TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, MARCH 2, 2023, 9:00 A.M.
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9:01:43AM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
9:01:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GOOD MORNING, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL IS NOW IN
9:01:47AM SESSION.
9:01:47AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:01:54AM >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T THINK THE PERSON THAT WE INVITED TO
9:01:57AM DO THE PRAYER IS HERE, SO WE'LL STAND AND HAVE A MOMENT OF
9:01:59AM SILENCE AND THEN FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE,
9:02:01AM PLEASE.
9:02:04AM [MOMENT OF SILENCE]
9:02:10AM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
9:02:11AM [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:02:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ROLL CALL.
9:02:28AM >>THE CLERK: CARLSON?
9:02:28AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
9:02:32AM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
9:02:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
9:02:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
9:02:35AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
9:02:36AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
9:02:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
9:02:39AM >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
9:02:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:02:41AM MR. SHELBY.
9:02:41AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS
9:02:44AM OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
9:02:44AM MARTIN SHELBY, COUNCIL CITY ATTORNEY.
9:02:46AM QUICK MOTION, PLEASE, TO CONTINUE THE USE OF CMT UNTIL THE
9:02:50AM RULES CHANGE PERMANENTLY.
9:02:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
9:02:53AM MANISCALCO.
9:02:53AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:02:54AM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
9:02:55AM IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
9:02:58AM MOTION CARRIES.
9:02:58AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:02:59AM WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A WALK-ON PRESENTATION AFTER OUR FIRST
9:03:06AM AGENDA ITEM.
9:03:07AM LET'S GO THROUGH OUR --
9:03:14AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
9:03:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:03:18AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:03:19AM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
9:03:20AM ANY OPPOSED? AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2 I HEAR IS GOING TO BE
9:03:30AM CONTINUED TO APRIL 6.
9:03:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MOVED.
9:03:32AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
9:03:33AM >> WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:03:35AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:03:36AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:03:37AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:03:38AM MOTION CARRIES.
9:03:39AM OKAY.
9:03:44AM ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATES.
9:03:45AM ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A REPORT FROM CHIEF BENNETT?
9:03:49AM >>JOHN BENNETT: GOOD MORNING.
9:03:50AM JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
9:03:52AM GOOD MORNING, PUBLIC.
9:03:53AM [AUDIO FEEDBACK]
9:03:55AM WAIT FOR THAT TO CORRECT.
9:03:57AM NO PRESENTATION FOR TODAY, HOWEVER, DURING THE AGENDA REVIEW
9:04:01AM YESTERDAY, WE TALKED ABOUT MOVING UP ONE OF THE STAFF
9:04:05AM REPORTS.
9:04:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
9:04:07AM AND, COUNCIL, WITH YOUR PERMISSION AND CONSENSUS, I WOULD
9:04:11AM LIKE TO MOVE UP AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11 TO OUR FIRST STAFF
9:04:18AM REPORT.
9:04:18AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO MOVED.
9:04:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:04:21AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:04:22AM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
9:04:23AM IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
9:04:25AM MOTION CARRIES.
9:04:26AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5 IS A RESOLUTION.
9:04:31AM WE WILL HEAR THAT.
9:04:32AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:04:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
9:04:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7?
9:04:41AM >>BILL CARLSON: [INAUDIBLE]
9:04:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGAIN, AGENDA NUMBER 8, COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
9:04:46AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
9:04:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND 9, COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
9:04:50AM >>BILL CARLSON: [INAUDIBLE]
9:04:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGAIN, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10, COUNCILMAN
9:04:54AM CARLSON.
9:04:55AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
9:04:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND MR. SHELBY, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12.
9:05:02AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, COUNCIL.
9:05:04AM I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS IT VERY BRIEFLY.
9:05:06AM ULTIMATELY, I'M GOING TO BE ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE FOR
9:05:09AM THAT, BUT I WANT TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION FROM COUNCIL.
9:05:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:05:11AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13.
9:05:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
9:05:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14, COUNCILMAN
9:05:19AM MANISCALCO.
9:05:24AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NUMBER 14 AND NUMBER 13, COUNCIL, I WOULD
9:05:27AM SAY HAVE BEEN ROLLED INTO ONE ITEM.
9:05:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HEAR THEM TOGETHER.
9:05:32AM THAT'S FINE.
9:05:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: EXCELLENT.
9:05:33AM THANK YOU.
9:05:33AM COUNCILMAN GUDES, NUMBER 15.
9:05:36AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
9:05:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THEY ARE ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE TO MARCH
9:05:41AM 16.
9:05:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO CONTINUE TO MARCH 16, 2023, ITEM
9:05:45AM 15.
9:05:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
9:05:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:05:49AM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:05:50AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:05:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO CONTINUE ITEM 16 TO APRIL 6,
9:05:55AM 2023.
9:05:57AM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, ON THAT ONE.
9:05:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:06:00AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:06:01AM YEAH, FOR ITEM 16 FOR THE ACCELA, I DISCUSSED TWO WEEKS FOR
9:06:06AM THAT AS OPPOSED TO WHAT ARE WE AT RIGHT NOW?
9:06:10AM SORRY, THE YEAR IS GOING BY SO FAST.
9:06:12AM FOR TWO WEEKS.
9:06:14AM I MEAN, LOOK, IF STAFF WANTS APRIL 6, THAT'S FINE.
9:06:16AM I DID WANT TO THANK STAFF.
9:06:17AM IT APPEARS FROM TALKING WITH SOME STAKEHOLDERS ON THIS ISSUE
9:06:20AM THAT REALLY GOOD PROGRESS IS BEING MADE, WHICH IS GREAT.
9:06:23AM SO I REALLY WANTED TO THANK STAFF AND EVERYONE AT ACCELA AND
9:06:27AM ALL THE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS AND BUILDERS
9:06:29AM ASSOCIATION FOLKS, ET CETERA, FOR THIS.
9:06:32AM SO THAT'S WONDERFUL.
9:06:33AM BUT I CONTEMPLATED TWO WEEKS, BUT IF THEY WANT APRIL 6,
9:06:37AM THAT'S FINE.
9:06:37AM I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THAT.
9:06:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
9:06:44AM MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:06:47AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:06:47AM IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
9:06:49AM MOTION CARRIES.
9:06:50AM I BELIEVE THAT CLEARS UP FOR THE AGENDA.
9:06:57AM 17.
9:06:58AM APRIL 6.
9:07:00AM ASK FOR CONTINUANCE.
9:07:02AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES, MR. CHAIR.
9:07:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
9:07:05AM >>BILL CARLSON: 17, IF YOU LOOK HERE, THE MOTION WAS FIRST
9:07:08AM MADE IN AUGUST, AND REMEMBER ON THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS, FOR
9:07:14AM EXAMPLE, WE WERE CRITICIZED BECAUSE IT KEPT GETTING DELAYED
9:07:17AM AND DELAYED AND DELAYED, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS DELAYED BY
9:07:19AM STAFF.
9:07:20AM THIS IS ALSO BEING DELAYED BY STAFF, AND I UNDERSTAND FOLKS
9:07:23AM WANT MORE TIME.
9:07:24AM THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING.
9:07:25AM BUT THIS IS A PRETTY IMPORTANT THING.
9:07:27AM I REMEMBER IT CAME OUT OF THE HANNA AVENUE PROJECT.
9:07:30AM SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS TO APRIL
9:07:34AM 6, BUT AS THE FINAL CONTINUANCE.
9:07:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
9:07:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:07:41AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:07:43AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:07:43AM IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
9:07:45AM MOTION CARRIES.
9:07:46AM ANYTHING ELSE?
9:07:49AM CHIEF BENNETT.
9:07:51AM >>JOHN BENNETT: NO.
9:07:52AM THANK YOU.
9:07:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.
9:08:01AM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:08:04AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
9:08:04AM GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY HERE TODAY.
9:08:25AM IT'S MY GREAT PLEASURE TO PRESENT THE TAMPA POLICE
9:08:29AM DEPARTMENT OFFICER OF THE MONTH TO CORPORAL VINCENT LETO,
9:08:34AM WHO IS OUR TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFICER OF THE MONTH.
9:08:37AM HOW ARE YOU SIR?
9:08:38AM LIKE I ALWAYS SAY, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL DOES THIS BECAUSE WE
9:08:42AM REFLECT THE VALUES --
9:08:56AM [ENCODER DROP]
9:09:09AM >> -- MY HONOR TO BE HERE TO PRESENT OUR OFFICER OF THE
9:09:12AM MONTH AND THANK YOU ALL FOR RECOGNIZING HIM AND OUR OFFICERS
9:09:16AM AS WELL.
9:09:17AM SO I'VE KNOWN VINNY LETO FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
9:09:21AM HE IS A DILIGENT, METHODICAL INVESTIGATOR.
9:09:24AM DOESN'T LEAVE ANYTHING UNTURNED.
9:09:26AM YOU'LL FIND OUT HOW IN THE STORY HE SOLVED A MAJOR ARSON
9:09:33AM CASE.
9:09:34AM HE'S ASSIGNED TO DISTRICT 3.
9:09:35AM HE'S WORKED THROUGHOUT THE DEPARTMENT IN DIFFERENT ROLES.
9:09:37AM HE HAS AN EXTRAORDINARY WORK ETHIC.
9:09:39AM IT'S DISPLAYED EVERY DAY IN EVERY CASE HE DOES.
9:09:42AM THE MOST RECENT CASE THAT WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING TODAY IS OUR
9:09:45AM TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT BOMB SQUAD PERSONNEL.
9:09:48AM THEY DISCOVERED THAT AN ARSON HAD OCCURRED AT THEIR
9:09:51AM OPERATIONS CENTER.
9:09:52AM SO A PLETHORA OF RESOURCES WAS PUT INTO THIS.
9:09:56AM PERSONNEL WERE ASSIGNED TO INVESTIGATE THIS MATTER.
9:09:58AM AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, TAMPA FIRE RESCUE WAS INVOLVED.
9:10:01AM TPD PATROL UNITS, DETECTIVE CRIME SCENE TECHNICIANS.
9:10:05AM OF COURSE, OUR BOMB SQUAD, ALONG WITH SPECIAL AGENTS FROM
9:10:07AM THE FBI, BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, AND FIREARMS, ATF.
9:10:14AM SO YOU NAME IT.
9:10:15AM THIS WAS A BIG INVESTIGATION.
9:10:16AM WE IDENTIFIED A SUSPECT ON VIDEO.
9:10:19AM WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY GET THE ID, BUT HE HAD A SUSPECT ON VIDEO
9:10:22AM AND WE CREATED A BULLETIN.
9:10:25AM WE SHARED THAT BULLETIN.
9:10:27AM CORPORAL LETO IS ON HIS DAY OFF WORKING THE AMALIE ARENA
9:10:31AM GAME AND LOOKING AT HIS COMPUTER AND LOOKING AT THE
9:10:34AM BULLETINS, AND HE GOES THROUGH THE BULLETINS HE GOES, WAIT A
9:10:37AM MINUTE, I KNOW WHO THAT GUY IS.
9:10:39AM HE HAD ARRESTED THIS GUY EARLIER FOR ACTUALLY MESSING WITH A
9:10:44AM FIRE TRUCK.
9:10:45AM SO INSTANTLY HE'S PUTTING EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
9:10:48AM AND THAT'S WHEN HE IMMEDIATELY CONTACTED HIS COLLEAGUES TO
9:10:51AM LET THEM KNOW.
9:10:52AM SO HE ACTUALLY WENT BACK AND TOOK IT TO A NEXT LEVEL AND
9:10:56AM LOOKED AT BODY WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE FROM THE PRIOR ARREST TO
9:10:59AM SEE WHAT STATEMENTS, IF ANY, WERE MADE BY THE SUSPECT.
9:11:03AM HE MADE A STATEMENT AT THAT TIME, WHICH THE OFFICERS WEREN'T
9:11:06AM ABLE TO CORROBORATE OR HAVE, SAYING THAT HE WAS TALKING
9:11:09AM ABOUT BURNING DOWN A FIRE STATION.
9:11:11AM WELL, HE THOUGHT THAT FIRE STATION WAS A FIRE STATION, IN
9:11:14AM FACT, IT WAS OUR BOMB COMMAND CENTER.
9:11:16AM SO HIS DILIGENCE LED INVESTIGATORS TO, AGAIN, MAKING CONTACT
9:11:21AM WITH THAT SUSPECT AT JAIL WHERE HE WAS STILL BEING HELD AND
9:11:24AM HE CONFESSED TO THE CRIME.
9:11:27AM SO BY GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND ON HIS DAY OFF, HE SAVED
9:11:30AM DISTRICT 3 FROM EXTENDED HOURS AND RESOURCES THAT WOULD HAVE
9:11:33AM BEEN ABLE TO GO INTO THIS INVESTIGATION IN IDENTIFYING THE
9:11:36AM ARSON SUSPECT AND GETTING CHARGES.
9:11:38AM BECAUSE OF HIS EFFORTS, A DANGEROUS INDIVIDUAL IS OFF THE
9:11:42AM STREET AND FOR HIS TREMENDOUS CONTRIBUTIONS IN SOLVING THIS
9:11:46AM CASE, HE'S BEEN SELECTED AS OUR MARCH 2023 OFFICER OF THE
9:11:49AM MONTH.
9:11:49AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:11:56AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
9:11:57AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:11:57AM LET'S FIRST, BEFORE WE PRESENT THE COMMENDATION, HEAR FROM
9:12:02AM COUNCIL.
9:12:02AM WE'LL HEAR FROM SOME MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE HERE TO
9:12:05AM SALUTE YOUR WONDERFUL SERVICE.
9:12:07AM IF FOLKS WANT TO COME FORWARD, THEY MAY.
9:12:12AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
9:12:13AM MIKE McARTHUR, STEPP'S TOWING SERVICE.
9:12:16AM CONGRATULATIONS ON JOB WELL DONE.
9:12:18AM IT'S A LOT OF WORK YOU PUT INTO THIS.
9:12:20AM HAVE THE MEMORY TO GO BACK AND SOLVE A CRIME LIKE THIS IS
9:12:23AM HUGE FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING
9:12:26AM YOU'VE DONE.
9:12:26AM ON BEHALF OF TODD STEPP AND STEPP'S TOWING, LIKE TO PRESENT
9:12:30AM YOU WITH A GIFT CARD OUT FOR DINNER AND NIGHT OUT IN OUR
9:12:32AM COMPANY LIMOUSINE.
9:12:33AM GO AHEAD AND TAKE TIME OFF, ENJOY IT.
9:12:36AM YOU DESERVE IT.
9:12:37AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:12:41AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
9:12:43AM PETE BREVI ON BEHALF OF BUSCH GARDENS.
9:12:45AM AS I SAY EVERY MONTH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT
9:12:47AM OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AND MOST IMPORTANTLY FOR ALLOWING THE
9:12:49AM OTHER COMMUNITY PARTNERS AND MYSELF TO BE PART OF THIS
9:12:52AM PROCESS.
9:12:52AM BEFORE I TALK DIRECTLY TO VINNY, I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO
9:12:55AM KNOW VINNY, LIKE THE CHIEF SAID, FOR 20 YEARS.
9:12:57AM WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK ON SQUADS TOGETHER, BUT
9:13:00AM MENTIONED EARLIER, WE CAN TELL STORIES ABOUT VINNY PROBABLY
9:13:03AM JUST AS GOOD OR PROBABLY NOT BETTER THAN THE ONE THE CHIEF
9:13:06AM ALLUDED TO.
9:13:07AM HOWEVER, THE ONE THING I CAN SAY, VINNY IS A GREAT
9:13:10AM INVESTIGATOR.
9:13:11AM GREAT HUMAN BEING.
9:13:12AM CONSUMMATE FAMILY MAN.
9:13:14AM AND ON BEHALF OF BUSCH GARDENS, I WOULD LIKE -- HE COMES TO
9:13:17AM OUR PARKS ALL THE TIME.
9:13:18AM I KIND OF FEEL LESS THAN GIVING TO GIVE A GUY TICKETS TO A
9:13:23AM PARK THAT HE COMES TO ALL THE TIME.
9:13:24AM SO -- OR HE WORKS THERE, TOO.
9:13:28AM MAYBE ON BEHALF OF MIKE'S, HE GOES TO SEAWORLD ALL THE TIME,
9:13:33AM TOO.
9:13:33AM MAYBE MORE GIVING IF I COULD GIVE HIM TICKETS TO SEAWORLD
9:13:36AM AND MAYBE RIDE OVER THERE IN MIKE'S LIMO.
9:13:39AM [ LAUGHTER ]
9:13:39AM VINNY, ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AND BUSCH GARDENS, APPRECIATE ALL
9:13:42AM YOUR HARD WORK AND WHAT YOU DO FOR THE COMMUNITY.
9:13:44AM THANK YOU.
9:13:45AM OH, AND TICKETS YOU REALLY DON'T NEED.
9:13:48AM [ LAUGHTER ]
9:13:51AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
9:13:52AM LEAH, HERE ON BEHALF OF TAMPA THEATRE.
9:13:55AM OFFICER, ON BEHALF OF TAMPA THEATRE, I'M HONORED TO GIVE YOU
9:13:59AM THE GIFT OF A MEMBERSHIP TO YOU CAN COME AND VISIT US ON
9:14:02AM FRANKLIN STREET.
9:14:03AM AND WE HAVE CANDY FOR YOU, TOO.
9:14:04AM THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO IN OUR COMMUNITY.
9:14:07AM >> THANK YOU.
9:14:11AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
9:14:12AM GOOD MORNING, CORPORAL LETO.
9:14:14AM I'M GRACE GONZALEZ, HERE ON BEHALF OF THE GONZMART FAMILY
9:14:17AM AND 1905 FAMILY OF RESTAURANTS.
9:14:19AM WE WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATION TO THE CITY
9:14:24AM OF TAMPA AND EVERYBODY HERE.
9:14:25AM LIKE TO GIVE YOU THE GIFT CARD WHICH IS USABLE AT ANY OF THE
9:14:27AM 1905 FAMILY OF RESTAURANTS IN STATE OF FLORIDA, INCLUDING
9:14:32AM ULELE, GOODY GOODY, PLEASE ENJOY WITH YOUR FAMILY WHEN YOU
9:14:36AM GET A CHANCE.
9:14:37AM THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO.
9:14:38AM CONGRATULATIONS.
9:14:39AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:14:41AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
9:14:42AM MY NAME IS LEO GEARY.
9:14:45AM THIS IS GRACE THOMAS.
9:14:46AM HERE ON BEHALF OF BILL CURRIE FORD.
9:14:48AM WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU, CORPORAL LETO.
9:14:51AM I KNOW I DEAL WITH YOU ON A DAILY BASIS.
9:14:53AM I SEE HOW YOU ARE WITH ME, AND I JUST KNOW HOW YOU ARE
9:14:57AM WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
9:14:58AM SO WE TRULY APPRECIATE IT.
9:15:02AM FREE OIL CHANGE, YOUR PERSONAL VEHICLE, WE ARE ALSO GOING TO
9:15:06AM GIVE YOU $500 TOWARD YOUR NEXT VEHICLE PURCHASE.
9:15:10AM WE WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU A VEHICLE FOR THE WEEKEND OF YOUR
9:15:12AM CHOICE, 2023.
9:15:15AM GET WITH GRACE THOMAS AND SHE WILL GET YOU SET UP WITH THAT.
9:15:19AM >> THANK YOU.
9:15:34AM >> GOOD MORNING, MARY LOU BAILEY ON BEHALF OF ZOO TAMPA.
9:15:38AM I VOLUNTEER ON THE BOARD THERE.
9:15:40AM THE BOARD IS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF ALL OF THE POLICE AND THANK
9:15:43AM EVERYBODY FOR THEIR SERVICE.
9:15:44AM WE BOUGHT YOU A FAMILY MEMBERSHIP FOR THE YEAR.
9:15:48AM WE HOPE YOU ENJOY IT IN GOOD HEALTH AND COME TO LOVE AND
9:15:51AM PROTECT ANIMALS AS MUCH AS YOU PROTECT OUR CITIZENS IN THE
9:15:55AM COMMUNITY.
9:15:55AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING YOUR HEAD IN THE GAME AND
9:15:57AM TAKING CARE OF US AND GETTING THIS GUY OFF THE STREETS.
9:16:00AM CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU.
9:16:01AM ENJOY.
9:16:08AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
9:16:09AM BRIAN FORD WITH THE TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS.
9:16:11AM CHIEF.
9:16:13AM CORPORAL LETO, CONGRATULATIONS ON THIS RECOGNITION.
9:16:18AM IT'S MUCH DESERVED.
9:16:19AM ON BEHALF OF THE GLAZER FAMILY AND OUR ENTIRE ORGANIZATION,
9:16:22AM WE HAVE A LITTLE TRADITION AT ONE BUC, ANYBODY GOING OVER
9:16:25AM AND ABOVE GETS A GAME BALL.
9:16:27AM HEARING YOUR STORY, YOU DEFINITELY DESERVE THIS.
9:16:29AM I THANK YOU AND YOUR FAMILY FOR YOUR SACRIFICE, ALL THAT YOU
9:16:33AM DO FOR THE COMMUNITY.
9:16:35AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:16:35AM APPRECIATE IT.
9:16:39AM >> GOOD MORNING, SIR.
9:16:41AM CONGRATULATIONS.
9:16:42AM YOU RELATED TO THE SAM LETO FAMILY?
9:16:45AM >> PROBABLY.
9:16:46AM >> PROBABLY.
9:16:47AM [ LAUGHTER ]
9:16:47AM WELL, THEY ARE AN INSTITUTION IN TAMPA.
9:16:52AM MY NAME IS STEVE MICHELINI.
9:16:53AM I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF A VARIETY OF CORPORATE CLIENTS WHO
9:16:57AM WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH SOME GIFT CERTIFICATES.
9:17:00AM THE LETO FAMILY IS WELL-KNOWN IN TAMPA AND HAS BEEN FOR A
9:17:02AM LONG, LONG TIME.
9:17:03AM AND THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS TOWARD MAKING TAMPA A BETTER PLACE.
9:17:06AM ON BEHALF OF THE CICCIO'S RESTAURANT GROUP, PROVIDING YOU
9:17:11AM WITH A GIFT CERTIFICATE SO YOU CAN ENJOY YOURSELF AT ONE OF
9:17:14AM THEIR RESTAURANTS FOR BREAKFAST, LUNCH, OR DINNER.
9:17:17AM ON BEHALF OF THE MEAT MARKET AND OLD HYDE PARK, WE'RE
9:17:20AM PROVIDING YOU A GIFT CERTIFICATE TO ENJOY YOURSELF OVER
9:17:22AM THERE FOR LUNCH OR DINNER.
9:17:23AM ON BEHALF OF THE YUMMY HOUSE CHINA BISTRO, PROVIDING WITH
9:17:29AM YOU A GIFT CERTIFICATE TO ENJOY YOURSELF THERE.
9:17:31AM ON BEHALF OF BELLABRAVA, WHICH IS IN THE MIDTOWN SECTION,
9:17:34AM WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE WITH YOU A GIFT CERTIFICATE TO ENJOY
9:17:36AM YOURSELF THERE FOR LUNCH OR DINNER.
9:17:38AM CONGRATULATIONS.
9:17:39AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:17:46AM >>LUIS VIERA: LAST, BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, OUR FRIENDS AT
9:17:48AM THE STRAZ CENTER COULDN'T BE HERE.
9:17:51AM THEY ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO GIVE YOU A GIFT THAT INCLUDES,
9:17:54AM THAT YOU MAY CLAIM TWO TICKETS AT ANY ONE OF THE FOLLOWING
9:17:57AM SHOWS, INCLUDING SHEER MADNESS, JOSEPHINE, MEN ARE FROM
9:18:00AM MARS, WOMEN ARE FROM VENUS LIVE.
9:18:04AM FROM OUR FRIENDS AT THE STRAZ CENTER, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:18:07AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:18:08AM IT IS MY GREAT PLEASURE ON BEHALF OF A VERY GRATEFUL TAMPA
9:18:13AM CITY COUNCIL TO PRESENT TO YOU SIR OUR TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
9:18:16AM COMMENDATION FOR BEING OFFICER OF THE MONTH.
9:18:19AM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
9:18:20AM THANK YOU, SIR.
9:18:20AM HERE YOU GO.
9:18:21AM IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, YOU MAY.
9:18:23AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:18:28AM >> IT'S A VERY BIG, I MEAN, HUGE HONOR TO RECEIVE THIS.
9:18:33AM A LOT OF HARD WORK GOES IN HAD EVERY SINGLE DAY FROM ALL OF
9:18:36AM OUR OFFICERS OUT THERE ON THE STREET.
9:18:40AM I DEFINITELY THANK THE SUPPORT OF MY SUPERVISORS AND OUR
9:18:43AM STAFF HERE AT TAMPA POLICE AND ALSO THE SUPPORT OF OUR CITY
9:18:49AM COUNCIL.
9:18:49AM THANK YOU.
9:18:50AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:18:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:18:56AM >>BILL CARLSON: I KNOW THIS WILL SOUND HOKEY, BUT I USED TO
9:18:59AM WATCH 24.
9:19:00AM THAT STORY SOUNDED LIKE A JACK BAUER THING.
9:19:04AM THANK YOU FOR BEING A HERO IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THANK GOD WE
9:19:07AM HAVE PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO CAN BE THOROUGH AND THINK AHEAD
9:19:13AM EVEN WHEN YOU'RE NOT ON DUTY.
9:19:14AM THANK YOU.
9:19:15AM PLEASE KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AND THANK YOU FOR BEING AN
9:19:18AM INSPIRATION TO EVERYBODY.
9:19:19AM >> THANK YOU.
9:19:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CONGRATULATIONS, THANK YOU.
9:19:22AM YOU'RE QUICK THINKING AND RESPONSE SAVED A LOT OF PEOPLE A
9:19:25AM LOT OF TROUBLE.
9:19:26AM AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S FOLKS LIKE YOU THAT MAKE US PROUD, AND
9:19:31AM WE'RE GLAD THAT YOU ARE HERE SERVING OUR COMMUNITY.
9:19:33AM WE THANK YOU EVERY TIME YOU PUT ON THE UNIFORM.
9:19:35AM SO CONGRATULATIONS.
9:19:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:19:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK: CONGRATULATIONS.
9:19:38AM I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT INTERIM CHIEF
9:19:44AM MENTIONED THE AMOUNT OF MANPOWER AND MONEY AND TIME THAT WAS
9:19:49AM ALSO SAVED BY THIS WHICH I THOUGHT WAS AN INTERESTING TAKE.
9:19:53AM WE'RE REALLY GRATEFUL THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE THAT
9:19:57AM PERPETRATOR AND FIND HIM QUICKLY SO THAT HE DIDN'T BURN DOWN
9:20:02AM MORE FIRE STATIONS AND COST MORE TIME, EFFORT, AND ENERGY.
9:20:06AM THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK.
9:20:08AM WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR SERVING.
9:20:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:20:15AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DID AS FAR AS THE
9:20:18AM INVESTIGATION WORK, BEING AT A SITE AND IDENTIFYING, GOING
9:20:23AM THE EXTRA, A LOT OF GUYS WOULDN'T GO THE EXTRA BUT YOU WENT
9:20:27AM THE EXTRA.
9:20:28AM WE APPRECIATE THAT.
9:20:29AM BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF EQUIPMENT THAT WOULD HAVE COST THE
9:20:31AM CITY A LOT OF MONEY TO REPLACE.
9:20:32AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE.
9:20:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:20:35AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:20:36AM WHAT CAN I SAY, OFFICER LETO?
9:20:40AM I KNOW YOU'RE FROM YBOR CITY.
9:20:42AM MY PRIOR CONVERSATION WITH YOU EARLIER THIS MORNING, AND
9:20:45AM MENTIONED BEFORE, I DON'T KNOW OF ONE LETO THAT'S NOT
9:20:48AM RELATED TO THE OTHER BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL OVER YBOR CITY,
9:20:51AM FROM SAM TO SALLY TO MARY TO ALBERT, TO ALL OF THEM.
9:20:54AM THEY WERE MAINLY WORKING IN DIFFERENT JOBS.
9:20:58AM SOME IN THE POST OFFICE, SOME DOING OTHER GOOD WORK FOR THE
9:21:02AM COMMUNITY.
9:21:02AM BUT IN YOUR CASE, YOU SIMPLIFY SOMETHING THAT I MENTION ONCE
9:21:07AM IN A WHILE.
9:21:08AM WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE UNDERSTANDING.
9:21:11AM IT'S WHAT IF.
9:21:12AM FEW LITTLE WORDS.
9:21:13AM WHAT IF YOU HADN'T NOTICED THAT?
9:21:16AM WHEN I HAVE THINGS BEFORE ME THAT I HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION
9:21:18AM AND THE PUBLIC IS LISTENING AND I TELL THEM, WHAT IF WE'RE
9:21:21AM WRONG?
9:21:21AM SOMETIMES I TELL THEM IT'S NOT THE RIGHT THING TO DO, BUT
9:21:28AM BECAUSE THE WHAT IF TELLS ME THAT THERE'S MORE DANGER THAN
9:21:31AM THERE IS PLEASANTRY FOR THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY.
9:21:35AM AND IN YOUR CASE, YOU HAD THE TIME TO LOOK AT IT, BUT, MORE
9:21:39AM IMPORTANTLY, JUST TO SAY, WELL, IT'S ANOTHER CASE.
9:21:42AM YOU LOOKED AT IT AND REALIZED AND YOUR MIND, THE WHAT IF YOU
9:21:47AM STAYED UP THERE.
9:21:48AM WHAT IF YOU NEVER SAW THAT GENTLEMAN AGAIN?
9:21:51AM BUT AT THAT TIME, THAT WHAT-IF KICKED IN AND YOU PUT A FACE
9:21:57AM WITH THE BODY AND A BODY WITH THE CRIME AND THEREFORE YOU
9:21:59AM WERE ABLE TO DO WHAT YOU COULD DO AND YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT
9:22:02AM STANDING BEHIND YOU TO DO WHAT THEY HAD TO DO, AND IT WAS
9:22:06AM SOLVED BEFORE THEY DID ANY BODILY HARM OR EVEN KILLING SOME
9:22:10AM PEOPLE.
9:22:10AM TO THAT, WE SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE,
9:22:13AM AND THE WHAT-IFS WILL ALWAYS BE WITH ME AND WITH YOU.
9:22:16AM THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.
9:22:17AM >> VERY WELCOME.
9:22:18AM THANK YOU.
9:22:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU, AND THANK YOU FOR
9:22:21AM YOUR HARD WORK AND YOUR DILIGENCE, FOR THE CITIZENS OF
9:22:23AM TAMPA.
9:22:24AM PART OF BEING THE FAMILY OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:22:29AM WELL DONE, SIR.
9:22:30AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:22:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:22:44AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WITH COUNCIL'S INDULGENCE, I WOULD LIKE
9:22:47AM TO DO A SPECIAL PRESENTATION TO SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN WORKING
9:22:50AM FOR THE CITY FOR YEARS.
9:22:52AM [INAUDIBLE]
9:22:58AM I DON'T KNOW IF NO ONE YESTERDAY, TODAY, MAYBE IN THE FUTURE
9:23:02AM FOR TOMORROW THAT WILL WORK FOR 60 YEARS AT ONE LOCATION.
9:23:06AM AND SHE'S DONE THIS, SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MARY BRYAN COME
9:23:09AM IN SO I CAN MAKE A SPECIAL PRESENTATION ON 60 YEARS OF
9:23:12AM SERVICE.
9:23:13AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:23:29AM >> JOY.
9:23:30AM WEREN'T WE JUST DOING THIS, LYNN?
9:23:34AM >> JUST YESTERDAY.
9:23:34AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WELL, YOU KNOW I DON'T EVEN KNOW MARY
9:23:40AM WELL BECAUSE SHE WORKS SO HARD SHE DOESN'T HAVE TIME FOR ME.
9:23:44AM BUT LET ME JUST SAY THIS.
9:23:47AM 60 YEARS SEEMS LIKE A LONG TIME WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT ON
9:23:51AM PAPER, BUT 60 YEARS REALLY GOES BY KIND OF QUICKLY WHEN
9:23:54AM YOU'RE WORKING.
9:23:55AM AND SHE HAS BEEN IN MANY, MANY DIFFERENT SITUATIONS, I'LL
9:24:00AM LET HER EXPLAIN THIS.
9:24:01AM I ASKED HER EARLIER YESTERDAY WHEN I WAS ON THE PHONE, I
9:24:04AM COULD NOT GO TO THE FESTIVITY YESTERDAY BECAUSE I HAD A
9:24:09AM COMMITMENT AND WE WERE WANTING TO, WHERE I WORK AT AND I HAD
9:24:13AM TO BE THERE.
9:24:14AM BUT THIS THING OF PRESENTATIONS MEAN A LOT, AND I'M SURE
9:24:19AM THIS ONE MEANS A LOT NOT ONLY TO MARY BUT TO OTHER
9:24:22AM INDIVIDUALS IN THE CITY WHO HAVE BEEN WORKING 35 AND 40
9:24:25AM YEARS.
9:24:26AM AND THE REASON WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IS NOT PART BECAUSE
9:24:30AM OF THE GOVERNMENT THAT THEY ARE IN, IT'S BECAUSE WHAT EACH
9:24:33AM INDIVIDUAL DOES TO MAKE THAT GOVERNMENT BETTER.
9:24:35AM AND SHE IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE 40
9:24:39AM SOME HUNDRED EMPLOYEES IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:24:41AM IF I MAY, MARY, READ THIS TO YOU.
9:24:44AM TAMPA CITY COUNCIL IS PROUD TO RECOGNIZE ONE OF OUR OWN,
9:24:47AM MARY BRYAN, CITY OF TAMPA'S LONGEST SERVING EMPLOYEE, FOR
9:24:51AM BEING A RECIPIENT OF THE JOSEPH HOWARD STAFFORD MEMORIAL
9:24:55AM AWARD, JOSEPHINE HOWARD STAFFORD MEMORIAL AWARD.
9:25:00AM HERE IS ANOTHER LADY WHO EXEMPLIFIED THE THINGS.
9:25:02AM SHE WAS NOT JUST AN ATTORNEY THAT WOULD LOOK AT SOMETHING,
9:25:05AM SHE WAS A LADY WHO LOOKED AT IT, IF A COMMA WAS OUT OF
9:25:08AM PLACE, SHE WOULD CALL YOU IN AND SAY A COMMA IS OUT OF
9:25:11AM PLACE.
9:25:12AM AND SHE WAS A PERFECTIONIST.
9:25:14AM I THINK THAT'S WHY THE AWARD WAS GIVEN TO HER.
9:25:17AM NOT ONLY A PERFECTIONIST, A DAMN GOOD PERSON AND FANTASTIC
9:25:20AM LAWYER.
9:25:21AM MARY BRYAN STARTED HER WORK IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AT AGE 17.
9:25:24AM SERVED 60 YEARS WORKING IN URBAN RENEWAL TO SERVING IN THE
9:25:37AM CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THEN CITY COUNCIL.
9:25:39AM SHE HAS WORKED UNDER 11 MAYORS.
9:25:44AM >> SOME BETTER THAN OTHERS.
9:25:45AM LOVE THIS ONE.
9:25:49AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE AGAIN, SHE DOESN'T WANT TO ACCEPT
9:25:51AM ANYTHING I SAY.
9:25:52AM THROUGHOUT EACH POSITION SHE HAS SERVED THE CITIZENS OF
9:25:55AM TAMPA AND TOP CITY LEADERS WITH GREAT DILIGENCE AND
9:25:57AM EXCEPTIONAL CARE.
9:25:58AM OVER THE YEARS, MARY HAS WORKED TO HELP SAFEGUARD THE CITY
9:26:01AM THAT SHE LIVES, ASSISTED COUNTLESS CITIZENS OF CONSTITUENT
9:26:05AM MATTERS, DRAFTING ENUMERABLE COMMENDATIONS AND SERVED AT
9:26:08AM CITY HALL CHIEF HOLIDAY DECORATOR, DECORATES EVERY OFFICE,
9:26:17AM GET TO WORK, FORGET ABOUT CHRISTMAS, SOMEBODY ELSE WILL HELP
9:26:20AM YOU BUT SHE WILL NOT TAKE THAT.
9:26:21AM SIMPLY PUT, SHE HAS SERVED THE CITY LONGER THAN ANYONE IN
9:26:25AM THE HISTORY OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:26:26AM AND FOR THAT REASON ONLY, BUT THIS OTHER REASON, BECAUSE I
9:26:29AM CALLED HER WHEN I GO OUT ON THE STREETS, SHE KNOWS I GO OUT
9:26:33AM ON THE STREET BECAUSE I HAVE FOUR OR FIVE WRINKLED PIECES OF
9:26:37AM PAPER AND SAY, THEY NEED SOME HELP.
9:26:39AM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVER GOT BIT BY A ROTTWEILER, BUT WHEN
9:26:44AM YOU GIVE HER SOMETHING TO DO THAT CONCERNS CONSTITUENCIES,
9:26:49AM SHE WILL GRAB INTO THAT AND NOT LEAVE IT UNTIL SOME DECISION
9:26:52AM IS MADE.
9:26:53AM FOR THAT, I SAY, MARY, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.
9:26:56AM THANK YOU FOR THE PERSON YOU ARE.
9:26:58AM AND MY APOLOGIES IF I'VE EVER DONE ANYTHING TO HURT YOUR
9:27:01AM FEELINGS.
9:27:03AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:27:17AM >> THANK YOU.
9:27:22AM PUTTING MY PICTURE ON Facebook AGAIN.
9:27:24AM I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS.
9:27:27AM MY FIRST ONE.
9:27:28AM I'VE WRITTEN THOUSANDS OF THEM, BUT THIS IS MY FIRST ONE.
9:27:31AM BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ALL OF YOU.
9:27:32AM I MEAN IT.
9:27:33AM YESTERDAY WAS TRAUMATIC.
9:27:38AM I'VE NEVER GIVEN A SPEECH IN MY WHOLE LIFE AND NOW I'M
9:27:41AM HAVING TO TRY TO TALK TO YOU ALL AND I TALK TO YOU EVERY
9:27:44AM DAY.
9:27:45AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:27:45AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:27:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AT THIS TIME, WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:28:04AM CHIEF.
9:28:14AM >> THIS MORNING, GOOD MORNING AGAIN, JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF
9:28:16AM STAFF.
9:28:17AM GOOD MORNING TO THE PUBLIC.
9:28:18AM I WAS IN EARLY THIS MORNING AND MR. ROBERTS CAME UP AND
9:28:21AM INTRODUCED HIMSELF TO ME.
9:28:23AM HE'D NEVER BEEN IN A CITY COUNCIL ENVIRONMENT.
9:28:25AM HE HAS A VISION, A LIFETIME CITY OF TAMPA RESIDENT.
9:28:30AM I WANT TO INTRODUCE HIM TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT PROCESS.
9:28:32AM THIS IS DEVAUGHN ROBERTS.
9:28:35AM HE IS INTERESTED IN OUR WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, INTERESTED IN
9:28:40AM EQUAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY AND FEW OTHER THINGS.
9:28:42AM IT'S HIS PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I WANTED TO BREAK THE ICE FOR
9:28:44AM HIM SO HE COULD INTRODUCE HIMSELF.
9:28:46AM THANK YOU.
9:28:46AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:28:48AM HOW ARE YOU DOING?
9:28:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GOOD MORNING.
9:28:49AM >> DEVAUGHN ROBERTS.
9:28:51AM I WON'T TAKE TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME.
9:28:53AM GIVE YOU A BRIEF INSIGHT, I HAVE A PLATFORM CALLED TAMPA
9:28:58AM NEXT.
9:28:58AM MY GOAL IS TO BRING UNITY BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO
9:29:03AM CIRCULATE THE DOLLAR BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
9:29:05AM I'M A TAMPA NATIVE BORN AND RAISED, SO A LOT OF BUSINESSES
9:29:08AM AND STUFF THAT I GREW UP ON IS NO LONGER HERE.
9:29:12AM I WANT TO KEEP THE BUSINESSES HERE BUT ALSO FOCUS ON THE
9:29:14AM YOUTH.
9:29:15AM THE YOUTH DON'T HAVE THE PROPER RESOURCES AS WELL AS THE
9:29:18AM SMALL BUSINESSES THAT HAVE STARTED.
9:29:22AM WHEN I WAS A KID BACK IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WE HAD JA
9:29:26AM ENTERPRISE.
9:29:27AM NOT SURE IF YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT, FAMILIAR WITH THAT, OR
9:29:29AM HEARD ABOUT IT, BUT THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO FOURTH AND
9:29:32AM FIFTH GRADERS LIKE ME COMING UP.
9:29:34AM BECAUSE STILL TO THIS DAY, I CAN REMEMBER HOW TO BALANCE MY
9:29:37AM CHECKBOOK, WRITE IN MY CHECKBOOK, EVEN USE A CHECKBOOK.
9:29:43AM I DON'T EVEN HAVE A CHECKBOOK RIGHT NOW.
9:29:45AM THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT I STILL REMEMBER
9:29:47AM TO THIS DAY.
9:29:48AM I'M NOT SURE IF YOU STILL IMPLEMENT THE ENTERPRISE TO FOURTH
9:29:51AM AND FIFTH GRADERS, BUT I HOPE YOU STILL CONTINUE THAT.
9:29:58AM ALSO, I WANT TO JUST BRING BACK THE INTRODUCTION THAT I
9:30:04AM SAID.
9:30:05AM BRING BACK UNITY INTO THE COMMUNITY BUT ALSO CIRCULATE THE
9:30:08AM DOLLAR BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY.
9:30:09AM A LOT OF BUSINESSES ARE NOT HERE, BUT I WANT TO KEEP THOSE
9:30:13AM HERE.
9:30:13AM IF WE HAVE THE PROPER RESOURCES WITH THE UMBRELLA AND THE
9:30:15AM NETWORK AND WE ENGAGE AND WE HELP THE SMALL BUSINESSES AND
9:30:20AM WE JUST NETWORK WITH THEM AND GIVE THEM THE RESOURCES, THESE
9:30:24AM BUSINESSES THAT WERE HERE WHEN WE STARTED WILL ALSO BE HERE.
9:30:27AM AND THE INFLATION MIGHT NOT BE AS HIGH AS WELL EITHER.
9:30:30AM IF WE WORK TOGETHER, WE STAND TALL AS A UNIT.
9:30:36AM AND THAT'S THE MAIN THING THAT WE'RE LACKING IN THE
9:30:38AM COMMUNITY.
9:30:38AM WE DON'T STAND TOGETHER FOR BUSINESSES OR JUST RESOURCES AND
9:30:42AM THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN THE COMMUNITY.
9:30:44AM STUFF HAPPENS, BUT I SEE IT'S TOO LATE.
9:30:48AM WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO ABOUT IT.
9:30:50AM IF WE CHANGE THAT NARRATIVE AND CIRCULATE THE DOLLAR AND
9:30:53AM REALLY SUPPORT EACH OTHER, WE WOULD STAND TALL IN UNITY THIS
9:30:57AM YEAR.
9:30:57AM THANK YOU.
9:30:58AM I DON'T WANT TO TAKE TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME.
9:31:00AM THANK YOU.
9:31:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
9:31:02AM ANYONE WISHING TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME?
9:31:06AM WOULD YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD.
9:31:27AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:31:28AM MENTESNOT.
9:31:29AM UHURU.
9:31:31AM UHURU MEANS FREEDOM IN SWAHILI.
9:31:34AM WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE SHOULD ALWAYS BE THINKING ABOUT OUR
9:31:37AM FREEDOM.
9:31:37AM BECAUSE FOR THE PAST 623 YEARS, WE'VE HAD NO FREEDOM.
9:31:40AM IT'S GETTING WORSE.
9:31:41AM IT'S NOT GETTING BETTER.
9:31:43AM THEY LIKE TO EDUCATE US IN THE FORM THAT, HEY, YOU CAME FROM
9:31:47AM A COTTON PLANTATION, YOU ACTUALLY CAME FROM A NON-CIVILIZED
9:31:52AM PLACE, AND WE SHOULD BE HAPPY THAT WE WERE BROUGHT TO
9:31:55AM AMERICA AND PUT IN THE SLAVERY.
9:31:58AM OUR CIVILIZATION BEGAN ON A COTTON PLANTATION.
9:32:02AM AND THAT'S NOT THE CASE, BUT I'M NOT A CULTURAL NATIONALIST,
9:32:08AM HISTORIAN OR ANTHROPOLOGIST.
9:32:10AM THOSE THINGS AREN'T BIG THINGS TO ME, THE THINGS THAT MATTER
9:32:13AM IN OUR LIFE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE IS BE A FREE AND
9:32:15AM SELF-DETERMINATE PEOPLE, TO HAVE CONTROL OF OUR POLITICAL,
9:32:19AM ECONOMIC, AND SOCIAL STRUCTURES.
9:32:20AM AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IS NOT ONLY IN THIS CITY, BUT IN
9:32:24AM OTHER CITIES, THAT AFRICAN PEOPLE ARE UNDER SEVERE ATTACK,
9:32:28AM WHERE WE ARE BEING FORCED INTO A FORM OF GENOCIDE BY THIS
9:32:34AM PRISON BUILDUP, THE TREATMENT WE RECEIVE, POLICE VIOLENCE,
9:32:42AM HEALTH CARE VIOLENCE, EDUCATION VIOLENCE, AND EVERY
9:32:48AM INSTITUTION, EVERY INSTITUTION IS SET UP TO WORK AGAINST THE
9:32:51AM AFRICAN.
9:32:52AM GOVERNMENT IS SET UP TO WORK AGAINST THE AFRICAN.
9:32:56AM EVERYWHERE WE GO, THERE'S A PROBLEM.
9:33:00AM AND IT'S CALLED SKIN COLOR DISCRIMINATION.
9:33:02AM AND WE FACE IT EACH AND EVERY DAY OF OUR LIVES.
9:33:04AM WE FACE IT IN THIS CITY, LIKE IN ANY OTHER CITIES.
9:33:10AM AND THAT'S WHAT THIS CITY COUNCIL HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO.
9:33:13AM WE CAN'T JUST KEEP SAYING THAT IT'S INCUMBENT UPON ONE
9:33:19AM REPRESENTATIVE THAT WE HAVE.
9:33:20AM IT'S INCUMBENT UPON THIS CITY COUNCIL TO DO SOMETHING THAT
9:33:24AM WE'RE 26% OF THE POPULATION, AND IT'S INCUMBENT ON THIS
9:33:28AM ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR AND OTHER INDIVIDUALS IN
9:33:30AM GOVERNMENT TO DO SOMETHING TO ASSIST THAT 26% OF THE
9:33:34AM POPULATION IN MAINTAINING ECONOMIC, POLITICAL, AND SOCIAL
9:33:39AM STABILITY.
9:33:40AM EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK, AFRICAN PEOPLE HAVE PROBLEMS.
9:33:44AM SEVERE PROBLEMS.
9:33:46AM PUTTING US ON THE BRINK OF EXTINCTION IN A CERTAIN WAY, AND
9:33:51AM THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT HAVE TO CHANGE.
9:33:53AM WE HAVE TO KNOW THAT IF WE'RE DISCUSSING ANYTHING, IT HAVE
9:33:59AM TO BE REPARATIONS.
9:34:00AM IT MUST BE REPARATIONS.
9:34:02AM WE CAN'T BE STUCK ON THESE INDIVIDUAL PROBLEMS, THESE
9:34:08AM COMMUNITY PROBLEMS OR WHATNOT.
9:34:10AM AFRICAN PEOPLE HAVE BIG PROBLEMS.
9:34:12AM AND THIS CITY OWE US REPARATIONS.
9:34:14AM WE'VE BEEN BETWEEN 26 AND 32% OF THE POPULATION, AND WE'RE
9:34:18AM DESERVING OF 26 TO 32% OF THE CITY'S BUDGET.
9:34:21AM RETROACTIVELY.
9:34:25AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:34:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
9:34:34AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:34:36AM CONNIE BURTON.
9:34:37AM WELL, I WANTED TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE WE ARE AT
9:34:45AM THAT VOTING SEASON TO SAY IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE FOR FOUR
9:34:50AM YEARS TO BE ABLE TO COME AND SHARE WITH YOU THE CONCERNS OF
9:34:56AM OUR COMMUNITY AND TO SAY TO THIS COMMUNITY THAT ANY
9:35:02AM RECOMMENDATIONS COMING FROM THE MAYOR AS TO THE SELECTION OF
9:35:06AM WHO SHOULD REPRESENT OUR COMMUNITY SHOULD BE REJECTED.
9:35:10AM THAT IT IS THIS COMMUNITY THAT HAS TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE ARE
9:35:18AM TO SURVIVE CANNOT BE BASED ON A POLITICAL AGENDA OF OTHERS.
9:35:23AM ITEM NUMBER 15 SHOULD BE FRONT AND CENTER.
9:35:28AM FOR THOSE THAT WILL REASSUME THEIR POSITION NEXT WEEK, THAT
9:35:35AM AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOUSING FOR EVERYONE TO MAKE THIS
9:35:38AM CITY SEAMLESS.
9:35:40AM RIGHT HERE DOWN AT CENTRAL PARK VILLAGE, THERE WAS ONCE A
9:35:44AM HOUSING COMPLEX.
9:35:46AM YOU TALK ABOUT WEST RIVER.
9:35:48AM YOU GO DOWN THERE AND ALL YOU SEE IS CONSTRUCTION.
9:35:51AM YOU SEE VERY FEW PEOPLE.
9:35:53AM BUT RIGHT THERE AT CENTRAL PARK VILLAGE AT THE NAVARRA,
9:35:59AM APARTMENTS STARTING AT $1800, ESCALATING UP TO $4,000 A
9:36:03AM MONTH.
9:36:03AM IT'S NOT REAL.
9:36:05AM AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 15 IN TERMS OF WHAT
9:36:10AM PROPERTY THAT THE CITY OWN, THERE ARE SO MANY WONDERFUL WAYS
9:36:14AM IN WHICH THIS CITY COULD BE WELCOMING NEW IDEAS, BUT THE
9:36:19AM REJECTION OF DEVELOPERS AND THOSE THAT HAVE OTHER AGENDAS TO
9:36:23AM PUSH BLACK PEOPLE OUT.
9:36:25AM NOW, IS IT INTENTIONAL?
9:36:28AM YES, BECAUSE IF WE CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE, KNOWING THAT
9:36:33AM WE NEED TO HAVE STABILITY, IT IS A DIRECT ATTACK AGAINST
9:36:37AM POOR AND WORKING CLASS PEOPLE.
9:36:39AM AND I AM HOPING THAT WHEN YOU REASSEMBLE BACK HERE NEXT
9:36:45AM WEEK, THAT BECOMES YOUR PRIME MISSION, THAT WHEN WE WATCH
9:36:49AM THE HANNA STREET PROJECT THAT'S MOVING WITH LIGHTNING SPEED,
9:36:54AM LESS THAN A YEAR AND A HALF WITHOUT A TRAFFIC STUDY, THE
9:36:59AM DECISION WAS MADE TO BUILD THAT BIG ENTITY BACK THERE AND IT
9:37:06AM CAN BE DONE.
9:37:06AM SO IF WE HAVE A LOT OF ABANDONED PROPERTIES THAT THE CITY
9:37:10AM OWN, IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY HOPEFULLY TO SEE IT IN A WAY
9:37:16AM IN WHICH THE COMMUNITY IS SEEING AND ASKING FOR RELIEF.
9:37:19AM WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT IS BASED ON WAGES, NOT BASED
9:37:23AM ON DEVELOPERS' WISHES.
9:37:25AM WE HEAR WHAT THE MARKET IS SAYING, BUT IF THE CITY OWN THE
9:37:29AM PROPERTY, WE ARE HOPING THAT THE WINNERS OF THE CONTEST OF
9:37:33AM THE -- OF THIS ELECTION WILL MOVE WITH THE DESIRES AND THE
9:37:39AM HOPES OF THE PEOPLE.
9:37:40AM AND CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL OF YOU.
9:37:41AM THANK YOU.
9:37:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
9:37:53AM >> HOPE YOU ALL DON'T START THE CLOCK ON ME UNTIL I GET UP
9:37:56AM HERE.
9:37:57AM YOU KNOW, MYSELF AND SOME OF THE OTHERS HAVE BEEN COMING
9:38:03AM DOWN HERE YEAR AFTER YEAR, TRYING TO GET THE CITY ON WHAT
9:38:09AM YOU ARE GOING TO DO TO HELP US.
9:38:11AM BUT YOU ALL DON'T GIVE A DAMN.
9:38:13AM LIFETIME I'VE BEEN HERE, THREE, FOUR MONTHS AGO THAT I
9:38:24AM LEARNED, RUN FOR MAYOR.
9:38:28AM I THINK HE'S GOING TO RUN FOR HIS OWN POSITION BECAUSE THE
9:38:32AM MAYOR AIN'T DOING ENOUGH FOR PEOPLE OF COLOR.
9:38:35AM THEY GOT THOSE RETENTION PONDS OUT THERE IN BELMONT HEIGHTS,
9:38:40AM JACKSON HEIGHTS.
9:38:41AM YOU DON'T SEE THEM DOWNTOWN NOWHERE.
9:38:43AM THERE SHOULD BE ONE RIGHT HERE.
9:38:46AM THERE SHOULD BE A RETENTION POND.
9:38:49AM BECAUSE YOU ALL DON'T DO THE RIGHT THING TO HELP PEOPLE OF
9:38:53AM COLOR.
9:38:53AM AND PEOPLE OF COLOR DON'T SEEM TO COMPLAIN BECAUSE THEY FEEL
9:38:59AM THEY AIN'T GOT NO VOICE.
9:39:01AM THEY DON'T HAVE A VOICE, NOT WHEN THEY COME DOWN HERE.
9:39:03AM WE GOT THAT OLD UGLY MAYOR RUNNING FOR ANOTHER FOUR YEARS,
9:39:09AM AND THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING -- YOU NEED TO RUN.
9:39:13AM WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE SAYING AND KNOWING
9:39:18AM WHAT THEY ARE DOING FOR PEOPLE, NOT JUST PEOPLE OF COLOR,
9:39:21AM BUT ALL PEOPLE.
9:39:25AM TREAT US LIKE WE ARE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES OF
9:39:29AM AMERICA.
9:39:31AM ONCE YOU TREAT US LIKE THAT, WE AIN'T GOT NO COMPLAINT.
9:39:36AM GOT NO COMPLAINT WHATSOEVER.
9:39:38AM BUT WHEN PEOPLE CARE LESS ABOUT ME, I LET THEM KNOW I CARE
9:39:45AM LESS ABOUT THEM.
9:39:47AM WE ALWAYS TRY TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT.
9:39:49AM BUT PEOPLE DON'T WANT US TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT.
9:39:51AM I GOT ABOUT 25 MINISTERS GOING UP TO WASHINGTON, D.C. AND
9:40:01AM CHALLENGE THE SUPREME COURT.
9:40:06AM WE WANT TO PUT PRAYER BACK IN SCHOOL AND KEEP MURDERERS OUT
9:40:14AM OF THERE.
9:40:16AM WHEN THEY TOOK PRAYER OUT OF SCHOOL, THEY TOOK OUT THE BIBLE
9:40:21AM LECTURES AND ALL THAT.
9:40:22AM AND THEY LET THE MURDERER WALK IN THERE.
9:40:25AM WHAT KIND OF JOY CAN GET OUT OF KILLING INNOCENT CHILDREN.
9:40:36AM WHAT KIND OF JOY?
9:40:38AM DON'T RING THAT BELL ON ME.
9:40:39AM LET ME SAY WHAT I GOT TO SAY.
9:40:41AM ANY OF YOU ALL CAN UNDERSTAND, IN CONNECTICUT, WHAT GIVES
9:40:50AM SOMEBODY AUTHORITY TO KILL INNOCENT CHILDREN GOING TO
9:40:52AM SCHOOL.
9:40:53AM ALSO IN TEXAS, THEY DID THE SAME THING.
9:40:55AM AND THESE ARE WHITE BOYS.
9:40:57AM THESE ARE NOT BLACK BOYS WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT THEIR FOOT
9:41:00AM ON THE NECK AND THE KNEE ON THE NECK AND CHOKE THEM OUT.
9:41:04AM THESE ARE WHITE BOYS.
9:41:08AM BEEN TO THE SCHOOL AND -- THANK YOU.
9:41:11AM I'M GOING TO SIT DOWN BECAUSE I KNOW YOU ALL DON'T WANT TO
9:41:16AM DO NOTHING FOR ME AND DON'T WANT TO DO NOTHING FOR PEOPLE OF
9:41:19AM COLOR, BUT YOU ALL GOT TO UNDERSTAND, WE ARE TAXPAYERS JUST
9:41:23AM LIKE YOU ALL ARE.
9:41:24AM AND GOD HAVE MERCY ON ALL OF US.
9:41:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE IN CHAMBERS WHO
9:41:35AM WISHES TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT?
9:41:37AM >> CAN YOU GIVE ME ANOTHER THREE MINUTES?
9:41:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. RANDOLPH, ARE YOU ON THE LINE?
9:41:48AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:41:49AM MY NAME IS -- HELLO?
9:41:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, SIR.
9:41:53AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:41:54AM MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
9:41:56AM I'M WITH THE WEST TAMPA CDC.
9:41:58AM I WANT TO START OFF BY GIVING OUR FIRST COMMUNITY HERO AWARD
9:42:05AM TO JONES WITH THE WEST RIVER CRIME -- WEST RIVERVIEW CRIME.
9:42:14AM I KNOW SHE WILL KILL ME FOR NOT GETTING IT RIGHT.
9:42:17AM SHE IS DOING AN AWESOME JOB IN WEST TAMPA AND BEEN DOING THE
9:42:20AM JOB A LONG TIME.
9:42:21AM RECENTLY, WE GAVE OUT A COMMUNITY SURVEY TO GET THE PULSE OF
9:42:27AM THE COMMUNITY AND HERE'S WHAT WE FOUND.
9:42:29AM WE FOUND THAT THE NUMBER ONE CONCERN IN WEST TAMPA IS CRIME,
9:42:34AM FOLLOWED BY GENTRIFICATION.
9:42:37AM PEOPLE FEEL THAT THERE'S NO RESPECT AMONG OUTSIDE
9:42:43AM DEVELOPMENTS THAT COME TO THE COMMUNITY AND THEY DON'T FEEL
9:42:45AM LIKE THEY HAVE A SENSE OF COMMUNITY BETWEEN RESIDENTS.
9:42:49AM SO THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT WE'RE STARTING IS VERY
9:42:52AM IMPORTANT.
9:42:53AM ALSO WANTED TO NOTE THAT ON MARCH THE 14th THE NEXT ROME
9:42:59AM YARD PRESENTATION IS GOING TO BE PRESENTED FOR THE COMMUNITY
9:43:04AM TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
9:43:06AM IT WAS PRESENTED AT THE LAST WEST TAMPA CRA ADVISORY
9:43:11AM COMMITTEE MEETING LAST WEEK.
9:43:13AM WE'VE BEEN MEETING WITH THE MERCHANTS OF WEST TAMPA.
9:43:18AM WE'VE HAD TWO MEETINGS WITH THEM.
9:43:20AM THE LAST ONE WAS DURING AN EVENT THAT WAS GIVEN BY
9:43:24AM COUNCILMAN GUDES IN WEST TAMPA.
9:43:26AM WE MET WITH THE OWNER OF THE BAY CANON BEER BUSINESS AND
9:43:34AM ENSURED HIM THAT WE WOULD BE WORKING WITH THEM TO REDUCE
9:43:37AM CRIME.
9:43:37AM THE FIRST PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING HOSTED BY JOE
9:43:42AM ROBINSON WAS HELD AND A LOT OF REPRESENTATIVES FROM
9:43:46AM DIFFERENT COMPONENTS TOUGH ON CRIME IN WEST TAMPA.
9:43:51AM WE JUST LAUNCHED A WEBSITE THAT WOULD ALLOW EMPLOYEES IN
9:44:01AM WEST TAMPA TO MATCH UP WITH EACH OTHER.
9:44:04AM EMPLOYER, LOOKING TO HIRE SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY IN WEST TAMPA.
9:44:08AM WE ALSO GOING TO, THE WEBSITE IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT
9:44:13AM RESIDENTS WITH BUSINESSES IN WEST TAMPA.
9:44:15AM SO IF YOU WANT TO BUY SOMETHING, IN THE COMMUNITY.
9:44:21AM FINALLY, MARCH THE 16th, WE'LL BE GIVING OUR NEXT
9:44:26AM COMMUNITY MEETING FOR THE COMMUNITY.
9:44:30AM I CANNOT EVEN BEGIN TO THANK THOSE PEOPLE IN WEST TAMPA FOR
9:44:37AM THEIR COMMUNITY.
9:44:38AM TRYING TO SERVE THE VERY MANY.
9:44:43AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:44:44AM THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF MY SHORTEST PRESENTATIONS.
9:44:46AM THANK YOU.
9:44:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:44:47AM MS. POYNOR, ARE YOU ON THE LINE?
9:44:52AM >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
9:44:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, MA'AM.
9:44:54AM >> OKAY.
9:44:55AM GOOD MORNING.
9:44:55AM FIRST OF ALL, I NEED TO STATE THAT I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH
9:44:59AM MS. BURTON ON THE MAYOR'S SWERVING OUT OF HER OWN PERSONAL
9:45:06AM LANE WHEN IT COMES TO THESE ELECTIONS.
9:45:08AM I THINK THAT THE MAYOR SHOULD STAY IN HER PART OF THE
9:45:12AM GOVERNMENT, WHICH IS THE EXECUTIVE PART AND LEAVE THE
9:45:16AM LEGISLATIVE PART TO THEMSELVES BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE EXPECTED
9:45:22AM TO BE A CHECK ON WHAT SHE'S DOING.
9:45:25AM I HAVE A REAL ISSUE WITH THAT.
9:45:27AM AND THAT STARTED WITH THE VETO OF THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS
9:45:30AM WHERE SHE WANTED TO DENY THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA OUR VOICE IN
9:45:35AM WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING IN OUR CITY.
9:45:37AM THIS IS MY VERY FIRST EVER PARTICIPATING IN A CAMPAIGN.
9:45:44AM AND I WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS
9:45:46AM THAT CONCERN ME.
9:45:46AM ONE, I'VE LEARNED THAT THERE IS NO ATTENDANCE REQUIREMENT
9:45:49AM FOR CITY COUNCIL.
9:45:51AM I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT COMES UP ON THE AGENDA
9:45:55AM AFTER THE ELECTIONS ARE OVER WITH BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A
9:45:58AM VERY IMPORTANT THING.
9:45:59AM IF SOMEBODY IS RUNNING FOR COUNCIL AS A LAUGH TO MAKE
9:46:04AM THEMSELVES FEEL BETTER, WHATEVER THE REASON MIGHT BE FOR
9:46:08AM THAT PERSON, IF THEY ARE NOT SHOWING UP FOR CITY COUNCIL
9:46:12AM MEETINGS, I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
9:46:14AM THEY ARE NOT SHOWING UP AT CAMPAIGN FORUMS NOW, WHICH MEANS
9:46:17AM THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY INCLINATION TO HEAR WHAT THE PEOPLE
9:46:20AM OF TAMPA HAVE TO SAY, SO IT CONCERNS ME ONCE THEY GET IN
9:46:23AM THOSE SEATS.
9:46:24AM IF THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE THERE, THEN IT'S GOING TO CAUSE
9:46:27AM PROBLEMS FOR HOW OUR CITY WORKS.
9:46:29AM I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT WE'VE GOT A PUT PURE TO BED ITEM ON THE
9:46:35AM AGENDA.
9:46:35AM PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS, LET'S GET RID OF THIS.
9:46:39AM I MEAN, I CAN'T EVEN GO ANY FURTHER ON THAT.
9:46:42AM I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT LAST THURSDAY, SOMETHING WAS
9:46:47AM BROUGHT UP TO ME AND IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP ON SEVERAL
9:46:49AM OCCASIONS, THERE IS NO COMMERCIAL ONLY LAND USE IN OUR CITY.
9:46:55AM WHY?
9:46:55AM WHY CAN WE NOT HAVE PROPERTY THAT IS DESIGNATED FOR
9:46:59AM COMMERCIAL ONLY?
9:47:01AM HAD I THINK ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO OUR LAND USE DEPARTMENT
9:47:05AM BROUGHT FORWARD A PUBLICLY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENT
9:47:10AM REQUESTING THAT ALL COMMERCIAL USE PROPERTIES COULD
9:47:14AM AUTOMATICALLY HAVE RESIDENTIAL PUT ON IT.
9:47:16AM WELL, LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, THE FOLKS WHO LIVE SOUTH OF
9:47:19AM GANDY WERE VERY OFFENDED BY THAT, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE
9:47:24AM COMMERCIAL THAT WE NEED.
9:47:25AM WE DON'T HAVE A GROCERY STORE.
9:47:27AM WE DON'T HAVE A GAS STATION.
9:47:28AM WE ARE FULL OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN OUR COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
9:47:36AM AREA.
9:47:37AM WHY IS IT THE CITY DOESN'T ACKNOWLEDGE THERE ARE SOME AREAS
9:47:40AM WHERE COMMERCIAL SHOULD BE THE ONLY USE?
9:47:42AM I HAVE TO AGREE WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED LAST
9:47:46AM THURSDAY WITH THE LAND USE CHANGES.
9:47:51AM THIS STUFF HAS TO BE ADVERTISED.
9:47:56AM IT REALLY AND TRULY NEEDS TO BE.
9:47:57AM ANYBODY UP THERE WHO HAS ENDORSED MAILING POLITICAL TRASH
9:48:04AM SHOULD HAVE THEIR HANDS SMACKED.
9:48:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MS. POYNOR.
9:48:08AM >> HAVE A GOOD DAY.
9:48:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
9:48:09AM ANYONE ELSE IN CHAMBERS WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN PUBLIC
9:48:12AM COMMENT? SEEING NONE, WE HAVE NO ONE ELSE LEFT ONLINE.
9:48:15AM THANK YOU.
9:48:16AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2, I HAVE BEEN INFORMED, EVEN THOUGH IT
9:48:21AM HAS BEEN CONTINUED, IT NEEDS TO BE OPENED.
9:48:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO OPEN.
9:48:24AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
9:48:27AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
9:48:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. JOHNSON-VELEZ.
9:48:33AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: YES, AS DETAILED IN MY MEMO, WE ARE
9:48:37AM REQUESTING JOINTLY THE CITY AND THE APPLICANT A CONTINUANCE
9:48:39AM TO THE APRIL 6, AND SO WE WOULD ASK COUNCIL TO OPEN AND
9:48:43AM CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN ALSO DIRECT THE CLERK
9:48:46AM TO READVERTISE THE ADOPTION PUBLIC HEARING FOR APRIL 6, 2023
9:48:51AM IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE STATUTE.
9:48:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
9:48:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO,
9:48:57AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:48:58AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:48:59AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:49:00AM MOTION CARRIES.
9:49:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 2 TO APRIL
9:49:03AM 6, 2023, JUST AS INSTRUCTED BY MS. JOHNSON VELEZ.
9:49:08AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: AGAIN, ADDRESS THE DATE AND TIME OF THAT.
9:49:11AM THAT'S 9:30 IN THE MORNING AND HERE AT CITY COUNCIL
9:49:14AM CHAMBERS.
9:49:15AM AND ALSO, DID YOU WANT TO RESTATE AGAIN FOR THE PURPOSES OF
9:49:18AM THAT AND TO ADOPT THE RENOTICE REQUIREMENT BY THE CLERK.
9:49:22AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: YES, ABSOLUTELY.
9:49:24AM TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO APRIL 6, 2023.
9:49:26AM WE WOULD ASK, COUNCIL DID PLACE IT AS THE FIRST ITEM FOR
9:49:30AM THIS MORNING AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT SO THE MEMO DOES REQUEST
9:49:33AM THAT PLACEMENT AGAIN ON THE AGENDA AS WELL AS TO DIRECT THE
9:49:36AM CLERK TO READVERTISE THE ADOPTION PUBLIC HEARING IN
9:49:39AM ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW.
9:49:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MOVED.
9:49:43AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
9:49:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
9:49:46AM MANISCALCO.
9:49:46AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:49:48AM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
9:49:49AM IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
9:49:51AM MOTION CARRIES?
9:49:52AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THANK YOU.
9:49:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU MS. JOHNSON-VELEZ.
9:49:55AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3 IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEEDING.
9:50:00AM I WILL ASK ANYBODY -- EXCUSE ME, ANYONE THAT'S GIVING ANY
9:50:02AM TYPE OF TESTIMONY IN OUR -- EXCUSE ME, IN OUR QUASI-JUDICIAL
9:50:08AM TO BE SWORN IN.
