TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
BUDGET SPECIAL CALL WORKSHOP
WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 13, 2023, 3:00 P.M.
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3:03:36PM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
3:03:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.
3:03:46PM I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO
3:03:48PM ORDER.
3:03:49PM IF WE COULD HAVE ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
3:03:53PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
3:03:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
3:03:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
3:03:56PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT.
3:03:59PM >> VIERA?
3:03:59PM MIRANDA?
3:04:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
3:04:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
3:04:01PM >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
3:04:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
3:04:04PM BEFORE WE BEGIN, I'M GOING TO READ A MEMO THAT I SENT OUT
3:04:07PM YESTERDAY IN PREPARATION FOR TODAY'S BUDGET WORKSHOP SPECIAL
3:04:11PM CALL MEETING.
3:04:11PM PLEASE BE REMINDED THAT NO OFFICIAL ACTION WILL BE TAKEN
3:04:14PM TODAY.
3:04:14PM NO MOTIONS MAY BE MADE OR VOTED ON.
3:04:17PM ALL PROPOSALS WILL BE BROUGHT FORTH FOR OFFICIAL ACTION BY
3:04:21PM CITY COUNCIL AT THE 2nd BUDGET PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH WILL
3:04:24PM BE SEPTEMBER 19, 2023, AT 5:01.
3:04:27PM THAT IS TUESDAY, RIGHT HERE IN THESE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
3:04:30PM THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY WILL RECITE THE RULES OF PROCEDURE
3:04:35PM REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENT RIGHT AFTER I FINISH READING THIS
3:04:38PM AND THE CONDUCT OF THE WORKSHOP AT THE BEGINNING OF THE
3:04:40PM MEETING.
3:04:40PM PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE TAKEN ONLY AT THE START OF THE
3:04:43PM MEETING --
3:04:45PM >> WE CAN'T HEAR HARDLY AT ALL.
3:04:48PM I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOUR MIKE IS TOO FAR AWAY.
3:04:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
3:04:56PM ALL RIGHT.
3:04:57PM IN PREPARATION FOR TODAY'S 3 P.M. BUDGET WORKSHOP SPECIAL
3:05:02PM CALL MEETING, PLEASE BE REMINDED THAT NO OFFICIAL ACTION
3:05:05PM WILL BE TAKEN.
3:05:05PM NO MOTIONS MAY BE MADE OR VOTED ON.
3:05:08PM ALL PROPOSALS WILL BE BROUGHT FORTH FOR OFFICIAL ACTION BY
3:05:11PM THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE SECOND BUDGET PUBLIC HEARING ON
3:05:13PM SEPTEMBER 19, 2023, AT 5:01 P.M., WHICH IS TUESDAY COMING
3:05:17PM UP, AND IT WILL BE RIGHT HERE IN THESE CHAMBERS.
3:05:20PM THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY WILL RECITE THE RULES OF PROCEDURE
3:05:23PM REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENT AND THE CONDUCT OF THE WORKSHOP
3:05:26PM RIGHT AFTER I FINISH READING THIS MEMO.
3:05:28PM PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE TAKEN ONLY AT THE START OF THE
3:05:30PM MEETING AND WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES, AS WE ALWAYS
3:05:33PM DO, WITH NO SPEAKER WAIVER FORMS.
3:05:34PM THE SUBJECT IS LIMITED SPECIFICALLY TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2024
3:05:39PM BUDGET AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
3:05:41PM AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT, EACH COUNCIL MEMBER WHO CHOOSES TO DO
3:05:43PM SO MAY TAKE UP TO FIVE MINUTES FOR OPENING COMMENTS.
3:05:46PM PLEASE BE MINDFUL OF THE TIMING LIGHTS OR THE TIMER LIGHTS
3:05:50PM ON TOP OF THE LECTERN.
3:05:52PM GREEN, YELLOW AT 30 SECONDS AND RED WHEN THE TIME IS
3:05:55PM EXPIRED.
3:05:56PM AT ANY POINT DURING THE MEETING WHEN YOU HAVE THE FLOOR,
3:05:58PM WHEN THE TIMER GOES OFF, I'LL ASK YOU TO ESTIMATE HOW MUCH
3:06:02PM MORE TIME IS NEEDED FOR YOU TO COMPLETE YOUR COMMENTS AND
3:06:04PM WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT PERSON.
3:06:05PM COUNCIL MEMBERS, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM MAKING PERSONAL REMARKS
3:06:08PM AGAINST OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE CITY STAFF OR MEMBERS OF
3:06:10PM THE PUBLIC.
3:06:11PM A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO DIRECTS PERSONAL REMARKS WILL BE RULED
3:06:14PM OUT OF ORDER BY ME AND WILL YIELD THE FLOOR TO THE NEXT
3:06:16PM SPEAKER.
3:06:16PM PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL OF OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY STAFF
3:06:19PM AND THE PUBLIC PRESENT AND VIEWING AT HOME BY ABIDING BY
3:06:22PM THESE REQUESTS.
3:06:22PM IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT WE ALL HAVE ACCESS TO THE BUDGET,
3:06:26PM WHICH MANY OF US DO RIGHT UP HERE.
3:06:28PM TO SPEAK, TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND, THIS
3:06:34PM IS TO COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND NOT INTERRUPT ANYBODY WHILE THEY
3:06:37PM ARE SPEAKING AND PLEASE LET THEM FINISH.
3:06:39PM FIRST, REMEMBER THAT COMMUNICATION IS LISTENING FIRST AND
3:06:42PM THEN RESPONDING.
3:06:43PM ALSO, PLEASE BE MINDFUL THAT WE HAVE A 9 A.M. MEETING
3:06:46PM TOMORROW MORNING.
3:06:47PM SO LET'S DO OUR BEST TO STAY ON COURSE TODAY.
3:06:49PM IF WE ARE DONE NO LATER THAN 8:30 A.M. TOMORROW, I THINK
3:06:53PM WE'LL BE GOOD.
3:06:54PM ALL RIGHT, HAVING SAID THAT, MR. SHELBY.
3:06:57PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
3:07:00PM GOOD EVENING, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
3:07:04PM THESE ARE FROM THE RULES OF PROCEDURE, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC
3:07:08PM SHALL BE GIVEN A REASONABLE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD AT A
3:07:11PM TIME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL TAKES OFFICIAL ACTION.
3:07:13PM AS YOU KNOW, AS THE CHAIR SAID NO OFFICIAL ACTION WILL BE
3:07:17PM TAKEN AT THIS MEETING.
3:07:18PM SPEAKERS SHALL FIRST STATE THEIR LEGAL NAMES FOR PURPOSES OF
3:07:21PM IDENTIFICATION IN THE RECORD OF THE MEETING.
3:07:24PM CITY COUNCIL MAY ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS FOR MEMBERS OF THE
3:07:26PM PUBLIC TO ADDRESS COUNCIL.
3:07:28PM UNLESS SUCH TIME LIMIT IS OTHERWISE ESTABLISHED, EACH MEMBER
3:07:31PM OF THE PUBLIC SHALL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
3:07:35PM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ADDRESSING COUNCIL SHALL OBSERVE ALL
3:07:38PM TIME LIMITATIONS THAT MAY APPLY.
3:07:40PM SPEAKERS SHALL REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING
3:07:44PM MAKING VULGAR OR THREATENING REMARKS.
3:07:46PM SPEAKERS SHALL REFRAIN FROM LAUNCHING PERSONAL ATTACKS
3:07:49PM AGAINST ANY CITY OFFICIAL, CITY STAFF MEMBER OR MEMBER OF
3:07:52PM THE PUBLIC.
3:07:55PM COMMENTS SHALL BE DIRECTED TO THE COUNCIL AS A BODY AND NOT
3:07:58PM TO INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS.
3:07:59PM NO ONE PRESENT DURING A COUNCIL MEETING SHALL ENGAGE IN
3:08:03PM DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING INTENTIONALLY MAKING OR
3:08:06PM CAUSING TO BE MADE ANY DISRUPTIVE SOUND OR NOISE OR
3:08:09PM DISPLAYING SIGNS OR GRAPHICS IN A MANNER DISRUPTIVE TO THE
3:08:13PM PROCEEDINGS.
3:08:14PM ALL PERSONS SHALL AT ALL TIMES CONDUCT THEMSELVES IN
3:08:17PM ACCORDANCE WITH COUNCIL RULES.
3:08:20PM PERSONS FAILING TO DO SO SHALL BE RULED OUT OF ORDER AND MAY
3:08:22PM BE DIRECTED AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR TO BE REMOVED
3:08:26PM FROM COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
3:08:28PM SHALL PERSON SHALL NOT THEREAFTER BE READMITTED TO THE
3:08:31PM COUNCIL CHAMBER OR CITY HALL DURING THE REMAINDER OF THAT
3:08:34PM DAY'S MEETING.
