CITY OF TAMPA CRA
THURSDAY, APRIL 13, 2023
9:00 A.M.

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[GAVEL SOUNDING]
09:03:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GOOD MORNING.
THE CITY OF TAMPA COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY MEETING IS
CALLED TO ORDER.
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON HAS THE INNOVATION TODAY.
09:03:56AM >>BILL CARLSON:
GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY.
ONE OF THE CHURCHES I GO TO IS HYDE PARK UNITED METHODIST.
YOU MAY KNOW THAT CHURCHES AROUND THE COUNTRY AND AROUND THE
WORLD HAVE BEEN SHRINKING, BUT HYDE PARK METHODIST CHURCH HAS
BEEN GROWING.
SOME OTHER METHODIST CHURCHES HAVE NOT.
THE FIRST FEW YEARS AGO, THERE WAS THE FIRST METHODIST CHURCH
DOWNTOWN, A BEAUTIFUL MID-CENTURY BUILDING.
JENNA WINE WAS THE ARCHITECT.
THAT BUILDING WAS HANDED OVER TO THE HYDE PARK METHODIST
CHURCH AND BEEN TAKEN DOWN AT THE TIME AND SOLD OFF
FOR SOME KIND OF DEVELOPMENT, BUT THE MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH
DECIDED TO TURN IT INTO A SOCIAL ENTERPRISE, AND THE PERSON
IS JUSTIN DEROSA THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS.
REVEREND JUSTIN DEROSA IS A MINISTER, A LICENSE CLINICAL WORKER,
A PRACTITIONER, AUTHOR, AND SPIRITUAL ENTREPRENEUR WHO LEADS
CHANGE.
HE IS DIRECTOR AND MINISTER OF THE PORTICO, THE OPERATION OF THE
OLD CHURCH'S CUTTING-EDGE INITIATIVE IN THE OLDEST CHURCH THAT
BECAME THE PORTICO.
IT WAS A SOCIAL ENTERPRISE CAFE, CHAPEL, PLACES TO MEET AND
WORK FOR THE PUBLIC AND UNCONVENTIONAL CHURCH THAT HELPS WITH
HOUSING, SECURITY AND ECONOMIC CHALLENGE.
HE IS ONE OF FOUNDERS OF PORTICO HOUSING SOLUTIONS, INC. AND
A PART-TIME PRACTICE.
AND WE WILL STAND, AND JUSTIN WILL DO THE INVOCATION, AND WE
WILL SAY THE PLEDGE.
09:05:32AM >> THANK YOU AND LET'S PRAY.
GOD OF MANY NAMES, WE GATHER IN YOUR PRESENCE CENTERING
OURSELVES ON YOUR GOODNESS.
WE GATHER WITH OPEN MINDS AND GRATEFUL HEARTS AND OFFER
THANKS FOR THIS CITY AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE.
THANK YOU FOR THE ENGAGED CITIZENS WHO ARE HERE, THE CITY
COUNCIL, THE AIDES, ALL THE CITY EMPLOYEES WHO WORK BEHIND
THE SCENES TO MAKE TAMPA FUNCTION, THRIVE, AND GROW.
GIVE THEM WISDOM AND HUMILITY IN SERVING.
WE PRAY FOR THE DOWNTOWN WORKERS AND PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE A
PLACE TO LAY THEIR HEAD.
WE PRAY FOR THE CITIZENS WHO WILL ADVOCATE AND INVEST THEIR
TIME AND TALENT TO BUILD IN INCLUSIVE AND DIVERSE CITY AND
DEAL WITH THE MANY ISSUES BEFORE US THAT RELATE TO GROWTH
AND POVERTY.
THE HEBREW SCRIPTURES SEEK THE WELFARE OF THE CITY AND NEW
TESTAMENT REMIND US OVER AND OVER AGAIN NOT TO FORGET THE
NEEDS OF THE POOR.
THEY ARE BEFORE US.
KEEP US MINDFUL OF THE PEOPLE AND FAMILIES SPENDING HALF OF
THEIR WAGES ON HOUSING AND EMPOWER THIS TEAM OF AMAZING
PEOPLE TO CONSTRUCT A CITY THAT BUILDS ON OUR MANY STRENGTHS
AND TAKES CARE OF ALL OF ITS RESIDENTS.
WE ASK THAT YOU PROCEED ASTUTE DISCERNMENT AND CLARITY AND
DIRECTION TO EACH COUNCILMEMBERS FOR THE MANY ISSUES ON THE
AGENDA AND ALLOW THEM TO BE RESPECTFUL AMIDST DECISION
AGREEMENT AND UNITE US IN THE PEOPLE YOU CALLED US TO BE.
AND I CALL THESE THINGS IN THE NAME OF JESUS, AMEN.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:07:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
09:07:18AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE THING -- JUSTIN -- HE TOOK OFF.
ONE MORE THING ABOUT THE PORTICO REAL FAST.
ONE OF THE NONPROFITS THAT LEASES FROM THEM IS LOVE, INC.
THAT HELPS HOMELESS PEOPLE.
A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, SOMEONE I KNEW WAS A DAY OR TWO AWAY
FROM BEING HOMELESS, AND GOT IN TOUCH WITH LOVE, INC.
BECAUSE INVOLVED WITH THE PORTICO AND JUSTICE.
HE FOUND ME AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT SUPPORTED THIS PERSON AND
WE DID A GO FUND ME CAMPAIGN TO HELP THE PERSON FIND
AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND IT SHOWS THE -- THE POWER OF CONNECTIVITY AND THE POWER
OF NONPROFITS THAT HELP PEOPLE, BUT THAT IS ONE STORY --
MISS CONNIE BURTON IS IN THE AUDIENCE AND OTHERS WHO TALK
ABOUT THESE ISSUES EVERY WEEK.
THE PERSON I KNEW WAS HOMELESS HAD A HEALTH ISSUE AND
COULDN'T WORK ANYMORE.
WE ARE A HEALTH ISSUE AWAY FROM BEING HOMELESS.
I ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO GET INVOLVED IN NONPROFITS TO HELP ALL
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DROPPING THROUGH THE CRACKS AND END UP
POTENTIALLY IN A HOMELESS SITUATION LIKE THAT.
09:08:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
ROLL CALL PLEASE.
09:08:26AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
09:08:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
09:08:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE.
09:08:30AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
09:08:31AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
09:08:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
09:08:34AM >>CLERK:
YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:08:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
MR. MASSEY, I DON'T BELIEVE WE NEED TO DO THIS ANYMORE.
09:08:41AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
NO, YOU DON'T.
YOUR BYLAWS ARE THE SAME AS CITY COUNCIL'S BYLAWS.
TO ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT VIA CMT OR VIRTUALLY, WE DON'T HAVE
TO DO A MOTION ANYMORE.
09:08:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WONDERFUL.
I WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK.
LOOK AT THE AGENDA TODAY.
09:09:00AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
BEFORE WE GO TO THE AGENDA, APPROVE THE
MINUTES.
09:09:03AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
A MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER GUDES.
SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBER CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR.
OKAY.
MOTION PASSES.
09:09:15AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
GOOD MORNING, BOARD MEMBERS.
NICOLE TRAVIS, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AND INTERIM
DIRECTOR.
FOR THE AGENDA.
WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE ITEMS FIVE, SIX AND TEN TOGETHER WHEN
THE TIME ALLOWS.
A CONTINUANCE REQUEST FOR ITEMS SEVEN, EIGHT AND NINE TO MAY
11, 2023 CRA MEETING PLEASE.
09:09:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO MOVED.
09:09:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
A MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
09:09:49AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
THAT'S IT FOR YOUR AGENDA, MA'AM.
09:09:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
A MOTION APPROVE THE AGENDA A MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER GUDES.
SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR.
ANY OPPOSED?
OKAY.
MOTION PASSES.
OKAY.
MR. MURPHY.
SORRY, PUBLIC COMMENT.
APOLOGIES.
SO IF ANYONE WANTS TO SPEAK TODAY, PLEASE COME UP.
YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
IF YOU WANT TO FORM A LINE.
ANYONE THIS MORNING?
09:10:30AM >> GOOD MORNING.
09:10:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GOOD MORNING.
09:10:32AM >> HAPPY THURSDAY.
I AM SALLY LEE WITH THE VOLUNTEER MISSION PENNY FUND.
AND MY HELP COMES FROM GOD ABOVE, AND THE SCRIPTURE SAYS IF
YOUR BODY -- IF YOU HAVE SUPPORT, YOU ARE LENDED TO THE LORD
AND HE WILL REPAY YOU.
ALSO I GOT A TELEPHONE CALL -- I CALLED ALL OF YOUR
SECRETARIES YESTERDAY.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, YOUR SECRETARY SET A MEET UP FOR US
ON MONDAY AT 9:00 AT THE CENTER.
AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU CAN STILL BE ABLE TO MAKE IT.
LISA EDWARDS.
09:11:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I AM CHECKING TO SEE IF SHE PUT IT ON
THE CALENDAR.
HE WILL MAKE SURE TO GET THERE.
09:11:26AM >> MONDAY AT 9:
00.
DO I NEED TO LEAVE MY PHONE NUMBER OR ANYTHING?
09:11:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AFTER YOU SPEAK I WILL MEET YOU OUTSIDE
AND GET THE DETAILS AND PUT IT ON THE CALENDAR.
09:11:38AM >> THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING CONSIDERATE FOR THE VOLUNTEERS
AND EVERYBODY, AGENCIES, AND YOU ALL, PLEASE GIVE US
CONSIDERATION FOR FUNDING IN WHAT WE NEED.
THANK YOU.
09:11:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
09:11:51AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
AILEEN HENDERSON.
904 WEST FRIDLEY STREET.
I REALIZE THIS IS A CRA MEETING, BUT WHAT I HAVE TO SAY IS
RELEVANT TO TODAY'S MEETING AND ALL PUBLIC MEETINGS.
I WANT TO SHARE MY SINCERE GRATITUDE FOR HAVING A PLATFORM
FOR CITIZENS TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES.
MOST IF NOT ALL OF US APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE
THOUGHTS, IDEAS AND COMMENTS.
WITH THAT SAID, THERE IS MUCH VALUE TO BE HAD IN THE PUBLIC
COMMENT PORTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS.
THAT VALUE LIES IN THE RECORDING OF HISTORY.
THAT SAME HISTORY THAT ALLOWED US TO SEARCH TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES DURING THE SAVE WOODLAWN CEMETERY
CAMPAIGN AND FIND AUGUST 17, 1900, A SECTION FOR BLACK
BURIALS WERE COMMISSIONED.
PUBLIC COMMENTS DO BECOME PUBLIC RECORD.
ACUTELY AWARE THAT CITY COUNCIL CANNOT ASSIST WITH MEMORIAL
PARK CEMETERY, THE REALITY IS, WHAT WE ARE DOING IS MAKING
SURE THAT FUTURE GENERATIONS KNOW COMMUNITY MEMBERS STOOD
BEFORE CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTING HUNDREDS WITH FAMILIES
BURIED THERE INCLUDING THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS THAT HAVE NO
VOICE.
FOR PROSPERITY SAKE, WE ARE MAKING SURE THAT FOR THE RECORD,
THOSE WHO COME AFTER US WILL KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO CARE
ENOUGH ABOUT TAMPA'S BLACK HISTORY TO MAKE A POINT TO STAND
UP EVERY CHANCE WE GET.
ALL THE VOICES OF SUPPORT BROUGHT MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY
INTO THE SPOTLIGHT, FORCING ACTION TO TAKE PLACE, TO SECURE
IT AND ADD IT TO THE CURRENT REPERTOIRE OF TAMPA'S ALL-WHITE
HISTORICAL CEMETERIES.
ITS SIGNIFICANT VALUE SHOULD BE HELD WITH HIGH ESTEEM AS A
HISTORICAL BLACK CEMETERY WITH THE ONLY BLACK VETERANS
MONUMENT WITH OVER 850 VETERANS BURIED THERE.
SO PLEASE KNOW WE GET IT.
YOU CAN'T HELP THE CEMETERY.
THIS HISTORICAL BLACK CEMETERY IS PROTECTED FROM
DEVELOPMENT.
WE GET IT.
THAT IS NOT WHY WE ARE HERE.
WE ARE HERE BECAUSE THIS IS HISTORY IN THE MAKING.
AND WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED.
SAVE MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY.
09:14:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
BOARD MEMBER GUDES.
09:14:10AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MASSEY, I KNOW THIS MORNING WE ARE
MEETING AT A CRA, BUT CAN THIS BOARD REFER TO CITY COUNCIL TO
SEE HOW MEMORIAL PARK THE CRITERIA FOR MAKING IT A
HISTORICAL SITE?
09:14:27AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, YOU ARE -- YOU CAN'T
REALLY DO THAT IN THE CAPACITY OF THE CRA.
ANYTHING THAT -- I THINK WHAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR MEMORIAL
ABOUT CEMETERY TO BE LANDMARKED.
THAT IS DONE THROUGH THE CITY'S HISTORIC PROGRAM.
CITY COUNCIL TONIGHT, IF YOU CAN ASK A MOTION TO HAVE MR.
FERNANDEZ AND HIS STAFF TO REPORT BACK WHETHER THAT IS PART
OF HIS PROGRAM OR WHETHER THEY CAN ADD THAT TO THEIR PROGRAM
TO STUDY THE POTENTIAL OF LANDMARK -- THAT AS A HISTORICAL
LANDMARK.
09:15:06AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MISS TRAVIS, YOU ARE GETTING UP.
09:15:09AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
GOOD MORNING, AGAIN, NICOLE TRAVIS,
DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
IT IS ALREADY IN MY PORTFOLIO AND DENNIS FERNANDEZ IS
ALREADY WORKING ON THAT.
09:15:23AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I DON'T NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TONIGHT.
09:15:26AM >> NO, SIR.
09:15:28AM >> I AM HALLE REED.
NEGOTIATIONS TO BUY BACK MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY.
ALEX ORTEGA WILL ASK FOR A HIGH PRICE AND DO EVERYTHING HE
CAN TO MAXIMIZE HIS PROFIT.
THE LAND THAT MEMORIAL CEMETERY SIT ON, A HISTORIC
CEMETERY.
ONE THAT HAS NOT BEEN FINANCIALLY VIABLE FOR 20 YEARS.
MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY IS FULL.
NO MORE PLOTS THIS CAN BE SOLD.
UNDERNEATH THE LARGE PATCHES OF GREEN ARE TIGHTLY PACKED
LANDMARK GRAVES.
LAST SUMMER, I MANAGED TO DOCUMENT 15,000 BURIALS.
WITH THE BURIALS I WAS ABLE TO COUNT, A LARGE GAP IN THE
RESEARCH I WAS ABLE TO DO.
SO THE TRUE NUMBER IS CLOSE TO 20,000.
THE FACT THAT MEMORIAL PARK IS FULL IS WHAT CAUSE IT TO FALL
INTO NEGLECT AND SEVERE DISREPAIR AND THE SITUATION WE ARE
IN TODAY.
WHEN ALEX ORTEGA BOUGHT MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY, HE SAID THE NEW
OWNERS WILL BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR ITS WELL BEING.
MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY IS IN NEED OF REPAIR AND RESTORATION
OF PUTTING A FENCE AROUND IT.
WITHOUT A FENCE, HOMELESS CAMPS LEAVING BEHIND TRASH,
DISCARDED BELONGINGS AND DAMAGED HEADSTONES BY CRACKING FOOD
AGAINST THEM.
I HAVE BEEN THERE A RATE OF ONCE A MONTH.
CHICKENS ARE SACRIFICED AT NIGHT AND LEFT THERE TO ROT.
I SMELLED THE LATEST CHICKEN BEFORE I SAW IT.
ONE OF THE MOST URGENTLY NEEDED REPAIRS AT MEMORIAL IS
REPAIR TO THE VERY LARGE HOLE IN THE VAULT OF JONAS LEE
TILLMAN.
THE WOODEN CASKET IS CLEARLY VISIBLE TO ANYONE WHO LOOKS
DOWN IN THERE.
09:17:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST ONE MOMENT.
I.T., IF YOU CAN SHOW THAT IMAGE, PLEASE, FOR EVERYONE ON
THE ELMO.
THE HOLE HAD GOTTEN SIGNIFICANTLY LARGE SINCE I NOTICED IT
LAST YEAR.
IN ADDITION, TWO GAPING OPEN SINKHOLES WITH CONSTRUCTION
BARRICADES.
ALL IS MORE ALARMING KNOWING THAT MEMORIAL PARK HAS A
HISTORY OF BONE THEFT.
IN 2006, THE VAULT BELONGING TO SEVEN-YEAR-OLD STEVIE DALE
WAS WIDE OPEN AND REMAINS STOLEN.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE REMAINS WERE NEVER RECOVERED.
TWO OTHER ABOVEGROUND VAULTS THAT WERE SLABS PUSHED TO THE
SIDE WITH THE CONTENTS VISIBLE INSIDE.
NUMEROUS BROKEN AND TOPPLED OVER HEADSTONES SUCKING INTO THE
SOFT GROUND SO MUCH THAT THE NAME IS COVERED UP.
VAULTS WHY OVERGROWN THAT THE CONCRETE COVERING THEM ARE
BARELY VISIBLE.
MEMORIAL'S LOCATION ON MLK AND THE FACT THAT PEOPLE WALK
THROUGH IT DURING THE DAY THAT IT ACCUMULATES TRASH.
IF MEMORIAL WALLS OWNED BY THE CITY THE FUNERAL SOCIETY CAN
HAVE A GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS TO PICK THIS TRASH UP.
BECAUSE IT IS OWNED BY ORTEGA, HIS RESPONSIBILITY OF
REPAIRING THE BROKEN VAULT AND HEADSTONES.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS MR. ORTEGA PERSONALLY.
THE CITY OF TAMPA MADE A MISTAKE LOSING MEMORIAL AT OPTION
BUT DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO REMEDY THE MISTAKE.
BY REFUSING TO SELL MEMORIAL PARK AT A REASONABLY LOW PRICE
AND TRYING TO MAXIMIZE YOUR PROFIT ON TAMPA'S BLACK HISTORY
AND TRAUMA AND YOU ALIGN YOURSELF WITH SOME OF THE WORST
PEOPLE IN TAMPA HISTORY.
IS THIS REALLY WHAT YOU WANT YOUR LEGACY TO BE?
THANK YOU.
09:19:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU, BOARD MEMBER GUDES.
09:19:20AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. MASSEY --
[APPLAUSE]
-- HAVE WE SENT A LETTER TO THE NEW OWNERS WITH THE STATE
LAW CRITERIA MAKING SURE THAT THE CEMETERY IS UPKEEPED.
09:19:33AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
WE HAD ONE IN-PERSON MEETING AND, HE IS
AWARE THAT HE IS SUBJECT TO PRESERVATION OF STATE
CEMETERIES.
WE WILL HAVE FOLLOW-UP MEETINGS WITH HIM AND WILL EMPHASIZE
THAT FACT.
09:19:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES?
09:19:48AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
REGARDING COUNCILMAN -- BOARD MEMBER
GUDES.
MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE IT OFFICIALLY DONE.
I AM NOT SAYING IT WASN'T DONE.
I AM SURE IT WAS DONE.
BUT ON THE RECORD IF THIS EVER GOES TO COURT THAT WE ARE
PUTTING THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE OWNER OF THE CEMETERY.
I SECOND MR. GUDES' MOTION.
09:20:10AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MAKE IT HERE.
09:20:13AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
YOU CAN MAKE IT AS A CRA BOARD BUT MAKES
MORE SENSE AS A CITY OF TAMPA BOARD.
09:20:19AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
C.T., GET THAT READY.
09:20:24AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
I CAME BEFORE LAST WEEK TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON 48th STREET.
NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE.
THEY ARE USING THE RIGHT-OF-WAY TO WASH CARS.
NOT A COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
GO TO 2201.
OVER THERE THE DIRT BIKES UP AND DOWN 38th STREET.
CARS ON 48th STREET TAKEN 48 LIKE A RACETRACK.
AND IT IS SAD.
AND MR. GUDES, YOU CAME BY THE HOUSE LAST WEEK.
BUT I WAS HOME.
YOU COULD HAVE STOPPED AND LET ME KNOW SOMETHING.
BECAUSE WE TRY TO GET THIS NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE
THAT RENT, THEY DON'T CARE.
PEOPLE THAT OWN THEIR HOME LIKE ME HAVE TO PAY PROPERTY TAX.
AND IT IS NOT RIGHT!
EVERY YEAR, I HAVE TO PAY BY THE THOUSANDS ON PROPERTY TAX
AND LET THE RENTERS COME IN AND DO WHAT THEY WANT.
THEY NEED TO PUT SOME SPEED BUMPS.
THEY DON'T WANT TO PUT SPEED BUMPS, THEY NEED A THREE-WAY
STOP SIGN.
BECAUSE RIDICULOUS HOW THE CARS COME DOWN 48th.
AND THE DIRT BIKES ON THE WEEKEND, RACING BACK AND FORTH ON
48th STREET.
AND I HAVE BEEN TO -- I HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE 1981 AND I TRY
TO KEEP IT UP SO PEOPLE WITH A LANDLORD, THEY DON'T CARE.
AND I WISH YOU ALL WILL HELP US.
PLEASE, PLEASE, IF I HAVE TO KEEP COMING BACK.
PLEASE DO THAT FOR ME AND OTHER HOMEOWNERS.
09:22:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER GUDES.
09:22:25AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MY OFFICE DID SEND A MEMO TO THE
ADMINISTRATION.
I AM ONE PERSON.
I CAN GET IT TO THEM, BUT THEY HAVE TO ACT UPON IT.
I CAN TALK TO THEM UNTIL I AM BLUE IN THE FACE.
WE SENT ANOTHER MEMO TO THE ADMINISTRATION ASKING FOR CODE,
MOBILITY AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO GET OUT THERE TO
RE-EVALUATE.
YOU ARE RIGHT.
I KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE DOWN THERE.
C.T. CALLED ME AND I WENT THROUGH THERE.
AGAIN, WE ALREADY SENT THAT.
HOPEFULLY AGAIN, WE WILL SEND ANOTHER ONE.
MISS TRAVIS JUST GOT IT.
ANOTHER MEMO TO THE ADMINISTRATION TO SEND A TEAM OUT THERE
TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.
THAT IS ALL I CAN PROMISE YOU UNTIL I LEAVE IN A COUPLE OF
WEEKS.
BUT I WILL STILL BE COMING TO THE PODIUM IF THINGS ARE NOT
LOOKED INTO.
09:23:13AM >> I WANT TO ASK YOU, MR. GUDES, THERE ON -- ON 3201, THEY
ARE THE ONES THAT KEEP ALL THE COMMERCIAL ON GOING ON.
DIRT BIKE.
DIFFERENT GUYS GATHER TO THEIR HOUSE.
THE MOM DON'T CARE.
THEY HAVE THE CAR PARKED ALL THE WAY DOWN 48th STREET.
I WISH YOU WOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
09:23:37AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE WILL PUT THAT IN THE MEMO.
ALL RIGHT.
09:23:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MISS TRAVIS, IF YOU COULD POSSIBLY TALK TO
HER.
THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
THANK YOU.
09:23:46AM >> THANK YOU.
09:23:47AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
PLEASE, IF YOU HAVE A CELL PHONE, PLEASE
SILENCE IT IN CHAMBERS, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU.
09:23:54AM >> GOOD MORNING, CRA BOARD, CHAIR, BOARD MEMBERS, ALISON
HEWITT, EAST TAMPA RESIDENT.
I SENT AN E-MAIL TO YOU GUYS EARLY THIS MORNING AS WE GET TO
THE BUDGET SEASON.
I JUST WANTED TO BE ABLE TO POINT OUT THAT WE ARE, AGAIN,
ARE IN THE EAST TAMPA CRA TRYING TO MOVE THINGS FORWARD AND
GOING TO BE ROLLING OVER SOME DOLLARS.
MISS TRAVIS AND MR. ALIS DRUMGO HAS BEEN WORKING HARD TO
TURN THINGS AROUND AND MOVE THINGS FORWARD.
WE ARE HOPING THAT YOU AGREED WHEN THE CAC CAME BEFORE YOU
THAT YOU WILL PAY ATTENTION TO THE TYPE OF PROJECTS THAT
HAVE BEEN FUNDED AND THE LACK OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN
FUNDED.
I AM A CONSULTANT IN MY DAY-TO-DAY LIFE.
I LIVE AND DIE BY THE CONTRACTS THAT GOVERN ME BY MY
CLIENTS.
I DID HAVE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THE SERVICE AGREEMENT.
UNDER THE ARTICLE 1, REDEVELOPMENT SERVICES, THE ACTUAL
ACTIVITIES THAT THE SERVICE AGREEMENTS HAVE A LOT OF PASSIVE
LANGUAGE AS AN ASSIST IN THERE.
ONE OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE HAD CHALLENGES WITH IN THE EAST
TAMPA CRA IS LEGAL AND PURCHASING.
WE SEND THINGS OVER AND THEY GET STUCK AND BOGGED DOWN.
AND IF SOMEONE WAS TO BE GOVERNED BY THE LETTER OF THE LAW,
THEY CAN SAY, WE CAN ASSIST YOU AS SOON AS WE CAN.
AS NICOLE TRAVIS AND ALIS DRUMGO ARE TRYING TO MOVE THINGS
FORWARD, IF YOU CAN HELP SUPPORT THEM BY PUTTING FIRE UNDER
THE ASSIST LANGUAGE.
THE OTHER SECTION I HAD A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN WITH IS THE
-- ARTICLE 3 -- I MEAN ARTICLE 3, STAFF COMPENSATION.
THERE IS A LINE IN THERE THAT SAYS THE CRA DIRECTOR WILL
ENSURE THAT ALL PROGRAMS AND INITIATIVES ALIGN WITH THE
CITY.
THE CRA'S MISSION AND VISION.
MY CHALLENGE IS FIRST, TECHNICALLY, ALIGN BY THE STATE
STATUTE THAT GOVERN STATE STATUTE BEFORE WE DO THE CITY AND
THE CRA BOARD'S ADMISSION WE ARE IN LINE WITH THE STATE
STATUTE.
THEN I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE CRA DIRECTOR PERFORMANCE
REVIEW.
CLEARLY OUTLINED WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THE VOTE DIDN'T
HAPPEN.
AND YOU HAVE A SIX-MONTH PERIOD.
AND NOT CLEAR WHO SETS THOSE BENCHMARKS, WHAT ARE THEY, WHO
WILL BE RESPONSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE ACHIEVING THOSE
GOALS, WHO DRAFTS THAT TO HAVE THAT CLARITY IN THE CONTRACT.
AND I -- LEGALLY REGRET THAT COMMENTS THAT I TRIED TO MAKE
TO REPRESENT MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE I AM THIRD GENERATION IS
SEEN AS A DISTRACTION.
BUT MY WORK AS HARD AS I POSSIBLY CAN IN MY FREE TIME TO
MAKE SURE THAT I AM REPRESENTING THE AREA THAT I AM A THIRD
GENERATION FROM AND PLAN ON CONTINUING TO STAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:27:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
09:27:05AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
EXCUSE ME, MADAM CHAIR.
09:27:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
09:27:19AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MISS TRAVIS, YOU WANT TO ADDRESS SOME OF
HER COMMENTS?
09:27:22AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
NO.
09:27:23AM >> SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHEN TO PULL BACK.
BUT GOOD MORNING.
I WANT TO BE IN ALIGNMENT OF THE PRAYER THAT WAS PRESENTED
THIS MORNING.
THAT WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON THE NEEDS OF THE POOR AND IF
THE CHURCH IS NOT SUCH, AND IF WE ARE NOT SUCH, THEN
IT CALLS FOR A CRITICAL RE-EXAMINATION OF WHO WE ARE.
APRIL 4, 1968 REPRESENTS SOMETHING DEAR TO MOST OF US.
AND THAT WAS THE LOSS OF ONE OF OUR GREATEST LEADERS DR.
KING.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS YOU ON ONE OF DR. KING'S MOST, I
THINK, BEST SPEECHES WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT THE OTHER AMERICA.
AND WHEN I HEAR "THE OTHER AMERICA" IT ALIGNS ME WITH THE
OTHER TAMPA, A TAMPA THAT IS PROSPERING AND ONE THAT IS NOT.
ONE THAT HAS HAD A CRA -- THE FIRST CRA IN THE STATE OF
FLORIDA AND IS STILL LANGUISHING IN POVERTY, GENTRIFICATION,
A LOSS OF HOPE AND GREAT APATHY BECAUSE WE CAN'T MOVE THE
BAR WHAT WE SEE COMING OUT OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT
BRILLIANT BLACK PEOPLE ELEVATING THEMSELVES TO WORK WITH THE
ADMINISTRATION.
BUT IT IS POWERFUL, BECAUSE IT CAN'T DO WHAT THE PEOPLE NEED
IT TO DO.
WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS THAT WE WANT
OUR YOUNG PEOPLE TO HAVE A WONDERFUL LIVE SUMMER JOB
EXPERIENCE.
IT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA.
I DON'T BLAME THEM, BUT I BLAME THE ADMINISTRATION.
BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT GUN VIOLENCE, DEATH AND LACK OF
ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY WHEN YOU PROVIDE NOTHING.
WE WANT OUR CHILDREN SIMILAR ALIGNED WITH HOPE.
WE DO NOT SEE HOPE IN JUST THEM PICKING UP PAPER THE CRA
BOARD AGREED TO HIRING A 72 YOUNG PEOPLE.
SCALED BACK TO 36.
WE WERE NOT ASKING CITY STAFF TO MENTOR THESE CHILDREN, BUT
WE SAID WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN OUR BUCKET -- ALMOST $20
MILLION TO AFFORD A CONSULTANT TO DEVELOP THESE YOUNG PEOPLE
TO UNDERSTAND THE REAL WORLD AT WORK.
WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM SOMETHING THAT COUNTER WHAT THEY SEE
THROUGH RAP MUSIC AND ALL THE OTHER FALSE FACADE ON HOW TO
GET MONEY.
AND WHAT WE CONSTANTLY GET IS A PUSH BACK FROM THE MAYOR'S
SURROGATES, WHETHER THEY ARE HERE OR ON THE RADIO SAYING NO.
BUT WHAT DO WE SEE MOVING FORWARD IS A TURN AROUND IN THIS
CITY BECAUSE WE ARE BEGINNING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ECONOMIC
PROSPERITY CAN LOOK FOR ALL.
IT CAN NOT BE THAT WE ARE WISHING THAT OUR COMMUNITY COULD
DO BETTER WHEN WE HAVE THE FINANCIAL MEANS FOR IT TO HAPPEN.
600,000 DOLLARS BLOSSOMING UP IN EAST TAMPA WHEN WE ARE
SPECTATORS.
WE WANT TO SEE A TURN AROUND FOR THAT.
THANK YOU
09:30:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST FOR THE RECORD, YOUR NAME.
09:30:33AM >> MY NAME, CONNIE BURTON.
09:30:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
09:30:37AM >> YES, MA'AM.
09:30:38AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS NORENE COPELAND MILLER AT 911 EAST CHELSEA.
I'M HERE THIS MORNING TO SAY I AM PART OF THE EAST TAMPA
PARTNERSHIP OF THE CAC.
I AM A CAC BOARD MEMBER AND I KNOW THAT THE CITY IS WORKING
-- THERE ARE SOME NEGOTIATIONS GOING ON WITH THE OWNER OF
THE MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY.
BASICALLY MY NUMBER ONE ISSUE RIGHT NOW IS SAVE MEMORIAL
PARK CEMETERY.
AND I KNOW A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHEN WE ASKED -- WE TALKED
ABOUT SLUM, BLIGHT AND INFRASTRUCTURE, THE CAC BOARD OFFERED
-- WE WANTED TO AND PUT IN A REQUEST TO PUT A FENCE ON
THE MLK SIDE AND THE FENCE ON THE 26th STREET SIDE TO CLOSE
IT IN WITH ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE FOR MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY.
THAT WAS TABLED.
AND THEN WITH WE REQUESTED AGAIN AND WE FOUND OUT THAT THE
CITY DIDN'T OWN IT ANYMORE.
THE BOTTOM LINE HERE, IT IS TIME TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
I LISTENED TO ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS LAST WEEK SAYING WE
NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ALL DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO
WITH THAT.
VERY CLEAR WHAT HAPPENED TO ME.
YOU ARE IN PUBLIC SERVING.
WE ARE YOUR CONSTITUENTS.
WE HAVE CITYWIDE, DISTRICT.
ALL OF YOU WHEN YOU SEE SOMETHING WRONG, I EXPECT YOUR
SUPPORT TO MAKE IT RIGHT.
NOT SIT UP AND PLAY A BLAME GAME.
AT THIS POINT IT IS AFTER THE FACT.
IT HAS HAPPENED.
IT IS TIME NOW TO FIX IT.
WE ARE GOING INTO THE FIFTH MONTH.
I DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT THIS FOR TWO YEARS
BECAUSE WE COULDN'T GET A FENCE UP.
MAYBE NOW THAT PEOPLE SEE THE HISTORICAL VALUE IN THAT
CEMETERY.
PEOPLE'S FAMILY MEMBERS ARE THERE.
WE WILL DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA, FOR A
HISTORICAL BLACK CEMETERY, TO SAVE OUR HISTORY SO PEOPLE
WILL BE MORE ENGAGED AND INTERESTED IN THOSE SOULS IN THERE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT CONTRIBUTED TO BUILDING THIS GREAT CITY
AND SOME CALL IT PARADISE.
AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS, BUT WE ARE IN THE LAND OF THE
FORGOTTEN, THAT'S HOW I AM FEELING RIGHT NOW IN OUR AREA, IN
THE BELMONT HEIGHTS AREA, THE JACKSON HEIGHTS AREA.
SO CONVENIENT TO CALL IT EAST TAMPA BECAUSE THAT IS SO BROAD
AND WE KNOW EAST TAMPA GOES ALL THE WAY TO FALKENBURG.
BUT THE HISTORICAL THINGS GOING ON IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD ARE
BEING ERASED.
I CERTAINLY WANT THIS COUNCIL TO DO BETTER AND MAKE IT
RIGHT.
BECAUSE LIKE I SAID I WILL COME HERE EVERY WEEK UNTIL
SOMETHING HAPPENS WITH MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY BUT I THANK
GOD HE ALLOWED ME TO COME DOWN AND SPEAK TO YOU GUYS AS WELL
AS THE OWNER SHOULD HAVE A SENSE OF RESPONSIBILITY.
WE ALL DO.
AND I EXPECT YOU ALL TO HOLD UP YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AS YOU
ARE PUBLIC OFFICIALS SERVING THIS CITY OF TAMPA AND WE ARE
YOUR CONSTITUENTS.
AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO IS TO BLAME.
PLEASE FIX IT.
AND I IMPLORE ALL OF YOU TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
THANK YOU.
09:33:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
09:33:55AM >> HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.
COUNCILMAN GUDES, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
09:33:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER GUDES.
09:34:03AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU KNOW, I HAVE BEEN ON BOTH SIDES.
I HAVE BEEN AS AN EMPLOYEE AND AS A COUNCILMEMBER.
WHAT I HAVE SEEN THROUGH MY WHOLE TIME AND TENURE IN THIS
CITY WITH THIS GOVERNMENT, AND I MAY PROBABLY GET DINGED FOR
IT AND I AM WALKING OUT THE DOOR BUT DOESN'T MAKE A
DIFFERENCE.
INSTITUTIONAL RACISM.
GOVERNMENTAL RACISM.
UNTIL YOU ARE ABLE TO WEED OUT THAT, YOU WILL CONTINUE TO
HAVE THE SAME THING.
UNTIL PEOPLE HAVE THE MIND SET TO HELP EVERYONE INSTEAD OF
HELPING A CERTAIN CLASS, YOU WILL HAVE THE SAME THING.
EAST TAMPA IS A CERTAIN PLACE AND YOU CATEGORIZE IT -- LIKE
ONE PERSON SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE NOW -- YOU HAVE A
SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, SOUTHERN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
YOU ARE BREAKING IT UP NOW.
YOU ARE BREAKING IT UP.
AND UNTIL YOU HAVE A TEAM -- THE ADMINISTRATION PUTS
TOGETHER A TEAM.
MISS TRAVIS AND MR. DRUMGO ARE WORKING THEIR TAILS OFF.
THEY CAN'T DO IT THEMSELVES.
THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH SO MANY HOOPS TO GET THINGS DONE.
THEY HAVE TO FIGHT TOO.
NOT THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO GET IT DONE.
THEY GOT IT DONE IN OTHER PLACES.
BUT THEY NEED PERMISSION OR GUIDANCE TO GET IT DONE.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE A TEAM TO MAKE EAST TAMPA CHANGE.
AND IN MY MIND, MR. CARLSON SAID A LONG TIME AGO, UNTIL THE
CRA BOARD TAKES CONTROL OF ITS POWER AND GET A TEAM OR THE
ADMINISTRATION GETS A TEAM STRICTLY FOR EAST TAMPA.
WE WILL GET THE RESULTS.
I WILL BE HONEST, YOU WILL GOING TO GET THE SAME RESULTS.
THOSE TWO FOLKS CAN'T DO IT BY THEMSELVES WITH THE ECONOMIC
IMPACT THAT THE CITY HAS.
WE HAVE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
I TALK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME.
MY MOUTH GETS ME IN TROUBLE.
I DON'T CHANGE WHO I AM.
I AM THE FIELD NEGRO.
THE HOUSE NEGRO.
AND WE -- AND IN TAMPA, WE HAVE A LOT -- OUR OWN PEOPLE,
TIME HOUSE NEGRO THAT HOLD US BACK SOME TIME.
I SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER.
HAVE A LOT OF PAWNS.
WHAT I SAY TO THE COMMUNITY I SAY TO THIS BOARD, LET'S MOVE
FORWARD.
LET'S MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN.
LET'S PUSH THIS NEXT BOARD, WHOEVER IT MAY BE, THIS
ADMINISTRATION, TO GET A TEAM FOR EAST TAMPA.
AN ACTUAL TEAM AND SAY, GO OUT AND MAKE IT HAPPEN.
GIVE THEM HELP.
MAKE IT HAPPEN.
BECAUSE MR. McCRAY CAN'T DO IT BY HIMSELF.
HE HAS LEARNING TO DO HIMSELF.
I SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER.
HE WAS BROUGHT HERE TO CALM US DOWN.
CALM THE BLACK FOLKS DOWN.
HIS TRAVIS IS HERE AND HAS THE EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE.
THIS BUSY.
MR. DRUMGO IS BUSY TOO.
THEY ARE TRYING THEIR BEST AND THEY NEED HELP AND HOPEFULLY
IN THE NEAR FUTURE THIS BOARD OR WHOEVER THIS BOARD WILL BE
WILL GIVE THEM THE HELP THEY DESERVE AND NEED TO MAKE THINGS
MOVE.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRPERSON.
09:37:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
09:37:17AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF I CAN JUST ADD TO THAT.
WE -- WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE SERVICE AGREEMENT
TODAY.
WE FOUR YEARS AGO, MORE THAN ANYBODY IN RECENT YEARS, ACCEPT
RATED THE CRA FROM THE CITY.
BUT WE WERE NOT GIVEN THE STAFF THAT COULD HELP US IMPLEMENT
THE THINGS WE NEEDED TO DO.
WE KEPT ASKING, ASKING.
WE MADE MOTIONS AND THINGS WEREN'T HAPPENING.
NOW WE HAVE STAFF THAT ARE MAKING THINGS HAPPEN FINALLY, BUT
THEY ARE DOING IT PART-TIME.
HOPEFULLY WE WILL HAVE PERMANENT STAFF SOON.
WHEN WE GET TO THE CONTRACT, I AM GOING TO TALK ABOUT STAFF.
BUT THE SAME THING WITH THE CITY.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU ALL, I HEAR COMPLAINTS OF EVERY
DEPARTMENT.
SYSTEMIC SERVICE ISSUES IN EVERY DEPARTMENT OF THE CITY.
EVEN IN NICOLE'S DEPARTMENT AND NICOLE IS OUTSTANDING.
WE HAVE GREAT LEADERS.
OCEA IS A GREAT LEADER.
GREAT LEADERS IN DEPARTMENTS, BUT WE HAVE GOT -- YOU ALL
REMEMBER THE MOVIE "OFFICE SPACE" THEY PUT THE GUY IN THE
CUBICLE DOWNSTAIRS.
I SEE THAT HAPPENING ALL THE TIME.
TAXPAYERS OF THE CITY CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY SOMEBODY IN A
CUBICLE DOWNSTAIRS.
WE NEED TO PUSH THE PEOPLE WHO PLAY POLITICS, WE NEED TO GET
OUT.
WE DON'T INTO THEY HAD THE DIRTY POLITICS ANYMORE.
PEOPLE WHO NOD AND DON'T DO ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY KEEP
GETTING PUSHED UP PAUSE THEY DON'T RUFFLE FEATHERS.
THEY NEED TO BE PUSHED OUT.
WE NEED PEOPLE WHO GET RESULTS.
THE CHIEF OF STAFF IN EARNEST HAVE THE METRICS.
WE NEED TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR METRICS AND MOVE DEAD
WEIGHT OUT FASTER.
EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD, EVERY HOMEOWNER THINKS THEIR STREET HAS
POTHOLES ON IT.
AND EVERY -- EVERYBODY THINKS THAT ONLY THEIR PARK IS
FALLING APART OR ONLY CODE ENFORCEMENT IS NOT AFFECTING
THEIR AREA.
WE HAVE TO FIX THAT SYSTEMATICALLY.
WE ARE BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE NOW THROUGH THE ELECTIONS, BUT
IN FOUR YEARS, OUR LEGACIES WILL BE CEMENTED BASED ON WHAT
WE DID.
PEOPLE -- YOU HEARD RIGHT NOW, PEOPLE DON'T CARE IF THE
MAYOR THAT DID IT OR WE DID IT.
WE ARE ALL BEING ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE SAME THING.
I ASK THE ADMINISTRATION TO WORK WITH US.
BUT WHEN IT COMES TO BUDGETING TIME.
BY CHARTER, THE BUDGET IS THE PURVIEW OF COUNCIL.
BY LAW, THE CRA BUDGET IS APPROVED BY THE CRA BOARD.
WE HAVE THE CONTROL.
WE CAN GO THROUGH THE KNIFE AND CUT IT.
WE CAN CUT OUT THE PEOPLE WITH DIRTY POLITICS.
CUT OUT THE DEAD WEIGHT.
IF PEOPLE ARE NOT PERFORMING, HAVE THE CHIEF OF STAFF, AND
SHOW US WHO IS NOT PERFORMING AND WE WILL CUT THEM OUT OF
THE BUDGET.
THAT IS WHERE WE HAVE THE POWER.
IF WE DON'T DO IT IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS, MORE AND MORE
PEOPLE COMING IN FRONT OF US ASKING WHY AREN'T THINGS
GETTING DONE
WE HAVE THE POWER IN THE BUDGET.
DON'T HAVE EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY, BUT WE HAVE POWER OVER THE
BUDGET.
THANK YOU.
09:40:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
09:40:12AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WOULD LIKE TO -- AND I WILL DO IT IN THE CITY COUNCIL
MEETING.
I DON'T THINK IT IS A CRA, BUT THE CITY IS DIVIDED INTO FOUR
QUADRANTS.
SEND DISTRICTS OF ONE, TWO AND THREE CITY WIDE.
SO SOMEWHERE THERE IS A BUDGET THAT TELLS YOU HOW MUCH MONEY
WAS SPENT IN EACH QUADRANT AND WHY IT WAS SPENT AND HOW IT
WAS SPENT.
I REMEMBER FROM THE PAST.
SO NOT TODAY BECAUSE NOW IT IS A CRA BUT CITY COUNCIL WILL
MAKE A MOTION FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO GIVE US COLLECTIVELY
THE FOUR SUMS OF THE DIGITS OF THOSE FOUR DISTRICTS TO FIND
OUT WHERE THE MONEY WENT, WHERE IT WAS SPENT, AND WHO
BENEFITED FROM IT.
I WILL DO THAT TONIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:40:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
09:41:00AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF I CAN JUST ADD TO THAT.
IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THE WAY THEY PRESENT IT LAST YEAR, MOST
OF THE MONEY FROM SOUTH COMPANY FROM STORMWATER PROJECT AND
PIPES BECAUSE IT ALL HAPPENED TO BE THERE.
WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS THERE ARE CITYWIDE MOBILITY PLANS,
CITYWIDE PUBLIC SAFETY PLANS, CITYWIDE PARKS PLANS.
ALL OF THOSE HAVE TAKEN THREE OR FOUR YEARS AND SHOULD SHOW
US HOW THINGS ARE BEING SPENT EQUABLY.
THE PARKS PLAN WILL BE PRESENTED IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND
SHOW HOW WE CAN EQUABLY SPEND IN EACH QUADRANT AND THE
OLDEST MOST RUN-DOWN SERVICES AND FACILITIES.
I AM ALL FOR EQUITY.
THE ONLY THING I WANT TO BE CAREFUL OF IS THAT THESE BIG
INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING USED AS INVESTMENTS
IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
IN THE SHORT TERM, A BIG PAIN BECAUSE CAN'T DRIVE AROUND AND
A LACK OF COORDINATION.
BUT IN THE LONG RUN, IT MIGHT SOLVE FLOODING PROBLEMS OR
OTHER THINGS.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS EFFICIENCY IN ALL THE
DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, STARTING WITH CRA AND EVERYTHING
ELSE.
IN THEORY, WE HAVE COMPLETE CONTROL OVER CRA.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS OPERATING
EFFECTIVELY AND HOLD THE BUDGET ACCOUNTABLE FOR GETTING
DELIVERY OF SERVICE EVERYWHERE ELSE.
THANK YOU.
09:42:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
WE HAVE ONE PERSON REGISTERED ONLINE.
ARE THEY ONLINE?
09:42:29AM >>CLERK:
MR. RANDOLPH.
09:42:30AM >> YES, GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
I AM WITH THE WEST TAMPA CAC.
GOOD MORNING, CITY OF TAMPA.
GOOD MORNING,CRA.
TODAY I WANT TO TALK OF A FOLLOW-UP DISCUSSION ON THE WEST
TAMPA TECHNOLOGY JOB CREATION CENTER.
AS YOU KNOW, WE TALKED OF THE BUILDING CENTER.
WE MADE IT TO WEST TAMPA ON E-COMMERCE INITIATIVE.
THEY ARE PART OF THE TECHNOLOGY INITIATIVE.
AS YOU KNOW THE SERVICE INDUSTRY AS WE KNOW IT TODAY IS
GONE.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO GET A JOB FOR CONSTRUCTION, FORGET IT,
THEY HAVE APPRENTICE AND THEY CAN COME OUT AND BRING -- SO
SERVICE INDUSTRY IN THAT RESPECT IS GONE.
IF YOU ARE TRYING TO GET A JOB IN THE SUPERMARKET, FORGET
IT.
MACHINES ARE TAKING OVER.
THE WEST TAMPA TECHNOLOGY CENTER WAS PUT TOGETHER TO EVEN
THE PLAYING FIELD.
THE WEST TAMPA TECHNOLOGY CENTER WILL SEARCH IN TERMS OF
DOING WEB THREE.
WEB THREE IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WEB ONE AND WEB TWO TAKEN BY
FACEBOOK, TIK TOK AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS.
NOW IT IS A NEW DAY WEB THREE CAN EVEN THE PLAYING FIELD.
IN ADDITION TO E-COMMERCIAL, WE WILL BE TEACHING ARTIFICIAL
INTELLIGENCE INCLUDING CHAT GPT, VIRTUAL REALITY,
APPLICATIONS RELATED TO GAMES, MOBILE WEB PAGES, ETC.,
SOCIAL MEDIA AND -- AND EVEN THE DIGITAL DIVIDE.
THIS INITIATIVE IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE TODAY, WE NEED TO
PLAN FOR TODAY AND TOMORROW.
JOBS USED TO BE THERE ARE GONE, QUICK AND FAST.
THERE IS A CRISIS OUT HERE.
WE NEED TO DEAL WITH TECHNOLOGY LIKE YESTERDAY.
THE STRATEGY THAT WEST TAMPA HAS IS TO DO THE DEALS AT THE
CHEAPEST POSSIBLE PRICE BECAUSE YOU DON'T NEED A MILLION
DOLLARS TO BRING THIS TECHNOLOGY TO THE COMMUNITY.
I WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
YOU HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A SECOND.
YOU HAVE SEEN THE CAC GO UP, COME DOWN AND BACK AGAIN.
DURING THAT TIME, YOU ALWAYS HAVE BEEN A STAND-UP GUY.
YOU ALWAYS MADE SURE THAT YOUR POSITION WAS KNOWN.
SOMEBODY GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THAT.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU, SIR.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, MISS TRAVIS, I WILL BE CALLING YOU SOON
TO HAVE A CONVERSATION OF CRA ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE NEW THINGS COMING TO THE CRA.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK.
NEXT TIME WE TALK, WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE WEST TAMPA
HEALTH INITIATIVE.
HOW WE NEED TO CHANGE THE NARRATIVE WHEN IT COMES TO HEALTH
IN THE COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:45:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
OKAY, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC
COMMENT?
09:45:47AM >> MY NAME IS DANA WILD.
I STAY IN THE BELMONT HEIGHTS AREA.
CONNIE BURTON IS MY SISTER -- ONE OF MY SISTERS.
THE BELMONT HEIGHTS AREA, THE GATOR BUILDING ON THE CORNER,
THE SENIORS DON'T HAVE NOWHERE TO GO TO SHOP.
WE HAVE NO KIND OF AMENITY FOR THAT AREA.
WHEN YOU RIDE THROUGH THAT AREA, ALL YOU SEE IS TRASH AT
THAT AREA.
WE TRY TO PICK IT UP, BUT PEOPLE THAT COME THAT DON'T LIVE
IN THAT AREA DROP THEIR TRASH IN OUR AREA.
WE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF THAT.
WE DEFINITELY NEED JOBS FOR THE YOUNG PEOPLE SO THEY WILL
KNOW HOW TO LIVE AND WORK IN OUR COMMUNITY.
I GET PISSED OFF WHEN I SEE THAT YOUNG PEOPLE DON'T HAVE NO
JOBS.
THE SENIORS NEED HELP.
I AM IN THE AREA WHERE I AM AT.
I GO CHECK ON THE SENIORS AROUND ME.
THE SENIORS NEED HELP.
NOT JUST A FEW DOLLARS OVER HERE.
WE ARE TIRED OF THE HORSE AND PONY SHOW.
WE ARE TIRED OF Y'ALL SAYING YOU ARE GOING TO HELP US AND
Y'ALL DON'T DO ANYTHING.
AND WHAT IS REALLY MAKING ME PISSED OFF THAT WE ARE
SUFFERING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
YOU ALL HAVE A GOD-BLESSED DAY.
09:47:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
OKAY.
MR. MURPHY.
09:47:13AM >> SHOWING TO SHOW A POWERPOINT ISSUE.
09:48:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GO ON?
HERE WE GO.
09:48:23AM >>THOMAS MURPHY:
GOOD MORNING, I AM THOMAS MURPHY, AND I AM
SHOWING YOU WHAT IS GOING ON IN CENTRAL PARK.
WHO IS FAMILIAR WITH WHERE CENTRAL PARK IS.
BOUNDARIES AND EVERYTHING.
PERFECT.
I HAVE HERE WHERE THE CURRENT BOUNDARIES LIE AND WE WILL GO
UP ON NEBRASKA AND ON I-4 TO ORANGE AND CASS WHERE TAMPA
PARK APARTMENTS WERE.
A LOT IS GOING ON DOWN IN THAT AREA BECAUSE A LOT HAS BEEN
DEMOLISHED IN THE PAST, COUPLE OF DECADES.
HERE IS WHAT GOOGLE SHOWS AS THAT AREA WHERE CENTRAL PARK
IS.
THEY CALL IT SOUTH NEBRASKA.
A LOT OF FOLKS WHEN I TELL THEM.
WHERE I VOLUNTEER WITH.
TELL THEM WHERE IS CENTRAL PARK.
WHERE THE PROJECTS WERE, CENTRAL PARK VILLAGE AND CENTRAL
AVENUE.
THE IDENTITY OF THE AREA HAS BEEN LOST OVER THE YEAR AND
SURROUNDED BY WELL-KNOWN AREAS LIKE YBOR, CHANNELSIDE,
DOWNTOWN, AND THE TOP ARROW POINTING TOWARD TAMPA HEIGHTS.
WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE TODAY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN DOWN TO WALK DOWN
THERE.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE SMALLEST CRA.
THE BOUNDARIES ARE VERY WALKABLE.
PUT YOUR SHOES ON.
I WOULD LOVE TO WALK WITH YOU GUYS OR TAKE MR. LEARN OR
MISS ODOM HISTORY TOURS.
SO MUCH TO LEARN.
I WILL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE WHAT IS GOING ON.
ENCORE JOB TRAINING CENTER THAT WAS BUILT AND SAT VACANT.
THIS WAS MEANT TO HELP POST GRADUATE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS
WITH JOB TRAINING AND JOB PLACEMENT.
TO MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY WERE ABLE TO GO THERE THROUGH THE
FOOD SERVICE AGENCY TO GET JOB PLACEMENT AND JOB TRAINING
HOPEFUL IN YBOR TO HAVE A LOT LESS AS FAR AS TRAVEL TIME
GOES.
HERE, A LOT OF NEW BUSINESSES ARE OPENING UP AND VACANT
BUILDINGS.
THE DOE JOE OPENED UP AND RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE.
I RECOMMEND CHECKING THIS THAT OUT.
THIS HAS BEEN A BUILDING VACANT QUITE A WHILE TOO.
THE LA SETIMA CLUB.
A PLANT-BASED MENU AND WINE BAR.
THIS IS INTERESTING AS WELL.
SO HERE ON THE CORNER OF PALM AND TOLLIVER IS THE PALM
VILLA HOSTELS.
ON SALE FOR $1.3 MILLION.
SOMETHING THE BOARD TO LOOK INTO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS PLAGUED WITH POORLY MAINTAINED
SIDEWALKS.
I WALK THIS BOUNDARY A LOT BECAUSE SO MUCH GOING ON AND I
WANT TO KEEP YOU GUYS ABREAST WHAT IS GOING ON AND I ALWAYS
WANT TO KNOW.
HERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THE SIDEWALKS.
THE WALKABILITY THROUGHOUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND THIS IS
COMMON THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE AREA.
ALSO SECTIONS OF THE CRA IN NEED OF REGULAR MAINTENANCE AND
LITTER CLEANUP.
A COMMON SIGHT TO SEE MOVING ON THERE.
PRIMARILY THE OVERPASSES.
HOUSELESS FOLKS WILL BAG THE GARBAGE UP AND SET IT ON THE
SIDE BUT NOWHERE FOR IT TO GO.
MATTRESSES ARE THROWN OUT THERE.
GARBAGE IS BROKEN TOO.
COUCHES ARE LEFT UNDER THE OVERPASSES.
HERE IS ONE AREA I THINK IS VERY INTERESTING.
IF YOU ARE GOING DOWN CENTRAL AND YOU WALK UNDER THE
OVERPASS.
THE LEFT-HAND SIDE WHERE THE GATE IS, HENDERSON AVENUE THAT
IS BLOCKED OFF FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
THE RESEARCH I HAVE DONE THAT THE DEVELOPERS WILL REOPEN
THAT EXCEPTION AND WE WILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE SMOOTHER
WALKABILITY FROM NEIGHBORHOOD TO NEIGHBORHOOD.
IN THE SAME BREATH, OVERPASSES IS POORLY LIT.
CUT OFF BY I-4 AND 275.
TO GO FROM ONE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NEXT MORE OFTEN THAN NOT,
OVER ONE OF THE OVERPASSES.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WALKED DOWN THERE, BUT NOT A PRETTY
SIGHT.
CONNECTION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY NEED TO BE SAFER
WALKWAYS.
WHAT IS BEING DONE IN YBOR TO VERY PRESENT THAT.
WE WILL LOOK INTO THAT AS WELL IF WE ARE OPENING UP
HENDERSON AVENUE TO CREATE MORE WALKABILITY.
AT NIGHTTIME, NOT WELL LIT AND I DON'T LIKE DOWN THERE AT
NIGHT.
WHAT WITH AS THERE IN THE PAST?
A BRIEF HISTORY ON THERE.
WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE IN CENTRAL PARK IN THE 1860s WHEN FREED
SLAVES WERE ABLE TO OCCUPY THE TERRITORY.
MULTIGENERATIONAL FAMILIES WOULD LIVE IN THE HOMES WITH NO
PLUMBING AND HAD COMMUNITY OUTHOUSES.
WHAT THE AREA LOOKED LIKE BACK IN THE TURN OF CENTURY.
YOU CAN SEE IN THE BACKGROUND, MEACHAM HIGH SCHOOL.
SO THAT SHOWS THE DIRT ROADS.
THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE ST. JAMES CHURCH THE ONLY BUILDING
SALVAGED WHEN CENTRAL PARK VILLAGE WAS TORN DOWN.
YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDINGS.
THIS HISTORY IS AMAZING.
HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WAS ONCE DOWN THERE, THE PERIOD
MID HOTEL ON THE 1000 BLOCK.
AND THE LADIES OF THE DINING.
AND COMMUNITY CAME UP TO BE SOMETHING WHEN THE OPENING OF
CENTRAL PARK VILLAGE IN 1954.
THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.
UNTIL JUNE 11, 1967 AT 6:25 P.M. WHEN MARTIN
CHAMBERS WAS A 19-YEAR-OLD SHOT IN THE BACK BY A POLICE
OFFICER AND THREE DAYS OF RIOTING AND BURNING OF LOTS OF
BUSINESSES HAPPENED.
THIS IS WHAT CENTRAL PARK LOOKED LIKE AFTER THOSE RIOTS.
A LOT OF THOSE BUSINESSES WERE LOST.
THE NATIONAL GUARD WAS CALLED IN.
ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A BUILDING ONCE THERE WAS MEACHAM HIGH
SCHOOL.
THIS WAS A SCHOOL THAT INITIALLY THE CRA WAS PROMISING, I
BELIEVE -- THE SCHOOL BOARD WAS PROMISING TO REBUILD THIS.
THE SCHOOL IS STILL NOT BEING REBUILT.
20-PLUS YEARS.
I KNOW THAT THE FAMILY WAS REALLY -- THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG
FACTORS FOR THEM THEY WERE OKAY WITH LETTING THAT GO BECAUSE
PROMISED THAT THE SCHOOL WOULD BE REBUILT.
MEACHAM GARDEN IS ON THE SITE THAT THE SCHOOL IS SUPPOSED TO
BE BUILT BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING OF THE SCHOOL BEING
BROUGHT BACK.
AN AERIAL VIEW TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA WHEN CENTRAL PARK VILLAGE
WAS DEMOLISHED.
THE BLUE ARROWS OF PASTOR FRANK'S PARADISE CHURCH WHICH IS
NOW PINK.
AND ON THE SECOND WHERE THE ST. JAMES CHURCH STANDS.
PARADISE CHURCH STANDS.
COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU WENT TO SEE THE MUSEUM.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE BEEN TO THAT BASEMENT.
THE AMOUNT OF ARTICLE THAT PASTOR FRANK HAS IS FANTASTIC.
IT IS SAD.
DOOR IS KNOCKED IN.
ROW CENTS GOING IN THERE.
THE ENTIRE PLACE SMELL LIKE RAT FECES RAT URINE, THESE
PIECES OF HISTORY ARE BEING COMPLETELY RUINED AND NO
MAINTENANCE BEING DONE AND BREAKS MY HEART.
IT REALLY DOES.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE ST. JAMES CHURCH SLATED TO BE AN
AFRICAN-AMERICAN HISTORY MUSEUM.
SO LIKE I SAID, IS ONE OF THE ONLY BUILDINGS SAVED AS THEY
TORN DOWN CENTRAL PARK VILLAGE.
ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF TWO OF THE ONLY ORIGINAL REMAINING SCRUB
HOMES IN EAST SCOTT STREET.
RECENTLY PURCHASED BY THE HOUSING AUTHORITY.
I ACTUALLY HAD A CHANCE TO GO INSIDE ALL OF THEM.
AND THEY ARE NOT THAT BAD.
REALLY AREN'T.
I THINK BOTH OF THEM CAN DEFINITELY BE SAVED.
AND LIKE I SAID, JUST ONE PART OF THE HISTORY THAT IS STILL
REMAINING.
EXAMPLE OF NEW CONSTRUCTION.
NEW APARTMENTS BEING BUILT ON HARRISON AND CENTRAL.
THIS WILL BE GONE GOVERNOR.
ALSO TO UPDATE YOU, TAMPA PARK APARTMENTS ACROSS THE STREET
ON NEBRASKA IS BEING DEMOLISHED TO MAKE WAY FOR THE GASWORX
PROJECT.
BUILDINGS ON THE RIGHT AND THE NEW CONSTRUCTION ON THE LEFT
PROMISING TO BE DELIVERED BY 2024 YOU CAN SEE THIS.
I HAD TO REACH OVER WITH MY CONTROL PHONE OVER THE
CHAIN-LINK FENCE TO GIVE YOU A GOOD SHOT.
PERRY HARVEY PARK.
WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THE CR A THE CITY DID IN 2006, THIS
AREA WAS SLATED TO BE A BAND SHELTER.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY DROPPED THE CONCRETE AND NOTHING HAS
MADE ITS WAY SINCE THEN.
AND SPEAKING WITH A LOT OF RESIDENTS ONE THING THEY ARE
STILL HOPING THAT THAT PROMISE WILL BE KEPT UP ON THERE.
HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE GRAFFITI AND VANDALISM
THAT HAS BEEN DONE SO SOME OF THE MURALS ON PERRY HARVEY
PARK.
THE FOLKS WHO MADE THE MURALS, WHO KNOW IF THEY WILL BE ABLE
TO REPLACE THAT.
WITHIN WEEKS OF THE PARK OPENING UP THAT PEOPLE WERE ALREADY
VANDALIZING A LOT OF THIS HISTORY.
YOU CAN SEE MORE OF THE GRAFFITI ON THE PARK.
RIGHT HERE THE FOUNTAINS WHERE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE GOING
WITH THE MUSIC ON CASS STREET.
THIS HAVEN'T BEEN ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME EITHER.
SO WHAT IS NEXT?
SO THE GAS WOKS CANVAS CITY TOWN HOMES ARE SLATED TO BE
BUILT HERE.
THEY ARE GOING TO RANGE FROM 2100 TO 2400 SQUARE FEET AT A
PRICE OF $705,000 TO $775,000.
A FAR CRY OF THE HUMBLE BEGINNINGS.
MORE EXAMPLES OF THE SAME RENDERING FOR THESE.
ANOTHER FROM A MIAMI-BASED DEVELOPER HAVE IT SLATED FOR 369
LUXURY APARTMENTS WITH 178 IF KEY HOTEL.
330,000 FEET OF RETAIL SPACE AND A LARGE PARKING PODIUM.
IS COMING IN AS WELL.
THIS ONE, THEY ARE HOPING TO HAVE GROCERY AT SOME POINT.
SOME MORE RENDERINGS WHAT IS TO COME.
RENDERINGS OF THE VACANT LOT AND WHAT IS GOING TO BE GOING
IN THAT SPACE.
HERE IS THE WHAT WAS PURCHASED BY THE PATEL FAMILY
FOUNDATION.
THIS IS GOING TO BE MICROUNITS, MIXED USE LUXURY APARTMENT,
MIXED USE APARTMENT, MARKET UNITS AND RETAIL SPACE.
AND THEN LASTLY, THIS IS THE -- THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT THAT
I HAD MENTIONED OF CONNECTING HARRISON STREET RIGHT THERE.
THIS IS BUILT ON THE OTHER SIDE RIGHT BY WHERE GTE IS, ON
THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT.
SO WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF -- NOT A LOT OF MONEY IN THE
BUDGET FOR A LONG TIME BECAUSE NOT A LOT OF ACTIVITY GOING
ON.
NOW SO MUCH ACTIVITY GOING ON.
SO MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS COMING INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CAC AND THE CRA TO LISTEN TO
IT THE COMMUNITY.
ASK WHAT DO YOU WANT TO BE PUT IN HERE.
HOW DO YOU WANT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE REMEMBERED.
AND NOW WE HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO IT.
HOPEFULLY OUR STRATEGIC PLAN WITH IT BEING UPCOMING,
REWRITTEN, WILL BE ABLE TO INCLUDE A LOT OF THOSE.
ANY QUESTIONS?
09:59:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, BOARD MEMBER GUDES.
09:59:30AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CRA DIRECTOR FOR CENTRAL, WHAT ARE WE DOING
WITH PARADISE?
ARE WE TALKING TO PASTOR FRANK AND HIS DAUGHTERS?
09:59:43AM >> PASTOR FRANK'S DAUGHTERS I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH.
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING.
PASTOR FRANK MAY HAVE SIGNED SOME NEW MEMBERS ON TO THE
CORPORATION OR THE LL PASS DICE IS OWNED BY IN THE LAST
COUPLE OF YEARS.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE IS TRYING TO MAKE A DEAL WITH THEM.
BUT THE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN HIS DAUGHTERS AND MYSELF HAVE
BEEN FAIRLY MINIMAL.
10:00:07AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHAT ABOUT STAFF.
STAFF.
10:00:11AM >>JEFF BURTON:
JEFF BURTON, CRA MANAGER.
AT THIS TIME THE TITLE IS CLOUDED BECAUSE OF THOSE
ADDITIONAL MEMBERS.
AND IT IS A POINT WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE A CONVERSATION
WITH ALL OF THEM, THAT PROPERTY IS TIED UP.
10:00:34AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT.
SO BEFOREHAND WHEN MR. FRANK WAS COMING.
NOBODY ON THIS.
ALL OF A SUDDEN, PEOPLE ARE ON THIS TITLE NOW?
10:00:46AM >>JEFF BURTON:
THAT IS THE CASE, YES.
THEY ARE ON THE BOARD.
AND THE BOARD HAS THE TITLE.
SO THEY ARE ON THE TITLE.
10:00:54AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I CAN'T SAY WE DIDN'T TRY.
WE WENT DOWN IN THE BEGINNING.
I WILL BE GONE, BUT WE TRIED TO GET THAT --
10:01:05AM >>JEFF BURTON:
I AM STILL TRYING, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
I AM IN CONTACT WITH HIS FAMILY MEMBERS.
A MATTER OF TRUST.
I CAN TELL YOU FOR A FACT, IT IS ABOUT TRUST.
AND I KNOW THAT PASTOR FRANK AND THE RELATIONSHIP -- IT HAS
TAKEN A LONG TIME TO GAIN THAT TRUST AND FOR HIS DAUGHTERS
TO GAIN THE TRUST AS WELL.
I KNOW WHEN I SPOKE TO HIM ABOUT ST. JAMES BEING POTENTIAL
MUSEUM.
HE DIDN'T WANT THE ITEM TO GO IN THERE BECAUSE HE FEELS
SLIGHTED.
THAT IS WHERE IT IS AT.
THE CONVERSATIONS WITH HIS FAMILY WERE AMBIGUOUS WHETHER
SOMEBODY ELSE BOUGHT IT.
IF THEY KERR WANTED TO SELL IT.
A BIT OF A RUN AROUND.
WE LOOKED UP THE TITLE AND THAT'S --
10:01:51AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM GLAD YOU GOT INVOLVED, BUT I WAS
HOPING THAT STAFF WOULD BE INVOLVED IN HANDLING THAT
BUSINESS.
10:01:57AM >>JEFF BURTON:
COUNCILMAN GUDES, TRUST ME -- TRUST ME, I AM TRYING
TO DO A LOT.
AS A VOLUNTEER.
10:02:05AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ENOUGH SAID.
10:02:06AM >>ALIS DRUMGO:
IF I MAY.
DEPUTY ADMINSTRATOR ALIS DRUMGO.
FOR THE RECORD, COUNCILMAN, I MET WITH PASTOR WILLIAMS AS
WELL.
AND WE HAD THIS ENTIRE CONVERSATION WITH THE TITLE.
HIS DAUGHTERS FOLLOWING UP.
THERE ARE ISSUES.
WE HAD THIS COMMUNICATION.
IT DOES NOT HELP US TO HAVE VOLUNTEER MEMBERS GOING BACK AND
ATTEMPTING TO NEGOTIATE THIS STUFF.
I RESPECT THE CACS FOR ALL THE WORK THEY DO, BUT WHEN STAFF
ARE TRYING TO WORK ON ITEMS.
IT CREATES THAT LEVEL OF CONFLICT.
IF THERE ARE SOME DIRECTION THEY WOULD LIKE STAFF TO TAKE,
THEY NEED TO RUN IT THROUGH THEIR CRA MANAGER TO FOLLOW UP
AND TAKE THAT ACTION.
WHATEVER IT INFORMATION IS DISCOVERED, WHATEVER INFORMATION
WE CAN BRING BACK AND MEET WITH OUR ATTORNEYS TO DISCUSS,
THAT IS PERTINENT INFORMATION AND WE CAN TRY TO WORK THROUGH
THESE -- THESE ARE PRIVATE LAND MATTERS, RIGHT.
SO I DO, WITH RESPECT TO THE EFFORTS AND THE PRESENTATION
TODAY, WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SIT DOWN WITH STAFF AND GO
OVER WHERE WE ARE AND TO DISCUSS THESE THINGS.
10:03:04AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WOULD HOPE WE DO THAT BECAUSE ME GOING
AND VISITING -- AGAIN, MY GODBROTHER PASSED AWAY.
USED TO BE ADAMS TEMPLE.
MY BROTHER WAS UTILIZING THAT CHURCH.
I KNOW THE HISTORY OF THAT CHURCH.
BUT WHEN I GO INSIDE THAT CHURCH AND I SEE THE REAL HISTORY
OF WHAT PASTOR FRANK HAS IN THAT CHURCH, IT IS LIKE, WHY IS
THIS STUFF NOT SOMEWHERE TO BE PRESERVED FOR BLACK HISTORY,
BLACK CULTURE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS STUFF, IT IS, LIKE, AMAZING.
AND YOU ARE RIGHT, I WOULD HATE FOR THE STUFF TO KEEP BEING
DESTROYED AND DETERIORATE BECAUSE OF MILDEW, MOLD.
THIS STUFF -- I MEAN, THIS STUFF IS OUTSTANDING.
I WANTED TO STAFF TO MAKE SURE WE WERE AGGRESSIVE.
AND I UNDERSTAND YOU WERE TRYING TO HELP OUT, BUT AGAIN LIKE
WHAT MR. DRUMGO SAYS REVISIT THAT AND GET WITH THE BOARD --
AND THE PASTOR.
GET A MEETING WITH THE BOARD.
PASTOR FRANK IS ELDERLY NOW AND GET WITH THE BOARD AND
PASTOR FRANK AND MAKE SURE WHATEVER WE DO IS RIGHT.
I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY HE DOESN'T TRUST.
I AM HOPING THAT MR. DRUMGO, YOU AND STAFF WILL GET A
MEETING OF THE BOARD WITH THE LCC.
I KNOW YOU WORK HARD.
I CAN SEE IT FRUSTRATING TO YOU.
BUT, AGAIN, WE APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS AND SOMETHING WE
ASKED STAFF TO BE AGGRESSIVE ON.
10:04:35AM >> I DO APOLOGIZE.
NO WAY WAS I TRYING TO INTERFERE.
I WAS DOING MY BEST TO GET NEIGHBORS TO GET THEIR CONTACT
INFORMATION TO SHARE WITH JEFF AND ANYONE.
IN NO WAY TO BE IN MENACE OR A PEST.
WHEN WE ARE NOT HEARING ANYTHING, IT IS -- I BASICALLY -- IN
AN EFFORT I SAID, HEY, THIS IS OUR LAST -- I AM NOT GOING TO
KEEP BUGGING YOU ABOUT THIS.
THAT IS WHERE IT WAS COMING FROM.
ONLY THE ABSOLUTE BEST.
I WANT THIS SO, SO, SO MUCH FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT AS WELL IF I CAME -- IF THAT CAME
ACROSS AS ME TRYING TO INTERFERE BY ANY STRETCH OF THE
MEANS.
THAT IS THE FURTHEST THING I WANT TO DO.
10:05:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
10:05:19AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ON THAT POINT, COULD I -- I WON'T MAKE A
MOTION, BUT CAN WE JUST ASK STAFF TO WORK WITH BOARD MEMBER
GUDES.
HE HAS, LIKE, TWO WEEKS.
AND THESE THINGS SEEM TO TAKE A LONG TIME.
I KNOW THAT YOU ALL PUSH HARD, BUT I WOULD ASK THAT WE --
BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE EXPERIENCE AND BACKGROUND
RELATIONSHIPS THAT BOARD MEMBER GUDES HAS, THAT STAFF COULD
INCLUDE HIM IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO TO MEET WITH EVERYBODY
AND TRY TO NEGOTIATE SOMETHING AND PRESENT BACK.
THE SECOND THING -- AND IT IS THE SAME ISSUE WITH THE
JACKSON HOUSE, BY THE WAY.
YOU KNOW, I WAS -- I WAS WITH A GROUP IN 2013, I THINK IT WAS,
AND WE WERE TALKING TO WILLIE ROBINSON AND ALL THE SAME
CONCERNS AND WORKING WITH FAMILY AND EVERYTHING.
ENDED UP IN A FOUNDATION, WHICH -- IN MY BEEN IT HAVEN'T
DONE VERY MUCH.
THEY DON'T ALLOW THE CITY TO DO ANYTHING TO FIX IT.
AND BESIDES LOOKING AT EMINENT DOMAIN FOR THE LAND AROUND
IT, WE NEED TO LOOK AT EMINENT DOMAIN FOR THE BUILDING
ITSELF.
I KNOW USF AND THE HISTORY CENTER HAVE BEEN INVOLVED.
JEFF VINIK'S PEOPLE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED AND THE REPUTATION OF
THE COMMUNITY THAT THE FOUNDATION DOESN'T WANT TO DO
ANYTHING TO SAVE IT.
AND WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO SAVE THAT BUILDING.
WITH EVERYBODY WATCHING, IF IT GETS TORCH DOWN, I WILL MAKE
SURE THAT IT IS REBUILT IN THE SAME PLACE SO NOBODY WILL
EXPECT IT TO FALL DOWN AND DEVELOPMENT THE LAND.
WE NEED TO SAVE HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND YOU SHOWED OTHERS
THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT.
I WOULD LIKE TO -- IN MY AIDE ANDREW IS WATCHING, HE CAN GET
YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION AND SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND TALK TO
YOU ABOUT SOME OF THESE OTHER PROPERTIES.
I KNOW ONE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO DOMINATE ONE THIS AND A
PROPOSAL TO PUT BASEBALL JUST NORTH OF THIS DISTRICT.
IF THAT -- IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT PROPOSAL IS OFF THE TABLE.
SO IF IT IS, THAT OPENS UP A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY.
THE MONEY WAS NEVER COMMITTED TO THAT, BUT AT LEAST IT TAKES
THAT OFF THE TABLE AND THE NEGOTIATION PROCESS TO FIGURE OUT
WHAT TO DO.
I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN SOME OF THE HISTORY AND
CULTURE THERE SO THAT IT TELLS THE STORIES TO FUTURE
GENERATIONS.
THANK YOU.
10:07:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
10:07:36AM >>THOMAS MURPHY:
THANKS, GUYS.
10:07:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AND MY AID, KELLY -- SIR?
OKAY.
OKAY.
NEXT.
10:07:52AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
HELLO, AGAIN.
10:07:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HELLO.
10:07:54AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
ITEM NUMBER 2, WE HAVE CHRISTINE HERE TO
REPORT ON THE PROPOSAL TO REBRICK 7th AVENUE.
SHE IS WITH WSP AND SHE HAS A POWERPOINT.
I WANT TO APOLOGIZE THAT THE POWERPOINT YOU JUST SAW WAS NOT
COMMITTED AND I NEED FOR THE CLERK TO HAVE A COPE OF IT FOR
THE RECORD.
10:08:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS ONE I DON'T BELIEVE WAS SUBMITTED
EITHER.
10:08:18AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
IT WAS.
IT IS ON HERE.
10:08:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY, GREAT.
10:08:22AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
CAN WE GET THE POWERPOINT, PLEASE?
THANK YOU.
10:08:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARSON.
10:08:36AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WAS WSP HIRED BY THE CRA.
10:08:42AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
10:08:44AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:08:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GOOD MORNING.
10:08:46AM >> EXCITED TO BE HERE THIS MORNING TO TALK OF THE 7th AVENUE
-- IS THERE -- THERE IT IS RIGHT THERE.
7th AVENUE REBRICKING FEASIBILITY STUDY DONE FOR THE
YBOR CRA.
IF I CAN GET THIS TO WORK.
THE YBOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE, CAC PARTNERED WITH THE CITY OF
TAMPA MOBILITY.
10:09:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GIVIOUS YOUR NAME.
10:09:08AM >> CHRISTINE FANCI WITH WSP CONSULTING.
THE YBOR CITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE PARTNERED WITH THE CITY OF
TAMPA MOBILITY DEPARTMENT TO INVESTIGATE THE COST OF
REBRICKING 7th AVENUE.
THIS IS ONE OF THEIR COMMUNITY PRIORITY ACTIONS FOR THE
VISION 2020 PLAN FROM NICK NUCCIO PARKWAY TO 26th STREET.
THE STAKEHOLDERS WE WORKED WITH WERE THE CAC, OF COURSE.
THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
THE BARRIO LATINO COMMISSION DOWN IN YBOR.
JUST TALKING YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS, THIS REPORT IS THE
FIRST INITIAL STEP IN A LONG PROCESS TO GET THE REBRICKING
COMPLETED.
SO JUST GOING THROUGH.
WE ARE GOING TO FINALIZE THE REPORT THIS MONTH AFTER
SPEAKING WITH YOU.
THE CAC WILL PROGRAM FUNDS ESPECIALLY THIS MONTH AND BRING
IT TO THE CRA.
THE CRA WILL BE PRESENTED IN JULY AND GO TO CITY COMMISSION
FOR APPROVAL HOPEFULLY IN AUGUST AND ADVERTISE FOR DESIGN.
DESIGN TAKES SIX TO NINE MONTHS.
PUTS US TO THE END OF THIS YEAR.
THE DESIGN ITSELF TAKES NINE MONTHS.
FALL OF NEXT YEAR.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE BARRIO LATINO APPROVAL.
AND CONSTRUCTION ITSELF.
IF WE WERE TO APPROVE FUNDING IT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED
CHRISTMAS OF '25.
WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT TIMELINE.
WHAT DOVE?
STARTED A WITH WHAT DO WE HAVE IN YBOR.
AS YOU CAN SEE SIX TIMES OF YBOR BRICK.
OVER 100 YEARS OLD.
ALL DIFFERENT SHAPES, SIZES AND COLORS.
ALL DIFFERENT EMBELLISHMENT, AUGUSTA, SOUTHERN CLAY,
BALTIMORE BRICK, GROVE GHAMALA, COPELANDS INGLIS, AUGUSTA
BLOCK.
THEY HAVE NICE CHARACTER AND HOW DO WE MIX IT TO MAKE SURE
WE HAVE THE VISION PLAN FOR THE CRA?
WHAT DO WE HAVE?
WELL, IN THE WHOLE CORRIDOR, WE ESTIMATED WE NEED 170,000
SQUARE FEET OF BRICK.
LOOKING AT WHAT REALITY TIFFS TO THAT, THE INTERSECTIONS
ONLY 35,000.
TWO BLOCKS, 25,000.
BASED ON THE STOCKPILE AS YOU CAN SEE, HARD TO ESTIMATE AND
I HAVE PROFESSIONALS THAT USE THE STOCKPILE ALL THE TIME
THAT ESTIMATE WE HAVE 32,000 SQUARE FEET OF BRICK AVAILABLE.
THE CITY SAID TWO THINGS.
MAKE SURE YOU SAVE STOCKPILES AND USE IT FOR ONGOING
MAINTENANCE FOR REPAIRS.
AND ALSO, WE WOULD LIKE TO MINIMIZE THE USE OF HISTORIC
BRICKS IN CROSSWALKS DUE TO A.D.A. AND MEETING DISABILITY
NEEDS AND NOT HAVING ISSUE THERE IS.
THOSE ARE THE THOUGHTS.
UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH YBOR BRICK TO DO THE
WHOLE THING.
WHAT DO WE DO NEXT?
WE LOOKED AT THE TWO ALTERNATIVES.
ONE IS RECLAIMED.
THE OTHER IS REPLICA.
PROS AND CONS TO EACH.
RECLAIMED IS GOING TO RECLAIMING BRICK FROM OTHER CITIES AND
OTHER AREAS THAT HAVE HISTORIC ROADWAYS THEY ARE TAKING OUT.
THE PART OF THIS, IT LOOKS THE MOST HISTORIC, A PRO.
LOOKS LIKE HISTORIC BRICK THAT MATCHES THE HISTORIC NATURE
OF YBOR.
UNFORTUNATELY THE CON IS THAT THAT QUANTITY IS A LOT.
WHAT I HEARD FROM VENDORS, HARD TO GET 170,000 SQUARE FEET
FROM ANOTHER AGENCY IN A WHOLE.
SO YOU WILL HAVE TO ORDER SEPARATE ORDERS AND STOCKPILE IT.
IT MAY LOOK DIFFERENT.
FEEL DIFFERENT.
WHERE DO YOU STOCKPILE AND PHASE IT.
IT MIGHT TAKE LONGER.
OPPOSITE TO THAT IS THE REPLICA BRICK.
YOU ORDER THE BRICK.
EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT.
MANUFACTURE IT AND DELIVER IT TO THE CONTRACTOR.
DOESN'T HAVE TO BE STOCKPILED AND THAT BRICK IS CONTINUOUS.
COST IS A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THE HISTORIC IS ANOTHER PRO.
THE CON, IT DOESN'T LOOK AS HISTORIC AS THE REPLICA -- OF
THE RECLAIMED, EXCUSE ME.
THESE ARE THE TWO OPTIONS THAT WE INVESTIGATED.
WHO ARE THE VENDORS?
FOR THE MOST PART, THE RECLAIMED VENDORS ARE GAVIN, COLUMBIA
AND EVIS.
DOZENS OF REPLICA BRICK VENDORS, BELDEN, ENDICOTT PINE ALL
AND WHITACRE GREER.
TO DO THE STREET WORK TO TAKE ON THE HEAVY LOADS.
THEY CAN MAKE IT LOOK HISTORIC.
THESE ARE THE FOUR THAT CAN REALLY MEET THE NEEDS OF THE
YBOR PROJECT.
HOW DO THEY MAKE THE NEW BRICKS LOOK OLD?
THERE ARE FOUR WAYS.
THE BRICK THEY MAKE BEFORE THEY TIRE THEM, WHAT THEY CALL
THEY "RUMBLE" THEM TO GET THE EDGES, YOU KNOW, LOOK
TATTERED.
THEY FIRE THEM AND TUMBLE THEM AFTER.
THE CORNERS OF THE TOP RIGHT PICTURE HOW THE EDGES AREN'T
PERFECT AND LOOKS HISTORIC.
SECOND THING DIFFERENT COLORS.
AS I SHOWED YOU SIX DIFFERENT COLORS OF YBOR BRICK.
DIFFERENT COLORS LIKE SHOWN IN THE BOTTOM LEFT PICTURE.
ANOTHER THING IS EMBOSSING AND EMBELLISHING.
EMBOSS SOMETHING THE BOTTOM RIGHT PICTURE WHERE THEY STAMPED
"TAMPA" INTO THE BRICK.
YOU WOULD DO IT IN 10% OF THE BRICK JUST TO GIVE IT A LITTLE
FLARE.
YOU CAN SEE ON THE FIRST SLIDE, YBOR BRICK HAD AN
EMBELLISHMENT, THE AUGUSTA HAD THE AUGUSTA EMBELLISHMENT.
IT IS RAISED LIKE THE PICTURE ON TOP RIGHT.
WHERE THEY PUT THE DATE.
ONLY 10% OF THE BRICKS.
IT WOULDN'T BE EVERY SINGLE BRICK.
THE FOURTH THING A LITTLE BIT OF A REVEAL OR DOING A
DIFFERENT HEIGHT OF BRICK TO MAKE IT LOOK NOT PERFECT AND
NEW AND MAKE IT LOOK MORE HISTORIC.
ANOTHER OPTION TO MAKE SOME OF THE BRICKS A LITTLE TALLER.
MAYBE AN 8th OF AN INCH, SLIGHT ENOUGH TO LOOK IMPERFECT AND
LOOK MORE HISTORIC.
THESE ARE WAYS TO MAKE THE REPLICA BRICK LOOK OLD.
WHAT DOES THE TYPICAL SECTION LOOK TO DO THE QUANTITIES AND
THE COST.
UNDERSTAND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
RIGHT NOW IN YBOR, CONCRETE SIDEWALKS AND CURBS ON EACH
SIDE.
A CONCRETE PARKING AISLE AND STAY IN PLACE.
THE 24 FEET OF DRIVING SURFACES BASICALLY AND TAKE AWAY THE
ASPHALT AND REBRICK IT THAT WOULD REQUIRE NINE INCHES OF
STABILIZED BASE -- EXCUSE ME, 12 INCHES.
9 INCHES OF THE CRUSHED CONCRETE TO MAKE A GOOD FOUNDATION
AND 3-INCH BRICK WITH THE SAND.
ON THE EDGES, AN 18-INCH CONCRETE HEADER CURVE.
WE RECOMMEND THAT SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY TURNING OF THE BRICK
MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING STAYS IN PLACE FOR THE LONGEVITY
OF THIS PROJECT.
SO LOOKED AT SIX ALTERNATIVES TO GIVE THE CRA OPTIONS OF
COST AND FEASIBILITY.
THE FIRST IS RECLAIMED BRICK FOR THE WHOLE CORRIDOR.
SECOND IS FOR THE WHOLE CORRIDOR.
RECLAIMED FOR INSIDE THE CROSSWALKS AND REPLICA FROM THE
CROSSWALKS AND USE FLUSH BRIDGE.
ALTERNATIVE 4 WAS REPLICA BRICK, FULL INTERSECTIONS WITH
CROSSWALKS.
FIVE WAS CROSSWALKS ONLY AND SIX WAS AN ALTERNATIVE TO
UTILIZE SOME YBOR BRICKS.
TWO CENTER BLOCKS 15 TO 17 COULD BE THE YBOR BRICK FROM THE
STOCKPILE AND DO THE REPLICA FOR THE REST.
COMPLETE BRICK, BUT THAT YBOR HISTORIC BRICK RIGHT IN THE
CENTER.
ONE THING WE NOTICED DURING THE INVESTIGATION THAT 20th
STREET WAS THE ONLY STREET A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE.
IT HAS THESE CENTER MEDIANS THAT THEY TOOK THERE, THE YELLOW
STRIPING.
IF WE GO TO REBRICK THAT, NO USE IN REPAINTING THE YELLOW.
WE FIGURED WE WILL MAKE IT RIGHT AND THE CURBS IN
CONSTRUCTION OF THE A DA CURBS AND LIGHTING.
ALL THIS UPGRADE FOR 20th STREET.
THE COST WE PUT TOGETHER ALL-INCLUSIVE TO MAKE SURE WE ARE
THINKING OF THE WHOLE COST.
REMOVING OBVIOUSLY EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE THERE, YOU
KNOW, ALL THE EXCAVATION TO GET THAT 20 INCHES PLUS OF
FOUNDATION RIGHT.
PLUS THE BRICK COST INCLUDE NOT ONLY MATERIALS BUT THE LABOR
AND THE DELIVERY OF THOSE BRICKS.
10% FOR MOBILIZATION.
FIFTEEN FOR ENGINEERING.
EIGHT CORE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES DURING CONSTRUCTION.
HEALTHY CONTINGENCIES BECAUSE OF UNKNOWNS AND SEEN SO MUCH
INFLATION LATELY AND WANTED A HEALTHY CONTINGENCY AT 25%.
EACH OF THE COSTS INCLUDE ALL OF THESE THINGS.
HERE IS A -- UP WITH OF THE CHARTS THAT I PUT TOGETHER TO
ITEMIZE THE CRA WILL HAVE THIS AS A TOOL IF ANYTHING CHANGES
AND PLUG AND PLAY.
WE WANTED TO ESTIMATE EVERYTHING IN UNIT COSTS TO COME UP
WITH THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS.
SO WHERE DO WE END UP?
THE SIX ALTERNATIVES ARE SHOWN WITH THE ESTIMATED COST ON
THE RIGHT.
ALTERNATIVE ONE WAS FULLY RECLAIMED FOR 12.
FULLY REPLICA ALTERNATIVE TWO, 11.2.
RECLAIMED INSIDE.
REPLICA ON THE CROSSWALKS.
4.3.
REPLICA CROSSWALKS AT ABOUT 6.
EXCUSE ME, REPLICA INTERSECTIONS ARE 6.
REPLICA ONLY 1.3.
AND YBOR WERE BRICK FOR TWO BLOCKS ESTIMATED AT 10.3.
ANOTHER PART OF THIS IS HOW DO WE PAY FOR THIS, CHRIS EVEN
IF?
WHAT ARE SOME OPPORTUNITIES?
THE TEAM LOOKED AT OVER 80 GRANT OPPORTUNITIES IN
TRANSPORTATION AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
UNFORTUNATELY, MOST OF THOSE ARE FOR SAFETY, FOR TRANSIT AND
A LOT OF MONEY FOR ELECTRIC CHARGING ALL OF A SUDDEN.
THEY DON'T APPLY UNFORTUNATELY TO THE CORRIDOR.
BUT WE FOUND THREE THAT DO HAVE POTENTIAL.
THE TWO BEST ARE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE GRANT
FUNDS.
ONE CALLED MAIN STREET GRANTS.
IT IS FOR DESIGN SO OBVIOUSLY FOR ENGINEERING PHASE.
THEY MATCH UP TO $50,000.
DOLLAR-FOR-DOLLAR.
ALSO APPLY TO THE CONSTRUCTIONSHIP GRANT UP TO $500,000,
DOLLAR-FOR-DOLLAR, SO GO AFTER BOTH.
WHEN I TALKED TO THEIR OFFICE, THEY SAID THEY WOULD
ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO AFTER BOTH ACTUALLY.
THAT IS GOOD NEWS.
THE OTHER GOOD THING WAS, RESILIENT FLORIDA HAS A LOT OF
MONEY COMING IN.
TAMPA IS DOING REALLY GREAT WORK WITH RESILIENCY.
AND SO, WE CAN GO AFTER THAT.
THE ONLY CAVEAT, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE INCLUDE WATER
QUALITY AND STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS.
MAYBE GET A LITTLE MORE CREATIVE WHAT IS OUT THERE RIGHT
NOW.
PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE ENGINEERING AND ABLE TO GET A LARGER
GRANT.
$2 MILLION DOLLAR-FOR-DOLLAR.
WE HAVE TO SHOW STORMWATER AND WATER QUALITY IMPROVEMENTS
WITH THE PROJECT.
SO WHERE DO WE END UP?
WE MET WITH THE CAC TWICE.
ONCE IN OCTOBER AND ONE IN JANUARY.
WENT ROUND AND ROUND BUT THE ONUS THEY WANTED THE ENTIRE
CORRIDOR BRICKED AND LOOKING AS HISTORIC AS POSSIBLE.
SO I COME TO YOU WITH TWO ALTERNATIVES.
ALTERNATIVE ONE THEY REALLY LIKED AND ALTERNATIVE SIX.
ALTERNATIVE ONE IS RECLAIMED BRICK SINCE WE DON'T HAVE
ENOUGH YBOR FOR THE WHOLE CORRIDOR TO DO THE WHOLE THING.
OBVIOUSLY THIS WILL GIVE THE MOST HISTORIC FEEL FOR THE
CORRIDOR.
LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE ISSUE IS GETTING THE FULL
QUALITY OF ONE TYPE OF BRICK.
WE MAY HAVE TO STOCKPILE OR ORDER THE BRICK IN PHASES.
ALTERNATIVE TO THAT THE YBOR BRICK OPTION ALTERNATIVE 6 THAT
WE HAVE ENOUGH YBOR BRICK TO DO THE TWO BLOCKS RIGHT NOW AND
REPLICA BRICK ORDERED IN ONE ORDER.
CAN BE DONE WITH ONE PROJECT.
THE COST A LITTLE BIT LESS 10.3 INSTEAD OF 12 AND MAKE IT
LOOK AND FEEL -- MAKE IT LOOK AND FEEL OLD AS WE TALKED
ABOUT HOW THEY MAKE BRICKS LOOK OLDER.
WITH THAT I'M HERE FOR QUESTIONS.
10:21:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
10:21:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THE MOST IN-DEPTH PRESENTATION I EVER SEEN REGARDING
REBRICKING THE STREETS IN YBOR.
I BROUGHT THIS UP IN CONVERSATION AT THE TROPICANA IN YBOR
WHEN IT WAS THERE 2015, 2016.
AND.
IT IS A NAME IN THE NUCCIO ADMINISTRATION THAT THEY PULLED
UP ALL THE BRICK AND PUT ASPHALT.
I WISH THEY WOULD HAVE PUT ASPHALT OVER THE BRICK WHICH WE
HAVE SEEN IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE
SUCH COMPLICATIONS AND THE COST.
BECAUSE I KNOW YOU CAN MILL ASPHALT, AT LEAST TRY TO
PRESERVE WHAT IS UNDERNEATH.
I KNOW THAT IN PAST ADMINISTRATIONS, A LOT OF OUR BRICKS
WERE SOLD TO WINTER PARK.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WINTER PARK HAS IN THEIR STOCKPILE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CALL THEM AND ASK THEM TO PIE THEM BACK.
THEY USED A LOT.
I HAVE BEEN OUT THERE AND YOU HAVE SEEN THE AUGUSTA BLOCK.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT WAS OR NOT, BUT BRICKS YOU SEE IN
THE STREETS MAY HAVE BEEN BRICKS FROM YBOR CITY.
WE DON'T KNOW.
WE ARE AT THIS POINT WITHIN THIS NATIONAL HISTORIC LANDMARK
DISTRICT BECAUSE THIS IS WITHIN THE MOST IMPORTANT CORRIDOR
WHICH IS 7th AVENUE.
BUT I ALWAYS BELIEVED IN ORIGINALITY, YOU KNOW OR THE PATINA
OR HOW SOMETHING AGES AND ADDS TO THE BEAUTY.
IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE 30,000 SOMETHING SQUARE FEET OF BRICK
IN OUR SUPPLY AND NEED 170,000 OR WHATEVER SQUARE FEET.
WE HAVE OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY WITH BRICK ROADS.
WE DON'T WANT TO DEPLETE OUR EXISTING SUPPLY.
WE HAVE GIVEN A LOT AWAY.
WE SOLD A LOT.
WE NEED TO MAINTAIN THE ORIGINAL.
HOWEVER, I HAVE NEVER SEEN THE COMPARISON OF ORIGINAL BRICK
AND THEN REPLICA BRICK AND HOW THEY AGE IT AND HOW THEY AGE
THE EDGES.
AND HOW THEY DO THE COLOR MATCHING AND THE COLOR CHANGES.
I THINK -- THIS IS JUST MY PERSONAL BEEN.
IF WE WERE TO DO REPLICA ROUTE, WHAT IS NICE IS THE
BRANDING.
YBOR CITY 1885, GOING TO 1886 AS THE ACTUAL FOUNDING YEAR.
TODAY IS THE ANNIVERSARY OF THE FIRST CIGAR BORN IN YBOR
CITY.
10:23:50AM >> OH, HAPPY ANNIVERSARY.
10:23:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYWAY, I LIKE THAT.
I LIKE THE REPLICA BRICK WITH THE BRANDING -- BECAUSE AGAIN
THE BRANDING OF YBOR CITY.
I KNOW IT IS NOT ORIGINAL, BUT IT IS CONVINCING.
IT IS CHEAPER.
IT IS CONSISTENT ALL THROUGHOUT.
AND WE GET THAT SAME FEEL.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE THOSE GRANITE CURBS LIKE WE DID
BECAUSE UPDATES IN THE '90s ON YBOR AND 7th AVENUE.
NOT HAVE THE STREETCAR TRACK THAT RAN DOWN THE MIDDLE.
HOWEVER, I THINK IT MATCHES OR CLOSELY MATCHES THE CHARACTER
OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE HAVE THE BRICK LOOK.
EASIER AND CHEAPER MAINTENANCE.
A CHEAPER COST.
IF YOU SAY UNDER $2 MILLION DIFFERENCE, IT IS A EASIER TASK
TO UNDER TAKE.
AND FOR MAINTENANCE FOR REPLACEMENT IN THE FUTURE, WE HAVE
EXISTING MANUFACTURERS THAT WE CAN BUY DIRECTLY FROM FOR ANY
MAJOR ISSUES.
ANOTHER THING IS, STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS, I THINK, WERE
MENTIONED THERE REGARDING THE MATCHING GRANTS.
WHEN YOU HAVE BRICK, IT IS MORE OF A PERVIOUS SURFACE.
NOT PERFECT, BUT, YOU KNOW, GAPS BETWEEN THE BRICKS AND
ALLOW FOR DRAINAGE TO BE A LITTLE EASIER THAN TRADITIONAL
ASPHALT.
SO, THANK YOU FOR THIS.
A CONSERVATION I HAD A LONG TIME AGO.
AND AN ESTIMATE I GOT WAS $4 TO $5 MILLION.
OH, THE ENTIRE CITY PAVING BUDGET IT WILL COST TO DO THIS.
HOWEVER, WE ARE IN THE CRA, SO WE CAN LOOK AT CRA FUNDS AND
MATCHING GRANTS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT AND WE CAN TRY TO
REDUCE THE COST AND THE BURDEN WHILE MAINTAINING THIS
HISTORIC -- VERY IMPORTANT HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THIS
NEIGHBORHOOD.
A MOVIE DONE A FEW YEARS AGO CALLED "LIVE BY NIGHT."
IT WASN'T FILMED IN YBOR CITY.
IT WAS FILMED IN BRUNSWICK, GEORGIA.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST MISTAKES WHEN THEY SAW YBOR CITY, IT WAS
DIRT ROADS.
TEE BORE CITY WAS DIRT ROAD IN THE 1880s I BELIEVE EVEN
BEFORE -- BEFORE THEY STARTED BRICK.
THE BRICKS ARE SO SIGNIFICANT AND IMPORTANT TO THE CHARACTER
OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THIS WAS VERY DETAILED.
GREAT WORK.
AND I APPRECIATE ALL THAT.
THANK YOU.
10:26:07AM >> THANK YOU.
10:26:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:26:10AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
I AM NOT AN EXPERT ON BRICKS, BUT I WAS ON THE COUNCIL WHEN
THE EXODUS OF BRICKS SOLD TO WINTER HAVEN AND WINTER GARDEN, AND
WE STOPPED THAT NO WAY.
NO MORE.
DIFFERENCE IN THE WAIVE OF THE BRICK.
37 THE BRICK AND THE BRICKS THAT ARE HERE NOW.
I WOULD SEE -- I COULD HARDLY PICK IT UP WHEN I WAS A
TEENAGER.
I MEAN THEY WEIGHED A LOT.
I GUESS IT WAS ABOUT THREE AND A HALF INCHES.
I AM NOT CERTAIN.
AND THEY HAD A NAME ON IT THAT HAD SOMETHING ON IT THAT I
DON'T RECALL WHAT IT WAS, BUT I REMEMBER SOMETHING BEING ON
THEM.
WHY DID THEY LAST SO LONG?
WE THINK THE BRICKS WERE BETTER.
MAYBE THEY WERE.
LET'S FACE REALITY.
DURING THAT WE ARE -- YOU HAD STREETCARS.
NOT RUNNING ON THE BRICKS, RUNNING ON THE RAILS.
A LOT OF AUTOMOBILES BUT NOT AS MANY AS WE HAVE NOW.
AND THEY WERE WHAT?
MUCH LIGHTER.
YOU HAD TO CRANK THEM UP BY YOURSELF WITH THE HAND THING.
THAT WAS YOUR CRANK.
AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE AUTOMATIC STARTERS AT THAT TIME.
CAME IN '30s AND '40s AND ALL THESE THINGS CAME ABOUT.
SO THE STREETS WERE FAIRLY WELL-KEPT WITHOUT MAINTENANCE TO
ANY DEGREE.
BECAUSE THE VEHICLES WERE MUCH LIGHTER.
DIDN'T HAVE SEMIS COMING THROUGH YBOR CITY LIKE YOU DO NOW
AND STORE HAS IN ARE OPERATING AS A BUSINESS.
THEY ARE DOING GOOD AND THESE ARE THE THINGS I SEE.
MYSELF, I AM THINKING, SELF, HAVE YOU LOOKED SOMEWHERE ELSE.
WHAT COUNTRIES HAVE BRICKS THAT STILL MANUFACTURE THEM.
IS IT MEXICO?
IS IT COLUMBIA?
IS IT NICARAGUA.
OR SOMEWHERE ELSE THIS IN THE WORLD.
WHEN YOU HAVE BRICKS, THEY MAY NOT HAVE THE SAME COLORATION.
YOU SHOULD BUY ALL THE BRICKS IF YOU CAN, APPROXIMATELY
170,000 THAT YOU NEED FOR THAT.
I AM NOT AN EXPERT.
I DON'T PLAN TO BE.
BUT I DID KNOW THE FAMILY CALLED KELLY BRICK COMPANY.
THEY WERE OUT OF NEW NEW JERSEY.
YOU KNOW WAS HIS TWO DOLLARS?
10:28:21AM >> WHO?
10:28:23AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ELIZABETH KELLY AND WHO WAS THE ACTRESS,
GRACE KELLY.
AND HAD THE HONOR OF WORKING WITH ONE OF THEIR HUSBAND.
HE DID THE SAME THING I DID.
HE JUDGED HORSE RACING IN THE STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA.
SO I USED TO VISIT THEM QUITE OFTEN, ONCE IN A WHILE -- NOT
OFTEN, BUT ONCE IN AT THAT WHILE.
THEY WOULD COME HERE AND GRACE KELLY'S SISTER.
YOU KNOW WHAT SHE LIKED TO EAT AT?
THE PANCAKE HOUSE.
WE USED TO GO TO THE PANCAKE HOUSE.
THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I REMEMBER.
VERY NICE PEOPLE.
VERY DOWN TO EARTH.
I NEVER ASKED HER WHAT KIND OF BRICKS HER FATHER
MANUFACTURED.
BUT I KNOW OTHER COMPANIES THAT MANUFACTURE BRICKS SOMEWHERE
IN THIS GREAT COUNTRY.
AGAIN I'M NOT TRYING TO ASK YOU OR ANYONE WHAT TO DO, BUT I
WOULD TRY TO GET SOMETHING THAT MATCHES THE WHOLE THEY THINK
AT ONCE.
IT MAY BE PRODUCTION OF SO MANY, BUT THE PRODUCTION MILL
HAVEN'T CHANGED.
BECAUSE ONCE IT CHANGES, YOU WILL HAVE COLOR
DIFFERENTIATIONS TO SOME DEGREE AND WILL SHOW -- NOT WHEN
YOU BUY THEM BUT WHEN YOU INSTALL THEM.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY LASTED SO LONG.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE WEIGHT THAT THESE BRICKS HAVE.
AND IN FACT, YBOR CITY IS ONE OF THE HIGHEST LOCATIONS IN
THE CITY OF TAMPA, ELEVATION-WISE.
IF IT FLOODS HERE, IT MAY NOT FLOOD THERE.
THANK GOD.
I HOPE IT DOESN'T FLOOD ANYWHERE.
THESE ARE THE THINGS I REMEMBER.
AND I HAVE ONE BRICK AT THE HOUSE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS FROM.
I REMEMBER HAVING ONE BRICK AND I AM GOING TO TRY TO FIND
IT.
BUT FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.
YOUR QUESTIONS AND DEMEANOR, THE WAY YOU PRESENT YOURSELF,
CHRISTINA, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
YOU CAN HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT IN LIFE, BUT YOU CAN'T FORGET
WHERE YOU COME FROM, ALL OF US.
NOT ME.
ALL OF US.
WHAT WAS THERE.
HOW IT WAS THERE.
AND WHAT DID THE PEOPLE DO WHAT WE DO NOW THAT WE CAN'T LIVE
WITHOUT THIS.
IT WASN'T INVENTED.
THEY WERE ENJOYING LIFE AS IT WAS NATURALLY.
WE THINK A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE BUY.
MOST OF IT IS FAKE.
IT IS NOT MADE HERE.
IT IS LOW QUALITY.
AND ALL THESE RINGS THAT I WEAR THAT LOOK NICE.
THEY ARE NOT REAL.
I COULDN'T AFFORD THE RINGS THAT I HAVE THAT ARE REAL.
SO I AM TELLING YOU, BUY THE BRICKS THAT ARE GOOD.
EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO PAY A COUPLE OF PENNIES MORE BECAUSE
THEY WILL LAST LONGER.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.
10:30:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
10:30:53AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PROJECT, AND I
APPRECIATE MY COLLEAGUES' LEADERSHIP.
WHOEVER HAVE LED THIS IN THE PAST.
WHEN I HEARD THE IDEA I HAVE BEEN PUSHING FOR IT AS WELL.
CAN I ASK YOU REAL FAST, YOUR COMPANY, CAN YOU TELL US --
TELL US WHAT YOUR -- I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE WORLDWIDE, BUT WHAT
-- WHAT ARE SOME OF YOUR EXPERIENCE IN FLORIDA OAR IN THE
UNITED STATES OR MAYBE SOME OTHER PLACES ON BRICKING.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE DIRECT EXPERIENCE ON THIS IN OTHER PLACES?
10:31:24AM >> TO, BRICKING IS LIKE COMING BACK, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
THE WSP IS AN INTERNATIONAL ENGINEERING FIRM.
CIVIL ENGINEERING.
I AM PERSONALLY A CIVIL ENGINEER IN FLORIDA.
DOING IT 23 YEARS.
COMPLETE WORK AND ROADWAY DESIGN AND SIDEWALK WALKABILITY,
BUT NOT A LOT OF BRICKING TO YOUR -- BUT OUR COMPANY HAS A
CONSTRUCTION WING AND I WAS TIME PARTNER ON THEM WITH
CONSTRUCTABILITY.
10:31:56AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CITIES OFF THE TOP OF WHY YOU ARE HEAD.
HAVE YOU CON CARTAGENA OR OTHERS.
10:32:06AM >> I WILL HAVE TO ASK THAT.
10:32:10AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ST. AUGUSTINE, DID YOU WORK ON THAT?
10:32:13AM >> WE DID NOT WORK ON THAT, NO.
10:32:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE ST. AUGUSTINE ONE, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE.
THEY HAVE PARTS THIS THEY USED NEW BRICK AND MADE COMPLETE
STREETS OUT OF IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE SEEN IT.
I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD QUITE WORK HERE, BUT ANOTHER IDEA
WHERE PART OF THE PROBLEM ON 7th AVENUE IS SPEEDING.
WHEN THE BRICKS ARE THERE, PEOPLE SLOW DOWN.
THE OTHER PROBLEM IS SOUND.
THEY LIKE TO SHARE THEIR MUSIC WITH US ALL.
AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME IDEA EMBEDDED IN THAT TO BE ABLE TO
HELP.
BUT THE OTHER THING THAT HAPPENS WITH ST. AUGUSTINE.
THAT TOURISTS LIKE TO STEAL THE BRICKS.
LIKE AT NIGHT THEY GO AND DIG THEM OUT.
ONE CONCERN WITH THE BRANDING OF THEM.
PEOPLE WILL START STEALING THEM AS SOUVENIRS.
RUN THE VISITOR CENTER SO WE ARE SELLING THEM SO PEOPLE JUST
DON'T STEAL THEM.
A BIG DEVELOPER IN YBOR HAS A WHOLE STOCKPILE OF BRICKS.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS GOING TO SELL THEM.
DID YOU INCORPORATE THAT INTO YOU ARE IN NUMBERS.
10:33:20AM >> I SPOKE TO THE DEVELOPER PRETTY MUCH A MONTH AGO, AND HE
MENTIONED HE WAS VERY IN FAVOR OF THE SALVAGED BRICKS TO
YOUR POINT.
AND HE WAS KIND OF TAKING IT ON HIS OWN.
10:33:30AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HE WAS FIGURING JUST FROM THE PLACE HE
BOUGHT IT FROM, THE CITY STOCKPILE, WHAT HE HAD ALREADY AND
THE PLACES HE BOUGHT IT FROM, ENOUGH BRICKS FOR ABOUT TEN
BLOCKS.
AND I DON'T KNOW THE PRICE OF ALL THAT.
BUT ANYWAY, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