9:50:09AM IF YOU WOULD PLEASE RISE.
9:50:11AM RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
9:50:17AM [OATH ADMINISTERED BY THE CLERK]
9:50:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
9:50:24AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3, FILE NUMBER SU1-22-60-C.
9:50:32AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:50:33AM THIS IS ON THE AGENDA PURSUANT TO COUNCIL'S RULES BECAUSE OF
9:50:40AM RULE 6H, DUE TO TWO-THIRDS MAJORITY VOTE, THE LACK OF THAT
9:50:43AM WITH A 3-3 TIE AS SET FORTH IN YOUR AGENDA.
9:50:48AM I BELIEVE IT IS HERE TODAY WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING STILL
9:50:53AM REOPENED AUTOMATICALLY, AND I JUST WANT TO INQUIRE OF
9:50:57AM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON WHO WAS ABSENT IF HE'S HAD AN
9:51:00AM OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE RECORD AND ARE YOU PREPARED TO
9:51:02AM VOTE?
9:51:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:51:06AM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, FIRST, I WANT TO SAY MY APOLOGIES FOR
9:51:10AM MISSING THIS ITEM THE OTHER DAY.
9:51:12AM I HAD AN URGENT FAMILY ISSUE THAT I UNEXPECTEDLY HAD TO RUSH
9:51:17AM OUT FOR.
9:51:17AM I APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE FOR THE INCONVENIENCE.
9:51:20AM YES, I'VE REVIEWED THE FILE.
9:51:22AM I WATCHED THE VIDEO.
9:51:23AM I ONLY HAVE -- IN THE VIDEO YOU SAID I CAN ASK QUESTIONS.
9:51:26AM I ONLY HAVE ONE QUESTION OF MS. PETTIS-MACKLE, IF I COULD.
9:51:31AM ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES MENTIONED THE CONCEPT OF A PRECEDENT
9:51:36AM BEING SET.
9:51:38AM IS THERE -- IF WE VOTED IN FAVOR OF THIS, DOES IT SET AN
9:51:41AM AUTOMATIC PRECEDENT WHERE OTHERS COULD COME IN AND ASK FOR
9:51:46AM THAT CHANGE.
9:51:46AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE
9:51:48AM LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
9:51:49AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, THIS DOES NOT SET A PRECEDENT.
9:51:53AM YOU ARE ANALYZING, MAKING YOUR DECISION TODAY BASED UPON THE
9:51:55AM APPLICATION AND THE EVIDENCE THAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE
9:51:57AM PREVIOUS HEARING.
9:51:58AM YOUR DECISION ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS AND THE FACTS AND THE
9:52:04AM EVIDENCE THAT'S PRESENTED BEFORE YOU.
9:52:05AM >>BILL CARLSON: OKAY.
9:52:06AM THANK YOU.
9:52:07AM THAT'S ALL.
9:52:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
9:52:11AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WITH THAT, COUNCIL, YOU'RE IN A POSITION TO
9:52:14AM CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE YOUR DECISION.
9:52:19AM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
9:52:20AM >> SECOND.
9:52:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:52:22AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:52:23AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:52:24AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:52:26AM MOTION CARRIES.
9:52:28AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR WAS,
9:52:33AM AGAIN, MADAM CLERK OR MS. MACKLE.
9:52:36AM JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE THIS IS A DECISION ON A REVIEW
9:52:42AM HEARING OF A DECISION OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HISTORIC
9:52:46AM PROPERTY MANAGER.
9:52:46AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: ON THE FEBRUARY 16, 2023,
9:52:50AM QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING, COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO MADE A MOTION
9:52:54AM TO OVERTURN THE DECISION OF STAFF, AND IT WAS SECONDED BY
9:52:58AM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:53:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:53:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MY SAME MOTION TO OVERTURN THE DECISION
9:53:04AM STILL STANDS, AND I WANTED SPECIFICS ON THE RECORD DURING
9:53:10AM THAT HEARING AS TO WHY.
9:53:12AM AND I STILL STAND BY THAT MOTION AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE
9:53:14AM THAT MOTION AGAIN, TO OVERTURN.
9:53:19AM >>LUIS VIERA: I STILL SIMILARLY STAND BEHIND MY SECOND.
9:53:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
9:53:23AM MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:53:25AM ROLL CALL VOTE.
9:53:29AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
9:53:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
9:53:32AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
9:53:34AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO.
9:53:35AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
9:53:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
9:53:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
9:53:41AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA, GUDES, AND CITRO
9:53:43AM VOTING NO.
9:53:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DO WE NEED TO CLOSE THAT PUBLIC HEARING?
9:53:58AM NO.
9:53:58AM THANK YOU.
9:53:59AM WE WILL NOW GO TO STAFF REPORTS.
9:54:03AM LET'S BRING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11 FIRST.
9:54:09AM FILE CM22-77481.
9:54:35AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
9:54:36AM MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, HERE TO REPORT ON
9:54:42AM ACCORDING TO THE MOTION WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL CAN DO TO PUT
9:54:45AM AN END TO THE PURE PROJECT AND MOVE ON.
9:54:47AM COUNCIL, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IS
9:54:49AM TO REMIND YOU AT LAST, THIS MOTION WAS MADE AT LAST
9:54:52AM THURSDAY'S WORKSHOP.
9:54:53AM AND THAT ALSO AT THAT WORKSHOP, SEVERAL MOTIONS RELATING TO
9:54:58AM THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS INVOLVING PURE WERE MADE TO THE
9:55:03AM ADMINISTRATION TO BRING BACK ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
9:55:06AM WITH THAT BEING SAID, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS INITIATIVE
9:55:08AM THE DISCUSSION BY TELLING YOU WHAT IT IS THE COUNCIL CAN DO,
9:55:12AM WHAT COUNCIL'S AUTHORITY IS TO DO IN GENERAL UNDER THE
9:55:16AM CHARTER JUST SO THAT YOU AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE MADE
9:55:20AM AWARE.
9:55:21AM PRIMARILY, FRANKLY, I'D LIKE TO BEGIN DISCUSSION WITH
9:55:27AM COUNCIL'S POWER TO APPROVE CONTRACTS IN EFFECT, WHAT SECTION
9:55:32AM 4.01 OF THE CHARTER SETTING FORTH THE POWERS OF THE MAYOR,
9:55:36AM CITY COUNCIL REQUIRES, THE CHARTER REQUIRES THAT CITY
9:55:41AM COUNCIL AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE ALL, AS IT STATES
9:55:46AM HERE, CONTRACTS, FRANCHISES, ACQUISITION, AND DISPOSITION OF
9:55:52AM PROPERTY AND APPROVAL THEREOF BY THE CITY COUNCIL, THE
9:55:55AM EXECUTION ON BEHALF OF ALL AGREEMENTS, LEASES, DEEDS AND
9:55:59AM OTHER INSTRUMENTS IN CONNECTION THEREWITH.
9:56:00AM THAT IS CITY COUNCIL'S AUTHORITY UNDER THE CHARTER.
9:56:04AM SO WITH REGARD -- LET'S SAY SPECIFICALLY IN THIS CASE TO THE
9:56:09AM PURE PROJECT, COUNCIL DID PASS A CONTRACT, EXCUSE ME, DID
9:56:13AM PASS AN ITEM THAT ALLOWED THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT.
9:56:16AM THAT CONTRACT IS IN EFFECT.
9:56:17AM THE SUBJECT OF THAT AGAIN, AND THE QUESTIONS RELATING TO
9:56:19AM THAT AGAIN IS BEST SET FOR THE DISCUSSION BASED ON THE
9:56:25AM QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL HAS RAISED, AND THAT'S COMING UP
9:56:27AM AGAIN IN TWO WEEKS.
9:56:28AM SO THAT IS A GREAT DEAL OF AUTHORITY THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS
9:56:33AM WITH REGARD TO ITEMS THAT MOVE FORWARD.
9:56:37AM THE MAYOR CANNOT EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITHOUT APPROVAL OF THE
9:56:43AM CITY COUNCIL.
9:56:43AM AND THE ISSUE IS, AND THIS CAME UP IN THE PAST UNDER CERTAIN
9:56:47AM CIRCUMSTANCES, THAT ONCE A CONTRACT IS SIGNED BY THE MAYOR
9:56:50AM AND IS IN EFFECT, THAT CITY COUNCIL REALLY DOES NOT HAVE THE
9:56:53AM AUTHORITY.
9:56:55AM THAT IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTION TO IMPLEMENT AND WORK
9:57:00AM TOWARDS FULFILLING THAT CONTRACT.
9:57:01AM THAT BEING SAID -- I'M SORRY.
9:57:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:57:08AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DON'T WANT YOU TO GO ON AND ON.
9:57:11AM WHAT I'M HEARING RIGHT NOW BASICALLY IS THAT IF THIS COUNCIL
9:57:14AM DOESN'T FUND IT, IT DOESN'T GO, IS THAT CORRECT, SIR?
9:57:17AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DIDN'T GET TO THAT AND I WILL, SIR.
9:57:19AM THE POINT IS --
9:57:20AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: POINT KIND OF GUY, YOU KNOW.
9:57:22AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY.
9:57:23AM I JUST WANTED TO LAY THE FOUNDATION THAT WHERE THIS BEGAN,
9:57:26AM WAS THIS BEGAN WITH IT COMING TO COUNCIL AND ULTIMATELY THE
9:57:30AM AUTHORIZATION BY CITY COUNCIL IN A VOTE TO EXECUTE THE
9:57:33AM CONTRACT.
9:57:33AM BUT YOU RAISED THE OTHER POINT.
9:57:35AM THE OTHER AUTHORITY UNDER THE CHARTER IS YOUR POWER OF
9:57:39AM APPROPRIATIONS.
9:57:40AM THE APPROVAL OF THE BUDGET.
9:57:42AM AND, AGAIN, THAT IS A PROCESS THAT YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR
9:57:46AM WITH.
9:57:47AM COUNCIL IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.
9:57:49AM IT IS RECOMMENDED BY THE MAYOR.
9:57:50AM YOU GO THROUGH A PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS, AND IT IS ADOPTED
9:57:54AM AT PUBLIC HEARINGS AFTER PUBLIC INPUT.
9:57:58AM A REMINDER, YOU ALSO HAVE THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY
9:58:00AM COMMITTEE THAT DOES MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, DOES REVIEW THE
9:58:03AM BUDGET, DOES HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO ALSO RAISE THE ISSUE.
9:58:07AM AND PART OF THE BUDGET ADOPTION PROCESS IS ALSO YOUR
9:58:12AM ADOPTION OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
9:58:15AM THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN THAT SETS FORTH WHAT YOUR CAPITAL
9:58:19AM EXPENDITURES ARE WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY THE SUBJECT OF THE PURE
9:58:24AM PROJECT.
9:58:26AM NOW, WITH REGARD TO THAT, A REMINDER, COUNCIL, THAT THE
9:58:32AM BUDGET, ONCE APPROVED, AMENDMENTS TO THAT BUDGET UNDER YOUR
9:58:37AM CHARTER CAN ONLY BE INITIATED UPON THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE
9:58:40AM MAYOR.
9:58:41AM SO THAT BEING SAID, MIDYEAR CHANGES TO THE BUDGET DO COME
9:58:45AM FORWARD.
9:58:46AM THEY ARE ON YOUR AGENDA, BUT THEY ARE UPON THE
9:58:48AM RECOMMENDATION OF THE MAYOR.
9:58:49AM THE LAST ITEM, COUNCIL, IS THAT YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY IN
9:58:56AM YOUR BUDGET TO -- EXCUSE ME, IN YOUR CHARTER TO ENGAGE A
9:59:01AM BUDGET ANALYST.
9:59:01AM AND THAT'S UNDER SECTION 2.04 OF THE CHARTER.
9:59:05AM AND IF COUNCIL WISHES TO DO THAT, TO ASSIST COUNCIL IN THE
9:59:09AM DISCUSSION OF THE BUDGET, THAT UNDER THE CHARTER REQUIRES
9:59:13AM THE CREATION OF AN ORDINANCE TO ALLOW THAT.
9:59:15AM SO THAT BEING SAID, COUNCIL, IN SHORT ORDER, WITHOUT GETTING
9:59:20AM INTO SPECIFICS, THERE IS NO ONE THING THAT CITY COUNCIL CAN
9:59:24AM DO TODAY TO PUT AN END TO THE PURE PROJECT.
9:59:28AM AGAIN, WITH REGARD TO MORE SPECIFICS, BASED ON COUNCIL'S
9:59:33AM MOTION, I HAVE BEGUN MY INVESTIGATION.
9:59:35AM I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT CERTAIN THINGS RELATED
9:59:38AM TO THAT PROJECT, BUT, AGAIN, COUNCIL HAS MADE A MOTION THAT
9:59:42AM IT'S GOING TO BE COMING BACK IN TWO WEEKS FOR DISCUSSION OF
9:59:44AM IT IN DEPTH.
9:59:45AM CERTAINLY, I WOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS CERTAIN QUESTIONS
9:59:52AM DIRECTLY ABOUT PURE AFTER COUNCIL GETS THAT INFORMATION.
9:59:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:59:58AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT THROWS ME BACK WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE
10:00:01AM BUDGET ANALYST.
10:00:02AM THE BUDGET AND FINANCE COMMITTEE FOR THIS COUNCIL HAS
10:00:06AM RECOMMENDED EVERY SINGLE YEAR, FOR SOME REASON THIS COUNCIL
10:00:10AM REFUSES TO PUT THAT PERSON IN PLACE.
10:00:12AM I BELIEVE THAT'S IN THE CHARTER FOR A REASON.
10:00:15AM YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE A CERTAIN SKILL.
10:00:18AM CERTAIN PEOPLE HAVE A CERTAIN EXPERIENCE.
10:00:20AM THE BUDGET IS VERY BIG.
10:00:22AM WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COUNTY COMMISSION, THEY HAVE A PERSON,
10:00:24AM A BUDGET ANALYST.
10:00:25AM EACH COMMISSIONER HAS A PERSON THAT SITS DOWN AND DEALS WITH
10:00:29AM THEM ABOUT THE BUDGET.
10:00:31AM GO OVER IT.
10:00:32AM I THINK THIS COUNCIL MOVING FORWARD, WHETHER WHO IS HERE OR
10:00:35AM COMING FORWARD, NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT IS A POSITION THAT
10:00:38AM NEEDS TO HAVE POWER AND AUTHORITY TO DO WHAT IT CAN DO SO
10:00:41AM THE COUNCIL CAN UNDERSTAND THE BUDGET, HOW IT REALLY
10:00:43AM OPERATES, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THINGS, I DON'T
10:00:45AM LIKE THIS AND THAT.
10:00:46AM BUT TO REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW THE CITY REALLY FUNCTIONS.
10:00:49AM SO I KNOW, WHEN I'M BACK HERE, THE NEXT BUDGET COMES, I'LL
10:00:54AM MAKE A MOTION THAT PERSON BE PUT IN.
10:00:56AM I THINK IT'S NECESSARY, AND PUT THE LISTENING TO AND TEETH
10:00:58AM TO THE BUDGET ANALYST TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUES
10:01:01AM GOING FORTH WITH THE CITY.
10:01:03AM BUT FROM WHAT I CAN SEE IN REFERENCE TO THE PURE PROJECT,
10:01:08AM THE ISSUE IS, IF WE DON'T FUND IT, IT DOESN'T MOVE.
10:01:12AM THAT'S THE WAY I INTERPRET IT, THE WAY I READ THE CHARTER.
10:01:14AM IF IT'S NOT FUNDED, IT CAN'T MOVE.
10:01:16AM I YIELD BACK, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:01:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:01:20AM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT DIVISIVENESS
10:01:24AM BETWEEN CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, THIS IS THE
10:01:27AM PROJECT.
10:01:27AM THIS IS THE ONE THAT IS THE ROOT OF ALL THE DIVISIVENESS.
10:01:30AM THIS IS WHERE WE ALL WENT WRONG WITH THE ADMINISTRATION
10:01:32AM BECAUSE WE OPPOSED THIS PROJECT.
10:01:34AM IT'S BETTER FOR THE CITY THAT WE END THIS.
10:01:37AM NOBODY KNOWS WHY THIS IS BEING PUSHED FORWARD, AND WE JUST
10:01:42AM NEED TO END IT.
10:01:43AM I APPRECIATE MY COLLEAGUES MAKING THIS MOTION TO TRY TO DO
10:01:47AM THIS.
10:01:47AM ONE OF THE THINGS YOU TALKED ABOUT THE BUDGET, BUT WE PASSED
10:01:52AM -- I MADE A MOTION.
10:01:53AM WE PASSED IT A YEAR OR SO AGO THAT ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA
10:01:57AM THAT'S RELATED TO THIS SHOULD HAVE THE WORD "PURE" IN IT.
10:02:01AM WE FOUND SOME ITEMS DIDN'T.
10:02:02AM WHEN WE TRIED TO CONTINUE THEM, THERE WAS PUSH-BACK FROM
10:02:05AM STAFF ABOUT SOMETIMES CONTINUING THEM EVEN THOUGH, IN MY
10:02:08AM MIND, THEY WEREN'T PROPERLY NOTICED BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE
10:02:11AM THE WORD IN IT.
10:02:12AM WHEN PURE SUPPOSEDLY WAS DEAD, WE CHANGED THE WORDING TO
10:02:16AM WATER REUSE OR SOMETHING.
10:02:17AM AND WE FOUND THAT WAS NOT PUT ON THE AGENDA.
10:02:19AM AND THERE WERE SOME ITEMS THAT REALLY WERE PURE THAT WERE
10:02:21AM STILL BROUGHT UP AND NONE OF THOSE WERE THERE.
10:02:24AM I THINK THE ONE THING WE DO HAVE CONTROL OVER IS OUR AGENDA.
10:02:27AM AND WE HAVE CERTAIN RULES.
10:02:30AM I THINK SOMEHOW WE NEED TO STRENGTHEN THEM.
10:02:33AM I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS AN ORDINANCE OR WHAT.
10:02:34AM WE NEED TO STRENGTHEN THAT.
10:02:36AM WHEN AN ITEM COMES BEFORE US AND IT'S NOT FLAGGED THE WAY WE
10:02:41AM WANT IT AND WE INADVERTENTLY APPROVE IT THINKING IT'S
10:02:44AM ANOTHER WATER PROJECT, THAT IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY BE VOID
10:02:47AM BECAUSE IT WAS MISLABELED AND IN EFFECT FRAUDULENTLY
10:02:50AM PRESENTED TO US.
10:02:50AM AND THEN -- IT SEEMS TO ME WE COULD AT THE VERY LEAST
10:02:59AM STRENGTHEN THE RULE ABOUT HOW THINGS IDENTIFIED ON OUR
10:03:01AM AGENDA.
10:03:01AM BUT WE ALSO HAVE, I THINK, CONTROL OVER OUR AGENDA, DON'T
10:03:05AM WE?
10:03:07AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
10:03:08AM >>BILL CARLSON: COULDN'T WE PASS AN ORDINANCE OR SOMETHING
10:03:11AM JUST TO BAN THIS FROM COMING BACK ON OUR AGENDA?
10:03:13AM THE THING IS, THIS IS AN UNNECESSARY PROJECT.
10:03:15AM ALL THE EXCUSES THAT STAFF HAVE GIVEN ARE NOT VALID.
10:03:18AM AS I SAID ON THE STAFF CALL YESTERDAY, WHEN THE SAME STAFF
10:03:21AM COME BEFORE US TO TALK ABOUT PIPES, WE ALL GET ALONG VERY
10:03:24AM WELL.
10:03:24AM THERE'S NO CONFLICT ABOUT PIPES, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF
10:03:28AM CONFLICT ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
10:03:29AM IT'S BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S BEING PRESENTED AND I THINK WE
10:03:33AM ARE ABOUT TRANSPARENCY, ACCOUNTABILITY, ACCURACY,
10:03:39AM OBJECTIVITY.
10:03:39AM ON PIPES WE HEAR THAT, BUT ON THIS PROJECT WE DON'T.
10:03:43AM IT LEADS THE COMMUNITY TO BE VERY SUSPICIOUS ABOUT IT.
10:03:45AM SIERRA CLUB AND ALL THESE OTHER GROUPS ARE AGAINST IT
10:03:48AM BECAUSE OF IT.
10:03:48AM THEY PRESENTED FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS LAST WEEK.
10:03:50AM THE ONLY REASON THAT WE WOULD DO THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE
10:03:55AM STATE LAW WHICH WE FOUND THAT THIS CITY WORKED TOWARD, NOT
10:04:00AM JUST THIS ADMINISTRATION, BUT THE LAST ADMINISTRATION
10:04:01AM LOBBIED FOR IT AND LOBBIED FOR LANGUAGE THAT SPECIFICALLY
10:04:05AM COVERS TAMPA.
10:04:05AM AND WHEN WE ASKED FOR THE USE OF THE LOBBYING RESOURCES AND
10:04:09AM LEGAL RESOURCES TO STOP IT, THE ADMINISTRATION SAID NO.
10:04:12AM I MEAN, IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT OUR TAXPAYERS IN DEBT AND
10:04:17AM CHARGE EXTRA TO THEM BECAUSE OF AN UNFUNDED MANDATE, WHY
10:04:21AM WOULDN'T YOU SUE?
10:04:22AM IN PRIVATE SECTOR WE WOULD SUE TO DO THAT, BUT THE
10:04:26AM ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T WANT TO DO THAT.
10:04:27AM WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO STOP THIS.
10:04:29AM IT'S ABSURD.
10:04:29AM WHEN THE ADMINISTRATION CHANGES IN LEADERSHIP AND THE SENATE
10:04:33AM CHANGES, WE CAN GET THIS CHANGED.
10:04:35AM WE NEED TO GET LOBBYISTS TO DO IT.
10:04:37AM IF THE CITY WON'T DO IT, I'LL PAY A LOBBYIST MYSELF TO STOP
10:04:41AM IT BECAUSE THIS IS NOT NECESSARY.
10:04:42AM THE PUBLIC DOESN'T WANT IT.
10:04:44AM IT'S NOT SAFE.
10:04:45AM IT'S EXPERIMENTAL TECHNOLOGY, AND IT'S CAUSING DIVISIVENESS
10:04:48AM WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AND STAFF.
10:04:50AM AND IT'S NOT FAIR TO STAFF TO CONTINUE TO PUSH THEM TO HAVE
10:04:55AM TO PRESENT THIS TO US ALL THE TIME.
10:04:57AM THANK YOU.
10:04:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:05:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT, LATELY
10:05:03AM WE'VE BEEN OUT IN THE COMMUNITY IN A DIFFERENT CAPACITY.
10:05:06AM AND THIS ISSUE HAS COME UP MANY, MANY TIMES.
10:05:09AM AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT PIPES.
10:05:12AM PIPES IS A VERY, VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE, MULTIBILLION DOLLAR
10:05:15AM PROJECT.
10:05:16AM I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT IT.
10:05:18AM AS A MATTER OF FACT, I PROUDLY TALK ABOUT IT AS MUCH AS I
10:05:21AM CAN, AND PEOPLE ARE IN SUPPORT.
10:05:23AM I TALK ABOUT THE STORMWATER ASSESSMENT FROM 2016 THAT WAS A
10:05:27AM LOT LESS AT $251 MILLION.
10:05:29AM AGAIN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT IT.
10:05:34AM BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THIS, AGAIN, WE'RE SPEAKING IN A
10:05:39AM DIFFERENT CAPACITY BECAUSE OF THE SEASON THAT WE'RE IN.
10:05:42AM I HAVEN'T HAD ANYBODY SAY ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT IT.
10:05:45AM AND WE'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, NOW IN THE HUNDREDS, IF
10:05:49AM NOT MORE, AT VARIOUS DIFFERENT FORUMS.
10:05:54AM IT'S JUST INTERESTING.
10:05:55AM IT'S LIKE IT'S THE HIGHLY, HIGHLY UNPOPULAR IDEA.
10:05:59AM NOBODY WANTS TO -- AGAIN, I HAVE YET TO MEET ANYBODY THAT
10:06:03AM SAYS WE WANT THIS.
10:06:04AM WE SUPPORT THIS.
10:06:05AM THIS IS INTERESTING.
10:06:05AM IT'S INTRIGUING.
10:06:07AM I WANT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT IT.
10:06:08AM SO, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT IS A DEAD ISSUE.
10:06:12AM WHAT'S INTERESTING, TOO, IS THAT SO MANY PEOPLE FROM SO MANY
10:06:17AM DIFFERENT -- SUCH A CROSS-SECTION OF THE COMMUNITY ARE
10:06:22AM COMING TOGETHER AGAINST THIS, PEOPLE THAT WOULD TYPICALLY
10:06:24AM NOT BE IN AGREEMENT HAVE BEEN IN AGREEMENT AGAINST THIS.
10:06:28AM SO IT'S VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING UNUSUAL THAT
10:06:32AM WE DON'T SEE.
10:06:33AM WE TALK ABOUT DIVISIVENESS, THIS ISSUE HAS BROUGHT PEOPLE
10:06:37AM TOGETHER ON THE OTHER END THAT DON'T WANT IT.
10:06:42AM I'M GLAD THIS DISCUSSION HAS COME UP.
10:06:44AM I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY ELSE'S COMMENTS.
10:06:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:06:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE TO AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES.
10:06:50AM THIS IS CLEARLY SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT.
10:06:53AM I, AGAIN, JUST WANT TO THANK THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP THAT CAME
10:06:57AM AND SPENT TWO HOURS WITH US LAST WEEK BECAUSE I THINK ALL OF
10:07:00AM US LEFT SAYING, WOW, WE REALLY UNDERSTAND THIS NOW.
10:07:03AM THEY WERE REALLY CLEAR AND THE VISUALS WERE GREAT.
10:07:08AM IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT PURE, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU
10:07:11AM FIND THAT WORKSHOP FROM LAST WEEK, AND WATCH IT.
10:07:16AM IT WAS INCREDIBLY INFORMATIVE.
10:07:19AM AND I AGREE, I HAVE YET TO MEET ONE PERSON WHO WANTS THIS.
10:07:23AM THIS SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING THAT OVERWHELMINGLY PEOPLE DON'T
10:07:27AM WANT, AND THEY DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR.
10:07:29AM WE ARE NOT A STATE OR A CITY THAT'S LACKING IN WATER.
10:07:35AM AND IF WE ARE, THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER CHEAPER WAYS TO EVEN
10:07:41AM STARTING TALK ABOUT CONSERVATION AS A BEGINNING METHOD.
10:07:46AM BUT I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT COUNCILMAN GUDES SAID.
10:07:50AM IF WE DON'T FUND IT, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, BUT I ALSO AGREE
10:07:53AM WITH WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE
10:07:56AM THAT IF IT DOES COME BACK UP, IT'S PROPERLY NOTICED ON THE
10:08:00AM AGENDAS.
10:08:01AM I JUST WANT TO ECHO THOSE.
10:08:04AM THANK YOU.
10:08:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:08:06AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:08:08AM TAKE A COUPLE OF MINUTES TO REFLECT ON WHAT'S BEEN SAID AND
10:08:12AM WHAT I CAN REMEMBER FROM PAST KNOWLEDGE.
10:08:14AM THE STORM DRAINAGE WAS NEEDED ESPECIALLY IN SOUTH TAMPA.
10:08:18AM HOWEVER, THAT DRAINAGE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED ONLY TO MOVE A
10:08:22AM CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WATER DRAINAGE AT A GIVEN TIME.
10:08:26AM TO MY KNOWLEDGE, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME FROM THE
10:08:29AM ADMINISTRATION OR COUNCIL SIDE, IN ANYTHING I SAY, I'M
10:08:33AM WILLING TO ACCEPT MY FAULTS.
10:08:36AM IT HAS NO ELECTRICAL SYSTEM.
10:08:40AM ANYBODY CAN SAY IT DOES, HERE I AM.
10:08:43AM IT DOESN'T MOVE WATER NORTH.
10:08:44AM IT MOVES WATER BACK OUT TO THE BAY.
10:08:48AM BECAUSE IF YOU REALLY NEED A SYSTEM TO SOLVE OUR DRAINAGE
10:08:52AM PROBLEM, I WOULD SAY NOW IT'S 3 TO $4 BILLION TO SOLVE THAT
10:08:56AM PROBLEM.
10:08:57AM BECAUSE YOU MUST PUT WATER NORTH, WATER ONLY DRAINS SOUTH,
10:09:03AM PUSH WATER NORTH, AND ENORMOUS COST OF ELECTRICITY AND HAVE
10:09:07AM PIPELINES FOR AT LEAST 20 MILES NORTH SO YOU CAN BUILD WHAT?
10:09:11AM A RETENTION AREA THAT'S BIG ENOUGH FOR FOUR, FIVE, SIX
10:09:16AM HUNDRED THOUSAND, MILLION GALLONS, WHATEVER YOU WANT,
10:09:18AM BECAUSE THE WATER GOING OUT, AND I'M NOT A PHYSICIST, AND
10:09:22AM I'M NOT SMART, AND I NEVER LED A CLASS IN ANYTHING, BUT I
10:09:27AM HAVE ONE THING THAT I ALWAYS THOUGHT OF.
10:09:29AM IT'S CALLED CS.
10:09:30AM THE DISEASE THAT I HAVE.
10:09:31AM CALLED COMMON SENSE.
10:09:32AM IF YOU HAVE A STORM COMING IN, EVEN A NO-NAME STORM THAT'S
10:09:37AM COMING IN AND YOU HAVE WATER THAT'S SUPPOSED TO GO OUT AND
10:09:40AM THE PIPELINE IS HERE AND THE WATER LEVEL GOES OVER THE
10:09:43AM PIPELINE, WHERE DO YOU THINK THE WATER IS GOING TO GO?
10:09:46AM OUT TO THE BAY?
10:09:46AM YOU SAW WHAT HAPPENED HERE RECENTLY WHEN A STORM CAME BY
10:09:51AM THAT CAUSED ENORMOUS DAMAGE TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND SOME
10:09:54AM COMMUNITIES THAT LIVE CLOSE BY.
10:09:56AM ONE WOBBLE THIS WAY INSTEAD OF THAT WAY WOULD HAVE BROUGHT
10:10:04AM ATTENTION TO EVERYONE IN WHAT I JUST SAID.
10:10:06AM THANK GOD IT WENT THE OTHER WAY.
10:10:08AM WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IT WORKS TO A CERTAIN DEGREE.
10:10:15AM IT DOES NOT SOLVE A MAJOR PROBLEM OR A NO-NAME STORM BECAUSE
10:10:19AM IT WAS NEVER DESIGNED FOR THAT.
10:10:20AM THERE'S NO ELECTRICAL PUMP MOVING THE WATER NORTH.
10:10:24AM THERE'S NO RESERVOIR TO PUT THE WATER IN.
10:10:27AM SO IF ANYONE WANTS TO CHALLENGE ME RIGHT NOW FROM THE
10:10:31AM AUDIENCE FROM RIGHT HERE, JUST COME ON.
10:10:34AM IT DOESN'T WORK.
10:10:35AM IT WORKS TO A MINIMUM, BUT NOT TO A MAXIMUM.
10:10:38AM I'M TELLING YOU WHAT WE'VE DONE, IT WORKS ONLY FOR A FEW
10:10:44AM DROPS OF RAIN.
10:10:45AM IF YOU HAVE SIX OR SEVEN OR EIGHT INCHES FOR THREE OR FOUR
10:10:49AM DAYS, IT'S BACK TO THE OLD SYSTEM.
10:10:51AM THE PIPES PROGRAM WORKS BECAUSE WE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE
10:11:01AM ADMINISTRATION AND THE LEGISLATURE REALIZE THAT WE'RE
10:11:04AM SPENDING $24 MILLION A DAY NOT REPLACING ANY PIPES, BUT
10:11:09AM REPLACING PIPES THAT BROKE ONLY WHERE THE BREAK WAS.
10:11:15AM 80 TO 100 YEARS OLD.
10:11:17AM IN FACT, ONE SECTION OF PIPE THAT WAS REMOVED, BY TALKING TO
10:11:21AM A CONTRACTOR THAT WAS MADE OUT OF WOOD.
10:11:22AM HERE I AM FOR CHALLENGES.
10:11:28AM COME AT ME.
10:11:28AM LET'S GO BACK TO THE AGENCY THAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT
10:11:36AM THEY HAVEN'T NAMED THAT THEY CAN BUY WATER.
10:11:39AM JUST RECENTLY, AND THEY ARE A GREAT AGENCY AND DO WHAT THEY
10:11:44AM WERE DESIGNED TO DO AND THEY ARE PROVIDING WATER.
10:11:46AM I'M NOT CHALLENGING THAT AT ALL.
10:11:48AM LET ME GO BACK TO SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED OCTOBER OF 2022.
10:11:52AM I'M SITTING THERE AND I'M WATCHING WHAT'S GOING ON, AND I
10:11:56AM SEE TWO LITTLE RED LINES ON SOMETHING AND I FIGURE, WELL,
10:12:00AM LET ME SEE WHAT IT IS.
10:12:02AM IT WAS A 30-YEAR CONTRACT ON 130 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER.
10:12:06AM AND THE FIRST TWO YEARS ONLY GOING TO PAY INTEREST.
10:12:10AM I DIDN'T SAY ONE WORD UNTIL IT CAME FOR A FINAL VOTE THE
10:12:15AM FOLLOWING MONTH.
10:12:16AM I LOOKED AT THOSE RED LINES AND IT TURNED TO 16 LITTLE RED
10:12:23AM LINES.
10:12:23AM AGAIN, LET ME SAY, IT'S A GOOD AGENCY.
10:12:26AM IT'S WORKING TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
10:12:28AM BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A 30-YEAR BOND, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
10:12:33AM KICKING THE CAN, WE DIDN'T KICK THE CAN.
10:12:35AM WE KICKED THE WHOLE CAN COMPANY.
10:12:38AM BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS THERE IS THAT FOR THE FIRST 16 YEARS ON
10:12:43AM A 30-YEAR, $130 MILLION FOR 30 YEARS, IF I HAVE A COUPLE OF
10:12:48AM MORE MINUTES, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT AGENCY KICKED THE CAN FOR
10:12:51AM THE FIRST 16 YEARS, THEY GOING TO PAY INTEREST ONLY ON $130
10:12:55AM MILLION BOND, SO IN THE LAST 14 YEARS, YOU HAVE TO PAY THE
10:12:59AM INTEREST AND THE BOND, THE LAST 14 YEARS OF A 30-YEAR BOND.
10:13:07AM I TOLD YOU I WASN'T SMART.
10:13:09AM THERE'S ONLY ONE VOTE THAT VOTED AGAINST IT OUT OF NINE AND
10:13:14AM YOU'RE LOOKING AT HIM.
10:13:15AM WHY DID I DO THAT?
10:13:18AM I DIDN'T WANT TO BE POPULAR, BUT I DON'T MAKE FRIENDS WITH
10:13:22AM OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY.
10:13:24AM SO THAT MEANS THAT FOR 16 YEARS, YOU'RE GOING TO PAY $6
10:13:30AM MILLION A YEAR TIMES 16 YEARS, IN MY MIND QUICKLY IT'S $96
10:13:35AM MILLION, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO PAY AGAIN AT THE END BECAUSE
10:13:38AM YOU PAY NO PRINCIPAL, WHO IS GOING TO PAY THAT DEBT?
10:13:42AM PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT EVEN BORN YET ARE GOING TO PAY THAT DEBT.
10:13:47AM THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO, WE CAN DO IT.
10:13:53AM LET'S GO BACK TO PURE, AND PURE HAS FOUR OR FIVE SYNONYMS
10:13:58AM THAT MAKE UP THE WORD PURE.
10:14:00AM I'M NOT GOING TO GO THERE EITHER.
10:14:02AM WHETHER I LIKE THAT LAW OR NOT THAT WAS PASSED THREE OR FOUR
10:14:09AM YEARS AGO, TWO YEARS AGO, WHATEVER IT WAS, ALMOST
10:14:13AM UNANIMOUSLY, I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN UNANIMOUSLY IN
10:14:17AM TALLAHASSEE, EVEN THOUGH IT HURTS THE CITY OF TAMPA, EVEN
10:14:19AM THOUGH WE WERE MAKING PROGRESS IN BRINGING THE AREAS BACK IN
10:14:23AM THE BAY TO PRIOR TO 1950, WHICH IS A GOOD ACHIEVEMENT, AND
10:14:28AM AGAIN YOU CAN CHALLENGE ME OF WHAT I'M SAYING.
10:14:31AM I HAVE NOTHING WRITTEN HERE, WE'RE PUTTING ABOUT 370 TONS OF
10:14:35AM THINGS THAT SHOULDN'T BE THERE, EVEN THOUGH OUR WATER IS OUT
10:14:39AM OF ADVANCE TERTIARY TREATMENT PLANT, NOT A NORMAL PLANT, BUT
10:14:44AM ADVANCE TERTIARY TREATMENT PLANT THAT VERY FEW HAVE IN THE
10:14:47AM WHOLE STATE.
10:14:48AM I'LL STOP HERE AND I'LL SPEAK LATER.
10:14:51AM I DON'T WANT TO BORE ANYBODY.
10:14:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY.
10:14:54AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, COUNCIL, JUST VERY BRIEFLY.
10:14:56AM THANK YOU.
10:14:57AM I WANTED TO TOUCH BASE ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN
10:14:59AM SAID.
10:15:02AM WITH REGARD TO CONTRACTS SPECIFICALLY, CONTRACTS, ACCORDING
10:15:04AM TO THE CHARTER, EVERY CONTRACT MADE BY THE CITY SHALL BE IN
10:15:09AM WRITING, APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL UPON RECOMMENDATION OF THE
10:15:13AM MAYOR AND SIGNED BY THE MAYOR AND ATTESTED TO WITH THE CITY
10:15:16AM SEAL, ET CETERA.
10:15:17AM THE OTHER THING IS THAT ANY CONTRACT IN VIOLATION OR IN
10:15:22AM CONFLICT WITH THIS CHARTER OR ANY ORDINANCE OF THE CITY
10:15:25AM SHALL BE VOID.
10:15:26AM NOW, THE WAY THIS IS STRUCTURED, AGAIN, COUNCIL DOES HAVE
10:15:31AM CONTROL OVER ITS AGENDA, BUT AS THE STRUCTURE IS SET UP,
10:15:38AM COUNCIL, THINGS GET PLACED ON THE AGENDA UPON THE
10:15:41AM RECOMMENDATION OF THE MAYOR.
10:15:42AM A CONTRACT, EVEN IF IT IS DENIED, FRANKLY, BY THIS COUNCIL,
10:15:46AM DOES NOT PREVENT THE MAYOR AT THE NEXT MEETING OR SOME POINT
10:15:50AM IN TIME IN THE FUTURE FROM PRESENTING IT AGAIN TO COUNCIL.
10:15:56AM SO IN THAT SENSE, THE COUNCIL DOES NOT HAVE CONTROL OVER
10:16:01AM PREVENTING THE MAYOR FROM MAKING A RECOMMENDATION.
10:16:03AM PERHAPS CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGE.
10:16:04AM PERHAPS THERE'S BEEN AN AGREEMENT REACHED, FOR WHATEVER
10:16:07AM REASON.
10:16:08AM THE OTHER THING IS THAT COUNCIL THEN THEREFORE REALLY CANNOT
10:16:13AM SAY THAT BECAUSE SOMETHING IS NOT LABELED A CERTAIN WAY, IF
10:16:18AM IT MEETS LEGAL NOTICE AND IT'S DONE AT A PROPERLY NOTICED
10:16:23AM PUBLIC MEETING AND THE ITEM PASSES AND THE MAYOR DOES SIGN
10:16:28AM IT, A CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP IS THEN CREATED, WHICH THEN
10:16:32AM PRECLUDES COUNCIL FROM THEN BEING ACTING UPON THAT CONTRACT,
10:16:36AM THAT IS AN ACTION OF THE ADMINISTRATION PURSUANT TO THE
10:16:38AM TERMS OF THE CONTRACT.
10:16:39AM SO I JUST WANT TO LET COUNCIL KNOW ABOUT THAT.
10:16:41AM THERE ARE SO MANY CONTRACTS THAT COME FORTH THAT THIS
10:16:46AM COUNCIL APPROVES.
10:16:47AM AS I'VE HEARD THIS COUNCIL SAY, THE CITY HAS GROWN
10:16:50AM TREMENDOUSLY.
10:16:51AM IT HAS GOTTEN MUCH MORE COMPLEX, AND IN THAT SENSE, EVERY
10:16:55AM ITEM ON THIS AGENDA HAS BUDGETARY IMPLICATIONS.
10:16:58AM SO, THEREFORE, THE OTHER CONCEPT THAT I HAD HEARD WHEN
10:17:02AM COUNCILMAN GUDES WAS TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET ANALYST
10:17:06AM POSITION, A BUDGET ANALYST CAN ALSO BE A LIAISON BETWEEN THE
10:17:09AM COUNCIL AND THE BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE, IF THAT'S WHERE
10:17:13AM COUNCIL DOES WISH TO GO.
10:17:15AM BUT IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO HAVE SOMEBODY ACTUALLY TO
10:17:19AM DISCUSS RELATIVE TO THESE BUDGETS THAT WOULD ALSO BE
10:17:22AM SOMEBODY.
10:17:22AM AND AS COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES DID SAY, IT DOES REQUIRE A
10:17:26AM CERTAIN EXPERTISE.
10:17:28AM I AM NOT PERSONALLY A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT WITH REGARDS TO
10:17:31AM ALL THESE CONTRACTS THAT COME BEFORE.
10:17:34AM WITH REGARD TO WHAT CONSTITUTES THE PURE PROJECT, I'M
10:17:37AM LEARNING A LOT AS A RESULT OF THESE DISCUSSIONS.
10:17:39AM AND THE QUESTION IS ULTIMATELY, WHAT IS IT THAT COUNCIL HAS
10:17:44AM ISSUES WITH THAT CAN BE RESOLVED EITHER BUDGETARIALLY
10:17:48AM THROUGH CONTRACTS, THROUGH NEGOTIATION WITH THE
10:17:50AM ADMINISTRATION THAT WILL BE ABLE TO RESOLVE THIS.
10:17:54AM I WISH I COULD TELL YOU MORE SPECIFICALLY WHAT CAN BE DONE,
10:17:56AM BUT I WOULD THINK WITH REGARD TO THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE,
10:18:00AM COUNCIL, IT WILL BE MUCH MORE HELPFUL TO PUT IT IN THE
10:18:02AM CONTEXT WHEN STAFF COMES BACK TO DISCUSS IT AND YOU HAVE
10:18:07AM STAFF PRESENT TO BE ABLE TO RAISE THE ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE
10:18:09AM RAISED THAT ARE OF CONCERN.
10:18:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. WEBER, I SEE YOU THERE.
10:18:14AM GIVE ME ONE SECOND, PLEASE.
10:18:16AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:18:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO JUST STOP THIS, IT'S
10:18:22AM ON THE 16th, RIGHT, THAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO DO COME TO US?
10:18:27AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR A
10:18:29AM CONTINUANCE.
10:18:29AM WHAT HAPPENED WAS, IF THE CLERK --
10:18:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, IT WAS THE 16th.
10:18:33AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
10:18:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I SAY WE STRIKE THAT FROM THE RECORD OR MAKE
10:18:38AM A MOTION TO RESCIND THAT PRESENTATION.
10:18:40AM THEN WE'RE DONE.
10:18:45AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU ARE DONE PERHAPS FROM THE POINT OF
10:18:48AM GETTING INFORMATION, BUT THE PROJECT -- I'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT
10:18:54AM THE PCL CONTRACT THAT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL AND, OF
10:18:57AM COURSE, THROUGH ACTIONS, WHICH I'M NOT PREPARED TO TALK
10:19:00AM ABOUT HISTORICALLY OF WHAT'S HAPPENED AND WHERE YOU ARE
10:19:03AM TODAY AS A RESULT BECAUSE THE CONTRACT, AS APPROVED BACK IN
10:19:06AM FEBRUARY OF 2022, IS NOT WHERE YOU STAND TODAY.
10:19:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT.
10:19:11AM THAT MAKES SENSE.
10:19:12AM WELL, THEN, WE'LL LEAVE IT ON THERE AND HAVE IT AS A WRITTEN
10:19:17AM REPORT AND THEN ACCEPT IT AND MOVE ON.
10:19:18AM HOW IS THAT?
10:19:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE YOU WITHDRAWING YOUR MOTION?
10:19:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM WITHDRAWING MY MOTION.
10:19:29AM ACTUALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION AND JUST SAY THAT
10:19:33AM I WOULD LIKE -- WELL, NO, IT SAYS STAFF TO PROVIDE WRITTEN
10:19:37AM ANSWERS AND EXPLANATIONS.
10:19:38AM SO I WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE WRITTEN ANSWERS AND WRITTEN
10:19:41AM EXPLANATIONS.
10:19:46AM >> SECOND.
10:19:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT WAY WE CAN ACCEPT THE REPORT AND WE
10:19:49AM DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
10:19:55AM >>BILL CARLSON: WE CONTROL OUR AGENDA.
10:19:57AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU CONTROL YOUR AGENDA, BUT FORGIVE ME FOR
10:20:00AM INTERRUPTING.
10:20:01AM I'M SORRY.
10:20:01AM YOU CONTROL YOUR AGENDA, BUT YOU DO NOT CONTROL THE
10:20:04AM ADMINISTRATION OF EXISTING CONTRACTS.
10:20:06AM AS A COUNCIL, RESPECTFULLY.
10:20:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT THE CONTRACT IS TO COME BACK TO US WITH
10:20:15AM THIS INFORMATION.
10:20:16AM AND WE ACCEPT A LOT OF REPORTS FROM STAFF THAT ARE SIMPLY
10:20:20AM WRITTEN, AND WE SAY, OKAY, GREAT, AND WE MOVE ON.
10:20:24AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M NOT AWARE OF AN AMENDMENT TO THE
10:20:27AM CONTRACT THAT WAS ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
10:20:28AM AND I CAN'T SPEAK TO IT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S
10:20:31AM APPROPRIATE TO DISCUSS IT TODAY.
10:20:33AM I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CONTRACT STANDS TODAY, FRANKLY,
10:20:36AM COUNCIL, BECAUSE I'M NOT WELL VERSED IN IT.
10:20:39AM I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO.
10:20:40AM MY GOAL IS, IF COUNCIL WISHES ME TO ASSIST IN THIS PROCESS,
10:20:44AM I'M HAPPY TO ENGAGE AND BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION WITH THE
10:20:47AM ADMINISTRATION.
10:20:48AM TO BE ABLE TO LEARN, TO BE ABLE TO ADVISE COUNCIL AS TO THE
10:20:52AM APPROPRIATE ACTION.
10:20:53AM I GET WHAT COUNCIL WANTS TO DO.
10:20:57AM AS A BODY, YOU HAVE MADE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR.
10:21:00AM THE QUESTION NOW IS UNDER YOUR SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT, HOW DO
10:21:03AM YOU IMPLEMENT THAT TO A LASTING EFFECT.
10:21:06AM AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO ASSIST YOU.
10:21:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM SOMEBODY WHO HASN'T
10:21:11AM SPOKEN AS OF YET.
10:21:12AM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:21:12AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:21:14AM I'M NOT SPEAKING ON THE MOTION DIRECTLY.
10:21:15AM I'M SURE I CAN BE SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
10:21:17AM THE OVERALL ISSUE, WHEN -- I WAS AT A COMMUNITY MEETING, I
10:21:22AM GUESS, IT WAS ON MONDAY NIGHT, IF I RECALL, AND HAD A COUPLE
10:21:26AM OF PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT ASK ME ABOUT THIS.
10:21:29AM AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED FROM COUNCIL'S POSITION WHEN IT
10:21:32AM COMES TO THE REAL ISSUE THAT I HEAR A LOT FROM THE PUBLIC
10:21:34AM AND I THINK WE ALL HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC IS THE IDEA OF
10:21:38AM REUSED WATER BEING IN DRINKING.
10:21:40AM THAT'S THE NARROWLY TAILORED ISSUE THAT WE HEAR ABOUT.
10:21:43AM THAT IS THE NARROWLY TAILORED ISSUE.
10:21:46AM ON THIS ISSUE, AND ON MANY RELATED ISSUES, MY POSITION MAYBE
10:21:51AM A YEAR AND A HALF AGO WHEN THIS THING FIRST CAME UP WAS TO
10:21:55AM LISTEN AND TO LEARN BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A BACKGROUND ON
10:21:57AM THIS ISSUE.
10:21:58AM MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A BACKGROUND ON THIS ISSUE.
10:22:01AM IN TERMS OF KNOWLEDGE OF IT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
10:22:04AM SO I LEARNED.
10:22:05AM I LISTENED, ET CETERA.
10:22:07AM I'VE COME OUT AGAINST THE IDEA, AND I THINK EVERYBODY HAS, I
10:22:11AM THINK, OF HAVING REUSED WATER BEING IN DRINKING.
10:22:15AM THAT IS A VERY NARROWLY TAILORED ISSUE.
10:22:18AM WHEN IT COMES TO DIFFERENT ISSUES, SUCH AS A STATE OF
10:22:21AM FLORIDA MANDATE, RIGHT, WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY WHILE
10:22:25AM CONTINUING TO HAVE OUR POSITION.
10:22:28AM I DON'T WANT TO -- HOW CAN I PUT IT?
10:22:31AM -- IGNORE THAT MANDATE IF THE CITY OF TAMPA IS GOING TO BE
10:22:34AM PENALIZED IN SOME WAY FROM IT.
10:22:36AM WE HEAR DISCUSSIONS ON HOW THAT LEGISLATION GOT PASSED,
10:22:40AM ALLEGATIONS OF CERTAIN ADMINISTRATION SUPPORTED IT,
10:22:42AM ET CETERA.
10:22:43AM I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK ON THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT THE
10:22:46AM ADMINISTRATION, RIGHT?
10:22:47AM BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW.
10:22:47AM I WASN'T THERE.
10:22:48AM BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THAT NARROWLY TAILORED ISSUE, I DO
10:22:52AM THINK THAT WE SHOULD MAKE OUR VOICE HEARD AND MAKE SURE THAT
10:22:55AM PEOPLE'S WILL.
10:22:57AM I HAVE IN MY SIX YEARS OR SO I'VE BEEN ON CITY COUNCIL, I
10:23:01AM HAVE NEVER HEARD SO RESOUNDINGLY FROM THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY
10:23:05AM OF TAMPA ON SUCH AN ISSUE AS I HAVE HEARD ON THAT ISSUE, AS
10:23:10AM I HAVE HEARD HERE.
10:23:11AM SO I THINK OUR VOICE SHOULD BE MADE, HEARD ON THAT ISSUE.
10:23:15AM IT IS A NARROWLY TAILORED ISSUE BUT YET IT'S NOT.
10:23:18AM IT'S VERY EXPANSIVE AND VERY BURDENSOME AND VERY MUCH SO ON
10:23:21AM THE MINDS OF THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA.
10:23:22AM SO I'M FINE WITH MOVING FORWARD ON THAT WHILE CONTINUING
10:23:27AM DIALOGUE AND CONVERSATION AND OTHER RELATED ISSUES THAT WE
10:23:30AM MAY HAVE TO HAVE A DIALOGUE AND CONVERSATION ON, SO LONG AS
10:23:34AM THAT ISSUE THAT I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY ON DRINKING WATER IS
10:23:36AM EXCLUDED.
10:23:37AM AND I THINK THAT'S THE POSITION OF COUNCIL, I THINK.
10:23:41AM I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF OTHER PEOPLE.
10:23:43AM I THINK.
10:23:44AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
10:23:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY.
10:23:47AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN FOLLOW UP ON THAT, COUNCILMAN
10:23:50AM VIERA, THAT IS A POINT THAT I HAVE LEARNED FROM THE
10:23:53AM ADMINISTRATION IN THE PAST WEEK THAT PURE, AS THE
10:23:57AM ADMINISTRATION SEES IT, ENCOMPASSES A BROAD SPECTRUM OF
10:24:02AM ISSUES AND THINGS AND PROJECTS, AND I BELIEVE THERE ARE
10:24:05AM GRANTS INVOLVED.
10:24:06AM IT'S BEYOND MY SCOPE.
10:24:08AM BUT IF THEN, IF THE ISSUE OF COUNCIL IS, AS YOU STATED,
10:24:13AM REUSE WATER IN THE DRINKING WATER SUPPLY, THAT'S VERY NARROW
10:24:17AM AND SPECIFIC.
10:24:18AM AND IF THAT'S WHAT -- IF THAT IS, IN FACT, THE ISSUE OF
10:24:23AM COUNCIL, THEN THAT IS A BASIS TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS IT WHEN
10:24:27AM YOU GET THIS INFORMATION FROM THE ADMINISTRATION.
10:24:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'LL GO TO MR. CARLSON AND THEN MR. GUDES,
10:24:33AM THEN MR. WEBER HAS BEEN ON THE LINE AND THEN I WILL GO TO
10:24:37AM YOU, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
10:24:38AM PLEASE AND THANK YOU.
10:24:39AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:24:42AM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK, MR. CHAIR, WE ARE HERE TO ASK THE
10:24:46AM CITY ATTORNEY QUESTIONS ON THIS.
10:24:48AM SO IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, WE CAN ASK THAT QUESTION
10:24:51AM OF STAFF AND THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY AVAILABLE.
10:24:53AM BUT THIS IS OUR DISCUSSION WITH OUR ATTORNEY BECAUSE WE
10:24:55AM CAN'T HAVE THIS DISCUSSION OUTSIDE.
10:24:57AM I THINK IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, WE CAN ASK THEM.
10:25:01AM JUST TO RESPOND TO MY COLLEAGUE, COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, THE
10:25:05AM OTHER ISSUE, DRINKING POTTY WATER IS THE MAIN ISSUE,
10:25:09AM OBVIOUSLY, BUT ALSO THERE ARE TWO OTHER ISSUES.
10:25:12AM ONE IS THE FISCAL IMPACT OF THIS, THAT IT'S COSTING THE CITY
10:25:18AM TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS JUST TO STUDY IT AND LOOK AT ALL
10:25:21AM THESE EXPERIMENTAL SYSTEMS COULD POTENTIALLY COST US
10:25:24AM BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AS PRESENTED BY THE CITY'S OWN
10:25:27AM CONSULTANTS YEARS AGO, ALTHOUGH THE CITY IS SAYING THAT'S
10:25:29AM NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
10:25:29AM THE OTHER PART OF IT IS THAT AS WITNESSED BY THE EXPERTS
10:25:36AM FROM SIERRA CLUB AND OTHERS LAST WEEK, THE PUBLIC DOES NOT
10:25:40AM TRUST THE CITY ON THIS ISSUE.
10:25:41AM AS I SAID BEFORE, THE PUBLIC DOES TRUST THE SAME PEOPLE ON
10:25:45AM PIPES AND ON OTHER PROJECTS RELATED TO WATER.
10:25:47AM BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON, THIS PROJECT SEEMS TO HAVE A
10:25:52AM POLITICAL AGENDA THAT'S BEING PUSHED THROUGH AND MY SENSE IS
10:25:56AM THAT EVEN STAFF DOESN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE PUSHING IT.
10:25:59AM AND IT HAS SET UP A DIFFICULT SITUATION, THE RELATIONSHIP
10:26:03AM BETWEEN CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF AND CITY COUNCIL AND THE
10:26:05AM ADMINISTRATION.
10:26:05AM SO I WOULD ASK, MR. SHELBY, THE THINGS I MENTIONED BEFORE,
10:26:09AM ONE, WE NEED TO CODIFY SOMEHOW THE LABELING OF AGENDA ITEMS
10:26:13AM SO THAT IT'S CLEAR.
10:26:15AM AND WE NEED TO MAKE A RULE SPECIFICALLY THAT IF IT'S NOT
10:26:18AM LABELED CORRECTLY, THAT AUTOMATICALLY GETS CONTINUED BECAUSE
10:26:21AM I MADE MOTION TO CONTINUE THINGS WHEN THEY WEREN'T PROPERLY
10:26:24AM NOTICED.
10:26:25AM IT'S NOT PROPERLY NOTICED BECAUSE DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT
10:26:28AM LABEL.
10:26:28AM PUBLIC SEES A WATER ITEM, DOESN'T SAY PURE, THEY DON'T THINK
10:26:33AM IT IS PART OF THE PROJECT BUT HEAVILY OBJECT TO ANYTHING
10:26:35AM RELATED TO THAT.
10:26:36AM THE SECOND THING IS THAT ALTHOUGH WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO
10:26:39AM CANCEL A CONTRACT, I WOULD MAYBE MAKE A SEPARATE MOTION TO
10:26:43AM HAVE YOU LOOK AT THIS CONTRACT TO SEE IF IT HAS AN OUT.
10:26:47AM MOST CONTRACTS HAVE AN OUT, AND WE COULD ASK YOU FIRST TO
10:26:50AM LOOK AT IT AND REPORT BACK TO US.
10:26:52AM SECOND, THEN WE COULD OFFICIALLY ASK THE ADMINISTRATION TO,
10:26:56AM EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO TELL THEM TO DO IT,
10:26:58AM WE CAN OFFICIALLY ASK THE ADMINISTRATION TO CANCEL THE
10:27:01AM CONTRACT BECAUSE IT'S WASTING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF
10:27:03AM TAXPAYER MONEY.
10:27:04AM DO YOU WANT ME TO MAKE THE MOTIONS NOW OR LATER?
10:27:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGAIN, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:27:17AM CAN YOU WAIT?
10:27:18AM THANK YOU.
10:27:18AM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:27:20AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DRAW A CIRCLE AND IT'S
10:27:26AM COMPLETED, THERE'S NO OUT.
10:27:27AM WE HAD MANY OUTS THROUGH OUR TERM.
10:27:31AM THE CITY HAS GROWN BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS.
10:27:35AM WHEN YOU HAVE A BUSINESS, AND YOUR BUSINESS GROWS, YOU HAVE
10:27:38AM TO CHANGE YOUR MODEL.
10:27:40AM YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE WAY YOU DO BUSINESS.
10:27:42AM WE'RE ASKING THIS MAN TO DO SOME THINGS, BUT HE'S
10:27:47AM SHORTHANDED.
10:27:50AM WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY, WHEN WE HAD A BUDGET TO GET HIM HELP,
10:27:54AM GET HIM STAFF.
10:27:56AM WE VOTED IT DOWN.
10:27:57AM MR. SHELBY WAS HUMBLE AND MODEST BECAUSE HE DOESN'T LIKE TO
10:28:01AM GET INTO POLITICAL INROADS, BUT TO ME HE IS THE ATTORNEY OF
10:28:04AM THIS COUNCIL, AND HE SHOULD HAVE SAID I NEED HELP TO DO MY
10:28:09AM JOB.
10:28:09AM I SEE THIS MAN, HELP TO DO HIS JOB, READING CONTRACTS.
10:28:14AM WE HAD A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT IMPROVING STAFF FOR THIS
10:28:16AM COUNCIL, THE CITY AGAIN IS GROWING BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS.
10:28:19AM WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE EXPERTISE LIKE THE ADMINISTRATION HAS.
10:28:22AM AT SOME POINT, THE COUNCIL HAS TO WAKE UP.
10:28:27AM AT SOME POINT, WE HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO CAN RESEARCH.
10:28:30AM WE ARE THE CHECKS AND BALANCES OF THIS CITY, PERIOD.
10:28:33AM CAN'T BELIEVE ANYTHING ANYBODY TELLS ME.
10:28:39AM THE FACTS BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE EXPERTISE.
10:28:47AM SAY SOMETHING 8th GRADE EDUCATION, MASTER'S DEGREE, STILL
10:28:53AM THINGS I DON'T KNOW.
10:28:54AM A LOT OF THINGS COUNCIL MEMBERS DON'T KNOW.
10:28:55AM THE CITY HAS GROWN.
10:28:58AM THIS COUNCIL, ANY OTHER COUNCIL COMING FORWARD NEEDS TO MAKE
10:29:01AM SURE THAT OUR CITY ATTORNEY HAS THE TOOLS AND RESOURCES TO
10:29:05AM BE ABLE TO CONFIRM, WHAT WE CAN AND WHAT WE CAN'T DO.
10:29:11AM BE ABLE TO HAVE THE FACTS OF SAYING THIS IS NOT SO.
10:29:15AM AND UNTIL YOU START TO DO THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO
10:29:17AM HAVE THE INFIGHTS WITH THE ADMINISTRATION.
10:29:20AM IT IS THE FIRST TIME PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT -- WHEN I TALK ON
10:29:23AM THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, THEY SAY, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME COUNCIL
10:29:26AM HAS REALLY STOOD UP FOR THE PEOPLE TO ASK QUESTIONS VERSUS
10:29:29AM PEOPLE WHO MIGHT WANT TO RUN FOR MAYOR DOWN THE ROAD AND
10:29:32AM THEY DON'T WANT TO PUSH THE ENVELOPE OPEN.
10:29:34AM I DON'T CARE ABOUT RUNNING FOR MAYOR.
10:29:37AM I CARE ABOUT DOING RIGHT FOR PEOPLE WHO ELECTED ME, TO
10:29:41AM QUESTION, THAT IS MY JOB.
10:29:43AM MY JOB IS TO WORK WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, BUT ALSO TO
10:29:47AM QUESTION THEM.
10:29:47AM THAT'S MY JOB.
10:29:49AM THAT'S IN OUR CHARTER.
10:29:50AM IT IS OUR DUTY.
10:29:51AM I SAY TO YOU GENTLEMEN AND COUNCILWOMAN, I THINK COUNCIL HAS
10:29:59AM TO WAKE UP.
10:30:01AM THE CITY HAS GROWN AND WE HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO CAN
10:30:05AM RESEARCH AND HELP, MR. SHELBY RESEARCH THE CONTRACT.
10:30:09AM WHEN DOES HE HAVE TIME DEALING WITH SEVEN COUNCIL MEMBERS.
10:30:14AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'VE BEEN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING AT THE
10:30:18AM CONTRACT AND LOOKED AT THE ADMINISTRATION'S POSITION.
10:30:20AM THERE IS A HISTORY TO IT.
10:30:21AM AND THERE HAVE BEEN CHANGES MADE AT THE COUNCIL MEETING, AND
10:30:24AM I'VE ONLY BEEN TANGENTIALLY INVOLVED FROM A PROCEDURAL
10:30:27AM STANDPOINT WATCHING WHAT'S HAPPENING.
10:30:29AM THERE'S A LOT OF PUBLIC POLICY HERE.
10:30:31AM AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT EVERY VOTE YOU MAKE HAS AN EFFECT,
10:30:35AM A PUBLIC POLICY EFFECT.
10:30:37AM AND I HAVE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH TO SEE HOW THIS CITY HAS
10:30:41AM CHANGED IN TERMS OF THINGS IT IS INVOLVED IN AND HOW MUCH
10:30:45AM DEMAND IS PLACED UPON THE ADMINISTRATION WITH COMMUNITY
10:30:50AM NEEDS AND THIS COUNCIL BASED ON COMMUNITY NEEDS.
10:30:53AM AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT IT IS A DAUNTING TASK FOR ANY
10:30:56AM ELECTED OFFICIAL ON A BASIS LIKE THIS TO GO THROUGH ALL THE
10:30:59AM SCRUTINY TO SCRUTINIZE ALL OF THE CONTRACTS THAT YOU ARE
10:31:03AM APPROVING.
10:31:03AM NOW, THE OTHER THING THAT COUNCIL CAN DO AND HAS DONE IN THE
10:31:07AM PAST AND NOTHING WRONG WITH IT, BECAUSE I'VE ALWAYS SAID
10:31:10AM THIS AND I'VE PROBABLY SAID THIS TO EACH OF YOU PRIVATELY,
10:31:14AM THAT A CITY COUNCIL, AN ELECTED OFFICIAL CAN ONLY MAKE AS
10:31:17AM GOOD A DECISION AS THE INFORMATION THAT'S PROVIDED TO YOU.
10:31:19AM I ALSO LEARNED, AS YOU SAID, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO HAVE
10:31:24AM ALL THE FACTS THAT HAVE THE EXPERTISE.
10:31:26AM AGAIN, MY LEAST FAVORITE EXPRESSION IS ONE I USE THE MOST
10:31:29AM OFTEN, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW.
10:31:31AM I ALWAYS SAID FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, TO BE AN EFFECTIVE
10:31:37AM ELECTED OFFICIAL, YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS YOU
10:31:39AM DON'T KNOW THAT YOU NEED TO KNOW TO MAKE THAT HAS TO DO THAT
10:31:42AM DECISION.
10:31:42AM BECAUSE ONCE THAT DECISION IS MADE UNDER THIS FORM OF
10:31:44AM GOVERNMENT, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT.
10:31:46AM ONCE YOU CREATE A CONTRACT, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO CHANGE
10:31:49AM THE COURSE OF ACTION.
10:31:51AM ON PREVIOUS OCCASIONS, COUNCIL, IF YOU DON'T -- IT'S BEEN
10:31:54AM SUGGESTED THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT HAS
10:31:57AM BEEN REQUIRED OR REQUESTED, THAT YOU CONTINUE THE ITEM FOR A
10:32:02AM PERIOD OF TIME.
10:32:02AM THE WAY THIS SOMETIMES IS STRUCTURED IS THINGS ARE VERY TIME
10:32:06AM SENSITIVE.
10:32:06AM THAT IS A CONCERN -- THAT IS WORKING OUT BETWEEN YOU AND THE
10:32:09AM ADMINISTRATION ON HOW TO PRESENT THESE ITEMS.
10:32:12AM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON HAS MADE A MOTION THAT WAS CONTINUED
10:32:14AM TO SAY THAT ITEMS OVER A CERTAIN DOLLAR AMOUNT APPEAR ON THE
10:32:19AM AGENDA IN ADVANCE OF IT BEING REQUIRED TO BE VOTED ON.
10:32:23AM SO YOU GET A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT, ASK THE QUESTIONS.
10:32:26AM THE PUBLIC IS AWARE OF IT, IT'S TRANSPARENT AND THEN IT
10:32:28AM COMES BACK AND VOTED ON.
10:32:30AM I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S GOING TO GO, BUT YOU ALWAYS HAVE
10:32:32AM THE OPPORTUNITY TO, IF COUNCIL, WITH ANY ITEM.
10:32:35AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, GO BACK TO MY SAME POINT, DON'T
10:32:40AM HAVE TIME TO DO ANY RESEARCH.
10:32:42AM WHO IS GOING TO DO MY RESEARCH?
10:32:44AM IF I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW, WHO WILL TELL ME WHAT I
10:32:49AM DON'T KNOW?
10:32:50AM TELL ME SIR.
10:32:51AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE ANSWER IS TO THE DEGREE THAT I CAN --
10:32:53AM IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME THE WAY THIS POSITION HAS
10:32:56AM BEEN STRUCTURED TO REVIEW EVERY CONTRACT.
10:32:59AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS CONTRACT.
10:33:01AM I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT IN GENERAL.
10:33:02AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, IN GENERAL FOR MOST CONTRACTS THAT
10:33:05AM YOU SEE ON THIS AGENDA, TAKE THIS FOR AN EXAMPLE, YOU SEE A
10:33:08AM CONTRACT FOR THE FIRST TIME ASSUMING ALL THE BACKUP MATERIAL
10:33:11AM IS THERE IN SIRE, YOU SEE IT ON A FRIDAY AFTERNOON IF YOU
10:33:14AM HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT ON A FRIDAY AFTERNOON.
10:33:16AM AND YOU'RE REQUESTED TO VOTE ON IT ON THE FOLLOWING
10:33:19AM THURSDAY.
10:33:19AM THAT'S THE WAY THINGS ARE STRUCTURED.
10:33:21AM NOW, IF THAT WORKS, THAT'S GREAT.
10:33:22AM FOR MANY YEARS, IT HAS.
10:33:24AM SO THE QUESTION THEN IS, BECAUSE THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS,
10:33:27AM THERE IS A CERTAIN OBLIGATION.
10:33:30AM YOU CREATE AN OBLIGATION OF THE CITY WHEN YOU AUTHORIZE THE
10:33:33AM MAYOR TO SIGN A CONTRACT OR EXECUTE A LEASE OR DO ANYTHING.
10:33:37AM AND THAT HAS, WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION IN THE PAST YEAR,
10:33:39AM WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT THAT SORT OF THING.
10:33:42AM AND THE ANSWER IS NOT MUCH, FRANKLY.
10:33:44AM SO THE QUESTION IS, HOW DO YOU DO THIS GOING FORWARD?
10:33:48AM BUDGETARIALLY WITH REGARD TO PURE, QUESTIONS OF THE
10:33:51AM ADMINISTRATION WITH REGARD TO PURE.
