TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, APRIL 27, 2023
5:01 P.M.
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05:01:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE WE READY TO ROLL, MADAM CLERK?
05:01:30PM ARE WE READY?
05:01:32PM OKAY.
05:01:32PM [GAVEL SOUNDING]
05:01:35PM CITY COUNCIL IS NOW IN SESSION.
05:01:37PM ROLL CALL.
05:01:38PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
05:01:39PM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
05:01:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
05:01:42PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
05:01:47PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
05:01:48PM >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
05:01:51PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.
05:01:54PM OUR ONE AND ONLY AGENDA ITEM TA/CPA 22-31.
05:01:59PM LET'S DO THIS ONE MORE TIME.
05:02:10PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
05:02:11PM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
05:02:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
05:02:13PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
05:02:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
05:02:17PM >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL FORUM.
05:02:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, CITY COUNCIL IS BACK IN SESSION.
05:02:22PM ONLY ONE AGENDA ITEM FOR TONIGHT.
05:02:24PM FILE NUMBER TA/CPA 22-31.
05:02:28PM >>ALVARO GABALDON: YES.
05:02:31PM GOOD EVENING, ALVARO GABALDON.
05:02:35PM TA/CPA 22-31, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
05:02:43PM FUTURE TEXT AMENDMENT FOR THE LAND USE ELEMENT.
05:02:51PM IT MODIFIES EXISTING LANGUAGE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
05:02:56PM WITH REGARD TO ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
05:02:58PM IT -- BASICALLY THE EXISTING LANGUAGE ENABLES ADUs
05:03:04PM THROUGHOUT RESIDENTIAL LAND USE CATEGORIES IN THE CITY.
05:03:08PM ENABLES REGULATIONS TO BE CARRIED OUT BY THE CITY'S LAND
05:03:14PM DEVELOPMENT CODE.
05:03:14PM BASICALLY THE PURPOSE OF THIS TEXT AMENDMENT IS TO CLARIFY
05:03:17PM THE DEFINITION OF ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
05:03:21PM THE CURRENT ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN EFFECTUALLY DEFINES
05:03:27PM ACCESSORY UNITS AND REFERS TO THIS CONCEPT IN SEVERAL
05:03:30PM DIFFERENT WAYS THROUGHOUT THE PLAN.
05:03:31PM SO SOME OTHER TERMS IT USES ARE ACCESSORY DWELLINGS WITHOUT
05:03:36PM THE WORDS UNITS, ACCESSORY SECOND UNITS, ACCESSORY
05:03:40PM APARTMENTS, AND THEN, OF COURSE, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS
05:03:43PM BUT DOESN'T DEFINE ADUs.
05:03:46PM AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, WE ARE AMENDING EXISTING POLICIES TO USE
05:03:51PM CONSISTENT LANGUAGE.
05:03:52PM INSTEAD OF VARIETY OF NOMENCLATURE FOR AN ADU.
05:03:58PM STRIKING ALL THOSE AND ONLY REFERRING IT TO AN
05:04:02PM ADU IN THE PLAN AND FURTHER CLARIFYING LU 9.2.4.
05:04:09PM AND A SECTION OF THAT POLICY INTO ITS OWN POLICY TO READ
05:04:14PM CLEARER AND CLARIFYING THAT ADU ELIGIBILITY IS WITHIN ALL
05:04:17PM THE RESIDENTIAL LAND USE CATEGORIES.
05:04:19PM SO THIS IS THAT POLICY THAT HE JUST MENTIONED.
05:04:24PM YOU CAN SEE WE STRUCK THROUGH THE LAST SENTENCE OF IT.
05:04:27PM SO FOR THE PURPOSES OF CALCULATING DENSITY, ACCESSORY
05:04:32PM DWELLING UNITS WILL NOT BE COUNTED AS SEPARATE DWELLING
05:04:35PM UNIT.
05:04:36PM THIS IS NOW ITS OWN POLICY THAT STRUCK-THROUGH PORTION.