AND THEN GUIDO ANSWERED MY QUESTION, NO BRICK UNDER THE
ASPHALT?
10:33:54AM >> WE DID AN INVESTIGATION, AND UNFORTUNATELY NO.
10:33:56AM >>BILL CARLSON:
OKAY.
THE OTHER THING AS KIND OF AN ASIDE, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO I
TOLD JEAN DUNCAN, MAYOR KRISMAN WAS LOOKING TO BUY A PIECE
OF EQUIPMENT.
AND WANTED TO SHEAR THE COST WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE DID THAT, BUT IF WE DIDN'T, I WANT TO
LOOK INTO IT.
BECAUSE THERE COULD BE MORE BRICKS THAT WE ARE LOSING THAT
WE COULD HAVE SALVAGED HOW WE HAD THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT
AND USE IT FOR THAT PURPOSE, MAYBE THE CRA CAN PAY FOR IT.
SOMEBODY WATCHING -- VIK OR SOMEBODY CAN THINK ABOUT THAT.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO YOUR CONCLUSION PAGE WITH ALTERNATIVE ONE
AND SIX.
I WAS THINKING WHEN YOU WENT THROUGH THE ALTERNATIVES -- THE
FIRST TIME I HAVE SEEN THIS PRESENTATION.
BUT THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT I WOULD PICK TWO.
10:34:49AM >> CAN WE GO BACK ON THE POWERPOINT.
10:34:54AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MY ALTERNATIVES WILL BE ONE OR SIX.
MY FIRST PREFERENCE -- MY FIRST PREFERENCE ALTERNATIVE ONE
WHICH IS HISTORIC.
SECOND TO USE AS MANY HISTORIC BRIDGES THAT WE CAN.
WE HAVE TEN BLOCKS' WORTH AND WE CAN PUT THE OTHER ONES IN.
THE IDEA OF USING FOR WATER STORAGE OR PERCOLATION IS GOOD.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH EXTRA THAT WILL COST.
BUT FLOODING WILL BE A BIG PART OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE
CITY AND EVEN IF WE BROKE EVEN WITH WHATEVER GRANTS WE HAVE,
A GREAT IDEA TO PREVENT FLOODING IN YBOR.
AND THEN -- AS TO THE BRANDING OF IT.
FOR -- PARTLY FOR THE REASON I MENTIONED I THINK WE OUGHT TO
BE VERY CAREFUL OF HOW WE BRAND IT, BECAUSE IF IT HAS AN
YBOR LOGO WITH YBOR WRITTEN ON IT.
A LOT MORE WILL BE STOLEN.
ALSO I THINK -- BECAUSE THERE WILL BE SO MANY NEEDS TO BE
NOT TACKY LIKE THAT.
WHAT I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS THE -- THE
PATENT OR TRADEMARK ON THE YBOR CITY LAMPS.
SO THERE CAN BE SOME MORE SUBTLE ABSTRACT THING LIKE THE TOP
OF THE LAMPS OR SOMETHING WE COULD USE OR HISTORIC NAME.
SOME OF THEM SAY "AUGUSTA" ON THEM.
ANOTHER YBOR NAME THAT WE CAN USE KIND OF OUR OWN BRAND THAT
DOESN'T JUST CALL IT YBOR.
WOULD RECOMMEND DOING SOMETHING MORE SUBTLE THAT DOESN'T
LOOK SO IN YOUR FACE.
I HAVE BEEN TO A LOT OF CITIES WITH BRICKS, AND I HAVEN'T
SEEN ANYBODY BRAND IT LIKE DEEP OR OLD SAN JUAN.
I DON'T SEE THAT LOGO.
THAT WILL FEEL LIKE DISNEY THAN SOMETHING AUTHENTIC.
INSTEAD OF "AUGUSTA" SOME HISTORIC NAME WE CAN USE AS OUR
BRAND OR USE SOME ABSTRACT SIGNAL BUT NOT LOOK LIKE
SOMETHING IN A TOURIST SHOP.
THE LAST THING -- I SAID THIS BEFORE, YBOR IN TEN YEARS BE
THE BEST CASE STUDY.
INNOVATION, CREATIVITY, THE ARTS SCENES THEY ARE WORKING ON.
I THINK IT WILL BE THE CASE STUDY THAT OTHER CITIES WILL
LOOK AT FOR HOW TO NOT JUST REDEVELOP, BUT HOW TO CREATE,
DEVELOP A REALLY THRIVING ECONOMY THAT STEPS AHEAD OF AI AND
ALL OF NEW TECHNOLOGIES.
THANK YOU.
10:37:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CITRO.
10:37:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WILL DEFER TO THE COUNCILMAN.
10:37:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:37:33AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FOLLOWING THE COLLEAGUES THAT JUST SPOKE,
MR. CARLSON, SOME THINGS THAT COME TO MIND.
THE NEW DEVELOPMENT GOING TO HAVE OVER 50 ACRES FROM
NEBRASKA TO PALM AVENUE.
THAT AREA WILL LOOK BEAUTIFUL.
ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE BRICK STREETS?
I'M JUST ASKING A QUESTION.
10:37:52AM >> I WOULD LIKE TO ASK COURTNEY.
NO?
SOUNDS LIKE STAFF IS NOT AWARE THAT THAT IS ACQUIRED.
10:38:01AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MAYBE SOMEBODY SHOULD HAVE SOME
CONNECTION BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED YBOR CITY.
10:38:07AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
INTERIM DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
I HAVE SPOKEN TO THE LANDOWNER TO HAVE -- NOT ALL BUT SOME
BRICK STREETS TO SHOW CONTINUITY.
WHEN THEY ARE DOING THE SIDEWALKS WHETHER THE SIDEWALKS HAVE
A BRICK LINING JUST TO SHOW SOME CONNECTION IF WE EXPECT DO
BRICKS.
WE HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH THAT --
10:38:34AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I KNOW YOU ARE ALWAYS TWO OR THREE STEPS
AHEAD OF ME, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:38:39AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
YOU ARE WELCOME.
10:38:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MR. CARLSON IS CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT
SOME OF THE BRICKS MAY BE STOLEN WHICH IS A POSSIBILITY.
I THINK WE CAN MAKE A DEAL OUT OF IT.
MAKE FAKE BRICKS AND SELL THEM AS SOUVENIRS TO PAY FOR THE
NEW BRICKS THAT WE ARE GOING TO LAY DOWN.
THAT IS HOW YOU DO THAT KIND OF BUSINESS.
WHEN YOU ARE RAISED LIKE MR. GUDES AND I, YOU MAKE THESE
THINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
HOW DO WE GET THIS DONE.
AND YOU REMEMBER HOW THAT WAS?
SO WE USED TO PICK UP BOTTLES FOR $.05 TO GET SOMETHING FOR
FREE.
THAT IS HOW IT WAS.
I WAS THINKING THAT WAY.
AN IDEA OUT OF MR. CARLSON'S CONCERNS.
WE WILL MAKE BRICKS, 2,000 TO START WITH.
SEE IF IT GOES.
AND WHEN THEY COME BACK AND BRING ALL THE TOURISTS INTO TOWN
AND STREET CARS ARE RUNNING, SELL THEM AND MAKE $8 AND PAY
FOR THE NEW BRICKS COMING IN.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE KIND OF DEGREE.
I KNOW YOU DO.
NOT IN STEALING BUT SELLING.
AND THIS OPPORTUNITY AND GIVING YOU AN IDEA HOW TO PAY FOR
IT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
HAVE A NICE DAY.
10:39:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CITRO.
10:39:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
CAN YOU BRING YOUR SLIDE OF HOW THE LAYOUT OF THE BRICKS ARE
GOING TO BE?
PERFECT.
THEY ARE GOING TO BE LAID ON THE NINE INCHES OF CONCRETE
PAVEMENT, CORRECT?
10:40:02AM >> YES, THE CRUSHED CONCRETE.
10:40:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, MA'AM, AS THE BASIS.
OKAY.
THIS IS A WONDERFUL PROJECT.
I SAW YOUR PRESENTATION THE FIRST TIME AT THE YCDC.
AND IT WAS EVEN GREAT THEN.
I CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS TO HAPPEN.
NOT THAT I AM WANTING TO CUT COSTS, BUT SO WE CAN MAKE IT A
LITTLE BIT MORE AFFORDABLE AND FOR A.D.A. COMPLIANCE AT THE
STREET CAR -- AT THE STREET CROSSINGS, CAN'T WE LAY DOWN --
I DON'T WANT TO SAY IMITATION, BUT THE MODERN BRICKS SO THAT
THE PEOPLE WITH A.D.A. OR THE WHEELCHAIR OR WALKING PROBLEMS
CAN HAVE A SMOOTHER PLACE TO WALK ACROSS THE STREETS.
THAT IS ONE CONCEPT.
ONE THOUGHT.
THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
AGAIN, IT IS EVEN BETTER THE SECOND TIME AROUND AFTER IT WAS
PRESENTED IN THE YDYC.
10:40:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
10:40:58AM >> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
10:41:00AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
WELL HELLO, AGAIN.
10:41:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HELLO.
10:41:12AM >>Nick:
TWO THINGS FOR YOU TODAY.
WE NEED A MOTION TO FORMALLY CANCEL THE JUNE 8 CRA MEETING.
IT WILL BE -- YOU HAVE ALREADY APPROVED HAVING YOUR WORKSHOP
ON THE JUNE 8 MEETING.
RIGHT NOW WE ARE WORKING TO LOCK IN THE JULIAN B. LANE
CENTER TO HAVE THAT WORKSHOP.
TO TAKE THE REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING OFF THE CALENDAR WE
NEED A MOTION.
10:41:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE A COUPLE OF MOTIONS.
MOTION TO CANCEL THE CRA MEETING SCHEDULED FOR JUNE 8, 2023
AT 9 A.M.
AND IN ITS PLEAS, SCHEDULING A SPECIAL CRA MEETING AND
WORKSHOP FOR FUTURE CRA PLANNING PURPOSES INSTEAD ON THE
SAME DATE JUNE 8, 2023 AT 9 A.M.
THIS SPECIAL CRA MEETING AT THE RIVER CENTER JULIAN LEAN
PARK.
10:42:10AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
10:42:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECURING THE LOCATION AS MENTIONED.
10:42:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
A MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
ANY CONVERSATION?
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
THANK YOU.
10:42:25AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
AND ALSO, IN OUR SEARCH FOR AN ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, WE HAVE BEEN DOING SOME INTERVIEWS.
AND I -- MR. DRUMGO AND I HAVE INTERVIEWED A CANDIDATE WE
THINK WILL BE SUITABLE -- NOT SUITABLE -- BETTER THAN
SUITABLE.
PRETTY SAW SOME TO BE OUR CRA DIRECTOR AND ASKING FOR YOUR
EXPRESS AUTHORIZATION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT HIRE.
WE EXTENDED AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO MEET THE PERSON.
AND I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO GIVE ME THE AUTHORIZATION TO
MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, PLEASE.
10:43:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
10:43:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND FOR DISCUSSION.
10:43:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
DISCUSSION.
10:43:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU WANT A MOTION TO APPROVE THE HIRING
OF THIS INDIVIDUAL?
10:43:20AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
THE MOTION FOR YOU TO GIVE ME THE
AUTHORIZATION TO HIRE YOUR CRA DIRECTOR.
10:43:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
SECOND, YES.
10:43:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ANY DISCUSSION?
OKAY.
BOARD MEMBER GUDES.
10:43:34AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM GOING -- I AM GOING TO SUPPORT IT.
I MET THE YOUNG LADY.
MR. DRUMGO AND MISS TRAVIS SEEM VERY HIGH ON THIS
INDIVIDUAL.
AGAIN, I WILL ASK MR. DRUMGO TO GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND TO
THE COMMUNITY WHY WE KNOW THIS PROCESS, NOT LIKE THE OTHER
PROCESS.
AND ALSO THE INDIVIDUAL IN QUESTION THAT IS LOOKING FOR THIS
VOTE WAS IN THAT PROCESS.
BUT WAS LACKING ONE THING THAT YOU THOUGHT.
BUT NOW LOOKING BACK WHAT WE NEED, YOU FEEL THAT PERSON --
YOU GIVE THAT TO THE COMMUNITY AND WHY WE ARE MOVING FORWARD
THIS PARTICULARLY WITHOUT THE PROCESS WE HAD LAST TIME.
I THINK THAT IS FAIR BEFORE THE VOTE IS TAKEN.
10:44:15AM >> MY APOLOGIES, I TYPICALLY DON'T COME UP ON SIDE OF HER ON
THE MICROPHONE, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR ALIS DRUMGO,
DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
AS YOU MENTIONED, COUNCILMAN, THE CANDIDATE WAS IN THE
PREVIOUS POOL WHEN WE SEARCHED FOR THE CRA DIRECTOR AND YOU
HAD VERY CLEAR CRITERIA FOR US WHAT YOU WANTED.
ONE OF THOSE CRITERIA WAS A FRA.
THE FLORIDA REDEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATION CERTIFICATION.
AND SO THAT PLACED HER AT THE TOP OF YOUR -- YOUR NEXT LEVEL
OF CANDIDATES THAT DID NOT HAVE THAT CERTIFICATION OR THAT
LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE.
BUT THE CANDIDATE HAS ALWAYS THE OTHER INGREDIENTS THAT YOU
ALL ARE LOOKING FOR.
WHEN YOU TALK OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, THE WOULD, IN
THE COMMUNITY AND LEADING PROGRAMS AND PROJECTS AND MANAGING
STAFF AND MANAGING THROUGH CHANGE IN THE PLANS WE HAVE IN
PLACE.
REALLY THAT CANDIDATE WAS IN THE POOL.
IT IS NOT -- IT IS NOT AN OUTSIDE PROCESS WE ARE SEPARATE
AND APART FROM.
THE CANDIDATE IN THE POOL FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR
AND FOR US, A LEVEL OF FIT IN WHERE WE CAN MAXIMIZE THE
TALENT AND POTENTIAL AND WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY BRING THAT
PERSON IN.
YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, A LOT PEOPLE WHO SAY PUBLIC
SERVANTS.
THEY WANT TO BE PUBLIC SERVANTS DECENT UNDERSTAND THE THINGS
THAT COME WITH THAT OR TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE LEVEL OF
FOLLOW-UP THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN WITH THE PUBLIC.
SO FOR ME IN GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND BRINGING THIS
PERSON FORWARD, IT WAS ENSURING THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE
THAT LEVEL OF FOLLOW-UP AND ENGAGEMENT THAT YOU ALL ARE
SEEKING AND THIS THE PUBLIC WOULD WANT ON THE BACK END.
YOU CAN'T REALLY TEACH GRIT.
YOU CAN'T TEACH THAT CORE HEART OF PUBLIC SERVICE AND SO
THAT IS WHAT WE -- THAT IS WHAT WE ARE BRINGING FORWARD FOR
YOU.
10:46:06AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ONE LAST THING SO THE PERSON KNOW THAT THIS
PERSON YOU ARE BRINGING FORWARD A LITTLE BIT OF THE
BACKGROUND.
KNOW WHERE THAT PERSON IS COMING FROM LAND GIVE A LITTLE
LIGHT ONLY SOME OF THE DECISIONS YOU MADE.
10:46:18AM >>ALIS DRUMGO:
SHE HAS EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH UNIVERSITY
AREA CAC IN OPERATIONS AND FACILITY.
MANAGED PROJECTS CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT, GRANT WRITING AND
GENERAL COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE -- ALL OF THE INGREDIENTS WITHOUT --
WITHOUT HAVING THE REQUIRED CERTIFICATION.
OVER A DECK DEAD OF EXPERIENCE IN THE WORK -- DECADE OF
EXPERIENCE IN THE WORK AND DOING WORK IN DISADVANTAGED
OPPORTUNITIES.
10:46:48AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THIS PERSON WAS THE NUMBER TWO PERSON IN
THAT UNIVERSITY AREA PROGRAM, THAT'S CORRECT?
10:46:54AM >>ALIS DRUMGO:
THAT IS ACCURATE.
YES, THEY HAVE BEEN WIDELY SUCCESSFUL IN THEIR WORK UP IN
THAT AREA.
OUR GOAL IS TO BRING SOME OF THAT ENERGY HERE AND TO GET
ANOTHER SET OF HANDS ON DECK SO WE CAN WORK THROUGH ALL THE
CHANGES AND THE REALIGNMENT THAT THIS BOARD HAS ASKED FOR.
10:47:11AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THE REASON I ASKED FOR THAT INFORMATION SO
THE PUBLIC CAN KNOW.
I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE UNIVERSITY AREA HOW THEY ARE DOING
AND HOW THEY ARE GROWING AND HOW THE CDC IS WORKING UP
THERE.
AND THE DIRECTOR WHO IS ACTUALLY RUNNING THAT PROGRAM UP
THERE.
SO THAT'S WHY WHEN I ASKED THE TOUGH QUESTIONS THE OTHER
DAY, IN MY INTERVIEW WITH THE YOUNG LADY, I WANTED TO MAKE
SURE THAT PERSON HAD TOUGH SKIN WITH SOME OF THE CRAs YOU
HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
COME FROM THAT AREA, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LITTLE TOUGH SKIN.
10:47:41AM >>ALIS DRUMGO:
ABSOLUTELY.
PEOPLE WANT TO LOOK IMPORTANT AND WEAR THE SUITS AND DO THE
JOB AND BE SEEN OUT IN PUBLIC IN THAT REGARD
IT IS VERY CLEAR WE ARE COMING TO ROLL UP OUR SLEEVES AND
GET INTO THIS WORK.
THANK YOU.
10:47:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
SORRY, MISS TRAVIS.
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
10:48:00AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT ORGANIZATION IS VERY IMPRESSIVE.
THE NUMBER ONE PERSON IS ONE OF THE MOST OUTSTANDING
ECONOMIC PEOPLE IN THE REGION.
AND THIS THE NUMBER TWO PERSON.
WE CAN'T GET THE NUMBER ONE PERSON.
BUT SOUND LIKE THE NUMBER TWO PERSON HAS HELPED A LOT WHAT
HAS HAPPENED THERE.
TO A FEW OF THE COMMENTS THAT CAME UP BEFORE, IF I HAD A
CHOICE BETWEEN A REALLY GOOD PERSON WHO KNOWS HOW TO BUILD
COMMUNITY AND SOMEBODY -- WHATEVER, I WOULD SAY
A PERSON WHO KNOWS HOW TO BUILD COMMUNITY.
WE GET INVITED TO GO TO THESE FRA -- WHATEVER THEY ARE
CALLED MEETINGS.
I SAT ON A COUPLE OF THEM BUT I DON'T CARE WHAT OTHER CITIES
IN FLORIDA ARE DOING.
I DON'T WANT TO POLL CITIES IN FLORIDA.
I WANT TO LEAPFROG AHEAD OF THEM AND DO BETTER THINGS AND I
ALWAYS ASK MORRIS, WHAT CAN WE DO WITHIN THE LAW.
BECAUSE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT BEST PRACTICES WORLDWIDE FOR
BUILDING A COMMUNITY AND THEN -- THEN FIGURE OUT WITHIN THE
LAW WHAT TO DO WITH NCRA.
WE SHOULDN'T BE COPYING WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING.
MOST CITIES ARE DEALING WITH REAL ESTATE.
BOARD MEMBER GUDES -- YOU SAY CRA, THIS IS A PROBLEM WITH
THE INITIALS PEOPLE FORGET WHAT IT MEANS.
THE FIRST WORD IS "COMMUNITY."
UNTIL FOUR YEARS AGO THEY FOCUS ON THE REDEVELOPMENT PART
AND THEY THINK REDEVELOPMENTS MEANS REAL ESTATE.
THERE ARE INFRASTRUCTURE THINGS WE CAN, NOT THAT IT NEEDS TO
BE A OEDIPUS COMPLEX, BUT HOW TO BUILD A SENSE OF COMMUNITY.
AND WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IN THE UNIVERSITY AREA.
IN THE UNIVERSITY AREA CDC, THEY HAVE GONE SO FAR NOT ONLY
UNDERSTAND COMMUNITY BUT LOOK AT THE SUBCULTURES.
PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT PARTS OF MEXICO THAT SPEAK INDIGENOUS
LANGUAGES AND HAVE PROGRAMS AROUND THE INDIGENOUS LANGUAGE
TO WORK WITH THEM.
IF WE HAVE PEOPLE ON OUR TEAM WHO UNDERSTAND THAT, THEY
UNDERSTAND THE NUANCE' OF YBOR CITY AND EAST TAMPA AND THE
OTHER COMPLEX COMMUNITIES THAT WE HAVE.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT THIS AREA -- UNIVERSITY CAC FOCUSES
ON RESULTS.
THEY ARE A NONPROFIT, SO THEY HAVE TO FOCUS ON RESULTS.
THEY LIVE OR DIE BY THE DONATIONS THEY GET.
THEY HAVE TO GET RESULTS.
SOMETIMES WE ARE ACCUSED OF BEING TOO BUREAUCRATIC AND
THINGS TAKE FOREVER TO DO EVEN WITH GOOD STAFF LIKE NICOLE.
WE NEED SOMEBODY WHO IS USE TO BOOTSTRAPPING AND GETTING
THINGS DONE.
SOMEBODY RESULTS-ORIENTED.
RUN AN ORGANIZATION WITH NOT ENOUGH RESOURCES AND HOW TO USE
MONEY EFFECTIVELY.
MONEY IS NOT UNLIMITED.
EVEN THOUGH THE CITY IS GIVING THESE DISTRICTS THE GIFT OF
THIS ADDITIONAL MONEY THAT THEY DON'T GET THE BENEFIT OF.
WE NEED TO BE GOOD CUSTODIAN AND KNOW THE VALUE OF THE
DOLLAR AND FOCUS ON IT.
THE MOST IMPORTANT I THINK THAT ALIS AND NICOLE ARE
RECOMMENDING THIS PERSON.
WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATION AND THE BACKGROUND AND THE
INTERVIEW, I WILL SUPPORT THIS.
THANK YOU.
10:51:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER VIERA.
10:51:16AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I APPRECIATE THAT.
I WILL ENTHUSIASTICALLY VOTE WHY HE.
I MET ON TUESDAY AND I WAS IMPRESSED.
A VERY WONDERFUL INDIVIDUAL.
AND AS WE SAID BEFORE, HER INVOLVEMENT WITH THE UADC, SUCH
AN AMAZING ORGANIZATION, IS SECOND TO NONE.
I THINK SHE WILL DO A GREAT JOB.
SHE SEEMS VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE, VERY IDEALISTIC, ETC.
AND WITH THE UADAC.
YOU TALK OF AN ORGANIZATION IN AN EFFORT THAT IS -- WE ARE
ALL IN PUBLIC SERVICE.
IMAGINE IF ONE OF US CREATED SOMETHING LIKE THE UADAC.
I THINK OF VICTOR CRIST AND THE AMAZING WORK HE HAS DONE
THERE.
FOR THAT TO BE A LEGACY AND OUR HATS OFF TO THAT.
THE GREAT WORK THAT THE UADAC DOES.
THE INDIVIDUAL IS GREAT AND WILL DO A GREAT JOB AND WE WILL
BE PARTNERING WITH HER TO SUPPORT THIS ENDEAVOR.
I AM PROUD TO BE A YES.
10:52:14AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
THANK YOU.
10:52:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
10:52:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
REAL QUICK.
I MET THE CANDIDATE THE OTHER DAY WITH ALIS.
VERY IMPRESSIVE.
VERY IMPRESSIVE RESUME.
I LOOKED IT OVER A FEW TIMES.
YOU KNOW FROM TAMPA, KNOWS THE COMMUNITY.
WORKING WITH GREAT ORGANIZATIONS AS HAVE BEEN MENTIONED.
I THINK SHE WILL BE A WONDERFUL ADDITION.
A LOT OF WORK TO DO.
HIT THE GROUND RUNNING.
THIS PERSON KNOWS HOW TO DO IT WORKING WITH BOTH OF YOU AND
EVERYBODY ELSE.
I THINK WE HAVE A VERY BRIGHT FUTURE AHEAD, ESPECIALLY WITH
ALL THE THINGS WE ARE GOING TO TACKLE.
THANK YOU.
10:52:51AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MADAM CHAIR.
10:52:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER GUDES.
10:52:56AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I KNOW THAT -- I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
KEEP IT MOVING.
I KNOW YOU ALREADY STARTED WHAT YOU CALL THE OPERATION
STRUCTURE.
WE ARE LOOKING AT PUTTING THAT IN PLAY BEFORE THE HIRE?
OR PUT IN PLACE DURING THAT PROCESS.
10:53:12AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
WE ARE GOING TO DO IT CONCURRENTLY.
THE LABOR MARKET IN YOUR PUBLIC MEETING AND PUBLIC
DISCUSSION DOESN'T ALLOW FOR ME TO WAIT TO MAKE THIS HIRE.
I NEED TO MAKE THE HIRE NOW.
SO THIS RESTRUCTURES IS -- IN ORDER.
YOU PUT IT THIS -- THIS CRA BOARD.
YOU HAVE TRUSTED US.
WE HAVE DONE THE WOULD.
YOU HAVE DONE A LOT OF HEAVY LIFTING AND HAVING HARD
CONVERSATIONS TO PUT THIS IN PLACE AND NOT FINISHED OR SET
UNTIL 18 MONTHS.
WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE HIRE NOW.
WE MADE THE CHARACTER AWARE OF THE RESTRUCTURE AND THE
VISION OF THIS BOARD AND HOW TO MOVE THAT.
WE WILL MAKE THAT OFFER SOON AND HOPEFULLY SHE WILL ACCEPT
THE POSITION.
THE RESTRUCTURING IS CONTINUING.
10:54:05AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IT IS KEY FOR THE MOMENT FOR THE EAST SIDE.
BRINGING EVERYBODY IN.
THOSE IDEAS ARE ALL THERE VERSUS SILOS.
10:54:13AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
100% MOVING FORWARD.
WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.
AS AN ASIDE, I DID THE PRESENTATION YOU GUYS VOTED TO
APPROVE ADDING CERTAIN POSITIONS.
WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL OF THAT RESTRUCTURE.
WE ARE PUTTING THAT IN PLACE AND WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT IT UNDER THE SERVICES AGREEMENT.
BUTS ALL IN PLAY.
MR. DRUMGO SAID IT IS HARD TO FIND -- YOU CAN'T TEACH GRIT.
WE WORKED TOGETHER BEFORE A SAYING IN THE CRA OFFICE, GRIT
DON'T QUIT.
YOU HAVE TO BE HUNGRY TO BE IN REDEVELOPMENT.
YOU HAVE TO WANT TO DO THE WORK.
IT WAS OUR MODEL.
WE HAD IT ON OUR BOARD AND OFFICE THAT GRIT DON'T QUIT.
SOMETIMES IT TAKES TWO YEARS TO GET A EASEMENT, YOU
CELEBRATE THAT.
SOMETIMES YOU HAVE HARD COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND OUTCOME FROM
THAT.
10:55:17AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU ALWAYS HEARD ME SAY THAT WORD, I AM
HUNGRY.
YOU GOT TO BE HUNGRY.
10:55:22AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
WE BELIEVE THAT THE CANDIDATE WE ARE ASKING
YOU TO ALLOW ME TO HIRE HAS THE GRIT AND HUNGER TO GET IN
THE STORM WITH US.
10:55:30AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRWOMAN.
10:55:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING HER AND TALKING
TO HER A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND A REALLY GREAT CONVERSATION
BECAUSE I CAME IN WITH -- WE WERE VERY HONEST WITH THE
CONVERSATION.
I LOVE THAT SHE HAD A THEY NOMINAL ANSWER FOR EVERY QUESTION
I HAD.
THERE WAS NO FEAR AND SHE SEEMS READY TO GET STARTED WHICH
IS INCREDIBLY EXCITING.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FROM BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
SECONDED FROM BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
OKAY.
LET'S DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
10:56:19AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
10:56:27AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
10:56:29AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
10:56:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
10:56:31AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
10:56:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
10:56:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
10:56:35AM >>CLERK:
MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:56:37AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
MR. DRUMGO AND I SINCERELY THANK YOU FOR
THAT SUPPORT.
NEXT UP, WE HAVE THE STAFF MONTHLY CRA ACTIVITIES REPORT.
THERE SHOULD BE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION FOR THAT.
I THINK MR. BURTON MAY BE UP FIRST.
10:56:55AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION RELATED TO THE
DECISION WE JUST MARRIED.
IF THIS PERSON COMES IN 30 DAYS OR SOMETHING, DOES THAT MEAN
THAT YOU AND ALIS ARE NOT INVOLVED AT THAT POINT?
DO YOU PHASE OUT?
10:57:11AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
WHAT IS THE PLAN?
10:57:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
DROP US AND RUN.
10:57:16AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
HOT, DROP AND ROLL.
NO WE ARE IN THIS.
ALREADY SET -- YOU HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR ON THE
RESTRUCTURE YOU WANT TO DO.
AND ANY CANDIDATE THAT -- ANY NEW HIRE WE ARE GOING TO BRING
IN.
WE CAN'T REASONABLY EXPECT THEM TO IMPLEMENT THOSE CHANGES.
SO MR. DRUMGO AND I WILL CONTINUE TO WORK ALONGSIDE THE CR
DIRECTOR TO IMPLEMENT THE CHANGE, BUT ALSO TO MAKE SURE THAT
THE CRA IS FUNCTIONING AND OPERATING IN THE DIRECTION YOU
HAVE PROVIDED.
SO THIS POSITION WILL REPORT TO YOU AS A CRA BOARD BUT
REPORTING TO MR. DRUMGO.
OUR FINGER IS ON THE PULSE.
WE ARE NOT LEAVING IN.
AND YOU CAN CONTINUE TO SEE US AND CALL US FOR ANYTHING.
10:58:02AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF I CAN ADD.
MY COLLEAGUES KNOW THAT FOUR YEARS AGO I WAS CONCERNED OF
THE INDEPENDENCE OF THE CRA AND WE SET IT UP TO BE MORE
INDEPENDENT.
AND THE MAYOR ADMINISTRATION WORKED WITH US TO DO THAT.
BUT THEN WHEN YOU TOOK OVER ON AN INTERIM BASIS, I WAS VERY
CONCERNED THAT WE WOULD LOSE OUR INDEPENDENCE.
UP WANT TO THANK YOU ALL AND THE MAYOR AND THE
ADMINISTRATION FOR ENABLING YOU TO WEAR MULTIPLE HATS AND TO
CONTINUE TO IT BE INDEPENDENT.
NONE OF THE DECISIONS WE MADE WERE ADVERSE TO THE
ADMINISTRATION.
BUT YOU HAVE SHOWN YOU ARE WILLING TO LISTEN TO US AND THE
COMMUNITY AND GET THINGS DONE.
I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S INDEPENDENCE IN DOING THAT.
THANK YOU.
10:58:46AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
THANK YOU, APPRECIATE IT.
JEFF.
10:58:50AM >>JEFF BURTON:
ONE SLIDE FOR ALL.
JEFF BURTON, URBAN CRA MANAGER.
FOR THE -- FOR THE CHANNEL DISTRICT IN THE DOWNTOWN, WE HAVE
THE RIVER WALK BENEFICIAL BRIDGE STUDY THAT YOU ARE GOING TO
VOTE ON TODAY.
A JOINT PARTNERSHIP TO LOOK AT THE INTERSECTION OF THOSE
TWO.
JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, CHANNEL DISTRICT WILL CARRY THE WEIGHT
OF THAT, BECAUSE THE BRIDGE ITSELF IS IN THE CHANNEL
DISTRICT BUT THE LANDING ON THE DOWNTOWN SIDE IS IN THE
DOWNTOWN CRA.
DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT PLAN UPDATE.
WE LEARNED THIS LAST MONTH THAT IT WILL BE COMPLETED NO
LATER THAN 2024.
THE UPDATE TO YOUR OLDER CRA PLAN FOR THE DOWNTOWN.
WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF THAT.
THERE WILL BE A NUMBER OF MEETINGS HAPPENING WITH
STAKEHOLDERS AND PUBLIC MEETINGS TO DISCUSS DIFFERENT TYPES
OF REDEVELOPMENT WE CAN DO THAT ARE CURRENTLY NOT IN THAT
CRA PLAN.
WASHINGTON STREET PARK REDEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS CHANNEL PROJECT.
WE ARE CURRENTLY IN COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
IT IS MOVING FORWARD RIGHT NOW.
WE WERE AT A STANDSTILL.
HAD SOME CONFLICTS WITH GETTING IT STARTED, BUT LUCKILY WE
HAVE A VERY GREAT CONSULTANTS AND PARKS AND RECREATION HAVE
COME THROUGH IN A BIG WAY TO HELP US WITH THAT.
AT THE LAST CRA MEETING, WE AGREED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE
PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ON THAT.
ST. JAMES CHURCH BELL HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
THIS IS CENTRAL PARK.
THE TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY.
THE TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY HAS ACTUALLY FOUND THE ORIGINAL
BELL THAT WAS IN THE CENTRAL AVENUE FOR THE ST. JAMES
CHURCH.
IT IS BEING RESTORED TO A POINT.
THEY WILL KEEP IT LOOKING HISTORIC.
IT WILL NOT BE BROUGHT BACK ALL SHINY AND NEW.
WE WANT TO WORK WITH THEM TO MAKE THAT BELL PRESENT.
ONCE IT IS IN PLACE, IT WILL NOT BE RUNG AGAIN BUT ASKING
ONE LAST TIME WE RING THE BELL AND RECORD IT SO THAT WE HAVE
THAT FOR PRESERVATION.
THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER STORMWATER PRETREATMENT.
THIS IS A TAMPA HEIGHTS RIVERFRONT PROJECT.
IT IS ACTUALLY IN THE PLAN THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING LIKE
THIS.
AND THIS IS TO RETREAT STORMWATER THAT IS COMING DOWN
FLORIDA AVENUE AND ENTERING THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER AT
THE ULELE.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL BE BRINGING BACK IN THE
FUTURE.
WORKING WITH PURCHASING TO -- TO WORK THAT PROCESS SO THAT
IT IS DONE ACCORDING TO CITY POLICIES.
AND THIS IS THE URBAN CRA REPORT.
ANY QUESTIONS?
11:01:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARSON.
11:01:49AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO -- I JUST THOUGHT OF
THIS AS YOU WERE PRESENTING THIS, BUT IF YOU ARE GOING
THROUGH A -- ALMOST YEAR -- ALMOST A YEAR-LONG PROCESS ON
THE DOWNTOWN CRA, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE INCLUDED IN THE
OPTION INSTEAD OF JUST ASKING PEOPLE -- WHAT ARE ALL THE
GOODIES WE CAN SPENDS MONEY ON, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK AS TWO
ALTERNATIVES, ONE, REDUCING THE AMOUNT BY 25%.
AND ANOTHER -- REDUCING BY 50% TO RETURN TO THE GENERAL FUND
TO SPEND IT IN OTHER AREAS.
SO IF I COULD SEE HOW IT GOES, I WILL JUST MAKE A MOTION TO
ASK THAT IN THAT PROCESS, THAT AMONG THE OTHER ALTERNATIVES
THAT THEY PRESENT TWO ALTERNATIVES.
ONE WOULD BE TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT BY 25%.
AND THE SECOND ONE TO REDUCE IT BY 50% SO WE CAN GET INPUT
FROM THE PUBLIC IN THE PUBLIC MEETINGS.
11:02:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:02:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
QUESTION.
11:02:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I NEED A SECOND.
11:02:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
11:02:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER GUDES.
11:03:01AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHAT ARE THE RULES AND IMPLICATIONS OF
DOING THAT.
CERTAIN GUIDELINES, IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN.
HOW WILL THAT WORK, ONE.
AND LOOKING AT THE PROJECTS ON DECK NOW, HOW DOES THAT PLAN
OUT IF YOU DROP THAT MONEY DOWN.
HOW WILL THAT MONEY WORK?
11:03:18AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
PART OF THIS, IF THE CRA WANTS TO MOVE IN
THAT DIRECTION, ONE OF THE CHIEF THINGS WE WOULD HAVE TO DO
IS LOOK AT OUR PRESENT COMMITMENTS.
WE HAVE A NUMBER OF VERY COSTLY AGREEMENTS AND IMPROVEMENTS
THAT WE AGREED TO THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THE DAYTIME CRA.
$29 MILLION FOR THE STRAZ.
$15 MILLION FOR THE CONVENTION CENTER.
MUSEUM OF ARTS WILL ASK FOR A SEIZABLE AMOUNT, $14 MILLION
FOR TAMPA THEATRE.
$2.5 MILLION FOR TAMPA UNION STATION.
ALSO AN ASK COMING ON POTENTIALLY FOR FISCAL IMPROVEMENTS
THAT ARE RELATED TO THE STREETCAR EXTENSION OR A -- OR A --
A CIRCULATOR SYSTEM IN DOWNTOWN.
ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS ARE THINGS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY
BE COMING BEFORE YOU ALL.
THAT NEEDS TO BE BALANCED AND WE HAVE TO THINK THROUGH ALL
OF THAT.
OBVIOUSLY IF WE REDUCE THE INCREMENT INTO THE DOWNTOWN CRA
THAT LIMITS.
WE HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR WHATEVER WE HAVE AGREED TO PROVIDE IN
AGREEMENTS WITH OTHER DEVELOPERS AND CULTURAL INSTITUTIONS.
WE HAVE TO DETERMINE HOW WE -- IF YOU ALL WANTED TO PUT BACK
ON THE INCREMENT HAT.
WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PLAN THAT BECAUSE WE COULDN'T
DO THAT OVERNIGHT.
LEGALLY WE HAVE TO AMEND THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN
THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO ANYWAY AND THAT WILL BE PART OF
THIS.
WE WILL HAVE TO AMEND OUR INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
BECAUSE THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY,
WE AGREED TO PAY 95% OF THE TAX INCREMENT THAT THE CITY
RECEIVES INTO THE DOWNTOWN TIF FUND.
THOSE ARE THE STEPS.
11:04:59AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
A LOT OF STEPS.
11:05:00AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
YES.
11:05:02AM >>JEFF BURTON:
JUST TO AGREE WITH THAT, WE HAVE BEEN ASKED
TO PUT TOGETHER A TEN-YEAR BUDGET REPORT, ALL THE CRAs.
IF THAT WERE SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD WANTED TO DO, WE
ACTUALLY HAVE THE PROJECTIONS THAT WE NEED TO SHOW ALL O
THESE EXPENDITURES.
AND WHERE THEY END UP.
SO IT COULD BE IF THAT IS WHAT THE BOARD WISHES, IT JUST
WANT HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY UNTIL AFTER SOME OF THE OTHER
PAYMENTS ARE PAID OUT.
11:05:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
11:05:35AM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST TO FOLLOW-UP ON THAT.
THE -- YOU NO KNOW I BROUGHT THIS UP A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO,
BUT THE GOOD THING ABOUT THIS, WE ARE GOING TO THE PUBLIC.
SPENDING A YEAR ASKING THE PUBLIC WHAT THEY THINK.
ALL THIS MOTION IS TO ASK THE PUBLIC, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF
THESE IDEAS.
OF COURSE WE HAVE TO KEEP ALL OF OUR FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS.
AND THE OTHER THING BROUGHT UP THAT WAS BROUGHT UP LAST TIME
AS WELL ONCE IT GOES IN THE GENERAL FUND WOULD WE LOSE THE
COUNTY MONEY.
NEGOTIATE A DIFFERENT INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY
AND ALL THOSE THINGS ARE POSSIBLE.
WE CAN ALSO, SITTING AS CITY COUNCIL THEN, SET UP A SPECIAL
FUND.
SET UP A POTHOLE FUND.
A ROAD REPAIR FUND.
A PARKS FUND.
AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING FUND.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE CITY ARE
COMPLAINING EVERY DAY THAT POTHOLES ARE NOT GETTING FILLED.
NOT ENOUGH AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ALL THESE BASIC PROBLEMS WE
CAN'T FIX, BUT NOW WE ARE GOING TO GO TO A GROUP IN DOWNTOWN
AND SAY THE REST OF THE CITY WILL SUBSIDIZE YOU BUT HAVE A
GOODY LIST THAT WE WILL PAY FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS.
THE CITY SAYS WE DON'T WANT OUR TAXES INCREASED AND WE WANT
TO FILL THESE BASIC RESOURCES.
TO ASK THE PUBLIC.
THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR A SEPARATE PUBLIC PROCESS.
ASK THE PUBLIC WHAT THEY THINK.
PROBABLY THE PEOPLE IN DOWNTOWN ARE GOING TO SAY NO.
BUT IT IS WORTH THE DISCUSSION.
BECAUSE IF WE JUST -- AT LEAST BY INCLUDING THESE, WE WILL
GET PEOPLE TO THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT -- THAT OTHER PARTS
OF THE CITY HAVE PARKS THAT ARE FALLING APART AND POTHOLES
BECAUSE WE ARE SPENDING THIS MONEY IN DOWNTOWN.
SO HOPEFULLY THERE WILL BE CAREFUL WHAT THEY PROPOSE
SPENDING THE MONEY ON.
NOT JUST A LIST OF GOODIES THEY CAN SPEND THEIR OWN MONEY
ON.
THE REST OF THE CITY IS SUBSIDIZING IT.
THANK YOU.
11:07:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:07:35AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I APPRECIATE ANYTHING THAT COMES UP IN THE DISCUSSION TO
LOOK AT WHERE IT IS.
BUT I BELIEVE WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION -- NOT THE
ADMINISTRATION, BUT WHAT THE INDIVIDUALS THAT RUN THE CRA
AND THE ATTORNEY WHO SITS HERE REPRESENTING THE CRA AND
OURSELVES WITHOUT HAVING A FACT FIGURE IN FRONT OF US WHAT
THE EXPENDITURES AND WHAT WE PROMISED WOULD HAPPEN, THAT
MONEY IS ALREADY TIDE UP.
FOR US -- I AM NOT OPPOSED TO ASKING THE PUBLIC FOR
ANYTHING.
I DON'T WANT TO -- LOOK WHAT MIRANDA SAID.
LOOK AT THE WHOLE THING.
FOR US TO DO THIS, WE MIGHT HAVE -- WE MIGHT HAVE SOME
COMPLICATIONS INTO MEETING THE NEEDS YOU ALREADY SAID THAT
YOU WERE GOING TO DO AND THE PAYMENTS AND WHAT IS LEFT OVER.
I DON'T KNOW ALL THOSE ANSWERS.
SO I WOULD RATHER HAVE A -- A DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE CRA
BOARD, I GUESS, US, AND THE INDIVIDUALS HERE REPRESENTING
WHAT THEY DO SO WELL IN THE CRA AREA AND THE ATTORNEYS TO
TILL US WHAT YOU CAN DO AND CAN'T DO.
BECAUSE THE CRAs ARE SOMETHING THAT IS VERY CONTROLLED BY
STATE STATUTE.
YOU HAVE THE COUNTY INVOLVED.
YOU HAVE OTHER ENTITIES INVOLVED.
AND FOR US TO SAY WE ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING TO HELP
SOMETHING WHICH IS NEEDED BUT THAT IS UP TO US TO FIND IT
WHERE WE SET AT CITY COUNCIL TO FIND THAT MONEY WITHIN THE
BUDGET TO DO IT.
WE COMMITTED FOR 30 YEARS OF SOMETHING AND SOMETHING TIME
WHATEVER THAT PERIOD ENDS I DON'T KNOW TODAY.
I KNOW 30 YEARS.
I AM NOT GOING TO SAYS IT TOMORROW OR THE NEXT YEAR, BUT 15,
20 YEARS DOWN THE LINE, WHEN YOU MAKE A COMMITMENT LIKE
THAT, NO MATTER THIS COUNCIL MADE IT OR PRIOR COUNCILS MADE
IT OR FUTURE COUNCILS ARE GOING TO MAKE IT, YOU HAVE A LEGAL
OBLIGATION TO MEET THE NEEDS OF WHAT YOU SIGNED.
WHEN YOU GET INVOLVED IN THINGS THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OF
THE OUTCOME WILL BE, YOU ARE RISKING NOT ONLY THE FUNDS OF
THE CRA BUT THE FUNDS OF THE GENERAL FUND.
IF SOMEONE FILES A SUIT.
AND I AM NOT AFRAID TO GO TO COURT, BUT IF THAT SUIT TELLS
US THAT WE ARE LONG AND WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING THAT YOU WANTED
TO DO, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM THAT WE CAN SOLVE.
SO I AM JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DIRECTION IS THAT
WE ARE GOING.
BECAUSE WE DID SIGN AN AGREEMENT.
MAYBE I AM WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE WE SIGNED AN AGREEMENT WITH
THE CRAs, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND OTHERS INVOLVED TO DO WHAT
WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO DO AND WE ARE DOING EXACTLY WHAT WE
SAID WE WERE GOING TO DO.
11:10:22AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WITH I REPLACE MY MOTION --
11:10:25AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CITRO.
11:10:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WILL WAIT, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
11:10:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER GUDES.
11:10:31AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I SEE WHERE MR. CARLSON IS GOING.
DOWNTOWN.
THEY NEED TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.
BUT I THINK THE OBLIGATION -- LIKE I SAID WE HAVE MONEY OUT
FOR THE STRAZ.
THE MUSEUM AND THE CONVENTION CENTER AND THE TAMPA THEATRE
IS ASKING FOR A BUNCH OF MONEY.
IF GOING TO STOP IT, FULFILL THE OBLIGATION OF THE FOUR AND
FIVE INDIVIDUALS BEFORE ENDING IT OR POTENTIALLY -- SO
PEOPLE ARE -- WANT TO GO ASK FOR THINGS IN THE FUTURE.
YOU HAVE TO SAY, THESE ARE OBLIGATIONS WE CUT IT OFF WITH
THESE FIVE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE COMMITTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT
THAT.
BUT WILL TAKE FOR THEM TO COME BACK AND TELL THAT YOU
INFORMATION AND LEGAL FOR US TO SAY WHAT WE CAN OR CAN'T DO.
11:11:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
ON THE SURFACE, DOWNTOWN IS BEAUTIFUL AND THE DOWNTOWN CRA
HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB, BUT THERE IS MORE TO DOWNTOWN
THAN WHAT PEOPLE SEE.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, THERE ARE PARTS, ZACK STREET NORTH THAT
ARE IN DESPERATE NEED OF HELP.
AND THEY ARE ALSO INFRINGING ON OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT
HAVE CRAs.
I WILL MAKE A MOTION LATER THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ACTUALLY SEE
THE DOWNTOWN CRA EXTENDED UP TO MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.,
INCLUDING NEBRASKA, FLORIDA AND TAMPA STREETS WHICH ARE IN
DESPERATE NEED OF HELP FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOTH IN
BUSINESS AND RESIDENTIAL.
SO I -- YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THE
DOWNTOWN CRA IS NO LONGER NEEDED, THERE ARE PARTS GOING
FURTHER NORTH THAT ARE THE URBAN CORE.
AND WHICH ARE GOING TO BECOME THE NEW DOWNTOWN AREA.
IF WE LOOK TO OUR FRIENDS OVER AT THE COUNTY TO REPAVE THEIR
ROADS, OUR CONSTITUENTS WOULDN'T COMPLAIN AS MUCH.
WE ONLY HAVE 19% OF THE STREETS WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA
THAT BELONG TO THE CITY.
ARMENIA, HOWARD, KENNEDY, COLUMBUS, BAYSHORE.
PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT THESE REPAVING.
THEY DON'T BELONG TO THE CITY.
THEY BELONG TO THE COUNTY.
IF OUR FRIENDS FROM THE COUNTY WOULD REPAVE THOSE STREETS,
WE WOULD HAVE A LOT OFF OUR PLATE.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
11:13:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER VIERA.
11:13:03AM >>LUIS VIERA:
CAN I HEAR THE AMENDED MOTION.
11:13:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FORWARD MEMBER CARLSON.
11:13:08AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE THE ORIGINAL MOTION
WITH A MOTION TO ASK STAFF TO COME BACK ON -- IN THE JULY
CRA MEETING TO PROPOSE AN OPTION TO REDUCE THE CRA FUNDING
IN THE DOWNTOWN CRA DISTRICT THAT COULD BE DISCUSSED FOR THE
PURPOSE OF POTENTIALLY PROVIDING AN ALTERNATIVE FOR THE
PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT DISCUSSIONS FOR THE CRA PLAN.
11:13:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
11:13:48AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SO THE IDEA IS INSTEAD OF SAYING NOW WE ARE
GOING TO PUT TWO OPTIONS ON SAYING -- OF COURSE WE HAVE TO
INCLUDE EVERYTHING THAT IS ALREADY PROMISED.
THIS WILL GIVE TIME TO GIVE INPUT AND COME BACK AND SAY THIS
IS THE OPTION AND WE CAN STILL VOTE ON IT.
AND ALL WE ARE VOTING ON AT THIS TIME IS TO ASK THEM TO PUT
IT IN THE PUBLIC ENGAGE 789 PROCESS.
WE WOULDN'T BE VOTING TO END IT.
11:14:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WOULD SECOND THAT.
11:14:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO WE HAVE A SECOND.
BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:14:24AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN SUPPORT THAT OR
NOT.
WE SIGNED AN AGREEMENT WITH VARIOUS -- I THINK THERE ARE
EIGHT OF THEM.
I NEED LEGAL TO TELL US BEFORE WE START POKING AROUND SEEING
WHAT WE CAN DO OR CANNOT TO DO LAY THE GUIDELINES SO WE
DON'T HIT THAT SLIPPERY SLOPE AND FIND OUT THAT WE CAN'T DO
WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND BE EMBARRASSED AGAIN.
I WOULD LIKE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, MR. MASSEY, WHO IS THE
ATTORNEY FOR THE CRA TO GATHER THE INFORMATION THAT WE SPOKE
ABOUT AND TO PUT IT INTO LEGAL CONTEXT WHAT WE CAN OR CAN
NOT DO WITH THAT PROGRAM IS HE SIGNED ON FOR YEARS TO COME.
AND IF NOT, I AM NOT GOING TO SUPPORT ANY MOTION UNLESS THE
LEGAL DEPARTMENT TELLS US THAT HERE IS WHAT YOU CAN DO.
AND HERE WHAT YOU CANNOT DO.
NOT WHAT A WE WANT TO DO, BUT LEGALLY DO WITH THE AGREEMENTS
THAT WE SIGNED ON.
11:15:19AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
MR. MIRANDA, THERE -- IF YOU ALL WANT TO
REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF THE CITY CONTRIBUTION INTO THE DOWNTOWN
CRA, THERE IS A MEANS TO LEGALLY DO IT, BUT THERE ARE A
NUMBER OF STEPS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH IN ORDER TO
DO THAT, INCLUDING REVISING OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY.
JUST SO YOU ARE AWARE, THE COUNTY DOES NOT CORRECT ANY OF
THEIR TIF TO THE DOWNTOWN.
THINK PROJECTS OF THE DOWNTOWN ARE SUPPORTED SOLELY FROM THE
CITY'S TIF.
THE COUNTY MAY NOT CARE SO MUCH WE ARE REDUCING IT EXCEPT IF
IT IMPACTS ANY OF OUR OBLIGATIONS WITH THE COUNTY.
ONE THAT I THINK OF THAT WE STILL HAVE OUTSTANDING IS THE
AGREEMENT RELATIVE TO THE WATER STREET DEVELOPMENT AND FROM
IMPROVE AND WE AGREE TO FUND 50% OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE
IMPROVEMENTS RELATED TO THAT PROJECT THROUGH THE CRA
FUNDING.
ONE THING THEY MAY BE CONCERNED WITH, BUT I THINK PART OF
ALL THIS, IF YOU ALL WANTED TO GO DOWN THIS ROUTE, IS THAT
WE WOULD HAVE TO STUDY WHAT THOSE OBLIGATIONS ARE AND COME
UP WITH A PLAN TO REDUCE THAT.
AND -- WOULD HAVE TO BE PRESENT AND GO TO THE COUNTY.
NEGOTIATE THE AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY TO SEE IF WE CAN
APPROVE IT AND A PROCESS TO AMEND THE PLAN HOW WE WOULD GO
ABOUT DOING IT LEGALLY.
11:16:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
BOARD MEMBER VIERA.
11:16:47AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YOU KNOW, THIS CAME UP A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO IN THE FORM OF
CAPPING THE DOWNTOWN CRA.
MY RECOLLECTION IS THE CHANNELSIDE PLAN FAILED IN TERMS OF
SUNSETTING, PASSED 4-3.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT.
I SUPPORTED THAT LOOKING AT CAPPING THE DOWNTOWN CRA.
I ALWAYS HAVE BEEN OPEN TO SOME MODIFICATIONS BUT WHILE
LOOKING AT WHAT THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES ARE.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WISELY BRINGS UP THE FACT AND THE IDEA
THAT WE MAKE CERTAIN COMMITMENTS FOR HOWEVER LONG I HAVE NO
A PROBLEM WITH THE FEASIBILITY OF IT WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON
WAS TALKING ABOUT.
THE FEASIBILITY.
I WONDER IF THE ROADBLOCKS WILL OUTWEIGH THE BENEFITS.
A LOT WERE TALKED ABOUT THE TAMPA MUSEUM OF ART, THE STRAZ
CENTER ONE THAT WILL TAKE UP 40% OF THE CRA DOWNTOWN BUDGET
AT LEAST PROJECTIONS WHEN THIS WAS PASSED ABOUT A YEAR OR SO
AGO IN YEAR 5.
THAT WILL TAKE UP A LOT.
THE ISSUE IS BY PUTTING THIS FORWARD RIGHT NOW, WHAT BENEFIT
WE WILL GET OUT OF IT WITH ALL THE OBLIGATIONS AND DETRIMENT
WITH THE PROCEDURE OF GOING THROUGH IT.
I SPEAK OUT OF COMPLETE IGNORANCE.
MONEY LOST, ETC.
IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT FEASIBILITY, LEGAL CONSEQUENCES OF
IT.
I AM FINE WITH THAT.
BUT WE HAVE TO KNOW IN TERMS OF THE MANY, MANY, MANY
COMMITMENTS THAT WE MADE AS A BODY HERE.
AND WHAT WILL BE THE FEASIBILITY OF GOING THROUGH ALL THE
STEPS AND FOR WHAT IF MOST OF THE BUDGETS ARE ALREADY
COMMITTED IN THE DOWNTOWN CRA.
AGAIN, GOOD QUESTIONS.
YOU KNOW MAYBE WE CAN HAVE -- AS A MOTION TO LOOK AT
FEASIBILITY FOR A MORE ROBUST TO TALK ABOUT THE NUMBERS AND
CONSEQUENCES.
I AM GLAD TO SUPPORT THAT.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT IF IT IS TAILORED IN THAT
REGARD.
11:19:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION?
11:19:15AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MAY I ASK COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
APOLOGIZE, BECAUSE YOU KIND OF ARE REDID THE MOTION, SO TO
SPEAK.
IS THIS MORE SO AS A FEASIBILITY, LOOKING IF FOR THE LEGAL
FEASIBILITY -- I AM OPEN TO TALK ABOUT IT.
I JUST DON'T -- I AM OPEN TO TALKING ABOUT MAYBE -- AGAIN,
JUST LOOKING AT THE IDEA.
GO AHEAD.
11:19:42AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T REMEMBER ALL THE WORDS, BUT THE IDEA
IS I THINK IN JULY WE WILL TALK OF THE BUDGET FOR THE CRA,
IT WILL JUST BE TO ASK STAFF BETWEEN NOW AND THEN TO LOOK AT
THE LEGAL AND FINANCIAL RAMIFICATIONS, THE CONTRACTS, AND
TALK TO YOU ALL AND COME BACK WITH A PROPOSAL.
AND WE WOULD NOT ACT ON THE PROPOSAL RIGHT AWAY.
ALL WE WOULD DO IF WE LIKE THE PROPOSAL, WE WILL ASK THE
STAFF TO INSERT THIS PROPOSAL AS ONE ALTERNATIVE INTO THE
PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT DISCUSSION HAPPENING ON THE DOWNTOWN PLAN.
THE DOWNTOWN PLAN WILL TAKE MONTHS.
AND SOMETIMES IN 2024 WHEN THEY COME BACK WITH A ABOUT
PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
WE WILL DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO THEN.
WE WOULDN'T DECIDE IN JULY WHETHER WE WANT TO GO FORWARD
WITH IT OR NOT.
BUT JUST FOR THE STAFF TO CREATE A MODEL OR OPTION THAT CAN
BE DISCUSSED IN THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS.
11:20:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:20:42AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THIS WILL BE MY LAST CONVERSATION AND
APOLOGIZE FOR TAKING SO MUCH TIME.
BUT IN ORDER FOR ME TO VOTE FOR ANYTHING, YOU HAVE TO GO
BACK IN HISTORY AND FIND OUT WHAT WE DID IN THE PAST SO WE
CAN PLAN OUT WHERE WE ARE GOING IN THE FUTURE.
IF I RECALL, LIKE -- LIKE THE ASTUTE COUNCILMEMBER VIERA
SAID, SOME OF THIS MONEY HAS BEEN COMMITTED FOR THE NEXT --
A LONG TIME ALREADY.
YOU MENTIONED THE CONVENTION CENTER.
YOU MENTIONED THE STRAZ CENTER.
OTHER THINGS.
THE MUSEUM.
WE COMMITTED TO THOSE THINGS MONTHS AGO.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO TELL THEM NOW, WE CHANGED OUR MIND.
A WAY?
BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE.
I KNOW IT WAS BIG NUMBERS, BUT FOR ME TO DIGEST SOMETHING
AND NOT REMEMBER THE TOTAL PACKAGE THEN WILL NOT BE THE BEST
WAY FOR MYSELF OR THE CONSTITUENTS WE REPRESENT SAYING I DID
THIS WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE AND WITHOUT
UNDERSTANDING WHAT COMMITMENTS WE HAVE LAID OUT FOR THE
EXTENSION OF THE FUND THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS
YEAR CONTINUES TO GROW.
LET'S GO BACK IN HISTORY.
WHAT IS IT -- THERE WAS NO CRA 20 YEARS AGO.
WE WON'T BE DISCUSSING IT TODAY.
YOU HAVE THE SAME ROADS THAT WOULDN'T BE PAVED MORE THAN
LIKELY.
191 PARKS.
92 CIVIC CENTERS.
12 SWIMMING POOLS WE TAKE CARE OF AND MORE AND MORE ON THAT
THAT WE ADDRESS.
THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO MAKE SURE
THAT A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY.
NOT ONLY OF THIS, BUT WHAT WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO IN THE
WHOLE CITY OF TAMPA THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE AT.
THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT HAD THE COSTS AND FUNDING ARE COMING
FROM ON ALL THE ITEMS.
I DON'T RUN MY HOUSE HOLD THIS WAY AND I SHOULDN'T RUN THE
CITY THIS WAY EITHER.
YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT YOUR EXPENSES, YOUR INCOME, AND HOW
LONG YOU WILL LIVE TO PAY FOR THEM.
CRAs HAVE A LIFESPAN AT THE BEGINNING AND THEY HAVE AN END.
MY GRANDMOTHER SAID WHEN WE ARE BORN, WE HAVE AN EXPIRATION
DATE, WE DON'T KNOW WHEN IT IS.
SHE WAS RIGHT.
THE CRA, WE KNOW WHAT THE EXPIRATION DATE IS.
THESE ARE THE THINGS -- I AM NOT SUBJECT TO NOT MAKING A
CHANGE, WHAT I AM LOOKING AT, I AM NOT JUST GOING TO GO
HUNTING FOR A BEAR WHEN I REALLY SHOULD GO FISHING FOR FISH.
THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AND NEITHER DOES THIS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:23:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
BOARD MEMBER GUDES.
11:23:22AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I LIKE THE IDEA OF -- OF EXPLORING AND
LOOKING.
NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
BUT A PROPOSAL TO COME BACK, I THINK THAT KIND OF -- KIND OF
PUSHING IT A LITTLE BIT.
BUT I AGREE.
LET'S LOOK AT WHAT THE COMMITMENTS ARE.
THE LEGALITIES ARE, HOW MUCH WE OWE.
HOW MUCH WE WILL PAY PEOPLE TOTALLY AGREE TO THAT.
THE FEASIBILITY OF STUDYING IT.
WHAT WE OWE, WHAT WE DON'T OWE AND LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD.
WHAT 25% LOOKS LIKE.
MAKE SURE WE CAN PAY THE BILLS, I THINK IT IS MORE
ACCOMMODATING VERSUS A STRONG PROPOSAL, IN MY BEEN.
11:24:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER VIERA.
11:24:11AM >>LUIS VIERA:
COUNCILMAN GUDES' COMMENTS.
I HAD THOSE SAME THOUGHTS.
I WROTE DOWN NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE PROPOSAL BUT TO
PROCESS CONSEQUENCES AND FEASIBILITY.
SO KIND OF ON BOARD THERE.
11:24:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
11:24:27AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE PROPOSAL I MADE -- THE MOTION I MADE
INCLUDED LOOKING AT ALL OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ALL JUST
SAID.
AND YOU ALL WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO GIVE INPUT TO THEM, TO THE
STAFF IN THE MEANTIME AND TELL THEM WHAT YOU LIKE AND DON'T
LIKE.
CAN'T TELL US OUTSIDE OF MEETINGS WHAT YOU LIKE OR DON'T
LIKE.
YOU CAN GIVE US INPUT ON IT.
AND LOOK AT THE FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS AND UNLESS A STAFF
PERSON CALLS THE BUSINESS JOURNAL AND SAID I AM AGAINST
DOWNTOWN.
I AM NOT AGAINST DOWNTOWN.
WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY DOWNTOWN AND HUGE INVESTMENTS IN THE
LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
IF THIS PROPOSAL -- 25%.
THIS IS GROWING EXPONENTIALLY.
WE WILL HAVE MORE THAN THE 75% AND CONTINUE TO INVEST
DOWNTOWN.
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS NOT ABOUT DOWNTOWNS BUT ABOUT
NEIGHBORHOODS.
WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS IS WE HAVE
PEOPLE WORTH HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
QUIETLY MOVED IN OUR AREA AND RUNNING MULTIBILLION DOLLAR,
AND PARKS ARE FALLING APART AND POTHOLES IN STREETS AND THEY
ARE FRUSTRATED BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING
TO LIVE IN AND THEY ARE TELLING THEIR FRIEND WHEREVER THEY
CAME FROM THAT THERE ARE THESE PROBLEMS.
THAT WILL HURT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT MODERN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THAT
INCLUDES ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
BY THE WAY IF WE DECIDE TO MOVE 25% AS ALLOCATE AS A CITY
COUNCIL.
WE CAN DECIDE TO SPEND THAT DOWNTOWN EITHER.
I SAY THAT CRA ARE FOR LAZY POLICYMAKERS.
WE HAVE DISCRETION WHERE WE SPEND THE MONEY.
IN AREAS WITH NO SLUM AND BLIGHT.
DOWNTOWN WOULD NOT QUALIFY AS A CRA BASED ON THE CURRENT
CONDITIONS.
THIS IS DISCUSSING TAKING A SMALL AMOUNT OUT AND SPEND
MONTHS OF FEEDBACK AND THEN WE CAN MAKE A DECISION WHAT WE
WANT TO DO.
11:26:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
11:26:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT IS THE KEYWORD.
I HEAR A PROPOSAL.
I AM HEARING DISCUSSION.
HAVING DISCUSSION.
NOT DOING IN I OFFICIAL ACTION.
LOOKING AT DATA AND GO FROM THERE.
MY SECOND WILL STILL STAND.
11:26:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:26:52AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE DATA WILL BE THE SAME ASK FOR IT
TODAY OR JULY.
WHY DON'T WE JUST ASK FOR THE DATA.
EARLIER IN THE MEETING.
FOUR DISTRICTS IN THE CITY.
FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN THAT WILL COMPRISE THE WHOLE CITY.
TO GIVE A COMPLETE REVIEW ASIDE FROM THIS -- THIS IS CRA --
TO PUT THE AMOUNT OF MONIES THAT THE CITY PUT IN FOUR
DIFFERENT DISTRICTS THAT COMPREHENSIVE THE BIG CITY OF
TAMPA.
THEY ARE NOT LITTLE ANYMORE, FOUR DISTRICTS THAT EQUAL
NUMBERS OF DISTRICT ONE, TWO AND THREE.
I SAID THAT EARLIER WILL TELL YOU HOW MUCH MONEY WE PUT IN
THE FOUR DISTRICTS, YOU WILL HAVE AN IDEA WHERE YOU ARE
GOING AND WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM.
YOU START DOING WITH THIS, NOT PROPOSED TODAY BUT YEAR AFTER
YEAR AFTER YEAR, THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS.
I AM NOT -- I AM NOT -- I AM NOT AFRAID TO SAY I HAVEN'T
GOTTEN REELECTED.
SOME OF YOU HAD, AND GOD BLESS YOU.
BUT I AM NOT GOING TO TAKE A WHOOPING JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO
GET ELECTED.
I STAND BY MY GROUND AND WHAT I SAY I DON'T ACT ON NOTHING
UNLESS I HAVE ALL THE FACTS.
I DO NOT HAVE THE FACTS TODAY.
I HAVE -- I HAVE IDEAS THAT ARE THERE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN
REDUCED TO NUMBERS.
I DO NOT DO ANYTHING UNLESS I HAVE THE NUMBERS AND I DON'T
HAVE THE NUMBERS TODAY.
THANK YOU.
11:28:10AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
COUNCILWOMAN.
11:28:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER GUDES.
11:28:16AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WILL MAKE A MOTION ON THAT TONIGHT.
I HOPE IN YOUR MOTION, YOU TALK ABOUT THE FOUR DISTRICTS.
BUT WITHIN EACH DISTRICT, THERE ARE CERTAIN POCKETS THAT ARE
GROWING VERSUS OTHER POCKETS THAT ARE NOT GROWING.
THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED.
YOU HAVE THE FOUR DISTRICTS.
WITHIN THOSE DISTRICTS.
WHAT AREA IN THE DISTRICT HAVE GROWN AND WHAT HAVE NOT
GROWN.
11:28:38AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I UNDERSTAND.
11:28:40AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT IS VERY KEY.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRWOMAN.
WE HAVE A MOTION -- YES, BOARD MEMBER VIERA.
11:28:46AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND, AGAIN, I AM FINE FOR LOOKING AT A PROJECT.
LOOKING AT A PROPOSAL ESPECIALLY FOR 25% WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE
COMMITTED ALL THESE FUNDS AND MY RECOGNITION IS, I COULD BE
WRONG.
IN THE FINAL IT WAS AT LEAST PROJECTED IN THE FINAL YEAR OF
STRAZ 35 OR 40%.
THAT IS MY RECOLLECTION.
I COULD BE WRONG.
YOU PUT THAT ALL TOGETHER.
WITH EVERY ASKING STAFF TO PUT UP VALUABLE TIME NOR A FORMAL
PROPOSAL THAT MAY NOT GIVE THE DIVIDENDS, YOU KNOW WHAT I
MEAN THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
I WOULD VOTE FOR THIS IF IT IS PROCESS, CONSEQUENCES OR
FEASIBILITY JUST PUTTING OUT THERE.
BECAUSE, AGAIN, COUNCILMAN CARLSON IS WORKING THE ISSUE FOR
A NUMBER OF YEARS AND I SALUTE THE VIGOR ON THAT.
11:29:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
11:29:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT IS WHAT I AM ASKING IN THE MOTION.
NOT MAKING A DECISION TODAY BUT ASKING THE STAFF TO COME
BACK IN JULY TO PRESENT THEIR ANALYSIS OF IT.
AND MAKE A SUGGESTION, A PROPOSAL, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL
IT WHAT MIGHT BE FEASIBILITY.
IF -- FEASIBLE.
IF WE DECIDE AT THAT POINT TO PUT IT IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT
DISCUSSION IT WILL SPEND MONTH WITH PUBLIC COMMENT AND 2024
DECIDE IF WE WANT TO DO THIS OR NOT.
NOT DE DECIDING IT.
ABOUT.
11:30:17AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE ORIGINAL MOTION IS SOMETHING MAYBE I
HEARD WRONG.
25% OF SOMETHING AND NOW JUST LOOK AT IT.
11:30:23AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I CANCELLED THE ORIGINAL MOTION.
I CHANGED IT.
11:30:26AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
OH, YOU DID.
11:30:27AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU WANT --
11:30:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
RE-READ THE MOTION.
11:30:31AM >> TO COME BACK IN JULY FOR A MEETING JULY 20 TO PROPOSE AN
OPTION TO REDUCE CRA FUNDING IN DOWNTOWN.
11:30:45AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I RESTATE IT SIMPLY.
ASK STAFF TO ANALYZE THE POSSIBILITY OF CREATING AN OPTION
TO REDUCE THE DOWNTOWN CRA MONEY BY 25% AND BRING THAT
ANALYSIS BACK AT THE JULY CRA MEETING FOR DISCUSSION AND IF
APPROVED AT THAT TIME THAT OPTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE
DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS TO GET PUBLIC INPUT ON
IT SO WE CAN GET RESPONSE FROM THE PUBLIC IN 2024.
11:31:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO YOU STILL SECOND.
11:31:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I SECOND.
IT IS A DISCUSSION.
11:31:51AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WOULD LIKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION ON THE
FLOOR.
I WOULD LIKE FOR STAFF -- IF I MAY MADAM CHAIR -- TO COME
BACK IN JULY LIKE MR. CARLSON ASKED TO BRING US THE NUMBERS
THAT WE HAVE COMMITTED FOR THE YEARS TO COME WHEN THIS
COUNCIL VOTED FOR VARIOUS THINGS WITHIN THE DISTRICT FOR
THEIR ENHANCEMENT TO THE AREA AND FOR THE FUTURE THAT WE
DID, BECAUSE WE MADE SOME ADVANCEMENT LIKE MR. VIERA CALLED
THE CONVENTION CENTER, THE STRAZ, THE AQUARIUM, THE -- MAYBE
NOT AQUARIUM YET, BUT I AM SURE THEY ARE GOING TO ASK.
THE -- SO MANY THAT WE FUNDED THAT WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO
THE CHILDREN'S MUSEUM --
11:32:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I SAID FOUR TIMES THAT IS INCLUDED IN MY
MOTION.
11:32:44AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU PUT THAT 25%.
AND I AM JUST SAYING THAT THAT 25% CAME BACK AND ALL I AM
ASKING THEM TO DO IS TO TELL US THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE
HAVE COMMITTED IF YOU HAVE NUMBERS.
YOU KNOW NUMBERS BETTER THAN I DO, WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE AND
HOW YOU COMMITTED AND HOW MUCH WE HAVE COMING IN THAT WE CAN
PROJECT ALL OF THAT, SIR, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT
PREVENTING WHAT WE ARE COMMITTED TO DO.
11:33:15AM >>LUIS VIERA:
CAN I MAKE A COMMENT.
MAYBE THE MEDIATOR AT ME.
I SEE THE MOTIONS ARE THE SAME EXCEPT YOU TAKE OUT THAT 25%.
11:33:21AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
CORRECT.
11:33:23AM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF THAT 25% IS TAKEN OUT WE GET A 7-0 VOTE.
11:33:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE PURPOSE IS TO DO THE ANALYSIS AND TALK
OF THE POSSIBILITY OF REDUCING IT.
THE POINT IS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO REDUCE IT.
I ORIGINALLY SAID 25% TO 50%.
I CHANGED IT TO JUST 25%.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WITH ROBERT RULES NOW.
IF HE -- IF THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION STANDS I WILL MAKE ANOTHER
MOTION AFTER THAT AND SEE IF IT GOES UP AND DOWN.
I THINK WE HAVE A -- WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO THE
COMMUNITY TO BE GOOD CUSTODIANS OF THEIR MONEY.
ASKING THE DOWNTOWN RESIDENTS OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS WHAT
TO SPEND THE MONEY ON WITHOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF REDUCING IT
IS IRRESPONSIBLE AND RECKLESS.
NOT THEIR MONEY BUT THE REST OF THE CITY'S MONEY INVESTING
IN DOWNTOWN.
THE REST OF THE CITY.
WE HAVE TO KEEP ALL OF OUR COMMITMENTS.
EVERY WE COMMITTED WE AGREED TO DO THAT.
HANDSHAKE AGREEMENTS.
NOTHING IS APPROVED UNLESS THE CITY COUNCIL, THE MAYOR
APPROVE IT.
WHAT WE NEED TO DO, HOW TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE IN THE
COMMUNITY.
PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ARE NOT HAPPY THAT THEIR ROADS HAVE
POTHOLES IN THEM.
NOT HAPPY THERE AREN'T ENOUGH POLICE OFFICERS.
THEY ARE NOT HAPPY NOT ENOUGH FIRE RESCUE VEHICLES.
OUR CHOICES ARE RAISE TAXES AND FIND MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE.
ALL THIS IS ASKING TO DO THE RESEARCH TO PUT SOMETHING
TOGETHER TO GET FEED BACK ON IT.
WE ARE NOT MAKING DECISION TO CUT IT NOW.
11:34:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MR. BURTON, I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU.
WHEN DOES THIS PUBLIC INFORMATION GATHERING BEGIN.
11:35:12AM >>JEFF BURTON:
THEY ARE SETTING THE DATES RIGHT NOW.
11:35:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ARE THEY EXPECTED WITHIN THIS TIME PERIOD TO
GET THIS DONE?
11:35:21AM >>JEFF BURTON:
YES, MA'AM.
11:35:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. BURTON, JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE,
HOW FAR NORTH DOES THE DOWNTOWN CRA GO?
11:35:32AM >>JEFF BURTON:
THE SOUTH SIDE OF 275 AND STOPS.
11:35:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I ALREADY HAVE MY OWN BEEN, BUT I AM ASKING
YOUR BEEN FROM ZACK STREET TO 275 SOUTH, IS THERE STILL SLUM
AND BLIGHT.
11:35:46AM >>JEFF BURTON:
ACCORDING TO THE TEXAS DEFINITION, YES.
11:35:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
STILL IN NEED OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
11:35:55AM >> JEFF BURTON:
IF IT IS BLIGHT IT IS IN NEED OF ECONOMIC
REDEVELOPMENT.
11:36:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THE BUS STATION IS CHANGING HANDS AND SOME
DEVELOPMENT THERE.
THE VERIZON BUILDING HAVE ALSO CHANGED HANDS.
THERE.
WE ARE GOING AS FAR EAST -- DOWNTOWN GOES AS FAR EAST AS
UNION STATION, FURTHER?
11:36:19AM >> JEFF BURTON:
THE BOUNDARY IS UNION STATION TO THE
NORTHEAST.
AND THEN IT GOES TO -- GOES TO MERIDIAN, ALL THE WAY DOWN.
ALL THE WAY DOWN TO BENEFICIAL BRIDGE WHICH STAYS ON THE
WEST SIDE OF BENEFICIAL BRIDGE.
11:36:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
STILL AREAS AROUND DOWNTOWN IN MY BEEN NEED
HELP TO IMPROVE THEMSELVES ECONOMICALLY.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
11:36:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
SO I HAVE A -- I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
LET'S DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:36:52AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
HAS YOUR MOTION BEEN SECONDED?
11:36:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WILL SECOND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S MOTION.
11:37:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
11:37:05AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I BELIEVE THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION TAKE
PRECEDENCE.
WHAT I AM GATHERING WITH THE BOARD'S DISCUSSION YOU WOULD
LIKE FOR STAFF AND LEGAL TO COME BACK WITH INFORMATION ABOUT
WHAT WE HAVE COMMITTED TO IN DOWNTOWN ALREADY, WHAT WOULD BE
THE LEGAL PROCESS IF YOU WANTED TO REDUCE THE TIF FOR
DOWNTOWN.
YOU KNOW, WE -- I UNDERSTAND MR. CARLSON'S MOTION AND
DEFINED PERCENTAGE OF 25%.
PERHAPS -- I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN ANYONE'S MOUTH.
BUT PERHAPS AFTER WE ARE ABLE TO GET ALL THE FACTS TOGETHER
AND LOOK AT THE INFORMATION, WE CAN PRESENT OPTIONS FOR TO
YOU CONSIDER ABOUT -- DIFFERENT OPTIONS ABOUT THE POTENTIAL
REDUCTIONS, BUT NOT THAT PERCENTAGE OF A POINT IN TIME.
JUST A THOUGHT.
11:37:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
11:37:58AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO TELL US WHAT WE HAVE
ALREADY COMMITTED.
IF THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION INCLUDES GIVING US INFORMATION
ABOUT HOW WE COULD REDUCE THE AMOUNT GOING FORWARD, THEN I
CAN SUPPORT IT BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY DOES THE SAME THING.
11:38:10AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WELL, HERE, I'M GOING OUT OF THE BOX AND
I APPRECIATE BEING IN THE A SQUARE TO GET OUT, BUT I AM NOT
TRYING TO GET OUT.
TIME TRYING TO FIX A SOLUTION THAT I BELIEVE NEEDS TO BE
ADDRESSED.
CERTAINLY THERE ARE NEEDS.
AND I WASN'T AS KEEN AS MR. CITRO WAS IN SAYING THAT THERE
ARE CERTAIN AREAS THAT STILL NEED ADDRESSING AND THEN THE
POSSIBILITY OF EXTENDING IT FURTHER SO OTHER PARTS OF THE
CITY CAN COME IN AND HAVE THE SAME BENEFIT.
I DON'T WANT TO GO TO ALL THOSE AT ONCE.
I WANT TO KNOW THE FIGURES THAT WE NEED TO HELP WHAT WE
COMMITTED AND THE FIGURES WE THINK WE ARE GOING TO MAKE
DURING THAT SAME TIME AND A DECISION BASED ON FACTS --
FACTUAL NUMBERS.
NOT TO SAY I WANT 15%, I HAVE NOTHING FOR PERCENTAGE.
I AM SAYING BEFORE I VOTE FOR THE PUBLIC'S FATE.
AND THE SAME ONES THAT I WAS ELECTED TO REPRESENT, I AM NOT
GOING TO MAKE AN AGREEMENT ON SOMETHING I DON'T HAVE THE
FIGURES ON.
WE DON'T HAVE A MEMORY FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, TWO MONTHS, THREE
MONTHS.
ALL THE FIGURES AND FACTS WE HAVE GIVEN AND EVERYTHING THAT
NEEDS.
WE DON'T KNOW THOSE FIGURES.
FOR ME TO VOTE WITHOUT KNOWING THAT FIGURE.
25% OR 10%.
NO NOT HOW I WAS TAUGHT AT JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL.
YOU NEED TO KNOW THE FACTS AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING BEFORE YOU
CAST A VOTE.
11:39:39AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE VOTE AND THEN I WILL DO MINE.
11:39:43AM >>JEFF BURTON:
DIRECTORS HAVE ASKED STAFF TO COLLECT THIS
INFORMATION.
IF YOU ASK IN JULY, WE WILL BE HAPPY TO BRING THAT
INFORMATION TO YOU.
WE ARE ALREADY COLLECTING IT IN A VERY PROFOUND WAY FOR YOUR
BENEFIT.
FOR YOU TO MAKE DATA MACHINE DRIVEN DECISIONS.
IT IS COMING ANYWAY.
11:40:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DOES THAT MEAN WE DON'T NEED TO DO THE MOTION
BECAUSE IT IS COMING?
11:40:08AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THE INFORMATION
PRESENTED AT THE JULY MEETING I THINK THE MOTION SHOULD MOVE
FORWARD.
11:40:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
A SUBSTITUTE MOTION OR A -- YEAH -- NOT A
SUBSTITUTE.
WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION MADE BY BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBER CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
OKAY.
MOTIONS PASSES.
NOW WE HAVE A MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER CARSON TO INCLUDE THE
25% WHEN LOOKING AT THAT.
11:40:39AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WILL LIKE TO MAKE THE SAME MOTION I MADE
BEFORE AND REPLACE THE NUMBER 25% WITH OPTIONS TO REDUCE.
AND TO THE PRESENTATION THAT MR. MIRANDA JUST PROPOSED.
11:40:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
LET ME MAKE SURE THERE IS A SECOND.
11:41:01AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WILL CERTAINLY BE IN FAVOR OF THAT IF I
HAVE THE NUMBERS, ALL THE NUMBERS.
11:41:06AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THEY WILL PRESENT IT.
11:41:10AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IN JULY.
I DON'T MIND SUPPORTING IT BUT I NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE
NUMBERS ARE BEFORE I START DOING SOMETHING THAT IS NOT THE
PROPER THING LEGALLY.
11:41:19AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THEY WILL PRESENT WHAT YOU WANT AND RIGHT
AFTER THIS, PRESENT THIS IF WE PASS THE MOTION.
11:41:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER CARSON.
SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
LET'S DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:41:36AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
11:41:40AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:41:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:41:42AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:41:44AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:41:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
11:41:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
11:41:49AM >>CLERK:
MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:41:58AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
HI.
11:42:03AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HI.
11:42:06AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
WE ARE GOING TO GO BACK TO STAFF REPORTS.
ITEM NUMBER 3.
NEXT, WEST TAMPA.
ITEM NUMBER 3.
11:42:14AM >>JESUS NINO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
JESUS NINO, WEST TAMPA, DREW PARK, CAC MANAGER.
IN WEST TAMPA, A LOT OF EXCITING THINGS ARE OCCURRING.
ONE OF THE HE THINKS SIGHTING THINGS IS OUR RESIDENTIAL
EXTERIOR GRANT PROGRAM.
WE HAVEN'T REALLY GONE OUT THERE VERY BROADLY JUST YET AS
FAR AS ADVERTISEMENT, BUT SO FAR THEY HAVE COMPLETED FOUR
PROJECTS.
WE HAVE CLOSED ON THEM.
THAT MEANS WE HAVE ALREADY PAID OUT THE FUNDING.
REPLACE ROOFS.
WE HAVE TWO PICTURES HERE OF TWO OF THE HOMES THAT HAD NEW
ROOFS REPLACED ON THEM AND EXPENDED UP TO $51,000.
BASICALLY $52,000 TO STATE.
COMMUNITY MEETINGS MAY 7 COMMUNITY FEST OUR WEST TAMPA CRA
EVEN AT JULIAN B. LANE TO PROMOTE OUR PROGRAMS AND GRANT
PROGRAMS.
ON JUNE 1, A COMMUNITY EVENT AT THE MLK CENTER SPECIFICALLY
FOR THIS GRANT PROGRAM TO WORK WITH HOMEOWNERS OUT THERE AND
HELP THEM FILL OUT THEIR APPLICATIONS AND WE HOPE TO HAVE
MANY, MANY EVENTS WITH OUR COMMUNICATION INDIVIDUALS TO
START SPREADING THE WORD.
WE KIND OF GOT ALL THE KINKS OUT FOR THE MOST PART.
WE ARE HAPPY ABOUT THAT -- ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR GRANT.
WE ARE ALSO WORKING WITH AN ADDITIONAL AS WE SPEAK.
TO HELP THEM WITH GRANT APPLICATIONS.
OUR PARKING STUDY IS BASICALLY COMING TO A CONCLUSION PRETTY
SOON.
WE HAD OUR FINAL BASE -- HOPEFULLY OUR FINAL COMMUNITY
MEETING MARCH 23, 2023 AT THE MLK COMPANY.
WORKING WITH POND AND COMPANY AS CONSULTANT.
THE CORRIDOR STORY IN 2020.
THE FINDING IN THE STUDY TO DO A PARKING STUDY FOR THE MAIN
AREA.
AND ONCE WITHER DONE WITH THAT REPORT, WE WILL TAKE IT TO
OUR CAC IN MAY.
IF EVERYTHING GOES AS WELL, WE WILL BRING IT TO YOU FOR YOUR
BLESSING BASICALLY, HOPEFULLY IN JULY OR AUCTION.
THAT IS WEST TAMPA.
ANY QUESTIONS?
ORDINANCE MANISCALCO ANY QUESTIONS?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:44:37AM >> GO OVER TO DREW PARK.
IN DREW PARK, MANY EXCITING PROJECTS.
MANY OF THEM THE STUDY PHASE.
THIS IS WORKING WITH PLACE MAKER DESIGN STUDIOS TO COME UP
WITH CONCEPTS AND PRICING ESTIMATES FOR THE IMPROVEMENT OF
TAMPA BAY LINEAR.
TAMPA BAY BOULEVARD, LINEAR PARK, AND ALSO POTENTIALLY A NEW
COMMUNITY PARK ON HUBERT AVENUE.
CONSULTANT HAD A FEW COMMUNITY MEETINGS AT HILLSBOROUGH
COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
NEXT STEPS FOR THEM TO PUT TOGETHER COST ESTIMATES THAT WE
CAN USE FOR BUDGETING PURPOSES OR BASICALLY A CAC AND CRA
WILL LOOK AT PROJECTS TO DO IN DREW PARK.
THAT CONCLUDES THE REPORT.
NIP QUESTIONS?
11:45:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:45:33AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
IF I MAY ADD, THERE IS A LOCATION ABOUT ONE BLOCK WEST OF
LOIS.
I BELIEVE THE NAME OF THE STREET IS COOLIDGE AND TAMPA BAY
BOULEVARD.
USED TO BE AREA WHERE SEMIS WOULD COME IN AFTER DOING THEIR
WEEKLY STAY THERE AND PARK THERE AND CLEANED OUT AND AN
ACRE, TWO ACRES, THREE ACRE.
A PRETTY BIG OPERATION.
CAN YOU TELL US WHAT IS GOING THERE?
DO YOU KNOW?
I DO NOT.
BUT I CAN FIND OUT FOR YOU.
11:46:05AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THEY ARE CLEARING IT OUT AND DOING THE
ELEVATION AND WORK ON IT.
A BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY.
ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE LOCAL ELECTRICAL WHOLE SALE
COMPANY.
A BEAUTIFUL LOCATION AND I HOPE SOMETHING NICE IS COMING.
11:46:20AM >> HOPEFULLY.
WE WILL FIND OUT FOR YOU.
11:46:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY ELSE?
NO?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. McCRAY.
INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY .
11:46:33AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
GOOD MORNING, CEDRIC McCRAY, EAST TAMPA CRA MANAGER.
OKAY.
FIRST THING I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT IS AN INITIATIVE WE
PARTNERED WITH FIFTH THIRD BANK AND HABITAT FOR HUMANITY ON
STAR STREET A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
WE RECEIVED SEVERAL REQUESTS FOR EXTERIOR HOUSING REHAB.
WE DIDN'T HAVE A PROGRAM IN PLACE AT THAT TIME.
AND WE PARTNERED WITH FIFTH THIRD AND HABITAT FOR HUMANITY
TO WORK WITH SEVERAL OF THE RESIDENTS.
SEVERAL VOLUNTEERS THERE.
COUNCILMAN GUDES CAME AND SPOKE TO THAT GROUP ASSEMBLED THAT
MORNING.
IT WAS VERY COOL THAT DAY.
WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE A POSITIVE EFFECT ON ONE BLOCK AND FOUR
OR FIVE HOMES HAVE RECEIVED SOME ATTENTION SINCE THEN.
SO -- SO I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.
THE EAST TAMPA OVERLAY UPDATE WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING
COMMISSION ON FEBRUARY 13.
AND IT WILL BE COMING BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL, I BELIEVE,
SOME TIME IN MAY OR JUNE FOR YOUR RATIFICATION.
TREE TRIMMING UPDATE.
WE HELD A MEETING WITH THE VENDORS ON FEBRUARY 17, JUST AS A
YEARLY OR ANNUAL TOUCH BASE ON SOME OF THE PROGRAMS,
SUCCESSES, FAILURES, CHALLENGES, AND GET ANOTHER VIEWPOINT
ON SOME 679 THINGS AND HOW TO IMPROVE AND OPEN THE LINES OF
COMMUNICATION EVEN BETTER EXPEDITE PAYMENT.
EAST INDUSTRIAL WORKSHOP WERE INVITED TO SPEAK TO A GROUP OF
BUSINESS OWNERS ALONG COLUMBUS DRIVE, GOING EAST OF 34th
TOWARD 50th STREET.
SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE DISCUSSED WERE REVOLVING AROUND
SOME OF THE EAST TAMPA CRA GRANT PROGRAMS SUCH AS FACADE AND
THE LIKE AND EXPANDING THOSE PROGRAMS BECAUSE THOSE BUSINESS
OWNERS HAVE SUCH LARGE PARCELS.
$50,000 MATCH MAY NOT GO AS LONG -- GO AS LONG AS THE
AMOUNTS WILL INCREASE.
THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE ONGOING.
THE EMERGENCY ROOFING PROGRAM.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR APPROVAL SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.
WE COMPLETED UP TO 41 ROOFS.
AND HAVE ANOTHER VENDOR THAT WE ARE GOING ON BOARD TO HELP
WITH THAT WORK.
AND THAT WAS AS OF APRIL 12.
HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH CITYWIDE MOBILITY PLANS AND TAMPA
MOVES.
THERE IS GOING TO BE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT TACKING PLACE DURING
THE EAST TAMPA PARTNERSHIP MEET INFORMATION THE MONTHS TO
COME.
SUBCOMMITTEES ARE MEETING REGULARLY.
WE HAVE FILLED -- I AM HAPPY TO SAY WE FILLED THE OSS 3
POSITION THAT WAS VACATED BY MISS HUGHES LAST SUMMER.
AND LOOKING FORWARD TO ON-BOARDING THAT INDIVIDUAL HERE VERY
SOON.
FDOT, EAST TAMPA STREETSCAPE MEETINGS ARE GOING ON AND WE
HAVE HAD SOME GOOD DISCUSSIONS OF SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT
RESIDENTS HAVE ALONG HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE AND IF MARTIN
LUTHER KING, JR. AND THOSE CONVERSATIONS WILL BE ONGOING.
I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THE EDUCATION FAIR TAKING PLACE IN
MIDDLETON HIGH SCHOOL.
IF I DON'T OUR CHAIR FRAN TATE WILL BE E-MAILING ME APRIL 29
FROM 10 A.M. TO 2 P.M. AND THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO COME OUT
AND PARTICIPATE AND LEARN MORE OF THE CRAS AND HEALTH
CHECK-UPS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE TAKING CARE OF OUR
BODIES.
PUBLIC COMMITTEE OF THE EAST TAMPA CRA LOOKING FOR MOBILITY
AND THE PUBLIC ART DEPARTMENT.
MAY 13, WE SCHEDULED TO DO A CROSSWALK IN CONVERSATION WITH
MOBILITY OF SOME OF THE THOROUGHFARES IN EAST TAMPA THAT HAD
TRAFFIC INCIDENTS AND FATALITIES.
34 CAYUGA AND POTTER AND HOPEFULLY WILL BE DOING A CROSSWALK
THERE AND WILL HAVE SOME OTHER EVENTS COMING ON IN THE
FUTURE.
THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT.
ANY QUESTIONS?
11:50:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:50:49AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WAS THERE A RECENT MEETING WITH ALL THE
CONTRACTORS?
11:50:53AM >> WHICH CONTRACTORS WERE YOU --
11:50:55AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THINK FOR HOUSING REHAB.
11:50:57AM >> NO.
11:50:58AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALL THE CONTRACTORS THAT -- SO THEY ARE
READY TO DO WORK IN THE CITY PART OF THE JOBS PROGRAM.
IS THAT --
11:51:11AM >> THERE WAS A MEETING THAT WAS FACILITATED BY PROCUREMENT.
THAT WAS NOT OUR MEETING.
YES.
IT WAS TO -- IT WAS TO OPEN UP DISCUSSIONS AND JUST KIND OF
TALK ABOUT THE JOB PROGRAM ITSELF.
11:51:26AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION HE WERE MOVING
FORWARD WITH THE JOB PROGRAM TO HELP WITH THE OWNER-OCCUPIED
REHAB TO GET SOME OF THE STUFF MOVING.
WE ARE NOT THERE YET?
11:51:37AM >> YES, WE WERE SLATED TO HAVE THE PRESENTATION IN APRIL.
THE HOUSING SUBCOMMITTEE CHAIRPERSON WAS OUT OF TOWN AND
WILL BE BRINGING THAT TO THE CAC IN MAY.
11:51:46AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
11:51:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY ELSE?
11:51:49AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT PROGRAM -- I THINK -- I THINK SINCE WE
ALREADY HAVE ALL THESE ON BOARD WITH THE CITY THAT THE JOB
PROGRAM -- I BELIEVE IT CAN MOVE FASTER WITH THOSE
INDIVIDUALS PAUSE THERE ARE MORE OF THEM.
IT INVOLVES OTHER CRITERIA AND CAN MOVE.
THAT WITH AS A BIG WIN.
I AM HOPING A BIG WIN TO PUSH THIS STUFF OUT.
MONEY.
SO THOSE WHO SAY WE DON'T HAVE MONEY, WE NEED TO GET IT
GOING AND 23409 WORRY ABOUT ACD.
AND WORRY HOW WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PUSH THE MONEY WE
HAVE AND LOOK AT THE CRITERIA.
I BELIEVE TO -- TO MOVE IT A LITTLE BIT FASTER.
TO MOVE THAT CRITERIA A LITTLE BIT AND WORK ON SOME OF THESE
HOUSES.
11:52:33AM >> YES, SIR.
THE BIGGEST THING TO MAKE SURE WE ARE IN LINE WITH THE
PROCUREMENT PROCESS.
11:52:38AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT IS THE PROBLEM TOO.
THAT HAS BEEN THE PROBLEM.
OKAY, ALL RIGHT.
11:52:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, SIR.
YES, MA'AM.
11:52:46AM >> GOOD MORNING, COURTNEY ORR, YBOR CITY DEVELOPMENT
MANAGER.
I HAVE A VARIETY OF ITEMS LISTED HERE BUT IN THE INTEREST OF
TIME, I WILL HIGHLIGHT THESE.
THE ARCHWAY LIGHT PROJECT THAT YOU HEARD ABOUT OVER A DECADE
IS FINALLY COMPLETED AND WE ARE CELEBRATING IT WITH A BANNER
DROPPING.
PLACE THE BANNER ACROSS THE STREET ACROSS ONE OF THE
ARCHWAYS AND DROP THAT BANNER LAND HAVE THE PARTNERSHIP
LOGOS WITH THE NEW CRA LOGO ON IT.
THAT TAKES PLACE NEXT WEDNESDAY AT 11 A.M.
IF YOU CAN ATTEND, PLEASE DO.
THEN IN -- WITH REGARDS TO THE CENTENNIAL PARK RFQ ISSUED.
WE RECEIVED SIX STRONG RESPONSES.
SO THE COMMITTEE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO SHORT LIST SIX DOWN TO
POSSIBLY TWO OR THREE DECIDED TO ACTUALLY INTERVIEW ALL SIX
RESPONSES.
THEY ARE CONSULTANTS THAT RESPOND TO THAT RFQ.
AN INTERVIEW OF ALL SIX ON MAY 2.
THEN IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO SEE THE NEW MURAL
LOCATED AT THE YBOR CRA OFFICE BUILDING 2715 EAST 7th
AVENUE.
PLEASE DO.
A GREAT EXAMPLE OF HOW YOU CAN CELEBRATE HISTORY WITH ART.
SO SING WE CAN SEE A LOT MORE OF THAT IN YBOR.
TO ME, I THINK IT WOULD MAKE PERFECT SENSE IN YBOR.
THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT.
11:54:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE ONE QUICK COMMENT.
IN CENTENNIAL PARK BY THE IMMIGRANT STATUE, SIGNS UP, UNITED
STATES STATE OF FLORIDA FLAG.
THEY ARE TATTERED.
ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT AND WILL THEY BE REPLACING THAT?
11:54:33AM >>COURTNEY ORR:
PARKS -- I WILL MAKE A NOTE.
WHEN WE SEE THE SITUATIONS WITH BAD WEATHER AND WIND, THEY
WILL REPLACE THEM FOR US.
11:54:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYBODY ELSE?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:54:45AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:54:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.
11:54:51AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. INCOME CRAY, I HAVE MAILS.
JOB IF MISS HILL HAVE THEM OR NOT, THEY SENT SEVERAL E-MAILS
IN REFERENCE TO A TREE -- C.T. CAN PROBABLY SEND YOU THAT
E-MAIL.
AT THAT TREE INSIDE OF MEMORIAL PARK THAT IS -- I GUESS
FALLEN OVER OR ABOUT TO FALL -- ABOUT TO FALL OVER.
AND IT IS UPROOTING SOME OF THE -- STONES.
THE HEADSTONES.
GIVE YOU THAT.
AND MAYBE HILLS HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO IT YET.
BUT WE WANT TO LOOK AT THAT.
11:55:28AM >> NORMALLY -- THAT HAPPENED LAST SUMMER AND BROUGHT TO MY
ATTENTION OF COPELAND-MILLER IN AN AREA WHERE HER FAMILY IS
LOCATED BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS.
IT IS PRIVATE PROPERTY.
PARKS AND RECREATION -- TO CALL PARKS AND RECREATION TO DO
THE WORK.
11:55:46AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
PRIVATE PROPERTY NOW.
MISS AILEEN HENDERSON SENT IT TO US.
I TALKED TO HER EARLIER.
PRIVATE PROPERTY.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GO AND DO ANYTHING ON IT.
BUT WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
11:55:59AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
11:56:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
11:56:01AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
GO ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
CRA BOARD, WE ARE ASKING THAT WE TAKE ITEMS 5, 6 AND 10
TOGETHER.
THEY ARE ALL INTERRELATED TO THE SERVICES AGREEMENT.
11:56:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
11:56:21AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
THE SERVICES AGREEMENT YOU WERE PROVIDED A
SUBSTITUTION FROM MR. MASSEY YESTERDAY THAT WAS ONLY THE
TABLE IN THE SUB I DID -- SUBSTITUTION WAS CHANGED.
IT IS VERY SIMILAR IN STRUCTURE TO WHAT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE
PAST SEVERAL YEARS.
THERE HAVE BEEN THREE -- THERE ARE THREE CHANGES I WANT TO
POINT OUT TO YOU.
UNDER ARTICLE III WHERE IT TALKS, ARTICLE III, SECTION A,
TALKS OF CRA DIRECTOR AND STAFF.
THE CHANGE THAT WAS MADE IN THIS AREA REALLY ALIGNS TO THE
DIRECTION YOU HAVE SET IN THE RESTRUCTURING OF THE CRA PLUS
THE POSITIONS THAT WE REQUESTED.
THIS -- EXCUSE ME.
THIS CHANGE ALSO INCLUDES FOUR FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT
POSITIONS EXCLUSIVELY MANAGING HOUSING PROGRAMS WITHIN THE
CRAs AND ONE ADDITIONAL FULL-TIME POSITION TO MANAGE ART
PROGRAMS IN PRESIDENT CRA.
THESE ARE A TOTAL OF FIVE POSITIONS THAT WILL BE ACCOUNTED
FOR IN THE AMENDMENT TO THE CRA BUDGET.
ADDITIONALLY, IN THIS SERVICES AGREEMENT, THE LAST SERVICE
AGREEMENT WENT ON UNTIL 2022.
THIS SERVICE AGREEMENT, WE ARE REQUESTING THAT YOU TAKE IT
BACK TO OCTOBER 1, 2022.
INSTEAD OF US COMING BACK TO YOU IN OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR FOR
ANOTHER SERVICES AGREEMENT, WE ARE ASKING YOU TO TAKE IT OUT
UNTIL THE END OF 2024.
FISCAL YEAR 2024.
IN SECTION B OF ARTICLE III, THE COMPENSATION PIECE.
THIS IS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT -- ABOUT THE CHANGES TO -- IF
THERE IS AFTER A VACANCY IN THE CRA POSITION, THE CITY WILL
PROVIDE AN INTERIM CRA DIRECT.
THIS THIS SECTION, THE CRA BOARD -- THE CRA AS AN AGENCY
WILL REIMBURSE FOR THOSE COSTS.
IT ALSO ADDRESSES THE COMPENSATION OF -- OF INTERIM OR IF
SOME KIND OF COMPENSATION FOR THE ADMINISTRATOR AND DEPUTY
ADMINISTRATOR TO BE SERVING IN THIS ROLE.
IT ADDRESSES THAT PURSUANT TO CHANGES IN THE PERSONNEL
MANUAL AS REQUESTED.
AND THEN FINALLY THE LAST CHANGE TO THE SERVICES AGREEMENT
IS UNDER PAYMENTS, A WHICH IS ARTICLE 4.
THIS IS THE BIGGEST CHANGE.
THIS RESTRUCTURE THAT WE ARE -- THAT I PROPOSED TO YOU GUYS
IS TO HAVE NOT CRA STAFF BEING GEOGRAPHICALLY ONLY WORKING
IN ONE AREA.
THEY WILL WORK WITH ALL DISTRICTS BASED ON NEED USING THEIR
SPECIALTIES THEY HAVE.
AND THE WAY WE ARE DOING THAT IS -- DURING THE EXPENSE
ALLOCATION BY PARSE DAMAGE IN EACH CRA DISTRICT.
YOU LOOK AT THAT TABLE YOU NOTICE THE DIFFERENT PERCENTAGES
FOR EACH ONE OF THE CRA DISTRICTS AND HOW THEY WILL BE
ALLOCATED.