10:33:54AM SPECIFICALLY THOSE ITEMS THAT WERE RAISED THAT MIGHT BE
10:33:57AM OBJECTIONABLE, TO RAISE THOSE WITH THE ADMINISTRATION WITH
10:34:00AM THE SPECIFIC QUESTION OF WORKING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION,
10:34:04AM HOW DO THOSE ITEMS GET RESOLVED, REMOVED IF THAT'S WHAT IT
10:34:10AM TAKES.
10:34:10AM THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY YOU HAVE TO DISCUSS WITH STAFF.
10:34:12AM I THINK THE CLARITY OF WHAT IT IS YOU WANT TO ACCOMPLISH IN
10:34:14AM WORKING TOGETHER WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION, THE WAY IT'S
10:34:17AM STRUCTURED IS A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS, YOU HAVE TO WORK
10:34:20AM TOGETHER.
10:34:21AM COUNCIL CANNOT JUST TAKE, REMOVE THINGS FROM THE AGENDA AND
10:34:23AM ASSUME THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS NOT GOING TO GO FORWARD
10:34:25AM WITH WHATEVER IT'S AUTHORIZED TO GO FORWARD WITH.
10:34:28AM THAT WOULD BE, FRANKLY, NOT RECOMMENDED BY ME BECAUSE I
10:34:32AM DON'T THINK IN THE LONG RUN THAT IS THE BEST COURSE OF
10:34:34AM ACTION BECAUSE YOU WOULD BE AT THE EFFECT OF WHATEVER
10:34:37AM HAPPENS AS OPPOSED TO BEING THE CAUSE OF WHATEVER HAPPENS.
10:34:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE YOU FINISH?
10:34:48AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:34:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:34:49AM MR. WEBER.
10:34:50AM I'M SORRY, MR. WEBER.
10:34:54AM PLEASE HOLD ON.
10:34:55AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:34:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO HEAR FROM STAFF
10:34:59AM ON THIS.
10:35:01AM THE QUESTION IS ABOUT WHAT COUNCIL CAN DO TO PUT AN END TO
10:35:06AM THE PURE PROJECT.
10:35:07AM WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING THE PURE PROJECT RIGHT NOW.
10:35:09AM SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE NEED STAFF.
10:35:11AM WHAT WE'RE HERE JUST TO TALK TO MR. SHELBY.
10:35:14AM SO I'M FINE -- PERSONALLY, I'M FINISHED WITH THIS ITEM.
10:35:17AM I THINK WE CAN JUST MOVE ON.
10:35:20AM MR. CARLSON HAD A COUPLE OF MOTIONS HE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE
10:35:24AM AND I THINK WE MOVE ON.
10:35:26AM WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS,
10:35:29AM ESPECIALLY SINCE MR. SHELBY, OUR ATTORNEY, HAS RECOMMENDED
10:35:32AM WE SHOULD LISTEN TO THIS NEXT WEEK OR IN TWO WEEKS, AND THEN
10:35:35AM WE CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION FROM THERE.
10:35:37AM I THINK OTHERWISE WE'RE JUST BELABORING THE POINT.
10:35:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:35:47AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M GOING TO SAY THAT I DO NOT AGREE IN
10:35:49AM THEORY ON WHAT'S HAPPENING AND THE WAY IT'S HAPPENING.
10:35:52AM RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS AN EXERCISE OF WHY THINGS ARE
10:35:55AM THE WAY THEY ARE.
10:35:56AM I DON'T WANT TO HEAR FROM THE ADMINISTRATION.
10:35:58AM I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS, DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
10:36:01AM I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ANY SPECIFIC COUNCIL MEMBERS.
10:36:03AM BUT THIS HAS GOT TO STOP.
10:36:05AM THIS HAS GOT TO STOP.
10:36:08AM WHETHER I LIKE IT OR DON'T LIKE IT, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR
10:36:10AM DON'T LIKE, WHETHER THE PUBLIC LIKES IT OR DON'T LIKE IT AND
10:36:14AM THEY DON'T LIKE IT.
10:36:16AM I HEARD THAT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.
10:36:20AM DON'T WANT TO HAVE 8 MAYORS.
10:36:22AM ONE, WHETHER I LIKE IT OR DON'T LIKE THAT.
10:36:24AM WHETHER I LIKE THAT PERSON, HIM OR SHE, ONE.
10:36:27AM BUT THAT'S THE WAY THE LAWS ARE.
10:36:30AM I DON'T WANT TO HAVE -- I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A BIG OFFICE.
10:36:34AM I DON'T WANT TO BE A COUNTY COMMISSIONER.
10:36:36AM YOU CAN RUN FOR ANYTIME YOU WANT.
10:36:38AM I JUST WANT THE CITY OF TAMPA TO GO FORWARD, WHICH IS ONE OF
10:36:42AM THE BEST CITIES IN THE COUNTRY AND PEOPLE ARE COMING HERE
10:36:46AM BECAUSE THEY LIKE WHAT WE SEE.
10:36:49AM IN FACT, WE HIRED A PERSON, AND I DIDN'T THINK THAT PERSON
10:36:53AM WAS SMART ENOUGH BUT HE FOOLED ME BECAUSE HE WAS.
10:36:56AM HE TOOK THE JOB AND RESIGNED BECAUSE HE HEARD THE COUNCIL
10:36:58AM AND SAID I DON'T WANT TO WORK THERE.
10:37:00AM DON'T BELIEVE ME, CALL THE GUY UP AND ASK HIM.
10:37:04AM THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
10:37:06AM I'M NOT AFRAID OF ANYONE FROM THE ADMINISTRATION SPEAK.
10:37:12AM NOT AFRAID TO HAVE THE PUBLIC SPEAK.
10:37:14AM THEY ARE ENTITLED TO DO THAT.
10:37:15AM YOU NEVER HAD IT SO GOOD IN YOUR LIFE LIKE YOU HAVE IT TODAY
10:37:23AM IN TAMPA, FLORIDA.
10:37:24AM NEVER TAKEN A RIDE -- CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, NEVER HAVE I
10:37:32AM SPOKE TO HIM, ASKED HIM TO DO A DAMN THING FOR ME.
10:37:37AM NEITHER THE ADMINISTRATION.
10:37:37AM I VOTE ON WHAT I SEE AND HOW I SEE IT.
10:37:41AM I'VE NEVER TAKEN, GONE NOWHERE ON A TRIP WITH ANY ATTORNEY
10:37:48AM UPSTAIRS OR MR. SHELBY.
10:37:50AM NONE OF THEM.
10:37:50AM SO I'M NOT MAD AT ANYBODY.
10:37:57AM I'M NOT PLEASANT TODAY BECAUSE I'M TELLING YOU THE FACTS.
10:38:01AM YOU CAN TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT, BUT THE REASON WE HAVE WHAT WE
10:38:05AM HAVE IS BECAUSE OF EIGHT PEOPLE, NOT A THOUSAND PEOPLE, NOT
10:38:09AM 420,000 PEOPLE, EIGHT.
10:38:11AM AND WE CAN'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE SAYING TO EACH
10:38:16AM OTHER.
10:38:16AM I DON'T MAKE FRIENDS, AGAIN, WITH YOUR MONEY, AND I DON'T
10:38:21AM VOTE JUST TO GET ELECTED.
10:38:23AM I VOTE BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY I THINK THE CITY SHOULD GO AND
10:38:28AM HEAD FORWARD IN STEPS LITTLE BY LITTLE.
10:38:31AM WHAT OTHER AGENCIES ARE DOING, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT MR.
10:38:35AM WALTER IS GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT, IS THAT IT'S PARAMOUNT THAT
10:38:41AM YOU LISTEN TO WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY.
10:38:43AM BECAUSE WITHOUT A YESTERDAY THERE WILL NEVER BE A TOMORROW.
10:38:46AM AND WITHOUT TOMORROW, THERE WILL NEVER BE A FUTURE.
10:38:48AM SO THE FUTURE IS IN YOUR HANDS, ALL ELECTED EIGHT OFFICIALS
10:38:53AM OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:38:53AM AND I DON'T WANT ANY MORE STAFF.
10:39:00AM IF THE CITY IS GROWING SO BIG, WE LOOK AROUND TO SEE WHAT WE
10:39:03AM NEED TO DO TO SERVE THE PEOPLE.
10:39:04AM THE PEOPLE LOVE WHAT THEY DO BUT THEY WANT US TO GIVE THE
10:39:08AM SERVICE THEY NEED.
10:39:09AM THAT'S WHEN THE CITY GROWS.
10:39:10AM YOU DON'T SPEND IT ON MORE PLEASANTRIES FOR THE ELECTED
10:39:14AM OFFICIALS.
10:39:15AM I DON'T CARE IF I AM IN A DARK ROOM MYSELF WORKING, I GOT
10:39:19AM ELECTED TO SERVE.
10:39:20AM IN FACT, IT WAS LIKE THAT WHEN I GOT ELECTED.
10:39:22AM YOU HAD TO DO YOUR OWN MIMEOGRAPH MACHINE BACK THERE AND DO
10:39:25AM YOUR OWN DAMN AGENDA.
10:39:27AM YOU HAD ONE PHONE.
10:39:28AM NOW WE'VE GOT COMPUTERS, AND WE CAN'T EVEN COMMUNICATE WITH
10:39:33AM EACH OTHER.
10:39:33AM THAT'S ALL.
10:39:36AM I'M HAPPY.
10:39:38AM MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY.
10:39:41AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING TO ME.
10:39:51AM >>BILL CARLSON: DO YOU WANT ME TO GO FIRST?
10:39:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO, NOT RIGHT NOW, MR. CARLSON.
10:39:55AM THANK YOU.
10:39:55AM NOT RIGHT NOW, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:39:59AM MR. WEBER, ONE SECOND, PLEASE.
10:40:07AM TO COUNCILMAN GUDES' POINT, INFORMATION, INFORMATION,
10:40:11AM INFORMATION.
10:40:12AM I WANT TO KNOW ALL THE INFORMATION I CAN GET.
10:40:20AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR FROM STAFF.
10:40:22AM PLEASE MAKE A MOTION TO END THE DISCUSSION AND LET'S SEE
10:40:25AM WHAT THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL IS.
10:40:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO END THE DISCUSSION.
10:40:29AM >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND.
10:40:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ROLL CALL VOTE.
10:40:30AM WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY -- HANG ON ONE SECOND, PLEASE.
10:40:35AM WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TO END THIS
10:40:37AM DISCUSSION.
10:40:37AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:40:40AM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
10:40:42AM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:40:43AM >>LUIS VIERA: I SAY THIS JUST TO GIVE MY RATIONALE.
10:40:46AM I INTEND TO VOTE FOR THE MOTIONS WHETHER IT'S COUNCILMAN
10:40:48AM CARLSON OR COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:40:50AM SO THIS IS NOT TO THE MOTION.
10:40:52AM I MEAN, IF A MEMBER OF STAFF WANTS TO SPEAK, I JUST FIND --
10:40:55AM AGAIN, I GO BY REASONABLENESS.
10:40:57AM I FIND IT UNREASONABLE.
10:40:59AM PLEASE DON'T SPEAK FOR TEN MINUTES OR WHATEVER AND THEN
10:41:02AM INCUMBENT ON COUNCIL TO NOT JUMP ON, ET CETERA.
10:41:06AM BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT.
10:41:07AM AFTER THAT, LET'S END IT.
10:41:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THEN I RESCIND MY MOTION.
10:41:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:41:13AM MR. WEBER.
10:41:15AM >>CHUCK WEBER: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:41:17AM APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
10:41:21AM I DO ENJOY THE WORK --
10:41:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. WEBER, COULD YOU PLEASE SPEAK UP?
10:41:26AM >>CHUCK WEBER: APOLOGIZE.
10:41:27AM CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:41:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, SIR.
10:41:29AM >>CHUCK WEBER: OKAY.
10:41:30AM GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:41:31AM CHUCK WEBER, WATER DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR.
10:41:32AM THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
10:41:35AM I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU THAT I, TOO, ENJOY THE SUCCESS THAT
10:41:38AM WE'VE HAD WITH PIPES, AND I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE THAT SUCCESS
10:41:41AM IN ADDRESSING ALL OF OUR WATER QUALITY ISSUES.
10:41:44AM I DO HAVE TO JUST KIND OF ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I
10:41:48AM HEARD LAST THURSDAY.
10:41:53AM >>BILL CARLSON: WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE CHARTER AND
10:41:55AM WHAT OUR POWERS ARE REGARDING THE CHARTER, NOT ABOUT THE
10:41:57AM PRESENTATION LAST WEEK.
10:41:58AM THIS IS WHY OUR MEETINGS RUN OVER BECAUSE WE HAVE LONG
10:42:02AM DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE NOT RELEVANT.
10:42:03AM I OBJECT TO THIS.
10:42:06AM >>CHUCK WEBER: CHAIR, I JUST HAVE TEN SECONDS.
10:42:09AM >>BILL CARLSON: HAVE STAFF SET UP ANOTHER TIME FOR US TO
10:42:11AM TALK ABOUT IT.
10:42:13AM THIS IS JUST TO HEAR FROM THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY ABOUT
10:42:15AM WHAT OUR POWERS ARE IN REGARD TO THESE CONTRACTS.
10:42:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK: NOT ONLY THAT, THEY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY LAST
10:42:23AM WEEK TO SPEAK AND ASK FOR AN EXTENSION.
10:42:26AM SO I BELIEVE THAT IN TWO WEEKS' TIME THEY'LL BE ABLE TO
10:42:30AM ANSWER ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT THEY BROUGHT UP.
10:42:32AM THIS MOTION IS VERY CLEAR.
10:42:35AM WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TALKING ABOUT, MARTIN SHELBY,
10:42:38AM COUNCIL ATTORNEY, TO REPORT ON WHAT CITY COUNCIL CAN DO TO
10:42:41AM PUT AN END TO THE PURE PROJECT AND MOVE ON.
10:42:44AM WE'RE NOT DEBATING THE MERITS OF PURE RIGHT NOW.
10:42:47AM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW WE CAN MOVE ON.
10:42:50AM >>CHUCK WEBER: CHAIR, JUST A MATTER OF TRANSPARENCY, THAT'S
10:42:52AM ALL.
10:42:53AM OUR COMMENTS CAN WAIT UNTIL NEXT WEEK.
10:42:55AM JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY SOME THINGS THAT I HEARD THAT AREN'T
10:42:58AM ENTIRELY ACCURATE.
10:42:59AM IF I NEED TO WAIT UNTIL NEXT WEEK TO DO THAT, I APPRECIATE
10:43:02AM THE OPPORTUNITY.
10:43:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, MA'AM.
10:43:08AM >> McLANE EVANS, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
10:43:11AM THANK YOU, COUNCIL, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
10:43:14AM ON THE ISSUE OF COUNCIL'S AUTHORITY, MARTY HAS DONE A
10:43:18AM WONDERFUL JOB EXPLAINING THAT BECAUSE IT WASN'T EXACTLY
10:43:24AM SPECIFIC TO WHAT YOU ASKED.
10:43:25AM YOU ALSO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ASK STAFF TO APPEAR BEFORE
10:43:28AM YOU FOR STAFF REPORTS.
10:43:29AM I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT STAFF HAS PUT A LOT OF TIME
10:43:32AM AND ENERGY INTO RESPONDING OVERTIME SINCE LAST FEBRUARY OF
10:43:36AM THE VARIOUS REQUESTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE BEFORE YOU.
10:43:39AM I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU ALLOW THEM TO CONTINUE TO APPEAR
10:43:42AM BEFORE YOU AT LEAST TO RESPOND TO THOSE MOTIONS THAT HAVE
10:43:45AM ALREADY BEEN MADE THAT THEY ALREADY PUT A LOT OF TIME AND
10:43:47AM ENERGY INTO WORKING ON, FOR EXAMPLE, THE 16th AND THEN
10:43:53AM ALSO THE FOLLOW-UP WORKSHOP.
10:43:54AM I KNOW THEY ARE STILL WAITING ON THE REPORT FROM THE USF
10:43:57AM MODERATOR THAT THEY WANTED TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT TO YOU.
10:44:00AM BECAUSE THERE ARE LEGAL ISSUES SUCH AS WHAT TO DO ABOUT
10:44:03AM COMPLIANCE WITH SENATE BILL 64 INTO THE FUTURE THAT NEED TO
10:44:08AM BE BROUGHT BEFORE COUNCIL AND SOME SORT OF SOLUTION COME UP
10:44:13AM WITH.
10:44:13AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
10:44:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:44:15AM BEFORE WE GO TO COUNCIL, COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S MOTION, MR.
10:44:21AM SHELBY.
10:44:24AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, SIR.
10:44:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGAIN, READING WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAD
10:44:29AM SAID, IT WAS ASKED OF YOU, WHAT CAN BE DONE TO PUT AN END TO
10:44:36AM THE PURE PROJECT AND MOVE ON?
10:44:40AM IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THIS COUNCIL CAN DO TODAY OR IN THE
10:44:44AM NEAR FUTURE TO PUT AN END TO THE PURE PROJECT?
10:44:48AM YOU AND I DISCUSSED THIS EARLIER.
10:44:53AM WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL BUDGETARY HEARINGS AND REFUSE TO
10:44:56AM DO ANY OTHER CONTRACTS.
10:44:59AM IS THERE ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE TODAY?
10:45:06AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT'S A DIFFICULT QUESTION AND I'LL TELL YOU
10:45:08AM WHY.
10:45:08AM BECAUSE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS RECOGNIZING CERTAIN ITEMS THAT
10:45:18AM ARE OBJECTIONABLE WITHIN THE PURE PROJECT, WHAT ELSE IS
10:45:23AM CONTEMPLATED BY THE PURE PROJECT.
10:45:26AM SO I TAKE THIS THE WAY IT READS RIGHT NOW IS YOU'RE ASKING
10:45:29AM ABOUT THE PURE PROJECT IN ITS ENTIRETY AND RELATIVE TO
10:45:32AM WHATEVER IMPLICATIONS THAT THAT HAS.
10:45:34AM AND, QUITE FRANKLY, I AM NOT, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, TELL YOU
10:45:38AM WHAT YOUR OPTIONS ARE.
10:45:40AM I'VE TOLD YOU WHAT THE CHARTER ALLOWS YOU TO DO.
10:45:42AM I KNOW WHAT THE CHARTER PREVENTS YOU FROM DOING.
10:45:46AM WITHOUT KNOWING SPECIFICS ABOUT THE PURE PROJECT, BASED ON
10:45:49AM WHAT IS OBJECTIONABLE, I CANNOT STAND HERE TODAY AND TELL
10:45:53AM YOU ALL OF WHAT YOUR OPTIONS ARE.
10:45:55AM AND THAT IS THE TRUTH.
10:45:57AM SO THE QUESTION IS, AS WE STAND HERE TODAY, FRANKLY, THERE
10:46:03AM IS NOT ANYTHING THAT COUNCIL CAN DO TODAY IN ITS POWER TO
10:46:09AM END THE PURE PROJECT.
10:46:11AM BUT THAT DOES NOT PRECLUDE A DISCUSSION OF WHAT OTHER
10:46:16AM OPTIONS MAY EXIST RELATIVE TO THE CONTRACT AND RELATIVE TO
10:46:18AM THE STATE LAW, SENATE BILL 64, AND RELATIVE TO EVERYTHING
10:46:23AM THAT ENCOMPASSES THE PURE PROJECT.
10:46:26AM THAT IS A LONG ANSWER, COUNCIL.
10:46:28AM MY APOLOGIES, BUT I'VE TOLD YOU WHAT YOU CAN DO, I'VE TOLD
10:46:32AM YOU WHAT YOU CAN'T DO IN THE ABSTRACT.
10:46:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO
10:46:37AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON FOR HIS MOTION.
10:46:39AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, I HATE TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
10:46:43AM YOU CAN HANDLE IT.
10:46:44AM I NEED YOU TO TELL THE PUBLIC AND THIS COUNCIL, PER THIS
10:46:47AM CHARTER, PER OUR RULES, WHAT IS YOUR JOB DESCRIPTION, WHAT
10:46:52AM YOU CAN AND WHAT YOU CAN'T DO.
10:46:54AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ME PERSONALLY?
10:46:56AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.
10:46:56AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I CAN READ IT TO YOU VERBATIM.
10:47:00AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES TALK ABOUT, WHEN
10:47:03AM ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT, WELL, NEED YOU, YOU SAY -- I NEED
10:47:06AM YOU TO EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE SOMETIMES AS CITY
10:47:10AM COUNCIL, I THINK YOU'RE MY PERSON CAN GIVE ME THE STRAIGHT
10:47:15AM ANSWER TO TELL ME, SHOULD I BE VOTING ON SOMETHING?
10:47:19AM SHOULD I REALLY BE LOOKING AT SOMETHING?
10:47:22AM I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE ROLE AND THE PUBLIC
10:47:25AM UNDERSTANDS THE ROLE.
10:47:25AM THERE MAY BE CHANGES DOWN THE ROAD.
10:47:27AM I DON'T KNOW.
10:47:27AM I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS YOUR ROLE?
10:47:30AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU ASK A VERY GOOD QUESTION, EXCELLENT
10:47:32AM QUESTION.
10:47:32AM IT IS A BRIEF ANSWER BUT I WANT TO READ IT TO YOU.
10:47:34AM CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, THIS IS SECTION 2.04 OF THE CHARTER,
10:47:38AM THE CITY COUNCIL MAY EMPLOY ONE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY WHOSE
10:47:41AM SALARY AND QUALIFICATIONS SHALL BE SET BY CITY COUNCIL IN
10:47:44AM ACCORDANCE WITH THOSE ESTABLISHED FOR COMPARABLE ASSISTANT
10:47:47AM CITY ATTORNEYS, SAID CITY ATTORNEY SHALL, ONE, SERVE IN AN
10:47:52AM ADVISORY CAPACITY TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND SHALL PERFORM SUCH
10:47:56AM OTHER DUTIES, INCLUDING DRAFTING OF ORDINANCES, LEGAL
10:47:59AM RESEARCH, LEGAL ADVICE TO INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS, EXCUSE
10:48:02AM ME -- LET ME REPHRASE IT.
10:48:05AM AND SHALL PERFORM SUCH OTHER DUTIES INCLUDING DRAFTING OF
10:48:09AM ORDINANCES, COMMA, LEGAL RESEARCH, COMMA, LEGAL ADVICE TO
10:48:14AM INDIVIDUAL CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS RELATING TO CITY COUNCIL
10:48:17AM MATTERS AND PROVIDING INDEPENDENT ADVISORY OPINIONS AS
10:48:21AM REQUESTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
10:48:23AM AND THEN IT GOES ON, IT SAYS THAT I MAY -- IT SAYS, AND TO
10:48:29AM BE SUBJECT TO TERMINATION ONLY BY A VOTE OF CITY COUNCIL.
10:48:32AM SAID CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY SHALL NOT FILE SUIT, BRING OR
10:48:36AM DEFEND ANY ACTION IN COURT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY COUNCIL,
10:48:38AM THE MAYOR, THE SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS, OFFICERS, AND BOARDS OF
10:48:42AM THE CITY GOVERNMENT EXCEPT WITH WRITTEN AUTHORIZATION OF THE
10:48:45AM CITY ATTORNEY.
10:48:46AM NO ACTION OR OPINION OF SAID CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY SHALL BE
10:48:50AM CONSTRUED TO BE THE OFFICIAL LEGAL POSITION OF THE CITY AND
10:48:54AM SUCH LEGAL POSITION AND ACTIONS SHALL BE SOLELY WITHIN THE
10:48:58AM SCOPE AND POWERS AND DUTIES OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.
10:49:01AM THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS.
10:49:02AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT RIGHT THERE.
10:49:05AM YOUR LEGAL OPINION.
10:49:06AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
10:49:07AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: BUT YOUR LEGAL OPINION CAN BE TO THIS
10:49:10AM COUNCIL, BUT THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN SAY THAT'S NOT THE LEGAL
10:49:12AM OPINION OF THE CITY, IF I ASK YOU WHAT IS THE ADVICE OR YOUR
10:49:15AM OPINION FOR THIS COUNCIL, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE
10:49:18AM INTERPRETATION IS NOT SKEWED.
10:49:21AM TALK TO ME.
10:49:23AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, A LOT OF WHAT YOU DECIDE ARE
10:49:28AM PUBLIC POLICY DECISIONS.
10:49:29AM NOW, DO I HAVE AN OPINION?
10:49:32AM NOBODY ASKS, FRANKLY, AND I DON'T OFFER IT.
10:49:35AM THE PUBLIC POLICY DECISIONS THAT ARE ENCOMPASSED IN EVERY
10:49:42AM DECISION YOU MAKE ARE SOLELY YOURS.
10:49:44AM AND WHEN YOU SPEAK AS A BODY, FOR INSTANCE, WHEN YOU ASK
10:49:47AM ABOUT THE QUESTIONS OF THE RFP AND YOU WANTED AN OPINION
10:49:51AM WITH REGARD TO THAT, I ASKED YOU TO DO IT IN THE FORM OF A
10:49:53AM MOTION, SO IT'S NOT INDIVIDUAL LEGAL ADVICE TO A CITY
10:49:56AM COUNCIL MEMBER BECAUSE THERE ARE CERTAIN TIMES OVER THE
10:50:00AM COURSE OF MY MANY YEARS OF DOING THIS, IS THAT THERE ARE
10:50:05AM MULTIPLE PUBLIC POLICY DEBATES THAT TAKE PLACE ON CITY
10:50:08AM COUNCIL AND TO THE DEGREE THAT I CAN TELL YOU FROM A
10:50:12AM PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, HOW TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT YOU WANT
10:50:15AM WITHIN THE LEGAL PARAMETERS, THAT'S ONE THING.
10:50:18AM BUT THE THING IS, IF IT COMES DOWN TO A QUESTION OF WHAT CAN
10:50:24AM BE DONE WITH A PARTICULAR CONTRACT, THEN THE ANSWER IS, YES,
10:50:28AM I CAN TELL YOU WHAT CAN BE DONE WITH A PARTICULAR CONTRACT.
10:50:30AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I ASK YOU, WHAT IS YOUR OPINION, YOU'RE MY
10:50:35AM COUNSEL PERSON, AND I ASK -- I ASK YOU WHAT IS YOUR OPINION,
10:50:39AM ASK YOU WHAT IS YOUR ADVICE, SO PUBLIC POLICY OR NOT, I'M
10:50:42AM ASKING MY CITY ATTORNEY FOR ME TO TELL ME WHAT IS HIS
10:50:47AM OPINION OF THIS MATTER, CORRECT?
10:50:49AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
10:50:51AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:50:53AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DO HAVE OPINIONS.
10:50:54AM AND IN CONFERENCE, THIS WAS A DISCUSSION AND IT WAS MADE BY
10:50:58AM A MOTION LAST WEEK, AND IN THAT WEEK I'VE HAD THE
10:51:01AM OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BOTH WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND WITH
10:51:04AM THE CHIEF OF STAFF.
10:51:05AM I HAD A CALL IN TO MR. REMER ABOUT THIS.
10:51:08AM I HAVE QUESTIONS WITH REGARD TO THAT.
10:51:11AM I CAN FORM AN OPINION, BUT I DO, TOO, NEED INFORMATION.
10:51:14AM AND I CANNOT BASE THE INFORMATION -- I CANNOT BASE AN
10:51:18AM OPINION ON THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE NOW TODAY, WHICH IS
10:51:20AM WHY MY RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT
10:51:25AM OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO GET THAT INFORMATION, IF CITY COUNCIL
10:51:28AM WANTS ME TO HAVE AN OPINION WITH REGARD TO HOW TO PROCEED,
10:51:33AM THEN CERTAINLY I UNDERSTAND THAT.
10:51:34AM AND IF THAT'S COUNCIL'S DECISION, I WOULD LIKE THIS TO ACT
10:51:39AM AS AN ACTION OF COUNCIL.
10:51:42AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK, MR. SHELBY, IT IS NOT A MATTER.
10:51:45AM I THINK IT IS A MATTER OF WHEN YOU ARE ASKED FOR AN OPINION
10:51:48AM OF ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHETHER SOMEONE LIKE IT OR
10:51:50AM NOT THAT IS THE OPINION.
10:51:51AM WE'RE LOOKING AT YOU AS OUR LEGAL COUNSEL.
10:51:53AM THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT THE CITY ATTORNEY.
10:51:55AM I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE CITY ATTORNEY.
10:51:56AM I GOT TO LOOK AT WHO IS IN FRONT OF ME TELLING ME.
10:52:00AM THEN RUN DOWN HERE AND DISPUTE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, FINE.
10:52:03AM THEN WE GO AT IT AND WE FIGURE OUT WHO IS LIGHT OR WRONG OR
10:52:06AM THIS COUNCIL FEELS -- AS MY CITY ATTORNEY, I WANT MY CITY
10:52:10AM ATTORNEY TO BE ABLE TO TELL ME IF SOMEONE IS NOT GIVING ME
10:52:13AM THE RIGHT COLOR.
10:52:15AM I WANT MY CITY ATTORNEY TO TELL ME HOW I SHOULD PROCEED AT
10:52:18AM TIMES.
10:52:19AM THAT'S WHY I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M LOOKING AT WHAT THE
10:52:21AM CHARTER SAYS AND YOUR ABILITY TO HELP THIS COUNCIL MAKE THE
10:52:24AM RIGHT DECISIONS.
10:52:25AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
10:52:26AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:52:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:52:29AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:52:30AM AND, LOOK, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT ANYBODY IN THE HOT SEAT.
10:52:34AM BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO CITY ATTORNEYS.
10:52:37AM YOU CAN'T DO THAT IN ANY BUSINESS.
10:52:41AM YOU HAVE A BUSINESS -- DON'T SPEAK TO EACH OTHER.
10:52:45AM WHERE IS THAT BUSINESS GOING?
10:52:48AM WE HAVE A $2 BILLION BUSINESS HERE.
10:52:51AM IT'S NOT WHAT HE CAN OR HE CAN'T DO.
10:52:54AM SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO BE THE CITY ATTORNEY, WHOEVER THAT
10:52:56AM SOMEBODY IS.
10:52:57AM WE HAVE TO APPROVE THAT INDIVIDUAL.
10:53:02AM I CANNOT ASK MR. SHELBY.
10:53:07AM HE MAY HAVE AN OPINION ON SOMETHING AND STATE IT.
10:53:10AM BUT SOONER OR LATER, WHOEVER THAT CITY ATTORNEY IS, AND HERE
10:53:14AM IS THE PROBLEM THAT I SEE, IS GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE THE
10:53:18AM DECISION.
10:53:20AM NO MATTER IF I'M NOT HERE, NONE OF US ARE HERE NEXT WEEK,
10:53:26AM STILL GOING TO HAVE THE SAME THING IN PLACE THAT'S BEEN
10:53:30AM WORKING FOR A HUNDRED YEARS, AND WE'RE STILL NOT HAPPY.
10:53:34AM WE CAN'T STAND WHAT WE HAVE, AND THAT'S PROSPERITY.
10:53:40AM WE CAN'T STAND TO HAVE OUR KIDS ALL LIVE HERE BECAUSE NOW
10:53:43AM THEY ARE ALL COMING BACK FROM WHATEVER COUNTY THEY GO TO.
10:53:47AM WE CAN'T STAND TO HAVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WE HAVE NOW
10:53:50AM THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE 50 YEARS AGO.
10:53:52AM WE CAN'T STAND TO BE PROSPEROUS.
10:53:54AM WE CAN'T STAND TO BE UNDERSTANDING.
10:53:57AM I CAN GO ON AND ON AND ON.
10:53:59AM THAT'S WHAT I SEE IN LIFE.
10:54:01AM IN FACT, HAD, I THINK MOST OF US ARE HAPPY.
10:54:05AM I WAS HAPPIER WHERE I WAS LIVING IN THE HOUSING PROJECTS.
10:54:08AM I COULD SAY THAN I AM NOW.
10:54:10AM YOU KNOW WHY?
10:54:11AM BECAUSE I CAN SPEAK TO PEOPLE.
10:54:12AM I CAN PLAY WITH KIDS.
10:54:13AM ALL I GOT NOW IS A STUPID CELL PHONE THAT TELLS ME WHAT'S
10:54:17AM GOING ON IN ASIA.
10:54:18AM ALL YOU HAVE NOW IS ALL THIS TECHNOLOGY THAT BURNS YOUR
10:54:26AM BRAIN OUT AND YOU STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SEEING
10:54:28AM BECAUSE THE TECHNOLOGY CHANGES EVERY DAY AND INDIVIDUALS IN
10:54:30AM THOSE COUNTRIES CHANGE LIKE WE CHANGE THE COLOR OF OUR
10:54:34AM CLOTHES.
10:54:35AM AND WE'RE STILL NOT HAPPY.
10:54:37AM WE HAVE EVERYTHING WE HAVE GOING FOR US AND WE'RE STILL NOT
10:54:42AM HAPPY.
10:54:43AM WE WANT THE POWER.
10:54:44AM RUN FOR MAYOR, RUN FOR PRESIDENT, RUN FOR GOVERNOR, RUN FOR
10:54:50AM SOMETHING.
10:54:51AM BUT THIS CITY HAS GOT TO CHANGE.
10:54:55AM IF NOT --
10:55:01AM YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE BUSINESS -- BUSINESSES THAT ARE
10:55:04AM RELOCATING HERE IS AN AMAZING THING.
10:55:07AM I THINK WE'RE THE NUMBER ONE OR NUMBER TWO.
10:55:10AM WHO WOULD THINK THAT 20 YEARS AGO ROLL UP THE SIDEWALKS AND
10:55:15AM NOW THE CONVENTION CENTER LOSING MONEY OUT THE YING-YANG AND
10:55:20AM NOW CONVENTION CENTER IS BREAKING EVEN OR MAKING MONEY.
10:55:24AM THERE'S HOTELS THAT ARE FILLED TO 89 TO 90 PERCENT
10:55:29AM OCCUPANCY.
10:55:29AM NUMBER ONE OR NUMBER TWO IN THE WHOLE UNITED STATES AND
10:55:32AM WE'RE NOT HAPPY.
10:55:33AM THE AQUARIUM THAT WAS LOSING MONEY SOME TIME BACK HAS
10:55:38AM 975,000 PEOPLE VISITING EVERY YEAR.
10:55:41AM ZOO TAMPA, 1.2 MILLION.
10:55:44AM THE LARGEST VENUE IN THE STATE OF THAT TYPE OPERATION, MAYBE
10:55:49AM IN THE COUNTRY, AND WE'RE STILL NOT HAPPY.
10:55:51AM WHAT IS IT WE WANT?
10:55:53AM PEOPLE GET DIVORCES AND START DATING AGAIN BECAUSE THEY
10:55:59AM COULDN'T FIND A MATE.
10:56:00AM THAT'S HOW BAD WE ARE.
10:56:01AM AND WE'RE STILL NOT HAPPY.
10:56:03AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT I NEED TO DO TO CHANGE THIS, BUT I CAN'T
10:56:10AM DO IT.
10:56:10AM I CAN'T SOLVE 8 PEOPLE NOT GETTING TOGETHER AND HAVING
10:56:15AM CONSENSUS.
10:56:16AM MAYBE WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ALL COME FROM.
10:56:19AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU ALL, BUT WHAT YOU'RE LISTENING
10:56:25AM TO IS HISTORY.
10:56:26AM WHAT WE DO TODAY WILL BE THE FUTURE OF THIS CITY.
10:56:30AM LIKE IT OR NOT, THAT'S THE WAY IT GOES.
10:56:34AM IT USED TO BE THAT ANY CITY, KNOCK US FROM EVERYWHERE NOT
10:56:41AM HAVING A DOWNTOWN OR HAVING A DOWNTOWN DEPENDING ON WHAT
10:56:43AM SIDE YOU ARE ON.
10:56:44AM 250,000 THAT DOES NOT HAVE A DOWNTOWN IS DYING.
10:56:49AM TAMPA WAS DYING.
10:56:50AM WE CHANGED ALL THIS TO DIFFERENT MAYORS.
10:56:54AM THEY WERE ALL DIFFERENT BUT SAME THING.
10:56:56AM WANT TO LEAVE THE CITY BETTER OFF THAN WHEN I CAME IN AND
10:56:59AM THAT'S WHAT MADE THIS CITY.
10:57:00AM GUESS WHERE WE'RE AT, AND WE'RE STILL NOT HAPPY.
10:57:06AM PICK UP THE GARBAGE -- MISS ONE DAY, EVERYBODY BITCHES.
10:57:18AM PICK IT UP THE NEXT DAY, THEY PICK IT UP TWICE A WEEK, YOU
10:57:21AM KNOW.
10:57:23AM NOT ONE DAY A MONTH.
10:57:24AM TWICE A WEEK.
10:57:25AM 40 BUCKS.
10:57:28AM THEY TAKE IT TO THE INCINERATOR.
10:57:34AM THEY BURN IT.
10:57:36AM SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT.
10:57:39AM 15,000 HOUSES AND WE'RE STILL NOT HAPPY.
10:57:41AM YOU GOT TO SPEND 200 MILLION OR PLUS TO FIX IT, AND IT'S GOT
10:57:46AM TO BE DONE.
10:57:46AM AND WE'RE STILL NOT HAPPY.
10:57:48AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE NEED.
10:57:54AM IF I COULD SOLVE IT, I'D SOLVE IT, BUT I CAN'T NOT SOLVE NOT
10:57:58AM BEING HAPPY.
10:58:00AM THAT'S BORN IN YOU.
10:58:01AM THAT'S ALL, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:58:05AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: [INAUDIBLE]
10:58:08AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT TRYING TO GET AN ACADEMY AWARD.
10:58:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:58:14AM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS IN
10:58:17AM RESPONSE AND A COUPLE OF MOTIONS.
10:58:20AM FIRST OF ALL, TO MR. WEBER AND HIS STAFF, APOLOGIES THAT IF
10:58:28AM WE SEEM -- FOR THE PUBLIC, IF WE SEEM FRUSTRATED BY THIS,
10:58:32AM WE'RE NOT FRUSTRATED AT HIM AS A PERSON.
10:58:35AM WE'RE FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THIS PROJECT SEEMS TO HAVE MANY
10:58:38AM HEADS.
10:58:39AM IT KEEPS COMING BACK OVER AND OVER AGAIN, NO MATTER HOW MANY
10:58:42AM TIMES WE REJECT IT, IT COMES BACK.
10:58:44AM AT LEAST I'M FRUSTRATED THAT IT KEEPS COMING BACK ALL THE
10:58:46AM TIME.
10:58:46AM AS I SAID EARLIER, WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE DIVISIVENESS
10:58:54AM BETWEEN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND THIS, IT'S 90 PERCENT THIS
10:58:58AM PROJECT.
10:58:59AM AND THE PROBLEM IS THAT IF WE DISAGREE WITH THIS, AND THE
10:59:04AM ADMINISTRATION WANTS IT, THEY ARE GOING TO KEEP PUSHING AND
10:59:06AM WE GET FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THEY KEEP PUSHING FOR IT EVEN
10:59:09AM THOUGH REJECT IT.
10:59:11AM I SHOULD ALSO SAY, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE MY COLLEAGUES
10:59:14AM STAND, BUT THE CANDIDATES THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT ARE
10:59:17AM RUNNING AGAINST US WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE WHO IS NOT UP,
10:59:21AM IF ALL OF US WERE REPLACED, YOU STILL WOULD HAVE CITY
10:59:26AM COUNCIL THAT WOULD BE AGAINST THIS, BECAUSE THERE ARE ONLY
10:59:28AM TWO CANDIDATES THAT ARE IN FAVOR OF IT.
10:59:31AM AND YOU STILL WOULD HAVE PROBABLY FIVE VOTES AGAINST IT.
10:59:34AM IT DOESN'T MATTER.
10:59:34AM IT'S NOT THIS CITY COUNCIL.
10:59:35AM THIS CITY COUNCIL, THE THING IS CITY COUNCIL HAS TO LISTEN
10:59:38AM TO THE PUBLIC.
10:59:38AM THE PUBLIC DOESN'T WANT THIS.
10:59:40AM IT'S NOT THAT THE PUBLIC ISN'T EDUCATED ABOUT IT, THEY ARE.
10:59:43AM THEY DON'T WANT IT.
10:59:44AM IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
10:59:45AM IT SOUNDS SUSPICIOUS IN JUST ABOUT EVERY WAY.
10:59:48AM AND THE PEOPLE WHO WERE IN FAVOR OF IT THROUGHOUT LIKE
10:59:53AM CONSPIRACY THEORIES BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DISTRACT FROM IT IS
10:59:56AM A TERRIBLE PROJECT.
10:59:58AM SIERRA CLUB SCIENTISTS WHO HAVE 40 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE HAVE
11:00:01AM SAID IT IS A TERRIBLE PROJECT.
11:00:02AM AND THE PUBLIC DOESN'T WANT IT.
11:00:07AM WE HAVE SCIENTISTS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY WHO SAY IT IS A
11:00:09AM TERRIBLE PROJECT.
11:00:10AM THE HARD TRUTH FOR THE ADMINISTRATION IS WE HAVE A CHARTER.
11:00:13AM THE ADMINISTRATION ALWAYS SAYS WE NEED TO FOLLOW THE
11:00:16AM CHARTER.
11:00:16AM THE CHARTER SAYS THAT WE ARE THE CHECK AND BALANCE FOR THE
11:00:19AM ADMINISTRATION.
11:00:19AM WE HAVE THE RIGHT BY CHARTER TO APPROVE CONTRACTS.
11:00:22AM WE CAN APPROVE SENIOR STAFF.
11:00:24AM WE CAN APPROVE THE BUDGET.
11:00:25AM AND SO OUR SIMPLE QUESTION TO YOU BEFORE SOMEBODY GOES OUT
11:00:29AM AND SAYS WE'RE TRYING TO USURP THE POWER OF THE MAYOR.
11:00:32AM OUR SIMPLE QUESTION TO YOU IS WHAT CAN WE DO WITHIN THE
11:00:35AM POWERS THAT WE HAVE?
11:00:36AM THAT WAS SIMPLY IT.
11:00:37AM YOU HAVE GIVEN US A VERY NARROW AREA.
11:00:39AM WE HAVE THE OBLIGATION TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC AND USE OUR
11:00:41AM POWERS IN THE CHARTER TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC FROM BAD
11:00:45AM PROJECTS.
11:00:45AM AND WE HAVE DISSENSION BECAUSE THE PUBLIC DOES NOT AGREE
11:00:49AM WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND WE DON'T AGREE WITH THE MAYOR'S
11:00:52AM OFFICE AND WE WANT TO STOP THIS ON BEHALF OF THE PUBLIC.
11:00:55AM I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT ANY PROJECT THAT IS IN -- ANY
11:01:02AM PROJECT OR PROPOSAL -- SORRY.
11:01:05AM ANY AGENDA ITEM THAT IS IN ANY WAY CONNECTED TO THE 50
11:01:11AM MILLION GALLONS A DAY OF WASTEWATER GENERATED BY THE CITY
11:01:16AM MUST BE LABELED IN CAPITAL LETTERS WITH PURE, SLASH,
11:01:21AM WASTEWATER REUSE AND IF IT IS NOT -- IF IT HAS NOT BEEN
11:01:31AM LABELED LIKE THAT AND CITY COUNCIL ACCIDENTALLY VOTES FOR
11:01:36AM IT, ONCE WE DISCOVERED THAT IT WAS NOT LABELED THEN IT WOULD
11:01:39AM BE NULL AND VOID.
11:01:41AM THE SECOND IS THAT IF WE FIND ON THE AGENDA THAT IT IS NOT
11:01:47AM LABELED THAT WAY, THEN IT AUTOMATICALLY WILL BE CONTINUED TO
11:01:50AM THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING AT LEAST 30 DAYS AFTER THAT.
11:02:12AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CARLSON, RESPECTFULLY, GOING TO MR.
11:02:14AM GUDES' QUESTION, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO
11:02:19AM ACCOMPLISH AND THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THAT ULTIMATELY
11:02:23AM ACCOMPLISHES IT BECAUSE BY PASSING A CONTRACT AND THE MAYOR
11:02:27AM SIGNING IT, PER THE CHARTER --
11:02:29AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WILL JUST REMOVE THAT PART.
11:02:31AM SORRY.
11:02:33AM LONG MOTION.
11:02:33AM BUT IF WE COULD JUST TAKE IT AND REMOVE THAT CANCELLATION
11:02:39AM PART OF IT, YEAH, THE NULL AND VOID PART.
11:02:44AM DO YOU WANT ME TO REPEAT IT AGAIN?
11:02:46AM SO THERE IS A WHOLE LEAD INTO IT AND THEN WHAT IT SAYS IS
11:02:50AM THAT IF AN AGENDA ITEM COMES BEFORE US AND WE DISCOVER THAT
11:02:56AM IT'S RELATED TO PURE, SLASH, WASTEWATER REUSE, AND IT'S NOT
11:03:00AM LABELED THAT WAY, IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY BE CONTINUED FOR
11:03:03AM THE NEXT MEETING AFTER 30 DAYS, AT LEAST 30 DAYS OUT.
11:03:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION THAT'S BEEN MADE BY
11:03:15AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:03:16AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:03:17AM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
11:03:18AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:03:19AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE GENTLEMAN JUST
11:03:23AM SAID, MR. CARLSON, AND I APPRECIATE ALL HIS COMMENTS AND SO
11:03:26AM FORTH AND SO ON.
11:03:27AM HOWEVER, FOR EVERY WAY OF DOING SOMETHING, THERE ARE A
11:03:33AM HUNDRED WAYS TO UNDO THAT AND GET WHAT YOU WANT.
11:03:36AM YOU NARROWED IT DOWN TO FOUR LETTERS.
11:03:39AM P-U-R-E.
11:03:41AM AM I CORRECT?
11:03:41AM SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, SEVEN MONTHS FROM NOW OR FOUR MONTHS
11:03:45AM FROM NOW, THEY BRING SOMETHING BACK AND IT DOESN'T HAVE THE
11:03:48AM LETTERS PURE IN IT.
11:03:57AM WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SAY PURE.
11:04:00AM YOU HAVE TO BE MUCH MORE SPECIFIC ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING
11:04:04AM BECAUSE IT CAN GO AROUND YOU.
11:04:06AM >>BILL CARLSON: THE LEAD-IN IS THAT ANY PROJECT, ANY AGENDA
11:04:09AM ITEM THAT IS IN ANY WAY CONNECTED TO THE 50 MILLION GALLONS
11:04:13AM A DAY OF WASTEWATER THAT'S BEING -- PROCESSED WASTEWATER
11:04:17AM THAT'S BEING RELEASED FROM THE CITY MUST BE LABELED PURE,
11:04:21AM SLASH, WASTEWATER REUSE.
11:04:23AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I MAY IN TRYING TO HELP YOU, SIR, I'M
11:04:26AM NOT A GENIUS AT THIS.
11:04:27AM ONCE YOU NARROW IT TO 50 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, IT COULD BE
11:04:31AM 14 OR 16, YOUR VOID DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.
11:04:34AM >>BILL CARLSON: OKAY.
11:04:34AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY.
11:04:36AM THE HOOD.
11:04:39AM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I REMOVE THE 50?
11:04:49AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, RESPECTFULLY --
11:04:51AM >>BILL CARLSON: WE ALREADY PASSED THIS.
11:04:52AM THE ONLY THING THAT IS DIFFERENT IS THAT WE'RE SAYING THAT
11:04:55AM IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY BE CONTINUED MORE THAN 30 DAYS OUT.
11:04:58AM THAT IS THE ONLY CHANGE.
11:04:59AM WE ALREADY HAVE THIS ON THE BOOKS, BUT THE STAFF HASN'T
11:05:01AM FOLLOWED THAT.
11:05:03AM INSTEAD OF HAVING TO MAKE A MOTION EVERY TIME, IF WE
11:05:06AM DISCOVER, WE WOULD AUTOMATICALLY CONTINUE IT PAST 30 DAYS.
11:05:08AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHEN DO YOU DISCOVER IT?
11:05:11AM DISCOVER IT IN THE PREPARATION OF THE AGENDA?
11:05:12AM YOU DISCOVER IT FROM THE FRIDAY AFTERNOON THAT YOU GET IT TO
11:05:17AM THE THURSDAY AFTERNOON THAT YOU VOTE ON IT.
11:05:20AM MR. MASSEY?
11:05:24AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: REAL QUICKLY, AND I DON'T WANT TO
11:05:26AM COMPLICATE THE CONVERSATION, BUT SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE
11:05:29AM APPEARING ON YOUR AGENDA ARE A RESULT OF YOUR MOTIONS, WHICH
11:05:32AM DON'T INCLUDE THOSE WORDS.
11:05:33AM SO THAT'S PART OF THE CONFUSION THAT'S OCCURRED.
11:05:36AM WE'LL TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CLERK IS AWARE THAT IT NEEDS
11:05:42AM TO BE THERE.
11:05:43AM THAT'S PART OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED HISTORICALLY.
11:05:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:05:47AM >>LUIS VIERA: I SUGGEST STRONGLY THAT WE VOTE ON THIS.
11:05:51AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S INTENT HAS BEEN VERY CLEARLY STATED.
11:05:55AM WE ARE DISSECTING IT DOWN.
11:05:56AM WE'RE GOING ON AN HOUR AND TEN MINUTES DISCUSSING THIS ITEM.
11:05:59AM I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT WE VOTE ON THIS.
11:06:01AM I INTEND TO VOTE YES.
11:06:02AM LET'S PROCEED.
11:06:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:06:05AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:06:07AM LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:06:11AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:06:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:06:13AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
11:06:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
11:06:17AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:06:18AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:06:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
11:06:22AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA AND CITRO VOTING
11:06:24AM NO.
11:06:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MY REASONING BEHIND THAT IS SO MANY
11:06:28AM DIFFERENT THINGS THAT COULD BE IMPLIED.
11:06:30AM SO MANY THINGS THAT CAN BE ADDED OR TAKEN AWAY.
11:06:34AM IT'S SO BROAD RANGING ON THAT MOTION.
11:06:37AM THAT'S MY ONLY REASON WHY.
11:06:40AM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I MAKE THE SECOND ONE, TOO?
11:06:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:06:43AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE THE
11:06:49AM CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND HAVE
11:06:54AM THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY REPORT BACK TO US ON APRIL 6th
11:07:00AM REGARDING THE POSSIBILITY OF REQUESTING THAT THE
11:07:06AM ADMINISTRATION CANCEL THE CONTRACTS RELATED TO PURE.
11:07:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
11:07:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:07:14AM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:07:15AM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
11:07:16AM LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:07:24AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:07:26AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:07:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:07:29AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M GOING TO VOTE YES, BUT YOU'LL BE --
11:07:36AM YOU'LL BE BUYING IT BY SOMEPLACE ELSE COMING AS FINISHED
11:07:40AM WATER.
11:07:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
11:07:41AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:07:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:07:43AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:07:45AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:07:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:07:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'LL AMEND MY MOTION FOR MARCH 16th WHERE I
11:07:53AM ASK STAFF TO PROVIDE A COPY OF CONTRACT NUMBER 21-44.
11:07:57AM I'LL JUST AMEND IT TO ADD THE WORDS FOR PURE.
11:08:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE --
11:08:06AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT WAS THE MOTION?
11:08:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M AMENDING MY MOTION FOR THE MARCH 16th
11:08:11AM COUNCIL SESSION.
11:08:12AM IT IS THE VERY LAST THING, THAT STAFF PROVIDE A COPY OF
11:08:16AM CONTRACT NUMBER 21-44.
11:08:18AM NOW, I'M JUST ADDING THE WORDS "FOR PURE" AT THE END OF THAT
11:08:22AM SO THAT THE PUBLIC IS AWARE THAT IT IS A PURE DISCUSSION.
11:08:27AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR, YOU MAY WANT TO MAKE
11:08:31AM A MOTION TO REQUEST THAT THE CLERK, WHENEVER YOU ALL MAKE A
11:08:34AM MOTION THAT'S RELATED IN ANY WAY TO PURE, TO PUT THAT SAME
11:08:38AM LANGUAGE IN THAT MOTION AUTOMATICALLY.
11:08:40AM BECAUSE AT TIMES YOU ALL FORGET, I THINK TO PUT THAT IN
11:08:43AM THERE, AND THE CLERK DOESN'T REMEMBER TO PUT IT IN THERE.
11:08:46AM THAT'S JUST A SUGGESTION.
11:08:48AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
11:08:48AM THAT IS A GOOD SUGGESTION.
11:08:50AM I APPRECIATE THAT.
11:08:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO FIX THIS ONE RIGHT NOW.
11:08:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK,
11:08:56AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:08:59AM ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:09:05AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:09:07AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:09:08AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:09:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:09:11AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:09:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
11:09:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:09:15AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
11:09:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:09:18AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THIS IS GOING TO BE DIRECTED TO THE CHIEF
11:09:20AM OF STAFF.
11:09:21AM MR. BENNETT.
11:09:22AM OBVIOUSLY YOU HEARD THE DISCUSSIONS THIS MORNING.
11:09:30AM IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME.
11:09:33AM OBVIOUSLY VAST MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE AGAINST
11:09:38AM THE PROJECT, SO IS THE PUBLIC.
11:09:40AM I'M JUST ASKING, ONE SINGLE COUNCIL MEMBER, MAYBE YOU COULD
11:09:44AM HAVE A SIT-DOWN WITH THE MAYOR AND TALK TO THE MAYOR ABOUT
11:09:47AM THE PARTICULAR PROJECT AND LOOK AT POSSIBLY THE KINKS THAT
11:09:51AM THE PUBLIC DOESN'T WANT THIS PROJECT AND THE KINKS THAT
11:09:54AM MAYBE IT COULD BE SALVAGEABLE IF SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS
11:09:57AM THAT SOME OF THE OTHER SCIENTISTS AND OTHERS HAVE PUT FORTH
11:10:00AM IN REFERENCE TO WHAT THEY BELIEVE NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN THE
11:10:04AM CITY.
11:10:04AM I WOULD JUST ASK IF YOU COULD DO THAT AND MAYBE THE PUBLIC
11:10:07AM WILL BE MORE AT EASE TO OTHER SUGGESTIONS THAT THEY HAVE
11:10:12AM ASKED FOR, THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE VERSUS WHAT THE
11:10:14AM ADMINISTRATION HAS PUT FORTH.
11:10:17AM MAYBE WE CAN, AGAIN, HAVE A COMPROMISE OF THE MINDS TO DEAL
11:10:21AM WITH WHATEVER NAME WE WANT TO CALL IT, BUT MAKING SURE WE
11:10:24AM DON'T HAVE WHAT THE PEOPLE DON'T WANT, BUT DO GIVE THEM WHAT
11:10:27AM THEY DO WANT BECAUSE IT IS THEIR TAX DOLLARS.
11:10:29AM I'M TELLING YOU, WE ARE GETTING BEAT DOWN.
11:10:31AM ELECTION TIME, I DON'T CARE IF I'M REELECTED OR NOT.
11:10:35AM THIS IS WHAT THE PUBLIC IS SAYING.
11:10:36AM THEY ARE JUST ADAMANT ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
11:10:39AM SO IF THEY ARE ADAMANT, THE MAYOR IS NOT REALLY ON THE
11:10:46AM CAMPAIGN TRAIL BECAUSE SHE HAS NO OPPONENT.
11:10:49AM I JUST THINK YOU BEING THE CHIEF OF STAFF, I KNOW YOU HAVE A
11:10:50AM GOOD RELATIONSHIP, IF YOU WOULD JUST TALK WITH HER TO SEE
11:10:52AM HOW WE CAN PUT THIS TO BED IN SOME FORM OR FASHION THAT CAN
11:10:56AM BE WORKABLE OR NOT WORKABLE, SIR.
11:11:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: CHIEF, GO AHEAD.
11:11:03AM >>JOHN BENNETT: WELL, FIRST, I REALLY WANT TO THANK YOU FOR
11:11:06AM GIVING ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP HERE.
11:11:08AM JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
11:11:10AM I LISTENED TO OUR INTERNAL MEETINGS, I LISTENED TO COUNCIL
11:11:13AM MEETINGS.
11:11:14AM I GET A LITTLE BIT OF BACK AND FORTH FROM THE PUBLIC.
11:11:16AM LIKE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE'VE SAID, AND I APPRECIATE THE
11:11:19AM FACT THAT WE TALK ABOUT HOW WELL THE CITY IS MOVING.
11:11:22AM BUT WHAT I'VE NOTICED IN VERY COMPLEX ISSUES OVER 40 YEARS
11:11:25AM OF GOVERNMENT IS THAT YOU HAVE TO DECONSTRUCT THINGS WHEN
11:11:29AM THEY GET COMPLEX.
11:11:30AM AND A LOT OF COMMON SENSE WAS TALKED ABOUT TODAY.
11:11:34AM THE THREE THINGS I KEEP HEARING AS COMMON DENOMINATORS IS WE
11:11:38AM HAVE A PRECIOUS RESOURCE GOING INTO THE BAY, WHICH IS WATER.
11:11:41AM I'M NOT GOING TO WEIGHT WHETHER THAT IS GOOD OR BAD.
11:11:45AM WATER AS A RESOURCE.
11:11:46AM WE HAVE A LAW THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH SOMEHOW.
11:11:49AM TO ME, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, WHICH TRANSCENDS EVERY
11:11:53AM DEPARTMENT IS A LEVEL OF SERVICE TODAY AND TOMORROW FOR OUR
11:11:55AM COMMUNITY.
11:11:55AM SO DELIVERING WATER, I WON'T EVEN GET INTO THE ELEMENTS OF
11:12:00AM ALL OF THAT, BUT DELIVERING WATER IS A LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT
11:12:03AM WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, AND WE HAVE TO DO TOMORROW IS
11:12:06AM REALLY, I THINK, WHAT STAFF AND THE MAYOR ARE REALLY TRYING
11:12:10AM TO PROJECT IF YOU TAKE THE LABEL AWAY IS THAT WE HAVE A
11:12:14AM RESOURCE GOING IN THE BAY.
11:12:15AM WE HAVE A LAW WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH AND WE HAVE A LEVEL OF
11:12:17AM SERVICE THAT WE NEED TO SUSTAIN BOTH FOR THE WATER AND FOR
11:12:20AM THE ENVIRONMENT.
11:12:21AM AND I THINK IF ALL THAT COMES TOGETHER IN WHATEVER FORM OR
11:12:24AM FASHION, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST IN TAMPA RIGHT
11:12:31AM NOW.
11:12:32AM I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IN THE CONFIGURATION OF
11:12:35AM PURE, BUT THOSE THREE THINGS ARE NOT GOING TO GO AWAY, THAT
11:12:38AM WE HAVE THE WATER GOING INTO THE BAY, THAT WE HAVE A LAW
11:12:40AM THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
11:12:43AM LASTLY, WE HAVE A LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS
11:12:45AM RELYING ON US FOR GENERATIONS TO COME, AND IT'S BEEN AN
11:12:49AM AMAZING LEVEL OF SERVICE BASED ON PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS
11:12:53AM AND PREVIOUS AND CURRENT COUNCILS, WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS
11:12:56AM LEVEL OF SERVICE IN OUR WATER DEPARTMENT WITH RELIABLE
11:12:59AM EXPERTS.
11:12:59AM AND WE JUST GOT TO FIGURE THIS OUT TOGETHER.
11:13:01AM SO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BRING THAT FORWARD.
11:13:05AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I BELIEVE IT IS COMING BACK ON THE 16th.
11:13:08AM I ASK IN A MOTION BRING INFORMATION BACK FROM THE MAYOR AND
11:13:10AM HER SENTIMENTS ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO PROCEED WITH THE
11:13:13AM OTHER INFORMATION THAT'S GOING TO COME BACK ON THE 16th.
11:13:16AM >>JOHN BENNETT: FAIR ENOUGH.
11:13:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:13:25AM >>BILL CARLSON: COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES, THE PROBLEM WITH THAT
11:13:27AM IS THAT EVEN THE LAST CITY COUNCIL HAD TO ADDRESS THESE
11:13:32AM ISSUES.
11:13:33AM AND WE'VE HAD TO ADDRESS THEM THREE OR FOUR TIMES NOW.
11:13:36AM THE REASON WE ARE IN THE PROBLEM WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WITH THIS
11:13:38AM CONTRACT IS BECAUSE FOR THE THIRD TIME I THINK IN THE LAST
11:13:43AM FOUR YEARS, THEY SAID, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO RESET AND GOING
11:13:45AM TO LOOK AT OBJECTIVELY AND GET THE ALTERNATIVES.
11:13:49AM AND THE PUBLIC, THE WORKING GROUP I THINK UNANIMOUSLY, WHICH
11:13:54AM INCLUDES SCIENTISTS LOCALLY AND NATIONALLY WHICH HAVE GREAT
11:13:59AM -- ANYBODY CAN WATCH THE VIDEO FROM LAST WEEK IF THEY WANT.
11:14:03AM THESE ARE NOT JUST PEOPLE WHO ARE -- WHO HAVE A POLITICAL
11:14:06AM AGENDA.
11:14:06AM THEY ARE SCIENTISTS WHO ACTUALLY STUDIED THIS.
11:14:09AM IT'S NOT A LEGITIMATE PROJECT.
11:14:11AM IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED.
11:14:13AM THE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS IN TAMPA ARE DIFFERENT, AND THERE'S
11:14:16AM BEEN A LOT OF RHETORIC PRESENTED BY THE STAFF AND THE
11:14:19AM MAYOR'S OFFICE.
11:14:20AM AND IT APPEARS TO BE WRAPPED AROUND SOME KIND OF POLITICAL
11:14:23AM AGENDA RATHER THAN SOMETHING WE NEED.
11:14:25AM WHY WOULD YOU PUSH FOR SOMETHING THAT'S SO EXPENSIVE THAT WE
11:14:27AM DON'T NEED?
11:14:28AM WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T NEED IT.
11:14:30AM THE ONLY EXCUSE LEFT IS THIS LAW, AND IF WE START WITH THE
11:14:34AM ASSUMPTION THAT WE HAVE TO ADHERE TO THE LAW, THEN WE LOSE.
11:14:38AM WE NEED TO CHANGE THE LAW.
11:14:40AM PEOPLE CHANGE LAWS ALL THE TIME.
11:14:42AM THAT'S ADVOCACY.
11:14:43AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ASK TO BRING BACK THE MAYOR'S POSITION TO
11:14:45AM THIS COUNCIL.
11:14:46AM >>BILL CARLSON: BUT THE STAFF ALREADY SAID NO THAT THE MAYOR
11:14:49AM DOESN'T WANT TO DO THAT.
11:14:51AM TO MR. BENNETT'S COMMENTS, WE HAVE OUR RESOURCES GOING IN,
11:14:55AM THREE YEARS AGO PRESENTED AS A RESOURCE THAT IS BEING
11:14:58AM WASTED.
11:14:58AM IT'S NOT BEING WASTED.
11:14:59AM WE KNOW FROM SCIENTISTS THAT IT'S BENEFITING THE BAY.
11:15:02AM IT IS A BENEFICIAL USE.
11:15:03AM BUT SOMEBODY GOT THE DEP, SORRY, THE LEGISLATURE TO WRITE
11:15:09AM SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IN THAT SEEMS TO BE TAILORED FOR TAMPA TO
11:15:13AM REQUIRE US TO USE IT FOR MINIMUM FLOWS.
11:15:15AM AND IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
11:15:16AM NONE OF THIS MAKES SENSE.
11:15:18AM AND IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FROM A SCIENTIFIC POINT OF VIEW.
11:15:21AM IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL OR PUBLIC HEALTH
11:15:24AM SAFETY POINT OF VIEW.
11:15:25AM IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE MOST IMPORTANTLY FROM A FINANCIAL
11:15:27AM POINT OF VIEW.
11:15:28AM SO WHAT HAPPENS IS WE ASK THE QUESTION AGAIN, OKAY, CAN YOU
11:15:31AM GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT OBJECTIVELY?
11:15:33AM WE ALREADY HAD LIKE THREE TIMES AROUND THAT.
11:15:35AM AND THE PUBLIC SAID THEY WANTED PURPLE PIPES.
11:15:38AM FOR EXAMPLE, FOUR YEARS AGO.
11:15:41AM THE CONSULTANTS FOR THE STAFF CAME BACK AND THEY PRESENTED A
11:15:43AM MODEL.
11:15:44AM EVERY MODEL IS BIASED -- SORRY, EVERY OUTCOME IS BIASED BY
11:15:50AM THE MODEL YOU PUT TOGETHER.
11:15:52AM THE MODEL FOR PURPLE PIPES WAS FLAWED BECAUSE THEY LOOKED AT
11:15:54AM THE WHOLE CITY AND THEY DID NOT INCLUDE THE POSSIBILITY OF
11:15:57AM AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD REQUIRE PEOPLE TO FIRST USE THAT
11:16:00AM WATER TO WATER THEIR LAWNS, WHICH WOULD PROVIDE MORE
11:16:02AM REVENUE.
11:16:03AM SO THE WHOLE MODEL FOR THAT WAS WRONG.
11:16:05AM SO ENDED UP BEING THE HIGHEST COST.
11:16:07AM AND SO THEN QUICKLY THEY SELECTED THE ONE THEY WANTED.
11:16:10AM AND SO IT LOOKS LIKE EVERY TIME WE BRING THIS UP WE GO
11:16:14AM THROUGH SOME HALF-BAKED PROCESS WHERE THE MODELS ARE FLAWED
11:16:18AM TO BENEFIT THE EXPERIMENTAL KIND OF JUNK SCIENCE OF THIS
11:16:25AM SPECIFIC PROPOSAL.
11:16:28AM AND THE ARGUMENTS ARE NOT VALID FOR THIS SPECIFIC PROPOSAL.
11:16:32AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WOULD RATHER SEE THE MAYOR WOULD KILL THE
11:16:35AM PROJECT.
11:16:35AM >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT I WOULD ASK THE MAYOR TO DO, I PUBLICLY
11:16:40AM SAID THIS AND I HAVE ASKED CHIEF OF STAFF TWICE PRIVATELY IN
11:16:42AM THE LAST TWO WEEKS, CAN WE PLEASE RESET.
11:16:47AM SEVERAL OF US MIGHT NOT BE HERE IN A MONTH OR TWO.
11:16:50AM IF I'M HERE, I WOULD LIKE TO RESET.
11:16:52AM AND THIS IS WHERE I WENT OFF TRACK WITH THE MAYOR.
11:16:59AM AND I HAD ASKED THE MAYOR, CAN WE AGREE TO DISAGREE?
11:17:01AM I HOPE THAT HEARING THE FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC THAT THE
11:17:05AM MAYOR WILL BE ON THE SAME SIDE.
11:17:06AM WE ARE ON THE SIDE OF THE PUBLIC.
11:17:08AM I HOPE THE MAYOR WILL BE ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE PUBLIC AND
11:17:10AM HELP US FIGHT THIS.
11:17:11AM HELP US FIGHT THIS LEGISLATION.
11:17:12AM HELP US USE THE LEGAL AND LOBBYING RESOURCE TO STOP IT.
11:17:15AM AND LET'S LOOK AT REAL SCIENCE, OBJECTIVE SCIENCE AND TRY TO
11:17:21AM SAVE OUR TAXPAYERS MONEY AND PROTECT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY
11:17:26AM OF OUR PEOPLE AND OUR ENVIRONMENT.
11:17:28AM IF WE CAN WORK TOGETHER ON THIS, WE CAN AGREE ON ANYTHING,
11:17:31AM BECAUSE THIS IS LIKE 90% OF THE PROBLEM BETWEEN CITY COUNCIL
11:17:34AM AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.
11:17:35AM THANK YOU.
11:17:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:17:39AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT TRYING TO GET POINT -- STUFF, BUT
11:17:44AM HISTORY TELLS ME, BACK IN THE GRECO ADMINISTRATION, FIRST
11:17:50AM GOT ELECTED.
11:17:52AM I WASN'T HERE.
11:17:52AM THE GOVERNMENT GAVE SO MUCH MONEY TO ST. PETE, AN EQUAL
11:17:59AM AMOUNT TO TAMPA TO DO SOMETHING.
11:18:00AM THE MAYOR, WHOEVER HE WAS IN ST. PETERSBURG, DID A
11:18:05AM DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM.
11:18:06AM THE MAYOR HERE IN TAMPA AT THAT TIME WAS DICK GRECO.
11:18:09AM HE DIDN'T DO A DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM.
11:18:11AM HE DID AN EXPANSION OF THE TERTIARY TREATMENT PLANT BY ABOUT
11:18:15AM 30 OR 35 MILLION GALLONS.
11:18:17AM ST. PETERSBURG -- OUT OF THE WATER AND PEOPLE GET UPSET WITH
11:18:28AM THE MAYOR.
11:18:28AM THE MAYOR THERE DIDN'T DO IT.