3:08:34PM THE CHAIR SHALL RULE OUT OF ORDER ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC
3:08:37PM WHO SHALL SPEAK WITHOUT BEING RECOGNIZED OR WHO SHALL NOT
3:08:41PM ADDRESS COUNCIL FROM THE PODIUM OR OTHER ESTABLISHED SPEAKER
3:08:43PM AREA.
3:08:44PM AND NO PERSON SHALL APPROACH THE DAIS OF THE CITY COUNCIL
3:08:46PM DURING MEETINGS EXCEPT COUNCIL MEMBERS AND EMPLOYEES OF THE
3:08:49PM CITY UNLESS INVITED BY A MEMBER OF COUNCIL.
3:08:52PM AS TO THE CONDUCT OF THE MEETING, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS,
3:08:56PM PLEASE, COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING A
3:08:59PM SPEAKER IN DIALOGUE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.
3:09:01PM HOWEVER, AT A WORKSHOP SUCH AS THIS, YOUR RULES PROVIDE THAT
3:09:05PM ANY MEMBER OF COUNCIL MAY ASK QUESTIONS OF ANY PERSON
3:09:08PM PRESENT.
3:09:09PM NO COUNCIL MEMBER SHALL SPEAK TO A SUBJECT UNDER DISCUSSION
3:09:13PM WITHOUT RECOGNITION BY THE CHAIR.
3:09:14PM WHEN MORE THAN ONE MEMBER REQUESTS RECOGNITION AT THE SAME
3:09:18PM TIME, THE ORDER OF SPEAKERS WILL BE DECIDED AS FAIRLY AS
3:09:22PM POSSIBLE BY THE CHAIR.
3:09:23PM COUNCIL MEMBERS SHALL REFRAIN FROM SPEAKING MORE THAN TWICE
3:09:28PM ON THE SAME SUBJECT AT THE SAME MEETING AND SHOULD NOT BE
3:09:31PM RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR TO SPEAK THE SECOND TIME IF ANOTHER
3:09:35PM MEMBER WHO HAS NOT SPOKEN TO THE QUESTION DESIRES THE FLOOR.
3:09:40PM COUNCIL MEMBERS SHALL LIMIT THEIR TIME FOR THEIR REMARKS ON
3:09:44PM THE AGENDA ITEM TO NO LONGER THAN FIVE MINUTES.
3:09:47PM COUNCIL SHOULD AVOID ANY DISCUSSION OF MATTERS AT A PUBLIC
3:09:50PM MEETING WHERE THE CITY IS OR IS LIKELY TO BE A PARTY IN
3:09:52PM LITIGATION WITHOUT CONCURRENCE OF COUNCIL.
3:09:55PM THE CHAIR SHALL DECIDE ALL QUESTIONS OF PROCEDURE AND ORDER
3:10:01PM AND THE DECISION SHALL STAND UNLESS REVERSED BY A MAJORITY
3:10:04PM VOTE OF THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL.
3:10:07PM ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER NEWLY REVISED SHALL COVER THE
3:10:10PM PROCEEDINGS AND GOVERN THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE CITY COUNCIL
3:10:13PM IN ALL CASES NOT PROVIDED FOR IN THESE RULES OF PROCEDURE.
3:10:17PM AND FINALLY, ANY OF THE FOREGOING RULES MAY BE TEMPORARILY
3:10:20PM SUSPENDED FOR THE MEETING THEN IN SESSION BY A SUPERMAJORITY
3:10:24PM VOTE OF FIVE OR MORE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL UNLESS SUCH WAIVER
3:10:28PM IS IN CONFLICT WITH THE CITY CHARTER OR STATE OR LOCAL LAW.
3:10:31PM THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
3:10:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. SHELBY.
3:10:34PM WE HAVE ONE REGISTERED SPEAKER ONLINE.
3:10:36PM WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE GENTLEMAN, MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
3:10:39PM YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE IN-PERSON
3:10:42PM PUBLIC SPEAKERS.
3:10:43PM MR. RANDOLPH.
3:10:46PM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:10:48PM I CAME TONIGHT PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT CONCERNS ABOUT THE
3:10:54PM BUDGET.
3:10:54PM UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE OF THE UNTIMELY DEATH OF KATIE
3:11:00PM McGILL, WHO WAS THE PRESIDENT OF DRESS FOR SUCCESS, SHE
3:11:05PM WAS A GIANT AMONG GIANTS AND SHE PASSED AWAY UNTIMELY.
3:11:11PM SHE WAS DEFINITELY A MAJOR FORCE IN WEST TAMPA.
3:11:15PM SHE FOCUSED ON PROVIDING ASSISTANCE TO LOW-INCOME WOMEN.
3:11:20PM SHE FOCUSED ON CONNECTING TO CLOTHES FOR DRESS FOR SUCCESS
3:11:28PM TO EMPLOYMENT, BUT MORE IMPORTANT, SHE FOCUSED ON
3:11:32PM EMPOWERMENT.
3:11:32PM I FIRST MET HER WHEN I CAME TO WEST TAMPA AND WE CLICKED
3:11:35PM RIGHT AWAY.
3:11:37PM AS A MATTER OF FACT, SHE GAVE ME MY FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO DO
3:11:41PM CONSULTANT WORK.
3:11:42PM SHE WAS ONE OF THE FIRST ONES.
3:11:43PM SO SHE KEPT CLOSE TO EACH OTHER EVEN TO TODAY.
3:11:49PM SHE HAS TOUCHED THOUSANDS OF LIVES WHEN IT COMES TO BOTH
3:11:55PM POOR AS WELL AS MODERATE INCOME FEMALES THROUGHOUT THE
3:12:00PM UNITED STATES.
3:12:00PM I WANTED TO TAKE THIS TIME TO SALUTE A SUPERSTAR.
3:12:05PM AND IT'S EVIDENT BY THE FACT THAT ON SOCIAL MEDIA NOW IT'S
3:12:10PM GONE CRAZY.
3:12:10PM SO LET ME END BY SAYING, FRIEND, YOU DID A GREAT JOB AND JOB
3:12:16PM WELL DONE.
3:12:17PM THANK YOU.
3:12:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
3:12:19PM REMEMBER TO PLEASE KEEP THE PUBLIC COMMENTS TO THIS BUDGET.
3:12:24PM THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
3:12:26PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
3:12:26PM ALL RIGHT.
3:12:29PM WHOMEVER WISHES TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME UP TO THE LECTERN.
3:12:32PM STATE YOUR NAME, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
3:12:46PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CITY COUNCIL.
3:12:49PM >> CAN'T HEAR HER.
3:12:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE MICROPHONE IS ON.
3:12:57PM CAN WE TURN UP THE VOLUME ON THE SPEAKERS, I GUESS?
3:13:01PM THE MICROPHONE, IT'S INVISIBLE.
3:13:05PM IT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.
3:13:06PM CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME?
3:13:33PM THE VOLUME IS UP.
3:13:36PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CITY COUNCIL.
3:13:40PM MY NAME IS SANDRA DIDIEGO SANCHEZ.
3:13:44PM I'M A MEMBER OF THE BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD, BUT I'M HERE AS A
3:13:49PM PRIVATE TAX-PAYING CITIZEN.
3:13:51PM LAST WEEK I ASKED YOU TO VOTE THE MILLAGE RATE DOWN, AND YOU
3:13:54PM DID.
3:13:55PM THOSE OF YOU WHO DID, I THANK YOU.
3:13:57PM WHILE I WAS UP HERE LAST WEEK, I ASKED THE POSSIBILITY OF
3:14:00PM HAVING AN AUDIT DONE JUST SO WE COULD SEE WHERE SOME OF THE
3:14:03PM MONEY AND SOME OF OUR QUESTIONS WERE.
3:14:05PM I KNOW THAT YOU ALL HAVE ALSO TALKED ABOUT A BUDGET ANALYST,
3:14:09PM BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU A THIRD OPTION, AND THAT IS
3:14:13PM THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT IN THIS BUDGET, THE QUESTIONS
3:14:17PM THAT WE ARE ASKING, THE ANSWERS ARE THERE.
3:14:19PM THE PROBLEM IS WE CANNOT GET TO THEM.
3:14:21PM I SUGGEST THAT WE HIRE A PROGRAMMER THAT WILL HELP YOU BE
3:14:25PM ABLE TO GET TO THE INFORMATION YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
3:14:28PM FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE'S DIRECTORY AT THE BEGINNING OF IT,
3:14:33PM YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE YOUR COMPUTER, YOUR CURSOR, CLICK
3:14:36PM ON WASTE MANAGEMENT AND IT WOULD TAKE TO YOU ANYTHING THAT
3:14:39PM HAS TO DO WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT SO YOU CAN GET YOUR ANSWERS.