I DID A 2022 ANALYSIS USING THAT PERCENTAGE JUST TO SEE
WHAT THE NUMBERS WOULD LOOK LIKE.
THE NUMBERS MOSTLY FOR THE MOST PART ARE THE SAME, AND I
WILL PUT ON THE ELMO.
11:59:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO AS YOU ARE SPEAKING, THE ONE WE VOTE
ON IS ITEM 10 FOR THE SERVICES AGREEMENT, AND YOU ARE
DISCUSSING ITEM 6, CORRECT?
11:59:48AM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
5 AND 6, YES.
5 AND 6 IS ADDRESSED IN THE SERVICES MEMO.
11:59:53AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
A QUESTION.
12:00:03PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
SURE. I JUST WANTED TO DO THE
PRESENTATION AND THEN WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS, I MEAN DISCUSS
IT.
SO ITEM 5, THE ARTS POSITION AND THE STAFFING, THAT'S
INCLUDED IN THE SERVICES AGREEMENT.
ITEM NUMBER 6 IS TAKEN CARE OF THROUGH THE SERVICES
AGREEMENT, AND NUMBER 10 IS THE SERVICES AGREEMENT.
SO WHAT YOU SEE ON THE ELMO, I WAS JUST TALKING TO YOU ABOUT
THE CHART THAT SHOWS THE ALLOCATION, EXPENSE ALLOCATION, AND
WHAT IT'S BROKEN DOWN INTO BY THE SIZE OF THE TIF INCREMENT.
AND SO IN 2022 THE EXPENSES THAT WERE MADE FOR SALARY WAS
$312,000.
WITH THIS JUDGMENT IT'S DOING IT BASED ON THAT PERCENTAGE.
THE PROPOSED REIMBURSEMENT FOR 2022 WOULD HAVE BEEN 339,000.
JUST SHOWING YOU THAT IT WENT UP A LITTLE BIT, BUT NOT A
LOT.
CENTRAL PARK WOULD HAVE GONE UP, BUT THE BIGGEST CHANGE
WOULD BE TO THE DOWNTOWN NON-CORE WITH THEIR PERCENTAGE.
THE OTHER DISTRICTS, THEY WENT UP SLIGHTLY.
SOME OF THEM WENT DOWN.
SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN HOW WE ARE DOING CALCULATION.
BUT THE BENEFITS TO THAT IS WHAT YOU HAVE MOVED FORWARD WITH

