TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, MARCH 16, 2023
9:00 A.M.

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[GAVEL SOUNDING]
09:01:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GOOD MORNING.
TAMPA CITY COUNCIL IS NOW IN SESSION ON THIS DAY, MARCH 16,
2023.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE INVOCATION.
09:01:15AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES, SIR, GOOD MORNING.
I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE REVEREND CHRISTIAN WOOD UP.
FATHER CHRIS WAS BORN AND RAISED IN QUEENS, NEW YORK, A
LIFE-LONG EPISCOPALIAN.
HE GREW UP GOING TO HIS LOCAL PARISH GRACE CHURCH
WHITESTONE.
FATHER CHRIS BEGAN HIS JOURNEY WITH OUR LORD.
GROWING UP, HE ENJOYED PLAYING BASKETBALL AND ROOTING FOR
BELOVED NEW YORK METS AND GIANTS.
ATTENDED JOHN JAY COLLEGE OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE AND EARNED
A BS IN STUDIES, AND WHILE WAITING FOR THE POLICE ACADEMY TO
CONTINUE, TOOK A FULL-TIME POSITION AS VIDEOGRAPHER AND EDITOR
AND DURING HIS TIME, FATHER CHRIS, AND HIS NOW WIFE,
CATHERINE, BEGAN TO DATE.
MOVED TO ATHENS, GEORGIA AND WORKED FOR THE NEW YORK METS.
KATE AND CHRIS WERE MARRIED JANUARY 6, 2007 AT THE CHURCH OF
IN SEATTLE.
IN 2009, GOD CALLED FATHER CHRIS TO SERVE AS YOUTH MINISTER.
SENT HIM IN SEMINARY AND EARNED A MASTER'S AFTER
SEMINARY.
FATHER CHRIS RETURNED TO REDEEMER AS A PRIEST ON FEBRUARY 1,
2022.
FATHER CHRIS BEGAN THE RECTOR OF ST. JOHN'S PARISH IN TAMPA.
COMES TO ST. JOHN'S WITH WIFE AND THREE CHILDREN.
HE LOVES SOFTBALL, GO ON LONG WALKS, AND PLAY BASEBALL
WITH FRIENDS.
HE IS HALLOWED AND ADORED THROUGHOUT TAMPA.
THANK YOU, FATHER CHRIS.
LET'S STAND AND THEN WE WILL DO THE PLEDGE OF
ALLEGIANCE.
09:03:04AM >> LET US PRAY.
HEAVENLY FATHER, IN YOUR WORD, YOU HAVE GIVEN US A VISION OF
THAT HOLY CITY TO WHICH THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD BRING THEIR
GLORY.
YOU HOLD AND VISIT WE PRAY THE CITIES OF THE EARTH, THE
TIDES OF MUTUAL REGARD FROM OUR CIVIC LIFE.
SEND US HONEST AND ABLE LEADERS AND ENABLE US TO HAVE
POVERTY, DEPRESSION PEACE WITH RIGHTEOUSNESS AND JUSTICE
WITH ORDER AND MEN AND WOMEN WITH DIFFERENT CULTURING FIND
WITH ONE ANOTHER THE FULFILLMENT OF HUMANITY THROUGH JESUS
CHRIST OUR LORD, AMEN.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:04:00AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ROLL CALL.
09:04:02AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
09:04:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
09:04:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
09:04:10AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
09:04:11AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
09:04:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE.
09:04:13AM >>CLERK:
YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:04:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WILL ENTERTAIN MOTIONS TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES OF --
09:04:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO MOVED --
09:04:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
FROM THREE DIFFERENT MEETINGS FEBRUARY 23,
FEBRUARY 23, EVENING SESSION, AND MARCH 2.
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
MR. SHELBY.
09:04:41AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF CITY
COUNCIL.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
I WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION TO ALLOW THE WAIVER OF THE RULES TO
ALLOW THE CONTINUED USE OF CMT.
09:04:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR.
AGAINST?
MOTION PASSES.
CAN WE HAVE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA?
09:05:06AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SO MOVED.
09:05:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
09:05:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE GOT OUR CHIEF UP HERE.
09:05:13AM >>BILL CARLSON:
LET HIM GO FIRST.
09:05:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:05:20AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO SAY ON 13 AND 14 WE UPDATED OUR
RULES A FEW WEEKS AGO ANYTHING REGARDING PURE NEEDS TO SAY
PURE/WASTEWATER OR AUTOMATICALLY GETS CONTINUED FOR 30 DAYS.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE 13 AND 14 TO 30
DAYS TO WHATEVER THE NEXT MEETING IS.
09:05:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEY BOTH SAY "PURE."
09:05:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HAS TO SAY "PURE/WASTEWATER REUSE."
09:05:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES TO CONTINUE ITEMS 13 AND 14 FOR
30 DAYS.
DO YOU HAVE A DATE FOR THAT, COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
09:06:03AM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO?
HANG ON A SECOND.
09:06:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
APRIL 20.
09:06:21AM >>BILL CARLSON:
APRIL 20.
09:06:22AM >>CLERK:
WE HAVE 12 --
09:06:30AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT'S WHY -- HOW ABOUT MAY 4.
09:06:33AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DID WE ADOPT THE RULES FOR 30 DAYS.
09:06:37AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE PROBLEM IS THE AGENDA IS COMPLETELY FULL
IN 30 DAYS.
THE NEXT ONE WITH NO FULL AGENDA IS MAY 4.
09:06:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
BUT OUR ADOPTED RULES ARE FOR 30 DAYS?
09:06:51AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
09:06:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGAIN, A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
HEAR FROM STAFF, PLEASE.
CHIEF BENNETT.
09:07:00AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF
OF STAFF.
IN TALKING WITH STAFF THAT WORKS ON THESE -- THESE MOTIONS,
THERE IS ONLY ONE SIMPLE REQUEST IS THAT IF THE MOTION CAN
BE CONFIGURED THAT WAY SO IT HAS BOTH THOSE TERMS IN IT, I
THINK STAFF, FROM WHAT I AM HEARING FEEDBACK AGREES THAT
THOSE TWO ITEMS SHOULD BE TRANSPARENT TO THE PUBLIC.
JUST THAT WE DON'T GET TO CONTROL HOW THE MOTION REACHES THE
AGENDA.
SO WE CAN MAKE SURE ON THE AGENDA TO REQUEST BOTH OF THOSE
ITEMS.
AND THEN -- THEN THE DOCUMENTS SUBSEQUENT TO THAT IS MY
UNDERSTANDING THAT STAFF WILL MAKE SURE THEY COMPLY WITH
THAT.
SO JUST, AGAIN, A WORKING THING REQUEST.
09:07:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
CHIEF OF STAFF.
09:07:50AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AGAIN, THAT DATE SO THE ABOUT PUBLIC IS
AWARE.
09:07:53AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MAY 4.
09:07:54AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MAY 4 UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
09:07:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CHIEF, LET'S GO THROUGH THE AGENDA.
09:08:00AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
UNDER ADMINISTRATION UPDATE.
THERE ORIGINALLY WAS NO UPDATE BUT ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY
HARVEY HAS TO REQUEST A RECOMMENDED MOTION FOR COUNCIL TO
APPROVE A SHADE MEETING FOR AN UPCOMING LITIGATION ITEM, I
BELIEVE.
SO THAT WILL BE ON ITEM 3 IF THAT IS AGREEABLE.
09:08:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WITH CONSENT OF COUNCIL, IS THAT AGREEABLE?
09:08:26AM >>BILL CARLSON:
BUT CAN WE -- MR. CHAIR.
THERE IS ANOTHER WORD FOR IT.
I DON'T -- I DON'T LIKE THE WORD YOU JUST USED.
09:08:36AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
WHAT I HEAR FROM -- I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT THE
WORD I ALWAYS HAVE BEEN GIVEN.
09:08:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IT IS A CLOSED SESSION FOR THE PURPOSE OF
DISCUSSING A CONFIDENTIAL LEGAL MATTER SO IT WON'T FURTHER
PUT THE CITY IN JEOPARDY OF -- OF FURTHER POTENTIAL LAWSUIT
OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT.
09:08:56AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHY -- WE WILL ADDRESS THIS WHEN THE ITEM
COMES UP.
09:09:01AM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS BECAUSE CONCERN
ABOUT -- ABOUT NOT -- NOT DISCUSSING THINGS IN THE PUBLIC.
AND WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR THE PUBLIC WANTS TRANSPARENCY.
THERE ARE VERY FEW EXCEPTIONS WHERE -- IT MAKES SENSE TO
HAVE AT LEAST A CLOSED-DOOR SESSION TO DISCUSS SOMETHING
THAT WILL EVENTUALLY BECOME PUBLIC.
09:09:22AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:09:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. SHELBY.
09:09:25AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT'S CORRECT.
THIS IS A -- A LEGISLATIVE STATUTORY EXCEPTION TO THE PUBLIC
MEETINGS LAW, BUT THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED WITH MR. HARVEY
WHEN THE TIME COMES, PLEASE.
09:09:37AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE, WHEN -- WE
ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO MEET IN PRIVATE.
WE ARE SUPPOSED TO MEET IN WHAT IS CALLED "THE SUNSHINE."
WHEN THE COUNCIL DOES HAVE TO MEET WHERE THERE IS NO
RECORDINGS OF THE MEETING TAKEN, THAT IS KNOWN AS "THE
SHADE."
SIMPLE VERBIAGE.
09:09:55AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN, WHEN THE TIME COMES, THERE WILL
BE -- MR. HARVEY, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THIS NOW, BUT
JUST FOR THE SAKE OF CLARITY, EVERY MEETING IS SUBJECT TO
SUNSHINE WITH CERTAIN CONDITIONS.
THERE WILL BE A COURT REPORTER PRESENT.
THIS MEETING WILL BE TRANSCRIBED AND ANNOUNCED AT THE TIME
PER STATUTE BY MR. HARVEY AND ADOPTED BY COUNCIL.
THANK YOU.
09:10:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OKAY.
LET'S MOVE ON, CHIEF.
09:10:22AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
NUMBER 4 IS A MEMO AND REQUIRES A VOTE, AND
STAFF WILL BE PRESENT FOR THAT.
STAFF HAS A RECOMMENDATION WORKING IN CONCERT WITH CITY
COUNCIL ON NUMBER 5, DUE TO THE $77.6 MILLION ITEM.
WE ARE AWARE CLEARLY -- THE PUBLIC IS AWARE THAT THERE IS A
MOTION THAT IS SUPPOSED TO COME FORWARD IN THE COUNCIL OF A
WORKSHOP NEXT WEEK OF A $20 MILLION THRESHOLD HAVING TWO
MEETINGS.
AND SO WE WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THAT DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR,
ERIC WEISS IS HERE.
HE SUBMITTED A MEMO.
HE HAS BRIEFED JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY IN THE NORMAL BRIEFING
CHANNELS, BUT WE WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT AND HONOR THE FACT
THAT THAT MOTION IS ONLY A WEEK AWAY.
SO IF IT IS COUNCIL'S WISHES TO HEAR THIS TWICE, STAFF IS
AMENABLE TO THAT.
SO TODAY, MR. WEISS IS AVAILABLE TO DO A QUICK PRESENTATION,
AND THEN WE CAN TAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM COUNCIL AND COME
BACK AT THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING AND THAT HAS BEEN OKAYED BY
JEAN DUNCAN, THE ADMINISTRATOR AND THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR
IN FAIRNESS TO THE UPCOMING MOTION THAT IS ONLY A WEEK OUT.
SO WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
09:11:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:11:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO THANK THE ADMINISTRATION FOR
PROPOSING THAT AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO HEAR
THIS -- HEAR THE PRESENTATION TODAY BUT TO BRING THIS BACK
ON -- WHAT -- I AM TRYING TO LOOK AT THE CALENDAR.
WHAT IS TWO WEEKS?
09:11:56AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
SHOULD BE THE FIRST WEEK IN APRIL -- FIRST
FULL MEETING IN APRIL.
09:11:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
APRIL 6.
09:12:02AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SHOULD BE A SHORT DISCUSSION, BUT WHAT THAT
DOES AND THE MOTION COMING UP NEXT WEEK DOES, GIVES THE
ABOUT PUBLIC A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN TWICE JUST LIKE LAND USE
ISSUES.
IF SOMEONE WANTS TO BUILD A EIGHT-FOOT FENCE, HEAR THAT
TWICE.
STARTING NEXT WEEK, HOPEFULLY IF AN ITEM IS OVER $20
MILLION, IT WILL BE HEARD BY THE PUBLIC TWICE EVEN THOUGH
NOT A LONG DISCUSSION THE SECOND TIME, GIVES THE PUBLIC TWO
CHANCES TO WEIGH IN.
MY MOTION IS TO HEAR IT TODAY, BUT THEN TO HAVE IT COME BACK
ON APRIL 6.
09:12:33AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID.
09:12:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE?
OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
09:12:45AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
COUNCIL, JUST FOR CLARITY, WE EXPECT
DIRECTOR WEISS TO PRESENT BRIEFLY ON THAT ITEM?
OKAY, GREAT.
HE IS HERE IN THE AUDIENCE.
ITEM 6, OVERS $3 MILLION ITEM.
IT HAS BEEN MEMOED, BRIEFED, AND STAFF OF IS PREPARED FOR
THAT.
REQUIRES A VOTE.
ITEM 7, STAFF REQUESTED?
09:13:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
09:13:15AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I CAN'T IMAGINE 8 AND 9 ARE NOT REQUESTED.
09:13:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THEY ARE.
IF I MAY, COUNCIL, WE WILL HEAR THESE AT THE SAME TIME.
WE ARE ALSO GOING TO HEAR FROM THE FIRE UNION.
I DO ASK FROM THE REQUEST OF ALL THE PRESENTERS THAT NO
QUESTIONS BE ASKED UNTIL AFTER THE FULL PRESENTATION BY
FIRE, POLICE, AND UNIONS.
THANK YOU.
09:13:38AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.
ITEM 10, A MEMO FOR AN UPDATE.
DO YOU ASK MR. BHIDE?
09:13:48AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR --
09:13:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, THIS IS YOURS.
09:13:52AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF WE CAN JUST DISCUSS IT BRIEFLY AT LEAST
AND THEN WILL ALSO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT -- IN
PUBLIC COMMENT, IF THERE IS ANY PUBLIC FEEDBACK.
09:14:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, YOU WANT THAT?
09:14:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
09:14:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
12.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:14:12AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WILL HAVE COMMENTS AT THE TIME BUT DON'T SEE
A NEED FOR QUESTIONS.
09:14:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
13 AND 14 HAVE BEEN CONTINUED.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU HAVE 15?
09:14:24AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
09:14:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
16 IS COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:14:29AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
09:14:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
17, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:14:34AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
09:14:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, NUMBER 18?
09:14:39AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I AM FINE ON THAT.
09:14:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE CAN REMOVE THAT.
MAKE A MOTION.
09:14:44AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MAKE A MOTION FOR -- TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
09:14:47AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
09:14:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
PASSES.
09:14:59AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY -- IF I CAN, MR.
CARLSON, AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO MR. CARLSON AND AGENDA
REVIEW.
COUNCIL, I AM GOING TO ASK -- I NEED TO MAKE REVISIONS TO
ADDRESS SOME ISSUES THAT I THINK WILL HAVE TO BE TAKEN UP TO
MAKE THE ORDINANCE BETTER, AND I KNOW TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE
AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THIS BE PUT ON NEXT WEEK'S WORKSHOP
PRESENTED TO COUNCIL.
I SHOULD HAVE IT ON COUNCIL BETWEEN TOMORROW AT THE LATEST.
I WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THE MOTION JUST SO IT IS CLEAR FOR
THE AGENDA.
IT WILL BE -- I AM ASKING THAT COUNCIL REQUEST THAT I BRING
BACK A PROPOSED ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE LEGAL
REPRESENTATION OF ELECTED OFFICIALS.
AND THAT WOULD BE PRESENTED TO YOU.
AND THEN IF COUNCIL WISHES TO GO FORWARD, THEY WILL BE
PLACED ON FIRST READING OF THE FOLLOWING WEEK.
09:15:47AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SO MOVED.
09:15:48AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND.
09:15:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND SECONDED
BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:15:53AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE DIDN'T PICK A DATE.
09:15:55AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
LAST ITEM ON NEXT WEEK'S WORKSHOP.
MADAM CLERK, I WILL GET YOU THAT LANGUAGE.
09:16:03AM >>CLERK:
YES.
09:16:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR.
AYE.
OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
09:16:13AM >>BILL CARLSON:
A QUICK COMMENT.
MARTY ON THAT TOPIC, CHIEF OF STAFF GOT ADDITIONAL IDEAS
FROM TALKING TO OTHER CITIES.
BESIDES LEGAL, YOU MAY WANT TO TALK TO HIM TOO.
HE HAS A GOOD IDEA.
09:16:26AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU, I WILL TAKE THAT UP.
09:16:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
20 IS A RESOLUTION.
21, COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO?
09:16:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A REQUEST TO CONTINUE THIS UNTIL APRIL
20, 2023, SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION.
09:16:39AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
AND THEN INFORM COUNCILMAN VIERA, 22 IS YOURS.
09:16:52AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOVE TO CONTINUE ITEM 22.
09:16:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA, SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
ARE WE GOOD, CHIEF?
09:17:08AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
21, 23 AND 24, I BELIEVE.
09:17:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I BELIEVE 23 HAS BEEN ASKED TO CONTINUE TO
APRIL 20.
09:17:16AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
JUST FOR CLARITY FOR THAT TO ALIGN THE TWO
ITEMS ON THE SAME DAY.
09:17:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
09:17:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION?
09:17:25AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MAKE A MOTION POSTPONE IT TO APRIL 20.
09:17:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION AND SECOND.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
THEN COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:17:36AM >>BILL CARLSON:
LIKE TO MOVE TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 24,
FILE NUMBER CM 22-79131 TO MAY 18.
09:17:44AM >> SECOND.
09:17:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
ARE WE GOOD, CHIEF?
09:17:54AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
YES, SIR, THANK YOU.
09:17:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOVE TO CEREMONIAL ACTIVITIES.
09:18:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AND ADDENDUM.
09:18:04AM >>LUIS VIERA:
SECOND.
09:18:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
TAMPA PRIDE IS NOT WITH US TODAY.
THEY WERE GOING TO RECEIVE A COMMENDATION.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, THEY WILL COME AT A DIFFERENT TIME.
09:18:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO CONTINUE TO A FUTURE DATE.
I WILL FORWARD IT.
09:18:23AM >> SECOND.
09:18:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
09:18:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CHAIRMAN CITRO, IT IS ALL YOURS.
09:18:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MAJOR STOUT, SIR.
I LOVE THE PARTIES YOU HAD CELEBRATING YOUR RETIREMENT.
I AM NOT GOING TO MAKE THIS AS LONG AS SHERIFF CRONISTER'S
SPEECH.
I'M NOT GETTING POLITICAL.
THOSE AT THE GARDEN CLUB UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS ALL ABOUT.
YOU HAVE SERVED THE CITIZENS, COUNCILMEMBERS, STAFF,
AUDIENCE.
YOU HAVE SERVED THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA FOR 22 YEARS WITH THE
TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
MAN.
MAN.
MY -- I THANK YOU.
AND I KNOW THAT A LOT OF YOUR PEERS AROUND THE ROOM HERE
THANK YOU AND THE CITIZENS THANK YOU.
MAJOR MICHAEL STOUT.
TAMPA CITY COUNCIL RECOGNIZES MAJOR MICHAEL STOUT TO OUR
COMMUNITY AND CELEBRATE HIS RETIREMENT AFTER 22 YEARS WITH
THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
HIS DEDICATION TO PUBLIC -- TO THE PUBLIC, HIS FELLOW
OFFICERS HAVE MADE THE CITY A SAFER PLACE MAJOR STOUT, A
HIGHLY DECORATED OFFICER GOES BEYOND AND ABOVE THE CALL OF
DUTY.
EXEMPLIFIES SAFETY TO EVERY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.
THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL IS GRATEFUL FOR YOUR SERVICE.
IT IS AN HONOR THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE CITY COUNCIL TO
PRESENT MR. MAJOR MICHAEL STOUT WITH THIS COMMENDATION IN
CELEBRATION OF HIS RETIREMENT AND SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY
ON THIS, THE 16th DAY OF MARCH, 2023.
09:20:52AM >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I APPRECIATE IT.
[APPLAUSE]
09:21:05AM >> IS THIS ME?
IS THIS MY TIME?
09:21:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THIS IS YOUR TIME.
SOMEONE BACK HERE THAT YOU BETTER INTRODUCE.
09:21:13AM >> I WILL START THERE.
PART OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PEOPLE OF THIS THING.
WE WILL DO THAT PART FIRST.
MY WIFE, KELLY.
THESE ARE THREE OF MY SIX BOYS.
ONE GOT TO SKIP SCHOOL TO BE HERE.
HE MAY BE REGRETTING THAT, BUT WE WILL SEE.
OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T DO THIS JOB WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF WHY
YOU ARE FAMILY AND MY WIFE HAS BEEN AN INCREDIBLE --
INCREDIBLE SUPPORTER AS MY KIDS THAT HAVE FOREGONE ME NOT
BEING AT MANY EVENTS OVER THE YEARS.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK COUNCIL.
YOU HAVE, BY AND LARGE, VERY SUPPORTIVE OF OBVIOUSLY THE
DEPARTMENT AND MYSELF.
I WILL TELL YOU THE SAME THING I SAID AT MY RETIREMENT
SPEECH, WHICH IS THAT IF I HAD ONE SKILL PICKING GOOD
OFFICERS TO BE AROUND.
AND YOU HAVE ALMOST 1,000 OTHER ONES THAT ARE.
THIS CITY HAS THE BEST POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE NATION.
MY PROCEDURES AND SISTER FROM FIRE ARE HERE AND I GUESS YOU
I SHOULD POINT OUT YOU HAVE THE BEST FIRE DEPARTMENT IN THE
NATION AS WELL AND I WILL POINT OUT I GOT HERE FIRST TO
CLEAR THE ROOM SO THEY COULD COME IN.
SO, AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF PUBLIC
SAFETY.
YOU ALL HAVE BEEN WONDERFUL SUPPORTERS OF IT BY AND LARGE.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:22:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[APPLAUSE]
ALL RIGHT, HERE WE GO.
09:22:40AM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
THANK YOU TO WHY YOU ARE FAMILY, ESPECIALLY THE SIX KIDS.
AND LOOK FORWARD TO WHATEVER YOU ARE GOING TO DO NEXT.
IF WE CAN BE OF HELP IN WHATEVER THAT IS, PLEASE LET US
KNOW.
WE WANT TO SUPPORT YOU IN THE FUTURE.
09:22:55AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
09:22:56AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL YOUR SERVICE.
AID PLEASURE WORKING WITH YOU LOCALLY IN DISTRICT TWO A LOT
OF TIMES AND YOU HAD SINCERE AND HAD THE INTEREST OF ALL OF
THE PUBLIC AT HEART AND BEING A PROTECTOR AND A PERSON THAT
PLAYS THAT DIVIDING LINE BETWEEN MUCH THE 99% OF PEOPLE.
98% OF PEOPLE IN SOCIETY WHO ARE LAW-ABIDING WHO WANT TO DO
THE RIGHT THING, GO BEYOND THEIR LIVES AND THOSE WHO WILL DO
HARM TO THAT 98%.
THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU
GUYS STAND FOR.
THANK YOU.
09:23:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CONGRATULATIONS AND HAPPY RETIREMENT.
WE HAVE SEEN EACH OTHER A FEW TIMES IN THE LAST WEEK AS YOU
HAVE BEEN CELEBRATED AND RECOGNIZED.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY AND BEST OF LUCK
IN THE FUTURE.
YES, MA'AM.
09:23:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN.
YOUR RETIREMENT CEREMONY WAS BEAUTIFUL, AND I LOVED YOUR
STORIES.
GOT A LOT OF REALLY GOOD BACK GROUND AND HISTORY.
WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE FOR THE DEPARTMENT AND GLAD
YOU ARE NOT GOING TOO FAR AND YOU ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO
WORK AGAIN WITH SOME FORMER COLLEAGUES.
CONGRATULATIONS AND ENJOY -- ENJOY THIS TIME WITH YOUR
FAMILY.
09:24:09AM >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.
09:24:11AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CONGRATULATIONS, MIKE.
09:24:13AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
09:24:14AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME.
GO AND ENJOY YOURSELVES.
SEE YA.
09:24:19AM >> APPRECIATE IT.
09:24:20AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MAJOR STOUT, CONGRATULATIONS.
22 YEARS SEEMS LIKE A LONG TIME, BUT YOU LOOK BACK AND TIME
REALLY FLEW BY.
I REMEMBER TAKING A COURSE OF CRIMINOLOGY FROM SHERIFF , HE
SAID YOU CAN'T THINK OF YOURSELF IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, YOU HAVE TO THINK LIKE A
CITIZEN AND KNOW HOW THE CRIMINALS THINKS TO CATCH THEM.
IMCUMBENT.
RETIREMENT IS JUST A WORD TAMPA MEANS YOU WILL WORK
SOMEWHERE ELSE AT THE HOUSE PICKING UP LEAVES, DOING
PAINTING, PLUMBING OR ELECTRICAL WORK.
IN YOUR CASE, THE EXPERTISE YOU HAVE FLESHED IN YOURSELF AND
TAUGHT OTHERS MEANS TO ME THAT YOU WILL NOT BE RETIRING SO
LONG.
JUST FOR A DAY OR TWO.
SO WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE FOR THE CITIZENS.
22 YEARS IS A LONG TIME STUDY THE UPS AND DOWNS OF ANY
DEPARTMENT AND ANY CITY OR LARGER THAT INDIVIDUALS LIKE
YOURSELF, THE COLLEAGUES AROUND YOU, THOUSAND OR MORE THAT
YOU MENTIONED ARE THE ONES THAT KEEP THE CITY GOING AT A
RATE THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE AND CONTINUE DOING EVERY DAY OF
YOUR LIFE TO SAVE LIVES ON BOTH SIDES.
AND IT IS INCUMBENT UPON YOURSELF AND YOUR FAMILY WHAT THEY
SACRIFICED FOR 22 YEARS TO SAY THAT, MAN, I REALLY ENJOYED
IT, BUT I ALSO SACRIFICED.
WITH THAT, WE WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANKS TO YOU AND THE
DEPARTMENT AND THE THOUSANDS OF OFFICERS THAT WORK WITH YOU.
GOD BLESS YOU AND HAVE A GOOD TIME IN RETIREMENT AND GO TO
WORK TOMORROW.
09:25:53AM >> THANK YOU, APPRECIATE IT.
09:25:55AM >> NOW I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE -- SORRY, OBVIOUSLY I DIDN'T
MENTION -- I REALIZED THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS HIM.
OBVIOUSLY, I MENTIONED MY WIFE AND MY KIDS.
AND I ALSO REALLY SHOULD MENTION MY FATHER AND MOTHER ARE
HERE.
AND OBVIOUSLY MY FATHER SERVED A VERY LONG TIME.
AND SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN THIS CHAMBER LIKE THESE UNION
PRESIDENTS ARE GOING TO DO TODAY.
SO GREG STOUT AND LINDA STOUT HAVE OBVIOUSLY -- I HAD BIG
SHOES TO FOLLOW IN AND GREAT ROLE MODEL.
I AM VERY LUCKY AND, AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR
TIME.
[APPLAUSE]
09:26:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE]
ALL RIGHT, AT THIS TIME WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON NIP ITEM ON THE AGENDA YOU
HAVE THREE MINUTES.
AND WHEN YOU DO APPROACH THE LECTERN, PLEASE STATE YOUR
NAME.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD WITH PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE
APPROACH THE LECTERN AND STATE YOUR NAME.
PUBLIC COMMENT, ANYBODY?
YES, SIR.
09:28:17AM >> JASON MARLOW, GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
SOUTH SEMINOLE HEIGHTS RESIDENT SPEAKING ON ITEM NUMBER 7.
I WANT TO ISSUE A PUBLIC COMPLAINT OF THE PRODUCTION OF THE
NEVER-ENDING STORY WE IS THE BUILDING OF MY STREET WITHOUT
THE COMPLETE FLYING DRAGON.
FOR SEVEN MONTHS, THEY HAVE BEEN WORK ON MY STREET SINCE
ABOUT OCTOBER.
IT HAS ABOUT NEVER-ENDING.
WHEN DO I GET ACCESS TO MY DRIVEWAY.
WHEN IS THE WORK COMMUNICATED TO ME IN A THOUGHTFUL WAY,
WHEN I HAVE ACCESS TO MY STREET.
WHEN I CAN USE MY DRIVEWAY.
I FIND TRASH IN MY YARD, AND YESTERDAY, I FIND OUT SAND IN MY
WATER LINE.
MY WHOLE STREET IS LIKE AN EPISODE OF "THE MAGIC SCHOOL
BUS."
I HOPE THAT SOMEBODY WILL WORK WITH ME TO GET THIS RESOLVED,
I AM SURE NOT JUST ME BUT OTHER PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD
HAVING STAND IN THEIR WATER LINE.
NOT FIXING THEIR FAUCET AND SEEING SAND COME OUT.
ALL OF YOU PERSONALLY ARE DOING GOOD WORK.
09:29:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU ARE ON CARACAS STREET?
09:29:21AM >> CORRECT.
09:29:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM NELSON
CONSTRUCTION AND MAKE SURE THEY APRIL DRESS IT.
MUCH.
09:29:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:29:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF THE GENTLEMAN FROM NELSON CAN RAISE YOUR
HAND SO Y'ALL MAYBE CAN CHAT OUTSIDE BEFORE ALL THIS, BUT WE
WILL 100% ADDRESS THAT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:29:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NEXT, PLEASE.
09:29:46AM >> MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
I WANT TO SAY YOU HAVE TO STAY ABREAST OF EVERYTHING GOING
ON.
UHURU, MEANS FREEDOM IN SWAHILI.
WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE NEED TO THINK OF OUR FREEDOM FROM THE
TIME WE WAKE UP, GO TO SLEEP, WE SHOULD BE THINKING OF OUR
FREEDOM AND TAKE OUR FREEDOM SERIOUSLY.
WHITE PEOPLE TAKE THEIR FREEDOM SERIOUSLY, 1776, WHITE
PEOPLE TOOK THAT FREEDOM SERIOUSLY AND WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE
HAVE TO TAKE OUR FREEDOM SERIOUSLY.
EVERYTHING WE DO WE NEED TO CONNECT IT WHEN WE LOST OUR FREE
HE COME TO 623 YEARS AGO AND EVERYTHING WE DO, WE HAVE TO
CONNECT IT TO REPARATIONS.
MUST BE PAID TO US.
REPARATIONS MUST BE PAID TO US.
NO IFs, ANDs OR BUTs.
WE WILL NOT LET THIS CITY COUNCIL DEAL WITH BILLION DOLLARS
BUDGETS YEAR AFTER YEAR AND NOTION COMING TO THE 'HOOD.
AIN'T NOTHING COMING TO BLACK ABOUT PEOPLE.
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING COMING TO BLACK PEOPLE.
WE HAVE SEEN WHAT HAPPENED IN STONE AND SAN FRANCISCO.
WE ARE NOT TALKING OF PENNIES -- I DON'T EVEN WANT TO NAME
CALL -- NEGROES THAT COME AND TALKING OF SPEED BUMPS AND
DANCES AND WANT TO DANCE WITH WHITE FOLKS AND ALL THAT.
SAN FRANCISCO TALKING $5 MILLION PER AFRICAN PERSON.
PER ELIGIBLE PERSON.
THOSE ARE REAL NUMBERS.
THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT IT IS GOING TO TAKE TO UNDO THE
INJUSTICES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE TO US FOR 623 YEARS.
THE INJUSTICES SUCH AS WHAT HAPPENED RECENTLY IN THE
ELECTION.
ABUSED AFRICAN COMMUNITY.
TOOK AND PUT OUT SOME NASTY FLYERS AND EXPECT, ANTICIPATE
BLACK PEOPLE TO HAVE SHORT MEMORIES.
PUT OUT NASTY FLYERS AND GET PEOPLE LIKE REVEREND SCOTT AND
REVEREND PATTY TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT NONSENSE.
IT IS NONSENSE.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO FORGET IT.
IF I CAN TALK OF 623 YEARS, I CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED
YESTERDAY AND THE DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY, AND I REMEMBER IT
QUITE WELL.
THOSE PEOPLE AREN'T WELCOMED OR AREN'T INVITED INSIDE OUR
COMMUNITY BECAUSE WHEN THEY DO THAT TO ONE OF US, REMEMBER
DOING IT TO ALL OF US.
IF WE AGREE WITH THEIR POLITICS OR NOT.
WE AGREE WITH THEIR SKIN COLOR.
PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
THIS CITY DO ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY NOTHING FOR AFRICAN
PEOPLE.
WE TRY TO PUSH IT IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, ALL YOU GET IS
PUSH BACK.
ALL YOU GET IS PUSH BACK.
NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS.
OUR YOUTH HAVE NOTHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO BUT THE STREETS.
NOTHING.
COMING UP, WE CAN SMELL OUR SUMMER JOBS.
WE CAN TASTE OUR SUMMER JOBS WE ARE SO EXCITED THAT WE HAVE
SOMETHING FORWARD TO LOOK TO.
ASK ANY AFRICAN PERSON MY AGE OR A LITTLE UNDER.
WE CAN SMELL AND TASTE OUR SUMMER JOBS.
WE ARE SO EXCITED TO JUST BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING TO
CONTRIBUTE TO OUR FAMILIES.
TO CONTRIBUTE TO OURSELVES.
TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAYBE HELP IN PURCHASING OUR OWN --
OUR OWN SCHOOL CLOTHES.
AND THIS CITY HAS DONE ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY NOTHING FOR
AFRICAN PEOPLE.
AND WE NEED SOMETHING DONE.
PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
09:33:05AM >> GOOD MORNING, CONNIE BURTON.
ITEM NUMBER 12 AND 16 IS A NO BRAINER, BUT ABSOLUTELY NOT
ENOUGH RESOURCES THERE TO GET A PROGRAM SUCH AS AN EFFECTIVE
APPRENTICE PROGRAM.
YOU LISTEN TO NATIONAL NEWS, THEY WILL TELL US NOT ENOUGH
SKILLED PEOPLE, YOUNG PEOPLE, TO TAKE ON SOME OF THE JOBS
FOR THE FUTURE.
THE JOBS THAT REQUIRE VOCATIONAL TRAINING.
IT IS NOT THERE.
ITEM 16, WHEN YOU LOOK INSIDE OUR COMMUNITY, NOT ONLY DO WE
HAVE A FOOD DESERT, WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS.
A HOUSING CRISIS SUCH AS WE ARE NOW LOOKING ON THE OUTSIDE.
WE ARE STANDING ON THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN BECAUSE WE COULD
NOT AFFORD THE PURCHASE PRICES EVEN WITH THE DOWNPAYMENT
ASSISTANCE.
AND IN 2003, PAM -- MAYOR IORIO ALONG WITH THE SCHOOL
SUPERINTENDENT AND MEMBERS OF THE BANKING INDUSTRY PROMOTED
A PROGRAM THAT THE MAYOR AT THAT TIME WAS VERY EXCITED ABOUT
AND IT TODAY.
IT WAS CALLED THE YOUTH CORP -- THE MAYOR'S CORP.
GAVE THOSE YOUNG PEOPLE OPPORTUNITIES, CELLED DEVELOPMENT SO
THEY COULD BE THE YOUNG PEOPLE OF THE FUTURE.
20 YEARS SINCE IN EAST TAMPA, INSTEAD OF OUR MONIES BEING
USED AS A SLUSH FUND TO TAKE ON CITY ITEMS TREE TRIMMING,
LIGHTING, RETENTION POND.
WE CAN NOT USE THE MONEY TO HELP STABILIZE OUR COMMUNITY.
ONE THING WE ASKED FOR, WE WANT AN EFFECTIVE PROGRAM SO OUR
YOUNG PEOPLE WOULDN'T SIMPLY BE PICKING UP PAPER ALL SUMMER.
WE SAID WE WANT TO INCREASE THE NUMBERS.
WE WATCHED THIS MUSICAL CHAIR ALL THE TIME OCCURS THROUGH
THE ADMINISTRATION PRESENTED EVEN WHEN SOME OF THE
PRESENTERS LOOKED LIKE ME.
IT HAS BEEN TO NO BENEFIT TO OUR COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE SUMMER APPROACHING.
DEAD BODIES IN THE STREET.
WE HAVE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN OPPORTUNITIES.
WE WANT AN EFFECTIVE SUMMER PROGRAM TO MIRROR WHAT THE MAYOR
HAS GOING ON TODAY.
IF THERE IS RESISTANCE FROM CITY STAFF TO NOT BRING THESE
YOUNG PEOPLE ON TO SOME TYPE OF MENTORSHIP, BROADEN THE
SPECTRUM JUST LIKE THEY DID IN 2003 WITH THE MAY I DON'T
REMEMBER YOUTH CORP AND THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND THE
SUPERINTENDENT UNDERSTOOD THE VALUE OF YOUNG PEOPLE HAVING
LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT IF ALL OUR CHILDREN CAN SEE JOBS WITH
NO ADVANCEMENT.
WE CONTINUE TO HAVE SUCH VIOLENCE IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND THEN WHEN YOU ALL, THE MAYOR AND YEARS ASKING WHY WE
DON'T HAVE FULL BLACK LEADERSHIP PARTICIPATION, WE
UNDERSTAND THAT PRAYER ALONE WILL NOT WORK.
GET TO WORK, BOARD MEMBERS.
09:36:23AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:36:25AM >> AILEEN HENDERSON, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
TODAY, I'M HERE TO REPRESENT MY NOT-FOR-PROFIT THE CEMETERY
SOCIETY.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE INFORMATION FROM THE IMAGINE 2040
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
LAND USE GOAL 19, PROTECT AND PRESERVE TAMPA'S HISTORICAL
AND ARCHITECTURAL RESOURCES INCLUDING THE PROTECTION OF
TAMPA CEMETERIES.
PRESERVE AND PROTECT CEMETERIES AND UNMARKED.
I WILL USE LU FOR LAND USE.
9.5.1, THE CITY SHOULD PROTECT CITY-OWNED CEMETERIES OF THE
CITY'S HERITAGE AND MAINTAIN CEMETERIES IN A DIGNIFIED
MANNER WHILE ENSURING COMMUNITY SAFETY.
I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE WE HEARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN THE CITY
DID NOT OWN MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY.
THEY FOSTERED THAT CEMETERY AND MAINTAINED IT.
WHEN ONE FOSTERS A PET AND A CHILD, DO YOU SHIRK
RESPONSIBILITY OR MAKE SURE THAT PET AND CHILD ENDS UP IN A
CARING AND LOVING HOME.
LU POLICY 19.5.3, PROMOTE THE PRESERVATION AND PROTECTION OF
CEMETERIES AND UNMARKED BURIALS UPON DISCOVERY.
THUS FAR, OUR RESEARCH WITH THE CEMETERY 10,453 UNMARKED
GRAVES AT MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY.
LU OBJECTIVE 19.6, RECOGNIZE THAT CITY OF TAMPA CEMETERIES
ARE A VITAL COMPONENT OF THE CITY'S OPEN SPACE NETWORK.
LU 19.6.3, PROMOTE NATIONAL AND HISTORIC DESIGNATION
REGARDING APPLICABLE CRITERIA.
THE GENERAL PROVISIONS OF THAT PLAN.
INTENT OF THE LEGISLATURE TO SEE THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
IS IMPLEMENTED.
COUNCIL, YOU AS THE SLEDGE I HAVE IT -- YOU AS THE
LEGISLATURE HAVE LEGISLATIVE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES AS
IT PERTAINS TO TAMPA'S HISTORIC CEMETERIES.
FOUR ALL-WHITE CEMETERIES AND WE WILL BE REASSURED WE HAD BE
ADDING A FIFTH BLACK CEMETERY WITH THE ONLY BLACK VETERANS
MONUMENT AND MEMORIAL.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE WHEN THAT HAPPENS, THE CITY OF
TAMPA IS IN A POSITION TO ABIDE BY AND FOLLOW THROUGH WITH
OBJECTIVES, GOALS AND POLICIES AS OUTLINED IN THE IMAGINE
2040: COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ADD, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THAT
PLAN SOMEBODY CURRENTLY, SO WHEN WE ASSURE THAT CEMETERY,
MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY, WE HAVE ONE IN PLACE.
THANK YOU.
09:39:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:39:09AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS NOREEN COPELAND MILLER.
AND I LIVE IN EAST TAMPA.
I'M HERE THIS MORNING TO SPEAK -- I WAS SITTING HERE AND
LOOKING AT THE BUDGET.
I WAS HOPING TO SEE SOMETHING IN THE PLANS OF DOLLARS
ALLOCATED FOR MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANY
OF THAT.
AND I KNOW THAT IT IS BEING CONTINUED.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT AS I SIT HERE IN THIS CHAMBER AND
LOOKING AROUND AT THE ARTWORK, THE LOVELY ARTWORK, BUT I SEE
NOTHING THAT REPRESENTS BLACK AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN THIS
CITY.
SO I AM LIKE -- I KNOW THAT THERE IS SOMETHING GOING ON FOR
GENTRIFICATION, ERASING OUR HISTORY.
I HOPE THAT WE PUT SOME EFFORT IN MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY.
THIS TIME YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESERVE SOME BLACK
HISTORY IN THIS CITY THAT THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING FOR.
WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO BEG, BECAUSE THIS SHOULD HAVE NEVER
HAPPENED.
THE CEMETERY SHOULD NEVER HAVE GONE INTO FORECLOSURE AND IT
WAS INTENTIONALLY, IN MY OPINION, AS WE LOOK AROUND IN MY
CITY THAT I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN.
I AM HAVING A PROBLEM FINDING WHERE I FIT IN.
BECAUSE -- AND THERE IS NO DOLLARS IN HERE THAT SAYS
ANYTHING ABOUT AFRICAN-AMERICAN ANYTHING.
ALLOCATING DOLLARS FROM WHAT WAS FOUND FROM THE BUDGET WITH
9 POLICE DEPARTMENT LAST YEAR.
NONE -- NOTHING IS STATED IN HERE THAT IS GOING TO BENEFIT
THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN, THE BLACK FOLKS IN THIS CITY.
IT IS TRAGIC.
IT IS DISGRACEFUL, AND I AM REALLY SAD THAT WE DON'T HAVE
ANY CONSIDERATION WHEN IT COMES TO MONETARY THINGS GOING ON
IN THIS CITY.
THE CEMETERY NOW IS -- YOU ARE FIXING IT.
WHEN?
I WANTED AN UPDATE THAT THEY LET US KNOW LAST MONTH.
IT WAS CONTINUED UNTIL MAY.
HE PURCHASED IT IN JANUARY.
WHY ARE WE GOING TO WAIT FIVE MONTHS FOR RESOLUTION?
THIS SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED.
I KNOW YOU HAVE THE DOLLARS.
THE CITY OF TAMPA, NOT SAYING CITY COUNCIL, BUT THE CITY OF
TAMPA, OUR HOPE.
WE ARE YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND THIS IS THE WAY WE ARE TREATED.
IT IS NOT FAIR.
WE SIT AROUND QUIET.
BUT I AM TIRED.
AND I THANK GOD FOR THESE FOLKS COMING OUT TO SUPPORT WHAT
HAS HAPPENED THAT WAS WRONG TO THE BLACK COMMUNITY.
PEOPLE IN THIS CITY SOME OF US -- A LOT OF US ARE RETIRING
AND NOT JUST ALL BLACK.
A VERY DIVERSE COMMUNITY.
PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF THE MISTREATMENT OF BLACK FOLKS IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA.
WE TALK OF PARADISE?
IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE PARADISE FOR ME AND I KNOW I AM NOT
ALONE.
I ASK AND PLEA THAT YOU DO THE RIGHT THING OF SAVING
MEMORIAL CEMETERY.
MAKING IT THE HISTORICAL SITE THAT IT IS.
DO IT NOW.
I DON'T WANT TO BE TALKING ABOUT IT SIX YEARS FROM NOW, SIX
MONTHS FROM NOW.
THIS COULD BE RESOLVED NOW AND I WOULD THANK THAT OUR GREAT
LEADERSHIP WILL WANT TO LEAVE A LEGACY IN THIS CITY THAT
SAYS WE HAVE FOUR WHITE CEMETERIES.
LET'S MAKE HISTORY AND GET A FIFTH BLACK HISTORICAL
CEMETERY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
09:42:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:42:30AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:42:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GOOD MORNING.
09:42:44AM >> WAY TO GET A PICTURE?
09:42:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CAN WE HAVE THE OVERHEAD ON, THANK YOU.
09:42:50AM >> I DON'T SEE IT?
09:42:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE GOT IT.
THANK YOU.
09:42:58AM >> WE CAN'T GET ALL THE PICTURES IN.
CAN YOU SLIDE IT?
ROTATE IT?
09:43:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:43:04AM >> OKAY, THESE PICTURES WERE RECENTLY TAKEN AT MEMORIAL PARK
CEMETERY BY A VERY RELIABLE SOURCE.
FOR CEMETERIES ON PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT ARE NOT OWNED OR
CONTROLLED BY A CEMETERY CORPORATION, CHURCH, ASSOCIATION OR
ORGANIZATION, THE PROPERTY OWNER MUST MAKE A REASONABLE
EFFORT TO MAINTAIN THE CEMETERY.
THIS INCLUDES RESETTING AND STRAIGHTENING MONUMENTS.
LEVELING AND DECIDING THE GROUND, AND CLEANING UP DESTROYING
PLANTS.
WEAK VEGETATION.
MOWING THE LAWN AND CONSTRUCTING AND REPAIRING FENCES.
FAILURE OF A PROPERTY OWNER TO PERFORM THESE MAINTENANCE
RESPONSIBILITIES CAN BE PUNISHABLE AS A CLASS C INFRACTION.
THREE WEEKS AGO, MAYOR CASTOR ASSURED ME IF THE NEW OWNER
WAS NOT MAINTAINING THE CEMETERY, THE CITY HAD THE RIGHT TO
STEP IN, MAINTAIN IT AND SEND THIS MAN A BILL.
HE WANTS TO OWN A CEMETERY.
LET'S SHOW HIM WHAT IT IS LIKE TO OWN A CEMETERY.
I CALLED MAYOR CASTOR'S OFFICE FOR THE LAST TWO WEEKS,
PRACTICALLY ON A DAILY BASIS ASKING WHEN THE CITY IS GOING
OUT THERE TO ASSESS THE HEADSTONES, THE -- THESE ARE GRAVES
-- YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE TOP ON THE SECOND AND THIRD OF THE
TOP ROW, THOSE ARE COVERED GRAVES.
THE TOP LEFT IS GARBAGE.
AND IF YOU LOOK FURTHER, YOU WILL SEE BROKEN HEADSTONES.
YOU'LL SEE LOW-LYING BRANCHES WITHIN 18 INCHES OF
HEADSTONES, BUT THE SAD THING IS THESE PEOPLE -- MANY OF
THESE PEOPLE BURIED IN MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY WERE SLAVES.
AND IN THEIR LIFETIME, THEIR BODIES WERE SOLD TO THE HIGHEST
BIDDER.
AND NOW HERE WE ARE AGAIN WITH SOMEONE HOLDING OUR CEMETERY
HOSTAGE.
AND THEIR BODIES, AGAIN, ARE BEING HELD OUT FOR THE HIGHEST
BIDDER.
THEY ARE BEING DISRESPECTED IN DEATH AS THEY WERE IN LIFE.
SO I AM ASKING YOU GUYS TO STEP IN, TELL BABY JANE TO STEP
UP, PUT DOWN THE GREEN DYE OF DYEING THE RIVER.
STOP CAMPAIGNING FOR HER MOTHER-IN-LAW TO BE ON CITY COUNCIL
AND TELL HER TO DO THIS.
THIS IS WHAT NEEDS ATTENTION.
NOT ST. PATRICK'S DAY PARADE AND ANY OF THE EVENTS SHE GOES
TO ON A DAILY BASIS.
I SEE NOTHING OF MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY.
WE ARE TIRED OF FLAILING OUR ARMS.
WE MADE NOISE ON A LOCAL LEVEL AND A NATIONAL LEVEL.
IF DATELINE NBC SHOWS UP AT BABY JANE'S OFFICE, I DON'T
EXPECT HER TO ASK BRAND NEW BECAUSE SHE KNOWS ALL ALONG WHAT
SHE HAS DONE TO THIS CEMETERY AND WANT HER RESOLVED
IMMEDIATELY.
ADRIANA RODRIGUEZ, ADDRESS AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST.
09:46:11AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:46:12AM >> GOOD MORNING.
EDITH RANDOLPH.
I AM A LIFE-LONG RESIDENT OF SOUTH TAMPA.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK TO MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY.
I HAVE CONCERNS AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR -- REQUEST FOR
ACTION.
I HAVE TWO LOVED ONES AT THE CEMETERY.
ONE IS MY BROTHER.
AND HE SERVED IN THE MILITARY.
FOR US FOR MANY YEARS.
AND IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THEY PAID FOR THESE
SERVICES AT THE CEMETERY AND THE PROPERTY THAT THEY DO NOW
LIVE WITH.
THE CEMETERY IS LOCATED IN EAST TAMPA, AND, OF COURSE, WE
KNOW THE MAJORITY OF BLACK INDIVIDUALS IN THAT COMMUNITY,
AS WELL AS IN THE CEMETERY, THERE ARE MAJORITY BLACKS WHO
RESIDE THERE.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO REST IN
PEACE.
AND, THEREFORE, WE ARE LOOKING AND ASKING THAT THE CITY
CONSIDER MAINTAINING IT AND NOT ALLOWING US TO PLAY
PING-PONG WITH WHOEVER OWNS IT.
WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME ACTION TAKEN AND WE HOPE THAT YOU
WILL BE CONSIDERATE, CONCERNED, AND HAVE THE EMPATHY TO DO
WHAT IS RIGHT FOR THOSE HUMAN BEINGS SO THEY CAN CONTINUE TO
REST IN PEACE.
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT PEOPLE DO CARE IN TAMPA ABOUT
THE RESIDENTS AND WE HOPE THAT YOU WILL CONSIDER -- STRONGLY
CONSIDER WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS FOR OUR
COMMUNITIES AND THOSE WHO ARE CURRENTLY IN NEED THAT THEIR
LOVED ONES WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
09:48:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
BOB WHITMORE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF CITY TREE, A CITIZENS
ACTION GROUP.
PERHAPS UNCHARACTERISTICALLY BEING A MAN WHO WEARS HIS
EMOTIONS ON HIS SLEEVE REGARDING MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY.
LIKE US ALL TO TAKE A BREATH FOR A MINUTE AND JUST TAKE A
MOMENT TO LET GO OF PREJUDICE AND ANGER AND CONTEMPT AND
BLAME.
FOCUS ON THE NOW AND NEXT TO THE SITUATION.
AND RECOGNIZE HONESTLY WHAT GOT US HERE AND HOW WE ARE GOING
TO GET OUT OF THIS.
THE NOW IS A CEMETERY OF -- A BLACK HISTORIC CEMETERY LEFT
TO FALL INTO DISREPAIR.
HONESTLY, SOME OF THE RESPONSIBILITY HAS TO BE PLACED ON THE
FAMILIES OF RELATIVES REST THERE.
WE ARE RESPONSIBLE TO CARE FOR THE GLORIES OF OUR DEAD.
HONESTLY MUCH OF THE BLAME HAS TO BE LAID ON THE PREVIOUS
OWNERS WHO NO DOUBT WERE TRUSTED WITH THE REMAINS OF THE
DEAD AND SOMEWHERE, I EXPECT AGREEMENTS SIGNED IN GOOD FAITH
TO DO JUST THAT.
OBVIOUSLY THAT ISN'T.
AND HONESTLY, THE CITY DID STAND UP AND DO THE RIGHT THING.
WE -- WE, THE CITY, TOOK CARE OF THE HISTORIC HOLY GROUND
AND TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING, BOTCHED THE PURCHASE.
WHICH HONESTLY SOMEONE SHOULD LOSE THEIR JOB OVER.
NOW A MAN WHOSE INTENTIONS ARE UNCLEAR SINCE NOBODY SEEMS TO
BE ABLE TOO TALK TO HIM OWN THIS PIECE OF NEGLECTED HISTORY,
HISTORY NEGLECTED BY FAMILIES BURIED THERE, THE COMMUNITY
THAT SURROUNDS IT, THE PEOPLE WHO OWNED IT, AND ALL OF US
FOR LETTING THIS HAPPEN.
I BELIEVE THERE ARE NO VILLAINS IN THIS SCENARIO,
INCOMPETENCE, NEGLECT, GREED, DESPERATION, APATHY AND A LOT
OF HUMAN NATURE BUT NO VILLAINS, JUST SADLY PEOPLE DOING
WHAT PEOPLE DO.
SO NOW THE NEXT.
IN THE SPIRIT OF FIXING THE PROBLEM NOT FIXING THE BLAME.
THAT JUST ISN'T GOING TO HELP RIGHT NOW.
WITH LIGHTNING SPEED, NOW REALIZING JUST WHAT WE ARE AT RISK
OF LOSING, THIS HOLY AND HISTORIC SITE NEEDS TO BE PURCHASED
BY THE CITY AND JOIN THE OTHER FOUR CEMETERIES THAT THIS
CITY OWNS AS PROTECTED PROPERTY FOREVER.
ALEX ORTEGA HAS A NUMBER IN HIS HEAD, AND WE SIMPLY NEED TO
ASK WHAT HE WANTS AND CHALK THAT UP TO MUCH-NEEDED
REPARATION WITH THE BLACK COMMUNITY.
ONCE PURCHASED, THE FAMILIES OF THOSE BURIED MUST STEP UP
AND HELP RESTORE MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY, ASSISTED BY THE
CITY AND THE CEMETERY SOCIETY.
IF THE CITY NEEDS SOMEONE TO PULL THIS EFFORT TOGETHER.
I WILL.
I WILL VOLUNTEER.
JUST BUY THE CEMETERY, AND I PROMISE YOU, I PLEDGE TO YOU
WITH THE CITY'S HELP WE WILL RESTORE IT AND MAKE IT A
SHOWPLACE OF HISTORY, A PLACE WHERE ALL OF TAMPA CAN COME
AND STAND AND CONTEMPLATE THE PAST.
IDENTIFY THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO WERE BURIED THERE.
SHARE THEIR HISTORY.
MAKE MEMORIAL PARK A DESTINATION TO BE SEEN AND EXPERIENCED
BY A CITY HUNGRY TO UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT OUR BLACK HISTORY
AND MAKE AMENDS FOR INJUSTICES INFLICTED ON OUR BROTHERS AND
SISTERS OF COLOR IN A CITY WE ALL CALL HOME.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:51:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:51:26AM >> HI, GOOD MORNING, NANCY STEVENS, AND I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT
PURE.
TAMPA AND ITS CONTRACTORS SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON SAFE AND
AFFORDABLE WATER IN TAMPA.
FOR TAMPA CITIZENS AND ENVIRONMENT NOT ON HOW TO REUSE
WASTEWATER.
MEETING TAMPA'S WATER NEEDS SHOULD BE THE GOAL.
REDUCING CONTAMINANTS IN THE WASTEWATER SHOULD BE THE GOAL.
REUSING WASTEWATER SHOULD NOT BE A GOAL.
A TOOL IF NEEDED, BUT ONLY THE LAST RESORT.
REUSING WASTEWATER IS EXPENSIVE, IMPOSES UNKNOWN RISK TO
HUMAN AND ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH.
JUST THIS WEEK, THE EPA PROPOSED NEW DRINKING WATER
STANDARDS FOR SIX CONTAMINANTS SETTING MAXIMUM FOR PFAS
AND PFOA AND HAZARD INDEX FOR OTHER PFAS COMBINED.
TAKEN DECADES FOR THE EPA TO SET THE ENOUGH DRINKING WATER
STANDARDS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T SET STANDARDS UNLESS THEY CAN
PROVE THAT THERE IS HARM.
THIS IS HOW IT HAPPENED FOR PFOA.
AFTER THE 1951, DUPONT USED PFOA TO MAKE TEFLON AND
PIPED INTO THE OHIO RIVER WHERE IT ENTERED INTO HAD THE
DRINKING WATER SUPPLY.
DUPONT KNEW THAT THERE WAS BLOOD PROBLEMS IN EMPLOYEES AND
PROBLEMS IN RATS.
SO CONCERNED INSTRUCTED EMPLOYEES NOT TO WEAR THEIR WORK
CLOTHES HOME.
1998, A FAMILY LIVING NEXT TO A FIELD WHERE DUPONT WAS
STORING PFOA, HAD DEAD AND DYING COWS AND CALLED A LAWYER
ROB BILLICK FOR HELP.
THEY SUES DUPONT IN 1995.
2005, DUPONT HAD A SETTLEMENT WITH THE EPA.
ROB BILLICK CONTINUED.
HE WOULDN'T LET IT GO AND NO STANDARDS FOR PFOA.
INITIATED A STUDY OF 30,000 PEOPLE EXPOSE TO PFOA IN THEIR
DRINKING WATER AND TOOK BLOOD SAMPLES.
2011, FOUND A PROBABLE LINK BETWEEN PFOA IN KIDNEY CANCER,
THYROID DISEASE AND OVERLIER IS DISEASES.
TAMPA'S DRINKING WATER AND WASTEWATER EXCEED THE NEW PFOA
AND PFAS STANDARDS.
THE DRINKING WATERS MUST BE CLEANED TO MEET THE STANDARDS --
THE DRINKING LEVELS HAVE TO BE REDUCED.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO DRINK THE WASTEWATER.
THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF OTHER PFAS CHEMICALS AND HUNDRED OF
THOUSAND OF OTHER CHEMICALS USED WORLDWIDE.
MANY ARE PRESENT.
TAMPA'S WASTEWATER WITH NO STANDARDS.
OUR CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE MADE TEST CASES WHETHER THESE
CHEMICALS IN THE WASTEWATER WILL HARM THEM OVER THEIR
LIFETIME.
IF WE NEED TO REUSE WATER, THEN HOOK UP FREE WATER TO ALL
THE HOUSEHOLDS CURRENTLY PASSED BY THE RECLAIMED WATER AND
EXTEND IT TO THE AREA THAT USE LOTS OF DRINKING WATERS TO
WATER LAWNS.
WE SHOULD BE FURTHER CLEANING THE WATER GOING INTO THE BAY.
WE SHOULD BE STOPPING CONTAMINATION AT THE SOURCE.
STOP FUNDING THE PURE PROCESS TO USE WASTEWATER.
USE MONEY TO SERVE THE PEOPLE AND ENVIRONMENT OF TAMPA THANK
YOU.
09:54:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
09:54:48AM >> GOOD MORNING.
JAMES SHAW.
I LIVE IN WEST TAMPA, AND I AM WITH THE GREATER TAMPA CHAPTER
OF THE ACLU OF FLORIDA.
I'M HERE TO TALK OF AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 25.
I HAVE REVIEWED THE -- LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE.
IT IS BETTER.
IT ELIMINATED THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE CRB BY A MAJORITY OF
THE CRB PASS A VOTE -- DUPLICATE CAN THE VOTE OF THIS
COUNCIL AND REMOVES THAT PROCEDURAL HURDLE.
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
GIVES CRB THE ULTIMATE DECISION-MAKING AUTHORITY AND REDUCES
THE CITY ATTORNEY'S ROLE TO THIS MINISTERIAL -- THE CITY
SHALL HIRE THE CRB LEGAL ADVISOR BASED ON RECOMMENDATIONS OF
THE CRB.
HOPE YOU ASK FOR CLARIFICATION WHOEVER THE CRB PICKS, THAT
IS WHO GETS HIRED.
STILL TRYING TO IMPOSE MINIMUM CRITERIA -- MINIMUM CRITERIA
OF THE FLORIDA BAR.
EVERY LAWYER -- THAT IS IMPLIED IN THE WORD "LAWYER" BUT
SEVEN YEARS' EXPERIENCE AND EXPERIENCE IN CRIMINAL LAW,
CIVIL, EMPLOYMENT LAW, LAW ENFORCEMENT, LOCAL GOVERNMENT
LAW.
PREFERENCE TO ATTORNEYS WITH FAMILIARITY WITH THE POLICE
OFFICERS BILL OF RIGHTS 1983 LITIGATION.
THE SUNSHINE LAW.
THE POLICE OFFICERS BILL OF RIGHTS IS NINE WHOLE PAGES LONG.
ANYBODY IN THE FLORIDA BAR IN AN HOUR AND I WILL HAVE THEM
FAMILIAR WITH THIS.
UNCLEAR WHO GETS TO DECIDE WHETHER THESE MINIMUM CRITERIA
ARE MET AND I HOPE YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE BEFORE VOTING ON THIS.
I HEARD THE NUMBER THROWN OUT COST $100,000 A YEAR.
I AM NOT SURE I AM BELIEVING THAT.
BY MY MATH, 15 HOURS A WEEK AT $250 AN HOUR WHICH I THINK IS
HIGH COMES TO $45,000 A YEAR.
AND I THINK YOU CAN GET SOMEBODY FOR A LOT LESS THAN $250 AN
HOUR.
I THINK YOU CAN FIND AN ATTORNEY WHO WANTED TO SERVE THEIR
COMMUNITY FOR $150 AN HOUR.
SO WITH ALL OF THOSE CAVEATS, I HOPE WE PASS THIS TODAY.
I AM SURE YOU ARE TIRED OF SEEING ME BEING HERE AND I AM
TIRED OF TAKING OFF OF WORK HERE.
BUT WE KEEP KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD AND DOING IT FOR
YEARS AND I THINK THE COMMUNITY WANTS THE CITY COUNCIL TO
TAKE ACTION AND I HOPE YOU WILL DO THAT TODAY.
THANK YOU.
09:57:11AM >> GOOD MORNING, FOLKS.
MY NAME IS DAVID JONES.
I LIVE OVER IN DISTRICT 5.
I SUPPORT WHAT WAS SAID OF THE CEMETERY, AS WELL AS
INTRODUCE MORE SUMMER YOUTH PROGRAMS THAT ACTUALLY BUILD UP
SKILLS FOR BLACK FOLKS.
IT IS JUST LIKE A TRAIN THAT PEOPLE KEEP COMING IN HERE
FOR BARE MINIMUM THE LAST YEAR DEMANDING FOR THE BLACK
COMMUNITY, AND WE KEEP GETTING DISRESPECTED FROM YOU UNTIL
LITERALLY AFTER DEATH.
AND COMES TOLL A POINT THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE ABOUT
THAT.
ALL RIGHT.
I AM OUT HERE SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THE AGENDA ITEM 25 AND
THE ORDINANCE AROUND INDEPENDENT COUNT FOR OF THE CRB.
WE KNOW THAT TPD HAS A HISTORY OF MISCONDUCT.
THAT IS A FACT.
WE WANT TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY AND THAT IS WHAT,
LIKE, THE COMMUNITY IS DEMANDING.
BY JUST ALLOWING THE CRB TO GET A SEPARATE LAWYER WITHOUT
INFLUENCE FROM THE POLICE AND THE CITY, THAT IS BARE MINIMUM
TO MAKE ACCOUNTABILITY MORE ACCESSIBLE.
WHEN A RESTAURANT IS DIRTY, NASTY, YOU CALL THE HEALTH
INSPECTOR, AND THEY WILL MAKE SURE IT IS FIXED OR SHUT IT
DOWN.
WHEN LAWYERS ARE ACTING OUT DOING WHAT THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED
TO BE DOING, YOU CALL THE BAR ASSOCIATION AND THEY WILL HAVE
THEIR LICENSE REVOKED AND NO LONGER PRACTICE LAW.
IF I GO DOWN THE ROAD HAVING A BAD DAY, I GET MY LICENSE
