TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, APRIL 6, 2023, 9:00 A.M.

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09:01:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GOOD MORNING.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON -- GOOD MORNING.
CITY COUNCIL HELD THIS DAY, APRIL 6, 2023.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
I BELIEVE YOU HAVE INVOCATION.
09:01:36AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES, HE IS WALKING IN.
SEPTEMBER 15, 2013, AARON AND HIS WIFE, KATIE, TOOK A
STEP OF FAITH AND PLANTED RADIANT CHURCH.
THEIR DREAM OF SEEING TAMPA BAY IMPACTED WITH KINGDOM
OF GOD -- SORRY, I RAN UPSTAIRS.
DAILY BECOMING A REALITY.
RADIANT CHURCH HAS SEEN GROWTH AND EXPANSION WITH SEVEN
PHYSICAL LOCATIONS AND AN ONLINE CAMPUS.
AARON HAS A HEART FOR MULTIPLICATION AND HAS PLANS TO
CONTINUE TO OPEN LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT TAMPA BAY.
THEY FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT THE BEST IS YET TO COME FOR RADIANT
CHURCH IN TAMPA BAY.
AARON GRADUATED FROM SOUTHEAST UNIVERSITY AND RECEIVED
A MASTER'S OF ADMINISTRATION.
AND CREATED HIS DOCTORATE IN 2020.
HE AND HIS WIFE HAVE BEEN MARRIED AND HAVE THREE CHILDREN.
ONE OF THE CAMPUSES IS NEAR WHERE I USED TO LIVE IN BRITTON
PLAZA.
YOU CAN'T GET A PARKING SPACE IN BRITTON PLAZA ANYWHERE ON A
SUNDAY BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THIS CHURCH.
ALSO, MY FRIEND PEGGY LAMB IS HAVING SURGERY SO KEEP HER IN YOUR
PRAYERS.
09:03:00AM >> AN HONOR TO BE WITH Y'ALL.
WE ARE ALWAYS PRAYING WITH YOU ALL AND TAKE A MOMENT TO PRAY
ON THIS HOLY WEEK ALSO.
FATHER GOD, WE COME TO YOU TODAY, AND THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU
ARE DOING IN THE TAMPA AREA.
WE THANK YOU FOR OUR COUNCILMEN AND COUNCILWOMAN AND WHAT THEY DO
FOR OUR COMMUNITIES.
WE PRAY ESPECIALLY THIS WEEK FOR -- DURING A HOLY WEEK THAT
WE WILL KEEP OUR FOCUS ON WHAT YOU -- ON WHAT THIS WEEK
MEANS.
THANK YOU FOR OUR JEWISH BROTHERS AND SISTERS ON PASSOVER
AND WHAT THAT MEANS, AND OBVIOUSLY FOR US AS CHRISTIANS, WHAT
IT MEANS AND WHAT YOU DID ON THE CROSS 2,000 YEARS AGO.
I PRAY FOR WISDOM OVER THIS MEETING TODAY.
I PRAY FOR PEGGY AND THE SURGERY THAT IS HAPPENING.
PRAY HEALING OVER HER BODY.
AND WE PRAY THAT YOUR HAND OF DIVINE FAVOR WILL REST ON OUR
CITY, ON OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
LORD, YOU CONTINUE TO KEEP US SAFE, PROTECT US, AND LET US
HONOR YOU.
AND THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING IN OUR LIVES.
IN YOUR NAME, WE PRAY.
AMEN.
09:03:59AM >> AMEN.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:04:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE BE SEATED.
ROLL CALL.
09:04:16AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
09:04:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
09:04:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
09:04:24AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
09:04:25AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
09:04:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I'M HERE.
09:04:27AM >>CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:04:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES FROM MARCH
9, MARCH 16, AND MARCH 23, 2023.
MOTION HAS BEEN MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
LET'S GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA AND THE ADDENDUM
OF THE AGENDA.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:04:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE A REQUEST.
IF WE CAN PULL ITEM NUMBER 84 FOR DISCUSSION, AND IT IS WITH A
CHANGE ORDER WITH NELSON CONSTRUCTION.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, AND THAT IS UNDER MY COMMITTEE.
IF WE CAN PULL 84 FOR DISCUSSION.
09:05:13AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SECOND.
09:05:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WOULD LIKE THAT DURING OUR STAFF REPORTS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
MOTION DOES PASS.
MISS TRAVIS, GOOD MORNING.
09:05:35AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
GOOD TO SEE YOU GUYS THIS MORNING.
NICOLE TRAVIS, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY.
WE HAVE A WALK-ON FOR APPROVING THE MASTER INFRASTRUCTURE
FOR RIVERWALK FOR ROME YARD.
WE BRIEFED YOU ALL ON THIS, TO NO FAULT OF THE APPLICANT OR
THE CITY STAFF, IT WAS A GLITCH WITH THE NEWSPAPER AND THE
NOTICING OF THIS IN THIS ASSIGNMENT.
WE ARE ASKING YOU TO SET A HEARING FOR THIS APRIL.
09:06:08AM >> SO MOVED.
09:06:09AM >> SECOND.
09:06:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
MR. SHELBY.
09:06:21AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE CLERK HAVE A COPY OF THE RESOLUTION?
OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:06:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
09:06:29AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
THANK YOU.
09:06:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SHALL WE GO THROUGH THE STAFF REPORT ITEMS
NOW, MISS TRAVIS?
09:06:35AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WOULD THAT BE -- I WAS WONDERING IF THE
CHIEF WILL BE ON.
09:06:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HE IS NOT.
CHIEF IS NOT ON?
09:06:53AM >> NO, HE IS OFF.
09:06:54AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
SORRY, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THE CHIEF OF
STAFF?
HE IS NOT IN TODAY.
I THINK -- YEAH, YOU JUST TELL US IF -- ANY OF THEM YOU WANT
TO PULL, AND WE WILL MAKE SURE STAFF IS HERE THIS AFTERNOON.
09:07:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY MAKER OF THE
MOTION IS HAPPY WITH THE MEMO OR WANTS TO ACTUALLY HAVE
STAFF IN ATTENDANCE.
09:07:16AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
PERFECT, THANK YOU.
09:07:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 88.
WHO IS THE MAKER OF THAT MOTION?
THAT IS A RESOLUTION.
RESOLUTION.
RESOLUTION, RESOLUTION.
NUMBER 90.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:07:29AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
09:07:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OKAY.
NUMBER 91 IS -- COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:07:36AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
09:07:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
92.
09:07:39AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
09:07:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
93, COUNCILMAN VIERA?
CONTINUED ON MAY 4?
09:07:46AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YEAH, IT IS ACTUALLY FUNNY -- LET ME TAKE IT
OFF THE AGENDA.
NO NEED FOR A CONTINUANCE FOR THAT.
I KNOW THIS WILL SOUND WEIRD, I DON'T RECALL MAKING THIS
MOTION AS IT IS THERE.
SO I HAVE TO GO BACK AND SEE.
LET'S TAKE IT OFF, AND I WILL TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
MOTION TO REMOVE FROM THE AGENDA.
09:08:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
MOTION CARRIES.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, 94?
09:08:16AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, PLEASE.
09:08:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, 95?
96, COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
09:08:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK THAT IS ME -- OH, NO.
HE.
09:08:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
STAFF WANTS TO MOVE ALL THE PURE DISCUSSIONS
TO --
09:08:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OCTOBER 25 -- OR MAY 25.
09:08:37AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD RATHER TAKE THEM ALL OFF THE AGENDA
COMPLETELY, BUT ANYWAY, I WOULD MOVE TO MOVE IT TO MAY 25
UNLESS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK OBJECTS.
09:08:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
WE WILL HAVE --
09:08:59AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, GETTING BACK TO NUMBER 96 --
AND STATED THIS IN THE MEMO.
THERE ARE ITEMS THAT ARE SET FOR THE MAY 4 MEETING RELATING
TO PURE AND WASTEWATER REUSE.
AND THE SUGGESTION IS TO CONTINUE THOSE ITEMS.
MOVE THEM FROM THE 4th OF MAY AND MOST OF THEM TO BE WITH THE
WORKSHOP ON MAY 25.
09:09:24AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SO MOVED.
09:09:29AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
09:09:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO MOVE.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
MOTION CARRIED.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, THIS NEEDS TO BE CONTINUED?
09:09:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NEEDS TO BE CONTINUED UNTIL MAY 4.
09:09:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DO THAT ON THE 25th.
09:09:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOT 4th.
09:09:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
TO MAY 4.
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
THE LAST ONE, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
OCEA WYNN WILL BE HERE.
09:10:06AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CONTINUE ON THE 15th, THAT IS FINE.
09:10:10AM >> SECOND.
09:10:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CHANGING IT TO THE 15th?
OKAY, MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
09:10:21AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN.
DID YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT?
09:10:29AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
BRIEFLY OF MORRIS MASSEY FROM THE LEGAL
DEPARTMENT.
YOU PULLED 64 FOR UNDER THE ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE IN
RELATIONSHIP TO THE SETTLEMENT OF THE LAWSUIT ITEM.
THAT NEEDS TO BE SPECIFICALLY DISCUSSED BEFORE THE
SETTLEMENT IS APPROVED.
09:10:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO MOVED.
09:10:46AM >> SECOND.
09:10:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
FAVOR.
OPPOSED?
MR. MASSEY.
WE ARE ALSO GOING TO HAVE MISS JOHNS COME IN WITH THE RESO?
THAT WAS AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER 12, 79, AND 94 WILL ALSO BE
PULLED FOR ADMINISTRATIVE.
09:11:13AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
12 IS ON YOUR AGENDA.
A SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE I SUBMITTED.
WHEN THAT COMES UP, I WILL DISCUSS THE SUBSTANTIVE
ORDINANCE.
09:11:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
79 AND 94.
09:11:26AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
LET'S LOOK AT THAT REAL QUICK.
09:11:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CONTINUED UNTIL MAY 4.
09:11:32AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THANK YOU.
09:11:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:11:35AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH REGARD TO A -- THE MEMO
FROM NICOLE TRAVIS RELATING TO THE -- TO THE RESCHEDULING OF
THE -- OF THE ITEM NUMBER 99, IT WAS ALSO MENTIONED THAT
THERE ARE TWO RELATED ITEMS RELATING TO -- AND I WILL SET
FORTH CM 22-77483 REGARDING NAMING -- NAMING --
09:11:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY, ITEM 99 --
09:12:03AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
97.
09:12:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
97.
09:12:07AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
NUMBER 97.
THAT WAS CONTINUED TO MAY -- TO --
09:12:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MAY 4.
09:12:15AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT WAS CONTINUED TO JUNE OR MAY 4.
09:12:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK CONTINUED IT TO MAY 4.
09:12:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MAY 4, THAT IS WHAT THE REQUEST WAS.
09:12:26AM >> THEY ARE REQUESTING TWO OTHER ITEMS --
[INAUDIBLE]
09:12:31AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BUT I BELIEVE I AM REFERRING TO -- NOT
NUMBER 97 BUT NUMBER 98.
EAST TAMPA REGIONAL FACILITY?
[INAUDIBLE]
09:13:04AM >>CLERK:
THEY WANT TO MOVE TO MAY 4.
09:13:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL MOVE THAT, EXACTLY.
09:13:10AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT CLEANS UP THAT ITEM.
09:13:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE TO MAKE THAT -- I MOVE TO -- MOVE ALL
OF THEM TO MAY 4.
09:13:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:13:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NUMBER 79, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PULL
BECAUSE THEY HAVE -- THEY HAVE A SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION.
WE DON'T HAVE TO PULL IT, BUT I ACTUALLY STILL HAVE A
QUESTION ABOUT IT.
SO I WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO BE PULLED.
09:13:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES, ONE SECOND.
PLEASE, I DO APOLOGIZE.
79, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A MOTION TO APPROVE 79 BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSITION?
MOTION PASSES.
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:14:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I PULLED --
09:14:05AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IS MISS JOHNS GOING TO BE THERE -- I THINK
THAT IS WHO IS HANDLING THIS.
I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HER YESTERDAY ABOUT THIS ITEM.
MISS TRAVIS --
09:14:16AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
ATTORNEY JOHNS WILL BE HERE TO DISCUSS
THAT.
I KNOW SHE HAD A SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION AND WORKING -- SHE
HEARD YOUR COMMENTS AND WORKING TO WORK TOWARD A CLOSING.
BUT SHE WILL BE HERE.
09:14:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER CHANGES?
MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:14:35AM >>BILL CARSON:
IF I COULD REAL FAST, BACK TO ITEM NUMBER 96.
I FORGOT TO MENTION I THINK STAFF WANTED TO MOVE SOME OF
THESE UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION BECAUSE THE VOTES MAY CHANGE.
UNTIL SOMEBODY IS NOT TELLING THE TRUTH; HOWEVER, THE VOTE
ENDS UP IN THE ELECTION, THERE AREN'T ENOUGH VOTES TO PASS
ANYTHING RELATED TO PURE.
THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE OF THE CAMPAIGN.
THE PUBLIC DOESN'T WANT IT.
I HAVE BEEN ASKED BY WATER EXPERTS TO TRY TO STOP THESE
CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE THEY ARE HURTING THE FUTURE VIABILITY
OF WATER REUSE IN OUR REGION WHICH EVENTUALLY WE WILL NEED.
BUT INCREDIBLE HARM BEING CAUSED NOW BECAUSE ADMINISTRATION
AND OUR WATER DEPARTMENT IS PUSHING THIS QUICKLY WHEN WE DON'T
NEED IT.
I WOULD RATHER THE ADMINISTRATION AND WATER DEPARTMENT WORK
WITH CITY COUNCIL TO HELP US STOP THIS AND CHANGE THE
LEGISLATION IN TALLAHASSEE.
IT IS POSSIBLE TO CHANGE IT.
WE OUGHT TO CHANGE IT AND OUT TO HAVE A LONGER TERM VIEW
THAT IS COLLABORATIVE WITH THE PUBLIC INSTEAD OF PUSHING IT
AGAINST COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC.
THANK YOU.
ONE LAST THING, CITY COUNCIL DOES HAVE THE RIGHT REGARDLESS
OF WHAT EVERYBODY SAYS, CITY COUNCIL HAS THE RIGHT TO
CONTROL OUR OWN AGENDA AND WE CAN DECIDE ON MAY 25 TO TAKE
ALL THIS OFF THE AGENDA IF WE WANT.
THE PUBLIC DOESN'T WANT US TO WASTE TIME AND MONEY
DISCUSSING THIS ANYMORE.
SO I WOULD ASK STAFF TO WORK WITH US COLLABORATIVELY INSTEAD
OF TRYING TO PUSH A NEW ITERATION OF THIS.
THANK YOU.
09:16:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY.
09:16:09AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, THANK YOU.
ONE MORE ITEM TO CLEAN UP RELATIVE TO 98.
98 I BELIEVE IT WAS CONTINUED TO JUNE 15.
YOUR -- IT WAS YOUR MOTION ORIGINALLY, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:16:20AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CORRECT.
09:16:24AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
CONTINUED TO JUNE 15 THIS MORNING.
A MEMO FROM MISS TRAVIS.
TWO ITEMS SIMILAR SET FOR APRIL 20 AND THE CONTINUANCE
REQUEST FOR THOSE ITEMS ALSO FOR JUNE 15.
TO CLEAR UP THE CALENDAR CMU 22-7483 REGARDING NAMING
FOR SHIRLEY RISLER AND A HONORARY STREET NAMING FOR
SALVATORE MARTINEZ YBOR.
IF THEY CAN BE CONTINUED PER THE ADMINISTRATION'S REQUEST
FOR JUNE 15, 2023.
09:17:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:17:05AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THE GIST OF IT IS, THEY ARE TRYING TO
REDEFINE HOW THE NAMING RIGHTS WILL BE DONE.
ACCORDANCE WITH EVERYBODY.
AND I AM HOPING THAT THE -- THE COORDINATES THAT WE ARE
LOOKING -- THE ORDINANCE WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT COUNCIL WILL
HAVE LEEWAY ALSO WITH THE MAYOR.
SO IT WAS THE SAME ORIGINAL ORDINANCE THAT MR. MASSEY WAS
BRINGING FORTH?
OKAY, I AM FINE WITH THAT.
09:17:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:17:39AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MARTY, IS THERE A QUESTION ABOUT THE TIMING.
SINCE WE ARE VOTING ON THAT AND ALSO THE ORDINANCE TO CHANGE
THE NAMING PROCESS.
SHOULD WE VOTE ON THAT FIRST?
09:17:50AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I THINK THEY ARE INDEPENDENT.
09:17:52AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
MORRIS MASSEY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I BELIEVE THAT IS THE INTENT OF THE REQUEST, THE ORDINANCE
SCHEDULED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION TODAY THAT WILL BE
BROUGHT BACK FOR SECOND READING IN MAY SOME TIME.
THEN REAL ESTATE WILL GO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RENAMING
REQUEST BASED ON THE ORDINANCE.
09:18:09AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THEY WORK TOGETHER.
09:18:11AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THAT IS THE IDEA.
09:18:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO MOVED.
09:18:13AM >> SECOND.
09:18:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSE?
MOTION DOES PASS.
09:18:21AM >> ANY OTHER CHANGES.
THERE IS MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
MOTION DOES PASS.
LET'S MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM -- AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1.
FILE NUMBER B 2020-10.
A 10-MINUTE UPDATE FROM THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION.
MR. BHIDE.
09:18:54AM >>VIK BHIDE:
GOOD MORNING, CHAIR.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
THIS IS THE QUARTERLY UPDATE FROM THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION.
TODAY, IRA CASH WITH FDOT DISTRICT 7.
I BELIEVE THEY ARE ONLINE.
PROJECT -- I WOULD LIKE.
09:19:31AM >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY.
09:19:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GOOD MORNING.
09:19:34AM >> MY NAME IS ADA CASH.
IT IS NOT READY.
09:19:44AM >>VIK BHIDE:
DO WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION UP?
I THINK IT WAS SUBMITTED EARLIER THIS WEEK.
09:19:55AM >> YES.
09:19:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CAN YOU PLEASE ENLARGE IT FOR US.
09:20:21AM >> WE CAN SEE IT.
JUST NEED TO MAKE IT LARGER.
09:20:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, PLEASE, MAKE IT LARGER.
09:20:44AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK YOU NEED TO JUST HIT PRESENTATION
MODE.
09:21:03AM >> CAN YOU SEE THE SCREEN NOW?
09:21:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, MA'AM.
09:21:09AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS ADA CASH, AND I AM THE PROJECT MANAGER OF
INTERSECTION OF BOY SCOUT BOULEVARD AND LOIS AVENUE
INTERSECTION.
WE ARE VERY PROUD TO PRESENT THIS INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT.
THE CONSTRUCTION WAS COMPLETED EXACTLY TWO WEEKS AGO.
THIS PROJECT IMPROVED THE INTERSECTION CAPACITY BY ADDING A
EASTBOUND RIGHT-TURN LANE FROM BOY SCOUT BOULEVARD TO
SOUTHBOUND OF LOIS AVENUE AND THIS IS SHOWN IN THE BLUE --
WITH THE BLUE SHADE.
THIS IS BOY SCOUT AND LOIS AVENUE.
IT ALSO PROVIDES A BICYCLE KEYHOLE LANE THAT I WILL SHOW YOU
IN THE NEXT SLIDE.
REPLACES THE EXISTING SIDEWALK TO MEET CURRENT STANDARD.
AND THESE INTERSECTIONS WAS SELECTED ON ONE OF THE EARLY
WORKS PROJECT FOR THE WESTSHORE INTERSECTION.
BASED ON TRAFFIC VOLUMES.
IT WILL DIVERT TRAFFIC DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE
WESTSHORE INTERCHANGE.
THIS IS THE EXISTING CONDITION.
WE SEE FOUR THRU LANES, AND A LEFT-TURN LANE AND LOIS
AVENUE.
THIS IS SHOWING THE NEW IMPROVEMENT LOOKING EAST ON BOY
SCOUT BOULEVARD.
AND THIS IS SHOWING THE RIGHT-TURN LANE HERE, THE BICYCLE
KEYHOLE LANE.
FIVE FEET BICYCLE KEYHOLE LANE FOR BICYCLISTS TO TRAVEL
SAFELY THROUGH THE INTERSECTION AND ANOTHER VIEW ON THE
RIGHT SIDE.
THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW.
THIS IS THE NEW SIDEWALK MEETING CURRENT STANDARDS.
AND THIS IS OUR PRESENTATION FOR THE PROJECT.
09:23:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY QUESTIONS?
ANY QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:23:36AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IS THAT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION?
09:23:39AM >> YES, SIR.
SHORT AND SWEET.
09:23:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WAS ASKED BY CONSTITUENTS TO PASS ON A
COUPLE OF THINGS TO VIK AND FDOT.
NUMBER ONE IS, IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO GET FROM MacDILL AIR
FORCE BASE UP TO THE SELMON OR EVEN UP TO BAY TO BAY.
SO THEY HAVE ASKED, IS IT POSSIBLE TO TIME THE
LIGHTS?
IN SOME WAYS, IT IS A NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE BECAUSE HIGH-POWERED
PEOPLE FROM MacDILL ARE STUCK IN TRAFFIC THERE.
ONE REQUEST.
SECOND IS THAT -- AND VIK KNOWS THIS, WE HAVE ASKED -- WE
HAVE ASKED VIK TO WORK WITH YOU ALL AND THE COUNTY AND
OTHERS TO TRY TO COORDINATE PROJECTS.
THERE IS -- THERE ARE MULTIPLE ROADS BEING BLOCKED IN THE
SOUTH OF GANDY AREA AT THE SAME TIME.
AND PEOPLE CAN'T GET TO THEIR HOUSES AND ANYTHING YOU CAN TO
DO HELP BETTER COORDINATE WITH -- I AM NOT BLAMING ON ANY
ONE ENTITY, BUT MORE THAT ALL THE GROUPS WITH COORDINATE TO
TIME THE SHUTDOWN OF ROADS THE BETTER BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE
VERY FRUSTRATED OF BEING SHUT DOWN FROM MULTIPLE ANGLES AND
THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT SHUTDOWNS ARE HAPPENING.
ANY HELP YOU CAN GIVE WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.
THANK YOU.
09:24:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:24:58AM >>VIK BHIDE:
WE WILL WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS AT FDOT ON BOTH.
I KNOW THAT ON DALE MABRY SPECIFICALLY, WE REVIEWED THE
TIMING SEVERAL TIMES.
AND FDOT HAS THEIR CONSULTANTS.
AS FAR AS PROJECTS SOUTH OF GANDY, WE ARE AWARE OF THE
COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS AND WE CONTINUE TO WORK TO MAKE SURE
THAT OUR RIGHT-OF-WAY PERMITS ARE SEPARATED IN TIME FOR THE
-- IT IS PRETTY BROAD TIME WINDOW BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE
APPROPRIATE DIGITAL TOOLS TO GIVE THEM A MUCH SHORTER WINDOW
TO GET THEIR JOB DONE.
WE ARE WORKING ON THAT.
AND THIS PROCUREMENT WILL COME UP IN FRONT OF COUNCIL THAT
WILL ADDRESS THAT SPECIFIC ISSUE OF MULTIPLE WORK ZONES ON A
SINGLE ROADWAY WITHIN SHORT DISTANCES.
09:25:54AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
09:25:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY ELSE?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
HAVE A GOOD DAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, FDOT.
09:26:02AM >> THANK YOU.
09:26:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION.
WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF YOU WERE HERE TO SPEAK ON ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA,
PLEASE COME UP TO THE LECTERN.
YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES AND SAY YOUR NAME.
IF ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
YES, SIR, GO AHEAD.
09:26:20AM >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE, WHEN YOU SEE ME, IT IS ABOUT
VETERANS AND THEIR FAMILIES.
I AM ELLSWORTH WILLIAM, PRESIDENT OF VETERANS.
WE COLLOCATED WITH POST 5.
I COME TO YOU TODAY -- I COULDN'T DO IT LAST WEEK BECAUSE
APRIL STARTED ON SATURDAY.
APRIL IS CONSIDERED SEXUAL ASSAULT AND AWARENESS MONTH.
THAT IS WHAT I'M HERE TO MAKE SURE THE COUNCIL KNOWS AND ARE
AWARE OF IT.
SEXUAL ASSAULT IN THE MILITARY.
IT CONTINUES TO INCREASE IN THE MILITARY.
NOT ONLY INCREASE 16% IN ACTIVE DUTY AND MacDILL AIR FORCE
BASE DOWN THE STREET AND IN THE ACADEMIES.
AND HERE -- NOT ONLY DO WE DEAL WITH THE ACTIVE DUTY BUT
AFTEREFFECTS.
IF YOU ARE DEALING WITH SOMEONE WHO SUFFERED FROM SEXUAL
TRAUMA.
WOMEN VETERAN HAVE TWICE THE RATE OF SUICIDE.
AND THE REASON WHY IS MILITARY SEXUAL ASSAULT.
I WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION TO BE AWARE OF
SEXUAL ASSAULT AWARENESS MONTH.
AND INFORMATION TO COUNCILMAN VIERA.
STARTING MONDAY, WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING A STREAMING
TO ADDRESS MILITARY SEXUAL TRAUMA FOR THE WHOLE MONTH OF
APRIL.
A FOLLOW-UP, AWARENESS IS THE DOING PART.
FOLLOW-UP WITH THE VETERANS COUNCIL.
HAVE A SECOND ANNUAL MILITARY SEXUAL TRAUMA CONFERENCE ON
THE 9th AND 10th OF JUNE.
FINALLY, I WANT TO MENTION VERY IMPORTANT FOR US AS A COUNTY
AND AS A CITY.
FLORIDA HAS THE SECOND LARGEST WOMEN VETERAN POPULATION.
THE RESOURCES DOESN'T MATCH IT.
AND YOU CAN ONLY SIT AND ASSUME THAT IF THE ARMY -- THE
MILITARY HAS A PROBLEM WITH SEXUAL ASSAULT, THEN THE CITY
WILL HAVE ONE AS WELL.
AND WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF IT AND MAYBE IN THE FUTURE FIND
SOME WAY TO HELP.
TO TAKE THE PAIN AND SUFFERING FROM THE FAMILIES WHO ARE
SUFFERED FROM THE MILITARY SEXUAL ASSAULT.
THAT'S ALL.
I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP.
09:28:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:28:20AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WANT TO THANK ELLSWORTH FOR COMING UP HERE.
A GREAT GUY AND I APPRECIATE YOU.
THE COUNTY COMMISSION HONORED YOU, AND I WAS THERE FOR THE
AMAZING WORK.
IF YOU WANT TO CALL ME AFTER THIS, AND I AM GLAD TO SET
SOMETHING UP.
TO GO IN -- IF YOU WANT TO DO LIKE A -- YOU KNOW, SOMETHING
LIVE ON FACEBOOK OR WHATEVER ON THIS TOPIC.
WE MET BEFORE ON THIS IMPORTANT TOPIC.
FOR THOSE OF YOU ALL THAT DON'T KNOW, ELLSWORTH TOOK UP THE
CAUSE OF NOT JUST VETERANS BUT ALL VETERANS, TAKE UP THE
CAUSE OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS IGNORED DURING JIM CROW.
TAKE UP THE CAUSE OF WOMEN ASSAULTED AND CONTINUE TO BE
ASSAULTED IN THE MILITARY.
YOU TAKE UP THE CAUSE OF LGBTQ VETERANS, ANYBODY THAT
SERVES.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
OUR GREAT GUY AND GOD BLESS YOU.
LET'S CONNECT AFTER THIS.
09:29:15AM >> THANK YOU.
09:29:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, MA'AM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
09:29:20AM >> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS JOYCE CHISLER.
I HAVE BEEN IN MY RESIDENCE SINCE 1981, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF
COMPLAINTS.
A LOT OF ACTIVITY.
DRUG ACTIVITY.
HALFWAY UP THE STREET.
09:29:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHAT IS THE STREET, 3201?
09:29:47AM >> 3201.
A LOT OF COMPLAINTS MADE AGAINST THE HOUSE 48th STREET AND
23rd AVENUE.
23rd AVENUE IS A STOP SIGN.
3201, THEY HAD A LOT OF ACTIVITY.
A LOT OF COPS COME OVER TO THE HOUSE.
THEIR BLOCKING THE STOP SIGN.
I HAVE BEEN CALLING THE SECURITY TO COME OUT TO SEE WHAT IS
GOING ON WITH THE CAR.
I ASKED THEM MANY TIMES TO MOVE THE CAR.
THEY DO CAR WASH.
THEY WASH CARS ON 48th STREET.
WE DON'T -- THEY DON'T HAVE NO LICENSE.
THEY GOT A CITATION FROM THE CITY ABOUT THAT.
BUT THEY ARE STILL DOING IT.
AND PEOPLE LIKE ME PAY OUR PROPERTY TAX EVERY YEAR.
WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO LIVE LIKE THAT.
WE WANT THE CONDITION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT PEOPLE LIKE
THAT, THEY AIN'T GOING TO LET THAT BE.
ALSO LIVE NEXT DOOR TO THEM.
AND HE SEE ALL OF THAT GOING ON.
HE TOLD ME IF YOU WANT TO COME DOWN 23rd AVENUE AND THE CAR
GO THE OTHER WAY.
I SAY THAT IS NOT RIGHT.
SO I WISH YOU CAN REACH OUT AND TRY TO HELP THIS
NEIGHBORHOOD.
I WENT THROUGH THE MOBILITY.
I TALKED TO SOMEONE.
I TRIED TO GET A NO PARKING SIGN.
THEY SAY THEY CAN'T GIVE NO -- NO PARKING SIGN.
ALSO.
I ASKED FOR A THREE-WAY STOP SIGN.
CARS PASSING.
60, 70 MILES.
WE ARE NOT GETTING NOWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I WANTED THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO UPGRADE.
ALSO I CALLED THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, AND I TALKED TO A LADY, AND
SHE SAID SHE IS GOING TO SEE WHAT SHE CAN DO.
BUT I SAY TO Y'ALL, PLEASE, PLEASE HELP THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
48th STREET AND 23rd AVENUE.
THANK YOU.
09:31:53AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:31:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:31:56AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
C.T., CAN YOU COME OUT -- I DIDN'T SEE YOU
KELLY.
IF WE GET HER INFORMATION, WE CAN GET TO THAT CODE
ENFORCEMENT.
I KNOW WHAT SHE IS TALKING ABOUT, AND SHE IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
YOU KNOW, SHE IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
WE NEED TO GET SOME PEOPLE OVER THERE TO KIND OF CLEAN THAT
UP BECAUSE THAT IS BEEN FOR YEARS AND GONE THROUGH A LITTLE
BIT.
MAYBE WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE MORE AGGRESSIVE IN THAT AREA
BECAUSE SHE IS TOTALLY CORRECT.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:32:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NEXT, PLEASE.
09:32:24AM >> JUST CAME UP.
I SEE WE ONLY GET THREE MINUTES, BUT JUST BEEP BECAUSE WE
-- YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND -- I APPRECIATE THE
WORK THAT YOU ALL DO.
A LOT OF GENERATIONAL GAP SO HARD TO FILL THEM IN.
THIS YOUNG GENERATION DOING THEIR OWN THING.
THEY ARE DOING IT.
SHE IS OLDER.
SO THEY ARE STRESSING HER OUT.
SHE HAS BEEN THERE SINCE '81 AND NO RESPECT FOR THE ELDERLY.
THAT IS WHY THE COUNTRY IS THE WAY IT IS.
I AM NOT GOING TO GET INTO THAT.
I WILL MANAGE THAT SHORT THOUGH.
I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT Y'ALL ARE DOING IF YOU CAN GIVE
HER SOME OF WHAT -- TO KIND OF GET BECAUSE A LOT OF THE
OLDER PEOPLE THAT USED TO DO THINGS LIKE -- MY MOTHER -- A
LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GONE, DEAD OR WHATEVER.
YOU KNOW, RETIRED.
THAT'S WHY TO SPEAK ON HER BEHALF, BECAUSE SHE HAS HIGH
BLOOD PRESSURE.
THEY WASH CARS.
DISRESPECTFUL MUSIC AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
WITH ME -- A LOT OF STUFF DOESN'T BOTHER ME BECAUSE I WAS
ONCE YOUNG.
WITH HER, I SPEAK ON HER BEHALF.
SHE WANTS SOMETHING DONE.
THAT IS ALL -- I CAME TO SPEAK ON HER BEHALF ON 48th STREET
AND 23rd.
YOU KNOW IT IS JUST -- AND THEY RENT.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU RENT, THEY CAN PRETTY MUCH TEAR UP.
WHEN THEY LEAVE -- BUT SHE IS A HOMEOWNER.
ALL TO SAY.
09:33:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
BEFORE YOU LEAVE.
09:33:56AM >> MIKO ROBERTS.
09:33:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, SIR.
09:34:00AM >> APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
09:34:02AM >> HELLO, TAYLOR COOK.
I AM A MEMBER OF TAMPA BAY COMMUNITY ACTION COMMITTEE, AND I
AM IN DISTRICT 5.
RECENTLY CHANGED.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF INDEPENDENT COUNSEL, PER USUAL.
I KNOW TODAY IS THE SECOND READING.
SAME THING I ALWAYS SAY.
IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE MORE TRANSPARENCY WITH
THE POLICE.
WE RECENTLY HAD A CASE WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE OF
POLICE BRUTALITY WHERE SOMEONE CAME TO OUR GROUP AND ASKED
FOR US TO HELP GET ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THEM.
AND THE CRB HAS ACTUALLY BEEN GIVING US A HARD TIME TRYING
TO GET ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THAT PERSON.
AND I THINK IT IS KIND OF DISGUSTING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE
TRYING TO USE THE CRB FOR ITS PURPOSES, AND ITS KIND OF LIKE
A BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE CRB AND THE
POLICE, WHO DON'T WANT US TO INVESTIGATE THE CASE.
SO I JUST THINK THAT THERE IS -- THERE IS A REALLY BIG NEED
FOR ANY TRANSPARENCY.
ANY ACCOUNTABILITY THAT WE CAN GET.
I ALSO WANTED TO RAISE AWARENESS AROUND THE NOW TAMPA FIVE.
FOUR PROTESTERS ARRESTED MARCH 6 AT USF.
AND I DO THINK THIS IS A CITY MATTER.
IF YOU WATCH THE VIDEOS THAT ARE ALL ONLINE -- I WAS THERE
AS WELL.
THE BRUTALITY IS HORRIBLE -- OR WAS HORRIBLE.
I HAVE NIGHTMARES.
IT HAS BEEN A MONTH.
AND I AM STILL HAVING NIGHTMARES ABOUT THAT DAY.
IT WAS QUITE ATROCIOUS.
BUT NOW IT IS TAMPA FIVE, BECAUSE THE SCHOOL IS TRYING TO
RETROACTIVELY CHARGE ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE.
AND IT IS JUST DISGUSTING AND I THINK THE CITY NEEDS TO KNOW
ABOUT IT.
AND THE CITY NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND SHOW
THAT USF CAN'T BRUTALIZE PROTESTERS OR STUDENTS BECAUSE IT
IS OUR RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH.
THANK YOU.
09:36:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
NEXT, PLEASE.
09:36:04AM >> HI, MY NAME IS FILIP FREUND, AND I'M HERE TODAY TO SPEAK IN
FAVOR OF GRANTING THE CRB INDEPENDENT COUNSEL.
BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE TPD HAS A LONG HISTORY OF MISCONDUCT
WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
AND THE CRB IS THE BOARD RESPONSIBLE FOR REVIEWING THAT
MISCONDUCT.
SO I THINK GRANTING THAT BOARD MORE POWER IN ORDER TO BETTER
REVIEW THE MISCONDUCT OF THE POLICE WOULD HELP BOLSTER
SAFETY THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND HELP THE COMMUNITY FEEL MORE
SAFE.
AND LIKE TAYLOR BEFORE ME MENTIONED, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH
THE CRB TRYING TO HELP SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN ASSAULTED
BY TPD.
AND IT HAS BEEN DIFFICULT.
AND PART OF THAT IS DUE TO THE ISSUES WE HAD WITH THE CITY
LAWYER.
THANK YOU.
09:36:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:37:00AM >> ON A COMPLETELY UNRELATED NOTE.
JASON MARLOW TO SPEAK OF AGENDA ITEM 84.
I WANT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE NEVER-ENDING STORY OF THE
CONSTRUCTION GOING ON MY STREET AND THE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS
RESIDENTS, THAT THERE IS A CONTEMPLATION OF GIVING THEM $105
MILLION MORE DOLLARS AND THEY HAVEN'T DONE A GREAT JOB WITH
THE NUMBER -- IS THAT CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 84?
JUST --
09:37:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
105,000.
09:37:33AM >> REMOVE SOME ZEROES.
A LITTLE BIT LESS.
SUFFICE TO SAY, A COMPANY THAT IS NOT CONSIDERATE.
THEY MOVED MY MAILBOX THAT THE MAILPERSON HAS TO HOP OUT OF
HER TRUCK TO PUT THE MAIL IN.
CONSISTENT LACK OF CONSIDERATION FOR OUR NEIGHBORS.
WE HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE OLDER AND HARD TO GET IN AND OUT
OF THEIR CAR.
WE WANT TO HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEADLINES.
I WAS TOLD MY STREET WOULD BE PAVED ENDS OF MARCH.
APRIL 5.
APRIL 10.
SOON APRIL 17 AND NEXT 2024.
WANT TO HOLD THE COMPANIES THAT WE ARE GIVING BIG PUBLIC
MONEY ACCOUNTABLE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
09:38:16AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS DAVID SEMINOFF.
I AM A VOLUNTEER ABOUT THE ACLU, AND I HAVE BEEN A TAMPANIA
-- I CAN'T DO THE MATH -- CLOSE TO 30 YEARS.
MY COLLEAGUE WAS AT THE LAST MEETING SAYING WHY THE ACLU
THINKS IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THE CRB HAS INDEPENDENT COUNSEL.
I WILL GIVE YOU THREE BULLET POINTS.
NUMBER ONE, THIS IS A COMMON SENSE REQUEST.
NOT ONLY REDUCE THE RISK OF BIAS BUT ALSO REDUCES THE
APPEARANCE OF BIAS
NUMBER TWO, THAT PEOPLE IN TAMPA WANTED THIS.
AN INDEPENDENT POLL, 70% OF THE PEOPLE SURVEYED WERE IN
FAVOR OF INDEPENDENT COUNCIL FOR THE CRB.
A POLL WE COMMISSIONED AND DONE INDEPENDENTLY.
AND NUMBER THREE IS THAT THIS IS -- THIS HAS BEEN DONE AT
CITIES AND COUNTIES THROUGHOUT FLORIDA FOR TIME -- FOR A
LONG TIME NOW AND NO REPORTS THAT HAD AFFECTED THE BUDGET.
NO REPORTS THIS AFFECTED POLICE ABILITY TO DO THEIR WORK
OR MORALE.
ONCE AGAIN SOMETHING COMMON SENSE.
SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WANT.
AND SOMETHING THAT WOULD NOT CAUSE ANY PROBLEMS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:39:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:39:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
KELLY, CAN YOU ASK THE FOLKS OUTSIDE TO --
09:39:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NEXT, PLEASE.
09:39:51AM >> THANK YOU, HONORABLE REPRESENTATIVE.
I AM A FOLLOWER OF JESUS CHRIST.
ABORTION HAS DIVIDED OUR SOCIETY LIKE FEW OTHER TOPICS IN
RECENT HISTORY.
THE BIBLE PLACES THE HIGHEST IMPORTANCE ON HUMAN LIFE.
GOD TREATS US AS SACRED AND VALUABLE AND WHY HE CREATED US IN
HIS OWN IMAGE.
BIBLE SAYS A UNBORN BABY AS HUMAN.
YOU MAKE ALL THE DELICATE PARTS OF MY BODY AND TOGETHER IN
MY MOTHER'S WOMB.
THANK YOU FOR MAKING ME SO WONDERFULLY COMPLEX.
YOUR WORKMANSHIP IS MARVELOUS.
YOU WATCHED ME IN UTTER SECLUSION WEAVED TOGETHER IN
THE WOMB.
SOME PEOPLE DON'T THINK ABORTION IS WRONG BECAUSE THEY SEE
IT A SOLUTION TO A PROBLEM.
HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH ONE PROBLEM WITH ANOTHER.
MURDER.
GOD CREATED ALL LIFE AND HE SUSTAINS IT.
GIVEN EACH OF US THE BREATH OF LIFE AND OUR RESPONSIBILITY
TO PROTECT WHAT IS GIVEN TO THE FATHER IN HEAVEN.
THE QUESTION OF WHETHER ABORTION IS RIGHT OR WRONG IS SO
SIGNIFICANT.
NO ONE BELIEVES TO STEAL FROM GOD.
IN GOD'S GREAT LOVE HE GIVES LIFE THAT BEARS HIS IMAGE.
DETERMINING IF ABORTION IS GOOD FOR BAD GOES TO THE QUESTION
IF PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO TERMINATE THE LIFE OF A CHILD.
THE REAL ISSUE IF PEOPLE WILL LIVE ACCORDING TO WORLDLY
STANDARDS THAT OPPOSE GOD.
PLEASE GET RID OF THIS MODERN-DAY HOLOCAUST.
INSTEAD OF KILLING THESE BABIES, LET'S HELP THEM.
GOD BLESS, YOU GUYS.
THANK YOU.
09:41:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:41:32AM >> OKAY.
HELLO, MY NAME IS NATE.
I AM A MEMBER OF TAMPA BAY COMMUNITY ACTION COMMITTEE.
I LIVE IN TOWN AND COUNTRY.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF INDEPENDENT COUNSEL FOR THE
CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.
THE SECOND HEARING DAY.
I AM GOING TO REPEAT MANY OF THE POINTS I HAVE ALREADY SAID.
WITH THE CRB BEING A REVIEW BOARD FOR TPD, A DEPARTMENT OF
THE CITY.
I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO BE
INDEPENDENT FOR THEM TO CARRY OUT THEIR WORK PROPERLY.
YOU KNOW IF IT IS THE SAME ATTORNEY THAT IS PRESENTING THE
CITY AND ALL THE DEPARTMENTS INCLUDING TPD, HOW ARE THEY
GOING TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THAT OBJECTIVE, YOU KNOW, OBJECTIVE
REVIEW OF THE MISCONDUCT.
WE SAW IT IN PRACTICE.
WE SAW HOW THE CITY'S ATTORNEY WAS TRYING TO SAY, OH,
NOTHING YOU CAN DO.
NO WAY YOU CAN BRING UP A CASE TO THE CRB IN THIS WAY OR
THAT WAY AND TRYING TO MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULTY, WHICH YOU
KNOW, WHERE THE ATTORNEYS INTERESTS LIE IF THEY HAVE A -- IF
THEY ARE REPRESENTING MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS.
AND THE -- THE HISTORY THAT TPD HAS SHOWN US OVER AND OVER
AGAIN IS MORE -- JUST GIVES US MORE PROOF TO THE NEED FOR AN
INDEPENDENT REVIEW BOARD TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW CASES.
ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT, YOU KNOW, TODAY, FOR EXAMPLE.
ON THE AGENDA WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE FIVE FORD F-150s
GOING TO TPD AND MANY OTHER THINGS THAT THEY REALLY DON'T
NEED WHEN WE STILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT STILL
ASKING FOR FIRE TRUCKS.
STILL ASKING FOR MORE, YOU KNOW, STATIONS AROUND THE CITY
FOR THEM TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, ADEQUATE RESPONSE TIMES.
SO I THINK THERE WAS A FAULT IN THE BUDGET INITIALLY THAT
STILL -- WE CAN -- THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE WORKED ON WITH THE
NEXT BUDGET.
WE NEED MORE MONEY FOR THINGS PEOPLE ACTUALLY NEED AND NOT
FOR THE POLICE.
THANK YOU.
09:43:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:43:49AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBERS.
ELIAS COLON, MINISTER OF THE GOSPEL AND HEAD OF
MINISTRY AT BAPTIST CHURCH.
I'M HERE TODAY TO REMIND YOU WHAT IS TAKING PLACE IT OUR
COMMUNITY, TO BE A VOICE FOR THE VOICELESS, DEFEND THOSE WHO
CAN'T PROTECT THEMSELVES.
TO REMIND YOU THAT GOD CALLS YOU TO ESTABLISH AN EQUAL
WEIGHT AND MEASURE, JUSTICE
SO IN OUR DISCUSSION OF ABORTION, HERE IS MY RESPONSE.
I AM TIRED OF SEEING MY BLACK BROTHERS AND SISTERS BEING
MURDERED IN THE WOMB.
I AM TIRED OF SEEING MY WHITE BROTHERS AND SISTERS MURDERED
IN THE WOMB.
TIRED OF SEEING MY HISPANIC BROTHERS AND SISTERS MURDERED IN
THE WOMB.
MY QUESTION TO YOU, ARE YOU WILLING TO TAKE A STAND AGAINST
THIS MODERN HOLOCAUST OR TAKE A PAYCHECK JUST LIKE JUDAS.
THAT, MY FRIEND, IS CALLED A COWARD.
HUMAN BEINGS IN THE WOMB DESERVE EQUAL RIGHTS LIKE US.
WHY IS THAT?
BECAUSE THEY ARE CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF GOD.
IT IS CONSISTENT WITH SCIENCE THAT THEY ARE HUMAN FROM
CONCEPTION IS IRREFUTABLE.
EVERY SCIENCE BOOK YOU GO TO.
HUMAN FROM CONCEPTION.
WE WILL NOT STOP FIGHTING THE NAME OF THE LORD AS A CHURCH
AGAINST THIS MASS SLAUGHTER OF CHILDREN.
SO I URGE YOU AS MANY OTHERS HAVE BEFORE TO REPENT WITH US.
TURN AWAY FROM YOUR WICKED WAYS.
TURN TO JESUS CHRIST FOR SALVATION.
HELP THESE MOTHERS AND FATHERS HELP THEM FINANCIALLY.
HEALTH-WISE.
THIS IS PROMISE FROM OUR KING OF KINGS, LORD OF LORDS.
HE HAS NEVER BROKEN HIS PROMISE.
WE HAVE.
HE WILL PROVIDE THAT NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE WITH HIM WHO
GIVES US STRENGTH BUT IF YOU AND I CONTINUE IN THIS PATH OF
UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, GOD WILL NOT HEAR OUR PRAYERS, FOR THERE IS
BLOOD ON OUR HANDS.
PROVERBS 24, VERSE 11, RESCUE THOSE TAKEN AWAY FROM DEATH.
HOLD BACK THOSE THAT ARE STUMBLING WITH SLAUGHTER.
IF YOU KNEW ABOUT IT AND DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
THANK YOU, GUYS, FOR YOUR TIME.
09:46:05AM >> AMEN.
ALL RIGHT.
09:46:11AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS NORENE COPELAND MILLER.
AND I LIVE AT 1911 EAST CHELSEA.
I'M HERE THIS MORNING -- I WAS LOOKING ON THE AGENDA.
AND I WAS SEEING A LOT OF ACTIVITY GOING ON IN EAST TAMPA.
AND A LOT OF DOLLARS ARE BEING MOVED AROUND.
AND I DO KNOW THAT WITH MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY, THAT THAT'S
BEING CONTINUED.
BUT I FEEL THAT I NEEDED TO BE HERE THIS MORNING TO TALK
ABOUT MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY.
I AM VERY GRATEFUL THAT THE NEWS MEDIA HAVE BROUGHT TO THE
FOREFRONT.
HUNDRED OF CALLS FROM COMMUNITY PEOPLE THAT HAD NO IDEA I
WAS GOING ON, BUT THANK GOD THAT THE DIFFERENT CHANNELS,
NEWS MEDIA CHANNELS IN THIS CITY HAVE PUT ON AND FOUND IT
NEWSWORTHY TO TALK ABOUT THE INJUSTICE GOING ON WITH
MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY.
I WAS LISTENING TO THE GENTLEMAN TALKING ABOUT THE MILITARY
AND THE VETERANS.
800 BLACK VETERANS IN THAT CEMETERY.
THAT CEMETERY HAS A MONUMENT THAT HONORS THE BLACK MILITARY
FOR THEIR SERVICE TO THIS COUNTRY.
AND I AM HOPING THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
I WAS WATCHING THE NEWS.
I SEE THAT -- THAT THE NEGOTIATIONS ARE GOING ON WITH THE
NEW OWNER.
BUT SOMETHING ABOUT THEY ARE GOING TO DO A PROPERTY
APPRAISAL FOR THE CEMETERY ABOUT THE VALUE.
AND I WAS LIKE, WOW, HOW -- YOU KNOW, I AM SURE YOU CAN DO
WHATEVER -- YOU NEED TO DO IT.
BUT HOW DO YOU DO AN APPRAISAL FOR BLACK CEMETERY TO FIND OUT
THE VALUE?
THAT WAS QUITE INTERESTING WHEN WE KNOW THE CAPACITY HAS
BEEN FULL FOR A LONG TIME.
AND THERE IS NOWHERE REALLY FOR A DEVELOPER OR ANYONE ELSE
TO BUILD ON.
BUT TO SPEND MONEY TO DO AN APPRAISAL ON A CEMETERY, THAT IS
INTERESTING.
I JUST HOPE THAT THIS CITY, THE CITY OF TAMPA, DO WHAT IS
RIGHT BY THAT HISTORICAL BLACK CEMETERY.
IT IS 104 YEARS OLD.
A LOT OF UNMARKED GRAVES IN THERE.
A LOT OF GRAVES THAT ARE MARKED.
I HAVE A MEMBER OF MY FAMILY MEMBERS IN THERE.
AND I CAN'T SAY THAT ENOUGH.
AND RIGHT NOW, SINCE THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON THE LAST TWO
MONTHS, ALMOST THREE MONTHS, IT IS DRAINING, MENTALLY,
PHYSICALLY AND EMOTIONALLY FOR ME AND I AM SURE FOR MANY
EARS.
AND A LOT OF THE BLACK COMMUNITY IS OUTRAGED BY WHAT HAS
HAPPENED TO OUR HISTORICAL CEMETERY ON THE CORNER OF 22nd
AND MLK.
I AM A WOMAN OF MY WORD AND I SHARED WITH YOU I WILL BE
COMING TO CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS IN SPITE OF THE CHALLENGES I
HAVE.
BUT GUESS WHAT, I'M HERE.
AND I AM HOPING THAT YOU ALL WILL DO THE RIGHT THING -- I
KNOW YOU WILL DO THE RIGHT THING.
I KNOW THIS WILL BE RESOLVED.
I KNOW WE WILL BE CELEBRATING THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA OWNS
MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY.
AND THAT WE ARE HONORING THOSE SOULS IN THAT CEMETERY.
AND RESPECTING THEM, THE SACRED GROUND THAT IT IS ON.
SO THANK YOU SO LISTENING.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
AND I AM WAITING TO HEAR THE RESOLUTION.
I KNOW IT WILL HAPPEN SOON.
HAVE A GREAT DAY.
09:49:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:49:26AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
ROBIN LOCKETT.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK OF ITEM 4, THE CRB.
AS MANY HAVE SAID PRIOR, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A NEED FOR IT.
THE PEOPLE CAME TO CITY COUNCIL.
THEY WANTED IT.
SEVERAL OF YOU HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT IN VOTING YES ON IT.
AND OTHERS HAVEN'T.
YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR COUNCIL TO HAVE THE WILL OF THE
PEOPLE.
EVEN IF YOU FIND -- BECAUSE NOW THERE ARE NEW QUOTES COMING
OUT THAT NOW THE BOARD HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DO WHAT THE CRB
IS ASKING TO BE DONE.
WHEN YOU GAIN NEW TALKING POINTS SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE AND
BRING THAT TALKING POINT UP FRONT TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS --
YOU KNOW, Y'ALL READ THE ATTORNEYS.
YOU KNOW, RIGHT.
THEY WOULD BROUGHT IT UP AND SAY INSTEAD OF CREATING AN
ORDINANCE FOR THE SECOND READING.
THEY WOULD BROUGHT IT UP TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT WILL
DUPLICATE THE EFFORTS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE.
PLEASE DO NOT -- THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE WHO
HAVEN'T VOTED -- MIRANDA, I KNOW WHERE YOU STAND ON IT.
YOU ARE CONSISTENT.
FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T VOTED ON IT, TO VOTE YES.
THIS IS WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT.
NO HARM.
NO FOUL.
NOT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM ANYBODY UNLESS THEY USE IT.
WE WASTE -- WHAT I AM SAYING IS, WE WASTE A LOT OF MONEY
WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA.
A LOT OF MONEY IS BEING WASTED ON FRIVOLOUS THINGS.
SO WHEN THE PEOPLE COME AND ASK FOR SOMETHING, NOW IT IS A
BUDGET ITEM.
YOU CAN'T AFFORD IT.
IT IS GOING TO COST MONEY.
BUT WASTE A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY ON A LOT OF OTHER STUFF SO I
ASK THAT EVERY COUNCIL PERSON SUPPORT THIS.
LOOK BACK TO THE OTHER SIDE AND SUPPORT IT AND STAY STRONG
WITH IT.
DON'T BE PRESSURED BY OTHERS TO VOTE.
THAT IS THE PROBLEM.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.
THANK YOU.
09:51:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE IN CHAMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC
COMMENT AT THIS TIME?
MR. RANDOLPH, ARE YOU ON THE LINE?
09:52:04AM >> YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
I AM WITH THE WEST TAMPA CAC.
I WANT TO SAY GOOD MORNING TO THE CITY OF TAMPA AND TO THE
CITY COUNCIL.
TODAY, I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE WEST TAMPA PUBLIC SAFETY
INITIATIVE.
AND TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO JOE ROBINSON WHO CHAIRS THE WEST
TAMPA CAC OF THE COUNCIL AND OF THE WEST TAMPA CAC WORKS
WITH US IN HAND IN HAND.
THE WEST TAMPA INITIATIVE IT IS A COMPREHENSIVE
APPROACH TO REDUCING VIOLENCE IN PARTICULAR.
AND CRIME IN GENERAL.
IT WAS CURATED TO DETER CRIME BY ECONOMIC OPTIONS AND
FOCUSES ON NUMBER OF ARRESTS.
FOCUSES ON REDUCING -- OF THOSE WITH CRIMINAL RECORDS.
WHAT WAS UNIQUE IT WAS DESIGNED BY POLICE.
AND FOCUSED ON THE CORRECTION, INTERVENTION AND
DETERMINANCE.
IT USES THE HEALTH, PUBLIC SAFETY AND SOCIAL ECONOMIC
APPROACH.
WHAT IS UNIQUE ABOUT THIS ALSO IS FOCUS AND GENERATION Z AND
GENERATIONAL THAT USES EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE AND
CRITICAL THINKING AS A STRATEGY.
IF FOCUSES ON ENDING THE SCHOOL-TO-PRISON PIPELINE,
RECIDIVISM, AND LOOK AT MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE
ABUSE AS TWO MAJOR COMPONENTS TO CRIME.
IT ALSO LOOKS AT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OF A SENSE OF
COMMUNITY.
IT HAS A PARTNERSHIP THAT INCLUDES THE DEPARTMENT OF
JUSTICE, THE U.S. STATE'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THE COURTS, THE
STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS,
JUVENILE JUSTICE.
NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS AND RESIDENTS, HIGHER EDUCATION, THE
CRISIS CENTER, SUBSTANCE ABUSE AND HEALTH.
WE ARE TRULY A COMPREHENSIVE TO REDUCING CRIME IN WEST TAMPA
WHAT WE ARE USING THIS MODEL TO SHOW WHAT IT HAPPEN WHEN ALL
THE COMPONENTS COME TOGETHER TO REDUCE THE LEVEL OF CRIME IN
OUR COMMUNITY AND FOCUSED ON RECEIVING LIVES BY CREATING
OPPORTUNITIES FOR FOLKS.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK
TODAY.
AND, AGAIN, I WANT TO REITERATE THAT I THINK THE CITY
COUNCIL DOES NEED A RAISE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FINANCIAL AS WELL AS THE EMOTIONAL
STRAIN THEY GO FOR.
AND YOU CAN PUT ME DOWN FOR THAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:54:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. RANDOLPH.
MR. D'ANGEL.
09:54:48AM >>CLERK:
MR. D'ANGEL, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, PLEASE UNMUTE
YOURSELF.
09:54:57AM >> HELLO.
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
09:55:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, PLEASE PROCEED.
09:55:05AM >> OKAY.
ANGEL D'ANGEL, BORN AND RAISED IN TAMPA.
I'M HERE TO REITERATE WHAT HAS BEEN SAID.
SHOULD BE A NO BRAINER OF INDEPENDENT COUNSEL.
TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT SAY IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE, YOU