THIS RESTRUCTURING IS HAVING THE BENEFIT OF ALL THE CRA
STAFF WORKING IN WHERE THE NEED IS, WORKING ON ALL THE
DIRECTS OF THE SO THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO TAKE CARE OF IT.
THANK YOU.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
12:01:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMEMBER GUDES THEN CARLSON.
12:01:37PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WANT TO GO TO 6, THE MEMO OF MR.
BENNETT, AND MR. DRUMGO AND MS. TRAVIS.
AND I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, THE COMPENSATION,
AND THE NUMBERS WHEN I LOOK AT WHAT THE DIRECTOR IS
CURRENTLY MAKING THEN, AND THAT PERSON RESIGNED TO NOW, I AM
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, COME UP WITH
PROPER COMPENSATION.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF MR. BENNETT IS GOING TO COME AND EXPLAIN
THAT BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE BOTH OF YOU ARE PROPERLY
COMPENSATED AND NOT JUST SAY HERE IS A BLANK NUMBER HERE AND
IT DOESN'T COME UP TO THE STANDARD I FEEL THAT YOU SHOULD BE
COMPENSATED.
12:02:21PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENTS.
UNDER THE COMPENSATION SECTION OF THE SERVICES AGREEMENT, IT
GIVES THE CHIEF OF STAFF THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE ANY
ADJUSTMENTS FOR COMPENSATION ACCORDING TO THE PERSONNEL
MANUAL.
SO IN HIS DISCRETION HE DID MAKE THAT.
WHAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR, I BELIEVE WHAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR

IS IF A POSITION WAS VACANT AT $165,000 FOR A FULL YEAR, YOU
ARE SUGGESTING TO SPLIT THAT 165,000-DOLLAR AS COMPENSATION
FOR THE TWO OF US, AND RESPECTFULLY I THANK YOU, I
APPRECIATE THAT, BUT WHAT THAT WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT WE WERE
DEDICATING 100% OF OUR TIME WITHOUT BEING DIVIDED TO DOING
THAT POSITION AND THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
WE ARE NOT DEDICATING 100% OF OUR TIME BECAUSE WE ARE ALSO
BALANCING THE OTHER TITLE AND RESPONSIBILITIES THAT WE HAVE.
SO THAT WOULD NOT BE FAIR TO DO.
THAT'S NOT AN EQUITABLE WAY TO DO THAT.
12:03:31PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID.
WHAT I AM SAYING IS, FROM THE TIME YOU AND MR. DRUMGO TOOK
THE POSITION UNTIL NOW, WHATEVER CITY TIME THAT YOU DID CITY
BUSINESS OR CRA BUSINESS, I WANT TO KNOW THAT TO MAKE SURE
YOU ARE GETTING THE MONEY, THE PERCENTAGE OF THAT.
I THINK THE -- WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO GET FOR THIS PARTICULAR
ASSIGNMENT SUBTRACTING WHATEVER CITY TIME, AND NOW WE SAY
THIS IS THE MONEY SPLIT BETWEEN YOU AND MR. DRUMGO.
12:04:04PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
A COUPLE THINGS.
AND MR. BENNETT HAD A CONFLICT SO HE'S NOT HERE TODAY, AND I
CAN'T GIVE YOU AN EXACT FIGURE, BUT A COUPLE THINGS.
WE DON'T -- THEY DON'T KEEP TIME BASED UPON WHEN THEY ARE
DOING THEIR CITY JOB OR THEIR CRA JOBS SO THERE'S NO
TRACKING OF THAT INTERNALLY IN OUR SYSTEM.
WHAT THIS AGREEMENT, THE SERVICES AGREEMENT ALLOWS IS FOR A

