TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, AUGUST 31, 2023
9:00 A.M.
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09:04:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
09:04:04AM WELCOME YOU TO THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP.
09:04:10AM CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
09:04:11AM IF WE CAN HAVE A ROLL CALL -- SORRY, A MOMENT OF SILENCE
09:04:15AM FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
09:04:18AM PLEASE STAND.
09:04:18AM [MOMENT OF SILENCE]
09:04:32AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:04:32AM [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:04:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
09:04:49AM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
09:04:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
09:04:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
09:04:54AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT.
09:04:56AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
09:04:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
09:04:58AM >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:05:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
09:05:01AM LET'S GO OVER THE AGENDA REAL QUICK.
09:05:03AM FIRST THIS IS NOT ON THE AGENDA.
09:05:04AM AT THE BEGINNING, WE WILL HAVE CHIEF TRIPP JUST GIVE US A
09:05:08AM BRIEF OVERVIEW ABOUT THE HURRICANE.
09:05:13AM IT WILL BE VIRTUAL.
09:05:15AM A QUICK UPDATE.
09:05:16AM CHIEF BENNETT WILL INTRODUCE THEM.
09:05:20AM A REQUEST FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 3
09:05:24AM TO THE OCTOBER 26 WORKSHOP.
09:05:28AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
09:05:29AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
09:05:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09:05:32AM ALL RIGHT.
09:05:32AM WE HAVE A MEMO RECEIVED FROM CHIEF BERCAW AND CHIEF TRIPP TO
09:05:38AM CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 7.
09:05:40AM I BELIEVE IT WAS FOR NEXT THURSDAY?
09:05:43AM OKAY.
09:05:43AM NEXT THURSDAY UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
09:05:46AM AND IT WILL COME -- IT WILL BE THE FIRST STAFF REPORT.
09:05:49AM AND WE WILL DISCUSS THAT FURTHER.
09:05:51AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WITH THE MOTION.
09:05:53AM DO WE HAVE A SECOND IN SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
09:05:57AM ALL RIGHT.
09:05:58AM WE HAVE A MEMO FROM CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE TO CONTINUE ITEM
09:06:03AM NUMBER 9.
09:06:03AM HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE TO FEBRUARY 22, 2024 WORKSHOP.
09:06:08AM MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:06:10AM SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:06:12AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09:06:13AM A REQUEST FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 10
09:06:16AM TO THE NOVEMBER 30 WORKSHOP, THAT'S CORRECT?
09:06:21AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES, SO MOVED.
09:06:23AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
09:06:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND A
09:06:28AM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
09:06:29AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09:06:30AM NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR TODAY'S WORKSHOP.
09:06:34AM LET'S GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AND THE ADDENDUM.
09:06:41AM MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
09:06:43AM SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:06:44AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09:06:45AM ALL RIGHT, -- SORRY, CHIEF BENNETT, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO
09:06:51AM FIRST.
09:06:51AM >>JOHN BENNETT: GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN.
09:06:53AM GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, AND GOOD MORNING, PUBLIC.
09:06:55AM JOHN BENNETT.
09:06:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: UNMUTE YOURSELF.
09:07:00AM >>JOHN BENNETT: I AM NOT MUTED ON MY END.
09:07:03AM CAN YOU HEAR ME?
09:07:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, GO AHEAD.
09:07:08AM >>JOHN BENNETT: JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
09:07:10AM GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:07:11AM GOOD MORNING, PUBLIC.
09:07:13AM THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE A QUICK
09:07:17AM OVERVIEW OF THE LAST 24 HOURS OF MANAGING THE STORM AND
09:07:20AM THANK COUNCIL ON BEHALF OF THE MAYOR AND STAFF OF ALL THE
09:07:23AM SUPPORT YOU GIVE US WITH THE RESOURCES TO SERVE THE PUBLIC
09:07:25AM THE WAY WE DID OVER THE LAST 48 HOURS.
09:07:27AM WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE, VERY BLESSED AND NOT SO MUCH FOR
09:07:32AM SOME OF OUR REGION AND OUR NEIGHBORS.
09:07:34AM BUT WE WILL WORK ALONGSIDE THEM TO MOVE THINGS FORWARD.
09:07:38AM THE LAST THING I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT BEFORE I TURN IT TO
09:07:42AM CHIEF TRIPP AND JOHN ANTAPASIS.
09:07:47AM OUR RELATIONSHIP IN THIS COMMUNITY IS INCREDIBLE.
09:07:50AM THEY WANTED TO OPEN SCHOOLS AND I GOT A CALL AT 2:30, BY
09:07:54AM 3 O'CLOCK WHEN THE MEETING HAPPENED WITH THE COUNTY AND THE
09:07:56AM SCHOOL DISTRICT, THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT CANVASSED THE
09:08:04AM SCHOOL AND ALLOWED THAT DECISION TO HAPPEN.
09:08:08AM REGION-WIDE RELATIONSHIP IN OUR COMMUNITY AND WE SHOULD ALL
09:08:12AM BE GRATEFUL FOR THAT.
09:08:13AM FOR THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO CHIEF TRIP AND JOHN ANTAPASIS
09:08:20AM SUS TO GET A QUICK UPDATE.
09:08:22AM >>CHIEF TRIPP: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:08:25AM CHIEF TRIPP, CHIEF OF FIRE DEPARTMENT.
09:08:30AM AND LIKE CHIEF BENNETT SAID OVER THE LAST 48 HOURS, A
09:08:35AM SPECIAL THANK YOU TO THE DEPARTMENTS THAT ASSISTED US IN
09:08:40AM THE EOC AND OUT IN THE FIELD AND FIRST RESPONDER WHO ARE
09:08:43AM HERE WORKING TIRELESSLY TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR COMMUNITY IS
09:08:48AM SAFE.
09:08:48AM JOHN WILL GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE LAST 96 HOURS AND IF
09:08:53AM WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE WILL ANSWER AFTERWARDS.
09:08:55AM JOHN.
09:08:56AM OKAY.
09:09:01AM YOU ARE MUTED, JOHN.
09:09:03AM WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
09:09:04AM >> CAN YOU HEAR ME, CHIEF?
09:09:12AM >>CHIEF TRIPP: YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW.
09:09:13AM >> PERFECT.
09:09:14AM THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
09:09:15AM CAN YOU GUYS SEE MY SCREEN?
09:09:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALMOST THERE.
09:09:20AM YES, WE CAN, GO AHEAD.
09:09:22AM >> OKAY, PERFECT.
09:09:23AM THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
09:09:25AM EMERGENCY COORDINATOR WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:09:27AM I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW OF HURRICANE
09:09:32AM IDALIA UPDATE IN THE LAST FEW DAYS OF OUR TIMELINE OF EVENTS
09:09:37AM AND WHAT WE GET FROM THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE AND THE
09:09:39AM NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER, THE PROTECTIVE ACTIONS WE TOOK AS
09:09:43AM THE CITY OF TAMPA AND HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
09:09:45AM AND OUR EMERGENCY RESPONSE EFFORTS WE TOOK WHEN THE STORM
09:09:49AM CAME AND PRELIMINARY DAMAGE ASSESSMENTS THAT WE HAVE AND WE
09:09:52AM ARE ONGOING THAT PRELIMINARY DAMAGE ASSESSMENT AND WANT TO
09:09:55AM GIVE YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW AS WELL.
09:09:57AM REAL QUICK ON THE TIMELINE OF EVENTS GOING BACK EVEN TO
09:10:01AM FRIDAY, WE HAVE BEEN MONITORING THIS SYSTEM AND JUST SHOWING
09:10:03AM ON THE SCREEN IS A SATELLITE IMAGE OF HURRICANE IDALIA AS IT
09:10:08AM WAS MAKING ITS WAY PARALLEL TO OUR AREA, THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:10:10AM GOING THROUGH THAT TIMELINE, YOU KNOW, AUGUST 25, WE WERE
09:10:18AM LOOKING AT THIS TROPICAL DISTURBANCE EARLY AND WE KNEW IT
09:10:22AM WOULD GO INTO THE WEEKEND AND WE WANTED TO MONITOR AND GET
09:10:26AM OUT THE INFORMATION EARLY BECAUSE EVERY TIME THERE IS A GULF
09:10:29AM STORM LIMBED TIME TO GET PREPARED AND RESPOND TO THESE TYPES
09:10:32AM OF INCIDENTS.
09:10:33AM AUGUST 26, TURNED INTO A TROPICAL DEPRESSION 500 MILES SOUTH
09:10:37AM OF TAMPA.
09:10:38AM AUGUST 27, WE HAD TROPICAL STORM IDALIA.
09:10:40AM THOSE "I" STORMS HAVE BEEN A BIG THREAT FROM IRMA, IAN AND NOW
09:10:48AM IDALIA.
09:10:48AM GOING TO AUGUST 28, WE HAD HURRICANE WARNINGS ISSUED.
09:10:51AM ON AUGUST 29, WE HAD POTENTIALLY A MAJOR HURRICANE
09:10:54AM FORECASTED TO IMPACT OUR AREA WHERE HURRICANE WARNINGS AND
09:10:59AM THOSE STORM SURGE WARNINGS WERE ISSUED FOR THE CITY OF
09:11:02AM TAMPA.
09:11:02AM AND THEN GOING INTO YESTERDAY MORNING, AUGUST 30, THE
09:11:08AM LANDFALL HAPPEN IN THE BIG BEND AREA OVER BY TAYLOR COUNTY.
09:11:11AM ON THE PROTECTIVE ACTIONS FOR THE CITY, WE WERE SENDING OUT
09:11:16AM MULTIPLE WEATHER BRIEFS, SITUATION REPORTS TO ALL OF OUR
09:11:20AM STAKEHOLDERS INCLUDING ALL OF CITY COUNCIL GETTING THOSE
09:11:23AM REPORTS READY TO PUT ON THE MESSAGE INTO THE WEEKEND FOR OUR
09:11:30AM CITY EMPLOYEES TO GET PREPARED WITH THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS FOR
09:11:34AM A POTENTIAL ACTIVATION ON THIS INCIDENT.
09:11:36AM WE IMPLEMENTED OUR DEPARTMENTAL PROTECTIVE ACTIONS.
09:11:39AM OUR DEPARTMENTS HAVE INDIVIDUAL EMERGENCY ACTION PLANS THAT
09:11:42AM THEY NEED TO PUT IN PLACE.
09:11:44AM AND THOSE WERE IMPLEMENTED DURING THIS STORM.
09:11:46AM WE ALSO ACTIVATED OUR "KNOW YOUR ROLE" PROGRAM AS A REMINDER
09:11:51AM THAT ALL OUR PLUS 4800-PLUS EMPLOYEES HAVE EMERGENCY ROLES
09:11:57AM IN THESE SITUATIONS.
09:11:58AM AND WE DO ACTIVATE THOSE ROLES FOR VARIOUS RESPONSIBILITIES
09:12:02AM THAT WE HAVE DURING THESE EMERGENCY SITUATIONS.
09:12:04AM OUR EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER WAS ACTIVATED, AS WELL AS
09:12:07AM OUR EMERGENCY RESPONSE CENTERS WHICH ARE OUR PUSH TEAMS THAT
09:12:12AM GO OUT POST-STORM TO CLEAR DEBRIS AND BEGAN THAT DAMAGE
09:12:17AM ASSESSMENT PROCESS.
09:12:18AM TAMPA FIRE RESCUE AND TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT IMPLEMENTED
09:12:21AM THEIR HURRICANE OPERATION PLANS.
09:12:22AM GOING BACK TO SUNDAY, WE ACTIVATED THREE SANDBAG
09:12:26AM DISTRIBUTION SITES TO GET THOSE SANDBAGS OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
09:12:30AM A LOT OF GREAT SUCCESS WITH THAT.
09:12:32AM OVER 50,000 SANDBAGS HAVE BEEN HANDED OUT TO OUR RESIDENTS
09:12:37AM AND NEW SANDBAG MACHINES WERE PUT INTO PLAY FOR THIS STORM
09:12:40AM AND IT REALLY INCREASED OUR CAPACITY TO GET OUR SANDBAGS OUT
09:12:44AM TO THE PUBLIC AND A LOT OF GREAT FEEDBACK WAS GIVEN FOR THE
09:12:48AM WHOLE PROCESS FOR THE SANDBAGS AND GETTING THEM DISTRIBUTED
09:12:51AM OUT EARLY SO OUR RESIDENTS CAN BE ABLE TO PROTECT THEIR
09:12:54AM HOMES WITH THOSE SANDBAGS.
09:12:56AM OTHER PROTECTIVE ACTIONS.
09:12:58AM WE HAD TO MOBILIZE EMERGENCY STAFF AND EQUIPMENT.
09:13:02AM OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE SOME TIME WITH THESE STORMS, BUT WITH A
09:13:05AM GULF STORM, AGAIN THAT CONDENSED TIMELINE HAD US MOVING
09:13:08AM QUICKLY HE TO MOBILIZE OUR EMERGENCY STAFF TO ALL OUR AREAS
09:13:12AM THAT WE NEED TO BE MOBILIZED TO AND GET OUR EQUIPMENT STAGED
09:13:15AM IN ALL THE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS WITHIN CITY OF TAMPA.
09:13:20AM OUR PROTECTION OF OUR CRITICAL FACILITIES WAS PUT IN PLACE.
09:13:24AM EVACUATION A ORDER WAS MADE IN CONSULTATION, OBVIOUSLY, AS A
09:13:28AM LEAD WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
09:13:29AM BUT THEY WERE IN CLOSE TALKS WITH US THROUGHOUT THAT PROCESS
09:13:32AM AND THE POTENTIAL STORM SURGE FOR THIS INCIDENT ALLOWED THEM
09:13:37AM TO MAKE THAT DECISION TO DO A LEVEL A EVACUATION ORDER.
09:13:41AM AT THE SAME TIME, WHEN THINK EVACUATION ORDER IS MADE THERE
09:13:45AM NEEDS TO BE GENERAL POPULATION AND SPECIAL NEEDS SHELTERS
09:13:48AM THAT WERE ALSO ACTIVATED DURING THIS INCIDENT.
09:13:50AM ALSO, IMPLEMENTED DURING THIS TIME WAS OUR EMERGENCY FUEL
09:13:53AM PLAN AND OUR EMERGENCY FEEDING PLAN.
09:13:54AM WE ALSO STOOD UP THE CITIZEN INFORMATION CENTER FOR CITIZENS
09:14:00AM TO GET INFORMATION ABOUT THE STORM WHETHER TO LOOK UP YOUR
09:14:03AM EVACUATION ZONE, KNOW WHERE THE SANDBAG LOCATIONS WERE,
09:14:08AM SHELTER LOCATIONS OR ANY OTHER INFORMATION RELATED TO THE
09:14:10AM STORM AND WILLS TO MITIGATE THOSE 911 CALLS THAT GO OVER TO
09:14:13AM OUR DISPATCH DURING THESE TYPE OF SITUATIONS.
09:14:16AM AND THEN THE CITY DID A BIG PUSH FOR A PUBLIC MESSAGING AND
09:14:21AM GETTING ALL THAT GOOD INFORMATION OUT TO OUR RESIDENTS SO
09:14:24AM THEY WERE ABLE TO GET PREPARED ON SOCIAL MEDIA, ALERT TAMPA,
09:14:28AM AND ALL THOSE TRADITIONAL MEDIA MEANS.
09:14:32AM INDIRECTLY AFTER THE STORM CAME THROUGH AND OUR IMPACT
09:14:40AM STARTED TO BE REALIZED, INITIALLY HIGH WATER RESCUE WAS
09:14:45AM CONDUCTED, FLOODED STREET RESPONSE AND BARRICADING TO CLOSE
09:14:49AM OFF STREETS FLOODED AROUND THE CITY.
09:14:50AM OUR PUSH TEAM RESPONSE WAS CONDUCTED IMMEDIATELY DURING
09:14:55AM DAYLIGHT HOURS AND THOSE WERE THOSE EMERGENCY RESPONSE
09:14:58AM CENTER PUSH TEAMS THAT GOES THROUGH OUR CRITICAL ROADWAYS
09:15:01AM THROUGHOUT CITY OF TAMPA TO MAKE SURE THAT DEBRIS IS OFF
09:15:04AM THOSE ROADS SO FIRST RESPONDERS CAN GET IN AND PROVIDE THOSE
09:15:08AM LIFE SAFETY MEASURES.
09:15:09AM WE ALSO DEPLOYED OUR EMERGENCY DRONE TEAM FOR THE FIRST TIME
09:15:13AM -- SECOND TIME SINCE IAN, BUT GREAT -- GREAT SUCCESS WITH
09:15:17AM THAT PROGRAM.
09:15:17AM A LOT OF GREAT SITUATIONAL AWARENESS.
09:15:20AM WE WERE ABLE TO GET THOSE DRONES UP IN THE AIR EARLY TO SEE
09:15:23AM ALL THE FLOODING IN THE STREETS THAT WAS GOING ON
09:15:26AM SPECIFICALLY AROUND BAYSHORE AREA, DAVIS ISLANDS.
09:15:29AM BUT THAT ALLOWED US GREAT SITUATIONAL AWARENESS BACK AT THE
09:15:33AM EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER.
09:15:34AM FINALLY, WORKING OBVIOUSLY VERY CLOSELY WITH TECO IN OUR
09:15:38AM EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER AS WELL.
09:15:40AM AS THOSE TEAMS WERE DOING THEIR PUSH AND DOWNED POWER LINES
09:15:44AM WERE IDENTIFIED, WE WERE ABLE TO GET THEM DIRECTLY OVER TO
09:15:48AM TECO TO TRIAGE AND RESTORE AND MITIGATE ANY RISK FOR THOSE
09:15:54AM DOWNED POWER LINES.
09:15:54AM THE PRELIMINARY DAMAGE ASSESSMENT.
09:15:56AM THAT IS STILL ONGOING.
09:15:58AM WE WILL BE DOING THAT CONTINUING TODAY.
09:16:01AM BUT INITIAL DAMAGES WERE IDENTIFIED.
09:16:03AM SOME ROADWAY DAMAGES.
09:16:04AM OBVIOUSLY DEBRIS.
09:16:06AM SIGNS AND SIGNALS WERE IDENTIFIED.
09:16:08AM THERE WAS SOME MODERATE DAMAGE TO SOME PUBLIC BUILDINGS THAT
09:16:12AM HAVE COME INTO US AS WELL.
09:16:13AM AND FROM THAT INITIAL RESIDENTIAL DAMAGE ASSESSMENT FROM OUR
09:16:17AM CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAM WAS IDENTIFIED SIX RESIDENTIAL HOMES
09:16:21AM THAT DID HAVE MODERATE DAMAGE FROM FLOODING AS WELL.
09:16:24AM BUT, AGAIN, THAT INFORMATION WILL CONTINUE TO BE UPDATED
09:16:28AM TODAY AND WE WILL BE IDENTIFYING ALL OF THOSE DAMAGES FROM
09:16:31AM THE STORMS.
09:16:31AM AND WE DO SUBMIT THAT UP TO HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND
09:16:34AM ULTIMATELY THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
09:16:35AM JUST FINALLY, I JUST WANTED TO -- ONE MORE ANNOUNCEMENT OF
09:16:42AM ALERT TAMPA FOR ANY OF OUR RESIDENTS WHO ARE NOT SIGNED UP
09:16:45AM TO ALERT TAMPA.
09:16:46AM YOU CAN SIGN UP VERY EASILY BY TEXTING THE WORD TAMPA READY
09:16:49AM AT 888777 OR TAMPA AT 888777.
09:16:57AM WE SEND OUT A LOT OF ALERTS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS TO
09:17:01AM GET OUR RESIDENTS INFORMED ON THE STORM AND ON SOCIAL MEDIA
09:17:06AM FOLLOW ON @ALERTTAMPA FOR OUR RESIDENTS, THE INFORMATION
09:17:11AM THAT WE GIVE OUT IN STORMS.
09:17:14AM AND WE ARE IN THE HEIGHT OF THE HURRICANE SEASON.
09:17:15AM A EARLY STORM FOR US, A GULF STORM IN AUGUST.
09:17:20AM I URGE OUR RESIDENTS TO CONTINUE TO GET PREPARED, LEARN FROM
09:17:22AM THIS INCIDENT.
09:17:23AM AND LEARN TO GET BETTER FOR POTENTIALLY THE NEXT ONE THAT
09:17:27AM MAY COME OUR WAY.
09:17:27AM I WANT TO THANK OUR CITY WORKERS AND EVERYONE WHO CAME
09:17:30AM TOGETHER DURING THESE LAST FEW DAYS.
09:17:32AM A LOT OF LONG HOURS, BUT EVERYONE WAS AT THE READY TO
09:17:36AM RESPOND TO THIS INCIDENT.
09:17:38AM >>CHIEF TRIPP: JUST TO REITERATE WITH THE ALERT TAMPA
09:17:43AM MESSAGES GOING OUT.
09:17:44AM WE HAD A TRANSLATOR FOR OUR SPANISH-SPEAKING COMMUNITY, AS
09:17:47AM WELL AS OUR ASL COMMUNITY THAT NEEDS SIGN LANGUAGE.
09:17:50AM SO WE ARE AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
09:17:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME?
09:17:56AM YES, SIR.
09:17:57AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
09:18:01AM I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION BUT WHAT I SAID IN MY COMMUNICATIONS
09:18:04AM WITH YOU THROUGH TEXT WITH YOU AND CHIEF BERCAW, WE REALLY
09:18:08AM APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK OF YOUR MEN AND WOMEN IN FIRE
09:18:11AM AND POLICE AND EVERYBODY IN THIS TIME.
09:18:13AM YOU KNOW, WE ARE ALL ANXIOUS DURING TIMES LIKE THIS.
09:18:16AM AND WE RELY ON PEOPLE LIKE TO YOU HELP GET US THROUGH IT.
09:18:19AM WE JUST APPRECIATE IT.
09:18:21AM SO GOD BLESS YOU.
09:18:23AM THANK YOU.
09:18:23AM >>CHIEF TRIPP: THANK YOU.
09:18:25AM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST ADD TO THAT.
09:18:27AM THANK YOU TO ALL THE STAFF -- HARD-WORKING STAFF AND FIRE
09:18:31AM RESCUE PEOPLE AND POLICE AWAY FROM YOUR FAMILIES HELPING US
09:18:36AM AND HELPING TO CLEAN UP EVERYTHING.
09:18:38AM ALSO FROM A CITY COUNCIL POINT OF VIEW, WE WERE MAINLY
09:18:41AM DEALING WITH CONSTITUENT ISSUES.
09:18:43AM IN MY DISTRICT WE HAD MASSIVE FLOODING AND OTHER KINDS OF
09:18:46AM ISSUES AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE DEPARTMENT HEADS
09:18:49AM FOR THEIR RESPONSIVENESS, ESPECIALLY TO CHIEF TRIPP, DR.
09:18:53AM CHIEF BERCAW AND VIK BHIDE.
09:18:56AM EVEN WITH EVERYTHING THAT WAS GOING ON, THEY WERE VERY QUICK
09:18:59AM TO RESPOND AND VERY QUICK TO GET CONSTITUENT ISSUES WHEN
09:19:03AM SOMEONE HAD FLOODING AND SOME KIND OF PROBLEM, THEY
09:19:07AM DISPATCHED TEAMS IMMEDIATELY.
09:19:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WILL ECHO THAT.
09:19:10AM THANK YOU TO MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM.
09:19:12AM FIRST RESPONDERS NONSTOP AROUND THE CLOCK.
09:19:15AM HAS NOT GONE UNNOTICED.
09:19:17AM TRUST ME.
09:19:17AM WE REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE DONE.
09:19:20AM THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT UPDATE.
09:19:22AM WE APPRECIATE YOU.
09:19:23AM >>CHIEF TRIPP: THANK YOU.
09:19:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:19:25AM NEXT UP WE HAVE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION FOR THE TAMPA
09:19:29AM SCORECARD BY WILL BE PRESENTED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:19:32AM AND THEN WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:19:38AM >>BILL CARLSON: GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY.
09:19:43AM THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO DO THIS.
09:19:45AM THE THIRD TIME I PRESENTED TAMPA SCORECARD.
09:19:48AM IF YOU LIKE WHAT IS PRESENTED THANK ST. CITY COUNCIL FOR
09:19:52AM ALLOWING ME TO PRESENT THIS.
09:19:53AM AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, BLAME ME.
09:19:56AM IS DR. SHIVENDU ON LINE?
09:19:59AM DR. SHIVENDU IS A PROFESSOR FROM USF.
09:20:03AM ONE OF THEIR TOP ECONOMISTS AND ANALYTICS PEOPLE.
09:20:06AM YOU ALL MAY REMEMBER WHEN WE FIRST PUT THIS TOGETHER, WE HAD
09:20:10AM CONSULTANTS FROM FLORIDA CHAMBER FOUNDATION, BE BRIGHT, USF
09:20:20AM AND THE DEAN OF THE COLLEGE OF BUSINESS AT USF WAS A BIG
09:20:24AM HELP TO US AND IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH
09:20:27AM FLORIDA AND HE IS STILL HELPING US AND SAYS HELLO TO US AND
09:20:31AM GIVES HIS GREETINGS.
09:20:32AM PRESENTED DR. SHIVENDU WHO LOOKED THROUGH THIS AND WILL BE
09:20:36AM ONLINE AND HELP US ANSWER QUESTIONS AT THE END.
09:20:39AM I HAVE ALEX FREY, AN INTERN HERE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO FOR
09:20:44AM ONE OF OUR PREVIOUS COLLEAGUES IS A ECONOMICS MAJOR.
09:20:50AM NOW IS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA GETTING HIS Ph.d.
09:20:57AM AND MY PRIOR AIDE.
09:21:03AM >> GOOD MORNING.
09:21:03AM I'M HERE.
09:21:04AM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP.
09:21:05AM IF YOU MEASURE SOMETHING AND YOU FOLLOW IT, IT GETS DONE,
09:21:09AM RIGHT.
09:21:10AM I LIKE TO COMPARE THIS TO THE CAPITAL MARKETS.
09:21:12AM IF YOU LOOK AT COMPANY, IF ANYONE INVESTED STOCKS, A
09:21:16AM STANDARD SET OF METRICS YOU LOOK AT.
09:21:18AM WHETHER THE COMPANY IS PROFITABLE OR NOT.
09:21:21AM YOU LOOK AT THE STOCK VALUE.
09:21:22AM YOU LOOK AT OTHER KEY METRICS.
09:21:24AM THOSE METRICS ARE MEASURED BY ACCOUNTING STANDARDS AND
09:21:28AM THE SEC STANDARDS AND OTHER LAWS.
09:21:29AM FOR CITIES, THERE IS NO STANDARD LIKE THAT.
09:21:32AM CITIES CAN MEASURE WHATEVER THEY WANT.
09:21:33AM YOU CAN PICK ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY YOU ARE DOING A GOOD
09:21:36AM JOB OR SOMEONE TO PICK WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SHOW YOU ARE
09:21:39AM DOING A BAD JOB.
09:21:41AM WHAT WE DID WAS LOOKED AT THE BEST CITY IN THE WORLD TO SEE
09:21:45AM HOW THEY MEASURE THEMSELVES.
09:21:46AM BEFORE I GET TO THAT, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT LEADERSHIP FOR A
09:21:49AM SECOND.
09:21:50AM A PROFESSOR FROM THE KENNEDY SCHOOL AND HE SAID WHAT PEOPLE
09:21:53AM RESIST IS NOT CHANGE, PER SE, BUT LOSS, PROGRESS ON PROBLEM
09:21:58AM IS THE MEASURE OF LEADERSHIP.
09:22:00AM LEADERS MOBILIZE PEOPLE AND LEADERS CHALLENGE THEM AND HELP
09:22:04AM THEM TO DO SO.
09:22:05AM AND AN EXAMPLE IS OUR COLLEAGUE, MR. VIERA -- COUNCILMAN
09:22:11AM VIERA, PUSHED US THE LAST FEW YEARS TO LOOK AT PUBLIC
09:22:15AM SAFETY.
09:22:16AM WE KNOW WE NEED MORE FIRE STATIONS AND AMBULANCES AND
09:22:19AM OTHERS.
09:22:19AM AN ISSUE LIFE AND DEATH ISSUE.
09:22:21AM IMPORTANT ISSUE.
09:22:22AM EVERY ONE OF US HAVE LED ON DIFFERENT ISSUES.
09:22:25AM ECONOMICS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS IN MY BACKGROUND.
09:22:30AM THE DIFFERENCE IS A CHARISMATIC LEADER CAN SAY EVERYTHING IS
09:22:34AM FINE.
09:22:34AM EVERYTHING IS GREAT AND ONLY LOOK AT THE THINGS YOU SEE.
09:22:37AM THAT HAS A GREAT PURPOSE.
09:22:38AM YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE POSITIVE THINGS, BUT YOU
09:22:41AM NEED TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE NEGATIVE.
09:22:42AM OUT OF TEN THINGS, FIVE ARE GREAT, YOU NEED TO BUILD OWN
09:22:46AM THOSE.
09:22:46AM IF FIVE ARE NOT GREAT, YOU NEED TO REPAIR THEM.
09:22:49AM THING CALLED VANITY RANKINGS USED IN PUBLICITY ALL THE TIME.
09:22:54AM CITY PR PEOPLE WILL SEND IT OUT.
09:22:56AM NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.
09:22:57AM YOU WANT TO PROMOTE YOUR CITY.
09:22:59AM WE ARE ALL BOOSTERS OF OUR CITY.
09:23:01AM WE BOOSTED IT ON OUR ACCOUNT.
09:23:04AM TAMPA IS NUMBER ONE FOR WOMEN TO START A BUSINESS.
09:23:08AM TOP BUSINESS FOR MILLENNIALS.
09:23:10AM RANKED NUMBER 3 IN CITIES THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO MOVE.
09:23:14AM GOOD OR BAD DEPENDING ON YOUR PERSPECTIVE, BUT KIND OF
09:23:17AM THINGS THAT ARE PROMOTED.
09:23:18AM DIFFERENCE IS VANITY RATINGS ARE DONE BY MAGAZINES AND
09:23:21AM ONLINE WEB SITES THAT WANT TO PROMOTE THEMSELVES.
09:23:24AM WHEN THEY CREATE A LIST, THEY GET PUBLICITY ON EVERY CITIES
09:23:28AM THEY WRITE ABOUT.
09:23:30AM THEY USE REGIONAL NOT CITY DATA.
09:23:32AM PART OF A REGION TAMPA BAY OR THE TAMPA, ST. PETERSBURG,
09:23:37AM CLEARWATER AREA, TYPICALLY IT GETS MEASURED DIFFERENTLY.
09:23:40AM THIS IS A LIST, A RECENT ONE THAT HAS GONE OUT ONE OF THE
09:23:43AM TOP TEN -- ONE OF THE TOP TEN METROS FOR PEOPLE COMING INTO
09:23:48AM THE CITY AND PROMOTED TAMPA IS ONE OF THE TOP PLACES THAT
09:23:51AM TAMPA WANTS TO MOVE TO.
09:23:52AM THIS IS THE ACTUAL CHART FROM THE WEB SITE WHERE THIS CAME
09:23:55AM FROM.
09:23:55AM THE MOST RECENT VANITY RANKING WE PROMOTED.
09:23:59AM NOTHING WRONG WITH PROMOTING IT.
09:24:01AM YOU LOOK AT THE TOP IS METRO, MSA.
09:24:03AM IT IS NOT TAMPA, BUT IT SAYS "TAMPA" IN RANKING.
09:24:08AM ORLANDO, THEY LIST TAMPA OR ORLANDO.
09:24:11AM THEY DON'T SAY ATLANTA METRO AREA.
09:24:13AM WHEN THEY SAY MIAMI, THEY ARE EVEN INCLUDING FT. LAUDERDALE.
09:24:16AM THIS IS NOT THE CITY.
09:24:17AM IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT A COMPANY, COMPANIES HAVE HOLDING
09:24:19AM COMPANIES AND THEN THEY HAVE BUSINESSES SBUs OR BUSINESS
09:24:23AM UNITS UNDERNEATH IT.
09:24:24AM YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND IF YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF THE WHOLE
09:24:27AM COMPANY, YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE BUSINESS UNITS ARE
09:24:29AM LOOKING LIKE.
09:24:30AM WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS LOOK AT THAT.
09:24:32AM WE RESEARCHED HOW THE BEST CITIES IN THE WORLD MEASURED
09:24:36AM THEMSELVES AND CREATED A LIST OF KEY METRICS.
09:24:38AM LOOK AT THE BEST CITIES AND HOW THEY PROMOTE THEMSELVES,
09:24:41AM WHAT THEY MEASURE, WHAT THE REAL ECONOMIC LISTS.
09:24:44AM WE WORK WITH PROFESSORS LIKE DR. SHIVENDU AND CAME UP WITH
09:24:49AM THE METHODOLOGY.
09:24:51AM HOW IS TAMPA SCORECARD DIFFERENT?
09:24:53AM BECAUSE AT ANY TIME IS LIKE THE TAMPA PARTNERSHIP ONE THAT
09:24:55AM DR. SHIVENDU HELPED PUT TOGETHER, BY THE WAY.
09:24:58AM NUMBER ONE, TAMPA ONLY DATA.
09:25:00AM NOT MSA.
09:25:02AM AS I SAID BEFORE, SOME PEOPLE SAY TAMPA AND THEY MEAN TAMPA
09:25:06AM BAY.
09:25:06AM THIS IS ONLY TAMPA DATA.
09:25:07AM HIGH-LEVEL INDICATORS ONLY.
09:25:10AM ONE OF THE PIECE OF FEEDBACK, WHY TEN INDICATORS INSTEAD OF
09:25:14AM 00.
09:25:15AM YOU CAN DO 300.
09:25:16AM I AM THE BOARD OF THE FLORIDA CHAMBER FOUNDATION AND PUT OUT
09:25:20AM FLORIDA SCORECARD AND LOTS OF DATA POINTS.
09:25:24AM WITH COMPANIES, 300, WHAT ARE THE TOP TEN IMPORTANT ONES,
09:25:27AM PROFITABILITY THAT YOU NEED TO LOOK AT.
09:25:29AM PRICE PER SHARE.
09:25:30AM PROFIT PER SHARE.
09:25:32AM WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT OUTCOME INSTEAD OF OUTPUT, RIGHT.
09:25:36AM SO AN OUTPUT WE HAVE MORE AMBULANCES.
09:25:40AM THE OUTCOME IS THAT WE SAVE MORE LIVES, RIGHT.
09:25:42AM IT COMPARES TAMPA TO PEER CITY.
09:25:46AM TOP CITIES IN FLORIDA AND WE USE THE SAME INFRASTRUCTURE AND
09:25:54AM WE LOOK AT BENCHMARK CITIES, AUSTIN, CHARLOTTE AND ATLANTA
09:25:57AM BECAUSE THOSE ARE THREE THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED A LOT IN
09:25:59AM THE COMMUNITY.
09:26:00AM WE USE -- SO YOU KNOW WHERE THE DATA CAME FROM, YOU CAN GO
09:26:04AM TO THE CENSUS BUREAU AND PULL THIS DATA YOURSELF AS WELL AND
09:26:07AM SOME OF IT WE GOT FROM OTHER GOVERNMENT DATA SOURCES LIKE
09:26:10AM THE FBI CRIME RANKINGS VETTED BY TOP ECONOMISTS THAT I SPOKE
09:26:19AM OF BEFORE.
09:26:19AM PER CAPITA INCOME.
09:26:22AM UNFORTUNATELY FOR COUNTRIES AND EVEN STATES, TOP INDICATOR
09:26:25AM WE WOULD USE WAS THE OVERALL ECONOMIC, GDP, GROSS DOMESTIC
09:26:33AM PRODUCT.
09:26:33AM A GROSS STATE PROJECT AND REGIONAL PRODUCT, BUT NO CITY
09:26:38AM VERSION OF IT.
09:26:38AM TOP ECONOMISTS SAY NO EASY WAY TO GET THE CITY NUMBER.
09:26:41AM SO WE HAVE TO APPROXIMATE THAT.
09:26:44AM IF WE HAD THE NUMBER THE NUMBER ONE NUMBER, LIKE
09:26:48AM PROFITABILITY FOR COMPANIES.
09:26:49AM WE LOOK AT PER CAPITA INCOME.
09:26:51AM MEDIAN INCOME, POVERTY RATE, UNEMPLOYMENT RATE,
09:26:57AM HOMEOWNERSHIP RATE, VIOLENT CRIME RATE AND EDUCATIONAL
09:27:00AM ATTAINMENT.
09:27:00AM THIS IS THE CONSENSUS THAT WE LOOKED AT.
09:27:03AM LET'S START WITH THE DATA.
09:27:04AM BY THE WAY, WE WENT BACK TO 2011 WITH THE DATA.
09:27:07AM SOME OF THEM MAY BE 2012.
09:27:09AM BUT MOST OF THEM 2011, THE REASON IS THAT THE GREAT
09:27:13AM RECESSION WAS 2009.
09:27:15AM SORRY, THE GREAT RECESSION ENDED IN 2009.
09:27:18AM IF YOU COUNT 2010, IT MAY BE AN ANOMALY.
09:27:21AM WE LOOK AT 2011, BECAUSE THAT IS THE START OF THE NEW
09:27:24AM ECONOMIC CYCLE SO WE CAN FOLLOW EVERYTHING.
09:27:27AM IF YOU LOOK HERE BY FAR, FT. LAUDERDALE HAS THE HIGHEST PER
09:27:31AM CAPITA INCOME.
09:27:32AM PER CAPITA INCOME TAKE ALL THE INCOME OF THE COMMUNITY
09:27:36AM DIVIDED BY THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
09:27:37AM EVERY CITY HAS A DIFFERENT NUMBER OF POPULATION.
09:27:40AM IF YOU LOOK AT THE INCOME BASED ON THE WHOLE POPULATION YOU
09:27:43AM GET A DISTORTED VIEW BECAUSE WHAT REALLY COUNTS HOW DOES IT
09:27:46AM AFFECT INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE.
09:27:48AM THIS IS PER CAPITA.
09:27:49AM FT. LAUDERDALE IS GENERALLY HIGH.
09:27:51AM ONE OF THE STRATEGY FOR THE CITY A LOT OF MILLIONAIRES AND
09:27:55AM BILLIONAIRES TOMORROW COULD YOU ARE IN WHY WHICH.
09:27:57AM SINGAPORE HAS SOMETHING LIKE 26 BILLIONAIRES AND YOU WILL
09:28:01AM SEE THE AFFECT OF THIS IN A MINUTE.
09:28:03AM INTERESTING HERE, TAMPA IS RED.
09:28:05AM THINK ABOUT 2011 TO 2020 WAS THE GREATEST ECONOMIC I BOON IN
09:28:13AM AMERICAN HISTORY.
09:28:14AM THE WHOLE COUNTRY BOONED.
09:28:16AM TAMPA IN RELATION TO THAT.
09:28:17AM SOMEWHERE AROUND 2018, ST. PETERSBURG PASSED TAMPA FOR THE
09:28:21AM FIRST TIME.
09:28:23AM SO FT. LAUDERDALE IS NUMBER ONE.
09:28:24AM ST. PETERSBURG IS NUMBER TWO.
09:28:26AM THIS QUESTION IS, WHAT IS ST. PETERSBURG DOING DIFFERENTLY?
09:28:30AM THE REST OF THEM MOVED IN THE SAME DIRECTION AND JACKSONVILLE
09:28:33AM DROPPED BEHIND MIAMI.
09:28:39AM YOU LOOK AT SOME -- NUMERATOR AND DENOMINATOR.
09:28:42AM ANY FACTORS THAT CAN THROW THESE NUMBERS OFF?
09:28:45AM WHAT IS THE POPULATION MA MAKES MORE THAN $200,000.
09:28:48AM THIS MEASURES FOR THE MILLIONAIRES THE COMMUNITY.
09:28:53AM TAMPA HAS THE SECOND HIGHEST LEVEL COMPARED TO FT.
09:28:57AM LAUDERDALE.
09:28:57AM FT. LAUDERDALE'S PER CAPITA INCOME IS HIGH BECAUSE SO MANY
09:29:00AM WEALTHY PEOPLE.
09:29:01AM I DIDN'T MEASURE ABOVE, BUT THE ULTRA WEALTHY IS IN FT.
09:29:05AM LAUDERDALE.
09:29:05AM WHAT YOU SEE WITH THE OTHER PEER CITIES, OUR PERCENTAGE IS
09:29:08AM HIGHER SO THAT WOULD THROW OFF OUR PER CAPITA INCOME IF WE
09:29:13AM ACCOUNTED FOR THAT.
09:29:13AM MIGHT MAKE OUR PER CAPITA SMALLER.
09:29:16AM THEN WE LOOK AT PER CAPITA INCOME COMPARED TO OUR BENCHMARK
09:29:22AM CITIES.
09:29:22AM WHAT IT SHOWS TAMPA IS THE RED AT THE BOTTOM.
09:29:25AM COMPARED TO OUR BENCHMARK CITIES, AUSTIN, CHARLOTTE AND
09:29:30AM ATLANTA, THEY ARE WAY AHEAD OF US.
09:29:32AM CLOSEST TO CHARLOTTE, BUT THEY ARE ALL WAY AHEAD OF US.
09:29:36AM THE INTERESTING THING, LOOK AT THE TRAJECTORY THEY ARE ON.
09:29:39AM LOOK AT THE TRAJECTORY THAT ATLANTA IS ON AND AUSTIN.
09:29:42AM THEY ARE GOING UP AT A HIGHER ANGLE AND GROWING AT A FASTER
09:29:47AM PACE THAN WE ARE.
09:29:48AM WE ARE GROWING, BUT NOT AT A FAST ENOUGH PACE.
09:29:51AM IF OUR GOAL, FOR EXAMPLE, WAS TO BE THE BEST CITY IN THE
09:29:54AM U.S. BASED ON ECONOMIC MEASURES, WE NEED TO DO A LOT MORE TO
09:29:58AM MOVE THAT NUMBER UP FASTER.
09:30:00AM WE ARE NOT ONLY CLOSE TO OUR BENCHMARK CITIES BUT NOT MOVING
09:30:03AM FAST ENOUGH.
09:30:04AM MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME.
09:30:07AM THE DIFFERENCE MEDIAN AND PER CAPITA, LOOKS AT THE WHOLE
09:30:11AM HOUSE HOLD AND TAKES THE MIDPOINT -- THE RANGE OF THE
09:30:15AM DIFFERENT DISTRIBUTION OF INCOMES.
09:30:17AM WHAT THIS SHOWS IS THAT FT. LAUDERDALE IS ON TOP, AS YOU
09:30:20AM MIGHT HAVE EXPECTED FROM EARLIER.
09:30:21AM ST. PETERSBURG IS NUMBER TWO.
09:30:23AM YOU LOOK AT THE GAP BETWEEN TAMPA AND ST. PETE.
09:30:27AM TAMPA IS THE RED AND ST. PETE IS THE BLACK.
09:30:30AM IT MEANS -- ONE OF OUR PEER CITIES JUST IN OUR REGION IS
09:30:34AM GROWING AT A VERY RAPID RATE.
09:30:37AM YOU ALSO SEE THAT -- SOMEWHAT IS IT, JACKSONVILLE DIPPED BE
09:30:45AM EMPLOYEE ST. PETE AND ORLANDO IN THE RECENT YEARS.
09:30:48AM NOT NECESSARILY CITY WE WANT TO FOLLOW.
09:30:51AM MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME COMPARED TO THE BENCHMARK CITIES.
09:30:55AM WE CAN SEE WE ARE PRETTY FAR BEHIND.
09:30:58AM LOOK AT NUMBERS IN CONTEXT.
09:30:59AM BECAUSE ON OUR OWN, WE CAN SAY OUR MEDIAN INCOME OR PER
09:31:04AM CAPITA INCOME IS GROWING BUT IN CONTEXT WE SEE HOW WE ARE
09:31:07AM DOING COMPARED TO EVERYBODY ELSE.
09:31:08AM LOOKING AT AN INDIVIDUAL STOCK ON THE STOCK MARKET COMPARED
09:31:12AM TO THE S&P 500 AND DOW JONES AVERAGE.
09:31:14AM MEDIAN INCOME DISPARITY OF AVERAGE MALE AND FEMALE FULL-TIME
09:31:19AM WORKER.
09:31:19AM ON AVERAGE WHAT A MAN EARNS VERSUS A WOMAN.
09:31:22AM YOU SEE IN MIAMI, THE DIFFERENCE IS $5,000.
09:31:25AM SO A MAN WILL EARN $5,000 MORE THAN A WOMAN.
09:31:28AM BUT IN TAMPA, IT IS $9,000.
09:31:32AM AND IT IS -- IT HAS GONE UP.
09:31:35AM SO FT. LAUDERDALE IS WORSE THAN US.
09:31:36AM ORLANDO IS WORSE.
09:31:38AM BUT THIS IS A NUMBER.
09:31:40AM WHEN I SPEAK TO GROUPS OF WOMEN, THEY ARE PRETTY UPSET WITH
09:31:44AM THIS NUMBER AND SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS.
09:31:46AM THEN WE LOOK AT HOW IS IT TRACKED OVER TIME.
09:31:51AM TAMPA IS THE RED.
09:31:52AM 2018, TAMPA DIPPED BELOW FT. LAUDERDALE, AND THEN ALSO
09:31:58AM AROUND 2019, DIPPED BELOW ORLANDO.
09:32:04AM SO OUR -- THIS IS THE NUMBER YOU WANT TO BE IN THE OPPOSITE
09:32:07AM DIRECTION.
09:32:08AM SORRY.
09:32:08AM SO THAT IS GOOD WE DIPPED BELOW THOSE TWO BECAUSE WE WANT
09:32:12AM THAT NUMBER TO GO DOWN.
09:32:13AM THE TRAJECTORY GOING UP BY 2021 AND WE WANT IT TO GO DOWN
09:32:18AM EVEN FURTHER.
09:32:19AM THE BEST IN THE STATE IS MIAMI AND ST. PETERSBURG AT
09:32:22AM ADDRESSING THE INCOME DISPARITY BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN.
09:32:25AM SO INCOME DISPARITY BETWEEN AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND
09:32:30AM CAUCASIANS.
09:32:31AM WHAT AN AVERAGE AFRICAN-AMERICAN EARNS VERSUS AN AVERAGE
09:32:35AM WHITE PERSON.
09:32:35AM JACKSONVILLE, THE DIFFERENCE IS $14,000.
09:32:39AM FT. LAUDERDALE -- THE HIGHEST PER CAPITA BUT INCOME
09:32:43AM DISPARITY OF $47,000 AND IN TAMPA $31,000.
09:32:48AM WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THE BUSINESS UNITS INSTEAD OF
09:32:51AM THE HOLDING COMPANY, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ST. PETE AND IS,
09:32:56AM $6,000.
09:32:56AM 35,000 IN ST. PETE AND $32,000 IN TAMPA WHAT THIS SHOWS IS
09:33:03AM THAT FT. LAUDERDALE HAS BEEN WORSE AND CONSISTENTLY WORSE
09:33:05AM AND IS GOING UP.
09:33:07AM TAMPA, THOUGH, IS THE SECOND WORSE AMONG THE SIX MAJOR
09:33:11AM CITIES IN FLORIDA AND THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE TRAJECTORY IS
09:33:14AM THAT IT IS GOING UP.
09:33:15AM SO WE WANT IT TO GO IN THE OTHER DIRECTION.
09:33:18AM WE DON'T WANT IT TO GO UP.
09:33:20AM THEN WE LOOK AT THE MIDDLE CLASS.
09:33:22AM LIKE MIDDLE CLASS IS A MEASURE OF EFFECTIVENESS OF ECONOMICS
09:33:27AM IN THE UNITED STATES.
09:33:28AM HOW DOES THE MIDDLE CLASS TOO.
09:33:30AM TAMPA IS SECOND TO LAST IN TERMS OF PERCENTAGE OF POPULATION
09:33:33AM IN THE MIDDLE CLASS.
09:33:35AM A COMMUNITY CANNOT SURVIVE ON JUST BRINGING MILLIONAIRES IN.
09:33:39AM YOU HAVE TO AFFECT THE MIDDLE CLASS.
09:33:41AM YOU SEE, AGAIN, FROM 2010 TO 2020, THE GREATEST BOON IN
09:33:45AM AMERICAN HISTORY IN ECONOMICS.
09:33:47AM TAMPA'S MIDDLE CLASS BETWEEN 2011 AND 2016 ACTUALLY SHRANK.
09:33:53AM FROM 2016, IT STARTED TO GROW, BUT ONLY SLIGHTLY.
09:33:57AM SHOWS WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO.
09:33:59AM NUMBER ONE, FOR MIDDLE CLASS IS ST. PETERSBURG AT 47%.
09:34:03AM PERCENTAGE OF POPULATION LIVING IN POVERTY.
09:34:09AM IN NUMBER WE WANT TO BE LOW.
09:34:11AM ST. PETERSBURG HAS THE LOWEST, 12.4%.
09:34:14AM YOU SEE THE -- THEY HAVE BEEN ON A GRADUAL DECLINE.
09:34:17AM THEY OBVIOUSLY SINCE 2014 HAD A PROGRAM TO END POVERTY
09:34:23AM ALTHOUGH IT POPPED UP A LITTLE BIT THE LAST YEAR.
09:34:25AM LOOK AT TAMPA.
09:34:26AM TAMPA IS THE SECOND WORST AMONG THE SIX MAJOR CITIES
09:34:30AM ALTHOUGH IT HAS BEEN DECLINING, IT IS HIGHER THAN OUR PEERS.
09:34:35AM PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE LIVING IN POVERTY COMPARED TO OUR
09:34:39AM BENCHMARK CITIES.
09:34:40AM ATLANTA IS WORSE THAN US, BUT WE ARE NOT -- WE ARE NOT AS
09:34:43AM GOOD AS AUSTIN AND CHARLOTTE.
09:34:46AM THIS IS UNEMPLOYMENT RATE.
09:34:49AM DIFFERENT WAYS OF LOOKING AT UNEMPLOYMENT RATE AND THIS
09:34:52AM NUMBER GOES UP AND DOWN.
09:34:53AM THIS WAS OF 2021.
09:34:54AM WHAT IT SHOWS JUST TRENDING OVER TIME.
09:34:57AM ST. PETERSBURG MASS THE BEST UNEMPLOYMENT RATE.
09:34:59AM THEY ARE THE BLACK LINE ON THE BOTTOM.
09:35:01AM THEIR UNEMPLOYMENT RATE WAS GOING DOWN.
09:35:05AM THIS HAPPENS WHEN YOU ARE IN A GOOD BOOMING ECONOMY.
09:35:07AM ANYTHING BELOW 5% IS CONSIDERED EXCELLENT.
09:35:10AM IN FACT MAYBE TOO MUCH, BECAUSE CAUSES INFLATION AS WE ARE
09:35:14AM SEEING NOW.
09:35:14AM BUT TAMPA -- TAMPA IN THE LAST TWO YEARS HAS NOW GONE TO --
09:35:20AM TIED TO NUMBER THREE.
09:35:22AM SO WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PACK THERE, WHICH -- WHICH
09:35:25AM SHOWS WE ARE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
09:35:27AM HOMEOWNERSHIP RATE.
09:35:29AM HOMEOWNERSHIP RATE JUST LIKE MIDDLE CLASS IS A SIGN OF
09:35:33AM BUILDING INTERGENERATIONAL WEALTH.
09:35:35AM I PUT SINGAPORE IN BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN UNIQUE PROGRAM WE
09:35:39AM CAN'T COPY BUT THEIRS IS 92%.
09:35:41AM ST. PETERSBURG HAS THE BEST AMONG OUR PEER CITIES, ALMOST
09:35:45AM 63%.
09:35:45AM AND WE ARE AT 50%.
09:35:46AM WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PACK.
09:35:48AM AND THAT NUMBER IS HIGHER THAN IT WAS, BUT WE NEED TO
09:35:51AM OBVIOUSLY WORK ON THAT.
09:35:52AM YOU LOOK AT THE TREND OVER TIME.
09:35:57AM ST. PETERSBURG STARTING IN 2016 SURPASSED JACKSON AND NOW BY
09:36:03AM FAR IS THE HIGHEST AMONG OUR PEER CITIES IN THE STATE.
09:36:05AM AGAIN, WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PACK.
09:36:07AM WE HAVE BEEN THERE.
09:36:09AM WE ARE NOT MOVING UP, WE ARE JUST MOVING SIDEWAYS.
09:36:13AM FROM 2011-2019, THE BIGGEST BOON IN AMERICAN HISTORY, OUR
09:36:18AM HOMEOWNERSHIP RATE WENT DOWN.
09:36:20AM THIS ONE I SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON IN THE LAST FEW DAYS.
09:36:24AM THANK YOU TO CHIEF BERCAW AND CHIEF BENNETT FROM HELPING ME
09:36:29AM WITH THIS DESPITE THE STORM.
09:36:31AM THIS CHART FROM THE FBI LIST.
09:36:32AM THE PAGE ACTUALLY CREATES THIS CHART.
09:36:34AM AND WE WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH IT.
09:36:37AM CHIEF BERCAW HAS THE UPDATED NUMBERS FOR 2021 AND 2022.
09:36:41AM THEY SUBMITTED IT TO THE STATE.
09:36:42AM THE STATE DID NOT SUBMIT IT IN TIME SO NOT INCLUDED IN THE
09:36:46AM FBI CHARTS.
09:36:47AM I WANT TO SHOW THE ACTUAL FBI CHART.
09:36:50AM IT IS PRETTY CONSISTENT AND STAYED THE SAME OR POPPED UP
09:36:54AM SLIGHTLY.
09:36:54AM BUT WHAT IT SHOWS IS A SPIKE OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS
09:36:58AM IN THE VIOLENT CRIME RATE.
09:37:00AM NOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT STATISTICS, YOU CAN PRESENT STATISTICS
09:37:04AM THAT MAKE IT LOOK GOOD OR BAD.
09:37:06AM THIS CHART IF YOU LOOK AT IT BY ITSELF LOOKS BAD AND A LOT
09:37:10AM OF THEORIES WHY IT HAPPENED AND CHIEF BERCAW WILL COME AND
09:37:13AM TALK TO US AT A FUTURE POINT HIS PERSPECTIVES ON THIS IF YOU
09:37:17AM COMPARE TO THE HOMEOWNERSHIP, THE DISPARITY RATE, THE
09:37:22AM POVERTY RATE, YOU CAN SEE A CORRELATION AS WELL.
09:37:25AM THE NEXT PAGE, WHY CONTEXT MATTERS IF YOU COMPARE THIS TO
09:37:28AM OUR PEER CITIES.
09:37:29AM IN THERE, ON A PER 100,000 BASIS, WE ARE THE BEST IN THE
09:37:35AM STATE.
09:37:35AM YOU LOOK AT THIS CHART, YOU THINK WE ARE DOING A TERRIBLE
09:37:38AM JOB.
09:37:39AM YOU LOOK AT THIS CHART, YOU THINK WE ARE DOING A GREAT JOB.
09:37:42AM HOW YOU PRESENT STATISTICS.
09:37:43AM WE WENT PACK AND FORTH AND THEY GAVE ME APPROVAL TO SHOW
09:37:49AM THESE.
09:37:49AM ONE TO THE NATIONAL CHIEF ORGANIZATION AND ONE THE FBI.
09:37:52AM BY THE FBI.
09:37:53AM PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE A BACHELOR'S DEGREE.
09:37:57AM AND HIGHEST AMONG OUR PEERS IN THE STATE WHICH IS A GOOD
09:38:00AM SIGN.
09:38:00AM COMPARED TO OUR BENCHMARKS, WE ARE THE LOWEST.
09:38:03AM MICHAEL PORTER, MANY OF YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OF, WROTE THE
09:38:08AM BOOK ON COMPETITIVE STRATEGY AND COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE FROM
09:38:11AM HARVARD BUSINESS SCHOOL AND COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGES OF THE
09:38:16AM NATION AND THE CITY.
09:38:17AM PRICE AND DIFFERENTIATION.
09:38:19AM CONSUMERS ARE PRICE SENSITIVE IF THEY ARE PURCHASING
09:38:23AM PRODUCTS THAT ARE UNDIFFERENTIATED WHERE QUALITY IS NOT
09:38:28AM IMPORTANT TO THEM.
09:38:29AM STRATEGY MAKING CHOICES.
09:38:31AM SOMEONE CAME TO YOU WITH A BRAND-NEW BMW AND SAID I WILL
09:38:35AM CHARGE YOU $10,000, WOULD YOU PROBABLY QUESTION WHY.
09:38:37AM SO WOULD YOU RATHER BE SELLING SOMETHING HIGH QUALITY WHERE
09:38:41AM YOU CAN CHARGE MORE OR WOULD YOU RATHER CHARGE FOR SOMETHING
09:38:45AM -- CHARGE LESS AND COMPETE CONTINUE TO PRICE.
09:38:47AM YOU ALL KNOW FROM THE HUNDREDS OF E-MAILS OF THE TAX
09:38:51AM INCREASE.
09:38:51AM PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING.
09:38:52AM THEY DON'T THINK THAT TAMPA IS A CHEAP PLACE TO LIVE.
09:38:55AM THIS IS A SCREENSHOT FROM THE EDC FROM SATURDAY, THIS PAST
09:39:00AM SATURDAY.
09:39:00AM THIS IS THEIR HOME PAGE.
09:39:01AM YOU CAN GO TO IT RIGHT NOW.
09:39:03AM IT PROBABLY SHOWS THIS.
09:39:04AM ON THEIR HOME PAGE, THEY ARE SELLING US BASED ON PRICE.
09:39:07AM AT THE VERY TOP OF THE PAGE, COST OF LIVING OF TAMPA BAY AND
09:39:12AM YOU CALCULATE HOW MUCH CHEAPER TO LIVE HERE.
09:39:14AM FLORIDA, NUMBER TWO BEST STATE FOR TAXPAYER ROI.
09:39:19AM THE POINT IS IF WE WANT TO SELL YOURSELVES, CAN'T BE BASED
09:39:23AM ON PRICE BUT DIFFERENTIATION AND HOW WE WILL BE SUCCESSFUL
09:39:26AM IN THE FUTURE.
09:39:27AM I INCLUDED THIS QUOTE FROM LAST TIME, BUT HE SAYS THE
09:39:31AM AMAZONS OF THE WORLD GO BEYOND THEIR RANKINGS AROUND
09:39:34AM RHETORICS, THEY LOOK AT THE FACTS AND KNOW THE FACTS BETTER
09:39:37AM THAN WE DO.
09:39:38AM I WENT TO A FRIEND OF MINE WHO WAS IN COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE
09:39:41AM AND HE SAID WHY ARE YOU PRESENTING NUMBERS SOME ARE NEGATIVE
09:39:44AM ABOUT IT. I SAID BECAUSE WE NEED TO FACE THE REAL NUMBERS.
09:39:47AM I SAID WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR CLIENTS THINKING OF MOVING TO
09:39:51AM TAMPA.
09:39:51AM DO THEY LOOK AT THE REAL NUMBERS OR PRESENTED TO THEM BY
09:39:55AM THE EDC AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS.
09:39:56AM HE SAID THEY HAVE SIGNIFICANT METRICS AND LOOK AT THE CENSUS
09:40:01AM DATA.
09:40:01AM I SAY THEY ARE SEEING THE REAL DATA.
09:40:04AM COMPANIES LOOKING TO INVEST AND PEOPLE LOOKING TO LIVE HERE
09:40:06AM THEY DON'T SEE THE STUFF THAT WE ARE PRESENTING AND
09:40:09AM MARKETING.
09:40:10AM THEY LOOK AT THE REAL DATA.
09:40:12AM THE DISPAR CEASE BETWEEN BLACK AND WHITE AND MEN AND WOMEN
09:40:15AM AND LOW HOMEOWNERSHIP RATE AND THEY LOOK AT THOSE FACTORS
09:40:19AM WHETHER THEY WANT TO LIVE OR STAY HERE.
09:40:20AM SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO MOVED HERE THE LAST FEW YEARS BECAUSE
09:40:23AM OF COVID THEY ARE THINKING WHETHER THEY SHOULD STAY OR NOT.
09:40:25AM THE POINT IS, WE NEED TO BE HONEST ABOUT OUR NUMBERS,
09:40:28AM ADDRESS OUR ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO
09:40:31AM BETTER IN THE FUTURE.
09:40:32AM CONCLUSIONS.
09:40:33AM TAMPA'S POLICY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO REDUCE POVERTY
09:40:39AM AND GROWING THE MIDDLE CLASS.
09:40:40AM WE NEED TO USE AN HONOR SCORECARD TO MEASURE WHERE WE ARE
09:40:44AM GOING AND WHERE WE WANT TO GO.
09:40:45AM IN TERMS OF NEXT STEPS, WE NEED TO FURTHER DESIGN THE
09:40:49AM SCORECARD AND GOALS.
09:40:50AM WE NEED TO GET MORE INPUT.
09:40:53AM ANALYTICS THAT DR. SHIVENDU.
09:40:57AM USF SAID WE WILL GIVE YOU A WHOLE BUNCH OF ANALYTICS PEOPLE.
09:41:02AM FOR FREE, WE WILL HELP WORK WITH YOU.
09:41:03AM AND WE NEED TO ENGAGE THEM.
09:41:06AM AND WE NEED A PLAN.
09:41:07AM SO FOLLOWING THE LAST TIME I PRESENTED, WE, CITY COUNCIL,
09:41:12AM RECOMMENDED CREATING AN ECONOMIC ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
09:41:15AM AND I NEGOTIATED WITH USF.
09:41:18AM GOT MICHAEL BLOOM AND MOSLI MIUM TO LEAD THE PROGRAM.
09:41:23AM DR. SHIVENDU LED THE DATA.
09:41:26AM A COMMITTEE OF 24 PEOPLE DIVERSE COMMITTEE THROUGHOUT THE
09:41:29AM COMMUNITY AND MET SIX TIMES TO LOOK AT THE DATA TO FIGURE
09:41:32AM OUT WHAT TO DO NEXT.
09:41:33AM THE MAJOR WAS SO EXCITED.
09:41:35AM SHE SAID I WILL RUN IT.
09:41:36AM THEY RAN IT.
09:41:37AM AND THERE IS A WHOLE PLAN THAT TAMPA.GOV/T3/ECONOMIC AND
09:41:44AM ANYBODY CAN LOOK.
09:41:45AM PROMOTE INCLUSIVE ECONOMIC GROWTH, REDUCE POVERTY, COMMIT TO
09:41:49AM RACIAL EQUITY AND EMPHASIZE EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES.
09:41:52AM SO MY SUGGESTION TO YOU ALL IS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION RUNS
09:41:59AM MANY OF THE PROGRAMS WITHIN THE CITY.
09:42:01AM AND THEY HAVE MANY LEVERS THAT THEY CAN PULL.
09:42:03AM BUT THIS IS NOW ALSO UP TO US.
09:42:06AM WE ALL ARE INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY AS VOLUNTEERS.
09:42:09AM WE ARE POLICYMAKERS.
09:42:11AM WE CAN SUPPORT BUDGET PRIORITIES.
09:42:13AM WE CAN SUPPORT INITIATIVES THROUGH THE CRAs.
09:42:16AM AND SO, REALLY, IT IS UP TO US TO FIGURE OUT IF WE WANT TO
09:42:21AM ADDRESS THESE NUMBERS AND HOW.
09:42:22AM SO THANK YOU.
09:42:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT WAS A WONDERFUL PRESENTATION.
09:42:25AM UP APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND EVERYBODY THAT TOOK
09:42:27AM PART IN IT.
09:42:28AM YOU BRING UP A LOT OF VERY GOOD POINTS.
09:42:32AM FIRST AND FOREMOST, WHY IS THERE INCOME INEQUALITY.
09:42:36AM WHY IS A MAN EARNING MORE THAN A WOMAN DURING THE SAME JOB?
09:42:41AM I NEVER UNDERSTOOD THAT.
09:42:42AM I THINK IT IS UNFAIR AND WRONG.
09:42:44AM I AM GLAD TO SEE A LOT OF POSITIVE MENTIONS HERE WITH
09:42:48AM REGARDS TO BACHELOR DEGREES.
09:42:50AM YOU KNOW THE CRIME RATE GOING DOWN, EVEN THOUGH IT SHOWED AN
09:42:54AM INCREASE IN 2020.
09:42:55AM WE HAVE HAD ALMOST 1,000 DAYS SINCE, SO, YOU KNOW, I AM NOT
09:43:00AM ASKING YOU, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW WE FAIRED SINCE 2020
09:43:04AM NOW THAT WE ARE APPROACHING THE END OF 2023 TO SEE IF WE ARE
09:43:07AM MAKING ANY IMPROVEMENTS OR GOING UP.
09:43:09AM ON THE LAST PAGE, THE ONE THAT IS RIGHT AFTER THIS, IT SHOWS
09:43:15AM PER CAPITA INCOME.
09:43:16AM TAMPA AT $40,000.
09:43:18AM NAPLES AT $126,000.
09:43:21AM NAPLES, AS I KNOW IT, HAS A LOT OF WEALTH, A LOT OF
09:43:26AM RETIREES.
09:43:27AM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU MEAN FT. LAUDERDALE.
09:43:29AM NAPLES IS NOT ON HERE.
09:43:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YEAH, ON THE LAST ONE.
09:43:35AM >>BILL CARLSON: OH, IN THE BACK.
09:43:37AM OKAY.
09:43:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BEST CITY IN FLORIDA, NAPLES.
09:43:41AM >>BILL CARLSON: GO AHEAD, SIR.
09:43:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A LOT OF WEALTH DOWN THERE.
09:43:44AM LIKE SAYING LOS ANGELES, BUT BEVERLY HILLS HAS THE -- THE
09:43:49AM UNEMPLOYMENT IS THE LOWEST TO PER CAPITA INCOME.
09:43:53AM >>BILL CARLSON: THIS IS A CHART -- THIS WAS AFTER THE
09:43:56AM PRESENTATION.
09:43:56AM JUST EXTRA DATA.
09:43:57AM THIS WAS A CHART TO PUT TOGETHER TO SAY WHAT IS THE BEST IN
09:44:01AM FLORIDA.
09:44:01AM NOT JUST PEER CITIES.
09:44:03AM THE BEST.
09:44:03AM OBVIOUSLY THESE ARE OUTLIERS AND INTEREST INTERESTING TO
09:44:08AM LOOK AT IT.
09:44:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I THINK GREAT PRESENTATION.
09:44:10AM THIS IS VERY INFORMATIVE.
09:44:12AM YOU HAVE DONE A LOT OF THE RESEARCH AND GIVEN A LOT OF THE
09:44:14AM DATA AND SHOWN WHERE WE NEED TO IMPROVE.
09:44:18AM I LIKE WHERE THE CITY OF TAMPA WEB SITE OVER THE T-9 UNDER
09:44:23AM THE ECONOMIC, THE FOUR POINTS THERE.
09:44:27AM SO I WILL STOP THERE.
09:44:28AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:44:29AM I SAW YOUR HAND UP.
09:44:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
09:44:30AM ACTUALLY IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE TOP FOUR.
09:44:34AM YEAH.
09:44:35AM SO IT IS REALLY FASCINATING BECAUSE -- EVERYTHING YOU ARE
09:44:38AM GOING THROUGH -- THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS.
09:44:40AM BECAUSE I, LIKE YOU, REALLY LOVE DATA AND THE EXACT DATA,
09:44:44AM THE MORE DATA, THE BETTER.
09:44:45AM AND I -- WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT MSA, WHICH I BELIEVE IS
09:44:51AM METROPOLITAN STATISTICAL AREA JUST FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW
09:44:56AM WHAT THAT IS.
09:44:56AM WE ARE INCLUDING PEOPLE -- WE ARE INCLUDING CITIES THAT
09:44:59AM AREN'T OURS.
09:45:00AM THAT IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO -- TO REALLY STOP AND THINK
09:45:05AM ABOUT WHERE WE NEED TO IMPROVE.
09:45:06AM AND SO WHAT I THINK IS REALLY INTERESTING ABOUT ONE, TWO,
09:45:11AM THREE AND FOUR IS IT DOESN'T -- IT DANCES AROUND THE ISSUE
09:45:17AM THAT WE HAVE 50% HOMEOWNERSHIP IN THIS CITY.
09:45:20AM IF WE REALLY WANT TO IMPROVE REDUCING POVERTY, PRO VOTING
09:45:27AM INCLUSIVE -- ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE TIED TO HOUSING.
09:45:30AM AND HOUSING IS NOT ON HERE.
09:45:32AM AND SO I JUST WANT TO CHALLENGE MY COLLEAGUES TO LOOK AT
09:45:37AM THIS IN TERMS OF HOUSING.
09:45:38AM AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THESE NUMBERS, BUT I REALLY LIKE YOUR
09:45:46AM NEXT SLIDE BEST.
09:45:48AM IT IS UP TO US.
09:45:49AM AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO -- TO DO THE WORK NOW.
09:45:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU JUST LIKE THAT SLIDE BECAUSE OF THE
09:45:59AM GOOD-LOOKING GUY NEXT TO YOU.
09:46:01AM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ME?
09:46:03AM NO, JUST KIDDING.
09:46:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TOUCHE'.
09:46:06AM [LAUGHTER]
09:46:09AM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU GO TO THAT REPORT, THE T-3 ECONOMIC
09:46:12AM REPORT.
09:46:12AM THE TOP FOUR ITEMS AND THERE IS A LOT OF DETAIL UNDERNEATH
09:46:16AM IT.
09:46:16AM THERE WERE SIX MEETINGS OF THIS GROUP.
09:46:18AM 24 PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
09:46:19AM TELLS ALL THE DETAILS IN THERE, AND USF LED IT.
09:46:23AM THE MAYOR WAS THE CHAIR OF IT.