05:04:38PM SO YOU CAN SEE HERE IT APPEARS IN -- THIS NEW POLICY 9.2.78
05:04:45PM WHICH IS ADUs WILL BE ONLY IN FLU DESIGNATIONS AND PURPOSE
05:04:53PM IT DOES NOT COUNT FOR A SEPARATE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
05:04:59PM THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOUND THIS TEXT AMENDMENT CONSISTENT
05:05:02PM WITH THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED TAMPA
05:05:07PM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SPECIFICALLY GOV POLICY 1.1.3, 13.14.1,
05:05:14PM AND THOSE TWO OTHER ONES, 8.15.1 AND 13.4.1.
05:05:20PM SO, AGAIN, PLANNING COMMISSION HAS FOUND IN PROPOSED TEXT
05:05:24PM AMENDMENT CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES
05:05:28PM OF THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
05:05:29PM THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, AND I AM AVAILABLE TO ANSWER
05:05:33PM ANY QUESTIONS.
05:05:33PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
05:05:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO THE ONLY THING IT IS DOING IS
05:05:38PM CLEANING UP LANGUAGE THAT SHOWED THE ONE SIDE THAT STRUCK
05:05:41PM THE LAST -- THAT IT WOULD NOT COUNT TOWARD CALCULATING
05:05:45PM DENSITY, CORRECT?
05:05:46PM FOR THE PURPOSES OF CALCULATING DENSITY, ADUs SHOULD NOT BE
05:05:54PM COUNTED AS A SEPARATE DWELLING UNIT.
05:05:56PM THANK YOU.
05:05:56PM >>ALVARO GABALDON: YES.
05:05:57PM HERE IS THE RESULTING NEW POLICY.
05:05:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY, THAT IS FINE.
05:06:02PM THANK YOU.
05:06:02PM >>ALVARO GABALDON: SO IN ADDITION TO THESE POLICY TEXT
05:06:07PM AMENDMENTS, WE ALSO STRUCK THE OCCURRENCE OF ACCESSORY
05:06:14PM DWELLING UNITS FROM THE ACTUAL CATEGORY DESCRIPTION.
05:06:16PM THIS IS THE LAND USE MATRIX THAT IS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE
05:06:21PM PLAN.
05:06:21PM YOU CAN SEE WE SIMPLY REMOVED ONE OF THE REFERENCES -- IT
05:06:25PM SAYS ACCESSORY SECOND DWELLING UNITS.
05:06:29PM OTHER PERMUTATION OF ADUs.
05:06:32PM WE ARE TRYING TO CHASE THESE NOMENCLATURE THINGS DOWN AND
05:06:35PM ENABLING A FOUNDATION FOR THE LDC TO HAVE A VERY CLEAR
05:06:40PM CONVERSATION OF HOW ADUs ARE REGULATED IN TERMS OF WHAT THE
05:06:43PM PLAN SAYS.
05:06:44PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
05:06:49PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
05:06:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
05:06:51PM I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU SAID.
05:06:53PM AND THE -- THE TYPES OF THESE -- ARE THESE DIFFERENT TYPES
05:06:57PM THAT YOU CAN PUT BACK THERE THAT FIT IN THE PLAN.
05:06:59PM I REMEMBER AN AD -- NOT AN AD, BUT A STORY WRITTEN IN THE
05:07:06PM "TAMPA BAY TIMES" REGARDING THE SAME OPERATION.
05:07:12PM AND THEY -- THEY TALK ABOUT TWO TYPES, ONLY ONE WAS 600
05:07:17PM SQUARE FOOT.
05:07:18PM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW THAT ONE OR NOT AND THE TOTAL PRICE
05:07:21PM THEY PUT ON WAS $258,000 FOR THAT.
05:07:24PM I'M NOT SAYING -- I AM GOING BY MEMORY.
05:07:26PM THE OTHER WAS 800-SQUARE-FOOT OPERATIONAL HOUSE OR WHATEVER
05:07:33PM YOU WANT TO CALL THEM AND THAT WAS 300 AND SOME THOUSAND
05:07:38PM DOLLARS.