SUPPLEMENT OR A BONUS OR AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT, AND MRS.
TRAVIS AND MR. DRUMGO WERE PROVIDING SERVICES TO THE CRA
BECAUSE THEY ARE WORKING THIS JOB ON TOP OF THEIR OTHER JOB.
WHAT IS ALSO OCCURRED AT THE SAME TIME IS HAS BEEN A CHANGE
IN PERSONNEL MANUAL WHICH WOULD ALLOW THE CHIEF OF STAFF TO
PAY MORE THAN THE 4% CAP, SO HE HAS GOT A FIGURE THAT'S MORE
THAN 4%, I BELIEVE, BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT THAT
IS.
12:05:03PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IT SAYS DIRECTOR ANSWERS TO THE CRA BOARD,
CORRECT?
SO WHO, IN THAT CASE, WHO SETS THE DIRECTOR'S SALARY?
IS IT PERSONNEL?
THE PERSONNEL JUST LIKE CITY COUNCIL, SHOULD BE CITY COUNCIL
ATTORNEY.
12:05:27PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
IT'S PARTICULARLY SET IN THE BUDGET THAT
YOU APPROVE WITH THE CRA WHAT THAT SALARY WILL BE.
BUT WE ARE IN A BIT OF A STRANGE SITUATION FOR A WHILE NOW
WHERE YOU DO HAVE A CRA DIRECTOR POSITION THERE, BUT IT HAS
BEEN EMPTY.
AND SO YOU HAVE HAD MS. TRAVIS AND MR. DRUMGO FILLING THAT
IN ON AN INTERIM BASIS.
NOW, IS THAT ENTIRE AMOUNT GOING TO BE PAID OVER TO THEM
UNDER THIS?
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE.
YOU HAVE TO ASK MR. BENNETT EXACTLY WHAT -- IF HE HAS A