SHOULDN'T WORRY.
WHAT ARE THEY HIRING WITH INDEPENDENT COUNSEL.
MAYOR JANE CASTOR.
AND WHY DO YOU THINK SHE THINKS AFTER WHAT SHE HAS DONE TO
ALL OF YOU, TO SOME OF YOU MORE THAN OTHERS.
SHE HASN'T HAD ANY POSITIVE IMPACT ON THIS CITY COUNCIL.
SHE IS FOCUSED ON MAYOR JANE CASTOR AND HER CAREER.
YOU SHOULD NOT BE FOCUSED ON MAYOR JANE CASTOR'S CAREER, BUT
ON THE PEOPLE.
PEOPLE HAVE LARGELY DEMANDED INDEPENDENT COUNSEL.
IT IS COMMON SENSE.
NOT RADICAL.
IT IS NOT DIFFICULT.
IT IS JUST -- JUST DO IT.
I AGREE WE DON'T NEED TO ADD ANY F-150s.
THE TPD NEEDS TO PUT MONEY INTO THINGS THAT MATTER.
HEAL THE COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF OVERPOLICING.
YOU KEEP DOING THAT AND COUNCILMEMBERS HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED
BEFORE THAT CRIME IS ON THE UP.
AND YOU FUNDED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT UP AND UP AND UP.
CRIME IS STILL ON THE UP.
MAYBE DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
THAT IS A RADICAL IDEA, DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT -- NOT A
RADICAL IDEA.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO DO SOMETHING WHEN SOMETHING IS NOT
WORKING.
YOU HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR TRAJECTORY.
WE WILL BE IN THE SAME POSITION EVER.
DON'T APPROVE MORE MONEY.
GET INDEPENDENT COUNSEL.
GOOD INVESTMENT.
PROTECT THE CEMETERY.
COMMON SENSE.
THE BLACK COMMUNITY SHOULD NOT HAVE TO BEG FOR THEIR
DECEASED RELATIVES TO BE RESPECTED.
THEY DESERVE RESPECT IN LIFE.
THEY CAN HARDLY GET THAT.
AND THEY CAN'T EVEN GET IT IN DEATH.
THAT IS RIDICULOUS.
NOT HOW TAMPA SHOULD OPERATE.
DO THE RIGHT THING.
DON'T WORRY ABOUT MAYOR JANE CASTOR.
SHE WILL BE FINE.
JUST DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
THANK YOU.
09:57:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
MISS OATES, ARE YOU ON THE LINE?
09:57:15AM >>CLERK:
MISS OATES, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, PLEASE UNMUTE
YOURSELF.
09:57:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MISS OATES, ARE YOU THERE?
MISS OATES, CAN YOU PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
OKAY.
LET'S MOVE ON TO MR. NOHAVA.
09:57:55AM >> GENTLEMEN, CAN YOU HEAR ME?
09:57:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, PLEASE PROCEED.
09:57:59AM >> JOSEPH NOHAVA ALSO WITH TAMPA BAY COMMUNITY ACTION
COMMITTEE.
LIKE MY FRIENDS HAVE ALL SAID, I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF
THE INDEPENDENT COUNSEL ORDINANCE FOR THE CRB, AS WELL AS
SOLIDARITY AND AGREEMENT WITH CEMETERY SOCIETY.
THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON THAT THE CITY CAN'T DO THE
RIGHT THING ON THIS ISSUE AND MAKE SURE THAT THESE GRAVES
AND THESE FOLKS' LOVED ONES ARE PROTECTED.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT -- AGAIN, THERE IS REALLY NO REASON THAT
THE CRB SHOULDN'T HAVE ITS OWN ATTORNEY.
I MEAN, NOBODY IS REALLY EXPLAINED, I DON'T THINK IN ANY OF
THIS -- NOT THOSE OF YOU WHO OPPOSE THIS.
NOT THE MAYOR.
WHY THEY FEEL LIKE THE CRB IS BETTER WHEN, YOU KNOW,
CRITICAL EVIDENCE IS OUT OF REACH AND THE ATTORNEYS ARE
CONFLICTED.
THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.
AND I DON'T THINK IT MAKES ANY SENSE TO ANYBODY ELSE.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO WHAT, YOU KNOW --
WHAT -- WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE CRB?
DESIGNED TO BE AN INDEPENDENT BODY THAT -- YOU KNOW, THAT
PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO GO TO HOLD TPD SOMEWHAT ACCOUNTABLE?
OR IS IT JUST A PUBLIC RELATIONS KIND OF EXERCISE.
I THINK, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, MIAMI, KEY WEST, BROWARD, THEY ALL
HAVE THEIR OWN ATTORNEYS FOR THEIR CRBs AND THEY HAVEN'T
BURNED DOWN.
IT IS REALLY A REASONABLE REQUEST.
AND, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WITH THE WAY THAT THE CITY ALLOCATES
MONEY, YOU KNOW, TO THINGS, LIKE THE TRUCKS AND RADIATION
DETECTED -- YOU KNOW, IT IS JUST ABSURD.
ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT YOU ARE REVIEWING THE MONEY
FOR HOUSING AND SOCIAL SERVICES THAT YOU ALLOCATED LAST YEAR
THAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE IS THAT MONEY?
RIGHT.
IT IS DRIED UP.
BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T ALLOCATE ENOUGH AS WE TOLD YOU LAST YEAR
EXACTLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, HAS HAPPENED.
I FEEL LIKE THIS IS ON COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR TO ADEQUATELY
FUND THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY ASKING FOR AND
ACTUALLY NEED RATHER THAN EXTRAVAGANT USELESS EXPENDITURES
THAT AREN'T NEEDED
10:00:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
MISS POYNOR, ARE YOU ON THE LINE?
10:00:36AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I WANT TO ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF THE CRB.
I THINK LISTENING TO THE CITIZENS ARE VERY IMPORTANT.
ACCELA, WE EVIDENTLY HAVE GOT TRAINING.
THREE APPOINTMENTS IN THE NEXT MONTH.
THOUGH WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME IN THE EVENING.
WE WILL GET STARTED WITH THESE AND GIVE YOU FEEDBACK
ON ACCELA.
MAYOR'S YOUTH CORP.
I WAS INTRODUCED AT THE MAYOR'S UNIVERSITY WHICH YOU
HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT HONORED
ENOUGH TO BE PART OF THAT PROGRAM.
I LEARNED ABOUT MAYOR'S UNIVERSITY.
I NOTICED WITH THE YOUNG PEOPLE -- THEY ARE VERY BRIGHT
YOUNG PEOPLE, AND I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST ANY PARTICULAR
SCHOOLS, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK THAT PROBABLY OVER 50% OF THEM
COME FROM ONE PARTICULAR SCHOOL IN THE CITY.
I THINK THAT IS NOT DIVERSE.
AND COUNCILMAN GUDES HAS BEEN ASKING ABOUT A PROGRAM
CALLED TLC, WHICH I ACTUALLY KNEW NOTHING ABOUT.
AND THEY ARE GETTING NO FUNDING, BUT THE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORPS
GETS ALL KIND OF FUNDING.
THAT IS SERIOUS INEQUITY.
AND PEDAGOGY, FOR THOSE OF HOW OUR TEACHERS, THE EDUCATION
OF LEARNING, IT SHOWS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE GROUPS THAT ARE
MORE DIVERSE, ETHNICALLY AND FINANCIALLY, EVERYBODY IS GOING
TO PROSPER FROM THOSE INTERACTIONS.
AND I HEARD PEOPLE SAY, OH, WELL, THE MAYOR'S NEIGHBORHOOD
-- THE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORP REQUIRES KIDS TO GET THERE.
YOU KNOW WHAT IF WE HAVE FIVE OR SIX KIDS FROM A SCHOOL NOT
AS AFFLUENT, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET ONE OF
THE PARKS AND REC AND DELIVER THEM TO THE YOUTH CORP
PROGRAM.
THE BOTTOM LINE YOU CAN'T FUND FOR CERTAIN PEOPLE AND NOT
FOR OTHERS.
I KNOW MY HIGH SCHOOL THAT MY SON IS GOING TO ONLY HAS FOUR
PEOPLE IN THE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORP THIS YEAR WHICH IS NOT
DIVERSE AT ALL.
SO PLEASE REMEMBER THAT.
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, HAVE A GOOD DAY.
10:03:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN CHAMBERS WHO WISHES TO SPEAK DURING
PUBLIC COMMENT?
MISS OATES, ARE YOU THERE.
10:03:16AM >> HELLO, CAN YOU HEAR ME.
10:03:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, MA'AM.
10:03:18AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
SORRY ABOUT THAT TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.
SO TODAY I WANT TO CALL IN AND TALK WITH REGARDS TO THE
MAYOR YOUTH CORP AND THE TLC PROGRAM.
I AM A PARENT OF TWO KIDS THAT WERE ACTUALLY -- WHO UTILIZED
BOTH PROGRAMS, MAYOR YOUTH CORP, AND MY SON IS CURRENTLY IN
THE TLC PROGRAM.
THE INEQUITIES IN THOSE PROGRAMS THAT I HAVE EXPERIENCED AND
SEEN PERSONALLY IS JUST INTERESTING TO ME IN THE FACT THAT
OUR KIDS AT TLC ARE NOT ALLOWED TO UTILIZE SOME OF THE
FUNDING TO TAKE TRIPS TO WASHINGTON OR GO TO SOME OF THE
PROGRAMS THAT THE NYC OFFERS THEIR KIDS TO DO.
IT IS REALLY -- IT IS REALLY DISHEARTENING BECAUSE MY SON
WHO IS IN A TLC PROGRAM SEES THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT MY
DAUGHTER HAD WHEN SHE WAS AT JEFFERSON, EVEN WHEN SHE WAS
ALMOST KICKED OUT ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS BECAUSE I COULDN'T
GET HER TO THE MEETINGS ON TIME, BECAUSE I HAD TO LEAVE WORK
IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY TO GET HER THERE.
I HOPE YOU GUYS REALLY LOOK INTO THOSE PROGRAMS.
FINANCIALLY, THEY NEED TO MIRROR EACH OTHER.
KNOW THE KIDS IN THE TLC PROGRAM MAY NOT NEED TO DO ALL THE
THINGS THAT THE OLDER KIDS ARE DOING, BUT THE EXPOSURE FOR
THOSE KIDS IS DEFINITELY NEEDED.
AND ALSO, THE FACT THAT WE STILL OVER IN EAST TAMPA ARE
HAVING OUR KIDS PICK UP TRASH THROUGH THE PROGRAM, IT IS
RIDICULOUS.
JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE STILL THINK IS THAT EAST
TAMPA CHILDREN IS LESS THAN.
AND THAT'S ALL THEY CAN DO IS PICK UP TRASH.
IT'S A PROBLEM.
OUR KIDS IN EAST TAMPA ARE VERY EDUCATED AND QUALIFIED TO BE
IN OTHER POSITIONS THAT OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS ARE OFFERING
THEM.
SO LIKE STATED, CITY COUNCIL IS.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN GUDES FOR BRINGING THIS TO THE
FOREFRONT AGAIN.
BECAUSE THIS IS NOT YOUR FIRST TIME TALKING ON THESE
PROGRAMS, BUT ACTUALLY I HOPE SOMETHING COMES OUT OF THIS SO
ALL OF OUR KIDS IN TAMPA, ESPECIALLY KIDS IN
THE TLC PROGRAM WITH BENEFIT FROM SOME OF THE FUNDING AND
NOT HAVE TO DO FUNDRAISERS FROM THE COMMUNITY TO HELP
SUPPORT THEM.
THANK YOU, CITY COUNCIL, AND I HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT DAY.
10:06:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:06:03AM >> YOU ARE WELCOME.
10:06:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:06:09AM >>BILL CARLSON:
A QUICK COMMENT FOR ANYBODY WATCHING FOR THE
FIRST TIME ON MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY.
ALL THE THINGS THAT WERE DISCUSSED ARE THE DOMAIN OF THE
ADMINISTRATION AND MAYOR'S OFFICE, NOT CITY COUNCIL.
CITY COUNCIL CAN SAY APPROVE A CONTRACT AND PRESENT IT TO US
AND REJECT A CONTRACT OR REQUEST THAT THE CITY STAFF DO
SOMETHING.
WE HAVE DONE THAT SITTING AT A CRA BOARD.
WE OFFERED TO BUY MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY BUT THE PROCESS
THAT THE CITY USED TO ACQUIRE THE CEMETERY WHICH RESULTED IN
SOMEBODY ELSE OWNING IT AND NOW THE PROCESS THAT IS BEING
USED TO BUY IT BACK HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CITY COUNCIL.
WE HAVE GIVEN OUR ADVICE BUT LIKE THE PUBLIC WE NEED TO WAIT
AND SEE THE PROPOSAL THAT COMES BACK.
REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ADMINISTRATION COME BEFORE US SAYING
THEY ARE IN EARNEST TRYING TO BUY THIS BACK.
LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT CITY COUNCIL SUPPORTS YOU
MAINTAINING, PRESERVING THAT CEMETERY.
THE OTHER THING IS -- HOPE STAFF WILL HELP US COME UP WITH A
SOLUTION LONG TERM SO PRIVATELY OWNED CEMETERIES DON'T END
UP BEING MANAGED BY THE CITY.
WE SHOULD CHANGE STATE LAWS TO REQUIRE LARGER TRUST FUNDS SO
BE SELF-SUFFICIENT IN THE FUTURE.
THIS SHOULDN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
IT IS NOT FAIR THAT A PRIVATE BURDEN IS PUT ON TAXPAYERS,
BUT IT IS ALSO NOT FAIR THAT PEOPLE WHO TRUSTED THAT THEIR
LOVED ONES WOULD BE PROTECTED AREN'T PROTECTED.
IN THIS CASE, FOR SURE, WE WILL ENDS UP PROTECTING IN THE
FUTURE.
THANK YOU.
10:07:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARINGS?
10:07:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE ALL 9:30 PUBLIC HEARINGS.
10:07:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GO TO 10:30.
10:07:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARINGS.
OPEN ALL 9:30.
10:08:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2, FILES NUMBER TA/CPA 22-19.
10:08:19AM >>EMILY PHALEN:
HEY, GOOD MORNING, EMILY PHALEN, PLANNING
COMMISSION STAFF.
ITEM NUMBER 2 IS TA/CPA 22-19.
COMPREHENSIVE MAP AMENDMENT 2302 AND 2304 N. BOULEVARD.
CHANGE FROM RESIDENTIAL-10 TO RESIDENTIAL-20.
THIS AMENDMENT AT APPROVED IN THE JANUARY 22, 2023 MEETING
AND IT IS BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING.
I AM AVAILABLE IF OF ANY QUESTIONS.
10:08:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
PETITIONER.
10:08:58AM >> GOOD MORNING, ANGELA HAUBERT.
HILL, WARD AND HENDERSON, E. KENNEDY BOULEVARD.
I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME
TODAY.
10:09:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER?
ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS?
10:09:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN
MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
I AM SORRY.
LET'S -- LET'S GO WITH COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
OKAY.
SORRY.
I SAW THAT.
GO TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:09:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FILE NUMBER TA/CPA 22-19, ORDINANCE PRESENTED
FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
ORDINANCE AMENDING THE IMAGINE 2040: TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THE
PROPERTY LOCATED 2302 AND 2304 N. BOULEVARD FROM
RESIDENTIAL-10, R-10, TO RESIDENTIAL-20, R-20, PROVIDING FOR
ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:10:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
10:10:19AM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH MANISCALCO, MIRANDA AND GUDES
VOTING NO.
10:10:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3, FILE NUMBER E 2023-8
CHAPTER 22.
10:10:35AM >> GOOD MORNING, EMMA GREGORY FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT
HERE FOR A SECOND READING OF THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE
AMENDING SECTIONS 22-276 AND UPDATING THE TRANSPORTATION
TECHNICAL MANUAL WITH ADDITIONAL GUIDELINES FOR MOBILITY TO
USE WHILE EVALUATING PROJECT DESIGNS.
SO JUST HERE FOR SECOND READING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:11:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
THANK YOU.
PETITIONER?
10:11:07AM >> THANK YOU.
10:11:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SORRY.
NOT THE PETITIONER.
OKAY.
NO QUESTIONS?
IS THERE ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WHO WISH TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS?
THANK YOU.
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSE?
THE MOTION PASSES.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:11:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING ORDINANCE OF CITY OF
TAMPA RELATED TO CHAPTER 22, STREETS AND SIDEWALKS, AMENDING
22-276.
TECHNICAL STANDARDS MAY BE ESTABLISHED, TECHNICAL STANDARDS
ADOPTED BY REPLACING THE 2009 EDITION WITH THE 2023
EDITION.
PROVIDING WITH ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY
AND PROVIDING FOR EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:11:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION AND SECOND.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
10:12:01AM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:12:07AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4, FILE NUMBER E 2023-8,
CHAPTER 18.
10:12:14AM >> I APOLOGIZE.
WE ARE ITEM NUMBER 4, CORRECT?
ITEM NUMBER 4, AS YOU KNOW IS THE SECOND READING OF THE
ORDINANCE PROVIDING FOR OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO BE HIRED FOR
THE CRB.
WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS AT LENGTH.
AT THIS POINT TO SAVE TIME, I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS UNLESS YOU WANT ME TO REITERATE WHAT IS INNED
ORDINANCE.
THANK YOU.
10:12:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMAN GUDES?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK?
10:12:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO REITERATE AGAIN HOW MUCH YOU WORKED
WITH US TO MAKE THIS WHAT WE WANTED.
AND FOR ALL THE FOLKS WHO ARE OUT THERE TODAY TO COME AND
SPEAK ON IT, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO FOCUS
ON THIS.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE PEOPLE CONTINUOUSLY TELL US THEY
WANT.
AND I FEEL STRONGLY THAT THIS -- THAT THE CRB IS AN ENTITY.
THE MEMBERS WILL CHANGE BUT THE ENTITY REMAINS UNDER THE
POWER OF THE ORDINANCE WE MAKE.
REGARDLESS OF HOW PARTICULAR INDIVIDUALS ON THE BOARD FEEL,
THE BOARD SHOULD -- SHOULD HAVE -- SHOULD WORK FOR -- FOR
THE PEOPLE THROUGH US AS COUNCIL, MAKING THE ORDINANCE TO
MAINTAIN HOW THAT BOARD WILL WORK.
SO THE REASON -- ONE OF THE MAJOR REASONS I AM VOTING FOR
THIS BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE THAT BOARD STRENGTHEN OVER TIME.
AND I THINK THIS WILL BEGIN THE PROCESS OF STRENGTHENING TO
A POINT THAT WILL HELP CITIZENS BUILD AND DEVELOP THAT TRUST
THAT MANY OF THEM SAY IS LACKING.
SO TO ME, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT IN THAT ABILITY TO BRING
TRUST TOGETHER.
AND I AM HOPING THAT ONCE IT IS PASSED, THAT WE CAN WORK
TOWARD THAT TOGETHER.
THANK YOU.
10:14:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:14:25AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO SAY THE SAME THING IN DIFFERENT
WAYS.
THANK MISS ZELMAN AND HER DEPARTMENT.
THREE EXAMPLES WHERE I WILL THANK THEM, AND I WILL SOUND
LIKE A BROKEN RECORD, BUT A BREATH OF FRESH AIR AND GREAT
COLLABORATIVE RELATIONSHIP TO GET THIS KIND OF WORK FROM THE
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
WE APPRECIATE IT.
ALSO, FOR ANYBODY LOOKING AT THIS, IT BENEFITS EVERYBODY JUST
TO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL LEFT TO OBJECTIVITY.
NOT ANY CONDEMNATION OF THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IN THIS CASE PUT IT TOGETHER.
YOU NEVER KNOW OF A FUTURE LEGAL DEPARTMENT BECAUSE
POLITICALLY -- IT COULD BE PRO-POLICE.
ANTI-POLICE.
THIS GIVES ANOTHER ARM'S LENGTH TO ALLOW OBJECTIVITY.
IF YOU ARE A POLICE OFFICER, YOU WILL WANT AS MUCH
OBJECTIVITY AS THOSE WHO ARE ADVERSE TO POLICE OFFICERS.
I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR DOING THIS.
AND IT BENEFITS EVERYBODY.
THANK YOU.
10:15:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:15:31AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
I WANT TO THANK MISS ZELMAN.
THINGS BRINGING THIS TO ORDINANCE, SOME THINGS THAT CAN
ADDRESS SOME REALLY LEGITIMATE GOOD-FAITH KERNELS OF WHAT I
WOULD SEE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
I WILL USE THE WORD "REASONABLE."
BECAUSE I THINK IT IS REASONABLE.
BIG C CONFLICT OR SMALL C CONFLICT.
I RELATE THIS A LOT TO AN INSURANCE COMPANY.
YOU ARE INSURED BY GEICO AND A MOTOR VEHICLE.
AND SEND YOU AN IN-HOUSE COUNSEL.
OR GEICO CAN CONTRACT WITH AN OUTSIDE FIRM RIGHT TO
REPRESENT YOUR INTEREST JUST LIKE THE INHOUSE ATTORNEY AND
PAID SEPARATELY THROUGH GEICO THROUGH X LAW FIRM.
NEITHER HOLDS A BIG C CONFLICT OF INTEREST, BUT ONE THAT
WORKS DIRECTLY FOR GEICO OR ALLSTATE, STATE FARM, WHATEVER
INSURANCE, AND ANOTHER ONE THAT WORKS FOR A LAW FIRM THAT IS
CONTRACTED THROUGH IT.
AGAIN, THIS HAS -- REASONABLE TO ADDRESS AN
APPEARANCE.
I DON'T BELIEVE ANY ISSUE THAT HAVE ARISEN THAT I SEE WITH
OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT ADDRESSES AN
APPEARANCE.
SOMETHING THAT IS REASONABLE, BUT, AGAIN, BY DOING THE
THINGS THAT YOU HAVE DONE, YOU ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF
THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES AND HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB IN THIS
REGARD.
SOME THINGS IN THE CRB I OPPOSED MOVING FORWARD WITH THE
SUBPOENA POWER AND I STAND BEHIND THAT 110%.
SOMETHING THAT IS REASONABLE AND TAILORED SUCH THAT NO
REASONABLY UNFORESEEABLE CONSEQUENCES WITH THIS.
ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
APPRECIATE YOU.
10:17:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS AGENDA ITEM
NUMBER 4, FILE NUMBER E 2023-8, CHAPTER 18.
10:17:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
10:17:30AM >>LUIS VIERA:
SECOND.
10:17:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL IN FAVOR, OPPOSED.
MOTION PASSES.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:17:37AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
READING AND ADOPTION AMENDING 18-8-6 CITY OF TAMPA CODE TO
PROVIDE FOR A CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD LEGAL ADVISOR WHO IS NOT
A CITY EMPLOYEE, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, REPEALING ALL
ORDINANCES AND PROVIDE AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:18:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
10:18:05AM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA, MANISCALCO AND CITRO
VOTING NO.
10:18:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
AT THIS TIME ANYONE WHO WILL BE GIVING ANY TYPE OF TESTIMONY
DURING THE QUASI-JUDICIAL PART OF OUR 9:30 HEARINGS, CAN YOU
PLEASE STAND TO BE SWORN IN.
[SWEARING IN]
10:18:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5, FILE NUMBER VAC 23-05.
10:18:45AM >> ROSS SAMONS, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION PRESENTING FILE
NUMBER VAC 23-05.
SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING FOR A PROPOSED
VACATING REQUEST TO VACATE THE NORTH AND SOUTH PORTION OF
THE ALLEYWAY NORTH OF COLUMBUS DRIVE, SOUTH OF KATHLEEN
STREET, EAST OF FREMONT AVENUE AND WEST OF ROME AVENUE.
I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:19:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
PETITIONER?
10:19:12AM >> NOTHING TO ADD UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME.
10:19:17AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HE HAS TO SAY HIS NAME.
10:19:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOUR NAME.
10:19:20AM >> TODD HUTCHINS.
10:19:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
STEP UP TO THE PODIUM.
10:19:26AM >> TODD HUTCHINS, NORTH ROME, AND I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD UNLESS
MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS.
10:19:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYONE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO AGENDA
ITEM NUMBER 5?
10:19:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
10:19:41AM >> SECOND.
10:19:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:19:52AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEM NUMBER 5, VAC
23-05, SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
SECOND READING FOR ORDINANCE FOR VACATING, CLOSING AND
DISCONTINUING THAT NORTH, SOUTH DIAGONAL ALLEYWAY LOCATED
NORTH OF COLUMBUS DRIVE, SOUTH OF KATHLEEN STREET, EAST OF
FREMONT AVENUE AND WEST OF ROME AVENUE WITHIN THE PLAT OF
BOWMAN HEIGHTS SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA, AS FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION
2 HEREOF SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS
PECULIARLY SET FORTH HERE IN PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND
PENALTIES.
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY.
10:20:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
10:20:47AM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:20:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6, FILE NUMBER REZ-22-107.
10:20:58AM >>ZAIN HUSSEIN:
ZAIN HUSSEIN, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6, CASE REZ-22-107.
PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION 59 THE LOCATION
1206 WEST LEMON STREET.
PROPOSED REZONING FROM RS-50, INVESTIGATION SINGLE-FAMILY
TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY
DETACHED.
SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY'S OFFICE.
I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
10:21:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HUSSEIN.
10:21:33AM >> STEVE MICHELINI REPRESENTING THE PETITIONER.
YOU MAY RECALL A PLAN WE HAD TO MODIFY TO MEET THE CITY'S
REQUEST REGARDING URBAN DESIGN WHICH WE DID AND SUBMITTED
THE REVISIONS TO THE CITY STAFF WHICH IS PRESENTED TO YOU
FOR SECOND READING.
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL.
10:21:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WHO WISHES TO MAKE COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM
NUMBER 6, REZ 2023-107?
10:22:04AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
10:22:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
10:22:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIED.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:22:10AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, FILE NUMBER 22-107, ORDINANCE
PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
REZONING PROPERTY 1206 WEST LEMON STREET IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1
FROM ZONING TO DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS-50 RESIDENTIAL
SINGLE-FAMILY TO PD, PLANNED SINGLE-FAMILY DETACH AND
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:22:36AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND.
10:22:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY IT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
10:22:43AM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:22:52AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
10:22:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7, REZ-22-34.
10:22:59AM >>ZAIN HUSSEIN:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7,REZ-22-34.
10:23:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7, REZ-22-34.
10:23:12AM >>ZAIN HUSSEIN:
ZAIN HUSSEIN, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
SECOND READING 6460 TAMPA PALMS BOULEVARD PROPOSED REZONING
FROM PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, PLACE
OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY AND DAY CARE.
THE SITE PLAN HAS BEEN TURNED IN.
I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
10:23:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
10:23:39AM >> WILLIAM MALLOY, 325 SOUTH BOULEVARD, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
I THINK THE CASE IS IN A VERY HAPPY PLACE.
I AM NOT HERE TO MESS THAT UP.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
10:23:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER?
SEEING NONE.
ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WANT TO SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER
7, FILE NUMBER REZ-22-84.
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:24:07AM >> ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE 6460 TAMPA PALMS
BOULEVARD IN CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY
DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FOR ZONING DISTRICT PD PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AND PLACE ARE
RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY.
10:24:25AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
10:24:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES AND SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
10:24:33AM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:24:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8, FILE NUMBER REZ-23-03.
10:24:45AM >>ZAIN HUSSEIN:
ZAIN HUSSEIN.
THIS IS PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT 2019
AND 2023 GORDON STREET PROPOSED ZONINGS FROM RM-16,
RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY AND CG, COMMERCIAL GENERAL TO PD,
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED.
SITE PLAN HAS BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY'S CLERK OFFICE.
I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
10:25:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
SEEING NONE, PETITIONER?
10:25:18AM >> GOOD MORNING, RALPH SCHULER, NORTH HOWARD AVENUE.
HERE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE TURNED IN ALL THE REQUIRED
DOCUMENTS AND HAPPY WITH THE OUTCOME AND LOOK FORWARD TO
SEEING THE PROJECT MOVE FORWARD.
THANK YOU.
10:25:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS?
10:25:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
10:25:39AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
10:25:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
FAVOR.
MOTION CARRIES.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:25:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FILE NUMBER REZ-23-03.
REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 2019 AND 2023
GORDON STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
CLASSIFICATION RM-16 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY AND CG
COMMERCIAL GENERAL TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT SINGLE-FAMILY
RESIDENTIAL DETACHED.
10:26:14AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
10:26:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
10:26:21AM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:26:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9, FILE
NUMBER REZ-23-08 --
10:26:36AM >>ZAIN HUSSEIN:
09.
10:26:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
09.
DYSLEXIA AGAIN.
10:26:42AM >>ZAIN HUSSEIN:
ZAIN HUSSEIN.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT LOCATION 2323 WEST NORTH B
STREET.
PROPOSED REZONING FROM RM-16, RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY
TO CN, COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS BEING EUCLIDEAN, NO SITE PLAN IS REQUIRED.
I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
10:27:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
SEEING NONE, PETITIONER.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9, FILE NUMBER REZ-23-09.
10:27:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MISS JONES, ARE YOU THERE?
MISS JONES, ARE YOU WITH US?
10:27:38AM >>CLERK:
SHE IS NOT RESPONDING.
10:27:40AM >> YES, SIR.
10:27:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ARE YOU THERE?
10:27:46AM >> YES, SIR, I'M HERE.
10:27:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE NEED TO SEE YOUR FACE ON VIDEO, PLEASE.
10:27:51AM >> OKAY.
I AM TRYING TO GET IT --
10:27:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THERE YOU GO.
10:27:55AM >> HERE I AM.
10:27:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OKAY -- MA'AM, I NEED FOR YOU TO RAISE YOUR
RIGHT HAND TO BE SWORN IN.
10:28:03AM >> YES.
[SWEARING IN]
10:28:10AM >> YES, I AM.
10:28:11AM >>CLERK:
THANK YOU.
10:28:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE TO THIS?
10:28:17AM >> NO, SIR.
10:28:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OKAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MISS JONES.
IS THERE ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9, FILE NUMBER REZ-23-09?
A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
10:28:3AM ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:28:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AN ORDINANCE SECOND READING AND ADOPTION GENERAL VICINITY OF
2323 WEST NORTH B STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND
CLASSIFICATION RM-16, RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY TO CN,
COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:29:01AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND.
10:29:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION AND A SECOND.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
CLERK MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:29:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10, REZ-23-11.
10:29:18AM >>ZAIN HUSSEIN:
ZAIN HUSSEIN, LAND DEVELOPMENT.
PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AT 214 NORTH
HOWARD AVENUE.
PROPOSED REZONING FROM CG, COMMERCIAL GENERAL TO PD, PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT, MEDICAL OFFICE.
SITE PLANS WERE TURNED INTO THE CITY'S CLERK OFFICE, I'M
HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
10:29:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HUSSEIN.
SEEING NONE, PETITIONER?
10:29:49AM >> RALPH SCHULER, NORTH HOWARD AVENUE.
SAME THING HERE.
HAPPY WITH THE CHANGES WE MADE BASED ON COUNCIL.
AND LOOK FORWARD TO A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT.
THANK YOU.
10:30:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WISH TO SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER
150, REZ-22-11.
10:30:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
10:30:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:30:19AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOVE AN ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING ADOPTION
FOR THE PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 214 NORTH HOWARD
AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY
DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FOR ZONING CLASSIFICATION CG
COMMERCIAL GENERAL TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AND MEDICAL
OFFICE.
10:30:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA AND SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
10:30:48AM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:30:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA TO OPEN 10:30 PUBLIC HEARINGS.
ANSWER ITEM NUMBER 11, VAC 23-09 -- AND I BELIEVE THERE
MIGHT BE SOME PEOPLE WHO JUST WALKED IN WHO NEED TO BE SWORN
IN.
[SWEARING IN]
10:31:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:31:29AM >>ROSS SAMONS:
ROSS SAMONS, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THE ELMO ON THE SCREEN, PLEASE.
10:31:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IT'S THERE.
10:31:38AM >>ROSS SAMONS:
PRESENTING FILE NUMBER VAC-23-08.
PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST IN 1704 NORTH FRANKLIN STREET.
REPRESENTATIVE'S NAME IS TYLER HUDSON.
PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST TO VACATE THE ALLEY NORTH OF 7th
AVENUE, EAST OF FRANKLIN STREET AND WEST OF FLORIDA AVENUE.
THIS APPLICATION WAS FILED FEBRUARY 8, 2023.
THE APPLICANT OWNS PROPERTY ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ALLEYWAY
TO BE PRESENT TO BE VACATED.
THE APPLICANT ELSE REASON FOR THE APPLICATION IS THAT THE
ALLEY WAS PREVIOUSLY VACATED FOR VAC-16-19.
UP WITH OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE ORDINANCE WAS NEVER
COMPLETED.
APPLICATION SEEKS TO REINSTATE THE ORIGINAL APPROVED
VACATING.
ALLEY SUBDIVISION PLAT.
2424 SQUARE FEET.
AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPOSED VACATING.
THE ALLEYWAY IN YELLOW.
AND THE PROPERTY -- THE OWNER'S PROPERTY IN RED.
AGAIN, THE NORTH SECTION OF THIS ALLEYWAY WAS PREVIOUSLY
VACATED IN 1920.
THIS WAS PER ORDINANCE 895.
AGAIN, THIS PLAT SHOWING THE PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST IN
RED.
AND AGAIN, THE PREVIOUSLY VACATED PORTION OF THE ALLEY IN
YELLOW.
THIS IS AN IMAGE OF THE ALLEYWAY LOOKING IN ORDER FROM
HENDERSON AVENUE.
THIS IS AN IMAGE OF THE PORTION OF THE VACATED ALLEY LOOKING
SOUTH FROM 7th AVENUE.
STAFF HAS NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS VACATING REQUEST.
EASEMENT RENOVATIONS BY FRONTIER.
NATURAL RESOURCES AND MUST COMPLY WITH TREE PRESERVATION AND
SITE DESIGN FOR ANY TREES IN A VACATED AREA.
THERE IS.
THERE WAS AN OBJECTION FROM OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT; HOWEVER,
THEY ARE LOOKING AT PROPOSED -- CURRENT EXITS IN THE
ALLEYWAY FOR THE BUILDINGS.
SO MAY BE A PERMANENT CROSS ACCESS NEEDED BEFORE SECOND
READING IF APPROVED TODAY IN BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND
READINGS.
SO TO GIVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT INSPECTORS ENOUGH TIME TO GET
OUT AND INSPECT THAT.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
10:34:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
SEEING NONE?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:34:41AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS, AND I AM NOT
SURE IF THIS IS 100% CORRECT.
MANY YEARS AGO, THIS WAS THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT TO THE GARBAGE
PICKUP IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THEY HAD ONE DRIVER.
ONE CATCHER.
AND TWO INDIVIDUALS ON EACH SIDE THAT WOULD THROW THE CANS
UP AND YOU DUMP IT IN.
THE TRUCK WERE MUCH NARROWER.
NOT EXTENDED AND FOUR INDIVIDUALS WORKING.
THEY WORKED VERY DILIGENTLY AND VERY HARD
THAT IS THE WAY IT WAS IN THE '40s, '50s AND '60S.
'70s STARTED TO CHANGE AND THESE ARE THE THINGS -- THE STORM
AT THAT TIME.
WHATEVER THE NORM MAY BE TODAY, BUT THEY WORK VERY HARD AND
I WANT TO COMPLICATE THE PEOPLE WHO LO LONGER HERE -- THEY
DON'T VOTE ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT HERE BUT HAVE GONE
TO HEAVEN.
THOSE INDIVIDUALS KEPT THE CITY MOVING LIKE THEY DO NOW.
KUDOS TO EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE TO HELP THE CITY.
IT WAS DIFFICULT THEN.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:35:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
PETITIONER.
10:36:17AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
TYLER HUDSON, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
ROSS DID A GOOD JOB GOING THROUGH THAT.
YOU SEE PICTURES FROM THE SKY.
THIS IS A PICTURE FROM THE STREET.
THE ALLEY IS BEHIND IN BUILDING 1701 NORTH FRANKLIN STREET.
MAUREEN AYRAL, THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING, WILL SPEAK IN A
MOMENT.
DOES AN INCREDIBLE JOB OF PRESERVING AND RESTORING OVERTIME.
A RESTAURANT TENANT THAT IS IN THE MIDST OF CONSTRUCTING A
RESTAURANT WE HOPE WILL BE ABLE TO OPEN IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IT WAS -- 1920.
BY 1920, ORDINANCE 1895 WHEN NORTHERN -- 20% OF THIS ALLEY
WAS VACATED.
THIS IS A DEAD-END ALLEY.
THIS ALLEY IN OUR VIEW AND IN THE CITY'S VIEW HAS NO
MEANINGFUL CROSS-ACCESS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THIS IS THE BACK OF HOUSE FOR THE BUILDINGS ON EITHER SIDE.
TO THE LEFT, TO THE WEST IS WHAT WILL BE A RESTAURANT
BUILDING.
TO THE RIGHT WILL BE SORT OF AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING USED BY
-- I BELIEVE IT IS REDEEMER CHURCH.
THEY HOLD SERVICES ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS.
WHAT MAKES THIS A LITTLE BIT STRANGE IS THIS ALLEY HAS
ALREADY BEEN VACATED WHICH BEGS THE QUESTION WHY I AM
STANDING BEFORE YOU.
COUNCIL IS AWARE WHEN THESE ALLEYS GET VACATED SEVERAL
CONDITIONS THAT NEED TO BE MET.
TYPICALLY THE CITY THAT RESERVES EASEMENTS OR A PRIVATE
ENTITY THAT ACTS LIKE THE CITY, FRONTIER, TECO, GROUPS LIKE
THAT.
THE VACATING APPROVED IN 2016 WAS A LITTLE BIT UNUSUAL AND
REQUIRED PRIVATE PARTIES FOR THEMSELVES TO ENTER INTO AN
ACCESS EASEMENT.
THE BUILDING SHOWN IN RED AND THE BUILDING EAST OF IT TO THE
RIGHT.
FOR REASONS THAT ARE LOST TO TIME, THAT EASEMENT WAS NEVER
PROVIDED TO THE CITY.
I THINK THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF DISPUTE WHETHER IT WAS
ACTUALLY REQUIRED OR NOT.
AND EVEN AS ROSS ALLUDED TO, MAY BE EVEN A LITTLE BIT OF
QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
TO AVOID BEING HERE A THIRD TIME.
WE WILL DO THE EASEMENT AND HAVE IT WITHIN THE CITY IN 180
DAYS, IF IT TURNS OUT IT IS NOT NECESSARY, THEN IT WE HAVE
DISCUSSED SOME MECHANISM OF THE CITY WILL AGREE THAT THE
EASEMENT CAN GO AWAY.
FROM OUR BUILDING WITH A WALK ACROSS THE HALF OF THE ALLEY
THAT BELONGS TO THE EASTERN NEIGHBOR.
SO THAT IS THE REQUEST.
WE ARE GOING TO BE -- THERE IS NO -- NO CURRENT OBJECTING OF
AGENCY.
AS OF THE DATE OF THE SCREEN SHOT, THERE WAS FROM FIRE BUT
THAT HAS BEEN RESOLVED AND NOT AWARE OF ANY OPPOSITION.
YOU WILL RECEIVE LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM TAMPA HEIGHTS
RESIDENTS WHO ARE EXCITED OF THIS FRANKLIN CORRIDOR WILL BE.
FITS AND STARTS.
AND A RESTAURANT WILL HELP TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL.
AND SHE WILL TELL US A LITTLE BIT OF THE WORK SHE HAS DONE.
10:39:30AM >> COUNCILMEMBERS -- CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:39:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AN EASEL RIGHT THERE.
MAUREEN AYRAL, BAYSHORE BOULEVARD, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
I HAVE BEEN BEFORE YOU SUPPORTING DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA
BY A NUMBER OF OTHER ENTITIES.
THE SALVATION ARMY, WHEN THEY WANTED TO CONSOLIDATE AND
REZONE.
I WAS A BIG SUPPORTER, BECAUSE WHEN I BOUGHT THIS BUILDING
IN 2014, IT LOOKED LIKE THIS.
IT WAS ABOUT TO BE CONDEMNED.
THIS WAS THE -- THE INTERIOR -- I DON'T KNOW WHICH SIDE IS
WHICH, BUT THE INTERIOR.
THE ROOF HAD COLLAPSED.
WATER WAS FLOODING INTO THE BUILDING.
I HAD MR. FERNANDEZ FROM TAMPA HISTORIC GROUP COME AND LOOK.
HE WAS LIKE, GOD BLESS YOU, BECAUSE IF YOU CAN'T GET THIS
FIXED RIGHT AWAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WILL BE WORKING
WITH.
SO I HAVE MADE A LOT OF MISTAKES.
I AM NOT A REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER.
I AM NOT A PROFESSIONAL REAL ESTATE INVESTOR.
I BOUGHT THIS AS A HOBBY BECAUSE I WANT TO RESTORE A
HISTORIC BUILDING.
AND I WILL TELL YOU, I HAVE LEARNED THAT REAL ESTATE REALLY
ISN'T A HOBBY.
IT IS A JOB.
I HAVE ANOTHER JOB THOUGH THAT FORTUNATELY PAYS THE BILLS.
BECAUSE FOR TWO YEARS, I COULD NOT EVEN GET A BANK TO LOOK
THAT THE PROPERTY.
IT REALLY -- IT HAD GONE FROM BEING BEAUTIFUL WITH WINDOWS
-- THE NEXT PAGE -- THE PREVIOUS TENANT, THE PREVIOUS OWNER,
GOD BLESS HIM, HAD OWNED IT SINCE THE '70s.
HE WAS LONGER RECEIVING ANY INCOME FROM RENT, AND HE
ACTUALLY HAD LOST THE ABILITY TO EVEN HAVE ANY BUSINESS
OPERATE OUT OF THE SECOND FLOOR BECAUSE HE HAD BEEN
ARRESTED FOR HAVING RAVES BACK IN THE '70s.
HE WAS VERY HAPPY TO HAVE US COME IN AND HIT HIS NUMBER AND
BUY THE PROPERTY.
AND FOR TWO YEARS, I DID EVERYTHING REPLACE THE ROOF,
THE HVAC, THE ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, EVERYTHING, JUST SO I
CAN SHOW IT TO TENANTS.
AT THIS POINT, I DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO TAKE OUT THE
BRICKS THAT WERE STRUCTURALLY DAMAGING THE PROPERTY BECAUSE
THEY WEREN'T PUT IN THERE PROPERLY.
SO 2017, THE HOME ON FRANKLIN.
I WAS ON THE BOARD WITH THE OPENER OF THAT.
HE ASKED ME IF HE COULD DO FOOD HALL.
I SAID THAT IS A GREAT IDEA.
SO WE WORKED TOGETHER.
LET ME TELL YOU, THIS BUILDING WENT FROM, YOU KNOW, REALLY A
DEPLORABLE SITUATION INTO THREE OR FOUR YEARS LATER, IT WAS
GENERATING 4.4 MILLION IN SALES OF FOOD AND ALCOHOL.
IT EMPLOYED 50 HOSPITALITY -- HOSPITALITY WORKERS AND OVER A
HALF A MILLION OF DOLLARS IN TIPS AND HELPED THE 400%
INCREASE IN REAL ESTATE TAXES THAT I EXPERIENCED.
SO NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER FOOD HALL.
UNFORTUNATELY, COVID DESTROYED A LOT OF BUSINESSES IN THE
AREA.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE HALL IN FRANKLIN IN THE WINTER
MONTHS LEADING UP TO THE -- WHEN WE HAD TO SHUT DOWN FOR
COVID HAD 10,000 TO 15,000 PEOPLE A MONTH IN THERE.
AND ALL THE BUSINESSES ON THE STREET BENEFITED.
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
I HEAR FROM THEM ALL THE TIME.
IN 2018, I STARTED A -- A YELLOW BRICK ROAD BUSINESS
ASSOCIATION SO THAT WE COULD SPEAK WITH ONE VOICE.
AND THEY ARE ALL IN SUPPORT OF PLEASE OPENING UP ANOTHER --
YOU KNOW, SPACE THAT IS GOING TO DRAW PEOPLE.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN A FURNITURE STORE, BUT THAT IS NOT GOING
TO GET THE KIND OF ACTIVITY THAT THIS AREA NEEDS.
SO I AM ASKING FOR YOUR HELP, BECAUSE THE CONDITION THAT
TYLER HUDSON MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT I DID NOT UNDERSTAND
WITH THE FIRST VACATING WAS BETWEEN ME AND TOMMY MARTINO,
WHO WAS A LAWYER.
AND I THOUGHT THE PURPOSE OF THIS CROSS-ALLEY EXPERT THAT
JAMAL, WHO NEEDED TO BUILD A FREEZER IN HIS PROPERTY, WILL
HAVE PERMANENT ACCESS TO HIS BUILDING TO RUN HIS KITCHEN.
WELL, IT TURNS OUT IT WAS PART OF THE REASON.
THE OTHER WAS TO EXHAUST HOODS TO THE ROOF.
TOMMY, WHO WAS A LAWYER, CAME TO ME -- HE LET IT EXPIRE.
JOHN GRANDOFF WROTE THE FIRST ONE AND LET IT EXPIRE.
HE SAID, MAUREEN, WE DON'T NEED TO DO THIS BECAUSE JAMAL AND
I HAVE COME TO AN AGREEMENT.
GIVE US $500 IN GIFT CARDS AND WE DON'T NEED IT.
I LET IT GO.
I DIDN'T REALIZE.
AND NOW I AM BACK QUITE A FEW YEARS LATER ASKING THAT YOU
GIVE US A HAND.
THANK YOU.
10:44:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER?
I HAVE ONE, THE OLD CARPENTER'S UNION HALL?
10:44:54AM >> YES, IT IS.
1954 -- IT OPENED IN 1920, FARIS AUTOMOBILE.
1954 IT CAME THE CARPENTER'S UNION HALL.
TOOK ME TWO ENORMOUS DUMPSTERS TO GET ALL THE MATERIALS
STACKED IN THE RAFTERS.
IT WAS JUST AMAZING.
I DID SAVE SOME OF IT, BY THE WAY.
10:45:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WAS GOING TO ASK IF YOU SAVED SOME OF IT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:45:22AM >>BILL CARLSON:
DO YOU NEED TO DISCLOSE ANY RAVE PARTIES YOU
WENT TO THERE?
10:45:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WAS HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH COUNCILMAN
MIRANDA.
I MIGHT HAVE BEEN AT A COUPLE OF THOSE PARTIES.
I WASN'T ARRESTED, BUT I WAS AT ONE OF THOSE.
10:45:40AM >> CAN YOU BE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL?
10:45:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I CAN BE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER?
10:45:49AM >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:45:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SEEING NONE.
ANY MEMBERS -- ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WISHING TO GIVE PUBLIC
COMMENT ON FILE NUMBER VAC-23-08?
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
FOR YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WILL YOU PLEASE READ
THIS OFF.
10:46:15AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MOVE ITEM NUMBER 11, FILE NUMBER VAY-23-08,
ORDINANCE FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, VACATING,
DISCONTINUING AND ABANDONING ALLEYWAY LOCATED NORTH OF
HENDERSON AVENUE, SOUTH OF 7th AVENUE, EAST OF FRANKLIN
STREET AND WEST OF FLORIDA AVENUE WITH THE PLAT OF LIVONIA
DODDS CLINE SUBDIVISION, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS,
RESTRICTIONS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HERE IN.
PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES
AND DEFINITIONS AND INTERPRETATIONS, PROVIDING FOR
SEVERABILITY.
10:46:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:47:03AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
10:47:05AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
10:47:06AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
10:47:07AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
10:47:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
10:47:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
10:47:12AM >>CLERK:
SECOND READING MAY 4, 2023 AT 9:30 A.M.
10:47:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12, FILE NUMBER E 2023-8, CHAPTER 2.
10:47:29AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
MORRIS MASSEY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
JUST TO REMIND COUNCIL, 30 DAYS AGO, PER YOUR MOTION, OUR
DEPARTMENT AND I DRAFTED A PROPOSED ORDINANCE OF THE
HONORARY NAMING OF CITY OWNED PROPERTY THAT WILL INCLUDE
CITY BUILDINGS, RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, PARKS, STREETS.
NOT THE INITIAL NAMES OF STREETS, BUT HONORARY SECONDARY
NAME OF STREETS AND SIMILAR TYPES OF FACILITIES.
THAT DRAFT ORDER PROVIDES A UNIFORM CRITERIA APPLIED FOR THE
REVIEW OF ALL REQUESTS BY PRIVATE PARTIES, MOTIONS MADE BY
CITY COUNCIL OR ADMINISTRATIVE REQUESTS FOR AN HONORARY
NAMING.
AND ALSO PROVIDES THAT CITY COUNCIL BY -- MADE THROUGH -- AS
LONG AS THAT -- AS LONG AS THAT REQUEST MEETS THE CRITERIA
IN THE ORDINANCE, THAT AN ORDINANCE WILL COME TO CITY
COUNCIL AND FOR YOUR APPROVAL, IT DOES NOT NEED TO GO
THROUGH THE MAYOR AND DIRECTLY GO TO YOU AS AN ORDINANCE.
SHE WILL HAVE THE SIMILAR PREROGATIVE TO GO THROUGH AN
EXECUTIVE ORDER PROCESS.
CRITERIA IS THE SAME.
THE REVIEW PROCESS IS THE SAME.
THE REAL ESTATE SERVICES DIVISION IS TASKED WITH DOING THE
REVIEW.
BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING IS A CLARIFICATION TO STATE THAT
BASICALLY THE REAL ESTATE SERVICES DEPARTMENT OR DIVISION
HAS TO CONDUCT THE APPROPRIATE DUE DILIGENCE TO MAKE SURE
THAT THE CRITERIA IS MET IN THE ORDINANCE.
ALSO A COUPLE OF CLARIFICATIONS REQUESTED PRIMARILY BY
COUNCILMAN CARLSON THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THIS, THAT WILL
INCLUDE ONE OF THE CRITERIA THAT A PERSON THAT WERE HONORING
IS NOT CONVICTED OF A FELONY OR A CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATION.
AND ALSO THERE IS A REQUIREMENT THAT HAS BEEN ADDED THAT ANY
-- WHETHER IT IS A MOTION FROM YOU ALL OR REQUEST FROM THE
ADMINISTRATION OR SOME PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL THAT THAT REQUEST
TO NAME CITY PROPERTY AFTER A PERSON OR AN ENTITY OR GROUP
BE PUBLISHED ON THE CITY'S WEB SITE FOR 14 DAYS TO SOLICIT
ANY PUBLIC COMMENT
THAT BE PART OF THE REPORT TO THE COUNCIL AND TO THE MAYOR
BEFORE ANY ACTION IS TAKEN ON THE REQUEST.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER THEY QUESTIONS.
10:49:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:49:43AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE SECOND ONE TO THANK THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT
MISS ZELMAN AND MR. MASSEY FOR WORKING ON THIS.
IT STARTED WITH -- WE MADE A BUNCH OF REQUESTS AND THE MAYOR
PUT TOGETHER A COMMITTEE TO GET ADVICE ON WHAT THE CRITERIA
WILL BE AND BASED ON THE COMMITTEE, AN EXECUTIVE ORDER AND A
MATCHING ORDINANCE THAT I GUESS CODIFIES THE -- THE
EXECUTIVE ORDER AND MODIFIES THE EXECUTIVE ORDER AND IT --
IT GIVES -- EQUAL RIGHTS TO CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR WITH
THE STANDARD CRITERIA -- HE THINKS IT IS A VERY FAIR
DOCUMENT.
APPRECIATE THE ADMINISTRATION, MAYOR'S OFFICE AND LEGAL FOR
WORKING THIS OUT.
I THINK IT WILL A GREAT SOLUTION.
THANK YOU.
10:50:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
HEARING NONE.
ANYONE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO FILE
NUMBER E 2023-8, CHAPTER 2?
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:50:53AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
ITEM NUMBER 12, FILE NUMBER E 2023-8 --
10:51:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SORRY, A SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION.
10:51:07AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE TITLE IS ON THE ADDENDUM.
10:51:10AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. GUDES.
FILE NUMBER 2023-8, CHAPTER 2.
SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
CONSIDERATION ORDINANCE OF ITS CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA,
PERTAINING TO THE NAMING OF CITY-OWNED PROPERTY IN HONOR OF
A PERSON, GROUP OR ENTITY AMENDING CHAPTER 2, ADMINISTRATION
OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE BY ADDING ARTICLE 11 ENTITLED X 1,
ENTITLED HONORARY NAME OF CITY OWNED PROPERTY WITH SECTION
2/826, TITLE AND PURPOSE.
