Tampa City Council
Thursday, March 23, 2023
9:00 a.m. Workshops
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09:02:39AM [GAVEL SOUNDING]
09:02:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO CITY COUNCIL
09:02:50AM HELD THIS DAY, MARCH 23, 2023.
09:02:52AM ROLL CALL PLEASE.
09:02:54AM EXCUSE ME.
09:02:55AM I APOLOGIZE.
09:02:56AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:02:57AM YOU HAVE INVOCATION TODAY.
09:03:00AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE FOR THE MANY TIMES
09:03:04AM THE REVEREND DR. JOHNSON PhD WHO HE HAS BEEN SEEN AND
09:03:11AM ACKNOWLEDGED AS A VOICE FOR OUR GENERATION.
09:03:13AM AMAZING ABILITY TO MINISTER TO ALL AGE GROUPS.
09:03:17AM PREACHING, TEACHING AND LEADERSHIP STYLE OF APPROACH TO REAL
09:03:21AM LIFE ACCOMPANIED BY A DOWN-TO-EARTH SENSE OF HUMOR.
09:03:25AM FOOTPRINT STARTED IN 1994 AND PASTORAL IN 2001.
09:03:31AM HE KNEW AT THE AGE OF FIVE THAT THE LORD ANOINTED HIM TO CHANGE
09:03:35AM THE WORLD.
09:03:35AM THROUGH HIS ACADEMIC PURSUIT, UNIVERSITY AND A BACHELOR
09:03:43AM IN CHURCH MINISTRY AND A MASTER OF MINISTRY FROM WARNER
09:03:46AM UNIVERSITY AND A DOCTOR OF PHILOSOPHY AND CHRISTIAN THOUGHT.
09:03:49AM HE WAS HONORED BY ST. THOMAS CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY FOR
09:03:54AM COMMITMENT TO MINISTRY WITH A DIVINITY DEGREE IN 2006.
09:03:58AM ALSO AMONG OTHER THINGS THAT WE MENTIONED, A NAVY CHAPLAIN
09:04:02AM AND STATIONED AT MacDILL AND WORKS FOR THE CDC.
09:04:05AM REVEREND JOHNSON.
09:04:08AM STAND TO SAY THE INVOCATION AND THEN DO THE PLEDGE OF
09:04:11AM ALLEGIANCE.
09:04:12AM >> GOOD MORNING TO ALL OF YOU.
09:04:14AM BOW YOUR HEADS WITH ME.
09:04:21AM DEAR LOVING FATHER, PLEASE ALLOW ME, FIRST, TO SAY THANK
09:04:25AM YOU.
09:04:25AM ON BEHALF OF ALL OF US WHO ARE GATHERED HERE TODAY, THANK
09:04:29AM YOU FOR YOUR MANY ABUNDANT BLESSINGS.
09:04:31AM THANK YOU FOR LIFE ITSELF, THE MEASURE OF HEALTH WE NEED TO
09:04:38AM FULFILL OUR CALLING.
09:04:39AM FOR SUSTENANCE AND FRIENDSHIP.
09:04:42AM THANK YOU FOR THE ABILITY TO BE INVOLVED IN USEFUL WORK AND
09:04:45AM THE HONOR OF BEING APPROPRIATED WITH RESPONSIBILITIES IN
09:04:47AM THIS LIFE.
09:04:48AM THANKS AS WELL FOR THE FREEDOM TO EMBRACE YOU, AND THE
09:04:52AM FREEDOM TO REJECT YOU.
09:04:53AM THANK YOU FOR LOVING US EVEN SO FROM YOUR BOUNDLESS AND
09:04:57AM GRACIOUS NAME.
09:04:58AM IN THE SCRIPTURES, YOU HAVE SAID THAT CITIZENS OUGHT TO OBEY
09:05:01AM THE GOVERNING AUTHORITIES SINCE YOU HAVE ESTABLISHED THOSE
09:05:04AM VERY AUTHORITIES TO PROMOTE PEACE AND ORDER AND JUSTICE.
09:05:09AM THEREFORE, I PRAY FOR OUR MAYOR, FOR OUR CITY COUNCIL, AND
09:05:12AM CITY OFFICIALS AND, IN PARTICULAR, THOSE WHO GATHERED HERE
09:05:16AM TODAY.
09:05:17AM I AM ASKING THAT YOU GRACIOUSLY GRANT THEM WISDOM TO GOVERN
09:05:25AM ISSUES OF THEIR TIME.
09:05:26AM A SENSE OF WELFARE AND TRUE NEEDS FOR OUR PEOPLE.
09:05:28AM A KING FIRST FOR JUSTICE AND RIGHTEOUS.
09:05:31AM CONFIDENCE IN WHAT IS GOOD AND FITTING.
09:05:33AM THE ABILITY TO WORK TOGETHER IN HAD HARMONY, EVEN WHEN THERE
09:05:37AM IS HONEST DISAGREEMENT.
09:05:39AM PERSONAL PEACE IN THEIR LIVES AND JOY IN THEIR TASKS.
09:05:42AM FINALLY, FATHER, I PRAY FOR THE AGENDA SET BEFORE THEM
09:05:46AM TODAY.
09:05:47AM PLEASE GIVE ASSURANCES OF WHAT WILL PLEASE YOU AND WHAT WILL
09:05:50AM BENEFIT THOSE WHO LIVE AND WORK IN AND AROUND OUR BELOVED
09:05:54AM CITY OF TAMPA.
09:05:56AM IN YOUR MOST BELOVED NAME, I PRAY.
09:05:59AM AMEN.
09:05:59AM [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:06:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK, NOW WE WILL HAVE
09:06:17AM ROLL CALL.
09:06:17AM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
09:06:23AM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
09:06:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
09:06:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
09:06:26AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
09:06:27AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
09:06:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
09:06:29AM >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:06:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY.
09:06:34AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, SIR.
09:06:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU WANT TO GIVE US PRESENTATION GUIDELINES.
09:06:39AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO LONGER, SIR.
09:06:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: EXCELLENT.
09:06:43AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT IS NOW PART OF YOUR RULES.
09:06:45AM I WILL BE WORKING WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE TO HAVE THE AGENDA
09:06:49AM ITSELF AMENDED TO REFLECT THE CHANGES.
09:06:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: JUST SO THE VIEWING AUDIENCE KNOWS WHAT IS
09:06:56AM GOING ON, JUST GIVE A BRIEF TALK ON WHY WE ARE NO LONGER
09:07:04AM GIVING PRESENTATIONS OF GUIDELINES.
09:07:06AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: BECAUSE THOSE GUIDELINES HAVE BEEN
09:07:08AM INCORPORATED INTO YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURES OF WHICH
09:07:11AM A NEWLY AMENDED LIST IS IN FRONT OF YOU AND I ALSO E-MAILED IT
09:07:16AM TO THE ADMINISTRATION TO DISTRIBUTE TO THE CITY STAFF AND ADOPTED
09:07:19AM BY RESOLUTION 2023-251 ON MARCH 16.
09:07:24AM WHAT THAT DOES THEN, REFERS PEOPLE TO THE INSTRUCTIONS THAT
09:07:28AM ARE AVAILABLE WHICH WILL BE ON THE AGENDA AND ALSO
09:07:31AM IMPORTANTLY ON THE CITY'S WEB SITE AT TAMPA.GOV/CITYCOUNCIL.
09:07:36AM SO FROM THIS POINT FORWARD, COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA TECHNOLOGY
09:07:41AM IS INCORPORATED INTO YOUR RULES AND NO LONGER A NEED FOR ME
09:07:44AM TO SPEAK ABOUT IT ANY LONGER UNLESS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
09:07:48AM AND I DON'T INTEND TO.
09:07:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.
09:07:52AM FINALLY CATCHING UP AFTER COVID.
09:07:54AM OKAY.
09:07:55AM WE ARE GOING TO NOW GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:07:58AM ANYONE WISHING TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME, WOULD
09:08:02AM YOU PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM IN THE FRONT OF THE ROOM.
09:08:05AM AND YOU WILL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:08:09AM IF YOU CAN PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
09:08:14AM >> GOOD MORNING.
09:08:15AM I AM SALLY LEE FROM THE VOLUNTEER MISSIONARY SOCIETY PENNY
09:08:24AM FUND.
09:08:24AM AND I HAVE BEEN AT THAT MINORITY BUSINESS FOR THREE YEARS.
09:08:28AM IT IS NOW MY TIME TO BE RECERTIFIED.
09:08:32AM AND I MIGHT -- AT THE DRY BONES BUREAU AND I NEED HELP.
09:08:39AM AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU TO ASK CHIEF DEPUTY JOHNSON THAT
09:08:46AM I WANTED TO APPLY FOR ONE OF THE SMALL GRANTS THAT HE HAS.
09:08:51AM AND I THOUGHT SINCE YOU ALL KNOW ME, YOU MIGHT RECOMMEND MY
09:08:55AM PROGRAM.
09:08:56AM I HAVE BEEN WORKING AND RUNNING FOR A LONG TIME TRYING TO
09:09:00AM GET A PROJECT GOING.
09:09:02AM THIS IS MY BOOK OF WORK.
09:09:04AM BUT THE LAST PAST THREE YEARS, I WALKED 5,000 MILES FOR
09:09:10AM HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS.
09:09:11AM AND NOW I WANT TO GET A BUILDING AND MY GRANT FUNDING.
09:09:16AM AND THIS THE WORK.
09:09:18AM AND IT WAS EVERYTHING THAT I DON'T KNOW CHIEF DEPUTY
09:09:22AM JOHNSON, BUT I HAD GOT A REFERRAL WHEN I HEARD HIM ON THE
09:09:27AM VIDEO SATURDAY.
09:09:27AM AND BISHOP PATTY HAD REFERRED ME ALSO.
09:09:34AM MY PROGRAM.
09:09:36AM SHE HAS GIVEN IT.
09:09:38AM AND IT HAS ONLY RUNNING ON A SMALL AMOUNT OF FUNDING, AND
09:09:43AM AFTER WE GOT CLOSED, I MOVED TO THE LIBRARY TO 50th STREET
09:09:47AM AND WE GOT CLOSED DOWN TWO DAYS LATER.
09:09:49AM BUT WHO CAN YOU BE AFRAID OF WHEN YOU ARE WORKING FOR GOD
09:09:54AM AND DOING HIS BUSINESS.
09:09:56AM AND I AM.
09:09:57AM AND I WOULD LIKE YOU ALL TO RECOMMEND TO HIM TO LET ME APPLY
09:10:02AM TO ONE OF THE GRANTS.
09:10:04AM I DON'T KNOW CHIEF DEPUTY JOHNSON.
09:10:08AM I JUST HEARD HIM AND I CALLED HIM LATER, AND I AM STILL
09:10:14AM WAITING TO HEAR FROM HIM, AND I DON'T OUT STANDING GRANT
09:10:17AM AND ALL THE PROOF YOU NEED.
09:10:18AM THIS IS WORK.
09:10:19AM REAL WORK THAT I HAVE DONE.
09:10:21AM AND I WOULD TRULY LIKE TO GET SOME HELP SO WE CAN OPEN BACK
09:10:26AM UP.
09:10:27AM AND I ASK GOD TO JUST HELP ME.
09:10:31AM HERE IS -- I HAD OUT MY -- AND WE ARE HAVING A ONE-HOUR
09:10:35AM LEMONADE SALE AT THE BELLA MART STORE.
09:10:41AM ONE HOUR IS WHAT SHE GAVE ME AND WE WILL BE SELLING LEMONADE
09:10:47AM FOR $2 A CUP.
09:10:48AM AND I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO COME.
09:10:50AM AND I WOULD LIKE SOMEBODY TO SAY THAT THEY WILL SUPPORT THIS
09:10:54AM GRANT.
09:10:54AM IF YOU WANT TO READ IT, YOU CAN.
09:10:56AM AND I AM SALLY LEE WITH THE VOLUNTEER MISSIONARY SOCIETY
09:11:00AM PENNY FUND.
09:11:01AM THANK YOU.
09:11:02AM IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS.
09:11:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY.
09:11:06AM MR. SHELBY?
09:11:07AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THIS IS A GRANT THROUGH THE CITY, THAT'S
09:11:09AM CORRECT?
09:11:10AM >> YES.
09:11:10AM CHIEF DEPUTY JOHNSON -- I THINK HE SAID HE HAD FIVE
09:11:15AM DIFFERENT GRANTS.
09:11:16AM AND I WOULD LIKE TO APPLY.
09:11:17AM AND I WOULD LIKE TO GET RECOMMENDED, AGAIN, FOR SOME HELP.
09:11:23AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE QUESTION THEN THAT I HAVE -- AND I
09:11:26AM DON'T --
09:11:27AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: IS THE CHAIR RECOGNIZED?
09:11:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY -- LET MR. SHELBY FINISH AND THEN
09:11:33AM I RECOGNIZE YOU, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:11:35AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY BE RELEVANT TO WHAT I AM ABOUT TO SAY.
09:11:40AM IN ALL DEFERENCE, YIELD TO MR. GUDES.
09:11:44AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: PROBABLY TALKING OF THE TPD CARES GRANT
09:11:48AM THEY ARE GIVING OUT TO DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS.
09:11:50AM MISS SALLY, I WILL SEND A MEMO TO DEPUTY CHIEF JOHNSON OF
09:11:55AM HOW TO FILL OUT THE APPLICATION.
09:11:56AM THEY MEET HAVE DIFFERENT CRITERIA.
09:11:59AM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU MEET THOSE DIFFERENT CRITERIA, BUT I
09:12:02AM WILL HAVE DEPUTY CHIEF JOHNSON TO TRY TO GET IN TOUCH WITH
09:12:06AM YOU.
09:12:06AM GO NEXT DOOR AND LEAVE YOUR NUMBER OR E-MAIL, AND I WILL MAKE
09:12:10AM SURE HE GETS IT TODAY.
09:12:11AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
09:12:11AM AND GOD BLESS AND SAVE US ALL AND SAVE AMERICA.
09:12:14AM AMEN.
09:12:15AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
09:12:19AM FOLLOWING THAT UP, THIS IS A FUNCTION OF THE ADMINISTRATION,
09:12:23AM WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE SHE IS REQUESTING MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE
09:12:26AM FOR YOU TO DO FROM THE DAIS AND I WANTED TO RAISE THAT ISSUE
09:12:29AM AND LOOKS LIKE THE SOLUTION HAS BEEN PRODUCED.
09:12:32AM SO THANK YOU.
09:12:32AM >> THANK YOU.
09:12:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:12:35AM >> GOOD MORNING.
09:12:40AM STEPHANIE.
09:12:43AM I WANTED TO CONFIRM THIS IS A WORKSHOP, AND I CAN COMMENT ON
09:12:46AM THE OTHER ITEMS AS THEY ARE HEARD, CORRECT?
09:12:50AM THAT'S USUALLY THE CASE.
09:12:52AM I WANT TO MAKE SURE.
09:12:53AM THERE ARE A COUPLE OF LITTLE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS.
09:12:56AM ONE, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAD CANDIDATES THAT WERE
09:12:59AM RUNNING FOR OFFICE WHO DID NOT LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:13:02AM AND WHEN I CONTACTED THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS, THEY SAID NOT
09:13:07AM OUR PROBLEM.
09:13:08AM WE DON'T CHECK THAT.
09:13:09AM NOW I WILL NOTE THAT WHEN COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WAS APPOINTED,
09:13:14AM THERE WERE TWO PEOPLE WHO RAN FOR THAT HOP WANTED TO BE
09:13:18AM INCLUDED IN THAT.
09:13:19AM AND THEY WERE ALMOST IMMEDIATELY -- PROBABLY WITHIN 24 HOURS
09:13:23AM RULED OUT AS NONCITIZENS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:13:26AM I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY IT WAS ALLOWED TO CONTINUE.
09:13:30AM WHY ITS NOT BEEN FOLLOWED UP ON.
09:13:32AM WHY IF SOMEBODY ASKED ABOUT IT, WHY IT WASN'T INVESTIGATED.
09:13:37AM THERE IS ONE -- ONE I AM FAIRLY CERTAIN OF.
09:13:42AM I LOOKED AT THE TAX RECORDS.
09:13:44AM THE TAX RECORDS SAY THEY LIVE IN RIVERVIEW.
09:13:48AM THEY HAD HOMESTEAD THERE AND ANOTHER ISSUE.
09:13:50AM HERE IS MY PROBLEM.
09:13:52AM MY PROBLEM IS NOT WITH AN INDIVIDUAL CANDIDATE.
09:13:55AM MY PROBLEM IS THAT THAT CANDIDATE PROBABLY FORCED US INTO A
09:13:58AM RUNOFF THAT COST TAX DOLLARS.
09:14:01AM THAT IS AN ISSUE FOR ME.
09:14:02AM EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE TO VERIFY WHERE THEY LIVE.
09:14:04AM STANDING UP THERE SAYING I FILLED UP THIS PAPERWORK, AND I
09:14:08AM DIDN'T LIE ON IT ISN'T ENOUGH FOR ME PERSONALLY SO I WOULD
09:14:13AM LIKE -- I ALREADY CONTACTED MISS ZELMAN ABOUT IT A COUPLE OF
09:14:17AM WEEKS AGO JUST BEFORE THE ELECTION, BUT I WOULD LIKE THAT
09:14:21AM CITY COUNCIL TAKE SOME TYPE OF ACTION ON IT, BECAUSE THE
09:14:24AM BOARD OF ELECTIONS SAYS WE DON'T TOUCH THAT.
09:14:27AM WE DON'T DO THAT.
09:14:28AM SO THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ORDINANCE OF SOME SORT THAT REQUIRES
09:14:31AM THAT FOLKS NEED TO BE IN THE CITY.
09:14:32AM AND REQUIRES SOMEBODY TO VERIFY THAT.
09:14:35AM I KNOW IT CAN BE DONE, BECAUSE IT WAS DONE WHEN MISS HURTAK
09:14:39AM WAS APPOINTED.
09:14:40AM I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE.
09:14:42AM I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU JUST A SECOND FOR THE MAYOR'S
09:14:45AM NEIGHBORHOOD UNIVERSITY.
09:14:46AM MY UNDERSTANDING THAT MY NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS ARE NOT IN THE
09:14:56AM NEIGHBORHOOD UNIVERSITY.
09:14:57AM YOU HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WITH IT.
09:14:59AM YOU NEVER INVITED OR ATTENDED UNLESS YOU ARE A NEIGHBORHOOD
09:15:02AM LEADER, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING AND I ALREADY MAILED AND I
09:15:07AM DIDN'T GET A RESPONSE THAT ONLY BRAND-NEW NEIGHBORHOODS ARE
09:15:10AM ALLOWED TO ATTEND.
09:15:11AM BUT T.H.A.N. IS NOT BEING INFORMED OF THESE NEW
09:15:14AM NEIGHBORHOODS OR THEIR PARTICIPATION IN THE CITY.
09:15:16AM WHY?
09:15:18AM JUST ASKING.
09:15:19AM SO MUCH THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF LITTLE THINGS I WANTED TO
09:15:24AM ADDRESS, AND I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE VERY BOTTOM OF
09:15:27AM MY HEART.
09:15:28AM YOU KNOW HOW NEAR AND DEAR CMT WAS TO ME BECAUSE MOST OF YOU
09:15:33AM HEARD OF IT WHEN YOU TRIED TO TURN IT OFF WHEN THE GOVERNOR
09:15:35AM WANTED TO TURN IT OFF.
09:15:36AM IT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA HAVE A
09:15:39AM VOICE IN THIS CHAMBER BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY PLACE THEY
09:15:42AM HAVE A VOICE.
09:15:42AM THANK YOU.
09:15:43AM >> UHURU, MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
09:15:57AM I SAY UHURU BECAUSE MEANS FREEDOM IN SWAHILI.
09:16:02AM WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE ANY OF FREEDOM.
09:16:06AM IT BRINGS A JOY TO MY HEART THINKING OF FREEDOM.
09:16:09AM THIS CITY COUNCIL LIKE OTHER CITY COUNCILS THROUGHOUT THE
09:16:13AM ENTIRE UNITED STATES, THROUGHOUT THE WORLD, THEY ARE MOST
09:16:15AM LIKE FUNCTIONARIES IN PUBLIC GOVERNMENTS AND PUPPET.
09:16:19AM THEY ARE NOT EVEN LEADERS.
09:16:22AM NOT EVEN LEADERS.
09:16:23AM THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WE SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN NO.
09:16:26AM WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED WITH DONALD TRUMP.
09:16:29AM WITH OTHER PEOPLE.
09:16:30AM ANYBODY CAN RUN FOR THESE OFFICES AND GET IT.
09:16:33AM A MAN FROM McDONALD'S RUNNING IF THE OFFICE TO BE IN CITY
09:16:36AM GOVERNMENT.
09:16:36AM NOBODY KNOWS NOTHING BUT BEING AN EMPLOYER, AND THAT'S IT.
09:16:40AM NOTHING IN THE COMMUNITY.
09:16:41AM NOTHING ANYWHERE KNOW HIM FOR OTHER THAN THE BIG FIASCO IN A
09:16:48AM NEIGHBORHOOD DOWN IN BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
09:16:50AM THAT IS A CERTAIN KIND OF REALITY THAT WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE.
09:16:56AM DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT PROBLEMS.
09:16:57AM AFRICAN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT SPEED BUMPS, DRUGS, LOUD MUSIC.
09:17:02AM WHATSOEVER THEY TALK ABOUT.
09:17:03AM BUT OF NO SIGNIFICANCE.
09:17:05AM WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE, WHEN WE APPROACH THESE CITY COUNCILS
09:17:09AM AND CITY GOVERNMENT AND PRY HAVE THE CORPORATIONS, WE NEED
09:17:13AM TO TALK ABOUT REPARATIONS.
09:17:14AM I WANT TO SAY THE BLACK PEOPLE.
09:17:15AM I WANT TO SAY TO BLACK PEOPLE, WHITE PEOPLE HAVE A DUTY AND
09:17:20AM RESPONSIBILITY THAT THEY OWE US TRILLIONS AND TRILLIONS AND
09:17:22AM TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT OUR ANCESTORS DIDN'T WORK FOR
09:17:25AM FREE.
09:17:25AM DIDN'T WORK UNDER PAY.
09:17:27AM DIDN'T GET SLAVERY AND AMERICA AND NO ONE ELSE.
09:17:30AM WHITE WESTERN CIVILIZATION IS NOT GETTING THAT FOR FREE AN
09:17:33AM WE NEED OUR REPARATIONS.
09:17:34AM AFRICAN PEOPLE, WHEN WE COME DOWN HERE -- MOST AFRICAN
09:17:38AM PEOPLE ARE SCARED TO COME DOWN HERE.