FIGURE IN MIND TO SUPPLEMENT, I THINK, AND IT'S DEFINITELY
MORE THAN 4%.
12:06:03PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW.
IRREGARDLESS, IF THEY DID CITY WORK AND CRA WORK,
IRREGARDLESS OF THAT, IT SHOULD BE -- IRREGARDLESS OF WHAT
YOU SAY -- BECAUSE THEIR TIME IS NOT CALCULATED AS A CITY
EMPLOYEE.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE, THESE FOLKS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB.
12:06:23PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
AND I BELIEVE YOU WILL GET A SUPPLEMENT TO
RECOGNIZE THEIR ADDITIONAL SERVICES THAT GOES ABOVE WHAT
TYPICALLY YOU WOULD GET TO RECOGNIZE SUPPLEMENTAL SERVICES.
I THINK THAT'S THE INTENT.
BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T BREAK UP OUR TIME THAT WAY, AND I THINK
FOR MR. BENNETT'S PERSPECTIVE, AND I DON'T MEAN TO SPEAK FOR
HIM, THE TIME THEY SPENT ON THE CRA BOARD IS AWAY FROM THE
TIME THEY WOULD BE INTEND SPENDING ON THEIR OTHER CITY
POSITIONS.
SO HE RECOGNIZES THAT THEY ARE DOING MORE AND THERE NEEDS TO
BE A SUPPLEMENT PAID TO THEM TO ADDRESS THAT THEY ARE DOING
MORE, BUT THIS GIVES THEM 165,000 --
12:07:00PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM JUST SAYING.
12:07:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
12:07:20PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM NOT GOING TO ASK YOU FOR A SPECIFIC
NUMBER BETWEEN THE THREE OF YOU, YOURSELF, AND MR. BENNETT,

HAVE YOU ALL COME TO AN UNDERSTANDING WITH MR. BENNETT?
12:07:31PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
YES, SIR.
12:07:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THAT NUMBER,
WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS?
BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE
IN THE FRONT OF ME.
AM I SAYING YOU ARE SATISFIED WITH IT?
12:07:44PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THIS TO BED, YES.
12:07:48PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I JUST WANT TO GET TO THE CHASE.
IS MR. DRUMGO ALSO SATISFIED?
YOU ARE SATISFIED.
SO THERE SHOULD BE NO MORE DISCUSSION.
12:07:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO MOVED.
12:08:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION THEN.
12:08:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WELL, WE DON'T NEED A MOTION.
12:08:06PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I KNOW THAT BOARD MEMBERS GUDES HAS WORKED
HARD ON THIS AND PUSHED HARD FOR IT.
I SUGGEST TWO THINGS THAT WE DO, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO
SOMETHING TODAY.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU MAKE A MOTION, PICK A DOLLAR THAT
YOU THINK THE TWO OF THEM SHOULD SHARE, MAKE A MOTION THAT
WE ASK CHIEF BENNETT TO CONSIDER THAT NUMBER TO EQUITABLY
DIDN'T TO THE TWO, AND THEN BY THE CURRENT AGREEMENT HE CAN
MAKE THAT MIND BUT THAT'S AT LEAST ONE MORE HAIL MARY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE EITHER BUT IT MIGHT BE A

BIGGER NUMBER THAN WHAT'S THERE.
THE SECOND THING IS, I THINK WE OUGHT TO -- I DON'T KNOW IF
I CAN DO THIS OR WAIT TILL AFTER WE APPROVE THE AGREEMENT
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CREATE AN ADDENDUM THAT
ENABLES THE CRA BOARD TO ISSUE BONUSES TO THE CRA STAFF.
12:09:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:09:15PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DO I HAVE A SECOND OR NOT?
I MOVE THAT -- TO ASK STAFF TO COME BACK IN THE JULY MEETING
TO PRESENT A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE CONTRACT FOR APPROVAL
THAT WOULD ENABLE THE CRA BOARD TO ISSUE BONUSES TO CRA
STAFF.
12:09:38PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND.
12:09:43PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I WOULD CAUTION YOU ON THIS, THEY ARE CRA
STAFF, THEY ARE CITY EMPLOYEES, SO THEY ARE SUBJECT TO THE
POLICIES OF PERSONNEL MANUALS, SO ALL OF THAT REALLY IS
COVERED IN THE CITY PERSONNEL MANUAL.
12:09:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
AS WE SAID FOUR YEARS AGO, OUR LEVERAGE IS
THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO OUTSOURCE IT TO THE CITY.
WE CAN HIRE OUR OWN STAFF, WE CAN CREATE -- IT'S BEEN DONE
IN THE PAST.
12:10:04PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THAT'S FINE, BUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO USE
THE CITY STAFF TO CARRY OUT THE CRA POLICIES, THEN THE CITY
PERSONNEL POLICY --
12:10:17PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SO QUESTIONED EMBEDDED IN THIS WOULD BE
SINCE THE CITY OFFERS LEGAL AND OTHER HR ADVICE TO US, THAT

IF WE PROPOSE BRINGING THIS ADDENDUM BACK IN JULY, THEN THE
CRA STAFF WOULD HAVE A CHANCE TO MEET WITH LEGAL AND HR AND
CHIEF BENNETT AND THEY COULD DECIDE WHAT THEY THINK, THEY
CAN DECIDE IF THEY NEED TO MODIFY THE PLANS, BUT IF WE DON'T
HAVE ANY CONTROL TO SET THE SALARIES OF CRA STAFF AND WE
DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE THEN THEY
DON'T REALLY REPORT TO US, THEY ARE CITY STAFF.
AND SO WE NEED SOME LEVERAGE TO BE ABLE TO MOTIVATE STAFF TO
PERFORM AT A HIGHER STANDARD.
SO ANYWAY, MY PROPOSAL IS OUT.
12:11:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND, COUNCILMAN
GUDES AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:11:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M SURPRISED TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS
COMING, NOT THAT -- WANT TO REDUCE THE BUDGET, OF STORMWATER
OR SOMETHING BY 25%.
I AM NOT AGAINST RAISES.
I ASKED BOTH INDIVIDUALS IF THEY WERE SATISFIED AND THEY
SAID YES.
SO SPOKE TO WHOEVER IS MAKING THE DECISION, I GUESS THAT
WOULD BE MR. BENNETT.
I DON'T DEAL THAT WAY.
WHEN I RAN FINANCE COMPANIES, WHEN I RAN THINGS OF THAT
NATURE, I WOULD HAVE A MEETING AND FIND OUT WHAT WE DID AND
WHAT WE DIDN'T DO AND WHATEVER THE STANDARD IS AT, HOW WE
CAN COMPENSATE EACH OTHER.

