Tampa City Council
Thursday, March 23, 2023
9:00 a.m. Workshops
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09:02:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO CITY COUNCIL
HELD THIS DAY, MARCH 23, 2023.
ROLL CALL PLEASE.
EXCUSE ME.
I APOLOGIZE.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
YOU HAVE INVOCATION TODAY.
09:03:00AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE FOR THE MANY TIMES
THE REVEREND DR. JOHNSON PhD WHO HE HAS BEEN SEEN AND
ACKNOWLEDGED AS A VOICE FOR OUR GENERATION.
AMAZING ABILITY TO MINISTER TO ALL AGE GROUPS.
PREACHING, TEACHING AND LEADERSHIP STYLE OF APPROACH TO REAL
LIFE ACCOMPANIED BY A DOWN-TO-EARTH SENSE OF HUMOR.
FOOTPRINT STARTED IN 1994 AND PASTORAL IN 2001.
HE KNEW AT THE AGE OF FIVE THAT THE LORD ANOINTED HIM TO CHANGE
THE WORLD.
THROUGH HIS ACADEMIC PURSUIT, UNIVERSITY AND A BACHELOR
IN CHURCH MINISTRY AND A MASTER OF MINISTRY FROM WARNER
UNIVERSITY AND A DOCTOR OF PHILOSOPHY AND CHRISTIAN THOUGHT.
HE WAS HONORED BY ST. THOMAS CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY FOR
COMMITMENT TO MINISTRY WITH A DIVINITY DEGREE IN 2006.
ALSO AMONG OTHER THINGS THAT WE MENTIONED, A NAVY CHAPLAIN
AND STATIONED AT MacDILL AND WORKS FOR THE CDC.
REVEREND JOHNSON.
STAND TO SAY THE INVOCATION AND THEN DO THE PLEDGE OF
ALLEGIANCE.
09:04:12AM >> GOOD MORNING TO ALL OF YOU.
BOW YOUR HEADS WITH ME.
DEAR LOVING FATHER, PLEASE ALLOW ME, FIRST, TO SAY THANK
YOU.
ON BEHALF OF ALL OF US WHO ARE GATHERED HERE TODAY, THANK
YOU FOR YOUR MANY ABUNDANT BLESSINGS.
THANK YOU FOR LIFE ITSELF, THE MEASURE OF HEALTH WE NEED TO
FULFILL OUR CALLING.
FOR SUSTENANCE AND FRIENDSHIP.
THANK YOU FOR THE ABILITY TO BE INVOLVED IN USEFUL WORK AND
THE HONOR OF BEING APPROPRIATED WITH RESPONSIBILITIES IN
THIS LIFE.
THANKS AS WELL FOR THE FREEDOM TO EMBRACE YOU, AND THE
FREEDOM TO REJECT YOU.
THANK YOU FOR LOVING US EVEN SO FROM YOUR BOUNDLESS AND
GRACIOUS NAME.
IN THE SCRIPTURES, YOU HAVE SAID THAT CITIZENS OUGHT TO OBEY
THE GOVERNING AUTHORITIES SINCE YOU HAVE ESTABLISHED THOSE
VERY AUTHORITIES TO PROMOTE PEACE AND ORDER AND JUSTICE.
THEREFORE, I PRAY FOR OUR MAYOR, FOR OUR CITY COUNCIL, AND
CITY OFFICIALS AND, IN PARTICULAR, THOSE WHO GATHERED HERE
TODAY.
I AM ASKING THAT YOU GRACIOUSLY GRANT THEM WISDOM TO GOVERN
ISSUES OF THEIR TIME.
A SENSE OF WELFARE AND TRUE NEEDS FOR OUR PEOPLE.
A KING FIRST FOR JUSTICE AND RIGHTEOUS.
CONFIDENCE IN WHAT IS GOOD AND FITTING.
THE ABILITY TO WORK TOGETHER IN HAD HARMONY, EVEN WHEN THERE
IS HONEST DISAGREEMENT.
PERSONAL PEACE IN THEIR LIVES AND JOY IN THEIR TASKS.
FINALLY, FATHER, I PRAY FOR THE AGENDA SET BEFORE THEM
TODAY.
PLEASE GIVE ASSURANCES OF WHAT WILL PLEASE YOU AND WHAT WILL
BENEFIT THOSE WHO LIVE AND WORK IN AND AROUND OUR BELOVED
CITY OF TAMPA.
IN YOUR MOST BELOVED NAME, I PRAY.
AMEN.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:06:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK, NOW WE WILL HAVE
ROLL CALL.
09:06:17AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
09:06:23AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
09:06:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
09:06:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
09:06:26AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
09:06:27AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
09:06:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE.
09:06:29AM >>CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:06:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY.
09:06:34AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, SIR.
09:06:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU WANT TO GIVE US PRESENTATION GUIDELINES.
09:06:39AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO LONGER, SIR.
09:06:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
EXCELLENT.
09:06:43AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT IS NOW PART OF YOUR RULES.
I WILL BE WORKING WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE TO HAVE THE AGENDA
ITSELF AMENDED TO REFLECT THE CHANGES.
09:06:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
JUST SO THE VIEWING AUDIENCE KNOWS WHAT IS
GOING ON, JUST GIVE A BRIEF TALK ON WHY WE ARE NO LONGER
GIVING PRESENTATIONS OF GUIDELINES.
09:07:06AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BECAUSE THOSE GUIDELINES HAVE BEEN
INCORPORATED INTO YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURES OF WHICH
A NEWLY AMENDED LIST IS IN FRONT OF YOU AND I ALSO E-MAILED IT
TO THE ADMINISTRATION TO DISTRIBUTE TO THE CITY STAFF AND ADOPTED
BY RESOLUTION 2023-251 ON MARCH 16.
WHAT THAT DOES THEN, REFERS PEOPLE TO THE INSTRUCTIONS THAT
ARE AVAILABLE WHICH WILL BE ON THE AGENDA AND ALSO
IMPORTANTLY ON THE CITY'S WEB SITE AT TAMPA.GOV/CITYCOUNCIL.
SO FROM THIS POINT FORWARD, COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA TECHNOLOGY
IS INCORPORATED INTO YOUR RULES AND NO LONGER A NEED FOR ME
TO SPEAK ABOUT IT ANY LONGER UNLESS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
AND I DON'T INTEND TO.
09:07:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.
FINALLY CATCHING UP AFTER COVID.
OKAY.
WE ARE GOING TO NOW GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYONE WISHING TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME, WOULD
YOU PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM IN THE FRONT OF THE ROOM.
AND YOU WILL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF YOU CAN PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
09:08:14AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I AM SALLY LEE FROM THE VOLUNTEER MISSIONARY SOCIETY PENNY
FUND.
AND I HAVE BEEN AT THAT MINORITY BUSINESS FOR THREE YEARS.
IT IS NOW MY TIME TO BE RECERTIFIED.
AND I MIGHT -- AT THE DRY BONES BUREAU AND I NEED HELP.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU TO ASK CHIEF DEPUTY JOHNSON THAT
I WANTED TO APPLY FOR ONE OF THE SMALL GRANTS THAT HE HAS.
AND I THOUGHT SINCE YOU ALL KNOW ME, YOU MIGHT RECOMMEND MY
PROGRAM.
I HAVE BEEN WORKING AND RUNNING FOR A LONG TIME TRYING TO
GET A PROJECT GOING.
THIS IS MY BOOK OF WORK.
BUT THE LAST PAST THREE YEARS, I WALKED 5,000 MILES FOR
HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS.
AND NOW I WANT TO GET A BUILDING AND MY GRANT FUNDING.
AND THIS THE WORK.
AND IT WAS EVERYTHING THAT I DON'T KNOW CHIEF DEPUTY
JOHNSON, BUT I HAD GOT A REFERRAL WHEN I HEARD HIM ON THE
VIDEO SATURDAY.
AND BISHOP PATTY HAD REFERRED ME ALSO.
MY PROGRAM.
SHE HAS GIVEN IT.
AND IT HAS ONLY RUNNING ON A SMALL AMOUNT OF FUNDING, AND
AFTER WE GOT CLOSED, I MOVED TO THE LIBRARY TO 50th STREET
AND WE GOT CLOSED DOWN TWO DAYS LATER.
BUT WHO CAN YOU BE AFRAID OF WHEN YOU ARE WORKING FOR GOD
AND DOING HIS BUSINESS.
AND I AM.
AND I WOULD LIKE YOU ALL TO RECOMMEND TO HIM TO LET ME APPLY
TO ONE OF THE GRANTS.
I DON'T KNOW CHIEF DEPUTY JOHNSON.
I JUST HEARD HIM AND I CALLED HIM LATER, AND I AM STILL
WAITING TO HEAR FROM HIM, AND I DON'T OUT STANDING GRANT
AND ALL THE PROOF YOU NEED.
THIS IS WORK.
REAL WORK THAT I HAVE DONE.
AND I WOULD TRULY LIKE TO GET SOME HELP SO WE CAN OPEN BACK
UP.
AND I ASK GOD TO JUST HELP ME.
HERE IS -- I HAD OUT MY -- AND WE ARE HAVING A ONE-HOUR
LEMONADE SALE AT THE BELLA MART STORE.
ONE HOUR IS WHAT SHE GAVE ME AND WE WILL BE SELLING LEMONADE
FOR $2 A CUP.
AND I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO COME.
AND I WOULD LIKE SOMEBODY TO SAY THAT THEY WILL SUPPORT THIS
GRANT.
IF YOU WANT TO READ IT, YOU CAN.
AND I AM SALLY LEE WITH THE VOLUNTEER MISSIONARY SOCIETY
PENNY FUND.
THANK YOU.
IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS.
09:11:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY.
MR. SHELBY?
09:11:07AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THIS IS A GRANT THROUGH THE CITY, THAT'S
CORRECT?
09:11:10AM >> YES.
CHIEF DEPUTY JOHNSON -- I THINK HE SAID HE HAD FIVE
DIFFERENT GRANTS.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO APPLY.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO GET RECOMMENDED, AGAIN, FOR SOME HELP.
09:11:23AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE QUESTION THEN THAT I HAVE -- AND I
DON'T --
09:11:27AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IS THE CHAIR RECOGNIZED?
09:11:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY -- LET MR. SHELBY FINISH AND THEN
I RECOGNIZE YOU, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:11:35AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MAY BE RELEVANT TO WHAT I AM ABOUT TO SAY.
IN ALL DEFERENCE, YIELD TO MR. GUDES.
09:11:44AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
PROBABLY TALKING OF THE TPD CARES GRANT
THEY ARE GIVING OUT TO DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS.
MISS SALLY, I WILL SEND A MEMO TO DEPUTY CHIEF JOHNSON OF
HOW TO FILL OUT THE APPLICATION.
THEY MEET HAVE DIFFERENT CRITERIA.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU MEET THOSE DIFFERENT CRITERIA, BUT I
WILL HAVE DEPUTY CHIEF JOHNSON TO TRY TO GET IN TOUCH WITH
YOU.
GO NEXT DOOR AND LEAVE YOUR NUMBER OR E-MAIL, AND I WILL MAKE
SURE HE GETS IT TODAY.
09:12:11AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
AND GOD BLESS AND SAVE US ALL AND SAVE AMERICA.
AMEN.
09:12:15AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
FOLLOWING THAT UP, THIS IS A FUNCTION OF THE ADMINISTRATION,
WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE SHE IS REQUESTING MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE
FOR YOU TO DO FROM THE DAIS AND I WANTED TO RAISE THAT ISSUE
AND LOOKS LIKE THE SOLUTION HAS BEEN PRODUCED.
SO THANK YOU.
09:12:32AM >> THANK YOU.
09:12:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:12:35AM >> GOOD MORNING.
STEPHANIE.
I WANTED TO CONFIRM THIS IS A WORKSHOP, AND I CAN COMMENT ON
THE OTHER ITEMS AS THEY ARE HEARD, CORRECT?
THAT'S USUALLY THE CASE.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF LITTLE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS.
ONE, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAD CANDIDATES THAT WERE
RUNNING FOR OFFICE WHO DID NOT LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
AND WHEN I CONTACTED THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS, THEY SAID NOT
OUR PROBLEM.
WE DON'T CHECK THAT.
NOW I WILL NOTE THAT WHEN COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WAS APPOINTED,
THERE WERE TWO PEOPLE WHO RAN FOR THAT HOP WANTED TO BE
INCLUDED IN THAT.
AND THEY WERE ALMOST IMMEDIATELY -- PROBABLY WITHIN 24 HOURS
RULED OUT AS NONCITIZENS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY IT WAS ALLOWED TO CONTINUE.
WHY ITS NOT BEEN FOLLOWED UP ON.
WHY IF SOMEBODY ASKED ABOUT IT, WHY IT WASN'T INVESTIGATED.
THERE IS ONE -- ONE I AM FAIRLY CERTAIN OF.
I LOOKED AT THE TAX RECORDS.
THE TAX RECORDS SAY THEY LIVE IN RIVERVIEW.
THEY HAD HOMESTEAD THERE AND ANOTHER ISSUE.
HERE IS MY PROBLEM.
MY PROBLEM IS NOT WITH AN INDIVIDUAL CANDIDATE.
MY PROBLEM IS THAT THAT CANDIDATE PROBABLY FORCED US INTO A
RUNOFF THAT COST TAX DOLLARS.
THAT IS AN ISSUE FOR ME.
EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE TO VERIFY WHERE THEY LIVE.
STANDING UP THERE SAYING I FILLED UP THIS PAPERWORK, AND I
DIDN'T LIE ON IT ISN'T ENOUGH FOR ME PERSONALLY SO I WOULD
LIKE -- I ALREADY CONTACTED MISS ZELMAN ABOUT IT A COUPLE OF
WEEKS AGO JUST BEFORE THE ELECTION, BUT I WOULD LIKE THAT
CITY COUNCIL TAKE SOME TYPE OF ACTION ON IT, BECAUSE THE
BOARD OF ELECTIONS SAYS WE DON'T TOUCH THAT.
WE DON'T DO THAT.
SO THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ORDINANCE OF SOME SORT THAT REQUIRES
THAT FOLKS NEED TO BE IN THE CITY.
AND REQUIRES SOMEBODY TO VERIFY THAT.
I KNOW IT CAN BE DONE, BECAUSE IT WAS DONE WHEN MISS HURTAK
WAS APPOINTED.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE.
I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU JUST A SECOND FOR THE MAYOR'S
NEIGHBORHOOD UNIVERSITY.
MY UNDERSTANDING THAT MY NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS ARE NOT IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD UNIVERSITY.
YOU HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WITH IT.
YOU NEVER INVITED OR ATTENDED UNLESS YOU ARE A NEIGHBORHOOD
LEADER, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING AND I ALREADY MAILED AND I
DIDN'T GET A RESPONSE THAT ONLY BRAND-NEW NEIGHBORHOODS ARE
ALLOWED TO ATTEND.
BUT T.H.A.N. IS NOT BEING INFORMED OF THESE NEW
NEIGHBORHOODS OR THEIR PARTICIPATION IN THE CITY.
WHY?
JUST ASKING.
SO MUCH THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF LITTLE THINGS I WANTED TO
ADDRESS, AND I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE VERY BOTTOM OF
MY HEART.
YOU KNOW HOW NEAR AND DEAR CMT WAS TO ME BECAUSE MOST OF YOU
HEARD OF IT WHEN YOU TRIED TO TURN IT OFF WHEN THE GOVERNOR
WANTED TO TURN IT OFF.
IT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA HAVE A
VOICE IN THIS CHAMBER BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY PLACE THEY
HAVE A VOICE.
THANK YOU.
09:15:43AM >> UHURU, MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
I SAY UHURU BECAUSE MEANS FREEDOM IN SWAHILI.
WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE ANY OF FREEDOM.
IT BRINGS A JOY TO MY HEART THINKING OF FREEDOM.
THIS CITY COUNCIL LIKE OTHER CITY COUNCILS THROUGHOUT THE
ENTIRE UNITED STATES, THROUGHOUT THE WORLD, THEY ARE MOST
LIKE FUNCTIONARIES IN PUBLIC GOVERNMENTS AND PUPPET.
THEY ARE NOT EVEN LEADERS.
NOT EVEN LEADERS.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WE SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN NO.
WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED WITH DONALD TRUMP.
WITH OTHER PEOPLE.
ANYBODY CAN RUN FOR THESE OFFICES AND GET IT.
A MAN FROM McDONALD'S RUNNING IF THE OFFICE TO BE IN CITY
GOVERNMENT.
NOBODY KNOWS NOTHING BUT BEING AN EMPLOYER, AND THAT'S IT.
NOTHING IN THE COMMUNITY.
NOTHING ANYWHERE KNOW HIM FOR OTHER THAN THE BIG FIASCO IN A
NEIGHBORHOOD DOWN IN BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
THAT IS A CERTAIN KIND OF REALITY THAT WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE.
DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT PROBLEMS.
AFRICAN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT SPEED BUMPS, DRUGS, LOUD MUSIC.
WHATSOEVER THEY TALK ABOUT.
BUT OF NO SIGNIFICANCE.
WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE, WHEN WE APPROACH THESE CITY COUNCILS
AND CITY GOVERNMENT AND PRY HAVE THE CORPORATIONS, WE NEED
TO TALK ABOUT REPARATIONS.
I WANT TO SAY THE BLACK PEOPLE.
I WANT TO SAY TO BLACK PEOPLE, WHITE PEOPLE HAVE A DUTY AND
RESPONSIBILITY THAT THEY OWE US TRILLIONS AND TRILLIONS AND
TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT OUR ANCESTORS DIDN'T WORK FOR
FREE.
DIDN'T WORK UNDER PAY.
DIDN'T GET SLAVERY AND AMERICA AND NO ONE ELSE.
WHITE WESTERN CIVILIZATION IS NOT GETTING THAT FOR FREE AN
WE NEED OUR REPARATIONS.
AFRICAN PEOPLE, WHEN WE COME DOWN HERE -- MOST AFRICAN
PEOPLE ARE SCARED TO COME DOWN HERE.
THAT IS WHY YOU DON'T SEE -- WE HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS IN
THE 'HOOD, BUT MOST AFRICAN PEOPLE WON'T COME DOWN HERE,
PERIOD.
