TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, APRIL 27, 2023
5:01 P.M.

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05:01:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ARE WE READY TO ROLL, MADAM CLERK?
ARE WE READY?
OKAY.
[GAVEL SOUNDING]
CITY COUNCIL IS NOW IN SESSION.
ROLL CALL.
05:01:38PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
05:01:39PM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
05:01:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
05:01:42PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
05:01:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE.
05:01:48PM >>CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
05:01:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.
OUR ONE AND ONLY AGENDA ITEM TA/CPA 22-31.
LET'S DO THIS ONE MORE TIME.
05:02:10PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
05:02:11PM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
05:02:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
05:02:13PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
05:02:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE.
05:02:17PM >>CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL FORUM.
05:02:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, CITY COUNCIL IS BACK IN SESSION.
ONLY ONE AGENDA ITEM FOR TONIGHT.
FILE NUMBER TA/CPA 22-31.
05:02:28PM >>ALVARO GABALDON:
YES.
GOOD EVENING, ALVARO GABALDON.
TA/CPA 22-31, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
FUTURE TEXT AMENDMENT FOR THE LAND USE ELEMENT.
IT MODIFIES EXISTING LANGUAGE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
WITH REGARD TO ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
IT -- BASICALLY THE EXISTING LANGUAGE ENABLES ADUs
THROUGHOUT RESIDENTIAL LAND USE CATEGORIES IN THE CITY.
ENABLES REGULATIONS TO BE CARRIED OUT BY THE CITY'S LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE.
BASICALLY THE PURPOSE OF THIS TEXT AMENDMENT IS TO CLARIFY
THE DEFINITION OF ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
THE CURRENT ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN EFFECTUALLY DEFINES
ACCESSORY UNITS AND REFERS TO THIS CONCEPT IN SEVERAL
DIFFERENT WAYS THROUGHOUT THE PLAN.
SO SOME OTHER TERMS IT USES ARE ACCESSORY DWELLINGS WITHOUT
THE WORDS UNITS, ACCESSORY SECOND UNITS, ACCESSORY
APARTMENTS, AND THEN, OF COURSE, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS
BUT DOESN'T DEFINE ADUs.
AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, WE ARE AMENDING EXISTING POLICIES TO USE
CONSISTENT LANGUAGE.
INSTEAD OF VARIETY OF NOMENCLATURE FOR AN ADU.
STRIKING ALL THOSE AND ONLY REFERRING IT TO AN
ADU IN THE PLAN AND FURTHER CLARIFYING LU 9.2.4.
AND A SECTION OF THAT POLICY INTO ITS OWN POLICY TO READ
CLEARER AND CLARIFYING THAT ADU ELIGIBILITY IS WITHIN ALL
THE RESIDENTIAL LAND USE CATEGORIES.
SO THIS IS THAT POLICY THAT HE JUST MENTIONED.
YOU CAN SEE WE STRUCK THROUGH THE LAST SENTENCE OF IT.
SO FOR THE PURPOSES OF CALCULATING DENSITY, ACCESSORY
DWELLING UNITS WILL NOT BE COUNTED AS SEPARATE DWELLING
UNIT.
THIS IS NOW ITS OWN POLICY THAT STRUCK-THROUGH PORTION.
SO YOU CAN SEE HERE IT APPEARS IN -- THIS NEW POLICY 9.2.78
WHICH IS ADUs WILL BE ONLY IN FLU DESIGNATIONS AND PURPOSE
IT DOES NOT COUNT FOR A SEPARATE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOUND THIS TEXT AMENDMENT CONSISTENT
WITH THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED TAMPA
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SPECIFICALLY GOV POLICY 1.1.3, 13.14.1,
AND THOSE TWO OTHER ONES, 8.15.1 AND 13.4.1.
SO, AGAIN, PLANNING COMMISSION HAS FOUND IN PROPOSED TEXT
AMENDMENT CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES
OF THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, AND I AM AVAILABLE TO ANSWER
ANY QUESTIONS.
05:05:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
05:05:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO THE ONLY THING IT IS DOING IS
CLEANING UP LANGUAGE THAT SHOWED THE ONE SIDE THAT STRUCK
THE LAST -- THAT IT WOULD NOT COUNT TOWARD CALCULATING
DENSITY, CORRECT?