3:14:42PM LET'S LOOK AT TECHNOLOGY AS ONE OF THE SOLUTIONS TO HAVING A
3:14:48PM BETTER BUDGET THAT EVERYBODY CAN READ NEXT YEAR.
3:14:51PM THE OTHER THING IS I SENT YOU ALL AN E-MAIL ASKING A
3:14:54PM QUESTION.
3:14:55PM SURELY THERE ARE INTEREST-BEARING ACCOUNTS THAT THE CITY OF
3:14:59PM TAMPA HAS.
3:15:01PM I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT INTEREST.
3:15:04PM WHAT BUCKET OF MONEY DOES THAT GO IN?
3:15:07PM I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S THE MONEY THAT -- MAKING
3:15:11PM MONEY OFF OUR TAXPAYERS' MONEY.
3:15:12PM SO I THINK THAT IS A QUESTION THAT I'M ASKING YOU TO ASK.
3:15:16PM I HOPE THIS MEETING IS SUCCESSFUL FOR YOU THIS EVENING.
3:15:19PM I HOPE WE GET ANSWERS TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAVE
3:15:21PM ASKED.
3:15:22PM THANK YOU.
3:15:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:15:23PM ALL RIGHT.
3:15:24PM NEXT SPEAKER.
3:15:33PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
3:15:35PM CHRISSY TAYLOR.
3:15:36PM TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON, COUNCILMAN HURTAK, COUNCILMAN
3:15:41PM MANISCALCO AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, THANK YOU FOR YOUR
3:15:44PM COURAGE AND BEING THE TRUE REPRESENTATION OF THE CITY OF
3:15:46PM TAMPA AND LISTENING TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS.
3:15:49PM COUNCILMAN VIERA, CAN APPRECIATE YOUR ATTEMPT TO FIND SOME
3:15:53PM MIDDLE GROUND.
3:15:53PM BUT TO COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN AND HENDERSON, ENJOY YOUR SEATS
3:15:57PM BECAUSE COME NEXT ELECTION YOU WILL BE OUT.
3:15:59PM YOU SIGNED YOUR RESIGNATION THE DAY YOU SIGNED FOR THIS TAX
3:16:02PM INCREASE, AND IT WILL BE A GREAT DAY FOR TAMPA WHEN YOU BOTH
3:16:05PM WILL BE REPLACED BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND
3:16:07PM WHAT A MINIMUM TAX BURDEN OF 16% MEANS NOT ONLY TO THE
3:16:11PM POOREST OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS, BUT TO THE GREATEST AS WELL.
3:16:14PM MY FATHER WHO GREW UP IN RURAL WEST VIRGINIA -- AND I
3:16:17PM APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE FOR THE DEROGATORY MANNER IN WHICH I
3:16:21PM SAY IT -- BUT HE USED TO SAY TO ME, QUOTE, GOVERNMENT AIN'T
3:16:24PM NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF PIMPS, YOU WORK THEY TAKE YOUR MONEY.
3:16:28PM THEY SAY THEY'LL TAKE CARE OF YOU, THEY ALWAYS WANT MORE NO
3:16:32PM MATTER HOW HARD YOU WORK AND YOU NEVER KNOW WHERE THE MONEY
3:16:35PM GOES.
3:16:35PM LET ME BE TOTALLY AND PERFECTLY CLEAR.
3:16:37PM THIS IS NOT YOUR MONEY.
3:16:38PM THIS IS MY MONEY, HIS MONEY, HER MONEY.
3:16:41PM NOT THE GOVERNMENT PIMP'S MONEY.
3:16:43PM SOMETHING IS SERIOUSLY WRONG WITH OUR BODY OF GOVERNMENT
3:16:45PM WHEN WE, THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA, STANDING RIGHT HERE IN FRONT
3:16:48PM OF OUR GOVERNMENT BEGGING AND PLEADING YOU TO NOT TAKE MORE
3:16:51PM OF OUR OWN HARD-EARNED MONEY.
3:16:53PM IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING, YOU'RE NOT FIT TO
3:16:55PM REPRESENT ME OR ANYONE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
3:16:57PM THIS BUDGET NEEDS TO REFLECT THIS UNDERSTANDING AND NOT THE
3:17:00PM OTHER WAY AROUND.
3:17:01PM PEOPLE HAVE THE ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO RETIRE AND DIE IN THEIR
3:17:05PM VERY HOMES THEY OWN.
3:17:06PM THEY OWN, NOT YOU.
3:17:07PM THEY HAVE PAID THEIR FAIR SHARE.
3:17:08PM IT IS THEIR PROPERTY, NOT THE CITY OF TAMPA.
3:17:10PM WHAT WAS YOUR PLAN, CLENDENIN AND HENDERSON?
3:17:13PM TO HAVE YOUR CONSTITUENTS KICKED OUT OF THEIR HOUSES WITH A
3:17:16PM DOUBLE DIGIT TAX INCREASE, MOVE THEM INTO AFFORDABLE
3:17:18PM HOUSING?
3:17:18PM DEPRIVE THEM OF THEIR HISTORY AND THEIR DIGNITY AND TAKE
3:17:24PM THEM OUT OF THEIR OWN HOMES.
3:17:25PM YOU KNOW WHAT THAT'S CALLED -- PROBLEM, REACTION, SOLUTION,
3:17:26PM WHERE THE GOVERNMENT MANIPULATES THE POPULATION BY
3:17:29PM INTRODUCING A PROBLEM AND THEN USING THEIR OWN MEANS TO
3:17:31PM SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
3:17:32PM THE WOMEN FROM JACKSON HEIGHTS AND MANY OTHERS LIKE THEM
3:17:34PM LOOKED YOU IN THE FACE AND ASKED YOU BOTH FOR COMPASSION AND
3:17:37PM UNDERSTANDING AND YOU BOTH GAVE NONE.
3:17:39PM YOU BOTH HAVE SPOKEN BUT NOT FOR YOUR CITY OF TAMPA
3:17:43PM CONSTITUENTS, BUT FOR YOUR SELF-INTEREST OF
3:17:44PM SELF-PRESERVATION AND STATUS.
3:17:46PM WHEN YOUR PUBLIC POLICY AND POLITICS DISPLACES OUR MOST
3:17:49PM VULNERABLE, YOU ARE NOT FIT FOR OFFICE NOR THE CHAIR IN
3:17:52PM WHICH YOU SIT.
3:17:53PM THIS BUDGET NEEDS TO BE BALANCED, REFLECT THAT TO ALL OF
3:17:56PM THOSE IN THE GREAT CITY OF TAMPA COMMUNITY AND ON ALL SIDES.
3:17:58PM IT WAS A GREAT DAY WHEN THIS TAX INCREASE WAS DENIED.
3:18:01PM THE GREAT ST. THOMAS AQUINAS ONCE QUOTED SAYING, LOVE IS
3:18:07PM WILLING THE GOOD OF THE OTHER.
3:18:08PM SO PLEASE WILL YOUR WILL FOR THE GOOD AND THE LOVE OF THIS
3:18:12PM CITY.
3:18:12PM THANK YOU.
3:18:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE,
3:18:14PM AS AN ENTIRE BODY.
3:18:16PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:18:22PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
3:18:23PM MY NAME IS MARILYN BAILEY.
3:18:25PM I'M HERE AS A CONCERNED RESIDENT OF THE HOMELESS, PREFERABLY
3:18:33PM THE HOMELESS WHO ARE WITHOUT HOMES.
3:18:36PM HARD TO SAY HOMELESS WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A HOME BECAUSE IT'S
3:18:39PM LIKE AN OXYMORON.
3:18:41PM SO MY PREMISE HERE TODAY IS THAT WE HAVE SINCE 2020, WE'VE
3:18:48PM HAD 40% HOMELESS INCREASE.
3:18:52PM AND AS OF 2020, WE HAD A 21% ADDITIONAL INCREASE.
3:18:57PM THESE INDIVIDUALS HAVING DIFFICULTY KEEPING UP WITH THE
3:19:02PM EVER-RISING RENTAL INCREASES AND APPROXIMATELY 1500
3:19:06PM INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE ARE LIVING WITHOUT HOUSING, AND WE
3:19:09PM SHOULDN'T BE SAYING THAT FOR ANYBODY.
3:19:11PM WE SHOULD NEVER BE WITHOUT HOUSING.
3:19:14PM THE AVERAGE RENTAL RATE CURRENTLY IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS
3:19:20PM $2,799.
3:19:23PM AS AN INDIVIDUAL LIVING ON A FIXED INCOME, THAT'S WAY OUT OF
3:19:30PM MY RANGE.
3:19:31PM LIKE MY FATHER USED TO SAY, YOU CAN'T FEED A CLOSED MOUTH.
3:19:35PM I'VE HAD TO ASK FOR GRANT HELP ON SOME MONTHS TO PAY FOR
3:19:39PM RENT.