09:46:29AM THAT IS THE DATA THEY GAVE.
09:46:32AM WE CAN TAKE THAT FEEDBACK OR DO OUR OWN THING.
09:46:36AM SHIVENDU IS HERE, AND WE CAN HAVE A SEPARATE CONVERSATION
09:46:39AM WITH HIM AT A DIFFERENT TIME.
09:46:41AM BUT HE WILL TELL US WHAT TO DO TO MOVE THESE NUMBERS.
09:46:44AM HOMEOWNERSHIP RATE SEEMS EASY TO UNDERSTAND.
09:46:47AM HOW TO MOVE THINGS LIKE PER CAPITA INCOME.
09:46:50AM ONE OF THE BEST TEAMS IN THE USF WHO DOES THIS AND FOLLOWING
09:46:54AM DO IT FOR US FOR FREE, IF WE WANT.
09:46:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK: AGAIN, I THINK IT IS A FABULOUS IDEA TO HAVE
09:47:01AM THEM COME AND AT THAT YOU CAN TO US.
09:47:02AM BUT WHAT I HAVE BEEN DOING ON MY RESEARCH ON HOUSING IS IT
09:47:06AM ACTUALLY DOES.
09:47:07AM WHEN YOU OWN A HOME, BY AND LARGE, YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR COSTS
09:47:12AM ARE GOING TO BE FOR A YEAR.
09:47:13AM THEY GO UP GENERALLY -- THIS YEAR IS AN ANOMALY BECAUSE OF
09:47:18AM INSURANCE -- BUT YOU CAN CALCULATE WHAT YOUR INCREASE IS
09:47:22AM GOING TO BE
09:47:22AM THEREFORE, YOU HAVE MORE MONEY TO PUT INTO THINGS LIKE
09:47:25AM EDUCATION, YOU CAN FOCUS ON GETTING A BETTER JOB.
09:47:29AM YOU ARE NOT FOCUSING ON JUST PAYING YOUR RENT.
09:47:32AM AND SO I -- I THINK THAT GETTING SOMEONE TO TALK TO US ABOUT
09:47:38AM -- ABOUT ALL OF THESE ISSUES IS WONDERFUL.
09:47:40AM I WOULD LOVE TO -- I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHERE TO GO NEXT.
09:47:44AM NOW THAT WE ARE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT BUDGET, WHERE
09:47:47AM IS THE BEST PLACE TO PUT OUR MONEY?
09:47:49AM I KNOW YOU HAD THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.
09:47:53AM AND I THINK IN THE FUTURE, WE SHOULD START THIS CONVERSATION
09:47:57AM A LOT EARLIER.
09:47:58AM BUT I AM REALLY LOOKING FORWARD -- MAYBE START THIS
09:48:02AM CONVERSATION TO HAVE SOMEONE COME -- I AT LEAST WANT TO
09:48:05AM START HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.
09:48:06AM I THINK AS WE HAVE FOUND, AS A BODY, WE HAVE DONE REALLY
09:48:11AM WELL WHEN WE KIND OF OPENED UP THESE IDEAS AND START TO TALK
09:48:14AM ABOUT THEM AMONGST OURSELVES SINCE WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO
09:48:18AM IT ANYWHERE BUT ON THIS DAIS.
09:48:20AM I WOULD LOVE -- IF NO ONE ELSE WANTS TO, TO SCHEDULE A TIME
09:48:24AM FOR THESE USF AND OTHER FOLKS TO COME AND REALLY DIG IN WITH
09:48:33AM US ON HOW TO MOVE THE NEEDLE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
09:48:37AM >>BILL CARLSON: LOOK AT THIS CHARLOTTE, THE BIGGEST BOON IN
09:48:41AM AMERICAN HISTORY, TAMPA'S HOMEOWNERSHIP WENT DOWN AND ONLY
09:48:46AM COME UP IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND ONLY SLIGHTLY
09:48:49AM BECAUSE FLAT MOST OF THE TIME.
09:48:50AM ONE OF THE EXCUSES THAT TAMPA HAD A LOT OF MILLENNIALS, AND
09:48:56AM ST. PETERSBURG IS A PLACE TO HAVE MILLENNIALS AND GENERATION
09:49:01AM Z MOVE IN AND THEIR HOMEOWNERSHIP HAS SKYROCKETED AND THEY
09:49:06AM ARE DOING WELL.
09:49:06AM WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO HELP PEOPLE MOVE INTO LONG-TERM
09:49:11AM INVESTMENTS.
09:49:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK: ONE THING IS THAT ST. PETE HAS THAT WE DON'T
09:49:15AM IS A LOT OF MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING.
09:49:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:49:20AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
09:49:21AM APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
09:49:22AM A TIME IN LIFE OF TEN YEARS, BUT EVEN IN THE LAST SLIDE,
09:49:26AM WITH THE OWNERSHIP, I DON'T SEE ANY RATE THAT WENT UP.
09:49:29AM WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BLACK LINE AT ST. PETE, IT WAS 64, NOW
09:49:32AM 62.7.
09:49:34AM I SEE THE YELLOW -- THE YELLOW LINE WHICH IS JACKSONVILLE
09:49:38AM WHICH IS 60 PLUS.
09:49:40AM WENT DOWN TO 56.
09:49:42AM I SEE TAMPA IN RED FROM 53, 54, MAYBE 55% DOWN TO 50.
09:49:47AM THE GREEN LINE WHICH IS ORLANDO WENT UP FROM 40-SOME PERCENT
09:49:52AM TOWN TO 38.
09:49:53AM PURPLE LINE MIAMI WENT DOWN FROM 35% DOWN TO 30%.
09:49:57AM WE ARE ALL IN THE SAME BUNCH.
09:49:58AM YOU CAN LOOK AT IT ANY WAY ANYBODY WANTS TO.
09:50:01AM I LOOK AT THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE, ST. PETE WAS AT 6, WENT
09:50:05AM DOWN TO 3.
09:50:06AM TAMPA WAS 7, WENT DOWN TO 3.5.
09:50:09AM YOU DO THE MAP, 50%.
09:50:10AM ANY WAY YOU LOOK AT IT.
09:50:12AM WENT DOWN 50% AND SO DID THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:50:14AM WHICH IS A POSITIVE AT THIS POINT.
09:50:16AM 6% WENT DOWN TO 3%.
09:50:18AM WE WERE AT 7% AND DO 3.5%.
09:50:22AM I TRIED TO CALCULATE THIS ALL IN MY MIND, I CAN'T REMEMBER
09:50:26AM ALL THE CHARTS.
09:50:27AM ANALYTICAL STUDY WHERE WE COME FROM THE OLD DAYS OF CIGAR,
09:50:32AM REYNOLDS CAN, ALUMINIUM CAN, THIS IS WHAT YOU FIND IN TAMPA.
09:50:36AM FROM THE '70s TO THE '60s FOR NOW.
09:50:40AM THE MOST PRO DRESS SIEVE.
09:50:42AM WHEN I WAS A KID, THE TALLEST BUILDING WAS THE FLORILAND
09:50:49AM HOTEL.
09:50:49AM NO AREA WEST OF US -- EAST OF US.
09:50:51AM NO, LA DRAGA WHICH MEANS THE AREA THAT NOBODY WANTED TO
09:50:56AM LIVE.
09:50:56AM THERE WAS NO HARBOUR ISLAND.
09:50:59AM NOTHING.
09:50:59AM IT WOULD BLOW OVER AND OLD PEOPLE AND GOOD PEOPLE AND THEY
09:51:05AM WERE ALL BE ALL WHITE.
09:51:07AM NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF CAR YOU HAD, IT WAS ALL WHITE FOR A
09:51:10AM LONG TIME.
09:51:11AM WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY.
09:51:12AM I AM NOT SAYING IT IS NEGATIVE.
09:51:14AM BUT I CAN READ THE FACTS, BUT THE PRINCIPAL NUMBERS THAT I
09:51:18AM SEE EVEN THERE, YOU LOOK AT ANY ONE GREEN, AND THEY ALL WENT
09:51:23AM DOWN.
09:51:23AM AND I MEAN LOOK AT ST. PETE AGAIN TO MAKE SURE I DIDN'T MAKE
09:51:26AM A MISTAKE BECAUSE I WAS JUST READING IT.
09:51:28AM 6 DOWN TO 3.
09:51:31AM TAMPA WAS AT 7, IF I RECALL.
09:51:33AM TAMPA IS WHAT NUMBER, RED, AND WENT DOWN TO 3.5%.
09:51:37AM NO DISPUTE.
09:51:39AM WE WENT DOWN TO EQUAL AMOUNTS 50%.
09:51:42AM I DO NOT -- TELL ME ONE INDIVIDUAL YOU SEE ANYWHERE IN THE
09:51:46AM CITY, ANYWHERE IN THE STATE AND NATION AND ASK YOU WHERE DO
09:51:49AM YOU LIVE.
09:51:49AM YOU NEVER SAY I LIVE IN TAMPA BAY.
09:51:51AM THEY WILL LAUGH AT YOU.
09:51:52AM THAT A BODY OF WATER.
09:51:54AM NO ONE SAYS THAT.
09:51:56AM I AM NOT QUESTIONING YOU.
09:51:57AM WHAT THE PEOPLE TELL ME.
09:51:59AM THEY DON'T LIVE IN TAMPA BAY.
09:52:01AM THEY LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:52:03AM TAMPA -- I WOULD LIKE TO SIT DOWN WITH THESE PROFESSORS TO
09:52:06AM GO BACK TO THE '70s.
09:52:08AM THERE WAS NO DOWNTOWN.
09:52:10AM THERE WAS 600 PEOPLE.
09:52:12AM SIX WERE LOOKING FOR A JOB AND 54 WERE IN JAIL.
09:52:17AM THAT IS HOW IT WAS WHEN I GOT ELECTED.
09:52:20AM NO BUILDINGS HERE.
09:52:20AM BILL POE IN 1976, '77 STARTED THE PROCESS HERE ACROSS THE
09:52:27AM STREET.
09:52:27AM AND IT BECAME THE FIRST.
09:52:30AM ALL THE MAYORS I HAD A CHANGES TO WORK WITH, DID SOMETHING
09:52:34AM TO MAKE IT WHERE WE ARE AT TODAY.
09:52:36AM I AM NOT QUESTIONING YOU.
09:52:38AM I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
09:52:39AM I REALLY DO.
09:52:40AM IT ENERGIZES ALL OF US.
09:52:42AM WHEN I SEE ALL OF THESE THINGS AND THINGS YOU HAVE TO LOOK
09:52:45AM AT THAT NOBODY TALKS ABOUT.
09:52:47AM ONLY TWO WATER DEPARTMENTS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT HAVE
09:52:51AM A AAA RATING.
09:52:52AM TAMPA IS ONE OF THEM.
09:52:54AM THERE IS ONLY 13 IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY OF THE UNITED STATES
09:52:58AM OF AMERICA.
09:52:58AM 13.
09:52:59AM AND TAMPA IS ONE OF THEM.
09:53:00AM SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE NOT ON THIS CHART.
09:53:03AM THINGS THAT CREATE OPPORTUNITIES TO COME LIVE HERE.
09:53:07AM THIS IS NOT TO TELL YOU, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE STATISTICS
09:53:10AM ABOUT EDGE OCCASION AND THE WAY LIVING AND THE POVERTY RATE.
09:53:14AM HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE IN THE HOUSING PROJECTS.
09:53:16AM HOW MANY LIVE TO WHERE THEY ARE AT TODAY, TAMPA BLOWS THEIR
09:53:20AM DOOR DOWN.
09:53:21AM AND ST. PETE IS ALWAYS BEEN A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
09:53:24AM FT. LAUDERDALE, MIAMI, USED TO BE WHAT EVERYBODY WANTED TO
09:53:27AM BE AT ONE TIME.
09:53:28AM NOT ANYMORE.
09:53:30AM THEY ARE GOING THERE, BUT WHAT HAPPENED TO MIAMI AND THEN
09:53:35AM FT. LAUDERDALE AREA IS THEY HAD AN ENORMOUS INFLUX OF PEOPLE
09:53:39AM FROM OTHER COUNTRIES THAT CAME IN AND REALLY MADE IT GROW.
09:53:44AM BECAUSE THEY BROUGHT MORE AND MORE GROWTH.
09:53:46AM MORE AND MORE FAMILY.
09:53:48AM TAMPA HAD THAT BACK IN THE '20s AND '30s AND THEY STILL HAVE
09:53:53AM THAT FOR SOME DEGREE.
09:53:53AM I AM NOT DISAPPOINTED.
09:53:55AM I KNEW WHEN THE FIGURES STARTED COMING OUT AND I WAS
09:53:58AM CALCULATING RIGHT QUICK THE MATH.
09:54:00AM YOU LOOK WHERE WE WERE AND COMPARE TO EVERYBODY ELSE, IF WE
09:54:03AM ARE BEHIND, WE ARE NOT THAT FAR BEHIND.
09:54:05AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:54:06AM I APPRECIATE IT.
09:54:08AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:54:09AM I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR OBVIOUS HARD WORK AND PASSION.
09:54:12AM TAKES A LOT OF HARD WORK AND PASSION.
09:54:14AM YOU KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK REALLY TROUBLES
09:54:19AM PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA IS THE NEW REALITY.
09:54:21AM 7.5% INFLATION IN THE TAMPA AREA.
09:54:24AM ETC.
09:54:25AM PEOPLE ARE GOING, IS THIS THE NEW REALITY FOR TAMPA?
09:54:28AM I THINK THE REAL ISSUE BEFORE US.
09:54:29AM A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY DON'T NEW YORK MY TAMPA, WHICH I ALWAYS
09:54:33AM THINK IS A MISGUIDED STATEMENT.
09:54:35AM DON'T MIAMI MY TAMPA.
09:54:36AM NOTHING WRONG WITH THE GOOD PEOPLE OF MIAMI.
09:54:39AM I HAD A LOT OF FAMILY MEMBERS LIVED THERE, BUT THE SMALLER
09:54:45AM CONCENTRATION, SMALLER MIDDLE CLASS AND THOSE TYPES OF ISSUE
09:54:49AM WE ARE SEEING MORE AND MORE HAPPENING IN TAMPA BECAUSE OF
09:54:51AM THE INFLATION AND RISING COST OF LIVING HERE.
09:54:54AM SOME ISSUES THAT THE CITY HAS DONE A GOOD JOB.
09:54:58AM TAKE A LOOK AT HOUSING.
09:54:59AM PUSHING 30% OF CRA FUNDS AND ALL CRAS INTO AFFORDABLE
09:55:05AM HOUSING A REVOLUTIONARY MOVE.
09:55:08AM AND THROUGH TRAINING, A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS BLEW
09:55:12AM APPRENTICESHIP AND WHATNOT.
09:55:14AM ONE OF THE ISSUES WE HAVEN'T MOVED THE NEEDLE WHERE WE
09:55:17AM SHOULD AND I THINK WE ALL AGREE WITH THIS AND DISAPPOINTED
09:55:20AM AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN IS TRANSPORTATION AND THE LOSS OF
09:55:24AM THAT PENNY SALES TAX AND WHAT WE WILL TO DO MOVE THIS AHEAD
09:55:27AM AS A COMMUNITY HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA WITH CONNECTIVITY
09:55:30AM AND HELPING WITH UPWARD MOBILITY AND DIFFERENT ISSUES LIKE
09:55:33AM THAT.
09:55:33AM AGAIN I THINK THE REAL BIG THING THAT TAMPA FOLKS ARE ASKING
09:55:36AM US IS, IS THIS THE NEW REALITY FOR US.
09:55:39AM HIGH HOUSING COSTS, INFLATION, ETC., HERE IN THE CITY OF
09:55:43AM TAMPA.
09:55:43AM BECAUSE WHAT IT SERVES TO DO IS TO MAKE THE MIDDLE CLASS
09:55:46AM MORE AND MORE SQUEEZED.
09:55:48AM MAKE IT HARDER TO GET INTO THE MIDDLE CLASS.
09:55:50AM MAKE LIVING IN THE WORKING-CLASS IN THE BLUE COLLAR AREA
09:55:55AM MUCH TOUGHER AND MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES EVEN MORE
09:55:58AM MARGINALIZED AND HAVE A REBUTTAL TO THAT.
09:56:02AM THANK YOU FOR THAT STATISTICS.
09:56:04AM TOOK A LOT OF WORK TO PUT THAT IN.
09:56:06AM LIKE A TRIAL EXHIBIT IN A JURY TRIAL.
09:56:09AM TOOK A LOT OF HARD WORK AND PASSION.
09:56:11AM THANK YOU, SIR.
09:56:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE.
09:56:13AM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON AND COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
09:56:16AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WILL LET GYM GO FIRST.
09:56:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:56:22AM IT WAS A REALLY GOOD PRESENTATION.
09:56:23AM COUPLE OF THINGS.
09:56:25AM ONE, STATISTICS, STATISTICS, STATISTICS.
09:56:28AM YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT IS DIFFICULT -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE
09:56:31AM CHALLENGE AND THE ANSWER IS, BUT I KNOW IT IS VERY DIFFICULT
09:56:34AM TO COMPARE US TO MIAMI-DADE BECAUSE IT THE COUNTYWIDE.
09:56:37AM AND IT IS A VERY, VERY, VERY DIFFERENT ISSUE COMPARING
09:56:43AM COUNTYWIDE AND SOMETHING AS COMPLEX AS MIAMI-DADE TO THE
09:56:47AM GEOGRAPHICAL CONTEXT OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, JACKSONVILLE IS
09:56:52AM THE SAME WAY.
09:56:53AM COUNTYWIDE.
09:56:54AM YOU BREAK IT DOWN INTO CORE PART OF THE CITY AND COMPARE IT
09:56:58AM MAYBE, BUT THIS IS VERY DIFFICULT TO DO THAT.
09:57:00AM SOME INTERESTING THINGS THAT I -- THAT I HEARD.
09:57:04AM AND IN AGREEMENT REQUEST COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK ABOUT THE
09:57:07AM HOUSING THING.
09:57:08AM BUT I THINK -- BUT I THINK OUR SOLUTIONS ARE DIFFERENT, I
09:57:13AM ASSUME.
09:57:14AM BECAUSE I THINK THE HOMEOWNERSHIP IS A CRITICAL ELEMENT OF
09:57:19AM THIS.
09:57:19AM WHAT I HAVE SEEN IN THE POLICIES IN THIS COUNCIL AND PAST
09:57:23AM COUNCILS AND ADMINISTRATIONS IS WE HAVE LOST SIGHT ON WHAT
09:57:26AM IT MEANS -- WHAT HOMEOWNERSHIP REALLY MEANS TO PEOPLE.
09:57:30AM AND I THINK -- I THINK COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK CAPTURE IT
09:57:34AM PERFECTLY AS FAR AS THE PREDICTABILITY.
09:57:36AM OF COURSE, ADDING IN GENERATIONAL WEALTH.
09:57:39AM I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS WE HAVE BEEN DOING IS COUNTER
09:57:41AM PRODUCTIVE AND COUNTERINTUITIVE TO THAT.
09:57:45AM AND I REALLY LIKE STATEMENT.
09:57:47AM I AM GOING TO PLAGIARIZE THE HELL OUT OF.
09:57:51AM OUTCOME VERSUS OUTPUT.
09:57:54AM THE IMPORTANT THING IN EVERY DECISION THAT WE MAKE AND PLAYS
09:57:57AM ON WHAT COUNCILMAN VIERA SAID, BUT IN A CONTRARY WAY.
09:58:02AM THAT 30%.
09:58:03AM WHAT IS THE OUTCOME VERSUS OUTPUT?
09:58:05AM WHAT IS THE OUTPUT OF GETTING THAT VERSUS IF WE WERE TO USE
09:58:09AM THAT MONEY FOR TRANSPORTATION, HOW MANY LIVES WOULD WE BE
09:58:12AM ABLE TO IMPACT.
09:58:12AM IF WE WERE ABLE TO SUNSET DOWNTOWN AND TAKE THAT MONEY AND
09:58:16AM BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING SOMEWHERE ELSE, HOW MANY -- WHAT IS
09:58:19AM THE OUTPUT.
09:58:20AM HOW MANY MORE LIVES CAN WE INPUT.
09:58:22AM HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WE ACTUALLY TAKING CARE OF OPPOSED TO
09:58:25AM SHIFTING MONEY ON A BALANCE SHEET.
09:58:27AM AND THEN PATTING OURSELVES ON THE BACK.
09:58:30AM I REALLY -- SO A LOT OF THESE POLICIES WHEN TALKING OF
09:58:35AM HOMEOWNERSHIP IN THE CITY IN THIS BUDGET AND DISCUSSIONS, I
09:58:38AM AM GOING TO KEEP HITTING ON THIS.
09:58:40AM I THINK THE CITY OF TAMPA NEEDS TO GO BACK WHAT WAS THE
09:58:43AM MAYOR'S CHALLENGE FUND WHICH WAS ENCOURAGING --
09:58:46AM IT KEPT PEOPLE IN HOUSES.
09:58:48AM SENIOR CITIZENS GOING TO HELP TO REPAIR HOUSES SO THEY DON'T
09:58:52AM LOSE THEIR HOMES.
09:58:53AM FOLKS IN JEOPARDY OF LOSING THEIR HOMES GIVING THEM A LITTLE
09:58:56AM BIT OF HAND-UP.
09:58:57AM NOT A HANDOUT, BUT A HAND UP.
09:58:59AM OF COURSE PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO BE
09:59:03AM FIRST-TIME HOMEBUYERS.
09:59:04AM BACK THEN, FIRST RESPONDERS AND SCHOOLTEACHERS.
09:59:07AM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON KNOWS IS AN IMPORTANT PROGRAM FOR
09:59:10AM PEOPLE.
09:59:10AM AND I THINK WE SHOULD REALLY -- INSTEAD OF DOING SOME OF THE
09:59:14AM DIRECTION ALL OF A SUDDEN WE SHIFTED IN ONE WAY, I THINK WE
09:59:17AM SHOULD GO BACK AND EVERYTHING IS OLD IS NEW AGAIN AND RELOOK
09:59:20AM AT THAT AND REALLY EVALUATE THAT BASED ON THESE POLICIES
09:59:23AM THAT WE ARE PUSHING TODAY.
09:59:24AM YOU KNOW, ONE REAL POSITIVE THING WAS THE EDUCATION
09:59:31AM INFORMATION THAT YOU PROVIDED.
09:59:33AM AND I THINK THAT IS A REALLY GOOD FUTURE INDICATOR FOR THE
09:59:39AM CITY OF TAMPA.
09:59:40AM WE KNOW YOUNG PEOPLE, HIGHLY EDUCATED PEOPLE ARE MOVING TO
09:59:43AM THE CITY OF TAMPA AND WE HAVE INCOME GROWTH IN FRONT OF
09:59:46AM THEM, NOT BEHIND THEM, I THINK THAT WILL BE A GOOD FUTURE
09:59:49AM INDICATOR FOR US.
09:59:50AM OUR WEAKEST LINKS OF LINKS IN TAMPA BASED ON MY ASSESSMENT
09:59:55AM OF WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
09:59:56AM ONE THAT IS ALMOST OUT OF CONTROL WHICH IS OUR PUBLIC
09:59:58AM EDUCATION SYSTEM.
09:59:59AM PEOPLE HAVE TO REALIZE, THE RACIAL INEQUITY, THE INCOME
10:00:03AM DISPARITY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, YOU KNOW.
10:00:05AM YOU ARE NOT FIXING THAT IN CHECKS.
10:00:08AM YOU ARE FIXING THAT THAT IN PRESCHOOL AND KINDERGARTEN AND
10:00:12AM WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING MUCH THE INEQUITY IN OUR PUBLIC
10:00:15AM SCHOOLS.
10:00:16AM AGAIN, NOT SOMETHING FOR THE PERSON TO THE LEFT AND RIGHT OF
10:00:19AM ME REALLY HAVE A LOT OF SAY IN, BUT WE HAVE FRIENDS AND
10:00:23AM EVERYBODY THAT IS LISTENING TO THIS IS A VOTER AND CAN -- TO
10:00:26AM TALK TO THE PEOPLE THAT REPRESENT THEIR CITY BOTH AT THE
10:00:29AM COUNTY LEVEL AND MOST SPECIFICALLY AT THE STATE LEVEL TO FIX
10:00:34AM OUR DAMN PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM AND WILL GO A LONG WAY TO
10:00:38AM FIXING THE INEQUITIES AND INCOME DISPARITIES.
10:00:41AM TRANSPORTATION, THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:00:45AM I AM A TRANSPORTATION GUY.
10:00:46AM BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO MOVE TO THE CITY IF WE DON'T
10:00:49AM FIX OUR TRANSPORTATION PROBLEMS.
10:00:50AM THAT IS GETTING PEOPLE FROM POINT A TO POINT B, FIXING OUR
10:00:54AM ROADS, SIDEWALKS.
10:00:55AM MAKING THIS A DECENT PLACE TO LIVE.
10:00:57AM CONTINUING.
10:00:58AM WE CAN'T LET IT TO CONTINUE TO DECLINE OR ERODE.
10:01:01AM WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING.
10:01:02AM BECAUSE YOU LET THE CITY CRUMBLE AROUND US.
10:01:04AM NONE OF THESE NUMBERS WILL MATTER IN 10 OR 15 YEARS I
10:01:09AM PEOPLE COME HERE AND LOOK LIKE WE ARE A THIRD-WORLD COUNTRY.
10:01:11AM THANK YOU.
10:01:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
10:01:14AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: GOOD MORNING.
10:01:15AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:01:17AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR SCORECARD PRESENTATION.
10:01:19AM I CAN HEAR YOUR PASSION ABOUT THIS VERY TOPIC.
10:01:22AM DATA IS VERY IMPORTANT.
10:01:23AM WE LOOK AT DATA IN EDUCATION TO DRIVE PROGRESS IN STUDENTS.
10:01:27AM WE HAVE TO DO THAT FOR OUR CITIES AS WELL.
10:01:30AM I WANT TO SAY THAT IT IS VERY TIMELY WE ARE HAVING THIS
10:01:33AM CONVERSATION OF THE SCORECARD AS IT RELATES TO THE FACT THAT
10:01:35AM WE ARE ACTUALLY IN BUDGET SEASON.
10:01:37AM IF YOU GO BACK TO YOUR SECOND TO LAST SLIDE RIGHT BEFORE OUR
10:01:41AM PICTURE, THAT WILL GIVE ME A BETTER VISUAL OF THE FOUR
10:01:45AM THINGS THAT -- RIGHT THERE, YES, PROMOTING INCLUSIVE
10:01:48AM ECONOMIC GROWTH.
10:01:49AM REDUCING POVERTY.
10:01:51AM COMMITTING TO RACIAL EQUITY.
10:01:53AM AND, OF COURSE, EMPHASIZING EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES.
10:01:56AM THAT RIGHT THERE REALLY FALLS IN LINE WITH -- IF YOU LOOK AT
10:02:00AM AND CONSIDER THE BUDGET PRESENTATION THAT WAS PRESENTED TO
10:02:02AM US BY STAFF.
10:02:03AM THERE IS SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR US WITH THE MILLAGE TO
10:02:08AM ACTUALLY PUT A DENT IN THESE VERY THINGS RIGHT HERE.
10:02:11AM I KNOW MENTESNOT, TONY DANIELS SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE, HE
10:02:18AM TALKS OF REPARATIONS EVERY TIME EVERY TIME HE COMES TO
10:02:21AM COUNCIL.
10:02:21AM MAYBE THAT IS NOT THE EXACT WORD I WOULD USE, BUT
10:02:26AM OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN THE BUDGET FOR USES TO PROVIDE BETTER
10:02:30AM HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL AS IMPROVING OUR PARKS.
10:02:33AM AND ALL OF THESE KIND OF THINGS THAT ARE PRESENTED IN THE
10:02:35AM CURRENT BUDGET PRESENTED BY STAFF IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US
10:02:41AM TO PUT A DENT IN SOME OF THESE THINGS.
10:02:45AM PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING.
10:02:47AM THE CHALLENGE FUND THAT COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN JUST MENTIONED
10:02:50AM IS SOMETHING THAT I WAS A PART OF.
10:02:51AM CHALLENGE FUND.
10:02:53AM I TALKED ABOUT IT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.
10:02:55AM IT WAS A WONDERFUL PROGRAM FOR ME AS A FIRST-TIME HOME BUYER
10:02:59AM AND SINGLE PARENT.
10:03:00AM BUILT EQUITY BEING ABLE TO CHOOSE A HOUSE IN TAMPA HEIGHTS
10:03:03AM THAT I COULD NOT AFFORD TODAY IF I WANTED TO BUY A HOUSE IN
10:03:06AM TAMPA HEIGHTS.
10:03:07AM SO WE DO HAVE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THESE OPPORTUNITIES.
10:03:09AM AND THE BUDGET, WHAT WAS PRESENT BY NICOLE TRAVIS AND THE --
10:03:13AM THE IMPACT THAT IT CAN HAVE ON CRA IS VERY IMPORTANT.
10:03:17AM AND I THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER THAT.
10:03:19AM I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD RECONSIDER IT SINCE YOU DON'T
10:03:21AM SUPPORT THE BUDGET.
10:03:22AM I MEAN, THE CURRENT BUDGET THAT IS PRESENTED BY STAFF WITH
10:03:25AM THE MILLAGE INCREASE.
10:03:26AM BUT ONE OF THE THINGS, TOO, IS THAT THE -- THAT -- THAT IT
10:03:31AM WASN'T CLEARLY STATED BUT THE EQUAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY
10:03:37AM DIVISION OF OUR CITY.
10:03:39AM THERE IS A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY THERE TO PROMOTE INCLUSIVE
10:03:42AM ECONOMIC GROWTH.
10:03:43AM WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE THAT DEPARTMENT IN A WAY
10:03:47AM WHERE WE ARE ANALYZING EVERY SINGLE CONTRACT THAT COMES INTO
10:03:51AM THIS CITY.
10:03:51AM THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING ABOUT INCLUSIVE, ECONOMIC
10:03:56AM GROWTH.
10:03:56AM >> AMEN.
10:03:58AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: AND SO -- THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO
10:04:03AM REGARDING THE BACHELOR'S DEGREES.
10:04:06AM WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY IN THIS CITY TO -- YES, BECAUSE WE
10:04:10AM HAVE AN IMPROVEMENT IN STUDENTS EARNING BACHELOR'S DEGREES,
10:04:16AM WE ALSO WANT THEM TO COME BACK HOME.
10:04:17AM SO WE NEED TO CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEM TO WANT TO BE
10:04:21AM HERE.
10:04:21AM I WENT TO ATLANTA -- I WAS READY TO GO TO ATLANTA BECAUSE I
10:04:24AM THOUGHT THERE WERE BETTER OPPORTUNITIES FOR ME THERE AS A
10:04:27AM AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMAN BEFORE COMING BACK TO TAMPA WHEN
10:04:30AM TAMPA WAS WAYS $18,900.
10:04:32AM $9 AN HOUR FOR TEACHERS IN 1986 WHEN I GRADUATED FOR COLLEGE
10:04:38AM WHERE VERSUS IN ATLANTA, THEY WERE MAKING $28,000 VERSUS
10:04:41AM ALMOST $19,000.
10:04:43AM THERE WAS THIS HUGE DISPARITY IN SALARIES.
10:04:46AM JUST SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS.
10:04:48AM I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT LAST SLIDES AS IT RELATES TO THE
10:04:53AM AREAS WE CAN IMPROVE.
10:04:54AM YOU PUT UP OUR PICTURE TO SAYS IT UP TO US.
10:04:58AM SO THAT IS A DRIVING FORCE FOR ME.
10:05:00AM IT IS EVEN MORE MOTIVATION TO LOOK AT THESE FOUR ITEMS
10:05:03AM BASED ON THE SCORECARD YOU PRESENTED TO US TO MAKE AN IMPACT
10:05:07AM RIGHT HERE ON THE DAIS.
10:05:08AM THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
10:05:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:05:11AM THANK YOU, SIR.
10:05:12AM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I GET -- DR. SHIVENDU, DO YOU HAVE ANY
10:05:16AM -- SINCE WE DIDN'T ASK YOU TO SPEAK.
10:05:17AM GIVE US 30 SECONDS OF ANY FINAL THOUGHT YOU HAVE?
10:05:22AM >>SHIVENDU SHIVENDU: THANK YOU.
10:05:23AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:05:25AM I THINK IT WAS A VERY GOOD PRESENTATION.
10:05:30AM A LOT OF NEW POINTS CAME UP.
10:05:32AM AND IN MANY WAYS, THE WORK WE DO FOR THE STATE OF THE REGION
10:05:36AM KIND OF GOES IN LINE WITH THE NUMBERS YOU PRESENTED.
10:05:40AM OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THE THINGS, LOOK AT THE LEVEL AND NOT THE
10:05:46AM CITY LEVEL.
10:05:47AM I THINK YOUR SCORECARD IS ONE OF THE REALLY FEW SCORECARD
10:05:50AM WHICH IS AT THE CITY LEVEL.
10:05:52AM SO I MUCH COMPLIMENT YOU ON ALL THE WORK YOU HAVE PUT IN.
10:05:55AM YOUR RESEARCH TEAM.
10:05:57AM IT IS GREAT WORK.
10:05:58AM THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD MERE IS, THAT USF
10:06:05AM AND OUR TEAM, WHAT WE DO, AS YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IN SOME OF
10:06:08AM THE PRESENTATIONS THAT WE HAVE MADE, IS ALSO TO NOT ONLY
10:06:12AM TALK ABOUT THE FACTS, BUT WE ALSO GO BEHIND THOSE FACTS AND
10:06:18AM TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT LEADS TO THOSE FACTS.
10:06:20AM WHAT ARE THE DRIVERS OF IT.
10:06:25AM WHAT IS THE DRIVERS OF HOMEOWNERSHIP RATE.
10:06:30AM WHAT ARE THE DRIVERS OF MEDIAN INCOME DISPARITY WITHIN
10:06:34AM DIFFERENT RACIAL GROUPS WITHIN THE POPULATION.
10:06:37AM AND THEN FROM THERE, WE TRY TO PICK OUT THOSE ACTION AREAS.
10:06:43AM WHERE THE POLICYMAKERS CAN DO -- TO TAKE SOME ACTION TO
10:06:47AM CHANGE THE FACTS.
10:06:48AM SO WE GO BEHIND THOSE THINGS TO DRIVE THE CAUSAL
10:06:53AM RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN WHAT WE OBSERVE IN FACTS AND WHAT IS
10:06:58AM BEHIND THEM.
10:06:58AM WHAT ARE THE IMPORTS THAT NEED TO BE PUT IN ORDER TO PREDICT
10:07:09AM IT.
10:07:09AM AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE TAKE PRIDE AND WE HAVE BEEN DOING
10:07:14AM IT BOTH IN OUR PRESENTATIONS THAT WE MAKE AND ALSO AS A
10:07:19AM FOCUS OF THE COLLEGE OF BUSINESS.
10:07:20AM PREDICTING IS ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT WE TAKE PRIDE THAT
10:07:25AM WE ARE LEADERS IN THE COUNTRY IN TERMS OF METHODS AND
10:07:30AM CAPABILITIES WITHIN THE COLLEGE IN WHICH WE DEPART OUR INS.
10:07:35AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND VERY HAPPY FOR ME AND MY TEAM.
10:07:39AM AND THE COLLEGE OF BUSINESS AND USF TO HELP OUR CITY IN ANY
10:07:46AM WAY.
10:07:48AM IF IT CAN KIND OF INCREASE THE COMPETITIVENESS OF OUR CITY
10:07:56AM WITH OTHER CITIES IN TERMS OF LOWER POVERTY RATES.
10:08:00AM LOWER DISPARITIES.
10:08:03AM ETC.
10:08:03AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND PLEASE INCLUDE US IN ANY AREA WE CAN
10:08:10AM BE OF HELP.
10:08:11AM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:08:12AM IF ANY OF YOU WANT HIS CONTACT INFORMATION, GET IT FROM ME
10:08:16AM OR MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE.
10:08:18AM ONE LAST THING.
10:08:19AM IMAGINE YOU HAVE A KID ON THEIR REPORT CARD TWO As, A "B," AND
10:08:25AM TWO Cs.
10:08:26AM THEY ARE DOING GREAT, BUT YOU WANT THEM TO GET ALL As.
10:08:30AM THERE ARE SOME As HERE.
10:08:33AM SOME Bs AND Cs.
10:08:37AM WE WANT TO BE A STRAIGHT "A" CITY.
10:08:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
10:08:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANTED TO BRING UP ONE MORE THING LISTENING
10:08:46AM TO HIM SPEAK AND LISTENING TO THE FELLOW COUNCILMEMBERS.
10:08:50AM I THINK IT IS INTERESTING THAT WE ARE NUMBER ONE IN DEGREES
10:08:57AM BUT -- YEAH, WE ARE LOW IN PAY AND LOW IN HOMEOWNERSHIP.
10:09:00AM SO WHAT THAT TELLS ME IS THAT PEOPLE WITH DEGREES AREN'T
10:09:05AM MAXIMIZING THEIR POTENTIAL HERE.
10:09:07AM AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SEE IN -- YOU I WILL BE HONEST
10:09:14AM -- THE WORK I DO OVERSEAS IN VERY IMPOVERISHED COUNTRIES.
10:09:19AM PEOPLE HAVE WONDERFUL DEGREES BUT NO JOBS IN WHICH TO USE
10:09:24AM THOSE DEGREES.
10:09:25AM SO I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT THE CORRELATION IS
10:09:29AM BETWEEN DEGREES AND WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE ARE WORKING IN
10:09:32AM THEIR FIELDS.
10:09:34AM AND IF SO, ARE WE GETTING PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING DEGREES AND
10:09:39AM THINGS WHERE THE SALARIES ARE REALLY LOW.
10:09:40AM I WOULD LOVE USF TO COME TALK TO US ABOUT THOSE DISPARITIES.
10:09:46AM IF WE HAVE SO MUCH.
10:09:47AM IF WE HAVE SUCH A HIGH EDUCATION, WHY DON'T WE HAVE THE
10:09:50AM SALARIES THAT MATCH?
10:09:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND COUNCILMAN
10:09:57AM CLENDENIN.
10:09:58AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOT THE SMARTEST GUY IN THE WORLD, I WILL
10:10:01AM ADMIT TO THAT.
10:10:02AM BUT I THINK THERE ARE TWO REASONS.
10:10:03AM FIRST OF ALL, THE KIDS THAT ARE BORN AND RAISED IN TAMPA
10:10:07AM COMING HOME AND STAYING IN TAMPA.
10:10:08AM WHEREVER YOU WENT TO COLLEGE, YOU WANT TO COME BACK BECAUSE
10:10:10AM TAMPA IS A GROWING CITY.
10:10:11AM WHAT THE KIDS NEED.
10:10:12AM THEY WANT TO HAVE THEIR LIFESTYLE AND THE MANNER IN WHICH
10:10:18AM THEY CHOOSE.
10:10:18AM THAT IS NUMBER ONE.
10:10:20AM NUMBER TWO, THE KIDS FROM OTHER PLACES, UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA
10:10:24AM ATTENDANCE IS LARGER THAN WAKE FOREST AND PRINCETON.
10:10:27AM LOOK AT IT WHERE IT IS AT.
10:10:30AM MOST OF THOSE KIDS NOW WANT TO STAY HERE BECAUSE THEY LOVE
10:10:32AM THE AMBIENCE.
10:10:34AM THEY LIKE THE CITY.
10:10:35AM THEY LIKE THE ENVIRONMENT.
10:10:36AM THEY LIKE EVERYTHING.
10:10:38AM THAT IS THE ANSWER.
10:10:39AM SO UNTIL TIME CATCHES UP -- AT FIRST WE DIDN'T HAVE
10:10:44AM GRADUATES TO SPEAK OF.
10:10:45AM NOW WE HAVE A LOT OF GRADUATES AND TECH COMPANY IN TAMPA,
10:10:48AM NEVER.
10:10:48AM NOW THERE IS COMPETITION OF COMPANIES COMING TO TAMPA AS I
10:10:52AM READ ANYWAY.
10:10:53AM SO I CAN IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS THAT WILL LEVEL UP.
10:10:56AM THAT IS JUST MY OPINION.
10:10:57AM IT CERTAINLY CAN BE CHALLENGED AT ANY TIME.
10:11:00AM I FEEL THAT THE KIDS ARE STAYING BECAUSE THEY ARE REALIZING
10:11:03AM THAT THE FUTURE IS HERE.
10:11:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
10:11:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU KNOW, IT JUST DAWNED IN ME ON THIS
10:11:10AM DISCUSSION AND I GOT CAUGHT IN THE SAME TRAP THAT OTHER
10:11:14AM PEOPLE GET CAUGHT IN.
10:11:16AM WHAT IS MISSING OUR TRADES.
10:11:17AM COMPARISON OF HOW WE ARE DOING IN SKILLED LABOR.
10:11:20AM BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SOME -- WE ARE A MAJOR PORT CITY.
10:11:24AM AND IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE ONE -- KNOW IT IS
10:11:28AM IMPORTANT FOR YOU AS WELL, SO WE DON'T LOSE ANOTHER
10:11:31AM HIGH-PAYING SKILLED OCCUPATIONS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY IN
10:11:35AM COORDINATION WITH HIGHER EDUCATION.
10:11:36AM SOMETHING TO EXPAND AND LOOK AT HOW TO RETAIN OUR INDUSTRY
10:11:41AM AND OUR MANUFACTURING AND OUR HARD SKILLED LABOR FORCES IN
10:11:46AM THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:11:46AM I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT ECONOMIC DRIVER AND ELEMENT AND
10:11:51AM I HOPE WE KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WE ARE LOOKING AT -- WHEN WE
10:11:54AM ARE MEASURING THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:11:56AM AGAIN, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I EMPHASIZE GOOD JOB ON THIS.
10:12:01AM VERY INFORMATIVE AND VERY INTERESTING AND A VERY WELL-DONE
10:12:04AM PRESENTATION.
10:12:04AM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST LIKE WITH COMPANIES, IF A GOAL IS
10:12:08AM PROFIT, YOU LOOK AT WITHIN THE COMPANY TO FIGURE OUT HOW --
10:12:12AM WHAT ARE THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE A PROFIT.
10:12:14AM BUT YOU MEASURE THE OUTCOME IN PROFIT.
10:12:16AM AND THE SAME THING HERE.
10:12:19AM WE HAVE THE OUTCOME MEASURES.
10:12:20AM WE WANT TO REDUCE POVERTY, DECREASE HOMEOWNERSHIP RATE,
10:12:26AM INCREASE PER CAPITAL HOUSING INCOME.
10:12:28AM BENEATH THAT WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS LIKE TRANSPORTATION AND
10:12:33AM THE DIFFERENT -- DIFFERENT STYLES OF WORK.
10:12:36AM DIFFERENT OCCUPATIONS WHAT DR. SHIVENDU'S DEPARTMENT CAN DO.
10:12:40AM THEY CAN TELL US HERE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE SEE WITH REAL
10:12:44AM DATA THAT WILL HAVE THE INPUTS TO THESE NUMBERS AND THE REAL
10:12:49AM THINGS WICK TO DO MOVE THE NEEDLE FASTER ON THESE NUMBERS.
10:12:51AM WHAT ARE THE THINGS WE CAN DO SHORT-TERM AND LONG-TERM TO
10:12:55AM FIGURE OUT HOW TO MOVE THE NEEDLE AND ALWAYS FOCUSED ON PER
10:12:58AM CAPITA INCOME AND HOUSEHOLD INCOME AND THE DISPARITIES AND
10:13:02AM ANYBODY LOOKING AT, WHETHER WE ARE REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT,
10:13:07AM ALL KIND OF SOLUTIONS THAT CROSS THE SPECTRUM FROM SUBSIDIES
10:13:11AM FOR HOUSING OR WHATEVER, TO INCREASING INCENTIVES FOR THE
10:13:15AM PRIVATE SECTOR AND INCREASING ENTREPRENEURSHIP.
10:13:18AM ALL KIND OF SOLUTIONS.
10:13:20AM I LOOK FORWARD TO US TALKING TO THE PUBLIC AND OURSELVES
10:13:23AM WHAT THE SOLUTIONS CAN BE GOING FORWARD.
10:13:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:13:26AM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
10:13:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:13:30AM ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK.
10:13:31AM IF WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK, NOW IS THE OPPORTUNITY.
10:13:33AM YOU WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AFTER THAT WORKSHOP
10:13:37AM AFTER A SPECIFIC ITEM.
10:13:38AM GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU ARE WELCOME TO COME SPEAK.
10:13:40AM YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
10:13:41AM YES, SIR, MR. ROBINSON.
10:13:43AM >> CLARIFICATION BEFORE YOU START THE CLOCK.
10:13:45AM SO THE OTHER ITEMS LIKE THE WATER.
10:13:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU CAN SPEAK AFTER THAT.
10:13:50AM >> EACH ONE OF THOSE, YOU WILL LET US SPEAK?
10:13:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
10:13:55AM >> MAN, YOU ARE GENEROUS TODAY.
10:13:56AM I HATE TO DO THIS BUT THIS FOLLOWS -- I WANT TO PASS THIS
10:14:00AM OUT TO YOU -- START THE CLOCK.
10:14:03AM LET ME GET SITUATED HERE TO LET EVERYBODY GET THEIR PAPER.
10:14:20AM BOY, YOU ALL ARE GOING GENEROUS TODAY.
10:14:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
10:14:40AM >> FOLLOWING UP ON MR. CARLSON'S PRESENTATION.
10:14:44AM HERE ARE FACTS.
10:14:45AM HERE IS REASONS WHY ALL THAT PRESENTATION IS THE FRONT END.
10:14:49AM AND HERE IS THE REALITY.
10:14:51AM HERE IS THE -- GO TO PAGE 41 OF THAT DOCUMENT.
10:14:54AM THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR TAMPA HEIGHTS
10:14:57AM RIVERFRONT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
10:14:59AM MRS. HURTAK AND MRS. HENDERSON, OKAY.
10:15:05AM YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:15:06AM AND THIS IS THE PROBLEM.
10:15:08AM WE HAVE PLENTY OF LAWS ON THE BOOKS.
10:15:10AM PLENTY ORDINANCES ON THE BOOK ABOUT ANY NORTH -- JOE
10:15:14AM ROBINSON, PRESIDENT, CEO OF CONSULTANT ENGINEERS FOR THE
10:15:20AM PAST 32 YEARS AND I HAVE DEALT WITH EVERY DISPARITY
10:15:25AM STUDY, EVO AND POLICY WITH THE ISSUE.
10:15:27AM YOU NEED MORE STAFF AT EVO.
10:15:30AM WHY?
10:15:31AM BECAUSE THEY NEEDS TO DOCUMENT, TRACKING, AUDITING,
10:15:36AM REPORTING, DISPUTE RESOLUTION IS NECESSARY.
10:15:38AM AND MAY EVEN NEED A DISPARITY UPDATE.
10:15:41AM GREGORY HART DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO DO THIS
10:15:46AM PROCUREMENT CONTRACT.
10:15:47AM LET ME READ WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OF ADAM HARDEN
10:15:52AM PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
10:15:54AM WHATEVER HE CALLED IT IN THE BACK.
10:15:56AM THE DEVELOPER AT HOWARD AVENUE, OKAY.
10:15:59AM THE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, NUMBER 6.
10:16:03AM AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, MATERIALS, SUPPLIES AND EQUIPMENT
10:16:06AM NECESSARY FOR THE DESIGN AND INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AT
10:16:08AM THE TAMPA HEIGHTS PROJECT.
10:16:10AM DEVELOPER SHALL -- SHALL MAKE GOOD-FAITH EFFORT TO COMPLY
10:16:16AM WITH THE CITY ORDINANCE OF WOMEN, EQUITY AND PROVIDE TO THE
10:16:21AM CITY.
10:16:21AM SEMI ANNUAL REPORTS WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN DONE.
10:16:25AM WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN DOWN.
10:16:28AM I AM LOUD.
10:16:29AM LOUD WHEN I AM PASSIONATE OF BLACK FOLKS AND ANY NORTH
10:16:34AM GETTING JACKED AROUND.
10:16:35AM SO GET READY.
10:16:36AM DON'T STOP MY CLOCK.
10:16:37AM THEY ARE NOT DOING A SEMI-ANNUAL REPORT.
10:16:40AM SINCE 2013.
10:16:41AM WHERE THE FIRST REPORT THAT ADAM HARDEN'S CORPORATION HAS
10:16:44AM DONE FOR TAMPA HEIGHTS.
10:16:46AM ARMATURE WORKS HAVE BEEN BUILT.
10:16:48AM BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN WORK.
10:16:50AM WHERE IS IT AT?
10:16:52AM YOU GUYS ARE NOT ENFORCING THE RULES IN THE BOOK.
10:16:54AM DO I NEED TO BRING THE FEDS IN HERE?
10:16:56AM DO I NEED TO BRING THE STATE ATTORNEY IN HERE?
10:16:59AM DON'T BE SHUSHING ME.
10:17:04AM >> NOT SHUSHING.
10:17:07AM >> SORRY LET ME MOVE ON.
10:17:09AM AUDIT AND INSPECTION.
10:17:10AM THE DEVELOPER WILL DEAL WITH THE VERTICAL.
10:17:13AM VERTICAL IS BUILDINGS.
10:17:15AM HORIZONTAL IS PAY.
10:17:16AM I REST MY CASE THAT THE CITY IS DERELICT IN THE DUTIES OF AN
10:17:21AM AGREEMENT IN 2013 AND 2014.
10:17:23AM IF YOU DO THIS ON EVERY CONTRACT THAT HAS A REQUIREMENT FOR
10:17:25AM MINORITY BUSINESSES, NOT JUST DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, WOULD
10:17:28AM YOU HAVE THE NOT HAVE THE SITUATION OF DISPARITY OF RACIAL
10:17:34AM DISPARITY, MR. CARLSON.
10:17:36AM YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT YOUR NUMBERS.
10:17:38AM THE ONLY PROBLEM IS, YOU CAN'T FORCE YOUR CITY STAFFERS TO
10:17:41AM DO ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE AT EVO.
10:17:44AM THE MAN NEEDS SIX MORE PEOPLE.
10:17:46AM GET IN HERE ON THIS BUDGET UNLESS THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME
10:17:48AM ISSUES.
10:17:49AM MAKE SURE THAT ADAM HARDEN FOLLOWS WHAT HE IS SUPPOSED TO DO
10:17:54AM AND PRESENT THOSE REPORTS.
10:17:56AM WHERE ARE THEY AT?
10:17:57AM 13 YEARS OF NEGLIGENCE.
10:17:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:18:00AM NEXT SPEAKER.
10:18:01AM >> I AM NOT THAT FAMILIAR WITH HOW THIS WORKS.
10:18:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE CAN SEE IT.
10:18:18AM GET IT UP ON THE BIG SCREEN.
10:18:19AM >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN SEE THIS.
10:18:22AM OKAY.
10:18:23AM CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
10:18:31AM I HAVE SOME THINGS I WANT TO SHOW YOU.
10:18:32AM >> YOU WANT TO KNOW IF IT WILL FLOOD OR NOT.
10:18:38AM I AM IN PORT TAMPA FULL OF WATER.
10:18:45AM THE FIRST PART OF THE HOUSE.
10:18:49AM AND THE STREETS ARE FLOODED.
10:18:55AM WE HAVE ANOTHER TIDE COMING AT 2:00, SO Y'ALL BE READY.
10:19:04AM GET YOUR CARS OUT OF HERE.
10:19:08AM GOD BLESS AND STAY SAFE, Y'ALL.
10:19:10AM >> I GOT THESE PICTURES OFF OF SOCIAL MEDIA LAST NIGHT.
10:19:14AM THEY SAY A PICTURE IS WORTH 1,000 WORDS.
10:19:17AM THESE PICTURES SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.
10:19:19AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHAT STREET THAT, MISS BENNETT?
10:19:37AM >> I WILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK.
10:19:38AM PRESCOTT.
10:19:39AM I AM NOT SURE WHICH ONE IS EITHER.
10:19:43AM I CAN FIND OUT FOR YOU THOUGH.
10:19:45AM >> I AM GOING TO QUOTE URBAN TAMPA BAY ON THIS AND THEY SAID
10:20:09AM IT BEST, DOESN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE TO ALLOW NEW DEVELOPMENTS
10:20:12AM AT HIGH RISK OF INUNDATION UNDER FLOOD EVENTS.
10:20:16AM EVERY PROPERTY DEVELOPED IN SUCH LOCATION IS A PROPERTY --
10:20:19AM ANOTHER PROPERTY THAT THE REST OF US WILL BE SUBSIDIZING IN
10:20:26AM PERPETUITY WITH OUR INSURANCE AND DISASTER RELIEF PAYMENTS.
10:20:31AM >> ONCE AGAIN, WE ARE SO LUCKY IN THE BAY AREA WE DODGED
10:20:45AM ANOTHER BULLET IN TERMS OF THE WINDS.
10:20:47AM JUST GOES TO SHOW YOU.
10:20:48AM JUST THINK ABOUT IT.
10:20:49AM IF WE HIT DIRECT, SIX FEET OF SURGE IN TAMPA BAY.
10:20:53AM YOU HIT DIRECTLY, YOU CAN DOUBLE AND TRIPLE THAT.
10:20:56AM I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT THE DATA WE GET HIT BY A VERY
10:20:59AM POWERFUL HURRICANE.
10:21:00AM WHY WE ASK YOU TO EVACUATE ALL THE TIME JUST IN CASE ONE DAY
10:21:04AM OUR LUCK WILL RUN OUT.
10:21:05AM BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE WHAT HAPPENED THIS.
10:21:08AM IT WAS NOTHING.
10:21:09AM OUR STORM DIDN'T COME NEAR US --
10:21:12AM >> BAYSHORE BOULEVARD WITH THE DRONE VIDEO.
10:21:15AM PEOPLE ON TWITTER SAYING I PRAY THERE IS NEVER A DIRECT HIT.
10:21:18AM >> FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND.
10:21:20AM >> THE PRICE TAG EVEN FOR THIS ONE WILL BE SO HIGH.
10:21:24AM >> THANK YOU.
10:21:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:21:28AM YES, MA'AM.
10:21:31AM >> GOOD MORNING, CONNIE BURTON.
10:21:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING.
10:21:39AM >> YOU SAY ONE OF THE QUOTES WERE LEADERS SHOULD MOBILIZE
10:21:43AM PEOPLE TO FACE THE PROBLEM.
10:21:45AM AND I WOULD SAY THAT THE COUNCILMAN THAT PRESENTED THAT
10:21:50AM PRESENTATION TO YOU SHOULD FORCE YOU TO COME WITH A PLAN OF
10:21:55AM ACTION ON HOW YOU PLAN CONTINUE TO FACING THESE PROBLEMS.
10:21:58AM THESE ARE THE SAME THINGS WE ARE ARTICULATING EVERY WEEK.
10:22:03AM THESE ARE THE SAME THINGS -- AND I THINK OF THE FIRST
10:22:07AM AFRICAN-AMERICAN COUNCILMAN, PERRY HARVEY THAT LED THE
10:22:11AM CHARGE SAYING AFRICAN-AMERICAN PEOPLE NEED SOMETHING.
10:22:14AM HE WOULD ALWAYS SAY GIVE ME SOMETHING TO TAKE BACK HOME
10:22:17AM AND WHAT WE HAVE AT HOME RIGHT NOW SHOW ME THAT THE FOUR
10:22:24AM LAST INDICATORS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, HOW WE ARE GOING TO
10:22:26AM REDUCE POVERTY, WE GOT MORE POVERTY.
10:22:29AM HOW WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES, IT IS NOT
10:22:33AM THERE.
10:22:33AM HOW WE ARE GOING TO COMMIT TO RACIAL EQUALITY.
10:22:38AM IT'S A JOKE.
10:22:39AM BECAUSE EVERY WEEK YOU ARE CUTTING A PIE OF ECONOMIC
10:22:45AM OPPORTUNITIES WHERE BLACK PEOPLE CANNOT EVEN PASS BACKGROUND
10:22:50AM CHALLENGES BASED ON POLICIES TO GET THEMSELVES AND THEIR
10:22:56AM FAMILIES TO MOVE FORWARD.
10:22:57AM IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.
10:23:01AM IT IS THE MAYOR'S RESPONSIBILITY.
10:23:05AM THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE TAMPA BAY AREA WE KNOW MO WE ARE
10:23:09AM TALKING ABOUT.
10:23:10AM WHEN WE ARE TALKING OF READINESS AND BEING PREPARED FOR THE
10:23:15AM IMPENDING STORMS, THAT WE WANT A REACTION OTHER THAN HOW IT
10:23:21AM IS GOING TO HAPPEN JUST ON BAYSHORE.
10:23:23AM WE ARE TALKING OF AN ECONOMIC STORM OF POVERTY THAT PEOPLE
10:23:27AM HAVE LOST HOPE.
10:23:29AM EVERY WEEK WHEN THIS BUDGET IS SHARPENED UP AND ESPECIALLY
10:23:33AM AROUND ITEM NUMBER 8 ON YOUR AGENDA, YOU SHOULD HAVE
10:23:37AM SOMEBODY RIGHT HERE TO SAY, HOW IS THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY
10:23:41AM BENEFITTING FROM ALL OF THESE EXPENDITURES AND CONTRACTS
10:23:44AM THAT ARE GOING OUT.
10:23:45AM BUT WHAT WE DO HEAR IS HOW INDIVIDUALS FROM THAT DEPARTMENT
10:23:50AM IS GIVING HIGH PRESTIGE AWARDS WHEN OUR COMMUNITY IS
10:23:54AM SUFFERING.
10:23:54AM FOR THE LAST 25-PLUS YEARS, MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITIES HAVE
10:24:01AM BEEN COMING DOWN HERE TO RAISE THE EXACT ISSUES THAT THAT
10:24:04AM PRESENTATION LAID OUT.
10:24:06AM IT MIGHT WAS CALMER, BUT THE SAME ISSUE.
10:24:10AM I WILL TELL YOU TO MOVE VERY CAUTIOUSLY ON ITEM NUMBER 12.
10:24:15AM DO NOT TRY TO STIPEND OUR VOICE.
10:24:17AM DO NOT ATTEMPT TO MINIMIZE WHAT WE CAN SAY WHEN WE COME TO
10:24:23AM THIS PODIUM.
10:24:24AM I THINK WE HAVE BEEN VERY KIND WITH THE FACT THAT OUR
10:24:28AM COMMUNITY IS STILL CATCHING HELL.
10:24:29AM THANK YOU.
10:24:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:24:34AM >> MENTESNOT.
10:24:37AM MENTESNOT MEANS ANYTHING POSSIBLE.
10:24:39AM SAY UHURU TAMPA, AND IT MEANS FREEDOM IN SWAHILI.
10:24:46AM WE, AS AFRICAN PEOPLE, NEED TO THINK OF OUR FREEDOM.
10:24:50AM ORLANDO GUDES SAID REPUTATIONS BEFORE BUT THE FIRST TIME I
10:24:53AM HEARD THE WORD REPARATIONS USED IN THIS HALL RIGHT HERE THAT
10:24:56AM I HAVE HEARD IT.
10:24:57AM BUT THE THING -- THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, I THINK TIME
10:25:00AM REPARATIONS -- TYING REPARATIONS TO BUDGET IS SOMEWHAT
10:25:03AM DISINGENUOUS.
10:25:06AM I AM HONOR TO HEAR THAT WORD REPUTATION, DISTRICT 5 HAVE A
10:25:12AM BIG HOUSE IN THE HEART OF DISTRICT 5.
10:25:14AM WE DON'T WANT THIS BUDGET AT ALL.
10:25:16AM AT ALL, AT ALL.
10:25:18AM AND OUR REPRESENTATIVES SHOULD NOT VOTE FOR THIS BUDGET.
10:25:21AM $2 BILLION.
10:25:22AM SHOULD BE $500 MILLION OF IT FOR US.
10:25:25AM WE ARE AT 26% OF THIS POPULATION.
10:25:27AM AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING -- LIKE THEY TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT
10:25:32AM THINGS BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS HOMEOWNERSHIP MEANS
10:25:35AM NOTHING.
10:25:35AM TO INVEST AS HOMEOWNERSHIP, SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLINGS MEANS
10:25:40AM NOTHING.
10:25:40AM LOOK AT BAYSHORE BOULEVARD AND THAT CAN GIVE YOU AN IDEA.
10:25:43AM FROM PLACES WHERE THEY USED TO COLLECT 60,000, $70,000 ON A
10:25:48AM HOME IN TAXES.
10:25:49AM THOSE SAME PLACES HAVE APARTMENT COMPLEXES NOW, CONDOMINIUMS
10:25:54AM COLLECT $1 MILLION, $2 MILLION A YEAR.
10:25:56AM HOME, SINGLE-FAMILY HOMEOWNERSHIP MEANS NOTHING.
10:26:00AM SEE IT GOING ON CARVER CITY OVER AT THE AIRPORT A AND OTHER
10:26:04AM PLACES.
10:26:05AM BUT THE FACT -- OH, COVID IS ON THE WAY BACK UP.
10:26:08AM SO YOU NEED TO MAKE MASKS AVAILABLE FOR THE PEOPLE COMING IN
10:26:11AM THIS BUILDING.
10:26:12AM WE WANT THIS CITY TO PUT THE BREAKS ON THEIR BUDGET.
10:26:16AM WE WANT THE CITY TO REALLY CONSIDER REPARATIONS.
10:26:21AM WE DON'T WANT IT WHERE SOMEONE CAN COME IN HERE AND NOT
10:26:25AM ATTACKING ANYONE PERSONALLY AND NO OFFENSE TO ANYTHING.
10:26:28AM WE DON'T WANT WHERE SOMEONE CAN COME IN HERE AND TALK ABOUT
10:26:33AM AN OAK TREE AND EACH AND EVERY CITY COUNCILMEMBER CAN MAKE
10:26:37AM THEIR STAFF AVAILABLE TO THEM.
10:26:38AM AND WE ARE TALKING OF POVERTY.
10:26:42AM WE ARE TALKING OF REPARATIONS.
10:26:44AM WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GIVE US OUR MONEY, AND NOBODY SAYS A
10:26:48AM SINGLE WORD ABOUT IT.
10:26:49AM THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS DONE THIS MORNING WAS VERY
10:26:53AM HONORABLE.
10:26:53AM BECAUSE IT IS THE FIRST TIME WE REALLY SEEN A WHITE PERSON
10:26:58AM PUT FORTH REALISTICALLY, ANALYTICALLY, SCIENTIFICALLY.
10:27:05AM THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE SEEN A WHITE PERSON IN THIS CITY PUT
10:27:10AM FORTH SOMETHING THAT MADE SENSE.
10:27:11AM ALL OTHER PROGRAMS AIN'T MAKE NO SENSE.
10:27:13AM I CAN GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO BILL POE AND ALL THE OTHER ONES
10:27:18AM THAT WENT WITH HIM.
10:27:19AM SANDY FREEMAN.
10:27:21AM AND THE WHOLE WORKS.
10:27:22AM GRECO.
10:27:24AM DONE NOTHING FOR US.
10:27:25AM NOTHING.
10:27:26AM THE FIRST TIME WE EVER HEARD A REALISTIC PROGRAM PUT FORTH
10:27:30AM IN THE FORM OF PUTTING CHARTS AND GRAPHS TOGETHER AND SAYING
10:27:34AM THAT THERE IS SOME REAL DISPARITIES AND THEY HAVE TO BE
10:27:38AM ADDRESSED.
10:27:38AM THIS CITY LIKE ANY OTHER CITY, THEY ARE TRYING TO RUN ALL
10:27:43AM THE AFRICANS OUT OF THE CITY.
10:27:45AM THANK YOU.
10:27:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING.
10:27:47AM >> SURGRET DOLSON.
10:27:50AM I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.
10:27:52AM I EXPECT NOTHING LESS COMING FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH
10:27:54AM FLORIDA.
10:27:54AM I WANT TO GIVE CONDOLENCES TO THEM, FAMILIES OF THE MOST
10:28:02AM HIGH FOR COVERING THE STUDENTS AT EDWARD WATERS UNIVERSITY
10:28:07AM BECAUSE IT COULD HAVE BEEN MUCH WORSE.
10:28:09AM ACCOUNTABILITY, MISFEASANCE, MALFEASANCE.
10:28:13AM I GUESS MY ATTORNEY IS GONE.
10:28:15AM I LIKE DATA AS WELL AND I WOULD BE BETTER IF I CAN GET DATA
10:28:18AM LIKE THOSE 3,000 E-MAILS THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA WANTS TO
10:28:22AM CHARGE $10,000 FOR.
10:28:23AM MAYBE I WILL GET THE SAME KIND OF OUTCOME THAT GIULIANI GOT
10:28:27AM IN GEORGIA AND I WILL BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH JUST THE DAMAGES
10:28:30AM PART.
10:28:30AM AND I DO NEED THEM ALSO FOR TRIAL EXHIBITS.
10:28:34AM BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING.
10:28:35AM LET'S JUST IMAGINE, BY THE WAY -- LET'S SAY I WALK IN A
10:28:39AM STORE OWNED BY A WHITE PERSON, A JEWISH PERSON, A HISPANIC
10:28:42AM PERSON AND I URINATED ON THE FLOOR AND TOOK MY WEAPON FIRED
10:28:49AM IN THE AIR.
10:28:50AM TOLD THE PROPRIETOR, I DON'T LIKE YOUR PEOPLE.
10:28:55AM AND I HAVE A JUDGE THAT HAPPENS TO BE BLACK AND HE DID
10:28:57AM EVERYTHING IN HIS POWER TO PROTECT ME FROM RECEIVING
10:29:00AM SUBSTANTIAL JUSTICE.
10:29:01AM THEN THE SAME JUDGE LATER ON WHEN THERE IS A WHITE VETERAN
10:29:08AM WENT TO HIS POLICE OFFICER FRIEND AND SAID, HEY, LISTEN, I
10:29:11AM NEED YOU TO DO EVERYTHING IN YOUR POWER TO PUT THAT GUY --
10:29:14AM BY THE WAY, I AM A BLACK JUDGE, PUT THAT WHITE GUY WHO OWNED
10:29:18AM PROPERTY TRYING TO DEFEND HIS PROPERTY, I WANT YOU TO WRITE
10:29:21AM A FALSE REPORT AND PUT HIM IN PRISON.
10:29:23AM I WANT THE CITY COUNCIL TO SAY YOU WILL FIND NOTHING WRONG
10:29:27AM WITH THAT.
10:29:28AM I WANT ANYBODY IN AMERICA TO SAY YOU WOULD BE OKAY WITH IT.
10:29:31AM BUT THAT HAPPENED TO ME.
10:29:33AM WE JUST REVERSED EVERYTHING.
10:29:34AM WHITE JUDGE.
10:29:36AM WENT TO THE WHITE MAYOR'S BODYGUARD AND SAID, HEY, LISTEN,
10:29:41AM WRITE THIS UP.
10:29:41AM IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, JUST GO TO THE MIDDLE DISTRICT OF
10:29:45AM FLORIDA THROUGH PACE OR WHAT HAVE YOU AND LOOK UP 2022, CASE
10:29:51AM 129.
10:29:51AM IT IS RIGHT THERE.
10:29:52AM AND THE FACT I HAVE TO WORK THIS DILIGENTLY AND HARD TO GET
10:29:56AM INFORMATION THAT IS PUBLIC RECORD IS REALLY OFFENSIVE AND
10:29:59AM EVEN MORE OFFENSIVE AS I SAID LAST WEEK, YOU ALL REHIRED THE
10:30:03AM GUY.
10:30:04AM SO WE CAN TALK OF NEGLIGENT HIRING.
10:30:05AM NEGLIGENT RETENTION AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS -- OTHER
10:30:09AM FANCY -- I GUESS IF THEY WERE HERE, THEY WOULD KNOW LEGAL
10:30:12AM WORDS.
10:30:12AM I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY.
10:30:14AM I DON'T PLAY ONE ON TV EITHER, BUT I READ AS WELL.
10:30:17AM I WENT TO THE UNIVERSITY OF THOMAS JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL.
10:30:19AM AND AS FAR AS GETTING -- I SAW THE NUMBERS.
10:30:23AM PEOPLE FORGET THAT THEY TALK ABOUT TECH A LOT.
10:30:26AM I KNOW WE HAVE A TECH BEHIND ME, BUT THE UNIVERSITY OF
10:30:30AM THOMAS JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL STILL OFFERS WELDING WHICH CAN
10:30:34AM GIVE YOU A VERY GOOD LIVING, PEOPLE.
10:30:35AM SO ANYBODY WATCHING IF YOU HAVE CHILDREN AND YOU CAN HELP
10:30:38AM RESTORE THE GREATNESS OF OUR FOOTBALL TEAM AS WELL.
10:30:41AM BUT SENIOR -- SEND YOUR KIDS TO UNIVERSITY OF THOMAS
10:30:45AM JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL.
10:30:46AM Y'ALL TAKE CARE.
10:30:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:30:49AM YES, SIR.
10:30:49AM >> HEY, GOOD MORNING.
10:30:55AM FIRST OFF, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE IN THE CITY, CITY
10:31:00AM STAFF, CITY COUNCIL, CITY RESIDENTS FOR THESE LAST COUPLE OF
10:31:04AM DAYS AND HARD WORK THROUGH HURRICANE IDALIA.
10:31:07AM THANKFUL THAT WE MADE IT OUT OKAY AS FIRST RESPONDERS.
10:31:10AM GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, CITY STAFF AND THOSE LISTENING IN.
10:31:15AM I AM NICK STOCCO, NEWLY ELECTED PRESIDENT OF TAMPA FIRE
10:31:21AM FIGHTERS.
