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WANT TO WELCOME THE CHARLOTTE,
09:17:08AM NORTH CAROLINA OFFICIALS IN TOWN.
09:17:09AM THEY ARE IN TOWN VISITING OUR CITY LOOKING WHAT WE ARE
09:17:12AM DOING.
09:17:13AM I ALWAYS THOUGHT CHARLOTTE WAS ABOVE US, BUT THEY ARE
09:17:16AM LOOKING TO SEE WHAT WE ARE DOING.
09:17:18AM A GOOD FRIEND CALLED ME TO GO TO WATER STREET TO MEET SOME
09:17:22AM OF THEM.
09:17:22AM I WISH WE WOULD HAVE KNOWN THEY WERE HERE AND COULD HAVE
09:17:26AM VISITED THE DISTRICT 5 PERSON IN CHARLOTTE.
09:17:30AM I HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION WITH SOME OF THE SCHOOL BOARD
09:17:31AM MEMBERS THERE.
09:17:32AM I WANT TO WELCOME THEM TO TAMPA.
09:17:34AM IF THEY ARE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE OR DOWNTOWN, FEEL FREE TO
09:17:37AM COME BY CITY HALL AND MEET SOME OF US.
09:17:40AM THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:17:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU ARE WELCOME.
09:17:42AM AGAIN, AGENDA, I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN STANDING THERE WAITING
09:17:46AM TO SPEAK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, AND I THANK YOU FOR INDULGING
09:17:49AM US.
09:17:49AM SIR, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO START PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:17:52AM >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL.
09:17:54AM TONY HOUGHMAN.
09:17:55AM B AND E TOWING AND RECOVERY IN COMPANY.
09:18:00AM I'M HERE TO SPEAK OF THE ISSUE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA
09:18:04AM IMPLEMENT BID.
09:18:05AM IT WAS COUNSELLED YESTERDAY AND WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THAT.
09:18:09AM THANK YOU TO YOU FOR ALL YOUR PARTICIPATION IN THAT.
09:18:12AM I WILL, HOWEVER, SUGGEST THAT A WORKSHOP BE PUT TOGETHER OF
09:18:16AM STAFF OF COUNCIL, THE CITY OF TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT,
09:18:19AM CERTAINLY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
09:18:21AM WE KNOW THIS -- THE OTHER IS NOT GOING AWAY.
09:18:25AM IT HAS TO BE RESOLVED.
09:18:27AM HOW IT IS RESOLVED, I THINK, WILL TAKE COLLECTIVE MINDS TO
09:18:31AM PUT TOGETHER WHAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND.
09:18:33AM CERTAINLY FROM THE TOWING INDUSTRY SIDE, WE KNOW HOW TO
09:18:37AM STORE CARS.
09:18:38AM OKAY.
09:18:38AM FROM LEGAL, WE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT HAS TO
09:18:43AM HAPPEN FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S SIDE FOR MAINTAINING
09:18:46AM CHAIN OF CUSTODY ON EVIDENCE.
09:18:48AM SO IF WE WERE TO UNDERSTAND THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER WE
09:18:51AM MIGHT HAVE INPUT HOW TO PUT THIS TOGETHER AND MAKE IT WORK.
09:18:55AM ONCE AGAIN, I THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR EFFORTS THAT HAVE BEEN
09:19:00AM PUT FORWARD ON THIS.
09:19:01AM WE KNOW IT HAS TO BE RESOLVE AND STAND READY TO HELP YOU.
09:19:06AM THANK YOU.
09:19:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:19:08AM >> GOOD MORNING.
09:19:09AM THANK YOU FOR LETTING US COME AND SHARE OUR OPINIONS ABOUT
09:19:13AM THIS TOWING FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:19:15AM MY NAME IS DENNIS WITH TOWING OF TAMPA AND WE ARE OUT HERE
09:19:22AM TO ASSIST TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT IN TAKING CARE OF THE
09:19:25AM VEHICLES AND STUFF.
09:19:25AM OUR CONCERN IS.
09:19:29AM THEY MONOPOLIZE WITH ONE TOW COMPANY IN EMPTYING THE YARD,
09:19:35AM THINGS THEY CAN TO DO HELP THE CITY MOVE FORWARD.
09:19:40AM AS FAR AS ALL THESE COMPANIES, PUTTING ONE COMPANY IN CHARGE
09:19:45AM WILL BE A BIG MISTAKE BECAUSE YOU WILL BE PUTTING A LOT OF
09:19:48AM LITTLE BUSINESSES OUT OF BUSINESS AND MANY PEOPLE THAT THESE
09:19:51AM COMPANIES THAT ARE ON ROTATION, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT
09:19:56AM WE PUT TO WORK BECAUSE OF IT.
09:19:58AM YOU KNOW TAMPA IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.
09:19:59AM KEEP EVERYBODY MOVING.
09:20:02AM KEEP EVERYBODY WORKING ESPECIALLY WITH THE HOUSING
09:20:05AM INDUSTRIES AND THE PRICES AND STUFF, PEOPLE NEED TO WORK.
09:20:07AM YOU PUT ONE COMPANY -- THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HIRE ALL THE
09:20:11AM PEOPLE LAID OFF FROM SMALLER COMPANIES.
09:20:13AM THAT IS OUR BIGGEST CONCERN.
09:20:14AM IF WE CAN -- IF EVOLVE INTO HELPING YOU MAINTAIN THE
09:20:20AM INTEGRITY OF THE CARS AND STUFF THAT NEED TO BE STORED FOR
09:20:23AM THE PROTECTION FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THINGS LIKE
09:20:26AM THAT.
09:20:26AM A BIG MISTAKE TO JUST DROP EVERYBODY OFF.
09:20:29AM SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
09:20:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:20:32AM >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCILMEMBERS.
09:20:39AM MARK FENNER WITH ADVANTAGE TOWING AND WE ARE HERE
09:20:48AM BECAUSE OF THE BID.
09:20:48AM CAUGHT US OFF-GUARD WHEN WE RECEIVED THIS.
09:20:51AM WE TALKED AMONGST OURSELVES AND REACHED OUT TO ATTORNEYS AND
09:20:55AM EVERYBODY ELSE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO.
09:20:57AM I AM GLAD THAT THE BID HAS BEEN CANCELLED.
09:21:00AM I AGREE WITH TONY WHO SPOKE ABOUT -- THE FIRST PERSON OUT
09:21:04AM HERE SPEAKING.
09:21:06AM HE WAS SAYING THAT WE NEED TO HAVE MORE INTERACTION WITH YOU
09:21:09AM GUYS, A LITTLE BIT OF A WORKSHOP SO EVERYBODY IS ON BOARD
09:21:12AM WITH THE SAME THING.
09:21:12AM I HATE TO SEE ONE COMPANY GETTING A BID SUCH AS THIS.
09:21:15AM WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH TAMPA POLICE FOR A NUMBER OF
09:21:18AM YEARS.
09:21:18AM I THINK WE ALL HAVE DONE A RELATIVELY GOOD JOB DOING SO, AT
09:21:22AM LEAST WE HOPE WE HAVE.
09:21:23AM WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO DO IT WELL.
09:21:26AM DENNIS BEFORE ME SPOKE A LITTLE BIT SAYING IT WILL HAVE A
09:21:29AM HUGE IMPACT ON OUR EMPLOYEES, OUR BUSINESSES.
09:21:32AM THESE ARE ALL THINGS WE WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION.
09:21:35AM PLEASE LOOK OUT FOR US.
09:21:36AM WE ARE TRYING TO LOOK OUT FOR YOU GUYS, FOR YEARS.
09:21:39AM WE SHOWED UP TODAY AND MORE PEOPLE WILL BE SPEAKING BEHIND
09:21:43AM ME.
09:21:43AM WE WANT TO SHOW THAT EVERYBODY HERE IS TRYING TO WORK
09:21:46AM TOGETHER TO CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY DONE AND
09:21:48AM ALWAYS DONE FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:21:50AM AND HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY APPRECIATES IT AND WE CAN CONTINUE
09:21:53AM WORKING WITH YOU GUYS.
09:21:55AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
09:21:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:22:00AM >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T USUALLY INTERRUPT DURING THESE
09:22:05AM CONVERSATIONS.
09:22:05AM CAN YOU DESCRIBE TO THE PUBLIC WHAT HAPPENED.
09:22:07AM SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS.
09:22:09AM NOT SOMETHING THAT CITY COUNCIL INITIATED AND A RPF.
09:22:14AM YOU ARE COMING BEFORE US TO ALERT US ABOUT THAT.
09:22:17AM FOR THE PUBLIC'S SAKE, LET US KNOW.
09:22:19AM >> CERTAINLY.
09:22:20AM SO THE BID CAME OUT ON FRIDAY THROUGH THE DEMAND STAR WHICH
09:22:24AM THE CITY OF TAMPA USES AS THEIR PLATFORM.
09:22:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GIVE US YOUR NAME.
09:22:29AM >> TONY HOUGHMAN, B AND E TOWING.
09:22:35AM THE BID CAME OUT AND, OF COURSE, ALL THE TOWERS INVOLVED
09:22:39AM WITH THE ROTATION LIST OF THE CITY OF TAMPA STARTED CALLING
09:22:42AM ONE ANOTHER.
09:22:43AM WHERE DID THIS COME FROM?
09:22:44AM OUT OF LEFT FIELD.
09:22:45AM NOBODY HAD BEEN NOTE FIGHT THAT A BID WAS EVEN LOOMING.
09:22:50AM IT CAME OUT.
09:22:51AM WE ALL SPOKE WITH ONE ANOTHER.
09:22:54AM WENT THROUGH THE BID PACKET.
09:22:55AM IN ITS CURRENT FORM IT'S DEAD.
09:22:58AM BUT IN THE POST FORM, IT SUGGESTED THAT ONLY ONE TOWING
09:23:02AM COMPANY BE USED FOR ALL ROTATION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:23:05AM IT ALSO SUGGESTED THAT THIS COMPANY WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE
09:23:09AM IMPOUND STORAGE FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR
09:23:13AM SEIZED VEHICLES, FATALITIES, SO FORTH, VEHICLES THAT ARE
09:23:17AM NORMALLY KEPT AT 34th STREET RIGHT NOW.
09:23:19AM AS I AM SURE YOU ARE AWARE, 34th STREET IS CLOSING DOWN.
09:23:24AM THE CITY OF TAMPA IS MOVING TO A FACILITY THAT IS MUCH
09:23:27AM SMALLER.
09:23:28AM I AM TALKING WAY SMALLER.
09:23:29AM AND IN MY MIND'S EYE, THIS WAS A MISTAKE THAT WAS MADE RIGHT
09:23:36AM FROM THE GET-GO.
09:23:37AM UNDERSTANDING WHAT, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY IS NECESSARY IN ORDER
09:23:41AM TO STORE THESE VEHICLES.
09:23:43AM IT IS SOMETHING THE CITY CERTAINLY UNDERSTANDS BECAUSE THEY
09:23:46AM MAINTAINED 34th STREET FOR YEARS.
09:23:48AM MOVING TO A SMALLER FACILITY CERTAINLY -- IT IS NOT GOING TO
09:23:51AM HAPPEN.
09:23:51AM BUT TO THAT END, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I AM CERTAINLY
09:23:55AM HAPPY TO --
09:23:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:23:58AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: CHIEF, CAN YOU COME TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE.
09:24:01AM I HAVE GOT SOME QUESTIONS.
09:24:02AM BECAUSE AS I RECALL, WHEN WE -- THIS COUNCIL VOTED FOR THE
09:24:09AM IMPOUND LOT, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION IT WAS GOING TO BE
09:24:13AM ABLE TO MANAGE THE CITY.
09:24:15AM BUT THIS GENTLEMAN IS SAYING IT IS MUCH SMALLER THAN WHAT OUR
09:24:18AM CURRENT IMPOUND -- AND I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THE INBOUND
09:24:22AM LOT IS USED FOR OUR SEIZED VEHICLES, EVIDENCE VEHICLES AND
09:24:25AM SO FORTH.
09:24:25AM SO I -- I -- I AM KIND OF BAFFLED THAT HE IS SAYING IT IS
09:24:30AM SMALLER THAN WHAT WE HAVE OUT THERE.
09:24:32AM I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION -- THIS PROJECT THAT THIS COUNCIL
09:24:35AM VOTED FOR WAS ABLE TO CURE THE PROBLEMS FOR THE NEEDS OF THE
09:24:39AM CITY.
09:24:40AM NUMBER TWO, AS IT RELATES TO -- LIKE TWO YEARS -- TWO AND A
09:24:45AM HALF YEARS, STARKS TOWING HAVE BEEN CALLING ME ABOUT THIS
09:24:48AM TOW ISSUE.
09:24:49AM I THOUGHT MIKE SMITH WAS WORKING ON THAT AND DEALING WITH
09:24:52AM THOSE ISSUES.
09:24:53AM THEN I HEAR THIS.
09:24:54AM IF YOU CAN ELABORATE THAT FACILITY AND WHAT IT IS SUPPOSED
09:24:58AM TO MAINTAIN AND THIS COUNCIL KNOW WHAT IS WE ARE VOTING ON
09:25:01AM AND WHAT THE BANG FOR THE BUCK IS GETTING.
09:25:04AM >>LEE BERCAW: INTERIM CHIEF LEE BERCAW.
09:25:08AM HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY IS WHY WE PULLED THAT.
09:25:10AM WE HAVE AND LISTENING DATE SESSION.
09:25:14AM HE DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.
09:25:15AM YOU SHOULD KNOW THE DATE.
09:25:17AM THE SAME DATE TO GET THE FEEDBACK TO AMEND THAT.
09:25:21AM MIKE SCHMID DID RESEARCH AND OTHER CITIES THAT HAD A SUCCESS
09:25:27AM USING A SIMILAR MODEL.
09:25:29AM THE WAY THE NEEDS OF THAT ARE, THE NEEDS WE CAN ACCOMMODATE
09:25:32AM WILL WORK FOR US.
09:25:33AM IT IS OUTSOURCING AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO WORK
09:25:36AM THROUGH WITH OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY AND OUR TOW TRUCK COMPANIES
09:25:40AM WITH A SOLUTION THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY.
09:25:42AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE ONLY PROBLEM I HAVE, CHIEF, IS, AGAIN,
09:25:45AM THE DEAL.
09:25:45AM HOW SMALL IS THIS AREA WE HAVE NOW ON 34th STREET.
09:25:52AM I DON'T HAVE THOSE SPECS IN FRONT OF ME.
09:25:56AM IT IS SMALLER, BUT TO GIVE YOU THE PERCENTAGE, I DON'T HAVE
09:26:00AM THAT IN FRONT OF ME.
09:26:00AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM HOPING THAT WE WILL COME BACK WITH A
09:26:04AM WORKSHOP ONCE YOU MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY.
09:26:06AM I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I AM NOT GOING BE A SUPPORTER IF
09:26:09AM WE CUT OUT OUR SMALL BUSINESSES.
09:26:11AM THOSE GUYS WORK A LOT.
09:26:12AM THEY ARE PROVIDING FOR FAMILIES.
09:26:13AM WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER YOU ARE GOING TO DO, THEY HAVE
09:26:16AM TO BE FIT IN THE EQUATION AND HAVE AN EQUAL BALANCE.
09:26:19AM >> I AGREE WITH YOU AND ON THE SAME PAGE AND AS SOON AS WE
09:26:25AM HEARD THE FEEDBACK.
09:26:26AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT, CHIEF.
09:26:28AM AND BEING A LEADER ON THAT.
09:26:30AM THANK YOU.
09:26:30AM >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME, GENTLEMEN?
09:26:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:26:36AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, CITY STAFF, LISTENING IN.
09:26:43AM NICK STOCCO, PRESIDENT OF LOCAL FIRE FIGHTERS.
09:26:46AM HERE TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9.
09:26:48AM I UNDERSTAND IT WAS REQUESTED TO BE MADE FOR A CONTINUANCE.
09:26:51AM I APPRECIATE THE TIME ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK IN PUBLIC
09:26:55AM COMMENT.
09:26:55AM I WILL KEEP IT BRIEF BUT TO GIVE HISTORY ON THIS MOTION.
09:26:58AM JANUARY 2020, THIS MOTION WAS MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA AND
09:27:03AM PUSHED BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN JANUARY OF 2020.
09:27:06AM AUGUST OF 2020, THE IAFF, THE UNION PRODUCED 135-PAGE
09:27:11AM DOCUMENT LISTING EVERYTHING THAT WAS NEEDED.
09:27:13AM COLORED GRAPHS, NUMBERS, PERCENTAGES, EVERYTHING BY
09:27:17AM PROFESSIONAL CONSULTANTS WHAT THE PUBLIC SAFETY DEFICITS
09:27:22AM WITH FIRE RESCUE.
09:27:23AM SINCE THEN WE HAVE NOT SEEN MUCH OF A PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER
09:27:26AM PLAN.
09:27:26AM MARCH 2021, A WORKSHOP WHERE CONSULTANTS WILL BE ADVISED TO
09:27:32AM BE HIRED.
09:27:32AM I APPRECIATE COUNCILMAN VIERA TO HIRE CONSULTANTS AND MARCH
09:27:38AM IT WAS SAID TAKE SIX MONTHS TO HIRE CONSULTANTS THAT WOULD
09:27:42AM HAVE TAKEN SEPTEMBER, 2021.
09:27:45AM IF A REPORT WAS DONE, SHOW IT.
09:27:47AM SHOW US SOMETHING.
09:27:48AM IF A REPORT IS NOT DONE, SHOW US WHY IT HAVEN'T BEEN DONE.
09:27:51AM IN 2023, IN JANUARY IT WAS ASKED MORE TIME TO WAS NEEDED.
09:27:57AM I UNDERSTAND ELECTIONS ARE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER BUT GIVE
09:28:00AM THE FIRE FIGHTERS SOME TYPE OF INFORMATION SOMETHING WE CAN
09:28:02AM TAKE ON AND WORK ON AND GO I HAVE BACK TO THE MEMBERS AND
09:28:05AM SEE IF WE CAN GET BETTER AND WORK TOGETHER.
09:28:07AM I ASK YOU ALL TO -- I UNDERSTAND BEING KEPT ON THE AGENDA,
09:28:11AM BUT I ASK YOU ALL TO ASK THE QUESTIONS AND PROVIDE US WITH
09:28:14AM SOME KIND OF ANSWERS THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR.
09:28:16AM THE FIRE FIGHTERS ARE HELD TO SOME KIND OF TIME FRAMES AND
09:28:20AM WE DON'T GET ANY EXTENSIONS AS YOU ALTHOUGH.
09:28:23AM WHEN EXTENSIONS ARE ASKED FOR, WE MAY OR MAY NOT BE GRANTED.
09:28:27AM WE HAVEN'T GRANTED THEM IN THE PAST.
09:28:30AM I WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND I CAN STATE THAT I
09:28:33AM KNOW WE ARE ON THE SCHEDULE FOR TWO MORE AGENDA ITEMS AND I
09:28:37AM PLAN ON BEING HERE UNTIL THE END.
09:28:39AM IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING, LET ME KNOW.
09:28:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:28:43AM >> COUNCIL, HOW ARE YOU DOING.
09:28:48AM MARK SCAGGS.
09:28:49AM SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF SPARKS TOWING.
09:28:53AM I HAVE BEEN IN THE TOWING BUSINESS FOR 40 YEARS.
09:28:55AM JUST A HORRIBLE IDEA TO, ONE, BID.
09:28:58AM IT SHUTS DOWN SO MANY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE JUST THE WORKERS,
09:29:02AM THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE INVESTED THEIR LIFE IN IT, IN -- JUST
09:29:07AM NOT A GOOD FIT FOR COMPANY.
09:29:09AM THEY DO AN OUTSTANDING JOB KEEPING UP WITH THE CARS.
09:29:13AM I KNOW TAMPA IS EXPLODING AT THE SEAMS OR BUSTING AT THE
09:29:19AM SEAMS.
09:29:20AM LIKE YOU SAY MORE COMMUNICATION WITH THE GUYS.
09:29:23AM THEY CAN SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
09:29:24AM MY SON BRIAN OWNS STARKS TOWING WILL BE HAPPY TO BE
09:29:30AM THE LIAISON TO SPEAK TO YOU ALL AND LET YOU KNOW WHAT IS
09:29:33AM GOING ON BECAUSE SOME OF THE STUFF COMES OUT OF THE BLUE SKY
09:29:36AM AND WE DON'T KNOW.
09:29:37AM APPRECIATE YOU ALL CANCELLING IT NOW AND HOPEFULLY IN THE
09:29:40AM FUTURE YOU WILL.
09:29:41AM THANK YOU FOR THE TIME.
09:29:46AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
09:29:48AM I AM BRIAN STARKS.
09:29:49AM I'M HERE OBVIOUSLY FOR THE OTHER TOWERS THAT ARE HERE THE
09:29:54AM BID THAT IS OPEN.
09:29:55AM I AM CLOSED THAT IT IS CLOSED RIGHT NOW -- GLAD THAT IT IS
09:30:00AM CLOSED RIGHT NOW AND DEVASTATING TO THE SMALL BUSINESSES AND
09:30:03AM UNAMERICAN TO HAVE ONE COMPANY HANDLE A WHOLE CITY THANK YOU
09:30:12AM FOR WORKING ON IT AND KEEPING IT CLOSED AND HOPEFULLY KEEP
09:30:16AM IN BID CLOSED AND NOT ALLOW AN MONOPOLY.
09:30:19AM IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN GLADLY ANSWER THEM BUT I
09:30:23AM THINK WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF SOLUTION.
09:30:30AM >> GOOD MORNING, STEVE ALLEN, PRESIDENT OF THE HILLSBOROUGH
09:30:34AM COUNTY TOWING ASSOCIATION.
09:30:35AM I HAVE BEEN ON ROTATION FOR 49 YEARS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:30:39AM YESTERDAY MICHELLE HAS BEEN CALLING FROM THE PURCHASING
09:30:49AM DEPARTMENT THAT THE MEETING FROM MARCH 8 AND 29 HAVE BOTH
09:30:51AM BEEN CANCELLED.
09:30:52AM THEY ARE GOING TO CONTACT US IN THE FUTURE WHEN WE CAN GET
09:30:55AM WITH THEM AND RESOLVE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS.
09:31:03AM THE MAIN THING WANTING TO GIVE THE POLICE INBOUND LOT TO THE
09:31:08AM BIDDER.
09:31:09AM WE HAVE 34 LOCATIONS AND EACH LOCATION HAS
09:31:14AM ANYWHERE FROM SIX TO 12 PEOPLE AT A MINIMUM.
09:31:19AM NOT TALKING A COUPLE OF DOZEN BUT HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WHO CAN
09:31:24AM LOSE THEIR JOB.
09:31:25AM ROTATION IS A LARGE PART OF OUR INCOME.
09:31:27AM AND THE WAY THINGS HAVE WENT WITH AUTOMOBILES THE LAST FEW
09:31:31AM YEARS WITH THE NEW WARRANTIES THAT THE NEW CARS HAVE.
09:31:34AM WE DON'T HAVE THE PRIVATE TOWING THAT WE USED TO HAVE.
09:31:38AM WE HAVE PULLED BACK TO WHERE ROTATION MEANS A LOT TO US AND
09:31:44AM TO GIVE IT TO ONE COMPANY WILL BE DEVASTATING FOR A LOT, A
09:31:47AM LOT OF COMPANIES.
09:31:48AM SOUTH TAMPA, WE HAVE NO MALLS, WE HAVE NO DEALERSHIPS.
09:31:51AM WE HAVE NOTHING SO WE DEPEND ON OUR ROTATION.
09:31:58AM SECTIONS OF TAMPA THAT DON'T HAVE THAT THAT DON'T HAVE THE
09:32:01AM HUSTLE AND BUSTLE THAT SOME OF THE ZONES GET.
09:32:04AM JUST TO GIVE YOU ONE LITTLE THING ON THE BID.
09:32:06AM THEY WERE REQUIRING A BUILDING TO HOLD 50 AUTOMOBILES AND
09:32:14AM 200 OUTSIDE LIKE A TARGET AND K-MART BUILDING AND I DON'T
09:32:20AM BELIEVE NONE OF US CAN AFFORD THAT.
09:32:22AM ONE OF MY COHORT PARTNERS TOLD ME HE DID LOCATE A BUILDING,
09:32:27AM BUT THEY WANT $15,000 A MONTH RENT ON IT.
09:32:30AM SO TO TAKE OVER AND DO THE THINGS ON THAT BID CONTRACT WAS
09:32:35AM JUST ABSURD.
09:32:37AM WE ARE WILLING TO SIT DOWN AND WORK WITH THEM AND MICHELLE
09:32:40AM FROM PURCHASING DEPARTMENT SAID THAT AFTER THE END OF MARCH
09:32:47AM THEY WILL GET WITH US AND WE WILL HAVE A MEETING WITH THEM
09:32:49AM AND TRY TO RESOLVE THIS, BUT BASICALLY THEY ARE WANTING TO
09:32:52AM MOVE THE IMPOUND LOT INTO THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
09:32:56AM WITH THE TYPE OF VEHICLES THAT THEY HOLD AND EVERYTHING, IT
09:33:03AM WILL BE AWFULLY HARD TO MAINTAIN -- OKAY.
09:33:06AM WELL THANK YOU.
09:33:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS.
09:33:08AM >> OKAY, 30 SECONDS.
09:33:10AM OKAY.
09:33:10AM YOU KNOW TO GIVE IT TO ONE COMPANY, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE GOING
09:33:15AM TO HAVE ABOUT 12 VEHICLES THAT ARE REQUIRED AND MORE THAT BE
09:33:24AM LIKELY THEY HAVE A COMPANY ALREADY THAT SAYS THEY HAVE TO BE
09:33:27AM IN THE TOWING BUSINESS FOR FIVE YEARS IN FLORIDA.
09:33:30AM SO EVERYBODY ELSE IS GOING TO SUFFER THE WHOLE ROTATION WILL
09:33:35AM HURT.
09:33:35AM THANK YOU.
09:33:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:33:37AM >> MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
09:33:45AM I WOULD LIKE TO THINK OF RETROSPECT OF THE POLICE REVIEW
09:33:50AM BOARD AND APPOINTMENT OF THE ATTORNEY.
09:33:52AM THE WHITE KING OF ENGLAND AND SLAVE MASTERS WROTE THE UNITED
09:33:55AM STATES US CONSTITUTION.
09:33:56AM HOW DO YOU LIVE IN A COUNTRY THAT PROTECT DEMOCRACY AND
09:33:59AM CAPITALISM, BUT THE GOVERNMENT THAT PROTECTS CAPITALISM HAVE
09:34:03AM QUALIFIED IMMUNITY.
09:34:04AM QUALIFIED IMMUNITY IS A PROBLEM.
09:34:06AM NOT POLICE VIOLENCE AND POLICE REVIEW BOARDS.
09:34:09AM HOW YOU LIVE IN A SYSTEM WITH A CONSTITUTION THAT SAY
09:34:13AM AFRICANS ARE THREE FIFTH OF A HUMAN BEING.
09:34:16AM EXACTLY KEEPS BLACK PEOPLE BEGGING.
09:34:18AM CONFUSED AND BEGGING FROM THE DAY WE ARE BORN AND DAY WE
09:34:22AM DIE.
09:34:22AM BEGGING FOR FREEDOMS AND NATURAL RIGHTS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO
09:34:26AM BE INALIENABLE RIGHTS.
09:34:29AM BEGGING FOR THE RIGHT TO BEG.
09:34:31AM BUNCH OF BAFOONS.
09:34:33AM WHITE PEOPLE KNOW BETTER.
09:34:34AM THEY WILL NEVER ACCEPT THAT STANDARD FOR THEMSELVES.
09:34:37AM THEIR EFFORTS OF AFRICAN PEOPLE MAKING PROGRESS.
09:34:40AM THE WHITE PEOPLE KNOW BY THE TIME WE CATCH ON TO THEIR
09:34:44AM SCHEMES AND SCAMS, THREE OR FOUR GENERATIONS WILL HAVE PASSED
09:34:47AM BY.
09:34:48AM SNAKE OIL REMEDY AND PRESCRIPTION DRUGS AND PHARMACEUTICAL
09:34:51AM COMPANIES THAT WILL CURE THE PROBLEM ONLY TO FIND OUT 50
09:34:54AM YEARS LATER THE SNAKE OIL AND PHARMACEUTICALS WAS THE
09:34:57AM PROBLEMS AND THE MANUFACTURERS KNEW IT ALL ALONG.
09:35:00AM WE DO NOT NEED ANY POLICE REVIEW BOARD.
09:35:02AM WE NEED A CLEAR SHOT AT THE POLICE AND ANY OTHER GOVERNMENT
09:35:06AM AGENCY WITH THE REMOVAL OF QUALIFIED IMMUNITY.
09:35:08AM WE NEED FOR THE POLICE AND ANY OTHER GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE TO
09:35:12AM BE SUSCEPTIBLE TO LAWSUITS TO LIVE UNDER THE SAME LAW THAT
09:35:15AM EVERYONE ELSE LIVES UNDER.
09:35:18AM NOT THE KING'S LAW OR KING'S STANDARDS.
09:35:20AM REGULAR FOLKS STANDARDS.
09:35:21AM DO YOU THINK THAT THESE JUDGES LOCKED UP AFRICANS FOR 30,
09:35:25AM 40, 50 YEARS, LIFETIME SENTENCES FOR VICTIMLESS CRIMES.
09:35:29AM NONE ARE GETTING AWAY SUCCESSFULLY IF THEY ARE SUED.
09:35:34AM CAPITALISM IS GREAT UNTIL THE POOR AND WORKING-CLASS PEOPLE
09:35:38AM TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.
09:35:40AM WE ARE 26% OF THE POPULATION AND DEMAND 26% OF THE CITY
09:35:46AM BUDGET.
09:35:46AM WE HAVE A RIGHT TO REPARATIONS AND DEMAND THE REPARATIONS TO
09:35:49AM STOP ALL THAT BEGGING.
09:35:50AM WE NEED TO START HOLDING THE CITY OF TAMPA ACCOUNTABLE AND
09:35:53AM ALL ELECTED AND BUSINESS LEADERS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
09:35:56AM CONDITION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN THE CITY.
09:35:57AM WHEN WHITE PEOPLE BEG, THEY KNOW WHAT TO BEG FOR, SUCH IN
09:36:01AM THE CASE OF UKRAINE WITH INSTALLED PUPPET GOVERNMENT AND A
09:36:05AM COMEDIAN AS A PRESIDENT.
09:36:07AM AND HE IS OUT BEGGING FOR WHAT, OFFENSIVE AND DEFENSIVE
09:36:11AM WEAPONS.
09:36:11AM HE ISN'T BEGGING FOR SPEED BUMPS AND ROUNDABOUTS AND PARKS
09:36:17AM AND RECREATION.
09:36:17AM BEGGING FOR WEAPONS TO DEFEND HIS PEOPLE SO THEY HAVE A
09:36:20AM RIGHT FOR SELF-DETERMINATION.
09:36:22AM THAT IS WHAT THE WHITE PEOPLE HERE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND.
09:36:25AM A DUTY AND A RESPONSIBILITY TO SEE THAT AFRICAN PEOPLE RISE.
09:36:28AM NOT TO KEEP US BEGGING AND BEGGING FOR DUMB STUFF.
09:36:31AM THOSE DAYS HAVE TO COME TO AN END.
09:36:33AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:36:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:36:35AM >> GOOD MORNING, KEELA McCASKILL.
09:36:42AM I DON'T HAVE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
09:36:44AM I WANTED TO COME THIS MORNING TO THANK CHIEF BENNETT -- HE
09:36:48AM IS NOT HERE -- BUT TO THANK HIM.
09:36:50AM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR COMING OUT TO
09:36:52AM SOME OF THE MEETINGS WE HELD THIS MONTH MAINLY IN NEBRASKA.
09:36:58AM I KNOW THEY ARE LIMITED IN STAFF WHEN IT COMES TO THE FIRE
09:37:02AM DEPARTMENT.
09:37:02AM LIMITED IN STAFF WHEN IT COMES TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
09:37:04AM BUT THEY TOOK THE TIME TO COME AND ADDRESS THE CONCERNS WITH
09:37:07AM THE HOMELESSNESS SITUATION ON NEBRASKA.
09:37:09AM SENT THEIR TEAMS OUT AMONG THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
09:37:13AM WE DEFINITELY NEED TO GET THEM SOME HELP BECAUSE THE ISSUE
09:37:18AM HAS GROWN.
09:37:19AM ADDRESS THE NEED AND EMBRACE THE COMMUNITY HOW TO MOVE IT
09:37:23AM FORWARD COLLECTIVELY.
09:37:24AM I AM COMING THOUGH IN ADDITION TO THAT WANTED TO ADDRESS.
09:37:26AM NOT TOO LONG AGO, CAME ALONG WITH SOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND
09:37:30AM THE CITY WAS -- OVER THE RAISE I THAT THEY WERE OFFER TO
09:37:35AM OTHER STAFF MEMBERS.
09:37:36AM WE DISCUSSED AMONG OURSELVES THAT OUR CITY COUNCILMEMBERS, A
09:37:39AM VERY ACTIVE GROUP, THAT INCLUDED COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09:37:42AM A VERY ACTIVE GROUP OF CITY COUNCILMEMBERS, QUOTE, UNQUOTE,
09:37:46AM IN A PART-TIME JOB IS NOT PAID A SALARY THE SAME OF OTHER
09:37:51AM CITIES THAT HAVE GROWN TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:37:53AM WE CAME AS CONCERNED CITIZENS SAYING, HEY, WE WANT OUR
09:37:57AM ACTIVE GROUP OF CITY COUNCILMEMBERS TO HAVE A SALARY THAT IS
09:38:01AM COMPARABLE TO OTHER AREAS SIMILAR.
09:38:03AM NOT A RAISE.
09:38:04AM JUST GET PAID FOR THE JOB THEY ARE DOING.
09:38:06AM IT IS NOT A PART-TIME JOB IF YOU ARE DOING IT RIGHT.
09:38:09AM IF YOU WERE DOING IT RIGHT, NOT A PART-TIME JOB.
09:38:12AM REQUIRES YOU TO READ, COMPREHEND, GET HERE, HEAR 12, 14-HOUR
09:38:17AM DAYS OF HEARING OUR CONCERNS.
09:38:18AM WE FELT THAT THE SALARY YOU ARE ON NOW ACCORDING TO HOUSING
09:38:23AM AND -- YOU QUALIFY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
09:38:26AM YOU QUALIFY FOR ASSISTANCE.
09:38:28AM WE WANT YOU TO HAVE A SALARY THAT ACTUALLY IS COMPARABLE TO
09:38:33AM OTHER AREAS THAT ARE PAID THAT.
09:38:35AM WHAT IS MORE BAFFLING.
09:38:36AM I AM NEW TO THE WHOLE POLITICAL SCENE.
09:38:39AM MADE IT TO THE BUDGET.
09:38:40AM I TRY TO FOLLOW.
09:38:41AM WE MADE THE RECOMMENDATION.
09:38:43AM MADE IT TO THE MAYOR'S BUDGET, BUT YET OUR RECOMMENDATION IS
09:38:46AM NOW A POLITICAL -- IT IS USED AS A BAT TO YOU ALL
09:38:50AM POLITICALLY.
09:38:50AM WE MADE THE REQUEST AND MADE IT TO THE MAYOR'S BUDGET AND
09:38:55AM BEATING SOME OF YOU UP FOR YOUR VOTE TO APPROVE MAYOR ON THE
09:39:00AM BUDGET -- I FEEL LIKE IT WAS A SET-UP AND THE COMMUNITY MADE
09:39:03AM A RECOMMENDATION AND MADE IT TO THE BUDGET WHICH SEEMED LIKE
09:39:07AM IT WAS GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND USED AS A BAT.
09:39:10AM I AM SORRY YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT.
09:39:12AM I STAND BEHIND A DECISION THAT YOU NEED A RAISE.
09:39:14AM NEEDS TO GO WHAT IS COMPARABLE IN OTHER MAJOR CITIES.
09:39:18AM I WANTED TO SAY THAT PUBLICLY BECAUSE OUR ASK PUBLICLY TO
09:39:22AM GIVE YOU THE RAISE -- THE INCREASE.
09:39:23AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:39:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:39:26AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I APPRECIATE THE YOUNG LADY COMING FORTH
09:39:29AM AND SAYING THAT.
09:39:30AM IT HAS BECOME POLITICAL.
09:39:32AM AND I AM GLAD THAT THE CITIZENS AREN'T FOOLS.
09:39:35AM I AM GLAD THAT THE CITIZENS SEE THE FOOLERY THAT GOES ON.
09:39:40AM WE NEVER ASKED FOR A RAISE.
09:39:41AM BUT WE KNOW THAT WE ARE NOT PAID LIKE OTHER CITIES ARE PAID
09:39:47AM IN THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT WE DO -- SOME OF US DO ON A DAILY
09:39:51AM BASIS DOESN'T CONSTITUTE A PART-TIME JOB.
09:39:54AM THE CHARTER DOESN'T SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT A PART-TIME JOB.
09:39:58AM SAY AS JOB.
09:39:59AM IT HAS BECOME AN ATTACK ON SOME COUNCILMEMBERS AND AGAIN I
09:40:03AM THANK THE COMMUNITY FOR UNDERSTANDING THE FOOLERY.
09:40:06AM I BELIEVE WE WERE BAMBOOZLED INTO THAT AND I STAND BY WHAT I
09:40:10AM ORIGINALLY VOTED FOR TO APPROVE THAT.
09:40:12AM AND I HOPE GOING FORWARD IN A FEW MONTHS TO OR SO, WE CAN
09:40:16AM APPROVE THAT AND DO WHAT THE CITIZENS ASK US TO DO.
09:40:19AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:40:24AM NATHAN HAGAN IN N.I.M.B.Y. TAMPA.
09:40:27AM RENTS IN TAMPA RISEN MORE THAN 50%.
09:40:30AM UNIQUELY BAD IN THE COUNTRY WHERE DOUBLE-DIGIT IN
09:40:36AM COMMONPLACE.
09:40:37AM TAMPA IS WORST IN THIS.
09:40:38AM THE FASTEST GROWING POPULATION IN THE CITY IN TAMPA IS OVER
09:40:41AM 65.
09:40:42AM THE AVERAGE RENTER SPENDS BETWEEN 50% TO 75% OF INCOME ON
09:40:47AM HOUSING, TRANSPORTATION.
09:40:48AM WE ARE IN A CRISIS.
09:40:49AM THIS SITTING CITY COUNCIL CAN'T BE BLAMED FOR CAUSING IT,
09:40:53AM BUT WE ONLY HAVE ONE CITY COUNCIL TODAY.
09:40:56AM EACH OF YOU LEAD IT.
09:40:57AM NO ESCAPING THE MORAL RESPONSIBILITY YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS
09:41:01AM THIS.
09:41:01AM YET IN TWO YEARS, I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS ISSUE THIS
09:41:04AM COUNCIL HAS ENACTED NOT A SEEMINGLY MEANINGFUL CHANGE TO
09:41:09AM HELP WITH THE SYSTEMIC PROBLEMS.
09:41:11AM LOBBYING YOU ALL, NO CHANCE FOR A CHANGE OF APPROACH TO
09:41:15AM HOUSING THAT WE WILL BUILD THE TENS AND THOUSANDS HOMES TO
09:41:20AM HOUSE OUR OLD NEIGHBORS AND IN YOU.
09:41:21AM RENT CONTROL WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING.
09:41:23AM USED TO BE VOTED ON IN DECEMBER AND THIS COUNCIL FAILED TO
09:41:26AM MANGE IT HAPPEN.
09:41:27AM OUR COMMUNITY LAND TRUST HAVE GONE NOWHERE.
09:41:29AM TENANT BILLS OF RIGHTS IS ESSENTIAL, GRATEFUL WE PASSED BUT
09:41:33AM A DROP IN THE BUCKET.
09:41:34AM RENTAL ASSISTANCE AND NO ONE WILL SUGGEST THAT WE WILL
09:41:37AM CHANGE OUR TRAJECTORY.
09:41:39AM I SAY ALL THIS BECAUSE I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK THERE IS A
09:41:42AM MISUNDERSTANDING.
09:41:42AM WEST RIVER IS AN IMPORTANT PROJECT BUT JUST A FEW HUNDRED
09:41:46AM UNITS.
09:41:46AM MEANWHILE, IT NOT DARE TO COUNT OUT MANY HOMES THAT UNDO
09:41:53AM THIS GOOD WORK.
09:41:54AM THE MAYOR'S 10,000 NUMBER IS NOT ENOUGH.
09:41:56AM TAMPA'S POPULATION GROWN BY 80,000 AND THE COUNTY BY
09:42:03AM 500,000.
09:42:03AM NEVER MIND PASCO.
09:42:05AM TO MEET OUR POTENTIAL, BE AWARE THAT THE NEXT 500,000 PEOPLE
09:42:10AM CAN LIVE WITHOUT DISPLACING THE PEOPLE HERE TODAY.
09:42:13AM THIS IS BECAUSE OF OUR COMP PLAN TO BE DISCUSSED THIS
09:42:17AM MORNING.
09:42:17AM CARE ABOUT TRANSPORTATION, PRESERVING TO OUR NATURAL SPACE,
09:42:20AM AND BUILDING A ROBUST COMPETITIVE ECONOMY.
09:42:23AM YOU SHOULD SEE THAT AND UNDERSTAND HOW WE HAVE -- WE HAVE
09:42:26AM FAILED TO PLAN AND THEREFORE PLANNED TO FAIL.
09:42:28AM THIS IS WHY ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION FAILED.
09:42:32AM THE MOST EXPENSIVE AREA IN THE COUNTRY ON TRANSPORTATION.
09:42:36AM WAGE AND PRODUCTIVITY IS LOW.
09:42:38AM AND FDOT PRIORITIZES THE SUBURBS.
09:42:44AM WHY OUR PLANET IS BURNING.
09:42:46AM WHY PEOPLE DIE EVERY DAY FROM TRAFFIC VIOLENCE IN OUR CITY.
09:42:49AM THIS IS WHY WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO FUND PUBLIC
09:42:52AM SAFETY.
09:42:53AM THIS YEAR, WHEN YOU LISTEN TO CITY STAFF DISCUSS OUR
09:42:56AM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
09:42:57AM UNDERSTAND THINGS HAVE TO CHANGE.
09:42:58AM IF NOT, YOU ARE ABANDONING YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND
09:43:03AM GUARANTEEING THAT TAMPA IS A WEALTHY SUBURB AND ST.
09:43:09AM PETE LEADS.
09:43:09AM TAMPA HAS ROOM FOR THE NEXT GENERATION.
09:43:11AM YOU JUST HAVE TO SAY YES, THANK YOU.
09:43:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. HAGAN.
09:43:17AM THERE IS AN ACRONYM THAT YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH.
09:43:20AM IF WE HAD MORE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THIS TOWN REFERRING
09:43:27AM TO YIMBY, WE MIGHT BE BETTER OFF.
09:43:29AM >> THANK YOU.
09:43:31AM >> HI.
09:43:36AM I LIVE IN ARMORY GARDENS WHICH LIVE IN WEST TAMPA.
09:43:39AM I HAVE SEEN FIRSTHAND THE IMPACT OF HOUSING CRISIS ON OUR
09:43:43AM COMMUNITY.
09:43:43AM MANY FAMILIES AND YOUNG PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING TO AFFORD
09:43:46AM HOUSING.
09:43:47AM LIKE NATHAN WAS SAYING, WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION TO ADDRESS
09:43:50AM THIS CRISIS.
09:43:51AM I LIVE IN A HISTORICALLY WORKING-CLASS NEIGHBORHOOD.
09:43:54AM ONLY LIVED THERE THREE YEARS.
09:43:57AM I COULD NOT AFFORD TO MOVE INTO MY NEIGHBORHOOD TODAY.
09:44:00AM WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED IN THIS
09:44:04AM NEIGHBORHOOD FOR GENERATIONS AND THEY ARE HAVING TO MOVE OUT
09:44:07AM BECAUSE OF THE INCREASES IN HOUSING COSTS.
09:44:10AM THINGS THAT YOU CAN'T CONTROL, LIKE THE INCREASE IN
09:44:13AM HOMEOWNER INSURANCE.
09:44:14AM WE ARE SEEING CURRENT RESIDENTS HAVE TO LEAVE BECAUSE THEY
09:44:18AM CAN NO LONGER AFFORD TO LIVE THERE, WHICH IS -- AND WE ARE
09:44:23AM SEEING FAMILY HOMES APPROACH $1 MILLION IN JUST A VERY SHORT
09:44:29AM PERIOD OF TIME.
09:44:30AM THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
09:44:31AM YOU LISTEN TO STAFF PRESENT ON OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN NOT
09:44:35AM JUST TODAY BUT EVERY TIME IT COMES UP, CONSIDER THE ROLE IT
09:44:38AM PLAYS IN CAUSING NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE MINE, MULTIFAMILY
09:44:43AM HOUSING IS LARGELY BANNED TO BE SO ATTAINABLE.
09:44:46AM WE NEED TO BUILD MORE HOMES AND MAKE THEM AFFORDABLE FOR
09:44:50AM EVERYONE.
09:44:50AM NOT JUST IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD BURR OAKWOOD PARK AND SOUTH ALL
09:44:55AM THE WAY TO GANDY.
09:44:56AM MEANS SMALLERS HOMES AND MORE DENSE DEVELOPMENTS AND RULES
09:45:00AM THAT ENCOURAGE IT.
09:45:01AM I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME PEOPLE MAY BE CONCERNED OF THE IMPACT
09:45:04AM OF NEW DEVELOPMENT ON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD; HOWEVER, I BELIEVE
09:45:07AM THAT RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT CAN BE DONE IN A WAY THAT
09:45:09AM BENEFITS EVERYONE.
09:45:10AM WE NEED GOOD DESIGN STANDARDS, NOT RULES THAT MAKE
09:45:13AM MULTIFAMILY HOUSING IMPOSSIBLE IT BUILD ALL TOGETHER.
09:45:16AM AND I AM CURRENTLY SURROUNDED BY HOMES THAT HAVE BECOME
09:45:20AM AIRBNBS BECAUSE PEOPLE WANTED TO BUILD MULTIFAMILY HOUSING
09:45:24AM THERE.
09:45:24AM THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO AND THE HOMES JUST SIT AND THEY
09:45:29AM BECOME FULL-TIME AIRBNBS.
09:45:30AM I URGE YOU TO CONSIDER UPDATING TO ARE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
09:45:34AM WITH PRO HOUSING POLICIES.
09:45:36AM IT IS TIME TO TAKE ACTION TO ADDRESS THE HOUSING CRISIS AND
09:45:39AM ENSURE THAT EVERYONE -- EVERYONE HAS ACCESS TO SAFE,
09:45:43AM AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
09:45:44AM THANK YOU.
09:45:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:45:46AM >> GOOD MORNING, BOBBY CREIGHTON.
09:45:54AM I LIVE IN YBOR HEIGHTS.
09:45:56AM I WANTED TO PROVIDE A DEFINITION FOR ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE
09:45:59AM WHO CAN'T FAMILIAR.
09:46:01AM EXCLUSIONARY ZONING.
09:46:02AM PLACES RESTRICTIONS ON THE TYPES OF HOMES TO BE BUILT IN
09:46:07AM PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOODS.
09:46:07AM MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS, MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE
09:46:11AM REQUIREMENTS AND PROHIBITION ON MULTIFAMILY HOMES, LIMITS ON
09:46:15AM THE HEIGHTS OF BUILDING AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
09:46:17AM TODAY, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT
09:46:20AM FUTURE LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS.
09:46:22AM GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT WE UNSHACKLE OUR CITY FROM THESE
09:46:25AM RESTRICTIONS TO STAND A CHANCE OFFING SUCCESSFUL IN THE
09:46:28AM FUTURE.
09:46:29AM THEY ARE RIGHT.
09:46:30AM REDRAW THE MAP TO ALLOW MISSING HOUSING IN OUR CITY AND
09:46:35AM OVERHAUL OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO GIVE THE RESIDENTS A
09:46:37AM CHANCE.
09:46:37AM EXCLUSIONARY ZONING NOT ONLY MEANS EXCLUSION OF CERTAIN
09:46:41AM TIMES OF HOUSING IN A NEIGHBORHOOD BUT ALSO PARTIALLY AN
09:46:44AM EXCLUSION OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD'S ABILITY TO SUPPORT ECONOMIC
09:46:47AM DEVELOPMENT AND COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES THAT ARE WITHIN
09:46:49AM WALKING DISTANCE FROM WHERE THEY LIVE.
09:46:51AM I LIVE IN YBOR HEIGHTS.
09:46:53AM NEBRASKA AVENUE RUNS THROUGH MY NEIGHBORHOOD FROM 26th
09:46:56AM AVENUE TO MLK.
09:46:58AM I HAD CONVERSATION OF THE PLANNING STAFF ABOUT NEBRASKA
09:47:00AM ,AND I LEARNED THAT BECAUSE THE RESIDENTIAL
09:47:03AM NEIGHBORHOODS SURROUNDING IT DON'T HAVE THE DENSITY TO
09:47:05AM SUPPORT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND LOTS ON NEBRASKA ARE TOO
09:47:08AM SMALL TO SUPPORT THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
09:47:11AM I'M FOR DEVELOPMENT TO BE THERE.
09:47:16AM EVEN MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
09:47:17AM THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND.
09:47:18AM OUR POLICIES ARE STIFLING GROWTH AND STRAINING LICK OUR
09:47:22AM NEIGHBORHOODS.
09:47:22AM LIKE MINE.
09:47:22AM AND WE WANT TO REALIZE A BETTER VISION FOR OUR FUTURE.
09:47:26AM I WANT TO LIVE IN A WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
09:47:28AM FOR THAT TO BE POSSIBLE, THAT MEANS THERE NEEDS TO BE PLACE
09:47:31AM IN MY COMMUNITY THAT I CAN SAFELY AND COMFORTABLY WALK TO.
09:47:35AM I HAVE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO SUPPORT
09:47:37AM BUSINESSES IN WALKING DISTANCE AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT ON
09:47:40AM NEBRASKA AVENUE.
09:47:40AM LET'S FIX THAT.
09:47:41AM MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS JUST ONE OF MANY IN EAST TAMPA.
09:47:44AM WE CAN OFFER DEVELOPERS A GREATER VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES
09:47:48AM TO BEST MAXIMIZE THE HOUSING IN EAST TAMPA.
09:47:52AM MORE PEOPLE AND MORE DOLLARS TO SUPPORT THE COMMERCIAL
09:47:57AM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WANT SO BADLY TO DO.
09:48:01AM AND MANY GRANTS, THE TENANT READY PROGRAM, BUSINESS MICRO
09:48:06AM GRANT, THE BUSINESS FOOD SERVICES GRANT, UPSTAIRS
09:48:09AM RESIDENTIAL CON VERSION AND BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT GRANTS AND
09:48:12AM THEY ARE ALL OUT RIGHT NOW.
09:48:13AM WHAT ARE WE WAIT FOR?
09:48:16AM NOW IS THE TIME TO ACT AND BREAK THE CYCLE IN EAST TAMPA.
09:48:19AM PEOPLE HAVE A HISTORY OF COMING TOGETHER IN TAMPA IN VERY
09:48:23AM UNIQUE WAYS AND WE HAVE A DUTY TO MAKE SURE THAT IS PART OF
09:48:28AM OUR FUTURE.
09:48:28AM IF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE KNOWS WE CAN GO INTO THE IS UP
09:48:33AM BUSHES FOR EVER.
09:48:34AM PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING AND CONSIDER SUPPORTING THE
09:48:37AM PLANNING COMMISSION'S POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR MISSING
09:48:41AM MIDDLE HOUSING SO OUR CITY CAN CONTINUE TO THRIVE.
09:48:44AM THANK YOU.
09:48:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:48:45AM >> GOOD MORNING, MITA MARTINEZ, ALSO KNOWN
09:48:58AM AT MIMI, CURRENT PRESIDENT OF YBOR HEIGHTS AND COORDINATOR
09:49:03AM FOR YBOR HEIGHTS.
09:49:04AM I'M HERE TO MENTION HOW IMPORTANT FOR OUR COMP PLAN TO AND
09:49:11AM UPDATES SUPPORTING HOUSING AND HOUSING DENSITY.
09:49:13AM SPECIFICALLY FOR YBOR HEIGHTS, A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO
09:49:17AM DEVELOP NEBRASKA CORRIDOR TO PROVIDE MORE HOUSING AND ALSO
09:49:21AM TO ATTRACT WHOLESOME BUSINESSES.
09:49:23AM CURRENTLY THE NEBRASKA, NO SECRET, INFAMOUS FOR HOMELESSNESS
09:49:28AM AND PROSTITUTES.
09:49:30AM THEY ARE EASY TARGETS BUT THE CONSEQUENCE WHAT HAS BEEN
09:49:34AM GOING ON WITH THE NEBRASKA.
09:49:35AM WE HAVE TWO SEX TRADE MOTELS.
09:49:37AM NO SECRET.
09:49:38AM EVERYBODY KNOWS THEY ARE THERE.
09:49:39AM WE HAVE LARGE AMOUNT OF BLIGHTED BUILDINGS ALONG NEBRASKA
09:49:43AM CORRIDOR AND VACANT LOTS THAT SERVE THE CURRENT RESIDENTS NO
09:49:48AM USE WHATSOEVER, NO PURPOSE.
09:49:49AM AT THE SAME TIME, WE ARE TRYING TO PROVIDE EXTRA HOUSING TO
09:49:52AM BRING PEOPLE IN.
09:49:53AM SO WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
09:49:54AM BECAUSE IF WE ARE GOING TO BRING IN MORE RESIDENTS AT THE
09:49:57AM SAME TIME WE HAVE TO ECONOMICALLY DEVELOP NEBRASKA CORRIDOR
09:50:02AM TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO THOSE RESIDENTS.
09:50:04AM CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, THE HOMEOWNERS IN THAT A NEIGHBORHOOD
09:50:09AM CAN'T GO DOWN NEBRASKA CORRIDOR FOR A CUP OF COFFEE, A SLICE
09:50:14AM OF PIZZA OR ICE CREAM HOME.
09:50:16AM WALGREEN'S LET'S OUR AREA SO NO PHARMACY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD
09:50:20AM RIGHT NOW.
09:50:21AM SO I JUST THINK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT CITY COUNCIL
09:50:24AM UNDERSTANDS THAT DO SUPPORT INCREASE IN HOUSING AND WE DO
09:50:29AM NEED TO KEEP PEOPLE HERE AND NOT DISPLACE THEM, BUT WE HAVE
09:50:33AM TO DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.
09:50:35AM IF WE ARE GOING TO KEEP BRINGING IN RESIDENCE, WE NEED TO
09:50:38AM PROVIDE A QUALITY OF LIFE TO WALK DOWN THE STREET AND
09:50:42AM NEBRASKA CORRIDOR AS A MAIN STREET FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
09:50:44AM PEOPLE CAN WALK AND BIKE DOWN THERE.
09:50:46AM RIGHT NOW IF WE GET RESIDENT TOP HEAVY AND NO BUSINESSES TO
09:50:50AM SUPPORT THOSE RESIDENTS KIND OF LIKE LOPSIDED.
09:50:57AM I ASK CITY COUNCIL TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
09:51:00AM SMALLER NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE YBOR HEIGHTS DON'T GET THAT MUCH
09:51:03AM ATTENTION.
09:51:04AM HOMEOWNERS THAT LIVE OFF OF THE NEBRASKA CORRIDOR.
09:51:07AM THEY WANT TO BE IN THIS AREA.
09:51:09AM NOT A TRUE TESTAMENT PEOPLE STAYING IN THE AREA.
09:51:13AM WE STILL LIVE THERE.
09:51:14AM WE KNOW WE HAVE TO DRIVE TO OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS AND WE
09:51:17AM CHOOSE TO BE THERE.
09:51:17AM WE ARE FIGHTING HARD AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO UPLIFT THE
09:51:22AM NEBRASKA CORRIDOR AND COMP PLAN AND LAND USE ZONING IS ONE
09:51:26AM TOOLS TO BRING US OUT.
09:51:28AM THANK YOU.
09:51:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:51:30AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY BROUGHT SOMETHING TO MY
09:51:33AM ATTENTION.
09:51:33AM IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WOULD LIKE TO GET THE CHIEF -- I WOULD
09:51:37AM LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IN REFERENCE TO THE TOW SITUATION THAT
09:51:41AM ANY RFP GOES OUT, THIS COUNCIL IS IN A WORKSHOP FOR
09:51:45AM INFORMATION BROUGHT BACK BEFORE ANYTHING MOVING FORWARD WITH
09:51:48AM THE TOW COMPANY.
09:51:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
09:51:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:51:53AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:51:55AM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
09:51:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
09:51:58AM MAY I?
09:52:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:52:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO
09:52:05AM MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO HAVE SOME SOME FINANCIAL BACKGROUND
09:52:12AM WHY THIS IS A GOOD IDEA TO PRIVATIZE INSTEAD OF KEEPING THIS
09:52:17AM IN HOUSE.
09:52:18AM I WOULD LIKE NUMBERS ATTACHED TO THIS REPORT.
09:52:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY.
09:52:27AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCILMAN GUDES, DO YOU WANT TO SEE -- THE
09:52:32AM CHIEF IS HERE.
09:52:32AM DO YOU WANT TO SEE HOW MUCH TIME HE NEEDS FOR IF TO COME
09:52:36AM BACK.
09:52:36AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: IF HE IS THERE, WE CAN ASK HIM.
09:52:39AM >> I WILL NEED SOME TIME TO HAVE THAT LISTENING SESSION AND
09:52:42AM GET THE FEEDBACK AND PREPARE AFTER THAT.
09:52:44AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: TWO MONTHS, THREE MONTHS.
09:52:46AM >> TWO MONTHS.
09:52:48AM 06 TO 90 DAYS.
09:52:51AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: 60 DAYS.
09:52:53AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU WANT THAT AS A STAFF REPORT.
09:52:57AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: NEED TO BE A WORKSHOP.
09:52:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: APRIL 27 IS THE WORKSHOP.
09:53:03AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
09:53:04AM MADAM CLERK, IS THAT GOOD, APRIL 27?
09:53:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT?
09:53:12AM .COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:53:13AM >>BILL CARLSON: CHIEF BERCAW, CAN I ASK YOU A QUICK
09:53:18AM QUESTION.
09:53:19AM FIRST, I SHOULD REMIND THE PUBLIC AGAIN, NOT SOMETHING HANDED
09:53:23AM BY CITY COUNCIL.
09:53:24AM PUBLIC COMMENT IS A CHANCE FOR THE PUBLIC TO GIVE CITY
09:53:28AM COUNCIL FEEDBACK ON OTHER THINGS HAPPENING IN THE
09:53:31AM ADMINISTRATION AND SOMETIMES WE CAN INTERVENE AND SOMETIMES
09:53:36AM WE CAN'T.
09:53:36AM CHIEF BERCAW, HOW IS A RFP HANDLED.
09:53:42AM YOU WENT THROUGH THIS OR CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION.
09:53:45AM >> I WILL HAVE MR. MORRIS COME UP AND SPEAK ON THAT.
09:53:55AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: MORRIS MASSEY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
09:53:58AM THE WAY IT WORKS THE REQUESTING DEPARTMENT IF THEY ARE IN
09:54:01AM NEED OF SERVICES, TO WORK THROUGH PURCHASING OR
09:54:05AM CONTRACT ADMIN TO CREATE AN RFP AND GOES OUT ON THE STREET
09:54:09AM AND PEOPLE BID AND SUBMIT PROPOSALS IN RESPONSE TO THAT
09:54:12AM REQUEST.
09:54:12AM EVALUATED INTERNALLY AND IF AN AWARD DECISION IS MADE BY THE
09:54:19AM ADMINISTRATION, THAT CONTRACT COMES TO COUNCIL.
09:54:21AM SOME THAT IS HOW THE PROCESS WORKS.
09:54:27AM >>THE POINT IS, IT IS NOT THE FAULT OF THE POLICE
09:54:29AM DEPARTMENT.
09:54:29AM AND I ASSUME THIS IS HANDLED IN CONTRACTED A IN LOGISTICS
09:54:33AM AND ASSET MANAGEMENT.
09:54:33AM WE HEARD PUBLIC COMMENT IN THE COMMUNITY.
09:54:35AM A LOT OF COMPLAINTS OF CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION.
09:54:37AM I ASKED PRIVATELY FOR THE CHIEF OF STAFF TO LOOK INTO THAT,
09:54:40AM AND HOPE THEY WILL TAKE A BROAD PERSPECTIVE ON THIS.
09:54:43AM THIS ON THE SERVICE SEEMS TO BE VERY ANTI-COMPETITIVE AND
09:54:47AM SEEMS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS DONE IN
09:54:50AM THE PAST.
09:54:51AM I HOPE THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WILL LOOK AT THIS AND FIX IT.
09:54:54AM >> UNDERSTOOD.
09:54:55AM OBVIOUSLY THE PROPOSAL HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN.
09:54:58AM NOTHING PENDING AT THIS TIME.
09:55:00AM JUST TO CLARIFY THAT FOR THE RECORD.
09:55:02AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MASSEY, IN 2019, I TALKED OF
09:55:09AM THESE RFPs.
09:55:09AM I KNOW THAT OTHER CITIES -- BEFORE ANY RFP GOING GOES OUT,
09:55:13AM IT GOES TO THE COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE -- KIND OF OVERVIEW AND
09:55:17AM LOOK WHAT IS THERE.
09:55:18AM SOME TYPE OF POLICY OR SOMETHING RESTRICTING THIS COUNCIL TO
09:55:21AM GET THOSE RFPs BEFORE THIS GOES UP.
09:55:24AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: NOT HOW OUR GOVERNMENT AND THE SYSTEM WORKS
09:55:26AM HERE.
09:55:27AM THE EXCEPTION IS IF THE RFP IS UTILIZING CRA DOLLARS, WE ARE
09:55:34AM OUR AGREEMENT -- BECAUSE CRA DOLLARS -- YOU ARE SITTING AS
09:55:38AM THE CRA -- BEFORE THE RFPs ARE PUT ON THE STREET.
09:55:43AM IF CRA DOLLARS ARE ALLOWED, YOU HAVE A WAY TO LOOK.
09:55:50AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: IS THIS IN OUR CONSTITUTION THIS COUNCIL TO
09:55:53AM DO THAT?
09:55:54AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: THE WAY THE CHARTER WORKS, THE MAYOR IS IN
09:55:57AM CHARGE OF ALL THE ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS.
09:56:00AM SHE CAN'T NOT ENTER -- THE MAYOR CANNOT ENTER INTO AN
09:56:03AM AGREEMENT WITHOUT YOUR APPROVAL AND THIS COMES TO YOU ALL.
09:56:05AM THE RFP, ALL OF THAT IS DONE ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE OF
09:56:11AM THE HOUSE IF THERE IS A CONTRACT AND IT COMES BEFORE YOU ALL
09:56:13AM AND YOU HEAR WHETHER YOU -- THE CONCERNS FROM PEOPLE.
09:56:15AM SO THERE IS NOTHING REALLY FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER AT THIS
09:56:19AM JUNCTURE.
09:56:20AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, I SEE YOU LOOKING THIS WAY.
09:56:23AM SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO SAY ON THAT, SIR?
09:56:25AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: A QUESTION HOW IT CAN BE STRUCTURED
09:56:28AM COUNCIL.
09:56:29AM WHAT I AM HEARING FROM COUNCIL IS YOU WISH TO KNOW -- RFPs
09:56:34AM ARE GENERALLY AVAILABLE ON LINE.
09:56:36AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: CORRECT.
09:56:37AM WHEN THE CITY PUTS OUT A RFP, THE PLATFORM'S NAME HAS
09:56:42AM CHANGED BUT USED TO BE CALLED DEMAND STAR.
09:56:44AM ALL CITY RFP AND BIDS APPEAR ON DEMAND STAR AND HOW IT IS
09:56:50AM PUBLICLY NOTICED FOR EVERYONE THAT THERE IS A PROPOSAL THAT
09:56:53AM THE CITY WANTS -- IS REQUESTING RESPONSES FOR OR A BID
09:56:59AM OUTSTANDING FOR.
09:57:00AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, I WANT TO HEAR WHAT HE HAS TO
09:57:03AM SAY.
09:57:04AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, SOUNDS LIKE TO ME, COUNCIL, BASED
09:57:07AM ON WHAT I HEARD, WITH REGARD TO THESE PROCESSES, YOU WILL
09:57:11AM LIKE TO BE INFORMED AT THE START OF THE PROCESS RATHER THAN
09:57:14AM BEING THE LAST PART OF THE PROCESS WITH AN UP OR DOWN VOTE
09:57:18AM WHEN THE CONTRACT IS BROUGHT TO YOU.
09:57:20AM PERHAPS WORKING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, WORKING WITH THE
09:57:23AM LEGAL DEPARTMENT, SOME MECHANISM CAN BE BROUGHT UP SO THERE
09:57:27AM IS A PROCESS YOU WOULD KNOW OF THIS RATHER THAN HAVING TO
09:57:30AM INDIVIDUALLY GO THROUGH A PROCESS I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH TO
09:57:33AM LOOK AT THE RFP.
09:57:35AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: LET ME SUGGEST -- I AM NOT AN EXPERT ON
09:57:37AM PURCHASING PER SE, AND CHIEF BENNETT IS -- IS OUT OF THE
09:57:42AM OFFICE AND CANNOT BE HERE TODAY.
09:57:44AM THESE ARE LARGER TYPE OF DISCUSSIONS.
09:57:47AM THEY ARE MAJOR CHANGES TO THE WAY WE OPERATE.
09:57:50AM I WOULD SUBJECT THESE ARE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE
09:57:53AM FOR THOSE FOLKS PRESENT, BECAUSE REALLY THAT'S --
09:57:57AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, CAN YOU KIND OF SEE WHAT SOME
09:58:02AM GUIDELINES ARE.
09:58:02AM THESE THINGS KEEP POPPING UP AND COUNCIL IS PUT IN THE
09:58:06AM MIDDLE AND THE END AND THE COMMUNITY THINKS WE ARE
09:58:08AM RESPONSIBLE.
09:58:08AM SO MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT HOW THE POLICY IS WRITTEN OR
09:58:12AM WHAT HAD THE CHARTER SAYS AND YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT
09:58:15AM AND SEE WHAT THIS COUNCIL MAY BE ABLE TO DO AND CHANGE
09:58:18AM SOMETHING.
09:58:18AM LOOK ABOUT GOING FORWARD WE CAN HAVE THE DISCUSSION BEFORE
09:58:23AM -- BEFORE AND THEN VERSUS AFTER AND HAVE THESE SITUATIONS.
09:58:30AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WILL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT, COUNCIL.
09:58:32AM IF THAT IS COUNCIL'S DIRECTION TO WORK WITH THE LEGAL
09:58:35AM DEPARTMENT, TOGETHER WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, JUST TO
09:58:37AM DISCUSS THE MATTER AND INFORM COUNCIL, I WILL ASK YOU DIRECT
09:58:40AM ME IN THE FORM OF A MOTION AND I WILL BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
09:58:43AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION AND I HOPE I
09:58:47AM GET A SECOND TO RESEARCH TO MAKE SURE WE ARE WORKING
09:58:50AM TOGETHER AND DON'T HAVE THESE KIND OF CIRCUMSTANCES.
09:58:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:58:56AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:59:00AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09:59:01AM ANY OPPOSED?
09:59:04AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DO YOU WANT IT TO COME BACK ON A PARTICULAR
09:59:06AM DATE?
09:59:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE HAVEN'T APPROVED ANOTHER MOTION.
09:59:10AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ANOTHER MOTION ON THE FLOOR?
09:59:11AM OH, I AM SORRY.
09:59:12AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: GO BACK AND APPROVE THE FIRST MOTION IN
09:59:15AM REFERENCE TO 60 DAYS FOR THE CHIEF.
09:59:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: APRIL 27.
09:59:19AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: APRIL 27.
09:59:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE GOT THAT DATE.
09:59:23AM THE MOTION WAS MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:59:25AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO WITH THE AMENDMENT FROM
09:59:29AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:59:29AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09:59:31AM ANY OPPOSED?
09:59:32AM MOTION CARRIES.
09:59:33AM SECOND ONE, I BELIEVE WE ALREADY MADE THE MOTION.
09:59:36AM COUNCILMAN GUDES AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON SECONDED.
09:59:41AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS TO COME BACK WITH INFORMATION
09:59:44AM REGARDING A PROCESS TO INFORM CITY COUNCIL AS OF REQUEST TO
09:59:49AM PROPOSALS FOR REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS EARLIER IN THE
09:59:55AM PROCESS IN SOME FORM OR MATTER.
09:59:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT TIME?
09:59:59AM HOW MUCH TIME?
10:00:01AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: A PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION.
10:00:02AM A BRIEF STAFF REPORT.
10:00:03AM HOWEVER SOON YOU WANT IT.
10:00:05AM AS SOON AS I CAN --
10:00:07AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: 60 DAYS FINE FOR YOU?
10:00:10AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WILL BE EVEN IF.
10:00:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A DEFINITE STATE.
10:00:15AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: APRIL 20.
10:00:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES FOR APRIL 20
10:00:22AM FOR THIS COME BACK.
10:00:23AM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:00:25AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST DO YOU WANT A
10:00:28AM PRESENTATION OR A WRITTEN REPORT.
10:00:30AM I WILL DO A WRITTEN REPORT AND.
10:00:34AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: PRESENTATION.
10:00:36AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY, THANK YOU.
10:00:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
10:00:39AM OPPOSED IN MOTION CARRIES.
10:00:41AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:00:43AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANTED TO ADD IN -- YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET
10:00:47AM UP, MORRIS -- FOR THE PUBLIC'S SAFE, A LOT OF RHETORIC,
10:00:51AM EVERY TIME WE TRY TO RE-ESTABLISH THE POWERS OF CITY COUNCIL
10:00:55AM SOMEBODY SAYS WE ARE TRYING TO TAKE AWAY THE POWERS OF THE
10:00:58AM MAYOR.
10:00:58AM CITY COUNCIL APPROVES BUDGETS AND CONTRACTS.
10:01:02AM FOUR YEARS OF AGREEMENTS WERE ILLEGALLY APPROVED BECAUSE OF
10:01:06AM A TWO-PARAGRAPH OPINION BY A CITY ATTORNEY.
10:01:10AM AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE HAS BEEN DONE AND NEED TO GET A
10:01:15AM HOLD OF THESE THINGS AND NOT LET PEOPLE CHANGE THE CHARTER.
10:01:18AM WHAT HAPPENS ON THE RFP, THE ROME YARD.
10:01:22AM THE MAYOR HAD A PRESS CONFERENCE ON ROME YARD AND SAID WE
10:01:25AM DECIDED TO WON THE RFP.
10:01:28AM CITY COUNCIL WAS NOT INFORMED AT ALL.
10:01:30AM AND TECHNICALLY, CITY COUNCIL HAS TO APPROVE THE CONTRACT.
10:01:33AM ONLY A YEAR LATER WITH A YEAR OF NEGOTIATION THAT WAS
10:01:36AM PRESENTED TO US PRESENTED AS A DONE DEAL.
10:01:41AM I WILL JUST ASK IN THIS REVIEW IF THE ADMINISTRATION MAKES A
10:01:46AM PRESS CONFERENCE OR STATEMENT THAT SOMEONE HAS BEEN AWARDED
10:01:49AM THE RFP, THAT IS ALMOST LIKE A VERBAL COMMITMENT AND CITY
10:01:58AM CAN'T GET AN AGREEMENT WITHOUT CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.
10:02:02AM I WILL ASK THAT WE CONSIDER CITY COUNCIL CERTAINLY SHOULD BE
10:02:05AM INFORMED ABOUT CERTAIN RFPs, ESPECIALLY POLICY CHANGES ARE
10:02:10AM INVOLVED UNDER THE PURSUE OF CITY COUNCIL AND HAVE TO BE
10:02:13AM AWARE OF RFPs OF A CERTAIN SIZE AND TYPE.
10:02:16AM BUT CERTAINLY, THE -- IF SOMEONE IS APPROVING -- QUOTE,
10:02:23AM UNQUOTE, APPROVING A RFP, THAT GOES AGAINST THE CHARTER OF
10:02:29AM THE POWERS OF CITY COUNCIL.
10:02:31AM WE IS NOW NEED TO CHANGE THAT BECAUSE GUEST THE IMPLICATION
10:02:36AM THAT CITY COUNCIL IS RUBBER STAMP WHICH OBVIOUSLY WE ARE
10:02:39AM NOT.
10:02:39AM THANK YOU.
10:02:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:02:41AM WE WILL GO BACK TO PUBLIC COMMENT ONLINE.
10:02:43AM MISS ALISON DAVIS, ARE YOU HERE?
10:02:49AM ARE YOU GOING TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:02:51AM >> YES, I WAS GOING TO WAIT UNTIL THE LAND USE.
10:02:55AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SHE CAN IF SHE WISHES.
10:02:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF YOU WOULD RATHER TO SPEAK TO THAT.
10:03:00AM >> THAT IS WHAT I DECIDED TO DO.
10:03:02AM >> LAWRENCE PERMACK.
10:03:05AM ARE YOU ONLINE?
10:03:08AM MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
10:03:10AM MR. RANDOLPH.
10:03:11AM >> CDC.
10:03:16AM I AM ALSO THE CEO OF THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE -- NATIONAL
10:03:23AM INSTITUTES -- NATIONAL INSTITUTION FOR STRATEGIC PLANNING,
10:03:28AM AS WELL AS INCENTIVE TO ON FROM PROFIT AND COMMUNITY
10:03:30AM DEVELOPMENT.
10:03:30AM I AM COMING TODAY WITH 30 YEARS MUCH EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH
10:03:37AM COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS NATION ALLY.
10:03:39AM I STARTED OUT AS A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER/COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT
10:03:45AM SPECIALIST.
10:03:45AM FROM THERE I WENT TO COMMUNITY PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT AND
10:03:49AM SPECIALIZE OF PUBLIC SAFETY, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AND
10:03:52AM BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT.
10:03:53AM FROM THERE, I WENT TO COMMUNITY STRATEGIC PLANNING AND
10:04:00AM COMMUNITY COMPREHENSIVE PROGRAM AND DISTRESSED NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:04:03AM IN TERMS OF TRAINING, NATIONALLY I HAVE BEEN TRAINED BY THE
10:04:09AM FOUNDATION WHICH IS THE LOCAL INITIATIVE WHO WILL SUPPORT
10:04:13AM CORPORATION AND AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY PARTNERS.
10:04:16AM COLLECTIVELY THEY ARE COMING IN THE UNITED STATES.
10:04:19AM LOCALLY, MY TRAINING INCLUDE USF AND THEIR COMMUNITY
10:04:24AM REDEVELOPMENT PROGRAM.
10:04:25AM I HAVE RECEIVED CERTIFICATION FROM THERE.
10:04:29AM I RECEIVE INFORMATION ON CERTIFICATE OF COMMUNITY VENDORS,
10:04:36AM DEVELOPMENT.
10:04:37AM FROM THERE, FLORIDA HOUSING CORPORATION AND BANK OF MARK.
10:04:42AM COMMUNITY BUSINESS -- SMALL BUSINESS ASSOCIATION AND.
10:04:48AM AND I CONTINUE TO SPEAK AT THE GRAPH PROGRAM THAT THE
10:04:54AM UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA, AS WELL AS JOHN HOPKINS UNIVERSITY.
10:04:57AM AS YOU SEE, I COME WITH A WEALTH OF EXPERIENCE IN TERMS OF
10:05:02AM COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
10:05:03AM OUR NEXT COMMUNITY MEETING IS GOING TO BE ON MARCH 16, WEST
10:05:10AM TAMPA CDC, TO TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY
10:05:15AM ENGAGEMENT.
10:05:15AM THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT
10:05:19AM OF INFORMATION FOR ME IN TERMS OF MY BACKGROUND.
10:05:22AM SO IF YOU CAN UNDERSTAND MY THINKING WHEN I COME ON TO TALK
10:05:27AM DIFFERENT PROGRAMS OR PROJECTS.
10:05:29AM AGAIN, THANK YOU.
10:05:30AM APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO.
10:05:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. PRIMACK.
10:05:36AM ARE YOU THERE?
10:05:39AM >> YEAH, AND THERE IS A -- THERE IS AN ATTORNEY THAT RUNS
10:05:44AM THAT.
10:05:44AM HIS NAME IS JASON BARE.
10:05:50AM IF YOU GOOGLE HIM, HE IS OUT OF FT. LAUDERDALE.
10:05:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HELLO?
10:06:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. PRIMACK, ARE YOU THERE?
10:06:06AM MR. PRIMACK, ARE YOU THERE?
10:06:09AM >> YES, I AM.
10:06:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU HAVE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:06:12AM YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
10:06:13AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
10:06:14AM I JUST WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL ON NUMBER 2 FOR CARVING OUT
10:06:20AM HARBOUR ISLAND.
10:06:22AM AND WE ARE A DIFFERENT COMMUNITY.
10:06:25AM AND THE REASON WE ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AND WE WOULD
10:06:29AM ASK THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER US DIFFERENT IF YOU DRIVE HOME
10:06:39AM TODAY AND GO ON BENEFICIAL DRIVE WHICH IS THE EAST BRIDGE
10:06:45AM AND ALSO ON NIGHTS RUN THAT YOU HEARD OF ONCE OR TWICE, YOU
10:06:51AM WILL SEE A BEAUTIFUL INSTALLATION OF TREES, FLOWERS,
10:06:54AM EVERYTHING GOING IN TO THE TUNE OF OVER $100,000.
10:06:57AM ALL RIGHT.
10:06:58AM WE PAID FOR THIS ON CITY PROPERTY OURSELVES.
10:07:02AM WE ARE GOING TO PAY FOR THE IRRIGATION.
10:07:05AM ALL RIGHT.
10:07:07AM WHEN IT COMES TO CARVING US OUT AND ZONING ISSUES, WE WANT A
10:07:13AM VOICE.
10:07:13AM WE WANT TO BE CONSIDERED SEPARATE THAN THE DOWNTOWN.
10:07:16AM ONE OF FEW GROUPS THAT WILL GET IN FRONT OF YOU THAT SAY WE
10:07:21AM WANT TO DO THIS AND PAY FOR IT OURSELVES.
10:07:23AM THAT IS ALL I WANT TO SAY AND THANK YOU FOR CARVING US OUT
10:07:27AM UNDER NUMBER 2.
10:07:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:07:30AM MISS POYNOR.
10:07:33AM MISS POYNOR IS NOT ON?
10:07:37AM MISS BENNETT.
10:07:38AM SHE IS NOT ONLINE EITHER.
10:07:40AM COUNCILMEMBERS, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN IN THE AUDIENCE.
10:08:30AM LADIES AND GENTLEMEN THAT ARE WATCHING US, IT IS OFTEN SAID
10:08:37AM THAT SPORTS BUILD CHARACTER.
10:08:39AM I SAY SPORTS REVEALS IT.
10:08:41AM TODAY, WE HAVE A MAN SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW THAT HE IS A
10:08:49AM QUARTERBACK FOR THE TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS.
10:08:51AM AND HIS CHARACTER WAS REVEALED ON DECEMBER 29, 2022 WHEN
10:09:00AM THERE WAS A HELICOPTER CASH OFF OF DAVIS ISLAND WHERE HE AND
10:09:08AM HIS BROTHERS ON PERSONAL FLOTATION DEVICES -- JET SKIS --
10:09:14AM THERE YOU GO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:09:15AM THAT WOULD BE AWFULLY HARD IN LIFE PRESERVERS -- WENT AND
10:09:21AM RESCUED FOUR PEOPLE THAT WERE TRAPPED IN THE WATER FROM THIS
10:09:25AM HELICOPTER CRASH AND I FELT IT WAS NECESSARY TO PRESENT MR.
10:09:34AM BLAINE GABBERT WITH A COMMENDATION FOR HIS HEROIC ACTS.
10:09:40AM AND I ALSO HAVE COMMENDATIONS FOR BRETT AND TYLER, HIS
10:09:45AM BROTHERS WHO WERE THERE TO HELP SAVE FOUR LIVES.
10:09:48AM AND I AM JUST GOING TO READ THIS, BUT I WANT YOU TO SPEAK TO
10:09:52AM PEOPLE AND GIVE US YOUR WORDS.
10:09:54AM TAMPA CITY COUNCIL RECOGNIZES THE HEROIC EFFORTS OF BLAINE,
10:09:59AM TYLER AND BRETT GABBERT.
10:10:01AM AFTER A HELICOPTER CASH ON THE AFTERNOON ON DECEMBER 29,
10:10:06AM 2022.
10:10:06AM YOUR QUICK THINKING AND BRAVERY SAVED THE LIVES OF FOUR
10:10:12AM PEOPLE AND TESTAMENT TO YOUR DEVOTION TO YOUR FELLOW MAN.
10:10:17AM YOU ARE FAMILIAR AT WITH WATER SAFETY COUPLED WITH YOUR
10:10:22AM COURAGE TO THE SUCCESSFUL RESCUE, EXCUSE ME, OF THE HUCK
10:10:29AM FAMILY HUPP FAMILY AND THE PILOT.
10:10:34AM OUR PLEASURE OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL TO HONOR YOU AND YOUR
10:10:38AM BROTHERS WITH THIS COMMENDATION ON THE 23rd DAY OF FEBRUARY,
10:10:44AM 2023.
10:10:44AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR BRAVERY.
10:10:45AM THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DID FOR THESE PEOPLE.
10:10:49AM >> APPRECIATE THAT.
10:10:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MY FRIEND.
10:10:51AM [APPLAUSE]
10:10:56AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBERS FOR ALL YOU GUYS DO.
10:11:00AM CITY OF TAMPA IS GREAT AND MY WIFE AND YOUNG DAUGHTER WILL
10:11:04AM CALL IT OUR PERSONAL INNOCENT HOME.
10:11:05AM THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR CITY.
10:11:08AM IT IS AWESOME.
10:11:09AM THANK YOU.
10:11:09AM [APPLAUSE]
10:11:10AM WE HOP TO -- HAPPEN TO BE IN THE RIGHT AT THE RIGHT TIME.
10:11:17AM WE DID OUR SMALL PART IN THAT RESCUE AND HOPE THAT ANY
10:11:20AM COMMUNITY WOULD DO THE SAME THING.
10:11:21AM MOST IMPORTANTLY THANK THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, POLICE
10:11:25AM DEPARTMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENT.
10:11:26AM WITHOUT YOUR GUYS' ROLE IN THAT, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT WOULD
10:11:33AM END UP.
10:11:33AM THEY ALL LED AND.
10:11:36AM I APPRECIATE THAT.
10:11:38AM MY BROTHERS APPRECIATE THAT.
10:11:40AM THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.
10:11:41AM THIS IS MY WIFE, BECCA, AND THE LITTLE LADY.
10:11:47AM A TROOPER SITTING HERE HANGING OUT.
10:11:49AM SO WE MADE TAMPA HOME.
10:11:51AM THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU GUYS DO IN KEEPING THIS COMMUNITY WHAT
10:11:54AM IT SHOULD BE AND WHAT IT IS.
10:11:55AM >> BLAINE, I THINK A FEW OTHER PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME OVER
10:11:59AM AND MAKE COMMENTS.
10:12:00AM STAND OVER HERE AND GIVE THEM THE PODIUM FOR A SECOND.
10:12:04AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, CITY STAFF.
10:12:09AM MR. GABBERT, ON BEHALF OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THANK YOU
10:12:14AM SAVED A LIFE.
10:12:15AM WE HAVE SOME SWAG BAGS HERE FOR YOU AND YOUR BROTHERS.
10:12:18AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:12:19AM >> WE INVITE TO YOU COME TO THE TAMPA PD 5K ON US FOR YOU
10:12:25AM AND YOUR FAMILY.
10:12:26AM >> WOULD LOVE THAT.
10:12:27AM THANK YOU.
10:12:28AM [APPLAUSE]
10:12:33AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMEMBERS, TAMPA POLICE.
10:12:36AM GOOD TO SEE.
10:12:38AM I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT DAY WITHOUT YOUR QUICK THINKING, THAT
10:12:43AM OUTCOME WOULD HAVE BEEN SEVERELY DIFFERENT.
10:12:45AM WE ARE THANKFUL TO HAVE YOU THERE AND EXTEND YOUR
10:12:50AM APPRECIATION.
10:12:50AM AND OUR CHIEF HERE AS WELL.
10:12:53AM AND WHEN YOU LEAVE HERE, KNOWING THAT YOU NOT ONLY HAVE
10:12:56AM FAMILIES ON LAND BUT NOW HAVE A FAMILY ON THE WATER.
10:12:59AM >> APPRECIATE IT.
10:13:01AM [APPLAUSE]
10:13:04AM >> CORPORAL KING WITH THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SHERIFF'S
10:13:08AM OFFICE MARINE UNIT.
10:13:09AM WE APPRECIATE YOUR HELP.
10:13:10AM WE GET PAID TO DO THIS AND HE DID IT ON HIS OWN.
10:13:14AM ANY TIME YOU WANT TO COME OUT AND BOAT.
10:13:17AM >> WOULD LOVE TO.
10:13:18AM [APPLAUSE]
10:13:19AM >> STEVEN HOOPS WITH THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SHERIFF'S
10:13:22AM OFFICE.
10:13:22AM ON BEHALF OF SHERIFF, THANK YOU FOR LETTING US PARTICIPATE
10:13:26AM IN COMMENDATION TO RECOGNIZE SIZE BLAINE GABBERT.
10:13:30AM THE WORK WE DO WITH TAMPA POLICE, FIRE AND HILLSBOROUGH
10:13:33AM COUNTY FIRE.
10:13:34AM HAVE GREAT EQUIPMENT.
10:13:36AM 24-7 OPERATION.
10:13:37AM HE BEAT US TO THE PUNCH.
10:13:39AM THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DID STEPPING UP TO THE PLATE WITH
10:13:41AM YOUR HEROIC ACTIONS.
10:13:44AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:13:44AM [ APPLAUSE ]
10:13:47AM >>LEE BERCAW: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:13:49AM INTERIM CHIEF LEE BERCAW.
10:13:54AM I DON'T NEED TO SAY MY NAME TEN TIMES A DAY.
10:13:58AM BLAINE, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.
10:14:00AM WE HOPE EVERYBODY WOULD DO THE SAME IN THAT SITUATION, BUT
10:14:04AM YOU SAVED LIVES.
10:14:05AM WE ARE SOFUL.
10:14:07AM THE COMMUNITY IS GRATEFUL.
10:14:09AM I GAVE YOU A HAT AND TWO HATS FOR YOUR BROTHERS AND A
10:14:12AM CERTIFICATE TO MAKE SURE YOU COME AND RIDE WITH US ON MARINE
10:14:15AM PATROL.
10:14:16AM >> THANK YOU.
10:14:17AM [APPLAUSE]
10:14:19AM >> CHAIR PRO TEM, COUNCIL.
10:14:21AM >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR
10:14:24AM BROTHERS FOR SUCH A HEROIC ACT.
10:14:26AM THANK YOU TO OUR PUBLIC SAFETY FOLKS WHO HELPED.
10:14:30AM AND THANK YOU TO THE BUCS FOR HIRING PEOPLE WITH GREAT
10:14:36AM VALUE.
10:14:37AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE WORK DO
10:14:39AM PROFESSIONALLY AND INDIVIDUALLY.
10:14:41AM GOOD TO HONOR YOU HERE TODAY.
10:14:43AM WE KNOW THAT ALL OF TAMPA SUPPORTS THIS 100%.
10:14:46AM THANK YOU.
10:14:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING.
10:14:48AM A VERY HEROIC EFFORT WITH YOU AND YOUR BROTHERS.
10:14:57AM WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE DONE.
10:14:59AM GLAD YOU CAME DOWN HERE SO WE AND THE PUB CAN ACKNOWLEDGE
10:15:04AM NEW ALL OF THIS.
10:15:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK: ALSO I WANT TO ECHO THE THANKS.
10:15:07AM REALLY THANKS FOR BEING THE KIND OF PERSON THAT STOPS.
10:15:11AM A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD JUST KEPT GOING.
10:15:13AM SO THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES TO YOU AND YOUR VALUES AND WE ARE
10:15:19AM REALLY THRILLED YOU ARE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY AND I WANT TO
10:15:23AM THANK YOU FOR BRINGING YOUR ADORABLE DAUGHTER AND YOUR
10:15:25AM LOVELY WIFE TODAY.
10:15:26AM SHE HAS BEEN JUST REALLY FUN TO WATCH.
10:15:28AM NICE TO HAVE SOME YOUTH IN THE AUDIENCE.
10:15:31AM SO THANK YOU.
10:15:33AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: GUIDO, WHERE DID HE GET THAT TWO-PIECE
10:15:42AM SUIT.
10:15:42AM I LOVE THAT COLOR.
10:15:43AM GET A PICTURE OF THAT GUY'S SUIT.
10:15:45AM I LOVE THAT SUIT, MAN.
10:15:46AM A PERSON WHO HAS BEEN A FIRST RESPONDER AND GETTING TO THE
10:15:50AM SCENES WHERE PEOPLE ARE STANDING AROUND LOOKING.
10:15:52AM YOU DIDN'T DO THAT.
10:15:53AM YOU AND YOUR FAMILY JUMPED INTO ACTION.
10:15:55AM YOU DIDN'T LET FEAR DETER YOU.
10:15:57AM YOU WENT INTO FIGHT MODE.
10:15:59AM AND YOU WERE ABLE TO DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO HELP THAT
10:16:02AM FAMILY INTO THE FOR THE FIRST RESPONSE TO GET THERE WITH THE
10:16:07AM PROPER EQUIPMENT.
10:16:07AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS.
10:16:08AM THANK YOU A TO YOU AND YOUR BROTHERS AND GRATEFUL TO HAVE
10:16:12AM YOU HERE AND PART OF THE BUCCANEER STAFF.
10:16:14AM MR. CARLSON SAID YOU HIRE GREAT PEOPLE TO DO GREAT THINGS.
10:16:20AM APPRECIATE FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.
10:16:22AM >> THANK YOU FOR RECOGNITION.
10:16:23AM I APPRECIATE IT.
10:16:24AM THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU GUYS DO.
10:16:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:16:29AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: CAN WE GET A PHOTO WITH MR. GABBERT.
10:16:32AM >> SURE, LET'S GET UP THERE.
10:17:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
10:17:53AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:17:54AM WE WILL GO TO ITEM NUMBER 2.
10:17:56AM WE HAVE FOLKS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION HERE TODAY WITH A
10:17:58AM PRESENTATION.
10:17:59AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMEMBERS, MELISSA DICKENS, PLANNING
10:18:13AM COMMISSION STAFF.
10:18:13AM WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO SHARE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS WITH YOU
10:18:16AM TODAY.
10:18:16AM WE ARE PLEASED TO INTRODUCE ALAN STEINBECK, WHO IS OUR
10:18:22AM CONSULTANT ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO MODIFICATION TO THE
10:18:24AM FUTURE LAND USE SECTION.
10:18:26AM THIS IS A RESULT OF ABOUT TEN MONTHS OF DATA ANALYSIS,
10:18:33AM LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY TO STAKEHOLDERS, CITY STAFF.
10:18:39AM OUR STAFF ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS AND WE ARE VERY
10:18:42AM PLEASED TO BE ABLE TO SHARE THIS WITH YOU TODAY FOR YOUR EN
10:18:45AM PUT.
10:18:45AM WE ALSO WANTED TO SHARE -- FOR ANYONE WHO IS LISTENING,
10:18:51AM THERE IS OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO PROVIDE INPUT ON THE DETAILS
10:18:55AM OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
10:18:57AM AFTER WE HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK, WE WILL BE GOING BACK OUT TO
10:19:00AM THE COMMUNITY TO PRESENT MORE DETAILS.
10:19:02AM GET ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK AND WE WANT TO THANK EVERYONE WHO
10:19:06AM HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS WHO COME OUT TO THE
10:19:09AM MEETINGS WHO ARE HERE TODAY.
10:19:10AM WE APPRECIATE THE INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY.
10:19:14AM WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO ALAN.
10:19:17AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:19:18AM ALAN STEINBECK TO PSG.
10:19:22AM A CONSULTANT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WORKING ON
10:19:25AM BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY.
10:19:26AM AND WORKING AS AN OUTSIDE ADVISOR BUT A FACILITATOR AND
10:19:30AM LISTENER.
10:19:30AM I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THESE POLICING SESSIONS THAT ARE
10:19:35AM REFERRED TO.
10:19:35AM I WAS ENCOURAGED VERY MUCH TO BRING INNOVATION AND STRONG
10:19:39AM IDEAS TO THE TABLE AND WE TRIED TO DO THAT AS ADVISORS TO
10:19:42AM THIS COMMUNITY.
10:19:46AM BUT ALSO TO BE PART OF THE TEAM AND HELP FACILITATE GOOD
10:19:50AM DECISION MAKING OF THOSE WHO ARE INVOLVED LISTEN TO THE
10:19:54AM STAKEHOLDERS, LISTENING TO STAFF AND YOU ALL TO TRY TO COME
10:19:58AM UP SOMETHING THAT WILL WORK FOR THE NEXT MANY YEARS AS THIS
10:20:01AM PLAN GETS UPDATED AND IMPROVED.
10:20:04AM THE PURPOSE OF OUR ASSESSMENT TO LEARN HOW THE LAND USE
10:20:12AM CATEGORIES AND POLICIES HAVE BEEN WORKING TOWARD THE GOALS
10:20:14AM OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL AS THE VISION FOR THE 2045
10:20:18AM UPDATE THAT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED.
10:20:19AM THIS EFFORT IS PART OF THE LIVE GROW THRIVE 2045 PLAN TAMPA
10:20:24AM UPDATE.
10:20:25AM AND IT IS A SUBSET OF THE LARGER PROJECT THAT IS GOING ON.
10:20:29AM I AM ONLY WORKING ON LAND USE ASSESSMENT AT THE MOMENT, BUT
10:20:33AM WE ARE WORKING ACROSS AGENCIES.
10:20:34AM I WANTED TO GIVE A SPECIAL THANKS TO THE CITY STAFF
10:20:38AM INVOLVED.
10:20:38AM WE HAD SEVERAL WORKING GROUP MEETINGS WITH PLANNING
10:20:41AM COMMISSION STAFF AND CITY STAFF.
10:20:42AM SOME VERY OTHERWISE BUSY PEOPLE HAVE CARVED OUT TIME TO WORK
10:20:47AM WITH US ON THESE ISSUES AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE
10:20:50AM ENGAGEMENT WE HAD WITH THE CITY.
10:20:51AM THE VISION FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED
10:20:56AM AND BASED ON A FIRST WAVE OF PUBLIC INPUT WHERE THERE IS
10:20:59AM OVER 1500 RESPONSES TO SURVEYS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
10:21:03AM THAT VISION STATEMENT IS TAMPA IS AN INCLUSIVE, SUSTAINABLE
10:21:07AM AN RESILIENT CITY WITH THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENTS, HISTORIC
10:21:10AM CHARACTER, AND A DIVERSITY OF CULTURES IN A NEIGHBORHOOD
10:21:14AM ENVIRONMENT SETTING FOR ALL.
10:21:15AM THAT IS THE VISION FOR THE FUTURE AND MANY SUBSETS OF THAT
10:21:19AM AND GOALS OF HOW WE ACHIEVE THAT OVER TIME.
10:21:22AM THE LAND USE ASSESSMENT BUILDS OFF OF THAT, AND THREE
10:21:30AM ASPECTS: A TECHNICAL EVALUATION WHERE WE LOOKED AND DID SOME
10:21:34AM DATA CRUNCHING, LOOKING AT TRENDS, FORECASTS, THE CITY'S
10:21:39AM CAPACITY AND LAND CAPACITY, AND NEW PERFORMANCE MEASURES TO
10:21:43AM UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING AND WHAT WORK HAS TO HAPPEN AND
10:21:45AM WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS OF THAT.
10:21:47AM WE DID EXTENSIVE LISTENING AND WORKING GROUPS WITH
10:21:50AM STAKEHOLDERS INCLUDING T.H.A.N., THE TAMPA BAY BUILDINGS
10:21:55AM ASSOCIATION AND ADVISORY MEMBER OF THE CRA.
10:21:57AM A PUBLIC MEETING THAT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL.
10:22:00AM HAD 100 PEOPLE TO SHOW UP TO GIVE US FEEDBACK WHILE WE WERE
10:22:04AM DOING THAT.
10:22:05AM THIS PHASE WE ARE IN NOW, THE POLICY CONCEPTS AND
10:22:08AM RECOMMENDATIONS WHERE IT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND USE
10:22:14AM POLICIES ARE BEING ASSESSED AND POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT
10:22:18AM WILL BE MADE THAT WE ARE GOING TO SHARE SOME OF THAT WITH
10:22:20AM YOU TODAY.
10:22:20AM FROM THE TECHNICAL EVALUATION, SEVERAL FINDINGS.
10:22:24AM OVER TIME, TAMPA WILL SEE A SHIFT IN ITS HOUSING MIX.
10:22:30AM 60 PERCENT SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSING AND WILL BECOME 60%
10:22:36AM MULTIFAMILY OR ATTACHED HOUSING IN THE FUTURE.
10:22:39AM TRANSITION FROM THE CITY DOMINATED BY THE HOUSE TO ONE THAT
10:22:42AM WILL HAVE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE LIVING IN OTHER TYPES OF
10:22:47AM HOUSING IN THE FUTURE.
10:22:48AM VERY LIMITED AMOUNT OF LAND POSSIBLE NEW HOUSING IN GENERAL.
10:22:52AM ALMOST NO VACANT DEVELOPABLE LAND.
10:22:57AM ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL OCCUR WITH INFILL
10:23:01AM REDEVELOPMENT THAT HAS ITS OWN SET OF CHALLENGES AND
10:23:04AM OPPORTUNITIES.
10:23:04AM HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AND AVAILABILITY.
10:23:07AM I DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT TOPIC IS WELL
10:23:10AM INTRODUCED IN THIS COMMUNITY BUT WE DID IDENTIFY THE ISSUE
10:23:14AM OF AVAILABILITY OF FAMILY HOUSING IN PARTICULAR.
10:23:16AM IF YOU THINK OF THE NEW HOUSING BEING BUILT.
10:23:19AM SMALLER AND VERY FEW BEDROOMS AND NOT BUILDING QUITE AS MUCH
10:23:24AM HOUSING IN OUR COMMUNITY WITH ONE OF OUR FINDINGS.
10:23:27AM A NEED FOR MORE DENSITY TO ACCOMMODATE PROJECT TYPES BEING
10:23:30AM PROPOSED.
10:23:31AM WE SEE THIS WITH PEOPLE IN THE BUSINESS OF DEVELOPMENT AND
10:23:34AM DID SOME LISTENING THAT THEY NEEDED FLEXIBILITY RELATIVE TO
10:23:39AM THE DENSITIES AND INTENSITIES WITHIN THE CURRENT LAND USE
10:23:42AM PLAN.
10:23:43AM THAT IS ONE OF THE FINDINGS THAT WE HEARD.
10:23:45AM LIMITED DEMAND FOR NEW OFFICE AND RETAIL.
10:23:49AM THE NATURE OF HOW WE WORK AND BUY THINGS HAVE BEEN
10:23:52AM TRANSFORMED OVER THE PAST TEN YEARS.
10:23:53AM THE FUTURE DEMAND FOR OFFICE WHICH WE ARE OVERBUILT IN WILL
10:23:58AM BE LIMITED FOR A LITTLE WHILE, ALSO AS WELL AS RETAIL.
10:24:02AM OUR MIXED USE AREAS ARE BECOMING MORE RESIDENTIAL.
10:24:04AM A POLICY GOAL THAT GOES BACK A LONG TIME WITH THE PLANNING
10:24:07AM COMMISSION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD LIVING DISTRICTS WHERE
10:24:12AM YOU CAN LIVE IN THE CITY IN THE CENTRAL DISTRICTS OF THE
10:24:15AM CITY AND HAVE MIXED USE AREAS WHERE PEOPLE LIVE, WORK AND DO
10:24:18AM BUSINESS DURING THE DAY AND WE FOUND THAT POLICY INITIATIVE
10:24:24AM IS WORKING.
10:24:24AM MOST OF THE CITY'S MAJOR DISTRICTS ARE MUCH MORE RESIDENTIAL
10:24:28AM AND HAVE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGE OVER THE LAST TEN TO 15 YEARS.
10:24:31AM THE CITY IS BECOMING MORE EFFICIENT.
10:24:35AM WHEN I SAY THAT, I MEAN THAT THE LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION
10:24:39AM ACCESSIBILITY ISSUES ARE REALLY STARTING TO SHOW BENEFITS.
10:24:45AM STILL PEOPLE.
10:24:46AM EVERYONE THAT SHOWS UP TO TAMPA DOES A LOT OF DRIVING BUT
10:24:49AM DOES LESS DRIVING PER CAPITAL THAN THEY DID BEFORE BECAUSE
10:24:52AM PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN ARRANGEMENTS WHERE THEY HAVE TO DRIVE
10:24:56AM SHORTER DISTANCES, DRIVE YES AND PROVIDING ALTERNATIVE MODES
10:25:00AM OF TRANSPORTATION AS WELL.
10:25:00AM COMMUNITY VALUES THAT WE HEARD -- THAT THE PLANNING
10:25:09AM COMMISSION HEARD IN FIRST WAVE OF THIS PROCESS AND WHAT WE
10:25:13AM HEARD IS COMMUNITY CRA, IS IMPORTANT TO TAMPA.
10:25:16AM TAMPA IS ONE OF THE UNIQUE PLACES IN TERMS OF CULTURE,
10:25:19AM DIVERSITY, AND HISTORY.
10:25:22AM AND PEOPLE VALUE THAT VERY MUCH.
10:25:23AM NOT JUST THE CULTURE BUT TAMPA'S PLACES AND NEIGHBORHOODS
10:25:26AM AND WHAT THEY REPRESENT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.
10:25:30AM QUALITY OF LIFE IS IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE.
10:25:32AM NEIGHBORHOODS ARE INHABITING A TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.
10:25:36AM PEOPLE ARE WANTING BETTER WHEN IT COMES TO THAT BUT ALSO
10:25:39AM HAVING ACCESS IN TERMS OF BEING TO LIVE NEAR YOUR JOB AND
10:25:43AM HAVE ACCESS TO OPPORTUNITY PEOPLE OF TAMPA WANT
10:25:49AM COMPATIBILITY OF DEVELOPMENT.
10:25:50AM AND PEOPLE WHO ARE WELL-VERSED OF ACTIVISTS WHO UNDERSTAND
10:25:55AM THE PROCESSES OF THE CITY AND WE APPRECIATE THEIR TIME IN
10:26:00AM ASSESSING THIS ISSUE AND WHAT THAT MEANS TO THEM.
10:26:03AM IN A SENSE OF STEWARDSHIP, TAMPA IS A PLACE THAT VALUES
10:26:07AM SUSTAINABILITY, EQUITY AND RESILIENCE AND THOSE SORT OF
10:26:11AM ISSUES, PEOPLE VALUE HAVING THEM INTEGRATED AND HOW TO
10:26:15AM IMPROVE DEVELOPMENT.
10:26:16AM I AM GOING TO SHOW YOU SOME EXAMPLES OUR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT
10:26:22AM AND WENT OUT AND ASKED THESE QUESTIONS.
10:26:24AM INTERACTIVE SESSIONS WITH PEOPLE WHERE WE ASKED THEM -- GAVE
10:26:29AM THEM SOME THINGS TO PRIORITIZE.
10:26:30AM WE ASKED THE QUESTION WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT BENEFITS OF
10:26:33AM NEW DEVELOPMENT AND HOUSING SUPPLY AND AFFORDABILITY WAS THE
10:26:36AM FIRST CHOICE OF THE THINGS WE OFFERED AS OPTIONS FOLLOWED BY
10:26:40AM NEIGHBORHOOD AND LOCAL ACCESS TO GOODS AND SERVICES.
10:26:51AM ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS WHAT IS THE MOST PROBLEMATIC IMPACTS OF
10:26:55AM NEW DEVELOPMENT.
10:26:55AM TRANSPORTATION.
10:26:57AM LACK OF CONNECTIVITY AND SUPPORT OF TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
10:27:00AM AND ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC CONGESTION.
10:27:02AM THIRD CHOICE WAS GENTRIFICATION AND NEIGHBORHOOD
10:27:05AM DESTABILIZATION.
10:27:07AM WE ASKED WHEN TRYING TO ENSURE COMBAT WITH EXISTING
10:27:15AM NEIGHBORHOODS.
10:27:15AM WHICH ARE THE FOLLOWING ARE MOST IMPORTANT?
10:27:18AM FIRST PLACE WAS COMPATIBILITY OF USES.
10:27:20AM IS SOMEONE BUILDING SOMETHING NEXT TO WHERE I LIVE THAT IS
10:27:23AM AN APPROPRIATE USE WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
10:27:26AM NOT SO MUCH SIZE NECESSARILY BECAUSE THAT IS IMPORTANT BUT
10:27:34AM THE USE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE ANSWER.
10:27:37AM FINALLY FROM THIS LINE OF QUESTIONING, HOW IMPORTANT TO
10:27:40AM INNOCENT SLIDE THE FOLLOWING IN OUR LAND USE POLICIES AND WE
10:27:44AM WANT TO THINK EARLY ON ABOUT INCENTIVES.
10:27:47AM WE MADE IT CLEAR WE WERE GOING TO DO THAT AND PEOPLE VALUED
10:27:52AM EVERYTHING THAT BE PROPOSED BUT TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT
10:27:56AM OF THINGS IMPORTANT TO THEM TO INCENTIVIZE.
10:28:00AM WE ALSO HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC OF SOME ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT
10:28:03AM WITH RESPECT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, HAVING POLICIES AND
10:28:09AM REGULATIONS EASIER TO UNDERSTAND AND USE TRUE OF
10:28:12AM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ALSO A THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
10:28:14AM IN PARTICULAR, HOW THEY WORK TOGETHER, AND PEOPLE CALLED FOR
10:28:17AM A BETTER ALIGNMENT BETWEEN THOSE TWO THINGS IN TERMS OF HOW
10:28:25AM PROJECTS ARE VEE VIEWED IN THE LENS OF THOSE DOCUMENTS.
10:28:28AM ONE OF THE THINGS CAME UP IS THE AGE OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT
10:28:32AM CODE AND NOT UPDATED FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND ONE OF THE
10:28:35AM CULPRITS IN THE INCOMPATIBILITY THAT EXISTS.
10:28:38AM PEOPLE ARE CALLING FOR MORE PREDICTABILITY AND EFFICIENCY
10:28:42AM AND DECISION-MAKING PROCESSES POE POTENTIALLY HAVING SMALLER
10:28:49AM WAYS TO IMPROVE IDEAS THAN ANYONE COMING TO COUNCIL FOR A
10:28:53AM SMALL THING APPROVED.
10:28:55AM WORK ON THAT IF WE CAN.
10:28:57AM BUT THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS AND DIALOGUE IS SOLICITED
10:29:03AM AT APPROPRIATE TIMINGS AND WAYS TO RESPOND TO THAT AS WELL
10:29:06AM IN THE DECISION MAKING.
10:29:08AM STEP BACK FROM THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND INSERTING MY OWN
10:29:19AM OBSERVATIONS OF THIS.
10:29:20AM FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, WE WANTED TO LOOK AT THE
10:29:24AM CONSTRAINTS.
10:29:24AM FLORIDA HAVE PLANNING TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF DENSITY AND
10:29:32AM INTENSITY ON A PARTICULAR PROPERTY AS BEING DECLINED AS A
10:29:36AM TAKING.
10:29:36AM YOU REALLY CAN'T GO DOWN THAT ROAD.
10:29:38AM ONCE YOU PUT THAT DENSITY AND INTENSITY INTO A PLAN, IT CAN
10:29:41AM NOT BE REVERSED.
10:29:43AM SO AT LEAST NOT UNDER THE STATUTORY REDEEM THAT WE HAVE NOW.
10:29:48AM A STRICT INTERPRETATION OF WHAT TAKING MEANS.
10:29:52AM AND OTHER STATES ARE NOT TREATED THAT WAY BUT THAT THE CASE
10:29:55AM FOR US HERE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
10:29:57AM KNOWING THAT, WE WANT TO TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY AND HOW WE
10:30:07AM INITIATED LAND USE CHANGES.
10:30:14AM WE DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE RECOMMENDATION MAKING LAND USE
10:30:19AM CHANGES THAT WOULD BENEFIT CERTAIN PLACES OR AREAS OR
10:30:26AM DISBENEFIT CERTAIN PLACES AND AREAS AND HAVE EVERYONE FEEL
10:30:30AM THAT PROCESS WAS NOT WORKING WITH THEM.
10:30:32AM WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESSED THESE CONCERNS AND
10:30:39AM MY RECOMMENDATION EARLY ON NOT TO UP-PLAN AND NOT TO
10:30:42AM INCREASE THE DENSITY OF THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES EVEN
10:30:46AM THOUGH MANY OF THE PROJECTS HAPPENING IN THE CITY ARE
10:30:49AM REQUIRING ADDITIONAL DENSITY AND BONUSES TO REALLY MAKE IT
10:30:52AM WORK.
10:30:53AM TO FIND OUT A BETTER WAY TO DO THAT THAN TO INCREASE LAND
10:30:58AM USE AND INTENSITY.
10:30:59AM I AM RECOMMENDING NOT TO CREATE NEW LAND USE CATEGORIES.
10:31:03AM NOT TO HAVE ANY MAP AMENDMENTS TO THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
10:31:09AM FEW THINGS LIKE MIXED-USE CRITERIA AND STEP-UP OF F.A.R.
10:31:15AM ALLOWANCES THAT EXIST IN THE CITY.
10:31:17AM THE WAY TO APPROACH THE LAND USE UPDATE THAT WE ARE
10:31:21AM RECOMMENDING IS TO ESTABLISH A NEW REGIME OF DENSITY BONUSES
10:31:25AM THAT WILL APPLY MUCH BROADER THAN THE CURRENT APPROACH TO
10:31:29AM DENSITY BONUSING THAT YOU HAVE NOW.
10:31:31AM ESTABLISH BONUS CEILINGS ABOVE THE CURRENT MAXIMUM FOR THE
10:31:36AM FUTURE LAND USE.
10:31:38AM IT WILL BE CITY WIDE IN TERMS OF THE ABILITY TO HAVE BONUSES
10:31:41AM IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY.
10:31:45AM ENABLE BONUS CATEGORIES TO BE STACKED SO YOU WILL HAVE ONE
10:31:48AM TYPE OF BONUS THAT YOU TAKE ADVANTAGE OF.
10:31:49AM AND THEN BORROW FROM ANOTHER BONUS AND HAVE AN ADDITIVE
10:31:55AM BONUS BASED ON DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU DO ON A PROJECT.
10:31:57AM WE WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT IN A SECOND AND TALK
10:32:00AM MORE ABOUT THAT.
10:32:01AM AND THEN DEFINE WHEN AND WHERE BONUSES CAN BE USED IN
10:32:04AM GENERAL.
10:32:05AM I SAY THIS ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
10:32:07AM BECAUSE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I WOULD SAY, HAVE A
10:32:11AM RESPONSIBILITY TO DEFINE LOCATIONAL CRITERIA AND WHERE
10:32:14AM POLICIES ARE APPLIED IN GENERAL.
10:32:16AM BUT CERTAINLY NEEDS TO WORK IN CONCERT WITH THE LAND
10:32:20AM DEVELOPMENT CODE TO SPECIFY SOME OF THE DETAILS.
10:32:22AM THE BENEFITS OF THIS BONUS STRUCTURE ARE THAT IT ENHANCES
10:32:26AM THE ESTABLISHED GROWTH MANAGEMENT STRATEGY OF THE FUTURE
10:32:32AM LAND USE ELEMENT.
10:32:32AM BY NOT CHANGING THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES, WE ARE
10:32:36AM STICKING WITH THE PLAN AND THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT STRATEGY
10:32:38AM WORKING WITH THE CITY OVER THE PAST AND ALSO PUTTING IN
10:32:43AM PLACE WHERE SOMETHING WHERE PUBLIC BENEFITS WITH BONUSING
10:32:46AM THAT OCCURS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.
10:32:49AM GREATLY INCREASES THE ROLE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND
10:32:53AM QUALIFYING FOR BONUSES.
10:32:54AM RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT OPEN UP THAT
10:33:00AM ABILITY ON ALMOST THROUGHOUT THE CITY DEPENDING ON HOW THE
10:33:03AM LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WOULD READ.
10:33:05AM MORE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES ARE INCLUDED IN THE BONUS
10:33:10AM STRUCTURE.
10:33:10AM FEWER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS ARE NEEDED AND FOR THE
10:33:16AM BENEFIT OF TIME AND PEOPLE NEEDING TO GET PROJECTS TO
10:33:19AM MARKET.
10:33:19AM SECOND SLIDE ON BENEFITS.
10:33:22AM REALLY THIS IS THE KEY FOR ME.
10:33:24AM IT PUTS NOTHING IN PLACE THAT CANNOT BE REVERSED OR
10:33:27AM CALIBRATED.
10:33:27AM SO THE BONUS STRUCTURE AND THE NATURE OF BONUSES BEING
10:33:31AM OPTIONAL DOES NOT CONFER IS PERMANENT DEVELOPMENT RIGHT TO
10:33:35AM SOMEONE BY PUTTING IT INTO PLACE.
10:33:37AM AN OPTION THEY CAN USE.
10:33:38AM AND SO THIS IS A WAY TO ALLOW SOMETHING TO BE -- TO BE PUT
10:33:43AM INTO PLACE THAT HAS THE FLEXIBILITY OF BEING UPDATED,
10:33:46AM CHANGED, CALIBRATED TO CONDITIONS, OR TO INCENTIVIZE CERTAIN
10:33:51AM THINGS AND GIVES THE WELCOME AND THE CITY THE FLEXIBILITY TO
10:33:54AM WORK THROUGH THAT IN THE FUTURE AS THE PLANS AND THE
10:33:59AM POLICIES ARE TESTED.
10:34:01AM GIVE THE CITY THE FLEXIBILITY OF HOW AND WHERE BONUSES ARE
10:34:06AM APPLIED.
10:34:06AM SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF RESPONSIBILITY PLACED ON THE LAND
10:34:09AM DEVELOPMENT CODE WITH SOME OF DETAILS OF THIS.
10:34:11AM IN THE PLAN -- THE PLAN WOULD APPLY THE FRAMEWORK TO PROVIDE
10:34:18AM THAT TO HAPPEN BUT THE BONUSES WILL NEED TO BE DEFINED IN
10:34:21AM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
10:34:22AM AND MORE FLEXIBILITY IN HOW PROJECTS ARE APPROVED.
10:34:25AM AND KEEPING WITH SOME OF THE DRIVE NOW TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY
10:34:28AM IN IMPLEMENTATION OF PROJECTS.
10:34:30AM THE BONUS TYPES INCLUDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, TRANSIT-ORIENTED
10:34:36AM DEVELOPMENT, AND NEIGHBORHOOD NODES.
10:34:37AM I AM GOING TO TALK ABOUT THOSE THREE IN MORE DETAIL.
10:34:40AM BUT THE LIST ALSO INCLUDES EFFICIENT AND RESILIENT BUILDINGS
10:34:44AM AND RENAMING THE TERM "GREEN BUILDING" TO BE EFFICIENT AND
10:34:51AM RESILIENT.
10:34:51AM THE GRAY WATER THAT IS A MANDATE FROM THE STATUTES AND OTHER
10:34:56AM INCENTIVES 2349 PLAN 9 MIXED-USED AND PERIPHERY WOULD BE
10:35:02AM MAINTAINED.
10:35:03AM SO AS WE LOOKED AT THIS, WE WANTED TO FOCUS ON WHAT THE
10:35:08AM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS ABLE TO ADDRESS.
10:35:09AM SO THESE REGULATORIES INCENTIVES OF BONUS IS A CENTRAL PART
10:35:17AM OF THAT.
10:35:17AM ALSO SOME APPROACHES OUTSIDE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT
10:35:20AM MANY LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE INSTITUTING.
10:35:24AM MANY ARE PUTTING FINANCIAL INCENTIVES IN PLACE.
10:35:28AM SO FAR A LOT OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND TRUST FUNDS HAVE BEEN
10:35:32AM PUTTING INCENTIVES TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THAT
10:35:35AM PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT FOR THE LOWER -- VERY
10:35:39AM LOW TO LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS BUT WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS AND
10:35:46AM AFFORDABLE HOUSE WILLING AND DEVELOPMENTS IN THE FUTURE WILL
10:35:50AM REQUIRE LOCAL GOVERNMENT PARTICIPATION TO MEET SOME OF THE
10:35:53AM GOALS IN TERMS OF AMOUNT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT NEEDS TO
10:35:56AM BE PRODUCED.
10:35:58AM INCLUSIONARY ZONING AND FEES.
10:36:00AM BORROW SOME OF THE CONCEPTS OF HOW TO IMPLEMENT THIS.
10:36:04AM WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING ANY SORT OF MANDATORY HOUSING
10:36:08AM PROGRAM FOR THE CITY IN THIS, BUT I THINK THERE ARE SOME
10:36:10AM THINGS THAT CAN BE LEARNED OF HOW THESE THINGS OPERATE IN
10:36:14AM TERMS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WHAT IT NEEDS TO
10:36:16AM INCLUDE.
10:36:20AM SO ABOUT THE BONUSES, EXAMPLE NUMBER ONE IS THE AFFORDABLE
10:36:24AM HOUSING BONUS THAT WILL PROVIDE UP TO 100% BONUS WITHIN A
10:36:28AM CATEGORY AND HAVE A MINIMUM THRESHOLD BETWEEN 10 AND 20%.
10:36:32AM 10 IS PROBABLY ACHIEVABLE WITH A DENSITY BONUS.
10:36:37AM 10 IS DIFFICULT TO MAKE HAPPEN IN TERMS OF THE DENSITY BONUS
10:36:41AM WITH THE ECONOMICS OF THE WHOLE THING.
10:36:43AM WE RECOMMENDED CONSIDERING ALLOWING FOR SLIDING SCALES TO --
10:36:48AM TO ADD DENSITY AND ADD UNITS IN A FLEXIBLE WAY.
10:36:52AM AND ALSO, PROVIDE SOME DIFFERENT INCENTIVES FOR DIFFERENT
10:36:56AM TYPES OF HOUSING FOR DIFFERENT TIERS OF AREA MEDIAN INCOME
10:37:01AM RESIDENTS THAT NEED WORKFORCE HOUSING OR LOW-INCOME HOUSING
10:37:04AM AS WELL TO MAXIMIZE THE USE OF INCENTIVES FOR PROJECTS, TO
10:37:12AM LOOK EVERYWHERE YOU CAN IN ADDITION TO THE DENSITY BONUS TO
10:37:16AM INCENTIVIZE WITH TERMS AND REGULATORY RELIEF.
10:37:19AM WITH T.O.D. THIS LOOKS COMPLY -- T.O.D. BUS CORRIDOR EMPHASIS
10:37:27AM AND TIER TWO MORE FIXED GUIDEWAY WITH TWO LEVELS BONUSING
10:37:33AM THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE AND WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING
10:37:35AM REQUIREMENT IN THE RANGE OF 5% TO 10%.
10:37:38AM THESE RANGES AREN'T FINAL UNTIL WE ARE DISCUSSING THEM NOW, BUT
10:37:42AM THIS IS THE EXAMPLE.
10:37:44AM WE THOUGHT THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO ARE TRANSIT IS A KEY
10:37:48AM ISSUE AND MADE SENSE TO HAVE PART OF THAT.
10:37:50AM WE ARE PUTTING IN HERE AN OPTION FOR PAYMENT IN LIEU, AND
10:38:01AM THAT HAS BEEN SORTED THROUGH HOW WE CAN MAKE THAT WORK AND
10:38:04AM MAKE SENSE FOR THE CITY.
10:38:05AM THE NEIGHBORHOOD NO BONUS ADDRESSES SOME OF THE CONCERNS
10:38:08AM RAISED EARLIER THIS MORNING OF NEBRASKA AVENUE AND THE LACK
10:38:13AM OF NEIGHBORHOOD, SERVICE GOODS AND SERVICES.
10:38:15AM THE BONUS WILL BE USED TO PROMOTE COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOODS
10:38:19AM WITH A COMPLETE SET OF WALKABLE SERVICES, RESTAURANTS, OTHER
10:38:23AM THINGS FOR PEOPLE TO SHOP WITHIN A NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:38:25AM INCENTIVIZING NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
10:38:29AM EVEN WITH THAT, THE POTENTIAL FOR AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING
10:38:32AM REQUIREMENT.
10:38:33AM WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO HAVE NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT
10:38:36AM PARTICIPATE IN HELPING TO MITIGATE TAMPA'S AFFORDABLE
10:38:39AM HOUSING ISSUES.
10:38:41AM BUT THAT IS ONE OF THE DETAILS WE ARE WORK ON NOW BUT THIS
10:38:46AM NODE BONUS LOCATIONAL CRITERIA.
10:38:49AM AS THESE PROJECTS ARE REVIEWED, YOU NEED TO BE AT THE
10:38:52AM INTERSECTION OF TWO STREETS AT A CERTAIN LEVEL.
10:38:54AM HAVE A CRITICAL MASTER PLAN.
10:38:56AM OR EXISTING NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SORT OF LIMITED
10:39:00AM AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL ADJACENT TO THE SITE.
10:39:03AM YOU ARE NOT STICKING SOMETHING SURROUNDED WITH
10:39:05AM NEIGHBORHOODS.
10:39:05AM BASIC CRITERIA THAT WILL ENABLE THAT BONUS.
10:39:10AM A LITTLE FLAVOR OF SOME OF THINGS ABOUT RECOMMENDING.
10:39:13AM NEXT STEPS INCLUDE FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR EACH CATEGORY.
10:39:17AM WE ARE WORK ON THAT NOW.
10:39:18AM WITH A MATTER OF A FEW WEEKS, WE HAVE THE FINAL REPORT OF
10:39:22AM THE ASSESSMENT AVAILABLE WE DO PLAN TO ARE BRIEFS AFTER THE
10:39:34AM REPORT IS COMPLETE AND DO THIS IN THE CONTEXT OF ANOTHER
10:39:44AM WAVE OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND STAKEHOLDER AGREEMENT.
10:39:48AM WHERE EVERYONE HAS A CHANCE TO HEAR WHAT IS.
10:39:59AM AND WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR FORMAL AMENDMENTS THIS
10:40:01AM CALENDAR YEAR TO HAVE THIS GOING FORWARD AS SOON AS WE CAN
10:40:04AM MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
10:40:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A LOT OF HANDS.
10:40:09AM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, COUNCILMAN
10:40:13AM CARLSON AND THEN COUNCILMAN GUDES WITH COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:40:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT
10:40:22AM PRESENTATION.
10:40:23AM WE APPROVE OR NOT APPROVE MULTIFAMILY.
10:40:26AM AND DEVELOPER SAYS 10% WILL BE DEDICATED TO WORK FORCE FOR
10:40:30AM AFFORDABLE.
10:40:38AM AND 20% IS NOT FEASIBLE FOR TRANSIT DEVELOPMENT AFFORDABLE
10:40:49AM HOUSING REQUIREMENT 5 TO 10%.
10:40:51AM FOR CLARITY, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.
10:40:54AM IF WE EXPECT SAY 20%.
10:40:56AM MEET IN THE MIDDLE.
10:41:02AM A TOTAL SET OF GUIDELINES.
10:41:03AM >> SO YOU WOULD HAVE THIS MENU OF BONUSES THAT YOU CAN SEE
10:41:11AM DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE.
10:41:13AM IF YOU WERE IN A QUALIFYING AREA FOR TOD.
10:41:17AM TAKE ADVANTAGE OF TOD BONUS AND THE ASSOCIATED AFFORDABLE
10:41:21AM HOUSING REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT ONLY YOU WANTED TO ADD ON TO
10:41:30AM THAT AND THE LIMIT OF THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY AND ADD
10:41:33AM MORE AFFORDABLE UNITS.
10:41:35AM ACCORDINGLY UP THE DENSITY NEEDED TO MAKE YOUR PROJECT WORK
10:41:46AM REQUIRES THEM TO BE DESIGNED FOR THAT AND FLEXIBLE AND THAT
10:41:50AM IS WHY I RECOMMEND IT HAPPENING.
10:41:52AM THE REASON T.O.D. IS LOWER, THE BONUS SUPPLY AND ONLY THING
10:41:58AM YOU ARE CONCERNED WITH MEETING THE THRESHOLDS AND
10:42:00AM REQUIREMENTS OF THAT.
10:42:01AM IF YOU MAKE THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE T.O.D. AFFORDABLE
10:42:04AM HOUSING EXACTLY THE SAME SAME THING OF WHAT WAS NEEDED.
10:42:18AM THE RATIONALE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING REQUIREMENTS PROVIDE
10:42:22AM OTHER PUBLIC BENEFITS EQUIPMENT TO THE AAFFORDABLE HOUSING
10:42:34AM UNIT.
10:42:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:42:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU THE PRESENTATION, AND WE SPOKE ON THIS
10:42:41AM BEFORE WE GOT STARTED AND I APPRECIATE YOU TOOK THE TIME IN
10:42:44AM DOING -- INDIVIDUALLY IN DOING THIS.
10:42:57AM ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO SAY I LOVE THIS, INCLUDING
10:43:00AM LOWER AMI TO GET HIGHER BONUSES AND FOR THE PUBLIC IS AREA
10:43:04AM MEDIAN INCOME.
10:43:05AM RIGHT NOW WE HAVE GREAT ARE FOR THE WORKFORCE GROUP AND WHAT
10:43:20AM WE ARE SEEING IN THE COMMUNITY NOW DESPERATE NEED FOR
10:43:24AM HOUSING FOR FOLKS WHO NEED A CHEAPER PLACE TO LIVE.
10:43:27AM I HAVE A QUESTION OF THE PAYMENT IN LIEU, WHERE WILL THAT
10:43:42AM PAYMENT GO?
10:43:43AM >> IN A HOUSING TRUST FUND IN THE BOX THAT YOU HAVE NOW OR
10:43:46AM GO INTO THE GENERAL TRUST FUND TO BE USED --
10:43:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE WOULDN'T WANT IT IN GENERAL.
10:44:01AM WE WOULD WANT IT IN HOUSING.
10:44:02AM >> A COUPLE OF DEVELOPERS THAT CAME THROUGH THAT DIDN'T WANT
10:44:05AM TO PARTICIPATE.
10:44:05AM PAY THE PARTICIPATION IN LIEU AND GO TO A FUND.
10:44:12AM AND ANOTHER WHO WANTED TO PARTICIPATE AND PROVIDE AFFORDABLE
10:44:15AM HOUSING AND DO SOMETHING LIKE 20% OR 30% WHICH IS HIGH
10:44:19AM NUMBER IN THE DEVELOPMENT, YOU WILL HAVE THE ABILITY THEN TO
10:44:21AM USE THAT FUND THAT WAS A FUNCTION OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY
10:44:28AM TO PUT THAT BACK INTO A DEVELOPMENT TO BECOME A PUBLIC,
10:44:32AM PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP AND PROVIDING A HIGH LEVEL OF HOUSING.
10:44:39AM IT WILL BE SORT OF A CLOSED-LOOP, IF YOU WILL, WHERE SOURCE
10:44:48AM OF REVENUE COMES FROM NEW DEVELOPMENT AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO
10:44:51AM BE PART OF THE CITY'S FINANCIAL POSITION TO START DOING THAT
10:44:54AM AND GIVES YOU MORE FLEXIBILITY IN NEGOTIATING MORE
10:44:57AM AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN PROJECTS.
10:44:58AM WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THE TOPIC OF -- OF WHAT IS
10:45:02AM WORKING AND WHAT ISN'T.
10:45:03AM AND A 10% GOAL, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IN THE
10:45:08AM 50 TO 80% AMI CATEGORY IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT FINANCIAL GAP
10:45:17AM TO FILL FOR SOMEONE.
10:45:18AM SO THE BONUS PLUS THE INCENTIVE MONEY, I THINK, IS GOING TO
10:45:21AM BE THE FUTURE.
10:45:22AM I KNOW THAT IS NOT HAPPENING SO MUCH NOW.
10:45:24AM BUT I PREDICT IF YOU WANT TO HAVE STRONG PACE OF ADOPTION OR
10:45:31AM AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THAT IS THE BEST PATH.
10:45:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
10:45:35AM I APPRECIATE THAT.
10:45:37AM AND I AGREE.
10:45:38AM THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD ENCOURAGE JUST FOR US AND OTHER
10:45:42AM STAKEHOLDERS AND PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
10:45:45AM A LOT OF OPTIONS YOU ARE PUTTING ON THE TABLE WHICH IS
10:45:49AM GREAT.
10:45:49AM A GOOD IDEA.
10:45:50AM I THINK VISUALLY HARD TO SEE WHAT THOSE OPTIONS MIGHT LOOK
10:45:54AM LIKE.
10:45:54AM IF THERE IS A WAY YOU COULD DO ONE OR TWO EXAMPLES OF HEY,
10:45:58AM IF WE ARE GOING TO PUT SOMETHING AT THIS INTERSECTION, WHAT
10:46:02AM ARE THE TYPES OF BONUSES.
10:46:03AM WHAT COULD THAT LOOK LIKE.
10:46:04AM I THINK THAT WILL HELP THE PUBLIC AND ALSO US TO UNDERSTAND
10:46:07AM A LITTLE BIT BETTER HOW THIS OPENS UP THE OPTIONS FOR
10:46:12AM EVERYONE BECAUSE I CAN SEE THIS.
10:46:17AM BUT MORE SPECIFICS I THINK WILL REALLY HELP EVERYONE
10:46:20AM UNDERSTAND WHAT A POSITIVITY COMES WITH THIS LIST OF
10:46:27AM CHOICES.
10:46:28AM IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
10:46:30AM >> IT DOES.
10:46:31AM WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE NEED FOR MORE -- MORE CONTENT
10:46:36AM THAT HELPS PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPTS AND EVEN TALKED
10:46:41AM ABOUT DOING WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
10:46:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK: 100%.
10:46:45AM I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT.
10:46:46AM THAT WOULD HELP EVERYONE.
10:46:48AM THANK YOU.
10:46:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:46:51AM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
10:46:52AM FEW THINGS.
10:46:53AM NUMBER ONE, FOR ME, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR TO YOU MEET
10:46:56AM WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS ESPECIALLY MY DISTRICT AND
10:47:01AM THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND LISTEN TO THEM AND TALK TO IT.
10:47:04AM A LOT OF QUESTIONS BECAUSE CONFUSION ON THIS.
10:47:06AM SECOND IS I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO TIGHTEN ALL THIS.
10:47:14AM THE PROBLEM -- ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE
10:47:16AM PLAN IS, FIRST OF ALL, IT IS WAY TOO LONG.
10:47:21AM AND SECOND THAT IT IS WRITTEN IN A WAY THAT BOTH SIDES CAN
10:47:25AM JUSTIFY WHAT THEY WANT BY READING IT.
10:47:27AM THE WORDS ARE SUCH THAT ANYBODY CAN INTERPRET IT IN A WAY
10:47:31AM THAT -- THAT -- THAT DEPENDS WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO.
10:47:36AM I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE IT MORE SPECIFIC IF WE NEED TO EDIT
10:47:39AM IT.
10:47:40AM TO THAT POINT, A FEW THINGS.
10:47:42AM WE TALK ABOUT AMI.
10:47:48AM I WOULD ARGUE STRONGLY AGAINST ANYTHING ABOVE 100% AMI.
10:47:54AM WE ARE GIVING SOMETHING NEXT CHANGE.
10:47:55AM GIVE BONUS DENSITY FOR DEVELOPERS, THAT IS FINE.
10:47:58AM PROJECTS WHERE THEY ARE 150% TO 20% OF AMI AND THEY CALL
10:48:03AM THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND IT IS NOT.
10:48:05AM WE CAN CALL IT WORKFORCE HOUSING OR SOMETHING ELSE, BUT TO
10:48:08AM GO THROUGH AND COUNT -- AS IT IS COUNTING 10,000 TO 50,000,
10:48:13AM COUNSELING 200 TO 300% OF AMI, THAT DOESN'T COUNT.
10:48:17AM WE SHOULDN'T DO THAT.
10:48:18AM AND WE SHOULDN'T BE GIVING SOMETHING AWAY FOR THAT.
10:48:21AM IF WE DON'T MAKE IT SPECIFICALLY TOO HIGH, THEN EVERYBODY
10:48:25AM QUALIFIES AND WE MAY AS WELL CHANGE THE ZONING AND LET
10:48:29AM EVERYBODY DO.
10:48:29AM TO YOUR POINT OF THE ZONING CATEGORIES.
10:48:32AM I ASKED THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO FOR WE TO GET A MARITIME CATEGORY.
10:48:36AM 100 YEARS FROM NOW, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO REGRET THAT WE SOLD
10:48:40AM OUR WATER FRONT, OUR WORKING PORT, BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO
10:48:44AM NEED MORE ACCESS TO IT THAN EVER.
10:48:49AM THE THING WE CAN'T REPLACE IS LAND AND WATER FRONT LAND AND
10:48:52AM PEOPLE WANT TO REPLACE HIGH-PAYING BLUE COLORED JOBS AND
10:48:58AM LOGISTICAL ACCESS.
10:48:59AM THE PROBLEMS WITH LOGISTICS.
10:49:02AM IF WE SHUT DOWN OUR PORT BECAUSE SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE
10:49:05AM INSTANT PROFIT OFF A CONDO, END UP WITH LOW PAYING
10:49:09AM MAINTENANCE JOBS INSTEAD OF HIGH PAYING BLUE COLLAR AND
10:49:12AM WHITE-COLLAR JOBS THAT ARE WE WILL ECONOMIC ENGINES FOR YOUR
10:49:17AM AREA.
10:49:18AM I AM NOT MAKING A MOTION BUT A MARITIME CATEGORY THAT WE CAN
10:49:21AM PROTECT.
10:49:22AM THE OTHER THIS I THINK, I THINK WE SHOULD SEPARATE SOME OF
10:49:25AM THE ZONING CATEGORIES.
10:49:25AM SOME DEFINITIONS -- I DON'T WANT TO TALK OF THE SPECIFIC
10:49:30AM ONES, THOSE THAT ARE HIGH INTENSITY THAT ARE ALLOWED THAT
10:49:34AM FOLKS DON'T LIKE AND SURPRISE THAT SUDDENLY SOMETHING IS
10:49:37AM BUILT BEHIND THEM THAT THEY DIDN'T EXPECT.
10:49:38AM AT SOME POINT, I THINK WE SHOULD TRY TO SHIFT SOME OF THOSE.
10:49:42AM CAN'T TAKE AWAY ENTITLEMENTS, BUT IF WE PUT A NEW
10:49:48AM ENTITLEMENT, AN OLD CATEGORY INSTEAD OF NEW CATEGORY.
10:49:51AM STRICT GUIDELINES.
10:49:52AM WITH T.O.D.
10:49:55AM WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT WILL JUSTIFY AS T.O.D. RIGHT NOW
10:49:59AM EXCEPT FOR NEXT TO THE STREETCAR.
10:50:03AM WE HAVE BUS LANES THAT CAN CHANGE ALL THE TIME.
10:50:05AM I RECOMMEND STRONGLY THAT WE SPECIFICALLY DEFINE WHAT THOSE
10:50:08AM ARE IN VERY NARROW TURNS.
10:50:10AM YOU TALK OF NEIGHBORHOOD NODES.
10:50:12AM WHAT THE PLANNERS I CONSULT CALLED NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL
10:50:15AM DISTRICTS AND A COUPLE OF PLANS THAT WE HAVE DONE.
10:50:18AM I SPENT TIME IN SINGAPORE WHERE THEY BUILT THEIR
10:50:20AM TRANSPORTATION -- THEY BUILT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD NODES OR
10:50:23AM NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS AND BUILT TRANSPORTATION
10:50:26AM ON TOP OF IT.
10:50:26AM TRANSPORTATION WILL NEVER WORK IN TAMPA UNTIL WE BUILD THOSE
10:50:30AM NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.
10:50:33AM CAN'T BE EVERY INTERSECTION.
10:50:34AM HAVE TWO ROADS GOING ACROSS IT.
10:50:37AM SOME PLANNERS SAY 130 OF THESE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
10:50:41AM I NEED TO SPECIFICALLY DEFINE THEM AND HAVE A SPECIFIC NAME.
10:50:44AM A LEGAL DEFINITION NOT JUST A CROSSING OF ROADS.
10:50:47AM IF COUNCIL AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND NOT JUST THAT A
10:51:00AM BUS WILL GO BY AND STOP.
10:51:02AM AND SERVICE THAT IS BY MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND IDEALLY THAT
10:51:09AM IT WILL BE MORE PERMANENTLY BASED.
10:51:11AM ALSO WE KNOW FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT MOST COMMUNITIES WANT
10:51:14AM RETAIL ON THE BOTTOM.
10:51:15AM SO TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN MANDATE THAT.
10:51:18AM AND EVEN GET BONUSES WITH RETAIL ON THE BOTTOM.
10:51:22AM AND SO I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF IT -- SPECIFICS IN
10:51:28AM NARROWING IT DOWN.
10:51:29AM YOU TALK OF THE DISCUSSION AFTER THIS OF HAVING INDIVIDUAL
10:51:31AM DISCUSSIONS.
10:51:32AM I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT.
10:51:34AM IF YOU ALL ARE DOING IT.
10:51:35AM THE LAST THING IS THE PAYMENT IN LIEU.
10:51:39AM TO ME SOUNDS LIKE THE TREE FUND AND SIDEWALK FUND THAT HAS
10:51:43AM ALL KIND OF PROBLEMS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
10:51:46AM I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF THAT AT ALL.
10:51:48AM IF WE ARE GOING TO CHANGE THE RULES THAT EVERYBODY HAS
10:51:50AM ACCESS TO IT, LET'S JUST CHANGE THE RULES.
10:51:53AM WHY WOULD WITH WE SET UP SOMETHING COMPLICATED.
10:51:56AM IF SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING TO SOLVE A SPECIFIC PROBLEM WE
10:52:00AM ARE TRYING TO SOLVE LIKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND REAL
10:52:02AM DEFINITION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR OUR
10:52:09AM NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS I UNDERSTAND PROVIDING A
10:52:12AM BONUS.
10:52:12AM IF WE JUST PAY, THE MONEY ENDS UP SOMEWHERE, EVEN THOUGH IN
10:52:16AM A SPECIAL FUND AND ENDS UP BEING SPENT ON OTHER THINGS AND
10:52:20AM VERY HARD TO MANAGE AND WHY CAN WE HAVE THAT AND CAN LEAD TO
10:52:25AM ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS.
10:52:26AM THANK YOU.
10:52:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:52:28AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THAT POINT,
10:52:33AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:52:34AM IF I DON'T WANT TO DO SOMETHING, PAY INTO THE FUND.
10:52:37AM IF THEY WANT TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS, THEY NEED TO FOLLOW THE
10:52:40AM PROCESS AND NOT GET AROUND THE PROCESS.
10:52:43AM TO ME, THAT IS GETTING AROUND THE PROCESS.
10:52:45AM HOPE TO HAVE IT AND NOT A MANDATE.
10:52:47AM OTHER CITIES DO HAVE.
10:52:48AM YOU WOULDN'T RECOMMEND -- YOU DIDN'T RECOMMEND WHEN YOU TALK
10:52:51AM OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
10:52:52AM I SAY ATTAINABLE HOUSING THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
10:52:55AM I WANT TO TELL YOU WHY YOU WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT.
10:52:58AM I DON'T BELIEVE I AM RECOMMENDING NOT HAVING IT THROUGHOUT
10:53:02AM THE CITY.
10:53:03AM WE ARE VERY RECOMMENDING HAVING THAT THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND
10:53:05AM HAVING THESE BONUSES APPLY.
10:53:08AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I MISINTERPRETED.
10:53:16AM I HAVE SOMEONE COME UP HERE WHO SAY THEY HAVE 543 APARTMENTS
10:53:22AM THEY WANT TO BUILD IN A BUILDING, AND YET YOU WILL GIVE ME
10:53:25AM FIVE AFFORDABLE, ATTAINABLE HOUSING UNITS OR MAYBE TEN.
10:53:29AM I HAVE SEEN THAT HAPPEN BEFORE.
10:53:31AM AND I -- I HAVE AN ISSUE.
10:53:33AM I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU SOME DOLLARS AND YOU ARE GOING TO
10:53:37AM GIVE ME FIVE TO TEN UNITS AND YOU HAVE 500 SOME ODD UNITS TO
10:53:42AM PUT IN A BUILDING?
10:53:43AM YOU ARE SAYING THAT 20% IS TOO HIGH.
10:53:45AM TELL ME THE RATIONALE SAYING 20% IS TOO HIGH.
10:53:48AM >> NOT TOO HIGH AS A POLICY GOAL, IT IS -- IT IS HIGHER THAN
10:53:53AM RELYING ONLY ON DENSITY BONUSES CAN REALLY FEASIBLY RESULT.
10:53:58AM SO MY POINT WAS IF YOU WANT TO ACHIEVE 20% IN A PROJECT AS A
10:54:05AM GOAL, JUST GIVING DENSITY BONUSES OUT IN TERMS OF THAT 20%,
10:54:09AM ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE A MIX OF 50 TO 80.
10:54:12AM AND 180 TO 100 TO 120.
10:54:16AM YOU -- NOT ENOUGH DENSITY BONUSING THAT YOU CAN FEASIBLY
10:54:21AM GIVE THAT PERSON TO GET THAT RETURN BACK.
10:54:23AM OTHER INCENTIVES HAVE TO BE IN PLACE TO MEET THAT GOAL.
10:54:27AM NOTHING WRONG WITH SETTING THAT GOAL.
10:54:28AM I JUST WANT TO CAUTION, WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN OUR RESEARCH IS
10:54:32AM THAT 20% IS DIFFICULT TO ACHIEVE WITH DIFFERENT TRANCHES OF
10:54:39AM AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR DIFFERENT INCOME LEVELS THAT ARE
10:54:42AM BEING REQUIRED.
10:54:43AM SO THAT MEANS -- THAT'S WHY I AM SAYING HAVING SOME MONEY TO
10:54:47AM WORK WITH SOMEONE TO CLOSE THE FINANCIAL GAP OF HOW TO
10:54:51AM FINANCE THOSE THINGS WITHIN A PROJECT.
10:54:54AM IF YOU HAVE A HIGH STANDARD FOR WHAT IS INCLUDED.
10:54:56AM THAT MY PREDICTION IS THAT CITIES WILL HAVE TO GO DOWN THAT
10:55:00AM ROAD AND HAVE THAT MONEY AVAILABLE AND THAT MONEY HAS TO
10:55:03AM COME FROM SOMEWHERE.
10:55:03AM SO THAT IS PART OF THE RATIONALE FOR THE -- FOR PAYMENT
10:55:11AM IN LIEU.
10:55:12AM I AGREE WITH YOU, SIR, PAYMENT IN LIEU.
10:55:16AM THE PAY NOT TO PLAY SYSTEM HAS ITS FLAWS.
10:55:19AM BUT IT IS ONE OF THE WAYS TO RAISE REVENUE FOR -- FOR MAKING
10:55:25AM GENERATING A SUSTAINABLE SOURCE OF REVENUE FOR THE CITY TO
10:55:28AM USE AND OTHER PROJECTS.
10:55:30AM THAT IS THEIR REAL BENEFIT AND OTHER BENEFITS THAT I WILL
10:55:34AM ACKNOWLEDGE.
10:55:34AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WANT TO BE USE THAT IN OTHER AREAS.
10:55:38AM I WANT TO STAY.
10:55:38AM HOUSING AND DEVELOPMENT, IT NEEDS TO STAY IN HOUSING TO BE
10:55:41AM UTILIZED FOR HOUSING.
10:55:43AM >> OH, YES.
10:55:44AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WOULDN'T SUPPORT ANYTHING IN LIEU.
10:55:48AM MEANS IT STAYS IN THAT FUND TO BE UTILIZED.
10:55:50AM I THINK THAT -- THAT IS A BIG DEAL WITH SOME OF THE OTHER FUNDS
10:55:54AM WE DO HAVE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE PLANS,
10:55:59AM COMMUNITIES DO -- ARE ENGAGED BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WHEN WE GO
10:56:03AM ON THE TRAIL RIGHT NOW, NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING
10:56:06AM ABOUT HOUSING.
10:56:07AM NO ONE IS TALKING ANY -- I DON'T CARE WHAT FORM WE GO TO,
10:56:12AM THEY ARE HERE TALKING ABOUT HOUSING.
10:56:13AM THEY ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT NO POLICE.
10:56:15AM THEY ARE NOT REALLY -- YOU KNOW TRANSIT MAY COME UP A BIT.
10:56:19AM BUT THE MAIN FOCUS IS HOUSING.
10:56:21AM AND THAT IS ALL THEY CARE ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
10:56:23AM MY THING IS TO MAKE SURE WE ARE FOCUSING -- WE ARE FOCUSED
10:56:28AM ON HOW WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO THE NEXT LEVEL OF MAKING SURE
10:56:31AM EVERYONE CAN HAVE A ROOF AND WALLS AROUND THEM.
10:56:34AM THAT IS REALLY WHAT I AM FOCUSED ON AND I WILL BE PAYING
10:56:38AM ATTENTION TO GET MORE INFORMATION.
10:56:40AM AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE GOOD PLANS.
10:56:43AM NOT JUST HAVING A PASS, BUT THESE ARE THE PROCESSES AND
10:56:47AM RULES NOW.
10:56:48AM IF YOU HAVE RULES, YOU CAN'T FROM MISINTERPRETATIONS.
10:56:52AM I SEE -- I SEE POLICIES -- I SEE POLICIES.
10:56:55AM THEY ARE ALWAYS SOMEONE INTERPRETING WHERE THEY WANT TO
10:56:59AM INTERPRET VERSUS SAYING SHALL OR MUST.
10:57:01AM THAT IS CLEAR.
10:57:02AM SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE MAKE THESE PLANS, THEY ARE
10:57:07AM CLEARED.
10:57:07AM THANK YOU, SIR.
10:57:08AM THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:57:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:57:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
10:57:12AM THAT BRINGS UP A VERY GOOD POINT, COUNCILMAN GUDES, THAT ONE
10:57:16AM OF THE THINGS WE NEED MOST AND I HEAR CONSTANTLY IS
10:57:19AM DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING WE LIKE TO REFER TO AS MISSING
10:57:25AM MIDDLE HOUSING.
10:57:26AM WHAT YOU SHARED HERE IS HOW WE CAN KIND OF GET MORE OF
10:57:31AM LARGER DEVELOPMENTS.
10:57:32AM CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
10:57:37AM WILL HELP US FIND THE RIGHT SPACES FOR THIS MISSING MIDDLE
10:57:41AM HOUSING LIKE AS YOU SAID EVERYWHERE WE ARE GOING RIGHT NOW,
10:57:44AM THIS IS WHAT WE ARE HEARING A NEED FOR.
10:57:49AM >> WELL, IT IS TRUE THAT THE LARGER DEVELOPMENTS GET A LOT
10:57:53AM OF ATTENTION AND MAKING MISSING MIDDLE HAPPEN IS VERY
10:57:57AM DIFFICULT.
10:57:58AM YOU DON'T SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE DOING IT.
10:58:00AM A HIGH-RISK ENDEAVOR.
10:58:02AM SORTS OF CUTS AGAINST THE GRAIN OF THE NORM IN MOST PLACES
10:58:06AM AND DEVELOPERS.
10:58:07AM IF -- IF IT IS RISKY, IT IS OUT OF THE NORM AND VERY
10:58:11AM CHALLENGING TO MAKE MONEY DOING IT.
10:58:14AM SOMETHING THAT WILL SCARCE.
10:58:20AM ALL IS FOR MIDDLE MISSING HOUSING.
10:58:23AM AND HARD TO FIND SITES.
10:58:25AM AND IT IS DIFFICULT TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
10:58:28AM THE -- WITH RESPECT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROVIDING
10:58:32AM THESE DENSITY BONUSES.
10:58:34AM WE ARE TALKING OF PROVIDING THEM ACROSS CATEGORIES, NOT JUST
10:58:37AM IN THE MIXED USE CATEGORIES THAT YOU ARE USED TO SEEING
10:58:39AM BONUSES BEING CONSIDERED IN THE CITY.
10:58:41AM WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IN ALL OF THE ZONES.
10:58:44AM IT WILL BE UP TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO REALLY -- THE
10:58:47AM PLACE OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO TALK ABOUT USE AND
10:58:51AM TYPE OF HOUSING AND REALLY SPECIFY WHAT IS APPROPRIATE AND
10:58:55AM ALLOWED.
10:58:56AM WE DON'T HAVE ANY INTENTION IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO
10:58:59AM LIMIT THE CITY'S ABILITY TO -- TO DO THAT SORT OF THING.
10:59:04AM WE TALKED THROUGH ALL OF THAT.
10:59:06AM I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE EXHAUSTED THE CONVERSATION IN MIDDLE
10:59:12AM HOUSING BUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS MAKE SURE WE ARE WORKING
10:59:15AM IN CONCERT WITH THAT STRATEGY.
10:59:17AM I AM DEFINITELY HEARING IT IS BROAD AND I HAVE IT
10:59:19AM ACROSS THE DIFFERENT GROUPS THAT WERE TALKING TO TO YOU.
10:59:25AM AND WE ARE WORKING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
10:59:26AM I WANT TOP STRESS THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT REALLY CAN
10:59:29AM PROVIDE THE FRAMEWORK, BUT A LOT OF WORK HAS TO BE DONE
10:59:33AM UNDERNEATH.
10:59:33AM SO WE ARE THE REASON I AM COMING YOU ALL WITH SOME OF THE
10:59:40AM THINGS OF THE CITY'S CONCERN, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE AS WE DO
10:59:43AM IT, WE ARE MAKING SURE WE PUT TOGETHER FEASIBLE STRATEGY
10:59:48AM IMPLEMENTED AND DISCUSSIONS ARE GOING ON HOW TO YOU WHO DO
10:59:50AM THAT SPECIFICALLY.
10:59:51AM WHETHER THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS GO FIRST OR THIS A PACKAGE
10:59:55AM OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT IS DONE AT THE SAME TIME.
10:59:58AM SO THAT IS ALL HAPPENING.
11:00:00AM AND WE ARE TAKING ALL OF CONCERNS AND MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING
11:00:05AM INTO CONSIDERATION.
11:00:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
11:00:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
11:00:12AM THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION.
11:00:14AM YOU SAID SOME WORDS THAT I HAVE BEEN WRITING DOWN HERE.
11:00:17AM AND THESE ARE ALL BOARDS THAT I HEAR FROM NEIGHBORHOOD
11:00:21AM ASSOCIATIONS AND WHERE I GO IN THE CITY.
11:00:23AM WALKABILITY.
11:00:26AM PUBLIC SAFETY.
11:00:27AM EVEN THOUGH WE ARE HEARING ABOUT HOUSING, THERE ARE CAUSE
11:00:34AM AND EFFECT.
11:00:34AM MORE PEOPLE MOVING INTO THE AREA, PUBLIC SAFETY.
11:00:37AM REPRESENTATIVES FROM POLICE AND FIRE BACK THERE, UNIONS.
11:00:40AM ARTERIAL ROADWAYS.
11:00:43AM RESILIENCY.
11:00:45AM TRANSPORTATION.
11:00:46AM PARKING.
11:00:47AM THEN SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I HEAR FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD
11:00:52AM ASSOCIATIONS.
11:00:53AM COASTAL HIGH HAZARD.
11:00:56AM GENTRIFICATION, WHICH YOU MENTIONED.
11:00:59AM HISTORIC.
11:01:00AM NOW WE ARE LOOKING FOR DENSITY.
11:01:03AM WE ARE ALSO LOOKING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHICH BRINGS ME
11:01:06AM TO ANOTHER POINT.
11:01:09AM COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WITH INCENTIVES A COUNCILPERSON WAS
11:01:15AM TRYING TO CHANGE A DEVELOPER'S MIND BY SAYING WE HAVE THESE
11:01:19AM WONDERFUL INCENTIVES TO OFFER YOU.
11:01:21AM WILL YOU PUT IN MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
11:01:23AM THAT PERSON SAID, NO.
11:01:25AM HOW CAN WE AS A COUNCIL GET MORE BITE INTO ASKING DEVELOPERS
11:01:34AM TO PUT MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN WHEN WE ARE PREEMPTED BY
11:01:42AM THE STATE OF FLORIDA FOR DOING THAT.
11:01:45AM WE WANT MORE HOUSING.
11:01:47AM WE NEED MORE HOUSING.
11:01:48AM WE NEED MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
11:01:51AM I AM HOPING THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN THE QUALITY OF
11:01:54AM LIFE.
11:01:54AM AGAIN, PUBLIC SAFETY AND WITH CITY SERVICES.
11:02:00AM WE WANT DENSITY.
11:02:02AM WITHOUT DENSITY WE CAN'T HAVE TRANSPORTATION.
11:02:03AM WITHOUT TRANSPORTATION, WE CAN'T HAVE DENSITY.
11:02:07AM KAREN KRESS OF THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP CHANGED MINIMUMS UP
11:02:12AM AND DOWN TAMPA STREET AND FLORIDA AVENUE.
11:02:15AM HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET REPRESENTATION.
11:02:18AM I BROUGHT TO THIS COUNCIL -- EXCUSE KNEE THE CRA POOHRD TO
11:02:22AM TRY TO EXTEND THE STREETCAR.
11:02:24AM MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
11:02:25AM TRANSPORTATION.
11:02:26AM AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
11:02:28AM IN MY OPINION, YOU CAN'T HAVE ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER.
11:02:31AM AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION.
11:02:34AM I ALSO NEED TO ASK ONE MORE THING.
11:02:37AM PD-As.
11:02:41AM WERE THEY DISCUSSED IN THIS ISSUE.
11:02:44AM AND PD-As ARE LARGER AMOUNTS OF PROPERTIES THAT CAN BE
11:02:48AM PLANNED OUT IN CERTAIN PHASES.
11:02:50AM WERE THEY DISCUSSED IN THIS ISSUE?
11:02:53AM BECAUSE -- ABBYE HANG ON.
11:02:56AM BECAUSE IT IS A LARGER TRACT OF LAND THAT IN MY OPINION
11:03:02AM NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT DOWN.
11:03:02AM JUST ASKING.
11:03:03AM >> NO.
11:03:04AM WE HAVE --
11:03:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE COMES ABBYE.
11:03:10AM MISS FEELEY.
11:03:12AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: ABBYE FEELEY.
11:03:14AM PD-As ARE A ZONING NOT A LAND USE AND ARE NOT CONTROLLED OF
11:03:20AM THE UMBRELLA OF THE COMPREHENSIVE AND NOT PART OF THE WORK
11:03:25AM FOR MR. STEINBECK.
11:03:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A LOT OF WORK THAT CAN BE INTERJECTED HERE
11:03:31AM AND THERE.
11:03:31AM THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR REPORT.
11:03:32AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT.
11:03:35AM ANYBODY ELSE FOR ONE LAST TIME?
11:03:40AM >> THANK YOU.
11:03:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3.
11:03:43AM >> A QUESTION FOR A CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:03:53AM YOU MENTIONED THAT.
11:03:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 2, PLEASE.
11:03:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK?
11:04:08AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:04:09AM I AM ALISON DATE.
11:04:11AM I LIVE HERE IN COMPANY.
11:04:12AM AND I AM WITH THE SIERRA CLUB.
11:04:14AM I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT TREES, NATURAL RESOURCES, AND I DON'T
11:04:19AM SEE THEM MENTIONED VERY MUCH IN THE COMP PLAN.
11:04:22AM EVERYTHING IS VERY VAGUE.
11:04:24AM BUT THERE WERE THREE SORT OF CATEGORIES THAT SORT OF
11:04:28AM MENTIONED IT, BUT I DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY SEE ANYTHING ABOUT
11:04:34AM REALLY PROTECTING OUR WATER, OUR UNDEVELOPED LAND, HAVING
11:04:41AM GREEN SPACE AND HAVING TREES.
11:04:43AM SO ON THAT NOTE -- I APPRECIATED HEARING THIS INFORMATION.
11:04:48AM THAT IS WHY I WAITED TO HEAR ABOUT IT.
11:04:50AM TO SEE IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE ANYTHING MENTIONED ABOUT
11:04:54AM THAT.
11:04:55AM BUT -- NOW I AM GOING TO SHARE WHAT I WAS GOING TO SHARE.
11:04:58AM MANY ENVIRONMENTAL TIPPING POINTS OCCURRING ON OUR PLANET.
11:05:02AM WE ZERO IN ON TAMPA WITH THE GROWING POPULATION AND
11:05:07AM INCREASING CLIMATE THREATS AND DECREASING NATURAL RESOURCES,
11:05:10AM HE BELIEVE -- THIS IS MY PERSONAL BELIEF, THAT GRAND LIVE
11:05:15AM OAKS ARE A CRUCIAL KEYSTONE SPECIES THAT NEED TO BE PART OF
11:05:20AM THE CITY'S VISION THAT ALL RESIDENTS HAVE ACCESS TO HE CAN
11:05:23AM BAA TABLE AND HIGH QUALITY LIFE.
11:05:25AM INSTEAD, THE MAIN FOCUS OF THE LAND USE PLAN SEEMS TO BE TO
11:05:30AM INCREASE DENSITY IN HOUSING EVEN THOUGH THERE IS MENTION THAT
11:05:34AM THERE MAY NOT BE SUFFICIENT LAND THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE DEMAND
11:05:40AM THE PLAN DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THE ISSUE OVER -- OF
11:05:46AM OVERDEVELOPMENT OR THREE OF NINE GOALS, INCLUDING WHAT OPEN
11:05:51AM SPACE IS AND HOW IT IS VALUED AND PROTECTED.
11:05:55AM THERE IS NO MENTION OF MAINTAINING OUR URBAN CANOPY OR GREEN
11:06:00AM SPACE AND SPECIFICALLY THERE IS A WORD OF THE WORD TO
11:06:03AM PROTECT THE GRAND LIVE OAKS THAT ARE NEEDED TO REDUCE THE
11:06:07AM WORSENING AIR QUALITY DUE TO INCREASED TRAFFIC NO MENTION OF
11:06:14AM FLOODING AND BEING IN HIGH COASTAL HIGH HAZARD STORM AREAS
11:06:20AM AND HOW TREES PLAY A ROLE IN THE MITIGATION OF THAT WATER.
11:06:23AM NO MENTION OF THE NEED TO REDUCE RISING SUMMER TEMPERATURES
11:06:27AM FOR WHICH GRAND OAKS CAN PROVIDE SHADE AND HELP CREATE A
11:06:31AM COOLING EFFECT.
11:06:32AM PRESERVING AND MAINTAINING TREES NEED TO BE A PRIORITY FOR
11:06:39AM THIS TO HAPPEN.
11:06:39AM INSUFFICIENT REGULATIONS AND INADEQUATE FINES TO ENFORCE
11:06:44AM PROTECTION OF ADEQUATE GREEN SPACE AND GREAT GRAND LIVE
11:06:49AM OBSERVATION IN DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
11:06:50AM PERHAPS INCORPORATING THE TREE PROTECTION ZONE THAT ARE USED
11:06:54AM FOR SMALLER HOUSING LOTS INTO ALL BUILDING SITE PLANS IN
11:07:00AM ORDER TO DECREASE TREE CANOPY LOSS CAN HAPPEN.
11:07:04AM I LIKED THE THOUGHT AT THAT TALKED OF BETTER ALIGNMENT
11:07:10AM BETWEEN THE COMP PLAN AND THE LAND USE CODE AND INCENTIVE
11:07:15AM AND BONUSES SOUND VERY PRODUCTIVE.
11:07:17AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
11:07:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
11:07:20AM IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT.
11:07:28AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:07:29AM WE APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS FROM THE SIERRA CLUB.
11:07:32AM WE WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THEY THINK.
11:07:34AM EVEN THOUGH THIS IS COMPONENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN,
11:07:39AM THERE ARE OTHER COMPONENTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMING
11:07:43AM FORWARD TO BE UPDATED.
11:07:44AM SPECIFICALLY A NUMBER OF ITEMS, TREES, WATER PROTECTION
11:07:48AM TONIGHT IS THE ONE WATER ADOPTION HEARING.
11:07:50AM WE HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL SECTION.
11:07:53AM A COASTAL MANAGEMENT SECTION THAT WE BELIEVE THOSE ARE WHERE
11:07:56AM THOSE ISSUES ARE ADDRESSED.
11:07:58AM WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE SIERRA CLUB TO MAKE
11:08:01AM SURE THOSE ISSUES ARE ADDRESSED IN THESE SESSIONS.
11:08:06AM THAT'S WHERE THOSE TOPICS BE ADDRESSED.
11:08:09AM THANKS.
11:08:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:08:14AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO ASK YOU A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION.
11:08:16AM WHEN SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT, THE OTHER THING THAT ARISEN
11:08:20AM WITH THE CLIMATE CHANGE AND FLOODING GOING ON IS PERMEABLE
11:08:24AM SPACE.
11:08:24AM IS THAT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED SOMEWHERE?
11:08:29AM BESIDES THE LANDSCAPE WILLING AND TREES, IF SOMEONE PUTTING
11:08:33AM OUT AS QUALITY FOR A PARKING LO THE, IF IT IS PERMEABLE IT
11:08:38AM WILL PREVENT FLOODING AND RUNNING IN THE STREET.
11:08:41AM >> POLICIES IN ONE CHAPTER THEIR SPEAK TO LOW-IMPACT
11:08:45AM DEVELOPMENT.
11:08:45AM PERMEABLE SURFACES AND PERMEABLE PARKING, AND THE
11:08:49AM IMPLEMENTATION HAMS HA THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND
11:08:52AM THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
11:08:53AM >>BILL CARLSON: FOR THE SAME CONVERSATION WE JUST HAD, ANY
11:08:56AM INCENTIVES TO GET PEOPLE TO PUT PERMEABLE SPACE WILL HELP A
11:09:00AM LOT BECAUSE SO MUCH FLOODING AND ITS GETTING WORSE AND
11:09:02AM WORSE.
11:09:03AM >> THANK YOU.
11:09:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
11:09:04AM MISS POYNOR, ARE YOU ON THE LINE.
11:09:09AM >> YES, CAN YOU HEAR ME?
11:09:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, MA'AM.
11:09:12AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
11:09:13AM MY NAME IS STEPHANIE POYNOR.
11:09:17AM I WANT TO FOLLOW UP A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I GAVE IN THE
11:09:20AM FEEDBACK WITH THE OFFICIAL PRESENTATION THAT WAS SENT
11:09:22AM EARLIER -- THE ONE THAT WAS DONE EARLIER.
11:09:25AM FIRST OF ALL, WE TALK OF DENSITY, DENSITY, DENSITY.
11:09:28AM ABOUT.
11:09:29AM WE ALL KNOW SOUTH TAMPA IS A PENINSULA AND MOST IN THE
11:09:35AM COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
11:09:38AM WE REALLY NEED TO DEVELOP THIS.
11:09:42AM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DECIDED TO SELL 25 ACRES OF OUR LAND,
11:09:47AM SCHOOL DISTRICT LAND TO PUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR ANY TIME
11:09:50AM OF HOUSING ON OUR PENINSULA WHEN WE ARE ALREADY OVERRUN.
11:09:55AM WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO GET THAT TO BE RECOGNIZED IN THE
11:09:59AM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND FOR EACH NEIGHBOR, EACH COMMUNITY.
11:10:04AM WE HAVE HALF A DOZEN COMMUNITIES WITHIN THE CITY WHO HAVE
11:10:07AM THEIR OWN LAND USE CODE.
11:10:09AM THEY SHOULD HAVE THEIR OWN PLANNING DISTRICT.
11:10:11AM WE HAVE IN THE LAST THREE OR FOUR MONTHS, WE HAD TWO HUGE
11:10:15AM ISSUES BECAUSE THESE FIVE PLANNING DISTRICTS ARE NOT ALIGNED
11:10:21AM WITH WHERE PEOPLE ACTUALLY THINK THEY LIVE.
11:10:23AM I MEAN, THE CONVERSATION ABOUT ADUs WERE HAD.
11:10:27AM AND PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT -- WHO WILL TELL YOU AND SWEAR ON A
11:10:31AM STACK OF BIBLES THAT THEY LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA FOUND OUT THAT
11:10:34AM THEY LIVE IN THE CENTRAL PLANNING DISTRICT.
11:10:36AM SEMINOLE HEIGHTS HAVE THEIR OWN RULES.
11:10:41AM YBOR HAVE THEIR OWN RULES.
11:10:43AM WHY NOT ADDRESSING THAT IN THEIR RULES.
11:10:45AM HERE IS THE OTHER THING, WHY SHOULD WE HAVE MANY
11:10:52AM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS AND BEST OF THE BRIGHTEST OF
11:10:55AM LAND USE PLANNERS AT WORK IN OUR CITY AND WHAT THEY ARE
11:10:59AM DOING IS COMING IN BEHIND THEM WHEN WE DO COMP PLANS AND
11:11:02AM SAYING WHAT THOSE PEOPLE SAID WASN'T LAW AND GARBAGE AND
11:11:07AM LET'S DO WHAT WE WANT.
11:11:11AM TIME TO REALISTICALLY TAKE A LOOK HOW MANY COMP PLANS WE
11:11:15AM HAVE AND WE NEED TO HAVE SOLID STATEMENTS THAT SAY THAT YOU
11:11:21AM CAN NOT MAKE CHANGES TO THE COMP PLAN.
11:11:23AM JUST NO REASON FOR IT.
11:11:25AM SO WE CANNOT HAVE DENSITY IN EVERY SINGLE AREA AND NEEDS TO
11:11:30AM BE VERY WELL SPELLED OUT FOR THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
11:11:35AM PLACES LIKE THE SOUTH OF GANDY WHERE IT IS AN EVACUATION
11:11:39AM ISSUE ON TOP OF THE FACT A TRAFFIC AND DENSITY ISSUE IN AN
11:11:43AM AREA WHERE THE ONLY WAY OUT IS NORTH.
11:11:46AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:11:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
11:11:48AM ANYONE ELSE IN CHAMBERS LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS AGENDA ITEM?
11:11:53AM WE HAVE NO ONE ELSE ON LINE.
11:11:54AM THANK YOU.
11:11:55AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3, CM 21-71874.
11:12:09AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WAS CONTINUED.
11:12:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4, FILE NUMBER CM
11:12:22AM 22-76980.
11:12:22AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:12:30AM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST THE -- JUST TO SET THIS UP.
11:12:33AM THIS JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY, THIS WAS A MOTION BACK IN
11:12:39AM NOVEMBER WAY BEFORE THE CAMPAIGNS -- AT LEAST MY CAMPAIGN
11:12:42AM STARTED.
11:12:43AM I HAD A LONG CONVERSATION WITH THE PBA, PEOPLE WHO ARE IN
11:12:49AM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, PEOPLE WHO ARE OUTSIDE OF THE POLICE
11:12:51AM DEPARTMENT.
11:12:51AM I TALKED TO POLICE OFFICERS ON THE STREET.
11:12:53AM ASKED THEM WHAT THEY NEED.
11:12:55AM THE CONSENSUS IS WE NEED MORE POLICE OFFICERS.
11:12:58AM AND NUMBER I HAVE BEEN GIVEN CONSISTENTLY IS 200 BECAUSE
11:13:04AM WHAT THE CITY USED TO HAVE.
11:13:05AM ANYWAY THE POLICE CHIEF AND PBA ARE HERE TO COMMENT ON IT.
11:13:09AM THANK YOU.
11:13:09AM >>LEE BERCAW: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
11:13:12AM I WILL SPARE MY INTRODUCTION AGAIN FOR THE SIXTH TIME.
11:13:15AM BUT THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE YOU TODAY
11:13:18AM TO DISCUSS SAFETY, CRIME RATES AND NUMBERS.
11:13:21AM NOTHING MORE THAN I AM THAN OPEN.
11:13:27AM AS SOON AS I HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY THERE IS A CONCERN OF
11:13:29AM A RFP.
11:13:32AM I WANT TO STOP IT AND HEAR IT AND I APPRECIATE YOUR
11:13:36AM FEEDBACK, THE OFFICERS' FEEDBACK, THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE
11:13:39AM UNION.
11:13:39AM I FEEL THAT WORKING TOGETHER IS THE BEST THINGS TO GET
11:13:42AM THINGS DONE.
11:13:42AM WHEN YOU APPROVED MY APPOINTMENT TO THIS POSITION AND
11:13:46AM ENTRUSTED ME TO THIS ROLE, I ENSURED YOU I WOULD WORK TO
11:13:50AM MAKE DECISIONS THAT ARE RIGHT FOR OUR RESIDENTS, OUR
11:13:52AM OFFICERS, AND OUR VISITORS.
11:13:54AM AND STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY SEVERAL MONTHS LATER LOOKING TO
11:14:00AM REASSURE YOU ALL THE EXACT SAME THING.
11:14:02AM I AM VERY PROUD OF OUR OFFICERS AND THE HARD WORK THEY HAVE
11:14:05AM DONE.
11:14:06AM I AM PROUD OF OUR COMMUNITY FOR STEPPING UP.
11:14:09AM OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, I SEE COMMUNITIES STEP ON
11:14:13AM VIOLENT TEAM AND GIVING US TIPS I HAVEN'T SEEN IN SOME
11:14:16AM WHILE.
11:14:16AM I AM PROUD OF THE RELATIONSHIPS WE HAVE WITH OTHER
11:14:19AM STAKEHOLDERS WHETHER IT IS THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, YOU NAME
11:14:22AM IT.
11:14:22AM TEMPLE TERRACE.
11:14:23AM THE OUTPOURING OF SUPPORT FROM THIS COMMUNITY AND OTHER LAW
11:14:27AM ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES AND STAKEHOLDER IS OVERWHELMING, TO SAY
11:14:31AM THE LEAST FROM BEING IN THIS ROLE.
11:14:33AM I WOULD LIKE TO START OFF BY GIVING YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF
11:14:36AM WHERE WE STAND IN TERMS OF VACANCIES AT THE TAMPA POLICE
11:14:39AM DEPARTMENT.
11:14:39AM SO OUR DEPARTMENT HAS 984 AUTHORIZED OFFICERS.
11:14:43AM WE CURRENTLY HAVE 45 VACANCIES WHICH IS LESS THAN A 5%
11:14:48AM VACANCY RATE.
11:14:49AM WE WILL BE HIRING 31 OFFICERS IN LESS THAN ONE MONTH ON
11:14:54AM MARCH 31.
11:14:58AM AND I BELIEVE YOU HAVE INVITATIONS TO THAT SWEARING-IN
11:15:03AM CEREMONY.
11:15:03AM AFTER MARCH 21, THAT WILL LEAVE US WITH 14 VACANCIES.
11:15:09AM SPEAKING WITH CAPTAIN HILL, THE LAST TIME WE CAN
11:15:13AM RECALL HAVING LESS THAN 14 VACANCIES WAS FIVE YEARS AGO.
11:15:17AM WE ARE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AS FAR AS FILLING OUR
11:15:20AM VACANCIES.
11:15:21AM THIS NUMBER DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE 123 RESERVE
11:15:25AM OFFICERS THAT WE HAVE THAT ASSIST US WITH SPECIAL EVENTS.
11:15:31AM JUST THEIR SUPPORT IS OVERWHELMING, YOU MAY NOT KNOW THAT MY
11:15:37AM CAREER STARTED AS A RESERVE OFFICER.
11:15:39AM I GET HOW IMPORTANT THEY ARE FOR OUR AGENCY.
11:15:41AM THE AUTHORIZED STRENGTH OF 984.
11:15:46AM 27% OR 700ISH OF OFFICERS ON THE FRONT LINES ASSIGNED TO THE
11:15:52AM DISTRICTS.
11:15:52AM THE REMAINING OF THOSE ADMINISTERS, 275 OR ROUGHLY 28% YOU
11:15:57AM WILL FIND AS DETECTIVES INVESTIGATING HOMICIDES, SEX CRIMES,
11:16:01AM AND YOU HAVE SEEN SEVERAL OF OUR OFFICERS FROM OUR MAJOR
11:16:04AM CRIME BUREAU DETECTIVES.
11:16:05AM SHIFT COMMANDERS, LIEUTENANTS, OFFICERS THAT DO OUR LARGE
11:16:10AM SCALE EVENT PLANNING.
11:16:11AM YOU KNOW WE HAVE A PLETHORA OF LARGE SCALE EVENTS.
11:16:14AM WITH WE HAVE ONE THIS WEEKEND.
11:16:17AM THE GASPARILLA DISTANCE CLASSIC.
11:16:21AM YOU NAME WHAT THOSE OFFICERS ARE DOING TO ASSIST.
11:16:23AM OUR CITIES IS 176 SQUARE MILES.
11:16:27AM ACTUALLY A VERY LARGE CITY.
11:16:29AM WE HAVE A GOAL OF EIGHT MINUTES TO RESPOND TO THE PRIORITY 1
11:16:33AM CALLS.
11:16:34AM AND 12 MINUTES TO RESPOND TO OUR PRIORITY 2 CALLS.
11:16:37AM OUR AVERAGE TIME LAST YEAR FOR PRIORITY 1 CALL WAS ROUGHLY
11:16:42AM FOUR AND A HALF MINUTES.
11:16:43AM FOR A PRIORITY 2 CALL, FIVE AND A HALF MINUTES, SO WELL BELOW
11:16:47AM OUR GOALS.
11:16:48AM EVERY OFFICER IS ASSIGNED TO THAT ZONE.
11:16:51AM THEY THINK OF THAT ZONE THEIR HOME, BASE, AREA WHEN THEY ARE
11:16:54AM AVAILABLE THEY PATROL, BUT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT
11:16:59AM THEY CAN SAY IN THAT ZONE.
11:17:01AM THEY CAN BACK UP THEIR ZONE PARTNER.
11:17:03AM COUNCILMAN GUDES MAY RECALL THAT.
11:17:05AM ADJOINING ZONE.
11:17:06AM YOU MAY BE IN THAT ZONE.
11:17:08AM WHILE THEY ARE ASSIGNED ZONE, THEIR ZONE IS THEIR HOME BASE
11:17:13AM AND MAY ASSIST WITH OTHER THINGS OUTSIDE OF THAT ZONE.
11:17:16AM AT THE HEIGHT OF OUR ALLOTTED PERSONNEL COUNT THAT I CAN
11:17:20AM CALL IT AND I WENT BACK AND DID HISTORICAL BACK TO
11:17:25AM PAM IORIO'S DAY, I COULD FIND AN AVERAGE OF 996 OFFICERS.
11:17:32AM A PERIOD OF ONE YEAR IN THERE JUST OVER 1,000.
11:17:37AM 1020.
11:17:38AM AND THIS WAS A OVERHIRE FOR THE YEAR.
11:17:40AM BUT CONSISTENTLY DURING THAT ADMINISTRATION ROUGHLY 996.
11:17:44AM SO TODAY'S TOTAL OF 984 IS NOT FAR FROM THAT NUMBER AND WE
11:17:53AM PRODUCED TECHNOLOGY MAKE OUR POLICING MORE DIGITAL FOR THE
11:17:59AM REMAINING OF THE OFFICERS.
11:18:01AM THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT IS GROWING ALONG WITH THE CITY
11:18:03AM AND I AM COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH YOU ALL, UNION,
11:18:06AM ADMINISTRATION, CFO TO GROW IN POLICE DEPARTMENT.
11:18:09AM THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING.
11:18:10AM WE ARE LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE.
11:18:12AM I AM WORKING WITH ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS TO COME UP -- TO FIND
11:18:17AM OUT WHERE OUR GAPS ARE IN OUR PRO -- PROJECTION WITH GROWTH.
11:18:25AM SOMETHING TO BRING FORWARD WITH THE BUDGET PROCESS BECAUSE
11:18:27AM OBVIOUSLY THAT WILL COST MONEY.
11:18:29AM I AM PROUD TO SAY THAT WE CONTINUE TO MEET THE DEMANDS OF
11:18:33AM OUR RESIDENTS NOW.
11:18:34AM YOU RECALL, WE PUBLISHED A DECREASE OF 3% IN VIOLENT CRIMES
11:18:42AM AND DECREASE IN CALLS OF SERVICE LAST YEAR 2.4%.
11:18:45AM OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, WE ARE DOWN ALMOST 23% IN CALLS
11:18:48AM PER -- CALLS FOR SERVICE.
11:18:55AM I WENT TO THE MAJOR CHIEFS CONFERENCE IN D.C.
11:19:00AM THEY DID THAT TWO WEEKS AGO.
11:19:01AM THEY DID A SURVEY OF THE MAJOR CITIES.
11:19:03AM THE 2022 DATA OF VIOLENT CRIME.
11:19:07AM I WAS PROUD TO SAY OUR CITY IS ONE OF THE LOWEST IN VIOLENT
11:19:11AM CRIME RATES.
11:19:12AM I HAVE A CHART I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU AND I WILL PUT IT UP
11:19:15AM ON THE ELMO HERE.
11:19:17AM ALL RIGHT, SO THERE ARE 16 SIMILAR POPULATION CITIES TO THE
11:19:46AM CITY OF TAMPA.
11:19:46AM THERE ARE ACTUALLY 18.
11:19:48AM I DID EVERY CITY UNDER 450,000 IN POPULATION.
11:19:52AM THAT'S WHERE WE GOT THOSE NUMBERS.
11:19:54AM THE OTHER TWO WE DIDN'T WANT TO SQUEEZE ON HERE IS SALT LAKE
11:19:57AM CITY AND TULSA.
11:19:58AM AND OUT OF ALL THOSE CITIES, WE ARE THE SECOND LOWEST IN
11:20:02AM TOTAL --
11:20:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: CHIEF, CAN YOU PLEASE PUT THAT DOWN.
11:20:06AM I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU.
11:20:08AM SCALE THAT DOWN SO THE WHOLE FRAME CAN BE SEEN.
11:20:12AM I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU
11:20:15AM LITTLE BIT MORE.
11:20:16AM >> HOW IS THAT?
11:20:18AM GOOD?
11:20:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, SIR.
11:20:20AM >> ALL RIGHT.
11:20:21AM SO THE SECOND LOWEST IN VIOLENT CRIME CAPITA WHICH IS
11:20:26AM OUTSTANDING.
11:20:27AM THE HARD WORK OF ALL OF THE OFFICERS.
11:20:30AM AND YOU MAY RECALL WHEN I WAS BACK HERE EARLY IN JANUARY, WE
11:20:34AM HAD SOME LARGE-SCALE POLICE DEPARTMENTS COME TO SPEAK TO US
11:20:38AM OF VIOLENT CRIME AND WHAT WE ARE DOING.
11:20:40AM WE HAD LAPD, NEW YORK, CHICAGO, PHILADELPHIA WAS HERE.
11:20:47AM NEW ORLEANS WAS HERE, DOJ-BGA CONFERENCE ON BEST SCALE
11:20:53AM PRACTICES AND LARGE SCALE EVENTS AND NOTHING BUT PRAISE OF
11:20:57AM SOME OF THE THINGS WE DO HERE AND THE SUCCESS THAT WE HAVE.
11:20:59AM I WILL TRULY TELL YOU AND I BELIEVE IT IS OUR RELATIONSHIP
11:21:02AM WITH THE COMMUNITY AND OUR COMMUNITY POLICING.
11:21:05AM IT CAN ALWAYS BE IMPROVED, BUT THE OUT OF SUPPORT IN THE
11:21:11AM CITY IS INCREDIBLE AND I CREDIT THE OFFICERS' HARD WORK AND
11:21:14AM OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY FOR THAT REDUCTION.
11:21:17AM >> WHEN IT COMES TO THE CRIME FIGHT, I FEEL WE ARE ON THE
11:21:26AM RIGHT TRACK.
11:21:26AM WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED A NUMBER OF ISSUES IN TAMPA
11:21:30AM COMMUNITY POLICING AND OUTREACH EFFORTS DISCUSS WITH YOU
11:21:34AM BEFORE.
11:21:34AM AND ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THOSE, I WILL BE GLAD TO ANSWER.
11:21:37AM WE ARE ALSO WORKING WITH OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES TO ENSURE THAT
11:21:40AM THE PUBLIC SPACES ARE SECURE AND TO EDUCATE THEM ON THE PEST
11:21:44AM PRACTICES AND PROTECTING THEIR PROPERTY.
11:21:46AM YOU KNOW AS WELL EVERYBODY ELSE WITH THE AMOUNT OF TERRORISM
11:21:50AM AND VIOLENT CRIME THAT IS COMING ACROSS THE NATION EVER
11:21:53AM SINCE 911, THAT IS A MAJOR PART OF OUR POLICE WORK.
11:21:56AM I AM CONFIDENT THAT OUR EFFORTS HAVE BEEN AND WILL CONTINUE
11:22:01AM TO SEE A SUCCESSFUL REDUCTION IN VIOLENT CREAM.
11:22:04AM JUST THIS YEAR ALONE, OUR HOMICIDES ARE ALREADY DOWN 50%.
11:22:08AM SO THE HARD WORK IS PAYING OFF.
11:22:10AM I THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR VOTE OF CONFIDENCE IN SUPPORT OF
11:22:14AM THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT IN
11:22:18AM PRIORITIZING THE SAFETY OF OUR CITY.
11:22:20AM THANK YOU.
11:22:21AM I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
11:22:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, MANISCALCO AND CARLSON.
11:22:26AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SOME COMMUNITIES, ESPECIALLY BLACK
11:22:29AM COMMUNITIES, THEY SAY -- THEY ARE TIRED NOW.
11:22:31AM AND THEY WANT CRIME TO STOP.
11:22:36AM THEY DON'T WANT CRIME IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
11:22:38AM YOU HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO HOLLER ABOUT THE POLICE.
11:22:40AM BUT VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN THOSE COMMUNITIES, THEY WANT
11:22:44AM TO SEE THE POLICE.
11:22:46AM >> YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT.
11:22:47AM AT THE MLK PARADE.
11:22:50AM PEOPLE I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW CAME UP TO ME, THANK ME AND SAID
11:22:53AM WE WANT YOU HERE.
11:22:54AM WE APPRECIATE YOU HERE.
11:22:55AM AND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS NOT JUST YOU, IT IS THE COMMUNITY
11:22:59AM THAT HAS DONE NOTHING BUT SAY THE EXACT SAME THING.
11:23:02AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO I LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS -- I WAS THERE
11:23:06AM BEFORE LEE WAS THERE.
11:23:07AM HE IS ABOUT RIGHT.
11:23:08AM ALWAYS ABOUT 1,000-MAN DEPARTMENT.
11:23:10AM BUT THE CITY HAS GROWN LEAPS AND BOUNDS.
11:23:13AM SO PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE IT, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT
11:23:17AM THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS THAT WE HAVE.
11:23:18AM WE MAY HAVE ZONES, BUT WHEN MAJOR CRIMES HAPPEN, THOSE
11:23:22AM OFFICERS ARE TAKEN OUT OF THE ZONES OR THE WHOLE SQUAD MAY
11:23:25AM BE WORKING A CALL.
11:23:26AM AND PEOPLE CALL AND SAY WHERE IS THE POLICE.
11:23:29AM THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
11:23:30AM ALTHOUGH KNOW IS I DON'T HAVE ANY POLICE SERVICE.
11:23:33AM YOU MAY NEED -- PUT IN THE PRESENTATION AND LOOK AT THE
11:23:38AM NUMBERS.
11:23:38AM GO FROM THIS PER CAPITA, SO FORTH AND SO ON, WE HAVE TO LOOK
11:23:44AM BEYOND THAT AND SEE HOW THE CITY HAS GREEN.
11:23:46AM LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY WITH DENSE AND MORE POPULATION IN
11:23:50AM AREAS AND MAY NEED TO HAVE EACH DISTRICT.
11:23:52AM LEVELED OUT IN EACH DISTRICT BUT DISTRICT THREE MAY NEED
11:23:59AM MORE OFFICERS AND DISTRICT ONE MAY NEED MORE OFFICERS.
11:24:03AM AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT STUDIES AND CREAM IN THOSE AREAS.
11:24:06AM PEOPLE MAY NOT LIKE -- IS PUTTING ON THE BLACK COMMUNITY.
11:24:11AM BUT FOLKS IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY.
11:24:12AM THEY WANT TO SEE POLICE.
11:24:13AM THEY WANT TO SEE.
11:24:14AM THEY WANT TO SEE.
11:24:15AM THAT'S WHAT I HAVE BEEN HEARING.
11:24:17AM AND LOOK AT THE MANPOWER THROUGHOUT THE DEPARTMENT AS FAR
11:24:25AM AS, AGAIN, NOBODY WANTS TO TALK OF GANG VIOLENCE BUT WE HAVE
11:24:29AM WHAT I CALL IT GANGS -- DON'T HAVE THE L.A. TYPE GANGS, BUT
11:24:36AM WE HAVE GANGS IN THE CITY.
11:24:37AM WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE WHAT IT IS.
11:24:38AM EVEN POLK COUNTY IS GOING WITH A GANG TASK FORCE.
11:24:42AM I AM BEING REALISTIC.
11:24:44AM I TALKED TO EVERY CHIEF TO SAY WE NEED SOME KIND OF GANG
11:24:48AM TASK FORCE.
11:24:48AM WE HAD IT A LONG, LONG TIME AGO.
11:24:52AM OFFICERS FAMILIAR WITH THAT COMMUNITY HAVING THEM ON THE
11:24:55AM TASK FORCE.
11:24:55AM THE SHERIFF HAS DONE THINGS THAT CAN CUT DOWN THEIR GANG
11:25:00AM VIOLENCE.
11:25:00AM NOT LIKE WHAT YOU SEE IN L.A., BUT THE SMALL STUFF THAT IS
11:25:06AM BIG.
11:25:06AM GETTING A SQUAD THAT IS FOCUSED ON THAT AND THE PARTNERS TO
11:25:11AM FOCUS AND HELP US WITH THE EFFORT.
11:25:12AM YOU HAVE TO HAVE A STRONG EFFORT.
11:25:14AM PEOPLE TIRED WITH FOLKS ON THE CORNER.
11:25:16AM YES A RIGHT TO BE ON CERTAIN CORNERS BUT WE CAN'T BE THERE
11:25:21AM ALL DAY DOING THINGS WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING.
11:25:23AM I LOOK LAKE AVENUE.
11:25:25AM I GET SICK OF LAKE AVENUE AND THE DISTRICT IS RIGHT THERE.
11:25:28AM WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT LAKE AVENUE.
11:25:31AM I AM GOING TO WRITE SOMETHING UP TO THE CHIEF AND I HAVE A
11:25:35AM PLAN.
11:25:35AM I WAS GLAD FOR HIM TO COME TELL ME THAT.
11:25:37AM BECAUSE I SEE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
11:25:40AM WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
11:25:41AM I WAS PROUD OF HIM TO COME TO MEET OTHER FOLKS AND SAY, HEY,
11:25:46AM WE HEAR YOU.
11:25:46AM WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND OPERATIONAL PLAN FOR
11:25:53AM LAKE AVENUE.
11:25:53AM WE HAVE CRA DOLLARS TO SPRAY THOSE SIDEWALKS DOWN.
11:25:58AM PUT THINGS ON THOSE RIGHT-OF-WAYS.
11:26:01AM WE HAVE MONEY TO DO IT.
11:26:04AM CLEAN IT UP.
11:26:04AM BUY PROPERTY ALONG LAKE AVENUE.
11:26:06AM DO PROPERTY SO WE CAN CONTROL IT.
11:26:09AM THINGS ARE AROUND THAT ARE GOOD.
11:26:13AM WHEN THINGS ARE DIRTY, THEY WILL HANG AROUND DIRTY THINGS.
11:26:18AM WE WILL LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE EFFORTS AND HELP SOME OF THOSE
11:26:21AM POCKET AREAS.
11:26:22AM IN OUR AREA WE TREED TO CLEAN UP 29th AND LAKE.
11:26:25AM IT IS STARTING TO GET BETTER.
11:26:27AM NOW IT IS GETTING BACK TO THE SAME WAY.
11:26:30AM CLEAN THAT UP AND PAINT BUILDINGS.
11:26:35AM I HAVE SEVERAL VACANT LOTS.
11:26:37AM NOT ALL A POLICE ISSUE, BUT SOME OF IT, GETTING WITH THE CRA
11:26:42AM WE HAVE TO FIEND OTHER PARTNERS TO CLEAN UP THE AREA TO MAKE
11:26:45AM THEM BETTER AND THAT CRIME WILL GO AWAY.
11:26:48AM IT WILL GO AWAY.
11:26:49AM >> I I AGREE HE WITH YOU 100%.
11:26:52AM WE COULDN'T BE MORE ON THE SAME PAGE.
11:26:54AM THE BASIC PURPOSE OF POLICE IS TO PRESENT CRIME, NOT RESPOND
11:26:58AM TO CRIME.
11:26:59AM AND ALSO PREVENT DISORDER.
11:27:01AM AND A LOT OF WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS DISORDER AND WE
11:27:04AM DO THAT WITH OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY.
11:27:06AM THE GANG VIOLENCE -- WE DO WEEKLY MEET WITH THE SHERIFF'S
11:27:10AM OFFICE ON GANG VIOLENCE.
11:27:12AM THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS IN THE POPULATION ARE ALREADY THERE.
11:27:16AM FINALIZING OUR PLAN AND PUTTING OUR PLAN TOGETHER.
11:27:24AM LIKE REACHING US WITH THE PHONE CALL.
11:27:27AM WE SPOKE BEFORE.
11:27:28AM I THINK THE COMMENT YOU SAID IS I AM GLAD YOU REACHED OUT
11:27:32AM AND THIS IS THE WAY IT IS SUPPOSED TO WORK AND THAT IS WHAT
11:27:34AM I'M HERE FOR.
11:27:35AM TO WORK.
11:27:36AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU WITH THE TOW TRUCK.
11:27:38AM I GOT SO MANY CALLS AND GLAD THAT YOU SAW THERE WAS A
11:27:43AM PROBLEM AND PULLED THAT RFP.
11:27:45AM WE APPRECIATE CREATE YOU FOR DOING THAT.
11:27:47AM >> THANK YOU.
11:27:48AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
11:27:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:27:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO I THINK IT WAS IN 1987, THE MILLAGE
11:27:56AM INCREASE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA WAS THERE.
11:27:59AM THE MILLAGE WAS INCREASED IN ORDER TO HIRE MORE POLICE
11:28:03AM OFFICERS.
11:28:03AM I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER.
11:28:05AM I THINK THAT IS WHAT IT WAS IN THE FREEMAN ADMINISTRATION.
11:28:09AM MY CONCERN IS YOU SAID THAT WE HAVE X AMOUNT OF POLICE
11:28:14AM OFFICERS THAT VIOLENT CRIMES ARE DOWN PER CAPITA AND
11:28:18AM WHATNOT.
11:28:19AM BUT IT IS THE MENTAL STRAIN OF THE JOB AND WHAT POLICE
11:28:27AM OFFICERS -- NOT JUST PATROLLING A NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT POLICE
11:28:30AM OFFICERS ARE LOOKED AT AS -- PEOPLE EXPECT THEM TO DO SO
11:28:33AM MANY DIFFERENCE THINGS.
11:28:35AM WE TALKED THIS BEFORE.
11:28:36AM YOU ARE THE -- THE SOCIAL WORK ARE.
11:28:39AM YOU ARE THE PERSON WRITING THE SPEEDING TICKET.
11:28:42AM YOU ARE THE PERSON RESPONDING TO THE 911 CALL.
11:28:45AM YOU ARE -- POLICE OFFICERS DO A LOT.
11:28:47AM YOU HAVE TO THINK OF THE PSYCHOLOGICAL EFFECTS AND WHY
11:28:52AM POLICE OFFICERS RETIRE YOUNG.
11:28:53AM THE STRAIN PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY ON 9 BODY IS TREMENDOUS.
11:28:57AM AND WE WANT OUR OFFICERS TO BE ALWAYS SHARP.
11:29:00AM THEY ARE WORKING THESE 12-HOUR SHIFT.
11:29:03AM A QUIET SHIFT.
11:29:05AM I HAVE DONE RIDE-ALONGS WHERE NOTHING HAPPENS AND
11:29:09AM RIDE-ALONGS WHAT YOU SEE ON TV, IT IS CRAZY.
11:29:13AM A CONTINUOUS FOR THE CITY IS ADEQUATELY SERVICED.
11:29:20AM ENOUGH OFFICERS FOR RESPONSIVE 911 TIMES AND NOT WAITING
11:29:23AM FOREVER TO GET THE OFFICER OUT THERE AND SPREAD TOO THIN.
11:29:26AM THAT IS MY CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE HIRE MORE
11:29:30AM OFFICERS?
11:29:31AM DO WE NEED MORE OFFICERS GRADUALLY COMING IN EVERY YEAR,
11:29:35AM EVERY SIX MONTHS HIRING AT A QUICKER PACE BECAUSE NOT JUST
11:29:38AM HIRING BUT TRAINING THE OFFICERS AND THEN THEY ARE ARE THE.
11:29:45AM MY CONCERN AS TAMPA GROWS AND THE POPULATION INCREASES,
11:29:49AM DENSITY AND MULTIFAMILY AND SO MANY PEOPLE MOVING IN.
11:29:52AM DENSITY.
11:29:52AM DENSITY.
11:29:53AM SO MUCH GROWTH.
11:29:55AM DO WE HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE WITH POLICE AND FIRE THAT WE ARE
11:29:58AM ADEQUATELY SERVICING THE AREA.
11:30:00AM THAT IS MY CONCERN.
11:30:01AM A MATTER IF WE NEED TO HIRE MORE OFFICERS.
11:30:06AM YOU TONIGHT WANT TO OVERWORK INDIVIDUALS.
11:30:08AM THEY CRACK OR SUFFER PSYCHOLOGICALLY.
11:30:15AM WE NEED MORE OFFICERS AND HOW DO WE GET THERE AND WHAT IS
11:30:19AM THAT NUMBER.
11:30:19AM >> OUR CONCERNS AS WELL.
11:30:20AM WHY WE ARE LOOKING INTO THAT AND WORKING WITH THE UNION AND
11:30:23AM HERE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION.
11:30:24AM RIGHT NOW WE ARE AT THE NATIONAL AVERAGE OF 2.4 BUT THE CITY
11:30:33AM IS GROWING.
11:30:34AM WE ARE AT A POINT OPTIMIZING STAFFING LEVEL.
11:30:36AM YOU RECALL AFTER THIS CLASS, WE WILL HAVE 15 VACANCIES.
11:30:40AM WE ARE AT THAT POINT.
11:30:41AM WE ARE IN THAT OPT -- OPTIMIZATION AND HOW MANY OFFICERS WE
11:30:50AM CAN PUT IN OUR PROPOSAL AND WE ARE WORKING CLOSELY ON.
11:30:54AM AND TAKE A WHILE TO TRAIN.
11:30:58AM OFFICERS ON THE STREET.
11:30:59AM RIGHT NOW 46 VACANCIES.
11:31:01AM THEY DON'T FEEL THAT UNTIL SIX MONTHS LATER FOR THAT OFFICER
11:31:04AM TO FINISH THAT TRAINING.
11:31:05AM UNTIL WE HIRE THEM AND GET THEM ON THE STREET ON THEIR OWN,
11:31:11AM A SIX-MONTH THING.
11:31:12AM AND WE ARE MAKING UP WITH THAT WITH THE PANDEMIC AND THE
11:31:16AM GROWTH.
11:31:16AM AND CAPTAIN HILL WILL TELL US THAT I HAVE HER IN MY OFFICE
11:31:20AM ONCE A WEEK TO INCREASE THE NUMBERS OF WHAT WE ARE GOING TO
11:31:23AM HIRE AND HOW WE CAN HIRE MORE CLASSES.
11:31:26AM I HAVE A PROPOSAL I'M WORKING WITH THAT AND ALSO ON A
11:31:30AM OVERHIRE.
11:31:30AM THOSE THINGS ARE IN THE WORKS BUT ON THE SAME PAGE.
11:31:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND SOMETHING THAT
11:31:38AM COUNCILMAN GUDES MENTIONED.
11:31:40AM CERTAIN COMMUNITIES WILL SAY I AM GLAD YOU ARE HERE.
11:31:42AM THANK YOU AT THE MLK PARADE.
11:31:46AM WE WANT CREAM TO GO GO AWAY.
11:31:48AM WHEN WE HAVE MORE OFFICERS.
11:31:50AM A BIGGER POLICE PRESENCE.
11:31:53AM I SAY COMMUNITY POLICING.
11:31:56AM I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE ONE OF MY FRIEND'S FATHER IS A
11:31:59AM RETIRED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER FROM ANOTHER COUNTY AND HE
11:32:02AM SAID SOMETHING TO ME SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
11:32:03AM HE SAID I NEVER HAD TO DRAW MY GUN FOR ONE TIME.
11:32:07AM SERVED FOR DECADES.
11:32:09AM TOTAL CAREER 40 YEARS.
11:32:10AM AS AN OFFICER ON THE STREET 20 YEARS.
11:32:14AM HE SAID PAUSE I GOT TO KNOW -- I WALKED THE BEAT AND MY AREA
11:32:19AM I KNEW EVERY BUSINESS OWNER AND KNEW WHO LIVED WHERE AND
11:32:22AM WHAT, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, WHATEVER.
11:32:25AM I KNEW EVERYBODY AND THEY KNEW ME ON A FIRST-NAME BASIS.
11:32:30AM DURING THE '60s AND '70s.
11:32:32AM DIFFERENT TIMES POLITICAL CLIMATES WERE DIFFERENT AND
11:32:36AM WHATNOT.
11:32:36AM THAT IS WHAT I LIKE TO SEE.
11:32:38AM PUT MORE OFFICERS -- PEOPLE SAY I WANT TO GET RID OF CRIME.
11:32:42AM NOT THAT YOU DON'T DO IT.
11:32:44AM NATIONAL NIGHT OUT TO GOING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.
11:32:47AM PD IS OUT THERE.
11:32:54AM IF THEY SAY I NEED HELP, I CAN GO TO THEM.
11:32:57AM NOT LIKE I AM -- EVEN I PANIC BECAUSE SOMETIMES I SPEED,
11:33:01AM WHATEVER.
11:33:01AM BUT THE THING IS THE POLICE ARE THERE TO HELP.
11:33:04AM BUT WE NEED TO -- WE NEED TO CHANGE THE MIND SET AND BUILD
11:33:09AM BETTER RELATIONSHIPS.
11:33:10AM AGAIN WHEN THE OFFICER -- WHEN WE HAVE ENOUGH OFFICERS WHO
11:33:13AM ARE MENTALLY ON THEIR GAME.
11:33:15AM IT IS STRESSFUL.
11:33:16AM ONE 12-HOUR SHIFT AND I CAN'T IMAGINE AFTER -- AGAIN,
11:33:21AM WITNESSING WHAT I AM SEEING IN RIDE-ALONGS AND OTHER
11:33:26AM OFFICERS, A LOT TO TAKE IN AND JUST A DAY'S WORK.
11:33:30AM A BROADER DISCUSSION, BUT I WANTED TO SAY THAT.
11:33:33AM >>LEE BERCAW: A GREAT POINT YOUR PHILOSOPHY IN JANUARY 6
11:33:40AM THAT WAS ENHANCED COMMUNITY POLICING.
11:33:43AM NOT JUST THE EVENT BUT THE DAY TO DAY CALLS AND HOW YOU
11:33:47AM INTERACT.
11:33:47AM BRIANNA FOX FLORIDA USF COME IN AND DID AN OVERVIEW OF
11:33:53AM COMMUNITY POLICING AND PROCEDURAL JUSTICE AND SHE GOES
11:33:56AM AROUND THE NATION.
11:33:56AM SHE GUEST TWO EXAMPLES.
11:33:58AM EXAMPLES FROM OFFICERS HERE.
11:34:00AM ONE AN OFFICER WHO WAS INVESTIGATING THE BURGLARY TOOK THE
11:34:04AM TIME AFTER THE BURGLARY WITH THE OLD LADY THAT HAD HER HOUSE
11:34:09AM BURGLARIZED.
11:34:10AM FRONT PORCH.
11:34:11AM WENT AND GOT A LIGHT BULB AND A LADDER AND CHANGED IT FOR
11:34:18AM HER.
11:34:18AM A NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICER LOOKING OUT FOR ME.
11:34:21AM BRIANNA FOX HAD A STORY FOR SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND THE OFFICER
11:34:25AM CAME FOR WHATEVER REASON AND WAS NERVOUS.
11:34:28AM LEFT WITH THE NAME AND PHONE NUMBER AND SAID I AM THE
11:34:31AM OFFICER WHO WORKED THE ZONE.
11:34:32AM IF YOU NEED ANYTHING, CALL ME.
11:34:34AM BEFORE LEAVING STAYED IN THE BLOCK AND FINISHED HIS
11:34:37AM PAPERWORK THERE.
11:34:37AM THAT INTERACTION MAKES YOU FEEL LIKE, OH, I KNOW MY
11:34:42AM NEIGHBORHOOD COP.
11:34:42AM I HAVE THAT RELATIONSHIP.
11:34:44AM THAT IS WHAT WE ARE PUSHING TO GET THAT OUT ON MOST CALLS
11:34:48AM NOT JUST EVENTS WHERE PEOPLE SHOW UP THAT ALREADY LOVE US.
11:34:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:34:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:34:55AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES, A FEW THINGS.
11:34:58AM FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO STAY FOR THE RECORD AS I HAVE FOR THE
11:35:02AM LAST FOUR YEARS.
11:35:02AM I SUPPORT THE HARD-WORKING MEN AND WOMEN OF THE POLICE FORCE
11:35:07AM AND FIRE RESCUE FOR PUTTING THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE.
11:35:09AM I HAVEN'T ALWAYS AGREED WITH POLICIES THAT MAYORS AND
11:35:15AM PREDECESSORS.
11:35:15AM AND NOT FAIR TO CRITICIZE THEM ON POLICY VIEW.
11:35:19AM A CRITICISM OF THE POLICY IS NOT A POLICY WHAT THEY ARE
11:35:21AM DOING BECAUSE THEY ARE PUT IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY HAVE TO
11:35:24AM IMPLEMENT IT.
11:35:25AM I SHOULD SAY YOU HAVE BEEN INTERIM FOR A VERY SHORT TIME AND
11:35:28AM WHAT I SAY IN A MINUTE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU OR YOUR
11:35:32AM LOPE.
11:35:33AM BRANDON FROM PBA WILL TALK ABOUT STAFFING IN A MINUTE AND I
11:35:38AM WANT TO ADDRESS THAT AFTER HE FINISHES, BUT I THINK THERE IS
11:35:41AM AN ISSUE WITH THE DATA.
11:35:42AM I DIDN'T COME IN WITH ALL THE DATA AND I DIDN'T EXPECT TO
11:35:49AM HAVE A DISCUSSION OF DATA.
11:35:50AM DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE ELECTION, A ROBUST
11:35:54AM DISCUSSION.
11:35:54AM A LOT OF CASES OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS WITH TOILET TO TAP,
11:35:59AM TAMPA SCORECARD, OTHERS.
11:36:01AM WHERE THE ADMINISTRATION IS SENSITIVE TO WHAT THEY CONSIDER
11:36:06AM TO IT BE CRITICISM.
11:36:08AM IF YOU ARE A COMPANY AND COMPANIES HAVE TO AGREE BY SEC
11:36:13AM RULES AND GUIDELINES, YOU HAVE TO PRESENT IT IN A CERTAIN
11:36:16AM WAY.
11:36:16AM GOVERNMENTS, YOU CAN PRESENT SELECTED DATA BECAUSE NOT A
11:36:20AM STANDARD FORM.
11:36:21AM ON THINGS LIKE TAMPA SCORECARD EVEN THOUGH I GOT THE BEST
11:36:24AM SCIENTISTS TO HELP WITH IT, THE ADMINISTRATION SQUASHED THE
11:36:29AM NUMBERS THEY DIDN'T LIKE.
11:36:29AM TOILET TO TAP.
11:36:31AM THE ADMINISTRATION SQUASHED NUMBERS RELATED TO THAT THAT
11:36:35AM THEY DIDN'T LIKE.
11:36:36AM I CAN TELL YOU ON THIS DATA, I HAD CALLS FROM INSIDERS.
11:36:40AM CALLS FROM INSIDE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
11:36:41AM CALLS FROM POLICE OFFICERS WHO HAVE RETIRED.
11:36:45AM I HAVE POLICE OFFICERS STOPPING ME ON THE STREET.
11:36:47AM THEY STOP ME AND SHAKE MY HAND AND SAY THANK YOU FOR
11:36:51AM SUPPORTING US.
11:36:51AM THANK YOU FOR HELPING US GET THE TRUTH OUT.
11:36:54AM THEY ARE SAYING THAT FIRST OF ALL THESE NUMBERS ARE
11:36:56AM SELF-REPORTED AND THEY SAY THIS ADMINISTRATION IS HAVING THE
11:37:01AM REPORTING DONE IN A WAY THAT DOWNSIZES THE NUMBERS TO MAKE
11:37:04AM IT LOOK BETTER AND EVERY TIME THERE IS A CONCERN WHERE
11:37:08AM SOMEBODY ON THE INSIDE SAY THE VIOLENT CRIME RATE IS UP AND
11:37:12AM A PRESS RELEASE THAT SAYS VIOLENT CRIME IS DOWN.
11:37:17AM THE MURDER RATE AND CRIME RATE IS UP.
11:37:20AM AND SOMETHING THAT SAYS THE RATE AND THE AGGRAVATED ASSAULT
11:37:26AM IS DOWN.
11:37:27AM A LOT OF SUSPICION ABOUT THIS AND I DON'T THINK WE ARE GOING
11:37:30AM TO RESOLVE THIS NOW.
11:37:31AM I AM NOT TRYING TO GET INTO A BIG, LONG DISCUSSION.
11:37:33AM BUT THE PUBLIC SEES RISING TIMES.
11:37:36AM INSIDERS ARE TELLING ME RISING CRIMES.
11:37:40AM NOT BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY IS WORKING HARD BUT SOME OF THE
11:37:43AM OTHER POLICIES.
11:37:46AM THE ANSWER I GET TO EVERY POLICE OFFICER ON THE STREET.
11:37:49AM WE NEED MORE HELP AND SUPPORT.
11:37:50AM WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO BE
11:37:54AM TRANSPARENT AND HONEST WITH THE NUMBERS.
11:37:57AM IF THERE ARE SOME NUMBERS THAT LOOK GOOD, WE SHOULD
11:37:59AM CELEBRATE THOSE.
11:38:00AM THERE ARE SOME NUMBERS THAT LOOK BAD, LOOK AT THOSE AND
11:38:04AM FIGURE OUT TO YOU WHO ADDRESS.
11:38:07AM WE DEALT WITH THE CIVIL RIGHTS.
11:38:09AM BIKING WHILE BLACK AND RENTING WHILE BLACK CAME OUT.
11:38:12AM WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND BE HONEST.
11:38:14AM AT SOME POINT HAVE A THIRD PARTY COME IN AND AUDIT THE
11:38:20AM NUMBERS THE WAY THEY ARE PUT AND AUDIT THE WAY THE INTERNAL
11:38:25AM COUNT NUMBERS ARE BEING COUNTED.
11:38:26AM I AM HEARING FEEDBACK FROM POLICE OFFICERS THEY ARE UPSET
11:38:30AM TWO DIFFERENT SOFTWARE PACKAGES.
11:38:32AM THEY SAYS IT REDUNDANT.
11:38:34AM ADMIN BURDEN HAS GONE UP OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
11:38:39AM BRANDON MAY ADDRESS THAT.
11:38:41AM NOT ON YOU OR MAY NOT BE FOR THIS ADMINISTRATION BECAUSE
11:38:45AM THIS ADMINISTRATION INHERITED THINGS THAT WERE CHANGED.
11:38:49AM AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND ADDRESS IT.
11:38:53AM IF THE POLICE OFFICERS NEED HELP AND TELLING US AND PLEADING
11:38:57AM WITH US THAT THEY NEED HELP AND SOMETHING IS GOING ON WE
11:38:59AM NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADDRESS IT.
11:39:02AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE THE CHIEF SPEAKS.
11:39:05AM I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO.
11:39:08AM I AM NOT GOING TO THROW THE CHIEF UNDER THE BUS.
11:39:13AM THAT IS A SIDEBAR.
11:39:14AM I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE ALLUDING TO AND I KNOW THE SYSTEM YOU
11:39:18AM ARE TALKING ABOUT IT. IT HAS BEEN THERE SINCE CHIEF HOAG WAS
11:39:24AM THERE.
11:39:24AM I KNOW -- I NEVER BASHED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN TERMS OF
11:39:30AM WHAT HAPPENS OVER THERE.
11:39:30AM I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AND HOW THE NUMBERS ARE
11:39:33AM CALCULATED.
11:39:33AM AND AGAIN, I CAN TALK IT THE CHIEF AND HE CAN GET BACK TO
11:39:41AM YOU HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS.
11:39:42AM I KNOW WHAT HIGH TEMPERATURE REFERRING TO.
11:39:44AM I NEVER AGREED TO IT.
11:39:46AM AND THE NUMBERS CAN BE SKEWED IN A WAY WHERE IT REDUCES --
11:39:50AM WHEN YOU PACKAGE CERTAIN CRIMES AND ELEMENTS VERSUS THE CODE
11:39:56AM AND ALL THAT -- THE CHIEF IS SMILING SO HE KNOW WHAT IS I AM
11:39:59AM TALKING ABOUT.
11:40:00AM A SIDEBAR NOTE AND HE CAN GET TO YOU ABOUT THAT.
11:40:03AM I DON'T WANT TO BLOW THAT UP IN THE AIR.
11:40:05AM >>BILL CARLSON: TO GIVE YOU ONE EQUIVALENT OUTSIDE.
11:40:08AM THE ADMINISTRATION SAYS OUR ECONOMIC NUMBERS ARE VERY LONG.
11:40:12AM YOU LOOK AT IT, REGIONAL NUMBERS, AND BREAK DOWN TAMPA
11:40:15AM VERSUS EVEN ST. PETE.
11:40:16AM OUR NUMBERS LOOK TERRIBLE.
11:40:18AM THE TOP SIX CITIES IN FLORIDA WERE 5th OUT OF 6th.
11:40:22AM YOU SAID CHARLOTTE.
11:40:23AM NOT CLOSE TO CHARLOTTE NOT MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND
11:40:27AM WE NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE NUMBERS WE DO WELL AND BADLY TO
11:40:30AM FIX THEM.
11:40:31AM IF EVERYTHING IS HUNKY-DORY, SHOULDN'T BE A PERCEPTION OF
11:40:37AM PUBLIC THEY ARE NOT SAFE.
11:40:39AM NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THE HARD-WORKING MEN AND WOMEN.
11:40:43AM I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE STOPPING YOU, BUT STOPPING ME TO
11:40:47AM PLEAD FOR HELP.
11:40:47AM >> COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
11:40:49AM THE BAD NUMBERS.
11:40:50AM I WILL GIVE YOU THAT.
11:40:51AM AUTO BURGLARIES ARE OUT OF CONTROL.
11:40:53AM GUNS ARE BEING STOLEN OUT OF CARS AND ARE IN THE WRONG HAND.
11:40:58AM THE NUMBERS ARE UP.
11:40:59AM OUR VIOLENT CRIME IS DOWN AND NOT A MISLEADING STAFF AND
11:41:04AM BEFORE I EVEN SPEAK ON EVERYTHING, I AM CROSSCHECKING IT
11:41:08AM THREE OR FOUR TIMES.
11:41:09AM I HAD PEOPLE GOING CRAZY UNTIL 7:00 AT NIGHT TO MAKE SURE
11:41:12AM THESE NUMBERS ARE ACCURATE.
11:41:14AM I WOULD NEVER COME UP HERE AND SPEAK ANYTHING INACCURATE.
11:41:17AM IF I DID, THAT WOULD BE A BAD REFLECTION ON ME.
11:41:20AM A BAD REFLECTION OF THE OFFICERS THAT DID THE HARD WORK
11:41:23AM THERE.
11:41:23AM I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT ANYTHING THAT I AM BRINGING IS GOING
11:41:28AM TO BE ACCURATE.
11:41:30AM I CAN AHIRE YOU IF THERE ARE BAD NUMBERS, WE WILL GIVE THEM
11:41:33AM TO YOU.
11:41:34AM >>BILL CARLSON: SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU.
11:41:36AM AUTO BURGLARY NUMBERS.
11:41:37AM SHARE THE OTHER NUMBERS THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON AND IMPROVE.
11:41:41AM SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
11:41:43AM >>LEE BERCAW: AUTO BURGLARIES IS A BIG AREA OF FOCUS FOR US.
11:41:53AM ROBBERIES WERE UP SLIGHTLY.
11:41:58AM AG ASSAULTS WERE DOWN.
11:42:01AM THAT MADE OUR TOTAL DOWN.
11:42:02AM OUR AUTO THEFT WAS UP.
11:42:05AM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN LATELY ON THE LATEST
11:42:08AM TREND OF THE AUTO THEFT WITH THE HYUNDAIS AN KIAS WITH THE
11:42:12AM CHALLENGE ON THERE TO STEAL.
11:42:14AM CLEARWATER WAS PUTTING OUT THE OLD CLUB BACK IN THE '80s,
11:42:18AM TALKING ABOUT THE '80s.
11:42:19AM BRINGING SOMETHING BACK FROM THE '80s TO PREVENT THAT AUTO
11:42:25AM THEFT.
11:42:25AM SOME OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS AUTO THEFTS AND AUTO BURGLARY.
11:42:30AM GETTING PEOPLE TO LOCK THEIR CARS AND TAKE THEIR GUNS OUT OF
11:42:35AM THE CA ARE BECAUSE LEADS TO THE VIOLENT CRIME.
11:42:41AM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
11:42:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:42:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU FOR COMING HERE TODAY.
11:42:47AM I DO MONTHLY RIDE-ALONGS AND I ASK OFFICERS WHAT KIND OF
11:42:52AM THINGS DO THEY NEED HELP WITH.
11:42:54AM A LOT OF STUFF I AM WATCHING AND LISTENING TOO.
11:42:57AM EVERY TIME I AM OUT THERE, SOMEONE ON THEIR SHIFT OUT
11:43:02AM BEHAVIOR REASON THIS THEY ARE DOWN SOMETHING THERE.
11:43:04AM MY QUESTION IS SOMETHING THAT HAVEN'T BEEN BROUGHT UP, WHAT
11:43:09AM IS THE PROPORTION OF THOSE OFF THAT WERE DOWN FOR ROUTINE,
11:43:13AM ILLNESS, FAMILY STUFF, VACATION.
11:43:15AM WHERE WOULD WE BE IF WE HAD ENOUGH -- HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE
11:43:19AM OFF AVERAGE ON A DAILY BASIS?
11:43:24AM >> HAVEN'T EVEN GOT TO THE SQUAD AND WE CAN START BEFORE
11:43:27AM THAT AND TRAINING, TAKES SIX MONTHS OF TRAINING AT THE
11:43:30AM MINIMUM.
11:43:30AM AT THE TIME WE RAN THESE NUMBERS 34 INFIELD TRAINING NOT
11:43:37AM ASSIGNED TO THE SQUAD.
11:43:38AM AND 31 IN HOLDOVER.
11:43:40AM 65 THAT ARE NOT ASSIGNED AND CONSTANTLY TRAINING AND GOING
11:43:46AM THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
11:43:46AM TOP OF THAT, WHO IS OUT ON MILITARY OR LONG-TERM LIGHT DUTY.
11:43:51AM THE LAST TIME WE DID THAT NUMBER WAS 14.
11:43:57AM PEOPLE WITH TIME OFF, ANNUAL VACATION OR SICK DAY.
11:44:01AM THOSE NUMBERS WILL COME IN.
11:44:03AM SOMETHING THAT WE ARE CATCHING UP ON AND THE OFFICERS WILL
11:44:06AM FEEL SOON.
11:44:06AM THEY HAVE A CLASS EXIT -- WHEN IS IT EXITING?
11:44:11AM NEXT MARCH, MAY?
11:44:13AM BEGINNING IN MAY A CLASS IS EXIT SO AND START FEELING THAT.
11:44:17AM I WILL GIVE YOU A QUICK ROUGH IDEA HOW WE ARE IMPROVING IN
11:44:21AM THESE NUMBERS AND I PUT IT IN HERE.
11:44:22AM FROM OUR SHIFT THAT -- AND HOW THINGS ARE LIKED UP AND
11:44:27AM GROWING BECAUSE WE ARE MAKING UP FOR THAT PANDEMIC.
11:44:29AM REMEMBER, WHEN WE WEREN'T ABLE TO HIRE.
11:44:32AM START OF THIS SHIFT BIG IN 2022.
11:44:35AM 32 VACANCIES.
11:44:37AM 28 OFFICERS ON PROBATION.
11:44:39AM THAT MEANS THEY ARE THIS TRAINING IN THE INHOUSE OR FIELD
11:44:44AM TRAINING AND PHASE 554.
11:44:46AM THAT IS 114.
11:44:49AM 19 OF THOSE VACANCIES ALMOST 50%.
11:44:54AM LITTLE OVER 50%, I HELD OUTSIDE OF PATROL.
11:44:57AM I DON'T -- AT MOST TIMES IN THE PAST WOULD GO TO A PAL.
11:45:02AM TO GIVE YOU A PERSPECTIVE ON THAT.
11:45:07AM IN 2021, VACANCIES, WE HAD 57 AND 26 P.O.s AT THAT POINT
11:45:17AM PHASE 5 HAD 29.
11:45:19AM WE ADDED IN 2021 TEN GRANT POSITIONS WITH THE C.O.P. GRANT.
11:45:24AM AND TODAY WE ARE STARTING TO IF I WILL THOSE TEN OFFICERS.
11:45:29AM AND LOOKING AT OTHER OFFICERS US BEING FISCALLY CONSERVE
11:45:35AM FIVE.
11:45:35AM A GRANT THAT WILL STAVE ME MONEY.
11:45:37AM I CHECKED WITH CATHERINE HAYES.
11:45:41AM I CAN APPLY FOR A GRANT AT THE SAME TIME AND GET ADDITIONAL
11:45:44AM OFFICERS THROUGH THAT GRANT ASSUMING WE ARE AWARDED THAT
11:45:46AM GRANT.
11:45:47AM THAT NUMBER WAS 109 POSITIONS HELD A YEAR BEFORE FROM 114.
11:45:52AM AND YOU GO BACK EVEN FARTHER IN 2020, 49 VACANCIES AND AT
11:45:58AM THAT POINT, ALL OF THEM ARE IN PATROL.
11:46:01AM WE DEFINITELY SEE THAT PATROL NEEDS TO BE THE FRONT LINES
11:46:06AM AND HAVE THAT STAFFED AND THEY ARE FEELING THAT.
11:46:08AM THE RESIDUAL OF TRAINING AND GETTING CAUGHT UP.
11:46:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU FEEL THAT ON A
11:46:16AM DAY-TO-DAY BASIS EVEN WITH PEOPLE OUT, WE ARE STAFFED UP TO
11:46:19AM WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
11:46:20AM >>LEE BERCAW: I WOULD SAY -- AND I TALKED TO THE SUPERVISOR
11:46:23AM ABOUT IT YESTERDAY, IF THERE IS NOT -- BECAUSE ALWAYS GOING
11:46:26AM TO BE A SITUATION WHERE UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCE COMES IN.
11:46:29AM SOMEBODY SICK THAT WAS NOT PLANNED FOR AND THEN ADJUSTMENTS
11:46:32AM NEED TO BE MADE.
11:46:33AM AND IF THAT LIEUTENANT ON THAT A SHIFT COMMANDER NEEDS TO
11:46:38AM MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS.
11:46:41AM ONE SQUAD AT 80% AND THE OTHER IS NOT.
11:46:44AM THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE SOMEBODY AND TAKE SOMEONE OFF
11:46:47AM OF SPECIALTY SQUAD.
11:46:49AM AND WE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND WHAT THE SUPERVISOR ARE
11:46:52AM BEING TOLD TO DO.
11:46:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
11:46:57AM I APPRECIATE THAT.
11:46:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:47:01AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
11:47:03AM KNOW I KNOW WE HAVE MR. BARCLAY WAITING IN THE WINGS TO BE
11:47:09AM SPEAKING AS WELL.
11:47:09AM AND SOME THINGS THAT MAYBE MR. BARCLAY COULD BE SAYING, BUT
11:47:14AM NUMBER ONE, THE PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN THAT WE TALKED
11:47:19AM ABOUT BEFORE, COULD BE USED FOR TAMPA FIRE, BUT ALSO POLICE
11:47:23AM FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE WHERE THE PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICE SITS
11:47:26AM ARE IN POLICE AND FIRE AND HOW TO BUILD A FISCAL BRIDGE OF
11:47:29AM HOW TO REMEDY THOSE AND PART OF WHAT THIS DISCUSS IS ABOUT.
11:47:33AM ONE OF THE REASONS BROUGHT IN UP IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER
11:47:37AM PLAN HAD A DISCUSSION OF THE REVENUE GIVEN TO THE CITY OF
11:47:44AM TAMPA THROUGH SEVERAL REVENUE SOURCES.
11:47:46AM CHIEF LEE, THE MILLAGE RATE AND WHAT PEOPLE WANT FROM POLICE
11:47:50AM AND FIRE AND HAVE THAT KIND OF DISCUSSION AS ELECTED
11:47:53AM OFFICIALS, RIGHT.
11:47:54AM THIS IS A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT DISCUSSION BECAUSE IT IS PART
11:47:57AM OF THAT PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN WHICH IS -- WE SEE, DO WE
11:48:00AM NEED MORE POLICE OFFICERS.
11:48:02AM IT APPEARS WE WILL.
11:48:03AM OR THAT WE DO.
11:48:05AM HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST TO HIRE MORE POLICE OFFICERS
11:48:08AM WITH PROPER TRAINING, ADVANCEMENT, ETC., ETC.
11:48:13AM TALK OF IT WITH TAXPAYERS AND CONSTITUENTS IN THE CITY OF
11:48:18AM TAMPA FOR THAT.
11:48:18AM THAT GOES INTO THIS.
11:48:19AM A DISCUSSION THAT WILL BE WELL TAKEN IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
11:48:24AM AND WE SUPPORT OUR OFFICERS AND FIRE FIGHTERS.
11:48:25AM I OFTEN TALK ABOUT THIS A LOT WHICH IS OFTEN OVER THE LAST
11:48:29AM FEW YEARS, THERE ARE TIMES POLITICALLY WHEN CERTAIN
11:48:33AM PROFESSIONS GET ATTACKED.
11:48:35AM I BELIEVE RIGHT NOW IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, TEACHERS --
11:48:38AM PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS ARE BEING ATTACKED.
11:48:40AM I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT.
11:48:42AM I BELIEVE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS PROFESSIONALLY, POLICE
11:48:46AM OFFICERS HAVE BEEN ATTACKED POLITICALLY A LOT NATIONALLY AND
11:48:50AM WHATNOT.
11:48:50AM WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO REBUT THAT HERE IN THE CITY OF
11:48:53AM TAMPA TO SUPPORT OUR POLICE, TO SUPPORT THE WORK THEY DO,
11:48:56AM AND TO NOT GIVE INTO POLITICAL PRESSURE THAT I DON'T BELIEVE
11:49:02AM AND I ALWAYS NOT BELIEVED REPRESENT THE HEART AROUND SOUL OF
11:49:06AM TAMPA THAT SUPPORT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
11:49:09AM I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT.
11:49:11AM SOME SAID ON THE DAIS INCLUDES COUNCILMAN GUDES THIS IS AN
11:49:15AM ISSUE OF EQUITY.
11:49:16AM IT IS.
11:49:17AM BECAUSE YOU LIVE IN A COMMUNITY WHETHER EAST TAMPA, SULPHUR
11:49:22AM SPRINGS, ETC.
11:49:23AM YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE A PRODUCTION THAT YOU HAVE A LOT OF CRIME
11:49:26AM THERE TERRIBLE.
11:49:32AM MARCHES ON THE ISSUE OF EQUITY.
11:49:34AM OUGHT TO HAVE HUGE ROBUST MARCHES.
11:49:38AM THERE WAS ONE THAT I WAS AT AND OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS WERE AT
11:49:43AM TO SAY NO TO THE VIOLENCE AND AS A MATTER OF EQUITY AND
11:49:48AM SOCIAL JUSTICE.
11:49:48AM I THINK THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT.
11:49:51AM BUT PART OF THAT IS SUPPORTING OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND THE
11:49:54AM WORK THEY DO FUNDING THEM AND THE WORK THEY DO.
11:50:01AM AND WE LEARN LOT ABOUT FIRE.
11:50:08AM AND TAMPA IMPLEMENT.
11:50:18AM AND WE MUST BUILD THE SUSTAINABLE AND SUSTAINABLE PLAN AND
11:50:24AM WHEN WE DO THAT, WE WILL BRING THE GAP ANALYSIS BACK.
11:50:27AM >> BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT, ANYONE ELSE?
11:50:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO AT LEAST HAVE
11:50:41AM ITEM NUMBER 5 IN CASE WE -- WE TALK ABOUT --
11:50:51AM >> CAN I HAVE MY COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:50:53AM ARE YOU SPEAKING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:50:56AM >> HE IS ON AGENDA FOR THIS ITEM.
11:50:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: OKAY.
11:51:00AM >> BRANDON BARCLAY, PRESIDENT OF TAMPA PBA.
11:51:10AM I CAN SAY IN ALL MY YEARS OF DEALING WITH PBA BUSINESS AND
11:51:15AM SHERIFF OFFICE AND TPD, LEE BERCAW HAS BEEN FOR AND ABOVE
11:51:22AM REPROACH.
11:51:22AM HE STEPPED IN AS A TRAIN WRECK AND TRY TO TURN THIS SHIP
11:51:26AM AROUND.
11:51:26AM WE CAN'T PUBLICLY THANK HIM ENOUGH.
11:51:30AM WE HOPE THAT HE PUTS IN FOR POLICE CHIEF.
11:51:32AM I KNOW THAT IS DOWN THE ROAD AND I LOOK FORWARD TO STANDING
11:51:36AM BESIDE HIM ON THE PODIUM IF HE DECIDES TO DO THAT.
11:51:39AM THAT BEING SAID, I A AGREE WITH HIM ON ALMOST EVERYTHING
11:51:43AM THAT HE SAID.
11:51:43AM ONLY THING I DO DISAGREE ON IS THE STAFFING.
11:51:46AM WHAT HE TOLD YOU, THE SAME AMOUNT OF OFFICERS AS PAM IORIO
11:51:53AM WAS HERE.
11:51:54AM THAT THE IS PROBLEM.
11:51:54AM YOU GO BACK TEN YEARS OF 2012, WHAT DOWNTOWN TAMPA LOOKED
11:51:59AM LIKE VERSUS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY.
11:52:01AM THE SAME NUMBER OF COPS WORKING THOSE AREAS.
11:52:04AM THAT IS THE PROBLEM.
11:52:05AM PROVIDED THEM WITH NUMBERS THE OTHER DAY ABOUT STAFFING.
11:52:09AM TEN-MAN SQUAD GIVE OR TAKE.
11:52:12AM UNIFORMED PATROL.
11:52:13AM SENT THEM THE NUMBERS THE OTHER DAY.
11:52:15AM SEVEN SQUADS.
11:52:16AM 47 PEOPLE.
11:52:17AM NO FOUGHT OF HIS OWN.
11:52:19AM BUT WE ARE GIVING MONEY BACK.
11:52:21AM LAST CONTRACT ENDED IN OCTOBER.
11:52:23AM THE CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT GAVE BACK TO THE CITY OF TAMPA
11:52:28AM $23 MILLION.
11:52:28AM SO WE ARE NOT EVEN ASKING FOR AN INCREASE.
11:52:30AM WE ARE SAYING SPEND THE MONEY THAT IS BEING BUDGETED AND ADD
11:52:35AM COPS TO THE STREET.
11:52:35AM WE HAVE TO HAVE MORE POLICE OFFICERS ON THE STREET.
11:52:37AM I HAVE BEEN ARGUING THIS SINCE JOHN BENNETT WAS ASSISTANT
11:52:41AM CHIEF.
11:52:41AM AND THE MAYOR WAS CHIEF OF POLICE AT THE TIME.
11:52:44AM WE HAVE BEEN BEGGING FOR THIS FOR YEARS.
11:52:47AM I KNOW THAT CHIEF BERCAW SAYS HE IS WILLING TO WORK FOR IT.
11:52:52AM WE WILL COME UP WITH NUMBERS TOGETHER.
11:52:54AM BUT WE ARE CRITICALLY SHORT IN PATROL.
11:52:57AM WE CAN TALK ABOUT PERCENTAGES AND DAZZLE EVERYBODY ALL DAY
11:53:00AM WITH CRIME RATES.
11:53:01AM I BELIEVE THAT 100% THAT THE CRIME RATES HE HAS TOLD YOU,
11:53:05AM THE REDUCTIONS ARE ABSOLUTELY THE REAL NUMBERS.
11:53:07AM I DON'T BELIEVE ANY FABRICATION OF THAT.
11:53:10AM I THINK WE CAN DISAGREE ON SOME OF THE COMPUTER TRACKING FOR
11:53:14AM CALLS OF SERVICE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
11:53:15AM YOU CAN ALWAYS LOOK AT DIFFERENT DATA, DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT
11:53:20AM WE ABSOLUTELY NEED UNIFORM PATROL.
11:53:22AM ZERO REASON WE SHOULD HAVE A PATROL WITH ONE SUPERVISOR AND
11:53:27AM FIVE OFFICERS WORKING THE STREET.
11:53:28AM NO MATTER WHAT THAT REGION, SICK REMEMBER INJURED, WE NEED
11:53:32AM THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO STAFF THAT AND I BELIEVE
11:53:34AM HE IS WILLING TO GET US THERE.
11:53:36AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN?
11:53:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:53:40AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: USED TO BE THE AVERAGE OFFICER ON A SQUAD
11:53:44AM WAS, WHAT, NINE TO TEN?
11:53:48AM FAT SQUAD?
11:53:50AM >> FULL SQUAD DEPENDING WHERE THE SQUAD IS BECAUSE SOME WERE
11:53:53AM BIGGER THAN OTHERS AND TALKING OF DISTRICT THREE, SOME OF
11:53:56AM THOSE SQUADS ARE BEEFED UP.
11:53:59AM FULL SQUAD IS TEN AND REMEMBER HAVE ALL THE PEOPLE IN
11:54:02AM TRAINING AND HAVE MILITARY, LONG-TERM --
11:54:06AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: BASICALLY IN ZONES.
11:54:09AM AS BRANDON WAS SAYING, FILLING THE ZONE.
11:54:12AM SOMEBODY CALLS OUT SICK, YOU HAVE TO KILL A ZONE OR BORROW
11:54:15AM SOMEBODY.
11:54:20AM >>LEE BERCAW: AGAIN, NO ZONE THAT WILL BE KILLED.
11:54:23AM ABSOLUTELY NOT.
11:54:24AM NO ZONE THAT WILL BE KILLED AND BUFFERS TO SUPPLEMENT THOSE
11:54:30AM ZONES AND WHAT I SPOKE TO OF THE SERGEANTS AND LIEUTENANTS
11:54:33AM AND MAKING THAT DECISION.
11:54:34AM A DECISION THAT A SUPERVISOR SOMETIMES MAKE A TOUGH
11:54:37AM DECISION.
11:54:37AM TAKE A BODY FROM A SQUAD THAT IS FULL.
11:54:39AM AND MOVE IT ON TO A SQUAD THAT IS NOT.
11:54:42AM AND THOSE ARE THE DECISIONS WE EXPECT OUR SUPERVISORS AND
11:54:46AM LIEUTENANTS TO MAKE AND WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
11:54:49AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: TALK ABOUT THE $23 MILLION.
11:54:51AM THE $23 MILLION THAT MAYBE THE ADMINISTRATION SAID THEY
11:54:54AM WANTED EACH DEPARTMENT HEAD TO LOOK AT HOW THEY CAN CUT
11:54:57AM MONEY HERE AND MONEY SOMEWHERE AND PUT BACK IN THE GENERAL
11:55:00AM FUND?
11:55:00AM OR JUST YOU BEING GRACIOUS AND GIVE $23 MILLION BACK.
11:55:05AM >>LEE BERCAW: I DID NOT GET BACK ANY MONEY AT ALL.
11:55:08AM >> I AM GOING AFTER THE REPORT.
11:55:09AM BUDGETED FOR TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT AT THE END OF THE DAY,
11:55:13AM SPENT $23 MILLION LESS THAN WHAT WAS BUDGETED OVER THE
11:55:16AM THREE-YEAR CONTRACT.
11:55:17AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
11:55:21AM >>LEE BERCAW: I AM NOT SURE OF THE NUMBERS HE HAS ON THAT.
11:55:23AM ANY MONEY GIVEN BACK IS ON VACANCIES THAT WEREN'T FILLED
11:55:27AM YET.
11:55:27AM I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT REPORT.
11:55:29AM OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS LOOKING AT THE BUDGET IN THE POLICE
11:55:33AM DEPARTMENT, I HAVE DONE EVERYTHING I CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT
11:55:35AM EVERY LAST DOLLAR IS SPENT ON NEEDS THAT THE POLICE
11:55:39AM DEPARTMENT HAS.
11:55:39AM WE ARE TALKING OF OPERATING.
11:55:41AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I REMEMBER WHEN THE CHAIRMAN OF THE FINANCE
11:55:43AM AND BUDGET COMMITTEE SAID THERE WAS -- THERE WAS AN
11:55:46AM ADDITIONAL OR UNUSED $5 MILLION.
11:55:48AM AT ONE TIME I ASKED ABOUT THAT AND CHIEF BENEFIT SAID, NO,
11:55:53AM IT WASN'T ACCURATE.
11:55:54AM AND I DON'T KNOW.
11:55:55AM I HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS.
11:55:57AM I WILL HAVE MY STAFF LOOK AT THAT, BUT I THINK AT THIS
11:56:00AM POINT, IF YOU ARE BUDGETED, I CAN UNDERSTAND.
11:56:03AM IF YOU GOT -- GIVEN THE OFFICERS EVERYTHING THEY NEED AND
11:56:08AM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SOMETIMES GIVE MONEY BACK TO THE COUNTY
11:56:09AM WHEN HE FULFILLED ALL THE OBLIGATIONS AND KIND OF THE RIGHT
11:56:14AM THING TO DO.
11:56:15AM IF WE ARE SHORT STAFFED AND WE NEED AN OFFICER.
11:56:18AM WE NEED TO UTILIZE THOSE OFFICERS.
11:56:20AM MY OPINION.
11:56:21AM >>LEE BERCAW: I AGREE WITH YOU 100% SPENDING THAT MONEY AND
11:56:25AM GETTING THE OFFICERS AND GETTING OPTIMIZED LIKE I SAID
11:56:28AM BEFORE AND REASSESSING WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE FROM THERE.
11:56:31AM WHILE WE MAY NOT AGREE ON EVERYTHING, WE AGREE TO TALK AND
11:56:35AM WORK OUT OUR DIFFERENCES.
11:56:36AM AND MAKE A PLAN THAT WILL WORK FOR EVERYBODY.
11:56:39AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: AT LEAST SOMEBODY IS FOLLOWING DO THAT.
11:56:43AM >>LEE BERCAW: THE OFFICERS ARE DEFINITELY MY MAIN CONCERN
11:56:45AM AND TALKED OF MENTAL HEALTH, THE COMPASSION BREAKFAST THIS
11:56:51AM MORNING.
11:56:51AM ONE THING THAT OFFICER WELLNESS IS THE PRIORITY WITH THE
11:56:54AM OFFICERS.
11:56:54AM I JUST SENT A BUNCH OF OFFICERS -- I WANT TO SAY TEN OR 12
11:56:59AM TO PEER COUNSELING GETTING CERTIFIED IN THAT TO HAVE A PEER
11:57:05AM COUNSELOR THAT IS TRAINED AND REACHING OUT WITHOUT TALKING
11:57:08AM TO SUPERVISORS AND THAT WAY WON'T HAVE TO WORRY WHAT IS THIS
11:57:12AM GOING TO COME BACK.
11:57:13AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: DON'T ASK THAT QUESTION.
11:57:16AM >> WHAT HE IS SAYING, A LOT OF PIPES WE LOOK AT WHERE IS
11:57:20AM THERE FAT TO SQUEEZE FROM ONE AREA AND MO OF IT TO ANOTHER
11:57:24AM AREA.
11:57:25AM ALL OF THE POSITIONS, BIKE HEALTH, BEHAVIORAL HEALTH,
11:57:29AM REALTIME CENTER IS ALL OPERATED BY SWORN LAW ENFORCEMENT.
11:57:33AM WE NEED THOSE PEOPLE.
11:57:34AM I AM NOT SAYING WE NEED TO GET RID OF ANY OF THOSE PROGRAMS,
11:57:39AM SINCE THOSE PROGRAMS WERE CREATED WE NEED TO ADD MORE PEOPLE
11:57:42AM TO SUPPLEMENT.
11:57:43AM THEY KEEP MISQUOTING AND SAY 200 SHORT.
11:57:47AM WE ARE NOT 200 SHORT.
11:57:48AM WE ARE CALLING FOR AN INCREASE.
11:57:50AM WHEN WE SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS IT, HOPEFULLY THE NUMBERS WILL
11:57:55AM WORK OUT.
11:57:55AM BUT HE IS THE FIRST PERSON TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE THE
11:57:59AM DISCUSSION IN THE TEN YEARS THAT WAS INVOLVED.
11:58:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:58:03AM >>BILL CARLSON: BRANDON, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE NUMBER IS
11:58:07AM THAT WE ARE SHORT?
11:58:10AM AND I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO TALK -- BY THE WAY I SHOULD
11:58:14AM BACK UP AND SAY THANK YOU -- AS BRANDON SAID THANK YOU TO
11:58:17AM CHIEF BERCAW STEPPING IN THIS SITUATION AND WORKING WITH US
11:58:21AM INTERACTIVELY AS YOU HAVE WITH HIM.
11:58:23AM BUT BRANDON, THIS NUMBER, WHAT DO YOU THINK -- WHAT DO YOU
11:58:26AM THINK THE NUMBER IS?
11:58:28AM IF YOU WALKED RIGHT IN AND TALKING, WHAT IS THE NUMBER.
11:58:31AM >> I AM GOING TO ASK FOR 200.
11:58:33AM I SAID IT PUBLICLY AND SAID IT TO MOST OF YOU ON THE
11:58:36AM COUNCIL.
11:58:36AM IF HE PROVIDES THE DATA THAT SAYS THE OTHERWISE, 120, THEN
11:58:43AM LET'S START WITH 120.
11:58:46AM >>BILL CARLSON: THE THING YOU SAID TO ME ANYWAY -- AND OTHER
11:58:50AM POLICE OFFICERS SAID IT TO ME -- THE ADMIN BURDEN, LESS TIME
11:58:55AM FOR OFFICERS TO BE OUT ON THE FIELD.
11:58:57AM CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THOSE NUMBERS IN A SECOND?
11:58:59AM >> YES, A LOT OF TIMES AND EVEN COUNCILMAN GUDES CAN VERIFY
11:59:03AM THIS, WAY LESS ADMINISTRATIVE STUFF THAT TOOK PLACE WHEN HE
11:59:07AM WAS AN OFFICER VERSUS NOW.
11:59:10AM ALL THESE DIFFERENT DATABASES TO GO IN AND RUN THING.
11:59:13AM EVERYTHING IS ELECTRONIC AND TAKES MORE TIME THAN IS IT DID
11:59:17AM 15, 20 YEARS AGO.
11:59:18AM AGAIN, THEY SAID WE ARE DEALING WITH THE SAME NUMBER OF
11:59:22AM OFFICERS.
11:59:22AM THE REASON OUR CRIME RATE.