11:18:30AM MAYOR 40, 50 YEARS AGO DID IT.
11:18:32AM WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU HAVE A WATER CRISIS?
11:18:36AM FOLKS, LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, THIS ISN'T ABOUT PURE.
11:18:42AM ISN'T ABOUT ME.
11:18:43AM ISN'T ABOUT THIS COUNCIL.
11:18:45AM ISN'T ABOUT THIS MAYOR.
11:18:46AM IT IS ABOUT FACTS.
11:18:47AM DON'T BELIEVE, I WANT YOU TO GO OUT AND LOOK FOR IT.
11:18:53AM AND PURE IS NOT THE DRINK THAT I KNOW OF.
11:18:58AM HOWEVER, PURE COULD BE DRANK.
11:19:01AM THERE ARE 32 WATER UTILITIES IN THE COUNTRY THAT DO IT.
11:19:04AM I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD DO IT.
11:19:06AM I'M BRINGING IT UP SO YOU LOOK FOR IT YOURSELF.
11:19:09AM I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ONE PERSON THAT DIED IN THE COUNTRY, NOT
11:19:17AM ONE.
11:19:18AM THE AGENCY THAT I REPRESENT THE MAYOR, BEEN REPRESENTING
11:19:23AM FOUR MAYORS THERE, I LISTEN.
11:19:27AM THEY ARE LOOKING FOR WATER ALL THE TIME.
11:19:34AM I GUESS YOU'LL BE BUYING WATER FROM THEM FOR A LONG, LONG
11:19:37AM TIME.
11:19:37AM IT'S INCUMBENT UPON YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO TELL YOU THE
11:19:42AM FACTS.
11:19:43AM I'VE HEARD THE NAME MENTIONED SCIENTIST AND SCIENTISTS AND
11:19:48AM SCIENTISTS.
11:19:51AM SURE, ONE CLUB, THE SIERRA CLUB, THEY DO A GREAT JOB.
11:19:54AM WONDERFUL JOB.
11:19:55AM I HAVEN'T HEARD -- I HAVEN'T HEARD OF THE NATIONAL SIERRA
11:20:05AM CLUB, HAVEN'T HEARD FROM, BUT I THINK THEY ARE THERE.
11:20:07AM I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY FEEL.
11:20:08AM JUST FEELING FOR ME.
11:20:12AM THERE ARE OTHER AREAS OF TOWN IN THE CITIES THAT I BELIEVE,
11:20:16AM AND I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THIS, SO DON'T TAKE IT THAT MIRANDA
11:20:19AM SAY THIS.
11:20:20AM I'M SAYING I'M NOT SURE.
11:20:21AM BUT I THINK ABOUT 18 MILES JUST EAST OF US, GO LOOK WHAT
11:20:29AM PLANT CITY IS DOING.
11:20:31AM I'VE HEARD RUMORS.
11:20:32AM THEY ARE NOT FACTS, AND I ADMIT THEY ARE NOT FACTS.
11:20:34AM BUT I ASK YOU TO GO AND CALL ST. PETERSBURG -- I MEAN, PLANT
11:20:38AM CITY, AND SEE WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
11:20:40AM I'VE HEARD RUMORS.
11:20:43AM THAT'S ALL I CAN TELL YOU.
11:20:44AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:20:44AM I REALLY ENJOYED THE CONVERSATION, THE GIVE AND TAKE.
11:20:49AM >>JOHN BENNETT: AM I GOOD?
11:20:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY -- WE'RE HERE NOW.
11:20:58AM ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM?
11:21:00AM I SEE AT LEAST ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR ATTORNEYS THAT ARE IN
11:21:06AM THIS CHAMBER RIGHT NOW CHARGING THEIR CLIENTS $300 PER HOUR.
11:21:10AM I'M GOING TO ASK THAT SOMEONE OPEN THE 9:30 PUBLIC HEARINGS
11:21:14AM SO THAT WE CAN GET SOME OF THESE SECOND READINGS OUT OF THE
11:21:17AM WAY AND DO THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS.
11:21:19AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:21:20AM IF EVERYBODY COULD PLEASE STAND UP AND BE SWORN IN IF YOU'RE
11:21:27AM GOING TO BE GIVING ANY TYPE OF --
11:21:36AM [OATH ADMINISTERED BY THE CLERK]
11:21:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
11:21:41AM AGENDA ITEM 55, FILE VAC-23-03.
11:21:46AM VAC-23-03.
11:21:54AM >>ROSS SAMONS: PRESENTING FILE VAC-23-03.
11:21:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAD A MOTION TO OPEN THE 9:30 MEETINGS BY
11:22:02AM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:22:03AM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
11:22:05AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:22:05AM MOTION PASSES.
11:22:07AM MR. SAMONS, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
11:22:09AM >>ROSS SAMONS: ROSS SAMONS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION
11:22:13AM PRESENTING FILE VAC-23-03.
11:22:15AM THE ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
11:22:17AM ADOPTION.
11:22:17AM IT IS AN ORDINANCE TO VACATE, CLOSE, DISCONTINUE AND ABANDON
11:22:20AM A PORTION OF NEWPORT AVENUE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND CERTAIN
11:22:24AM ALLEYWAY BOTH LOCATED NORTH OF A STREET, SOUTH OF NORTH B
11:22:30AM STREET, EAST OF WILLOW AVENUE AND WEST OF CSX RAILROAD
11:22:34AM CORRIDOR WITHIN THE PLAT OF COLLINS DECISION TO WEST TAMPA
11:22:38AM SUBDIVISION.
11:22:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF?
11:22:40AM IS THE PETITIONER HERE?
11:22:42AM IS THE PETITIONER HERE FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 55, VAC-23-03?
11:22:51AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:22:56AM CAN YOU PLEASE READ THE -- NO ONE IS REGISTERED TO SPEAK.
11:23:04AM MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:23:07AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:23:09AM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
11:23:10AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:23:11AM MOTION CARRIES.
11:23:12AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:23:12AM >>BILL CARLSON: LIKE TO MOVE FILE VAC-23-03, ORDINANCE BEING
11:23:19AM PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE OF
11:23:21AM THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING, CLOSING,
11:23:23AM DISCONTINUING, AND ABANDONING A PORTION OF NEWPORT AVENUE
11:23:26AM RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THAT CERTAIN ALLEYWAY BOTH LOCATED NORTH OF
11:23:29AM NORTH A STREET, SOUTH OF NORTH B STREET, EAST OF WILLOW
11:23:33AM AVENUE, AND WEST OF THE CSX RAILROAD CORRIDOR, ALL WITHIN
11:23:37AM THE PLAT OF COLLINS ADDITION TO WEST TAMPA SUBDIVISION IN
11:23:41AM THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA, AS MORE
11:23:44AM FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 HEREOF, SUBJECT TO THE
11:23:47AM RESERVATION OF CERTAIN EASEMENTS AND THE IMPOSITION OF
11:23:50AM CERTAIN COVENANTS, CONDITIONS, AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE
11:23:53AM PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN; PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND
11:23:56AM PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS, PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND
11:23:59AM PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS, PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS,
11:24:02AM INTERPRETATIONS AND REPEALING CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR
11:24:05AM SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:24:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON,
11:24:10AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:24:12AM PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
11:24:19AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA AND
11:24:21AM HURTAK BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
11:24:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
11:24:23AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 56, FILE NUMBER REZ-22-89.
11:24:33AM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
11:24:36AM AGENDA ITEM 56, CASE REZ-22-89 IS BEING HEARD FOR SECOND
11:24:40AM READING AND ADOPTION AT THE LOCATION OF 3410 NORTH 11th
11:24:45AM STREET.
11:24:46AM THIS IS FOR A PROPOSED REZONING FROM RS 50 RESIDENTIAL
11:24:49AM SINGLE-FAMILY TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL,
11:24:53AM SINGLE-FAMILY, DETACHED.
11:24:55AM SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED IN TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
11:24:57AM I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
11:24:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
11:25:00AM PETITIONER?
11:25:13AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:25:14AM DANIEL SHOCKEY WITH NORTHSIDE ENGINEERING.
11:25:16AM I APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL'S SUPPORT LAST MONTH.
11:25:19AM I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT IT.
11:25:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS OF THE PETITIONER?
11:25:23AM IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS?
11:25:29AM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
11:25:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN
11:25:32AM GUDES.
11:25:33AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:25:34AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:25:34AM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:25:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:25:39AM I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
11:25:41AM ADOPTION.
11:25:42AM ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 3410
11:25:45AM NORTH 11th STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND MORE
11:25:49AM PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
11:25:51AM CLASSIFICATION RS-50, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY, TO PD
11:25:54AM PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY, DETACHED,
11:25:57AM PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:25:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
11:25:59AM MANISCALCO.
11:25:59AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:26:01AM PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
11:26:07AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:26:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
11:26:12AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 57, FILE REZ-22-125.
11:26:19AM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
11:26:21AM THIS IS BEING HEARD FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT THE
11:26:24AM LOCATION 210 EAST COLUMBUS DRIVE AND 2702 AND 2706 NORTH
11:26:29AM MORGAN STREET.
11:26:31AM PROPOSED REZONING FROM CI, COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE, AND RS-50,
11:26:35AM RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY, TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT,
11:26:38AM RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED AND SEMI DETACHED.
11:26:42AM SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
11:26:45AM I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
11:26:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
11:26:48AM PETITIONER?
11:26:49AM >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
11:26:51AM JUST BRIEFLY, JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
11:26:53AM YOU MAY RECALL A FEW WEEKS AGO, THIS IS A FOUR-UNIT PROJECT
11:26:58AM IN TAMPA HEIGHTS.
11:27:00AM RECEIVED UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATIONS FOR APPROVAL FROM YOUR
11:27:03AM STAFF, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF, ARC STAFF, AND THE ARC.
11:27:07AM WE ALSO SUBMITTED TO CITY COUNCIL, FOR THE RECORD, ABOUT 20
11:27:11AM LETTERS IN SUPPORT FROM STAKEHOLDERS IN THE IMMEDIATE
11:27:13AM VICINITY OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
11:27:16AM IN ADDITION, THE CLIENT AGREED TO, WITHOUT ANY REQUIREMENT
11:27:20AM OR OBLIGATION, TO STIPULATE THAT ONE OF THE UNITS WOULD MEET
11:27:23AM THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR A
11:27:27AM PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS.
11:27:28AM SO THAT BEING SAID, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL GLADLY
11:27:32AM ATTEMPT TO ANSWER THEM.
11:27:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER?
11:27:35AM SEEING NONE, IS THERE ANYONE IN COUNCIL THAT WISHES TO MAKE
11:27:40AM A STATEMENT?
11:27:40AM PUBLIC COMMENT?
11:27:46AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
11:27:47AM STEVE MICHELINI, REPRESENTING JOSH TABBY AND HIS FIANCÉE,
11:27:52AM STEPHANY ALBO.
11:27:53AM THEY LIVE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THIS PETITION.
11:27:58AM THEY LIVE HERE, AND I SHOWED YOU A PHOTOGRAPH BEFORE OF THE
11:28:04AM PROXIMITY, AND THIS PROJECT PLANS TO USE THIS CONNECTION
11:28:08AM HERE.
11:28:09AM THIS IS THE TABBY'S PROPERTY HERE.
11:28:14AM AND THIS IS WHERE THEY ARE PROPOSING TO PUT A GARAGE AND
11:28:17AM ANOTHER UNIT.
11:28:19AM IT'S A NONCONFORMING LOT, ACCORDING TO THE RECORDS WHEN THEY
11:28:24AM BOUGHT IT, THEY KNEW IT WAS NONCONFORMING AND THEY ARE
11:28:27AM PLANNING TO CONNECT THESE TWO LOTS WITH A TEN-FOOT-WIDE
11:28:30AM WALKWAY.
11:28:31AM THAT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE CODE WHEN IT CALLS FOR
11:28:37AM HAVING NOT DISRUPTING THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
11:28:42AM IT IS A VERY UNUSUAL DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
11:28:44AM THEY HAVE USED THIS KNOWINGLY.
11:28:48AM THEY BOUGHT THIS KNOWING THAT IT COULDN'T BE USED THAT WAY.
11:28:51AM SO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS THEY HAVE CONCENTRATED THE
11:28:54AM DEVELOPMENT DOWN HERE AND SHIFTED THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS
11:28:58AM UP TO HERE.
11:29:00AM AND THAT SIMPLY IS NOT WHAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING.
11:29:03AM IF THEY WANT TO REDESIGN THE PROJECT, WE'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE
11:29:07AM OF THEM DEVELOPING DOWN HERE.
11:29:09AM NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THEM ADDING A PARKING GARAGE HERE AND AN
11:29:14AM ADDITIONAL UNIT.
11:29:15AM IT SIMPLY DOESN'T FOLLOW THE INTENT OF EITHER THE TAMPA
11:29:19AM HEIGHTS AREA OR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
11:29:22AM I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF WEIGHED IN
11:29:26AM ON IT AND ALSO THE CITY STAFF.
11:29:28AM HOWEVER, THIS KIND OF REMINDS ME OF THE ISSUE REGARDING A
11:29:33AM CHICKEN AND THE PIG, WHERE THE CHICKEN INVITES THE PIG TO
11:29:36AM HAVE HAM AND EGGS.
11:29:40AM SO FOR THE PIG, HIS ANSWER IS, THAT'S A LIFE COMMITMENT ON
11:29:43AM ME IF YOU WANT ME TO HAVE HAM, BUT FOR THE CHICKEN, IT'S
11:29:46AM ONLY AN EGG.
11:29:48AM FOR THE TYBEES, YOU'RE ASKING THEM TO BE THE PIG AND
11:29:52AM SACRIFICE THEMSELVES TO AN ONGOING CONCENTRATION OF PARKING
11:29:57AM DIRECTLY BEHIND THEIR HOME AND THEY WOULD RESPECTFULLY
11:30:02AM REQUEST THAT THEY GO BACK, REDESIGN THIS AND TAKE THAT
11:30:05AM COMPONENT AND REDESIGN IT SO THAT IT IS MORE COMPATIBLE.
11:30:08AM WE'RE NOT TRYING TO KILL THE PROJECT.
11:30:10AM WE PREFER THAT IT BE REDESIGNED IN A MANNER THAT'S MORE
11:30:13AM COMPATIBLE WITH THE SINGLE-FAMILY USES THAT'S DIRECTLY
11:30:17AM ADJACENT TO.
11:30:18AM I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
11:30:21AM STEPHANY ALBO IS HERE AS WELL.
11:30:23AM I HAVE A DOCUMENT WHICH SHE UPLOADED INTO THE SYSTEM
11:30:27AM YESTERDAY.
11:30:28AM IT'S IN YOUR QUASI-BOX.
11:30:29AM WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT RECEIVED AND FILED.
11:30:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I BELIEVE WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND
11:30:39AM FILE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:30:41AM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:30:42AM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
11:30:43AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:30:45AM MOTION PASSES.
11:30:46AM IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE CHAMBERS THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO
11:30:52AM THIS?
11:30:52AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: EXCUSE ME.
11:30:53AM I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:30:54AM MR. MICHELINI, WHAT WAS JUST HANDED TO ME IS WHAT YOU'RE
11:30:59AM REQUESTING BE MADE PART OF THE RECORD?
11:31:01AM >>STEVE MICHELINI: YES.
11:31:02AM THAT GIVES YOU THE DEED TRANSACTIONS BACK AND FORTH WHEN
11:31:06AM THEY TRANSFERRED THE PROPERTIES.
11:31:08AM IT ALSO GIVES YOU THE TRANSACTIONS AND THEIR OBJECTIONS TO
11:31:12AM THIS BEING CONSIDERED.
11:31:17AM AS I SAID, WE ARE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING IT BE REDRAWN,
11:31:21AM REDONE.
11:31:21AM AND THIS AREA BE REDESIGNATED IN SOME MANNER SO THAT IT'S
11:31:25AM NOT SO INCOMPATIBLE OF THEIR HOME WHICH IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT
11:31:29AM TO IT.
11:31:29AM WOULD YOU LIKE THE PHOTOGRAPH AS WELL?
11:31:33AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DO YOU WISH TO PUT IT INTO THE RECORD?
11:31:35AM THIS IS WHAT YOU HAD ON THE OVERHEAD.
11:31:45AM OKAY.
11:31:45AM THANK YOU.
11:31:46AM >>STEVE MICHELINI: THANK YOU.
11:31:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DO WE HAVE ANYONE ONLINE?
11:31:57AM THANK YOU.
11:31:58AM REBUTTAL?
11:32:02AM >> JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
11:32:05AM WITH RESPECT TO THE ISSUE, THE CHARACTERIZATION OF THE
11:32:08AM SUBJECT PROPERTY BEING NONCONFORMING LOT, THAT'S TRUE.
11:32:11AM AND THAT'S WHY WE WENT THROUGH THE PD PROCESS.
11:32:13AM THE CONFIGURATION, AS I MENTIONED AT OUR LAST HEARING, WAS
11:32:16AM CREATED IN 2007.
11:32:18AM I THINK IT WAS TWO OR THREE PREDECESSORS BEFORE OUR CLIENT
11:32:22AM THAT CREATED THAT LOT.
11:32:25AM WITH RESPECT TO THE PROJECT, IT'S VERY COMPATIBLE.
11:32:29AM MR. TYBEE APPARENTLY OWNS A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME AND TWO OF
11:32:33AM THE FOUR UNITS ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ARE SINGLE-FAMILY
11:32:36AM HOMES THEMSELVES.
11:32:38AM SO I THINK -- WHAT I DID LAST TIME, TOO, I DID A COMPLETE
11:32:44AM TITLE SEARCH WITH RESPECT TO THE HISTORY OF THESE LOTS AND
11:32:46AM HOW THEY WERE ASSEMBLED AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
11:32:48AM LIKE I SAID, THE ISSUE ABOUT KNOWINGLY, SURE, THE CLIENT
11:32:54AM KNOWINGLY BOUGHT A LEGAL NONCONFORMING, NOT ILLEGAL LOT.
11:32:59AM BEEN NO CITATION OF RECORD OF CITY CODE ENFORCEMENT.
11:33:03AM WITH THAT SAID, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL TRY AND
11:33:05AM ANSWER THEM.
11:33:06AM OTHERWISE, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT COUNCIL APPROVE THE
11:33:09AM PETITION.
11:33:09AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
11:33:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS?
11:33:12AM MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:33:18AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:33:20AM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
11:33:21AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:33:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO.
11:33:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT'S CORRECT.
11:33:26AM SORRY.
11:33:27AM I AM SORRY.
11:33:27AM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:33:28AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: REZ-22-125, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
11:33:35AM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING THE
11:33:38AM PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 210 EAST COLUMBUS DRIVE
11:33:40AM AND 2702 AND 2706 NORTH MORGAN STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
11:33:45AM FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM
11:33:47AM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION CI, COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE, AND
11:33:50AM RS-50, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY, TO PD, PLANNED
11:33:52AM DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED AND SEMI
11:33:56AM DETACHED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:33:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:33:59AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:34:01AM PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
11:34:08AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MANISCALCO, HURTAK, AND
11:34:10AM CITRO VOTING NO.
11:34:14AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:34:14AM TAKE CARE.
11:34:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
11:34:16AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 58, FILE NUMBER REZ-22-87.
11:34:23AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:34:24AM COUNCILMAN CITRO AND COUNCIL, LACHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT
11:34:28AM COORDINATION.
11:34:29AM THIS ITEM IS ON THE AGENDA TODAY AS A SECOND READING, BUT
11:34:33AM CHANGES HAVE BEEN REQUESTED TO THE SITE PLAN.
11:34:36AM AND I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLAIN THOSE CHANGES.
11:34:38AM SO THIS ITEM IS LISTED, THIS IS REZ 22-87, FOR THE PROPERTY
11:34:44AM AT 1200 NORTH WESTSHORE BOULEVARD.
11:34:47AM AND THE REQUEST WAS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM OP-1 AND
11:34:51AM MAP-1 TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY,
11:34:56AM RETAIL SALES AND RESTAURANT USES ON-SITE.
11:34:58AM SO THE APPLICANT SINCE THE FIRST READING, THERE WERE
11:35:01AM MODIFICATIONS REQUIRED TO THE SITE PLAN TO BE MADE BETWEEN
11:35:04AM FIRST AND SECOND READING, BUT AT THE FIRST READING, THE
11:35:07AM APPLICANT REACHED OUT, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, AND
11:35:10AM STATED THEY WANTED TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL NOTE TO THE SITE
11:35:12AM PLAN.
11:35:13AM SO THAT WAY, THAT WOULD MAKE -- THIS WAS A CHANGE THAT COULD
11:35:16AM NOT BE ADDED, AND KEEP THIS AS A SECOND READING, SO THAT
11:35:20AM WOULD MAKE THIS OUR FIRST READING.
11:35:22AM AND THEN I'D ASK AS PART OF THE MOTION COUNCIL INCLUDE THE
11:35:27AM AMENDED REVISION SHEET, WHICH I'M GOING TO SUBMIT INTO THE
11:35:29AM RECORD.
11:35:30AM BUT I WANTED TO READ THE ADDITIONAL NOTE INTO THE RECORD.
11:35:34AM JUST SO WE HAVE IT, AND I ALSO WILL PASS OUT THE REVISION
11:35:37AM SHEET FOR THE RECORD.
11:35:38AM SO THE NOTE THAT WAS -- THAT IS REQUESTED TO BE ADDED IS IN
11:35:42AM THE EVENT THAT THE PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE DOES
11:35:46AM NOT PROCEED, THE EXISTING HOTEL USE MAY REMAIN AND THE
11:35:50AM PROPERTY MAY BE DEVELOPED IN ACCORDANCE WITH OP-1 AND M-AP-1
11:35:55AM ZONING DISTRICT STANDARDS AS APPLICABLE IN CHAPTER 27, THE
11:36:00AM CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES.
11:36:01AM SO THIS NOTE WOULD BE ADDED TO THE SITE PLAN.
11:36:04AM THIS ALLOWS THAT CURRENT USE ON THE SITE, WHICH IS A HOTEL,
11:36:07AM TO REMAIN ON-SITE, AND ALSO ALLOWS FOR THE PD, IF IT IS
11:36:13AM APPROVED, TO BE DEVELOPED.
11:36:14AM SO YOU WOULD HAVE ONE OR THE OTHER ON THE SITE.
11:36:16AM YOU'D HAVE EITHER THE HOTEL OR EITHER YOU WOULD HAVE THE PD,
11:36:19AM BUT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE BOTH.
11:36:20AM IN ORDER TO ADD THAT TO THE SITE PLAN, AS I MENTIONED
11:36:23AM EARLIER, THIS WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO FIRST READING, AND
11:36:26AM THEN I SPOKE IN COORDINATION WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
11:36:29AM I BELIEVE SECOND READING WOULD BE APRIL 6th.
11:36:32AM SO IF YOU CAN INCLUDE IN THE MOTION, COUNCIL, THE REVISION
11:36:36AM SHEET, THE AMENDED REVISION SHEET.
11:36:38AM AND THIS WILL BE A READING ON FIRST READING, THE MOTION.
11:36:41AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, I'M SORRY.
11:36:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY.
11:36:44AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WAS THIS REVIEWED BY LEGAL DEPARTMENT?
11:36:46AM >>LaCHONE DOCK: YES.
11:36:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:36:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
11:36:54AM HOW COMMON IS THAT?
11:36:55AM HOW COMMON IS THAT FOR A PROPERTY TO SAY, HEY, WE CAN KEEP
11:37:01AM DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING OR CHOOSE THE PD?
11:37:04AM >>LaCHONE DOCK: I MEAN, IT IS PRETTY COMMON THAT THAT
11:37:08AM HAPPENS.
11:37:08AM IT'S TYPICALLY ADDRESSED PRIOR.
11:37:11AM IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE INTENT OF THE APPLICANT.
11:37:13AM SOMETIMES THEY KNOW WHEN THEY REQUEST A PD WHEN THEY INTEND
11:37:16AM TO DEVELOP THAT PD.
11:37:17AM AND MAYBE IT'S WITHIN A YEAR, MAYBE IT'S WITHIN A TIME FRAME
11:37:21AM LONGER THAN THAT.
11:37:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK: NORMALLY PDs HAVE A LENGTH OF TIME,
11:37:28AM CORRECT, WHERE THEY HAVE TO BE?
11:37:31AM >>LaCHONE DOCK: YES, FOR A PD APPROVED, THERE IS A FIVE-YEAR
11:37:34AM TIME FRAME.
11:37:36AM THE PD THAT IS APPROVED THOSE USES ARE THE USES THAT ARE
11:37:40AM PERMITTED ON THAT SITE BEYOND THAT TIME.
11:37:42AM BUT YOU HAVE WITHIN THAT FIVE YEARS TO DEVELOP AT WHAT IS
11:37:46AM GRANTED ON THE ACTUAL PD.
11:37:50AM WITH THOSE CODE REQUIREMENTS, AFTER THAT TIME, YOU SUBMIT TO
11:37:53AM OUR OFFICE FOR A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE REVIEW AND YOU MEET THE
11:37:56AM CODE AT THE TIME.
11:37:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK: GREAT, THANK YOU.
11:37:58AM >>LaCHONE DOCK: THAT IS THE PERMITTED USE, WHATEVER IS
11:38:00AM ADOPTED.
11:38:09AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: GOOD MORNING, ABBYE FEELEY.
11:38:11AM SORRY FOR ANY CONFUSION.
11:38:12AM WE HAD PRIOR DISCUSSIONS ON THIS, AND GIVEN THAT THE
11:38:15AM APPLICANT IS WANTING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT EXISTING HOTEL USE
11:38:20AM AS AN ALLOWABLE USE, THAT USE WAS NOT REQUESTED AS PART OF
11:38:24AM THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION, THEREFORE, WE NEED TO REDO PUBLIC
11:38:29AM NOTICE ON THIS APPLICATION.
11:38:30AM WE HAD ALL AGREED TO THAT.
11:38:32AM I THINK WHAT WAS AGREED TO WAS THAT WE WOULD ASK TODAY THAT
11:38:36AM COUNCIL PLACE THAT ON FOR APRIL 6.
11:38:38AM TODAY IS MARCH 2nd WHICH ALLOWS FOR THE 30 DAYS OF PUBLIC
11:38:42AM NOTICE.
11:38:43AM AND IF IT CAN'T MOVE FORWARD, CAN'T PUT IT BACK TO FIRST
11:38:47AM READING TODAY GIVEN IT IS ADDING A USE THAT WAS NOT
11:38:50AM PREVIOUSLY NOTICED.
11:38:51AM IF WE COULD PUT IT TO APRIL 6th, PUT IT BACK ON FIRST
11:38:56AM READING FOR APRIL 6th AND THE APPLICANT AND KAMI CORBETT
11:39:00AM IS HERE, WILL RENOTICE FOR THAT.
11:39:02AM AND THE NOTATION WILL STILL BE WHAT IS PUT ON THERE TO
11:39:09AM ADDRESS THE EXISTING USE OF THE PROPERTY.
11:39:11AM ONE THING I THINK COUNCIL MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND IS THAT WHEN
11:39:14AM A PD GOES INTO EFFECT, IT MAKES THE EXISTING USE OF THE
11:39:18AM PROPERTY NONCONFORMING.
11:39:19AM AND THEN THAT PROPERTY CANNOT BE EXPANDED IN ANY WAY.
11:39:23AM IT CANNOT BE, IF IT'S DESTROYED, IT CAN ONLY BE BUILT BACK
11:39:27AM TO THE PD.
11:39:28AM SO WE HAVE THIS HAPPEN ON A HOUSE THAT GOT PD TO TOWNHOMES
11:39:33AM AND THEN TOWNHOMES NEVER HAPPENED.
11:39:34AM THEY WANTED TO DO AN ADDITION, THEY COULDN'T.
11:39:36AM AND THEY HAD TO PUT THEIRSELVES BACK TO RM 16.
11:39:40AM SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS PROTECT THAT EXISTING USE
11:39:44AM SO WE COULD JUST HANDLE IT BY PUTTING IT TO APRIL 6 FOR A
11:39:48AM NEW FIRST READING, I THINK WE CAN GET THIS BACK ON TRACK TO
11:39:53AM RETAIN THAT USE OF THE EXISTING HOTEL.
11:39:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. CORBETT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME TO THE
11:40:01AM PODIUM, PLEASE?
11:40:02AM >> CAMI CORBETT WITH THE LAW FIRM OF HILL WARD & HENDERSON
11:40:05AM REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
11:40:06AM I AGREE WITH WHAT ABBYE SAID.
11:40:08AM WE HAVE TO RENOTICE.
11:40:09AM WE CONCUR.
11:40:11AM WE ARE TRYING TO DO THAT TO PRESERVE TO MAKE SURE THE
11:40:12AM EXISTING USER, OUR CLIENT NOT CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY WOULD
11:40:15AM STILL HAVE THEIR OP-1 AND M-AP-1 ZONING.
11:40:18AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: A CLARIFICATION, WHEN YOU SAY RENOTICE,
11:40:21AM DOES THAT INCLUDE THE SUPPLEMENTAL NOTICE, 30 DAYS?
11:40:24AM >> YES.
11:40:25AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
11:40:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE NEED A MOTION TO TAKE IT BACK TO
11:40:29AM FIRST READING?
11:40:31AM A MOTION TO RETURN ITEM 58, REZ-22-87 BACK TO FIRST READING
11:40:36AM AS EXPLAINED ALREADY ON THE RECORD.
11:40:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: APRIL 6th.
11:40:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
11:40:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WITH THE REVISION?
11:40:41AM WITH THE REVISION SHEET.
11:40:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WITH THE REVISION SHEET, YES.
11:40:47AM 10:30 A.M. IS PERFECT.
11:40:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:40:50AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:40:52AM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
11:40:54AM IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
11:40:56AM MOTION CARRIES.
11:40:59AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MADAM CLERK, JUST A CLARIFICATION THEN.
11:41:01AM THIS IS GOING TO BE COMING BACK ON FIRST READING ON APRIL
11:41:05AM 6th AT 10:30 A.M.
11:41:08AM THANK YOU.
11:41:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
11:41:09AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 59, FILE REZ-22-109.
11:41:16AM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
11:41:18AM THIS IS BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT
11:41:20AM THE LOCATION 2713 WEST COLUMBUS DRIVE.
11:41:24AM PROPOSED REZONING FROM PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, TO RS-50,
11:41:28AM RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY.
11:41:31AM THIS BEING EUCLIDEAN, NO SITE PLAN WAS NEEDED.
11:41:33AM I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
11:41:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
11:41:37AM PETITIONER?
11:41:39AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 59, FILE REZ-22-109.
11:41:54AM >> HELLO.
11:41:56AM [INAUDIBLE]
11:41:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, MA'AM.
11:42:00AM >> I'M HERE TODAY FOR SECOND HEARING, ASKING FOR PERMISSION
11:42:05AM TO REZONE MY LOT FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL.
11:42:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER?
11:42:12AM IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE -- YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
11:42:18AM >> CARIDAD ALJURE.
11:42:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WISHING TO SPEAK TO THE
11:42:28AM AGENDA ITEM?
11:42:29AM MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:42:30AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:42:32AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:42:34AM THANK YOU.
11:42:35AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:42:36AM I'M SORRY.
11:42:40AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:42:42AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE LOOK ALIKE.
11:42:44AM NO, I'M NOT.
11:42:47AM FILE REZ-22-109.
11:42:49AM THIS IS THE FIRST ONE IN A LONG TIME HAD -- NOW BACK TO
11:42:55AM WHERE IT CAME FROM.
11:42:56AM ANYWAY, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
11:42:58AM ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL
11:43:00AM VICINITY OF 2713 WEST COLUMBUS DRIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
11:43:04AM FLORIDA, AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM
11:43:06AM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, TO
11:43:08AM RS-50, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
11:43:11AM DATE.
11:43:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:43:14AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:43:15AM PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
11:43:24AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:43:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 60, FILE REZ-21-123.
11:43:34AM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
11:43:35AM THIS IS BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT
11:43:37AM THE LOCATION 1200 WEST CASS STREET.
11:43:42AM PROPOSED REZONING FROM IG, INDUSTRIAL GENERAL, TO CI,
11:43:45AM COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE, TO CI, COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE.
11:43:48AM THIS BEING EUCLIDEAN, NO SITE PLAN WAS REQUIRED.
11:43:51AM I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
11:43:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HUSAIN?
11:43:55AM PETITIONER?
11:43:58AM >> ALEX SCHALER, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
11:44:01AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
11:44:02AM WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL.
11:44:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I NEED YOU TO BE SWORN IN, PLEASE.
11:44:07AM >>THE CLERK: DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT
11:44:09AM YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE
11:44:11AM TRUTH?
11:44:11AM >> I DO.
11:44:11AM >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU.
11:44:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER?
11:44:15AM ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER?
11:44:19AM IS THERE ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS?
11:44:22AM THERE'S NO ONE ONLINE.
11:44:32AM WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:44:34AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:44:35AM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
11:44:37AM THANK YOU.
11:44:37AM I BELIEVE NOW WE HAVE COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:44:42AM >>BILL CARLSON: LIKE TO MOVE FILE NUMBER REZ-22-123,
11:44:46AM ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION,
11:44:49AM AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
11:44:51AM 1200 WEST CASS STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE
11:44:54AM PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
11:44:57AM CLASSIFICATION, IG, INDUSTRIAL GENERAL AND CI, COMMERCIAL
11:45:00AM INTENSIVE TO CI, COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE, PROVIDING AN
11:45:03AM EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:45:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:45:07AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:45:08AM PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
11:45:12AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:45:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 61, FILE REZ-22-131.
11:45:27AM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
11:45:30AM THIS IS BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
11:45:32AM AT THE LOCATION 1105 EAST LOUISIANA AVENUE.
11:45:36AM PROPOSED REZONING FROM SH-RS, SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, RESIDENTIAL,
11:45:41AM SINGLE-FAMILY, TO SH-PD, SEMINOLE HEIGHTS PLANNED
11:45:45AM DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED.
11:45:47AM SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED IN TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
11:45:51AM I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
11:45:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: QUESTIONS FOR MR. HUSAIN?
11:45:55AM SEEING NONE, PETITIONER?
11:45:57AM YOU'RE MUTED AND YOU NEED TO BE SWORN IN, PLEASE.
11:46:05AM >>THE CLERK: DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT
11:46:07AM YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE THROUGH TO AND NOTHING BUT THE
11:46:09AM TRUTH?
11:46:10AM >> I DO.
11:46:11AM >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU.
11:46:11AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
11:46:13AM DEVASTATE WRIGHT, PRESIDENT OF TSP COMPANIES, TAMPA, 33688.
11:46:20AM I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL,
11:46:23AM PLEASE.
11:46:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER?
11:46:26AM SEEING NONE, IS THERE ANYONE IN CHAMBERS THAT WISHES TO
11:46:31AM SPEAK TO THIS?
11:46:32AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:46:33AM MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:46:36AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:46:38AM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
11:46:39AM ANY OPPOSED.
11:46:42AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:46:43AM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:46:45AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR, MR. CHAIR, I MOVE ITEM 61, WHICH IS
11:46:48AM AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
11:46:49AM ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL
11:46:51AM VICINITY OF 1105 EAST LOUISIANA AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
11:46:55AM FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM
11:46:58AM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION SH-RS, SEMINOLE HEIGHTS,
11:47:02AM RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY, TO SH-PD, SEMINOLE HEIGHTS,
11:47:04AM PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED,
11:47:06AM PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:47:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:47:10AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:47:11AM PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
11:47:18AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:47:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 62, FILE NUMBER
11:47:25AM REZ-23-02.
11:47:29AM >>ZAIN HUSAIN: ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
11:47:30AM THIS IS BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT
11:47:33AM THE LOCATION 2132 WEST SAINT CONRAD STREET.
11:47:38AM PROPOSED REZONING FROM RS-50, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY, TO
11:47:42AM PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY
11:47:45AM ATTACHED.
11:47:46AM SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
11:47:48AM I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
11:47:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HUSAIN?
11:47:53AM SEEING NONE, PETITIONER?
11:47:55AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 62, FILE REZ-23-02.
11:48:17AM >> SECOND.
11:48:19AM >> I'M THE NEXT ITEM, SIR.
11:48:21AM 63.
11:48:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN
11:48:24AM GUDES.
11:48:24AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:48:26AM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
11:48:27AM THANK YOU.
11:48:29AM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:48:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:48:31AM I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
11:48:33AM ADOPTION.
11:48:33AM AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
11:48:35AM 2132 WEST SAINT CONRAD STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA
11:48:39AM AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING
11:48:42AM DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS-50, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY,
11:48:44AM TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY
11:48:47AM ATTACHED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:48:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
11:48:53AM MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:48:54AM PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
11:49:01AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:49:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO OPEN THE 10:30 PUBLIC HEARING.
11:49:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY --
11:49:11AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WAS JUST WONDERING, MS. WELLS, DOES MR.
11:49:14AM WIGGINTON HAVE TO BE HERE?
11:49:17AM NO, NOT FOR NUMBER 63.
11:49:20AM OKAY.
11:49:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO,
11:49:23AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:49:24AM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
11:49:25AM IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
11:49:27AM MOTION CARRIES.
11:49:27AM FILE NUMBER VAC 23-05, MR. SAMONS.
11:49:35AM >>ROSS SAMONS: ROSS SAMONS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION,
11:49:38AM PRESENTING FILE VAC 23-05.
11:49:40AM I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE CLERK TO SHARE MY SCREEN, PLEASE.
11:49:43AM ROSS SAMONS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION, PRESENTING FILE VAC
11:50:00AM 23-05.
11:50:01AM THE APPLICANT IS TODD HUTCHINS.
11:50:03AM PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 3006 NORTH ROME AVENUE.
11:50:07AM THIS IS A PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST TO VACATE THE NORTH AND
11:50:10AM SOUTH PORTION OF THE ALLEYWAY LYING NORTH OF COLUMBUS DRIVE,
11:50:13AM SOUTH OF KATHLEEN STREET, EAST OF FREMONT STREET AND WEST OF
11:50:16AM ROME AVENUE.
11:50:17AM THIS APPLICATION WAS FILED WITH THE CITY APPROXIMATELY
11:50:20AM DECEMBER 20th, 2022.
11:50:24AM PROPERTY ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ALLEYWAY THAT IS REQUESTED
11:50:26AM TO BE VACATED.
11:50:27AM THE APPLICANT'S REASON FOR THE APPLICATION IS FOR PUBLIC
11:50:31AM SAFETY BECAUSE OF RECURRING GUN VIOLENCE.
11:50:35AM ALLEY WAS CREATED BY SUBDIVISION PLAT.
11:50:38AM APPROXIMATELY 1800 SQUARE FEET.
11:50:40AM THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPOSED VACATING.
11:50:44AM THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY IN RED AND THE PROPOSED VACATING OF
11:50:48AM THE ALLEY IN YELLOW.
11:50:51AM AGAIN, THE ALLEYWAY SHOWN IN THE BOWMAN HEIGHTS SUBDIVISION
11:50:59AM PLAT IN RED.
11:51:04AM THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY AT 3006 NORTH ROME AVENUE.
11:51:08AM THIS IS THE ALLEYWAY LOOKING SOUTHEAST FROM WEST KATHLEEN
11:51:14AM STREET.
11:51:15AM THIS IS THE ALLEY LOOKING NORTHWEST FROM NORTH ROME AVENUE.
11:51:28AM AND THIS IS A PREVIOUS IMAGE THAT I WANTED TO INCLUDE.
11:51:32AM THIS IS THE ALLEY LOOKING NORTHWEST FROM NORTH ROME.
11:51:35AM THIS IS BEFORE ANY FENCE INSTALLATION.
11:51:38AM AND APPROXIMATELY FROM THE TREE THAT YOU SEE THE PALM TREE,
11:51:44AM THERE IS A STAKE THERE.
11:51:45AM THAT'S APPROXIMATE PROPERTY CORNER TO THAT NORTH FENCE LINE
11:51:51AM THERE.
11:51:51AM STAFF DOES HAVE OBJECTIONS TO THIS VACATING REQUEST BASED ON
11:51:59AM RESPONSES RECEIVED FROM TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY.
11:52:01AM EASEMENT RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED BY WASTEWATER, SPECTRUM,
11:52:03AM AND TECO.
11:52:04AM NATURAL RESOURCES MUST COMPLY WITH CHAPTER 27 IN REGARD TO
11:52:09AM TREE PRESERVATION AND SITE DESIGN, ANY IMPROVEMENTS PLACED
11:52:12AM ADJACENT TO TREES IN A VACATED AREA.
11:52:14AM THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
11:52:15AM I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
11:52:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SAMONS?
11:52:19AM NO QUESTIONS.
11:52:22AM MR. BHIDE.
11:52:24AM >>VIK BHIDE: GOOD MORNING, CHAIR, GOOD MORNING COUNCIL.
11:52:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND TO BE SWORN IN.
11:52:30AM >>THE CLERK: DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT
11:52:32AM YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE
11:52:34AM TRUTH?
11:52:35AM >>VIK BHIDE: I DO.
11:52:36AM >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU.
11:52:37AM >>VIK BHIDE: GOOD MORNING, CHAIR, GOOD MORNING COUNCIL, VIK
11:52:39AM BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY.
11:52:42AM SO OUR OBJECTION IS ONLY TECHNICAL IN THIS CASE, LOOKING AT
11:52:48AM THE ALLEY.
11:52:49AM AND IT'S ONLY TECHNICAL BECAUSE WE DO HAVE AN OVERLAY IN
11:52:52AM WEST TAMPA THAT STATES THAT ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY SHOULD BE
11:52:57AM FROM THE ALLEY.
11:52:58AM OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THIS PARTICULAR CASE IS THAT THE
11:53:02AM PROPERTY WILL STILL BE ACCESSED FROM THE ALLEY, THE PROPERTY
11:53:06AM TO THE SOUTHWEST, 4708.
11:53:11AM AND THE ONLY REASON THE VACATING IS REQUESTED IS FOR PUBLIC
11:53:17AM SAFETY CONCERNS, WHICH WE CONCUR WITH.
11:53:20AM JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE AN OVERLAY.
11:53:23AM BUT OTHERWISE, THERE REALLY ISN'T AN OBJECTION.
11:53:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:53:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, I HAVE A QUESTION.
11:53:32AM MR. SAMONS, CAN YOU PUT YOUR SCREEN BACK -- OR CAN WHOEVER
11:53:38AM PUT THE SCREEN BACK UP?
11:53:40AM THANK YOU.
11:53:40AM SO I SEE THERE'S PROPERTY ON WEST COLUMBUS.
11:53:45AM WHO OWNS THAT?
11:53:46AM IS THAT CITY RIGHT-OF-WAY?
11:53:49AM >>ROSS SAMONS: IT IS ON THE SOUTH.
11:53:50AM SO YOU IF YOU SEE JUST BELOW THE VACATING REQUEST IN YELLOW,
11:53:54AM THAT IS AN EXISTING 10-FOOT ALLEYWAY EAST AND WEST.
11:53:57AM I CAN SHOW THAT BY PLAT ALSO HERE.
11:54:00AM IF YOU SEE THE PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST IN RED, THERE'S
11:54:05AM STILL AN EXISTING PLATTED ALLEYWAY, 10 FEET RUNNING EAST AND
11:54:09AM WEST FROM FREMONT TO ROME.
11:54:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I APPRECIATE THAT.
11:54:12AM BUT MY QUESTION WAS ACTUALLY, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THAT
11:54:15AM IMAGE, THERE ARE SOME SITES THAT ARE SOUTH OF THAT.
11:54:20AM >>ROSS SAMONS: THAT'S CITY OF TAMPA.
11:54:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS CITY OF TAMPA PROPERTY?
11:54:26AM >>ROSS SAMONS: YES.
11:54:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S BEING USED AS A RIGHT-OF-WAY?
11:54:29AM IT WON'T EVER BE BUILDABLE?
11:54:34AM >>ROSS SAMONS: I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
11:54:37AM TECHNICALLY, I'M NOT SURE.
11:54:38AM I'M ASSUMING IT COULD BE, YES.
11:54:40AM AND IT COULD BE USED FOR MULTIPLE PURPOSES AS FAR AS IF
11:54:44AM TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY NEEDED IT FOR ROAD WIDENING AND SUCH
11:54:48AM OR THEY DECIDED TO DEVELOP IT SOME OTHER WAY, YES.
11:54:52AM I WOULD SAY THAT IS FEASIBLE.
11:54:56AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: ABBYE FEELEY.
11:54:57AM I HAVEN'T BEEN SWORN IN.
11:54:58AM SORRY.
11:55:00AM I DIDN'T EXPECT TO TESTIFY.
11:55:02AM [OATH ADMINISTERED]
11:55:07AM I DO.
11:55:07AM I'VE BEEN HELPING THE TEAM ON THIS VACATING DUE TO THE
11:55:13AM NATURE OF THE SAFETY CONCERNS.
11:55:14AM THAT LAND THAT YOU SEE ALONG COLUMBUS, THAT'S PLATTED LAND.
11:55:18AM THAT'S NOT RIGHT-OF-WAY.
11:55:19AM THAT ALLEY IS THERE, BUT THOSE ARE ACTUAL PARCELS OF LAND
11:55:23AM THAT THE CITY OWNS ALONG COLUMBUS.
11:55:26AM SO AT RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE NOT ANTICIPATED FOR RIGHT-OF-WAY
11:55:31AM EXPANSION.
11:55:31AM THEY ARE NOT DEDICATED RIGHT-OF-WAY.
11:55:33AM THEY ARE PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT WE OWN.
11:55:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
11:55:36AM THANK YOU.
11:55:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
11:55:39AM MR. GUDES.
11:55:43AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
11:55:44AM MORE CLARITY AND I REALIZE THAT IS CITY RIGHT-OF-WAY AND I
11:55:47AM KNOW THAT FOR A FACT BECAUSE NOTHING HAS HAPPENED THERE THE
11:55:49AM LAST 500 YEARS, WHICH IS FINE.
11:55:52AM DON'T GET ME WRONG.
11:55:55AM BUT WHEN YOU LOOK FROM ROME HEADING WEST ON THAT SAME LINE,
11:55:59AM DOES THE CITY HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF PROPERTY RIGHT-OF-WAY
11:56:01AM ALL THE WAY TO HOWARD?
11:56:04AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: ALL THE WAY TO HOWARD, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT
11:56:07AM --
11:56:07AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AT THE END OF THAT, YOU HAVE WHERE BOATS
11:56:11AM TURN.
11:56:11AM THEN YOU HAVE TWO RESIDENTIAL HOUSES THAT I GUESS MAY BE
11:56:14AM COMMERCIAL BY NOW.
11:56:15AM THEN YOU HAVE A STRETCH OF BUILDINGS THAT HAVE NOT AS FAR AS
11:56:22AM THIS -- IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT I'M ASKING, IF YOU'RE GOING TO
11:56:25AM HAVE A PATHWAY TO SOMETHING, IT'S GOT TO BE CONSTANT, IN MY
11:56:30AM MIND ANYWAY.
11:56:31AM I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS CONSTANT OR NOT.
11:56:32AM NOT SAYING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
11:56:34AM I WANT THE RECORD TO BE CLEAR THAT ALTHOUGH THAT IS CITY
11:56:36AM RIGHT-OF-WAY OR PROPERTY OF THE CITY, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO
11:56:39AM PUT IT FOR EXPANSION OR WIDENING.
11:56:42AM DOES THE CITY HAVE THE SAME WIDTH ALL THE WAY TO HOWARD?
11:56:45AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: IT'S NOT FOR EXPANSION OR WIDENING.
11:56:48AM I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT.
11:56:49AM WE DO NOT HAVE IT ALL THE WAY TO HOWARD.
11:56:51AM WE OWN THE PROPERTY ALL THE WAY TO ALBANY.
11:56:54AM AT ALBANY WHERE YOU TALKED ABOUT WHERE THE BOWMAN HEIGHTS
11:56:58AM ENTRY IS AND WEST OF THE BOWMAN HEIGHTS ENTRY, IT BECOMES
11:57:02AM WEATHER TIGHT WINDOWS WHICH GOES ALL THE WAY TO HOWARD.
11:57:05AM AND THEN ANOTHER PARCEL I BELIEVE, GOING OFF MY KNOWLEDGE OF
11:57:08AM THE CITY PROPERTY THERE, THERE IS ANOTHER PARCEL IN BETWEEN
11:57:12AM WEATHER TIGHT AND HOWARD, WHICH IS GIVE ME FIVE OR SOMETHING
11:57:16AM LIKE THAT.
11:57:17AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LOUNGE, LIQUOR STORE.
11:57:19AM I UNDERSTAND THAT.
11:57:21AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: OUR ACQUISITION ON THAT PROPERTY, THAT
11:57:23AM PROPERTY IS THERE.
11:57:25AM IT IS HISTORIC -- CITY ZONED IT.
11:57:27AM WE HAVE NOT COMMITTED TO A USE FOR THAT PROPERTY, WHETHER IT
11:57:31AM WOULD BE FOR WIDENING, BUT IT DOES THEN BACK UP TO AN ALLEY.
11:57:35AM THAT ALLEY THAT RUNS EAST-WEST.
11:57:37AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IT CAN BE WIDENED, BUT ONLY FOR -- UNLESS
11:57:40AM YOU WANT TO BUY THE WHOLE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
11:57:43AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: IT COULD BE A LOT OF THINGS, BUT, YES.
11:57:45AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: EVEN THEN IT DOESN'T GO PAST HOWARD.
11:57:49AM ARMENIA YOU HAVE THE SAME THING TO MacDILL.
11:57:53AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: IT DOESN'T GO PAST ALBANY.
11:57:55AM CORRECT.
11:57:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:57:58AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.
11:58:00AM THESE ARE A LOT OF LOTS HERE.
11:58:02AM THESE ARE A LOT OF LOTS.
11:58:06AM AND THAT ALLEYWAY BACKS UP TO THAT BACK PARCEL WHICH YOU
11:58:12AM SAID -- CAN WE PUT THAT SCREEN UP, THOSE BACK PARCELS, WHERE
11:58:17AM THAT ALLEYWAY IS SUPPOSED TO BE?
11:58:20AM I THOUGHT IT WAS ALL GRASS.
11:58:21AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: IT'S UNIMPROVED.
11:58:23AM IT'S AN ALLEY BY PLAT, BUT IT IS UNIMPROVED ALLEY.
11:58:26AM WHICH IS THE SAME THING THAT RUNS NEXT TO THE SUBJECT
11:58:33AM PROPERTY HERE.
11:58:33AM THERE IS AN UNIMPROVED.
11:58:36AM IT'S NOT PAVED.
11:58:37AM SO IT DOES LOOK LIKE GRASS, AND YOU CAN'T SEE WHERE THE
11:58:40AM ALLEY STOPS AND THE PARCEL BEGINS, BUT IT IS UNIMPROVED,
11:58:44AM BOTH THE ALLEY IS UNIMPROVED AND THE CITY PROPERTY IS
11:58:47AM UNIMPROVED AT THAT LOCATION.
11:58:49AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: A LOT OF PROPERTY.
11:58:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:58:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT IS THAT ZONED?
11:58:54AM THAT PROPERTY?
11:58:55AM THAT WE OWN?
11:58:58AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I DON'T KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY NOGGIN,
11:59:03AM SORRY.
11:59:03AM I BELIEVE IT IS RS ALONG THERE.
11:59:06AM I COULD LOOK IT UP.
11:59:07AM I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT IS RELEVANT TO THE REQUEST TO THE
11:59:09AM VACATING AT THIS MOMENT, SO LET ME --
11:59:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUNCH OF LAND, YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND WHERE
11:59:15AM OUR MINDS GO.
11:59:16AM THANK YOU.
11:59:16AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: UNDERSTOOD.
11:59:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
11:59:21AM PETITIONER?
11:59:25AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
11:59:26AM IF I MAY APPROACH THE CITY ATTORNEY, THESE ARE ALREADY
11:59:30AM DOCUMENTS ON THE RECORD, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE HARD
11:59:33AM COPIES AVAILABLE TO THE COUNCIL.
11:59:35AM IT'S A LETTER FROM THE BOWMAN HEIGHTS ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT
11:59:39AM AND MEMBERS IN SUPPORT OF THIS, AS WELL AS THE SWORN
11:59:43AM STATEMENT PROVIDED BY THE NEIGHBORS.
11:59:45AM I'M SORRY.
11:59:47AM IT IS THE VOICE OF GOD HERE.
11:59:49AM IF POSSIBLE, IF THIS COULD BE PROJECTED FOR THE BENEFIT OF
11:59:57AM MEMBERS.
11:59:57AM HERE I THINK YOU CAN SEE THE LOTS THAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO
12:00:01PM EARLIER.
12:00:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME.
12:00:03PM >> YES, SIR.
12:00:04PM MY NAME IS TODD HUTCHINS.
12:00:05PM I RESIDE AND OWN 3006 NORTH ROME AVENUE IN THE GREAT CITY OF
12:00:09PM TAMPA.
12:00:11PM I'M PLEASED TO BE BEFORE THE CITY TODAY, AND THANK YOU FOR
12:00:15PM THIS OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS CONCRETE STEPS THAT WE CAN TAKE
12:00:18PM TO STOP GUN VIOLENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
12:00:21PM I'M A LIEUTENANT COMMANDER IN THE UNITED STATES NAVY, AND
12:00:25PM HAVE BEEN DEPLOYED IN HARM'S WAY THROUGHOUT THE WORLD,
12:00:28PM INCLUDING SEVEN MONTHS IN IRAQ IN DESIGNATED COMBAT ZONE.
12:00:33PM I NOTE MY MILITARY DEPLOYMENTS BECAUSE IN MY 17 YEARS IN
12:00:36PM ACTIVE SERVICE I HAVE NEVER COME AS CLOSE TO COMBAT AS I DID
12:00:39PM IN MY OWN HOUSE HERE IN TAMPA.
12:00:41PM MY DAUGHTERS AND MY WIFE.
12:00:46PM ON NOVEMBER 5, PERPETRATORS USED THE ABANDONED ALLEYWAY
12:00:50PM SHOWN HERE.
12:00:52PM IT'S OVERGROWN AND IT'S BEHIND THE HOUSES TO LAUNCH AN
12:00:56PM ATTACK ON THEIR RIVALS WHO WERE ATTENDING A PARTY IN THE
12:00:58PM PARKING LOT OF COLUMBUS COURT APARTMENTS ACROSS THE STREET
12:01:01PM TO THE SOUTH.
12:01:02PM THAT WOULD BE SHOWN IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT-HAND CORNER OF THIS.
12:01:06PM THEY CAREFULLY PLANNED THE ATTACK.
12:01:08PM THEY LEFT THEIR GETAWAY CAR ON KATHLEEN STREET AT THE TOP OF
12:01:12PM THE ALLEY HERE, AND THEN THEY SNUCK THROUGH THE DARK
12:01:16PM ALLEYWAY BEHIND OVERGROWN BUSHES DOWN HERE TO WHERE THEY HID
12:01:21PM BEHIND, WAITED, SCOPED OUT THEIR TARGETS, AND THEN OPENED
12:01:26PM FIRE ACROSS COLUMBUS AND ACROSS ROME INTO THE PARKING LOT
12:01:29PM WHERE THE PARTY WAS OCCURRING.
12:01:31PM WHAT THEY WEREN'T COUNTING ON WAS THAT SOME OF THE MEMBERS
12:01:41PM ATTENDING THE PARTY HAD AN AUTOMATIC WEAPON.
12:01:43PM AND THOSE THAT HAD BEEN TARGETED RAN ACROSS THE STREET
12:01:48PM FIRING OVER A HUNDRED ROUNDS IN LESS THAN FIVE SECONDS FROM
12:01:52PM MY BACKYARD DOWN THE ALLEYWAY AT THE PERPETRATORS WHO FIRED
12:01:57PM BACK BEFORE HOPPING IN THEIR CARS AND SPEEDING OFF DOWN
12:02:00PM KATHLEEN.
12:02:01PM THANKFULLY NO ONE WAS HURT OR KILLED BUT DAMAGE WAS DONE.
12:02:07PM THERE IS A BULLET HOLE IN MY GARAGE.
12:02:09PM MY NEIGHBOR'S TACOMA TRUCK HAS MULTIPLE GUNSHOT HOLES
12:02:14PM THROUGH IT.
12:02:14PM ANOTHER NEIGHBOR'S WHITE PVC FENCE LOOKS LIKE SWISS CHEESE
12:02:21PM BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SHREDDED BY BULLETS FROM THE MACHINE GUN
12:02:24PM BARRAGE.
12:02:25PM HOWEVER, THIS PHYSICAL DAMAGE DOESN'T COMPARE TO THE UNSEEN
12:02:28PM DAMAGE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
12:02:30PM OUR SENSE OF SECURITY IS DEVASTATED.
12:02:34PM AND THIS HURTS MORE THAN ANY PHYSICAL OR ECONOMIC COST.
12:02:39PM MY WIFE AND I, WE CHANGED WHERE OUR DAUGHTERS SLEEP IN THE
12:02:42PM HOUSE, MOVING THEM AWAY FROM THE WALLS ON THE SOUTH SIDE
12:02:45PM BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT THEM TO BE HIT BY A STRAY BULLET.
12:02:48PM ANOTHER NEIGHBOR ON KATHLEEN ACROSS FROM THE ALLEY HAS
12:02:52PM BOARDED UP THEIR FRONT-FACING WINDOWS AND INSTALLED A METAL
12:02:55PM DOOR.
12:02:56PM SADLY, ANOTHER LONGTIME RESIDENT NEIGHBOR MOVED AWAY AFTER
12:03:00PM THIS VIOLENCE.
12:03:01PM IN THE AFTERMATH OF THE ATTACK, THE BOWMAN HEIGHTS CIVIC
12:03:05PM ASSOCIATION CONVENED AN EMERGENCY MEETING WITH THE MAYOR,
12:03:09PM POLICE CHIEF, MAJOR RUTH KATE WHO IS THE AREA SUPERVISOR,
12:03:14PM HER OFFICERS AND REPRESENTATIVES FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT.
12:03:16PM THE NUMBER ONE RECOMMENDATION COMING OUT OF THIS MEETING TO
12:03:20PM PREVENT AN ATTACK LIKE THIS FROM EVER HAPPENING AGAIN IS TO
12:03:24PM PHYSICALLY BLOCK OFF THIS ALLEYWAY.
12:03:26PM THIS WOULD PREVENT IT FROM BEING USED AGAIN TO STAGE, HIDE,
12:03:32PM TARGET, AND FLEE TO GETAWAY CARS ON KATHLEEN.
12:03:36PM MY FOUR NEIGHBORS HAVE AGREED WITH ME AND THE COMMUNITY
12:03:39PM ASSOCIATION MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION FOR VACATION SO THAT
12:03:43PM MULTIPLE FENCES COULD BE CREATED ALONG THE PUBLIC
12:03:47PM RIGHT-OF-WAY NOW TO PREVENT THIS.
12:03:49PM YOU'LL SEE THAT WE INTEND TO ERECT FENCES HERE, HERE, AND
12:03:54PM HERE.
12:03:55PM THIS WAY NO ONE ELSE WOULD BE ABLE TO USE OR TARGET OR
12:03:59PM ATTACK PEOPLE AT COLUMBUS COURT PARKING LOT FROM THAT SITE.
12:04:03PM ALL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS WILL BE BORN BY MYSELF AND MY
12:04:08PM NEIGHBORS.
12:04:09PM NOT ONE DIME IS REQUESTED FROM CITY COFFERS FOR THIS PUBLIC
12:04:12PM SAFETY ACTION.
12:04:13PM I FOCUSED HEAVILY ON THE SAFETY OF MY FAMILY AND MY
12:04:19PM NEIGHBORS, BUT THIS IS REALLY AN ISSUE THAT IMPACTS EVERY
12:04:22PM SINGLE PERSON IN TAMPA.
12:04:24PM GUN VIOLENCE ALONE SHOULD NEVER BE PART OF OUR COMMUNITIES,
12:04:27PM BUT EVEN MORE SO, BECAUSE THIS IS RIVERWALK.
12:04:31PM AS YOU'RE WELL AWARE, RIVERWALK IS BEING EXPANDED HOPEFULLY
12:04:34PM OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS TO STRETCH UP TO COLUMBUS AT THIS
12:04:38PM VERY CORNER WHERE BULLETS FLEW OVER.
12:04:40PM THIS CORNER AT COLUMBUS AND ROME WHERE THE VIOLENCE TOOK
12:04:44PM PLACE IS GOING TO BE PART OF THE WORLD-FAMOUS RIVERWALK.
12:04:49PM PART OF TAMPA'S PRIDE AND JOY.
12:04:51PM SO I ASK YOU TO TAKE THIS ACTION TO PROTECT RIVERWALK, TO
12:04:56PM PROTECT THE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY, TO PROTECT THE TOURISTS,
12:05:00PM PROTECT VISITORS.
12:05:02PM EVERYONE THAT RELIES ON THE IMAGE OF TAMPA RIVERWALK BEING A
12:05:07PM SAFE, ENJOYABLE, WELCOMING PLACE, FOR THEIR BUSINESS, FOR
12:05:11PM ECONOMIC REDEVELOPMENT, FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, WE NEED
12:05:14PM TO TAKE ACTION.
12:05:15PM NOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL HAVE A
12:05:19PM RECORD OF PREVIOUSLY VOTING AGAINST THE VACATION OF PUBLIC
12:05:23PM RIGHT-OF-WAY ON THE GROUNDS THAT THESE ARE PUBLIC SPACES AND
12:05:26PM THAT THEY SHOULD BE MAINTAINED FOR THE PUBLIC EVEN IF THEY
12:05:29PM ARE DISUSED AND ABANDONED AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
12:05:33PM I UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT THAT PRINCIPLE PERSPECTIVE AND THAT
12:05:37PM MAY APPLY GENERALLY, BUT HERE, THE OVERWHELMING PUBLIC
12:05:41PM INTEREST IS SERVED BY VACATING THIS ALLEYWAY AND ALLOWING IT
12:05:44PM TO BE CLOSED OFF SO IT CAN'T BE USED FOR GUN VIOLENCE
12:05:48PM ANYMORE.
12:05:48PM THIS IS NOT A CASE OF A DEVELOPER WHO IS TRYING TO GET MORE
12:05:52PM LAND TO SELL LATER.
12:05:53PM THIS IS ABOUT A COMMUNITY THAT'S WORKING WITH THE POLICE TO
12:05:56PM COME UP WITH A SOLUTION FOR MASSIVE GUN VIOLENCE AT THIS
12:06:01PM LOCATION.
12:06:01PM THIS ALLEYWAY HAS BECOME A DANGEROUS PUBLIC NUISANCE AND I
12:06:11PM REQUEST YOUR HELP TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
12:06:13PM THIS IS A FIRST READING.
12:06:14PM I WILL NOTE THAT THIS EFFORT HAS BEEN SUPPORTED BY THE
12:06:19PM ENTIRETY OF THE BOWMAN HEIGHTS CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
12:06:22PM YOU'LL SEE THE LETTER THAT WAS PROVIDED TO MEMBERS.
12:06:27PM THE ALLEY IS DISUSED AT THIS POINT.
12:06:31PM ALL OF THE HOMES ALONG ROME, MYSELF AND MY NEIGHBORS HAVE
12:06:35PM DRIVEWAYS THAT ARE FACING TO ROME.
12:06:37PM MY NEIGHBOR, MARK SERGI, WHO WANTED TO APPEAR HERE TODAY,
12:06:43PM BUT HAD A BUSINESS EMERGENCY, HE ACCESSES HIS PROPERTY FROM
12:06:46PM KATHLEEN.
12:06:46PM YOU'LL SEE THAT HE SUBMITTED A SWORN STATEMENT, NOTING THAT
12:06:50PM HE FULLY SUPPORTS THE VACATING OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND OUR
12:06:55PM GROUP OF NEIGHBORS HAS COME TO AN AGREEMENT WHICH WE
12:06:59PM PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR
12:07:03PM REVIEW, WHICH SHOWS HOW WE WILL ALLOCATE AND PROVIDE
12:07:08PM EASEMENTS TO EACH OTHER TO MAINTAIN ACCESS.
12:07:11PM WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, HERE ARE ALL OF THEIR SIGNATURES.
12:07:17PM AND THIS SHOWS THE ULTIMATE ALLOCATION OF PROPERTY WITH
12:07:21PM EASEMENTS OVER IT.
12:07:23PM WITH THAT, I SUBMIT TO YOUR QUESTIONS.
12:07:25PM THANK YOU.
12:07:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:07:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE
12:07:31PM PRESENTATION.
12:07:33PM I'M NOT TESTIFYING TO ANYTHING, BUT OUR OFFICE RECEIVED
12:07:36PM E-MAILS LAST YEAR, AND I BELIEVE WE HAD VIDEOS OF THESE, AT
12:07:40PM LEAST ONE OF THESE SHOOT-OUTS TAKING PLACE.
12:07:42PM SO IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY E-MAILED IT
12:07:45PM TO EVERYBODY, BUT IT WAS LIKE AL CAPONE-STYLE SHOOT-OUT,
12:07:49PM WITH THE GETAWAY CAR IN THE BACK.
12:07:51PM THEY WERE IN THE ALLEY, USING THE ALLEYWAY, SHOOTING ACROSS
12:07:56PM THE STREET.
12:07:56PM YOU ALREADY HAD MENTIONED BULLET HOLES IN VEHICLES, FENCES,
12:08:00PM YOUR GARAGE DOOR.
12:08:05PM I MEAN, UNLESS -- I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYBODY IN THE
12:08:07PM PUBLIC THAT'S GOING TO OBJECT TO THIS.
12:08:09PM I UNDERSTAND THAT ALLEY VACATIONS, WE TAKE THEM CAREFULLY
12:08:11PM ONE BY ONE.
12:08:12PM BUT IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THIS VIDEO, SEE THE VIDEO.
12:08:15PM IT'S RIDICULOUS, YOU KNOW, AT WHAT I SAW.
12:08:21PM AGAIN, IT WAS LIKE PROHIBITION-ERA, GANGSTER STYLE, WHAT YOU
12:08:25PM WOULD EXPECT.
12:08:26PM YOU HAVE A LOT OF FAMILIES IN THIS AREA.
12:08:28PM YOU HAVE A LOT OF BUSY TRAFFIC CROSSING COLUMBUS.
12:08:31PM I MEAN, IT'S JUST -- THIS IS NONSENSE.
12:08:33PM I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT IN.
12:08:35PM THANK YOU.
12:08:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
12:08:37PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
12:08:38PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
12:08:39PM THIS HAS NO BEARING WHATSOEVER ON MY DECISION HERE, EVEN
12:08:45PM THOUGH I SEE MYSELF VOTING FOR THIS FOR OTHER REASONS.
12:08:48PM I DO WANT TO COMPLIMENT YOU, THOUGH, THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING IN
12:08:52PM SUCH A CALM WAY WITH SUCH GOOD TEMPERAMENT ON SOMETHING SO
12:08:56PM DEEPLY PERSONAL.
12:08:57PM YOU'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT A SHOOT-OUT THAT HAPPENED AT YOUR
12:08:59PM HOUSE WHERE YOU LIVE, WHERE YOUR CHILDREN SLEEP, ET CETERA,
12:09:03PM ET CETERA, AND YOU'RE SO CALM.
12:09:07PM TEMPERAMENT IS THE KEY TO LIFE AND YOU OBVIOUSLY MASTERED
12:09:10PM THAT.
12:09:10PM AGAIN, MOST PEOPLE, AND IT WOULDN'T BE UNREASONABLE TO SAY
12:09:14PM FOR SOMEBODY, MOST PEOPLE COULDN'T HOLD THEIR COMPOSURE
12:09:17PM TOGETHER LIKE YOU ARE UP THERE.
12:09:19PM I NOTICED THAT AND I JUST SALUTE YOU FOR THAT.
12:09:22PM >> THANK YOU.
12:09:22PM I THINK IT'S THE MILITARY TRAINING.
12:09:24PM >>LUIS VIERA: I WOULD THINK SO.
12:09:26PM >> SUPPOSED TO BE CALM.
12:09:29PM >>LUIS VIERA: I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT.
12:09:30PM THANK YOU, SIR.
12:09:31PM >> THANK YOU.
12:09:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
12:09:33PM IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS?
12:09:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO CLOSE.
12:09:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO ONE IS ONLINE?
12:09:40PM DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:09:45PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:09:47PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
12:09:49PM ANY OPPOSITION?
12:09:49PM MOTION PASSES.