REVOKED.
I GO TO JAIL.
LIKE THE BARE MINIMUM MAKING SURE PEOPLE ARE BEING HELD
ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT IS HAPPENING.
THIS IS JUST LIKE A TOOL TO MAKE SURE THE POLICE ARE BEING
HELD TO THE SAME STANDARDS AS LITERALLY EVERYBODY ELSE IN
THE CITY.
YEAH.
AND YOU KNOW, JUST THE ADDITIONAL POINT THAT WE ARE STILL IN
HERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE IT DIDN'T -- BECAUSE OF THE
VETOES THAT HAPPENED BACK IN JANUARY.
SOMETHING THAT FRANKLY SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED WHEN THIS
AMENDMENT AND FOUR OTHERS WERE VETOED BY MAYOR JANE CASTOR
AND THE ONLY ONE THAT DROPPED BECAUSE COUNCILMAN CITRO WAS
SPEAKING OUT DEMANDING IT TO BE AN ORDINANCE.
AN ORDINANCE HE HAS NOT VOTED FOR.
YEAH, IT IS REALLY JUST AN ISSUE OF -- YOU KNOW AN ISSUE OF
HAVING A BACKBONE.
COMMUNITY SEES IT.
PEOPLE SEE IT.
WORDS DON'T MEAN NOTHING IF YOU CAN'T FOLLOW UP WITH IT.
WE SAW THAT LAST WEEK.
YEAH, RIGHT NOW THE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THE POLITICAL
GAMES THAT KEEP HAPPENING IN TAMPA WE SAW THAT LAST WEEK
WHEN PEOPLE SPOKE OUT WHAT HAPPENED TO COUNCILMAN GUDES OVER
IN EAST TAMPA WITH THOSE VERY POINTED AD CAMPAIGNS.
PEOPLE SPOKE OUT WITH THE AD CAMPAIGNS AGAINST COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK AND CARLSON.
YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.
THEY DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THE POLITICAL GAMES.
WHAT WE NEED IS REAL ACTION BEING DONE OF THE PEOPLE UP IN
THAT DAIS CLAIMING TO REPRESENT US.
WE NEED ACTION BEING DONE NOW.
YEAH, THANK YOU, Y'ALL.
10:00:26AM >> HELLO, MY NAME IS TAYLOR COOK, A MEMBER OF TAMPA BAY
ACTION COMMITTEE, AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK TO ITEM NUMBER 25.
I STAND IN SOLIDARITY TO THE MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY SOCIETY.
I THINK IT IS ACTUALLY DISGUSTING THAT SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE
TO COME UP HERE AND BEG ESSENTIALLY FOR THE MEMORIAL PARK TO
BE PROTECTED.
I THINK THAT IS JUST WRONG.
BUT, YEAH, I WANT TO SAY THAT AN ARGUMENT WE HEARD AGAINST
INDEPENDENT COUNCIL WHEN OUR GROUP MET WITH INDIVIDUAL
MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL, THOSE THAT WOULD MEET WITH US.
IT WAS THAT -- AND THE CRB CAN CALL FOR A CONFLICT OF
INTEREST AT ANY POINT, BUT I FRANKLY THINK THAT THIS
ARGUMENT IS A COP OUT.
I THINK IT IS WEAK, AND I THINK IT SHOULD ALREADY BE BUILT IN.
WHY NOT HAVE IT BUILT IN.
A FEW WEEKS AGO, SOME OF OUR MEMBERS WENT TO THE CRB MEETING
BECAUSE SOMEONE CAME TO OUR GROUP ASKING FOR US TO BRING
ATTENTION TO HER CASE OF POLICE BRUTALITY BY TPD IN 2019.
WHEN WE DID, IT SEEMED LIKE THE CRB DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE UP
THE CASE EVEN THOUGH IT WAS PRETTY GRUESOME AND KIND OF
ABOUT ARE RATED US A BIT FOR BRINGING IT TO PUBLIC COMMENT
DESPITE THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY ON HOW TO FILE COMPLAINTS
AGAINST TPD THROUGH THE CRB.
IF THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN TAKING UP A CASE, WHY SHOULD
WE TRUST THEM TO CALL FOR A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
IT SHOULD ALREADY BE THERE.
I WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE PEOPLE -- PROTESTERS
BRUTALIZED AT USF MARCH 6.
THE FOUR PROTESTERS THAT WERE ARRESTED AND CHARGED WITH
FELONIES.
DESPITE MASS VIDEO EVIDENCE.
EVERYBODY THERE WAS RECORDING SOMETHING.
I WAS THERE.
PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST TRAUMATIC TIMES OF MY LIFE.
THIS IS WITH USF POLICE.
IF CAMPUS POLICE IS DOING STUFF LIKE THIS, WHAT IS
STOPPING TPD TO DO STUFF LIKE THIS.
THEY DID IT BACK IN 2020, BACK IN TIMES WHEN WE DON'T KNOW.
AND WE WANT POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY.
GRANTED IT WAS AT USF, BUT JUST ABSOLUTELY HORRID AND THAT
IS THE KIND OF -- THAT IS WHY WE DON'T TRUST THE POLICE IS
BECAUSE WE CAN GO AND WE CAN PROTEST FOR DIVERSITY AND
FOR USF TO INCREASE BLACK ENROLLMENT AND PROTEST IN THE
COMMUNITY FOR THINGS LIKE POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY AND BLACK
PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE MURDERED FOR NO REASON AND WE CAN GET
BRUTALIZED AND TEAR GASSED AND PUT IN CHOKEHOLDS, ETC., ETC.
THAT IS WHY THE COMMUNITY WANTS ACCOUNTABILITY AND
TRANSPARENCY.
WE HAVE SEEN IT IN OUR OWN EYES 9 BRUTALITY FOR POLICE.
PLEASE VOTE FOR INDEPENDENT COUNSEL.
THANK YOU.
10:03:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:03:30AM >> HELLO.
MY NAME IS LAY.
I AM A MEMBER OF THE TAMPA BAY COMMUNITY ACTION COMMITTEE.
LIVE IN TC.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE INDEPENDENT COUNSEL FOR
THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.
TPD HAS A LONG HISTORY OF MISCONDUCT AND MUST BE HELD
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE HARM THEY HAVE DONE TO THE COMMUNITY.
GIVING CRB A DIFFERENT LAWYER THAN THE ONE THAT REPRESENTS
THE POLICE IS THE FIRST STEP TO ACCOUNTABILITY.
THE CURRENT STATE OF THE CRB MAKES IT TOOTHLESS AND
INACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.
LIKE TAYLOR BEFORE ME SAID, WE WERE AT THE CRB AND TRYING TO
GET A CASE OUT TO THEM.
AND JUST NO AVENUE FOR US TO EVEN PRESENT THEM WITH A CASE.
SO WHAT IS THE POINT OF THE BOARD IF THEY ARE JUST HANDED
CASES FROM TPD, TALK ABOUT IT, DO A LITTLE PR STUNT AND OKAY
THE TPD, YOU KNOW.
HAVING THIS BOARD SEPARATED FROM TPD IS CRUCIAL TO FUNCTION
PROPERLY AND SERVE THE PEOPLE.
NOT JUST A SPEAKING MOUTHPIECE FOR TPD.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, TPD ISN'T TRUSTED TO INVESTIGATE
THEMSELVES AND THEY SHOULD NOT BE TRUSTED TO INVESTIGATE
THEM SESSION.
COUPLE OF YEARS BACK, JONAS JOSEPH SHOT 125 TIMES AND LIED
AND COVERED UP THEIR STORY THREE TO FOUR DIFFERENT TEAMS
THAT HE SHOT AT THEM AND BLAH-BLAH-BLAH.
TURNED OUT TO BE LIES TO JUSTIFY THEIR BRUTAL ACT AND AVOID
ANY SORT OF ACCOUNTABILITY.
AND THAT IS NOT RIGHT.
WE CAN'T HAVE THAT KEEP HAPPENING IN THE CITY.
AND THAT IS A PARTICULARLY GRUESOME CASE, BUT THINGS LIKE
HAPPEN EVERY DAY.
ESPECIALLY TO BLACK FOLKS HERE IN TAMPA AND YOU KNOW, THE
CITY TRIES TO AVOID TALKING OF RACE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR
FORM BECAUSE THAT IS THE TAMPA WAY.
WE DON'T TALK ABOUT IT.
IT DOESN'T EXIST, RIGHT?
BUT THIS IS WHY WE NEED THE CRB TO BE INDEPENDENT.
THIS IS WHY WE NEED INDEPENDENT COUNSEL FOR THE CRB AND WHY
WE NEED CITY COUNCIL TO BE CONSISTENT AND VOTE YES FOR
INDEPENDENT COUNSEL FOR THE CRB.
10:05:59AM >> HELLO, I AM FILIP FREARO, AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE
ORDINANCE FOR INDEPENDENT COUNSEL FOR THE CITIZENS REVIEW
BOARD.
BEFORE I BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT THIS, I WANT TO PREFACE BY
SAYING I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY AND
SAYING THAT I THINK IT IS HORRIBLE WHAT IS GOING ON OVER
THERE.
AND THE POTENTIAL OF HAVING BLACK HISTORY BE ERASED IN
REALTIME IS TERRIBLE AND I BELIEVE WE NEED TO -- WE NEED TO
GET THAT PARK UNDER -- OR THE CEMETERY UNDER CITY CONTROL
AND PREVENT THE ERASURE FROM HAPPENING.
SPEAKING ON THE INDEPENDENT COUNSEL FOR THE CITIZENS REVIEW
BOARD, I WANTED TO SAY THAT -- THAT TPD HAS A LONG HISTORY
OF MISCONDUCT AND I THINK THAT INDEPENDENT COUNCIL FOR THE
CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD IS THE FIRST STEP IN FINDING THAT
ACCOUNTABILITY AS TAYLOR BEFORE ME MENTIONED, THAT AS A
GROUP, WE HAVE ORGANIZED AROUND THE CRB AND TRIED HELPING
WITH A LOCAL CASE OF SOMEBODY TRYING TO REPORT THEIR CASE TO
THE CRB AND STRUGGLING ALONG THE WAY.
A GROUP THAT DEDICATED SO MUCH TIME AND RESEARCH TO THE CRB
IS STRUGGLING WITH IT, IMAGINE HOW DIFFICULT IT WOULD BE FOR
SOMEBODY WITHOUT THE EXPERIENCE THAT WE HAVE TO TRY TO DO
THE SAME THING I THINK GIVING ACCESS TO INDEPENDENT COUNCIL
WILL STREAM LINE THE PROCESS AND HELP THE CRB TO BE MORE
EFFECTIVE IN HELPING THE COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU.
10:07:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
10:07:50AM >> HI, JOSEPH NAHAVA, NORTH TAMPA.
I AM WITH TAMPA BAY COMMUNITY ACTION COMMITTEE.
YES, I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO WHAT MY FRIENDS HAVE ALL SAID
DEFINITELY ABOUT THE MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY NEEDING TO BE
RESTORED TO CITY CONTROL.
AGAIN, THE ERASURE OF BLACK HISTORY IS AN ONGOING ISSUE WITH
THIS CITY, NOT JUST THE CEMETERY BUT CENTRAL AVENUE AND
BEYOND.
TO SEE THE CITY REPEAT THE SAME MISTAKES AGAIN.
CLEARLY YOU HAVE NOT LEARNED, NOT JUST YOU IN COUNCIL BUT
ALSO THE MAYOR.
I LIKE THE BABY JANE APPELATION, I THINK I MAY STEAL THAT.
ANYWAY, THE CITY NEEDS TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND STEP UP AND
TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.
YES, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE ORDINANCE BEFORE
YOU ALL.
AGENDA ITEM 25 GIVING THE CRB THEIR OWN ATTORNEY.
WOULD YOU THINK A CITY THAT THAT HAS BEEN UNDER -- HAS BEEN
AND IS UNDER MULTIPLE FEDERAL INVESTIGATIONS FOR, YOU KNOW,
POLICING PROGRAMS IN THE CITY WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, JUMPING AT
THE OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY
WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND YET, BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR'S VETO AND SOME
MEMBERS OF COUNCIL GOING ALONG WITH THAT, IT HAVEN'T
HAPPENED.
BAFFLING TO ALL OF US.
AGAIN, A SIMPLE, POPULAR DEMOCRATIC MEASURE THAT PEOPLE
SUPPORT, PEOPLE WANT TO SEE AND EFFECTIVELY HAVEN'T HAPPENED
IS JUST ASTOUNDING.
YOU KNOW, WHO IS TO SAY THAT IF THE CRB WERE MORE
INDEPENDENT.
WERE OUTSIDE COUNTY STRUCTURE OF TPD, WHO IS TO SAY THAT
PEOPLE MIGHT NOT HAVE FELT MORE COMFORTABLE COMING FORWARD.
BIKING WHILE BLACK.
RENTING WHILE BLACK.
MAYBE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN STOPPED AND COULD HAVE AVOIDED
THESE COSTLY UNFORTUNATE INVESTIGATIONS AND THIS WHOLE THING
MIGHT HAVE BEEN CONCLUDED WITHOUT THE NEED FOR SPRAWL
INTERVENTION.
MAKES GOOD SENSE AND GOOD GOVERNANCE OTHER CITIES, OTHER
COUNTIES HAVE THIS MEASURE AND SEEMS TO WORK FINE WITH THEM.
AGAIN, I AM REFERENCING THE CASE OF THE YOUNG LADY THAT CAME
TO US.
HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING BECAUSE OF WHERE HER ISSUE TOOK
PLACE IN THE HOSPITAL, BEING ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, USE SUBPOENA
POWER WHICH, YOU KNOW, WAS ALSO VOTED DOWN BY THIS COUNCIL,
WOULD HAVE, IN THEORY, ALLOWED THE CRB GATHER PHYSICAL
EVIDENCE WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS YOUNG LADY TO SEE IN BLACK
AND WHITE EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.
IS TPD TELLING THE TRUTH CASE.
IT NEEDS AN INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY AND SUBPOENA POWER
FROM TPD.
THANK YOU.
10:11:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
ANYBODY ELSE IN CHAMBERS?
MR. BARTON, I AM GOING TO GO TO SEE WHO IS ONLINE AND THEN
COME BACK TO YOU.
MR. RANDOLPH, ARE YOU ONLINE?
10:11:17AM >> YES, I AM ONLINE.
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:11:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, SIR, WE CAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:11:22AM >> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH WITH THE WEST
TAMPA CAC.
I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT AND MEETING HELD DURING
THE WEEK.
THE WEST TAMPA CAC BRINGING BACK -- ASKING TO BRING BACK --
I THINK WHEN I TALK ABOUT THIS PROJECT, WE WILL BRING IT
BACK.
I AM HAPPY TO BE PART OF THE WIN-WIN PROJECT FOR RESIDENTS
OF TAMPA.
RESIDENTS OF WEST TAMPA.
AS WELL AS BEING PART OF THE -- WEST TAMPA CAC OF TECHNOLOGY
AND JOB CREATION.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF PRIVATE-PUBLIC RELATIONSHIP AT ITS
BEST.
40% OF BUSINESS SHOULD BE SET ASIDE.
BASED ON CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY OVER THE LAST
THREE YEARS OF THIS PROJECT.
FIRST, THEY WANT TO SEE A REDUCTION IN DENSITY.
THEY WANT TO SEE A REDUCTION IN CRIME.
THEY WANT INCREASE IN PUBLIC SAFETY.
INCREASE IN BLACK BUSINESSES.
AN INCREASE IN EMPOWERMENT IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND FOR TECHNOLOGY.
THE FIRST PROJECT IS A HOME-BASED COMMERCIAL CENTER IN WHICH
WE ARE WORKING WITH OVER 50 TO 75 NEW BUSINESSES THAT HAVE
STARTED IN WEST TAMPA.
THAT IS WHAT WE CALL CURATING WEALTH.
FOCUSED ON LOW INCOME.
THE OPPORTUNITY GROW.
AND WHAT IS KNOWN AS THE WEST TAMPA BUSINESS COMMERCE
PROJECT THAT WILL CONNECT BUSINESSES, RESIDENTS AND CONNECT
RESIDENTS TO HISS.
THE WEST TAMPA TECHNOLOGY CENTER WILL INCLUDE WORKING WITH
YOUNG PEOPLE IN MOBILE APPLICATIONS, SOFT WEARY APPLICATIONS
AND ETC.
THE NEXT PROJECT IS WHAT WE CALLED THE PERFORMANCE ART AND
PRODUCTION CENTER WHICH WILL PROCEED REGARDING STUDIO FOR
YOUNG PEOPLE.
A TV STATION, AS WELL AS A RADIO STATION FOR YOUNG PEOPLE.
WE THINK WE HAVE BROUGHT BACK IN INTO THE COMMUNITY.
WE ASK THE CITY OF TAMPA WHEN DO YOU PROJECTS, INTENTION
ALLEY TO REDUCE GENTRIFICATION.
THANK YOU AGAIN.
10:14:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. RANDOLPH.
MISS POYNOR, ARE YOU THERE?
MISS POYNOR, ARE YOU THERE?
10:14:44AM >> I'M HERE.
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:14:46AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, MA'AM.
10:14:47AM >> I AM FREEZING IN HELEN, GEORGIA.
FIRST THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ITEMS NUMBER 4-6.
I WATCH AND I UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT WHAT GOES ON AT THE CITY
OF TAMPA THAN PROBABLY THE MAJORITY OF THE FOLKS WHO LIVE
HERE.
AND ONCE AGAIN, THE WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT AND THE WATER
DEPARTMENT TAKE THE CAKE FOR MAKING THEMSELVES THE MOST
CONFUSING BUNCH OF PEOPLE I HAVE EVER SEEN.
$88 MILLION IN THREE ITEMS BRINGING BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
THEY JUST IS IT A PRESENTATION IN FRONT OF YOUR BUDGET
COMMITTEE A MONTH AGO.
I DON'T REMEMBER THEM TALKING OF SPENDING ANOTHER $88
MILLION.
HOW MUCH OF THIS IS ATTACHED TO THE PURE PROJECT?
DON'T KNOW.
HOW MUCH OF IT -- LIKE THE KEYSTONE COPS WHEN WE ARE DEALING
WITH WASTEWATER.
I NEVER UNDERSTAND.
EITHER THEY ARE VERY, VERY IGNORANT FOLKS WHICH I SERIOUSLY
DOUBT OR MADE TO BE CONFUSING.
PLEASE, PLEASE, CONTINUE THIS UNTIL WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT
WE ARE DOING WITH OUR MONEY.
$88 MILLION.
EVEN IF IT IS ONLY WASTEWATER AND WASTEWATER HAS ITS OWN
BUDGET.
I WANT TO KNOW IF WE HAD THE CASH TO PAY FOR IT BECAUSE TIME
TO PAY FOR THINGS OUT OF OUR POCKET.
WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND MONEY WE DON'T HAVE UNLESS WE ARE
ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO DO SO.
AND I DON'T SEE THAT IS THE CASE OR IT WILL BE TALKED ABOUT
FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS ON END.
OF COURSE, 13 AND 14 ARE PURE, WHICH NEEDS TO GO.
NUMBER 20, CMT NEEDS TO CONTINUE, OF COURSE.
THE STUDY FOR FOOD DESERTS IN NUMBER 21.
I HAVE A LOT OF OPINIONS ABOUT THAT.
THERE IS NO REASON TO FIGURE OUT WHERE OUR FOOD DESERTS ARE
BECAUSE THE USDA DEFINE WHAT IS A FOOD DESERT IS AND WHERE
THEY ARE LOCATED.
AND DON'T FORGET OUR PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN.
WHY ARE WE PRESENTING SOMETHING THAT IS A YEAR OLD AT THIS
POINT?
I JUST DIDN'T I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE CAN'T GET IT
TOGETHER.
WE SPEND $1 MILLION ON A TRANSPORTATION STUDY IN THE LAST
COUPLE OF WEEKS.
WE SPENT $750,000 ON A HOUSING STUDY.
WE STUDY ALL KINDS OF STUFF IN THIS CITY, AND YET, WE CAN'T
GET A MASTER PLAN?
I MEAN, HECK, THE -- THE FIRE DEPARTMENT UNION HAS ALREADY
DONE A MASTER PLAN THAT IT WOULDN'T BE TOO HARD TO, LIKE,
LOOK AT AND SAY, HEY, MAYBE WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD FROM
THAT.
THE BEGGAR SIGNS -- NUMBER 17.
THOSE ARE PART OF OUR GOOD NEIGHBOR NOTICES THAT SEEM TO BE
STALLED BEHIND THE SCENES AND WE WOULD LIKE TO START TO SEE
IT MOVE FORWARD AGAIN.
THAT GOOD NEIGHBOR NOTICE IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
CARROLL ANN BENNETT AND THE THAN YBOR WORKED WITH THE LAND
USE ATTORNEYS AND THE TAMPA BUILDERS ASSOCIATION.
TIME FOR IT TO MOVE FORWARD AND THOSE SIGNS ARE PART OF THAT
GOOD NEIGHBOR NOTICE PROCESS.
THANK YOU.
HAVE A GOOD DAY.
10:17:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
MISS COLTHANE, ARE YOU ON THE LINE?
OKAY.
THANK YOU.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A SPEAKER MR. FREDDY BARTON WITH SAFE
AND SOUND HILLSBOROUGH COME UP TO SPEAK TO US FOR ONE SECOND
IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
HE ALSO HAS A BRIEF VIDEO.
MR. BARTON.
10:18:11AM >> GOOD MORNING.
AGAIN, FREDDIE BARTON WITH SAFE AND SOUND HILLSBOROUGH.
I WOULD HIKE TO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THIS BRIEF MOMENT
TO SPEAK WITH YOU.
I WANT TO START WITH SOME NUMBERS.
SEVEN YOUTH WERE ARRESTED IN THE CITY OF TAMPA IN
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY ON TUESDAY.
AND THEY WERE IN COURT ON -- YESTERDAY MORNING.
UNFORTUNATELY, I HAVE THE TASK OF BEING IN COURT EVERY
SINGLE DAY INCLUDING CHRISTMAS DAY AND THE DAY AFTER
CHRISTMAS WHICH MEANS YOUTH ARE GETTING ARRESTED ON THOSE
DAYS AND OUT OF THE SEVEN YOUTH, HIGHLIGHT FOUR OF THEM.
16-YEAR-OLD BASED ON FLORIDA STATUTE WAS A FELON IN
POSSESSION OF A FIREARM AND A MINOR IN POSSESSION OF A
FIREARM.
ANOTHER 16-YEAR-OLD YOUTH WAS CHARGED WITH CARRYING A
CONCEALED FIREARM AND MINOR IN POSSESSION OF A FIREARM.
APPEAR 14-YEAR-OLD YOUTH WAS CHARGED WITH POSSESSION OF A
FIREARM, GRAND THEFT AND BURGLARY.
AND A 13-YEAR-OLD WHO WAS HIS YOUNGER BROTHER WAS CHARGED
WITH THE SAME.
LAST WEEK, AS PART OF OUR YOUTH GUN OFFENDER PROGRAM, SEVEN
YOUNG MEN WHO HAVE BEEN CHARGED AND ARE GOING THROUGH THE
JUVENILE JUSTICE SYSTEM ON GUN OR WEAPON-RELATED OFFENSES
WENT TO A FUNERAL HOME -- THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN GUDES FOR
HELPING TO TOWARD NATE THAT -- WHEN THEY LEARNED WHAT
HAPPENS TO A VICTIM IF THEY LOSE THEIR LIFE DUE TO A GUNSHOT
WOUND AND HOW THAT BODY NEEDS TO BE PREPARED NOT FOR THE
VICTIM BUT SO THAT THE FAMILY CAN SEE THAT INDIVIDUAL.
THIS IS PART OF A PROCESS THAT WE TAKE THESE YOUNG
INDIVIDUALS WITH THROUGH IN HOPES TO HELP TURN THEM AROUND.
MORE NUMBERS.
IN 2022, 170 NONFATAL AND 39 FATAL SHOOTINGS OCCURRED IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA.
IN ADDITION, ANOTHER 70 NONFATAL AND 34 FATAL SHOOTINGS
HAPPENED IN UNINCORPORATED HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY OUTSIDE OF
THE CITY OF TAMPA.
COMBINED, THOSE NUMBERS COMPLETELY ECLIPSE ALL OF THE
NUMBERS IN 2021.
I HAVE HERE ON TRANSPARENCY A PROJECT THAT WE PUT TOGETHER
AT SAFER SOUND HILLSBOROUGH MONDAY MARCH 20 AT 7 P.M. AT THE
TAMPA THEATRE.
WE HAVE COMMISSIONED A SHORT FILM NEARLY 20 MINUTES IN
LENGTHEN TITLED "BLINK" BECAUSE IN THAT AMOUNT OF TIME LIVES
CAN BE CHANGED ASK THE COUNCIL AND THE GREATER COMMUNITY TO
COME OUT TO THE TAMPA THEATRE NOT TO WATCH THE FILM, BUT TO
WATCH THE FILM AND BE READY FOR A REAL COMMUNITY DISCUSSION.
WE WANT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT THERE.
WE WANT OUR COMMUNITY THERE.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY WE WANT OUR KIDS THERE.
FOUR OUT OF SEVEN YOUTH WERE IN COURT YESTERDAY FOR FIREARM
CHARGES.
AS A FATHER OF TWO YOUNG BLACK MEN, 18 AND 16.
IT SCARES ME THAT WE STILL LIVE IN THEY ARE A.
I AM ASKING THAT EVERYBODY GO TO SAFE AND SOUND HILLSBOROUGH
WEB SITE.
WWW.SAFEANDSOUND.ORG.
REGISTER TO ATTEND THE PREMIERE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO -- WE WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE
COMING.
AS OF ONE MINUTE GO 525 PEOPLE REGISTERED TO ATTEND.
THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE OUR PARTNERS WITH TPD.
WE HAVE A PRELOADED TRAILER OF THE FILM.
SELF-OF OUR YOUTH IN OUR YOUTH OFFENDER PROGRAM PARTICIPATED
IN THE FILMING OF THIS AND WILL PARTICIPATE IN THE
DISCUSSION.
WE KNOW THE NUMBERS WE KNOW THE PROBLEM.
WE HAVE THE PROBLEMS.
WE HAVE THE NUMBERS.
WE HAVE THE STATISTICS.
WHAT WE DON'T HAVE IS ENOUGH OF COMMUNITY-BORNE SOLUTIONS.
SO IT IS MY PLEA NOT TO THIS COUNCIL, BUT TO TAMPA AND THE
SURROUNDING AREAS TO INCLUDE CITY COUNCIL TO PLEASE HELP US
AS I SHOW THE TRAILER AND ASK FOR YOUR ATTENDANCE AND
PARTICIPATION.
I HAVE EXTRA FLYERS FOR COUNCILMEMBERS IF I CAN APPROACH
AFTER THE TRAILER.
I THANK YOU.
IF WE CAN SHOW THE TRAILER RIGHT NOW.
10:23:37AM >>> THANK YOU.
10:23:37AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:23:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:23:42AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
FREDDIE, THANK YOU FOR CONTACTING ME.
MY BROTHER TOLD ME IT WAS IMPACTFUL OVER THERE.
SO I AM GLAD THAT THEY GOT TO SEE WHATEVER THEY SAW.
MY BROTHER DIDN'T FILL ME IN ON THE DETAILS BUT HE WANTS TO
KEEP PARTNERING WITH YOU TO BRING OTHERS THROUGH AND MAYBE
SOME OF OUR FUNERAL HOMES CAN DO THE SAME THING.
GLAD YOU DID THAT.
BUT GLAD YOU ARE STILL WITH US.
GOD IS GOOD.
10:24:06AM >> THANK YOU, ALL THE TIME.
10:24:09AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SEEMS TO HAVE A LITTLE LIMP THERE, BUT A
GOOD GOD.
WHEN ONE DOOR CLOSES, ANOTHER ONE ALWAYS OPENS UP.
10:24:16AM >> ABSOLUTELY.
10:24:17AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ALWAYS.
YOU KNOW AS YOU TALK ABOUT OUR VIOLENCE IN OUR COMMUNITIES,
SEE, I ALWAYS SAYS IT ABOUT OPPORTUNITY.
IT IS ABOUT OPPORTUNITY.
AS I LOOKED AT OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY HOW IT IS REDEVELOPED
AND BUILT UP, GO TO OTHER PLACES WHERE THERE IS NO
OPPORTUNITY.
SEE, IF I LOOK GOOD, I FEEL GOOD.
I DO GOOD.
I ACT GOOD.
IF I DO GOOD.
I FEEL GOOD.
I ACT GOOD.
I AM PREPARED.
WHEN THE CHALLENGE COMES, I AM PREPARED.
NO MATTER WHAT THE CHALLENGE IS, I AM PREPARED TO DO GOOD.
FEEL GOOD.
ACT GOOD.
MISS POYNOR MADE A POINT THE NUMBERS OF HOW MUCH MONEY WE
SPEND ON PROJECTS AND THE NUMBERS WE DO FOR ROADS AND OTHER
THINGS THAT WE DO NEED.
I ALWAYS SAY THERE HAS GOT TO COME A TIME WHEN YOU HAVE
SOMEONE WHO IS IN AUTHORITY WHO CAN SAY, LET'S SPEND $100
MILLION IN BONDS TO BE CLEAN UP COMMUNITIES.
SPENDS THAT TYPE OF MONEY TO GO IN AN AREA AND CLEAN IT UP.
TO HAVE A TEAM TO SAY -- A TEAM GOES EAST TAMPA.
TEAM GOES TO SULPHUR SPRINGS AND CLEAN IT UP.
WHERE HE BUILD FOR THE PEOPLE TO STAY THERE.
WE WANT TO BOND THAT OUT.
HAVE COFFEE SHOPS THAT I ALWAYS DAY -- WHEN I LEAVE HERE, I
WILL BE ANOTHER ENTREPRENEUR AND HAVE A GOOD COFFEE SHOP
WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO AND HAVE A COMPUTER AND LOOK AT IN OUR
COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY COFFEE SHOPS.
TO GO AND DO POLITICAL TALK AND ALL KIND OF BUSINESS.
WE DON'T DO ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
SO I AM PRAYING THAT IF YOU GET ALL THESE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM
WITH THE THEATRE THAT -- WHATEVER THIS FILM IS GOING TO SHOW
AND OPEN PEOPLE'S EYES.
BECAUSE IF YOU NEVER LIVE -- YOU NEVER LIVED IT, YOU DON'T
UNDERSTAND IT.
YOU NEVER LIVED TO HAVE WHY YOU ARE LIGHTS TURNED OFF OR
GOING TO BED HUNGRY AT NIGHT OR GO TO SCHOOL WEARING SOMEONE
ELSE'S CLOTHES OR DIRTY CLOTHES AND TEACHER GO THE TO PULL
NEW THE ROOM BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO UNDERSTAND -- YOU HAVE
BEEN A TEACHER.
A CLOSET FULL OF CLOTHES FOR KIDS WHO DON'T HAVE IT OR
PARENTS ARE ON DRUGS AND ALCOHOL AND THEY ARE TAKING CARE OF
THE YOUNGER BROTHERS AND SISTERS.
SEE I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU KNOW.
THAT'S WHY -- THE ANGRY BLACK -- NOT AN ANGRY BLACK MAN.
I AM A BLACK MAN WHO UNDERSTANDS IT.
DON'T CARE WHAT PEOPLE THINK OR TO DO YOU.
MY GOD IS GOOD.
HE WILL GET ME THROUGH ANY STORM.
YOU CONTINUE TO FIGHT FOR THOSE YOUNG PEOPLE.
I WILL BE OUT THERE WITH YOU.
I WILL HAVE MORE TIME.
I HAVE MY BALL CAP READY, MR. MIRANDA.
I HAVE MY WILSON.
MY BALL CAP AND WILSON.
I AM READY TO GO TO WORK.
AFTER MAY 1, I WILL STILL GO TO WORK.
YOU WILL STILL HEAR MY MOUTH.
YOU KEEP STRONG IN WHAT YOU ARE DOING, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE
LIKE-MINDED PEOPLE TO DO LIKE-MINDED THINGS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.
10:27:26AM >> THANK YOU.
10:27:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:27:31AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
LIKE COUNCILMAN GUDES SAID, I APPRECIATE
WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
TAKES MORE THAN YOURSELF AND YOUR GROUP.
I CAN ONLY TELL YOU BY MY OWN EXPERIENCE BROGUE UP IN 1806
KENNEL COURT.
I PLAY WITH EVERYBODY THERE.
I KNOW THE WHOLE SYSTEM.
WELL, I THINK I DO.
YOU NEVER LEARN ANYTHING IN LIFE, I'LL TELL YOU THAT.
BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT TO ME ONE DAY I THOUGHT I WAS AS
HOT-SHOT BASEBALL PLAYER AND HANG AROUND WITH SOME GUYS WHO
MAYBE WERE NOT IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
MY FATHER SAID ONE THING, LET ME TOO SEE YOUR HAND.
NO CELL PHONE.
PHONES IN THE CORNER PUT A DEEM IN AND YOU COULD TALK TO
SOMEONE.
HE HANDED ME A DIME.
I SAID WHAT IS A DIME FOR?
HE SAID IF YOU GET IN TROUBLE, CALL SOMEBODY ELSE.
THAT STAYED WITH ME FOREVER.
SOME I UNDERSTAND OR I THINK I DO BECAUSE NO ONE REALLY
UNDERSTANDS ALL OF IT.
IT COULD BE ONE LIFE THAT EXPLODES IN A DIRECTION OF
SOMEONE.
BUT WHEN YOU HAVE KIDS AT DIFFERENT AGES HANGING OUT WITH
KIDS THAT ARE OLDER THAN THEM, THEY BECOME THE ROLE MODEL
FOR THEM.
NOT THE PARENTS.
NOT THE FAMILY.
SO THIS ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE.
YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND AND START FROM NOT WHEN THEY ARE 14
AND 15.
BUT WHEN THEY ARE FOUR AND FIVE YEARS OLD.
BECAUSE THE CULTURE WILL NOT CHANGE IF YOU GET THEM PAST 15
OR 16.
THEY HAVE SEEN TOO MANY THINGS.
WE HAVE SEEN PEOPLE WITH A LOT OF MONEY EARNING IT THE HARD
WAY.
LET'S GO BACK JUST A FEW YEARS.
WE SPEND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TELLING PEOPLE NOT TO SMOKE
MARIJUANA BECAUSE SOMEBODY ELSE IS MAKING THE MONEY.
NOW WE ARE SELLING IT AND THE STATE IS GETTING THE MONEY.
WHAT IS THE HILL THE DIFFERENCE?
IT IS STILL MARIJUANA?
WHY DID WE SPEND THE MONEY?
YOU GOT TO ASK YOURSELF THE QUESTIONS.
I WAS VERY FORTUNATE.
IF I EVER COME BACK AGAIN AS SOMEBODY ELSE, I WANT TO COME
BACK THE SAME WAY AND HAVE THE SAME FRIENDS, THE SAME WIFE
AND THE SAME KIDS.
AND THIS IS WHAT YOU GOT TO INSTILL IN THEM.
THAT THERE IS A WAY OUT.
AND IT MAY NOT BE WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE IN MONEY, BUT
YOU WON'T BE IN HANDCUFFS.
AND ONCE YOU HAVE THAT, THAT DEGREE AND COMING OUT OF JAIL,
YOU GOT AN X BEHIND YOU AND IN FRONT OF YOU AND MAKE IT MUCH
HARDER WHERE YOU WANT TO GO BECAUSE YOU COMMITTED A CRIME,
GUILTY OF IT AND YOU SERVED SOME TIME.
THE PROBLEM IS AS I SEE IT -- I USED TO GIVE SPEECHES TO
KIDS IN FALKENBERG JAIL.
YOU KNOW WHY I STOPPED GOING IN BECAUSE WHEN THEY WENT BACK
HOME, GOING RIGHT WHERE THEY WERE.
I WASTED MY TIME, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I KNEW THEY WERE GOING TO THE SAME PLACE.
WHAT -- I COULDN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
I SAID WHAT THE HILL AM I DOING HERE.
SO UNLESS THE SYSTEM CHANGES, YOU WILL NEVER GOING TO FIX
THE PROBLEM.
YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM BEFORE YOU CAN TRY TO FIX
IT.
BUT THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
I WILL TRY TO BE THERE AT 7:00.
I CAN MAKE THOSE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:30:43AM >> THANK YOU.
10:30:44AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. BARTON.
YOU READY?
10:31:07AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, DAVID HARVEY, ASSISTANT STATE
ATTORNEY.
I'M HERE IN CONNECTION WITH THE CURRENTLY PENDING FEDERAL
LAWSUIT ROBERT VAZO VERSUS CITY OF TAMPA.
AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER WE ARE ASKING A CLOSED CITY COUNCIL
MEETING TO DISCUSS THAT CASE.
THESE TYPE OF CLOSED MEETINGS GOVERNED 286.011 SUBSECTIONS
8.
SO I AM GOING TO REVIEW THAT QUICKLY FOR COUNCIL'S BENEFIT.
AGAIN, THIS APPLIES -- WE HAVE CURRENTLY PENDING LITIGATION
THAT THE CITY IS A PARTY AND WHICH WE ARE.
WE ARE A DEFENDANT IN THAT -- IN THAT LAWSUIT.
IN ORDER TO HAVE A CLOSED MEETING, THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS
MUST BE MET.
FIRST, THE ENTITY'S ATTORNEY MUST ADVISE THE ENTITY AT A
PUBLIC MEETING THAT SHE DESIRES ADVICE CONCERNING
LITIGATION.
THAT IS WHAT I'M HERE TODAY AT THIS PUBLIC MEETING DOING,
ADVISING THAT WE NEED ADVICE CONCERNING THE VAZO CASE.
THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE CLOSED MEETING CONFINED TO
STRATEGY NEGOTIATIONS REGARDING TO LITIGATION EXPENDITURES
THIS MEET BEING WILL BE SPECIFIC TO SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATIONS.
THE THIRD CONDITION, THAT THE ENTIRE SESSION WILL BE
RECORDED BY A CERTIFIED COURT REPORTER.
TIMES, COMMENCEMENT AND TERMINATION, ALL DISCUSSION AND
PROCEEDINGS, THE NAMES OF ALL PERSONS PRESENT AT ANY TIME,
AND THE NAMES OF ALL PERSONS SPEAKING.
NO PORTION OF THE SESSION SHALL BE OFF THE RECORD.
THE COURT REPORTER'S NOTES SHALL BE FULLY TRANSCRIBED AND
FILED WITH THE CLERK WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME AFTER THE
MEETING.
FOURTH REQUIREMENT IS THAT THE ENTITIES SHALL GIVE
REASONABLE PUBLIC NOTICE OF THE TIME AND DATE OF THE
ATTORNEY-CLIENT SESSION AND NAME OF PERSONS ATTENDING THE
SESSION.
I SPOKE WITH MR. SHELBY.
HE ADVISED THIS COULD BE DONE ONE WEEK FROM TODAY, MARCH 23,
2023 AT 11:00 A.M.
THAT MEET ALSO TAKE PLACE AT OLD CITY HALL AT THE 8th FLOOR
CONFERENCE ROOM.
AND EXPECTED LENGTH OF THE MEETING WILL BE ABOUT 45 MINUTES.
INDIVIDUALS PRESENT WILL BE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, COUNCIL
ATTORNEY MR. SHELBY, CITY ATTORNEY MISS ZELMAN, MYSELF, AND
A COURT REPORTER.
AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE -- THE SESSION SHALL COMMENCE --
THE CLOSED SESSION SHALL COMMENCE IN AN OPEN MEETING THAT
WILL TAKE PLACE NEXT WEEK AT THE PERSON SHARING THE MEETING
WILL ANNOUNCE THE COMMENCEMENT AND ESTIMATED LENGTH OF THE
ATTORNEY-CLIENT SESSION WHICH IS ABOUT 45 MINUTES AND THE
NAMES OF THE PERSONS ATTENDING, WHICH I JUST PROVIDED.
AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE SESSION, THE MEETING SHALL BE
REOPENED AND THE PERSON SHARING THE MEETING SHALL ANNOUNCE
THE TERMINATION OF THE SESSION.
THE LAST REQUIREMENT, AGAIN, THAT THE TRANSCRIPT WILL BE
MADE PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD UPON CONCLUSION OF THE
UNDERLYING LITIGATION, THE VAZO CASE.
10:34:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL.
10:34:11AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN, BEFORE YOU ASK THE QUESTION, I
WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL THAT COUNCIL SHOULD AVOID ANY
DISCUSSION OF MATTER WHERE THE CITY IS A PARTY OF LITIGATION
WITHOUT THE CORE CURRENTS OF COUNCIL.
MY SUGGESTION -- I AM CONCERNED OF DISCUSSION.
I HAVE -- I DON'T KNOW WHETHER COUNCIL HAS IT IN FRONT OF
YOU, WHOEVER IS GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION THE LANGUAGE THAT
MR. HARVEY DRAFTED FOR THE PURPOSES OF FOLLOWING THE
STATUTE.
I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCILMEMBERS HAVE THAT, BUT WHOEVER WOULD
NEED A COPY I CAN PROVIDE THAT TO READ THE MOTION.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT IS PERTAINING
TO THE PROCESS?
OR SOMETHING THAT RELATES TO THE LITIGATION, COUNCIL.
10:34:57AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:34:59AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS NOW.
ONE IS TO YOU.
THE MEDIA WILL ASK US WHEN THE MINUTES WILL BE AVAILABLE TO
THE PUBLIC.
SO YOU SAID IT WILL BE FILED AT A REASONABLE TIME AFTER THE
MEETING.
A CERTAIN LEGAL LOCKOUT PERIOD OR IS THERE -- WILL IT BE
IMMEDIATELY AVAILABLE ONCE THEY ARE DONE.
10:35:21AM >> THE STATUTE REQUIRES A REASONABLE TIME.
FROM MY EXPERIENCE, COURT REPORTERS CAN GET THIS DONE
CERTAINLY WITHIN A WEEK.
10:35:28AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
A QUESTION IS THAT THAT DOES NOT GET
RELEASED UNTIL THE SETTLEMENT AND THE END OF THE LITIGATION,
IS THAT CORRECT?
10:35:37AM >> YES, IT DOES NOT BECOME PUBLIC UNTIL THE CONCLUSION OF
THE LIT CALCULATION.
THAT IS THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION.
IT DOES NOT BECOME PUBLIC UNTIL THE LITIGATION IS INCLUDED.
10:35:47AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU READING IS OF COUNCILMEMBERS COMMENTING
ON LITIGATION.
CAN YOU TELL US WHERE YOU CITED AND WHAT IT SAID.
10:35:55AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SAYS EXACTLY ABOUT THIS.
RULES 4 --
10:35:59AM >>BILL CARLSON:
COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURES.
10:36:01AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURES AND
LONG-STANDING RULE, 4J, COUNCIL SHOULD AVOID OF ANY
DISCUSSION OF MATTERS AT A PUBLIC MEETING WHERE THE CITY IS
OR LIKELY TO BE A PARTY IN LITIGATION WITHOUT CONCURRENCE OF
COUNCIL.
10:36:16AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MY QUESTION -- THIS IS A DISCUSSION FOR
ANOTHER DAY AND MAYBE I WILL MAKE A MOTION AT THE END OF THE
SESSION.
THE ONLY PARTIES I AM AWARE OF IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS THAT
HAVE TALKED OUT OF SESSION ABOUT PENDING LITIGATION IS THE
CITY ATTORNEY AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.
IN PARTICULAR, ABOUT THE GUDES CASE AND THE DINGFELDER CASES
WHICH AT THE TIME I THOUGHT WAS INAPPROPRIATE AND VIOLATED
BAR RULES.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO DISCUSS IT AT SOME POINT THAT THE
CITY ATTORNEY -- THE CITY COUNCIL AND CITY COUNCILMEMBERS BY
CHARTER ARE -- ARE CLIENTS OF THE CITY ATTORNEY AND SOMEHOW
THE -- CITY COUNCIL CAN REFRAIN FROM DISCUSSING PEND
LITIGATION AND THE CITY SHOULD NOT BE DISCUSSING LITIGATION
IF IT MAKES THEM ACCOUNTABLE AND CITY COUNCILMEMBERS.
WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE PUSHING OUT
INFORMATION IN ONE CASE RESULTED IN A SIX-FIGURE SETTLEMENT.
I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THIS
LITIGATION AND OTHER LITIGATION CONFIDENTIAL AND BEING
CRITICIZED TO SOME EXTENT BY THE PUBLIC AND MEDIA FOR DOING
SO.
WHEN WE TRY TO WORK IN GOOD FAITH AND BEING HIT WITH
POTENTIAL LITIGATION, IT IS FRUSTRATING THAT OUR OWN
ATTORNEYS AND OUR COLLEAGUES ACROSS THE STREET ARE SAYING --
MAKING DISPARAGING AND DEFAMATORY REMARKS.
THANK YOU.
10:37:47AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:37:48AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, I STRONGLY SUGGEST WE MOVE THIS FORWARD.
PEOPLE ARE -- THEY CAN SPEAK AS THEY WISH, ETC.
MOVE THIS FORWARD.
NARROWLY TAILORED THIS ONE CASE AND MAKES SENSE AND WHAT
NOT.
IF ANYBODY HAS ANY COMMENTS OR ANYTHING.
10:38:14AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AGREE WITH YOU MR. VIERA AND 1/8 OF
ELECTED OFFICIALS.
THIS ONE WILL KEEP IT QUIET TO MYSELF.
THE ONLY OF MIND CONVERSATION.
10:38:25AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I MOTION TO ADD TO THE MARCH 23, 2023, TO BE
HELD AT 11 A.M. IN THE 8th FLOOR CONFERENCE ROOM OF OLD CITY
HALL IN ORDER TO DISCUSS SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATIONS IN THE CASE
VAZO VERSUS THE CITY OF TAMPA WITH ATTENDANCE LIMITED TO
MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL, CITY ATTORNEY MARTIN SHELBY, CITY
ATTORNEY ANDREA ZELMAN, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY DAVID HARVEY
AND A CERTIFIED COURT REPORTER.
10:38:52AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
10:38:53AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:39:01AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION, BUT BEHOOVES ME
WE DO THINGS WHEN WE WANT TO DO THINGS AND DO THINGS IN THE
APPROPRIATE MATTER.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING UP.
WE DO WHAT WE WANT TO DO AT TIMES.
I AM GOING TO SUPPORT IT TODAY AND I HAVE BEEN IN SHADE
LITIGATION BEFORE.
BEHOOVES ME YOU PAY OUT OTHERS AND DO OTHER THINGS IN AN
APPROPRIATE MANNER.
I AM GOING TO SUPPORT IT, BUT THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT
UP, SIR, YOU ARE CORRECT.
10:39:43AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
I JUST RECEIVED A NOTE FROM OUR CITY CLERK ASKING IF WE
COULD TAKES 86-93 FIRST BEFORE WE GO INTO STAFF REPORTS.
10:40:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT IS FINE.
SO MOVED.
10:40:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
MAKE A MOTION.
10:40:26AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE TO OPEN ALL THE 9:30s.
10:40:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR.
MOTION CARRIES.
ANYONE GIVING ANY TYPE OF TESTIMONIES TODAY, WILL YOU PLEASE
RISE TO BE SWORN IN NOBODY GIVING ANY KIND OF TESTIMONY
THROUGH AGENDA ITEM 96-93.
PLEASE STAND TO BE SWORN IN.
[SWEARING IN]
10:41:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
TAKE ITEM NUMBER 86, FILE NUMBER TA/CPA
22-80.
MR. COLLINS, I DID SEE WHY YOU ARE HAND UP
TO BE SWORN IN.
10:41:18AM >>DANNY COLLINS:
I DID.
I WAS SWORN IN.
TODAY I WILL BE PRESENTING TA/CPA 22-08, AMENDMENT AMENDING
THE 2040 TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO AMEND ONE WATER
COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING FOR WATER RESOURCE TO REPLACE THE
POTABLE WATER, WASTEWATER AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT
SECTIONS.
YOU HEARD THE ITEM ON FIRST READING CONSIDERING FOR FEBRUARY
23 AND VOTED TO APPROVE IT FOR SECOND READING.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
SEEING NONE.
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEM
NUMBER 86, FILE NUMBER TA/CPA 22-08.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:42:19AM >>BILL CARLSON:
NUMBER 86.
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE 86, FILE NUMBER TA/CPA
22-08.
ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION
ORDINANCE AMENDING THE IMAGINE 2040: TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN TO AMEND ONE WATER COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING FOR WATER
RESOURCES REPLACES THE POTABLE WATER, WASTEWATER AND
STORMWATER.
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:42:48AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
10:42:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
10:42:53AM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:43:03AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 87, FILE NUMBER TA/CPA
22-12.
10:43:10AM >>DANNY COLLINS:
DANNY COLLINS WITH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION
STAFF.
I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
I WILL BE PRESENTING TA/CPA 22-12.
LOCATED 5215 WEST TYSON AVENUE FOR SECOND READING TO CHANGE
FROM HEAVY INDUSTRIAL TO COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35 FUTURE LAND
USE DESIGNATION.
YOU HEARD THIS ITEM AT YOUR HEARINGS ON FEBRUARY 23, AND YOU
VOTED TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
10:43:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
SEEING NONE, ANYONE IN CHAMBERS THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 87, FILE NUMBER TA/CPA 22-12.
SEEING NONE.
ANYONE ONLINE?
10:43:56AM >> MOTION TO CLOSE.
10:43:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:44:05AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I MOVE AN ORDINANCE PRESENT FOR SECOND READING
AND ADOPTION AMENDING THE IMAGINE 2040: TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THE
PROPERTY 5215 WEST TYSON AVENUE FROM HEAVY INDUSTRIAL TO
COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35 PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL
ORDINANCES AND CONFLICT.
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING A EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:44:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
10:44:36AM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:44:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 88, FILE
NUMBER TA/CPA 22-27.
10:44:50AM >>DANNY COLLINS:
DANNY COLLINS, AGAIN, WITH YOUR PLANNING
COMMISSION STAFF.
I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN AND PRESENTING TA/CPA 22-27 FOR
PROPERTIES LOCATED 5012 AND 5006 EAST 97th AVENUE.
AND MULTIPLE FOLIOS ALSO INCLUDED IN THE REQUEST.
TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE TO RESIDENTIAL-10 TO
RESIDENTIAL-35.
YOU HEARD THIS ITEM AT YOUR HEARING ON FEBRUARY 23 AND BACK
BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR SECOND READINGS.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND AVAILABLE FOR ANY
QUESTIONS.
10:45:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO FILE NUMBER TA/CPA
22-27?
SEEING NONE.
ANYONE ONLINE.
10:45:37AM >>CLERK:
NO ONE ONLINE.
10:45:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:45:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION AMENDING THE IMAGINE 2040: TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
FUTURE ELEMENT FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED 5012 AND 5006 EAST
97 th AVENUE FOLIO NUMBERS 142830.5025, 142830.50/50, FROM
RESIDENTIAL-10, R-10, TO RESIDENTIAL-35, R-35, PROVIDING FOR
REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR
SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:46:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR -- EXCUSE ME, PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
>CLERK: MOTION CARRIES WITH HURTAK AND VIERA VOTING NO.
10:46:42AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 89.
VAC-22-26.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 89.
VAC-22-26.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE ONLINE?
10:47:21AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND TO BE SWORN IN.
[SWEARING IN}
10:47:30AM >>ROSS SAMONS:
ROSS SAMONS, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
AN ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING PROPOSED VACATING
TO VACATE ALLEYWAY LOCATED NORTH OF ESTELLE, NORTH OF
HENDERSON, EAST OF MARION AND WEST OF MOBLEY STREET WITHIN
THE SUBDIVISION.
I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
10:47:52AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SAMONS.
10:47:54AM >> ALEC SCHALER AT 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AND
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL TODAY.
THANKS.
10:48:05AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO FILE
NUMBER VAC 22-26?
10:48:16AM >>CLERK:
NO ONE IS REGISTERED.
10:48:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN -- I HAVE REVIEWED THE TAPE.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:48:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FILE NUMBER VAC-22-26, ORDINANCE FOR SECOND
READING AND ADOPTION, FOR VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING
AND ABANDONING THE ALLEY WAY LOCATED NORTH OF ESTELLE
STREET, SOUTH OF HENDERSON AVENUE, EAST OF MARION STREET AND
WEST OF MORGAN STREET WITHIN THE PLAN OF MOBLEY'S
SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY,
FLORIDA, AS FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 HEREOF SUBJECT TO
CERTAIN COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE
PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HERE IN PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:49:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND SECONDED
BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
10:49:22AM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:49:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 90, FILE
NUMBER REZ-22-116.
10:49:32AM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL AND CHAIRMAN.
LaCHONE DOCK.
10:49:38AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HAVE YOU BEEN SWORN IN?
10:49:44AM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
I HAVE, YES.
THE NEXT ITEM 22-116 IS BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING FOR
THE PROPERTY BOUNDED BY HENDERSON AVENUE TO THE NORTH,
MORGAN STREET TO THE EAST.
FLORIDA AVENUE TO THE WEST AND ESTELLE STREET TO THE SOUTH.
THIS REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM RM-24, CI AND PD
TO A PD FOR RESIDENTIAL AND STOREFRONT RESIDENTIAL USES, FOR
COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE STOREFRONT RESIDENTIAL AND
MULTIFAMILY.
AND CHANGES ARE REQUIRED TO BE MADE TO THE SITE PLAN BEFORE
FIRST AND SECOND READING.
THOSE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE AND THE PLANS ARE PROVIDED TO
THE CLERK.
THE AGENT FOR THIS PROPERTY IS ALEC SCHALER.
I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COUNCIL.
10:50:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
PETITIONER?
10:50:36AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
ALEC SCHALER.
400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
SAME AS LaCHONE, I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND
RESPECT YOUR APPROVAL TODAY.
10:50:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER?
SEEING NONE, ANY QUESTIONS -- ANY COMMENTS IN CHAMBERS FOR
FILE NUMBER REZ-22-116, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 09?
10:51:06AM >>CLERK:
NO ONE IS REGISTERED.
10:51:10AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
BEFORE WE CLOSE, A RESOLUTION THAT NEEDS TO
BE READ.
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:51:16AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I THOUGHT THE RESOLUTION HAD TO BE READ
BEFORE WE CLOSE.
10:51:21AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
CLOSE THE ABOUT PUBLIC HEARING.
READ THE TITLE.
VOTE ON THE ORDINANCE AND AFTER THAT IS -- ASSUMING THAT
PASSES, THEN YOU MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
10:51:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NEED A MOTION TO CLOSE, PLEASE.
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR.
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:51:39AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
REZ-22-116.
ORDINANCE SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
ORDER THAT IN REZONING PROPERTY IN 1503 AND 1505 NORTH
FLORIDA AVENUE.
1601, 04, 05, 07, 13 AND 15 NORTH MARION TREAT.
1602, 1604, 1606 AND 1608 NORTH MORGAN STREET IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA, AND CLASSIFICATION, CI COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE TO RM-24
TO PD AND TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL AND
STOREFRONT RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE PROVIDE AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:52:24AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES AND SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
AGAIN, I HAVE REVIEWED THIS CASE AND I CAN MAKE AN UNBIASED
DETERMINATION.
PLEASE PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
10:52:36AM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:52:44AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
10:52:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION BY
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSE?
MOTION CARRIES.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 91, FILE NUMBER AB 2-23-06.
10:53:02AM >>ANNIE BARNES:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
ANNIE BARNES, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
AGENDA ITEM 71 IS AB2-23-06 SECOND READING FOR SPECIAL USE
2 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE, CONSUMPTION ON
PREMISE AND PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISE FOR BEER, WINE AND
LIQUOR AT 6401 NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE.
SITE PLANS WERE DROPPED OFF EARLIER THIS WEEK, AND I AM
AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
10:53:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTION FOR STAFF?
PETITIONER?
10:53:33AM >> YES, SIR, I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
10:53:35AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER?
SEEING NONE.
ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEM
NUMBER 19, FILE NUMBER AB 2-23-06.
10:53:47AM >>CLERK:
NO ONE IS REGISTERED.
10:53:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOVE TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:53:57AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FILE NUMBER AB 2-23-06, FOR SECOND
READING AND ADOPTION.
ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES
SALES SMALL VENUE AND PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISE, BEER, WINE
AND LIQUOR AT OR FROM A CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACK OF LAND
6401 NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
SECTION 3 PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES AND PARTS OF
ORDINANCES ARE REPEALED PROVIDING FOR ORDINANCE 2013-106
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:54:34AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
10:54:41AM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO VOTING NO.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 92.
FILE NUMBER AB 2-23-07.
10:54:52AM >>ANNIE BARNES:
ANNIE BARNES, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM NUMBER 92, AB 2-23-07 FOR SECOND READING FOR SPECIAL
USE PERMIT FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SMALL VENUE, PREMISE ONLY,
FOR BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR LOCATED 4308 WEST GANDY BOULEVARD.
SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN DROPPED OFF AND AIM AVAILABLE FOR ANY
QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
10:55:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
RYAN MANASSE.
WE ARE HERE FOR THE APPLICANT AND REQUESTING YOUR APPROVAL
AND AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
10:55:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MANASSE?
THANK YOU.
ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WISHING TO SPEAK TO NUMBER 92, FILE
NUMBER AB 2-23-07.
SEEING NONE.
ANYONE ON ONLINE.
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:55:53AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FILE NUMBER -- YOU
NUMBER 29, FILE NUMBER AB 2-23-07, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED
FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE APPROVING THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR ALCOHOLIC
BEVERAGE SALES SMALL EVENTUAL SUE AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE
OF BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR AT THAT LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND
LOCATED 4308 WEST GANDY BOULEVARD AND ALL ORDINANCES ARE
REPEALED -- REPEALING AB 1-18-35 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
10:56:32AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
10:56:38AM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY UP.
10:56:50AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 39 ABOUT, FILE NUMBER E
2023-8 CHAPTER 27.
10:56:57AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT IS 10:30.
10:57:04AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 93 ALREADY FILE NUMBER E 2023-8 CHAPTER
27.
MR. COTTON.
10:57:16AM >>ERIC COTTON:
PROPOSED ORDINANCE HERE FOR SECOND READING.
FIRST READING MARCH 3.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WILL BE HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER
THEM FOR YOU.
10:57:26AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. COTTON.
SEEING NONE, ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WISH TO SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEM
NUMBER 93, FILE E 2023-8 CHAPTER 27.
ANYONE ONLINE?
MOVE TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:57:47AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOVE ORDINANCE OF SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION FOR ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA RELATED TO
PUBLICALLY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENTS OF CHAPTER 27 AMENDING
27-60, ALTERNATIVE DESIGN EXCEPTION.
AMENDING SECTION 27-181.2 COMPLIANCE.
ADMINISTRATIVE AUTHORITY, GENERAL PROCEDURES, AMENDING
SECTION 27-241, WEST TAMPA OVERLAY DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT
STANDARDS.
AND AMENDING 27-283.12 OFF-STREET PARKING SPACES PROVIDING
FOR REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT
THERE BE PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:58:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA AND SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
PLACE YOUR VOTES AND RECORD.
10:58:36AM >>CLERK:
CLERK MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:58:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU EVERYONE IN CHAMBERS FOR YOUR
PATIENCE ITEM NUMBER 4, FILE NUMBER PW 23-80 254.
10:58:58AM >> ERIC WEISS, WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT.
I'M HERE TO TALK WITH ITEM NUMBER 4 AND 5 ARE TOGETHER WITH
THE ONGOING IMPLEMENTATION OF OUR MASTER PLAN AT THE
HOWARD F. CURREN TREATMENT PLANT UNDER THE PIPES PROGRAM.
WHEN THEY WERE DEVELOPING THE PIPES PROGRAM, WE HAD AN
INDEPENDENT ENGINEERING CONSULTANT LOOK AT MANY THINGS IN
OUR TREATMENT PLAN.
ONE OF THEM LOOK AT FUTURE REGULATIONS.
SHOULD WE BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT, COULD WE.
LOOK AT FLOWS.
A LOT MORE PEOPLE COMING TO TAMPA.
DO WE HAVE TO BUILD IN MORE CAPACITY TO THE TREATMENT PLANT.
LOOKING AT TECHNOLOGY.
NEW TECHNOLOGY OF A PLANT WITH A GOOD HIS CASE HOW WE TREAT
WATER, AND FINALLY A DETAILED ASSESSMENT OF THE PLAN FOR THE
CONTINUE OF IT.
WHEN THAT WAS ALL SAID AND DONE, THE FINDING OF THE MASTER
PLAN WERE, WE HAVE PLENTY OF CAPACITY OVER THIS 20-YEAR
WINDOW.
NO REAL CHANGES TO OUR TREATMENT PROCESS BECAUSE THERE WAS
NO BUSINESS CASE TO DO THAT.
THE REGULATIONS WERE WELL POISED FOR SOME OF THE ONES THAT
WE KNOW MAY BE COMING THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE
THOSE, BUT THE BIG THING WAS, OUR TREATMENT PLANT THAT WAS
CONSTRUCTED IN THE 1950s.
EXPANDED IN THE 1970s IS VERY OLD AND MUCH OF THE PUMPS,
PIPES AND CONCRETE ARE BEYOND ITS IT USEFUL LIFE.
WHAT THE MASTER PLAN DID LOOK AT A 20-YEAR WINDOW OF A
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
THEY DID THAT AND $577 MILLION OVER THE 20-YEAR PERIOD.
SO TO TRY TO TACKLE THAT, WE BROKE IT UP INTO PHASES.
AND WE AWARDED A DESIGN-BUILD CONTRACT FOR PHASE ONE TO A
DESIGN BUILDER TAKE THE FIRST SIX YEARS $240 MILLION.
TO DATE, COUNCIL AND THE CITY APPROVED $54 MILLION OF THAT
INITIAL PHASE ONE AND MOSTLY DESIGNED, PERMITTING, PLANNING.
WE HAVE AWARDED ONE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT ALREADY A GMP THAT
IS JUST ABOUT DONE AND THE FACILITY SHOULD BE COMING ON LINE
AND THIS WAS A SLUDGE DEWATERING BUILDING AND TREAT OUR
SLUDGE SHIFT FOR LAND FOR OSCEOLA AND POLK COUNTY.
THE ISSUE IS ONLY 5% SOLID.
DON'T WANT TOP GET INTO TOO MUCH ENGINEERING BUT 90% WATER.