3:19:39PM I'M A VERY PROUD INDIVIDUAL.
3:19:41PM I'VE ALWAYS WORKED FOR WHATEVER I WANTED.
3:19:45PM NOW TO HAVE TO ASK SOMEBODY TO HELP ME WITH MY RENT, THAT'S
3:19:49PM RIDICULOUS.
3:19:49PM SO WE NEED TO SAY WHAT'S IN THIS BUDGET TO HELP THE
3:19:53PM HOMELESS?
3:19:53PM WHAT'S GOING TO BE DONE TO KEEP PEOPLE OFF THE STREET?
3:19:58PM THE 62 PLUS AND WOMEN AND CHILDREN ARE THE ONES MOSTLY
3:20:02PM AFFECTED BY THIS HOMELESSNESS.
3:20:04PM AND IF THIS BUDGET DOES NOT DO ANYTHING TO HELP US, THEN
3:20:08PM WHERE ARE WE TO GO?
3:20:10PM ME AS AN INDIVIDUAL, I NEVER HAD TO THINK ABOUT LIVING ON
3:20:13PM THE STREET, BUT MIGHT COME A TIME WHEN I HAVE TO LIVE ON THE
3:20:18PM STREET BECAUSE I HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO GO, BECAUSE IF MY RENT
3:20:21PM CONTINUES TO GO UP, WHERE WILL I GET THE EXTRA MONEY?
3:20:25PM AT MY STAGE OF LIFE, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO WORK, BUT IF I
3:20:28PM HAVE TO, I WILL.
3:20:29PM BUT IT SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE THAT WAY.
3:20:32PM AS THE CITY COUNCIL, YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO FIND A WAY
3:20:39PM TO PUT THE HOMELESSNESS IN YOUR BUDGET AND MAKE IT A
3:20:43PM STEADFAST OPTION TO GET THE HOMELESS OFF THE STREET.
3:20:48PM ACTUALLY, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE SLEEPING UP IN
3:20:50PM THE VIADUCTS BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO GO OR HAVE
3:20:55PM PEOPLE STANDING ON THE STREETS BEGGING BECAUSE THEY HAVE
3:20:57PM NOWHERE TO GO.
3:21:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:21:01PM NEXT SPEAKER.
3:21:08PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
3:21:09PM MY NAME IS STEVEN HOVSEPIAN.
3:21:12PM I AM THE CURRENT CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF THE YBOR
3:21:15PM CITY MUSEUM SOCIETY.
3:21:17PM IT IS A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION WITH THE MISSION OF
3:21:20PM PRESERVING AND PROMOTING THE CULTURAL HERITAGE OF YBOR CITY.
3:21:23PM FOR 40 YEARS, THE ORGANIZATION HAS BEEN INTEGRAL IN HELPING
3:21:27PM TAMPA MAINTAIN ONE OF A HANDFUL OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN THE
3:21:31PM STATE OF FLORIDA.
3:21:31PM IN 2021, WE OPENED AND STAFFED THE TAMPA BASEBALL MUSEUM.
3:21:37PM OUR STAFF MEMBERS CURATE EXHIBITS, PROVIDE TOURS TO BOTH
3:21:42PM MUSEUMS, DEVELOP THE EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS AND CURRICULUMS
3:21:45PM FOR TEACHERS AND COACHES, COUNSELORS, ALL FOR EDUCATIONAL
3:21:50PM PURPOSES.
3:21:51PM WE INCLUDE MIDDLE SCHOOLS TO COLLEGE LEVEL, HOMESCHOOLING
3:21:55PM GROUPS, LITTLE LEAGUES, YOUTH GROUPS.
3:21:57PM THE SERVICES OF THE YBOR CITY MUSEUM SOCIETY SERVE WELL
3:22:02PM BEYOND YBOR CITY.
3:22:03PM RECENT TOURS OF THESE MUSEUMS INCLUDE PIERCE MIDDLE SCHOOL,
3:22:07PM BELMONT HEIGHTS LITTLE LEAGUE, TOWN N' COUNTRY COMMUNITY
3:22:12PM CENTER, TAMPA BAY INTERNATIONAL SCHOOL, HILLSBOROUGH HIGH
3:22:14PM SCHOOL, AND USF AND UT JUST TO NAME A COUPLE.
3:22:18PM THE SERVICES REACH UNDERPRIVILEGED CHILDREN.
3:22:21PM IF THESE TOURS ARE PROVIDED AND A CHILD CANNOT PAY, THE
3:22:25PM SOCIETY COVERS THAT COST.
3:22:27PM WE ALSO COVER THE COST OF THE CHAPERONS.
3:22:30PM RECENTLY, THE YBOR CITY MUSEUM SOCIETY LAUNCHED AN
3:22:35PM INITIATIVE PROGRAM WITH MOBILE MUSEUMS, TAKING THE MUSEUMS
3:22:37PM AND EXHIBITS AND ARTIFACTS TO THOSE WHO CANNOT MAKE IT TO
3:22:42PM THE MUSEUM.
3:22:43PM ELDERLY COMMUNITIES HAS BEEN THE FOCUS.
3:22:45PM WE ARE BOOKING MOBILE VISITS WITH THE TAMPA HOUSING
3:22:47PM AUTHORITY AND SEVERAL TOURS BEING BOOKED WITH THE UPCOMING
3:22:51PM HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH.
3:22:53PM WE SPONSOR LOCAL EVENTS IN YBOR, LIKE THE LEGACY AWARDS,
3:22:57PM BUILDINGS ALIVE, ARCHITECTURAL, BUT OUR REACH IS FAR BROADER
3:23:01PM THAN YBOR CITY.
3:23:02PM WE HAVE BROUGHT GROUPS, TOURS TO THE MUSEUMS, TO TAMPA FROM
3:23:07PM BELLE GLADE, VENICE, CLEARWATER, LAND O'LAKES, ALL OVER THE
3:23:12PM STATE.
3:23:12PM THE CITY OF TAMPA FUNDING FOR THIS ORGANIZATION IS CRITICAL.
3:23:15PM WE RECEIVE NO STATE FUNDS.
3:23:17PM THE COUNTY FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE THROUGH CERTAIN GRANTS FOR
3:23:20PM BUILDINGS, STRUCTURES, HISTORICAL STRUCTURES, FOR THE
3:23:23PM OPERATIONAL NEEDS OF THE YBOR CITY MUSEUM SOCIETY TO
3:23:27PM CONTINUE DOING WHAT IT'S DOING.
3:23:29PM THE CITY OF TAMPA FUNDING IS CRITICAL.
3:23:31PM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
3:23:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:23:34PM NEXT SPEAKER.
3:23:37PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
3:23:38PM JOHN MILLER.
3:23:39PM VICE PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA POLICE BENEVOLENT ASSOCIATION.
3:23:42PM I'VE SEEN MANY OF YOU SEVERAL TIMES.
3:23:44PM I CAME TO BASICALLY SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE INCREASE IN
3:23:47PM MANNING.
3:23:48PM I KNOW WE HAVE ONE COUNCILMAN LEADING THE CHARGE, HELPING TO
3:23:52PM PUSH FOR AN EXTRA 200 THAT WE HAVE SINCE GOTTEN WITH THE
3:23:55PM CHIEF.
3:23:55PM COME UP WITH A MASTER PLAN ON SLOWLY INCREMENTAL ADDITIONS
3:23:58PM TO HELP GET THERE.
3:23:59PM THIS TIME, IT WAS BASICALLY CALLING FOR AN EXTRA 30.
3:24:03PM I THINK EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL HAS BASICALLY AT SOME POINT
3:24:06PM SPOKEN IN FAVOR OF THAT KNOWING WE DEFINITELY NEED AN
3:24:09PM INCREASE IN MANNING AND WHAT THAT MEANS TO THE DEPARTMENT,
3:24:11PM ESPECIALLY WITH THE GROWTH THAT THE CITY HAS EXPERIENCED AS
3:24:13PM OF LATE.
3:24:14PM THE CHIEF AND HIS STAFF DID A GREAT JOB GOING OUT AND
3:24:17PM FINDING FEDERAL GRANT THAT LOOKS LIKE IT WILL PROBABLY FUND
3:24:19PM A GOOD PORTION OF THAT, WHICH SHOULD HOPEFULLY FIND OUT
3:24:23PM AROUND OCTOBER 1st WHETHER OR NOT THEY GET THAT.
3:24:26PM WE HAVE TO DO OUR PART AND DO THE MATCHING FUNDS.
3:24:28PM WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS A PRIORITY WHEN IT COMES DOWN
3:24:30PM TO IT BECAUSE WE'RE ESSENTIALLY GETTING THE FIRST COUPLE OF
3:24:33PM YEARS, PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR FOR COPS, AND EVENTUALLY THAT
3:24:36PM BURDEN TRANSFERS OVER TO THE CITY AS IT WOULD.