WHY?
BECAUSE THEY'RE FRAYED.
THEY ARE SIMPLY AFRAID.
THEY ARE AFRAID OF GOVERNMENT.
THEY ARE AFRAID OF THE POLICE.
THEY ARE AFRAID OF GETTING KICKED OUT OF THEIR HOMES.
PEOPLE ARE AFRAID.
AFRAID OF EVERYTHING.
AFRAID.
100% TERRIFIED AND THAT TERROR JUST LEADS MOSTLY AFRICAN
PEOPLE TO ALL KIND OF CRAZINESS.
ALCOHOLISM, DRUG ADDICTION, MISEDUCATION.
WE ARE NOT BEING EDUCATED.
NOTHING, THE SYSTEM DOES ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY NOTHING FOR
US.
AND SITTING ON TRILLIONS AND TRILLIONS AND TRILLIONS OF
DOLLARS.
THAT THOSE ARE OUR DOLLARS.
SAN FRANCISCO SAYS $5 MILLION PER PERSON.
REAL DOLLARS.
NOT INFLATED DOLLARS.
AND WE NEED PART OF THAT MONEY.
BLACK PEOPLE WHEN WE COME DOWN HERE, WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT
REPARATIONS.
ONLY THING TO TALK ABOUT REPARATIONS.
ALL THAT OTHER STUFF TONIGHT MA THE OTHER.
WHITE PEOPLE OWE US AND THEY HAVE TO PAY US.
PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
NOT TALKING ABOUT SPEED BUMPS.
WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT LOUD MUSIC.
NOT TALKING OF PARKS AND RECREATION.
OR MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR. HOLIDAYS OR JUNETEENTH OR NONE OF
THAT IGNORANT STUFF.
WE ARE TALKING WHITE PEOPLE OWE US INDIVIDUALLY MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS IN REPARATIONS.
THANK YOU.
09:18:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:18:58AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I SAY GOOD MORNING.
09:19:18AM >> GOOD MORNING.
09:19:20AM >> MY NAME IS PASTOR WILLIAMS, PARADISE MISSIONARY BAPTIST
CHURCH, 1112 EAST SCOTT STREET.
AND I AM GRATEFUL TO GOD TO BE HERE TO SEE ANOTHER DAY.
I WANT TO READ SOME SCRIPTURE TO YOU ALL, BUT I KNOW YOU
DON'T WANT TO HEAR THEM.
BUT I -- FOR GOOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY
BEGOTTEN, WHO SHALL BELIEVE IN HIM SHALL NOT PERISH, BUT
HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE.
I JUST THANK GOD FOR THIS DAY.
AND IT IS A BLESSING FOR ALL OF US.
AND NOT JUST ME BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST, BUT FOR
ALL OF US.
YOU KNOW, I WAS LISTENING TO THE TV THE OTHER NIGHT, AND
UKRAINE BEGGING FOR US TO HELP THEM.
AND WE ARE TELLING THEM THAT WE ARE GOING TO SEND $66
MILLION.
THEY DON'T NEED NO MONEY TO FIGHT.
THEY NEED SOME BODIES.
COME OVER THERE AND HELP THEM OUT.
BUT WE SIT BACK LIKE A WELL -- WELL, IT AIN'T KILLING ME.
THAT IS THE WAY IT OUGHT TO BE?
NO, WE NEED TO GO AND DEFEND THOSE PEOPLE AND PEOPLE DON'T
HAVE NO WEAPONS TO FIGHT WITH.
AND YET WE SIT BACK HERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE DONE DID.
WE AIN'T DID NOTHING.
WE GOT THE NAVY.
WE GOT THE ARMY.
WE GOT THE AIR FORCE.
WE GOT THE NATIONAL GUARD.
AND WON'T SEND NOBODY OVER THERE TO HELP THEM PEOPLE OUT.
THAT THE WAY YOU TREAT US HERE IN TAMPA ANYWAY, BLACK
PEOPLE.
YOU DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING TO HELP US OUT EITHER.
BUT WE ARE PRAYING TO ALMIGHTY GOD THAT GOD WILL INTERVENE
AND DO WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO.
AND WHATEVER HE NEEDS TO DO, HE GOT TO DO IT.
EXPECT NOBODY TELL HIM HE CAN'T DO IT.
HE DO IT WHEN HE GETS READY.
AND WE MUST PRAISE HIM AND GLORIFY HIM AT ALL TIMES.
I KNOW PEOPLE DON'T LIKE ME BECAUSE I'M A BELIEVER IN JESUS
CHRIST, BUT IT MAKES ME NO DIFFERENT.
I AM GOING TO BE A BELIEVER MORE SO NOW THAN I EVER HAVE
BEEN IN MY WHOLE LIFE.
I KNOW I AM NOT WHAT GOD WANTS ME TO BE, BUT I AM TRYING TO
GET THERE.
AND I THANK GOD FOR MY LIFE.
TO BE ABLE ONE DAY TO GET ANOTHER YEAR OLDER.
I PRAISE HIM AND GLARE PHI HIM EVERYWHERE I GO.
I HAD A LETTER I WANT TO RUN BY -- BRING UP HERE.
YOU WILL HAVE A MEETING NEXT WEEK, I WILL MAKE SURE I HAVE
THAT WITH ME.
TO PRAY AND LET PEOPLE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE ALL ABOUT.
WE ARE NOT ABOUT PEOPLE OF COLOR.
WE ARE ABOUT PEOPLE -- WHAT PEOPLE BELIEVE.
AND THAT IS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT.
AND I BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST TO THE FULLNESS OF MY HEART,
WHETHER YOU THINK SO OR NOT.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT?
WE GOT TO LEARN TO RESPECT EACH OTHER.
REGARDLESS OF WHAT COLOR THEY IS.
IN JESUS'S HOLY NAME.
AMEN.
09:22:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:22:26AM >> I KNOW THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT.
HOW ARE YOU DOING?
ARE YOU GOOD?
I AM GOOD, YEAH, I'M GLAD TO SEE YOU.
09:22:36AM >> GLAD TO SEE YOU TOO.
09:22:37AM >> GOD BLESS YOU.
09:22:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE IN CHAMBERS THAT WISHES
TO SPEAK TO PUBLIC COMMENT?
09:22:46AM >> WHAT DID HE SAY?
09:22:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I ASKED IF ANYBODY ELSE IN CHAMBERS THAT
WANTED TO SPEAK AT PUBLIC COMMENT.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ON LINE?
SORRY, I DON'T HAVE ANY NAMES --
09:23:06AM >>CLERK:
MR. RANDOLPH?
MR. RANDOLPH?
PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND SPEAK.
09:23:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MICHAEL RANDOLPH, ARE YOU THERE?
09:23:16AM >> I'M HERE.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH WITH THE WEST TAMPA COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
WHAT IS UNIQUE ABOUT TODAY IS THAT TODAY I WILL BE SPEAKING
IN THIS MEETING AND DURING THIS EVENING'S MEETING.
THE FOCUS I WILL BE TALKING ABOUT IS THE BENEFIT AGREEMENT.
WE GOT -- GOING TO BE ONE OF THE FIRST OF A KIND IN THE
NATION.
AND BY THE COMMUNITY TO SIT AT THE TABLE TO CREATE ITS OWN
BILL.
FOUR KEY COMPONENTS TO THIS THAT I WILL TALK ABOUT TODAY.
I WILL TALK ABOUT THE NUMBERS.
THE FIRST KEY COMPONENT IS THAT IT REDUCES GENTRIFICATION
INTENTIONALLY.
THE OTHER THING IT DOES IS REDUCE CRIME BY PROVIDING
OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE HOP ARE PART OF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE
SYSTEM.
IT CREATES GENERATIONAL WEALTH AND IT PROVIDES PEOPLE WITH
AN OPPORTUNITY TO START THEIR OWN BUSINESS.
THAT ADDS SUPPLEMENTAL INCOME AND FULL-TIME INCOME.
AND FINALLY REDUCES THE TECHNOLOGICAL GAP IN THE COMMUNITY.
AS YOU KNOW, 45% OF RESIDENTS IN WEST TAMPA LIVE BELOW THE
POVERTY LEVEL.
THE NAME THEY GO TO BED WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT THEY WILL
BE DISPLACED BY THE NEW DEVELOPMENT GOING ON.
OUR PROGRAM INTENTIONALLY EMBODIED DESIGN TO REDUCE
GENTRIFICATION.
THINK OF THE MOTHER WORKING FOR YEARS.
THREE KIDS.
PAYING RENT.
AND NOW THE RENT IS GOING UP, SHE CAN'T AFFORD IT.
OUR PROGRAM PROVIDES SUPPLEMENTAL INCOME FOR HER TO BE ABLE
TO DO IT.
ALSO FOCUSES ON THOSE WITH CRIMINAL RECORDS, THE DISABLED,
SENIOR CITIZENS, AND AT-RISK YOUTH.
I AM HAPPY TO BE PART OF THE TEAM THAT YOU WILL BE MEETING
TONIGHT TO SAY THAT WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE IS SO SHOW THAT
WE CAN REDUCE GENTRIFICATION AND HAVE DEVELOPMENT AT THE
SAME TIME.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:25:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. RANDOLPH.
AT THIS TIME, WE WILL HAVE THE AGENDA REVIEW.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
THIS IS YOURS.
09:25:30AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WHY IT IS.
09:25:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
STILL HEARING THIS.
09:25:33AM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY.
09:25:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:25:36AM >>LUIS VIERA:
FUNNY BECAUSE WE OFTEN SAY ON CITY COUNCIL
STAFF REPORTS THAT SHOULD BE WORKSHOPS.
I HAVE TWO WORKSHOPS THAT PROBABLY SHOULD BE STAFF REPORTS.
I DON'T ANTICIPATE THESE GOING VERY LONG FOR PURPOSE OF
WORKFORCES.
JUST WANTED TO NOTE THE IRONY.
YES, SIR.
09:25:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ITEM NUMBER 2.
WILL BHIDE ASKED TO CONTINUE UNTIL APRIL 22.
09:26:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS FROM COUNCILMAN
VIERA.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR.
ANY OBJECTIONS?
MOTION CARRIES.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, WE WILL GO FORWARD WITH IT.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:26:24AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
09:26:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I BELIEVE THAT CLEARS UP OUR AGENDA REVIEW.
MR. SHELBY.
09:26:29AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
A REMINDER AND IT APPEARS ON YOUR AGENDA AT 11:00, WE ARE --
THE ADMINISTERING IS GOING TO BE -- AND I WILL BE REQUESTING
A HARD STOP FOR A CLOSED SESSION.
AS IT IS LISTED ON THE AGENDA AND WE WILL DISCUSS THAT AT
THE TIME.
IF FOR WHATEVER REASON COUNCIL IS DONE WITH THIS AGENDA, I
WOULD ASK THAT YOU TAKE A RECESS UNTIL 11:00 AND RECONVENE
HERE TO GO ANNOUNCE -- TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION.
BUT IF YOU CAN SEE IN FRONT OF YOU THAT EACH OF THE
COUNCILMEMBERS ARE INCLUDED.
SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU REMAIN FOR THAT IF YOU PLEASE DO FOR
THE DISCUSSION AND WHEN WE GO INTO CLOSED SESSION, WHAT YOU
DO THEN IS YOU WOULD GO UP TO THE LOCATION OF IT, WE WOULD
BE ON THE -- ON THE 8th FLOOR OF OLD CITY HALL IN THE
CONFERENCE ROOM.
AND WE GO IMMEDIATELY INTO THE CLOSED SESSION AND
RETURN BACK HERE AND RECONVENE TO CLOSE OUT THAT MEETING.
THANK YOU.
09:27:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
FIRST AGENDA ITEM, FILE NUMBER CM-22-75606.
09:27:39AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MAY I SAY SOMETHING, MR. CHAIR?
09:27:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
09:27:58AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING.
YOU ARE SUCH A WONDERFUL ASSET TO OUR CITY WITH THE MANY
HATS YOU WEAR WITHIN THE DISABILITY COMMUNITY.
WE ARE ALWAYS TOGETHER ON THINGS AND YOU DO A GREAT JOB.
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
THIS -- WE HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
THE REASON WE BROUGHT THIS UP IS THAT THE TAMPA BAY AREA HAS
THE THIRD HIGHEST CONCENTRATION OF PEOPLE WHO ARE DEAF OR
HARD OF HEARING WITHIN OUR UNITED STATES.
SO I WANTED TO SEE WHAT, IF ANY, CITY SERVICES COULD BE
IMPROVED ON THIS.
IT WAS REQUESTED TO DO THIS BY OUR FRIEND MR. DC GOUTOUFAS
WHO IS A NICE GENTLEMAN AND WHAT NOT AND I WANTED TO THANK
YOU FOR YOUR WORK AND YOUR DILIGENT EFFORT.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU.
09:28:42AM >> THANK YOU.
I ALSO WANT TO THANK COUNCIL FOR ALL OF THEIR SUPPORT FOR
ACCESS OF PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES IN OUR COMMUNITY.
I KNOW THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS FEEL THE SUPPORT DAILY.
THEY APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR LEADERSHIP AND ESPECIALLY
COUNCILMAN VIERA'S LEADERSHIP IN THE COMMUNITY.
I HEAR FROM HE CANNILY FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS OF THE
GRATITUDE THEY HAVE FOR EACH OF YOU FOR THEIR ACKNOWLEDGMENT
OF ACCESS OF PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES AND THE IMPORTANCE OF
IT.
SO I WANTED TO FIRST SHARE -- I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY
TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK ABOUT HOW THE CITY IS SERVING AND MAKING
SURE THAT PERSON WHO HAVE HEARING DISABILITIES WHO ARE DEAF
AND HARD OF HEARING HAVE ACCESS TO OUR CITY SERVICES.
SO ONE OF THE MAJOR REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE AMERICANS WITH
DISABILITIES ACT THAT WE HAVE AN ADA NOTICE.
THIS PROVIDES INDIVIDUALS WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO REQUEST
ACCOMMODATIONS AS THEY NEED IT.
SO THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS AN ADA STATEMENT THAT SHOULD BE
PLACED ON ALL OF OUR MEETING NOTIFICATIONS, PUBLIC EVENT
NOTIFICATIONS SO PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES HAVE THE ABILITY
TO REQUEST ACCOMMODATIONS IF THEY NEED IT.
FOR EXAMPLE, THOSE DEAF AND HARD OF HEARING AMERICAN SIGN
LANGUAGE OR CAPTIONING SERVICES.
SO THERE IS A MECHANIC FOR THEM TO REQUEST IT.
ALSO, TOO, WITH EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATION, WE DO HAVE
CONTRACTORS AVAILABLE FOR AMERICAN SIGN LANGUAGE
INTERPRETING SERVICES THAT ARE IN PLACE.
AND ALSO HAVE AGENCIES THAT PROVIDE THE CAPTIONING SERVICES.
YOU WILL NOTICE OUR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS ARE ALWAYS
CAPTIONED WITH THANKS TO TNI TO ARRANGE THOSE.
THE CITY OF TAMPA RECEIVE ACCOLADES OF OUR EFFORTS REGARDING
EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS AND DISASTER PREPAREDNESS OF
COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO ARE DEAF WHO USE AMERICAN SIGN
LANGUAGE ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND THE MESSAGES THAT OUR EMERGENCY
MANAGEMENT TEAM AND MAYOR CASTOR'S GIVE.
I AM GRATEFUL FOR OUR COMMUNICATIONS AND MARKETING TEAM THEY
ALLOW ME TO BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE AMERICAN SIGN LANGUAGE
INTERPRETING.
I HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY, I OFTEN HEAR THIS IS NOT A COMMON
-- A COMMON SERVICE THAT IS PROVIDED.
AND MANY INDIVIDUALS IN OTHER LOCATIONS OFTEN FEEL AT A
DISADVANTAGE BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT READILY UNDERSTANDING WHAT
IS HAPPENING DURING THOSE EMERGENCY EVENTS.
SO THEY ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR OUR CITY EFFORTS IN THAT WAY.
SOME OF OUR BEST PRACTICES THAT WE DO IS WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN
ADVISORY COUNCIL WITH THE TAMPA MAYOR'S ALLIANCE OF PERSONS
WITH DISABILITIES AND COMPRISED OF INDIVIDUALS WITH PEOPLE
WITH VARYING DISABILITIES AND ACTIVELY PARTICIPATE IN THE
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY ALLIANCE OF CITIZENS WITH DISABILITIES.
BOTH GROUPS COMPRISED OF PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES, LOCAL
AGENCY PROVIDERS.
I CONTINUOUSLY SEEK FEEDBACK FROM THEM OF HOW TO IMPROVE OUR
SERVICES AND RECENTLY OUTREACHED TO SEVERAL COMMUNITY
MEMBERS, AS WELL AS USF WHO ARE DEAF AND HARD OF HEARING
ABOUT A PROJECT WITH THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT IN REGARDS
TO COMMUNICATION CARDS.
I AM HOPING THAT THE COMMUNICATION CARDS MIGHT BE ABLE TO
FACILITATE COMMUNICATION WITH INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE DEAF AND
HARD OF HEARING.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, TPD AND FIRE RESCUE CURRENTLY HAVE IN
PLACE THE SPECIAL NEEDS REGISTRY.
YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IN TWO YEARS AGO.
IT WAS LAUNCHED LAST YEAR.
I LOSE TRACK OF MY TIME.
WE ALSO -- THEY ALSO INITIATED A PROGRAM WHERE COMMUNITY
MEMBERS CAN RECEIVE STICKERS THAT THEY CAN PLACE EITHER ON
THEIR FRONT FACING WINDOW OR INSIDE THEIR HOME OR ON THEIR
VEHICLE TO ALERT FIRST RESPONDERS TO KNOW THEY MAY HAVE A
DISABILITY.
FORECAST, A PERSON DEAF AND HARD OF HEARING, AN INDIVIDUAL
WITH ALZHEIMER'S OR DEMENTIA, PEOPLE AUTISTIC WHO HAVE
SPECIAL NEED OR INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE DIABETIC.