AND A THREE CONTINUE STORY CENTRIFUGE WHERE THE SLUDGE GOES
IN, SPIN FASTEST FAST AND INCREASING PERCENTAGE OF SOLIDS
FROM FIVE TO 23.
THE REASON IT IS IMPORTANT, WE PAY BY THE TON TO TRUCK IT
INTO HAD OSCEOLA AND POLK COUNTY.
IF WE CAN GET AS MUCH WATER OUT OF IT, WE WILL PAY LESS FOR
THAT PROCESS.
AGAIN THAT WILL BE ON LINE IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.
AND THAT INITIAL GMP INCLUDED SUSTAINABILITY ISSUE.
WE HAVE A STAND-BY GENERATOR FACILITY IS THE PLANT IN CASE
WE LOSE POWER.
THE BIG THING ABOUT THAT IS WE IT ONLY HAD ONE DAY OF
STANDBY FUEL.
IF A HURRICANE WAS TO COME, THAT WILL BE SHORT ORDER TO GET
ALL THAT DIESEL THAT WE NEED THIS PROJECTS THAT 60,000
GALLONS OF DIESEL FUEL TO RUN THE PLANT AT HOWARD CURREN UP
TO FIVE DAYS.
TALK ABOUT ITEM FOUR AND FIVE.
FIVE IS A $77 MILLION GMP.
WE CALL IN NUMBER TWO.
WHAT THAT IS IS AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, THERE ARE
THREE MAIN TREATMENT PROCESS: PRIMARY TREATMENT, SECONDARY
TREATMENT AND ADVANCED.
THE MIDDLE ONE, SECONDARY TREATMENT, REMOVING THE ORGANICS
FROM THE WASTEWATER, ALSO KNOWN AS CARBON.
THE BACKBONE OF THE TREATMENT PLANT AND THAT $77 MILLION
WILL COMPLETELY REHAB THAT WHOLE PROCESS.
A GOOD THING ABOUT THAT IS, WHEN THIS WAS BUILT IN THE
1970s, THE PUMPS THAT HAVE TO PUMP MAY BE OVER 200 MILLION
OF GALLONS A DAY IN WET WEATHER WERE ALL CONSTRUCTED IN A
BASEMENT UNDERGROUND.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
WE ARE SUSCEPTIBLE TO SEA LEVEL RISE AND IF A HURRICANE
COMES AND FLOODING THAT.
IF THAT EVER HAPPENED, IT WOULD TAKE OVERTAKE WASTEWATER
FLOWS FOR A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME BEFORE WE BRING IN
NEW PUMPS TO REPLACE THOSE.
WHAT DOES THIS 77 MILLION DO, RAISES IN THE BASEMENT ABOVE
13 FEET MINIMUM IN A NEW BUILDING.
ANOTHER THING ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS EVO PARTICIPATION.
WE GOT 21% PARTICIPATION.
11% OF THAT IS BLACK BUSINESS.
10% SBOE.
WITH THAT I CAN GO ON TO NUMBER FOUR WHICH IS RELATED TO
THIS NUMBER FOUR IS JUST ADDITIONAL DESIGN WORK.
AGAIN, WE HAVE A LOT OF ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT THAT WAS BUILT
IN 1970s AT VARIOUS PLACES THROUGHOUT THE TREATMENT PLANT
AND THEY ARE ALL BEYOND THEIR SERVICE LIGHT.
WILL BE RAISED -- REPLACING THAT AND REPLACING IT ABOVE 13%.
ONE MORE THING ABOUT THAT IS, IT HAS CONTINGENCY IN THERE AS
PART OF THE $6.9 MILLION.
WE ARE EXPERIENCING EXTREMELY LARGE WAIT TIMES FOR
EQUIPMENT, ESPECIALLY LARGE EQUIPMENT WITH ELECTRICAL GEAR
AND PUMPS, 50 MILLION A GALLON PUMPS.
WHAT WE ARE DOING WHEN THE DESIGN IS HALFWAY DONE AND WE
ZERO IN ON WHAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT WE ARE GOING TO DO, THE
CONTRACTOR IS THEN GOING TO GO OUT, DO A SUBCONTRACTING AND
WE CAN BUY THAT EQUIPMENT BECAUSE IT IS TAKING OVER TWO
YEARS TO GET SIMPLE ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT.
THAT WILL SAVE US MONEY BECAUSE AS SOON AS THE NOTICE TO
PROCEED IS AWARDED, WE WILL GET THAT CONTRACTOR GOING
QUICKLY.
ANOTHER GOOD POINT ABOUT THAT ONE IS THE EBO PARTICIPATION
ON ITEM NUMBER 4 IS 42%.
40% OF THAT IS BLACK BUSINESS.
32% IS OTHER.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER.
11:05:19AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO KNOW WHO CAN PROGRAM YOU AND
SPEAK SO WELL WITH ONE FACTS AND WENT BACK TO THE 70s FOR 50
YEARS AGO.
I BELIEVE THAT MAYOR GRECO WAS IN OFFICE THROUGH '74.
HE SAID NO, WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO AND EXPAND THE PLANT.
I WOULD IMAGINE YOU HAVE CAPACITY OF OVER 30 MILLION OR SO
GALLONS?
11:05:40AM >> YEAH, SO WE ARE PERMITTED BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA TO
DISCHARGE, ON AVERAGE, 96 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
THE LAST 30 YEARS 60.
WHERE DOES THAT COME FROM?
TWO POINTS.
TRACE OF INFLOW AND GROUND WATER AND STORMWATER COMING IN
THE WASTEWATER PLANTS THAT GO TO THE PLANT AND WE HAVE TO
TREAT IT.
THE OTHER THING IS WATER IS A COMMODITY NOW.
THE USAGE PER PERSON PER DAY IS PLUMMETED MEANING THAT
PEOPLE ARE USING LESS WATER.
LESS OF IT WILL COME INTO THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM.
11:06:18AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FOR ONE, I AM VERY APPRECIATIVE OF
EVERYTHING YOU HAVE CONTINUE TO FROM BRINGING NOW THE
UNDERGROUND EQUIPMENT THAT YOU HAVE, THE ELECTRICAL AND
OTHER STUFF.
TAMPA GENERAL HAS DONE THAT SOME YEARS BACK AND GOES UP TO
THE THIRD FLOOR, I BELIEVE.
DOING THE SAME THING.
KUDOS OF YOU AND YOUR OPERATION.
HOW MANY ADVANCE TREATMENT PLANTS IN THE AREA?
11:06:39AM >> ONLY ONE OTHER ONE IN ST. PETE.
WHAT OTHER ST. PETE AND PINELLAS COUNTY STOP AT THE
TREATMENT PLANT.
NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT BUT THEY THEN DISPOSE OF IT IN OTHER
WAYS THROUGH INJECTION AND RECLAIMED SYSTEM.
TAMPA IN THE 1970s SAY ADVANCE TREATMENT REMOVAL OF NITROGEN
BEFORE IT GETS DISCHARGED IN THE BAY.
11:07:04AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF US AND
THE PUBLIC OF COURSE, YOU HAVE SAVING THE ENVIRONMENT AND
MONEY AND EVERYTHING 50 YEARS OLD NEEDS A TUNE-UP ONE IN A
WHILE.
I HAD FOUR OF THEM.
ONLY A JOKE.
11:07:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:07:22AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TOP ECHO.
YOU DID IT ALL BY MEMORY WITHOUT SLIDES, AND TO -- MR.
BENNETT, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT SUMMARIES AND TRANSPARENCY
AND I THINK THAT FORMAT EXACTLY GETS IT.
IT HAS ALL THE KEY INFORMATION PREVENTED ME FROM ASKING THE
QUESTIONS I REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO ASK, BUT THAT THE PUBLIC
AND MEDIA.
$520 MILLION OVER THE --
11:07:56AM >> $577 MILLION OVER THE 20 YEARS.
WE NEED TO BREAK THAT DOWN.
WE CAN'T DO THAT ALL AT ONCE.
WE TOOK THE FIRST SIX YEARS, ABOUT $254 MILLION.
11:08:08AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE OF THE IMPORTANT NUMBERS.
I WANT TO KNOW THE CONTEXT.
THAT IS ONE OF THE REQUEST HE IS THEY ASK.
THAT WAS EXCELLENT.
TWO OTHER QUESTIONS RELATED TO IT.
NUMBER ONE, ANY DESIGN OR ENGINEERING CONNECTED TO PURE OR
TO CONVERT THIS WATER TO POTABLE USE?
11:08:24AM >> NO, IT IS REALLY JUST REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING FACILITIES.
I SAID WE WENT THROUGH THE MASTER PLAN.
WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS, WITH OUR CONSULTANT, EVERYTHING IS
JUST OLD.
NOT ADDING ANY CAPACITY OR CHANGING ANYTHING IN THE
WASTEWATER TREATMENT PROCESS.
11:08:45AM >>BILL CARLSON:
FROM THE PLAN, WITH THE RATES GOING UP,
PEOPLE UNDERSTAND 50 OR 60 OR 100 YEARS OLD IT NEEDS TO BE
REPLACED.
SETTING EXPECT HOW MUCH IT WILL COST AT WHAT PACE AND SO WE
ARE NOT DOING ANY FRIVOLOUS.
CHIEF OF STAFF IS WORKING ON CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION.
A LOT CONCERNS OF OPEN-ENDED CONTRACTS, AT LEAST I WOULD
LIKE TO PREVENT A SITUATION LIKE WHAT HAPPENED IN THE HANNA
AVENUE CONTRACT WHERE THERE WAS AN OPEN-ENDED CONSIDERED
2015 THAT SOMEHOW WAS JUSTIFIED TO BE A $220 MILLION
CONTRACT, AND ALSO, THERE ARE -- THERE ARE SUGGESTIONS FROM
THE COMMUNITY THAT ON 1078 PROGRAMS, MULTIPLE LEVELS OF
BUREAUCRACY AND CONSULTANTS.
ON PIPES, FOLKS SAID FIVE TO SIX DIFFERENT LEVELS OF PEOPLE
MAKING MONEY ON A PROJECT INSTEAD OF GOING STRAIGHT TO A
SUBCONTRACTOR.
ANYTHING LIKE THAT ON THIS?
IF WE ARE APPROVING SOMETHING.
I KNOW WE WILL APPROVE IT IN TWO WEEKS, BUT ANYTHING HERE
THAT WOULD ALLOW AN OPEN-ENDED CONTRACT THAT SOMEBODY CAN
TAKE WHATEVER -- $77 MILLION AND TURN INTO $330 MILLION
WITHOUT OUR APPROVAL?
11:10:00AM >> NO.
WE DID THE SOLICITATION FOR THE DESIGN BUILDER.
THERE IS A DESIGN CRITERIA PACKAGE AND WE LAID OUT EXACTLY
WHAT THOSE SIX YEARS OF PROJECTS WILL BE AND THE THEREAFTER
AMOUNT, AND OUR INTENTION WILL BE WHEN WE HIT THAT 254
MILLION SOLICIT FOR A DESIGN BUILDER AND MAKE PRESENTATIONS.
DONE WITH THAT FIRST CHUNKS.
11:10:28AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WITH HANNA AVENUE MORE CHANGE ORDERS.
THE CONTRACT MORE OPEN-ENDED THAT THE CITY CAN SAY WE
DECIDED TO ADD SUCH AND SUCH BECAUSE IT WAS ANTICIPATED.
THE HANNA AVENUE THE CNA ANALYSIS THAT MY ATTORNEY SAY IS
NOT VALID, BUT ANYWAY, THE -- IF IT HAS A WORD IN IT THAT
ANTICIPATES POTABLE WATER USE, FOR EXAMPLE.
COULD THE CITY MAKE A CHANGE ORDER AND SAY, WELL, NOW WE ARE
PUSHING PURE SO WE ARE GOING TO APPROVE AN EXTRA $200
MILLION TO TREAT IT FOR POTABLE USE OR TIGHT THEY CAN'T GO
BEYOND THAT?
11:11:07AM >> IT IS REALLY TIGHT AND WE ARE LOOKING AHEAD WHAT PHASE
TWO WILL BE.
WE MAY NOT DO A DESIGN-BUILD AND MAY GO TO A DESIGN BID BILL
BECAUSE THE DOLLARS ARE LESS.
THE REMAINING FUNDS OF THE $250 MILLION WILL BE LEFT.
MAY BE SUITABLE TO DO THAT IN A DIFFERENT PROJECT DELIVERY
METHOD LIKE TRADITIONAL DESIGN BID BUILD.
THAT IS WHAT WE ARE AS THE PROJECT PRO CONGRESSES.
NO CONCERN OF ENDED CONTRACTS.
THEY ARE WORRY OF MULTIPLE LEVELS OF BUREAUCRACY AND WORRIED
ABOUT GOVERNMENT WASTE.
MR. BENNETT AND MISS DUNCAN, WITH I THINK THE PRESENTATION
AND THE ANSWERS HE GAVE GIVES ME CONFIDENCE HE IS ON TOP OF
THE NUMBERS AND OUR DEPARTMENT IS ON TOP OF THE NUMBERS YOU
SEEM TO BE ON TOP OF TAX DOLLARS WHICH ARE IMPORTANT THESE
DAYS IF WE ARE GOING TO RECESSION.
FOLKS ARE COUNTING EVERY PENNY AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
USING IT WISELY.
THANKS FOR THE QUICK AND THOROUGH PRESENTATION.
11:12:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:12:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO ECHO MY COLLEAGUES' APPRECIATION OF
THE DIRECT EXPLANATION.
I HAVE BEEN OUT TO TOUR THE WASTEWATER FACILITY RECENTLY,
AND EVEN SO, IN OUR PRIOR CONVERSATION, BEFORE THIS MEETING,
JUST HAVING TO BE REMINDED, OH, YES, THIS WAS THAT.
THIS CAN BE VERY CONFUSING SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
CLARIFYING TO THE BEST OF WHY YOU ARE ABILITY.
MAKES VERY CLEAR SENSE AND EXPLAINS WHY WE NEED TO GET THIS
WORK DONE.
I APPRECIATE YOUR TEAM'S WONDERFUL EFFORT ON THIS.
11:12:54AM >> THANK YOU.
11:12:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:12:59AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THIS IS A STANDARD OF WHAT YOU DID
AND SOME INDIVIDUALS ARE VERY SMART AND HAVE A TOUGH TIME
MAKING A PRESENTATION.
YOU ARE NOT ONLY VERY SMART AND MAKE A GOOD TIME MAKING A
PRESENTATION.
IN MANY TIMES THE OFFICE HAVE CALLED NEW THE LAST FOUR YEARS
YOUR RESPONSE HAS BEEN IMMEDIATELY.
THANK YOU.
MAYBE A LOT -- MAYBE NOT IN THIS CITY, A LOT OF PEOPLE IN
GOVERNMENT YOU CALL THEM AND YOU NEVER HEAR FROM THEM.
11:13:25AM >> I THINK THAT IS INGRAINED IN THE WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT
BECAUSE WE PROVIDE A PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICE TO PROTECT OUR
HEALTH AND THE ENVIRONMENT AND NOT THAT CAN JUST WAIT.
11:13:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE THE MOTION.
11:13:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NUMBER 4, FILE NUMBER PW 23-80 254.
RESOLUTION MOVED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:13:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:13:55AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:13:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
11:13:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:14:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
11:14:03AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
11:14:04AM >>CLERK:
VIERA BE ABSENT AT VOTE.
11:14:07AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MOVED ITEM 5 TO APRIL 5.
11:14:20AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6, FILE NUMBER PW
23-80279.
11:14:33AM >>VIK BHIDE:
GOOD MORNING, CHAIR AND COUNCIL.
VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY ON BEHALF OF BRAG TO ADDRESS
ITEM NUMBER 6.
ITEM NUMBER 6 IS A $3.8 MILLION CONTRACT AWARD.
SHOULD BE IT BE APPROVED TO C.W. ROBERTS CONTRACTING FOR
FULL RECLAMATION OF ROADWAYS.
FULL DEPTH RECLAMATION, IN ESSENCE, IS RE-ESTABLISHING THE
BASE OF ROADWAYS THAT IS NECESSARY TYPICALLY EVERY 30 YEARS,
BUT IF ROADWAYS ARE NOT MAINTAINED AND KEPT UP TO SPEED,
THEN THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN A LITTLE MORE FREQUENTLY I AM
HAPPY TO ADDRESS OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
11:15:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BHIDE?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK?
11:15:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY UNDERSTANDING THIS IS GOING MAINLY TOWARD
NEW TAMPA AND THE TAMPA PALMS AREA, IS THIS CORRECT?
11:15:37AM >>VIK BHIDE:
SO THIS CONTRACT IS CITYWIDE.
THE FIRST PROJECT IS FOR TAMPA PALMS BOULEVARD.
AND THAT WAS -- THAT PROJECT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL AS PART
OF THE 2020 BUDGET.
11:15:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY, THANK YOU.
11:15:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
11:15:54AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
11:15:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
FILE NUMBER PW 23-80279.
A MOTION TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:16:07AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:16:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
11:16:11AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:16:12AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
11:16:13AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:16:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:16:15AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
11:16:16AM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:16:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7, FILE NUMBER CM
23-79470.
11:16:27AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
GOOD MORNING, CITY AND COUNCILMEMBERS.
JEAN DUNCAN.
I'M HERE TODAY WITH JEFF NELSON, PRESIDENT OF NELSON
CONSTRUCTION COMPANY TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE PROJECT IN
SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
THERE IS A PARTICULAR INTEREST IN TWO OF THE STREETS THAT
HAD WORK GOING ON.
CREST AND CARACAS.
I CAN SAY -- I HOPE I AM NOT STEALING YOUR THUNDER.
WE HAD A PUBLIC MEETING SEVERAL WEEKS AGO.
VERY WELL ATTENDED.
I SPECIFICALLY FEEL THAT A LOT OF THE CONCERNS HAVE BEEN
HEARD AND IN THE WORKS OR ADDRESSED BY THE TEAM.
I WILL LET MR. NELSON GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION AND ANY
QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, WE WILL ANSWER THEM FOR YOU TODAY.
THANK YOU.
11:17:12AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:17:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GOOD MORNING.
11:17:15AM >> WE WILL START WITH THE SOUTHWEST SECTIONS, THAT IS WHERE
WE FIRST STARTED THE JOB.
THE RIVERSIDE PARK.
GENERALLY SPEAKING I KNOW THE OUR PLAN WAS TO BE DONE AND
GONE OUT OF THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT BY MAY WHICH IS TWO
MONTHS AHEAD OF OUR ORIGINAL SCHEDULE.
WE ARE STILL TRACKING ON THAT.
KNOCK ON WOOD, MAYBE A LITTLE BEFORE THAT.
WITH THE DETAILS.
THE RIVERSIDE PARK, THE SIDEWALK AND CURBS SHOULD BE
FINISHED THIS WEEK.
WE ARE PAINTING THE GIANT STRUCTURE OUT THERE THAT SHOULD BE
FINISHED UP EARLY NEXT WEEK.
THE HANDRAILS AND SHOULD ARRIVE BY NEXT FRIDAY, THE 24th.
MULEY GRASS WHICH IS A PURPLY.
NOT MY EXPERTISE, BUT A GOOD-LOOKING GRASS AND ADD TREES
THAT WE WILL PLANT ON THE 31st, GOING TO CREST.
A PAVER -- HE HAD MECHANICAL DIFFICULTIES AND DECIDED NOT
TOO AND BEGGED OFF OF THAT.
ON CRESS, WE ARE CURRENTLY RESTORING THE 100 AND 200 BLOCKS.
SHOULD BE DONE WITH THE RESTORATION BY THE END OF THE.
MAKE AN EXCEPTION FOR CREST GET THAT PAVED AT THE END OF THE
MONTH WITH THE EXCEPTION OF HIGHLAND.
PAINT UP TO HIGHLAND.
BOTH SIDES OF CREST.
THE CHALLENGE WITH HIGHLAND, ONE STRUCTURE ON THE NORTHWEST
CORNER THAT THE ENGINEERS CAN'T SEEM TO AGREE WHAT THEY WANT
US TO BUILD THERE.
WE ARE WAIT FOR SOMEBODY -- THE CONTRACTOR, TELL US WHAT TO
BUILD.
WE WILL BUILD ANYTHING YOU WANT TO AND WAITING ON AN ANSWER
WHAT TO BUILD THERE AND WE WILL PAVE THAT INTERSECTION AND
PAVE IT AND GET OUT OF THERE.
ON FLORIDA, ONE OF THE COMMENTS BROUGHT UP AT THE MEETING
BECAUSE THIS -- THIS HAS TAKEN A LOT LONGER FROM THE D.O.T.
LONGER THAN WE EXPECTED, SOME OF THE ASPHALT MANHOLES WOULD
HAVE SEDIMENT AND WE TESTED A COUPLE OF DAYS AFTER THAT
MEETING AND WE FIXED THAT.
THE GOOD TO GOOD NEWS, NEWS FROM THE D.O.T. APPROVED THE
IDEA OF WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO WITH SOME OF THE SIDEWALKS
AND INLET'S.
THEY ASKED FOR MORE INFORMATION.
WE WILL PROVIDE THAT TO THEM AND OUR EXPECTATION TO HAVE AN
ANSWER TO START THE WORK THE FIRST WEEK OF APRIL.
FRIARSON, WE ARE TURNING IN THE WATER MAIN CLEARANCES.
FRIARSON IS RIGHT HERE.
TURNING IN THE WATER MAIN CLEARANCES FOR DEP APPROVAL THIS
WEEK.
THAT CAN TAKE UP TO 30 DAYS IN SOME CASES.
IT IS OUT YOU HAVE OUR HANDS.
A HEALTH DEPARTMENT ISSUE.
WE HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO GET THEM TO TURN AROUND
QUICKER.
OUR EXPECTATION WE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT ON THIS JOB.
OUR HOPE IS TO HAVE CURB IN ASPHALT ON FRIARSON BY THE END
OF APRIL.
OUT THERE AND EVERYTHING CLEANED UP IN ANTICIPATION FOR THE
FINAL PAVING IN MAY.
ON CENTRAL, WE HAVE GOT THE FIRST ASPHALT AND PAVERS 9
BEGINNING OF MARCH.
WE ARE FINISHING DRIVEWAY APRON THIS WEEK AND THEN READY FOR
CARACAS.
THE PIPE REPAIRS WE EXPECT TO BE COMPLETED WITH THE PIPE
REPAIRS COMING OFF OF CARACAS AND DOWN CENTRAL BY THE END OF
MARCH.
MAYBE A LITTLE -- LITTLE EARLIER THAN WE THOUGHT.
THINGS ARE GOING WELL.
WE GOT GOOD WEATHER.
COOPERATION.
KNOCK ON WOOD.
WE ARE DOING OKAY.
HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF MARCH.
WE ARE STARTING TO BUILD THE ROAD FROM THE INTERSTATE OUT.
WE HAVE ACCESS TO AN ALLEY.
PUTTING ROAD DOWN.
ONCE THE PIPE WORK IS COMPLETE, EXPECT TO PUT THE CURB AND
ASPHALT AND GET THAT INSTALLED IN APRIL AND ONCE THAT IS
BELT, PAVE THE ENTIRE SOUTHWEST -- YEAH, SOUTHWEST QUADRANT.
THE SOUTHEAST SECTION OVER HERE, CARACAS TO TALIAFERRO, THE
GENTLEMAN -- I THOUGHT WE PASSED OUT WORK TO GO THERE IN
DECEMBER AND I THOUGHT WE STARTED THAT ROADWORK IN JANUARY
BUT THE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED SHOWED FIVE MONTHS OF WORK.
I THINK WE ARE THREE NOW AND EXPECT BE PAVED BY THE END OF
THIS MONTH FROM THE INTERSTATE OUT TOWARD NEBRASKA WHERE WE
WILL BE WORKING.
THAT SHOULD BE OUT THERE.
WHEN WE DO HAND OUT THESE FLYERS.
A LITTLE CONFUSED AND DO HOMEWORK TO FIGURE OUT WHAT
HAPPENED.
WE PUT DOOR HANGERS.
WALK EVERY STREET.
DOOR HANGERS AND KNOCK TRY IT MEET PEOPLE.
DOOR HANGERS WITH NUMBERS AND WEB SITES.
DO DAILY UPDATES ON OUR WEB SITE.
AND WE MET THE MAN EARLIER AT HIS HOUSE TWO LOCATIONS.
THREE WEEKS WHEN HE THOUGHT WE KNOCKED POWER -- BUT IT
TURNED OUT THE POWER WAS FROM THE BACK SIDE AND IT WAS
NOTHING TO DO WITH US.
HE KNOWS OUR STAFF.
SURPRISED TO SEE HIM BUT HE HAS WILL'S PHONE NUMBER.
WE WILL REACH OUT TO HIM AND SEE WHAT HIS OTHER CONCERNS
ARE.
NEBRASKA IS THE NEXT BIG INTERSECTION WE HAVE GOT TO DO.
WE ARE SCHEDULED TO START THAT WORK ON APRIL 10.
WE THINK WE WILL BE THERE IN SIX WEEKS.
DOT SAYS AT LEAST EIGHT BECAUSE IT IS A LOT MORE COMPLICATED
THAN YOU THINK.
WE HOPEFULLY WILL BE OUT OF THERE IN SIX WEEKS AND PUT MORE
GUYS IN THERE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO INCONVENIENCE.
AND EAST OF CARACAS, WE EXPECT THAT LATE MAY ONCE WE GET
DONE WITH THE INTERSECTION ON NEBRASKA.
MOVING TO THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT, THE CITY -- THERE WAS SOME
DISCUSSION ABOUT REBUILDING THE ROADWAY IN SOME
NEIGHBORHOODS FROM CURB-TO-CURB, WHERE OUR ASSIGNMENT PIPES.
IF THEY ARE NOT 20 FEET DEEP.
WATER LINE, THREE FOOT TPD AND PATCH AT THE TOP OF THE ROAD.
RESIDENTS THAT WERE TRYING TO LOBBY THE CITY TO DO THAT CURB
TO CURB.
THE DECISION WAS MADE TO, NO, REPLACE THE ASPHALT PATCH.
WE RESCHEDULED OUR PAVERS AND EXPECT TOO PAVE IT BY THE END
OF MARCH.
WITH RESPECT TO THE NORTHWEST SECTION, CHEROKEE, WE WERE
ABLE TO PUT THE PAVERS IN BEGINNING OF THE MONTH.
AND THE SOUTH HALF WILL BE PAVED BY THE END OF THIS MONTH.
WE ARE WRAPPING UP A BUNCH OF STUFF IN THE NEXT TWO TO THREE
WEEKS, A LOT OF STUFF WILL, WRAPPED UP.
AND THE NEXT BIG AREA IS NORTH OF HILLSBOROUGH.
STARTED THAT WORK MARCH 6.
INSTALLING THE BOX CULVERT IN COMANCHE AND THE WATER MAIN
WORK ON HENRY SO THE HENRY MAIN INTERSECTION WILL BE READY
AND LAY A BIG BOX OVER IT WITHOUT ANY INTERRUPTION.
STARTING WATER MINUTE HILLSBOROUGH IN FRONT OF STARBUCKS IN
THE NEXT TWO WEEKS AND DO THAT WORK AT NIGHT TO MINIMIZE THE
IMPACT TO THE TRAVELING PUBLIC.
AND THAT IS THE STATUS OF OUR WORK.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WILL TAKE THEM.
11:24:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:24:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL -- I WILL START WITH F. D.O.T.
YOU SAID THEY APPROVED THAT FOR FLORIDA AVENUE AND THEY
REQUESTED TOMORROW EXTRA INFORMATION.
AND YOU SAID -- I DIDN'T HEAR -- I WASN'T CLEAR.
YOU DID PROVIDE THAT AND NOW YOU ARE WAITING FOR THEIR
RESPONSE?
11:24:36AM >> YES.
11:24:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST DOUBLE CHECKING.
WHAT DO YOU EXPECT THEIR RESPONSE TIME TO BE FOR THAT?
I MEAN -- IF IT IS NOT A REALLY GIANT --
11:24:47AM >> THEY UNDERSTAND THE NEED AND THE HEAT WE ARE ALL FEELING.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR D.O.T.
I WISH I COULD.
11:24:57AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
WE HAVE MADE AWARE OF THE SUBMITTAL AND TO
REACH OUT TO THE DEPARTMENT AND ASK FOR ACCELERATED REVIEW
TIME ON THAT.
11:25:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GREAT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I HAVE HAD -- ACTUALLY MISS DUNCAN, WHILE YOU ARE UP HERE, I
HAVE HAD QUITE A FEW CONCERNS.
AND EVEN THE GENTLEMAN WHO WAS HERE EARLIER WAS COMPLAINING
ABOUT THE FACT ABOUT TRASH PICKUP.
BEING TOLD THAT STREET, CARACAS, THAT THEY HAVE TO CALL
EVERY TIME THEY WANT THEIR TRASH PICKED UP WHERE WE SHOULD
COME UP -- WE SHOULD HAVE A BETTER SOLUTION SO MR. MARLOWE
AND ALL THE RESIDENTS ON CARACAS CAN HAVE THEIR TRASH PECKED
UP.
I WAS WONDERING IF YOU REACH OUT TO HIM.
11:25:42AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
WE WILL SEE WHAT COORDINATIONS HAVE
HAPPENED THUS FAR AND REACH OUT TO HIM DIRECTLY.
I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE HIS CONTACT INFORMATION.
11:25:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE IT AS WELL.
11:25:54AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
I WILL AT THAT YOU CAN TO HIM AND GET WITH
SOLID WASTE AND FOR THE WHOLE THING, HAVE A PLAN WHILE
CONSTRUCTION IS GOING OBJECT.
11:26:03AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I KNOW YOU DID A DOOR HANGER AND DOOR KNOCKER
AND KNOCKED.
MAY BE TIME TO GO BACK TO THAT STRETCH OF CARACAS AND KNOCK
AGAIN.
IF HE IS HAVING PROBLEM WITH DIRT IN HIS WATER LINE, OTHER
PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE HAD THAT ISSUE OR TRASH ISSUES.
THAT WAY WE CAN KIND OF CONNECT THE DOTS BETWEEN ALL OF THE
TRASH FOLKS AND ALL OF THESE -- JUST REACH OUT.
11:26:24AM >> I AM A LITTLE CONFUSED WITH THE STAND IN THE WATER LINE
BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO ANY WATER LINE WORK ANYWHERE NEAR THERE
AND TRAVELS FROM THE CITY PIPES FROM MILES AND MILES.
WE HAVE NOT DONE ANY WATER LINE WORK IN FRONT OF HIS HOUSE.
11:26:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GOOD TO KNOW.
GOOD TO KNOW.
MAYBE TAKE THIS TIME TO REACH OUT TO THOSE FOLKS MIDWAY
THROUGH THIS PARTICULAR TRANCHE AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY
CONCERNS.
WHAT WE LEARNED FROM THAT MEETING THAT THERE WAS A RESIDENT
WHO HAD A $600 WATER BILL BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE USING HIS
WATER.
AND I KNOW THAT IS BEING HANDLED RIGHT NOW AND WE ARE -- WE
ARE IN TOUCH WITH -- WITH THE CITIZEN AND THAT IS GOING
THROUGH THE PROCESS.
SO SOMETIMES IT IS NICE TO HAVE PEOPLE REACH OUT AND NOT
HAVING ANY MORE ISSUES.
AND THEN -- I KNOW YOU AND I TALKED OF THE NORTHWEST CORNER
OF HIGHLAND AND THE INFLOW THERE.
YOU SAID YOU WERE WAITING FOR FOLKS TO MAKE THAT
DETERMINATION.
WHO ARE THEY WAITING FOR THE CITY?
11:27:31AM >> THE DESIGN ENGINEERING AND THE CITY'S STORMWATER
DEPARTMENT.
THEY KEEP GOING BACK AND FORTH AND I AM A SPECTATOR IN THE
TENNIS GAME.
JUST WAITING FOR THEM TO FINALLY AGREE WHAT THEY WANT ME TO
BUILD.
I WILL DO WHAT THEY WANT.
THEY NEED TO TELL ME WHAT THAT IS.
11:27:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MISS DUNCAN.
11:27:49AM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
I DIDN'T REALIZE A DUE LOOP IF ANYONE
REMEMBERS WHAT THOSE ARE.
I WILL CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT AND GET WITH MR. NELSON ON THE
POINT OF CONSTANT HE IS WORKING WITH AND SEE IF I CAN
ACCELERATE THAT AS WELL.
11:28:03AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF HIGHLAND.
I KNOW A SIDEWALK ISSUE AND AN INLET ISSUE.
A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON.
I KNOW IF IT HAS YOUR ATTENTION, IT WILL SPEED THROUGH.
11:28:19AM >> APPLY WITH ADA AND TO HAVE CROSS SLOPE -- A BIGGER PUZZLE
FOR PEOPLE SMARTER THAN ME TO FIGURE IT OUT.
11:28:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO MAKE SURE IT
IS RIGHT.
HAVING THE SIDEWALKS ARE INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT WHILE GETTING
THE DRAINAGE DONE AND ALL THAT.
LAST I HEARD ABOUT WEST CREST AVENUE THEY WERE FINDING SOME
SETTLING ISSUES THAT THEY COULDN'T FINISH PAVING.
MR. STOCK HAD TALKED ABOUT SOME PIPES.
11:28:56AM >> BECAUSE OF THE UNSUITABLE MATERIALS, WE MOVED 15,000 YARD
OF CLAY, MUCK OR WHATEVER IT WAS.
I THINK WE RESOLVED IT.
11:29:07AM >> THAT IS FINISHED NOW.
11:29:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS THE AREA TO GET THE PAVEMENT.
11:29:12AM >> THE FINAL LIFT OF ASPHALT.
11:29:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHEN DO WE EXPECT THAT FINAL LIFT OF ASPHALT
11:29:17AM >> SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE VERY END OF MARCH AND BEGINNING OF
APRIL.
11:29:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
END OF THIS MONTH.
PERFECT.
AND THERE IS PEP ONE THING I HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD
LAST NIGHT ACTUALLY ABOUT THE -- THE CONCERN WITH THE
SANITARY CONFLICT.
THE STORM STRUCTURE AT THE COMANCHE INTERSECTION.
NORTH OF HILLSBOROUGH.
YES, POSSIBLY?
YOU ANSWERED THIS IN AN E-MAIL ALREADY.
11:29:47AM >> UP AT COMANCHE, WE HAD A DESIGN ISSUE THAT OCCURRED WITH
THE LOCATION OF THE STRUCTURE WITH A PIPE, WORKING WITH
ENGINEER WADE TRIM AND PRECAST MANUFACTURER TO GET THAT BOX
OVER TWO FEET AND WITH HE A DESIGN SOLUTION AND WILL BE
MOVING FORWARD WITH IT EARLY NEXT WEEK.
11:30:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU SAID FOLKS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE OUT
YESTERDAY TO TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE LOOKING AT GETTING A WHOLE NEW
STRUCTURE.
11:30:15AM >> MOOED PHI EXISTING STRUCTURE, SHIFT IT TWO FEET AND MOVE
FORWARD WITH THE WORK.
11:30:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EXCELLENT.
EVERYONE WAS CONCERNED OH, NO, WAITING MONTHS FOR A NEW -- A
-- A PIECE TO BE BUILT.
SO THANK YOU.
WE APPRECIATE THAT.
AND LIKE I SAID, I HAVE HEARD FROM FOLKS WHO HAVE TALKED TO
AUDREY IS THE NEW COMMUNICATIONS PERSON THAT THEY HAVE HAD
GOOD EXPERIENCES WITH HER.
SO I WANTED TO -- TO SEND THAT FEEDBACK.
11:30:53AM >> FANTASTIC.
11:30:55AM >> APPRECIATE IT.
WE SWITCHED PR FIRMS A MONTH AGO AND HOPEFULLY THINGS ARE
MOVING FATHER THAN THEY HAVE BEEN.
11:31:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEY ARE APPRECIATIVE OF HER AND THAT SO FAR
THE RESPONSES HAVE BEEN SATISFACTORY.
WE STILL HAVE A WAYS TO GO WITH SOME OF THAT, BUT APPRECIATE
HER ATTENTION AND YOUR ATTENTION.
SO THANK YOU.
11:31:17AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:31:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU
ASKED ALMOST EVERYTHING I WAS GOING TO ASK AND GET UPDATES
ON.
I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AND GIVING ANOTHER UPDATE.
GLAD TO HEAR THAT CARACAS WILL BE END OF MONTH WILL BE PAVED
-- YOU SAID END OF MONTH, CARACAS.
EAST CARACAS.
TOWARD TALIFERRO.
THE GENTLEMAN HERE THIS MORNING.
WE HAVE A LOT OF COMPLAINTS OF MISSED TRASH PICKUP THAT WAS
ALREADY ADDRESSED.
BUT ADDRESSED CREST.
EARLY APRIL FOR ASPHALT THERE.
NEXT UP NEBRASKA, NEXT MAJOR EXCEPTION APRIL 10.
YOU MENTIONED STARBUCKS CENTRAL AND HILLSBOROUGH.
YOU WILL TRY TO DO WORK AT NIGHT TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT.
IS THAT CORRECT?
11:32:15AM >> THAT IS OUR PLAN.
CAN'T GET PEOPLE FROM GETTING THEIR COFFEE.
IN AND OUT OF THERE.
11:32:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, I DON'T WANT DUPLICATIVE SHE ASKED
EVERYTHING I WANTED TO ASK.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:32:28AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
11:32:30AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE
NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THEIR CONCERNS AND THANK MR. NELSON FOR
HEARING THEM AND WORKING TOGETHER TO RESOLVE THE PROBLEMS.
A LOT OF THINGS I HEARD HERE TODAY, YOU MAY BE THE ONE
RESPONSIBLE FOR, BUT YOU HAVE TO GO TO OUR SUBS AND
INDIVIDUALS IN GOVERNMENT THAT YOU HAVE NO CONTROL -- NO
CUSTOMER CONTROL OF; HOWEVER, YOU MADE A LOT OF STATEMENTS
TO FINISH BY MARCH.
ONLY TWO WEEKS LEFT.
11:32:55AM >> WORKING OUT FOR ME.
11:32:57AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I KNOW YOU GUYS, ONE HAS A LOT OF HAIR
AND THE OTHER DOESN'T.
I WILL HOLD YOU BOTH RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.
THAT'S HOW I AM.
STRAIGHTFORWARD.
THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO AND THANK YOU, COMPANY.
THANK YOU FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS' CONCERNS.
MUCH BETTER PLACE TO LIVE.
11:33:13AM >> IT WILL BE NICE.
THANK YOU.
11:33:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APOLOGIZE, TALKING OF TRASH.
A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE WAS THE TRASH COLLECTION.
THE OTHER COLLECTION OF TALIAFERRO.
THEY COMPLAINED OF TRASH IN YARDS AGAIN AND COME UP WITH A
SOLUTION OF -- LIKE BUCKETS AND ALL OF THAT.
SO MAYBE TO REVISIT THAT.
11:33:35AM >> WITH WE WILL ENFORCE THAT AND REVISIT.
11:33:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK A LOT OF THINGS CAN BE ADDRESS IF YOU
DO A QUICK DOOR KNOCK IN THE AREA TO RECONNECT WITH FOLKS.
IT WILL BE VERY HELPFUL.
11:33:48AM >> WE WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT.
11:33:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:33:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
THANK YOU.
11:33:55AM >> THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8.
11:34:03AM >> GOOD MORNING, DEPUTY CHIEF CALVIN JOHNSON, TAMPA POLICE
DEPARTMENT, ON BEHALF OF INTERIM CHIEF BERCAW.
HE COULDN'T BE HERE.
ON THE AGENDA THERE WAS A TALK OF A DISCUSSION ON THE MASTER
PLAN.
I THINK THE LAST TIME HE WAS HERE WITH THE PVA PRESIDENT,
BRANDON BARKLEY, THEY DISCUSSED A LOT OF THINGS WE DO IN OUR
OPERATION.
I WANT TO GO OVER SOME OF THE BULLET POINTS THAT YOU
RECEIVED.
THE OBJECTIVES THAT WE HAVE WHEN POLICING.
I WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN OUTLINE, BUT ALSO SOME SORT OF
INFORMATION WHAT WE DO ON A MONTHLY BASIS.
LAW ENFORCEMENT IS FLUID.
I DON'T WANT FOLKS TO THINK WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT A MASTER
PLAN THAT IT IS STATIC.
ON A DAILY BASIS, WE GET INFORMATION ON THE CRIME FIGHT THAT
GOES OUT TO OUR COMMANDERS THAT THEY HAVE TO REACT TO.
ON A WEEKLY BASIS, WE ARE HAVING MEETINGS INTERNALLY WITH
EACH COMMANDER AND SHIFT COMMANDERS.
ON TOP INVOLVING VIOLENT CRIME, THERE WAS A MEETING WITH THE
OUTSIDE STAKEHOLDERS, STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, ATF.
ALL THOSE THAT ARE PART OF KEEPING THE CITY SAFE.
ON A MONTHLY BASIS, WE HAVE A MEETING WITH ALL OUR
COMMANDERS AND GO OVER THE CRIME FIGHT.
WE GO OVER WHAT IS GOING ON IN EACH AREA OF THE CITY.
WE GO OVER WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH OUR RESOURCES.
WE GO OVER WHERE WE NEED TO MOVE OFFICERS AT TO BE EFFECTIVE
IN OUR CRIME FIGHT.
THAT IS ON A MONTHLY BASIS.
ALSO ON A MONTHLY BASIS, WE MEET WITH THE UNION.
WE FIND OUT WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE.
WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE IN THE BIG PICTURE OF
THINGS, WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE, TRYING TO KEEP THE CITY
SAFE AND OUR OFFICERS HEALTHY WHEN IT COMES TO HOW THEY
OPERATE EVERY DAY.
ONCE A YEAR WE HAVE A DEPLOYMENT MEETING.
THAT GOES BEYOND THAT.
BECAUSE THE DEPLOYMENT DISCUSSION TAKES ABOUT THREE MONTHS.
WE GO OVER EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE CRIME FIGHT.
WE CALL ALL THE COMMANDERS IN.
WE FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENS DURING EVERY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
WE FIND OUT THEIR NEEDS.
WE FIND OUT THEIR WANTS.
WE FIND OUT WHAT THEY WANT TO CHANGE WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO
THE CRIME FIGHTING.
AND THEIR MAN POWER AND THEIR OBJECTIVES.
WE FIND OUT WHAT THEY HEAR DURING THE NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH
MEETINGS EVERY MONTH CONSTITUENTS THAT WE SERVE EVERY DAY.
WE GATHER TOGETHER AS AN EXECUTIVE AND COMMAND STAFF.
WE REVIEW ALL THOSE THINGS FOR THAT DEPLOYMENT.
THE OFFICERS WE HAVE, THEY SHIFTED ONCE A YEAR BY THEIR
SENIORITY.
DIFFERENT DISTRICTS IN THE CITY.
WE MAKE SURE THAT AS A RESULT OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS WE PUT
THE MAN POWER WHERE THEY NEED TO BE ON A YEARLY BASIS.
THAT IS A CUMBERSOME PROCESS.
TAKES MONTHS AT TIME TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT TO KEEP
THE CITY SAFE.
WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE MASTER PLAN OR THE OPERATIONS
PLAN, WHENEVER THE BUDGET PROCESS COMES UP THAT GOES IN
FRONT OF YOU, SOMETHING ELSE WE PREPARE FOR ON TOP OF
EVERYTHING ELSE.
WE LOOK AT CHIEF BERCAW AND THE PBA PRESIDENT CAME A COUPLE
OF WEEKS AGO.
WE HAD A BIG CHANGEOVER.
WE HAD THE OFFICERS AND WHAT WAS SUGGESTED IN THE BUDGET THE
PREVIOUS YEAR REGARDING MAN POWER.
WE MADE THE ADJUSTMENTS.
THE ACTION OF THAT STARTED FEBRUARY 1.
COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AND COMMUNITY POLICING.
FINDING OUT WHAT WE DID FOR THE YEARLY BUDGET IS EFFECTIVE
AND WILL TAKE TIME.
AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS WE DO INTERNALLY
AND SOME OF THE NEEDS WE HAVE WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE
CRIME FIGHT, THE HEALTH OF OUR OFFICERS AND WHAT WE DO AS AN
ORGANIZATION IN ORDER TO STAY HEALTHY AND KEEP THE CITY
SAFE.
AND I THINK THE FIRST BULLET POINT THAT WE HAVE ENSURING THE
HEALTH, SAFETY OF OUR SWORN AND NONSWORN PERSONNEL.
A LOT GOES INTO THAT.
WE REVIEW POLICE VEHICLES, UNIFORMS, FIREARMS, OUR EV PERKS.
WE REVIEW THE EMOTIONAL WELFARE OF THE OFFICERS.
THE MENTAL, PHYSICAL AND FINANCIAL.
ALL THAT REVIEW PROCESS THAT HELPS US DETERMINE IF WE ARE
BEING EFFECTIVE.
THE SECOND BULLET POINT THAT WE HAVE CONTAINING, SUSTAINING
AND IMPROVE HAVING THE LOWEST CRIME RATE.
WE REALLY FOCUS ON THAT EVERY DAY AND FOR THE REPORT WE PUT
OUT FOR THE BUDGET PROCESS, WE LOOK AT OVERALL CRIME
NUMBERS.
VIOLENT CREAMS.
WHERE, HOW AND WHY AND IF WE ARE BEING EFFECTIVE IN USING
OUR PARTNERS TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY.
WE LOOK AT THE MAN POWER AND BASED ON WHERE THE VIOLENT
CRIME IS OCCURRING AND PROPERTY CRIME, DO WE HAVE A
RESOURCES THERE ON A DAILY BASIS.
THE THIRD BULLET POINT, SUSTAIN THE ACCREDITATION STANDARD
ALONG WITH OUR QUALITY ASSURANCE.
WE ARE UNDER AN ACCREDITATION.
THE COMMISSION ON FLORIDA LAW ENFORCEMENT ACCREDITATION,
THAT IS WHO WE ARE UNDER AND THEY COME AND INSPECT US, A
THOROUGH REVIEW.
THE NEXT ONE IS IN 2023.
THEY LOOKED THROUGH OUR S.O.P.s.
THEY LOOK THROUGH USE OF FORCE.
EVERYTHING WE DO AS AN ORGANIZATION AND MAKE SURE WE ARE
MEETING THEIR STANDARDS.
INTERNALLY, WE GOT PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS.
BODY-WORN CAMERAS, USE OF FORCE, ANY COMPLAINTS THAT WE
HAVE.
AND THAT IS DONE ON A MONTHLY BASIS AND THEY GIVE US
UPDATES.
WHEN IT COMES TO I THINK THE FOURTH BULLET POINT, DIVERSITY
OF RECRUITMENT.
HOW TO SELECT AND RETAIN THE BEST.
WE REVIEW THE MANPOWER.
OVERALL MANPOWER.
AND ASSURED OF THE DIVERSITY OF THE MANPOWER.
THE POSITION LOCATION.
WE HAVE PLAIN CLOTHES OFFICERS.
WE HAVE UNIFORMED OFFICERS.
WE HAVE DETECTIVES.
WE REVIEW IF THEY ARE ALL BEING EFFECTIVE IN THEIR ROLES OR
DO WE HAVE TO ADJUST THE NUMBERS BASED ON WHAT IS GOING ON
REAL TIME WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WE LOOK AT OUR FIELD TRAINING OFFICER PROGRAM.
WE HERE OFFICERS CONSTANTLY.
ARE THEY BEING TRAINED WELL?
DO WE HAVE ENOUGH FIELD TRAINING OFFICERS TO HANDLE HIRING
ALL THE NEW OFFICERS?
ALL THIS GOES INTO IT THE DISCUSSIONS THAT YOU GET WHEN THAT
BUDGET TIME COMES UP AND YOU HAVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S
EFFORTS WITHIN OUR ORGANIZATION WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO
INCREASING THE CAPACITY TO DEAL WITH THE MENTAL ILLNESS.
REVIEW THAT.
THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH UNIT.
WE GOT THEM A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
WE FIND OUT HOW EFFECTIVE THEY ARE.
THE CASELOAD.
WHO THEY ARE DEALING WITH AND THE OUTCOMES TO MAKE SURE
GETTING THEM IS BEING EFFECTIVE THE HOMELESS THAT WE DEAL
WITH WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WE REVIEW OUR EFFORTS EVEN WITH OUR OUTSIDE PARTNERS LIKE
THE SALVATION ARMY AND METROPOLITAN MINISTRIES.
WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO PREPAREDNESS AND CAPABILITIES WITH
SPECIAL EVENTS AND HAZARD ACTIVITIES.
WE GO THROUGH THAT CONSISTENCY.
WE LOOK AT CO-SPONSORED EVENTS, THE SPONSORED EVENTS, THE
NEIGHBORHOOD EVENTS WE HAVE AND THE MANPOWER WE USE AND
ADJUSTMENTS WE MAKE TO FULFILL THOSE NEEDS.
AT TIMES, IT IS VERY FLUID SOME COMMUNITIES HAVE EVERY OTHER
WEEK AND MONTH AND WE WANT POLICE AND PARKS AND REC TO BE
INVOLVED IN THAT.
ON TOP OF THE CRIME FIGHT WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE
ARE THERE BEING EFFECTIVE TO PREVENT CERTAIN THINGS FROM
OCCURRING.
WE HAD THAT HURRICANE PLAN EVERY YEAR.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT MAY OCCUR THAT IS AN EMERGENCY.
WE MEET AS A STAFF.
REVIEW WHAT HAPPENED IN PREVIOUS YEAR.
WHAT WE DEALT WITH THE PROS AND CONS AND IF WE ARE PREPARED
TO DEAL WITH THAT IN THE FUTURE.
WHEN IT COMES TO EXPANDING COMMUNITY POLICING, THAT IS VERY
IMPORTANT TO US. WE LOOK AT THE ROLE CALLS THAT WE HAVE.
FRONT PORCH ROLL CALLS AND NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE LOOKED AT THE MEETINGS WE HAD INVOLVING VIOLENT CREAM.
WE SEE WHAT WE WERE TOLD THERE AND IF WE ARE BEING EFFECTIVE
AND HOW WE RESPOND TO HOW WE RESPOND REGARDING THOSE
NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO IN SUMMARY, AS A DEPARTMENT, WE ARE WORKING ON FILLING
VACANCIES.
WE KNOW CHIEF BERCAW CAME UP WITH THE PBA AND BY MARCH 31,
HE SAID WE WILL BE DOWN 14 VACANCIES.
THAT WAS A BIG PUSH.
TAKES TIME TO TRAIN OFFICERS.
TAKES TIME TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE PREPARED TO BE ON THE
STREET.
WE HAVE A HOLDOVER CLASS THAT STARTS RIGHT NOW IN A COUPLE
OF WEEKS.
BUT UNTIL THEY GET THERE, EVERY EVENT WE HAVE IN THE
COMMUNITY, WE MAKE SURE THEY GO THERE SO PEOPLE SEE THEIR
NEW OFFICERS.
AND THAT WHAT WE PUT IN THEM AS A COMMAND STAFF AND AS A
COMMUNITY DETERMINES HOW THEY ARE GOING TO BE AS OFFICERS.
WE TRY TO OFFSET TRAINING IN PRESIDENT MILITARY.
THAT PLAY AS ROLE IN THAT DAY-TO-DAY ACTIVITY WITH THE
SQUADS.
IF THEY ARE SHORT.
IF SOMEBODY IS TAKING TIME OFF.
IF THEY ARE GOING FOR TRAINING.
MAY BE OVERHIRING AND THAT IS PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT
NEEDS TO BE HAVE.
THEN DOWN TO THE REGULAR DEPLOYMENT, WHETHER WE ARE BEING IF
HE CAN TESTIFY IN HOW WE HANDLE OUR MANPOWER.
WHETHER WE ARE BEING EFFECTIVE ON THE SPECIAL EVENTS THAT WE
HAVE.
GASPARILLA.
THOSE ARE BIG PARADES.
THEY TAKE TIME TO PREPARE FOR.
WE LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE, AND WE WORK WITH OUTSIDE AGENCIES
TO MAKE SURE WE ARE EFFECTIVE.
AND LASTLY, IT COMES DOWN TO THE TAMPA -- THE CITY OF TAMPA
IS ALWAYS GROWING.
THAT IS WHERE YOU CAN COME INTO PLAY AND THE CITY STAFF
COMES INTO PLAY.
WITH THE MANPOWER THAT WE HAVE BASED ON A NUMBER OF
RESIDENTS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THAT IS KIND OF FLUID.
EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE A GOOD STEWARD OF THE BUDGET,
INCLUDING US AND OUR COMMANDERS AND THE UNION.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE NUMBERS ARE RIGHT.
IF THAT IS GOING TO BE A DISCUSSION ON HOW MANY WE NEED AND
HOW MANY WE DON'T NEED.
WE HAVE TO GET IT RIGHT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
THAT IS ALL I HAVE.
THANK YOU.
11:45:40AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DO WE HAVE MEMBERS FROM THE PBA IN CHAMBERS?
11:45:46AM >> I TALKED TO OUR PRESIDENT YESTERDAY ON THE PHONE.
HE WASN'T GOING TO MAKE IT TODAY.
11:45:51AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:45:53AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MAYBE I AM CONFUSED.
CAPTAIN, NICE PRESENTATION.
YOU TRIED TO COVER SOME PACES, I MEAN -- BUT I THOUGHT WE
WERE ASKING FOR A MASTER PLAN.
I REALLY DON'T KNOW -- I DON'T KNOW -- LET ME FINISH.
I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT A THIS IS.
QUICK TALK WITH POLICE.
TRYING TO INCREASE THAT AND MENTAL HEALTH.
THIS COUNCIL DID THAT.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR WHAT I WAS
LOOKING FOR.
I THINK WE WERE EXPLICIT LOOKING AT CHIEF BERCAW.
LOOKING AT NUMBERS.
THE COMMUNITY ARE SAYING THEY ARE NOT SEEING ENOUGH POLICE.
I KNOW WE ARE TALKING OF A RATIO BUT THE CITY HAS GROWN FROM
LEAPS AND BOUNDS.
I GUESS I WAS HUNGRY FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE.
I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD "FLUFF."
BUT TO ME IT IS FLUFF.
GOOD INFORMATION TO TELL PEOPLE, BUT TO ME, NOT GETTING THE
NUTS AND BOLTS THAT THE COUNCIL WAS ASKING FOR.
JUST MY OPINION.
OTHER COUNCILMEN WILL CHIME IN HOW THEY FEEL.
TO ME I AM HOOKING FOR NUMBERS.
FRANKIE JONES AND PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITIES IN THE HIGH
CRIME AREA ARE SAYING I DON'T SEE POLICE.
I KNOW YOU -- THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CONCENTRATES ON BIG
FOUR.
YOU GUYS ARE DOING IT, THE BIG FOUR.
I GET THAT.
VIOLENT CRIMES ARE UP.
I GUESS FOR ME I WAS LOOKING AT HOW WE ARE COMBATING THAT
WITH LOOKING AT NEIGHBORHOODS, LOOKING AT D-1 HAS 267
OFFICERS AND D-3 MAY NEED 350.
THE BALANCE OF HOW THE CITY IS GOING AND WHERE OUR MOST
VIOLENT CRIMES ARE, WHERE OUR BIG FOURS ARE HAPPENING AT TO
SAY, OKAY, YOU MAY NOT NEED THAT NUMBER OF OFFICERS BUT THE
CITY IS GROWING.
BUT THIS SECTION OF TOWN IS GROWING.
A NEED FOR ANOTHER DISTRICT MAYBE TO BE -- IT MAY NEED TO
BE.
THE SHERIFF FIVE OR SIX DISTRICT.
THE CITY GROWN THAT WE NEED A FOURTH DISTRICT TO COUNTER
WITH POLICE TO SAY WE HAVE LITTLE MORE CONTROL IN A CERTAIN
AREA.
EAST TAMPA A DISTRICT OF ITS OWN AND SOME OUTER AREAS BE
ANOTHER DISTRICT.
THAT IS WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR HOW TO DO POLICING GOING
FORWARD.
I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE THINGS YOU HAVE HERE.
IT IS NICE.
BUT FOR ME GIVING YOU SURFACE STUFF.
NOT A DETAILED PLAN AND MOVE FORWARD TO STAY SAY WE HAVE
ISSUES IN CERTAIN AREAS HIGH CRIME AREAS.
11:48:18AM >> I WANT TO PUSH BACK WITH THAT, BECAUSE WHEN CHIEF BERCAW
WITH THE PBA.
HE SAID TO GET THAT INFORMATION, HE CAN TAKE TIME.
I THINK HE MENTIONED THAT HE COULD NOT HAVE THAT BY MARCH
16.
YOU ALL AGREED TO IT.
TOLD TO COME HERE THREE WEEKS LATER AFTER HE LET YOU KNOW
THAT THE INFORMATION IS GOING TO HARD TO GET BY MARCH 16.
SO NOW WE ARE TASKED WITH COMING UP HERE TRYING TO GIVE YOU
THE BEST SUMMARY THAT WE CAN IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
11:48:48AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
A CONTINUANCE --
11:48:52AM >> THAT IS NOT -- NOT TPD'S FAULT WITH THAT WHEN IT COMES TO
IT THE CRIME FIGHT, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
YOU HAVE BEEN AN OFFICER.
YOU KNOW WHAT GOES INTO THE DEPLOYMENT MEETINGS.
IN THOSE MEETINGS, IT TALKS ABOUT THE GRID, THE ZONES, WHERE
THE CRIME IS OCCURRING AT, THE ADJUSTMENTS.
SO EVERYTHING THAT YOU JUST SAID, WE DO THAT ON A MONTHLY
BASIS AND YEARLY BASIS.
THAT IS PART OF OUR DISCUSSIONS.
11:49:20AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHY I JUST SAID WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, I
DIDN'T REALIZE -- HAD I LOOKED AT IT -- I SHOULD HAVE LOOKED
AT IT PRIOR AND SAY CALVIN -- CALLED CHIEF.
THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR.
WAIT FOR THE 16th.
HOLD OFF UNTIL THE 16th AND SHOW A PLAN -- NOT A ONE-PAGE
SUMMARY, SURFACE SUMMARY.
I WILL TAKE RESPONSIBILITY OF THAT AND I MISSED MY STAFF
MEETING BECAUSE I HAD AN EMERGENCY, BUT IF I SAW THAT I
WOULD HAVE SAID SOMETHING AT THE MEETING I THINK YOU NEED A
CONTINUANCE INSTEAD OF PEOPLE LOOKING FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE
MEAT.
IF THAT IS THE CASE ARE, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
BUT I THINK ON THE 16th WHEN THAT DATE COMES, IT NEEDS TO BE
MORE DETAILED IF ANOTHER DISTRICT IS NEEDED.
IF YOU NEED MORE OFFICERS OUT OF THE DISTRICT LOOKING AT A
REAL PLAN GOING FORWARD.
I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU SAY, THIS STILL IS GROWING BY LEAPS
AND BOUNDS.
WE NEED MORE OFFICERS AND TRAINING COMES INTO PLAY.
GETTING OFFICERS.
BUT I JUST THINK FROM WHAT THE CITIZENS ARE SAYING -- WHAT I
AM HEARING THAT THE CITIZENS ARE SAYING THEY DON'T SEE
ENOUGH POLICE IN -- IF THAT THE CASE, THEN THAT IS A PROBLEM
THIS COUNCIL IS GOING TOP HAVE TO DEAL WITH ANOTHER
BUDGETARY YEAR.
THANK YOU, SIR.
11:50:29AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:50:31AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND I WILL SAY THIS, I ALWAYS HAVE BEEN TOLD WHEN I FIRST
STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS -- THE MASTER PLAN THREE YEARS
AGO THAT FIRE DOES IT DIFFERENT THAN POLICE.
SOME OF THE ISSUE THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT VERY WELL IN TERMS
OF YOUR DIFFERENT DEVELOPING NUMBERS, DEVELOPING NEEDS, ETC.
WHAT I MOTIONED FOR -- I WILL BREAK IT DOWN AND BREAK IT
DOWN FOR FIRE AS WELL.
TO HAVE AN ANNUAL REPORT.
IF YOU NEED MORE TIME FOR THAT, THAT IS COOL.
THAT IS FINE.
I AM FINE WITH THAT WITH YOU GUYS.
THAT IS FINE, BUT TO HAVE AN ANNUAL REPORT TO SHOW WHERE
TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT BELIEVES IT, RIGHT.
WHERE THERE IS -- WHETHER AN ISSUE THAT SAYS, HEY, LOOK, THE
MENTAL HEALTH UNIT, WE WANT MORE FUNDING FOR THAT.
IT HAS BEEN WORKING AND WE WANT MORE FUNDING FOR THAT LONG
TERM.
IT IS KIND OF -- I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD "LOTTERY."
BUT IF YOU GUYS CAME APRIL CROSS A BUNCH OF MONEY, WHAT
WOULD YOU USE IT FOR NEEDS, RIGHT.
THAT IS THE REAL QUESTION I AM LOOKING AT.
NUMBER ONE, WHERE ARE THE DEFICITS.
HOW MUCH MONEY WILL IT COST TO CURE THOSE DEFENSE SETS AND
THROW THE BALL ON THE EXECUTIVE AND LEGISLATIVE BRANCH TO
HAVE THAT DIALOGUE WITH CONSTITUENTS AND RESIDENTS ON HOW TO
FUND THOSE NEEDS WHERE THERE IS PRESENTLY A DEFICIT.
I CAN GLADLY MAKE A MOTION FOR YOU ALL SPECIFICALLY MAYBE TO
COME BACK IN SIX MONTHS, WHATEVER IT MAY BE FOR THAT AND
WHAT NOT FOR TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, SPECIFICALLY, BECAUSE,
AGAIN, THERE IS -- THERE ARE SEPARATE HISTORIES WITH BOTH
DEFENDANTS AND SEPARATE WAYS THAT FOLKS ASSESS NEEDS, ETC.
THAT IS WHAT I AM LOOKING AT WHEN I STARTED THIS THAT THE
ADMINISTERING WAS TALKING ABOUT A MASTER PLAN FOR PARKS
AND REC.
SOMEBODY SAID, WHY DON'T WE DO A MASTER PLAN FOR POLICE AND
FIRE AND WHATNOT.
A LOT WILL HAVE THE EMPHASIS, BY THE WAY, HAS BEEN ON TAMPA
FIRE RESCUE A LOT ON TAMPA FIRE RESCUE AND TOP DO A MOTION
AT THE END FOR -- I DON'T KNOW, WHAT TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT
ONLY AND WHAT NOT.
JUST TO CLEAR THAT UP.
11:52:51AM >> I APPRECIATE THAT.
I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT, THE CHIEF IS OUT WITH OUR
ASSISTANT CHIEF.
THE MAYOR WAS OUR CHIEF.
WE CONSISTENTLY DISCUSS THE NEEDS OF TPD.
PHONE CALLS EVERY DAY AT TIMES.
MAKING SURE THAT POLICE HAVE WHAT WE NEED.
LAST BUDGET CYCLE, WE GOT EVERYTHING.
WHAT WE TRY TO DO WHEN I MENTIONED ONE TIME I WAS HERE IN
THE PAST, TRYING TO GET GRANTS.
TO HELP OUT WITH THE FUNDING.
WE KNOW THAT EVERYTHING THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT NEEDS AND
WANTS CANNOT BE IN THE OVERALL BUDGET.
THERE ARE OTHER THINGS GOING ON.
SO WE TRY TO THINK OF OTHER WAYS TO GET THE FUNDING TO HELP
OUT WHAT WE NEED AS AN ORGANIZATION, BUT THERE IS ALWAYS
COMMUNICATION WHERE THE CHIEF FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE ON THE
HEALTH OF TPD AND THE HEALTH OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:53:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:53:51AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION AND ALL THAT HAS BEEN SAID BY
COUNCILMEMBERS.
I HAVE BEEN MORE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT AS I DRIVE AROUND THE
CITY GOING TO AND FROM OLDSMAR FOUR DAY AS WEEK, YESTERDAY
ON HIMES AVENUE, I WITNESSED A FIRE RESCUE SERVICE VEHICLE
THAT TURNED ON ITS SIREN AND HEADED EAST ON HIMES.
-- I MEAN ON MLK AT HIMES.
WHAT HAPPENS THERE IS HIMES IS TWO LANES PLUS A TURNING LANE
TO HIMES HEADED EAST ON MLK.
ONCE YOU PASS HIMES, YOU ARE DOWN TO TWO LANES.
THERE IS NO MORE TURNING LANE TO GET IN.
THE TIME THAT IT TOOK THAT RESCUE CAR TO GET THERE, NOW
BEING TEN YEARS BACK, I WOULD IMAGINE IT IS TWICE THE TIME,
BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC AT THAT TIME AT 5:15, 5:20 IS
BUMPER-TO-BUMPER, NOT ONLY THERE BUT THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
WE HAVE A PROBLEM OF NOT HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THERE
LIKE WE USED TO.
IRREGARDLESS OF THE POPULATION.
MORE CARS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA PAUSE IT HAS BECOME A
DESTINATION POINT.
YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING HERE JUST TO LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE
DONE AND WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO AND COMPLETE NOT ONLY US
BUT THE GOOD MEN AND WOMEN OF ALL THE POLICE HAVE DONE HERE.
YOU HAVE BEEN, IN MY OPINION, EMULATED AND PEOPLE WANT TO
WORK AND PLAY LIKE YOU DO IN CITIES THAT ARE NOT THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
WHAT YOU AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS DONE TO MAKE SURE THE
PUBLIC IS SAFE IN THE CITY.
IT IS TIME THAT WE LOOK NOT ONLY AS THE AMOUNT OF OFFICERS
AND AMOUNT OF FIRE FIGHTERS WE NEED, BUT HOW DO YOU GET FROM
POINT A TO POINT B, BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC IS SO CONGESTED.
AND I WITNESSED THAT BACK TO OLDSMAR WHERE HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY IS AT AND THEY CAN'T ALSO GET THROUGH.
THE CARS ARE PACKED .
IF YOU DON'T -- YOU WILL HAVE TO GO AGAINST THE RED LIGHT TO
GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY AND WE DO THAT.
SOME OF US DO.
SOME OF US DON'T MOVE AT ALL.
I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND I
APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL'S CONCERN AND ALL OF US.
I THINK WE WILL COME WITH A RESOLUTION WHAT WE WILL NEED IN
THE FUTURE.
AND MENTAL HEALTH, IN MY OPINION, IS TAKING A CREEK UPWARDS.
WE DON'T BELIEVE -- SOCIETY DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE GOOD
MEN AND WOMEN OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, TO US IT IS JUST AN
ACCIDENT.
TO THEM WHOLE AND IN PARTS, HAPPENING HERE, NOT ONLY HERE
BUT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
SOONER OR LATER THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE LOOKING -- MEN AND
WOMEN THAT ARE HERE TODAY.
YOU HAVE TO START REALIZING THAT.
WHAT AM I GOING TO SEE NEXT AND HOW AM I GOING TO TAKE IT
HOME AND MY WIFE AND HUSBAND WILL -- MY CHILDREN, WHAT ARE
YOU GOING TO SEE DADDY TODAY, OR MOMMY TODAY.
HARD TO EXPLAIN TO YOUR FAMILY WHAT YOU SAW.
MENTAL HEALTH LIKE WHAT MR. VIERA BROUGHT UP IS PARAMOUNT TO
CONTINUE HAVING MORE MENTAL HEALTH ADVICE TO THE FIRE
FIGHTERS AND THE POLICE.
ALONG WITH WHAT THEY NEED TO MAKE THE CITY SAFE.
I THINK MENTAL HEALTH IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO LOOK
AT WHOLEHEARTEDLY TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE PREPARED TO CONTINUE
TO SEE WHAT YOU SEE ON A DAILY BASIS.
BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
APPRECIATE IT.
11:57:25AM >> APPRECIATE IT.
11:57:27AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:57:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION AND WE HAVE HAD
DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
AND I -- I APPRECIATE THAT YOU ALL ARE LOOKING AT THIS ON A
WEEKLY, ON A MONTHLY, ON A YEARLY BUDGET BASIS.
THAT IS -- THAT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.
THAT IS WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING.
I THINK WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR IS A LARGER PLAN.
LIKE WHAT DO WE SEE IN FIVE TO TEN YEARS.
WHAT IS THE PROJECTED -- WE HAVE TO LOOK AT PROJECTED GROWTH
IN THE CITY.
WE HAVE TO LOOK WHERE WE -- SHOULD WE HAVE MAYBE EVEN
SOMETHING AS MR. MIRANDA TALKED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AN OUTPOST
IN OLD TAMPA OR NEW TAMPA SO OFFICERS DON'T HAVE TO TRAVEL
SO FAR WHEN THEY MAKE THOSE CALLS.
WHAT ARE WE ARE UTILIZING IN THE FUTURE THAT ENCOMPASSES
GROWTH.
SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE NOT SEEING ON A DAILY BASIS BECAUSE
YOU ARE NOT FOCUSED ON MAKING SURE WE ARE MOVING OFFICERS TO
HOT SPOTS AND TO DEAL WITH THOSE ISSUES AND EXACTLY WHAT YOU
SHOULD BE DOING.
DO WE NEED TO -- DO WE NEED TO HIRE A CONSULTANT?
ARE THERE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT JUST DO THIS THAT LOOK AT
POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND SAY, OKAY, THIS GROWTH, WE ARE GOING
-- WE EXPECT THIS.
WE SEE THIS.
WE CAN'T EXPECT TO YOU DO THAT WORK NECESSARILY BECAUSE,
AGAIN, GROWTH IN OTHER THINGS THAT THAT IS NOT YOUR
EXPERTISE.
YOUR EXPERTISE IS DOING THE JOB.
SO THAT -- THAT IS SORT OF WHERE I AM LOOKING AT WHAT --
WHAT WE CAN SEE AS A -- AS A MASTER PLAN BEING WHAT DO WE
EXPECT FIVE TO TEN YEARS IN THE FUTURE.
AND, YOU KNOW, REVIEWING IT YEARLY.