3:24:40PM TURNING DOWN A FEDERAL GRANT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE MATCHING
3:24:44PM FUNDS, GOOD WAY TO GET YOURSELF BLACKBALLED.
3:24:46PM POSTPONING A YEAR IS NOT A FEASIBLE SOLUTION.
3:24:52PM WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT REMAINS A PRIORITY OF COUNCIL.
3:24:54PM AND I THINK THAT IT IS.
3:24:55PM I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
3:24:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
3:24:59PM NEXT SPEAKER.
3:24:59PM PLEASE SILENCE YOUR PHONE.
3:25:06PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL, NICK STOCCO, PRESIDENT OF THE
3:25:09PM TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS LOCAL 754.
3:25:11PM I COME BEFORE YOU TODAY IN FRONT OF THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
3:25:14PM AND THE CITY REPRESENTING THE 730 STRONG FIREFIGHTERS IN
3:25:18PM YOUR BACKYARDS AND IN YOUR COMMUNITIES THAT COME TO YOUR
3:25:21PM HOUSE WHEN YOU CALL 911.
3:25:23PM I URGE TO PRESERVE WHAT WE HAVE LEFT IN THE BUDGET FOR
3:25:26PM PUBLIC SAFETY, SPECIFICALLY FOR FIRE.
3:25:29PM LAST YEAR, IT APPEARS THAT WE WERE 59% OF THE BUDGET WORTHY
3:25:34PM AND IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, IT APPEARS THAT WE'RE 55% WORTHY.
3:25:38PM WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO DO THE SAME LEVEL OF
3:25:42PM SERVICE AND CONTINUE TO GROW, BUT WE CAN'T BE EXPECTED TO DO
3:25:46PM THAT WITH LESS IN OUR BUDGET.
3:25:47PM DAILY WE SEE THE APPROVALS OF THE NEW BUILDINGS AND
3:25:52PM HIGH-RISES SPECIFICALLY WITH NO GROWTH TO THE FIREFIGHTERS,
3:25:57PM THE 30 FIREFIGHTERS THAT WERE BY WAY OF GRANT WERE COST
3:26:01PM NEUTRAL AND NO MATCH FOR THE FIRST THREE YEARS OF THE CITY.
3:26:03PM WE HOPE TO CONTINUE TO GROW OUR MEMBERSHIP TO BE ABLE TO
3:26:06PM PROVIDE THE CITIZENS WITH ADEQUATE STAFFING TO BE ABLE TO BE
3:26:12PM ON SCENE AT A RAPID TIME.
3:26:14PM WITH THAT SAID, I'M AVAILABLE.
3:26:16PM I KNOW THAT NO ACTION CAN BE TAKEN TODAY, BUT I'M AVAILABLE
3:26:19PM AT ANY TIME IF ANYONE WANTS TO HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATION.
3:26:22PM BUT, PLEASE, LET'S KEEP THE PUBLIC SAFETY MOST IMPORTANTLY,
3:26:26PM THE FIRE UNION AND THOSE FIREFIGHTERS IN THE FRONT PAGE OF
3:26:29PM YOUR BOOK.
3:26:30PM THANK YOU.
3:26:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
3:26:31PM YES, MA'AM, NEXT SPEAKER.
3:26:37PM >> HI.
3:26:37PM MY NAME IS MARA OPSAL.
3:26:43PM I LIVE IN WEST TAMPA.
3:26:43PM AND I AM A VOLUNTEER ACTIVIST FOR A NUMBER OF LOCAL
3:26:47PM ORGANIZATIONS.
3:26:48PM AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
3:26:49PM PLEASE KEEP YOUR PROMISE TO FULLY FUND THE AFFORDABLE
3:26:51PM HOUSING IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET.
3:26:53PM YOU SAID YOU'RE NOT GOING TO RAISE THE TAXES, YOU'D FIND A
3:26:56PM WAY.
3:26:56PM PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU FIND A WAY.
3:26:58PM SOMETHING THAT'S PROBABLY NEVER COME UP BEFORE YOU BEFORE,
3:27:01PM IS I AM GOING TO STRONGLY ENCOURAGE TO YOU FULLY FUND THE
3:27:04PM PARKING DIVISION BUDGET.
3:27:06PM FROM WHAT I COULD TELL AND AS SANDY SANCHEZ SAID EARLIER, IT
3:27:11PM IS REALLY HARD TO FIND INFORMATION IN THAT BUDGET.
3:27:14PM FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, THERE IS A REQUEST FOR SIGNIFICANT
3:27:17PM INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF PARKING ENFORCEMENT SPECIALISTS.
3:27:21PM I WILL REMIND YOU, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, THEY ARE THE ONLY
3:27:24PM PEOPLE ENFORCING THE RULES.
3:27:27PM I'VE TALKED TO THEM WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN OUT THERE.
3:27:29PM THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TASKED WITH KEEPING THE CARS
3:27:32PM OFF THE SIDEWALKS AND OUT OF OUR BIKE LANES.
3:27:34PM I'VE HAD EXTENSIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THESE CITY EMPLOYEES
3:27:37PM WHEN I HAVE SEEN THEM OUT ISSUING TICKETS.
3:27:41PM THEY ARE UNDERSTAFFED.
3:27:42PM PARKING DIVISION ALSO GENERATES REVENUE -- ACTUALLY,
3:27:48PM GENERATE A LOT OF REVENUE, SO THEY ARE SELF-FUNDING.
3:27:52PM SO, AGAIN, PLEASE, THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ENFORCING THE
3:27:57PM VIOLATIONS THAT PUT PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS AT RISK
3:28:00PM BECAUSE VEHICLES ARE BLOCKING THE SIDEWALK OR THE BIKE LANE.
3:28:05PM SOMETHING THAT I ALSO WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION WHICH
3:28:09PM REGARDS THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR.
3:28:11PM I WANT TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO SOMETHING REGARDING
3:28:14PM PROPERTY TAXES.
3:28:16PM YOU'VE ALREADY VOTED NOT TO INCREASE THE MILLAGE, SO LET'S
3:28:19PM MAKE SURE THAT THE MILLAGE AS PAID NOW IS FAIR AND ALSO
3:28:23PM BRINGS IN ALL THE FUNDS THAT IT SHOULD BE.
3:28:26PM THE REALITY IS THAT MANY OF THE PROPERTY TAX ESTIMATES DO
3:28:29PM NOT ACCURATELY REFLECT HOME VALUES.
3:28:31PM SOME HOMEOWNERS ARE PAYING LESS THAN THEIR FAIR SHARE AND
3:28:34PM OTHERS ARE PAYING MORE THAN THEIR FAIR SHARE.
3:28:36PM JUST SO YOU KNOW, I'M NOT MAKING THIS UP.
3:28:40PM ALL OF THIS INFORMATION, A GOOD STARTING POINT IS THE
3:28:44PM PROPERTY TAX FAIRNESS PROJECT OUT OF THE UNIVERSITY OF
3:28:48PM CHICAGO.
3:28:49PM SO LET ME SHOW YOU TAMPA.
3:28:55PM IN TAMPA, ACCORDING TO A NATIONAL STUDY, 75% OF THE LOWEST
3:29:02PM VALUE HOMES ARE OVER ASSESSED, 75%.
3:29:06PM AND 30% OF THE HIGHEST VALUE HOMES ARE OVERASSESSED.
3:29:11PM THERE IS A LOT OF INEQUITY, A LOT OF UNFAIRNESS THERE.
3:29:14PM I THINK MOST PEOPLE CAN PROBABLY GUESS WHERE THESE ARE.
3:29:17PM HERE IS THE MAP.
3:29:18PM THE GREEN ONES ARE THE AREAS WHERE HOMES ARE UNDERASSESSED.
3:29:22PM THE RED AREAS ARE WHERE HOME VALUES ARE UNDERASSESSED.
3:29:26PM SO LOWER INCOME HOMEOWNERS ARE PAYING MORE THAN THEIR FAIR
3:29:34PM SHARE.
3:29:34PM HIGHER INCOME OWNERS ARE PAYING LESS THAN THEIR FAIR SHARE.
3:29:37PM THAT'S WHAT WE CALL AN UNJUST SYSTEM.
3:29:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:29:41PM >> ALSO LOSING A LOT OF MONEY.
3:29:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
3:29:43PM NEXT SPEAKER.
3:29:44PM YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
3:29:47PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
3:29:50PM I'M BETTY BELL FROM HIGHLAND PINES AND THE JAZZY SENIORS.
3:29:54PM I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN COMING TO CITY COUNCIL
3:29:59PM FOR MANY YEARS, EVEN DURING THE HARVEY TIME THAT HE WAS HERE
3:30:04PM AND UP UNTIL MR. BOOTHE.