10:31:21AM I WILL APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE SPEAKING BEFORE COUNCIL, AND
10:31:26AM ENGLISH WAS MY FIRST LANGUAGE.
10:31:28AM SOME OF YOU WERE AROUND FOR THAT SPEECH.
10:31:30AM THAT WAS?
10:31:32AM IN JANUARY.
10:31:32AM THAT ISN'T THE FIRST TIME THAT WE HAVE HEARD OF THE PUBLIC
10:31:35AM SAFETY MASTER PLAN.
10:31:36AM NOT THIS ADMINISTRATION.
10:31:38AM NOT THE ONE PREVIOUS.
10:31:40AM IN 2019 IS WHEN THE PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN WAS MOTIONED
10:31:44AM FOR AND SUPPOSED TO BE PRESENTED.
10:31:46AM IN FACT, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE UPDATED YEARLY.
10:31:50AM I UNDERSTAND THAT THE HURRICANE CAME AT SUCH A TIME --
10:31:54AM CRUCIAL TIME RIGHT BEFORE BUDGET, BUT NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY
10:31:57AM WE DON'T HAVE AT THAT PLAN FOUR YEARS LATER.
10:31:59AM SO THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO LIVE BY THAT PLAN.
10:32:03AM AND WE CAN DECREASE THE BUDGET AS IT IS PROPOSED IN THIS
10:32:06AM FISCAL YEAR FOR PUBLIC SAFETY YOU WANT TO THANK THE FIRST
10:32:13AM RESPONDERS AND THE FIRE FIGHTERS, THANK THEM IN THIS BUDGET,
10:32:17AM WHETHER IT IS COMPENSATION, MOST IMPORTANTLY WORKING
10:32:22AM CONDITIONS AND IN THESE STATIONS.
10:32:23AM I AM NOT GOING TO PUT THE PICTURES UP OF THE MOLD AT STATION
10:32:26AM 9.
10:32:26AM I WON'T PUT THE REPORT UP OF THE MOLD IN STATION 9.
10:32:30AM WANTING TO PAY $4.3 MILLION INTO RENOVATING A STATION FULL
10:32:35AM OF MOLD?
10:32:36AM YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
10:32:37AM IT COST ABOUT $6 MILLION TO BUILD A STATION FROM SCRATCH.
10:32:41AM IF YOU HAVE THE PROPERTY, ADD ANOTHER 1.7, YOU GET A
10:32:47AM BRAND-NEW STATION.
10:32:47AM RELOCATE THE SUPPLY DIVISION, THE FIRE MECHANICS.
10:32:50AM RELOCATE THOSE AND PUT THE RESOURCE THERE IS TO BE ABLE TO
10:32:54AM PROVIDE THE CITIZENS WITH THE BEST SERVICE AND MOST
10:32:57AM IMPORTANTLY, THE FIRE FIGHTERS WITH THE BEST WORKING
10:33:00AM CONDITIONS THAT THIS CITY SAYS THEY ARE THE BEST.
10:33:02AM THERE IS NO FIRE FIGHTERS HERE.
10:33:04AM THEY ARE DONE BEING MISLED.
10:33:06AM THEY HAVE BEEN MISLED FOR YEARS WAITING ON THIS PUBLIC
10:33:09AM SAFETY MASTER PLAN.
10:33:10AM THEY CONSTANTLY COME UP TO ME AND SAY ARE YOU STILL GOING UP
10:33:15AM THERE TO TALK OF THE MASTER PLAN.
10:33:16AM YEAH.
10:33:16AM UP KNOW WE ARE NOT GETTING IT.
10:33:18AM I AM NOT GOING AWAY.
10:33:20AM AND I APPRECIATE MR. ROBINSON'S ENERGY AND ENTHUSIASM TO PUT
10:33:26AM ENERGY IN MY LIFE BECAUSE THE LAST TIME I HAVE SPOKEN IT HAS
10:33:30AM BEEN CHIN TO CHEST.
10:33:31AM BUT I HOPE THAT YOU ALL LOOK INTO THIS BUDGET AND WHATEVER
10:33:35AM NEEDS TO BE INCREASED IS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, MOST IMPORTANTLY
10:33:38AM THE FIRE FIGHTERS.
10:33:39AM THAT IS HOW YOU CAN THANK THEM AND THAT'S DOING THE RIGHT
10:33:43AM THING.
10:33:43AM THANK YOU.
10:33:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:33:46AM NEXT SPEAKER.
10:33:48AM YES, MA'AM.
10:33:55AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
10:34:12AM MY NAME IS SANDY DIEGO SANCHEZ, AND I LIVE AT 2705 WEST FIG
10:34:18AM STREET.
10:34:18AM THE LAST FEW YEARS, I HAVE SPOKEN TO ALL OF YOU EITHER
10:34:21AM INDIVIDUALLY OR WHEN MY COMMUNITY AND I APPEAR BEFORE YOU ON
10:34:24AM REZONING ISSUES.
10:34:26AM AND I ASK YOU TO HELP KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE.
10:34:28AM AND PROTECT THEM FROM THE OVERFLOW PARKING FROM FOR NEWLY
10:34:34AM DESIGNED RESIDENCES.
10:34:36AM TWO THURSDAYS AGO ON AUGUST 17, WE CAME BEFORE YOU TO FIGHT
10:34:41AM A REZONING TO KEEP BADLY DESIGNED PLANS FROM CAUSING CHAOS
10:34:45AM IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FOR OVERPARKING
10:34:48AM THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN, AS YOU ASKED CITY STAFF TO
10:34:54AM REVIEW THE DESIGN AND SHARE THE REASON WHY THE CITY OF
10:34:57AM ORLANDO HAD BANNED THE DESIGN.
10:35:00AM THE REPORT WILL COME BACK TO YOU IN DECEMBER.
10:35:02AM ITEM NUMBER 11 ON TODAY'S AGENDA, ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS IS
10:35:07AM CODE 27-283.11, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH LARGE, COMMERCIAL, AND
10:35:14AM OVERSIZED TRUCKS PARKING IN OUR RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
10:35:16AM EVIDENTLY, WE DO HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM IN OUR RESIDENTIAL
10:35:20AM AREA.
10:35:21AM BESIDES SPEAKING TO YOU, I HAVE ALSO SPOKEN TO CITY STAFF,
10:35:26AM FROM LAND DEVELOPMENT, AND MOBILITY.
10:35:28AM AND THEY ALSO RECOGNIZE AND AGREE THAT THERE IS SERIOUS
10:35:31AM PARKING ISSUES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
10:35:33AM IT HAS GIVEN ME POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT WITH THE IDEA TO
10:35:39AM SHARE WITH THEM TO BETTER PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY.
10:35:41AM THE PROBLEM WHERE THE IDEAS THEY TELL ME IS THAT TAMPA CITY
10:35:44AM COUNCIL NEEDS TO GIVE THEM DIRECTIONS TO MOVE FORWARD IN
10:35:47AM ADDRESSING THE ISSUE SO AS THEY CAN FIND SOLUTIONS.
10:35:50AM THE PACKET I GAVE YOU CONTAINS IDEAS AND PICTURES WHICH COME
10:35:54AM FROM NOT ONLY MY COMMUNITY BUT OTHER COMMUNITIES, ESPECIALLY
10:35:58AM THOSE OF US WHO HAVE LITTLE OR NO SIDEWALKS.
10:36:00AM A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE ASKING FOR IS CLARITY IN
10:36:04AM THE SIZE OF TWO-CAR GARAGES AND ONE-CAR GARAGES.
10:36:09AM WE SAW ON ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT THE CARS BARELY FIT IN.
10:36:13AM YOU COULD NOT OPEN THE DOORS.
10:36:14AM IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU HAVE A THREE BEDROOM, FOUR BEDROOM,
10:36:19AM YOU -- THEY EITHER ASK FOR A TWO-CAR GARAGE OR A ONE-CAR
10:36:23AM GARAGE.
10:36:24AM FIRST PICTURE IN THERE.
10:36:25AM I THINK THE FIRST OR SECOND PICTURE SHOW AS LITTLE WHITE
10:36:29AM BOX.
10:36:29AM THAT IS A SINGLE-CAR GARAGE.
10:36:32AM 640,000 FOR THAT DUPLEX.
10:36:35AM ONE SIDE OF THE DUPLEX.
10:36:37AM AND THEY CAN NOT -- YOU CAN BARELY GET A GOLF CART IN THERE
10:36:41AM ROAR YET CITY PERMITTING SAID IT WAS A GARAGE AND IT PASSED.
10:36:48AM THE NEW OWNERS DEVASTATED.
10:36:49AM THEY KNEW IT WAS A GARAGE.
10:36:51AM THEY DIDN'T KNOW THE SIZE.
10:36:53AM PLACEMENTS OF TRASH CANS WE FOUND OUT ARE A BIG ISSUE.
10:36:56AM I ASK THAT YOU MOVE FORWARD AND MAKE A NOTION THAT CITY
10:37:01AM STAFF COME BACK WITH SOME ANSWERS.
10:37:03AM ANY OF THE PACKETS CAN BE HANDED TO THE PROPER DEPARTMENT.
10:37:06AM PLEASE HELP US PROTECT YOUR CONSTITUENTS.
10:37:10AM YOU ASK YOUR HELP WITH THIS FOR MOVING FORWARD.
10:37:13AM IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WILL BE GLAD TO ANSWER THEM.
10:37:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:37:17AM YES, SIR.
10:37:18AM >> CITY , THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
10:37:26AM THIS IS KIND OF YOU TOO.
10:37:27AM MY NAME IS MIKE BROWN, AND I AM THE BRAND-NEW REGIONAL EXEC
10:37:31AM FOR THE CENTRAL FLORIDA RED CROSS.
10:37:33AM TODAY IS MY FIRST DAY ON THE JOB.
10:37:35AM NICE TO MEET ALL OF YOU.
10:37:38AM I CAME DOWN TO MEET AS MANY FOLKS AS I COULD BUT TO FIND OUT
10:37:41AM IF THERE ARE ANY NEEDS THAT ARE UNMET.
10:37:43AM AND I SAW THE PRESENTATION, OBVIOUSLY THE FLOODING IN NORTH
10:37:46AM TAMPA.
10:37:46AM I AM STILL GETTING MY ARMS AROUND THE GEOGRAPHY AND I WILL
10:37:49AM DO THAT QUICKLY.
10:37:50AM I WILL GET WITH HER AND FIND OUT WHERE THOSE PATCHES ARE
10:37:53AM FLOODING AND MAKE SURE THEY HAVE RED CROSS SERVICES.
10:37:55AM I WANTED TO INTRODUCE MYSELF AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS
10:37:58AM OF RED CROSS, YOU ALL WILL RECEIVE MY CONTACT INFORMATION
10:38:01AM VIA CAN E-MAIL.
10:38:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:38:04AM APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.
10:38:05AM >> THANK YOU.
10:38:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
10:38:07AM YES, MA'AM.
10:38:08AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:38:10AM STEPHANIE POYNOR.
10:38:13AM I WANT TO START OFF BY TALKING -- I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS
10:38:17AM YEAR'S BUDGET.
10:38:17AM I WANT TO TALK ABOUT LAST YEAR'S BUDGET.
10:38:20AM LAST YEAR, I AM SURE THAT Y'ALL REMEMBER ON SEPTEMBER 6, WE
10:38:24AM TALKED ABOUT THE BUDGET.
10:38:25AM AND THERE WAS $5.5 MILLION THAT I SAID, HEY, WHY ARE WE
10:38:31AM GIVING THIS TO SOLID WASTE.
10:38:32AM AND SO STAFF CAME UP HERE.
10:38:35AM CHIEF BENNETT SAID, HEY, WE ARE GOING TO PUT THAT TOWARD
10:38:38AM HOUSING.
10:38:39AM YOU KNOW WHERE IT IS AT?
10:38:41AM IT IS IN SOLID WASTE.
10:38:42AM THE MONEY WAS NEVER GIVEN FOR HOUSING, WHICH IS CRAP.
10:38:47AM AND WE ALL KNOW IT.
10:38:49AM AND HERE IS THE KICKER.
10:38:51AM THIS -- I CALL THIS THE OVER-UNDER.
10:38:54AM THIS IS A SHEET THAT YOU GUYS -- A MEMO FROM DENNIS ROGERO
10:38:59AM DATED AUGUST 22 THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK ASKED FOR.
10:39:02AM AND SHE ASKED FOR HOW MUCH MONEY EXTRA DO WE HAVE AND HOW
10:39:06AM MUCH WE OVER.
10:39:07AM AND THE MOST IMPORTANT LINE HERE IS, THE SOLID WASTE HAS
10:39:12AM $6.8 MILLION EXTRA, BUT YET THEY DIDN'T GIVE US THE HOUSING
10:39:16AM MONEY.
10:39:16AM DO THE MATH.
10:39:17AM I DID.
10:39:19AM THEY HAD $129 MILLION TO SPEND.
10:39:22AM WE ONLY WANTED $5.5 MILLION.
10:39:25AM ALL RIGHT.
10:39:27AM LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS YEAR'S BUDGET BECAUSE REMEMBER WE HAVE
10:39:29AM THOSE FOUR THINGS THAT ARE REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE
10:39:32AM ADMINISTRATION.
10:39:32AM PARKS, PUBLIC SAFETY, PAVING AND HOUSING.
10:39:36AM SO I -- I AM JUST NOW GETTING TO PARKS ON THE LIST.
10:39:40AM AND I AM VERY CONCERNED.
10:39:41AM I SAW IN PARKS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN WHERE
10:39:46AM THEY HAD PUT A BIG CHUNK OF MONEY THERE AND THEY HAVEN'T
10:39:49AM SPENT ANY OF IT.
10:39:50AM WHY?
10:39:51AM WHY HAVEN'T THEY SPENT THE MONEY?
10:39:53AM THESE TWO ARE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT BECAUSE THIS ONE IS FOR
10:39:56AM ELECTRICAL REPAIRS AND UPGRADES.
10:39:58AM THIS IS MINOR STUFF THAT SHOULD BE -- WE SHOULD BE DOING
10:40:02AM YEAR-OVER-YEAR.
10:40:02AM WE SPENT 5% OF THAT BUDGET.
10:40:05AM WHY?
10:40:06AM WHAT DID THEY DO WITH THE REST OF THE MONEY?
10:40:09AM LET'S LOOK AT THIS ONE.
10:40:10AM THIS IS GENERAL MAINTENANCE BUDGET.
10:40:12AM WE HAD A LADY IN HERE LAST WEEK TALKING OF THE INTERBAY
10:40:16AM LITTLE LEAGUE.
10:40:17AM ALL OF THE THINGS THAT SHE ASKED FOR IN THAT MEETING, THERE
10:40:21AM WAS MONEY IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET FOR.
10:40:22AM WHAT DID THEY DO WITH THE MONEY?
10:40:24AM SERIOUSLY.
10:40:26AM IF YOU DIDN'T SPEND THE MONEY, WHERE DID IT GO, POOF!
10:40:30AM I DON'T KNOW.
10:40:30AM YOU TELL ME.
10:40:31AM THIS IS THE ONLINE BUDGET BOOK.
10:40:33AM THIS IS A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT NUMBER THAT I KNOW IS
10:40:37AM DIFFICULT TO READ, IT IS $54 MILLION IN INCREASES IN
10:40:41AM PERSONNEL.
10:40:42AM THAT IS MORE THAN THE MILLAGE THAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR.
10:40:47AM THEY TOOK OUR $5.5 MILLION.
10:40:49AM THEY ARE NOT SPENDING PARKS MONEY.
10:40:51AM AND THEY WANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY A $54 MILLION INCREASE IN
10:40:57AM PERSONNEL GUYS.
10:40:58AM THOSE PEOPLE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THOSE RAISES YET.
10:41:01AM AND UP IF LOOK, THEY WENT UP QUITE A BIT LAST YEAR.
10:41:05AM SO WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THAT.
10:41:07AM WE HAVE GOT 37% INCREASE.
10:41:09AM 10%.
10:41:10AM 9.5%.
10:41:12AM 6.9%.
10:41:14AM AND BOTTOM LINE IS, WE GOT A BUNCH OF MONEY THAT WE -- IT IS
10:41:19AM NOT BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR.
10:41:20AM WHERE DID IT GO?
10:41:21AM WHY ARE WE SPENDING IT THE WAY WE ARE SPENDING IT?
10:41:24AM AND WE WON'T EVEN TALK OF THE INTERBAY MONEY.
10:41:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
10:41:30AM NOBODY REGISTERED SO WE ARE GOING TO GO TO ITEM NUMBER 2.
10:41:33AM AND YOU WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AFTER EACH PUBLIC
10:41:37AM COMMENT ITEM.
10:41:38AM >>CHUCK CARDEN: STILL MORNING.
10:41:51AM GOOD MORNING, I AM CHUCK CARDEN, AND I AM THE GENERAL MANAGER.
10:41:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BRING UP THE PRESENTATION TO THE MAIN
10:41:56AM SCREEN.
10:41:57AM >>CHUCK CARDEN: OKAY.
10:41:57AM I JUST WANTED TO -- I WILL TRY TO MAKE A ROUND OF THE MEMBER
10:42:01AM GOVERNMENTS TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE WHAT WE ARE DOING AT TAMPA
10:42:04AM BAY WATER.
10:42:04AM WE ARE YOUR REGIONAL WATER SUPPLIER.
10:42:07AM WE WERE CREATED 25 YEARS AGO TO FIVE MEMBER GOVERNMENTS,
10:42:14AM INCLUDING YOURSELF.
10:42:15AM SO SIX MEMBER GOVERNMENTS THAT WE HAVE THE INEQUITABLE
10:42:21AM OBLIGATION TO SUPPLY ALL OF YOUR WATER NEEDS.
10:42:23AM THE MEMBERS INCLUDE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, PASCO COUNTY AND
10:42:26AM PINELLAS COUNTY, NEW PORT RICHEY, CITY OF ST. PETE, AND, OF
10:42:31AM COURSE, THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:42:32AM YOUR MEMBERSHIP IS UNIQUE THAT YOU CAN SUPPLY UP TO 82
10:42:36AM MILLION GALLONS A DAY OF YOUR OWN SUPPLY THROUGH THE SURFACE
10:42:39AM WATER TREATMENT PLANT THAT YOU OWN.
10:42:41AM OUR WHOLESALE RATE IS CURRENTLY $2.58 PER THOUSAND.
10:42:45AM AND OUR BUDGET IS 179 MILLION GALLONS IS A DAY THIS FISCAL
10:42:54AM YEAR INCLUDED IN THAT IS 6 MILLION GALLONS FOR THE CITY OF
10:42:58AM TAMPA.
10:42:58AM 197 MILLION DOES IN THE INCLUDE THE 182 I MENTIONED THAT YOU
10:43:03AM DO SELF-SUPPLY.
10:43:05AM WE HAVE REDUCED GROUNDWATER PUMPING SO THAT THE ENVIRONMENT
10:43:08AM COULD RECOVER.
10:43:09AM AND WE HAVE DONE THAT WHILE MEETING THE REGION'S DRINKING
10:43:13AM WATER NEEDS 24-7.
10:43:14AM HERE IS HOW WE ARE CURRENTLY MEETING THOSE NEEDS.
10:43:18AM WE HAVE A VERY DIVERSE AND FLEXIBLE WATER SUPPLY SYSTEM THAT
10:43:23AM USES GROUNDWATER, RIVER WATER, AND DESALINATED SEAWATER.
10:43:27AM YOU CAN SEE ON THAT GRAPH, THE RATIO BREAKDOWN IS 60%
10:43:33AM GROUNDWATER VERSUS SURFACE WATER AND DESAL MAKING UP 40% OF
10:43:39AM OUR PORTFOLIO, COMPARING THAT TO 1998 WHEN WE BECAME TAMPA
10:43:44AM BAY WATER WAS 100% GROUNDWATER.
10:43:46AM AND OUR MEMBERS' NEEDS CONTINUE TO GROW.
10:43:52AM THIS GRAPH SHOWS THE COMPARISON BETWEEN THE YEAR 2022, WHICH
10:43:55AM WERE ACTUAL NUMBERS TO OUR PLANNING TO PROVIDE IN 2027.
10:43:59AM YOU CAN SEE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS GROWING QUITE RAPIDLY.
10:44:03AM AND CITY OF TAMPA IS ALSO.
10:44:05AM YOU CAN SEE THERE ON THE FAR RIGHT, WE HAVE BUDGETED SIX
10:44:10AM MILLION GALLON AS DAY SINCE 1998 IN THE CITY AND SOMETIMES
10:44:13AM YOU BUY THE WATER.
10:44:14AM SOMETIMES YOU DON'T.
10:44:15AM SOMETIMES YOUR SURFACE WATER CARRYING THROUGH THE YEAR.
10:44:19AM THE YEAR WE ARE JUST ENDING AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER.
10:44:22AM THE CITY BOUGHT SIX MILLION GALLON AS DAY.
10:44:25AM PRETTY MUCH WHERE WE BUDGETED IT.
10:44:28AM YOU CAN SEE GOING TO 27, A LITTLE OVER TEN MILLION GALLONS.
10:44:32AM 11 MILLION GALLON AS DAY IS WHAT WE ARE PROJECTING FOR THE
10:44:36AM CITY.
10:44:36AM IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT THAT WE TRY TO SAVE ALL THE WATER WE
10:44:40AM CAN TO OFFSET THE NEED TO BUILD NEW WATER SUPPLIES.
10:44:43AM WE HAVE A PROGRAM AT TAMPA BAY WATER CALLED WATERWISE A
10:44:48AM REGIONAL REBATE PROGRAM THAT IS COORDINATED BY US AND
10:44:51AM MANAGED BY THE MEMBER UTILITIES.
10:44:53AM THE DEMAND MANAGEMENT PLAN, THE WATER WISE AND OUR LONG-TERM
10:44:58AM MASTER WATER PLAN IS DESIGNED TO SAVE UP TO FOUR MILLION
10:45:01AM GALLON AS DAY BY THE YEAR 2030.
10:45:04AM AND IT IS AN INCENTIVE-BASED REBATE PROGRAM.
10:45:08AM AND THE WAY WE ARE GOING TO -- IT HAS BEEN LAID OUT THE LAST
10:45:12AM TWO YEARS OFFER REBATES FOR RESIDENTIAL TOILETS AND
10:45:15AM IRRIGATION TECHNOLOGIES AND SOIL MOISTURE SENSORS.
10:45:19AM AND SO -- AND ALSO HAVE A LOT OF LAG IN THE COMMERCIAL
10:45:24AM FIXTURES.
10:45:24AM WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO EXPAND THAT PROGRAM INTO THE FIXTURES
10:45:29AM LOOKING AT SPRAY VALVES, TOILETS AND COOLING TOWERS.
10:45:33AM THE DEMAND MANAGEMENT ISN'T ENOUGH.
10:45:36AM WE ALSO NEED TO ADD NEW WATER SUPPLY TO MEET THE NEEDS OF
10:45:39AM THE FUTURE.
10:45:39AM IN FACT, SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT CREATED TAMPA BAY WATER
10:45:45AM REQUIRE US TO UPDATE OUR LONG-TERM MASTER WATER PLAN EVERY
10:45:48AM FIVE YEARS.
10:45:49AM THAT HELPS US IDENTIFY PROJECTS THAT MEET NEEDS OUT 20 YEARS
10:45:53AM INTO OUR PLANNING HORIZON.
10:45:54AM THIS YEAR -- THIS CHART SHOWS OUR CURRENT PLANNING SHOWING
10:46:00AM THE GRAY LINE IS THE MEMBER GOVERNMENT DEMAND, UP TO DATE,
10:46:04AM ACTUALS.
10:46:04AM AND THE RED LINE REPRESENTS THE TRIGGER FOR US TO EXPAND THE
10:46:07AM SYSTEM.
10:46:08AM SO RIGHT NOW, WE ARE EXPANDING OUR EXISTING SURFACE WATER
10:46:13AM TREATMENT PLANT TO MEET THE DEMAND BY THE 2028 TIME FRAME.
10:46:16AM AND THAT IS THE STEP-UP YOU SEE ON -- ON THE RED LINE THERE.
10:46:21AM THE NEXT WATER SUPPLY WILL BE NEEDED IN 2033 BY OUR
10:46:25AM PROJECTIONS.
10:46:26AM AND WE ESTIMATE THAT WE WILL NEED BETWEEN 10 MILLION TO 20
10:46:32AM MILLION GALLON AS DAY BY THE YEAR 2033.
10:46:35AM THIS IS THE PROCESS THAT WE FOLLOW TO EXPAND OUR SYSTEM,
10:46:40AM WHICH TYPICALLY TAKES ABOUT TEN YEARS.
10:46:43AM IT STARTS WITH THE MASTER WATER PLAN, OUR COMPREHENSIVE
10:46:47AM ANALYSIS OF DEMAND, GROWTH, RELIABILITY, AND INCLUDES
10:46:51AM REVIEWING MOVE THAN 100 POTENTIAL WATER SUPPLY OPTIONS.
10:46:56AM THE OPTIONS ARE ANALYZED AND SCREENED.
10:46:59AM AND WE PARE IS DOWN TO A SHORT LIST OF OPTIONS WHAT WE CALL
10:47:04AM THE "FEASIBILITY PROGRAM."
10:47:07AM FEASIBLE PROJECTS ARE PART OF THE PROJECT CONFIGURATIONS
10:47:11AM THAT OUR BOARD EVENTUALLY WILL BE VOTING ON TO MOVE CONTINUE
10:47:15AM TO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION TO MEET FUTURE DEMANDS.
10:47:17AM WE ARE YOUR RECENTLY IN THE FIRST STEP OF THE PROCESS FOR
10:47:20AM THE 2030 -- 2033 SUPPLY OPTION.
10:47:24AM AND WE ARE DOWN TO A SHORT LIST OF PROJECTS THAT WE ARE
10:47:27AM RECOMMENDING FOR FUTURE FEASIBILITY STUDY.
10:47:30AM WITH THE SCREENING STEPS, THE PROJECTS ARE -- THE CONCEPTS
10:47:35AM ARE ALL EVALUATED USING THREE BOARD-APPROVED,
10:47:39AM EQUALLY-WEIGHTED CATEGORIES INCLUDING ENVIRONMENT,
10:47:42AM ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP COSTS AND RELIABILITY.
10:47:45AM AND HERE IS A GRAPH SHOWING YOU THE SEVEN PROJECT COMPS WE
10:47:52AM ARE SHORT-LISTING AND RECOMMENDING TO BE PART OF THE
10:47:55AM FEASIBILITY PROGRAM.
10:47:56AM THEY ARE NOT IN RANKED ORDER.
10:47:58AM AND THEY REPRESENT QUITE A DIVERSE GEE GRAPHIC LOCATION AND
10:48:03AM SOURCE OF SUPPLY.
10:48:06AM YOU CAN SEE OPTIONS THAT ARE RAIN RANGES FROM THE SURFACE
10:48:10AM WATER EXPANSION, EXPANDING THE DESAL PLANT, EXPLORING THE
10:48:14AM USE OF ADDITIONAL GROUNDWATER.
10:48:17AM AND WE ALSO HAVE ONE OPTION THAT IS G ON THE BOTTOM.
10:48:20AM AND THAT IS WHERE WE WILL BE PURCHASING RECLAIMED CREDIT
10:48:24AM WATER BY HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS BEING INJECTED NEAR THE
10:48:27AM COAST, WHICH IS ALLOWING POTENTIALLY FRESH WATER TO BE
10:48:33AM WITHDRAWN IN A INLAND FOUR OR FIVE MILES.
10:48:35AM WHERE IT IS STILL WORKING WITH THAT.
10:48:37AM THAT IS ONE OF THE SHORT-LISTED CONCEPTS WE THINK HAS A LOT
10:48:40AM OF MERIT.
10:48:41AM IF APPROVED BY THE BOARD, THE NEXT STEP FOR THE SEVEN SHORT
10:48:47AM LISTED PROJECTS, THEY WILL ENTER A FEASIBILITY STUDY.
10:48:50AM WE WILL GO THROUGH A MORE DETAILED ANALYSIS AND ECONOMIC
10:48:53AM ANALYSIS TO GET -- TO PARE DOWN THE COSTS AND YIELDS A
10:48:57AM LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.
10:48:59AM AND THEN PROBABLY AFTER THESE PROJECTS GO THROUGH THE STUDY,
10:49:06AM AT LEAST TWO YEARS, WE WOULD ASK THE BOARD TO APPROVE A
10:49:12AM CONFIGURATION OF THE FUTURE, LIKE I SAID, FOR THE 2033 TIME
10:49:16AM FRAME.
10:49:16AM BUT ALONGSIDE THESE SEVEN PROJECTS, THESE STUDIES, WE WILL
10:49:22AM BE EVALUATING ALSO OTHER PROJECTS FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION.
10:49:25AM WE ARE CALLING THEM "DEVELOPMENT ALTERNATIVES."
10:49:28AM AND DEVELOPMENT ALTERNATIVES WERE INCLUDED IN OUR FIRST
10:49:32AM MASTER WATER PLAN WAY BACK IN 1996, BUT THEY ARE PROJECTS
10:49:36AM THAT REQUIRE A LONGER STUDY PERIOD, ADDITIONAL
10:49:39AM INVESTIGATION, OR THE NEED FOR REGULATIONS TO EVEN BE
10:49:43AM IMPLEMENTED FOR SOME OF THE TECHNOLOGY.
10:49:45AM THAT IS THE CASE WITH THE REUSE PROJECTS THAT USE RECLAIMED
10:49:50AM WATER, EITHER DIRECTLY ON INDIRECTLY TO BENEFIT DRINKING
10:49:55AM WATER SUPPLIES.
10:49:56AM WE KNOW THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND
10:49:59AM PINELLAS COUNTY HAVE EXCESS RECLAIMED WATER THAT CAN BE USED
10:50:02AM FOR EITHER THESE DIRECT OR INDIRECT REUSE PROJECTS IN THE
10:50:07AM FUTURE.
10:50:07AM WE HAVE BEGUN EXPLORING SOME OF THESE OPTIONS USING THE
10:50:11AM RECLAIMED WATER AND WE WILL BE PUTTING TOGETHER A TEAM TO
10:50:15AM WORK WITH YOUR STAFF LATER THIS FALL ON SOME CONCEPTS.
10:50:18AM THE DEVELOPMENT ALTERNATIVE PROGRAM WILL RUN CONCURRENT WITH
10:50:24AM OUR MASTER WATER PLAN FEASIBILITY STUDIES AND GIVE US TIME
10:50:29AM TO WORK WITH THE MEMBER GOVERNMENT TO DEFINE THE
10:50:32AM AVAILABILITY OF HOW MUCH RECLAIMED WATER SOURCES ARE OUT
10:50:35AM THERE, ASSESS THE RECLAIMED WATER QUALITY AND OTHER
10:50:39AM PARAMETERS.
10:50:40AM WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE PERMITTING AND THE REGULATORY
10:50:43AM FRAMEWORK BETTER, DO SOME PILOT WORK, AND TALK TO THE PUBLIC
10:50:47AM EXTENSIVELY.
10:50:48AM WHEN OR IF THE PROJECT CONCEPTS UNDER THIS PROGRAM BECOME
10:50:53AM CLEARLY DEFINED, THEY WILL BE CONSIDERED FOR FEASIBILITY
10:50:57AM STUDIES AS WELL.
10:50:58AM AND THEY WILL BECOME PART OF OUR WATER SUPPLY SELECTION
10:51:03AM PROCESS.
10:51:03AM NEXT STEPS.
10:51:06AM AS WE NEAR COMPLETION OF THE CURRENT LONG-TERM MASTER WATER
10:51:11AM PLAN, WE HAVE A FEW MORE THINGS TO DO.
10:51:12AM WE WILL BE COMPLETING OUR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IN SEPTEMBER.
10:51:15AM AND WE WILL HAVE A MEETING WITH OUR TECHNICAL,
10:51:19AM ENVIRONMENTAL, AND ECONOMIC AD HOC COMMITTEES THAT WE
10:51:22AM FORMED.
10:51:23AM WE ALSO HAVE GOING TO BE HAVING A TELEPHONE TOWN HALL
10:51:27AM MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 14.
10:51:28AM AND THEN ON SEPTEMBER 27, WE WILL PROVIDE THE DRAFT OF THAT
10:51:33AM MASTER WATER PLAN FOR OUR MEMBER GOVERNMENTS TO REVIEW.
10:51:35AM AND THEN AT OUR NOVEMBER BOARD, WE WILL BE ASKING OUR BOARD
10:51:40AM TO APPROVE THE UPDATED LONG-TERM MASTER WATER PLAN.
10:51:44AM AND THAT WILL MOVE THE SHORT-LISTED PROJECTS INTO THE
10:51:47AM FEASIBILITY STUDY.
10:51:48AM AND FINALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO FINISH BY HIGHLIGHTING SOME OF
10:51:53AM THE WATER QUALITY EFFORTS TAKING PLACE AT TAMPA BAY WATER.
10:51:58AM EACH YEAR OUR COMMUNICATION STAFF COORDINATES WITH YOUR
10:52:01AM WATER QUALITY STAFF ON THE ANNUAL CONSUMER CONFIDENCE
10:52:05AM REPORT, WHICH INCLUDES THE INFORMATION ON THE TESTING AND
10:52:08AM MONITORING OF DRINKING WATER.
10:52:10AM IN ADDITION, WE RECENTLY JUST COMPLETED A WATER QUALITY
10:52:14AM STUDY TO REMOVE TOTAL ORGANIC CARBON IN OUR REGIONAL SYSTEM.
10:52:19AM AND THAT WOULD ACTUALLY HELP THE MEMBERS PROVIDING THEM WITH
10:52:24AM GREATER CONTROL, OPERATIONAL CONTROL.
10:52:27AM BUT AN ADDITIONAL BENEFIT OF THE STUDY IS -- IT SETS UP A
10:52:33AM FRAMEWORK OF TREATING OTHER CONTAMINANTS OF CONCERN SUCH
10:52:39AM AS PFAS THAT YOU HEARD IN THE NEWS.
10:52:41AM THE SAME TREATMENT FOR THE REMOVAL OF THE TOTAL ORGANIC
10:52:45AM CARBON CAN BE USED FOR THE REMOVAL OF THE PFAS IF NEED BE.
10:52:50AM WE ARE WORKING WITH THE OTHER MEMBER GOVERNMENTS.
10:52:52AM AND WE BEGAN OUR TESTING FOR PFAS AS PART OF THE
10:52:58AM NATIONAL EPA STUDY THEY STARTED EARLIER THIS YEAR THAT RUNS
10:53:01AM FROM 2023.
10:53:02AM AND HAS TO BE DONE BY 2025 WITH THE TESTING.
10:53:05AM YOU TAKE A QUARTERLY SAMPLE, TESTING FOR THIS EVERY QUARTER
10:53:09AM APPEAR YEAR PROGRAM.
10:53:11AM I KNOW THE CITY OF TAMPA STARTED EARLIER THIS YEAR IN
10:53:14AM JANUARY.
10:53:14AM OTHER FIVE INCLUDING TAMPA BAY WATER, WE STARTED TESTING FOR
10:53:18AM THE COMPOUNDS IN JULY.
10:53:20AM AND SO IF TREATMENT IS NEEDED, WE WILL BE ABLE TO FIND OUT
10:53:24AM WHERE IT IS NEEDED IN THE SYSTEM AND USES THE SAME TREATMENT
10:53:27AM WE ARE WORKING ON NOW ON THE CARBON REMOVAL PROGRAM.
10:53:31AM AND I AM AT THE END HERE AND I AM VERY HAPPY TO TAKE ANY
10:53:38AM QUESTIONS AS YOU MAY HAVE THEM.
10:53:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILMEMBERS IN
10:53:42AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, THIS YOUR ITEM.
10:53:45AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS
10:53:47AM REPORT STRAIGHTFORWARD AS IT ALWAYS IS AND THANK YOU FOR
10:53:50AM BRINGING ONE OF YOUR RIGHT-HANDED PEOPLE WHO DOES ALL OF THE
10:53:54AM WORK.
10:53:54AM SITTING THERE CASUALLY AND TAKING NOTES OF EVERYTHING.
10:53:56AM THANK YOU ALL FOR WHAT YOU DO.
10:53:58AM IT IS A BIG AREA.
10:53:59AM IT IS A GROWING AREA.
10:54:00AM AND I THINK YOU ARE ALWAYS PLANNING FOR AT LEAST TEN YEARS
10:54:03AM AHEAD.
10:54:04AM AND IN WATER, YOU BETTER DO THAT, IF NOT, YOU WILL BE BEHIND
10:54:08AM THE 8-BALL.
10:54:10AM THINKING OF THE FUTURE AND THINKING OF EVERYTHING YOU CAN DO
10:54:13AM AND WHAT YOU TRY TO DO WREN YOU ARE THERE, IT IS A STEP
10:54:17AM FORWARD TO NEVER FALL BEHIND.
10:54:18AM ONCE DO YOU, YOU CAN'T CATCH UP.
10:54:19AM THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU GUYS DO.
10:54:23AM >>CHUCK CARDEN: THANK YOU.
10:54:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
10:54:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE A QUESTION AND MAYBE ASK CHARLIE
10:54:31AM MIRANDA ABOUT THIS, BUT IN OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTY SOUGHT
10:54:35AM WATER RESOURCES OUTSIDE OF THEIR AREA OR ACQUIRED LAND AND
10:54:37AM RESOURCES ELSEWHERE.
10:54:39AM A LOT OF UNDEVELOPED AREAS.
10:54:41AM WHY DON'T WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY -- I AM CURIOUS AND MAYBE
10:54:44AM MY IGNORANCE -- OF ACQUIRING WATER RIGHTS LIKE AROUND THE
10:54:53AM BIG BEND AREA AND OTHER AREAS OF FLORIDA WITH OUR WATER
10:54:57AM SUPPLY?
10:54:58AM >>CHUCK CARDEN: WELL, THERE IS A LONG HISTORY OF THAT GOES
10:55:03AM WAIVE BACK PRIOR TO 1998 WHY WE TURNED INTO TAMPA BAY WATER
10:55:07AM BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE ISSUES YOU DESCRIBED THERE AND SOME
10:55:10AM MEMBERS WERE BUYING LAND OUTSIDE OF THEIR JURISDICTIONS AND
10:55:13AM BRINGING IT BACK AND IT CAME WATER WARS.
10:55:17AM 1988, TURNED INTO TAMPA BAY WATER.
10:55:22AM AND GET OFF OF GROUNDWATER AND OTHER DEVELOPMENT ALTERNATIVE
10:55:26AM PROJECTS, RESERVOIR, SURFACE WATER TREATMENT PLANT, OTHER
10:55:29AM THINGS BUT DO IT LOCALLY FIRST BEFORE YOU START LOOKING
10:55:32AM OUTSIDE YOUR BOUNDARIES.
10:55:33AM EVENTUALLY THAT MAY BE FORMING PARTNERSHIPS TO OTHER AREAS
10:55:38AM OUTSIDE OF THE TAMPA BAY REGION.
10:55:39AM OTHER REGIONAL AUTHORITIES THAT SURROUND US THAT MAYBE WE
10:55:42AM CAN -- WE CAN CONNECT TO EACH OTHER AND TRY TO HELP EACH
10:55:45AM OTHER OUT.
10:55:45AM THAT IS HOW I SEE THE FUTURE LOOKING LIKE.
10:55:48AM IT IS GOING TO HAVE TO GET BIGGER AND EVERYONE WILL HAVE TO
10:55:52AM WORK TOGETHER.
10:55:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SHOULDN'T THAT BE ON THAT OPTION, YOU
10:55:55AM KNOW, THAT LITTLE LIST THAT YOU HAVE OF OPTIONS OF PREPARING
10:55:58AM FOR THE END OF THAT CHART WHEN WE HAVE THE MORE DIRE NEED OF
10:56:02AM ACQUIRING WATER RIGHTS SOMEWHERE ELSE OR PURCHASING IT NOW
10:56:06AM TO FUTURE-PROOF OUR WATER SUPPLY?
10:56:09AM >>CHUCK CARDEN: YES, WELL IT LOOKS OUT 20 YEARS.
10:56:12AM SO THERE IS -- STARTS OFF WITH OVER 100 CONCEPTS.
10:56:15AM SO THEY GET SCREENED AND THEY GET DOWN TO THE TOP SEVEN.
10:56:18AM THE OTHER -- THE THINGS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WERE IN THERE.
10:56:21AM THEY DIDN'T SCORE HIGH ENOUGH AT THIS TIME.
10:56:23AM BUT THERE IS A PROJECT THAT SHOWS NEW SURFACE WATER
10:56:27AM TREATMENT PLANT USING WATER FROM THE LITTLE MANATEE RIVER ON
10:56:31AM THAT LIST.
10:56:32AM THAT IS MOVING OUTSIDE OF OUR AREA WORKING DOWN PEACE RIVER,
10:56:37AM MANASOTA HAS A REGIONAL AUTHORITY.
10:56:38AM THEY USE THAT AREA.
10:56:40AM WE ARE GETTING THERE AND WE WILL PROBABLY NEED TO BE TALKING
10:56:43AM TO THEM ABOUT WORKING --
10:56:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK OF SO MUCH OF FLORIDA IS
10:56:48AM UNDEVELOPED AS WE MOVE NORTH.
10:56:50AM AND IT IS -- IT IS RICH IN WATER SUPPLY, I THINK.
10:56:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT'S THAT?
10:56:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HELLO.
10:56:59AM >>McLANE EVANS: GOOD AFTERNOON.
10:57:00AM McLANE EVANS, ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY.
10:57:04AM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN, FOR THE PURPOSES OF CLARITY FOR
10:57:08AM COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC.
10:57:09AM THE TERM "WATER RIGHTS" IS NOT A LEGAL CONCEPT IN THE STATE
10:57:14AM OF FLORIDA.
10:57:14AM IT'S A CONCEPT OUT WEST, WHERE THEY HAVE THE CONCEPT OF
10:57:19AM FIRST IN TIME, FIRST IN RIGHT.
10:57:21AM AND THEY CAN ACTUALLY SELL WATER RIGHTS.
10:57:23AM THAT IS NOT A LEGAL CONCEPT IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
10:57:28AM OUR -- THE GOVERNMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR FOSTERING AND
10:57:34AM MAINTAINING IT IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST.
10:57:35AM AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A SYSTEM WHERE WE HAVE TO GO FOR
10:57:38AM PERMITS AND THEY REBALANCE INTERESTS EVERY TIME NEW NEEDS
10:57:43AM COME UP, EXCUSE ME.
10:57:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT AND ALSO IN NEW
10:57:48AM YORK WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT LIKE THE CITY IS WATER AND EVEN
10:57:52AM ROCHESTER -- HOW THEY ARE ACQUIRED.
10:57:54AM AND THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT.
10:57:56AM INTERESTING.
10:57:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:57:58AM WHO IS SPEAKING?
10:58:08AM OKAY.
10:58:08AM YES, SIR.
10:58:10AM ANYTHING ELSE?
10:58:12AM YES, SIR?
10:58:13AM WE HAVE THE SIERRA CLUB NEXT.
10:58:14AM KEEP TALKING ABOUT WATER WELL.
10:58:17AM >>BILL CARLSON: HEY, CHUCK.
10:58:19AM SORRY I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE YOU WHEN YOU CAME IN.
10:58:21AM >>CHUCK CARDEN: A LITTLE GRAYER.
10:58:23AM >>BILL CARLSON: I -- SO I TALKED TO SOMEBODY ABOUT
10:58:27AM S.W.F.W.M.D. OF THE WATER WISE PROGRAM.
10:58:30AM AND I MADE A MOTION AT CRA AT MAYBE -- MAYBE PARTNERING WITH
10:58:34AM THEM.
10:58:34AM WE DID A BACK OF THE NAPKIN CALCULATION LOOKING AT APARTMENT
10:58:40AM COMPLEXES.
10:58:41AM SO THE APARTMENT COMPLETION OF 150 TO 200 UNITS.
10:58:45AM THEY HAVE REAL CASE WHERE IS THEY SAY 500,000 GALLON AS
10:58:49AM MONTH.
10:58:49AM IMMEDIATELY WITH THE WATER WISE AROUND COST LIKE $20,000 TO
10:58:53AM $25,000 EACH.
10:58:54AM WE DID BEHIND THE NAPKIN, WE FIGURED FOR $5 MILLION, WE SAVE
10:59:00AM MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE MILLION GALLONS A DAY IF WE DID 200
10:59:05AM APARTMENT COMPLEXES.
10:59:06AM DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY YOU ARE PUTTING IN FROM TAMPA BAY
10:59:09AM WATER TO THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR WATER WISE RIGHT NOW?
10:59:11AM AND IF WE PUT MORE MONEY IN, OUR STAFF IS LOOKING AT IN
10:59:15AM THROUGH THE CRA, IF WE PUT MORE MONEY IN, CAN WE ACCELERATE
10:59:19AM OUR SAVINGS PROGRAM?
10:59:21AM >>CHUCK CARDEN: THAT IS WHAT ASIDE IN MY NOTES FOCUSING ON
10:59:25AM THE COMMERCIAL SECTOR WHERE THERE IS A LOT OF POTENTIAL.
10:59:28AM WE HAVE A GOAL OF FOUR MILLION GALLONS OF DAY BY 20 3.
10:59:32AM OFF TO A SLOW START.
10:59:34AM STARTED WHEN THE PANDEMIC HIT.
10:59:36AM CLOSE TO 200,000 GALLONS SAVE THE DAY.
10:59:40AM MOST OF CITY OF TAMPA IS 59% OF THAT SAVINGS.
10:59:43AM WE ARE RECEIVING THE BEST SAVINGS FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:59:46AM SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE WILL BE LOOKING AT.
10:59:48AM WE HAVE HIRED DIFFERENT FOLKS, MARKETING TEAMS TO GET OUT
10:59:53AM THERE AND SPREAD THE WORD AND ALSO WE ARE REALLY FOCUSING ON
10:59:56AM THE COMMERCIAL SECTOR TO SEE THE BENEFIT -- THE GREATEST
11:00:01AM BENEFIT FOR THE LEAST AMOUNT OF MONEY WE WOULD OUTLAY.
11:00:05AM >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBERS FOR THE
11:00:08AM CITY, FOUR OR FIVE MGD FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA, IF WE CAN SAVE
11:00:12AM IT NOW THROUGH APARTMENTS.
11:00:13AM ALSO, AVERAGE -- WHAT ARE WE BUYING FROM YOU ALL.
11:00:17AM THREE OR FOUR MGD?
11:00:20AM >>CHUCK CARDEN: OVER THE LIFETIME FROM '98, PROBABLY
11:00:25AM FOUR MGD OR SO.
11:00:26AM SOME YEARS HAVE BEEN HIGH.
11:00:28AM THIS YEAR SIX MGD YOU PURCHASED FROM US.
11:00:33AM >>BILL CARLSON: FOLKS TALK ABOUT HOW TO PALS ON THIS COST.
11:00:36AM BUT IF WORKING WITH YOU TO SAVE AND STARTING WITH AT THAT
11:00:38AM BIG APARTMENT COMPLEX WHERE WE CAN HIT THEM FASTER, WE CAN
11:00:41AM POTENTIALLY NOT HAVE TO BUY ANYTHING BY CONSERVING AND
11:00:45AM PARTNERING WITH YOU.
11:00:46AM >>CHUCK CARDEN: THE CHEAPEST PROJECTS TO BUILD ARE THE ONES
11:00:50AM YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUILD.
11:00:51AM >>BILL CARLSON: AN ISSUE CAME UP A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO OF
11:00:54AM MAXIMUM SUPPLY.
11:00:55AM WHAT WAS IT, EIGHT OR TEN YEARS AGO, HAD TO BUY 42 MGD.
11:01:02AM DO YOU REMEMBER HOW THAT HAPPENED AND HOW SUPPLY BY
11:01:06AM CONTRACT, YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO PROVIDE THAT TO US BUT
11:01:09AM KNOWING THAT WE NEED IT FOR THREE OR FOUR DAYS, YOU DID IT
11:01:13AM ANYWAY.
11:01:13AM >>CHUCK CARDEN: OF THE COURSE OF MY CAREER, ANY TIME CITY OF
11:01:19AM TAMPA NEEDED WATER, WE WERE THERE.
11:01:20AM IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT.
11:01:21AM WITH YOUR MEMBERSHIP.
11:01:22AM YOU HAVE EXCLUSIVE TEE.
11:01:26AM UP TO 82 MGD ON THE RIVER.
11:01:30AM AT THAT POINT, TAMPA BAY WATER WILL MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE
11:01:35AM WATER FOR YOU.
11:01:36AM YOU ARE AT 82.
11:01:37AM BOUGHT THE WATER IN VERY HIGH YEARS.
11:01:39AM ONE YEAR YOU WITHOUT 16 MILLION GALLON AS DAY FROM US.
11:01:42AM STAND WE SUPPLY THAT TO YOU FROM ANOTHER WAY OF GETTING YOU
11:01:46AM WATER.
11:01:46AM YOU HAVE A CONNECTION TO US AT YOUR OLD WELLFIELD.
11:01:49AM MORRIS BRIDGE WELLFIELD DOWN THE ROAD FROM IT.
11:01:52AM WHEN YOU DO ASK FOR WATER.
11:01:54AM WE GET YOU THE WATER.
11:01:56AM AND IT GOES THROUGH THAT CONNECTION AND BLENDS WITH YOU.
11:01:58AM WE COULDN'T SUPPLY ALL 8 IF YOU LOST YOUR WATER SURFACE
11:02:03AM TREATMENT PLANT, I CAN TELL YOU THAT.
11:02:04AM BUT WE WILL MAKE ALL EFFORT TO GET YOU THE WATER.
11:02:08AM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU THINK THE MAXIMUM WAS 16.
11:02:10AM >>CHUCK CARDEN: OVER A YEAR'S AVERAGE.
11:02:12AM EVERY GIVEN DAY 40, 45 MGD.
11:02:15AM >>BILL CARLSON: OKAY.
11:02:16AM AND I THINK YOU ALL ARE TRYING TO CONNECT US TO THE -- TO
11:02:19AM THE MAIN REGIONAL PIPELINE INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH THE
11:02:22AM MORRIS BRIDGE CONNECT.
11:02:23AM IS THAT --
11:02:24AM >>CHUCK CARDEN: JUST MOVING WHERE ON THE MAIN PIPELINE --
11:02:28AM WHERE WE CONNECT -- WHERE CITY OF TAMPA CONNECTS IS WHERE
11:02:32AM THE WELLFIELD WATERS ARE COMING IN.
11:02:34AM IF WE MOVED IT FURTHER DOWN, IT WOULD -- YOU KNOW, YOU
11:02:38AM WOULDN'T GET THAT WATER INJECTED.
11:02:41AM YOU WOULD USE MORE OF OUR SURFACE WATER TREATMENT PLANNED.
11:02:45AM >>BILL CARLSON: AN ISSUE IN NEW TAMPA WHERE IT CONNECTED
11:02:48AM BECAUSE SURFACE WATER MIXED WITH GROUNDWATER AND CHLORAMINES
11:02:53AM AND CLOUDY MIXES.
11:02:56AM AND YOU WERE WORKING WITH THAT WITH CHUCK WEBER.
11:02:59AM IS THAT FIXED NOW?
11:03:01AM >>CHUCK CARDEN: AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED, HEARING, TALKING
11:03:03AM WITH WITH THE STAFF, EVERYTHING IS GREAT.
11:03:05AM THAT WAS SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
11:03:07AM AND WE WORKED IT OUT.
11:03:08AM NOW WHEN YOU BUY WATER, WE HAVE A VERY WELL PROCESSED
11:03:13AM PROCEDURE.
11:03:13AM VERY ORDERLY.
11:03:14AM AND I HAVEN'T HAD ANY COMPLAINTS IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS
11:03:18AM OF THE WATER.
11:03:19AM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU MENTIONED THE WHOLE SALE RATE THAT YOU
11:03:22AM CHARGE YOUR MEMBERS.
11:03:23AM 238 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
11:03:27AM >>CHUCK CARDEN: CURRENTLY A LITTLE UNDER 258.
11:03:30AM AND IN A MONTH, OUR NEW FISCAL YEAR UP $2.60.
11:03:36AM >>BILL CARLSON: DO YOU KNOW -- LET'S SAY IF YOU CHARGED US
11:03:38AM $2.58, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA -- I WON'T HOLD YOU TO THIS.
11:03:42AM JUST A GUESS AT THIS MAT.
11:03:46AM HOW MUCH OUR MGD FROM OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY, DO
11:03:51AM YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THAT WATER IS WORTH IF WE COULD SELL IT.
11:03:54AM I HEARD NUMBER $1.25 PER GALLON.
11:03:58AM IS THAT IN THE BALLPARK.
11:03:59AM IT STILL WOULD NEED TO BE TREATED MORE.
11:04:02AM >>CHUCK CARDEN: WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A LITTLE MORE STUDY.
11:04:04AM EACH OF THE CITIES AND COUNTIES, THEY HAVE NUMBERS OF WHAT
11:04:07AM THEY COST THEM TO DO THE WORK TO IT.
11:04:10AM BUT THE ADDITIONAL WORK WILL BE ADDED TO THAT.
11:04:13AM AND SO THAT SOUNDS REASONABLE.
11:04:15AM WE TRIED DISCUSSIONS WITH THE MEMBERS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT
11:04:18AM WHAT THE RATE IS THAT YOU SAID.
11:04:20AM AND IT IS KIND OF ALL OVER THE PLACE.
11:04:22AM A LOT OF -- A LOT OF THEM ARE LESS THAN $1.
11:04:26AM BUT BETWEEN $.50 AND $1.
11:04:32AM >>BILL CARLSON: BALLPARK.
11:04:33AM SELL THE WATER $1.25 OR SOMETHING PER 1,000 GALLONS AND BUY
11:04:38AM BACK ONLY WHAT WE NEEDED FOR $2 .58.
11:04:41AM WE NEED ON AVERAGE FOUR MGD AND SELLING 50.
11:04:46AM IN AN IDEAL WORLD, WE CAN MAKE A PROFIT IN THE NEXT 10 TO 20
11:04:53AM YEAR.
11:04:53AM >>CHUCK CARDEN: A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS AND STARTING TALKS WITH
11:04:56AM THE CITY.
11:04:57AM I THINK WE ARE IN A LONG WAY TO GET THAT PROJECT THAT ABOUT
11:04:59AM TALKING OF USING YOUR RECLAIMED WATER GOING.
11:05:02AM WE -- YOU KNOW, A LOT OF DISCUSSION HAS TO TAKE PLACE.
11:05:05AM YOU KNOW WE ARE LOOKING INTO PROBABLY THE 2030s THAT WE WILL
11:05:10AM PROBABLY HAVE SOME NEED TO USE THAT WATER.
11:05:12AM >>BILL CARLSON: LET'S SAY TAMPA HAD TO BUILD WHATEVER
11:05:14AM FACILITY THAT COST $50 MILLION.
11:05:16AM IF TAMPA TOOK THAT ON, WE WOULD TAKE ON THE DEBT.
11:05:20AM WE WOULD PAY THE INTEREST AND SPREAD IT OUT TO THE RATE
11:05:24AM PAYERS.
11:05:25AM TAMPA BAY WATER TOOK ON A PROJECT $50 MILLION, WHAT
11:05:28AM PERCENTAGE IN THEORY WOULD THE TAMPA RATEPAYERS HAVE TO PAY.
11:05:32AM >>CHUCK CARDEN: WOULD YOU PAY WHATEVER PERCENTAGE OF THE
11:05:35AM WATER YOU TAKE FROM US.
11:05:36AM >>BILL CARLSON: WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO TAKE ON ANY DEBT.
11:05:38AM WE WOULDN'T -- WE MIGHT -- AS PART OF TAMPA BAY WATER, WE
11:05:42AM MIGHT, IN THEORY, OWN 1/6 OF THE DEBT BUT DON'T HAVE TO TAKE
11:05:48AM ALL THE DEBT OURSELVES AND WE WOULD JUST BUY WHATEVER WE
11:05:51AM NEED.
11:05:52AM >>CHUCK CARDEN: YES, SIR.
11:05:53AM >>BILL CARLSON: BY GETTING TAMPA BAY WATER, NOT ONLY WORKING
11:05:57AM COOPERATIVELY BUT SAVE DEBT FOR OUR RATE PAYERS AND SAVE A
11:06:01AM LOT OF MONEY.
11:06:02AM IS THAT ACCURATE?
11:06:04AM >>CHUCK CARDEN: YES.
11:06:04AM TAKING US BACK TO '98.
11:06:07AM THE CITY MADE A DECISION.
11:06:09AM WHETHER THEY WANTED TO BE AN AUTHORITY OR NOT.
11:06:12AM THEY MADE THE DECISION TO STAY IN.
11:06:15AM BUT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A PERIOD OF TIME DOWN THE ROAD
11:06:17AM WHERE YOU WOULD BE UP TO YOUR 82 MILLION GALLON LIMIT AND
11:06:23AM YOU WOULDN'T BE BUYING WATER FROM TAMPA BAY WATER.
11:06:25AM THAT WAS THE PLAN ALL THE LONG TO BE THE REGIONAL WATER
11:06:28AM SUPPLIER TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:06:29AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WON'T ASK YOU TO ANSWER THAT.
11:06:31AM BUT I WILL MAKE A STATEMENT.
11:06:33AM THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN DICK GRECO AND ED TURANCHIK CHAIR OF
11:06:38AM THE TAMPA BAY WATER.
11:06:39AM ED'S VERSION OF IT IS HE ASKED DICK GRECO WHAT TO YOU THINK.
11:06:43AM KEEP IT OR HAND IT TO US.
11:06:45AM DICK SAID WE WILL JUST KEEP IT.
11:06:47AM IT WASN'T LIKE SOME BIG THING THAT WAS PRESENTED SOMETIMES
11:06:50AM IN THE PAST AS A MANDATE FOR TAMPA TO OWN ITS OWN
11:06:52AM FACILITIES.
11:06:53AM BUT AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, AS THEY CREATED IT, IT WAS LIKE AN
11:06:57AM ARBITRARY DECISION.
11:06:59AM LAST THING.
11:07:00AM CAN YOU JUST TELL US IN THE NATION AND IN THE WORLD, HOW
11:07:03AM UNIQUE IS TAMPA BAY WATER AS A COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT AND HOW
11:07:08AM IMPORTANT IT IS AS A CASE STUDY OF REGIONAL COOPERATION?
11:07:14AM >>CHUCK CARDEN: LOCALLY HERE, WE ARE ALWAYS LAUDED AS A REAL
11:07:18AM SUCCESSFUL REGIONAL SOLUTION.
11:07:20AM I KNOW OTHER ISSUES GOING ON WITH TRANSPORTATION AND OTHER
11:07:23AM ISSUES.
11:07:24AM WE WERE A GREAT SUCCESS.
11:07:25AM WE ARE THE -- PRETTY MUCH OF THE FEW OR ONLY UTILITIES THAT
11:07:29AM USES THREE SOURCES OF DIFFERENT WATER.
11:07:31AM DIFFERENT BLENDS.
11:07:32AM SURFACE WATER, THE GROUNDWATER, AND THEN THE RIVER WATER IN
11:07:37AM THE DESAL PLANT.
11:07:38AM ALL IS A BLEND.
11:07:40AM THAT IS VERY UNIQUE.
11:07:41AM YOU DON'T HAVE ALL YOUR EGGS IN THE SAME BASKET.
11:07:44AM WE CAN KEEP THE RATE AFFORDABLE BECAUSE THE BLENDS ARE
11:07:48AM DIFFERENT.
11:07:48AM DESAL IS MOST COSTLY, WATER, SURFACE WATER IS THE NEXT AND
11:07:53AM GROUNDWATER IS THE CHEAPEST.
11:07:54AM YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR ENVIRONMENT BACK IN THE
11:07:56AM EARLY -- LATE '90s.
11:07:59AM TOAD TAKE CARE OF IT REDUCE GROUNDWATER.
11:08:02AM AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING OTHER THAN GROUNDWATER.
11:08:06AM APPEAR 06/40 SPLIT.
11:08:09AM THEY ALL WORK TOGETHER.
11:08:10AM DIFFERENT TIMES OF YEAR WE RELY ON A DIFFERENT SOURCE MORE
11:08:13AM THAN OTHER TIMES OF YEAR.
11:08:14AM SO WE ARE IN VERY GOOD SHAPE WHEN IT COMES TO BEING DIVERSE
11:08:18AM AND FLEXIBLE AND VERY RELIABLE.
11:08:20AM WE DON'T HAVE EVERYTHING ON ONE SOURCE AND THE COST CAN BE
11:08:25AM BLENDED SO THAT IT IS REASONABLE.
11:08:27AM SO ITS -- IT IS ONE OF THE BEST SUCCESSFUL REGIONAL
11:08:32AM SOLUTIONS I HAVE EVER BEEN A PART OF.
11:08:36AM THE ONLY THING I HAVE BEEN A PART OF.
11:08:38AM BUT IT IS REALLY SUCCESSFUL.
11:08:40AM WE JUST CELEBRATED OUR 25th YEAR ON JUNE 10 AND WE WILL BE
11:08:44AM DOING A LITTLE CELEBRATION IN MID SEPTEMBER.
11:08:46AM BRINGING BACK SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT PUT TAMPA BAY WATER
11:08:50AM TOGETHER TO CELEBRATE THIS -- THIS MILESTONE.
11:08:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:08:57AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
11:08:59AM YOU YOU TALK OF WATER, TWO THINGS.
11:09:01AM REMINDS ME OF A GAS PUMP.
11:09:03AM YOU CAN BUY THIS GRADE, BUY THAT GRADE OR THE PREMIUM GRADE.
11:09:06AM AND RECLAIMED WATER, YOU CAN BUY THIS GRADE, THIS GRADE OR
11:09:10AM THE PREMIUM GRADE, BASED ON THE QUALITY OF TREATMENT THAT
11:09:13AM YOU ARE RECEIVING ON THE RECLAIMED WATER.
11:09:15AM THAT IS NUMBER ONE.
11:09:16AM NUMBER TWO IS THE COST OF TRANSPORTATION OF THAT WATER.
11:09:20AM WHERE IS IT COMING FROM, AND HOW IS IT GOING TO BE
11:09:24AM DISTRIBUTED TO THE BEST PORTIONS TO HAVE THE BEST COST.
11:09:29AM EVERY WATER IS NOT THE SAME.
11:09:30AM YOU MENTION THAT WHEN THE THREE DIFFERENT KINDS OF WATER AND
11:09:35AM COST OF TRANSPORTATION IS DIFFERENT.
11:09:36AM IN MY BOOK WHEN YOU SIT DOWN AND LISTEN AND HAVE A
11:09:40AM CONVERSATION OF RECLAIMED WATER, WHAT QUANTITY DO YOU HAVE
11:09:43AM AND HOW FAR TO TRANSPORT TO COME UP WITH A PRICE.
11:09:46AM YOU HAVE A CRE CLAIMED SITUATION RIGHT NEXT TO ONE OF YOUR
11:09:50AM PLANTS, MUCH EASIER ON THE TRANSPORTATION COSTS AND
11:09:53AM QUALITIES AND OTHER THINGS.
11:09:54AM THE QUALITY OF EVERY GOVERNMENT IS DIFFERENT, BUT IT WORKS.
11:09:57AM SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS, THE QUALITY OF RECLAIMED WATER IS
11:10:03AM DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU WANT TO BUY.
11:10:04AM LIKE ANYTHING ELSE IN LIFE.
11:10:06AM YOU WANT APPEAR $10, YOU GO TO $10.
11:10:11AM $50 TIE.
11:10:16AM YOU GO SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE BIG MALL.
11:10:18AM YOU WANT TO PAY FOR IT, THAT IS WONDERFUL.
11:10:20AM THE COST OF THE PRODUCT IS BASED ON THE VALUE OF THE PRODUCT
11:10:23AM AT THE TIME YOU ARE SELLING.
11:10:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:10:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
11:10:29AM IF YOU GO BACK A COUPLE OF SLIDES.
11:10:31AM THE LAST SLIDE, ONE MORE.
11:10:36AM THESE ARE OUR NEXT STEPS.
11:10:37AM >>CHUCK CARDEN: I CAN'T -- OKAY, THERE YOU GO.
11:10:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE NEXT STEPS TO CONSIDER WHAT YOU WANT TO
11:10:44AM DO.
11:10:44AM BUT IF YOU GO BACK A FEW MORE SLIDES, WE -- RIGHT THERE.
11:10:50AM ACTUALLY.
11:10:51AM THANK YOU.
11:10:52AM WE -- RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONCEPTS, BUT YET YOU ARE
11:10:57AM GOING TO DETERMINE THEM BY SEPTEMBER?
11:10:59AM >>CHUCK CARDEN: NO.
11:10:59AM LET ME CLARIFY.
11:11:00AM WE HAVE WHAT IS CALLED THE "MASTER WATER PLAN," IT IS OUR
11:11:05AM PLANNING DOCUMENT WHERE WE LOOK AT OPTIONS AND CONCEPTS.
11:11:09AM THEM GET GRADED DOWN TO THE SHORT LIST AND YOUR SEVEN THAT I
11:11:13AM SHOWED YOU EARLIER.
11:11:14AM SEVEN PROJECTS IN THE MASTER WATER PLAN TO BE FUTURE WATER
11:11:18AM SUPPLY PROJECTS.
11:11:19AM THE PARALLEL PROCESS THAT IS INCLUDED INSIDE THE MASTER
11:11:23AM WATER PLAN IS CALLED THE DEVELOPMENT ALTERNATIVES.
11:11:26AM THOSE ARE PROJECTS THAT -- THAT A LOT OF -- A LOT MORE
11:11:30AM INFORMATION NEEDS TO BE GATHERED ON THEM.
11:11:32AM A LOT MORE PUBLIC WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
11:11:35AM PILOT STUDIES.
11:11:36AM THE TECHNOLOGY MAY NOT EVEN BE REGULATED WHICH IS THE CASE
11:11:42AM OF THE REUSE PROJECTS.
11:11:43AM IT IS NOT PERMITTED RIGHT NOW IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
11:11:45AM SO IT IS A PARALLEL PROCESS THAT IS GOING TO RUN AT THE SAME
11:11:51AM TIME WITH THE SEVEN SHORT LISTED PROJECTS, THESE DEVELOPMENT
11:11:55AM ALTERNATIVES USING REUSE.
11:11:56AM THE WE ARE GOING TO WORK WITH THE MEMBER GOVERNMENTS TO SEE
11:11:59AM WHAT CAN WE TO DO DEVELOP THOSE INTO A CONCEPT INTO THE
11:12:03AM FUTURE.
11:12:04AM SO IT IS NOT ON THE SAME TIME FRAME.
11:12:07AM WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A TIME FRAME FOR THE DEVELOPMENT
11:12:10AM ALTERNATIVES.
11:12:10AM WHEN THEY WILL TURN INTO A CONCEPT, THEY WILL EVENTUALLY
11:12:15AM BECOME A PROJECT THAT WILL GO INTO FEASIBILITY AND THEN THE
11:12:18AM BOARD WILL VOTE FOR THAT.
11:12:18AM I WOULD VENTURE IT WOULD BE WELL INTO THE 2030s WITH THE
11:12:23AM DEVELOPMENT ALTERNATIVE PROJECTS.
11:12:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
11:12:25AM AND, AGAIN, JUST TO CLARIFY FOR THE PUBLIC.
11:12:28AM POTABLE REUSE IS REUSING WASTEWATER.
11:12:32AM CORRECT?
11:12:35AM >>CHUCK CARDEN: TREATED TO DRINKING WATER STANDARDS, BUT
11:12:38AM THERE IS -- THERE IS --
11:12:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK: AGAIN, I WANTED PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE
11:12:43AM AT LEAST THE CITY OF TAMPA IS VERY CLEAR.
11:12:45AM THEY DO NOT WANT TO USE THAT TECHNOLOGY IN THIS CITY.
11:12:48AM SO IF THE CITY APPROVES IT, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THE
11:12:53AM COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC HAVE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT IS NOT
11:12:57AM ACCEPTABLE.
11:12:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
11:13:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS ABSOLUTE.
11:13:04AM IF WE WERE TALKING OF REVERSE OSMOSIS THAT WILL BE TOTALLY
11:13:11AM DIFFERENT -- OTHER TYPES OF TECHNOLOGY WHEN YOU COMPLETELY
11:13:13AM PURIFY WATER --
11:13:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU ARE WELCOME TO TALK TO THE YOU CAN WILL I
11:13:17AM CAN ABOUT THAT .
11:13:18AM BUT EVERY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC I SPOKE TO SAYS NOPE.
11:13:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOBODY HAS AN APPETITE TO DO WHAT WAS
11:13:27AM PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED.
11:13:28AM THAT IS RIDICULOUS, I AGREE.
11:13:30AM BUT I THINK THERE ARE OPTIONS, TECHNOLOGY OPTIONS FOR
11:13:33AM REMOVING.
11:13:34AM REVERSE OSMOSIS, YOU CREATE A 100% PURE -- YOU CAN SAKE SOME
11:13:44AM PRETTY GROADY.
11:13:45AM WHAT THE ASTRONAUTS ARE DRINKING.
11:13:47AM I THINK -- I THINK THERE IS OPPORTUNITY THERE.
11:13:49AM I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS AN ABSOLUTE.
11:13:52AM HOW MUCH WE ARE WILLING TO SPEND.
11:13:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU WEREN'T THERE FOR THE E-MAILS.
11:13:58AM IF YOU THINK THE BUDGET E-MAILS ARE SOMETHING.
11:14:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I KNOW.
11:14:01AM I WAS ONE OF THE ONES SENDING THE E-MAILS.
11:14:04AM [LAUGHTER]
11:14:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
11:14:07AM WE -- HOLD ON.
11:14:09AM ANYTHING ELSE?