11:59:17AM >> WE DO THAT, I GUESS TO ANSWER THAT. WHEN ORLANDO WAS ON,
WE HAD NO DISTRICT IN NEW TAMPA.
TAMPA PALMS.
WE HAD TO MAKE OUR ADJUSTMENTS AND PUT SQUADS UP THERE
SPECIFICALLY FOR TAMPA PALMS.
BECAUSE OF THE DRIVE.
I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND WE DON'T JUST FOCUS ON THE CRIME
FIGHT EVERY DAY.
WE FOCUS ON EVERYTHING.
BUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, WE DON'T CONTROL THE BUDGET.
WE TRY TO ASK FOR WHAT WE ASK FOR TO BE SAFE.
I THINK IT'S A TEAM EFFORT.
CITY COUNCIL, THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT,
ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, OKAY.
WE THINK ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID.
WE PUT FORTH THE INFORMATION FOR EVERY BUDGET THAT YOU HAVE
ON WHAT TPD IS DOING AND WHAT WE NEED AND WHAT YOU PROPOSE.

WHATEVER YOU DO FOR US WE GET OUT THERE AND GET IT DONE.
WE DON'T COMPLAIN.
OUR OFFICERS WORK THEIR TAIL OFF.
THE UNION FIGHTS FOR THE MANPOWER.
AND WE GET IT DONE.
WE GET A PROPOSAL OUT.
IF IT GETS APPROVED OR DENIED, WE DO OUR WORK.
WE PROJECT OUT.
BUT IT'S HARD TO PROJECT OUT WHEN WE ARE DEALING WITH CRIME.
AND YOU MAY HAVE AN INCREASE IN MAN MOWER, OR INCREASE IN
PERSONNEL OR INCREASE IN CITIZENS, IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA.
IN THE HIGH-RISES.
ARE THEY THE ONES COMMITTING CRIME?
THEY NEED EXTRA POLICE JUST BECAUSE THE NUMBERS ARE GOING
UP?
SO I GO BACK, AND I WAS RAISED IN SOUTH TAMPA.
I NEVER DEALT WITH THE POLICE IN SOUTH TAMPA.
IS IT BECAUSE I WAS IN A BAD NEIGHBORHOOD OR GOOD
NEIGHBORHOOD?
I DON'T KNOW.
THERE WAS EIGHT OR TEN OF US IN MY FAMILY.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHO IS MOVING INTO TAMPA, WHO IS
MOVING OUT, WHERE ARE THEY MOVING AT, ALL OF THAT COMES INTO
PLAY.
BUT I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK BECAUSE THERE'S AN INCREASE IN

PEOPLE MOVING TO TAMPA IT AUTOMATICALLY MEANS AN INCREASE IN
PERSONNEL.
BECAUSE EVERYBODY WHO MOVES HERE IS NOT A CRIMINAL.
SO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT WHENEVER YOU HEAR ABOUT AN INCREASE
IN CITIZENS MOVING TO TAMPA.
THERE'S AN OVERALL PICTURE THAT WE HAVE.
THE UNION PLAYS A PART IN THAT.
THE POLICE DO ON WHO IS MOVING HERE AND WHAT WE NEED TO DEAL
WITH THAT.
12:01:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
12:01:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CHIEF BENNETT?
THIS MIGHT BE MORE A HIGHER LEVEL QUESTION.
12:02:06PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
SURE.
12:02:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT FIVE TO TEN-YEAR PLAN, I APPRECIATE
THAT THEY ARE FOCUSED, THAT THE POLICE CHIEF AND DEPUTY
CHIEFS ARE FOCUSED ON THE WEEKLY, DAILY, MONTHLY, YOU KNOW,
YEAR BUDGET, BUT WHERE WE ARE, WE CAN TAKE A LONGER LOOK.
12:02:32PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
SURE.
12:02:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S POSSIBLE FOR US TO
DO?
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CONSULTANTS CAN BE HIRED FOR WHERE
THEY CAN WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENT?
AGAIN IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY, LIKE DEPUTY CHIEF JOHNSON
SAID, THE POLICE TEND TO BE A LOT MORE FLUID MAYBE THAN
FIRE, BUT AS COUNCILMAN MIRANDA POINTED OUT, WE ARE TALKING

ABOUT TRAFFIC, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NUMBERS, AND THE
CITIZENRY ARE TELLING US, HEY, MORE PEOPLE, WE WANT MORE.
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12:03:33PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
IT'S KIND OF THE IMMEDIATE NEED.
BUT I THINK WHAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO DO THE WAY I KEEP
LISTENING TO THE DISCUSSIONS IS REALLY MAKE A MORE ROBUST
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PORTION OF THE BUDGET WHICH HAS A
FIVE-YEAR VIEW TO IT, WHICH DOES LOOK AT THINGS LIKE THE
GROWTH CURVE.
I DID A TEN-YEAR REVIEW OF A BUNCH OF DATA TRYING TO SUPPORT
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S VIEW ON THIS, GOING INTO THIS BUDGET
CYCLE, AND I THINK WHAT THE CHIEF CONVEYED TODAY IS KIND OF
A TABLE OF CONTENTS OF THINGS WE ARE STUDYING TO COME BACK
ON THAT HARD DATE, WHICH I THINK EVERYBODY IS LOOKING
FORWARD TO.
BUT I THINK THE ONE YEAR, FIVE-YEAR VIEW IS EXTREMELY
IMPORTANT.
THERE ARE SOME REPORTS THAT THEY DO ORGANICALLY THAT TAKE
THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
BUT I THINK FOR THE SAKE OF THE PUBLIC AND COUNCIL, WE
REALLY HAVE TO LIFT THAT INTO -- THE PUBLIC IS NOT GOING TO
READ THE THREE YEAR PLAN AS A RULE BUT THEY WILL READ THE
FIVE-YEAR BUDGET ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
SO WHETHER IT'S ADDITIONAL RESOURCES, ADDITIONAL LAND USE,
ADDITIONAL FACILITIES, ALL THOSE THINGS SHOULD REALLY BELONG

IN THAT PLAN AND I THINK WE CAN GROW INTO THAT MODEL AS A
BIGGER CITY LIKE COUNCILMAN GUDES SAID.
I AM HAPPY TO SUPPORT THAT.
12:04:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:04:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK, TALKING MORE TO MR. BENNETT THAN
CHIEF JOHNSON, THE EXPECTATION THAT WE HAVE HAD I THINK IS
TO HAVE A MASTER PLAN OR A STRATEGIC PLAN.
I KNOW YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
SOMEHOW, WE HAVE TO GO DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT AND EXPLAIN
IT TO EVERYONE.
WE HAVE HAD, AND,COUNCILMAN VIERA BROUGHT THIS UP THREE
YEARS AGO, I KNEW IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO, BUT DURING THAT
TIME WE HAVE HAD TO BE FAIR FOUR CHIEFS AND A LOT OF CHANGE
AND A LOT OF TURMOIL, AND RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A
FULL-TIME CHIEF.
WE HAVE AN INTERIM CHIEF, AND THAT PROCESS WILL GO FORWARD
IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE BEEN ASKING OVER AND OVER AGAIN
FOR A PLAN.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE ASKED TWO WEEKS AGO FOR A PLAN NOW.
WE ASKED FOR A PLAN TWO YEARS AGO AND HAVE BEEN PATIENTLY
WAITING AND THERE ISN'T A PLAN.
WHEN I TALK ABOUT A PLAN, I REALLY THINK WE SHOULD BE
TALKING ABOUT 20 YEARS, AND NOT JUST CAPITAL.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU INCLUDE PEOPLE IN THE CAPITAL, BUT

COUNCILMAN MIRANDA TALKS ABOUT HOW C.I.T. MAY GO AWAY, AND
WHAT'S THE AGE.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT FIRE RESCUE IN A
MINUTE BUT WHAT'S THE AGE OF POLICE CARS, THE AGE OF
WEAPONRY, THE AGE OF THE FACILITY?
WE KNOW THAT YOU WANT TO SELL THIS BUILDING AND BUILD A NEW
COMPLEX.
WHEN IS THAT GOING TO BE PUT INTO ANY KIND OF BUDGET?
AND WHAT COSTS?
WE KNOW THERE WILL BE SOME REVENUE FROM SELLING THE BUILDING
BUT WHAT WILL THE NET COST BE EVENTUALLY?
SOMEWHERE THAT SHOULD BE PENCILED IN.
WHAT ABOUT THE SOFTWARE?
WE KNOW GOING ON FIRE CALLS THAT THE SOFTWARE SYSTEM THERE
IS WAY OUTDATED.
WE HEAR FROM POLICE THAT THERE ARE TWO OR THREE SOFTWARE
SYSTEMS THAT THEY HAVE PUT IN THERE, ADMIN INCREASING.
SO WHAT WILL BE IN A 20 YEAR PLAN? CERTAINLY THERE SHOULD
BE A ONE-YEAR AND FIVE-YEAR VIEW, BUT IT SOUND LIKE DAY TO
DAY, MONTH TO MONTH, AND TECHNICALLY BY CHARTER, CITY
COUNCIL CONTROLS THE BUDGET.
BUT WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST, AND THIS IS NOT JUST THIS
ADMINISTRATION, IT'S BEEN CITY COUNCIL IS PRESENTED THE
BUDGET AND A FEW COUNCIL MEMBERS MAKE TRADES TO GET THEIR
VOTES ON SMALL THINGS, AND THEN THE BUDGET IS RUBBER

STAMPED.
IN THIS CASE, WHAT'S HAPPENED CLEARLY, WHAT THE ELECTION A
COUPLE WEEKS AGO SHOWED IS THAT THE PUBLIC WANTS
TRANSPARENCY, THE PUBLIC WANTS SITE LINES INTO WHAT'S
HAPPENING, THEY WANT TO SEE WHAT'S ON THE HORIZON, WHAT THE
PLAN IS, AND PARTICULARLY IN SOUTH TAMPA A PERCEPTION IS
CRIME IS GOING UP, AND ALTHOUGH SOME PEOPLE WHIPPED OUT A
LOT OF FALSE INFORMATION, THERE IS A GREAT INTEREST IN THE
POLICE AND FIRE, AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE ADEQUATELY
COVERED.
SO I THINK THAT WE NEED TO KNOW CLEARLY AND THE PUBLIC NEEDS
TO KNOW, WHAT'S THE LONG-TERM VIEW OF THIS, IN A YEAR, FIVE
YEARS, BUT EVEN MONTH TO MONTH DISCUSSIONS THOSE FEED INTO
SOMETHING, AND I THINK THAT THEY CAN HAVE ALL KINDS OF
CAVEATS ON THEM, EVEN SAY, LOOK, RIGHT NOW BASED ON TODAY'S
BUDGET POLICE OFFICERS WOULD COST X.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT A POLICE VEHICLE WILL COST FIVE YEARS
FROM NOW BUT WE CAN PUT PLUS OR MINUS OR SAY THESE ARE
ESTIMATES, WITH ASTERISKS NEXT TO THEM.
JUST LIKE MR. WEISS SAID A FEW MOMENTS AGO, 77 MILLION ON 20
YEARS FOR THAT TREATMENT PLANT.
SO THE SAME THING THAT WE WOULD ASK FOR TRANSPARENCY UNDER
THOSE HUGE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS WE WOULD ASK FOR THIS,
WHICH IS THESE TWO AREAS, POLICE AND FIRE RESCUE, ARE TWO OF
THE ONES THAT THE PUBLIC IS MOST INTERESTED IN.

THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION JUST NOW ABOUT THE BUDGET
TIME.
AND YOU HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB OF BRIEFING US AND THE PUBLIC
IN ADVANCE OF THE BUDGET BUT IT SHOULD NOT BE A SITUATION
WHERE THE POLICE HAVE A PRIVATE DISCUSSION WITH THE MAYOR'S
OFFICE AND THEN COME BACK TO US AND PRESENT THE WHOLE
BUDGET.
THERE SHOULD BE A PROCESS BY WHICH THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS,
IF WE ARE USING THE WRONG METRICS, IT'S NOT A RATIO OF
NUMBER OF CITIZENS TO POLICE, THEN WHATEVER THE RATIOS ARE
THAT PROVIDE THE SAFETY FOR THE PUBLIC, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT
THOSE GOALS ARE CLEARLY LAID OUT, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE
RATIOS ARE, LAID OUT, SO THEN WE AND THE PUBLIC WILL KNOW AS
IT COMES BUDGET TIME THAT WE WILL HAVE THE EXPECTATION AND
THE BUDGET WILL STAY THE SAME OR GO UP, NOT THAT SOMEBODY
WOULD SAY, OKAY, HERE ARE THE GOODIES WE WANT THIS YEAR AND
PLEASE INCLUDE THEM.
WE WOULD HAVE OBJECTIVE MEASURES AS TO WHAT THE BUDGET WILL
GO UP OR NOT.
WHAT HAPPENS IF WE HIT A RECESSION AND THE IN BE FLUX OF
PEOPLE IS NOT AS HIGH AS IT WAS?
DOES THAT MEAN THE NUMBERS STAY THE SAME OR NOT?
DOES THE ECONOMY GOING DOWN MEAN THERE'S MORE CRIME OR LESS?
THERE SHOULD BE SOME METRICS FROM ALL THE EXPERTISE THAT YOU
ALL HAVE AND WE IN THE PUBLIC SHOULD KNOW WAY IN ADVANCE OF

THAT BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE BUILT INTO A PLAN.
THEN THE PBA AND THE OFFICERS ON THE STREET HAVE INPUT.
IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS I TALKED TO AS MANY OFFICERS AS I CAN
ON THE STREET, AND AFTER GETTING PAST THEIR RESERVATIONS, I
SAID WHAT DO YOU REALLY NEED?
AND THEY HAVE TWO BIG CONCERNS THAT I HEAR.
NUMBER ONE IS THEY REALLY BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE 200
MORE POLICE OFFICERS.
AND IF THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT NUMBER WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT
WHAT IS THE RIGHT NUMBER.
HOW WOULD WE FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE RIGHT NUMBER?
AND WE NEED TO HAVE INSIGHT INTO OHIO YOU ALL WOULD
CALCULATE HOW MANY PEOPLE, HOW MANY OFFICERS WE NEED BEFORE
WE GET TO BUDGET CYCLE, AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS THAT
SOMETHING LIKE 30% OF THE SENIOR MANAGEMENT OF POLICE ARE
RETIRING IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, SO WE HAVE ALL THIS
LEADERSHIP AND EXPERIENCE THAT'S LEAVING AND PEOPLE ARE
VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
EVEN THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LEAVING ARE CONCERNED BECAUSE THEY
DON'T WANT THEIR LEGACY TO BE THAT THINGS DON'T RUN AS WELL
AFTER THEY ARE GONE.
[BELL SOUNDS]
SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS SHOULD BE BUILT INTO THE PLAN AND
ULTIMATELY THE GOAL IS NOT ONLY MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC IS
SAFE BUT THAT WE PROVIDE THE RIGHT TRANSPARENCY TO THE

PUBLIC AND THAT THE PUBLIC BUYS INTO THE PLAN, AND THE
BUDGET.
THANK YOU.
12:11:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:11:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO WHAT WAS SAID EARLIER ABOUT BECAUSE
POPULATION INCREASES, THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS ARE NOT, AND I
THINK IT APPLIES TO POLICE AND FIRE, IS WE LIVE IN AN
EVER-CHAINING CITY AND IT'S NOT ABOUT FAULT, WHY DO WE NEED
SO MUCH PERSONNEL, BECAUSE THE POPULATION INCREASES.
THE THING IS THE MENTAL HEALTH OF OUR OFFICERS AND OUR
FIREFIGHTERS, THE AMOUNT OF STRESS.
YOU DON'T WANT TO OVERBURDEN ANYBODY BECAUSE YOU WANT TO
DELIVER A TONE LEVEL OF SERVICE REGARDLESS.
WHEN IT COMES TO RESPONSE TIMES, WE HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC,
AND THAT IS NOT BEING ADDRESSED BECAUSE, AGAIN, MAYBE IT'S
BEYOND OUR CONTROL BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE ARE MOVING HERE,
SO MANY CARS ON THE ROAD, MAYBE WE NEED MORE STATIONS, MAYBE
WE NEED MORE VEHICLES, MAYBE SO WE CAN RESPOND -- AND I AM
TALKING ABOUT BOTH FIRE AND POLICE -- SO WE CAN BETTER
ACCESS AREAS THAT ARE CONGESTED AND THEY NEED MOWER AND WE
NEED QUICKER RESPONSE TIMES AND GO OVER THAT QUALITY OF
SERVICE.
I THINK WE NEED MORE OFFICERS.
I THINK WE NEED MORE COMMUNITY POLICING.
I THINK WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON THE MENTAL HEALTH OF EVERYONE.

AGAIN, WHAT YOU SEE DURING, YOU KNOW, EVERY DAY, OFFICERS,
PEOPLE IN UNIFORM, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH
PEOPLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE POPULATION, AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW
AND KEEP UP WITH THE DEMAND.
SO THAT'S IT.
A LOT HAS BEEN SAID SO YOU APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU.
12:12:43PM >> I WANT TO HIT ON ONE THING.
WE DO HAVE RESPONSE TIMES, WE ARE DOING GOOD ON RESPONSE
TIMES.
THAT'S PART OF OUR INTERIM DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE.
THAT IS INTERNALLY REGARDING HOW WE ARE GOING TO DEPLOY
UNITS EVERY YEAR.
12:13:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
12:13:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, THEN COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:13:05PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WANTED TO, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, MAKE THE
MOTION SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN WITH EVERYBODY HERE,
FOR THIS TO COME BACK, BUT I CAN DO IT AGAIN AFTER.
12:13:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE WILL HEAR FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:13:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT I AM GOING TO SAY
NOW WAS SAID OUT OF THE CLEAR BLUE SKY WASN'T INTENDED FOR
EVERYONE BUT THIS COUNCILMEMBER NEVER TRADED VOTES WITH ANY
MAYOR OR ANY COUNCILMEMBER EVER.
I KNOW IT WASN'T INTENDED THAT WAY BUT I DON'T QUANTITY IT
TO GO OUT SAYING WE TRADE VOTES.

I TRADE WITH NOBODY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:13:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:13:45PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
[OFF MICROPHONE] THAT TAMPA IS A CITY
WITHIN ITSELF. THAT'S WHY I SAY WE NEED TO LOOK AT ADDING
ANOTHER DISTRICT.
I WAS THERE WHEN IT FIRST CAME ABOUT.
I WAS THERE WHEN DISTRICT 3 CAME ABOUT.
THE OLD D-2.
SO TIME DOES CHANGE THINGS.
AND MAYBE WE ARE AT THAT TIME NOW THAT WE NEED TO HAVE AN
ACTUAL PLAN GOING FORWARD TO SEE WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO, WHAT
DO WE NEED, AND I HAVE ALWAYS SAID, NOW, I WORKED OUT THERE
TWO MONTHS, I THINK, AND THAT IS A DRIVE OUT THERE, YOU
KNOW.
SO WHAT WHATEVER MR. VIERA'S MOTION IS, I HOPE IT WILL BE A
PLAN TO SEE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE.
ALL DISTRICTS NEED IT.
WE HAVE A BIG COUNTY.
THIS COUNTY IS BIGGER THAN RHODE ISLAND, A STATE, YOU KNOW.
AND THE SHERIFF NEEDS TO HAVE COVERAGE.
WE ARE A CITY WITHIN A CITY, AND THE REGION, SO WHATEVER THE
MOTION, I SUPPORT A REAL TRUE ACTUAL MASTER PLAN OF OUR
POLICE DEPARTMENT, OF OUR CITY, TO SEE WHAT IT IS WE NEED
AND HAVE A TRUE STUDY FROM SOMEBODY WE PAY FOR TO LOOK AT

HOW WE GO FORTH IN THE FUTURE.
12:15:26PM >> I DON'T WANT COUNCIL TO THINK NEW TAMPA IS ON AN ISLAND.
WE HAVE OFFICERS SPECIFICALLY FOR NEW TAMPA.
12:15:35PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I'M NOT SAYING THAT.
THAT'S NOT WHAT I AM SAYING, SIR.
WHAT I AM SAYING IS, NEW TAMPA IS A CITY IN ITSELF AND IS
CONTINUING TO GROW.
SO IF THEY DON'T GO PAST, THAT'S FINE.
MY ISSUE IS THERE IS A CITY WITHIN A CITY ITSELF, SO AS
THINGS GO UP, WE HAVE STILL GOT TO BRING PEOPLE UP TO NEW
TAMPA, PERIOD.
JUST ONE SQUAD UP THERE?
HOW MANY SQUADS?
I AM JUST SAYING.
IF SOMETHING MAJORLY HAPPENS UP THERE YOU HAVE TO GET
OFFICERS UP THERE.
YOU HAVE TO GET PEOPLE UP THERE.
AND I UNDERSTAND YOU ARE DEPUTY CHIEF AND YOU WORK FOR THE
ADMINISTRATION.
IT'S YOUR JOB TO PROTECT ADMINISTRATION.
I GET THAT.
WHAT I AM SAYING IS THIS.
NEW TAMPA IS A PLACE OF ITS OWN.
IT'S GROWING EVERY DAY.
AND THIS COUNCIL IS JUST TRYING TO SAY WE WANT TO MAKE SURE

GOING FORWARD AND THE CITY IS GROWING, YOUR STUDY, IT MAY
NOT BE WARRANTED.
WE DON'T KNOW.
BUT I THINK IT'S VALID TO ACTUALLY HAVE THIS COUNCIL PAY TO
HAVE SOME ACTUAL STUDY OF WHAT WE ARE ASKING AND LOOKING
FOR.
AGAIN, IT COULD BE LESS, IT COULD BE MORE.
THANK YOU, SIR.
12:16:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:16:58PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. BENNETT, THE'S OTHER THING I WAS
REMINDED JUST NOW IS A LOT OF THE COMPLAINTS I HAD RECENTLY
ARE KIND OF CODE ENFORCEMENT AND POLICE CONNECTED.
FOR EXAMPLE, AIRBNBs WHERE THERE'S LOUD MUSIC PLAYING, A
CITIZEN IS CONFUSED ABOUT WHERE THEY NEED TO CALL.
THEY MIGHT CALL CODE ENFORCEMENT.
CODE ENFORCEMENT SAYS TPD.
TPD SAYS CODE ENFORCEMENT.
THERE'S ALSO LIKE THE HOMELESS CAMPS SO YOU HAVE HOMELESS
SERVICES THAT COMES OUT.
YOU HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE THAT GO OUT AND YOU HAVE
TPD COME OUT, MAYBE EVEN FIRE RESCUE.
AND SO THERE ARE THESE AREAS WHERE WE PROBABLY NEED TO
REORGANIZE AND LOOK AT CODE ENFORCEMENT IS CONNECTED TO IT
BUT THERE'S A HUGE NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS COME IN NOW ABOUT
THOSE AREAS, PEOPLE VIOLATING SOUND ORDINANCES AT NIGHT, AND

SO WE NEED TO FIRST OF ALL TAKE CARE OF VIOLENT CRIME,
PEOPLE DON'T LIKE CARS BEING STOLEN, THINGS STOLEN OUT OF
CARS AND HOUSES, BUT THERE ARE THESE NUISANCE ISSUES THAT
PEOPLE ARE VERY UPSET ABOUT IT.
WE PASSED AN ORDINANCE TO STRENGTHEN THE FINE ON LEAF
BLOWING BECAUSE WE HEARD ABOUT STORMWATER EARLIER.
IT BLOCKS UP THE STORMWATER DRAINS WHICH COST MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS FOR US TO GO BACK AND CLEAN BUT NOW THAT IS A COUPLE
YEARS PAST PEOPLE ARE DUMPING THIS TIME OF YEAR ESPECIALLY
HUGE AMOUNTS OF LEAFS INTO THE STORM DRAIN.
PARKING IS THE SAME THING.
SO I WOULD JUST ASK AS YOU ARE LOOKING AT THIS HOLISTICALLY
BECAUSE IT CROSSES MORE THAN ONE DEPARTMENT, WE NEED A
SEAMLESS WAY FOR PEOPLE TO REACH OUT AND WHO TO CONTACT AND
IF THEY CALL ONE AND IT'S NOT THAT ONE, BUT THERE'S A
SEAMLESS HANDOFF SO SOMEBODY IS TAKEN CARE OF AND FOLKS FEEL
LIKE THEY ARE LISTENED TO.
THANK YOU.
12:18:47PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
SO QUICK FEEDBACK ON THAT ONE.
THE CITY IS GOING THROUGH A COMPLETE REVAMP OF THE CUSTOMER
EXPERIENCE.
OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE CENTER, IT WAS A HOME GROWN PLATFORM.
OCEA WYNN IS THE LEAD ON THAT.
WE FEEL THE SAME WAY THAT THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO GO
THROUGH ONE CHANNEL, HIT MANY CHANNELS.

SO THAT'S A COMPLETE REVAMP.
I WILL SAY THAT CHIEF BERCAW REACHED OUT TO ME RECENTLY AND
ASKED TEN YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS DOING THIS, WE HAD A WHOLE
QUALITY OF LIFE MEETING, IN ADDITION TO THE CRIME MEETING,
WHICH INCORPORATED HOMELESSNESS, CODE ENFORCEMENT.
I BELIEVE CODE ENFORCEMENT IS STILL SITTING IN THEIR MONTHLY
MEETINGS BUT WE DO NEED TO HAVE MORE SYNTHESIS IN THOSE
EFFORTS IN THOSE AREAS THAT THE PUBLIC ARE CONCERNED ABOUT,
WHICH ALL NEED TO FEED INTO IT.
AND THE LAST COMMENT ON THE ONE-YEAR, FIVE-YEAR, 20-YEAR, I
AM VERY CONFIDENT THAT WE PROBABLY HAVE THE RESOURCES AND
EXPERTISE TO WORK ON A ONE OR FIVE.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING IN PUBLIC SAFETY IN MY 35 YEARS THAT
GOES BEYOND, BUT I THINK THOSE ARE GOOD POINTS BECAUSE I
THINK THE CITY IS MOVING SO FAST.
THAT'S THE ONLY SPACE THAT I WOULD ARGUE THAT THERE'S GOT TO
BE SOMEBODY OUT THERE SMARTER THAN I AM THAT CAN DO THE 5
AND 20, BUT I AM CONFIDENT WE CAN BRING TO YOU A
WELL-DEFINED FAIRLY WELCOMING FORWARD.
12:20:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:20:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANTED TO BRING THIS TO COUNCILMAN
VIERA.
I KNOW YOU ARE COMING BACK WITH A PLAN TO BRING THIS BACK.
BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU MIGHT WANT TO PUT INTO IT, OR IF
NOT, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST TO TALK ABOUT A FIVE TO TEN-YEAR

PLAN, A CONSULTANT.
JUST MAKING SURE.
BECAUSE LIKE CHIEF BENNETT SAID, WE HAVE THE EXPERTS ON THE
CITY HERE, BUT SOMETIMES WE CAN GO OUT AND ASK FOR OTHERS
ADVICE WHERE THEY HAVE LOOKED AT THIS SAME TYPE OF GROWING
PAINS IN OTHER CITIES.
I THINK THAT CAN PROVE, AS YOU SAID, VITAL TO THIS PLAN.
THANK YOU.
12:20:54PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I WANT TO SAY, THESE ARE NOT THINGS TO HANG
ON BUT I WANT TO GIVE YOU TWO BAROMETRICS REAL QUICK.
I LOOKED AT THE LAST FIVE-YEAR AND TEN YEARS INCREMENTS FROM
RELIABLE SOURCES.
WE HAVE HAD ACCORDING TO THE STANDARD POPULATION GROWTH BY
THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT WE HAD A 17.5%
INCREASE IN POPULATION BUT OUR CALLS FOR SERVICE HAVE GONE
DOWN 29%.
AND A LOT OF THAT IS DUE TO THE POSITIVE PROGRAMMING IN
PARKS, THE GOOD COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WITH POLICE, ARRESTS
HAVE GONE DOWN 70% IN THOSE TEN YEARS.
ALL OF THAT TIME OF DRIVING THE BOOK GETS REPURPOSED INTO
POSITIVE ENERGY.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT EFFICIENCY, EFFECTIVENESS AND EQUITY ARE
REPURPOSED BACK INTO THE SYSTEM ALL THE TIME, AND THAT'S
WHAT I THINK THE LEADERSHIP AT TPD IS DOING NOW, IS THEY
ROLL OUT THIS DEPLOYMENT IN FEBRUARY, THEY WANT TO MEASURE

IT FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS GOING INTO THE BUDGET, DO A GOOD
ONE-YEAR REVIEW, GOOD FIVE-YEAR REVIEW AND THEN IF WE WANT
TO CONSULT BEYOND THAT LOOK AT IT AND UNDERSTAND HOW IT
WORKS.
12:22:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
BEFORE YOU START, COUNCILMAN VIERA, THAT'S
SOMETHING I WANT TO BRING UP.
THE CITIZENS TO OFFICER RATIO AND THE CITIZEN TO FIREFIGHTER
RATIO.
AND MAKE SURE THAT'S KEPT UP TO NATIONAL STANDARDS.
12:22:16PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
ABSOLUTELY.
12:22:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WITHOUT A DOUBT.
AS FAR AS BOTH ENTITIES, WITHOUT DISPATCH, YOU ALL CAN'T
OPERATE.
THAT NEEDS TO BE PUT INTO THE EQUATION, ALSO.
SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT EQUIPMENT.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT VEHICLES.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING.
THIS IS JUST A SUGGESTION I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE.
YOU NEED TO COME BACK TO US WITH A PLAN.
YOU NEED TO COME BACK TO US.
SO WHATEVER CITY COUNCIL SUPP HERE CAN MAKE THE BUDGET
RECOMMENDATIONS AT THE TIME, AND HOPEFULLY THE FUTURE CITY
COUNCIL PEOPLE OUT THERE LISTENING THAT WHEN THE BUDGET
REQUESTS ARE MADE, 10% MORE IS ADDED TO SET ASIDE IN CASE

EMERGENCIES ARE NEEDED, OR FOR TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD A NEW
FIRE STATION WE DESPERATELY NEED, OR A NEW SUBSTATION FOURTH
POLICE THAT WE MIGHT NEED IS THERE AND READY FOR THE
PICKING.
SO THIS COUNCIL OR ANY COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND
PLEAD FOR MORE MONEYS FOR THESE DEPARTMENTS.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
12:23:37PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
I MAKE A MOTION FOR -- NOW COMING BACK, FIVE MONTHS, FOUR
MOMENTS, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS?
BECAUSE MY THINKING THING IS, AND AGAIN I HAD THIS
DISCUSSION WITH TAMPA FIRE A COUPLE MONTHS AGO AND HAVING IT
NOW I GUESS WITH YOU ALL.
WANT TO MAKE SURE WHAT IS THE TIME YOU ALL NEED TO COME BACK
TO HAVE THE REPORT THAT COUNCIL HAS DISCUSSED THAT I AM
GOING TO BE MOTIONING FOR, REALISTICALLY?
AUGUST?
12:24:04PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I THINK AUGUST WORKS WELL.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MOTION WAS FOR CHIEF BERCAW TO COME
BACK.
THERE WAS ALREADY A MOTION TO COME BACK FOR THE POLICE PART.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DATE IS.
12:24:21PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THOUGHT IT WAS SEPTEMBER.
12:24:23PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WHAT WAS THE MOTION?
12:24:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT WAS SIX MONTHS.