THOSE CAN BE THE NOTIFICATIONS TO OUR FIRST RESPONDERS TO
LET THEM KNOW THERE IS AN INDIVIDUAL WHO EITHER IS IN THE
VEHICLE OR RECEDES IN THE HOME THAT MIGHT HAVE SOME
COMMUNICATION LIMITATIONS AND BEING ABLE TO INTERACT WITH
THE FIRST RESPONDERS.
AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
09:32:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:32:42AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE GREAT WORK THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA IS
DOING, THIS IS MORE LIKE A STAFF REPORT.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
LET ME ASK YOU, WITH REGARD TO FIRST RESPONDERS WITH POLICE
AND FIRE, DO YOU THINK THAT -- IS THERE MAYBE ROOM FOR MORE
TRAINING WHENEVER IT COMES TO MAYBE IDENTIFYING PEOPLE?
09:33:04AM >> YES.
SO I -- I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT NEW FIRE RESCUE RECRUITS
ACTUALLY RECEIVE ADA TRAINING.
HE WAS OUT THERE WITH THE NEW FIRE RESCUE RECRUITS.
HE BELIEVE THAT NEW TPD EMPLOYEES WILL ALSO HAVE AN ADA
TRAINING THEY GO THROUGH.
A VIRTUAL TRAINING THAT THEY DO THAT IS SELF-PACED.
AND CITY STAFF IN GENERAL -- ALL NEW CITY STAFF MEMBERS, I
DO AN ADA TRAINING WITH THEM.
COVERS NOT ONLY INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE DEAF AND HARD OF HEARING
BUT SERVING OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS WITH A VARIETY OF
DIFFERENT TYPES OF DISABILITIES EQUIPPED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE
RESPONDING RESPECTFULLY AND EFFECTIVELY DURING THOSE IT
INTERSECTIONS.
09:33:48AM >>LUIS VIERA:
GREAT.
SEEMS TO ME FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN THAT THE BUCKHORN
ADMINISTRATION'S AUTISM SENSORY FRIENDLY -- TAMPA FRIENDLY
AUTISM PROGRAM HAS A TRICKLE-DOWN EFFECT ON OTHER AREAS OF
THE CITY WITH DISABILITIES BEING MORE COGNIZANT AND THIS
APPEARS TO BE ONE OF THEM WHICH IS A WONDERFUL THING.
IT IS FUNNY AND I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
09:34:11AM >> THANK YOU.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE.
09:34:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:34:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THIS AS WELL.
I THINK THIS IS ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS.
GOOD TO SEE THAT WE ARE ALWAYS CONTINUING TO FIND ROOM FOR
IMPROVEMENT AND WAYS TO EXPAND.
AND SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE DOING A WONDERFUL JOB.
MY ONLY QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE WHY YOU ARE PLANS IN THE
FUTURE?
WHAT ARE WE DOING TO EITHER REACH OUT TO MORE OR OTHER
INITIATIVES THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO FORWARD WITH THAT WE,
AS A COUNCIL, CAN HELP?
09:34:42AM >> EXCELLENT.
AND THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN.
TYPICALLY THE PLANS ALWAYS ARE TO CONTINUE TO SELF-EVALUATE.
TO MAKE SURE WE ARE LOOKING THE ALL OF OUR PROCESSES.
I TRY TO EMBED MYSELF WITH REGARD TO ANY NEW PROJECTS THAT
ARE HAPPENING WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA.
POSE QUESTION OF HOW ACCESS OF DISABILITIES ARE ACTUALLY
BEING CONSIDERED.
I HAVE A WONDERFUL JOB BECAUSE ALL OF OUR CITY COLLEAGUES
ARE VERY RECEPTIVE TO -- WHEN I AM POSING THE QUESTIONS AND
USUALLY HAVE -- A SOLUTION FOCUS APPROACH TO THE EFFORTS
THAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO.
I ALWAYS THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO HEAR FROM THE
COMMUNITY.
SO I CONTINUE TO INVOLVE MYSELF AND ACTUAL MEETINGS WITHIN
THE COMMUNITY, OUTREACHING TO VARIOUS COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
ONE AREA I WOULD LIKE TO DO AND I ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH
COUNCILMAN VIERA ABOUT THIS.
WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE A PERSON ON THE MAYOR'S ALLIANCE OF
PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES THAT HAS -- WHO IS EITHER DEAF OR
HARD OF HEARING.
WHEN WE ORGINALLY DID OUTREACH, WE DID TRY TO FOCUS
AND POINT THE APPLICATION PROCESS TO SEVERAL COMMUNITY
MEMBERS TO MAKE SURE WE DO THE RECRUITMENT, BUT SOME OF THE
INDIVIDUALS WE HAD TARGETED ACTUALLY HAD A LOT OF
COMMITMENTS PROFESSIONALLY WITH THEIR WORK AND WERE FINDING
IT DIFFICULT TO EXTEND THEMSELVES FOR ANOTHER COMMITTEE.
BUT I CERTAINLY WILL -- THAT IS ONE OF THE GOALS WHEN WE DO
THE NEXT APPLICATION, TO MAKE SURE WE ARE LOOKING AT WHO IS
CURRENTLY SERVING AND TRYING TO SEE WHO IS NOT REPRESENTED
ON THE MAYOR'S ALLIANCE OR A DISABILITY CATEGORY THAT IS NOT
REPRESENTED.
09:36:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I LOVE TO SEE THAT WE ARE CONTINUING TO WORK TO INCLUDE
EVERYONE.
AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALL THE WORK YOU ARE DOING.
IT IS WONDERFUL TO HEAR HOW THE STAFF IS SO RESPONSIVE.
AND, AGAIN, LIKE MR. VIERA SAID, ANYTHING WE CAN TO DO HELP.
09:36:35AM >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
09:36:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:36:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY IS ALWAYS THINKING OF
BEING INCLUSIVE AND WELCOMING TO EVERYONE.
AND I THINK YOU ARE DOING THAT.
YOU, YOUR TEAM, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WE RECRUIT, AND WE KEEP
THE FOCUS ON THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND AS THE CITY
CONTINUES TO GROW.
I MEAN, WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE.
AND, AGAIN, WE WANT THEM TO FEEL WELCOMED HERE.
SO THANK YOU.
09:36:59AM >> THANK YOU.
09:37:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
09:37:04AM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY.
09:37:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:37:07AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THE FACT THIS IS A SMALL SHORT WORKSHOP SHOWS
WHAT A GREAT JOB YOU ARE DOING.
I MEAN THAT.
YOU HAVE MY REGARDS.
09:37:15AM >> THANK YOU.
09:37:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:37:17AM >> THANK YOU.
09:37:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NEXT AGENDA ITEM CM 22-78305.
I AM SORRY, ANYBODY IN CHAMBERS WE SHALL TO SPEAK TO AGENDA
ITEM NUMBER 1?
SEEING NONE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3, FILE NUMBER CM 22-78305.
09:37:39AM >> GOOD MORNING, JUSTIN VASKE, SENIOR ATTORNEY.
WITH REGARDS TO ITEM 3 ON THE AGENDA.
AS A REMINDER, LEGAL STAFF ASKED US TO RESEARCH THE
POSSIBILITY OF AN ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL CHARTER
AMENDMENT TO BE PATTERNED AFTER THE 27th WHERE PAY INCREASES
DO NOT TAKE EFFECT UNTIL AFTER AN ELECTION.
IN MY RESEARCH, I FOUND THAT THIS HAS BEEN DONE BY CITY
COUNCIL RESOLUTION OPPOSED TO A CHARTER AMENDMENT OR
AN ORDINANCE.
FOR EXAMPLE, ON MAY 26, 2005, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A
RESOLUTION THAT SET THE SALARY OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND
AUTHORIZED ANNUAL INCREASES IN SALARY EQUAL TO THE
ACROSS-THE-BOARD SALARY INCREASES PROVIDED TO MANAGERIAL
EMPLOYEES AND THEN HAD A CAP AT 3%.
IN TERMS OF THIS RESOLUTION FROM 2005, THE EFFECTIVE DATE
WAS TWO YEARS LATER.
IT WAS APRIL 1, 2002.
WE HAVE DONE THIS HISTORICALLY BY RESOLUTION SO IN SHORT, IF
YOU WISH TO SET THE SALARY OF IF COUNCILMEMBERS BY THE NEXT
CITY COUNCIL.
THAT CAN BE DONE BY RESOLUTION.
THAT IS ALL.
09:38:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:38:56AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
JUST TO BE CLEAR IN TERMS OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.
I ORIGINALLY WANTED A CHARTER AMENDMENT FOR IT.
AND I FOUND OUT WE COULD DO IT BY ORDINANCE, RIGHT.
MY INTENT WAS, REGARDLESS WHATEVER CITY COUNCIL DOES WITH
PAY IN THE FUTURE, IT TAKES EFFECT AFTER THE ELECTION, JUST
LIKE THE 27th AMENDMENT OF THE RESOLUTION THAT CONGRESS
RAISES SALARY OUTSIDE OF COST-OF-LIVING ADJUSTMENT BECAUSE
THAT IS NOT AN INFLATION.
POST-INFLATION.
PREINFLATION ADJUSTMENT.
THAT IT TAKES PLACE AFTER AN ELECTION.
THAT'S IT.
SO, AGAIN, THIS IS A STAFF REPORT.
THIS IS NOT REALLY SOMETHING FOR A WORKSHOP, BUT I -- I -- I
THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS GOOD GOVERNMENT, WHICH IS --
IF CITY COUNCIL RAISES ITS SALARY OUTSIDE OF THE 3%
INFLATION THAT IT SHOULD COME -- SHOULD TAKE EFFECT AFTER AN
ELECTION JUST LIKE WE HAVE FOR CONGRESS.
I THINK IT IS SIMPLE.
I THINK IT IS COMMON SENSE.
I THINK IT IS GOOD GOVERNMENT AND TRANSPARENT.
AND THAT'S IT.
09:39:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:39:59AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
IF I REMEMBER THE WHOLE THING -- AND I'M HERE GOING BY
MEMORY.
I DON'T HAVE ANY PAPERS IN FRONT OF ME HOW IT STARTED.
BUT IT WAS BASED ON MIAMI, ST. PETERSBURG AND ORLANDO.
AND IF I RECALL, ONE WAS 58.
ONE WAS 54.
WE WERE AT 53 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS CAME FROM.
I DON'T KNOW -- TIME NOT AGAINST RAISES.
BUT I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT A 42% RAISE.
THAT IS WHAT IT AMOUNT TO, JUST ABOUT, FROM $53,000 TO
$72,000.
I CERTAINLY DIDN'T DO THAT.
IF YOU ASK ANYONE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THEN WHO HAS BEEN
IN AN EMPLOYEE ANYWHERE, I DON'T THINK ANYONE HAS GOTTEN A
42% RAISE INCREASE.
IF YOU ASK ANY EMPLOYER WHEN THEY WERE WORKING DID THEY GET
A 42% INCREASE.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT JUST -- I DON'T SIT WELL WITH.
I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THE SAME THING THAT HAPPENS TO THE
GENERAL EMPLOYEES.
WE ARE NO BETTER OR NO WORSE THAN ANYONE.
WE ARE FORTUNATE IN HUFF TO LEAD THE CITY AND MAKE IT BETTER
AT TIMES THAN SOMEONE ELSE DID BEFORE US.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS I AM LOOKING AT.
ANOTHER QUESTION WHICH I AM GOING TO SEE HOW MUCH I CAN
FIND.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS CAME FROM.
I DON'T WANT FINGER POINTING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION OR
COUNCIL, BUT COUNCIL FROM THE ADMINISTRATION OR COMBINATION
OF BOTH, BUT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT IF YOU CAN, WHO
STARTED THIS?
09:41:25AM >> ME!
ME!
09:41:27AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I UNDERSTAND ME.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING ME.
BUT THE 72% -- ME HAD TO HAVE SOMEBODY BRING IT TO SOMEBODY
ELSE.
I WANT TO KNOW WHERE THAT TRAIL LEADS TO.
09:41:39AM >> THE SCOPE OF MY RESEARCH WAS JUST FOR THE -- THE MOTION
HERE.
SO -- I DON'T HAVE ANY THOSE ANSWERS.
09:41:46AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
09:41:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:41:51AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WANT TO BE CLEAR.
THAT HAS NO RELEVANCY WHATSOEVER TO PROPOSED SALARY
INCREASES, ETC., ETC.
THIS IS JUST FOR SAYING IN THE FUTURE WHENEVER CITY COUNCIL
RAISED ITS SALARY OUTSIDE OF INFLATION ADJUSTMENT THAT IT
TAKES PLACE AFTER THE ELECTION.
THAT'S IT.
AGAIN, COUNCILMEMBERS CAN SPEAK WHATEVER THEY WANT TO, GOD
BLESS THEM.
ETC.
BUT MY INTENT IT FOR THIS IS VERY NARROWLY TAILORED AND WHAT
NOT TO THIS ISSUE.
AND THANK YOU.
09:42:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE FROM COUNCIL?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:42:24AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, THIS -- THIS DISCUSSION, AS MY
COLLEAGUE JUST SAID, WAS JUST ABOUT MAKING SURE ANY RAISE
WOULD COME AFTER AN ELECTION, BUT ON THE IDEA OF RAISES,
CLEARLY THE ADMINISTRATION DURING THE BUDGET HEARING
PROPOSED PUBLICLY THAT CITY COUNCIL GET A RAISE.
NOT SOMETHING PROPOSED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AFTER THE FACT, THEY SAID THAT DINGFELDER HAD REQUESTED IT,
BUT HE HAD BEEN GONE FROM CITY COUNCIL FOR MONTHS AND NOT A
GOOD EXCUSE.
AND -- WE FOUND OUT LATER IT WAS A SET-UP BECAUSE IT WAS IN
MAILERS.
I HAD THREE -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD IT.
BUT I HAD THREE MAILERS AGAINST ME TALKING ABOUT IT.
AGAIN TO WHOEVER HAD THIS IDEA, YOU FAILED BECAUSE I WON BY
20%.
AND THE PUBLIC DIDN'T CARE.
SO THE PUBLIC -- THE PUBLIC WANTS GOOD GOVERNMENT.
TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT.
THEY WANT BALANCE OF POWERS.
YOU KNOW, I HAD SOMEONE WORTH $300 MILLION RUN AGAINST ME.
AND MOST PROFESSIONALS CANNOT GIVE UP THEIR JOBS, GIVE UP
THEIR DAY JOBS.
A FULL-TIME JOB.
MOST PEOPLE EXPECT GIVE UP THEIR DAY JOB TO WORK IN AN
OFFICE LIKE THIS.
I AM NOT GOING TO RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL IN FOUR YEARS.
I ALREADY SAID THAT.
I WANT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS TO HAVE SOME KIND OF
STRUCTURE THAT WILL PAY CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS A BETTER LIVING
WAGE IN THE FUTURE.
THERE NEEDS TO BE AN APPARATUS.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE INCREASE OR
ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT A CERTAIN APPARATUS.
MOST OF THE OTHER CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THE STATE ARE PAID
TOO LITTLE AS WELL.
I LIVED IN SINGAPORE FIVE YEARS WHERE THEY BELIEVE IN
FIGHTING AGAINST CORRUPTION PAYING PEOPLE WELL.
AND ALSO, TO OBVIOUSLY IF THE ADMINISTRATION WORKED WITH
CAMPAIGN PEOPLE TO SEND OUT THREE MAILERS AGAINST ME AND IT
HAD NO IMPACT, IT IS NOT A POLITICAL ISSUE.
IT CREATES NOISE.
POLITICAL NOISE.
BUT NOT AN ISSUE.
AND I AGREE WE SHOULDN'T GIVE OURSELVES RAISES, BUT WE ARE
NOT GOING TO GET THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST PEOPLE TO RUN FOR
CITY COUNCIL IN THE FUTURE IF WE DON'T PAY A DECENT WAGE AND
NOT FAIR THAT THE MAY I DON'T REMEMBER GETS PAID A HUGE
AMOUNT OF MONEY.
IF WE EVER PASS SOMETHING, NOT GOING TO IMPACT ME PAUSE I
WON'T BE ON CITY COUNCIL IN FOUR YEARS, BUT WE NEED TO DO
SOMETHING ABOUT THIS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE GOOD GOVERNANCE IN
THE FUTURE.
NOBODY WILL GIVE UP THEIR BUSINESS OR HIGH PAYING JOB TO
EARN $53,000.
TWO OTHER THINGS RELATED TO THAT.
WHAT PEOPLE MAY NOT REALIZE IS THAT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS GET
INVITED TO EVENTS ALL THE TIME.
WE HAVE A CHOICE WE CAN EITHER FILE AN ETHICS FORM SAYING WE
ACCEPTED A BIG GIFT OR PAY THEM BACK.
I PAY PEOPLE BACK.
SO IF SOMEBODY OFFERS ME A TICKET IF IT IS $300 OR WHATEVER,
I PAY THEM BACK.
I DON'T LET PEOPLE GIVE ME GIFTS ABOVE $100.
IF EARNING $A 53,000 A YEAR, YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO DO THAT.
I AM ASKING THE PUBLIC, WOULD YOU RATHER WHY YOU ARE CITY
COUNCIL REIMBURSE FOR A TICKET OR GET A FREE TICKET IF THEY
DISCLOSE IT.
MY PROPOSAL THAT THEY GET PAID ENOUGH SO THEY CAN AFFORD TO
PAY FOR THE TICKET ITSELF.
AND THE OTHER THEY THINK THAT -- AND WE WILL DISCUSS IT -- I
SPENT $25,000 ON LEGAL FEES NOT DEFENDING MYSELF, BUT
ANSWERING SUBPOENAS AND FRIVOLOUS LAWSUITS REGARDING OTHER
PEOPLE.
AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE STILL IS DISPUTING SOME OF
THE -- SOME OF THE PAYMENTS ON THAT.
AND WE NEED TO -- YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT IF -- IF I GET
PAID $53,000 AND SPENT $25,000 IN LEGAL FEES, HALF -- BEFORE
TAXES, BY THE WAY, MORE THAN HALF OF MY AFTER-TAX SALARY
WENT TO LEGAL FEES ANSWERS OTHER PEOPLE'S SUBPOENAS.