11:59:23AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO ASK THE CHIEF OR MAYBE BOTH OF
11:59:24AM YOU, WE'RE GOING TO START GOING THROUGH BUDGET SOON, USUALLY
11:59:26AM BY MARCH OR APRIL, THE CHIEF OF STAFF STARTS BRIEFING US ON
11:59:30AM SOME OF THE IDEAS FOR THE BUDGET, EVEN THOUGH THE FINAL
11:59:32AM BUDGET COMES MUCH LATER.
11:59:35AM BUT IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY CHIEF OF STAFF, MEANING A COUPLE
11:59:39AM OF WEEKS AGO, THE AVERAGE COST PER POLICE OFFICER IS
11:59:41AM $100,000 A YEAR.
11:59:43AM I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ALL IN BENEFITS AND EVERYTHING BUT HE
11:59:46AM KIND OF THREW OUT THAT NUMBER.
11:59:50AM IF WE HIRE 200, THAT'S ABOUT 20 MILLION A YEAR.
11:59:52AM SO THE QUESTION TO CHIEF BERCAW, WHEN COULD YOU THINK YOU
11:59:58AM COULD REASONABLY HAVE A NUMBER TO COME BACK TO US ON?
12:00:02PM BECAUSE WE NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT THE NUMBERS OF
12:00:04PM PEOPLE AND THE COST, AND THEN IF YOU HAD TO PRIORITIZE, ANY
12:00:12PM IDEA WHERE THE MONEY WOULD COME FROM?
12:00:15PM AND IF YOU HAD TO PRIORITIZE, IF YOU HAD AN EXTRA BIG CHUNK
12:00:19PM OF MONEY, WOULD YOU PUT IT ALL IN PEOPLE OR WOULD YOU PUT IT
12:00:22PM IN SOMETHING ELSE ALSO?
12:00:25PM >> YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION, BUT I THINK WE'RE
12:00:27PM PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE.
12:00:29PM I NEED TO OPTIMIZE.
12:00:30PM I NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT.
12:00:32PM I NEED TO ASSESS EVERYTHING.
12:00:33PM IF I THROW YOU OUT A NUMBER OF WHATEVER, IT'S NOT FAIR TO