THAT WOULD BE SEPTEMBER 21st, A REGULAR MEETING.
12:24:30PM >>LUIS VIERA:
CAN YOU SEE WHAT THE MOTION IS?
STUMBLING OVER MY MOTIONS.
12:24:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT DOESN'T SHOW A WORKSHOP IN
SEPTEMBER.
I'M SORRY, SEPTEMBER 28th.
12:24:43PM >>LUIS VIERA:
CORRECT.
HOW ABOUT THEN I HAVE IT FOR THAT DAY IN SEPTEMBER.
THAT WOULD GIVE YOU ALL --
12:24:54PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MAY I MAKE A SUGGESTION?
I DON'T SEE MS. FEELEY HERE BUT NORMALLY, AND MR. BENNETT,
THAT WAS RESERVED FOR LAND USE AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
12:25:04PM >>LUIS VIERA:
OKAY.
12:25:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SEPTEMBER 21st.
12:25:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ALSO, COUNCIL, ANOTHER THING TO CONSIDER,
PLEASE, WITH REGARD TO THESE DISCUSSIONS, YOUR RULES, I
SUSPECT YOU ARE GOING TO BE ADOPTING, IS TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT
OF TIME YOU SPEND ON STAFF REPORTS.
[ LAUGHTER ]
12:25:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
12:25:30PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THE THING IS, IN
PRACTICALITY AND WORKING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, THE NUMBER
OF STAFF REPORTS YOU SET IS GOING TO BE DETERMINED
ESPECIALLY IF TAKEN UP IN THE AFTERNOON OR LATE IN THE
MORNING AND IN THE AFTERNOON HOW MUCH TIME YOU HAVE TO GET

TO IT BECAUSE MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE MINDFUL AS YOU MOVE
FORWARD TO BE ABLE TO SET REALISTIC EXPECTATIONS SO WITH ALL
THE PREPARATION THAT THE ADMINISTRATION GOES INTO PREPARING
THESE THAT YOU ARE NOT AT THE END OF THE DAY AND HAVING ELSE
IS CONTINUED DOWN THE ROAD, SO BE MINDFUL AND RESPECTFUL OF
THAT.
12:26:03PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SO IF I MAY, HOW ABOUT AUGUST 31st?
I WILL GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION IF I MAY FOR AUGUST
31st FOR THE ONE AND FIVE-YEAR PLAN THAT WILL ENCOMPASS
THE FOLLOWING.
AGAIN I AM GOING TO GO INTO DETAIL HERE.
THIS WILL BE A COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS FOR TAMPA POLICE
DEPARTMENT, TAMPA FIRE RESCUE OBVIOUSLY IS GOING TO BE A
DIFFERENT THING, FOR THE DEFICITS IN TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT
WITH THE MONETARY AMOUNT THAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO CURE THOSE
DEFICITS.
THIS WILL INCLUDE BUT NOT BE LIMITED TO ADDING DISTRICTS
POTENTIALLY, MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, MANPOWER, WOMANPOWER,
RESPONSE TIMES, ET CETERA, AND WE WOULD REQUEST THAT A
CONSULTANT BE USED FOR THAT.
JUST TO HAVE THE MOST EFFECTIVE REPORT.
12:26:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
DOES THAT INCLUDE EQUIPMENT THAT YOU
NEED AND SO FORTH?
THAT'S ANOTHER BIG ISSUE.
AND IF IT'S GOING TO BE ELECTRIC, BECAUSE IT CHANGES REAL

QUICK.
HOW MANY CAN CHARGING AREAS WHERE WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE
CITY TO CHARGE UP.
BY 30-SOMETHING, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ALL ELECTRIC CARS SO WE
BETTER GET READY FOR IT.
12:27:20PM >>LUIS VIERA:
EQUIPMENT.
12:27:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:27:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK A CONSULTANT, HIRING A CONSULTANT
AND GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS IS GOING TO BE MORE THAN A
YEAR.
SO I THINK MAYBE A PRELIMINARY OR MAYBE EVEN BY THEN THEY
COULD COME BACK WITH EITHER THE RFP FOR THAT CONSULTANT, OR
SOMETHING -- ESCROW.
12:27:54PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
COMPREHENSIVELY, TWO OTHER INFORMATION
SESSIONS, ONE HISTORICALLY WE HAVE WORKED WITH COUNCIL TO
HAVE BUDGET WORKSHOPS THAT INCLUDE THE FIVE-YEAR PORTION.
SO WE CAN MAKE SURE IN IS MORE ROBUST AS PART OF WHAT'S
GOING INTO THE FISCAL YEAR THAN THE FIVE-YEAR, AND THEN OF
COURSE THE DATE THAT YOU ARE SETTING, TO KIND OF TIE A BOW
ON THAT.
12:28:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:28:22PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. BENNETT, AS I ALWAYS SAY TO YOU AND THE
MAYOR PUBLICLY AND PRIVATELY, YOU TWO ARE EXPERTS IN THIS
AREA.
YOU HAVE GOT A LOT OF EXPERTS INTERNALLY.

YOU AND THE MAYOR EACH WERE CONSULTANTS ON THIS POLICING
NATIONALLY.
WE MAY HAVE OTHER LEADERSHIP THAT DOES CONSULTING.
I THINK SOME OF THESE PLANS ARE TAKING THREE OR FOUR YEARS
AND THIS ONE WE ARE KIND OF WORKING ON THREE YEARS.
I WON'T ADD TO THE MOTION BUT I WISH BY THE UPDATE THAT YOU
AND THE MAYOR WOULD WORK WITH THE INTERIM LEADERSHIP TO AT
LEAST COME UP WITH A FRAMEWORK.
YOU KNOW WHAT THE INDUSTRY STANDARDS ARE ON THE RATIOS.
AND EVEN IF YOU CAN'T EXACTLY PROJECT HOW MANY YEARS, NOW
WHAT THE RATIOS ARE AND SOMEBODY CAN PLUG IN THE NUMBERS AND
FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PROJECTIONS ARE FROM FIVE TO 20 YEARS
AND AT LEAST IF WE KNOW WHAT THE GOALS ARE AND HOW -- AND
WHAT THE INPUTS ARE TO BE ABLE TO FIX THOSE, IF WE HAVE A
BASIC FRAMEWORK THAT'S A PAGE OR TWO, AND JUST LIKE MR.
WEISS GAVE THAT UPDATE THIS MORNING, IT WAS LIKE ONE MINUTE
BUT IT HIT ALL THE HIGH POINTS OF WHAT WE NEEDED TO KNOW,
BECAUSE YOU ALL HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT ON
POLICE, AND SATISFY THE BASIC INTERESTS OF THE PUBLIC TO
HAVE THE INFORMATION.
THANK YOU.
12:29:41PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I THINK IT'S A GREAT POINT TO METHODOLOGY
TO SCALE.
THAT'S WHAT I AM DOING.
12:29:46PM >> EXTENDING COUNCIL FOR ONE HOUR. 1:
30.

1:30.
12:29:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LET'S GET DONE WITH YOUR MOTION FIRST. IF
I MAY ASK THAT YOU ADD THE 10%.
I SAW A LOT OF HEADS BACK IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM NODDING.
12:30:02PM >>LUIS VIERA:
COULD YOU STATE THAT FOR THE RECORD SO I CAN
INCORPORATE IT?
12:30:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHATEVER IS BUDGETED FOR THE NEXT BUDGET
CYCLE, THAT 10% BE ADDED TO BE HELD IN RESERVE IN CASE
FUTURE NECESSITY NEEDS, SO CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE TO COME
BACK.
12:30:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AND AN AREA THAT CANNOT BE TOUCHED OTHER
THAN --
12:30:23PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY, I WILL ADD IN THE 10% AND THEN
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S WISE SUGGESTION ON MAKING THIS A
PRELIMINARY STATUS REPORT ON THE CONSULTANT BECAUSE I WAS A
LITTLE TOO OPTIMISTIC.
12:30:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:30:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M SURE MR. ROGERO WOULD HAVING TO SOME SAY
ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE A PRETTY ROBUST UNDERSTANDING,
LIKE WE HAVE A ROBUST SET-ASIDE, SO I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE
THE SET-ASIDES WE ALREADY HAVE WE CAN PORTION SOME OUT FOR
POLICE.
12:31:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IF I MAY.
I APOLOGIZE.
THIS WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY FOR FIRE AND POLICE.

THEY WON'T HAVE TO GO BACK TO MR. ROGERO AND ASK HIM ABOUT
IT.
12:31:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE A SET-ASIDE POT THAT IS
GENERAL.
IF WE COULD -- I THINK IF MR. ROGERO WERE TO COME AS PART OF
THIS, HE COULD TALK ABOUT THE IDEA OF APPORTIONING SOME OF
THAT TO CERTAINLY BE USED.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ADDING MORE TO THAT.
BUT LOOKING AT WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY, HE MAY HAVE A PLAN FOR
THAT WITH THE SET-ASIDE MONEY THAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
I AM JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT BEFORE GOING FORWARD.
12:31:39PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I CLEARLY WON'T SPEAK FOR HIS BRILLIANCE
BUT I WILL SAY IS I THINK WHAT I AM HEARING IS A PUBLIC
SAFETY RESERVE, FROM OTHER RESERVES.
12:31:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED --
12:31:54PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
WE HAVE PERSONNEL RESERVES, EMERGENCY
RESERVES, FUND BALANCE, SO WE ARE LOOKING TO MAYBE LOOK AT A
PUBLIC SAFETY RESERVE.
AND I WILL SOCIALIZE THAT WITH HIM AND UPDATE COUNCIL IN THE
MEANTIME.
12:32:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WITH SPECIFIC DESIGNATION THAT IT NOT BE
TOUCHED FOR ANYTHING ELSE EXCEPT PUBLIC SAFETY.
12:32:11PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
AND THE BEAUTY OF THAT IS THAT WOULD HAVE
TO COME TO COUNCIL FOR A BUDGET AMENDMENT ANYWAY SO IT'S GOT
THE GUARDIANSHIP.

12:32:18PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THAT'S ALL PART OF THIS.
12:32:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
12:32:25PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
12:32:30PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
12:32:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:32:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
12:32:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
12:32:35PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
12:32:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
12:32:36PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:32:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU WANTED TO MAKE A
STATEMENT.
12:32:41PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I JUST WANT TO EXTEND THE COUNCIL TIME
TO 1:30.
12:32:45PM >> SECOND.
12:32:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
CHIEF TRIPP.
WE ARE NOW ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9, CM 22-78782.
STILL ON AGENDA 8.

WE GO TO NUMBER 9.
12:33:15PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
BARBARA TRIPP, FIRE CHIEF.
I HAVE PART OF MY ADMINISTRATION HERE AS WELL AS IN THE
AUDIENCE, AND JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR LOOKING INTO A
PLAN AS FAR AS FOR THE FUTURE OF TAMPA FIRE RESCUE. I WANT
TO THANK LOCAL 754 AND ITS MEMBERS FOR COMING HERE AS WELL.
SO TO PRETTY MUCH ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS WHEN IT COMES
TO PUBLIC SAFETY, AS FAR AS WHAT WE NEED, WHAT WE DON'T
NEED, I KNOW COUNCILMEMBER VIERA ASKED FOR A MASTER PLAN
PRIOR TO GIVING THIS POSITION.
SO WHEN I GOT IN THIS POSITION OF COURSE NOT KNOWING
ANYTHING OR HAVING ANYTHING, STARTING IT FROM SCRATCH.
FOR THE LAST 21 MONTHS, BEING SWORN AND THIS ADMINISTRATION
HAVE MADE SOME CHANGES TO THE CONCERNS OF WHAT WE FOUND,
OKAY.
EVERY DAY I AM FINDING SOMETHING OUT ABOUT TAMPA FIRE RESCUE
WHEN IT COMES TO EQUIPMENT.
YOU WANT TO PUT THE BULLETS UP, I CAN PUT THOSE UP AS WELL
SO THAT YOU HAVE THEM.
THESE ARE SOME BULLET POINTS THAT I HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN
DISCUSSING.
ONCE AGAIN I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE A MASTER PLAN BECAUSE I
NOTICE FROM THE PREVIOUS ACCREDITATION THAT WE DID A
STRATEGIC PLAN THAT GOES ALONG WITH ACCREDITATION.
SO TALK ABOUT STRATEGIC PLAN, LIKE A FIVE-YEAR PLAN OF WHAT

THEY ARE LOOKING FOR AND TO TRY TO MAKE TAMPA FIRE RESCUE
THE BEST DEPARTMENT NOT ONLY IN TAMPA -- I'M SORRY, IN
FLORIDA, BUT IN THE NATION AS WELL.
SO AS WE TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT BULLETS HERE, THE FIRST
CONCERN WE TALKED ABOUT ENSURING THE HEALTH AND SAFETY AND
WELFARE OF SWORN AND NONSWORN.
OF COURSE THAT IS MY TOP PRIORITY TO MAKE SURE THESE
FIREFIGHTERS ON THE STREET ARE DEFINITELY PROTECTED BOTH
MENTALLY, PHYSICALLY, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS
ADMINISTRATION IS THERE FOR THEM.
SO WHEN I CAME IN, WE HAD A LINE OF DUTY INTERLACED THAT WAS
OVER 40 PEOPLE.
WE ARE DOWN NOW TO 20.
WHAT HAS TAKEN PLACE IS BASED ON THE EQUIPMENT WE HAVE AT
THE SCENE, INCREASED THE BIKE INJURIES, WE ACTUALLY HAVE
HEALTH, DEPARTMENT AS WELL, OF COURSE TO ASSIST WITH ANY
TYPE OF MENTAL HEALTH.
AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS OUT THERE, IF PEOPLE ARE
INVOLVED INTO LIKE A SERIOUS SITUATION TO HELP WITH THAT
MENTAL HEALTH PART.
WHEN I TALK ABOUT DECREASING THOSE NUMBERS, BECAUSE IF I
DON'T MAKE MY CREW HAPPY, OR SAFE, THEY CANNOT BE ON THE
STREET.
SO THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE SAFE.

SUSTAIN OUR NATIONAL ACCREDITATION, OF COURSE THAT'S THE
ACCREDITATION ON FIRE, SO BASICALLY THIS IS OUR -- WE JUST
RECEIVED OUR THIRD ACCREDITATION, OF COURSE.
ONCE AGAIN DURING THE INTERIM OF TIME WHEN I BECAME INTERIM
WITHIN TWO WEEKS WE HAD TO STEP UP TO THE ACCREDITATION.
SO ONCE AGAIN JUST TRYING TO SEE WHAT THE PREVIOUS
ADMINISTRATION HAD AND GOING OVER ALL THE INFORMATION TO
MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO RECEIVE THAT ACCREDITATION
AGAIN.
SO WHAT THAT ACCREDITATION IS, IT EMPOWERS TAMPA FIRE RESCUE
TO EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY ON THE RISK IN THE AREAS AND HOW
TAMPA FIRE IS PREPARED FOR THESE ASSESSMENTS.
SO THIS ACCREDITATION ACTUALLY SHOWS THE STRENGTH OF TAMPA
FIRE RESCUE AS WELL AS SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY MIGHT
HAVE FOR US, AND OF COURSE THEY HAD A COUPLE OF
RECOMMENDATIONS, AND OF COURSE THIS ADMINISTRATION IS ALSO
BEEN WORKING ON THAT.
SO ONCE AGAIN THESE LAST 21 MONTHS WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TO
TRY TO MAINTAIN THAT ACCREDITATION, SO TIME TO MAKE SURE
WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO TAMPA FIRE RESCUE BEING THE BEST OF
THE BEST, THAT ACCREDITATION, IS IDENTIFIED.
AND INDUSTRIAL STANDARD FOR EMS PARTNERS.
WE KNOW THE RESPONSE TIME HAS BEEN A BIT OF CONCERN WITHIN
THE CITY OF TAMPA.
A LOT WAS THE REHAB, THE RIGHT EQUIPMENT, WHEN YOU TALK

ABOUT DISPATCH, DISPATCH GOING OUT.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS WAY PRIOR TO THIS ADMINISTRATION
HERE, AND OF COURSE WITH THE CHANGE OF ADMINISTRATION, WE
HAVE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY TO TRY TO GET THAT TAKEN CARE
OF.
TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A UNIT TO GO RESPONDING TO A CALL, OF
COURSE, ONCE AGAIN, DISPATCH SYSTEM, OUR COMPUTER AID
DISPATCH SYSTEM THAT'S OUT THERE NOW, OVER 28 YEARS OLD.
OF COURSE, ONCE AGAIN THIS ADMINISTRATION IS LOOKING TO FIND
THE BEST VENDOR TO PROVIDE THAT.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE PREVIOUS VENDOR THAT WAS THERE
REALIZING THAT PROGRAM WASN'T GOING TO WORK FOR TAMPA FIRE
RESCUE, IT WAS DISCONTINUED.
WE SHALL IN THE PROCESS NOW JUST IF YOU PLEASE IRK UP THE
RFP FOR THAT.
WE SHOULD BE SELECTING A VENDOR TO HELP US GET THAT COMPUTER
UPDATED TECHNOLOGY COMPUTER AID DISPATCH SYSTEM.
WE ALSO HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH LOCAL DEPARTMENTS.
OF COURSE WITH THE HOSPITALS.
AS YOU KNOW, SOME OF YOU ALL WENT TO SOME OF THE EMPC
MEETINGS AND SAW THAT RESPONSE.
THE TIME BEING AT THE HOSPITAL HAS BEEN DECREASED.
WE ALSO WORK WITH LOCAL BLS UNITS AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THEY
ARE AVAILABLE TO BE ABLE TO RUN SOME OF THE CALLS THAT SHALL
NON-ALS UNITS SO THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE WE HAVE BEEN WORKING

ON ALSO.
BEING IN THIS POSITION, AND AS I TALKED TO THIS
ADMINISTRATION, SOMETIMES I DON'T KNOW HOW WE HAVE DONE IT,
BUT I REALIZE THAT TAMPA FIRE RESCUE HAS BEEN WORKING
INEFFECTIVE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AND MY GOAL IS TO TRY TO
TURN THAT AROUND AND MAKE SURE WE ARE WORKING EFFECTIVELY
FOR THE COMMUNITY AND AS WELL AS PEOPLE THAT WORK WITH US,
OUR CO-WORKERS.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, ONE OF THE THINGS I AM LOOKING TO DO
IS KIND OF REORGANIZE THE STRUCTURE OF TAMPA FIRE RESCUE.
WAY MEAN BY THAT IS I WANT TO REAL-INDICATE RESOURCES TO
WHERE IT'S NEEDED.
WE TALK ABOUT DOWNTOWN TAMPA, WE HAVE A LOT OF HIGH-RISES
GOING UP, WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT EQUIPMENT DOWN HERE.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ONE PARTICULAR DISTRICT THAT HAS TWO
AERIAL LADDERS WITHIN TWO MILES AND NO HIGH-RISES THERE.
THAT SHOULD BE SHOULD BE WHERE THE RESOURCES IS NEEDED.
AND I AGREE, DOWNTOWN TAMPA.
BUT AS WE LOOK AT SOME OF OUR STATIONS, I AM GOING TO SPEAK
ABOUT STATION 19, WHICH IS IN SOUTH TAMPA.
I WAS ON A JOB, BUT I WASN'T ONE MAKING DECISIONS WHEN THEY
REBUILT THE STATION, DID NOT PUT A RESCUE CAR THERE.
THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A PLUS.
THAT'S A BRAND NEW STATION.
IT HAS THE OVERHEAD, A RESCUE CAR SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE

FROM DAY ONE.
ONCE AGAIN WITHIN THE LAST 21 MONTHS THIS ADMINISTRATION SAW
THAT, LET'S SEE HOW WE CAN -- WHEN I SAY PUTTING RESOURCES
WHERE THEY NEED TO PUT, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A STATION, ONE OF
MY SPECIALTY STATIONS, THE EQUIPMENT FOR THAT SPECIALTY
STATION IS LOCATED IN DIFFERENT AREAS.
OKAY.
ALL THAT EQUIPMENT SHOULD BE IN ONE LOCATION.
OKAY.
I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH REAL ESTATE TRYING TO FIND A
PERFECT LOCATION TO MAKE SURE THAT STATION IS, AND EQUIPMENT
IS ALL IN ONE-STOP SHOP BECAUSE NOW IF SOMETHING WAS TO
HAPPEN, I HAVE TO HAVE A UNIT OR PERSONNEL TO GO RETRIEVE
THOSE EQUIPMENTS FROM TWO DIFFERENT AREAS, ONE WAY DOWN IN
SOUTH TAMPA, ONE IN YBOR CITY.
SO MY GOAL, WHEN I SAY WE ARE REALLOCATING, PUTTING THOSE
RESOURCES WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.
I HAVE ADDITIONAL STATIONS THAT DON'T HAVE ALS UNITS THERE.
WHY?
I DON'T KNOW.
BUT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING AS FAR AS INCREASING, WHEN I SAY
DORMITORY, THE SPACES FOR THE INDIVIDUALS TO EVENTUALLY MOVE
THEM IN THERE.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, WHEN I TALK ABOUT FIRE SUPPRESSION
STANDARDS, THAT'S ALSO ONCE WE GET THESE RESOURCES OUT THERE

THAT'S GOING TO HELP DECREASE THE USE OF SOME OF THE
APPARATUS THAT SHOULD NOT BE GOING ON CALLS, AND THAT'S MY
PLAN.
SUSTAIN AND IMPROVE FOR THE CITY.
SO BASICALLY RIGHT NOW THE ISO IS RATING 2.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TO TRY TO GET THE ISO RATED 1 BECAUSE
ONCE AGAIN THAT DOES HELP THE COMMUNITY WITH THEIR
ASSURANCE.
SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM THE
ISO DEPARTMENT IS TO -- WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THAT, EACH
ONE OF THE ADMINISTRATORS DIVISION CHIEFS HAVE BEEN WORKING
ON THAT TO MAKE SURE WHEN IT'S TIME FOR US TO GET RENEWED
THAT WE SHOULD BE VERY CLOSE, IF NOT RECEIVING THE ISO
RATING OF 1, AND OF COURSE THAT'S GOING TO HELP OUT THE CITY
OF TAMPA.
AND OF COURSE IF YOU ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT, OF COURSE,
THAT JUST SHOWS HOW WE PREPARE, OR PREPARE FOR ANY TYPE OF
FIRES IN THE CITY.
SEEK SITE CONTROL FOR NECESSARY FIRE STATIONS FOR NOW AND IN
THE FUTURE.
ONCE AGAIN THAT'S WHAT I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON, STATION 24,
CROSS OUR FINGERS.
WE HAVE A LOCATION.
WE ARE JUST GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS NOW OF GETTING IT
SURVEYED.

BECAUSE 21 MONTHS AGO, PROBABLY A LITTLE LONGER THAN THAT
WHEN I WAS TOLD THAT NORTH TAMPA NEEDED HELP, THIS
ADMINISTRATION MADE SOME CHANGES TO IT.
BUT NOW WHERE ONE ENGINE WAS RUNNING MORE CALLS THAN THE
ENTIRE CITY, WE PUT ANOTHER SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE UP THERE
AS WELL.
NOW WE KIND OF EQUALIZE.
NOW WE HAVE TO FIND THE LOCATION TO PUT THAT.
AND WHAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR LIKE I SAY IS UP IN THE
NORTH TAMPA AREA, AND WE ARE HOPING THAT THE RESULTS COME
BACK REAL SOON SO WE CAN GET THAT STATION BUILT.
WHEN I TALK ACQUIRING PROPERTY AS I STATED EARLIER, I HAVE
BEEN WORKING WITH REAL ESTATE.
WE HAVE SOME LEADS ON SOME AREAS IN A PARTICULAR AREA FOR
THAT SPECIALTY UNIT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GET THE
RESOURCES WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO.
SO THAT HAS BEEN WORKING.
I HAVE MONTHLY MEETINGS WITH MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS.
I HAVE WEEKLY MEETINGS WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES AND THE CODES OF
THE CITY OF TAMPA TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE
NEED AS FAR AS MAKING SURE THE PAPERWORK AND STUFF IS DONE,
AND DONE AND COMPLETED, AND COMPLETED IN A PROFICIENT TIME.
WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, WE ARE TALKING
ABOUT FACILITY FLEET TO SEE WHERE OUR EQUIPMENT IS.

ONCE I GOT HERE, ONCE AGAIN IN THIS POSITION, JUST TO SEE
THE OUTDATED EQUIPMENT, I REACHED OUT TO THE CFO AS WELL AS
THE FLEET DEPARTMENT, AS WELL, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET
THINGS TAKEN CARE OF.
NOW GRANTED BECAUSE OF COVID, WE HAVE HAD A DELAY WHEN IT
COMES TO MANUFACTURERS, AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH BEEN LIKE A
24-POINT TURN WHAT ROUND WITH ANY APPARATUS THAT WE CAN
PURCHASE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE WORKING ON.
YESTERDAY WE WENT TO WINTER HAVEN TO OVERSEE 15 -- ACTUALLY
FROM THIS COMPANY THAT WE HAVE ORDERED, PAID FOR LAST YEAR
AND THEY SHOULD BE HERE WE ARE HOPING AND PLANNING FOR THE
END OF THIS YEAR IN F NOT THE FIRST OF NEXT YEAR.
THAT'S 15 UNITS WITHIN THESE 21 MONTHS.
WE HAVE ORDERED THREE ADDITIONAL ENGINES.
WE GOT ONE TILLER ON THE WAY.
WE ORDERED TWO HEAVY RESCUE UNITS.
WE HAVE ORDERED THREE ENGINES TWO, HEAVY DUTY RESCUES, A
TILLER, AS WELL AS THE 15 RESCUE CARS.
THANK YOU.
SO MY NEXT BULLET IS TALKING ABOUT DIVERSE RECRUIT, SELECT,
TRAIN AND RETRAIN THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST.
SO HERE, ONCE AGAIN, THE BUDGET FOR 2021 WAS ALREADY
COMPLETED PRIOR TO ME GETTING IN THIS POSITION.
WHEN I CAME IN AND FOR 22 BUDGET, I WENT TO ADMINISTRATION

AND SAYS, I NEED 30 MORE PEOPLE TO HELP PUT THEM WHERE THEY
NEED TO GO, THE RESOURCES WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.
THEY GAVE ME 57.
SO WHAT I AM DOING NOW, OR THIS ADMINISTRATION IS DOING THAT
WE ARE HIRING, EVERY CHANCE WE GET WE BRING INDIVIDUALS IN,
MAKE SURE WE GET THE APPROPRIATE INDIVIDUALS FOR WHAT WE
NEED TO SERVICE THE COMMUNITY.
WITH THAT, LAST YEAR WE HAD FOUR CLASSES.
OVER THESE LAST 21 MONTHS THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS HIRED
ABOUT 120 PEOPLE.
IT ALSO HAS ACCOUNTED FOR PEOPLE WHO HAS LEFT FOR
RETIREMENT, FOR WHATEVER REASON.
WE HAVE KEPT THOSE NUMBERS WHICH IS GREAT, BECAUSE WE ARE
NOT GOING BELOW.
SO MY NEXT BULLET TO PROVIDE THE BEST EQUIPMENT APPARATUS TO
MEET OUR GOALS.
ONCE AGAIN SAFETY IS NUMBER ONE WITH ME.
WE HAVE RECEIVED A GRANT THAT ACTUALLY ALLOWED US TO GET 13,
BUT WHEN I SAY POWER STRETCHERS, THESE ARE STRETCHERS THAT
WILL HELP DECREASE INJURIES WHEN IT COMES TO THE INDIVIDUALS
THAT ARE LOADING THE PATIENT UP IN THE BACK OF A UNIT.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE HAD A LONG TIME AGO,
BUT ONCE AGAIN WE ARE WORKING TO GET THERE, SO WE HAVE 13
NEW ONES INSIDE THE NEW CAR.
WE HAVE CONVERTED QUITE A FEW OVER.

WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF CONVERTING MORE.
ONCE AGAIN I TALK ABOUT SAFETY.
WE AREN'T TALKING ABOUT EQUIPMENT.
WE HAVE DEVELOPED CERTAIN EQUIPMENT TO HELP THESE
INDIVIDUALS TO DO WHAT KNEE R THEY NEED TO DO ON THE JOB
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MONITORS AND STUFF.
WE ARE UPDATING ALL THAT EQUIPMENT THAT'S NEEDED.
SO LAST BUT NOTE LEAST, INSURE THE BEST LEVEL OF OPERATION.
SO AS DEPUTY CHIEF JOHNSON STATED, WHEN IT COMES TO SPECIAL
EVENTS WE DO WORK A LOT OF PARTNERS.
THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT, HE WORKED WITH A LOT OF
LOCAL AND STATE LEVEL AGENCIES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE UP
TO PAR. WHEN IT COMES TO EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS, HIS TEAM
MAKES SURE THAT WE GET OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND EDUCATE.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE QUARTERLY EVENTS IN DIFFERENT DISTRICT
COUNCIL AREAS TO EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY ABOUT SAFETY WHEN IT
COMES TO PREPARING FOR STORMS, WHEN IT COMES TO SUPER BOWL,
WHEN IT COMES TO -- WE GET OUT AND TRY TO PROMOTE NOT ONLY
WITH THE COMMUNITY BUT WITH OUR INTERNAL EXTERNAL PARTNERS.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TRAINING, I ONCE AGAIN REALIZED THAT
THERE WERE CERTAIN AREAS THAT WE NEEDED TO DO SOME
ADDITIONAL TRAININGS BECAUSE OF THE AGENCY THAT'S HERE.
THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS REACHED OUT, AND WE ARE GETTING THAT
TRAINING IN TO MAKE SURE THE INDIVIDUALS NOT ONLY ARE
MEETING THE RESPONSE BUT ALSO THE LEVEL OF TRAINING THAT

THEY NEED TO BE THE BEST OF THE BEST.
SO I KNOW EARLIER WE TALKED ABOUT AS FAR AS DOING A MASTER
PLAN, AND GRANTED, THANK YOU, BECAUSE I THINK WE DO NEED
ONE, BUT THE PROBLEM THAT FIRE IS GOING TO HAVE SINCE I HAVE
BEEN IN THIS SEAT, A PERFECT EXAMPLE, YESTERDAY WE FOUND
MORE INFORMATION WHEN IT COMES TO PURCHASING OUR
INDIVIDUALS, AND I THINK IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE YEARS AGO.
EVERYTHING IS EVOLUTION.
THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS REACHED OUT.
WE WORK WITH SO MANY DIFFERENT PARTNERS, AND WE ARE GETTING
TAMPA FIRE RESCUE WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE GO.
ONE OF THE MAIN ISSUES THAT WE WILL HAVE WHEN IT COMES TO A
MASTER PLAN ESPECIALLY IF WE ARE LOOKING FOR RESPONSE TIMES,
BECAUSE I KNOW THE UNION AND I HAVE THAT HERE, I KNOW THEY
DID IN 2019, ALONG WITH SOME OF THE CHANGES I HAVE DONE, A
LOT OF THOSE NUMBERS HAVE -- MEMBERS HAVE CHANGED.
I HAVE ADDED A LOT OF ADDITIONAL STATION WHICH IS STATION 25
WHICH HOUSES TWO ALS TRANSPORT UNITS.
WE PUT STATION 19, RESCUE 19 AND SERVICES.
I AM LOOKING TO ADD ADDITIONAL RESCUE CARS TO THE STATIONS
WHO DO NOT HAVE A RESCUE CAR TO HELP BRING THAT RESPONSE
TIME, OR INCREASE THAT RESPONSE TIME.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE INCREASED THE LEVEL OF SERVICE
OF ALL OF OUR TRUCK COMPANIES AS WELL.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE COMMUNITY MEETING SERVICES,

ESPECIALLY ADVANCED LIFE SERVICE, EVERYONE ON TAMPA FIRE
RESCUE IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE INSTEAD
OF BEING LIMITED.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, IT'S CONSTANTLY EVOLVING.
AND IT'S CONSTANTLY CHANGING.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RESPONSE TIME, WE TALK ABOUT
EQUIPMENT, IT'S JUST SO MUCH INTO IT NOW, I JUST THINK IF WE
DO GO OUTSIDE OR INTERNAL TO GET THAT MASTER PLAN TO COME IN
HERE, A LOT OF OUR NUMBERS ARE NOT GOING TO BE ACCURATE
BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS IS WE DON'T HAVE THAT CAD SYSTEM.
SO I AM JUST HOPING TO HAVE THAT CAD SYSTEM IN PLACE REAL
SOON.
I HAVE LIKE I SAY, MY ADMINISTRATION STAFF HERE TO BE ASSIST
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS IN ANY OF THE DEPARTMENTS.
12:49:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WAS HOPING TO GO TO -- LET'S HOLD OFF OUR
QUESTIONS UNTIL WE HEAR FROM BOTH.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, CHIEF.
LET'S HAVE 754.
NOW, YOU ARE THE PRESIDENT OF LOCAL 754.
STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND ARE YOU GOING TO BE THE
SPOKESPERSON FOR 754, ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE GROUP TODAY?
12:50:24PM >> YES, SIR.
NICK STOCCO, TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS LOCAL 754.
FIRST THING I WANT TO DO IS I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE IN THIS
ROOM INCLUDING THE EXECUTIVE STAFF.

WE HAVE BEEN HEAR SINCE THIS MORNING AND THE FIRE CHIEF
BROUGHT OUT HER ENTIRE SCUFF STAFF.
THE ENTIRE EXECUTIVE STAFF IS OUT HERE AND WE ARE NOW BEFORE
ZONING WAS PUT BEFORE US.
I WANT TO THANK THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR BEING HERE AS WELL
AS THE 30 MEMBERS OF THE LOCAL 754 BEHIND ME.
SO IF THIS DOES EXTEND A LITTLE INTO THE 1:30 RANGE OR THE
1:40 RANGE, I HOPE WE CAN RESPECT THE TIME FRAME THAT WE
HAVE ALLOTTED HERE, SO PLEASE, THANK YOU.
I APOLOGIZE IF ANYTHING THAT I SAY MAY BE MISTAKEN.
IT MAY BE JUST SOME PASSIONATE DEAL.
YOU KNOW ME.
THERE IS A LITTLE SLIDE PRESENTATION THAT I CREATED, SO IF
WE MAY PUT IT UP THERE ON THE SCREEN.
12:51:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IT IS UP THERE.
12:51:30PM >> THANK YOU.
I AM NOT SURE IF THE CAPTIONS WILL MESS WITH THE WRITING IN
CASE ANYONE WANTS TO LOOK AT IT BUT THIS IS SOMETHING WE
CREATE ON BEHALF OF FIREFIGHTERS.
THE FIREFIGHTERS UNION.
AND IT WAS TO BRING SOME THINGS TO LIGHT.
ONE OF THE THINGS IS HOW DO WE GET HERE?
HOW DO WE GET TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY?
LOOKING AT THIS COUNCIL HERE, IN FRONT OF US AND IN THESE
CHAMBERS, MOST OF YOU GUYS WERE HERE BACK IN 2019.

MAYBE A LITTLE PRIOR TO THAT.
I KNOW COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK MAY BE NEW.
FOR US NOW, WE ARE GOING TO DO A LITTLE HISTORY LESSON AND
WE ARE GOING TO EDUCATE ON HOW WE GOT HERE.
A MOTION WAS MADE IN EARLY 2020.
AND THAT MOTION WAS TO TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT YOU ALL
HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
AND THAT WAS TO CREATE A MASTER PLAN.
A WORKSHOP WAS DONE IN 2021 TO WHERE EVERYTHING WAS SUPPOSED
TO BE BROUGHT TOGETHER.
SEVERAL COUNCIL MEETING PRESENTATIONS.
THE UNION HAS DONE SEVERAL COUNCIL MEETING PRESENTATIONS.
AND THERE HAVE BEEN MANY ATTEMPTS TO HAVE THE CITY PRESENT A
STRATEGIC PLAN OR MASTER PLAN ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY DEFICITS.
FOR THAT, IN NOVEMBER 19, 2020, THE MOTION WAS MADE BY
COUNCILMAN VIERA --
I CAN'T SEE NOW WITH THE CAPTIONS.
SORRY ABOUT THAT.
THE MOTION WAS THAT STAFF APPEAR BEFORE COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER
19, 2020, TO PROVIDE A VERBAL REPORT ON A MASTER PLAN THAT
CONSIDERS ALL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA'S PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS.
THAT WAS IN NOVEMBER 19, 2020.
WE THEN CARRIED INTO JANUARY WHERE ANOTHER MOTION WAS MADE,
AND THAT A WORKSHOP ON A PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN BE
SCHEDULED FOR MARCH 25, 2021 AT 9:00 A.M. TO ADDRESS THE

FOLLOWING ISSUES BUT NOT LIMITED TO, AS WE HEARD RECENTLY,
RESPONSE TIMES, NEW TAMPA INQUIRY ON FIRE STATIONS, NORTH
TAMPA, CHANNELSIDE, A DISCUSSION ON THE MONETARY PATH AND
OPTIONS ON TO BUILD A MONETARY BRIDGE TO GET THERE AS WE
KNOW CITY COUNCIL DOES PLANNING AND DOES APPROVE THE BUDGETS
FOR THE FUTURE.
IN ADDITION, STAFF ADDRESSED THE MASTER PLAN VISION TO BE
PRESENTED AT THE MARCH 25, 2021 WORKSHOP.
FAST FORWARD TO MARCH 25, 2021, THE WORKSHOP WAS CONDUCTED
HERE AT COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
AND THAT CAME OUT, HIRE CONSULTANTS.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO SAID WHY DON'T WE HAVE CONSULTANTS?
COUNCILMAN CITRO SAID WE NEED HELP NOW.
WHAT ARE CONSULTANTS GOING TO TELL US?
THE UNION HAS PROVIDED US WITH THE STUDY DONE BY THE
INTERNATIONAL.
FAST FORWARD TO THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS THERE WAS A MOTION
TO SHARE THE MASTER PLAN WITH THE FIRE UNION.
THE FIRE UNION WAS NOT GIVEN ANY INFORMATION FROM THIS
CURRENT STAFF.
THE MOTION WAS TWO WEEKS AGO WAS TO PRESENT TO THE FIRE
UNION WORKING TOGETHER ON HOW TO BE ABLE TO GET THIS DONE.
WE HAD TO FILE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST TO GET THIS
INFORMATION.
IT WASN'T GIVEN TO US.

AT LEAST TWO WERE DONE BY FITCH AND ASSOCIATES.
THE ONE WE WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN WAS MARCH 22.
HOW MUCH DID THESE REPORTS COST THE CITY?
I WOULDN'T KNOW.
I FILED A PUBLIC RECORDS AND I STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT
ANSWER BACK BUT MAYBE YOU ALL CAN LOOK INTO IT.
THESE REPORTS SAY THEY COMPARED TO THE GIS UNION STUDY.
THE ONE WE DID IN AUGUST OF 2022 AND FOUND LIGHT TRAITS.
I KEEP HEARING ISO RATING.
HOW MUCH FITCH AND ASSOCIATES OBSERVED SOME RESPONSE TIME
VALUES AND ALSO OBSERVED THE VALUE THAT 90% OF THE TIME IN
THAT SECOND SENTENCE, WE HAVE A 13.1 MINUTE -- WE WILL GET
THERE WITHIN A 13.1 MINUTE RESPONSE TIME.
I AM NOT SURE HOW THAT RATING S.
IF YOU LOOK DOWN AT THE BOTTOM THE OBSERVATION DONE BY THIS
COMPANY FITCH AND ASSOCIATES, THEY ALIGNED OUR INTERNATIONAL
CONSULTANT, GIS REPORT ALONG WITH WHAT FITCH SAID IN THE
RESPONSE TIME.
IF WE TAKE ON AVERAGE, ON AVERAGE WE ARE ABOUT 8.9 MINUTES.
THAT'S FROM A ALARM TIME TO TIME ON SCENE.
THAT'S FROM WHEN THE INCIDENTS HAPPENS TO THE DEFIBRILLATOR
ARRIVES.
HEART ASSOCIATION SAYS ANYTHING OVER 6 MINUTES, THE BRAIN
SUFFERS PERMANENT BRAIN LOSS.
AS YOU CAN SEE ON AVERAGE, WE DON'T EVEN MEET THE NEEDS FOR

AMERICAN HEART TO BE ABLE TO PREVENT ANY KIND OF BRAIN
DAMAGE.
THIS WAS ALSO FOUND IN THE STUDY.
THIS STUDY WAS DONE IN MARCH OF 2020.
THEY HAVE A DATE OF MARCH 2022.
SO I DON'T PRESUME THIS TO BE OUTDATED.
SIX RESCUES WERE AT OR ABOVE THE UPPER UTILIZATION OF .30
WITH AN ADDITIONAL 3 RESCUES AND ENGINE 13 AT OR ABOVE
RECOMMENDED PLANNING THRESHOLD OF 425.
FURTHER DOWN IT SAYS ENGINE 13 INCLUDING ENGINE 13, THERE
ARE NINE ENGINES ARGUABLY TOO BUSY FOR LARGE APPARATUS.
THE WORKLOAD ON THE ENGINES AND THE TRUCK COMPANIES IS
PRIMARILY EMS RELATED.
OBSERVED SIX RESCUES AS WELL AS THE NINE ENGINES AND THE
RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS ENCOURAGED EMS
DEPLOYMENT STRATEGY THAT ADEQUATELY ACCOUNTS FOR CLINICAL
QUALITY, WORKLOAD FOR BOTH EMS AND FIRE RESOURCES.
AS WE SEE IN THE WORKLOAD BY STATION, STATION 1 WAS THE
BUSIEST STATION DURING 2019, AND STATION 13 WAS THE SECOND
BUSIEST.
WE HAVE NOT ADDED ANYTHING TO STATION 1.
WE HAVE ADDED A RESCUE 24 TO STATION 13, YES.
STATION 1 HAS NOT SEEN ANY ADDS.
IF YOU LOOK TO THE RIGHT COLUMN PERCENTAGE OF TOTAL BUSY
HOURS, STATIONS 1 AND 13 EQUATE TO OVER 20% OF THE BUSY

HOURS IN THE CITY.
STATION 13 IS ALSO PUSHING 30 THERE.
STATION 1 IS DOWNTOWN.
THE STUDIES PRESENTED IN AUGUST OF 22, PREVIOUS TO MY
ADMINISTRATION, PREVIOUS TO ANDREW'S, DATING BACK TO
PROBABLY JOE GRECO STINT, A DOWNTOWN SERVICES THIS AREA, AND
WE WOULD BE UNABLE TO PROTECT THIS AREA SUCCESSFULLY ONCE IT
WAS COMPLETED.
I ENJOY WATER STREET.
I AM SURE YOU DO ALSO. IT'S DONE.
NO RESOURCES HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THAT AREA.
IT'S 9 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF MIXED USE.
THESE HIGH-RISES THAT ARE ON HERE, THEY REQUIRE MANPOWER.
AND SHORTLY I WILL HAVE A LITTLE PRESENTATION AS TO HOW MANY
PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY NEEDED BUT THESE HIGH-RISES NEED
STAFFING.
A LADDER ISN'T GOING TO GET TO THE TOP OF THE BANK OF
AMERICA BUILDING, BUT PEOPLE INSIDE STAIRWELLS WILL.
I WOULD LIKE TO PLAY THIS SMALL PRESENTATION ON 17-10.
12:59:33PM >> 1710.
THE INDUSTRY STANDARD FOR CAREER FIRE DEPARTMENTS.
BUT WHAT IS IT?
AND WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR OUR COMMUNITY?
YOUR HOUSE IS ON FIRE.
IT'S WORE WORST NIGHTMARE. IN JUST THREE MINUTES A FIRE CAN

GROW 16 TIMES LARGER THAN WHEN IT STARTED AND CONTINUES TO
GROW BIGGER AND FASTER EVERY SECOND.
ONCE THE CLOCK STARTS TICKING THERE'S A SHRINKING WINDOW OF
OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE LIVES AND PROPERTY.
YOU WANT A FULL CREW OF FIREFIGHTERS TO PUT IT OUT QUICKLY,
OR YOU MAY SUFFER A CATASTROPHIC LOSS.
BUT HOW MANY ARE ENOUGH?
50?
120?
40?
HOW DO YOU DECIDE?
FORTUNATELY, THERE'S AN INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED INDUSTRY
STANDARD.
IT'S CALLED NFPA 1710, AND IT'S BASED ON SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE
AND RESEARCH THAT ESTABLISHES HOW MANY FIREFIGHTERS ARE
NEEDED TO PUT OUT EACH FIRE AND RESCUE ANYONE TRAPPED.
AT A FIRE SCENE YOU WANT A FIREFIGHTER DOING EVERY JOB THAT
NEEDS TO BE DONE TO SAVE YOU AND YOUR HOUSE, AND AT A FIRE
THERE'S A LOT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE LIKE STRETCHING THE
HOSE, HOOKING TO A HYDRANT, SEARCHING FOR TRAPPED PEOPLE,
VENTING THE HOT GASES AND MUCH MORE.
FOR A LOW-HAZARD SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE FIRE NFPA 1710
SPECIFIES A MINIMUM OF 15 FIREFIGHTERS DISPATCHED IN THE
INITIAL ALARM.
AT AN OPEN AIR STRIP SHOPPING CENTER OR GARDEN APARTMENT

FIRE, THE STANDARD SPECIFIES A MINIMUM OF 28 FIREFIGHTERS
DISPATCHED IN THE FIRST ALARM, AND FOR FIRES IN HIGH-RISE
BUILD BUILDINGS AT LEAST SEVEN STORIES TALL THE DATA SHOW
THAT THE INITIAL DISPATCH SHOULD BE FOR A MINIMUM OF 43
FIREFIGHTERS, AND THAT FIRE DEPARTMENTS SHOULD SEND
ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS TO SITUATIONS THAT ARE BEYOND THE
CAPABILITY OF THE INITIAL ALARM.
WHEN CONSIDERING CREW SIZE ON EACH ENGINE AND TRUCK
RESPONDING TO A FIRE, THE STANDARD SAYS THAT IN LOW HAZARD
RESPONSE AREAS LIKE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, THE REQUIRED
NUMBER OF FIREFIGHTERS ON EACH FIRE ENGINE AND TRUCK IS
FOUR.
IN AREAS WHERE THE HIGH NUMBER OF INCIDENTS OR GEOGRAPHIC
RESTRICTIONS LIKE NARROW ROADS, SINGLE ACCESS BRIDGES OR
ISLANDS, A MINIMUM OF FIVE FIREFIGHTERS ON EACH FIRE ENGINE
AND LADDER TRUCK IS REQUIRED.
AND IN DENSE URBAN AREAS WITH HIGH-HAZARD OCCUPANCIES, LIKE
HIGH-RISE BUILDINGS, THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF FIREFIGHTERS ON
EACH FIRE ENGINE OR TRUCK IS SIX.
REGARDLESS OF THE TYPE OF PROPERTY, 1710 ALSO SETS THE TIME
OF ARRIVAL ON SCENE ON THE FIRST ENGINE WITH FOUR
FIREFIGHTERS.
THE 1710 STANDARD, THE RESPONSE TIME AND CREW SIZE, IS BASED
ON SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE, NOT OPINION.
THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF STANDARDS AND TECHNOLOGY, KNOWN AS

NIST, CONDUCTED EXTENSIVE RESEARCH THAT OPTIMIZED THE
OPTIMAL CREW STRUCTURES FOR VARIOUS STRUCTURES.
AS A DECISION MAKER YOU WANT FIREFIGHTERS TO SHARE A CAN
COMMON ROLE, EVERYONE GETS OUT ALIVE.
SO WHEN A HOUSE IS ON FIRE, JUST REMEMBER, IT TAKES A
MINIMUM OF 15 FIREFIGHTERS TO PUT IT OUT.
AND THE RESPONDING CREWS SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT NUMBER OF
FIREFIGHTERS ON EACH ENGINE AND TRUCK.
THE QUICKER THE RESPONSE TIME, THE BETTER THE OUTCOME FOR
EVERYONE.
FOR MORE INFORMATION, TALK TO YOUR LOCAL FIREFIGHTERS.
THANKS FOR LISTENING.
AND STAY SAFE.
1:04:01PM >> THANK YOU.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT INFORMATION THERE IS NATIONAL STANDARD.
NO CALCULATIONS MADE.
IN 1710 THERE'S AN INDUSTRY STANDARD AS WELL.
I CAN GO BACK TO THE PowerPoint SLIDE, PLEASE.
CURRENTLY OUR STAFFING IN THE CITY FOR DAILY MINIMUM
STAFFING IS 162.
WHICH IS BELOW THOSE RECOMMENDED NUMBERS THAT THE NFPA
CURRENTLY SETS. IF WE WERE TO FOLLOW AN NFPA 1710, NOT ONLY
TWO OF THE ENGINES, AN ENGINE AND TRUCK WOULD HAVE FIVE.
EVERY OTHER ENGINE WOULD HAVE FOUR PEOPLE ON IT.
MINIMUM STAFFING NUMBERS SHOULD BE 182.

THAT'S 20 MORE PEOPLE PER SHIFT TO MAINTAIN MINIMUM, JUST
WITH THE RESOURCE THAT WE HAVE.
THIS ISN'T ADDING NEW RESCUES.
THIS ISN'T ADDING NEW ENGINES.
THIS IS JUST TODAY'S RESOURCES FOLLOWING THE NATIONAL
STANDARD, NOT HAVING SIX ON A TRUCK OR SIX ON AN ENGINE.
SO THE ENGINES HAVE BEEN COMING WITH FIVE SEATS FOR A
REGION.
IT'S TO PUT PEOPLE ON THEM.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE UNION ESTIMATES AT MINIMUM, 74
PERSONNEL TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH TODAY'S RESOURCES.
IN JUNE OF 2021, TAMPA FIRE RESCUE REPORTED 695 UNIFORMED
FIREFIGHTERS.
ON JANUARY 1, 2023, TAMPA FIRE RESCUE REPORTED 732 UNIFORMED
FIREFIGHTERS.
THE ADMINISTRATION AS STATED HIRED OVER 100 FIREFIGHTERS.
HOWEVER, THROUGH RETIREMENT AND ATTRITION IT HAS INCREASED
BY LESS THAN 40.
THREW ATTRITION THESE ARE SENIORITY LISTS THAT ARE
PROVIDED -- THIS IS A PUBLIC RECORD.
THIS IS A SENIORITY LIST THAT GETS PROVIDED TO ALL THE
MEMBERS.
APPARATUS.
IN MARCH 2021, THE WORKSHOP STATED THAT WE ARE BEHIND LIFE
EXPECTANCIES.

17 FIRE ENGINES, 17 RESCUE TRANSPORT UNITS, THREE AERIALS,
FIVE AERIALS BY THE END OF THIS YEAR, AND SINCE THAT TIME,
FROM WHAT WE KNOW, WE HAVE ONLY RECEIVED THREE VEHICLES.
SO IN ALMOST TWO YEARS WE HAVE RECEIVED THREE VEHICLES.
ANOTHER EXAMPLE AS TO WHY HAVING A PLAN IS CRITICAL.
OUR FIREFIGHTERS ARE IN DANGER OF PERFORM THEIR JOB SAFELY
AND IF A FIREFIGHTER IS INJURED WHILE PERFORMING DUTIES
BECAUSE OF UNSAFE EQUIPMENT THE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE TO
ANSWER TO THIS.
STATION 13 AND STATION 1 ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR 20% OF THE
CALLS, 20% OF THE WORK HOURS, THAT TAMPA FIRE RESPONDS TO.
IF THERE'S A WAY TO IMPLEMENT THE PROGRAMS TO GET RESOURCES
BACK ON THE STREETS, WE CAN IMPLEMENT THE PEEK PROGRAM TO
GET OUR RESPONSE TIMES DOWN.
90% OF THE TIME, FOR US TO BE THERE WITHIN 13 MINUTES IS NOT
ACCEPTABLE.
NINE MINUTES ON AVERAGE OF A RESPONSE TIME IS UNACCEPTABLE.
THINGS ARE BEING BUILT IN OUR CITY WITH FIRE STATIONS AND
RESOURCES ARE APPARENTLY ON BACK ORDER.
IN CONCLUSION, THE COUNCIL HAS ASKED FOR A ONE-YEAR,
FIVE-YEAR, TEN YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN TO ADDRESS THE PUBLIC
SAFETY NEEDS.
WE HAVE HIRED MULTIPLE CONSULTANTS.
WE HAVE ASKED FOR ALL THE EXTENSIONS.
WE MADE ALL THE MOTIONS.

WE NEED TO PUT THE PLANS INTO MOTION, IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
IN 2008 THERE WAS A CRISIS OF SOME AIR PACKS, AND THIS
COUNCIL HAD TO APPROVE SIGNIFICANTLY LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY
TO HAVE REPLACE AIR PACKS BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TO BE OUT
OF DATE, SO WE HAD TO RUSH TO TRY TO GET SOME MONEY TO BUY
AIR PACKS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT A MASTER PLAN WILL DO IS BE ABLE TO
HELP US BUDGET SO THESE THINGS DON'T GO BEFORE COUNCIL SO
THERE AREN'T ANY SURPRISES.
IF I CAN BE ON THE OVERHEAD, PLEASE.
HERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF SOME STRATEGIC PLANS.
WE HAVE SOME AS FAR BACK AS 2008 AND THESE PLANS GIVE AN
IN-DEPTH LOOK OF WHAT IS NEEDED, HOW MANY AMBULANCES, AND
YOU GET THE GIST OF IT.
HERE IS ANOTHER ONE FROM 2015 TO 2020.
THERE'S A STRATEGIC PLAN.
BUT WE ARE MAKING IT WORK.
WE REACHED OUT TO THE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST SINCE THAT
SEEMS TO BE THE WAY I CAN GET INFORMATION.
AND THIS IS ONE FROM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE.
THAT'S A MASTER PLAN DATED JANUARY 2017.
IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THESE PAGES, IT GIVES HISTORICAL
RECORDS, AND IT GIVES DATA MAPPING TO WHERE IT EVEN INCLUDES
FISCAL YEAR 31, 2031.
GIVES SOME DOTS, SOME FUNDING.

HERE IS INFORMATION ON HOW TO GET THERE FINANCIALLY IN THIS
PLAN.
AS WE WATCHED NEW COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, THEY ARE HAVING
INCREASE IMPACT FEES.
TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT GETTING THE LAST BITE OF THE
APPLE.
HERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES.
THIS IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR, AND THE FIRST RESCUE UNIT ON THE
SCENE, RESPONSE TIME WITHIN 7 MINUTES, 90% OF THE TIME.
OURS IS 13.1.
ALMOST DOUBLE.
AS YOU SEE, WHEN THIS WAS MADE IN 2017, THERE'S FUNDING,
REBUILDING, FUNDING.
IN PLANS ON HOW TO GET THERE.
AS FAR AS FISCAL YEAR 2031, AND THIS IS MADE -- THIS WAS
MADE IN 2017.
AND I BELIEVE AS WE SPEAK, THEY ARE ACTIVELY WORKING ON
UPDATING THESE REGULARLY.
AS WE UNDERSTAND THINGS CHANGE, POPULATION GROWTH MAY GET
DIFFERENT.
UNLESS WE GET A GOOD BASELINE ON A MASTER PLAN WE WILL BE
ABLE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS.
HOWEVER, AS WE ARE WITNESSING WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE OF
YEARS, IF WE FAIL TO PLAN, AND WE ARE PLANNING TO FAIL.
SO I WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

1:11:13PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND THANK YOU, MR.
STOCCO, FOR YOUR VERY DETAILED REPORT HERE.
I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
YOU KNOW, I WILL BE HONEST, AND SHARE THIS WITH THE
ADMINISTRATION, BEFORE I WAS CONFUSED WHEN I SAW WHAT WAS
PUT FORTH BY TAMPA FIRE RESCUE BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF
DISCUSSIONS ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN.
WHAT I SAW WAS KIND OF AN ANALYSIS ON WHAT'S BEEN DONE.
I GUESS IF I COULD DESCRIBE THE PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN,
IT'S OUR REALISTIC ASPIRATIONS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE
HAVING PUT FORWARD AS A CITY, AND I DIDN'T SEE THAT TODAY,
ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF A COUPLE OF CONTINUANCES.
I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DATES BUT I KNOW THIS WAS COMING TO
US A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, THEN IT WAS CONTINUED MAYBE TILL A
MONTH AGO THAT WE PUSHED FORWARD TILL TODAY, SO THAT'S KIND
OF MY CONFUSION ON THAT IN TERMS OF WHAT HAPPENED TO THE
PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN.
MY BELIEF WAS IT WAS ACCIDENTALLY PRESENTED, DO WE NEED
CONSULTANTS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, IT'S SOMETHING TAMPA FIRE
RESCUE COULD TAKE CARE OF.
YOU KNOW, MR. STOCCO WENT THROUGH VERY WELL THE HISTORY OF
HOW THIS HAS BEEN PUSHED TIME AND TIME AGAIN THROUGH MOTIONS
IN TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, ET CETERA.
I WENT THROUGH MY OWN MOTIONS BECAUSE I SAW THAT IN JANUARY
23rd OF 2020 IT WAS PROPOSED, THEREAFTER WE DEALT WITH

IN THE NOVEMBER 19 OF 2020, A MOTION I DID FOR STATION 13,
CHANNELSIDE, DOWNTOWN, NORTH TAMPA, ET CETERA, AND AGAIN AND
AGAIN AND AGAIN AFTER THAT, AND AGAIN I REPEAT, WHAT I
REALLY WANT OUT OF A PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN IS KIND OF
LIKE I TOLD THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, TO LOOK AT WHERE
DEFICITS ARE AT, TALK THROUGHOUT ALL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA,
TALK ABOUT THE MONETARY AMOUNT THAT THOSE DEFICITS ARE GOING
TO REQUIRE TO BE REMEDIED, AND THEN THROW THE BALL TO CITY
COUNCIL, AND THEN WE DEAL WITH HOW TO PREPARE THOSE
DEFICITS.
WE KNOW WHERE THEY ARE AT, THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF TAMPA.
BUT, FOR EXAMPLE, I AM NOT A FIRE SPECIALIST.
FAR FROM IT, RIGHT?
I WAS IN NEW TAMPA TWO DAYS AGO AT K-BAR RANCH AND PEOPLE
TALKING ABOUT RESPONSE TIMES AND PEOPLE SAYING, DO WE NEED A
NEW STATION DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION WE NEED A CUT-THROUGH?
AND I SAY, HEY, LISTEN, IF WE CAN GET SIX HAIL MARYS A DAY,
THAT WILL REDUCE RESPONSE TIME.
AND LET'S DO THE SIX HAIL MARYS, RIGHT? WE KNOW WHERE THE
DEFICITS ARE AT THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE CHALLENGES
SOUTH OF GANDY.
WE KNOW EAST TAMPA, WEST TAMPA WITH SO MUCH WORKFORCE
HOUSING GOING THERE.
DOWNTOWN, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
NEW TAMPA, NORTH TAMPA.