SECTION 2-828 HONORARY NAMING CRITERIA, SECTION 2/829.
SECTION 2-830, REVIEW PROCESS.
SECTION 2-831.
SECTION 2-832.
AND SECTION 2-834.
PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCE AND CONFLICT.
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY.
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:52:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I AM GOING TO GET YOU SOME WATER, COUNCILMAN
MIRANDA.
10:52:35AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I NEED MORE THAN WATER.
10:52:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
AND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
SORRY, ROLL CALL.
10:52:48AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
10:52:51AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
10:52:51AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
10:52:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
10:52:53AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
10:52:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
10:52:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
10:52:57AM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION MAY 4, 2023, AT 9:30 A.M.
10:53:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
I NORMALLY LIKE TO HAVE MOTIONS HELD UNTIL LATER ON UNTIL
INFORMATION REPORTS; HOWEVER, NOW THAT WE HAVE PUT THIS INTO
MOTION, THANK YOU BOTH, STAFF AND COUNCIL, FOR MAKING SURE
THAT WE HAVE THIS IN MOTION AFTER THE WONDERFUL PRESENTATION
OF CONTRIBUTIONS OF MR. URBANSKI IN JANUARY, I REACHED OUT TO
STAFF TO REQUEST A HONORARY STREET NAME AND SO WE HAVE
RECORDS OF ALL OUR REQUESTS.
I WOULD LIKE TO ENTER MY REQUEST AS A MOTION.
I MOVE THAT STAFF LOOK INTO THE HONORARY STREET NAMING TO
RECOGNIZE THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF MR. JIM URBANSKI TO OUR
CITY, THE FORMER EDITOR OF THE TRIBUNE.
AND AREA OF THE TRIBUNE BUILDING AND UNDER STAFF REPORT ON
JUNE 15.
I MOVE THAT STAFF LOOK INTO AN HONORARY STREET NAMING OF THE
CONTRIBUTIONS MR. JIM URBANSKI IN THE AREA OF THE TRIBUNE
BUILDING AND STAFF REPORT BACK ON JUNE 15.
10:54:12AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
ONE CLARIFICATION REGARDING YOUR MOTION,
PLEASE.
MAY BE PENDING MOTIONS ON THE CALENDAR.
NOT SPECIFIC AS YOURS IS, COUNCILMAN CITRO.
BUT IF WE CAN COMBINE ALL THOSE.
BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE END UP WITH REPETITIVE MOTIONS THAT ARE
THE SAME SUBJECT MATTER.
10:54:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WILL ADD THAT WE INCLUDE ALL OF THOSE FOR
JUNE 15.
10:54:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION IN CHAIRMAN CITRO.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
ANYTHING ELSE?
10:54:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THAT'S IT.
10:54:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE -- JUST
KIDDING.
10:54:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES YOU ARE.
YOU ARE SUCH A FUNNY GUY.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL, FOR INDULGING ME.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 123, FILE NUMBER E 2023-8, CHAPTER 19.
10:55:00AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
GOOD MORNING, PETTIS-MACKLE FROM
THE LEGAL DEPARTMENTS.
I PREPARED THE SPECIFIC ORDINANCE FOR ITEM NUMBER 13 ON
BEHALF OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ENHANCEMENT DEPARTMENT.
MAKING AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 19, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE
STRUCTURE IN ORDER TO REMOVE THE RENTAL CERTIFICATE LANGUAGE
IN THE CHAPTER 19 PROVISION.
AND MISS WYNN IS PRESENT FROM STAFF IF YOU HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS FOR HER.
10:55:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FROM STAFF?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
THANK YOU.
ANYONE IN CHAMBER WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER
13, FILE NUMBER E 2023-8, CHAPTER 19.
10:55:42AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
10:55:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
10:55:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:55:51AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL RIGHT.
E 2023-8, CHAPTER 19.
ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, RELATING TO THE
RENTAL CERTIFICATE PROGRAM, MAKING REVISIONS OF CITY OF
TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES, CHAPTER 19, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE
AND STRUCTURAL STANDARDS, REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES, PARTS OF
ORDINANCES, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING A
EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:56:17AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
10:56:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:56:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I KNOW THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS
FOR A LONG TIME.
I -- I AM A PROPONENT OF RENTAL CERTIFICATE PROGRAMS SO I AM
NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO VOTE FOR THIS.
IT IS REALLY HARD TO BRING SOMETHING BACK ONCE YOU GET RID
OF IT.
SO I -- I THINK -- I THINK THAT WE COULD HAVE MOVED IN TO
SOMETHING.
BUT I UNDER STAND IT WAS IN THE WORKS WAY BEFORE I JOINED
COUNCIL.
SO I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN MY VOTE.
10:56:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:56:54AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS
REGARDING THIS ORDER CONTINUES INTO.
CHANGING OF THE ORDINANCE ANYWAY.
BUT GOING BACK FOUR MAYORS, THEY HAVE BEEN COLLECTING THIS
RENTAL CERTIFICATE.
WHEN YOU COLLECT MONEY FROM THE TAXPAYERS, NO MATTER WHAT IT
IS, A PENNY OR THOUSAND DOLLARS, YOU HAVE TO GIVE A SERVICE.
THIS CASE, THERE WAS NO SERVICE.
IT WAS JUST A TAX BASED ON YOUR RENTAL CERTIFICATE.
AND ADMINISTRATIVE GUYS AND OTHER
ISSUES THAT CAME UP.
I AM NOT SPEAKING THAT THIS IS PURELY A CORRECTION OF THIS
THING.
SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR THREE OR FOUR MAYORS IN
THE PAST.
WHAT IT DOES IS COLLECT MONEY WITHOUT THE GOVERNMENT DOING
ANY PROCESS FOR OR BETTERMENT OF SOCIETY.
NEVER A RENTAL INSPECTION THAT I KNOW OF ON ALL THE ONES
THAT BE I KNOW PEOPLE WHO HAVE THEM.
INCLUDING MYSELF.
I HAVE A TRUST THAT DOES THAT OR A TRUST THAT RUNS ME, ONE
OF THE TWO.
THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED.
I AM NOT AGAINST TAXATION.
IF YOU WANT TO SEE A MODEL OF TAXATION WITHOUT
REPRESENTATION, IS THIS IS IT.
AND I CHALLENGE THE PUBLIC OR THE ADMINISTRATION OF ANY ONE
OF THE PAST THREE MAYORS TO COME UP AND SAY THAT THEY HAVE
DONE ONE THING AND ONE INSPECTION OF A RENTAL UNIT.
WHAT HAPPENED HERE WE HAVE A REGRESSIVE AND PROGRESSIVE.
INSTEAD OF FINDING THE REAL FACTS WHAT IS GOING ON
THROUGHOUT THE CITY IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, THERE ARE
INDIVIDUALS WHO BUY A HOUSE AND THEY HAVE FOUR NAMES AND BUY
A HOUSE UNDER ONE NAME.
ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY BUY A HOUSE IN ANOTHER NAME AND ONE OF
THE PARTIES LEFT OUT.
ALL PROBABILITIES AND POSSIBILITIES THAT HAPPEN.
SO NO ONE THAT I KNOW OF VERIFIES ALL WHAT IS GOING ON.
HOWEVER, WHEN THEY RENT THE PROPERTY OUT, THE HOUSE NEXT
DOOR TO YOU IS PAYING NO ADDITIONAL TAX, JUST A BASIC TAX
AND SOMEBODY IS TAKING MORE THAN LIKELY THE HOMESTEAD
EXEMPTION WITH IT.
THESE ARE THINGS GOING ON THROUGHOUT THE CITY MAINLY IN TWO
DISTRICTS, 5 AND 6, WITHOUT ANYONE AT THE REPORTING IT TO
ANYONE.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE PROPERTY OWNER X AND Y HOUSE.
AN X HOUSE NEXT TO A Y HOUSE.
X HOUSE IS PAYING $400 AND $500 IN RENTAL AND HAS NOTHING TO
DO -- SHOULD HAVE TO DO WITH PAYING YOUR TAXES WHEN YOU HAVE
RENTAL PROPERTY.
Y HOUSE NEXT TO THE X HOUSE.
I AM NOT TRYING TO CONFUSE YOU BUT DELINEATE THE TWO HOUSES.
THAT HOUSE, THE FIRST THING THAT HAPPENINGS, YOU GET WHAT,
SOLD.
THE OTHER A FENCE AROUND IT.
THE NEXT THING YOU GET, WHAT?
A CHANGE OF VENUE OF THAT HOUSE FROM RESIDENTIAL TO PROFIT
MAKING RENTAL.
SOME OF THEM ARE MADE RIGHT NEXT TO THEN'S HOUSE.
AND IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, I CAN SHOW YOU 100 OF THEM
BECAUSE ONE OR TWO ADMINISTRATIONS IN THE PAST, I THINK THEY
REALIZED THE PROBLEM STAND A STUDY OF 121, I BELIEVE IT WAS,
HOUSES IN A SMALL AREA IN A GEOGRAPHICAL MEMBER OF THE CITY.
AND NO ADMINISTRATION HAD THE COURAGE TO TRY TO CHANGE WHAT
HAPPENED.
SO THE SCHOOL BOARD NEEDS MONEY.
EVERY GOVERNMENT NEEDS MONEY.
THERE ARE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS LEFT ON THE TABLE BECAUSE WE
DO NOT DO THE RIGHT THING AND MAKE EVERYONE QUALIFIED UNDER
THE SAME SECTION.
WHEN YOU APPLY AND YOU TURN IN YOUR TAXES TO THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT, THE IRS, THEY AT LEAST LOOK AT IT AND TELL YOU
DID THE RIGHT THING OR THE WRONG THING AND YOU COME TO SOME
AGREEMENT.
IN THIS CASE, ALWAYS THE WRONG THING WITHOUT NO ONE DOING
ANYTHING TO SUFFICE THE SITUATION THAT WE HAVE.
WE CERTAINLY HAVE ENOUGH MONEY THERE.
IT WAS COLLECTED.
WOULD HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS -- NOTICE I SAID
SOME OF THE PROBLEMS.
YOU ARE NOT GOING TO ALLEVIATE ALL OF THEM.
BUT THIS CITY, THIS COUNTY, AND THIS SCHOOL BOARD OUGHT TO
GET TOGETHER TO FILED OUT WHAT IS CONTINUING ON SO THOSE
FUNDS CAN BE DELINEATED TO SOMETHING USEFUL FOR SOCIETY.
I WILL USE THE EXAMPLE FOR -- CERTAINLY YOU HEARD ABOUT
TRANSITIONAL HOUSING, WORKFORCE HOUSING.
THIS IS A GOOD USE FOR THAT?
POSSIBLY.
THE SCHOOL BOARD NEEDS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR A LOT MORE
THINGS.
THE COUNTY NEEDS FUNDS FOR THE SAME THING WE ARE ASKING FOR.
BUT NO ONE WITH GOING OUT TO MAKE A CONCERTED EFFORT TO
CELEBRATE THESE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE.
THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT IS THERE.
IT IS NOT GOING TO GO AWAY.
IT IS ONLY GOING TO EXACERBATE THE SITUATION FURTHER AND
LONGER AND YOU HAVE MORE HOUSES THAT YOU THINK ARE
RESIDENTIAL THAT ARE NOT RESIDENTIAL.
THEY ARE COMMERCIALLY USED FOR RENTAL PROPERTIES.
AND THERE IS NO TAX BEING COLLECTED ON THE AD VALOREM SIDE
ON THE RENTAL PROPERTY.
I REST MY CASE FOR THAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:02:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:02:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THIS -- FOR ME, THIS
DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH TAXATION.
I BELIEVE THE FEE FOR THAT STOPPED YEARS AGO BECAUSE ALL YOU
HAD TO REALLY DO WAS GO IN AND SAY YOU HAD A RENTAL HOUSE.
THERE WAS NO FEE ATTACHED, AT LEAST ONCE I STARTED BECOMING
A LANDLORD IN THE CITY.
I WAS EXPECTING A FEE, AND I DIDN'T HAVE ONE.
TO ME, THIS DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH TAXATION.
THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT I THINK THAT RENTAL
CERTIFICATE PROGRAMS WHEN DONE CORRECTLY ARE A GOOD THING.
AND THIS -- OBVIOUSLY IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY WEREN'T DOING WHAT
THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO.
I STILL THINK THEY COULD BE A POSITIVE FOR THE CITY.
SO THANK YOU.
11:02:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
THANK YOU.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
I THOUGHT COUNCILMAN GUDES DID.
HE DID.
11:03:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
JUST MAKING SURE.
11:03:13AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:03:14AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
11:03:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:03:16AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:03:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
11:03:19AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:03:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
11:03:21AM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK VOTE NOTHING.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION MAY 4, 2023 AT 9:30 A.M.
11:03:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14, FILE NUMBER E 2023-8, CHAPTERS 23 AND
27.
11:03:36AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
GOOD MORNING, AGAIN, CAMARIA
PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I PREPARED THE SPECIFIC ORDINANCE ASSOCIATE WAD ITEM NUMBER
14 ON BEHALF OF THE ZONING DEPARTMENT AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD
ENHANCEMENT DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL TOOL FOR THE
DEPARTMENTS TO ENFORCE VIOLATIONS OF CODE SECTIONS 27-289.7.
CURRENTLY, THE DEPARTMENTS ARE ONLY ABLE TO USE A NOTICE OF
VIOLATION THAT IS HEARD BEFORE A CODE ENFORCEMENT SPECIAL
MASTER TO ADDRESS THOSE VIOLATIONS.
THE DEPARTMENTS WOULD LIKE AN ADDITIONAL TOOL WITH THE
ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE CITATIONS TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS
WHO MAY HAVE BEEN VIOLATING THIS CODE SECTION.
11:04:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:04:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND WHAT EXACTLY DOES THIS CODE SECTION DO?
11:04:24AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
THIS CODE SECTION AS -- AND I CAN
PROVIDE IT ON THE ELMO.
THIS IS --
11:04:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST SO THE PUBLIC IS AWARE.
11:04:36AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
269.87.
PROHIBITED SIGNS.
AND EXAMPLE OF PROHIBITED SIGN IS A FLAG OR SIGN AS
ENUMERATED.
THAT IS ACCORDING TO THE CHART IN CODE SECTION 27-289.7.
I AM GIVING YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT IS PROHIBITED IN THE
CODE.
11:04:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SORRY.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING UP ON OUR MONITORS.
THANK YOU.
11:05:02AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
THIS IS A LIST OF EXAMPLES OF SIGNS
PROHIBITED BUT CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW.
THE DEPARTMENTS ONLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO ISSUE NOTICES OF
VIOLATIONS.
CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, THE DEPARTMENTS WOULD LIKE TO HAVE
THE ABILITY TO ISSUE CITATIONS AND WHAT THIS ORDINANCE WILL
ALLOW THEM TO DO.
11:05:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:05:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL HAVE TO SAY I THINK FOLKS WILL BE
REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE SNIPE SIGN.
11:05:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
11:05:54AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I JUST -- I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WHAT WAS
SAID.
SOMETIMES YOU DRIVE BY A NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT IS NICE AND
PEACEFUL, AS FAR AS SIGNS THAT YOU SEE THAT ARE -- WHEN YOUR
EYES HIT THAT YOU CAN SEE THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG
SOMEWHERE, BECAUSE ALL YOU SEE IS -- ANIMAL FOR SALE OR BIRD
FOR SALE OR DO THIS.
AND WE HAVE -- AND I KNOW THERE IS A REGULATION REGARDING
WHEN YOU HAVE A YARD SALE.
I THINK I HAVE -- IF I REMEMBER, YOU CAN HAVE THREE A YEAR.
I AM NOT SURE.
BUT SOMETIMES THEY DO THREE A MONTH.
AND THOSE THINGS ARE WELL WHEN YOU GO WITHIN THE LAW.
YOU CAN CERTAINLY DO IT RIGHT.
WHEN YOU START DOING IT ON A WEEKLY BASIS, IT SORT OF
DEVALUES THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S VALUE AND IT BECAME A NUISANCE
OF CARS COMING IN AND OUT AT ALL TIMES OF THE DAY AND
SOMETIMES INTO THE NIGHT.
SO I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT THAT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, THE
ADMINISTRATION IS MAKING TO SUBJECT SOME OF THESE THINGS
JUST BE BANNED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:06:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:06:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN YOU IMMEDIATELY FIND SOMEONE?
OR WOULD IT -- WOULD IT BE A WARNING AND THEN A FINE.
11:07:08AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
THAT PROCESS IS DETERMINED BY THE
CODE, BUT THE DEPARTMENT WILL UTILIZE DIFFERENT RESOURCES A
WARNING TO THE PROPERTY OWNER TO REMOVE THE SIGN AND A
PROHIBITION ACCORDING TO THE CODE AND INITIATING A CITATION
WILL BE UP FOR THE DEPARTMENT.
11:07:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BECAUSE I HAVE TO SAY.
I CAN SEE THE SNIPE SIGNS ATTACHED TO TELEPHONE POLES,
UTILITY POLES, THAT SORT OF THING.
BUT PEOPLE REALLY DON'T UNDER STAND WHERE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY
IS.
SO I AM CONCERNED THAT SOME MAY PUT A SIGN IN THEIR YARD,
PER SE, ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY GET THE FINE AND DIDN'T KNOW
THAT THE FRONT YARD IS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
WE HAVE THAT ALL THE TIME IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I HEARD THAT ALL THROUGHOUT THIS ELECTION CYCLE OF, HEY,
THERE ARE SIGNS IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
SO HOW DO WE -- HOW ARE WE GOING TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC
BEFORE WE START GIVING CITATIONS?
OTHERWISE, WE WILL HAVE A FLOOD OF PEOPLE COMING TO CITY
HALL.
YARD SALES, THE WHOLE THING.
11:08:15AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN.
OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS FOR THE DEPARTMENT TO INITIATE A
EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT WITH THIS MATTER, AND I AM SURE THE
DEPARTMENT WILL DO THAT ALONG WITH ANY ENFORCEMENT IS TO EDUCATE
THE COMMUNITY AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD REGARDING ANY NEW
PROVISIONS THEY ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS.
I AM SURE THE DEPARTMENT WILL DEFENSE ANY OF THE UTILIZE
THAT AS A EDUCATIONAL TOOL.
11:08:45AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I CAN'T SUPPORT SOMETHING RIGHT NOW WHEN
THE COMMUNITY HAVEN'T BEEN EDUCATED.
IF WE PASS THIS AND WE START GOING -- THE DEPARTMENT GOES
OUT TOMORROW.
SHE IS RIGHT, WE ARE GOING TO GET AN INFLUX OF PEOPLE -- WE
NEED TO EDUCATE THE PEOPLE FIRST.
NUMBER TWO, ANOTHER THING I SEE WITH THESE SIGNS, YOU KNOW,
THEY ARE ALL OVER THE POLES AND THE COMMUNITY AND EYESORES,
BUT SOMETIMES WHAT THEY CALL RUNNERS.
ACTUAL PRINTING COMPANIES AND BUSINESSES THAT EMPLOY THESE
RUNNERS TO GO OUT THERE AND PUT THESE SIGNS UP.
HOW DO WE CITE -- WHO DO WE CITE?
YOU GET A YOUNG KID AND TRYING TO MAKE A COUPLE OF BUCKS.
GO PUT SIGNS UP.
DO WE GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE PEOPLE MAKING THE SIGNS TO PUT
THE SIGNS UP.
11:09:35AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
ONE THING I WANT COUNCIL TO BE AWARE OF
WHEN DEBATING THE ISSUE, PROHIBITED SIGNS HAVE BEEN ON ITS
BOOKS FOR YEARS.
NOT A NEW BRAND-NEW REQUIREMENT THAT YOU CAN'T DO THIS.
WE HAVE BEEN ENFORCING THE CODE.
THIS IS JUST MERELY ANOTHER MECHANISM TO ENFORCE THE CODE.
I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN
IF YOU WANTED TO WE CAN DELAY THE EFFECTIVE DATE AND COME
BACK WITH A DELAYED EFFECTIVE DATE SO THERE COULD BE SOME
EDUCATION, BUT JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW, THIS LIST OF PROHIBITED
SIGNS HAVE BEEN IN THE CODE SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE 20 YEARS
AGO.
11:10:12AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MASSEY, I TOTALLY AGREE AND WITH TIME,
PEOPLE HAVE DIED, NEW PEOPLE ARE BORN.
PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THE RULES.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, BUT PEOPLE DON'T
KNOW TO KNOW.
11:10:24AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
THE DEPARTMENT -- COUNCILMAN GUDES,
JUST TO MAKE YOU AWARE, THE DEPARTMENT ALREADY ISSUES
NOTICES OF VIOLATIONS REGARDING VIOLATIONS OF THIS CODE.
THEY ARE HEARD BY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT SPECIAL MAGISTRATE
RIGHT NOW.
I HAVE STATISTICS OF THE NUMBER OF VIOLATIONS ISSUE FOR THIS
CODE SECTION ALONE FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS.
THIS IS PROVIDING ANOTHER TOOL FOR THE DEPTH TO ENFORCE THIS
CODE.
11:10:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:10:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK I WOULD BE MORE IN SUPPORT OF THIS IF
THERE WAS A DELINEATION OF THE FIRST TIME YOU ARE GOING TO
GET A WARNING.
THE SECOND TIME YOU CAN GET A FINE.
BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE COMING
WHO JUST DON'T KNOW.
AND IF YOU LEAVE IT UP TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S -- THAT IT IS EQUAL
THROUGHOUT.
THAT IT IS BEING USED IN THE SAME WAY.
SO I THINK THAT IT IS -- I -- I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE IDEA
OF A CITATION.
I JUST -- I DON'T AGREE WITH IT BEING -- IT BEING JUST UP TO
THE OFFICER TO DECIDE IF THE PERSON GETS A WARNING OR
VIOLATION.
I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE A WARNING FIRST.
11:11:49AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
THE PROCESS FOR ADDRESSING THIS
VIOLATION THAT IS ALREADY IN THE CODE, AGAIN, THIS IS UP TO
THE DEPARTMENT TO DETERMINE THE PROCESS OF TALKING TO THE
RESPONDENT.
EDUCATING THE RESPONDENT.
KIND OF SIDING AFTER THAT EDUCATION COMPONENT IF THE VIOLATION
STILL EXISTS.
UP FOR THE DEPARTMENT TO SAY THE CITATION IS GOING TO BE
ISSUED OR NOTICE OF VIOLATION WILL BE ISSUED.
11:12:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AGREE, BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS, IT SHOULD
BE A REQUIREMENT THAT THAT NOTIFICATION HAPPENING FIRST.
11:12:25AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THE OTHER THING SO THAT COUNCIL IS AWARE,
WITH THE DEPARTMENT ISSUES THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION.
THAT CAN BE CONTESTED.
NOT AN AUTOMATIC, YOU HAVE TO PAY.
THAT CAN BE CONTESTED IN THE COURT.
THE CIVIL CITATION.
THE CIVIL PROCESS.
11:12:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS AND
THEY CAN CONTEST IT.
WE ARE ADDING A LAYER OF BUREAUCRACY.
IF WE SIMPLY GIVE A WARNING FIRST AND THEN THE SECOND TIME
--
11:12:57AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I THINK WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS
AMENDING OTHER SECTIONS OF THE CODE AND WE WILL HAVE TO COME
BACK AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT.
THE CIVIL CITATION PROCESS HAS BEEN IN EFFECT FOR A LONG
PERIOD OF TIME IN THE CITY AND PROCESS BY WHICH WE HAVE BEEN
ABLE TO ADDRESS CODE ENFORCEMENT WITHOUT TAKING UP THE CODE
ENFORCEMENT PROCESS FAIRLY SIMPLE VIOLATIONS ON THEIR FACE
SO THEY CAN BE ADDRESSED.
I THINK WHAT THE DEPARTMENT TRIES TO DO TO EDUCATE AND GIVE
WARNINGS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS MANDATED IN THE CODE.
WE WILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT.
IF THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.
11:13:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE CAN CERTAIN LEAP TURN THIS INTO A
WORKSHOP.
I THINK OVERALL THE IDEA IS A GOOD IDEA, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE ARE NOT CREATING MORE HEADACHES FOR THE PUBLIC.
11:13:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:13:55AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ARE WE PRESSED FOR TIME ON THIS?
CAN THIS BE SET FOR A WORKSHOP UNTIL SOME OF THE QUESTIONS
ARE ANSWERED FOR COUNCIL?
BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER ALL THE
QUESTIONS.
SEEMS SOMETHING ELSE IS GOING INTO SOMETHING ELSE.
IS THIS ORDINANCE PRESSED FOR TIME WITH THE DEPARTMENTS?
11:14:15AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
NO, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
I SEE MISS WYNN.
11:14:27AM >>OCEA WYNN:
I WOULD ADVISE THAT YOU DO A WORKSHOP SO WE CAN
SEE WHAT THE CURRENT PROCESS IS FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT.
THE STEPS THAT ARE TAKEN BEFORE ACTUALLY WE ISSUE A NOTICE
OF VIOLATION AND BEFORE IT GOES TO THE MAGISTRATE.
SO THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND HOW CRITICAL AND IMPORTANT IT IS
THAT WE HAVE THIS -- THIS IS INTERIM PIECE IN PLACE.
SO, YES.
11:14:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
AND I WOULD 100% AGREE.
AND I THINK IT IS -- IT IS FOR OUR EDIFICATION, BUT ALSO
COULD BE GREAT FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE THAT BEFORE WE PUT THIS
INTO EFFECT BECAUSE SIGNS ARE JUST SOMETHING THAT ARE.
I MEAN, IT IS A HUGE PROBLEM, BUT ALSO SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE
WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO CORRECTLY.
SO I THINK THAT IS A GREAT IDEA COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SO -- DO WE HAVE A FREE WORKSHOP?
THE 27th A -- IS ALL THE HOUSING.
HOW -- IS -- IS MAY TOO SOON?
11:15:37AM >>OCEA WYNN:
WHAT DATE IN MAY?
11:15:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MAY 25.
11:15:40AM >>OCEA WYNN:
MAY 25 SHOULD WORK.
11:15:43AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE ONLY THING YOU ADDED WAS EVERYTHING
RELATED TO PURE AND WASTEWATER.
11:15:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, PURE AND WASTEWATER.
11:15:51AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND ONE OTHER ITEM.
11:15:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF IT TURNS OUT IT IS A PROBLEM EITHER FOR
TOO MANY THINGS OR IF YOU NEED MORE TIME, I THINK WE CAN --
JUST LET US KNOW.
11:16:00AM >>OCEA WYNN:
THAT I WILL.
11:16:03AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO I MAKE A MOTION TO TAKE ITEM NUMBER 14
AND TURN IT INTO A WORKSHOP ITEM AGENDA FOR MAY 25.
11:16:14AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND.
11:16:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TO TAKE
FILE NUMBER E 2023-23 AND 27 TO BE UNTIL MAY 25 WORKSHOP
DATE.
WE HAVE A SECOND BE COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENT?
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:16:50AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD -- EXCUSE ME.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADD A COMPANION MOTION TO HAVE MISS WYNN AND
CODE ENFORCEMENT COME BEFORE US JUST BEFORE OR AFTER THAT
DISCUSSION TO TALK ABOUT THE CURRENT STATUS OF ENFORCEMENT
OF THE CODE AND WHERE THE FINES ARE GOING.
THAT IS FOR ALL CODE, NOT JUST THIS -- SIGNS.
TO THE POINT THAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA MADE EARLIER ABOUT THE
RENT -- RENTAL CERTIFICATES.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU ALL, BUT I AM GETTING COMPLAINTS
EVERY DAY OF CODE VIOLATIONS.
PEOPLE DON'T KNOW IF -- PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THINGS
AREN'T BEING ENFORCED.
FINES ARE NOT BEING AGAIN.
WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO TO INCREASE
THE FINE FOR PUSHING LEAVES INTO THE STREET BECAUSE THEY
BLOCK THE -- THE STORM TRAINS AND EVERYWHERE I GO NOW, THEY
ARE PUSHING INTO IT AGAIN.
IN GENERAL, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR AS A COMPANION
WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT.
AND SECONDLY, WHERE DO THE FINES GO IF -- TO -- TO
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S POINT, IF THERE IS SUPPOSED TO BE A
SERVICE PROVIDED THE MONEY FOR THOSE FINES IN THEORY WILL GO
TOWARD CODE ENFORCEMENT OF THE ISSUES.
11:18:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY.
11:18:19AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I BELIEVE AND WE CAN ANSWER THAT.
THAT IS A FINE THAT I SUSPECT IS DIFFERENT THAN A FEE FOR A
RENTAL CERTIFICATE.
11:18:26AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT A RENTAL CERTIFICATE.
I WANT AN UPDATE ON ALL CODE ENFORCEMENT AND
WHERE THE FEES ARE GOING.
11:18:34AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OKAY.
AND JUST -- I THINK THAT WILL BE HELPFUL FOR COUNCIL
ESPECIALLY IN THE NEW TERM, BECAUSE ONE OF THE ISSUES,
AGAIN, RELATIVE TO CODES ENFORCEMENT, THE FACT THAT STATE
LEGISLATOR REQUIRE THAT THEY CAN NO LONGER BE ANONYMOUS AND
PEOPLE HAVE TO GIVE THEIR NAMES AND MY UNDERSTANDING THAT
COULD VERY WELL HAVE AN EFFECT ON PEOPLE'S ABILITY AND
WILLINGNESS TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY.
THAT MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNCIL TO DISCUSS
THAT.
11:19:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:19:04AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IF I RECALL, IT WAS IN 2020, I ASKED FOR
CODE TO COME AND EXPLAIN WHERE THAT MONEY GOES.
BECAUSE I WANTED THAT MONEY -- IF YOU WERE GIVING VIOLATIONS
TO HOUSING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHY WASN'T THAT MONEY GOING
INTO A HOUSING FUND.
REMEMBER THAT?
I BELIEVE I WAS TOLD THAT THE MONEY THAT -- THAT THEY ARE
COLLECTING IN FINES OR WHAT HAVE YOU GOES TO SUPPORT OR
ALLOCATE SLOTS FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE ANSWER THAT HE WAS GIVEN.
NOW IT HAS BEEN A WHILE, BECAUSE I WAS WONDERING, WELL, IF
CODE IS DOING VIOLATIONS ON HOUSES AND COLLECTING GUYS,
THOSE GUYS SHOULD BE GOING INTO HOUSING TRUST TO HELP WITH
THE HOUSING CRISIS -- THE HOUSING SITUATION.
SUPPORT THAT, MR. CARLSON, TO FIND OUT WHERE THOSE DOLLARS
ARE ACTUALLY BEING SPENT.
IF IT IS FOR THE CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT OR WHERE DOES
THAT GO IN LIEU OF THEIR DEPARTMENT.
MAYBE TIME TO REVISIT AGAIN.
BUT AS I RECALL, ASKED ABOUT IT IN 2020.
11:20:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MISS WYNN.
11:20:18AM >>OCEA WYNN:
OCEA WYNN, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY AFFAIRS.
I AM ASKING IF YOU ARE ASKING US TO COME BACK, IF WE COME
BACK AFTER THE WORKSHOP, BECAUSE THING THERE ARE MORE ITEMS
THAT MAY ARISE.
AND THEN WE CAN TO HE COULD US ON THE MOTION A LITTLE BIT
MORE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING YOU WITH THE
INFORMATION THAT YOU ARE REQUESTING
11:20:36AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU ARE SAYING THE NEXT WORKSHOP INSTEAD OF
MAY 25.
11:20:42AM >>OCEA WYNN:
NO, SIR.
WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT YOU -- I THOUGHT I HEARD YOUR
MOTION TO SAY THAT WE COME BEFORE OR AFTER THE WORKSHOP.
I WOULD RATHER DO IT AFTER THE WORKSHOP IN CASE THERE ARE
THINGS THAT COME THROUGH IN THE WORKSHOP THAT WE CAN ADDRESS
AT THAT POINT IN TIME, AS WELL AS WE CAN HONE IN A LITTLE
BIT MORE ON THE REQUEST BECAUSE IT IS SOMEWHAT GENERAL.
11:21:04AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MY MOTION WAS TO HAVE -- I WILL CLARIFY IT
BASED ON WHAT SHE SAID.
TO ASK MISS WYNN AND CODE ENFORCEMENT TO COME AFTER THE
DISCUSSION ON -- ON THE PREVIOUS CODE ISSUES TO -- AT THE
MAY 25 WORKSHOP TO -- TO DISCUSS CODE ENFORCEMENT IN
GENERAL.
AND WHERE THE -- WHERE THE CODE ENFORCEMENT FINES ARE GOING.
11:21:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THERE A SECOND?
11:21:39AM >> SECOND.
11:21:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECOND BY HE COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ANY DISCUSSION?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:21:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I UNDERSTAND YOU ASKING TO COME ON A
DIFFERENT DATE, THAT'S CORRECT?
11:21:52AM >>OCEA WYNN:
NO, MA'AM.
TWO DATES.
FIRST THE WORKSHOP ON THE 25th OF MAY.
AND THEN TO ADDRESS COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S MOTION AFTER THAT
IN CASE THERE ARE THINGS THAT COME UP ON THE 25th.
11:22:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS WHAT I HEARD.
SO I AM GOING TO RECOMMEND IF I CAN AMEND YOUR MOTION, THE
NEXT -- THE GOOD ONE WILL BE AUGUST 31 WORKSHOP SESSION.
WE DON'T HAVE A WORKSHOP IN JULY.
11:22:18AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU MEAN ON THE SAME DAY.
11:22:23AM >>OCEA WYNN:
GIVE US TIME IN CASE SOME THINGS COME UP.
11:22:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE DON'T HAVE A WORKSHOP IN JULY.
WE COULD DO JUNE IF THAT IS ENOUGH TIME.
11:22:31AM >>OCEA WYNN:
JUNE SHOULD BE ENOUGH TIME.
11:22:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUNE 22 HE.
11:22:35AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MODIFY MY MOTION TO COME BACK ON JUNE 22.
11:22:40AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I AM AMENABLE.
11:22:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:22:49AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
A WAGON THAT A HORSE CAN'T PULL IT.
BUT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS YOU CAN ADD TO THIS WORKSHOP.
A COUPLE OF THEM IN HIT MY MIND VERY QUICKLY.
THE VIOLATION ON A HOUSE -- IT IS GETTING MORE AND MORE
PREVALENT.
YOU SEE IT EVERY WEEK.
SOMEONE BUYS A HOUSE AND A SECOND OR THIRD OWNER.
A SECOND OR THIRD OWNER WHATEVER.
AND GETS CITED FOR SOMETHING THAT THE ORIGINAL OWNER DID 15
YEARS AGO OR FIVE YEARS AGO.
AND WE HAVE TO GET -- HE BELIEVE IN MY JUDGMENT GET THE
BOARD OF REALTORS INVOLVED AT THE TIME THEY MAKE A SALE.
WE DON'T RECORD EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS.
WE JUST -- AND I GO BACK TO THE SWALES ON A HOUSE 25 YEARS
AGO, 20 YEARS AGO.
SOMEBODY COMES HERE WITH THEIR LOVELY WIFE AND WANT TO BUY A
HOUSE.
THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE DRAINAGE WAS SWALED AT THE TIME.
IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE SWALE MORE THAN LIKELY FLOOD ONE OR
BOTH ON EITHER SIDE.
THEY SELL THE HOUSE TO ME.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THERE.
IT DOESN'T COME UP WHEN WE DO THE DUE DILIGENCE.
AND ATTORNEYS DO THE DUE DILIGENCE.
NOW I BUY THE HOUSE.
I AM THERE SIX MONTHS.
I SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I WANT TO FILL IN THE SWALES WITH SOME
NICE-LOOKING PLANTS.
I FILL IN THE SWALES.
AND IT WORKS UNTIL IT RAINS.
IN JUNE, JULY AND AUGUST.
SO NOW THE PROPERTY GETS FLOODED ON BOTH SIDES.
WELL, THEY COME AFTER ME.
I DIDN'T KNOW THE VIOLATION WAS THERE.
THE ORIGINAL OWNER KNEW IT WAS THERE.
BUT BY THE TIME WE GET IT, IT IS A DONE DEAL.
HOW DO WE SOLVE THAT PROBLEM?
THESE ARE THE THINGS I WANT TO DISCUSS IN A WORKSHOP WITH
THE BOARD OF REALTORS POSSIBLY SO MAKE SURE THEY DON'T GET
CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
THE NEXT ONE IS -- AGAIN IN DISTRICT 4 AND DISTRICT 5.
I MEAN DISTRICT 6 AND DISTRICT 5.
I THINK I SAID 4 BEFORE BUT I WANT TO CORRECT MYSELF, 5 AND
6.
YOU SEE A PREPONDERANCE OF SEMIS BEING PARKED ON THE ROAD.
SOME WITH A TRAILER AND TRACTOR.
SOME WITH JUST THE TRAILER.
USED TO BE THAT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WOULD SEE IT
AND PUT A SIGN ON IT.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT WOULD DISAPPEAR.
MAYBE ILLEGAL TO PUT A SIGN OR NOTICE OF VIOLATION.
BUT A NOTICE THAT YOU WILL NOT GET FINED THE FIRST TIME.
THEY WOULD TELL YOU ON THAT NOTICE THAT IF YOU ARE FINED A
SECOND TIME, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO PULL IT AWAY.
JOHN WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT, BUT I SEE MORE AND MORE OF THAT
HAPPENING NOT ONLY IN AREAS OF AREAS WITH A LOT OF
DWELLINGS, BUT AREAS EVEN IN THE AREAS OF DREW PARK.
WHERE YOU SEE THIS AS NO PARKING.
AND YOU SEE A BIG RIG THERE OVER THE WEEKEND ON THE CITY
RIGHT-OF-WAY PARKED.
THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS, IS WHAT ABOUT SOME KIDS ON THE OUR
SIDE OF THAT SEMI COMES OUT.
NO ONE CAN SEE HER -- SEE HIM OR HER.
THIS COULD BE A CATASTROPHE FOR A FAMILY.
WANT TO ADD THESE TWO.
A WARNING EVERY TIME YOU SEE A TRACTOR OR TRACTOR AND
TRAILER THAT YOU DON'T BELONG HERE.
THIS IS NOT ZONED FOR THAT.
IF YOU SEE THE STREETS GOING TO BE PAVED HERE MORE LIKELY
SOONER THAN LATER?
WHAT DOES THE SEMI DO TO THE HEAVY WEIGHT CONTINUOUSLY ON
THE CITY STREETS.
IT TEARS THEM APART.
WE EXACERBATE OURSELF SAYING WE WANT TO DO THIS AND PASS AN
ORDINANCE AND IT IS VERY HARD TO ENFORCE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT IF I MAY ADD THESE TWO, THE
SEMIS AND THE VIOLATION, WHEN SOMEBODY BUY AS HOUSE -- THE
REASON I BRING THIS UP.
ONE IN THE COUNTY, BELIEVE IT OR NOT I AM WORKING ON.
AN INDIVIDUAL STOPPED ME AT THE RACETRACK AND TOLD ME OF HIS
PROBLEMS.
HE WAS THE THIRD OWNER OF THE HOUSE.
HE BUILT SOMETHING THAT WAS SIX INCHES GREATER THAN.
AND SOMEBODY CALLED AND SAID I DON'T WANT THIS, AND HE HAS
A VIOLATION.
BUT WHEN THEY CAME AND SAW THAT, THEY CAME TO AN AGREEMENT,
EVEN WITH THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION, BUT WHAT THEY FINED HIM
FOR WAS SOME WALL THAT THE PREVIOUS OWNER PUT UP 25 YEARS
AGO.
AND NOW THEY WANT HIM TO FIX IT.
THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT HATCHED.
11:27:25AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ON THE SWALE ISSUE, I THINK THERE IS A SPENDING MOTION THAT
THE ADMINISTRATION IS SUPPOSED TO REPORT BACK TO YOU TO
PROVIDE INFORMATION ON.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IS.
I KNOW IT HAS BEEN EXPECTED A COUPLE OF TIMES.
MR. BHIDE IS INVOLVED IN THAT.
11:27:43AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I APPRECIATE THAT, MR. MASSEY.
PUT ALL THIS INTO ONE AND HAVE A CONVINCING AFTERNOON OF
TALKING ABOUT STRUCTURAL PLANS MAYBE WE CAN AND CANNOT
DO.
11:27:53AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THAT IS FINE.
IF YOU WERE TRYING TO MAKE A NEW MOTION ON THAT, I WOULD
JUST LIKE -- YOUR CALENDAR IS ALREADY GETTING CLUTTERED IN
SOME OF YOUR MEETINGS AND ALL THE MOTIONS AND THINGS WE ARE
TRYING TO RESPOND TO AND CAN CONSOLIDATE IT.
11:28:07AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, IF
POSSIBLE.
11:28:11AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR.
11:28:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:28:16AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE POINT OF VEHICLES PARKED.
IF MISS WYNN, YOU CAN GET STAFF TO TALK TO US OF THE KIND OF
CODE ENFORCEMENT THAT WE ARE HEARING.
THAT WILL GIVE YOU WITH SPECIFIC EXAMPLES.
THAT WILL BE ONE AND STRENGTHEN THAT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
TO THE FIRST ONE, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, A SEPARATE BIGGER
ISSUE.
I AM HAPPY TO MAKE A SEPARATE MOTION OR YOU CAN MAKE IT.
BUT WE OUGHT TO MAKE A SEPARATE MOTION AFTER THIS THAT JUST
ADDRESSES THINGS HAVE BEEN BUILT ILLEGALLY AND HOW DO WE GO
THROUGH DO WE ADDRESS TO BE FAIR TO EVERYONE.
WE ADDRESSED PIECES EARLIER WITH OTHER MOTIONS, BUT MAYBE
PASS THIS MOTION AND TRY TO DO A SEPARATE MOTION ON THAT.
11:29:07AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT IS FINE.
11:29:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE STILL HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR MADE BY
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
AMENDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND STILL SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:29:17AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
11:29:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ROLL CALL VOTE ON THAT, PLEASE.
11:29:22AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
11:29:26AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:29:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:29:29AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:29:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
11:29:30AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:29:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
11:29:32AM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:29:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE
YOUR MOTION --
11:29:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SORRY, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:29:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHATEVER YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO.
11:29:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, PLEASE PROCEED.
11:29:45AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WILL THROW THIS OUT AS AN IDEA AND YOU CAN
EDIT OR CHANGE IT.
TO HAVE MISS WYNN AND HER DEPARTMENT COME BACK ON THE SAME
DAY AT THE WORKSHOP IN JUNE TO BE DISCUSS HOW THE CITY CAN
FAIRLY AND SYSTEMATICALLY GO THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS TO
IDENTIFY WHAT STRUCTURES ARE THERE ILLEGALLY.
YOU ADDRESS THEM -- THE ILLEGAL STRUCTURES AND HOW TO
WORK WITH THE REALTOR AND REAL ESTATE COMMUNITY TO
ADEQUATELY INFORM BUYERS OF PROPERTIES ABOUT THE RIGHTS THAT
PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE ON THEIR STRUCTURES.
DOES THAT COVER IT?
11:30:32AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT IS FINE.
11:30:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
11:30:41AM >>OCEA WYNN:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ONE COMMENT.
WHEN WE LOOK AT LEGAL BUILDING STRUCTURES, THAT IS NOT CODE
ENFORCEMENT.
THAT IS BUILDING SERVICES.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS CLEAR.
11:30:52AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SHOULD I CHANGE THE MOTION THIS?
11:30:57AM >>OCEA WYNN:
CONSTRUCTION SERVICES.
11:31:01AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SHOULD I SAY BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION
SERVICES.
I WANT TO MODIFY TO SAY CONSTRUCTION SERVICES.
11:31:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MODIFY THE MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
11:31:15AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU, APPRECIATE IT.
11:31:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION CARRIES.
MOTION PASSED.
CONSENT AGENDA.
11:31:26AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOVE ITEMS 15-28.
11:31:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA AND SECONDED BY
MIRANDA.
COUNCILMAN GUDES, PARKS AND RECREATION.
11:31:38AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVE.
11:31:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, PUBLIC WORKS.
11:31:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOVE ITEMS 38-56.
11:31:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, FINANCE.
11:32:01AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
BEFORE I GO THERE, 64 WAS PULLED, AM I
CORRECT?
I MOVE 57-63.
11:32:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
BUILDING AND ZONING WITH A SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION ON AGENDA
ITEM NUMBER 79.
11:32:32AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU NEEDS TO RECUSE MYSELF ON 73 AND 74.
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE 65 TO 79 INCLUDING A SUBSTITUTE OPTION
79 EXCEPT FOR 73 AND 74 MOVE 65-78 MINUS 73 AND 74.
11:32:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
11:33:02AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO PLEASE ASK COUNCIL TO
RECEIVE AND FILE MY FORM 8B OR 73 AND 74.
AND JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S EDIFICATION AND THE -- AND ANY
STAFF MEMBERS WHO ARE WATCHING AND TAKING NOTE.
I WANT TO SAY THAT MY FIRM DOES NOT DO ANY BUSINESS WITH
ANYBODY RELATED TO CITY PROJECTS.
WE DON'T ADVISE PEOPLE ON CITY PROJECTS.
AND WE DON'T WORK DIRECTLY ON ANY CITY PROJECTS.
HOWEVER, THE ETHICS COMMISSION ASKS US TO, WHEN IN
QUESTION, FOR ANY DOUBT WHATSOEVER TO GO AHEAD AND RECUSE
OURSELVES BECAUSE THAT IS THE ETHICAL THING TO DO.
ETHICAL THING TO DO RECUSE OURSELVES AND NOT TO RECUSE
OURSELF.
RECUSE OURSELVES IS A GOOD THING NOT A BAD THING.
MY FIRM HAS NOT HAVE A DIRECT CONNECTION WITH 73 AND 74.
WORK WITH A CLIENT WITH A RELATED INTEREST.
IN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, I WOULD LIKE TO RECUSE MYSELF AND
HAVE THE FORM 8 A AND B.
11:34:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
11:34:17AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVED 37 AND 74.
11:34:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WAS GOING TO ASK VIERA WHO IS VICE-CHAIR.
11:34:23AM >>LUIS VIERA:
SO MOVED.
11:34:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIED.
11:34:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE ITEM 80-83.
84 WAS PULLED FOR DISCUSSION.
11:34:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIED.
11:34:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO SET ITEM 85 FOR PUBLIC HEARING
FOR JULY 27, 2023 AT 1:30 P.M. ON CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
11:34:58AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I AM SORRY --
11:35:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION --
11:35:04AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SAYS 1:30 IN THE AFTERNOON.
11:35:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT'S WHAT I SAID.
11:35:09AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I KNOW THAT.
THAT IS THE TIME OF THE RESOLUTION.
CAN WE HOLD THAT ITEM, PLEASE?
11:35:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I RESCIND MY RESOLUTION MOTION.
11:35:17AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WE WILL BRING IT BACK.
I WANT TO HAVE DISCUSSION ON THAT BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE
SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT TIMES AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
11:35:24AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
I'M HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER 85?
11:35:28AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
WHAT TIME -- BECAUSE WE ARE NO LONGER DOING 1:30 HEARINGS
AFTER -- AS WE -- AS WE REORDERED BUSINESS.
11:35:36AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
WHATEVER THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL.
11:35:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I MOVE THIS RESOLUTION.
11:35:54AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
I CAN.
11:35:55AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BRING IT BACK TO DO THAT.
11:35:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SET AT 10:30 PUBLIC HEARING THAN 1:30
11:36:01AM >>CLERK:
THE RESOLUTION STATES 1:30.
11:36:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SUBSTITUTE 10:30.
11:36:08AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
POINT OF ORDER.
11:36:09AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:36:11AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM CONFUSED.
I DON'T SEE A TIME CERTAIN OF BEING HEARD FOR 1:30.
MOVING A RESOLUTION FOR 1:30.
WE ARE MOVING THIS RESOLUTION.
11:36:24AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO, SIR.
A WRITTEN RESOLUTION IN SIRE TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING JULY 27
AT 1:30 IN THE AFTERNOON.
CANNOT BE HEARD EARLIER THAN 1:30.
NOW YOU ARE DOING HEARINGS IN THE MORNING AND STAFF REPORT
IN THE AFTERNOON.
THAT -- THIS ONE 1:30 TODAY WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS SET A
WHILE AGO.
11:36:45AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU CAN'T MOVE IN RIGHT NOW UNTIL 1:30 THIS
AFTERNOON.
11:36:48AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO, SIR.
WE NEED THE RESOLUTION AMENDED TO SAY THE CORRECT TIME OF
10:30 A.M.
SHE COMES BACK WITH A SUBSTITUTE WE CAN MOVE THIS RESOLUTION
TO SET THIS PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 27th AT 10:30.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS CHANGE THE TIME.
11:37:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
BRING THAT BACK US TO LATER ON TODAY WHEN WE
COME BACK FROM RECESS?
11:37:14AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
11:37:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL RIGHT.
11:37:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PULLED IT FOR DISCUSSION
11:37:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL RIGHT, SHALL WE GO TO STAFF REPORTS WITH
THE ANOTHER LAST 20 MEN REMAINING?
OR WANT TO GO TO LUNCH AND COME BACK FOR STAFF REPORTS.
11:37:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LET'S DO 64.
11:37:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 64.
11:37:42AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
IF YOU CAN SKIP TO 79.
I NEED MR. HARVEY FOR ITEM 64.
11:37:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
GO TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 79, FILE NUMBER BZP 23-80843.
11:38:09AM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
REBECCA JOHNS, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I BELIEVE THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAD SOME QUESTIONS?
11:38:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, I READ THROUGH THIS AGAIN.
AND I JUST WANTED THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE AREN'T
CHANGING ANYTHING ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS OF THESE INFILL
HOUSING PHASES.
BECAUSE WE, AS A COUNCIL, WHEN WE APPROVED IT TO THE
140% AMI, AND WE WERE COGNIZANT TO SAY WE WOULDN'T DO THAT AGAIN.
IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN IT SO THE PUBLIC CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT IS
HAPPENING HERE AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH US CHANGING THE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEST OF THIS.
11:38:52AM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
SURE.
THIS PROPERTY IS READY TO BE CONVEYED TO A USER, A QUALIFIED
BUYER FROM THE DEVELOPER.
THE WAY THIS PROGRAM WAS INITIALLY SET UP, SHIP FUNDS WERE
GOING TO BE USED FOR THESE PROPERTIES.
THEREFORE, WHEN THE DECK REGENCY OF AFFORDABLE CONVENANCE
PLACED ON THE PROPERTY IT INCLUDED PROVISIONS REQUIRED UNDER
THE SHIP GUIDELINES.
AND BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY, SHIP FUNDS WERE NEVER ACTUALLY
USED.
THE DEVELOPER USED THEIR OWN MONEY.
FANNIE MAE, WHEN THE BUYER -- THE BUYER IS NOW PURCHASING,
FANNIE MAE IS PROVIDING FINANCING AND THEY WERE REJECTING TO
PROVISIONS IN THE DECLARATION.
SINCE THEY ARE NOT APPLICABLE TO THIS PROPERTY ANYWAY, IN
ORDER TO -- FOR THE BUYER TO GET FINANCING, WE AGREED TO
REMOVE THESE TWO PROVISIONS.
11:39:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
11:39:52AM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
ONLY FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
11:39:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:39:57AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MISS JOHNS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUICK WORK
WITH THIS YESTERDAY WHEN I RECEIVED A CALL FROM THE BANK
PERSONNEL, AND WE WERE ABLE TO CLEAR UP THOSE
MISUNDERSTANDING VERY QUICKLY, AND I AM SURE THE BUYER IS
VERY HAPPY TO GET THIS SO THEY CAN PURCHASE THE HOME.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR DUE DILIGENCE RIGHT AWAY ON THAT.
11:40:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
11:40:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
11:40:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S -- WE ARE GOING TO TAKE UP AGENDA ITEM
NUMBER 64 AND RIGHT AFTER THAT, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 88