THIS IS A VERY DANGEROUS VOLATILE JOB WITH ALL THE NASTY,
DIRTY POLITICS GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
THE POLITICS HAVE GOTTEN WORSE IN THE LAST FEW DAYS THAN I
EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE.
THIS IS -- THIS IS SERIOUS THIRD-WORLD STUFF GOING ON IN
TAMPA RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHO IS BEHIND IT.
HOPEFULLY HAVE INVESTIGATIVE POWERS TO FIGURE IT OUT AT SOME
POINT.
CONSIDERING WHAT IS GOING ON.
A DANGEROUS POSITION.
YOU EITHER HAVE A CHOICE.
SOMEONE WORTH MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WHO MAY NOT
REPRESENT YOUR INTEREST, OR GET SOMEBODY EARNING SO LITTLE
THEY WILL TAKE GIFTS FROM PEOPLE.
AND THEY WILL BE VULNERABLE TO PRESSURE OR THREAT OF A
LAWSUIT.
IF YOU ARE -- IF YOU ARE THREATENED BY A LAWSUIT, THE -- AND
YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY TO DEFEND WHY YOURSELF, THE ONLY
THING YOU CAN DO IS GIVE IN AND BE SWAYED BY PEOPLE
THREATENING YOU.
WE NEED PEOPLE TO STAND UP TO THREATS AND PAY THEMSELVES AND
PEOPLE WHO WON'T TAKE GIFTS.
I AM NOT PROPOSING ANYTHING RIGHT NOW, BUT WE NEED A
STRUCTURE TO AFFECT THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL IN FOUR YEARS THAT
WILL PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF CITY COUNCIL SO THAT WE HAVE
INDEPENDENCE AND A BALANCE OF POWERS IN THE FUTURE.
THANK YOU.
09:47:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:47:23AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IN ALL FAIRNESS, AND I RESPECT EVERYBODY ON
THE COUNCIL, I MEAN, BUT EVERYBODY CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT
THE TAPES WHEN IT ALL CAME ABOUT.
THE CITIZENS CAME AND SPOCK ABOUT HOW WE WERE UNDERPAID.
NO COUNCILMEMBERS TALKING ABOUT WE WERE UNPAID.
THE CITIZENS TALKED ABOUT THAT.
AND AFTER THEY TALKED ABOUT IT SO MUCH, I BELIEVE MR.
DINGFELDER SAID HAVE MR. BENNETT LOOK INTO WHAT OTHER CITIES
MAKE.
THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED.
WHAT DO OTHER CITIES MAKE.
ALL OF A SUDDEN THE ADMINISTRATION CAME BACK AND NOW WE KNOW
IT WAS A SET-UP.
WHAT OTHER CITIES MAKE.
AND WE COME BACK THAT WE ARE UNDER -- UNDER THE RADAR.
SO HOW CAN WE BE A MAJOR CITY AND OTHER PEOPLE ARE MAKING
MORE MONEY THAN THE COUNCIL IS MAKING.
WHAT WHY UPSETS ME IS THIS.
YOU KNOW, WE -- WE, IN FACT, POLITICS SO MUCH IT HAS JUST
BEEN UNREAL THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE DOING SO PEOPLE WON'T
BE REELECTED.
THE THINGS PEOPLE SAY.
THE LAWSUITS.
THE INTIMIDATION TACTICS GOING ON.
JUST UNREAL.
AND YOU -- YOU CAN'T TRY TO BE A GOOD COUNCILMEMBER AND BE
DRIVING ALL OVER YOUR DISTRICT TRYING TO GO TO EVENTS.
GAS IS HIGH.
GAS IS HIGH.
PERSON WHO REALLY WANTS TO SERVE, BUT YOU -- YOU KNOW, YOU
BARELY MEET YOUR AMI LIKE ANY OTHER REGULAR SEASON, BUT YOU
DO THE TO GO TO EVENTS.
YOU HAVE TO DRIVE.
YOU GOT TO SPEND GAS MONEY.
MR. CARLSON TALKED ABOUT YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR THINGS
SOMETIMES IF YOU WANT TO REPORT.
A LOT OF THINGS THAT COME ALONG WITH THIS JOB.
AND FOR MANY, MANY PEOPLE WHO SAY A PART-TIME JOB.
THE CHARTER SAYS IT IS A PART-TIME JOB?
NOTHING IN THE CHARTER THAT SAYS IT IS A PART-TIME JOB.
BUT YOU ARE ASKED TO DO SO MUCH BUT GET SO LITTLE.
AND I JUST THINK THAT YOU HAVE TO STAY ABOVE THE RADAR AND
BE ABLE TO BE EQUAL TO EVERYBODY ELSE.
YOU CAN'T BE UNDER BECAUSE WE ARE TAMPA, BECAUSE WE DON'T
WANT TO, YOU KNOW, ELECTION HERE.
WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK -- NO, THE CITIZENS DIDN'T --
DIDN'T COMPLAIN AND COME HERE AND SAY YOU GUYS SHOULDN'T GET
A RAISE.
THEY DIDN'T SAY ANY OF THAT.
NONE OF THAT.
DIDN'T HEAR ANY OF THAT THE WHOLE TIME THAT WAS GOING ON.
NOT A MATTER -- WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, NOT A MATTER OF 42%.
THE MATTER OF BRINGING IT UP TO THE SAME LEVEL AS EVERYONE
-- THE OTHER CITIES.
BUT, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN OPINION.
THAT IS WHAT THIS COUNTRY IS MADE OF.
INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE THEIR OWN OPINION.
I JUST THINK THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO
SERVE, YOU WANT THE BEST PEOPLE TRYING TO SERVE, BUT YOU
DON'T WANT TO GO BROKE TRYING TO SERVE.
YOU DOESN'T TO GO PROBING TRYING TO SERVE.
I THINK -- IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE ECONOMY IS.
THINGS HAVE RISEN.
SO IF YOU ARE A COUNCILMAN WHO IS RENTING.
WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GET THE EXTRA MONEY FROM?
RENT IS GOING UP.
SO, I MEAN, WE WANT TO BE FAIR TO EVERYBODY, BUT I THINK WE
HAVE TO BE LOGICAL TO SAY, OKAY, WE WANT TO STAY EVEN WITH
EVERYBODY ELSE SO WE ARE NOT LOSING, YOU KNOW, OUR
LIVELIHOODS.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:50:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:50:48AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NOT TO EXPLORE ANYTHING ELSE BUT, AGAIN,
I DON'T KNOW OF ANY COUNCILMEMBERS IN ANY CITY THAT MAKES
$72,000.
MAYBE THERE IS, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T CHECKED.
BUT WHEN YOU SAY YOU COMPARE SOMETHING TO SOMETHING ELSE AND
THE HIGHEST ONE THAT I SAW WAS $58,000.
AND I FORGET WHAT IT WAS ST. PETE, ORLANDO OR MIAMI, ONE OF
THE THREE.
WHEN YOU DO THAT, THE $72,000, THAT $14,000 THAN THE HIGHEST
ONE IS EVEN GETTING PAID.
NOT ABOUT MONEY.
IT IS ABOUT SERVICE.
AND LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT ANOTHER THING.
I HEARD OF BUYING TICKETS HERE AND THERE.
WELL, GUESS WHAT, THAT IS ALSO WHAT THEY GIVE YOU EVERY
MONTH.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS IT, $250, $230, $260.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS BECAUSE I HAVE NEVER TAKEN IT.
EVERY FOUR YEARS, WHATEVER IT IN THAT MONEY, I TELL THE CITY
TO DONATE IT TO ANYONE THEY WANT, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
NOT IN MY NAME.
I LEAVE IT RIGHT WHERE IT IS AT.
SO NOT -- I'M NOT TRYING TO PAT MYSELF ON THE BACK.
I DON'T DO THAT, BUT I AM JUST TELLING YOU THE FACT.
I AM 28 YEARS OLD BACKWARDS.
I WORK SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
AND I'M HERE AS MUCH OR MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE.
AND IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, I WILL PUT CAMERAS IN THE
HALLWAY AND SHOW YOU WHAT IS HAPPENING.
I AM NOT CASTING ASPIRATIONS.
I AM NOT SAYING I COME TO WORK -- LET ME CLARIFY THAT.
A SEVEN DAYS A WEEK JOB FOR SEVEN MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR.
AGAIN I'M NOT BRAGGING ON MYSELF.
I AM TELLING YOU THE FACTS.
SOMEBODY STARTED THIS.
AND I AM GOING TO TRY TO EVEN IF OUT HOW IT CAME ABOUT.
AND I AM GOING TO WRITE THEM A LETTER.
THAT'S ALL.
THANK YOU.
09:52:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WILL CLOSE, BUT GO AHEAD.
09:52:35AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I MEAN, I WAS JUST GOING TO -- AGAIN, I WANT
TO BE VERY CLEAR.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY, VERY, VERY NARROWLY TAILORED
DOES NOT PRECLUDE A FUTURE CITY COUNCIL FROM HAVING A SALARY
INCREASE OF ANY KIND.
IT SAYS OUTSIDE OF INFLATION ADJUSTMENT, IF WE DO IN THE
FUTURA I OUR SALARY IT WILL GO TO NO EVERY CITY COUNCIL
BECAUSE WE SHOULDN'T DO THAT BEFORE OR TAKE THE BENEFIT.
JUST LIKE THE 27th AMENDMENT SAYS FOR CONGRESS, ETC.
THIS -- EVERYBODY WHO HAS SPOKEN HERE, I REALLY
RESPECT EVERYBODY'S OPINIONS AND EXPERIENCES ON THIS.
BUT A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED AND THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT IS VERY NARROWLY TAILORED.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION HOWEVER LONG YOU NEED FOR
ORDINANCE FORM FOR OUR CONSIDERATION.
THAT'S ALL.
09:53:33AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I MAY INQUIRE.
09:53:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
FLORIDA SHELBY.
09:53:37AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I BELIEVE MR. VASKE TALKED OF A RESOLUTION.
YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AN ORDINANCE.
09:53:44AM >>LUIS VIERA:
OH, OKAY.
09:53:45AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WANT TO BE CLEAR.
SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN REFRESH MY RECOLLECTION
BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID, THE RESOLUTION THAT COUNCIL DID IN
2005 --
09:53:56AM >> SETS THE SALARY AND HAS ANNUAL INCREASES.
09:53:59AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND AN ANNUAL INCREASES AND -- IT TURNS OUT
THAT I WAS THE ONE THAT DRAFTED THE COUNCIL'S MOTION IN
2005.
SO THAT REFRESHING MY RECOLLECTION.
WHAT WITH AS THE DIFFERENCE IN TIME FROM THAT POINT FROM THE
TIME THEY PASSED THAT RESOLUTION TO THE TIME OF THE
ELECTION?
09:54:16AM >> TWO YEARS.
09:54:17AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
TWO YEARS.
OKAY.
JUST A REMINDER WITH REGARD TO A RESOLUTION, A RESOLUTION
CAN BE -- IT CAN BE CHANGED HAVE HE EASILY BY ANOTHER
RESOLUTION WITHDRAWING -- YOU KNOW REPEALING IT OR
SUPERSEDING IT, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT.
ONE THING.
WITH REGARD TO THE ORDINANCE REARS TWO READINGS, PUBLIC
HEARING AND NORMALLY DONE BY RESOLUTION.
AND, AGAIN, A COUNCIL -- THE WAY IT WILL BE SET UP COULD
CHANGE ITS MIND JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT.
I SAID THIS BEFORE JUST WITH OTHER THINGS SO YOU ARE CLEAR.
IT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE IF THE PARTICULAR COUNCIL, WHEN
THIS RESOLUTION PASSES, IS COMMIT CANNING TO DOING THAT.
THAT COUNCIL'S CHOSE TO.
COUNCIL, WHEN THEY SET THAT, IT HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS SINCE
2005.
09:55:08AM >> YES.
09:55:10AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
COUNCIL'S PLEASURE WHETHER YOU WANT TO DO
IT BY RESOLUTION.
09:55:15AM >>LUIS VIERA:
SURE -- MAY I, SIR.
09:55:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:55:19AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I DON'T WANT THIS TO DISTURB ANYTHING WITH
RELATION TO INFLATION ADJUSTMENTS.
I AM TALKING ABOUT NONINFLATION ADJUSTMENTS SALARY
INCREASES.
AGAIN, VERY, VERY NARROWLY TAILORED THAT'S IT.
RESOLUTION ORDINANCE.
STAY 12 HAIL MEARS AND EIGHT OUR FATHERS.
WHATEVER IT IS WE NEED TO GET IT DONE.
THAT'S IT.
09:55:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:55:44AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO SAY FOR ANYBODY WATCHING, THE PAY
INCREASE THAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WAS DISCUSSING WAS NOT ONE
PRESENTED BY CITY COUNCIL OR SUGGESTED BY CITY COUNCIL,
PRESENTED BE THE CHIEF OF STAFF DURING THE BUDGET
PRESENTATION.
THE MAYOR WAS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE FOR THE ANNUAL BUDGET
PRESENTATION SO THE CITY'S CHIEF OF STAFF PRESENTED IT
APPEAR FOR THE ADMINISTRATION AND NOT CITY COUNCIL AND VOTED
ON THE BUDGET WHICH ORIGINALLY INCLUDED THAT.
THE -- SO THIS CITY COUNCIL ANYWAY DID NOT BRING UP OF THE
IDEA.
TO THE IDEA THAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA -- VIERA HAS ABOUT
MAKING SURE THAT A CITY COUNCIL CAN'T RAISE THEIR OWN
SALARIES.
I -- I THINK IT SHOULD BE -- YOU MENTIONED 27th OR WHATEVER
AMENDMENT.
TELLING SHOULD BE A CHARTER AMENDMENT.
AND I ALSO THINK THAT A CHARTER AMENDMENT SHOULD SET SOME
KIND OF APPARATUS.
I HAD PROPOSED IN THE DAY WHEN ALL MY PROPOSALS WERE
REJECTED.
ONE OF THEM WAS TO HAVE AN OUTSIDE THIRD PARTY COMMITTEE SET
UP TO ANALYZE THE MAYOR'S SALARY AND THE CITY COUNCIL'S
SALARY AND SET IT EVERY FIVE YEARS OR SO.
STILL WOULD HAVE TO BE VOTED ON BY CITY COUNCIL, I THINK,
BUT DEPEND ON HOW WE SET IT UP.
BUT NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF THIRD PARTY OBJECTIVE APPARATUS
SO NOT JUST ELECTED OFFICIALS INGRATIATING THEMSELVES.
BUT TO THE NARROW PART OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS NOT RAISING
THEIR OWN SALARIES AND ONLY RAISING IT FOR THE NEXT CITY
COUNCIL.
I THINK THAT SHOULD BE A CHARTER AMENDMENT.
A RESOLUTION OR ORDINANCE ARE TOO EASE EASY TO CHANGE.
THANK YOU.
09:57:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY.
09:57:32AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
ONE LAST QUESTION.
THAT ORDINANCE -- EXCUSE ME THAT RESOLUTION, AS I RECALL,
WAS FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE SALARY ADJUSTMENT AND HAD AN IF
HE CAN TESTIFY DATE OF PUTTING THAT -- THAT SALARY
ADJUSTMENT INTO PLACE.
09:57:46AM >> RIGHT, ONCE AGAIN SET A SALARY THAT WAS DIFFERENT THAN
PREVIOUSLY PUT IN PLACE THE SALARY INCREASES.
09:57:53AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SO I WANT TO KNOW, I GUESS, IF YOU GIVE
DIRECTION TO COME BACK, INCLUDE THE SALARY INCREASE LIKE THE
ONE IN 2005 WITH THE EFFECTIVE DATE UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION
AS THIS ONE DID OR YOU WANT TO CREATE A POLICY BY RESOLUTION
OR ORDINANCE THAT WILL REMAIN IN EFFECT?

09:58:12AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I MERELY -- I DO NOT WANT TO DISTURB THE 2005
RESOLUTION.
I MERELY WANT TO SAY IF CITY COUNCIL RAISES ITS SALARY AGAIN
BEYOND THAT 2005 RESOLUTION AUTHORITY THAT IT GOES EVERY
SINGLE YEAR THAT IT GOES TO THE NEXT COUNCIL.
THAT IS IT.
ES TODO.
THAT'S IT.
BY THE WAY, WITH REGARD TO WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID, I
AGREE.
I WOULD HAVE LIKED FOR IT TO BE A CHARTER AMENDMENT;
HOWEVER, I TOO CAN THE POSITION IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING VIA
ORDINANCE AND RESOLUTION OPPOSED TO A CHARTER AMENDMENT WE
SHOULD DO THAT.
THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE.
BUT I DO AGREE IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS STRUCTURAL THAT WOULD
PROBABLY BE BETTER IN THE CHARTER; HOWEVER, WE CAN DEAL WITH
THAT AT A LATER TIME.
THOSE COMMENTS ARE WELL TAKEN.
09:58:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THEN IN CHAMBERS THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO
THIS?
09:59:11AM >> GOOD MORNING.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
MR. MIRANDA, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU ASKED SELF-TEAMS WHO
STARTED IT.
THAT WOULD BE ME.
I SUBMITTED IT TO CHIEF BENNETT TWO YEARS AGO.
I DON'T REMEMBER ALL THE NUMBERS, BUT WE PULLED THE NUMBERS
FOR THE CLOSEST CITIES.
WE PULLED THE NUMBERS FOR THE STAFF.
I HAVE SEPTEMBER YOU GUYS THE E-MAIL AT LEAST TWO OR THREE
TIMES ABOUT THIS.
SO WHEN YOU WANT TO KNOW WHO STARTED THIS, THAT WOULD BE ME.
I DID THE RESEARCH.
I TOOK THE TOP FIVE STAFF MEMBERS FOR EVERY DEPARTMENT.
I ADDED THEM ALL UP.
I AVERAGED THEM ALL OUT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF LEGAL, BECAUSE
THEY MAKE MORE MONEY.
BUT THEN I CUT IT IN HALF.
AND THAT IS WHERE THE $72,000 CAME FROM.