3:30:07PM BUT ON THE WEDNESDAY NIGHT, THE WEDNESDAY NIGHT THAT WE WERE
3:30:10PM AT MIDDLETON, THE LAST ONE, I SPOKE TO OUR COUNTY
3:30:15PM COMMISSIONER AT THAT TIME, NOT COUNTY, BUT CITY COMMISSIONER
3:30:18PM AT THAT TIME.
3:30:19PM AND AT THAT TIME ME AND ANOTHER SENIOR WAS TALKING TO HER,
3:30:24PM SHE MADE A REMARK THAT REALLY, REALLY HAD ME UPSET FOR DAYS.
3:30:29PM AND I WANT TO PUT IT UP SO YOU CAN SEE IT.
3:30:32PM THEN AT THE END OF THE MEETING, AS WE WERE SITTING THERE,
3:30:43PM THE BUILDERS, ONE OF THEM SAID TO US AT THE END OF THE
3:30:47PM MEETING, DO YOU PROMISE TO KEEP THIS BUILDING NICE?
3:30:52PM AND THE PEOPLE, THEY JUST RESPONDED, YAY!
3:30:56PM AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS JUST DISRESPECTFUL.
3:31:00PM ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE DISRESPECTFUL TO THE BLACK PEOPLE IN
3:31:03PM THE COMMUNITY.
3:31:04PM I WANTED THAT TO BE SAID.
3:31:06PM I WANTED PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT.
3:31:08PM I WAS ASKED NOT TO DO IT BY PEOPLE THAT ARE A PART OF
3:31:14PM MS. HENDERSON'S SORORITY.
3:31:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE DO NOT CALL COUNCIL MEMBERS OUT
3:31:19PM BY NAME, MA'AM.
3:31:20PM THANK YOU.
3:31:20PM >> OKAY.
3:31:20PM BUT I HAD TO PUT THIS UP.
3:31:22PM THIS WAS VERY DISRESPECTFUL.
3:31:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:31:26PM >> THANK YOU.
3:31:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
3:31:27PM NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
3:31:31PM >> GOOD EVENING.
3:31:32PM MY NAME IS KELLA McCASKILL.
3:31:35PM LAST WEEK I CAME AND I SHARED WITH YOU WHY I THOUGHT WE
3:31:38PM SHOULD NOT APPROVE THE INCREASE.
3:31:42PM AND I ALSO REQUESTED IN THAT, I ASKED YOU ALL, UNTIL YOU SEE
3:31:46PM AN AUDIT, ONE OF THE REASONS WAS UNTIL YOU SAW AN AUDIT.
3:31:50PM I WANT TO THANK THE STAFF THAT GOT THE AUDIT TO ME.
3:31:52PM I WAS ABLE TO SHARE IT WITH OTHER PEOPLE AS WELL.
3:31:54PM SO WE SAW THAT.
3:31:56PM I'M HERE TODAY, I'M NOT SURE HOW EXACTLY -- I'VE NEVER BEEN
3:31:59PM TO A BUDGET WORKSHOP.
3:32:00PM I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE TWO WORKSHOPS, WHAT WOULD BE THE
3:32:04PM OUTCOME BUT I WANTED TO SHARE THE IMPORTANCE OF THE HOUSING.
3:32:08PM I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU MAKE THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE WITHIN
3:32:10PM YOUR TERM THAT IS AN ONGOING COMMITMENT, NOT JUST THIS YEAR
3:32:14PM AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO REVISIT AND BEG NEXT YEAR, BUT GIVE
3:32:16PM IT A FOUR-YEAR COMMITMENT.
3:32:18PM I THINK THAT MIGHT BE YOUR MAX, FOUR-, FIVE-YEAR COMMITMENT.
3:32:22PM ALSO TOUCH THE PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT FEE.
3:32:24PM I REQUESTED THAT YOU IMPOSE THAT FEE OR FIND A WAY TO DO
3:32:26PM THAT TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE BUDGET.
3:32:28PM AS I THINK ABOUT THESE FIREFIGHTERS, THEY DON'T JUST DO
3:32:30PM THEIR JOBS.
3:32:31PM ON THE WEEKENDS WHEN I'M DOING CLEANUPS, THE POLICE
3:32:34PM OFFICERS, THE FIREFIGHTERS, THEY ARE OUT THERE WORKING LIKE
3:32:36PM A DOG.
3:32:37PM THEY WON'T EVEN ACCEPT ME BUYING THEM A BOTTLE OF WATER AND
3:32:40PM THEY ARE WORKING IN THE SUN.
3:32:41PM I WANT TO SEE THEM GET PAID PROPERLY.
3:32:44PM DON'T WANT TO OVERWORK THEM.
3:32:46PM HOPEFULLY YOU WOULD INCLUDE THAT WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO
3:32:48PM MAINTAIN THEIR BUDGET, FIND WAYS TO HELP WITH THE COSTS.
3:32:52PM THESE BUILDERS HAVE DONE AN AWESOME JOB OF MAKING TAMPA
3:32:55PM GREAT.
3:32:56PM I THINK THEY CAN PAY TO HELP KEEP OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND OUR
3:32:59PM TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT GREAT.
3:33:00PM ALSO HIT SALARIES.
3:33:01PM AS I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS WEEK THE PEOPLE THAT WORK TIRELESSLY
3:33:04PM TO MAKE SURE I GOT THE INFORMATION THAT I REQUESTED, I
3:33:07PM REFLECTED BACK ON SOME NIGHTS I'M HERE AT NIGHT AND I SEE
3:33:10PM THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST IN SOME AREAS IN THE CITY.
3:33:13PM I DON'T WANT TO SEE THEM LOSE, NOT THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO ANY
3:33:17PM OF THEM, BUT I DON'T THINK WE COULD OPERATE THE CITY LOSING
3:33:20PM AN ABBYE FEELEY, WHIT REMER, NICOLE TRAVIS, ALIS DRUMGO.
3:33:29PM IF WE'RE NOT PAYING THEM PROPERLY, I DON'T WANT THEM TO GO
3:33:33PM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
3:33:33PM WE SHOULD LOOK BACK AND MAKE SURE THE SALARIES ARE
3:33:36PM IMPORTANT.
3:33:37PM THEY ARE CRITICAL TO THE CITY AND WHAT MADE US GREAT.
3:33:40PM I ALSO REQUESTED THAT WE COLLABORATE WITH OTHER AREAS AS
3:33:42PM WE'RE LOOKING AT AN INCREASE, PEOPLE ARE DROWNING
3:33:44PM FINANCIALLY.
3:33:45PM SO I SAID TO THE MAYOR AND SAID IT TO YOU ALL, COLLABORATING
3:33:49PM WITH OTHER AREAS THAT'S ALSO RAISING THEIR COSTS, TAMPA
3:33:51PM ELECTRIC, THE WATER DEPARTMENT HAS RESOURCES THEY CAN ASSIST
3:33:54PM PEOPLE WITH, TAMPA ELECTRIC CAN ASSIST PEOPLE.
3:33:57PM I WANTED TO SEE THE LADY THAT CAME BEFORE ME ABOUT THE TAX
3:34:01PM COLLECTOR, SOME PEOPLE ARE PAYING MORE BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T
3:34:04PM TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THE EXEMPTION.
3:34:06PM COMING TOGETHER WITH A RESOURCE THAT CAN EDUCATE PEOPLE ON
3:34:08PM WHERE SAVINGS IS BENEFICIAL AND TAMPA ELECTRIC AGREED TO DO
3:34:13PM THAT FOR ALL ENTITIES AND PUSH IT OUT THERE.
3:34:16PM PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY RESPONDED AND SAID YES.
3:34:19PM I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE AND
3:34:21PM RECONSIDER THAT, FACTOR IN EVERYTHING I SAID AND THAT WILL
3:34:24PM GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
3:34:28PM THANK YOU.
3:34:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:34:28PM NEXT SPEAKER.
3:34:29PM YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
3:34:41PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
3:34:42PM MY NAME IS STEPHANIE POYNOR.
3:34:44PM FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THE 2024
3:34:49PM BUDGET IS DEAD.
3:34:51PM IT NO LONGER LIVES.
3:34:54PM IT IS COMPLETELY GONE.
3:34:56PM SANTA CLAUS IS NOT BRINGING THAT MONEY BACK, THE MILLAGE
3:34:59PM INCREASE.
3:34:59PM I THINK AS MUCH AS I LOVE MY INTERACTION WITH THE
3:35:04PM ADMINISTRATORS FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA AND SOME OF THEM I LIKE
3:35:08PM A LOT AND SOME OF THEM I LOVE, I CAN'T SAY THAT I DISLIKE
3:35:13PM ANY OF THEM, BUT THE MEETING THAT I WAS IN ON FRIDAY WAS
3:35:15PM ABSOLUTELY EMBARRASSING THAT NOT ONE ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE
3:35:19PM CITY OF TAMPA COULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO CUT THEIR BUDGET BY
3:35:23PM $1.