05:07:38PM AND I AM SAYING IF THE LAND IS ALREADY THERE, AND THAT IS A
05:07:44PM LOT OF MONEY.
05:07:44PM I KNOW YOU DIDN'T GO INTO THOSE TYPES.
05:07:46PM YOU WENT INTO SOMETHING ELSE.
05:07:48PM I SAW ONE -- TWO-CAR GARAGE AT THE BOTTOM AND AN APARTMENT
05:07:55PM ON TOP.
05:07:55PM SOMETHING CLOSE TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT I SAW IN
05:07:58PM THE PAPER WAS FINE.
05:08:00PM YOU COULDN'T UNDERSTAND $400 PER SQUARE FOOT, IF I REMEMBER
05:08:05PM THE MATH THAT I DID.
05:08:06PM WHAT ABOUT THE COST OF THESE THINGS COMPARED TO A REAL NICE
05:08:10PM TRAVEL TRAILER THAT PEOPLE CAN LIVE IN?
05:08:12PM IT COMES ALREADY WITH ALL THE AMENITIES IN IT.
05:08:15PM I MEAN, I AM NOT OPPOSED TO DOING THAT, BECAUSE, GUESS WHAT,
05:08:19PM A GREAT PERCENTAGE OF HOMES NO MATTER WHAT AREA OF THE CITY
05:08:23PM ALREADY HAS THEM IN THE BACK YARD AND MAY NOT BE USED
05:08:27PM BECAUSE THE LAW SAYS YOU CAN'T PUT IT TO THE FRONT OF THE
05:08:30PM BORING OF THE HOUSE.
05:08:31PM SO IF THOSE THINGS ARE FACTUAL, WHY IS IT THAT WE COULDN'T
05:08:37PM CUT THE COST AND PUT A TRAVEL TRAILER IN THE BACK?
05:08:41PM >>ALVARO GABALDON: I MEAN --
05:08:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM NOT SAYING AN IDEA BUT WHY IS IT NOT
05:08:47PM CONSIDERED?
05:08:47PM >>ALVARO GABALDON: PROBABLY NOT ALLOWED IN THE CODE.
05:08:49PM STEPHEN?
05:08:50PM >>STEPHEN BENSON: AT THE PLAN LEVEL, WHICH IS VERY PURPOSELY
05:08:54PM BROAD, THEY DON'T -- IT IS NOT DISTINGUISHED AT THE CODE
05:08:59PM LEVEL WHAT YOU ARE DESCRIBING WHICH IS LIKE A TINY HOME ON
05:09:01PM WHEELS IS THE TERM THEY USE NOW, TINY HOME ON WHEELS WILL
05:09:06PM MEET THE DEFINITION OF A MOBILE HOME.
05:09:08PM SO THE -- BASED UPON HOW YOU WOULD DESCRIBE IT AND HOW --
05:09:12PM WHAT IT IS REALLY.
05:09:13PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOBILE HOME IF YOU HAVE AN AXLE.
05:09:20PM AND I WOULD SAY AGREE WITH YOU BUT YOU TAKE IT OFF, IT IS NO
05:09:23PM LONGER A MOBILE HOME.
05:09:25PM IT IS A STRUCTURE.
05:09:26PM >>STEPHEN BENSON: THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE MOBILE HOME WILL
05:09:29PM KICK IN.
05:09:29PM I DON'T THINK WE PROMOTE MOBILE HOMES IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
05:09:35PM A PROCESS.
05:09:36PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: GET A BROADER IDEA FOR MYSELF.
05:09:39PM YOU TAKE THE AXLES OFF AND THE SAME THING THAT I SAW -- NO
05:09:43PM DIFFERENT IF YOU PUT AN AXLE, A MOBILE HOME.
05:09:46PM >>STEPHEN BENSON: MODULAR.
05:09:48PM A LOT OF COMPANIES --
05:09:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MODULAR IS MODULAR.
05:09:53PM I'M NOT IN THE MOBILE HOME BUSINESS.
05:09:55PM LET ME CLARIFY THAT.