12:00:36PM SAY THAT WITHOUT GETTING THE DATA, THE BACKUP.
12:00:40PM WE HAVE TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE MONEY.
12:00:42PM AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT COPS GRANTS.
12:00:45PM IF I FIND THAT I NEED OFFICERS I CAN SAVE THE CITY MONEY AND
12:00:48PM USE FEDERAL DOLLARS, THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO DO.
12:00:51PM BUT I HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN TO THAT POINT YET.
12:00:53PM >>BILL CARLSON: MY FIRST QUESTION WAS, WHEN DO YOU THINK YOU
12:00:56PM MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE A PRELIMINARY NUMBER?
12:00:59PM >> IT'S DEFINITELY BEFORE BUDGET.
12:01:01PM IF THERE IS A BUDGET INCREASE THAT WILL BE PART OF IT.
12:01:04PM I DON'T HAVE A TIME FOR YOU.
12:01:05PM WE'RE AT THE POINT NOW WHERE WE ARE OPTIMIZING.
12:01:08PM WHATEVER WE WILL DO WILL BE IN BEFORE THE BUDGET.
12:01:11PM >>BILL CARLSON: MAYBE THIS IS TOO TECHNICAL.
12:01:13PM WHEN YOU START WITH ADMINISTRATION, THIS ADMINISTRATION OR
12:01:16PM OTHER, DOES THE POLICE DEPARTMENT START WITH EXACTLY THE
12:01:21PM SAME BUDGET OR DO YOU GET LIKE WHATEVER PERCENTAGE INCREASE
12:01:24PM THE AD VALOREM IS OR DO YOU JUST START WITH WHAT YOU NEED
12:01:29PM AND KIND OF ZERO IT OUT AND START OVER AGAIN?
12:01:32PM >> I'VE NEVER DONE IT THAT WAY.
12:01:34PM I'VE ALWAYS KEPT THE RED HAT AND ASKED FOR MORE.
12:01:38PM THE LAST TIME I WAS PART OF THE PROCESS, EVERYTHING WE ASKED
12:01:40PM FOR THE MAYOR GAVE US AND DIDN'T EVEN QUESTION.
12:01:43PM THAT WAS MY FIRST TIME IN THAT PROCESS, AND THE FACT THAT
12:01:46PM EVERYTHING WE ASKED FOR AS OUR PRIORITIES WE GOT LAST YEAR