3:35:24PM THAT WAS EMBARRASSING.
3:35:25PM A BUNCH OF FOLKS WHO MAKE THE TOP DOLLAR FOR THE CITY OF
3:35:29PM TAMPA COULD NOT SACRIFICE $1 OUT OF THEIR BUDGET.
3:35:33PM IT'S EMBARRASSING.
3:35:34PM WHO TOLD THEM THAT?
3:35:36PM BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT GROUP OF VERY, VERY INTELLIGENT
3:35:39PM PEOPLE MUST HAVE BEEN ORDERED TO DO IT.
3:35:41PM SO YOU DO THE MATH.
3:35:42PM I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THIS WORKS AGAINST WHAT YOU
3:35:48PM HAVE TO DO TODAY.
3:35:51PM EVERY SMART PERSON IN HERE ABOUT THEIR PARTICULAR AREA
3:35:54PM SHOULD BE ABLE TO PRODUCE WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO CUT THE
3:35:58PM BUDGET, PERIOD.
3:35:59PM I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF THE VACANCY REPORTS HAVE BEEN
3:36:02PM PROVIDED TO COUNCIL BECAUSE THEY WERE FROZEN WHEN THE BUDGET
3:36:06PM STARTED.
3:36:07PM WHERE ARE THEY?
3:36:08PM EACH DEPARTMENT HAS THEIR OWN VACANCY REPORT AND THEY HAVE
3:36:11PM NOT DONE ANYTHING WITH IT SINCE THEN.
3:36:13PM I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO ASK AND I'M GOING TO ASK THIS AGAIN.
3:36:17PM I'VE ASKED IT ON E-MAIL, HOW MUCH IS THE CITY OBLIGATED TO
3:36:22PM PAY IN BUDGET -- IN PAYROLL INCREASE ACCORDING TO THE UNION
3:36:26PM CONTRACT?
3:36:27PM HOW MUCH IS THAT?
3:36:27PM YOU CAN'T MAKE A DECISION ABOUT NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET UNTIL YOU
3:36:31PM KNOW THAT INFORMATION.
3:36:33PM ANYBODY WHO SAYS ANY DIFFERENTLY IS TELLING A STORY.
3:36:37PM I HAVE A COUPLE OF ISSUES, AND I DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THE
3:36:40PM ROAD OF DEFUNDING THE POLICE OR I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE
3:36:43PM POLICE DEPARTMENT.
3:36:44PM BUT HERE'S MY ISSUE.
3:36:47PM WHEN I LOOK AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THIS IS FROM THE WISH
3:36:52PM LIST THAT YOU GUYS WERE PROVIDED EARLIER THIS -- THIS
3:36:55PM WEEKEND.
3:36:55PM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS A $3.4 MILLION INCREASE IN
3:37:06PM SALARIES, JUST SALARIES.
3:37:07PM NOW, SOME OF THAT MAY BE GRANT RELATED.
3:37:09PM SOME OF IT MAY NOT BE.
3:37:10PM BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT EVERYTHING ELSE ON HERE AND $54 MILLION
3:37:17PM OF THE FY '24 BUDGET, WHICH IS MORE THAN THE TAX INCREASE
3:37:21PM WOULD HAVE BEEN, WAS PAYROLL.
3:37:22PM YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THE INFORMATION TO MAKE A LOGICAL
3:37:26PM DECISION.
3:37:26PM AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT PAL SHOULD BE UNDER THE POLICE
3:37:29PM UMBRELLA.
3:37:30PM POLICE SHOULD HAVE THEIR OWN UMBRELLA AND THEN THERE SHOULD
3:37:33PM BE A LITTLE UMBRELLA FOR THE KIDS.
3:37:35PM BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE NEXT POLICE CHIEF OR THE NEXT
3:37:38PM MAYOR DON'T THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
3:37:40PM YOU CANNOT DEFUND THE POLICE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
3:37:43PM IT'S AGAINST STATE STATUTE.
3:37:45PM PLEASE LOOK AT THE PARKING STATUTE I GAVE YOU.
3:37:47PM WE CAN SPEND MONEY FROM THAT DEPARTMENT ON PAINTING AND
3:37:50PM SIDEWALKS.
3:37:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT SPEAKER.
3:37:52PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
3:37:57PM >> HELLO, COUNCIL.
3:37:58PM ROBIN LOCKETT.
3:38:00PM THIS WILL BE QUICK.
3:38:01PM SO REOCCURRING, REOCCURRING, REOCCURRING.
3:38:06PM HOUSING.
3:38:06PM THERE IS A HOUSING CRISIS.
3:38:08PM REOCCURRING.
3:38:09PM IF YOU HAVE THE EXPERT WHO YOU GUYS PAY SOMEWHAT GOOD MONEY,
3:38:13PM NICOLE TRAVIS INDICATING THAT, HEY, SHE'S TOLD YOU GUYS THAT
3:38:17PM IN ORDER FOR HER TO MOVE HOUSING FORWARD, SHE NEEDS
3:38:21PM REOCCURRING FUNDS.
3:38:22PM AND EVERYBODY BASED ON THE LAST MEETING SAID HOUSING IS A
3:38:27PM PRIORITY.
3:38:27PM I'M NOT THINKING -- UNFORTUNATELY, I'M NOT THINKING ABOUT
3:38:33PM ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT OTHER THAN HOUSING.
3:38:35PM ONCE HOUSING IS SET STRAIGHT, THEN WE MOVE FORWARD.
3:38:38PM THERE IS A HOUSING CRISIS.
3:38:39PM SO IN REGARDS TO PUTTING MONEY IN A BUDGET ONE TIME, IF
3:38:45PM SHE'S SAYING SHE NEEDS REOCCURRING FUNDS, GIVE HER
3:38:48PM REOCCURRING FUNDS, GIVE HER WHAT SHE NEEDS BECAUSE THIS, YOU
3:38:51PM HEAR PEOPLE COMING IN SAYING THAT, HEY, I DON'T WANT TO BE
3:38:54PM HOMELESS.
3:38:54PM AND PEOPLE ARE STILL BEING EVICTED.
3:38:57PM YOU WANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THAT'S A BIG WORD, RIGHT?
3:39:03PM DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE.
3:39:05PM YOU GUYS NEED TEMPORARY HOUSING.
3:39:08PM THAT'S A NEED IN TAMPA.
3:39:10PM FOUND OUT DURING THE LAST MEETING THAT WE DON'T HAVE ONE.
3:39:13PM SO REOCCURRING, REOCCURRING, REOCCURRING.
3:39:15PM WITH THIS BUDGET, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME REALLY BEING AT A
3:39:19PM BUDGET WORKSHOP, SO I'M LEARNING A LOT.
3:39:21PM AND I'M LEARNING THAT BOTH SIDES, YOU GUYS HAVE TO COME INTO
3:39:25PM THE MIDDLE, THAT IS CITY COUNCIL, THAT IS THE
3:39:29PM ADMINISTRATION, COME INTO THE MIDDLE BECAUSE WHO IS
3:39:31PM SUFFERING?
3:39:31PM PEOPLE.
3:39:32PM PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING.
3:39:34PM SO WE NEED FOR YOU ALL TO PUT DOWN YOUR SWORDS, PULL YOUR
3:39:41PM SLEEVES UP, MAKE THIS WORK.
3:39:43PM IF THERE'S MONEY TO BE FOUND, FIND IT FOR HOUSING FIRST, AND
3:39:49PM THEN MOVE INTO EVERYBODY ELSE.
3:39:51PM BUT REOCCURRING AND LET'S GET THIS DONE.
3:39:54PM IT WAS SAID THAT IT CAN BE DONE.
3:39:56PM LET'S GET IT DONE, AND LET'S MOVE TAMPA FORWARD.
3:39:59PM THANK YOU.
3:40:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:40:01PM DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC
3:40:04PM COMMENT AT THIS TIME?
3:40:04PM MR. ROBINSON.
3:40:06PM YES, SIR.
3:40:09PM >> JOE ROBINSON.
3:40:11PM NEEDS VERSUS WANTS.
3:40:13PM IF YOU PLAN ON RUNNING FOR MAYOR IN 2027 OR 2028, PLEASE BE
3:40:20PM AWARE THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING RECORDED FOR FUTURE USE.
3:40:23PM NOW THAT THE MILLAGE HAS BEEN SET, IT IS TIME TO BALANCE THE
3:40:29PM BUDGET.
3:40:29PM PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT THE PUBLIC WILL BE WATCHING THIS
3:40:34PM BALANCING ACT AND HOPE -- AND HOPE THAT IT IS A FAIR AND
3:40:38PM EQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION OF CUTS, POOR AND SLUM AND BLIGHTED
3:40:44PM AREAS DO NOT NEED MORE CUTS.
3:40:46PM BLACK AND LATINO AREAS DO NOT NEED MORE CUTS.