11:14:12AM ALL RIGHT.
11:14:12AM ANYBODY HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
11:14:14AM MR. ROBINSON.
11:14:16AM >> I WILL BE HERE FOR AT THAT WHILE.
11:14:17AM I AM LOCKED IN.
11:14:18AM I GOT NOTHING ELSE TO DO, MAN.
11:14:20AM HITTING A GOLF BALL.
11:14:22AM JOE ROBINSON, LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER.
11:14:26AM SERVED ON S.W.F.W.M.D. NORTHWEST AND HILLSBOROUGH BASIN
11:14:31AM BOARDS FROM 2001 TO 2009.
11:14:35AM SO A KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WATER LIKE CHARLIE DO.
11:14:40AM RIGHT, CHARLIE?
11:14:42AM I THINK CHARLIE HAS BEEN A GOOD STEWARD FOR THE CITY EVEN
11:14:45AM THOUGH THE MAYOR HAS A RIGHT TO SIT ON IT.
11:14:47AM EVERYBODY HAS DEDICATED CHARLIE TO TAKE CARE -- CHARLIE IS
11:14:51AM THE MAN WITH WATER PERIOD.
11:14:53AM LET ME LET YOU UNDERSTAND SOMETHING.
11:14:56AM I WAS AROUND WITH THE WATER WARS.
11:14:58AM MY CLASSMATE WAS THE ATTORNEY REPRESENTING ALL THAT TO
11:15:03AM RESOLVE IT.
11:15:03AM DID A GREAT JOB.
11:15:05AM ERIC DELAPART.
11:15:07AM CLASS OF '92, TAMPA CATHOLIC NOW.
11:15:10AM HERE IS THE DEAL.
11:15:12AM WHEN I DRIVE HERE, FLOWS SET FOR THE RIVER TO KEEP
11:15:18AM ENVIRONMENTAL FISHING ALL RIGHT.
11:15:19AM YOU HAVE A PROBLEM AT THAT RIVER.
11:15:21AM YOU PROBABLY WILL BE BUYING WATER TAMPA BAY WATER AND CAN'T
11:15:25AM DRAW DOWN BALLS YOU NEED TO KEEP THE MINIMUM FLOWS.
11:15:28AM I WAS THERE WHEN WE SET MINIMUM FLOWS ON ALL THE RIVERS.
11:15:32AM LAKE LEVELS TO INCREASE AND RAISE THEM UP.
11:15:38AM TO MAKE SURE THE LAKE IN SOUTH TAMPA THAT HAS SO MUCH SILT
11:15:41AM IN IT, IT OVERFLOWS.
11:15:43AM DON'T GET ME STARTED WITH WHAT I KNOW.
11:15:45AM I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THIS, YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO CHARLIE.
11:15:50AM ALTERNATIVE WAYS.
11:15:51AM THEY WILL TALK OF ALTERNATIVE WAYS OF TREATING WATER,
11:15:54AM WASTEWATER.
11:15:54AM THEY ARE LOOKING AT THE PROCESS TO TREAT WASTEWATER THAT
11:15:58AM WILL TREAT DRINKING WATER, SURFACE WATER.
11:16:00AM BE CAREFUL.
11:16:01AM WATER IS WATER.
11:16:02AM IT JUST DEPENDS WHERE IT COMES FROM, HOW IT COMES FROM, HOW
11:16:06AM YOU DEAL WITH IT.
11:16:07AM IT IS A NATURAL RESOURCE.
11:16:08AM WHEN YOU START PUMPING IN THE GROUND IN SOUTH COUNTY, YOU
11:16:12AM KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN, THE BAY BRINGS ALL THE SALT INTO THE
11:16:16AM WELL AND NOW YOUR WELLS ARE CONTAMINATED WITH SALT WATER.
11:16:20AM IT IS CALLED SALT WATER INTRUSION.
11:16:22AM CALLED SOUTHERN WATER CAUTIONARY AREA IN SOUTH COUNTY.
11:16:27AM THAT IS WHY THEY WANT TO PUT WATER IN THE WELLS DOWN THERE
11:16:30AM TO KEEP THAT FROM OCCURRING.
11:16:32AM BECAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST KEEP PUMPING OUT OF FLORIDA'S AQUIFER
11:16:37AM WITHOUT HAVING TO PUT THE WATER IN THE BAY OR SALT WATER
11:16:42AM INTRUSION.
11:16:43AM I HAVE BEEN THERE.
11:16:43AM DONE THAT.
11:16:44AM I AM LIKE CHARLIE.
11:16:47AM I TOO I TO BE QUIET, BUT I NEED TO STAND UP FOR MOVING THE
11:16:51AM PROCESS FORWARD AND LET THE PROFESSIONALS, LET THE SCIENCE
11:16:55AM WORK FOR YOU.
11:16:55AM AND THE POLITICS, COME ON, NOW.
11:16:59AM YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON.
11:17:01AM DON'T COME UP WITH THAT POLITICS.
11:17:03AM BECAUSE YOU WILL BE SHUT DOWN WITH SCIENCE AND GOOD
11:17:06AM ENGINEERING.
11:17:06AM UNTIL WE SEE GOOD SCIENCE AND GOOD ENGINEERING, IT IS STILL
11:17:11AM LIKE THAT MAN SAID, A POTENTIAL STUDY.
11:17:14AM A POTENTIAL FUTURE LOOK.
11:17:16AM A POTENTIAL WHATEVER.
11:17:17AM THE SCIENCE IS NOT DONE YET AND THE STUDY IS NOT COMPLETED
11:17:23AM YET.
11:17:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU NEED ME TO CALL IN A FAVOR AND GET YOU
11:17:27AM A TEE TIME AT ROGER'S.
11:17:30AM >> I CAN DO THAT ANY TIME.
11:17:32AM THANK YOU, MR. CLENDENIN.
11:17:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT?
11:17:35AM OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:17:36AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO THANK TAMPA BAY WATER FOR
11:17:38AM COMING AND DOING AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION.
11:17:41AM ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:17:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE WILL DO ITEMS 4, 5 AND 6, AND THEN GO
11:17:47AM TO LUNCH.
11:17:48AM ITEM 4.
11:17:49AM WHO HEAR IS GOING TO PRESENT ON THAT?
11:17:54AM WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE SIERRA CLUB.
11:17:57AM OR MR. BAIRD, YOU WANT TO START IT OFF.
11:18:02AM >>BRAD BAIRD: TALKING OF ITEM NUMBER 4.
11:18:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
11:18:06AM >>BRAD BAIRD: BRAD BAIRD, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF
11:18:10AM INFRASTRUCTURE AND I WILL KICK IT OFF AND GO FROM THERE.
11:18:12AM A MOTION FROM CITY STAFF AND REPRESENTATIVE FROM SIERRA CLUB
11:18:16AM TO REPORT ON HOW THE CITY CAN MODIFY SB64 64 AND REGARDING
11:18:25AM WASTEWATER -- WASTEWATER REUSE.
11:18:28AM THE -- WE SUBMITTED A MEMO.
11:18:31AM WE ALSO ATTACHED A MEMO FROM TAMPA BAY ESTUARY PROGRAM.
11:18:37AM I BELIEVE THEY ARE HERE TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT AS WELL.
11:18:39AM THE STATE LAW REFERRED TO AS "SENATE BILL 64" WAS PASSED BY
11:18:45AM UNANIMOUS VOTE IN BOTH HOUSE OF COURSE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE
11:18:49AM IN 2021.
11:18:50AM IT BECAME LAW ALSO IN 2021.
11:18:54AM THE LEGISLATURE'S STATED PURPOSE FOR THE BILL TO HAVE
11:18:59AM SUSTAINABLE WATER SUPPLY TO MEET FLORIDA'S FUTURE WATER
11:19:02AM NEEDS.
11:19:02AM 1670 UTILITIES, TAMPA INCLUDED, HAVE SUBMITTED THEIR PLAN TO
11:19:08AM COMPLY WITH THE LAW.
11:19:09AM AT THIS TIME, THE CITY OF TAMPA DOES NOT SUPPORT AMENDING
11:19:18AM SENATE BILL 64.
11:19:19AM BROAD SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS NUTRIENT LATENT SERVICES WATER IS
11:19:27AM DETRIMENTAL TO THE HEALTH OF HILLSBOROUGH BAY.
11:19:30AM IN PARTICULAR, THE DISCHARGE OF NITROGEN AND PHOSPHOROUS.
11:19:36AM WE ARE CURRENTLY DISCHARGING 360 TONS OF NITROGEN AND
11:19:44AM PHOSPHOROUS IN TAMPA BAY A YEAR.
11:19:45AM THIS VIEW IS SHARED BY TAMPA BAY ESTUARY PROGRAM AS OUTLINED
11:19:51AM IN THE ATTACHED LETTER THAT WE PROVIDED THROUGH THE SIRE
11:19:56AM PROCESS.
11:19:57AM THIS INCLUDES QUESTIONS AND REAL CONCERNS ABOUT WHETHER --
11:20:03AM CONTINUING SURFACE WATER RESOURCES HAVE ON ECOLOGICAL
11:20:08AM BENEFIT, EXCUSE ME.
11:20:09AM AND THAT ANY ASSERTIONS IN THIS REGARD SHOULD BE
11:20:14AM PEER-REVIEWED BY EXPERTS BEFORE SERVING AS A BASIS OF
11:20:18AM LEGISLATIVE OR CHANGES TO SENATE BILL 64.
11:20:23AM FINALLY, THE LAW CURRENTLY PROVIDES THE CITY OF TAMPA WITH
11:20:29AM THE FLEXIBILITY IT NEEDS TO IDENTIFY ALTERNATIVES TO SURFACE
11:20:34AM WATER DISCHARGES THAT WOULD BRING THE CITY INTO COMPLIANCE
11:20:37AM WITH STATE LAW.
11:20:38AM INCLUDING AS YOU HEARD EARLIER FROM MR. CARDEN BY WORK WITH
11:20:48AM TAMPA BAY WATER.
11:20:49AM WITH THAT, I WILL ASK IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR WE CAN
11:20:53AM CONTINUE ON WITH THE WORKSHOP.
11:20:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
11:20:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM JUST GOING TO SAY I DISAGREE WITH YOU
11:21:01AM AND WITH THE CITY OVERALL, BECAUSE AS SENATE BILL 64 SAYS WE
11:21:07AM HAVE TO DO SOMETHING BENEFICIAL.
11:21:08AM A BENEFICIAL USE BILL, AM I CORRECT?
11:21:13AM >>BRAD BAIRD: YOU ARE CORRECT.
11:21:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE MAJORITY OF THE MUNICIPALITIES, ONE OF
11:21:17AM THE WAYS TO FIND THE BENEFICIAL USE IS DEEP WELL INJECTION.
11:21:22AM DEEP WELL INJECTION HAS ZERO BENEFICIAL USE AND YET THE
11:21:27AM STATE IS ALLOWING IT, WHICH IS WHY WHAT THE SIERRA CLUB IS
11:21:30AM ABOUT TO PRESENT TALKS ABOUT OTHER WAY THAT ARE ACTUALLY
11:21:33AM BENEFICIAL USE.
11:21:34AM BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE STATE IT SAYING IT IS BENEFICIAL USE
11:21:39AM BUT INSTEAD DEEP WELL INJECTION THAT HAS ZERO BENEFICIAL
11:21:44AM USE, CORRECT?
11:21:46AM >>BRAD BAIRD: YES, THE POSITION THEY ARE TAKING AT THIS
11:21:48AM POINT.
11:21:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO BEN EXPEDITIOUS THAT WILL USE.
11:21:51AM THIS IS NOT A BENEFICIAL USE BILL.
11:21:54AM THERE ARE OPTIONS THAT THE CITY CAN USE SINCE THERE IS
11:21:58AM ALWAYS THIS OPTION THAT IS BEING WIDELY USED THAT ABSOLUTELY
11:22:01AM HAS NO BENEFIT TO THE AQUIFER IS BEING THAT WE ARE GOING TO
11:22:05AM LISTEN TO.
11:22:05AM THAT IS WHY I WOULD LIKE TO LISTEN TO THE SIERRA CLUB
11:22:08AM PRESENTATION NEXT.
11:22:09AM THANK YOU.
11:22:09AM >>BRAD BAIRD: THANK YOU.
11:22:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WANT TO HEAR THE PLACEBO.
11:22:14AM CARLSON AND THEN HENDERSON.
11:22:18AM >>BRAD BAIRD: STORY -- YOU WANT TO TAKE THE PLACEBO NEXT?
11:22:28AM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I WISH MR. BAIRD, YOU SAY 300 TONS OF
11:22:34AM NITROGEN A YEAR?
11:22:36AM >> YES, ACTUALLY 358 WAS OUR LAST CALCULATION OF TONS OF
11:22:41AM NITROGEN AND PHOSPHOROUS.
11:22:43AM >>BILL CARLSON: HOW MUCH WOULD IT TAKE TO -- YEAH, HOW MUCH
11:22:47AM WOULD IT COST TO JUST -- IN THE CURRENT FACILITY TO ADD THE
11:22:51AM CAPABILITY TO TAKE THE NITROGEN OUT SO THE DISCHARGE DOESN'T
11:22:54AM HAVE THAT IN IT.
11:22:56AM >>BRAD BAIRD: EXCELLENT QUESTION.
11:22:57AM DEPENDING ON WHAT PROCESS YOU USE, THAT COULD VARY GREATLY.
11:23:03AM AND ONE OF THE ITEMS ON TODAY 'S AGENDA IS NUMBER 5, TO LOOK
11:23:07AM AT THE SUSPENDED EXCHANGE.
11:23:10AM AND ONE OF THE THINGS IS TO DEVELOP A COST OF HOW MUCH WOULD
11:23:14AM IT COST --
11:23:16AM >>BILL CARLSON: DO YOU HAVE ANY BALLPARK?
11:23:18AM >>BRAD BAIRD: TO REDUCE -- DURING NUMBER 5, WE WILL SEE IF
11:23:23AM OUR PRESENTER MAY HAVE SOME PRELIMINARY COSTS ASSOCIATED
11:23:26AM WITH THAT.
11:23:27AM >>BILL CARLSON: ALL RIGHT.
11:23:28AM AND THEN -- SECOND, YOU SAID -- YOU SAID IT IS THE CITY --
11:23:33AM IS ANYBODY HERE FROM LEGAL?
11:23:35AM NO?
11:23:36AM >> YES.
11:23:37AM >>BRAD BAIRD: WE DO HAVE SOMEONE FROM LEGAL.
11:23:41AM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU SAID IT WAS THE CITY POLICY NOT TO
11:23:44AM CHANGE THIS LEGISLATION.
11:23:46AM THE CITY COUNCIL HAS VOTED THE ADMINISTRATION TO CHANGE IT.
11:23:53AM IT IS A CHARTER QUESTION.
11:23:55AM WHO SETS THE POLL VIS.
11:23:56AM DOES THE MAYOR SET THE POLICY OR THE CITY COUNCIL.
11:24:00AM THE CITY COUNCIL'S POLICY IS TO CHANGE -- TO GET THE
11:24:04AM LEGISLATION CHANGED AND THE MAYOR'S POLICY TO NOT CHANGE IT.
11:24:07AM WHAT DO WE DO FROM THE CHARTER POINT OF VIEW.
11:24:12AM >>McLANE EVANS: McLANE EVANS, ASSISTANT CITY KOREAN.
11:24:15AM IN THIS CASE FALL UNDER ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTION.
11:24:18AM SO I BELIEVE THE POLICY THAT MR. BAIRD IS REFERENCING WOULD
11:24:22AM BE A POLICY SET BY THE ADMINISTRATION.
11:24:24AM >>BILL CARLSON: WONDERING -- JUST LIKE ON OTHER ISSUES, WE
11:24:29AM WILL NEED TO GET AN OUTSIDE VIEW OF THAT.
11:24:30AM I UNDERSTAND BY THE CHARTER, I THINK ONLY TWO OF US LEFT
11:24:34AM WERE ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
11:24:36AM BUT ON THE CHARTER, THE MAYOR HAS AUTHORITY OVER THE PUBLIC
11:24:42AM POLICY PEOPLE AND THE LOBBYISTS.
11:24:44AM BUT I DON'T REMEMBER IN THE CHARTER THAT IT IS CLEAR WHO
11:24:47AM SETS THE LEGISLATIVE STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES.
11:24:50AM AND WE WILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO SEPARATELY,
11:24:56AM BUT CLEARLY, I THINK WE VOTED IN THE PAST THAT WE THINK THIS
11:24:59AM SHOULD BE CHANGED.
11:25:00AM WE KNOW FOR CERTAIN THAT THE LOBBYIST INSIDE AND OUTSIDE OF
11:25:05AM THE CITY BEFORE THIS ADMINISTRATION IN THE LAST
11:25:07AM ADMINISTRATION DID LOBBY FOR THIS AND PUT SPECIFIC LANGUAGE
11:25:11AM IN HERE TO REQUIRE TAMPA TO HAVE CERTAIN CRITERIA.
11:25:14AM THIS ADMINISTRATION SAYS THEY HAVEN'T, BUT THEY ARE AGAINST
11:25:17AM DOING THAT.
11:25:17AM AND SO I WOULD JUST SAY, FOLKS, WE ARE IN THE BUDGET SEASON.
11:25:22AM AND WE FOUND COUNCILMEMBER HURTAK FOUND $2 MILLION THE OTHER
11:25:30AM DAY BY LOOKING AT THE CREDIT CARD GUYS.
11:25:31AM WE CAN SAVE $1 MILLION OR SLIGHTLY MORE IF WE CUT THE PUBLIC
11:25:36AM POLICY PEOPLE OUT OF THE BUDGET AND THE LOBBYISTS OUT OF THE
11:25:39AM BUDGET AND THEY CLEARLY ARE NOT LISTENING TO US.
11:25:42AM THE PUBLIC POLICY PEOPLE HAVE WORKED AGAINST US AND WE HAVE
11:25:46AM DOCUMENTED PUBLIC RECORDS ON THAT.
11:25:47AM THE ONLY POWER THE CITY COUNCIL HAS OVER THE ADMINISTRATION
11:25:50AM IS IN THE BUDGET.
11:25:51AM IF FOLKS ARE GOING TO WORK ADVERSE TO CITY COUNCIL AND NOT
11:25:55AM COOPERATE WITH US, THE CHANCE WE HAVE IS TO CUT THEM OUT OF
11:25:58AM THE BUDGET.
11:25:58AM SAVE $1 MILLION A YEAR.
11:25:59AM WHY WOULD WE ALLOW $1 MILLION TO GO TO PARKS AND ROADS TO BE
11:26:05AM SPENT ON PEOPLE WORKING AGAINST CITY COUNCIL.
11:26:08AM THANK YOU.
11:26:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
11:26:11AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: JUST TO COMMENT ON COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:26:15AM I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS TRUE.
11:26:17AM THE CITY COUNCIL HAS CHANGED AND MAY BE VARYING OPINIONS
11:26:21AM WHAT WAS ASKED FOR IN THE PAST.
11:26:22AM SO BE SHOULD LISTEN TO BOTH SIDES, OF COURSE.
11:26:26AM I AM INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT THE PLACEBO HAS TO SAY, BUT
11:26:29AM SENATE BILL 64 AS IT WAS PRESENTED BY YOU MR. BAIRD, YOU ARE
11:26:36AM SAYING THAT WE, AS AN ADMINISTRATION, SPORT THE DECISION OF
11:26:40AM SENATE BILL 64 A, AS IS.
11:26:44AM >>BRAD BAIRD: CORRECT.
11:26:45AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: BASED ON OUR LOBBYISTS DOING WORK IN
11:26:49AM TALLAHASSEE IN THAT DIRECTION?
11:26:51AM >>BRAD BAIRD: NO, WE HAVE NEVER LOBBIED FOR SENATE BILL 64.
11:26:55AM YOU KNOW, WE HAVE IN THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION PERFORMED
11:26:59AM SOME LOBBYING ASSOCIATED WITH THE TAMPA AUGMENTATION PROJECT
11:27:03AM YEARS AGO.
11:27:04AM BUT NOT WITH SENATE BILL 64.
11:27:06AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY.
11:27:07AM WHY WOULD WE REMOVE OUR LOBBYISTS BASED ON THE FACT THAT
11:27:12AM COUNCIL MAY AGREE OR DISAGREE.
11:27:14AM THAT IS NOT A QUESTION FOR THE DAIS.
11:27:16AM THAT IS JUST A STATEMENT FOR PUBLIC.
11:27:18AM THANK YOU.
11:27:19AM >>BRAD BAIRD: THANK YOU.
11:27:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK -- SORRY, COUNCILMAN
11:27:25AM MIRANDA.
11:27:25AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I REMEMBER CLEARLY SAYING THAT THEY DID
11:27:29AM LOBBY.
11:27:29AM >> WHIT RAMMER SUSTAINABILITY FOR THE CITY.
11:27:37AM NEVER LOBBIED FOR THE BILL.
11:27:38AM WE HAD THAT FLEXIBILITY FOR MINIMUM FLOWS TO BE ALLOWABLE
11:27:43AM AND BENEFICIAL USE UNDER THE BILL.
11:27:45AM JUST TO BE CAREFUL, THE CLEANER YOU MAKE THE WATER, THE MORE
11:27:49AM IT IS GOING TO NOT COMPLY WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW.
11:27:52AM THE DEEP WELL INJECTION THAT YOU MENTIONED IS AN ALLOWABLE
11:27:58AM ACTIVITY.
11:27:58AM I AGREE.
11:27:59AM NOT A BENEFICIAL USE.
11:28:00AM NOT WHAT ANY OF US WANT TO DO WITH THE WATER.
11:28:02AM GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE MUNICIPALITIES THAT THE LAW WAS
11:28:06AM CONTEMPLATING.
11:28:07AM THIS WAS THE ONLY COST EFFECTIVE SOLUTION AND FRANKLY WASN'T
11:28:11AM A NEED FOR THE WATER IN PROBABLY THOSE COMMUNITIES.
11:28:13AM LOBBYING FOR A LAW TO BE INTRODUCED IS DIFFERENT FOR
11:28:16AM LOBBYING WHEN A LAW IS INTRODUCED TO CHANGE IT TO MEET THE
11:28:20AM NEEDS TO WHERE TAMPA IS.
11:28:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK: CONSIDERING THAT ST. PETE IS USING AND THEY
11:28:25AM NEED WATER, I DON'T THINK THAT IS NECESSARILY TRUE.
11:28:28AM DEEP WELL INJECTION IS BEING USED WITH CITIES THAT NEED THE
11:28:32AM WATER.
11:28:32AM >> SURE.
11:28:32AM BUT ST. PETE GETS THEIR WATER FROM CHUCK CARDEN AND TAMPA BAY
11:28:37AM WATER.
11:28:37AM THEIR UNDER CONTRACT TO BUY THEIR WATER FROM TAMPA BAY WATER
11:28:40AM AND DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES AND INFRASTRUCTURE NECESSARY
11:28:43AM TO, I THINK, REUSE THAT.
11:28:44AM IS THAT FAIR?
11:28:45AM >>BRAD BAIRD: ST. PETE DOES USE DEEP WELL INJECTION FOR
11:28:50AM THEIR SECONDARY EFFLUENT.
11:28:52AM AND TO A -- TO A ZONE IN THE AQUIFER THAT IS -- I WON'T SAYS
11:28:59AM IT CONTAMINATED, BUT IT IS VERY POOR QUALITY WATER.
11:29:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:29:06AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
11:29:08AM I AM NOT GOING TO GET INTO WHAT ST. PETE AND ANYBODY ELSE
11:29:11AM DOES.
11:29:12AM BUT THE TREATMENT WE HAVE AT THE HOWARD CURREN PLANT WITH AN
11:29:16AM ADVANCED TERTIARY TREATMENT PLANT.
11:29:19AM >>BRAD BAIRD: CORRECT.
11:29:20AM >> HOW MANY TERTIARY TREATMENT PLANTS ARE IN THIS AREA?
11:29:26AM >>BRAD BAIRD: I CANNOT.
11:29:27AM BUT JULY OF 1979, WE WERE THE LARGEST IN THE STATE OF
11:29:32AM FLORIDA.
11:29:32AM WE WERE ONE OF THE LARGEST IN THE COUNTRY.
11:29:34AM TO PUT IN PLACE ADVANCED WASTEWATER TREATMENT.
11:29:38AM BACK IN THE '70s.
11:29:40AM TWO WAYS TO GO.
11:29:41AM BUILD A SECONDARY PLANT AND NOT TREAT IT AS MUCH AS WE DO
11:29:46AM AND GO TO THE PURPLE PIPE SYSTEM, OR TO TREAT IT FURTHER TO
11:29:51AM ALMOST DRINKING WATER LEVEL AND DISCHARGE IT INTO THE BAY.
11:29:55AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: FURTHERMORE, JUST -- WHEN I THINK OF
11:29:59AM SOMETHING TO SOLVE, I DON'T THINK OF SOLVING IT TODAY OR
11:30:03AM YESTERDAY.
11:30:04AM AND ONE OF THE RESULTS OF SOLVING IT FOREVER.
11:30:08AM WHATEVER DO TODAY WITH THE RECLAIMED WATER, MAYBE I AM
11:30:12AM WRONG, BUT I DON'T KNOW WE CAN'T ALL GET TOGETHER INCLUDING
11:30:16AM EVERY GOVERNMENT, THE SIERRA CLUB, ALL THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS
11:30:20AM AND ALL OF US SAY WE WILL MAKE IT INTO A CLEANING UP THE BAY
11:30:23AM PLANT.
11:30:23AM OUR CURRENT PLANT.
11:30:25AM THE ADVANCE TREATED WATER INTO DRINKING WATER AND PUT IT IN
11:30:28AM THE BAY SO YOU HAVE A BENEFICIAL THING TO EVERYTHING IN THE
11:30:32AM BAY WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING ELSE AND SPENDING MONEY ON
11:30:36AM SOMETHING THAT IS NOT GOING TO WORK.
11:30:38AM YOU KNOW, I -- WHEN YOU HAVE A HURRICANE LIKE TODAY OR
11:30:41AM YESTERDAY OR THE DAY BEFORE, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN
11:30:44AM HERE IN FLORIDA TOMORROW.
11:30:45AM THAT HURRICANE MAKES A RIGHT-HAND TURN.
11:30:47AM GUESS WHAT, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE TODAY TALKING.
11:30:50AM >>BRAD BAIRD: BOTTOM LINE, RIGHT NOW IT IS A RESOURCE.
11:30:54AM THAT IS BEING WASTED.
11:30:56AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM NOT TALKING OF MAKING DRINKING
11:31:00AM WATER.
11:31:00AM I AM TRYING TO MAKE IT TO CLEAN OUT THE BAY PERIOD.
11:31:03AM ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MANATEE COUNTY, THEY JUST REDUCED WHAT
11:31:07AM THEY WERE DOING ENVIRONMENTALLY FROM THE STATE.
11:31:09AM I AM NOT SURE IF THAT IS RIGHT, BUT THAT IS WHAT I HEARD.
11:31:13AM I TELL MYSELF, WOW.
11:31:15AM AND WE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO
11:31:18AM FIX, BUT WE ARE NOT TRYING TO GET IT FIXED.
11:31:20AM WE JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.
11:31:23AM WHEN YOU TALK OF THE ENVIRONMENT, HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE GRASS
11:31:27AM IN THEIR FRONT YARD?
11:31:29AM HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE SOLAR?
11:31:32AM HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE A HYBRID OR AN ELECTRIC CAR?
11:31:37AM HOW MANY PEOPLE DO THINGS DIFFERENT THAT ARE FOR THE
11:31:40AM ENVIRONMENT.
11:31:40AM YOU NEVER HEAR ABOUT THAT.
11:31:41AM ALL YOU HEAR ABOUT IS EVERYTHING BAD.
11:31:44AM SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO BE DOING SOMETHING GOOD.
11:31:46AM WHY DON'T WE START A CLUB TO FIND OUT WHO IS DOING WHAT
11:31:51AM INSTEAD OF CRITICIZING EVERYTHING THAT SOMEBODY DOES.
11:31:53AM GIVE US AN IDEA HOW TO FIX IT.
11:31:55AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT COSTS TO MA I THINK THAT PLANT INTO
11:31:57AM DRINKING WATER.
11:31:58AM ONLY FOR THE BAY.
11:32:00AM WHAT HAPPENS IF A HURRICANE COMES BACK ANOTHER WAY.
11:32:05AM AND WHAT IF TAMPA BAY WATER TER AIRY TREATMENT AND THEY HAVE
11:32:13AM THREE OF THEM.
11:32:14AM WHAT DO WE DO THEN?
11:32:16AM >>BRAD BAIRD: WE SET UP ACTUALLY WITH TAMPA BAY WATER WITH
11:32:20AM AN EMERGENCY CONNECTION THAT CAN OPERATE BOTH DIRECTIONS.
11:32:23AM SO IF TAMPA BAY WATER IS IN TROUBLE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE
11:32:27AM CAPABILITY OF -- OF PROVIDING WATER TO TAMPA BAY WATER AND
11:32:31AM VICE VERSA.
11:32:32AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN
11:32:34AM SAID WITH EXCEPTIONS.
11:32:35AM LET ME TELL YOU WHAT THOSE EXCEPTIONS ARE.
11:32:38AM FIRST OF ALL, THE RIVER MAINLY FROM THE GREEN SWAMP.
11:32:43AM BETWEEN THE PLANT AND THE GREEN SWAMP, THERE IS A LOT OF
11:32:49AM LAND.
11:32:49AM AND A LOT OF COWS.
11:32:50AM AND THERE ARE A LOT OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT DIE ON THE
11:32:53AM RIVER.
11:32:53AM AND THE RIVER IS NOT CLEAN.
11:32:55AM THEY JUST DON'T GET THE RIVER CLEAN AND HERE IT IS.
11:32:59AM IT GOES THROUGH A TEDIOUS PROCESS TO GET ONE OF THE BEST
11:33:04AM DRINKING WATERS IN THE COUNTRY RIGHT HERE IN TAMPA.
11:33:06AM >>BRAD BAIRD: THANK YOU.
11:33:08AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WATER
11:33:11AM IS NOT CLEAN.
11:33:12AM >>BRAD BAIRD: NO.
11:33:13AM IN FACT WE HAVE PLANT CITY DISCHARGING UPSTREAM OF US.
11:33:17AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHAT DO THEY CHARGE WITH UPSTREAM?
11:33:19AM CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE?
11:33:21AM >>BRAD BAIRD: YEAH, IT IS -- PLANT CITY DISCHARGES
11:33:26AM SEVERAL MGD UPSTREAM OF US OF RECLAIMED WATER.
11:33:29AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ADVANTAGED OR TERTIARY TREATMENT PLANT?
11:33:34AM >>BRAD BAIRD: I BELIEVE THERE IS YOUR RECENTLY A SECONDARY
11:33:38AM AND I WILL HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
11:33:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T KNOW.
11:33:40AM THAT IS WHY I AM ASKING.
11:33:42AM >>BRAD BAIRD: OTHER REUSE GOING ON IN TAMPA BAY WATER -- OR
11:33:46AM TAMPA BAY REGION.
11:33:47AM ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS 4G DISCHARGES ON TOP OF OR NEAR TWO WELL
11:33:53AM FIELDS FOR TAMPA BAY WATER, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY DISCHARGES
11:33:56AM TO ALAFIA RIVER INDIRECTLY.
11:34:00AM SO THERE ARE EXAMPLES RIGHT NOW WHERE -- WHERE WE HAVE
11:34:04AM RECLAIMED WATER GOING TO OUR WATER SUPPLY.
11:34:06AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:34:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
11:34:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WE LOST
11:34:14AM THOUSANDS OF ACRES OF SEAGRASS IN THE BAY DUE SOME OF OUR
11:34:18AM MAN-MADE STRESSES WE PUT ON THE BAY INCLUDING THE NITROGEN
11:34:23AM AND PHOSPHOROUS YOU WERE SPEAKING OF.
11:34:26AM WE HAVE TO PURSUE ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSCIOUS POLICIES THAT
11:34:33AM INHIBIT -- EXACTLY.
11:34:34AM EXACTLY.
11:34:35AM SO I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, REFERENCE TO WHAT 64 DOES,
11:34:42AM INTENTION OF KEEPING SOME OF THOSE THINGS OUT, BUT I THINK
11:34:45AM CLEARLY THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA HAVE SPOKEN.
11:34:48AM I WILL SPEAK MORE AFTER THE SIERRA CLUB DOES THEIR
11:34:51AM PRESENTATION.
11:34:52AM THAT BEING SAID AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL CITY STAFF
11:34:55AM HEAR THIS.
11:34:56AM AND THE MAYOR HEARS THIS.
11:34:58AM BECAUSE I ONLY HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE MAY 1.
11:35:01AM AND I KNOW SOME OF THE HISTORY AND SOME OF THE ANIMOSITY AND
11:35:04AM SOME OF THE CHALLENGES OF PREVIOUS COUNCILS AND
11:35:06AM ADMINISTRATIONS.
11:35:07AM BUT I WANT TO ECHO A LITTLE BIT WHAT MY PARTNER TO MY RIGHT,
11:35:12AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID.
11:35:13AM REFERENCE THE DIRECTION OF THE CITY.
11:35:15AM IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF FAIRLY IN-DEPTH READING OF THE
11:35:20AM CHARTER AND FAIRLY IN-DEPTH READING OF RESPONSIBILITIES AND
11:35:23AM THE INTENT OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA WE
11:35:26AM OPERATE IN A COOPERATIVE.
11:35:28AM A COOPERATIVE WAY IN HOW WE RUN THE CITY.
11:35:30AM CLEARLY, THE MAYOR RUNS THE ADMINISTRATION -- THE DAY-TO-DAY
11:35:37AM OPERATION OF THE CITY.
11:35:38AM BUT ON POLICY.
11:35:39AM POLICY REALLY.
11:35:40AM IF THE PERSON HOLDS THE PURSE STRINGS, CONTROLS THE POLICY
11:35:44AM AND YOU TRY TO IMPLEMENT POLICY OR PROCEDURES WHEN WE ZERO
11:35:48AM OUT THE BUDGET.
11:35:49AM OR IF WE USE THE BUDGET -- IF WE FLEX ON THE BUDGET.
11:35:53AM SO ULTIMATELY THE PEOPLE TO MY LEFT AND RIGHT THAT CONTROL
11:35:57AM THE POLICY OF THE CITY.
11:35:58AM AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN THIS CITY SHOULD FORGET THAT.
11:36:01AM THANK YOU.
11:36:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WANT TO CHANGE UP THE AGENDA.
11:36:04AM SO AFTER 4, WE WILL GO TO 6 AND THEN BREAK FOR LUNCH.
11:36:07AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND THEN THE PLACEBO CLUB.
11:36:10AM OR YOU WANT TO HEAR THE PLACEBO.
11:36:12AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES, SORRY.
11:36:13AM YOU LOOK AT THE ESTUARY STUDY MY COLLEAGUE MENTIONED
11:36:18AM THE AREA HURT OLD TAMPA BAY AND NOT OLD HILLSBOROUGH PAY.
11:36:23AM WE CAN GET INTO THAT ARGUMENT ANOTHER TIME.
11:36:26AM I THINK THE ADMINISTRATION HAS USED THAT AS, AS AN EXCUSE TO
11:36:30AM PUSH THIS PROJECT.
11:36:30AM A WHOLE HISTORY IN THIS PROJECT AND I DON'T WANT TO OPEN UP
11:36:33AM ALL THE WOUND AND HAVE ALL THE ARGUMENTS AGAIN.
11:36:36AM BUT IN REGARD TO THE LEGISLATION, EVEN IF YOU MODIFY
11:36:40AM LEGISLATION, YOU CAN DO IT IN A WAY THAT BENEFITS A PROJECT
11:36:44AM THAT YOU WANT.
11:36:45AM AND I -- WE KNOW THAT THE LAST ADMINISTRATION DID LOBBY IN
11:36:52AM FAVOR OF DOING AWAY WITH TAMPA BAY WATER.
11:36:54AM I MEAN, IT IS IN THE PRESS.
11:36:56AM YOU CAN GOOGLE IT.
11:36:58AM AND OTHER THINGS THAT WILL HURT OUR REGION AND HURT OUR
11:37:01AM CITY.
11:37:01AM DO YOU KNOW, MR. BAIRD, WHAT IS THE NUMBER OF MGD THAT ST.
11:37:06AM PETE PUTS THROUGH THEIR PURPLE PIPES COMPARED TO TAMPA?
11:37:10AM >>BRAD BAIRD: I DO NOT KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
11:37:13AM WE ARE AROUND FIVE MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
11:37:16AM >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT HAPPENED DURING THE IORIO
11:37:19AM ADMINISTRATION, WE LAUNCHED PURPLE PIPES JUST IN SOUTH TAMPA
11:37:23AM IT IS NOT THE FORMER MAYOR'S FAULT, BUT THE PROJECT WAS
11:37:26AM BADLY MARKETED.
11:37:27AM CONFUSION HOW TO USE IT.
11:37:29AM HARDLY ANYBODY SIGNED UP AND IT WAS SEEN AS A FAILURE.
11:37:32AM THAT WAS ONE OF OUR ALTERNATIVES THAT CAME BACK A COUPLE OF
11:37:35AM YEARS AGO.
11:37:35AM WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AGAIN SEPARATELY.
11:37:38AM AS I UNDERSTAND, ST. PETE HAS A LOT OF USAGE OF PURPLE PIPES
11:37:42AM WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS THEY DON'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM
11:37:45AM CREATED BY THE LEGISLATION.
11:37:46AM NOT A PROBLEM UNTIL THE LEGISLATION MADE IT A PROBLEM.
11:37:49AM I WANT EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, TOO.
11:37:54AM TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES.
11:37:55AM ONE IS THE YUCK FACTOR WHICH IS THE EASIEST WAY TO ARGUE
11:37:59AM AGAINST THIS.
11:37:59AM I HAVE BEEN TO CITIES IN THE WORLD THAT USE RECLAIMED WATER.
11:38:02AM I HAVE HAD -- YOU KNOW, I HAVE BEEN DRINKING THAT WATER.
11:38:06AM I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE PERSONALLY WITH DRINKING WATER THROUGH
11:38:11AM REVERSE OSMOSIS OR SOME HIGH LEVEL PROCESS.
11:38:15AM I DON'T WANT TO USE A EXPERIMENTAL PROCESS WHICH IS WHAT THE
11:38:18AM CITY WAS LOOKING TO DO.
11:38:20AM I ALSO -- BUT THE SEPARATE ISSUE -- THE SEPARATE REALLY
11:38:23AM IMPORTANT ISSUE THAT THE PUBLIC IS ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT IS
11:38:25AM THE COST AND WHO OWN IT IS.
11:38:27AM AND TAMPA BAY WATER HAS SIX MEMBER GOVERNMENTS.
11:38:31AM ONE OF THE MEMBERS IS OUR COLLEAGUE COUNCILMEMBER MIRANDA.
11:38:36AM BUT CITY OF TAMPA IS REPRESENTED .SO ARE THE OTHER MEMBER
11:38:41AM GOVERNMENTS.
11:38:41AM FOR SOME REASON THE LAST TWO ADMINISTRATIONS HERE HAVE BEEN
11:38:44AM PUSHING A PARTICULAR KIND OF PROJECT THAT THE COMMUNITY
11:38:47AM OBJECTS TO.
11:38:48AM ALL THE SCIENTIFIC EXPERTS SAY IS EXPERIMENTAL AND A WASTE
11:38:53AM OF MONEY.
11:38:53AM THEY HAVE BEEN PUSHING TO PROCESS THIS WHOLE 50 MGD FOR THE
11:38:58AM CITY.
11:38:58AM YOU HEARD TAMPA BAY WATER SAY THEY COULD POTENTIALLY TAKE
11:39:01AM OVER THE PROJECT THEMSELVES IN SOME FORM.
11:39:04AM AND THEY WOULD TAKE THE RISK OF THE DEBT.
11:39:07AM WHY IS IT THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA -- IF WE NEED FOUR MILLION
11:39:12AM GALLON AS DAY IN 20.
11:39:14AM WRITE WE CAN GET FROM SAVING MONEY ON THE WISE PROGRAM.
11:39:17AM WHY WOULD WE SPEND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO PROCESS 50 MILLION
11:39:21AM GALLONS A DAY WHEN WE WILL NOT NEED 50 GALLONS A DAY FOR
11:39:25AM OVER 100 YEARS.
11:39:26AM WATER IS THE MOST IMPORTANT RESOURCE THAT WE HAVE, BUT WE
11:39:29AM DON'T HAVE A SHORT AND.
11:39:30AM TAMPA BAY WATER DOESN'T HAVE A SHORTAGE.
11:39:33AM WE HAVE ACCESS TO WATER.
11:39:35AM THE ISSUE WHY SHOULD OUR RATE PAYER PAY SO MUCH MONEY.
11:39:39AM THEY ARE SUFFERING FROM HIGH COSTS.
11:39:40AM IF WE LET THE REGIONAL PARTNER PROCESS THIS IN SOME WAY AND
11:39:44AM THE LEGISLATION IS MODIFIED TO LET THEM USE INNOVATIVE WAYS
11:39:51AM TO PROCESS IT, THE COST OF THE DEBT IS SPREAD.
11:39:54AM WE HAVE INDIRECTLY 1/6 OF THE DEBT.
11:39:59AM WE ONLY PAY FOR THE WATER WE NEED.
11:40:01AM AND CAN SELL THEM $1.25 PER GALLON AND BUY BACK AT $2.58.
11:40:07AM INSTEAD HAVING A BURDEN OF INCREASED COST AND DEBT OVER THE
11:40:12AM NEXT 20 TO 30 YEARS.
11:40:13AM WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT AND CAN MAKE A PROFIT FOR THE NEXT
11:40:16AM 20 YEARS AND USE THAT PROFIT TO PAY FOR THE OTHER PROJECTS
11:40:19AM THAT WE NEED.
11:40:19AM SO MY OBJECTION IS NOT REALLY THE YUCK FACTOR.
11:40:23AM MY OBJECTION, I DON'T WANT THE CITY OF TAMPA TO OWN THIS.
11:40:26AM I JUST WANT TO END WITH SAYING CHUCK WEBER BEFORE HE LEFT
11:40:31AM AND MR. BAIRD AND OTHERS, THEY ARE MEETING WHERE TAMPA BAY
11:40:35AM WATER MORE IN EARNEST.
11:40:36AM A HORRIBLE ADVERSARIAL RELATIONSHIP FOR TEN YEARS WITH TAMPA
11:40:41AM BAY WATER AND ALL REPORTS ARE, THAT IMPROVED AND EARNEST
11:40:46AM CONVERSATIONS WITH PARTNERING WITH TAMPA BAY WATER.
11:40:49AM WE COME TO AN AGREEMENT WHERE WE SOLVE TAMPA'S PROBLEMS IN A
11:40:55AM COST-EFFECTIVE SAFE WAY FOR OUR RATE PAYERS AND OFFSET THE
11:41:00AM REGIONAL FOR OUR PARTNERS.
11:41:02AM THAT WOULD BE A WIN-WIN-WIN.
11:41:04AM PLACEBO.
11:41:04AM >>BRAD BAIRD: CAN I HAVE ONE QUICK CLARIFICATION ON WHAT
11:41:09AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON JUST SAID.
11:41:10AM WE ARE WORKING WITH TAMPA BAY WATER MORE COLLABORATIVELY
11:41:16AM LATELY.
11:41:17AM I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
11:41:18AM TAMPA BAY WATER'S NEED IS 20 GALLONS A DAY.
11:41:24AM OUR REQUIREMENT TO ELIMINATE 50 MILLION GALLON AS DAY.
11:41:28AM I WOULD SAY TO THAT, DON'T FORGET THE PROBLEM WE ARE TRYING
11:41:33AM TO SOLVE IS MINIMUM FLOWS IN THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
11:41:36AM GREAT PROMISE ASSOCIATED FURTHER CLEANING UP THAT WATER.
11:41:40AM AND TO WELL BELOW BACKGROUND LEVELS OF NUTRIENTS AND
11:41:45AM CONTAMINANTS OF EMERGING CONCERN IN THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER
11:41:49AM AND PROVIDING FRESH WATER, I CALL IT.
11:41:51AM A MINI ESTUARY NEAR THE DAM THAT CAN GREATLY IMPROVE THE
11:41:59AM AQUATIC LIFE AND SPAWNING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
11:42:03AM I DON'T WANT TO FORGET OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFIT WE ARE
11:42:06AM WORKING TOWARD.
11:42:07AM AND TAMPA BAY WATER IS NOT PART -- OR NOT REQUIRED TO MEET
11:42:12AM MINIMUM FLOWS ON THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
11:42:14AM THE CITY OF TAMPA IS.
11:42:15AM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST -- I TALKED TO TAMPA BAY WATER AND THEY
11:42:19AM SAY THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA ARBITRARILY SET THE 20 MGD.
11:42:23AM CITY OF TAMPA DOESN'T NEED 50 MGD FOR A 1,000 YEARS.
11:42:30AM I DESCRIBED THE CARVE OUT OF HILLSBOROUGH RIVER WAS NOT THE
11:42:33AM RIGHT FOREVER MANDATED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA, A HANDSHAKE
11:42:38AM BETWEEN DICK GRECO AND ED TURANCHIK THAT COULD GO EITHER
11:42:45AM WAY.
11:42:45AM AN ISSUE WITH MINIMUM FLOWS AN GET OUR WATER FROM THE
11:42:49AM HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, WE CAN OUTSOURCE THAT TO TAMPA PAY
11:42:52AM WATER.
11:42:52AM IF WE HAVE THE OTHER MEMBER GOVERNMENTS MAY NOT AGREE TO
11:42:56AM TAKE IT ON.
11:42:57AM WHY IS IT THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA SHOULD TAKE ON THE DEBT?
11:43:00AM I THINK IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FROM A FINANCIAL POINT OF
11:43:03AM VIEW.
11:43:03AM IF THE CITY OF TAMPA WATER DEPARTMENT AND ADMINISTRATION SAY
11:43:06AM WE ARE HAPPY TO PARTNER WITH WHOEVER WE WANT TO DO WHAT IS
11:43:09AM BEST FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND WE WANT TO SAVE MONEY BY PARTING
11:43:14AM WITH SOMEBODY ELSE AND LETTING THEM MANAGE IT.
11:43:18AM I AM FINE WITH THAT.
11:43:19AM CITY OF TAMPA HAS BEEN HELLBENT FOR MORE THAN TEN YEARS.
11:43:23AM THIS ADMINISTRATION DIDN'T CREATE THIS ADD, TO JUST DO THEIR
11:43:26AM OWN PROJECT.
11:43:27AM WE DON'T NEED TO PROCESS 50 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
11:43:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLACEBO.
11:43:34AM >> FINAL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
11:43:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AFTER THE PRESENTATION, WE WILL HAVE
11:43:38AM PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS.
11:43:39AM >> WE NEED TO GET MY SLIDES UP.
11:43:47AM NANCY, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS ONE SLIDE BEFORE I
11:43:51AM BEGIN?
11:43:52AM >> I CAN SPEAK TO THIS.
11:43:53AM >> I WAS.
11:43:55AM WHAT IS THE SCOOP, NANCY.
11:43:57AM >> WILL GIVE SOME OF THE TECHNICAL DETAILS AND I WILL WRAP
11:44:00AM UP.
11:44:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PULL UP THE PRESENTATION.
11:44:02AM SIR, STATE YOUR NAME.
11:44:04AM >> YES, THANK YOU.
11:44:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE WILL GO FROM THERE.
11:44:07AM WE ARE WAIT FOR IT TO COME BACK.
11:44:10AM >>SID FLANNERY: MY NAME IS SID FLANNERY.
11:44:13AM I AM A RESIDENT OF THE METROPOLITAN TRANSPORTATION AREA.
11:44:16AM FOR YOU I DON'T KNOW, RETIRED AND CHIEF ENVIRONMENTAL
11:44:20AM SCIENTIST WITH THE SOUTHWEST FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT
11:44:22AM DISTRICT.
11:44:22AM I WORKED FOR EVERY 30 YEARS.
11:44:24AM STUDYING KNOWS TO THE ESTUARY AND WORKED ON MINIMUM FLOW IN
11:44:30AM THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
11:44:30AM I WORKED ON THE WATER PERMITS CITY OF TAMPA AND PERMITS FROM
11:44:34AM TAMPA BAY WATER.
11:44:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BRING THE PRESENTATION UP ON THE BIG
11:44:38AM SCREEN.
11:44:39AM >>SID FLANNERY: THAT'S IT.
11:44:40AM YES.
11:44:40AM THANK YOU.
11:44:41AM THE SUBJECT OF TODAY'S PRESENTATION IS RECOMMENDATION FOR
11:44:45AM IMPROVED APPLICATION OF SENATE BILL 64 TO TAMPA TREATED
11:44:49AM DISCHARGE TO TAMPA BAY AND IMPROVE METHODS BY PROJECTS TO
11:44:53AM USE THE RECLAIMED WATER.
11:44:55AM TODAY I AM REPRESENTING THE TAMPA CITIZENS STAKEHOLDER
11:44:58AM GROUP.
11:44:59AM YOU ARE SAYING PLACEBO.
11:45:00AM AND PLACEBO ARM'S MEMBER BUT THE TAMPA CITIZENS STAKEHOLDER
11:45:05AM GROUP.
11:45:05AM THE TAMPA WATER DEPARTMENT, THEY CREATED THIS FEEDBACK GROUP
11:45:08AM IN DECEMBER OF 2020.
11:45:09AM AND WE INTERACTED WITH THEM ALMOST 12 TIMES INTO THE SUMMER
11:45:13AM OF 2022.
11:45:14AM THE PURPOSE WAS FOR THE CITY TO GET FEEDBACK ON THEIR
11:45:18AM RECLAIMED WATER OPTIONS.
11:45:19AM SO IT WAS A VERY GOOD PROCESS.
11:45:21AM I WANT TO EMPHASIZE TODAY, WE ARE NOT HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR
11:45:28AM OR AGAINST ANY SPECIFIC RECLAIMED WATER INITIATIVE.
11:45:31AM THAT IS NOT WHY WE ARE HERE.
11:45:33AM WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS.
11:45:35AM THE PROCESS BY WHICH DEP CAN APPLY THE REQUIREMENTS OF
11:45:39AM SENATE BILL 64 TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:45:42AM AND HOW THAT CAN BE APPROVED.
11:45:43AM AGAIN, SENATE BILL 64 WAS PASSED IN THE 2021 LEGISLATIVE
11:45:48AM SESSION.
11:45:49AM INTERESTINGLY, OUR STAKEHOLDERS GROUP WAS MEETING WITH CITY
11:45:52AM STAFF WHEN THIS WAS OCCURRING.
11:45:53AM WE FOLLOWED THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS LEGISLATION.
11:45:56AM IT REQUIRES UTILITIES TO ELIMINATE NONBENEFICIAL SURFACE
11:46:02AM WATERS YOU HAVE FLUENT WHICH IS DOMESTIC TREATED WASTEWATER
11:46:06AM IN AN AVERAGE QUANTITY THAT MUST BE REPORTED TO DEP.
11:46:09AM NOW THE EMPHASIS OF THE LEGISLATION WAS TO ENCOURAGE REUSE,
11:46:12AM BUT REUSE CAN BE USED FOR MANY DIFFERENT PURPOSES.
11:46:15AM THE CURRENT INTERPRETATION OF SENATE BILL 64 WILL RARE THE
11:46:20AM CITY OF TAMPA TO ELIMINATE AND REROUTE 50 MILLION GALLONS A
11:46:26AM DAY OF DISCHARGE FROM THEIR ADVANCED WASTEWATER TREATMENT
11:46:28AM PLANT BY JANUARY 1, 2032.
11:46:32AM EIGHT YEARS, FOUR MONTHS FROM NOW.
11:46:35AM I WILL ROUND IT OFF TO EIGHT AND A HALF YEARS.
11:46:37AM WE BELIEVE THIS SIMPLE APPLICATION OF SENATE BILL 64 THAT
11:46:41AM REQUIRES THE CITY TO ELIMINATE AND REROUTE 50 MGD OF
11:46:47AM WASTEWATER POSE SERIOUS DIFFICULTIES FOR THE CITY TO HAVE
11:46:51AM RECLAIMED WATER WITH THIS DISCHARGE AND PROTECTIVE OF OUR
11:46:54AM WATER AND NATURAL RESOURCES.
11:46:56AM IN THAT REGARD, WE HAVE DEVELOPED A DOCUMENT THAT POSES A
11:46:59AM SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE FLORIDA DEP ON
11:47:03AM HOW SENATE BILL 64 CAN BE APPLIED IN WAYS TO GIVE THE CITY
11:47:09AM VALUABLE OPERATIONAL FLEXIBILITY TO DEVELOP RECLAIMED WATER
11:47:12AM PROJECT USING THE HWD DISCHARGE IN QUANTITIES THAT ARE
11:47:16AM NEEDED, SAFE, COST-EFFECTIVE AND PROTECTED OF THE WATER'S
11:47:21AM NATURAL AND WATER RESOURCES INCLUDING TAMPA PAY.
11:47:23AM I SENT A DRAFT OF MY DOCUMENT TO EACH OF YOU YESTERDAY
11:47:26AM MORNING AND WILL BE INTERESTED IN ANY THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS
11:47:29AM YOU HAVE ON IT.
11:47:29AM WE ALSO SENT THE DRAFT DOCUMENT TO THE CITY STAFF FOR THEIR
11:47:33AM INFORMATION AND REVIEW.
11:47:34AM I SUPPOSE THE LEGISLATURE MEANT AS WELL, BUT SENATE BILL 64
11:47:39AM IS A ONE SIZE FITS ALL BILL FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
11:47:43AM IF YOU WERE A SMALL MUNICIPALITY IN POLK COUNTY AND USING
11:47:48AM THE FLORIDIAN ACT QUESTION FIR WATER SUPPLY AND AQUIFER IS
11:47:53AM STRESSED AND DOING 5 MGD, THIS MAY MAKE SENSE.
11:47:57AM BUT CITY OF TAMPA IS THE OWN SITUATION ENTIRELY.
11:48:01AM WHOLE UTILITY THAT RELIES ON THE RIVER FOR WATER SUPPLIES.
11:48:05AM AND THE CORRESPONDING NEED FOR RECLAIMED WATER CAN VARY
11:48:10AM TREMENDOUSLY BETWEEN WET AND DRY PERIODS.
11:48:13AM JUST FOR QUICK GEOGRAPHIC REFERENCE, THE CITY GETS ITS WATER
11:48:22AM FROM THE RESERVOIR IN THE GREEN CIRCLE WHERE THE DAM IS.
11:48:24AM TEN MILES UPSTREAM FROM THE MOUTH OF THE RIVER.
11:48:27AM THE RIVER HAS BEEN IMPOUNDED OVER 100 YEARS AND CITY IS
11:48:32AM GETTING WATER SUPPLIES OVER 100 YEARS.
11:48:34AM THE TAMPA BYPASS CANAL TO THE RIGHT, DUG IN THE CHANNEL OF
11:48:39AM THE SIX MILE CREEK IN THE RIVER AND FLOW TO TAMPA BAY.
11:48:45AM PURPOSE TO DIVERT FLOODWATERS AROUND TAMPA AND TEMPLE
11:48:49AM TERRACE AND DUG HIT THE FLORIDIAN AQUIFER AND SIGNIFICANT
11:48:53AM WATERS FLOW INTO THE TPC.
11:48:55AM SINCE 9 MID-1980s HELP THEIR WATER SUPPLY BY PUMPING FROM
11:49:03AM THE HARNEY CANAL FROM THE TDC INTO THE RESERVOIR AND A REAL
11:49:08AM HELP FOR MEETING WATER SUPPLIES.
11:49:10AM ALSO SINCE 2002, TAMPA BAY HAS USED THE TAMPA BYPASS CANAL
11:49:15AM FOR WATER SUPPLY WITH TWO INTAKES ON THE POOL THERE.
11:49:18AM ALSO DURING HIGH FLOWS -- WHERE THERE IS HIGH FLOWS IN THE
11:49:22AM RIVER AND FLOW WITH THE DAM, WATER FLOWING CAN BE THROUGH
11:49:26AM THE HARNEY CANAL TO THE TBTC AND TAMPA CAN USE THAT WATER.
11:49:32AM A GRAPHIC OF THE MONTHLY WATER WITHDRAWALS OF THE TAMPA
11:49:37AM RIVER AND CANAL BYPASS STARTING IN THE 1985.
11:49:42AM BLUE DOTS WITHDRAWALS FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:49:45AM THE RED IS THE TOTAL WITHDRAWALS INCLUDING TAMPA BAY WATER.
11:49:48AM DIFFERENCE OF THE RED AND THE BLUE WILL BE TAMPA BAY WATER
11:49:52AM WITHDRAWALS.
11:49:53AM YOU CAN SEE THE WITHDRAWALS INCREASED SUBSTANTIALLY.
11:49:56AM 1909s, CITY OF TAMPA AVERAGED 63 MILLION GALLON OF WATER.
11:50:03AM TOTAL DEMAND BY BOTH TAMPA BAY WATER AND THE CITY OF TAMPA
11:50:07AM HAS AVERAGED 125 MILLION GALLON AS WATER PER DAY.
11:50:11AM THIS IS A VERY VALUABLE WATER SUPPLY SOURCE.
11:50:14AM NOT ALL THE WATER THAT IS TAKEN FOR WATER SUPPLY WOULD HAVE
11:50:17AM FLOWED TO THE RIVER.
11:50:18AM MANY REASONS FOR THAT.
11:50:19AM BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE THE INCREASED WATER SUPPLY WITHDRAWALS
11:50:24AM FOR THESE TWO WATER COURSES DECREASED FRESH WATER FLOW TO
11:50:28AM TAMPA BAY.
11:50:28AM NEXT SLIDE.
11:50:36AM THESE ARE THE DISTRICTS FROM THE HOWARD F. CURREN WASTEWATER
11:50:41AM TREATMENT PLANT THAT I FORGET TO POINT OUT IN CHANNEL IN
11:50:44AM DOWNTOWN TAMPA, TWO MILES DOWNSTREAM FROM THE MOUTH OF THE
11:50:50AM HILLSBOROUGH RIVER AT HOKER'S POINT.
11:50:54AM MONTHLY DISCHARGES FROM THE HOWARD F. CURREN TREATMENT
11:50:58AM PLANT.
11:50:58AM ORANGE LINE IS THE REFERENCE LINE, 50 MGD THAT THE CITY
11:51:03AM WOULD HAVE TO ELIMINATE BY JANUARY 1, 2022.
11:51:06AM THE TIS CHARGE VARIES AND AVERAGED 52 MGD IN RECENT YEARS.
11:51:12AM KEEP IN MIND, THIS IS NOT NUT FRESH WATER FLOW TO TAMPA BAY.
11:51:16AM THIS IS REPLACING THE PORTION OF THE FLOW THAT WOULD HAVE
11:51:19AM FLOWN FROM THE TAMPA BYPASS CANAL.
11:51:22AM IT IS DISPLACING FLOW TO TAMPA BAY.
11:51:26AM HERE IS REALLY THE KEY ELEMENT OF THIS ISSUE.
11:51:29AM WE TALKED OF MINIMUM FLOWS AND WATER SUPPLY.
11:51:31AM THE CITY HAS STATED THERE ARE THREE PRIMARY GOALS FOR
11:51:35AM EVALUATION, IMPLEMENTATION OF RECLAIMED WATER PROJECT USING
11:51:39AM DISCHARGE FROM THE HOWARD F. CURREN WATER TREATMENT PLANT,
11:51:43AM PROVIDE MINIMUM FLOWS TO THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
11:51:45AM MINIMUM FLOWS ARE BEING MET WITH EXISTING SOURCES.
11:51:49AM IF WE WERE TO USE RECLAIMED WATER WITH THAT TO HELP RELIEVE
11:51:53AM DEMAND ON THOSE AND INCREASE THE POSITIVE FLOWS.
11:51:56AM THE SECOND TO DROUGHT-PROOF THE RESERVOIR DURING EXTENDED
11:51:59AM DRY PERIODS.
11:52:00AM WHAT I WANT TO EMPHASIZE WHEN THERE IS FLOW OVER THE
11:52:04AM HILLSBOROUGH RIVER DAM, NO NEED FOR THESE TWO USES OF
11:52:08AM RECLAIMED WATER.
11:52:09AM FLOW OVER THE DAM, THE CITY CAN COMPLETELY MEET THEIR WATER
11:52:12AM SUPPLIES FROM THE HILLSBOROUGH WATER RESERVOIR.
11:52:15AM NO NEED FOR MINIMUM FLOWS FROM THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
11:52:17AM SOMETHING THAT OCCURS WITH NO FLOW AT THE DAM.
11:52:20AM THIRDLY, MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF SENATE BILL 64 BY
11:52:24AM ELIMINATING AN AVERAGE OF 50 MGD FROM SURFACE DISCHARGE FROM
11:52:29AM THE HOWARD F. CURREN WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT TO TAMPA
11:52:35AM BAY.
11:52:35AM NEXT SLIDE IS IMPORTANT.
11:52:36AM FLOW RECORDS AT THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER DAM GO BACK TO 1938.
11:52:40AM PRIOR TO THE 1970s, ALWAYS FLOW OVER THE DAM, BECAUSE THE
11:52:43AM FLOW IS EXCEEDED THE CITY'S WATER SUPPLY DEMANDS.
11:52:46AM WE STARTED TO GET NO FLOW DAYS STARTING IN 1970s.
11:52:51AM THIS GRAPHIC IS FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS AND YOU CAN SEE THERE
11:52:55AM IS TREMENDOUS VARIATION IN THE NUMBER OF NO FLOW DAYS PER
11:52:58AM YEAR AT THE DAM.
11:52:59AM DURING DRY YEARS LIKE 1999 TO 2001, OVER 250 DAYS OF NO
11:53:06AM KNOW.
11:53:06AM IN 2003 AND 2004, VERY LOW VALUES.
11:53:10AM AND PARTICULARLY, LOOK AT YEARS 2014 AND 2015.
11:53:13AM THESE WERE THE WET YEARS WHEN NUMBERS FLOW OVER THE DAM FOR
11:53:17AM NEARLY ALL OF THE YEAR.
11:53:18AM LET'S LOOK AT THESE THREE YEARS JUST TO MAKE A POINT.
11:53:22AM THE NUMBER OF NO FLOW AND NO FLOW DAYS PER YEAR AT THE
11:53:26AM HILLSBOROUGH RIVER DAM FOR THREE CONSECUTIVE YEARS.
11:53:29AM YOU CAN SEE IN 2014, FLOW OVER 334 DAYS.
11:53:33AM NOW KEEP IN MIND, THE -- SIMILAR IN 2015.
11:53:38AM WHEN FLOW OVER THE DAM, THERE IS NO NEED FOR RECLAIMED WATER
11:53:41AM FOR MINIMUM FLOWS OR TO DROUGHT-PROOF THE RESERVOIR.
11:53:44AM YET SENATE BILL 64 SAYING DURING YEARS LIKE THIS, YOU HAVE
11:53:50AM TO REROUTE 50 MGD OF TREATED WASTEWATER WHEN THERE IS NO
11:53:56AM NEED FOR IT.
11:53:56AM THAT THE BIG DILEMMA WE HAVE.
11:54:00AM THE CITY USING THE WATER SUPPLY IS DIFFERENT THAN MOST OF
11:54:03AM THE MUNICIPALITIES ON THE STATE TO DEAL WITH THIS.
11:54:06AM THIS IS WHAT WE HAD TO CONSIDER.
11:54:08AM WHAT WOULD WE DO?
11:54:09AM IN SOME OF THE EARLY TAP OR PURE DOCUMENTS, THE CITY
11:54:12AM CONSIDERED, WELL, DURING WET WEIRD LIKE IN, AQUIFER STORAGE
11:54:18AM RECOVERY.
11:54:19AM TREAT THE WATER TO HIGH STANDARDS AND PUT IT INTO THE
11:54:22AM GROUND.
11:54:22AM CURRENTLY THE CITY DOES AQUIFER RECOVERY AT TREATED RIVER
11:54:27AM WATER AT THREE MILLION GALLON AS DAY.
11:54:31AM KEEP IN MIND TREATED WASTEWATER HAVE THAN NATURAL WATER.
11:54:38AM NANCY STEVENS WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT.
11:54:40AM POTENTIALLY WHEN YOU MINUTES REVERSE OSMOSIS, VERY
11:54:44AM AGGRESSIVE AND WATER TREATMENT PROCESSES TO REDUCE THOSE
11:54:47AM CONSTITUENTS AND WILL BE VERY COSTLY.
11:54:50AM RECLAIMED WATER HAS A LOT OF PROMISE TO HELP US MEET OUR
11:54:54AM WATER SUPPLY I DID HANDS, BUT YOU WANT TO DO IT IN
11:54:57AM QUANTITIES THAT ARE ACTUALLY NEEDED.
11:54:59AM NOT BECAUSE SOMEONE IN TALLAHASSEE SAYS WE HAVE TO DO
11:55:04AM SOMETHING WITH 50 MGD EVERY YEAR.
11:55:06AM SO THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION IN OUR DOCUMENT SAYS THE
11:55:12AM QUANTITY OF DISCHARGE FROM THE CITY'S ADVANCED WASTEWATER
11:55:15AM TREATMENT PLANT ELIMINATED AND REROUTED BE ALLOW TO VARY ON
11:55:18AM A SEASONAL AND YEARLY BASIS.
11:55:20AM YEARLY AVERAGES OF QUANTITIES SHOULD BE ALLOWED.
11:55:25AM WATER MANAGEMENT 101 AND SENATE BILL 46 DOES NOT ALLOW IT.
11:55:31AM IS SIMPLY DOESN'T.
11:55:33AM I RUN THIS PAST WATER PROFESSIONALS AND THEY SAY, NO, THIS
11:55:37AM IS VERY REASONABLE.
11:55:38AM AND SIMPLE.
11:55:39AM PARTICULARLY CITY OF TAMPA WILL NEED TO VARY THEIR
11:55:42AM OPERATIONS BASED ON WET YEARS AND DRY YEARS TO MAKE THIS
11:55:45AM ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE AND TO MINIMIZE RISK.
11:55:47AM THE SECOND RECOMMENDATION IS THAT -- THE SECOND
11:55:57AM RECOMMENDATION IS THE CITY NOT BE REQUIRED TO ELIMINATE AN
11:56:00AM AVERAGE OF 50 MGD FROM ADVANCED WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT
11:56:04AM BY 2022.
11:56:06AM LOWER AVERAGE CAN BE DETERMINED ON YEARLY NEEDS ASSESS 789.
11:56:10AM WE WILL TALK OF YEARLY NEEDS ASSESSMENT AFTERWARDS.
11:56:13AM PERSONALLY WHAT I DESCRIBED WILL BE ENOUGH JUSTIFICATION TO
11:56:16AM GET THE CITY OUT OF THE 50 MGD REQUIREMENT, BUT ANOTHER
11:56:21AM AVENUE THAT MAKES SENSE HYDROLOGICALLY AND ECOLOGICALLY.
11:56:25AM ALLOWS FOR DISCHARGES TO CONTINUE WITH A BENEFICIAL
11:56:29AM ECOLOGICAL EFFECT.
11:56:30AM NARROWLY DEFINED, BUT THIS COULD BE DETERMINED FOR TAMPA
11:56:35AM BAY.
11:56:35AM LET ME JUST SAY FRESH WATER FLOW HAS MANY IMPORTANT
11:56:39AM ECOLOGICAL FUNCTIONS IN ESTUARY.
11:56:43AM TAMPA BAY IS A ESTUARY BY DEFENSE NEWS A MIX OF FRESH AND
11:56:48AM SALT WATER.
11:56:48AM THE ESTUARY ECOLOGY IS VAST.
11:56:53AM THREE DIFFERENT PROCEEDINGS AND COMBINATIONS ASSIGN
11:56:56AM SCIENTIFIC PAPERS ON THE SUBJECT.
11:56:58AM THE MOST IMPORTANT IS FISHERY PRODUCTION.
11:57:01AM AND SPECIES THAT SUPPORT OUR FISHERIES ARE HE IS STAR REHN
11:57:07AM DEPENDENT AND FRESH WATER FLOW.
11:57:09AM KEEP IN MIND THE HOWARD F. CURREN PLANT REPLACE AS PORTION
11:57:14AM OF FLOW THAT GOES TO TAMPA BAY.
11:57:16AM AND -- THIS IS IMPORTANT -- A PRACTICAL WATER MANAGEMENT
11:57:20AM PERSPECTIVE, IN THE ECOLOGICAL ROLE OF FRESH WATER TO TAMPA
11:57:23AM BAY CAN BE RIGHTFULLY RECOGNIZED, THEN A MORE BALANCED AND
11:57:28AM COMPREHENSIVE AMENDMENT TO SENATE BILL 64 AND GIVE THE CITY
11:57:32AM MORE FLEXIBILITY TO PURSUE RECLAIMED WATER PROJECT THAT MAKE
11:57:35AM GOOD SENSE FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.
11:57:37AM THE CITY ASKED ME TO CONSIDER THIS QUESTION.
11:57:39AM AND BACK IN THE SUPPER OF 2002, CHUCK WEBER PUT IT ON THE
11:57:44AM TABLE.
11:57:44AM ARE THERE ECOLOGICAL BENEFITS OF FLOWS TO THE BAY.
11:57:50AM AND I WROTE A 20-PAGE REPORT.
11:57:52AM I SUBMITTED THE DRAFT AND THEY MADE EDITS WHICH I AGREED
11:57:57AM WITH AND MADE SUBSEQUENT REVISIONS.
11:57:59AM WE SUBMITTED IT TO THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT
11:58:02AM TEMPLE TERRACE SOUTHWEST DISTRICT OFFICE NO NOVEMBER OF '22.