12:01:50PM WAS AMAZING TO ME.
12:01:51PM >>BILL CARLSON: I SHOULD SAY ALSO CITY COUNCIL HAS SUPPORTED
12:01:54PM EVERYTHING THE MAYOR HAS PROPOSED.
12:01:56PM >> ABSOLUTELY.
12:01:56PM >>BILL CARLSON: ANYWAY --
12:01:58PM >> ASSUMING IT WAS A UNANIMOUS VOTE.
12:01:59PM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, I THINK ALL OF THEM HAVE BEEN.
12:02:03PM THE ONLY OTHER THING IS SHOULD WE PUT -- I SHOULD SAY THIS.
12:02:10PM SOME PEOPLE AROUND THE MAYOR HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT -- I
12:02:15PM VOTED AGAINST THE OVERALL BUDGET, BUT THE OVERALL BUDGET IS
12:02:18PM $1.9 BILLION, AND THERE'S A LOT OF FAT IN IT, WHICH I
12:02:21PM OBJECTED TO.
12:02:22PM ALSO OBJECTED TO NOT HAVING ROLL BACK AND NOT BEING FISCALLY
12:02:26PM PRUDENT.
12:02:26PM AS EVERYONE WILL TESTIFY, I FULLY SUPPORTED ALL THE
12:02:29PM EXPENDITURES FOR THE POLICE, INCLUDING THE RAISE.
12:02:32PM I ADVOCATED STRONGLY FOR IT AND VOTED FOR EVERY INDIVIDUAL
12:02:36PM THING RELATED TO IT.
12:02:37PM SOME PEOPLE AROUND THE ADMINISTRATION MISCHARACTERIZE THAT
12:02:39PM WHICH I THINK IS NOT A GOOD THING TO DO BECAUSE IT CONFUSES
12:02:42PM THE PUBLIC.
12:02:44PM BUT IN TERMS OF GOING FORWARD, WHAT I'M SAYING PERSONALLY
12:02:46PM AND I THINK MY COLLEAGUES AGREE IS WE JUST NEED TO BE A PART
12:02:49PM OF A PROCESS SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND IT.
12:02:51PM WE'RE OUT IN THE PUBLIC, AND WE CAN START TO SOCIALIZE IT

12:02:55PM AND THEN WHEN IT COMES UP IN THE BUDGET, THEN HOPEFULLY
12:02:58PM WE'LL HAVE CONSENSUS NOT JUST FROM CITY COUNCIL AND THE
12:03:00PM ADMINISTRATION BUT ALSO FROM THE PUBLIC.
12:03:02PM IF WE START THE PROCESS EARLY INSTEAD OF HITTING IN AUGUST
12:03:05PM OR WHENEVER WITH A BIG PRESENTATION.
12:03:06PM THANK YOU.
12:03:08PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: EXPLAIN TO ME, YOU SAID ABOUT THE
12:03:13PM ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE.
12:03:13PM I'M NOT FAMILIAR, I KNOW WHEN I CAME ON, COMPUTERS WAS NEW.
12:03:16PM I COULD HIT A BUTTON, SAID WHATEVER.
12:03:19PM IF I COULD DO A QUICK ON THE COMPUTER, WHAT'S NEW THAT
12:03:23PM YOU'RE SAYING IS HINDERING THEM WITH ADMINISTRATIVE TYPE.
12:03:27PM >> I WOULDN'T SAY NECESSARILY HINDERING THEM.
12:03:30PM PREVIOUSLY WHEN YOU WROTE A CRA, YOU TYPED UP A REPORT.
12:03:34PM THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF POLICE DATABASES NOW THAT CAN BE USED
12:03:37PM FOR LOOKING UP THINGS, LOOKING INTO PEOPLE, STUFF LIKE THAT.
12:03:41PM WE'RE DOING MORE THOROUGH INVESTIGATIONS ON THE STREET THAN
12:03:43PM WE WERE DOING 15 YEARS AGO.
12:03:45PM THE GUYS AND GIRLS ON THE STREET ARE BORDER LINE DETECTIVES
12:03:49PM INVESTIGATING THE CRIMES.
12:03:49PM IT'S NOT JUST TAKE THE REPORT AND GO TO THE NEXT ONE.
12:03:52PM YOU NEED TO LOOK INTO WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE AREA AROUND,
12:03:56PM ARE THERE CAMERAS AROUND?
12:03:57PM LIKE ALL OF THAT STUFF --
12:04:00PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SURVEY.

12:04:01PM >> EXACTLY.
12:04:01PM YOU DO THE NEIGHBORHOOD SURVEY.
12:04:02PM NOW THEY HAVE CAMERAS.
12:04:03PM WHAT CAMERA SYSTEM?
12:04:05PM NOW HAVE TO OPERATE THAT CAMERA SYSTEM.
12:04:07PM IT'S MORE THAN JUST SHOWING UP TO THE CALL.
12:04:10PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THEY WANT THE OFFICERS TO DO A LITTLE BIT
12:04:12PM EXTRA, PER SE, VERSUS GOING, TAKING THE CALL, GOING 10, 8,
12:04:17PM GOING TO THE NEXT CALL.
12:04:19PM BACK IN SERVICE.
12:04:20PM 10-7 --
12:04:23PM >> QUICK EXAMPLE OF THAT.
12:04:24PM TALKING ABOUT THE SOFTWARE, WE GET IT.
12:04:26PM AND WE ALWAYS TRY TO MAKE THINGS BETTER.
12:04:28PM ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE DONE IS MADE IT WHERE SOME SYSTEMS
12:04:32PM TALK TO OTHERS TO REPEAT DUPLICATE EFFORT.
12:04:35PM THEN THE OTHER PART IS IT'S SITUATIONAL AWARENESS AND IT'S
12:04:40PM REAL-TIME AND YOU NEED TO KNOW IT.
12:04:41PM LIKE IF YOU ARE INVESTIGATING A SEX CRIME ACROSS THE STREET
12:04:44PM AND YOU DON'T HAVE THAT SITUATIONAL AWARENESS THAT A SEX
12:04:47PM OFFENDER LIVES RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET AND MATCHES YOUR
12:04:50PM DESCRIPTION, THEN YOU'RE NOT DOING YOUR JOB.
12:04:52PM SO THAT'S THAT AWARENESS THAT WE NEED TO GIVE THE OFFICERS
12:04:55PM TO HAVE.
12:04:55PM AND TO STREAMLINE IT AND MAKE IT EASIER, WE'RE ALL ABOUT

12:05:00PM THAT, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THE COPS THAT HAVE THE INFORMATION
12:05:02PM IN REAL-TIME.
12:05:04PM >> WE'RE NOT SAYING THE TECHNOLOGY IS BAD.
12:05:06PM WE'RE SAYING IT EXISTS AND TAKES MORE TIME THAN IT TYPICALLY
12:05:08PM WOULD HAVE TAKEN IN YEARS' PAST.
12:05:10PM WE'RE NOT KNOCKING THE TECHNOLOGY, OBVIOUSLY.
12:05:13PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I JUST WANT TO GET A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING
12:05:16PM WHAT THAT MEANT.
12:05:17PM ALL RIGHT.
12:05:17PM I GET IT.
12:05:18PM I GET IT.
12:05:19PM I KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
12:05:20PM THANK YOU, SIR.
12:05:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
12:05:23PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
12:05:25PM JUST REALLY QUICK, IF I MAY.
12:05:27PM NUMBER ONE, I WANTED TO AGREE WHAT MR. BERCAW SAID, THE
12:05:35PM INTERIM CHIEF.
12:05:36PM YOU DO A GREAT JOB.
12:05:37PM IF YOU WERE CHIEF, WITH THE INFORMATION I HAVE, I THINK YOU
12:05:38PM DO A STELLAR JOB.
12:05:39PM FOR WHATEVER THAT IS WORTH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:05:42PM POTENTIALLY WE WERE HAVING THE PUBLIC SAFETY PLAN COMING
12:05:46PM BACK TO US I THINK MARCH 16.
12:05:48PM IF IT IS, I KNOW COUNCIL WILL DISCUSS IT TODAY AND THAT'S

12:05:51PM FINE.
12:05:52PM BUT IF IT DOES COME BACK TO US FOR THE FULL DISCUSSION ON
12:05:55PM MARCH 16 WE CAN DISCUSS THIS.
12:05:57PM IF I'M HEARING COUNCIL RIGHT, BY THE WAY, THERE IS A LOT OF
12:06:00PM INTEREST IN BOTH POLICE AND FIRE.
12:06:01PM I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION FOR IT TODAY BUT I WANT TO
12:06:04PM EXPLORE IT IN THE NEXT WEEK.
12:06:06PM WE MAY WANT TO DO THE MASTER PLAN ONE WEEK FOR POLICE AND
12:06:10PM THE NEXT WEEK FOR FIRE BECAUSE BOTH MAY BE VERY ROBUST
12:06:13PM DISCUSSIONS, AND I WOULD HATE TO SHORTCHANGE ONE AT THE
12:06:18PM EXPENSE OF THE OTHER.
12:06:19PM I MAY COME BACK WITH THAT NEXT WEEK.
12:06:21PM I'LL TALK WITH THE STAFF, UNIONS, TPD ABOUT IT, ET CETERA,
12:06:25PM JUST AS AN IDEA THERE.
12:06:28PM >> QUICK COMMENT.
12:06:29PM MORE THAN HAPPY TO COME AND DO THAT.
12:06:31PM BUT THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE, I'M GOING TO NEED MORE
12:06:34PM THAN MARCH 16 IN DETAIL.
12:06:38PM >>LUIS VIERA: ABSOLUTELY.
12:06:38PM I APPRECIATE THAT.
12:06:39PM THEY ARE VERY BIG THINGS.
12:06:40PM WE CAN ALSO TALK ABOUT THE GRADUAL, IF THERE IS A NEED FOR
12:06:44PM 200 POLICE OFFICERS, AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS, A GRADUAL, 20
12:06:49PM THIS YEAR, 20 NEXT YEAR, MAKING UP NUMBERS, WHATEVER IT MAY
12:06:53PM BE.