09:17:40AM THAT IS WHY YOU DON'T SEE -- WE HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS IN
09:17:42AM THE 'HOOD, BUT MOST AFRICAN PEOPLE WON'T COME DOWN HERE,
09:17:46AM PERIOD.
09:17:47AM WHY?
09:17:48AM BECAUSE THEY'RE FRAYED.
09:17:49AM THEY ARE SIMPLY AFRAID.
09:17:50AM THEY ARE AFRAID OF GOVERNMENT.
09:17:51AM THEY ARE AFRAID OF THE POLICE.
09:17:53AM THEY ARE AFRAID OF GETTING KICKED OUT OF THEIR HOMES.
09:17:57AM PEOPLE ARE AFRAID.
09:17:57AM AFRAID OF EVERYTHING.
09:17:59AM AFRAID.
09:17:59AM 100% TERRIFIED AND THAT TERROR JUST LEADS MOSTLY AFRICAN
09:18:05AM PEOPLE TO ALL KIND OF CRAZINESS.
09:18:06AM ALCOHOLISM, DRUG ADDICTION, MISEDUCATION.
09:18:10AM WE ARE NOT BEING EDUCATED.
09:18:11AM NOTHING, THE SYSTEM DOES ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY NOTHING FOR
09:18:15AM US.
09:18:15AM AND SITTING ON TRILLIONS AND TRILLIONS AND TRILLIONS OF
09:18:18AM DOLLARS.
09:18:18AM THAT THOSE ARE OUR DOLLARS.
09:18:20AM SAN FRANCISCO SAYS $5 MILLION PER PERSON.
09:18:23AM REAL DOLLARS.
09:18:24AM NOT INFLATED DOLLARS.
09:18:26AM AND WE NEED PART OF THAT MONEY.
09:18:28AM BLACK PEOPLE WHEN WE COME DOWN HERE, WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT
09:18:32AM REPARATIONS.
09:18:32AM ONLY THING TO TALK ABOUT REPARATIONS.
09:18:35AM ALL THAT OTHER STUFF TONIGHT MA THE OTHER.
09:18:37AM WHITE PEOPLE OWE US AND THEY HAVE TO PAY US.
09:18:39AM PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
09:18:40AM NOT TALKING ABOUT SPEED BUMPS.
09:18:43AM WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT LOUD MUSIC.
09:18:45AM NOT TALKING OF PARKS AND RECREATION.
09:18:47AM OR MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR. HOLIDAYS OR JUNETEENTH OR NONE OF
09:18:50AM THAT IGNORANT STUFF.
09:18:51AM WE ARE TALKING WHITE PEOPLE OWE US INDIVIDUALLY MILLIONS OF
09:18:55AM DOLLARS IN REPARATIONS.
09:18:56AM THANK YOU.
09:18:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:18:58AM >> GOOD MORNING.
09:19:15AM I SAY GOOD MORNING.
09:19:18AM >> GOOD MORNING.
09:19:20AM >> MY NAME IS PASTOR WILLIAMS, PARADISE MISSIONARY BAPTIST
09:19:26AM CHURCH, 1112 EAST SCOTT STREET.
09:19:28AM AND I AM GRATEFUL TO GOD TO BE HERE TO SEE ANOTHER DAY.
09:19:33AM I WANT TO READ SOME SCRIPTURE TO YOU ALL, BUT I KNOW YOU
09:19:37AM DON'T WANT TO HEAR THEM.
09:19:38AM BUT I -- FOR GOOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY
09:19:45AM BEGOTTEN, WHO SHALL BELIEVE IN HIM SHALL NOT PERISH, BUT
09:19:48AM HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE.
09:19:53AM I JUST THANK GOD FOR THIS DAY.
09:19:56AM AND IT IS A BLESSING FOR ALL OF US.
09:19:58AM AND NOT JUST ME BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST, BUT FOR
09:20:02AM ALL OF US.
09:20:02AM YOU KNOW, I WAS LISTENING TO THE TV THE OTHER NIGHT, AND
09:20:14AM UKRAINE BEGGING FOR US TO HELP THEM.
09:20:16AM AND WE ARE TELLING THEM THAT WE ARE GOING TO SEND $66
09:20:21AM MILLION.
09:20:21AM THEY DON'T NEED NO MONEY TO FIGHT.
09:20:25AM THEY NEED SOME BODIES.
09:20:27AM COME OVER THERE AND HELP THEM OUT.
09:20:28AM BUT WE SIT BACK LIKE A WELL -- WELL, IT AIN'T KILLING ME.
09:20:34AM THAT IS THE WAY IT OUGHT TO BE?
09:20:36AM NO, WE NEED TO GO AND DEFEND THOSE PEOPLE AND PEOPLE DON'T
09:20:39AM HAVE NO WEAPONS TO FIGHT WITH.
09:20:41AM AND YET WE SIT BACK HERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE DONE DID.
09:20:44AM WE AIN'T DID NOTHING.
09:20:47AM WE GOT THE NAVY.
09:20:49AM WE GOT THE ARMY.
09:20:51AM WE GOT THE AIR FORCE.
09:20:53AM WE GOT THE NATIONAL GUARD.
09:20:54AM AND WON'T SEND NOBODY OVER THERE TO HELP THEM PEOPLE OUT.
09:20:59AM THAT THE WAY YOU TREAT US HERE IN TAMPA ANYWAY, BLACK
09:21:03AM PEOPLE.
09:21:03AM YOU DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING TO HELP US OUT EITHER.
09:21:05AM BUT WE ARE PRAYING TO ALMIGHTY GOD THAT GOD WILL INTERVENE
09:21:10AM AND DO WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO.
09:21:11AM AND WHATEVER HE NEEDS TO DO, HE GOT TO DO IT.
09:21:14AM EXPECT NOBODY TELL HIM HE CAN'T DO IT.
09:21:17AM HE DO IT WHEN HE GETS READY.
09:21:19AM AND WE MUST PRAISE HIM AND GLORIFY HIM AT ALL TIMES.
09:21:23AM I KNOW PEOPLE DON'T LIKE ME BECAUSE I'M A BELIEVER IN JESUS
09:21:27AM CHRIST, BUT IT MAKES ME NO DIFFERENT.
09:21:28AM I AM GOING TO BE A BELIEVER MORE SO NOW THAN I EVER HAVE
09:21:33AM BEEN IN MY WHOLE LIFE.
09:21:34AM I KNOW I AM NOT WHAT GOD WANTS ME TO BE, BUT I AM TRYING TO
09:21:37AM GET THERE.
09:21:38AM AND I THANK GOD FOR MY LIFE.
09:21:42AM TO BE ABLE ONE DAY TO GET ANOTHER YEAR OLDER.
09:21:45AM I PRAISE HIM AND GLARE PHI HIM EVERYWHERE I GO.
09:21:48AM I HAD A LETTER I WANT TO RUN BY -- BRING UP HERE.
09:21:52AM YOU WILL HAVE A MEETING NEXT WEEK, I WILL MAKE SURE I HAVE
09:21:56AM THAT WITH ME.
09:21:57AM TO PRAY AND LET PEOPLE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE ALL ABOUT.
09:22:00AM WE ARE NOT ABOUT PEOPLE OF COLOR.
09:22:02AM WE ARE ABOUT PEOPLE -- WHAT PEOPLE BELIEVE.
09:22:05AM AND THAT IS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT.
09:22:07AM AND I BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST TO THE FULLNESS OF MY HEART,
09:22:11AM WHETHER YOU THINK SO OR NOT.
09:22:13AM AND YOU KNOW WHAT?
09:22:15AM WE GOT TO LEARN TO RESPECT EACH OTHER.
09:22:16AM REGARDLESS OF WHAT COLOR THEY IS.
09:22:20AM IN JESUS'S HOLY NAME.
09:22:21AM AMEN.
09:22:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:22:26AM >> I KNOW THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT.
09:22:28AM HOW ARE YOU DOING?
09:22:32AM ARE YOU GOOD?
09:22:34AM I AM GOOD, YEAH, I'M GLAD TO SEE YOU.
09:22:36AM >> GLAD TO SEE YOU TOO.
09:22:37AM >> GOD BLESS YOU.
09:22:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE IN CHAMBERS THAT WISHES
09:22:42AM TO SPEAK TO PUBLIC COMMENT?
09:22:46AM >> WHAT DID HE SAY?
09:22:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I ASKED IF ANYBODY ELSE IN CHAMBERS THAT
09:22:50AM WANTED TO SPEAK AT PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:22:52AM DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ON LINE?
09:23:03AM SORRY, I DON'T HAVE ANY NAMES --
09:23:06AM >>CLERK: MR. RANDOLPH?
09:23:09AM MR. RANDOLPH?
09:23:11AM PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND SPEAK.
09:23:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MICHAEL RANDOLPH, ARE YOU THERE?
09:23:16AM >> I'M HERE.
09:23:17AM MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH WITH THE WEST TAMPA COMMUNITY
09:23:22AM DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
09:23:23AM WHAT IS UNIQUE ABOUT TODAY IS THAT TODAY I WILL BE SPEAKING
09:23:28AM IN THIS MEETING AND DURING THIS EVENING'S MEETING.
09:23:31AM THE FOCUS I WILL BE TALKING ABOUT IS THE BENEFIT AGREEMENT.
09:23:35AM WE GOT -- GOING TO BE ONE OF THE FIRST OF A KIND IN THE
09:23:38AM NATION.
09:23:39AM AND BY THE COMMUNITY TO SIT AT THE TABLE TO CREATE ITS OWN
09:23:44AM BILL.
09:23:44AM FOUR KEY COMPONENTS TO THIS THAT I WILL TALK ABOUT TODAY.
09:23:49AM I WILL TALK ABOUT THE NUMBERS.
09:23:52AM THE FIRST KEY COMPONENT IS THAT IT REDUCES GENTRIFICATION
09:23:57AM INTENTIONALLY.
09:24:00AM THE OTHER THING IT DOES IS REDUCE CRIME BY PROVIDING
09:24:04AM OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE HOP ARE PART OF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE
09:24:09AM SYSTEM.
09:24:09AM IT CREATES GENERATIONAL WEALTH AND IT PROVIDES PEOPLE WITH
09:24:13AM AN OPPORTUNITY TO START THEIR OWN BUSINESS.
09:24:16AM THAT ADDS SUPPLEMENTAL INCOME AND FULL-TIME INCOME.
09:24:21AM AND FINALLY REDUCES THE TECHNOLOGICAL GAP IN THE COMMUNITY.
09:24:27AM AS YOU KNOW, 45% OF RESIDENTS IN WEST TAMPA LIVE BELOW THE
09:24:31AM POVERTY LEVEL.
09:24:32AM THE NAME THEY GO TO BED WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT THEY WILL
09:24:36AM BE DISPLACED BY THE NEW DEVELOPMENT GOING ON.
09:24:41AM OUR PROGRAM INTENTIONALLY EMBODIED DESIGN TO REDUCE
09:24:48AM GENTRIFICATION.
09:24:49AM THINK OF THE MOTHER WORKING FOR YEARS.
09:24:51AM THREE KIDS.
09:24:52AM PAYING RENT.
09:24:53AM AND NOW THE RENT IS GOING UP, SHE CAN'T AFFORD IT.
09:24:57AM OUR PROGRAM PROVIDES SUPPLEMENTAL INCOME FOR HER TO BE ABLE
09:25:00AM TO DO IT.
09:25:01AM ALSO FOCUSES ON THOSE WITH CRIMINAL RECORDS, THE DISABLED,
09:25:05AM SENIOR CITIZENS, AND AT-RISK YOUTH.
09:25:07AM I AM HAPPY TO BE PART OF THE TEAM THAT YOU WILL BE MEETING
09:25:10AM TONIGHT TO SAY THAT WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE IS SO SHOW THAT
09:25:14AM WE CAN REDUCE GENTRIFICATION AND HAVE DEVELOPMENT AT THE
09:25:18AM SAME TIME.
09:25:18AM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:25:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. RANDOLPH.
09:25:23AM AT THIS TIME, WE WILL HAVE THE AGENDA REVIEW.
09:25:26AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:25:29AM THIS IS YOURS.
09:25:30AM >>LUIS VIERA: WHY IT IS.
09:25:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: STILL HEARING THIS.
09:25:33AM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY.
09:25:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:25:36AM >>LUIS VIERA: FUNNY BECAUSE WE OFTEN SAY ON CITY COUNCIL
09:25:40AM STAFF REPORTS THAT SHOULD BE WORKSHOPS.
09:25:42AM I HAVE TWO WORKSHOPS THAT PROBABLY SHOULD BE STAFF REPORTS.
09:25:45AM I DON'T ANTICIPATE THESE GOING VERY LONG FOR PURPOSE OF
09:25:48AM WORKFORCES.
09:25:49AM JUST WANTED TO NOTE THE IRONY.
09:25:52AM YES, SIR.
09:25:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ITEM NUMBER 2.
09:25:56AM WILL BHIDE ASKED TO CONTINUE UNTIL APRIL 22.
09:26:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS FROM COUNCILMAN
09:26:05AM VIERA.
09:26:05AM SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:26:07AM ALL IN FAVOR.
09:26:07AM ANY OBJECTIONS?
09:26:09AM MOTION CARRIES.
09:26:10AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3.
09:26:14AM COUNCILMAN VIERA, WE WILL GO FORWARD WITH IT.
09:26:20AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:26:24AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
09:26:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I BELIEVE THAT CLEARS UP OUR AGENDA REVIEW.
09:26:28AM MR. SHELBY.
09:26:29AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:26:30AM MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
09:26:33AM A REMINDER AND IT APPEARS ON YOUR AGENDA AT 11:00, WE ARE --
09:26:38AM THE ADMINISTERING IS GOING TO BE -- AND I WILL BE REQUESTING
09:26:40AM A HARD STOP FOR A CLOSED SESSION.
09:26:44AM AS IT IS LISTED ON THE AGENDA AND WE WILL DISCUSS THAT AT
09:26:47AM THE TIME.
09:26:47AM IF FOR WHATEVER REASON COUNCIL IS DONE WITH THIS AGENDA, I
09:26:52AM WOULD ASK THAT YOU TAKE A RECESS UNTIL 11:00 AND RECONVENE
09:26:55AM HERE TO GO ANNOUNCE -- TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION.
09:26:58AM BUT IF YOU CAN SEE IN FRONT OF YOU THAT EACH OF THE
09:27:03AM COUNCILMEMBERS ARE INCLUDED.
09:27:04AM SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU REMAIN FOR THAT IF YOU PLEASE DO FOR
09:27:08AM THE DISCUSSION AND WHEN WE GO INTO CLOSED SESSION, WHAT YOU
09:27:12AM DO THEN IS YOU WOULD GO UP TO THE LOCATION OF IT, WE WOULD
09:27:15AM BE ON THE -- ON THE 8th FLOOR OF OLD CITY HALL IN THE
09:27:22AM CONFERENCE ROOM.
09:27:23AM AND WE GO IMMEDIATELY INTO THE CLOSED SESSION AND
09:27:27AM RETURN BACK HERE AND RECONVENE TO CLOSE OUT THAT MEETING.
09:27:30AM THANK YOU.
09:27:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:27:32AM FIRST AGENDA ITEM, FILE NUMBER CM-22-75606.
09:27:39AM >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I SAY SOMETHING, MR. CHAIR?
09:27:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
09:27:58AM >>LUIS VIERA: I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING.
09:28:00AM YOU ARE SUCH A WONDERFUL ASSET TO OUR CITY WITH THE MANY
09:28:03AM HATS YOU WEAR WITHIN THE DISABILITY COMMUNITY.
09:28:06AM WE ARE ALWAYS TOGETHER ON THINGS AND YOU DO A GREAT JOB.
09:28:10AM I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
09:28:12AM THIS -- WE HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
09:28:14AM THE REASON WE BROUGHT THIS UP IS THAT THE TAMPA BAY AREA HAS
09:28:17AM THE THIRD HIGHEST CONCENTRATION OF PEOPLE WHO ARE DEAF OR
09:28:21AM HARD OF HEARING WITHIN OUR UNITED STATES.
09:28:23AM SO I WANTED TO SEE WHAT, IF ANY, CITY SERVICES COULD BE
09:28:28AM IMPROVED ON THIS.
09:28:30AM IT WAS REQUESTED TO DO THIS BY OUR FRIEND MR. DC GOUTOUFAS
09:28:35AM WHO IS A NICE GENTLEMAN AND WHAT NOT AND I WANTED TO THANK
09:28:39AM YOU FOR YOUR WORK AND YOUR DILIGENT EFFORT.
09:28:41AM THANK YOU.
09:28:41AM THANK YOU.
09:28:42AM >> THANK YOU.
09:28:43AM I ALSO WANT TO THANK COUNCIL FOR ALL OF THEIR SUPPORT FOR
09:28:47AM ACCESS OF PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES IN OUR COMMUNITY.
09:28:50AM I KNOW THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS FEEL THE SUPPORT DAILY.
09:28:52AM THEY APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR LEADERSHIP AND ESPECIALLY
09:28:55AM COUNCILMAN VIERA'S LEADERSHIP IN THE COMMUNITY.
09:28:57AM I HEAR FROM HE CANNILY FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS OF THE
09:28:59AM GRATITUDE THEY HAVE FOR EACH OF YOU FOR THEIR ACKNOWLEDGMENT
09:29:02AM OF ACCESS OF PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES AND THE IMPORTANCE OF
09:29:05AM IT.
09:29:05AM SO I WANTED TO FIRST SHARE -- I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY
09:29:09AM TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK ABOUT HOW THE CITY IS SERVING AND MAKING
09:29:13AM SURE THAT PERSON WHO HAVE HEARING DISABILITIES WHO ARE DEAF
09:29:16AM AND HARD OF HEARING HAVE ACCESS TO OUR CITY SERVICES.
09:29:19AM SO ONE OF THE MAJOR REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE AMERICANS WITH
09:29:24AM DISABILITIES ACT THAT WE HAVE AN ADA NOTICE.
09:29:26AM THIS PROVIDES INDIVIDUALS WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO REQUEST
09:29:29AM ACCOMMODATIONS AS THEY NEED IT.
09:29:30AM SO THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS AN ADA STATEMENT THAT SHOULD BE
09:29:35AM PLACED ON ALL OF OUR MEETING NOTIFICATIONS, PUBLIC EVENT
09:29:39AM NOTIFICATIONS SO PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES HAVE THE ABILITY
09:29:42AM TO REQUEST ACCOMMODATIONS IF THEY NEED IT.
09:29:45AM FOR EXAMPLE, THOSE DEAF AND HARD OF HEARING AMERICAN SIGN
09:29:48AM LANGUAGE OR CAPTIONING SERVICES.
09:29:50AM SO THERE IS A MECHANIC FOR THEM TO REQUEST IT.
09:29:52AM ALSO, TOO, WITH EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATION, WE DO HAVE
09:29:56AM CONTRACTORS AVAILABLE FOR AMERICAN SIGN LANGUAGE
09:30:01AM INTERPRETING SERVICES THAT ARE IN PLACE.
09:30:03AM AND ALSO HAVE AGENCIES THAT PROVIDE THE CAPTIONING SERVICES.
09:30:05AM YOU WILL NOTICE OUR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS ARE ALWAYS
09:30:08AM CAPTIONED WITH THANKS TO TNI TO ARRANGE THOSE.
09:30:14AM THE CITY OF TAMPA RECEIVE ACCOLADES OF OUR EFFORTS REGARDING
09:30:19AM EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS AND DISASTER PREPAREDNESS OF
09:30:24AM COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO ARE DEAF WHO USE AMERICAN SIGN
09:30:26AM LANGUAGE ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND THE MESSAGES THAT OUR EMERGENCY
09:30:29AM MANAGEMENT TEAM AND MAYOR CASTOR'S GIVE.
09:30:32AM I AM GRATEFUL FOR OUR COMMUNICATIONS AND MARKETING TEAM THEY
09:30:35AM ALLOW ME TO BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE AMERICAN SIGN LANGUAGE
09:30:40AM INTERPRETING.
09:30:41AM I HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY, I OFTEN HEAR THIS IS NOT A COMMON
09:30:45AM -- A COMMON SERVICE THAT IS PROVIDED.
09:30:46AM AND MANY INDIVIDUALS IN OTHER LOCATIONS OFTEN FEEL AT A
09:30:51AM DISADVANTAGE BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT READILY UNDERSTANDING WHAT
09:30:54AM IS HAPPENING DURING THOSE EMERGENCY EVENTS.
09:30:56AM SO THEY ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR OUR CITY EFFORTS IN THAT WAY.
09:30:59AM SOME OF OUR BEST PRACTICES THAT WE DO IS WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN
09:31:03AM ADVISORY COUNCIL WITH THE TAMPA MAYOR'S ALLIANCE OF PERSONS
09:31:07AM WITH DISABILITIES AND COMPRISED OF INDIVIDUALS WITH PEOPLE
09:31:10AM WITH VARYING DISABILITIES AND ACTIVELY PARTICIPATE IN THE
09:31:14AM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY ALLIANCE OF CITIZENS WITH DISABILITIES.
09:31:16AM BOTH GROUPS COMPRISED OF PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES, LOCAL
09:31:20AM AGENCY PROVIDERS.
09:31:21AM I CONTINUOUSLY SEEK FEEDBACK FROM THEM OF HOW TO IMPROVE OUR
09:31:26AM SERVICES AND RECENTLY OUTREACHED TO SEVERAL COMMUNITY
09:31:29AM MEMBERS, AS WELL AS USF WHO ARE DEAF AND HARD OF HEARING
09:31:32AM ABOUT A PROJECT WITH THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT IN REGARDS
09:31:35AM TO COMMUNICATION CARDS.
09:31:37AM I AM HOPING THAT THE COMMUNICATION CARDS MIGHT BE ABLE TO
09:31:41AM FACILITATE COMMUNICATION WITH INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE DEAF AND
09:31:43AM HARD OF HEARING.
09:31:44AM IN ADDITION TO THAT, TPD AND FIRE RESCUE CURRENTLY HAVE IN
09:31:50AM PLACE THE SPECIAL NEEDS REGISTRY.
09:31:52AM YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IN TWO YEARS AGO.
09:31:54AM IT WAS LAUNCHED LAST YEAR.
09:31:56AM I LOSE TRACK OF MY TIME.
09:31:57AM WE ALSO -- THEY ALSO INITIATED A PROGRAM WHERE COMMUNITY
09:32:01AM MEMBERS CAN RECEIVE STICKERS THAT THEY CAN PLACE EITHER ON
09:32:03AM THEIR FRONT FACING WINDOW OR INSIDE THEIR HOME OR ON THEIR
09:32:07AM VEHICLE TO ALERT FIRST RESPONDERS TO KNOW THEY MAY HAVE A
09:32:11AM DISABILITY.