11:58:05AM THE CITY ADMINISTRATION DID THAT, THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
11:58:08AM BUT THE CITY SAID, WE ARE NOT TAKING A POSITION ON THIS.
11:58:13AM WE ARE LOOKING FOR AN ANSWER FROM DEP.
11:58:15AM DEP REPLIED A WEEK LATER AND SAID NO, THERE IS NOT.
11:58:19AM CHUCK WEBER REPLIED.
11:58:21AM CAN YOU TELL US WHY?
11:58:22AM THE ANSWER WE GOT FROM DEP WAS NOT TECHNICAL AT BASE.
11:58:26AM IT WAS SIMPLY BUREAUCRATIC.
11:58:28AM SENATE BILL 64 SAYS THAT ECOLOGICAL BENEFITS CAN BE FOR
11:58:32AM WATER, MINIMUM FLOW AND LEVELS.
11:58:34AM THIS DISCHARGE IS TO A MARINE LOCATION.
11:58:36AM THERE IS NO MINIMUM FLOW THERE.
11:58:38AM THEREFORE, WE CAN'T CONSIDER THAT.
11:58:41AM THIS WAS AN INTERPRETATION OF THE LANGUAGE OF 64.
11:58:44AM NOT THE MERITS OF THE ECOLOGICAL ARGUMENT I MADE.
11:58:50AM BE THAT AS IT MAY.
11:58:51AM I CAN TELL YOU I WORKED IN MINIMUM FLOWS FOR 30 YEARS.
11:58:54AM THE FACT THIS DISCHARGE OF TAMPA BAY 2.5 MILES DOWNSTREAM OF
11:59:00AM THE MOUTH OF THE RIVER DOES NOT NEGATE ITS ECOLOGICAL
11:59:04AM BENEFITS.
11:59:05AM WE SIMPLY PROPOSE THAT DEP USES SITE SPECIFIC INFORMATION TO
11:59:09AM EVALUATE IF THERE IS FRESH WATER INFLOW EFFECT.
11:59:14AM THESE ARE WATER BODIES THAT DON'T HAVE MINIMUM FLOWS.
11:59:18AM I WANT TO MAKE THIS NEXT POINT VERY CLEARLY.
11:59:20AM IF WE RECOGNIZE THE ECOLOGICAL BENEFITS, DOES NOT MEAN THAT
11:59:24AM ALL THIS DISCHARGE HAS TO STAY IN PLACE.
11:59:26AM AS OUR DOCUMENT SAYS, IT IS VERY LIKELY THAT THE SIGNIFICANT
11:59:30AM QUANTITIES OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT CAN BE REMOVED
11:59:34AM BOUGHT CAUSING IMPACT TO THE BAY.
11:59:36AM BUT THE ECOLOGICAL BENEFITS ARE RECOGNIZED, IT GIVES THE
11:59:40AM CITY A FLEXIBILITY TO EVALUATE QUANTITIES THAT ARE
11:59:44AM BENEFICIAL, COST EFFECTIVE AND MINIMIZE IMPACT TO RESOURCES.
11:59:48AM LET ME GIVE YOU A HYPOTHETICAL EXAMPLE.
11:59:51AM LET'S SAY THE CITY SAYS WE CAN USE 25 OF RECLAIMED WATER IN
11:59:55AM DRY YEARS AND 10 MGD DURING WET YEARS.
11:59:58AM YOU CAN VERY WELL SHOW YOU HAVE TO DO A BUNCH OF GOOD
12:00:01PM ANALYSES, PROBABLY WILL BE OKAY TO TAKE THAT WATER AWAY FROM
12:00:05PM THE BAY, BUT THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT COIN IS EXTREMELY
12:00:09PM IMPORTANT.
12:00:09PM WILL BE OKAY IF THE REMAINING WATER STAYED.
12:00:11PM THIS TRULY MAKES ECOLOGICAL SENSE AND WATER MANAGEMENT
12:00:16PM SENSE.
12:00:16PM AGAIN, WE THINK IF WE DO THIS, WE WILL GIVE THE CITY THE
12:00:20PM ABILITY TO MAKE MORE BALANCE AND A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH
12:00:24PM FOR THE WASTEWATER AND CONSIDER THE REQUESTS TO TAMPA BAY.
12:00:27PM AGAIN DEP CAN USE SITE-SPECIFIC INFORMATION.
12:00:30PM SPEAKING OF ECOLOGY.
12:00:36PM I WILL GET TO THIS SLIDE IN JUST A MINUTE.
12:00:38PM LET'S KIND OF IGNORE IT FOR NOW.
12:00:41PM A GREAT DEAL OF ATTENTION, RIGHTLY SO, TO REDUCE NITROGEN
12:00:47PM LOADING TO TAMPA BAY.
12:00:49PM TAMPA BAY HAS BEEN A SUCCESS STORY OF NITROGEN UNLOADING.
12:00:55PM AND HATS OFF TO THE TAMPA BAY ESTUARY PROGRAM FOR ORGANIZED
12:00:59PM EFFORTS TO REDUCE NITROGEN LOADING.
12:01:02PM HAVING SAID THAT, THE BIGGER FACTOR IS STILL GOING TO
12:01:06PM ADVANCED TERTIARY TREATMENT IN 19789.
12:01:10PM OTHER AREAS HAVE DONE METHODS AS WELL.
12:01:12PM AS YOU HEARD, IN RECENT YEARS DECLINE OF SEAGRASS IN THE
12:01:16PM BAY.
12:01:16PM MOST OF THE LOSS IN OLD TAMPA BAY NORTH OF COURTNEY CAMPBELL
12:01:22PM CAUSEWAY.
12:01:23PM AND A DROP IN HILLSBOROUGH BAY AND A NUMBER OF FACTORS CAN
12:01:28PM BE INVOLVED.
12:01:28PM THE PEAK IN HILLSBOROUGH BAY IN 2013 AND 2015.
12:01:33PM AT THAT TIME, THE AVERAGE DISCHARGE FROM THE WASTEWATER
12:01:35PM TREATMENT PLANT WAS 58 MGD.
12:01:39PM THE DECLINE OF SEAGRASS COVERAGE OCCURRED BETWEEN 2017 AND
12:01:44PM 2021.
12:01:44PM AT THAT TIME THE AVERAGE DISCHARGE 52 MGD AND OTHER FACTORS
12:01:51PM INVOLVED.
12:01:51PM WITH REGARD TO A COMMENT ARE, WE CAN'T UNDERSTATEMENT WET
12:01:56PM AND DRY YEARS.
12:01:57PM TAMPA BAY HAS A WATER SHED OF 212 SQUARE MILES.
12:02:00PM MORE NUTRIENT LOADING DURING WET YEARS AND LESS THIS DRY
12:02:04PM YEARS.
12:02:04PM WE HAD A NUMBER -- NOT THIS YEAR, BUT UP TO HERE, A SERIES
12:02:07PM OF WET YEARS THAT HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THIS.
12:02:10PM SO NOW TO THIS SLIDE.
12:02:11PM THIS IS INTERESTING.
12:02:12PM COLLABORATION WITH THE TAMPA BAY ESTUARY PROGRAM, DEP SET UP
12:02:18PM MANAGE TARGETS FOR HILLSBOROUGH BAY.
12:02:25PM HORIZONTAL REFERENCE BAR.
12:02:27PM YOU SEE LOW DOTS, THAT IS A GOOD THING.
12:02:31PM IT IS BEING MET.
12:02:32PM ONE ON THE TOP -- LET ME SAY TOO.
12:02:35PM THE SCALES IS HARD TO READ SO I PUT IN 2005 AS A REFERENCE
12:02:39PM POINT.
12:02:39PM THE TOP ONE HYDROLOGICALLY OF NITROGEN OF HILLSBOROUGH BAY.
12:02:44PM YOU CAN SEE SINCE 20050, 5 IT HAS BEEN MET.
12:02:48PM SINCE 2007, IT WAS MET EVERY YEAR EXCEPT ONE.
12:02:51PM COMING DOWN NEXT IS CHLOROPHYLL A IN THE WATER COLUMN.
12:02:55PM A MEASURE OF THE ALGAE IN THE WATER COLUMN.
12:02:57PM YOU CAN SEE IT HAS BEEN JUST EXCEEDED THE DATE ONLY THREE
12:03:01PM TIMES SINCE 1999.
12:03:03PM LESLIE FOR THE EXTENSION OF LIGHTS AND IT IS GOOD.
12:03:10PM MET EVERY YEAR SINCE 1999.
12:03:12PM THESE ARE WATER QUART TARGETS RELATED TO NITROGEN LOAD TO
12:03:18PM HILLSBOROUGH BAY.
12:03:18PM THE BAY IS DOING PRETTY DARN GOOD.
12:03:21PM I JUST WANT TO SAY, THERE HAVE BEEN CAUSES FOR THE SEAGRASS
12:03:25PM DECLINE.
12:03:25PM BUT I WANT TO EMPHATICALLY SAY OUR GROUP AND ME WERE, WE ARE
12:03:30PM AS CONCERNED FOR THE WATER QUALITY OF TAMPA BAY AS MUCH AS
12:03:33PM ANYBODY.
12:03:34PM I GREW UP TWO BLOCKS FROM TAMPA BAY.
12:03:36PM AQUATIC ECOLOGY IS MY CAREER AND WE WANT TO SUPPORT THAT BY
12:03:41PM ALL MEANS.
12:03:42PM WE SUPPORT BENEFICIAL RECLAIMED WATER PROJECTS.
12:03:44PM BUT WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL IN THIS RATIONALE EXPRESSED
12:03:50PM IF YOU SUPPORT REDUCTION IN NITROGEN LOADING AND SUPPORT
12:03:54PM RECLAIMED WATER USE, YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT SENATE BILL 64 AT
12:03:57PM FACE VALUE.
12:03:59PM LOCK, STOCK AND BARREL.
12:04:01PM EVERY ASPECT OF IT.
12:04:02PM WE DON'T AGREE WITH THIS.
12:04:04PM WE THINK THE SENATE BILL HAS PROBLEMS THAT NEED TO BE
12:04:07PM REMEDIED.
12:04:08PM AND COULD BE MODIFIED TO GIVE THE CITY BETTER FLEXIBILITY TO
12:04:13PM MEET RECLAIMED WATER DEMANDS AND PROTECT THE BAY.
12:04:16PM I WANT TO EMPHASIZE, WE ARE NOT SUGGESTING THAT THE CITY BE
12:04:20PM EXEMPTED FROM SENATE BILL 64, JUST SOME COMMON SENSE
12:04:24PM APPROACHES THAT DEP CAN USE TO GIVE THEM MORE FLEXIBILITY.
12:04:28PM WHERE HE THINK THAT IS A VERY WORTHWHILE THING.
12:04:32PM SO IN SUPPORT OF NITROGEN-LOAD REDUCTION STRATEGIES.
12:04:37PM ONE OF OUR RECOMMENDATION IS AS FOLLOWS: AS PART OF THE NEED
12:04:41PM FOR WATER RECLAIMED WATER PROJECT, NUTRIENT LOAD IN THE AWT
12:04:48PM PLANTS ARE NEEDED TO HAVE ECOLOGICAL CHARACTERISTICS OF
12:04:51PM TAMPA BAY, THAT CAN BE PURSUED BY OTHER METHODS, ADDITIONAL
12:04:56PM TREATMENT OF THE CITY'S RECHARGE TO DECREASE CONCENTRATIONS
12:05:00PM AND LOADING. THESE CAN BE INDEPENDENT OF RECLAIMED WATER
12:05:04PM PROJECT.
12:05:04PM BUT IF YOU HAVE A FEASIBLE RECLAIMED WATER PROJECT THAT
12:05:07PM REDUCES THE LOAD BY 20%, YOU CAN DO THAT IN ADDITION TO
12:05:11PM THAT.
12:05:11PM IT CAN BE STAND ALONE OR IN ADDITION TO RECLAIMED WATER
12:05:15PM PROJECTS.
12:05:15PM THE INTERESTING THINKING -- I AM GLAD WE ARE TALKING OF THE
12:05:18PM SECTION PROJECT TODAY.
12:05:19PM IF THE CITY -- THE SIX PROJECT TODAY.
12:05:23PM IF THE CITY CAN REDUCE THE NITROGEN LOAD IN TAMPA BAY BY
12:05:29PM REDUCE NUTRIENT IN DISCHARGE, WILL GIVE THEM NO CREDIT IN
12:05:34PM MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF SENATE BILL 64.
12:05:36PM SENATE BILL 64 IS THE ELIMINATE OF DISCHARGE.
12:05:40PM IMPROVING THOSE NITROGEN CONCENTRATIONS NO CREDIT TOWARD
12:05:45PM SENATE BILL 64.
12:05:46PM WE THINK THE POLICIES NEED BY AWT NEED TO BE IMPROVED.
12:05:54PM I AM TOWARD THE END.
12:05:55PM OUR GOAL FOR CLARIFICATION AND IMPROVED REGULATORY
12:05:59PM PROCEDURES OF SENATE BILL 64 TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
12:06:01PM TO GIVE THE CITY OF TAMPA THE OPERATIONAL FLEXIBILITY TO
12:06:05PM EVALUATE AND IMPLEMENT RECLAIMED WATER PROJECTS IN QUANTITY
12:06:08PM FEES THAT ARE TRULY NEEDED, COST EFFECTIVE, SAFE, AND
12:06:12PM PROTECTIVE OF THE REGION'S NATURAL RESOURCES INCLUDING TAMPA
12:06:18PM BAY.
12:06:18PM THIS NEXT SLIDE IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AS WELL.
12:06:21PM OUR PROPOSAL DOES NOT PRECLUDE THE PURSUIT OF RECLAIMED
12:06:26PM WATER PROJECTS USING THE AWT DISCHARGE FOR STRATEGIES FOR
12:06:32PM TAMPA BAY.
12:06:32PM ON A YEARLY BASIS, THE CITY WILL SUBMIT PLANS FOR F DEP FOR
12:06:38PM SOME TO REROUTE THE DISCHARGE AND EVALUATES ALL IMPORTANT
12:06:43PM FACTORS.
12:06:43PM IF TAMPA BAY WATER NEEDS WATER IN TWO OR THREE YEARS YOU CAN
12:06:47PM WORK THAT INTO EQUATION.
12:06:49PM EVERY YEAR LOOK INTO OUR CUSTOMERS AND SUBMIT THIS TO DEP.
12:06:53PM THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN SAYING WE NEED TO MOVE 50 MGD OF
12:06:57PM WASTEWATER IN EIGHT AND A HALF YEARS.
12:06:58PM EACH PLAN WILL EXAMINE THE SAFETY, COST AND RELATIVE FACTORS
12:07:04PM AND INCLUDE ASSESSMENT OF THE PLAN ON THE WATER QUALITY AND
12:07:07PM CHARACTERISTICS OF TAMPA PAY.
12:07:08PM BOTH THESE SETS OF ANALYSES WITH THE BEST SCIENTIFIC TECH
12:07:12PM MAKE ANY AND WE ARE ALL ABOUT GOOD SCIENCE.
12:07:14PM YOUR REVIEW SOUNDS GOOD TO US.
12:07:17PM APART FROM RECLAIMED WATER PROJECTS, NUTRIENT LOAD TO HELP
12:07:22PM WITH THE BAY INCLUDING WATER QUALITY TREATMENT.
12:07:25PM SO MY LAST SLIDE.
12:07:28PM WE HAVE THE DRAFT DOCUMENT TO SUPPORT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS,
12:07:33PM WHICH WILL BE DISTRIBUTED IN SEPTEMBER TO VARIOUS PARTS IN
12:07:36PM THE TAMPA AREA FOR REVIEW AND COMMENT BEFORE SUBMITTAL
12:07:40PM TO DEP.
12:07:40PM GREATER STATEWIDE AND REGIONAL APPLICATION NAY BE POSSIBLE,
12:07:44PM BUT THE EMPHASIS AT THIS TIME IS ON THE CITY OF TAMPA'S
12:07:47PM DISCHARGE AT THEIR HOWARD F. CURREN WASTEWATER TREATMENT
12:07:52PM PLANT AND FOR THE CITY MANAGING THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY OF
12:07:56PM TAMPA BAY.
12:07:57PM FRANKLY WE DID AMENDMENTS TO THE FLORIDA STATUTE THAT ARE
12:08:00PM VERY SIMPLE AND STRAIGHTFORWARD AND WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THAT
12:08:04PM ROUTE.
12:08:04PM APPLIED BY DEP TO THE CITY OF TAMPA, I THINK IT WILL BE A
12:08:07PM BIG, BIG WIN FOR TAMPA BAY, THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA, AND THE
12:08:12PM CAREFUL MANAGEMENT PROTECTION OF THOSE WATER RESOURCES.
12:08:15PM BY ALL MEANS, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.
12:08:17PM IF YOU DON'T HAVE THEM TODAY, CONTACT US.
12:08:20PM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
12:08:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:08:22PM MISS STEVENS YOU HAD SOME MORE SLIDES.
12:08:29PM >> THANK YOU, NANCY STEVENS, TAMPA BAY PLACEBO CONSERVATION
12:08:33PM COMMITTEE CHAIR.
12:08:34PM AND THANKS TO SID FOR ALL THE WORK.
12:08:38PM IF YOU WERE PAYING HIM, YOU WOULD OWE HIM A LOT OF THE MONEY
12:08:42PM FOR THE TIME HE HAS PUT IN.
12:08:43PM I WANTED TO WRAP THIS UP BY TALKING -- RE-EMPHASIZING WHY WE
12:08:47PM NEED SENATE BILL 64'S FLEXIBILITY.
12:08:50PM FIRST, I WANT TO SAY JUST WHAT SID SAID, FLEXIBILITY DOESN'T
12:08:57PM PREVENT US FROM USING RECLAIMED WATER BENEFICIALLY FOR USES
12:09:02PM THAT TAMPA NEEDS.
12:09:02PM FLEXIBILITY DOES NOT PREVENT US FROM HELPING TO REDUCE THE
12:09:05PM NUTRIENTS IN TAMPA BAY.
12:09:07PM RATHER, FLEXIBILITY GIVES TAMPA MORE ORGANIZATIONS TO MEET
12:09:11PM OUR WATER NEEDS AND TO USE OUR RECLAIMED WATER TO MEET OUR
12:09:15PM MOST PRESSING NEEDS.
12:09:16PM TAMPA PRODUCES ABOUT 52 MILLION GALLONS A DAY ON AVERAGE OF
12:09:23PM WASTEWATER AS SID POINTED OUT.
12:09:26PM NEVER BEEN SHOWN THAT WE NEED THAT MUCH ADDITIONAL WATER.
12:09:29PM AS SID POINTED OUT, OUR NEED VARIES SEASONALLY AND YEAR BY
12:09:34PM YEAR.
12:09:35PM SOME YEARS WE HARDLY NEED IT AT ALL.
12:09:37PM AND THE OTHER POINT I WANT TO MAKE AND GO INTO A LITTLE MORE
12:09:44PM DEPTH, WASTEWATER HAS CONTAMINANTS AND THE BENEFICIAL USE
12:09:48PM THESE CONTAMINANTS HAVE TO BE REMOVED.
12:09:51PM MOST DOS COST EFFECTIVE.
12:09:54PM WE LOOK TO THE CITY FOR THE RECLAIMED WATER WHERE IT IS MOST
12:09:58PM NEEDED AND TREAT APPROPRIATE FOR ITS USE.
12:10:00PM SECOND SLIDE.
12:10:01PM AGAIN, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT WASTEWATER HAS CONTAMINANTS
12:10:09PM -- SORRY, GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
12:10:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU HAVE THE CONTROL.
12:10:14PM THE WHITE BUTTON.
12:10:15PM THERE WE GO.
12:10:16PM >> I HAVE CONTROL.
12:10:18PM THAT IS NICE.
12:10:19PM TREATED WASTEWATER -- SO I WANT HAD TO EMPHASIZE THAT
12:10:23PM WASTEWATER HAS CONTAMINANTS THAT ARE NOT IN THE RIVER.
12:10:27PM SOME OF THE CONTAMINANTS THAT ARE IN THE RIVER, HAVE THEM AT
12:10:30PM HIGHER CONCENTRATIONS.
12:10:32PM THAT IS OUR -- THAT IS THE WATER USED FOR OUR DRINKING
12:10:37PM WATER.
12:10:37PM ALSO THAT MANY CONTAMINANTS OF CONCERN -- THERE ARE MANY
12:10:42PM CONTAMINANTS IN CONCERN FROM THE WASTEWATER THAT IS NOT IN
12:10:46PM THE DRINKING WATER AND HAS CONCENTRATIONS.
12:10:50PM NOT KNOWING WHAT THE LEVELS OF THE CONCENTRATION ARE.
12:10:54PM STANDARDS WILL CHANGE OVER TIME.
12:10:56PM SAFE LEVELS WILL CHANGE OVER TIME AND NEXT SLIDE.
12:11:01PM POINT OUT THE CONTAMINANT IN THE WASTEWATER ARE NOT
12:11:04PM WELL-DOCUMENTED A STUDY DONE FOR TAP.
12:11:06PM THEY TOOK ABOUT 12 SAMPLES IN 2018, 2019, OF VARIOUS
12:11:12PM CONTAMINANTS.
12:11:13PM THAT IS PRETTY MUCH THE DOCUMENTATION THAT WE HAVE.
12:11:17PM WE DON'T KNOW THEY GOT ALL THE CONTAMINANTS ON ITS
12:11:20PM WASTEWATER.
12:11:21PM INDUSTRIAL WASTE IN THE WASTEWATER.
12:11:23PM AND COMPLETE STUDY HAS NOT BEEN DONE OF THE INDUSTRIAL WASTE
12:11:28PM AND THE CONTAMINANT LEVELS THAT THE INDUSTRY HAS PUT INTO
12:11:32PM THE WASTEWATER STREAM.
12:11:34PM AND NO SYSTEM IN PLACE TO MONITOR AND CONTROL THOSE WASTES
12:11:37PM FROM THE INDUSTRIES.
12:11:37PM SO WE WILL NEVER KNOW -- UNLESS WE DO THAT, WE DON'T KNOW
12:11:41PM WHAT CONTAMINANTS ARE IN THE WASTEWATER DAY BY DAY AND HOW
12:11:46PM MUCH WILL NEED TO BE REMOVED.
12:11:47PM TO GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE OF A CONTAMINANT THAT.
12:11:50PM >> IN THE WASTEWATER, IT IS PFAS, ALSO KNOWN AS FOREVER
12:11:56PM CHEMICALS, BECAUSE THEY DEGRADE VERY SLOWLY IN THE
12:11:59PM ENVIRONMENT AND IN THE BODY.
12:12:00PM THE EPA SET A NEW STANDARD -- OR PROPOSING A NEW STANDARD
12:12:07PM FOR PFAS IN DRINKING WATER.
12:12:10PM AND -- FIRST, I WANT TO SAY THAT PFAS CONTAINS -- OVER
12:12:17PM 15,000 DIFFERENT COMPOUNDS.
12:12:18PM FAMILY OF COMPOUNDS.
12:12:19PM EPA SET STANDARDS FOR SIX OF THEM OUT OF 15,000.
12:12:23PM THERE ARE THOUSANDS THAT WON'T BE STANDARDIZED JUST YET.
12:12:26PM BUT SOME OF THEM ARE BEING MONITORED.
12:12:29PM TWO OF THE COMPOUNDS, PFAS IS FOUR PARTS PER TRILLION.
12:12:35PM AS YOU SEE IN THE SLIDE, TAMPA'S WASTEWATER EXCEEDS THAT.
12:12:39PM THESE ARE FROM THE STUDIES DONE FOR TAP.
12:12:41PM AND YOU CAN ALSO FROM THE SLIDE THAT THE -- THAT THE LEVELS
12:12:45PM OF FPAS IS MUCH HIGHER THAN THE DRINKING WATER.
12:12:53PM LOOKING AT THIS ONE CONTAMINANT, BOTH OF THESE COMPOUNDS HAD
12:13:01PM TO BE REMOVED AT GREAT EXPENSE.
12:13:03PM REVERSE OSMOSIS HAS BEEN USED IN OTHER CITIES IF THAT WORKS
12:13:08PM FOR THOSE LEVELS AND IF YOU WANT TO GET AN ESTIMATE OF THE
12:13:11PM COST OF THAT.
12:13:12PM FOR TAMPA, ITS -- THE ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE A
12:13:18PM COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THEY ESTIMATED IT WOULD COST OVER $5
12:13:21PM BILLION OVER 30 YEARS FOR CAPITAL AND OPERATIONS TO
12:13:23PM IMPLEMENT REVERSE OSMOSIS SYSTEM FOR 50 MILLION GALLONS A
12:13:28PM DAY.
12:13:28PM THAT IS WHY WE ARE LOOKING AT ONLY TREATING -- ONLY USING
12:13:33PM WATER WHAT IT IS NEEDED FOR AND TREATING ONLY WHAT IS
12:13:36PM NEEDED.
12:13:36PM SO, AGAIN, JUST MAKES SENSE.
12:13:41PM ONLY USE RECLAIMED WATER THAT WE NEED.
12:13:44PM IT ALSO MAKES SENSE TO USE THE RECLAIMED WATER FOR A VARIETY
12:13:48PM OF BENEFICIAL USES AND SAVE OUR HIGHLY TREATED AAA-RATED
12:13:54PM SAFE POTABLE WATER FOR DRINKING.
12:13:56PM FOR EXAMPLE FROM PURPLE PIPES ARE USED TODAY, IF WE EXTENDED
12:14:02PM THAT SYSTEM, NO ADDITIONAL TREATMENT WOULD BE NECESSARY.
12:14:05PM WE COULD USE THE WATER AS IS.
12:14:08PM IF WE CONTINUE PUTTING THE WATER IN THE BAY, WE SHOULD -- WE
12:14:12PM NEED TO LOOK AT REDUCING THE NUTRIENTS TO IMPROVE THE BAY
12:14:18PM QUALITY.
12:14:18PM IF YOU GO ALL THE WAY TO USING THE WASTEWATER FOR DRINKING
12:14:22PM WATER, THAT OPENS UP A WHOLE SET OF ISSUES OF WHAT
12:14:26PM CONTAMINANTS ARE IN THE WATER.
12:14:28PM HOW THEY NEEDED TO BE TREATED. WHAT IS THE SAFE LEVEL OF
12:14:33PM CONTAMINANTS.
12:14:34PM WE HAVE SELF-RISKS AND SAFETY RISKS AND ADDITIONAL COST
12:14:38PM BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO AT LEAST REVERSE OSMOSIS TO MAKE IT
12:14:42PM CLEAN.
12:14:42PM SO FLEXIBILITY, REUSING ONLY WHAT IS NEEDED TO KEEP OUR
12:14:46PM WATER SAFE AND COST EFFECTIVE IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR.
12:14:50PM AGAIN, SO WE NEED SB64 FLEXIBILITY TO MANAGE THE SAFETY AND
12:14:56PM THOUGHTS AND TO PROTECT OUR WATER AND NATURAL RESOURCES.
12:14:59PM WE NEED TO QUANTIFY WHAT CONTAMINANTS ARE IN OUR WASTEWATER.
12:15:03PM WE NEED TO QUANTIFY HOW MUCH WE NEED.
12:15:06PM HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL SUPPLY WE TRULY NEED.
12:15:09PM AND WE CAN MAKE A PLAN TO USE WHATEVER IS NEEDED TO MAKE OUR
12:15:13PM WATER COST EFFECTIVE FOR THE CITIZENS AND ENVIRONMENTS OF
12:15:16PM TAMPA.
12:15:17PM THAT IS WHY WE HAVE THIS PROPOSAL TODAY AND ASKING THE CITY
12:15:20PM TO SUPPORT A PROPOSAL FOR FLEXIBILITY.
12:15:24PM UNDER SB64.
12:15:26PM THANK YOU.
12:15:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:15:36PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
12:15:43PM SIR.
12:15:44PM BOTH OF YOU CAN COME TO THE PODIUM.
12:15:46PM AND I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION.
12:15:48PM THE SIERRA CLUB.
12:15:51PM YOU ARE CONSIDERED A CITIZENS LOBBYIST GROUP, AM I CORRECT
12:15:54PM ABOUT THAT?
12:15:55PM >> WELL, WE ARE AN INFORMAL GROUP, A STAKEHOLDER GROUP THAT
12:15:59PM THE CITY OF TAMPA WATER DEPARTMENT PUT TOGETHER.
12:16:01PM AN INFORMAL GROUP THAT THE CITY HAS MEETINGS WITH US.
12:16:05PM >> THE SIERRA CLUB CLUB IS AN ADVOCACY GROUP.
12:16:11PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I LOOKED YOU UP.
12:16:12PM IT SAID YOU ALL ARE CITIZEN LOBBYISTS WITH TRAINING.
12:16:16PM >> NO.
12:16:17PM NOT ME.
12:16:17PM I AM NOT -- I HAVE ON --
12:16:21PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: EDUCATION LOBBYIST IS DIFFERENT THAN PAID
12:16:24PM LOBBYISTS.
12:16:25PM YOU ARE SUPPORTING THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE COMING FROM
12:16:28PM THE SIERRA CLUB ARE PROFESSIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS?
12:16:31PM ARE THEY PEER REVIEWED?
12:16:33PM WHERE DO YOU --
12:16:34PM >> NO, I MEAN, THEY ARE PROFESSIONAL.
12:16:36PM OUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION, BUT WE ARE SENDING IT OUT FOR
12:16:40PM REVIEW.
12:16:40PM BUT WE ARE NOT PROFESSIONAL LOBBYISTS, NO.
12:16:44PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THE TECHNICAL DOCUMENTS TO SUPPORT THE
12:16:47PM RECOMMENDATIONS.
12:16:47PM WHERE IS IT GOING TO COME FROM?
12:16:50PM WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GET THAT INFORMATION FROM?
12:16:52PM >> THE ECOLOGICAL BENEFITS REPORT FROM CITATIONS IN IT.
12:16:57PM AND ALSO A CONSULTANT IN THE AREA THAT DIDN'T AGREE WITH IT.
12:17:00PM IT IS AN APPENDIX TO OUR DOCUMENT AND THEY ARE THE COMMENTS
12:17:04PM FROM THIS OTHER GENTLEMAN ARE APPENDIX TO THE DOCUMENT.
12:17:07PM THESE ARE JUST PROFESSIONAL OPINION BASED ON SCIENTIFIC
12:17:12PM LITERATURE.
12:17:13PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PROFESSIONAL OPINIONS FROM A GROUP OR
12:17:16PM FROM AN INDIVIDUAL?
12:17:17PM >> IN MY CASE, ME AS AN INDIVIDUAL.
12:17:19PM AS A RETIRED ESTUARINE ECOLOGIST AND FORMER EMPLOYEE OF THE
12:17:27PM WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT THAT WORKED ON WATER MANAGEMENT
12:17:31PM ISSUE.
12:17:31PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU ARE LOOKING FOR FLEXIBILITY FROM
12:17:33PM SENATE BILL 64 BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS YOU ARE
12:17:36PM PROVIDING HAVE NOT BEEN PEER REVIEWED.
12:17:39PM I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT, IS THAT CORRECT?
12:17:42PM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
12:17:43PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I THINK I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
12:17:45PM YOUR TECHNICAL DOCUMENTS YOU WILL PROVIDE IN SEPTEMBER?
12:17:48PM >> THE DOCUMENT THAT I SENT TO YOU ALL YESTERDAY IS OUR
12:17:55PM DOCUMENT.
12:17:55PM YOU RECEIVED IT VIA E-MAIL.
12:17:58PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: LAST SLIDES, TECHNICAL DOCUMENTS WILL BE
12:18:01PM DISTRIBUTED IN SEPTEMBER TO VARIOUS PARTIES IN THE TAMPA BAY
12:18:03PM AREA FOR REVIEW AND COMMENT BEFORE SUBMITTAL TO THE F DEP.
12:18:08PM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
12:18:08PM WE WILL SUBMIT IT TO TAMPA BAY WATER, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
12:18:11PM WE WANT TO GET REVIEW OF IT AND WILL SEND IT TO VARIOUS
12:18:14PM PARTIES TO SEE WHAT THEY THINK OF IT.
12:18:16PM IT IS STILL A DRAFT DOCUMENT.
12:18:17PM WE WILL KEEP IT DRAFT FOR AT THAT WHILE AND GET INPUT FROM
12:18:21PM VARIOUS PARTIES IN THE REGION.
12:18:23PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY.
12:18:24PM BASE AND SENATE BILL 64 AND OUR PRESENTATION TODAY, THE
12:18:27PM RECOMMENDATIONS TODAY ARE COMING FROM ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT IS
12:18:31PM CONSIDERED A PROFESSIONAL IN THE AREA.
12:18:33PM >> NOW THERE ARE NINE SIGNATORIES TO OUR DOCUMENT PAGE 12.
12:18:38PM THEY ALL REVIEWED THE DOCUMENT.
12:18:41PM BE DISCUSSED THIS WITH THE CITY.
12:18:43PM NINE INDIVIDUALS SIGNING ON TO THIS AND ON PAGE 12.
12:18:47PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I AM NOT AGREEING OR DISAGREEING AND
12:18:50PM LISTENING TO THE INFORMATION REGARDING WATER.
12:18:52PM A PASSIONATE ISSUE FOR COUNCIL.
12:18:54PM AND THERE ARE LOBBYISTS IN TALLAHASSEE RECORDING WATER.
12:18:59PM CITIZEN LOBBYISTS.
12:19:01PM A PEER REVIEW EVEN FOR YOU TO HAVE CHECKS AND BALANCES WILL
12:19:05PM BE IMPORTANT FOR ME TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION.
12:19:06PM I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION.
12:19:08PM THANK YOU.
12:19:08PM >> CAN I ADD, WE FEEL -- WE DO FEEL WE ARE NOT CONTRADICTING
12:19:14PM SB64.
12:19:16PM I PRINTED THIS OUT THIS MORNING.
12:19:18PM BUT A SUMMARY OF SB64.
12:19:27PM THERE ARE MULTIPLE --
12:19:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE MICROPHONE.
12:19:31PM BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET THE RECORDING.
12:19:34PM >> THERE ARE MULTIPLE -- YOU WILL SEE A LIST OF USES FOR THE
12:19:41PM RECLAIMED WATER THERE.
12:19:42PM AND I HIGHLIGHTED THE LAST ONE, WHICH IS THE ECOLOGICAL
12:19:46PM BENEFITS.
12:19:47PM WE FEEL LIKE WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
12:19:49PM AND SO JUST IN CASE YOU ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE BILL
12:19:54PM ITSELF.
12:19:54PM A BROAD BILL.
12:19:56PM AND IT DOES SOME THINGS TO PROMOTE RECLAIMED WATER FOR
12:20:00PM POTABLE USE, BUT IF THAT IS NOT THE ONLY ASPECT OF THE BILL.
12:20:04PM JUST REUSING THE RECLAIMED WATER FOR MULTIPLE BENEFICIAL
12:20:09PM USES.
12:20:09PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: FROM THE STANDPOINT OF HOW MUCH WE NEED
12:20:12PM IN TERMS OF RECLAIMED WATER.
12:20:14PM IS -- A BEST GUESSTIMATE FROM THE SIERRA CLUB VERSUS --
12:20:22PM >> I AM NOT MAKING ANY -- I HAVE NEVER MADE AN ESTIMATE OF
12:20:26PM THE NEED.
12:20:26PM I WOULD NEVER DO THE ESTIMATE OF THE NEED.
12:20:29PM WE WOULD EXPECT THE CITY TO PROVIDE THAT.
12:20:33PM THE CITY HAS NEVER PROVIDED AN ESTIMATE OF THE NEED.
12:20:35PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY.
12:20:36PM THANK YOU.
12:20:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:20:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANTED TO PROVIDE CON PARTICULARS.
12:20:43PM THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP IS NOT JUST THE SIERRA CLUB CLUB, IT
12:20:46PM IS THE FRIENDS OF THE RIVER, THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS IN
12:20:49PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
12:20:50PM AND MANY OTHERS.
12:20:51PM AND MAJORITY OF YOU ACTUALLY HAVE WATER BACKGROUND, AM I
12:20:56PM CORRECT?
12:20:59PM >> NOT GREATLY.
12:20:59PM A FEW OF US.
12:21:01PM >> A FEW DO.
12:21:02PM BUT WE ARE LEARNING AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
12:21:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO WE DO HAVE PEOPLE WITH -- I JUST WANT TO
12:21:09PM SAY HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE THIS.
12:21:10PM AND THIS DOCUMENT DID COME TO US YESTERDAY.
12:21:13PM AND I PROVIDED JUST THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, BUT IF YOU WANT
12:21:17PM THE WHOLE 12-PAGE DOCUMENT, IT IS IN YOUR E-MAIL.
12:21:21PM AND AGAIN, I THOUGHT THE WHOLE THING WAS A BIT MUCH TO HAVE
12:21:25PM ON THE DAIS, BUT THE BACKGROUND, AND THEN I DID PRINT OUT
12:21:28PM ALL THE SLIDES SO WE COULD WORK AS WITH WE WENT ALONG.
12:21:32PM I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK ON THIS.
12:21:34PM I THINK THIS IS VERY REASONABLE.
12:21:36PM AND I AM JUST SO NOT -- I DON'T KNOW WHY THE CITY IS
12:21:40PM FIGHTING THIS IDEA.
12:21:41PM I THINK THE IDEA OF LOOKING AT WHAT WE NEED AND NOT TREATING
12:21:45PM 50 MILLION GALLONS A DAY WHICH WOULD BE INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE
12:21:51PM COMPARED TO WHAT WE ACTUALLY NEED IS SOMETHING THAT WE
12:21:54PM SHOULD ABSOLUTELY 100% LOOK AT.
12:21:57PM AND I WAS DISAPPOINTED TO GET A LETTER -- AN E-MAIL NOT EVEN
12:22:02PM 24 HOURS LATER SAYING WE ARE JUST NOT GOING TO HAVE THE
12:22:04PM CONVERSATION.
12:22:05PM SO I AM -- I AM JUST DISAPPOINTED THAT WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO
12:22:12PM WORK TOGETHER, THE STAKEHOLDERS AND THE CITY ON LOOK AT HOW
12:22:17PM WE CAN ACTUALLY SATISFY THE THOUGHTS BEHIND THIS, BEHIND
12:22:25PM SENATE BILL 64 WITH THE ACTUAL REALITY.
12:22:28PM AND I THINK THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON MAKES AN INCREDIBLY GOOD
12:22:33PM POINT.
12:22:33PM WE CAN'T SPEND $5 BILLION ON WATER.
12:22:36PM WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THAT.
12:22:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:22:41PM BOY, THE PUBLIC IS WAITING.
12:22:44PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:22:46PM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
12:22:47PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:22:48PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST ANOTHER THINKING FOR BACKGROUND.
12:22:52PM ALTHOUGH THERE ARE MANY ISSUES WHERE WE RELY HEAVILY ON
12:22:56PM STAFF AND WE HAVE GREAT STAFF WORKING FOR THE CITY, EVEN IN
12:23:01PM THE WATER DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE GREAT STAFF.
12:23:02PM BUT -- BUT THE POLICY THAT STAFF PRESENTS IS SET BY SOMEBODY
12:23:07PM IN THE ADMINISTRATION.
12:23:08PM AND I DON'T THINK THE IDEA FROM THIS CAME FROM THE MAYOR.
12:23:13PM THEY CAME FROM SOMEBODY ELSE.
12:23:14PM ANYWAY, WHOEVER CAME UP WITH THEM, THE STAFF HAS BEEN
12:23:18PM PUSHING A PARTICULAR POINT OF VIEW.
12:23:20PM IN OUR LONG DISCUSSIONS AND ARGUMENTS OVER THE YEARS, WE
12:23:24PM FOUND THINGS THAT STAFF SAID THAT WEREN'T TRUE.
12:23:28PM I HAVE A LONG HISTORY IN WATER AS WELL.
12:23:30PM AND -- AND WE HAD EXPERTS FROM THE PUBLIC COME IN.
12:23:35PM I HIRED MY OWN EXPERTS.
12:23:36PM AND AS THINGS HAVE BEEN SAID THAT AREN'T EXACTLY TRUE OR
12:23:43PM FRAMED IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH.
12:23:46PM THE PUBLIC HAVE ASKED -- THE PUBLIC HAVE LOST TRUST.
12:23:52PM AND THIS COMMUNITY WAS SET UP BY STAFF AND WE RELIED ON THEM
12:23:55PM SEPARATELY TO GIVE THEM THIRD PARTY ADVICE AND VALIDATION
12:24:02PM YOU MAY HAVE YOUR OWN PEOPLE.
12:24:04PM BUT THE IDEA TO PRESENT NOT SO THEY HAVE A FINAL WORD BUT AN
12:24:08PM OPINION FROM ANOTHER SOURCE AND IN THIS CASE A MORE
12:24:10PM OBJECTIVE OPINION, BECAUSE THEY ARE NORTHWEST GOING TO MAKE
12:24:13PM ANY MONEY OFF THE DEAL.
12:24:14PM THEY WILL NOT SELL ANYTHING.
12:24:17PM ONE OF THE CONSULTANTS THE CITY HIRED TWO OR THREE YEARS
12:24:21PM AGO.
12:24:21PM I SAY FORGETTING THE PRICE, WHAT IS THE BEST TECHNOLOGY TO
12:24:25PM TREAT THIS WATER.
12:24:25PM THE PERSON -- THE CONSULTANT THAT THE CITY HIRED SAID NOT
12:24:30PM REVERSE OSMOSIS.
12:24:31PM THAT IS NOT WHAT I ASKED.
12:24:33PM I SAID NOT QUESTION IS REVERSE -- WHAT IS THE SAFEST TO USE
12:24:40PM AND SAID NOT REVERSE OWE MOWS SIS AND SAID IT THREE TIMES
12:24:45PM AND DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION.
12:24:46PM SO AS ITS PUBLIC HAVE LOST TRUST IN THE PROCESS ON THE
12:24:53PM SURFACE THERE IS THE YUCK FACTOR BUT DON'T TRUST THE
12:24:55PM PROCESS.
12:24:56PM WE NEED TO BRING OBJECTIVITY.
12:24:59PM PEER REVIEW IS A GREAT THING AND GLAD THESE FOLKS WILL DO
12:25:03PM THAT.
12:25:03PM AS FAR AS I REMEMBER, THE CITY DID ONE PEER REVIEW AND THAT
12:25:06PM WAS THREE YEARS AGO.
12:25:07PM I SAT IN WITH A COUPLE OF MEETINGS OF THE GROUP.
12:25:10PM A COUPLE OF SCIENTISTS AROUND THE COUNTRY.
12:25:12PM THE PROBLEM IS -- I WENT TO GRADUATE SCHOOL TO TRY TO
12:25:16PM UNDERSTAND HOW DO YOU GET THE NUMBERS AND THE ANALYSIS, THE
12:25:19PM SCIENCE AS MR. ROBINSON SAID.
12:25:23PM HOW DO YOU GET SCIENCE TO APPROVE THE RIGHT ANSWER.
12:25:25PM IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THERE ARE IVY LEAGUE THAT ARE
12:25:33PM REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT THAT USE THE SAME MATH AND SCIENCE
12:25:36PM AND GET DIFFERENT ANSWERS.
12:25:37PM HOW IS THAT.
12:25:38PM THE SECRET TO ALL OF THE MATH IS THE MODEL YOU SET UP.
12:25:42PM IF THERE IS BIAS IN THE MODEL, THAT IS THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE
12:25:48PM THE PEER REVIEW WAS ABOUT -- THE PEER REVIEW THAT WAS GIVEN.
12:25:53PM THE MODEL THAT WAS GIVEN.
12:25:56PM IF WE PROCEED WITH THIS PARTICULAR CONFIGURATION, DOES THIS
12:26:00PM MEET THE NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS.
12:26:02PM SO YOU HAD EXPERTS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY THAT WERE
12:26:06PM ANALYZING IT.
12:26:07PM AGAIN, THE MODEL WAS, IF WE HAD THIS CONFIGURATION.
12:26:10PM WE NEVER ASKED THEM AS A CITY, IF THE PROBLEM IS, WHAT DO WE
12:26:15PM DO WITH THE 50 MGD, THE ANSWER WOULD BE COMPLETELY
12:26:19PM DIFFERENT.
12:26:19PM WE ASKED THEM DO YOU THINK IT IS BEST FOR THE CITY TO TAKE
12:26:22PM ON DEBT FOR $5 BILLION OR BETTER FOR TAMPA BAY WATER TO TAKE
12:26:26PM ON THE DEBT AND WE ONLY BUY WHAT WE NEED AND MAKE A PROFIT.
12:26:30PM WE DIDN'T ASK THEM ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
12:26:32PM WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE CONFIGURATION, AND GIVEN A NARROW
12:26:37PM MODEL TO ANALYZE.
12:26:38PM IF YOU TAKE THE GROUP OF THE BEST SCIENTISTS, IF YOU ASK
12:26:41PM THEM TO LOOK AT THAT THAT ARE ROW MODEL, THAT THE ANSWER
12:26:47PM THEY GAVE.
12:26:47PM WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE MODEL BIAS IF THE CITY ENDS UP DOING
12:26:51PM A PEER REVIEW.
12:26:52PM WE NEED TO START LOOKING ECONOMICALLY WITH HEALTH AND
12:26:56PM ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS.
12:26:57PM WHAT THE SAFEST, BEST POLICY TO CREATE FOR OUR RATE PAYERS
12:27:01PM AND WHAT TO DO WITH THIS 50 MGD.
12:27:03PM WE DO THAT WITH THE BEST SCIENTIST AS TOTALLY DIFFERENT
12:27:08PM ANSWER.
12:27:09PM IT MATTERS DATA.
12:27:11PM THE DATA WAS FROM TAP, THE OLD PROJECT FROM FIVE, SIX YEARS
12:27:15PM AGO.
12:27:15PM THE SCIENTISTS COMPLAINED THAT ALL THEY HAD WAS THAT
12:27:19PM MODELING AND DATA.
12:27:21PM THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE BUDGET AND TIMED TO DO ANY FIRSTHAND
12:27:24PM ANALYSIS.
12:27:25PM THEY COULD ONLY RELY ON THE DATA FROM TAP.
12:27:33PM THEY ARE NARROW MODELS THAT DON'T SHOW THE UNIVERSITY OF ALL
12:27:39PM THE THINGS WE DO.
12:27:40PM YOU ALL PUT IN COUNTLESS HOURS AND SOMETHING WOULD YOU
12:27:43PM CHARGE AS A CONSULTANT A COUPLE OF HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS FOR
12:27:47PM AND WE APPRECIATE YOU DO THIS AS FREE.
12:27:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN AND ATHENS MIRANDA.
12:27:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THING IS IMPORTANT.
12:27:57PM THIS RIGHT HERE, A PEN.
12:27:59PM THE PERSON WHO HOLDS THE PEN HAS THE POWER.
12:28:04PM THE MODEL BIAS THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON SUGGESTED.
12:28:09PM EVERYBODY WHO IS SITTING UP WITH ME AND LISTENING WITH ME
12:28:14PM TODAY NEEDS TO LISTEN.
12:28:15PM EVERYTHING THAT WE DO WILL BE BIASED.
12:28:17PM I SEE THAT IN A LOT OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED WHEN THIS ENTIRE
12:28:21PM RECLAIMED WATER PROJECT HAS GONE OFF THE RAILS YEARS AGO AND
12:28:26PM WENT IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
12:28:29PM BECAUSE I THINK MODEL BIAS EXISTED.
12:28:32PM I THINK WE PURSUED AN AGENDA THAT WASN'T IN THE BEST
12:28:35PM INTEREST OF THE CITY OF COMPANY BUT MAYBE HAD SOME OTHER
12:28:38PM FOLKS' INTEREST IN MIND.
12:28:40PM I DON'T SEE US.
12:28:41PM I STILL SEE SOME -- I SEE THAT -- AS MUCH AS I RESPECT A LOT
12:28:45PM OF THE FOLKS ON THE CITY SIDE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THIS, I
12:28:48PM SEE WOVEN IN THIS DISCUSSION A LOT OF THE BIASES FROM YEARS
12:28:54PM GONE BY.
12:28:54PM AND I -- AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE BREAK FREE FROM THAT.
12:28:59PM IT'S -- IT IS A LITTLE FRUSTRATING.
12:29:02PM I MEAN, CLEARLY AN ANSWER OF SOMEWHERE WORKING WITH ALL OF
12:29:07PM THE INTERESTED GROUPS.
12:29:07PM AND KEEPING IN MIND WHAT IS THE BEST FOR THE HEALTH OF THE
12:29:10PM CITY OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND HILLSBOROUGH
12:29:14PM COUNTY OR WITHIN THE ENTIRE TAMPA BAY WATER, YOU KNOW,
12:29:19PM CO-OP, BUT WHAT IS ECONOMICALLY BEST.
12:29:22PM IT IS HARD TO BALANCE HEALTH AND SAFETY WITH ECONOMICS, BUT
12:29:27PM UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE TO ALWAYS FACE THAT CHALLENGE.
12:29:29PM SO SOMETIMES I SEE IN THESE ARGUMENTS WE ARE LOSING THAT.
12:29:33PM I THINK IN THE SENATE BILL, CLEARLY, THE OBJECTIVE OF THE
12:29:39PM REDUCTION OF IF NITROGEN AND PHOSPHOROUS AND THE FOREVER
12:29:49PM CLEM CALLS.
12:29:50PM PEOPLE WHO ARE STEWARDS OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND EVERYTHING
12:29:54PM ELSE THAT SHARES THIS PLANET IS WITH US.
12:29:57PM IT IS INCUMBENT UPON US TO FIX IT AND GET IT OUT.
12:30:01PM IF WE ARE PUTTING IT IN OUR DRINKING WATER AND IN PRESIDENT
12:30:04PM FISH'S DRINKING WATER, IT IS STILL IMPORTANT.
12:30:07PM SO WE HAVE TO COME UP THROUGH TECHNOLOGY A WAY OF BETTER
12:30:11PM FIXING OUR ILLS.
12:30:13PM I AM EXCITED ABOUT WHAT IS NEXT ON THE AGENDA WITH THE
12:30:17PM PROJECT WE HAVE ON THE IONIZATION PROJECT TO SEE HOW THAT
12:30:20PM WORKS AND MAYBE IT WILL BE A STEP FORWARD.
12:30:23PM I THINK TECHNOLOGY.
12:30:24PM WE HAVE TIME.
12:30:25PM TECHNOLOGY IS MOVING US IN PRESIDENT RIGHT PLACES.
12:30:28PM HOPEFULLY WITH REVERSE OSMOSIS MORE AFFORDABLE AND
12:30:32PM SCALABILITY AS TIME GOES BY, I THINK THOSE ARE GREAT
12:30:35PM OPPORTUNITIES.
12:30:35PM BUT SOMEHOW THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE ADMINISTRATION, OUR
12:30:41PM LOBBYISTS AND MAYBE SOME FOLKS UP HERE TOO, WE NEED TO BREAK
12:30:44PM FREE FROM THAT MODEL BIAS AND THOSE ASSUMPTIONS THAT ENTERED
12:30:48PM INTO THE SYSTEM AND START FRESH.
12:30:50PM AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT.
12:30:53PM WE ALL NEED TO GO TO IS A ROPES CLASS AND FIGURE OUT A WAY
12:30:57PM OF BUILDING THAT LEVEL OF -- OF TRUST.
12:31:00PM BUT THIS -- IT SEEMS LIKE THERE HAS GOT TO BE AN ANSWER,
12:31:05PM BECAUSE EVERYBODY THAT DEPENDS ON FRESH DRINKING WATER.
12:31:08PM EVERY ANIMAL THAT LIVES IN OUR ENVIRONMENT.
12:31:10PM AND FOR ALL THE FUTURE GENERATIONS.
12:31:13PM IT IS ON OUR BACKS RIGHT NOW TO FIX THE PROBLEM.
12:31:16PM SO HERE WE ARE.
12:31:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. MIRANDA.
12:31:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM GOING TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT.
12:31:23PM BRAD, YOU GO -- STAY RIGHT THERE SID, NANCY AND MISS STEVENS
12:31:29PM AND MR. BAIRD.
12:31:32PM YEARS AGO, I CALLED BRAD BAIRD.
12:31:34PM WATCHING TV AND TURN TO CHANNEL 3 AND CATCH THE NORTHWEST
12:31:38PM WATER MANAGEMENT FROM PALATKA UP TO JACKSONVILLE AND I
12:31:44PM LISTEN TO THESE GUYS AND THEY ACT LIKE THEY ARE RELATED TO
12:31:48PM PEOPLE IN TALLAHASSEE.
12:31:49PM AND THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME WE ARE TALKING WITH
12:31:52PM TODAY.
12:31:53PM ONE GUY SAYS ALL WE NEED TO DO IS GO UP THERE AND ASK FOR AN
12:31:57PM EXTENSION.
12:31:58PM I NEVER HEARD THAT NOWHERE.
12:32:00PM I'M TELL MYSELF, MAYBE THEY ARE WELL CONNECTED.
12:32:04PM DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU CAN'T ASK FOR AN EXTENSION ON THIS
12:32:07PM 2032.
12:32:08PM SOMEBODY ALREADY SAID THAT I HEARD ON TELEVISION.
12:32:11PM ME WATCHING A WATER THING LIKE I AM NUTS.
12:32:14PM I AM LISTENING TO ANOTHER WATER SOURCE IN THE MIAMI AREA.
12:32:18PM THEY HAD ANOTHER CONVERSATION AND I SAID, WOW, I CAN'T
12:32:25PM BELIEVE WHAT I AM LISTENING TO.
12:32:27PM SOME TIME IN JUNE, JULY, A YEAR OR SO AGO.
12:32:30PM THEN I AM TELLING MYSELF, IF YOU ARE NOT IN TAMPA BAY WATER,
12:32:34PM YOU STILL CANNOT GO DIRECTLY TO S.W.F.W.M.D. LIKE YOU USED
12:32:37PM TO AND ASK FOR A GRANT, IS THAT CORRECT OR NOT?
12:32:42PM >>BRAD BAIRD: THAT'S CORRECT.
12:32:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOW IF YOU ARE IN TAMPA BAY WATER, YOU
12:32:47PM STILL CAN'T GO DIRECT TO THE STATE AND ASK FOR A GRANT, AM I
12:32:54PM CORRECT?
12:32:55PM >>BRAD BAIRD: YOU CAN ASK FOR A CORPORATION BUT NOT A GRANT.
12:32:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: FIRST TO TAMPA BAY WATER, GET THEIR
12:33:02PM BLESSING AND SET IT UP WHEN THEY ARE IN COMPETITION WITH THE
12:33:05PM CITY OF TAMPA.
12:33:06PM NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
12:33:07PM I AM JUST SAYING THAT IS HOW I THINK.
12:33:08PM WHEN I LISTEN TO SOMETHING AND TAKE IT AWAY.
12:33:13PM IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE IF YOU WERE IN OR OUT BY POLICY, I
12:33:19PM RECALL, NOT BY LAW, BUT THAT IS WHAT THE POLICY SAYS.
12:33:22PM WHO DID THE POLICY?
12:33:27PM SOME MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
12:33:29PM THAT IS ALL.
12:33:30PM IF I AM WRONG, CORRECT ME.
12:33:33PM WE CAN NOT ASK ANYBODY ELSE LIKE WE USED TO.
12:33:37PM AND THEN I STARTED THINKING, HELP ME OUT A LITTLE BIT, MY
12:33:40PM LITTLE MIND.
12:33:41PM MY MIND TELLS ME THIS, I WONDER HOW MUCH MONEY IS COLLECTED
12:33:46PM IN THIS AREA THAT GOES S.W.F.W.M.D.
12:33:48PM AND I WONDER HOW MUCH MONEY I GET BACK FROM S.W.F.W.M.D.
12:33:51PM ALWAYS IN MY MIND ASKING ME HOW TO FIND OUT WHERE THE
12:33:55PM FUNDING COMES FROM.
12:33:57PM AND I AM WONDER GOING I SHOULD GO THERE OR NOT.
12:34:00PM NOT WITH YOU FOLKS, BUT WITH THEM.
12:34:02PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT I AM GOING TO DO, BUT SOMETHING HAS BEEN
12:34:05PM ON MY MIND FOR A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.
12:34:07PM AND HOW THEY TREAT THIS AREA COMPARED TO OTHER AREAS WHERE
12:34:11PM THAT MONEY COMES IN AND HOW MUCH MONEY GOES OUT.
12:34:15PM I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER.
12:34:16PM MAYBE 100% BUT I AM AN OLD TYPE GUY.
12:34:21PM YOU NEED TO SHOW ME WHAT IT IS.
12:34:24PM AND RIGHT NOW I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
12:34:27PM GREAT TO SAY SOMETHING COSTS $5 BILLION OR $10 BILLION.
12:34:31PM GUESS WHAT.
12:34:32PM IF THEY DO IT.
12:34:33PM COST THEM $5 BILLION TO $10 BILLION ALSO, WHOEVER "THEY" MAY
12:34:40PM BE.
12:34:40PM IF YOU SPEND MONEY AND CONTROL THE PRODUCT, THEN YOU ALSO
12:34:43PM CONTROL SOMETHING THAT YOU WILL NOT HAVE SOMEBODY SPEND THAT
12:34:45PM MONEY.
12:34:46PM UP GOVERNMENT TO BUY FROM THEM.
12:34:47PM IT IS LIKE VEGETABLES THAT COME FROM A FARM.
12:34:53PM IF YOU BUY IT FROM THE FARMER, IT MIGHT BE FRESHER AND
12:34:57PM BETTER PRICED.
12:34:58PM IF YOU BUY IT AT THE RETAILER MAY STILL BE FRESH, BUT PAY
12:35:03PM THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT.
12:35:04PM THAT IS ALL I AM SAYING.
12:35:05PM THE SAME THING APPLIES TO EVERY COMMODITY THAT THE PUBLIC
12:35:09PM NEEDS TO USE TO SURVIVE.
12:35:10PM THIS IS WHERE I AM STUCK.
12:35:12PM I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS TO WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.
12:35:14PM WE CAN SIT HERE FOREVER.
12:35:17PM WE ALL KNOW WHEN YOU SIGN A CONTRACT, IT DOESN'T END, EVEN
12:35:24PM THOUGH IT ENDS IN 2038, IT DOES NOT.
12:35:28PM YOU KNOW WHY?
12:35:31PM THERE IS ANOTHER SIDE OF THAT CONTRACT THAT SAYS YOU CAN NOT
12:35:33PM GET OUT UNLESS THERE IS NO DEBT.
12:35:37PM I AM NOT SAYING THAT IS RIGHT OR WRONG.
12:35:39PM I AM SAYING THAT IS WHAT THE CONTRACT SAYS.
12:35:42PM BUT IN GOVERNMENT, WE ARE OTHER CONTRACTS AND OTHER AGENCIES
12:35:48PM THAT WE HAVE A CIP TAX AND SPENDS A LOT OF MONEY, BUT NOT TO
12:35:54PM US.
12:35:54PM OUR MONEY IS GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE.
12:35:56PM SO YOU HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF WHAT IS GOING ON.
12:36:00PM AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING AND I AM NOT DISAGREEING WITH
12:36:02PM IT.
12:36:03PM BUT IT HAS TO BE DONE IN A COOPERATIVE AREA WHERE WE DON'T
12:36:08PM LOSE CONTROL OF WHAT WE HAVE AND WE GET BACK% THAT WE SHOULD
12:36:17PM HAVE.
12:36:18PM I DIFFER FROM OTHER PEOPLE.
12:36:20PM NOT FOR TODAY, TOMORROW AND THE NEXT DAY.
12:36:23PM I AGREE WITH SOME OF THESE THINGS, BUT GOT TO BE CODIFIED
12:36:27PM WHATEVER WE ARE GOING TO DO IS TO THE BENEFIT OF THE PEOPLE
12:36:29PM WHO HAS THE PRODUCT TO SELL.
12:36:32PM NOT THE BUYER.
12:36:34PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU DO.
12:36:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ONE QUICK QUESTION.
12:36:39PM MAYBE FOR LEGAL.
12:36:40PM TWO THINGS.
12:36:41PM WHAT IS THE CONSEQUENCES OF NONCOMPLIANCE.
12:36:44PM TWO, WHAT IS THE OPTIONS FOR ASKING FOR AN EXTENSION.
12:36:49PM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
12:36:52PM McLANE EVANS, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
12:36:55PM UNDER THE LOSSES LAW AS IT STANDS TODAY, ENFORCEMENT TO DEP.
12:37:01PM THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO FINE -- IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A
12:37:03PM VIOLATION ELIGIBLE FOR UP TO $15,000-A-DAY FINE.
12:37:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YEAH, THAT IS CHEAPER THAN $5 BILLION,
12:37:13PM YEAH.
12:37:14PM WHAT IS THE PROCESS -- WHAT WOULD BE THE OBJECTION TO
12:37:17PM REQUESTING AN EXTENSION BEYOND THE 2032.
12:37:20PM BECAUSE LOOKS LIKE OUR CRISIS IS MORE LIKE 2050.
12:37:23PM SO WE -- WE REQUESTED AN EXTENSION FOR THIS.
12:37:27PM >> I BELIEVE DEP IS STILL WORKING ON ITS ACTUAL GUIDELINES
12:37:32PM AND PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES ON HOW THEY MAY IMPLEMENT THAT.
12:37:38PM SO I DON'T -- I AM NOT ABLE TO GIVE YOU A FIRM DECISION, BUT
12:37:45PM PRESUMABLY THERE MAY BE A PROCESS FOR THAT DEPENDING ON WHAT
12:37:52PM THINGS LOOK LIKE FIVE TO EIGHT YEARS DOWN THE LINE AS THE
12:37:56PM DEADLINE APPROACHES.
12:37:57PM BUT THERE IS NOT ONE IN PLACE AS OF TODAY.
12:38:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WITH EVOLVING TECHNOLOGY AND CONSEQUENCES,
12:38:06PM THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN PURSUE, NOT NECESSARILY GOING INTO
12:38:09PM THE MECHANICS OF THIS LAW ALREADY BUT REQUESTING AN
12:38:12PM EXTENSION AS NEW FACTS BECOME AVAILABLE WE CAN TAKE THAT
12:38:15PM INTO ACCOUNT.
12:38:16PM MAYBE THAT IS THE DIRECTION THIS COUNCIL SHOULD BE GOING.
12:38:18PM >> NOTHING LEGALLY TO PREVENT REQUESTING THE EXTENSION.
12:38:21PM NOTHING LEGALLY TO REQUIRE DEP TO CONSIDER OR HONOR IT.
12:38:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
12:38:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:38:28PM PUBLIC COMMENT.
12:38:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A QUESTION.
12:38:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SORRY, GO AHEAD.
12:38:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
12:38:34PM MR. FLANNERY, MISS STEVENS, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR THE
12:38:38PM TWO OF YOU.
12:38:38PM WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT IS NEXT.
12:38:40PM YOU SAID YOU ARE PASSING THIS ON OTHER FOLKS TO BE REVIEWED.
12:38:46PM WHEN -- WHEN -- DO YOU HAVE A DATE YOU ARE REQUESTING THAT
12:38:51PM TO COME BACK TO YOU?
12:38:53PM >>SID FLANNERY: NO, NOT NECESSARILY.
12:38:56PM WE ARE STARTING WITH YOU.
12:38:57PM NO, WE HAVEN'T ESTABLISHED A DATE FOR THAT.
12:38:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU COULD, BECAUSE I
12:39:02PM WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU BACK AROUND NOVEMBER 30 TO UPDATE US
12:39:07PM ON WHAT -- WHAT PEER REVIEW RESPONSES YOU RECEIVED.
12:39:14PM >>SID FLANNERY: YES, WE INTEND TO GET ON IT PRETTY PROMPTLY
12:39:18PM WHEN WE KNOW THAT COUNCIL -- WHEN WE ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
12:39:21PM BY ALL MEANS, WE WILL BE HAPPY TO.
12:39:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK: DO YOU THINK NOVEMBER 30 WILL BE ENOUGH TIME.
12:39:28PM >>SID FLANNERY: BY ALL MEANS.
12:39:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK: LATE OCTOBER WILL BE ENOUGH TIME?
12:39:33PM >>SID FLANNERY: I THINK SO.
12:39:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WENT TO NOVEMBER ONLY BECAUSE I WANTED TO
12:39:37PM GIVE YOU TIME.
12:39:37PM IF COULD YOU DO AN UPDATE FOR US ON OCTOBER 26, I WILL WRITE
12:39:42PM A MOTION FOR IT FOR AFTER LUNCH.
12:39:47PM BUT, YES, IF THAT WORKS FOR YOU.
12:39:49PM I WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK AND MAKE SURE THE OCTOBER 26 DATE
12:39:53PM WORKS.
12:39:53PM >>SID FLANNERY: WHOEVER WE SEND IT TO FOR REVIEW WILL LET
12:39:57PM THEM KNOW OF THE MEETING TOO.
12:39:59PM SO THEY CAN STICK TO IT THEMSELVES.
12:40:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PUBLIC COMMENT.
12:40:03PM YES, SIR.
12:40:04PM >> I GOT TO GIVE QUALIFICATIONS.
12:40:09PM LICENSE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER SINCE 1982, MECHANICAL.
12:40:14PM SERVED ON S.W.F.W.M.D. BASIN BOARD NORTHWEST IN HILLSBOROUGH
12:40:18PM BASIN BOARDS FROM 2001-2009.
12:40:21PM GOT $5 MILLION IN CORPORATE FUNDED GRANTS FOR CITY OF TAMPA
12:40:26PM THAT S.W.F.W.M.D. WAS GIVING THE CITY OF TAMPA THE FINGER.
12:40:29PM WASN'T GIVING THEM NO MONEY.
12:40:30PM AND WE PUT IT IN A FUND THAT JEB BUSH COULD NOT TOUCH.
12:40:35PM THAT IS WHAT I DID FOR THE CITY.
12:40:37PM RIGHT, BRAD?
12:40:39PM NOW.
12:40:40PM THIS THING YOU JUST HEARD COMES FROM THE SIERRA CLUB CLUB,
12:40:45PM BUT THEY ARE NOT P.E.s.
12:40:48PM NOT LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS WITH LIABILITY IF YOU
12:40:52PM SAY SOMETHING WRONG THAT IS NOT TECHNICALLY CORRECT WILL YOU
12:40:56PM GET SUED.
12:40:57PM YOU HAVE PEER REVIEWS.
12:40:58PM EVEN P.E.s HAVE PEER REVIEWS, RIGHT, BRAD?
12:41:02PM YOU WILL MR. CARLSON.
12:41:05PM CHARLIE, YOU KNOW THIS.
12:41:06PM EVERYBODY HAS OPINION.
12:41:07PM BUT THERE IS FACT.
12:41:08PM ONE OFF, IS IT BETTER TO OWN YOUR HOME OR TO RENT OR LEASE?
12:41:13PM YOU WANT TO OWN YOUR HOME, DON'T YOU.
12:41:15PM DIDN'T YOU JUST TALK ABOUT OWNERSHIP.
12:41:17PM CHALLENGE FUND.
12:41:18PM SAME THING WITH THIS.
12:41:19PM WE OWN THAT WATER.
12:41:20PM MIGHT BE GOING INTO THE BAY AND HAVE THE ISSUES.
12:41:24PM WE OWN THAT.
12:41:24PM NOW WE ARE GOING TO GIVE IT AWAY.
12:41:26PM BUT WE OWN THAT.
12:41:28PM BETTER TO OWN YOUR WATER.
12:41:29PM DEVELOPMENT.
12:41:30PM YOU THINK DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO STOP IN THE STATE OF
12:41:34PM FLORIDA?
12:41:34PM DO YOU THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO COME HERE AND
12:41:36PM BUILD?
12:41:37PM YOU GOT TO HAVE WATER PROVIDED FOR THEM TO DO IT.
12:41:40PM THEY ARE EVEN TALKING OF GIVING PEOPLE DEVELOPMENT FOR
12:41:44PM AFFORDABLE HOUSE GOING YOU PUT SOME KIND OF RECLAIMED WATER
12:41:47PM IN IT.
12:41:47PM LET ME GET BACK TO MY GOLFING GAME, MR. CLENDENIN, SINCE YOU
12:41:53PM WANT TO GET ME ON THE COURSE.
12:41:55PM McKAY BAY -- MANGROVE BAY IN ST. PETE.
12:41:59PM WHAT ARE THEY USING FOR WATER IN THEIR GOLF COURSE?
12:42:03PM RECLAIMED WATER.
12:42:04PM WHY AIN'T ANY -- I AM SITTING -- WHY DON'T WE HAVE RECLAIMED
12:42:09PM WATER IN OUR GOLF COURSE AS SOON AS WE ARE USING WELLS,
12:42:12PM WHICH IS COME AGO OUT OF THE GROUND WHICH IS NOT WHAT YOU
12:42:15PM WANT TO DO ENVIRONMENTALLY AND THE CASES ARE FAILING.
12:42:18PM WE PUT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS ON THE PUMPING STATION.
12:42:21PM WHY ARE WE NOT USING RECLAIMED WATER SOUTH TAMPA, MR.
12:42:29PM CARLSON, AIN'T GOT RECLAIMED WATER.
12:42:32PM THE PURPLE PIPE.
12:42:33PM LISTEN, LET'S CUT THIS POLITICS OUT.
12:42:39PM BAD POLITICS.
12:42:41PM MAYBE A LITTLE BAD PREMEDICATED SCIENCE, BUT GOING FORWARD,
12:42:45PM NEW COUNCIL.
12:42:47PM ANYBODY COMING UP HERE, TALKING ABOUT THIS AND DO THAT.
12:42:50PM THEY NEED PEER REVIEW.
12:42:52PM THEY NEED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS LOOKING.