12:06:53PM IT WILL REQUIRE TOUGH CHOICES ON THE PART OF THIS CITY AND
12:06:56PM CITY COUNCIL WITH REGARDS TO THE BUDGET AND REVENUE,
12:06:59PM ET CETERA.
12:06:59PM THINGS THAT I THINK WHEN WE EXPLAIN IT TO THE PEOPLE IN
12:07:02PM TAMPA ARE NOT GOING TO BE TOUGH, BUT THERE ARE STILL STUFF
12:07:06PM POLITICAL CHOICES TO MAKE.
12:07:07PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:07:08PM >> FOR THE RECORD, THERE'S 200 COPS RIGHT NOW.
12:07:11PM IF YOU WERE TO GIVE THEM TO ME, I WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO
12:07:14PM WITH THEM.
12:07:15PM I NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S BEST TO PUT THAT NUMBER ON THERE
12:07:17PM I THINK IS COMPLETELY UNFAIR.
12:07:19PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
12:07:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
12:07:25PM CHIEF, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR STANDING HERE TODAY.
12:07:31PM JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE, RESERVE OFFICERS CANNOT
12:07:36PM FILL IN FOR COPS ON THE BEAT.
12:07:40PM THEY ARE THERE FOR SPECIAL EVENTS AND WHATNOT.
12:07:44PM >> IN A WAY.
12:07:45PM THE MAJORITY OF THEM DO SPECIAL EVENTS.
12:07:48PM THERE ARE DIFFERENT CLASSES OF THEM.
12:07:49PM RESERVES ONE, TWO, AND THREE.
12:07:51PM AND DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT IS, THEY COULD RIDE AND BE A
12:07:54PM BACKUP WITH THE OFFICER IN THE CAR.
12:07:57PM IF THEY ARE A RESERVE TWO, THEY COULD RIDE THEMSELVES IN A

12:08:01PM CAR.
12:08:02PM WHEN I WAS AN FTO AND I DIDN'T HAVE A PROBATIONARY OFFICER
12:08:07PM AT THE TIME, I WOULD HAVE RESERVES COME AND RIDE WITH ME AND
12:08:09PM THEN THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE OTHER OFFICERS FROM HAVING TO BACK
12:08:12PM ME UP BECAUSE I ALREADY HAD MY BACKUP IN THE CAR.
12:08:15PM YES, THEY CAN.
12:08:16PM TO BE FAIR MAJORITY WORK SPECIAL EVENTS, SOME CAN WORK THE
12:08:20PM OTHER ASSIGNMENTS.
12:08:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE THERE PLANS THROUGH ATTRITION?
12:08:25PM I'M SURE WE HAVE RETIREES COMING UP SOON, PHYSICAL
12:08:29PM DISABILITIES AND WHATNOT.
12:08:29PM IS THAT PART OF THE PLAN OF HIRING NEW POLICE OFFICERS?
12:08:32PM INSTEAD OF JUST TO FILL --
12:08:35PM >> ADDITIONAL RESERVES, YES, THAT'S ALWAYS --
12:08:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'M TALKING FULL ACTIVE DUTY.
12:08:39PM >> WHAT IS THE QUESTION ABOUT IT?
12:08:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: FOR ON THE STREET TPD.
12:08:45PM >> YES.
12:08:47PM I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T FOLLOW YOU.
12:08:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU FOR ARTICULATING MY POINT.
12:08:51PM >> YES, WE ACTUALLY PROJECT THAT OUT FOR THREE YEARS NOW.
12:08:53PM >> YEAH, OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS, 67 PEOPLE WILL BE
12:08:56PM LEAVING THE JOB.
12:08:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: EVEN THOUGH WE'RE THINKING AHEAD, WE STILL
12:09:02PM GOT TO KEEP UP.

12:09:04PM IF WE'RE LOSING 20 AND ONLY HIRING 15, THAT MEANS WE'RE
12:09:08PM STILL DOWN 5.
12:09:09PM >> IF YOU WANT, COULD SHOW YOU THE CHART AND CONFUSE THE
12:09:12PM HECK OUT OF YOU.
12:09:13PM YES, WE HAVE PROJECTED THE EXACT SCENARIOS ON WHERE WE NEED
12:09:15PM TO STAY ABOVE WATER AND NOT LET OURSELVES GET DOWN WHERE WE
12:09:18PM DID BEFORE THE PANDEMIC.
12:09:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THROWING OTHER FIGURES IN THERE TOO.
12:09:26PM HYPOTHETICAL, SAY ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY TAKING OFF, THAT'S
12:09:29PM TAKING AWAY AN OFFICER ON THE BEAT.
12:09:30PM WE HAVE SOMEBODY HAVING SOME FAMILY MEDICAL ISSUES.
12:09:33PM THAT'S TAKING ANOTHER ONE OFF.
12:09:35PM YOU HAVE TRAINING.
12:09:36PM SO IF ALL THREE OF THOSE COMBINED TOGETHER, THEN WE'RE
12:09:40PM REALLY DOWN OFFICERS IN OUR DIFFERENT AREAS.
12:09:43PM SO I'M HOPING THAT WE'RE STARTING TO THINK AHEAD ON THOSE
12:09:46PM SEVEN THINGS, ESPECIALLY THROUGH ATTRITION, RETIREMENT, AND
12:09:48PM WHATNOT.
12:09:50PM >> IN ADDITION TO THE ONES THAT WE ARE PLANNING THAT ARE
12:09:52PM LEAVING, WE ACTUALLY PROJECT UNPLANNED LEAVES IN OUR
12:09:56PM CALCULATIONS.
12:09:56PM THAT'S ALL TO GET AHEAD OF THE CURVE.
12:09:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, CHIEF.
12:10:00PM I'M NOT GOING THERE.
12:10:08PM NEXT TIME I'LL GO THERE.

12:10:10PM ALL RIGHT.
12:10:11PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5, FILE NUMBER CM23-79625.
12:10:19PM CHIEF?
12:10:22PM CHIEF, I APOLOGIZE.
12:10:32PM IT WAS RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF ME.
12:10:34PM MS. STEPHANIE POYNOR?
12:10:36PM SHE'S NOT THERE.
12:10:37PM OKAY.
12:10:37PM CHIEF, GO AHEAD.
12:10:38PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: GOOD MORNING, BARBARA TRIPP, CHIEF OF TAMPA
12:10:42PM FIRE RESCUE.
12:10:43PM I DID SEND A MEMO IN REGARDING THE ITEM.
12:10:46PM IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ADDRESS THEM.
12:10:48PM WE DO CONSTANTLY HAVE MEETINGS OFTEN TO REVIEW THE
12:10:51PM INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN GIVEN OUT ABOUT THE DELAY WITH THE
12:10:56PM HOSPITALS AS FAR AS UNITS NOT BEING AVAILABLE.
12:11:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:11:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT.
12:11:02PM I KNOW YOU AND I HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THAT AS EARLY AS THIS
12:11:05PM MORNING EVEN, JUST DISCUSSING WHAT WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE
12:11:09PM THAT.
12:11:13PM WE WERE AT, ACTUALLY COUNCILMAN VIERA AND I BOTH WERE --
12:11:18PM JUST WENT TO WATCH THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT --
12:11:24PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: EMERGENCY MEDICAL PLANNING COMMITTEE.
12:11:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.

12:11:27PM THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING TO SEE HOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
12:11:32PM BYPASS AND BPM, I THINK I HAVE THAT RIGHT.
12:11:38PM NO.
12:11:39PM ANYWAY, BUT THE BYPASS IS THE THING THAT'S MOST INTERESTING.
12:11:45PM THEY TALKED ABOUT THE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE DATA.
12:11:47PM SO I ACTUALLY GRABBED THAT AND OPEN IT PRETTY MUCH I WOULD
12:11:52PM SAY THREE OR FOUR TIMES A DAY, AND THIS MORNING, FOR THE
12:11:56PM VERY FIRST TIME SINCE I HAVE BEEN WATCHING SINCE THAT
12:12:02PM MEETING, TAMPA GENERAL HOSPITAL WAS ACTUALLY OPEN.
12:12:07PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BYPASS, SO MANY AREAS
12:12:11PM IN BYPASS.
12:12:13PM IT COULD BE MULTIPLE THINGS.
12:12:18PM DON'T HAVE PHYSICIANS, BEDS, ACCUMULATION OF STUFF.
12:12:20PM IN THE HOSPITAL, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE SYSTEM HERE VERSUS
12:12:23PM PINELLAS COUNTY, THEY HAVE A HOSPITAL ON EVERY CORNER.
12:12:25PM WELL, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU WE ONLY HAVE TWO MAJOR
12:12:27PM HOSPITALS.
12:12:28PM ONE LEVEL ONE, LEVEL TWO, AND THE OTHER ONES ARE HOSPITALS
12:12:31PM THAT ACTUALLY DON'T TAKE A LOT OF SEVERE PATIENTS, BUT THEY
12:12:35PM MIGHT TAKE THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE INCREASED LEVEL OF
12:12:38PM SERVICE, BUT EVENTUALLY THAT PATIENT WILL HAVE TO BE SHIPPED
12:12:40PM OUT TO ONE OF THE LEVEL ONES OR LEVEL TWO CENTERS.
12:12:44PM SO IT'S A LOT OF COMPONENTS WHEN THEY ARE ON BYPASS AND IT
12:12:48PM ALL DEPENDS IF THAT PARTICULAR HOSPITAL IS ON BYPASS, IT
12:12:51PM WOULD BE INTERESTING TO FIND OUT WHY.

12:12:53PM IS IT BECAUSE THE TRAUMA UNIT IS NOT AVAILABLE?
12:12:55PM IS IT BECAUSE THE BEDS?
12:12:57PM OR WHATEVER.
12:12:58PM LIKE I SAID, IT FLUCTUATES DAILY.
12:12:59PM IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE CRITICALNESS OF THE CALLS THAT'S BEING
12:13:02PM TRANSPORTED TO THAT FACILITY.
12:13:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IT FASCINATES ME THAT WE ONLY HAVE TWO MAJOR
12:13:08PM HOSPITALS AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO ADDRESS A HOSPITAL SHORTAGE.
12:13:12PM THANK YOU.
12:13:13PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: CREATE THAT DOMINO EFFECT BECAUSE IF TODAY,
12:13:17PM YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT TAKE ME 15, 20 MINUTES TO OFF-LOAD A
12:13:20PM PATIENT.
12:13:21PM ANOTHER DAY IT MIGHT TAKE ME 30, 40 MINUTES.
12:13:24PM ANOTHER DAY IT MIGHT TAKE AN HOUR.
12:13:26PM IF YOU LOOK AT THE DAYS, WHAT HAPPENED IN THE TIME FRAME.
12:13:29PM INFLUX OF CRITICAL PATIENTS?
12:13:31PM SURGERY?
12:13:31PM STAFFING.
12:13:36PM CONSIDERATION WHEN THE HOSPITALS GO ON BYPASS AND, OF
12:13:38PM COURSE, WITH OUR WAIT TIME.
12:13:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
12:13:41PM I DID A RIDE-ALONG ON FRIDAY, AND I WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT
12:13:45PM EARLIER.
12:13:45PM IT WAS A POLICE RIDE-ALONG, BUT WE HAD AN INCIDENT WHERE
12:13:49PM THEY NEEDED TO A RESCUE CAR IN.

12:13:55PM BECAUSE OF THE PERSON THEY NEEDED AN OFFICER TO GO ALONG TO
12:13:59PM PROVIDE SECURITY.
12:14:02PM AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT
12:14:05PM FOR SEVERAL HOURS.
12:14:08PM THE TIMES OF GETTING THAT OFFICER, JUST THE POLICE OFFICER
12:14:12PM BACK ON THE STREET, IT WAS JUST A REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE
12:14:17PM THE WAIT TIME.
12:14:18PM THIS IS LIKE 7:00 ON A FRIDAY NIGHT.
12:14:20PM WAITING.
12:14:21PM I BELIEVE THAT WAS ALSO AT TGH.
12:14:26PM JUST HOW MUCH WAITING FOLKS ARE USED TO DOING ARE FIRST
12:14:34PM RESPONDERS.
12:14:34PM THAT'S CONCERNING.
12:14:35PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: SO EVEN WHEN WE WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS IN
12:14:38PM BLUE TO ASSIST US TRANSPORTING THE PATIENT, AS FAR AS THEM
12:14:41PM WAITING IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION.
12:14:44PM OBVIOUSLY, IT MUST HAVE BEEN LIKE A VIOLENT SITUATION.
12:14:47PM BUT USUALLY TPD OR HCSO WOULD TURN THEIR SECURITY PART OVER
12:14:52PM TO THE HOSPITAL BECAUSE ALL THE HOSPITALS HAVE SECURITY.
12:14:54PM SO A LOT OF TIMES THEY TRY NOT TO HOLD THEM UP.
12:14:57PM IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION.
12:14:59PM BUT FOR THEM -- AND LIKE I SAY, I DON'T KNOW.
12:15:02PM I WASN'T THERE.
12:15:03PM FOR THEM TO SAY, HEY, YOU'LL END UP WAITING IS MORE OR LESS
12:15:06PM GETTING TO THE HOSPITAL AND TO SEE IF THEY HAVE THAT

12:15:09PM AVAILABILITY, SECURITY TO TAKE OVER WHAT LAW ENFORCEMENT
12:15:11PM STARTED.
12:15:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AND THEY DID, BUT THEY HAD TO HAVE THAT
12:15:14PM QUESTION BEFORE OF WOULD SECURITY BE AVAILABLE AND ALL OF
12:15:17PM THAT.
12:15:17PM NO, NO, THAT'S A GOOD POINT MADE.
12:15:20PM YEAH, I DO KNOW THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON THIS AREA, BUT I
12:15:26PM THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO STAY FRONT AND CENTER FOR
12:15:29PM BOTH THE PUBLIC AND OUR ATTENTION.
12:15:31PM THANK YOU.
12:15:33PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I SEE THE UNION PRESIDENT NICK.
12:15:38PM GOOD MORNING, AFTERNOON AGAIN.
12:15:49PM I'VE READ THE REPORT AND ALSO MS. HURTAK HAS HAD THE
12:15:54PM EXPERIENCE NOW AND UNDERSTANDING.
12:15:55PM I DON'T KNOW -- I THINK WE OUGHT TO KEEP IT ON THE
12:16:01PM FOREFRONT.
12:16:01PM I THINK THE CHIEF IS TRYING TO WORK WITH THE HOSPITALS
12:16:05PM TRYING TO FIX THE SITUATION, BUT IT MAY TAKE A LITTLE TIME.
12:16:08PM I JUST WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY, IF YOU READ THE
12:16:12PM REPORT THAT'S BEEN GIVEN OUT?
12:16:14PM >> YES, GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
12:16:16PM NICK STOCCO, TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS PRESIDENT, LOCAL 754.
12:16:21PM I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP HERE.
12:16:22PM CHIEF TRIPP AND I DID HAVE SOME E-MAIL CONVERSATION
12:16:26PM IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE COUNCIL MEETING WHERE WE HAVE

12:16:27PM ADDRESSED THIS.
12:16:28PM CHIEF TRIPP AND HER STAFF HAVE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY ON
12:16:31PM GETTING THIS CORRECTED.
12:16:32PM AS A MATTER OF FACT, AT THE MEETING ON MONDAY, THEY
12:16:34PM PRESENTED THAT THE 90th PERCENTILE, WE'RE AVERAGING
12:16:38PM ANYWHERE BETWEEN 30 MINUTES OR LESS OF THE HOSPITALS.
12:16:40PM THIS MORNING I DID HAVE TWO UPPER RANKING LEVEL MEMBERS AT
12:16:44PM THE UNION OFFICE BOTH STATING THAT HOSPITAL WAIT TIMES HAVE
12:16:46PM IMPROVED.
12:16:47PM SO CHIEF TRIPP'S EFFORTS HAVE DECREASED AND HAVE MADE THIS
12:16:53PM PROBLEM, DOWNSIZED THIS PROBLEM AS WELL AS ADVERTISING TO
12:16:57PM THE MEMBERS TO TAKE THEIR COMMUNICATION DEVICES WITH THEM
12:17:00PM INSIDE THE HOSPITALS SO THAT WAY THEY CAN BE COMMUNICATED
12:17:02PM WITH BY DISPATCH TO MAKE SURE THAT -- TO GET A STATUS
12:17:06PM UPDATE.
12:17:06PM IN REGARDS TO WAIT TIMES, THEY HAVE GOTTEN SIGNIFICANTLY
12:17:09PM BETTER AND WE CAN GIVE THANKS TO CHIEF TRIPP FOR HER EFFORTS
12:17:15PM AS SHE DID WORKING WITH THE HOSPITALS.
12:17:17PM ONE OF THE THINGS WE COULD DO OR LOOK INTO AS COUNCIL
12:17:18PM MEMBERS IN THE FUTURE, IF WE DO SEE THESE PROBLEMS OCCUR
12:17:22PM AGAIN IN THE FUTURE IS THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT FEES OR FINES.
12:17:27PM I KNOW -- HERNANDO COUNTY HAS NOW STARTED TO CHARGE THE
12:17:32PM HOSPITALS FOR UTILIZING THEIR SERVICES FOR THE WALL TIMES.
12:17:36PM THINGS TO CONSIDER IN THE CITY ORDINANCE, ANY KIND OF FEES
12:17:39PM OR ESTABLISHED FEES.

12:17:41PM YES, THANK YOU.
12:17:41PM CHIEF TRIPP HAS DONE A GOOD JOB ON RECTIFYING THIS ISSUE.
12:17:45PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
12:17:46PM THANK YOU, NICK.
12:17:47PM APPRECIATE YOU.
12:17:48PM >> ANYTHING ELSE?
12:17:50PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: CHIEF, AGAIN, WE THANK YOU -- CHIEF, YOU
12:17:53PM GOT RIGHT ON IT, LIKE I TOLD NICK BEFORE, TALK TO THE CHIEF.
12:17:59PM TRY TO WORK THE ISSUES OUT.
12:18:00PM EVERYTHING WON'T BE PERFECT ALL THE TIME BECAUSE YOU HAVE A
12:18:04PM BOSS YOU HAVE TO ANSWER TO.
12:18:05PM I'M GLAD YOU GUYS ARE COMMUNICATING BETTER, WHAT I'M SEEING,
12:18:10PM GETTING THE ISSUES OUT AND RESOLVING THE BEST WAY WE CAN.
12:18:13PM EVERYTHING TAKES TIME.
12:18:14PM DOESN'T WORK OVERNIGHT, BUT GLAD TO SEE THE WAIT TIME WHICH
12:18:17PM WAS CONCERNING THE CITIZENS, ESPECIALLY THOSE FOLKS WAITING
12:18:21PM TO GET BACK ON THE JOB, WE CAN REDUCE THAT.
12:18:24PM SAY THANK YOU TO WORKING WITH THE UNIONS FOR TRYING TO GET
12:18:27PM THAT RESOLVED.
12:18:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE ARE ADJOURNED UNTIL 1:45.
12:18:33PM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
12:18:34PM [LUNCH RECESS]
1:47:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
1:47:05PM TAMPA CITY COUNCIL IS BACK IN SESSION.
1:47:07PM ROLL CALL.

1:47:09PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
1:47:10PM >> VIERA?
1:47:11PM MANISCALCO?
1:47:12PM HURTAK?
1:47:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
1:47:13PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
1:47:15PM >> MIRANDA?
1:47:16PM CITRO?
1:47:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
1:47:17PM >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
1:47:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
1:47:20PM I BELIEVE THAT COUNCILMAN VIERA HAS REQUESTED THAT WE MOVE
1:47:26PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9 TO THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM THAT WE'RE
1:47:32PM GOING TO BE HEARING.
1:47:33PM AM I HEARING CORRECTLY?
1:47:34PM I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO MOVE AGENDA 9 TO THE FIRST AGENDA
1:47:40PM ITEM.
1:47:40PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO MOVED.
1:47:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
1:47:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
1:47:46PM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
1:47:48PM ALL IN FAVOR?
1:47:50PM IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
1:47:51PM MOTION CARRIES.
1:47:52PM CHIEF.

1:47:54PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
1:47:56PM BARBARA TRIPP, FIRE CHIEF WITH TAMPA FIRE RESCUE.
1:47:59PM I DID SEND A MEMO IN FOR CONTINUANCE OF THE ITEM DUE TO THE
1:48:03PM FACT I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME BUT I BELIEVE I HAVE
1:48:05PM SOMETHING SIMILAR ON THE MARCH AGENDA AS WELL.
1:48:07PM I FIGURED JUST TO COMBINE THEM BOTH TOGETHER.
1:48:10PM BUT IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS UP UNTIL THEN, I'LL BE
1:48:14PM MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER.
1:48:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS?
1:48:18PM ANY COMMENTS?
1:48:19PM I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
1:48:20PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO MOVED.
1:48:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT WAS TO MARCH 16?
1:48:23PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: YES, SIR.
1:48:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
1:48:24PM WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9 TO MARCH
1:48:29PM 16th, 2023.
1:48:30PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
1:48:32PM IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
1:48:33PM MOTION CARRIES.
1:48:40PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: THANK YOU.
1:48:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, CHIEF.
1:48:42PM I BELIEVE WE'RE AT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6, FILE CM23-79313.
1:48:55PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: MORRIS MASSEY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
1:48:57PM I KNOW THE AGENDA CALLS FOR REVENUE AND FINANCE.

1:48:59PM MR. ROGERO IS UNAVOIDABLY OUT OF THE OFFICE TODAY.
1:49:04PM I'M HERE TO MAKE A BRIEF PRESENTATION ABOUT IMPACT FEES
1:49:07PM AGAIN AND KIND OF WHERE ALL OF THIS MAY FIT IN AND IN THE
1:49:11PM PUBLIC SAFETY PROCESS A LOT OF WHICH WAS DISCUSSED THIS
1:49:14PM MORNING.
1:49:15PM IMPACT FEES ARE CONTROLLED BY BOTH A SERIES OF CASE LAW THAT
1:49:20PM EXISTS UNDER FLORIDA LAW AND ALSO A STATE STATUTE.
1:49:25PM SO WHAT IMPACT FEES CAN BE USED FOR ARE FOR INFRASTRUCTURE,
1:49:29PM CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
1:49:30PM IT CANNOT BE USED FOR PERSONNEL COSTS.
1:49:32PM CANNOT BE USED FOR OPERATING COSTS.
1:49:34PM ALSO, IMPACT FEES CAN ONLY BE USED TO OFFSET THE DEMANDS OR
1:49:39PM THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE NECESSITATED
1:49:45PM BY GROWTH.
1:49:46PM SO EXISTING DEFICIENCIES THAT MAY EXIST, THE NEED FOR
1:49:50PM ADDITIONAL FIRE STATIONS OR ADDITIONAL VEHICLES, AT THIS
1:49:53PM POINT IN TIME, REALLY, YOU CAN'T PAY OUT OF IMPACT FEES.
1:49:57PM IMPACT FEES HAVE TO BE GEARED TO NEW GROWTH.
1:50:01PM NOW, IF YOU CAN SHOW THAT THE EXISTING DEFICIENCY AND THE
1:50:05PM NEW GROWTH TOGETHER COULD BE OFFSET BY THE USE OF IMPACT
1:50:09PM FEES, THEN YOU COULD POSSIBLY USE IMPACT FEES IN THAT
1:50:13PM SITUATION.
1:50:13PM BUT REALLY, IMPACT FEES, IT'S CALLED A DUAL RATIONAL NEXUS
1:50:19PM TEST.
1:50:19PM THE CASE LAW BASICALLY DEMANDS THAT IMPACT FEES BE TIED TO

1:50:22PM THE IMPACTS THAT NEW GROWTH IS HAVING ON YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE
1:50:26PM AND THEN THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN PLACE
1:50:29PM WITH THE USE OF IMPACT FEES HAS TO HAVE A NEXUS TO THAT
1:50:33PM GROWTH.
1:50:33PM THAT'S WHAT THEY CALL THE DUAL RATIONAL NEXUS TEST.
1:50:36PM I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE COUNCIL WAS AWARE OF HOW IMPACT
1:50:39PM FEES FIT INTO THIS, BECAUSE IMPACT FEES CAN'T BE THE ANSWER
1:50:42PM TO ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT POTENTIALLY FACE THE CITY IN ANY
1:50:48PM AREA, WHETHER IT'S PUBLIC SAFETY OR TRANSPORTATION OR
1:50:52PM STORMWATER, IT REALLY IS JUST A PIECE OF THE PIE OR THE
1:50:55PM PUZZLE.
1:50:56PM MR. ROGERO DID REACH OUT TO OUR CONSULTANT WHO WE WOULD
1:51:01PM NORMALLY RETAIN FOR THIS TYPE OF STUDY BECAUSE UNDER FLORIDA
1:51:05PM LAW, WE HAVE TO DO A SERIES OF STUDIES BEFORE WE IMPOSE
1:51:08PM IMPACT FEES.
1:51:09PM ONE IS A STUDY TO DETERMINE THE DEMAND NEEDS AND THEN THE
1:51:15PM SECOND IS A RATE STUDY TO DETERMINE WHAT THE PROPER RATE
1:51:19PM WOULD BE.
1:51:21PM REALLY, THEY SAID REALLY THE PROCESS THAT POLICE AND FIRE
1:51:24PM ARE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW RELATIVE TO THEIR MASTER
1:51:26PM PLANNING EXERCISE, FIGURING OUT WHAT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE
1:51:29PM SHOULD BE, WHAT THEIR CAPITAL NEEDS ARE NOW, WHAT THEY MAY
1:51:32PM BE PROJECTED IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE OF GROWTH IS REALLY THE
1:51:34PM FIRST STEP IN THE PROCESS.
1:51:36PM AND REALLY WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT FIRST AND THEN THAT

1:51:39PM CAN BE BUILT UPON IN A DEMONSTRATE NEEDS STUDY AND RATE
1:51:44PM STUDY WOULD FOLLOW AFTER THAT TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THE
1:51:51PM FEES.
1:51:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS EVEN WITHOUT DOING IT,
1:51:54PM WE ARE DOING THE FIRST STEP ALREADY.
1:51:56PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: YES, MA'AM.
1:51:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
1:51:58PM GREAT.
1:51:58PM THAT'S EXACTLY.
1:51:59PM BELIEVE ME, AS WE ARE ALL OUT A LOT LATELY TALKING TO A LOT
1:52:03PM OF PEOPLE, AND I'M TELLING YOU THAT FOLKS ARE WILDLY
1:52:07PM SUPPORTIVE OF ANYTHING THAT HELPS PROVIDE EXTRA PERSON POWER
1:52:17PM FOR ALL OF BOTH POLICE AND FIRE.
1:52:20PM AND PEOPLE ARE SAYING, FOLKS ARE MOVING HERE.
1:52:22PM WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH -- WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH NEW POLICE AND
1:52:26PM FIRE OUT TO SUPPORT.
1:52:28PM AND I DO KNOW IT WOULD BE CAPITAL COST, BUT I STILL THINK
1:52:32PM THAT THIS IS WORTH GOING FORWARD ON.
1:52:35PM SO I APPRECIATE YOU LETTING US KNOW THAT IT'S ALREADY MOVING
1:52:39PM FORWARD EVEN WITHOUT US HAVING DONE ANYTHING.
1:52:41PM SO THANK YOU.
1:52:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
1:52:44PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
1:52:49PM I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO THINK THAT PUBLIC IMPACT FEES IN ANY
1:52:52PM WAY WOULD PROVIDE, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT, THE KIND OF

1:52:56PM REVENUE THAT WE WOULD NEED TO REMEDY OUR PUBLIC SAFETY
1:52:59PM DEFICITS.
1:53:01PM BUT IF THIS IS ONE TOOL THAT CAN REALISTICALLY BE USED, I
1:53:04PM THINK WE SHOULD EXPLORE THAT, IF IT CAN BE REALISTICALLY
1:53:08PM USED AND WHATNOT.
1:53:09PM BUT WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT, IN MY OPINION, EVERY TOOL THAT WE
1:53:15PM CAN TO FUND OUR PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS.
1:53:17PM I SPOKE ABOUT BEFORE ABOUT SOME POTENTIAL TOUGH CHOICES THAT
1:53:21PM WE MAY NEED TO MAKE OR THE NEXT COUNCIL MAY NEED TO MAKE
1:53:25PM WITH REGARDS TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND REVENUE AND DIFFERENT
1:53:27PM ISSUES LIKE THAT.
1:53:28PM AGAIN, WE SHOULD USE ALL TOOLS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US.
1:53:32PM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHEN IT GETS DOWN TO IT HOW MUCH REVENUE
1:53:37PM PROSPECTIVELY THIS WOULD BRING IN.
1:53:39PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: THIS WHOLE PROCESS WOULD TAKE AN AMOUNT OF
1:53:43PM TIME BECAUSE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF STUDIES INVOLVED IN DOING
1:53:45PM IT.
1:53:45PM AND I THINK THE OTHER THING I THINK THAT MR. ROGERO WOULD
1:53:48PM LIKE TO SAY TO YOU ALL IS THAT, LOOK, AS TPD AND TFR GO
1:53:55PM THROUGH THEIR PLANNING AND ANALYSIS PROCESS, AS WE GO
1:53:58PM THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT
1:54:01PM ARE THE NEEDS.
1:54:02PM AND, YEAH, ARE WE MAXIMIZING OUR CURRENT RESOURCES?
1:54:05PM ARE WE GIVING MONEY BACK?
1:54:07PM ARE WE DOING WHAT WE NEED TO DO?

1:54:09PM AND WHAT ARE THE SOURCES, AND THERE ARE OTHER SOURCES THAN
1:54:12PM JUST IMPACT FEES.
1:54:13PM IMPACT FEES MAY NOT BE THE BEST SOURCE.
1:54:15PM WE MAY MAKE DIFFERENT CHOICES BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THOSE
1:54:20PM THINGS AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
1:54:23PM >>LUIS VIERA: AS ALWAYS, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK.
1:54:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
1:54:26PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK FOR ME TO KIND OF PUT A DENT IN
1:54:29PM THIS, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, ESPECIALLY WITH FIRE RIGHT NOW, I
1:54:33PM THINK WITH THE DEVELOPMENT GOING ON, I SEE MR. BENSON HERE,
1:54:36PM WITH THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON, WE NEED TO BE DEALING
1:54:40PM WITH THE DEVELOPERS WHO ARE BUILDING NOW AND ASKING HOW WE
1:54:42PM CAN PARTNER TO PUT SOME SHELLS IN SOME OF THESE PLACES.
1:54:45PM I THINK THAT WILL BE A CATALYST TO HELP US IN SOME OF THESE
1:54:48PM POCKET AREAS FOR FIRE RESCUE.
1:54:50PM MOST OF OUR ISSUES ARE RESCUE-BASED.
1:54:53PM THEY ARE NOT FIRE BASED, BUT WE DO HAVE THESE BIG BUILDINGS
1:54:57PM NOW THAT WILL NEED SOME TYPE OF APPARATUS.
1:55:01PM I'M JUST SAYING I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THESE NEW
1:55:04PM DEVELOPMENTS OR DEVELOP BUILDINGS THAT WE CAN MAYBE LEASE
1:55:08PM OUT OR DO SOMETHING TO WHERE WE CAN HAVE THAT AS A CATALYST
1:55:12PM TO CATAPULT US TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE AT.
1:55:16PM I HOPE WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT, MR. BENSON, AND THE FIRE CHIEF
1:55:19PM AS WELL.
1:55:20PM I THINK THAT'S KEY FOR FIRE, THOSE SHELLS.

1:55:25PM OTHER CITIES DON'T HAVE BIG FIRE STATIONS.
1:55:28PM THEY HAVE AN AREA TO WHERE THE GUYS CAN PULL IN, BED, BUNKS
1:55:31PM THERE, KITCHEN THERE AND KEEP IT ROLLING.
1:55:34PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: TO THAT END, MR. GUDES, WE'RE HAVING
1:55:37PM INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE END AS THESE
1:55:40PM LARGER DEVELOPERS, AS THESE DEVELOPERS COME IN, ESPECIALLY
1:55:42PM THE LARGER DEVELOPERS COME IN AND WANT TO NEGOTIATE
1:55:45PM DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA, THAT IS A
1:55:49PM PLACE WHERE WE COULD POTENTIALLY NEGOTIATE WITH THEM ON
1:55:52PM CERTAIN SPACE CONCESSIONS, THAT SORT OF THING.
1:55:55PM THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT I BELIEVE AS PART OF
1:55:57PM THE PROCESS.
1:55:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
1:55:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WOULD SAY NOT EVEN LIKE CONSIDER.
1:56:03PM I THINK WE SHOULD 100% BE NEGOTIATING THAT.
1:56:06PM WE HAVE SO MUCH NEED, AND WE HAVE JUST APPROVED SEVERAL
1:56:10PM LARGE DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE NO SPACE FOR ADDITIONAL FIRE
1:56:15PM SPACE.
1:56:16PM AND THERE'S NO WAY.
1:56:18PM SO I WOULD SAY DON'T EVEN TRY, BUT JUST DO.
1:56:22PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: I THINK PART OF THIS IS MAKING SURE IT IS
1:56:25PM THE RIGHT PLACE.
1:56:26PM I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME PLACES WHERE THE NEED DOES NOT EXIST.
1:56:29PM SO YOU DON'T NEED TO ASK FOR IT.
1:56:31PM THERE ARE OTHER PLACES WHERE IT MAY.

1:56:33PM PART OF THE PLANNING PROCESS IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE
1:56:35PM AND WHAT WE NEED.
1:56:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
1:56:41PM THANK YOU, MR. MASSEY.
1:56:43PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7, FILE NUMBER E2022-8, CHAPTER 27.
1:56:56PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
1:56:57PM ABBYE FEELEY, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH
1:57:00PM MANAGEMENT.
1:57:01PM WE PROVIDED A MEMORANDUM TO YOU RELATED TO THE MOTION FOR
1:57:06PM LOOKING INTO THE POSSIBILITY OF CREATING ONE OR MORE
1:57:09PM ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS, AND ALSO THE REPORT BACK ON SOUND.
1:57:14PM THIS IS ON THOSE TWO ITEMS.
1:57:16PM WHEN THIS LAST LEFT OFF AND JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF
1:57:20PM HISTORY, THERE WERE SOUND ISSUES IN THE CITY.
1:57:25PM STAFF HAD PUT TOGETHER SOME RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO THE SOUND
1:57:29PM ORDINANCE, CHAPTER 14.
1:57:31PM THOSE CHANGES WERE PASSED, LATER REPEALED, AND THEN WE WERE
1:57:36PM WORKING TO HOLD SOME PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS.
1:57:41PM THOSE ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS WERE HELD ON MAY 31st, JUNE
1:57:44PM 27th, AND JULY 6th.
1:57:46PM I DID PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION ON WHO PARTICIPATED IN THOSE
1:57:50PM AND WHAT THE MAIN CONCERNS THAT WE HEARD WITH THAT AS WELL.
1:57:57PM AND THEN SHARED WITH YOU ENFORCEMENT STATISTICS RELATED TO
1:58:00PM NUMBERS OF COMPLAINTS AND NUMBERS OF CITATIONS RELATED TO
1:58:04PM SOUND OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS.

1:58:06PM AT THE PRESENT TIME, STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING ANY CHANGES
1:58:09PM TO EITHER THE SOUND CHAPTER 14 OR FOR THE CREATION OF A
1:58:15PM SPECIAL DISTRICT.
1:58:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
1:58:20PM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, AT LEAST IN MY MOTION, SOUND WAS NOT
1:58:22PM AN ISSUE.
1:58:23PM I'M NOT SURE WHY THAT CAME BACK UP.
1:58:25PM THE ISSUE IS THAT YBOR CITY IS NOT GOING TO BE AN
1:58:29PM ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT IN FIVE YEARS OR TEN YEARS.
1:58:33PM THERE WILL BE ENTERTAINMENT THERE.
1:58:35PM EVERY TIME THE SOUND THING COMES UP OR SOMEBODY TALKS ABOUT
1:58:39PM THIS, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT PANIC AND THINK EVERYTHING WILL
1:58:41PM BE SHUT DOWN.
1:58:42PM THE MARKET FORCES ARE CHANGING YBOR, AND IT'S NOT BY CITY
1:58:46PM REGULATION OR ANYTHING.
1:58:47PM BUT AS PEOPLE BUY BUILDINGS AND DECIDE TO PUT DIFFERENT
1:58:50PM THINGS IN THEM, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE PARTY DISTRICT
1:58:53PM ANYMORE.
1:58:53PM THERE STILL WILL BE NIGHT LIFE AND BARS AND RESTAURANTS, BUT
1:58:56PM IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE CRAZY LATE-NIGHT PARTYING PLACE IN
1:59:00PM TEN YEARS FOR SURE.
1:59:02PM SOUTH HOWARD FOR MORE THAN TEN YEARS, THE NEIGHBORS HAVE
1:59:06PM OBJECTED TO THE PARTYING THAT GOES ON SOUTH HOWARD AND THAT
1:59:09PM HAS BECOME THE PLACE THAT HAS REPLACED YBOR IN THE LAST FEW
1:59:14PM YEARS.

1:59:14PM WE CAN'T JUST LEAVE IT THERE LIKE THAT.
1:59:17PM SO WE HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER PLACE.
1:59:20PM AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MOVE THIS FORWARD,
1:59:24PM BUT WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE AS A COMMUNITY.
1:59:26PM IF WE WANT YOUNG PEOPLE TO STAY HERE AND COME BACK, WE HAVE
1:59:28PM TO FIND AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT BECAUSE THOSE TWO WILL NOT
1:59:31PM BE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS.
1:59:32PM NOBODY IS GOING TO TOUCH THEIR LIQUOR LICENSE OR THEIR
1:59:34PM PROPERTY RIGHTS OR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT THE NEIGHBORS AROUND
1:59:39PM SOUTH HOWARD ARE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THAT TO CONTINUE TO BE
1:59:42PM THE LATE-NIGHT CRAZY PARTY PLACE IT IS AND YBOR WON'T BE
1:59:45PM BECAUSE OF MARKET FORCES.
1:59:46PM IF WE DO NOT FIND AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, THEN WE'RE
1:59:50PM GOING TO HAVE SOUND PROBLEMS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY AND
1:59:53PM YOUNG PEOPLE NOT MOVING BACK HERE.
1:59:55PM I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THIS TO COME BACK.
1:59:58PM I DON'T KNOW, MS. FEELEY, MAYBE YOU AND I CAN MEET IN THE
2:00:03PM MEANTIME.
2:00:03PM WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS, WHICH ONES OF US ARE STILL HERE.
2:00:09PM I WOULD LIKE TO JUST HAVE THIS COME BACK TO THE WORKSHOP ON
2:00:14PM AUGUST 31st TO DISCUSS IT MORE DEEPLY, AND THEN MAYBE --
2:00:20PM >> SECOND.
2:00:21PM >>BILL CARLSON: -- MAYBE, MS. FEELEY, YOU AND NICOLE AND
2:00:28PM STEVEN VINCENT AND I CAN MEET AND TALK ABOUT IT.
2:00:31PM I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYBODY ELSE.

2:00:32PM SOMEWHERE WE'VE GOT TO FIND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.
2:00:35PM MOST CITIES PLAN FOR IT SO THAT IT WILL BE IN AN INDUSTRIAL
2:00:38PM AREA SO THERE WON'T BE SOUND PROBLEMS.
2:00:40PM AND NOT HAVING ONE IS JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE BECAUSE OUR CITY
2:00:45PM WON'T BE ABLE TO GROW.
2:00:46PM WE'LL LOSE ALL OF OUR YOUNG PEOPLE.
2:00:48PM THANK YOU.
2:00:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, HANG ON ONE SECOND,
2:00:51PM PLEASE.
2:00:51PM WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:00:54PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:00:55PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
2:00:57PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.
2:00:58PM MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE 100% RIGHT.
2:01:02PM I'VE CALLED YBOR CITY -- WHEN I GO TO OTHER STATES AND
2:01:07PM PLACES, THEY ALWAYS HOLLER ABOUT YBOR.
2:01:10PM THRIVING CITY HAS TO HAVE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO.
2:01:13PM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING WORK ON A BIG CONVENTION CENTER.
2:01:18PM PEOPLE WANT TO GO TO A PLACE AFTER THEY GET THROUGH WORK,
2:01:21PM HAVING MEETINGS, TO HAVE A CIGAR, DRINK, HEAR SOME MUSIC.
2:01:26PM THAT'S A THRIVING CITY.
2:01:27PM I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYBODY SAYS.
2:01:29PM WE HAVE TO FIND AN AREA THAT COULD BE AN ENTERTAINMENT
2:01:31PM DISTRICT FOR THE CITY.
2:01:32PM YBOR IS CHANGING.

2:01:34PM I DON'T THINK IT WILL CHANGE THAT FAST.
2:01:35PM IT IS CHANGING.
2:01:36PM FAMILY-STYLE CAFE TYPE THING.
2:01:39PM TO ME, IN MY OPINION, IT HURTS YBOR TO DO THAT BECAUSE
2:01:43PM PEOPLE KNOW YBOR TO BE A PLACE OF HISTORIC.
2:01:48PM PEOPLE KNOW YBOR IS A PLACE TO HAVE A GOOD TIME AND PARTY.
2:01:51PM I'M NOT A FORTUNE TELLER.
2:01:55PM MR. CARLSON COULD BE RIGHT.
2:01:57PM COULD BE GOING AWAY IN TEN YEARS.
2:01:59PM I DON'T THINK SO.
2:01:59PM BUT IT COULD.
2:02:01PM BUT WE DO NEED TO FIND A PLACE IN THE CITY THAT YOU COULD
2:02:04PM HAVE AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT SO PEOPLE CAN HAVE YOUR BARS,
2:02:09PM YOUR CLUBS, AND HAVE A LICENSE, DRINK PARTY, THAT'S WHERE
2:02:13PM YOU NEED TO GO, AWAY FROM THE SOUND, FROM NEIGHBORHOODS, AND
2:02:18PM YOU'RE RIGHT, OTHER PLACES HAVE THOSE AREAS, AND YOU GO TO
2:02:21PM THOSE TOWNS, WHERE DOES EVERYBODY GO?
2:02:23PM THEY GO TO THE MIDTOWN AREA.
2:02:25PM I JUST THINK THAT YOU'RE RIGHT.
2:02:28PM I SUPPORT THE MOTION THAT YOU FIND A PLACE FOR
2:02:30PM ENTERTAINMENT-TYPE AREA.
2:02:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:02:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO I WAS THINKING ABOUT WHERE THIS PLACE
2:02:37PM COULD GO.
2:02:38PM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CONSIDERED IT, WHAT ABOUT DREW PARK?

2:02:41PM DREW PARK HAS SOME RESIDENTIAL, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT A LOT,
2:02:45PM IT'S WAREHOUSES AND OTHER TYPE OF PLACES.
2:02:50PM >>BILL CARLSON: DO YOU REMEMBER THROUGH THE CRA WE ASKED
2:02:52PM DREW PARK AND THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, NO, THEY DIDN'T WANT
2:02:55PM IT.
2:02:55PM THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME PLACE IN THE INDUSTRIAL AREA WHERE IT
2:02:59PM WOULD BE OKAY.
2:02:59PM I THINK DREW PARK WOULDN'T PERFECT PLACE BECAUSE IT IS RIGHT
2:03:02PM NEXT TO THE AIRPORT.
2:03:03PM THERE ARE NEIGHBORHOODS BUT WE DON'T PUT IT NEXT TO THE
2:03:05PM NEIGHBORHOODS.
2:03:05PM WE PUT IT IN THE INDUSTRIAL AREA.
2:03:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TPD STATION ONE.
2:03:09PM YOU HAVE HILLSBOROUGH.
2:03:10PM YOU HAVE DALE MABRY.
2:03:11PM YOU HAVE AIR CARGO ROAD.
2:03:12PM YOU HAVE PLENTY OF WIDE ROADS, ACCESS POINTS, AGAIN, RIGHT
2:03:17PM BY THE AIRPORT, RIGHT BY THE STADIUM.
2:03:19PM EASY ACCESS.
2:03:21PM JUST A THOUGHT.
2:03:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
2:03:23PM BEFORE WE GO --
2:03:27PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: MAY I ASK A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, PLEASE?
2:03:30PM SO I'M JUST -- I'M LISTENING TO WHAT YOU-ALL ARE SAYING AND
2:03:35PM IN MY HEAD TRYING TO ABSORB A LOT OF THIS BECAUSE AS YOU

2:03:37PM KNOW, AND WAS TALKED ABOUT THIS MORNING WITH THE COMP PLAN
2:03:40PM UPDATE, WE HAVE LESS THAN 4% VACANT LAND IN OUR CITY.
2:03:44PM WE CONTINUE TO PROPOSE MIXED USE ALONG THESE CORRIDORS AND
2:03:47PM NOW I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE SAYING CREATE ANOTHER PLACE.
2:03:51PM I JUST WANT SOME CLARIFICATION.
2:03:53PM YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT YOU'RE LOOKING
2:03:55PM FOR IS NOT CURRENTLY WITHIN THE BOUNCERS OF YBOR.
2:03:59PM IT'S NOT CURRENTLY WITHIN SOUTH HOWARD.
2:04:01PM IT'S NOT -- I NEED A LITTLE BIT -- I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM
2:04:06PM WITH UNDERTAKING AND LOOKING AT THIS.
2:04:09PM I JUST NEED SOME MORE DIRECTION AS TO JUST COME UP WITH A
2:04:13PM PLACE.
2:04:14PM I CAN'T JUST COME UP WITH A PLACE.
2:04:15PM IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT BECAUSE WE TRY TO BALANCE THE
2:04:18PM NEEDS OF ALL THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY AND ALL THE
2:04:21PM BUSINESSES OF THE CITY.
2:04:22PM AND WHERE THESE THINGS ARE.
2:04:23PM SO JUST BY CREATING A PLACE AND THINKING THEN THAT THE
2:04:28PM BUSINESSES WILL GO THERE BECAUSE THAT IS THE PLACE ISN'T
2:04:32PM GOING TO TAKE THEM OUT OF SOUTH HOWARD OR YBOR.
2:04:35PM I'M HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU.
2:04:37PM HAPPY TO TRY TO FIND THE BALANCE WITH YOU.
2:04:40PM WHEN WE TAKE OUR CAPACITY AND HEAD DOWN THE PATH WHAT THAT
2:04:43PM LOOKS LIKE OR WHAT YOU IMAGINE THAT LOOKS LIKE SO THAT WE
2:04:46PM ARE COMING BACK WITH SOMETHING RESPONSIVE TO THAT.

2:04:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:04:52PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE SHORT ANSWER FOR ME IS, YES, WE HAVE TO
2:04:56PM FIND ANOTHER PLACE.
2:04:57PM AND JUST TO REPEAT, WE CAN'T TAKE AWAY PROPERTY RIGHTS.
2:05:00PM WE CAN'T TAKE AWAY ALCOHOL LICENSES.
2:05:02PM WE HAVE TO PROTECT ALL THAT THAT'S BEEN GIVEN OUT.
2:05:05PM BUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN YBOR IS THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL BIG
2:05:09PM INVESTORS THAT ARE GOING IN AND BUYING UP ALL THE PROPERTIES
2:05:11PM AND NEW INVESTORS ARE COMING IN BUYING THE PROPERTIES.
2:05:14PM WE'RE CHANGING FROM LATE-NIGHT PARTY PLACES TO WINE BARS AND
2:05:19PM LIVE MUSIC BARS AND RESTAURANTS.
2:05:21PM AND THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN THE LATE-NIGHT 3 A.M. KIND
2:05:25PM OF STUFF THAT'S BEEN GOING ON.
2:05:26PM PROBABLY ALL OF US HAVE GREAT EXPERIENCES IN THAT A LONG
2:05:32PM TIME AGO, BUT IT'S NOT UP TO THE CITY TO CHANGE THAT.
2:05:35PM THE MARKET FORCES ARE CHANGING IT BECAUSE AS SOME OF THESE
2:05:39PM NIGHTCLUBS SHUT DOWN, PEOPLE ARE BUYING THE BUILDINGS AND
2:05:41PM PUTTING DIFFERENT USES IN THEM.
2:05:43PM SO YBOR, JUST BECAUSE OF THE PREFERENCE OF THE NEW OWNERS IS
2:05:48PM GOING TO RADICALLY CHANGE.
2:05:50PM THERE STILL WILL BE -- THERE STILL WILL BE ENTERTAINMENT,
2:05:53PM BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE PARTY DISTRICT.
2:05:55PM IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE BIG ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT THAT IT
2:05:58PM HAS IN THE PAST.
2:05:59PM THERE WILL BE ALL KINDS OF ENTERTAINMENT THERE, BUT IT WON'T

2:06:02PM BE JUST A DESTINATION FOR ENTERTAINMENT.
2:06:04PM IT WILL BE A NEIGHBORHOOD AGAIN.
2:06:05PM IN THE '50s, THERE WAS ENTERTAINMENT, BUT IT WASN'T THE
2:06:08PM ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.
2:06:09PM IT WAS AN ARTIFICIAL THING THAT WAS BUILT FOR ABOUT 20
2:06:12PM YEARS.
2:06:12PM AND SO SAME THING WITH SOUTH HOWARD.
2:06:14PM THE LAND ENTITLEMENTS AND THE ALCOHOL LICENSES, THEY HAVE TO
2:06:22PM BE PROTECTED, BUT IN THAT CASE WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THE
2:06:26PM NEIGHBORS ARE NOT GOING TO TOLERATE IT ANYMORE.
2:06:30PM WE CONTINUE TO HAVE COMPLAINTS AT LEAST ON THE NORTHERN PART
2:06:32PM OF SOUTH HOWARD, NORTH OF MORRISON, AND THE NEIGHBORS ARE
2:06:37PM NOT GOING TO ACCEPT IT.
2:06:39PM SO THEY'LL COME IN AND ASK US TO REGULATE MORE AND MORE AND
2:06:42PM MORE.
2:06:42PM I THINK WHAT WILL HAPPEN FROM MARKET FORCES IS THE PEOPLE
2:06:45PM WHO WANT TO RUN LATE-NIGHT ESTABLISHMENTS THAT ARE ALLOWED
2:06:48PM ARE GOING TO CHOOSE TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
2:06:50PM WE NEED TO FIND A PLACE THEY CAN GO.
2:06:52PM IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY CAN'T SERVE ALCOHOL WHERE THEY ARE.
2:06:55PM THEY CAN SERVE ALCOHOL, THEY CAN SERVE FOOD, BUT IT'S NOT
2:06:58PM GOING TO BE THE LATE-NIGHT PARTY PLACE THAT IT IS NOW.
2:07:00PM THE POINT IS MARKET FORCES, NOT THE CITY, BUT MARKET FORCES
2:07:04PM ARE GOING TO CHANGE THESE TWO PLACES.
2:07:05PM SO WE'VE GOT TO FIND A THIRD OPTION BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'LL

2:07:09PM GET STUCK WITH NOTHING.
2:07:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:07:16PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I JUST THINK THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOUTH
2:07:18PM HOWARD, IT'S A DIFFERENT AREA OF TOWN, DIFFERENT MARKET.
2:07:23PM WHEN YOU LOOK AT YBOR, THAT'S A DIFFERENT MARKET.
2:07:27PM YOU LOOK AT ARMATURE WORKS, IT'S ALL DIFFERENT PLACES OF
2:07:31PM DIFFERENT MARKETS.
2:07:32PM TO ME, YBOR IS KIND OF LIKE THE MELTING POT FOR EVERYBODY,
2:07:37PM YOU CAN SAY.
2:07:38PM A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THE EAST SIDE DON'T GO TO SOUTH HOWARD.
2:07:42PM A LOT OF PEOPLE TO THE NORTH DON'T GO TO SOUTH HOWARD.
2:07:48PM PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY GOES TO YBOR.
2:07:50PM AGAIN, I DON'T SEE YBOR CHANGING THAT FAST.
2:07:54PM I KNOW A LOT OF INVESTORS ARE BUYING, IT COULD CHANGE.
2:07:58PM WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED WHERE DO THESE PEOPLE GO BECAUSE A
2:08:00PM LOT OF THESE FOLKS MAY LOSE JOBS.
2:08:02PM WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A WINE-TASTING PLACE, YOU'RE TALKING
2:08:09PM ABOUT YOU AND I LADY FRIEND, YOUR WIFE, NICE, QUIET MUSIC
2:08:13PM VERSUS SOME PEOPLE, YOU WANT TO GO OUT AND YOU WANT TO JUMP
2:08:16PM AROUND.
2:08:16PM THE MUSIC IS LOUD.
2:08:17PM BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WHEN YOU DO THIS, WHEN PEOPLE MOVE
2:08:21PM IN THERE, IT DOESN'T CHANGE BECAUSE TO ME, IF I BOUGHT
2:08:25PM PROPERTY IN YBOR OR I BOUGHT A PLACE IN YBOR, WELL, I
2:08:31PM ALREADY KNEW THAT YBOR HAS LOUD MUSIC.

2:08:32PM FIVE YEARS LATER, I WANT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE MUSIC, WELL,
2:08:35PM WHEN I BOUGHT IT, I ALREADY KNEW LOUD MUSIC WAS THERE.
2:08:40PM I'M BEING HONEST.
2:08:41PM THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
2:08:42PM YOU PEOPLE HAVE BOUGHT STUFF, AND NOW COMPLAINING.
2:08:45PM YOU KNEW WHEN YOU BOUGHT IT YOU KNEW WHAT YOU BOUGHT, WHERE
2:08:48PM YOU BOUGHT IT AT.
2:08:50PM DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD.
2:08:52PM AGAIN, THINGS DO CHANGE, BUT I DO THINK WE DO HAVE TO LOOK
2:08:55PM AT THE FUTURE TO FIND AREAS THAT WILL BE AWAY FROM THAT TO
2:08:59PM WHERE IT HELPS THE POLICE OUT BETTER.
2:09:02PM PATROL BETTER.
2:09:02PM IT'S CONTROLLED BETTER, AND YOU WANT THOSE LICENSES, YOU
2:09:06PM WANT TO DO -- WHAT IS YOUR ENTERTAINMENT?
2:09:08PM WHEN YOU FILE FOR BUSINESS LICENSE IN THE CITY?
2:09:12PM IS IT LATE-NIGHT?
2:09:13PM WHAT IS IT?
2:09:14PM SMALL WINERY?
2:09:15PM WELL, YOU CAN'T BE HERE AND WE DON'T ALLOW THAT IN THESE
2:09:18PM KIND OF AREAS OF AN OVERLAY, YOU HAVE TO GO OUT HERE.
2:09:20PM I THINK KIND OF LOOKING AT HOW WE BALANCE SOME OF THAT OUT
2:09:23PM FOR ME AND SEE WHAT KIND OF PLAN WE COME UP WITH FOR THE
2:09:27PM FUTURE, CAN'T DO IT RIGHT AWAY, NEED TO START PLANNING FOR
2:09:31PM IT.
2:09:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. JOHNSON-VELEZ.

2:09:33PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
2:09:33PM DEPARTMENT.
2:09:36PM TO FOLLOW-UP ON SOME OF ABBYE'S QUESTIONS -- THIS WON'T BE
2:09:39PM THE FIRST TIME YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY IT, BUT I KNOW PEOPLE
2:09:43PM REFER TO THE SOUTH HOWARD AREA AS ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT IN
2:09:46PM YBOR, BUT THERE IS NO ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT DEFINED IN OUR
2:09:49PM LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CURRENTLY OR ANYWHERE IN OUR CODE.
2:09:52PM THE TWO AREAS, YBOR HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ARENA DISTRICT ARE
2:09:55PM TWO AREAS WHERE SOUND IS MEASURED DIFFERENTLY.
2:09:58PM IT'S MEASURED ON A DECIBEL LEVEL STANDARD WHEREAS THE
2:10:01PM PLAINLY AUDIBLE STANDARD IS WHAT'S USED EVERYWHERE ELSE IN
2:10:05PM THE CITY.
2:10:06PM ASIDE FROM SOUND LEVEL OR NOISE IS WHAT I HEAR COUNCIL
2:10:11PM MAINLY FOCUSING ON, BUT WHAT OTHER THINGS, JUST FOR PURPOSES
2:10:14PM OF US TRYING TO HONE IN AND FOCUS ON WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US,
2:10:18PM WHAT OTHER THINGS DO YOU HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH IN THE
2:10:21PM ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT?
2:10:23PM WOULD IT BE DIFFERENT GUIDELINES?
2:10:24PM IS IT JUST SOUND YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT?
2:10:26PM OR IS IT CONCENTRATION OF BARS AND NIGHTCLUBS?
2:10:32PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK SO.
2:10:32PM MR. CHAIRMAN, RECOGNIZED?
2:10:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, PLEASE.
2:10:35PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK SO.
2:10:36PM I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT ALL.

2:10:38PM WHAT IS AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT?
2:10:39PM WHAT DO OTHER CITIES DO AS THEY DEFINE ENTERTAINMENT
2:10:41PM DISTRICT IN IS IT THE LATE-NIGHT HOURS?
2:10:44PM SOME NIGHTS WINERIES MAY CLOSE 9:00, 10:00.
2:10:47PM AFTER-HOURS PLACE, YOUNG PEOPLE WANT TO COME OUT LATE NIGHT,
2:10:51PM YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE DEFINED AS ENTERTAINMENT AREA.
2:10:57PM OPEN UP FOR LATE-NIGHT DRINKING, PARTYING, WHATEVER, OUTSIDE
2:11:01PM DANCE, WHATEVER, BUT I THINK YOU NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT OTHER
2:11:04PM CITIES ARE DOING TO SEE HOW THEY DEFINE ENTERTAINMENT
2:11:06PM DISTRICT AND WHERE THAT WOULD FIT INTO THE CITY.
2:11:13PM THAT WAY YOU MIGHT HAVE AMPLIFIED SOUND OUTSIDE.
2:11:16PM A LOT OF TIMES -- I LOOK AT -- A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE WALKING
2:11:21PM THE STRIP.
2:11:22PM WHEN THEY HEAR THE MUSIC, THEY DIP IN BECAUSE OF THE MUSIC.
2:11:25PM I JUST THINK IT'S A DIFFERENT VIBE FOR PEOPLE.
2:11:29PM I LIKE THE OPEN AREA.
2:11:30PM I LIKE TO WALK AND LOOK AT DIFFERENT PLACES AND ALL
2:11:34PM DIFFERENT PEOPLE VERSUS AN ENCLOSED PLACE.
2:11:36PM I THINK AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT THAT COULD BE OUTSIDE,
2:11:40PM HAVE THOSE KIND OF AMENITIES AS WELL, YOU COULD HAVE THAT
2:11:42PM AMPLIFIED SOUND, AMPLIFIED MUSIC.
2:11:45PM GOT TO RESEARCH WHAT OTHERS ARE DOING AND LOOKING AT WHAT
2:11:48PM THEIR SUCCESSES AND FAILURES ARE AND SEE HOW WE COULD BRING
2:11:51PM THAT HERE.
2:11:51PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THANK YOU.

2:11:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:11:55PM >>BILL CARLSON: TO SAVE TIME TODAY, IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR
2:11:58PM YOU TO MAYBE -- I FOR SURE WOULD LIKE TO TALK OFF-LINE AND
2:12:03PM MAYBE TALK TO THE COLLEAGUES, TOO.
2:12:06PM HOST A TOWN HALL MEETING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
2:12:08PM HAPPY TO HELP WITH THAT.
2:12:09PM THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES.
2:12:11PM WE MIGHT WANT TO MEET WITH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND
2:12:13PM SOUTH HOWARD SO YOU CAN HEAR DIRECTLY FROM THEM AND THEIR
2:12:16PM CONCERNS.
2:12:17PM BUT AN EXAMPLE, IF A PIZZA PLACE IS SELLING PIZZA AND PEOPLE
2:12:22PM ARE WALKING THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS AND THROWING PIZZA BOXES
2:12:23PM IN THE YARDS, THE REAL OR PERCEIVED PERCEPTION OF CRIME, THE
2:12:27PM TRAFFIC, FEAR OF PEOPLE DRIVING DRUNK.
2:12:29PM THERE'S ALL KINDS OF STUFF THAT PEOPLE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT.
2:12:33PM ALMOST EVERY NEIGHBORHOODS HAS SOME KIND OF ALCOHOL
2:12:37PM ESTABLISHMENT.
2:12:38PM SO IT'S NOT ABOUT NOT HAVING ANY ENTERTAINMENT.
2:12:41PM IT'S JUST HIGH CONCENTRATIONS OF ENTERTAINMENT.
2:12:44PM THESE TWO PROBLEMS ARE DIFFERENT.
2:12:46PM ONE IS THE NEIGHBORS WHO WERE THERE FIRST NOT WANTING TO
2:12:51PM HAVE THIS CONTINUOUS PARTY DISTRICT THAT THEIR VIEW IS
2:12:56PM GETTING WORSE AND WORSE.
2:12:57PM THE OTHER CASE, IT'S OWNERS OF BUILDINGS WHO ARE DECIDING TO
2:13:03PM PUT DIFFERENT TENANTS INSIDE.

2:13:04PM SO THERE STILL WOULD BE ENTERTAINMENT.
2:13:06PM BUT THE POINT IS THAT IF WE DON'T CREATE ANOTHER PLACE WHERE
2:13:09PM THEY CAN GO AND MAYBE AFTER ALL THIS WE CAN COME BACK AND
2:13:12PM SAY, WELL, IT'S DISPERSED IN SEVERAL PLACES.
2:13:15PM IF WE DON'T CREATE SOMEPLACE FOR IT TO GO, THEN IT COULD
2:13:19PM CAUSE PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE OUR YOUNG PEOPLE WILL
2:13:22PM SAY THIS IS A BORING PLACE.
2:13:24PM THANK YOU.
2:13:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LADIES, WOULD YOU PLEASE STAY UP THERE FOR
2:13:33PM ME?
2:13:34PM PLEASE.
2:13:36PM I APPRECIATE THAT.
2:13:37PM WE STILL HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
2:13:39PM THE PROBLEM I FIND WITH THE MOTION IS DEFINE ENTERTAINMENT.
2:13:42PM SOME PEOPLE THINK GOING OUT TO A FINE RESTAURANT IS
2:13:53PM ENTERTAINMENT.
2:13:53PM SOME PEOPLE THINK GOING TO A DISCOTHEQUE IS ENTERTAINMENT.
2:13:56PM SOME PEOPLE THINK SEEING A LARGE VENUE, LARGE VAN AT A VENUE
2:14:00PM IS ENTERTAINMENT.
2:14:01PM BUT 200 PEOPLE SITTING IN A COURTYARD MIGHT ALSO BE
2:14:05PM ENTERTAINMENT.
2:14:06PM WHEN I ASKED FOR THIS SOUND ORDINANCE OR TO STUDY THIS SOUND
2:14:12PM ORDINANCE, I WAS MORE CONCERNED WITH SOMETHING THAT
2:14:15PM COUNCILWOMAN CAPIN SAID 20 YEARS AGO, OUTSIDE AMPLIFIED
2:14:20PM MUSIC.

2:14:20PM WE ARE NOW SEEING OUR CITY GROWING WHERE BARS AND
2:14:25PM RESTAURANTS ARE ABUTTING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
2:14:29PM THERE'S A PROBLEM.
2:14:32PM I'M NOT GOING TO SAY ON SOUTH MacDILL THAT THE NEIGHBORS
2:14:36PM 20 YEARS LATER ARE STILL COMPLAINING ABOUT THE MUSIC.
2:14:40PM WHEN I ASKED FOR THIS SOUND ORDINANCE, I WANTED A BLANKET ON
2:14:45PM THE CITY WHERE NOISE WOULD GO DOWN TO REASONABLE LEVELS TO
2:14:52PM WHERE THE NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR COULD GO TO SLEEP FOR WORK THE
2:14:55PM NEXT DAY.
2:14:56PM ALL ACROSS THE CITY AND THEN CARVE OUT SECTIONS.
2:15:02PM CHANNEL DISTRICT, YBOR CITY, PARTS OF HOWARD AVENUE.
2:15:10PM BUT THE KEY IN MY OPINION THERE IS SOUND, AMPLIFIED, WHEN IT
2:15:17PM ENDS.
2:15:18PM SO THESE BARS AND RESTAURANTS ARE STARTING TO ENCROACH THE
2:15:22PM RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT PEOPLE LIVING AROUND THEM COULD GET A
2:15:25PM DECENT NIGHT'S SLEEP FOR THEIR WORK.
2:15:28PM STILL HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:15:31PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:15:34PM ARE YOU STILL WANTING TO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT MOTION?
2:15:38PM >> YES.
2:15:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THAT MOTION.
2:15:53PM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK ENTERTAINMENT IS ANYTHING EXCEPT
2:15:55PM PUNK ROCK.
2:15:57PM [ LAUGHTER ]
2:16:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THEN I HAVE TO ARGUE WITH YOU.