12:09:51PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:09:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK: FILE NUMBER VAC 23-05, AN ORDINANCE PRESENTED
12:09:59PM ON FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF
12:10:01PM TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING AND
12:10:04PM ABANDONING THAT NORTH/SOUTH DIAGONAL ALLEYWAY LOCATED NORTH
12:10:08PM OF COLUMBUS DRIVE, SOUTH OF KATHLEEN STREET, EAST OF FREMONT
12:10:11PM AVENUE, AND WEST OF ROME AVENUE, WITHIN THE PLAT OF BOWMAN
12:10:15PM HEIGHTS SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH
12:10:17PM COUNTY, FLORIDA, AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2
12:10:21PM HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND
12:10:24PM RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN;
12:10:27PM PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS;
12:10:30PM PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS, AND REPEALING
12:10:33PM CONFLICTS; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING AN
12:10:36PM EFFECTIVE DATE.
12:10:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN
12:10:39PM HURTAK.
12:10:39PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:10:42PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:10:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
12:10:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
12:10:47PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
12:10:48PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:10:50PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:10:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:10:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:10:54PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:10:55PM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON APRIL 6, 2023,
12:10:59PM AT 9:30 A.M.
12:11:11PM >> THANK YOU.
12:11:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO BREAK FOR LUNCH UNTIL 1:45.
12:11:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE ARE IN RECESS UNTIL 1:45.
12:11:21PM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
12:11:21PM [LUNCH RECESS]
12:11:24PM
01:47:06PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
01:47:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
01:47:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
01:47:23PM >>CLERK: WE HAVE A QUORUM.
01:47:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IT HAS BEEN REQUESTED THAT WE TAKE AGENDA
01:47:28PM ITEM NUMBER 64 AND 65 AT THIS TIME.
01:47:32PM SO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 64, FILE NO. VRB-22-88-C.
01:47:36PM [INAUDIBLE]
01:47:49PM -- FOR PROPERTY LOCATED 1728 WEST POWHATAN AVENUE.
01:47:54PM THE PETITIONER IN THIS CASE IS ALDO LOPEZ.
01:47:57PM MR. LOPEZ HAD REQUESTED OF THE VRB TO REDUCE HIS WEST SIDE
01:48:05PM --
01:48:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS VALDEZ, I APOLOGIZE.
01:48:09PM A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN
01:48:15PM GUDES.
01:48:15PM ALL IN FAVOR.
01:48:16PM OPPOSED.
01:48:17PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: IF I MAY START OVER, AND THE
01:48:23PM INTERPRETER ASKED ME TO SLOW DOWN.
01:48:25PM SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
01:48:27PM THIS ITEM NUMBER 64 HAD.
01:48:29PM A PETITION FOR REVIEW FROM VRB CASE NUMBER 22-88 AT 1728
01:48:42PM WEST POWHATAN AVENUE.
01:48:43PM THE PETITIONER IS ALDO LOPEZ.
01:48:45PM MR. LOPEZ FILED AN APPLICATION WITH THE VARIANCE REVIEW
01:48:49PM BOARD REQUESTING TO REDUCE HIS WEST SIDE YARD SETBACK FROM 7
01:48:53PM FEET TO 0 FEET.
01:48:54PM THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD DENIED THE APPLICATION REQUEST
01:48:59PM DECEMBER 13, 2022, AND THEY DID CITE SEVERAL REASONS FOR THE
01:49:04PM DENIAL.
01:49:04PM FIRST, THE VRB DENIED THE REQUEST BECAUSE THE APPLICANT DID
01:49:09PM NOT MEET HIS BURDEN OF PROOF TO HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE
01:49:15PM OF A HARDSHIP.
01:49:16PM PERFORMED WORK WITHOUT PERMITS AND IN THE EXTENT THERE WAS A
01:49:22PM HARDSHIP, IT WAS SELF-CREATE.
01:49:24PM AND THAT THE APPLICANT IS ABLE TO SOLVE THE DRAINAGE ISSUE
01:49:27PM WITHOUT A 13 X 16 WIDE CARPORT.
01:49:34PM A CARPORT IS ALREADY ON PROPERTY AND THE CONCERN THAT A
01:49:38PM VARIANCE WOULD REMAIN IN PLACE ON THIS PROPERTY FOREVER.
01:49:43PM I DID PROVIDE COUNCIL WITH PACKETS CONTAINING RULES OF
01:49:47PM PROCEDURE FOR THIS HEARING.
01:49:48PM TWO CODE SECTIONS 27-61, WHICH PROVIDE THE PROCESS FOR
01:49:56PM REVIEW OF A BOARD DECISIONS THAT COUNCIL IS UNDERTAKING THIS
01:49:59PM AFTERNOON.
01:49:59PM CODE SECTION 27-80 WHICH PROVIDES THE GUIDELINES FOR
01:50:04PM APPLICATION OF THE VARIANCE POWER AND SPECIFICALLY THE
01:50:07PM CRITERIA THAT THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD APPLIED TO THIS
01:50:12PM REQUEST.
01:50:12PM AND FINALLY SAMPLE MOTIONS FOR YOU TO USE AT THE END OF THIS
01:50:21PM HEARING.
01:50:23PM THE CITY COUNCIL WILL APPLY A DE NOVO STANDARD REVIEW
01:50:29PM THAT CITY COUNCIL IS NOT LIMITED IN ITS REVIEW TO
01:50:31PM INFORMATION, DOCUMENTATION OR EVIDENCE WHICH THE VARIANCE
01:50:38PM REVIEW APPLICATION WAS BASED.
01:50:40PM CITY COUNCIL WILL FOLLOW ALL APPLICABLE ORDINANCES IN
01:50:43PM ARRIVING AT ITS DECISION AND CITY COUNCIL MAY RECEIVE NEW
01:50:46PM EVIDENCE AT THIS HEARING THIS AFTERNOON.
01:50:47PM IN A MOMENT, MISS JAYNE NMADU WILL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF
01:50:55PM THE APPLICATION AND THE DECISION.
01:50:56PM AND FOLLOWING THE HEARING, CITY COUNCIL MAY TAKE ONE OF
01:51:00PM SEVERAL ACTIONS AFTER HEARING THE EVIDENCE.
01:51:03PM CITY COUNCIL MAY AFFIRM THE VRB DECISION AND DENY THE
01:51:07PM REQUEST TO REDUCE THE WEST SIDE YARD SETBACK FROM SEVEN FEET
01:51:11PM TO ZERO FEET.
01:51:12PM CITY COUNCIL MAY AFFIRM THE DECISION WITH ADDITIONAL
01:51:16PM CONDITIONS THAT YOU MUST GET AGREEMENT FROM THE PROPERTY
01:51:18PM OWNERS BEFORE YOU IMPOSE.
01:51:20PM CITY COUNCIL MAY REMAND THE MATTER BACK TO THE VRB FOR
01:51:25PM FURTHER PROCEED WITH SPECIFIC DIRECTIONS TO THE VRB
01:51:29PM INDICATING THE BASIS FOR REMAND AND FOURTH AND FINALLY, CITY
01:51:33PM COUNCIL MAY OVERTURN THE VRB DECISION AND GRANT THE REQUEST
01:51:37PM TO REDUCE THE WEST SIDE YARD SETBACK FROM SEVEN FEET TO ZERO
01:51:41PM FEET.
01:51:42PM I AM HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS IF COUNCIL HAS ANY AT THIS
01:51:45PM TIME, AND IF NOT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MISS NMADU TESTIMONY.
01:51:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ
01:51:54PM NUMBER.
01:51:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MADAM CLERK, HAVE YOU SWORN IN THE
01:51:59PM INTERPRETER?
01:52:00PM CAN WE HAVE THE INTERPRETER SWORN IN?
01:52:11PM YOU HAVE.
01:52:13PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: YOU HAVE TO DO BOTH.
01:52:14PM [SWEARING IN]
01:52:23PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WOULD YOU GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
01:52:25PM >> RUDOLPH CAMPBELL.
01:52:30PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU HAVE THAT?
01:52:31PM I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MADE THE TAPE.
01:52:33PM YOU HAVE IT?
01:52:34PM OKAY.
01:52:34PM >> EVERYONE ELSE PROVIDING TESTIMONY, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE
01:52:38PM YOUR RIGHT HAND.
01:52:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ALSO, COUNCIL, PLEASE RECEIVE AND FILE ANY
01:52:50PM EX-PARTE WRITTEN DOCUMENTS PURSUANT TO FLORIDA DOCUMENTS.
01:52:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
01:52:57PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
01:52:59PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
01:53:00PM OPPOSED.
01:53:01PM MOTION PASSES.
01:53:03PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN.
01:53:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
01:53:06PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU SAID ACCORDING TO THE APPLICATION TO THE
01:53:09PM VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD THE OUTCOME WAS THAT THE PETITIONER
01:53:12PM CREATED THE HARDSHIP HIMSELF.
01:53:14PM IS THAT CORRECT?
01:53:15PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: CORRECT, THE WORK ON THIS CARPORT AND
01:53:18PM CONSTRUCTION WAS DONE WITHOUT PERMITS.
01:53:21PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WASN'T SOMETHING DONE BEFORE THAT WE ARE
01:53:23PM TRYING TO CHANGE.
01:53:24PM BUT THE ACTUAL PETITIONER DID THE WORK CREATING HIS OWN
01:53:27PM HARDSHIP.
01:53:28PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THAT IS WHAT THE VARIANCE REVIEW
01:53:32PM BOARD FOUND, THAT'S CORRECT.
01:53:34PM I WILL TURN IT OVER TO POLICE NMADU AND REMIND HER TO SPEAK
01:53:40PM MORE SLOWLY SO THE INTERPRETER CAN INTERPRET FOR THE
01:53:44PM APPLICANT.
01:53:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHEN COUNCIL MAKE THEIR COMMENTS TO PLEASE
01:53:47PM TAKE INTO ACCOUNT TO SPEAK SLOWER AND PERHAPS INTO THE
01:53:49PM MICROPHONE SO THE INTERPRETER IS ABLE TO HEAR CLEARLY.
01:53:53PM THANK YOU.
01:53:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: CAN YOU HEAR US?
01:54:09PM YOU ARE MUTED.
01:54:15PM >> YES, GOOD AFTERNOON CITY COUNCIL.
01:54:17PM I AM TRYING TO SHARE MY SCREEN.
01:54:20PM OKAY.
01:54:34PM IS MY PRESENTATION UP?
01:54:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOT QUITE.
01:54:41PM YOU ARE ALMOST THERE.
01:54:42PM YES, MA'AM.
01:54:43PM >>JAYNE NMADU: GOOD AFTERNOON, CITY COUNCIL.
01:54:46PM MY NAME IS JAYNE NMAD,U AND I AM WITH DEVELOPMENT
01:54:51PM COORDINATION AND PRESENTING THE CASE FOR FILE NO.
01:54:54PM VRB-22-88-C.
01:54:54PM THAT IS BEFORE YOU FOR APPEAL.
01:54:55PM THE PROPERTY OWNER IS ALDO LOPEZ.
01:55:03PM AND THE PROPERTY IS ADDRESSED AT 1728 WEST POWHATAN AVENUE.
01:55:09PM THIS IS RS-60, A RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ZONING.
01:55:13PM THEY WENT BEFORE THE VARIANCE BOARD WITH THE REQUEST TO
01:55:17PM REDUCE THE WEST SIDE YARD SETBACK FROM SEVEN FEET TO ZERO
01:55:21PM FEET.
01:55:21PM AND THIS IS FOR AN EXISTING CARPORT.
01:55:24PM THE CODE SECTION IN REFERENCE IS SECTION 27-156 THAT HAS THE
01:55:30PM SCHEDULE OF AREA, HEIGHT, PLACEMENT FOR THE RS-60 AS 25 FEET
01:55:37PM FOR THE FRONT.
01:55:38PM 20 FEET FOR THE REAR.
01:55:39PM AND SEVEN FEET ON THE SIDES.
01:55:41PM THE CRITERIA FOR THE APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF A VARIANCE
01:55:47PM REQUEST IS FOUND IN EXCEPTION 27-80.
01:55:50PM AND THIS THE CRITERIA THAT THE BOARD USED IN DETERMINING THE
01:55:55PM VARIANCE REQUEST REPORTED BEFORE IT.
01:55:57PM ONE, IT TALKS ABOUT THE ALLEGED HARDSHIP.
01:56:00PM TWO, THE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY AND THIS WILL NOT BE A
01:56:03PM SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP.
01:56:04PM THREE, WHETHER IT INTERFERES WITH THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF
01:56:08PM OTHERS.
01:56:08PM AND FOUR, THAT IT IS IN HARMONY WITH THE INTENT OF THE CITY
01:56:13PM OF TAMPA CODE AND THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
01:56:15PM AND FIVE, THAT THIS WILL RESULT IN SUBSTANTIAL JUSTICE FOR
01:56:18PM THE APPLICANT AND THE PUBLIC.
01:56:20PM THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD HEARD THIS CASE ON DECEMBER 13,
01:56:29PM 2022.
01:56:30PM AND AFTER TESTIMONY, DENIED THE REQUEST 5-1, TO REDUCE THE
01:56:35PM WEST SIDE-YARD SETBACK FROM SEVEN FEET TO ZERO.
01:56:39PM THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IN THE ORANGE SQUARE OR
01:56:45PM RECTANGLE IN THIS CASE.
01:56:46PM IT IS AN INTERIOR LOT THAT IS LOCATED IN THE USF
01:56:51PM INSTITUTIONAL PLANNING DISTRICT.
01:56:53PM THIS WAS WORK THAT WAS DONE WITHOUT PERMIT AS SUSAN
01:57:02PM JOHNSON-VELEZ ALREADY STATED.
01:57:04PM THEY WERE CITED AND THIS VARIANCE WAS IN ORDER TO BRING THE
01:57:09PM PROPERTY IN COMPLIANCE.
01:57:10PM THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED.
01:57:15PM THIS IS THE EXISTING ONE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE.
01:57:19PM AND TO THE WEST SIDE HERE IS WHERE WE HAVE THE CARPORT THAT
01:57:24PM IS UNDER THIS VARIANCE REQUEST.
01:57:26PM THE APPLICANT PROVIDED PICTURES OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
01:57:33PM SO THIS IS THE CARPORT.
01:57:35PM AND THAT IS THE FENCE TOWARD THE SIDE.
01:57:37PM AND THIS IS A GATE THAT GOES -- OPENS AND CLOSES IN FRONT OF
01:57:45PM THAT CARPORT.
01:57:45PM THE APPLICANTS WILL PROVIDED PICTURES SHOWING WHAT WAS THEIR
01:57:55PM HARDSHIP WITH REGARDS TO RUNOFF WATER AND COMING FROM THE
01:58:00PM NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY INTO THEIR OWN PROPERTY.
01:58:02PM AND THESE ARE PICTURES THAT THEY PROVIDED TO SHOW THE DAMAGE
01:58:07PM THAT WAS DONE THEIR PROPERTY FROM THAT RUNOFF WATER.
01:58:11PM AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WOULD BE AVAILABLE -- I
01:58:20PM WILL BE ON STANDBY.
01:58:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
01:58:24PM SEEING NONE, PETITIONER.
01:58:26PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, I'M THE DAUGHTER OF ALDO LOPEZ, AND I'M
01:58:44PM HERE ON HIS BEHALF TO EXPLAIN THE REASONS WHY THEY BUILT THE
01:58:48PM CARPORT WITHOUT THE PROPER SIDE SETBACK.
01:58:50PM AND KINDLY REQUEST YOUR RECONSIDERATION FOR APPROVAL OF THE
01:58:55PM EXISTING STRUCTURE.
01:58:56PM I BROUGHT SOME MORE PICTURES, BUT FIRST, I WOULD ALSO LIKE
01:59:01PM TO MENTION THIS PROPERTY WAS BUILT IN 1957 AND THE EXTERIOR
01:59:07PM MATERIAL AND THE FOUNDATION IS CRAWLSPACE.
01:59:10PM WE ARE SURROUNDED BY THREE HOUSES, ONE ON THE EAST SIDE AND
01:59:13PM ONE ON THE BACK.
01:59:14PM THEY ARE EACH BUILT AT A HIGHER LEVEL THAN OURS.
01:59:18PM BETWEEN THE THREE HOUSES.
01:59:24PM THE CARPORT GUIDE THE WATER TO THE STREET CITY DRAIN AND
01:59:28PM PREVENT THE RAINWATER TO GET INTO THE NEIGHBOR'S YARD.
01:59:31PM WE BUILT IT AS FAR AS POSSIBLE FROM THE HOUSE TO PROTECT THE
01:59:34PM WALLS AND PREVENT THE WATER COMING BELOW THE HOUSE.
01:59:37PM BEFORE THE CARPORT WHICH WAS THE MAIN ISSUE IS THAT THE
01:59:42PM WATER RAN BELOW OUR HOUSE.
01:59:44PM AND IT WOULD STAY THERE FOR DAYS.
01:59:45PM SOMETIMES MY DAD -- HE HAD TO MANUALLY TAKE THAT WATER OUT.
01:59:50PM AND OTHERWISE IT WOULD BRING A LOT OF HUMIDITY BELOW THE
01:59:55PM HOUSE AND BECAUSE OF THE CRAWLSPACE FOUNDATION, THERE WERE
01:59:59PM AFRAID OF THE POSSIBILITY OF CREATING MOLD IN THE HOUSE
02:00:02PM SINCE IT IS OLD AND WOOD.
02:00:05PM ALSO THE FAMILY, ESPECIALLY MY MOM AND MY BROTHER, THEY
02:00:09PM SUFFER FROM ALLERGIES.
02:00:10PM AMONG THEM ARE SOME TYPES OF MOLD AND IN ADDITION TO THE
02:00:14PM FACT THEY ARE ALSO ASTHMATIC.
02:00:16PM AND HUMIDITY DOES NOT HELP WITH THEIR CONDITION.
02:00:19PM I ALSO BROUGHT SOME PAPERS OF THIS IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE
02:00:23PM THEM.
02:00:23PM OF THEIR ALLERGIES.
02:00:24PM OKAY.
02:00:29PM SO BASICALLY THAT WAS -- THAT IS THE MAIN REASON WHY WE
02:00:33PM BUILT THE CARPORT.
02:00:34PM AND WHY WE REALLY NEED TO KEEP NOT ONLY THE CARPORT BUT KEEP
02:00:38PM IT THE WAY IT IS WITH THE LENGTH THAT IT WAS BELT.
02:00:41PM I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW SOME PICTURES TO SHOW HOW THE STRUCTURE
02:00:45PM WORKS, IF THAT IS POSSIBLE.
02:00:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THE PICTURES ARE ON THE OVERHEAD PROJECTOR
02:00:51PM RIGHT THERE TO YOUR RIGHT.
02:00:52PM YOU CAN TURN IT -- THANK YOU.
02:00:57PM >> AS YOU CAN SEE, THE HOUSE IS IN -- IT HAS A NICE VIEW,
02:01:07PM YOU KNOW.
02:01:07PM ENGLISH IS NOT MY FIRST LANGUAGE, SO I'M HERE AS A FRIEND
02:01:11PM JUST TO HELP THE FAMILY.
02:01:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOUR NAME AND RELATIONSHIP.
02:01:14PM >> GLORIA ACOSTA.
02:01:16PM AND I AM A FRIEND OF THE FAMILY.
02:01:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING?
02:01:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GO AHEAD.
02:01:23PM >> AS YOU CAN SEE, IT IS A HOUSE -- THE LEVEL OF THE
02:01:29PM SURROUNDING HOUSES ARE HIGHER THAN -- THEN THE HOUSE IN
02:01:34PM FACT.
02:01:34PM ALSO, THE WAY THAT THE CARPORT WAS BUILT, IT IS A NICE --
02:01:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: CAN YOU LOWER THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT PLEASE.
02:01:44PM >> IT'S NICE.
02:01:49PM IT WAS BUILT CORRECTLY.
02:01:53PM THE ONLY THING THEY DIDN'T TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WAS THE
02:01:57PM SIDE SETBACK WHICH IS WHY WE ARE HERE TO AGAIN, KINDLY
02:02:01PM REQUEST FROM YOU, TO SEE THE NECESSARY -- TO KEEP IT THE WAY
02:02:08PM IT IS WITH THE NECESSARY -- WITH THE LENGTH AWAY FROM THE
02:02:12PM MAIN HOUSE.
02:02:14PM BECAUSE -- OH, WE HAVE SOME MORE PICTURES SHOWING -- THIS IS
02:02:21PM THE INTERIOR.
02:02:24PM >> THAT IS THE DRAIN RIGHT THERE.
02:02:27PM >> THERE WAS AN EXISTING DRAIN ON THIS SIDE OF THE HOUSE,
02:02:31PM BUT IT IS NOT ENOUGH TO KEEP THE WATER AWAY WHEN RAIN.
02:02:38PM I WILL BRING SOME MORE -- THIS SHOWS ONE OF THE HOUSES --
02:02:46PM LEVEL, YOU KNOW.
02:02:47PM AND THIS IS ALSO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE THAT IS HIGHER.
02:02:56PM AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PICTURE, THE WATER IS -- SOME -- EVEN
02:03:02PM THOUGH WITH THE CARPORT GETS INTO THE DRIVEWAY.
02:03:05PM SO -- THIS IS THE CRAWLSPACE THAT IT WOULD GO -- IT WILL
02:03:13PM STAY -- THE WATER IF WE DON'T KEEP THE -- THE CARPORT -- THE
02:03:18PM LENGTH FROM THE MAIN HOUSE THAT IS RIGHT NOW.
02:03:20PM >> WITH THE WATER -- I MEAN WITH THE GUTTERS AND THE
02:03:23PM CARPORT, IT HELPS TO GUIDE THE WATER INTO THAT DRAIN, WHICH
02:03:28PM TAKES IT OUT OF THE HOUSE, BUT STILL SOMETIMES, THERE IS
02:03:31PM WATER ACCUMULATE UNTIL THERE LIKE WE SAW IN THE OTHER
02:03:34PM PICTURE WITH THE DRAIN AND THE CARPORT.
02:03:36PM THAT HAS REALLY HELPED TO KEEP THAT WATER OUT.
02:03:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SENORITA, YOUR NAME.
02:03:44PM >> MY NAME?
02:03:45PM DIANA LOPEZ.
02:03:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
02:03:48PM >> I WOULD LIKE TO END THIS PRESENTATION BY EMPHASIZING THAT
02:03:51PM THIS CARPORT IS NOT IN ANY WAY A NUISANCE TO ANY OF THE
02:03:55PM PEOPLE WHO CALL THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HOME, ESPECIALLY THE TWO
02:03:58PM FAMILIES OF BOTH OF MY SIDES THAT HAVE STRONGLY SUPPORTED US
02:04:02PM BY LETTERS.
02:04:03PM I HAVE LIKE SIX OR FIVE LETTERS FROM THEM.
02:04:07PM IN FACT, THE NEIGHBOR WHO WILL BE THE MOST EFFECTED BY THIS
02:04:10PM CARPORT IS RIGHT HERE.
02:04:12PM HIS NAME IS RAFAEL MORERO.
02:04:15PM HE HAS BEEN LIVING IN HIS HOUSE FOR 30 YEARS.
02:04:18PM AND ELSE HERE SHOWING HIS SUPPORT.
02:04:20PM AND PLEASE NOTE THAT THE GENUINE INTENT FOR KEEPING THIS
02:04:24PM CARPORT IS JUST A FATHER'S URGE TO PROTECT HIS HOME AND HIS
02:04:28PM CHILDREN'S HEALTH OVERALL.
02:04:30PM AND FINALLY, WE WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU NEVER OUR INTENTION
02:04:33PM TO DISREGARD THE CITY'S LAWS IN ANY WAY WHICH IS WHY WE
02:04:37PM RESPECTFULLY URGE YOU TO ALLOW US TO KEEP THIS CARPORT THAT
02:04:41PM IS EXTREMELY BENEFICIAL TO US AS A FAMILY AND CONTRIBUTES TO
02:04:45PM THE VALUE OF OUR REAL ESTATE, THE APPEARANCE OF THE
02:04:48PM NEIGHBORHOOD OVERALL AND DOES NOT HARM OUR NEIGHBORS AT ALL.
02:04:52PM THAT WILL BE IT.
02:04:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT WILL CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION?
02:04:57PM >> YES, THANK YOU.
02:04:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:05:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHEN DID YOUR FAMILY PURCHASE THE HOME?
02:05:09PM >> SIX YEARS AGO
02:05:10PM 2016, DECEMBER.
02:05:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AND WHERE DOES THE WATER GO NOW?
02:05:18PM WE SAW THE -- WHERE DOES IT GO FROM THERE?
02:05:22PM >> IT GOES TO THE DRAIN.
02:05:24PM FROM THAT DRAIN THAT WE SHOWED, IT GOES STRAIGHT TO THE CITY
02:05:27PM DRAIN IN THE STREET.
02:05:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IN THE STREET?
02:05:30PM OKAY, THANK YOU.
02:05:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
02:05:39PM MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ, ARE YOU COMING UP TO SPEAK?
02:05:46PM OKAY.
02:05:46PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:05:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN -- CAN WE HAVE THE LETTERS?
02:05:51PM >> YES.
02:05:52PM DO YOU ALSO NEED THE PAPERS OF MY MOTHER'S ASTHMA?
02:06:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THERE ANYONE IN CHAMBERS THAT WISHES TO
02:06:05PM SPEAK TO THIS?
02:06:07PM ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?
02:06:12PM NO ONE IS REGISTERED.
02:06:13PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
02:06:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I CAN ASK A QUESTION.
02:06:22PM I SEE THE CARPORT, THE CONCRETE, WAS THAT PERMITTED OR NOT?
02:06:32PM >> YES.
02:06:32PM WE HAVE APPLIED FOR THE PERMIT.
02:06:35PM BUT CURRENTLY, THEY WON'T LET US KEEP GOING WITH THE
02:06:39PM APPLICATION UNTIL WE RESOLVE THE CARPORT ISSUE.
02:06:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I MAY ASK COUNCIL'S PERMISSION, LET ME
02:06:47PM SPEAK TO YOU IN OTHER LANGUAGE.
02:06:49PM HE COULD LISTEN.
02:06:52PM HE CAN LISTEN.
02:06:54PM I WILL SPEAK TO THE INTERPRETER.
02:06:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. MIRANDA.
02:07:07PM THIS -- MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ, PLEASE.
02:07:15PM CAN YOU -- IF WE CAN.
02:07:35PM HAVE THE INTERPRETER PLEASE.
02:07:37PM SIR, STEP UP TO THE MICROPHONE AND CAN WE HAVE THE GENTLEMAN
02:07:41PM -- THE GENTLEMAN, THE PETITIONER, AND IF HE CAN STATE HIS
02:07:47PM NAME PLEASE.
02:07:47PM >> MY NAME IS ALDO LOPEZ.
02:07:51PM 1728 WEST POWHATAN AVENUE.
02:07:57PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF WE CAN, MR. INTERPRETER, IF YOU CAN HEAR
02:08:00PM MR. MIRANDA'S QUESTION IN ENGLISH, IF YOU CAN TRANSLATE THAT
02:08:05PM IN SPANISH AND MR. MIRANDA WILL BE LISTENING TO MAKE SURE
02:08:08PM THAT YOU DO IT CORRECTLY.
02:08:09PM RIGHT.
02:08:11PM SO HE NEEDS -- I KNOW -- EXACTLY.
02:08:14PM SO MR. MIRANDA NEEDS TO REQUEST -- I REQUEST THAT MR.
02:08:19PM MIRANDA YOU ASK THE QUESTION FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE RECORD,
02:08:23PM ASK THE QUESTION IN ENGLISH.
02:08:24PM THE TRANSLATOR WILL TRANSLATE IT TO SPANISH.
02:08:27PM THE GENTLEMAN WILL RESPOND TO THE INTERPRETER AND THEN YOU
02:08:32PM WILL ANSWER IN ENGLISH FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE RECORD, THAT
02:08:35PM BEING TRANSLATED.
02:08:36PM ARE WE CLEAR?
02:08:38PM THANK YOU.
02:08:38PM SO MR. MIRANDA, REPEAT THE QUESTION YOU ASKED IN SPANISH,
02:08:42PM ASK IT IN ENGLISH.
02:08:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I SEE TWO THINGS THAT I SAW FROM THE
02:08:46PM VIDEO, FROM THE PRESENTATION OF THE CAMERA THAT WAS ON TWO
02:08:50PM PIECES OF PHOTOGRAPH.
02:08:55PM ONE WAS THE CARPORT AND THE OTHER THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE
02:09:00PM WITH A U-TURN WHERE THE POSTMAN OR LADY PICKS THE MAIL AND
02:09:06PM A BIG PART OF CONCRETE.
02:09:08PM WAS THAT THERE PRIOR TO THE PURCHASING OF THE HOUSE OR DONE
02:09:11PM RECENTLY AFTER THE HOUSE WAS PURCHASED.
02:09:13PM [TRANSLATING QUESTION]
02:09:53PM [SPEAKING THROUGH INTERPRETER]
02:09:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU CAN BREAK IT UP, MAKES IT EASIER IF
02:10:01PM YOU CAN DO IT IN EXCEPTIONS.
02:10:04PM I THINK IT WOULD BE.
02:10:05PM >> RESPOND IN SHORT PHRASES ONCE I INTERPRET AND THEN HE
02:10:17PM CONTINUES.
02:10:17PM IS THAT FINE WITH COUNCIL?
02:10:19PM I JUST WANT TO SAY IN REGARDS TO BOTH THINGS.
02:10:23PM I DIDN'T ASK FOR ANY PERMITS BECAUSE THAT IS JUST FOR NOT
02:10:27PM HAVING KNOWLEDGE.
02:10:28PM AND THE CEMENT WAS DONE AFTER THE PURCHASE.
02:10:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MY NEXT QUESTION IS, ALTHOUGH THE CASE IS
02:10:36PM THE CARPORT, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS ALSO IN VIOLATION, AM
02:10:41PM I CORRECT?
02:10:49PM >> YES, CORRECT.
02:10:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ALTHOUGH THIS HEARING IS, I GUESS, BASED ONLY
02:10:56PM ON THE CARPORT.
02:10:57PM EVIDENCE THAT THERE IS ANOTHER PART OF THE HOUSE IN
02:11:00PM VIOLATION AND VIOLATING THE STORMWATER DRAINAGE THAT WE PASS
02:11:03PM THE TAX ON ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN YEARS AGO TO HAVE PERCOLATION
02:11:09PM FOR THE WATER TO GO DOWN INTO THE -- TO THE GRASS AND STAND
02:11:13PM AREA BECAUSE IF NOT, THE CITY OF TAMPA IS TAKING ALL THE
02:11:17PM WATER AND COMMITTED TO ONLY TAKE SO MUCH WATER BECAUSE OF
02:11:20PM THE TERTIARY TREATMENT PLANT AND THINGS WE NEED TO DO.
02:11:24PM ALL RIGHT, I WILL STOP.
02:11:26PM I AM SORRY, I AM GOING TOO FAST.
02:11:29PM I WILL GO BACK.
02:11:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. MIRANDA, I AM SORRY, IF YOU CAN, MR.
02:11:43PM TRANSLATOR.
02:11:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WILL DO IT IN ENGLISH THEN.
02:11:48PM WHAT I SEE IS A VIOLATION OF TWO THINGS.
02:11:50PM ONE THAT IT IS CHARGED WITH, THAT IS A CARPORT, BUT I DON'T
02:11:54PM KNOW HOW WHOEVER DID THE WORK UP ON THIS CONTRACT FILED
02:11:58PM REALIZE THAT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS ALSO IN VIOLATION
02:12:01PM BECAUSE THAT CONCRETE IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE 95% ALL THE WAY
02:12:06PM CONCRETE UP TO WHERE THE POST PERSON PICKS UP THE MAIL AND
02:12:11PM DELIVERS THE MAIL IN THE MAILBOX.
02:12:15PM [SPEAKING THROUGH INTERPRETER]
02:13:06PM I TRIED TO COOPERATE WITH THE CITY A LOT.
02:13:09PM I COME HERE SEVERAL TIMES.
02:13:12PM AND SO THE PERMISSION -- PERMITS I AM ASKING FOR THE
02:13:18PM CONCRETE TO CUT IT.
02:13:19PM I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET THAT BECAUSE I HAVE TO ATTEND
02:13:24PM THIS MATTER WITH THE CARPORT.
02:13:26PM SO THIS APPLICATION THAT I AM MAKING FOR THE VARIANCE --
02:13:50PM VARIATION IS SOMETHING THAT I THOUGHT THE WHOLE TIME WAS
02:13:52PM GOING TO BE JUST FOR FINISHING UP WITH THE CARPORT.
02:13:59PM I THOUGHT IT WAS THE PERMIT, NOT FOR THE APPLICATION,
02:14:03PM OTHERWISE, I WOULD HAVE TAKEN SCARE OF ALL THIS ALREADY.
02:14:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM NOT HERE PERSONALLY TO CONSIDER TWO
02:14:10PM VIOLATIONS AND ONLY CHARGED WITH ONE.
02:14:13PM BUT I WANT TO KNOW THE BACKGROUND OF THE OTHER ONE AND
02:14:17PM EVIDENTLY IT WAS IN VIOLATION BUT HE WAS NEVER CHARGED WITH
02:14:20PM THAT.
02:14:20PM I AM LOOKING AT ONE NOW ON THE CARPORT BECAUSE THE OTHER ONE
02:14:24PM YOU CAN'T CHARGE IF THERE IS NOT A CHARGE AGAINST HIM EVER.
02:14:31PM I AM NOT A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR
02:14:34PM THAT WATER TO COME DOWN AND RECHARGE THE AQUIFER AND GO
02:14:38PM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
02:14:38PM WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO DO THE THINGS WE WANT TO DO BECAUSE WE
02:14:43PM WANT TO DO THEM.
02:14:44PM IT MIGHT BE FINE THINKING OF WHAT YOU NEED FOR YOURSELF BUT
02:14:51PM I KNOW WHAT CITY THEY COME FROM AND THEY ARE NAIVE TO THE
02:14:55PM POINT BUT A QUESTION I HAVE TO ASK FOR MY OWN SELF.
02:15:00PM ONLY ASKING FOR THE CARPORT, I HAVE TO ASK FOR THE WHOLE
02:15:03PM THING, HOW IT HAPPENED, WHEN IT HAPPENED.
02:15:06PM I AM FINISHED.
02:16:21PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST A POINT, MR. MIRANDA AND THE REST OF
02:16:24PM COUNCIL.
02:16:24PM JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE STAFF MEMBER IS ALSO -- I
02:16:27PM DON'T RECALL HER NAME, BUT SHE IS AVAILABLE FOR YOU ONLINE.
02:16:33PM IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ASK STAFF QUESTIONS RELATED TO THIS
02:16:37PM CASE, THAT THAT PERSON IS AVAILABLE TO YOU.
02:16:40PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I KNOW THAT.
02:16:41PM I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE STAFF PERSON -- HE IS NOT CHARGED
02:16:44PM WITH TWO VIOLATIONS.
02:16:45PM HE IS CHARGED WITH ONE, THAT'S CORRECT?
02:16:47PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF SHE CAN TURN ON THE CAMERA, PLEASE.
02:16:50PM IS SHE THERE?
02:16:52PM >>JAYNE NMADU: YES, I'M HERE.
02:16:53PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THERE SHE GOES.
02:16:54PM >>JAYNE NMADU: SO THE APPLICANT -- THE APPLICANT IS CHARGED WITH --
02:17:03PM THE CODE VIOLATION IS BOTH FOR THE DRIVEWAY AND THE CARPORT.
02:17:06PM BECAUSE OF THE VIOLATION, THERE IS A LOCK ON HIS ADDRESS.
02:17:10PM AND THAT LOCK MEANS HE CAN'T PULL ANY PERMITS UNTIL HE FIXES
02:17:14PM THE ISSUE WITH THE CARPORT.
02:17:16PM HE DOES HAVE A PERMIT TRYING TO FIX THE DRIVEWAY BUT HE
02:17:19PM CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL HE HAVE FIXED THE ISSUE WITH THE
02:17:24PM CARPORT, SIDE YARD SETBACK.
02:17:26PM HE IS ENCROACHING THE SIDE YARD SETBACK AND THAT IS WHY HE
02:17:30PM WENT BEFORE THE VARIANCE BOARD.
02:17:34PM WHEN HE DID GO BEFORE THE VARIANCE BOARD WAS FOR THE
02:17:40PM CARPORT.
02:17:40PM THE VARIANCE BOARD CAN ONLY DEAL WITH THE REQUEST BEFORE IT.
02:17:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: GET IN EVERYBODY'S MINDS.
02:17:48PM CHARGED WITH TWO VIOLATIONS, IT IS ONLY ONE IN THIS
02:17:51PM COMPLAINT?
02:17:53PM >>JAYNE NMADU: THAT'S CORRECT.
02:17:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THIS COUNCIL CAN ONLY HEAR THE ONE OF
02:17:57PM WHICH HE WAS CHARGED WITH?
02:18:00PM >>JAYNE NMADU: CORRECT.
02:18:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, MA'AM.
02:18:02PM >> NO, I WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN WHAT SHE ALREADY DID.
02:18:08PM THE OTHER IN PROCESS AND CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL FINISH WITH
02:18:12PM THIS VARIANCE FIRST.
02:18:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER?
02:18:17PM ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT PUSHES TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON
02:18:21PM THIS CASE.
02:18:25PM IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE?
02:18:28PM ANYONE ONLINE?
02:18:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO CLOSE.
02:18:33PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND.
02:18:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ.
02:18:39PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, SUSAN
02:18:44PM JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
02:18:45PM I WANT TO ADD A COUPLE POINTS FOR CLARIFICATION.
02:18:48PM I THINK COUNCIL IS CLEAR NOW THAT THE APPLICATION BEFORE THE
02:18:51PM VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD WAS LIMITED TO THE SETBACK VIOLATION
02:18:55PM FOR THE CARPORT ONLY.
02:18:57PM THAT IS NUMBER ONE.
02:18:59PM NUMBER TWO IS, THERE WAS A STATEMENT BY THE APPLICANT'S
02:19:01PM REPRESENTATIVES THAT THE CARPORT WAS BUILT CORRECTLY, BUT IF
02:19:05PM IT WAS BUILT CORRECTLY, IT WOULD HAVE A PERMIT AND MEET THE
02:19:10PM SETBACKS.
02:19:10PM SO I WOULD -- JUST POINT THAT OUT AS WELL.
02:19:13PM SO I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS BUILT CORRECTLY.
02:19:16PM AND FINALLY, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE ALSO MENTIONED
02:19:21PM HEALTH ISSUES WITH HIS -- YOU KNOW THE MOTHER AND THE SON,
02:19:25PM BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE LAW OF HARDSHIP IS THAT THINGS
02:19:28PM THAT ARE PERSONAL TO A PARTICULAR PROPERTY OWNER CANNOT
02:19:33PM JUSTIFY A HARDSHIP.
02:19:34PM IT IS SUPPOSED TO RELATE TO CONDITIONS ON THE LAND.
02:19:37PM BECAUSE AT SOME POINT, THIS HOUSE WILL BE SOLD TO OTHER
02:19:41PM PROPERTY OWNER AND THE VARIANCE WILL REMAIN TO THE PROPERTY
02:19:44PM DOWN A ZERO SIDE SETBACK ON THE SIDE THAT WILL REMAIN WITH
02:19:49PM THE PROPERTY REGARDLESS OF NEW OWNERS COMING IN WHO MAY NOT
02:19:52PM HAVE THESE SIMILAR HOUSE ISSUES.
02:19:54PM I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL IS AWARE OF THAT AS WELL.
02:19:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
02:20:02PM QUICKLY.
02:20:03PM >> OF COURSE WE CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT THE PROPERTY WILL NOT
02:20:08PM BE SOLD IN THE FUTURE, BUT EVERYBODY KNOWS HOW THE MARKET IN
02:20:12PM TAMPA IS.
02:20:13PM AND THEY ARE -- HE WORKS -- HE IS SELF-EMPLOYED DOING A LOT
02:20:18PM OF SMALL JOBS.
02:20:20PM AND SHE WORKS AT WALMART.
02:20:24PM BEING REALISTIC, THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD ANOTHER
02:20:28PM HOME IN TAMPA.
02:20:29PM SO THEY WILL STAY THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
02:20:32PM IT IS REALLY WHAT I THINK.
02:20:35PM SO I HAVE TO EXPRESS IT.
02:20:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
02:20:40PM MR. SHELBY.
02:20:41PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SORRY, COUNCIL.
02:20:44PM JUST A REMINDER THEN THAT THAT IS NOT RELEVANT HOW LONG
02:20:48PM SOMEBODY WILL BE ABLE TO RETAIN THEIR HOUSE.
02:20:49PM IF ANY COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WHETHER THE PERMITS -- IN
02:20:56PM ORDER TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE, WHETHER THE PERMITS ARE STILL
02:21:00PM REQUIRED AS TO THE ISSUE OF DRAINAGE.
02:21:03PM THE ISSUE OF DRAINAGE CAME UP AND THE QUESTION IS WHETHER --
02:21:06PM WHAT IT WILL TAKE FOR THE -- IF THE COUNCIL WERE TO CONSIDER
02:21:11PM THIS.
02:21:11PM WHAT IT WOULD TAKE FOR THE PROJECT TO ACTUALLY HAVE TO MOVE
02:21:16PM FORWARD.
02:21:16PM WOULD IT THEN -- IS THERE -- IS THERE A REQUIREMENT FOR
02:21:21PM PERMITS TO BE ISSUED AND COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY
02:21:24PM CODE.
02:21:24PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL DEPARTMENT
02:21:27PM --
02:21:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SORRY.
02:21:30PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: RELATIVE TO THE CARPORT?
02:21:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: RELATIVE TO THE CARPORT.
02:21:35PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ.
02:21:37PM YES, THE CARPORT MUST BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SETBACK.
02:21:40PM THEY WILL EITHER REDUCE THE WIDTH OF THE CARPORT TO MEET BY
02:21:45PM SEVEN FEET TO MEET THE SIDE YARD SETBACK AND THE BUILDING
02:21:50PM CODE, OR, YOU KNOW -- OR WE WILL GET THAT VARIANCE.
02:21:55PM NOW THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD, I WILL TELL YOU.
02:21:58PM I WAS IN ATTENDANCE THAT EVENING AND THE BOARD STRUGGLED
02:22:01PM WITH THE NEED TO HAVE A 13-FOOT-WIDE CARPORT ESPECIALLY WHEN
02:22:06PM YOU DIDN'T MEET THE SETBACK.
02:22:07PM THEY DIDN'T FEEL THERE WAS ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE
02:22:10PM NEED FOR THE EXTRA WIDTH IN VIOLATION OF THE SETBACK
02:22:15PM THEY FURTHER FELT THAT THE DRAINAGE ISSUE THAT YOU HEARD
02:22:19PM DESCRIBED TODAY WAS SOLVED BY DIRECTING THAT WATER --
02:22:23PM WHATEVER WAS CONSTRUCTED, TO DIRECT THE WATER OUT TO THE
02:22:26PM STREET.
02:22:26PM THAT WAS SOLVED WITHOUT THE NEED FOR THIS ADDITIONAL COVERED
02:22:30PM AREA OF THE CARPORT WHICH IS WHAT IS IN FACT VIOLATING
02:22:34PM SETBACK.
02:22:35PM SO THAT -- THEY DO NEED TO GET THAT SOLVED BEFORE THEY WILL
02:22:41PM BE ABLE TO HAVE -- COMPLETE THEIR PERMIT PROCESS.
02:22:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WITH REGARD TO THE CONSTRUCTION ITSELF OF
02:22:49PM THE CARPORT, WILL THAT BE INSPECTED AGAIN AS WELL?
02:22:53PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: PART OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS, YES.
02:22:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:22:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO IT IS 13 FEET WIDE.
02:23:01PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: 13 FEET WIDE BY 65 FEET LONG.
02:23:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WOW.
02:23:07PM YOU CAN TELL ME IF THIS IS NO IN THE RELEVANT, BUT THE
02:23:15PM PERMEABLE SURFACE THEN IS PART OF THE ISSUE.
02:23:20PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I BELIEVE THAT IS PART -- MAYBE
02:23:23PM MISS NMADU CAN ADD TO THAT, BUT THAT IS THE CONCERN OF THE
02:23:28PM AMOUNT OF CONCRETE THAT IS COVERING THE REMAINDER OF THE
02:23:31PM PROPERTY.
02:23:34PM >> PERMISSION TO SPEAK.
02:23:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE, GO RIGHT AHEAD.
02:23:37PM >> WHEN THIS WAS REVIEWED BY NATURAL RESOURCES DEPARTMENT,
02:23:41PM THIS WAS THE COMMENT.
02:23:42PM ACCORDING TO TABLE 22-84.3.3, SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCES ARE
02:23:49PM REQUIRED TO HAVE 25% OF PARCEL AS GREEN SPACE.
02:23:53PM AND THEY WERE NOT MEETING THAT.
02:23:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK: DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE PERCENTAGE WAS?
02:24:02PM >> NO, THEY DID NOT PROVIDE THE PERCENTAGE, BUT JUST AN
02:24:06PM OVERVIEW OF THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES THAT THEY HAVE, IT WAS
02:24:11PM ABLE TO DEDUCE THEY WERE NOT MAKING THAT 25%.
02:24:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
02:24:15PM THANK YOU.
02:24:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR THE
02:24:21PM PETITIONER?
02:24:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO CLOSE --
02:24:25PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I BELIEVE THE PETITIONERS MIGHT HAVE
02:24:27PM AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL, BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ASK
02:24:31PM DEPENDING ON HOW COUNCIL'S DISCUSSIONS GO, IF -- I WOULD
02:24:35PM LIKE TO MAYBE SUGGEST CONDITIONS IF YOU ARE INCLINED TO --
02:24:40PM DEFENDING ON HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED.
02:24:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, ANY REBUTTAL FROM THE
02:24:47PM PETITIONERS?
02:24:48PM >> YES.
02:24:48PM THE REASON FOR THE LENGTH OF THE CARPORT BECAUSE THE
02:24:51PM GUTTERS, WHICH ARE ON TOP OF THE CARPORT ARE STRAIGHTLY --
02:24:56PM DIRECTLY ON TOP OF THE DRAIN.
02:24:58PM THAT IS WHY IT NEEDS TO BE THE LENGTH IT IS SO THE WATER CAN
02:25:01PM GO STRAIGHT INTO THE DRAIN.
02:25:03PM OTHERWISE IT WILL GO STRAIGHT INTO THE CEMENT AND WILL STAY
02:25:06PM THERE SINCE THE LEVEL IS NOT SINCE IT IS ON LEVEL WITH THE
02:25:17PM CRAWLSPACE OF THE HOUSE.
02:25:18PM THE LENGTH OF THE CARPORT IS THERE FOR THAT REASON SO IS THE
02:25:21PM WATER CAN GO STRAIGHT INTO THE DRAIN.
02:25:24PM THAT'S IT.
02:25:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
02:25:29PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: BY YOUR TESTIMONY, MA'AM, YOU ARE TELLING
02:25:32PM ME -- OR TELLING US THAT THE CARPORT IS THE LENGTH OF THE
02:25:36PM HOUSE.
02:25:36PM DOES THE CARPORT MEET THE END OF THE HOUSE?
02:25:44PM >> NO, NO.
02:25:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHERE IS THE WATER GOING BEYOND THE
02:25:47PM CARPORT DOWN TO THE GROUND?
02:25:50PM >> I AM SORRY.
02:25:50PM I THINK I MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION.
02:25:52PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THIS IS THE HOUSE, THE CARPORT GO FROM
02:25:56PM HERE AND HERE.
02:25:56PM IT ENDS HERE?
02:25:58PM >> YES.
02:25:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE WATER IS FALLING
02:26:00PM HERE, WHERE THAT THAT GO.
02:26:03PM >> NOT ON THE LIMIT.
02:26:06PM I WILL SHOW THE PICTURE, AND I WILL EXPLAIN.
02:26:36PM >> I HAVE A SITE PLAN IF CITY COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE
02:26:39PM SITE PLAN.
02:26:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: CAN I SEE THE SITE PLAN -- CAN WE SEE THE
02:26:44PM SITE PLAN.
02:26:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
02:26:47PM >> THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.
02:26:55PM THIS IS THE HOME.
02:26:56PM AND THIS, HERE, WITH THE BIG X IS THE CARPORT.
02:26:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO IT GOES ALL THE WAY.
02:27:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT IS THE COMPLETE CARPORT.
02:27:13PM NOT JUST THE CONCRETE PATH?
02:27:17PM >> THE COMPLETE CARPORT WITH THE -- WITH THE CONCRETE PAD.
02:27:24PM YOU HAVE THE DRIVEWAY IN FRONT, BUT THIS PART OF IT IS STILL
02:27:28PM PAVED.
02:27:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND COVERED?
02:27:32PM >> AND COVERED.
02:27:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
02:27:35PM ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR THE
02:27:49PM PETITIONER OR STAFF?
02:27:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO CLOSE.
02:27:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
02:27:55PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
02:27:56PM ALL IN FAVOR.
02:27:57PM ANY OPPOSED?
02:28:00PM MOTION PASSES.
02:28:01PM WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
02:28:08PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, SORRY FOR INTERRUPTING.
02:28:11PM AFTER THE DISCUSSION OF SEEING THE SITE PLAN IF ANYTHING
02:28:14PM THAT THE PETITIONER NEEDED OR WANTED TO ADD JUST FOR THE
02:28:18PM PURPOSES OF THE RECORD SO IT IS CLEAR?
02:28:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I THINK WE HAVE REBUTTAL ON THAT.
02:28:22PM A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
02:28:23PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
02:28:26PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
02:28:28PM OPPOSED?
02:28:29PM MOTION PASSES.
02:28:30PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOW IN RESPONSE -- ANY LAST -- ANYTHING YOU
02:28:34PM WANTED TO ADD OR DISCUSS?
02:28:38PM YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
02:28:40PM UNLESS YOU WANT OR THERE IS SOMETHING.
02:28:44PM >> THAT WILL BE IT.
02:28:45PM THANK YOU.
02:28:46PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOW WE ARE CLEAR FOR THE RECORD.
02:28:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
02:28:51PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
02:28:53PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
02:28:58PM OPPOSED.
02:28:59PM MOTION PASSES.
02:29:00PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
02:29:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BEFORE I MAKE THE MOTION, MISS
02:29:04PM JOHNSON-VELEZ, DO YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING?
02:29:07PM YOU SAID YOU WOULD SUGGEST SOMETHING.
02:29:10PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: IF IT IS THE COUNCIL'S PLEASURE TO
02:29:13PM OVERTURN THE REVIEW BOARD.
02:29:14PM I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE CONDITION BE ADD THAT THE CARPORT
02:29:18PM AREA NEVER BE ENCLOSED AND SOMEBODY CAN PUT WALLS UP AND
02:29:23PM HAVE SOLID STRUCTURE TO IT THE ZERO LOT LINE.
02:29:26PM I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU ADD THAT CONDITION THAT THAT AREA
02:29:32PM NEVER REMAIN CLOSED.
02:29:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:29:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: INCLUDES A SCREEN.
02:29:39PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE.
02:29:40PM SCREEN ENCLOSURE, HARD AIR-CONDITIONED SPACE.
02:29:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
02:29:45PM I WILL MAKE A MOTION.
02:29:47PM SO I MAKE A MOTION -- I MOVE TO OVERTURN THE VRB'S DECISION
02:29:52PM AND APPROVE APPLICATION NUMBER FILE NO. VRB-22-88-C, 1728
02:29:58PM WEST POWHATAN AVENUE, BASED ON THE PETITIONER PROVIDING
02:30:01PM COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD AND AT THIS
02:30:06PM PUBLIC HEARING OF UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP AND CRITERIA IN
02:30:11PM SECTION 27-80 OF THE CITY CODE SPECIFICALLY REGARDING THE --
02:30:16PM WHERE THE WATER GOES AND HOW IT DRAINS AS WAS EXPLAINED
02:30:21PM DURING THE TESTIMONY BY THE APPLICANT OR ONE OF THE
02:30:23PM APPLICANT'S PARTIES.
02:30:24PM BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT THIS CARPORT NEVER BE
02:30:30PM ENCLOSED, NEITHER BY A SCREEN OR BY A CONCRETE BLOCK OR
02:30:35PM ANYTHING.
02:30:37PM SO IT CAN'T BE MADE INTO AN EXTRA BEDROOM OR ANYTHING LIKE
02:30:40PM THAT.
02:30:41PM REMAINS A CARPORT AS YOU SEE IT.
02:30:43PM NOT AN ENCLOSED GARAGE WITH A DOOR OR ANYTHING.
02:30:45PM JUST AN OPEN CARPORT EXACTLY AS IT IS.
02:30:48PM THOSE ARE THE STIPULATIONS I WOULD PUT IN THIS -- IN THIS
02:30:55PM MOTION TO OVERTURN.
02:30:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
02:30:59PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
02:31:00PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
02:31:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES, SIR.
02:31:03PM I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
02:31:06PM I MOVE TO DENY -- I MOVE TO AFFIRM THE VRB'S DECISION OF
02:31:12PM THE FILE NO. VRB-22-88-C FOR 1728 WEST POWHATAN AVENUE.
02:31:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
02:31:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: OF THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR UNNECESSARY
02:31:24PM HARDSHIP AND PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES WHEN CONSIDERING THE
02:31:29PM FIVE HARDSHIP OF, CRITERIA SET IN CITY CODE, SPECIFICALLY
02:31:34PM THAT AND THAT IF YOU SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE, THE CARPORT
02:31:37PM IS JUST NOT UP TO THE END OF THE HOUSE, GOES WELL EIGHT OR
02:31:42PM TEN FEET BEYOND THAT.
02:31:43PM EVIDENTLY SOMETHING MORE THAN WHAT WAS SAID HERE.
02:31:46PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MIGHT BE, BUT THEY CAN APPLY FOR A
02:31:49PM LICENSE.
02:31:49PM THEY CAN APPLY FOR THE REVIEW.
02:31:51PM THEY CAN GET THE CARPORT.
02:31:53PM THEY CAN GET SEVEN FEET AND 13 MINUS 7, A NORMAL CARPORT THE
02:32:01PM SIZE OF NORMAL HOUSES IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
02:32:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU
02:32:09PM WANT TO BE READY AND SET TO GO FOR THIS; HOWEVER, WE HAVE A
02:32:15PM MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND HAS BEEN SECONDED.
02:32:17PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO MADE THE MOTION.
02:32:21PM COUNCILMAN VIERA SECONDED IT.
02:32:23PM WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT BEFORE --
02:32:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T BELIEVE YOU DO.
02:32:27PM A MOTION -- A MOTION IS ON THE FLOOR.
02:32:30PM AND YOU CAN ASK FOR A SUBSTITUTE MOTION AND THE SUBSTITUTE
02:32:35PM MOTION MUST BE --
02:32:38PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. MIRANDA --
02:32:39PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I MAY BE WRONG.
02:32:41PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I AM SORRY, IF I CAN.
02:32:43PM MY UNDERSTANDING OF ROBERTS RULES OF ORDER WITH REGARD TO A
02:32:47PM SUBSTITUTE MOTION, ACTUALLY, FRANKLY, IT IS NOT A SUBSTITUTE
02:32:53PM AS RECOGNIZED BY ROBERTS RULE OF ORDER AND MOTION TO AMEND.
02:32:58PM AND ONE OF THE RULES OF MOTION TO AMEND.
02:33:03PM I USED TO HAVE IT BEFORE THE NEW VERSION MARKED THAT A
02:33:06PM MOTION TO AMEND -- THERE WE ARE.
02:33:08PM IMPROPER AMENDMENTS.
02:33:11PM THE FOLLOWING TYPE OF AMENDMENTS ARE NOT IN ORDER.
02:33:14PM ONE THAT IS NOT GERMANE TO THE QUESTION BEING AMENDED.
02:33:17PM THAT IS NUMBER ONE.
02:33:19PM NUMBER TWO, ONE THAT MERELY MAKES THE ADOPTION OF THE
02:33:22PM AMENDED QUESTION EQUIVALENT TO THE OBJECTION OF THE ORIGINAL
02:33:26PM MOTION.
02:33:27PM THUS IN A MOTION THAT OUR DELEGATES ARE VOTED IN FAVOR OF
02:33:32PM THE INCREASE, THE AMENDMENT TO INSERT NOT -- OR BEFORE B IS
02:33:36PM NOT IN ORDER BECAUSE AN AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF NOT GIVING A
02:33:41PM CERTAIN INSTRUCTION IS IDENTICAL AS A NEGATIVE VOTE IN THE
02:33:45PM SAME INSTRUCTION.
02:33:48PM THEREFORE, A MOTION OPPOSITE TO ONE ON THE FLOOR WILL BE AN
02:33:54PM IMPROPER AMENDMENT UNDER ROBERTS RULE OF ORDER.
02:33:57PM THE MAKER OF THE MOTION CAN WITHDRAW IT IF THE MAKER WISHES
02:34:02PM OR THOSE WHO BELIEVE THAT MOTION IS NOT APPROPRIATE CAN VOTE
02:34:05PM TO DENY IT AND MR. MIRANDA'S MOTION WILL CERTAINLY BE IN
02:34:10PM ORDER.
02:34:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, IF YOU WILL DO ME THIS.
02:34:13PM YOUR MOTION IS SET AND READY TO GO.
02:34:17PM LET'S VOTE OFTEN THE FIRST THING --
02:34:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I THINK WE ARE DOING THE WRONG THING
02:34:22PM LEGALLY.
02:34:23PM AND I HAVE NOT BEEN PROVEN WRONG YET.
02:34:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: LET ME IF I ASK, MR. CHAIRMAN, GIVE ME TEN
02:34:29PM MINUTES ON THIS, IF WE CAN.
02:34:32PM AND LET ME RESOLVE THIS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE IN
02:34:35PM QUESTION --
02:34:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AS A COURTESY WITHDRAW MY MOTION.
02:34:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DOES THE SECOND ALLOW THEM TO WITHDRAW THE
02:34:42PM MOTION?
02:34:43PM >>LUIS VIERA: I OBJECT -- I AM JOKING --
02:34:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SO YOU DO.
02:34:47PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
02:34:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
02:34:52PM DO I GET A SECOND?
02:34:53PM WHO KNOWS.
02:34:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I SECONDED.
02:34:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
02:34:59PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:35:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
02:35:01PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
02:35:03PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
02:35:05PM >>LUIS VIERA: NO.
02:35:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
02:35:08PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
02:35:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
02:35:12PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH VIERA AND MANISCALCO VOTING NO.
02:35:15PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: TO BE CLEAR FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE RECORD,
02:35:18PM IF YOU COULD ANNOUNCE AGAIN WHAT THE RESULT IS WITH REGARD
02:35:22PM TO A MOTION TO.
02:35:24PM >>CLERK: MOTION TO DENY.
02:35:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: AGAIN, THE MOTION TO DENY PASSED ON A VOTE
02:35:32PM OF --
02:35:34PM >>CLERK: 5-2 WITH VIERA AND MANISCALCO VOTING NO.
02:35:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
02:35:39PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SORRY, SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
02:35:44PM DEPARTMENT.
02:35:45PM I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS REFLECTED ACCURATELY IN THE
02:35:48PM MOTION TO AFFIRM THE VRB DECISION TO DENY THE APPLICATION.
02:35:52PM OKAY.
02:35:52PM THANK YOU.
02:35:53PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: COULD WE -- ARE WE CLEAR ON THAT COUNCIL.
02:35:57PM BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT IS THE WAY IT IS TO BE READ?
02:36:01PM THANK YOU.
02:36:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NEXT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 65, FILE NO.
02:36:08PM SU1-23-04-C.
02:36:08PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE CITY
02:36:17PM ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
02:36:18PM COUNCILMEMBERS, ITEM NUMBER 65 IS FILE NO. SU1-23-04-C FOR
02:36:23PM THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 801 EAST EMMA STREET.
02:36:26PM THIS IS A PETITION THAT WAS FILED BY JAMES JONES JR. HE
02:36:31PM ASKED OF STAFF A REQUEST TO USE -- FOR THE USE REGARDING
02:36:36PM ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
02:36:38PM STAFF REVIEWED THE REQUEST FROM THE PETITIONER AND DENIED
02:36:44PM THE REQUEST ON JANUARY 5 OF 2023 AND STAFF DENIED ON
02:36:50PM THE BASIS THAT THE APPLICATION DID NOT MEET THE CRITERIA OF
02:36:54PM CODE SECTION SPECIFICALLY THAT AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT
02:36:58PM MAY NOT BE LOCATED IN A NONCONFORMING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE OR
02:37:02PM STRUCTURE CONFIRMING -- CONFORMING AS A RESULT OF A
02:37:05PM VARIANCE.
02:37:06PM PER THE STAFF.
02:37:08PM THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIRED
02:37:11PM SETBACK PER CODE 27-211.2.1 FOR THE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS
02:37:17PM DISTRICTS.
02:37:17PM I HAVE PROVIDED CITY COUNCIL COPY 27.132, 129 AND 130 ALONG
02:37:27PM WITH 27-61 FOR THE STANDARDS OF -- STANDARD OF REVIEW.
02:37:33PM I ALSO PROVIDED FOR SAMPLE MOTIONS AND THE RULES OF
02:37:37PM PROCEDURE IN ORDER TO CONDUCT THE HEARING THIS AFTERNOON.
02:37:40PM ACCORDING TO CODE SECTION 27-61 SUBSECTION J 3.
02:37:46PM CITY COUNCIL HAS A DE NOVO STANDARD OF REVIEW WHICH MEANS
02:37:51PM THAT THE REVIEW SHALL NOT BE LIMITED TO THAT INFORMATION
02:37:54PM DOCUMENTATION OR EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT
02:38:02PM WAS BASED.
02:38:02PM CITY COUNCIL MAY GET NEW EVIDENCE.
02:38:05PM LAURA MARLEY IS HERE TO GIVE A OVERVIEW OF THE PRESENTATION
02:38:10PM AND THE STAFF'S DECISION.
02:38:12PM UPON HEARING THE IN EVIDENCE EVIDENCE IN THE CASE, CITY
02:38:17PM COUNCIL CAN TAKE TWO ACTIONS.
02:38:20PM CONFIRM THE DECISION BY STAFF AND AT THE ANY.
02:38:24PM OR CITY COUNCIL CAN OVERTURN THE DECISION AND THE GRANT TO
02:38:29PM HAVE THE APPLICATION FOR THE ACCESSORY DWELLING.
02:38:34PM IF CITY COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'M HERE.
02:38:37PM IF NOT, I WILL ASK MISS MARLEY TO GIVE THE PRESENTATION.
02:38:40PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, LAURA MARLEY, LAND DEVELOPMENT
02:38:46PM COORDINATION.
02:38:46PM MAY I SHARE MY SCREEN.
02:38:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
02:38:49PM MISS MARLEY, YOU NEED TO BE SWORN IN PLEASE.
02:38:53PM >> I SWORE IN WITH THE VRB CASE.
02:38:57PM BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO DO IT AGAIN, I WILL.
02:39:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE WILL TAKE WHY YOU ARE WORD SHELBY SHE
02:39:04PM WILL IF WE CAN -- I DON'T BELIEVE SHE WAS ON SCREEN -- SHE
02:39:07PM WAS ON SCREEN?
02:39:08PM OKAY.
02:39:08PM A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS IF THERE ARE
02:39:12PM ANY INTO THE RECORD.
02:39:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
02:39:16PM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:39:18PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
02:39:20PM OPPOSED?
02:39:21PM MOTION PASSES HE WASN'T SWORN IN?
02:39:30PM THIS GENTLEMAN OVER HERE.
02:39:32PM HAVE YOU NOT BEEN SWORN IN?
02:39:34PM >> NO.
02:39:47PM [SWEARING IN]
02:39:50PM >> COUNCIL, DO YOU SEE MY POWERPOINT?
02:40:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, MA'AM.
02:40:02PM >> OKAY.
02:40:03PM THIS IS A PETITION FOR APPEAL.
02:40:08PM THE PETITIONER AND PROPERTY OWNER JAMES EARL JONES JR.
02:40:14PM ZONING IS SEMINOLE HEIGHTS SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
02:40:18PM THE SPECIAL USE ASK IS FOR AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
02:40:23PM THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY AND OUTLINED IN RED.
02:40:30PM THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED.
02:40:33PM THIS IS THE SURVEY THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED.
02:40:37PM AND THIS IS THE EXISTING ACCESSORY.
02:40:42PM YOU CAN SEE THE SETBACKS ARE 3.9, 2.2 AND HERE IS 2.
02:40:50PM THE CODE REQUIREMENTS ARE, A, IT NEEDS TO BE A MAXIMUM OF
02:40:56PM 950 SQUARE FEET OF LIVING SPACE.
02:40:58PM B, IT IS ONLY APPROVED WHEN THE MAIN RESIDENCE IS
02:41:02PM OWNER-OCCUPIED.
02:41:03PM C, THAT IT MAY BE OCCUPIED IN A CONFORMING STRUCTURE AND MAY
02:41:08PM NOT BE OCCUPIED IN A NONCONFORMING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
02:41:12PM D, NO TIME THE NUMBER OF APPLICANTS MAY BE MORE THAN TOO,
02:41:18PM AND E, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WILL BE REVIEWED AN ANNUALLY
02:41:23PM BY STAFF.
02:41:23PM THE REASON FOR DENIAL IS THE PROPOSED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE
02:41:28PM WILL BE EXISTING AND DOESN'T MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIRED
02:41:32PM SETBACKS AS REQUIRED BY CODE.
02:41:33PM SO IT IS CONSIDERED NONCONFORMING.
02:41:35PM A STREET SIDE SETBACK OF THREE FEET IS REQUIRED.
02:41:39PM THE EXISTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE
02:41:42PM SIDE STREET SETBACK REQUIREMENT AND REQUEST THAT A TWO-FOOT
02:41:46PM SETBACK FOR THE SIDE STREET SETBACK.
02:41:48PM AND GOING BACK TO THE -- TO THE SITE PLAN, THE APPLICANT IS
02:41:52PM ALSO ASKING TO WAIVE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND YOU CAN NOT
02:41:58PM WAIVE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SPECIAL USE APPLICATION.
02:42:01PM THAT IS THE END OF MY PRESENTATION.
02:42:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PETITIONER?
02:42:30PM >> FIRST TIME HERE SO VERY NERVOUS OBVIOUSLY.
02:42:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: TAKE YOUR TIME.
02:42:35PM TAKE YOUR TIME.
02:42:36PM >> LET'S SEE.
02:42:41PM OKAY.
02:42:41PM MY NAME IS JAMES EARL JONES JR. AND I LIVE AT 801 EAST EMMA
02:42:52PM STREET IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
02:42:53PM I BROUGHT THE HOUSE IN 2011 AND SET UP AS A RENTAL PROPERTY.
02:42:58PM TWO IN THE HOUSE AND TWO IN THE GARAGE.
02:42:59PM THE HOUSE IS CURRENTLY MY HOME.
02:43:02PM NO RENTERS OF COURSE.
02:43:04PM AND I HAD TO PEAR APART THE RENTALS AND THE GARAGE PER THE
02:43:08PM AGREEMENT OF BUYING THE HOUSE.
02:43:10PM BUT THE PLAN WAS TO POSSIBLY DO RENTAL IN THE FUTURE WHICH
02:43:14PM IS WHERE WE ARE AT NOW.
02:43:15PM THE BOTTOM FLOOR IS A GARAGE ONLY FOR THAT PURPOSE.
02:43:19PM I AM TRYING TO GET THE UPSTAIRS FLOOR SET UP AS AN
02:43:23PM APARTMENT.
02:43:23PM THE ZONING OFFICE SAID I COULD DO MY SPECIAL USE 1 BECAUSE A
02:43:27PM FEW THINGS YOU GUYS APPROVE HERE VERSUS THEIR OFFICE.
02:43:30PM THE FIRST ONE WAS THE PARKING.
02:43:34PM WHAT I AM REQUESTING IS A VARIANCE FOR THE DISTANCE NEEDED.
02:43:38PM THERE IS CURRENTLY -- THE RULES ARE 16 X 18.
02:43:43PM AND I HAVE 19 X 18 AND ADDITIONAL 9 FOOT 6 IS CITY PROPERTY
02:43:50PM AND VARIANCE TO USE IT AS MY PARKING.
02:43:52PM PAUSE YOU WILL SEE WHAT I HAVE.
02:43:54PM THIS IS WHERE MY CAR IS AT HERE.
02:43:58PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: CAN YOU ZOOM OUT.
02:43:59PM >> THE FRONT OF THE GARAGE.
02:44:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ZOOM OUT FOR US, PLEASE.
02:44:03PM >> SORRY.