11:40:24AM >> DAVID HARVEY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
THIS RESOLUTION IS TO APPROVE THE SETTLEMENT IN THE VAZZO
LITIGATION.
THIS IS THE LAWSUIT THAT AROSE FROM THE 2017 ENACTMENT OF
THE CITY'S BAN ON CONVERSION THERAPY.
AS COUNCIL KNOWS, THIS HAS BEEN LITIGATED, THE DISTRICT
COURT AND THE 11th CIRCUIT APPELLATE COURT HAVE FOUND THE
ORDINANCE WAS IN VIOLATION OF BOTH THE -- PREEMPTED BY STATE
LAW AND ALSO IN VIOLATION OF THE CONSTITUTION.
SO PLAINTIFF AS THE PREVAILING PARTY IS NOW ENTITLED TO
ATTORNEYS' FEES AS WELL AS ANY COMPENSATORY DAMAGES.
WE'RE RECOMMENDING SETTLEMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF 950,000.
11:41:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
11:41:28AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN?
JUST SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS, MR. SHELBY, STOP ME IF I'M GOING
THE WRONG PLACE, THERE WAS A CLOSED SESSION IN REFERENCE TO
THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SETTLEMENT, SO FOR THE PUBLIC'S
KNOWLEDGE, IT SHOULD BE PUBLIC RECORD AFTER THIS SITUATION,
AFTER THIS CASE TO THE PUBLIC AND KNOW WHY COUNCIL IS NOT
DISCUSSING.
BUT WE HAD A PRIVATE SESSION IN REFERENCE TO THE LITIGATION.
11:41:52AM >> ONCE THE LITIGATION IS TERMINATED THEN THE TRANSCRIPT OF
THE CLOSED SESSION WILL BE MADE PUBLIC.
11:41:59AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
11:41:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:42:01AM >>BILL CARLSON:
STOP ME IF YOU NEED TO, BUT I THINK -- I
WASN'T ON COUNCIL YET, BUT THE FACT THAT COUNCIL PASSED THIS
SHOWS IT WAS COUNCIL'S INTENT TO PROHIBIT THIS AND THEN THE
CITY DEFENDED -- THE CITY LEGAL DEPARTMENT DEFENDED THE CITY
IN LITIGATION BY PEOPLE WHO OPPOSED IT AND SO THIS IS THE
SETTLEMENT, BUT SETTLING THIS I THINK, AT LEAST FOR ME, HAS
NO BEARING ON HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE SUBJECT.
IT'S JUST WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LAW AND THE ADVICE OF
ATTORNEYS IN THIS CASE.
11:42:44AM >> TO BE CLEAR, THE CASE ON THE MERITS HAS ALREADY BEEN
DECIDED IN FAVOR OF MR. VAZZO.
THIS IS REALLY A SETTLEMENT OF THE ATTORNEYS' FEES AND ANY
COMPENSATORY DAMAGES THAT COULD BE MADE.
11:42:55AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MY POINT REALLY IS AGREEING TO A SETTLEMENT
IS NOT A REFLECTION OF HOW EACH OF US NECESSARILY FEELS
ABOUT THE ISSUE.
IT'S ONLY APPROVING A SETTLEMENT ON THE ADVICE OF COUNSEL.
11:43:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:43:14AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
I WANT TO BUILD ON THAT.
THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
I WAS ON COUNCIL WHEN WE PASSED THIS.
I THINK IT WAS 2017.
I REMEMBER BEING PERSONALLY VERY TOUCHED BY THE PEOPLE WHO
CAME OUT AND TOLD PERSONAL STORIES FROM THEIR HEART.
IT REALLY TOUCHED ME A LOT.
JUST THOSE PEOPLE CONTINUE TO BE HEARD AND SEEN BY THE CITY
OF TAMPA AND BY CITY COUNCIL.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT IN CASE THERE WAS ANY VAGUENESS IN
THAT REGARD.
THANK YOU.
11:43:52AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SO MOVED.
11:43:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
11:43:58AM >> NAY.
11:43:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LET'S DO A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE.
11:44:02AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:44:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
11:44:06AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:44:07AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
11:44:08AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:44:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
11:44:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
11:44:12AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH MANISCALCO VOTING NO.
11:44:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NOW LET'S GO TO AGENDA ITEM 88.
11:44:25AM >> ERIC WEISS, WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR.
THIS ITEM WAS ON THE MARCH 16th AGENDA.
DID A PRESENTATION AND IT GOT CONTINUED TO THIS ONE BECAUSE
IT'S OVER A $20 MILLION PROJECT TO GIVE THE TWO WEEKS IN
BETWEEN.
THIS IS A PIPES PROJECT.
IT'S ONGOING IMPLEMENTATION OF OUR MASTER PLAN AT THE
WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, AND IT'S REALLY ONE OF THE
CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT DOES A COMPLETE REHABILITATION OF
WHAT WE CALL OUR SECONDARY TREATMENT PROCESS, WHICH IS
REMOVING ORGANICS FROM THE WASTEWATER, ALSO KNOWN AS CARBON.
I'LL JUST CLOSE WITH THIS IS NOT A PURE PROJECT.
THIS IS THE MASTER PLAN AND IT'S REHABILITATING OUR AGING
INFRASTRUCTURE.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
11:45:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:45:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I KNOW WE OFTEN ASK THESE QUESTIONS
REGARDING CONTRACTS, AND THIS IS A $77 MILLION INVESTMENT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY NUMBERS IN REGARDS TO MINORITY
PARTICIPATION, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, SIR?
11:45:29AM >>ERIC WEISS:
YES.
I BELIEVE IT'S 22% OVERALL THAT WAS ACHIEVED.
11% BLACK BUSINESS, AND 10% SBLE.
11:45:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
11:45:44AM >> MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
11:45:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO MOVE AGENDA ITEM 88, PW23-80277 BY
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
11:46:03AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I SAY --
11:46:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:46:05AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I SAY THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS BACK?
THE PURPOSE OF BRINGING THIS BACK AND WE'LL DISCUSS IN STAFF
REPORTS LATER IS TO GIVE THE PUBLIC A SECOND CHANCE TO LOOK
AT IT.
IN THIS CASE, WE DIDN'T GET ANY EXTRA PUBLIC INPUT, SO THANK
YOU FOR DOING THAT.
11:46:19AM >>ERIC WEISS:
THANK YOU.
11:46:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:46:21AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. WEISS, THANK YOU FOR THE NUMBERS.
77 MILLION THAT IS A LOT OF MONEY.
AND I'LL BE FRANK WITH YOU, OVERALL YOU HAVE, 20% WAS IT?
11:46:34AM >>ERIC WEISS:
I DON'T REMEMBER.
THAT SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT.
OVERALL.
11:46:39AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THINK FOR 77 MILLION, WE NEED TO INCREASE
THAT A LITTLE BIT.
77 MILLION, I MEAN, I JUST THINK THAT'S STILL, FOR THAT KIND
OF MONEY, IT'S STILL KIND OF LOW WITH THOSE NUMBERS, AND WE
NEED TO GET THERE, BUT FOR ME, AGAIN, I APPROVE THE PROJECT
WHAT WE'RE DOING, RESPECT WHAT WE'RE DOING, TO ME, WE HAVE
TO DO JUST A LITTLE BIT BETTER WHEN GIVING THAT KIND OF
MONEY AWAY.
THANK YOU, SIR.
11:47:03AM >>ERIC WEISS:
ON MARCH 16, WE ALSO ADDED AN AMENDMENT FOR
SOME DESIGN, AND WE ACHIEVED 40% BLACK BUSINESS ON THAT.
11:47:09AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT'S APPRECIATED, SIR.
THANK YOU.
11:47:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
11:47:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CAN WE MOVE ITEM NUMBER 89 AS WELL?
11:47:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DO WE HAVE STAFF TO REPORT ON THAT?
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 89, FILE PW23-80830.
MR. WEBER.
11:47:36AM >>CHUCK WEBER:
GOOD MORNING, CHAIR AND COUNCIL.
THIS ITEM IS FOR RENEWAL OF AWARD FOR LIQUID FERRIC SULFATE,
ESTIMATED AMOUNT OF $6.5 MILLION.
REPRESENTS A 5% INCREASE IN THE PRICE OF FERRIC SULFATE.
THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'RE SEEING THROUGHOUT THE
INDUSTRY.
ACTUALLY, IT'S A LITTLE ON THE LOW SIDE.
WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
11:47:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. WEBER?
11:48:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
11:48:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO TO
MOVE THE RESOLUTION OF FILE PW23-80830.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:48:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THE
CONSUMER PRICE INDEX.
I ALSO WANTED TO MAKE NOTE THAT IN MY PLANNING, SOME OF THE
OTHER CHANGE ORDERS AND THINGS THAT WE APPROVED EARLIER, THE
PERCENTAGES OF INCREASES HAVE GONE DOWN FROM ABOUT 8.5
PERCENT, THAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR THE INCREASE, DOWN TO
ABOUT 6.5.
SO WE ARE STARTING, AND I ASKED ABOUT THAT, AND I WAS TOLD
THAT WE ARE STARTING TO SEE KIND OF A SETTLING WITH
INFLATION.
HOPEFULLY WE'LL CONTINUE TO SEE THE LOWER INCREASES WHERE WE
HAVE TO HAVE INCREASES.
SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT FOR THE PUBLIC AND SAY
THANK YOU, MR. WEBER, FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
11:49:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
I WOULD LIKE TO GO TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 94, IF WE COULD.
FILE CM23-79315.
11:49:30AM >>RUSSELL HAUPERT:
I DIDN'T HAVE THE NUMBER MEMORIZED.
MY NAME IS RUSSELL HAUPERT.
CTO FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I PASSED A MEMO FOR THE COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION.
WE MET WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE TBBA TO DISCUSS THE ISSUES
WITH ACCELA.
WE WERE ABLE TO COME TO A REASONABLE CONCLUSION THAT THE
SYSTEM DOES WORK AS WE INDICATED.
WE HAVE SOME TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE COMING UP IN
LATE MARCH.
WE'VE ATTACHED THAT TO YOUR ITEM IN RATHER LATE APRIL AND
THROUGHOUT MAY.
FROM A THIRD STANDPOINT, FROM FEEDBACK FROM MULTIPLE MEMBERS
OF THE COUNCIL AND THE FOLKS THAT ASKED US, THEY ASKED US
FOR SOME DIRECT LINKING FROM OUR GIS MAPS THAT COVER
PERMITTING AND ZONING ISSUES AND WHERE THEY ARE ISSUED TO
DEEP LINK INTO THE ACCELA SYSTEM DIRECTLY.
WE HAVE ADDED THAT FUNCTIONALITY AND DEPLOYED IT AS OF ABOUT
TWO WEEKS AGO.
WE DID REACH OUT SOMEWHAT LATE.
MY APOLOGIES TO THE TAMPA AREA BUSINESS -- SORRY, TAMPA
HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
JC HUTCHINSON AND CSD DID REACH OUT.
WE ARE WILLING TO HAVE THE SAME KIND OF MEETING WITH THEM
THAT WE DID HAVE WITH OUR FOLKS FROM TBBA AND MAKE SURE THAT
THEY ARE COMFORTABLE.
AND I THINK A COUPLE OF KEY THINGS CAME OUT OF THIS, FOLKS,
THAT I THINK YOU'LL AGREE.
NEXT TIME WE DO AN UPGRADE, WE ARE GOING TO ENSURE THAT WE
DO THESE EDUCATIONAL AND PROMOTIONAL ACTIVITIES BEFORE THE
ITEM GOES OUT, AND I BELIEVE THAT WILL ADDRESS MUCH OF THE
CONCERNS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE GOTTEN.
I THINK WHEN SOMEONE GETS TO SEE A CHANGE THAT'S COMING,
THEY ARE MUCH MORE ACCEPTING OF IT.
SECONDARILY, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP WORKING WITH THESE GROUPS
AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY LINGERING ISSUES
ARE ADDRESSED.
AND IF YOU CAN PASS THE WORD ON THE TRAINING SESSIONS THAT
WE'RE HAVING, IN THOSE SESSIONS WE ARE ALSO GOING TO HAVE
REPRESENTATIVES OR TECHNICAL GROUPS AND ACCELA, WHERE
POSSIBLE, TO TAKE ANY INPUT THAT COMES OUT AS A BY-PRODUCT
OF THE TRAINING.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT FOR YOU.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, IF I CAN HELP YOU.
11:51:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:51:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING
ABLE TO REACH OUT TO BOTH THE TAMPA BAY BUILDERS ASSOCIATION
AND KIND OF SOLVE THAT AND THEN RIGHT BEFORE THIS KIND OF
HAVE A MEETING WITH T.H.A.N.
I DID SEE THAT YOU HAVE SOME TRAINING SESSIONS COMING UP.
MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT THEY ARE 11:30 IN THE MORNING AND A
LOT OF PEOPLE WHO USE THE SYSTEM ARE VOLUNTEERS THAT WORK
WITH THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND WOULD NEED SOMETHING AFTER WORKING HOURS.
I HOPE THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME OF THESE TRAININGS
IN THE FUTURE IN THE EVENING.
11:52:19AM >>RUSSELL HAUPERT:
WE'RE HOPING TO DO TWO THINGS:
ADDITIONAL SESSIONS, AND WE'LL TALK WITH THE MEMBERS FROM
CSD ABOUT THAT.
SECONDARILY, WE'RE HOPING TO RECORD SOME OF THE SESSIONS AND
MAKE THEM AVAILABLE ONLINE FOR FOLKS WHO CAN'T MAKE THEM,
AND I THINK THAT ALSO WILL HELP A BUNCH OF FOLKS THAT NEED
TO.
I GUESS I WANT TO POINT OUT ANY INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE AN
ISSUE IN MY KNOWLEDGE HAVE NEVER BEEN TURNED AWAY FROM
CONSTRUCTION SERVICES IF THEY CALL UP INDIVIDUALLY AND ASK
FOR SOME HELP NAVIGATING AN ISSUE.
THAT IS ALSO OPEN TO FOLKS, AND WE CAN ALSO TAKE THAT AREA
FOR SUPPORT.
BUT YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE NOTED, AND WE WILL DO THAT.
11:52:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ADDITIONALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION TO HAVE
THIS COME BACK ON MAY 18th TO JUST SORT OF TIE IT WITH A
BOW AND MAKE SURE WE TALKED TO T.H.A.N. AND WHATEVER OTHER
THINGS YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET FROM THEM AND BRING IT BACK
AND KIND OF HAVE A TRUE RESOLUTION.
11:53:14AM >>RUSSELL HAUPERT:
YES, MA'AM, HAPPY TO DO SO.
11:53:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY MOTION IS TO BRING THIS BACK MAY 18 UNDER
STAFF REPORTS.
11:53:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:53:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MY QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR DOING A GREAT JOB.
YOU COVERED ALL THE BASES AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING INTO
CONSIDERATION OTHER COMMENTS SO WE CAN TRY TO ACCOMMODATE
EVERYBODY.
BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS THAT CONTACT US
REGARDING ACCELA AND THE DIFFICULTIES AND THE STRUGGLES AND
NOT UNDERSTANDING, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE UPDATING AND
CHANGING, BUT YOU HAVE IT COVERED AND I APPRECIATE YOU VERY
MUCH.
11:53:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:53:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ITEM NUMBER 90, MS. WYNN IS HERE, AND I
THINK IT WOULD GO FAST IF YOU WANT TO DO IT.
11:54:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHAT DID YOU SAY, COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
11:54:18AM >>BILL CARLSON:
90.
11:54:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LET'S GO TO 84 AND THEN GO TO WHAT YOU
REQUESTED.
THANK YOU.
GO AHEAD.
11:54:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE MS. DUNCAN, BUT REAL QUICK, THE
REASON I PULLED THIS WAS, AND WE'VE ALL HEARD MANY
COMPLAINTS FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC REGARDING THE SEMINOLE
HEIGHTS PROJECT WITH NELSON AND HAVING THIS ITEM COME UP
REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT IS, I KNOW IT'S ONLY $105,000, BUT
REGARDLESS, IN THE LARGER SCOPE NELSON HAS HAD QUITE A FEW
DELAYS AND WE RECEIVED AN UNBELIEVABLE AMOUNT OF COMPLAINTS
FROM INDIVIDUALS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WITH THIS, THEIR
CONCERN IS HOW IS IT THAT WE'RE APPROVING MORE CONTRACTS FOR
THIS CONSTRUCTION COMPANY WHEN THERE ARE SO MANY DELAYS
ALREADY?
FOR EXAMPLE, A STREET, CARACAS, EAST OF THE INTERSTATE, WAS
SUPPOSED TO BE PAVED ALREADY THIS WEEK AND THERE IS A DELAY
THAT IT WILL BE PAVED ON MONDAY.
HOPEFULLY THEY FULFILL THAT PROMISE BECAUSE I'M IN
COMMUNICATION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD DAILY.
THERE'S ALWAYS AT LEAST ONE PERSON, USUALLY MANY PEOPLE WITH
CONCERNS, AND THE CONCERN THIS TIME, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A
SMALLER PROJECT IN THE LARGER SCOPE OF THINGS, WE'RE GIVING
MORE PROJECTS TO A COMPANY THAT HAS BEEN EXPERIENCING SO
MANY DELAYS.
PEOPLE, I THINK, WITH THEIR FRUSTRATIONS, SAY LET THEM
FINISH ONE PROJECT FIRST AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT OTHER
THINGS, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE
COMMUNITY THAT'S REACHED OUT REGARDING THIS AND THAT'S WHY I
PULLED IT FOR DISCUSSION.
11:56:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:56:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY UNDERSTANDING FROM -- AND I DON'T
DISAGREE.
PEOPLE HAVE HAD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS IS THE FINISHING OF A PROJECT
THAT WAS STARTED AGES AGO.
I'M SURE MS. DUNCAN WILL TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT THIS IS NOT TO
CONTINUE A PROJECT BUT TO FINISH IT.
11:56:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MS. DUNCAN.
11:56:31AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
YES.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT
THIS ITEM.
THIS CONTRACT WAS ACTUALLY FOR A SEPARATE PROJECT, A BIKE
LANE AND SIDEWALK PROJECT ON COLUMBUS DRIVE BETWEEN NEBRASKA
AND 14th STREET.
IT WAS ACTUALLY ESSENTIALLY COMPLETED LAST JUNE.
THERE WERE FINAL CHANGE ORDER PUNCH LIST ITEMS THAT WE HAVE
BEEN WORKING WITH THE CONTRACTOR ON.
SOME DELAYS RELATED TO THE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES WITH OUR
SANITARY SEWER MANHOLES.
WE FINALLY COMPLETED THOSE FINISHING TOUCHES ON OUR PUNCH
LIST, AND THIS IS THE CLOSING OUT OF THAT CONTRACT FOR THE
AMOUNT THAT YOU SEE THERE, WHICH, AGAIN, SEPARATE PROJECT
FROM THE SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS PROJECT.
IT'S BASICALLY DONE, AND THIS IS CLOSING OUT THE CONTRACT
COMPLETELY NOW.
11:57:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:57:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO US AND THE PUBLIC WHAT THE
ADDITIONAL MONEY IS FOR?
WHY IS THERE AN EXTENSION NECESSARY?
WHY ARE WE HAVING TO PAY MORE MONEY?
11:57:48AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
THERE WAS NOT REALLY AN EXTENSION.
IT'S JUST A, YOU KNOW, CONTINUATION OF THE CONTRACT TO
COMPLETE THE WORK.
THE ADDITIONAL MONIES ARE FOR PUNCH-LIST ITEMS, FOR
ADDITIONAL ASPHALT PAVING OVERRUNS AND ISSUES THAT CAME UP
WITH THE SANITARY MANHOLE REMEDIATION THAT WERE NOT
ANTICIPATED.
THOSE ARE FIELD OCCURRENCES THAT WERE NOT IN THE ORIGINAL
CONTRACT.
THERE WAS A DELAY WITH THE PROCUREMENT OF THOSE MANHOLES,
LONG TIME.
THOSE COMPONENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED, CONSTRUCTED.
THE CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION HAS SIGNED OFF ON THE COMPLETION
OF THE PROJECT AND THIS IS CLOSING OUT THE FINAL WORK.
11:58:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
11:58:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
11:58:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
COUNCIL, I BELIEVE IT'S 12:00.
11:58:55AM >> CAN WE DO 90 REAL QUICK?
11:58:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OKAY.
LET'S DO 90 REAL QUICK.
11:59:03AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IT DOESN'T MATTER.
THANK YOU.
11:59:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO --
11:59:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ADJOURN TO 1:30.
EXCUSE ME.
RECESS UNTIL 1:30.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
[LUNCH RECESS]