09:32:12AM FORECAST, A PERSON DEAF AND HARD OF HEARING, AN INDIVIDUAL
09:32:15AM WITH ALZHEIMER'S OR DEMENTIA, PEOPLE AUTISTIC WHO HAVE
09:32:20AM SPECIAL NEED OR INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE DIABETIC.
09:32:22AM THOSE CAN BE THE NOTIFICATIONS TO OUR FIRST RESPONDERS TO
09:32:25AM LET THEM KNOW THERE IS AN INDIVIDUAL WHO EITHER IS IN THE
09:32:28AM VEHICLE OR RECEDES IN THE HOME THAT MIGHT HAVE SOME
09:32:30AM COMMUNICATION LIMITATIONS AND BEING ABLE TO INTERACT WITH
09:32:35AM THE FIRST RESPONDERS.
09:32:36AM AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
09:32:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:32:42AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
09:32:44AM THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE GREAT WORK THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA IS
09:32:48AM DOING, THIS IS MORE LIKE A STAFF REPORT.
09:32:50AM SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
09:32:52AM LET ME ASK YOU, WITH REGARD TO FIRST RESPONDERS WITH POLICE
09:32:56AM AND FIRE, DO YOU THINK THAT -- IS THERE MAYBE ROOM FOR MORE
09:33:01AM TRAINING WHENEVER IT COMES TO MAYBE IDENTIFYING PEOPLE?
09:33:04AM >> YES.
09:33:05AM SO I -- I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT NEW FIRE RESCUE RECRUITS
09:33:10AM ACTUALLY RECEIVE ADA TRAINING.
09:33:13AM HE WAS OUT THERE WITH THE NEW FIRE RESCUE RECRUITS.
09:33:16AM HE BELIEVE THAT NEW TPD EMPLOYEES WILL ALSO HAVE AN ADA
09:33:21AM TRAINING THEY GO THROUGH.
09:33:22AM A VIRTUAL TRAINING THAT THEY DO THAT IS SELF-PACED.
09:33:26AM AND CITY STAFF IN GENERAL -- ALL NEW CITY STAFF MEMBERS, I
09:33:30AM DO AN ADA TRAINING WITH THEM.
09:33:32AM COVERS NOT ONLY INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE DEAF AND HARD OF HEARING
09:33:36AM BUT SERVING OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS WITH A VARIETY OF
09:33:39AM DIFFERENT TYPES OF DISABILITIES EQUIPPED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE
09:33:42AM RESPONDING RESPECTFULLY AND EFFECTIVELY DURING THOSE IT
09:33:47AM INTERSECTIONS.
09:33:48AM >>LUIS VIERA: GREAT.
09:33:48AM SEEMS TO ME FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN THAT THE BUCKHORN
09:33:51AM ADMINISTRATION'S AUTISM SENSORY FRIENDLY -- TAMPA FRIENDLY
09:33:56AM AUTISM PROGRAM HAS A TRICKLE-DOWN EFFECT ON OTHER AREAS OF
09:34:01AM THE CITY WITH DISABILITIES BEING MORE COGNIZANT AND THIS
09:34:06AM APPEARS TO BE ONE OF THEM WHICH IS A WONDERFUL THING.
09:34:08AM IT IS FUNNY AND I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
09:34:11AM >> THANK YOU.
09:34:12AM AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE.
09:34:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:34:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THIS AS WELL.
09:34:18AM I THINK THIS IS ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS.
09:34:19AM GOOD TO SEE THAT WE ARE ALWAYS CONTINUING TO FIND ROOM FOR
09:34:24AM IMPROVEMENT AND WAYS TO EXPAND.
09:34:26AM AND SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE DOING A WONDERFUL JOB.
09:34:29AM MY ONLY QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE WHY YOU ARE PLANS IN THE
09:34:31AM FUTURE?
09:34:32AM WHAT ARE WE DOING TO EITHER REACH OUT TO MORE OR OTHER
09:34:36AM INITIATIVES THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO FORWARD WITH THAT WE,
09:34:40AM AS A COUNCIL, CAN HELP?
09:34:42AM >> EXCELLENT.
09:34:43AM AND THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN.
09:34:45AM TYPICALLY THE PLANS ALWAYS ARE TO CONTINUE TO SELF-EVALUATE.
09:34:51AM TO MAKE SURE WE ARE LOOKING THE ALL OF OUR PROCESSES.
09:34:53AM I TRY TO EMBED MYSELF WITH REGARD TO ANY NEW PROJECTS THAT
09:34:59AM ARE HAPPENING WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:35:00AM POSE QUESTION OF HOW ACCESS OF DISABILITIES ARE ACTUALLY
09:35:04AM BEING CONSIDERED.
09:35:05AM I HAVE A WONDERFUL JOB BECAUSE ALL OF OUR CITY COLLEAGUES
09:35:08AM ARE VERY RECEPTIVE TO -- WHEN I AM POSING THE QUESTIONS AND
09:35:11AM USUALLY HAVE -- A SOLUTION FOCUS APPROACH TO THE EFFORTS
09:35:17AM THAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO.
09:35:18AM I ALWAYS THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO HEAR FROM THE
09:35:22AM COMMUNITY.
09:35:23AM SO I CONTINUE TO INVOLVE MYSELF AND ACTUAL MEETINGS WITHIN
09:35:27AM THE COMMUNITY, OUTREACHING TO VARIOUS COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
09:35:31AM ONE AREA I WOULD LIKE TO DO AND I ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH
09:35:34AM COUNCILMAN VIERA ABOUT THIS.
09:35:35AM WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE A PERSON ON THE MAYOR'S ALLIANCE OF
09:35:39AM PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES THAT HAS -- WHO IS EITHER DEAF OR
09:35:43AM HARD OF HEARING.
09:35:43AM WHEN WE ORGINALLY DID OUTREACH, WE DID TRY TO FOCUS
09:35:47AM AND POINT THE APPLICATION PROCESS TO SEVERAL COMMUNITY
09:35:53AM MEMBERS TO MAKE SURE WE DO THE RECRUITMENT, BUT SOME OF THE
09:35:56AM INDIVIDUALS WE HAD TARGETED ACTUALLY HAD A LOT OF
09:35:59AM COMMITMENTS PROFESSIONALLY WITH THEIR WORK AND WERE FINDING
09:36:03AM IT DIFFICULT TO EXTEND THEMSELVES FOR ANOTHER COMMITTEE.
09:36:06AM BUT I CERTAINLY WILL -- THAT IS ONE OF THE GOALS WHEN WE DO
09:36:10AM THE NEXT APPLICATION, TO MAKE SURE WE ARE LOOKING AT WHO IS
09:36:13AM CURRENTLY SERVING AND TRYING TO SEE WHO IS NOT REPRESENTED
09:36:16AM ON THE MAYOR'S ALLIANCE OR A DISABILITY CATEGORY THAT IS NOT
09:36:19AM REPRESENTED.
09:36:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
09:36:21AM I LOVE TO SEE THAT WE ARE CONTINUING TO WORK TO INCLUDE
09:36:24AM EVERYONE.
09:36:24AM AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALL THE WORK YOU ARE DOING.
09:36:26AM IT IS WONDERFUL TO HEAR HOW THE STAFF IS SO RESPONSIVE.
09:36:30AM AND, AGAIN, LIKE MR. VIERA SAID, ANYTHING WE CAN TO DO HELP.
09:36:35AM >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
09:36:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:36:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
09:36:39AM I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY IS ALWAYS THINKING OF
09:36:42AM BEING INCLUSIVE AND WELCOMING TO EVERYONE.
09:36:43AM AND I THINK YOU ARE DOING THAT.
09:36:45AM YOU, YOUR TEAM, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WE RECRUIT, AND WE KEEP
09:36:50AM THE FOCUS ON THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND AS THE CITY
09:36:52AM CONTINUES TO GROW.
09:36:53AM I MEAN, WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE.
09:36:56AM AND, AGAIN, WE WANT THEM TO FEEL WELCOMED HERE.
09:36:59AM SO THANK YOU.
09:36:59AM >> THANK YOU.
09:37:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
09:37:04AM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY.
09:37:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:37:07AM >>LUIS VIERA: THE FACT THIS IS A SMALL SHORT WORKSHOP SHOWS
09:37:12AM WHAT A GREAT JOB YOU ARE DOING.
09:37:13AM I MEAN THAT.
09:37:13AM YOU HAVE MY REGARDS.
09:37:15AM >> THANK YOU.
09:37:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:37:17AM >> THANK YOU.
09:37:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NEXT AGENDA ITEM CM 22-78305.
09:37:27AM I AM SORRY, ANYBODY IN CHAMBERS WE SHALL TO SPEAK TO AGENDA
09:37:30AM ITEM NUMBER 1?
09:37:32AM SEEING NONE.
09:37:33AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3, FILE NUMBER CM 22-78305.
09:37:39AM >> GOOD MORNING, JUSTIN VASKE, SENIOR ATTORNEY.
09:37:46AM WITH REGARDS TO ITEM 3 ON THE AGENDA.
09:37:49AM AS A REMINDER, LEGAL STAFF ASKED US TO RESEARCH THE
09:37:54AM POSSIBILITY OF AN ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL CHARTER
09:37:57AM AMENDMENT TO BE PATTERNED AFTER THE 27th WHERE PAY INCREASES
09:38:01AM DO NOT TAKE EFFECT UNTIL AFTER AN ELECTION.
09:38:04AM IN MY RESEARCH, I FOUND THAT THIS HAS BEEN DONE BY CITY
09:38:08AM COUNCIL RESOLUTION OPPOSED TO A CHARTER AMENDMENT OR
09:38:10AM AN ORDINANCE.
09:38:11AM FOR EXAMPLE, ON MAY 26, 2005, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A
09:38:16AM RESOLUTION THAT SET THE SALARY OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND
09:38:19AM AUTHORIZED ANNUAL INCREASES IN SALARY EQUAL TO THE
09:38:25AM ACROSS-THE-BOARD SALARY INCREASES PROVIDED TO MANAGERIAL
09:38:30AM EMPLOYEES AND THEN HAD A CAP AT 3%.
09:38:33AM IN TERMS OF THIS RESOLUTION FROM 2005, THE EFFECTIVE DATE
09:38:36AM WAS TWO YEARS LATER.
09:38:37AM IT WAS APRIL 1, 2002.
09:38:40AM WE HAVE DONE THIS HISTORICALLY BY RESOLUTION SO IN SHORT, IF
09:38:45AM YOU WISH TO SET THE SALARY OF IF COUNCILMEMBERS BY THE NEXT
09:38:51AM CITY COUNCIL.
09:38:51AM THAT CAN BE DONE BY RESOLUTION.
09:38:53AM THAT IS ALL.
09:38:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:38:56AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:38:57AM JUST TO BE CLEAR IN TERMS OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.
09:39:00AM I ORIGINALLY WANTED A CHARTER AMENDMENT FOR IT.
09:39:02AM AND I FOUND OUT WE COULD DO IT BY ORDINANCE, RIGHT.
09:39:05AM MY INTENT WAS, REGARDLESS WHATEVER CITY COUNCIL DOES WITH
09:39:11AM PAY IN THE FUTURE, IT TAKES EFFECT AFTER THE ELECTION, JUST
09:39:15AM LIKE THE 27th AMENDMENT OF THE RESOLUTION THAT CONGRESS
09:39:18AM RAISES SALARY OUTSIDE OF COST-OF-LIVING ADJUSTMENT BECAUSE
09:39:22AM THAT IS NOT AN INFLATION.
09:39:23AM POST-INFLATION.
09:39:25AM PREINFLATION ADJUSTMENT.
09:39:27AM THAT IT TAKES PLACE AFTER AN ELECTION.
09:39:29AM THAT'S IT.
09:39:30AM SO, AGAIN, THIS IS A STAFF REPORT.
09:39:33AM THIS IS NOT REALLY SOMETHING FOR A WORKSHOP, BUT I -- I -- I
09:39:37AM THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS GOOD GOVERNMENT, WHICH IS --
09:39:40AM IF CITY COUNCIL RAISES ITS SALARY OUTSIDE OF THE 3%
09:39:44AM INFLATION THAT IT SHOULD COME -- SHOULD TAKE EFFECT AFTER AN
09:39:48AM ELECTION JUST LIKE WE HAVE FOR CONGRESS.
09:39:50AM I THINK IT IS SIMPLE.
09:39:51AM I THINK IT IS COMMON SENSE.
09:39:53AM I THINK IT IS GOOD GOVERNMENT AND TRANSPARENT.
09:39:57AM AND THAT'S IT.
09:39:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
09:39:59AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:39:59AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:40:01AM IF I REMEMBER THE WHOLE THING -- AND I'M HERE GOING BY
09:40:04AM MEMORY.
09:40:04AM I DON'T HAVE ANY PAPERS IN FRONT OF ME HOW IT STARTED.
09:40:09AM BUT IT WAS BASED ON MIAMI, ST. PETERSBURG AND ORLANDO.
09:40:12AM AND IF I RECALL, ONE WAS 58.
09:40:16AM ONE WAS 54.
09:40:17AM WE WERE AT 53 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
09:40:19AM AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS CAME FROM.
09:40:21AM I DON'T KNOW -- TIME NOT AGAINST RAISES.
09:40:24AM BUT I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT A 42% RAISE.
09:40:28AM THAT IS WHAT IT AMOUNT TO, JUST ABOUT, FROM $53,000 TO
09:40:33AM $72,000.
09:40:33AM I CERTAINLY DIDN'T DO THAT.
09:40:36AM IF YOU ASK ANYONE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THEN WHO HAS BEEN
09:40:39AM IN AN EMPLOYEE ANYWHERE, I DON'T THINK ANYONE HAS GOTTEN A
09:40:44AM 42% RAISE INCREASE.
09:40:45AM IF YOU ASK ANY EMPLOYER WHEN THEY WERE WORKING DID THEY GET
09:40:48AM A 42% INCREASE.
09:40:49AM THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT JUST -- I DON'T SIT WELL WITH.
09:40:53AM I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THE SAME THING THAT HAPPENS TO THE
09:40:57AM GENERAL EMPLOYEES.
09:40:58AM WE ARE NO BETTER OR NO WORSE THAN ANYONE.
09:41:01AM WE ARE FORTUNATE IN HUFF TO LEAD THE CITY AND MAKE IT BETTER
09:41:04AM AT TIMES THAN SOMEONE ELSE DID BEFORE US.
09:41:07AM THOSE ARE THE THINGS I AM LOOKING AT.
09:41:09AM ANOTHER QUESTION WHICH I AM GOING TO SEE HOW MUCH I CAN
09:41:11AM FIND.
09:41:12AM I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS CAME FROM.
09:41:13AM I DON'T WANT FINGER POINTING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION OR
09:41:17AM COUNCIL, BUT COUNCIL FROM THE ADMINISTRATION OR COMBINATION
09:41:20AM OF BOTH, BUT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT IF YOU CAN, WHO
09:41:24AM STARTED THIS?
09:41:25AM >> ME!
09:41:26AM ME!
09:41:27AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND ME.
09:41:29AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING ME.
09:41:31AM BUT THE 72% -- ME HAD TO HAVE SOMEBODY BRING IT TO SOMEBODY
09:41:36AM ELSE.
09:41:36AM I WANT TO KNOW WHERE THAT TRAIL LEADS TO.
09:41:39AM >> THE SCOPE OF MY RESEARCH WAS JUST FOR THE -- THE MOTION
09:41:43AM HERE.
09:41:44AM SO -- I DON'T HAVE ANY THOSE ANSWERS.
09:41:46AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
09:41:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:41:51AM >>LUIS VIERA: I WANT TO BE CLEAR.
09:41:52AM THAT HAS NO RELEVANCY WHATSOEVER TO PROPOSED SALARY
09:41:56AM INCREASES, ETC., ETC.
09:41:58AM THIS IS JUST FOR SAYING IN THE FUTURE WHENEVER CITY COUNCIL
09:42:01AM RAISED ITS SALARY OUTSIDE OF INFLATION ADJUSTMENT THAT IT
09:42:05AM TAKES PLACE AFTER THE ELECTION.
09:42:07AM THAT'S IT.
09:42:08AM AGAIN, COUNCILMEMBERS CAN SPEAK WHATEVER THEY WANT TO, GOD
09:42:11AM BLESS THEM.
09:42:12AM ETC.
09:42:12AM BUT MY INTENT IT FOR THIS IS VERY NARROWLY TAILORED AND WHAT
09:42:19AM NOT TO THIS ISSUE.
09:42:20AM AND THANK YOU.
09:42:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE FROM COUNCIL?
09:42:23AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:42:24AM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, THIS -- THIS DISCUSSION, AS MY
09:42:31AM COLLEAGUE JUST SAID, WAS JUST ABOUT MAKING SURE ANY RAISE
09:42:34AM WOULD COME AFTER AN ELECTION, BUT ON THE IDEA OF RAISES,
09:42:39AM CLEARLY THE ADMINISTRATION DURING THE BUDGET HEARING
09:42:44AM PROPOSED PUBLICLY THAT CITY COUNCIL GET A RAISE.
09:42:47AM NOT SOMETHING PROPOSED BY CITY COUNCIL.
09:42:50AM AFTER THE FACT, THEY SAID THAT DINGFELDER HAD REQUESTED IT,
09:42:53AM BUT HE HAD BEEN GONE FROM CITY COUNCIL FOR MONTHS AND NOT A
09:42:57AM GOOD EXCUSE.
09:42:57AM AND -- WE FOUND OUT LATER IT WAS A SET-UP BECAUSE IT WAS IN
09:43:03AM MAILERS.
09:43:03AM I HAD THREE -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD IT.
09:43:05AM BUT I HAD THREE MAILERS AGAINST ME TALKING ABOUT IT.
09:43:08AM AGAIN TO WHOEVER HAD THIS IDEA, YOU FAILED BECAUSE I WON BY
09:43:13AM 20%.
09:43:13AM AND THE PUBLIC DIDN'T CARE.
09:43:15AM SO THE PUBLIC -- THE PUBLIC WANTS GOOD GOVERNMENT.
09:43:19AM TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT.
09:43:20AM THEY WANT BALANCE OF POWERS.
09:43:22AM YOU KNOW, I HAD SOMEONE WORTH $300 MILLION RUN AGAINST ME.
09:43:29AM AND MOST PROFESSIONALS CANNOT GIVE UP THEIR JOBS, GIVE UP
09:43:33AM THEIR DAY JOBS.
09:43:34AM A FULL-TIME JOB.
09:43:35AM MOST PEOPLE EXPECT GIVE UP THEIR DAY JOB TO WORK IN AN
09:43:38AM OFFICE LIKE THIS.
09:43:39AM I AM NOT GOING TO RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL IN FOUR YEARS.
09:43:42AM I ALREADY SAID THAT.
09:43:43AM I WANT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS TO HAVE SOME KIND OF
09:43:46AM STRUCTURE THAT WILL PAY CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS A BETTER LIVING
09:43:52AM WAGE IN THE FUTURE.
09:43:54AM THERE NEEDS TO BE AN APPARATUS.
09:43:56AM IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE INCREASE OR
09:43:59AM ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
09:44:00AM BUT A CERTAIN APPARATUS.
09:44:02AM MOST OF THE OTHER CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THE STATE ARE PAID
09:44:04AM TOO LITTLE AS WELL.
09:44:05AM I LIVED IN SINGAPORE FIVE YEARS WHERE THEY BELIEVE IN
09:44:08AM FIGHTING AGAINST CORRUPTION PAYING PEOPLE WELL.
09:44:11AM AND ALSO, TO OBVIOUSLY IF THE ADMINISTRATION WORKED WITH
09:44:15AM CAMPAIGN PEOPLE TO SEND OUT THREE MAILERS AGAINST ME AND IT
09:44:19AM HAD NO IMPACT, IT IS NOT A POLITICAL ISSUE.
09:44:21AM IT CREATES NOISE.
09:44:22AM POLITICAL NOISE.
09:44:23AM BUT NOT AN ISSUE.
09:44:25AM AND I AGREE WE SHOULDN'T GIVE OURSELVES RAISES, BUT WE ARE
09:44:29AM NOT GOING TO GET THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST PEOPLE TO RUN FOR
09:44:32AM CITY COUNCIL IN THE FUTURE IF WE DON'T PAY A DECENT WAGE AND
09:44:36AM NOT FAIR THAT THE MAY I DON'T REMEMBER GETS PAID A HUGE
09:44:38AM AMOUNT OF MONEY.
09:44:38AM IF WE EVER PASS SOMETHING, NOT GOING TO IMPACT ME PAUSE I
09:44:42AM WON'T BE ON CITY COUNCIL IN FOUR YEARS, BUT WE NEED TO DO
09:44:45AM SOMETHING ABOUT THIS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE GOOD GOVERNANCE IN
09:44:50AM THE FUTURE.
09:44:50AM NOBODY WILL GIVE UP THEIR BUSINESS OR HIGH PAYING JOB TO
09:44:53AM EARN $53,000.
09:44:54AM TWO OTHER THINGS RELATED TO THAT.
09:44:56AM WHAT PEOPLE MAY NOT REALIZE IS THAT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS GET
09:45:00AM INVITED TO EVENTS ALL THE TIME.
09:45:02AM WE HAVE A CHOICE WE CAN EITHER FILE AN ETHICS FORM SAYING WE
09:45:07AM ACCEPTED A BIG GIFT OR PAY THEM BACK.
09:45:09AM I PAY PEOPLE BACK.
09:45:10AM SO IF SOMEBODY OFFERS ME A TICKET IF IT IS $300 OR WHATEVER,
09:45:15AM I PAY THEM BACK.
09:45:16AM I DON'T LET PEOPLE GIVE ME GIFTS ABOVE $100.
09:45:20AM IF EARNING $A 53,000 A YEAR, YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO DO THAT.
09:45:24AM I AM ASKING THE PUBLIC, WOULD YOU RATHER WHY YOU ARE CITY
09:45:28AM COUNCIL REIMBURSE FOR A TICKET OR GET A FREE TICKET IF THEY
09:45:31AM DISCLOSE IT.
09:45:32AM MY PROPOSAL THAT THEY GET PAID ENOUGH SO THEY CAN AFFORD TO
09:45:36AM PAY FOR THE TICKET ITSELF.
09:45:39AM AND THE OTHER THEY THINK THAT -- AND WE WILL DISCUSS IT -- I
09:45:42AM SPENT $25,000 ON LEGAL FEES NOT DEFENDING MYSELF, BUT
09:45:47AM ANSWERING SUBPOENAS AND FRIVOLOUS LAWSUITS REGARDING OTHER
09:45:52AM PEOPLE.
09:45:52AM AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE STILL IS DISPUTING SOME OF
09:45:55AM THE -- SOME OF THE PAYMENTS ON THAT.