AND VERY APPRECIATIVE OBVIOUSLY FOR THE HARD WORK BEING DONE
ON STATION 25.
BUT WHAT I WANTED WHEN WOO I THINK THIS COUNCIL WANTED WAS
VERY COMPREHENSIVE REPORT, KIND OF LIKE YOU SAW WITH THE
LOCAL 754 REPORT, TO TALK ABOUT THE RECEIVE SITS, AND TO
TALK ABOUT HOW WE CAN REMEDY THEM.
I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT HERE TODAY.
I KNOW A CONSULTANT'S REPORT FROM A YEAR AGO WAS FORWARDED
BUT DIDN'T SEEM TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE MOTION.
SO THAT'S MY CONFUSION THAT I AM EXPRESSING.
I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS FEEL THE SAME.
1:14:19PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
CAN I SAY SOMETHING?
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE MASTER PLAN, LIKE I EXPLAINED TO
YOU, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE ONE.
DON'T GET ME WRONG.
THE CITY IS GROWING.
SOME ANOTHER'S AREAS THAT WE NEED TO BE LOOK INTO AS WELL AS
GET THE DEPARTMENT.
BUT AS I TOLD YOU EARLIER TODAY, THIS ADMINISTRATION CAME
IN, EVERYONE IS NEW, STARTING FROM SCRATCH.
PRIOR TO EVERYTHING, WHERE IS IT GOING, WHICH WAY -- AND
MAKING SURE THAT WE PROVIDE THE SERVICE THAT WE NEED.
THAT BEING SAID THAT'S WHAT THIS ADMINISTRATION IS DOING.
I THINK LOCAL 754 AS FAR AS THEIR CONCERNS AND STUFF, AND
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT NOT GETTING INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, IT'S

KIND OF SAD WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE MANPOWER.
YES, WE DO HAVE MANPOWER BUT EVERY DAY I AM DEALING WITH
DOUBLE DIGITS CALL AROUNDS.
WE HAVE ONE HUNDRED AND -- THE AVERAGE FIREFIGHTER GETS PAID
FOR 104 DAYS A YEAR.
THEY GOT 260 DAYS OFF.
BUT I AM STILL GETTING DOUBLE CALLOUTS, YOU KNOW, WHERE A
PERSON WORKS 206 DAYS, AND I WILL BE LUCKY EVERY QUARTER DO
I GET ONE IN TWO CALLOUTS.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, YOU KNOW, IF I HAD THE PEOPLE HERE,
THOSE NUMBERS, BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY HAVE A LITTLE OVER 230
EVERY DAY AND OF COURSE WE HAVE THE ANNUAL LEAVE AND ALL OF
THAT IN CONSIDERATION, BUT IT DOESN'T HELP WHEN I HAVE THE
DOUBLE DIGIT CALLOUT EVERY DAY AS FAR AS STAFFING.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO THAT, AS FAR AS STUFF WE NEED, THAT'S
WHAT WE ARE WORKING ON, BUT ONCE AGAIN WE COME IN, AND LET'S
SAY AT THE BOTTOM, YOU KNOW.
AND ME PERSONALLY, LIKE I SAY, IT'S KIND OF HARD FOE IN HE
TO SIT HERE AND GIVE FIVE, TEN.
I CAN GIVE YOU A ONE-YEAR WAR WE HAVE DONE IN THE LAST YEAR
IS PROBABLY WHAT WE ACCUMULATED OVER THE LAST -- WE CAN
PROJECT FIVE YEARS BECAUSE OF ORDERING ALL THE EQUIPMENT AND
STUFF AND PERSONNEL.
THAT'S WHAT WE ARE WORKING ON.
IF YOU WANT SOMETHING WITHOUT DATA IN IT BECAUSE EACH WITH

THE DATA THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT WITH TAMPA FIRE RESCUE WITH
THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND STUFF, MY QUESTION IS, ESPECIALLY
WHEN YOU HAVE EQUIPMENT THAT'S NOT WORKING, HOW TRUE IS
THAT?
SO HOW CAN WE GET THAT DATA TO BE ABLE TO SHOW OUR MATRIX
AND WHAT WE NEED AND WHERE WE NEED THOSE RESOURCES AT.
SO ONCE AGAIN, THE RECOMMENDATION, EVEN THOUGH THAT FITCH
WAS REPORT WAS DATED MARCH OF LAST YEAR, THIS ADMINISTRATION
HAS BEEN WORKING ON THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE WE RAN
90,000 CALLS IN 2020 AND 80,000 OF THEM WAS MEDICAL CALLS.
THAT'S WHAT I AM SAYING IS RESOURCES.
ONCE WE GET THOSE RESOURCES IN PLACE AND STUFF, IT WOULDN'T
BE A PROBLEM, A YEAR FROM NOW, ONCE WE GET THE CAD SYSTEM IN
TO BE ABLE TO SEE EXACTLY WHERE DO WE NEED RESOURCES BECAUSE
WE ARE WORKING INEFFECTIVELY, YOU KNOW.
AND WHEN I SAY INEFFECTIVELY, MEANING WE HAVE STATIONS AND
EQUIPMENT NOT WHERE IT SHOULD BE.
SO OF COURSE THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE A DELAY IN RESPONSE TIME.
1:17:18PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MAY I RESPOND, SIR? JUST VERY BRIEFLY.
I UNDERSTAND THERE'S CHALLENGES, MAYBE PERSONNEL CHALLENGES,
MAYBE NOT.
BUT AGAIN WHAT I AM GETTING AT IS THE REQUEST THAT I THOUGHT
WAS MADE A COUPLE MONTHS AGO WE HAD AN AGREEMENT ON
SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE PRESENTED TODAY AND I AM HEARING
SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

THAT'S MY MAIN ISSUE.
I GO BACK TO JUST BASIC ELEMENTS OF THE REPORT THAT I
MOTIONED FOR MANY TIMES, CITY COUNCIL AGREED TO, BUT I
THOUGHT ADMINISTRATION HAD BOUGHT INTO IN THE LAST BUDGET
WHICH WAS TO HAVE A BUDGET MASTER SAFETY PLAN COME TO US.
I WILL PROBABLY MAKE THE SAME MOTION THAT I MADE FOR TAMPA
POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR TAMPA FIRE RESCUE.
BUT AGAIN THE DISTINCTION IS, WE HAVEN'T HAD AS MANY PUBLIC
ENGAGEMENTS WITH TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WITH TAMPA FIRE
RESCUE ON THIS REPORT COME FORWARD.
I MEAN, WE HAVE ABOUT 30 FIREFIGHTERS HERE FROM THE UNION.
YOU THINK THERE'S A LOT OF AT THE VERY LEAST CONFUSION ON
THAT POINT THAT WAS MADE.
IN MY OPINION.
AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCIL MEMBERS SHARE THAT CONFUSION,
BUT I DO.
1:18:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
1:18:20PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU GUYS DON'T LEARN.
YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO LEARN.
EVERYBODY HAS A BOSS.
AND SHE GOT A BOSS.
THIS MAN CAN PULL UP A FITCH REPORT.
YOU JUST DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
WHEN I LOOK TO SEE THAT PERSON -- PUT IN RESCUE CARS IN
CERTAIN AREAS, AND I WAS DISAPPOINTED ABOUT THE CADS.

I TALKED DOWN TO THE COMMUNICATION GUY BECAUSE I GOT UPSET
ABOUT THAT.
COMMUNICATION, THAT STILL HASN'T GOT DONE.
I TALKED TO THE ACHIEVE ABOUT THAT AND THEY THOUGHT -- I
DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS CHIEF OR WHATEVER BUT IT DIDN'T WORK.
SHE WENT OUT RIGHT AWAY, TO CITIES OF OUR SIZE, TO FIND A
SYSTEM.
RFPQ, SO HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE PUT IN PLACE AND ONE ISSUE
OFF THE TABLE.
14 AND 1.
WE TALKED ABOUT DOWNTOWN.
WE TALKED ABOUT CRA BEING A PART OF THAT.
WE TALKED ABOUT DEVELOPERS IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA.
SHE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE REPORT.
SOMETIMES IT TAKES A WHILE TO MUTT THINGS IN PLACE.
LIVES DO MATTER.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT 13, WE HAVE TWO RESCUE CARS UP THERE,
LOOKING FOR ANOTHER STATION UP THERE.
I GO BACK TO THE REPORT.
SO WE ARE TRYING TO WORK ON THOSE AREAS.
BUT I GUESS THE GIST OF IT ROE AND MR. VIERA IS RIGHT.
THIS IS WHERE IT COMES TO GOVERNMENT.
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET ANGRY WHEN I SAY THIS.
SEE, WHEN YOU HAVE TWO FORMS OF GOVERNMENT, AND ONE IS IN
CHARGE OF RUNNING THE CITY, MR. VIERA ASKED FOR SOMETHING TO

BE DONE.
WE GET CONTINUED OR ROUNDABOUT MOVE ASKED TO BE DONE.
NOW FOR ME, REGARDLESS IF THE CHIEF, OR THE ADMINISTRATION,
DID NOT WANT TO PROVIDE A MASTER PLAN TO PAY FOR IT, AND
ACTUALLY TOLD THIS COUNCIL WE DON'T WANT IT, PERIOD.
I HAVE BEEN IN THE GAME.
I KNOW HOW IT IS AS A CITY EMPLOYEE. YOU GET PLAYED ALL THE
TIME.
THIS MAN FILED A REPORT.
THE PROBLEM WAS HOW LONG IS THE COUNCIL -- YOU KNOW, WE HAVE
THIS FORM OF GOVERNMENT THAT HAS BEEN HYPED UP FOR SO MANY
DECADES, AND THE FIRST TIME YOU HAVE WHAT I CALL A DECENT
REAL COUNCIL WHO FOUGHT BACK ON ISSUES, CONCERNS, BECAUSE WE
WANT THE FACTS.
SO I AM CONCERNED THAT SOMETHING WAS DONE, BUT WHAT I CAN
SEE, CHIEF, I CAN SEE YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING.
WE HAD A FIRE CHIEF BEFORE THAT DIDN'T GET THE JOB DONE.
CAN'T BLAME YOU FOR THINGS THAT HAPPENED BEFORE YOUR WATCH,
MANIFESTED FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
CAN'T BLAME UP FOR THAT.
I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE GOT BOSSES.
REGARDLESS OF WHO IS THE FIRE CHIEF, YOU HAVE BOSSES.
SOME THINGS YOU MIGHT 2022 GET DONE.
SOMETIMES YOU ARE TOLD YOU DON'T DO THAT AND THE GAME IS
PLAYED.

MR. JOHNSON PROTECTS THE ADMINISTRATION.
ONE DAY THIS COUNCIL HAS TO REALIZE, REGARDLESS, WE ARE
PROTECTORS OF THIS HOUSE.
OUR CONSTITUTION, WE TALK ABOUT THIS CONSTITUTION WE HAVE IN
THE CITY.
WE ARE PROTECTORS OF THIS HOUSE.
IRREGARDLESS.
WHEN THE PUBLIC COMES IN, IT'S THEIR HOUSE.
SO I THINK IN ALL FAIRNESS, I WON'T BE HERE TO SEE IT R BE
LISTENING AND I WILL COME TO THAT MIKE WHEN I SEE ISSUES
COME BACK THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT.
BUT IN ALL FAIRNESS, I WON'T BLAME THE CHIEF TODAY.
IT'S NOT WHAT WE WANTED.
I SAID THAT EARLIER.
BUT I DO THINK IRREGARDLESS WE DON'T HAVE THE CAD, I THINK
THE STUDY CAN BE DONE AND PRESENTED IN A MASTER PLAN FORM.
I HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT.
AND IF IT IS WRONG, IT'S WRONG.
BUT I THINK YOU WILL GET SOME THINGS.
YOU HAVE ADDED CARS, YOU HAVE ADDED PEOPLE.
NOW YOU TELL ME THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE, DOUBLE DIGIT NUMBERS.
THAT'S A PROBLEM.
AGAIN, I AM JUST GOING BY WHAT THE CHIEF SAYS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU GOT THAN WHAT SHE'S TELLING YOU
RIGHT NOW.

AGAIN, I TALKED ABOUT THAT DISPATCH.
IT THAT'S WHAT CAN HAPPEN.
WE HAD A CONVERSATION A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, SAID WE CAN LOOK
INTO THAT SO SOME OF THAT IS GOING TO COME TO FRUITION AND
GET THE OTHER DISPATCH LINE.
BUT I AM NOT GOING TO BLAME YOU TODAY.
I AM NOT GOING TO BLAME ANYBODY.
I AM JUST GOING TO SAY MOVING FORWARD, LET'S JUST GO AHEAD
AND GET THE MASTER PLAN.
CONTINUE TO DO WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
AGAIN, NOT BEING AFRAID TO SAY WHAT THE TRUTH IS.
I THINK THAT'S THE KEY TO THIS WHOLE SITUATION.
BUT LIKE I TELL EVERYBODY, SHE DOES HAVE A BOSS.
1:25:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
1:25:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND FIRST I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE.
I KNOW WE ARE GOING ON HOURS AND HOURS OF YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
AND THANK YOU TO NICK STOCCO WHO IS ALWAYS IN COMMUNICATION.
YOU ARE CALLING ALL THE TIME WITH CONCERNS, AND YOU HAVE
MENTIONED A QUOTE, SOMETHING THAT I SAID.
WHY ARE WE WASTING MONEY ON CONSULTANTS?
I UNDERSTAND WE NEED CONSULTANTS, WHATEVER.
IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS.
BUT HERE WE HAVE THE DATA.

AND IF THE DATA SHOWS 17 ENGINES ARE OUTDATED, 17 RESCUE
UNITS ARE OUTDATED, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH HIRES, 9 MINUTE
RESPONSE TIME AVERAGE IN TAMPA WHERE THE STANDARD IS 4
MINUTES, WE KNOW THE GOALS WE NEED TO BE AT.
SO INSTEAD OF SPENDING MONEY ON CONSULTANTS TO TELL US WHAT
WE ALREADY KNOW, THE DATA IS ALREADY THERE, WHAT WE NEED TO
FIND AS A COUNCIL AND AS A CITY IS IN THE BUDGET TO ADDRESS
THESE PROBLEMS, START SETTING GOALS, SAYING BECAUSE OF
ATTRITION WE HIRED SO MANY, BUT SO MANY ARE RETIRING,
WHATEVER THE REASON IS, WE ARE NOT MEETING THE STANDARD.
I AM NOT BLAMING ANYBODY.
I AM JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE PROCESS EASIER BECAUSE THE DATA
IS HERE, WE KNOW THE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE, WE KNOW THE DOLLAR
AMOUNT, AND I UNDERSTAND WITH INFLATION AND EVERYTHING,
EVERYTHING IS MORE EXPENSIVE.
THE LONGER WE WAIT THE MORE EXPENSIVE IT'S GOING TO BE.
BUT WE NEED TO DO THIS.
TACKLING THE BUDGET INSTEAD OF DRESSING AND SAY OVER THE
NEXT TWO OR THREE YEARS, X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS WE ARE GOING TO
ADDRESS REPLACING THESE ENGINES, REPLACING THESE RESCUE
UNITS, HIRING MORE PEOPLE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT MORE
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE RETIRING SO WE MAINTAIN THE LEVEL OF
SERVICE AND THAT BALANCE AS WELL AS ADDRESSING THE NEED FOR
MORE FIRE STATIONS.
YOU MENTIONED THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR PROPERTY ALSO AS I

MENTIONED WITH THE POLICE, TAMPA IS GROWING RAPIDLY, AND
MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE MOVING HERE.
WATER SHOE WAS MENTIONED, A CITY WITHIN A CITY, WHERE YOU
HAVE ONE STATION THAT IS GOING TO BE RESPONDING TO THAT.
HOW WE FILL THAT GAP.
WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
IT'S ABOUT US VOTING YES AND SUPPORTING THE BUDGET.
THE MAYOR, THE CFO, FINDING THE MONEY, OR LOOKING AT
DIFFERENT AVENUES AS TO HOW WE REACH THESE GOALS.
YOU ARE DOING THE BEST THAT YOU CAN DO.
, I BELIEVE.
BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CONSULTANTS AND MASTER PLANS, WE HAVE
DATA.
I AM TAKING BRIEF NOTES HERE BUT A PRESENTATION WAS MADE OF
THE GOALS THAT WE NEED TO ACHIEVE.
I THINK IT'S SIMPLE IN GETTING THERE.
WE ARE WASTING A LOT OF TIME MOTIONS AND WAITING AND THIS
AND THAT WHERE THE WORK HAS BEEN DONE FOR US AND IT'S ABOUT
MEETING THOSE GOALS.
SO THAT'S IT.
IT'S EASIER THAN IT LOOKS AND DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SO
COMPLICATED.
THANK YOU.
1:27:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
1:27:45PM >>BILL CARLSON:
AS COUNCILMAN GUDES SAID, THIS IS A

SITUATION WHERE CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN ASKING FOR THREE YEARS
FOR SOMETHING, AND THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN ASKING FOR IT, THE
UNIONS HAVE ASKED FOR IT AND WE WON'T HAVE IT YET.
WHEN WE FOUND OUT TWO WEEKS AGO IN THE ELECTION AND SOME OF
MY COLLEAGUES ARE STILL OUT THERE, IS THAT THE PUBLIC TAKE
THAT ARE VOTING ARE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON, THEY ARE VERY
CONCERNED AND TELLING US THEY WANT ACCOUNTABILITY, THEY WANT
THE TRANSPARENCY THAT WE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR, AND THEY
SUPPORT US IN ASKING FOR THAT, AND I THINK WE ARE GOING TO
HEAR FROM THEM MORE AND MORE GOING FORWARD.
WHEN WE ASKED FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AND IT DOESN'T
HAPPEN, AND IT DOESN'T HAPPEN OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THERE ARE
TWO THOUGHTS THAT PROBABLY WE AND THE PUBLIC HAVE.
ONE IS THAT THE PERSON BEING ASKED DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO DO
IT, OR, NUMBER TWO, THAT THEY ARE HIDING SOMETHING, OR THE
ADMINISTRATION IS HIDING SOMETHING, OR THAT THE
ADMINISTRATION HAS TOLD PEOPLE NOT TO DO IT.
KIND OF WHAT MY COLLEAGUES SAID.
IF WE RESPOND IN A WAY WHERE WE GET ANGRY OR A LITTLE
EMOTIONAL ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE ARE FRUSTRATED, THEN THE
COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT PUSHES OUT THAT WE ARE CRAZY AND
EMOTIONAL AND WE CAN'T CONTROL OURSELVES, WHEN IN FACT THE
PROBLEM IS THAT WE ASK FOR SOMETHING BECAUSE THE PUBLIC
WANTS IT FROM US, AND THE ADMINISTRATION IS NOT DOING IT.
COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT HAS A LOT OF TIME AND RESOURCES TO

TAKE VIDEOS OF THE MAYOR WITH A DOG ON BAYSHORE DURING THE
HURRICANE BUT NOT COMMUNICATE WITH CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THERE'S ALL KIND OF STUFF GOING OUT, BUT FOR SOME REASON
THERE WAS NOBODY IN THE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT OR ANY OF
THESE OTHER DEPARTMENTS WHO COULD HELP WITH A CHIEF TRIPP
WITH A PLAN.
I THINK IT'S ABOUT PRIORITIES, BEING RESPECTFUL TO CITY
COUNCIL, THE PUBLIC WANTS TO SEE THIS INFORMATION.
BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS TODAY, AND THE PRIOR
CONVERSATIONS THAT CHIEF TRIPP HAS HAD, I BELIEVE THAT CHIEF
TRIPP HAS A HANDLE ON THE INFORMATION, THE UNION HAS A
HANDLE ON THE INFORMATION.
THE GAP IS THAT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO HELP CHIEF TRIPP WRITE
THIS.
THERE ARE ALL KIND OF BLOOMBERG PEOPLE.
ONE OF THEM CAN SIT DOWN AND DO THIS.
WHAT WAS YOUR MAJOR, GUIDO?
IT WAS ENGLISH BUT HE UNDERSTANDS EXACTLY WHAT NEEDS TO BE
DONE.
HE WENT THROUGH THE NUMBERS AND LAID OUT AN OUTLINE.
HAVE YOU WRITTEN A STRATEGIC PLAN BEFORE?
1:30:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A STRATEGIC PLAN, NO.
1:30:26PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SORRY TO SINGLE HIM OUT.
I HAVE, AND WE NEED THE GOALS, WE NEED THE METRICS THAT ARE
TIED TO HOW WE ARE GOING TO FIX THE GOALS, AND THEN WE CAN

ORGANIZE EITHER BY REGION OR BY SERVICE OR BY PRODUCT, SO
YOU HAVE CHIEF TRIPP, YOU WERE FRUSTRATED BECAUSE YOU NEED
THE DISPATCH SYSTEM OR WHATEVER IT IS, YOU NEED THIS AND
THAT, AND ONCE WE GET THAT THEN WE'LL HAVE THE DATA AND BE
ABLE TO UNDERSTAND.
ALL OF THAT ARE THINGS THAT YOU NEED.
AND SOMEBODY NEEDS TO HELP YOU WRITE ALL OF THAT DOWN, PUT A
COST TO IT AND PRIORITIZE IT.
THERE'S NOT AN UNLIMITED AMOUNT OF MONEY EVERY YEAR, SO WE
NEED TO MAP OUT OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS BASED ON POPULATION
GROWTH AND THE STANDARD OF METRICS, WE SAW A VIDEO THAT HAS
SOME STANDARD METRICS THERE, WE KNOW WE NEED TO REPLACE SOME
OF THE EXISTING TRUCKS, WE NEED MORE RESCUE VEHICLES, WE
NEED PROBABLY MORE STATIONS, WE ARE GOING TO NEED MORE
LADDER TRUCKS, WE ARE GOING TO NEED MORE OF THE PACKS AND
OTHER THINGS.
WE KNOW MANY OF THE STATIONS ARE OUTDATED.
THERE'S PROBLEMS WITH CARBON MONOXIDE AND FUMES IN SOME
STATIONS.
THEY NEED TO BE UPDATE ADD.
THE FIREFIGHTERS HAVE TO SLEEP ARE IN NOT VERY GOOD BUT IF
WE PUT ALL OF THAT DOWN IN A PLAN AND PUT THE HIGHEST
PRIORITY, HOW DO WE SAVE PEOPLE'S LIVES AND NOT GOING OVER
THE FIVE MINUTES OR WHATEVER THAT SOMEBODY DIES FROM A
STROKE OR HEART ATTACK.

WHAT IS THE BASIC THAT WE NEED BASED ON WHERE WE ARE RIGHT
NOW, AND THEN WE CONTINUE TO PRIORITIZE.
IF WE HAVE A HUGE INFLUX OF TAX MONEY THEN WE PRIORITIZE A
LITTLE BIT HIGHER, AND IF WE HAVE LESS MONEY WE PRIORITIZE
LESS, BUT SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FILL THESE
NEEDS AND WE NEED TO SET THE EXPECTATION OF THE MUST BE,
BECAUSE ONCE THE PUBLIC FINDS OUT ABOUT A LITTLE BIT OF THIS
INFORMATION, THE WORD IS GETTING OUT, THEY ARE INCREDIBLY
ALARMED.
THE SITUATION HAPPENED SOUTH OF GANDY, AND I WON'T TALK
ABOUT DETAILS, BUT IT WAS PUBLICIZE AND SPREAD ALL OVER
SOCIAL MEDIA AND PEOPLE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
THEY ARE LOOKING TO US AND THEY DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN THE ADMINISTRATION, CITY AND MAYOR.
THEY ARE JUST LOOKING TO THE CITY TOCK PROVIDE A PLAN TO
SHOW THAT WE GET THE MONEY WE ARE SOLVING THESE PROBLEMS.
AND WE ARE PRIORITIZING SOME OF THE PROBLEMS.
AND THEY WANT TO KNOW WHY THINGS LIKE $12 MILLION BOAT
HOUSES AND $40 MILLION PARKS ARE PRIORITIZED OVER BUYING
FIRE TRUCKS AND HIRING POLICE OFFICERS AND HIRING FIRE
PERSONNEL.
SO IF YOU ALL CAN HELP US, ONE OF US CAN SIT DOWN AND HELP
YOU WRITE IT, I GUESS, IF WE NEED TO.
BUT I THINK TO SHOW THAT THE CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR'S OFFICE
ARE WORKING TOGETHER, WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A ROBUST PLAN,

AND IT NEEDS TO HAVE THE OUTLINE OF ALL THESE THINGS IN IT.
AND I THINK CITY COUNCIL AN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, CHIEF TRIPP,
OR STAFF AND UNION CAN ALL WORK TOGETHER AND SHOW SOMETHING
THAT WILL BE IMPRESSIVE TO THE PUBLIC AND FULLY COMMUNICATE
AND BE TRANSPARENT.
THANK YOU.
1:33:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
1:33:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU CHAIRMAN.
IN FACT WHAT WE HAVE HERE ARE TWO SIDES THAT ARE TRYING TO
WORK TOGETHER BUT THEY ARE SO FAR APART.
MR. STOCCO AND THE INDIVIDUAL FROM 754, AND YOU HAVE THE
ADMINISTRATION AND THE CHIEF, AND WHEN YOU HEAR THE THINGS
AND PUT THEM INTO PERSPECTIVE, EVERYTHING, I BELIEVE BOTH OF
YOU.
BUT THE QUESTION IS HOW DO WE SOLVE IT?
I'M SURE THAT YOU HAVE HAD DIRECT CONVERSATION WITH THE
CHIEF.
I'M SURE OF THAT.
HOWEVER, HOW DO WE GET WHERE WE ARE GOING?
THE RESPONSE TIME IS 13.1.
THE AVERAGE TIME WAS 7 MINUTES INSTEAD OF 13.01.
49% GREATER THAN THE OTHER.
SO WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO BE 49% GREATER THAN THE OTHER
BECAUSE THE OTHER MAY NOT GET WHAT THEY NEED WHEN THEY NEED
IT MOST, AND THAT IS TO LIVE.

THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE VERY, VERY DEAR TO ANYONE'S HEART.
YOU HAVE YOUR WORKERS HERE, GREAT FIREFIGHTERS, I KNOW YOU
ALL HAVE CONTESTS ALL OVER THE STATE AND DIFFERENT THINGS
BUT HOW TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF A CRASHED CAR, IT'S AMAZING
WHAT IS DONE IN A FEW MINUTES.
AND LIKE I SAID TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU HAVE THE SAME
MENTAL CAPACITY AND SEE THINGS THAT NORMAL, NORMAL MEANING
WE DON'T WORK IN THE AREA THAT YOU DO, WE MAY BE TYPING OR
BUILDING SOMETHING OR WHATEVER IT IS, PAINTING OR WHATEVER,
BUILDING A HOUSE, YOU SEE THE OPPOSITE END OF WHAT SOCIETY
SEES.
YOU SEE THE TRAGEDIES.
IN MOST INSTANCES.
YES, YOU SAVE LIVES.
BUT US, IF A CAR, A BODY IS THERE BUT HALF OF IT IS MISSING,
WE DON'T SEE THAT.
YOU GUYS DO.
AND THAT'S A HARD THING TO LIVE WITH.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF VACANCIES DUE TO WHATEVER IT IS,
NO ONE EVER EXPLAINS WHAT IT IS TO US.
I WOULD IMAGINE BECAUSE OF INJURIES SOME OF SORT.
I AM JUST MAKING A GUESS.
SO I THINK THESE THINGS ARE SOLVABLE.
AND I THINK YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET IT OUT OF ONE BUDGET
CYCLE.

BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY FIREFIGHTERS ARE LEAVING.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ARE COMING OUT.
SO IT'S GOT TO BE FOR EVERY ONE TO LEAVE YOU HAVE TO HAVE
TWO, I GUESS, TO CATCH UP, IN THE TIME FRAME SO YOU DON'T
HIRE EVERY WEEK, YOU HIRE A GROUP AT A TIME, 15 OR 20.
I HAVE SEEN SOME OF THE CEREMONIES.
SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO WORK ON BUT IT'S GOT
TO BE BOTH SIDES SITTING DOWN AND SAYING, HERE IS HOW WE ARE
GOING TO END IT.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN TO SAY HERE IS HOW WE ARE GOING TO
GET FROM THAT 13.1 DOWN TO APPROXIMATELY 7%.
7 MINUTES, I SHOULD SAY.
AND I THINK THIS COUNCIL WANTS TO WORK WITH BOTH OF YOU.
I THINK YOU HAVE HAD CONVERSATION IN THE PAST AND YOU ARE
STILL TALKING TO EACH OTHER SO THAT'S WONDERFUL.
AND THAT'S WHAT I SEE COMING.
I WANT TO WORK WITH YOU.
COUNCIL WANTS TO WORK WITH BOTH SIDES TO GET THIS RESOLVED.
AND THE ENGINES NOW AND THE AMBULANCES, WHEN I CAME ON,
$100,000, NOW IT'S 400, 500,000 BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A
BIGGER CHASSIS, YOU CAN SAVE MORE LIVES, AND THEY TAKE A
BEATING.
THEY REALLY DO.
SO YOU NEED 350, 450, BUT A 550 RANGE TO HANDLE THE LOAD AND
TO HANDLE WHAT YOU HAVE IN THE STREETS.

THE ENGINES ARE TWICE AS EXPENSIVE OR THREE TIMES MORE THAN
WHEN I FIRST STARTED, AND RIGHTLY SO.
WHY?
THEY HAVE A LOT MORE CAPACITY, THEY CAN DO A LOT MORE THINGS
THAN THEY DID 30 TO 40 YEARS AGO.
AND THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO FOR THE
CITIZENS.
NOT FOR OURSELVES, BUT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT YOU GUYS WORK FOR
AND WE WORK FOR.
IT'S THE SAME ONE.
THAT'S OUR BOSS, THE CITIZENS.
SO I THINK BOTH OF YOU TOGETHER, WORKING TOGETHER, COMING UP
WITH A PLAN, YOU CAN'T BUILD ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER SIDE IN
THAT TYPE OF COMMUNICATION AND I AM NOT SAYING YOU HAVE DONE
THAT.
I AM SAYING BOTH OF YOU TRIED TO GET TO THAT POINT AND YOU
SHOULD GET TO THAT POINT.
WHATEVER MOTION, I THINK MR. VIERA IS TAKING THE LEAD, AND I
JUST 2022 SAY THAT WE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING EVERY MONTH OR
TWO MONTHS, AND A CONSULTANT IS FINE, BUT THE PROBLEM IS ALL
THE NUMBERS ARE HERE.
SO WHY SPEND THE MONEY ON A CONSULTANT IF ALL THE NUMBERS
ARE HERE, AND THEY ARE FACTUAL AND SUSTAINABLE, WHY ARE WE
GOING TO SPEND A NEW FIRE TRUCK AND GIVE IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE
THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE EQUIPMENT.

YOU CAN HAVE TWO OR THREE EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
LET'S FACE IT.
SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE NEEDED TO WORK A SITUATION
SO ALL OF US BEING THE CITIZENS GET THE BEST RESULT AND THE
BEST BUCK FOR THE DOLLAR SPENT.
A DOLLAR SPENT CAN BE A DOLLAR VALUE FOR EVERY DOLLAR SPENT
AND I THINK ALL OF YOU CAN DO THIS TOGETHER.
MR. VIERA IS TAKING THE LEAD SO I AM GOING TO GIVE THE LEAD
BACK TO HIM, BUT THOSE THINGS ARE DOABLE, AND I AM NOT IN
FIRE AND POLICE BUT SOMEONE IS.
I THINK THAT PERSON SHOULD WORK WITH YOU GUYS ON BOTH SIDE
OF THE ISSUE AND GET THESE THINGS RESOLVED.
I WANT TO THANK YOU, MR. STOCCO, THE UNION, AND THE FIRE
CHIEF NOR YOUR RESPONSE, AS COUNCILMAN GUDES SAID, VERY
SINCERE UP FRONT.
THANK YOU BOTH.
1:38:47PM >> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING REAL QUICK, NICK STOCCO,
754.
THE LOCAL AS WELL AS WITH ALL RESPECT TO THE FIRE CHIEF
FIRST BULLET POINT, HEALTH AND SAFETY.
I MENTION BEING OVERWORKED.
WE ARE OVERWORKED, AND BEING OVERWORKED, WHEN YOU SAW, WE
SEE THE DIFFERENT SIDE THAT YOU ALL DON'T SEE.
SO IF WE NEED THAT DAY, WE HAVE THAT LEAD.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT MENTION.

YOU TALK ABOUT PEOPLE NOT BEING AT WORK.
THANK YOU.
1:39:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO THANK BOTH OF YOU FOR YOUR
PRESENTATIONS.
IT KIND OF GOES BACK TO WHAT WE SAW WITH THE POLICE, BUT WAS
ILLUSTRATED QUITE HONESTLY WITH THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FIRE
RESCUE FOR 1710.
IT'S THE VISUAL, IT'S SUPER CLEAR AND EASY TO READ AND THEY
HAVE A PLAN GOING FORWARD.
I KNOW THAT THAT PROGRAM WILL HELP GET US TO THAT IDEALLY,
BUT IN ADDITION TO WHATEVER COUNCILMAN VIERA SAYS, I STILL
WILL SAY THAT A CONSULTANT CAN BRING THESE TWO THINGS
TOGETHER AND GO FORWARD.
WE DON'T HAVE TO STOP BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING, BUT I WOULD
LOVE TO SEE WHAT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY HAS FOR US GOING
FORWARD, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S DIFFICULT FOR
THEM TO UPDATE IT EVERY FEW YEARS BECAUSE THEY HAVE DONE THE
HARD WORK OF PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER.
SO WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON WHAT WE ARE
DOING, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING I'M HEARING THAT WE ARE
DOING, BUT WE HAVE A DEFICIT.
WE HAVE A LOT OF DEFICITS.
AND I KNOW SOMETIMES FOLKS ARE RECEIPT SENT TO SAY, HEY, WE
NEED HELP, BUT IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS THAT WE NEED HELP.
WE ARE DOING THE BEST WE CAN WITH WHAT WE HAVE, AND WE CAN'T

DO ANYTHING ABOUT THESE DELAYS FOR GETTING THIS EQUIPMENT,
BUT IF WE HAD HAD THAT PLAN IN PLACE, POSSIBLY WE COULD HAVE
DONE A LITTLE BIT MORE, AND IN THE FUTURE WE CAN DO MORE.
WE CAN PLAN FOR THIS.
SO THAT'S WHAT'S CONCERNING TO ME, IS WE JUST DON'T HAVE A
PLAN FOR WHAT'S COMING UP IN THE FUTURE.
I FEEL LIKE WE ARE WORKING INCREDIBLY HARD.
IT FEELS LIKE THE DUCK PEDDLING ON THE WATER WHERE IT SEEMS
LIKE IT'S GOING SEAMLESSLY TO THE PUBLIC BUT WE ARE PEDDLING
SO HARD TO TRY TO GET MORE BECAUSE WE OBVIOUSLY NEED MORE
AND THAT'S WHAT I MOSTLY HERE.
I AM ALSO CONCERNED THAT THIS IN THE FITCH REPORT THAT I SAW
PART OF WAS NOT PART OF SIRE FOR THIS.
I AM CONCERNED THAT WE DON'T HAVE A COPY OF THAT.
I HAVEN'T SEEN IT, SO I WOULD LOVE A COPY OF THAT REPORT AND
I WOULD LOVE IT TO BE UPLOADED TO SIRE SO THE PUBLIC CAN SEE
IT.
THE PUBLIC ULTIMATELY PAID FOR THAT.
SO THEY NEED TO SEE IT.
I ALSO HEARD SOMETHING FROM MR. STOCCO SAYING THAT HE
DOESN'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT COST.
AND THAT'S ALSO A GOOD POINT.
I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW HOW MUCH THIS CONSULTANT WAS PAID, AND
MAYBE THEY DID THESE THINGS THAT WE WANTED DONE.
I AM A LITTLE CONFUSED.

THIS WAS BEFORE I JOINED COUNCIL, BUT I AM A LITTLE CONFUSED
IF THERE WAS A REPORT DONE, WHY AREN'T WE USING THAT?
SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO ADD TO MR. VIERA'S MOTION, IS
TO MAKE THAT REPORT AVAILABLE NOT ONLY TO US BUT ABSOLUTELY
TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND SEE WHAT WAS DONE THERE.
I LOOK FORWARD TO MORE CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS.
BUT EVEN MORE, THE ACTION.
SO THANK YOU.
1:42:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
MR. VIERA, BEFORE YOU GO ON, WHAT I SAID EARLIER HOLDS TRUE
FOR THIS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CITIZENS TO FIREFIGHTER RATIO
NATIONAL STANDARDS, BUDGETING, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD 10%, MAKE
SURE THAT'S RESERVED SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY
AND CANNOT BE SPENT ANYWHERE ELSE, SO THAT IN THE CASE OF
WHAT WE SAW EARLIER WITH THE RESPIRATORS AND WHATNOT, WE
DON'T HAVE TO ASK FOR THAT MONEY COMING FROM COUNCIL.
IT WILL BE THERE AND AVAILABLE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. SHELBY.
MR. VIERA, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD.
1:43:36PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
AND PLEASE, IF THERE'S ANY AMENDMENTS TO THIS, I HAVE JUST
BEEN TAKING NOTES.
WHAT I DO WANT TO SAY, TO THE EXTENT SOMETIMES YOU HAVE GOT
TO PUSH ON THINGS.

I MEAN, I ALWAYS CREDIT LOCAL 754 WITH THE NORTH TAMPA
STATION 13, AND THE TERRIBLE THINGS THAT WERE HAPPENING
THERE, AND THE REAL PUSH THEY MADE TO AFFECT CHANGE ON THAT
FOR THE HARD WORKING MEN AND WOMEN OUT THERE, AND A LOT OF
TIMES YOU HAVE GOT TO PUSH.
SO I WANT THIS TO RETURN.
I HAD MOTIONED FOR POLICE TO RETURN IN AUGUST, BUT I AM
GOING TO PUSH FOR THIS, AND AGAIN COUNCIL DISCUSSED IT BE IN
JUNE, A LITTLE BIT BEFORE, JUST BECAUSE WE DISCUSSED THIS SO
MUCH WITH TAMPA FIRE RESCUE, MANY, MANY, MANY TIMES.
AND ON A COUPLE OF ISSUES WHICH IS NUMBER ONE TO DISCUSS THE
PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN WITH NEW STATIONS, RESPONSE TIMES,
WORKING CONDITIONS, CITIZEN TO FIRE RATIO, CHAIRMAN CITRO'S
10% RULE, AND EQUIPMENT -- THANK YOU, SIR, EQUIPMENT -- AND
THEN A CONSULTANT.
I AM WITH COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK ON THE CONSULTANT.
THAT'S ME.
I THINK IF WE DO SOMETHING IN-HOUSE, WE COULD POTENTIALLY
GET TO TODAY IN THREE MONTHS, AND I WILL TELL YOU WHAT, I
DON'T WANT THAT.
I DON'T WANT THAT.
SO, YES.
SO I AM PUTTING IN THERE A CONSULTANT.
I WILL MAKE A SEPARATE MOTION TO HAVE THAT REPORT AVAILABLE
TO THE PUBLIC.

I DON'T THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE ANYTHING BACK TO COUNCIL ON
THAT, GOD FORBID, RIGHT?
BUT LET ME MAKE THAT FIRST MOTION AND THEN I WILL MAKE THE
CONSULTANT.
1:45:15PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
[OFF MICROPHONE] THIS CONTINUALLY COMES
FROM THE TAXPAYERS.
THERE WAS A CONSULTANT -- BECAUSE YOU HAVE A FITCH REPORT.
I MEAN, ARE THEY NOT GETTING THAT?
1:45:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE REPORT THAT THE
PRESIDENT --
1:45:51PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
1:45:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WOULD YOU MIND TELLING US, WHERE DID YOU
GET THIS?
1:45:55PM >> STOCCO:
PULLED A RECORDS REQUEST.
1:45:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHERE DID THE REPORT COME FROM?
1:46:02PM >> THE CITY OF TAMPA.
1:46:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THE REPORTS THAT YOU SHOWED US FROM 2017,
2020?
1:46:08PM >> THE FITCH AND ASSOCIATES REPORTS.
1:46:15PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
THAT WAS 2022.
1:46:17PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
2022?
1:46:20PM >> THERE MAY BE MORE THAN ONE OUT THERE.
1:46:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
1:46:28PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WILL AMEND MY MOTION, OR MY SECOND,
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS AMENABLE TO THIS, IS ON THE

FEASIBILITY OF A CONSULTANT.
HOW ABOUT THAT?
1:46:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AGREE.
1:46:41PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WELL TAKEN.
1:46:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
1:46:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
GETTING BACK TO THE SUBJECT OF THE 10 PERCENT CONTINGENCY, I
JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR AS CHIEF BENNETT STATED, THAT IS NOT
AN INDISCRIMINATE FUND FOR THE DEPARTMENTS TO USE IT.
IT IS A FUND BALANCE SET-ASIDE THAT IS DESIGNATED FOR PUBLIC
SAFETY.
IT STILL, AS MR. BENNETT DID STATE, HAS TO COME BACK TO
COUNCIL, WHICH RAISES THE QUESTION AS TO BE THIS FITCH
REPORT THAT WAS OBTAINED THROUGH A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST,
DID THAT REQUEST COME THROUGH COUNCIL AT SOME POINT IN ITS
CONSENT DOCKET THAT COUNCIL APPROVED A CONSULTANT'S REPORT
TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA?
1:47:39PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AND WE ARE GOING ON ALMOST 2:00.
I DON'T WANT TO GO -- MAYBE WE CAN DO IT AT A DIFFERENT
TIME.
I DON'T DISAGREE.
1:47:53PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I AM SITTING DOWN
AND RAISING A POINT.
WHAT WAS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT TO DO THIS BEFORE?
AND DID IT SOLVE A PROBLEM?

1:48:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CHIEF TRIPP IS SITTING THERE SHAKING HER
HEAD.
MAYBE YOU WANT TO BE ASK CHIEF TRIPP THAT QUESTION.
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
DO YOU WANT TO ASK HER THAT QUESTION?
1:48:31PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
FIRST OF ALL LET ME SAY WHEN IT COMES TO IN
MASTER PLAN NO ONE HAS TOLD ME NOT TO PRESENT A MASTER PLAN,
AND NO ONE HAS, BECAUSE WHEN I SIT DOWN LIKE I SAY WITH THIS
ADMINISTRATION AND LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON, IT'S
GOING TO TAKE A LOT MORE, BECAUSE STILL EVERYTHING, WE GOT
THE STATIONS WHICH I PUT THAT IN MY BUDGET, AS FAR AS
REMODELING THE STATIONS, SO A LOT OF THAT IS IN THERE.
NOW, IF YOU WANT, BECAUSE LIKE I SAY, FROM YOUR
CONVERSATION, MR. VIERA, AS FAR AS CERTAIN SPECIFIC STUFF, I
DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION WHEN IT COMES TO DOLLARS BECAUSE
WE DON'T HAVE THAT CAD SYSTEM.
I CAN TELL YOU WHAT WE NEED, AND THAT WAS THE REASON FOR ME
BEING BULLET POINTS.
NO ONE HAS TOLD ME DON'T PROVIDE YOU ALL WITH A MASTER PLAN.
I JUST FELT LIKE IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING
FOR.
SO LET ME TALK ABOUT THE BULLETS, WHAT I FOUND, WHERE I AM
AT AND THE PLANS I HAVE GOING FORWARD.
AND I KNOW IT'S GETTING TIME FOR LUNCH BECAUSE I AM ACTUALLY
GETTING HANGRY.

I HAVEN'T ATE ALL DAY.
1:49:30PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHERE DID THAT COME FROM?
1:49:35PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
SO I WANTED TO TRY TO SEE HOW WE COULD GET
SOME INFORMATION, DATA WISE, SO WE WENT THROUGH OUR PROCESS
OF PURCHASING, AND WE WAS ABLE TO GET A CONSULTANT AND COME
UP WITH THE SCOPE OF SERVICES.
I DON'T HAVE THAT FIGURE IN FRONT OF ME.
1:49:51PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
[OFF MICROPHONE]
1:49:59PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
NO, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANYTHING UNDER 100
COMES TO YOU GUYS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NO VOTE WAS OFFHAND.
BUT THAT WHEREAS SOMETHING WHEN I FIRST GOT IN TO TRY TO
HELP ME GET SOME OF THIS INFORMATION OF WHAT WE NEED, OF
WHAT WE NEED.
1:50:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF
TRIPP?
1:50:19PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
[OFF MICROPHONE]
1:50:23PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
THAT'S FINE.
1:50:23PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
A CONSULTANT AT TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
1:50:36PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO ACTUALLY GO OUTSIDE
AND HAVE SOMEONE COME IN.
I CAN SEE WHAT SOME OF THE CONCERNS ARE AND WE ARE WORKING
ON THOSE CONCERNS BUT LIKE I SAY THERE'S SO MANY FACTORS
THAT PLAYS INTO THIS.
I CAN'T HELP TO GET 17 VEHICLES.

THAT'S NOT THIS ADMINISTRATION'S FAULT.
WE ARE CORRECTING THAT.
SO I DON'T CARE IF YOU SIT HERE AND SAY I WANT YOU TO ORDER
17 VEHICLES.
YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET THEM FOR AT LEAST A FEW YEARS.
SO MY PLAN, MY REPLACEMENT PLAN, I AM LOOKING INTO A
REPLACEMENT PLAN THAT WE CAN GET THESE UNITS ON THE STREETS.
I AM JUST BEING HONEST WITH YOU.
THERE'S NO WAY.
SAME THING WITH THE BOATS AND STUFF.
I GOT A 2009 OR 2003 BOAT THAT'S OUTDATED.
I NEED TO GET THIS.
AND THIS IS ALL IN MY BUDGET THAT I AM PRESENTING WHILE OF
COURSE PUTTING IN TO GET THIS --
1:51:26PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
BUT THE FITCH PLAN, OBVIOUSLY SOME THINGS
IN THAT PLAN --
1:51:31PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
OH, YES, GOES RIGHT TO THE RESOURCES AND
THAT'S WHAT I AM DOING, IS THE RESOURCES AND AS FAR AS THE
NUMBER OF CALL VOLUMES AND STUFF, AND I AM WORKING ON.
THAT I AM WORKING ON PUTTING THE RESOURCES WHERE THEY NEED
TO BE.
1:51:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HANG ON, PLEASE.
COUNCILMAN GUDES, PLEASE.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS NEXT AND THEN COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND
THEN I WILL COME BACK TO COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

1:51:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THIS A SECONDARY
MOTION --
1:52:03PM >> THE REPORT.
1:52:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE REPORT.
BUT MY QUESTION WITH THE REPORT, IS THERE MORE THAN ONE
REPORT?
AND JUST MAKING SURE, NOT ONLY THAT WE GET A COPY OF IT, BUT
IT'S PUT IN SIRE SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN SEE IT.
THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE.
1:52:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
1:52:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CHIEF TRIPP, AGAIN I NOTICE YOU ARE
OVERSTRETCHED AND HAVE TOO MUCH GOING ON RIGHT NOW AS YOU
ARE TRYING TO CHANGE THINGS.
BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS, BETWEEN PUTTING IN A BUDGET FOR ONE
YEAR VERSUS HAVING A MULTIYEAR PLAN, AND THE ISSUES YOU ARE
MENTIONING ABOUT CAD AND THE SHORTAGE OF VEHICLES, ALL OF
THAT WOULD BE IN THE PLAN.
AND PART OF THE PLAN WOULD BE A BUDGET, BUT ALSO WOULD BE
PRIORITIZING.
PROBABLY YOU CAN GET A CONSULTANT TO DO IT.
I CAN JUST TELL YOU, JUST SPEAKING INDIVIDUALLY, I WOULD BE
WILLING TO VOLUNTEER HALF A DAY OR DAY TO SIT DOWN AND HELP
YOU ALL WITH AN OUTLINE OF IT.
WAY WOULD RECOMMEND, AS AN INTERIM STEP, AND NOT AS PART OF
A MOTION BUT JUST INTERIM STEP FOR YOU, WOULD BE SOMETIME

BETWEEN NOW AND WHATEVER COUNCILMAN VIERA IS SCHEDULING THIS
NEXT UPDATE, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU WORK WITH CHIEF OF
STAFF AND THE UNION AND WHOMEVER ELSE AND JUST WORK ON THE
OUTLINE OF WHAT THE PLAN WOULD LOOK LIKE, WITHOUT
NECESSARILY ALL THE NUMBERS OR WORDS PLUGGED IN, AND JUST
SOCIALIZE IT BACK TO US, AND IF YOU GET FEEDBACK ON IT THAT
WOULD SAVE A LONG CONVERSATION LIKE THIS AND START AN
INTERIM WAY POINT SO THE FIRST THING WOULD BE TO SPEND THE
NEXT TWO OR THREE MONTHS WORKING ON SOMETHING AND COME BACK
AND SAY, OH, NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANTED.
IN THE MEANTIME I THINK THERE'S BASIC STANDARDS FOR WHAT A
PLAN WOULD LIKE LOOK LIKE AND NICK HAD SOME EXAMPLES FOR
THEM, WHETHER THAT'S THE BEST EXAMPLE OR NOT.
I HAVEN'T REALLY LOOKED AT THEM.
I THINK THERE IS EXPERTISE IN THE CITY TO AT LEAST OUTLINE A
PLAN AND THEN ONCE YOU HAVE THAT, YOU CAN PLUG IN SOME OF
THE NUMBERS AND WORDS.
1:54:05PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AGAIN I THINK HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY WAS
MENTIONED THAT THEY HAVE DONE SOMETHING AND THEY CREATED I
DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE AT BETWEEN 7 AND 13.
MAYBE THEY ARE THERE.
MAYBE THEY ARE 7, 8, 9.
I DON'T KNOW.
BUT I AM SURE -- AND THE REASON I AM TALKING RIGHT NOW ABOUT
NOT HAVING A CONSULTANT IS FIRST WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THE

PROBLEM.
SECOND, THE PROBLEM HAS PROBLEMS BECAUSE EITHER YOU
IDENTIFY, IT HAS TWO OR THREE YEARS FROM WHAT I HEARD FROM
CHIEF TRIPP IN GETTING EQUIPMENT IN.
THAT'S NUMBER TWO.
AND NUMBER THREE IS WE HAVE TO A GROWING POPULATION THAT HAS
TO BE CONFIGURED WITH THOSE NUMBERS.
WE HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION.
THIS IS NOTHING THAT CONSULTANTS ARE GOING TO FIND
DIFFERENT.
I BELIEVE WE STILL HAVE THAT INFORMATION, THE THREE
INDIVIDUALS GET TOGETHER, AND IT MAY NOT BE 100% PERFECT.
YOU MIGHT WANT TO GIVE IT TO A CONSULTANT TO FIND OUT WHO IS
RIGHT OR WRONG TO MEET THE OBJECTIVE OR THE GOAL.
SO WHAT I AM SAYING, THE CHIEF IS HERE, CHIEF OF FIRE
DEPARTMENT IS HERE, MR. STOCCO HERE, 754.
AND I THINK THIS CAN BE SOLVED IN-HOUSE ON A PLAN THAT TAKES
A LITTLE TIME TO GET WHERE WE ARE AT AND HOW WE ARE GOING TO
GO.
HOW MANY RETIREDS ARE GOING TO RETIRE?
IF EVERYONE IS RETIRED DO WE NEED ONE OR TWO TO GET IN?
THOSE ARE THINGS YOU FOLKS KNOW.
WE DON'T KNOW THEM.
I THEM IT CAN BE WORKED OUT IN-HOUSE.
MAYBE I'M WRONG.

BUT I THINK HOW YOU DO THAT BY HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH
EACH OTHER.
AND THAT'S HOW YOU SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS.
1:55:34PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AND IF I MAY.
1:55:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
1:55:40PM >>LUIS VIERA:
TO HAVE THIS BACK THE FIRST WEEK IN JUNE I
THINK WOULD BE FINE.
AND THE BIG THING I AM LOOKING FOR IS, WHAT STEPS ARE BEING
TAKEN TO MAKE THIS PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN HAPPEN?
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GET TODAY
THAT WAS CONTINUED FROM BEFORE, ET CETERA.
THAT'S THE GIST OF WHAT I WANT IN JUNE.
1:55:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
JUNE 15TH?
1:56:05PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THERE YOU GO.
1:56:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
1:56:11PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE WAY TO SOLVE THIS REAL FAST WOULD BE TO
SAY THAT CITY COUNCIL NO LONGER APPROVES BUDGET INCREASES
FOR POLICE OR FIRE UNLESS THOSE ITEMS ARE INCLUDED IN THE
PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN.
I AM NOT MAKING THAT MOTION NOW, BUT JUST IF WE TIE IT TO
BUDGET, WE SHOULD NOT BE APPROVING THINGS ON AN AD HOC
BASIS.
WE HAVE A CAPACITY ISSUE WITHIN THE CITY THAT ALMOST EVERY

DEPARTMENT IS NOT USED TO PLANNING, AND WE NEED TO FIX THAT.
THANK YOU.
1:56:49PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
LET'S TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
EXCUSE ME.
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
1:57:01PM >> TO REQUEST STEPS TAKEN FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN.
1:57:10PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WHAT STEPS ARE BEING TAKEN FROM HERE TO THEN
FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN TO ACTUALLY TO BE DONE,
AND THAT WILL INCLUDE FEASIBILITY OF A CONSULTANT, NEW
STATIONS, ALL THE THINGS WE WENT OVER, RESPONSE TIMES,
WORKING CONDITIONS, CITIZEN TO FIRE RATIO 10%.
IF YOU NEED ME TO GET OUTSIDE WITH YOU ON IT BECAUSE YOU
HAVE HAD A LONG STRETCH.
AND EQUIPMENT.
THANK YOU.
1:57:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ROLL CALL VOTE.
1:57:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
1:57:48PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
1:57:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
1:57:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
1:57:51PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.

1:57:52PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
1:57:55PM >>BILL CARLSON:

1:57:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
1:57:59PM >>LUIS VIERA:

1:58:00PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
1:58:01PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AND TO MAKE THE REPORT AVAILABLE TO THE
PUBLIC WITHIN THE NEXT 48 HOURS.
1:58:08PM >> BY TOMORROW.
1:58:10PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THERE YOU GO.
1:58:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
1:58:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, I THINK WHEN LOOKING AT THIS REPORT, WE
MAY BE ABLE TO USE THE FITCH AND ASSOCIATES IF THEY ALREADY
HAVE THIS TO HELP BRING THIS PLAN TOGETHER.
I THINK THIS WILL BE A SHORTER PLAN TIME THAN THE POLICE WHO
HAVE A LOT LONGER TO GO.
WE HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE AND IF IT'S NOT BRINGING
IT TOGETHER AND MAKING SURE IT ALL FITS.
I REALLY LOVE COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S IDEA OF PUTTING TOGETHER
LIKE A LADDER PLAN, A SKELETON OUTLINE OF WHAT WE ALL WANT
TO BE SEE AND BE ABLE TO FILL THOSE NUMBERS IN, NUMBERS WE
MAY ALREADY HAVE.
SO THANK YOU.
1:59:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

1:59:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NICK, THOSE PLANS THAT YOU SHOWED FROM
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND THE PRIOR ONES FROM THE CITY OF
TAMPA, DO YOU HAVE COPIES OF THOSE THAT WE CAN PUT INTO THE
RECORD, OR CAN YOU COPY THEM AND E-MAIL THEM OR LET US HAVE
THEM SO WE CAN COPY THEM AND CIRCULATE, PLEASE?
1:59:23PM >> I CAN GET YOU WHATEVER COPY YOU WANT, SO IF IT'S THOSE
PLANS, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY'S PLANS, AS WELL AS THE FITCH
PLAN, AS WELL AS WHATEVER I WILL BE ABLE TO GRAB FROM PUBLIC
RECORDS, I WILL E-MAIL TO ALL OF YOU.
1:59:36PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT MAY NOT GO INTO SIRE BUT I THINK IT'S
HELPFUL FOR ALL OF US TO SEE IT, AND THEN WE CAN FORWARD IT
TO ANYBODY WHO IS WATCHING WHO HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE
OTHER PLANS LOOK LIKE.
THANK YOU.
1:59:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
1:59:48PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CHIEF, YOU HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB IN 21
MONTHS.
YOU HAVE GOT A LOT OF THINGS DONE.
THERE'S A LOT MORE THINGS THAT HAVE DO GET DONE.
I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU ACCOLADES.
I KNOW IT'S TOUGH.
YOU ARE IN CHARGE.
YOU ARE A LEADER.
I WANT TO SAY A LOT OF THINGS YOU HAVE PUT IN PLACE, I DO
SEE A LOT ARE WORKING.