HALF OF WHAT THE STAFF MEMBERS MAKE -- ADMINISTRATION -- THE
ADMINISTRATORS MAKE.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT.
THE DISCUSSION IS, OKAY, WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE A 42% RAISE.
WELL, WE GAVE THE CITY OF TAMPA EMPLOYEES AN 18% RAISE.
THAT WOULD RAISE YOU TO $61,000 A YEAR.
EVERY CONTRACT THAT I HAVE SEEN COME THROUGH WITH A RENEWAL
WITH A -- WITH A COST OF LIVING INCREASE ON IT WAS 8.5%.
THAT IS OUR INCREASE.
WHY DID THOSE SEATS UP THERE HAVE TO TAKE A VOW OF POVERTY
FOR THIS -- FOR THIS JOB?
AND NOBODY IS STARVING TO DEATH.
BUT WE HAVE ALL SEEN EVERYBODY'S FINANCIALS IN THE LAST
THREE MONTHS BECAUSE THEY WERE PUBLICIZED.
AND THERE IS NO REASON NOT TO.
WE HAVE FOLKS WHO WOULD LIKE TO RUN FOR COUNCIL WHO ARE NOT
WELL ESTABLISHED IN THEIR LIVES.
AND I AM SORRY, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU LIVED IN YOUR HOUSE
SINCE 1974.
I WAS FOUR YEARS OLD.
10:01:05AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
1964.
10:01:07AM >> 1964.
THE TAX RECORDS GO BACK TO 1974.
LONG BEFORE I WAS BORN.
I AM NO SPRING CHICKEN.
NO, YOU DON'T NEED THE MONEY, BUT YOU ALSO DON'T HAVE TO
TAKE THE MONEY.
PERIOD.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAS SAID HE WOULD NOT TAKE THE RAISE.
YOU CAN VOTE ON THIS TODAY AND GIVE THE NEXT COUNCIL A
RAISE.
FOUR OF YOU ARE ALREADY ELECTED OR NOT.
AND GO AHEAD AND DO THIS FOR THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL.
SO THEY CAN MAKE A LIVING WAGE.
SO THEY DON'T QUALIFY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IF THEY DON'T
HAVE ANOTHER JOB.
WE HAVE GOT A 25% INCREASE IN OUR POPULATION.
THIS JOB GETS MORE AND MORE CUMBERSOME EVERY YEAR BECAUSE OF
THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, REALITY IS, THAT IT IS JUST VERY FRUSTRATING
BECAUSE I SEE SOME VERY, VERY GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS WHO
WOULD LOVE TO RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL, AND THEY CAN'T, BECAUSE
THEY WOULD LOSE THEIR INCOME WHICH MEANS THEY WOULDN'T BE
ABLE TO PAY THEIR RENT OR THEIR HOUSE PAYMENT AND HAVE TO
TAKE A CUT IN SALARY.
THOSE THAT ARE STILL IN THE RACE FOR COUNCIL WHO WILL LOSE
PART OF THEIR SALARY TO DO SO.
VOTE FOR IT.
[BUZZER SOUNDING]
10:02:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMEMBERS, I DECIDED AFTER 16 YEARS OF
BEING ON VARIOUS BOARDS, COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS THAT I
WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE A PROFESSION THAT WOULD AFFORD ME
TIME TO DO THAT.
TO RUN FOR OFFICE.
BECAUSE I DID CARE ABOUT THIS CITY.
NOW I SPENT 35 HOURS A WEEK HERE, SOMETIMES WHEN THERE ARE
TUMBLE WEEDS BLOWING ACROSS THE THIRD FLOOR OF CITY HALL,
BUT I ALSO SPEND 35 HOURS A WEEK AT MY OTHER JOB.
I RAN FOR OFFICE BECAUSE I CARE ABOUT THIS CITY.
NOT BECAUSE HOW MUCH MONEY I MADE.
AND TAMPA WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY EASY FOR ME TO TAKE A 42%
RAISE.
THAT WOULD HAVE CURED ALL MY FINANCIAL PROBLEMS SO NASTY
MAILERS ABOUT ME THAT WENT OUT FULL OF FALSEHOODS AND
HALF-TRUTHS WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DONE.
DOES THIS COUNCIL DESERVE A RAISE?
MAYBE.
TO IT THE POINT OF 42%?
I DON'T KNOW.
AGAIN, I PAID FOR EVERYTHING THAT WAS GIVEN TO ME.
BECAUSE I WORK TWO JOBS.
AND I THINK I KNOW OF ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE
COUNCILMEMBERS THAT WORK TWO JOBS.
BRIGHTEST AND THE BEST.
I THINK WE HAVE THE BRIGHTEST AND THE BEST NOW, AND SOME
PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE RUNNING FOR OFFICE ARE THE
BRIGHTEST AND THE BEST, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE ANOTHER JOB.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBERS.
AGENDA ITEM --
10:04:48AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MAY I MAKE THAT MOTION.
10:04:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, WHY HE.
10:04:52AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HAVE THIS COME BACK TO US FOR OUR
CONSIDERATION AND IF COUNCIL PASSES IT.
HOW MUCH TIME, TWO MONTHS, THREE MONTHS?
WHAT ARE Y'ALL -- THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.
CHARTER AMENDMENT I DON'T WANT TO GO THERE.
BUT A RESOLUTION.
10:05:10AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
LET ME SAY THIS AS SOMEBODY WHO DID THAT
RESOLUTION IN 2005, IF COUNCIL WISHES TO DO IT THIS WAY, IT
WORKED THEN.
THAT WAS -- THAT WAS THE -- BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION BY
STAFF.
AND THE THING IS THAT CERTAINLY WHENEVER IT COMES BACK, THAT
WILL HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE COUNCIL WHO IS GOING TO BE
CONSIDERING IT AT THE TIME THE NEW TERM.
SO IF COUNCIL WISHES, I AM ABLE TO DRAFT THAT RESOLUTION.
CERTAINLY WE KNOW IT EXISTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF MR. VASKE WANTS TO DO IT.
10:05:48AM >> JUSTIN VASKE, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
REMEMBER, HE NEED A NUMBER.
WHEN I SET THE SALARY, I NEED A NUMBER.
10:05:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MAY ASK US.
THAT WILL GO INTO EFFECT MAY 5.
10:06:03AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YEAH, BUT I AM NOT SETTING ANYONE'S SALARY
WITH THIS.
10:06:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
BUT, AGAIN, IT IS GOING IN EFFECT AFTER THE
ELECTIONS, SO COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND THE REST OF THE PEOPLE
THAT ARE ELECTED, THEIR INCREASE WILL GO UP.
SO IT WILL AFFECT THE NEXT COUNCIL.
IF IT IS PASSED BEFOREHAND.
10:06:22AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THERE IS CONFUSION HERE.
I AM NOT TALKING OF INFLATION ADJUSTMENTS.
I AM SAYING IF WE RAISE OUR SALARY ABOVE THAT, THEN IT GOES
-- IF THIS BODY DOES SO, IT GOES TO THE NEXT COUNCIL.
OKAY.
THAT'S IT.
THAT IS ALL THAT I AM ASKING IN THIS.
I'M NOT ASKING FOR A 2005 RESOLUTION TO BE DISTURBED BUT IF
WE GO BEYOND THAT, THE INFLATION ADJUSTMENT UP TO 3% LIKE
THE 27th AMENDMENT, THAT'S IS.
10:07:01AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, YOU CAN DO
THAT NOW AND BINDING --
10:07:06AM >>LUIS VIERA:
LET'S HAVE IT FOR THE NEXT COUNCIL'S
CONSIDERATION.
10:07:08AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NEXT COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION.
WHAT THAT COUNCIL WILL DO WHEN IT IS UP FOR CONSIDERATION,
ASSUMING IT PASSES, THEY WOULD HAVE VOLUNTARILY CONSIDERED
THEY WILL NOT CONSIDER A RAISE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THEIR
TERM WHAT IS SET FORTH FOR 3%.
10:07:25AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THAT DOES NOT DISTURB THAT.
I WANT TO BE VERY CARE.
10:07:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:07:32AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE WERE CRITICIZED BECAUSE THE CHARTER
AMENDMENT DISCUSSION WAS SO LATE.
A STAFF ISSUE AND IT GOT DELAYED ALTHOUGH WE WERE BLAMED FOR
IT.
NOW WE ARE TWO YEARS OUT FROM THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
WE CAN VOTE NOW AND START THE PROCESS OF PUTTING -- CREATE
CAN AN ORDINANCE OF A CHARTER AMENDMENT ON THE BALLOT IN --
WHAT IS THAT, 2024, WHENEVER IT IS.
WE ARE ONLY 18 MONTHS OUT.
SO THERE IS NO -- WE GOT CRITICIZED FOR GOING LATE.
IF WE STARTED EARLY, IT SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE.
ALL IT WOULD SAY.
WOULDN'T TALK OF ANY NUMBERS.
ALL IT WOULD SAY IS ANY -- ANY INCREASE OF RAISE OTHER THAN
COST OF LIVING COULD ONLY -- COULD ONLY BE APPROVED TO
IMPACT THE NEXT COUNCIL, NOT WHATEVER COUNCIL IS SITTING.
ALL IT WOULD SAY, RIGHT.
10:08:25AM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY.
10:08:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:08:27AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WOULD NOT OPPOSE THAT BUT I SUBJECT TO GET
THE BALL ROLLING AND ANOTHER DISCUSSION.
10:08:34AM >> JUSTIN VASKE, ASSISTANT CITY COULD ATTORNEY.
THE CLEANEST WEIGH TO DO THIS WOULD BE AN ORDINANCE.
10:08:42AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THEN LET'S DO AN ORDINANCE.
10:08:44AM >> OKAY.
10:08:45AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
JUSTIN AND I ARE FRUSTRATED.
I THINK WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
THE RESOLUTION WOULD BE A METHOD TO INCREASE EVERYONE'S
SALARY.
IF WHAT COUNCILMAN VIERA IS ASKING FOR IS BASICALLY
SOMETHING THAT GOVERNS THE CITY COUNCIL AND SAYS IF YOU PASS
A RESOLUTION INCREASING THE SALARY, IT MUST GO INTO EFFECT
IN THE NEXT TERM.
OBVIOUSLY WE CAN SAY IT MORE ARTFULLY.
THAT IS WHAT JUSTIN IS SAYING.
IF THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT, DO IT BY ORDINANCE.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO DO A SALARY INCREASE NOW THAT WILL GO
INTO AFFECT LATER, YOU DO THAT BY RESOLUTION.
YOU DON'T NEED AN ORDINANCE.
YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION TO DO THAT, BUT IF YOU WANT TO
CARVE IT IN STONE, YOU HAVE TO DO IT THAT WAY AND THEN DO
THE ORDINANCE.
10:09:40AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MAY I, SIR.
10:09:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:09:42AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION THAT, YES,
THAT IS WHAT I WANT.
I WILL AMEND MY MOTION TO MAKE THAT AN ORDINANCE FOR THE
FOLLOWING COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION.
AND WE CAN HAVE IT IN -- WE ARE IN MARCH.
WHEN EVERYBODY IS WELL SETTLED IN JULY.
GIVE THEM FOUR MONTHS.
THAT IS FINE.
10:10:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
AGAINST?
ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
10:10:13AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
10:10:19AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
10:10:22AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
10:10:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
10:10:24AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
10:10:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
10:10:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO.
10:10:30AM >>CLERK:
MOTION PASSED WITH MANISCALCO, MIRANDA, AND CITRO
VOTING NO.
10:10:37AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DO WE HAVE A DATE FOR THAT, PLEASE.
CONSTITUTE PICK A DATE, MADAM CLERK.
JULY?
LET ME GET THE CALENDAR.
10:10:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SURE, COUNCILMAN VIERA, THIS IS YOUR MOTION.
10:10:49AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THE LAST WEEK IN JULY.
IF.
10:10:53AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT WILL BE A WORKSHOP -- OLD ON A SECOND.
10:10:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
27, COUNCIL REGULAR SESSION.
10:11:00AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
27, COUNCIL REGULAR SESSION.
10:11:02AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:11:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:11:05AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I HOPE THAT MR. CARLSON IN THE FUTURE WILL
MAKE THE MOTION AS IT RELATES TO A STRUCTURE.
THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY OF THE POLITICAL FALLOUT OF
WHO IS AFRAID TO VOTE ON MONEY AND ISSUES.
SO HOPEFULLY YOU WILL GET THE SUPPORT THE NEXT COUNCIL TO
PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO PUT A MECHANISM IN PLACE IN THE
CHARTER SO WE WON'T HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS GOING FORWARD IN
THE FUTURE.
THANK YOU.
10:11:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:11:39AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WONDER I, CONSIDERING ALL THE CONFUSION
JUST NOW.
NUMBER ONE, I WANT EVERYBODY WATCHING IN PUBLIC TO KNOW ALL
WE VOTED ON WAS A PROPOSED ORDINANCE THAT WOULD LIMIT ANY
EXISTING CITY COUNCIL FROM RAISING THEIR OWN SALARY.
THAT IS WHAT WE VOTED ON.
NUMBER TWO, WHEN IT COMES BACK, WOULD IT BE PRUDENT BECAUSE
OF THE CONFUSION, WOULD IT BE PRUDENT TO ASK THE CLERK TO
PUT A NOTE IN THAT SAYS SPECIFICALLY, THIS IS NOT A
DISCUSSION OF RAISING SALARIES.
IT IS ONLY A PROHIBITION AGAINST CURRENT COUNCIL FROM
RAISING THEIR OWN SALARIES.
10:12:14AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF HE CAN.
IF THAT -- IF THE MAKER OF THE MOTION -- THE WAY COUNCIL --
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU STATED IT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE -- OF
THE CLERK, BUT IF YOU COULD PHRASE THE MOTION BECAUSE I
THINK IT WAS FRAMED VERY WELL.
10:12:31AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HE WILL BE GLAD TO DO THAT.
AGAIN, TO RESTATE THE MOTION.
I RESTATE THE MOTION WE IS TO COME BACK ON JULY 27, HE
BELIEVE IT WAS, WITH A PROPOSED ORDINANCE FOR CONSIDERATION
BY CITY COUNCIL THAT WILL PRECLUDE A CITY COUNCIL FROM
RAISING THEIR OWN SALARY BEYOND THE ADJUSTMENT -- INFLATION
ADJUSTMENT AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S SUGGESTIONS THAT WE PUT
ON THE NOTICE FOR THE AGENDA FOR THE PUBLIC THAT THIS IS NOT
ABOUT US RAISING OUR SALARY.
10:13:00AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SECOND.
10:13:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
COUNCILMAN MERIDIAN.
10:13:08AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO DISCUSSION.
JUST LOOKING AT IT, AND IT HAS BEEN SO CONVOLUTED NOW FOR
THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THAT I AM LAUGHING AT MYSELF,
BECAUSE ANY ORDINANCE AND ANY COUNCIL COMING AFTER US BY
ORDINANCE CAN SUPERSEDE ANY ORDINANCE THAT WE WRITE.
SO THE MOOT QUESTION IS MOOT BECAUSE THEY CAN DO WHATEVER
THEY WANT.
LET'S FACE REALITY AND BE REALISTIC OF THE THINGS.
IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME FOR DIFFERENT REASONS FOR WHATEVER.
IF YOU REALLY WANT TO DO SOMETHING, THEN YOU HAVE THAT
COUNCIL PUT IT -- OR THIS COUNCIL PUT IT AT SOME ELECTION
DATE OF FUTURE COUNCILS IN THE CHARTER.
LET THEM VOTE FOR IT AND CODIFIED IN THE CHARTER.
ONLY WAY YOU WILL SOLVE IT.
DON'T GIVE IT TO NO MR. ELECTORATE BODY -- SORRY TO SAY THE
WORD HELL I SHOULD HAVE SAID H-E DOUBLE HOCKEY STICKS.
WE ARE NOT TRYING TO FOOL SOCIETY, BUT SO MANY THINGS ON
TABLE GOING THIS WAY AND THIS WAY.
IT IS A LITTLE CONFUSING TO SAY THE LEAST.
SO THAT'S ALL I AM GIVING.
IF YOU REALLY WANT TO DO SOMETHING, HAVE THE FUTURE COUNCIL
PUT IT ON THE CHARTER FOR A VOTE.
THE ABOUT PUBLIC STREETS ON IT.
NOT THE SEVEN OR EIGHT ELECTED OFFICIALS OF THIS CITY AND
ANY OTHER CITY THAT WILL BE HERE.
THAT IS WHY EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT EVERYTHING IS CODIFIED BY
THE ELECTRIC PEOPLE WHO ELECTED PEOPLE WHO GO VOTE IS.
10:14:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:14:37AM >>BILL CARLSON:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SAID IN THE DIFFERENT WAY
THE SAME THING THAT I SAID IT SHOULD BE A CHARTER AMENDMENT,
BECAUSE EVERY ORDINANCE -- ANY OTHER CITY COUNCIL CAN
CHANGE.
I DON'T KNOW THE FOLKS WHO VOTED NO WILL VOTE YES IF IT WAS
A CHARTER AMENDMENT, IF WE HAD THE VOTES NO YOU, I WILL ASK
THE COLLEAGUE TO RESTATE THE MOTION FOR A THIRD TIME.
IF NOT, I WILL ASK HIM TO TALK TO LEGAL AND COME BACK IN
JULY AND PROPOSE A CHARTER AMENDMENT INSTEAD.
I THINK -- I THINK -- ALL THE -- DESPITE SPENDING $200,000
AGAINST THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS, THREE OF THEM PASSED.
THIS ONE WILL PROBABLY GET 90 TO 100% OF THE VOTE BUT MOST
PEOPLE WILL BE IN FAVOR OF NOT HAVING THE CITY COUNCIL RAISE
THEIR OWN SALARIES.
THIS WOULD BE A NO LOSE.
10:15:29AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM NOT AN EXPERT IN POLITICS, BUT WHEN
YOU LOOK AT THE WAY YOU PUT THESE ITEMS -- NOT US, THAT IS
THE WAY IT IS STRUCTURED, WHY HE OR NO.
PEOPLE DON'T LIKE VOTE ANYTHING TESTIFY.