FOR THE PURPOSES OF CALCULATING DENSITY, ADUs SHOULD NOT BE
COUNTED AS A SEPARATE DWELLING UNIT.
THANK YOU.
05:05:56PM >>ALVARO GABALDON:
YES.
HERE IS THE RESULTING NEW POLICY.
05:05:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY, THAT IS FINE.
THANK YOU.
05:06:02PM >>ALVARO GABALDON:
SO IN ADDITION TO THESE POLICY TEXT
AMENDMENTS, WE ALSO STRUCK THE OCCURRENCE OF ACCESSORY
DWELLING UNITS FROM THE ACTUAL CATEGORY DESCRIPTION.
THIS IS THE LAND USE MATRIX THAT IS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN.
YOU CAN SEE WE SIMPLY REMOVED ONE OF THE REFERENCES -- IT
SAYS ACCESSORY SECOND DWELLING UNITS.
OTHER PERMUTATION OF ADUs.
WE ARE TRYING TO CHASE THESE NOMENCLATURE THINGS DOWN AND
ENABLING A FOUNDATION FOR THE LDC TO HAVE A VERY CLEAR
CONVERSATION OF HOW ADUs ARE REGULATED IN TERMS OF WHAT THE
PLAN SAYS.
05:06:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
05:06:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU SAID.
AND THE -- THE TYPES OF THESE -- ARE THESE DIFFERENT TYPES
THAT YOU CAN PUT BACK THERE THAT FIT IN THE PLAN.
I REMEMBER AN AD -- NOT AN AD, BUT A STORY WRITTEN IN THE
"TAMPA BAY TIMES" REGARDING THE SAME OPERATION.
AND THEY -- THEY TALK ABOUT TWO TYPES, ONLY ONE WAS 600
SQUARE FOOT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW THAT ONE OR NOT AND THE TOTAL PRICE
THEY PUT ON WAS $258,000 FOR THAT.
I'M NOT SAYING -- I AM GOING BY MEMORY.
THE OTHER WAS 800-SQUARE-FOOT OPERATIONAL HOUSE OR WHATEVER
YOU WANT TO CALL THEM AND THAT WAS 300 AND SOME THOUSAND
DOLLARS.
AND I AM SAYING IF THE LAND IS ALREADY THERE, AND THAT IS A
LOT OF MONEY.
I KNOW YOU DIDN'T GO INTO THOSE TYPES.
YOU WENT INTO SOMETHING ELSE.
I SAW ONE -- TWO-CAR GARAGE AT THE BOTTOM AND AN APARTMENT
ON TOP.
SOMETHING CLOSE TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT I SAW IN
THE PAPER WAS FINE.
YOU COULDN'T UNDERSTAND $400 PER SQUARE FOOT, IF I REMEMBER
THE MATH THAT I DID.
WHAT ABOUT THE COST OF THESE THINGS COMPARED TO A REAL NICE
TRAVEL TRAILER THAT PEOPLE CAN LIVE IN?
IT COMES ALREADY WITH ALL THE AMENITIES IN IT.
I MEAN, I AM NOT OPPOSED TO DOING THAT, BECAUSE, GUESS WHAT,
A GREAT PERCENTAGE OF HOMES NO MATTER WHAT AREA OF THE CITY
ALREADY HAS THEM IN THE BACK YARD AND MAY NOT BE USED
BECAUSE THE LAW SAYS YOU CAN'T PUT IT TO THE FRONT OF THE
BORING OF THE HOUSE.
SO IF THOSE THINGS ARE FACTUAL, WHY IS IT THAT WE COULDN'T
CUT THE COST AND PUT A TRAVEL TRAILER IN THE BACK?
05:08:41PM >>ALVARO GABALDON:
I MEAN --
05:08:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM NOT SAYING AN IDEA BUT WHY IS IT NOT
CONSIDERED?
05:08:47PM >>ALVARO GABALDON:
PROBABLY NOT ALLOWED IN THE CODE.
STEPHEN?