YOU ARE TRYING TO GET THE THINGS IN.
SOME THINGS YOU CAN'T CONTROL.
BUT I WILL JUST SAY, AGAIN, WE NEED TO HAVE TO HAVE A CUP OF
COFFEE AND WORK THINGS OUT.
I THINK IT WILL ALL WORK OUT IN THE END.
THANK YOU BOTH.
2:00:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WE HAVE GOT TO GO TO LUNCH.
2:00:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
2:00:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU AND CITY COUNCIL
THAT THERE IS A 1:30 REVIEW HEARING SCHEDULED.
I WANT TO KNOW IF THOSE PEOPLE ARE PRESENT BECAUSE IN
COUNCIL IS GOING TO TAKE LUNCH WE SHOULD AT LEAST GIVE THEM
GUIDANCE AS TO WHAT COUNCIL PLANS.
ARE THE PEOPLE HERE FOR THE REVIEW HEARING PRESENT?
2:00:49PM >> YES.
2:00:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE WILL COME BACK AT 3?
DO I RECALL FOR A ROLL CALL ON THAT?
ROLL CALL VOTE.
2:00:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
2:01:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
2:01:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
2:01:08PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
2:01:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
2:01:10PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
2:01:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE WILL COME BACK AT 3:00.
WE ARE IN RECESS.
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03:04:05PM >>CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
03:04:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE WILL START WITH FILE NUMBER SU-1-23-01-C.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 94.
03:04:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO OPEN THE 1:30 PUBLIC HEARING.
03:04:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
GOOD MORNING.
03:04:50PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
GOOD AFTERNOON, CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE
FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I'M HERE ON ITEM NUMBER 94, WHICH IS SU 1-23-01.
A PETITION FOR REVIEW FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1023 EAST
HENRY AVENUE.
THE PETITIONER FOR THIS APPLICATION -- FOR THIS ITEM IS LORI
CAIN.
SHE -- THE PROPERTY OWNER FILED A REQUEST FOR AN ACCESSORY
DWELLING UNIT FOR THE PROPERTY AT 1023 EAST HENRY AVENUE.
STAFF DENIED THE APPLICATION REQUEST ON JANUARY 18, 2023.
BASED ON THE APPLICATION FOR THE PROJECT NOT MEETING THE
SPECIFIC REGULATIONS CONCERNING SPECIAL USES FOR ACCESSORY
DWELLING UNITS.
IN PARTICULAR, STAFF DENIED THE APPLICATION BECAUSE THE
PROJECT DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIRED SETBACK REGULATIONS FOR
ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN THE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS DISTRICT.
IN YOUR PACKETS THAT WERE PASSED OUT TO YOU ARE THE RELEVANT
CODE SECTION.
27-61, WE GOVERNS THE STANDARD OF REVIEW FOR THIS
PROCEEDING.
27-132, REGULATIONS GOVERNING INDIVIDUAL SPECIAL USES.
27-129, GENERAL STANDARDS.
AND 27-130, CONDITIONS AND SAFEGUARD RELATED TO SPECIAL USE
APPLICATIONS.
ALSO IN YOUR PACKET ARE SAMPLE MOTIONS AND RULES OF
PROCEDURES FOR CITY COUNCIL TO USE IN ORDER TO CONDUCT THIS
REVIEW HEARING.
AS OUTLINED CODE SECTION 27-61-J-3, CITY COUNCIL HAS A DE
NOVO STANDARD OF REVIEW THAT CITY COUNCIL SHALL NOT BE
LIMITED IN THAT REVIEW TO THAT INFORMATION, DOCUMENTATION OR
EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WAS PACED.
CITY COUNCIL MAY RECEIVE NEW EVIDENCE.
STAFF WILL PRESENT AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION AND THE
DECISION BY STAFF AND AFTER CITY COUNCIL HEARS ALL THE
EVIDENCE IN THE MATTER, CITY COUNCIL CAN AFFIRM THE DECISION
OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND DENY THE REQUEST TO WAIVE
THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT MAY NOT BE
LOCATED IN A NONCONFORMING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE OR STRUCTURE
MADE CONFORMING AS A RESULT OF A VARIANCE OR CITY COUNCIL
CAN OVERTURN THE DECISION OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND,
THEREFORE, ALLOW THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT TO BE TO BE
WHERE IT IS LOCATED.
WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO STAFF AND I BELIEVE THE
STAFF MEMBER AND THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
03:07:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, MA'AM.
ANYBODY GIVING ANY TYPE OF EVIDENCE TO THIS, WOULD YOU
PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND BE SWORN IN.
[SWEARING IN]
03:07:41PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF WE HAVE A MOTION TO FEEL THE EX-PARTE
COMMUNICATIONS.
03:07:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
HI, THERE, WE WILL HEAR FROM STAFF FIRST.
03:07:55PM >> OKAY.
03:07:56PM >>LAURA MARLEY:
HI, LAURA MARLEY, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
CAN I PLEASE SHARE MY SCREEN?
03:08:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, MA'AM.
03:08:03PM >>LAURA MARLEY:
THANK YOU.
03:08:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL RIGHT.
WE ARE THERE.
WE WERE -- WELL, NOW WE ARE.
03:08:21PM >>LAURA MARLEY:
SU-23-01.
LORI CAIN.
THE ZONING IS SEMINOLE HEIGHTS SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED
RESIDENTIAL SH-RS.
AND SPECIAL USE REQUEST IS FOR AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
HERE IS AN AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY LOCATED ON EAST HENRY
AVENUE LOCATED IN RED.
THE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IS IT
SHALL BE MAXIMUM OF 950 SQUARE FEET.
IT MAY BE APPROVED WEAPON THE MAIN RESIDENCES ARE
OWNER-OCCUPIED AND, C, LOCATED WITHIN A CONFORMING ACCESSORY
STRUCTURE, BUT IT MAY NOT BE LOCATED IN A NONCONFORMING
ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
D, THERE CAN ONLY BE TWO PEOPLE RESIDING IN THE ACCESSORY
STRUCTURE.
AND E, ANNUALLY, IT IS REVIEWED BY STAFF.
THIS IS A COPY OF THE SURVEY.
AS YOU CAN SEE OUTLINED IN YELLOW, THE SETBACK IS AT 2.3.
THE REQUIREMENT IS 3.
SO THIS IS THE REASON OF THE DENIAL BY STAFF.
AND THE PROPOSED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE LOCATED IN AN EXISTING
ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT DOES NOT MEAN THE MINIMUM REQUIRED
SETBACKS ARE REQUIRED BY CODE AND THEREFORE THEY ARE
NONCONFORMING.
SIDE SETBACK OF THREE FEET IS REQUIRED.
THE EXISTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE DOES NOT COMPLY WITH A SIDE
SETBACK REQUIREMENT OF 2.3 FOR THE WEST SIDE SETBACKS.
IN ADDITION, THE SITE IS REQUIRED TO HAVE THREE PARKING
SPACES AND THIS REQUIREMENT CANNOT BE WAIVED THROUGH THE
SPECIAL USE 1 PROCESS.
HERE IS JUST A COPY OF THE SITE PLAN FOR YOU GUYS TO LOOK
AT.
THAT IS STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
03:10:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
OKAY.
MISS CAIN.
03:10:17PM >> YES.
ARE YOU READY FOR ME?
03:10:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, MA'AM.
03:10:23PM >> THE STRUCTURE BUILT IN 1954 WAS IN COMPLIANCE AT THE
TIME.
IT IS CURRENTLY A 400-SQUARE-FOOT STRUCTURE.
WHEN THE ADOPTION OF THE ZONING CAME INTO PLACE, IT MADE IT
OUT OF COMPLIANCE.
AND WE ARE RESPECTFULLY ASKING FOR CONSIDERATION ALLOWING
THIS TO BE AN ACCESSORY DWELLING.
THE DRIVEWAY IS SUFFICIENT TO PARK THREE CARS IN IT WITHOUT
ANY PROBLEMS.
SO WE WON'T BE TAKING UP SPACE ON THE ROADWAY.
AND WE JUST ASK FOR SOME CONSIDERATION FOR ALLOWING THIS.
03:10:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CAN WE HAVE THAT SITE PLAN BACK UP ON OUR
MONITORS, PLEASE THANK YOU.
THANK YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER?
IS THIS RIGHT NOW A GARAGE?
OR IS IT A MOTHER-IN-LAW SUITE OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF LIVING
AREA.
03:11:26PM >> MOTHER-IN-LAW SUITE WITH ANOTHER TYPE OF LIVING AREA.
IT HAS A KITCHEN IN IT.
WE ARE TRYING TO PUT IN A 20-INCH STOVE, MICROWAVE, THAT
TYPE OF THING AND IT HAS A LIVING AREA, AND A BATHROOM.
03:11:41PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
03:11:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SO THEN YOU HAVE AN ACCESSORY DWELLING
FOR RENT OR WHAT IS IT FOR?
03:11:51PM >> YES, FOR RENT.
03:11:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I BELIEVE AS PART OF THAT AREA -- SOME
PART OF THAT AREA THAT IS ALLOWABLE -- AND ALLOWED IN.
03:12:05PM >> I AM NOT SURE ABOUT THE OTHER AREAS.
WE HAVE ONLY BEEN FOCUSING ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
03:12:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. COTTON.
03:12:14PM >>ERIC COTTON:
SORRY, I WAS NOT SWORN OR EXPECTED TO SPEAK.
MY ITEMS DON'T HAVE TO BE SWORN SO I APOLOGIZE.
[SWEARING IN]
03:12:28PM >>ERIC COTTON:
YES, MA'AM.
ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS ARE ALLOWED AS SPECIAL USE 1.
THE BASIS FOR THE APPLICANT BEING HERE BECAUSE THE ACCESSORY
STRUCTURE ITSELF DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE
REQUIRED SETBACKS.
03:12:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
LET ME GO A LITTLE FURTHER.
IT WAS BUILT IN THE '50s.
03:12:47PM >> YES, SIR.
03:12:48PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
BEFORE THE RULE CAME IN.
03:12:50PM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
03:12:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HOLDING THIS ONE BACK IS GOT TO BE THREE
FEET AND 2.3 INCHES.
03:12:56PM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
WE ARE 9 INCHES SHORT.
03:13:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MY PROBLEM.
I COULDN'T PLAY CENTER.
I HAD TO PLAY GUARD.
NOT TALL ENOUGH -- THE SIZE OF THE FENCE.
SERIOUS SIDE IF THIS GOES THROUGH, YOU KNOW THAT YOUR TAX
ALSO GO UP.
IT IS NO LONGER JUST A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
IT IS A -- IT IS A PROPERTY AREA AND IT WILL GO UP.
03:13:20PM >> YES, SIR.
03:13:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM LETTING YOU KNOW THAT.
JUST IN CASE YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF IT.
THAT'S IT, MR. CHAIRMAN.
03:13:30PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
03:13:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
03:13:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO
SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 94, FILE NUMBER SU 1-23-01-C?
03:13:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
03:13:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
03:14:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP FIRST.
03:14:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:14:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE TO OVERTURN THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S
DENIAL OF SU 1-23-01 FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED 1023 EAST
HENRY AVENUE BECAUSE THE SPECIFIC STANDARDS FOR SPECIFIC
ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN 27-122 AND THE GENERAL STANDARDS
FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMITS OUTLINED IN 27-129 SHALL BE
WAIVED FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS.
THE STRUCTURE WAS BUILT BEFORE THE CURRENT SETBACKS HAND
BEEN USED AS AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT PRIOR.
03:14:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
03:14:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE.
03:14:48PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
DISCUSSION, IF I MAY.
I WILL SUPPORT IT FOR THE SAME LIKE REASON AND THIS IS
UNIQUE AND DIFFERENT.
I DON'T WANT TO BE A STATUTE THAT ANYBODY IN COMPANY CAN DO
WHAT THEY WANT.
THIS WAS ALLOWED IN THAT AREA.
IT WAS BUILT BEFORE THE LAW CAME EFFECT AND A PENALTY ON
ANYONE IF YOU ARE GOING TO TEAR SOMETHING OUT THAT WAS
ALLOWED THEN AND CODE CHANGE MADE IT A NONCONFORMING USE
BUILDING AND VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS.
DOES NOT MEAN I WILL VOTE IN FAVOR OF ANYONE AFTER THIS.
03:15:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
ROLL CALL.
03:15:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
03:15:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
03:15:24PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
03:15:25PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
03:15:26PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
03:15:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
03:15:28PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
03:15:29PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
03:15:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
03:15:32PM >> THANK YOU.
GO TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15, FILE NUMBER CM 22-74930.
03:15:48PM >>VIK BHIDE:
AFTERNOON CHAIR, COUNCIL.
VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY DEPARTMENT TO DISCUSS ITEM
NUMBER 10.
THIS IS A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK REGARDING THE PARKING SITUATION ON DEKLE AVENUE IN
SOUTH TAMPA IN THE VICINITY OF HOW BARRED AVENUE.
A MEMO TO THAT EFFECT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED.
JUST HAD SOME HIGHLIGHTS.
THIS MATTER WAS INITIATED LAST MAY.
WE HAVE MET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD SEVERAL TIMES SINCE.
WE HAVE MADE INCREMENTAL PROGRESS IN TRYING TO MANAGE THE
PARKING SITUATION.
OF COURSE, THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THE PARKING CONCERN IS,
ONE, A MORE ACTIVE COMMERCIAL STREET, SPECIFIC BUSINESSES.
BUT ALSO, GENERALLY ARE A HISTORY OF LIMITED PARKING BECAUSE
A LOT OF THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS LIKE DESOTO AND DEKLE
DO NOT HAVE ON-SITE PARKING.
SO AS WE GROW, WE ARE SEEING THESE KIND OF ISSUES ALONG
COMMERCIAL STREETS.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS OVER TIME DEDICATED AN ENFORCEMENT
OFFICER TO BE THERE AROUND THE WORST PERIOD AND THAT IS
AROUND LUNCHTIME.
SO BETWEEN 11 AND 2:00 LAST MAY 210 CITATIONS AND OVER 100
WARNINGS.
WE HAVE BEEN ACTIVE THERE.
WE HAVE A PARKING ENFORCEMENT STAFF THERE.
WE HAVE ADDED 12 15-MINUTE PARKING SPACES TO FACILITATE
TURNOVER SO THE PARKING ISSUE AND CIRCULATION DOES NOT
HAPPEN.
WE HAVE CREATED AN ADA PARKING SPACE COORDINATED WITH POLIC
IN CODE AND ALSO UPGRADED OR UPDATED SOME SIGNAGE IN THE
AREA.
WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE HAVE MET WITH THEM AS EARLY AS FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR.
AND WE ARE INITIATING A PARKING PILOT IN THE AREA AS WELL AT
THE REQUEST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THIS IS FOR PARKING ON
ONE SIDE OF THE STREET TO ENSURE, ONE, THAT EMERGENCY
VEHICLES CAN PASS SAFELY, BUT WILL ALSO GATHER OTHER DATA
LIKE HOW ARE WE ABLE TO -- IF WE WERE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE
PARKING NEEDS ON OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS.
WERE WE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE OTHER MODES OF TRAVEL AS WELL,
AND WHAT IMPACT IT HAD ON TRAFFIC FLOW AND SAFETY.
ALL OF THAT INFORMATION FROM THE PILOT, WHICH WILL BE A 61
PILOT WILL GO TOWARD OUR PARKING PLANNING EFFORT.
CONSULTANT CONTRACT OF WHICH COUNCIL APPROVED A FEW MONTHS
BACK AND THAT WE INITIATED.
SO ALL THAT TO SAY WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON A DIFFICULT
SITUATION AND WE WILL INCORPORATE LESSONS LEARNED INTO
BROADER PLANNING EFFORTS THAT APPLY CITY WIDE.
I AM HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
03:19:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:19:05PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANKS VIK AND YOUR TEAM AND MY COLLEAGUES
FOR HAVING THIS DISCUSSION.
JUST ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO IN BETWEEN THE TIME I WAS ELECTED
AND STARTED, I WENT TO A MEETING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO
TALK ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
AND IAN THAT WAS HARRY COHEN'S AIDE AT THE TIME HANDED OFF
THE FILES TO ME AND A FEW MONTHS LATER VIK AND I MET WITH
THEM AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS AT LEAST
MORE THAN FOUR YEARS AND GOOD TO HEAR SOME PROGRESS HAS BEEN
MADE ON IT BECAUSE I KNOW THEY HAVE BEEN VERY FRUSTRATED
WITH IT.
I THINK THE NEXT TOPIC OR ONE OF THE UPCOMING TOPICS, THE
NATURE OF ONE OF THE RESTAURANTS CHANGED AND THIS COMPLETELY
CHANGED THE NATURE WHO PARKED THERE, FOR HOW LONG AND HOW.
ANYWAY, THANK YOU ALL FOR WORKING ON THIS.
03:19:53PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:19:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I ALSO WANT TO ECHO THE THANKS AND I LOVE
THIS IS BEING USED AS A PILOT FOR THE OVERALL PARKING PLAN.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT OLD SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AS A
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAS BEEN ADVOCATING FOR MANY YEARS.
JUST THE IDEA OF PARKING ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET AND
SEEING HOW THAT WORKS TO ALLEVIATE SPACE FOR SAFETY VEHICLES
AND FOR MAKING SURE THAT RESIDENTS DO HAVE A PLACE TO PARK
BUT ALSO MAKING SURE THEY HAVE SPACE FOR WALKING AND BIKING
IN SO MANY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE
SIDEWALK.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS.
AND I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS.
YOU TOLD ME PRIOR AND YOU SHARED HOW LONG THIS PROJECT PILOT
WILL LAST?
03:20:45PM >>VIK BHIDE:
SURE THING, A SIX-MONTH PILOT AND WE WILL
COLLECT DATA THROUGH THAT PILOT.
AS WE SPEAK, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF ACQUIRING AND
INSTALLING THE SIGNAGE NEEDED AND WORKING WITH THE
NEIGHBORHOODS TO EASE IT IN.
THE FIRST COUPLE OF WEEKS WE WILL ISSUE WARNINGS.
NO CITATIONS.
BUT ENFORCEMENT AND ITS RESPONSE BY MOTORISTS IS A KEY PART
OF OUR UNDERSTANDING HOW IT WORKS.
SO IT WILL BE ENFORCED AS WELL.
03:21:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GREAT.
THANK YOU.
AND I HAVE ONE MORE FOLLOW-UP QUESTION.
ONCE THIS PILOT IS FINISHED, ABOUT HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT
WILL BE BEFORE YOU HAVE SOME DATA TO SHARE WITH COUNCIL
ABOUT HOW IT WENT?
03:21:29PM >>VIK BHIDE:
WE WILL NEED ABOUT 30 DAYS TO DIGEST THE DATA
AND THEN COME UP WITH SOME INSIGHTS; HOWEVER, THE PLANNING
EFFORT WILL BE A LITTLE BIT LONGER BECAUSE WE ARE PUTTING
TOGETHER A CITY WIDE PLAN AND THIS WILL BE -- THAT WILL BE
EXECUTED IN PHASES.
SO THE FIRST PART OF THAT PLANNING -- PARKING PLANNING
EFFORT IS -- IS A SERIES OF PROPOSED AMENDMENTS OR CHANGES
TO CHAPTER 15.
AND, FEBRUARY, IT WILL ALL BE BORNE FROM THE PARKING EFFORTS
AND WE WILL GET OTHER CHAPTERS THAT ARE -- THAT ARE INVOLVED
AS WELL.
27, 22 AND 25.
03:22:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS YOU MAY HAVE SOME DATA TO SHARE
WITH US AROUND NOVEMBER?
03:22:17PM >>VIK BHIDE:
YES.
03:22:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GREAT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
03:22:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
VIK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS REPORT.
NOW YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE FOUR RESTAURANTS IN A
ONE-AND-A-HALF-BLOCK AREA.
LA -- EXCUSE ME A RESTAURANT.
SOMETHING THAT YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO.
THAT PARKING IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE ON ONE SIDE OF THE
STREET OR THE OTHER.
I AM JUST WAITING FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO GET OUT AND POINT AT
EACH OTHER WHICH SIDE OF THE STREET THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE
PARKING ON.
THANK YOU, VIK.
03:22:51PM >>VIK BHIDE:
THANK YOU.
AGENDA ITEM 12.
FILE NUMBER E 2016-8 CHAPTER 21.
03:23:10PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I REQUESTED A STAFF REPORT ON THIS.
BUT I WANT TOP MAKE NOTE THIS IS A GOOD PROGRAM AS PART OF A
RETURNING CITIZENS --
03:23:19PM >> WE ARE ON 11?
03:23:20PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SORRY, I THOUGHT I HEARD 12, IS IT I?
03:23:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
11.
FILE NUMBER E 2016-8 CHAPTER 21.
VIK, HOW ARE YOU DOING.
03:23:37PM >>VIK BHIDE:
COUNCIL, ITEM 11 -- SORRY I HEARD 12 AND I
THOUGHT STAFF WASN'T NECESSARY FOR 11.
THE ITEM 11 IS THE 25th STORMWATER CIP REPORT.
OF COURSE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM IS A FUNCTION OF
THE ASSESSMENT THAT WAS APPROVED SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
THE $251 MILLION PROGRAM AND OUTLINES ALL OF OUR PROJECTS
THAT ARE COMMITTED AS PART OF THIS PROGRAM.
I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THIS IS THE SECOND LAST YEAR OF
THE -- OF THE ASSESSMENT AND THE PROGRAM.
AND WE ARE WORKING TOWARD WHAT THE NEXT LEVEL OF NEXT -- OR
THE FUTURE OF STORMWATER NEEDS AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS LOOK
LIKE.
AND 20 THAT END, EARLIER THIS YEAR, COUNCIL DID APPROVE OR
WAS MADE LAST YEAR RATHER $160,000 WORK ORDER FOR A
CONSULTANT WITH THE GAP ANALYSIS THAT WILL IDENTIFY WHAT
NEEDS TO BE MODELLED WITHIN THE CITY.
WHAT MODELING IS UP TO DATE.
AND THAT WILL BE THE FIRST CUT -- THAT GAP ANALYSIS TO
INFORM WHAT OUR FUTURE CIP WILL LOOK LIKE.
WHAT WILL FOLLOW THAT IS ADDITIONAL MODELING THAT IS
RECOMMENDED IN THAT GAP ANALYSIS ITSELF TO REALLY FINE TUNE
THE CAPITAL PROGRAM.
I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT, BECAUSE OVER THE NEXT TWO
YEARS, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WILL BE WORKING
TOWARD SO THAT AT THE END OF THIS PROGRAM, WE WILL HAVE A
NEW CIP.
03:25:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
03:25:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
REAL QUICK.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I KNOW SELF -- WE DID RECEIVE A STORMWATER UPDATE ON A
SEPARATE PROJECT THIS MORNING IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
BUT I KNOW A LOT OF WORK AT THE HENDERSON AND DALE MABRY
AREA, WHICH IS HISTORICALLY AND NOTORIOUS LITERABLE WHEN WE
HAVE HEAVY RAINS.
SO I KNOW THAT THERE IS CLOSURES ON THE WEEKEND AT THAT
INTERSECTION.
AND I HAVE BEEN THROUGH THERE AND I WATCHED HOW TRAFFIC HAS
MANEUVERED EVEN WITH THE CLOSURE.
BUT I -- I HAVEN'T RECEIVED -- KNOCK ON WOOD -- ANY
COMPLAINTS YET.
I SEE THAT IS MOVING ALONG WELL, AND IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT
SESSION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
03:26:02PM >>VIK BHIDE:
THANK YOU.
03:26:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:26:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO ECHO THE THANKS.
I LOVE THIS UPDATE.
IT IS VERY CLEAR, THOROUGH AND THE MAPS MAKE IT EASY TO
UNDERSTAND ALONG WITH THE CHART.
I ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC TOO LOOK AT THIS.
IS THIS ON THE STORMWATER WEB SITE AS WELL?
03:26:21PM >>VIK BHIDE:
WHY HE, IT IS.
03:26:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GREAT, BECAUSE I LOOK AT IT THROUGH SIRE.
BUT I RECOMMEND IF THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF WHAT WE
ARE SPENDING THE MONEY ON TO LOOK IT UP.
AN INCREDIBLY CLEAR REPORT AND I ALWAYS APPRECIATE IT, THANK
YOU.
03:26:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYTHING ELSE?
THANK YOU, MR. BHIDE.
03:26:42PM >>VIK BHIDE:
THANK YOU.
03:26:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12, COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU
WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT.
03:26:48PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I DIDN'T WANT TO REPORT FOR THIS.
THINGS SPEAK FOR ITSELF, BUT IT IS PART OF THE RETURNING
CITIZENS INITIATIVE THAT WE DID.
IT INCLUDED INCENTIVES FOR CONTRACTORS TO HIRE RETURNING
CITIZENS, INCENTIVES TO BAN THE BOX AND ALSO A TEST PILOT
PROGRAM FOR JOB TRAINING, RETRAINING, AND CITIZENSHIP FOR
RETURNING CITIZENS AND $300,000 FOR APPRENTICESHIP AND
TRAINING AS THE MEMO SAYS.
THIS IS LA REALLY, REALLY A GREAT THING.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE ISSUE GETS OUT THERE AND PEOPLE
UNDERSTAND IT IS AN ISSUE OF CONCERN FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT,
STATE GOVERNMENT AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
PAUSE IT EFFECTS ALL PARTS OF OUR CITY AND ALL OF OUR
FAMILIES QUITE FRANKLY.
JUST IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATISTICS OF RETURNING CITIZENS, WE
HAVE TO DO A MULTIFAMILY BETTER JOB ON THIS ISSUE.
A LOT OF GROUPS, FLORIDA RIGHTS, ABE BROWN MINISTRIES,
JEWISH COMMUNITY CENTER FEDERATION.
AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS.
NOTING THAT.
THANK YOU, SIR.
03:27:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
ANYBODY ELSE?
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15, FILE NUMBER CM 22-74931.
03:28:06PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I JUST SET THIS UP?
03:28:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:28:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS ONE IS RELATED TO THE DEKLE AVENUE ONE.
THE ISSUE IS THAT WHAT WAS A LITTLE CAFE, SUDDENLY BECAME A
HEAVILY TRAFFICKED DELIVERY LOCATION
AND SO THE QUESTION IS, NOW THAT POST COVID AND WITH UBER
EATS ANNUAL THESE SERVICES, THERE WERE LOCATIONS THAT HAD
LOTS OF THAT GO ON A TEMPORARY WAY.
THE QUESTION IS, SHOULD WE HAVE SPECIAL ZONING OR PERMITTING
FOR THOSE SITUATIONS BECAUSE THEY WILL CONTINUE TO EFFECT
NEIGHBORHOODS?
03:28:53PM >>ERIC COTTON:
ERIC COTTON, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
PARKING FOR RESTAURANTS IS GENERALLY SECTION 23.7 OF THE
TAMPA ZONING CODE.
FULL SERVICE, FOUR SPACES.
PLACED ON OCCUPANCY, 2.5 SPACES PER OCCUPANCY.
DIVIDED BY FOUR WILL SHOW YOU HOW MANY PARKING SPACES YOU
NEED.
FOR ESTABLISHMENTS THAT ARE STRICTLY TAKEOUTS AND
RESTAURANTS TO GO.
YOU SEE SOME OF THEM START TO POP UP.
THEY ARE LIKE KITCHENS.
THEY ARE CONSIDERED RETAIL AND FOUR PER THOUSAND LIKE A
TYPICAL RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT TEN SEATS OR FEWER.
FOR THIS SPECIFIC INSTANCE THAT CAME UP WITH THE PROPERTY --
THE RESTAURANT ON DEKLE AND HOWARD, THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY
A RESTAURANT.
THEY MORPHED INTO DURING COVID, THEY MORPHED INTO PROVIDING
A LOT OF TO-GO SERVICE WHICH -- YOU WILL SEE THAT IN A LOT
OF RESTAURANTS FROM CHILI'S TO McDONALD'S, THEY HAVE SPECIAL
PLACES YOU CAN GO UP AND GET FOOD FROM.
IT WAS GENERALLY ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
THE CODE -- SORT OF ADDRESSES THOSE.
FOR THE MOST PART, WHERE THERE IS A -- A TYPE URBANIZED FEEL
FOR A COMMUNITY SUCH AS AT HOWARD AND DEKLE, PARKING IS
ALREADY AT A PREMIUM.
SO I THINK MOBILITY IS TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT SPECIFIC
ISSUE.
THE CODE, AS A WHOLE, FROM MY PROFESSIONAL VIEWPOINT AT THIS
POINT, WHAT WE DID TO THE CODE FOR EXISTING CONDITIONS WILL
NOT BE AFFECTING THOSE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A WAY TO ADDRESS EXISTING
RESTAURANTS THAT MORE OF INTO SOMETHING OTHER BECAUSE THEIR
PRIMARY THING IS STILL FOOD SERVICE.
THEY STILL HAVE SEATING.
THEY JUST ADDED THAT COMPONENT OF PICK-UP AND TO-GO.
A LOT OF TIMES YOU WILL SEE -- AT RESTAURANTS ITSELF YOU
WILL SEE SPECIFIC PLACES FOR UBER EAT AND DOOR DASH.
AND GENERALLY THEY RUN OUT AND GET YOU YOUR FOOD.
03:31:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:31:03PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT
OTHER CITIES AND I WONDER -- FORGIVE THIS SPECIFIC EXAMPLE
NEXT TO DEKLE, BUT IF -- IF -- DO ANY OTHER CITIES ADDRESS
THE ISSUE OF RESTAURANTS THAT HAVE A SMALL FOOTPRINT THAT
ARE HEAVILY TRAFFICKED FOR DELIVERY?
I MEAN, BIGGER RESTAURANTS THAT HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF UBER
EATS, BUT SOME LITTLE PLACES THAT ARE REALLY FOR TAKE-OUT
ONLY AND AT THE LEVY AND THEY HAVE HUNDREDS OF CAR AS DAY.
IS THERE NOT ANY KIND OF -- AS IF IT DOESN'T APPLY TO
EXISTING SPACES MAY BE FIND.
BUT FUTURE USES.
SOMETHING WE CAN TO DO PROTECT NEIGHBORHOODS IN THAT CASE
AND REQUIRE SPECIAL PARKING OR SOMETHING.
03:31:56PM >>ERIC COTTON:
NEW CONSTRUCTION HAVE TO COMPLY WITH -- IF IT
IS STRICTLY A TAKE-OUT RESTAURANT, FOUR PER THOUSAND.
1,000-SQUARE-FOOT KITCHEN AND COOKING UP FOOD TO GO --
03:32:10PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I MEAN A SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE.
THAT IS THE OLD MODEL OF PEOPLE COME UNTIL AND SITTING DOWN
AND MAYBE THERE IS SOME DELIVERY, BUT IN A CASE 2,000 SQUARE
FOOT AND CARS PICKING UP AND TAKING IT OUT.
IS THERE NO SPECIAL RULES THAT OTHER CITIES HAVE THAT WE
SHOULD ADOPT?
03:32:33PM >>ERIC COTTON:
NOT THAT WE HAVE UNCOVERED AT THIS POINT.
AGAIN, IF YOU WERE STRICTLY TO GO TYPE OF RESTAURANT WE
APPLY THE RETAIL PARKING STANDARDS.
IF YOU ARE A TARGET OR WANT FOUR PER THOUSAND.
A RESTAURANT THAT DOES STRICTLY TAKEOUT WHERE UBER EATS
PULLS THE UP FOR THE FOOD.
AND WE TREAT IT AS A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT.
03:32:57PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DOESN'T SEEM TO WORK IS THE POINT.
I DON'T THINK IT IS PECULIAR THIS LOCATION.
AND SO IS THERE SOME OTHER.
A HUGE HIGHER THAN EVERYBODY EXPECTED UNTIL THE LAST TWO
YEARS VOLUME OF VEHICLES GOING INTO SOME OF THESE PLACES.
SO HOW DO WE PROTECT NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE FUTURE BY PUTTING
SOME ADDITIONAL RULES DOWN FOR THAT?
IT DOESN'T MATCH THE OLD MODELS.
DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY SQUARE FEET AND DOESN'T MATTER HOW
MANY SEATS THEY HAVE WHICH IS THE OLD MODEL.
THE NEW MODEL IS HOW MANY CAR AS DAY ARE VISITING IT OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
03:33:30PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I WANT TO ADD TO THAT.
ABBYE FEELEY COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE IS, ONCE REQUIRED PARKING IS PROVIDED, WE DON'T REGULATE
THAT.
FOR INSTANCE ON HOWARD AVENUE WHEN YOU GO TO FLOWER AND
WATER.
AND AT 5:00, THEY BECOME COMPLETELY VALET, AND I CAN'T PARK
THERE UNLESS I WANT TO PAY FOR THEIR VALET, THOSE SPACES ARE
-- ONCE YOU MEET YOUR PROVIDED PARKING WE DON'T SAY WHETHER
IT HAS TO BE UBER EATS OR OPEN OR ANY OF THOSE THINGS.
THAT BECOMES THE BUSINESS OPERATOR'S OPTION IN RELATION TO
THOSE SPACES.
WE ARE HAPPY TO LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY OF ORLANDO.
SOME COUNTY OTHER -- CITY OF ST. PETE HAVE THINGS FOR A UBER
EATS, PREDOMINANTLY A TAKEOUT TYPE OF RESTAURANT.
WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS THAT WILL BE MORE SPACES.
AND THEN NOT NECESSARILY LESS.
03:34:30PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT I AM SAYING -- MAYBE I CAN JUST -- AT
THE SAME TIME I CAN MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS.
THE QUESTION IS, THIS IS A NEW SITUATION THAT ONLY DEVELOPED
IN THE LAST TWO TO THREE YEARS WHERE THERE IS HEAVIER THAN
EVER EXPECTED TAKEOUT AND LOCATIONS PRIMARILY TAKEOUT ONLY
AND A DIFFERENT MODEL LOOKING AT HOW MANY SPACES YOU NEED.
ONE OF THE SOLUTIONS IN THIS ONE EXAMPLE WAS 15-MINUTE
PARKING SO IT TURNS OVER.
I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THIS UNTIL MAYBE AUGUST AND ASK
STAFF TO -- TO AUGUST AND ASK STAFF TO HOOK AT SOME NEW
SOLUTION MAYBE THAT OTHER CITIES USE AND NEW SOLUTIONS THAT
WE WOULD PROPOSE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE NICHE.
03:35:20PM >> SECOND.
03:35:21PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
WE ARE COMING BACK JUNE 23 FOR A WORKSHOP.
OKAY TO PUT IT ON THAT DAY SO WE DON'T HAVE MULTIPLE --
03:35:29PM >>ERIC COTTON:
GROWTH MANAGEMENT WORKSHOP WE HAVE IN JUNE.
03:35:31PM >>BILL CARSON:
OKAY.
IF YOU ARE READY.
I WAS TRYING TO GIVE YOU MORE TIME.
03:35:36PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THAT IS FINE AND THE OTHER THING I WOULD
LIKE TO MENTION IN CLOSING, WHEN WE PERMIT A COFFEE SHOP.
STARBUCKS DIDN'T GET A SPECIAL QUEUE LINE FOR THEIR IMPACT
IT SHALL EVERY COFFEE SHOP GETS TREATED THE SAME.
NO DIFFERENT STANDARDS FOR THOSE THAT HAVE THAT HIGH
INTENSITY OF USE.
WE WILL PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER.
WE WILL LOOK AT THAT AND BRING YOU THE INFORMATION THAT IS
OUT THERE IN RELATION TO THAT.
AND WE WILL SEE.
THE OTHER I THINK THAT ERIC MENTIONED, WE EXPECT GO BACK AND
RETROFIT THAT STANDARD ON EXISTING BUSINESSES.
IF IT IS REALLY AN ENFORCEMENT TYPE OF ITEM, WE WILL HAVE TO
HOOK AT THAT MORE FROM THAT ENFORCEMENT SIDE.
03:36:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK ANOTHER QUESTION IS, IS IT A
DIFFERENT CATEGORY?
LIKE OTHER CITIES ADDRESS IT AS A DIFFERENT COO CATEGORY.
03:36:19PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
UNDERSTOOD.
WE WILL BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT THAT.
03:36:23PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I MOVE TO CONTINUE -- WHAT DID YOU SAY.
03:36:26PM >>ERIC COTTON:
JUNE 22 IS THAT --
03:36:29PM >>CLERK:
JUNE 22, BUT WE DON'T --
03:36:32PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ARE YOU PLANNING ON HAVING MORE SET?
DID YOU WANT TO SEE THE REST OF THE CALENDAR?
03:36:41PM >>CLERK:
28th WE HAVE A LONG --
03:36:45PM >>ERIC COTTON:
SEPTEMBER 28?
03:36:48PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
WE WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT ON ITEM 17.
SO -- I KNOW, IN RELATION TO ITEM 17, WE WANT TO TARGET
COMING BACK ON JUNE 22 FOR THE GOOD NEIGHBOR NOTICE.
BECAUSE THAT ROLLS INTO THE JULY TEXT AMENDMENT CYCLE.
IF WE ARE MAKING CHANGES, WE WILL CAPTURE WHAT WILL HAPPEN
IN JULY VERSUS IF WE TALK ABOUT IT IN SEPTEMBER AND HAVE TO
GO WITH THE JANUARY CYCLE.
03:37:16PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO CONDITION FILE
NUMBER CM 22-74931.
03:37:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR.
OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
03:37:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16, FILE NUMBER CM
23-79991.
MISS VAN LOAN.
03:37:57PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
GOOD AFTERNOON, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS,
MICHELLE VAN LOAN, REAL ESTATE.
I AM HERE IS ON ITEM 16.
SINCE LAST SUMMER, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE LARGER
HOUSING STRATEGIES FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
ONE OF THOSE STRATEGIES THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING LIST.
A LIST MADE UP OF SURPLUS PROPERTIES TO BE POTENTIALLY
DESIGNATED AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROPERTIES AT YOUR CRA
MEETING IN JANUARY, MR. DRUMGO DID GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF
THE LIST AND THE PROCESS, AND NOW I'M HERE TODAY TO
OFFICIALLY BRING THIS TO YOU AS CITY COUNCIL AND INITIATE
THAT PROCESS FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH DISCUSSION AND APPROVAL
SO WE CAN GET THAT LIST ADOPTED IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
SO WITH THAT, IF WE CAN HAVE THE POWERPOINT UP.
THANK YOU.
SO WE ARE REQUIRED BY STATE STATUTE, EVERY MUNICIPALITY IN
THE STATE OF FLORIDA IS REQUIRED EVERY THREE YEARS TO REVIEW
OUR PROPERTY LIST OF PROPERTIES WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION,
WITHIN OUR CITY BOUNDARIES THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR
AFFORDABLE HOUSING USE.
WHEN WE DO THAT, I WANT TO MAKE IS CLEAR.
I KNOW MR. DRUMGO REPORTED THIS.
BUT I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR WE ARE NOT PROHIBITED FROM USING
ANY PROPERTIES NOT ON THIS LIST FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THIS LIST IS A MINIMUM OF EVERY THREE YEARS.
IF WE ACQUIRE NEW PROPERTIES DURING THAT TIME, IF WE RECEIVE
MORE PROPERTIES FROM THE COUNTY DURING THAT TIME AND LET'S
SAY WE ARE WORKING AND LAND ASSEMBLAGE AND THAT
PROJECT IS NOT MOVING FORWARD.
ANY OF THOSE PROPERTIES HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BE USED FOR
AFFORDABLE HOUSING EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT ON THE LIST.
IT IS NOT EXCLUSIVE.
ONCE THE PROPERTIES ARE ON THE LIST, FOUR THINGS THAT CAN
HAPPEN TO THE PROPERTY.
ONE, WE CAN SELL THEM BUT WE HAVE TO USE THE PROCEEDS --
THERE ARE FOUR -- GIVE ME A SECOND.
WE HAVE TO USE THE PROCEEDS FOR OTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING
EITHER TO BUY ADDITIONAL PROPERTY OR TO PUT TOWARD FUNDING
OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAMS THROUGH HCV OR THE CRAs.
SECOND, OFFER THEM FOR SALE WITH A RESTRICTION TO BECOME
AFFORDABLE PERMANENT HOUSING.
WE CAN DONATE THEM TO A NONPROFIT WHO WILL ENTER INTO A
DEVELOPMENT, DEVELOP THEM FOR PERMANENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND LASTLY, WE OURSELVES THROUGH THE HDC AND THROUGH
THE CRAs CAN DEVELOP THE PROPERTIES FOR PERMANENT AFFORDABLE
HOUSING.
ONCE THEY ARE ON THE LIST THEY ARE DEDICATED FOR BENEFITING
AND AFFORDING THE GOALS OF PROVIDING MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING
FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
YOU SAW THIS GRAPHIC WITH MR. DRUMGO'S PRESENTATION.
WE HAVE WITHIN REAL ESTATE ABOUT 4,000 RECORDS OF ALL THE
PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE RECORDED.
THIS CAN BE EASEMENTS.
IT IS OUR ALLEYWAYS.
IT IS OUR PARKING LOT.
WE TOOK THAT DATABASE OF 4,000 RECORDS AND STARTED TO VET
THAT SO WE ELIMINATED THE PROPERTIES THAT WOULD, AGAIN, NOT
BE APPROPRIATE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING USE.
SO WE GOT RED OF ALL OF OUR PARKING LOTS, ALL OF OUR
RIGHT-OF-WAYS, ALL OF OUR ALLEYS.
WE GOT RID OF ALL OF THE EASEMENTS, DRAINAGE EASEMENTS.
OUR STORAGE POND.
WE ALSO HAVE PROPERTY -- ONE OF THE EXAMPLES IS EAST TAMPA
WHERE WE HAVE BEEN DOING A LAND ASSEMBLAGE ON 22nd STREET
TAKEN SEVERAL YEARS.
THOSE PROPERTIES, AS WE ACQUIRE THEM, ARE SETTING IN THE
CITY'S INVENTORY AND WE WANT TO OBSERVE THEM FOR THE ENTIRE
LAND ASSEMBLAGE.
WE ARE NOT PUTTING THESE PROPERTIES ON THAT LIST IF THERE IS
A BIGGER PICTURE FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THE PLANNING.
WE ALSO HAVE PROPERTIES THAT ARE UNECONOMIC REMAINDERS.
TOO SMALL TO PUT A DEVELOPMENT FOR HOUSING ON THOSE.
LASTLY, WE HAVE PROPERTIES THAT EITHER WE LEASE THAT ARE IN
OUR INVENTORY AND WE OWN AND LEASE TO OTHERS.
AND WE HAVE BUILDINGS.
WE HAVE PARK PROPERTIES.
WE HAVE SMALL LITTLE KIOSKS.
SO THOSE PROPERTIES ARE ALSO NOT ON THAT LIST.
WHEN WE GOT THROUGH DOING ALL OF THAT VETTING, WE GOT DOWN
TO A LIST OF 101 PROPERTIES.
WE THEN TURNED THAT LIST OVER TO OUR ADMINISTRATORS.
AND WITH THAT LIST, WE GOT IT DOWN TO THE 32 PROPERTIES THAT
MR. DRUMGO PRESENTED TO YOU IT AND YOU HAVE THAT LIST
ATTACHED TO THE POWERPOINT.
THE REASON IT WENT FROM 101 TO 22 PROPERTIES IS THAT WE DO
HAVE 17 PROPERTIES THAT WILL YOU COMING OUT THIS SPRING AS
PART OF OUR HOUSING DIVISION'S INFILL THREE.
SO THOSE PROPERTIES ARE NOT ON THERE AS THEY WILL BE
UTILIZED PROBABLY BEFORE THIS GETS 'ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
347 PROPERTIES THAT MADE MORE SENSE OF PROPERTIES IN BETWEEN
THAT WILL BE MORE BENEFICIAL.
IF WE WAITED TO ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES AND MAKE IT A
LARGER TRACT, MORE BANG FOR OUR BUCK.
WE HAVE PROPERTIES THAT WERE OVERLY CHALLENGED.
EXCESSIVE FLOODING.
IT WILL TAKE UTILITIES TO BE BROUGHT IN SEVERAL BLOCKS.
NOT JUST ON THE STREET BUT ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES WITH THOSE
PROPERTIES.
WITH THAT, WE HAVE 32 PROPERTIES THAT WERE THEN PROPOSED TO
BRING FORWARD TO YOU TO INCLUDE ON THIS LIST.
ONCE WE HAVE THIS LIST AND ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AND GO
THROUGH THIS DIALOGUE, THE NEXT STEP IS TO FINALIZE THE LIST
AND BRING IT BEFORE A PUBLIC HEARING OF CITY COUNCIL AND
ADOPT THAT LIST BY RESOLUTION AND LIKE A DEDICATED PARKS
LIST, THIS LIST WILL BE ATTACHED AS AN EXHIBIT TO THE
RESOLUTION SO THOSE PROPERTIES ARE ON THERE AND CODIFIED
THAT WAY.
03:43:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SORRY, WERE YOU FINISHED?
03:43:56PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
I AM ALL DONE.
I KNOW THAT ALIS WENT THROUGH THE MAP WE PUT TOGETHER.
THE INTERACTIVE MAP FOR THE PUBLIC.
I HAVE THAT AVAILABLE IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
AND I AM FOR COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, WHEN YOU WERE GOING
THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION WITH MR. DRUMGO, YOU ASKED ABOUT HOW
MANY UNITS COULD BE ON THESE 22 PROPERTIES.
WITHOUT ACTUALLY LAYING OUT A SITE PLAN FOR ALL 32, ESTIMATE
ABOUT 100 UNITS.
03:44:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
I KNOW THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THESE
PROPERTIES.
AND I HAVE BROUGHT UP FOR DISCUSSION, WHICH WAS CONTINUED
TODAY UNTIL APRIL 20 TO ADDRESSING FOOD DESERTS IN THE CITY
OF TAMPA.
MAJORITY OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE IN DISTRICT 5 WHERE WE SEE
THE FOOD DESERTS THERE MORE THAN REST OF THE PARTS OF THE
CITY.
WOULD BE ALLOWABLE TO LOOK AT -- I KNOW MEACHAM FARMS OVER
HERE BY THE CHURCH IN THE ENCORE AREA.
BUT WILL SOMEBODY BE ALLOWED OR A NONPROFIT TO PUT A
COMMUNITY GARDEN THERE -- YOU KNOW, FOR GROWING FOOD AND
WHAT NOT TO GIVE AND SELL TO THE COMMUNITY OR NO?
03:45:13PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
ONCE YOU PUT THE PROPERTIES ON THE LIST
AND YOU ADOPT THE LIST, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BE UTILIZED
FOR THE OTHER TYPE OF USES.
03:45:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
STRICTLY HAS TO GO FOR HOUSING.
03:45:25PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
YES, SIR.
03:45:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AVERAGE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR A
SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.
5,000 SQUARE FEET?
03:45:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
A LOT OR A HOUSE.
03:45:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
TYPICAL LOT SIZE.
NO, LIKE FOR YOUR PROPERTY.
03:45:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LOT HOUSE OR A HOUSE.
03:45:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
5,000 SQUARE FEET.
A LOT OF THESE PROPERTIES I SEE AT 5,000, 10,000, SOME ARE
2500 SQUARE FEET.
WELL, HERE IS ONE, 47,970.
I BELIEVE THAT IS CORRECT.
ON HALIFAX STREET.
ARE PEOPLE -- PER THE CODE, CAN WE PUT QUADS AND TRIPLEXES
OR ANOTHER REVISITING OF THE CODE TO AMEND?
03:46:11PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
MOSTLY OUR LARGER LIST DOES HAVE -- WE
DIDN'T BOTHER YOU WITH, YOU KNOW, THE 50 OR 60 CELLS THAT GO
ALONG WITH THESE RECORDS.
AS PART OF THE VETTING, ALL THE DEPARTMENTS, THE UTILITY
DEPARTMENTS, OUR ENVIRONMENTAL DEPARTMENTS, OUR GROWTH
MANAGEMENT SERVICES, ALL VETTED THIS LIST FOR WHERE DE-- IT
WAS APPROPRIATE AGAIN FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING MEANS WE CAN
PUT THOSE RESIDENTIAL USES.
SOME OF THESE ARE IN AREAS THAT COULD HAVE MULTIFAMILY ON
THE LARGER.
A ZONING CHALLENGE THE CITY CAN -- ONES IT IS ON THIS LIST,
WE WILL CERTAINLY PURSUE THE ZONING NEEDED.
03:46:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE COULD TRY TO FIX MORE UNITS ON A
PARCEL IF WE NEEDED TO.
LAST QUESTION IS, IF WE WERE TO DONATE THIS PROPERTY TO
SOMEBODY, MEANING ESTABLISH A CONTRACT THAT SAYS YOU ARE NOT
ALLOWED TO SELL THIS PROPERTY.
YOU CAN'T SELL THE LAND.
BUT NOW THAT YOU HAVE THE LAND, YOU CAN BUILD A HOUSE ON IT,
SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.
WOULD THAT INDIVIDUAL WITH THOSE STIPULATIONS LIKE A 99-YEAR
LEASE ON THE PROPERTY OR YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SELL IT, CAN
THEY USE THE LAND AS -- NOT COLLATERAL, BUT WHEN GOING TO
GET FINANCIALS TO BUILD THE HOUSE.
CAN THEY USE THE PROPERTY AND SAY, LOOK, THE CITY HAS A
PROGRAM THEY DONATED THE HAND.
I AM GOING TO BUILD A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME FOR MYSELF AND
CHILDREN TO LIVE IN, WOULDN'T BENEFIT THEM FOR GETTING THE
CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOME.
03:47:44PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
USUALLY I CAN TELL YOU ON THE ONE SIDE
AND THE HOUSING FROM NHCB.
FROM A REAL ESTATE DIDN'T, HAPPY HISTORY LENDERS DEPENDING
ON LIFE CYCLE OF THE LOAN MAYBE 30 YEARS.
IN YOU HAVE A 99-YEAR LEASE AND WITHIN 30 YEARS OF THAT 99,
THEY WILL TREAT THAT AS IF YOU HAVE A FULL INTEREST.
AND WE HAVE SEEN MOSTLY ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE AND I CAN'T
SPEAK TO THE RESIDENTIAL.
ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, WE HAVE DONE SEVERAL PROJECTS ANT
GRANTS A LONG-TERM TENANT WITH A LONG-TERM LIGHTS AND DID
NOT INTERFERE WITH THEIR FINANCING.
03:48:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT IS GOOD.
A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR THESE PARCELS NOT FOR COMMUNITY
GARDENS AND ALL THAT BUT FOR HOUSING.
IS THIS EVERY PARCEL THAT WE OWN OR MORE TO THIS LIST?
03:48:36PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
THESE ARE THE 32 THAT STAFF RIGHT NOW
ARE PROPOSING TO BE ON THE LIST FOR THIS YEAR.
THIS IS OUR FIRST STAB AT CREATING THIS LIST.
WE ARE STILL IN THE PROCESS.
SO AS YOU HAVE SEEN, WE BUY A LOT OF PROPERTIES FOR
STORMWATER.
THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF PROPERTIES ALREADY IN USE.
SOME OF THEM FOR FUTURE PROJECTS THAT WE ARE STILL IN THE
PROCESS OF ACQUIRING.
WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR FILL LOW DEPARTMENTS TO GO THROUGH
THE LIST.
IT IS A VERY LENGTHY PROCESS FOR THEM TO REVIEW ALL OF THEIR
HOLDINGS SO WE CAN SEE WHAT IS RETAPED AND HELD AND PROJECTS
OVER WHICH TIME THE NATURE OF THE PROJECT MAY CHANGE AND NOW
THOSE PROPERTIES ARE BACK AVAILABLE.
03:49:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LAST QUESTION -- SORRY.
03:49:26PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
THAT'S OKAY.
03:49:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHAT IS ON THIS LIST WILL ACCOMMODATE TO
100 INDIVIDUALS?
03:49:32PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
ESTIMATED 100 UNITS.
LOOKING AT -- WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE LIST, LOOKING AT
SQUARE FOOTAGE AND ZONING.
WE WERE NOT LOOKING IF IT HAS GRAND TREES.
OTHER ISSUES.
03:49:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GENERAL NUMBER.
A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY.
THIS LIST IS UP TO 100 INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN BE HOUSED.
SO, GOOD, THAT JUST ADDS TO THE BIGGER PICTURE HOW WE ARE
TRYING -- HOW WE WANT TO TACKLE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR
ATTAINABLE HOUSING SITUATION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:50:01PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
WE WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU WITH YOUR
REQUEST ABOUT THE -- I BELIEVE YOU USED THE TERM DERELICT
PROPERTIES.
WE ARE LOOKING AT OTHER PROPERTIES THAT MAY WORK FOR
COMMUNITY GARDENS BASED ON SIZE THAT DO NOT TAKE AWAY FROM A
HOUSING STOCK POTENTIAL FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
03:50:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
03:50:21PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I LOOK AT ALL THESE LOTS, AND THESE LOTS
SHOULD BE GOING IN A LAND TRUST.
THESE LOTS SHOULD BE GOING INTO A LAND TRUST TO KEEP THEM
AFFORDABLE I MEAN, THESE ARE A LOT OF LOTS HERE.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE AT WITH THE LAND TRUST RIGHT
NOW OR HOW FAR ALONG WE ARE, BUT THESE PROPERTIES SHOULD BE
GOING TO THE LAND TRUST TO BE MAINTAINED AS AFFORDABLE AND
KEEP THE PRICE DOWN AND TO BE ABLE TO -- IF A PERSON
OUTGROWS THIS HOUSE, ALL OF THE PROPERTIES SHOULD BE GOING
TO A LAND TRUST.
03:51:03PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
YES, BUT THERE IS NOTHING THAT PREVENTS
IT FROM BEING PUT IN A LAND TRUST IF IT IS ON THIS LIST.
03:51:13PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ABBYE FEELEY, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF
PLANNING AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
WE HAVE A STATUTORY OBLIGATION TO CREATE THAT LIST.
THAT IS WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
THIS DOESN'T EAR MARK ALL OF THESE TO GO TO DEVELOPERS OR TO
BE PUT IN A TRUST.
ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS MEET OUR STATUTORY REQUIREMENT TO
PRESENT THIS LIST AND PROVIDE IT TO THE STATE.
THAT IS WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
THEN WE WILL BE DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
WE WILL BE LOOKING AT THOSE THAT ARE GOING INTO THE TRUST.
LOOKING AT THOSE THAT WILL GO OUT IN A DIFFERENT FORMAT IF
THEY ARE LARGER CANNED YIELD US OTHER UNITS BESIDE THINGS.
WE WILL START NOW ONCE WE MET OUR STATUTORY OBLIGATION TO
START TO WORK ON WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE NEXT.
03:51:55PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
NOT THROWING LOTS OUT THERE.
BECAUSE A PRIMARY EXAMPLE HOW THE LAND TRUST CAN WORK.
AND YOU CAN KEEP ATTAINABLE HOUSING AND THE COST FACTOR DOWN
ON THESE FOLKS.
SO -- AGAIN, I WON'T BE HERE, BUT MR. CARLSON, YOU WILL BE
HERE.
GUIDO AND THIS HAS GOT TO BE -- YOU KNOW, THIS IS A BIG
THING WITH THESE PROPERTIES.
AND I JUST THINK THIS IS A PRIMARY EXAMPLE OF HOW YOU KEEP
CONTROL OF THE MARKET.
HOW WE KEEP CONTROL.
BECAUSE, WHEN, PROBABLY NEXT WEEK ONCE I LOOK INTO IT, I
WILL BE MAKING SURE TO BE ASKING AND PUT IN PLEAS THAT WE
TALK OF 10%.
IT WAS A HIGH NUMBER FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
BUT I BELIEVE WE ALSO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT INCH AT LEAST
MONEY IS MARKETED IN THE PIE FOR HOUSING IN THE GENERAL FUND
BUDGET.
THANK YOU.
03:52:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:52:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
COULD YOU PLEASE PUT THAT BACK UP.
THERE WAS A SPOT THAT YOU SAID YOU COULD CLICK TO SHOW THE
MAP.
AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT.
03:53:06PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THE MAP?
03:53:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
03:53:09PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
I HAVE IT RIGHT HERE.
CAN YOU PULL UP THE COMPUTER --
03:53:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF YOU CAN DRILL DOWN JUST KIND OF --
03:53:18PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
THERE WE GO.
SO WHEN YOU ZOOM INTO THESE, YOU CAN SEE THE INDIVIDUAL
PARCELS.
I WILL PICK THIS --
03:53:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, THAT IS FINE.
03:53:27PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
THIS IS THE PUBLIC FACING.
ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC ONCE WE PUBLISH THIS LIST WILL BE ABLE
TO -- THERE IT GOES.
WOULD BE ABLE TO VIEW THIS LIST.
CLICK ON ANY ONE OF THESE PARCELS.
ALL OF THESE LITTLE DIAMONDS REFLECT THE ADDRESSES THAT ARE
ON THE SPREADSHEET THAT YOU HAVE, AND THIS INFORMATION WILL
COME UP.
THE COUNCIL DISTRICT, THE SIZE, THE ZONING, AND ALSO FUTURE
LAND USE.
THEY WILL HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION, A LITTLE SNAPSHOT.
WE ALSO HAVE -- FOR ANYONE LOOKING AT IT FOR PLANNING
PURPOSES, YOU CAN ALSO GO OVER TO THE LAYERS AND PUT ON THE
FUTURE LAND USE.
THIS IS ZOOMED IN SO YOU CAN SEE IT FOR THE INDIVIDUAL
PARCELS AND SEE THE FUTURE LAND USE FOR ALL OF THAT.
03:54:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
THAT IS GREAT, BECAUSE I TEND TO AGREE, THESE -- I REALLY
WANT THE PUBLIC TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS BEFORE THIS COMES
BACK FOR PUBLIC DISCUSSION BECAUSE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS
WITH HE CAN DO WITH THESE AND I AM LOOKING FORWARD OF
HEARING WHAT THE PUBLIC SEES WITH -- WITH POTENTIAL FOR
THESE PROPERTIES.
SO I APPRECIATE THIS.
THANK YOU.
03:54:39PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
ONCE WE HAVE THIS -- TO ADDRESS THE
PUBLIC VIEWING OF THIS.
ONCE WE SET OUR PUBLIC HEARING FROM OUR GIS FOLKS MAKE IT GO
PUBLIC AND RIGHT ON THE CITY'S MAP PAGE WITH THE "AFFORDABLE
HOUSING" TITLE AND THEY WILL SEE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING LIST
AND THEY WILL BE ABLE TO CLICK DIRECTLY ON THIS MAP.
03:55:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:55:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES ABOUT IDEALLY
PUTTING MOST OF ALL OF THESE IN A LAND TRUST AND PUTTING
THEM AS A 99-YEAR LEASE WITH RESTRICTIONS FOR PEOPLE TO
BUILD HOUSING ON IT.
MY SECOND POINT IS, WHEN WE GET -- I KNOW WE HAVE PROBABLY
SEVERAL MEETINGS BEFORE THEN, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS
IS DONE FAIRLY AND EQUABLY IN THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY THE
NONPROFIT AFFORDABLE HOME BUILDERS HAVE BEEN SQUEEZED OUT BY
SOME OF THE BIGGER ONES WITH PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT.
FOUR YEARS AGO WE STARTED WITH A RFP FOR THREE LOTS AND ONE
BIDDER AND THE BID WAS ZERO.
I PICKED UP THE PHONE WITH THE NONPROFIT, THEY DIDN'T EVEN