THEY HIKE TO VOTE IN A POSITIVE WAY.
THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
THAT IS MY TAKE ON IT.
YOU PUT A SUBJECT YES FOR THIS AND.
NO FOR THIS.
YES, YOU WILL GET THE MAJORITY.
THE SAME ONE AND YOU PUT IT UP HERE FOR YES AND SWITCH IT
AROUND, IT WILL PASS.
BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE TO VOTE POSITIVE.
THEY DON'T LIKE TO VOTE ANYTHING TESTIFY.
DON'T LIKE LISTENING TO NEGATIVE NEWS.
ENOUGH NEGATIVE THINGS IN THIS WORLD THAT IS COSTING
CIVILIZATION TO GO WHACKO, BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS NEGATIVE.
YOU LOOK AT THE CHARTER AND THE YES AND NOs.
I WOULD IMAGINE MA 95% OF A YES WILL PASS.
NOT ONE OR TWO SUBJECT MATTERS AND A NO WILL FAIL.
THAT IS MY TAKE ON IT.
10:16:25AM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY.
10:16:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:16:29AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I AM GLAD, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, TO TALK THAT
WITH CITY STAFF.
I WANTED THIS TO BE AN ORDINANCE -- STRIKE THAT, IF CHARTER
AMENDMENT.
110% SUPPORT TESTIFY OF THAT.
AND I SAY WE GET WHAT WE CAN RIGHT NOW.
WITH REGARD TO AN ORDINANCE, CITY COUNCIL CAN PASS
ORDINANCE.
WE PASS A TON OF ORDINANCES AND THEY CAN BE OVERRIDDEN AND A
PROCESS.
UP SAY THAT WE GET ON AN IDEA THAT HAS 90% APPROVAL IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA IF NOT THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND THEN LOOK AT
THE CHARTER AMENDMENT WHICH I WILL BE GLADLY TALKING TO
LEGAL ABOUT THAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCIL.
10:17:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL RIGHT.
DO WE STILL HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR?
YES, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON AS THE AMENDED MOTION.
DO A ROLL CALL VOTE ON IT PLEASE.
10:17:24AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
READ IT FOR THE ABOUT PUBLIC.
IT IS CONFUSING IF I MAY ASK.
10:17:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, PLEASE.
10:17:30AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MY MOTION WAS TO HAVE CITY OF TAMPA LEGAL COME
BACK WITH A DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT WOULD PRECLUDE ANY FUTURE
CITY COUNCIL FROM BEING ALLOWED TO RAISE THEIR OWN SALARY
BEYOND WHAT THE 2005 REGULARS LAND USE OF THE 3% SAYS.
AND -- AND ALSO, TO HAVE THE AGENDA -- THIS IS THE ONLY PART
THAT IS AMENDED.
TO HAVE THE AGENDA FOR THAT DATE JULY 27 REFLECT THIS IS NOT
A CONSIDERATION OF A SALARY INCREASE BY CITY COUNCIL.
THAT'S IT.
10:18:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGAIN, MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
ROLL CALL VOTE.
10:18:15AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WANT TO VOTE NO THIS TIME.
I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A CHARTER AMENDMENT.
I AM GOING TO VOTE NO THIS TIME.
10:18:28AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
10:18:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
10:18:30AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
10:18:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
10:18:33AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
10:18:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO.
10:18:36AM >>CLERK:
MOTION FAILED WITH GUDES, MANISCALCO, MIRANDA AND
CITRO VOTING NO.
10:18:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:18:49AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MR. SHELBY, WE DID PASS THE -- THE MOTION
WITHOUT THE CLARIFICATION, SO IS THAT 4-3 VOTE STILL IN
EFFECT?
10:18:58AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YEAH.
IT WAS A MOTION TO AMEND.
AS LONG AS THE CLERK REFLECTS IT AS THAT THE SECOND MOTION
WAS A MOTION TO AMEND THE PRIOR MOTION.
THAT MOTION TO AMEND FAILS.
ARE YOU CLEAR ON THE INITIAL MOTION, MADAM CLERK.
THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES.
10:19:13AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
10:19:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ARE WE CLEAR AND FINISHED WITH AGENDA ITEM
NUMBER 3?
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4, FILE NUMBER CM 22-73825.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:20:03AM >>BILL CARLSON:
A DISCUSSION WE HAD MANY TIMES AND THE CAN
KEEPS GETTING KICKED DOWN THE ROAD.
THE ISSUE IS THAT WE HAVE HAD POLITICAL AND OTHER INTERESTS
TARGETING CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH LITIGATION, SUBPOENAS,
EXTENSIVE PUBLIC RECORD SEARCHES, AND IT'S -- THE COST OF IT
IS A HUGE BURDEN ON CITY COUNCIL.
THE PUBLIC FEELS THESE LAWSUITS OR THREATS OF THE LAWSUITS
ARE INTIMIDATING CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND SWAY VOTES AND
COULD LEAD TO LITIGATION AGAINST THE CITY IF SOMEONE FEELS
THAT VOTES HAVE BEEN SWAYED BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN
INTIMIDATED.
THE FACT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS GET
PAID $53,000 A YEAR.
ONE WHO RESIGNED SPENT ALLEGEDLY $80,000 IN LEGAL FEES AND
HAD THE LAWSUIT POTENTIALLY FACING BANKRUPTCY.
THE PUBLIC AND SOME OF US ANYWAY FELT THAT THE.
CITY ATTORNEYS IN THE PAST -- NOT IN CITY ATTORNEY, BUT CITY
ATTORNEYS IN ABOUT THE PAST HAVE NOT FULLY DEFENDED CITY
COUNCIL AND DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE CHARTER SAYS THAT THE
CITY ATTORNEY SHOULD.
IT HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED BY MANY ATTORNEYS OUTSIDE THAT WE
PUT IN SOME STEPS TO MORE NARROWLY DEFINE WHAT THE -- WHAT
THE PROTECTIONS ARE.
AND THERE ARE SOME CREATIVE WHY $OF HOW TO ADDRESS THAT.
WITH THE IDEA BEING THAT -- THAT -- I WILL GIVE YOU ONE
EXAMPLE AND THEN IT SHUT UP.
THE HEALTH CARE -- EXCUSE ME THE HEALTH CARE CONTRACT OF THE
CITY IS HEALTH CARE INSURANCE OF THE CITY IS SELF-INSURED
BUT RUN BY A PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANY.
OF AND SO THE PAYMENTS THAT ARE MADE UNDER THE HEALTH
INSURANCE POLICY ARE MADE AND A DECISION BY THE PRIVATE
INSURANCE COMPANY, NOT BY A POLITICAL APPOINT HE.
NO POLITICS IN THE PROCESS AT LEAST IN THEORY.
THE ANALOGY I USED BEFORE.
IF SOMEONE NEEDED A LUNG TRANSPLANT, WHICH IS VERY
EXPENSIVE, THE PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANY, USING THE POLICY
OF THE INSURANCE WOULD DECIDE WHETHER SOMEONE GETS A LUNG
TRANSPLANT AND HOW MUCH WOULD GO IN.
AT THE CITY, IN THEORY, BY CHARTER AND BY RULES, WE HAVE
CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS OR ELECTED OFFICIALS HAVE -- AND
DEPARTMENT HEADS AND VOLUNTEER CHAIRS HAVE DEFENSE BY THE
CITY ATTORNEY, BUT -- AND THERE IS A RISK POLICY, BUT IN
LONG DISCUSSIONS, WE FOUND THERE IS A $500,000 DEDUCTIBLE.
EVERYTHING ABOVE $500,000 IS COVERED IN A POLICY THAT IS
SPECIFICALLY WRITTEN WITH SPECIFIC COVERAGES.
BUT BELOW THE $500,000, IT IS SELF-INSURED.
WHAT WE DISCOVERED THROUGH INTERFERING PRIOR CITY ATTORNEYS
THAT THERE IS NO SPECIFICS TO IT.
AN ASH TARRY DISCUSSION BASED ON HOW THAT POLITICAL
APPOINTEE INTERPRETATION THE LAW.
WHAT I WOULD WANT AND OTHERS IS MORE CERTAINTY BECAUSE IF
THERE IS CERTAINTY ABOUT HOW AND WHEN A CITY COUNCILMEMBER
OR PERSON WOULD BE COVERED THAT WILL BE A DETERRENT TO
FRIVOLOUS LAWSUITS AND HELP THE PUBLIC FEEL SAFE THAT THEIR
ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE PROTECTED.
ULTIMATELY IF AN ELECTED OFFICIAL GOES SOMETHING WRONG, THAT
GOES IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY.
IF SOMEONE USED -- SOMEONE USED A LITIGATION OR THREAT OF
LITIGATION TO INTIMIDATE A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER OR OTHERWISE
HARM THEM, THAT COULD CAUSE CONCERN IN THE COMMUNITY.
I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MR. SHELBY.
10:23:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY.
10:24:02AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
WHAT I HAVE DONE IS TAKEN CITY COUNCIL'S DISCUSSION OVER
THIS PERIOD OF TIME, AND ATTEMPTED TO CRAFT A WAY TO ADDRESS
THE CONCERN.
AS I SAID TO YOU PREVIOUSLY, MOST CITIES AND GOVERNMENTAL
ENTITIES WILL HAVE A REIMBURSEMENT MODEL.
IN OTHER WORDS, A POLICY IN PLACE THAT SAYS AT THE END OF
THE DAY WHEN DETERMINATION HAS TO BE MADE THAT IS BROUGHT TO
THE BODY AND THE BODY CONSIDERS IT FOR REIMBURSEMENT.
AGAIN, THE POLICY I INCLUDED IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE I
PROVIDED TO YOU AND, AGAIN, I WANT TO STATE THAT WHAT THIS
IS, IS THIS IS A PROPOSAL TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS WHAT I THINK
ARE THE CONCERNS.
I WANT TO AT THE OUTSET STATE WHAT HAD THE POLICY IS AND IT
IS SORT OF A -- BE A CONCISE STATEMENT OF THE CONCERN I HAD
EXPRESSED BY COUNCIL.
JUST SO THE PUBLIC IS AWARE OF IT.
THAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS ORDINANCE WHICH IS IN THE RECITAL
AND ALSO IN THE BODY OF IT, THAT THERE EXISTS A MUNICIPAL
PURPOSE TO EXTEND FUNDS FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO PERFORM
THEIR DUTY SERVING A PUBLIC PURPOSE WITHOUT PERSONAL
FINANCIAL THREAT OF LEGAL ACTION THAT MAY HAVE A CHILLING
EFFECT ON THE PROPER PERFORMANCE OF THEIR DUTIES AND THE
DILIGENT REPRESENTATION OF THE PUBLIC INTEREST.
OR OTHERWISE, DISSUADE CAPABLE AND QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS
FROM ENTERING PUBLIC SERVICE.
THAT WAS THE MESSAGE HE BELIEVE THAT COUNCIL HAD GIVEN WHY
THEY WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A PROCESS, BECAUSE, IN
EFFECT, THE PROCESS, AS IT STANDS NOW, APPEARS TO IT BE A
CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.
AN AD HOC PROCESS.
AND LOOKED AT OTHER JURISDICTIONS TO SEE HOW THEY SET OUT
THE GUIDELINES SO THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOVERNED BY THIS
ORDINANCE OR MOTION.
SPECIFICALLY COUNCIL ASKED THAT IT APPLIED TO ELECTED FI.
AND NOT AN ORDINANCE THAT DOESN'T APPLY -- DOESN'T APPLY TO
OFFICERS OR EMPLOYEES, ALTHOUGH IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND
INDEMNIFICATION AND ORDINANCE OR POLICY WILL GENERALLY
APPLY.
WITH BEING THE CASE, THIS ARGUMENT IS SOMEWHAT UNIQUE IN
THAT RECORD.
WHAT I HAVE DONE IS PROVIDED A MEANS TO ALLOW AS IT SAYS IN
THE TITLE OF THE ORDINANCE, TO ALLOW FOR REPRESENTATION AND
REIMBURSEMENT, PAYMENT OF ASSOCIATED COSTS OF ELECTED
OFFICIALS OF CIVIL CLAIMS, ACTIONS AND ETHICS COMPLAINTS IN
CONNECTION WITH THE PERFORMANCE OF THEIR OFFICIAL DUTIES
WHILE SERVING A PUBLIC PURPOSE AND AUTHORIZES A RISK FUND
ESPECIALLY OR -- AND/OR INSURANCE FOR SUCH PURPOSE.
AGAIN FOR THE ABOUT PUBLIC SO THEY KNOW AS COUNCILMAN
CARLSON STATED, AUTHORIZES THE RECOVERY OF DISBURSED CITY
FUND IN THE EVENT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL IS DETERMINED TO BE
PERSONALLY RELIABLE.
THAT IS THE INTENT TO CREATE A PROCESS SO IT IS AT LEAST
DELINEATED AND CLEAR.
IT IS REALLY AN AMALGAM OF MANY JURISDICTIONS ACROSS THE
STATE, BUT VERY FEW OF THE JURISDICTIONS HAVE A PROCESS THAT
ALLOWS THE CITY ATTORNEY TO ACTUALLY OR THE -- OR TWO FOLD.
NUMBER ONE, THE CITY ATTORNEY MAKES THE DETERMINE NATION --
THE INITIAL DETERMINATION THAT COULD -- THAT THAT THE CITY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE COMPANY OF REPRESENT OR IN THE CASE OF A
CONFLICT, THE CITY ATTORNEY COULD ASSIGN THAT AND DESIGNATE
A CONFLICT COUNCIL.
OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE THAN WHAT HAPPENED IS THE -- THE
ELECTED OFFICIAL WHO IS MEETING THAT REPRESENTATION CAN
ENGAGE A PRIVATE ATTORNEY AND THE CITY WITHIN -- PAY THOSE
REASONABLE EXPENSES AND COSTS.
THAT IS BASICALLY THE MODEL PRESENTED FOR WHY YOU ARE
CONSIDERATION.
I PRESENTED IT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY WHO HAVE JUST --
FRANKLY, JUST RECEIVED -- JUST RECEIVED IT.
AND I -- WE DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS ANY
CONCERNS THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY MAY HAVE.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER -- WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT IT
PRIVATELY AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
I PRESENTED TO COUNCIL.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT COUNCIL'S DIRECTION IS AT THIS POINT, BUT
MISS ZELMAN, DO YOU -- DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
10:28:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:28:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. SHELBY.
LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE.
LOOKING AT SALARIES AND PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SERVE WON'T BE
ABLE TO SERVE.
WHATEVER.
THAT IS A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION.
IF WE DON'T HAVE PROTECTIONS IN PLACE, NO ONE WILL WANT TO
SERVE THE RISK YOU VOTE THE WRONG WAY OR DO THE WRONG THEY
THINK IN YOUR OFFICIAL CAPACITY, OFFICIAL DUTIES.
WHO WANTS THIS, BESIDES THE -- THE STRESS THAT COMES WITH
IT, WHATEVER FEV BUT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE LAST YEAR
CONSEQUENCES OF WHAT HAD HAPPENED.
COSTS THAT PEOPLE HAVE INCURRED.
YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ALREADY DISCUSSED.
I WOULD BE GLAD TO SUPPORT THIS.
HE THINKS IT IS CLEAR.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SPECIFICALLY, IT SPECIFIES IN THE
PERFORMANCE OF THEIR OFFICIAL DUTIES.
YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT IS A VOTE HERE ON THE DAIS.
WHETHER IT IS -- YOU KNOW, COMING FROM A CITY E-MAIL,
WHATEVER IT IS.
THE OFFICIAL CAPACITY AS THAT ELECTED OFFICIALS.
SO UNLESS THERE ARE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR CONCERNS, I
THINK IT IS VERY CLEAR AND WELL WRITTEN.
I UNDERSTAND IT IS ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS, BUT HERE IT SAYS
THE CITY HAS TO DEFEND AND SHOULD STEP IN TO DEFEND AN
ELECTED OFFICIAL -- NOT AN OFFICER -- BUT
SPECIFICALLY TAILORED TO US OR THE ELECTED BODY THAT'S IT.
I SEE HERE -- THIS WHEREAS, THE PURPOSE OF THIS COMMON LAW
RULE TO AVOID THE CHILLING EFFECT THAT A DENIAL OF
REPRESENTATION MAY HAVE FOR PUBLIC OFFICIALS TO PERFORM
THEIR DUTIES PRO AREALLY AND DILIGENTLY.
SCARED TO VOTE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER KNOWING THEY WOULD NOT
BE COVERED SHOULD THERE BE ANY LITIGATION FOR LAWSUITS.
SO I AM HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS.
10:30:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:30:42AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I YIELD TO MR. CARLSON.
10:30:44AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE -- I THINK IT IS WELL-WRITTEN AND
WELL-RESEARCHED.
IT IS -- I THINK MOSTLY A RESTATEMENT OF WHAT WE HEARD FROM
CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WITH -- WITH RESPECT TO THE STATE LAW
AND WHAT CAN AND CAN NOT BE APPROVED.
MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH IT IS THAT THERE IS STILL TOO MUCH
SUBJECTIVITY IN IT.
AND IT GIVES -- IT GIVES TOO MUCH FLEXIBILITY FOR A CITY
ATTORNEY TO REJECT CITY COUNCIL -- A CITY COUNCILMEMBERS'S
REQUEST.
WE HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THIS CITY ATTORNEY, YOU
NEVER KNOW WHAT SOMEBODY WILL HAVE IN THE FUTURE AND CITY
COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE PROTECTED.
THE SECOND THING IS THAT, THERE HAS TO BE SOME OTHER KIND OF
POLICY THAT COVERS UP TO SOME BASIC LIMITS.
I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE.
FOR EXAMPLE -- AND -- AND MR. SHELBY AND I TALKED ABOUT
THIS.
WE CAN HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS, BUT, FOR
EXAMPLE, IF THE CITY PUT IN $400,000 INTO A SELF-INSURED
FUND.
AND IF WE NEEDED TO, WE COULD EACH PAY -- THE EIGHT OF US
CAN PAY $1 A MONTH OR WHATEVER PREMIUM SO NOT THE CITY
PAYING.