2:16:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MS. HURTAK.
2:16:10PM LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE AUDIENCE, COUNCILMAN CARLSON
2:16:12PM ACTUALLY LIKES KC AND THE SUNSHINE BAND.
2:16:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHO IS PERFORMING TONIGHT.
2:16:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ME.
2:16:19PM I'D RATHER SEE PUNK ROCK.
2:16:21PM GO AHEAD.
2:16:22PM ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE.
2:16:25PM >>THE CLERK: VIERA?
2:16:35PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
2:16:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
2:16:38PM >> MIRANDA?
2:16:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
2:16:40PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
2:16:41PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
2:16:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I APOLOGIZE, BUT I
2:16:46PM NEED DEFINITION OF ENTERTAINMENT.
2:16:49PM NO.
2:16:50PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION PASSED WITH CITRO VOTING NO AND MIRANDA
2:16:54PM ABSENT.
2:16:55PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, MS. FEELEY, YOU'RE GOING TO
2:17:00PM BRING BACK THE DEFINITION OF ENTERTAINMENT WHEN YOU BRING
2:17:05PM THIS BACK, AM I CORRECT?
2:17:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: UH-OH.
2:17:09PM MIGHT BE ONE PERSON'S DEFINITION AS OPPOSED TO ANOTHER

2:17:13PM PERSON'S DEFINITION.
2:17:14PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: OTHER CITIES AND WHAT THEY DEFINE.
2:17:18PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: ABBYE FEELEY.
2:17:19PM WE DID DO THAT WHEN WE BROUGHT BACK THE ORIGINAL SOUND AND
2:17:24PM WE COULDN'T GET TO A CONSENSUS ON THAT.
2:17:27PM YES, WE'LL TRY AGAIN.
2:17:29PM AND WE'LL BRING TO YOU, AND I THINK WE ORIGINALLY BROUGHT TO
2:17:33PM YOU WHAT CITY OF CLEARWATER HAD DONE AND JUST PULLED BACK.
2:17:36PM WHAT CITY OF ORLANDO HAD DONE IN RELATION TO CHURCH STREET
2:17:39PM AND THEN THEY JUST PULLED BACK.
2:17:41PM WE HAD PROVIDED SOME OF THAT INFORMATION DURING OUR FIRST
2:17:44PM EFFORT, BUT WE'LL DO IT AGAIN.
2:17:46PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: LOOK OUTSIDE FOR OTHER PLACES THAT HAVE
2:17:49PM BIGGER VENUES AND BIG ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS.
2:17:53PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: WE'LL MAKE SURE IT ACCOMMODATES KC
2:17:56PM AND THE SUNSHINE BAND.
2:18:01PM >> MAKE A LITTLE LOVE AND GET DOWN TONIGHT.
2:18:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHAT I WOULD LIKE, IF YOU WOULD, TAKE A LOOK
2:18:06PM AT BUCKHORN OUTSIDE OF ATLANTA AND SEE HOW IT IS FAILING.
2:18:11PM >>BILL CARLSON: BUCKHEAD.
2:18:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: BUCKHEAD.
2:18:14PM WHAT DID I SAY?
2:18:14PM BUCKHEAD.
2:18:15PM >>BILL CARLSON: FOR ANYBODY WHO DIDN'T GET THE JOKE, CHAIR
2:18:20PM CITRO WAS A LATE-NIGHT DEEJAY PLAYING PUNK ROCK MUSIC, SO

2:18:24PM THAT WAS THE REFERENCE.
2:18:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WMNF.
2:18:30PM MAN, I LOVE SOME GOOD PUNK ROCK MUSIC.
2:18:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE ENTERTAINMENT IS CITY COUNCIL.
2:18:35PM THAT'S ENTERTAINMENT.
2:18:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: BOOM.
2:18:37PM BOOM.
2:18:37PM THAT IS A SONG BY THE JAM.
2:18:41PM CRICKETS.
2:18:45PM WHERE ARE WE AT NOW?
2:18:46PM WE'RE AT AGENDA NUMBER 8, FILE CM22-78004.
2:18:51PM MR. BENSON.
2:18:53PM >>STEPHEN BENSON: CAN I PLEASE HAVE THE PRESENTATION FOR
2:18:56PM NUMBER 8?
2:19:00PM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. BENSON, JUST TO SAVE TIME, I READ
2:19:03PM THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.
2:19:05PM THE ONLY QUESTION THAT I HAD HERE IS WHAT AREAS, IS IT
2:19:11PM POSSIBLE WE COULD SKIP TO A MAP AND SHOW US WHAT AREAS MIGHT
2:19:15PM IT MAKE SENSE TO ALLOW UP TO THE FAA LIMIT.
2:19:19PM ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS ARE WE TRYING TO RESTRICT OR LIMIT
2:19:23PM IT TO THE FAA.
2:19:24PM THAT'S NOT THE INTENT.
2:19:26PM THE INTENT IS THERE ARE SOME PLACES LIKE DALE MABRY WHERE IT
2:19:29PM MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO ALLOW BY RIGHT THE FAA LIMIT SO
2:19:33PM DEVELOPERS WOULDN'T HAVE TO SPEND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF

2:19:36PM DOLLARS COMING BEFORE US AND WASTING OUR TIME AND ALSO PARTS
2:19:39PM OF CHANNEL DISTRICT.
2:19:40PM CONCLUSION, ARE THERE ANY AREAS ADJACENT TO AREAS THAT HAVE
2:19:44PM DENSITY THAT YOU THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ALLOW THIS OR
2:19:47PM NOT?
2:19:49PM >>STEPHEN BENSON: I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN MAKE THAT
2:19:52PM RECOMMENDATION YET.
2:19:53PM THE REASON BEING IS BECAUSE THE FAA LIMIT IS DIFFERENT
2:19:59PM THROUGHOUT THE BUFFER ZONES AROUND THE FACILITIES.
2:20:01PM IT STARTS AT 30 FEET AND GOES ALL THE WAY TO 210.
2:20:05PM THAT MIGHT IMPACT ONE NEIGHBORHOOD IN A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT
2:20:09PM WAYS.
2:20:09PM COULD BE 30 FEET AND UP TO 70 FEET, PURELY BASED ON WHERE
2:20:13PM THE FAA LIMIT IS.
2:20:15PM IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE AVIATION AUTHORITY, BOARD OF
2:20:19PM ADJUSTMENT CAN WAIVE IT.
2:20:21PM I THINK THERE IS THE CONVERSATION OF SETTING IT TO THE FAA
2:20:24PM AND DOES THAT MAKE SENSE NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD AND
2:20:27PM LOOKING AT WHERE THOSE BUFFERS IMPACT CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS
2:20:30PM AND WHAT MIGHT BE COMPATIBLE OR NOT.
2:20:33PM UNFORTUNATELY, THE AREAS WHERE WE HAVE THE MOST DENSITY AND
2:20:37PM INTENSITY IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ARE VERY CLOSE TO EITHER
2:20:41PM PETER O. KNIGHT OR TAMPA INTERNATIONAL.
2:20:43PM WE'RE NOT HERE TO RECOMMEND IT BECAUSE WE NEED TO LOOK AT A
2:20:46PM FINE GRAIN LEVEL AT EACH OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO FIGURE OUT

2:20:49PM IS THE FAA LIMIT 50 FEET HERE OR 90 FEET?
2:20:52PM >>BILL CARLSON: WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO CONTINUE THIS THEN
2:20:54PM AND LOOK AT IT MORE?
2:20:56PM >>STEPHEN BENSON: WE COULD.
2:20:57PM THE ONLY OTHER FACTOR IMPACTING THIS, AND THIS WAS ITEM
2:21:01PM NUMBER 2 TODAY IS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT INCREASING WHAT
2:21:03PM THOSE MAXIMUMS ARE THROUGH POTENTIAL CHANGES TO THE BONUS.
2:21:08PM THE INFORMATION I HAVE FOR YOU TODAY IS BASED UPON YOUR
2:21:11PM CURRENT CATEGORIES.
2:21:12PM IF YOU DIRECT US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH INCREASING THE BONUS
2:21:16PM AND TAKING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING APPROACH WITH THAT, IT'S
2:21:19PM GOING TO AFFECT, AGAIN, WHAT AREAS OF THE CITY WILL BE
2:21:22PM BUMPING UP AGAINST THE FAA.
2:21:24PM IT MIGHT CHANGE WHEN WE COME BACK WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE
2:21:26PM RECOMMENDATIONS AT YOUR WORKSHOP IN THE FALL.
2:21:28PM THAT'S WHAT IS CHANGING.
2:21:30PM >>BILL CARLSON: I SAID THE FAA LIMIT AS AN ARBITRARY LIMIT
2:21:34PM BECAUSE THAT'S NOT ONE WE CONTROL.
2:21:36PM THE BOARD, I THINK THE AVIATION AUTHORITY SITTING AS THE
2:21:40PM BOARD OF AVIATION, FAA APPROVAL DECIDES THAT.
2:21:44PM BUT ANYWAY, THE IDEA WOULD BE TO ALLOW BY RIGHT DEVELOPERS
2:21:49PM IN CERTAIN AREAS, LIKE BETWEEN ON DALE MABRY BETWEEN 275 AND
2:21:53PM KENNEDY JUST ONE BLOCK EITHER DIRECTION TO GO UP TO A LARGER
2:21:57PM HEIGHT.
2:21:57PM SO WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO CONTINUE THIS TO THAT AUGUST

2:22:01PM WORKSHOP?
2:22:04PM >>STEPHEN BENSON: WE CAN CONTINUE THIS, BUT I WOULD STILL
2:22:09PM LIKE TO CAUTION, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL HAVE
2:22:11PM RECOMMENDATIONS AT THAT POINT.
2:22:13PM BECAUSE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP CHANGES OR THE ENTITLEMENTS
2:22:15PM IN THE FUTURE LAND USES CHANGE, THEN THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE
2:22:18PM GOING TO CHANGE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE INCREASING WHAT
2:22:20PM CAN BE BUILT IN THAT LAND USE CATEGORY.
2:22:22PM >>BILL CARLSON: WILL WE KNOW THAT BY AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER?
2:22:24PM >>STEPHEN BENSON: NO, BUT I THINK WE CAN HAVE THE
2:22:27PM CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE IN SEPTEMBER
2:22:30PM BASED UPON WHAT WE HEAR AND HOW FAA WOULD FIT OR NOT FIT
2:22:33PM INTO THAT.
2:22:34PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHEN WOULD YOU RECOMMEND BRINGING IT BACK?
2:22:36PM >>STEPHEN BENSON: AFTER SEPTEMBER.
2:22:37PM >>BILL CARLSON: OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER?
2:22:38PM I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR OUT WE GO?
2:22:45PM IF I'M NOT HERE, YOU ALL CAN CANCEL IT.
2:22:50PM >>STEPHEN BENSON: WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO TODAY IS GO
2:22:53PM THROUGH AND PICK OUT SOME OF THE AREAS AND EXPLAIN TO YOU
2:22:55PM WHICH ONES ARE ACTUALLY RELEVANT TO THE QUESTIONS.
2:22:58PM THAT'S WHAT THE INTENT OF THE MAPS ARE THAT I HAVE IN THE
2:23:00PM PRESENTATION THAT WE'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH.
2:23:02PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF ME SETTING IT UP IS
2:23:05PM JUST THAT I WAS TRYING TO SAVE TIME.

2:23:06PM SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THIS, IF WE COULD FOCUS ON
2:23:09PM THE MAPS AND DISCUSS THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE MOST
2:23:11PM PRODUCTIVE.
2:23:11PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I DON'T WANT TO HIJACK STEPHEN'S
2:23:16PM PRESENTATION, HE'S DONE TREMENDOUS.
2:23:18PM WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AT THE END REALLY TRY TO UNDERSTAND
2:23:21PM WHAT THE OBJECTIVE OF RAISING THOSE HEIGHTS ARE.
2:23:24PM RIGHT NOW IF WE RAISE THE HEIGHTS AND WE CREATE A VOLUME,
2:23:27PM THE LAND USES DON'T GIVE YOU ENOUGH DENSITY TO GET THERE.
2:23:30PM SO THAT'S THE CHALLENGE THAT WE'RE AT.
2:23:31PM IF YOU HAVE A CMU 35 AND YOU ONLY GET F.A.R. OF 2 BUT YOUR
2:23:36PM BUILDING COULD BE 400 FEET, YOU'LL NEVER GET THERE BECAUSE
2:23:40PM YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ENTITLEMENT TO FILL THE VOLUME.
2:23:44PM SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE AS WE PREPARED FOR THIS BETWEEN
2:23:48PM PLANNING AND ZONING AND WE ALL SAT DOWN WORKING TOGETHER,
2:23:51PM THE QUESTIONS CAME UP, WHAT IS THE REAL OBJECTIVE BY
2:23:53PM ALLOWING THIS?
2:23:55PM INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THE ROOMS TO GO AT THE CORNER OF DALE
2:23:58PM MABRY AND BOYSCOUT, WHICH YOU WOULD THINK, WOW, THAT WOULD
2:24:03PM HAVE, IF WE RAISED THAT TO FAA, THE FAA LIMIT THERE IS 22
2:24:07PM FEET.
2:24:07PM IT HAD TO GET A HEIGHT VARIANCE FROM THE FAA TO BE AT THE
2:24:10PM HEIGHT IT'S ACTUALLY AT.
2:24:12PM IT GETS A LITTLE BIT COMPLEX.
2:24:14PM THAT'S WHY I THINK WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK ON IT, BUT WE

2:24:16PM HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AS TO, OKAY, WHAT IS THE REAL OBJECTIVE
2:24:22PM BETWEEN RAISING IT TO FAA?
2:24:23PM AVOID VARIANCES, WAIVERS, PDs OR SOME OTHER INTENT YOU'RE
2:24:28PM TRYING TO ACHIEVE BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW
2:24:31PM BACK WITH YOU.
2:24:32PM >>BILL CARLSON: MY ONLY OBJECTIVE IS TO TRY TO SAVE TIME AND
2:24:35PM MONEY FOR DEVELOPERS WHO WANT TO GO UP TO A CERTAIN HEIGHT.
2:24:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. BENSON, ARE THESE MAPS GOING TO SHOW THE
2:24:43PM FLIGHT PATHS ON THE EAST, WEST RUNWAY AND NORTH, SOUTH,
2:24:47PM EAST, RUNWAY?
2:24:49PM >>STEPHEN BENSON: NO.
2:24:50PM I PROMISE TO BE BRIEF IF I CAN.
2:24:53PM I THINK I CAN GET THROUGH THIS PRETTY QUICKLY.
2:24:55PM WE NEED TO START AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LEVEL LIKE WHAT
2:24:58PM ABBYE JUST MENTIONED BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT GIVES YOU THE BULK
2:25:01PM AND INTENSITY TO GET TO FAA OR NOT GET TO FAA OR EVEN TO
2:25:04PM EXCEED FAA.
2:25:05PM THE BUFFERS ON THE MAP, THOSE SHOW YOU AT THE CENTER IT'S 30
2:25:10PM FEET.
2:25:10PM AT THE VERY EDGE WHERE IT IS THE DARKEST GREEN, IT'S 210.
2:25:13PM IT'S ABOUT HALF OF THE CITY AND PROJECTS THAT EXCEED THAT,
2:25:19PM THEN THERE ARE EXAMPLES IN HERE OF PROJECTS IN SOME OF THESE
2:25:22PM AREAS THAT ARE CONTROLLED BY FAA BUT ALSO NOT CONTROLLED BY
2:25:26PM FAA THAT ARE EXCEEDING FAA.
2:25:28PM THOSE EVEN IF WE MATCHED TO FAA THEY WOULD STILL COME IN AS

2:25:31PM A WAIVER BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE VARIANCE AND GET
2:25:33PM IT APPROVED FROM THE AVIATION AUTHORITY.
2:25:35PM JUST TALKING THROUGH WHAT THE AREAS ARE, ON THE LEFT SIDE,
2:25:39PM THE PINK AREA, ALL OF IT THERE IS WESTSHORE OVERLAY.
2:25:43PM THAT'S COVERED BY WESTSHORE OVERLAY.
2:25:46PM THAT ALIGNS WITH FAA.
2:25:48PM ALONG DALE MABRY, ALONG KENNEDY, AND IT'S PRIMARILY THE
2:25:51PM COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.
2:25:52PM SO THAT'S ALREADY SET.
2:25:53PM ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE MAP IN THE BUFFER ZONES, YOU SEE
2:25:58PM HARBOUR ISLAND ON THE BOTTOM, CHANNEL DISTRICT ON THE RIGHT,
2:26:01PM BIG PIECE ON THE RIGHT.
2:26:02PM THE WEST SIDE OF THE RIVER, IT IS THE AREA SOUTH OF
2:26:04PM UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA, AND THEN ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT
2:26:07PM CLUSTER IT'S ENCORE, WHICH, AGAIN, HAS ALREADY BEEN
2:26:09PM ENTITLED.
2:26:10PM ALREADY COMING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
2:26:11PM THE HEIGHTS REDEVELOPMENT AREA, WHICH YOU'RE ALREADY SEEING
2:26:15PM THOSE PROJECTS COME THROUGH.
2:26:16PM BEYOND THAT, THERE IS NOT A WHOLE LOT THAT WILL HIT 24
2:26:19PM FLOORS AND HIT FAA.
2:26:21PM THE TWO PIECES THAT DON'T REALLY FALL INTO THIS, IT'S BUSCH
2:26:23PM GARDENS TO THE NORTH AND THEN A SMALL PARCEL OUT EAST ON
2:26:27PM ADAMO AND 50th.
2:26:28PM THOSE ARE THE ONLY PROJECTS THAT CAN HIT UP TO 24 FLOORS AND

2:26:31PM THAT WOULD BE TRIGGERING THE FAA WAIVER.
2:26:33PM WHEN YOU GO DOWN A LEVEL IS WHERE I THINK WE'RE GETTING INTO
2:26:36PM THE AREAS YOU WERE SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED.
2:26:38PM KENNEDY BOULEVARD POPS UP.
2:26:39PM THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT CAN GET GENERALLY UP TO 10 FLOORS.
2:26:42PM BUT IF YOU LOOK AT HOW THE BUFFER LINE IS DRAWN ACROSS
2:26:45PM KENNEDY, IN THE CENTER OF KENNEDY AROUND MacDILL, THAT'S
2:26:48PM THREE TIMES AS HIGH THAT THE FAA LETS YOU GO TO AS OPPOSED
2:26:51PM TO THE EDGES OF DOWNTOWN AND WESTSHORE.
2:26:53PM DO YOU REALLY WANT THREE TIMES AS HIGH OF A HEIGHT SET FOR
2:26:56PM MIDDLE OF KENNEDY AS OPPOSED TO THE EDGES CLOSER TO DOWNTOWN
2:26:59PM AND WESTSHORE?
2:27:00PM IT GETS A LITTLE COMPLICATED ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
2:27:03PM NEIGHBORHOODS IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH AND IMMEDIATELY TO
2:27:04PM THE SOUTH.
2:27:05PM AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE REST OF THE AREAS, THE REST OF BUSCH
2:27:08PM GARDENS LIGHTS UP.
2:27:10PM IN THE SULPHUR SPRINGS AREA, TOD NODE, KMART ON THE WEST
2:27:14PM SIDE OF INTERSTATE, DOG TRACK ON THE EAST SIDE.
2:27:16PM I THINK THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO POTENTIALLY LOOK AT.
2:27:19PM AND THEN THE PINK THERE JUST NORTH OF WESTSHORE IS THE AREA
2:27:23PM AROUND ONE BUC PLACE, AND THEN TO THE SOUTH, YOU CAN SEE
2:27:26PM THAT DALE MABRY AND GANDY AND THEN EVERYTHING ALONG GANDY
2:27:30PM GOING WEST, PICKING UP WESTSHORE AND MARINA DISTRICT, ALSO
2:27:33PM GETTING UP TO 10 FLOORS.

2:27:35PM THAT PROBABLY WOULD BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
2:27:36PM AND THEN THE REMAINDERS OF WHAT YOU SEE ON THE MAP ARE JUST
2:27:39PM THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
2:27:42PM LESS OF AN ISSUE, BUT I THINK SOME OF THE WAIVERS YOU'RE
2:27:45PM SEEING ARE STILL IN THE AREAS AND STILL RELEVANT.
2:27:48PM IF I CAN SHOW YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THE CENTRAL BUSINESS
2:27:50PM DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
2:27:52PM FAA GETS YOU UP TO 70 FEET ALONG SORT OF AMALIE ARENA,
2:27:57PM COTANCHOBEE PARK.
2:27:57PM ONCE YOU GET TO THE NORTH END OF DOWNTOWN, UP TOWARDS THE
2:28:01PM INTERSTATE, THAT'S UP TO 130.
2:28:03PM AGAIN, EVEN USING FAA, YOU REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE
2:28:08PM SPECIFIC BLOCKS AND WHAT THE AREAS ARE AND IF YOU REALLY
2:28:10PM WANT TO PROVIDE THE NORTH END 130 AND THE SOUTH END 90.
2:28:15PM THIS IS THE WESTSHORE OVERLAY.
2:28:17PM AGAIN, IT'S TIED TO FAA.
2:28:18PM STARTS AT 30 FEET AROUND INTERNATIONAL PLAZA, BUT YOU CAN
2:28:21PM THEORETICALLY GET UP TO 110 FEET IF YOU LOOK WAY OUT EAST ON
2:28:24PM HILLSBOROUGH AND HIMES.
2:28:25PM THAT PORTION OF THE OVERLAY CAN GO TO 110.
2:28:29PM IT IS NOT NECESSARILY CONSISTENT AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY
2:28:31PM GOING TO ALIGN WITH WHAT THE VISION IS FOR EACH OF THE
2:28:35PM NEIGHBORHOODS.
2:28:35PM AND THEN HERE IS THE KENNEDY BOULEVARD EXAMPLE.
2:28:38PM ON THE WEST SIDE 110.

2:28:40PM EAST SIDE 110.
2:28:41PM MIDDLE AROUND MacDILL, 150.
2:28:43PM LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT THE LAND USE CATEGORY OR ACTUALLY
2:28:47PM SOME EXAMPLES, BECAUSE I THINK THIS WILL HELP ANSWER THE
2:28:50PM QUESTION.
2:28:51PM THIS IS THE MIDTOWN TOWER, WHICH YOU SAW RECENTLY.
2:28:53PM THE UNDERLYING ZONING WAS CI.
2:28:57PM SO THAT'S 45 FEET.
2:28:58PM THAT'S THE DASHED GREEN LINE.
2:28:59PM AGAIN, IT'S WESTSHORE OVERLAY, SO IT LETS YOU GO UP TO WHAT
2:29:04PM THE FAA SETS, 90 FEET.
2:29:06PM LOOK AT THE ACTUAL PROJECT.
2:29:07PM THEY OVERSHOT THAT AND THEY HAD TO GET A VARIANCE FROM THE
2:29:10PM AVIATION BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT SO IT ENDED UP COMING BACK TO
2:29:13PM YOU ANYWAY EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN AN AREA ALREADY CONTROLLED BY
2:29:17PM FAA.
2:29:17PM KENNEDY BOULEVARD, 2121 WEST KENNEDY, THAT WAS A RECENT
2:29:20PM PROJECT.
2:29:21PM AGAIN, THE UNDERLYING ZONING GETS YOU TO 45 FEET.
2:29:25PM IT'S THE KENNEDY OVERLAY.
2:29:26PM THAT IS THE UMU 60.
2:29:27PM GETS YOU UP TO 10 FLOORS IN HEIGHT.
2:29:30PM BUT THE FAA WOULD BE 130 IN THIS AREA.
2:29:33PM SO THIS IS ONE WHERE IT WOULD HAVE PROBABLY BEEN WITHIN WHAT
2:29:38PM FAA WOULD SET.

2:29:39PM AND THEN THE LAST EXAMPLE I WANT TO SHOW YOU IS BOULEVARD
2:29:43PM AND CLEVELAND.
2:29:44PM THE FAA WAS 110.
2:29:46PM AND THEY ENDED UP COMING IN WITH 260.
2:29:48PM AGAIN THAT ONE HAD TO GET APPROVAL FROM THE FAA, BUT THAT
2:29:52PM WAIVER WOULD NOT HAVE GONE AWAY.
2:29:54PM IT WOULDN'T HAVE NECESSARILY SAVED ANY TIME BECAUSE THEY
2:29:56PM WERE GOING TO EXCEED IT ANYWAY.
2:30:01PM WHAT WE WERE -- THE CONVERSATION WE JUST HAD INITIALLY, IS
2:30:05PM IT A COMP PLAN ISSUE OR A ZONING ISSUE BECAUSE WE REALLY
2:30:08PM NEED TO START AT THE COMP PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU DO
2:30:11PM DECIDE TO INCREASE THE ENTITLEMENTS FOR A BONUS ONLY, WHAT
2:30:15PM AREA IS THAT GOING TO BE IN?
2:30:16PM WHAT ARE THE NODES WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER TODAY THAT YOU'RE
2:30:19PM GOING TO PROVIDE THE ADDITIONALLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING BONUS
2:30:21PM AND WHERE IS THAT ACTUALLY GOING TO GET YOU UP TO FAA?
2:30:25PM THAT IS THE CONVERSATION THAT HAPPENS FIRST.
2:30:26PM IF WE TRY TO FIX IT NOW, WE'LL END UP POTENTIALLY CHANGING
2:30:29PM IT IN SEPTEMBER.
2:30:29PM AND THEN JUST A QUESTION OF ARE WE TRYING TO DISCOURAGE
2:30:34PM PROJECTS FROM EXCEEDING.
2:30:35PM I THINK YOU ANSWERED THESE.
2:30:36PM WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING WHERE WE'LL GO FROM THE LAND USE
2:30:39PM PERSPECTIVE, WHATEVER RECOMMENDATION WE WOULD HAVE FOR YOU
2:30:40PM TODAY OR IN SEPTEMBER WOULDN'T REALLY BE RELEVANT.

2:30:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:30:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IS THERE A WAY THAT WHEN YOU COME BACK IN
2:30:48PM SEPTEMBER WE CAN JUST FOLD THIS CONVERSATION INTO THE OTHER
2:30:52PM CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING?
2:30:53PM >>STEPHEN BENSON: YES, WE CAN DO THAT.
2:30:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:30:58PM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN WE SCHEDULE IT AT THE SAME TIME?
2:31:02PM >>STEPHEN BENSON: YES.
2:31:03PM >>BILL CARLSON: DO YOU KNOW WHEN THE OTHER ONE IS COMING
2:31:05PM BACK?
2:31:05PM >>STEPHEN BENSON: IT WILL BE SEPTEMBER, AND WE SHOULD HAVE
2:31:08PM AN IDEA OF WHAT THOSE FLOORS ARE GOING TO BE SET AT, WHAT
2:31:12PM THE HEIGHT WILL BE SET AT AT THE LAND USE LEVEL, SO WE CAN
2:31:14PM DO THAT.
2:31:15PM >>BILL CARLSON: COULD I SCHEDULE THIS FOR THE SEPTEMBER
2:31:18PM WORKSHOP AND THEN IF WE NEED TO MOVE -- SEPTEMBER 20th --
2:31:22PM 28th.
2:31:22PM IF WE NEED TO MOVE IT, THEN YOU CAN LET US KNOW AND WE'LL
2:31:29PM MOVE IT.
2:31:30PM THANK YOU FOR ALL THE HARD WORK.
2:31:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED BY
2:31:33PM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:31:34PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
2:31:35PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
2:31:37PM ANY OPPOSED?

2:31:38PM MOTION PASSES.
2:31:41PM >>STEPHEN BENSON: I DO HAVE A REQUEST, THOUGH, SINCE
2:31:43PM SEPTEMBER SEEMS TO BE WHERE ALL THIS IS SITTING, WE WOULD
2:31:45PM LIKE TO REQUEST THAT WE CAN TRY TO RESERVE THAT SEPTEMBER
2:31:48PM WORKSHOP FOR ALL OF THESE GROWTH MANAGEMENT LAND USE ITEMS
2:31:51PM FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
2:31:53PM >>BILL CARLSON: I'LL MOVE THAT.
2:31:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:31:56PM SECONDED BY -- MR. SHELBY.
2:32:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
2:32:02PM JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF THAT MOTION, THE MOTION IS TO NOT
2:32:05PM -- FOR CITY COUNCIL TO NOT SCHEDULE ANY MATTERS FOR THE
2:32:11PM WORKSHOP OTHER THAN LAND DEVELOPMENT ISSUES.
2:32:15PM >>STEPHEN BENSON: LAND USE AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
2:32:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: LAND USE AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT ISSUES, JUST
2:32:19PM SO WE'RE CLEAR FOR THE RECORD.
2:32:21PM THANK YOU.
2:32:21PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
2:32:22PM THANK YOU.
2:32:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:32:24PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:32:25PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
2:32:27PM IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
2:32:28PM MOTION CARRIES.
2:32:29PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER -- ARE WE GOING TO DO 10?

2:32:37PM I THINK, COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU STILL WANTED TO HEAR NUMBER
2:32:41PM 10.
2:32:46PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO, NO.
2:32:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11.
2:32:49PM FILE CM22-77481.
2:32:56PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:32:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
2:32:58PM I JUST WANTED TO SET THIS UP THAT THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A
2:33:03PM PRESENTATION OF BOTH STAFF AND THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE
2:33:06PM STAKEHOLDER GROUP.
2:33:08PM STAFF WANTED TO CONTINUE THIS FOR THEIR PART, BUT THE
2:33:11PM STAKEHOLDERS WERE PREPARED AND READY.
2:33:13PM SO WE'RE GOING TO LISTEN TO HEAR WHAT THE STAKEHOLDERS HAVE
2:33:17PM TO SAY ABOUT THIS PURE PROJECT AND THE BEST AND WORST-CASE
2:33:23PM SCENARIOS OF CONTINUING WITH THE WATER STATUS QUO AND
2:33:26PM TALKING ALSO ABOUT SENATE BILL 64, MINIMUM FLOWS ON THE
2:33:30PM HILLSBOROUGH RIVER AND DROUGHT-PROOFING THE RESERVOIR.
2:33:50PM >> MY NAME IS SID FLANNERY.
2:33:54PM I'VE SPOKEN TO YOU A COUPLE OF TIMES BEFORE.
2:33:56PM I SPENT MY CAREER IN WATER RESOURCES MANAGEMENT AND WORKED
2:33:59PM FOR NEARLY 30 YEARS FOR THE SOUTHWEST FLORIDA WATER
2:34:02PM MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, RETIRED AS CHIEF ENVIRONMENTAL
2:34:05PM SCIENTIST.
2:34:07PM WORKED ON MINIMUM FLOWS, SPECIALIZING IN FRESHWATER FLOWS TO
2:34:10PM ESTUARY.

2:34:11PM I WORKED ON THE MINIMUM FLOWS FOR HILLSBOROUGH RIVER,
2:34:13PM SULPHUR SPRINGS AND TAMPA BYPASS CANAL.
2:34:16PM JUST AS IMPORTANTLY I WORKED ON THE WATER USE PERMITS FOR
2:34:18PM THE CITY OF TAMPA.
2:34:21PM GIVEN THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL DISCUSSION I WOULD POINT OUT FOR
2:34:23PM THE LAST 27 YEARS I'VE BEEN A BLUEGRASS MUSIC PROGRAMMER AT
2:34:28PM WMNF IN TAMPA.
2:34:31PM WE DIDN'T BRING ANY BANJOS IN, SO THANK OUR STARS FOR THAT.
2:34:34PM TODAY, I'M REPRESENTING A CITIZENS' STAKEHOLDERS GROUP THAT
2:34:36PM THE CITY WATER DEPARTMENT HAS FACILITATED SINCE DECEMBER
2:34:40PM 2020.
2:34:40PM WE HAVE MET WITH THE CITY WATER DEPARTMENT PROBABLY ABOUT 20
2:34:43PM TIMES AND WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING CLOSELY THE CITY'S PLANS AND
2:34:46PM OPTIONS FOR REROUTING AND REUSING RECLAIMED WATER FROM THE
2:34:50PM HOWARD F. CURREN WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT THAT NOW
2:34:53PM DISCHARGES TO TAMPA BAY.
2:34:55PM AS YOU NOTE, SENATE BILL 64 THAT WAS PASSED BY THE FLORIDA
2:34:59PM LEGISLATURE IN 2021 REQUIRES UTILITIES TO LARGELY ELIMINATE
2:35:03PM SURFACE WATER DISCHARGES OF TREATED WASTEWATER FROM
2:35:06PM FACILITIES SUCH AS THE HOWARD F. CURREN PLANT.
2:35:09PM OUR STAKEHOLDERS YUCATAN PENINSULA HAS BEEN FOLLOWING HOW
2:35:12PM THE CITY CAN MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS BILL AND THAT'S
2:35:15PM WHAT I'LL BE SPEAKING TO YOU ABOUT BRIEFLY TODAY.
2:35:17PM IN THAT REGARD, THE CITY HAS IDENTIFIED THREE FACTORS THAT
2:35:21PM MUST ADDRESS WITH REGARD TO SENATE BILL 64 VERSUS

2:35:25PM MAINTAINING THE STATUS QUO.
2:35:26PM THOSE THREE FACTORS ARE THEY HAVE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS
2:35:29PM OF THE BILL.
2:35:31PM IT'S THE WATER DEPARTMENT'S UNDERSTANDING TO MEET THE
2:35:33PM REQUIREMENTS OF SENATE BILL 64 THEY HAVE TO ELIMINATE AN
2:35:37PM AVERAGE OF 50 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER OF DISCHARGE FROM
2:35:40PM HOWARD F. CURREN PLANT PER YEAR ON AVERAGE AND REROUTE IT
2:35:43PM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
2:35:44PM YOU'LL HEAR ME SAY MGD.
2:35:47PM THAT STANDS FOR MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
2:35:49PM AGAIN, 50 MILLION GALLONS A DAY TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF
2:35:51PM THE STATUTE.
2:35:52PM SECONDLY, TWO PRINCIPAL PURPOSES ARE TO MEET THE MINIMUM
2:35:56PM FLOWS FOR THE LOWER HILLSBOROUGH RIVER TO PROVIDE FLOW TO
2:35:59PM THE RIVER BELOW THE DAM WHEN OTHERWISE NO FLOW.
2:36:01PM THE THIRD PURPOSE WOULD BE TO HELP DROUGHT-PROOF THE
2:36:05PM RESERVOIR DURING THE DRY SEASON.
2:36:07PM SO HERE WE HAVE ON THE SCREEN, OF COURSE, THE CITY OF
2:36:10PM TAMPA'S DAMS, ABOUT TEN MILES UPSTREAM FROM THE MOUTH OF THE
2:36:14PM HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
2:36:14PM THE HOWARD F. CURREN DISCHARGE TREATMENT PLANT, HOOKER'S
2:36:17PM POINTE ABOUT 2.5 MILES SOUTH OF THE MOUTH OF THE
2:36:21PM HILLSBOROUGH RIVER DIRECTLY IN SEDDON CHANNEL OPPOSITE THE
2:36:26PM SOUTHERN TIP OF DAVIS ISLANDS.
2:36:27PM THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

2:36:29PM I WANT TO SHOW YOU THIS TO GIVE YOU SOME GOOD PERSPECTIVE.
2:36:34PM THESE ARE MONTHLY DISCHARGES FROM THE HOWARD F. CURREN
2:36:37PM WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT FROM 2013 TO ABOUT MAY OF 2021.
2:36:41PM YOU CAN SEE IT DOES VARY SOMEWHAT SEASONALLY.
2:36:45PM WHAT I HAVE THERE, THE ORANGE LINE IS A REFERENCE LINE.
2:36:47PM THAT'S 50 MGD.
2:36:49PM THAT'S THE AVERAGE QUANTITY OF DISCHARGE THE CITY WOULD HAVE
2:36:52PM TO ELIMINATE AT THIS LOCATION AND REROUTE TO BE IN
2:36:55PM COMPLIANCE WITH SENATE BILL 64.
2:36:57PM ONE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT WITH THIS REGARD IS THAT THIS
2:37:02PM DISCHARGE HAS BEEN FUNCTIONING ACTUALLY QUITE WELL.
2:37:05PM AS YOU KNOW TO THE WILSON GRISSELL BILL AND GRISSELL FIG
2:37:09PM BILL, THE CITY OF TAMPA HAD TO UPGRADE THEIR WATER TREATMENT
2:37:12PM PLANT TO TERTIARY TREATMENT STANDARDS.
2:37:14PM IT'S VERY GOOD.
2:37:15PM TAMPA BAY HAS BEEN A SUCCESS STORY.
2:37:18PM MANY ECOLOGICAL PARAMETERS HAVE BEEN IMPROVING FOR DECADES
2:37:21PM IN LARGE PART TO THE TREATMENT OF THE HOWARD F. CURREN
2:37:26PM PLANT.
2:37:26PM COUPLE OF YEARS LITTLE DOWN TURN IN SEA GRASS COVERAGE.
2:37:29PM SEA GRASS LONG TERM HAS BEEN INCREASING.
2:37:31PM WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT.
2:37:33PM THIS WATER TREATMENT PLANT HAS BEEN FUNCTIONING VERY WELL
2:37:35PM AND TAMPA BAY HAS BEEN DOING WELL IN ITSELF.
2:37:37PM THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

2:37:39PM BEFORE WE THINK ABOUT THE NEXT SLIDE, LET ME SPEAK GENERALLY
2:37:43PM ABOUT SENATE BILL 64.
2:37:45PM LET'S KEEP IN MIND ABOUT 85 TO 90% OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA
2:37:49PM GETS ITS PUBLIC SUPPLY FROM GROUNDWATER FROM WELLS.
2:37:53PM THAT'S WHAT IS TYPICALLY DONE IN FLORIDA.
2:37:55PM AND I THINK THIS BILL MIGHT FIT THAT CAUSE PRETTY WELL, IF
2:37:59PM YOU ARE A SMALL COMMUNITY IN SOUTHERN POLK COUNTY AND WITH
2:38:02PM AQUIFER STRESS THAT'S ONE THING.
2:38:04PM BUT THIS BILL IS AN AWKWARD FIT FOR UTILITIES THAT USE
2:38:07PM RIVERS FOR WATER SUPPLY.
2:38:09PM IT REALLY HAS DIFFICULTY IN BEING APPLIED WELL IF YOU USE A
2:38:14PM RIVER SUPPLY THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS BEEN DOING OVER A
2:38:17PM HUNDRED YEARS.
2:38:18PM THE NEXT GRAPHIC, I GOT THIS FROM THE SOUTHWEST FLORIDA
2:38:20PM WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.
2:38:21PM BUT I PUT THE WORDS IN AT THE TOP IN YELLOW.
2:38:24PM THESE ARE THE NUMBERS OF NO-FLOW DAYS AT THE HILLSBOROUGH
2:38:28PM RIVER DAM.
2:38:29PM LET ME FIRST POINT OUT WATER FLOW RECORDS OF THE DAM GO BACK
2:38:32PM TO THE 1940s.
2:38:34PM PRIOR TO 1970s, THERE WAS ALWAYS FLOW OVER THE DAM.
2:38:37PM BUT AS WATER SUPPLY INCREASED, WE STARTED TO GET NO-FLOW
2:38:40PM DAYS.
2:38:40PM WHAT YOU SEE IN THE NO-FLOW DAYS, THOSE ARE THE DAIS THAT
2:38:43PM MINIMUM FLOWS WOULD BE IN EFFECT.

2:38:45PM LET ME FIRST STOP AND JUST SAY FOR A SECOND, THOUGH THAT THE
2:38:48PM EXISTING REGULATORY MINIMUM FLOWS OF THE RIVER CAN BE MET
2:38:52PM WITH EXISTING WATER RESOURCES.
2:38:53PM SULPHUR SPRINGS, BLUE SINK AND THE TAMPA BYPASS CANAL.
2:38:57PM THE EXISTING WATER RESOURCES CAN MEET THE EXISTING
2:39:00PM REGULATORY MINIMUM FLOW RATES FOR LOWER HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
2:39:03PM THE IMPORTANT THING TO POINT OUT IN THIS GRAPHIC THOUGH IS
2:39:06PM LOOK AT HOW MUCH VARIABILITY, HOW MUCH DIFFERENCE THERE IS
2:39:09PM BETWEEN YEARS AND HOW MANY TIMES THERE'S NO FLOW DAYS AT THE
2:39:13PM DAM.
2:39:13PM AGAIN, VERTICAL BARS REPRESENT THE NUMBER OF NO FLOW DAYS AT
2:39:16PM THE DAM.
2:39:16PM THE HIGHEST WE EVER SAW WAS IN YEAR 2000, OVER 300 DAYS OF
2:39:21PM NO FLOW.
2:39:22PM ALSO NOTICED -- YOU HEAR BRAD BAIRD TALK ABOUT THIS -- A
2:39:24PM VERY PRONOUNCED DRY PERIOD FROM 2006 TO 2010 WE HAD A NUMBER
2:39:28PM OF DRY YEARS.
2:39:29PM BUT LOOK AT THE WET YEARS, THE LOW BARS.
2:39:32PM DURING 2003, THERE WAS ONLY NINE DAYS OF NO FLOW OVER THE
2:39:36PM DAM.
2:39:36PM SO VIRTUALLY ALL YEAR THERE WAS FLOW OVER THE DAM.
2:39:39PM ALSO LOOK IN RECENT YEARS, THE LOW FLOW DAYS HAVE BEEN LESS.
2:39:43PM LOOK AT 2014 TO 2015.
2:39:46PM IN 2014, THERE'S ONLY 31 DAYS OF NO FLOW.
2:39:50PM IN 2015, THERE WAS 36 DAYS OF NO FLOW.

2:39:53PM SO FOR THOSE TWO YEARS IN A ROW, YOU HAD ABOUT 330 DAYS IN
2:39:57PM THE YEAR WHEN THERE WAS NO NEED FOR MINIMUM FLOWS.
2:40:00PM SO THIS BASIC THING FOR RECLAIMED WATER WE SIMPLY DIDN'T
2:40:04PM NEED IT.
2:40:05PM THERE'S TREMENDOUS VARIATION FROM YEAR TO YEAR ON HOW OFTEN
2:40:08PM RECLAIMED WATER IS GOING TO BE NEEDED FOR MINIMUM FLOWS.
2:40:11PM SIMILARLY, THIS HAS VERY GOOD APPLICATION TO WATER SUPPLY.
2:40:15PM WHEN THERE'S FLOW OVER THE DAM, THE CITY CAN COMPLETELY MEET
2:40:19PM THEIR WATER SUPPLY NEEDS WITH THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
2:40:22PM SO IN 2015 AND 2013, YOU HAD TWO YEARS IN A ROW WHERE THE
2:40:26PM CITY COULD MEET ITS WATER SUPPLY NEEDS FOR AVERAGE OF 330
2:40:29PM DAYS PER YEAR.
2:40:30PM SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, YOUR TWO PRINCIPAL NEEDS FOR RIMMED
2:40:34PM WATER, MINIMUM FLOWS AND -- RESERVOIR, YOU DON'T NEED FOR
2:40:39PM NEARLY MOST OF THE YEARS IN WET YEARS.
2:40:40PM SO THIS IS KIND OF A PROBLEM.
2:40:43PM NORMALLY IN WATER MANAGEMENT, YOU WANT TO ADJUST YOUR
2:40:46PM OPERATIONS BASED ON CLIMATIC CONDITIONS.
2:40:49PM THAT'S KIND OF WATER MANAGEMENT 101.
2:40:51PM SENATE BILL 64, WHICH REQUIRES A CITY TO ELIMINATE AN
2:40:55PM AVERAGE OF 50 MGD REALLY DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR THAT.
2:40:58PM SO THE QUESTION WOULD BE, WHERE IS THIS WATER GOING TO GO
2:41:02PM WHEN THERE'S NO NEED FOR MINIMUM FLOWS OR DROUGHT-PROOF THE
2:41:05PM RESERVOIR?
2:41:06PM THE CITY LOOKED AT VARIOUS OPTIONS.

2:41:08PM ONE OF THE OPTIONS THEY CONSIDER IS CALLED AQUIFER STORAGE
2:41:11PM AND RECOVERY WHERE YOU PUMP WATER INTO THE GROUND DURING WET
2:41:13PM PERIODS, YOU TAKE IT BACK UP IN DRY PERIODS.
2:41:16PM THEY DO THAT NOW WITH RIVER WATER THAT THEY TREAT.
2:41:19PM USING DOMESTIC WASTEWATER IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT MORE
2:41:22PM COMPLICATED SITUATION.
2:41:23PM THERE ARE COMPOUNDS IN TREATED DOMESTIC WASTEWATER YOU HAVE
2:41:26PM TO BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT.
2:41:27PM IT WOULD REQUIRE CONSIDERABLE WATER TREATMENT AND EXPENSE
2:41:31PM AND YOU HAVE TO BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR INJECTION WELLS
2:41:35PM AND RECOVERY WELLS.
2:41:37PM YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE A MISTAKE WITH THE FLORIDAN AQUIFER.
2:41:41PM MY POINT IN TELLING YOU THIS IS TO DO THESE SORT OF THINGS,
2:41:45PM REROUTE 50 MGD WILL COST MONEY.
2:41:47PM IT'S IMPORTANT.
2:41:48PM LET'S ONLY DO THAT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE REALLY NEED TO,
2:41:52PM THAT IT'S NEED FOR RECLAIMED WATER, NOT THE FACT THAT THERE
2:41:55PM IS THIS ONE SIZE FITS ALL BILL OUT OF TALLAHASSEE THAT SAYS
2:41:58PM YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH 50 MGD EVERY YEAR.
2:42:01PM NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
2:42:02PM I'LL GET TO THIS IN A SECOND.
2:42:07PM I JUMPED AHEAD.
2:42:08PM IN PART TO DEAL WITH THIS, WE DEVELOPED SOME SIMPLE LANGUAGE
2:42:13PM THAT COULD BE ADDED TO THE STATUTE TO DEAL WITH THE
2:42:16PM SITUATION.

2:42:16PM WHAT YOU DO BETWEEN WET YEARS AND DRY YEARS, AND WHAT THIS
2:42:19PM SAYS IS A -- WHEN WE SAY A DEPARTMENT, THAT IS THE FLORIDA
2:42:23PM DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.
2:42:24PM A UTILITY MAY APPLY TO THE DEPARTMENT FOR YEARLY VARIANCES
2:42:27PM FROM THE AVERAGE GALLONS PER DAY OF EFFLUENT, RECLAIMED
2:42:30PM WATER OR REUSE WATER THAT WAS NOT DISCHARGED TO SURFACE
2:42:33PM WATER AND THE AVERAGE GALLONS OF DISCHARGE THAT CONTINUED AT
2:42:36PM THE SURFACE WATER SITE.
2:42:37PM SO UTILITY GO, YEAH, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO MEET AN AVERAGE, GEE,
2:42:41PM WE DIDN'T HAVE MUCH DEMAND FOR RECLAIMED WATER THIS YEAR OR
2:42:45PM WE HAVE A CHEMICAL CONSTITUENT OF CONCERN THAT IS GETTING
2:42:47PM HIGH.
2:42:47PM WE WANT TO BACK OFF ON CERTAIN THINGS OR GETTING BACK
2:42:50PM PRESSURE IN WELLS.
2:42:51PM SIMPLY ALLOWS UTILITIES TO REACT DESPITE SITE-SPECIFIC
2:42:56PM CONDITIONS AND GET A YEARLY VARIANCE FROM THE AVERAGES.
2:42:59PM EVERYBODY SEEMS TO ACCEPT THIS.
2:43:00PM BUT THE THING THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING, TOO, CAME UP THIS
2:43:03PM PAST SUMMER.
2:43:04PM THERE ARE -- THERE IS A PROVISION IN THE STATUTE THAT
2:43:09PM DISCHARGES CAN CEASE OR BE EXEMPTED IF THEY MEET CERTAIN
2:43:14PM CONDITIONS, UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO
2:43:16PM ELIMINATE THE SURFACE DISCHARGE.
2:43:18PM HERE IS ONE THAT'S REALLY RELEVANT.
2:43:20PM IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THAT DISCHARGE NOT HAVE TO BE ELIMINATED,

2:43:24PM IF THE DISCHARGE PROVIDES DIRECT ECOLOGICAL OR PUBLIC SUPPLY
2:43:27PM BENEFITS SUCH AS REHYDRATING WETLANDS OR MEETING MINIMUM
2:43:30PM FLOWS AND LEVELS OR RECOVERY OR PREVENTION STRATEGIES FOR A
2:43:34PM WATER BODY.
2:43:35PM WELL, THIS SUMMER, THE CITY WATER DEPARTMENT PUT THE SUBJECT
2:43:38PM ON THE TABLE, ARE THERE BENEFITS OF THE DISCHARGE HOWARD F.
2:43:42PM CURREN TO TAMPA BAY?
2:43:44PM THEY PUT THAT ON THE TABLE TO CONSIDER.
2:43:46PM I VOLUNTEERED TO WRITE A REPORT IN THAT REGARD.
2:43:49PM I WROTE A 20-PAGE REPORT, A TECHNICAL SCIENTIFIC REPORT,
2:43:52PM TALKING ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF THE HOWARD F. CURREN DISCHARGE
2:43:54PM TO TAMPA BAY.
2:43:55PM I GAVE IT TO THE CITY TO REVIEW.
2:43:57PM THEY MADE SOME EDITS TO THE FIRST DRAFT.
2:44:00PM AND THIS SORT OF THING WENT QUITE WELL, ACTUALLY.
2:44:02PM NOVEMBER 8th, THE CITY WATER DEPARTMENT SUBMITTED THIS TO
2:44:05PM THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION TO SEE IF
2:44:08PM THEY COULD BE A DETERMINATION OF BENEFICIAL EFFECTS.
2:44:11PM THEY SENT IT TO DEP'S SOUTHWEST DISTRICT OFFICE IN TEMPLE
2:44:14PM TERRACE, THE WASTEWATER MANAGEMENT DIVISION.
2:44:16PM A WEEK LATER THEY GOT A REPLY BACK FROM DEP.
2:44:20PM SAID, NO, WE CANNOT RECOGNIZE ANY ECOLOGICAL BENEFITS
2:44:23PM EFFECTS.
2:44:24PM AND ONE-SENTENCE E-MAIL.
2:44:27PM TO HIS CREDIT, CHUCK WEBER, THE WATER DEPARTMENT E-MAILED

2:44:30PM BACK AND GOES, "CAN YOU TELL US WHY NOT?"
2:44:33PM THE NEXT DAY THEY GOT ANOTHER E-MAIL.
2:44:34PM LET ME QUOTE FROM IT.
2:44:36PM IT WAS VERY BRIEF AND THIS CAPTURES THE ESSENCE OF THE
2:44:38PM PROBLEM.
2:44:38PM THE DEP REPLIED, "THE ECOLOGICAL BENEFIT PROVISION IN SENATE
2:44:43PM BILL 64 ADDRESSES THE WATER QUANTITY THROUGH IMPLEMENTATION
2:44:47PM OF MINIMUM FLOW AND MINIMUM LEVEL (MFL) REQUIREMENTS.
2:44:52PM MARINE DISCHARGES DO NOT HAVE AN MFL CLASSIFICATION.
2:44:58PM THEREFORE, DISCHARGE OF HOWARD F. CURREN WASTEWATER
2:45:00PM TREATMENT PLANT AS CURRENTLY EXISTS DOES NOT QUALIFY FOR THE
2:45:03PM ECOLOGICAL BENEFIT PROVISION IN SENATE BILL 64."
2:45:06PM THAT'S NOT A TECHNICAL SCIENTIFIC CONCLUSION.
2:45:10PM THAT IS BASICALLY SOMEBODY IN THE TEMPLE TERRACE OFFICE
2:45:11PM SAYING, WELL, THE LEGISLATION SAID MINIMUM FLOWS AND LEVELS.
2:45:15PM WE DON'T HAVE MINIMUM FLOWS AND LEVELS FOR TAMPA BAY, SO YOU
2:45:17PM CAN'T DO IT.
2:45:18PM WELL, THIS IS TREMENDOUSLY IRONIC.
2:45:20PM ESTUARIES ARE TREMENDOUSLY IMPORTANT RESOURCES.
2:45:23PM AND THE FRESHWATER FLOW THAT LEAVES THE HOWARD F. CURREN
2:45:27PM PLANT IN PART REPLACES WATER THAT'S TAKEN FROM THE RIVER FOR
2:45:31PM WATER SUPPLY.
2:45:32PM THE FACT THAT IT DISCHARGES TO THE BAY DOWNSTREAM OF THE
2:45:34PM MOUTH OF THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER DOES NOT NEGATE ITS
2:45:37PM ECOLOGICAL EFFECTS.

2:45:39PM TAMPA BAY DOES NOT STOP AT THE MOUTH OF THE HILLSBOROUGH
2:45:41PM RIVER.
2:45:41PM REALLY, THAT'S NOT A TECHNICALLY SOUND CONCLUSION; IT'S
2:45:44PM REALLY DUE TO THE LACK OF CLARITY IN SENATE BILL 64.
2:45:47PM COULD WE HAVE THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE?
2:45:49PM SO IN THAT REGARD, WE PREPARED LANGUAGE WHICH IS THIS.
2:45:55PM THE EXISTING STATUTE LANGUAGE IS IN WHITE.
2:45:59PM THAT'S WHY I READ TO YOU BEFORE, THAT YOU CANNOT ELIMINATE A
2:46:02PM DISCHARGE THAT PROVIDES THE BENEFITS.
2:46:04PM MINIMUM FLOWS, PREVENTION STRATEGIES.
2:46:06PM WHAT WE ADDED IS ADDED THE LANGUAGE BELOW IN YELLOW.
2:46:10PM FOR WATER BODIES THAT DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE SUCH MANAGEMENT
2:46:13PM PLANS OR REGULATIONS, INCLUDING ESTUARINE WATERS, THE
2:46:17PM DEPARTMENT MAY RECOGNIZE THE ECOLOGICAL BENEFITS OF A
2:46:19PM SURFACE WATER DISCHARGE TO A WATER BODY BASED ON DATA OR
2:46:22PM OTHER INFORMATION FOR THAT SYSTEM.
2:46:24PM SO ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS, DEP CAN LOOK AT TAMPA BAY AND
2:46:28PM SAY, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE A MINIMUM FLOW LEVEL FOR TAMPA BAY
2:46:31PM BUT CLEARLY THERE ARE BENEFITS.
2:46:33PM WE CAN RECOGNIZE THAT.
2:46:34PM THAT'S ALL THAT SIMPLY ALLOWS THEM TO DO.
2:46:36PM QUESTION AT THIS TIME?
2:46:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, ARE YOU READY FOR
2:46:40PM QUESTIONS?
2:46:40PM >> I'M CLOSE.

2:46:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION THAT HAS TO DO
2:46:44PM WITH THIS IN PARTICULAR.
2:46:45PM FOR WATER BODIES, FOR THESE ESTUARIAN WATERS, HOW MANY OTHER
2:46:55PM CITIES IN FLORIDA DISCHARGE THEIR WATER TO A BAY OR AN
2:46:57PM ESTUARY LIKE THIS THAT MIGHT BE AFFECTED?
2:47:00PM DO YOU KNOW?
2:47:01PM >> I CAN'T SAY.
2:47:01PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT MIAMI DOES, THAT KIND OF THING.
2:47:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
2:47:04PM NO WORRIES.
2:47:05PM >> REALLY, IT'S JUST KIND OF A TECHNICALITY THAT DISCHARGES
2:47:08PM THE SEDDON CHANNEL.
2:47:09PM THAT DOESN'T COUNT.
2:47:11PM THERE ARE VOLUMES OF SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE ABOUT THE
2:47:14PM IMPORTANCE OF FRESHWATER FLOW TO ESTUARIES FOR FISHERY
2:47:18PM PRODUCTION, CIRCULATION.
2:47:19PM THE FACT THIS CHARGES SEDDON CHANNEL DOES NOT NEGATE
2:47:23PM ECOLOGICAL IMPORTANCE.
2:47:24PM THIS IS LANGUAGE THAT DEP CAN LOOK AT THIS.
2:47:25PM WHAT I WANT TO DO IS GIVE YOU TWO CONCLUDING SLIDES.
2:47:29PM I WANT TO EMPHASIZE, WE HAVE WRITTEN A DOCUMENT WHICH I
2:47:31PM PRESENTED TO YOU ON DECEMBER 1st.
2:47:33PM SAID THIS IS LANGUAGE THAT CAN BE ADDED TO THE STATUTE TO
2:47:35PM PROVIDE CLARIFICATION.
2:47:36PM WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING CHANGING ANY PART OF THE STATUTE,

2:47:39PM SIMPLY ADDING TWO FAIRLY SIMPLE PASSAGES THAT I'VE BEEN
2:47:43PM SHOWING YOU.
2:47:44PM NEXT, PLEASE.
2:47:45PM I'M TOWARDS THE END.
2:47:46PM I WANT TO EMPHASIZE WHAT YOU'RE RECOGNIZING, THAT OUR
2:47:51PM PROPOSED ADDITIONS TO THE STATUTE WILL NOT PROHIBIT THE
2:47:55PM PURSUIT OF RECLAIMED WATER PROJECTS USING DISCHARGE HOWARD
2:47:59PM F. CURREN ADVANCED WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
2:48:02PM IF WE RECOGNIZE THERE ARE BENEFITS OF THIS FLOW TO TAMPA
2:48:04PM BAY, THIS WILL ALLOW THE CITY TO EXAMINE RECLAIMED WATER
2:48:08PM PROJECT THAT FITS YOUR NEEDS.
2:48:10PM MAYBE IN A DRY YEAR YOU NEED 30 MGD OF RECLAIMED WATER, IN A
2:48:15PM WET YEAR ONLY 5.
2:48:17PM YOU CAN TAILOR MAKE THE RECLAIMED WATER PROJECTS TO THE
2:48:19PM CITY'S NEEDS.
2:48:20PM IF THE REMAINING FLOWS TO TAMPA BAY, THAT'S OKAY.
2:48:25PM IT'S SERVING A BENEFIT.
2:48:26PM SECONDLY, THE PROPOSED ADDITIONS WILL NOT PROHIBIT THE
2:48:29PM PURSUIT OF NATURAL RESOURCE MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES SUCH AS
2:48:31PM NUTRIENT LOAD REDUCTIONS OR HABITAT RESTORATION PROJECTS
2:48:35PM INVOLVED IN THE RECLAIMED WATER.
2:48:36PM IF THE ESTUARY -- LET'S SAY YOU DO THE TOP ONE AND WE FIND
2:48:39PM OUT, WELL, THE MOST DESIRABLE RECLAIMED WATER PROJECT
2:48:43PM REDUCES THE NITROGEN LOAD BY 20% AND THE NEP COMES BACK FIVE
2:48:47PM YEARS LATER, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE 50%.

2:48:49PM THIS DOESN'T PRECLUDE THAT.
2:48:50PM THIS DOESN'T PRECLUDE RECLAIMED WATER PROJECTS OR THE
2:48:53PM PURSUIT.
2:48:54PM IT SIMPLY GIVES THE CITY MUCH MORE FLEXIBILITY TO DEVELOP
2:48:57PM PROJECTS THAT MEETS YOUR NEEDS AND THE NEEDS OF THE
2:48:59PM RESOURCE.
2:49:00PM THAT'S A FAR DIFFERENT SCENARIO THAN SAYING YOU HAVE TO DO
2:49:03PM SOMETHING WITH 50 MGD OF WASTEWATER EVERY YEAR.
2:49:06PM NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
2:49:08PM AN AVERAGE OF 50 MGD.
2:49:12PM THAT'S RIGHT.
2:49:12PM SO, GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
2:49:14PM SO WHAT DO THESE PROPOSED ADDITIONS DO?
2:49:17PM IT WILL GIVE UTILITIES MUCH-NEEDED OPERATIONAL FLEXIBILITY
2:49:21PM TO DEVELOP RECLAIMED WATER PROJECTS THAT ARE DESIGNED AND
2:49:24PM TAILORED TO THEIR NEEDS AND THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THEIR
2:49:28PM WATER RESOURCE WITH PROJECTS THAT ARE, NUMBER ONE, IN
2:49:31PM QUANTITIES THAT ARE TRULY NEEDED, WHICH WILL VARY SEASONALLY
2:49:34PM AND GREATLY BETWEEN WET AND DRY YEARS.
2:49:36PM VERY IMPORTANTLY THIS WILL ALLOW THE CITY TO DEVELOP
2:49:39PM PROJECTS THAT ARE COST-EFFECTIVE, DEALING WITH THE AMOUNT
2:49:43PM YOU NEED IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN DEALING WITH 15 MGD.
2:49:47PM VERY MUCH RELATED TO THAT PROJECTS THAT ARE SAFE FOR THEIR
2:49:50PM DESIGNATED USES.
2:49:51PM DEVELOPING RECLAIMED WATER FOR POTABLE SUPPLY INVOLVES VERY

2:49:55PM EXTENSIVE WATER TREATMENT, WHICH COULD BE DIFFERENT THAN
2:49:57PM PUTTING IT IN THE RIVER, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN LAWN
2:49:59PM IRRIGATION.
2:50:00PM SO WHEN YOU ACTUALLY TAILOR MAKE TO THE QUANTITY YOU REALLY
2:50:03PM NEED TO MAKE IT SAFE THAT WILL AFFECT THE COST-EFFECTIVENESS
2:50:07PM OF THIS WHOLE THING.
2:50:08PM IT'S MORE PROTECTIVE OF THE WATER RESOURCES AND NATURAL
2:50:10PM SYSTEMS AND MORE IN THE BEST PUBLIC INTEREST.
2:50:13PM SO IN ESSENCE WHAT WE ARE DOING IS SIMPLY TRYING TO GET THIS
2:50:16PM CLARIFICATION INTO THE STATUTE TO GIVE THE CITY MUCH MORE
2:50:19PM FLEXIBILITY THAT WOULD BE VERY VALUABLE.
2:50:21PM LAST SLIDE, PLEASE.
2:50:23PM SO WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?
2:50:25PM WE HAVE PREPARED A DOCUMENT THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED TO SOME
2:50:29PM LEGISLATORS THAT ADD LANGUAGE TO STRENGTHEN AND CLARIFY THE
2:50:32PM STATUTE THAT RESULTED FROM SENATE BILL 64.
2:50:35PM YOU MAY RECALL I PRESENTED THAT TO YOU AT YOUR DECEMBER
2:50:37PM 1st MEETING AND COUNCIL TOOK A MOTION TO ASK THE CITY
2:50:41PM ADMINISTRATION TO PURSUE LEGAL AND LOBBYING EFFORTS TO SEE
2:50:43PM IF THEY COULD DO THAT.
2:50:44PM ON JANUARY 12th, YOU GOT A MEMO FROM THE GOVERNMENT
2:50:48PM AFFAIRS OFFICE AT THE CITY, NO, WE CAN'T PURSUE THAT,
2:50:52PM BECAUSE, IN THEIR INTERPRETATION -- THEIR MISINTERPRETATION,
2:50:55PM WE CANNOT ASK FOR THE CITY TO BE EXEMPTED FROM SENATE BILL
2:50:58PM 64.