02:44:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
02:44:07PM >> I HAVE DIFFERENT EXAMPLES OF GARAGES AROUND THE CITY OF
02:44:19PM SEMINOLE HEIGHTS THAT USE THE SEAM CONCEPT.
02:44:21PM MOST EXTEND INTO THE CITY PROPERTY.
02:44:23PM I ASSUME THEY WERE AUTHORIZED AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
02:44:27PM YOU ARE REMEMBER WITH SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND HYDE PARK WITH
02:44:30PM THE SAME TYPE OF GARAGE APARTMENTS.
02:44:31PM AND WE HAVE.
02:44:37PM THERE IS THAT OFFICIALS THING THERE.
02:44:39PM SECOND ONE IS THE STREET SIDE BOUNDARY SETBACK.
02:44:42PM THE REQUIREMENT THREE FOOT IN ALL SIDES, AND I AM NOT SURE
02:44:47PM WHAT THEY SAW IN THE BLUEPRINT THAT SHOWED TWO FEET, BUT YOU
02:44:51PM CAN SEE ON THE ORIGINAL PICTURE I PUT ON THIS -- SORRY, THAT
02:44:55PM THE FENCE LINE IS PRETTY MUCH WHERE MY PROPERTY IS AND MUCH
02:45:02PM MORE THAN TWO FEET OFF THE STREET.
02:45:04PM I AM NOT SURE IF THE TWO FEET WILL HAD BEEN ON THE
02:45:08PM BLUEPRINT, BUT THIS IS THE SIDE I WAS TOLD WAS THE ISSUE AND
02:45:11PM THERE IS ACTUALLY -- I THINK I HAD THE OVERHANG ALONE IN THE
02:45:17PM GARAGE IS 13 FEET OFF THE STREET.
02:45:19PM AND THE ACTUAL -- THE WALL UNDERNEATH IS 18 FEET.
02:45:23PM PLENTY OF ROOM.
02:45:25PM I GUESS I AM NOT SURE WHAT THE TWO FOOT MEANS IN THE
02:45:29PM BLUEPRINT AND UNABLE TO FIND ANY KIND OF ANSWER FOR THAT AS
02:45:32PM FAR AS THAT GOES.
02:45:33PM THE LAST WAS THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING.
02:45:35PM AGAIN, NOT SURE WHAT THAT WAS.
02:45:37PM I THINK IT IS -- TODAY'S CURRENT STANDARDS REQUIRE
02:45:40PM SOMETHING.
02:45:41PM AND THE BUILDING ITSELF IS 15-FOOT SIX INCHES TO THE WALL
02:45:48PM HEIGHT.
02:45:49PM THE ROOF HEIGHT WAS 20 FOOT.
02:45:51PM I SUBMITTED IT TO ORIGINALLY AND THEY ASSUMED THE WHOLE
02:45:55PM BUILDING WAS 20 FOOT TALL.
02:45:58PM BASED NO ONE SAW THE GARAGE OR MEASURED IT THEMSELVES AND
02:46:05PM THEY DECLINED ME WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE OTHER SECTIONS OF
02:46:09PM IT AS WELL.
02:46:09PM BUT, YEAH, PRETTY MUCH IT AS FAR AS THE THREE THINGS -- MY
02:46:15PM UNDERSTANDING WERE THE ISSUES THEY HAD WITH DENYING ME.
02:46:17PM THAT'S IT FOR MINE.
02:46:31PM THANK YOU.
02:46:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:46:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS DOES NOT LOOK LIKE A NEW ACCESSORY
02:46:38PM STRUCTURE.
02:46:38PM HOW OLD?
02:46:40PM >> BUILT IN THE 1920s.
02:46:41PM HOUSE IN 1913 AND THE GARAGE IN THE 1920s.
02:46:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IF I AM CORRECT FROM THE VISUAL WE HAD, YOUR
02:46:50PM NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR -- YOU ARE ON TALIAFERRO --
02:46:54PM >> THE GARAGE FACED TALIAFERRO.
02:46:58PM MY HOUSE FACES EMMA.
02:46:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NEXT TO TALIAFERRO IS THE INTERSTATE.
02:47:03PM >> YES.
02:47:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU DON'T HAVE ANYONE ACROSS FROM YOU?
02:47:07PM >> NO.
02:47:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER?
02:47:13PM ARE YOU FINISHED WITH YOUR PRESENTATION, SIR?
02:47:16PM >> YES.
02:47:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
02:47:17PM ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS CASE?
02:47:21PM ANYONE IN CHAMBERS?
02:47:22PM ANYONE ONLINE?
02:47:27PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE WITH THE
02:47:28PM LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
02:47:29PM IF I CAN JUST PLEASE HAVE MISS MARLEY EXPLAIN THE STAFF'S
02:47:34PM DECISION REGARDING THE TWO-FOOT SETBACK AND HOW IT WAS
02:47:38PM DENIED BASED UPON THE TWO-FOOT SETBACK.
02:47:42PM AND, AGAIN, VERIFY -- CONFIRM ABOUT THE PARKING INFORMATION.
02:47:47PM >> IF I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN AGAIN, PLEASE.
02:48:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, MA'AM.
02:48:01PM OKAY, CAN YOU SEE THE SURVEY ON THE SCREEN IN.
02:48:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, MA'AM.
02:48:17PM HERE IS THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND HERE IS THE TWO FOOT
02:48:22PM FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
02:48:23PM IF YOU CAN SEE, I -- I BELIEVE THIS IS WHERE THE FENCE IS
02:48:26PM EXISTING.
02:48:27PM IT IS OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
02:48:29PM IT IS IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
02:48:31PM SO THIS PART -- THIS IS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OF HERE.
02:48:35PM AND THIS PORTION FROM THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO THE
02:48:39PM PROPERTY LINE IS TWO FEET.
02:48:40PM THE CORNER IS 2.2 FEET.
02:48:44PM AND ON THIS SIDE, IT IS 3.7.
02:48:47PM ON THIS SEED 3.9.
02:48:49PM THEY ARE NEEDING IT ON THIS SIDE THAT IS NOT ON THIS SIDE.
02:48:54PM AND THE MEMO THAT WE RECEIVED FROM TRANSPORTATION, THERE IS
02:49:01PM TWO PARKING SPACES REQUIRED.
02:49:03PM AND THERE ARE NOT TWO PARKING SPACES ON THIS SITE.
02:49:07PM SO IT CAN NOT BE WAIVED WITH A SPECIAL USE APPLICATION.
02:49:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF IN.
02:49:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO CLOSE --
02:49:22PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: HE IS ENTITLED TO A REBUTTAL.
02:49:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
02:49:26PM DO YOU HAVE A REBUTTAL, SIR?
02:49:30PM >> LIKE I SAID THE TWO FOOT FROM THE GARAGE -- AGAIN, YOU
02:49:32PM CAN SEE IT.
02:49:33PM FARTHER BACK THAN TWO FOOT OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
02:49:36PM BUT -- I GUESS I HAVE TO HAVE A NEW PAPER SAYING THAT PART.
02:49:41PM BECAUSE LIKE I SAID THE TWO FOOT THAT I SEE IS ON THE OTHER
02:49:44PM SEED OF THE -- OF THE LINE -- IT IS NOT SHOWING TWO FOOT
02:49:47PM FROM THE GARAGE OR PROPERTY LINE.
02:49:49PM THAT IS ACTUALLY A NINE-FOOT SPAN OF SPACE, BUT -- YOU KNOW,
02:49:54PM IT IS NOT SHOWING ON HERE.
02:49:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DO YOU WANT TOP PUT THAT ON THE OVERHEAD
02:49:59PM AND POINT THAT OUT TO COUNCIL.
02:50:01PM >> THIS IS THE SAME BLUEPRINT SHE HAD FOR YOU.
02:50:04PM I DREW THE OUTLINE OF THE PROPERTY.
02:50:06PM MEASUREMENTS THAT I MADE.
02:50:08PM THE FRONT WALL HERE IS FIVE FOOT BEHIND THE OVERHANG.
02:50:11PM AND FROM THE WALL TO MY PROPERTY LINE IS ACTUALLY NINE FEET.
02:50:16PM IT IS JUST -- I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN HERE
02:50:19PM AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THAT TWO FOOT -- THE TWO FOOT IN
02:50:24PM FRONT OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
02:50:25PM I GUESS THE FENCE SPACE --
02:50:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT ARE YOU REFERRING TO, SIR?
02:50:33PM IF YOU CAN PUT THAT ON THE OVERHEAD.
02:50:35PM >> I WAS POINTING TO -- THEY HAVE -- THERE WE GO.
02:50:47PM YEAH, YOU WILL SEE -- LIKE I SAID, AGAIN, THE VERY FRONT
02:50:53PM WALL OF THE GARAGE IS RIGHT HERE.
02:50:55PM AND IT SHOWS LESS OF A 5'5" OVERHANG.
02:51:00PM THE VERY MINIMUM, THE WALL ON THE GROUND, THE FIRST FLOOR IS
02:51:04PM 5'5" AWAY FROM THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, BUT OVERALL
02:51:09PM ADDITIONAL FOUR FOOT -- NINE FOOT TOTAL TO MY PROPERTY
02:51:14PM MARKER.
02:51:14PM BECAUSE AS I SAID, 5.5.
02:51:20PM OBVIOUSLY THE DOOR FOR THE FIRST FLOOR BUT BEHIND THAT 5.5
02:51:25PM FEET.
02:51:25PM SO IT HAS TO BE THE BOTTOM FLOOR IS OVER TWO FOOT AWAY FROM
02:51:30PM THE PROPERTY SETBACK.
02:51:37PM BECAUSE JUST THE DRAWING ALONE WHERE THE PROPERTY IS
02:51:47PM SUPPOSED TO BE AND THE OVERHEAD IS BEHIND THAT.
02:51:50PM AND THEN 5'5" INCHES IS MEASURED THIS AND MUST BE MORE THAN
02:51:56PM TWO FOOT.
02:51:57PM I AM NOT SURE WHAT THE TWO FOOT ON THE SIDE OF THE TWO FOOT
02:52:04PM FOR.
02:52:04PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN.
02:52:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
02:52:18PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. COTTON, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH WHAT HE
02:52:22PM IS TALKING ABOUT?
02:52:23PM >>ERIC COTTON: JUST TO CLARIFY, THESE ARE THE POINTS OF THE PROPERTY.
02:52:25PM THE POINTS OF THE PROPERTY ARE HERE AND THERE.
02:52:28PM THAT IS THE PROPERTY LINE.
02:52:29PM SO UNDER -- ERIC COTTON, CITY OF TAMPA ZONING OFFICE.
02:52:34PM UNDER CHAPTER 27, ANYTHING ABOVE THREE FEET IN HEIGHT HAVE
02:52:38PM TO MEET SETBACKS.
02:52:39PM SO THE SETBACK HAS TO BE THREE FEET FROM THAT POINT TO THE
02:52:42PM CLOSEST PORTION THAT IS ABOVE 36 INCHES.
02:52:45PM THAT IS THAT MEASUREMENT THAT IS BEING REFLECTED ON HERE.
02:52:48PM THAT THE BASIS FROM THE DENIAL FROM STAFF THE REQUIRED
02:52:52PM SETBACK IS THREE FEET AND A NONCONFORMING STRUCTURE.
02:52:56PM THE DISTANCE FROM THAT PROPERTY LINE BACK TO THE CLOSEST
02:53:00PM PORTION IS TWO FEET.
02:53:01PM THAT IS WHAT THAT SAYS RIGHT THERE IF YOU CAN READ IT.
02:53:05PM SAYS TWO FEET.
02:53:06PM THAT IS THE BASIS FOR OUR DENIAL FROM STAFF.
02:53:09PM HAD IT BEEN A THREE FEET, WOULD HAVE BEEN APPROVABLE OUTSIDE
02:53:13PM OF OTHER ISSUES HE WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH WITH PERMITTING.
02:53:17PM THE BASIS OF WHY HE IS IN FRONT OF COUNCIL.
02:53:21PM THE STRUCTURE IS NONCONFORMING.
02:53:25PM ONLY WAY TO MAKE IT FOR APPROVAL IS TO GO BEFORE CITY
02:53:30PM COUNCIL FOR PETITION FOR REVIEW.
02:53:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:53:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MR. COTTON.
02:53:37PM >>ERIC COTTON: YES, MA'AM.
02:53:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MY UNDERSTANDING THIS WITH AS BUILT IN 1920,
02:53:43PM THEREFORE, THIS WAS BEFORE SETBACK RULES?
02:53:46PM >>ERIC COTTON: YES, MA'AM.
02:53:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO CLOSE.
02:53:48PM >> SECOND.
02:53:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
02:53:54PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
02:53:55PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
02:53:57PM ANY OPPOSED.
02:53:58PM MOTION PASSES.
02:53:59PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
02:54:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:54:04PM WE WERE HOPING YOU WERE THE OTHER JAMES EARL JONES.
02:54:08PM >> I HAVE BEEN ASKED THAT SO MUCH MANISCALCO MAINE LOOKED AT
02:54:11PM HIM.
02:54:11PM HE LOOKED AT ME.
02:54:12PM DARTH VADER.
02:54:14PM >> MY WHOLE LIFE.
02:54:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS WILL NOT HAVE ANY BASIS OR EFFECT
02:54:19PM ON MY DECISION.
02:54:20PM >> TUESDAY WAS STAR WARS NIGHT AT THE ARENA WHERE WE WORK.
02:54:23PM I KEPT HEARING IT ALL NIGHT LONG.
02:54:25PM YEAH, I KNOW.
02:54:26PM YEAH.
02:54:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO I -- I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION NO
02:54:30PM OVERTURN THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DENIAL.
02:54:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
02:54:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE PROPERTY LOCATED 801 EAST EMMA
02:54:44PM STREET THAT THE PETITIONER HAS PROPOSED AND THE GENERAL
02:54:48PM STANDARDS IN 27-129 SHOULD BE WAIVED FOR THE FOLLOWING
02:54:51PM REASONS.
02:54:53PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK BROUGHT UP WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK.
02:54:56PM AND I WILL INCLUDE HERE THIS STRUCTURE IS OVER 100 YEARS OLD
02:55:01PM OR 100 YEARS OLD AND PREDATES A LOT OF THE CURRENT RULES AND
02:55:05PM REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE; THEREFORE, UNDER THAT ALONE WILL
02:55:14PM DESERVE THE BASIS TO OVERTURN THE DENIAL AND APPROVE YOUR
02:55:18PM REQUEST.
02:55:18PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND.
02:55:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
02:55:22PM AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
02:55:24PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSS IN ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:55:29PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
02:55:30PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
02:55:32PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
02:55:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
02:55:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
02:55:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
02:55:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
02:55:38PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
02:55:41PM >> THANK YOU.
02:55:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOW WE HAVE STAFF HERE, BACK TO AGENDA ITEM
02:55:55PM NUMBER 5 AGENDA NUMBER D 23-79622.
02:56:06PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MIKE PERRY, REVENUE FINANCE.
02:56:09PM BEFORE YOU IS -- STAFF IS ASKING YOU TO APPROVE A GRANT
02:56:13PM AGREEMENT WITH THE STATE OF FLORIDA TO ACCEPT REIMBURSEMENT
02:56:17PM FUNDS FOR HURRICANE IAN WHEN THEY BECOME AVAILABLE.
02:56:20PM WE HAD ALREADY GAVE CITY COUNCIL SIX PERIODICAL UPDATES.
02:56:25PM WE SPENT APPROXIMATELY $10.5 MILLION SO FAR.
02:56:30PM STAFF REPORT PROVIDES ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
02:56:33PM MORE THAN LIKELY WE WILL RECEIVE THE FUNDING FROM FEMA OVER
02:56:39PM THE NEXT TWO FISCAL YEARS.
02:56:40PM IN THE MEANTIME, FUNDING HAS BEEN PROVIDED FOR THE CITY
02:56:45PM COUNCIL FOR EMERGENCY RESERVES AND FUTURE FUNDING AGREEMENT
02:56:51PM AND EVERYTHING ON TRACK AND EVERYTHING IN STEP FOR HURRICANE
02:56:55PM IAN REIMBURSEMENT.
02:56:57PM ALL I HAVE, STIR.
02:56:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:56:59PM THE CHAIRMAN STEPPED UP REAL QUICK.
02:57:01PM I -- AS YOU HAVE MENTIONED ALREADY, THIS HAS BEEN PRESENTED
02:57:05PM IN FRONT OF COUNCIL VARIOUS TIMES BY MR. RO GERO THE FUNDING
02:57:12PM AND HOW IT IS SPENT AND REIMBURSED.
02:57:14PM I THINK THIS IS JUST A FORMALITY.
02:57:16PM ANY QUELLS FROM COUNCILMEMBERS?
02:57:19PM WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
02:57:21PM AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA TO MOVE THIS RESOLUTION.
02:57:25PM ALL IN FAVOR.
02:57:26PM OPPOSED?
02:57:27PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:57:29PM >> THANK YOU, HAVE A GOOD EVENING.
02:57:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU AS WELL.
02:57:33PM ITEM NUMBER 6, WE HAVE MR. WASHINGTON.
02:57:37PM IS MR. WASHINGTON ON THE LINE.
02:57:40PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON: YES, SIR, CAN YOU SEE ME?
02:57:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, GO AHEAD.
02:57:45PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON: LARRY WASHINGTON TO DISCUSS ITEM NUMBER 6
02:57:58PM A MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK REGARDING HOLIDAY PICKUPS.
02:58:01PM INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED.
02:58:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS, THIS MOTION WAS MADE BY
02:58:07PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:58:07PM YES, MA'AM.
02:58:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE READ THE REPORT AND I FUNDAMENTALLY
02:58:12PM DISAGREE WITH IT.
02:58:15PM I BELIEVE IT SAYS THERE ARE NO INCONSISTENCIES.
02:58:19PM WHEN YOU HAVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO MISS THREE PICKUPS ON
02:58:22PM ONE WAY FOUR TIMES A YEAR, THAT IS INCONSISTENT FOLKS THAT
02:58:30PM HAVE A MONDAY PICKUP MISS THEIR GARBAGE AND RECYCLING AND
02:58:34PM YARD TRASH.
02:58:36PM LAST TIME IT WAS SIX TIMES A YEAR.
02:58:38PM SO I -- WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE ON THIS, BUT WHAT I WANTED
02:58:44PM TO DO.
02:58:44PM WHAT I ASKED IN WASHINGTON TO DO DURING MY PREMEETING AND
02:58:47PM WOULD LIKE HIM TO DO -- I CAN MAKE A MOTION -- FOR HIM TO
02:58:53PM COME BACK WITH US WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING ABOUT THIS.
02:58:57PM THE ONLY PLACE I EVER LIVED THAT HAD THIS ISSUE.
02:59:00PM AND I CONTINUE TO GET IT FROM CONSTITUENTS.
02:59:03PM SO I WOULD ASK THAT MR. WASHINGTON COME BACK TO US.
02:59:08PM WHAT KIND OF TIME FRAME DO YOU NEED?
02:59:12PM >> MA'AM, BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, CAN I OFFER ADDITIONAL
02:59:16PM INFORMATION AS WELL?
02:59:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE, GO RIGHT AHEAD.
02:59:20PM >> YES, SIR.
02:59:21PM SO THIS IS RESEARCH AFTER SPEAKING TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AS
02:59:25PM WELL.
02:59:25PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, THEY DO THE SAME THING YOU SAY -- THE
02:59:28PM SAME EXACT THING WE PROVIDE.
02:59:30PM OUR HOLIDAY COLLECTION IN THE MANNER THAT WE DO.
02:59:33PM IT IS ON THE WEB SITE AS WELL.
02:59:34PM IT MARRIES EACH OTHER.
02:59:36PM ST. PETE.
02:59:37PM ST. PETE, INDEED, THEY PROVIDE THE DAY AFTER SERVICE.
02:59:40PM AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE, I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN SO YOU CAN SEE
02:59:44PM THE SURFACE BOUNDARIES AND WHATNOT.
02:59:47PM WONDERFUL.
02:59:50PM LET ME KNOW WHEN IT SHOWS.
03:00:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THERE IS THERE.
03:00:03PM >> YOU SEE THE RESIDENTIAL SERVICE SCHEDULE?
03:00:06PM THAT IS CALLED THE GREAT DIVIDER.
03:00:08PM THE GREAT DIVIDER FOR US IS COLUMBUS DRIVE.
03:00:11PM NORTH OF COLUMBUS DRIVE MONDAY, THURSDAY SERVICE.
03:00:16PM SOUTH OF COLUMBUS DRIVE, TUESDAY AND FRIDAY SERVICE AND THAT
03:00:22PM IS WITH REGARDS TO GARBAGE COLLECTION.
03:00:25PM ST. PETE, TWO DAYS OF COLLECTION FOR BARGAIN BUT THEY DO NOT
03:00:29PM HAVE YARD WASTE OR DROP-OFF CENTERS.
03:00:32PM IN ADDITION THEY HAVE BIWEEKLY RECYCLING.
03:00:38PM HERE IN TAMPA BIWEEKLY RECYCLING AND WEEKLY YARD WASTE.
03:00:42PM THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US AND THEM.
03:00:44PM OUR POPULATION, WE ARE -- WE ARE, I BELIEVE, OVER 120,000
03:00:50PM OVER THEIR POPULATION.
03:00:51PM LET'S SEE -- WE ARE OVER 400,000.
03:00:56PM THEY ARE UPWARDS OF 300,000 AS FAR AS THEIR POPULATION IN
03:01:01PM COMPARISON TO OURS.
03:01:02PM SO I KNOW A STUDY WAS REQUESTED AND WE DID OTHER RESEARCH
03:01:09PM AND BROUGHT FORWARD IN 2009, MOVED FORWARD BY COUNCIL IN
03:01:14PM 2010 BY THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION AND ADDRESSED AGAIN BY
03:01:17PM -- BY -- LET'S SEE, MR. -- MR. WILFORK, MY PREDECESSOR, WITH
03:01:24PM A MEMO PRESENTED BY HIM TO COUNCIL AND IT WAS ACCEPTED AS
03:01:31PM WELL.
03:01:31PM MEMO I PROVIDED I SHOWED THE COST FOR THE DAY AFTER SERVICE
03:01:42PM CITIES LIKE MIAMI, ORLANDO AND CLEARWATER THAT THEY HAVE SERVICE
03:01:47PM ON THE HOLIDAYS.
03:01:48PM WE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, WE VALUE OUR EMPLOYEES AND WANT TO
03:01:53PM FOCUS ON WORK-LIFE BALANCE AND WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR
03:01:56PM EMPLOYEES HAVE THE DAY OFF AND THE UNION, IN ADDITION, THEY
03:02:02PM CHAMPIONED THIS EMPLOYMENT.
03:02:04PM I SPOKE TO MR. STEVE SIMON, EXCUSE ME -- MR. STEVE SIMON AND
03:02:10PM HE READ THE MEMO AND APPROVED OF THE MEMO BECAUSE GIVE OUR
03:02:14PM CUSTOMERS THE ABILITY TO NOT HAVE INCREASED RATES.
03:02:16PM BECAUSE IF WE DO GO FORWARD AND -- MOVE FORWARD WITH A
03:02:20PM CHANGE IN OUR SCHEDULES, THEN THAT COST WILL INCUR AND
03:02:24PM UPWARDS OF $65,000.
03:02:26PM AND UNFORTUNATELY, WE WILL HAVE TO PASS IT OFF TO THE
03:02:30PM PUBLIC.
03:02:31PM I WANT TO BRING THOSE POINTS FORWARD.
03:02:33PM IN ADDITION, LASTLY, IF WE WERE TO CHANGE THE SCHEDULE, WE
03:02:37PM WOULD DECREASE OUR WORK-LIFE BALANCE AND INCREASE
03:02:41PM ADMISSIONS.
03:02:41PM INCREASE TRAFFIC CONGESTION.
03:02:43PM INCREASE OT, OVERTIME, INCREASE NOISE POLLUTION.
03:02:48PM AND LASTLY INCREASE VEHICLE AND EQUIPMENT EXPENSE.
03:02:51PM I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT AS WELL BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH
03:02:55PM MAKING AN ADDITIONAL MOTION.
03:02:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU FOR THAT THEN.
03:02:58PM MAYBE WE THEN NEED TO TALK OF A COST REDUCTION FOR THOSE
03:03:02PM FOLKS WHO ARE MISSING SERVICES.
03:03:03PM I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY FAIR, GIVEN IF WE CAN FIEND -- IF
03:03:10PM YOU CAN LET US KNOW.
03:03:11PM I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO COME BACK WITH WHAT THAT COSTS A
03:03:18PM CUSTOMER FOR A DAY TO GET RECYCLING AND YARD WASTE PICKED
03:03:22PM UP.
03:03:22PM BECAUSE I FEEL PRETTY STRONGLY.
03:03:24PM IT IS FINE.
03:03:25PM IF IT IS A THURSDAY, A FRIDAY.
03:03:27PM BUT THOSE PEOPLE ON MONDAY EVERY YEAR GET AT LEAST THREE
03:03:31PM DAYS.
03:03:31PM SO THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE TO PAY WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE PAYS
03:03:34PM BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT GETTING THE SEAM LEVEL OF SERVICE.
03:03:37PM AND THAT IS FINE.
03:03:39PM I APPRECIATE THE BALANCE -- THE WORK-LIFE BALANCE.
03:03:42PM I THINK THAT IS ANOTHER WAY WE CAN GO ABOUT IT IS TO SIMPLY
03:03:47PM REDUCE THEIR GARBAGE RATE.
03:03:50PM >> UNDERSTOOD.
03:03:52PM I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ONE MORE THING.
03:03:54PM WHENEVER WE MOVE FORWARD WITH A HOLIDAY AND PROVIDE SERVICE
03:03:58PM THE FOLLOWING SERVICE DAY.
03:03:59PM FOR EXAMPLE, ON MONDAY, WE HAVE DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.
03:04:03PM DAY.
03:04:04PM PROVIDE SERVICE ON THAT FOLLOWING THURSDAY.
03:04:06PM SO AS FAR AS GARBAGE DAY IS COLLECTED.
03:04:10PM THE SAME VOLUME IS COLLECTED.
03:04:13PM NO ONE OUTSOURCES A POTENTIAL VENDOR TO COME AND COLLECT IT
03:04:17PM AND TAKE IT TO A DISPOSABLE FACILITY.
03:04:20PM WE PROVIDE THE SAME VALUE OF COLLECTION.
03:04:23PM GARBAGE, RECYCLING AND YARD WASTE, THE FOLLOWING SERVICE DAY
03:04:27PM OR THE SERVICE DAY AFTER THAT, WE STILL COLLECT IT.
03:04:30PM BUT I AM SURE WE CAN PROVIDE THAT STUDY.
03:04:35PM IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND GIVING ME SIX MONTHS TO MAKE SURE I CAN
03:04:38PM GET EVERYTHING DONE AND MAKE SURE IT IS VERY DETAILED AS
03:04:42PM WELL.
03:04:42PM WE WILL COVER WHAT YOU INITIALLY ASKED FOR AND WHAT YOU
03:04:45PM CURRENTLY ASKED FOR AND HAVE ROBUST STUDY THAT COVERS FROM
03:04:51PM TOP TO BOLE BOTTOM AND WE WILL HAVE TO OUTSOURCE.
03:04:54PM SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS WOULD GIVE ME A TIME.
03:04:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM NOT INTERESTED IN AN OUTSOURCE STUDY.
03:05:01PM I WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO DO THAT BASIC STUFF.
03:05:04PM I WOULD ARGUE SOMEBODY THAT HAS TO HOLD YARD WASTE AN EXTRA
03:05:10PM WEEK IS INCONVENIENCED.
03:05:11PM WHAT I WILL DO.
03:05:14PM I AM GOING TO REQUEST THAT YOU COME BACK AND LET US KNOW --
03:05:18PM AGAIN, JUST THE COST OF GARBAGE AND RECYCLING AND A YARD
03:05:22PM TRASH PICKUP.
03:05:23PM I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS THE SAME COST FOR EACH, BUT BASICALLY
03:05:27PM WHAT YOU PAY.
03:05:27PM CAN'T YOU JUST DIVIDE THAT BY -- THANK YOU, THE UNIT COST.
03:05:32PM UP WOULD LOVE THE UNIT COST.
03:05:33PM >> OKAY.
03:05:35PM I CAN DO THAT.
03:05:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
03:05:37PM CAN YOU DO THAT WITHIN A MONTH?
03:05:42PM >> CAN YOU GIVE ME TWO, MA'AM, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
03:05:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK: TWO MONTHS?
03:05:46PM SURE, NO PROBLEM.
03:05:47PM >> OKAY, GREAT.
03:05:49PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: QUICKLY, COUNCIL, WE WILL TESTIFY TO THE
03:05:55PM RATES -- MORRIS MASSEY.
03:05:57PM TO THE EXTENT WE ARE BORROWING MONEY FOR THE SOLID WASTE
03:06:01PM SYSTEM.
03:06:01PM THE RATES BACK THAT UP AND WE HAVE TO FACTOR THAT IN.
03:06:04PM IT MAY BE LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED THAN COUNCIL WOULD LIKE.
03:06:08PM I NEED TO CAUTION YOU ALL.
03:06:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT PEOPLE DON'T SEEM TO
03:06:13PM UNDERSTAND WHAT TIME TRYING TO SAY.
03:06:15PM THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT GETTING THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE.
03:06:18PM AND, AGAIN, I HEAR THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN FROM
03:06:23PM CONSTITUENTS THAT THEY ARE PAYING THE SAME RATE AND NOT
03:06:26PM GETTING THE SAME NUMBER OF PICKUPS.
03:06:28PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING,
03:06:31PM COUNCILWOMAN -- COUNCILMEMBER HURTAK.
03:06:33PM I WANT YOU TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE AWARE THERE MAY NEED TO BE A
03:06:37PM FISCAL IMPACT THAT WILL BE EXAMINED AS WELL.
03:06:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK THAT IS OKAY.
03:06:42PM WE ALL SHOULD NOT BE PAYING THE SAME RATE IF WE ARE NOT
03:06:45PM GETTING THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE.
03:06:47PM MAY 4 IS GREAT.
03:06:48PM I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO COME BACK WITH UNIT COSTS ON MAY 4.
03:06:55PM >> YES, MA'AM, THANK YOU.
03:06:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ANY SECOND?
03:06:59PM THAT IS MY MOTION.
03:07:00PM >> SECOND.
03:07:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE YOU FINISHED TALKING?
03:07:04PM CAN I RECOGNIZE COUNCILMAN GUDES?
03:07:06PM THANK YOU.
03:07:06PM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
03:07:08PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. WASHINGTON.
03:07:11PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON: YES, SIR.
03:07:14PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU AND I HAD THE CONVERSATION SEVERAL
03:07:19PM TIMES.
03:07:19PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON: YES, SIR.
03:07:22PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: OTHER PEOPLE GOT IN THE COUNCILWOMAN'S EAR
03:07:26PM ABOUT THIS SAME THING.
03:07:27PM I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THIS MISCOLLECTION -- OR THE SKIPPING
03:07:34PM OF THE DAYS.
03:07:34PM YOUR OWN EMPLOYEES HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY ARE
03:07:37PM CONCERNED THAT THE RESIDENTS AREN'T GETTING EQUAL BALANCE.
03:07:40PM THIS IS FROM YOUR OWN EMPLOYEES.
03:07:42PM I KNOW IT COMES DOWN TO A COST -- I THINK IT IS OVERTIME.
03:07:46PM WHEN MARK WAS HERE -- KING CAME DOWN TO OVERTIME ISSUES AND
03:07:51PM OTHER STUFF, BUT THE COUNCILWOMAN IS RIGHT IN HER POINT.
03:07:56PM A WAY WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TRY TO BALANCE THIS THING
03:08:00PM BECAUSE SHE IS RIGHT.
03:08:00PM EQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION TO ALL OF OUR CITIZENS TO GET THEIR
03:08:04PM TRASH PICKED UP, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR HOLIDAYS
03:08:07PM AND TALK ABOUT THE MISSED DAYS.
03:08:11PM AGAIN, I KNOW TRASH COLLECTION IS VERY IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE.
03:08:14PM YOU KNOW, YOU WOULDN'T THINK THAT, BUT VERY IMPORTANT TO
03:08:19PM PEOPLE.
03:08:19PM I WANT TO ASK YOU -- I AM GOING TO GO ALONG WITH HER MOTION,
03:08:23PM OF COURSE.
03:08:23PM BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN FIND THAT BALANCE.
03:08:26PM AGAIN, WHEN YOUR OWN EMPLOYEES HAVE TALKED TO COUNCILPEOPLE
03:08:33PM ABOUT THIS AND CONSTITUENTS.
03:08:35PM I THINK WE NEED TO RE-EVALUATE WHAT WAS THE PAST IN DOING A
03:08:41PM LOT MORE WITH LESS.
03:08:42PM I GUESS THAT IS WHY IT TURNED TO WHERE -- IT IS TURNED TO
03:08:46PM WHERE WE ARE AT THIS POINT.
03:08:48PM I THINK WE CAN PEEL IT BACK AND SEE HOW WE CAN LEVEL IT OUT
03:08:53PM NOW SO THE PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND HOW THEIR DOLLARS ARE BEING
03:08:56PM SPENT FOR THE COMMUNITIES.
03:08:57PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON: YES.
03:08:59PM UP WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT I TOOK A POLL TWO YEARS PRIOR TO
03:09:03PM SEE HOW OUR INTERNAL TEAM, RESIDENTIAL TEAM FELT OF THE
03:09:09PM HOLIDAYS WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO TO POTENTIALLY BRING IT UP
03:09:13PM TO ADMINISTRATION.
03:09:14PM MOST OF THEM WERE IN FAVOR OF HAVING THOSE DAYS OFF VERSUS
03:09:18PM THE OVERTIME AND WORKING ON THOSE DAYS.
03:09:20PM IT WAS MORE I WENT TO SPEND TIME WITH MY FAMILY GOING MORE
03:09:24PM TOWARD THAT WORK-LIFE BALANCE.
03:09:25PM I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND AND GET THAT STUDY TO YOU.
03:09:28PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: AT THE SAME TOKEN, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE
03:09:33PM FLIPSIDE.
03:09:34PM EMPLOYEE WANTING OFF BECAUSE IT IS A HOLIDAY.
03:09:36PM IF WE ARE MISSING DAYS COUPLE OF DAYS BETWEEN THAT.
03:09:42PM THE RESIDENTS ARE SAYING I AM PAYING FOR SERVICE THAT TIME
03:09:45PM NOT GETTING.
03:09:46PM I GET THAT TOO.
03:09:47PM AGAIN, I GUESS WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN MUCH DO AND
03:09:52PM NOT WHAT WE CAN'T DO.
03:09:53PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON: I UNDERSTAND, SIR.
03:09:54PM I WANT TO MENTION IT WAS EQUITABLE.
03:09:57PM THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE INITIAL REQUEST TO DISCUSS FARCE
03:10:01PM THE NORTH END OF THE CITY.
03:10:03PM VERSUS THE SOUTH END OF THE CITY.
03:10:07PM IT IS EQUITABLE ON BOTH SIDES.
03:10:10PM THOSE HOLIDAYS FLIP FROM TIME TO TIME AS COUNCIL HURTAK
03:10:14PM MENTIONED AND WE STILL PROVIDE THE SAME EXACT SURFACE ABOVE
03:10:18PM AND BEYOND TO COLLECT EVERYTHING THAT IS OUT THERE.
03:10:20PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I GET THAT, BUT THE EAST SIDE SAY THEY ARE
03:10:24PM ALWAYS MISSED ON THE HOLIDAYS.
03:10:26PM I GET WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
03:10:28PM THAT IS NOT WHAT IS HAPPENING.
03:10:32PM I HAIR YOU AND THE EAST SIDE IS GETTING MISSED.
03:10:35PM NOT TOTALLY ACCURATE.
03:10:36PM YOU WANT TO GO WHERE THE HE CAN WITH A TABLE BALANCE BUT NOT
03:10:40PM TOTALLY THE WAY IT IS HAPPENING, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT.
03:10:45PM BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS HELP ME OUT WHEN I NEED YOU.
03:10:49PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON: ANY TIME, SIR.
03:10:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
03:10:52PM GUDES GUDES I AM FINISHED.
03:10:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
03:10:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T NEED GARBAGE PICKUP FOR ABOUT
03:11:01PM THREE MONTHS BECAUSE I LIVE ALONE.
03:11:03PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:11:04PM HAVE A NICE DAY.
03:11:05PM THAT'S ALL.
03:11:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PROGRAM FOR SMALLER
03:11:10PM GARBAGE CAN.
03:11:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOT TRYING TO CUT THE REVENUE.
03:11:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THEY HAVE A REDUCED PROGRAM.
03:11:17PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU GET A $5 DISCOUNT AT THE END OF THE
03:11:21PM MONTH FOR SENIORS.
03:11:22PM ALL SENIORS ARE ENTITLED TO THAT OVER 65 YEARS OF AGE.
03:11:27PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
03:11:28PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ANYBODY OVER 65 IS ENTITLED TO A 5.
03:11:34PM AM I RIGHT, MR. WASHINGTON?
03:11:35PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON: WE GO ABOVE AND BEYOND FOR CERTAIN
03:11:39PM CITIZENS OR RESIDENTS IN OUR CITY AS WELL.
03:11:43PM IF YOU ARE CHALLENGED IN A WAY, WE PROVIDE BACK-DOOR SERVICE
03:11:50PM AND RECEIVE THE SERVICE MERIDIAN MIRANDA THANK YOU VERY
03:11:54PM MUCH, MR. WASHINGTON.
03:11:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION ON FLOOR MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN
03:11:58PM HURTAK.
03:11:58PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:12:00PM ALL IN FAVOR?
03:12:02PM OPPOSED?
03:12:02PM MOTION PASSES.
03:12:03PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, DOES THAT SATISFY THE REPORT?
03:12:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:12:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7, FILE NUMBER E 2023-8
03:12:16PM CHAPTER 27.
03:12:19PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
03:12:21PM WAITING FOR MY PRESENTATION TO COME UP.
03:12:22PM PRESENTATION RELATED TO LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TEXT
03:12:26PM AMENDMENTS.
03:12:32PM OKAY.
03:12:33PM SO AS COUNCIL IS AWARE, WE ARE NOW ONLY ACCEPTING PUBLICLY
03:12:37PM CLOSE INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENTS.
03:12:40PM THEY ARE ORIGINAL 1998ING FROM CITY COUNCIL OR THE ZONING
03:12:44PM ADMINISTRATOR.
03:12:44PM TEXT AMENDMENTS HAVE PAYROLLS SEED IN TWO CYCLES, JANUARY
03:12:48PM AND JULY AND THIS PRESENTATION IS FOCUSED ONLY THE JANUARY
03:12:51PM 2023 AMENDMENT CYCLE.
03:12:52PM IN THIS CYCLE, EIGHT AMENDMENTS PROPOSED BY THE ZONING
03:12:56PM ADMINISTRATOR AND ONE AMENDMENT THAT WAS REQUESTED BY CITY
03:13:00PM COUNCIL.
03:13:00PM WE HAVE MADE SOME ADJUST TO THE SCHEDULE GOING FORWARD AND
03:13:04PM SOME OF THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES TO REFLECT
03:13:08PM REQUESTS MADE FROM CITY LAST CYCLE.
03:13:10PM CURRENTLY WE ARE HERE TO GO OVER THE CONCEPTUAL AMENDMENTS
03:13:14PM WITH YOU.
03:13:14PM AND GET YOUR CONCURRENCE TO MOVE FORWARD INTO PUBLIC
03:13:20PM ENGAGEMENT.
03:13:21PM WE ARE PROPOSING THREE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS FOR THOSE
03:13:25PM NINE AMENDMENTS TEN DEFINITELY MARCH 20, MARCH 21 AND MARCH
03:13:29PM 22 IN THE EVENING.
03:13:30PM AFTER THOSE MEETINGS, WE WILL THEN OPEN UP A FORMAL PUBLIC
03:13:35PM COMMENT PERIOD BY POSTING 9 INFORMATION AND LANGUAGE ONLINE.
03:13:38PM AND.
03:13:39PM APRIL, WE WILL THEN TAKE THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED AND
03:13:42PM TRANSMIT FINAL LANGUAGE BACK TO -- BACK TO COUNCIL AND BE
03:13:47PM AVAILABLE TO PRESENT THE FINAL LANGUAGE 59 THE WORKSHOP IN
03:13:51PM APRIL.
03:13:52PM APRIL 27.
03:13:53PM THE AMENDMENTS THAT COUNCIL DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WILL BE
03:13:58PM TRANSMITTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN THEY WILL GO
03:14:00PM FORWARD TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION BRIEFING, PLANNING
03:14:03PM COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING AND FIRST AND SECOND READING.
03:14:06PM THIS IS JUST A LIST OF THE NINE AMENDMENTS AS WELL AS THE
03:14:10PM ORIGINATOR.
03:14:11PM PACKET HAS A NAME OF EACH PERSON WHO ORIGINATED THE
03:14:14PM AMENDMENT AND CONTACT INFORMATION.
03:14:16PM IF THERE ARE QUELLS FROM THE PUBLIC, THEY CAN REACH OUT
03:14:19PM DIRECTLY TO THAT PERSON, IF THEY WOULD LIKE.
03:14:22PM WE WILL GO THROUGH EACH OF THE AMENDMENTS IN CONCEPT AND ASK
03:14:26PM ERIC COTTON TO PRESENT THE FIRST SIX AMENDMENTS TO YOU IT.
03:14:29PM >>ERIC COTTON: TURN OFF THE SCREEN SO I CAN LOOK AT IT.
03:14:41PM >>BILL CARLSON: DIDN'T THE MAYOR SAY TO VOTE AGAINST THE
03:14:43PM AMENDMENTS?
03:14:45PM SORRY.
03:14:45PM >>ERIC COTTON: GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL, ERIC COTTON, LAND
03:14:58PM DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION.
03:14:58PM THE ONE BEFORE YOU IS THE PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIREMENT.
03:15:01PM IN THE EVENT STAFF IS PROPOSING IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY
03:15:05PM SUCH AS HURRICANE IAN, YOU RECALL, CITY COUNCIL HAD TO
03:15:09PM CONVENE THAT NIGHT TO CANCEL -- TO POSTPONE THE HEARINGS.
03:15:12PM THEY HAD TO OPEN UP THE HEARING TO POSTPONE IT AND CREATE
03:15:15PM LANGUAGE IN THE CODE THAT WOULD ALLOW AN AUTOMATIC
03:15:20PM CONTINUANCE OF THE CASES FOR HAVING COUNCIL TO CONVENE.
03:15:23PM IT WOULD MOVE IT AUTOMATICALLY TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE HEARING
03:15:29PM AND COUNCIL CAN SCHEDULE THE HEARING FOR ANOTHER TEAM OR
03:15:33PM HAVE THEM RESCHEDULE TO RENOTICE.
03:15:37PM THE NEXT ONE -- I DO CONTROL IT OR TO THEY CONTROL IT?
03:15:42PM HERE WE GO.
03:15:44PM THE NEXT REQUEST ON OUR NOTICE LETTERS THERE IS A SPACE
03:15:48PM WHERE YOU PUT IN THE APPLICATION NUMBER.
03:15:49PM IT IS ACTUALLY NOT REQUIRED BY CODE.
03:15:51PM WE HAD APPLICANTS IN THE PAST SAY, WELL, YOU CAN'T SAY ON
03:15:56PM THIS NOTICE BECAUSE NOT REQUIRED BY THE CODE.
03:15:58PM THIS IS A CLEANUP TO REQUIRE THE RECORD NUMBER TO BE PLEASED
03:16:02PM ON THE SIGN AND IN THE LETTER MAILED TO THE PARTICIPATING
03:16:06PM ORGANIZATIONS AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS WITHIN 50 FEET.
03:16:09PM THIS IS A MINOR ONE.
03:16:11PM IN A SENSE IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, THE CODE ACTUALLY SAYS 55
03:16:15PM STORIES FOR THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT, NOT 55 FEET.
03:16:18PM SO THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO CLARIFY 55 FEET.
03:16:26PM AND FENCE REGULATIONS.
03:16:28PM WHEN YOU ARE A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME AND PROPERTY LINE WITH AT
03:16:33PM THAT COMMERCIAL BUSINESS, THE MAXIMUM YOU CAN PUT YOUR FENCE
03:16:35PM UP IS SIX FEET.
03:16:37PM THE COMMERCIAL ADVICE EIGHT FEET BY RIGHT.
03:16:43PM AND NOW IT IS A DESIGN EXCEPTION.
03:16:46PM THIS IS AMENDMENT CODE TO SAY IF I AM RESIDENTIAL NEXT TO A
03:16:50PM COMMERCIAL I CAN HAVE THAT EIGHT FOOT THAT THAT COMMERCIAL
03:16:52PM IS ALLOWED TO HAVE.
03:16:53PM ADAPTIVE REUSE IS ALLOWED IN THE YBOR CITY DISTRICT.
03:17:03PM ADAPTIVE REUSE.
03:17:04PM IF YOU HAVE A HISTORIC BUILDING AND A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE
03:17:07PM IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT CAN BE ON THE LANDMARK LIST LIKE
03:17:12PM YBOR CITY -- LIKE CIGARS OR OLDER BUILDINGS FROM THE 1920s
03:17:16PM THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO PROPOSE A DIFFERENT USE IN.
03:17:18PM AND IT IS ZONED COMMERCIAL, YOU CAN DO THAT USE WITHOUT
03:17:22PM HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE COMPLETE PERMITTING PROCESS TO
03:17:25PM REQUIRE PARKING OR GO THROUGH AND ASK FOR A VARIANCE OR
03:17:30PM DESIGN EXCEPTION AND ALLOWS DO YOU TO DO AN ADAPTIVE REUSE
03:17:36PM WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH OTHER PROCESSES THAT THE CITY
03:17:39PM HAS.
03:17:39PM AGAIN, IT IS ALLOWED RIGHT NOW IN YBOR.
03:17:42PM I RECEIVED AN E-MAIL FROM A LADY THAT WANTS TO DO ONE IN
03:17:48PM EAST TAMPA AND WANTS TO DO A REDAPTIVE REUSE AND I WILL TALK
03:17:55PM TO HER TOMORROW TO NOT GET YOU HAVE TOPIC.
03:17:58PM THE COURTYARD.
03:18:00PM COUNCIL IS FAMILIAR WITH THESE FROM DIFFERENT APPEALS
03:18:04PM HEARINGS.
03:18:05PM THERE IS SPECIFIED USES TALKS ABOUT SEMI-DETACHED HOME AND
03:18:13PM -- SOME ATTACHED TOWN HOME STYLE HOMES THAT THEY HAVE TO
03:18:16PM HAVE -- THEY HAVE TO FACE THE PUBLIC STREET.
03:18:20PM IF THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN GET AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL FROM
03:18:23PM THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR TO DO A COURTYARD CONCEPT.
03:18:27PM SO WE DON'T DEFINE WHAT A COURTYARD IS IN THE CODE.
03:18:31PM OVER THE YEARS, IT HAS MORPHED INTO DIFFERENT THINGS.
03:18:36PM THERE ARE SOME -- THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FOR SEMI
03:18:40PM DETACHED.
03:18:40PM GARAGES ARE FACED FORWARD.
03:18:44PM AND ON THE SITE PLAN, THEY CREATED A WALKWAY AND A
03:18:47PM COURTYARD FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER THAT THEY HAD
03:18:50PM IN THEIR ENTRANCES WERE ON THE SIDE SO THEY CAN MEET --
03:18:53PM ATTEMPT TO GET THE DENSITY IN THE PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR
03:18:56PM THE TWO SINGLE-FAMILY -- SEMI DETACHED HOMES THIS IS AN
03:19:04PM EXAMPLE OF OTHER TYPES OF COURTYARD.
03:19:06PM THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS 'PROVED BY A PD FROM CITY
03:19:10PM COUNCIL.
03:19:10PM AGAIN, IT SHOWS EACH INDIVIDUAL UNIT HAS THEIR OWN PRIVATE
03:19:16PM AREA THAT THEY UTILIZE THAT THEY CALL THEIR OWN.
03:19:18PM DIFFERENTIATES BETWEEN THE PRIVATE REALM AND THE PRIVATE
03:19:27PM PROPERTY.
03:19:28PM AGAIN, THIS YOU CAN SEE THE COURTYARD IS ON THE BACK SIDE OF
03:19:38PM THE PROPERTY.
03:19:39PM THE FRONT ONES HAVE DOORS FACING THE STREET.
03:19:41PM THEY ARE OKAY.
03:19:42PM ON THE BACK SIDE THEY DID THE MAIN THROUGH WITH THE GARAGES
03:19:49PM IN THE REAR LOADING AND THE COURTYARD CONCEPT FOR THE ONES
03:19:53PM THAT DON'T FACE THE STREET.
03:19:55PM AND THIS IS TAMPANIA AND CLEVELAND AND A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT
03:20:03PM AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THE STRUCTURES ARE ORIENTED -- THE FIRST
03:20:08PM SET IS ORIENTED TOWARD CLEVELAND.
03:20:11PM THE END ONES TOWARD TAMPANIA.
03:20:14PM THE REST OF THEM ORIENTED TOWARD A COURTYARD COMPLEX AND THE
03:20:20PM ENTRANCE TO THE GARAGE.
03:20:21PM YOU CAN SEE THE TWO UNITS ON THE END FACING THE STREET AND
03:20:24PM THE OTHER UNITS ON THE INSIDE FACING A COURTYARD CONCEPT.
03:20:31PM SOLID WASTE.
03:20:32PM A PROPOSAL FROM INTEREST SOLID WASTE.
03:20:34PM THEY ARE PROPOSING CHANGES TO 27-288.
03:20:37PM THAT IS MORE FOR THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR BOTH DUMPSTER AND
03:20:48PM ENCLOSURES TO MAKE THEM LARGER FOR THE EQUIPMENT USED TO
03:20:52PM PICK THEM UP SO THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE TRUCKS
03:20:55PM AND SUCH.
03:20:56PM THE WEST SHORE OVERLY DISTRICT.
03:20:59PM SOMEONE FROM WEST SHORE -- THIS WAS INITIATED IN A SENSE BY
03:21:04PM WEST SHORE.
03:21:04PM THEY REACHED OUT TO CITY STAFF TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE
03:21:07PM OVERLAY DISTRICT.
03:21:09PM WESTSHORE OVERLAY DISTRICT TO CREATE WHAT IS BEST FOR WEST
03:21:17PM SHORE.
03:21:17PM THE AMENDMENTS ARE INITIATED -- WEST SHORE ALLIANCE INFORM
03:21:21PM REACHED OUT TO STAFF.
03:21:23PM HE WAS HERE THIS MORNING AND HE IS NOT HERE THIS AFTERNOON
03:21:27PM AND THAT IS WHAT TO HE WAS REQUESTS ARE FOR OF IT AND THE
03:21:32PM NEXT ONE IS THE ALTERNATIVE DESIGN CRITERIA INITIATED BY
03:21:36PM CITY COUNCIL.
03:21:36PM THIS WE DISCUSSED LAST THURSDAY NIGHT.
03:21:39PM THIS WILL IMPLEMENT CHANGES TO THE CODE TO REQUIRE NOTICE
03:21:42PM FOR ALL SPECIAL USES -- FOR ALL DESIGN EXCEPTIONS THAT MIMIC
03:21:48PM LAST THURSDAY AND SECOND READING MARCH 16 IS FOR -- STRICTLY
03:21:52PM FOR SETBACK REQUESTS PROVIDING NOTICE FOR THOSE IF -- JUST
03:21:58PM SO IS COUNCIL KNOWS, EFFORT PAST TWO YEARS WE PROCESSED 600
03:22:02PM DESIGN EXCEPTIONS THAT COME BEFORE YOU.
03:22:04PM IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE THAT YOU COULD HAVE 10% OF THE 60
03:22:10PM APPEALS TO GO BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
03:22:12PM STAFF IS WORKING ON TWO THINGS THAT WILL PROBABLY GO IN THE
03:22:16PM NEXT CYCLE, WHICH WOULD BE A CHANGE TO 27-06, THE CRITERIA
03:22:22PM FOR APPROVAL.
03:22:23PM AND 27-61.
03:22:25PM IF YOU RECALL, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK MADE A MOTION TWO MONTHS
03:22:30PM AGO OR SO, THREE MONTHS AGO, ABOUT APPEALS PROCESSES.
03:22:35PM HOW IT SHOULD WORK OUT.
03:22:37PM WE ARE INVESTIGATING THAT TOO.
03:22:39PM COULD BE THE NEXT CYCLE.
03:22:42PM IF -- IF STAFF CAN RECOMMEND ON THIS ONE LIMITING WHAT WOULD
03:22:46PM BE -- WHAT YOU WILL WANT NOTICE FOR TO -- CRITERIA THAT WILL
03:22:53PM NOT IT SHALL WE PROCESS A LOT OF STUFF AS DESIGN EXCEPTION
03:22:57PM AND THAT THE PROCESS THAT THE CITY HAS SET UP FOR THE ACELA
03:23:02PM SYSTEM.
03:23:02PM AND REDUCTION OF PARKING BY CODE.
03:23:04PM YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO REQUEST UP TO 50% OF YOUR PARKING
03:23:08PM THROUGH -- IF THE FIXTURE WAS BUILT PRIOR TO 1986.
03:23:13PM SHARED PARKING.
03:23:14PM AND HE CAN FOR ROW PARKING FROM A NEIGHBOR IF THEY ARE
03:23:17PM OVERPARKED.
03:23:18PM ALL THOSE WOULD HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF GOING BEFORE
03:23:22PM COUNCIL.
03:23:23PM PLEASURE OF COUNCIL OF WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD.
03:23:28PM AND THE LAST -- THE LAST ONE THAT WE DID NOT ASK AND WITH AS
03:23:36PM NOT IN STEVEN'S MEMO.
03:23:39PM A LITTLE LEEWAY IF IT CAN -- THIS CAME FORWARD PROBABLY --
03:23:47PM THIS WAS.
03:23:53PM COUNCILMAN CITRO AND AMEND THE CODE UNDER THE PARKING
03:23:58PM REQUIREMENTS TO REQUIRE PEOPLE TO BE EV CAPABLE.
03:24:00PM EV CAPABLE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN PLACE WHEN PEOPLE ARE
03:24:04PM READY AND ONE DEVELOPMENT IS READY, THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND
03:24:08PM PUT IN THE CHARGERS UP FRONT DOING THE CONSTRUCTION AND NOT
03:24:12PM TRYING TO RETROFIT SOMETHING.
03:24:14PM TAKE THIS OFF OF THERE I WILL LET THEM TO CONTROL IT IN THE
03:24:25PM BACK BECAUSE I AM NOT DOING WHAT I AM SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.
03:24:29PM COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
03:24:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:24:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK: GO BACK TO 6.
03:24:35PM >>ERIC COTTON: WHICH ONE IS 6, CARPORTS -- COURTYARDS.
03:24:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK: GO BACK ANOTHER LEAD IS OR TWO.
03:24:43PM YEAH, THAT IS A GOOD ONE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO
03:24:47PM DO, BUT THESE ARE AWFUL.
03:24:50PM THESE ARE AWFUL.
03:24:52PM THEY DON'T ENCOURAGE INTERACTION WITH THE STREET.
03:24:56PM THEY CREATE THEIR OWN UP.
03:24:59PM NEIGHBORHOODS INSTEAD OF WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO WHICH
03:25:02PM IS ENCOURAGE -- THOSE THAT ARE SORT OF FACING THE FRONT
03:25:05PM REALLY AREN'T FACING THE FRONT, THAT IS NOT AN INVITING,
03:25:10PM ENGAGING ENTRANCE.
03:25:11PM SO INSTEAD OF TRYING TO CONNECT THIS DEFINITION OF A
03:25:16PM COURTYARD, I WOULD RATHER WORK ON WAYS TO ACTUALLY MAKE THEM
03:25:20PM A PART OF THE COMMUNITY, TO FIT THE COMMUNITY AROUND THEM.
03:25:23PM BECAUSE THEY REALLY DON'T.
03:25:26PM THEY STICK OUT LOCAL A SORE THUMB.
03:25:28PM UP CAN'T TALK THESE WHEN THEY COME IN FRONT OF US.
03:25:31PM I CAN'T SHARE THE OPINION, BUT NOW IS THE PERFECT TIME TO
03:25:35PM TALK ABOUT IT.
03:25:36PM WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FOR ME IS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.
03:25:38PM A SUBURBAN APARTMENT COMPLEX.
03:25:41PM THAT IS NOT WHAT WE NEED IN OUR URBAN ENVIRONMENT.
03:25:44PM IT JUST SIMPLY ISN'T.
03:25:48PM I DON'T SUPPORT THE COURTYARD DEFINITION AND I ABSOLUTELY
03:25:52PM DON'T SUPPORT THESE.
03:25:52PM AND ANY WAY WE CAN STOP THEM, I AM ABOUT.
03:25:55PM SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR SUGGESTIONS ARE HERE, BUT THE
03:25:59PM DEFINITION OF A COURTYARD IS SIMPLY NOT GOING TO HELP.
03:26:02PM HONESTLY ANYTHING THAT MAKES THESE COME IN FRONT OF US TO
03:26:07PM DECIDE ON UNTIL WE GET A BETTER CODE FOR THIS, I AM ALL FOR.
03:26:14PM >>ERIC COTTON: YES, MA'AM.
03:26:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:26:16PM >>BILL CARLSON: I MET WITH THE BLOOMBERG PEOPLE A COUPLE OF
03:26:22PM DAYS AGO -- IS ANYBODY ELSE MEETING WITH THEM.
03:26:24PM AND STEVEN KING FOR PART OF IT.
03:26:26PM AND I THINK WE HAVE -- I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS WHOLE
03:26:36PM THING STRATEGICALLY AND FROM THE RIGHT END OF IT.
03:26:39PM I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT WHAT HAPPENED THE OTHER DAY.
03:26:42PM I APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK THAT EVERYBODY IS DOING.
03:26:44PM SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE THINGS MOVING IN DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT I
03:26:47PM DON'T SEE WHAT THE BIG PICTURE IS AND HOW IT IS TIED IN.
03:26:51PM ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THE BLOOMBERG PEOPLE ASKED ME --
03:26:56PM LET ME BACK UP.
03:26:57PM SEEMS THIS IS COMING FROM A VERY GOOD ANALYSIS OF THE
03:27:00PM EXCEPTIONS AND YOU ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SAVE
03:27:02PM EVERYONE'S TIME NOT HAVE CERTAIN THINGS COME BEFORE COUNCIL.
03:27:06PM MY PREFERENCE TO EVENTUALLY GET TO A HEARING MASTER SO CITY
03:27:13PM COUNCIL WILL SPEND 70, 80% ON POLICY AND 20% ON REAL ESTATE.
03:27:18PM THE OTHER WAY AROUND RIGHT NOW.
03:27:20PM SIMILAR TO THE COUNTY, WE SHOULD BE WORKING ON POLICY.
03:27:23PM BUT.
03:27:24PM WHAT HI SAID TO THE BLOOMBERG PEOPLE.
03:27:26PM ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS THEY ASKED US, DO YOU THINK WE
03:27:29PM NEED TO MODERNIZE THE CODE.
03:27:31PM I SAID, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?
03:27:35PM SOMETHING FOR CODE?
03:27:35PM THEY SAID, NO.
03:27:37PM AND IF THERE IS NO STANDARD THAT OTHER CITIES USE, THAT IF
03:27:41PM WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT SIMPLE FOR DEVELOPERS AND EVERYONE
03:27:44PM TO UNDERSTAND, THEN IT IS NOT MODERNIZING IT.
03:27:46PM IT IS -- THEN IT IS THINKING ABOUT WHAT THE LAND USE IS THAT
03:27:54PM GOES WITH IT.
03:27:55PM AND THE QUESTION IS WHAT WOULD YOU CHANGE IN THE
03:27:58PM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE ZONING CODE.
03:28:00PM WE DON'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS
03:28:02PM YET.
03:28:03PM EVERY CITY THAT I HAVE BEEN IN.
03:28:05PM I SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN ASIA.
03:28:07PM I TRAVEL ALL THE TEAM TO MIDDLE EAST WHERE THE CITY COME OUT
03:28:10PM OF DESERTS AND ISLANDS AND BUILT HUGE CITIES WITH MILLIONS
03:28:17PM OF PEOPLE IN THEM FROM NOTHING IN THE LAST 10 TO 20 YEARS.
03:28:23PM BUT THEY START WITH SOME -- SOME OF THEM MORE THAN OTHERS --
03:28:28PM GETTING PUBLIC INPUT ON WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS AND THEY DO 3D
03:28:33PM -- SHANGHAI HAD IT TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO SOMEONE SOUTH OF
03:28:48PM GANDY SAID WHY IS IT THAT YOU WILL CONVERT IN PARK NEXT TO
03:28:52PM ME INTO APARTMENTS.
03:28:53PM HOW DEAR YOU DO THAT.
03:28:55PM MY KID HAS BEEN PLAYING ON THIS PARK FOR TWO YEARS.
03:28:58PM THE OWNER SAID YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN TRESPASSING AND ALWAYS
03:29:02PM PRIVATE PROPERTY.
03:29:03PM HOW IS IT THAT THE PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THINGS ARE
03:29:06PM GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
03:29:08PM MY POINT IS THAT ALTHOUGH THIS ANALYSIS IS GREAT AND I
03:29:14PM APPRECIATE IT, A STRATEGY AND IT VISION THAT WENT INTO THIS.
03:29:18PM A LOT OF WOULD, DONE DOWNTOWN IN THE LAST 10 TO 15 YEARS AND
03:29:23PM SOME OF THAT WAS VERY GOOD AND WE DIDN'T OF HAVE TO LOOK AT
03:29:27PM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE TO BE DEVELOPED
03:29:29PM THROUGH COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS AND HAVE TO BE PLANNED AROUND
03:29:32PM PEOPLE.
03:29:32PM WE HAVE TO PLAN AROUND PEOPLE.
03:29:34PM AND STEVEN AND I HAD A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS THE OTHER
03:29:37PM WAY.
03:29:37PM PLAN AROUND PEOPLE.
03:29:39PM ONCE WE PLAN AROUND HOW BUSINESSES AND PEOPLE WILL INTERACT
03:29:43PM WITH SPACE WE LOOK AT THE CODE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND
03:29:46PM CHANGE IT THERE.
03:29:46PM SEEM LIKE WE ARE GOING FROM THE OPPOSITE END.
03:29:49PM I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THIS WORK BECAUSE WE NEED TO SAVE
03:29:54PM TIME, EVERYONE'S TIME.
03:29:55PM UP WISH WE COULD START WITH A REAL VISION AND APPEAR REAL
03:29:58PM PLAN FOR ST. LOUIS.
03:29:59PM AND THEN ADAPT THE CODE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE MAN TO MATCH
03:30:04PM THAT.
03:30:04PM THANK YOU.
03:30:04PM FETCH.
03:30:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:30:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I KNOW STAFF HATES THESE AS MUCH AS WE DO.
03:30:21PM TO SOME DEGREE.
03:30:22PM THEY ARE NOT TRYING TO WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
03:30:25PM QUITE FRANKLY, OUR CITY WAS BUILT TO BE A SUBURBAN CITY.
03:30:29PM JUST DESIGN-WISE.
03:30:30PM SO WE ARE TRYING TO CATCH UP WITH THE CITY THAT IS NO LONGER
03:30:34PM REALLY A SUBURBAN CITY.
03:30:36PM I DON'T KNOW IF THE DEFENSE NEGLECTS OF A COURTYARD REALLY
03:30:47PM MATTERED?
03:30:48PM BUT I WANT TO SEE LESS OF THIS IN WHATEVER WAY POSSIBLE FEEL
03:30:55PM CHESTERFIELD ABBYE FEELEY, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF
03:30:58PM GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
03:30:59PM I JUST WANT TO ASK IS THIS -- THIS IS THE COURTYARD -- CAN
03:31:02PM YOU PUT THAT SLIDE BACK UP FOR A MINUTE, PLEASE.
03:31:06PM SO COUPLE OF THINGS.
03:31:10PM THE CODE SPEAKS TO BEING -- THE CODE REQUIRES THAT THAT
03:31:15PM ENTRANCES FACE A STREET, OKAY.
03:31:17PM I ACTUALLY PROCESSED THIS PD, AND THE DISCUSSION CAME UP
03:31:22PM AMONGST OUR TEAM TO PROCEED YOU WITH SOME PICTURES, I SAID
03:31:26PM GO TO THIS ONE, BECAUSE I SAW IT CONSTRUCTED AND NOT AS HALF
03:31:31PM AS BAD AS IT WAS ON THE SITE PLAN.
03:31:36PM TO THE STREET TO THE RIGHT, YOU HAVE CLEVELAND.
03:31:39PM TO THE BOTTOM, YOU HAVE TAMPANIA.
03:31:46PM IF EVERYTHING HAD TO FACE THE STREET, THIS PROJECT WOULD
03:31:48PM HAVE ENDED UP WITH LESS UNITS.
03:31:51PM WHEN YOU BALANCE THAT WITH THE HOUSING CRISIS WE ARE IN, WE
03:31:54PM HAVE TO LOOK FOR ALTERNATIVES TO MAXIMIZE THE SMALL LOTS
03:31:59PM THAT WE HAVE.
03:32:00PM I CAN ACTUALLY GO BACK AND SHOW YOU THAT IN MITCHELL
03:32:03PM ELEMENTARY SOME OLDER PRODUCT TO THIS THAT HAS COMPLETE
03:32:07PM BLANK WALLS THAT WOULD HAVE FACED TAMPANIA AND AT THAT TIME,
03:32:13PM WOULD HAVE MET THE CODE.
03:32:14PM THERE WAS ET RATIONS OF THE CODE TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF
03:32:17PM THE PRODUCT WE ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE AND IT IS A BALANCE.
03:32:20PM THE CODE SPEAKS TO ALLOWING AN APPLICANT TO REQUEST AN
03:32:26PM ALTERNATIVE SUCH AS A COURTYARD.
03:32:28PM THERE IS NO DEFINITION.
03:32:30PM STAFF IS TRYING TO PUT ONE IN TO PROVIDE SOME.
03:32:35PM PARAMETERS TO WHAT THAT WOULD, IN FACT, INCLUDE IF THAT IS
03:32:41PM ACCEPTABLE.
03:32:41PM RIGHT NOW SOMEBODY CAN PUT IN A SPLIT AND CLAIM IT IS A
03:32:45PM COURTYARD, AND BECAUSE THERE IS NO DEFINITION, TECHNICALLY
03:32:50PM WE COULD EITHER 'PROVE IT OR DENY IT.
03:32:52PM GIVEN SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS WE HAVE HEARD WITH RELATION
03:32:56PM WITH CERTAINTY, STAFF PROVIDING THINGS THAT --
03:32:59PM ADMINISTRATIVE DETERMINATIONS THAT HAVE A FOUNDATION IN THE
03:33:03PM CODE.
03:33:06PM WE ARE LOOKING TO DO THAT.
03:33:07PM IF THAT IS NOT THE DESIRE, THAT IS EVEN IF.
03:33:10PM WE WILL NOT DO THAT.
03:33:11PM THAT WILL NOT TAKE OUT THE FACT THAT THE COURTYARD IS AN
03:33:19PM OPTION IN THE CODE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE APPLYING TO THESE.
03:33:21PM RIGHT NOW THEY DO COME TO YOU.
03:33:23PM IT IS NOT GOING TO STOP THE PIPELINE.
03:33:25PM I HAVE NOT SEEN AN APPLICATION.
03:33:27PM I BELIEVE THERE HAS BEEN ONE RECENTLY ON CYPRESS THAT WAS
03:33:32PM DENIED.
03:33:32PM BUT AMONGST THE MAJORITY OF THEM WHEN THEY COME SCANNED FOR
03:33:39PM THE WAIVER NOT TO FACE A RIGHT-OF-WAY WHICH IS THE PICTURE
03:33:42PM WE ARE SHOWING YOU, IT IS BEING APPROVED.
03:33:45PM SO I UNDERSTAND THE LONGER TERM.
03:33:49PM I ACTUALLY HAD MY OWN SESSION WITH BLOOMBERG THE OTHER
03:33:54PM AFTERNOON TO SAY HOW I WOULD REWRITE THE CODE AND WHAT I
03:33:57PM WOULD DO.
03:33:58PM 23 YEARS NOW, I LIVED IT, BREATHED IT AND SPENT MANY LATE
03:34:04PM NIGHTS UNTIL 3:00 IN THE MORNING TO GET PROPERTIES REZONED
03:34:08PM AND I WISH WE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT.
03:34:10PM THAT IS SOME BACKGROUND TO THAT.