09:45:56AM AND WE NEED TO -- YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT IF -- IF I GET
09:46:02AM PAID $53,000 AND SPENT $25,000 IN LEGAL FEES, HALF -- BEFORE
09:46:06AM TAXES, BY THE WAY, MORE THAN HALF OF MY AFTER-TAX SALARY
09:46:11AM WENT TO LEGAL FEES ANSWERS OTHER PEOPLE'S SUBPOENAS.
09:46:14AM THIS IS A VERY DANGEROUS VOLATILE JOB WITH ALL THE NASTY,
09:46:17AM DIRTY POLITICS GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
09:46:19AM THE POLITICS HAVE GOTTEN WORSE IN THE LAST FEW DAYS THAN I
09:46:23AM EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE.
09:46:25AM THIS IS -- THIS IS SERIOUS THIRD-WORLD STUFF GOING ON IN
09:46:28AM TAMPA RIGHT NOW.
09:46:29AM I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHO IS BEHIND IT.
09:46:30AM HOPEFULLY HAVE INVESTIGATIVE POWERS TO FIGURE IT OUT AT SOME
09:46:35AM POINT.
09:46:35AM CONSIDERING WHAT IS GOING ON.
09:46:36AM A DANGEROUS POSITION.
09:46:37AM YOU EITHER HAVE A CHOICE.
09:46:39AM SOMEONE WORTH MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WHO MAY NOT
09:46:42AM REPRESENT YOUR INTEREST, OR GET SOMEBODY EARNING SO LITTLE
09:46:45AM THEY WILL TAKE GIFTS FROM PEOPLE.
09:46:46AM AND THEY WILL BE VULNERABLE TO PRESSURE OR THREAT OF A
09:46:51AM LAWSUIT.
09:46:51AM IF YOU ARE -- IF YOU ARE THREATENED BY A LAWSUIT, THE -- AND
09:46:54AM YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY TO DEFEND WHY YOURSELF, THE ONLY
09:46:58AM THING YOU CAN DO IS GIVE IN AND BE SWAYED BY PEOPLE
09:47:02AM THREATENING YOU.
09:47:03AM WE NEED PEOPLE TO STAND UP TO THREATS AND PAY THEMSELVES AND
09:47:07AM PEOPLE WHO WON'T TAKE GIFTS.
09:47:08AM I AM NOT PROPOSING ANYTHING RIGHT NOW, BUT WE NEED A
09:47:11AM STRUCTURE TO AFFECT THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL IN FOUR YEARS THAT
09:47:14AM WILL PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF CITY COUNCIL SO THAT WE HAVE
09:47:18AM INDEPENDENCE AND A BALANCE OF POWERS IN THE FUTURE.
09:47:20AM THANK YOU.
09:47:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:47:23AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: IN ALL FAIRNESS, AND I RESPECT EVERYBODY ON
09:47:26AM THE COUNCIL, I MEAN, BUT EVERYBODY CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT
09:47:34AM THE TAPES WHEN IT ALL CAME ABOUT.
09:47:36AM THE CITIZENS CAME AND SPOCK ABOUT HOW WE WERE UNDERPAID.
09:47:39AM NO COUNCILMEMBERS TALKING ABOUT WE WERE UNPAID.
09:47:42AM THE CITIZENS TALKED ABOUT THAT.
09:47:43AM AND AFTER THEY TALKED ABOUT IT SO MUCH, I BELIEVE MR.
09:47:48AM DINGFELDER SAID HAVE MR. BENNETT LOOK INTO WHAT OTHER CITIES
09:47:52AM MAKE.
09:47:52AM THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED.
09:47:54AM WHAT DO OTHER CITIES MAKE.
09:47:56AM ALL OF A SUDDEN THE ADMINISTRATION CAME BACK AND NOW WE KNOW
09:47:59AM IT WAS A SET-UP.
09:48:00AM WHAT OTHER CITIES MAKE.
09:48:03AM AND WE COME BACK THAT WE ARE UNDER -- UNDER THE RADAR.
09:48:07AM SO HOW CAN WE BE A MAJOR CITY AND OTHER PEOPLE ARE MAKING
09:48:11AM MORE MONEY THAN THE COUNCIL IS MAKING.
09:48:13AM WHAT WHY UPSETS ME IS THIS.
09:48:15AM YOU KNOW, WE -- WE, IN FACT, POLITICS SO MUCH IT HAS JUST
09:48:21AM BEEN UNREAL THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE DOING SO PEOPLE WON'T
09:48:25AM BE REELECTED.
09:48:26AM THE THINGS PEOPLE SAY.
09:48:28AM THE LAWSUITS.
09:48:29AM THE INTIMIDATION TACTICS GOING ON.
09:48:32AM JUST UNREAL.
09:48:33AM AND YOU -- YOU CAN'T TRY TO BE A GOOD COUNCILMEMBER AND BE
09:48:38AM DRIVING ALL OVER YOUR DISTRICT TRYING TO GO TO EVENTS.
09:48:41AM GAS IS HIGH.
09:48:42AM GAS IS HIGH.
09:48:45AM PERSON WHO REALLY WANTS TO SERVE, BUT YOU -- YOU KNOW, YOU
09:48:50AM BARELY MEET YOUR AMI LIKE ANY OTHER REGULAR SEASON, BUT YOU
09:48:56AM DO THE TO GO TO EVENTS.
09:48:57AM YOU HAVE TO DRIVE.
09:48:58AM YOU GOT TO SPEND GAS MONEY.
09:49:00AM MR. CARLSON TALKED ABOUT YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR THINGS
09:49:03AM SOMETIMES IF YOU WANT TO REPORT.
09:49:05AM A LOT OF THINGS THAT COME ALONG WITH THIS JOB.
09:49:08AM AND FOR MANY, MANY PEOPLE WHO SAY A PART-TIME JOB.
09:49:12AM THE CHARTER SAYS IT IS A PART-TIME JOB?
09:49:15AM NOTHING IN THE CHARTER THAT SAYS IT IS A PART-TIME JOB.
09:49:18AM BUT YOU ARE ASKED TO DO SO MUCH BUT GET SO LITTLE.
09:49:21AM AND I JUST THINK THAT YOU HAVE TO STAY ABOVE THE RADAR AND
09:49:25AM BE ABLE TO BE EQUAL TO EVERYBODY ELSE.
09:49:27AM YOU CAN'T BE UNDER BECAUSE WE ARE TAMPA, BECAUSE WE DON'T
09:49:32AM WANT TO, YOU KNOW, ELECTION HERE.
09:49:33AM WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK -- NO, THE CITIZENS DIDN'T --
09:49:38AM DIDN'T COMPLAIN AND COME HERE AND SAY YOU GUYS SHOULDN'T GET
09:49:41AM A RAISE.
09:49:42AM THEY DIDN'T SAY ANY OF THAT.
09:49:43AM NONE OF THAT.
09:49:44AM DIDN'T HEAR ANY OF THAT THE WHOLE TIME THAT WAS GOING ON.
09:49:48AM NOT A MATTER -- WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, NOT A MATTER OF 42%.
09:49:53AM THE MATTER OF BRINGING IT UP TO THE SAME LEVEL AS EVERYONE
09:49:56AM -- THE OTHER CITIES.
09:49:57AM BUT, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN OPINION.
09:50:01AM THAT IS WHAT THIS COUNTRY IS MADE OF.
09:50:03AM INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE THEIR OWN OPINION.
09:50:05AM I JUST THINK THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO
09:50:10AM SERVE, YOU WANT THE BEST PEOPLE TRYING TO SERVE, BUT YOU
09:50:13AM DON'T WANT TO GO BROKE TRYING TO SERVE.
09:50:15AM YOU DOESN'T TO GO PROBING TRYING TO SERVE.
09:50:19AM I THINK -- IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE ECONOMY IS.
09:50:22AM THINGS HAVE RISEN.
09:50:23AM SO IF YOU ARE A COUNCILMAN WHO IS RENTING.
09:50:28AM WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GET THE EXTRA MONEY FROM?
09:50:32AM RENT IS GOING UP.
09:50:33AM SO, I MEAN, WE WANT TO BE FAIR TO EVERYBODY, BUT I THINK WE
09:50:37AM HAVE TO BE LOGICAL TO SAY, OKAY, WE WANT TO STAY EVEN WITH
09:50:40AM EVERYBODY ELSE SO WE ARE NOT LOSING, YOU KNOW, OUR
09:50:43AM LIVELIHOODS.
09:50:45AM THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:50:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:50:48AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOT TO EXPLORE ANYTHING ELSE BUT, AGAIN,
09:50:53AM I DON'T KNOW OF ANY COUNCILMEMBERS IN ANY CITY THAT MAKES
09:50:57AM $72,000.
09:50:58AM MAYBE THERE IS, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T CHECKED.
09:51:01AM BUT WHEN YOU SAY YOU COMPARE SOMETHING TO SOMETHING ELSE AND
09:51:04AM THE HIGHEST ONE THAT I SAW WAS $58,000.
09:51:07AM AND I FORGET WHAT IT WAS ST. PETE, ORLANDO OR MIAMI, ONE OF
09:51:11AM THE THREE.
09:51:11AM WHEN YOU DO THAT, THE $72,000, THAT $14,000 THAN THE HIGHEST
09:51:17AM ONE IS EVEN GETTING PAID.
09:51:18AM NOT ABOUT MONEY.
09:51:20AM IT IS ABOUT SERVICE.
09:51:21AM AND LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT ANOTHER THING.
09:51:23AM I HEARD OF BUYING TICKETS HERE AND THERE.
09:51:26AM WELL, GUESS WHAT, THAT IS ALSO WHAT THEY GIVE YOU EVERY
09:51:31AM MONTH.
09:51:31AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS IT, $250, $230, $260.
09:51:36AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS BECAUSE I HAVE NEVER TAKEN IT.
09:51:39AM EVERY FOUR YEARS, WHATEVER IT IN THAT MONEY, I TELL THE CITY
09:51:42AM TO DONATE IT TO ANYONE THEY WANT, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
09:51:46AM NOT IN MY NAME.
09:51:48AM I LEAVE IT RIGHT WHERE IT IS AT.
09:51:50AM SO NOT -- I'M NOT TRYING TO PAT MYSELF ON THE BACK.
09:51:53AM I DON'T DO THAT, BUT I AM JUST TELLING YOU THE FACT.
09:51:56AM I AM 28 YEARS OLD BACKWARDS.
09:51:59AM I WORK SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
09:52:00AM AND I'M HERE AS MUCH OR MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE.
09:52:03AM AND IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, I WILL PUT CAMERAS IN THE
09:52:08AM HALLWAY AND SHOW YOU WHAT IS HAPPENING.
09:52:09AM I AM NOT CASTING ASPIRATIONS.
09:52:11AM I AM NOT SAYING I COME TO WORK -- LET ME CLARIFY THAT.
09:52:15AM A SEVEN DAYS A WEEK JOB FOR SEVEN MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR.
09:52:20AM AGAIN I'M NOT BRAGGING ON MYSELF.
09:52:22AM I AM TELLING YOU THE FACTS.
09:52:24AM SOMEBODY STARTED THIS.
09:52:25AM AND I AM GOING TO TRY TO EVEN IF OUT HOW IT CAME ABOUT.
09:52:27AM AND I AM GOING TO WRITE THEM A LETTER.
09:52:30AM THAT'S ALL.
09:52:30AM THANK YOU.
09:52:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WILL CLOSE, BUT GO AHEAD.
09:52:35AM >>LUIS VIERA: I MEAN, I WAS JUST GOING TO -- AGAIN, I WANT
09:52:39AM TO BE VERY CLEAR.
09:52:40AM THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY, VERY, VERY NARROWLY TAILORED
09:52:46AM DOES NOT PRECLUDE A FUTURE CITY COUNCIL FROM HAVING A SALARY
09:52:49AM INCREASE OF ANY KIND.
09:52:52AM IT SAYS OUTSIDE OF INFLATION ADJUSTMENT, IF WE DO IN THE
09:52:55AM FUTURA I OUR SALARY IT WILL GO TO NO EVERY CITY COUNCIL
09:52:59AM BECAUSE WE SHOULDN'T DO THAT BEFORE OR TAKE THE BENEFIT.
09:53:03AM JUST LIKE THE 27th AMENDMENT SAYS FOR CONGRESS, ETC.
09:53:06AM THIS -- EVERYBODY WHO HAS SPOKEN HERE, I REALLY
09:53:11AM RESPECT EVERYBODY'S OPINIONS AND EXPERIENCES ON THIS.
09:53:14AM BUT A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED AND THIS IS
09:53:19AM SOMETHING THAT IS VERY NARROWLY TAILORED.
09:53:24AM I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION HOWEVER LONG YOU NEED FOR
09:53:29AM ORDINANCE FORM FOR OUR CONSIDERATION.
09:53:31AM THAT'S ALL.
09:53:33AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I MAY INQUIRE.
09:53:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: FLORIDA SHELBY.
09:53:37AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE MR. VASKE TALKED OF A RESOLUTION.
09:53:42AM YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AN ORDINANCE.
09:53:44AM >>LUIS VIERA: OH, OKAY.
09:53:45AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WANT TO BE CLEAR.
09:53:47AM SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN REFRESH MY RECOLLECTION
09:53:50AM BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID, THE RESOLUTION THAT COUNCIL DID IN
09:53:54AM 2005 --
09:53:56AM >> SETS THE SALARY AND HAS ANNUAL INCREASES.
09:53:59AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND AN ANNUAL INCREASES AND -- IT TURNS OUT
09:54:03AM THAT I WAS THE ONE THAT DRAFTED THE COUNCIL'S MOTION IN
09:54:06AM 2005.
09:54:07AM SO THAT REFRESHING MY RECOLLECTION.
09:54:11AM WHAT WITH AS THE DIFFERENCE IN TIME FROM THAT POINT FROM THE
09:54:13AM TIME THEY PASSED THAT RESOLUTION TO THE TIME OF THE
09:54:16AM ELECTION?
09:54:16AM >> TWO YEARS.
09:54:17AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: TWO YEARS.
09:54:18AM OKAY.
09:54:19AM JUST A REMINDER WITH REGARD TO A RESOLUTION, A RESOLUTION
09:54:22AM CAN BE -- IT CAN BE CHANGED HAVE HE EASILY BY ANOTHER
09:54:25AM RESOLUTION WITHDRAWING -- YOU KNOW REPEALING IT OR
09:54:30AM SUPERSEDING IT, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT.
09:54:33AM ONE THING.
09:54:34AM WITH REGARD TO THE ORDINANCE REARS TWO READINGS, PUBLIC
09:54:37AM HEARING AND NORMALLY DONE BY RESOLUTION.
09:54:40AM AND, AGAIN, A COUNCIL -- THE WAY IT WILL BE SET UP COULD
09:54:45AM CHANGE ITS MIND JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT.
09:54:48AM I SAID THIS BEFORE JUST WITH OTHER THINGS SO YOU ARE CLEAR.
09:54:51AM IT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE IF THE PARTICULAR COUNCIL, WHEN
09:54:55AM THIS RESOLUTION PASSES, IS COMMIT CANNING TO DOING THAT.
09:55:01AM THAT COUNCIL'S CHOSE TO.
09:55:02AM COUNCIL, WHEN THEY SET THAT, IT HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS SINCE
09:55:07AM 2005.
09:55:08AM >> YES.
09:55:10AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL'S PLEASURE WHETHER YOU WANT TO DO
09:55:14AM IT BY RESOLUTION.
09:55:15AM >>LUIS VIERA: SURE -- MAY I, SIR.
09:55:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:55:19AM >>LUIS VIERA: I DON'T WANT THIS TO DISTURB ANYTHING WITH
09:55:22AM RELATION TO INFLATION ADJUSTMENTS.
09:55:24AM I AM TALKING ABOUT NONINFLATION ADJUSTMENTS SALARY
09:55:27AM INCREASES.
09:55:28AM AGAIN, VERY, VERY NARROWLY TAILORED THAT'S IT.
09:55:33AM RESOLUTION ORDINANCE.
09:55:34AM STAY 12 HAIL MEARS AND EIGHT OUR FATHERS.
09:55:40AM WHATEVER IT IS WE NEED TO GET IT DONE.
09:55:42AM THAT'S IT.
09:55:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:55:44AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO SAY FOR ANYBODY WATCHING, THE PAY
09:55:49AM INCREASE THAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WAS DISCUSSING WAS NOT ONE
09:55:53AM PRESENTED BY CITY COUNCIL OR SUGGESTED BY CITY COUNCIL,
09:55:57AM PRESENTED BE THE CHIEF OF STAFF DURING THE BUDGET
09:55:59AM PRESENTATION.
09:55:59AM THE MAYOR WAS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE FOR THE ANNUAL BUDGET
09:56:04AM PRESENTATION SO THE CITY'S CHIEF OF STAFF PRESENTED IT
09:56:08AM APPEAR FOR THE ADMINISTRATION AND NOT CITY COUNCIL AND VOTED
09:56:12AM ON THE BUDGET WHICH ORIGINALLY INCLUDED THAT.
09:56:15AM THE -- SO THIS CITY COUNCIL ANYWAY DID NOT BRING UP OF THE
09:56:20AM IDEA.
09:56:20AM TO THE IDEA THAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA -- VIERA HAS ABOUT
09:56:26AM MAKING SURE THAT A CITY COUNCIL CAN'T RAISE THEIR OWN
09:56:29AM SALARIES.
09:56:30AM I -- I THINK IT SHOULD BE -- YOU MENTIONED 27th OR WHATEVER
09:56:35AM AMENDMENT.
09:56:35AM TELLING SHOULD BE A CHARTER AMENDMENT.
09:56:37AM AND I ALSO THINK THAT A CHARTER AMENDMENT SHOULD SET SOME
09:56:41AM KIND OF APPARATUS.
09:56:42AM I HAD PROPOSED IN THE DAY WHEN ALL MY PROPOSALS WERE
09:56:46AM REJECTED.
09:56:46AM ONE OF THEM WAS TO HAVE AN OUTSIDE THIRD PARTY COMMITTEE SET
09:56:53AM UP TO ANALYZE THE MAYOR'S SALARY AND THE CITY COUNCIL'S
09:56:57AM SALARY AND SET IT EVERY FIVE YEARS OR SO.
09:56:59AM STILL WOULD HAVE TO BE VOTED ON BY CITY COUNCIL, I THINK,
09:57:03AM BUT DEPEND ON HOW WE SET IT UP.
09:57:06AM BUT NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF THIRD PARTY OBJECTIVE APPARATUS
09:57:10AM SO NOT JUST ELECTED OFFICIALS INGRATIATING THEMSELVES.
09:57:15AM BUT TO THE NARROW PART OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS NOT RAISING
09:57:19AM THEIR OWN SALARIES AND ONLY RAISING IT FOR THE NEXT CITY
09:57:23AM COUNCIL.
09:57:23AM I THINK THAT SHOULD BE A CHARTER AMENDMENT.
09:57:25AM A RESOLUTION OR ORDINANCE ARE TOO EASE EASY TO CHANGE.
09:57:30AM THANK YOU.
09:57:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY.
09:57:32AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
09:57:33AM ONE LAST QUESTION.
09:57:34AM THAT ORDINANCE -- EXCUSE ME THAT RESOLUTION, AS I RECALL,
09:57:38AM WAS FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE SALARY ADJUSTMENT AND HAD AN IF
09:57:42AM HE CAN TESTIFY DATE OF PUTTING THAT -- THAT SALARY
09:57:44AM ADJUSTMENT INTO PLACE.
09:57:46AM >> RIGHT, ONCE AGAIN SET A SALARY THAT WAS DIFFERENT THAN
09:57:50AM PREVIOUSLY PUT IN PLACE THE SALARY INCREASES.
09:57:53AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SO I WANT TO KNOW, I GUESS, IF YOU GIVE
09:57:58AM DIRECTION TO COME BACK, INCLUDE THE SALARY INCREASE LIKE THE
09:58:01AM ONE IN 2005 WITH THE EFFECTIVE DATE UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION
09:58:05AM AS THIS ONE DID OR YOU WANT TO CREATE A POLICY BY RESOLUTION
09:58:08AM OR ORDINANCE THAT WILL REMAIN IN EFFECT?
09:58:11AM
09:58:12AM >>LUIS VIERA: I MERELY -- I DO NOT WANT TO DISTURB THE 2005
09:58:16AM RESOLUTION.
09:58:16AM I MERELY WANT TO SAY IF CITY COUNCIL RAISES ITS SALARY AGAIN
09:58:20AM BEYOND THAT 2005 RESOLUTION AUTHORITY THAT IT GOES EVERY
09:58:24AM SINGLE YEAR THAT IT GOES TO THE NEXT COUNCIL.
09:58:26AM THAT IS IT.
09:58:27AM ES TODO.
09:58:30AM THAT'S IT.
09:58:31AM BY THE WAY, WITH REGARD TO WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID, I
09:58:35AM AGREE.
09:58:36AM I WOULD HAVE LIKED FOR IT TO BE A CHARTER AMENDMENT;
09:58:41AM HOWEVER, I TOO CAN THE POSITION IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING VIA
09:58:43AM ORDINANCE AND RESOLUTION OPPOSED TO A CHARTER AMENDMENT WE
09:58:46AM SHOULD DO THAT.
09:58:47AM THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE.
09:58:48AM BUT I DO AGREE IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS STRUCTURAL THAT WOULD
09:58:52AM PROBABLY BE BETTER IN THE CHARTER; HOWEVER, WE CAN DEAL WITH
09:58:55AM THAT AT A LATER TIME.
09:58:56AM THOSE COMMENTS ARE WELL TAKEN.
09:58:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THEN IN CHAMBERS THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO
09:59:05AM THIS?
09:59:11AM >> GOOD MORNING.
09:59:12AM STEPHANIE POYNOR.
09:59:19AM MR. MIRANDA, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU ASKED SELF-TEAMS WHO
09:59:22AM STARTED IT.
09:59:23AM THAT WOULD BE ME.
09:59:23AM I SUBMITTED IT TO CHIEF BENNETT TWO YEARS AGO.
09:59:28AM I DON'T REMEMBER ALL THE NUMBERS, BUT WE PULLED THE NUMBERS
09:59:32AM FOR THE CLOSEST CITIES.
09:59:34AM WE PULLED THE NUMBERS FOR THE STAFF.
09:59:36AM I HAVE SEPTEMBER YOU GUYS THE E-MAIL AT LEAST TWO OR THREE
09:59:41AM TIMES ABOUT THIS.
09:59:41AM SO WHEN YOU WANT TO KNOW WHO STARTED THIS, THAT WOULD BE ME.
09:59:45AM I DID THE RESEARCH.