1:33:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LET'S GO AHEAD AND GO FOR ROLL CALL AGAIN
PLEASE.
1:33:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
1:33:14PM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
1:33:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
1:33:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
1:33:17PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
1:33:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
1:33:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE.
1:33:20PM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
1:33:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCIL, WE HAVE A WALK-ON THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FIRST.
1:33:29PM >> JUSTIN VASKE, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
[INAUDIBLE]
-- BOND ISSUER IN THE AMOUNT OF $13 MILLION FOR EDUCATIONAL
FACILITIES AND RENOVATION OF THOSE FACILITIES.
THIS RESOLUTION MERELY SETS A PUBLIC HEARING SO WE CAN
CONSIDER THESE AGREEMENTS ON APRIL 20th, 2023.
THAT IS ALL.
THANK YOU.
1:33:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IT'S JUST TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING, CORRECT?

1:33:57PM >> YES.
1:33:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ANY DISCUSSION, ANY QUESTIONS?
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
1:34:11PM >> THANK YOU.
1:34:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
YOU ALL HAVE THE COPY OF THE NEW RESOLUTION FOR FILE NUMBER
-- EXCUSE ME, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 85, FILE FDN-22-148-C.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO -- JUST IN CASE WE HAVE COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS.
I KNOW YOU EXPLAINED EARLIER AND YOU JUST CHANGED A TIME ON
THAT DATE.
ANYTHING NEW, ANYTHING DIFFERENT ON THE RESOLUTION?
1:34:44PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
NO, SIR.
CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
1:34:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
1:34:49PM >> MOVE THE SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION SETTING THE PUBLIC HEARING
FOR 10:30 INSTEAD OF 1:30.
1:34:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?

IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
ALL RIGHT.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN THE 1:30 PUBLIC HEARING?
1:35:06PM >> SO MOVED.
1:35:07PM >> SECOND.
1:35:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE WILL NOW GO TO AGENDA ITEM 86, FILE
SU1-23-23-C.
I'M SORRY?
ANYONE GIVING ANY TYPE OF TESTIMONY AT THE 1:30 PROCEEDING,
WOULD YOU PLEASE RISE TO BE SWORN IN?
[OATH ADMINISTERED]
1:35:49PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
GOOD AFTERNOON.
CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I'M HERE IN REGARDS TO ITEM 86, FILE SU1-23-23 FOR THE
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3505 NORTH 34th STREET.
THIS IS A PETITION FOR REVIEW THAT WAS FILED ON BEHALF OF
THE PETITIONER, JOSEPH GIBBONS.
HE FILED A REQUEST WITH STAFF TO -- REGARDING A DWELLING,
SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED PROJECT.
STAFF DENIED THE APPLICATION REQUEST ON FEBRUARY 8th OF
2023 ON THE BASIS THAT THE PROJECT DID NOT MEET THE SPECIFIC
CRITERIA IN CODE SECTION 27-132 REGARDING DWELLING
SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED.
THE SITE DOES NOT HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO AN ARTERIAL OR

COLLECTOR STREET AS SHOWN ON THE MAJOR STREET MAP.
I PROVIDED CITY COUNCIL THE FOLLOWING ITEMS, CODE SECTION
27-132, 27-129 WHICH IS THE GENERAL STANDARDS, 27-130, WHICH
ARE THE CONDITIONS AND SAFEGUARDS, AND 27-61 WHICH ARE THE
PROVISIONS REGARDING A REVIEW HEARING.
I'VE ALSO PROVIDED STAFF -- I MEAN, CITY COUNCIL WITH SAMPLE
MOTIONS AND THE RULES OF PROCEDURE IN ORDER TO CONDUCT THIS
HEARING.
THE STANDARD OF REVIEW, ACCORDING TO CODE SECTION 27-61,
SUBSECTION J-3 IS A DE NOVO STANDARD OF REVIEW, WHICH MEANS
THAT THE RECORD SHALL NOT BE LIMITED IN ITS REVIEW TO THE
INFORMATION, DOCUMENTATION, OR EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE
SPECIAL USE PERMIT WAS BASED.
CITY COUNCIL MAY RECEIVE NEW INFORMATION.
STAFF WILL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION AND THE
DECISION.
AFTER CITY COUNCIL HAS RECEIVED AND HEARD ALL THE EVIDENCE
ASSOCIATED WITH THIS MATTER, CITY COUNCIL CAN TAKE THE
FOLLOWING ACTIONS:
CITY COUNCIL CAN AFFIRM THE DECISION OF THE ZONING
ADMINISTRATOR WHO DENIED THE REQUEST TO WAIVE THE
REQUIREMENT FOR ACCESS TO AN ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR STREET OR
CITY COUNCIL CAN OVERTURN THE DECISION OF THE ZONING
ADMINISTRATOR AND THEREFORE WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE
ACCESS TO AN ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR STREET.

WITH THAT, I WILL TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO MR. COTTON,
WHO WILL GIVE YOU THE OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT.
1:38:05PM >>ERIC COTTON:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THE FOLLOW-UP ON WHAT CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE INDICATED, THIS
IS A PETITION FOR REVIEW FOR SU 1-23-23.
THE PETITIONER IS JOSEPH GIBBONS.
PROPERTY OWNER IS 2 W PROPERTIES LLC.
THE PROPERTY IS 3505 NORTH 34th STREET.
ZONING IS CI.
THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION WAS TO ALLOW FOR ATTACHED
SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING UNITS COMMONLY KNOWN AS SIMILAR --
BASICALLY WHAT A TOWNHOME IS.
THIS IS THE ZONING MAP.
YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY IS OUTLINED IN RED.
ZONING IS CI.
THIS IS 34th STREET.
34th STREET IS A NEIGHBORHOOD COLLECTOR.
TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE, ALL ACCESS WOULD HAVE
HAD TO COME OFF OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD COLLECTOR ON 34th
STREET.
THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING ACCESS OFF OF 28th AVENUE.
YOU CAN SEE IN THE SITE PLAN, SORRY FOR THE POOR QUALITY
WHEN IT PRINTED OUT.
BUT YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A ROW OF TOWNHOMES IN THE FRONT.

ALL PEDESTRIAN ACCESS IS ONTO 34th.
THEY ARE UTILIZING WHAT COULD BE, ALMOST IN A SENSE CREATED
AN ALLEYWAY IN THE BACK TO PROVIDE FOR SURFACE PARKING IN
THE REAR.
AGAIN, THE TWO CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CODE, ACCESS ON AN
ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR ROAD.
SORRY ABOUT THAT.
WRONG WAY.
ACCESS ONTO AN ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR ROAD WHICH WOULD BE
34th AND THEY HAVE TO MEET THE RM 24 STANDARDS FOR THE
DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
1:39:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
1:39:45PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT IS A CORNER LOT,
IS IT NOT?
1:39:49PM >>ERIC COTTON:
YES, SIR.
THE CORNER OF -- I'LL GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN.
THIS IS 34th STREET, 20th AVENUE.
1:40:03PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THE STORE IS RIGHT BEHIND THAT PROPERTY IF
I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
THANK YOU, SIR.
1:40:07PM >>ERIC COTTON:
YES, SIR.
1:40:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
1:40:10PM >>ERIC COTTON:
THANK YOU.

1:40:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. COTTON.
1:40:22PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
JOE GIBBONS WITH GULF BAY BUILDERS.
I'M THE APPLICANT AND HOPEFULLY BUILDER OF THE PROJECT.
FEW OLD-SCHOOL AERIALS HERE I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE.
[INAUDIBLE]
PRIOR TO ME PURCHASING THE PROPERTY, APPROXIMATELY 24 INCHES
DEEP OF CONCRETE OVER THE ENTIRE SITE.
[INAUDIBLE]
THIS IS 34th STREET.
THIS IS THE PARCEL HERE AND THIS IS 28th AVENUE.
34th STREET GOING NORTH.
28th AVENUE.
THIS WOULD BE THE PROPOSED ENTRYWAY.
THERE IS A VACATED ALLEY HERE THAT I DIDN'T KNOW WHEN I
PURCHASED THE PROPERTY.
VACATED ALLEY -- [INAUDIBLE] -- FOR MY PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
ANOTHER AERIAL.
28th AVENUE.
34th STREET.
SUBJECT PARCEL --
KIND OF A MOCK-UP.
34th STREET GOING NORTH.
28th AVENUE.
FRONT DOOR ORIENTATION IS TO 34th STREET WITH PEDESTRIAN

WALKWAYS.
CURRENTLY, THERE IS A HART BUS LINE STOP AND THE PROJECT
MOVES FORWARD WE'LL BE CONTACTING THEM TO SEE IF WE CAN HELP
FACILITATE BUILDING ONE OF THE NEW MODERN BUS STOPS LIKE
THEY JUST PUT IN 22nd AVENUE, JUST SOUTH OF MLK.
THIS WOULD BE THE PROPOSED DRIVE.
INDIVIDUAL UNIT PARKING SPACES BEHIND.
SIDEWALKS COMING UP TO THE REAR OF EACH UNIT.
EACH UNIT DOES HAVE REAR ACCESS.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED ELEVATION.
THIS WOULD BE FRONTING ON 34th STREET.
PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS, WE WOULD DO A NEW IMPROVED SIDEWALK ON
34th STREET AS WELL AS 28th AVENUE.
ELEVATION, THIS WOULD BE LOOKING NORTH ON 34th STREET.
THIS IS THE REAR, SHOWS THE REAR ENTRANCE WAYS INTO EACH
UNIT.
SIDEWALKS WITH PARKING IN THE BACK.
ANOTHER REAR ELEVATION.
SO THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL TWO YEARS
AGO, SAME EXACT BUILDING ORIENTATION THAT WE'RE PROPOSING
HERE.
THIS IS NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE, COLUMBUS DRIVE IS JUST TO THE
SOUTH.
THIS IS EAST WARREN AVENUE.
WHEN I CAME BEFORE COUNCIL ON THIS PROJECT, IT WAS FOR THE

SAME TO HAVE ACCESS OFF THE ARTERIAL ROAD HERE WHICH ON THIS
CASE WAS WARREN AVENUE.
THIS SHOWS NORTH FLORIDA.
THIS IS WARREN.
THE DRIVEWAY COMES INTO THE BACK WITH THE PARKING BEHIND THE
BUILDING CONFIGURATION.
THIS IS NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE HEADING SOUTH.
BUILDING ON THE CORNER HERE.
WARREN AVENUE DRIVEWAY CAME IN THE BACK WITH THE PARKING IN
THE BACK, AND IT SHOWS THE INDIVIDUAL ENTRANCE WAYS INTO
EACH UNIT IN THE REAR.
THIS IS ANOTHER DRONE PHOTO.
THIS BUILDING WAS JUST COMPLETED IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR.
I CAME BEFORE COUNCIL I BELIEVE IN 2021.
THIS IS WARREN AVENUE.
THIS KIND OF SHOWS WHAT THE PROPOSED BUILDING WOULD LOOK
LIKE, THIS IS FOR FOUR.
WE'RE PROPOSING SEVEN UNITS.
LARGER LOT.
WARREN AVENUE, OUR APRON.
WE REBUILT ALL OF THE SIDEWALKS ALONG WARREN AVENUE AND
ALONG FLORIDA AVENUE, AND THEN THE PARKING IN THE BACK.
THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS CURRENTLY ZONED CI.
THE FUTURE LAND USE IS CC 35, WHICH WOULD ALLOW UP TO 12
UNITS AND I'M REQUESTING THE SIDE ENTRY DRIVE FOR THE

PROPOSED 7 UNITS.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'M READY FOR QUESTIONS.
1:45:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
ANY QUESTIONS?
SEEING NONE, IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT IS GOING
TO MAKE COMMENTS FOR THIS CASE, THIS HEARING?
1:45:46PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
HOW MANY MINUTES DO I HAVE?
1:45:51PM >> THREE.
1:45:52PM >> THREE MINUTES.
OKAY.
GREAT.
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR RECEIVING ME TODAY.
I AM FRAN TATE, THE PRESIDENT OF THE JACKSON HEIGHTS
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND CRIME WATCH.
I'M HERE TODAY TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEM 86.
THE NEIGHBORS OF JACKSON HEIGHTS ARE IN FULL DISAGREEMENT
WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY SEVEN-UNIT
ATTACHED DWELLING SLATED FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AT THE
LOCATION OF 3505 NORTH 34th STREET, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33605,
IN THE COMMUNITY OF JACKSON HEIGHTS BY THE GULF BAY
BUILDERS, LLC FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS.
NUMBER ONE, NOT ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS WITHIN 250 FEET OF THE
CONSTRUCTION WHO WILL BE GREATLY IMPACTED WERE NOTIFIED.

ONE NEIGHBOR CAME TO ME JUST YESTERDAY WITH A FRIENDLY
NEIGHBOR NOTICE IN HAND.
NO COMMUNITY MEMBERS MEETINGS WERE HELD WITH THE EXISTING
NEIGHBORS ON NORTH 34th STREET NOR THE JACKSON HEIGHTS
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
IN OTHER WORDS, THEY DIDN'T COME TO US, CAN WE HAVE A
MEETING, SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT THIS PROJECT WE'RE
PLANNING.
WE WELCOME AFFORDABLE, AS COUNCILMAN GUDES SAID, ATTAINABLE
HOUSING IN THE EAST TAMPA AREA, BUT WE DIDN'T GET A
CONVERSATION WITH THEM.
WE FEEL THE SEVEN UNITS ATTACHED DWELLING IS NOT SYMPATHETIC
TO THE CHARACTER NOR THE CHARM OF ALL OF THE SURROUNDING
SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES.
MOST HOUSES ON NORTH 34th STREET HAVE FRONT PORCHES,
GARAGES, SIDEWALKS, LAWS AND FENCES.
THREE OF YOU CAME FOR TOURS.
I THINK COUNCILMAN GUDES, COUNCILMAN, I KNOW YOU CAME.
YOU CAME FOR ONE.
AND SO DID COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SO YOU GUYS HAVE A GENERAL IDEA OF THE PROPERTY THAT HE'S
TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S ELEVATED.
THERE IS A TROUBLESOME LIBERTY GAS STATION THAT WE HAVE BEEN
BACK AND FORTH WITH TRYING TO GET THE WATERING DOWN, TRYING

TO GET PREVENT THE SHOOTINGS, THE STABBINGS, AND THE
ROBBERIES UP THERE.
TPD IS VERY GOOD IN HELPING US WITH THAT PROBLEM.
BUT THIS PROPERTY IS ON AN ELEVATION.
HE'S RIGHT.
28th STREET WOULD BE THE MAIN ACCESS.
THE NEIGHBORS ON 28th STREET DON'T WANT THAT.
THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE VISITOR PARKING SPACES.
I'M LOOKING AT WHAT MOBILITY, STORMWATER SAID AND THEY SAID
NO STORMWATER SYSTEM ON THE SITE PLAN.
I'M LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
THEY DEEMED THE PROJECT INCONSISTENT WITH SECTION 28-132.
TRANSPORTATION HAD A LOT TO SAY ABOUT IT, TALKING ABOUT THE
PARKING SPACES.
THERE'S NO ROOM FOR VISITOR PARKING SPACES, WHICH IF THIS
WAS BUILT, THE VISITORS WOULD BE PARKING ON NORTH 28th
STREET, POSSIBLY ON MY STREET, WHICH IS CLAY STREET AND THEN
POSSIBLY ON ANOTHER STREET.
THERE IS NO ROOM FOR THEIR VISITORS.
1:48:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I'LL GIVE YOU 30 SECONDS MORE, MS. TATE.
1:49:03PM >> PLEASE DENY THIS PETITION TODAY.
THEY CAN COME BACK WITH A BETTER PROJECT.
PLEASE, WE WANT THEM TO PLEASE SPEAK TO JACKSON HEIGHTS.
PLEASE SPEAK TO THE COMMUNITY.
PLEASE SPEAK TO THE NEIGHBORS.