KNOW ABOUT IT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE DO THIS IT IS FULLY IDENTIFIED
AND FOR INDIVIDUALS TO BUILD HOME.
A FAIR LOTTERY OR WHATEVER IT IS SO PEOPLE CAN DO IT MY
OTHER QUESTION IS, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE OTHER
PRESENTATION.
THE UPSIDE DOWN PYRAMID.
I WILL ASK THE QUESTION WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO THAT.
YOU MENTIONED IN THE LETTER ABOVE THAT.
MY NUMBER WON'T BE EXACTLY RIGHT, BUT THERE ARE, LIKE, 130
PROPERTIES THAT ARE SLATED FOR SOME INFILL DEVELOPMENT AND
CAN YOU DESCRIBE THIS LIST AND A DESCRIPTION OF THE MAP OF
THOSE PROPERTIES SOMEWHERE.
03:56:36PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
THERE ARE 17 PROPERTIES FOR INFILL 3.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF ABBY WANTS TO ADDRESS THE 17 PROPERTIES
THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT.
FROM THE 101 LIST WE STARTED DID NOT INCLUDE THE 17
PROPERTIES FOR INFILL 3, YOUR LIST OF 32.
SO HELD SEPARATELY.
03:56:54PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YOU ASKED ABOUT 131 PROPERTIES.
03:56:59PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MUST HAVE THOUGHT OF THE OVERALL NUMBER.
17 -- HOW MANY ARE IN THIS -- THIS BLUE LEVEL THAT SAID
LEASED TO THIRD PARTIES AND INFILL 2.
HUE MANY TOTAL PROPERTIES ARE IN THAT.
03:57:11PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
I DID NOT TALLY THAT UP.
03:57:14PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DO WE HAVE SOME WHERE THE LEASES ARE GOING
TO COME UP OR SOME DON'T HAVE ANYTHING DEVELOPED ON THEM
WITH THE LEASES COMING UP?
03:57:21PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
MOST OF OUR LEASES ARE COMMERCIAL.
03:57:24PM >>BILL CARLSON:
A LIST SOMEWHERE OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE
IN INFILL THREE AND TELL US IN 30 SECONDS WHAT WILL BE DONE
WITH THEM.
03:57:31PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
A RFP AND THEY WILL HAVE TO ADDRESS THE
LEGALITY OF ANNOUNCING THAT PRIOR TO RFP.
03:57:38PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
17 PROPERTIES WE ARE LOOKING TO INCLUDE IN
INFILL PHASE THREE.
AND WE CAME TO YOU, EIGHT HOMES THAT WERE COMPLETED AND
LIMITED TO THE 80%.
WE INCREASED TO 140% A IN,I.
WITHIN 48 HOURS OF DOING THAT, WE HAD FIVE OF THEM UNDER
CONTRACT.
WE ARE RIGHT NOW WORKING TO CLOSE OUT INFILL PHASE 2.
03:58:02PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THESE ARE PROPERTIES THAT ARE MORE THAN
SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS, RIGHT?
PROPERTIES.
03:58:16PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
PROPERTIES WEST OF NEBRASKA, SOUTH OF PALM
THAT HAVE ALLEYS THERE THAT WILL HAVE SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED
TOWN HOME STYLE THAT ARE NOT SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED.
SO USING OUR LOTS TO MAKE MORE THAN ONE HOUSE.
AND SEVERAL OF THOSE IN THERE.
AND THAT REALLY TO US OF THE FIVE OUT OF 17 IN CLOSE
PROXIMITY BORDERED BY THE INTERSTATE, PALM, NEBRASKA, WILL
CHANGE THAT ENTIRE LITTLE ENCLAVE.
03:58:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NONE OF THEM ARE SO BIG LIKE THE DRIVE-IN
MOVIE THEATRE.
03:59:00PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
WE DON'T ANYTHING THAT BIG, NO.
03:59:02PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY.
WE LOST OUT.
WE SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY AND HAD MONEY TO DO IT.
03:59:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CITY OF TAMPA DRIVE-IN.
03:59:14PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THE 17 IT -- WE DON'T WANT TO START INFILL
PHASE 3 UNTIL WE FINISH INFILL PHASE 2.
WE WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PROPERTIES IN THE PROGRAM
AND THE INCOME THAT COMES IN FOR THAT AND THE FUNDS WE HAVE
AVAILABLE TO DEVELOPERS FOR INFILL PHASE 2, GOT THE LOT AND
AN OPPORTUNITY FOR 7500 FOR THE COST TOWARD CONSTRUCTING THE
HOME AND OTHER THINGS.
WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THAT AND WE ARE ALMOST DONE.
03:59:41PM >>BILL CARLSON:
LOOK INTO PUTTING THOSE IN A LAND TRUST TOO,
THE PHASE 3.
03:59:46PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THE PHASE 3?
NO, WE ARE USING OTHER FUNDS THAT WOULDN'T ALLOW US.
RIGHT NOW WITH THE HUD FUND, THEY ARE DIFFICULT TO PUT THEM
INTO THE TRUST.
SO WHEN WE HAVE TO STAFF FUNDS IN ORDER TO MAKE IT WORK, WE
HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT.
04:00:05PM >>BILL CARLSON:
TWO LAST THINGS.
I WILL JUST ASK AGAIN MAKE SURE WE ARE TRANSPARENT TO
IDENTIFY SO WE DON'T HAVE ONE OR TWO BIDDERS AND NOT SHOW
PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT FOR ANY BIG BIDDERS.
THE SECOND THING IS THAT -- I SAW IN AN ANNOUNCEMENT WAS A
DEVELOPMENT WAS GIVEN CREDIT FOR 1,000 AFFORDABLE HOMES.
I WISH WE COULD -- I KNOW THERE IS A FEDERAL DECISION OF IT,
BUT AS CITY COUNCIL DEFINE WHAT THE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT
SENDS OUT.
I DIDN'T DRILL DOWN NO IN IT.
SO MANY THINGS ARE BEING CALLED AFFORDABLE HOME.
IF IT IS 140% OF AMI, IT IS NOT AFFORDABLE.
I SAW CRITICISM ON IT ONLINE HOW IT IS BEING USED.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO COORDINATE, IF THE ADMINISTRATION IS
TRYING TO HIT AN ASH TARRY GOAL -- ARBITRARY GOAL AND 140 OR
150% OF AMI.
I WOULD LIKE TO SET THE GOAL LOWER AND HIT THE GOAL.
BECAUSE IT IS NOT HELPING THE PEOPLE THAT WE NEED TO HELP.
04:01:12PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT FOR A
MOMENT, IF I MAY.
INFILL PHASE 2, 11 DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS.
SEVEN OF THEM SMALL DEVELOPER WHO NEVER IT DID BUSINESS WITH
THE CITY.
IT GOES THROUGH THE DEMAND ON-STAR SYSTEM.
ANYONE LISTENING TO A DEVELOPER THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE PART
OF THAT, THAT IS HOW THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE RFP GOES OUT
WITH A STANDARDIZED SYSTEM.
AND POST IT ON OUR WEB SITE.
IN ADDITION TO THE 10,000 TRACKER, WE DON'T REPORT ANYTHING
OVER 140 AMI.
THAT IS KAYON AND I THAT ARE PUTTING THOSE NUMBERS 234.
140% AMI OR LESS.
NO 150.
NO 199.
NOTHING IN THERE.
04:02:00PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WAS THROWING THEM OUT.
WHY YOU ARE YOU COUNTING OVER 100%.
I WOULDN'T COUNT THAT EITHER.
04:02:07PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
OUR BONUS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN DENSITY
BONUS GOES TO 120%.
AND THE DEFINITION BY THE STATE STATE GOES TO 140%.
SO THAT IS WHERE THOSE NUMBERS COME FROM.
04:02:20PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE OTHER THING -- I DON'T WANT TO TALK
ABOUT THE DETAILS OF THIS, BUT JUST A MONTH OR SO AGO I HAD
A COMPLAINT FROM A NONPROFIT THAT THEY CALLED A STAFF PERSON
AND THE STAFF PERSON TOLD THEM THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH A BIG
DEVELOPER IF THEY WANTED TO DO BUSINESS WITH THE CITY.
I REPORTED THAT TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND I THINK WE NEED TO
BE VERY CAREFUL -- I AM NOT SAYING THAT YOU DID IT, BUT
THERE IS -- LIKE WHAT WE TALK ABOUT PUBLICLY IN TERMS OF
TRANSPARENCY AND THE REPORTS WE ARE GETTING ON WHAT IS
HAPPENING BEHIND THE SCENES.
I KNOW -- THAT SITUATION, THE CHIEF OF STAFF HAS ADDRESSED
IT.
BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS MOVING FORWARD IN THE
SAME TRANSPARENT COMPETITIVE WAY.
THANK YOU.
04:03:01PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
04:03:03PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
TWO THINGS.
I THOUGHT THE INFILL PROGRAM WAS STRICTLY FOR THE SMALLER
DEVELOPERS.
04:03:08PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
IT IS.
04:03:10PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THE FIRST TIME WHEN YOU DID THE FIRST ONE
YOU PUT IT OUT AND THE SMALL GUYS CAME.
YOU GOT FULL, RANDOLPH, A FEW MINORITIES IN THERE.
YOU ARE STILL DOING THE PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THOSE GUYS --
LOW-HANGING GUYS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.
04:03:24PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YES, SIR, WE ARE.
AND EACH TIME WE HAVE DONE A PHASE, WE HAVE WORKED TO MAK
IT MORE INCLUSIVE AND TARGET THOSE AIR GRASS THAT THOSE
INCOME LEVELS WE NEED THE MOST.
AND WE HAVE ALWAYS MADE ADJUSTMENTS BASED ON WHAT WE LEARNED
IN THE PHASE BEFORE THAT.
04:03:42PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MAKE SURE THE SMALL GUYS, THE SMALL BLACK
MINORITY BUSINESSES HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE PART OF THE
PROGRAM.
TWO, VAST MAJORITY OF THESE LOTS ARE IN THE CRA ZONE.
FROM WHAT I CAN SEE ON THIS FORM HERE.
MAST MAJORITY IN THE CRA.
04:04:01PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
MOST OF OUR INFILL AND SINGLE-FAMILY
LOTS CAME TO US FROM THE COUNTY.
THEY WERE GIVEN TO US BY THE COUNTY.
AND SO MOST OF THOSE BECAUSE OF THE GREAT RECESSION FROM '08
TO '15 AND '16 WHEN THE COUNTY GOT THEM AND GIVEN TO US
WHERE THE VAST MAJORITY ARE THAT WAY.
04:04:26PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE ADDRESSES ARE IN
THE CRA ZONE.
04:04:31PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTIES
GIVEN TO THE COUNTY IS IN DISTRICT 5.
04:04:38PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GOES TO ANOTHER POINT.
IF THAT IS THE CASE THE CRA HAS MONEY AS WELL AND THEY NEED
TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS BECAUSE MOST OF THE HOUSES ARE IN
THE CRA ZONE.
04:04:47PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
WHY MR. DRUMGO CAME AND PRESENTED TO
YOU IN JANUARY IN THE CRA MEETING AND INCLUDING THE CRAs AND
THE BOARD.
04:04:58PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
THEY NEED TO PUT DOLLARS TO BE PART OF A RFP AND SOMETHING
TO CONTROL THAT AS WELL OR WITH THAT LAND TRUST SITUATION
THAT IS BEING CONTROLLED.
BECAUSE THEY HAVE DOLLARS.
AND WHAT THEY NEED TO SPEND THE MONEY ON.
OKAY, THANK YOU.
04:05:14PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:05:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TO COUNCILMAN GUDES' POINT, ONCE THEY ARE ON
THE LIST THE CRA CAN STILL WORK WITH THEM FOR AFFORDABLE
HOUSING.
DOESN'T STOP US FROM USING IT -- OKAY.
I JUST WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK.
I THOUGHT SO, BUT ONCE IT GOES ON THIS LIST, IT HAS TO BE
USED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
04:05:35PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
OR THE PROCEEDS USED FOR AFFORDABLE
HOUSING.
04:05:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY, THANK YOU.
04:05:41PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
THE THIRD POINT I MADE, DOE DONATED TO
A NONPROFIT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF PERMANENT AFFORDABLE
HOUSING AND IT WILL BE A NONPROFIT THAT WILL QUALIFY UNDER
THAT.
04:05:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:05:56PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST ONE LAST THING.
DESPITE MY QUESTIONS AND PUSH PACK, I FORGOT TO SAY THANK
YOU TO THE TWO OF YOU AND ALL THE STAFF THAT PUT THIS
TOGETHER.
SOUND LIKE IT TOOK A LOT, A LOT OF TIME AND THIS IS A GOOD
PRESENTATION.
VERY INFORMATIVE AND WE ARE HEAR TO ASK TOUGH QUESTIONS.
NOT THAT WE ARE PUSHING BACK AGAINST YOU ALL FOR DELIVERING
THE MESSAGE.
THANK YOU FOR THE HARD WORK IN DOING THIS.
GREAT INFORMATION FOR US AND THE PUBLIC, THANK YOU.
04:06:21PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
APPRECIATE THAT.
IT IS FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
04:06:24PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MISS VAN LOAN, YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A MOTION
TO SET UP A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS?
04:06:30PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
YES, SIR.
04:06:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO MOVED.
04:06:33PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
WE ASK AT LEAST 45 DAYS OUT SO THAT,
ONE, WE CAN GET THE -- WE WILL PUBLISH THE MAP.
LET YOU ALL KNOW WHEN THE MAP IS LIVE AND YOU CAN ALSO SHARE
THAT AND WE WILL SEND YOU THE LINK TO THAT SO YOU ALSO HAVE
THAT AND THAT WILL GIVE THE PUBLIC AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO
REVIEW THAT MAP AND LOOK AT THE PROPERTIES.
04:06:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MAY 18.
04:06:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO MOVED.
04:06:59PM >> SECOND.
04:07:00PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AGAIN, A QUESTION WITH REGARD TO
ADVERTISING.
IS THAT DONE THROUGH THE CLERK'S OFFICE OR YOUR DEPARTMENT?
04:07:08PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
I WAS INFORMED THAT FOR ADVERTISING, IT
IS JUST STANDARD.
WE DON'T HAVE A 30 DAYS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AS FAR AS
MAKING NOTICE AHEAD OF TIME.
JUST MAKING NOTICE OF A PUBLIC HEARING THROUGH YOUR STANDARD
NOTICE WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE IS ENOUGH.
WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE EVERYONE ENOUGH TIME TO REVIEW THE
INFORMATION, IF WHAT I SAID MAKES SENSE AS THE LAYPERSON IN
THE ROOM ON THIS ISSUE.
04:07:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
INCH ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
04:07:43PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NEED TO BE A SPECIFIC TIME, YES, NO?
JUST PUBLIC NOTICE?
OKAY.
04:07:48PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DISCUSSIONS HAVE GONE WAY TOO LONG TODAY.
04:07:56PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
THANK YOU.
04:07:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IT PASSED.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20 -- SORRY AM I IN THE WRONG ONE.
17.
FILE NUMBER CM 23-80245.
MR. COTTON.
04:08:17PM >>ERIC COTTON:
ER RECOGNIZE COTTON, LAND DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION.
LET ME START OFF BY MAKING A RECOMMENDATION FOLLOW UP ON THE
JUNE 22 WORKSHOP AND PUT IT IN THE JULY CYCLE IF CHANGES ARE
DETERMINED TO BE MADE.
NOW THAT I PUT THAT ON THE RECORD, THIS IS AFTER COUNCILMAN
GUDES MADE THE MOTION REGARDING THE SIZE OF OUR SIGNS.
SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH BOTH THE GROUP FROM T.H.A.N.
AND WITH A GROUP OF DEVELOPERS AND ATTORNEYS REPRESENTING
DEVELOPERS OVER THE NOTICE ISSUES ON WHAT SIZE SIGNS WILL BE
RECOMMENDED.
THE NOTICE DISTANCE.
YOU KNOW, PUTTING QR CODES ON THE SIGNS AND STUFF, WHICH I
AM 234079 A TECH PERSON.
I KNOW I WORKED IN RESTAURANTS YOU PUT YOUR PHONE ON THERE
TO GET A MENU.
OTHER THAN THAT, I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT.
OUR RECOMMENDATION REALLY IS TO COME BACK ONCE -- WE ARE
HAVING ONGOING CONVERSATIONS WITH -- BOTH WITH THE T.H.A.N.
GROUP AND THE DISTANCE GOING OUT FOR NOTICE ON THE SIZE
SIGNS.
THE COUNTY CHARGES $107 FOR THEIR SIGNS THAT INCLUDES
THE COST OF POSTING.
THE ACTUAL COST OF THE SIGN ITSELF CONTACTED THE SIGNS -- IS
$47.
THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH THAT IS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE COUNTY
SCENES, FRAMED UNIT A TWO-BY-FOUR BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE
SIGNS.
IT GOES ON A METAL FRAME AND YOU STICK IT IN THE GROUND AND
THERE UNTIL THE HEARING TAKES PLACE.
TALK OF CHANGING THE COLOR OF THE SIGNS TO MAKE THEM BOLDER,
LIKE A NEON GREEN OREGON RANG SO THEY POP A LITTLE BIT MORE
BUT ALL THE ISSUES WE ARE DISCUSSING TO COME BACK TO YOU --
TO GO BACK TO COUNCIL IN JUNE.
04:09:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
04:10:00PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I DON'T KNOW IF WE ARE TALKING OF TWO
DIFFERENT TYPE OF SIGNS.
BUT THE SIGNS THAT I NORMALLY SEE FOR THE COUNTY ARE AND I
DON'T KNOW THE EXACT SIZE, BUT THOSE SIGNS YOU CAN SEE DOWN
THE BLOCK.
YOU CAN SEE THE COMMISSIONERS' FACES ON THE SIGNS.
I THINK WE MAY BE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT SIGNS.
04:10:23PM >>ERIC COTTON:
REFERRING FOR THE SIGNS POSTED FOR ABOUT
PUBLIC NOTICE FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
04:10:28PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THOSE SIGNS.
SIGNS FOR GENERAL INFORMATIONAL MEETINGS.
THAT IS WHAT I WAS SAYING.
MIRRORING WHAT THE COUNTY IS DOING.
MAYBE TWO TYPE OF SIGNS BUT MOST OF THE COUNTY SIGNS ARE
HUGE, STAND UP.
WITH A COMMISSIONER'S FACE.
A DATE, MEETING, TIME.
04:10:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ABOUT 3 X 3.
04:10:51PM >>ERIC COTTON:
I THOUGHT THE MOTION WAS FOR THE SIGNS
SPECIFICALLY FOR CHAPTER 27, PUBLIC NOTICES FOR VARIANCES,
REZONINGS, SPECIAL USE AND THAT.
04:11:01PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT IS GREAT AND NOT WHAT I WAS REFERRING
TO THAT DAY.
REFERRING TO THE COMMUNITY SIGNS AND WHAT ISSUES FOR ZONING
AND WHATEVER.
THEY HAVE SIGNS THAT THE PUBLIC CAN SEE REGARDLESS -- YOU
KNOW IF -- I AM LOOKING AT PEOPLE THAT CAN KNOW WHAT IS
GOING ON IN THE CITY.
04:11:18PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
COUNCILMAN GUDES, ABBYE FEELEY.
YOU MADE THIS MOTION TWO WEEKS AGO.
YOU PUT UP A SIGN.
I HAD TO GET A PICTURE OF THE SCIENCE.
A VISION ZERO MEETING SIGN.
VIK'S TEAM AND HIS TEAM.
04:11:34PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT WAS HORRIBLE.
04:11:37PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
WE WERE LOOKING AT THE SAME SIZE.
AND PEOPLE THOUGHT THIS MOTION CAME TO US. SO WE TOOK THE
ACTION AND HERE WE ARE ON THE MOTION.
HEARING WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU ARE
LOOKING FOR US TO LOOK HOLISTICALLY WHEN WE ARE PRESENTING,
YOU KNOW, PUBLIC MEETINGS CITY-WIDE FOR THERE TO BE -- THEN
I THINK THE MOTION MAY BE DIRECTED EITHER TO THE
COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE WE
CAN COME BACK TO YOU IN 60 OR 90 DAYS WITH A COMPREHENSIVE
STRATEGY ON HOW WE WOULD, YOU KNOW,.
04:12:15PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I DON'T THINK IT TAKES 90 DAYS.
04:12:17PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
MY DOCKET IS FULL ON CERTAIN THINGS, AND I
DON'T WANT TO COMMIT FOR SOMEONE WHO IS NOT HERE TODAY.
ALLOW US TO HAVE A UNIFICATION AND STRATEGY THAT WILL UNIFY
THAT FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT UTILITY AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DO --
04:12:34PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AGREE ON THAT POINT, ABBYE, EVEN WITH THE
SMALL SIGNS WITH ZONING, THAT IS TOO SMALL TOO.
NO ONE CAN SEE THAT.
I AM GLAD YOU DID BRING THAT BACK AS WELL, ERIC.
BUT ALSO WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT -- ANOTHER MOTION TO BE
MADE IS FINE, BUT YOU LOOK AT THE WHOLE CITY WHEN YOU TALK
ABOUT COMMUNICATIONS, EVENTS OR WHAT HAVE YOU, MEETINGS,
COMMUNITY MEETINGS OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
YOU CAN'T SEE ANY OF THIS STUFF.
I THINK AS A GOAL OF EVERYTHING.
SO IF YOUR DEPARTMENT DOES ONE SESSION AND THE COMMUNITY
DOES ANOTHER, I GET THAT, BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A
MEETING OF EVERYBODY TO SEE WHAT ARE THE RULES BECAUSE IT
COULD STILL BE A ZONING -- A RULE SAYING YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT
BIG OF SIGN IN THE CITY.
I DON'T KNOW.
BUT THE COUNTY COMES IN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY PUTS THE
SIGNS UP ON OUR CORNERS LIKE IT IS NOT A BIG DEAL, YOU KNOW.
SO THAT IS WHAT I AM REFERRING TO.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION OR TAKE THAT BACK.
WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO HERE?
04:13:35PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
WELL, THE MOTION SAID FOR REZONINGS, THAT'S
WHY WE ARE HERE.
AND WE ARE HAPPY TO HELP AND GET INVOLVED AND DO WHATEVER WE
NEED TO DO TO WORK WITH THE OTHER TEAMS THROUGHOUT THE CITY,
BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE PROBABLY DIRECTED AT THE
ADMINISTRATION AT SOME LEVEL OR COMMUNICATIONS SO WE CAN
ACTUALLY START LOOKING AT IT WHAT IT IS YOU BROUGHT FORWARD
OUTSIDE OF WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO REZONING-WISE.
04:14:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN MAKE THE SUGGESTION.
STAFF HAS REQUESTED A PARTICULAR DATE WITH REGARD TO THE
REZONING FOR THE JUNE -- TAKE THAT MOTION AND THEN TAKE UP
THAT ISSUE THEN.
WOULD THAT BE OKAY WITH YOU THEN?
04:14:13PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YES.
04:14:15PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU CAN JUST ASK WHAT DATE AGAIN.
04:14:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUNE 22.
HE MENTIONED THAT AT THE BEGINNING.
04:14:21PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUNE 22 FOR THE SIGNAGE WITH REGARD TO --
04:14:25PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
NO WE WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO SAY GOOD NEIGHBOR
NOTICE.
BECAUSE THAT ENCOMPASSES EVERYTHING FROM WHAT WE ARE LOOKING
AT WITH THE DISTANCE, LOOKING AT WITH THE SIGNS, POTENTIALLY
IS CERTIFICATE OF FILING.
OTHER ISSUES WORKING WITH JONATHAN AND THE DEVELOPMENT
STAKEHOLDERS ON TO REVAMP SOME OF THOSE ITEMS AND IMPROVE
PUBLIC NOTICE.
04:14:46PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WORKSHOP ON THE GOOD NEIGHBOR NOTICE AND
ETC.
YOU HAVE THAT MADAM CLERK?
THE 22nd OF JUNE.
04:14:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS THAT YOUR MOTION, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK?
04:15:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, I HAVE A QUESTION.
04:15:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
EVERYBODY IS RUSHING INTO IT.
ARE YOU FINISHING COUNCILMAN GUDES.
04:15:08PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WAS LISTENING TO MR. SHELBY --
04:15:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
GO TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WITH HER QUESTION.
04:15:14PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIR, POINT OF ORDER.
MR. SHELBY IS TRYING TO GET IT CLEAR ON THE ONE SITUATION
RIGHT NOW.
04:15:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I UNDERSTAND, BUT HE WANTS SOMEONE TO MAKE A
MOTION BEFORE WE GO FURTHER AND I BELIEVE COUNCILWOMAN HAS
ANOTHER QUESTION.
04:15:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS IT RELATED?
04:15:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
04:15:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT WAS THE WHOLE THING.
THESE -- THE SIGNS.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A WILDLY DIFFERENT DEFINITION.
EITHER -- EITHER IF YOU CAN TAKE PHOTOS WHILE YOU ARE OUT
AND ABOUT OR IF YOU ALL SEEM TO HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THESE
COUNTY SIGNS LOOK LIKE, I CANNOT VISUALIZE THEM.
I AM JUST A VERY VISUAL PERSON AND I THINK A LOT OF THAT
CONFUSION IS JUST THROUGH THAT.
IF WE CAN GET IMAGES FROM THE COUNTY OR WHATEVER ABOUT --
THEY OBVIOUSLY SEEM TO USE DIFFERENT SIZED SIGNS FOR
DIFFERENT THINGS.
IF MAYBE WE CAN GET -- JUST LOOKING AT WHAT THEY USE FOR
WHAT.
WHAT DIFFERENT SIZE SIGNS, WHAT COLORED SIGNS, JUST FOR AN
IDEA OF WHAT THE COUNTY USES VERSUS WHAT WE COULD USE.
BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WE ALL ARE AGREEING ON.
AND I PROBABLY THINK THE GROUPS YOU ARE TALKING TO ALSO
AGREE 2459 LITTLE SIGNS ON THE STAKES DON'T LAST.
I THINK WE ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT ON THAT AND JUST A MATTER
WHAT WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO LOOK LIKE.
ALL I AM ASKING IS VISUALS ON JUNE 22.
04:16:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OKAY.
NOW MR. COTTON, YOU ARE ASKING FOR A TIME TO COME BACK WITH
THIS?
04:16:41PM >>ERIC COTTON:
YES, SIR, ON THE JUNE 22 WORKSHOP THAT DATE.
04:16:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCILMAN.
04:16:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL MAKE A MOTION.
04:16:50PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:16:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH.
HE MADE THE MOTION, I WILL SECOND IT.
WHICHEVER WAY.
04:16:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
04:17:04PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
TWO SEPARATE -- ARE THEY -- ARE THEY NOT
TWO SEPARATE ITEMS?
04:17:12PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHAT SHE WANTED.
04:17:15PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHY US IS THE GOOD NEIGHBOR NOTICE.
NOW THE ISSUE THAT MR. GUDES RAISED WITH REGARD TO COMMUNITY
SIGNAGE FOR INTERDEPARTMENTAL COMMUNICATION FROM THE CITY TO
THE STAFF -- TO THE COMMUNITY.
IS THAT RIGHT?
04:17:28PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE CAN DO IT THAT WAY, MR. SHELBY.
04:17:30PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
HOWEVER YOU WISH, SIR.
04:17:33PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
HONESTLY -- I HEAR ABBYE SAYING IT, BUT ALL SIGNAGE IN THE
CITY REGARDING OF ZONING OR WITH COMMUNITY EVENTS, IS THERE
A ZONING OR PERMITTING ROOM FOR THE SIZE OF THAT SIGN IN
THIS CITY?
THAT IS WHY I GUESS IT WENT TO ZONING AND PERMITTING TO FIND
IF THE RULE IS A DIFFERENT RULE OR WHAT THE COUNTY IS DOING.
THAT IS WHAT I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
04:18:00PM >>ERIC COTTON:
I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
04:18:01PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS A REGULATION
REGARDING TO THE SIZE OF GOVERNMENT SIGNS.
IF WE WANT TOP CALL THE PUBLIC NOTICE SIGN A GOVERNMENT
SIGN; HOWEVER, WHEN APPLICATIONS COME THROUGH OUR OFFICE,
AND THEY ARE PAYING FOR A REZONING AND SPECIAL USE OR
WHATEVER, THE COST OF THAT SIGN IS IN THERE.
WHEN MOBILITY IS PUTTING ON A PUBLIC MEETING AND THEY ARE
PUTTING OUR THEIR OWN SIGN, TO ME, IN MY WORLD, THAT IS
SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
STORMWATER AND WASTEWATER WILL HAVE A PIPE MEETING AND
PUTTING OUT SOMETHING FOR THAT AND THEY USE A DIFFERENT KIND
OF SIGN.
TO ME THAT IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT TOO.
FROM WHAT YOU MADE THE MOTION TWO WEEKS AGO AND WHAT YOU
SHOWED, IT WAS MORE OF A CITY-WIDE PUBLIC NOTICE TYPE OF
SIGN VERSUS A ZONING APPLICATION TYPE OF SIGN.
BY UNDERSTAND THAT THE ISSUE IS PUBLIC NOTICE REGARDLESS,
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO BE LARGER AND MORE UNIFIED, BUT WHEN I
HEAR THIS DISCUSSION, AND IN OUR WORLD, IT IS TWO DIFFERENT
BUCKETS OF DISCUSSION.
ONE GOES WITH THESE APPLICATIONS.
AND ONE GOES WITH, HEY, CITY, WHEN YOU ARE DOING A MEETING,
IT NEEDS TO BE BIG AND LOOK LIKE THIS.
AND HERE IS HOW WE WANT IT.
SO I THINK THAT IS A DIFFERENT REPORT BACK TO YOU AS TO WHAT
WE COULD TO DO UNIFIED THAT TO MAKE THEM LARGER.
TO MAKE THEM MORE NOTICEABLE.
TO ENSURE THAT THE BRAND SOMETHING A CERTAIN WAY THAT YOU
KNOW IT IS A CITY OF TAMPA MEETING.
04:19:27PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
YOU GOT IT.
04:19:30PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THANK YOU.
04:19:30PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU GOT IT.
I WILL GO AHEAD TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE SECOND PORTION OF
THAT.
04:19:35PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THANK YOU.
04:19:36PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIR, MAKE A MOTION TO CLEAR THIS UP,
SIR.
04:19:40PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, SIR, PLEASE.
04:19:43PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MAKE A MOTION FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO
COME BACK WITH THE PROPER SIGNAGES WITH REFERENCE OF
COMMUNITY NOTICES, GOVERNMENT EVENTS, IN REFERENCE TO SOME
OF THE ACTIVITY -- ALL DEPARTMENTS AND MAYBE CAN MIRROR WHAT
THE COUNTY DOES AND THEIR PROCESS.
04:19:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
04:19:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NOW COUNCILMAN GUDES, I REMEMBERED THAT WE
HAD A DISCUSSION AT THE CRA, THAT WHEN CRA FUNDS WERE SPENT
ON FACADE GRANT AND THINGS LIKE, WE WANTED THIS SIGNAGE THAT
SAYS YOUR CRA DOLLARS AT WORK SO PEOPLE KNEW AND UNDERSTOOD
THEY COULD APPLY FOR THOSE GRANTS.
ARE YOU ALSO GOING TO ASK FOR THAT AS WELL WITH THAT.
04:20:22PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT WILL BE A CRA ISSUE, I BELIEVE.
04:20:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES AND SECONDED BY --
04:20:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUNE 22.
04:20:35PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIED.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:20:44PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO THANK BOTH OF YOU IN YOUR
DEPARTMENT ALSO -- THIS GOOD NEIGHBOR NOTICE IS CRITICALLY
IMPORTANT.
THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN ASKING FOR IT.
APPRECIATE YOU BEING THOROUGH WITH THAT AND WORKING WITH THE
COMMUNITY ON THAT.
IT WILL MEAN A LOT TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND OTHER FOLKS IN
THE COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU.
04:21:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20, FILE NUMBER CM
23-79785.
04:21:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CAN I READ IT.
SECOND READING OF THIS RESOLUTION AMENDING THE RULES OF
PROCEDURES GOVERNING MEETINGS OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE
CITY OF TAMPA, AMENDING RULE 3, CHANGING THE ORDER OF
BUSINESS AND CONDUCT OF REGULAR MEETINGS PERMITTING REMOTE
PARTICIPATION TO A MEMBER WHO IS NOT PHYSICALLY ABLE TO
ATTEND A MEET WHERE A QUORUM IS PRESENT.
AMENDING RULE 5 SAY HOW FOR VIRTUAL PARTICIPATION OF THE
PUBLIC USING COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY, CMT, AMENDING
RULE 6 REGARDING PETITIONERS' REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCES FOR
QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS ALLOWING FOR VIRTUAL PARTICIPATION
USING CMT.
04:21:55PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
04:21:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
04:22:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
04:22:03PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
: YES.
04:22:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
04:22:06PM >>BILL CARSON:
YES.
04:22:09PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, AND AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 25, FILE NUMBER E
2023-8, CHAPTER 18.
04:22:19PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
GOOD AFTERNOON, ANDREA ZELMAN, CITY
ATTORNEY.
THIS IS THE DRAFT FIRST READING -- SORRY ROAR NOT DRAFT, BUT
FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE HIRING OUTSIDE COUNSEL FOR
THE CRB IN RESPONSE TO THE MOTION YOU MADE WHEN PRESENTED
THE DRAFT ORDINANCE.
I MADE THE CHANGES THAT COUNCIL REQUESTED.
I WILL NOTE THAT I ALSO MADE ONE ADDITIONAL CHANGE IN THE
WHEREAS CLAUSE.
BY INCORPORATED LANGUAGE SUGGESTED BY THE ACLU ATTORNEY,
WITH REGARD TO THE PURPOSE FOR THE ORDINANCE.
AND I DID NOT INCLUDE ONE PHRASE THAT HAD OPINION SUGGESTED
BY COUNCIL WHERE YOU REFERRED TO PRIVATELY OBTAINED OUTSIDE
COUNSEL BECAUSE, TO ME, THAT IMPLIES THAT IT WOULD BE A
PRIVATE ENTITY RETAINING THE ATTORNEY WHEN IT IS ACTUALLY
THE CITY RETAINING THE ATTORNEY.
SO, TO ME, THAT WAS CONFUSING.
AND I ALSO THINK IT IS UNNECESSARY BECAUSE -- NO THANK YOU
-- WE ARE SAYING THAT WE ARE GOING TO HIRE AN ATTORNEY WHO
IS NOT A CITY EMPLOYEE.
SO THAT IS A PRIVATE ATTORNEY.
IT IS NOT A PUBLIC EMPLOYEE.
SO WITH THAT, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ORDINANCE.
IF NOT, YOU CAN PROCEED TO FIRST READING.
04:24:04PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:24:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I SEE YOU HAVE IT.
IF THERE IS A WAY TO PUT IT ON THE ELMO BRIEFLY SO THE
PUBLIC MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEE IT.
04:24:15PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
ALL RIGHT, I CREATED A RED LINE COPY JUST
IN CASE YOU WANTED THAT VERSION OR THE FINAL VERSION.
04:24:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE FINAL VERSION I THINK WILL BE GREAT.
YOU.
04:24:35PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
THAT IS THE FIRST PAGE, AND, AGAIN, THE
ONLY THING THAT CHANGED ON THE FIRST PAGE, I ADDED IN THE
THIRD WHEREAS CLAUSE, LANGUAGE SUGGESTED BY THE ACLU
ATTORNEY.
READS, WHEREAS, THE CITY COUNCIL BELIEVES IT IS NECESSARY TO
AMEND THE LANGUAGE TO APPLY FOR A CRB LEGAL ADVISOR NOT A
CITY EMPLOYEE IN ORDER TO -- I ADDED HIS LANGUAGE WHICH WAS
ENHANCE THE PUBLIC'S CONFIDENCE IN THE DETERMINATIONS MADE
BY THE CRB AS FREED FROM OUTSIDE INFLUENCE.
ON THE SECOND PAGE, THIS IS WHEN WE CHANGED IT TO TAKE OUT
THE FORMER LANGUAGE THAT WAS THE -- THAT IS IN THE CODE NOW
ABOUT AN ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY SERVING AS THE LEGAL
ADVISOR.
AND ALSO THE LANGUAGE THAT I HAVE SUGGESTED ABOUT THE CRB
VOTING.
INSTEAD NOW IT READS, THE CRB SHOULD BE REPRESENTED BY AN
ATTORNEY WHO IS NOT A CITY EMPLOYEE AND THE CITY OF TAMPA
SHALL RETAIN THAT ATTORNEY AS FOLLOWS.
AND THEN, AGAIN IN RESPONSES TO YOUR MOTION, SUBSECTIONS C,
YOU HAD ME REWRITE IT TO SAY THE CRB MAY ESTABLISH
PROCEDURES TO SELECT ITS LEGAL ADVISOR.
SORRY, I AM READING THE RED LINE AND HARD TO READ.
THEN IN D, YOU HAD ME CHANGE IT TO SAY -- I HAD WRITTEN IT
TO SAY THE CITY ATTORNEY SHALL SELECT THE CRB LEGAL ADVISOR.
YOU HAD ME CHANGE IT TO SAY THE CITY ATTORNEY SHALL HIRE
THE CRB LEGAL ADVISOR BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF
THE CRB.
AND THEN ON THE LAST PAGE, AGAIN, THAT THE ACLU ATTORNEY'S
SUGGESTION, I WRITTEN THE CRB LEGAL ADVISOR WILL BE REMOVED
AS A MAJORITY VOTE FROM THE CRB.
HE MADE THE POINT IF HE HAD A QUORUM AT THE MEETING BUT --
BUT THOSE PRESENT WEREN'T ENOUGH WHERE EVEN IF THEY ALL
VOTED OR IF THERE WAS SOME VOTE, IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY
CONSTITUTE A MAJORITY OF THE CRB AS A WHOLE.
SO I ADDED THE WORDS -- MAJORITY VOTE AT A MEETING.
SO AS LONG AS A MAJORITY OF THOSE PRESENT AT A MEETING AT
WHICH THERE IS A QUORUM PRESENT, BECAUSE IF THERE ISN'T A
QUORUM PRESENT, THEY CAN'T PROCEED, THEY CAN -- AND THAT IS
THE LANGUAGE ABOUT WHERE THE CRB CAN REMOVE THE CRB
ATTORNEY, AGAIN, SUBJECT TO CONCURRENCE OF COUNCIL, THE CITY
COUNCIL.
04:27:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHOWING THOSE AGAIN.
I THINK THAT HELPS CLARIFY IT FOR THE PUBLIC.
SO I AM HAPPY TO READ THE ORDINANCE UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE HAVE
SOMETHING TO SAY.
04:27:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:27:38PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST QUICKLY.
THANK YOU, MISS ZELMAN, FOR WORKING ON THIS.
THREE OR FOUR THINGS IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS WHERE THE
COMMUNITY WANTS THE ADMINISTRATION AND CITY COUNCIL TO GET
ALONG.
ANOTHER GREAT EXAMPLE OF US WORKING TOGETHER AND LISTENING
TO THE COMMUNITY TO GET THINGS DONE.
LASTLY, I DON'T THINK THIS IS CONTROVERSIAL.
AND FOR ANYBODY -- ANYBODY ON ANY SIDE, THEY SHOULD BE HAPPY
THERE IS EVEN MORE BUILT-IN OBJECTIVITY IF YOU ARE SOMETHING
THAT IS LOOKING FOR GOOD GOVERNMENT.
OBJECTIVITY.
SOMEBODY ACCUSED OF SOMETHING AND TRYING TO BE PROTECTED,
THERE IS OBJECTIVITY AND THANK YOU FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE
PUBLIC WHO HAVE BEEN WAITING EIGHT HOURS FOR THIS TO COME
THROUGH.
THANK YOU.
04:28:22PM >>LUIS VIERA:
ALSO, IF I MAY.
04:28:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
04:28:27PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WANT TO OPINE ON THIS.
I VOTED FOR THIS SEVERAL TIMES AND I WILL VOTE IT AGAIN.
A REASONABLE STEP LIKE I SAID BEFORE.
NO, SIR NONCONTROVERSIAL.
I MADE MY POSITION FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS ON SOME OF THESE
ISSUES THAT HAVE COME FORWARD.
I ALWAYS SAID IT IS REASONABLE.
I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
AND I REALLY LIKE THE STEPS THAT MISS ZELMAN IN HER OFFICE
HAVE TAKEN JUST SOME COMMONSENSE SAFEGUARDS, MAYBE THINGS WE
DIDN'T THINK ABOUT, ETC., THAT ARE THERE FROM A MONETARY
PERSPECTIVE, MAKING SURE WE GET AN ATTORNEY WHERE A
REQUISITE EXPERIENCE, ETC.
AGAIN, THIS IS VERY REASONABLE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD
WORK ON THIS.
THANK YOU.
04:29:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYONE ELSE?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:29:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FILE NUMBER E 2023-8 CHAPTER 18.
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION,
ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AMENDING SECTION
18-8H 6 CITY OF TAMPA CODE TO PROVIDE FOR A CITIZEN REVIEW
BOARD LEGAL ADVISOR WHO IS NOT A CITY EMPLOYEE, PROVIDING
FOR SERVICEABILITY, REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES CONFLICT
HEREWITH PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
04:29:47PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND.
04:29:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND SECONDED
BY GUDES.
04:29:51PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
04:29:52PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
04:29:53PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
04:29:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
04:29:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
04:29:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
04:29:59PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO.
04:30:00PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH MANISCALCO, MIRANDA AND CITRO
VOTING NO.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE ON APRIL 6, 2023 AT 9:30
A.M.
04:30:11PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
04:30:13PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
YOU HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY.
04:30:17PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOVE 26-32.
04:30:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSE?
MOTION CARRIES.
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
04:30:27PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I MOVE.
04:30:29PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
04:30:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:30:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, I MOVE ITEMS 44-56.
04:30:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
04:30:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ST. MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
04:30:52PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE ITEM 57-63.
04:30:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
04:30:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND SECONDED
BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:31:05PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF ON 72 AND 7337 MOVE
64 TO 78 MINUS 72 AND 73.
04:31:15PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DO YOU WANT TOP ANNOUNCE.
04:31:16PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WILL DO IT IN A SECOND.
04:31:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND SECONDED
BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
04:31:26PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ON 73 AND 37, I WOULD LIKE TO FILE MY FORM
8B ON EACH OF THESE.
THE COMPANY OF WHICH I AM RETAINED DOES BUSINESS WITH AN
ENTITY THAT MAY HAVE AN INTEREST IN THIS.
JUST SO PEOPLE KNOW FOR THE FUTURE MAILERS, MY COMPANY HAS
NO PARTICIPATION AT ALL IN EITHER OF THESE MATTERS BUT IN A
ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, LEGAL SAID FOR ME TO ABSTAIN.
04:31:50PM >> MOTION.
04:31:55PM >> SECOND.
04:31:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE ITEM 72 AND 73.
04:32:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
04:32:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
04:32:04PM >> SECOND.
04:32:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
04:32:13PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ANNOUNCE THAT PLEASE FOR THE RECORD, MADAM
CLERK.
THE TWO -- THE VOTE ON THOSE TWO ITEMS 72 AND 73.
04:32:22PM >>CLERK:
TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
04:32:24PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BUT ABSOLUTELY STAIN.
04:32:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WE HAVEN'T VOTED YET.
04:32:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT IS LATE, I AM SORRY, FORGIVE ME.
04:32:31PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE 72 AND 73.
04:32:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
04:32:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE 79-84.
04:32:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
04:32:45PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
04:32:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IF WE DIDN'T 85, THAT IS SET REVIEW FOR
MAY 20, 2023 AT 10:30.
04:33:05PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND SECONDED
BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
04:33:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL RIGHT.
INFORMATION REPORTS.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
04:33:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NONE, SIR.
04:33:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES?
04:33:27PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I WOULD LIKE FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO BRING US AN UPDATE.
SEVERAL MEETINGS REGARDING EAST TAMPA REGIONAL COMPLEX.
I WANT TO PERSONALLY APOLOGIZE TO YOU, COUNCILMAN.
I UNDERSTAND YOU WERE DISRESPECTED THE OTHER NIGHT.
AND SEVERAL PHONE CALLS ABOUT THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL HAPPENED, SO, OF COURSE, I COULDN'T --
FOR SUNSHINE, I COULDN'T CALL TO ASK YOU ABOUT IT.
BUT I UNDERSTAND YOU WERE DISRESPECTED BY -- I GUESS THE
PRESENTERS OR WHOEVER IS OVER THERE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE
UPSET AND I WANT TO PERSONALLY APOLOGIZE TO YOU.
IT IS MY DISTRICT.
WE HAD INDIFFERENCES WITH THE SKANZA GROUP.
I UNDERSTAND THE OUTREACH IS NOT SUFFICIENT BECAUSE
CONCENTRATED ON THE WHOLE AREA AND NOT THE WHOLE EAST TAMPA.
I WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR YOU.
AND FOR THE LOGISTICS AND ASSET MANAGEMENT TO COME BACK WITH
AN UPDATE ON THE PROJECT.
PEOPLE ARE WONDERING WHEN THE DIRT WILL BE SHOVELED.
WE DON'T NEED THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH NOW.
AND WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.
ENOUGH IT ENOUGH.
WE KNOW WHAT THEY WANTED.
THEY ALREADY TOLD US WHAT THEY WANTED.
PROGRAMMING, YOU CAN DO LATER BUT THE GIST OF IT AND THE
BUILDING AND NEED IT MOVING.
IF WE CAN GET AN UPDATE ON THAT PROJECT BEFORE -- WHAT --
THE SOONER WE ARE GET IF IN APRIL BEFORE I GET OUT OF.
04:34:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
APRIL 20 IS A REGULAR MEETING BUT BUSY.
04:34:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
APRIL 6.
04:34:58PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
APRIL 6, BRING AN UPDATE THE EAST TAMPA
REGIONAL COMPLEX.
WE NEED A COMPLETE UPDATE ON THAT.
COMMUNITIES ARE GETTING ALL KIND OF MIXED INFORMATION,
TALKING ABOUT BEING BUILT IN 2027, 2029.
ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS WE ARE HEARING.
WE NEED A COMPLETE UPDATE ON THE PROJECT.
AND, AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE THE OTHER NIGHT BECAUSE YOU WERE
VERY DISRESPECTED THE OTHER NIGHT OF THE PRESENTERS OF THE
PROJECT.
04:35:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
04:35:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSE?
MOTION CARRIED.
IS THAT ALL?
04:35:38PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.
04:35:39PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:35:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
STAFF HAS REQUESTED A CONTINUANCE FOR FILE NUMBER CM
21-71562, SIRE ITEM NUMBER 7, 8, 834.
A SWAT ANALYSIS AND HOW THE TENANT OFFICE IS DOING AND IF
THERE ARE ANY AREAS WHERE CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE.
I MOVE TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO APRIL 20, 2023 TO MAY 4,
2023.
04:36:10PM >> SECOND.
04:36:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ACTED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
04:36:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
04:36:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MY SINCERELY OF THE CASTOR FAMILY FROM
THE PASSING OF SAM BELL.
SEVERAL COUNCILMEMBERS DID MAKE STATEMENTS, BUT I WOULD LIKE
TO REQUEST THAT YOU, AS THE CHAIR, REPRESENTING THE COUNCIL
SEND A LETTER OF CONDOLENCES TO THE HONORABLE BETTY CASTOR
AND U.S. CONGRESSWOMAN KATHY CASTOR.
04:36:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
04:36:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IS A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
04:36:56PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I HAVE A WORKSHOP IN APRIL ON ELECTIONS AND
THE GENTLEMAN WHO IS HELPING ME ON IT MATT NEWTON HAS A
CONFLICT.
MOVE IT TO THE MAY WORKSHOP.
04:37:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA AND SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED.
JOSH FELDER, A NEW MOVIE WITH WOODY HARRELSON AND JOSH THAT
MARTY GO THE TO MEET.
HE IS FROM TAMPA AND HE IS ON THE COVER OF THE POSTER WITH
WOODY HARRELSON BY IS SO COOL.
JOSH IS A GENTLEMAN WITH AUTISM AND A REALLY, REALLY NICE
GUY.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HIM BE PUBLICLY RECOGNIZED OF THIS ON
CITY COUNCIL ON APRIL 20, IF I MAY.
04:37:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:37:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAVE THREE.
ONE CAME UP BEFORE AND TWO CAME UP TODAY.
I WILL PROPOSE DRAFT ORDINANCES ON EACH ONE OF THEM.
AND I WILL ASK THAT IF YOU WILL DON'T -- IF YOU HAVE
QUESTIONS ABOUT IT OR NOT SURE, IF YOU COULD JUST APPROVE
PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA AND YOU CAN ALWAYS VOTE DOWN THE
DRAFT ORDINANCE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.
THE FIRST ONE IS -- THAT -- -- A FEW MONTHS AGO WE APPROVED
AT THAT WHOLE BASKET OF LAW FIRMS THAT WILL BE ABLE TO WORK
WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT POTENTIALLY SETS UP CONFLICTS OF
INTEREST.
IN TALKING TO A WHOLE BUNCH OF ATTORNEYS.
THERE ARE -- THERE IS A THING CALLED THE CONFLICT OF
INTEREST WAIVER THAT THE CITY HAS TO GIVE TO FIRMS.
SOME OF THE LAW FIRMS THAT ARE REPRESENTING THE CITY ARE
ALSO SUING THE CITY AND A WAIVER HAS TO BE GIVEN.
BY THE LEGAL DEFINITION I HAVE GOTTEN SEASON A CONTRACT.
SO THOSE REALLY SHOULD COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL FOR
APPROVAL.
THE FIRST ONE IS -- I MAKE A MOTION TO ASK STAFF TO RETURN
ON JUNE 1 WITH A DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT WILL REQUIRE THE LEGAL
DEPARTMENT TO BRING LAW FIRM CONFLICT OF INTEREST WAIVERS TO
CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.
04:38:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
04:39:00PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
04:39:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE SECOND ONE IS THIS ISSUE THAT WE
DISCUSSED TODAY OF PENDING LITIGATION.
AND LEGAL CAN SHOOT IT DOWN, BUT I THINK IT IS WORTH TRYING
TO BRING THIS BACK ON THE SAME DAY.
THIS IS ABOUT DISCUSSING PENDING LITIGATION.
MOTION TO ASK THE CITY STAFF TO RETURN ON JUNE 1 WITH A
DRAFT ORDINANCE TO REQUIRE THAT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND
CITY STAFF REFRAIN FROM DISCUSSING PENDING LITIGATION OR
PUBLICLY OR THE -- OR THE THREAT OF PENDING LITIGATION.
04:39:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
04:39:42PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY?
04:39:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
04:39:48PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AS A COURTESY.
GLAD THEY ARE BRINGING IT BACK FOR DISCUSSION AND I DON'T
KNOW THE LOGISTICS, BUT THAT IS FINE.
MY QUALIFIED VOTE, IF YOU WILL.
04:39:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
04:40:05PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
THE THIRD ONE GETS TO SOMETHING WE DISCUSSED BEFORE AND I
CAN GO INTO DETAILS IF YOU WANT.
ALL THE ADVICE I HAVE GOTTEN THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE
CHARTER, THE CHARTER CLEARLY SAYS THAT CITY COUNCIL IS THE
CLIENT OF THE CITY ATTORNEY AND SAYS THAT EACH OF US
INDIVIDUALLY IS A CLIENT OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.
IT SAYS THAT IN THE CHARTER.
IN A NORMAL ATTORNEY-CLIENT RELATIONSHIP, THE -- THE LAWYER
THAT REPRESENTS YOU WOULD NOT SAY ANYTHING TO THE MEDIA OR
TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT YOU.
ESPECIALLY IF IT IS DEFAMATORY OR WHAT IS CALLED EXTRA
JUDICIAL PREJUDICIAL COMMENT WITHOUT THE APPROVAL OF YOUR
CLIENT.
SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS MAKE A MOTION TO ASK CITY
STAFF TO RETURN ON WITH A DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT WOULD REQUIRE
THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT FROM MAKING VERBAL DEFAMATORY OR
COMMENTS ABOUT CITY COUNCIL WITHOUT PRIOR APPROVAL FROM CITY
COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR.
04:41:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SAY THAT AGAIN?
04:41:06PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM NOT QUITE UNDERSTANDING.
IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE ME -- SAY BEING BAD ABOUT ME, LET
THEM DO IT.
I AM NOT AFRAID OF THAT.
04:41:16PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE DIFFERENCE --
04:41:20PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WILL SUE THE LIVING -- OUT OF THEM.
04:41:23PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE DIFFERENCE IS -- IF IT IS LAWYERS
REPRESENTING THE -- THE CITY AND THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND SO SOMETIMES THERE ARE MEMOS THAT ARE WRITTEN THAT --
THAT ONE COULD CONSTRUE AS BEING DEFAMATORY.
THE IDEA IS TO PREVENT LAWSUITS.
IF WE HAVE THIS IN PLACE, IT WILL PREVENT ANY KIND OF
LITIGATION.
THE IDEA IS IN ESSENCE THE SIMPLE VERSION OF IT, THE LEGAL
TEAM CANNOT SPEAK OUT OF SCHOOL ABOUT THEIR CLIENTS WITHOUT
THE CLIENTS' APPROVAL WHICH IS WHAT THE NORMAL
ATTORNEY-CLIENT RELATIONSHIP IS.
YOU WANT ME TO READ IT AGAIN.
04:42:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT SOUNDS FAIR.
04:42:03PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NOTION ASK CITY STAFF TO RETURN ON JUNE 1
WITH A DRAFT ORDINANCE REQUIRE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO
REFRAIN FROM MAKING VERBAL OR WRITTEN DEFAMATORY OR COMMENTS
OF CITY COUNCIL COUNCIL OR THE MAY HAVE I DON'T REMEMBER
WITHOUT PRIOR APPROVAL FROM CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR.
04:42:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE.
IF SOMEBODY ACCUSES ME OF SOMETHING AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT
KNOW ABOUT IT, THEY CAN'T SPEAK ABOUT IT?
04:42:30PM >>BILL CARLSON:
BECAUSE THEY REPRESENT US, THEY WOULDN'T
MAKE A COMMENT WITHOUT HAVING IT APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL
AND THE MAYOR.
04:42:36PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY,
MR. CARLSON.
THAT MEANS THEN WE CAN SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
04:42:43PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE CAN INDIVIDUALLY SAY SOMETHING, BUT THE
-- THE --
04:42:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE LAWYERS CAN'T.
04:42:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DIFFERENCE IN THE PAST TO SOME EXTENT, THE
LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN USED KIND OF LIKE JUDGE AND JURY
AND SHOULD BE A LEGAL DEPARTMENT GIVING LEGAL ADVICE.
AND I THINK WE HAVE SEEN THE COLLABORATIVE RELATIONSHIP WITH
MISS ZELMAN IT HAS BEEN LIKE THAT.
BUT JUST THE NORMAL ATTORNEY-CLIENT RELATIONSHIP AN ATTORNEY
WOULD NOT SAY SOMETHING OUT OF SCHOOL ABOUT THE CLIENT
WITHOUT THEIR CLIENT'S APPROVAL AND IN THIS CASE IT MAKES IT
CLEAR SO SOMEBODY DOESN'T HAVE TO FILE A BAR COMPLAINT.
04:43:17PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WILL VOTE FOR IT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
04:43:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT, SECOND.
04:43:21PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
04:43:32PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANYTHING ELSE?
04:43:33PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT'S IT.
04:43:34PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I HAVE NOTHING.
04:43:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
04:43:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
04:43:38PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
04:43:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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