03:34:12PM I UNDERSTAND THAT PICTURE IS NOT PREFERABLE TO YOU OR I
03:34:16PM DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW TO THE OTHER MEMBERS WHAT IS UP
03:34:20PM THERE, BUT I THINK WHAT IS BEING PROPOSE IS TO PROVIDE
03:34:28PM ADDITIONAL CONSISTENCY OF THE CODE THAT IS CURRENTLY NOT
03:34:32PM PRESENT.
03:34:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT WOULD THAT --
03:34:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
03:34:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE.
03:34:41PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THE FIRST STEP TO GO AND PURSUE IT.
03:34:44PM TODAY IS THE CONCEPT.
03:34:45PM TODAY WE SAY THE CODE DOES NOT DEFINE COURTYARD.
03:34:51PM MENT NEXT SET OF TEXT AMENDMENTS, WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT
03:34:55PM AND ERIC AND STEVEN WILL LOOK AT WHAT THE COURTYARD
03:34:59PM DESIGNATIONS ARE.
03:35:00PM AND YOU WILL STILL HAVE THE OPTION AT THAT TIME TO
03:35:05PM SAY YAY, NAY.
03:35:06PM JUST LIKE THE ADUs.
03:35:08PM WHAT TO YOU THINK THE ADUs SHOULD.
03:35:13PM UNFORTUNATELY -- THE MAN TODAY IF WE PASSED THAT, THAT
03:35:17PM NONCONFORMING STRUCTURE WOULD HAVE BEEN PERMITTED AND HE
03:35:20PM WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO APPEAL TO YOU.
03:35:21PM WE DON'T HAVE THAT EXACT LANGUAGE FOR YOU TODAY.
03:35:26PM THAT WILL BE WHAT WE WOULD START TO PREPARE.
03:35:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
03:35:31PM THANK YOU.
03:35:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:35:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ALONG THOSE LINES, IF WE GO TO NUMBER 9.
03:35:49PM SO MUCH IF THIS IS JUST CONCEPTUAL, THEN MY REQUEST FOR THIS
03:36:05PM WILL BE TO SIMPLY TAKE THIS TO THE PUBLIC WITH ALL THE LIST
03:36:09PM OF THINGS THAT COULD BE NOTICED AND SEE WHAT THE PUBLIC HAS
03:36:13PM AN INTEREST IN.
03:36:13PM I THINK WE CAN WHITTLE IT DOWN THAT WAY PRETTY NICELY.
03:36:18PM OR AT LEAST START.
03:36:19PM I THINK -- I AGREE SOME OF THIS SEEMS -- FENCE HEIGHT, SOME
03:36:24PM OF THIS STUFF, BUT WHAT IS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE
03:36:28PM PUBLIC IS MOST CONCERNED ABOUT.
03:36:30PM IF THEY HAVE A LIST OF THAT, THAT MIGHT -- I THINK THAT IS A
03:36:33PM PERFECT WAY TO START AND HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.
03:36:36PM AFTER THE PUBLIC HAD A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN.
03:36:38PM >>ERIC COTTON: UNDERSTOOD.
03:36:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
03:36:49PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:36:50PM >>BILL CARLSON: MISS CHESTERFIELD OR STEVEN.
03:36:54PM CONSIDERING THE WHOLE MONOLOGUE I WENT THROUGH -- SORRY IT
03:36:59PM WAS SO LONG.
03:37:01PM I KNOW YOU ALL ARE LOOKING TO DO SOME KIND OF LARGER
03:37:04PM PROCESS.
03:37:04PM IS THIS STUFF SO URGENT THAT WE NEED TO MOVE THIS FORWARD
03:37:09PM BEFORE WE DO THE LARGER PROCESS OR WAIT AND INCLUDE IT AS
03:37:12PM PART OF THE LARGER PROCESS THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO, WHATEVER
03:37:14PM THAT IS?
03:37:19PM >> AT THIS TIME WE HAVE NOT FINALIZED WHAT THE PROCESS WILL
03:37:24PM LOOK LIKE.
03:37:24PM BUT IT WILL TAKE MULTIPLE YEARS TO GET THROUGH IT AND
03:37:29PM EXECUTE IT THE WAY YOU CONVEYED YOUR EXPECTATION IS.
03:37:32PM WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE LAND USE UPDATE PROCESS WITH THE
03:37:37PM PLANNING COMMISSION.
03:37:37PM I WILL BE MEETING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION TOMORROW TO
03:37:39PM TALK WHAT THE PEOPLE PHASE OF THAT IS AND WHAT THE SCOPE OF
03:37:42PM THEIR CONSULTANT WILL BE TO CHOSE IT OUT.
03:37:45PM YOU HEARD THE PRESENTATION FROM THE CONSULTANT LAST WEEK BUT
03:37:52PM THAT WAS NOT THE END.
03:37:53PM WE WANT TO GET MORE INFORMATION AND TO MAKE SURE IT IS
03:37:56PM MEETING THE INTENT THAT YOU DESCRIBE IN TERMS OF UPDATING
03:37:59PM THE LAND USE PLAN IN A MANNER THAT WE CAN VISUALLY SEE AND
03:38:03PM ADDRESSING THE CONCERN ABOUT DESIGN THAT YOU BROUGHT UP.
03:38:07PM SO IT WOULD BE A MULTIYEAR PROCESS.
03:38:09PM SO WE WILL STILL WANT TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS.
03:38:13PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I WOULD LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING TO THAT.
03:38:18PM I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE.
03:38:20PM IT WOULD BE GREAT THAT WE COULD.
03:38:22PM PD APPLICATIONS ARE STILL BEING FILED.
03:38:25PM YOU ARE STILL SPENDING TWO EVENINGS A MONTH DEALING WITH
03:38:28PM BOTH ALCOHOL AND ZONING CASE REQUESTS.
03:38:34PM ONE OF THE OTHER DAY BASED ON THE VOTE YOU MARRIED LAST
03:38:37PM THURSDAY NIGHT OF ACCESS TO LOCAL STREET NO LONGER NEEDED
03:38:42PM A PD.
03:38:42PM WHILE GETTING TO THE BIGGER PICTURE IS CRITICAL AND
03:38:45PM IMPORTANT AND SHAPES THE GROWTH OF OUR CITY, MAKING THOSE
03:38:48PM SMALLER STEPS ARE ALSO MAKING AN IMPACT AT THIS TIME FOR
03:38:52PM THOSE THAT ARE SMALLER IN NATURE.
03:38:54PM AND I WOULD CONTINUE TO SAY THAT.
03:38:56PM IN RELATIONSHIP TO THIS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SOLID
03:39:05PM WASTE AMENDMENT AND THE AMENDMENTS THAT CAME FROM THE WEST
03:39:08PM SHORE ALLIANCE THAT THE CITY IS LOOKING TO SUPPORT TO ENABLE
03:39:12PM THEM TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR VISION PLANS WILL BE AT THE
03:39:16PM DISCRETION OF COUNCIL WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THOSE TWO.
03:39:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
03:39:27PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:39:27PM THIS WAS YOUR MOTION.
03:39:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IT WAS BILL CARLSON.
03:39:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DOES THAT SATISFY YOU ON THE STAFF REPORT.
03:39:38PM >> JUST TO BE CLEAR WE ARE REQUESTING ACTION FROM COUNCIL
03:39:43PM AND THE ACTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND
03:39:47PM COME BACK WITH ALL OF THAT INFORMATION TO PRESENT TO YOU.
03:39:50PM >>BILL CARLSON: ALL WE ARE DOING IS ASKING FOR PUBLIC
03:39:53PM ENGAGEMENT.
03:39:54PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO MOVED.
03:39:56PM >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND.
03:39:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MADAM CLERK, DID YOU GET THAT MOTION?
03:40:00PM MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:40:02PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
03:40:05PM ALL IN FAVOR.
03:40:06PM OPPOSED?
03:40:08PM MOTION WAS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8.
03:40:14PM >> NO PUBLIC COMMENT?
03:40:19PM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, CAN I SAY ONE MORE THING.
03:40:21PM I DON'T WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE VOTE.
03:40:25PM I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ELSE.
03:40:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ONE AT A TIME, PLEASE.
03:40:30PM >> NO PUBLIC COMMENT?
03:40:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THESE ARE STAFF REPORTS.
03:40:36PM MISS SANCHEZ, COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM.
03:40:38PM PLEASE AND THANK YOU.
03:40:40PM >> I WAS JUST WONDER GOING THERE WAS PUBLIC COMMENT.
03:40:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOT DURING STAFF REPORT.
03:40:45PM >> NO, IT'S OKAY.
03:40:46PM I WANTED TO GIVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ON WHAT I CALL THAT
03:40:50PM TUNNEL DESIGN.
03:40:51PM THE GARAGES THAT ARE FACING EACH OTHER.
03:40:58PM WE HAVE 2415 WEST NORTH 8th STREET.
03:41:01PM WHAT HAPPENS IS PEOPLE PUT CHAIRS AND PLANTS IN FRONT OF
03:41:05PM THEIR DOORS SO THEY CANNOT GET IN TO PARK THEIR CARS.
03:41:09PM SO THEY ARE USING AS A COURTYARD.
03:41:13PM AND THEIR CARS ARE BEING PARKED IN THE STREET.
03:41:15PM SO THE DEFINITION BETWEEN A COURTYARD AND A BACK -- AND THE
03:41:20PM DRIVEWAY IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO CLARIFY THAT.
03:41:23PM BECAUSE DEPENDING ON HOW NARROW THAT DRIVEWAY IS, THOSE CARS
03:41:29PM CAN NOT MAKE THAT 90-DEGREE TURN AND THEY END UP PARKING ON
03:41:34PM THE STREET.
03:41:34PM I WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
03:41:36PM AND I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL AND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOR
03:41:40PM PUSHING NUMBER 9, THE DESIGN EXCEPTION.
03:41:44PM THE DESIGN EXCEPTION THAT I SUGGESTED HAD TO DO WITH
03:41:47PM TRANSPARENCY.
03:41:48PM THAT IS THE MAIN THING.
03:41:49PM BECAUSE THAT DEPARTMENT AND WHEN THEY MAKE THE DECISIONS ON
03:41:52PM THE DESIGN EXCEPTION, THOSE DECISIONS ARE MADE.
03:41:56PM AND THEN YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEM UNTIL AFTER THEY HAPPEN.
03:41:59PM SO THAT IS WHAT THAT SUGGESTION I MADE FOR THE DESIGN
03:42:04PM EXCEPTIONS.
03:42:05PM NOTIFICATION FOR ALL OF THEM IS BECAUSE OF THE NECESSARY TO
03:42:09PM HAVE TRANSPARENCY WITHIN THAT DEPARTMENT.
03:42:12PM THANK YOU.
03:42:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
03:42:14PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:42:15PM >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST WANT TO SPEAK FOR STAFF.
03:42:19PM I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT WHEN I ASK QUESTIONS
03:42:23PM LIKE THIS, NOT BECAUSE I AM TRYING TO CHALLENGE OR CRITICIZE
03:42:26PM SOMETHING.
03:42:26PM I THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK.
03:42:28PM THE THING IS THAT THESE THINGS ARE SO COMPLEX.
03:42:31PM YOU ALL ARE TRAINED IN THIS.
03:42:33PM A LITTLE BIT OF EXPERIENCE IN IT, BUT NOT ENOUGH TO KNOW THE
03:42:41PM KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU HAVE.
03:42:42PM SOME THINGS IN THE AREA THAT WE APPROVED IN THE PAST THAT WE
03:42:45PM THOUGHT WE UNDERSTOOD IT AND UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES
03:42:50PM THAT THE PUBLIC COMES BACK AND CRITICIZES US FOR.
03:42:53PM MAYBE DESERVEDLY SO.
03:42:55PM WE ARE TRYING TO PROTECT YOU AND US FOR CRIT CRITICISM OF
03:43:00PM THE PUBLIC BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY TO FULLY LISTEN TO THE
03:43:04PM PUBLIC TO REFLECT THEIR INTEREST AND DO THE MOST VISIONARY
03:43:07PM THINGS WE CAN.
03:43:07PM I APPRECIATE YOUR INSIGHT AND HELP.
03:43:09PM THANK YOU.
03:43:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS FEELEY, YOU WERE GOING TO SAY SOMETHING
03:43:21PM >> BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION ITEM 58, THE
03:43:24PM HOTEL THAT HAD TO GO BACK TO FIRST READING OF THE PUBLIC
03:43:28PM NOTICE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SCHEDULED FOR AN EVENING MEETING
03:43:31PM BECAUSE THE CODE -- THE CHARTER SAID ONE EVENING MEETING AND
03:43:36PM ONE DAYTIME MEETING.
03:43:38PM I WAS GOING TO ASK THAT YOU PLEASE AMEND YOUR MOTION ON
03:43:41PM THAT ITEM 58 AND PUT IT AT APRIL 13, 5:01 P.M.
03:43:49PM I APOLOGIZE FOR THE CONFUSION.
03:43:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
03:43:55PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
03:43:57PM MOTION CARRIES.
03:44:01PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:44:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF I MAY.
03:44:03PM I AM TRYING TO RECALL.
03:44:04PM THE LAST ITEM AGENDA, WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN THIS WAS FORS
03:44:11PM BROUGHT UP, EIGHT MONTHS AGO, I BELIEVE.
03:44:15PM WASN'T THIS DISCUSSION TO SAVE THE COUNCIL TEAM.
03:44:17PM AND FOR SMALLER THINGS INHOUSE TO BE DECIDED ON.
03:44:24PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: IN RELATION TO THE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS THAT
03:44:27PM THIS MISS SANCHEZ WAS SPEAKING TO.
03:44:30PM WE WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT.
03:44:32PM THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN ADMINISTRATIVE VARIANCE POWER THAT
03:44:37PM HAS RESIDED WITH THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
03:44:41PM THIS IS BEFORE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS EVEN EXISTED.
03:44:44PM WE USED TO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT KIND OF VARIANCES.
03:44:48PM ADMINISTRATIVE THAT WERE MORE DOMINUS IN NATURE AND
03:44:53PM VARIANCES THAT WENT BEFORE 9 VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
03:44:57PM IN 2008, THE ADMINISTER TESTIFY WITH AS THE DESIGN
03:45:01PM EXCEPTION.
03:45:01PM TWO TYPES OF DESIGN EXCEPTIONS.
03:45:04PM NUMBER ONE THAT IS MORE DOMINUS IN NATURE AND DESIGN
03:45:08PM EXCEPTION TWO, WHICH IS A LITTLE LARGER.
03:45:10PM THERE ARE APPROVAL CRITERIA WITHIN THE CODE.
03:45:17PM DESIGN EXCEPTION ONE, MORE DOMINUS DID NOT REQUIRE PUBLIC
03:45:24PM NOTICE.
03:45:24PM THE DESIGNS EXCEPTION 2 DOES.
03:45:26PM DESIGN EXCEPTION 2 INCLUDED SETBACKS THAT WERE NONOVERLAY.
03:45:33PM WHAT WE STARTED BACK IN JUNE.
03:45:37PM THE DESIGN EXCEPTION ONE WERE NOT BEING NOTICED.
03:45:40PM THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY IN THE LEVEL OF NOTICE THAT WAS
03:45:45PM GIVEN, AND WE SHIFTED THE SETBACKS WITHIN THE OVERLAYS NOT
03:45:50PM GETTING NOTICED TO GET NOTICE SO THERE WERE CONSISTENT WITH
03:45:54PM THE REST OF THE CODE.
03:45:55PM NO SECRECY GOING ON WITH LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
03:46:00PM THE ADMINISTRATIVE VARIANCES NEVER HAD A LEVEL OF CRITERIA
03:46:05PM AND NEVER HAD PUBLIC NOTICE.
03:46:07PM AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN THROUGH THAT WAY.
03:46:10PM I UNDERSTAND THE COMMENT BEING MADE THAT THEY DON'T KNOW
03:46:14PM ABOUT IT UNTIL IT IS CONSTRUCTED.
03:46:16PM IF WE PROVIDE PUBLIC NOTICE AND THEY KNOW IT, IT WON'T
03:46:24PM NECESSARILY CHANGE THE CRITERIA UNDER WHICH THAT IS BEING
03:46:27PM GRANTED AND THAT IS FINE.
03:46:28PM I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
03:46:30PM THE SECOND LEVEL TO THAT CONVERSATION BEAM, OUR OFFICES
03:46:36PM PROCESS 275 DESIGN EXCEPTIONS.
03:46:40PM IN -- 321 AND 275 IN 2022.
03:46:48PM 525 ACTIONS THAT COULD BECOME APPEALS TO YOU THIS BOARD
03:46:56PM CURRENTLY TAKES TWO REVIEW HEARINGS.
03:46:59PM EACH DAY HEARING.
03:47:00PM FOUR A MONTH THOSE AREN'T ALWAYS DESIGN EXCEPTIONS.
03:47:07PM YOU HEARD SPECIAL USE 1 THAT WOULD NOT BE A D.E. OR EVEN IN
03:47:13PM THE POTENTIAL BUCKET OF APPEALS.
03:47:15PM WE CAME BACK IN JUNE AND WE SAID TO YOU, LET'S START WITH
03:47:18PM THE SETBACK.
03:47:19PM PAUSE WE KNEW ABOUT WHAT NUMBER THAT WAS GOING TO BE.
03:47:25PM IF THE AT THE SIRE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC NOTICE ON THE
03:47:28PM ADDITIONAL 500.
03:47:29PM THAT IS NOT A PROBLEM.
03:47:30PM WE CAN DO IT.
03:47:31PM THE REALITY IS, YOU CAN NOW HAVE APPEALS THAT ARE GOING OUT
03:47:34PM TWO AND THREE YEARS BECAUSE IF YOU ARE ONLY TAKING FOUR A
03:47:38PM MONTH, THAT IS ONLY 40 IN AT THAT YEAR, NOT ONLY DESIGN
03:47:44PM EXCEPTIONS, THAT IS VRB APPEALS, THAT IS FORMER DECISION
03:47:48PM APPEALS, SPECIAL USE APPEALS.
03:47:50PM SO IF THAT IS THE DESIRE, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
03:47:56PM WE WILL GET MORE NUMBERS FOR YOU IN TERMS OF THOSE APPEALS
03:48:01PM AND MAY BE A CONVERSATION YOU HAVE AMONGST YOURSELF DO WE
03:48:04PM NEED TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF APPEALS WE ARE GOING TO HEAR
03:48:10PM IT ANOTHER DAY FOR THAT.
03:48:11PM BECAUSE IT WILL OPEN THAT.
03:48:13PM OF THE ONES THAT WE PROCESSED OF THAT DID NOT RECEIVE
03:48:18PM NOTICE, WERE 15 APPEALS.
03:48:20PM THOSE WERE PEOPLE WHO WERE DENIED BY THE ZONING
03:48:24PM ADMINISTRATOR AND THEY CAME TO SEEK APPROVAL THROUGH THE SAY
03:48:31PM THE APPELLATE WHICH WOULD BE YOU.
03:48:33PM WHEN WE BRING THOSE THINGS TO YOU AND WE HAVE THOSE OPINIONS
03:48:37PM AND OF HOW WE HANDLE THE APPLICATIONS AND THOSE APPEALS AND
03:48:48PM THE IMPACT IT WILL HAVE ON YOU AND TRY TO BALANCE THAT WITH
03:48:51PM THE TRANSPARENCY REQUIRED BY THE PUBLIC.
03:48:53PM ALL OF THOSE APPLICATIONS, AS ERIC MENTIONED LAST WEEK AND I
03:49:02PM HEARD THEY WERE TALKED ON.
03:49:05PM PUBLISHED IN OUR NEWSLETTER AND A WAY TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING
03:49:11PM ON IF ADDITIONAL.
03:49:15PM IT COULD BE ACHIEVED THROUGH A COMBINATION OF THINGS.
03:49:17PM ACCOMMODATION OF ADDITIONAL CRITERIA THAT CAN GO IN TO SAY
03:49:22PM THAT THESE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS WILL FALL WITHIN THESE
03:49:26PM RANGES.
03:49:26PM AND SOME ADDITIONAL PUBLIC NOTICE FOR A SELECT NUMBER OF
03:49:32PM THOSE APPLICATIONS.
03:49:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, I USE THE TERMS BC
03:49:38PM AND PC.
03:49:39PM BEFORE CODE AND POST CODE.
03:49:41PM WE HAD OUR AGENDAS STACKED.
03:49:44PM WE AS A COUNCIL BODY WERE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO CATCH UP.
03:49:48PM I THOUGHT THAT THIS COMMENT -- OR THIS DIRECTION CAME WITH
03:49:52PM THAT, TRYING TO CATCH UP AND NOT TAKE UP SO MUCH OF OUR
03:49:55PM TIME.
03:49:55PM SO I THANK YOU, MISS FEELEY.
03:49:58PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8, CM 22-77743.
03:50:06PM FITCH.
03:50:16PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, CHIEF TRIPP, FIRE
03:50:20PM RESCUE.
03:50:21PM HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE LAST MOTION BASICALLY IN REFERENCE TO
03:50:25PM CITY COUNCIL AS FAR AS THE EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION.
03:50:27PM SO I HAVE EMERGENCY MAJOR.
03:50:32PM HERE.
03:50:33PM AND WE WILL GIVE OUR PRESENTATION.
03:50:34PM WE HAVE SOME THINGS ON THE SCREEN.
03:50:40PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
03:50:42PM I WILL GO THROUGH A FEW SLIDES.
03:50:44PM A FEW MORE ADD-ONES FROM THE LAST TIME WE MET TOGETHER AND
03:50:48PM GOING THROUGH THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
03:50:49PM AS WE SPOKE AT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP, THREE-YEAR
03:50:54PM CYCLE FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS PLAN.
03:50:57PM WE HAVE OUR SCHEDULED MARCH 14 KICKOFF MEETING CITYWIDE.
03:51:01PM SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE RECEIVED THAT INVITATION.
03:51:03PM WE HAVE OUR KICKOFF MEETING EVERY SINGLE YEAR, WE GO OVER
03:51:07PM THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT WILL BE INCLUDED DURING THE UPDATE
03:51:10PM CYCLE.
03:51:10PM WE START THAT EARLY AND OBVIOUSLY WE WANT EVERYTHING
03:51:13PM PREPARED AND UPDATED BEFORE JUNE 1 AND THE START OF
03:51:16PM HURRICANE SEASON.
03:51:17PM A QUICK RECAP WHAT THIS PLAN IS, FRAMEWORK, FOR RESPONDING
03:51:22PM TO EMERGENCIES.
03:51:23PM SPECIAL EVENTS.
03:51:24PM IT LAYS OUT OUR ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES FOR OUR DIFFERENT
03:51:28PM DEPARTMENTS AND STAKEHOLDERS AND EXTERNAL AGENCIES THAT WE
03:51:32PM PARTNER DURING EMERGENCIES AND RISK AND VULNERABILITY TO THE
03:51:36PM DIFFERENT HAZARDS THAT EFFECT THE CITY OF TAMPA.
03:51:39PM WE HAVE OUR KEY MAPS, RESOURCES APPENDICES IN THIS DOCUMENT
03:51:45PM AND ANY TRAINING AND REQUIREMENTS OF OUR STAFF.
03:51:48PM I BRING UP THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT CYCLE.
03:51:53PM A BIT OF AN EDUCATION WHY WE PUT TOGETHER THIS FRAMEWORK.
03:51:57PM AGAIN, DISASTERS DO NOT HAPPEN EVERY DAY.
03:51:59PM THIS PLAN, THE COMPREHENSIVE EMERGENCY OPERATION PLAN IS NOT
03:52:02PM FOR HIGHWAY.
03:52:04PM ACCIDENTS, EMERGENCY RESPONSE, THAT HAPPENS EVERY DAY IN THE
03:52:09PM CITY.
03:52:09PM LARGE-SCALE HURRICANES.
03:52:11PM REMEMBER BACK TO 2020 AND EVEN BEYOND COVID-19, SOCIAL
03:52:15PM UNREST, THE LARGE WATER MAIN BREAK WE HAD IN NOVEMBER.
03:52:18PM THINGS THAT ARE COMPLEX AND THINGS THAT MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS
03:52:21PM HAVE TO RESPOND TO.
03:52:22PM WITHIN THIS CYCLE AS LAID OUT IN THE NATIONAL MANAGEMENT
03:52:26PM SYSTEM THAT CAME AFTER 9/11 WAS THE NATIONWIDE STANDARDS HOW
03:52:31PM TO RESPOND TO THESE COMPLEX INCIDENTS.
03:52:35PM DAY TO DAY.
03:52:36PM EVEN BLUE SKIES.
03:52:37PM TAKING WORK TOGETHER.
03:52:38PM MITIGATING RISKS.
03:52:39PM THESE ACTIONS THAT WE TAKE TO HARDEN OUR FIRE STATIONS.
03:52:42PM LIKE THE PIPES PROGRAM.
03:52:44PM REDUCING FLOODING AND OTHER ISSUES THAT MAY OCCUR.
03:52:47PM WE CAN TAKE THOSE ACTIONS TODAY WHEN THERE ARE NOT GRAY
03:52:51PM SKIES OUT.
03:52:51PM PREPAREDNESS PHASE, TRAINS, PLANNED UPDATE, EXERCISES THAT
03:52:56PM WE ARE DOING.
03:52:57PM THAT COMPONENT IS IN PLACE.
03:52:58PM WHEN THE INCIDENT OCCURS, RESPONSE PHASE, THE QUICK, FAST
03:53:03PM PART.
03:53:03PM OUR RESPONSE,ABSOLUTELY I HAVE IT, LIFE, SAFETY, PROTECTING
03:53:08PM PROPERTY, PROTECTING ENVIRONMENT.
03:53:10PM ACTIONS THAT HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY ONCE THAT OCCURS AND
03:53:13PM RESPONSE INTO SHORT-TERM AN LONG-TERM RECOVERY THAT MAY TAKE
03:53:18PM YEARS.
03:53:18PM AFTER HURRICANE IAN, WE WERE MOSTLY SPARED.
03:53:23PM I WAS DEPLOYED TO FORT MYERS.
03:53:27PM I WAS UP IN HURRICANE MICHAEL 2018, THAT RECOVERY PROCESS IS
03:53:32PM STILL GOING ON.
03:53:33PM AS YOU SEE IT IS CONTINUOUS THROUGH THE FOUR DIFFERENT
03:53:36PM PHASES.
03:53:37PM SO DIVING INTO IT THE COMPREHENSIVE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS
03:53:44PM PLAN.
03:53:44PM I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IN THE ORG STRUCTURE, THE EXECUTIVE
03:53:48PM POLICY GROUP.
03:53:49PM YOU REMEMBER BACK IN COVID, THE EPG, THE SHERIFF, THE MAYOR,
03:53:55PM DIFFERENT ELECTED BODY BASICALLY PUTTING TOGETHER THE
03:53:58PM STRATEGIC DIRECTION.
03:53:59PM WE HAVE THAT HERE AT THE CITY OF TAMPA.
03:54:01PM AND HERE IS THE LAYOUT WHO IS IN THE EXECUTIVE POLICY GROUP.
03:54:05PM BASICALLY THEIR MISSION IS TO PROVIDE STRATEGIC DIRECTION
03:54:09PM DURING AN EMERGENCY EVENT.
03:54:10PM STRATEGIC DIRECTION FROM THE MAYOR, ADMINISTRATOR ARES, FIRE
03:54:16PM CHIEF, POLICE CHIEF, COMING DOWN TO THE FURTHER ORGANIZATION
03:54:19PM WE ARE RESPONDING TO DURING THE EMERGENCY.
03:54:20PM AS YOU SEE THERE, THAT IS THE COMMUNICATION PIECE TO CITY
03:54:24PM COUNCIL HOW THAT THAT EPG GROUP, AS WELL AS GETTING THE KNOW
03:54:27PM OF INFORMATION TO AND FROM COUNCIL, TO THAT EPG THAT CAN
03:54:31PM FUNNEL DOWN TO THE REST OF THE RESPONSE ORGANIZATION.
03:54:33PM AGAIN THAT STRATEGIC DIRECTION IS THE KEY POINT THAT REALLY
03:54:37PM COMES OUT OF THE EPG.
03:54:40PM ALL OUR POWERS COME FROM THE MAYOR, POLICE CHIEF, FIRE
03:54:44PM CHIEF, OUR RESPONSIBILITIES, BECAUSE THE MAYOR IS THE PUBLIC
03:54:46PM SAFETY OFFICIAL WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
03:54:58PM WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN FOR CITY COUNCIL AS THOSE
03:55:01PM RESPONSIBILITIES.
03:55:01PM FIRST TO RECEIVE REGULAR UPDATES AND BRIEFS FOR THE MAYOR OR
03:55:06PM DESIGNEE.
03:55:08PM EXTEND DECLARATION OF AM EMERGENCY.
03:55:10PM THE MAYOR CAN DECLARE THAT STATE OF NOTICE IF EXTENSIONS ARE
03:55:17PM BEYOND SEVEN DAYS NEEDS TO BE CONFIRMED BY CITY COUNCIL.
03:55:20PM LIAISON WITH STATE, COUNTY, FEDERAL REPRESENTATIVE.
03:55:24PM SERVE AS A LIAISON WITH THE COMMUNITY.
03:55:27PM ONE OF THE BIGGEST POINTS WHEN WE ARE GETTING INFORMATION
03:55:30PM THAT IS DYNAMIC AND THROUGH OUR PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICERS.
03:55:34PM IF RESIDENTS ARE COMING TO YOU TO HELP AMPLIFY THE MESSAGE
03:55:41PM SOMETHING A KEY POINT.
03:55:42PM CONDUCTING PUBLIC MEETINGS IDENTIFY FUTURE AND CITY ACTIONS.
03:55:48PM REVIEW REQUIREMENTS FOR SPECIAL LEGISLATION.
03:55:51PM ESTABLISH EXECUTIVE LEVEL POLICIES AND PARTICIPATING IN
03:55:54PM THOSE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT TRAINING.
03:55:56PM THAT IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN IN THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE RIGHT
03:55:59PM NOW.
03:55:59PM MUCH I BRING UP THIS NEXT SLIDE.
03:56:04PM I DID A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH LOOKING AT DIFFERENT
03:56:07PM GOVERNMENTS AROUND FLORIDA, NATIONWIDE, WHERE THE
03:56:09PM LEGISLATIVE BODY FITS IN DURING EMERGENCIES, AND I LOT OF
03:56:13PM THIS PULLED FROM FEMA 402.
03:56:16PM OFFICIAL TRAINING FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS.
03:56:18PM A LOT OF THE LANGUAGE MIRRORS WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY IN OUR
03:56:21PM PLAN.
03:56:21PM I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.
03:56:23PM AND I KNOW THERE WAS DISCUSSION AT THE LAST WORKSHOP OF THE
03:56:26PM ROLE OF CITY COUNCIL.
03:56:28PM ONE THING I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, DURING THE RESPONSE PHASE
03:56:31PM SPECIFICALLY, IT IS A VERY DYNAMIC SITUATION.
03:56:34PM AND IN THE NATIONAL INCIDENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, A CONCEPT
03:56:38PM CALLED INCIDENT COMMAND SYSTEM.
03:56:40PM POINT OF THAT IS TO ORGANIZE EFFECTIVELY A RESPONSE TO AN
03:56:45PM EMERGENCY.
03:56:45PM AND ULTIMATELY, THE INCIDENT COMMANDER AT THE TOP IS
03:56:49PM RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT INCIDENT.
03:56:50PM THE REASON WHY YOU WANT TO DO THAT THE DYNAMICALLY CHANGE IN
03:56:54PM INFORMATION, SETTING OBJECTIVES.
03:56:56PM AND BECAUSE OF THINGS RAPIDLY CHANGING, YOU WANT ONE
03:57:00PM INDIVIDUAL TO TAKE ACTION DURING THE RESPONSE STAGE.
03:57:03PM AS THE FEMA 402 STATED, STRATEGIC DIRECTION COMES TO YOU
03:57:08PM FROM COUNCIL.
03:57:08PM AS A HURRICANE IS COMING DECISIONS NEED TO BE MADE AND ONE
03:57:12PM POINT PERSON TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS AND EVERYONE
03:57:15PM THAT FALLS UNDERNEATH THAT MUCH ORG STRUCTURE CAN FOLLOW
03:57:19PM THROUGH MEETING THOSE OBJECTIVES.
03:57:22PM UNFORTUNATELY SO I STATED I WOULD GIVE RECOMMENDATION
03:57:29PM BETWEEN THOSE FOUR PHASES.
03:57:30PM PREPAREDNESS THROUGHOUT CYCLE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE
03:57:36PM EMERGENCY USE AUTHORIZATION MANAGEMENT.
03:57:37PM RECOMMENDATIONS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE EMERGENCY TRAININGS.
03:57:42PM FEMA HAS A LOT OF THESE ONLINE AND HOST THEM AT THE
03:57:46PM CONVENTION CENTER.
03:57:47PM WE HAVE ONE AT THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY EOC, BUT CLASSES THAT
03:57:51PM CAN GET YOU WITH THE SYSTEM, HOW WE ADOPT IT.
03:57:54PM WE DON'T DEVELOP THIS PLAN JUST AT THE CITY OF TAMPA.
03:57:57PM NATIONAL STANDARDS THAT WE IMPLEMENT IN OUR PLAN AND RELATE
03:58:01PM BACK TO THE NATIONAL INCIDENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
03:58:05PM I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU IF YOU TAKE TIME TO DO TRAININGS, THAT
03:58:09PM WOULD BE GREAT.
03:58:10PM SUPPORT OUTREACH COMMUNITY EVENTS.
03:58:12PM WE DO THAT EVERY YEAR.
03:58:13PM THE MORE PREPARED THE COMMUNITY IS, THE EASIER OUR JOB.
03:58:18PM I DO THESE IN SOUTH OF GANDY, EAST TAMPA, WEST TAMPA, ALL
03:58:22PM OVER THE CITY BUT GETTING OUT THAT HURRICANE MUCH
03:58:25PM PREPAREDNESS MESSAGING WILL MAKE OUR LIVES AND INFORM ALL
03:58:30PM LIVES EASIER.
03:58:31PM TRAINING AND SHARING INFORMATION AS PUBLIC INCHES OFFICERS
03:58:36PM AND GETTING OUT IN THAT INFORMATION.
03:58:38PM THROUGHOUT THE YEAR ON ALERT TAMPA, WE ARE PUTTING OUT
03:58:42PM PREPAREDNESS MESSAGES AND SHARE THEM MAKE AGO YOU ARE
03:58:46PM COMMUNITY MORE RESILIENT.
03:58:47PM LAST NIGHT OUR KICKOFF FROM OUR SPRING EMERGENCY RESPONSE
03:58:51PM TEAM.
03:58:51PM A GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS THAT WE TRAIN UP AND POTENTIALLY
03:58:55PM AVAILABLE TO US TOURING AN EMERGENCY.
03:58:57PM WEAPON DO BACK GROUND CHECKS FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS AS WELL
03:59:00PM AND WE HAVE THEM SINCE 2021 REVAMPED THAT PROGRAM.
03:59:03PM THE SIXTH CLASS.
03:59:05PM IF YOU TWO LIKE TO ATTEND OR PROMOTE THAT FOR RESIDENTS TO
03:59:09PM ATTEND THOSE TRAINING, WE WILL CONTINUE TO WANT TO BEEF UP
03:59:13PM OUR VOLUNTEER SUPPORT GIVING OUT SANDBAGS, WORKING AT
03:59:17PM SHELTERS AND ADDITIONAL NEEDS DURING EMERGENCY.
03:59:19PM WE USE THEM DURING GASPARILLA AS WELL AND HAVE THEM DURING
03:59:25PM VOLUNTEER SERVICES.
03:59:26PM >>> ON THE RESPONSE TEAM, BRIEFS FROM THE EM.
03:59:35PM WE HAVE YOU IN THE NOTIFICATION.
03:59:37PM EVERY TIME THE EPG WANTS TO ACCEPTED OUT A NOTIFICATION
03:59:41PM DIRECTLY TO THE CITY COUNCIL, THEY HAVE THAT SET UP TOP GET
03:59:44PM THAT INFORMATION TO YOU QUICKLY DURING THE RESPONSE PHASE.
03:59:47PM BIG THEY THINK IS.
03:59:49PM AMPLIFYING OUR MESSAGING AND ONE UNIFIED MESSAGE AS CITY
03:59:55PM GOVERNMENT, DIRECTING RESIDENT QUESTIONS.
03:59:57PM IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS THAT C COMING DIRECTLY TO YOU, WE
04:00:02PM OPERATE OUR EMERGENCY SERVICE CENTER.
04:00:04PM AND RESIDENTS CAN CALL THAT LINE 8 33-TPA-INFO.
04:00:12PM THEY WERE LOOKING AT WHAT THE NEAREST WAS, AND I'M SURE YOU
04:00:17PM HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS HEADED THAT WAY.
04:00:19PM IF YOU DIRECT THEM TO THAT LINE, THE LATEST, GREATEST BEST
04:00:24PM TRANSPORTATION OUT TO THEM.
04:00:27PM AND THRONE WRAP UP ON THE PHASES ON THE RECOVERY SIDE AND
04:00:31PM THIS IS A BIG PART OF SOUTHWEST FLORIDA WHERE THE
04:00:35PM LEGISLATIVE BODIES PLAY A ROLE IN THE SHORT-TERM AND
04:00:40PM LONG-TERM DISCOVERY.
04:00:40PM ONCE THE RESPONSE TIME, THE LIFE SAFETY ISSUES ARE DEALT
04:00:44PM WITH.
04:00:44PM A LONG-TERM RECOVERY ESPECIALLY DURING A HURRICANE EVENT.
04:00:48PM HOUSING NEEDS, AND WILL USE NEEDS.
04:00:51PM ECONOMIC RECOVERY.
04:00:52PM A MAJOR CATASTROPHIC HURRICANE HIT IN OUR AREA WILL TAKE
04:00:56PM YEARS IF NOT DECADES TO REBUILD FROM THAT.
04:00:59PM AND THAT STRATEGIC DIRECTION HOW WE WOULD REBUILD AND HOW
04:01:05PM QUICKLY TO MORE RESILIENCY.
04:01:09PM INFORM 100, 200 YEARS.
04:01:11PM A LOT OF OLD BUILDING.
04:01:12PM I LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
04:01:13PM I LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA AREA.
04:01:16PM I WAS ON PINE ISLAND, NEAR SANIBEL ISLAND.
04:01:19PM I COULDN'T YET THINK OF SOUTH TAMPA.
04:01:22PM ON THE ISLAND AND THE DEVASTATION.
04:01:26PM TAKE YEARS AN YEARS.
04:01:28PM A HUGE ROLE DURING THE RECOVERY AND WE HAVE ONE OTHER
04:01:32PM PROJECT KICKING OFF THIS YEAR.
04:01:34PM OUR POST DISASTER DEVELOPMENT PLANNING TO CAPTURE SOME OF
04:01:38PM CONCEPTS AND DIRECTIONS THAT WE WANT WHEN THAT CATASTROPHIC
04:01:42PM DAY HAPPENS AND WE HAVE.
04:01:43PM AND WE CAN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AFTER THE INCIDENT BUT AGAIN
04:01:46PM GETTING OUR DUCKING IN A ROW AND GETTING MORE PREPARED ON
04:01:49PM THE FRONT END WILL MAKE THINGS MUCH EASIER WHEN ONE OF THESE
04:01:56PM DISASTERS DOES HAPPEN HEIFER.
04:01:57PM AND SORRY, AND MITIGATION.
04:01:59PM THAT IS THE BIG ONE TOO.
04:02:00PM BLUE SKIES EVERY DAY.
04:02:02PM THE MORE INVESTMENT IN MITIGATION ACTIVITIES REDUCES OUR
04:02:05PM RISK TO BE IMPACTED BY EMERGENCIES.
04:02:07PM ONE OF THE BIG FEMA STATS THEY ALWAYS THROW OUT THERE.
04:02:10PM $1 IN MITIGATION SAVINGS $6 IN RESPONSE.
04:02:14PM WE HARDEN OUR FIRE STATIONS, POLICE DEPARTMENT, CRITICAL
04:02:19PM INFRASTRUCTURE.
04:02:19PM MAKES US MORE RESILIENT THAT WHEN THAT STORM COMES, LESS OF
04:02:26PM AN IMPACT TO US.
04:02:28PM ONE OTHER THING, THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS A SAFE, DOLLAR
04:02:34PM TO DOLLAR MATCH TO HARDEN THEIR HOMES IF THEY WANT TO
04:02:41PM RETROFIT THEIR WHICH DOES THAT IS A PROGRAM OUT THERE TELL
04:02:46PM AND SEND AN INSPECTOR OUT TO YOUR HOUSE FOR FREE AND GIVE
04:02:51PM YOU THE ANALYSIS OF HOW TO HARDEN IT AS WELL.
04:02:56PM THAT IS THE PRESENTATION.
04:02:57PM I WILL OPEN UP ANY QUESTIONS.
04:02:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
04:03:01PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, A GREAT PRESENTATIONS
04:03:03PM FOR THE COMMUNITY TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY, BUT IT
04:03:06PM DIDN'T GO INTO WHAT THE ACTUAL REQUEST FROM THIS COUNCIL.
04:03:09PM AND I AM GOING TO READ IT.
04:03:10PM IT SAID FOR STAFF TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE FOR RECOMMENDATION
04:03:15PM FOR CITY COUNCIL.
04:03:16PM IN ADDITION TO TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER CHANGES THAT
04:03:18PM MIGHT BE COMING PERTAINING TO PROTOCOL AND COMMUNICATION
04:03:24PM WITH.
04:03:25PM CITY COUNCIL TOURING EMERGENCY SITUATIONS.
04:03:28PM I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE PRESENTATION.
04:03:30PM >> HE WAS IN THE EPG SLIDE.
04:03:33PM FROM THE COMMUNICATION PIECE FROM THAT EXECUTIVE POLICY
04:03:36PM GROUP.
04:03:36PM AT MY LEVEL AND THE OPERATIONS LEVEL.
04:03:38PM I WON'T BE DIRECTLY COMMUNICATING TO CITY COUNCIL UNLESS
04:03:42PM DIRECTED BY CHIEF.
04:03:44PM CHIEF TRIPP OR THE MAYOR.
04:03:45PM BUT I HAVE THAT FROM EVERBRIDGE THAT WE CAN DIRECT THOSE
04:03:49PM DIRECT MESSAGES, BUT EPG AND ASSIGNMENT -- ANDREA ZELMAN WAS
04:03:54PM SPEAKING UP ABOUT TEXTING.
04:03:55PM WE WILL MAKE THAT A MORE FORMAL ROLE AS PART OF THE E PG,
04:03:59PM REGULAR UPDATES WILL BE COMING BEYOND OUR SITUATION REPORTS
04:04:02PM AND OTHER INFORMATION THAT WE PUSH OUT.
04:04:03PM BUT THE EPG ITSELF COMMUNICATES WITH CITY COUNCIL.
04:04:08PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: NEVER USED EPG AND NEVER COME DIRECTLY TO
04:04:12PM US.
04:04:12PM IF SOMETHING IS IN THE CITY AND COMING FROM THE MAYOR,
04:04:16PM COUNCIL IS SAYING WE WANT TO BE NOTIFIED THE SAME TIME THAT
04:04:22PM IS WHAT WE ARE ASKING.
04:04:22PM I DON'T SEE THAT IN THE PRESENTATION.
04:04:24PM I THINK COUNCIL IS SAYING WHEN IT IS HAPPENING, WE DON'T
04:04:27PM WANT TO HEAR FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS.
04:04:30PM WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING REAL TIME.
04:04:34PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: I CAN SAY WITH THIS LAST SITUATION THAT WE
04:04:37PM ARE IN THE PROCESS OF SPEAKING WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AS
04:04:40PM FAR AS THE NOTICE.
04:04:40PM I BELIEVE THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAD MENTIONED THAT SOME
04:04:45PM PEOPLE KNEW ABOUT PINELLAS COUNTY BEING EVACUATED AND WE
04:04:48PM WEREN'T FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
04:04:50PM WE WENT OVER TO DO A PRESS CONFERENCE, THAT IS WHEN WE FOUND
04:04:53PM OUT ABOUT IT.
04:04:54PM WE DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE IN THE PROCESS OF EVACUATING
04:04:58PM CERTAIN AREAS.
04:04:59PM WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF TALKING HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, WHEN
04:05:03PM THEY DECLARED A STATE OF EMERGENCY, WE ARE INVOLVED IN IT.
04:05:05PM WE DIDN'T GET INVOLVED IN THAT SITUATION, THE LAST SITUATION
04:05:10PM UNTIL THE 11th HOUR.
04:05:12PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT.
04:05:14PM I AM TALKING ABOUT TECO SHUTTING THE POWER DOWN.
04:05:17PM SOMEONE CALLED US.
04:05:19PM THEY ARE GOING TO SHUT THE POWER DOWN ON DAVIS ISLAND AND THE
04:05:22PM ISLANDS.
04:05:23PM I THOUGHT -- COUNCIL SHOULD KNOW IF THEY ARE GOING TO SHUT
04:05:26PM POWER DOWN TO THE CITY SOMEWHERE YOU EM.
04:05:31PM >> THAT WASN'T THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT SHUT DOWN THE POWER.
04:05:34PM IT WAS A TECO PREVENTIVE MEASURE.
04:05:38PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU KNEW ABOUT IT.
04:05:39PM >> THAT SITUATION -- WE DID, BUT THAT CAME VERY QUICKLY
04:05:42PM AFTER THE DECISION WAS ALREADY MADE BY TECO.
04:05:48PM AGAIN DYNAMIC SITUATION.
04:05:50PM HURRICANE COMING.
04:05:51PM INFORMATION CHANGING BY THE MINUTE.
04:05:53PM THAT SPECIFIC EXAMPLE.
04:05:56PM THE DECISION BY TECO AND WE MADE THE DECISION BY THE STATE.
04:06:01PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I UNDERSTAND THAT.
04:06:02PM BUT YOU ARE MISSING THE PIECE WE ARE SAYING.
04:06:04PM ARE WE GOING TO BE NOTIFIED THAT IT HAPPENED?
04:06:11PM THAT IS THE POINT I AM TRYING TO MAKE.
04:06:12PM WE ARE ALWAYS THE LAST TO KNOW EVERYTHING, BUT ONE OF THE
04:06:15PM FIRST CALLS THAT OUR CONSTITUENTS AND THE PUBLIC MAKE TO THE
04:06:20PM COUNCIL.
04:06:20PM THEY DON'T MAKE IT TO THE MAYOR.
04:06:22PM THEY MAKE IT TO US.
04:06:23PM THAT IS WHAT WE ARE SAYING.
04:06:24PM WE DON'T CARE OF THE -- WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE IN THE
04:06:29PM LOOP WHEN THOSE ORDERS ARE BEING MAILED.
04:06:31PM THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING.
04:06:35PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: WHAT YOU WE CAN DO WITH EVERBRIDGE AND
04:06:39PM WHENEVER WE GET SOMETHING, WE WILL PUSH IT OUT TO YOU ALL.
04:06:41PM NOW ONCE AGAIN, WHEN YOU SAY "NOTIFY YOU" YOU WANT US TO
04:06:46PM NOTIFY YOU I DON'T MEAN EVERYTHING THAT TAKES PLACE IN THE
04:06:53PM CITY.
04:06:53PM BUT IF IT IS AN EMERGENCY SITUATION, THEN WE WILL GO IT ON
04:06:58PM EVERBRIDGE AND NOTIFY THE CITY COUNCIL IS THE BEST WAY.
04:07:01PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: INVITED TO THE EOC BUILDING.
04:07:05PM THOUGHT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN AND THAT NEVER HAPPENED.
04:07:08PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: I HAVE THOUGHT IT WAS SOMETHING WITH THE
04:07:13PM SUNSHINE.
04:07:14PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAVE VIEWED OTHER PLACES.
04:07:15PM WE CAN TO WHATEVER WE WANT TO DO.
04:07:19PM AND NO REASON THAT THIS COUNCIL CAN'T GO OVER THERE.
04:07:22PM AND VIEW THAT PLACE TO SEE HOW IT OPERATES OVER THERE.
04:07:26PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: OKAY.
04:07:28PM JUST LET ME KNOW HOW THE RULES ARE, AND WE WILL MAKE IT
04:07:32PM HAPPEN.
04:07:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:07:35PM >>BILL CARLSON: THIS IS WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY TOO.
04:07:37PM I APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK YOU PUT INTO THIS, BUT IT
04:07:48PM DOESN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION.
04:07:50PM I TALKED TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF AT LUNCH.
04:07:52PM IF I MAKE A MOTION -- I DON'T KNOW ABOUT MY COLLEAGUES, IF I
04:07:56PM MAKE A MOTION OR MAYBE I WILL TAKE THE INITIATIVE OR MAYBE
04:07:59PM YOU ALL WILL TAKE THE INITIATIVE AND WE NEED A CONVERSATION
04:08:03PM BEFORE STAFF MAKES THE LONG PRESENTATION.
04:08:06PM MARY THE WHERE IT TOOK THREE MEET TO GET AN ANSWER.
04:08:11PM I THINK THIS MOTION WAS PRETTY SPECIFIC AS YOU JUST READ IT
04:08:15PM AGAIN.
04:08:15PM BUT -- AND HE THINKS MY MOTION ON THE INCINERATOR WAS.
04:08:23PM HE SPECIFIC.
04:08:28PM WE CAN EPLAIN WHAT THE INTENT WAS AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO
04:08:31PM PUT TOGETHER A LONG PRESENTATION LIKE THIS.
04:08:34PM TO ME, A MUCH SIMPLER ANSWER.
04:08:38PM ONE, A PROTOCOL THAT WE REACH OUT TO.
04:08:41PM I DON'T KNOW WHO THE STAFF PERSON MIGHT BE.
04:08:43PM I THINK IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE CHIEF OF STAFF PRESENTING OR
04:08:50PM YOU ALL CAN REACH OUT TO US.
04:08:52PM THE SECOND THING AND I THINK I DESCRIBED THIS ONE OR TWO
04:08:55PM TIMES AGO AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS.
04:08:57PM YOU KNOW, IF -- IF THERE IS A SHOOTING IN ONE OF OUR
04:09:02PM DISTRICTS, AT LEAST I DON'T GET A CALL ABOUT IT.
04:09:05PM I SEE -- NOW WE ARE ON THE PIO OF THE POLICE.
04:09:11PM SO WE ARE GETTING THAT
04:09:12PM WE ARE GETTING -- I THINK THE SAME THING FOR FIRE.
04:09:17PM WE ARE GETTING SOME UPDATES WHICH I APPRECIATE.
04:09:20PM SO -- AND THE PIO -- FIRE IS BETTER THAN POLICE, BUT A LOT
04:09:30PM OF SPIN GOING ON IN THERE TOO.
04:09:32PM WHEN WE NEED TO KNOW THE INFORMATION, WE NEED TO KNOW IT
04:09:35PM QUICKLY.
04:09:35PM THE OTHER THING IS -- I THINK A MATTER OF RESPECT.
04:09:39PM I WOULD LOOK AT THE COUNTY COMMISSION MAYBE MORE THAN THIS
04:09:43PM OF, BUT THING THERE IS A PRESUMPTION BECAUSE WE HAVE AN
04:09:48PM EXECUTIVE -- I AM NOT GOING TO USE THE TERM "STRONG MAYOR"
04:09:53PM ANYMORE.
04:09:53PM A EXECUTIVE AND A MAYOR RUNS THINGS THAT CITY COUNCIL GETS
04:09:59PM PUSHED ASIDE.
04:10:00PM THE HURRICANE, A GREAT CHANCE THAT MY DISTRICT WOULD BE
04:10:03PM COMPLETELY UNDER WATER.
04:10:04PM MY HOUSE WOULD BE WIPED OUT AND ALL MY NEIGHBORS WOULD GET
04:10:09PM WIPED OUT AND NOBODY REACHED OUT TO US ALL.
04:10:11PM WE BARELY GOT INFORMATION.
04:10:13PM ALL OF THIS WILL GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION, BUT
04:10:16PM IF WE WERE A COUNTY COMMISSION REMEMBER I THINK WE WOULD ALL
04:10:19PM GET EQUAL INFORMATION.
04:10:23PM MAYBE SOMETHING THAT THE MAYOR GETS THAT WE DON'T GET.
04:10:25PM FELT DISRESPECTFUL, FOR ONE, THAT WE DIDN'T GET ANY
04:10:30PM INFORMATION.
04:10:30PM NOBODY REACHED OUT TO TELL ME WHAT WAS GOING ON.
04:10:33PM NO PROTOCOL WHO WE COULD OF TALK TO.
04:10:37PM THE CHIEF OF STAFF TEXTED A COUPLE OF TIMES BUT NO
04:10:41PM SUBSEQUENT INFORMATION.
04:10:43PM WE ARE -- THE ROLE OF THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL ARE
04:10:46PM DIFFERENT, BUT ONE IS NOT LESS IMPORTANT AS THE OTHER.
04:10:49PM WE BOTH HAVE TO FUNCTION IN AN EMERGENCY.
04:10:53PM SITUATIONS LIKE COVID AND DEVASTATING HURRICANE, WE STILL
04:10:56PM HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO OPERATE THE CITY.
04:10:58PM AND I DON'T ACCEPT THAT WE JUST HAVE AN EXECUTIVE ORDER AND
04:11:04PM THE CITY COUNCIL IS PUSHED TO THE SIDE AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY
04:11:07PM ROLE ANYMORE.
04:11:08PM THIS DOESN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
04:11:10PM I HOPE CHIEF OF STAFF OR SOMEBODY WILL COME UP WHERE IT.
04:11:14PM AFTER THE NEXT HURRICANE, IF IT HAPPENS AGAIN, WE WILL HAVE
04:11:18PM THIS DISCUSSION AGAIN.
04:11:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
04:11:22PM >>LUIS VIERA: THIS IS VERY NARROWLY TAILORED.
04:11:25PM THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT AND ALL THE WORK THAT WENT IN.
04:11:28PM I KNOW ISSUES WHETHER IT WAS TAILORED TO THE REQUEST.
04:11:31PM ONE THING THAT I DO WANT TO MENTION IS VOLUNTEER SERVICES
04:11:35PM WERE BROUGHT UP.
04:11:36PM I -- I JUST, AGAIN -- NOT UNDER YOU ALL, BUT JUST GENERAL
04:11:41PM UNDER THE ADMINISTRATION, WHEN IT COMES TO SANDBAGS TO MAKE IT
04:11:46PM SURE IT GOES INTO VOLUNTEERS.
04:11:48PM I WAS AT A PARK DOING SAND BAGS WITH MY WIFE FOR TWO AND A
04:11:53PM HALF HOURS.
04:11:53PM IT WAS AWFUL.
04:11:56PM I DON'T MEAN ANY CRITIQUE, BUT THE CONDITIONS FOR PEOPLE
04:11:59PM THERE AND SO MANY PEOPLE AND NEIGHBORING GROUPS THROUGHOUT
04:12:02PM THE CITY OF TAMPA, ROADWAY CLUBS, SYNAGOGUES, MOSQUES,
04:12:08PM WHATEVER.
04:12:08PM AND TIME AND LISTEN AND LEGAL ISSUES WITH LIABILITY BECAUSE
04:12:16PM SOMEONE WILL CONSTRAIN THEIR BACK.
04:12:19PM GOD KNOWS THAT I DID.
04:12:20PM I WAS ACTUALLY TALKING TO A CITY WORKER TWO NIGHTS AGO WHO I
04:12:25PM REMEMBERED FROM THE SANDBAG THING.
04:12:27PM THAT IS ALL I WANT TO SAY.
04:12:29PM NOT FOR YOU NECESSARILY BUT THE ADMINISTRATION.
04:12:31PM NOW IS THE TIME TO START MAKING THOSE CONNECTIONS.
04:12:34PM IF I CAN BE OF ANY ASSISTANCE, GLAD TO HELP.
04:12:38PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: WE ARE --
04:12:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I APOLOGIZE.
04:12:41PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: NO, I APOLOGIZE.
04:12:43PM WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF PLANNING AHEAD BECAUSE WE ARE
04:12:45PM HAVING OUR FIRST -- IN MAY, WE ARE GOING TO DO LIKE A
04:12:50PM HURRICANE PREPAREDNESS TO GET PEOPLE PREPARED EARLY AND NOT
04:12:54PM WAIT UNTIL THE TIME COMES AND INFORMATION ABOUT SANDBAGS,
04:12:57PM HURRICANE KITS AND EVERYTHING AND HOW TO CONTINUE TO
04:13:00PM PREPARE.
04:13:01PM WE WILL HAVE A PLATFORM THAT IS CALLED WEB EOC AS WELL.
04:13:06PM WE WILL GIVE ACCESS AND SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT IS IN FLORIDA.
04:13:11PM IF YOU GUYS WANT TRAINING ON THAT.
04:13:13PM IF YOU TALK ABOUT MAKING YOU AWARE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN
04:13:15PM THE CITY.
04:13:16PM TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
04:13:17PM FIRE -- BECAUSE MY STAFF AND PIO SAID WE JUST HAD A FIRE
04:13:22PM LAST NIGHT AND ME HAVING A PAGE.
04:13:23PM A TYPICAL POT ON THE STOVE IN MINOR AND WE PUT A MEDIA ALERT
04:13:30PM OUT.
04:13:30PM WHEN IT COMES TO LAW ENFORCEMENT, THOSE PEOPLE TAKE PLACE
04:13:35PM CHIEF TRIPP WILL GET KNOWLEDGE OF THAT AS WELL.
04:13:37PM NATURAL DISASTERS AND SHUTDOWN FOR POWER IN A CERTAIN AREA,
04:13:41PM YOU KNOW, WE WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO CHANGE THE PROCESS
04:13:44PM FOR IMPLEMENT OR LOOK INTO A PROCESS WHEN SOMETHING COMES UP
04:13:50PM THAT IS CRITICAL THAT IS RELATED TO A NEIGHBORHOOD OR YOUR
04:13:54PM DISTRICT, YOU CAN SEND THAT INFORMATION OUT VIA CAN -- VIA
04:13:59PM EVERBRIDGE OR WANT THE WEB EOC.
04:14:03PM AND YOU CAN LOOK INTO THAT TO SEE WHAT IS GOING ON.
04:14:06PM BALLS I -- I UNDERSTAND THE MESSAGE.
04:14:08PM I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE PRESENTED HERE.
04:14:10PM BUT WE WERE TRYING TO SAY, AS FAR AS RECOMMENDATION AS FAR
04:14:14PM AS PREPAREDNESS, SAYING IF SOMETHING IS HAPPENING IN THE
04:14:16PM NEIGHBORHOOD OF NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU GUYS SHOULD BE NOTIFIED.
04:14:20PM YOU ARE RIGHT.
04:14:20PM TO WHAT LEVEL.
04:14:21PM DO YOU WANT TO KNOW EVERYTHING OR THE CLICK CAL STUFF.
04:14:25PM WE HAVE THINGS HAPPEN IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD 24-7.
04:14:27PM SO IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE KNOW 3:00 IN THE MORNING 4:00
04:14:32PM IN THE MORNING PAGED.
04:14:33PM ANY OF THAT STUFF.
04:14:34PM I WANT YOU TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR WITH US SO WE GIVE
04:14:37PM YOU GUYS THE CORRECT INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, OR THE
04:14:40PM NOTIFICATION.
04:14:40PM NOT THAT WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP YOU OUT OF WHAT IS GOING ON
04:14:43PM IN THE CITY, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD BE AWARE, ESPECIALLY IF IT
04:14:46PM INVOLVES YOUR COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW.
04:14:48PM BUT I DON'T WANT TO DISTURB YOU IN 2:00 IN THE MORNING FOR
04:14:53PM SOMETHING MINOR.
04:14:54PM IF YOU WANT TO KNOW ANYTHING THAT I -- MEANING I WILL, FIRE,
04:14:58PM IS INVOLVED WITH IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
04:14:59PM I HAVE NO PROBLEMS PROBLEM.
04:15:01PM WE CAN PUSH THAT INFORMATION OUT TOWARD WHAT WE USE --
04:15:05PM EVERBRIDGE OR WEB EOC AND MAKE IT AVAILABLE.
04:15:08PM DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING?
04:15:11PM >> ONE OTHER THING WITH WEB EOC.
04:15:13PM OUR INFORMATION PLATFORM.
04:15:15PM ASK FOR DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS CAPTURE OUT THERE.
04:15:21PM BUILD OUT A BOARD FOR CITY COUNCIL.
04:15:27PM WE TRANSPORTED ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY PATIENTS THROUGHOUT
04:15:33PM THE STORM.
04:15:33PM IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE TECO POWER AND HOW MANY RESIDENTS
04:15:40PM THAT IMPACTED.
04:15:41PM A DYNAMICALLY CHANGING SITUATION WHEN WE ARE IN THESE
04:15:44PM MOMENTS AND INFORMATION CHANGES EVERY MINUTE.
04:15:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:15:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK; I WOULD HONESTLY SAY I APPRECIATE IN AND I
04:15:51PM UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE ALL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE WAY THIS
04:15:54PM ALL WORKS.
04:15:54PM BUT I WOULD 100% SAY I WOULD RATHER HAVE MORE INFORMATION
04:15:58PM THAN LESS INFORMATION WHEN IT COMES TO THIS.
04:16:01PM BECAUSE I GOT A LOT OF COMPLAINTS -- NOT COMPLAINTS, BUT
04:16:07PM CONCERNS, BECAUSE THE PHONE LINE WAS BACKED UP.
04:16:11PM PEOPLE COULDN'T GET THROUGH.
04:16:13PM THEY WERE MESSAGING ME.
04:16:14PM THEY WERE MESSAGING OTHER FOLKS TRYING TO FIND THE
04:16:17PM INFORMATION.
04:16:18PM AND, YOU KNOW, IF I HAD THE INFORMATION, I COULD PASS IT
04:16:21PM ALONG.
04:16:21PM I MAY NOT KNOW EVERY ANSWER, BUT IF I KNOW A QUARTER OF THE
04:16:25PM ANSWERS, THAT IS A QUARTER FEWER PHONE CALLS.
04:16:28PM BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
04:16:30PM SO, YOU KNOW, AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR OTHERS.
04:16:34PM I WAS ON INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, FACEBOOK, EVERY -- FOLLOWING
04:16:38PM ALONG SO I CAN SEND THAT INFORMATION OUT.
04:16:40PM SO I APPRECIATE THAT AND THAT WAS GREAT TO SEND OUT TO
04:16:44PM PEOPLE.
04:16:44PM BUT TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE UNDERSTANDING FOR.
04:16:51PM OUR RESIDENTS THAT ARE CONTACTING US.
04:16:59PM THEY CONTACT US LIKE THE INFO LINE.
04:17:02PM WE ARE BASICALLY ANOTHER INFO LINE.
04:17:04PM TO FIGURE OUT THE LEVEL OF INFORMATION WE NEED TO KNOW,
04:17:07PM AGAIN, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE INFORMATION THAT WE BUT JUST,
04:17:10PM HEY, IN THE BACK OF OUR HEAD, WE KNOW THAT TECO IS THINKING
04:17:14PM OF CLOSING -- OR ONCE YOU GOT THAT NOTIFICATION, OH, TECO IS
04:17:18PM PLANNING ON CLOSING THIS.
04:17:20PM SO IF WE KNOW RESIDENTS ARE STILL IN A TOWER SOMEWHERE, WE
04:17:25PM CAN MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS KNOW THAT THEY AREN'T PLAYING.
04:17:29PM THAT THE POWER IS GOING OFF.
04:17:30PM SOMETIMES WE HAVE THAT RELATIONSHIP THAT YOU KNOW A PUBLIC
04:17:36PM SERVICE MESSAGE DOESN'T.
04:17:37PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: SOMETIMES TO BE HONEST WITH YOU LIKE WITH THE
04:17:42PM TECO, WE DON'T GET THAT MESSAGE TOO.
04:17:44PM YOU GUYS MAY HEAR SOMETHING OUT ON THE STREET THAT WE DON'T
04:17:47PM EVEN HEAR.
04:17:48PM WE HEAR IT MAYBE THE NEXT DAY OR HEAR IT ON THE NEWS OR
04:17:51PM SOMETHING.
04:17:51PM A LOT OF THE INFORMATION -- THAT'S WHY I SAID WE HAVE A
04:17:55PM LITTLE BIT MORE CLARIFICATION OF WHAT YOU EXPECT, WHAT YOU
04:17:58PM WANT.
04:17:58PM IF WE HAVE IT, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM SHARING IT WITH YOU.
04:18:01PM BUT I DON'T WANT TO YOU THINK WE ARE TRYING TO HOLD
04:18:04PM SOMETHING BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW TECO WAS CLOSING THIS DOWN
04:18:07PM UNTIL THE 11th HOUR.
04:18:09PM I WILL USE LIKE A TRAIN DERAILMENT OR SOMETHING.
04:18:12PM A LOT OF TIME THAT IS SOMETHING IF IT HAPPENED LOCALLY OR
04:18:16PM AFFECTED TRAFFIC COMING IN, WE MIGHT FIND OUT THROUGH OUR
04:18:19PM DISPATCH SYSTEM.
04:18:20PM YOU GUYS LET US KNOW WHAT YOU -- IF ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR,
04:18:24PM BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, IF WE GET THE INFORMATION, WE CAN SHARE
04:18:27PM IT.
04:18:27PM DON'T GET IT UNTIL THE 11th HOUR, YOU MAY HEAR FROM A
04:18:32PM CONSTITUENT -- THEY MIGHT KNOW MORE INFORMATION THAN WE DO.
04:18:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SURE.
04:18:37PM LIKE YOU SAID, A SITUATION LIKE A HURRICANE IS ALWAYS
04:18:40PM CHANGING.
04:18:40PM BUT I WOULD LOVE TO LEARN ABOUT THE EOC.
04:18:46PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: WEB EOC.
04:18:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS A WEB SITE.
04:18:50PM NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN GET ON WHY YOU ARE PHONE.
04:18:52PM >> AN URL YOU GO TO.
04:18:57PM IT IS IN THE CLOUD.
04:18:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE OTHERS BUT VALUABLE TO
04:19:02PM AT LEAST GET THE TRAINING FOR.
04:19:04PM SO IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN -- AGAIN, WE ARE
04:19:07PM THINKING OF A HURRICANE.
04:19:08PM BUT THE REALITY IS, WE ALSO HAVE THINGS THAT COULD POSSIBLY
04:19:11PM HAPPEN.
04:19:11PM WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE IS A MASS SHOOTING?
04:19:14PM WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE IS.
04:19:17PM WE JUST HAD THOSE TRAIN CARS THAT FELL OVER IN SARASOTA
04:19:21PM COUNTY.
04:19:21PM WHAT IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD HAPPEN HERE?
04:19:24PM HOW DO WE GET THE INFORMATION AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
04:19:26PM IF YOU WERE SAYING THE EOC.
04:19:28PM WEB EOC WAS A WAY TO DO THAT, I AM 100% TO TAKE A TRAINING
04:19:35PM AND LEARN HOW THAT WORKS.
04:19:36PM IS THAT A GOOD PLACE TO START?
04:19:39PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: BOTTOM LINE, TWO DIFFERENT SYSTEMS.
04:19:42PM STAFF GOES OUT AND HAVE A MEDIA ALERT PAGE.
04:19:46PM WE ARE USING THE MEDIA STUFF.
04:19:48PM WE DON'T GET THE REALTIME, WE GET THE AFTER NOTIFICATION.
04:19:52PM I HAVE A SHOOTING, I HAVE A BUNCH OF SHOOTINGS -- PEOPLE
04:19:55PM COULD MY HOUSE -- COUNCILMAN, A SHOOTING DOWN THE STREET.
04:19:59PM THERE IS A SHOOTING.
04:20:00PM I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THOSE SHOOTINGS BECAUSE MAJOR INCIDENTS
04:20:04PM IN THE CITY.
04:20:05PM IN A DISTRICT THAT WE HAVE, WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THESE
04:20:07PM THINGS.
04:20:08PM FIRE ARRIVES.
04:20:11PM I DON'T -- IF THERE IS A SHOOTING AT 15TH AND OSBORNE.
04:20:20PM ONE DEAD.
04:20:22PM SCENE IS SECURED.
04:20:23PM IF SOMEBODY CALLS ME.
04:20:25PM THE COMMUNITY IS SAFE THIS THEY ARE INVESTIGATING.
04:20:29PM SIMPLE THINGS.
04:20:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:20:31PM >>BILL CARLSON: REAL FAST.
04:20:34PM PART OF IS COMMUNICATION AND PART OF IT IS WHAT IS THE ROLE
04:20:38PM OF CITY COUNCIL IN COVID AND THE HURRICANE.