BUT I'M NOT A GAME PLAYER JUST TO PLAY THE GAME.
I WISH THE RAYS' GO 161 GAMES WITHOUT LOSING.
IS IT POSSIBLE?
IT CAN HAPPEN.
SO I AM NOT AGAINST RAISES.
BUT FOR ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT TO DO,
BY THE WAY THAT'S WHY I GOT ELECTED, THE SAME AS ANYBODY
REPRESENTS, TO FIND OUT WHAT IT IS AND WHERE IT WAS, AND AT
LEAST I HAVE ASKED AND BOTH OF YOU SAID YES, THAT YOU WERE
SATISFIED.
AND WHEN YOU TAKE SOMETHING AND YOU TAKE SOMETHING, WHEN YOU
PAY FOR BOTH THINGS, THAT MEANS AT ONE TIME YOU HAD TO TAKE
PART OF THIS TIME TO DO PART OF THAT JOB, MAYBE HAD TO WORK
A COUPLE MORE HOURS A DAY, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT I JUST DON'T OPERATE THAT WAY, AND I AM NOT OPPOSED TO
VOTING BY MYSELF.
I HAVE DONE THAT MANY TIMES.
AND I AM SURPRISED THAT WE ARE DOING THIS.
THEY WANT TO FURTHER TEAR APART THIS GOVERNMENT BY
CONTINUING SAYING THAT THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE CRA ARE IN
CONFLICT.
WELL, IF YOU DON'T WANT THE EMPLOYEES TO BE CITY EMPLOYEES,
GET YOUR OWN EMPLOYEES.
SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
YOU WON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO ANYTHING.

SO I AM JUST SAYING THAT I AM THROUGH PLAYING GAMES, AND I
DON'T MEAN TO BE DISRESPECTFUL TO ANYONE HERE, BUT IF I HAVE
TO VOTE ALONE THE REST OF MY LIFE, AS LONG AS I AM HERE, I
DON'T MIND DOING IT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND HAVE A VERY NICE DAY.
12:13:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ISSUES WITH ALL RESPECT, AND YOU HAVE BEEN AROUND A LONG
TIME, BUT YOU ASKED IF THEY WERE SATISFIED.
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO TELL YOU THEY ARE UNSATISFIED, SIR.
I AM JUST BEING HONEST WITH YOU.
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO TELL YOU THAT.
THEY ARE CITY EMPLOYEES.
I AM LOOKING AT A POLICE OFFICER.
HE KNOWS HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED.
HE'S NOT GOING TO SAY HE'S UNHAPPY.
I HAVE BEEN AN EMPLOYEE.
I KNOW HOW THAT WORKS.
AND BEING A CITY EMPLOYEE, YOU KNOW HOW THE PLAYBOOK IS.
SO THEY AREN'T GOING TO SAY THEY ARE SATISFIED JUST TO MOVE
ON AND GIVE THEM WHATEVER WE GIVE THEM.
BUT I KNOW IT'S NOT ALWAYS DESERVED BUT WE CAN MOVE ON AND
VOTE ON IT.
MR. CARLSON, I AM NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION.
THEY SAY THEY ARE SATISFIED BUT I KNOW IN THEIR HEARTS I

KNOW THEY AIN'T SATISFIED AND WE HAVE TO MOVE ON.
THANK YOU.
12:14:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CITRO.
12:14:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WHEN YOU SAY STAFF ARE
YOU TALKING ABOUT THE TOP TIER OR ALL CRA STAFF?
BECAUSE IF YOU ARE TALKING ALL CRA STAFF, CORRECT ME IF I AM
WRONG, CRA STAFF, SOMEBODY THAT'S PAID THROUGH THE CRA
FUNDS, AND AS THEY WERE AT CITY.
12:14:45PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
THE CRA STAFF IS 100% OUT OF THE CRA
BUDGET.
12:14:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SO IN THAT CASE --
12:14:52PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
LET ME SAY HE AND I ARE THE ONLY TWO.
WE ARE CITY EMPLOYEES, AND IN THIS COMPENSATION, THE
SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH THIS COMPENSATION PIECE, THAT WOULD
BE THE PORTION OF CRA, BUT THE CITY GENERAL FUNDS, SIR.
12:15:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MY QUESTION, IF MR. CARLSON IS TALKING
ABOUT ALL CRA STAFF, AND THEY ARE PAID WITH THE CRA BUDGET,
BUT WE HAVE TO ASK THE CRA ITSELF.
12:15:21PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
YOU ARE IF CRA BOARD.
12:15:23PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
FOR TRANSPARENCY.
12:15:25PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
MAY I OFFER SOME COMMENTS?
I APPRECIATE -- THIS CONVERSATION -- THE REASON WE ARE
HAVING THIS CONVERSATION IS BECAUSE OF THE WORK THAT WE ARE
DOING.
WE WOULD LIKE TO HIRE HARD WORKING PEOPLE WITH GRIT WORKING

ON OUR TEAM AND TO BE COMPENSATED EXTRA FOR DOING EXTRA
WORK.
WE ARE HERE BECAUSE WE ARE PUBLIC SERVANTS.
WE LOVE WHAT WE DO.
WE ARE GOOD AT IT.
AND SO GIVE US THE TOOLS THAT WE NEED TO DO THE WORK, WHICH
IS SOME OF THAT IS IN HERE WITH THE FIVE FULL TIME
POSITIONS.
REGARDING BONUSES AND REWARDING STAFF, I APPRECIATE THAT.
I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S DIRECTED TO THE WORK THAT WE ARE
DOING.
BUT WE RECEIVE A PAYCHECK FOR THE WORK THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED
TO DO.
THAT'S THE MOTIVATION.
AND THAT SHOULD BE THE MOTIVATION, WE ARE PAID, AND WITH ALL
DUE BONUSES, LIKE I SAID.
12:16:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:16:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF WE WERE A SEPARATE ENTITY THAT HAD OUR
OWN STAFF -- AND I AM NOT PROPOSING THAT, AND AS I SAID
EARLIER THE ADMINISTRATION HAS WORKED REALLY CLOSELY WITH US
THE LAST YEAR OR SO, BUT KEEP IN MIND THE TWO YEARS BEFORE
THAT, WE HAD ROOMS FULL OF PEOPLE COMING COMPLAINING BECAUSE
NOT ENOUGH THINGS WERE GETTING DONE, AND WE WERE MAKING THE
MOTIONS BUT NOTHING WAS GETTING DONE.

AND SO TO ME THIS IS A -- I AM GOING TO BE TRANSPARENT -- A
NEGOTIATION BETWEEN THE CITY STAFF AND THE CRA THAT WE NEED
TO THINK CREATIVELY, BECAUSE THE CRA NEEDS TO BE MORE
NIMBLE, MOVE FASTER AND GET MORE RESULTS.
AND THE WAY YOU DO THAT IS TO FIRST OF ALL HOLD PEOPLE
ACCOUNTABLE, AND HOPEFULLY THE NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WILL
HAVE SOME ABILITY TO DO THAT, WORKING WITH CITY STAFF, AND
THEN THE SECOND THING WOULD BE TO REWARD PEOPLE.
AND MY PROPOSAL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THESE TWO FOLKS.
THE PROPOSAL IS JUST TO ASK THE CITY STAFF TO HAVE A
DISCUSSION ABOUT AMENDING THE CONTRACT SO THAT WE CRA BOARD
HAVE THE RIGHT TO PUT FORWARD BONUSES, AND TO BOARD MEMBER
CITRO'S VERY GOOD COMMENT, MOST LIKELY THAT WOULD -- WHAT
WOULD HAPPEN IS THAT THE CRA DIRECTOR WOULD PROPOSE TO US
BONUSES FOR THEIR STAFF, AND THEN WE WOULD APPROVE IT.
SO ALL THIS DOES, MY PROPOSAL IS JUST FOR US TO PUT IN THE
CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT.
AND THE PURPOSE OF IT IS TO HAVE THE CITY STAFF, ESPECIALLY
CHIEF OF STAFF, WORK THROUGH THE LEGAL AND OTHER ISSUES TO
TRY TO FIGURE OUT IF WE CAN DO IT, AND IF WE CAN, HOW WOULD
WE DO IT?
IF WE PUT IT IN THE CONTRACT THEN WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THE
CRA DIRECTOR TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BONUS PEOPLE, HOW MUCH AND
INFORM WHAT.
THE WHOLE PURPOSE IS TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE, SO THEY HIT

THEIR GOALS.
IF WE COME BACK IN JULY AND SAY CAN'T DO IT, ABSOLUTELY NOT,
THEN WE ARE STUCK.
SO ALL I AM ASKING IN THIS MOTION IS FOR US TO ASK CITY
STAFF TO LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING AN ADDENDUM TO
ENABLE THE CRA BOARD TO PROVIDE BONUSES TO CRA STAFF, AND TO
HAVE THE CITY STAFF REPORT ON THEIR JULY CRA MEETING.
12:18:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON,
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
IT'S TIDE.
12:19:01PM >> ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:19:11PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
12:19:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
12:19:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
12:19:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:19:22PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
12:19:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO.
12:19:32PM >> THE MOTION FAILS.
12:19:33PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
THERE WAS A QUESTION ON ITEM 6, I BELIEVE.
12:19:41PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAVE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THE OVERALL
CONTRACT.
12:19:45PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
OKAY.
READY?

12:19:51PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE -- IN PRIOR YEARS, AS
I RECALL, NICOLE AND I HAD A LONG CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS
YESTERDAY AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH, BUT IN PRIOR YEARS I
RECALL THERE WAS A DOLLAR AMOUNT IN THE CONTRACT, AND THIS
YEAR WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
AND THEY ARE ASKING US TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS WITHOUT
THE BUCKETS, AND YOU JUST PRESENTED LIKE A WORKING STRONG
MAN ON THE DOLLARS WHICH LOOKED OKAY.
BUT IN JULY THEY ARE GOING TO COME BACK AND ASK US TO
APPROVE THE BUDGET.
AND SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS JUST BEFORE WE MAKE A
MOTION TO ASK CRA STAFF TO REPORT IN A JULY MEETING ON THE
BUDGET THAT WAS CONTRACTED FOR EACH OF THE LAST FOUR YEARS,
AND THE BUDGET AMENDMENTS THAT WERE APPROVED FOR EACH OF THE
LAST FOUR YEARS.
SO THAT SHOULD BE A REAL SIMPLE THING.
12:20:52PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
SO WHAT WAS IN THE CONTRACT FOR FOUR YEARS
AND THAT ULTIMATELY WHAT WAS APPROVED WHEN THEY TRUED UP
THE --
12:21:00PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES, SO IT WOULD JUST BE A SPREADSHEET THAT
SAYS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT AND THEN TO THE RIGHT THE ADDENDUM
AMOUNT AND THEN THE TOTAL.
REAL SIMPLE CHART.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO HAVE CRA STAFF
PRESENT THAT CHART AT THE JULY MEETING, BEFORE THE BUDGET.

12:21:21PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
THE BUDGET PRESENTATION.
12:21:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION BY CARLSON, SECOND BY GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
12:21:29PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE SECOND ONE, I THINK BECAUSE IN PRIOR
YEARS THE CONTRACT INCLUDED A DOLLAR AMOUNT, I WOULD LIKE TO
MAKE A MOTION TO ASK STAFF TO COME BACK IN THE JULY MEETING
TO PRESENT A BUDGET -- SORRY, A CONTRACT AMENDMENT THAT
WOULD INCLUDE A BUDGET AMOUNT, SO THAT WOULD GO -- MORRIS
AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY -- THAT WOULD GO HAND IN
HAND WITH THE BUDGET, SO WE APPROVE THE BUDGET AND THEN
SEPARATELY WE WOULD APPROVE AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONTRACT
WHICH WOULD INCLUDE A BUDGET NUMBER.
12:22:01PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
OKAY.
12:22:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECOND
FROM COUNCILMAN --
12:22:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU HAVE A BUDGET AMOUNT, AND THEN YOU
HAVE WHAT HAPPENED, AND THEN YOU SHOW THE DIFFERENCES?
12:22:18PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
YES.
THAT'S CORRECT SIR.
RIGHT NOW WHAT HAPPENED, THE CONTRACT HAS A DOLLAR AMOUNT.
BECAUSE OF VACANCIES, HIRING, FLUCTUATE, SO WE TRUE UP AT
THE END.
12:22:29PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO PROBE WITH THAT.
12:22:30PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
I THINK WHAT HE'S ASKING FOR SINCE WE

DON'T HAVE AN ESTIMATE IN THIS BUDGET NOW, ONCE WE GET THOSE
NUMBERS, THE PROJECTION FOR THE FUTURE YEARS, BRING AN
AMENDMENT SO WE COULD PUT THAT IN THE AGREEMENT.
IT STILL DOESN'T PRECLUDE THAT YOU WON'T HAVE TRUE-UP AGAIN
AT THE END.
12:22:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WAS GOING TO SAY ALTHOUGH IT SOUND
GREAT THE VARIABLES MAY BE DIFFERENT, HIGHER OR LOWER BASED
ON WHAT HAPPENED DURING THAT YEAR.
THERE'S ALWAYS A TRUE-UP AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
12:22:55PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
SINCE THIS COVERS TWO FISCAL YEARS, WE
WOULD PROBABLY HAVE ONE FIGURE FOR FY 23 AND THEN ANOTHER --
12:23:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
GOT IT.
12:23:06PM >>BILL CARLSON:
AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS JUST TO SHOW
THAT THE PUBLIC SHOWS WE ARE BEING GOOD CUSTODIANS OF THE
MONEY, TRY TO HOLD THE CITY ACCOUNTABLE, IF THE CITY SAYS
THERE'S MORE MONEY WE CAN ALWAYS APPROVE THAT AT ANOTHER
TIME BUT IT LEAST IT PUTS IN THE CONTRACT.
12:23:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION BY CARLSON, SECOND BY GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
12:23:28PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
LAST THING IS WE TALKED ABOUT STAFF.
THE CITY HAS A LOT OF STAFF MEMBERS.
THE CRA HAS VERY FEW.
AND IN THIS WHOLE ANALYSIS THAT NICOLE HAS BEEN DOING OVER

THE LAST FEW MONTHS, WE HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM
THE PUBLIC ALSO ABOUT PERFORMANCE OF THE DIFFERENT CRA
DISTRICTS, AND NOT TALKING ABOUT ANYBODY IN PARTICULAR, BUT
I WOULD JUST ASK THAT -- AND I AM NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION
BECAUSE I ASK THAT YOU GO THROUGH, AND AS YOU ARE
RESTRUCTURING, DON'T TAKE SOMEBODY AND PUT THEM IN A CUBICAL
DOWNSTAIRS, LIKE REALLY FIND, ARE WE GETTING CRA DOESN'T
HAVE MUCH MONEY TO DEAL WITH, SO ARE WE REALLY GETTING OUR
MONEY'S WORTH?
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CRITICISM FROM CAC MEMBERS AND OTHERS
ABOUT THE AMOUNT WE ARE SPENDING ON PEOPLE AND OVERHEAD AND
THAT WE ARE EXPANDING PEOPLE, SO AT THE TIME WE MIGHT BE
ADDING POSITIONS OR REALLOCATING, IF THERE ARE POSITIONS FOR
PEOPLE THAT WE NEED TO CUT, WE NEED TO DO THAT, TOO.
AND IT MIGHT BE THAT THEY ARE REALLOCATED SOMEWHERE ELSE
WITHIN THE CITY BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO BACK
TO CHIEF OF STAFF OR WHOMEVER AND SAY, HEY, WE DON'T NEED
THESE OTHER TWO POSITIONS, WE ARE HIRING DIFFERENT
POSITIONS, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP THE BUDGET
COSTS AS LOW AS POSSIBLE.
SO I WOULD JUST ASK REVIEWING THE NEW CRA DIRECTOR IF YOU
PLEASE LOOK AT AUTOMOBILE THESE POSITIONS AND MAKE SURE THAT
WE HAVE EVERYTHING THAT'S THERE AND WE ARE GETTING FULL
PRODUCTIVITY FROM EVERYBODY AS TO YOUR REQUIREMENTS.
THANK YOU.

12:24:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:24:58PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM NOT TRYING TO COUNTERPOINT ANYTHING
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THIS YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT
BASED ON WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING OR OTHER, A CRA
COMPARABLE TO THIS ONE, AND WE HAVE OVER 4400 EMPLOYEES IN
THE CITY, AND THE CRA, HOW MANY DO WE HAVE?
I DON'T REALLY KNOW RIGHT NOW.
BUT YOU ARE MIXING APPLES AND OPERATION, AND THE CITY HAS
VERY DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAN THE CRA THAT ARE NOT IN THE
CRA, AND THEY DON'T DO ANY CAPITAL WORK LIKE THE CRA DOES.
SO YOU HAVE TO COMPARE YOURSELF WITH SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE,
AND ANOTHER WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OF EMPLOYEES VERSUS THE
POPULATION OF THAT CITY OR THAT ENTITY.
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.
12:25:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:25:44PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THINK THE BIGGER ISSUE IS THIS.
AND THIS IS WHAT YOU HEAR THE PUBLIC SAY.
HERE IS AN EXAMPLE.
WHY DOES EVERYTHING TAKE SO LONG TO MOVE?
WELL, IF YOU ONLY GOT SO MANY STAFF ON A CRA BUT YOU GOT A
BIG CITY OVER HERE, BUT YET THE CITY IS GOING TO DO WHAT THE
CITY NEEDS TO DO REGULARLY, AND THE CRA PERSON CAN'T GET
THEIR STUFF THROUGH BECAUSE THE CITY BUSINESS COMES FIRST.
THAT'S WHAT I THINK IS THE CHALLENGE, PEOPLE IN THE CRA THAT
CAN MOVE THIS STUFF, AND IN YOUR CRA THAT CAN MOVE THE

ITEMS.
IF YOU HAVE GOT A PERSON THAT DOES HOUSING, OR STAFF THAT
CAN MOVE THAT STUFF, TO MOVE THEIR STUFF, I THINK THAT'S THE
KEY, YOU GET SOME STUFF MOVING, DESIGNATED PEOPLE TO GO TO.
I HAVE FIVE OTHER PEOPLE, AND YOU ARE HANDLING ALL OUR CRA
WORK, WE ARE GETTING IT DONE.
SO THAT'S JUST MY THEORY.
12:26:46PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
MAY I?
12:26:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
12:26:49PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
THE FOUR POSITIONS THAT WE ARE ADDING
EXCLUSIVELY FOR HOUSING, WORK ONLY ON CRA HOUSING
INITIATIVES.
BUT I TAKE ISSUE, IF ANY CRA MANAGER OR SOMEBODY ON CRA
STAFF SAYING THAT CITY BUSINESS IS COMING FIRST IN THE
INTERNAL DEPARTMENTS, IT'S NOT TRUE.
IT'S NOT TRUE.
SO I ALSO WANT TO ADDRESS THE E-MAIL THAT YOU GUYS RECEIVED
IN YOUR IN BOX SAYING HOW LONG THINGS TAKE TO MOVE.
YES, IT'S BEEN HISTORICALLY TAKING A LONG TIME TO MOVE.
THERE ARE OPERATIONAL CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE HAD.
THERE'S BEEN TURNOVER.
THERE'S A LOT OF BUREAUCRATIC RED TAPE THAT DOESN'T NEED TO
BE THERE WITH SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS IN REGARD.
BUT WE ARE BEING HELD TO A DIFFERENT STANDARD AND TIMELINE
THAN WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY ALLOWED IN THIS SPACE, RIGHT?

SO EVERYBODY WANTS THE RESULTS LIKE TOMORROW.
IT TAKES FOREVER TO MAKE SOME OF THESE, NOT FOREVER BUT IT
TAKES A LONG TIME TO MAKE SOME OF THE CHANGES WE ARE MAKING.
YOU ARE MOVING A NAVAL SHIP TO GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
WE ARE LAYING THE FOUNDATION TO DO THAT.
SO I TAKE ISSUE IF SOMEBODY IS SAYING THAT IT GOES TO A
DIFFERENT INTERNAL CITY SERVICE DEPARTMENT AND IT GOES --
THAT'S NOT TRUE.
THAT'S NOT TRUE.
AND I WILL ALSO SAY THAT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE NOT
HAPPENING IS BECAUSE OF THE POLICIES THAT YOU HAVE OR HAVE
NOT ADDRESSED WITH THE CACs, LIKE YOU HAVE CACs AND
SUBCOMMITTEES, I AM GOING TO SAY HERE BECAUSE I HAVE SAID IT
BEFORE, THOSE SUBCOMMITTEES TO THE CACs WAS A SUBSTITUTION
FOR WHAT HADN'T WASN'T HAPPENING ON THE STAFF LEVEL, OKAY?
AND SO IF THINGS ARE BEING SLOWED DOWN, I SHOWED YOU A
PRESENTATION OF 24/7 MEETINGS THAT WE ARE HAVING TO STAFF.
YOU HAVE 13 PEOPLE STAFFING 247 MEETINGS.
WE ARE TRYING TO RIGHT THAT SHIP.
BUT THERE'S A SHARED RESPONSIBILITY IN THIS.
THERE'S A SHARED RESPONSIBILITY BY THE CACs, AND KNOWING
THEIR ROLE, THERE'S A SHARED RESPONSIBILITY BY THE C BOARD
FOR YOU TO MAKE HARD DECISIONS REGARDING POLICIES IN THE
CACs MOVING FORWARD.
THERE'S A SHARED RESPONSIBILITY ON THE ADMINISTRATION.

THE GOAL WE WANT THE ALL OF US WANT THE SAME THING TO HAPPEN
BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.
AND WE ARE HOLDING PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE.
SO COUNCILMAN CARLSON IS ASKING FOR ME TO LOOK AT POSITIONS,
AND JOB DESCRIPTION.
WE WILL START LOOKING AT JOB DESCRIPTIONS BECAUSE IF I AM
WORKING AT 150% EVERYBODY ON MY TEAM NEEDS TO BE WORKING AT
150%.
AND SO I AM SAYING THAT TO YOU AS A CRA BOARD AND I AM ALSO
SAYING IT TO THE CRA STAFF.
I AM NOT PLAYING GAMES RIGHT NOW, RIGHT?
THE CRAs HAVE AN EXPIRATION DATE.
WE SHOULD BE ALL OPERATING UNDER A SENSE OF URGENCY TO BE
OUT OF A JOB, CRAs.
THAT'S THE KIND OF URGENCY AND WORK WE ARE DOING WITH CRAs
AND THAT'S THE EXPECTATION I HAVE.
AND I AM SAYING IT HERE ON CAMERA BUT I AM SAYING IT FOR
THEM TO HEAR ME, TOO.
THAT'S THE EXPECTATION I HAVE AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE GOING
TO DO MOVING FORWARD.
I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER THE QUESTION THAT YOU ARE ASKING.
12:30:08PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THINK YOU ARE PLAYING -- THAT'S GOOD.
12:30:17PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
THERE'S WORK TO BE DONE.
WE ARE HERE TO DO THE WORK.
AND I ASK YOUR FAVORABLE APPROVAL OF THE SERVICES AGREEMENT

TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN CONTINUE MAKING THE CHANGES THAT
YOU HAVE DONE.
YOU HAVE DONE THE HEAVY LIFTING IN HAVING THESE DIFFICULT
CONVERSATION IT IS LAST SEVERAL MONTHS.
YOU HAVE MADE INCREMENTAL DECISIONS.
THE SERVICES AGREEMENT TIES THAT UP AS WELL.
ALL RIGHT?
12:30:41PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I GOT YOU.
12:30:50PM >> MOVE APPROVAL.
12:30:52PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
12:30:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL IN FAVOR?
12:30:55PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I DON'T WANT TO CUT YOU ALL OFF BUT IF YOU
ALL COULD MOVE THE SUBSTITUTION --
12:31:05PM >>> ANYTHING ELSE?
12:31:08PM >> NO.
12:31:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOVE THE SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION.
12:31:11PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST REAL FAST, NICOLE, TO WHAT WE ARE
SAYING ABOUT STAFF, AS YOU ARE HANDING OFF TO THE NEW
PERSON, IF YOU COULD WORK WITH HER AND I GUESS CHIEF OF
STAFF TO MAKE SURE TO WHAT BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA WAS SAYING,
THE WORK IN THE CRA IS DIFFERENT THAN THE WORK IN OTHER CITY
DEPARTMENTS, SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S MEASURABLE
ACCOUNTABILITY AND STANDARDS, AND THAT THAT'S REVIEWED
REGULARLY BY THE NEW CRA DIRECTOR, AND PROBABLY IN TANDEM
WITH HR OR CHIEF OF STAFF.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A STAFF OF PERFORMANCE CRITERIA
FOR EACH ONE THAT'S BUILT AROUND CRAs, NOT OTHER CRA
ACTIVITIES.
12:31:48PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
PERFORMANCE EVALUATION.
12:31:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU MOVED TO MOVE THE SUBSTITUTE
RESOLUTION?
12:31:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
FOR ITEM NUMBER 10.
12:31:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
GREAT.
YES, MA'AM, ANYTHING ELSE?
12:32:04PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS:
NO.
I THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE OF REQUIRED APPROVALS.
WE SHOULD MOVE THIS THROUGH PRETTY QUICKLY.
12:32:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
ITEM 11 IS THE NEXT FOR APPROVAL.
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED BY VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
NEXT IS ITEM 12.
VIERA, MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
ITEM 13.
COUNCILMEMBER MIRANDA, COUNCILMEMBER GUDES.

ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
ITEM NUMBER 14.
MOVED BY COUNCILMEMBER MIRANDA, SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER
GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
NEXT UP WE HAVE SOME APPOINTMENTS, THE CAC.
CAN WE MOVE THEM AS A GROUP, 15 THROUGH 24?
OR DO YOU NEED INDIVIDUAL?
12:32:54PM >> 15 THROUGH 17, I BELIEVE, ARE ALL THE SAME.
MOTION.
12:33:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO MOVE 15 THROUGH 17 BY
COUNCILMEMBER CITRO, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
OPPOSED?
ITEM 18?
MOTION FROM COUNCILMEMBER MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
ITEM NUMBER 19.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
ITEM 20.

COUNCILMEMBER MIRANDA WITH THE MOTION.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR FOR ITEM NUMBER 20?
ALL RIGHT.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION FROM COUNCILMEMBER MIRANDA WITH A SECOND FROM
COUNCILMAN CITRO FOR ITEM NUMBER 21.
SECOND FROM CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
ALL RIGHT.
KID MASON, THEM 22.
12:33:45PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
TELL ME ABOUT KID MASON, REPROGRAMMING
MONEYS.
12:33:48PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THIS IS A REPROGRAMMING IN ORDER TO
ACCOUNT FOR THE ADDITIONAL COSTS.
YOU ALL HAD SOME FEEDBACK AND THERE WERE ALSO NUMBERS ON THE
BID SO THIS IS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET.
12:34:02PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHEN ARE WE GOING TO START IN THIS HAS
BEEN A LONG TIME COMING.
THIS IS GOING ON FOUR YEARS.
12:34:08PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE PROJECT
MANAGEMENT TEAM BUT THIS IS ON THE FUNDING SIDE.
12:34:13PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SO JEFF DOESN'T HAVE AN ANSWER?
I MEAN, WE TALKED ABOUT FOUR YEARS LATER.

12:34:17PM >> THIS WENT OUT TO BID.
THIS MONEY COVERS WHAT THE BID IS.
ONCE WE GET THIS WHAT APPROVAL, CONTRACT MANAGEMENT, THE BID
IS LET AND GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS.
SO WE ARE ON THE WAY TO CONSTRUCTION.
THIS IS THE LAST ITEM.
12:34:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION BY MIRANDA, SECONDED BY CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THAT WAS ITEM 22.
ITEM NUMBER 23.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
ITEM NUMBER 24.
ITEM NUMBER 24 -- YES, MA'AM?
12:34:51PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAVE A COPY OF THE ANNUAL REPORT FOR YOU
ALL.
SO I WILL PASS THOSE OUT.
12:34:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WITH THE MOTION.
ALL IN FAVOR ON ITEM NUMBER 24?
ANY OPPOSED?
12:35:04PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU REAL FAST TO
BOARD MEMBER GUDES AND BOARD MEMBER CITRO, THE LAST MEETING
IS TODAY, AND JUST THANK YOU FOR PARTNERING WITH US ALL IN

THE LAST FOUR YEARS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK.
12:35:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I ECHO THOSE SENTIMENTS.
THOSE WERE BOTH WORKED VERY, VERY, VERY HARD.
YOU ARE ALWAYS COMMITTEE COMMUNITY AND YOU ARE NOT GOING
AWAY.
JUST BECAUSE YOU AREN'T SITTING UP HERE I KNOW YOU ARE GOING
TO BE JUST AS INVOLVED AND THE PEOPLE APPRECIATE IT.
ANYONE ELSE?
12:35:42PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THIS CRA IN TERMS OF CHANGING THE SCOPE OF
THE CRA WITH THESE TWO GENTLEMEN HAS BEEN TREMENDOUS.
SO I ECHO THOSE SENTIMENTS.
12:35:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
INFORMATION REPORTS AND NEW BUSINESS.
12:35:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
12:35:57PM >>LUIS VIERA:
NO.
12:35:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO.
THANK YOU.
12:36:02PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NO, SIR.
12:36:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE BY
COUNCILMEMBER MIRANDA, SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
WE ARE ADJOURNED.
THANK YOU.
[MEETING ADJOURNED]


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