05:09:57PM AND I AM TRYING TO GET THE BEST AND MOST INEXPENSIVE WAYS OF
05:10:02PM DOING THINGS.
05:10:03PM THANK YOU.
05:10:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
05:10:08PM DO I HEAR A MOTION FOR TRANSMITTER.
05:10:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PUBLIC COMMENT?
05:10:17PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?
05:10:19PM SEEING NONE.
05:10:20PM MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
05:10:22PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
05:10:24PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
05:10:25PM OPPOSED?
05:10:27PM MOTION PASSES.
05:10:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO TRANSMIT.
05:10:30PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND.
05:10:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
05:10:33PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
05:10:35PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
05:10:36PM ANY OPPOSED?
05:10:37PM THANK YOU.
05:10:37PM MOTION PASSES.
05:10:39PM INFORMATIONAL REPORTS.
05:10:42PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:10:45PM >>BILL CARLSON: MENTIONED -- EARLIER I MENTIONED THE AUSTIN
05:10:51PM HOUSING THING.
05:10:52PM AND I REMEMBERED AFTER THE MEETING THAT I MADE -- I TOOK
05:10:55PM THEIR BLUEPRINT WHICH MAYOR WELCH ALSO TOOK, AND HE WILL
05:11:01PM CREATE A VERSION OF IT.
05:11:02PM I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR EVERYBODY TO TAKE A LOOK
05:11:07PM AT IT.
05:11:07PM I MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE INTO THE RECORD.
05:11:09PM MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
05:11:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
05:11:13PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:11:16PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
05:11:18PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
05:11:19PM OPPOSED?
05:11:20PM MOTION PASSES.
05:11:21PM COUNCILMAN VIERA?
05:11:29PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO?
05:12:11PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
05:12:12PM COMMISSIONER REPORTS?
05:12:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, I AM GOOD.
05:12:16PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, COMMISSIONER REPORTS.
05:12:19PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I SAVED THE BEST FOR LAST.
05:12:22PM MY AIDE C.T. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I RECOGNIZED HER.
05:12:28PM SHE IS MOVING ON.
05:12:30PM AND SHE DID A GREAT JOB FROM THE TIME SHE WAS HERE.
05:12:32PM SHE WAS STRONG.
05:12:33PM SHE WAS LOYAL.
05:12:35PM JUST LIKE MISS DEBBIE, MISS TONYA WAS.
05:12:38PM LOYALTY MEANS A LOT AND ALL WERE VERY, VERY LOYAL TO ME AND
05:12:45PM STOOD BY ME THROUGHOUT THICK AND THE THIN.
05:12:47PM THEY WERE THERE.
05:12:49PM C.T. CAME IN.
05:12:50PM THE COMMUNITY EMBRACED AND ACCEPTED HER.
05:12:53PM I WISH HER THE BEST IN THE ENDEAVOR.
05:12:56PM LAST WEEKEND SHE WENT OUT AND DID HER OWN VOTER REGISTRATION
05:13:00PM DRIVE.
05:13:00PM SO PROUD OF HER.
05:13:01PM I DIDN'T ASK HER TO DO IT.
05:13:03PM SHE SAID I AM NEW HERE FROM ALABAMA AND THINGS DIFFERENT AND
05:13:08PM I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY NO ONE IS VOTING.
05:13:11PM SHE WAS OUT THERE GETTING PEOPLE TO VOTE.
05:13:13PM SO PROUD OF HER.
05:13:15PM THANK HER FOR THE HARD WORK SHE DID FOR ME.
05:13:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
05:13:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOTHING.
05:13:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
05:13:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
05:13:27PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
05:13:28PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
05:13:30PM OPPOSED?
05:13:31PM WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE ARE ADJOURNED.
DISCLAIMER:
THIS FILE REPRESENTS AN UNEDITED VERSION OF REALTIME
CAPTIONING WHICH SHOULD NEITHER BE RELIED UPON FOR COMPLETE
ACCURACY NOR USED AS A VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT.
ANY PERSON WHO NEEDS A VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT OF THE
PROCEEDINGS MAY NEED TO HIRE A COURT REPORTER.