12:42:54PM NOT JUST SCIENTISTS.
12:42:56PM ANOTHER NOT ENGINEERS AND THEY ARE NOT PROFESSIONALS.
12:42:59PM LET'S GET ALL THE FACTS.
12:43:01PM AND I THINK WHAT THEY PRESENTED MAKES SENSE.
12:43:03PM WHAT THE CITY IS SAYING MAKES SENSE.
12:43:05PM WHAT DON'T MAKE SENSE IS THIS BULLY MENTALITY OF NOT COMING
12:43:09PM UP WHERE A SOLUTION AMONGST MY ELECTED OFFICIALS.
12:43:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:43:15PM NEXT SPEAKER.
12:43:16PM YES, SIR.
12:43:17PM >> HI, GOOD AFTERNOON.
12:43:21PM THEO KOBOSKI, THE SENIOR MANAGER OF FLORIDA CONSERVATION FOR
12:43:28PM OCEAN CONSERVANCY.
12:43:30PM I LIVE ACROSS THE BRIDGE IN ST. PETERSBURG WHERE MOST OF OUR
12:43:32PM FLORIDA-BASED TEAM IS HEADQUARTERED.
12:43:35PM I'M HERE TO TALK TO YOU TODAY ON BEHALF OF MY ORGANIZATION
12:43:38PM AND ALSO SOME OF THE WORK THAT WE ARE DOING HERE IN TAMPA
12:43:41PM WITH REGARDS TO HEALTH OF THE BAY.
12:43:42PM I FIGURED I HAD WOULD COME TALK WHILE STEWARDSHIP OF OUR
12:43:46PM WATER IS TOP OF MIND FOR EVERYONE.
12:43:48PM FIRST QUICKLY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OCEAN CONSERVANCY.
12:43:52PM THE OLDEST FOCUSED NONPROFIT.
12:43:55PM WE HAVE BEEN OPERATING IN FLORIDA FOR OVER 40 YEARS.
12:43:58PM AND OUR CORE MISSION, WHAT WE ARE ULTIMATELY AIMING TO DO IS
12:44:01PM TO TRY TO FIND MEANINGFUL, SCIENCE-BACKED SOLUTIONS TO THE
12:44:07PM BIGGEST THREATS AND CHALLENGES FACING OUR OCEAN.
12:44:09PM AND WE AIM TO WORK WITH LOCAL LEADERS AND COMMUNITIES ALIKE
12:44:13PM TO MAKE THOSE SOLUTIONS A REALITY.
12:44:16PM WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE HERE IN FLORIDA IS WE HAVE BEEN
12:44:18PM BUILDING PARTNERSHIPS WITH CITIES AND MUNICIPALITIES
12:44:21PM THROUGHOUT OUR STATE THROUGH OUR SHORES FORWARD INITIATIVE.
12:44:26PM MIAMI AND ORLANDO.
12:44:27PM AND WHAT WE DO IS WORK WITH LOCAL LEADERS THERE TO TAKE
12:44:31PM ACTION BOTH THROUGH DIRECT POLICY INTERVENTION, AS WELL AS
12:44:34PM THROUGH BUILDING BROADER CONNECTIONS WITH RESIDENTS THROUGH
12:44:39PM EDUCATION AND OUTREACH PROGRAMS.
12:44:41PM WE VERY MUCH BELIEVE THAT COLLABORATION IS A VERY IMPORTANT
12:44:45PM TOOL TO ULTIMATELY GETTING TO MEANINGFUL CHANGE TO THE
12:44:48PM OCEAN.
12:44:48PM AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THAT COLLABORATION WE TRY TO ENGAGE IN
12:44:54PM HERE IN TAMPA STARTED IN APRIL.
12:44:57PM TWO-YEAR RESEARCH PROJECT WITH PARTNERS FROM UNIVERSITY OF
12:45:01PM FLORIDA, FLORIDA STATE AND THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA,
12:45:03PM IN ADDITION TO OTHERS.
12:45:04PM ULTIMATELY WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS WE ARE TRYING TO
12:45:08PM BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW NUTRIENT POLLUTION, SPECIFICALLY IN
12:45:13PM THE FORM OF NITROGEN THAT BE WE HEARD ABOUT TODAY IS FINDING
12:45:19PM ITS WAY INTO TAMPA BAY.
12:45:20PM WHAT WE WILL BE DOING OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS TAKING MONTHLY
12:45:23PM WATER SAMPLES FROM OTHER 20 DIFFERENT LOCATIONS ALONG THE
12:45:27PM HILLSBOROUGH RIVER AND USE NEW TECHNOLOGY TO HELP US PAINT A
12:45:31PM BETTER PICTURE AND PINPOINT WHERE SOURCES OF NITROGEN
12:45:35PM POLLUTION IS ALONG THE RIVER AND THE GOAL IS TO BE ABLE TO
12:45:40PM CORRECT SOME TAILORED SOLUTIONS IN ADDRESSING THOSE
12:45:44PM RESOURCES.
12:45:44PM PETITION RECOGNIZE THIS STUDY IS ONE PIECE OF A MUCH LARGER
12:45:48PM PUZZLE IN TERMS OF ADDRESSING WATER QUALITY IN TAMPA BAY.
12:45:52PM AND THERE IS A LOT TO DO AND A LOT TO THINK ABOUT.
12:45:55PM WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR NEW AND INNOVATIVE TECHNOLOGY TO
12:45:59PM PROTECT OUR WATER RESOURCES.
12:46:00PM THANKFULLY SCIENCE TELLS US A LOT WE CAN DO WITH THE REALM
12:46:05PM OF BENEFICIAL USE OF LOCAL WATER.
12:46:07PM WE ENCOURAGE TO YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THESE OPTIONS WHEN
12:46:10PM WEIGHING A DECISION.
12:46:11PM IN THE MEANTIME, THANK YOU FOR THE CHANCE TO SPEAK.
12:46:13PM I AM HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP ABOUT OUR PROJECT AND ANY OTHER WAYS
12:46:17PM WE CAN WORK TOGETHER.
12:46:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM GOING TO ASK MY AIDE TO GET YOUR
12:46:22PM CONTACT INFORMATION AND LOVE TO BE OFF LINE.
12:46:25PM TAMMY WILL BE COMING OUT TO GET THAT FROM YOU.
12:46:29PM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:46:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
12:46:30PM NEXT SPEAKER.
12:46:32PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
12:46:33PM I AM ED SHERWOOD, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE TAMPA BAY ESTUARY
12:46:39PM PROGRAM.
12:46:39PM YOU RECEIVED A LETTER FROM MY BOARD THAT MET EARLIER THIS
12:46:42PM AUGUST OUTLINING SOME OF THE STRATEGIES WE ARE HOPING THAT
12:46:45PM THE COMMUNITY PURSUES TO CONTINUE TO PROTECT AND IMPROVE THE
12:46:49PM TAMPA BAY ESTUARY.
12:46:50PM I REPRESENT HILLSBOROUGH, MANATEE, PINELLAS, CITY OF TAMPA,
12:46:55PM CITY OF CLEARWATER, CITY OF ST. PETE, AND DEP, SOUTHWEST
12:47:03PM FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND EPA ON MY POLICY
12:47:05PM BOARD.
12:47:05PM AND HERE TO REPRESENT TO YOU SORT OF THE TRADE-OFFS YOU WERE
12:47:09PM DISCUSSING.
12:47:10PM A GREAT DISCUSSION AT THE BEGINNING TALKING OF WATER SUPPLY
12:47:14PM AND THE DRINKING WATER FUTURE.
12:47:15PM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN, WHAT WE DO WITH THAT WATER ONCE
12:47:19PM WE USE IT AND WITH TREATMENT IN OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT
12:47:23PM PLANT.
12:47:23PM WE DEVELOPED COLLECTIVE TARGETS FOR THE REGION TO IMPROVE
12:47:26PM WATER QUALITY FOR THE BENEFIT OF SEAGRASSES.
12:47:30PM COLLECTIVE TARGETS HAVE BEEN LARGELY MET AND HAVE CHALLENGES
12:47:34PM AS OF LATE IN TERMS OF MEETING OUR SEAGRASS GOALS IN TAMPA
12:47:38PM BAY AND THE RECIPE WE HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING IS ONE OF A
12:47:42PM NUTRIENT TO THE BAY THAT EACH COLLECTIVE MEMBER GOVERNMENT,
12:47:46PM AND I REPRESENT OVER 45 NIGHTTIME TAMPA BAY NITROGEN
12:47:51PM MANAGEMENT CONSORTIUM THAT HAS A PERMANENT LOAD
12:47:55PM RESPONSIBILITY FOR DISCHARGES IN THE BAY.
12:47:57PM THE CITY OF TAMPA IS NOT THE ONLY MOUSAVI THIS PAT
12:48:03PM STRUGGLING TO GET THOSE TARGETS.
12:48:04PM MORE PEOPLE IN THE REGION MORE WASTEWATER TO TREAT AND
12:48:07PM DISCHARGE INTO THE ENVIRONMENT.
12:48:09PM THAT COLLECTIVE THOUGHT OF WHAT WE DO WITH THAT WASTEWATER
12:48:13PM IS AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
12:48:15PM AND THE COST OF INACTION OFTENTIMES IS GOING -- ONLY GETTING
12:48:20PM MORE COSTLY IN THE FUTURE AS WE KIND OF DEAL WITH THIS IN
12:48:24PM THE REGION.
12:48:25PM SO I'M HERE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF ACTION BY THE COUNCIL.
12:48:30PM WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT OUR WASTEWATER FUTURE IN THE REGION
12:48:35PM AND WHERE IT IS DISCHARGED.
12:48:36PM WHETHER TO THE BAY.
12:48:37PM ALL THE CONSTITUENTS THAT WERE JUST MENTIONED ARE GOING INTO
12:48:41PM THE BAY NOW.
12:48:42PM IT IS AFFECTING THE BAY.
12:48:43PM CHIEF AMONG THOSE ARE NUTRIENTS.
12:48:46PM ANY ADDITIONAL TREATMENT ARE, ANY BENEFICIAL USE OF THAT
12:48:51PM WATER IN THE OTHER PORTIONS OF THE ENVIRONMENT, OTHER WAYS
12:48:54PM OF DISPOSAL THAT CONSIDER NEW TECHNOLOGIES SHOULD NOT BE
12:48:58PM TAKEN OFF THE TABLE.
12:48:59PM WE SHOULD BE THINKING OF OUR FUTURE LIVING SUSTAINABILITY
12:49:03PM ALONG THE COAST.
12:49:04PM COLLECTIVELY, ACTION IS WHAT IS NEEDED, NOT INACTION.
12:49:09PM I ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THAT WITH YOUR FUTURE
12:49:12PM DISCUSSIONS ON OTHER ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
12:49:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:49:15PM YES, MA'AM.
12:49:16PM NEXT SPEAKER.
12:49:17PM >> HI, CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
12:49:21PM ONE OF THE STAKEHOLDERS WHEN THE CITY ESTABLISHED A
12:49:24PM STAKEHOLDER GROUP, I REPRESENT T.H.A.N. IN THE STAKEHOLDERS
12:49:29PM GROUP.
12:49:29PM AND THERE IS A DEFINITE CONSENSUS AMONG THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN
12:49:34PM TAMPA ABOUT THESE ISSUES.
12:49:36PM I WANT TO REITERATE AND TRY TO BOTTOM LINE THIS FOR YOU.
12:49:40PM MENTIONED TAKING THINGS OFF THE TABLE.
12:49:45PM WHAT SID TALKED TO YOU ABOUT TODAY IS TAKING NOTHING OFF THE
12:49:49PM TABLE EXCEPT BEING CONVICTED OF A CRIME.
12:49:53PM THAT IS THE ONLY THING WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IS
12:49:58PM NOT BE CONVICTED AFFIDAVIT CRIME.
12:50:00PM I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY ANYBODY WOULD WOULD WANT TO BE
12:50:03PM CONVICTED AFFIDAVIT CRIME.
12:50:04PM WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS, THERE IS A LAW.
12:50:09PM WE ARE NOT VIOLATING THE LAW.
12:50:10PM WE ARE COMPLYING WITH THE LAW.
12:50:12PM THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS.
12:50:14PM IS TO MAKE IT UNDERSTOOD THAT WE ARE NOT CRIMINALS.
12:50:17PM WE ARE COMPLYING WITH THE LAW.
12:50:19PM THAT IS THE GOAL OF WHAT THE PRESENTATION WAS TODAY BY NANCY
12:50:23PM AND SID.
12:50:24PM THE TEMPLE TERRACE OFFICE EVALUATED THE LAW AND SAYS THE LAW
12:50:35PM REPRESENTS MINIMUM FLIES.
12:50:36PM ESTUARY, MARITIME BODY DOESN'T HAVE MINIMUM FLOWS, SO WE
12:50:41PM CAN'T SAY THAT YOU ARE NOT VIOLATING THE LAW.
12:50:44PM WELL, WE NEED TO ASK THE STATE LEVEL.
12:50:46PM AND IT NEEDS TO BE EVALUATED ON THE SCIENCE.
12:50:51PM IF THE SCIENCE SHOWS THERE IS A BENEFICIAL USE TO PUTTING
12:50:56PM THE DISCHARGE IN THE BAY, THEN WE ARE NOT CRIMINALS.
12:50:58PM WE ARE NOT VIOLATING THE LAW.
12:51:00PM WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET FINED.
12:51:01PM THEN WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO ANYTHING WE WANT.
12:51:05PM WE HAVE THE TIME AND FLEXIBILITY.
12:51:07PM LOOK INTO REDUCING THE NUTRIENTS OF THE DISCHARGE.
12:51:10PM MAYBE SIX WILL DO THAT.
12:51:12PM LOOK INTO ANYTHING YOUR HEART DESIRES.
12:51:14PM IT DOESN'T TAKE ANYTHING OFF THE TABLE.
12:51:17PM IT JUST GIVES US FLEXIBILITY AND IT GIVES US TIME TO LOOK
12:51:21PM INTO ALL OF THESE OPTIONS.
12:51:26PM THE LANGUAGE OF SB64 IS JUST TOO BROAD, TOO VAGUE, ONE SIZE
12:51:34PM FITS ALL.
12:51:34PM TAMPA IS UNIQUE.
12:51:35PM WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET A DESIGNATION THIS IS A BENEFICIAL
12:51:41PM USE.
12:51:41PM REMEMBER, WE ARE TAKING FRESH WATER OUT OF THE RIVER.
12:51:43PM NORMALLY THAT WATER FLOWS INTO THE BAY TO CREATE THIS
12:51:48PM ESTUARY.
12:51:48PM WE ARE TAKING THAT WATER OUT BY PUTTING -- CLEANING IT AND
12:51:53PM PUTTING IT BACK INTO THE BAY.
12:51:54PM THAT CAN BE BENEFICIAL TO THE BAY.
12:51:56PM LET'S FOCUS ON THAT.
12:51:57PM WE ARE NOT CRIMINALS.
12:51:58PM THANK YOU.
12:51:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:52:00PM ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
12:52:04PM YES, MA'AM.
12:52:04PM >> IS IT NOON YET?
12:52:10PM GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
12:52:12PM YOU KNOW, SORRY, THIS PURE THING, THIS WHOLE DEAL.
12:52:18PM I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.
12:52:20PM I WILL BE THE FIRST PERSON TO TELL YOU THAT.
12:52:21PM YOU KNOW WHAT?
12:52:22PM HERE IS THE PROBLEM WITH THIS DISCUSSION.
12:52:24PM THE TAXPAYERS OF THIS CITY DON'T WANT IT.
12:52:30PM PERIOD.
12:52:30PM I DON'T CARE WHAT THESE PEOPLE SAY OR WHAT THEY SAY IN
12:52:35PM TALLAHASSEE.
12:52:36PM THEY DIDN'T LIKE THAT PLAN.
12:52:38PM THESE FOLKS HAVE BEEN NICE ENOUGH TO SPEND THEIR TIME AND
12:52:42PM ENERGY TO CREATE A DIFFERENT PLAN.
12:52:43PM THEY GOT SHUT DOWN.
12:52:45PM THAT IS WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAS SAID.
12:52:47PM AND WHEN THERE IS A QUESTION OF SHOULD WE TRUST WHAT WE ARE
12:52:54PM BEING TOLD, I WANT TO GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID TO YOU THIS
12:53:00PM MORNING.
12:53:00PM WE START TALKING OF THE BUDGET, AND, MAN, THERE IS A BIG OL'
12:53:06PM SHELL GAME TAKING PLACE.
12:53:08PM IT HAPPENS OVER -- IT HAPPENED LAST NIGHT, YESTERDAY.
12:53:11PM I GOT AN E-MAIL OF A SHELL GAME BEING PLAYED.
12:53:15PM SO HOW CAN WE TAKE OUR TRUST AND START TRUSTING AGAIN WHEN
12:53:21PM YOU SEE IT HAPPENING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
12:53:25PM IT'S -- IT'S -- I MEAN, TO ME, HOW CAN YOU AS COUNCIL
12:53:37PM CONDONE THIS CRAP?
12:53:39PM YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT, COUNCIL HAS TO STAND UP AND SAY, WE
12:53:43PM ARE NOT GOING TO DO THIS, PERIOD.
12:53:45PM AND WE ARE GOING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT THESE FOLKS
12:53:48PM ARE SAYING.
12:53:48PM WE -- COUNCIL NEEDS TO TELL STAFF, GO BACK TO THE DRAWING
12:53:52PM BOARD.
12:53:53PM DON'T COME BACK WITH THIS CRAP AGAIN.
12:53:55PM KEEP DOING IT UNTIL THEY DO WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO DO.
12:54:01PM MIND YOU, WE MIGHT WANT TO DISCOUNT WHAT THESE FOLKS SAID.
12:54:07PM YOU KNOW WHAT, CITY STAFF PICKED THEM.
12:54:09PM THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF PICKED THEM.
12:54:12PM THEY DIDN'T, JUST, POP UP LIKE DAISIES IN YOUR GRASS.
12:54:16PM PEOPLE SAID THESE PEOPLE ARE VERY IMPORTANT PEOPLE, AND
12:54:20PM THEIR OPINIONS COUNT.
12:54:22PM AND THEY ARE EDUCATED AND SPENT TIME LEARNING ABOUT IT.
12:54:28PM I DON'T HAVE AT THAT MASTER'S DEGREE IN LAND USE AND
12:54:31PM PLANNING.
12:54:32PM I DON'T HAVE A MASTER'S DEGREE IN BUDGETS, BUT MAN, OH, MAN,
12:54:36PM DO I WORK MY BUTT OFF TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU GUYS ARE
12:54:40PM SUPPOSED TO UNDERSTAND TOO.
12:54:42PM AND SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT AND DISCOUNT WHAT THESE FOLKS
12:54:46PM ARE DOING -- BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
12:54:48PM I WILL BE THE FIRST PERSON.
12:54:50PM I AM BACK HERE WORKING ON THE BUDGET.
12:54:53PM BUT YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE HARD WORK OF EDUCATED
12:54:57PM FOLKS AND THEIR EDUCATED FOLKS BECAUSE THEY CHOSE TO BE THAT
12:55:02PM WAY.
12:55:03PM FOR ANYBODY ON STAFF OR IN THE ADMINISTRATION TO IGNORE THE
12:55:07PM HARD WORK THEY HAVE DONE IS JUST FLAT OUT WRONG.
12:55:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE A MOTION?
12:55:14PM WE HAVE PEOPLE ON STANDBY FROM CALIFORNIA.
12:55:17PM WE HAVE ONE MORE ITEM.
12:55:18PM GO AHEAD, SIR.
12:55:21PM >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST WANT TO ASK -- ONE MINUTE I WANT TO
12:55:26PM ASK BRAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AS A FOLLOW-UP TO THAT.
12:55:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
12:55:33PM >>BILL CARLSON: BRAD, CAN I -- MR. BAIRD.
12:55:37PM CAN YOU TELL US JUST ASKING YOU SOME QUESTIONS TO FILL IN
12:55:42PM FROM THE SPEAKERS.
12:55:43PM CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THE MGD IS DISCHARGED FROM THE
12:55:47PM HILLSBOROUGH RIVER INTO THE BAY EVERY DAY?
12:55:49PM >>BRAD BAIRD: IT VARIES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
12:55:51PM WET SEASON VERSUS DRY SEASON.
12:55:54PM >>BILL CARLSON: BALLPARK.
12:55:56PM >>BRAD BAIRD: CURRENT LEAP DISCHARGING 300 CUBIC FEET PER
12:56:01PM SECOND.
12:56:01PM BUT WE LOWER IT FOR THE STORM.
12:56:04PM >>BILL CARLSON: CONVERT THAT TO MGD.
12:56:10PM >>BRAD BAIRD: WE CAN GET UP TO 2,000 CFS OR --
12:56:15PM >>BILL CARLSON: CONVERT THAT TO MGD.
12:56:17PM >>BRAD BAIRD: OKAY.
12:56:19PM IT CAN GET UP TO AS MUCH -- MORE THAN 2,000 CFS, TWO BILLION
12:56:26PM GALLONS A DAY.
12:56:26PM IN THE WET SEASON, I HAVE SEEN IT TWO BILLION GALLONS DAY
12:56:31PM AND IN THE DRY SEASON, ZERO.
12:56:34PM >>BILL CARLSON: TWO BILLION COMING FROM THE RIVER.
12:56:37PM WHAT IS A CLEANER, THE 50 MGD YOU ARE DISCHARGING OR THE
12:56:41PM RIVER?
12:56:42PM >>BRAD BAIRD: THE 50 MGD.
12:56:45PM >>BILL CARLSON: DO YOU KNOW THE NITROGEN LOAD OF THE RIVER
12:56:48PM DISCHARGED IN THAT 2 BILLION GALLONS A DAY?
12:56:54PM >>BRAD BAIRD: I DON'T OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
12:56:57PM HOWARD CURREN, DISCHARGE AVERAGES 2.4 MILLIGRAMS PER LITER.
12:57:02PM >>BILL CARLSON: I CAN'T DO THE MATH THAT FAST.
12:57:05PM BUT IS IT -- IT IS SAFE TO SAY MORE THAN 300 TONS A DAY?
12:57:12PM >>BRAD BAIRD: OF NITROGEN COMPONENT.
12:57:16PM THE NITROGEN COMPONENT IS 220.
12:57:19PM LITTLE OVER 200 TONS A YEAR FROM HOWARD CURREN AND THE REST
12:57:24PM IS PHOSPHOROUS WHEN I QUOTE THE 360.
12:57:28PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT IS THE CAPACITY.
12:57:29PM YOU ARE TALKING OF THE 50 MGD.
12:57:34PM >>BRAD BAIRD: THE 50 MGD.
12:57:37PM >>BILL CARLSON: IF THE 50 MGD GENERATES 200.
12:57:41PM I CAN'T DO THE MATH.
12:57:42PM LET'S SAY --
12:57:43PM >>BRAD BAIRD: I WANT TO SAY --
12:57:45PM >>BILL CARLSON: HOW MUCH TWO BILLION A DAY GENERATE?
12:57:48PM >>BRAD BAIRD: KEEP IN MIND THAT IS DURING VERY HIGH FLOWS.
12:57:52PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE POINT I AM MAKING WE HAD EXPERTS TALK OF
12:57:55PM THE ESTUARY AND OTHER THINGS, BUT THERE IS A HUGE NITROGEN
12:58:00PM RUNOFF, MULTIPLE, EXPONENTIALLY DIFFERENT THAN THE 50 MGD
12:58:05PM COMING OUT OF THE RIVER.
12:58:06PM DOES THE CITY HAVE ANY PROGRAMS TO CLEAN THE NITROGEN OUT OF
12:58:12PM THE RIVER?
12:58:12PM >>BRAD BAIRD: NO, WE DO NOT HAVE A PROGRAM FOR THAT.
12:58:15PM >>BILL CARLSON: WE ARE SPENDING A LOT OF THE TIME TALKING
12:58:18PM ABOUT 50 MGD BUT TWO BILLION GALLONS A DAY COMING OUT OF THE
12:58:25PM RIVER STAFF HAS TESTIFIED IS A LOT DIRTIER THAN THE 50 MGD.
12:58:32PM YOU THINK OF CLEARING NITROGEN OUT, OTHER EXTREME THINGS WE
12:58:36PM CAN DO THERE.
12:58:37PM MR. ROBINSON ASKED THE QUESTION OF PURPLE PIPES.
12:58:41PM SEEMS LIKES IN THE ANALYSIS THAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE, YOU
12:58:44PM DON'T PREFER PURPLE PIPES.
12:58:46PM CAN YOU TELL US WHY?
12:58:47PM >>BRAD BAIRD: YES, WE HAVE NUMEROUS TIMES.
12:58:49PM WE LOOKED AT STAR PHASE TWO.
12:58:51PM WE LOOKED AT TARGETING EXPANSIONS.
12:58:56PM WE LOOKED AT PART OF THE REPORT FOR EXPANDING THE PURPLE
12:59:00PM PIPE SYSTEM.
12:59:01PM THAT WAS THE MOST COSTLY ALTERNATIVE.
12:59:05PM THAT WAS A COSTLY ALTERNATIVE.
12:59:08PM THE ALTERNATIVE THAT WAS -- THE SIX BILLION PRESENT VALUE
12:59:13PM OVER 30 YEARS.
12:59:13PM THE BOTTOM LINE IS, PURPLE PIPE IN A BUILT-OUT CITY IS VERY
12:59:20PM EXPENSIVE.
12:59:20PM BUT -- AND I JUST WANT TO FINISH ONE THING.
12:59:24PM NEW DEVELOPMENT WHICH WE DON'T HAVE TOO MANY OF THEM IN
12:59:27PM TAMPA.
12:59:27PM WE ARE KIND OF BUILT OUT.
12:59:30PM IT IS MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE TO DO IT WHY PASCO COUNTY IS DOING
12:59:35PM IT.
12:59:36PM >>BILL CARLSON: MY PREFERENCE TO LOOK UP PURPLE PIPES.
12:59:39PM AT THAT MODELING BIAS OF HOW THE ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS WAS
12:59:42PM DONE.
12:59:42PM I AGREE WE SHOULD LOOK AT PURPLE PIPES AS ONE OF THE
12:59:45PM ALTERNATIVES.
12:59:45PM LAST QUESTION.
12:59:46PM IN 20 YEARS, WHAT IS THE CURRENT PROJECTION OF
12:59:51PM ADDITIONAL MGD THE CITY IS USING ABOVE THE 82?
12:59:54PM >>BRAD BAIRD: YES, IT IS ABOUT -- SIX TO EIGHT MGD DEPEND ON
12:59:59PM WHICH PROJECTION YOU ARE LOOKING AT.
01:00:02PM >>BILL CARLSON: SAVE FOUR OR FIVE MGD WITH PIPES BECAUSE
01:00:07PM PREPARING LEAKING PIPES, NET OF THAT AMOUNT?
01:00:10PM >>BRAD BAIRD: YES.
01:00:11PM THE GROWTH IS -- LOOKS LIKE IT WILL BE OFFSET FOR THE MOST
01:00:14PM PART BY REPLACING PIPELINES -- LINING PIPELINES, EXCUSE ME.
01:00:19PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE SIX MGD AND DEDUCT THE FIVE FROM SAVINGS
01:00:24PM FROM PIPE AND MAYBE HAVE DONE THAT CREATING THE SIX MGD.
01:00:29PM >>BRAD BAIRD: NO, THE SIX MGD WOULD BE WHAT WE PROJECT IS
01:00:34PM ADDITIONAL -- ONE WILL OFFSET THE OTHER IF THAT IS YOUR
01:00:38PM QUESTION.
01:00:38PM >>BILL CARLSON: IT WOULD?
01:00:40PM >>BRAD BAIRD: IT WOULD, I THINK.
01:00:42PM >>BILL CARLSON: FOR MY NEW COLLEAGUES, SIX MGD.
01:00:46PM PIPES WE ARE SPENDING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
01:00:50PM NET OUT AT ZERO.
01:00:51PM THE WISE PROGRAM THAT TAMPA BAY WATER TALKED ABOUT WAS
01:00:54PM PROJECTED OF THE CITY OF TAMPA TO SAVE FOUR MILLION GALLONS
01:00:59PM A DAY IN 20 YEARS.
01:01:00PM NET LESS THAN WHERE WE ARE NOW AND THE NEW PROGRAM IN
01:01:04PM THE CRA CAN SAVE FOUR OR FIVE MILLION GALLONS A DAY AND
01:01:08PM ACTUALLY BELOW.
01:01:09PM NOBODY IS ARGUING A NEED FOR MORE WATER SUPPLY.
01:01:12PM WE MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE LESS IN THE FUTURE BUT ANYWAY, THANK
01:01:18PM YOU.
01:01:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CHARLIE.
01:01:20PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
01:01:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I STILL SAY ONE OF THE MOST WASTEFUL
01:01:24PM THINGS IT IS THE MOST EASIEST THING TO SOLVE.
01:01:28PM FLAPPER ON THE TOILET.
01:01:30PM PEOPLE KNOW IT IS LEAKING, IT IS LEAKING.
01:01:33PM I HATE TO SAY THE WORD "TOILET" BUT THAT'S HOW IT IS.
01:01:37PM IF YOU HAVE A FLAPPER THAT IS LEAKING, IT LEAKS MORE THAN
01:01:40PM YOUR FAUCET DRIPPING BECAUSE CONSTANT 24 HOURS A DAY.
01:01:43PM THE OTHER ONE YOU MIGHT SEE.
01:01:44PM THIS ONE IS SILENT.
01:01:46PM THE CITY OF TAMPA -- IF I GO BACK IN HISTORY AND LOOK AT ALL
01:01:52PM OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE WE WERE THE FIRST TO HAVE PEOPLE
01:01:57PM GETTING TICKETS FROM PEOPLE WATERING.
01:01:59PM I AM ASK THIS COUNCIL -- I AM NOT GOING TO EMBARRASS WHAT
01:02:02PM THE WATERING DAY IS, THEY WOULDN'T KNOW.
01:02:04PM IF I ASK THE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE WHAT THE WATERING DAY
01:02:07PM IS.
01:02:08PM THEY DON'T KNOW.
01:02:09PM >>BRAD BAIRD: I KNOW.
01:02:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU KNOW.
01:02:12PM BUT I AM NOT GOING TO ASK.
01:02:14PM BUT I AM TELLING YOU -- GET YOUR BROCHURES ONCE IN A WHILE,
01:02:19PM BUT IT COMES IN A GREEN -- LIKE I LOVE YOU AND TAKE CARE OF
01:02:22PM YOUR FAMILY AND ALL.
01:02:23PM YOU GOT TO HIT THEM RIGHT WHERE IT HURTS IN THE POCKET BOOK.
01:02:29PM THIS IS WHAT IT IS COSTING YOU IF YOU DON'T CHANGE THE WAY
01:02:32PM YOU DO THINGS.
01:02:32PM YOU CAN'T DO IT IN A ROMANTIC WAY.
01:02:36PM YOU GOT TO TELL THEM, THIS IS IT.
01:02:38PM THE CITY OF TAMPA IS THE ONE THAT CAN TELL WATER USE WITH
01:02:42PM THE WATER THAT WENT BACK 20 YEARS AGO DIDN'T HAVE ANY WATER.
01:02:45PM WE WERE THE FIRST TO SAY, WHAT?
01:02:48PM CRISIS IN WATER.
01:02:49PM YOU CAN'T WATER YOUR LAWNS OTHER THAN BY HAND.
01:02:51PM YEARS BACK.
01:02:52PM TALKING 15, 0 YEARS BACK.
01:02:55PM THE FIRST TO DO THAT.
01:02:56PM >>BRAD BAIRD: THAT'S CORRECT.
01:02:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LOWERED OUR CONSUMPTION RATE WAY DOWN.
01:03:02PM HOWEVER, INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT SPENDING THE WATER, CHANGE
01:03:06PM THE RULES WHAT YOU CAN WATER.
01:03:07PM WHAT KIND OF PLANTS YOU PLANTING.
01:03:09PM WHAT KIND OF PLANTS ARE YOU PUTTING.
01:03:13PM JUST ABOUT THE WATER.
01:03:13PM SOLVE THE PROBLEM BUT NOT LETTING SOMETHING THAT USES WATER
01:03:17PM TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
01:03:18PM WE DON'T THINK THAT WAY.
01:03:19PM I WONDER WHY?
01:03:25PM CITY OF TAMPA FROM MAY TO NOVEMBER SOME YEARS
01:03:28PM BACK WE PASSED THAT LAW AND NOW I THINK THEY WASHED IT AWAY.
01:03:31PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LEGISLATURE -- I MAY BE INCORRECT.
01:03:34PM IF THEY HAVEN'T DONE IT YET?
01:03:36PM SOMEBODY IS SAYING THEY HAVEN'T DONE IT.
01:03:38PM I AGREE WITH YOU THEN.
01:03:39PM BUT REMEMBER IT.
01:03:40PM LIKE -- THE FIRST, I BELIEVE IN THE WHOLE AREA.
01:03:43PM THE CITY OF TAMPA.
01:03:45PM THERE IS A LOT OF FIRSTS THAT WE HAVE DONE THAT I CAN'T
01:03:48PM REMEMBER ALL OF THEM.
01:03:48PM BUT I CAN TELL YOU, WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING EXPEDITIOUSLY TO
01:03:54PM MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER IT WAS AT THE TIME TO SOLVE THE
01:03:57PM PROBLEM WE HAD IN HAND.
01:03:59PM AND WE WASTE WATER ON THINGS WE SHOULD DO BECAUSE WE DON'T
01:04:07PM THINK WHAT WE DO AND NEED LITTLE OR NO WATERING.
01:04:11PM EDUCATE AND MORE FINES.
01:04:22PM IT BECAME A HABITUAL HABIT.
01:04:27PM THAT'S HOW IT IS.
01:04:28PM THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
01:04:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FOREVER IN MY HEAD THAT I HEARD THAT
01:04:35PM CHARLIE MIRANDA IS INTO ROUGH LOVE.
01:04:37PM THANK YOU FOR THAT PICTURE IN MY HEAD.
01:04:39PM ONE -- IN THE TAMPA BAY WATER IN THEIR PRESENTATION.
01:04:42PM SORRY TO PUT THAT IN EVERYBODY ELSE'S HEAD TOO.
01:04:45PM IN -- IN THE TAMPA BAY WATER PRESENTATION, IT LOOKS LIKE --
01:04:50PM AGAIN, WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID THROUGH CONSERVATION AND
01:04:54PM THE PIPES PROJECT, AND THROUGH THAT PRESENTATION, IT SEEMS
01:04:57PM THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA DOESN'T HAVE A WATER PROBLEM.
01:05:00PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY HAS A WATER PROBLEM, BECAUSE GROWTH IN
01:05:03PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND THE GROWTH AND ESCALATION OF THEIR
01:05:06PM CONSUMPTION.
01:05:06PM SEEMS LIKE WE ARE SPENDING AN AWFUL LOT OF ENERGY TALKING OF
01:05:12PM AN ISSUE THAT IS NOT A PROBLEM WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA WHERE
01:05:15PM IT MAY BE A HUGE PROBLEM FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
01:05:17PM I WANTED TO LAY THAT OUT THERE.
01:05:18PM I DO DISAGREE A LITTLE BIT AND HAD A LITTLE CONVERSATION OF
01:05:22PM PURPLE PIPES.
01:05:23PM YOU KNOW, I CAN SEE WHERE IT HAS A PLACE, BUT I WANT -- WE
01:05:29PM ARE STILL NOT TREATING THAT WATER.
01:05:30PM THAT WATER IS STILL NOW BEING DISPERSED AND GOING INTO THE
01:05:35PM ENVIRONMENT.
01:05:36PM THAT MAY HAVE BEEN A NICE SHORT-TERM PROPOSAL.
01:05:38PM IT IS VERY COSTLY.
01:05:40PM AND WE ARE STILL NOT TREATING THAT WATER.
01:05:42PM SO ALL OF THOSE FOREVER CHEMICALS, THE DRANO, ALL THAT
01:05:48PM INDUSTRIAL WASTE.
01:05:50PM EVERYTHING THAT COMES OUTS OF THE WASTEWATER, IT IS STILL
01:05:53PM BEING DISPERSED.
01:05:54PM THE FUTURE IS TREATMENT, TREATMENT, TREATMENT, TREATMENT,
01:05:57PM TREATMENT.
01:05:58PM AS STEWARDS OF THE ENVIRONMENT.
01:06:04PM INCUMBENT TO GROW WITH TECHNOLOGY AND BUY SOME TIME BECAUSE
01:06:08PM TECHNOLOGY IS GETTING BETTER AND LET'S YOU SHALL THIS AND
01:06:11PM FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THIS RIGHT.
01:06:12PM >>LUIS VIERA: I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION.
01:06:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM NUMBER 6.
01:06:21PM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAD MR. NEWTON HERE.
01:06:24PM I HAD PROFESSOR FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA AND SAN
01:06:27PM DIEGO.
01:06:27PM AND HE HAD TO LEAVE.
01:06:28PM I HAVE CONTINUED THIS ITEM I THINK THREE OR FOUR TIMES.
01:06:31PM I MADE IT OVER A YEAR AGO.
01:06:32PM I MOTION FOR IT, PLEASE, TO BE NUMBER ONE ON THE SEPTEMBER
01:06:36PM AGENDA.
01:06:37PM I KNOW WE ARE TALKING OF LAND USE THAT DAY.
01:06:39PM BUT THIS IS ONE THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A YEAR AND
01:06:43PM CONTINUED A NUMBER OF TIME.
01:06:44PM MR. NEWTON WHO IS HERE HAS THAT DAY AVAILABLE.
01:06:47PM THE PROFESSOR HAS THAT DAY AVAILABLE.
01:06:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT IS FINE.
01:06:51PM >>LUIS VIERA: APPRECIATE IT.
01:06:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
01:06:54PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECOND.
01:06:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 6, IN RECESS UNTIL
01:06:58PM 2:15.
01:06:59PM AND A 5:01.
01:07:01PM [GAVEL SOUNDING]
02:22:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELCOME BACK TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
02:22:54PM ROLL CALL.
02:22:55PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
02:22:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
02:22:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
02:23:00PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT.
02:23:01PM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
02:23:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
02:23:04PM >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
02:23:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
02:23:07PM WELL I AM GLAD TO INFORM EVERYONE THAT WE ARE ORDERING FOOD
02:23:11PM FOR THIS EVENING.
02:23:12PM AND SO WHEN WE FINISH BY 4:30, WE WILL ALL ENJOY BEFORE THE
02:23:16PM 5:00.
02:23:17PM MR. BAIRD, ITEM NUMBER 5, ABOUT THE SIX PILOT PROJECT.
02:23:23PM >>BRAD BAIRD: THANK YOU, CITY COUNCIL.
02:23:24PM BRAD BAIRD, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE HERE TO
02:23:28PM TALK ABOUT THE SIX PILOT AT THE HOWARD F. CURREN WASTEWATER
02:23:36PM TREATMENT PLANT.
02:23:37PM WE ARE EXCITED TO GIVE THIS PRESENTATION.
02:23:39PM I KNOW SOME OF YOU AS WELL IF NOT ALL OF YOU.
02:23:41PM WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS ONLINE --
02:23:47PM >> UNMUTED.
02:23:49PM >>BRAD BAIRD: -- IF WE GET ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS.
02:23:52PM WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO OUR NEW CAPITAL
02:23:55PM IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM DIRECTOR, SARAH BIRD.
02:24:00PM WE HIRED HER TWO WEEKS AGO.
02:24:02PM >> ALL RIGHT.
02:24:05PM SO TO START, LET'S REMIND OURSELVES WHY WE ARE EVEN LOOKING
02:24:08PM AT SIX.
02:24:09PM THERE ARE TWO MAIN REASONS.
02:24:10PM FIRST, WE ARE LOOKING AT A NOVEL TECHNOLOGY TO REDUCE THE
02:24:13PM AMOUNT OF NUTRIENTS BEING DISCHARGED FROM THE BAY AND WE
02:24:17PM WILL HAVE PRELIMINARY RESULTS THAT WE WILL SHOW AT THE END
02:24:20PM OF THE PRESENTATION.
02:24:20PM SECOND IS HAVING ANOTHER TOOL IN THE CITY OF TAMPA'S
02:24:23PM TOOLBOX.
02:24:23PM WE KNOW THE FUTURE OF WATER IN TAMPA IS BOTH INTERESTING AND
02:24:27PM COMPLICATED AND THE MORE TOOLS WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US THE
02:24:30PM BETTER.
02:24:30PM WE WANT TO REMIND THAT YOU THIS PILOT IS HAPPENING AT NO
02:24:33PM COST TO THE CITY.
02:24:34PM FULLY FUNDED BY TWO SEPARATE GRANTS, FDEP GRANT AWARDED TO
02:24:39PM THE CITY OF TAMPA AND BEING SUPPLEMENTED BY THE GRANT
02:24:45PM THAT PERILA HAS PROVIDED.
02:24:47PM HIGH-LEVEL BACKGROUND OBJECT HOW THIS TECHNOLOGY WORKS.
02:24:50PM WE ARE PULLING THE WATER FROM THE HOWARD F. CURREN BEFORE IT
02:24:55PM IS DISINFECTED.
02:24:56PM 30 GALLONS PER MINUTE IS COMING INTO THE PILOT PLANT.
02:25:00PM AT THE PILOT PLANT, WE HAVE THIS BIG TANK OR CONTRACTORS
02:25:05PM FULL OF THESE LITTLE ORANGE BEADS, RESIN BEADS, THEY ARE
02:25:09PM SURROUNDED BY THE CHLORIDE IONS.
02:25:12PM WHAT IS HAPPENING IN A SIMPLE WAY, EXCHANGING THE IONS FOR
02:25:17PM CONTAMINANTS, PFAS AND STICKING TO THOSE BEADS AND CLEANING
02:25:24PM IT.
02:25:24PM WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE RESIN BEADS, DO WE LOSE THEM?
02:25:28PM WE DON'T.
02:25:29PM AFTER THEY ARE IN THE CONTACT AND GUNKED UP WITH
02:25:32PM CONTAMINANTS, AND WE SEND THEM TO A RECLEANING VESSEL AND
02:25:37PM THREE PHASES.
02:25:38PM BASED ON DIFFERENT TYPES OF REGENERATION.
02:25:40PM THE FIRST TYPE IS OUR SOLAR SALTER.
02:25:42PM SIMPLE SALT.
02:25:44PM THAT IS OUR CONTROLLED CONDITION.
02:25:46PM THAT IS WHERE WE TAKE A SOLUTION OF A SALT AND WATER AND
02:25:51PM CLEAN OFF THESE RESIN BEADS INTO A WASTE STREAM AND REATTACH
02:25:57PM AND GO RIGHT BACK IN THE CONTRACTOR DO THEIR JOB AGAIN.
02:25:59PM PHASE TWO IS SIMILAR, EXCEPT WE ARE DOING THAT WITH THE SEA
02:26:03PM WATER CONCENTRATE.
02:26:04PM THIS WAS REALLY INTERESTING AND WAS SUPPOSED TO BE WATER
02:26:07PM TRUCKED OVER FROM THE TAMPA BAY WATER DESAL PLANT.
02:26:10PM WE WILL USE THEIR CONCENTRATE.
02:26:12PM BUT WEREN'T ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE HAVING
02:26:14PM MECHANICAL ISSUES SO THE PLANT IS NOT RUNNING AT THIS TIME.
02:26:18PM WE ARE RUNNING THIS SYNTHETIC SEA WATER THAT WILL
02:26:21PM APPROXIMATE HOW THAT WORKS.
02:26:23PM THIS WILL PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR O&M SAVINGS.
02:26:26PM WE DON'T HAVE TO PURCHASE SALT FOR THAT REGENERATION AND
02:26:30PM WILL ALLOW FOR SOME COLLABORATION BETWEEN US AND TAMPA BAY
02:26:32PM WATER AND REDUCE THEIR DISCHARGE TO THE BAY.
02:26:35PM AND THEN FINALLY, THE LAST PHASE IS A BICARBONATE
02:26:40PM REGENERATION PHASE.
02:26:41PM YOU HAVE BICARBONATE BONDS THAT ARE STICKING TO THE RESIN
02:26:48PM BEADS AND CLEANING WITH THE WATER.
02:26:49PM A SOFTENS COMPONENT WITH IT WILL REDUCE THE TOTAL SOLID
02:26:55PM DISSOLVED IN THE WATER.
02:26:57PM THE PILOT SCHEDULE.
02:26:58PM BACK IN MAY, WE PROMISED WE WOULD BE FINISHING THE PILOT
02:27:02PM AROUND THE END OF OCTOBER WITH A FINAL REPORT EXPECTED INTO
02:27:05PM DECEMBER AND PRESENTATION OF INFORMATION BY AROUND JANUARY.
02:27:08PM YOU MAY BE AWARE WE DID HAVE SOME START-UP DELAYS.
02:27:11PM PRIMARILY BECAUSE THE PILOT SAT FOR A MINUTE AND NEEDED FOR
02:27:19PM ISSUES TO BE RESOLVED.
02:27:20PM ENDED NOVEMBER 15, AND ONLY A FEW WEEKS OUT WHEN WE
02:27:26PM ANTICIPATED IT WOULD BE AND WE WILL HAVE OUR FINAL REPORT AT
02:27:28PM THE END OF JANUARY.
02:27:29PM SO WHERE ARE WE RIGHT NOW?
02:27:31PM JULY 28 WAS THE END OF THE START-UP AND THE END OF THE PILOT
02:27:35PM TESTING.
02:27:35PM PHASE ONE WAS COMPLETED IN THE FIRST FOUR WEEKS WITH THE
02:27:38PM SALT TESTING AND JUST AT THE BEGINNING OF THE WATER
02:27:42PM CONCENTRATE TESTING.
02:27:44PM SO WE HAVE SOME PRELIMINARY RESULTS.
02:27:46PM THIS IS ONLY ONE DATA POINT FROM THE BEGINNING OF THAT FIRST
02:27:49PM PHASE.
02:27:49PM TAKES A WHILE TO GET THE RESULTS ONCE WE SEND THEM TO THE
02:27:53PM LAB.
02:27:53PM WELLING HAVE MORE DATA AVAILABLE AS TIME GOES ON, OF COURSE.
02:27:57PM SIX WORKS VERY WELL TO MOVE COLOR FROM THE WASTEWATER.
02:28:04PM TO THE LEFT THE WATER COMING IN THE PLANT.
02:28:06PM THE EFFLUENT FROM HOWARD CURREN THAT HAS NOT YET BEEN
02:28:10PM DISINFECTED.
02:28:11PM COLOR REMOVAL.
02:28:12PM 80% COLOR REMOVAL.
02:28:14PM TO THE RIGHT IS THE BRINE WASTE.
02:28:17PM TAKEN OUT OF THE WATER.
02:28:19PM LESS THAN 1% OF THE FLOW.
02:28:20PM A MUCH SMALLER FLOW.
02:28:22PM THE FUN STUFF.
02:28:23PM THE NUTRIENTS.
02:28:25PM ON THE Y AXIS, CONCENTRATION AND X AXIS.
02:28:29PM DIFFERENT TYPES OF NUTRIENTS.
02:28:32PM YOU CAN SEE WE ARE GETTING AT LEAST 30% REMOVAL IN EACH OF
02:28:37PM THESE.
02:28:37PM 35% IN NITRATE AND UP TO 50% OF TOTAL PHOSPHOROUS.
02:28:43PM ONE DATA POINT.
02:28:44PM EX-TRAP RATES TO 00 TONS A YEAR REMOVED.
02:28:48PM WE NEED MORE DATA TO BETTER APPROXIMATE WHAT THAT WILL BE ON
02:28:52PM AN AVERAGE BASIS.
02:28:53PM SOMEONE ASKED OF COST ASSOCIATED WITH SIX PILOT, ABOUT
02:28:57PM $2-PER-GALLON-PER DAY.
02:29:00PM AND WILL BE AROUND $100 MILLION TODAY.
02:29:04PM THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT SLIDE FOR ME.
02:29:06PM INFORMATION SHARING IS GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT AS WE MOVE
02:29:09PM FORWARD WITH THIS AND OTHER PROJECTS.
02:29:11PM WE WANTED TO DO REGULAR UPDATES TO COUNCIL, AS MANY AS YOU
02:29:15PM DESIRE.
02:29:15PM WE WILL CERTAINLY PROVIDE A FINAL UPDATE WHEN WE HAVE ALL OF
02:29:19PM THE DATA.
02:29:19PM WE WOULD LIKE TO OFFER INFORMATIONAL PILOT PLANT TOURS.
02:29:23PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK YOU HAVE ONE ON THE SCHEDULE AND THAT IS
02:29:26PM WONDERFUL.
02:29:27PM IF ANYONE ELSE IS INTERESTED, PLEASE COME OUT TO THE PILOT
02:29:31PM TO THE BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW IT IS WORKING AND WHAT IS GOING
02:29:33PM ON THERE.
02:29:34PM WE WOULD LIKE TO OFFER MORE DATA DIVES OR BACKGROUND
02:29:38PM INFORMATION.
02:29:39PM WE CAN DO ONE ON ONE MEETINGS AND SHOW UP TO OTHER TYPES OF
02:29:42PM QUORUM.
02:29:42PM CAFE CON TAMPA.
02:29:45PM EVERYWHERE TO GIVE YOU INFORMATION ABOUT THE PILOT, WE WILL
02:29:49PM BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
02:29:50PM WITH THAT, I WILL TAKE ANY THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
02:29:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
02:29:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
02:29:57PM THIS IS VERY CLEAR.
02:29:59PM APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.
02:30:00PM AND WELCOME TO THE CITY.
02:30:01PM HOW MANY GALLONS A DAY ARE THEY TESTING IN THE PILOT?
02:30:06PM >> 30 GALLONS PER MINUTE.
02:30:07PM UP HAVEN'T DONE THE MATH ON A PER DAY, BUT 30 GALLONS A
02:30:14PM MINUTE.
02:30:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HOW MANY HOURS A DAY?
02:30:18PM >> ALL DAY, EVERY DAY.
02:30:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK: 30 GALLONS A DAY -- 30 GALLON AS MINUTE PER
02:30:24PM DAY.
02:30:24PM SO, YEAH, 240 AN HOUR AND WE CAN EXTRAPOLATE FROM THERE.
02:30:31PM 22,000 DAY.
02:30:33PM BUT -- ONLY 22,000 GALLONS.
02:30:38PM SO THAT -- INITIALLY, THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A SIX-MONTH
02:30:45PM PILOT.
02:30:46PM AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS BARELY GOING TO BE OVER THREE
02:30:49PM MONTHS.
02:30:49PM I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
02:30:51PM I DON'T THINK WE GET ENOUGH DATA WHEN YOU -- WHEN YOU
02:30:56PM BASICALLY CUT THE STUDY IN HALF.
02:30:58PM >> CAN I RESPOND TO THAT?
02:31:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
02:31:01PM >> THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS FOR FOUR MONTHS AND A MONTH ON EACH
02:31:05PM END FOR MOBILIZATION AND DEMOBILIZATION.
02:31:08PM SO THIS IS WHAT WAS PLANNED.
02:31:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT WE ARE ONLY GOING A LITTLE BIT AFTER --
02:31:15PM IT WAS SUPPOSED TO END THE BEGINNING OF OCTOBER.
02:31:18PM >> END OF OCTOBER.
02:31:19PM NOT REALLY MUCH OF A DELAY IS REALLY --
02:31:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM CONCERNED BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH A BIG AND
02:31:25PM IMPORTANT PROJECT, AND NOT GETTING AS MUCH INFORMATION THAT
02:31:28PM WE CAN IS CONCERNING TO ME.
02:31:29PM HOW DID THE OPERATIONAL COSTS OF SIX COMPARE TO REVERSE
02:31:35PM OSMOSIS?
02:31:38PM >> VINNIE IS ONLINE AND MAY HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.
02:31:40PM WE NEED MORE INFORMATION FROM THE PILOT TO SEE HOW
02:31:43PM WASTEWATER IS TREATED.
02:31:44PM VINNIE IF YOU HAVE AN IDEA WITH THE APPROXIMATION OF WATER
02:31:48PM OR MELANIE?
02:31:50PM >> SURE, GOOD AFTERNOON.
02:31:52PM ONE EQUIVALENT -- AND I CAN GIVE YOU THE EXACT COSTS.
02:31:56PM ONE EQUIVALENT WHEN WE TEST IT ON THE WATER PLANT, SIX WILL
02:32:00PM SAVE $1.4 MILLION A YEAR AT CHEMICAL COSTS AT THE WATER
02:32:05PM PLANT.
02:32:06PM VERY LOW COST RELATIVE.
02:32:07PM THE SALT IS PRETTY INEXPENSIVE.
02:32:10PM THE POWER IS EXTREME LOW WHEN COMPARED.
02:32:13PM BECAUSE YOU DON'T REASON IS TO PRESSURIZE IT LIKE DO YOU
02:32:16PM WITH AN RO SYSTEM.
02:32:19PM IT GIVES YOU SOME IDEA WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
02:32:21PM YOU LOOK AT THE COST PER MILLION GALLONS, I BELIEVE SIX IN
02:32:26PM TERMS OF THE SALT COST SOMEWHERE AROUND -- LET ME LOOK REAL
02:32:32PM QUICK AND I WILL FIND OUT WHILE YOU ASKING OTHER QUESTIONS.
02:32:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HOW MUCH BRINE WASTE COLLECTED DURING THIS
02:32:42PM PROCESS?
02:32:43PM >> LESS THAN 1% OF THE FLOW.
02:32:45PM ARE YOU ASKING PER DAY?
02:32:47PM LESS THAN 1 PERCENT OF THE 22,000 WHICH WOULD BE LESS THAN
02:32:51PM 1,000 GALLONS, AROUND THERE.
02:32:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IF IT IS 22,000, THEN 1% WILL BE 2 --
02:32:59PM >> SORRY, 2%.
02:33:00PM AROUND THERE.
02:33:02PM POINT 8.
02:33:04PM A LITTLE BIT LESS
02:33:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: 2.2% COMES OUT AS BRINE WASTE.
02:33:09PM HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DISPOSE OF THAT?
02:33:12PM >> RIGHT NOW THAT WILL BE SENT BACK TO THE HEAD OF THE
02:33:14PM PLANT.
02:33:14PM IF WE WERE TO GO FULL-SCALE, IT COULD BE DEEP WELL
02:33:19PM INJECTION, OF COURSE MEETING ALL THE REGULATIONS AND ALL
02:33:21PM THAT, BUT THAT WILL BE EVERYONE OF THE OPTIONS WE WOULD
02:33:23PM CONSIDER WAY DOWN THE LINE THOUGH.
02:33:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT ARE SOME COUNTY OPTIONS YOU WOULD
02:33:31PM CONSIDER?
02:33:32PM >> WE HAVEN'T LOOKED INTO THAT.
02:33:34PM THE DEEP WELL INJECTION IS ON THE TABLE --
02:33:38PM >> CAN I THROW OUT ONE THING ON THE -- ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES
02:33:41PM OF THE BICARB METHOD.
02:33:45PM BY USING BICARBONATE, USE SOME PRECIPITATION OF THE BRINE
02:33:52PM WASTE AND REDUCE IT MORE THAN WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
02:33:54PM IT IS VERY PRELIMINARY AND PIE IN THE SKY.
02:33:59PM THE BICARBONS ARE A GENTLE REGENERATION OF WHAT WE ARE
02:34:04PM TRYING TO DO WITH IT.
02:34:05PM THERE ARE A FEW UTILITIES LOOKING AT THIS TYPE OF PROCESS
02:34:08PM WHO CAN RECYCLE IT BACK TO THEIR WASTEWATER PLANT.
02:34:11PM THE WASTEWATER PLANT DOES REMOVE A LOT OF THE THINGS WE ARE
02:34:15PM LOOKING AT.
02:34:17PM AND WE DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN RECYCLE AND MAINTAIN WHAT WE ARE
02:34:21PM TRYING TO DO.
02:34:21PM THAT IS ONE OPTION.
02:34:22PM THE OTHER IS BY BICARBON.
02:34:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST BECAUSE I HAVE TO KIND OF THROW IT OUT
02:34:31PM THERE.
02:34:31PM NORMAL FOR A CITY CONTRACTOR HELP PAY FOR A PILOT THAT IT IS
02:34:35PM GOING TO -- THAT THE CITY INTENDS TO USE AS A FUTURE
02:34:39PM CONTRACTOR?
02:34:43PM >> WE HAVE OUTSIDE FUNDING AGENCIES LIKE RESOURCE AND BUREAU
02:34:48PM RECLAMATION, IT IS PRETTY COMMON.
02:34:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
02:34:52PM WE GO BACK TO THE SLIDES OF WHAT THEY PULL OUT.
02:34:54PM YOU KNOW, THIS ENTIRE CONVERSATION FOR THE LAST YEAR HAS
02:34:58PM BEEN ABOUT NUTRIENTS.
02:35:00PM THERE.
02:35:01PM THERE IT IS.
02:35:01PM EXCELLENT.
02:35:02PM THANK YOU.
02:35:03PM THIS ONLY TAKES OUT 30% TO 35%.
02:35:08PM >> OF EACH ONE, YEAH.
02:35:11PM TOTAL IN TONNAGE-WISE, CLOSE TO 55%.
02:35:16PM THIS IS ONE DATA POINT AND WILL NEED MORE.
02:35:20PM IT WILL NOT TAKE OUT ALL OF THE NUTRIENTS.
02:35:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK: REALLY WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT THE EFFICACY
02:35:26PM WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO TRYING TO TAKE OUT NUTRIENTS.
02:35:30PM THIS IS A THIRD EFFECTIVE.
02:35:31PM THE DATA I AM SEEING IS 35% AND 30%.
02:35:36PM >> YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE COMPARISON OF OTHER TECHNOLOGIES
02:35:38PM AND VINNIE, YOU MAY HAVE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION THERE ON
02:35:41PM WHAT THIS PERFORMANCE AND HOW IT COMPARES TO OTHER
02:35:44PM TECHNOLOGIES.
02:35:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
02:35:46PM THAT IS FAIR, BUT, AGAIN, WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO -- I
02:35:50PM MEAN, AS OUR CONVERSATION WAS FOR TWO HOURS TO GET RID OF
02:35:54PM NITROGEN.
02:35:55PM THIS DOES NOT SEEM TO DO A REALLY BANG-UP JOB AT IT FOR THE
02:36:00PM COST OF WHAT IT WOULD BE.
02:36:03PM >> I WOULD SAY THE ONLY WAY TO REMOVE ALL OF IT IS TO MOVE
02:36:07PM IT ENTIRELY.
02:36:08PM THIS IS A REALLY GREAT PERFORMANCE.
02:36:10PM AGAIN, WE LOOK AT OTHER TECHNOLOGIES AND SEE WHAT THEIR
02:36:14PM PERFORMANCE IS COMPARED TO THAT.
02:36:15PM BUT THESE ARE VERY GOOD RESULTS AND EQUIVALENT TO 55% OF THE
02:36:19PM TOTAL TONNAGE IN A YEAR.
02:36:21PM >>BRAD BAIRD: WE WILL KNOW MORE IF WE GIVE YOU UPDATES.
02:36:29PM IF THIS IS ONLY ONE DATA POINT, WE CAN COME BACK AND HONE IN
02:36:33PM ON THAT.
02:36:33PM I WOULD SAY THE PHOSPHOROUS COMPONENT IS OVER 57%.
02:36:38PM THAT BUMPS UP THE TOTAL AMOUNT.
02:36:41PM SO WE WILL SEE, YOU KNOW, IF IT IS HIGHER THAN 35% FOR
02:36:46PM NITRATE AND 30% FOR NITRITE.
02:36:49PM AND WE WILL DO THE MATH.
02:36:53PM AND EVERY TIME WE HAVE AN UPDATE WE WILL HAVE A BETTER
02:36:56PM NUMBER.
02:36:56PM OR, YOU KNOW, MORE ACCURATE.
02:36:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT ARE THE OPERATING COSTS OVER ITS
02:37:03PM EXPECTANT LIFE.
02:37:05PM >> THAT IS A VINNIE QUESTION IF YOU HAVE --
02:37:08PM >> I WAS ABLE TO LOOK AT THE SALT USE THAT WE HAVE ON TIP,
02:37:12PM AND IT IS $1 30 PER MILLION GALLONS OF WATER TREATED.
02:37:17PM THAT IS THE CHEMICAL SIDE OF IT.
02:37:19PM THERE IS A POWER COMPONENT TO KEEP THE RESIN SUSPENSION.
02:37:25PM THAT NUMBER IS -- THAT ONE I AM GOING TO HAVE TO GET BACK TO
02:37:36PM YOU ON.
02:37:36PM I HAVE THE SALT AT MY FINGERTIPS.
02:37:38PM ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE SCENARIO.
02:37:41PM BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT AT THE TIP OF MY FINGERS.
02:37:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE DON'T KNOW THE OPERATIONAL COST THEN?
02:37:48PM >> WE WILL HAVE A BETTER IDEA THROUGH THE PILOT AS WELL.
02:37:51PM WE WILL SEE HOW MUCH SALT WE ACTUALLY USE AND WILL BE ABLE
02:37:54PM TO GIVE YOU A GOOD NUMBER ON THAT.
02:37:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ALSO I WOULD LOVE AN ESTIMATE OF THE COST OF
02:37:59PM CONSTRUCTING THIS.
02:38:00PM >> THAT WAS ABOUT $100 MILLION IF YOU WERE TREATING THE
02:38:04PM ENTIRE 50 MGD.
02:38:07PM $2 PER GALLON PER DAY.
02:38:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST CONSTRUCTING THE SYSTEM.
02:38:13PM >> THAT WILL BE THE CAPITAL COST.
02:38:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK: FOR 50.
02:38:18PM WOULD THE CAPITAL COST IF YOU DON'T NEED TO DO 50.
02:38:22PM >>THE FULL 50?
02:38:23PM YES IT, RELATED TO HOW MUCH YOU COULD TREAT.
02:38:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK: GOOD.
02:38:28PM WE COULD REDUCE THAT.
02:38:30PM COMPARE TO THE OTHER THINGS WHAT IS THE OTHER CONTAMINANTS
02:38:34PM THAT SIX REMOVES.
02:38:35PM >> TOC SEEING GOOD REMOVALS OF.
02:38:39PM SULFATE.
02:38:40PM MELANIE AND VINNIE, IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO OTHER ONES BUT
02:38:44PM THOSE ARE THE ONES WE ARE SEEING GREAT REMOVALS ON.
02:38:52PM >> THE OTHER BENEFIT WOULD BE PFAS REMOVAL.
02:38:57PM THE CHALLENGE WITH PFAS, WE ARE TRYING TO IDENTIFY IS WHY IS
02:39:01PM THE RANGE OF PFAS REMOVAL GREAT SOMETIMES.
02:39:04PM NOT SO GREAT OTHER TIMES AND WE ARE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH
02:39:07PM THE DATA.
02:39:08PM HOPEFULLY WITH THE DATA WE GET FROM THIS, WE WILL ANSWER
02:39:11PM SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
02:39:12PM THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT THE AGENCIES THAT ARE FUNDING
02:39:15PM ARE ASKING AS WELL.
02:39:16PM THE NICE THING ABOUT ALL OF THIS IS WHAT THE LEVELS THAT WE
02:39:20PM HAVE SEEN AT THE WATER PLANT.
02:39:21PM WE KNOW SIX PROCESS IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET YOU BELOW
02:39:26PM THE MCL OVER THERE AND SEPARATELY FROM THIS PROJECT.
02:39:29PM BUT RELATIVE TO WASTEWATER SIDE, IT IS A LITTLE BIT UP IN
02:39:34PM THE AIR.
02:39:34PM WE SEE 60% REMOVAL.
02:39:36PM WE SEE 10% REMOVAL.
02:39:38PM AND WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE REASONS WHY FOR THAT.
02:39:41PM WE HAVE BEEN CALLING IT SOME PFAS REMOVAL TO MANAGE PEOPLE'S
02:39:46PM EXPECTATIONS.
02:39:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THEN I THINK SOMETHING THAT THE STAKEHOLDERS
02:39:49PM HAVE BROUGHT UP FOR SEVERAL YEARS IS THAT THIS -- WE SHOULD
02:39:53PM HAVE, THEN, A VERY CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THE STUFF THAT WE
02:39:57PM HAVE.
02:39:57PM YOU SHOULD HAVE A VERY GOOD BASELINE DATA RIGHT NOW OF WHAT
02:40:00PM WE ARE CURRENTLY PUTTING OUT, CORRECT?
02:40:05PM >> CORRECT.
02:40:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT DATA -- WHEN WILL ALL OF THAT DATA, THE
02:40:09PM DATA OF WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY PUTTING OUT AND WHAT TYPES OF
02:40:14PM THINGS ARE COMING OUT.
02:40:15PM THAT DATA WILL BE ABSOLUTELY ALL OF IT AVAILABLE TO THE
02:40:18PM PUBLIC.
02:40:18PM WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT.
02:40:21PM WILL THAT BE AT THAT NOVEMBER DATE?
02:40:24PM >> THE JANUARY DATE.
02:40:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE JANUARY DATE?
02:40:28PM >> THE DATA, YES.
02:40:29PM THERE IS REGULAR DOCTOR REGULAR WATER SAMPLES TAKEN AT THE
02:40:33PM FACILITY AS WELL.
02:40:34PM AND WE HAVE YEARS AND YEARS OF DATA TO LOOK AT THAT
02:40:37PM HISTORICALLY AND WE WILL HAVE ALL OF THIS DATA PUBLICLY
02:40:40PM AVAILABLE, YES.
02:40:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT DAY THAT HAS NOT BEEN PUBLICLY AVAILABLE
02:40:47PM ACCORDING TO WHAT THE STAKEHOLDERS ARE SAYING.
02:40:49PM I KNOW THAT IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING ABOUT.
02:40:53PM IS THAT CORRECT?
02:40:54PM >>BRAD BAIRD: NO, THE DATA COMING OUT OF THE PLANT NOW IS
02:40:57PM PUBLICLY AVAILABLE AND WAS ON OUR WEB SITE FOR QUITE SOME
02:41:03PM TIME ON TAP PROJECT FROM 2018.
02:41:07PM AND I FORGET THE TIME FRAME WE HAD THAT DATA.
02:41:11PM >> 207 OR SOMETHING.
02:41:13PM >>BRAD BAIRD: BUT THAT WAS AVAILABLE BUT WE WERE ASKED TO
02:41:18PM TAKE DOWN ALL OF THE INFORMATION ASSOCIATED WITH TAP AND
02:41:22PM PURE, WE TOOK IT DOWN.
02:41:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT HAS BEEN 2007.
02:41:27PM ABOUT HAS THE DATA BEEN HOUSE.
02:41:30PM THAT WINTER THROUGH 2017.
02:41:32PM I HAVEN'T ANALYZE IT.
02:41:34PM THE LAST FEW YEARS OF DATA IS BEING ANALYZED AS WELL AND CAN
02:41:37PM BE AVAILABLE.
02:41:39PM >>BRAD BAIRD: COUNCILWOMAN WE CAN PRODUCE THAT AT ANY TIME
02:41:42PM AND PUT IT ON THE WEB SITE.
02:41:44PM I KNOW THAT STAKEHOLDERS ARE REALLY INTERESTED AND OTHER
02:41:47PM GROUPS THAT ARE WORKING ON WATER IN THE AREA CAN ALSO
02:41:50PM PROBABLY BE VERY INTERESTED.
02:41:51PM >>BRAD BAIRD: KEEP IN MIND THOSE REPORTS -- THIS ONE IS A
02:41:55PM WATER QUALITY REPORT AND PRETTY EXTENSIVE.
02:41:57PM AND IT DOES HAVE THE WORD "TAP" ON IT.
02:42:00PM JUST WANT TO WARN EVERYBODY.
02:42:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
02:42:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
02:42:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: EMPHASIZE THIS IS A TEST PILOT PROGRAM.
02:42:10PM NO DECISIONS WHETHER WE WILL MOVE FORWARD ON THIS OR NOT.
02:42:13PM IMPORTANT THING TO CONSIDER LOOKING AT IN DISCUSSION.
02:42:16PM I AM EXCITED ABOUT IT, EVEN IF IT COMES UP EMPTY, AT LEAST
02:42:20PM WE ARE DOING OUR BEST TO CREATE A PROCESS.
02:42:22PM ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING OF HAVING PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS THAT
02:42:28PM THIS HAS BEEN SCALABLE IN THE NETHERLANDS.
02:42:31PM THE FIRST TIME THIS IS USE IN THE UNITED STATES AND TESTED.
02:42:34PM THIS IS EXCITING.
02:42:35PM CUTTING EDGE ON SOMETHING THAT NOBODY IN THE UNITED STATES
02:42:38PM HAS DONE BEFORE AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL SEE SOME RESULTS.
02:42:41PM I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THE RESULTS.
02:42:44PM I RECOGNIZE IT IS PART OF THAT TEST.
02:42:46PM REFERENCE THE NETHER ALEXANDRIA.
02:42:48PM THE SAME TECHNOLOGY THAT WE ARE PILOTING HERE OR ARE THEY
02:42:52PM USING A DIFFERENT -- LIKE THE RESIN BEADS AND CRATING THE
02:42:56PM BRINE SOLUTION.
02:42:57PM >> CORRECT.
02:42:58PM THE SAME TECHNOLOGY.
02:42:59PM PENTAGON.
02:43:00PM THE PLANT IN AMSTERDAM OPERATIONAL IN 2015 ON THE SAME
02:43:08PM RESIN.
02:43:08PM THEY NEVER REPLACED IT.
02:43:10PM SAME TECHNOLOGY.
02:43:11PM ANOTHER IN THE UK IN THE MAYFLOWER PLANT.