09:59:47AM I TOOK THE TOP FIVE STAFF MEMBERS FOR EVERY DEPARTMENT.
09:59:50AM I ADDED THEM ALL UP.
09:59:52AM I AVERAGED THEM ALL OUT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF LEGAL, BECAUSE
09:59:55AM THEY MAKE MORE MONEY.
09:59:56AM BUT THEN I CUT IT IN HALF.
09:59:59AM AND THAT IS WHERE THE $72,000 CAME FROM.
10:00:03AM HALF OF WHAT THE STAFF MEMBERS MAKE -- ADMINISTRATION -- THE
10:00:08AM ADMINISTRATORS MAKE.
10:00:09AM I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT.
10:00:11AM THE DISCUSSION IS, OKAY, WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE A 42% RAISE.
10:00:15AM WELL, WE GAVE THE CITY OF TAMPA EMPLOYEES AN 18% RAISE.
10:00:19AM THAT WOULD RAISE YOU TO $61,000 A YEAR.
10:00:21AM EVERY CONTRACT THAT I HAVE SEEN COME THROUGH WITH A RENEWAL
10:00:26AM WITH A -- WITH A COST OF LIVING INCREASE ON IT WAS 8.5%.
10:00:30AM THAT IS OUR INCREASE.
10:00:32AM WHY DID THOSE SEATS UP THERE HAVE TO TAKE A VOW OF POVERTY
10:00:38AM FOR THIS -- FOR THIS JOB?
10:00:43AM AND NOBODY IS STARVING TO DEATH.
10:00:45AM BUT WE HAVE ALL SEEN EVERYBODY'S FINANCIALS IN THE LAST
10:00:48AM THREE MONTHS BECAUSE THEY WERE PUBLICIZED.
10:00:51AM AND THERE IS NO REASON NOT TO.
10:00:53AM WE HAVE FOLKS WHO WOULD LIKE TO RUN FOR COUNCIL WHO ARE NOT
10:00:56AM WELL ESTABLISHED IN THEIR LIVES.
10:00:57AM AND I AM SORRY, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU LIVED IN YOUR HOUSE
10:01:02AM SINCE 1974.
10:01:03AM I WAS FOUR YEARS OLD.
10:01:05AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 1964.
10:01:07AM >> 1964.
10:01:08AM THE TAX RECORDS GO BACK TO 1974.
10:01:11AM LONG BEFORE I WAS BORN.
10:01:12AM I AM NO SPRING CHICKEN.
10:01:14AM NO, YOU DON'T NEED THE MONEY, BUT YOU ALSO DON'T HAVE TO
10:01:17AM TAKE THE MONEY.
10:01:18AM PERIOD.
10:01:18AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAS SAID HE WOULD NOT TAKE THE RAISE.
10:01:22AM YOU CAN VOTE ON THIS TODAY AND GIVE THE NEXT COUNCIL A
10:01:26AM RAISE.
10:01:26AM FOUR OF YOU ARE ALREADY ELECTED OR NOT.
10:01:29AM AND GO AHEAD AND DO THIS FOR THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL.
10:01:35AM SO THEY CAN MAKE A LIVING WAGE.
10:01:37AM SO THEY DON'T QUALIFY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IF THEY DON'T
10:01:40AM HAVE ANOTHER JOB.
10:01:41AM WE HAVE GOT A 25% INCREASE IN OUR POPULATION.
10:01:46AM THIS JOB GETS MORE AND MORE CUMBERSOME EVERY YEAR BECAUSE OF
10:01:50AM THAT.
10:01:50AM AND, YOU KNOW, REALITY IS, THAT IT IS JUST VERY FRUSTRATING
10:01:58AM BECAUSE I SEE SOME VERY, VERY GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS WHO
10:02:02AM WOULD LOVE TO RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL, AND THEY CAN'T, BECAUSE
10:02:05AM THEY WOULD LOSE THEIR INCOME WHICH MEANS THEY WOULDN'T BE
10:02:07AM ABLE TO PAY THEIR RENT OR THEIR HOUSE PAYMENT AND HAVE TO
10:02:11AM TAKE A CUT IN SALARY.
10:02:12AM THOSE THAT ARE STILL IN THE RACE FOR COUNCIL WHO WILL LOSE
10:02:17AM PART OF THEIR SALARY TO DO SO.
10:02:18AM VOTE FOR IT.
10:02:20AM [BUZZER SOUNDING]
10:02:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMEMBERS, I DECIDED AFTER 16 YEARS OF
10:02:42AM BEING ON VARIOUS BOARDS, COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS THAT I
10:02:47AM WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE A PROFESSION THAT WOULD AFFORD ME
10:02:52AM TIME TO DO THAT.
10:02:53AM TO RUN FOR OFFICE.
10:02:59AM BECAUSE I DID CARE ABOUT THIS CITY.
10:03:03AM NOW I SPENT 35 HOURS A WEEK HERE, SOMETIMES WHEN THERE ARE
10:03:10AM TUMBLE WEEDS BLOWING ACROSS THE THIRD FLOOR OF CITY HALL,
10:03:15AM BUT I ALSO SPEND 35 HOURS A WEEK AT MY OTHER JOB.
10:03:19AM I RAN FOR OFFICE BECAUSE I CARE ABOUT THIS CITY.
10:03:25AM NOT BECAUSE HOW MUCH MONEY I MADE.
10:03:31AM AND TAMPA WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY EASY FOR ME TO TAKE A 42%
10:03:36AM RAISE.
10:03:37AM THAT WOULD HAVE CURED ALL MY FINANCIAL PROBLEMS SO NASTY
10:03:41AM MAILERS ABOUT ME THAT WENT OUT FULL OF FALSEHOODS AND
10:03:51AM HALF-TRUTHS WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DONE.
10:03:52AM DOES THIS COUNCIL DESERVE A RAISE?
10:03:58AM MAYBE.
10:03:58AM TO IT THE POINT OF 42%?
10:04:02AM I DON'T KNOW.
10:04:02AM AGAIN, I PAID FOR EVERYTHING THAT WAS GIVEN TO ME.
10:04:09AM BECAUSE I WORK TWO JOBS.
10:04:12AM AND I THINK I KNOW OF ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE
10:04:19AM COUNCILMEMBERS THAT WORK TWO JOBS.
10:04:22AM BRIGHTEST AND THE BEST.
10:04:28AM I THINK WE HAVE THE BRIGHTEST AND THE BEST NOW, AND SOME
10:04:31AM PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE RUNNING FOR OFFICE ARE THE
10:04:33AM BRIGHTEST AND THE BEST, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE ANOTHER JOB.
10:04:38AM THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBERS.
10:04:45AM AGENDA ITEM --
10:04:48AM >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I MAKE THAT MOTION.
10:04:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, WHY HE.
10:04:52AM >>LUIS VIERA: HAVE THIS COME BACK TO US FOR OUR
10:04:54AM CONSIDERATION AND IF COUNCIL PASSES IT.
10:04:55AM HOW MUCH TIME, TWO MONTHS, THREE MONTHS?
10:04:57AM WHAT ARE Y'ALL -- THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.
10:05:05AM CHARTER AMENDMENT I DON'T WANT TO GO THERE.
10:05:09AM BUT A RESOLUTION.
10:05:10AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: LET ME SAY THIS AS SOMEBODY WHO DID THAT
10:05:13AM RESOLUTION IN 2005, IF COUNCIL WISHES TO DO IT THIS WAY, IT
10:05:18AM WORKED THEN.
10:05:18AM THAT WAS -- THAT WAS THE -- BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION BY
10:05:22AM STAFF.
10:05:23AM AND THE THING IS THAT CERTAINLY WHENEVER IT COMES BACK, THAT
10:05:29AM WILL HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE COUNCIL WHO IS GOING TO BE
10:05:32AM CONSIDERING IT AT THE TIME THE NEW TERM.
10:05:34AM SO IF COUNCIL WISHES, I AM ABLE TO DRAFT THAT RESOLUTION.
10:05:39AM CERTAINLY WE KNOW IT EXISTS.
10:05:41AM I DON'T KNOW IF MR. VASKE WANTS TO DO IT.
10:05:48AM >> JUSTIN VASKE, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
10:05:53AM REMEMBER, HE NEED A NUMBER.
10:05:54AM WHEN I SET THE SALARY, I NEED A NUMBER.
10:05:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MAY ASK US.
10:05:59AM THAT WILL GO INTO EFFECT MAY 5.
10:06:03AM >>LUIS VIERA: YEAH, BUT I AM NOT SETTING ANYONE'S SALARY
10:06:05AM WITH THIS.
10:06:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: BUT, AGAIN, IT IS GOING IN EFFECT AFTER THE
10:06:10AM ELECTIONS, SO COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND THE REST OF THE PEOPLE
10:06:13AM THAT ARE ELECTED, THEIR INCREASE WILL GO UP.
10:06:15AM SO IT WILL AFFECT THE NEXT COUNCIL.
10:06:20AM IF IT IS PASSED BEFOREHAND.
10:06:22AM >>LUIS VIERA: THERE IS CONFUSION HERE.
10:06:24AM I AM NOT TALKING OF INFLATION ADJUSTMENTS.
10:06:26AM I AM SAYING IF WE RAISE OUR SALARY ABOVE THAT, THEN IT GOES
10:06:29AM -- IF THIS BODY DOES SO, IT GOES TO THE NEXT COUNCIL.
10:06:33AM OKAY.
10:06:34AM THAT'S IT.
10:06:36AM THAT IS ALL THAT I AM ASKING IN THIS.
10:06:39AM I'M NOT ASKING FOR A 2005 RESOLUTION TO BE DISTURBED BUT IF
10:06:46AM WE GO BEYOND THAT, THE INFLATION ADJUSTMENT UP TO 3% LIKE
10:06:59AM THE 27th AMENDMENT, THAT'S IS.
10:07:01AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, YOU CAN DO
10:07:04AM THAT NOW AND BINDING --
10:07:06AM >>LUIS VIERA: LET'S HAVE IT FOR THE NEXT COUNCIL'S
10:07:08AM CONSIDERATION.
10:07:08AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NEXT COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION.
10:07:10AM WHAT THAT COUNCIL WILL DO WHEN IT IS UP FOR CONSIDERATION,
10:07:13AM ASSUMING IT PASSES, THEY WOULD HAVE VOLUNTARILY CONSIDERED
10:07:19AM THEY WILL NOT CONSIDER A RAISE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THEIR
10:07:22AM TERM WHAT IS SET FORTH FOR 3%.
10:07:25AM >>LUIS VIERA: THAT DOES NOT DISTURB THAT.
10:07:29AM I WANT TO BE VERY CARE.
10:07:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:07:32AM >>BILL CARLSON: WE WERE CRITICIZED BECAUSE THE CHARTER
10:07:34AM AMENDMENT DISCUSSION WAS SO LATE.
10:07:37AM A STAFF ISSUE AND IT GOT DELAYED ALTHOUGH WE WERE BLAMED FOR
10:07:41AM IT.
10:07:41AM NOW WE ARE TWO YEARS OUT FROM THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
10:07:44AM WE CAN VOTE NOW AND START THE PROCESS OF PUTTING -- CREATE
10:07:48AM CAN AN ORDINANCE OF A CHARTER AMENDMENT ON THE BALLOT IN --
10:07:54AM WHAT IS THAT, 2024, WHENEVER IT IS.
10:07:56AM WE ARE ONLY 18 MONTHS OUT.
10:07:58AM SO THERE IS NO -- WE GOT CRITICIZED FOR GOING LATE.
10:08:02AM IF WE STARTED EARLY, IT SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE.
10:08:04AM ALL IT WOULD SAY.
10:08:06AM WOULDN'T TALK OF ANY NUMBERS.
10:08:08AM ALL IT WOULD SAY IS ANY -- ANY INCREASE OF RAISE OTHER THAN
10:08:13AM COST OF LIVING COULD ONLY -- COULD ONLY BE APPROVED TO
10:08:16AM IMPACT THE NEXT COUNCIL, NOT WHATEVER COUNCIL IS SITTING.
10:08:20AM ALL IT WOULD SAY, RIGHT.
10:08:25AM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY.
10:08:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:08:27AM >>LUIS VIERA: I WOULD NOT OPPOSE THAT BUT I SUBJECT TO GET
10:08:32AM THE BALL ROLLING AND ANOTHER DISCUSSION.
10:08:34AM >> JUSTIN VASKE, ASSISTANT CITY COULD ATTORNEY.
10:08:39AM THE CLEANEST WEIGH TO DO THIS WOULD BE AN ORDINANCE.
10:08:42AM >>LUIS VIERA: THEN LET'S DO AN ORDINANCE.
10:08:44AM >> OKAY.
10:08:45AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: JUSTIN AND I ARE FRUSTRATED.
10:08:49AM I THINK WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
10:08:51AM THE RESOLUTION WOULD BE A METHOD TO INCREASE EVERYONE'S
10:08:55AM SALARY.
10:08:56AM IF WHAT COUNCILMAN VIERA IS ASKING FOR IS BASICALLY
10:09:03AM SOMETHING THAT GOVERNS THE CITY COUNCIL AND SAYS IF YOU PASS
10:09:06AM A RESOLUTION INCREASING THE SALARY, IT MUST GO INTO EFFECT
10:09:13AM IN THE NEXT TERM.
10:09:14AM OBVIOUSLY WE CAN SAY IT MORE ARTFULLY.
10:09:18AM THAT IS WHAT JUSTIN IS SAYING.
10:09:20AM IF THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT, DO IT BY ORDINANCE.
10:09:23AM BUT IF YOU WANT TO DO A SALARY INCREASE NOW THAT WILL GO
10:09:27AM INTO AFFECT LATER, YOU DO THAT BY RESOLUTION.
10:09:29AM YOU DON'T NEED AN ORDINANCE.
10:09:33AM YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION TO DO THAT, BUT IF YOU WANT TO
10:09:36AM CARVE IT IN STONE, YOU HAVE TO DO IT THAT WAY AND THEN DO
10:09:39AM THE ORDINANCE.
10:09:40AM >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I, SIR.
10:09:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:09:42AM >>LUIS VIERA: I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION THAT, YES,
10:09:45AM THAT IS WHAT I WANT.
10:09:46AM I WILL AMEND MY MOTION TO MAKE THAT AN ORDINANCE FOR THE
10:09:50AM FOLLOWING COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION.
10:09:51AM AND WE CAN HAVE IT IN -- WE ARE IN MARCH.
10:09:55AM WHEN EVERYBODY IS WELL SETTLED IN JULY.
10:10:00AM GIVE THEM FOUR MONTHS.
10:10:01AM THAT IS FINE.
10:10:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:10:05AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:10:08AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
10:10:08AM AGAINST?
10:10:11AM ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
10:10:13AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:10:19AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:10:22AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:10:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
10:10:24AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
10:10:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
10:10:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
10:10:30AM >>CLERK: MOTION PASSED WITH MANISCALCO, MIRANDA, AND CITRO
10:10:37AM VOTING NO.
10:10:37AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DO WE HAVE A DATE FOR THAT, PLEASE.
10:10:41AM CONSTITUTE PICK A DATE, MADAM CLERK.
10:10:43AM JULY?
10:10:44AM LET ME GET THE CALENDAR.
10:10:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SURE, COUNCILMAN VIERA, THIS IS YOUR MOTION.
10:10:49AM >>LUIS VIERA: THE LAST WEEK IN JULY.
10:10:50AM IF.
10:10:53AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WILL BE A WORKSHOP -- OLD ON A SECOND.
10:10:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 27, COUNCIL REGULAR SESSION.
10:11:00AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: 27, COUNCIL REGULAR SESSION.
10:11:02AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:11:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:11:05AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I HOPE THAT MR. CARLSON IN THE FUTURE WILL
10:11:08AM MAKE THE MOTION AS IT RELATES TO A STRUCTURE.
10:11:15AM THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY OF THE POLITICAL FALLOUT OF
10:11:18AM WHO IS AFRAID TO VOTE ON MONEY AND ISSUES.
10:11:21AM SO HOPEFULLY YOU WILL GET THE SUPPORT THE NEXT COUNCIL TO
10:11:26AM PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO PUT A MECHANISM IN PLACE IN THE
10:11:29AM CHARTER SO WE WON'T HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS GOING FORWARD IN
10:11:33AM THE FUTURE.
10:11:33AM THANK YOU.
10:11:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:11:39AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WONDER I, CONSIDERING ALL THE CONFUSION
10:11:42AM JUST NOW.
10:11:43AM NUMBER ONE, I WANT EVERYBODY WATCHING IN PUBLIC TO KNOW ALL
10:11:46AM WE VOTED ON WAS A PROPOSED ORDINANCE THAT WOULD LIMIT ANY
10:11:50AM EXISTING CITY COUNCIL FROM RAISING THEIR OWN SALARY.
10:11:53AM THAT IS WHAT WE VOTED ON.
10:11:55AM NUMBER TWO, WHEN IT COMES BACK, WOULD IT BE PRUDENT BECAUSE
10:11:58AM OF THE CONFUSION, WOULD IT BE PRUDENT TO ASK THE CLERK TO
10:12:02AM PUT A NOTE IN THAT SAYS SPECIFICALLY, THIS IS NOT A
10:12:06AM DISCUSSION OF RAISING SALARIES.
10:12:07AM IT IS ONLY A PROHIBITION AGAINST CURRENT COUNCIL FROM
10:12:12AM RAISING THEIR OWN SALARIES.
10:12:14AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF HE CAN.
10:12:18AM IF THAT -- IF THE MAKER OF THE MOTION -- THE WAY COUNCIL --
10:12:23AM I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU STATED IT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE -- OF
10:12:26AM THE CLERK, BUT IF YOU COULD PHRASE THE MOTION BECAUSE I
10:12:29AM THINK IT WAS FRAMED VERY WELL.
10:12:31AM >>LUIS VIERA: HE WILL BE GLAD TO DO THAT.
10:12:34AM AGAIN, TO RESTATE THE MOTION.
10:12:35AM I RESTATE THE MOTION WE IS TO COME BACK ON JULY 27, HE
10:12:39AM BELIEVE IT WAS, WITH A PROPOSED ORDINANCE FOR CONSIDERATION
10:12:41AM BY CITY COUNCIL THAT WILL PRECLUDE A CITY COUNCIL FROM
10:12:45AM RAISING THEIR OWN SALARY BEYOND THE ADJUSTMENT -- INFLATION
10:12:51AM ADJUSTMENT AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S SUGGESTIONS THAT WE PUT
10:12:55AM ON THE NOTICE FOR THE AGENDA FOR THE PUBLIC THAT THIS IS NOT
10:12:58AM ABOUT US RAISING OUR SALARY.
10:13:00AM >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND.
10:13:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:13:04AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:13:06AM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
10:13:08AM COUNCILMAN MERIDIAN.
10:13:08AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO DISCUSSION.
10:13:10AM JUST LOOKING AT IT, AND IT HAS BEEN SO CONVOLUTED NOW FOR
10:13:14AM THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THAT I AM LAUGHING AT MYSELF,
10:13:17AM BECAUSE ANY ORDINANCE AND ANY COUNCIL COMING AFTER US BY
10:13:21AM ORDINANCE CAN SUPERSEDE ANY ORDINANCE THAT WE WRITE.
10:13:24AM SO THE MOOT QUESTION IS MOOT BECAUSE THEY CAN DO WHATEVER
10:13:29AM THEY WANT.
10:13:29AM LET'S FACE REALITY AND BE REALISTIC OF THE THINGS.
10:13:33AM IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME FOR DIFFERENT REASONS FOR WHATEVER.
10:13:36AM IF YOU REALLY WANT TO DO SOMETHING, THEN YOU HAVE THAT
10:13:39AM COUNCIL PUT IT -- OR THIS COUNCIL PUT IT AT SOME ELECTION
10:13:44AM DATE OF FUTURE COUNCILS IN THE CHARTER.
10:13:46AM LET THEM VOTE FOR IT AND CODIFIED IN THE CHARTER.
10:13:50AM ONLY WAY YOU WILL SOLVE IT.
10:13:52AM DON'T GIVE IT TO NO MR. ELECTORATE BODY -- SORRY TO SAY THE
10:13:57AM WORD HELL I SHOULD HAVE SAID H-E DOUBLE HOCKEY STICKS.
10:14:05AM WE ARE NOT TRYING TO FOOL SOCIETY, BUT SO MANY THINGS ON
10:14:09AM TABLE GOING THIS WAY AND THIS WAY.
10:14:11AM IT IS A LITTLE CONFUSING TO SAY THE LEAST.
10:14:13AM SO THAT'S ALL I AM GIVING.
10:14:15AM IF YOU REALLY WANT TO DO SOMETHING, HAVE THE FUTURE COUNCIL
10:14:19AM PUT IT ON THE CHARTER FOR A VOTE.
10:14:20AM THE ABOUT PUBLIC STREETS ON IT.
10:14:22AM NOT THE SEVEN OR EIGHT ELECTED OFFICIALS OF THIS CITY AND
10:14:25AM ANY OTHER CITY THAT WILL BE HERE.
10:14:27AM THAT IS WHY EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT EVERYTHING IS CODIFIED BY
10:14:30AM THE ELECTRIC PEOPLE WHO ELECTED PEOPLE WHO GO VOTE IS.
10:14:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:14:37AM >>BILL CARLSON: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SAID IN THE DIFFERENT WAY
10:14:42AM THE SAME THING THAT I SAID IT SHOULD BE A CHARTER AMENDMENT,
10:14:47AM BECAUSE EVERY ORDINANCE -- ANY OTHER CITY COUNCIL CAN
10:14:50AM CHANGE.
10:14:50AM I DON'T KNOW THE FOLKS WHO VOTED NO WILL VOTE YES IF IT WAS
10:14:53AM A CHARTER AMENDMENT, IF WE HAD THE VOTES NO YOU, I WILL ASK
10:14:58AM THE COLLEAGUE TO RESTATE THE MOTION FOR A THIRD TIME.
10:15:00AM IF NOT, I WILL ASK HIM TO TALK TO LEGAL AND COME BACK IN
10:15:04AM JULY AND PROPOSE A CHARTER AMENDMENT INSTEAD.
10:15:07AM I THINK -- I THINK -- ALL THE -- DESPITE SPENDING $200,000
10:15:13AM AGAINST THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS, THREE OF THEM PASSED.
10:15:17AM THIS ONE WILL PROBABLY GET 90 TO 100% OF THE VOTE BUT MOST
10:15:23AM PEOPLE WILL BE IN FAVOR OF NOT HAVING THE CITY COUNCIL RAISE
10:15:27AM THEIR OWN SALARIES.
10:15:27AM THIS WOULD BE A NO LOSE.