04:20:41PM THE FEEDBACK WE GOT, AN EXECUTIVE ORDER, EMERGENCY ORDER,
04:20:46PM THE MAYOR IS IN CHARGE.
04:20:48PM YOU ARE OUT -- YOU ARE UNPLUGGED.
04:20:51PM AND THERE HAS -- HAS TO BE A PROTOCOL FOR SOMETHING.
04:20:54PM WHAT HAPPENS IF SOUTH TAMPA -- I AM JUST -- WHAT HAPPENS IF
04:21:00PM DOWNTOWN OR SOUTH TAMPA IS WIPED OUT.
04:21:04PM WHERE DO WE GO WHAT ARE WE SPOKED TO DO.
04:21:07PM WHAT IS OUR ROLE?
04:21:08PM OUR HIGHER GROUND AND BE AVAILABLE IF SOMETHING HAPPENS.
04:21:11PM ARE WE SUPPOSE TO BE SHOVELING SAND.
04:21:16PM NO PROTOCOL.
04:21:17PM I AM NOT OF ASKING FOR THE ANSWER NOW, BUT THE THING I
04:21:21PM MENTIONED BEFORE WE FIRST BROUGHT THIS UP.
04:21:23PM A GROUP OF PR PEOPLE AND I DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE DROVE FROM
04:21:27PM THE MAYOR TO THE EOC BUILDING AND WENT ALL THE WAY TO
04:21:31PM BAYSHORE BOULEVARD GOT OFF OUT OF THE CAR WITH A DOG, TOOK
04:21:36PM THAT VIDEO AND EDITED IT AND POSTED IT ALL OVER THE INTERNET
04:21:40PM AND NONE OF US GOT A PHONE CALL FROM ANYBODY.
04:21:43PM AND OUR DISTRICTS WERE POTENTIALLY BEING DESTROYED.
04:21:47PM THAT THE POINT IS THAT CITY COUNCIL IS ONE OF TWO BRANCHES
04:21:56PM IN CHARTER AND THE GOVERNMENT AND WE NEED COMMUNICATION AND
04:22:01PM NOT THE SAME TEXT MESSAGES THAT EVERYBODY ELSE GETS.
04:22:03PM WE ARE RESPONSIBLE WHEN THESE THINGS ARE GOING ON.
04:22:06PM PEOPLE EXPECT UPS TO KNOW AND BE INVOLVED IN SOME WAY.
04:22:11PM THE EMERGENCY ORDER MAY PUT THE MAYOR IN CHARGE, IT DOESN'T
04:22:15PM MEAN WE SHOULDN'T BE COMMUNICATED AT ALL.
04:22:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:22:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IS THERE A WAY TO BE ON.
04:22:24PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: A STAFF PAGE THAT GOES OUT TO ALL
04:22:28PM ADMINISTRATORS.
04:22:29PM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
04:22:31PM THEY WILL SEND OUT A MEDIA CALL.
04:22:34PM SEND THAT OUT.
04:22:36PM BUT FOR ALL CITY TYPE LEVEL EXECUTIVES AND STAFF IT GOES
04:22:42PM OUT.
04:22:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK: COULD WE GET ON THAT?
04:22:46PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT PAGE.
04:22:48PM THE ONLY PAGE IS WHAT IS WITH TAMPA FIRE RESCUE.
04:22:52PM I DON'T GET A PAGE EVERY TIME A CALL COMES OUT.
04:22:55PM I GET A PAGE.
04:22:56PM DIFFERENT CODES I GET A PAGE ON.
04:22:58PM A STRUCTURE FIRE.
04:22:59PM IF IT IS A WORKING STRUCTURE FIRE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE SO
04:23:02PM MANY -- WHEN I SAY STAFF, IF IT IS A SECOND-ALARM FIRE, WE
04:23:06PM NEED STAFF THERE.
04:23:07PM THIRD ALARM.
04:23:08PM THOSE ARE THE PAGES I GET.
04:23:10PM EVERY CALL -- RERUN CLOSE TO 100,000 CALLS AND WE GET THEM
04:23:15PM ALL THE TIME.
04:23:16PM I DON'T GET ALL THOSE PAGES.
04:23:19PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I KNOW A GENERAL EXECUTIVE PAGE.
04:23:24PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: I AM NOT ON THAT ONE.
04:23:27PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: CUSTOMARY WITH A STAFF PAGE.
04:23:30PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT A STAFF PAGE.
04:23:32PM PAGES I GET FROM MY ADMINISTRATION CERTAIN GROUP PAGES FOR
04:23:38PM PEOPLE TO BE ON THERE FOR AWARENESS.
04:23:40PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: CORRECT.
04:23:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU INQUIRE ABOUT THAT TRIM TRIPP INQUIRE
04:23:45PM ABOUT THE PAGES?
04:23:46PM MY PAGE?
04:23:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE WE NEED CHIEF OF STAFF
04:23:50PM HERE TO ANSWER -- TO FIND OUT WHAT -- IF THERE IS ALREADY A
04:23:54PM PAGE SYSTEM THAT GOES OUT TO KIND OF JUST DOES EMERGENCIES,
04:23:59PM WE SHOULD PROBABLY BE ON THAT INSTEAD OF GETTING THE MEDIA
04:24:02PM ALERTS.
04:24:03PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE MEDIA ALERTS TOO.
04:24:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BOTH.
04:24:09PM OFTEN THE MEDIA ALERTS HAPPEN AFTER.
04:24:12PM I USUALLY SEE THEM ON SOCIAL MEDIA BEFORE I GET THE E-MAIL.
04:24:19PM >>BILL CARLSON: CITY COUNCIL IS INVITED AND THE MEETING WAS
04:24:22PM TWO HOURS AGO.
04:24:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO --
04:24:30PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MAYBE SHE --
04:24:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK: DO WE WANT TO HAVE ANY FURTHER MOTION ON
04:24:35PM THIS?
04:24:35PM OR LEAVE IT WHERE IT IS.
04:24:36PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MISS ZELMAN IS HERE.
04:24:40PM SHE IS THE ATTORNEY.
04:24:41PM MAYBE SHE CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION.
04:24:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: CHIEF TRIPP, PLEASE DON'T LEAVE.
04:24:48PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: ANDREA ZELMAN, CITY ATTORNEY.
04:24:49PM ONLY THING I CAN ADD THAT HURRICANE IAN WAS THE FIRST
04:24:54PM EMERGENCY THAT OCCURRED AFTER I BECAME CITY ATTORNEY.
04:24:58PM I SENSE AN IMPLICATION HERE THAT THERE ARE THINGS THE MAYOR
04:25:04PM KNEW THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW.
04:25:05PM I DIDN'T SEE ANY OF THAT.
04:25:07PM YOU KNOW, WE LIVE IN A TIME NOW WHERE WITH TWITTER AND
04:25:12PM SOCIAL MEDIA AND ALL THAT, NEWS IS COMING AT US FAST AND
04:25:15PM FURIOUS.
04:25:16PM THE INFORMATION I SAW -- AND I WAS OF I WAS GETTING THINGS
04:25:21PM FROM JOHN.
04:25:21PM I AM ON WEB EOC DURING AN EMERGENCY.
04:25:25PM I WAS AT THE EOC DURING THE HURRICANE.
04:25:29PM I WAS TEXTING WITH THE CHIEF OF STAFF.
04:25:31PM THEN AT THE EOC, I WAS THERE WITH EVERYONE.
04:25:35PM WE WERE GETTING THE INFORMATION AND IMMEDIATELY PUSHING IT
04:25:37PM OUT TO YOU ALL.
04:25:38PM ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CHIEF BENNETT AND I DID.
04:25:41PM TO MAKE SURE WE WERE KEEPING CITY COUNCIL UP TO DATE.
04:25:45PM THE SUGGESTION ALL IN INFORMATION THAT THE MAYOR IS PRIVY
04:25:50PM TOO ISN'T TRUE.
04:25:51PM IT JUST ISN'T TRUE.
04:25:54PM WE WERE PUSHING OUT THE INFORMATION AS WE WERE GETTING IT.
04:25:56PM THE CITY DOESN'T MAKE THE DECISION TO EVACUATE.
04:26:00PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY DOES.
04:26:01PM AS SOON AS HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT
04:26:03PM EVACUATION, WE STARTED PUSHING THAT INFORMATION TO YOU GUYS.
04:26:06PM OTHER PEOPLE WERE PUSHING IT OUT TO THE MEDIA.
04:26:08PM AS JOHN SAID, IT WAS DYNAMIC, FLUID, HAPPENING.
04:26:13PM SO I AM STRUGGLING WITH THE SUGGESTION THAT THERE WAS
04:26:18PM INFORMATION BEING WITHHELD FROM ANY OF YOU.
04:26:21PM I EXPECT SPEAK TO SHOOTINGS OR FIRES OR WHATEVER.
04:26:24PM I AM NOT PRIVY TO ALL THAT, BUT I CAN SPEAK TO HOW THE
04:26:28PM HURRICANE EMERGENCY PLAYED OUT, BECAUSE I WAS THERE.
04:26:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:26:38PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST FINAL.
04:26:40PM FINAL THOUGHTS.
04:26:41PM THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
04:26:42PM IT -- I -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT I AM NOT GETTING -- I AGREE.
04:26:47PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THAT IS WHAT I AM TRYING TO TELL YOU,
04:26:50PM NOTHING THAT YOU ARE NOT GETTING.
04:26:51PM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU AND CHIEF OF STAFF AND GINA AFTER WE
04:26:54PM TALKED ABOUT THIS DURING COVID AND BLM -- DURING BLM BEGGING
04:27:01PM FOR UPDATES AND WE DIDN'T GET THEM.
04:27:03PM A LOT HAS CHANGED.
04:27:04PM IT HAS GOTTEN BETTER.
04:27:07PM ALSO TWO-WAY COMMUNICATION AND WE NEED A PROTOCOL FOR THAT.
04:27:11PM THE BIGGEST THING I AM ASKING FOR, WAS THE PROTOCOL -- I
04:27:16PM IMAGINE IF A STORM COMES, SOME INSTRUCTION OVERLAYING THAT
04:27:20PM THE MAYOR GETS WHISKED AWAY TO THIS BUILDING.
04:27:24PM AND THEN SHE IS SUPPOSED TO DO SOMETHING.
04:27:26PM WE DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO.
04:27:29PM SOME PEOPLE WENT AND BAGGED SAND.
04:27:32PM SHOP TO EVACUATE.
04:27:33PM I AM NOT TRYING TO ANSWER IT RIGHT NOW, BUT NO PROTOCOL AT
04:27:37PM ALL FOR CITY COUNCIL.
04:27:38PM NO ONE KNOWS WHAT TO DO.
04:27:39PM EVERYBODY JUST MAKES IT UP.
04:27:41PM WHAT IS THE ROLE.
04:27:42PM SHOULD WE BE SITTING OUT THERE HELPING YOU -- HELPING PEOPLE
04:27:46PM GET OUT OF THEIR HOUSES WHEN THERE IS FLOODING?
04:27:49PM OR STAY OUT OF THE WAY OF THE FIRE RESCUE PEOPLE?
04:27:53PM SO ANYWAY, SOME OTHER TIME IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO ANSWER
04:27:57PM IT, WE CAN GET IT.
04:27:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
04:28:07PM THANK YOU BOTH FOR THIS REPORT.
04:28:08PM AND AS MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID, WE NEED TO KNOW INFORMATION.
04:28:14PM BUT THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE HAVE TO TAKE THE INITIATIVES
04:28:19PM OURSELVES.
04:28:19PM WHEN THIS CITY SHUT DOWN FOR IAN, THIS COUNCILMEMBER WANTED
04:28:24PM TO KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON CONSTANTLY.
04:28:26PM SO, YES, I WENT FROM GOING AND SHOVELING SAND OVER 200 BAGS
04:28:32PM FOR THE RESIDENTS SO THEY CAN BE PROTECTED IN THEIR HOMES.
04:28:35PM AFTER THAT, I TOOK THE NEGOTIATE I HAVE IT TO ASK TO BE AT
04:28:44PM THE EOC WRITE SAW CITY STAFF UP 24-7.
04:28:48PM FROM THERE I WENT TO ROLL CALLS AT RAYMOND JAMES STADIUM.
04:28:53PM NEXT DAY I WENT OUT AND DID THE SAME THING.
04:28:56PM OUR CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO TAKE INITIATIVES ALSO, BUT WE NEED
04:29:01PM INFORMATION.
04:29:01PM THANK YOU, BOTH.
04:29:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9, FILE NUMBER CM
04:29:18PM 22-77965.
04:29:19PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: MORRIS MASSEY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
04:29:21PM YOU RECEIVED A MEMO AND DRAFT ORDINANCE IN RESPONSE TO
04:29:24PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S MOTION REGARDING CODIFYING THE HONORARY
04:29:29PM NAMING PROCESS CONTAINED IN AN EXECUTIVE ORDER ISSUED BY TH
04:29:34PM MAYOR.
04:29:34PM THIS DRAFT ORDINANCE IS INTENDED TO DO THAT AND DRAFT
04:29:39PM ORDINANCE BY COUNCIL TO PROPOSE OF NAMING CITY BUILDINGS,
04:29:43PM PARKS, ROOMS, THAT SORT OF THING ON THE SAME BASIS.
04:29:48PM I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON WHERE HE
04:29:51PM SUGGESTED SOME ADDITIONAL CRITERIA BE ADDED AND ALSO COME UP
04:29:55PM WITH A PUBLIC NOTICE PROCESS SO EVERYONE IS AWARE WHEN AN
04:29:59PM APPLICATION IS MADE SO COMMENTS CAN BE SUBMITTED WHETHER
04:30:03PM THROUGH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE OR DIRECTLY TO YOU ALL.
04:30:05PM I AM HAPPY TO START WORKING ON THAT AND COME FORWARD, I
04:30:08PM WOULD SUGGEST, ON APRIL 6 WITH THE REVISED ORDINANCE
04:30:12PM ADDRESSING THE POINT.
04:30:14PM AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
04:30:17PM >>BILL CARLSON: SO MOVED.
04:30:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:30:22PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE MOTION WOULD BE TO ASK LEGAL TO BRING
04:30:26PM BACK ON APRIL 6 FOR FIRST READING AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD
04:30:30PM INCLUDE THE TWO SMALL AMENDMENTS THAT HE -- THAT MORRIS JUST
04:30:37PM DISCUSSED.
04:30:38PM ONE WOULD INCLUDE PUBLIC NOTICE TO GET PUBLIC FEEDBACK
04:30:45PM BEFORE -- BEFORE MAKING THE FINAL DECISION AND THE OTHER ONE
04:30:49PM WILL BE JUST SOME ADDITIONAL CRITERIA FOR SCREENING TO MAKE
04:30:53PM SURE WE HAD THE RIGHT CANDIDATE.
04:30:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
04:30:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:30:59PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
04:31:01PM ALL IN FAVOR --
04:31:03PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT YOU
04:31:06PM KNOW, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PEOPLE WHO DO GOOD WORK.
04:31:10PM IN THE PAST, THE GOOD WORK OVERSHADOWED OF SOMETHING THAT
04:31:16PM WAS DONE 34 YEARS AGO.
04:31:18PM I JUST DON'T WANT TO SAY SOMEONE DID SOMETHING AND SOMEONE
04:31:23PM IS IT DISCREDITED --
04:31:26PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: BE COUNCILMAN GUDES.
04:31:28PM I UNDERSTAND THAT.
04:31:29PM WHAT THIS ORDINANCE PROVIDES FOR ACTUALLY IS THERE MAY BE
04:31:32PM EXCEPTIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE TO THE CRITERIA.
04:31:35PM WHAT IT CALLS FOR, IF THERE NEEDS TO BE AN EXCEPTION, BOTH
04:31:39PM YOU ALL AND THE MAYOR BOTH HAVE TO AGREE TO MAKE THAT
04:31:43PM EXCEPTION THAT IS SET UP TO SAY IF SOMEBODY MEETS THE
04:31:49PM CRITERIA IT AUTOMATICALLY COMES TO YOU ALL.
04:31:51PM IF YOU MADE THE MOTION AND GOES TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE OR THE
04:31:54PM MAYOR WANTS TO HAVE IT DONE AND NEITHER PARTY STOPS IT.
04:31:58PM IF SOMEONE WANTS TO NAME SOMETHING OUT OF SOMEBODY AND THIS
04:32:01PM PERSON DOESN'T MEET THE CRITERIA IN THE ORDINANCE, BOTH OF
04:32:06PM YOU HAVE TO AGREE TO THAT.
04:32:08PM THAT IS BASICALLY HOW IT IS SET UP.
04:32:10PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
04:32:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
04:32:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:32:15PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
04:32:17PM ALL IN FAVOR.
04:32:18PM ANY OPPOSED.
04:32:19PM MOTION PASSES.
04:32:21PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:32:24PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST QUICK COMMENT TO THANK MORRIS AND
04:32:28PM ANDREA AND THE MAYOR AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO IS INVOLVED IN
04:32:32PM THIS.
04:32:32PM THEY ARE -- AT LEAST I AM HAVING A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS
04:32:39PM BEHIND THE SCENES TO MAKE SURE WE CAN ALL FORGE A NEW PATH
04:32:42PM GOING FORWARD.
04:32:42PM AND I THINK LEGAL -- THERE IS A NEW ATTITUDE IN LEGAL THAT
04:32:46PM HAS BEEN MORE COLLABORATIVE AND CREATIVE IN SOLUTION MAKING.
04:32:50PM AND WE WENT -- IF YOU LOOK WHERE WE STARTED ON THIS AND
04:32:53PM WHERE WE ENDED AT LEAST FOR RIGHT NOW, IT IS LIGHT YEARS
04:32:57PM AHEAD OF WHERE WE ARE.
04:32:57PM I THINK THE SOLUTION THAT YOU ALL CAME UP WITH IS A GOOD
04:33:01PM ONE.
04:33:01PM NOT PERFECT FOR EITHER SIDE, BUT IT IS A GREAT -- GREAT AND
04:33:05PM CREATIVE SOLUTION SO THANK YOU.
04:33:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO?
04:33:21PM UNDERSTOOD.
04:33:23PM >> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10, FILE NUMBER CW 22-74623.
04:33:31PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: ANDREA ZELMAN, CITY ATTORNEY.
04:33:37PM SO THIS IS MY RESPONSE TO THE MOTION REGARDING THE REQUEST
04:33:44PM THAT I PREPARE -- ORIGINALLY FOR A DRAFT ORDINANCE REGARDING
04:33:49PM NOTICE OF NOTICE TO CITY COUNCIL OF CIVIL RIGHTS
04:33:55PM INVESTIGATIONS OR OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT INVESTIGATIONS OF
04:33:58PM THE CITY OF TAMPA.
04:33:59PM AND I HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON
04:34:07PM PLANNED SHELBY YESTERDAY, BUT SINCE ALL OF YOU WEREN'T PRIVY
04:34:11PM -- YOU DO HAVE FOUR.
04:34:12PM I LOOKED UP AND THERE WERE A LOT OF BLANK SPACES.
04:34:15PM I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE SOME OF THE POINTS THAT WE
04:34:19PM DISCUSSED.
04:34:19PM AND THAT IS THAT AS A GENERAL RULE, WHEN PEOPLE -- OR IN
04:34:25PM THIS CASE THE CITY OF TAMPA IS THE SUBJECT OF AN
04:34:28PM INVESTIGATION, MOST LEGAL COUNCIL, CRISIS MANAGEMENT TEAMS
04:34:34PM OR WHATEVER WILL ADVISE THAT PERSON OR IN THIS CASE THAT
04:34:38PM ENTITY TO NOT DISCUSS IT IN PUBLIC.
04:34:41PM YOU DON'T DO THAT FOR SEVERAL REASONS.
04:34:43PM YOU DON'T WANT TO LITIGATE THE CASE IN PUBLIC, DISCLOSING
04:34:48PM THE FACT THAT THERE IS AN INVESTIGATION COULD JEOPARDIZE THE
04:34:54PM LITIGATION OR POTENTIAL LITIGATION ARISING FROM THE SUBJECT
04:34:57PM MATTER.
04:34:58PM YOU DON'T WANT TO INADVERTENTLY SAY SOMETHING THAT CAN BE
04:35:02PM USED AGAINST YOU OR IN THIS CASE AGAINST THE CITY.
04:35:05PM AND THIS COULD IMPACT THE INVESTIGATION.
04:35:07PM AND, OF COURSE, YOU HAVE TO BALANCE OUR DESIRE FOR
04:35:12PM TRANSPARENCY AND DESIRE FOR CONDUCTING GOVERNMENT IN THE
04:35:17PM SUNSHINE AGAINST THESE REASONS THAT WHEN IT COMES TO
04:35:20PM INVESTIGATIONS, THE PREFERENCE IS TO MAINTAIN
04:35:23PM CONFIDENTIALITY.
04:35:24PM AND IN THE INSTANCE THAT DROVE THIS MOTION AND THIS REQUEST,
04:35:33PM AGAIN, AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, IN DECEMBER OF 2021, THE
04:35:38PM DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE SENT A LETTER TO THE CITY NOTIFYING
04:35:42PM THE CITY THAT IT WAS GOING TO INVESTIGATE THE FORMER
04:35:46PM CRIME-FREE -- MULTIFAMILY HOUSING PROGRAM FOR POSSIBLE CIVIL
04:35:51PM RIGHTS VIOLATIONS AND AT THE TIME, THE CITY OBTAINED OUTSIDE
04:36:01PM COUNSEL.
04:36:01PM AN ATTORNEY IN WASHINGTON WHO IS WORKING ON THIS CASE AND
04:36:04PM HIS ADVICE TO THE MAYOR AT THAT TIME WAS WHAT I JUST SAID.
04:36:08PM YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT IT PUBLICLY AND DON'T LITIGATE IF IN
04:36:13PM PUBLIC, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
04:36:15PM AS A RESULT, THE ONLY PEOPLE IN THE CITY THAT WERE AWARE
04:36:19PM THAT THE CITY RECEIVED THE LETTER WERE THOSE THAT HAD TO
04:36:21PM KNOW.
04:36:22PM THE LETTER INCLUDED A REQUEST FOR INFORMATION SO THERE WAS A
04:36:25PM TEAM THAT HAD TO ASSEMBLE THAT INFORMATION.
04:36:28PM I WAS NOT PRIVY TO THAT INFORMATION.
04:36:31PM I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT UNTIL MONTHS LATER WHEN IT ENDED UP
04:36:39PM BECOMING PUBLIC.
04:36:39PM I WILL NOTE THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAS A WRITTEN
04:36:43PM POLICY NOT ANNOUNCING INVESTIGATIONS.
04:36:46PM THEY HAVE SOME LIMITED EXCEPTIONS WHEN THEY DO, BUT
04:36:52PM GENERALLY THEIR POLICY NOT TO ANNOUNCE THAT THEY ARE
04:36:54PM CONDUCTING AN INVESTIGATION AND THEY DIDN'T IN THIS CASE.
04:36:59PM THEY NEVER PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED THEY ARE INVESTIGATING THE
04:37:02PM CITY OF TAMPA.
04:37:02PM IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR POLICIES, SOME OF THE REASONS THEY GIVE
04:37:06PM ARE THE SAME WHAT I SAID, BUT THEY ALSO POINT OUT IT COULD
04:37:10PM MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO GET COOPERATION FROM A
04:37:13PM WITNESS IF THAT WIT SEASONS AWARE THERE IS A BIG
04:37:19PM INVESTIGATION GOING ON AND THEY ALSO JUST DON'T WANT TO
04:37:22PM PREJUDICE THE OUTCOME.
04:37:24PM ANOTHER FACTOR YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN IT COMES TO THE
04:37:27PM CITY IS PUBLICITY SURROUNDING THE SITUATION CAN IMPACT OUR
04:37:36PM CREDIT RATINGS AND MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO BORROW MONEY.
04:37:39PM THE POINT BEING NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY OF
04:37:46PM TAMPA THAT THE CITY IS UNDER AN INVESTIGATION SUCH AS THIS
04:37:48PM ONE.
04:37:52PM THE ISSUE I WAS GRAPPLING WITH, THIS COUNCIL'S REQUEST TO BE
04:37:58PM MADE AWARE AND HOW DO WE BALANCE THAT AGAINST THE NEED TO
04:38:00PM MAINTAIN CONFIDENTIALITY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
04:38:04PM AND I WILL ALSO NOTE YOU HAVE RULES IN RULES OF PROCEDURES
04:38:12PM OF NOT DISCUSSING IN A PUBLIC MEETING PENDING LITIGATION AND
04:38:17PM SOMETHING THAT MAY RESULT IN LITIGATION AND THE WORST-CASE
04:38:20PM SCENARIO AT THE END OF THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS FOR THE
04:38:24PM CITY BEING SUED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.
04:38:26PM OF COURSE, WE HOPE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, BUT THAT IS WHAT IS
04:38:30PM THE ENDING OF THAT PROCESS SHOULD THEY FIND REASON TO
04:38:35PM BELIEVE WE VIOLATED FEDERAL STATUTES.
04:38:38PM AGAIN, JUST AS WITH OUR GENERAL -- YOUR VIEW ABOUT NOT
04:38:43PM DISCUSSING PENDING LITIGATION OR THINGS THAT MAY RESULT IN
04:38:47PM LITIGATION, WE SUGGEST, YOU KNOW, HAVING ONE ON ONE
04:38:50PM CONVERSATIONS RATHER THAN ANNOUNCING IT AT A PUBLIC MEETING.
04:38:54PM SO THE PROCESS THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND MR. SHELBY AND I
04:39:05PM DISCUSSED WE THINK IS A WORKABLE COMPROMISE AND WE HOPE THAT
04:39:09PM YOU ALL AGREE.
04:39:09PM IN THE EVENT THAT THE CITY IS NOTIFIED AGAIN.
04:39:13PM AS I TOLD BOTH OF THEM, THIS IS REALLY FORWARD LOOKING.
04:39:16PM YOU KNOW, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE CITY HAS HAD TWO
04:39:22PM INVESTIGATIONS.
04:39:22PM ONE PER DECADE.
04:39:24PM THE LAST DECADE AND THIS DECADE AND HOPEFULLY BY THE TIME IF
04:39:28PM EVER THE CITY IS THE SUBJECT OF AN INVESTIGATION AGAIN, WE
04:39:31PM WILL ALL BE LONG GONE.
04:39:32PM ANY EVENT, SHOULD THAT HAPPEN AGAIN, THE PROCESS WOULD BE
04:39:37PM THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE -- IF THE MAYOR WANTS TO
04:39:43PM PARTICIPATE, SHE OR HE CAN, BUT PROBABLY SHOULD BE THE CITY
04:39:47PM ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WOULD HAVE ONE ON ONE MEETING WITH THE
04:39:50PM INDIVIDUAL COUNCILMEMBERS.
04:39:51PM AND THEN WOULD EXPLAIN THE NEED FOR CONFIDENTIALITY AND ALL
04:39:56PM THE REASONS I JUST DESCRIBED AND ASK THE COUNCIL MEMBER TO
04:40:02PM ASSIGN SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT ACKNOWLEDGING THEIR DUTY TO
04:40:06PM PROTECT THE INTEREST OF THE CITY OF TAMPA AND NOT DISCLOSE
04:40:08PM THE EXISTENCE OF THE INVESTIGATION IN ORDER TO BE ADVISE
04:40:12PM THAT THERE IS, IN FACT, AN INVESTIGATION.
04:40:15PM AND THE CONCEPT THAT WE DISCUSSED WOULD BE OUTLYING THIS
04:40:19PM PROCESS IN A RESOLUTION THAT COUNCIL WOULD ADOPT.
04:40:22PM AND THERE WOULD BE AN A COMPANION, EXECUTIVE ORDER OF THE
04:40:27PM MAYOR AGREEING TO THIS PROCESS.
04:40:29PM AND I DID RUN THIS BY HER.
04:40:31PM AND SHE WAS AMENABLE TO THAT.
04:40:34PM SO, AGAIN, IN OUR DISCUSSION, WE CAME UP WITH THIS PROPOSAL
04:40:39PM AS BEING SOMETHING THAT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY
04:40:47PM AND IN THE INTEREST OF TRANSPARENCY FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
04:40:51PM THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
04:40:53PM AGAIN, FACTORS WE WOULD NEED TO WORK IN THERE.
04:40:56PM WE CAN'T IN ANY WAY USE THIS AS A WAY TO AVOID ANY OTHER
04:41:01PM OBLIGATIONS WE MAY HAVE UNDER PUBLIC RECORDS LAW OR SUNSHINE
04:41:06PM LAW, BUT TO THE EXTENT THERE IS AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION,
04:41:12PM THE PUBLIC RECORDS LAW DO RECOGNIZE EXEMPTIONS IN MANY CASES
04:41:18PM DEPENDING ON THE FACTS.
04:41:19PM DEPENDING ON WHERE IN THE INVESTIGATION THE PROCESS IS IN.
04:41:22PM THIS IS NOT NOVEL.
04:41:23PM AND, AGAIN, THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL RULE THAT IT
04:41:27PM JUST GENERALLY IS NOT A GOOD IDEA TO PUBLICLY DISCUSS AN
04:41:32PM INVESTIGATION WHILE IT IS HAPPENING.
04:41:33PM FINALLY I WOULD NOTE THAT THE INVESTIGATION I REMEMBER TO
04:41:39PM EARLIER IS STILL UNDER WAY.
04:41:42PM AS I MENTIONED AT AN EARLIER MEETING, WE DON'T GET
04:41:50PM INFORMATION ON HOW IT IS GOING OR WHAT THEY ARE FINDING OR
04:41:53PM ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
04:41:55PM IT IS ONGOING.
04:41:56PM AND THAT IS REALLY AS MUCH AS WE KNOW ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW.
04:42:01PM WITH THAT, MR. CARLSON?
04:42:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:42:07PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO SAY THE SAME THING AS THE LAST
04:42:10PM ONE.
04:42:10PM THANK YOU AND THE MAYOR AND EVERYBODY ELSE BEING THOUGHTFUL
04:42:14PM AND COMING UP WITH WHAT I THINK IS A GOOD SOLUTION.
04:42:16PM NO SOLUTION FOR THE MOST PART IS PERFECT, BUT THIS IS A
04:42:26PM REALLY GOOD SOLUTION.
04:42:27PM IF SOMETHING SERIOUS OR SOMETHING THAT COULD HAPPEN THAT
04:42:30PM WILL AFFECT OUR DECISION-MAKING ABILITY, WE NEED TO BE AWARE
04:42:34PM OF IT.
04:42:34PM AND GREAT SOLUTION YOU COME UP WITH.
04:42:36PM BARRING ANY OBJECTIONS, I WOULD I THINK DO THE SAME THING IN
04:42:42PM THE LAST ONE TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE YOU COME BACK.
04:42:44PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO MOVED.
04:42:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND A
04:42:50PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
04:42:52PM >>BILL CARLSON: I NEED TO SET A DATE A RESOLUTION UP STEAD
04:43:01PM OF ON ORDINANCE.
04:43:04PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: PERSONAL PREFERENCE NOT APRIL 6.
04:43:07PM AND THE WEEK OF PASSOVER AND GOOD FRIDAY.
04:43:09PM A DIFFICULT WEEK OF.
04:43:12PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT DATE WOULD YOU LIKE?
04:43:15PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: WHATEVER THE NEXT MEETING AFTER THAT.
04:43:16PM >>BILL CARLSON: TO RETURN ON APRIL 20 WITH A RESOLUTION FOR
04:43:23PM APPROVAL.
04:43:23PM [INAUDIBLE]
04:43:40PM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH.
04:43:41PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THE 20st?
04:43:53PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE 20th.
04:43:54PM OKAY.
04:43:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:44:00PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
04:44:02PM ALL IN FAVOR.
04:44:03PM OPPOSE?
04:44:05PM MOTION PASSES.
04:44:06PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THANK YOU.
04:44:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY, YOU WANT TO BRIEFLY DISCUSS
04:44:15PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12?
04:44:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
04:44:30PM MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
04:44:32PM BRIEFLY, COUNCIL.
04:44:34PM I'M PREPARING THE DRAFT ORDINANCE BASED ON COUNCIL'S MOTION,
04:44:39PM BUT I WOULD LIKE SOME CLARIFICATION, COUNCIL.
04:44:41PM BECAUSE THE MOTION IS VERY SPECIFIC TO CHAPTER 119, THAT IS
04:44:45PM THE PUBLIC RECORDS AM LAW.
04:44:48PM ALSO THE MOTION MENTIONS RECOMMENDATIONS ON PRIVATE
04:44:52PM LIABILITY INSURANCE.
04:44:53PM WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION IN THE PAST.
04:44:55PM I PREPARED A MEMO, COUNCIL.
04:44:57PM AND I AM ASKING FOR A -- A SHORT CONTINUANCE TO MAKE
04:45:00PM REVISIONS TO THIS ORDINANCE BASED UPON A RECOMMENDATION
04:45:04PM REGARDING THE FUNDING SOURCE AND EXPANDING THE SCOPE BEYOND
04:45:09PM PUBLIC RECORDS TO INCLUDE CIVIL ACTIONS AND ALLEGATIONS OF
04:45:14PM CODE OF ETHICS VIOLATIONS.
04:45:16PM MY RECOMMENDATION TO FUND THIS -- HAVE IT BE FUNDED THROUGH
04:45:21PM A RISK MANAGEMENT FUND PROVIDE BY THE CITY AND CIVIL ACTIONS
04:45:26PM OF OFFICIAL DUTIES THAT PERFORM A PUBLIC SERVICE AND
04:45:30PM RECOVERY OF LEGAL EXPENSES AS PROVIDED BY STATE LAW.
04:45:33PM THAT IS MY RECOMMENDATION.
04:45:34PM >> SO MOVED.
04:45:37PM >> SECOND.
04:45:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY.
04:45:39PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHEN IS IT COMING BACK?
04:45:43PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE QUESTION IS, HOW SOON WOULD COUNCIL
04:45:46PM WANT IT.
04:45:47PM IF I GET IT DONE BY NEXT WEEK, TWO WEEKS.
04:45:49PM DO YOU WANT IT SOONER THAN -- TWO WEEKS IS SUNSHINE OKAY.
04:45:54PM SO -- TWO WEEKS IS FINE?
04:46:00PM MARCH 16.
04:46:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
04:46:04PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
04:46:06PM ALL IN FAVOR.
04:46:07PM OPPOSED?
04:46:08PM MOTION PASSES.
04:46:09PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ONE OTHER SUBJECT THAT HAVEN'T COME UP AND
04:46:14PM MY RESEARCH IN LOOKING AT OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
04:46:17PM IF COUNCIL WANTS TO INCLUDE THOSE ON APPOINTED BOARDS.
04:46:21PM I SAW WITH ANOTHER JURISDICTION.
04:46:23PM THAT CAN BE ANOTHER TIME AND ANOTHER EXPANSION UNLESS
04:46:26PM COUNCIL FEELS THEY WANT TO DO THAT.
04:46:28PM >>BILL CARLSON: LET'S GET THE STRUCTURE FIRST.
04:46:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: UNDERSTOOD.
04:46:35PM THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
04:46:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13, IT FILE NUMBER CM
04:46:43PM 23-79781.
04:46:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MARTIN SHELBY, CITY ATTORNEY.
04:46:49PM 13 AND 14 ARE COMBINED IN ONE DOCUMENT.
04:46:53PM CLARIFICATION ON ITEM 13.
04:46:55PM AGAIN, AS I SAID IN MY MEMO TO YOU, IN PREPARING THESE
04:46:59PM CHANGES, I INCLUDED REVISIONS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE
04:47:03PM CONSENSUS OF CITY COUNCIL IN ITS MANY DISCUSSIONS AND IN THE
04:47:09PM CONDUCT MEETING.
04:47:10PM THE SPECIAL DISCUSSION MEETING ON THE ORDER OF BUSINESS AND
04:47:14PM THE LIKE.
04:47:14PM WITH REGARD TO ITEM 13, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT ONE THING
04:47:18PM TO CITY COUNCIL WHICH IN FACT IS A CHANGE THAT I MADE AND
04:47:23PM MAKE SURE IT IS INDICATE ACCEPTABLE TO COUNCIL'S DESIRE.
04:47:27PM SAYS TO ALLOW -- IF YOU LOOK AT ITEM NUMBER 13, SAYS TO
04:47:30PM ALLOW FIVE MINUTES FOR SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS WITH ADDITIONAL
04:47:34PM FIVE MINUTES FOR EACH COUNCIL COMMENT.
04:47:36PM AND THIS IS REFLECTED IN RULE -- THAT IS IN RULE 3 -- RULE
04:47:46PM 3-B TO THE ORDER OF BUSINESS -- EXCUSE ME, THROUGH 5.
04:47:50PM RULE 3-B-5.
04:47:54PM WHAT IT SAYS IS, STAFF REPORTS -- LET ME MAKE SURE I GET
04:48:02PM THIS RIGHT.
04:48:02PM THAT IS ACTUALLY -- YES, IT SAYS THE -- IT SHALL BE LIMITED
04:48:13PM FIVE MINUTES TO EACH SUBJECT FOLLOWED BY COUNCIL'S QUESTIONS
04:48:17PM AND COMMENTS.
04:48:17PM THE QUESTIONS I HAVE IS -- THAT IS NOT FOR STAFF REPORTS.
04:48:23PM THAT IS FOR PRESENTATIONS.
04:48:24PM HOLD ON A SECOND.
04:48:25PM OKAY.
04:48:33PM TO BE BRIEF.
04:48:34PM THE QUESTION WHERE I HAD A CONCERN, COUNCIL, HE IS THE ONE
04:48:40PM COMMENT IN THE MOTION OF THE WAY IT IS RECORDED IS FOR
04:48:45PM SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS.
04:48:47PM FIVE MINUTES -- OH, FOR COMMENDATIONS -- SORRY, TO ALLOW
04:48:52PM ONLY THREE-MINUTE COMMENDATION FOR EACH MEETING WITH NO
04:48:56PM COMMENTS BE COUNCIL.
04:48:57PM I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IS EXACTLY COUNCIL'S -- FOR
04:49:01PM INSTANCE, AT TODAY'S COMMENDATION, COUNCIL.
04:49:07PM YOU HAD COMMENTS.
04:49:08PM I AM NOT FAMILIAR --
04:49:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IT'S GOING TO BE FINE.
04:49:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I NEED -- REALITY, COUNCIL, ONE OF THE
04:49:16PM THINGS, COUNCIL, WITH REGARD TO TIME FROM PUBLIC COMMENT.
04:49:19PM THE 30-MINUTE RULE HAS NEVER, EVER, EVER BEEN KEPT.
04:49:24PM AND COUNCIL HAS REPEATEDLY SAID WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC
04:49:27PM COMMENT, THEY WILL NOT INFRINGE ON THE PUBLIC'S RIGHT TO BE
04:49:32PM HEARD AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.
04:49:34PM THE QUESTION IS, IF YOU PUT THE RULE IN PLACE, THERE NEEDS
04:49:38PM TO BE A CONSENSUS THAT THE RULES WILL BE ADHERED TOO.
04:49:41PM IF YOU DO NOT WANT ANY COMMENTS IN COMMENDATIONS -- SORRY.
04:49:46PM COMMENTS BE CITY COUNCIL FOR COMMENDATIONS.
04:49:50PM I KNOW THAT HAVEN'T BEEN THE CASE IN PRACTICE, SO I JUST
04:49:54PM NEED CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
04:49:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
04:49:57PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY.
04:49:59PM TWO THINGS -- WE HAVE FIVE MEMBERS HERE.
04:50:01PM I THOUGHT WE HAD FOUR.
04:50:03PM WE MAY WANT TO WAIT FOR A FULL COUNCIL TO DISCUSS THIS,
04:50:07PM NUMBER ONE.
04:50:07PM NUMBER TWO, WE SHOULDN'T SPEND A LOT OF TEAM ON THIS IN
04:50:12PM TERMS OF BACK AND FORTH, COMMENTS DURING COMMENDATION.
04:50:14PM LIMITING THE NUMBER OF COMMENDATION THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER
04:50:18PM CAN HAVE IS EVEN IF, BUT CUTTING OFF THE COMMENTS, WILL MAKE
04:50:22PM IT LESS SPECIAL FOR THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE AND I FAIL TO
04:50:26PM SEE THE CONNECTION THE TWO MINUTES WE SPEND TALKING DURING
04:50:30PM COMMENDATION AND MAYBE OF THE -- COUNCILMEMBERS WHEN YOU
04:50:37PM SPEAK DURING COMMENDATIONS.
04:50:39PM PLEASE KEEP YOUR REMARKS LIMITED.
04:50:42PM THAT IS FINE BUT SAVING THOSE TWO MINUTES DOES MORE
04:50:48PM DETRIMENT TO THE PROCESS THAN BENEFIT.
04:50:50PM WITH THAT SAYING, WE HAVE A FULL COUNCIL IN MY OPINION.
04:50:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, I WILL SAY I PREPARED A SUBSTITUTE
04:50:58PM WITH WHAT WAS A -- A SCRIVENER'S ERROR, BUT I DID HAVE A
04:51:02PM CONVERSATION WITH THE CHIEF OF STAFF THIS MORNING WHO HAD AN
04:51:05PM EXCELLENT RECOMMENDATION.
04:51:07PM I THINK ALL SAID AND DONE, I APPRECIATE COUNCIL'S
04:51:11PM OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THIS TALK AND CONTINUANCE TO HAVE A FULL
04:51:14PM COUNCIL WILL BE IN ORDER.
04:51:16PM 16th.
04:51:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK WE CAN JUST FINISH THIS CONVERSATION
04:51:24PM NOW.
04:51:25PM IF FOLKS WANT TO COME BACK, THEY CAN JUST -- I AM FINE WITH
04:51:32PM TAKING OUT THE COMMENT PART AND JUST LEAVING -- JUST DOING
04:51:40PM THREE TEN-MINUTE PRESENTATIONS AND CALLING IT A DAY.
04:51:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT YOU ARE SAYING THE WAY THE MOTION WAS
04:51:49PM STATED WITH NO COMMENT IS YOUR PREFERENCE TO HAVE THAT IN
04:51:53PM THERE.
04:51:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK: TAKE OUT THE NO COMMENTS, AND THEN EVERYBODY
04:51:57PM IS HAPPY.
04:51:57PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: HERE IS WHAT IT ACTUALLY -- BASED ON WHAT I
04:52:02PM HAD WANTED TO PROPOSE.
04:52:03PM IT SAYS SHALL BE SCHEDULED A MAXIMUM OF THREE COMMENDATIONS
04:52:07PM SHALL BE SCHEDULED ON A REGULAR MEETING AGENDA WITH TEN
04:52:10PM MINUTES AFFORDED WITH EACH WITH LIMITED TIME ALLOTTED FOR
04:52:14PM COUNCIL'S COMMENTS.
04:52:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK: PERFECT.
04:52:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF THAT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE, THAT IS
04:52:22PM FINE.
04:52:22PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, EVERY COUNCILMEMBER KNOW EVEN
04:52:29PM MISS HURTAK, NO WAY YOU WILL HAVE A COMMENDATION OF POLICE
04:52:31PM AND YOU ARE TELLING ME TEN MINUTES.
04:52:33PM YOU ARE NOT TELLING ME THAT.
04:52:36PM HOW MANY MINUTES TODAY FOR THE POLICE OFFICER TODAY?
04:52:38PM IT WASN'T NO TEN MINUTES.
04:52:40PM SO WE CAN DO THIS BY THEORY AND I CAN TELL YOU, YOU AIN'T
04:52:45PM GOING TO GET TEN MINUTES.
04:52:46PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, MR. GUDES, LET ME JUST SAY THAT IN
04:52:53PM COORDINATION WITH THIS, WHAT THIS DOES WAS TO REMOVE THE
04:52:57PM NEED FOR A SEPARATE COMMENDATION DAY TO LIMIT IT TO THREE
04:53:03PM COMMENDATIONS.
04:53:03PM THEREFORE, AS A RESULT OF WHEN THIS WILL BE ADOPTED -- AND
04:53:07PM BY THE WAY, BY MOVING RESOLUTION, YOU DON'T MOVE IT TODAY.
04:53:10PM YOU READ IT BY TITLE ONLY.
04:53:12PM THE WAY COUNCIL RULES STATE.
04:53:14PM IT COMES BACK IN TWO WEEKS EITHER WAY.
04:53:18PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, WE HAVE POLICE, FIRE, EVERYBODY
04:53:21PM ON ONE SEPARATE DAY AND REVERTED TO HAVE POLICE AND FIRE
04:53:24PM COME IN.
04:53:24PM AND WE WENT OFF BALANCE.
04:53:26PM THERE IS NO WAY IN THE WORLD YOU ARE GOING TO TELL ME -- IF
04:53:29PM WE HAVE THREE COMMENDATIONS ON ONE DAY, IT IS GOING TO TAKE
04:53:32PM US 30 MINUTES.
04:53:33PM THERE AIN'T NO WAY POSSIBLE.
04:53:35PM AIN'T NEVER DONE THAT.
04:53:37PM I AM SORRY TO SAY WE SHOULD HAVE LEFT IT THE WAY WE
04:53:41PM ORIGINALLY VOTED AND HAVE ALL THE COMMENDATIONS ON ONE DAY.
04:53:44PM AND THIS WOULD BE DAY -- WE REVERTED BACK AND CHANGED OUR
04:53:48PM RULES.
04:53:48PM SO IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME.
04:53:50PM I DON'T MAKE A LOT OF COMMENDATION, WHEN I DO I MAKE IT
04:53:54PM PARTICULAR FOR CERTAIN PEOPLE.
04:53:55PM WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO -- I WILL SAY THIS WON'T BE ADHERED
04:53:59PM TOO AND NO WAY TO GET THROUGH 30 MINUTES OF ACCOMMODATION,
04:54:02PM THREE COMMENDATIONS AND HAVE COUNCILMEMBERS TALK.
04:54:07PM AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.
04:54:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
04:54:12PM IN THEORY THIS WAS A DISCUSSION OF TRYING TO LIMIT OUR
04:54:17PM MEETINGS.
04:54:17PM IT KEEPS GOING BACK TO COMMENDATIONS.
04:54:21PM COMMENDATIONS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SPECIAL.
04:54:25PM I WANT TO RECOGNIZE PEOPLE WHEN THEY DO SOMETHING SPECIAL.
04:54:28PM FIRE, POLICE, ATU, AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT DO SOMETHING
04:54:35PM SPECIAL FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
04:54:36PM BUT I DO HAVE TO POINT OUT, WE HAVE STAFF REPORTS.
04:54:42PM STAFF REPORTS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FIVE MINUTES.
04:54:44PM WE HAD ONE TODAY THAT LASTED ALMOST TWO HOURS.
04:54:47PM COMMENDATIONS SHOULD BE LAST OF THE TOTEM POLE.
04:54:53PM FIND OTHER WAYS TO CUT DOWN OUR MEETING TIME.
04:54:56PM WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL ON THIS.
04:54:59PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN FOLLOW UP, COUNCIL.
04:55:00PM THE OTHER THING OF SIGNIFICANCE IN HERE THAT IT PERMITS
04:55:04PM THE CONTINUED USE OF COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA TECHNOLOGY.
04:55:08PM COUNCIL HAS SAID IN THE PAST THAT IT WANTED TO CONTINUE IT.
04:55:11PM I DIDN'T HEAR ANY WORDS THAT WOULD -- THAT SAID TO REMOVE IT
04:55:16PM OR LIMIT IT.
04:55:16PM AND WHENEVER THE DISCUSSION CAME UP, ALSO THAT COUNCIL
04:55:22PM APPRECIATED THE SUPPORT OF COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY.
04:55:25PM AND I BELIEVE, IF I RECALL, I MADE THE POINT IN THE PAST AND
04:55:31PM THAT'S IN THERE.
04:55:32PM UNLESS COUNCIL WANTS TO DISCUSS THAT AS A FUTURE DATE.
04:55:36PM WHAT IT DOES IS REMOVE THE NEED FOR ME TO ASK COUNCIL TO
04:55:40PM WAIVE THE RULES BECAUSE IT IS IN THERE.
04:55:41PM THE OTHER THING OF SIGNIFICANCE CAGES IS TO MOVE THE STAFF
04:55:45PM REPORTS TO PER THE MOTION, AFTER ALL THE BUSINESS.
04:55:52PM AFTER ALL -- AFTER OTHER CITY BUSINESS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED.
04:55:56PM SO THE STAFF REPORTS TAKE PLACE AFTER THE -- THE CONSENT
04:56:01PM DOCKET, AFTER ALL THE SECOND READS, FIRST READS AND REVIEW
04:56:08PM HEARINGS.
04:56:09PM AND MOST LIKELY BRING STAFF REPORT TO THE AFTERNOON.
04:56:12PM FOR WHATEVER REASON YOUR CALENDAR OR DOCKET MOVES VERY
04:56:16PM EASILY.
04:56:16PM STAFF REPORTS CAN BE MOVED UP.
04:56:19PM THAT IS THE REAL MAJOR CHANGE IN TERMS OF THE MOVE TOWARD
04:56:23PM EFFICIENCY AND I SPOKE WITH THE CHIEF OF STAFF ABOUT IT.
04:56:29PM AND STAFF IS AWARE THAT STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO THAT IF
04:56:32PM THAT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
04:56:34PM COUNCIL, AGAIN, IF YOU WISH TO HAVE A FULL COUNCIL, YOU WILL
04:56:37PM HAVE A FULL COUNCIL BACK ON THE 16th.
04:56:40PM THIS PAYROLL WOULD TAKE EFFECT AFTER THAT.
04:56:45PM ADOPTION OF IT WHICH WOULD BE TWO READINGS OF THE TITLE.
04:56:48PM COUNCIL'S PLEASURE IF YOU WANT TO WAIT FOR THE FULL COUNCIL
04:56:53PM TO TALK THROUGH THIS.
04:56:54PM AND I CAN MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE AND READ THE TITLE AND HAVE
04:56:59PM IT COME BACK ON THE 16th WHATEVER IT COUNCIL'S PLEASURE AT
04:57:02PM THE TIME.
04:57:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
04:57:05PM >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND.
04:57:07PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEN IF YOU CAN READ IT BY TITLE AND ASK IT
04:57:10PM TO RETURN ON THE 16th OF MARCH.
04:57:13PM PURSUANT TO COUNCIL'S RULES.
04:57:17PM >>BILL CARLSON: 13 TO 14.
04:57:21PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE RESOLUTION ITSELF.
04:57:24PM THE TITLE HAVEN'T CHANGED.
04:57:26PM THE RESOLUTION ITSELF.
04:57:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
04:57:30PM THE RESOLUTION AMENDING THE RULES OF PROCEDURES GOVERNING
04:57:34PM MEETINGS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, AMENDING RULE 3, ORDER OF
04:57:38PM BUSINESS AND REGULAR MEETINGS PERMITTING REMOTE
04:57:41PM PARTICIPATION BY A MEMBER WHO IS PHYSICALLY NOT ABLE TO
04:57:43PM ATTEND A MEETING WHERE A QUORUM IS PRESENT.
04:57:45PM AMENDING RULE 5, ALLOWING FOR VIRTUAL PARTICIPATION OF THE
04:57:49PM PUBLIC USING COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY, CMT, AMENDING
04:57:55PM RULE 6 OF CONTINUANCES OF QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS, ALLOWING
04:57:59PM FOR VIRTUAL PARTICIPATION OF CMT IN QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS
04:58:04PM PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
04:58:06PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: A SUBSTITUTE BASED ON A MINOR CHANGE I WILL
04:58:10PM SEND OUT TO COUNCIL AND AT ADMINISTRATION HARD COPY --
04:58:14PM EXCUSE ME, ELECTRONICALLY.
04:58:15PM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I CAN CLARIFY.
04:58:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:58:20PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:58:22PM ANY DISCUSSION?
04:58:24PM >>LUIS VIERA: QUESTION FOR MR. SHELBY, THE ONLY THING DOES,
04:58:29PM CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS UP TO THREE -- THREE OF THEM.
04:58:41PM NUMBER.
04:58:43PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO MORE THAN TEN STAFF REPORTS CAN BE
04:58:45PM PLACED ON THE AGENDA.
04:58:46PM A DISCUSSION WITH THE CHIEF OF STAFF RAISED A VERY
04:58:48PM INTERESTING POINT, COUNCIL.
04:58:49PM WHEN YOU ARE GETTING CLOSE --
04:58:52PM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY.
04:58:53PM IF APOLOGIZE FOR CUTTING YOU OFF.
04:58:56PM COMMENDATION.
04:58:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: A MAXIMUM OF THREE COMMENDATIONS ON REGULAR
04:59:03PM MEETING AGENDA WITH TEN MEN AFFORDED FOR EACH AND
04:59:07PM PRESENTATIONS SHALL EACH BE AFFORDED FIVE MINUTES FOR
04:59:13PM COUNCIL COMMENTS AND PER THE MOTION.
04:59:15PM ONLY DIFFERENCE CHANGING IT FROM NO COMMENTS TO -- LIMIT
04:59:20PM TIME ALLOTTED FOR COUNCIL COMMENTS ON THE COMMENDATION.
04:59:23PM AND WITH AN UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WILL REMOVE THE SEPARATE
04:59:27PM COMMENDATION ON THE SECOND TUESDAY.
04:59:28PM >>LUIS VIERA: WE MAY WANT TO EXPLORE THE IDEA OF LIMITING
04:59:31PM PER COUNCIL IN PERSON COMMENDATIONS AT A LATER TIME.
04:59:35PM THAT'S IT.
04:59:36PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU NEED TO BE RECOGNIZED SIR.
04:59:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
04:59:43PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: GO BACK TO THE OLD WAY OF DOING IT.
04:59:46PM YOU WILL HAVE A POLICE, A FIRE AND ATU.
04:59:49PM THREE COMMENDATIONS.
04:59:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOT ALWAYS, AND --
04:59:54PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: POLICE, FIRE AND ATU.
04:59:57PM SPECIAL PRESENTATION COMMENDATION.
05:00:02PM YOU WON'T GET THAT --
05:00:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SORRY, I DON'T -- WE ALWAYS DON'T HAVE
05:00:08PM THREE AT THE SAME TIME, THAT'S CORRECT, MADAM CLERK?
05:00:12PM >>CLERK: CORRECT.
05:00:12PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ALWAYS ROOM FOR AT LEAST ONE, IF NOT TWO.
05:00:17PM I KNOW IT WAS A DISCUSSION -- A DISCUSSION OF OFF-SITE.
05:00:23PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WILL GO ALONG WITH IT, BUT I AM JUST
05:00:26PM TELLING YOU, THAT WILL BE THROWN OUT OF WINDOW IN SIX
05:00:29PM MONTHS.
05:00:29PM WATCH WHAT I TELL YOU.
05:00:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION.
05:00:33PM I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT MR. SHELBY HAS CHANGED THE RULES OF
05:00:38PM PROCEDURES TO ACCOMMODATE SOME THINGS.
05:00:41PM BUT, AGAIN, TEN STAFF MEETINGS?
05:00:49PM MY POINT IS STILL GOING TO BE THE POINT I JUST MADE.
05:00:51PM YOU CAN HAVE TEN STAFF MEETINGS, BUT ALL OF THEM LAST TWO
05:00:56PM HOURS EACH WHEN THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO LAST FIVE MINUTES.
05:00:58PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
05:01:00PM ANY OPPOSED?
05:01:02PM MOTION PASSES.
05:01:03PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE MOTION AGAIN YOU READ IT BY TITLE.
05:01:06PM AND IT DID NOT -- THE RESOLUTION DID NOT PASS, BUT THE
05:01:10PM MOTION, IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY, IS TO BRING IT BACK
05:01:13PM FOR THE SECOND READING ON THE 16th.
05:01:15PM THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
05:01:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18 FILE NUMBER E 2023-8
05:01:26PM CHAPTER 22.
05:01:27PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
05:01:29PM THIS IS THE FIRST READING OF A PROPOSED ORDINANCE TO AMEND
05:01:35PM EXCEPTIONS 22-276 AND 22-291 UPDATING THE TRANSPORTATION
05:01:45PM TECHNICAL MANUAL TO INCLUDE STANDARDS FROM THE NATIONAL
05:01:50PM ASSOCIATION OF CITY TRANSPORTATION OFFICIALS.
05:01:52PM BASICALLY THESE STANDARDS ARE JUST AN ADDITIONAL TOOL IN THE
05:01:58PM MOBILITY DEPARTMENT'S TOOLBOX TO EVALUATE DESIGNS FOR
05:02:03PM SIDEWALKS, BIKE LANES, ETC.
05:02:05PM SO I WOULD -- WE ARE JUST HERE FOR FIRST READING THIS WEEK.
05:02:08PM ANY QUESTIONS?
05:02:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS?
05:02:11PM ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BHIDE?
05:02:17PM WHO WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE READING OF THIS ORDINANCE.
05:02:19PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WILL READ IT.
05:02:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
05:02:22PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: FILE NUMBER E 2023-8, CH 22.
05:02:28PM ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, RELATED TO CHAPTER
05:02:32PM 22 STREETS AND SIDEWALKS, ARTICLE 3, AMENDING 22-276,
05:02:36PM TECHNICAL STANDARDS MAY BE ESTABLISHED AMENDING 22-2291,
05:02:42PM ADOPT BY REPLACING THE 2009 EDITION TO THE 2023 EDITION
05:02:50PM AMEND FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES, PROVIDE FOR
05:02:55PM SEVERABILITY.
05:02:56PM PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
05:02:59PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
05:03:00PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
05:03:02PM OPPOSED?
05:03:03PM MOTION PASSES.
05:03:04PM OF VIERA.
05:03:06PM >>LUIS VIERA: WHAT ITEMS DO I MOVE?
05:03:11PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: 19-22.
05:03:12PM >>LUIS VIERA: I MOVE ITEMS 19-22.
05:03:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
05:03:20PM SECONDED.
05:03:21PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
05:03:24PM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
05:03:27PM PARKS AND RECREATION.
05:03:29PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE ITEM 23.
05:03:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SORRY.
05:03:32PM OKAY.
05:03:33PM MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
05:03:35PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
05:03:38PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
05:03:40PM ANY OPPOSED?
05:03:42PM MOTION PASSES.
05:03:43PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU HAVE PUBLIC WORKS.
05:03:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I MOVE ITEMS 24-34.
05:03:49PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO MOVED.
05:03:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND SECONDED
05:03:55PM BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
05:03:56PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
05:03:57PM OPPOSE?
05:03:58PM MOTION PASSES.
05:03:59PM COUNCILMAN VIERA, FINANCE COMMITTEE.
05:04:03PM >>LUIS VIERA: I MOVE 35-39, IF I MAY.
05:04:07PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO MOVED.
05:04:08PM SECOND.
05:04:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
05:04:11PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
05:04:13PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
05:04:15PM ANY OPPOSE?
05:04:16PM MOTION PASSES.
05:04:17PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:04:18PM >>BILL CARLSON: MOVE ITEMS 40-47.
05:04:22PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO MOVED.
05:04:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:04:26PM ALSO MOVED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
05:04:30PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
05:04:32PM OPPOSED?
05:04:35PM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
05:04:35PM TRANSPORTATION.
05:04:36PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: 41-57.
05:04:42PM >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND.
05:04:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
05:04:47PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBERING 52 I THINK NEEDS TO BE SCHEDULED FOR
05:04:53PM APRIL 20.
05:04:53PM >>LUIS VIERA: SO MOVED.
05:04:54PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND.
05:04:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
05:04:58PM ANY OPPOSE?
05:05:00PM MOTION PASSES.
05:05:01PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 353.
05:05:08PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
05:05:10PM >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND.
05:05:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
05:05:13PM OPPOSE?
05:05:14PM MOTION PASSES.
05:05:15PM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 54, FILE NUMBER PH 21-125-C.
05:05:26PM I NEED A MOTION TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
05:05:28PM >>BILL CARLSON: MOTION.
05:05:32PM >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND.
05:05:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
05:05:34PM OPPOSED?
05:05:38PM AND LADY AND GENTLEMEN, I BELIEVE THAT CLEARS OFF OUR
05:05:42PM AGENDA.
05:05:43PM WE HAVE ANY INFORMATION REPORTS?
05:05:49PM >>CLERK: WE DID NOT MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AND
05:05:53PM THE ADDENDUM.
05:05:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
05:05:56PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
05:05:59PM ALL IN FAVOR.
05:05:59PM OPPOSED?
05:06:01PM MOTION PASSES.
05:06:02PM INFORMATION REPORTS.
05:06:03PM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
05:06:04PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR, MR. CHAIRMAN, IT HAS COME TO MY
05:06:08PM ATTENTION WITH SEVERAL STUDENTS IN REFERENCE TO WHAT THEY
05:06:12PM CALL THE TEENS LEADING CHANGE PROGRAM.
05:06:15PM YOU KNOW WE HAVE THE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORP.
05:06:18PM AN UNBALANCE OF EQUITY WITH THESE TWO PROGRAMS.
05:06:24PM THEY ARE DOING POPCORN, GETTING DONATIONS.
05:06:29PM THE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORP HAS A BUDGET OF 20,000.
05:06:34PM AND THE GIST OF THIS THING CAME THAT THE KIDS AREN'T BEING
05:06:37PM ABLE TO GO ON THE FIELD TRIPS.
05:06:38PM MAYOR'S YOUTH CORPS GOING TO THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES.
05:06:43PM AND APPARENTLY THIS GROUP IS CONSISTENTLY BEING LEFT OUT OF
05:06:48PM A LOT OF PROGRAMS.
05:06:49PM I ALWAYS SAID I DON'T FEEL THERE IS A PAL OF THE MAYOR'S
05:06:53PM YOUTH CORP IT HAPPENED PROGRAM ARE EQUABLY DISTRIBUTED.
05:06:58PM YOU LOOK AT THE CRITERIA OF THE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORPS.
05:07:03PM LEAVES OUT KIDS.
05:07:04PM IT NEEDS TO BE EVALUATED.
05:07:07PM YOU LOOK AT THE SCHOOLS AND THE CENTERS IN THIS PROGRAM.
05:07:10PM TALK OF GREEN, JACKSON HEIGHTS, AND -- YOU DO HAVE HIGHLAND
05:07:19PM PINES.
05:07:20PM THAT SENDS A MESSAGE TO ME RED FLAG.
05:07:22PM I WOULD LIKE THE ADMINISTRATION TO COME FORWARD TO TALK
05:07:24PM ABOUT THESE TWO PROGRAMS WITH THE TWO LIAISONS, THE
05:07:29PM DIRECTORS OF THESE PROGRAMS AND UNDERSTAND THE BUDGETARY --
05:07:34PM THE BUDGETS AND IN THESE TWO PROGRAMS.
05:07:36PM I HEAR THERE ISN'T ONE FOR TLC AND I WANT TO FIND OUT AND
05:07:42PM HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE EQUABLY
05:07:46PM VIABLE TO THE CITY AS IT RELATES TO THE KIDS.
05:07:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
05:07:53PM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
05:07:55PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
05:07:57PM OPPOSED?
05:07:59PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT DATE, APRIL?
05:08:02PM >>CLERK: APRIL 6.
05:08:04PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: APRIL 6, STAFF REPORTS.
05:08:06PM APRIL 6, STAFF REPORTS.
05:08:08PM DESCRIPTION OF THE PROGRAM TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.
05:08:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OPPOSED?
05:08:15PM MOTION PASSES.
05:08:16PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S IT, SIR.
05:08:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NOTHING FOR ME.
05:08:22PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUPLE, IF I MAY.
05:08:25PM FIRST, WE HAD THE PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN COMING.
05:08:28PM I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL DID A MOTION REQUESTING
05:08:31PM THAT POLICE AND FIRE, THE UNIONS GET A COPY OF IT AT LEAST
05:08:35PM SEVEN DAYS BEFORE THE MEETING.
05:08:36PM IT IS A MOTION.
05:08:38PM >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND.
05:08:44PM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
05:08:46PM OPPOSED?
05:08:49PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
05:08:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION PASSES VIERA VIRUS I WANT TO GIVE
05:08:55PM OFF-SITE -- CHIEF JUDGE FIGUEROA FOR HIS SERVICE OF CHIEF
05:09:00PM JUDGE -- A COMMENDATION.
05:09:01PM HE IS NO LONGER CHIEF JUDGE.
05:09:03PM JUDGE SEVELA.
05:09:06PM THEY HAVE A MAX OF EIGHT YEARS AND CHRIS SEVELA GOT ON.
05:09:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
05:09:13PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:09:17PM FAVOR.
05:09:19PM OPPOSE?
05:09:20PM MOTION PASSES.
05:09:21PM >>LUIS VIERA: SORRY, OFF-SITE COMMENDATION.
05:09:24PM A NICE GENTLEMAN ALEX ESPINOSA.
05:09:28PM LONG STORY SHORT.
05:09:30PM A WOMAN IN TAMPA PALMS WHO LOST THEY ARE DOGS AND SEARCHED
05:09:33PM FOR DAYS AND DAYS AND ALEX WHO I HAVE BEEN FRIENDS WITH FOR
05:09:37PM A WHILE, A RETIRED COLONEL IN TAMPA PALMS.
05:09:41PM HE WAS ON THE SEARCH FOR THE DOG.
05:09:43PM AND HE HEARD THE DOG'S CRIES FROM FAR AWAY.
05:09:47PM HE WENT INTO A SWAMP AND JUMPED INTO THE SWAMPY WATER AND
05:09:53PM WOUND UP SAVING THE LIFE OF THE DOG ALL BY HIMSELF.
05:09:56PM I WAS GOING TO GIVE ALEX A COMMENDATION ON SATURDAY, IF I
05:09:59PM MAY.
05:09:59PM >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND.
05:10:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
05:10:05PM ANY OPPOSED.
05:10:06PM MOTION CARRIES.
05:10:08PM >>LUIS VIERA: LASTLY, I WANTED TO ABOUT I THINK A GROUP,
05:10:11PM COFFEE UNITING PEOPLE CUP.
05:10:13PM YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THEM ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
05:10:15PM AN ORGANIZATION THAT TAKES INTELLECTUALLY PEOPLE AND SETS UP
05:10:21PM HUB WHERE THEY CAN SELL COFFEE.
05:10:23PM I WANT TO WORK WITH THE ADMINISTRATION IF WE CAN GET THEM
05:10:26PM SET UP IN THE COURTYARD OF THE CITY OF TAMPA ONCE A MONTH
05:10:29PM AND THE MAYOR KNOWS ABOUT THEM.
05:10:31PM SHE WAS OVER THERE RECENTLY.
05:10:33PM GREG JONES, A REALLY GOOD ATTORNEY AND ACTIVE -- I THINK A
05:10:36PM DEACON AT BAYSHORE BAPTIST.
05:10:39PM A WONDERFUL GUY THAT LEADS THAT UP.
05:10:42PM I WANTED TO HAVE THEM APRIL 20, IF I MAY, A SHORT
05:10:46PM COMMENDATION AT CITY COUNCIL FOR THE BEFORE I MAKE THE
05:10:51PM REQUEST OF COUNCIL.
05:10:52PM ONLY ONE ON-SITE.
05:10:56PM RIGHT?
05:10:56PM THAT'S WHY I ASKED.
05:10:57PM BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO USE ONE.
05:11:00PM AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
05:11:02PM THAT IS WHY I ASKED THAT.
05:11:03PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DON'T SEE ANY ON APRIL 20.
05:11:06PM OF COURSE THAT WILL HAVE TO CHANGE IF COUNCIL WISHES TO GO
05:11:11PM FORWARD.
05:11:11PM >>LUIS VIERA: THERE IS NONE.
05:11:13PM I CHECKED THAT BEFORE.
05:11:14PM GOD FORBID, RIGHT.
05:11:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
05:11:20PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:11:23PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
05:11:24PM ANY OPPOSED?
05:11:26PM MOTION CARRIED.
05:11:27PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
05:11:28PM NOTHING ELSE.
05:11:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:11:31PM IF I CAN -- PLEASE ON MARCH 12 -- SUNDAY MARCH 12, A LIFE
05:11:38PM REMEMBRANCE FOR ROLANDO RODRIGUEZ WHO WAS A PAST FIRE
05:11:44PM MARSHAL FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
05:11:46PM AND I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT A COMMENDATION POSTHUMOUSLY.
05:11:51PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO MOVED.
05:11:53PM >>LUIS VIERA: SORRY, SECOND, SECOND, YES, SORRY.
05:12:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:12:08PM MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
05:12:09PM >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND.
05:12:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES AND SECONDED BY
05:12:16PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
05:12:16PM ALL IN FAVOR.
05:12:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: BEFORE YOU GO, COUNCIL, ON THE SUBJECT --
05:12:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION PASSES.
05:12:24PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THERE IS NO -- A REMINDER, NO COMMENDATION
05:12:27PM MEETING THIS TUESDAY.
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