02:43:15PM A LITTLE SMALLER, 24 MGD AND A INSTALLATION IN SWITZERLAND
02:43:23PM OVER 70 MGD.
02:43:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE NETHERLANDS, HOW DO THEY DISPOSE OF
02:43:31PM THEIR BRINE.
02:43:32PM >> IN THE NETHERLANDS, THEIR THE UTILITY THAT INVENTED THE
02:43:35PM TECHNOLOGY SO THEY HAVE BEEN DOING A LOT OF DIFFERENT
02:43:38PM STUDIES ON THEIR BRINE.
02:43:39PM RIGHT NOW THEY DUMP IT TO SEWER.
02:43:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THEY DO WHAT?
02:43:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DUMP IT IN SEWER.
02:43:46PM IT GOES BACK INTO THE PROCESS.
02:43:49PM >> THAT'S WHY THEY LOOKED AT BICARBONATE DEGENERATION THAT
02:43:56PM WE ARE PILOTING IT HERE FOR THE SAME DRIVER BECAUSE THEY
02:43:59PM KNOW LONG TERM, THEY GOT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DISPOSE OF
02:44:02PM THAT WASTE RATHER THAN DUMPING IT BACK TO THE SEWER.
02:44:06PM THEY SEE BI CARBONATE TO REMOVE IT.
02:44:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS IS ONE TECHNOLOGY.
02:44:17PM ANY THINGS THAT OTHER COUNTRIES, THE REVERSE OSMOSIS WE ARE
02:44:23PM AWARE OF AND IMPROVED MEMBRANES.
02:44:26PM SOME CUTTING-EDGE TECHNOLOGY WE SHOULD BE FORWARD THINKING
02:44:29PM AND LOOK AT AS WELL TO PILOT IN THIS CITY?
02:44:33PM >> VINNIE.
02:44:34PM >> IMPLORE OF A SIX EXPERT.
02:44:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OFF VESTED INTEREST.
02:44:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU CAN BITE YOUR TONGUE.
02:44:45PM HOW ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN FRONT OF ME.
02:44:47PM AWARE OF ANY TECHNOLOGY, CUTTING-EDGE TECHNOLOGY THAT WILL
02:44:52PM BE THE NEXT BIGGEST AND GREATEST THING.
02:44:55PM >> NOT AT THE MOMENT.
02:44:57PM I WILL BE HAPPY TO LOOK INTO THE THAT AND GET BACK TO YOU.
02:45:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A PROBLEM THAT IS NOT GOING AWAY TODAY.
02:45:03PM THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE THE SOLUTION FOR THE PROBLEM.
02:45:06PM AGAIN, I AM VERY HOPEFUL THAT TECHNOLOGY IS EVOLVING AT A
02:45:10PM RAPID PACE.
02:45:11PM THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD AND WAITING FOR PEOPLE
02:45:15PM SMARTER THAN ME TO COME UP WITH THE PROCESS TO REMOVE THESE
02:45:17PM THINGS TO MAKE SURE -- LIKE I SAID, BEING GREAT STEWARDS.
02:45:21PM I AM EXCITED ABOUT IT.
02:45:23PM I LOOK FORWARD TO TOURING THE PLANT.
02:45:24PM I AM GOING TO DO SOME OF MY OWN DUE DILIGENCE TO LOOK WHAT
02:45:28PM IS HAPPENING IN THE UK AND THE NETHERLANDS TO SEE WHAT THEIR
02:45:33PM PROCESS IS LIKE.
02:45:34PM I APPRECIATE THE STAKE HOLD WHO HAVE COME UP AND HELPED US
02:45:38PM WITH PILOT PROGRAM AND THAT THE STATE IS ALSO THROUGH A
02:45:42PM GRANT IS PART OF THIS AS WELL SO THANK YOU.
02:45:47PM APPRECIATE IT.
02:45:47PM >> COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN, A CLARIFYING QUESTION.
02:45:51PM ARE YOU SPECIFIC TO NUTRIENTS OR IN GENERAL FOR REUSE
02:45:56PM APPLICATIONS.
02:45:56PM WHAT EXACTLY?
02:45:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE PURIFICATION PROCESS.
02:46:00PM AGAIN -- AS I LISTEN TO -- EVEN LIKE THIS, I STILL SEE THAT
02:46:04PM WE ARE STILL LEAVING A LOT ON THE TABLE AS FAR AS THE
02:46:07PM POLLUTANTS AND THINGS INTRODUCE THROUGH INDUSTRY, THROUGH
02:46:11PM HOUSE HOLD USE AND VARIOUS WAYS.
02:46:14PM SO I THINK SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE WE NEED TO DO A BETTER
02:46:18PM JOB OF CLEANING UP AFTER OURSELVES.
02:46:20PM YOU KNOW WHAT YOU TRY TO GET A TEENAGER TO DO, CLEAN UP
02:46:24PM AFTER OURSELVES AND WE NEED TO CLEAN UP AFTER OURSELVES.
02:46:27PM I AM EXCITED WHO IS EXPLORING OTHER OPTIONS OF GETTING
02:46:31PM THINGS OUT OF OUR WATER SO IT IS SAFE FOR HUMANS AND THE
02:46:36PM ENVIRONMENT.
02:46:36PM AND WE ARE NOT JUST CONTINUING TO DUMP CRAP OUT AND EXPECT
02:46:42PM CLEAN WATER IN.
02:46:43PM >>BRAD BAIRD: LET US COME BACK TO YOU WITH OUR NEXT UPDATE
02:46:49PM AND INCLUDE THAT IN THE PRESENTATION.
02:46:50PM WHAT OTHER TECHNOLOGIES ARE OUT THERE AROUND THE WORLD THAT
02:46:53PM PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT.
02:46:54PM AND WHAT COMBINATION OF TECHNOLOGIES.
02:46:56PM I MEAN THERE IS ULTIMA FILTRATION.
02:46:59PM YOU KNOW, THERE'S -- THERE IS REVERSE OSMOSIS.
02:47:05PM FIXED ION EXCHANGE.
02:47:07PM SUSPENDED ION EXCHANGE THAT USES DIFFERENT KINDS OF RESINS
02:47:12PM THAT CAN TARGET THE WATER YOU HAVE MORE.
02:47:14PM AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT NETHERLANDS ARE WORKING ON AS
02:47:18PM WELL.
02:47:18PM SO THERE IS A LOT OUT THERE.
02:47:22PM AND GRANULATED ACTIVATED CARBON.
02:47:26PM SOMETIMES IT IS BETTER TO PUT A COMBINATION OF BARRIERS IN
02:47:30PM PLACE TO GET IT DONE.
02:47:30PM WE CAN DO A LOT BETTER JOB IN A MONTH OR SO.
02:47:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALSO SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, LONGER TERM
02:47:37PM -- AND I AM SURE SOME OF THIS CAN BE MY OWN GOOGLE MD.
02:47:42PM THE RATE OF RETURN ON RO AND WHERE WE ARE WITH COST, ENERGY
02:47:47PM AND SLUDGE.
02:47:47PM HOW ARE WE ON THAT CURVE?
02:47:50PM FLATTENED OUT?
02:47:52PM SOME PROJECTION THAT TECHNOLOGY IS GOING IN A BETTER WAY FOR
02:47:55PM US?
02:47:56PM SO WE CAN MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS OF FUTURE PROOFING THE
02:47:59PM CITY.
02:48:02PM >>BRAD BAIRD: WILL DO.
02:48:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
02:48:06PM >>BILL CARLSON: BY THE WAY THE NUMBER I GAVE TO COUNCILWOMAN
02:48:09PM HURTAK, I NEEDED TO DOUBLE IT.
02:48:11PM SO IT WAS, LIKE, 43,200 A DAY.
02:48:15PM SO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
02:48:17PM YOU TALKED ABOUT OTHER CITIES JUST NOW.
02:48:19PM AND ALSO THE NETHERLANDS.
02:48:23PM DOES SOMEBODY HAVE A LARGE-SCALE VERSION OF THIS OPERATING
02:48:26PM THAT IS HITTING HIGH NUMBERS?
02:48:31PM >> THAT WILL BE VINNIE.
02:48:32PM IN THE NETHERLANDS.
02:48:33PM INSTALLING ONE AT THE WATER PLANT AT THE MOMENT THAT WILL BE
02:48:36PM THE LARGEST IN THE WORLD.
02:48:38PM >>BILL CARLSON: IN THE NETHERLANDS.
02:48:40PM >> SORRY.
02:48:41PM >> THE ONDIKE PLANT IS 32 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
02:48:48PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHICH ONE.
02:48:49PM >> THE ONE IN AMSTERDAM, ONDIKE.
02:48:53PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE NUMBERS THEY ARE GETTING OUT OF THAT 30
02:48:57PM TO 35%.
02:48:58PM THOSE NUMBERS SIMILAR?
02:49:00PM >> THE NUMBERS THEY GET OUT OF THAT PLANT IS A LOT LESS IAN
02:49:05PM I DON'T KNOWS COMPETING AND THEY HAVE SEEN BETTER NUMBERS
02:49:07PM THAN OUR FIRST ROUND OF TESTING.
02:49:10PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT IS THEIR MAXIMUM THAT THEY ARE GET?
02:49:14PM >> I WILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK TO BE HONEST -- I WOULD
02:49:17PM BE SHOOTING FROM IF THE HIP IF I TRIED TO ANSWER THAT,
02:49:20PM SORRY.
02:49:22PM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU TALKED OF R.O. A LOT.
02:49:24PM WHAT PERCENTAGES WILL COME OUT OF A R.O. STUDY.
02:49:28PM >> IN TERMS OF NUTRIENTS?
02:49:30PM >>BILL CARLSON: THAT SAME CHART --
02:49:33PM >> WE CAN PUT THAT TOGETHER FOR YOU BASED OTHER RESOURCE.
02:49:38PM >>BILL CARLSON: IF THERE IS SOME OTHER -- MY CONCERN IS, I
02:49:42PM AM ALL FOR INNOVATION AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE STAY ON THE
02:49:45PM LEADING EDGE OF INNOVATION BUT SOMETHING THAT HAVEN'T REALLY
02:49:53PM BEEN TESTED CAN END UP COSTING US A LOT OF MONEY AND SOME
02:49:56PM CASE STUDIES AROUND HERE LIKE THE DESAL PLANT AT THE
02:50:00PM BEGINNING BUILT BY PRIVATE VENDORS FOR TAMPA BAY WATER AND
02:50:04PM THEY UNDERESTIMATED MUSCLE MUSSELS AND OTHER THINGS THAT
02:50:10PM WERE PUT IN IT.
02:50:11PM ALSO, PART OF IT WAS THE ISSUE THEY ARE HAVING NOW IS THAT
02:50:15PM TECO HAS CHANGED THE TYPE OF FUEL THEY ARE USING.
02:50:19PM SO THEY DON'T HAVE THE WATER SOURCE THAT THEY HAD BEFORE
02:50:29PM THEY ARE TRYING ADAPT TO THAT.
02:50:31PM GREAT TO YOU ON THE LEADING EDGE BUT GREAT THAT WE CAN
02:50:35PM AFFORD IT ALSO.
02:50:36PM PEOPLE WOULDN'T SAY THIS ANYMORE, BUT THE OLD THING TO SAY,
02:50:39PM NOBODY GETS FIRED BY HIRING IBM.
02:50:42PM IF YOU HIRE MICROSOFT OR GOOGLE -- YOU GET MICROSOFT OR
02:50:46PM GOOGLE FOR YOUR E-MAIL SYSTEM, PROBABLY PEOPLE WILL COMPLAIN
02:50:49PM BUT THINK YOU GOT THE RIGHT SYSTEM.
02:50:51PM BUT IF YOU GET SOME SYSTEM THAT HAVEN'T BEEN TESTED VERY
02:50:55PM MUCH ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, THEN A LOT OF CUSTOMIZATION AND
02:51:00PM PROBLEMS.
02:51:01PM SO I THINK IT IS INTERESTING TO LOOK AT.
02:51:04PM WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS APPLY IT TO THE ENTIRE 50 MGD FOR
02:51:08PM THAT.
02:51:08PM BUT ALSO YOU HAVE TO APPLY IT TO THE 28 MGD.
02:51:15PM THE SAME SUBSTANCES IN THE DRINKING WATER.
02:51:19PM >> YES, IT IS IN THE DESIGN PHASE FOR SIX WITH THE DIRECT
02:51:24PM WATER PLANT.
02:51:24PM WE HAVE LOOKED AT THE BUSINESS CASE THERE IN TERMS OF WHAT
02:51:28PM SAYING WE WOULD HAVE WITH SLUDGE DISPOSAL AND CHEMICAL --
02:51:31PM REDUCTION OF CHEMICAL COST.
02:51:33PM AT THE TIME WE DID THAT WHICH WAS A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, IT
02:51:38PM WAS A SAVINGS OF FOUR MILLION A YEAR.
02:51:41PM LET US COME BACK IN THE NEXT UPDATE WITH THOSE NUMBERS AS
02:51:46PM WELL.
02:51:46PM >>BILL CARLSON: BRAD, GO BACK TO THE CHART WITH THE 30 AND
02:51:50PM 50%.
02:51:51PM >>BRAD BAIRD: SURE.
02:51:52PM >>BILL CARLSON: MY COLLEAGUE, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, TALKS OF
02:51:56PM THE STATE-OF-THE-ART TERTIARY TREATMENT CENTER.
02:51:58PM WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS YOU GET OUT OF THAT COMPARED TO THIS?
02:52:03PM >> AT TIPPIN?
02:52:06PM >>BRAD BAIRD: YEAH, AT TIPPIN.
02:52:08PM >> I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE THOSE NUMBERS AND THE NITROGENS
02:52:12PM ARE LOW IN THE RIVER.
02:52:13PM THESE ARE NOT MEASURABLES.
02:52:16PM ALMOST NEGLIGIBLE THEY ARE SO LOW.
02:52:18PM I DON'T HAVE THAT DATA.
02:52:19PM >>BILL CARLSON: EARLIER, BRAD, I ASKED YOU OF THE QUESTION
02:52:22PM OF THE NITROGEN IN THE RIVER AND YOU SAID IT WAS COMPARABLE
02:52:26PM TO WHAT WE ARE GETTING FROM THE 50 MGD.
02:52:31PM YOU SAID 300 TONS A YEAR --
02:52:34PM >>BRAD BAIRD: LET ME CLARIFY THAT.
02:52:36PM WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT OVER LUNCH.
02:52:38PM FROM THE -- THE RIVER VARIES AS WELL AND THE PLANT -- THE
02:52:43PM WASTEWATER PLANT IS A LOT MORE CONSISTENT.
02:52:45PM BUT THE RIVER HAS ABOUT ONE MILLIGRAM PER -- ONE -- ONE
02:52:54PM MILLIGRAM PER LEADER, THANK YOU, OF NITROGEN AND THE PLANT
02:53:00PM IS 2.3 TO 2.4.
02:53:01PM SO LESS THAN HALF.
02:53:03PM BUT WHEN YOU AVERAGE THE FLOW OVER THE YEAR, THE FLOW IS A
02:53:07PM LOT MORE THAN 50 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
02:53:11PM WHY HE WAS SAYING WHEN YOU DO THE MATH.
02:53:15PM THE TOTAL TONNAGE.
02:53:17PM SHOULD BE CLOSE.
02:53:18PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES.
02:53:25PM YOU LOOK AT THE REFER --
02:53:27PM >>BRAD BAIRD: FOR THE WHOLE YEAR.
02:53:29PM >>BILL CARLSON: 300 TONS OF NITROGEN PER YEAR GOING FROM THE
02:53:33PM 50 MGD.
02:53:35PM TO THE TWO BILLION MGM OF THE RIVER.
02:53:39PM HOW MANY TONS OF KNIFE THROW AGAIN.
02:53:44PM I TRY TO ARE DO RESEARCH 8 TO 10 BILLION.
02:53:50PM >>BRAD BAIRD: NO, DO MILLIGRAMS TO POUNDS.
02:53:53PM >>BILL CARLSON: I TOOK THE NUMBERS YOU TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
02:53:56PM IF YOU WILL DO THAT, I WOULD BE INTERESTED.
02:53:59PM TALK ABOUT THE ESTUARY.
02:54:00PM THIS MORNING I WAS TALKING OF OUTCOMES VERSUS OUTPUT.
02:54:05PM THE OUTCOME WE WANT TO REDUCE -- THE OUTCOME WHICH WANT TO
02:54:09PM HELP THE LIFE OF THE BAY AND THE ECOSYSTEM IN THE BAY.
02:54:13PM AND THEN ANOTHER OUTCOME THAT WE WANT TO HAVE PURER WATER
02:54:17PM THAT WE CAN DRINK.
02:54:18PM WE WANT TO WORK ON SAFER, HEALTHIER WATER FOR OUR CITIZENS.
02:54:21PM SO -- BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT -- NOT ONLY -- WE NEED TO LOOK
02:54:27PM AT WHAT IS THE OUTPUTS OF THAT TO GET TO THAT POINT.
02:54:30PM AND HOW MUCH -- HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST.
02:54:34PM IF THERE IS A PROBABLY WITH THE 300 TONS PER YEAR, WE
02:54:38PM POTENTIALLY HAVE MILLIONS OF TONS COMING OUT OF THE RIVER.
02:54:42PM >>BRAD BAIRD: WOULDN'T BE MILLIONS OF TONS.
02:54:44PM LIKE I SAID SHOULD BE COMPARABLE AND I AM DOING THAT IN MY
02:54:48PM HEAD.
02:54:48PM WE CAN GET YOU THAT.
02:54:49PM THE IMPORTANT THING YOU NEED TO KNOW YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT A
02:54:54PM TIME FRAME LONG ENOUGH WITH THE HIGH FLOWS AND NO FLOWS.
02:54:58PM YOU HAVE THAT AVERAGE AND YOU CAN CALCULATE THE POUNDS.
02:55:01PM BECAUSE -- AND WE HAVE THAT EASILY AT THE PLANT, AT THE
02:55:05PM WASTEWATER PLANT.
02:55:06PM BUT THEY ARE MORE, YOU KNOW, GRAB SAMPLES.
02:55:11PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SIMILAR TO WHAT MY
02:55:14PM COLLEAGUES, THE TOP TWO OR THREE TECHNOLOGY IN IF THE WORLD.
02:55:17PM HOW MUCH DO THEY TYPICALLY COST PER MILLION GALLONS A DAY,
02:55:22PM FOR EXAMPLE.
02:55:22PM AND WHAT NUMBERS THEY GET OUT SO WE CAN COMPARE THE COST AND
02:55:26PM THE OUTPUT TO -- TO ANY NEW TECHNOLOGY KNOWING WE NEED TO
02:55:35PM PUT VARIABILITY AND IT MIGHT CHANGE BECAUSE NEW TECHNOLOGY.
02:55:39PM LOOK AT IT FOR THE 50 MGD AND THE 82.
02:55:42PM A FORMULA THAT WE CAN APPLY TO THE 50 MGD.
02:55:46PM THE 82 MGD AND THE PROBLEM WITH THE RIVER.
02:55:49PM WHEN WE LEARN OF THE NITRATES, THE REAL PROBLEM.
02:55:54PM >>BRAD BAIRD: ALL OF THAT WE WILL NEED MORE THAN THE
02:55:58PM ONE-MONTH TIME ON THE NEXT UPDATE, BUT YES, WE CAN GET YOU
02:56:01PM THAT.
02:56:02PM >>BILL CARLSON: HOW MUCH IS THIS STUDY COSTING?
02:56:05PM >> NOTHING TO THE CITY.
02:56:06PM >>BILL CARLSON: MAYBE STAFF TIME.
02:56:09PM >>BRAD BAIRD: YEAH, IT IS INCLUDING STAFF TIME.
02:56:11PM BUT, YEAH, ALL GRANT-FUNDED.
02:56:15PM AND YOU HAVE FUNDED IT ALREADY SO WE CAN PROVIDE IT
02:56:19PM UP-FRONT.
02:56:20PM WE WILL GET REIMBURSED FOR THAT.
02:56:23PM AND REMEMBER, YOU GUYS MADE A MOTION OR CITY COUNCIL MADE A
02:56:28PM MOTION THAT ONCE THIS SIX PILOT REPORT IS ISSUED THEN
02:56:34PM THAT PCL CONTRACT IS NO MORE.
02:56:38PM >>BILL CARLSON: ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
02:56:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE.
02:56:41PM ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISHES TO SPEAK.
02:56:43PM >> YOU KNOW I COME WITH THIS FREEBIE TODAY.
02:56:49PM JOE ROBINSON, S.W.F.W.M.D.
02:56:53PM YOU HEARD IT EARLIER.
02:56:54PM WE ARE GETTING THERE NOW.
02:56:55PM BOYS HAVE CALLED AND TOLD ME, YOU ARE GETTING CLOSE.
02:56:59PM Y'ALL KEEP DOING WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
02:57:01PM THIS IS THE PROBLEM.
02:57:01PM YOU HAVE EXPERTS OUT HERE.
02:57:03PM AND WE GOT PEOPLE UP THERE WHO ARE JUST LAYMEN.
02:57:07PM YOU KNOW, YOU ARE LEARNING THIS MATH.
02:57:09PM IT IS NOT FUZZY, BUT YOU JUST CAN'T ASK ME WHAT ABOUT THIS.
02:57:13PM THIS IS WHY IT TAKES TIME.
02:57:15PM ONE THING ABOUT THIS TYPE OF PROCESS -- SCIENCE IS A
02:57:18PM ITERATIVE PROCESS AND DISCOVERY DOESN'T START OUT WITH AN
02:57:23PM ANSWER OR RESOLUTION.
02:57:23PM EVEN YOUR CAREERS DIDN'T START OUT LIKE THAT.
02:57:27PM HERE IS THE DEAL.
02:57:28PM THE END OF JANUARY, ACCORDING TO THIS, THEY WILL HAVE YOU
02:57:33PM SOMETHING ON THE 6th.
02:57:34PM THEY WILL HAVE SOME NUMBERS.
02:57:36PM BEST THING THEY CAN DO IS PLAY THIS TAPE BACK AND RESPOND TO
02:57:40PM WHAT MR. CARLSON, BUT EVERYBODY UP THERE SAID SO WHEN YOU
02:57:44PM COME IN HERE.
02:57:45PM WE HAVE THE NUMBER FOR WHO IS DOING IT OVER HERE.
02:57:47PM WE KNOW WHAT PROCESS IS OVER HERE.
02:57:49PM WE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
02:57:50PM WE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING EVERYWHERE AROUND THE WORLD AND
02:57:53PM HOW TO APPLY IT HERE.
02:57:54PM CHANGE THIS CHART.
02:57:55PM RIGHT NOW YOU ARE SORT OF IN THE MIDDLE OF A GAME.
02:57:58PM AND YOU ARE ASKING THESE QUESTIONS OF HOW TO GET TO THE END
02:58:01PM AND YOU AIN'T GOT ALL THE DATA.
02:58:05PM THIS STUFF IS SCIENCE, ENGINEERING AND DATA.
02:58:08PM OKAY, DATA.
02:58:09PM THE DATA ON SOME OF THIS IS THAT WE ARE ON THE CUTTING EDGE.
02:58:13PM YOU ARE TALKING OF SCALING FACTORS.
02:58:16PM YOU MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING THIS SCALE.
02:58:19PM WHEN YOU SKY IT UP, WILL IT WORK?
02:58:22PM THAT IS WHY YOU HAVE A PILOT.
02:58:23PM THE SCALING PROCESS.
02:58:25PM HOW SCIENCE IS DONE ITERATIVE PROCESS.
02:58:28PM IN CLOSE, I WANT TO SAY THIS WITH MY LAST MINUTE ABOUT THESE
02:58:32PM PURPLE PIPES.
02:58:34PM NOW LET ME JUST CLEAR THIS UP.
02:58:36PM MR. CARLSON, YOU AND I STARTED AGREEING ON STUFF TODAY.
02:58:39PM I AM GETTING SCARED.
02:58:40PM MY BOY SAYING YOU AND CARLSON AGREEING ON STUFF.
02:58:43PM PIPE.
02:58:44PM WE DO HAVE PURPLE PIPE.
02:58:47PM I DON'T WANT YOU TO BE MISLED.
02:58:49PM WE DON'T WANT THE WHOLE CITY DONE WITH PURPLE PIPE BECAUSE
02:58:52PM WE KNOW IT IS BUILT OUT OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
02:58:55PM THAT IS NOT THE ANSWER, BRAD.
02:58:57PM THE ANSWER COULD BE, COULD WE LOOK AT THE PURPLE PIPE WE
02:59:00PM HAVE, WHICH JUST HAPPENS TO BE IN SOUTH TAMPA.
02:59:02PM WHY?
02:59:03PM BECAUSE THE PLANT SITS OVER HERE OF THE PORT OF COMPANY.
02:59:09PM IF YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION.
02:59:10PM CAN TECO USE THE WATER.
02:59:11PM ANYBODY DOWN THERE WITH ALL THAT INDUSTRY OVER THERE CAN USE
02:59:14PM THE WATER.
02:59:15PM I THINK IT IS GOING TO THE AIRPORT.
02:59:18PM WHAT YOU HAVE GOING OVER THERE.
02:59:19PM LISTEN TO ME.
02:59:20PM YOU DON'T NEED THE WHOLE CITY WITH PURPLE PIPE.
02:59:23PM I KNOW THE RICH PEOPLE WHERE YOU ARE AT, THEY LOVE IT.
02:59:26PM OKAY.
02:59:26PM SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT PIPE MAKES
02:59:31PM SENSE, NOT THE WHOLE CITY NEEDS TO BE DONE IN PURPLE PIPE
02:59:34PM WHICH IS TECHNICALLY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND NOT FEASIBLE.
02:59:37PM THAT IS CORRECT.
02:59:39PM HAVE WE BEEN REAL SMART DOING THE PIPES PROBABLY, WE WOULD
02:59:43PM BE LAYING PURPLE PIPE AND HOOKING IT UP LATER ON.
02:59:46PM LET'S MOVE ON.
02:59:46PM WE ARE TRYING TO COMPROMISE TODAY AND I AM WAITING FOR THE
02:59:51PM NEXT ITEM.
02:59:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
02:59:54PM >> NANCY STEVENS, TAMPA BAY SIERRA CLUB.
03:00:02PM THANK YOU.
03:00:04PM GREAT TRIUMPH IN TECHNOLOGY.
03:00:07PM SOUNDS VERY PROMISING.
03:00:08PM I GUESS A COUPLE OF THINGS.
03:00:09PM I AM HOPING GOING TO THE TRIALS LONG ENOUGH TO GET ALL THE
03:00:14PM SITUATIONS THAT YOU MIGHT SEE IN THE WASTEWATER INCLUDING
03:00:16PM WHAT DAYS, DRY DAYS, WHATEVER, HAS TO BE.
03:00:19PM SEEMS TO ME TAKING A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO HAVE THE
03:00:24PM COMPLETE DATA IS IMPORTANT TO NOT RUSHING IT.
03:00:26PM THAT WILL BE GREAT.
03:00:27PM JUST DASH COMMENT OF THE CONTAMINANTS.
03:00:31PM YES, ANY INFORMATION PROVIDE PUBLICLY ON WHAT CONTAMINANTS,
03:00:38PM INFORMATION YOU HAVE ON THE WASTEWATER STREAM.
03:00:40PM NOT JUST THE CONTAMINANTS YOU NEED TO PERFORM ON.
03:00:44PM PRESIDENT TYPE OF EPA BUT OTHER CONTAMINANTS OF CONCERN YOU
03:00:48PM MEASURED AND ANY INFORMATION YOU HAVE AVAILABLE FOR THAT
03:00:50PM THAT YOU CAN MAKE DAY AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, WE WOULD
03:00:53PM APPRECIATE IT.
03:00:53PM BECAUSE WE -- THAT IS A HUGE CONCERN WHAT ARE THE
03:00:56PM CONTAMINANTS.
03:00:57PM NOT JUST THE CONTAMINANTS THAT ARE REGULATED OR BEING
03:01:00PM MONITORED BUT ALL CONTAMINANTS.
03:01:03PM WHAT IS IN THE WASTEWATER AND ANY INFORMATION ON HOW THEY
03:01:06PM REMOVE THOSE OR NOT.
03:01:08PM IT IS APPRECIATED.
03:01:10PM IF YOU MAKE THAT AVAILABLE.
03:01:12PM THANK YOU.
03:01:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:01:13PM ANYBODY ELSE?
03:01:15PM THANK YOU.
03:01:16PM >>BRAD BAIRD: ONE FOLLOW-UP BECAUSE IT HAS COME UP A COUPLE
03:01:23PM OF TIMES OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TAKING MORE TIME.
03:01:26PM WE COULD DO THAT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING UP FRONT
03:01:30PM WITH COROLLA ENGINEERS TO DO IT.
03:01:35PM EVEN THOUGH WE WOULD GET REIMBURSED WITH IT ALL, WE WOULD
03:01:38PM HAVE TO COME UP AND INCREASE THAT PCL AGREEMENT TO EXTEND
03:01:42PM THE PILOT LONGER.
03:01:43PM WELL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
03:01:44PM AND WE HAVE EXTRA GRANT MONEY TO REIMBURSE ALL THAT.
03:01:49PM BUT IT WOULDN'T BE ANY COST TO THE CITY, BUT WOULD REQUIRE
03:01:52PM COMING BACK TO YOU FOR APPROVAL, AS WELL AS WE KEPT IT TO
03:01:56PM SIX PILOT ONLY.
03:01:57PM I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE TABLE.
03:02:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE COME BACK WITH
03:02:05PM SCIENCE -- SCIENCE JUSTIFICATION FOR AN EXTENDED PROBABLY.
03:02:08PM PURPOSE MISSING SOMETHING OR FELT LIKE SOMETHING WOULD BE
03:02:11PM GAINED BY IT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE WORTHY TO COME BACK TO
03:02:14PM US FOR MORE MONEY.
03:02:15PM BUT WITH THE SCIENTIFIC REASONS WHY YOU WOULD COME BACK US
03:02:25PM TO.
03:02:25PM >>BRAD BAIRD: WE WILL NEEDED TO DO THAT AT THE END TO SHUT
03:02:28PM DOWN THAT PILOT.
03:02:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WORTHY TO LOOK AT.
03:02:31PM >> I WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT, BECAUSE WE COULD DO THAT.
03:02:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM?
03:02:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE GRANT WAS A
03:02:40PM MILLION.
03:02:40PM AND WE ARE ONLY USING 750,000.
03:02:43PM A LOT OF MONEY TO PLAY WITH.
03:02:45PM AND I THINK -- IT IS STILL MONEY, AND WE CAN'T USE IT FOR
03:02:50PM THIS.
03:02:50PM SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS.
03:02:52PM I THINK WHAT MISS STEVENS BROUGHT UP THE FACT OF USING IT IS
03:02:55PM TESTING DURING THE DRY AND THE WET SEASON IS SOMETHING THAT
03:02:59PM IS INTERESTING THAT I HADN'T REALLY CONSIDERED, I THINK FOR
03:03:05PM ME, I WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTED TO SEE HOW -- HOW IT
03:03:10PM CHANGES MORE DURING THE DRY SEASON.
03:03:12PM I MEAN, TECHNICALLY, THIS HAS BEEN OUR WET SEASON, BUT IT IS
03:03:17PM UNUSUAL WET SEASON.
03:03:18PM >>BRAD BAIRD: IT HAS BEEN.
03:03:19PM AND THAT IS A VERY GOOD POINT.
03:03:21PM VERY GOOD POINT, NANCY.
03:03:24PM BECAUSE THOSE NUTRIENTS OBVIOUSLY GET DELUDED IN THE WET
03:03:29PM SEASON, RIGHT.
03:03:30PM WE HAVE HIGHER FLOWS.
03:03:31PM SO THOSE NUTRIENTS CONCENTRATION GOES DOWN.
03:03:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:03:37PM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU WERE TALKING OF THE CONTRACT JUST A
03:03:39PM MINUTE AGO.
03:03:39PM HOW LONG HAS COROLLA BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT OR ITS
03:03:45PM PREDECESSORS, TAP OR --
03:03:48PM >>BRAD BAIRD: TAP SINCE 2018.
03:03:50PM '16.
03:03:52PM SINCE 2016.
03:03:53PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT WAS THE ONE BEFORE THAT --
03:03:57PM >>BRAD BAIRD: I AM SORRY?
03:03:58PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE ONE BEFORE THAT, BEFORE TAP, DID THEY
03:04:01PM WORK ON THAT ONE TOO?
03:04:04PM >>BRAD BAIRD: NOR, THE TAMPA RESOURCE RECOVERY PROJECT?
03:04:08PM NO, THAT WAS MONTGOMERY WATSON.
03:04:11PM >>BILL CARLSON: THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE NEED TO
03:04:13PM CHANGE IN CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION.
03:04:15PM AND I KNOW WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT PROCESS AGAIN SOON.
03:04:18PM BUT I THINK THERE HAS TO BE A -- A LIMIT TO ONE COMPANY'S
03:04:24PM INVOLVEMENT IN THIS PARTICULAR KIND OF PROJECT.
03:04:26PM SOME THIS ONE IS NOW FIVE OR SIX YEARS.
03:04:29PM AND I THINK WE JUST NEED DIVERSITY OF THOUGHTS.
03:04:33PM WE NEED TO ALLOW MORE COMPETITION.
03:04:35PM SO WHATEVER WE DO GOING FORWARD, I WOULD EXPECT THAT THERE
03:04:39PM WILL BE SOME KIND OF RFP TO LOOK AT WHAT THE COMPANIES ARE
03:04:43PM OUT THERETO.
03:04:44PM CAROLLO WOULD BID ON IT.
03:04:48PM BUT I THINK WE NEED AN OPEN LE RFP PROCESS.
03:04:52PM UCL IS THE MAIN CONTRACTOR.
03:04:55PM >>BRAD BAIRD: CORRECT.
03:04:57PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT KIND OF COMPANY ARE THEY?
03:05:00PM >>BRAD BAIRD: CONSTRUCTION COMPANY.
03:05:02PM >>BILL CARLSON: TO MY COLLEAGUES, BETA TESTING AND A
03:05:06PM CONSTRUCTION COMPANY WAS HIRED TO LEAD THE PROBABLY.
03:05:08PM NOT AN ENGINEERING FIRM.
03:05:10PM THE EDGE NEARING FIRM IS A SUB TO THE CONTRACTING COMPANY.
03:05:15PM >>BRAD BAIRD: IF I CAN CLARIFY.
03:05:17PM FOUR TEAMS COMPETED FOR THIS.
03:05:19PM ALL FOUR TEAMS FOR A DESIGN-BUILD EFFORT FOR A TEN-YEAR
03:05:23PM PROJECT.
03:05:23PM THIS WAS ORIGINALLY LONGER THEN SIX-YEAR PROJECT.
03:05:27PM AND THAT WAS FOR THE TAMPA AUGMENTATION PROJECT.
03:05:32PM >>BILL CARLSON: SO WHAT I THINK IS -- SINCE WE -- WE HIT THE
03:05:36PM RESET BUTTON A COUPLE OF TIMES SINCE THEN.
03:05:38PM AND I THINK THAT WHEN WE HIT THE RESET BUTTON, GO OUT TO A
03:05:43PM NEW RFP AND A NEW BID.
03:05:45PM IF WE ARE DOING AN ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS WHICH IS THE TIME
03:05:49PM BEFORE THIS.
03:05:49PM ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS SHOULD BE DONE AS MR. ROBINSON SAID
03:05:54PM SCIENTISTS AND ENGINEERS.
03:05:56PM A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY COULD HAVE ENGINEERS TOO AND NOT
03:06:00PM BUILDING ANYTHING IF WE ARE DOING A FAIR ANALYSIS.
03:06:03PM TO MR. ROBINSON'S OTHER POINT OF PURPLE PIPES.
03:06:07PM THE ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS DONE AT THE TIME WAS -- IT CAME AS
03:06:13PM THE MOST EXPENSIVE ALTERNATIVE.
03:06:15PM MODEL BIAS.
03:06:16PM THE MODEL WAS TO DO THE ENTIRE CITY RATHER THAN THE AREAS
03:06:21PM THAT WOULD SPEND THE MOST.
03:06:23PM THE MODEL DIDN'T INCLUDE AN ORDINANCE TO REQUIRE IT FOR
03:06:26PM PEOPLE TO WATER THEIR YARDS AND FOR US TO PAY FOR A HOOK-UP.
03:06:31PM PEOPLE WERE CONFUSED HOW TO PAY FOR A HOOK-UP.
03:06:36PM IF CAN'T ACCESS TO POTABLE WATER TO WATER YOUR YARD.
03:06:43PM A HIGH HOOK-UP RATE RIGHT AWAY AND HIGH REVENUE THAT WILL
03:06:47PM COVER OUR COSTS.
03:06:48PM THE PROBLEM IS THE POTABLE USAGE WOULD GO WAY DOWN AND WE
03:06:53PM WOULDN'T USE POTABLE WATER FOR 50 YEARS.
03:06:57PM BUT WE NEED TO LOOK FOR THE RIGHT MODEL AND HAVE OBJECTIVE
03:07:01PM COMPANIES AND DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT.
03:07:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
03:07:05PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I SIT IN DIFFERENT BOARDS, SOME COMPANIES
03:07:09PM THAT HAVE BEEN THERE 10, 20 YEARS.
03:07:12PM EVERY YEAR THEY COME AND GIVEN THE SAME RESULT.
03:07:15PM TAMPA BAY WATER IS ONE OF THEM.
03:07:17PM I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THEM DOING IT.
03:07:19PM AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE CRITERIA.
03:07:22PM YOU HAD ONE FOR TEN YEARS AND YOU GOT ELECTED.
03:07:25PM WE HAVE TO DO THIS.
03:07:26PM I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT HAPPENING AS LONG AS PEOPLE
03:07:29PM ARE DOING THE JOB THEY GOT ELECTED TO DO.
03:07:32PM THAT'S ALL.
03:07:33PM >>BRAD BAIRD: THANK YOU.
03:07:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:07:36PM NEXT UP, MR. BAIRD, YOU ARE NAMED IN NUMBER 8, JOHN BENNETT
03:07:47PM AND JEAN DUNCAN.
03:07:48PM ARE YOU LEADING ON NUMBER 8?
03:07:52PM >>BRAD BAIRD: I AM LEADING ON NUMBER 8.
03:07:54PM BRAD BAIRD, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
03:07:57PM WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR YOU TODAY THAT CAN BE GIVEN BY ME
03:08:04PM AND OUR NEW CONTRACTOR ADMINISTER RICHARD MUTTERBACH.
03:08:10PM WE ARE FULLY PREPARED TO GIVE IT.
03:08:12PM HALF OF IT ON THE CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION DEPARTMENT.
03:08:15PM WHO THEY ARE.
03:08:16PM WHAT THEY DO.
03:08:17PM THE OTHER ON THE CCNA PROCESS THAT I WILL COVER.
03:08:21PM WE -- BUT, HOWEVER, WE HAVE NOT COMPLETED THE UPDATE OF
03:08:25PM THE CCNA EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT WE HAVE TALKED TO YOU ABOUT.
03:08:29PM AND ALSO WE INTENDED TO PROVIDE INDIVIDUAL BRIEFS TO EACH OF
03:08:33PM YOU ON THIS SUBJECT.
03:08:34PM AND WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT FOR OBVIOUS REASONS
03:08:38PM LATELY.
03:08:38PM SO WE ARE -- I WILL CALL IT 75% BAKED.
03:08:42PM SO WE ARE HAPPY TO PRESENT WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
03:08:46PM AND THE FULL PRESENTATION, OR WE ARE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU
03:08:53PM CONTINUE IT WHERE WE CAN COMPLETE THE EXECUTIVE ORDER AND
03:08:55PM GIVE A FULL PRESENTATION, INCLUDING THAT AT YOUR PLEASURE.
03:08:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:09:05PM >>BILL CARLSON: MY ISSUE IS THAT THE QUESTION HERE IS ABOUT
03:09:11PM HOW THE CITY CAN IMPROVE CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION IN THE CCNA
03:09:16PM PROCESS.
03:09:17PM WHAT HAPPENS IN THESE PRESENTATIONS WE SPEND 20 MINUTES
03:09:20PM TELLING WHO WE ARE.
03:09:22PM AFTER HURRICANE IAN, WE SAID HOW CAN CITY COUNCIL BE MORE
03:09:25PM INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS OF THE HURRICANE AND HAD AN
03:09:28PM HOUR-LONG PRESENTATION OF WHAT THE PROCESS IS DURING A
03:09:31PM HURRICANE.
03:09:31PM AND IN THIS CASE, I AM NOT INTERESTED IN LEARNING ABOUT
03:09:35PM THE CCNA PROCESS.
03:09:37PM I HIRE MY OWN ATTORNEYS TO GO THROUGH WHAT IT IS A OR WHAT
03:09:40PM ISN'T AND HOW THE DEPARTMENT IS ORGANIZED.
03:09:42PM I WANT TO HEAR A SIMPLE QUESTION, IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO
03:09:46PM MAKE A MOTION TO ASK TO YOU COME BACK AND EXPLAIN THE CCNA
03:09:50PM PROCESS AND THE DEPARTMENT IS FINE.
03:09:51PM THIS MOTION THAT I MADE IS IMPROVE TRANSPARENCY AND
03:09:57PM ACCOUNTABILITY.
03:09:57PM THE ONLY QUESTION I WANT ANSWERED.
03:09:59PM >>BRAD BAIRD: WE DO TALK -- RICHARD AS PART OF THE
03:10:03PM PRESENTATION TALKS OF IMPROVEMENTS WE ARE MAKING WHICH WE
03:10:06PM ARE -- YOU HAVE ASKED FOR.
03:10:07PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WILL ASK IF WE ARE GOING TO GO FORWARD.
03:10:09PM THAT IS THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE.
03:10:10PM SOMEBODY ELSE WANT TO HAVE A MOTION TO PRESENT THE REST SOME
03:10:13PM OTHER TIME.
03:10:14PM THAT IS FINE.
03:10:14PM THE ONLY THING I AM INTERESTED IN IS TRANSPARENCY AND
03:10:18PM ACCOUNTABILITY.
03:10:18PM >>BRAD BAIRD: WE DO HAVE THAT INCLUDED IN HERE.
03:10:21PM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN WE SKIP THE FIRST PART AND JUST FOCUS ON
03:10:25PM THAT?
03:10:26PM >>BRAD BAIRD: I -- FOR THE CLARIFICATION OF ALL CITY
03:10:33PM COUNCIL.
03:10:33PM SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF CONFUSION WHAT IS UNDER PURCHASING AND
03:10:37PM CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION.
03:10:37PM >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T HAVE ANY CONFUSION.
03:10:42PM >>BRAD BAIRD: SEEMS LIKE THOSE CONTRACTS GET CONFUSED.
03:10:44PM I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT HERE.
03:10:46PM AND ALSO --
03:10:47PM >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T WANT A 20-MINUTE, 30-MINUTE
03:10:51PM PRESENTATION ON SOMETHING THAT IS BASIC KNOWLEDGE WHEN WE
03:10:53PM HAD A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION.
03:10:56PM >>BRAD BAIRD: OKAY, WE DO HAVE A TRANSPARENCY ADDRESSED
03:11:00PM ESPECIALLY IN RICHARD'S PART OF THIS PRESENTATION.
03:11:02PM AND THE CCNA PROCESS, I THINK THERE IS ALSO A LOT OF
03:11:06PM CONFUSION THERE AND I WOULD LIKE TO COVER THE PROCESS THAT
03:11:09PM WE GO THROUGH THAT AS WELL.
03:11:10PM IF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE.
03:11:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
03:11:14PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I AM JUST INTERESTED -- I AM NOT GOING TO
03:11:17PM SAY I WANT TO HEAR THE ABCs OF CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION.
03:11:20PM IMPLORE INTERESTED IN -- IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY EQUAL
03:11:23PM BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY INFORMATION AS PART OF THIS CONTRACT
03:11:26PM ADMINISTRATION, THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO HEAR.
03:11:29PM IS THAT A PART OF IT?
03:11:32PM >>BRAD BAIRD: WE HAVE NOT INCLUDED GREGORY HART'S, YOU
03:11:34PM KNOW, STATISTICS AND ALL THAT IN HERE.
03:11:38PM IT IS IN THE TIMELINE THAT WE HAVE AT THE END OF THE CCNA
03:11:43PM PROCESS WHERE THE EVO PART IS IN THERE.
03:11:47PM BUT, NO, NOT IN DETAIL ON HOW YOU GO -- THAT IS A WHOLE
03:11:52PM SEPARATE PRESENTATION ON HOW YOU HAVE A PROJECT TASK
03:11:57PM WORKSHEET.
03:11:57PM HOW YOU DEVELOP THE GOALS.
03:11:58PM HOW YOU REVIEW THE GOOD FAITH EFFORTS.
03:12:01PM THAT WOULD REQUIRE GREGORY HART TO BE HERE AND PROVIDE THAT.
03:12:05PM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR.
03:12:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SHOULD WE CONTINUE THIS?
03:12:08PM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, HERE IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO.
03:12:11PM I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN
03:12:14PM WHAT HE IS GOING TO PRESENT.
03:12:15PM I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM FOR THE OCTOBER 26
03:12:23PM WORKSHOP.
03:12:24PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE ARE OUT.
03:12:25PM HURTAK AND I WILL BE IN -- AT A CONFERENCE.
03:12:29PM >>BILL CARLSON: HOW ABOUT NOVEMBER 30.
03:12:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOVEMBER 30.
03:12:34PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM UNTIL NOVEMBER
03:12:37PM 30.
03:12:37PM AND MY SON IS ABOUT TO WALK HOME IN THE RAIN.
03:12:40PM SO IF YOU ALL WANT TO HEAR THIS OTHER PRESENTATION, I AM
03:12:42PM GOING TO GO PICK HIM UP.
03:12:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CONTINUE EVERYTHING UNTIL NOVEMBER 30kt
03:12:47PM CARE DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT PRESENTATION.
03:12:49PM IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO MAKE A SEPARATE MOTION.
03:12:52PM I CAN.
03:12:52PM SEVERAL TIMES COMPLICATED THINGS WE WANT TO ASK FOR AND THE
03:12:56PM ADMINISTRATION PRESENT AN HOUR OF BACKGROUND THAT IS NOT
03:12:58PM RELATED AND I DON'T WANT TO WASTE MY TIME DOING THAT.
03:13:01PM I DON'T HAVE ANY CONFUSION ABOUT IT.
03:13:03PM THE PROBLEM IS, NO TRANSPARENCY AND VERY LITTLE TRANSPARENCY
03:13:09PM AND ACCOUNTABILITY AND WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS IN THE PROCESS
03:13:12PM AND WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS TO HEAR.
03:13:15PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WILL SECOND THAT.
03:13:16PM I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, IF YOU DON'T MIND, WHAT I AM LOOKING
03:13:22PM FOR IS NOT NECESSARILY THE LESSON AS WELL.
03:13:24PM I WANT TO HEAR -- I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT WHAT WE
03:13:27PM CURRENTLY DO.
03:13:28PM IT IS THE MATTER OF WHAT WE ARE NOT DOING THAT WE SHOULD BE
03:13:31PM DOING.
03:13:31PM THAT IS THE PART THAT I WANT TO HEAR WHEN IT RELATES TO
03:13:34PM EQUAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY.
03:13:36PM SO WE ARE LOOKING FOR TRANSPARENCY.
03:13:38PM AND I AGREE THAT -- I AM NOT LOOKING FOR THE LESSON IN THE
03:13:42PM PROCESS.
03:13:43PM I AM LOOKING FOR THE MEAT.
03:13:45PM >>BILL CARLSON: HE WILL ACCEPT YOUR AMENDMENT.
03:13:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: INCLUDE THE HISPANICS.
03:13:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:13:55PM SECONDED FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
03:13:57PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
03:13:58PM ALL RIGHT.
03:14:00PM >> PUBLIC GETS TO SPEAK ON THIS?
03:14:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OF COURSE, SIR.
03:14:06PM COME ON.
03:14:07PM >> MY RESIDENT EXPERT.
03:14:11PM MR. BAIRD.
03:14:14PM NOW I AM JOE ROBINSON, THE EXPERT ON CCNA.
03:14:21PM RIGHT, BRAD?
03:14:22PM I HELPED WRITE IT INCLUDING THE EXECUTIVE ORDER.
03:14:24PM A LOT OF INPUT I HAVE DONE.
03:14:26PM FREE.
03:14:26PM PAUSE IT WAS ISSUES, MR. CARLSON.
03:14:29PM ONE OF THEM WAS THE DESIGN-BUILD.
03:14:31PM IT MAY SAY IF THE FIRM IS CERTIFIED MINORITY BUSINESS AS A
03:14:35PM MANDATORY FACTOR REQUIRED BY THE STATUTE.
03:14:38PM BUT IT IS IN THERE NOW.
03:14:39PM SEE, YOU KNOW, I -- YOU GOT ME ON THE FENCE MAN.
03:14:43PM I WAS TOLD TO COME TOWN HERE AND GET THIS THING STRAIGHT ON
03:14:47PM BOTH SIDES OF THIS DAIS AND UPSTAIRS AND ALL AROUND.
03:14:51PM NOW I AM GOING TO SAY ONE MORE THING OF THE PURPLE PIPE AND
03:14:56PM I GOT TO SAY THIS.
03:14:57PM S.W.F.W.M.D.
03:14:58PM WHEN WE PUT THE PIPES OUT, NO ONE WANTED TO HOOK UP.
03:15:03PM S.W.F.W.M.D. FUNDED THE HOOK UP FOR THE PIPE.
03:15:06PM EVERYBODY HAD CORPORATE GRANT, S.W.F.W.M.D., THEY WILL HOOK
03:15:10PM IT UP.
03:15:10PM SO THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE.
03:15:13PM GET COOPERATIVE FUNDING FROM S.W.F.W.M.D.
03:15:15PM BACK TO THE CCNA.
03:15:18PM CCNA HAS BEEN AROUND, MODIFIED.
03:15:22PM THE LAST TIME THE DESIGN-BUILD EXECUTIVE ORDER WAS DONE WAS
03:15:26PM IN 1996, CHARLIE.
03:15:28PM GRECO AND JIM PALERMO WERE THE ATTORNEYS.
03:15:33PM I WAS THERE WITH THEM.
03:15:34PM I WAS THERE WITH THEM.
03:15:36PM WE USE IT OUT IN McKAY BAY.
03:15:38PM IT HAS BEEN MODIFIED.
03:15:40PM SEVERAL TIMES SINCE 1996.
03:15:42PM LET ALONE THE EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT THE MAYOR
03:15:47PM ISSUED HAVE NOT BEEN.
03:15:48PM CONSTRUCTION ADMIN GOT A NEW MAN OVER HERE.
03:15:53PM HOPE YOU LISTEN WHAT I TOLD AT THAT MEETING THAT WE HAD.
03:15:56PM YOU WAS THERE, WEREN'T YOU?
03:16:00PM TOOK NOTES.
03:16:01PM I HAVEN'T BEEN TELLING -- MR. CARLSON, YOU AND ME ARE
03:16:05PM AGREEING ON TOO MUCH TODAY.
03:16:06PM SOMETHING IS GOING ON.
03:16:07PM WE ARE AGREEING ON TOO MUCH TODAY.
03:16:09PM I'M HERE TO SAY BECAUSE I WANT TO BE -- FOR THIS THING TO
03:16:13PM MOVE FORWARD.
03:16:13PM I BEEN AT THIS CITY TO MOVE FORWARD.
03:16:15PM WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH ADMINISTRATION, COMMUNITY AND
03:16:22PM COUNCIL EACH AND EVERYWHERE.
03:16:23PM BUT EVENTUALLY, WE ARE GOING TO GET ALL IN THE SAME DRUMBEAT
03:16:29PM AT THE SAME TIME.
03:16:29PM I'M HERE ON CCNA.
03:16:31PM I APPRECIATE THAT MISS HENDERSON.
03:16:33PM IF I TOLD YOU THE TRUTH WHAT IS GOING ON WITH MY COUNTRY
03:16:36PM RIGHT NOW, ALL KIND OF PEOPLE WILL BE IN HERE WITH SUBPOENAS
03:16:40PM AND TAKING DEPOSITIONS, RIGHT, BRAD?
03:16:43PM BUT I AM GOING TO COMPROMISE AND I SAY I WON'T SAY ANYTHING
03:16:47PM TODAY.
03:16:47PM BUT I WILL BE BACK, NOVEMBER 30, BACK TALKING ABOUT ALL OF
03:16:51PM THIS.
03:16:51PM CARLSON WITH WHATEVER.
03:16:53PM BUT I WILL BE HERE, GOD WILLING, BECAUSE I WANT TO HEAR IT
03:16:57PM BECAUSE I ALREADY KNOW WHAT IS COMING AND I AGREE MINORITY
03:17:01PM BUSINESS PIECE.
03:17:02PM ONE EXTRA HEN SIEVE THING OF IT CCNA AND GET THIS OVER WITH,
03:17:07PM NOT JUST THE MAYOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDERS THAT RUN IT.
03:17:10PM BUT COMPLIES WITH THE STATUTES AND IT ALSO COMPLIES WITH
03:17:13PM WHAT YOU GET THE CONTRACT.
03:17:15PM WHAT IS A PRIME GUY HAS A CONTRACT.
03:17:17PM AND HE SIGNS ALL THESE -- ALL THESE LETTERS OF INTENT WITH
03:17:23PM MINORITY HISS MRS. HENDERSON SAYS SOMEBODY WILL ENFORCE IT.
03:17:27PM GREGORY HART WILL NOT ENFORCE IT.
03:17:30PM SORRY TO GO OVER, MR. CHAIR.
03:17:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:17:35PM YES, MA'AM.
03:17:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MISS STEVENS, I KNOW I TOLD YOU OCTOBER 26,
03:17:40PM AND I COMPLETELY FORGOT WE WILL BE OUT OF TOWN FOR A
03:17:44PM CONVENTION.
03:17:44PM NOVEMBER 30 WILL BE BEST.
03:17:45PM WHEN I MAKE THAT MOTION LATER IT WILL BE FOR NOVEMBER 30.
03:17:48PM IF YOU CAN PASS THAT ON, I WILL APPRECIATE IT.
03:17:51PM YEAH.
03:17:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD.
03:17:55PM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
03:17:56PM >> JUSTIN VASKE, ASSISTANT STATE OF ATTORNEY.
03:18:00PM ONE CLARIFICATION OF THE MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS.
03:18:02PM WE NEED A AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION OF THE EVO.
03:18:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:18:09PM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON WITH AN ABILITY REGARDING
03:18:12PM MINORITY BUSINESS, INCLUDING HISPANICS.
03:18:15PM EVERYBODY.
03:18:15PM EVERYBODY THAT IS LEGALLY CLASSIFIABLE AS MINORITY.
03:18:21PM EVERYBODY.
03:18:22PM WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
03:18:24PM WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT THERE.
03:18:25PM I CLARIFIED THAT.
03:18:26PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
03:18:27PM ANY OPPOSE?
03:18:29PM ALL RIGHT.
03:18:30PM NOVEMBER 30th WILL BE -- OKAY, A WORKSHOP SESSION.
03:18:34PM VERY GOOD.
03:18:35PM ITEM NUMBER 11.
03:18:39PM MR. COTTON, YOU PRESENTING ON THIS.
03:18:41PM >>ERIC COTTON: YES, SIR.
03:18:42PM ERIC COTTON, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
03:18:44PM ITEM NUMBER 11 IS THE PROPOSED -- BASICALLY THE OVERVIEW OF
03:18:48PM THE PROPOSALS FOR THE JULY CYCLE FOR TEXT AMENDMENTS.
03:18:52PM I BELIEVE THERE IS A PRESENTATION.
03:18:54PM IF NOT, I HAVE A PAPER ONE TO PUT ON THE ELMO.
03:18:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE IT UP HERE.
03:18:59PM GET IT UP ON THE BIG SCREEN, AND YOU CAN GO AHEAD, SIR.
03:19:02PM >>ERIC COTTON: OKAY, THANK YOU.
03:19:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
03:19:07PM >>ERIC COTTON: AS YOU KNOW WE DO TWO CYCLES PER YEAR,
03:19:11PM JANUARY AND JULY CYCLE.
03:19:12PM THIS, AGAIN, IS THE JULY CYCLE.
03:19:13PM CHANGES ARE INITIATED THROUGH THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR BY
03:19:18PM CITY COUNCIL MAKING A MOTION TO CHANGE PART OF THE CODE.
03:19:21PM THIS ONE IS GENERAL CLEANUP.
03:19:23PM SEVEN PROPOSED AMENDMENTS AMENDMENTS.
03:19:28PM NOTHING EXTRAORDINARY IN THE REQUEST OR IN THE PROPOSED
03:19:32PM LANGUAGE WE ARE COMING THROUGH WITH.
03:19:33PM THIS IS A QUICK SUMMARY.
03:19:35PM OF EVERYTHING AND AN INDIVIDUAL SLIDE FOR EACH ONE.
03:19:40PM FOR NUMBER 17, I AM GOING TO SHOW SOMETHING ON THE ELMO THAT
03:19:44PM IS ON THE CHANGE FOR THE DEFINITION OF ACHIEVED PARTY.
03:19:47PM TODAY IS THE WORKSHOP.
03:19:52PM WE PLAN ON DOING PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING THROUGH
03:19:58PM SEPTEMBER, EXCUSE ME.
03:19:59PM SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER TO GET COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON THE
03:20:02PM CHANGES.
03:20:02PM WE WILL COME BACK FOR A NOVEMBER WORKSHOP TO PROPOSE -- GIVE
03:20:07PM YOU THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE AND THE TRANSMITTAL TO THE
03:20:10PM PLANNING COMMISSION.
03:20:10PM AND THEN WE WILL BRIEF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS DECEMBER,
03:20:14PM AND COME BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL IN JANUARY FOR FIRST
03:20:16PM READING AND HOPEFULLY SECOND READING LATER THAT MONTH.
03:20:19PM SO THE FIRST AMENDMENT IS THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
03:20:25PM THE CDB HAS TYPE A, TYPE B, TYPE C.
03:20:31PM WATER STREET COME ON BOARD, AER AND OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.
03:20:36PM UP KNOW THAT LITTLE MAP IS SMALL.
03:20:37PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK LOOKING AT WHAT DOES THAT SAY.
03:20:40PM THOSE ARE DIFFERENT COLOR STREETS.
03:20:42PM HOW THIS THEY ARE COLOR-CODED.
03:20:44PM BUT THE MAIN GIST OF THIS IS, WE ARE GOING TO AMEND THE CODE
03:20:48PM TO CLARIFY IF THE B AND C STREETS WHEN WATER STREETS COME
03:20:54PM IN, VACATE STREETS, PUTS IN STREETS, AER CHANGED STREETS,
03:21:00PM AND KEEP IT UP TO SPEED AND HOW WE WANT OUR DOWNTOWN TO
03:21:03PM DEVELOP.
03:21:04PM THERE WAS AN ISSUE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP FOR DESIGN GUIDELINES
03:21:09PM FOR SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND THE OVERLAY DISTRICTS AND FOR THE
03:21:13PM HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT WHEN THERE IS SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IN
03:21:17PM THE OVERLAY DISTRICT OR SPECIAL DISTRICTS OR HISTORIC
03:21:21PM DISTRICT.
03:21:21PM TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER THE GENERAL ZONING CODE TO CLARIFY
03:21:25PM THAT LANGUAGE.
03:21:25PM THIS IS A SECTION FOR WHEN WE ALL HAD THIS CASE A COUPLE OF
03:21:33PM MONTHS AGO.
03:21:34PM WHEN SOMEONE IS GOING FORWARD WITH A COMP PLAN AND REZONINGS
03:21:37PM AT THE SAME TIME.
03:21:38PM IF THE COMP PLAN IS IT HE I NEED.
03:21:40PM THE REZONING WOULD BE WITHDRAWN.
03:21:42PM THEY CAN'T TRY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT REQUEST.
03:21:44PM THIS IS IT JUST AT CLEANUP.
03:21:50PM REFERRING TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
03:21:56PM THE ONE ALIVE, THRIVE, 2045.
03:22:00PM WE ARE ONLY 30 YEARS BEHIND.
03:22:02PM THIS IS GOING TO MOVE THE ENFORCEMENT FOR DANGEROUS TREES,
03:22:06PM TREES THAT ARE RATED -- I WANT TO SAY C-9 OR D-9 OR WORSE
03:22:13PM THAT NEED TO COME DOWN.
03:22:14PM RIGHT NOW THE POWER TO CANDLELIGHT SOMEONE IS WITH CODE
03:22:16PM ENFORCEMENT WITH CHAPTER 19.
03:22:18PM MOVE TO CHAPTER 27 WHICH -- THEY HAVE THEIR OWN ENFORCEMENT
03:22:23PM TEAM.
03:22:24PM TO ALLOW THAT GROUP TO DO THE CITATIONS FOR ALL -- FOR THAT.
03:22:28PM COMMERCIAL VEHICLE PARK CAN.
03:22:30PM WE CAME BEFORE YOU PROBABLY TWO CYCLES GO.
03:22:36PM UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE.
03:22:39PM I HAD NO IDEA THAT A F-450 IS THE CAME AS A CAB.
03:22:44PM WE HAVE REPORTS OF SEMI CABS BEING PARKED IN THE FRONT.
03:22:47PM THIS LANGUAGE WILL ADD HEIGHT AND WEIGHT TO A COMMERCIAL
03:22:50PM VEHICLE TO TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.
03:22:52PM PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIREMENTS.
03:22:54PM THIS IS WHERE THE -- WHERE THE PART WITH THE ELMO COMES ON
03:22:58PM THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT.
03:23:00PM ABBYE AND I WERE WITH YOU WITH THE SIGNS TO EXTEND THE NOTICE
03:23:06PM TO 300 FEET AND REQUIRE THE NOTICE OF FILING.
03:23:08PM AND I WILL LET -- THAT PART OF THAT DISCUSSION WAS I THINK
03:23:15PM THIS -- --
03:23:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AGGRIEVED PERSON.
03:23:23PM >>ERIC COTTON: SHOULD TAN AGGRIEVED PERSON.
03:23:27PM KEEPING THE DEFINITION AS IT IS BUT CHANGING OUT TO 300
03:23:31PM FEET.
03:23:31PM DANA IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON THAT
03:23:35PM ISSUE.
03:23:35PM AND I BELIEVE THAT IS ALL OUR CYCLES.
03:23:38PM AND I CAN GIVE YOU THE TIME FRAME WHICH RIGHT NOW -- IF
03:23:42PM COUNCIL GIVES US THE PERMISSION TO MOVE FORWARD, WE WILL
03:23:45PM SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARING -- PUBLIC INFORMATION MEET
03:23:48PM INFORMATION SEPTEMBER -- OR OCTOBER.
03:23:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEED A MOTION?
03:23:53PM >>ERIC COTTON: DO WE NEED A MOTION TO SCHEDULE THAT PUBLIC
03:23:55PM INFORMATION MEET?
03:23:57PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: MOTION TO ALLOW STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD
03:23:59PM FOR RECOMMENDATIONS PROVIDED FOR YOU TODAY.
03:24:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT
03:24:04PM PRESENTATION.
03:24:05PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:24:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION.
03:24:08PM JUST THIS COMMENT ABOUT THE LAST THING OF THE AGGRIEVED
03:24:11PM PERSON.
03:24:11PM I WAS CONTACTED ABOUT THIS FROM STAFF.
03:24:14PM AND STAFF COUNSEL.
03:24:15PM AND I RECOMMENDED TALKING TO THE SAME GROUP OF STAKEHOLDERS
03:24:21PM THAT YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH.
03:24:22PM AND YOU DID THAT.
03:24:23PM AND YOU GOT ACCEPTABLE AND RESPONSES.
03:24:27PM I JUST WANT TO SAY AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU
03:24:30PM ARE DOING TO INCLUDE THE COMMUNITY.
03:24:33PM WHEN THE COMMUNITY IS INCLUDED, ALL OF THIS STUFF MAKES
03:24:35PM SENSE.
03:24:36PM EVERYONE IS HAPPIER.
03:24:37PM AND NO ONE IS SURPRISED.
03:24:39PM SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THAT.
03:24:42PM BEING ABLE TO CHANGE THIS TO THE 300 FEET TO MATCH OUR NEW
03:24:48PM NOTICE REALLY DOES MAKE SENSE.
03:24:50PM BUT TO, AGAIN, GET THE PUBLIC'S INPUT IS VERY CRITICAL.
03:24:55PM THANK YOU FOR THAT.
03:24:56PM AND I WILL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE
03:24:59PM HAS SOMETHING THEY WANT TO SAY.
03:25:01PM I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE WHATEVER STAFF NEEDS.
03:25:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PUBLIC COMMENT.
03:25:06PM MR. ROBINSON.
03:25:08PM >> I'M HERE FOR THE DURATION.
03:25:09PM HAD SOME COFFEE.
03:25:12PM IT IS ABOUT TIME.
03:25:15PM I WOULD DO EVERYTHING THEY JUST SAID.
03:25:16PM WEST TAMPA, WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
03:25:19PM WE HAVE THE ISSUE WHETHER THIS IS THE OVERLAY.
03:25:22PM JUST TOO MUCH CONFUSION.
03:25:24PM THESE CODIFIED AMENDMENTS THAT WILL CLEAN UP THE CONFUSION
03:25:28PM WHEN YOU HAVE A HISTORIC DISTRICT WHEN YOU SHALL TRYING TO
03:25:32PM COMPETE WITH THE DIFFERENT LAWS AND RULES.
03:25:34PM MORE CLEANING UP.
03:25:35PM MAKING IT CLEAR.
03:25:36PM 300 FEET INSTEAD OF 150.
03:25:39PM SO THIS WILL GIVE PEOPLE A CHANCE TO COMMENT.
03:25:42PM THE PUBLIC APPRECIATE THESE CHANGES, OKAY.
03:25:46PM AND MISS SANCHEZ WILL BE THE OFFICIALS ONE TO SAY PASS IT.
03:25:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WITH THE BLESSING OF PLAINTIFF ROBINSON.
03:25:55PM A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:25:56PM SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
03:25:59PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
03:25:59PM OPPOSED?
03:26:01PM VERY GOOD.
03:26:01PM A MOTION FOR YOU TO INITIATE THE PUBLIC INPUT SESSION.
03:26:04PM >>ERIC COTTON: YES, SIR.
03:26:06PM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: THANK YOU.
03:26:07PM >>ERIC COTTON: SEE YOU AT 5:01.
03:26:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LAST A DISCUSSION ON PUBLIC COMMENT.
03:26:12PM IN MOTION WAS INITIATED BY COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
03:26:15PM WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING AND KICK IT OFF?
03:26:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD.
03:26:19PM I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT -- I WANT -- I WANT TO
03:26:25PM PREFACE BY SAYING I DON'T WANT TO INHIBIT PUBLIC COMMENT OR
03:26:29PM PUBLIC SPEECH.
03:26:30PM IT CLEARLY IS IN OUR LAW OF PEOPLE PEOPLE HAVING THE ABILITY
03:26:37PM TO COME BEFORE GOVERNMENT AND PETITION GOVERNMENT.
03:26:39PM SO 100% NOT TRYING TO BUMP THAT TYPE OF SYSTEM.
03:26:43PM BUT I THINK THERE ARE -- TO BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE THAT
03:26:48PM COMES BEFORE US, NOT JUST US, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO LISTEN, THE
03:26:52PM PEOPLE WHO ARE WAITING TO HEAR OTHER CASES THAT ARE COMING
03:26:57PM BEFORE US THAT DAY.
03:26:58PM I THINK IT IS -- WE -- AND ESPECIALLY MR. CHAIR, WE HAVE A
03:27:03PM POSSIBILITY TO ENSURE THAT THIS PROCESS IS ORDERLY.
03:27:08PM THAT IT IS PRODUCTIVE.
03:27:10PM THAT IT IS MEANINGFUL.
03:27:11PM YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF WE PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC
03:27:15PM TO COME TO SPEAK TO GOVERNMENT TO SAY IN A GOOD WAY.
03:27:19PM I THINK GENERAL -- 99.9% OF THE TIME WHEN WE ARE HERE, THAT
03:27:23PM IS WHAT WE GET.
03:27:24PM PEOPLE COME HERE AND -- WE MAY NOT AGREE WITH THEM, BUT THEY
03:27:27PM ARE -- IT IS -- IT IS AT LEAST IT IS MEANINGFUL AND ABLE TO
03:27:36PM SAY THEIR PEACE TO US.
03:27:37PM WE NEED TO BE MORE -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT SOME OF THE
03:27:40PM PROCESSES ARE.
03:27:41PM I THINK CONFORMING TO THE TIME PARAMETERS AND RESPECTFUL TO
03:27:47PM OTHER PEOPLE WAITING TO SPEAK AND WAITING FOR ALL THE
03:27:50PM ISSUES, WE SEE HOW LENGTHY THESE AGENDA ITEMS CAN GO.
03:27:54PM I THINK IF THAT PERHAPS CAPPING IN THE DURATION OF THE
03:28:00PM PUBLIC COMMENT IN THE MORNING TO, LIKE, 30 MINUTES AND THEN
03:28:05PM ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK AT THE END OF THE DAY,
03:28:07PM HAVING NO CAP, YOU KNOW, THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT IS
03:28:10PM COSTING US IS US.
03:28:11PM NOT COSTING ANYBODY ELSE TIME AND MONEY.
03:28:14PM PEOPLE UNLIMITED FINAL.
03:28:16PM 30 MINUTES ON THE FRONT MOST OF THE TIME ALL WITHIN 30
03:28:19PM MINUTES ANYWAY.
03:28:20PM I THINK WITH VERY FEW EXCEPTIONS.
03:28:22PM I DON'T THINK THAT WILL HAVE THAT GREAT OF AN IMPACT.