2:50:59PM THAT'S A VERY BAD MISINTERPRETATION OF OUR DOCUMENT.
2:51:02PM OUR DOCUMENT DOESN'T CALL FOR EXEMPTION FROM SENATE BILL 64.
2:51:06PM IT ACTUALLY PROVIDES THE FLEXIBILITY IN THE SENATE BILL 64.
2:51:09PM I THINK THAT'S WHAT -- THAT WAS MISSTATED BY THAT PARTICULAR
2:51:14PM -- I THINK THEY MEANT WELL.
2:51:15PM THEY JUST DIDN'T THINK CLOSELY ENOUGH ABOUT THAT.
2:51:17PM HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET IT THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE AND THAT CAN
2:51:21PM PROBABLY BE A TOUGH SELL.
2:51:22PM THE NEXT THING TO DO IS AMEND THE FLORIDA ADMINISTRATIVE
2:51:25PM CODE.
2:51:26PM THIS IS THE BODY OF REGULATIONS THAT DETERMINE HOW
2:51:28PM REGULATORY AGENCIES WORK.
2:51:31PM AT THE FACILITATED MEETING THAT THE CITY PUT ON ABOUT A
2:51:33PM MONTH AGO, THERE WAS A FELLA THAT USED TO WORK FOR DEP, NOW
2:51:36PM WORKS FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
2:51:37PM HE SAID THAT'S A POSSIBLE OPTION.
2:51:39PM THE OTHER IS TO INTERACT DIRECTLY WITH F DEP.
2:51:43PM SAY, TALLAHASSEE, CAN WE RECOGNIZE THE ECOLOGICAL BENEFITS?
2:51:45PM WE NEED TO PURSUE ON ALL THESE FRONTS.
2:51:48PM I THINK THEY ARE BEST AT THE TOP.
2:51:51PM MY RECOMMENDATION WITH YOU, I HOPE THAT COUNCIL CAN SUPPORT
2:51:54PM US IN THESE EFFORTS.
2:51:56PM I CONSIDER THIS TO BE A WIN-WIN PROPOSITION.
2:51:58PM IT ALLOWS THE CITY TO TAILOR MAKE YOUR RECLAIMED WATER,
2:52:02PM INVESTIGATIONS TO YOUR RESOURCE, YOUR COST, AND THE ECOLOGY

2:52:06PM OF OUR SYSTEM AND OUR GROUNDWATER RESOURCES.
2:52:09PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:52:10PM I'LL ASK THAT THE ADMINISTRATION SUPPORT THIS AS WELL.
2:52:13PM THANK YOU.
2:52:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
2:52:15PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
2:52:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
2:52:20PM I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS.
2:52:22PM THIS WAS VERY CLEAR.
2:52:23PM VERY EASY TO UNDERSTAND.
2:52:26PM I THINK PROVIDES EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO HEAR ABOUT WAYS WE
2:52:30PM CAN GO FORWARD WITH THIS.
2:52:32PM I'M HOPING THAT IF YOU HAVE A PowerPoint VERSION OR
2:52:38PM SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IF YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO SHARE YOUR
2:52:41PM SLIDES WITH ALL OF US THAT WE CAN TAKE THAT AND MOVE FORWARD
2:52:43PM WITH IT.
2:52:44PM >> YES, I CERTAINLY CAN.
2:52:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH, AGAIN, I
2:52:49PM THINK THIS WAS A VERY CLEAR EXPLANATION.
2:52:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:52:52PM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, THANK YOU.
2:52:54PM THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL THE WORK YOU PUT IN.
2:52:57PM I KNOW YOU PUT A LOT OF WORK IN OVER TIME.
2:52:59PM JUST A FEW QUESTIONS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY
2:53:03PM PARTICULAR OR I'LL JUST ASK THEM.

2:53:05PM BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE LEGISLATION WAS WRITTEN, IT SEEMS
2:53:09PM LIKE PART OF IT WAS WRITTEN JUST FOR TAMPA.
2:53:12PM THERE ARE VERY FEW CITIES THAT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MINIMUM
2:53:16PM FLOWS.
2:53:16PM ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY CITIES THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO --
2:53:22PM THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY WORRIED ABOUT MINIMUM FLOWS IN REGARD
2:53:24PM TO RECLAIMED WATER?
2:53:27PM >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
2:53:29PM EVEN THOUGH I WORK IN THE AREA OF MINIMUM FLOWS, I DON'T
2:53:32PM KNOW.
2:53:33PM AGAIN, MOST CITIES GET THEIR WATER FROM WELLS, SO THEY ARE
2:53:36PM NOT TAKING IT FROM A RIVER, SO I DON'T KNOW.
2:53:38PM AND WHAT THE CITY SAID, THE CITY LOBBIED THAT THEY GOT THAT
2:53:41PM PROVISION USED FOR MINIMUM FLOWS, WHICH I THINK WAS
2:53:45PM BENEFICIAL.
2:53:45PM SO I DON'T KNOW.
2:53:46PM I THINK -- I DON'T KNOW ACROSS THE STATE, BUT, AGAIN, TAMPA
2:53:51PM IS KIND OF UNUSUAL BECAUSE IT GETS ITS WATER SUPPLY FROM THE
2:53:55PM RIVER AND IT HAS TO COMPENSATE WITH MINIMUM FLOWS.
2:54:01PM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU TALKED ABOUT AQUIFER STORAGE, THIS IS 50
2:54:06PM MGD, BUT ALSO ONLY 50 MGD.
2:54:08PM DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA -- I'M NOT ASKING YOU -- IT'S NOT AN
2:54:13PM OFFICIAL KIND OF QUESTION, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA, COULD THE
2:54:15PM CITY GET PERMITS TO PUMP WITHOUT PUTTING THE 50 MGD IN?
2:54:19PM BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE MIGHT PUT THE 50 MGD IN FOR

2:54:23PM A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME AND THEN MAYBE LESS AND PULL OUT
2:54:27PM LATER.
2:54:27PM IT'S NOT LIKE ONE TO ONE.
2:54:31PM MAYBE CAPACITY TO GET PERMIT FOR GROUNDWATER PUMPING, NO?
2:54:34PM >> WELL, AQUIFER STORAGE AND RECOVERY IS USED WITHIN THE
2:54:38PM STATE.
2:54:39PM AGAIN, IT'S TYPICALLY USED WITH TREATED RIVER WATER.
2:54:41PM CITY OF TAMPA USES TREATED RIVER WATER.
2:54:43PM USING IT FOR TREATED DOMESTIC WASTEWATER MIGHT HAVE SOME
2:54:46PM DIFFERENT REGULATORY HURDLES.
2:54:48PM BUT THE IDEA IS YOU PUMP WATER IN AND BUILD WATER UP AND
2:54:52PM THEN YOU TAKE IT OUT.
2:54:53PM I DON'T KNOW THE REAL ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION.
2:54:55PM >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST WONDER WITHOUT DOING THE STORAGE IF
2:54:57PM THERE'S ANY PERMITTABLE WATER DOWN THERE.
2:55:00PM YOU MENTIONED THAT THE DEP, WE SAW THE E-MAIL LIKE A
2:55:05PM ONE-SENTENCE E-MAIL AND RESPONSE LIKE A ONE-SENTENCE E-MAIL.
2:55:08PM IT WAS NOTHING OFFICIAL AT ALL.
2:55:10PM I WOULD ADVOCATE THAT WE SHOULD GO BEFORE FDEP AND DO
2:55:14PM SOMETHING OFFICIAL.
2:55:18PM I WISH CITY COUNCIL COULD HIRE THEIR OWN LOBBYIST.
2:55:21PM OUTSIDE OF THE CITY I WANT TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF YOU ALL.
2:55:23PM I THINK THIS IS A HORRIBLE BURDEN ON TAXPAYERS.
2:55:26PM >> THERE WERE ONE OR TWO SENTENCES AT THE BEGINNING OF THE
2:55:29PM E-MAIL.

2:55:29PM THAT WAS ABOUT IT.
2:55:30PM THAT WAS THE PUNCH LINE.
2:55:31PM IT WAS VERY CONCISE.
2:55:32PM >>BILL CARLSON: SO MANY THINGS LOOKED SUSPICIOUS.
2:55:35PM YOU TALKED ABOUT MINIMUM FLOWS, IF THEY PUT THE WATER JUST
2:55:44PM BELOW THE DAM VERSUS PUTTING IT IN SEDDON CHANNEL, DOES IT
2:55:47PM REALLY HAVE THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERENT IMPACT ON THE RIVER?
2:55:50PM >> YES, IT DOES.
2:55:52PM RIVERS PROVIDE VERY IMPORTANT LOW SALINITY ZONES.
2:55:55PM A LOT OF JUVENILE FISHES TO ACTUALLY MIGRATE INTO THESE LOW
2:55:59PM SALINITY ZONES.
2:56:00PM I SPENT MY CAREER STUDYING THAT.
2:56:01PM BUT HAVING SAID THAT, DISCHARGE AT SEDDON CHANNEL ALSO HAS
2:56:06PM BENEFICIAL EFFECTS.
2:56:06PM THE MINIMUM FLOW IS AT THE BASE OF THE DAM ARE VERY
2:56:12PM IMPORTANT.
2:56:14PM >>BILL CARLSON: SULPHUR SPRINGS, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY,
2:56:16PM PUMPING ABOUT 12 MGD, PLUS OR MINUS.
2:56:20PM THEY TALK ABOUT SALTWATER INTRUSION.
2:56:23PM WE DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT ONE OF THE
2:56:25PM PROPOSALS IS JUST TO STOP PUMPING THE 12 MGD AND BUY IT FROM
2:56:30PM TAMPA BAY WATER OR SOMEONE.
2:56:31PM TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, HAS S.W.F.W.M.D. DONE AN ANALYSIS TO SEE
2:56:35PM IF THAT WOULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM?
2:56:36PM I THINK SOME PEOPLE IN THE WATER DEPARTMENT BELIEVE THAT

2:56:38PM THAT WOULD NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM, THAT SALTWATER INTRUSION
2:56:42PM WOULD CONTINUE.
2:56:43PM >> THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION.
2:56:44PM I'VE WORKED EXTENSIVELY ON SULPHUR SPRINGS.
2:56:48PM I THINK IN 45 SECONDS I CAN SUMMARIZE THIS FOR YOU.
2:56:51PM WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS THE WATER LEVELS IN SULPHUR SPRINGS ARE
2:56:55PM MAINTAINED ABOUT 7 FEET ELEVATION.
2:56:58PM WHAT THEY DID -- AND I WAS PROJECT MANAGER OF THIS -- IF YOU
2:57:00PM LOWER THE WATER LEVEL IN SULPHUR SPRINGS, THAT REDUCES THE
2:57:03PM PRESSURE OVER THE SPRING VENT AND IT INDUCES FLOW.
2:57:06PM SO IN 2012, THEY CHANGED IT, AND NOW WHEN THEY GO TO MINIMUM
2:57:11PM FLOWS, THEY LOWER THE WATER LEVEL DOWN TO ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE
2:57:15PM FEET.
2:57:15PM THERE IS AN EXTREMELY CLEAR RELATIONSHIP THAT WHEN YOU LOWER
2:57:19PM THE WATER LEVELS, THE SPRING GETS SALTIER.
2:57:22PM NOW FROM 2002 TO 2012, WE PROVIDED ABOUT 10 OR 11 CFS, ABOUT
2:57:28PM 7 MGD TO THE BASE OF THE DAM WHILE HOLDING THE WATER LEVEL
2:57:31PM STABLE IN SULPHUR SPRINGS AND THERE WAS NOT AN INCREASE IN
2:57:34PM SALINITY.
2:57:35PM THE MAIN FACTOR THAT HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THE INCREASE IN
2:57:38PM SALINITY IN SULPHUR SPRINGS IS LOWERING THE WATER LEVEL IN
2:57:41PM THE SPRING.
2:57:41PM SO, YEAH, IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, BUT -- HERE IS THE KEY
2:57:45PM POINT -- SULPHUR SPRINGS DOES NOT NEED TO BE ELIMINATED FROM
2:57:49PM THE MINIMUM FLOW SCENARIO.

2:57:51PM NEEDS TO BE REDUCED.
2:57:52PM WE NEED TO BRING THE WATER LEVELS UP TO 7 FEET AND WE CAN
2:57:55PM PROBABLY GET 7 MGD STILL OUT OF SULPHUR SPRINGS.
2:57:57PM >>BILL CARLSON: OH, REALLY.
2:57:58PM SO WE CAN STILL KEEP 7.
2:58:00PM >> YEAH, WE DID THAT SUCCESSFULLY FOR TEN YEARS.
2:58:03PM >>BILL CARLSON: OKAY.
2:58:04PM THE TAMPA BAY WATER AND MEMBER -- A MEMBER GOVERNMENT WENT
2:58:12PM THROUGH THE PROCESS OF LOOKING AT THE QUALITY OF WATER AND
2:58:14PM ASKING FOR THE WATER QUALITY STANDARDS TO BE CHANGED.
2:58:17PM CITY OF TAMPA HAS PRESENTED THAT AS A JUSTIFICATION THAT THE
2:58:21PM WATER QUALITY IN TAMPA IS BETTER THAN THE AVERAGE WATER THAT
2:58:25PM THE TAMPA BAY WATER MEMBER GOVERNMENTS DRINK.
2:58:28PM HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT ANY OF THE STUDIES?
2:58:30PM AND DO YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT?
2:58:32PM >> I HAVE NOT.
2:58:33PM MAYBE SOME OF OUR OTHER STAKEHOLDER MEMBERS HAVE.
2:58:37PM THAT HASN'T BEEN MY FOCUS.
2:58:38PM >>BILL CARLSON: ALSO, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE REASON
2:58:41PM SOME OF THE OTHER GOVERNMENTS IN OUR REGION DON'T HAVE --
2:58:44PM AREN'T FACING THE SAME EXPENSIVE DILEMMA IS BECAUSE THEY ARE
2:58:47PM ALREADY REDIRECTING THEIR RECLAIMED WATER TO WHAT I CALL
2:58:50PM PURPLE PIPES, TO WATER YOUR LAWN.
2:58:52PM I THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD RATHER WATER THEIR LAWN WITH POOPY
2:58:56PM WATER THAN PUT IT IN THE DRINKING WATER.

2:59:00PM BASED ON WHAT YOU KNOW OF THE REGION, TAMPA DID AN
2:59:06PM EXPERIMENT 15 OR 20 YEARS AGO THAT WAS BADLY MARKETED.
2:59:10PM IT WAS NOT WIDELY USED BECAUSE OF THE BAD MARKETING AND BAD
2:59:13PM STRATEGY.
2:59:14PM BUT IN YOUR OPINION SHOULD WE LOOK AT PURPLE PIPES SERIOUSLY
2:59:17PM OR SHOULD WE WRITE THAT OFF AND MOVE TO THE NEXT STAGE?
2:59:20PM >> I CAN'T SPEAK.
2:59:21PM THE CITY DOES HAVE A PURPLE PIPES PROGRAM.
2:59:23PM THAT'S ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES, AND VARIOUS STAKEHOLDERS
2:59:25PM HAVE LOBBIED THEM ON THAT, BUT THEY SAY THEY WILL LOOK AT
2:59:28PM IT, BUT THERE ARE INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS INVOLVED, WHAT NEW
2:59:32PM NEIGHBORHOODS THEY WOULD GET TO.
2:59:33PM THAT WOULD BE ON THE TABLE BUT I CAN'T SPEAK --
2:59:35PM >>BILL CARLSON: INITIAL MODELING WAS CITYWIDE AND DIDN'T
2:59:38PM INCLUDE AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD REQUIRE PEOPLE TO WATER
2:59:40PM THEIR LAWNS WITH IT.
2:59:41PM >> THAT IS OUT OF MY AREA.
2:59:43PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE RIVER WATER QUALITY THE HEAD OF
2:59:48PM SUSTAINABILITY OF THE CITY TESTIFIED A FEW MONTHS AGO THAT
2:59:51PM THE WATER QUALITY IN THE RIVER IS WORSE THAN THE WATER BEING
2:59:55PM PUSHED OUT AT SEDDON COVE, IS IT -- WHAT IS YOUR OPINION OF
3:00:01PM THE QUALITY OF THE WATER OF THE RIVER AND WHAT SHOULD WE DO
3:00:05PM ABOUT IT?
3:00:06PM >> YOU REALLY HAVE TO BE SELECTIVE.
3:00:07PM AS YOU KNOW, RIVER WATER -- LOOKS LIKE ICED TEA.

3:00:12PM IT'S GOT MORE DISSOLVED ORGANIC COLOR THAN THE WATER
3:00:17PM DISCHARGED OUT OF SEDDON CHANNEL.
3:00:19PM IT DEPENDS ON THE PARAMETER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
3:00:21PM CERTAINLY THE RIVER WATER DOES NOT HAVE MORE PHARMACEUTICALS
3:00:24PM IN IT THAN THE WASTEWATER.
3:00:26PM WHEN YOU HEAR THOSE CONVERSATIONS, YOU HAVE TO WONDER, WHICH
3:00:28PM PARAMETER ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT?
3:00:30PM AGAIN, THE RIVER WATER HAS MORE DISSOLVED ORGANIC MATTER.
3:00:33PM >>BILL CARLSON: SOME TALK ABOUT HOW PASCO PUTS THEIR TREATED
3:00:36PM WATER INTO THE AQUIFER, RIVER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, DO WE
3:00:39PM HAVE ANY REMNANTS OF THAT THAT'S COMING THROUGH OUR RIVER?
3:00:42PM >> YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK -- I TRIED TO LOOK THAT UP.
3:00:46PM IT'S A FAIRLY SMALL QUANTITY AND I'M SPEAKING OFF THE CUFF.
3:00:49PM I DON'T KNOW.
3:00:50PM IT'S BASED ON DIFFERENT FILTRATION SYSTEM.
3:00:52PM I DON'T KNOW.
3:00:52PM I DON'T KNOW.
3:00:52PM >>BILL CARLSON: LAST QUESTION, TO MEET MINIMUM FLOWS, WE
3:00:57PM COULD JUST REDUCE OUR PUMPING OUT OF THE RIVER, RIGHT?
3:01:00PM OR REDUCE OUR PUMPING OUT OF SULPHUR SPRINGS.
3:01:03PM SO IF WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT COULD WE NOT TO MEET THE STATE
3:01:08PM GUIDELINE, COULD WE NOT SELL THIS WATER TO SOMEBODY ELSE
3:01:10PM LIKE TAMPA BAY WATER OR POLK COUNTY OR SOMEONE ELSE?
3:01:13PM >> I DON'T KNOW.
3:01:16PM I THINK THE NEED FOR MINIMUM -- THE DEMANDS ON THE

3:01:18PM RESERVOIR.
3:01:20PM I DON'T THINK CUTTING BACK ON DEMANDS FROM THE RESERVOIR IS
3:01:23PM GOING TO ALLOW YOU TO MEET MINIMUM FLOWS.
3:01:25PM BUT LET ME RESTATE THAT ANOTHER WAY.
3:01:27PM IF WE DO SAY THAT MINIMUM FLOWS HAVE TO BE SUCH AND SUCH,
3:01:31PM YOU CAN RUN MODELING SCENARIOS.
3:01:33PM WE NEED THIS MUCH MINIMUM FLOW, YOU RUN A RESERVOIR MODEL.
3:01:36PM I WAS INVOLVED IN THAT 30 YEARS AGO.
3:01:38PM YOU SAY, GEE, EXACTLY HOW MUCH EFFECT WOULD THIS HAVE ON
3:01:41PM RELIABLE YIELD OF THE RESERVOIR?
3:01:43PM SO THAT CAN BE LOOKED AT.
3:01:44PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT I MEANT IS IF WE, FOR EXAMPLE, AT
3:01:49PM SULPHUR SPRINGS YOU SAID WE CAN GO DOWN FROM 12 TO 7.
3:01:52PM LET'S SAY WE REDUCE THAT PUMPING BY 5, AND WE DON'T HAVE THE
3:01:54PM FLOW ON THE RIVER TO BE ABLE TO PUMP THAT, WE COULD BUY THAT
3:01:57PM EXTRA 5 FROM TAMPA BAY WATER, RIGHT?
3:01:59PM SO THAT, BY REDUCING PUMPING, IT WOULD HELP US TO --
3:02:05PM >> I'M NOT GOING THERE ON THAT.
3:02:06PM I DON'T KNOW.
3:02:06PM THE ONE THING THAT'S IMPORTANT, I WANT YOU ALL TO REALIZE,
3:02:10PM THOUGH, THE MINIMUM FLOW WATER THAT'S PROVIDED FROM THE
3:02:13PM RESERVOIR TO THE LOWER RIVER ACTUALLY ORIGINATES FROM THE
3:02:15PM LOWER POOL OF THE TAMPA BYPASS CANAL WHICH IS NEVER USED FOR
3:02:19PM WATER SUPPLY UNTIL THE YEAR 2002.
3:02:22PM THEY PUMP WATER FROM THE LOWER POOL TO THE MIDDLE POOL, FROM

3:02:25PM THE MIDDLE POOL TO THE RESERVOIR AND RELEASE 75% OF THAT.
3:02:28PM THAT 75%.
3:02:29PM SO THE WATER IS ACTUALLY COMING FROM THE TAMPA BYPASS CANAL,
3:02:32PM AND THERE'S AMAZING CAPACITY IN THE TAMPA BYPASS CANAL, RAW
3:02:36PM WATER, TO HELP PROVIDE THE MINIMUM FLOW.
3:02:38PM IT'S REALLY SORT OF BEEN UNDERUTILIZED, RAW WATER.
3:02:44PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
3:02:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
3:02:50PM JUST A COUPLE.
3:02:52PM WHO INTRODUCED SENATE BILL 64?
3:02:54PM >> I THINK THESE WERE LEADERS.
3:02:57PM IN THE SENATE, SENATOR BEN ALBRITTON FROM THE PEACE RIVER
3:03:01PM VALLEY, AND THEN IN OUR AREA, SENATOR RANDY MAGGARD WAS VERY
3:03:08PM INVOLVED.
3:03:08PM HE'S LIKE FROM THE ZEPHYRHILLS.
3:03:10PM RANDY MAGGARD IN THE HOUSE, BEN ALBRITTON IN THE SENATE I
3:03:13PM THINK WERE VERY INVOLVED IN IT.
3:03:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WAS THERE AN ACCOMPANYING BILL WITH THAT?
3:03:18PM >> NOT THAT I KNOW OF.
3:03:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN CARLSON ASKED THIS
3:03:21PM QUESTION, BUT ARE THERE OTHER CITIES THAT USE RIVER WATER?
3:03:25PM >> YES.
3:03:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
3:03:27PM >> IN OUR REGION OF THE STATE, MANATEE COUNTY USES RIVER
3:03:31PM WATER.

3:03:31PM THE CITY OF BRADENTON USES RIVER WATER.
3:03:33PM THE PEACE RIVER MANASOTA USES RIVER WATER.
3:03:36PM THAT'S CORRECT.
3:03:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HAVE ANY OF THOSE CITIES EVER GONE OR ASKED
3:03:41PM FOR THE FLEXIBILITY IN SENATE BILL 64?
3:03:43PM >> I HAVE NOT LOOKED INTO THAT.
3:03:45PM AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEIR DISCHARGES ARE.
3:03:48PM I DON'T KNOW.
3:03:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HAVE ANY OF THEM GONE TO AMEND THE FLORIDA
3:03:52PM CODE?
3:03:53PM >> I DO NOT KNOW.
3:03:56PM I DON'T THINK SO.
3:03:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HAVE ANY OF THEM INTERACTED WITH F DEP?
3:04:00PM >> I DON'T KNOW.
3:04:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THERE'S STRENGTH IN NUMBERS.
3:04:03PM IF TAMPA JOINED FORCES WITH ALL THESE OTHER CITIES THAT
3:04:06PM COLLECT THEIR WATER FROM RIVERS, I THINK WE'D HAVE A DAMN
3:04:09PM GOOD FIGHT IN OVERCOMING ALL THIS.
3:04:13PM ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
3:04:14PM ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK?
3:04:18PM >> THANK YOU.
3:04:30PM >> I'M NANCY STEVENS.
3:04:31PM I'M THE CONSERVATION CHAIR, TAMPA BAY SIERRA CLUB.
3:04:34PM SID AND THE OTHER FINE FOLKS HERE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING OVER
3:04:39PM TWO YEARS ON THE PURE PROJECT MEETING WITH THE CITY.

3:04:41PM BEFORE THAT, WE WORKED ON TAP.
3:04:42PM I'M AN ENGINEER BY TRAINING AND HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE
3:04:47PM OUT WHY THE CITY IS DOING THIS.
3:04:48PM WHY WOULD THE CITY GO TO THE EXPENSE OF REUSING WASTEWATER
3:04:51PM AND INTRODUCING UNKNOWN RISKS TO THE HEALTH OF THE CITIZENS
3:04:55PM AND THE ENVIRONMENT?
3:04:56PM SO PREPARING FOR THIS I WENT THROUGH THE 17 QUESTIONS.
3:05:00PM IF YOU CAN SHOW THE SLIDE.
3:05:03PM AND THIS SLIDE SHOWS A TIMELINE.
3:05:06PM I STARTED -- I FEEL LIKE I'M KIND OF SLOW, BUT STARTED TO
3:05:11PM GET A CLUE.
3:05:12PM THE KEY IS THAT THIS IS A TIMELINE OF TAMPA BAY WATER REUSE
3:05:18PM TO DATE.
3:05:19PM SO WHEN THE CITY WAS ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS, THEY WEREN'T
3:05:22PM TALKING ABOUT TAMPA BAY'S WATER, THEY WERE CONSIDERING TAMPA
3:05:25PM BAY WATER REUSE.
3:05:27PM APPARENTLY REUSE PROJECTS STARTED WAY BACK IN 1984.
3:05:30PM THEY HAVE THIS SORT OF WHAT'S NEXT?
3:05:40PM IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT IS THE NEXT WATER REUSE PROJECT,
3:05:43PM SUGGESTING THAT WATER REUSE IS THE GOAL, MUST BE ANOTHER
3:05:46PM WATER REUSE PROJECT COMING.
3:05:49PM TO THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA, WATER REUSE IS NOT THE GOAL.
3:05:52PM THE GOAL IS TO HAVE SAFE RELIABLE DRINKING WATER IN TAMPA
3:05:55PM FOR GENERATIONS TO COME WHILE PROTECTION THE ENVIRONMENT.
3:05:57PM OUR GROUP HAS BEEN WORKING OVER TWO YEARS TRYING TO

3:06:03PM COMMUNICATE THIS IDEA THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR WATER, AND OUR
3:06:07PM CONCERNS WITH WATER REUSE AND THE EFFECTS ON THE COMMUNITY.
3:06:13PM YOU AND CITY COUNCIL, YOU'VE HEARD THIS THAT'S WHY YOU ASKED
3:06:16PM FOR THIS WORKSHOP, WHICH IS TO TALK ABOUT USING THE CURRENT
3:06:19PM WATER SUPPLIES AND THE WEST AND WORST-CASE SCENARIOS OF THAT
3:06:22PM AND TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ELSE WE SHOULD BE DOING, NOT FOCUSING
3:06:26PM ON WATER REUSE.
3:06:27PM FOCUSING ON WATER NEEDS.
3:06:29PM THAT'S WHY OUR GROUP WROTE DOWN THE 17 QUESTIONS.
3:06:32PM WE AS CITIZEN STAKEHOLDERS HAVE AND HAVE HEARD FROM OTHER
3:06:38PM CITIZENS, AND AGAIN TO CITIZENS WATER REUSE IS NOT A GOAL.
3:06:41PM SO THE NEXT STEPS THAT I PROPOSED IS THAT IT SHOULD INCLUDE
3:06:45PM THE BASICS TO PICK THE BEST WATER SOLUTION FOR TAMPA.
3:06:50PM NOT WATER REUSE.
3:06:52PM HOW FAR THE CURRENT WATER SOURCES IN TAMPA WILL TAKE US.
3:06:55PM HOW FAR REDUCING DEMAND FOR DRINKING WATER SUCH AS THROUGH
3:06:57PM CONSERVATION OR INCREASED RECLAIMED WATER USE LIKE YOU WERE
3:07:00PM JUST MENTIONING WILL TAKE US.
3:07:01PM AND THEN HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL WATER, IF NECESSARY, IS NEEDED
3:07:05PM AND WHEN.
3:07:05PM AND THEN YOU DO THE SOLUTIONS, HAVE A VARIETY OF SOLUTIONS,
3:07:10PM NOT ALL OF THEM INVOLVING WATER REUSE.
3:07:14PM AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PUBLIC.
3:07:19PM PART OF PURE, CITY DEVELOPED SOME GOALS OTHER THAN JUST
3:07:22PM DEVELOPING A REUSE PROJECT WHICH HAD FOR TAP.

3:07:25PM SINCE I ALREADY TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THE MINIMUM FLOWS AND
3:07:29PM SOME OF THE THINGS ABOUT SB 64 AND I'LL FOCUS MORE ON
3:07:32PM DROUGHT-PROOFING THE RESERVOIR AND MORE BROADLY MEETING
3:07:35PM TAMPA'S WATER NEEDS.
3:07:36PM THEN I'LL SUGGEST A PATH TO GETTING AWAY FROM FOCUSING ON
3:07:40PM BUILDING A WATER REUSE PROJECT, GETTING AWAY FROM TAP AND
3:07:43PM PURE, AND STARTING TO FOCUS ON THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA AND OUR
3:07:47PM WATER NEEDS.
3:07:48PM WHEN ANSWERING THE 17 QUESTIONS, THE CONSULTANTS REVIEWED
3:07:58PM THOUSANDS OF PAGES OF TAP DOCUMENTS THAT THEY HAD PRODUCED
3:08:05PM IN THE PAST EIGHT YEARS.
3:08:06PM THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO FIND COMPLETE ANSWERS BECAUSE TAP
3:08:10PM DIDN'T ASK THOSE QUESTIONS THAT WE ASKED.
3:08:12PM TAP WAS FOCUSED ON REUSING WASTEWATER, AND AS I WENT THROUGH
3:08:16PM THE DOCUMENTS, I FOUND THESE QUOTES.
3:08:19PM THESE FOLKS, THEY ARE QUOTED FROM THE DOCUMENT.
3:08:21PM THEY STARTED WITH REUSING 20 MILLION GALLONS A DAY OF
3:08:26PM RECLAIMED WATER.
3:08:26PM THAT WAS THEIR GOAL.
3:08:27PM THEY LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF ALTERNATIVES.
3:08:29PM WHEN THEY DECIDED, SETTLED ON ALTERNATIVE 2, TAP, THEN THEY
3:08:35PM FOCUSED ON FIGURING OUT HOW TO USE ALL 50 MILLION GALLONS A
3:08:38PM DAY THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FROM TAP.
3:08:41PM THE GOAL WASN'T TO USE CURRENT SOURCES OF WATER.
3:08:45PM IN FACT, IT WAS STATED THAT TAP WAS INTENDED TO OFFSET THE

3:08:48PM NEED TO PURCHASE WATER FROM TAMPA BAY WATER.
3:08:50PM SO WHEN WE ASKED WHAT IS DROUGHT-PROOFING THE RESERVOIR,
3:08:53PM THAT WAS OUR QUESTION 12 ON THE LIST, WHAT DOES
3:08:55PM DROUGHT-PROOFING THE RESERVOIR MEAN IN MEASURABLE TEAMS, HOW
3:08:58PM DOES THE CITY PROPOSE TO USE TREATED WASTEWATER FOR
3:09:01PM DROUGHT-PROOFING THE RESERVOIR, IT WAS MEANT TO GET AT HOW
3:09:03PM MUCH WATER IS NEEDED AND WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS.
3:09:06PM FOR EXAMPLE, I CONTINUOUSLY GET QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY WE CAN'T
3:09:09PM USE THE RECLAIMED WATER FOR WATERING LAWNS AND KEEP IT OUT
3:09:12PM OF OUR DRINKING WATER.
3:09:15PM THE RESPONSE, THE REPORT, THE ANSWER TO THE 17 QUESTIONS,
3:09:19PM ANSWER TO QUESTION 12 WAS A NUMBER FROM THE TAP STUDY.
3:09:22PM 34.4 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, WHICH IS NOT VALID FOR MANY
3:09:29PM REASONS.
3:09:30PM BASICALLY, THE MODELS JUST NEED TO BE RERUN WITH DIFFERENT
3:09:34PM ASSUMPTIONS, UPDATING ASSUMPTIONS INCLUDING USING TAMPA BAY
3:09:37PM WATER SOURCES AS PART OF THE SOLUTION.
3:09:40PM CONSERVATION TO REDUCE THE DEMAND AND STARTING WITH WATER
3:09:44PM NEEDS, NOT HOW TO USE 50 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
3:09:48PM AND NOTE THAT THIS WAS A 50 MILLION GALLON A DAY GOAL IN
3:09:53PM 2016-17, WELL BEFORE SB 64.
3:09:57PM THE GOALS DON'T ALIGN BUT GOALS OF TAP IS THE BASIS FOR
3:10:04PM PURE.
3:10:04PM THERE NEEDS TO BE A RESTART SO WE CAN DEVELOP A COMMON GOAL.
3:10:09PM TO ILLUSTRATE THE EXTENT OF THE DISCONNECT BETWEEN TAP GOALS

3:10:19PM AND CITIZEN GOALS, I WANT TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO A STUDY
3:10:22PM THE CITY STAFF ASKED TAMPA BAY WATER TO DO.
3:10:26PM DESPITE CITIZENS' OBJECTION TO TAP AND PURE IN 2021, THE
3:10:30PM CITY CONTINUED TO PURSUE PURE -- 3, THE ONE SIMILAR TO
3:10:37PM TAMPA.
3:10:38PM IN THE STUDY THEY ASKED FOR WAS, IF TAMPA PRODUCES 50
3:10:43PM MILLION GALLONS A DAY -- THE ANSWER WAS YES.
3:10:46PM TAMPA BAY WATER COULD USE EXTRA WATER.
3:10:48PM IT'S QUITE A VERY DETAILED REPORT.
3:10:50PM A LOT OF DETAILS IN IT.
3:10:51PM BASICALLY, THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.
3:10:53PM BUT THIS STUDY WAS NOT SENDING THE WASTEWATER TO TAMPA BAY
3:10:58PM WATER.
3:10:59PM NO.
3:11:00PM IN THIS STUDY, TAMPA'S CITIZENS WOULD PAY THREE, FOUR, FIVE
3:11:05PM MILLION, WHATEVER TO REUSE THE 50 MILLION GALLONS A DAY OF
3:11:10PM WASTEWATER.
3:11:11PM TAMPA CITIZENS WOULD DRINK THE RECLAIMED WASTEWATER WHILE
3:11:15PM THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER WATER WOULD GO TO TAMPA BAY WATER.
3:11:20PM I HOPE THIS PLAN WAS NEVER SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED.
3:11:24PM BUT AS I SAID, THERE ARE A LOT OF RESOURCES PUT INTO THAT
3:11:26PM MODELING.
3:11:27PM IT WAS A VERY DETAILED MODEL.
3:11:28PM I WOULD HOPE THE CITY WOULD WORK WITH TAMPA BAY WATER TO DO
3:11:32PM THAT KIND OF LEVEL OF DETAILED EXCELLENT MODELING USING OUR

3:11:37PM CURRENT WATER SOURCES AND UNDERSTAND WHAT TAMPA CAN
3:11:40PM CURRENTLY DO WITH OUR CURRENT WATER SOURCES.
3:11:42PM THERE HAVE BEEN MANY DISCONNECTS WITH THE PUBLIC ON TAP AND
3:11:51PM PURE.
3:11:52PM A MAJOR ONE BEING LACK OF TRANSPARENCY.
3:11:54PM THERE IS A LOT OF MONEY SPENT ON TAP AND I BROUGHT THIS HERE
3:11:58PM JUST TO SHOW YOU, A LOT OF CONSULTANT WORK, A LOT OF
3:12:01PM DOCUMENTS WERE PRODUCED.
3:12:02PM THIS IS NOT ALL OF THEM.
3:12:03PM I DIDN'T PRINT THEM ALL OUT.
3:12:05PM ANSWER THE 17 QUESTIONS THEY REFER TO MANY TAP DOCUMENTS.
3:12:09PM THESE ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE TO CITIZENS ON THE WEBSITE.
3:12:13PM THEY NEED TO BE AVAILABLE TO CITIZENS ON THE WEBSITE.
3:12:16PM THERE'S -- THE STUDIES THAT WERE REFERENCED HERE, THE STUDY
3:12:20PM ON CONTAMINANTS THAT HAS NEVER BEEN AVAILABLE TO CITIZENS ON
3:12:23PM THE WEBSITE FROM DECEMBER OF -- OCTOBER OF 2020.
3:12:26PM I MAY HAVE THE NAMES OF MANY OF THEM.
3:12:31PM THEY WERE ON THE WEBSITE AND I GOT A LOT OF THEM BEFORE THEY
3:12:34PM CAME OFF THE WEBSITE.
3:12:36PM SO THAT'S MY REQUEST HERE.
3:12:41PM TRANSPARENCY AND ACCESS TO THE DOCUMENTS FOR THE CITIZENRY
3:12:43PM SO PEOPLE ARE MORE AWARE AND THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING
3:12:46PM ON.
3:12:46PM FINALLY, A PROPOSAL.
3:12:50PM I THINK WE NEED A RESTART.

3:12:52PM WE NEED TO START AT THE BEGINNING AND WE NEED FULL
3:12:56PM TRANSPARENCY.
3:12:58PM THIS PICTURE HERE COMES FROM TAMPA BAY WATER.
3:13:01PM THIS IS THEIR PLANNING PROCESS FOR PLANNING FOR FUTURE WATER
3:13:05PM PROJECTS.
3:13:05PM AND THEY START BY LOOKING AT WHEN TO BUILD AND HOW DO THEY
3:13:10PM -- WHEN THEY LOOK AT DEMANDS, THEY LOOK AT HOW THEY COULD
3:13:14PM MITIGATE DEMANDS BY CONSERVATION.
3:13:16PM THEY LOOK IF THEY CAN STORE WATER, OTHER THINGS TO FIGURE
3:13:20PM OUT HOW MUCH WATER THEY NEED.
3:13:21PM AND THEN THEY FIGURE OUT WHAT TO BUILD.
3:13:24PM THEY HAVE A WIDE VARIETY OF PROJECTS PROPOSED.
3:13:27PM THEY START OUT WITH HUNDREDS, AND THEY NARROW IT DOWN.
3:13:31PM PIPING WATER FROM ICEBERGS I THINK WAS ONE OF THE EXAMPLES
3:13:34PM THEY SAID.
3:13:35PM BUT THEY NARROW IT DOWN AND NARROW IT DOWN, AND THEN THEY
3:13:40PM WIND UP WITH MAYBE FIVE PROJECTS AT THE END THAT THEY START
3:13:42PM TO SERIOUSLY LOOK AT.
3:13:44PM AND THEY HAVE PUBLIC INPUT ALONG THE WAY.
3:13:47PM SO I SUGGEST THAT TAMPA NEEDS THIS PROCESS.
3:13:50PM WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT TAMPA'S WATER NEEDS.
3:13:53PM WE DON'T NEED TO BE STARTING AT ASSUMING WE NEED TO DO A
3:13:58PM WATER REUSE PROJECT WHEN WE DON'T NEED ONE.
3:14:00PM THOSE ARE ALL MY COMMENTS.
3:14:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.

3:14:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT
3:14:08PM PRESENTATION AND FOR SOME CLARITY, BECAUSE IT ANSWERED SOME
3:14:11PM OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD.
3:14:15PM THE THING IS MANY THINGS, FIRST, NOBODY WANTS THIS.
3:14:17PM WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A HIGHLY TREATED WASTEWATER PUT INTO OUR
3:14:23PM DRINKING SUPPLY, I MEAN, I'VE SEEN YOU OUT IN THE PUBLIC
3:14:26PM THESE LAST FEW WEEKS.
3:14:29PM HAVE YOU HEARD ANYBODY SAY WE NEED TO DO THIS, NUMBER ONE?
3:14:32PM NUMBER TWO, YOU HAD A LINE THERE THAT SAID AND TAMPA
3:14:35PM TAXPAYERS, OR WHATEVER THE LINE WAS, WILL BE PAYING FOR THIS
3:14:37PM IN FULL.
3:14:38PM WHATEVER THE PRICE TAG IS, IT COULD SEE BE 300 MILLION, IT
3:14:42PM COULD BE 3 BILLION, IT COULD BE SIX, WHATEVER IT IS.
3:14:44PM THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
3:14:46PM MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY?
3:14:50PM WHEN WE'RE INVESTING OR ASKING THE PUBLIC, THE TAXPAYERS TO
3:14:55PM SPEND THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY, WHEN WE HAVE SO MANY PRESSING
3:14:58PM NEEDS.
3:14:58PM WE TALK ABOUT HOUSING.
3:14:59PM WE TALK ABOUT TRANSPORTATION.
3:15:00PM WE TALK ABOUT PAVING LOADS.
3:15:02PM THERE'S NEVER ENOUGH MONEY FOR ALL THAT STUFF THAT THE
3:15:05PM PEOPLE HAVE COME HERE FOR, BUT WITH THIS, OUR HANDS ARE
3:15:08PM TIED, WE HAVE TO DO THIS, YET NOBODY WANTS IT.
3:15:11PM NOBODY IN THE PUBLIC -- I HAVEN'T MET ANYBODY YET PUBLICLY

3:15:15PM THAT HAS SAID YOU'RE MAKING A MISTAKE WITH THIS AND YOU'RE
3:15:18PM NOT THINKING ABOUT THIS PROPERLY AND THERE'S A LOT OF
3:15:21PM MISINFORMATION.
3:15:22PM WE NEED THIS.
3:15:23PM AND I'VE TALKED TO EXPERTS, NOT JUST THE PROFESSIONALS THAT
3:15:25PM HAVE COME HERE, BUT PEOPLE OUTSIDE.
3:15:29PM NOBODY HAS SAID TO ME, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO RECONSIDER
3:15:32PM THIS.
3:15:32PM TRUST ME, I KNOW THIS.
3:15:34PM MY BACKGROUND IS WHATEVER IN REGARDS TO THIS.
3:15:38PM THIS IS VERY INTERESTING.
3:15:43PM WE APPROVED PIPES WHICH IS IN THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
3:15:45PM NECESSARY AND PEOPLE SAID OKAY.
3:15:48PM IT'S GOING TO GO TO SOMETHING TANGIBLE THAT IS NEEDED.
3:15:52PM WE APPROVED STORMWATER PROJECTS BACK IN 2016.
3:15:56PM HEY, LET'S FIX THE FLOODING IN OUR STATE.
3:15:58PM I HAD PEOPLE, AND THAT WAS EXPENSIVE.
3:16:00PM THE $251 MILLION, I REMEMBER ONE PROPERTY OWNER, GUY OWNS A
3:16:04PM LOT OF REAL ESTATE, PLEASE DO SOMETHING.
3:16:06PM I GO, WE'RE GOING TO BE RAISING YOUR TAXES IN THE FORM OF
3:16:09PM FEES, USER FEES.
3:16:11PM YOU'RE GOING TO BE PAYING MORE MONEY, PLEASE DO SOMETHING.
3:16:14PM THIS IS NOT MANAGEABLE.
3:16:15PM EVEN IN THOSE SCENARIOS, THERE WAS THE POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE
3:16:20PM AND PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES.

3:16:22PM WITH THIS, AGAIN, I HAVEN'T MET ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WITH
3:16:25PM THE PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND THAT UNDERSTANDS HOW TO REUSE
3:16:28PM THIS WATER OR ANYBODY IN GENERAL THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT,
3:16:32PM THIS IS A GOOD THING FOR OUR CITY, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE
3:16:34PM TOUGH DECISIONS.
3:16:35PM NOBODY HAS.
3:16:36PM THERE'S A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.
3:16:38PM THERE'S A LOT OF SUSPICION BECAUSE WHAT'S BEHIND ON THIS?
3:16:43PM BEHIND ALL OF THIS?
3:16:44PM WHY IS THIS SO NECESSARY THAT WE HAVE TO DO THIS NOW?
3:16:46PM DO WE HAVE A SITUATION NOW?
3:16:48PM WE WANT TO DROUGHT-PROOF FOR -- BUT DO WE ABSOLUTELY NEED
3:16:51PM THIS?
3:16:52PM WE TALK ABOUT MINIMUM FLOWS.
3:16:53PM WE TALK ABOUT THE DAM.
3:16:54PM SO MANY THINGS, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS SUCH AN EXPENSIVE PROJECT
3:16:59PM WITH SO MUCH DOUBT, AND THAT'S WHAT I STRUGGLE.
3:17:03PM AND DOUBT FROM THE PROFESSIONALS.
3:17:05PM NOT DOUBT, DOESN'T SOUND GOOD.
3:17:09PM FROM THE PROFESSIONALS.
3:17:10PM THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND FOR ANSWERING A LOT OF MY
3:17:13PM QUESTIONS HERE.
3:17:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:17:15PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, I'VE HEARD ENOUGH OF THIS
3:17:19PM TOILET TO TAP PURE PROJECT.

3:17:20PM I ASKED YOU I THINK A WEEK AGO ABOUT THE PROJECT.
3:17:23PM I ASKED YOU HOW DOES THIS COUNCIL PUT AN END TO THIS AND BE
3:17:26PM DONE WITH THIS AND MOVE ON?
3:17:29PM CAN YOU ANSWER THAT FOR ME, SIR?
3:17:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M NOT PREPARED TO GIVE YOU A SPECIFIC
3:17:33PM ANSWER, BUT THERE MUST BE AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION THAT
3:17:35PM WOULD GIVE US SOME SORT OF FINALITY.
3:17:38PM IF YOU'D LIKE, I'D COME BACK AT NEXT WEEK'S MEETING.
3:17:42PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MAKE A MOTION THAT YOU COME BACK WITH SOME
3:17:46PM TYPE OF MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING OF HOW WE CAN END THIS
3:17:49PM AND WE CAN MOVE ON.
3:17:51PM I THINK THE PUBLIC DOES NOT WANT THIS.
3:17:54PM THE PUBLIC DOES NOT WANT THIS.
3:17:56PM IT IS CLEAR THEY DO NOT WANT THIS.
3:17:59PM WE NEED TO HAVE YOU AS OUR LEGAL PERSON TELL US WHAT WE CAN
3:18:03PM DO AS A COUNCIL TO YOU END THIS AND MOVE ON.
3:18:07PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I HEARD A SECOND.
3:18:09PM IS THAT A MOTION?
3:18:11PM FOR NEXT WEEK.
3:18:12PM I APOLOGIZE FOR THE ONE-WEEK MOTION, BUT THERE IS A REGULAR
3:18:14PM MEETING NEXT WEEK AND THIS IS A MATTER OF INTEREST TO THE
3:18:17PM COUNCIL AND THERE WAS A SECOND, MR. CHAIRMAN.
3:18:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THERE WAS A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:18:26PM SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:18:28PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

3:18:29PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:18:31PM >>LUIS VIERA: I'M GLAD TO SUPPORT THIS.
3:18:34PM IT'S FUNNY.
3:18:35PM MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN WE DEALT WITH THE ISSUE MAYBE THREE
3:18:38PM MONTHS AGO THAT THAT DID OCCUR.
3:18:40PM IF THERE IS SOME LINGERING RESIDUAL EFFECTS OF IT, YEAH,
3:18:44PM SURE, THAT'S FINE.
3:18:46PM I'M GLAD TO SUPPORT THIS.
3:18:47PM THERE YOU GO.
3:18:49PM >> I'LL GO BACK TO MY FIRST SLIDE.
3:18:51PM I FEEL LIKE THIS IS WHERE THE CITY IS LOOKING AT THE
3:18:53PM PICTURE.
3:18:54PM THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.
3:18:56PM SOMETHING TO DO WITH RECLAIMED WATER.
3:18:58PM LOOKING AT THAT SLIDE, IT'S ALL RECLAIMED WATER AND THEY
3:19:01PM WANT TO DO MORE RECLAIMED WATER.
3:19:03PM MY CONTENTION IS, WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT TAMPA'S WATER
3:19:06PM NEEDS, NOT HOW TO USE RECLAIMED WATER.
3:19:09PM THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION.
3:19:10PM I DON'T THINK IT'S A GIVEN THAT WE HAVE TO USE RECLAIMED
3:19:13PM WATER.
3:19:14PM I'M NOT SAYING IT ISN'T, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE.
3:19:17PM THAT SHOULDN'T BE WHERE YOU START.
3:19:20PM SHOULD START WITH WHAT YOU NEED.
3:19:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY.

3:19:24PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, I BELIEVE, AND FORGIVE ME FOR
3:19:28PM NOT BEING AS WELL VERSED TO THE CITY COUNCIL, THAT HAVE BEEN
3:19:32PM BRIEFED BY MANY PARTIES OVER THE SUBJECT MATTER, SO FORGIVE
3:19:36PM ME.
3:19:36PM I NEED TO GET UP TO SPEED.
3:19:37PM BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE CAME A POINT IN TIME WHEN I
3:19:41PM GUESS AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONTRACT WITH PCL CAME UP TO CITY
3:19:46PM COUNCIL AND COUNCIL ASKED THAT THAT MONEY BE DIVERTED.
3:19:52PM I BELIEVE THIS WAS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S MOTION.
3:19:56PM SO THERE IS AN EXISTING CONTRACT OUT THERE, EXISTING
3:19:59PM CONTRACTOR THAT HAS BEEN AWARDED.
3:20:00PM WHAT ROLE THAT PLAYS WILL SOMEHOW FACTOR INTO THIS I'M SURE.
3:20:05PM BUT I GUESS BY EVEN HAVING THIS MOTION TODAY, IT SORT OF
3:20:12PM PERPETUATED THE PROCESS GOING FORTH AND FROM WHAT I
3:20:15PM UNDERSTAND AND I'M AWARE OF IS THAT THE MAYOR SUBSEQUENT TO
3:20:21PM THAT DISCUSSION HAD PUT FORTH A VIDEO MADE AVAILABLE TO THE
3:20:27PM PUBLIC DISCUSSING THIS VERY PROJECT AND PERPETUATING IT.
3:20:31PM OBVIOUSLY, THERE IS A DISCONNECT BETWEEN PERHAPS THE
3:20:35PM ADMINISTRATION'S POSITION AND THE COUNCIL'S POSITION THAT
3:20:37PM NEEDS TO BE RECTIFIED SOMEHOW TO BE ABLE TO BRING THIS
3:20:41PM MATTER TO A CLOSE.
3:20:42PM THAT'S THE DIRECTION I'M HEARING FROM COUNCIL ON THE BASIS
3:20:45PM OF THE MOTION, AM I CORRECT?
3:20:46PM THANK YOU.
3:20:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

3:20:52PM ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS IN ANY FURTHER COMMENTS?
3:21:04PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS, MR. CHAIRMAN?
3:21:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ROLL CALL VOTE.
3:21:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
3:21:14PM >> MIRANDA?
3:21:15PM HURTAK?
3:21:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
3:21:16PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
3:21:17PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
3:21:18PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
3:21:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
3:21:21PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION PASSED WITH MIRANDA BEING ABSENT.
3:21:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:21:27PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST A FEW QUICK COMMENTS ON WHAT'S BEEN
3:21:32PM PRESENTED AND RESPOND TO MS. STEVENS.
3:21:35PM NUMBER ONE, IF YOU LOOK AT ITEM NUMBER 11, I DON'T SEE THAT
3:21:40PM IT SAYS PURE ON HERE AND IT DOESN'T SAY WATER REUSE OR
3:21:43PM WHATEVER THE LANGUAGE WAS THAT WE USED TO REPLACE PURE.
3:21:46PM CITY COUNCIL TWICE, TWO OR THREE TIMES HAS VOTED I THINK
3:21:53PM UNANIMOUSLY TO REQUIRE THE STAFF TO PUT THOSE KEYWORDS IN AN
3:21:57PM AGENDA ITEM SO THE PUBLIC CAN IDENTIFY IT AND IT'S NOT
3:22:00PM THERE.
3:22:01PM THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
3:22:03PM NUMBER TWO, THE STAFF ASSURED US -- WE'VE KILLED THIS
3:22:07PM PROJECT THREE TIMES, JUST THIS COUNCIL.

3:22:09PM THE PRIOR COUNCIL I THINK KILLED IT TWO OR THREE TIMES ALSO.
3:22:12PM WE'VE KILLED THIS THREE TIMES.
3:22:15PM THE LAST TIME THEY SAID THAT PURE WAS DEAD.
3:22:18PM THE STAFF CAME OUT AND SAID PURE IS DEAD.
3:22:21PM WE'RE NOT GOING TO BRING UP PURE.
3:22:22PM PURE IS NOT HAPPENING.
3:22:23PM AS MARTY SAID, THE MAYOR SUDDENLY OUT OF THE BLUE POSTED A
3:22:28PM VIDEO ABOUT PURE, SENT A THREE-PAGE MEMO TO ALL THE CITY
3:22:31PM COUNCIL CANDIDATES, AND SENT OUT A PRESS RELEASE ABOUT PURE.
3:22:34PM IT'S VERY CONFUSING BECAUSE THE STAFF WHO REPORT TO THE
3:22:37PM MAYOR SAY THE PROJECT IS DEAD BUT THE MAYOR HERSELF SAYS IT
3:22:40PM IS NOT.
3:22:41PM SO THERE'S CONFUSION THERE.
3:22:44PM THERE'S A LOT OF ANGST IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THAT.
3:22:46PM A LOT OF CONFUSION.
3:22:48PM NUMBER 3, COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO MENTIONED HOW THE MONEY
3:22:53PM COULD BE USED ON SOMETHING ELSE.
3:22:55PM BEFORE A STAFF MEMBER COMES IN AND SAY, IT'S ENTERPRISE
3:22:58PM MONEY, CAN'T USE -- THE PUBLIC DOESN'T WANT TO PAY MORE FEES
3:23:06PM OR TAXES.
3:23:07PM IF THEY HAVE TO PAY SOMETHING AND THEY CHOOSE BETWEEN
3:23:11PM INCREASED WATER RATE TO PAY FOR DRINKING POTTY WATER OR
3:23:14PM INCREASE IN SOMETHING ELSE TO PAY FOR POLICE AND FIRE, THEY
3:23:19PM WOULD RATHER PAY FOR THE SOMETHING ELSE.
3:23:22PM THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR THIS.

3:23:24PM THERE ARE DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES.
3:23:25PM LIMITED, BUT DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES ACCESS TO.
3:23:28PM I DON'T THINK MY COLLEAGUE WAS SAYING LITERALLY WE WOULD
3:23:30PM TAKE OUT OF THIS ENTERPRISE FUND AND PAY FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
3:23:34PM BUT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT THE PUBLIC CAN'T STAND
3:23:38PM HAVING MORE AND MORE RATE INCREASES ALL THE TIME.
3:23:43PM THE NEXT THING, THIS IS AN EXPERIMENTAL TECHNOLOGY.
3:23:47PM I VOTED AGAINST IT, BUT IT IS AN EXPERIMENTAL TECHNOLOGY.
3:23:50PM I DON'T KNOW WHY THE STAFF IS SO BOUND AND DETERMINED TO USE
3:23:54PM EXPERIMENTAL TECHNOLOGY.
3:23:55PM WE'RE BETA TESTING IT.
3:23:56PM THAT'S GREAT.
3:23:57PM MAYBE WE CAN USE IT TO CLEAN THE RIVER SO IT WILL FLOW
3:24:00PM BETTER INTO THE BAY.
3:24:02PM WITHOUT DESCRIBING ANY OF THE BENEFITS OF IT, UNTIL A LITTLE
3:24:04PM BIT RECENTLY, THEY'VE BEEN BOUND AND DETERMINED TO PUSH THIS
3:24:07PM NEW EXPERIMENTAL TECHNOLOGY FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
3:24:09PM IT'S WRITTEN INTO THE CONTRACT.
3:24:11PM AND WHEN PRESENTED WITH AN ALTERNATIVE THAT NINE OUT OF TEN
3:24:14PM CITIES USE, THEY COME WITH EVERY EXCUSE WHY THEY DON'T WANT
3:24:16PM TO LOOK AT IT, THAT JUST IS VERY DISTURBING TO A LOT OF
3:24:20PM PEOPLE.
3:24:20PM WE'VE ASKED THEM SEVERAL TIMES TO START OVER, WE KILLED IT
3:24:25PM THE FIRST TIME FOUR YEARS AGO, THEY STARTED OVER WITH AN
3:24:29PM ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS.

3:24:30PM BUT THE ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS USED MODELING THAT WAS
3:24:33PM COMPLETELY BIASED.
3:24:34PM I MENTIONED THE PURPLE PIPES.
3:24:35PM THEY LOOKED AT THE WHOLE CITY.
3:24:37PM THEY DIDN'T PUT IN AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD REQUIRE TO USE
3:24:39PM THAT TO WATER YOUR LAWNS.
3:24:41PM SO MANY PROBLEMS WITH IT.
3:24:43PM SO THE PRICES WERE SKEWED AND THE MAIN DETERMINATION THEY
3:24:46PM USED IS PRICED TO REJECT IT.
3:24:49PM THE WHOLE THING LOOKED BIAS.
3:24:50PM WHATEVER WE DO, WE NEED TO START OVER.
3:24:52PM WE NEED TO HAVE AN HONEST APPROACH.
3:24:54PM WE NEED TO LOOK AT -- STAFF SAID TWO WEEKS AGO, WE DON'T
3:24:57PM WANT TO TRY TO LOBBY THE STATE TO CHANGE THIS OR MODIFY IT
3:25:00PM IN ANY WAY.
3:25:01PM THAT'S NOT AN HONEST APPROACH.
3:25:04PM ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES WOULD BE TO CHANGE THIS.
3:25:07PM WHY PUT THE BURDEN IN HERE.
3:25:08PM I PRESENTED EVERYBODY TO THE CITY, WHY WOULDN'T WE SELL THIS
3:25:11PM TO SOMEBODY ELSE?
3:25:12PM WE COULD MAKE A PROFIT THE NEXT 30 YEARS BECAUSE WE DON'T
3:25:14PM NEED THIS WATER AND WHOEVER WE SELL IT TO, WE COULD SAY WE
3:25:18PM HAVE THE FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL TO BUY TREATED WATER BACK.
3:25:22PM 50 MGD, WE COULD PROTECT THE CITY'S SUPPLY THE NEXT HUNDRED
3:25:25PM YEARS BUT NOT PUT DEBT ON THE CITY, TAXPAYERS, NOT HAVE TO

3:25:28PM INCREASE RATES, WHY WOULDN'T WE DO THAT?
3:25:30PM BECAUSE SOMEBODY IN THE CITY JUST WANTS TO BUILD SOMETHING.
3:25:33PM THEY JUST WANT TO BUILD IT, BOND IT OUT.
3:25:35PM I DON'T KNOW WHY.
3:25:36PM NOBODY KNOWS WHY, BUT THEY JUST WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING, AND
3:25:39PM IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
3:25:40PM FINANCIALLY, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AT ALL.
3:25:42PM THANK YOU.
3:25:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY.
3:25:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, FORGIVE
3:25:49PM ME, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT I'M NOT FAMILIAR
3:25:55PM WITH.
3:25:56PM I DON'T KNOW WHO IT WAS, I SUSPECT THE ADMINISTRATION OR
3:25:58PM MAYBE YOU KNOW, PUT FORWARD YOU SAID A THREE-PAGE STATEMENT
3:26:02PM REGARDING THIS?
3:26:05PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE MAYOR SENT A THREE-PAGE MEMO TO EVERY
3:26:08PM CITY COUNCIL CANDIDATE TO TRY TO EDUCATE THEM ON WHY PURE IS
3:26:11PM A GOOD IDEA.
3:26:12PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SOMETHING ELSE YOU SAID THAT WAS DONE.
3:26:15PM >>BILL CARLSON: A VIDEO AND PRESS RELEASE.
3:26:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND A PRESS RELEASE.
3:26:20PM I HAVE NOT SEEN THE CANDIDATE COMMENTS, TO THE CANDIDATES, I
3:26:24PM HAVE NOT SEEN THE PRESS RELEASE.
3:26:26PM I WOULD NEED TO SEE THAT.
3:26:27PM I HAVE NOT SCRUTINIZED THE PCL CONTRACT WITH REGARD TO HOW

3:26:31PM THAT PLAYS INTO IT.
3:26:33PM I WOULD NEED TO DO THAT AS WELL.
3:26:34PM I'LL ASK FOR SUPPORT FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO BRING ME
3:26:37PM UP TO SPEED ON THIS.
3:26:38PM I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO OBTAIN THAT WHICH YOU HAVE SEEN
3:26:40PM THAT I HAVEN'T HAD THE BENEFIT OF JUST TO GIVE ME GREATER
3:26:43PM CONTEXT TO REALIZE WHAT THE ISSUES ARE.
3:26:45PM I'M GOING TO WORK WITH THE ADMINISTRATION TO BE ABLE TO GET
3:26:47PM THAT INFORMATION, UNLESS COUNCIL HAS IT AVAILABLE FOR ME.
3:26:50PM I'LL GET IT FROM THE ADMINISTRATION.
3:26:53PM OKAY.
3:26:54PM THANK YOU.
3:26:58PM >> MY TURN?
3:26:59PM GARY GIBBONS.
3:27:01PM VICE-CHAIR OF THE TAMPA BAY SIERRA CLUB.
3:27:04PM I'LL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:27:09PM WE'VE DONE LOTS OF OUTREACH TO THE PUBLIC.
3:27:13PM WE'VE MET WITH NEIGHBORHOODS.
3:27:15PM WE'VE DONE PROGRAMS WITH SIERRA CLUB ABOUT THE PURE PROJECT.
3:27:19PM WE HAVEN'T FOUND A SINGLE PERSON WHO'S IN FAVOR OF IT WHO IS
3:27:23PM NOT RECEIVING A PAYCHECK FROM THE CITY OR HAS A CONTRACT
3:27:27PM WITH THE CITY.
3:27:28PM SO IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY.
3:27:32PM IT'S WHAT I CALL THE WATER INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.
3:27:35PM NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THEM.

3:27:38PM MY QUESTION, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE CONTRACT, THAT'S WHAT I'M
3:27:45PM HERE TO TALK ABOUT.
3:27:45PM THIS RELATES TO CITY CONTRACT NUMBER 21-00044 WITH PCL
3:27:54PM CONSTRUCTION INC. ENTITLED, PURIFY, USABLE RESOURCES FOR THE
3:27:59PM ENVIRONMENT, PURE DESIGN-BUILD.
3:28:03PM I'M GOING TO REFER TO THAT AS THE PURE DESIGN-BUILD CONTRACT
3:28:08PM IN MY COMMENTS.
3:28:11PM >>BILL CARLSON: COULD I ASK YOU TO JUST GIVE YOUR
3:28:13PM PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE REAL FAST SO THE PUBLIC WILL KNOW
3:28:16PM AND YOUR NAME?
3:28:18PM >> I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE FLORIDA BAR SINCE 1979.
3:28:23PM I'M MOSTLY RETIRED EXCEPT FOR WORKING ON PURE THESE DAYS
3:28:27PM BECAUSE I HAVE GRANDCHILDREN THAT LIVE HERE.
3:28:29PM I DON'T WANT THEM DRINKING THIS WATER.
3:28:33PM UNDER THE PURE DESIGN-BUILD CONTRACT, PCL CONSTRUCTION WAS
3:28:40PM TASKED WITH PERFORMING VARIOUS SERVICES, INCLUDING, QUOTE,
3:28:43PM PROJECT MANAGEMENT, ALTERNATIVE SELECTION, STAKEHOLDER
3:28:48PM ENGAGEMENT, PUBLIC OUTREACH, REGULATORY COORDINATION, AND
3:28:54PM ENHANCED SOURCE CONTROL PROGRAM IMPLEMENTATION, CONCEPTUAL
3:28:59PM DESIGN DEVELOPMENT, AND DELIVERY OF PRELIMINARY DESIGN
3:29:04PM REPORT.
3:29:04PM WITH REGARD TO THE ALTERNATIVE SELECTION, PCL WAS TO, QUOTE,
3:29:09PM EVOLVE THE EVALUATION OF ALTERNATIVE COMBINATIONS WITH THE
3:29:13PM GOAL TO THE CITY TO SELECT THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE TO
3:29:19PM ADVANCE FUTURE PHASES OF THIS OVERALL PROJECT.