10:15:29AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM NOT AN EXPERT IN POLITICS, BUT WHEN
10:15:32AM YOU LOOK AT THE WAY YOU PUT THESE ITEMS -- NOT US, THAT IS
10:15:35AM THE WAY IT IS STRUCTURED, WHY HE OR NO.
10:15:37AM PEOPLE DON'T LIKE VOTE ANYTHING TESTIFY.
10:15:40AM THEY HIKE TO VOTE IN A POSITIVE WAY.
10:15:42AM THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
10:15:43AM THAT IS MY TAKE ON IT.
10:15:46AM YOU PUT A SUBJECT YES FOR THIS AND.
10:15:49AM NO FOR THIS.
10:15:50AM YES, YOU WILL GET THE MAJORITY.
10:15:51AM THE SAME ONE AND YOU PUT IT UP HERE FOR YES AND SWITCH IT
10:15:55AM AROUND, IT WILL PASS.
10:15:56AM BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE TO VOTE POSITIVE.
10:15:59AM THEY DON'T LIKE TO VOTE ANYTHING TESTIFY.
10:16:01AM DON'T LIKE LISTENING TO NEGATIVE NEWS.
10:16:04AM ENOUGH NEGATIVE THINGS IN THIS WORLD THAT IS COSTING
10:16:07AM CIVILIZATION TO GO WHACKO, BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS NEGATIVE.
10:16:12AM YOU LOOK AT THE CHARTER AND THE YES AND NOs.
10:16:14AM I WOULD IMAGINE MA 95% OF A YES WILL PASS.
10:16:18AM NOT ONE OR TWO SUBJECT MATTERS AND A NO WILL FAIL.
10:16:23AM THAT IS MY TAKE ON IT.
10:16:25AM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY.
10:16:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:16:29AM >>LUIS VIERA: I AM GLAD, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, TO TALK THAT
10:16:33AM WITH CITY STAFF.
10:16:34AM I WANTED THIS TO BE AN ORDINANCE -- STRIKE THAT, IF CHARTER
10:16:42AM AMENDMENT.
10:16:42AM 110% SUPPORT TESTIFY OF THAT.
10:16:45AM AND I SAY WE GET WHAT WE CAN RIGHT NOW.
10:16:47AM WITH REGARD TO AN ORDINANCE, CITY COUNCIL CAN PASS
10:16:51AM ORDINANCE.
10:16:51AM WE PASS A TON OF ORDINANCES AND THEY CAN BE OVERRIDDEN AND A
10:16:55AM PROCESS.
10:16:56AM UP SAY THAT WE GET ON AN IDEA THAT HAS 90% APPROVAL IN THE
10:17:01AM CITY OF TAMPA IF NOT THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND THEN LOOK AT
10:17:04AM THE CHARTER AMENDMENT WHICH I WILL BE GLADLY TALKING TO
10:17:08AM LEGAL ABOUT THAT.
10:17:08AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCIL.
10:17:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL RIGHT.
10:17:12AM DO WE STILL HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR?
10:17:15AM YES, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:17:17AM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:17:18AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON AS THE AMENDED MOTION.
10:17:22AM DO A ROLL CALL VOTE ON IT PLEASE.
10:17:24AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: READ IT FOR THE ABOUT PUBLIC.
10:17:26AM IT IS CONFUSING IF I MAY ASK.
10:17:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, PLEASE.
10:17:30AM >>LUIS VIERA: MY MOTION WAS TO HAVE CITY OF TAMPA LEGAL COME
10:17:37AM BACK WITH A DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT WOULD PRECLUDE ANY FUTURE
10:17:41AM CITY COUNCIL FROM BEING ALLOWED TO RAISE THEIR OWN SALARY
10:17:45AM BEYOND WHAT THE 2005 REGULARS LAND USE OF THE 3% SAYS.
10:17:49AM AND -- AND ALSO, TO HAVE THE AGENDA -- THIS IS THE ONLY PART
10:17:53AM THAT IS AMENDED.
10:17:55AM TO HAVE THE AGENDA FOR THAT DATE JULY 27 REFLECT THIS IS NOT
10:18:00AM A CONSIDERATION OF A SALARY INCREASE BY CITY COUNCIL.
10:18:03AM THAT'S IT.
10:18:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGAIN, MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:18:07AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:18:10AM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
10:18:14AM ROLL CALL VOTE.
10:18:15AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WANT TO VOTE NO THIS TIME.
10:18:24AM I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A CHARTER AMENDMENT.
10:18:26AM I AM GOING TO VOTE NO THIS TIME.
10:18:28AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:18:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
10:18:30AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
10:18:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
10:18:33AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:18:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
10:18:36AM >>CLERK: MOTION FAILED WITH GUDES, MANISCALCO, MIRANDA AND
10:18:47AM CITRO VOTING NO.
10:18:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:18:49AM >>LUIS VIERA: MR. SHELBY, WE DID PASS THE -- THE MOTION
10:18:53AM WITHOUT THE CLARIFICATION, SO IS THAT 4-3 VOTE STILL IN
10:18:57AM EFFECT?
10:18:58AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YEAH.
10:18:59AM IT WAS A MOTION TO AMEND.
10:19:01AM AS LONG AS THE CLERK REFLECTS IT AS THAT THE SECOND MOTION
10:19:04AM WAS A MOTION TO AMEND THE PRIOR MOTION.
10:19:06AM THAT MOTION TO AMEND FAILS.
10:19:08AM ARE YOU CLEAR ON THE INITIAL MOTION, MADAM CLERK.
10:19:11AM THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES.
10:19:13AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:19:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE WE CLEAR AND FINISHED WITH AGENDA ITEM
10:19:21AM NUMBER 3?
10:19:22AM THANK YOU.
10:19:22AM AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4, FILE NUMBER CM 22-73825.
10:19:28AM IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO.
10:20:02AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:20:03AM >>BILL CARLSON: A DISCUSSION WE HAD MANY TIMES AND THE CAN
10:20:07AM KEEPS GETTING KICKED DOWN THE ROAD.
10:20:09AM THE ISSUE IS THAT WE HAVE HAD POLITICAL AND OTHER INTERESTS
10:20:16AM TARGETING CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH LITIGATION, SUBPOENAS,
10:20:24AM EXTENSIVE PUBLIC RECORD SEARCHES, AND IT'S -- THE COST OF IT
10:20:30AM IS A HUGE BURDEN ON CITY COUNCIL.
10:20:33AM THE PUBLIC FEELS THESE LAWSUITS OR THREATS OF THE LAWSUITS
10:20:37AM ARE INTIMIDATING CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND SWAY VOTES AND
10:20:41AM COULD LEAD TO LITIGATION AGAINST THE CITY IF SOMEONE FEELS
10:20:45AM THAT VOTES HAVE BEEN SWAYED BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN
10:20:50AM INTIMIDATED.
10:20:50AM THE FACT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS GET
10:20:55AM PAID $53,000 A YEAR.
10:20:57AM ONE WHO RESIGNED SPENT ALLEGEDLY $80,000 IN LEGAL FEES AND
10:21:02AM HAD THE LAWSUIT POTENTIALLY FACING BANKRUPTCY.
10:21:06AM THE PUBLIC AND SOME OF US ANYWAY FELT THAT THE.
10:21:11AM CITY ATTORNEYS IN THE PAST -- NOT IN CITY ATTORNEY, BUT CITY
10:21:16AM ATTORNEYS IN ABOUT THE PAST HAVE NOT FULLY DEFENDED CITY
10:21:22AM COUNCIL AND DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE CHARTER SAYS THAT THE
10:21:25AM CITY ATTORNEY SHOULD.
10:21:27AM IT HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED BY MANY ATTORNEYS OUTSIDE THAT WE
10:21:30AM PUT IN SOME STEPS TO MORE NARROWLY DEFINE WHAT THE -- WHAT
10:21:35AM THE PROTECTIONS ARE.
10:21:37AM AND THERE ARE SOME CREATIVE WHY $OF HOW TO ADDRESS THAT.
10:21:40AM WITH THE IDEA BEING THAT -- THAT -- I WILL GIVE YOU ONE
10:21:47AM EXAMPLE AND THEN IT SHUT UP.
10:21:49AM THE HEALTH CARE -- EXCUSE ME THE HEALTH CARE CONTRACT OF THE
10:21:52AM CITY IS HEALTH CARE INSURANCE OF THE CITY IS SELF-INSURED
10:21:56AM BUT RUN BY A PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANY.
10:21:58AM OF AND SO THE PAYMENTS THAT ARE MADE UNDER THE HEALTH
10:22:03AM INSURANCE POLICY ARE MADE AND A DECISION BY THE PRIVATE
10:22:07AM INSURANCE COMPANY, NOT BY A POLITICAL APPOINT HE.
10:22:11AM NO POLITICS IN THE PROCESS AT LEAST IN THEORY.
10:22:14AM THE ANALOGY I USED BEFORE.
10:22:16AM IF SOMEONE NEEDED A LUNG TRANSPLANT, WHICH IS VERY
10:22:20AM EXPENSIVE, THE PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANY, USING THE POLICY
10:22:24AM OF THE INSURANCE WOULD DECIDE WHETHER SOMEONE GETS A LUNG
10:22:28AM TRANSPLANT AND HOW MUCH WOULD GO IN.
10:22:30AM AT THE CITY, IN THEORY, BY CHARTER AND BY RULES, WE HAVE
10:22:35AM CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS OR ELECTED OFFICIALS HAVE -- AND
10:22:39AM DEPARTMENT HEADS AND VOLUNTEER CHAIRS HAVE DEFENSE BY THE
10:22:44AM CITY ATTORNEY, BUT -- AND THERE IS A RISK POLICY, BUT IN
10:22:47AM LONG DISCUSSIONS, WE FOUND THERE IS A $500,000 DEDUCTIBLE.
10:22:52AM EVERYTHING ABOVE $500,000 IS COVERED IN A POLICY THAT IS
10:22:56AM SPECIFICALLY WRITTEN WITH SPECIFIC COVERAGES.
10:22:58AM BUT BELOW THE $500,000, IT IS SELF-INSURED.
10:23:01AM WHAT WE DISCOVERED THROUGH INTERFERING PRIOR CITY ATTORNEYS
10:23:05AM THAT THERE IS NO SPECIFICS TO IT.
10:23:08AM AN ASH TARRY DISCUSSION BASED ON HOW THAT POLITICAL
10:23:12AM APPOINTEE INTERPRETATION THE LAW.
10:23:15AM WHAT I WOULD WANT AND OTHERS IS MORE CERTAINTY BECAUSE IF
10:23:19AM THERE IS CERTAINTY ABOUT HOW AND WHEN A CITY COUNCILMEMBER
10:23:25AM OR PERSON WOULD BE COVERED THAT WILL BE A DETERRENT TO
10:23:30AM FRIVOLOUS LAWSUITS AND HELP THE PUBLIC FEEL SAFE THAT THEIR
10:23:33AM ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE PROTECTED.
10:23:36AM ULTIMATELY IF AN ELECTED OFFICIAL GOES SOMETHING WRONG, THAT
10:23:40AM GOES IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY.
10:23:43AM IF SOMEONE USED -- SOMEONE USED A LITIGATION OR THREAT OF
10:23:47AM LITIGATION TO INTIMIDATE A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER OR OTHERWISE
10:23:51AM HARM THEM, THAT COULD CAUSE CONCERN IN THE COMMUNITY.
10:23:54AM I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MR. SHELBY.
10:23:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY.
10:24:02AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:24:03AM MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
10:24:06AM WHAT I HAVE DONE IS TAKEN CITY COUNCIL'S DISCUSSION OVER
10:24:09AM THIS PERIOD OF TIME, AND ATTEMPTED TO CRAFT A WAY TO ADDRESS
10:24:15AM THE CONCERN.
10:24:16AM AS I SAID TO YOU PREVIOUSLY, MOST CITIES AND GOVERNMENTAL
10:24:23AM ENTITIES WILL HAVE A REIMBURSEMENT MODEL.
10:24:26AM IN OTHER WORDS, A POLICY IN PLACE THAT SAYS AT THE END OF
10:24:31AM THE DAY WHEN DETERMINATION HAS TO BE MADE THAT IS BROUGHT TO
10:24:35AM THE BODY AND THE BODY CONSIDERS IT FOR REIMBURSEMENT.
10:24:39AM AGAIN, THE POLICY I INCLUDED IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE I
10:24:41AM PROVIDED TO YOU AND, AGAIN, I WANT TO STATE THAT WHAT THIS
10:24:46AM IS, IS THIS IS A PROPOSAL TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS WHAT I THINK
10:24:49AM ARE THE CONCERNS.
10:24:51AM I WANT TO AT THE OUTSET STATE WHAT HAD THE POLICY IS AND IT
10:24:55AM IS SORT OF A -- BE A CONCISE STATEMENT OF THE CONCERN I HAD
10:24:59AM EXPRESSED BY COUNCIL.
10:25:00AM JUST SO THE PUBLIC IS AWARE OF IT.
10:25:03AM THAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS ORDINANCE WHICH IS IN THE RECITAL
10:25:07AM AND ALSO IN THE BODY OF IT, THAT THERE EXISTS A MUNICIPAL
10:25:12AM PURPOSE TO EXTEND FUNDS FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO PERFORM
10:25:16AM THEIR DUTY SERVING A PUBLIC PURPOSE WITHOUT PERSONAL
10:25:20AM FINANCIAL THREAT OF LEGAL ACTION THAT MAY HAVE A CHILLING
10:25:25AM EFFECT ON THE PROPER PERFORMANCE OF THEIR DUTIES AND THE
10:25:28AM DILIGENT REPRESENTATION OF THE PUBLIC INTEREST.
10:25:30AM OR OTHERWISE, DISSUADE CAPABLE AND QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS
10:25:36AM FROM ENTERING PUBLIC SERVICE.
10:25:38AM THAT WAS THE MESSAGE HE BELIEVE THAT COUNCIL HAD GIVEN WHY
10:25:41AM THEY WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A PROCESS, BECAUSE, IN
10:25:45AM EFFECT, THE PROCESS, AS IT STANDS NOW, APPEARS TO IT BE A
10:25:51AM CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.
10:25:54AM AN AD HOC PROCESS.
10:25:57AM AND LOOKED AT OTHER JURISDICTIONS TO SEE HOW THEY SET OUT
10:26:02AM THE GUIDELINES SO THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOVERNED BY THIS
10:26:09AM ORDINANCE OR MOTION.
10:26:10AM SPECIFICALLY COUNCIL ASKED THAT IT APPLIED TO ELECTED FI.
10:26:14AM AND NOT AN ORDINANCE THAT DOESN'T APPLY -- DOESN'T APPLY TO
10:26:17AM OFFICERS OR EMPLOYEES, ALTHOUGH IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND
10:26:24AM INDEMNIFICATION AND ORDINANCE OR POLICY WILL GENERALLY
10:26:27AM APPLY.
10:26:27AM WITH BEING THE CASE, THIS ARGUMENT IS SOMEWHAT UNIQUE IN
10:26:32AM THAT RECORD.
10:26:33AM WHAT I HAVE DONE IS PROVIDED A MEANS TO ALLOW AS IT SAYS IN
10:26:39AM THE TITLE OF THE ORDINANCE, TO ALLOW FOR REPRESENTATION AND
10:26:43AM REIMBURSEMENT, PAYMENT OF ASSOCIATED COSTS OF ELECTED
10:26:47AM OFFICIALS OF CIVIL CLAIMS, ACTIONS AND ETHICS COMPLAINTS IN
10:26:52AM CONNECTION WITH THE PERFORMANCE OF THEIR OFFICIAL DUTIES
10:26:54AM WHILE SERVING A PUBLIC PURPOSE AND AUTHORIZES A RISK FUND
10:27:00AM ESPECIALLY OR -- AND/OR INSURANCE FOR SUCH PURPOSE.
10:27:05AM AGAIN FOR THE ABOUT PUBLIC SO THEY KNOW AS COUNCILMAN
10:27:09AM CARLSON STATED, AUTHORIZES THE RECOVERY OF DISBURSED CITY
10:27:13AM FUND IN THE EVENT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL IS DETERMINED TO BE
10:27:16AM PERSONALLY RELIABLE.
10:27:18AM THAT IS THE INTENT TO CREATE A PROCESS SO IT IS AT LEAST
10:27:20AM DELINEATED AND CLEAR.
10:27:22AM IT IS REALLY AN AMALGAM OF MANY JURISDICTIONS ACROSS THE
10:27:28AM STATE, BUT VERY FEW OF THE JURISDICTIONS HAVE A PROCESS THAT
10:27:32AM ALLOWS THE CITY ATTORNEY TO ACTUALLY OR THE -- OR TWO FOLD.
10:27:38AM NUMBER ONE, THE CITY ATTORNEY MAKES THE DETERMINE NATION --
10:27:41AM THE INITIAL DETERMINATION THAT COULD -- THAT THAT THE CITY
10:27:46AM ATTORNEY'S OFFICE COMPANY OF REPRESENT OR IN THE CASE OF A
10:27:48AM CONFLICT, THE CITY ATTORNEY COULD ASSIGN THAT AND DESIGNATE
10:27:53AM A CONFLICT COUNCIL.
10:27:55AM OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE THAN WHAT HAPPENED IS THE -- THE
10:27:59AM ELECTED OFFICIAL WHO IS MEETING THAT REPRESENTATION CAN
10:28:04AM ENGAGE A PRIVATE ATTORNEY AND THE CITY WITHIN -- PAY THOSE
10:28:09AM REASONABLE EXPENSES AND COSTS.
10:28:12AM THAT IS BASICALLY THE MODEL PRESENTED FOR WHY YOU ARE
10:28:15AM CONSIDERATION.
10:28:15AM I PRESENTED IT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY WHO HAVE JUST --
10:28:20AM FRANKLY, JUST RECEIVED -- JUST RECEIVED IT.
10:28:23AM AND I -- WE DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS ANY
10:28:27AM CONCERNS THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY MAY HAVE.
10:28:30AM AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER -- WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT IT
10:28:33AM PRIVATELY AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
10:28:35AM I PRESENTED TO COUNCIL.
10:28:36AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT COUNCIL'S DIRECTION IS AT THIS POINT, BUT
10:28:41AM MISS ZELMAN, DO YOU -- DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
10:28:45AM I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
10:28:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:28:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. SHELBY.
10:28:51AM LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE.
10:28:52AM LOOKING AT SALARIES AND PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SERVE WON'T BE
10:28:56AM ABLE TO SERVE.
10:28:57AM WHATEVER.
10:28:58AM THAT IS A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION.
10:28:59AM IF WE DON'T HAVE PROTECTIONS IN PLACE, NO ONE WILL WANT TO
10:29:03AM SERVE THE RISK YOU VOTE THE WRONG WAY OR DO THE WRONG THEY
10:29:06AM THINK IN YOUR OFFICIAL CAPACITY, OFFICIAL DUTIES.
10:29:09AM WHO WANTS THIS, BESIDES THE -- THE STRESS THAT COMES WITH
10:29:13AM IT, WHATEVER FEV BUT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE LAST YEAR
10:29:18AM CONSEQUENCES OF WHAT HAD HAPPENED.
10:29:21AM COSTS THAT PEOPLE HAVE INCURRED.
10:29:23AM YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ALREADY DISCUSSED.
10:29:27AM I WOULD BE GLAD TO SUPPORT THIS.
10:29:28AM HE THINKS IT IS CLEAR.
10:29:29AM I THINK, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SPECIFICALLY, IT SPECIFIES IN THE
10:29:34AM PERFORMANCE OF THEIR OFFICIAL DUTIES.
10:29:36AM YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT IS A VOTE HERE ON THE DAIS.
10:29:39AM WHETHER IT IS -- YOU KNOW, COMING FROM A CITY E-MAIL,
10:29:44AM WHATEVER IT IS.
10:29:45AM THE OFFICIAL CAPACITY AS THAT ELECTED OFFICIALS.
10:29:48AM SO UNLESS THERE ARE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR CONCERNS, I
10:29:53AM THINK IT IS VERY CLEAR AND WELL WRITTEN.
10:29:55AM I UNDERSTAND IT IS ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS, BUT HERE IT SAYS
10:30:01AM THE CITY HAS TO DEFEND AND SHOULD STEP IN TO DEFEND AN
10:30:04AM ELECTED OFFICIAL -- NOT AN OFFICER -- BUT
10:30:09AM SPECIFICALLY TAILORED TO US OR THE ELECTED BODY THAT'S IT.
10:30:15AM I SEE HERE -- THIS WHEREAS, THE PURPOSE OF THIS COMMON LAW
10:30:18AM RULE TO AVOID THE CHILLING EFFECT THAT A DENIAL OF
10:30:23AM REPRESENTATION MAY HAVE FOR PUBLIC OFFICIALS TO PERFORM
10:30:26AM THEIR DUTIES PRO AREALLY AND DILIGENTLY.
10:30:29AM SCARED TO VOTE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER KNOWING THEY WOULD NOT
10:30:31AM BE COVERED SHOULD THERE BE ANY LITIGATION FOR LAWSUITS.
10:30:35AM SO I AM HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS.
10:30:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
10:30:41AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:30:42AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I YIELD TO MR. CARLSON.
10:30:44AM >>BILL CARLSON: THE -- I THINK IT IS WELL-WRITTEN AND
10:30:52AM WELL-RESEARCHED.
10:30:53AM IT IS -- I THINK MOSTLY A RESTATEMENT OF WHAT WE HEARD FROM
10:30:59AM CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WITH -- WITH RESPECT TO THE STATE LAW
10:31:04AM AND WHAT CAN AND CAN NOT BE APPROVED.
10:31:05AM MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH IT IS THAT THERE IS STILL TOO MUCH
10:31:10AM SUBJECTIVITY IN IT.
10:31:13AM AND IT GIVES -- IT GIVES TOO MUCH FLEXIBILITY FOR A CITY
10:31:25AM ATTORNEY TO REJECT CITY COUNCIL -- A CITY COUNCILMEMBERS'S
10:31:32AM REQUEST.
10:31:32AM WE HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THIS CITY ATTORNEY, YOU
10:31:35AM NEVER KNOW WHAT SOMEBODY WILL HAVE IN THE FUTURE AND CITY
10:31:38AM COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE PROTECTED.
10:31:39AM THE SECOND THING IS THAT, THERE HAS TO BE SOME OTHER KIND OF
10:31:43AM POLICY THAT COVERS UP TO SOME BASIC LIMITS.
10:31:46AM I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE.
10:31:47AM FOR EXAMPLE -- AND -- AND MR. SHELBY AND I TALKED ABOUT
10:31:53AM THIS.
10:31:54AM WE CAN HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS, BUT, FOR
10:31:57AM EXAMPLE, IF THE CITY PUT IN $400,000 INTO A SELF-INSURED
10:32:02AM FUND.