THERE ARE CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS OF HOW THE CITY CAN REIMBURSE
BECAUSE OF STATE LAW, BUT AN INSURANCE POM POLICY THAT THE
CITY ITSELF -- I AM MAKING THIS UP AS AN IDEA.
THEN WHAT IT WOULD DO IS -- I THINK THAT POLICY WOULD HAVE
VERY BROAD DEFINITIONS ABOUT HOW CITY COUNCIL -- SORRY,
ELECTED OFFICIALS WILL BE COVERED UP TO THE FIRST $50,000.
A HUGE DETERRENT FOR FRIVOLOUS LAWSUITS.
WOULDN'T BE AS RESTRICTED AND SUBJECTIVE AS THE REST OF IT.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEPARATELY IS MAYBE MAKE A FOLLOW-UP
MOTION TO HAVE -- IF THIS IS PASSED, HAVE A FOLLOW-UP MOTION
TO COME BACK AT ANOTHER TIME WITH THAT PROPOSAL.
ALSO THE CHIEF OF STAFF TALKED TO SOME FOLKS.
AND IN SOME CITIES, THE -- AS PART OF THE BENEFITS TO
ELECTED OFFICIALS, THE GOVERNMENT AGENCY PAYS PART OR ALL OF
THE PREMIUM FOR AN UMBRELLA LIABILITY POLICY FOR THE
INDIVIDUAL JUST LIKE YOU WOULD PAY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE OR
ANY OTHER KINDS OF SERVICE.
SO I THINK WITH A COMBINATION OF THOSE THREE THINGS, WE WILL
BE SECURED ENOUGH.
AND, AGAIN, IF SOMEONE DOES SOMETHING WRONG, THEN.
IT BREAKS THE LAW, NO AMOUNT OF INSURANCE WILL PROTECT THAT.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT PROTECTING ANYBODY WHO HAS BROKEN THE LAW.
WHAT IT DOES DO, PREVENT FRIVOLOUS OR INTIMIDATING LAWSUITS.
AND ALLOWS ELECTED OFFICIALS TO PROTECT THEMSELVES IN THE
FACE OF THAT.
10:33:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:33:47AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
JUST FOR MY PART.
I AM NOT DISAGREEING OR AGREEING WITH THIS.
I HAVEN'T IF YOU WILLY UNDERSTOOD OR READ IT YET.
IN MY ABOUT POSITION, I DON'T -- IF I -- IF I -- THE CITY
COUNCIL -- THE CITY OF TAMPA ATTORNEY, WHOEVER HE OR SHE MAY
BE IS THE ONE THAT IS REPRESENTING ALL OF US IN CASES THERE
A LAWSUIT, AM I CORRECT?
I DON'T --
10:34:16AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BY THE CHARTER?
YES, YES.
10:34:18AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE ASKING FOR A -- A
HYBRID OR JUST SOMEBODY OUTSIDE TO HANDLE THAT LAWSUIT.
A HYBRID IF A MEMBER LIKE MYSELF WANTS THE CITY ATTORNEY
WHOEVER HE OR SHE TO REPRESENT ME, IS THAT STILL IN HERE I
HAVE THAT TO DO THAT?
OR DO I HAVE TO GO TO THE OUTSIDE COUNCIL ATTORNEY?
10:34:42AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PARDON?
IT DOES BOTH.
WELL, AND THAT -- THAT IS WHAT MAKES THIS -- NOT THE
REIMBURSEMENT MODEL.
THE ANSWER IS, YES, THAT WILL BE DONE.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS PROVIDED FOR.
IT IS STILL ULTIMATELY -- ULTIMATELY IN ALL THE THINGS THAT
I HOOKED AT THROUGHOUT THE STATE, SOMEBODY HAS TO BE
RESPONSIBLE FOR SIGNING OFF ON SPENDING CITY FUNDS.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAVE TALKED ABOUT A SELF-INSURED FUND OF
$400,000, BUT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE, I GUESS, FILED
INITIALLY.
A DOLLAR A MONTH CAME TO MIND.
WHEN YOU SAID THAT, I WONDER HOW THAT WOULD BE.
I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK JUST BRIEFLY TO THE CHIEF OF
STAFF ABOUT INSURANCE AND THE ADMINISTRATION WILL BE WILLING
TOLL WORK AND TALK WITH THE PEOPLE WHO DEAL WITH THEIR
INSURANCE TO BE ABLE TO FIND OUT DIFFERENT MODELS TO DO
THAT.
CERTAINLY, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED WAY BACK AND
WHEN THE RISK MANAGER WAS HERE, AND TAMPA REALLY WASN'T ABLE
TO BE ADDRESSED AT THIS TIME OR WASN'T ADDRESSED COUNCIL,
WHAT I WOULD LIKE AND I AM AWARE OF THE FACT THAT MISS
ZELMAN HAS CONCERNS THAT SHE AND I HAVE NOT DISCUSSED.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG -- HOW SOON YOU WOULD LIKE FOR THIS TO
COME TO PACK, BUT I WOULD LIKE THAT THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BE
ABLE TO AT LEAST GET THE BEN GET OF KNOWING WHAT SHE KNOWS
AND WHAT SHE IS CONCERN ABOUT AND WHAT SHE HAS AND WHAT
COMMENTS SHE HAS.
I APOLOGIZE AGAIN.
WE DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT ON SUCH SHORT
NOTICE.
10:36:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
MR. SHELBY, JUST FOR THE PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, PERFORMANCE OF
THEIR DUTIES, AS FAR AS COUNCIL PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED?
10:36:43AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IN THE PERFORMANCE OF THEIR DUTY WITHIN THE
SCOPE OF WHAT THEY ARE SET TO DO.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT IS IN THE -- HOW DO I PHRASE IT -- WHAT
IS THE BEST WAY TO PUT IT.
THE DEFINITION OF -- IT IS A LEGAL DEFINITION FOR THE
PERFORMANCE OF THEIR DUTIES, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS
DONE -- I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME.
UP WISH I HAD THE LANGUAGE.
I DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC LEGAL DEFINITION IN FRONT OF ME.
10:37:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
BEFORE I GO TO YOU COUNCILMAN VIERA, I AM
NOT TRYING TO SPLIT HAIRS, BUT CAN YOU GIVE ME AN INCIDENT
OF SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF THE PERFORMANCE OF THEIR DUTIES THAT
MAY NOT BE COVERED.
10:37:35AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I HAVE GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE THAT WAS JUST
SAID TO ME THIS MORNING IN THE CONTEXT OF LET'S SAY SOMEBODY
WHO IS ABLE TO TAKE THEIR VEHICLE TO AND FROM WORK AND TAKE
IT HOME AND DRIVING HOME, WHAT THEY DO IS THEY PERHAPS HAVE
SOMETHING TO DRINK AND CAUSES AN ACTION AGAINST THE DRIVER,
PERHAPS THE OWNER OF THE VEHICLE.
AND WHAT HAPPENS, THAT IS FOUND TO BE OUTSIDE THE
PERFORMANCE OF THEIR DUTIES NOT WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THEIR
EMPLOYMENT, AND THAT WILL THEN MAKE THAT SOMETHING THAT
WOULD NOT THEN BE COVERED.
FEBRUARY REALLY SPEAKING.
IN DETERMINATION -- A DETERMINATION OF THAT HAS TO BE MADE
AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
THE QUESTION IS -- AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF
CITY COUNCIL.
THE QUESTION IS, AT WHAT POINT IS THAT DETERMINE NATION
MADE.
IF THAT DETERMINATION IS MADE PREMATURELY, DOES THAT THEN
PERHAPS SIGNAL OR INDICATE THAT THE CITY WILL NOT COVER IN
THE EVENT OF A LAWSUIT.
AND THIS IS THE CONCERN OF COUNCIL IN THE PAST.
IT HAS BEEN DIFFICULT FOR ME, COUNCIL TO IT BE ABLE TO
ADDRESS ALL THE CONCERNS BECAUSE I WILL SHARE WITH YOU FROM
A -- FROM A PROFESSIONAL AND PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE, AND
SITTING IN THAT CHAIR FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS, I HAVE SEEN THE
EFFECT THAT THIS HAS HAD ON CITY COUNCIL.
AND THE COUNCIL'S CONCERNS TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS IT.
AGED I AM HOOKING FOR A WAY WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK COUNTY WAY
THE CITY IS STRUCTURED AND WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY TO BE ABLE
TO RESOLVE THIS IN A WAY THAT PROVIDES THE PROTECTION THAT
THE COUNCIL WANTS.
THAT HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE.
BUT WHAT I HAVE DONE IS CRAFTED A MODEL TO BE ABLE TO
ADDRESS THE CONCERNS AS THEY HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED TO ME.
THAT IS WHAT IS HERE.
I ASK FOR COUNCIL TO GIVE ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH
MISS ZELMAN TO ADDRESS THAT.
10:39:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COME BACK JUNE 1?
10:39:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I AM GOING TO FINISH -- IF I CAN SAFELY SAY,
ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF SUNSHINE WOULD NOT BE COVERED BY THIS.
IF.
10:40:00AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
A VIOLATION OF THE SUNSHINE LAW.
10:40:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, SIR.
10:40:03AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
A VIOLATION OF A SUNSHINE LAW.
A ALLEGATION OF A VIOLATION OF THE SUNSHINE LAW FACTS WILL
HAVE TO BE DETERMINED.
THE QUESTION IS, AT WHAT POINT IN TIME ARE ACTIONS -- AN
INTERESTING CONCEPT TO PUT THAT IN THIS FRAMEWORK.
I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY DO THAT.
TALK TO MISS ZELMAN ABOUT THAT.
I FRANKLY THINK THAT IF SOMEONE VIOLATES THE LAW IN THE
EVENT OF A SUNSHINE VIOLATION, IT IS POTENTIALLY A CRIME.
AND NO, THAT WOULD NOT BE COVERED.
10:40:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
ANYONE IN COUNCIL CHEAP PERCENT LIKE TO SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEM
NUMBER 4?
10:40:48AM >> I LOVE WORKSHOP DAYS.
GOOD MORNING, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
THE PRESIDENT OF T.H.A.N.
PRESIDENT OF GANDY CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
I AM THE PRESIDENT OF SOUTH TOWN PARK -- ACTUALLY I AM NOT,
BUT I AM STILL ON THE BOARD.
10:41:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MISS POYNOR, ARE YOU SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF
T.H.A.N.
10:41:07AM >> NO, I AM SPEAKING AS A BOARD MEMBER ON THREE MUCH SMALLER
BOARDS.
ALL THREE OF THOSE BOARD HAVE -- HAVE DIRECTORS' INSURANCE.
ALL THREE OF THEM DO.
WHY?
BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE.
BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO VOLUNTEER OR MAKE A PITTANCE TO DO A JOB
SHOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY OF LEGAL LIABILITY.
THAT IS WHAT INSURANCE IS FOR.
AS IT A WE WILL FOR, HE AN UMBRELLA POLICY THAT COVERS MY
BUSINESS.
WHY WOULD ANYBODY THINK IT IS OKAY TO NOT HAVE INSURANCE?
WHAT ABOUT THE PARTS OF YOUR JOB THAT YOU DO THAT AREN'T IN
HERE.
LIKE THE RIBBON CUTTING, THE PARADES, WHEN YOU GO TO
NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS.
THOSE THINGS SHOULD BE COVERED TOO.
BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE NOT OFFICIALLY PART OF YOUR
JOB, THEY ARE PART OF THE JOB YOU DO.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST, LET'S TALK ABOUT COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER
BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE ALL THIS STEMS FROM.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT 100% CLEAR FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME,
MY NAME WAS IN THE LAWSUIT.
JEAN STROHMEYER'S NAME IN THE LAWSUIT.
I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT I HAD NO CONTACT WITH
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER VIA CAN LYNNE DINGFELDER'S PERSONAL
E-MAIL, BUT NO ONE EVER ASKED ME.
SO VIOLATION OF SUNSHINE?
DIDN'T HAPPEN.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE FRIVOLOUS LAWSUITS BEING FILED, AND PEOPLE
HAVE TO GIVE UP THEIR PERSONAL SAVINGS TO DEAL WITH THAT
CRAP.
IT IS RIDICULOUS.
AND WHAT REALLY BEFUDDLES ME, I AM THE PERSON THAT MAKES
NOTHING FOR COMING HERE.
BUT THIS IS THE SECOND TIME TODAY THAT I HAVE BEEN COME UP
HERE TO ARGUE WITH ALL OF YOU TO DO SOMETHING FOR THE SEATS
THAT YOU SIT IN.
WHY DO I AS SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T MAKE ANY MONEY FOR DOING
THIS HAVE TO SAY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS ABSOLUTELY MAKES
SENSE WE HAVE EIGHT ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THE CITY STAFF, FOR SOME REASON, AT ALL OF THEM, BUT THE
PUBLIC AFFAIRS BUNCH, THEY THINK WE ONLY HAVE ONE ELECTED
OFFICIAL.
I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO MAKE A MOTION TO ELECT TO PROTECT
THE SEATS THAT HAD YOU SIT IN.
THANK YOU.
10:43:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:43:46AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I MEAN I HAVE BEEN HERE ALMOST FOUR YEARS
NOW.
AND SOMETIMES I -- I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I JUST REALLY DON'T.
THINGS THAT -- LIKE SHE SAID THAT ARE COMMON SENSE.
I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND.
THINGS THAT WE KNOW THAT ARE WRONG, WE -- WE DON'T FIX, WE
WAIT AROUND.
I -- I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE RUN SEVERAL YOUTH PROGRAMS FOR DECADES,
DECADES.
AND I AM TALKING ABOUT NATIONALLY.
AND ALL OF OUR OFFICERS HAVE DIRECTORS INSURANCE.
ALL OF THEM.
ALL OF THEM.
SO WHAT SHE SAYS IS THE TRUTH.
SHE IS NOT COMING UP HERE TO ARGUE POINTS.
IT IS A VALID POINT.
THAT EVERY LEAGUE THAT I HAVE RUN, IN OUR NATIONAL LEAGUES,
JOHN SALLY IS A GOOD FRIEND OF MEAN AND RUN AS CHURCH.
WE MAKE SURE THAT EVERY OFFICER, WE PLACE DIRECTORS
INSURANCE ON THEM.
IN CASE A CRIME IS COMMITTED OR IN CASE THEY DO SOMETHING OR
IN CASE THEY ARE DEFENDING KIDS, BASICALLY DEFENDING
THEMSELVES.
INSURANCE ON THEM SO THEY DON'T GO BANKRUPT, BECAUSE THEY
ARE VOLUNTEERING.
YOU KNOW IN THE COURSE OF A JOB, THINGS HAPPEN.
THINGS JUST HAPPEN SOMETIMES.
BUT TO NOT HAVE SOMEONE TO DEFEND YOU, IF YOU DON'T HAVE
MONEY, WHAT DO YOU DO?
PERSON WHO DOESN'T HAVE MONEY CAN'T AFFORD AN ATTORNEY.
BUT YOU VOLUNTEER BECAUSE YOU WANT TO SERVE THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
WANT TO SERVE THE PEOPLE.
BUT ARE THOSE PEOPLE GOING TO GIVE YOU MONEY FOR A DAMN
ATTORNEY?
I AM GOING TO BE HONEST.
DO WE HAVE MONEY TO GIVE YOU FOR AN ATTORNEY?
THEY WILL SAY I WISH YOU WELL.
SOME GENTLEMAN COME UP -- I TRY TO GO FUND ME ACCOUNT.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, TALKING OF WRECKING YOUR FAMILY'S
LIVELIHOOD WITH THEIR MONEY.
NOT YOUR MONEY, THEIR MONEY.
SO TO ME, THIS IS NOT A AT THE CAL THEY THINK TO DO, BECAUSE
IT IS DONE EVERY DAY.
IT IS DONE EVERY DAY.
YOU JUST HAVE TO WANT TO DO IT.
AND JUST DO IT.
REGARDLESS.
INSURANCE COMPANIES ALL DAY LONG -- INSURANCE ON COUNCIL AND
YOU PAY -- EVEN IF A COUNCILMEMBER HAD TO PAY INDIVIDUALLY.
AT LEAST YOU WON'T GO BANKRUPT.
I THINK MISS POYNOR AND SOME OF THE CITIZENS -- NOT ROBBERY
DOING THESE FOUR YEARS TO BRING THINGS TO LET THAT OTHER
PEOPLE WERE SCARED TO DO.
TIMES ARE CHANGING.
THE CITY IS CHANGING.
PEOPLE ARE GETTING INVOLVED IN THEIR LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND
SEEING THINGS THAT AREN'T RIGHT AND THEY WANT THEM DONE THE
RIGHT WAY.
COUNCILMEMBERS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE ELECTED TO GET ON THESE
BOARD WHO ARE MORE VOCAL NOW, MAKING SURE THE GOVERNMENT IS
DOING THE RIGHT THING.
NOT IF ALONG, GET ALONG PEOPLE ANYMORE.
THAT IS WHAT THE CITIZENS WANT.
THEY DON'T WANT GO ALONG, GET ALONG PEOPLE AND ADDRESS
CONCERNS.
WITH THAT COMES A PRICE AT TIMES.
WITH THAT THERE IS A PRICE THAT YOU MAY BE ATTACKED
POLITICALLY.
SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I WON'T BE HERE.
I AM STILL DEFENDING MYSELF.
I AM ALWAYS GOING TO DEFEND MYSELF.
LIKE MR. MIRANDA -- I WILL GO BANKRUPT.
I WILL GO BROKE, MAN.
I WILL GO DAMN IT, BROKE, TO DEFEND MY HONOR AND DEFEND MY
CHARACTER.
I AM GOING TO DO THAT.
TRUST ME.
I AM GOING TO DO THAT.
THINGS HAVE TO BE RECTIFIED, MR. SHELBY, WITH ME.
BUT I AM JUST SAYING, I HOPE COUNCILMEMBERS UNDERSTAND THE
REALITY.
NOT LOOK AT THE POLITICAL BUT THE REALITY OF WHAT THIS TIME
AND ERA IS THAT OTHERS ARE DOING TO GET THEIR POINT ACROSS.
AND IN INTIMIDATING WAYS AND FACTORS.