PLEASE SPEAK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ABOUT THIS.
THAT IS TOO BIG OF A CONSTRUCTION ON THAT LITTLE LOT.
THANK YOU.
1:49:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
1:49:27PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST WANTED TO SAY FOR THE RECORD MS. TATE
MENTIONED THAT SHE AND HER NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS GAVE ME A
TOUR.
THAT WAS ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO AND IT WAS NOT ABOUT
ANY SPECIFIC PROJECT.
IT WAS A GENERAL TOUR OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT WAS WELL
BEFORE THIS PROJECT CAME UP.
1:49:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WANTING TO SPEAK?
PLEASE FORM A LINE, MY LEFT, YOUR RIGHT.
1:50:01PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
ROBIN LOCKETT.
I THINK, AGAIN, LIFE IS ABOUT OPPORTUNITIES.
SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNCIL TO LISTEN TO THE
PEOPLE, LISTEN TO THEIR CONSTITUENTS AND COME TO AN EQUAL
MEDIUM ON THIS.
THEY WANT COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT SHOULD BE HAD.
THEY HAVE OUTLINED CERTAIN ISSUES WITH THE -- WITH THAT
BUILDING, SO IF THE DEVELOPER HADN'T HAD A CONVERSATION WITH
THE COMMUNITY, THEN I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO
BE DONE.

THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE, THEY ARE
HOMEOWNERS.
THEY ARE NOT RENTERS.
THEY ARE HOMEOWNERS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
1:50:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
1:50:49PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
MY NAME IS EVELYN JOHNSON.
1:50:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MS. JOHNSON, YOU WERE NOT SWORN IN.
CAN I GET YOU SWORN?
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WILL GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT
NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN?
THANK YOU.
[OATH ADMINISTERED]
1:51:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MS. JOHNSON.
1:51:13PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.
MY NAME IS EVELYN JOHNSON.
I AM A RESIDENT OF 3509 34th STREET.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK BRIEFLY ABOUT 3509 34th STREET.
THE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS, THE FOUNDATION THAT WAS ACTUALLY
WHERE IT FINALLY STARTED THERE, THEY STARTED TEARING DOWN
THE WEEDS, THE TREES, THE BUSHES, AND LOOKING AT THE
NEIGHBORS.
THERE WAS NO CONSIDERATION FROM THE BEGINNING BECAUSE
FLORIDA IS REALLY HOT.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF RAIN GOING ON.
IT WAS A LOT OF DIRT, DUST, AND THEY DID NOT HAVE ANY WATER
TRUCKS OUT THERE GRAZING THE GROUND.
PEOPLE HAVE ASTHMA.
THEY HAVE OCD, THEY HAVE ALL KIND OF HEALTH ISSUES.
YOU HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE ON MACHINES, LOW-INCOME PEOPLE
WITH BAD HEALTH.
SO THAT WAS NOT CONSIDERED.
THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
I WENT OUT AND I SPOKE TO THE PERSON THAT WAS IN CHARGE.
HE TOLD ME A BUNCH OF EXCUSES THAT HE WOULD GET WITH THE
WATER DEPARTMENT.
THEY HADN'T GOT THERE YET, BUT HE WOULD BE THERE TO -- HE
WOULD TAKE A COUPLE OF DAYS MORE, JUST TWO DAYS MORE TO
TIGHTEN UP THE AREA, AND THAT NEVER HAPPENED.
MEANTIME, DUST, ALL KIND OF THINGS, PEOPLE WITH
AIR-CONDITIONERS.
THERE'S A LOT OF NEW HOMES COMING UP, AND YOU'VE GOT TO
THINK DUST, ALL THE NEW HOMES AND THE PEOPLE GOING TO SLEEP,
GOING TO WORK, CAN'T BREATHE, THE SINUS, THE POLLEN, NOW
WE'VE GOT DIRT, DUST IN OUR EVENTS AND STUFF.
IF THEY ARE NOT THINKING ABOUT LITTLE SMALL DETAILS LIKE
THAT AND THEY WANT TO PUT THESE BIG 5,000, 3,000 DOLLAR
HOMES THERE, THEY ARE NOT THINKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE.
THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT THE MONEY.

I WENT OUT THERE AGAIN TO SPEAK WITH HIM AND HE SAID, WELL,
YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT I'LL DO, I'LL PAY YOU TO WASH YOUR CARS
FOR EVERYONE -- ALL THE CARS THAT WAS THERE.
THAT NEVER TOOK PLACE.
THIS GUY GOT UP AND JUST LEFT EVERYBODY THAT WAS THERE WITH
DUSTY CARS, PACKED HIS BAG UP AND LEFT.
I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED IN JUST THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY.
JUST THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY.
THEIR PARKING, I JUST FOUND OUT SEVEN HOMES THERE.
SEVEN HOMES AND EACH HOME IS ABOUT -- IT'S NOT TWO PEOPLE
PER HOME.
AROUND ABOUT THREE TO FOUR PEOPLE.
THREE TO FOUR PEOPLE TIMES SEVEN --
1:54:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I'LL GIVE YOU 30 SECONDS MORE.
1:54:26PM >> THREE TO FOUR PEOPLE IN ONE HOME TIMES SEVEN, AND YOU GOT
ALL OF THESE PEOPLE IN ONE HOME AND TWO LOTS NOW.
THIS IS JUST TWO LOTS.
NOT THREE LOTS.
TWO LOTS AND YOU'RE PUTTING ALL THIS UP IN ONE AREA.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ROOM FOR THIS.
IT'S NOT.
IT'S NOT A LOT OF ROOM.
IT TAKES A SCIENTIST OR A BLIND MAN TO SEE.
IT'S NOT.
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.

IF IT WAS TWO -- IF IT WAS THREE, YES, BUT SEVEN, NO, NO.
I DISAGREE.
TOTALLY.
1:55:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
1:55:16PM >> HELLO.
MY NAME IS MARISHA LORLYN.
I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET.
THIS IS REGARDING THE CONSTRUCTION ON 3505 NORTH 34th
STREET.
BECAUSE I MOVED RECENTLY ACROSS THE STREET, I'M THERE 24/7
AND I KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
I WANTED TO SHARE CONCERNS.
I'M VERY EXCITED THAT THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT GOING ON IN OUR
AREA.
MY ONLY CONCERN IS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE
MENTIONED LIKE PARKING.
SO I THINK THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS OVERLY LARGE FOR TWO
SINGLE-FAMILY HOME LOTS.
THEY ARE PLANNING ON SEVEN RESIDENCES.
THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY TIGHT.
AND THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING DOESN'T MATCH THE OTHER
HOUSES ON THE STREET.
THERE'S ACTUALLY A CONTINUITY OF COMMUNITY, AND THE SIGNS
THAT HE SHOWED DID NOT HAVE THE NEW CONSTRUCTION HOMES.
THOSE LOOK LIKE EMPTY LOTS.

THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, THERE'S BRAND-NEW HOMES THAT ARE BUILT
RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
THEY ARE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND ON THE SIDE STREETS OF 28TH
STREET, BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH.
ONE THING I DID NOTICE IS THE STREET TRAFFIC IS ALREADY
HEAVY IN THAT AREA, 34th IS A HEAVY STREET WITH A BUS STOP
AND ADDING POTENTIALLY 14 TO 25 NEW SPACES IS GOING TO
INCREASE THE CONGESTION.
THE BUS STOP, JUST SO YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY IS IT AN ADULT BUS
STOP, THERE IS ALSO A CHILDREN'S BUS STOP ON THE CORNER.
TWICE A DAY, PARENTS DROP OFF THEIR KIDS, ONES THAT DON'T
WANT THEM WALKING IN THE HEAT, SO THERE ARE A LINE OF CARS
ON 28th STREET.
MY ONLY CONCERN IS YOU CAN'T PARK ON 34th STREET SO 28th
STREET BECOMES THE ACCESS LANE.
TWICE A DAY THOSE PARENTS, WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PARK?
THEY LINE UP ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET TO PICK UP THEIR
KIDS AS THEY COME HOME FROM THE BUS.
THE OLDER ONES CAN OBVIOUSLY WALK.
THE OTHER THING IS MATURE TREES, ARE THEY GOING TO STAY OR
EVERYTHING DEMOLISHED?
BECAUSE THE PLANS LOOK LIKE THE BUILDING IS RIGHT UP TO THE
EDGE OF THE BUS STOP.
SOMETHING WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN WITH THE BUS STOP.
I KNOW THAT TAMPA IS A CITY OF VERY GOOD URBAN PLANNING, BUT

HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT AND HIS OTHER CONSTRUCTION --
HAVE BEEN CLOSER TO THE CITY.
THIS PRODUCT IS MORE TO THE BURB AND THERE IS A DIFFERENT
TYPE OF PLAN ON THAT.
THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING FOR IS NOT AS MANY UNITS ON SUCH A
SMALL LOT OF LAND.
THANK YOU.
1:57:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
1:57:48PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
WHEN YOU PUT IN A SPECIAL USE 1, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE
ANY WAIVERS.
I THINK THERE ARE THREE.
THERE WERE THREE ISSUES THAT WERE WRITTEN ON THE SITE PLANS.
FIRST OF ALL, THERE WEREN'T SIDEWALKS DELEGATED.
THE OTHER ONE WAS THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH PARKING.
AND THEN THE THIRD ONE IS IT'S NOT ON AN ARTERIAL.
THIS GENTLEMAN GOT UP HERE AND SHOWED YOU SOMETHING FROM
2021.
GUESS WHAT, IT WAS ON AN ARTERIAL.
I WOULD ASK YOU, AND MS. KATE CALLED ME LAST NIGHT AND ASKED
ME IF I WOULD HELP OUT WITH THIS, I WOULD ASK YOU HOW WIDE
ARE THE TWO STREETS THAT THEY ARE ANTICIPATING PUTTING THE
EXTRA CARS ON.
TALKING ABOUT THREE-BEDROOM UNITS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT AT

LEAST TWO ADDITIONAL CARS.
MOST OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE SEE LIKE THIS HAVE GARAGES.
THIS ONE DOESN'T.
SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT FOUR PARKING SPACES PER UNIT,
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO PARKING SPACES PER UNIT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS GOES BACK TO MY NEW ISSUE.
WE HAVE FUTURE LAND USE.
WE HAVE ZONING FOR A REASON.
EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THE RULES ARE.
IF THEY DON'T, AND I JUST DID AN SU-1 WITH MR. COTTON, YOU
KNOW WHAT'S, EVERYBODY ON STAFF WILL ANSWER QUESTIONS.
WHY DO WE KEEP PUSHING PAST THE NO TO THE PARENTS TO ASK THE
PARENTS TO GIVE THEM AN EXCEPTION?
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT YOU'RE PUTTING SEVEN DWELLING UNITS
ON TWO LOTS.
IT'S JUST RIDICULOUS.
LET'S PARE IT DOWN.
WHY HAVEN'T WE TALKED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD?
I MEAN, SERIOUSLY HERE WE ARE AT THE HEARING AND NOBODY HAS
TALKED TO ANYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S A REAL ISSUE FOR THEM.
WE'RE ALL ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOODS, NO GARAGES, AND IF I'M
WRONG, PLEASE GET UP HERE AND CORRECT ME, BUT THOSE THREE
THINGS WERE ON THE SITE PLANS THAT THOSE WERE ISSUES.
I'M LOOKING AT THIS GIANT PARKING LOT AND THIS BUILDING.

HONESTLY, I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT RECENTLY THE PERMEABLE
SURFACES, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF THE
LOT COVERED WITH A NONPERMEABLE SURFACE.
THIS IS GOING TO CREATE BIGGER FLOODING ISSUES EVENTUALLY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:00:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
2:00:12PM >> HOW'S IT GOING, GUYS?
JUST SO YOU KNOW, I'M WITH CLANDESTINE OPERATIONS.
WE'RE DOING A SWEEP INVESTIGATION OF THE FLOOR.
EVERYTHING SEEMS FINE SO FAR BUT A LADY WHO POTENTIALLY
COULD BE UP TO SOMETHING CLANDESTINE.
WE'LL KEEP INVESTIGATING THE MATTER.
WE'RE IN THE BUILDING, IF YOU NEED ME, WE'RE HERE.
I GREW UP IN TAMPA BAY, GREW UP FISHING HERE.
GOOD AT CATCHING TARPON AND REDFISH.
2:00:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SIR, ARE YOU SPEAKING TO THIS AGENDA ITEM?
2:00:45PM >> JUST IN GENERAL.
2:00:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THIS IS NOT PUBLIC COMMENT.
THIS IS SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY TO THIS AGENDA ITEM.
2:00:53PM >> OH, I THOUGHT IT WAS PUBLIC COMMENT.
2:00:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO, WE ALREADY HAD PUBLIC COMMENT.
2:00:56PM >> YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
2:00:59PM >> I'M WITH CLANDESTINE OPERATIONS.
2:01:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
2:01:05PM >> PAUL.

2:01:08PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PAUL, YES?
2:01:10PM >> PAUL. PAUL PAUL.
2:01:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME?
2:01:15PM >> PAUL.
LAST NAME IS PAUL, TOO.
2:01:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I UNDERSTAND.
YOU HAVE TO SPEAK TO THIS AGENDA ITEM.
2:01:24PM >> I THOUGHT IT WAS PUBLIC COMMENT.
2:01:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO.
WE ALREADY HAD PUBLIC COMMENT.
2:01:31PM >> I HAD SOME ITEMS I WANTED TO SUBMIT.
2:01:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GO AHEAD.
SUBMIT THEM TO MR. SHELBY, PLEASE.
THANK YOU.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTS TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT TO
THIS AGENDA ITEM?
MR. SHELBY.
2:02:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, THANK YOU.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
COUNCIL, A REMINDER THAT THIS IS A REVIEW HEARING.
THIS IS NOT A PD.
THIS IS NOT A REZONING.
MY SUGGESTION IS RATHER THAN MAKE STATEMENTS, IF WHAT WAS
RAISED, RAISE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU HAVE STAFF PRESENT, YOU
HAVE LEGAL PRESENT.

PHRASE IT IN THE FORM OF A QUESTION SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND
THE CONTEXT ABOUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED AND WHY IT IS BEFORE YOU
IN THE FORM THAT IT IS.
2:02:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:02:36PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK THE CITY
REPRESENTATIVE HERE.
THE WORD LOT WAS MENTIONED MANY TIME BUT NO ONE SAID THE
SIZE OF THE LOTS.
ACCURATE DIMENSION OF THE LOTS, WIDTH AND LENGTH.
2:02:53PM >>ERIC COTTON:
IT IS DIFFICULT TO READ.
I APOLOGIZE.
THE APPLICANT IS SAYING 137 ALONG NORTH 34th AND 130 FEET
ALONG 28th AVENUE.
THANK YOU.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED CI.
IT'S NOT ZONED SINGLE-FAMILY.
I THINK SOMEBODY MADE THE COMMENT THAT IT IS ZONED
SINGLE-FAMILY.
IT'S NOT.
IT'S ZONED COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE.
THE USES ALLOWED ON THAT LOT WOULD BE ANY COMMERCIAL
INTENSIVE USES.
THE SPECIAL USE IS TO ESTABLISH A RESIDENTIAL USE ON THE
PROPERTY.
2:03:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:03:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO WHAT TYPES OF USES? CAN YOU EXPAND ON
WHAT TYPES OF THINGS COULD GO ON THAT LOT?
2:03:45PM >>ERIC COTTON:
COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE IS AN INTENSIVE
COMMERCIAL LOT IS A STEP BELOW THE IG.
BETWEEN COMMERCIAL GENERAL AND INDUSTRIAL GENERAL.
USES INCLUDE THE GENERAL USES LIKE YOU NORMALLY SEE, A GAS
STATION, CONVENIENCE STORE, RETAIL, LIKE A PUBLIX, ALDI OR
WHATEVER.
IT ALSO ALLOWS CAR LOTS, HEAVY VEHICLE REPAIR.
SO IT RUNS -- IT'S A PRETTY WIDE GAMUT OF WHAT CAN BE PUT ON
THAT PROPERTY, ASSUMING THEY MEET ALL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS
AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT GOES ALONG WITH DEVELOPMENT.
2:04:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:04:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF I MAY FOLLOW THE SAME THING.
WE HAVE 137 FEET ACROSS ON 34th AVENUE AND THE DEPARTMENT
IS 130, AM I CORRECT?
2:04:34PM >>ERIC COTTON:
YES, SIR.
2:04:35PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF YOU GO BY A STANDING BUILDING LOT, HOW
DOES THAT CORRELATE WITH WHAT WE HAVE THERE NOW LOOKING AT A
SEVEN UNIT APARTMENT OR COMPLEX, RESIDENTIAL.
2:04:45PM >>ERIC COTTON:
IT HAS TO MEET RM 24 STANDARDS, HAS TO MEET
THE 25 IN THE FRONT ALONG 34th, 20 IN THE REAR ADJACENT TO
THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE, 7 OFF OF 28th AND 7 OFF THE

NORTH.
ANYTHING IN THAT FOOTPRINT CAN BE BUILT.
BECAUSE THESE ARE GOING TO BE TOWNHOME LOTS IN A SENSE, THE
MINIMUM LOT SIZE YOU WOULD NORMALLY HAVE FOR A TYPICAL RS
50, 60 LOT, 50 OR 60 FEET WIDE DOESN'T APPLY.
2:05:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHAT WIDTH WOULD IT BE IF YOU HAD FIVE
UNITS?
WHAT WIDTH WITH SIX UNITS?
WHAT WIDTH WITH SEVEN UNITS?
WHAT WIDTH WITH FOUR UNITS?
2:05:27PM >>ERIC COTTON:
THE BUILDING ITSELF?
2:05:29PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
2:05:29PM >>ERIC COTTON:
THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO ANSWER.
I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU ON THAT ONE.
2:05:35PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WITHOUT MEETING THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS
--
2:05:38PM >>ERIC COTTON:
AS LONG AS THE SETBACKS ARE MET, DEPENDING
UPON HOW HE DESIGNS THE STRUCTURES TO MAKE EVERYTHING FIT
INSIDE, HE COULD HAVE ONE STRUCTURE OR ONE UNIT.
HE COULD HAVE UP TO 12 UNITS IF FUNCTIONALLY THAT WOULD BE
ABLE TO BE DESIGNED.
I WANT TO REITERATE, THE ONLY WAIVER THEY ARE HERE BEFORE
CITY COUNCIL IS FOR IS ACCESS ON TO THE ARTERIAL COLLECTOR
ROAD.
2:06:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING.

MAYBE I'M ASKING THE WRONG PERSON BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT MAKING
THE PROJECT.
SOMEONE ELSE'S PROJECT.
ASK A BLANK QUESTION.
IF YOU HAVE SIX UNITS, YOUR AVERAGE WIDTH WOULD BE ABOUT 23
FEET.
THAT EQUALS 178 FEET.
I DON'T GET THE AMOUNT OF UNITS AND THE SPACE THAT YOU HAVE
FOR THE CORRECTION OF 137-FOOT FRONTAGE.
2:06:36PM >>ERIC COTTON:
ASK THE APPLICANT TO RESPOND TO THAT.
A TYPICAL TOWNHOME WITH A TWO CAR GARAGE IS ONLY ABOUT 25
FEET WIDE.
IT IS A NARROW -- TOWNHOMES CAN BE VERY NARROW IN
DEVELOPMENT STYLE.
AGAIN, I'LL LET THE APPLICANT ANSWER THE QUESTIONS FOR
SPECIFICITY.
2:06:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
THANK YOU, MR. COTTON.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DID YOU WANT TO ASK THE SAME QUESTIONS
OF THE APPLICANT?
2:07:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M SURE THE GENTLEMAN ASKING FOR THIS
HEARD THE CONVERSATION.
2:07:18PM >> WE'VE BUILT TOWNHOMES.
WE JUST FINISHED A PROJECT ON THE CORNER OF 24th STREET
AND COLUMBUS DRIVE ON A VERY -- I WON'T EVEN GO INTO THE

DETAILS.
I THINK I REACHED OUT TO YOUR OFFICE FOR HELP WITH THE LOT.
THAT PARTICULAR TOWNHOME WAS 16 FEET WIDE.
THESE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY ARE 18 FEET.
MOST TOWNHOMES WE BUILD ARE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 18 AND 20 FEET.
THE PROJECT WE JUST FINISHED AT NORTH MORGAN STREET AND
ESTELLE, A 24-UNIT PROJECT, THOSE WERE 20 FEET WIDE.
2:07:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANTED TO GET AN IDEA.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:07:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:07:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AFTER HEARING WHAT YOU HEARD TODAY, DO YOU
HAVE ANY INTEREST IN MEETING WITH THE COMMUNITY?
2:08:06PM >> SURE, BY ALL MEANS.
I'M DOING MY PART ON THE MAYOR'S REQUEST OF BUILDING
ATTAINABLE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
YOU'VE HEARD SHE WANTS DOORS.
THIS IS A PROJECT WE'VE DONE SEVERAL TIMES IN THE CITY.
WE HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW JUST AT THE
ROUNDABOUT JUST SOUTH OF BELMONT HEIGHTS.
SAME EXACT.
VERY SUCCESSFUL.
2010 NORTH FLORIDA, MOST OF THE PEOPLE BUYING THESE ARE
SINGLE PEOPLE.
THEY HAVE ONE CAR.
SOME OF THEM HAVE SCOOTERS.

WE'RE TRYING TO DO OUR PART.
THEY DON'T HAVE GARAGES BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE
COST DOWN AND MAKE THEM ATTAINABLE.
CONSTRUCTION COSTS RIGHT NOW ARE ASTRONOMICAL, AND WE'RE
TRYING TO DO OUR PART PER THE MAYOR'S REQUEST OF PROVIDING
DOORS, ATTAINABLE DOORS.
WE THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT.
WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE, I MEAN, I'M PRETTY PROUD OF MYSELF OF
CLEANING UP WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE.
I WASN'T THERE, UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN MY EXCAVATORS WERE
THERE.
TWO-DAY PERIOD OF TAKING OUT ALL OF THE CONCRETE.
WE REQUESTED TO HAVE A WATER METER, BUT THE WATER DEPARTMENT
IS BACKED UP AND DIDN'T GET IT THERE IN TIME AND TOOK TWO
DAYS TO CLEAR UP THE SITE.
2:09:24PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST THE MAYOR'S VISION
OF ATTAINABLE.
I THINK THIS COUNCIL'S VISION OF MAKING SURE WE HAVE
ATTAINABLE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE CITY.
IT'S NOT JUST THE MAYOR ADVOCATING.
NOT JUST THE MAYOR WHO IS ADVOCATING AFFORDABLE OR
ATTAINABLE HOUSING.
COUNCIL HAS BEEN ADVOCATING THAT FROM DAY ONE.
I GUESS THE PROBLEM I'M LOOKING AT, I KNOW THE AREA LIKE THE
BACK OF MY HAND.

IN THE CONCENTRATION OF TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA BOTHERS ME.
AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THIS BUILDING, IT LOOKS VERY
BEAUTIFUL.
I CAN'T DENY THAT.
BUT FOR ME LOOKING AT THE STREETS OF 28th AVENUE AND
34th STREET, AND THAT SIZE BUILDING, THAT'S CONCERNING TO
ME WITH THE TRAFFIC.
WE HAVE A SCHOOL THAT'S RIGHT THERE, RECREATIONAL CENTER ON
THE NORTH -- NORTHWEST CORNER I BELIEVE.
HEAVY TRAFFIC DURING CERTAIN PERIODS.
I'M GOING TO LISTEN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BUT I'VE GOT A FEW
CONCERNS.
2:10:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
REBUTTAL.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE ANY TIME FOR REBUTTAL?
2:11:06PM >> CERTAINLY.
THE REQUEST IS HERE TO HAVE THE ACCESS DRIVE COMING IN OFF
OF 28th AVENUE.
34th STREET IS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE A
PART OF THAT BY PROVIDING DECENT ATTAINABLE HOUSING IN THE
AREA.
I'VE PROVEN OTHER PROJECTS THAT I'VE COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL
TO REQUEST WAIVERS SUCH AS THIS FOR THE DRIVE TO COME IN OFF
THE SIDE ROAD.

THAT DIMENSION, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, OF THE 130 FEET DEEP
DOES NOT INCLUDE THE VACATED ALLEYWAY THAT CITY STAFF SAID
THAT I CAN INCORPORATE INTO THE PROJECT.
TECHNICALLY THE SITE IS 137.5 FEET DEEP.
THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING FITS WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE
RM 24 THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED.
THE WAIVER THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS FOR THE ENTRANCE TO COME
OFF OF 28th AVENUE.
2:12:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:12:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I REALLY WISH THAT MORE COMMUNITY
CONVERSATION WAS HAD ABOUT THIS BEFOREHAND.
THAT'S WHERE I'M STUCK RIGHT NOW.
I THINK IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF YOU COULD HAVE THAT
COMMUNITY CONVERSATION.
POSSIBLY PRIOR TO US MAKING THIS VOTE.
2:12:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE A DECISION.
2:12:48PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, THE CASE BEFORE YOU IS WHAT
YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.
THIS IS A REVIEW HEARING OF A ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S
DECISION BASED ON A EUCLIDEAN REZONING.
AND WHAT YOU HAVE, AGAIN, IS THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE CODE,
FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM MS. PETTIS-MACKLE, HAVE BEEN MET
TO BE ABLE TO BRING IT BEFORE COUNCIL.
WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE ISSUE OF NOTICE AND THE LIKE
BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE SAME KIND OF NOTICE THAT YOU WOULD

NECESSARILY HAVE IN A REZONING.
AND THERE'S ALSO -- DID YOU WANT TO CHIME IN AND ADD
ANYTHING ELSE?
WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, COUNCIL, IS THAT, AGAIN, IF
THERE'S ANYTHING TO BE SPECIFICALLY ACCOMPLISHED RELATING TO
THE DECISION THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU THAT HAS TO BE
MADE, THAT MIGHT BE ACCOMPLISHED BY A MEETING WITH REGARD TO
THE ACCESS, THEN THAT'S THE PETITIONER'S -- EXCUSE ME, YEAH,
THE PETITIONER'S REQUEST IF HE WISHES TO DO SO.
AGAIN, NO OBLIGATION IN THE CODE IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE THAT
HE IS REQUIRED TO DO SO.
AGAIN, ALSO, A REMINDER THAT WHATEVER DECISION YOU DO BASE
HAS TO BE BASED ON EVIDENCE, NOT ON YOUR PERSONAL
EXPERIENCE.
IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO CITE TO, YOU HAVE STAFF,
YOU HAVE THE APPLICANT AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPOKEN
WHO MAY BE ABLE TO PROVIDE YOU THE INFORMATION THAT YOU MAY
NEED IN ORDER TO BASE THAT DECISION.
2:14:20PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE CITY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
I WANT TO REMIND CITY COUNCIL THIS IS A REVIEW HEARING OF A
DECISION THAT WAS MADE BY STAFF.
THIS IS NOT A REZONING.
THIS IS NOT THAT TYPE OF APPLICATION.
THE PETITIONER IS BEFORE YOU ASKING CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER

WAIVING THE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE PROJECT FROM
AN ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR STREET.
IF THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED
NOTICE OF THE SPECIAL USE APPLICATION, IF THAT IS THE
QUESTION THAT CITY COUNCIL IS ASKING, STAFF CAN PROVIDE THAT
INFORMATION.
BUT THERE ARE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SPECIAL --
UNDERLYING SPECIAL USE APPLICATION.
2:15:06PM >>ERIC COTTON:
ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
NOTICE WAS REQUIRED TWICE.
EVERYBODY WITHIN THE 250 FEET, PARTICIPATING ORGANIZATIONS,
AND IT WAS NOTICED AGAIN FOR THE PETITION TO REVIEW, MOST
LIKELY, UNLESS THERE WAS PROPERTY SOLD TO THE SAME
INDIVIDUALS AND THE PARTICIPATING ORGANIZATION.
2:15:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:15:26PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AGAIN, MR. COTTON, THE DENIAL FROM THE
ZONING ADMINISTRATOR WAS BECAUSE THE SITE SHALL HAVE A
DIRECT ACCESS TO AN ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR STREET AS SHOWN ON
A MAJOR MAP, CORRECT?
2:15:37PM >>ERIC COTTON:
CORRECT.
IF HE WAS ABLE TO DESIGN IT WITH ACCESS DIRECTLY OFF OF
34th, WE WOULD NOT BE HERE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION RIGHT
NOW.
2:15:44PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, SIR.
2:15:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PETITIONER, ANY LAST REBUTTAL STATEMENTS?

2:15:53PM >> NO, AS MR. COTTON MENTIONED, I WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO
HAVE THE DRIVE COME IN OFF 34th STREET.
BUT FOR SAFETY REASONS, I'M REQUESTING, AS I DID ON THE ONE
AT 2801 NORTH FLORIDA, FOR THE FOLKS HERE IN FRONT OF ME WAS
FOR THAT REASON, WAS FOR THE SAFETY AND WELL-BEING OF MORE
OF A RESIDENTIAL DRIVE.
I GUESS AT ONE TIME THERE WAS PROBABLY AN ALLEY THERE.
THAT'S WHY OWN HALF OF A VACANT ALLEY.
2:16:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:16:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I MOVE TO UPHOLD THE ZONING
ADMINISTRATOR'S DENIAL OF THE SPECIAL USE 1 APPLICATION
SU-1-23-23 FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3505 NORTH 34th STREET
BECAUSE THE PETITIONER DID NOT PROVIDE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL
EVIDENCE TO DEMONSTRATE THE SPECIFIC CRITERIA IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA CODE, SECTION 27-132 REGARDING ACCESS TO ARTERIAL OR
COLLECTOR STREET SHOULD BE WAIVED.
WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC.
WE'VE HEARD CONCERNS.

WE'VE HEARD ABOUT TRAFFIC.
WE'VE HEARD ABOUT WHERE AUTOMOBILES WILL BE PARKING, WIDTH
OF THE STREET, ACCESS, JUST THROUGH THOSE STREETS AND I
DON'T FIND THIS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE TAMPA
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OVERALL.
2:17:23PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND.
2:17:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION THAT HAS BEEN MADE BY
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE.
2:17:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
2:17:42PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
2:17:45PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
2:17:46PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
2:17:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
2:17:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
2:17:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
2:17:54PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
2:18:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MS. PETTIS-MACKLE, BEFORE YOU LEAVE, I DON'T
KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE OR NOT, SUPPOSED TO BE A REPORT ABOUT
-- AH, I DIDN'T SEE YOU.
NEVER MIND, THANK YOU MS. PETTIS-MACKLE.
MS. WYNN.
I BELIEVE CHIEF OF STAFF WANTED TO GIVE US A BRIEF UPDATE ON
VILA BROTHERS PARK.

2:18:44PM >>OCEA WYNN:
ADMINISTRATOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY
AFFAIRS.
I'LL HAVE STAFF MEMBERS, SHERISHA HILLS AND CHRIS THOMPSON
COME AND GIVE A REPORT.
I WILL BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, FURTHER
QUESTIONS, IF NEEDED.
VILA BROTHERS.
2:19:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:19:05PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THINK THE FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE ARE
CONFUSED.
YOU WANT TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT JUST HAPPENED.
2:19:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, IT WAS REJECTED.
WE UPHELD THE MAGISTRATE'S DECISION.
2:19:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
2:19:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE DENIED THE APPLICATION.
2:19:25PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE PETITION FOR REVIEW WAS DENIED AND THE
DECISION OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR WAS UPHELD.
2:19:34PM >> YOU WON.
2:19:40PM >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
2:20:00PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU ALL ARE DONE.
2:20:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST A REMINDER COUNCIL THAT THERE IS AN
APPEAL PERIOD WITH THIS.
WITH REGARD TO TALKING WITH THE PUBLIC OR TALKING ABOUT IT,
JUST PLEASE BE REMINDED THAT THE DECISION IS SUBJECT TO
APPEAL.

2:20:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE ARE GOING TO GET A BRIEF UPDATE ON VILA
BROTHERS PARK.
I'M READY.
2:20:34PM >>SHERISHA HILLS:
GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCIL, SHERISHA HILLS,
DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND REC.
ABLE TO SEE THAT?
JUST HERE TO GIVE A QUICK UPDATE ON VILA BROTHERS PARK AND
WHERE WE'RE AT.
I THINK EVERYONE RECEIVED AN E-MAIL REGARDING IT, SO I JUST
WANTED TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE'RE AT WITH IT.
I'LL GIVE YOU WHERE WE ARE ON TRACK WITH.
WE'RE STILL ON TRACK HAVING MAY 2023 RIBBON CUTTING.
SOME OF THE AREAS THERE THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED, PICKLEBALL
COURTS, INSTALLATION OF FITNESS EQUIPMENT, SURFACING,
INSTALLATION OF PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.
SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WE'VE HAD, BUT STILL KEEPING US WHERE
WE ARE FOR MAY.
YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES, INITIALLY, OUR ORIGINAL
CONTRACTOR HAD DEFAULTED, SO WE HAD TO HIRE A NEW CONTRACTOR
WITH THAT.
WE HAD SOME SUPPLY CHAIN CONSTRAINTS, BUT THEN YOU CAN SEE
THE OTHER CHALLENGES, PICNIC SHELTERS THAT WERE ORDERED LAST
YEAR, BUT HAD STILL NOT BEEN DELIVERED.
AND JUST SOME OF THOSE ORDERS BEING DELAYED THERE.
NOW, WHERE WE ARE AT, TO BE COMPLETED, SITE GRADING AFTER

THE PICNIC SHELTERS.
ADA INSTALLATIONS, IRRIGATION, DRAINAGE, LIGHTS, TURF, AND
SIGNAGE.
WITH ALL OF THAT STILL ON TRACK, WE HAVE A DETAILED SCHEDULE
FROM THE CONTRACTOR WEEK BY WEEK WHAT IS GOING ON OUT THERE.
EVEN OUR PROJECT MANAGER SPENDS PROBABLY EVERY DAY OUT THERE
GOING THROUGH, BUT WITH THAT, WE'RE STILL ON TRACK FOR MAY
RIBBON CUTTING.
2:22:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. HILL?
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:22:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT UPDATE.
OF COURSE, VILA BROTHERS AND I'M IN CONSTANT CONTACT WITH
THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
MY QUESTION IS ON THE PICNIC SHELTERS THAT WERE ORDERED,
TABLES, BENCHES, TRASH CANS THAT WERE NOT DELIVERED, HAVE WE
PAID FOR THOSE OR DO WE PAY FOR THOSE UPON DELIVERY?
2:22:34PM >>SHERISHA HILLS:
DELIVERY.
2:22:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I UNDERSTAND THE SUPPLY CHAIN SITUATION
THROUGH COVID, THROUGH ALL THE DELAYS WE HAD YEARS AGO, BUT
I'M ASSUMING THESE ARE ALL MADE IN THE UNITED STATES.
I'M NOT BLAMING YOU.
I'M SAYING, WHAT IS THE HOLDUP FOR A VERY SIMPLE THING LIKE
A TRASH CAN OR PICNIC TABLE?
EASY TO ASSEMBLE.
I KNOW THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN DELAYED AND YOU'VE EXPLAINED

IT, BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS WAITING FOR THIS.
AGAIN, I SPEAK WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD MULTIPLE TIMES A WEEK,
AND THEY ARE WAITING PATIENTLY.
THANK YOU FOR BEING ON TOP OF THIS.
I'LL CONTINUE TO BE ON TOP OF THIS AND I'LL RELAY THE
INFORMATION BACK TO THE FOLKS.
2:23:15PM >>SHERISHA HILLS:
I WILL MAKE A STATEMENT THAT THE PARK,
WE'VE TRIED TO KEEP IT OPEN AS LONG AS WE CAN.
WE PUT TEMPORARY FENCING UP THAT HAS BEEN RIPPED DOWN.
THERE IS A POINT WHERE IT IS COMING NEXT WEEK WHERE A
PORTION OF THE PARK WILL BE CLOSED SO WE CAN SAFELY COMPLETE
THE PROJECT.
PORTION OF THE PARK WILL CONTINUE TO BE OPEN, PICKLEBALL
COURTS AND RESTROOMS, BUT THERE IS A PORTION THAT NEEDS TO
BE CLOSED IN ORDER TO SAFELY FINISH.
2:23:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NOT A FULL PARK CLOSURE.
2:23:39PM >>SHERISHA HILLS:
NO, SIR.
2:23:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING WE HAD WHEN
WE SAW THE NOTICES, FOLKS THOUGHT THAT WE WERE SHUTTING DOWN
THE PARK.
SUMMER IS COMING AND THE KIDS ARE GOING TO BE OUT OF SCHOOL
AND NO PLACE TO GO.
WE WANT TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE AND WE DON'T WANT KIDS GOING
INTO ACTIVE CONSTRUCTION ZONES, SO I GET IT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

2:23:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:24:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, I THINK -- I KNOW YOU'RE COMING BACK
WITH A MASTER PLAN IN MAY, BUT I THINK SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO
MAKE SURE WE GET FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE
CHANGES AND PRIORITIES THAT ARE GOING ON IN PARKS.
LIKE THE COMMUNITY, COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO SAID THE COMMUNITY
HAS BEEN WAITING ON THIS.
THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN WAITING, I THINK THE RIBBON CUTTING
ON THIS WAS LIKE SIX OR EIGHT YEARS AGO, PRECEDED YOUR
DIRECTORSHIP.
IT WAS UNDER THE LAST MAYOR HAD A PRESS CONFERENCE TO SAY
THAT THEY WERE STARTING ON THIS.
SO THE COMMUNITY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE DONE BACK THEN WITHIN A
YEAR OR SO AND NOW WE'RE LIKE SIX, EIGHT YEARS LATER, SO
THEY ARE WAITING.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THEY SAID IS, IN THE MEMO TO US WAS
THAT SUDDENLY PICKLEBALL COURTS POPPED UP AND NONE OF THE
THINGS THAT THEY HAD REQUESTED ARE BEING FAST TRACKED BUT
SOMEHOW PICKLEBALL COURTS WERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHO FAST TRACKED PICKLEBALL COURTS.
MAYBE WE GOT A GRANT FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OR
SOMETHING, BUT IF THERE IS LIMITED MONEY, I THINK WE OUGHT
TO TALK TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS ABOUT THEIR PARK BEFORE WE
PRIORITIZE SOMETHING BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THEY

WOULD HAVE RATHER HAD BEFORE PICKLEBALL, EVEN THOUGH THAT
MIGHT BE A CITYWIDE THING.
FEW YEARS AGO, POKEMON WAS A POPULAR THING AND GO FORWARD
AND PUT POKEMON STUFF IN EVERY PARK.
IF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE BENCHES AND SHADE, THEN THEY WOULD
RATHER HAVE THAT OR BATHROOM FIRST.
IN HYDE PARK, THERE IS A PARK THAT THE COMMUNITY IS VERY
INTERESTED.
I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT OFF-LINE, BUT I'M CONCERNED
BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE COMMUNITY IS VERY INVOLVED
IN THE PRIORITY SETTING.
HOPEFULLY SOME OF THE PRIORITY SETTING WILL BE IN YOUR PLAN,
BUT IF SOMETHING IS IN A PLAN AND THE COMMUNITY HAS AGREED
TO A PLAN, IT SHOULDN'T BE THAT SOMEBODY COULD COME IN AND
CHANGE THAT AND SAY, OKAY SPEND HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OR
WHATEVER ON PICKLEBALL AND NOT DOING THE THINGS THE
COMMUNITY -- DO THE THINGS THE COMMUNITY WANTED FIRST.
IT IS A REQUEST.
COULD YOU PLEASE HELP US STAY IN TOUCH WITH THE
NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND THESE PARKS IF SOMETHING CHANGES FROM
THE BUDGET AND PLAN.
2:26:09PM >>SHERISHA HILLS:
YES, SIR.
TWOFOLD ON THAT ONE, YEAH, WE DID HAVE A CONVERSATION
BECAUSE I REMEMBER BEING IN BARKSDALE TO TALK ABOUT THE
CONVERSION OF TWO BASKETBALL COURTS BUT CHANGING ONE OF THE

BASKETBALL COURTS TO PICKLEBALL.
WE DID HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT IN PARTICULAR AT VILA
BROTHERS.
AS FAR AS THE MASTER PLAN, THE PLAN WHEN IT DOES COME OUT
BASICALLY TELLS YOU THE IMPROVEMENTS YOU NEED, INVEST AT
THAT PARK.
EVERY SINGLE TIME WE DO ANY SORT OF PARK IMPROVEMENT, THERE
WILL BE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.
IT DOESN'T GET DOWN TO THE DETAILS OF, HEY, YOU NEED A TRASH
CAN AT THIS CORNER OR PICNIC TABLE HERE.
WE'LL GET COMMUNITY INPUT EVERY TIME WE DO COMPLETE PROJECTS
BASED ON THE MASTER PLAN LIKE ANYTHING.
2:26:45PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ON THE CHOICE OF GETTING RID OF TWO
BASKETBALL COURTS TO PUT PICKLEBALL IN, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE
HAVE ADVISORY PANELS FOR EVERY PARK, BUT WHO DID YOU ALL
MEET WITH THEN TO GET CONSENSUS ON THAT?
2:26:59PM >>SHERISHA HILLS:
WE MET WITH THE COMMUNITY.
SHE'S NOT HERE, CARLA PRICE, WHO IS IN CHARGE OF THE
PROJECT.
I CAN GET THE FEEDBACK FROM THAT.
2:27:08PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THERE ARE NATURAL LEADERS ON EVERY ONE OF
THESE, THIS ONE, IF SANDY SANCHEZ AND MARTHA VILA SAY THIS
IS WHAT WE WANT, THERE ARE STILL OTHER CONSTITUENTS AROUND
THAT WE NEED TO CONSULTANT, JUST LIKE ON SOME OF THESE OTHER
PARKS, BUT NO ONE CONSTITUENT SHOULD BE ABLE TO COME AND

JUST CHANGE SOMETHING, LIKE IN THE HYDE PARK, ONE OF THE
NEIGHBORING CONSTITUENTS WANTS TO SUDDENLY CHANGE SOMETHING
THAT THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE BUILD CONSENSUS SOMEHOW.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT PROCESS THAT IS, BUT I WISH THERE WAS SOME
AT LEAST AD HOC PROCESS WHERE WE COULD MAKE SURE THAT THE
NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS AT THE VERY LEAST AND OTHERS ARE
INVITED TO HEAR ABOUT THE CHANGES AND ADAPTATIONS OF WHAT'S
HAPPENING IN THOSE PARKS.
AS YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF COVID, PARKS ARE MORE
IMPORTANT THAN EVER TO PEOPLE.
YOU HAVE ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT JOBS OF THE CITY NOW.
THANK YOU.
2:27:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MS. HILLS, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUICK
QUESTIONS.
ON YOUR PRIORITY LIST IN DIFFERENT PARKS, MUCH LIKE IN
MOBILITY, DO YOU HAVE QUICK BUILD PROJECTS?
2:28:05PM >>SHERISHA HILLS:
YEAH, THEY PRIORITIZE THEM, BUT YOU HAVE
TO DO SOME THAT ARE QUICKER BUILDING DEPENDING ON WHAT THE
DESIGN AND IMPROVEMENTS ARE.
2:28:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IF THERE IS A QUICK BUILD PROJECT NOT VERY
HIGH UP ON THE PRIORITY LIST IT COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED
BEFORE, SAY, A BRICK AND MORTAR BUILDING.
2:28:19PM >>SHERISHA HILLS:
COULD BE, DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS.
2:28:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ESPECIALLY WITH THE LIMITED FUNDING WE HAVE.