10:32:03AM AND IF WE NEEDED TO, WE COULD EACH PAY -- THE EIGHT OF US
10:32:07AM CAN PAY $1 A MONTH OR WHATEVER PREMIUM SO NOT THE CITY
10:32:10AM PAYING.
10:32:12AM THERE ARE CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS OF HOW THE CITY CAN REIMBURSE
10:32:15AM BECAUSE OF STATE LAW, BUT AN INSURANCE POM POLICY THAT THE
10:32:19AM CITY ITSELF -- I AM MAKING THIS UP AS AN IDEA.
10:32:23AM THEN WHAT IT WOULD DO IS -- I THINK THAT POLICY WOULD HAVE
10:32:27AM VERY BROAD DEFINITIONS ABOUT HOW CITY COUNCIL -- SORRY,
10:32:31AM ELECTED OFFICIALS WILL BE COVERED UP TO THE FIRST $50,000.
10:32:35AM A HUGE DETERRENT FOR FRIVOLOUS LAWSUITS.
10:32:39AM WOULDN'T BE AS RESTRICTED AND SUBJECTIVE AS THE REST OF IT.
10:32:43AM WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEPARATELY IS MAYBE MAKE A FOLLOW-UP
10:32:48AM MOTION TO HAVE -- IF THIS IS PASSED, HAVE A FOLLOW-UP MOTION
10:32:51AM TO COME BACK AT ANOTHER TIME WITH THAT PROPOSAL.
10:32:53AM ALSO THE CHIEF OF STAFF TALKED TO SOME FOLKS.
10:32:57AM AND IN SOME CITIES, THE -- AS PART OF THE BENEFITS TO
10:33:00AM ELECTED OFFICIALS, THE GOVERNMENT AGENCY PAYS PART OR ALL OF
10:33:07AM THE PREMIUM FOR AN UMBRELLA LIABILITY POLICY FOR THE
10:33:11AM INDIVIDUAL JUST LIKE YOU WOULD PAY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE OR
10:33:13AM ANY OTHER KINDS OF SERVICE.
10:33:14AM SO I THINK WITH A COMBINATION OF THOSE THREE THINGS, WE WILL
10:33:18AM BE SECURED ENOUGH.
10:33:18AM AND, AGAIN, IF SOMEONE DOES SOMETHING WRONG, THEN.
10:33:23AM IT BREAKS THE LAW, NO AMOUNT OF INSURANCE WILL PROTECT THAT.
10:33:28AM THIS IS NOT ABOUT PROTECTING ANYBODY WHO HAS BROKEN THE LAW.
10:33:32AM WHAT IT DOES DO, PREVENT FRIVOLOUS OR INTIMIDATING LAWSUITS.
10:33:36AM AND ALLOWS ELECTED OFFICIALS TO PROTECT THEMSELVES IN THE
10:33:40AM FACE OF THAT.
10:33:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
10:33:46AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:33:47AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: JUST FOR MY PART.
10:33:49AM I AM NOT DISAGREEING OR AGREEING WITH THIS.
10:33:53AM I HAVEN'T IF YOU WILLY UNDERSTOOD OR READ IT YET.
10:33:57AM IN MY ABOUT POSITION, I DON'T -- IF I -- IF I -- THE CITY
10:34:02AM COUNCIL -- THE CITY OF TAMPA ATTORNEY, WHOEVER HE OR SHE MAY
10:34:07AM BE IS THE ONE THAT IS REPRESENTING ALL OF US IN CASES THERE
10:34:11AM A LAWSUIT, AM I CORRECT?
10:34:15AM I DON'T --
10:34:16AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: BY THE CHARTER?
10:34:17AM YES, YES.
10:34:18AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE ASKING FOR A -- A
10:34:22AM HYBRID OR JUST SOMEBODY OUTSIDE TO HANDLE THAT LAWSUIT.
10:34:27AM A HYBRID IF A MEMBER LIKE MYSELF WANTS THE CITY ATTORNEY
10:34:31AM WHOEVER HE OR SHE TO REPRESENT ME, IS THAT STILL IN HERE I
10:34:35AM HAVE THAT TO DO THAT?
10:34:36AM OR DO I HAVE TO GO TO THE OUTSIDE COUNCIL ATTORNEY?
10:34:42AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: PARDON?
10:34:43AM IT DOES BOTH.
10:34:44AM WELL, AND THAT -- THAT IS WHAT MAKES THIS -- NOT THE
10:34:52AM REIMBURSEMENT MODEL.
10:34:53AM THE ANSWER IS, YES, THAT WILL BE DONE.
10:34:55AM THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS PROVIDED FOR.
10:34:57AM IT IS STILL ULTIMATELY -- ULTIMATELY IN ALL THE THINGS THAT
10:35:05AM I HOOKED AT THROUGHOUT THE STATE, SOMEBODY HAS TO BE
10:35:09AM RESPONSIBLE FOR SIGNING OFF ON SPENDING CITY FUNDS.
10:35:12AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAVE TALKED ABOUT A SELF-INSURED FUND OF
10:35:16AM $400,000, BUT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE, I GUESS, FILED
10:35:21AM INITIALLY.
10:35:21AM A DOLLAR A MONTH CAME TO MIND.
10:35:23AM WHEN YOU SAID THAT, I WONDER HOW THAT WOULD BE.
10:35:26AM I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK JUST BRIEFLY TO THE CHIEF OF
10:35:29AM STAFF ABOUT INSURANCE AND THE ADMINISTRATION WILL BE WILLING
10:35:38AM TOLL WORK AND TALK WITH THE PEOPLE WHO DEAL WITH THEIR
10:35:41AM INSURANCE TO BE ABLE TO FIND OUT DIFFERENT MODELS TO DO
10:35:48AM THAT.
10:35:48AM CERTAINLY, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED WAY BACK AND
10:35:53AM WHEN THE RISK MANAGER WAS HERE, AND TAMPA REALLY WASN'T ABLE
10:35:57AM TO BE ADDRESSED AT THIS TIME OR WASN'T ADDRESSED COUNCIL,
10:36:04AM WHAT I WOULD LIKE AND I AM AWARE OF THE FACT THAT MISS
10:36:07AM ZELMAN HAS CONCERNS THAT SHE AND I HAVE NOT DISCUSSED.
10:36:11AM I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG -- HOW SOON YOU WOULD LIKE FOR THIS TO
10:36:14AM COME TO PACK, BUT I WOULD LIKE THAT THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BE
10:36:16AM ABLE TO AT LEAST GET THE BEN GET OF KNOWING WHAT SHE KNOWS
10:36:20AM AND WHAT SHE IS CONCERN ABOUT AND WHAT SHE HAS AND WHAT
10:36:23AM COMMENTS SHE HAS.
10:36:24AM I APOLOGIZE AGAIN.
10:36:26AM WE DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT ON SUCH SHORT
10:36:29AM NOTICE.
10:36:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
10:36:34AM MR. SHELBY, JUST FOR THE PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, PERFORMANCE OF
10:36:39AM THEIR DUTIES, AS FAR AS COUNCIL PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED?
10:36:43AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IN THE PERFORMANCE OF THEIR DUTY WITHIN THE
10:36:45AM SCOPE OF WHAT THEY ARE SET TO DO.
10:36:49AM IN OTHER WORDS, IT IS IN THE -- HOW DO I PHRASE IT -- WHAT
10:36:52AM IS THE BEST WAY TO PUT IT.
10:36:54AM THE DEFINITION OF -- IT IS A LEGAL DEFINITION FOR THE
10:36:58AM PERFORMANCE OF THEIR DUTIES, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS
10:37:02AM DONE -- I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME.
10:37:04AM UP WISH I HAD THE LANGUAGE.
10:37:06AM I DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC LEGAL DEFINITION IN FRONT OF ME.
10:37:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: BEFORE I GO TO YOU COUNCILMAN VIERA, I AM
10:37:23AM NOT TRYING TO SPLIT HAIRS, BUT CAN YOU GIVE ME AN INCIDENT
10:37:27AM OF SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF THE PERFORMANCE OF THEIR DUTIES THAT
10:37:34AM MAY NOT BE COVERED.
10:37:35AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I HAVE GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE THAT WAS JUST
10:37:38AM SAID TO ME THIS MORNING IN THE CONTEXT OF LET'S SAY SOMEBODY
10:37:41AM WHO IS ABLE TO TAKE THEIR VEHICLE TO AND FROM WORK AND TAKE
10:37:44AM IT HOME AND DRIVING HOME, WHAT THEY DO IS THEY PERHAPS HAVE
10:37:56AM SOMETHING TO DRINK AND CAUSES AN ACTION AGAINST THE DRIVER,
10:38:04AM PERHAPS THE OWNER OF THE VEHICLE.
10:38:05AM AND WHAT HAPPENS, THAT IS FOUND TO BE OUTSIDE THE
10:38:08AM PERFORMANCE OF THEIR DUTIES NOT WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THEIR
10:38:11AM EMPLOYMENT, AND THAT WILL THEN MAKE THAT SOMETHING THAT
10:38:14AM WOULD NOT THEN BE COVERED.
10:38:15AM FEBRUARY REALLY SPEAKING.
10:38:18AM IN DETERMINATION -- A DETERMINATION OF THAT HAS TO BE MADE
10:38:22AM AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
10:38:23AM THE QUESTION IS -- AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF
10:38:28AM CITY COUNCIL.
10:38:29AM THE QUESTION IS, AT WHAT POINT IS THAT DETERMINE NATION
10:38:33AM MADE.
10:38:34AM IF THAT DETERMINATION IS MADE PREMATURELY, DOES THAT THEN
10:38:38AM PERHAPS SIGNAL OR INDICATE THAT THE CITY WILL NOT COVER IN
10:38:44AM THE EVENT OF A LAWSUIT.
10:38:46AM AND THIS IS THE CONCERN OF COUNCIL IN THE PAST.
10:38:48AM IT HAS BEEN DIFFICULT FOR ME, COUNCIL TO IT BE ABLE TO
10:38:52AM ADDRESS ALL THE CONCERNS BECAUSE I WILL SHARE WITH YOU FROM
10:38:55AM A -- FROM A PROFESSIONAL AND PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE, AND
10:39:02AM SITTING IN THAT CHAIR FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS, I HAVE SEEN THE
10:39:07AM EFFECT THAT THIS HAS HAD ON CITY COUNCIL.
10:39:12AM AND THE COUNCIL'S CONCERNS TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS IT.
10:39:16AM AGED I AM HOOKING FOR A WAY WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK COUNTY WAY
10:39:20AM THE CITY IS STRUCTURED AND WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY TO BE ABLE
10:39:23AM TO RESOLVE THIS IN A WAY THAT PROVIDES THE PROTECTION THAT
10:39:26AM THE COUNCIL WANTS.
10:39:28AM THAT HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE.
10:39:29AM BUT WHAT I HAVE DONE IS CRAFTED A MODEL TO BE ABLE TO
10:39:35AM ADDRESS THE CONCERNS AS THEY HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED TO ME.
10:39:38AM THAT IS WHAT IS HERE.
10:39:39AM I ASK FOR COUNCIL TO GIVE ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH
10:39:43AM MISS ZELMAN TO ADDRESS THAT.
10:39:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COME BACK JUNE 1?
10:39:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I AM GOING TO FINISH -- IF I CAN SAFELY SAY,
10:39:51AM ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF SUNSHINE WOULD NOT BE COVERED BY THIS.
10:39:55AM IF.
10:40:00AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: A VIOLATION OF THE SUNSHINE LAW.
10:40:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, SIR.
10:40:03AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: A VIOLATION OF A SUNSHINE LAW.
10:40:05AM A ALLEGATION OF A VIOLATION OF THE SUNSHINE LAW FACTS WILL
10:40:10AM HAVE TO BE DETERMINED.
10:40:11AM THE QUESTION IS, AT WHAT POINT IN TIME ARE ACTIONS -- AN
10:40:15AM INTERESTING CONCEPT TO PUT THAT IN THIS FRAMEWORK.
10:40:18AM I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY DO THAT.
10:40:20AM TALK TO MISS ZELMAN ABOUT THAT.
10:40:23AM I FRANKLY THINK THAT IF SOMEONE VIOLATES THE LAW IN THE
10:40:27AM EVENT OF A SUNSHINE VIOLATION, IT IS POTENTIALLY A CRIME.
10:40:31AM AND NO, THAT WOULD NOT BE COVERED.
10:40:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:40:35AM ANYONE IN COUNCIL CHEAP PERCENT LIKE TO SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEM
10:40:40AM NUMBER 4?
10:40:48AM >> I LOVE WORKSHOP DAYS.
10:40:50AM GOOD MORNING, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
10:40:53AM THE PRESIDENT OF T.H.A.N.
10:40:55AM PRESIDENT OF GANDY CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
10:40:56AM I AM THE PRESIDENT OF SOUTH TOWN PARK -- ACTUALLY I AM NOT,
10:41:00AM BUT I AM STILL ON THE BOARD.
10:41:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS POYNOR, ARE YOU SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF
10:41:07AM T.H.A.N.
10:41:07AM >> NO, I AM SPEAKING AS A BOARD MEMBER ON THREE MUCH SMALLER
10:41:12AM BOARDS.
10:41:13AM ALL THREE OF THOSE BOARD HAVE -- HAVE DIRECTORS' INSURANCE.
10:41:20AM ALL THREE OF THEM DO.
10:41:21AM WHY?
10:41:22AM BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE.
10:41:25AM BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO VOLUNTEER OR MAKE A PITTANCE TO DO A JOB
10:41:34AM SHOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY OF LEGAL LIABILITY.
10:41:37AM THAT IS WHAT INSURANCE IS FOR.
10:41:38AM AS IT A WE WILL FOR, HE AN UMBRELLA POLICY THAT COVERS MY
10:41:43AM BUSINESS.
10:41:43AM WHY WOULD ANYBODY THINK IT IS OKAY TO NOT HAVE INSURANCE?
10:41:47AM WHAT ABOUT THE PARTS OF YOUR JOB THAT YOU DO THAT AREN'T IN
10:41:50AM HERE.
10:41:51AM LIKE THE RIBBON CUTTING, THE PARADES, WHEN YOU GO TO
10:41:54AM NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS.
10:41:55AM THOSE THINGS SHOULD BE COVERED TOO.
10:41:57AM BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE NOT OFFICIALLY PART OF YOUR
10:42:02AM JOB, THEY ARE PART OF THE JOB YOU DO.
10:42:04AM LAST BUT NOT LEAST, LET'S TALK ABOUT COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER
10:42:07AM BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE ALL THIS STEMS FROM.
10:42:09AM I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT 100% CLEAR FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME,
10:42:16AM MY NAME WAS IN THE LAWSUIT.
10:42:17AM JEAN STROHMEYER'S NAME IN THE LAWSUIT.
10:42:23AM I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT I HAD NO CONTACT WITH
10:42:26AM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER VIA CAN LYNNE DINGFELDER'S PERSONAL
10:42:31AM E-MAIL, BUT NO ONE EVER ASKED ME.
10:42:33AM SO VIOLATION OF SUNSHINE?
10:42:36AM DIDN'T HAPPEN.
10:42:37AM SO WHEN YOU HAVE FRIVOLOUS LAWSUITS BEING FILED, AND PEOPLE
10:42:42AM HAVE TO GIVE UP THEIR PERSONAL SAVINGS TO DEAL WITH THAT
10:42:45AM CRAP.
10:42:46AM IT IS RIDICULOUS.
10:42:49AM AND WHAT REALLY BEFUDDLES ME, I AM THE PERSON THAT MAKES
10:42:54AM NOTHING FOR COMING HERE.
10:42:55AM BUT THIS IS THE SECOND TIME TODAY THAT I HAVE BEEN COME UP
10:42:59AM HERE TO ARGUE WITH ALL OF YOU TO DO SOMETHING FOR THE SEATS
10:43:03AM THAT YOU SIT IN.
10:43:04AM WHY DO I AS SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T MAKE ANY MONEY FOR DOING
10:43:10AM THIS HAVE TO SAY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS ABSOLUTELY MAKES
10:43:14AM SENSE WE HAVE EIGHT ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:43:21AM THE CITY STAFF, FOR SOME REASON, AT ALL OF THEM, BUT THE
10:43:25AM PUBLIC AFFAIRS BUNCH, THEY THINK WE ONLY HAVE ONE ELECTED
10:43:29AM OFFICIAL.
10:43:30AM I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO MAKE A MOTION TO ELECT TO PROTECT
10:43:36AM THE SEATS THAT HAD YOU SIT IN.
10:43:38AM THANK YOU.
10:43:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:43:43AM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:43:46AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I MEAN I HAVE BEEN HERE ALMOST FOUR YEARS
10:43:50AM NOW.
10:43:50AM AND SOMETIMES I -- I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
10:43:52AM I JUST REALLY DON'T.
10:43:54AM THINGS THAT -- LIKE SHE SAID THAT ARE COMMON SENSE.
10:43:58AM I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND.
10:44:00AM THINGS THAT WE KNOW THAT ARE WRONG, WE -- WE DON'T FIX, WE
10:44:04AM WAIT AROUND.
10:44:05AM I -- I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND.
10:44:08AM YOU KNOW, I HAVE RUN SEVERAL YOUTH PROGRAMS FOR DECADES,
10:44:14AM DECADES.
10:44:15AM AND I AM TALKING ABOUT NATIONALLY.
10:44:19AM AND ALL OF OUR OFFICERS HAVE DIRECTORS INSURANCE.
10:44:25AM ALL OF THEM.
10:44:26AM ALL OF THEM.
10:44:27AM SO WHAT SHE SAYS IS THE TRUTH.
10:44:29AM SHE IS NOT COMING UP HERE TO ARGUE POINTS.
10:44:32AM IT IS A VALID POINT.
10:44:34AM THAT EVERY LEAGUE THAT I HAVE RUN, IN OUR NATIONAL LEAGUES,
10:44:39AM JOHN SALLY IS A GOOD FRIEND OF MEAN AND RUN AS CHURCH.
10:44:44AM WE MAKE SURE THAT EVERY OFFICER, WE PLACE DIRECTORS
10:44:53AM INSURANCE ON THEM.
10:44:54AM IN CASE A CRIME IS COMMITTED OR IN CASE THEY DO SOMETHING OR
10:44:59AM IN CASE THEY ARE DEFENDING KIDS, BASICALLY DEFENDING
10:45:02AM THEMSELVES.
10:45:03AM INSURANCE ON THEM SO THEY DON'T GO BANKRUPT, BECAUSE THEY
10:45:09AM ARE VOLUNTEERING.
10:45:09AM YOU KNOW IN THE COURSE OF A JOB, THINGS HAPPEN.
10:45:16AM THINGS JUST HAPPEN SOMETIMES.
10:45:18AM BUT TO NOT HAVE SOMEONE TO DEFEND YOU, IF YOU DON'T HAVE
10:45:24AM MONEY, WHAT DO YOU DO?
10:45:31AM PERSON WHO DOESN'T HAVE MONEY CAN'T AFFORD AN ATTORNEY.
10:45:34AM BUT YOU VOLUNTEER BECAUSE YOU WANT TO SERVE THE CITY OF
10:45:38AM TAMPA.
10:45:38AM WANT TO SERVE THE PEOPLE.
10:45:40AM BUT ARE THOSE PEOPLE GOING TO GIVE YOU MONEY FOR A DAMN
10:45:46AM ATTORNEY?
10:45:47AM I AM GOING TO BE HONEST.
10:45:48AM DO WE HAVE MONEY TO GIVE YOU FOR AN ATTORNEY?
10:45:55AM THEY WILL SAY I WISH YOU WELL.
10:45:56AM SOME GENTLEMAN COME UP -- I TRY TO GO FUND ME ACCOUNT.
10:46:01AM BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, TALKING OF WRECKING YOUR FAMILY'S
10:46:06AM LIVELIHOOD WITH THEIR MONEY.
10:46:07AM NOT YOUR MONEY, THEIR MONEY.
10:46:10AM SO TO ME, THIS IS NOT A AT THE CAL THEY THINK TO DO, BECAUSE
10:46:14AM IT IS DONE EVERY DAY.
10:46:15AM IT IS DONE EVERY DAY.
10:46:17AM YOU JUST HAVE TO WANT TO DO IT.
10:46:20AM AND JUST DO IT.
10:46:21AM REGARDLESS.
10:46:22AM INSURANCE COMPANIES ALL DAY LONG -- INSURANCE ON COUNCIL AND
10:46:27AM YOU PAY -- EVEN IF A COUNCILMEMBER HAD TO PAY INDIVIDUALLY.
10:46:31AM AT LEAST YOU WON'T GO BANKRUPT.
10:46:35AM I THINK MISS POYNOR AND SOME OF THE CITIZENS -- NOT ROBBERY
10:46:41AM DOING THESE FOUR YEARS TO BRING THINGS TO LET THAT OTHER
10:46:45AM PEOPLE WERE SCARED TO DO.
10:46:46AM TIMES ARE CHANGING.
10:46:50AM THE CITY IS CHANGING.
10:46:51AM PEOPLE ARE GETTING INVOLVED IN THEIR LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND
10:46:55AM SEEING THINGS THAT AREN'T RIGHT AND THEY WANT THEM DONE THE
10:46:58AM RIGHT WAY.
10:46:59AM COUNCILMEMBERS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE ELECTED TO GET ON THESE
10:47:02AM BOARD WHO ARE MORE VOCAL NOW, MAKING SURE THE GOVERNMENT IS
10:47:07AM DOING THE RIGHT THING.
10:47:08AM NOT IF ALONG, GET ALONG PEOPLE ANYMORE.
10:47:11AM THAT IS WHAT THE CITIZENS WANT.
10:47:12AM THEY DON'T WANT GO ALONG, GET ALONG PEOPLE AND ADDRESS
10:47:16AM CONCERNS.
10:47:17AM WITH THAT COMES A PRICE AT TIMES.
10:47:19AM WITH THAT THERE IS A PRICE THAT YOU MAY BE ATTACKED
10:47:22AM POLITICALLY.
10:47:23AM SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I WON'T BE HERE.
10:47:26AM I AM STILL DEFENDING MYSELF.
10:47:28AM I AM ALWAYS GOING TO DEFEND MYSELF.
10:47:30AM LIKE MR. MIRANDA -- I WILL GO BANKRUPT.
10:47:35AM I WILL GO BROKE, MAN.
10:47:36AM I WILL GO DAMN IT, BROKE, TO DEFEND MY HONOR AND DEFEND MY
10:47:41AM CHARACTER.
10:47:41AM I AM GOING TO DO THAT.
10:47:45AM TRUST ME.
10:47:45AM I AM GOING TO DO THAT.
10:47:47AM THINGS HAVE TO BE RECTIFIED, MR. SHELBY, WITH ME.