05:08:50PM >>STEPHEN BENSON:
AT THE PLAN LEVEL, WHICH IS VERY PURPOSELY
BROAD, THEY DON'T -- IT IS NOT DISTINGUISHED AT THE CODE
LEVEL WHAT YOU ARE DESCRIBING WHICH IS LIKE A TINY HOME ON
WHEELS IS THE TERM THEY USE NOW, TINY HOME ON WHEELS WILL
MEET THE DEFINITION OF A MOBILE HOME.
SO THE -- BASED UPON HOW YOU WOULD DESCRIBE IT AND HOW --
WHAT IT IS REALLY.
05:09:13PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOBILE HOME IF YOU HAVE AN AXLE.
AND I WOULD SAY AGREE WITH YOU BUT YOU TAKE IT OFF, IT IS NO
LONGER A MOBILE HOME.
IT IS A STRUCTURE.
05:09:26PM >>STEPHEN BENSON:
THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE MOBILE HOME WILL
KICK IN.
I DON'T THINK WE PROMOTE MOBILE HOMES IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
A PROCESS.
05:09:36PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
GET A BROADER IDEA FOR MYSELF.
YOU TAKE THE AXLES OFF AND THE SAME THING THAT I SAW -- NO
DIFFERENT IF YOU PUT AN AXLE, A MOBILE HOME.
05:09:46PM >>STEPHEN BENSON:
MODULAR.
A LOT OF COMPANIES --
05:09:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MODULAR IS MODULAR.
I'M NOT IN THE MOBILE HOME BUSINESS.
LET ME CLARIFY THAT.
AND I AM TRYING TO GET THE BEST AND MOST INEXPENSIVE WAYS OF
DOING THINGS.
THANK YOU.
05:10:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
DO I HEAR A MOTION FOR TRANSMITTER.
05:10:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PUBLIC COMMENT?
05:10:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?
SEEING NONE.
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
05:10:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO TRANSMIT.
05:10:30PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND.
05:10:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
MOTION PASSES.
INFORMATIONAL REPORTS.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:10:45PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MENTIONED -- EARLIER I MENTIONED THE AUSTIN
HOUSING THING.
AND I REMEMBERED AFTER THE MEETING THAT I MADE -- I TOOK
THEIR BLUEPRINT WHICH MAYOR WELCH ALSO TOOK, AND HE WILL
CREATE A VERSION OF IT.
I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR EVERYBODY TO TAKE A LOOK
AT IT.
I MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE INTO THE RECORD.
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
05:11:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
05:11:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
MOTION PASSES.
COUNCILMAN VIERA?
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
COMMISSIONER REPORTS?
05:12:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, I AM GOOD.
05:12:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES, COMMISSIONER REPORTS.
05:12:19PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I SAVED THE BEST FOR LAST.
MY AIDE C.T. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I RECOGNIZED HER.
SHE IS MOVING ON.
AND SHE DID A GREAT JOB FROM THE TIME SHE WAS HERE.
SHE WAS STRONG.
SHE WAS LOYAL.
JUST LIKE MISS DEBBIE, MISS TONYA WAS.
LOYALTY MEANS A LOT AND ALL WERE VERY, VERY LOYAL TO ME AND
STOOD BY ME THROUGHOUT THICK AND THE THIN.
THEY WERE THERE.
C.T. CAME IN.
THE COMMUNITY EMBRACED AND ACCEPTED HER.
I WISH HER THE BEST IN THE ENDEAVOR.
LAST WEEKEND SHE WENT OUT AND DID HER OWN VOTER REGISTRATION
DRIVE.
SO PROUD OF HER.
I DIDN'T ASK HER TO DO IT.
SHE SAID I AM NEW HERE FROM ALABAMA AND THINGS DIFFERENT AND
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY NO ONE IS VOTING.
SHE WAS OUT THERE GETTING PEOPLE TO VOTE.
SO PROUD OF HER.
THANK HER FOR THE HARD WORK SHE DID FOR ME.
05:13:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
05:13:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NOTHING.
05:13:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
05:13:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE ARE ADJOURNED.


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THIS FILE REPRESENTS AN UNEDITED VERSION OF REALTIME
CAPTIONING WHICH SHOULD NEITHER BE RELIED UPON FOR COMPLETE
ACCURACY NOR USED AS A VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT.
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PROCEEDINGS MAY NEED TO HIRE A COURT REPORTER.