IF WE GET MORE PEOPLE TO THE PARK, QUICK BUILDS WILL ATTRACT
MORE PEOPLE TO THE PARK.
THE COMPANY THAT DEFAULTED, DO YOU KNOW -- I DON'T NEED
NAMES -- HAVE THEY BEEN WORKING WITH TAMPA, THE CITY OF
TAMPA FOR A WHILE OR WAS THIS A ONE-TIME PROJECT FOR THEM?
2:28:38PM >>SHERISHA HILLS:
NOT SURE.
2:28:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CAN YOU GET US INFORMATION ON THAT?
AND CAN YOU ALSO GET US THE SPECIAL REASON WHY THEY WERE
HIRED TO DO THIS?
2:28:48PM >>SHERISHA HILLS:
GOTCHA.
2:28:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IF THIS WAS A ONE AND DONE, AND THEY
DEFAULTED ON US, MAYBE IT WOULD BE MORE ADVISABLE FOR THE
CITY TO STICK WITH COMPANIES THAT ARE RELIABLE INSTEAD OF A
SPECIAL REASON WHY WE HIRED.
2:29:02PM >>SHERISHA HILLS:
OKAY.
I CAN FIND OUT.
2:29:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. HILLS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
2:29:10PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
2:29:14PM >>SHERISHA HILLS:
THIS ONE SLIDE?
2:29:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
2:29:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I'M GOOD.
EVERYBODY ELSE GOOD?
THANK YOU.
2:29:27PM >>SHERISHA HILLS:
ABSOLUTELY.

2:29:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHERE ARE WE GOING TO NOW?
I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE ADDED.
LET'S GO TO 90.
WE'LL START BACK LINEAR NOW.
90, CM 22-73043.
2:29:50PM >>OCEA WYNN:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
OCEA WYNN, ADMINISTRATOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY
AFFAIRS.
ITEM NUMBER 90 ASKS FOR AN UPDATE ON THE AD HOC COMMITTEE OF
WORLD WAR II VETERANS.
I JUST WANT TO BRING TO YOUR REMEMBRANCE OF HOW WE GOT HERE.
SEVERAL YEARS BACK, COUNCILMAN VIERA ASKED FOR A VETERANS
ADVISORY COUNCIL.
SINCE THEN, OR AFTER THAT POINT IN TIME, COUNCILMAN CARLSON
ASKED FOR A VETERANS AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT CAN REALLY
ENTERTAIN THE INTERESTS OF THE TAMPA UNION STATION WITH THE
SOLDIERS AND WORLD WAR II COMING IN, CAPTURING STORIES,
PUTTING UP A MONUMENT OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT.
SINCE WE HAD TWO VETERAN RELATED TYPE AGENDA ITEMS, I ASKED
COUNCIL IF IT WAS OKAY TO COMBINE THE TWO.
WHEN I CAME BACK BEFORE YOU, I ASKED FOR MEMBERS WHO YOU
WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND ON THE ADVISORY COUNCIL.
THANK YOU FOR THOSE WHO PROVIDED NAMES, BUT WE'RE TO THE
POINT NOW OF MOVING FORWARD FOR THE NAMES THAT WE HAVE -- WE
HAVE NOT GOTTEN ADDITIONAL NAMES.

IT'S NOT TOO LATE.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE AN INCLUSIVE PROCESS FROM ALL
CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
SO THAT DETAILED THE MEMO.
I WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU HAD ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS BEFORE
WE MOVE FORWARD.
2:31:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, THIS WAS YOURS.
2:31:24PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU ALL AND THANK YOU FOR STAYING TO
TALK ABOUT THIS.
COULD YOU TELL ME WHEN A GOOD TIME MIGHT BE TO HAVE YOU ALL
COME BACK AND DO AN UPDATE?
IS OCTOBER FAR ENOUGH OUT?
2:31:35PM >>OCEA WYNN:
OCTOBER WOULD BE A PERFECT TIME TO COME --
2:31:38PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD MOVE TO HAVE THIS ITEM COME BACK ON
OCTOBER 19 FOR A STAFF UPDATE.
2:31:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:32:01PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS.
I KNOW WE SPOKE ON THIS, I GUESS IT WAS YESTERDAY.

WITH REGARDS TO THE LARGER COMMITTEE, IS THAT BEING WORKED
ON?
THIS IS THE SUBSECTION OR WHATEVER?
2:32:15PM >>OCEA WYNN:
WELL -- WE CANNOT HAVE THE SUBSECTION WITHOUT
HAVING THE LARGER ONE.
YES.
WE'RE READY TO MOVE ON WITH THE LARGER AND THEN AS A PEEL
OFF FROM THAT OR SUBCOMMITTEE FROM THAT WILL BE MOVING --
THAT WILL BE PART OF IT.
BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, YES, IT IS, WE'RE WORKING ON IT.
WE'RE GOING A LIT MORE LIGHTNING SPEED.
2:32:44PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE YOU.
2:32:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:32:48PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I KNOW WE'RE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT
WORLD WAR II, BUT, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A LOT OF
WORLD WAR II REPRESENTATIVES STILL ALIVE HERE.
MAY BE A FEW.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T LOSE FOCUS, THAT WE LOOK
AT ALL THE VETERANS, BECAUSE WE HAVE KOREAN VETERANS.
YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF VETERANS HERE STILL ALIVE.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S INCLUSIVE OF EVERYBODY.
I CAN TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENS, ONE GOES, I SERVED, I SERVED.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS RECOGNIZED WHO SERVED IN THE
MILITARY.

IT'S NOT JUST WORLD WAR II.
2:33:24PM >>OCEA WYNN:
NO, IT WILL NOT BE.
COUNCILMAN GUDES, IF I MAY, THE WORLD WAR II FOCUS WAS ONLY
BECAUSE COUNCILMAN CARLSON WANTED TO GET DETAIL OF THOSE
VETERANS WHO CAME THROUGH TAMPA UNION STATION.
THE VETERANS COMMITTEE WILL BE MADE UP -- WILL BE INCLUSIVE
OF ALL VETERANS.
THAT CARVE-OUT WAS ONLY SPECIFICALLY FOR THE REQUEST HE
MADE.
2:33:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:33:56PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, GARY MORMINO IS THE EXPERT ON THIS.
WHEN YOU SEE A BUILDING, YOU SEE A NICE BUILDING AND MIGHT
LIKE THE BUILDING.
IF YOU KNOW THE STORIES BEHIND IT, IT IS MORE MEANINGFUL.
THE IDEA HERE IS BEFORE WE HAD AN AIRPORT, THE WORLD WAR II
SOLDIERS HAD TO LEAVE AND COME BACK THROUGH TAMPA UNION
STATION.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF MEMORIES AROUND THAT.
AND THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THE VETERANS COMMITTEE WHICH WILL
HAVE EVERYBODY.
THIS IS JUST ABOUT TELLING THE STORY ABOUT THE WORLD WAR II
VETERANS THAT CAME AND WENT AND SOME DIDN'T COME BACK.
SO WE WANT TO GET SPECIFIC ADVICE AROUND THE EXPERIENCE OF
WORLD WAR II.
IT MIGHT BE FROM THE KIDS OR GRANDKIDS.

2:34:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH
THIS REPORT?
2:34:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
2:34:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM 91, MS. WYNN, YOU ARE THERE.
FILE CM 23-80348.
2:35:03PM >>OCEA WYNN:
YES, SIR.
WE WERE ASKED TO PROVIDE A REPORT ON THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN
THE MAYOR'S YOUTH COUNCIL AND TEENS LEADING CHANGE.
WE MET WITH EACH OF YOU.
WE PROVIDED THAT REPORT, AND WE ARE HERE TO ENTERTAIN ANY
QUESTIONS, AND I KNOW THAT COUNCILMAN GUDES HAD SOME
ADDITIONAL CONCERNS.
2:35:25PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
CTV, COULD YOU GO TO THE MONITOR?
FIRST, BY SAYING TO MS. HILLS AND MS. WYNN, THANK YOU FOR
THE HOUR AND SOMETHING MEETING YESTERDAY.
I APPRECIATE EVERYONE, AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE REAL FOCUS IS
AT THIS PARTICULAR JUNCTURE.
I'M REAL APPRECIATIVE THAT YOU WERE ACCEPTABLE TO WHAT I WAS
SAYING AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY, THE KIDS AND THE EMPLOYEES
ARE SAYING.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
CTV, I WANT YOU TO PUT UP THE MONITOR.
OKAY.
THE WHOLE PREMISE OF THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION IS I KNOW ABOUT

BOTH PROGRAMS.
IN 2019 I TALKED ABOUT AND ASKED FINANCIAL OFFICER WHO WAS
CHIEF OF STAFF AT THAT TIME AND A YOUNG LADIES MS. MOLLY HAD
A MEETING IN REFERENCE TO THE DIFFERENCES OF THE PROGRAM.
I THOUGHT WE WOULD GET SOME CHANGE BUT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
LATER ON, 2021, ASKED COME FORWARD WITH A PRESENTATION OF
THE BUILDINGS.
THOUGHT WE WOULD GET SOME KIND OF TRACTION.
THAT NEVER HAPPENED.
RECENTLY, IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION, I GOT A CALL AND A
LETTER FROM SOME FOLKS IN REFERENCE TO WHY IS IT THE MAYOR'S
YOUTH CORPS SEEMS TO BE THE ELITE PROGRAM OF THE CITY AND
THE TLC PROGRAM SEEMS TO BE THE UNDERLING.
WHY IS IT THAT THE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORPS HAS FUNDED DOLLARS IN
THE BUDGET AND THE OTHER KIDS DON'T?
AGAIN, AS I LOOK AT THE SCREEN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCREEN,
YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE TELLING ME.
WE JOT IT DOWN.
TOLD MS. WYNN YESTERDAY I WOULD HAVE THEM.
YOU CAN SEE HOW THEY TALK ABOUT THE MYC HAS CONSISTENT
ACCESS TO THE MAYOR AND ADMINISTRATION.
TLC REQUESTS ARE USUALLY DENIED.
THE MAYOR, MYC IS AFFORDED CONSTANT ACCESS TO THE MAYOR AND
INVITED TO ALL, TO ATTEND MOST ALL OF THE CITY EVENTS.
CAN WE GET IT ON THE SCREEN, PLEASE?

WE TALK ABOUT MYC PARTICIPANTS ARE INVITED TO SERVE AS HOSTS
AT THE CITY OF TAMPA OF EVENTS, CONVENTION CENTERS.
TLC IS NOT.
OFFERED INTERGOVERNMENT COURSES.
MYC IS THE ONLY GROUP THAT CAN REPRESENT THE CITY OF TAMPA
AT NATIONAL AND FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES CONFERENCES.
I HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I HEARD MANY TIMES THE KIDS ARE FUND-RAISING.
CITY PROGRAM, IT SHOULD BE BUDGETED EQUALLY AS THE MAYOR'S
YOUTH CORPS, MYC IS ALLOWED TO HAVE SOCIAL MEDIA SITES,
ESPECIALLY FOR THEM.
TLC CANNOT.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT EITHER.
MYC CAN HAVE ITS OWN YouTube CHANNEL, SHARE AND PROMOTE
THEIR PROGRAM.
TLC CANNOT.
MULTIMEDIA EQUIPMENT TO PRODUCE CONTENT, CAMERAS, LAPTOPS,
DRONES, CAN PURCHASE POLO SHIRTS FOR PARTICIPANTS.
PAYS FOR ANNUAL RETREAT FOR PARTICIPANTS.
THEY HAVE A DEDICATED COORDINATOR.
TLC DOES NOT.
AGAIN, MY BIGGEST THING, IF WE SAY THIS IS AN ELITIST
PROGRAM OVER HERE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE EQUITY IS OVER
HERE FOR THE OTHER PROGRAM, BUT ALSO YOU LOOK AT THE
CRITERIA -- I'LL SHOW THE CRITERIA IN JUST A SECOND -- WHILE

I FEEL THAT I ALWAYS HEAR WHERE THEY ARE STRUGGLING GETTING
KIDS BUT I SEE KIDS COME FROM AFFLUENT SCHOOLS AND I HAVE AN
ISSUE WHAT I CALL A ROADBLOCK.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CRITERIA, I SEE ROADBLOCKS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TLC CRITERIA IN THE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORPS
CRITERIA, TALK ABOUT BACKGROUND, I HEAR THE WORD BACKGROUND,
THAT MEANS A ROADBLOCK FOR SOME KIDS.
COULD HAVE MADE A CRIMINAL MISTAKE, BUT AGAIN THAT DOESN'T
PRECLUDE THEM FROM HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET INTO THE
MAYOR'S YOUTH CORPS.
YOU HAVE EMPLOYEES WHO TELL ME WE HAVE GOOD KIDS AND ASK
TIME AND TIME AGAIN, WHY CAN'T ONE OF OUR KIDS WHO WE
SUGGEST MOVE INTO THE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORPS.
APPARENTLY, THEY HAVE BEEN DENIED THAT.
MY THING IS TO LOOK AT, WE CAN HAVE EQUALITY.
WE TALK ABOUT EQUALITY ALL THE TIME.
BUT THE BASIS IS EQUITY HERE.
WHAT I SEE HERE WITH THESE TWO PROGRAMS IS A LACK OF EQUITY.
A PURE LACK OF EQUITY.
AS WE TALKED YESTERDAY, MS. WYNN AND MS. HILLS, TALK ABOUT
TLC IS BIG AND GROWN AND KIND OF THE FOCUS OF THE PROGRAM
HAS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT.
MAYBE IT'S TIME FOR US TO MAKE THE CHANGE.
I HOPE NOW THAT WE WILL.
NOT DOWNING THE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORPS.

I THINK IT IS A VALUABLE PROGRAM.
WHEN PAM IORIO GOT IT AND IT WAS MOVING, IT HAD FOCUS,
THROUGH DIFFERENT MAYORS IT HAS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT.
SOME PEOPLE'S EYES AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT PEOPLE BELIEVE
IT IS AN ELITIST PROGRAM FOR CERTAIN KIDS, FOR CERTAIN
COMMUNITIES.
WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU HEARD SOME PARENTS CALL THEIR KIDS WHO
HAVE BEEN IN THE PROGRAM, BUT I'VE SEEN SOME KIDS DON'T HAVE
AUTOMOBILES TO BE IN THE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORPS.
THEY CAN GET TO THEIR MEETINGS AT 3:00, 4:00.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE TRANSPORTATION TO DO THAT.
I'M ASKING THAT YOU TAKE THIS BACK, MS. WYNN, BECAUSE I KNOW
YOU ALWAYS KEPT YOUR WORD WITH ME, AND MS. HILLS THAT YOU
LOOK BACK AND LOOK AT HOW WE CAN STRENGTHEN, ADD AN EQUAL
BUDGET, LOOK AT SOME OF THE CRITERIA OF THE MAYOR'S YOUTH
GROUP AND TLC.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO ALWAYS BE TO WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE
PERFECT TO WHERE EACH PROGRAM -- BECAUSE TLC DOES HAVE A
NICHE FOR CERTAIN THINGS.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
SO DOES THE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORPS.
SOME OF THE THINGS CAN BE EQUAL AND EQUITABLE.
A LOT OF THINGS I SEE CAN BE EQUAL AND EQUITABLE.
IF THE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORPS ONLY TAKES 12, 13 KIDS, MAYBE 6
NEEDS TO GO FROM THE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORPS AND 6 TO THE TLC

GROUP AND GO TO WASHINGTON, D.C., TO THE NATIONAL LEGAL OF
CITIES OR THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES OR TALLAHASSEE WHERE
THE OTHER GROUP WENT TO TALLAHASSEE.
THEY HAD A SPONSOR TO HELP THEM GET THERE, PRAISE GOD, BUT I
THINK THAT THEY DESERVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT
A LITTLE CITY GOVERNMENT, TOO, NOT JUST KICKBALL AND
BASEBALL AND SOME OF THE THINGS THEY DO.
I KNOW THEY HAVE OTHER PROGRAMS WITHIN TLC, BUT I THINK SOME
OF THOSE KIDS EVENTUALLY WOULD LIKE TO BE POSSIBLE CITY
EMPLOYEES OR GO INTO CITY GOVERNMENT AS WELL.
WE CAN'T EXCLUDE THEM FROM UNDERSTANDING HOW IT OPERATES.
THE MAIN THING THAT HURTS ME, WHEN I HAVE THE ACTUAL
EMPLOYEES THAT TELL ME THEY FEEL THAT THE PROGRAM IS
UNBALANCED, IT'S UNEQUAL, THAT IS A CONCERN, BUT WHEN KIDS,
KIND OF LIKE IF I GOT TWO DAUGHTERS AND ONE DAUGHTER TELLS
THEIR FRIEND, WELL, DADDY TREATS ME DIFFERENTLY THAN HE
TREATS YOU.
THAT'S WHAT I FEEL LIKE THIS IS HERE RIGHT NOW, ONE PROGRAM
IS TREATED DIFFERENTLY THAN OTHERS.
AND THAT IS THE PERCEPTION.
MIGHT NOT THINK THAT BUT THE PERCEPTION, PERCEIVED RIGHT
NOW, IT IS.
FROM WHAT I SEE WHEN I LOOK AT THE SCHOOLS THAT THE KIDS ARE
COMING FROM, TO ME THAT IS MY PERCEPTION.
THAT'S MY REALITY.

THAT'S WHY I'VE BEEN PREACHING THIS SINCE DAY ONE.
I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION, MS. WYNN.
AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT IT YESTERDAY FOR A WHILE.
I THINK YOU AND MS. HILLS SEE MY EYES WHAT WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT.
YOU HEARD SOME OF THE PARENTS.
YOU HAVE A MAYOR'S UNIVERSITY BUT NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT THE TLC
KIDS.
THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR ME.
THAT'S A PROBLEM.
LIKE YOU SAID, EYES ARE OPENED.
I THINK YOU GUYS' EYES HAVE NOW BEEN OPENED BECAUSE YOU'VE
BEEN HEARING IT.
I THINK NOW WE CAN SOUND THE ALARM THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT
BOTH PROGRAMS.
AGAIN, BOTH PROGRAMS MAY BE DIFFERENT.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
BUT I HAVE A PROBLEM WHEN SOME OF THE LITTLE TRINKETS ARE
GIVEN OVER HERE AND THE OTHER KIDS DON'T GET THE TRINKETS AS
WELL.
I'M HOOKING AT THE TRINKETS.
CURRICULUM CAN BE STRUCTURED DIFFERENTLY, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT
THE TRINKETS, THAT'S THE EQUITY THAT I BELIEVE IS MISSING.
BEFORE WE FINISH, I'LL MAKE A COUPLE OF MOTIONS,
RECOMMENDATION THAT BOTH PROGRAMS EVALUATED, ALSO A BUDGET

BE IMPLEMENTED IN THE UPCOMING BUDGET SO BOTH PROGRAMS CAN
SURVIVE AND BE ABLE TO PARTAKE IN GOING TO PLACES AND DOING
OTHER THINGS EQUALLY AND EQUITABLY.
I'LL BE MAKING THAT MOTION AT THE END.
2:44:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:44:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN GUDES, FOR
BRINGING THIS UP.
EVERY YEAR I GET INVITED TO SPEAK TO THE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORPS
AND THEY ARE ALWAYS, ALWAYS AN AMAZING GROUP OF STUDENTS
FROM ALL DIFFERENT WALKS OF LIFE.
HOWEVER, COUNCILMAN GUDES BRINGS UP A LOT OF GOOD POINTS.
WHAT I SEE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF TLC ALSO HAS THIS, BUT WITH
THE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORPS, THEY ALWAYS HAVE SPONSORS.
IT'S ALWAYS A BIG BANK OR A FINANCIAL INSTITUTION.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS BANK OF AMERICA OR CHASE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
THEY ALWAYS GET RECOGNITION.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEY GIVE.
I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT AMOUNT.
IF THEY DON'T HAVE SPONSORS SIMILAR TO WHAT OR LIKE THE
MAYOR'S YOUTH CORPS, PERHAPS WE NEED TO SEEK OUT SPONSORS
FOR TLC TO HELP BUILD UP THE ORGANIZATION.
I SEE THE CRITERIA IS DIFFERENT.
YOU HAVE TEENS 13 THROUGH 17 WITH THE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORPS
IT'S DIFFERENT.

GRADES 9, 10, 11, FROM A LIMITED AMOUNT OF SCHOOLS
THROUGHOUT TAMPA.
TLC YOU NEED A CURRENT REC CARD.
NOT EVERYBODY CAN GET THAT REC CARD.
BUT COUNCILMAN GUDES IS RIGHT.
WE WANT TO LIFT UP OUR YOUTH.
WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE IT AND INSPIRE YOUTH.
THE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORPS IS AN AMAZING PROGRAM BECAUSE IT
TAKES KIDS FROM HERE TO WASHINGTON TO ALL OVER.
THEY SEE ALL THE DEPARTMENTS OF THE CITY.
THEY MEET WITH THE MAYOR ALL THE TIME.
THEY ARE VERY ACTIVE.
I SEE THEM AT THE T-MALL ACROSS THE STREET.
IF WE NEED TO BUDGET MORE FOR TLC OR NEED TO SEEK OUT
SPONSORS SO WE CAN MAKE IT MORE EQUITABLE, IT'S ONLY
BENEFICIAL.
THERE'S NO DOWN SIDE TO IT.
AND WE CAN REALLY HELP A BROADER BASE OF THE COMMUNITY THAT
IS NOT AS RESTRICTIVE IN THE CRITERIA FOR SELECTION, AND WE
CAN JUST DIVERSIFY AND BUILD THAT EQUITY.
THANKS FOR BRINGING IT UP.
AGAIN, I'VE SEEN THE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORPS FIRSTHAND FOR MANY
YEARS.
IT'S GREAT, BUT WE CAN SPREAD THE LOVE TO THIS OTHER GROUP
SO WE CAN REACH OUT TO MORE YOUNG PEOPLE.

2:46:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MS. WYNN.
2:46:13PM >>OCEA WYNN:
YES, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT THE TEENS
LEADING CHANGE DOES HAVE A SMALL SPONSORSHIP, BUT WE WILL
LOOK AT INCREASING THAT, AND WE HAVE PUT IN A BUDGET REQUEST
JUST FOR TEENS LEADING CHANGE AS WELL.
I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT.
IN TERMS OF THE REC CARDS, IF THERE ARE ANY KIDS OR
STUDENTS, YOUNG ADULTS WHO CANNOT AFFORD THE REC CARD, WE'LL
GIVE IT TO THEM FOR FREE.
WE DO PROVIDE THAT.
WE DO NOT WANT THE FACT THAT YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO GET A REC
CARD A HINDRANCE FOR YOU TO PARTICIPATE, NOT ONLY IN TEENS
LEADING CHANGE BUT IN ANY REC PROGRAM.
2:46:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
2:46:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'LL BE HONEST, THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST
TIMES I'VE HEARD OF TEENS LEADING CHANGE.
I'M STILL NOT CLEAR, THESE MISSION STATEMENTS DON'T REALLY
SHOW THE DIFFERENCE.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE TWO PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF ONE OR
IF WE HAVE THE SECOND PROGRAM, HOW IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE
MAYOR'S YOUTH CORPS.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD, WHEN COMING BACK,
JUST REALLY CLARIFY REALLY WHAT THE DIFFERENCES ARE.
IF WE'RE FOCUSING ON ONE, I SEE SPORTS AND EDUCATIONAL
ENDEAVORS AND SPECIAL PROJECTS, SO IS THAT MORE SPECIFIC TO

-- I MEAN, HOWEVER WE'RE DIFFERENTIATING THEM, IF ONE IS
FOCUSED ON GOVERNMENT BUT ONE IS FOCUSED ON -- WHATEVER IT'S
FOCUSED ON, IF WE COULD JUST GET SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE
CLARITY WITH THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THEN WE CAN ATTRACT
STUDENTS TO BOTH PROGRAMS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THAT
PARTICULAR ASPECT, IF THEY REALLY ARE THAT DIFFERENT.
RIGHT NOW, I DON'T SEE THE WILD DIFFERENCE, BUT I ALSO DO
AGREE OVERALL THAT, YES, MORE FUNDING FOR BOTH.
WE SHOULD REALLY ABSOLUTELY REACH OUT AND REALLY TRY TO, I
AGREE ON EXPANDING THE OPPORTUNITIES AND ENCOURAGE OTHER
SCHOOLS AND OTHER STUDENTS TO PARTICIPATE IN MAYOR'S YOUTH
CORPS THAN WHAT ARE TRADITIONALLY DONE.
BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A CLEAR DELINEATION BECAUSE RIGHT
NOW I'M FINDING IT CONFUSING, SO I THINK THE PUBLIC MIGHT AS
WELL.
THANK YOU.
2:48:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:48:43PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THESE
PROGRAMS OTHER THAN WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC AND I'VE
HEARD TODAY.
I DON'T THINK I'VE BEEN INVITED TO GO TO ANY OF THESE
THINGS.
SEVERAL PIECES OF FEEDBACK.
I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES ABOUT MAKING EQUITABLE AND
EVERYTHING.

I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THIS CITY, YOUR DEPARTMENT STEP BACK
AND LOOK AT HOW CAN WE ENGAGE THIS AUDIENCE, WHATEVER THE
AUDIENCE IS, TEENAGERS, AND FIGURE OUT HOW CAN WE DO
SOMETHING THAT IS BENEFICIAL TO THEM?
PRESUMABLY SOMETHING THEY CAN PUT ON THEIR RESUMÉ, GIVES
THEM SOME KIND OF EXPERIENCE, HOPEFULLY SOME KIND OF
TRAINING SKILLS, BUT BACK UP AND SAY, WHAT IS THE BEST WAY
THAT THE CITY CAN PARTICIPATE IN THIS AND BUILD A FOUNDATION
FOR TOMORROW'S LEADERS.
WE PROBABLY ALL WERE PART OF THE PROGRAMS LIKE THAT WHEN WE
WERE KIDS, AND IT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.
IF YOU ALL NEED FUNDING, WE CAN HELP GO TO THE PRIVATE
SECTOR OR EACH OF US AND/OR THROUGH CRA OR WHATEVER, LET US
KNOW BECAUSE THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT THING.
I OBJECT TO THINGS THAT ARE CALLED MAYOR'S.
I UNDERSTAND WHY PREVIOUS MAYORS DID THIS, AND IT IS
PRESTIGIOUS TO HAVE MAYORS, BUT I WISH THERE WAS SOME OTHER
WAY TO PROMOTE PRESTIGE OTHER THAN THAT, ESPECIALLY SINCE
THE PUBLIC IS DEMANDING THAT CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR GET
ALONG.
I WISH MORE WAYS THAT IT WAS INCLUSIVE OF CITY COUNCIL.
MAYBE SOMEBODY FROM CITY COUNCIL IS INVITED EVERY YEAR TO DO
IT.
I NEVER REALLY HEARD OF THESE PROGRAMS BEFORE.
IT WOULD BE GREAT IF IT WAS SOMETHING RELATED TO THE CITY

AND WE COULD BUILD SOME KIND OF PRESTIGE AROUND IT.
IF YOU WANT HELP WITH BRANDING, I'M HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH
YOU.
TWO QUICK THINGS ABOUT BRANDING, I WOULD GET RID OF TLC.
TLC HAS OTHER CONNOTATIONS, WHICH ARE FINE.
MAYBE SOMEBODY WAS TRYING TO BE CUTE OR IT WAS AN ACCIDENT,
IF YOU CALLED IT TEENS LEADERSHIP PROGRAM OR SOMETHING,
SOMETHING THAT IS PRESTIGIOUS, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING
TO PUT.
IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT A KID CAN PUT ON THEIR RESUMÉ TO GET
INTO COLLEGE OR A BETTER HIGH SCHOOL, SOMETHING THAT GOES
ALONG WITH THAT.
2:51:02PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
TALKED ABOUT THAT, MR. CARLSON.
2:51:04PM >>BILL CARLSON:
TLC HAS OTHER CONNOTATIONS WHICH I WOULDN'T
USE.
BRANDING 101, DON'T USE INITIALS.
YOU SHOULDN'T EVER USE INITIALS.
IDEALLY, NAMES WOULD BE LESS THAN FIVE SYLLABLES.
IDEALLY TWO OR THREE SYLLABLES IN A SHORT FORM, BUT IF YOU
HAVE MYC, IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING ELSE.
IF IT'S TLC, IT CAN POTENTIALLY MEAN SOMETHING ELSE.
IT'S BETTER, EVEN IF IT'S MORE THAN FIVE SYLLABLES, BETTER
TO SPELL OUT THE NAME AND HAVE SOME KIND OF OTHER SYMBOL.
I'M JUST PUTTING THIS AS A PLACE HOLDER.
INSTEAD OF TLC, IF YOU HAD -- INSTEAD OF MYC, IF YOU HAD AN

OFFICIAL LOOKING SEAL, NOT CITY SEAL, OFFICIAL IMPORTANT
LOOKING SEAL AND SAID TAMPA YOUTH CORPS OR CITY OF TAMPA
YOUTH CORPS, SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD BE PROUD OF TO HAVE
THE LOGO, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.
THE ONE ON THE LEFT LOOKS LIKE IT IS A FUN SUMMER CAMP.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
MAYBE THAT'S RIGHT.
BUT JUST SOME FEEDBACK ON BRANDING.
THE LAST THING IS, I HEARD SOME THINGS THAT CONCERN ME.
ESSENTIALLY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WHAT PEOPLE FROM THE
PUBLIC SAID, BLACK KIDS ARE CLEANING UP TRASH AND THE WHITE
KIDS ARE MEETING WITH THE MAYOR.
CAN YOU TELL US --
2:52:23PM >>OCEA WYNN:
TWO DIFFERENT PROGRAMS, COUNCILMAN.
WE'RE TALKING -- WE'RE TRYING TO COMBINE -- THAT COMMENT WAS
MADE, BUT THERE'S A COMBINATION OF TWO PROGRAMS.
THE CLEANUP TRASH, THAT PROGRAM WAS THE JOBS PROGRAM.
LEADERSHIP, GETTING KIDS TOGETHER.
TWO DIFFERENT PROGRAMS.
2:52:44PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST A REEVALUATION, IF WE'RE ENGAGING KIDS
IN LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS FOR DIFFERENT REASONS, IT MIGHT BE
WORTH A STRATEGY SESSION, AND WE COULD GIVE YOU OUR INPUT ON
IT, TOO, IF YOU WANT.
BUT JUST INPUT INTO THE BRANDING OF THEM.
HOW IT SHOULD BE STRUCTURED, AND I WOULD RECOMMEND MAYBE

FOCUS GROUPS WITH PARENTS AND/OR KIDS TO HEAR BACK FROM THEM
ON WHAT IS MEANINGFUL.
IF THE GOAL OF THAT PROGRAM IS TO PROVIDE SUMMER JOBS,
THAT'S GREAT.
BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE DO IT IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T LOOK
LIKE IT'S DISCRIMINATORY OR DEMEANING.
AND ON THESE PROGRAMS, IF THE IDEA IS TO HELP THEM PUT
SOMETHING PRESTIGIOUS ON THEIR RESUMÉ, I THINK WE CAN DO IT
DIFFERENTLY.
I'M HAPPY TO HELP.
2:53:29PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:53:31PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT IS THE THING, MR. CARLSON.
A KID GOES TO THE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORPS ON THEIR RESUMÉ, IT'S
DIFFERENT THAN TLC.
I WANT THESE KIDS TO BE ABLE TO NOT PLAY KICKBALL OR
BASKETBALL, BUT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME OTHER GOVERNMENTAL
EXPERIENCE, SAY I DID THIS IN THIS PROGRAM, IT IS A CITY OF
TAMPA PROGRAM, WHAT A MEANINGFUL NAME, LIKE YOU SAID, AND
PUT THAT ON THE RESUMÉ.
SOME OF THE KIDS ARE GOING TO COLLEGE.
THEY ARE NOT JUST GOING TO GO TO A TRADE SCHOOL OR GET A
JOB.
IT MAY HELP THOSE GETTING A JOB.
I THINK THIS PROGRAM HERE COULD BE MORE.
IT COULD BE MORE.

IF YOU STILL WANT TO HAVE THIS PRESTIGIOUS --
[ENCODER DROP]
-- NEED TO TAKE BACK TO THE ADMINISTRATION THE
RECOMMENDATIONS I'VE SUBMITTED, RECOMMENDATION OF THIS
COUNCIL, AND COME BACK WITH SOME UPGRADED CHANGES AS IT
RELATES TO THE PROGRAMS, BOTH PROGRAMS.
ALSO, THE BUDGETARY REQUIREMENTS OF ADDING THEM INTO THE
BUDGET TO EQUAL, I KNOW THE TEENS LEADING CHANGE HAVE LITTLE
MORE KIDS, THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY.
THAT'S OKAY.
BUT MAKING SURE THERE'S MONEY FROM THE CITY BUDGET THAT IS
HELPING OUR KIDS AND BRING THAT BACK WITH THOSE
RECOMMENDATIONS, THOSE POSSIBLE CHANGES TO THE MISSION
STATEMENTS TO BOTH THOSE GROUPS, AND I WOULD SAY NO MORE
THAN 60, 90 DAYS.
HOW MUCH DO YOU NEED?
2:55:34PM >>OCEA WYNN:
COUNCILMAN GUDES, I THINK 90 DAYS --
2:55:37PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WON'T BE HERE, BUT I'M SURE MY COLLEAGUE
HERE, MR. CARLSON, WILL MAKE SURE AND I'LL BE AT THE PODIUM
WHEN IT COMES BACK TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT DONE BECAUSE IT
NEEDS TO BE DONE.
JULY 13th.
2:55:50PM >>OCEA WYNN:
YES, SIR.
THAT WILL WORK.
2:55:55PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
JULY 13th.

THAT'S THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
2:55:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:56:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO, I WAS THINKING JULY 13 IS THE FIRST
TIME BACK I BELIEVE AFTER THE VACATION, ISN'T IT?
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET EQUAL TIME BECAUSE THAT
WILL BE A BIG AGENDA, I GUESS.
I'M NOT SURE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:56:25PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU DON'T TAKE VACATIONS I THOUGHT.
2:56:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE CALENDAR SAID THAT, NOT ME.
DR. DON'T HEAR.
HE DOESN'T HEAR AT ALL.
2:56:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS?
IF I MAY, COUNCILMAN GUDES, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING EQUITY TO
THESE TWO PROGRAMS.
I APPLAUD YOU FOR THAT.
I DON'T WANT TO TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM MS. BIEBEL AND WHAT
SHE HAS DONE WITH THE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORPS.
I HAVE BEEN WITH HER ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS OVER THE LAST FOUR
YEARS AT FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES, MIAMI, ORLANDO, AND OTHER
PLACES AROUND AND NATIONAL FLC AND THE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORPS
HAS REPRESENTED THE CITY OF TAMPA VERY, VERY WELL,
ESPECIALLY IN DEBATES, DISCUSSIONS, AND THEIR PERFORMANCE.