10:47:54AM BUT I AM JUST SAYING, I HOPE COUNCILMEMBERS UNDERSTAND THE
10:48:01AM REALITY.
10:48:01AM NOT LOOK AT THE POLITICAL BUT THE REALITY OF WHAT THIS TIME
10:48:05AM AND ERA IS THAT OTHERS ARE DOING TO GET THEIR POINT ACROSS.
10:48:08AM AND IN INTIMIDATING WAYS AND FACTORS.
10:48:15AM I AM HOPING WHATEVER THIS COUNCIL DECIDE TO DO WILL BE
10:48:17AM BENEFICIAL FOR THE NEXT GROUP OF FOLKS SO THEY COULD BE
10:48:20AM PROTECT AND.
10:48:21AM THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:48:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:48:24AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:48:26AM IN READING ALL THIS, I -- IT STRIKES ME ON VARIOUS LEVELS.
10:48:30AM WHEN YOU ARE GROWING UP, YOU HEAR PEOPLE TALK.
10:48:34AM AND YOU TAKE ADVICE OR DON'T TAKE ADVICE OF THE ELDERS.
10:48:37AM YOU DON'T ASK SOMEONE THREE OR FOUR YEARS OLD FOR ADVICE
10:48:43AM WHEN YOU ARE 16 OR 17.
10:48:44AM I REMEMBER ONE THING SPECIFICALLY IN MY LIFE -- I SAID IT
10:48:49AM BEFORE ON COUNCIL.
10:48:49AM WHEN A FATHER PUT A DIME IN MY HAND AND WHAT IS THAT FAR.
10:48:54AM HE SAID IF YOU GET IN TROUBLE, CALL SOMEBODY ELSE.
10:48:57AM THAT ESSENTIAL WHEN -- WHEN THEY HAD PUBLIC STATIONS ALL
10:49:01AM OVER THE PLACE FOR A DIME.
10:49:02AM THAT IS ALWAYS STAYED IN MY MIND.
10:49:05AM AND NOW HERE COUNCILMAN GUDES SO RIGHTFULLY SAY THAT NO
10:49:10AM MATTER WHAT THE COST IS, IF I FEEL THAT I AM INNOCENT AND I
10:49:16AM KNOW THAT I AM INNOCENT, FEELING IS ONE THING.
10:49:18AM KNOWING IS ANOTHER.
10:49:19AM I WILL NEVER RESIGN.
10:49:21AM I WILL NEVER GIVE UP WHOEVER SUES ME UNTIL THE DAY THAT I AM
10:49:26AM BROKE OR THE DAY THAT I DIE.
10:49:28AM THAT WAS INSTILLED IN ME WHEN YOU WERE GROWING UP.
10:49:33AM AND AS I SEE THIS, YES, WE SIT ON BOARDS.
10:49:38AM ALL BOARDS IN THE CITY.
10:49:39AM ALL BOARDS WHEREVER YOU ARE AT IF YOU ARE A OR NOT A CITY
10:49:44AM EMPLOYEE, YOU SIT ON ANY BOARD.
10:49:45AM USUALLY YOU HAVE INSURANCE.
10:49:47AM YOU KNOW WHY?
10:49:48AM BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE AN ATTORNEY.
10:49:50AM THAT OVER SEES THE BOARD MEMBERS.
10:49:56AM THAT HAS THE POLITICAL KNOW-HOW HOW TO DEFEND SOMEONE.
10:50:00AM SO, THEREFORE, I JUST -- IN MY CASE SOMETHING HAPPENS, THE
10:50:06AM CITY ATTORNEY OR WHOEVER HE OR SHE IS CAN REPRESENT ME AT
10:50:10AM THE LEAST COST TO THE TAXPAYERS AS GOOD AS ADVICE YOU WILL
10:50:14AM GET ANYWHERE ELSE.
10:50:15AM THAT IS JUST ME.
10:50:16AM I AM NOT SAYING I AM RIGHT OR WRONG.
10:50:20AM BUT THERE IS AN ATTORNEY HERE, WHOEVER THAT ATTORNEY MAY BE,
10:50:24AM AND THERE IS A LEGAL STAFF THERE TO DO THE RESEARCH ALSO.
10:50:27AM SO THAT IS MY CASE.
10:50:29AM AND I DON'T -- YOU CAN VOTE ANYWAY YOU WANT.
10:50:32AM THAT IS WHAT YOU SHOULD DO.
10:50:34AM BUT I'M NOT GOING TO GO WITH ANYBODY PAYING ANY INSURANCE
10:50:39AM FOR ME IN CASE I DO SOMETHING WRONG.
10:50:41AM IF I DO IT WITH THE AUTOMOBILE, CERTAINLY YOU HAVE
10:50:45AM AUTOMOBILE COVERAGE.
10:50:45AM YOU HAVE HOME INSURANCE COVERAGE.
10:50:47AM THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT HE WAS GROWING UP WITH.
10:50:49AM THOSE, ARE THE THINGS I WILL TIE WITH.
10:50:54AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:50:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:50:56AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK CITY
10:51:01AM COUNCIL ATTORNEY TO RETURN ON JUNE 1 WITH A ORDINANCE FOR
10:51:05AM FIRST READING AND CONSIDERATION.
10:51:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
10:51:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:51:11AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:51:13AM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS?
10:51:18AM ROLL CALL VOTE.
10:51:19AM YOU.
10:51:25AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:51:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:51:29AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES, BUT IF IT IS ME, I AM GOING TO GET
10:51:32AM MY OWN ATTORNEY, THE CITY'S.
10:51:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
10:51:35AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:51:37AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:51:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
10:51:39AM >>CLERK: MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:51:45AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SECOND MOTION TO CM
10:51:53AM 22-73825.
10:51:55AM MAKE A MOTION TO ASK THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY TO RETURN ON
10:52:01AM JUNE 1 WITH A REPORT OF THE POSSIBILITY OF A -- A SELF--- A
10:52:06AM SMALL SELF-INSURANCE FUND AND OR THE CHIEF OF STAFF'S IDEA
10:52:11AM TO HAVE LIABILITY UMBRELLA INSURANCE AS A BENEFIT FOR
10:52:18AM DISCUSSION.
10:52:19AM >> SECOND.
10:52:21AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY I ASK, MR. CARLSON, IF YOU INCLUDE THE
10:52:25AM RISK MANAGER IN THAT DISCUSSION AS WELL.
10:52:28AM DO YOU WANT THE RISK MANAGER PRESENT OR NOT?
10:52:31AM BECAUSE COUNCIL, LET ME JUST SHARE WITH YOU, IN DRAFTING
10:52:34AM THIS, THE COMPLEXITY OF IT IS THE FACT THAT -- AS IT WAS
10:52:37AM STATED, THAT THE CITY IS SELF-INSURED WHICH MEANS THE FIRST
10:52:41AM $500,000 IS THE DEDUCTIBLE.
10:52:43AM >>BILL CARLSON: WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE SPECIFIC.
10:52:46AM I MADE A MOTION TO HAVE YOU COME BACK AND YOU DECIDE WHO YOU
10:52:49AM WANT TO BRING WITH YOU.
10:52:50AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY.
10:52:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
10:52:52AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WILL INVITE THEM.
10:52:55AM WHOEVER IS APPROPRIATE.
10:52:56AM THANK YOU, SIR.
10:52:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:52:59AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:53:01AM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
10:53:05AM WILL WE HAVE ROLL CALL VOTE.
10:53:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:53:13AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
10:53:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
10:53:16AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:53:18AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:53:19AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:53:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
10:53:21AM >>CLERK: MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:53:24AM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I MAKE A FINAL COMMENT?
10:53:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:53:30AM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU ALL FOR VOTING ON THOSE TWO.
10:53:33AM I WILL NOT MAKE A MOTION RIGHT NOW, BUT FORMER COUNCILMEMBER
10:53:37AM DINGFELDER IS PROHIBITED BY -- THE MEDIA PROHIBITED FROM
10:53:42AM ASKING FOR REIMBURSEMENT FOR FUNDS FOR HIS SITUATION.
10:53:45AM I WON'T RELITIGATE THE FACTS HERE, BUT I THINK AT SOME POINT
10:53:52AM CITY COUNCIL SHOULD VOLUNTARILY OFFER TO REIMBURSE HIM.
10:53:55AM HE HAD A GO FUND ME ACCOUNT THAT PAID A SMALL PORTION OF IT,
10:53:58AM BUT IT WAS AN UNDUE BURDEN PUT ON HE AND HIS FAMILY.
10:54:02AM SECOND, OUR CURRENT COLLEAGUE LEAVING SOON ORLANDO GUDES AND
10:54:06AM AGAIN I WON'T REIT GATE THAT SITUATION, BUT THE -- THE --
10:54:11AM AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH HE SPENT BUT A JUDGE HAS TWICE
10:54:14AM THROWN OUT THE COURT CASE AGAINST HIM, WHICH MEETS THE TEST
10:54:18AM OF THE STATE BEING ALLOWING US TO REIMBURSE.
10:54:21AM AND -- AND IF WE LOOK AT THE SITUATION AS WE TALKED ABOUT IN
10:54:26AM THE LAST MEETING, THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE
10:54:30AM BOTH WERE INVOLVED IN -- IN PUBLICIZING POTENTIAL LITIGATION
10:54:37AM WHICH -- WHICH IN BOTH CASES WHICH -- WHICH POTENTIALLY LED
10:54:42AM TO -- OR WAS THE CAUSE OF THE LITIGATION.
10:54:45AM IN BOTH CASES, THE CITY HAS LIABILITY IF WE DON'T
10:54:48AM PROACTIVELY REIMBURSE FOR EXPENSES.
10:54:52AM I WILL ASK -- SINCE I AM NOT ALLOWED TO ASK IN A PRIVATE
10:54:55AM FORUM.
10:54:56AM I WILL ASK IF HE HASN'T ALREADY FOR COUNCILMAN GUDES TO
10:55:01AM SUBMIT WHATEVER COST TO CATEGORY AND UPON THE ADVICE OF THE
10:55:06AM CITY ATTORNEY THAT I OR SOMEONE BRING THIS UP BECAUSE IT IS
10:55:08AM NOT FAIR FOR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO BE SUED IN OBLIVION
10:55:12AM WITHOUT SUPPORT.
10:55:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
10:55:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN --
10:55:18AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DIDN'T GET -- RESTATE THE MOTION.
10:55:20AM COUNCIL, JUST IN GENERAL, BECAUSE THIS CAME UP TODAY.
10:55:25AM AND MOVING FORWARD, I AM GOING TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION TOWN
10:55:29AM THE ROAD, BUT WHEN YOU TEAM YOUR MOTIONS, GENERALLY
10:55:33AM SPEAKING, JUST DO IT IN THE MINE SET THAT YOU WANT TO SEE
10:55:35AM WHAT IS GOING TO APPEAR ON PAPER, ON THE AGENDA, BECAUSE
10:55:42AM THAT IS REFLECTED IN PAPERER AND IT IS DISTRIBUTED -- AND
10:55:45AM GOES TO STAFF.
10:55:46AM SO JUST BE MINDFUL OF THE FACT WHEN YOU HAVE A DISCUSSION
10:55:51AM AND YOU WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION, PUT IT IN THE FORM THAT YOU
10:55:54AM WANT IT TO APPEAR WHEN IT COMES BACK SO IT TRULY REFLECTS
10:55:58AM WHAT YOUR INTENTION IS.
10:55:59AM >>BILL CARLSON: IF YOU ALL DOPE MIND.
10:56:03AM LET ME JUST TRY TO MAKE A MOTION.
10:56:05AM I WILL ASK THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY AND CITY ATTORNEY
10:56:08AM RETURN ON APRIL 6 TO DISCUSS -- APRIL -- I AM TRYING TO DO
10:56:15AM IT -- APRIL 20.
10:56:18AM CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY AND CITY ATTORNEY TO RETURN ON APRIL
10:56:22AM 20 TO DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF REIMBURSING FORMER COUNCIL.
10:56:27AM MEMBER DINGFELDER AND GUDES FOR THEIR LEGAL FEES.
10:56:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
10:56:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU SECONDED?
10:56:37AM A MOTION BE COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:56:38AM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:56:40AM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
10:56:42AM COUNCILMAN MERIDIAN.
10:56:43AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THESE
10:56:46AM CASES TO GET INVOLVED.
10:56:46AM AND I DON'T KNOW -- I HAVEN'T FOLLOWED EITHER ONE OF THOSE
10:56:51AM CASES SO I AM NOT GOING TO VOTE YES.
10:56:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:56:59AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ONCE AGAIN, MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE A GOOD
10:57:03AM COUNCILMEMBER.
10:57:03AM AT THIS TIME A LOT OF LITIGATION DONE WITH THE CITY AFTER I
10:57:08AM LEAVE.
10:57:08AM A LOT OF LITIGATION.
10:57:09AM SO I PREFER AT THIS TIME -- I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS, BUT
10:57:13AM WE HAVE GOOD ATTORNEYS ON BOARD.
10:57:14AM WE HAVE A FEW MORE HURDLES TO CLIMB.
10:57:19AM AND SOME THINGS THAT WILL HAPPEN.
10:57:21AM SO I -- I THANK YOU, BUT I WILL WISH FOR YOU TO RETRACT THE
10:57:28AM MOTION AND WE WILL DEAL WITH THE SITUATION IF.
10:57:33AM >>BILL CARLSON: AMEND MY MOTION TO REMOVE COUNCILMAN GUDES
10:57:35AM AND DISCUSS FORMER COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:57:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
10:57:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: JUST FOR THE RECORD, WITHDRAW YOUR FIRST
10:57:42AM MOTION ARMED GO AHEAD.
10:57:45AM >>BILL CARLSON: WITHDRAW THE FIRST MOTION, AND NEW MOTION
10:57:48AM WOULD BE TO ASK THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY AND CITY ATTORNEY
10:57:51AM TO RETURN ON APRIL 20 TO DISCUSS THE -- THE POSSIBILITY OF
10:57:58AM REIMBURSING FORMER COUNCILMEMBER DINGFELDER FOR HIS LEGAL
10:58:03AM FEES.
10:58:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: JUST A DISCUSSION?
10:58:06AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:58:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:58:09AM SECONDED BE COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:58:10AM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
10:58:12AM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:58:13AM >>LUIS VIERA: I WISH WE HAD MORE TIME.
10:58:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE GOT TO GO.
10:58:17AM >>LUIS VIERA: AND I -- I KNOW COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:58:20AM I DON'T WANT TO VOTE NO ON THIS, BUT I WILL JUST SAY IT, I
10:58:23AM WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I AM TIRED OF WHAT I HAVE TO CALL
10:58:26AM THE CITY COUNCIL CULTURE WARS.
10:58:28AM WE CONTINUE TO -- TO DEAL WITH ISSUES AGAIN AND AGAIN AND
10:58:33AM AGAIN AND AGAIN.
10:58:33AM I AM NOT CASTING BLAME ON ANYBODY, BUT JUST SOMETHING THAT I
10:58:37AM AM PERSONALLY VERY, VERY TIERED OF.
10:58:39AM ALL I AM SAYING.
10:58:40AM SEEMS THAT WE CONTINUE TO ESCA LATE THIS THINGS AND GET
10:58:43AM HOTTER AND HOTTER AND HOTTER ON THESE ISSUES.
10:58:45AM AND, AGAIN, WITH -- WITH TWO MINUTES ON SOMETHING THAT
10:58:51AM SOMETHING -- SOMEBODY I HAVE KNOWN FOR A WHILE WHEN THERE
10:58:54AM COULD BE LEGAL ISSUES WITH THIS.
10:58:55AM YOU KNOW WHAT, CAN THIS BE BROUGHT UP THIS EVENING WHEN I
10:58:59AM CAN TALK TO LEGAL ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I WOULD HATE TO
10:59:02AM PREMATURELY VOTE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WITH DEFERENCE.
10:59:08AM >>BILL CARLSON: IF WE PUT IT CONTINUE TO THE AGENDA -- IS
10:59:12AM JUST ASKING FOR DISCUSS DISCUSSION ON IT.
10:59:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT IS JUST -- YEAH, SECOND.
10:59:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND
10:59:21AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:59:22AM WILL SHELBY, DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING?
10:59:25AM YOU LOOK LIKE YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING.
10:59:27AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, I DO LOOK THAT WAY, DON'T I?
10:59:33AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: CROSSED EYE A BIT, YEAH.
10:59:36AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE PARTIES
10:59:38AM INVOLVED, IS AN UNANTICIPATED MOTION ON MY PART.
10:59:42AM AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT IS OUT OF ORDER.
10:59:44AM CERTAINLY CAN BE VOTED ON, BUT I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN VIERA
10:59:49AM WAS -- I WON'T ASK YOU TO PUT IT IN THE FORM OF A MOTION
10:59:54AM UNLESS SOMETHING YOU WANT.
10:59:55AM I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT COUNCIL -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE
10:59:59AM EFFECT OF THIS.
11:00:00AM THIS IS UNUSUAL TO BE DISCUSSED.
11:00:02AM >>BILL CARLSON: TURNS OUT WE CAN'T DO IT -- SHELBY SHE WILL
11:00:05AM HOW ARE YOU FRAMING TO DISCUSS --
11:00:07AM >>BILL CARLSON: TO DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF REIMBURSING --
11:00:11AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: OUTER LOOP OKAY.
11:00:12AM THAT IS ON THE AGENDA AND WE CAN WORK THAT OUT.
11:00:15AM DO YOU HAVE AN ISSUE ABOUT THAT?
11:00:19AM THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE 11:00.
11:00:22AM >>LUIS VIERA: I AM GOING TO VOTE YES OUT OF COURTESY TO
11:00:25AM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, ETC.
11:00:27AM AND IT IS FOR DISCUSSION, BUT, AGAIN, MY OBJECTIONS ARE --
11:00:31AM ARE ON THIS BUT OUT OF COURTESY I WILL.
11:00:35AM >>BILL CARLSON: FOR THE RECORD AND COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:00:41AM NOBODY ON HIS BEHALF HAVE ASKED ME TO DO THIS.
11:00:44AM MY OWN PRINCIPLE TOP PASS THIS AS A DETERRENT TOP PREVENT
11:00:51AM CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO BE ATTACKED IN THE FUTURE.
11:00:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BE COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED BY
11:00:58AM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:00:59AM ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
11:01:03AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
11:01:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
11:01:05AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:01:07AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:01:08AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:01:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:01:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
11:01:12AM >>CLERK: MOTION PASSED WITH MIRANDA AND CITRO VOTING NO.
11:01:18AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, I BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION IT
11:01:20AM IS 11:00.
11:01:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I UNDERSTAND THAT.
11:01:22AM SKIP WITH THE INFORMATION REPORTS RIGHT NOW.
11:01:24AM WE ARE NOW --
11:01:26AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU CAN READ.
11:01:27AM IF YOU CAN READ --
11:01:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WILL, BUT ADJOURNED FOR THE FIRST ONE.
11:01:32AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOT ADJOURNED -- I WANT TO BE CLEAR FOR THE
11:01:35AM RECORD.
11:01:35AM YOU ARE IN SESSION.
11:01:36AM YOU ARE REMAINING IN SESSION.
11:01:38AM AND YOU ARE READING THIS DURING THE SESSION.
11:01:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IN ACCORDANCE TO FLORIDA STATUTE 286.0118,
11:01:50AM WE WILL PROCEED TO A CLOSED ATTORNEY-CLIENT TO DISCUSS
11:01:55AM NEGOTIATIONS IN THE CASE OF ROBERT VAZZO AND THE CITY OF
11:01:59AM TAMPA, CASE NUMBER 817CV 02896 WHICH IS CURRENTLY PENDING IN
11:02:08AM THE MIDDLE DISTRICT OF FLORIDA.
11:02:10AM THIS CLOSED SESSION IS ESTIMATED TO LAST A TOTAL OF 45
11:02:13AM MINUTES AND WILL BE RECORDED BY A CERTIFIED COURT REPORTER.
11:02:16AM THE NAMES OF THE PERSONS ATTENDING THE CLOSED SESSION ARE AS
11:02:21AM FOLLOWS: COUNCILMEMBER CITRO.
11:02:24AM COUNCIL MEMBER BILL CARLSON, BILL GUDES, LYNN HURTAK, GUIDO
11:02:36AM MANISCALCO, CHARLIE MIRANDA, LUIS VIERA CITY COUNCIL MARTIN
11:02:41AM SHELBY, CITY ATTORNEY ANDREA ZELMAN, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY
11:02:45AM DAVID HARVEY.
11:02:46AM AND CERTIFIED COURT REPORTER DEBBIE GUEST, FROM REPORTERS ON
11:02:51AM MADISON.
11:02:52AM AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE CLOSED ATTORNEY-CLIENT SESSION,
11:02:55AM THIS MEETING WILL BE REOPENED AND I WILL ANNOUNCE THE
11:02:59AM DETERMINATION OF THE SESSION.
11:03:01AM A TRANSCRIPT -- A TRANSCRIPT OF THE CLOSED ATTORNEY-CLIENT
11:03:07AM HAD HAD BEEN MADE PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD UPON CONCLUSION
11:03:10AM OF LITIGATION OF THE VAZZO CASE.
11:03:14AM WE WILL GO TO THE CONFERENCE ROOM ON THE 8th FLOOR.
11:03:17AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: FOR THE CLOSED SESSION, THANK YOU.
[CLOSED SESSION]
11:51:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
11:51:10AM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
11:51:15AM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
11:51:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
11:51:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
11:51:18AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
11:51:22AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
11:51:23AM >>CLERK: YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
11:51:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY, YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING BEFORE
11:51:29AM I MAKE A STATEMENT.
11:51:33AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, COUNCIL, THIS WAS A CLOSED SESSION.
11:51:36AM EVERYTHING THAT WAS SAID UPSTAIRS, PLEASE BE MINDFUL THAT IT
11:51:44AM IS IT KEPT IN CLOSED SESSION.
11:51:46AM A TRANSCRIPT WILL HAD BEEN PROVIDED AT THE END OF THIS
11:51:48AM LITIGATION.
11:51:48AM THANK YOU.
11:51:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AT THIS TIME, I AM GOING TO ANNOUNCE THE
11:51:52AM DISCUSSION IN THE CLOSED ATTORNEY-CLIENT SESSION OF THE CASE
11:51:57AM OF ROBERT VAZZO VERSUS THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS BEEN
11:52:04AM TERMINATED.
11:52:05AM THANK YOU.
11:52:07AM WE WILL WAIT FOR INFORMATION REPORTS AT TONIGHT'S
11:52:12AM SESSION.
11:52:12AM SO NOW WE ARE AT RECESS UNTIL 5:01P.M.
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