03:28:25PM I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE -- WE ALREADY HAD ONE ISSUE, WHEN
03:28:28PM KNOWS COME BEFORE US.
03:28:29PM AND I THINK -- THIS IS NOT A STREET CORNER.
03:28:32PM COMING INTO CITY COUNCIL, THIS IS NOT -- SO WE HAVE A RIGHT
03:28:38PM TO FREE SPEECH.
03:28:39PM AND WE CAN -- YOU CAN GO OUT AND PETITION AND PROTEST AND BE
03:28:44PM LOUD AND DO -- DO ALL KIND OF THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO ON THE
03:28:47PM STREET AND UNDER OUR U.S. CONSTITUTION OF FREE SPEECH AND
03:28:52PM GOSH KNOWS, ANY MY LIFETIME HAVE AFFORDED MIND SELF OF THOSE
03:28:57PM OPPORTUNITIES.
03:28:57PM I THINK WHEN YOU COME HERE, THIS IS -- THIS IS A BUSINESS
03:29:01PM MEETING.
03:29:02PM AND IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY TO RUN THIS CHAMBER.
03:29:05PM SO BETWEEN ATTORNEYS AND OUR BEAUTIFUL CABLE PEOPLE THAT
03:29:10PM MAKE ME LOOK TERRIBLE WITH THIS SPOTLIGHT SHINING RIGHT OVER
03:29:14PM MY HEAD.
03:29:14PM AND -- AND, YOU KNOW, OUR WONDERFUL POLICE OFFICERS THAT
03:29:19PM PROTECT US.
03:29:20PM EVERY MINUTE THAT WE ARE HERE COSTS A LOT OF MONEY AND WE
03:29:24PM NEED TO MAKE THE MOST OF IT.
03:29:25PM I -- SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO PROCEDURALIZE AND DO A BETTER JOB OF
03:29:30PM SELF-POLICING THIS SO THAT ALL THIS TIME DOES IS A SERVICE
03:29:35PM FOR EVERYONE.
03:29:37PM NOT JUST -- NOT JUST ONE PERSON OR US, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE
03:29:41PM IN THE AUDIENCE, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LISTENING ONLINE, WITH
03:29:45PM OUR STAFF, ALL THE PAID PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TRYING TO DO
03:29:48PM BUSINESS WITH THE CITY BECAUSE COSTS A LOT OF MONEY TO SIT
03:29:52PM HERE IN THIS AUDIENCE ALL DAY LONG INSTEAD OF SITTING HERE
03:29:56PM PLAYING GOLF.
03:29:57PM AND, AGAIN, SO THOSE PEOPLE WHEN THEY CROSS THE LINE, I
03:30:01PM THINK WE NEED TO PULL THEM BACK ON TO THE SIDE OF THE LINE.
03:30:03PM I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A FIRMER POSITION ON THOSE THINGS.
03:30:07PM I KNOW I HAVE WATCHED OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS IN OTHER BODIES
03:30:11PM OF GOVERNMENT.
03:30:12PM NOBODY DOES IT LIKE US.
03:30:14PM I MEAN, YOU DON'T SEE SOME OF THE STUFF THAT YOU SEE.
03:30:17PM YOU DON'T SEE IT IN THE COUNTY COMMISSION.
03:30:19PM YOU DON'T SEE IT IN SOME OF THESE OTHER FOLKS.
03:30:22PM HOW DO THEY DO THAT?
03:30:24PM I THINK THEY HAVE SIGN-IN SHEETS.
03:30:25PM SIGN IN AND TALK ABOUT WHATEVER TOPIC THEY WANT TO TALK
03:30:29PM ABOUT THAT DAY.
03:30:29PM YOU KNOW, HOLDING FOLKS TO THAT.
03:30:32PM MAYBE PEOPLE -- I WANT TO SAY LIMIT TO PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN
03:30:39PM THE CITY OF TAMPA.
03:30:39PM WHERE HE UNDERSTAND PEOPLE IN ST. PETERSBURG AND THEY HAD
03:30:43PM APPLICABLE INFORMATION TO SHARE WITH US BECAUSE WE SHARE A
03:30:47PM BAY WITH THEM.
03:30:47PM THAT IS KIND OF UNREALISTIC.
03:30:49PM I WANTED TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ALL
03:30:51PM THE ANSWERS.
03:30:52PM I JUST KNOW THAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM AND I GUARANTEE YOU EVERY
03:30:55PM PERSON THAT LISTENS TO US KNOWS THAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
03:30:58PM I MEAN I HEAR IT FROM PEOPLE.
03:31:00PM A LOT OF TIME PEOPLE SAY CITY COUNCIL IS CIRCUS TAMPA I
03:31:06PM THINK A LOT OF TIME THAT IS PART OF WHAT THEY SEE.
03:31:08PM SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE THIS A MORE
03:31:11PM PRODUCTIVE ENVIRONMENT FOR EVERYBODY.
03:31:14PM NOT JUST FOR ONE PERSON, BUT FOR EVERYBODY.
03:31:17PM WANTED TO HAVE THIS ON THE WORKSHOP AND I THOUGHT IT WAS
03:31:21PM GOOD TO HAVE THE TALK.
03:31:22PM I KNOW SOME FOLKS FEEL REALLY STRONGLY ABOUT SOME OF THESE
03:31:25PM ITEMS.
03:31:26PM I WANT TO KNOW -- ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE IS ABUSIVE LANGUAGE
03:31:29PM INVOLVED OR -- THAT WE GAVEL DOWN ON THESE PEOPLE AND MAKE
03:31:34PM SURE THAT -- THIS IS NOT A CHAMBER THAT THAT IS TOLERATED
03:31:38PM IN.
03:31:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:31:39PM I AM GLAD YOU BROUGHT THIS UP.
03:31:40PM WE DO IT DIFFERENTLY FROM OTHER ELECTED BODIES.
03:31:45PM THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THE COUNTY COMMISSION, THEY DO, THEY A
03:31:48PM LOT, LIKE, 30 MINUTES AND THEY HAVE SPINE-IN SHEETS.
03:31:51PM I KNOW THE COUNTY COMMISSION DOES IT.
03:31:53PM BUT I THINK WE ARE THE MOST ACCESSIBLE OF ALL GOVERNMENT
03:31:57PM BODIES LOCALLY.
03:31:58PM WHY DO PEOPLE COME TO US?
03:32:00PM BECAUSE WE ARE THE EASIEST TO GET TO.
03:32:01PM THE MAYOR DOESN'T HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
03:32:03PM THE GOVERNOR DOESN'T HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
03:32:06PM THE PRESIDENT DOESN'T HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
03:32:08PM A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE AFFECTED BY THE DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE.
03:32:10PM UP GET IT.
03:32:11PM SOMETIMES PUBLIC COMMENT GOES TWO HOURS.
03:32:13PM SOMETIMES IT IS AN HOUR.
03:32:15PM BUT IT -- IT IS THE PEOPLE'S RIGHT TO SPEAK.
03:32:19PM NOT REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENT BUT MYSELF, I AM VERY QUIET.
03:32:23PM I HAVE BEEN VERY QUIET TODAY.
03:32:25PM NOT THAT I AM NOT ENGAGED.
03:32:27PM I READ EVERYTHING.
03:32:28PM I TRY TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING AHEAD OF TIME AND I ASK MY
03:32:31PM QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, OFF LINE.
03:32:32PM JUST TO KEEP THE MEETING GOING.
03:32:35PM DOESN'T MATTER.
03:32:36PM THAT IS JUST ME.
03:32:37PM EVERYBODY HAS A RIGHT TO SAY AND TALK FOR AS LONG AS THEY
03:32:40PM WANT.
03:32:40PM BUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WANT TO BE HEARD AND THIS IS ONE OF
03:32:44PM THEIR FEW OPPORTUNITIES.
03:32:45PM I UNDER AND IT.
03:32:46PM IT CAN BE HOURS LONG.
03:32:47PM IT COULD DELAY US IN THE MORNING, BUT IT IS -- IT IS THE
03:32:51PM RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE.
03:32:52PM NOW REGARDING, YOU KNOW, BEHAVIOR.
03:32:55PM SOMEBODY USES OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE AND WHATEVER.
03:32:57PM WE USE THE GAVEL AND WE TAKE IT FROM THERE.
03:32:59PM BUT, YOU KNOW --
03:33:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LIKE POUNDING ON THE DAIS, SCREAMING AT
03:33:07PM US.
03:33:07PM YOU HAVE A RIGHT FOR FREE SPEECH -- I CONSIDER THIS A LINE
03:33:10PM OF YELLING SAT YOU BECOMES ABUSIVE OR POUNDING ON THE DAIS
03:33:14PM BECOMES ABUSIVE OR JUST -- THIS ISN'T THE QUORUM TO DO THAT.
03:33:19PM AND IN REFERENCE TO THE -- IN SOME WAYS, WE ARE CREATING OUR
03:33:23PM OWN PROBLEM BECAUSE -- ESPECIALLY WHEN I HEAR -- I HEAR
03:33:26PM FRUSTRATION IN THE PUBLIC AND ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY.
03:33:29PM BUT ARE WE -- ARE WE ACTUALLY SETTING FOLKS UP TO THINK THAT
03:33:33PM -- BECAUSE -- I WOULD SAY ALMOST ALL THE ISSUES THAT PEOPLE
03:33:37PM -- THE REALLY TRUST -- THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE FRUSTRATED COME
03:33:41PM HERE BECAUSE WE ARE ACCESSIBLE, BUT WE ARE NOT THE BODY THAT
03:33:44PM THE -- THE DECISIONS WE MAKE ARE NOT THE ONES THAT WILL
03:33:48PM SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS.
03:33:50PM THE LEGISLATURE AND CONGRESS AND THE COURT SYSTEM IT ONE OF
03:33:56PM OUR FREQUENT FLYERS.
03:33:57PM THE CITY COUNCIL IS NOT THE SOLUTION.
03:33:59PM AND ARE WE SETTING FOLKS UP FOR DISAPPOINTMENT IN US BY
03:34:05PM LEADING THEM ON THINKING THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE BODY FOR
03:34:07PM THAT.
03:34:08PM TO BE VENTED AT.
03:34:11PM I MEAN -- BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME.
03:34:13PM I FEEL FOR SOME OF THOSE FOLKS.
03:34:15PM AND I KEEP THINKING TO MYSELF -- CAN'T RESPOND TO PUBLIC
03:34:20PM COMMENT.
03:34:20PM I WISH I COULD SAY YOUR GRIEVANCE IS NOT WITH TAMPA CITY
03:34:24PM COUNCIL WITH THE LEGISLATURE, WITH THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM, WITH
03:34:27PM THE SCHOOL BOARD.
03:34:28PM IT IS NOT US.
03:34:29PM BUT -- SO WHERE DO YOU -- HOW DO YOU -- HAVE WE CREATED THAT
03:34:34PM ENVIRONMENT TO LEAD TO THAT UNREALISTIC EXPECTATION?
03:34:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
03:34:42PM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU KNOW WE -- WE HAVE HAD HUNDREDS OF
03:34:52PM PEOPLE COME IN -- IN FACT CHARLIE'S FAVORITE EVENT WAS THE
03:34:57PM SIX-FOOT RULE WHERE YOU HAD THE WHOLE CONVENTION CENTER FULL
03:35:01PM OF PEOPLE.
03:35:02PM BY THE WAY -- BY THE WAY I AM HEARING THAT WE MIGHT HAVE --
03:35:11PM SOME PEOPLE ARE ASKING ARE WE GOING TO GET A DIFFERENT VENUE
03:35:14PM FOR TUESDAY?
03:35:15PM BUT THAT IS A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION.
03:35:17PM BUT -- YEAH, WE HAVE ALL THE KINDS OF FOLKS THAT YOU
03:35:20PM DESCRIBE.
03:35:20PM I WISH -- I WISH THERE WAS A WAY -- BACK UP.
03:35:26PM IF PRESIDENT COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT AND THE PUBLIC POLICY
03:35:30PM TEAM REPRESENTED THE CITY AND NOT THE MAYOR, WE COULD DO A
03:35:36PM LOT OF THE OUTREACH IN ADVANCE.
03:35:38PM BECAUSE WE SEE GOOGLE QUORUMS THAT ARE MOBILIZING PEOPLE TO
03:35:46PM COME AND SPEAK ON A CERTAIN TOPIC.
03:35:47PM IF THE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT POLICY PEOPLE WERE WORKING
03:35:53PM ON OUR BEHALF, THEY WOULD CONTACT THEM AND WOULD TRY TO GET
03:35:57PM US TO REACH OUT TO THEM IN ADVANCE.
03:35:58PM THEY WOULD ALERT US TO IT AND TRY TO GET US.
03:36:01PM INSTEAD, WE ARE OUT THERE TO FEND FOR OURSELVES .PEOPLE ARE
03:36:05PM ORGANIZING AROUND THINGS -- WE COULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM YOU
03:36:09PM ARE TALKING ABOUT OF THE LEGISLATURE -- WE CAN SOLVE IT BY
03:36:12PM GOING TO MEET WITH KNOWS BEFORE THEY START TO ORGANIZE.
03:36:15PM IF WE SEE THE COMMENTS POP UP.
03:36:17PM WE ARE NOT EVEN ALLOWED -- FOR EXAMPLE, I DON'T KNOW UNDER
03:36:19PM THE NEW COMMUNICATION DIRECTOR, UNDER THE LAST
03:36:23PM COMMUNICATION, WE WERE NOT TO HAVE THE CITY NEXT DOOR
03:36:27PM AMOUNTS.
03:36:28PM WE CAN ONLY SEE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD UNLESS YOU HAVE MORE THAN
03:36:33PM ONE ACCOUNT.
03:36:33PM NO SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS SET UP BY THE CITY MEANING WE HAVE
03:36:36PM TO PAY SOMEBODY TO SEARCH OUR SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS IF WE
03:36:39PM HAVE A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST ON THEM WHICH I HAD TO DO.
03:36:43PM SO AT SOME POINT, WE ARE GOING TO NEED ADDITIONAL STAFF TO
03:36:47PM MONITOR THIS STUFF FOR US.
03:36:48PM BECAUSE ESPECIALLY -- AFTER GEORGE FLOYD INCIDENT, THE --
03:36:54PM YOU KNOW, WE HAD HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE.
03:36:56PM WE HAD 1,000 PEOPLE AT A TIME MARCHING.
03:36:59PM AND WE DIDN'T EVEN THOUGH WHERE THEY WERE GOING TO MARCH AND
03:37:01PM WHAT THEY WERE DOING AND WE NEEDED TO HAVE A HEADS UP.
03:37:04PM AND PLEADING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
03:37:05PM PRIOR CHIEF.
03:37:06PM TO GIVE US A HEADS UP TO WARN NEIGHBORHOODS.
03:37:08PM WE NEED A WAY TO COMMUNICATE WITH OUR CONSTITUENTS TO HEAR
03:37:13PM WITH THEM BEFORE THEY COME UP.
03:37:15PM ONE OF THE REASONS FOLKS COME HERE, THEY DON'T KNOW THEY
03:37:18PM HAVE AN OUTLET.
03:37:20PM A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET OUR E-MAIL ADDRESSES
03:37:23PM OR HOW TO CIRCULATE IT CORRECTLY.
03:37:25PM WE SEE IT IN THE WAY WE ARE BEING REACHED OUT TOO RIGHT NOW
03:37:29PM ABOUT THE TAX.
03:37:29PM SO I THINK -- IDEALLY, WE WOULD HAVE SOMEONE TO DO EARLY
03:37:34PM INTERVENTION.
03:37:35PM OUR AIDES CAN LOOK AT SOME OF IT, BUT WE CAN'T SEE ALL OF IT
03:37:40PM CITY WIDE.
03:37:41PM I THINK AT THE BEGINNING OF EVERY MEETING, SOMEBODY SHOULD
03:37:45PM READ THE RULES.
03:37:45PM IDEALLY MARTY.
03:37:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MARTY HAS DONE SO IN THE PAST.
03:37:51PM >>BILL CARLSON: IT IS BORING NOR US BUT WE NEED THAT.
03:37:54PM ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO SAY, NO PROFANITY.
03:37:57PM NO CALLING OUT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY, NO ABUSIVE
03:38:01PM LANGUAGE.
03:38:01PM THAT KIND OF STUFF.
03:38:03PM SOFT THEN -- THEN THE PUBLIC KNOWS EVERY WEEK.
03:38:08PM PEOPLE WHO COME FOR THE FIRST TIME.
03:38:09PM PEOPLE WHO COME AND HEAR A SPEAKER WHO COMES EVERY WEEK AND
03:38:12PM THEY THINK IT IS THE FIRST TIME THEY EVER HEARD IT.
03:38:14PM IT HAS A DIFFERENT IMPACT ON THEM.
03:38:17PM IF THEY DON'T KNOW OUR RULES, THEY DON'T KNOW HOW IT HE
03:38:22PM REACT TO IT.
03:38:23PM ONE OF THE RULES AS YOU MENTIONED WE ARE NOT POSITIONED TO
03:38:25PM ENGAGE THEM IN A CONVERSATION.
03:38:26PM WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO ENGAGE THEM IN A CONVERSATION WITH.
03:38:29PM AND SO SOME PEOPLE STAND THERE AND ASK US.
03:38:32PM YOU ARE NOT GOING TO RESPOND TO ME?
03:38:35PM YOU ARE SO RUDE.
03:38:36PM HOW CAN YOU NOT RESPOND?
03:38:38PM INSTEAD OF THE CHAIR, GOOD IF MARTY GOES OVER THE RULES
03:38:41PM UNTIL ADVANTAGES.
03:38:42PM UNDER SOME CIRCUMSTANCES I THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO, BUT
03:38:46PM MAKE THAT THE EXCEPTION.
03:38:47PM OTHER THING IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE PEOPLE THAT COME
03:38:51PM REGULARLY, THEY HAVE UNDERLYING ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE
03:38:53PM ADDRESSED.
03:38:54PM AND, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE PERSON -- I WON'T NAME NAMES.
03:38:58PM ONE PERSON THAT COMES REGULARLY CARE ABOUT HOUSING.
03:39:01PM UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T CONTROL THAT.
03:39:03PM BUT WHAT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IS TAKE THOSE FOLKS AND FULLY
03:39:06PM ENGAGE THEM IN THE HOUSING DISCUSSIONS.
03:39:08PM THEY SHOULD BE REGULARLY INVOLVED.
03:39:11PM AND IF THEY FELT LIKE THEY WERE PART OF THE PROCESS, THEY
03:39:14PM WOULDN'T COME HERE EVERY WEEK TO COMPLAIN BECAUSE THEY WOULD
03:39:18PM BE INVOLVED IN SOLVING THE PROBLEM.
03:39:20PM WE HAVE A -- WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT HAS A LEGAL ISSUE WITH THE
03:39:26PM CITY AND NOT WITH US.
03:39:27PM THAT IS THE ONLY OUTLET FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.
03:39:30PM UP WISH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND OTHER DEPARTMENT ENGAGE
03:39:33PM THAT PERSON AND HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM.
03:39:35PM THERE IS A PERSON WITH A HUGE CODE ENFORCEMENT.
03:39:38PM I THINK A VERY UNFAIR CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.
03:39:40PM AND I HAVE TRIED TO INTERVENE AND I HAVE GOTTEN NOWHERE ON
03:39:46PM IT.
03:39:46PM AGAIN, IF WE ARE WORKING COLLABORATIVELY, THINGS
03:39:50PM ADMINISTRATION COULD TO DO SOLVE THE UNDERLYING ISSUES
03:39:54PM COMING.
03:39:54PM ONE HAS A CHURCH THAT IS FALLING APART.
03:39:56PM HOW DO WE -- HOW DO WE RESOLVE THE ISSUE GETTING EARLY
03:40:01PM WARNING AND IT ADDRESSING IT BEFORE THEY COME.
03:40:03PM OR WHEN THEY COME, HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE ADMINISTRATION GO
03:40:05PM AND TALK TO THEM.
03:40:07PM SEE THE ONES WHEN CHIEF BENNETT GETS A CARD AND WE DON'T
03:40:12PM MARY FLORIDA THEM AGAIN.
03:40:13PM THE ONES THAT ARE NOT BEING HANDLED WHAT WE HEAR FROM EVERY
03:40:17PM WEEK.
03:40:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT I AM HEARING SO FAR.
03:40:19PM MR. SHELBY TO READ THE INSTRUCTIONS AS WE USED TO BEFORE
03:40:22PM PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING SO IT IS
03:40:25PM CLEAR.
03:40:25PM DO NOT CALL OUT A SINGLE COUNCILMEMBERS.
03:40:28PM YOU MAY SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES.
03:40:30PM PLEASE REFRAIN FROM PROFANITY.
03:40:33PM SOMETIMES AS COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO
03:40:37PM RESPOND.
03:40:38PM A WOMAN WAS HERE WITH THE STORMWATER ASSESSMENT AND JUST HAD
03:40:42PM THE YES ON THE METER WAITING.
03:40:44PM I ANSWERED HER QUESTION -- SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO.
03:40:47PM PEOPLE NEED HELP AND THAT IS A FAIR ASSESSMENT THERE.
03:40:52PM BUT I WILL ASK MR. SHELBY TO READ THE RULES BEGINNING OF THE
03:40:57PM MEETING AS WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST AND I THINK IT WILL BE
03:41:00PM HELPFUL.
03:41:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A GOOD SUGGESTION, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:41:04PM A GOOD SUGGESTION.
03:41:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND THEN
03:41:07PM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
03:41:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
03:41:09PM I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE A POLICY.
03:41:11PM ANY NO WAY SUPPORT LIMIT OF PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING
03:41:15PM OF THE MEETING WHATSOEVER.
03:41:16PM PEOPLE ARE HERE.
03:41:17PM THIS IS THEIR PUBLIC RIGHT TO BE HERE.
03:41:19PM WE SHOULD NOT BE TALKING ABOUT MONEY.
03:41:21PM THE RULE -- WE ARE DOING THE PEOPLE'S WORK.
03:41:24PM I WILL BE HERE AS LONG AS IT TAKES.
03:41:26PM I HAVE ZERO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
03:41:27PM DON'T PLAN ANYTHING ON A THURSDAY.
03:41:30PM THAT IS PRETTY MUCH -- THAT IS WHAT I DO.
03:41:32PM WE NEED TO BE HERE THE WHOLE TIME.
03:41:34PM I HONESTLY DON'T CARE WHY PEOPLE COME AND SPEAK IN FRONT OF
03:41:37PM US.
03:41:38PM IF PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THEIR COMMUNITY COLLECTION,
03:41:41PM THAT IS UP TO THEM.
03:41:42PM THIS IS A PUBLIC QUORUM.
03:41:44PM WE SHOULD TAKE ANY COMMENT UNDER THE SUN.
03:41:47PM I AGREE SOMEWHAT TO THE RULES.
03:41:50PM OF KIND OF DON'T AGREE WITH THE RULES.
03:41:53PM I THINK YOU SHOULD COME UP HERE AND SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT.
03:41:56PM THERE IS SOME -- YOU KNOW -- NOT TARGETING INDIVIDUAL
03:42:00PM COUNCILMEMBERS, BUT BANGING ON THE DESK WHEN YOU ARE UPSET
03:42:04PM OF SOMETHING IS NOT AN AFFRONT.
03:42:05PM IT IS SIMPLY PEOPLE BEING PASSIONATE.
03:42:08PM I REMEMBER VERY CLEARLY BEING ON THAT SIDE OF THE DAIS.
03:42:12PM AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE IN THEIR PASSION.
03:42:16PM I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE NOT BEING FROM THE CITY.
03:42:18PM I HAVE NO PROBLEM, AGAIN, IF WE ARE TRAILING DOWN THE
03:42:22PM STAIRS, KNOCK YOURSELF OUT.
03:42:23PM I WILL SIT HERE ALL DAY UNTIL 6:00 JUST TO LISTEN TO PUBLIC
03:42:28PM COMMENT.
03:42:28PM THAT CONCERNS ME WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR
03:42:31PM FORM LIMITING PUBLIC COMMENT.
03:42:34PM I WILL GO TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH TO PREVENT THAT.
03:42:36PM THAT IS THE ONE THING I WILL STAND STRONGLY ON.
03:42:39PM I THINK THAT PUBLIC COMMENT, IT IS WHAT IT IS.
03:42:42PM EVERY CITY IS DIFFERENT.
03:42:43PM THIS CITY, WE JUST KNOW.
03:42:45PM SO IF YOU WERE NOT DOWN HERE TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT.
03:42:48PM PEOPLE ARE AT LEAST TUNING IN TO WATCH.
03:42:50PM THEY WILL.
03:42:51PM IF THEY ARE AT HOME, THEY ARE WATCHING.
03:42:53PM THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY.
03:42:55PM AND THEN THEY LEAVE IT ON AND LISTEN TO THE CITY ACE
03:42:59PM BUSINESS.
03:42:59PM BUT I WILL BE HONEST WITHOUT THAT LITTLE APPETIZER OF PUBLIC
03:43:02PM COMMENT, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WILL HAVE AS MANY PEOPLE
03:43:06PM WATCHING.
03:43:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET'S BE CLEAR.
03:43:08PM I SAID FROM THE BEGINNINGS I DON'T WANT TO LIMIT PUBLIC
03:43:12PM COMMENT OR FREE SPEECH AND THEIR RIGHT.
03:43:14PM BALANCE BECAUSE THIS IS A BUSINESS MEETING AND PEOPLE HERE
03:43:16PM TO DO BUSINESS WITH THE CITY.
03:43:18PM SO THERE ARE TWO COMPONENTS.
03:43:19PM WE CAN'T -- WE CAN'T NEGLECT ONE COMPONENT OF THIS FOR THE
03:43:23PM SAKE OF THE OTHER.
03:43:24PM SO WE HAVE TO FIND -- WE HAVE TO STRIKE SOME BALANCE BETWEEN
03:43:27PM THE TWO.
03:43:27PM BECAUSE THIS IS A BIG MEETING.
03:43:29PM PEOPLE COME HERE -- I MEAN, BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ARE -- YOU
03:43:33PM KNOW, AND PRODUCTIVITY AND OTHER PEOPLE -- I WILL SIT HERE
03:43:36PM ALL DAY LONG.
03:43:37PM I WILL SIT HERE OBVIOUSLY UNTIL O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
03:43:40PM NOT ABOUT THE US.
03:43:41PM IT IS ABOUT ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE DOING
03:43:44PM BUSINESS.
03:43:44PM THAT IS WHAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT.
03:43:47PM I WANT TO MAKE SURE -- I HAD THIS BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE CROSS
03:43:49PM THE LINE.
03:43:50PM I APPRECIATE -- I KNOW COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S SUGGESTION OF
03:43:54PM JUST A REMINDER OF SOME FOLKS WHAT THE RULES ACTUALLY ARE.
03:43:57PM I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL GO A LONG WAY IN
03:44:00PM RESOLVING THIS PROBLEM.
03:44:02PM IF SOMETHING ELSE HAS TO BE AGE DRESSED DOWN THE LINE, THAT
03:44:06PM WILL BE GOOD TOO.
03:44:08PM BUT I THINK THIS IS A GOOD STEP FORWARD.
03:44:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ALSO, I HAD MY AIDE MISS SHARP OUT HERE SINCE
03:44:15PM I STARTED IN ON COUNCIL.
03:44:17PM SHE IS HERE IN PUBLIC COMMENT TO DO THAT VERY THING.
03:44:20PM I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU HAVE YOUR AIDES OUT HERE TO DO
03:44:23PM THAT.
03:44:23PM BECAUSE WE ASKED PEOPLE FROM THE CITY.
03:44:25PM AND IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF WE COULD GET SOMEONE FROM THE
03:44:28PM CITY TO BE HERE TO TAKE THESE PEOPLE'S REQUESTS.
03:44:31PM BUT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT THAT, THAT IS WHY I HAVE HER
03:44:36PM COME OUT.
03:44:36PM AND I HIGHLY RECOMMEND FOR THEM ALL TO COME OUT.
03:44:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE SHOULD HAVE A MOTION SOMEWHERE ALONG
03:44:43PM THE LINE ABOUT THAT ISSUE.
03:44:44PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, APPRECIATE IT.
03:44:47PM THIS IS A VERY INTERESTING TOPIC AND I AM GLAD THAT IT IS
03:44:50PM BROUGHT UP BECAUSE PUBLIC COMMENT IS A VERY IMPORTANT PART
03:44:53PM OF WHAT WE DO.
03:44:53PM AND EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO IT BE HEARD.
03:44:56PM AND THE PASSION OR THE QUIETNESS OF WHICH THEY PRESENT IT IS
03:45:01PM NO PROBLEM FOR ME IN PARTICULAR.
03:45:03PM BUT WHAT I DO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IN TERMS OF PUBLIC COMMENT
03:45:07PM IS WHETHER IT IS THE PUBLIC OR STAFF IS THAT THERE SHOULD BE
03:45:12PM NO INTERRUPTIONS BY US ON THE DAIS, AND THAT HAS HAPPENED.
03:45:16PM AND THAT IS OUT OF ORDER.
03:45:18PM WHEN THE PUBLIC DOES IT.
03:45:20PM THEY ARE ALSO OUT OF ORDER.
03:45:22PM BECAUSE IT COULD INFLUENCE THE DECISION OF A COUNCILMEMBER
03:45:26PM IF YOU ARE SNAPPING, CLAPPING, BOOING OR CHEERING.
03:45:29PM EVERY OUTBURST WHILE A PERSON IS SPEAKING TO THE
03:45:33PM INFLUENCE OF THE PERSON SITTING UP HERE ON THE DAIS.
03:45:38PM IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT OR YOU DON'T LIKE IT.
03:45:40PM BE QUIET.
03:45:42PM LET THE PERSON SPEAK AND THAT SHOULD BE IT.
03:45:44PM NO AFTERMATH, CLAPPING, ANY OF THAT.
03:45:47PM BECAUSE IT CONFIRMS OR DENIES A PERSON OR US TO MAKE A GOOD
03:45:55PM DECISION WITHOUT BEING INFLUENCED BY WHAT THE AUDIENCE IS
03:45:58PM REACTING TO.
03:45:59PM THE OTHER PART TO THAT IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT HAVEN'T
03:46:03PM BEEN UP HERE ON THE DAIS WHERE THERE WAS A -- A PERSON HERE
03:46:08PM PRESENTING HIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO US.
03:46:11PM AND HE -- HE GOT UP TO GIVE A REBUTTAL AND HE WAS CALLED
03:46:17PM A F-ING LIAR AND THE DAIS DID NOT ANYTHING.
03:46:22PM THERE WAS NO BANGING OF THE GAVEL.
03:46:24PM I LISTENED IT.
03:46:26PM THE CHAIR SAID I DIDN'T HEAR IT.
03:46:29PM DOESN'T THE MAPPER THAT YOU DIDN'T HEAR IT.
03:46:31PM I HEARD IT.
03:46:31PM HE WAS CALLED A F'ING LIAR AND RUMBLING BECAUSE THE SOUTH
03:46:40PM TAMPA FOLKS DIDN'T LIKE HIS PROJECT.
03:46:41PM AND GIVING OFF THIS INFORMATION AND IMPRESSION THAT THEY
03:46:45PM DIDN'T LIKE IT AND COULD INFLUENCE YOUR DECISION.
03:46:47PM THAT PART OF IT HAS TO BE CUT OUT.
03:46:49PM AS FAR AS THE -- THE COMMUNICATION WITH THE -- THE
03:46:55PM COMMUNICATION TEAM.
03:46:56PM I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY JUST WORK FOR THE MAYOR.
03:46:59PM THEY ACTUALLY WORK FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE RESIDENTS
03:47:03PM AND THEY ALSO HAVE SERVED ME.
03:47:04PM I HAVE ACTUALLY WORKED WITH THEM.
03:47:06PM I HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THEM.
03:47:07PM I SOUGHT THEIR HELP IN SOME INSTANCES.
03:47:11PM MAYBE WE NEED A CLEAR DEFINITION IF THERE ARE PEOPLE ON THE
03:47:14PM COMMUNICATION TEAM THAT WILL WORK WITH US OR HOW THEY WILL
03:47:18PM DO THAT.
03:47:18PM MAYBE THAT JUST NEEDS TO BE OUTLINED.
03:47:21PM ALSO, THE PERSON THAT IS UP THERE WHEN THE BUZZER RINGS AND
03:47:26PM 30 SECONDS LEFT.
03:47:26PM THE NICE PERSON THAT YOU LET CONTINUE FOR A MINUTE OR TWO.
03:47:30PM YOU KNOW, THAT IS A PROBLEM AS WELL.
03:47:31PM BECAUSE THEN WHEN IT IS THE PERSON WITH BEING OUTRAGED AND
03:47:35PM FURIOUS AND THEY ARE GOING PAST THEIR MINUTE.
03:47:37PM THEY NEED TO -- THEY NEED TO STOP TALKING AS WELL.
03:47:40PM SO IT WORKS BOTH WAYS.
03:47:43PM YOU CAN NICE ABOUT IT, BUT ONCE YOUR TIME IS UP.
03:47:46PM YOU HAVE TO STOP THEM.
03:47:48PM YOU CAN'T GIVE THEM ADDITIONAL TIME.
03:47:50PM CONTINUE.
03:47:50PM PLEASE FINISH.
03:47:51PM BECAUSE THE MOMENT SOMETHING THAT YOU -- YOU KNOW, IT IS
03:47:54PM ALMOST LIKE YOU SHOW HOW YOU FEEL OR YOU GIVE THE IMPRESSION
03:47:57PM IF YOU DON'T STOP IT.
03:47:58PM BECAUSE THE PERSON IS BEING RUDE OR OUTBURSTING OR VERY
03:48:03PM PASSIONATE OF THEIR PARTICULAR TOPIC.
03:48:06PM THERE IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAPPEN UP HERE
03:48:09PM WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE MORE ORDER.
03:48:11PM SO EVEN FOR ME WHEN I AM CHAIRING.
03:48:15PM I WANT EVERYBODY TO SPEAK.
03:48:17PM THE RULES SAY THAT EVERY COUNCILMEMBER CAN SPEAK.
03:48:20PM AND THEN YOU CAN GO BACK AND CIRCLE BACK TO THE PERSON WHO
03:48:23PM IS ALREADY SPOKEN.
03:48:24PM THAT PERSON CAN'T INTERJECT AFTER -- IN THE MIDDLE BECAUSE
03:48:28PM OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS THAT STILL NEED TO GO IF THEY CHOOSE
03:48:32PM TO.
03:48:33PM A LOT OF TIGHTENING OF THE RULES THAT WILL BENEFIT ALL OF US
03:48:36PM INCLUDING THE PUBLIC.
03:48:38PM AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE TOLD THE RULES IN THE BEGINNING.
03:48:41PM I THINK THAT WILL BE HELPFUL.
03:48:42PM BUT A POINT OF ORDER UP HERE ON THE DAIS IN TERMS OF
03:48:48PM INTERRUPTING STAFF WHEN THEY ARE TALKING IS ALSO
03:48:51PM INAPPROPRIATE.
03:48:51PM SO IT IS, LET THEM FINISH SPEAKING.
03:48:55PM EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT THEY ARE SAYING.
03:48:57PM THAT IS NOT THE POINT.
03:48:58PM THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO PRESENT THEIR REPORTS OR SAY WHATEVER
03:49:02PM IT IS THEY NEED TO SAY WITHOUT INTERRUPTION.
03:49:05PM THAT HAPPENS IN THIS SPACE QUITE A BIT AS WELL.
03:49:07PM THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO SAY.
03:49:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:49:09PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
03:49:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
03:49:14PM YOU KNOW, IT -- IT IS SIX OF ONE AND HALF A DOZEN OF
03:49:18PM ANOTHER.
03:49:18PM YOU HAVE TO HAVE -- EVERYONE THAT COMES HERE HAS A DIFFERENT
03:49:22PM PERSONALITY.
03:49:23PM DIFFERENT OUTLOOK IN LIFE AND THAT IS WHAT LIFE IS ALL GO.
03:49:27PM EVERYBODY CAN'T BE THE SAME.
03:49:28PM BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IN SOCIETY, THEY
03:49:31PM ARE LOOKING AT MAYBE THE LAST HOPE, MAYBE THE LAST CHANCE,
03:49:35PM MAYBE THE OPPORTUNITY THAT SOMETHING THEY NEED TO SAY THAT
03:49:38PM THEY WANT TO SAY.
03:49:39PM BUT YOU GOT TO FIGURE OUT ONE THING.
03:49:41PM THEY ARE COMING HERE.
03:49:42PM WE HAVE A PARKING SPOT.
03:49:44PM THEY DON'T.
03:49:45PM THEY NEED TO FIND PARKING.
03:49:46PM THEY GOT TO DO THIS.
03:49:47PM THEY HAVE TO COME HALF HOUR TO HOUR BEFORE.
03:49:50PM THEY HAVE GET HERE.
03:49:52PM HOW DO I FIND PARKING.
03:49:54PM IT IS FULL.
03:49:55PM GO TO THE NEXT GARAGE OR WHATEVER.
03:49:56PM BEFORE THEY WALK IN THE DOOR, THEY ALREADY HAVE A LITTLE --
03:50:00PM YOU KNOW, HEAT IN THE SHOE LEATHER.
03:50:02PM AND SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS YOU GOT TO LISTEN TO THEM FOR
03:50:06PM THREE MINUTES.
03:50:06PM HOWEVER, IF YOU GIVE ONE PERSON 15 SECONDS MORE, YOU GOT TO
03:50:11PM GIVE THE OTHER PERSON 15 SECONDS AND THAT IS WHERE WE ARE
03:50:14PM LACKING.
03:50:14PM AND NO NOT A REELECTION IN ON THE CHAIR, BUS.
03:50:18PM LET ME HEAR, THREE ANYONE.
03:50:20PM NEXT PLEASE, NEXT PLEASE.
03:50:23PM IF NOT YOU LOSE THE DECORUM.
03:50:25PM I THINK EVERYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK REGARDING CITY BUSINESS OR
03:50:28PM NOT.
03:50:28PM YOU GOT TO HEAR THEM SPEAK BECAUSE I BELIEVE THEY WANT TO
03:50:31PM TELL YOU AT LEAST THAT THEY HAVE A PROBLEM.
03:50:33PM WHAT CAN YOU HELP THEM WITH OR MAYBE NOT BE ABLE TO HELP
03:50:36PM THEM WITH, BUT I CAN STILL YOU IT MAKES THINGS DIFFERENT
03:50:40PM WHEN WE HAD A CODE ENFORCEMENT RULE WAY BACK WHEN I HAD
03:50:45PM CURLS, I GUESS.
03:50:46PM YOU GET A PERSON.
03:50:46PM YOU CALL CODE ENFORCEMENT.
03:50:48PM THEY GO CHECK THE PROBLEM OUT.
03:50:50PM NOW THE WAY THEY CHANGED IT AFTER JULY 1, IF SOMEBODY CALLS
03:50:56PM THE OFFICE, I GOT TO TELL THE PERSON WHO GOT CHECKED ON, WHO
03:51:00PM TOLD ME TO GO CHECK THEM.
03:51:01PM SO WHAT AM I STARTING, A RIOT?
03:51:05PM YOU KNOW WHAT I TELL MARY, THE OFFICE OF CHARLIE MIRANDA DID
03:51:10PM IT.
03:51:10PM I GET THE HEAT.
03:51:11PM I DO IT ALL.
03:51:12PM YOU KNOW WHAT, IT WORKED FINE.
03:51:15PM I AM NOT LYING TO THEM.
03:51:16PM BUT YESTERDAY I WENT TO VISIT SOMEBODY -- IN FACT, I WASN'T
03:51:22PM GOING TO BRING THIS UP.
03:51:24PM I WILL SHOW IT TO YOU, BUT I AM NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT.
03:51:27PM THERE ARE THREE ADDRESSES ON RUN BLOCK OF ONE PERSON THAT I
03:51:31PM WENT TO SEE.
03:51:32PM ONE HAS GOT AN ENCLOSED GARAGE WITHOUT AUTO PERMIT.
03:51:36PM STRUCTURE IN BACK YARD.
03:51:38PM THE OTHER HAS SOMETHING -- A BRICK STRUCTURE THAT WASN'T
03:51:41PM THERE BEFORE.
03:51:42PM WHAT AM I GOING TO DO IT.
03:51:44PM THEY CALLED ME.
03:51:45PM I WENT TO SEE IT AND WROTE IT DOWN.
03:51:46PM I HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING YET, BUT I WILL TODAY.
03:51:49PM BECAUSE THE OFFICE OF CHARLIE MIRANDA CALLED.
03:51:52PM I AM NOT VIOLATING THE LAW.
03:51:54PM DON'T KNOW WHO CALLED.
03:51:56PM I DON'T ANSWER THE PHONE.
03:51:57PM MARY TELLS MY HERE IS WHAT IS WRONG.
03:52:00PM THE OFFICE OF CHARLIE MIRANDA CALLED.
03:52:02PM IT WHAT IT IS.
03:52:04PM YOU CAN NOT -- IF YOU GIVE SOMEBODY ONE SECOND, WHOEVER IT
03:52:08PM IS, GOING TO WANT EQUAL TIME AND THERE IS WHEN YOU START TO
03:52:11PM CRUMBLE.
03:52:12PM EVERYBODY THAT COMES HERE HAS A WELL-INTENTIONED MIND.
03:52:15PM AND LET'S LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT.
03:52:19PM THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR.
03:52:21PM AND WILLING TO SAY YES OR NO OR WHATEVER.
03:52:24PM BUT IT IS LIKE -- IT IS LIKE HAVING A BIG FAMILY.
03:52:28PM YOU HAVE TO TREAT THEM ALL ALIKE.
03:52:30PM NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE.
03:52:32PM WHERE THEY COME FROM OR HOW BIG OR HOW TALL OR WHATEVER.
03:52:35PM AND I THINK YOU WILL HAVE A MORE DECORUM.
03:52:38PM YOU SIT IT DOWN.
03:52:39PM YEAH, YOU CAN HAVE THE ATTORNEY SAY THESE ARE THE RULES.
03:52:43PM BUT LET'S NOT BREAK THE RULES OURSELVES.
03:52:45PM BECAUSE WHATEVER WE ARE DOING.
03:52:47PM THEY SAY WHAT ARE THE RULES ARE IF YOU ARE BREAKING YOUR OWN
03:52:50PM RULE.
03:52:50PM I AM NOT BLAMING YOU.
03:52:51PM I AM BLAMING THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE.
03:52:53PM AND SOMETIMES -- THE BIGGEST CASE I EVER HAD HERE AS A
03:52:58PM CHAIRMAN.
03:52:59PM I HAD A BUDGET HEARING ON A TUESDAY.
03:53:01PM ONE PERSON SHOWED UP.
03:53:03PM ONE CITIZEN.
03:53:04PM ON A THURSDAY, I HAD A LIQUOR ZONING, 450 PEOPLE SMELLED UP.
03:53:10PM I AM NOT LYING TO YOU.
03:53:11PM ALL IT WAS A FAMILY DISPUTE.
03:53:14PM I LISTENED TO 250 OF THEM SPEAK.
03:53:16PM AND I MEAN IT -- NOT ME, COUNCIL DID.
03:53:19PM AND AT THE END IT WAS ABOUT WHAT IT WAS.
03:53:22PM AND I TOLD THEM, MASS A BUDGET OF 900 AND SOME MILLION AND
03:53:29PM TODAY NO BUDGET, A LIQUOR ZONING AND I HAVE 400 AND SOME
03:53:33PM PEOPLE, FISTFUL OUTSIDE, EVERYWHERE.
03:53:35PM FOR A BUDGET, ONE.
03:53:37PM FOR A LITTLE THING ABOUT A ALCOHOL ZONING, 400 PEOPLE
03:53:42PM SHOWED.
03:53:42PM YOU.
03:53:42PM WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO?
03:53:44PM THAT IS LIFE.
03:53:45PM I CAN'T CHANGE THAT.
03:53:46PM YOU GET INVOLVED IN SOMETHING THAT YOU REALLY WANT ON ONE
03:53:49PM SIDE OR THE OTHER, YOU ARE GOING TO SHOW UP.
03:53:51PM MAYBE THOUGHT IN OUR MIND THAT EVERYTHING WAS OKAY AND NO
03:53:55PM NEED TO SHOW UP TO THE BUDGET BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO PASS OR
03:53:57PM FAIL ANYWAY.
03:53:58PM THAT IS NOT THE CASE.
03:53:59PM THE CASE IS THAT THEY SHOW UP WHEN IT IS SOMETHING THEY FEEL
03:54:03PM PASSIONATE ABOUT.
03:54:04PM WHATEVER THAT PASSION IS.
03:54:06PM THAT IS WHAT IT IS.
03:54:07PM BUT WHO AM I.
03:54:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE WILL MAKE UP FOR IT ON TUESDAY WITH
03:54:13PM THE BUDGET HEARING.
03:54:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ACTUALLY I APPRECIATE THIS CONVERSATION.
03:54:16PM THIS IS WHY -- THIS IS WHY I ASKED FOR IT TO BE ON THE
03:54:20PM AGENDA.
03:54:20PM AGAIN WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK TO EACH OTHER AND YOU COME
03:54:23PM IN.
03:54:23PM AND COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON AND -- COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON AND
03:54:27PM MYSELF, WE WERE IN MAY AND WE SEE THINGS AND WONDER SOME OF
03:54:32PM THIS.
03:54:32PM QUESTION FOR THOSE MORE SEASONED COUNCILPERSONS.
03:54:36PM HAS THE ADMINISTRATION EVER HAD STAFF HERE DURING OUR
03:54:40PM MEETING --
03:54:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THEY HAD A GENTLEMAN IN THE AUDIENCE.
03:54:44PM I BELIEVE IT WAS MR. CRONE.
03:54:47PM IF ANYONE HAD AN ISSUE, HE WOULD TALK TO THEM AND GET THEM
03:54:51PM TO THE RIGHT PLACE.
03:54:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DO A
03:54:55PM 90-DAY PILOT PROGRAM TO HAVE A CONCIERGE TYPE OF PERSON HERE
03:55:01PM DURING PUBLIC COMMENT SO WHEN ISSUES COME UP PERTAINING TO
03:55:05PM THE ADMINISTRATION THAT IS OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW AND THINGS
03:55:08PM LIKE -- BY THE WAY, MY OFFICE IS WORKING ON THE SAME ISSUE
03:55:12PM YOU PULLED THE PAPER OUT, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
03:55:14PM WHEN THESE THINGS COME UP, THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS HERE
03:55:17PM TO RESPOND AND AT THAT YOU CAN TO THOSE FOLKS.
03:55:19PM MR. MIRANDA.
03:55:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: PLEASE.
03:55:21PM I JUST WANT TO BRING ONE THING UP.
03:55:23PM IN THE OLD DAYS BETWEEN THE TWO ELEVATORS RIGHT BESIDE ONE
03:55:28PM OF THEM, THERE WAS THREE PEOPLE.
03:55:31PM THREE, SERVICE AND INFORMATION.
03:55:33PM EVERYTHING THEY WERE GOING TO SAY HERE WENT OVER THERE THEY
03:55:37PM TOLD THEM.
03:55:37PM BY THE TIME THEY COME HERE, THOSE THREE INDIVIDUALS THAT
03:55:40PM WORK FOR THE CITY, THEY WERE CITY EMPLOYEES, THEY WERE
03:55:43PM ALREADY DIRECTED THE DEPARTMENTS WHERE TO GO.
03:55:47PM MAYBE HAVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE NOW.
03:55:50PM BUT THREE PEOPLE.
03:55:51PM JOE REMEMBERS THIS AND YOU GO THERE.
03:55:53PM WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM.
03:55:54PM TAKE IT TO THE COUNCILMEMBER -- THE COUNCILPERSON OF THAT
03:55:59PM DISTRICT.
03:55:59PM IF NOT SEND IT TO ALL OF US AND HAND IT OVER.
03:56:02PM YOU KNOW WHAT?
03:56:03PM WITHIN 48 HOURS, WE HAD A MEMO BACK ON WHAT HAPPENED.
03:56:08PM AND THAT IS HOW IT WAS.
03:56:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HAPPEN BEFORE THE MEETINGS.
03:56:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THEY COME HERE AND HERE ALL THE TIME.
03:56:14PM NOT MEETINGS, HERE FIVE DAY AS WEEK.
03:56:17PM AND MAYBE THAT SERVICE IS IN THE OTHER BUILDING, BUT THREE
03:56:20PM EMPLOYEES DOWN THERE THAT THEY WOULD HANDLE ALL THE
03:56:23PM REQUESTS.
03:56:23PM BY THE TIME THEY COME HERE, THEY WERE HAPPY.
03:56:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: INTERESTING.
03:56:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WILL BRING THAT UP TO CHIEF BENNETT IF
03:56:29PM YOU WOULD LIKE.
03:56:30PM I WILL TALK TO HIM AND GET THE BALL ROLLING.
03:56:32PM YOU HAD A MOTION MADE FOR A 90-DAY PILOT.
03:56:38PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: CAN I SAY SOMETHING BEFORE IT GETS
03:56:41PM SECONDED.
03:56:42PM I JUST HAPPEN TO KNOW THIS.
03:56:43PM BECAUSE THAT BUSY PERIOD WHERE WE DO POLICE OFFICER OF THE
03:56:46PM MONTH AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
03:56:48PM I STEPPED OUT ONCE TO TAKE A PICTURE WITH THE FIRST FEMALE
03:56:52PM FIRE FIGHTER.
03:56:52PM AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WAS OUT THERE.
03:56:54PM THEY WERE ALSO OUT THERE WITH THE STUDENT.
03:56:57PM WE MAY NOT SEE THEM INSIDE THE BUILDING, BUT THEY ARE
03:56:59PM ACTUALLY ADDRESSING THINGS AS PEOPLE LEAVE THAT MAY BE
03:57:03PM SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN DEAL WITH.
03:57:04PM SO MAYBE WE SHOULD FIND OUT WHAT CURRENTLY HAPPENS IN TERMS
03:57:08PM OF THEM LISTENING.
03:57:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WILL BRING IT UP.
03:57:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT THE CHAIR.
03:57:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
03:57:18PM AND SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
03:57:20PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:57:21PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES, FOR A YEAR OR MORE, WE HAVE BEEN
03:57:25PM TALKING ABOUT THE LACK OF SUPPORT, STAFF SUPPORT, IN CITY
03:57:31PM COUNCIL, AND IN PARTICULAR FOR THE CHAIR'S SEAT.
03:57:34PM IT IS REALLY AN UNFAIR BURDEN ON THE -- ON THE AIDE OF THE
03:57:40PM CHAIR.
03:57:41PM YOU KNOW LISA, ESPECIALLY, STEPS UP AND DOES, YOU KNOW,
03:57:45PM THREE TIMES HER WORK.
03:57:46PM AND EVERYBODY STEPS UP AND DOES WORK.
03:57:48PM BUT WHAT WE -- WHAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT.
03:57:51PM AND I THINK WE REALLY NEED IS A PERSON WHO IS ASSIGNED TO
03:57:55PM THE CHAIR THAT IS -- THAT MAYBE HAVE MULTIPLE TALENTS BUT
03:58:01PM MAYBE A POLICY PERSON AND IN SOME WAY AS COMMUNICATION
03:58:04PM PERSON.
03:58:04PM THAT PERSON CAN GET INFORMATION AND DISSEMINATE TO US.
03:58:07PM LIKE I WAS SAYING, IF THAT PERSON IS MONITORING SOCIAL MEDIA
03:58:11PM AND SEES SOMETHING POPPING UP.
03:58:13PM MARTY WOULD HAVE TO CLEAR HOW THEY COULD COMMUNICATE IT AND
03:58:17PM DISSEMINATE THINGS TO US THAT WE COULD SEE.
03:58:20PM IDEALLY COME FROM THE OTHER STAFF MEMBERS.
03:58:21PM I DON'T GET THAT KIND OF COOPERATION.
03:58:24PM AND I WISH A CITY STAFF PERSON AND INSTEAD.
03:58:27PM I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS.
03:58:28PM WE CAN INCLUDE A PERSON.
03:58:30PM NOT FAIR TO THE AIDE OF THE CHAIR SO MUCH ADDITIONAL WORK
03:58:34PM AND SOMETHING THAT PERSON CAN DO ALSO.
03:58:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD.
03:58:38PM I WILL DULY NOTE ALONG WITH THIS MOTION.
03:58:41PM A MOTION AND A SECOND.
03:58:42PM ALL IN FAVOR.
03:58:44PM I WILL GET TO WORK ON THAT WITH MY AIDE, WITH CHIEF BENNETT
03:58:49PM AND WE WILL COORDINATE EVERYTHING AND GO FROM THERE.
03:58:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL SAY REFERENCE TO HIRING OF THE
03:58:55PM STAFF THOUGH.
03:58:55PM I PUT THAT RESOLUTION FOR THE BUDGET ANALYST FOR NEXT YEAR.
03:58:58PM I -- I AM GOING TO GO FOR LOOKING AT ALL THESE PROPOSED
03:59:04PM ADDITIONAL STAFF FOLKS.
03:59:05PM I AM REALLY -- I AM TREADING LIGHTLY ON THE EXPANSION OF OUR
03:59:10PM PAYROLL BASED ON THE STRESSES OF RAISES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
03:59:15PM OUR PAYROLL HAS GROWN SO RAPIDLY.
03:59:17PM I AM LOOKING WITH A WARY EYE OF OUR PAYROLL EXPANSION.
03:59:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
03:59:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
03:59:25PM AND PEOPLE MAY BE OUTSIDE HANDLING IT, BUT THE ISSUE IS, WE
03:59:31PM DON'T SEE THAT IN HERE.
3:59:32PM I THINK THAT HAVING A VISUAL PRESENCE AND WATCHING THAT
3:59:33PM HAPPEN ENABLES US TO TAKE IT OFF OF OUR PLATES BECAUSE
3:59:36PM OTHERWISE IT'S IN THE BACK OF MY HEAD, AND I'M HOPING
3:59:38PM KELLY -- MS. SHARP IS GETTING THE PERSON'S CONTACT
3:59:41PM INFORMATION, AND IF IT IS A PARTICULAR COUNCIL MEMBER
3:59:44PM PASSING IT ALONG.
3:59:45PM BUT JUST HAVING SOMEONE IN THIS SPACE THAT WOULD MAYBE
3:59:49PM FOLLOW THEM OUT INTO THE ANTECHAMBER.
3:59:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S WHAT WE DID AT ONE --
3:59:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK THAT VISUAL IS VERY HELPFUL.
3:59:57PM ALSO TO EVEN CATCH PEOPLE BEFORE THEY SPEAK IF SOMEONE
4:00:01PM KNOWS.
4:00:03PM THERE ARE DEFINITELY WAYS TO DO THAT.
4:00:05PM BUT A COMMUNICATIONS PERSON FOR CITY COUNCIL IS NOT A
4:00:08PM TERRIBLE IDEA, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF BUDGET STUFF THIS YEAR.
4:00:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU ALL FOR LISTENING TO ME AND
4:00:17PM ENTERTAINING.
4:00:17PM IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK TO EACH
4:00:19PM OTHER.
4:00:20PM I APPRECIATE THE SUGGESTIONS.
4:00:21PM I APPRECIATE COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S SUGGESTIONS ABOUT READING
4:00:24PM THE RULES.
4:00:25PM I THINK IT WILL GO A LONG WAY TOWARD BRINGING THINGS INTO A
4:00:28PM MORE PROFESSIONAL AND PRODUCTIVE MEETING AND FAIR TO
4:00:31PM EVERYBODY.
4:00:32PM AND I THINK EVERYBODY HAS BEEN HEARD.
4:00:34PM SO THANK YOU.
4:00:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
4:00:35PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
4:00:37PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST REAL FAST, RESPONDING TO A COUPLE OF
4:00:40PM THINGS.
4:00:40PM THE SALARIES OF THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE ARE LIKE 70, 80
4:00:44PM THOUSAND, AND THE STAFF THAT ARE, MAYBE SOME SLIGHTLY
4:00:50PM HIGHER.
4:00:50PM BUT THE STAFF THAT ARE IN CHARGE OF THESE OTHER THINGS, THEY
4:00:53PM ARE GETTING LIKE 160, 200 AND GETTING 10, 12 PERCENT RAISES.
4:00:58PM I THINK IN THE SCALE OF THINGS, THERE ARE A LOT OF POSITIONS
4:01:03PM THAT ARE REALLY, REALLY EXPENSIVE THAT PROBABLY SHOULDN'T
4:01:06PM BE, AND WITHIN CITY COUNCIL WE CAN GET SOMEBODY WHO IS
4:01:10PM REASONABLY PRICED.
4:01:12PM ALSO, THERE ARE SEVERAL STAFF MEMBERS WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE
4:01:14PM DOING THESE THINGS REPRESENTING THE CITY, AND IT'S OBVIOUS
4:01:18PM THAT THEY DON'T REPRESENT CITY COUNCIL.
4:01:20PM I'VE HAD ONES THAT WE HAVE DOCUMENTED IN PUBLIC RECORD THAT
4:01:24PM THEY WORKED AGAINST ME AND OTHER CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
4:01:27PM AND I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE MAYOR DIRECTLY AND CHIEF
4:01:29PM OF STAFF ABOUT IT, AND HR AND OTHERS TO TRY TO REMEDY THE
4:01:33PM ISSUES.
4:01:34PM BUT I WOULD FEEL A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE HAVING SOMEBODY
4:01:36PM THAT'S REPRESENTING CITY COUNCIL.
4:01:40PM UNFORTUNATELY, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.
4:01:42PM THE ONLY PERSON THAT CAN FIX IT IS THE MAYOR.
4:01:45PM SHE NEEDS TO TELL HER STAFF THAT THEY REPRESENT THE CITY AND
4:01:49PM NOT A POLITICAL DIRECTIVE BY THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.
4:01:53PM IF THAT HAPPENS, THEN EVERYBODY WILL WORK TOGETHER.
4:01:56PM BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED THAT HAVE NOT
4:02:02PM BUILT TRUST AND HAVE NOT BEEN GOOD.
4:02:04PM SO IF WE HAD OUR OWN PERSON, IT WOULD BE A LOT BETTER.
4:02:07PM THANK YOU.
4:02:09PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU AND THE MAYOR
4:02:11PM WORKED THINGS OUT AND MET AND TALKED ABOUT IT.
4:02:14PM HAS THIS STUFF HAPPENED SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL AND
4:02:16PM CLENDENIN HAS BEEN ON COUNCIL?
4:02:18PM DID SOME BAD THINGS HAPPEN?
4:02:19PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST -- WON'T NAME NAMES -- JUST LAST WEEK I
4:02:22PM HAD SOMEONE WHO REPORTS TO THE MAYOR STIRRING UP TROUBLE
4:02:25PM AGAINST ME IN EAST TAMPA.
4:02:27PM ON TWO DIFFERENT SUBJECTS.
4:02:28PM I FILED MY COMPLAINT.
4:02:32PM WHAT I'VE SAID TO THE MAYOR DIRECTLY IS OF MY LEGISLATIVE
4:02:36PM AIDE WENT TO THE MEDIA, WENT TO THE PUBLIC AND TRASHED THE
4:02:39PM MAYOR, I WOULD FIRE HER IN A SECOND.
4:02:42PM I'VE SAID THIS IN FRONT OF HER, SO SHE KNOWS I WOULD DO
4:02:45PM THAT.
4:02:45PM IF SOMEBODY IS MAKING 150, 160, 200 THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR
4:02:50PM REPORTING TO THE MAYOR INTENTIONALLY TRASHES A CITY COUNCIL
4:02:52PM MEMBER, WHICH CITY COUNCIL IS HALF THE --
4:02:55PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: HOW DO YOU KNOW SOMEBODY TRASHED YOU?
4:02:58PM >>BILL CARLSON: MULTIPLE FOLKS, YES.
4:03:00PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH EAST
4:03:02PM TAMPA THAT IS JUST SURPRISING TO ME.
4:03:04PM >>BILL CARLSON: BUT IT HAPPENS IN OTHER AREAS, TOO.
4:03:06PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: IT ONLY HAPPENS IN EAST TAMPA WHEN YOU
4:03:08PM COME TO THE DAIS AND TALK ABOUT IT.
4:03:10PM YOU ARE THE DISTRICT 5 REPRESENTATIVE, DISTRICT 4, YET
4:03:14PM DISTRICT 5 SEEMS TO BE THE LIFEBLOOD OF YOUR ISSUES.
4:03:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I DON'T KNOW.
4:03:19PM THIS IS ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENT.
4:03:21PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: IT WAS BROUGHT UP.
4:03:22PM HAPPEN IN MY DISTRICT.
4:03:25PM I DON'T KNOW.
4:03:26PM IF SOMEONE IS TRASHING YOU IN DISTRICT 5, THAT I'M TAKING
4:03:30PM OFFENSE TO THAT.
4:03:30PM >>BILL CARLSON: IT'S HAPPENED IN DISTRICT 4 ALSO, BUT IT
4:03:33PM HAPPENS LESS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY CAN'T GET AWAY WITH IT
4:03:37PM IN DISTRICT FOUR.
4:03:39PM FOR SOME REASON THEY THINK THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT IN
4:03:42PM DISTRICT 5 OR OTHER DISTRICTS.
4:03:43PM THE POINT IS --
4:03:44PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: BUT YOU'RE SAYING YOU HAVE A RELATIONSHIP
4:03:46PM WITH PEOPLE IN DISTRICT 5 THAT COME BACK AND TELL YOU WHAT A
4:03:49PM PROFESSIONAL STAFF MEMBER SAYS AND THEY ARE JUST SAYING
4:03:51PM SOMETHING --
4:03:52PM >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT TELL
4:03:54PM ME WHAT HAPPENED.
4:03:55PM REMEMBER WHAT MY DAY JOB IS.
4:03:57PM I HAVE PEOPLE THAT I KNOW HOW TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON
4:04:01PM AND WHAT'S BEING SAID IN THE COMMUNITY.
4:04:03PM THE THING IS, IF WE ARE REPRESENTING THE CITY, IF THE HIGHLY
4:04:09PM PAID PEOPLE ARE REPRESENTING THE CITY, THEY'LL DO THINGS
4:04:12PM DIFFERENTLY THAN MANY OF THEM ARE DOING IT NOW.
4:04:15PM WE NEED TO REPRESENT THE CITY AS A WHOLE.
4:04:17PM TRASH TALKING A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER IS NOT SOMETHING THAT
4:04:20PM HELPS THE CITY MOVE FORWARD.
4:04:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
4:04:24PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:04:24PM MR. ROBINSON.
4:04:35PM >> PUBLIC COMMENT.
4:04:36PM I'M THE ONE THAT TURN THE CAMERAS OFF.
4:04:39PM WHO WAS IT, TURN THEM OFF.
4:04:42PM LISTEN TO ME.
4:04:43PM YOU GOT THE RULES ON THE AGENDA.
4:04:47PM YOU AIN'T FOLLOWING THEM.
4:04:48PM AND THEY WRONG.
4:04:51PM THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK -- I'LL CALL YOUR NAME OUT.
4:04:55PM JUST THROW ME OUT OF THE ROOM.
4:04:58PM I'VE GOT LAWYERS, TOO.
4:04:59PM THROW ME OUT -- I'M A BUSINESSMAN, BY THE WAY, MR.
4:05:03PM CLENDENIN, FOR 32 YEARS, PROFESSIONAL CONSULTANT ENGINEERING
4:05:06PM FIRM.
4:05:07PM SOMEBODY IN HERE TALK ABOUT BUSINESS.
4:05:09PM EVERYTHING I COME IN HERE IS ABOUT BUSINESS.
4:05:11PM I DON'T COME DOWN HERE TO LISTEN ABOUT BUSINESS.
4:05:14PM I DON'T TIME TO PLAY.
4:05:15PM BE ON THE GOLF COURSE.
4:05:16PM READ WHAT IT SAYS IN YOUR RULES.
4:05:18PM REALLY, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO SPEAK IN THE BEGINNING OF THE
4:05:20PM MEETING UNLESS ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
4:05:22PM YOU AIN'T FOLLOWING THAT, BECAUSE IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT
4:05:26PM REPARATIONS OR ANYTHING NOT ON THE AGENDA, WHAT YOUR RULES
4:05:32PM SAY?
4:05:32PM YOUR RULES SAY RIGHT HERE, THE PUBLIC ADDRESS COUNCIL THREE
4:05:36PM MINUTES REGARDING ANY MATTER DURING THE GENERAL PUBLIC IN
4:05:39PM THE REGULAR SESSION.
4:05:41PM IT AIN'T EVEN ON THIS AGENDA THAT YOU HAVE PUBLIC SPEAKING
4:05:44PM COMMENT AT THE END OF THE AGENDA.
4:05:46PM WHERE IS THAT ON HERE?
4:05:47PM WHERE IS THE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE END OF THE MEETING LIKE
4:05:50PM RIGHT NOW?
4:05:50PM DON'T GET ME STARTED NOW.
4:05:52PM I KNOW WHY ALL THIS EXISTS.
4:05:54PM AND THEN IT SAY IF YOU OUT OF ORDER, THE CHAIR MAKE THE CALL
4:06:00PM IF YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER.
4:06:01PM IF YOU ARE ACTING THE FOOL.
4:06:03PM THE CHAIR.
4:06:08PM THANK YOU.
4:06:08PM THANK YOU, MR. MANISCALCO.
4:06:10PM BUT THIS IS WHAT I'M SAYING, IF YOU FOLLOW IT TO THE LETTER
4:06:16PM OF THE LAW, EVERYBODY BE OUT OF ORDER.
4:06:18PM I GET TO TALKING AND HERE GO CARLSON, WELL, I THINK THIS IS
4:06:22PM ABOUT THE -- WAIT.
4:06:24PM BE QUIET UNTIL EVERYBODY FINISH.
4:06:25PM LET ALL PUBLIC COMMENT FINISH AND THEN CITY COUNCIL START
4:06:28PM TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE PUBLIC SAID.
4:06:30PM DON'T TRY TO TALK AFTER I TALK TO SOMEBODY AROUND HERE GET
4:06:35PM YOU STIRRED UP.
4:06:36PM THAT'S GATOR BAIT.
4:06:39PM SEE, BE QUIET.
4:06:40PM WAIT TILL ALL IT'S DONE AND YOU COME BACK AT THE END OF THE
4:06:43PM MEETING OR WHATEVER BECAUSE THAT TAKE UP TIME, TOO, MR.
4:06:46PM CLENDENIN.
4:06:47PM THAT TAKE UP TIME WHEN YOU ALL TALKING.
4:06:50PM AIN'T GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH NOTHING BECAUSE YOU'RE FILLING
4:06:54PM IT.
4:06:54PM LOOK, RULES SAY IF IT AIN'T -- IF IT AIN'T ON THE AGENDA A
4:07:03PM LINE ITEM, YOU SHOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT IT IN THE FIRST
4:07:06PM PART OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
4:07:08PM ACCORDING TO THE RULES, ON THE WRITTEN RULES HERE.
4:07:10PM YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO WAIT UNTIL THE END OF THE MEETING OF THE
4:07:13PM PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT IT AIN'T ON THE AGENDA.
4:07:16PM DON'T SAY ANYTHING ON HERE ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENT RIGHT NOW.
4:07:18PM PUT IT ON THERE AND START DOING WHAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO DO.
4:07:23PM I'M ONE OF THE BIGGEST FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS PEOPLE AROUND
4:07:28PM HERE AND KNOW ALL THE WAYS TO BREAK IT OR TAKE IT.
4:07:31PM LAST THING, FOLLOW YOUR ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.
4:07:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:07:36PM >> I'M OUTTA HERE.
4:07:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
4:07:39PM YES, MA'AM.
4:07:48PM >> THANK YOU FOR THIS DISCUSSION.
4:07:51PM NANCY STEVENS.
4:07:52PM HARD ACT TO FOLLOW ONCE AGAIN.
4:07:54PM YEAH, GOOD TO KNOW THE RULES ARE HERE.
4:07:55PM I WAS GOING TO COMMENT ON THE 30 MINUTES.
4:07:58PM I SEE THAT IS IN THE RULES.
4:07:59PM BAD IDEA LIMITING TO 30 MINUTES.
4:08:02PM COUNTY COMMISSION DOES THAT.
4:08:04PM IT ELIMINATES PEOPLE FROM SPEAKING.
4:08:07PM HOW DO YOU DECIDE WHO SPEAKS AND WHO DOESN'T?
4:08:09PM NO RULES.
4:08:12PM PEOPLE SHOULD BE SPEAKING ON A PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM IN THE
4:08:14PM BEGINNING.
4:08:15PM YOU COULD OPEN UP AT THE END.
4:08:17PM OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT FOR PEOPLE TO SPEAK AT THE END OF THE
4:08:20PM MEETING FOR ANYTHING NOT ON THE AGENDA.
4:08:23PM THAT COULD HELP.
4:08:24PM YOU'VE DONE IN THE PAST WHERE YOU LIMIT PEOPLE TO TWO
4:08:26PM MINUTES IN CASE OF A BIG CROWD.
4:08:30PM SO MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING, ANOTHER WAY TO GIVE EVERYBODY A
4:08:34PM CHANCE TO SPEAK AND KIND OF MOVE IT ALONG.
4:08:37PM ANYWAY, JUST MY THOUGHTS.
4:08:38PM THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.
4:08:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:08:41PM LET'S HOLD OUR NEW BUSINESS UNTIL THIS EVENING OR TOMORROW
4:08:45PM MORNING WHEN WE'RE DONE AT 2.
4:08:48PM MAY I GET A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE?
4:08:50PM MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
4:08:52PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
4:08:54PM AYE.
4:08:54PM WE ARE ADJOURNED UNTIL 5:01 P.M.
4:08:57PM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
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