CAN WE HAVE ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE?
2:57:18PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
2:57:19PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
2:57:19PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
2:57:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
2:57:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
2:57:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
2:57:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
2:57:25PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
2:57:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:57:28PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AGAIN, MS. WYNN AND MS. HILLS, THANK YOU
FOR THE TIME YOU SPENT AND THE HONEST CONVERSATIONS.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
AGAIN, NOTHING TAKEN AWAY FROM MAYOR'S YOUTH CORPS OR
MS. MOLLY.
SHE'S DONE A GREAT JOB.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL EYES BEING OPEN ON BOTH PROGRAMS
NOW.
I THINK THE PROGRAMS ARE CHANGING AND GROWING AND NEED TO
PUT ANOTHER LIGHT ON THEM.
THANK YOU AGAIN.
2:57:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM 2, FILE NUMBER CM23-80619.
2:58:00PM >>OCEA WYNN:
OCEA WYNN, ADMINISTRATOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND
COMMUNITY AFFAIRS.
COUNCIL, YOU ASKED US TO COME AND PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON EAST

TAMPA RECREATION PROJECT.
I WILL HAVE SHERISHA HILLS AS THE OWNER OF THE PROJECT AND
CHRIS THOMPSON AS THE PROJECT MANAGER TO COME AND PROVIDE AN
UPDATE.
GOING FORWARD, YOU'LL SEE THE FORMAT.
WE HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SPONSOR, THAT'S ME.
WE HAVE THE OWNER AND WE HAVE THE PROJECT MANAGER.
SO ALL OF THE PROJECTS YOU WILL SEE THIS FORM.
2:58:39PM >> 92.
2:58:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
92.
2:58:43PM >> SOMEBODY SAID 2.
2:58:46PM >>SHERISHA HILLS:
SHERISHA HILLS, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND REC.
AS ADMINISTRATOR WYNN SAID, WE'LL GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE OF
WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR AND COMPLETED WITH THIS PROJECT AND
THEN WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS.
I'LL HAVE CHRIS THOMPSON GO AHEAD AND STEP UP AND TELL YOU
WHAT WE HAVE DONE AND WHAT TO EXPECT ON THE UPCOMING MONTHS.
2:59:06PM >> THANK YOU.
CHRIS THOMPSON, PARKS AND REC LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.
SO FAR ON THE EAST TAMPA RECREATION PROJECT, WE HAVE VACATED
ALL NECESSARY STREETS TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT.
WE HAVE HIRED A DESIGN-BUILD CONSULTANT.
GOT UNDER A FIRST-PHASE AGREEMENT WITH THEM.
THEY ARE CURRENTLY DESIGNING THE PROJECT.
WE HAVE PURCHASED PROPERTY.

WE HAVE DEMOLISHED A LARGE BUILDING TO MAKE WAY FOR
IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SOUTH PART OF THE SITE.
AND WE HAVE NOW HELD THREE PUBLIC MEETINGS.
BACK ON FEBRUARY 15th, WE HAD OUR FIRST PUBLIC MEETING
WITH A LITTLE OVER 100 IN ATTENDANCE AND SOME MEETING
VIRTUALLY, AND WE GATHERED INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY.
AT THAT TIME THE INPUT WAS COMPILED.
THE CONSULTANT TOOK IT BACK AND CREATED A LIST OF WHAT THEY
HEARD, WHAT WAS MOST IMPORTANT FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND THEN
THEY CREATED THREE CONCEPTS WITH THAT.
BEFORE THEY PRESENTED THAT, THEY ACTUALLY ALSO GOT INPUT ON
FEBRUARY 18th FROM THE CHILDREN.
MET AT FAIR OAKS, AND THEY HAD LUNCH AND CHILDREN WERE
PROVIDED DIFFERENT PROFESSIONALS TO TALK TO, AND IT WAS AN
OPEN DISCUSSION, AND THEY FOUND OUT WHAT THE KIDS ACTUALLY
WANT IN THE AREA, WHAT DO THEY WANT TO SEE AND HOW DO THEY
ENVISION IT?
THEY COMPILED THE ADULT INFORMATION WITH THE CHILDREN'S
INFORMATION TO CREATE THE THREE CONCEPTS, WHICH THEY
PRESENTED ON MARCH 14th AT OUR THIRD PUBLIC MEETING AT
MIDDLETON.
AND THOSE THREE FLEXIBLE CONCEPTS WERE THEN DISCUSSED OUT IN
PUBLIC FORUM.
THE COMMENTS THAT CAME IN FROM THE COMMUNITY WERE THEN
ADDRESSED AND FOLDED INTO ANOTHER CONCEPT WHICH WAS

PRESENTED TO THE CITY AND WE THEN MADE OUR COMMENTS ON THAT
SO THAT THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN OF THE EAST
TAMPA RECREATIONAL CENTER SITE PLAN AND COMPLEX.
RIGHT NOW, OUR NEXT MEETING IS AUGUST 16th, AND THAT WILL
BE WHERE THE FINAL DESIGN IS PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC AT
MIDDLETON, AND THAT DESIGN THEN WILL LEAD INTO OUR GMP SO
THAT THE CONTRACTOR CAN START CONSTRUCTION IN THE FALL.
3:01:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:01:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE UPDATE.
I WAS AT THAT LAST MEETING, AND SINCE THEN, ALL THROUGHOUT
THE COMMUNITY, EVERY TIME I GO SOMEWHERE, SOMEONE SAYS TO
ME, THE SENIORS ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THEIR OWN BUILDING.
THE SENIORS ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THEIR OWN BUILDING SEPARATE
FROM THE CHILDREN.
THEY DON'T WANT TO BE WITH THE CHILDREN.
THEY ARE VERY INSISTENT ON THIS.
THIS IS WHAT THEY WERE PROMISED.
THIS IS WHAT THEY WERE TOLD.
SO I'M REALLY HOPING THAT WHEN IT COMES BACK TO US THAT THAT
IS WHAT WE SEE BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS TELLING
US SO LOUDLY.
WHEN YOU DO PRESENT, ONE OF THE CONCERNS I SAW AT THAT
PRESENTATION WAS THERE WAS A VERY SMALL SCREEN AND A LOT OF
THOSE SENIORS CAN'T SEE -- WELL, ANYONE COULDN'T SEE.
I COULDN'T SEE.

I WAS SITTING IN THE BACK.
IT WAS REALLY HARD TO SEE THE PRESENTATION.
A COUPLE OF FOLKS MENTIONED IF THEY HAD PRINTOUTS SO THEY
COULD LOOK AT THEM, I THINK THAT'S 100% WHAT WE SHOULD BE
DOING WITH ALL PROJECTS IN THAT, WHEN WE'RE IN THAT STAGE.
SO FOLKS CAN REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT IT, GO HOME, TAKE A LOOK,
TAKE THE TIME UNTIL THEY HAVE TO PRESENT THE COMMENTS.
A LOT OF FOLKS SAID THAT THEY JUST COULDN'T REMEMBER WHICH
ONE WAS WHICH.
SO I THINK WE DID A BIT OF A DISSERVICE THERE BECAUSE FOLKS
REALLY JUST COULDN'T REMEMBER WHAT WAS WHERE AND THEY
COULDN'T SEE IT ON THE SCREEN.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I APPRECIATE FOLKS COMING OUT AND
HAVING THAT CONVERSATION, BUT I WILL TELL YOU FROM NOW UNTIL
AUGUST, WE WILL STILL BE HEARING THOSE COMMENTS THAT THE
SENIORS REALLY WANT A SEPARATE CENTER.
SO THANK YOU.
3:03:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
3:03:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK MENTIONED ABOUT THE
SENIORS.
I'M GOOD.
3:03:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:03:34PM >>BILL CARLSON:
COULD YOU TELL US WHAT THE TOTAL BUDGET IS
FOR THIS PROJECT NOW AND WHAT THE BIG BUCKETS ARE, LIKE THE
TOP FIVE OR TEN BIG BUCKETS?

3:03:43PM >>CHRIS THOMPSON:
THE TOTAL PROJECT IS RIGHT AROUND 40
MILLION.
TOTAL PROJECT, DESIGN, ACQUISITION, I THINK IT'S MAYBE 41
MILLION BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE CRA PUT MONEY IN FOR THE
PURCHASE OF PROPERTY, BUT THE ACTUAL DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION
IS 40 MILLION.
3:04:00PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT ARE SOME OF THE BIG BUCKETS THAT THAT'S
GOING TO GO TOWARD?
3:04:04PM >>CHRIS THOMPSON:
THE BIG ITEMS, WELL, A NEW SENIOR CENTER.
THERE WILL BE OUTDOOR IMPROVED FOOTBALL SPORTS FIELD,
SHUFFLEBOARD, OPEN EVENT AREA, OPEN LAWN, RESTROOMS, SPLASH
PAD, AND THE PLAYGROUND, IMPROVED PLAY AREAS FOR 2 THROUGH 5
AS WELL AS 5 THROUGH 12.
THERE WILL BE RECREATIONAL COMPLEX THAT WILL TAKE OVER THE
CURRENT PROGRAMS AT THE FAIR OAKS CENTER AS WELL AS A
CONSOLIDATED SENIOR PROGRAMMING.
3:04:46PM >>SHERISHA HILLS:
THIS WAS EVERYTHING THAT WAS PRESENTED AT
THE MEETINGS THAT WERE BASED OFF OF THE FEEDBACK AS WELL.
3:04:52PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I RECALLED
EVERYTHING CORRECTLY.
FIRST OF ALL, WHEN THE COMMUNITY CAME TO US ABOUT FAIR OAKS
FOUR YEARS AGO, WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR THAT THEY HAVEN'T
EVEN HAD THE BUILDING REPAINTED IN EVER, I THINK, AT LEAST
IN DECADES.
AND THERE WERE RATS IN THE CEILING AND I THINK SOME STAFF

THINK THERE WEREN'T, BUT THEY DID FIND AT LEAST ONE, AND THE
SENIORS AND OTHERS TOLD US THEY WERE THERE.
IT WAS A FIRE TRAP.
ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS.
WE, CRA BOARD AND CITY COUNCIL PUSHED TO HAVE SOMETHING.
I THINK WE ESTIMATED ROUGHLY IN THE FOUR TO FIVE MILLION
DOLLARS RANGE AND THEN CAME BACK AT LIKE 14 MILLION AND NOW
41 MILLION.
I THINK EAST TAMPA DESERVES A QUALITY PARK AND EAST TAMPA
HAS BEEN UNDERREPRESENTED FOR A LONG TIME.
DEFINITELY DESERVES.
THE BUDGET FOR THE WHOLE CITY FOR A YEAR IS $5 MILLION FOR
PARKS, AND THE OTHER PEOPLE AND OTHER PARKS ARE OUTRAGED.
GOING FROM FIVE MILLION TO REBUILD THE BUILDING OR
14 MILLION TO ADD SOME AMENITIES TO 41 MILLION, PEOPLE ARE
OUTRAGED BECAUSE THERE ARE SIMPLE THINGS THAT ARE BROKEN IN
OTHER PARKS THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT PEOPLE FELT.
IF THERE WAS BONDING CAPACITY THAT PEOPLE FEEL THAT WE
SHOULD HAVE DONE THE PLAN FIRST.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PARKS PRIORITY PLAN, AND THEN IF WE HAD
BONDING CAPACITY, WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT.
AGAIN, I THINK THAT EAST TAMPA DEFINITELY DESERVES A BIG
INVESTMENT, BUT OTHER PARKS IN EAST TAMPA THAT ARE NOT BEING
UPGRADED ALSO AND AT LEAST I'M HEARING COMPLAINTS ABOUT
THAT.

WHAT I WOULD ASK, THIS ONE IS TOO LATE.
BUT AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE PLAN AND THE OBJECTIVE
PRIORITIZATION OF THE PLAN, IF SOMEONE HAS BONDING CAPACITY
LIKE THAT, THAT GOES ABOVE THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE ANNUALLY,
I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A LARGER ROBUST DISCUSSION ABOUT THE
CITYWIDE PRIORITIES.
IT WAS EASY TO TELL THAT THAT BUILDING AT FAIR OAKS NEEDED
TO BE REPLACED AND IT WAS EASY TO TELL THEY DIDN'T HAVE A
COMPUTER CENTER, ALL THESE THINGS.
5 MILLION TO 40 MILLION, THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW ABOUT IT IN THE
PUBLIC ARE REALLY OUTRAGED BY IT.
SOME PEOPLE IN EAST TAMPA THAT WILL BE HAPPY, PEOPLE NEAR
THE PARKS THAT AREN'T BEING RENOVATED AREN'T HAPPY.
I THINK NEXT TIME WE HAVE TO DO A BETTER JOB FIGURING OUT
WHAT WE WOULD DO WITH MONEY.
THIS IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN JULIAN LANE PARK, WHICH
EVERYBODY THOUGHT WAS EXTRAVAGANT AND OUTRAGEOUS.
THE REASON WHY I ASKED FOR THE BIG BUCKETS, THE PART OF
JULIAN LANE THAT PEOPLE WERE IN PARTICULAR INCENSED ABOUT
WAS THE BOATHOUSE FOR 12 MILLION.
I'M HOPING THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THAT IN THIS.
BUT, PLEASE, WITH ALL THE PRIORITIES OF PARKS THROUGHOUT THE
CITY, WE'RE GETTING MORE AND MORE COMPLAINTS ALL THE TIME.
WE NEED TO STEP BACK AND SEE WHAT CAPACITY WE HAVE.
I WOULD HAVE MAYBE SAID, LET'S PUT 15 OR 20 MILLION INTO

THIS BECAUSE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY
COMPARED TO OUR ANNUAL BUDGET.
IF WE COULD HAVE SPENT FOUR TIMES THE ANNUAL BUDGET
THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE CITY TO FIX THINGS.
BUT, PLEASE, AS WE GO THROUGH THE FUTURE BUDGETING PROCESS,
LET'S STEP BACK AND LOOK AT THE PRIORITIES AND BE OBJECTIVE
ABOUT THE REST OF THE CITY, INCLUDING EAST TAMPA.
3:08:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:08:33PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I HEARD A LOT OF AMENITIES BUT I DIDN'T
HEAR ABOUT THAT GYMNASTICS AT ALL.
I DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT THE GYMNASTICS IN THERE AT ALL.
3:08:44PM >>SHERISHA HILLS:
HE DIDN'T GO DOWN EVERY SINGLE DETAIL.
3:08:48PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS.
I KNOW SOME PEOPLE IN OTHER AREAS MIGHT BE UPSET, BUT THIS
TIME I'M GOING TO SAY I'M SORRY TO UPSET BECAUSE THE EAST
SIDE HASN'T GOTTEN FOR DECADES.
I KNOW A BIG AMOUNT OF MONEY.
I'M SORRY, THEY NEVER HAD ANYTHING AS IT AMOUNTS TO MONEY ON
THAT SIDE OF TOWN EVER.
I MEAN, EVER.
IT IS WHAT IT IS AT THIS POINT, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
THE SENIORS HAVE THEIR OWN PLACE.
THEY DON'T WANT TO BE ON TOP OF NO BUILDING.
THEY WANT THEIR OWN PLACE TO WALK INTO, AND THIS WHOLE
THING, FAIR OAKS CAME INTO PLAY LATER ON, BUT THE PREMISE OF

THIS WHOLE 2019 WAS ABOUT THE SENIORS AND THOSE KIDS, AND IT
WAS ABOUT THE SENIORS HAVING THEIR OWN PLACE AND GYMNASTICS
SO THOSE KIDS WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO DANCE STEP ON THE CONCRETE
AT JACKSON HEIGHTS AND SOME OF THE OTHER PARKS.
THAT WAY THEY CAN ALL GO BECAUSE OTHER GYMNASTIC PLACES, OUR
KIDS COULDN'T GET INTO.
THEY HAD NO TRANSPORTATION TO GET TO.
THOSE ARE THE TICKET ITEMS.
THE FAIR OAKS COMPLEX CAME IN LATER.
IT WAS ALL ABOUT AL BARNES.
THE COUNTY GAVE US $500,000 TOWARD THE PROJECT.
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO ALL BE AT THE AL BARNES PARK BUT THE
INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD HAVE COST US MORE.
THE DEAL WAS BROKEN TO BRING EVERYTHING FOR EVERYONE IN EAST
TAMPA.
I HOPE ALL THE CHILDREN, NOT JUST CHILDREN AROUND FAIR OAKS
BUT ALL THE CHILDREN IN EAST TAMPA HAD THEIR CHANCE TO PUT
TWO CENTS IN AS WELL.
WHAT I'M SEEING, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
WHAT I'M SEEING, KIDS IN JUST THAT ONE AREA WAS AT THAT
MEETING.
NOT ALL THE KIDS FROM DIFFERENT OTHER PARKS IN EAST TAMPA
AND NOT ALL THE COMMUNITIES, THE ONES, THE SENIORS, NOT ALL
OTHER COMMUNITIES WERE AT THESE BECAUSE NOBODY UNDERSTAND.
BUT THAT CAN IS DOWN THE ROAD NOW.

WE DON'T NEED NO MORE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS.
WE DON'T NEED NO MORE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS.
ALL WE NEED NOW IS KEEP MOVING FORWARD TO THAT DAY TO START
BREAKING GROUND.
WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED.
GYMNASTICS FOR THE DANCE AND STEP.
THAT SENIOR CENTER.
JUMP ACROSS THE STREET, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO RECONSTRUCT IT
FOR THE BALL FIELDS AND WHATEVER, IN THAT CENTER, WHATEVER.
BUT PRETTY MUCH.
I THINK IT'S BEEN TOLD WHAT NEEDS TO BE IN THE COMMUNITY SO
THEY CAN THRIVE.
I APPRECIATE THE WORK, BUT NOW IT'S TIME TO START PUTTING
THAT BRICK AND MORTAR UP.
3:11:25PM >>SHERISHA HILLS:
WE DO HAVE ONE MORE COMMUNITY MEETING BUT
THAT IS TO GIVE THEM THE 100% BECAUSE WE TOLD THEM WE WOULD
COME BACK WITH IT.
3:11:32PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I GET IT.
ALL RIGHT.
3:11:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:11:35PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I GOT TO FOLLOW THAT.
I'M GOING TO REMINISCE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE OLD CUSCADEN
PARK.
IT WAS DIFFERENT THEN.
YOU HAD INDIVIDUALS WORKING FOR THE CITY THAT WERE THE PARK

DIRECTORS IN SPORTS AT THE PARK.
WAY BEYOND YOUR TIME.
ANDREW WITH THE GUYS AND MS. MEXICO WITH THE GIRLS.
WE NEVER SAW THE GIRLS BECAUSE THEY WERE ON THE OTHER SIDE
OF THE PARK, BEYOND THE SWIMMING POOL AND WE WERE ON THE
NORTH SIDE OF THE POOL.
AND HE HAD TO TEACH US FOOTBALL, BASEBALL, WHATEVER WE
WANTED HE HAD TO TEACH US.
ONLY ONE PROBLEM, IT WAS ONLY GOOD IN ONE AREA, AND THAT WAS
BASEBALL.
THEREFORE, MOST OF US NEVER WENT AND PRACTICED BASKETBALL,
NO THAT THE WE WEREN'T LOOKING FOR IT AND THEN BIT THE BOYS
CLUB IN THE EARLY '50s.
AND MR. MURPHY, THE FIRST SEVEN FOOTER TO PLAY PROFESSIONAL
BASKETBALL AND HE WAS THE DIRECTOR OF THAT AREA AND ALL OF
US WENT BACK TO CUSCADEN PARK AND ALL OF US WENT BACK TO THE
BOYS CLUB ON THE SAME TRACT OF LAND REALLY.
BUT DOING THAT, IT WAS NOTHING ABOUT, WE HAD THREE THINGS.
SEESAW, ONE ON EACH SIDE.
FOUR PEOPLE COULD DO IT AND THAT WAS IT.
THEN -- YOU PUSHED IT, JUMPED ON IT, WENT AROUND IT YOURSELF
AND A SLIDE.
IF YOU DON'T WATCH IT, YOU LOSE YOUR PANTS BECAUSE HALFWAY
CRACKED.
EVERYBODY WAS HAPPY.

EVERYBODY HAD A PLACE TO GO BEFORE SCHOOL AND AFTER SCHOOL
AND ON WEEKENDS.
IT TURNED OUT INDIVIDUALS THAT BECAME DOCTORS, LAWYERS, ALL
KIND OF GOOD THINGS.
AND IT'S NOT WHAT YOU SPEND.
IT'S WHAT THE KIDS LEAVE WHEN THEY LEAVE THE PARK, ABOUT THE
UP FEELING ABOUT LIFE.
AND MOST OF US COULDN'T BUY AN ICE-CREAM CONE FOR TEN CENTS.
SOMEBODY GAVE YOU THE TEN CENTS TO HAVE AN ICE-CREAM CONE.
SO IT WAS JUST A FEELING.
TALK TO US ABOUT RIGHT AND WRONG.
IT TAUGHT US -- IT OPENED YOUR EYES ABOUT THE WORLD YOU
MIGHT NOT HAVE KNOWN BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING.
IT TAUGHT US ABOUT GETTING ALONG WITH ONE ANOTHER.
IT TAUGHT US A LOT MORE THAN JUST SPORTS.
SO I HOPE THAT THIS IS THE SAME THING, CALL IT CUSCADEN PARK
2 BUT MUCH MORE AMENITIES.
I DON'T THINK NONE OF US WOULD HAVE MADE IT IN WHAT YOU CALL
THE OLYMPIC STYLE, THE BOARD, THE SWINGS, AND THE JUMPING OF
THE TWO BY TWO BOARD, THAT WE WOULD HAVE NEVER DONE BECAUSE
NONE OF US WERE THAT TALENTED AT THAT SPORT.
BUT IT GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A YOUNG PERSON TO DO
SOMETHING WITH THEIR LIFE THAT THEY'LL ALWAYS REMEMBER.
ALWAYS REMEMBER.
SAME 12 KIDS I PLAYED WITH STILL REMEMBER EACH OTHER, STILL

CALL EACH OTHER, AND THAT WAS 70 YEARS AGO.
SO THAT MAKES ME 68.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU IS THAT THESE ARE THE THINGS
THAT YOU GROW UP WITH.
THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT CARRY YOU THROUGH LIFE, NOT ONLY
WHERE YOU COME FROM, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE AROUND YOU THAT
YOU SEE THEM WILLING TO TRY SOMETHING TO LEARN TO BE A
BETTER PERSON AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.
IT'S ABOUT GIVING SOME KIDS THE ADVANTAGE THAT THEY NEVER
HAD BEFORE AND GIVING AN ADVANCE ON LIFE TO BE EQUAL WITH
THE REST OF US.
THAT'S WHY I SUPPORT THE PROJECT.
THANK YOU.
3:15:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
COMMENTS?
COUNCILMAN GUDES, DOES THIS REPORT SATISFY YOU?
3:15:16PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, SIR.
3:15:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU ALL.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
3:15:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
QUICK QUESTION.
WILL WE GET A REPORT BEFORE AUGUST?
WILL WE GET AN UPDATE BEFORE AUGUST?
ON THIS?
3:15:33PM >>SHERISHA HILLS:
ON THIS, NO.

RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE GOING THROUGH DESIGN TO GET US TO THAT
100 PERCENT.
SO THIS IS THEIR TIME TO TAKE ALL THE FEEDBACK FROM THE
MEETINGS AND THEN GET US TO 100% BY AUGUST.
THAT WILL BE OUR NEXT UPDATE.
3:15:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WILL WE HAVE A CHANCE TO SEE THIS BEFORE IT
GOES TO THE PUBLIC?
3:15:54PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
3:15:55PM >>OCEA WYNN:
I DON'T THINK THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
3:15:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GREAT.
I THINK WE ALL NEED TO BE PREPARED.
THANK YOU.
3:16:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE MORE, NUMBER 95.
FILE CM 22-76982.
3:16:20PM >> JUSTIN VASKE, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
WITH REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER 95 ON THE AGENDA.
JUST A REMINDER, CITY COUNCIL HAD A MOTION, REQUESTED THAT
LEGAL STAFF PRESENT A DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT WOULD REQUIRE
CONTRACTS OVER $20 MILLION TO BE DISCUSSED ON THE AGENDA TWO
WEEKS BEFORE THE VOTE TO APPROVE THE CONTRACT.
I PROVIDED COUNCIL WITH A DRAFT ORDINANCE AND I'M HERE TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
3:16:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:16:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS IS THE THIRD TIME I GET TO SAY THANK
YOU TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TODAY.

SOMETHING WE REQUESTED AND THE STAFFING IN GOOD FAITH TODAY
HAD THE SECOND READING OF AN ITEM THEY WEREN'T EVEN REQUIRED
TO DO AND IT WENT FINE.
THIS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO WITH REAL ESTATE ITEMS.
IT BRINGS IT BACK FOR A SECOND READING.
WHAT I WOULD MAYBE SUGGEST IS FOR THE SECOND TIME IT COMES
BACK, SOMEBODY PUT SECOND READING ON IT IN THE HEADER SO
THAT IF I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION, I CAN.
BUT IF WE PUT SECOND READING, THEN IT'S CLEAR THAT IT'S
COMING UP THE SECOND TIME SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONFUSION
FROM SOMEBODY WHO THINKS, HERE WE GO AGAIN, ANOTHER 70
MILLION.
JUST ASKED FOR 70 MILLION TWO WEEKS AGO.
I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT.
CAN WE MAKE A MOTION FOR THE ORDINANCE TODAY OR NEED TO HAVE
IT SCHEDULED TO COME BACK.
3:17:37PM >>JUSTIN VASKE:
WE'LL SCHEDULE FOR MAY 4th.
3:17:39PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SCHEDULED ALREADY OR NEED TO DO IT.
3:17:41PM >>JUSTIN VASKE:
I THINK WE NEED A MOTION TO SCHEDULE FOR MAY
4th.
3:17:44PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I MAKE A MOTION TO BRING BACK FOR FIRST
READING ON MAY 4th.
3:17:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
3:17:55PM >>JUSTIN VASKE:
THANK YOU.
3:17:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I BELIEVE THAT CLEARS OFF OUR AGENDA.
INFORMATION AND REPORTS.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:18:11PM >>BILL CARLSON:
A SMALL ONE FIRST.
TOO BAD VIERA IS NOT HERE.
IN MARCH, WE HAD AN EXTRA THURSDAY, SO WE WERE OFF, BUT THEN
WE WORKED THE WEEK OF SPRING BREAK.
I WOULD JUST ASK -- I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT IN
THE 2024 CALENDAR WE REPLACE -- I HAD THE DATE DOWN -- RIGHT
NOW, THERE'S ALSO LEAP YEAR, FEBRUARY 29th THAT WE COULD
ADD BACK IN.
I FORGOT THE DATE -- I FORGOT TO WRITE DOWN THE DATE OF
SPRING BREAK.
THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOLS SPRING BREAK IS LIKE MARCH
18 OR SOMETHING.
I WOULD JUST ASK THAT WE EITHER MOVE THAT DATE TO FEBRUARY
29 OR THAT WE MOVE EVERYTHING ELSE UP.
WE'RE NOW A YEAR OUT, SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT WITHOUT
ANY PROBLEMS.
YOU FOLLOW ME?
MY MOTION IS FROM HERE ON OUT, REPLACE THE THURSDAY THAT
FALLS WITHIN THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOLS SPRING BREAK

CALENDAR WITH ANOTHER THURSDAY THAT'S OPEN.
3:19:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
3:19:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THERE IS NO FIFTH WEEK.
3:19:39PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THERE IS FEBRUARY 29.
3:19:42PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHAT YOU'LL HAVE THEN IS YOU'LL HAVE --
THERE IS A FIFTH WEEK IN FEBRUARY.
WHAT YOU'LL HAVE IS YOU'LL HAVE THREE MEETINGS IN FEBRUARY
AND ONE MEETING IN MARCH.
DID I HEAR THAT CORRECT?
3:19:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU'LL HAVE FIVE MEETINGS IN FEBRUARY AND
THREE MEETINGS IN MARCH.
3:20:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I'M TALKING ABOUT REGULAR MEETINGS.
THE FIRST, THE THIRD, AND THE FIFTH FRIDAY.
-- THURSDAY.
3:20:10PM >>THE CLERK:
[INAUDIBLE]
3:20:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WAIVE THE RULES FOR THAT.
3:20:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T KNOW WHAT GENERIC RULE THAT WOULD
COVER IT EVERY YEAR.
THE IDEA IS THAT WE WOULD SHIFT THE DATES TO A FIFTH
THURSDAY INSTEAD OF MEETING DURING THE THURSDAY THAT'S IN
SPRING BREAK.
FIRST OF ALL, FOR OUR OWN SCHEDULES BUT ALSO STAFF HAVE KIDS
AND THE PUBLIC HAS KIDS.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF ACCESSIBILITY ISSUES, AND IT DOESN'T
COVER ALL THE PRIVATE SCHOOLS THAT MIGHT HAVE IT OR

UNIVERSITIES THAT MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT TIME, BUT IF WE
FOLLOW HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOLS, I WAS THINKING BESIDES
MYSELF, WHATEVER STAFF MEMBERS HAVE, ALL THE STAFF HAVE TO
BE HERE.
IF THEY HAVE KIDS, THEN THEY ARE FORCED TO WORK THAT WEEK,
TOO.
3:21:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHY DON'T WE HAVE SOMEONE LOOK AT IT AND COME
BACK TO US WITH A PLAN.
3:21:06PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE INTENTION, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, IS THAT
COUNCIL NOT MEET ON THE WEEK THAT HILLSBOROUGH SCHOOLS HAVE
SPRING BREAK.
3:21:17PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD ASK STAFF TO COME BACK, WHAT IS OUR
NEXT REGULAR MEETING?
3:21:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT IS A BIG DAY.
3:21:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD ASK STAFF TO COME BACK ON MAY 4th
TO REPORT ON THE POSSIBILITY OF REPLACING THE THURSDAY WHICH
FALLS EACH YEAR DURING THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOL SPRING
BREAK WITH AN ALTERNATE THURSDAY.
3:21:46PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MAY I MAKE A SUGGESTION?
CONSIDER THE 18th OF MAY BECAUSE THAT WILL BE -- MAY 4th
--
3:21:55PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MAY 18th.
3:21:57PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE 4th WILL BE THE FIRST MEETING AND
GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO LEARN ABOUT THAT AND PREPARE
FOR THE 18th.

3:22:08PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MAY 18.
3:22:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
3:22:17PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK
STAFF TO RETURN ON MAY 18th WITH ANY IDEAS REGARDING A
RESOLUTION OR ORDINANCE TO REQUIRE THAT CITY STAFF USE GOVQA
TO MAKE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS.
MOTION TO HAVE STAFF COME BACK ON MAY 18th TO DISCUSS THE
POSSIBILITY OF AN ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION TO REQUIRE THAT
CITY STAFF USE GOV-QA WHEN MAKING PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS.
3:22:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
3:22:56PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE IDEA HERE IS THAT -- I KNOW CHIEF OF
STAFF AND MAYBE OTHERS, WHEN I'VE NEEDED INFORMATION HAVE
SAID, WELL, INSTEAD OF FILING AN OFFICIAL PUBLIC RECORDS
REQUEST, WHY DON'T YOU GO THROUGH US.
THERE'S NO DISCLOSURE TO THE PUBLIC THAT THAT'S BEEN DONE.
SO I'VE STARTED MAKING ALL MINE THROUGH GOV QA SO IT IS
TRANSPARENT TO THE PUBLIC.
IN THE MAILERS DONE AGAINST ME AS AN EXAMPLE, THERE WERE
COPIES OF MY DISCLOSURE FORMS BUT I PULLED PUBLIC RECORDS ON
PEOPLE WHO PULL PUBLIC RECORDS ON MY DISCLOSURE FORMS AND
THERE WAS ONLY ONE PUBLIC RECORDS SEARCH TWO YEARS AGO AND

NONE OF THEM WERE UPDATED.
SOMEHOW, SOMEBODY GOT THE INFORMATION WITHOUT A PUBLIC
RECORDS REQUEST.
IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT POLITICS.
IT'S JUST ABOUT BEING TRANSPARENT TO THE PUBLIC.
WHAT LEGAL MAY DO IS SAY, WELL, IF SOMEBODY IS TRYING TO
PULL INFORMATION DIRECTLY RELATED TO THEIR JOB, THAT'S FINE.
BUT IF SOMEBODY IS PULLING CITY COUNCIL E-MAILS OR
PULLING -- IF A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER WANTS TO PULL THE
MAYOR'S E-MAILS, THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT
SURREPTITIOUSLY, WE SHOULD DO IT WITH FULL DISCLOSURE TO THE
PUBLIC IS MY REQUEST.
3:24:09PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I REALLY DON'T CARE WHAT THEY SAY BECAUSE
I CAN PROVE, I'M SURE YOU COULD ALSO WHEN RUNNING FOR
OFFICE, THEY CAN SAY ANYTHING THEY WANT LIKE THEY HAVE DONE
THE LAST TWO WEEKS.
ONE IOTA WHAT EVERYONE SAYS.
DARK MONEY, GRAY MONEY, WHATEVER IT IS.
THERE'S NO TRACE OF THAT.
IT'S HARD TO FIND.
I TRACED IT DOWN.
WHAT AM I DOING?
I'M NOT GOING TO CHASE THAT.
CHASE MY OWN FEELING OF WHAT I NEED TO DO TO GET REELECTED.
I'M NOT GOING TO BOTHER WITH SOMEBODY SAYING HALF-TRUTH, ONE

WORD AND THEY LEAVE OUT THE REST OF THE PARAGRAPH.
THAT'S WHAT IS HAPPENING.
THAT IS THE POLITICAL GAME.
I DON'T PLAY IT.
I'M SURE YOU DON'T EITHER.
THEY CAN SAY WHATEVER THEY WANT ABOUT CHARLIE MIRANDA OR
PICK IT UP WHATEVER THEY WANT.
NOT AFRAID OF THAT.
3:24:58PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MAYBE I GAVE A BAD EXAMPLE.
IF ONE OF US WANTS TO PULL INFORMATION ABOUT SOMETHING,
LET'S SAY ONE OF US WANTED TO PULL THE MAYOR'S TRAVEL
SCHEDULE, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE TO CLOSE TO THAT PUBLICLY.
THAT'S MY POINT.
THIS IS ABOUT PUBLIC DISCLOSURE.
IF I WANTED TO FIND OUT THE E-MAILS TO AND FROM LEGAL
DEPARTMENT REGARDING ONE OF THE MOTIONS TODAY, I THINK I
SHOULD HAVE TO FILE -- I THINK I SHOULD HAVE TO DISCLOSE TO
THE PUBLIC THAT I REQUESTED THAT.
I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE DONE THROUGH BACK CHANNELS.
MY POINT IS THAT WHATEVER REQUEST PEOPLE MAKE NOT DIRECTLY
RELATED TO THEIR JOB SHOULD BE PUBLICLY DISCLOSED.
3:25:40PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL.
BECAUSE I DON'T PULL ANY.
3:25:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY.
3:25:47PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU RAISE AN INTERESTING QUESTION THAT I

DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO.
THERE IS AN ASSUMPTION THERE THAT THE PUBLIC HAS ACCESS TO
THE LISTING OF ALL THE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS THAT ARE
MADE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NECESSARILY THE CASE.
3:25:59PM >>BILL CARLSON:
LET'S HAVE FOLKS COME BACK ON MAY 18 AND
WE'LL DISCUSS IT.
3:26:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT WILL BE FINE.
3:26:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DROPPING YOUR MOTION --
3:26:06PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO, NO.
3:26:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
FROM HURTAK.
EXCUSE ME, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
3:26:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NOTHING.
3:26:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOTHING.
3:26:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
3:26:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I HAVE ONE, A GENTLEMAN NAMED DAVID FACEL
SENT ME AN E-MAIL REGARDING WATER.
HE SAYS WATER IN TAMPA BAY IS PRECIOUS TO ALL OF US.
THE LACK OF RAIN, WE SHOULD BE CUTTING BACK ON USAGE UNTIL

THE RAINY SEASON KICKS IN.
WATER RESTRICTIONS HOPEFULLY ON THE TABLE TO TALK ABOUT.
THE PUBLIC SHOULD START CUTTING BACK ON WATER USAGE UNTIL
THE RAINY SEASON KICKS IN.
THIS IS VERY TRUE.
I NEVER MET THE GENTLEMAN, BUT I THINK HE'S SAYING SOMETHING
FROM THE HEART AND I WOULD LIKE THE WATER DEPARTMENT TO COME
IN IN THE NEXT, MAY 18th I THINK WOULD BE A GOOD ONE,
REGARDING WHAT THE STATEMENTS I MADE HERE.
I'LL TURN THIS IN AS A REQUEST SO THEY CAN EXPLAIN WHAT'S
GOING ON, AND HOW THEY COMMUNICATE WITH THE GENERAL PUBLIC
ON THE WATERING DAYS AND SO FORTH.
I STILL HAVE I BELIEVE THE WATER PATROL WHO GOES OUT AND
MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE WATERING ON THEIR DAY AND NOT SOMEBODY
ELSE'S DAY.
THEY CAN EXPLAIN IT BETTER THAN I CAN.
I WOULD APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH IF THE COUNCIL WOULD APPROVE
THAT.
3:27:36PM >> SECOND.
3:27:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
3:27:47PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I NEED THAT GENTLEMAN'S E-MAIL SO I CAN

SEND HIM I NOTE THAT I DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT SO HE CAN BE
HERE IF HE WOULD LIKE.
3:27:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I MOVE TO PRESENT A COMMENDATION TO THE RADIO SHOW, WHAT'S
REALLY HAPPENING.
THEY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY FOR SIX YEARS,
GETTING IMPORTANT INFORMATION CONCERNING THE CITY AND THE
COUNTY TO RAISE AND FOR RAISING MONEY FOR ORGANIZATIONS THAT
MAY HAVE BEEN VERY OUTSPOKEN AGAINST GUN VIOLENCE AND
SUPPORTING OTHER CHURCHES EVENTS.
3:28:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM THE CHAIRMAN.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
3:28:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT'S OFF-SITE.
3:28:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO THAT WILL BE NEXT TUESDAY.
WE DISCUSSED THAT.
ONLY FOUR PRESENTATIONS NEXT TUESDAY, AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE
ONLY FIVE THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO PRESENT.
3:28:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
3:28:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SO YOU'RE GOING TO ADD THAT TO THE AGENDA
FOR THE COMMENDATIONS?
3:28:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE'LL HAVE A WALK-ON THEN.
FOR TUESDAY, THE 11th.

THANK YOU.
3:28:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
3:28:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN --
3:28:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY.
3:28:59PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
REGARDING THE CALENDAR, COUNCIL, JUST A
REMINDER, AS YOU BROUGHT IT UP, COUNCIL HAS ITS LAST
COMMENDATION DAY, IT'S ALREADY BEEN NOTICED AND IT'S BEEN AN
AGENDA PREPARED, THAT IS THIS COMING TUESDAY.
A REMINDER FOR COUNCIL THAT YOU DO HAVE COMMENDATIONS FOR
THE ATU, THE POLICE OFFICER OF THE MONTH, THE FIREFIGHTER OF
THE QUARTER AND ANGELA ALDERMAN AND NOW WE HAVE THE FIFTH
ONE THAT YOU HAVE ADDED.
BUT I'D LIKE COUNCIL AT THIS POINT IN TIME TO MAKE A MOTION
TO REMOVE THE REMAINING TUESDAY COMMENDATION DAYS FOR THE
REST OF THE CALENDAR BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE THOSE NOW
SCHEDULED FOR THE REGULAR MEETINGS.
3:29:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO MOVED.
3:29:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
IS THERE ANY OPPOSED?
3:29:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
3:29:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION CARRIES.
3:29:51PM >>THE CLERK:
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE

DOCUMENT --
3:29:55PM >> SO MOVED.
3:29:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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