3:29:21PM IS THE PROBLEM IS, THE ONLY ALTERNATIVES WHICH ARE LISTED IN
3:29:26PM THE CONTRACT ARE, FIRST OF ALL, COMBINATION TWO, BENEFICIAL
3:29:32PM DISCHARGE THAT WILL LOWER HILLSBOROUGH RIVER TO MEET MINIMUM
3:29:35PM FLOWS FROM THE HOWARD F. CURREN ADVANCED WASTEWATER
3:29:38PM TREATMENT PLANT.
3:29:39PM NUMBER TWO, COMBINATION THREE, WHICH IS PUTTING IT IN THE
3:29:44PM AQUIFER, AQUIFER RECHARGE AND RECOVERY AND DISCHARGE INTO
3:29:47PM THE RESERVOIR ABOVE THE DAM.
3:29:50PM AND THE THIRD ONE IS DIRECT POTABLE USE, REUSE.
3:29:56PM SO MAKING US DRINK IT.
3:29:58PM THAT'S THE ONLY ALTERNATIVES THAT THEY WANTED TO STUDY UNDER
3:30:02PM THIS CONTRACT.
3:30:03PM THAT'S CONTRARY TO WHAT WE SAID WHEN WE CAME TO CITY COUNCIL
3:30:06PM AND COMPLAINED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
3:30:09PM UNDER RESOLUTION NUMBER 2022-126, COUNCIL APPROPRIATED
3:30:16PM $1,134,393 ON FEBRUARY 3rd, 2022, FOR WORK TO BEGIN UNDER
3:30:26PM THE CONTRACT.
3:30:26PM THE WORK WAS REQUIRED TO BE COMPLETED WITHIN 240 DAYS, 8
3:30:33PM MONTHS, AFTER ISSUANCE OF A NOTICE TO PROCEED.
3:30:37PM SO HERE WE ARE MORE THAN A YEAR LATER, AND WE DON'T KNOW
3:30:41PM WHAT'S HAPPENED UNDER THAT CONTRACT, WHICH RAISES A LOT OF
3:30:44PM QUESTIONS.
3:30:45PM SO MY FIRST QUESTION IS, WHAT DATE WAS THE NOTICE TO PROCEED
3:30:51PM AND WAS THE WORK COMPLETED IN EIGHT MONTHS?
3:30:53PM THE ADMINISTRATION KEEPS SAYING THERE IS NO PURE PROJECT.

3:30:57PM SO MY SECOND QUESTION IS, WHAT'S THE LEGAL STATUS OF THE
3:31:02PM PURE DESIGN-BUILD CONTRACT BETWEEN THE CITY AND PCL
3:31:06PM CONSTRUCTION INC.?
3:31:07PM IS IT STILL IN FORCE OR HAS IT BEEN COMPLETED OR HAS IT BEEN
3:31:12PM SUSPENDED, CANCELED, OR ABANDONED?
3:31:14PM BECAUSE UNDER THE CONTRACT, THE CITY HAS THE UNILATERAL
3:31:18PM RIGHT TO SUSPEND, CANCEL, OR ABANDON THE PROJECT.
3:31:21PM SO ANOTHER QUESTION, HAS THE CITY SUSPENDED, CANCELED, OR
3:31:26PM ABANDONED THE PROJECT?
3:31:27PM IF SO, WAS THAT CANCELLATION DONE IN WRITING AND WHEN?
3:31:30PM WAS PCL CONSTRUCTION PAID FOR ITS SERVICES AND REIMBURSABLE
3:31:36PM EXPENSES UP TO THE STATE OF SUSPENSION, CANCELLATION OR
3:31:38PM ABANDONMENT?
3:31:39PM OR HAS PCL BEEN TOLD TO STAND DOWN AND STAND BY?
3:31:42PM IS HAS PURE DESIGN-BUILD CONTRACT BEEN AMENDED OR MODIFIED
3:31:48PM SINCE FEBRUARY 3rd, 2022?
3:31:51PM IF SO, HOW AND WHEN?
3:31:52PM AND COULD WE GET A COPY OF THAT?
3:31:54PM WHAT WORK HAS BEEN COMPLETED?
3:31:59PM HOW MANY INVOICES HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED BY PCL AND HOW MUCH
3:32:01PM MONEY HAS BEEN PAID OUT BY THE CITY UNDER THE PURE CONTRACT?
3:32:05PM AND EXACTLY WHAT WORK HAS BEEN PERFORMED?
3:32:08PM ARE THERE ANY DOCUMENTS OR RECORDS THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED BY
3:32:12PM PCL CONSTRUCTION UNDER THE CONTRACT WHICH PCL IS CLAIMING TO
3:32:16PM BE EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER THE FLORIDA PUBLIC RECORDS

3:32:20PM LAW?
3:32:20PM WHEN WILL THE CITY PROVIDE COPIES OF ALL THE INVOICES AND
3:32:26PM ALL WORK PRODUCT PRODUCED BY PCL CONSTRUCTION UNDER THIS
3:32:30PM CONTRACT TO THE STAKEHOLDERS' GROUP, THE PUBLIC, AND TO CITY
3:32:33PM COUNCIL?
3:32:33PM AND WILL THEY DO IT WITHOUT SUBMISSION OF A FORMAL PUBLIC
3:32:37PM RECORDS REQUEST?
3:32:38PM IS THE PILOT PROJECT INVOLVING THE SUSPENDED ION EXCHANGE
3:32:45PM BEING PERFORMED AND BUILT UNDER THIS CONTRACT OR ANOTHER
3:32:48PM CONTRACT?
3:32:48PM AND IF IT IS A SEPARATE CONTRACT, WHAT IS THE CONTRACT
3:32:52PM NUMBER FOR THAT ONE?
3:32:53PM AND CAN WE SEE WHAT HAS BEEN PAID OUT ON THAT?
3:32:56PM I'M SURE THAT WE HAVE MANY MORE QUESTIONS THAT WILL BE
3:33:02PM ANSWERED ONCE THIS INFORMATION IS PROVIDED, BUT THEN IT MAY
3:33:07PM ALSO PRODUCE SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, LIKE WHEN THEY TRIED
3:33:10PM TO ANSWER THE 17 QUESTIONS AND DID SO.
3:33:17PM WE WEREN'T HAPPY WITH THEIR ANSWERS.
3:33:19PM WE ALSO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SELECTION OF PCL AS
3:33:25PM THE CONTRACTOR.
3:33:27PM THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE HAVE SEEN THUS FAR FROM THE SELECTION
3:33:30PM COMMITTEE'S MEETINGS REVEAL THAT THERE WERE THREE FIRMS WHO
3:33:34PM SUBMITTED BIDS AND AFTER SCORING THE BIDS THAT WERE
3:33:37PM SUBMITTED, THE INITIAL RANKINGS WERE FIRST JACOBS
3:33:42PM ENGINEERING GROUP, INC.

3:33:45PM SECOND, KIEWIT WATER FACILITIES FLORIDA COMPANY AND THIRD
3:33:50PM PCL CONSTRUCTION INC.
3:33:52PM THE DOCUMENTS GO ON TO SAY THAT, QUOTE, ALL OF THE
3:33:55PM SUBMISSIONS BY THESE THREE FIRMS WERE DEEMED WORTHY, FOUND
3:33:59PM TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THE SOLICITATION, AND ALL THE FIRMS
3:34:02PM WERE FOUND TO BE QUALIFIED FOR THE REFERENCED PROJECT'S
3:34:06PM SCOPE OF WORK.
3:34:07PM YET WHEN THE VOTING OF THE COMMITTEE OCCURRED, PCL
3:34:11PM CONSTRUCTION WAS CHOSEN FIRST, FOLLOWED BY JACOBS
3:34:15PM ENGINEERING GROUP, FOLLOWED BY KIEWIT WATER FACILITIES OF
3:34:20PM FLORIDA.
3:34:21PM WE WONDER WHY WAS PCL SELECTED WHEN THEY FINISHED LAST IN
3:34:25PM THE INITIAL SCORING OF THE THREE FIRMS.
3:34:29PM WE LOOK FORWARD TO RECEIVING ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS AS
3:34:32PM WELL AS OTHERS THAT WE HAVE RAISED, AND I HAVE ADDITIONAL
3:34:36PM COPIES OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I RAN THROUGH TODAY BECAUSE I
3:34:40PM THOUGHT YOU MIGHT WANT THEM.
3:34:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, I WAS ABOUT TO ASK THAT
3:34:47PM QUESTION.
3:34:47PM THANK YOU.
3:34:48PM I HOPE YOU HAVE ENOUGH COPIES TO INCLUDE ME.
3:34:56PM >> I HAVE PLENTY.
3:34:57PM I HAVE SOME FOR THE CITY BUT THEY ARE NOT HERE.
3:34:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE YOU READY FOR QUESTIONS?
3:35:01PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.

3:35:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IT'S NOT REALLY A QUESTION, MORE AS A MOTION
3:35:06PM THAT I'M GOING TO ASK THE WATER DEPARTMENT TO GET US ANSWERS
3:35:12PM TO THESE QUESTIONS BY MARCH 16, 2023.
3:35:16PM SO THESE QUESTIONS BEING QUESTIONS STARTED ON PAGE 2 WHERE
3:35:25PM IT SAYS, SO MY FIRST QUESTION IS, AND THEN FINISHING WITH
3:35:29PM PAGE 3.
3:35:31PM SO ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS ANSWERED IN BOTH WRITTEN FORM --
3:35:39PM WRITTEN FORM TO BE PUT INTO SIRE BEFOREHAND.
3:35:42PM MY MOTION IS TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS, MAKE SURE THEY ARE
3:35:45PM PUT IN WRITTEN FORM AND ACCESSIBLE IN SIRE THE WEEK BEFORE.
3:35:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION?
3:35:54PM >> SECOND.
3:35:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THERE IS A FOURTH PAGE.
3:35:56PM I APOLOGIZE.
3:35:57PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I HAVE THREE-PAGE 1s.
3:35:59PM IF YOU COULD JUST TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT YOU WERE HANDED, I
3:36:06PM DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, BUT I HAVE
3:36:09PM THREE OF THE SAME IDENTICAL PAGE ONES.
3:36:17PM YOU HAVE THAT TOO?
3:36:19PM WHAT SHOULD THEY HAVE, SIR?
3:36:22PM >> THERE ARE FOUR PAGES.
3:36:23PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NUMBERED ONE THROUGH FOUR.
3:36:26PM >> YES.
3:36:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DOES EVERYBODY HAVE PAGES 1, 2, 3, 4?
3:36:30PM DO YOU HAVE PAGES 1, 2, 3, AND 4 FOR THE CLERK?

3:36:36PM NAME AGAIN, SIR.
3:36:38PM MR. GIBBONS.
3:36:39PM DID YOU HAVE AN EXTRA COPY FOR THE CLERK?
3:36:43PM THANK YOU.
3:36:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHEN I COUNTED THESE QUESTIONS, I FOUND 11
3:36:51PM QUESTIONS.
3:36:53PM IS THAT RIGHT, MR. GIBBONS?
3:36:56PM >> I DIDN'T COUNT THEM.
3:36:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BASICALLY, I SEE 10 QUESTIONS AND THEN ONE
3:37:01PM QUESTION AT THE VERY END, WHY WERE THEY SELECTED WHEN THEY
3:37:03PM FINISHED LAST?
3:37:06PM I'LL SAY THESE 11 QUESTIONS, SINCE MOST OF THESE AREN'T
3:37:10PM GOING TO REQUIRE RESEARCH, I THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO EXPECT
3:37:13PM ANSWERS ON MARCH 16th, 2023, AGAIN, WRITTEN ANSWERS IN
3:37:18PM SIRE BEFOREHAND AND THEN EXPLANATIONS.
3:37:22PM SO THAT IS MY MOTION.
3:37:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY.
3:37:30PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, THIS DISCUSSION MAY BE VERY
3:37:32PM RELEVANT FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO FORMULATE A RESPONSE FOR CITY
3:37:37PM COUNCIL.
3:37:38PM I'M GOING TO HAVE TO WORK WITH THIS AS WELL.
3:37:42PM AND IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO INVOLVE SEEING THIS INFORMATION
3:37:46PM TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHERE IT FITS IN TO WHAT COUNCIL'S
3:37:50PM DIRECTION IS.
3:37:51PM SO I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT.

3:37:55PM I'LL BE WORKING WITH THIS AS WELL SETTING FORTH WHAT COUNCIL
3:37:58PM HAS DIRECTED ME TO DO.
3:37:59PM THANK YOU.
3:38:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN
3:38:02PM HURTAK.
3:38:02PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:38:04PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
3:38:05PM ANY OPPOSED?
3:38:06PM MOTION PASSES.
3:38:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU, MR. GIBBONS, FOR PUTTING THIS IN
3:38:14PM SUCH A NICE SUCCINCT QUESTION FORMAT SO I COULD MAKE THE
3:38:17PM MOTION SO QUICKLY.
3:38:17PM THANK YOU.
3:38:18PM >> I'M CAROL KAMISA.
3:38:21PM I FEEL LIKE IT'S NECESSARY BEFORE I MAKE A BRIEF COMMENT ON
3:38:24PM FINANCIALS, WHICH WILL BE AN AGE-OLD QUESTION, BUT ADDING
3:38:28PM ANOTHER QUESTION.
3:38:28PM ON THE SELECTION ISSUE AND I WANT TO STATE THIS BECAUSE I'VE
3:38:37PM BEEN INVOLVED IN SEVERAL PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS TO GET
3:38:40PM INFORMATION THAT'S PROMISED AND NEVER SEEMS TO COME.
3:38:43PM THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE HAVE INCLUDE A MATRIX OF THOSE THREE
3:38:48PM CONTRACTORS AS GARY WAS SAYING, AND THOSE WERE THE ONES THAT
3:38:52PM WERE SELECTED, THE BIDDERS OUT OF, I DON'T REMEMBER HOW MANY
3:38:57PM TOTAL BIDDERS, TO PRESENT THEIR PROPOSAL TO THE CITY.
3:39:02PM SO THAT WAS THE INITIAL LINEUP.

3:39:05PM AFTER THAT, THERE WAS ANOTHER MEETING THAT WENT THROUGH AN
3:39:12PM EVALUATION BASED ON THE PRESENTATIONS.
3:39:13PM WE DID NOT GET A SIMILAR MATRIX OF RANKINGS.
3:39:18PM I DON'T KNOW THE PROCESSES THAT THEY GO THROUGH AND SOME OF
3:39:20PM THIS INFORMATION COULD BE CONFIDENTIAL, BUT WE DID NOT GET A
3:39:23PM MATRIX.
3:39:23PM WHAT WE GOT WAS A MEMO, A RECOMMENDATION MEMO TO THE MAYOR
3:39:28PM THAT SAID THERE WAS A UNANIMOUS DECISION IN FAVOR OF PCL IN
3:39:34PM RECOMMENDING HER APPROVAL TO SIGN UP PCL.
3:39:37PM NOW, I HEARD -- THAT WASN'T EXACTLY A UNANIMOUS DECISION,
3:39:45PM BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY DOCUMENTATION TO THAT EFFECT.
3:39:47PM I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
3:39:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: EXCUSE ME.
3:39:54PM >> CAROL KAMISA.
3:39:56PM I AM A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS GROUP.
3:40:01PM I AM NOT A WATER EXPERT OR ENGINEER.
3:40:04PM I'VE LEARNED A GREAT DEAL FROM MY COLLEAGUES.
3:40:06PM BUT BEFORE COMING TO TAMPA AS A FULL-TIME RESIDENT, I WORKED
3:40:11PM FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR NEARLY 30 YEARS.
3:40:13PM THAT'S WHERE I GOT ALL THIS WHITE HAIR.
3:40:16PM I KNOW JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SPENDING PUBLIC MONEY,
3:40:23PM ACCOUNTING FOR IT AND REPORTING ON IT, THAT SORT OF THING.
3:40:26PM I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES I'VE BEEN ON THE HILL AND
3:40:29PM HAD TO ANSWER VERY, VERY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE
3:40:31PM THINGS.

3:40:32PM SO IT'S PRETTY AMAZING TO ME THAT WE ARE WHERE WE ARE,
3:40:39PM HAVING THE MONEY GRANTED BY THIS COUNCIL IN FEBRUARY, A YEAR
3:40:45PM AGO, AND HAVING BEEN ASKED OR CHARGED WITH REPORTING ON THAT
3:40:50PM SIX MONTHS LATER, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN JULY.
3:40:54PM DIDN'T HAPPEN.
3:40:56PM AND IT'S JUST ASTONISHING TO ME.
3:40:58PM SO WE'VE BEEN ASKING THIS, AND I WISH I HAD A VERY NICE
3:41:02PM SLIDE TO SHOW YOU ON THE FINANCIALS AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE
3:41:06PM TO FIND OUT.
3:41:07PM I'M AFRAID THAT SLIDE WOULD HAVE LOTS OF GAPS, LOTS OF
3:41:10PM QUESTION MARKS, AND LOTS OF NUMBERS THAT JUST DON'T ADD UP.
3:41:14PM SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO INSTEAD JUST VERY BRIEFLY IS GIVE YOU
3:41:17PM A TIMELINE OF OUR LITTLE ODYSSEY TO TRY TO FIND OUT WHAT THE
3:41:22PM MONEY IS, WHAT IT'S BEEN SPENT ON, WHAT'S LEFT, AND SO ON.
3:41:26PM SO, COUNCIL CHARGED THE WATER DEPARTMENT WITH REPORTING BACK
3:41:35PM IN I WOULD CALCULATE JULY, THE DELIVERABLES AND THE SPENDING
3:41:39PM OF THE MONEY THAT WAS GRANTED.
3:41:41PM THAT DID NOT HAPPEN.
3:41:43PM INSTEAD, IN EARLY SEPTEMBER MEETING, THE WATER DEPARTMENT
3:41:46PM CAME AND ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS WITHOUT TO MY KNOWLEDGE
3:41:51PM ANY ACCOUNTING OF THE MONEY THAT WAS ALREADY THERE.
3:41:54PM OUR MEETINGS AS STAKEHOLDERS WITH THE WATER DEPARTMENT WERE
3:41:59PM CANCELED.
3:42:00PM THERE WAS A LOT OF OBFUSCATION.
3:42:03PM AT ONE POINT WE WERE TOLD IF WE INSISTED THERE WAS A

3:42:06PM BACK-OF-THE-ENVELOPE KIND OF CALCULATION THAT WE COULD GET
3:42:09PM ON THE FINANCIALS.
3:42:11PM AT ONE POINT, MR. REMER SAID THERE WAS NO MONEY LEFT AND NO
3:42:15PM WORK COULD BE DONE, AND JUST A LOT OF QUESTIONS THERE.
3:42:21PM WE HAVE NOT MET AS THE COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS GROUP SINCE
3:42:27PM SEPTEMBER.
3:42:28PM MYSELF AND ANOTHER COMMUNITY MEMBER DID MAKE A SEPARATE
3:42:33PM MEETING WITH THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
3:42:36PM CHUCK WEBER PRECISELY.
3:42:38PM AND WE WERE TOLD THAT WE COULD GO THROUGH AND ASK SOME VERY
3:42:42PM SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
3:42:43PM WE WERE WORKING OFF OF A DOCUMENT, AN INVOICE FROM PCL THAT
3:42:48PM WE GOT THROUGH A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST.
3:42:52PM THIS WAS AN INVOICE THAT COVERED THE PERIOD APRIL TO JUNE
3:42:57PM 2022, AND IT WAS IN THE AMOUNT OF $137,000 APPROXIMATELY,
3:43:04PM SOME CHANGE.
3:43:05PM IT DIDN'T COVER THE FULL PERIOD.
3:43:09PM IT DIDN'T SEEM TO JIVE WITH THERE'S NO MONEY LEFT.
3:43:12PM WE NEED MORE MONEY, BUT THAT WAS THE INFORMATION WE
3:43:17PM RECEIVED.
3:43:17PM IN OUR MEETING WITH CHUCK, WE THEN LEARNED ABOUT SOME OTHER
3:43:23PM MONIES, A MILLION DOLLARS THAT WAS GOING TO BE USED FOR THIS
3:43:29PM SIX PILOT PROGRAM.
3:43:31PM I DON'T KNOW.
3:43:31PM GARY RAISED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE CONTRACT, WHETHER THAT'S

3:43:35PM UNDER PCL OR UNDER THE LARGER BUDGETARY CATEGORY CALLED
3:43:41PM PROGRAM THAT PCL FALLS UNDER.
3:43:43PM WE ALSO LEARNED ABOUT A GRANT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A
3:43:47PM MATCHING GRANT FROM S.W.F.W.M.D.
3:43:50PM I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HEARD ABOUT THAT, BUT IT'S A
3:43:52PM RELATED WATER KIND OF THING.
3:43:54PM SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN THE PLUS COLUMN, HOW THEY
3:43:57PM RELATE, INTERRELATE TO THE PCL CONTRACT.
3:44:01PM I CAN'T REALLY TELL YOU.
3:44:02PM AGAIN, THOSE GAPS AND SO ON.
3:44:06PM AND THEN MORE RECENTLY WE'VE SEEN COPIES OF AN INVOICE
3:44:10PM COVERING THE PERIOD SEPTEMBER THROUGH DECEMBER, THE END OF
3:44:15PM THE CALENDAR YEAR.
3:44:16PM AND THAT BRINGS THE TOTAL, PRESUMING THAT IT COVERS THE
3:44:22PM INVOICE WE HAD PREVIOUSLY SEEN TO JUST UNDER $400,000.
3:44:27PM AGAIN, NOT JIVING WITH THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO MONEY AND WE
3:44:31PM NEED MORE MONEY AGAIN, MORE QUESTIONS AND GAPS.
3:44:34PM IT ALSO DOESN'T COVER, WAS THERE NO MONEY SPENT BETWEEN
3:44:37PM FEBRUARY AND APRIL?
3:44:39PM WAS THERE NO MONEY SPENT BETWEEN JUNE AND SEPTEMBER?
3:44:41PM JUST NOT A LOT OF CLARITY THERE.
3:44:48PM I DON'T KNOW, BUT IN MY BUSINESS AND MY EXPERIENCE WORKING
3:44:52PM WITH FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND TAXPAYER RESOURCES, YOU HAD
3:44:59PM MONTHLY REPORTS OR AT LEAST QUARTERLY REPORTS.
3:45:03PM YOU HAD CALCULATIONS OF WE HAD THIS MUCH MONEY, ACCORDING TO

3:45:07PM THESE CATEGORIES, THIS HAS BEEN SPENT.
3:45:09PM THESE ARE THE DELIVERABLES.
3:45:12PM TO ME, THAT'S VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
3:45:15PM AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE MAN ON THE STREET CAN
3:45:17PM UNDERSTAND, I THINK, OR THE WOMAN ON THE STREET, NOT JUST
3:45:20PM COUNCIL AND NOT JUST PEOPLE LIKE US WHO HAVE HAD OUR NOSE IN
3:45:24PM THIS FOR A LONG TIME.
3:45:25PM I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN'T GET THAT INFORMATION.
3:45:29PM AND PERSONALLY, WHERE I COME OUT IS EITHER THERE'S
3:45:34PM INSUFFICIENT OR MISMANAGEMENT ON THE FINANCIAL SIDE AND/OR
3:45:39PM THERE'S OBFUSCATION AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT THEY ARE NOT
3:45:42PM TELLING US AND THEY DON'T WANT US TO KNOW.
3:45:45PM I JUST COME OUT WITH MORE QUESTIONS AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU
3:45:50PM WANT TO ADD IT TO THE 17 AND SO ON.
3:45:56PM THAT'S THE EXTENT OF MY COMMENTS.
3:45:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:46:01PM >>BILL CARLSON: THERE'S A PATTERN, AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE
3:46:06PM IN FAVOR OF THESE KINDS OF PROJECTS, THEY USE THE TERM
3:46:13PM CONSPIRACY THEORIST TO TRY TO DISTRACT PEOPLE AWAY FROM
3:46:17PM THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON.
3:46:18PM WHEN WELL-EDUCATED COMMUNITY LEADERS LIKE YOURSELVES AND
3:46:22PM HUNDREDS OF OTHERS OUT THERE LOOKING AT OTHER PROJECTS FIND
3:46:25PM THINGS THAT ARE SUSPICIOUS, WE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO ASK
3:46:28PM QUESTIONS AS CITIZENS AND PARTICULARLY AS CITY COUNCIL SINCE
3:46:31PM WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR APPROVING OR REJECTING THESE

3:46:35PM PROJECTS.
3:46:35PM I FIND IT DISTURBING THAT INFORMATION IS NOT EASILY
3:46:39PM ACCESSIBLE.
3:46:40PM I MYSELF HAVE PULLED PUBLIC RECORDS AND HAVE BEEN CHARGED
3:46:43PM ABOUT $4,000 FOR PULLING THE PUBLIC RECORDS AND I STILL
3:46:47PM DON'T HAVE ALL OF THEM.
3:46:50PM I'M NOT SURE HAVE ALL OF THEM BECAUSE I LOOK TO SEE WHICH
3:46:53PM ONES WERE REDACTED AND HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE LIST YET.
3:46:56PM IF AN OFFICER OF THE CITY CAN'T GET DOCUMENTS AND EDUCATED
3:46:59PM PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC CAN'T GET DOCUMENTS, I DON'T KNOW
3:47:02PM WHAT'S GOING ON.
3:47:03PM THE COMMUNITY MEMBER CALLED ME AND SAID THEY GAVE A VERY
3:47:06PM SPECIFIC -- I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DETAILS, SOMETHING
3:47:10PM LIKE THIS.
3:47:10PM I WANT THE CONTRACT FROM PCL IN FEBRUARY 2022, AND THE
3:47:14PM RESPONSE FROM PUBLIC RECORDS WAS, WHICH CONTRACT ARE YOU
3:47:16PM TALKING ABOUT?
3:47:17PM UNLESS YOU GIVE US THE SPECIFIC, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE IT
3:47:20PM TO YOU.
3:47:20PM HOW MANY CONTRACTS ARE THERE?
3:47:25PM >> THEY NEED A CONTRACT NUMBER.
3:47:26PM WE'VE GOT A COPY.
3:47:27PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE POINT IS, WHY IS IT SO DIFFICULT FOR
3:47:30PM FOLKS?
3:47:31PM IF YOUR RESPONSE IS THAT OR YOU COULD SAY THERE ARE FOUR

3:47:34PM CONTRACTS, WOULD YOU LIKE ALL OF THEM?
3:47:37PM I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THERE ARE.
3:47:38PM THE POINT IS THE ANSWER BACK IS ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT FORCES
3:47:42PM YOU TO RELOOK AT IT AGAIN.
3:47:44PM WE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE BEEN HARASSED REPEATEDLY BY
3:47:49PM PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO HIT US FOR POLITICAL PURPOSE.
3:47:53PM THIS IS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC EDUCATED WITH NATIONAL
3:47:56PM REPUTATIONS TRYING TO GET INFORMATION TO HONESTLY
3:48:01PM OBJECTIVELY EVALUATED.
3:48:04PM AND YOU GUYS CAN'T GET THE DOCUMENTS.
3:48:06PM IT'S REALLY SAD.
3:48:07PM HERE'S SOMETHING I WOULD SUGGEST, THIS IS TO BRAINSTORM AND
3:48:10PM NOT MAKE A MOTION.
3:48:11PM JUST THE IDEA OF COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK'S PROPOSAL A LITTLE
3:48:16PM WHILE AGO, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD NOT ALLOW ANY DISCUSSION
3:48:20PM ABOUT WATER REUSE IN ANY FORM TO COME BACK UNLESS IT'S
3:48:23PM PRESENTED BY THIS TASK FORCE.
3:48:26PM AND THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THE STAFF WOULD HAVE TO MEET WITH
3:48:28PM THE TASK FORCE AND EXPLAIN IT TO THEM AND THEY WOULD EXPLAIN
3:48:31PM IT TO US.
3:48:32PM BECAUSE I THINK WE AND THE PUBLIC HAVE FAITH IN THEIR
3:48:36PM RESPONSES, BUT WHEN WE FIND OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT THERE
3:48:39PM IS A LACK OF INFORMATION, A LACK OF SPECIFICITY, HIDING
3:48:44PM INFORMATION.
3:48:45PM IT'S A PUBLIC RECORD.

3:48:46PM I GOT LIKE A THREE-PAGE MEMO SAYING THAT ALL OF YOU WERE
3:48:49PM COPIED ON A YEAR OR TWO AGO SAYING I WAS MISLEADING THE
3:48:52PM PUBLIC BY USING THE TOTAL COST OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT
3:48:57PM INSTEAD OF THE CAPITAL COST, WHICH IS COMPLETELY ABSURD.
3:48:59PM HOW IS IT MISLEADING THE PUBLIC BY TELLING PEOPLE THE TOTAL
3:49:04PM COST?
3:49:05PM NOW THEY ARE SAYING THERE IS NO PURE PROJECT, SO THERE'S NO
3:49:08PM COST, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COST IS BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT
3:49:11PM HURTS THEM.
3:49:11PM THEN SUDDENLY THE MAYOR COMES OUT AND SAYS THERE IS A PURE
3:49:15PM PROJECT.
3:49:16PM GO BACK TO 2 TO $6 BILLION.
3:49:17PM THE WHOLE THING IS SHADY.
3:49:19PM AND THERE IS A LOT OF SHADY STUFF, LIKE HANNA AVENUE, THE
3:49:24PM INCINERATOR PLANT.
3:49:26PM ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
3:49:26PM WE NEED TO HAVE TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY IN THE CITY.
3:49:29PM I HOPE ONCE WE GET PAST THE ELECTIONS WE CAN HAVE IT AGAIN.
3:49:32PM THANK YOU.
3:49:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
3:49:37PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:49:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WELL, I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU BECAUSE THAT'S
3:49:41PM WHAT I DO, TOO, IN MY DAY JOB BEFORE I JOINED COUNCIL WAS
3:49:45PM LOOK AT AND EVALUATE INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS FOR
3:49:50PM THAT VERY SAME THING.

3:49:51PM YOU HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR EVERY PENNY AND IT'S PUBLIC.
3:49:55PM I WOULD JUST MAKE A MOTION.
3:50:00PM YOU'RE SAYING THE CONTRACT NUMBER IS 21-44.
3:50:03PM >> GARY HAS GOT IT.
3:50:04PM >> YEAH.
3:50:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
3:50:06PM >> IN FACT, WE DID GET THAT THROUGH A PUBLIC INFORMATION
3:50:09PM REQUEST.
3:50:09PM I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT CONTRACT DOCUMENT WITH MR.
3:50:12PM SHELBY.
3:50:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M GOING TO ASK FOR BOTH THE DOCUMENT AND
3:50:17PM ALL INVOICES HAVING TO DO WITH IT, AND WE'LL START THERE.
3:50:24PM IF THEY ARE VAGUE, WE'LL START WITH MORE SPECIFICITY.
3:50:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SPECIFICALLY THE CONTRACT AGAIN.
3:50:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK: 21-44.
3:50:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ASKING FOR?
3:50:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK: A COPY OF THE CONTRACT AND ALL OF THE
3:50:34PM INVOICES TO DATE.
3:50:40PM >> YOU CAN COMPARE THEM WITH WHAT WE HAVE.
3:50:42PM AS I TOLD YOU, THERE ARE GAPS.
3:50:43PM IF YOU HAVE TROUBLE LIKE MR. CARLSON IN GETTING THE
3:50:47PM CONTRACT, WE DO HAVE A COPY OF IT.
3:50:50PM >>BILL CARLSON: I REQUESTED IT ON SOMETHING ELSE.
3:50:52PM COULD YOU ASK FOR WORK PRODUCT ALSO?
3:50:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, ABSOLUTELY.

3:50:57PM THE DELIVERABLES, YEAH.
3:51:02PM >>> WHAT THE INVOICES SHOW ARE THE WORK CATEGORIES, PROJECT
3:51:05PM MANAGEMENT AND THAT'S HOW THEY CHARGE THEM.
3:51:07PM BUT THERE'S NO REAL INDICATION OF DELIVERABLES.
3:51:11PM WE GOT THIS REPORT OR THAT SORT OF THING.
3:51:14PM YOU CAN'T TELL WHAT YOU'VE GOTTEN --
3:51:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
3:51:17PM I WANT CONTRACT FOR 21-44.
3:51:22PM INVOICES, ALL INVOICES FOR THE ENTIRE CONTRACT, AND ALL
3:51:30PM DELIVERABLES FOR THAT CONTRACT, ALSO FOR MARCH 16, 2023.
3:51:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SIGNIFICANCE OF THE DATE?
3:51:39PM MARCH 16, 2023?
3:51:40PM HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT DATE.
3:51:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IT IS THE NEXT -- IT IS A MONTH FROM NOW.
3:51:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS THE DATE YOU'RE ASKING FOR IT TO
3:51:51PM COME BACK.
3:51:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
3:51:54PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU'VE ASKED, JUST SO I'M CLEAR, AND I WANT
3:51:57PM TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THIS WITH YOU JUST PURSUANT TO THE
3:52:01PM RULES, YOU'VE ASKED ME TO COME BACK NEXT WEEK ON AN ITEM
3:52:05PM RELATED TO THIS.
3:52:06PM THEN YOU'VE ASKED THE CITY TO COME BACK TO ANSWER THE
3:52:09PM QUESTIONS ON THE NEXT WEEK AFTER THAT RELATED TO THIS.
3:52:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT THEY ARE NOT RELATED.
3:52:14PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THIS CONTRACT IS NOT RELATED TO --

3:52:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO.
3:52:19PM WHAT WE ASKED YOU TO DO IS WHAT DO WE DO TO STOP IT.
3:52:23PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT VERY WELL MAY BE IF THERE IS A CONTRACT
3:52:26PM IN EFFECT.
3:52:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING FORWARD.
3:52:30PM HOW DO WE KILL THIS GOING FORWARD, NO MORE CONTRACTS, NO
3:52:33PM MORE ANYTHING.
3:52:34PM WHEREAS THIS I WANT TO ANSWER WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY.
3:52:37PM THAT'S WHAT THE PUBLIC IS ASKING.
3:52:38PM THEY ARE ASKING, WHAT IS THE CONTRACT?
3:52:41PM WHERE HAS THE MONEY GONE?
3:52:43PM WHAT DELIVERABLES HAVE WE GOTTEN?
3:52:45PM AND THEN WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THIS?
3:52:49PM >> IF I CAN JUST ADD A LITTLE FOOTNOTE, AND IT SOMEWHAT
3:52:55PM RELATES TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S USE OF THE WORD SHADY, WHEN
3:53:00PM YOU HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS AND GAPS, IT LEADS YOU TO THINK
3:53:05PM THERE'S MAYBE SOMETHING UNDER THE COVERS TO LOOK AT.
3:53:08PM I DON'T KNOW HOW DEEPLY YOU WANT TO GO IN ASKING QUESTIONS
3:53:11PM ABOUT THIS CONTRACT.
3:53:13PM BUT ONE OF THE SUBCONTRACTORS, AS YOU KNOW, HISTORICALLY,
3:53:17PM COROLLA WAS PREVIOUSLY INVOLVED IN TOILET TO TAP, THAT'S
3:53:22PM SOMETHING THAT RINGS SOME BELLS.
3:53:23PM IN ADDITION, AFTER FEBRUARY, PCL LOST THE PUBLIC OUTREACH
3:53:33PM SUBCONTRACTOR.
3:53:34PM AND THEY TOOK SOME TIME TO FIND A NEW ONE BECAUSE OF SCOPE

3:53:38PM CHANGES AND SO ON.
3:53:40PM I DON'T KNOW HOW DEEPLY YOU WANT TO GO, BUT THERE'S BEEN
3:53:43PM SOME CHANGES AT THAT LEVEL.
3:53:46PM I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT DELIVERABLES WERE
3:53:51PM PERFORMED IN RELATION TO PUBLIC EDUCATION BECAUSE I FEEL
3:53:54PM LIKE THIS GROUP IN A MATTER OF MONTHS OR EVEN WEEKS PRIOR TO
3:53:59PM THE SEPTEMBER COUNCIL MEETING SPENT MORE TIME IN THE
3:54:03PM COMMUNITY IN EDUCATING PEOPLE ON A VOLUNTARY BASIS THAN WAS
3:54:08PM EVER PERFORMED UNDER THE CONTRACT.
3:54:10PM I'M NOT SURE HOW DEEPLY YOU WANT TO GO.
3:54:13PM BUT THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ROUTE IS KIND OF IFFY FOR US AND
3:54:18PM WE'RE HAPPY TO SUPPLEMENT OR COMPARE WHAT YOU GET.
3:54:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'LL START HERE AND SEE WHERE WE GO, AND THEN
3:54:25PM WE CAN SEE IF WE NEED TO GO DEEPER, WE WILL.
3:54:28PM THANK YOU.
3:54:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN
3:54:31PM HURTAK.
3:54:32PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:54:33PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
3:54:35PM ANY OPPOSED?
3:54:36PM MOTION CARRIES.
3:54:37PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:54:42PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WONDER, ANY OF YOU, DOES IT SEEM ODD THAT
3:54:47PM SINCE WE'RE AT THE CONCEPT STAGE AND THE RESEARCH STAGE AND
3:54:51PM MAYBE THE ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS STAGE THAT THE CITY WOULD

3:54:54PM HIRE A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY AS THE LEAD CONTRACTOR?
3:54:56PM WOULDN'T YOU HIRE A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY WHEN YOU'RE WANTING
3:55:00PM TO BUILD SOMETHING INSTEAD OF -- I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT
3:55:03PM THIS PARTICULAR COMPANY, BUT IT SEEMS ODD THAT YOU WOULD.
3:55:08PM >> LOOKING BACK AT THE TAP DOCUMENTS, THEY HAD A LIST --
3:55:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: JUST FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
3:55:15PM >> NANCY STEVENS.
3:55:17PM LOOKING BACK AT THE TAP DOCUMENTS THAT THEY REFERENCED, LIST
3:55:19PM OF ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT THEY HAD PRODUCED BY 2018.
3:55:23PM MOST OF THEM WERE IMPLEMENTATION DOCUMENTS.
3:55:25PM SO UNDER THE TAP PROJECT, THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK ON HOW TO
3:55:29PM IMPLEMENT IT.
3:55:30PM AGAIN, ALL THAT DOCUMENTATION SHOULD BE --
3:55:33PM >>BILL CARLSON: BUT THE PCL CONTRACT IS WHEN THEY HAD SAID
3:55:36PM TO US THAT THEY WERE GOING TO START COMPLETELY OVER, LOOK AT
3:55:39PM ALL THE ALTERNATIVES, BUT THEN THEY HIRED A CONSTRUCTION
3:55:42PM COMPANY AS THE LEAD CONTRACTOR.
3:55:43PM SO IT SEEMS LIKE YOU WOULD ONLY HIRE A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY
3:55:46PM IF YOU WERE ALREADY PLANNING ON BUILDING SOMETHING.
3:55:48PM REMEMBER THE DISCUSSION WE HAD OVER AND OVER AGAIN, IS THIS
3:55:50PM A PROJECT OR PROCESS?
3:55:52PM SOMETIMES THEY'LL SAY PROCESS BUT MOST OF THE TIME WE'RE
3:55:56PM TRYING TO BUILD THE PROCESS WITH THE ION EXCHANGE AND WE
3:55:58PM WANT TO MOVE DOWN, IT'S STILL TAP.
3:56:03PM THERE'S THIS OTHER DISCUSSION, BUT THEN IT'S STILL TAP.

3:56:06PM THE FACT THAT THE STAFF SAID NOW ALL OF THIS IS DONE, WE'RE
3:56:09PM GOING TO COMPLETELY START OVER AGAIN JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS
3:56:11PM AGO AND THEN THE MAYOR COMES OUT WITH A WHOLE VIDEO ABOUT
3:56:14PM PURE.
3:56:17PM >> CAROL AND I DID ATTEND THE CONFERENCE WHERE THE THREE
3:56:21PM CONTRACTORS WERE PRESENTING AND WE BOTH KIND OF LIKED JACOBS
3:56:26PM BECAUSE THEY WERE COMING IN WITH NEW IDEAS, PRETTY SURED
3:56:29PM APPROACHES, STAGED APPROACH TO IMPLEMENTING IT, LOOKING AT
3:56:31PM THE NEEDS.
3:56:33PM JACOBS WASN'T SELECTED.
3:56:37PM >> I THINK I'M LAST.
3:56:39PM PHIL COMPTON.
3:56:39PM I'D LIKE TO REMIND YOU, FIRST OF ALL, HOW WE GOT HERE.
3:56:43PM I'M WITH FRIENDS OF THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
3:56:46PM WE'RE THE CITIZENS GROUP THAT HAD TO COME TOGETHER 24 YEARS
3:56:52PM AGO TO STAND UP FOR THE RIVER WHEN NO ONE ELSE COULD OR
3:56:55PM WOULD.
3:56:56PM BACK IN 1999 WHEN S.W.F.W.M.D. WAS FIRST WORKING ON
3:56:59PM ESTABLISHING A MINIMUM FLOW RULE FOR THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER
3:57:02PM AFTER 35 YEARS OF ABUSE AND NEGLECT BY THE CITY, MAYOR GRECO
3:57:07PM TOLD S.W.F.W.M.D. THAT IF THERE WERE TO BE A MINIMUM FLOW
3:57:10PM FOR THE -- BELOW THE DAM, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE 100% SULPHUR
3:57:14PM SPRINGS WATER.
3:57:16PM ALL THE FRESHWATER IN THE RIVER WAS THE CITY'S PROPERTY.
3:57:20PM OUR APPEAL OF THE RULE RESULTED IN FIVE-YEAR SCIENTIFIC

3:57:23PM STUDY THAT PROVED THAT WE WERE RIGHT, THAT THE RIVER'S
3:57:27PM ESTUARY BELOW THE DAM DOES NEED A COMBINATION OF SPRINGS
3:57:31PM WATER AND CLEAN FRESHWATER.
3:57:34PM THEN YEARS LATER, MAYOR IORIO PROPOSED USING TREATED
3:57:39PM WASTEWATER AS THE SOURCE OF THE FRESHWATER.
3:57:41PM BUT PUBLIC OUTCRY PREVENTED THAT AND RESULTED IN THE USE OF
3:57:46PM THE WATER AS MR. FLANNERY DESCRIBED WITH A COMBINATION OF
3:57:49PM THE SPRINGS WATER AND FRESHWATER.
3:57:52PM UNTIL QUITE RECENTLY, HOWEVER, CITY STAFF RESISTED THAT
3:57:56PM APPROACH USING ONLY SULPHUR SPRINGS WATER INSTEAD OF ANY OF
3:57:59PM THE ABUNDANT CLEAN, FRESHWATER THAT'S BEEN DESIGNATED FOR
3:58:04PM USE IN THE MINIMUM FLOW.
3:58:06PM HERE WE ARE TODAY WITH MAYOR CASTOR'S STAFF NOW PROPOSING
3:58:09PM THAT INSTEAD OF USING THE CLEAN FRESHWATER THAT WE HAVE
3:58:12PM AVAILABLE FOR THE ESTUARY WHERE THE FISH OF TAMPA BAY COME
3:58:15PM UP RIVER TO SPAWN IN THE SPRING, THE STAFF IS PROPOSING THAT
3:58:19PM WE INSTEAD USE TREATED WASTEWATER BECAUSE IT WILL NOT ONLY
3:58:24PM BE SAFE FOR THE FISH WHO SPAWN THERE, BUT IT WILL ALSO BE
3:58:28PM SAFE FOR OUR CHILDREN AND OUR GRANDCHILDREN TO DRINK.
3:58:31PM BUT WILL IT BE SAFE?
3:58:33PM THE CITY HAS NOT DECIDED WHAT THE ADDITIONAL METHODS OF
3:58:36PM TREATMENT OF THE WASTEWATER WILL BE UNDER PURE.
3:58:38PM IN OTHER WORDS, THEY HAVE YET TO TELL THE CITIZENS HOW THE
3:58:41PM CITY WILL TREAT THE RECLAIMED WATER TO SUFFICIENTLY REMOVE
3:58:44PM THE CONTAMINANTS AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FOREVER

3:58:47PM CHEMICALS THAT YOU'RE HEARING SO MUCH ABOUT, THE PFAS, THE
3:58:51PM PHARMACEUTICALS, EVERYTHING YOU GET AT A CVS, WALGREENS OR
3:58:55PM WHAT HAVE YOU.
3:58:56PM HORMONES, HEAVY METALS, PATHOGENS, ET CETERA.
3:58:59PM BEFORE THEY, OF COURSE, AS YOU KNOW, PUT IT INTO THE
3:59:02PM RESERVOIR ABOVE THE DAM AND INTO OUR DRINKING WATER SUPPLY,
3:59:05PM USED IT FOR THE MINIMUM FLOW FOR THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER
3:59:07PM BELOW THE DAM WHERE FISH OF TAMPA BAY COME UP RIVER IN THE
3:59:10PM SPRING TO SPAWN OR STORING ANY OF IT IN THE AQUIFER.
3:59:15PM THERE ARE NO FLORIDA OR UNITED STATES DRINKING WATER
3:59:18PM STANDARDS YET ESTABLISHED THAT SET SAFE LEVELS OF THE
3:59:21PM CONTAMINANTS KNOWN TO BE IN RECLAIMED WATER.
3:59:26PM IN OTHER WORDS, UNDER CURRENT LAW, TAMPA ISN'T REQUIRED TO
3:59:30PM TEST FOR THOSE CONTAMINANTS OR TELL YOU WHAT LEVELS REMAIN
3:59:34PM IN THE RECLAIMED WATER TO MEET DRINKING WATER STANDARDS.
3:59:38PM SO IF STAFF ARE TELLING YOU THEY'LL TREAT THE RECLAIMED
3:59:43PM WATER TO CURRENT DRINKING WATER STANDARDS, THEY ARE AGAIN
3:59:46PM NOT TELLING YOU THE WHOLE STORY.
3:59:48PM THEY ARE LEAVING OUT THE MOST IMPORTANT PART, SAYING YOU'LL
3:59:51PM MEET CURRENT DRINKING WATER STANDARDS IS IRRELEVANT TO THE
3:59:55PM QUESTION OF HUMAN HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL SAFETY AND FAILS
3:59:57PM TO EQUATE TO A SUFFICIENT SAFETY STANDARD FOR PURE.
4:00:00PM AND NO AMOUNT OF FUNDING THAT YOU COULD PROVIDE FOR STAFF
4:00:04PM CAN RESULT IN THE CREATION OF STANDARDS THAT WE MUST HAVE TO
4:00:08PM KNOW IF THIS WATER IS SAFE.

4:00:11PM IT'S NOT FOR ANY OF US TO SET THOSE STANDARDS.
4:00:14PM IT'S WAY ABOVE EVERYONE HERE'S PAY GRADE.
4:00:17PM IT IS THE JOB OF THE STATE AND FEDERAL OFFICIALS.
4:00:20PM EVEN FOR THE TYPE OF CONTAMINANTS FOR WHICH WE DO HAVE
4:00:24PM STANDARDS, THERE ARE QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED.
4:00:26PM THE STUDY SHOULD CAPTURE PEAK CONTAMINANT LEVELS.
4:00:31PM THOSE CAN VARY BY DAY AND HOUR.
4:00:33PM IT'S LIKELY THAT THE STAFF MIGHT HAVE MISSED THOSE PEAK
4:00:36PM CONTAMINANT LEVELS IN THEIR MEASUREMENTS.
4:00:39PM WHAT DO INDUSTRIES DUMP INTO THE SEWER SYSTEM?
4:00:43PM WHAT TIME OF DAY DOES THAT HAPPEN?
4:00:45PM WE NEED A MORE RIGOROUS CONTAMINANT STUDY AND NEEDS TO BE
4:00:51PM AVAILABLE ONLINE.
4:00:52PM WE NEED TO KNOW FOR SURE WHAT IS IN THE WATER BEFORE WE TRY
4:00:56PM TO DEMONSTRATE ONE APPROACH OR ANOTHER WOULD BE EFFECTIVE IN
4:00:58PM ELIMINATING CONTAMINATION.
4:01:00PM TELLING YOU NOT TO WORRY THAT THE RIVER IS ALREADY
4:01:03PM CONTAMINATED WITHOUT REAL NUMBERS FROM THE RIVER AND FROM
4:01:07PM THE WASTEWATER WOULD BE ADDING TO THE RIVER, TELLS US
4:01:11PM NOTHING AND IS A DISSERVICE TO US ALL.
4:01:13PM ACCORDING TO THE NATIONAL WATER RESEARCH INSTITUTE, QUOTE,
4:01:17PM MORE MONITORING IS NEEDED TO SUPPORT FURTHER DEVELOPMENT,
4:01:21PM DESIGN, IMPLEMENTATION, AND LONG-TERM OPERATION OF THE TAMPA
4:01:24PM PURE PROJECT AND IS DESCRIBED IN RECOMMENDATIONS BELOW.
4:01:28PM MONITORING IS NEEDED NOT ONLY FOR THE TRADITIONAL PARAMETERS

4:01:30PM SUCH AS TOTAL DISSOLVED SOLIDS, TOTAL ORGANIC COMPOUND AND
4:01:34PM NUTRIENTS BUT ALSO FOR PATHOGENS, MICROBIAL SURROGATES AND
4:01:38PM ARRAY OF CHEMICAL CONSTITUENTS OF CONCERN, INCLUDING
4:01:41PM RECALCITRANT ORGANICS AND WASTEWATER SOURCES.
4:01:46PM THIS IS THE TYPE OF POLLUTION, CONTAMINATION THAT WE WOULD
4:01:49PM BE DEALING WITH FOR THE FIRST TIME.
4:01:51PM WE HAVE NO EXPERIENCE WITH THAT UP TO DATE.
4:01:54PM IF THE STAFF TELLS YOU THAT THEY DO, THEY DON'T.
4:01:57PM I UNDERSTAND NOW THAT SOME OF YOU MAY FAVOR REVERSE OSMOSIS,
4:02:01PM RO.
4:02:02PM THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THE CONCERN AS THAT WOULD ELIMINATE
4:02:05PM 100% OF ALL CONTAMINANTS LEAVING JUST H 2 O.
4:02:09PM COOL, RIGHT?
4:02:10PM AS YOU KNOW, R.O. IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE WAY TO GO AND STAFF
4:02:14PM HAVE RESISTED THE APPROACH DUE TO THEIR DESIRE TO ONLY
4:02:17PM PROVIDE US WITH ALL THE TREATMENT WE CAN AFFORD.
4:02:20PM AND IT WOULD BE EXPENSIVE.
4:02:22PM BUT WHY SHOULD WE GO THAT ROUTE?
4:02:25PM WHY SHOULD TAMPA'S TAXPAYERS FOOT THE BILL FOR REVERSE
4:02:29PM OSMOSIS SYSTEM WHEN THERE'S ALREADY A BIG ONE RIGHT HERE IN
4:02:33PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY?
4:02:33PM ONE WHOSE COST WAS BORN NOT JUST BY ABOUT HALF A MILLION
4:02:38PM TAMPA TAXPAYERS, BUT BY THE SEVERAL MILLION TAXPAYERS OF THE
4:02:43PM ENTIRE TAMPA BAY REGION.
4:02:44PM THE TAMPA BAY WATER SYSTEM COULD BE EXPANDED AND TAMPA BAY

4:02:47PM WATER COULD BUILD ADDITIONAL R.O. SYSTEMS, AND THEY ARE
4:02:51PM THINKING ABOUT THAT.
4:02:52PM WHY SHOULD TAMPA HAVE ITS OWN DUPLICATE SYSTEM THAT WOULD
4:02:55PM ADD TO THE COST OF OUR WATER FAR MORE THAN RELYING ON TAMPA
4:02:58PM BAY WATER FOR THE RARE OCCASION WHEN WE NEED A LITTLE MORE
4:03:02PM THAN THE RIVER CAN PROVIDE?
4:03:04PM THERE'S SOME OLD-TIMEY THINKING IN THE CITY AMONG STAFF AND
4:03:10PM HERE ON COUNCIL, GOING BACK DECADES, THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE
4:03:13PM OUR VERY OWN SYSTEM, THAT WE CAN'T TRUST A REGIONAL SYSTEM.
4:03:19PM THAT FEAR WOULD RESULT IN A VERY EXPENSIVE LUXURY OF A
4:03:24PM DUPLICATE SYSTEM OR OUR OWN SOMEWHAT LESS EXPENSIVE SYSTEM
4:03:29PM THAT'S INFERIOR TO WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE AVAILABLE THROUGH
4:03:32PM TAMPA BAY WATER.
4:03:32PM SO WHAT WOULD THE COST BE?
4:03:36PM YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THIS BEFORE.
4:03:40PM THIS WAS PRESENTED TO YOU ON MAY 20 LAST YEAR BY JUTURNA
4:03:46PM CONSULTING.
4:03:47PM WE DON'T REALLY KNOW.
4:03:48PM STAFF HAVEN'T TOLD US AND HAVEN'T TOLD YOU.
4:03:51PM WHAT WE DO KNOW IS IT COULD MEAN AN AVERAGE INCREASE OF
4:03:53PM ANYWHERE FROM 35 TO 79 DOLLARS A MONTH ON OUR WATER BILLS.
4:03:58PM THAT ESTIMATE IS DRAWN FROM THIS REPORT AND DIVIDING THAT BY
4:04:04PM ASSUMING 170,000 WATER CUSTOMER ACCOUNTS.
4:04:08PM ANYWHERE FROM THE 2.1 BILLION, TO 4.9 BILLION.
4:04:15PM FINALLY, I UNDERSTAND LAST NIGHT SOME OF YOU SAW HOW MANY

4:04:19PM ENGAGED VOTERS WANT US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS RISKY,
4:04:22PM EXPENSIVE AND REALLY NOT NECESSARY PLAN, NOT A ONE, RIGHT?
4:04:27PM DON'T WE HAVE OTHER NEEDS THAT CRY OUT RIGHT NOW AS WE WERE
4:04:31PM REMINDED THIS MORNING BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WILL
4:04:33PM GOING FORWARD FOR YEARS TO COME FOR FUNDS THAT WE NOW SAY WE
4:04:38PM DON'T HAVE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ACCESSIBLE TRANSPORTATION,
4:04:40PM AND SUSTAINABLE CITY HERE ON THE WATER AT A TIME WHEN THE
4:04:43PM SEAS ARE RISING AND WILL ONE DAY TOO SOON RISE ABOVE OUR
4:04:48PM FRONT DOORS WHEN IT STORMS.
4:04:49PM YOU STOPPED PURE BEFORE.
4:04:51PM YOU THOUGHT.
4:04:52PM BUT LIKE A ZOMBIE, IT WILL COME BACK BEFORE YOU.
4:04:56PM THIS TIME WITH THE SUPPORT OF, WELL, AMONG OTHERS,
4:04:59PM STAKEHOLDERS, ASSOCIATED INDUSTRIES, HARDLY THE KIND OF
4:05:04PM STAKEHOLDER THAT VOTERS WOULD RECOGNIZE AS HAVING A VALID
4:05:06PM INTEREST IN OUR CITY'S FUTURE.
4:05:08PM PLEASE, AND THANK YOU FOR THE ACTION THAT YOU'RE TAKING
4:05:10PM TODAY.
4:05:11PM SAY NO TODAY.
4:05:12PM SAY NO TOMORROW.
4:05:13PM AND SAY NO FOREVER TO THIS HAREBRAINED PLAN.
4:05:15PM AND TELL THE MAYOR AND HER STAFF TO GET TO WORK ON DOING OUR
4:05:19PM PART FOR REGIONAL SOLUTION THAT DOESN'T ROB OUR CITY'S
4:05:24PM CAPACITY TO SOLVE OUR REAL PROBLEMS.
4:05:26PM THANK YOU.

4:05:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
4:05:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING
4:05:37PM THAT UP.
4:05:37PM WHEN WE APPROVED THE SIXTH PILOT, THAT WAS ONE OF MY
4:05:42PM QUESTIONS WAS, WELL, WHAT IS IN THE WASTEWATER THAT WE'RE
4:05:45PM TRYING TO GET RID OF?
4:05:47PM THEY COULDN'T TELL ME.
4:05:49PM THEY SAID, THOUGH, I MEAN, IN THEORY, A PILOT TEST WOULD
4:05:52PM HAVE A BENCHMARK AND THEN WHAT ELSE.
4:05:56PM HOPEFULLY WE SHOULD HAVE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE ONCE
4:06:00PM THAT STUDY IS DONE.
4:06:01PM THAT WILL AT LEAST GIVE US A BASELINE OF WHAT WE'RE
4:06:04PM CURRENTLY PUTTING OUT BECAUSE THAT WAS MY FIRST QUESTION,
4:06:06PM TOO.
4:06:07PM HOW DO YOU IMPROVE UPON IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT --
4:06:09PM >> RIGHT.
4:06:10PM BUT YOU STILL DON'T KNOW IF YOU REDUCE IT TO SOMETHING
4:06:13PM GREATER THAN ZERO, IF THAT IS A SAFE LEVEL FOR A LITTLE
4:06:18PM GIRL, LIKE THE LITTLE GIRL WHO WAS HERE TODAY AND --
4:06:23PM DRINKING THAT WATER ALL HER LIFE.
4:06:25PM WHAT IS THAT GOING TO DO TO HER?
4:06:27PM WE DON'T KNOW.
4:06:28PM BUT LET'S TAKE A CHANCE AND FIND OUT, SHALL WE?
4:06:31PM THANK YOU.
4:06:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.

4:06:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
4:06:33PM >>BILL CARLSON: ONE QUICK QUESTION.
4:06:35PM DID YOU SAY AIF IS SUPPORTING THIS, THE ASSOCIATED
4:06:39PM INDUSTRIES --
4:06:40PM >> ASSOCIATED INDUSTRIES WAS LISTED AS ONE OF THE
4:06:42PM STAKEHOLDERS THAT THE CITY HAS ASSEMBLED.
4:06:45PM ALONG WITH FRIENDS OF THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER AND LEAGUE OF
4:06:48PM WOMEN VOTERS AND SO FORTH.
4:06:50PM THEY'VE ADDED TO THE STAKEHOLDERS.
4:06:54PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE OTHER BUSINESS ORGANIZATIONS OUTSIDE OF
4:06:57PM TAMPA ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IT'S A HUGE UNFUNDED
4:07:00PM MANDATE AND HUGE TAX INCREASE BECAUSE OF IT.
4:07:04PM >> BASICALLY AS WE CHARACTERIZED EARLIER, THE LEADERS OF THE
4:07:06PM WATER INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX ARE NOW BEING CONSIDERED
4:07:09PM STAKEHOLDERS, LIKE CITIZENS ARE.
4:07:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: QUESTIONS, COMMENTS?
4:07:18PM >> THERE WAS A STUDY DONE BY THE CITY TO TEST A DELIVERABLE
4:07:23PM DONE BY CAR LOW CONSULTING.
4:07:26PM OCTOBER 2020.
4:07:27PM THAT HAD A VERY EXTENSIVE STUDY OF THE CONTAMINANTS IN THE
4:07:32PM WASTEWATER, THE DRINKING WATER AND THE RAW WATER AND BIG
4:07:35PM APPENDIX.
4:07:36PM I DIDN'T PRINT OUT THE APPENDIX.
4:07:38PM IT'S THIS THICK.
4:07:39PM IF YOU REQUEST THAT, IT'S A BIG DOCUMENT.

4:07:42PM I MIGHT BE ABLE TO SHARE IT WITH YOU.
4:07:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU SHARE THE DATE AGAIN?
4:07:46PM >> OCTOBER 2020. DELIVERABLE, OCTOBER 2020.
4:07:53PM TASK 8.
4:08:00PM THERE WERE THAT MANY TASKS.
4:08:03PM A LOT OF TAP DOCUMENTATION THAT THEY ARE REFERENCING.
4:08:15PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, IF YOU CAN INQUIRE, WOULD THAT
4:08:20PM ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?
4:08:21PM WOULD THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT WAS RAISED AS TO WHAT'S
4:08:23PM IN THE WATER?
4:08:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, BECAUSE I'M LOOKING FOR OUR BASELINE
4:08:29PM TODAY IN 2023, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID IN THAT SIXTH
4:08:32PM PILOT, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE US THE BASELINE OF WHAT'S
4:08:37PM NOW.
4:08:37PM 2020 IS A FINE ONE AS WELL, BUT THE PROJECT THAT THEY ARE
4:08:40PM PUTTING ON CURRENTLY, THAT PILOT SHOULD ANSWER THAT
4:08:42PM QUESTION.
4:08:43PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DO YOU KNOW WHEN THAT IS COMING BACK?
4:08:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DO NOT.
4:08:46PM IT IS A SIX-MONTH PILOT.
4:08:48PM SO I WOULD ASSUME IT WOULD TAKE THREE MONTHS AFTERWARDS TO
4:08:52PM GET A REPORT TOGETHER.
4:08:54PM GENERALLY, THOSE TAKE ABOUT A YEAR.
4:08:57PM >> I'VE RAISED QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS REPORT AND I QUESTIONED
4:09:00PM WHETHER 12 SAMPLES OF WASTEWATER CONTAMINANT IS ENOUGH AND

4:09:05PM WHETHER THE ACTUAL MEASUREMENTS WERE COMPLETE AND ACTUALLY
4:09:09PM CAUGHT THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF THE CONTAMINANTS, AND THEY
4:09:12PM NEVER RESPONDED TO THAT QUESTION.
4:09:16PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST A REMINDER, IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE
4:09:19PM FROM THE PUBLIC BEFORE YOU CLOSE OUT THE WORKSHOP, TO TAKE
4:09:22PM PUBLIC COMMENT, IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTED TO SAY
4:09:24PM ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE PRESENTERS?
4:09:27PM AT THREE MINUTES.
4:09:28PM >> I WAS SUPPOSED TO BUT I'M GOING TO PASS.
4:09:30PM [ LAUGHTER ]
4:09:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE YOU SURE?
4:09:32PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
4:09:35PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK
4:09:38PM THE -- WHAT DO YOU CALL YOURSELVES, WORKING GROUP OR
4:09:42PM SOMETHING?
4:09:42PM STAKEHOLDER GROUP.
4:09:45PM >> CITIZENS.
4:09:47PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE CITIZENS STAKEHOLDER GROUP TO COME BACK
4:09:50PM TO GIVE US AN UPDATE AT THE AUGUST 31 WORKSHOP.
4:09:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
4:09:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
4:10:00PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
4:10:02PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
4:10:04PM ANY OPPOSED?
4:10:04PM MOTION PASSES.

4:10:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
4:10:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE WILL WAIT TO RECEIVE AND FILE UNTIL AFTER
4:10:27PM TONIGHT'S.
4:10:27PM EXCUSE ME.
4:10:28PM MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
4:10:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
4:10:31PM I MADE THE MOTION TO MOVE IT.
4:10:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE BY
4:10:36PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
4:10:36PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
4:10:39PM ALL IN FAVOR?
4:10:40PM INFORMATION REPORTS WILL BE AT TONIGHT'S SESSION.
4:10:42PM WE ARE ADJOURNED.
4:10:43PM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]

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