I AM HOPING WHATEVER THIS COUNCIL DECIDE TO DO WILL BE
BENEFICIAL FOR THE NEXT GROUP OF FOLKS SO THEY COULD BE
PROTECT AND.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:48:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:48:24AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
IN READING ALL THIS, I -- IT STRIKES ME ON VARIOUS LEVELS.
WHEN YOU ARE GROWING UP, YOU HEAR PEOPLE TALK.
AND YOU TAKE ADVICE OR DON'T TAKE ADVICE OF THE ELDERS.
YOU DON'T ASK SOMEONE THREE OR FOUR YEARS OLD FOR ADVICE
WHEN YOU ARE 16 OR 17.
I REMEMBER ONE THING SPECIFICALLY IN MY LIFE -- I SAID IT
BEFORE ON COUNCIL.
WHEN A FATHER PUT A DIME IN MY HAND AND WHAT IS THAT FAR.
HE SAID IF YOU GET IN TROUBLE, CALL SOMEBODY ELSE.
THAT ESSENTIAL WHEN -- WHEN THEY HAD PUBLIC STATIONS ALL
OVER THE PLACE FOR A DIME.
THAT IS ALWAYS STAYED IN MY MIND.
AND NOW HERE COUNCILMAN GUDES SO RIGHTFULLY SAY THAT NO
MATTER WHAT THE COST IS, IF I FEEL THAT I AM INNOCENT AND I
KNOW THAT I AM INNOCENT, FEELING IS ONE THING.
KNOWING IS ANOTHER.
I WILL NEVER RESIGN.
I WILL NEVER GIVE UP WHOEVER SUES ME UNTIL THE DAY THAT I AM
BROKE OR THE DAY THAT I DIE.
THAT WAS INSTILLED IN ME WHEN YOU WERE GROWING UP.
AND AS I SEE THIS, YES, WE SIT ON BOARDS.
ALL BOARDS IN THE CITY.
ALL BOARDS WHEREVER YOU ARE AT IF YOU ARE A OR NOT A CITY
EMPLOYEE, YOU SIT ON ANY BOARD.
USUALLY YOU HAVE INSURANCE.
YOU KNOW WHY?
BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE AN ATTORNEY.
THAT OVER SEES THE BOARD MEMBERS.
THAT HAS THE POLITICAL KNOW-HOW HOW TO DEFEND SOMEONE.
SO, THEREFORE, I JUST -- IN MY CASE SOMETHING HAPPENS, THE
CITY ATTORNEY OR WHOEVER HE OR SHE IS CAN REPRESENT ME AT
THE LEAST COST TO THE TAXPAYERS AS GOOD AS ADVICE YOU WILL
GET ANYWHERE ELSE.
THAT IS JUST ME.
I AM NOT SAYING I AM RIGHT OR WRONG.
BUT THERE IS AN ATTORNEY HERE, WHOEVER THAT ATTORNEY MAY BE,
AND THERE IS A LEGAL STAFF THERE TO DO THE RESEARCH ALSO.
SO THAT IS MY CASE.
AND I DON'T -- YOU CAN VOTE ANYWAY YOU WANT.
THAT IS WHAT YOU SHOULD DO.
BUT I'M NOT GOING TO GO WITH ANYBODY PAYING ANY INSURANCE
FOR ME IN CASE I DO SOMETHING WRONG.
IF I DO IT WITH THE AUTOMOBILE, CERTAINLY YOU HAVE
AUTOMOBILE COVERAGE.
YOU HAVE HOME INSURANCE COVERAGE.
THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT HE WAS GROWING UP WITH.
THOSE, ARE THE THINGS I WILL TIE WITH.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:50:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:50:56AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK CITY
COUNCIL ATTORNEY TO RETURN ON JUNE 1 WITH A ORDINANCE FOR
FIRST READING AND CONSIDERATION.
10:51:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
10:51:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS?
ROLL CALL VOTE.
YOU.
10:51:25AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
10:51:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
10:51:29AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES, BUT IF IT IS ME, I AM GOING TO GET
MY OWN ATTORNEY, THE CITY'S.
10:51:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
10:51:35AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
10:51:37AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
10:51:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
10:51:39AM >>CLERK:
MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:51:45AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SECOND MOTION TO CM
22-73825.
MAKE A MOTION TO ASK THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY TO RETURN ON
JUNE 1 WITH A REPORT OF THE POSSIBILITY OF A -- A SELF--- A
SMALL SELF-INSURANCE FUND AND OR THE CHIEF OF STAFF'S IDEA
TO HAVE LIABILITY UMBRELLA INSURANCE AS A BENEFIT FOR
DISCUSSION.
10:52:19AM >> SECOND.
10:52:21AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MAY I ASK, MR. CARLSON, IF YOU INCLUDE THE
RISK MANAGER IN THAT DISCUSSION AS WELL.
DO YOU WANT THE RISK MANAGER PRESENT OR NOT?
BECAUSE COUNCIL, LET ME JUST SHARE WITH YOU, IN DRAFTING
THIS, THE COMPLEXITY OF IT IS THE FACT THAT -- AS IT WAS
STATED, THAT THE CITY IS SELF-INSURED WHICH MEANS THE FIRST
$500,000 IS THE DEDUCTIBLE.
10:52:43AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE SPECIFIC.
I MADE A MOTION TO HAVE YOU COME BACK AND YOU DECIDE WHO YOU
WANT TO BRING WITH YOU.
10:52:50AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OKAY.
10:52:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
10:52:52AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WILL INVITE THEM.
WHOEVER IS APPROPRIATE.
THANK YOU, SIR.
10:52:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
WILL WE HAVE ROLL CALL VOTE.
10:53:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
10:53:13AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
10:53:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
10:53:16AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
10:53:18AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
10:53:19AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
10:53:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
10:53:21AM >>CLERK:
MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:53:24AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I MAKE A FINAL COMMENT?
10:53:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:53:30AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU ALL FOR VOTING ON THOSE TWO.
I WILL NOT MAKE A MOTION RIGHT NOW, BUT FORMER COUNCILMEMBER
DINGFELDER IS PROHIBITED BY -- THE MEDIA PROHIBITED FROM
ASKING FOR REIMBURSEMENT FOR FUNDS FOR HIS SITUATION.
I WON'T RELITIGATE THE FACTS HERE, BUT I THINK AT SOME POINT
CITY COUNCIL SHOULD VOLUNTARILY OFFER TO REIMBURSE HIM.
HE HAD A GO FUND ME ACCOUNT THAT PAID A SMALL PORTION OF IT,
BUT IT WAS AN UNDUE BURDEN PUT ON HE AND HIS FAMILY.
SECOND, OUR CURRENT COLLEAGUE LEAVING SOON ORLANDO GUDES AND
AGAIN I WON'T REIT GATE THAT SITUATION, BUT THE -- THE --
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH HE SPENT BUT A JUDGE HAS TWICE
THROWN OUT THE COURT CASE AGAINST HIM, WHICH MEETS THE TEST
OF THE STATE BEING ALLOWING US TO REIMBURSE.
AND -- AND IF WE LOOK AT THE SITUATION AS WE TALKED ABOUT IN
THE LAST MEETING, THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE
BOTH WERE INVOLVED IN -- IN PUBLICIZING POTENTIAL LITIGATION
WHICH -- WHICH IN BOTH CASES WHICH -- WHICH POTENTIALLY LED
TO -- OR WAS THE CAUSE OF THE LITIGATION.
IN BOTH CASES, THE CITY HAS LIABILITY IF WE DON'T
PROACTIVELY REIMBURSE FOR EXPENSES.
I WILL ASK -- SINCE I AM NOT ALLOWED TO ASK IN A PRIVATE
FORUM.
I WILL ASK IF HE HASN'T ALREADY FOR COUNCILMAN GUDES TO
SUBMIT WHATEVER COST TO CATEGORY AND UPON THE ADVICE OF THE
CITY ATTORNEY THAT I OR SOMEONE BRING THIS UP BECAUSE IT IS
NOT FAIR FOR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO BE SUED IN OBLIVION
WITHOUT SUPPORT.
10:55:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
10:55:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN --
10:55:18AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I DIDN'T GET -- RESTATE THE MOTION.
COUNCIL, JUST IN GENERAL, BECAUSE THIS CAME UP TODAY.
AND MOVING FORWARD, I AM GOING TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION TOWN
THE ROAD, BUT WHEN YOU TEAM YOUR MOTIONS, GENERALLY
SPEAKING, JUST DO IT IN THE MINE SET THAT YOU WANT TO SEE
WHAT IS GOING TO APPEAR ON PAPER, ON THE AGENDA, BECAUSE
THAT IS REFLECTED IN PAPERER AND IT IS DISTRIBUTED -- AND
GOES TO STAFF.
SO JUST BE MINDFUL OF THE FACT WHEN YOU HAVE A DISCUSSION
AND YOU WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION, PUT IT IN THE FORM THAT YOU
WANT IT TO APPEAR WHEN IT COMES BACK SO IT TRULY REFLECTS
WHAT YOUR INTENTION IS.
10:55:59AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF YOU ALL DOPE MIND.
LET ME JUST TRY TO MAKE A MOTION.
I WILL ASK THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY AND CITY ATTORNEY
RETURN ON APRIL 6 TO DISCUSS -- APRIL -- I AM TRYING TO DO
IT -- APRIL 20.
CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY AND CITY ATTORNEY TO RETURN ON APRIL
20 TO DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF REIMBURSING FORMER COUNCIL.
MEMBER DINGFELDER AND GUDES FOR THEIR LEGAL FEES.
10:56:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
10:56:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU SECONDED?
A MOTION BE COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
COUNCILMAN MERIDIAN.
10:56:43AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I JUST DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THESE
CASES TO GET INVOLVED.
AND I DON'T KNOW -- I HAVEN'T FOLLOWED EITHER ONE OF THOSE
CASES SO I AM NOT GOING TO VOTE YES.
10:56:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:56:59AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ONCE AGAIN, MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE A GOOD
COUNCILMEMBER.
AT THIS TIME A LOT OF LITIGATION DONE WITH THE CITY AFTER I
LEAVE.
A LOT OF LITIGATION.
SO I PREFER AT THIS TIME -- I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS, BUT
WE HAVE GOOD ATTORNEYS ON BOARD.
WE HAVE A FEW MORE HURDLES TO CLIMB.
AND SOME THINGS THAT WILL HAPPEN.
SO I -- I THANK YOU, BUT I WILL WISH FOR YOU TO RETRACT THE
MOTION AND WE WILL DEAL WITH THE SITUATION IF.
10:57:33AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AMEND MY MOTION TO REMOVE COUNCILMAN GUDES
AND DISCUSS FORMER COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:57:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
10:57:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
JUST FOR THE RECORD, WITHDRAW YOUR FIRST
MOTION ARMED GO AHEAD.
10:57:45AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WITHDRAW THE FIRST MOTION, AND NEW MOTION
WOULD BE TO ASK THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY AND CITY ATTORNEY
TO RETURN ON APRIL 20 TO DISCUSS THE -- THE POSSIBILITY OF
REIMBURSING FORMER COUNCILMEMBER DINGFELDER FOR HIS LEGAL
FEES.
10:58:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
JUST A DISCUSSION?
10:58:06AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
10:58:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BE COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:58:13AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WISH WE HAD MORE TIME.
10:58:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE GOT TO GO.
10:58:17AM >>LUIS VIERA:
AND I -- I KNOW COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
I DON'T WANT TO VOTE NO ON THIS, BUT I WILL JUST SAY IT, I
WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I AM TIRED OF WHAT I HAVE TO CALL
THE CITY COUNCIL CULTURE WARS.
WE CONTINUE TO -- TO DEAL WITH ISSUES AGAIN AND AGAIN AND
AGAIN AND AGAIN.
I AM NOT CASTING BLAME ON ANYBODY, BUT JUST SOMETHING THAT I
AM PERSONALLY VERY, VERY TIERED OF.
ALL I AM SAYING.
SEEMS THAT WE CONTINUE TO ESCA LATE THIS THINGS AND GET
HOTTER AND HOTTER AND HOTTER ON THESE ISSUES.
AND, AGAIN, WITH -- WITH TWO MINUTES ON SOMETHING THAT
SOMETHING -- SOMEBODY I HAVE KNOWN FOR A WHILE WHEN THERE
COULD BE LEGAL ISSUES WITH THIS.
YOU KNOW WHAT, CAN THIS BE BROUGHT UP THIS EVENING WHEN I
CAN TALK TO LEGAL ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I WOULD HATE TO
PREMATURELY VOTE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WITH DEFERENCE.
10:59:08AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF WE PUT IT CONTINUE TO THE AGENDA -- IS
JUST ASKING FOR DISCUSS DISCUSSION ON IT.
10:59:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT IS JUST -- YEAH, SECOND.
10:59:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
WILL SHELBY, DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING?
YOU LOOK LIKE YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING.
10:59:27AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, I DO LOOK THAT WAY, DON'T I?
10:59:33AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CROSSED EYE A BIT, YEAH.
10:59:36AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE PARTIES
INVOLVED, IS AN UNANTICIPATED MOTION ON MY PART.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT IS OUT OF ORDER.
CERTAINLY CAN BE VOTED ON, BUT I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN VIERA
WAS -- I WON'T ASK YOU TO PUT IT IN THE FORM OF A MOTION
UNLESS SOMETHING YOU WANT.
I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT COUNCIL -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE
EFFECT OF THIS.
THIS IS UNUSUAL TO BE DISCUSSED.
11:00:02AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TURNS OUT WE CAN'T DO IT -- SHELBY SHE WILL
HOW ARE YOU FRAMING TO DISCUSS --
11:00:07AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TO DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF REIMBURSING --
11:00:11AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OUTER LOOP OKAY.
THAT IS ON THE AGENDA AND WE CAN WORK THAT OUT.
DO YOU HAVE AN ISSUE ABOUT THAT?
THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE 11:00.
11:00:22AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I AM GOING TO VOTE YES OUT OF COURTESY TO
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, ETC.
AND IT IS FOR DISCUSSION, BUT, AGAIN, MY OBJECTIONS ARE --
ARE ON THIS BUT OUT OF COURTESY I WILL.
11:00:35AM >>BILL CARLSON:
FOR THE RECORD AND COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
NOBODY ON HIS BEHALF HAVE ASKED ME TO DO THIS.
MY OWN PRINCIPLE TOP PASS THIS AS A DETERRENT TOP PREVENT
CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO BE ATTACKED IN THE FUTURE.
11:00:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BE COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
11:01:03AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
11:01:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
11:01:05AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:01:07AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
11:01:08AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:01:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:01:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO.
11:01:12AM >>CLERK:
MOTION PASSED WITH MIRANDA AND CITRO VOTING NO.
11:01:18AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION IT
IS 11:00.
11:01:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
SKIP WITH THE INFORMATION REPORTS RIGHT NOW.
WE ARE NOW --
11:01:26AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU CAN READ.
IF YOU CAN READ --
11:01:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WILL, BUT ADJOURNED FOR THE FIRST ONE.
11:01:32AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NOT ADJOURNED -- I WANT TO BE CLEAR FOR THE
RECORD.
YOU ARE IN SESSION.
YOU ARE REMAINING IN SESSION.
AND YOU ARE READING THIS DURING THE SESSION.
11:01:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IN ACCORDANCE TO FLORIDA STATUTE 286.0118,
WE WILL PROCEED TO A CLOSED ATTORNEY-CLIENT TO DISCUSS
NEGOTIATIONS IN THE CASE OF ROBERT VAZZO AND THE CITY OF
TAMPA, CASE NUMBER 817CV 02896 WHICH IS CURRENTLY PENDING IN
THE MIDDLE DISTRICT OF FLORIDA.
THIS CLOSED SESSION IS ESTIMATED TO LAST A TOTAL OF 45
MINUTES AND WILL BE RECORDED BY A CERTIFIED COURT REPORTER.
THE NAMES OF THE PERSONS ATTENDING THE CLOSED SESSION ARE AS
FOLLOWS: COUNCILMEMBER CITRO.
COUNCIL MEMBER BILL CARLSON, BILL GUDES, LYNN HURTAK, GUIDO
MANISCALCO, CHARLIE MIRANDA, LUIS VIERA CITY COUNCIL MARTIN
SHELBY, CITY ATTORNEY ANDREA ZELMAN, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY
DAVID HARVEY.
AND CERTIFIED COURT REPORTER DEBBIE GUEST, FROM REPORTERS ON
MADISON.
AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE CLOSED ATTORNEY-CLIENT SESSION,
THIS MEETING WILL BE REOPENED AND I WILL ANNOUNCE THE
DETERMINATION OF THE SESSION.
A TRANSCRIPT -- A TRANSCRIPT OF THE CLOSED ATTORNEY-CLIENT
HAD HAD BEEN MADE PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD UPON CONCLUSION
OF LITIGATION OF THE VAZZO CASE.
WE WILL GO TO THE CONFERENCE ROOM ON THE 8th FLOOR.
11:03:17AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FOR THE CLOSED SESSION, THANK YOU.
[CLOSED SESSION]
11:51:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
11:51:10AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
11:51:15AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
11:51:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
11:51:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
11:51:18AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
11:51:22AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
11:51:23AM >>CLERK:
YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
11:51:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY, YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING BEFORE
I MAKE A STATEMENT.
11:51:33AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, COUNCIL, THIS WAS A CLOSED SESSION.
EVERYTHING THAT WAS SAID UPSTAIRS, PLEASE BE MINDFUL THAT IT
IS IT KEPT IN CLOSED SESSION.
A TRANSCRIPT WILL HAD BEEN PROVIDED AT THE END OF THIS
LITIGATION.
THANK YOU.
11:51:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AT THIS TIME, I AM GOING TO ANNOUNCE THE
DISCUSSION IN THE CLOSED ATTORNEY-CLIENT SESSION OF THE CASE
OF ROBERT VAZZO VERSUS THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS BEEN
TERMINATED.
THANK YOU.
WE WILL WAIT FOR INFORMATION REPORTS AT TONIGHT'S
SESSION.
SO NOW WE ARE AT RECESS UNTIL 5:01P.M.

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