3:40:48PM FAIR OAKS DO NOT NEED TO BE CUT.
3:40:53PM REY PARK IN WEST TAMPA DO NOT NEED TO BE CUT.
3:40:56PM SALCINES PARK IN WEST TAMPA DO NOT NEED TO BE CUT.
3:41:00PM CRA FUNDS ARE OFF THE MARKET, OFF THE TABLE.
3:41:03PM THE FEDS GOING TO BE IN HERE.
3:41:05PM LET'S MOVE ON.
3:41:06PM YOU MISS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT
3:41:12PM YOU COULD HAVE SAVED BY NOT FUNDING A HUNDRED THOUSAND FOR
3:41:17PM MARKETING AND MEDIA FOR YBOR CITY CRA.
3:41:21PM A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS BECAUSE YOU HAVE EXISTING
3:41:23PM CONTRACT.
3:41:24PM YOU MISSED THAT.
3:41:24PM YOU SHOULD HAVE DENIED THAT.
3:41:27PM HOW YOU ALL MISS HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS YOU COULD HAVE
3:41:31PM SAVED ON CRA LAST WEEK.
3:41:34PM WHEN CUTTING THIS PERSONNEL, THERE SHOULD BE NO FAVORITISM,
3:41:41PM NO NEPOTISM, NO CRONYISM, AND NO DISCRIMINATION.
3:41:47PM THERE WILL BE SOME JUSTICE GOING ON AROUND IN THERE.
3:41:51PM WHEN MAKING THE CUTS, MAKE SURE NOT DISCRIMINATING AGAINST
3:41:55PM BLACK, HISPANIC, MINORITIES OR ANYBODY ELSE IN THESE CUTS.
3:41:58PM MAKE SURE THAT THE SLUM AND BLIGHTED AREAS, AND YOU KNOW WHO
3:42:02PM THEY ARE, YOU KNOW WHERE THEY ARE AT, DO NOT GET THE HATCHET
3:42:05PM LIKE THE RICH AREAS.
3:42:07PM I'LL TELL YOU THAT.
3:42:08PM IF YOU'RE RUNNING FOR MAYOR ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS BEING
3:42:11PM RECORDED.
3:42:12PM THAT WAS MY LAST MINUTE, NOW THAT WE GOT THE BUSINESS OUT OF
3:42:16PM THE WAY.
3:42:18PM LISTEN, THIS IS NOT EASY TO DO.
3:42:20PM IF IT WAS EASY -- 40 MILLION.
3:42:27PM IF IT'S EASY, AS A MATTER OF FACT, LOWER FROM 6.2 DOWN TO
3:42:30PM 5.2.
3:42:31PM HOW BOLD ARE YOU UP THERE?
3:42:34PM THAT'S SUICIDE, ISN'T IT?
3:42:36PM IF YOU REALLY WANT TO DO SOMETHING, LOWER IT DOWN MORE.
3:42:40PM CAN'T RAISE IT.
3:42:41PM LOWER IT DOWN.
3:42:42PM LET ME SEE SOME REAL GUTS.
3:42:44PM LET ME SEE SOME REAL GRIT, IF YOU ARE REALLY BAD UP THERE,
3:42:48PM LOWER THE MILL ANOTHER MILL.
3:42:49PM YOU WON'T TOUCH IT, YOU KNOW WHY, BECAUSE IT DIDN'T MAKE
3:42:53PM SENSE TO START WITH A LOW NUMBER TO BEGIN WITH.
3:42:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:42:57PM DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
3:42:59PM AT THIS TIME, I'LL GO TO COUNCIL MEMBERS, IF THEY WISH TO
3:43:03PM GIVE ANY OPENING COMMENTS.
3:43:04PM I'LL START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA AND WE'LL GO DOWN THE
3:43:06PM LINE.
3:43:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. CHAIRMAN, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO
3:43:08PM THE PUBLIC FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING.
3:43:11PM THANK EACH COUNCIL MEMBER FOR THE WAY THEY VOTED.
3:43:14PM THAT'S HOW THEY FEEL AND THEY ARE ENTITLED TO THAT.
3:43:18PM THANKS TO THE ADMINISTRATION.
3:43:18PM THIS IS NOT THE DAY TO MAKE FRIENDS OR TO MAKE ENEMIES.
3:43:22PM WE'RE HERE ALL TO VOTE ON WHAT WE BELIEVE ARE THE BEST STEPS
3:43:25PM TO MAKE THE CITY GO FORWARD.
3:43:27PM WHEN YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF 2015 THROUGH
3:43:31PM 2019 OR SO OR '20, WE HAD TO REDUCE STAFF BY 703 PEOPLE I
3:43:37PM BELIEVE IT WAS.
3:43:38PM IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT.
3:43:39PM WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR THAT TODAY.
3:43:40PM I HOPE NOT ANYWAY.
3:43:42PM WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE THE CITY PROSPEROUS AND CONTINUE TO
3:43:45PM GROW FORWARD.
3:43:46PM STATISTICS SAY THAT WE HAVE AN AVERAGE OF 150 PEOPLE A DAY
3:43:50PM MOVING TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
3:43:51PM EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE SAID UP THERE IS A NECESSITY.
3:43:54PM BUT WITH THAT NECESSITY COMES RESPONSIBILITY AND THE
3:43:57PM OPPORTUNITY.
3:43:59PM WHEN YOU HAVE OPPORTUNITY, YOU ALWAYS HAVE NECESSITY.
3:44:01PM WHEN YOU HAVE NECESSITY, YOU MAY FIND OPPORTUNITIES.
3:44:04PM AND PEOPLE ARE MOVING HERE NOT BECAUSE THE SEVEN OF US OR
3:44:07PM THE EIGHT OF US ARE ELECTED, NOT BECAUSE YOU LIVE HERE.
3:44:10PM THEY THINK THIS IS A PLACE TO LIVE AND FOR MANY, MANY TIMES,
3:44:14PM AND THIS PLACE GOT TO THE PLACE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA BECAUSE
3:44:17PM NOT ONLY ONE MAYOR BUT EVERY MAYOR WHO SERVED HERE, WHETHER
3:44:20PM THEY HAD FUNDS, SOME HAD FOUR YEARS OF NOTHING AND THEY HAD
3:44:24PM TO SUFFER THROUGH MAKING THE CUTS.
3:44:26PM I ADMIRE ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE IN THE PAST AND THE
3:44:29PM FIVE MAYORS I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY OF WORKING WITH.
3:44:31PM BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT NOTHING IS EASY.
3:44:34PM IF IT WAS EASY, SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD BE DOING IT.
3:44:39PM ALL OF US WOULD BE DOING IT.
3:44:41PM WHEN IT GETS TO THE NITTY-GRITTY, IT'S WHERE WE ALL HAVE TO
3:44:45PM COME TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY CONTINUES TO MOVE
3:44:47PM FORWARD.
3:44:47PM IS THERE A NEED IN PUBLIC SERVICE?
3:44:49PM THERE CERTAINLY IS.
3:44:51PM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT NEEDS.
3:44:54PM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT NEEDS.
3:44:55PM CONSTRUCTION NEEDS.
3:45:01PM SO HAPPENS I WAS CLEANING OUT A CLOSET AND I SAW THE '15
3:45:04PM BUDGET OF CITY OF TAMPA, $893 MILLION.
3:45:06PM GUESS WHAT, THAT WAS IN 2015.
3:45:13PM SO EIGHT YEARS, GONE UP FROM 893 TO ALMOST 2 BILLION.
3:45:20PM SOUNDS LIKE A LOT, BUT THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE EXPENSES
3:45:24PM AND THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE MOVED IN, IT'S COMPARABLE.
3:45:27PM IT'S NOT JUST A DOLLAR SIGN OR SOMETHING THAT WISH TO HAVE
3:45:31PM SO YOU CAN DO SOMETHING BETTER, BUT LOOK AT WHERE WE HAVE
3:45:34PM BEEN AND LOOK HOW WE COME BACK.
3:45:35PM I REMEMBER WHEN YOU LEFT THE CHAMBERS, I DON'T CARE WHAT
3:45:38PM TIME OF THE EVENING OR AFTERNOON, THERE WAS NO ONE WALKING
3:45:40PM IN THE CITY DOWNTOWN BECAUSE THERE WAS NO ONE LIVING
3:45:43PM DOWNTOWN.
3:45:43PM THEY HAD 600 PEOPLE IN THE JAIL HOUSE AND THAT WAS IT.
3:45:47PM SO NOW WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND AND YOU SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING,
3:45:51PM WHEN YOU LOOK TO THE EAST AND YOU GO TO WATERFRONT, WHAT WAS
3:45:55PM THAT BEFORE?
3:45:56PM NOTHING BUT WAREHOUSES PUT SHRIMP AND STUFF.
3:46:00PM IN THE RESTAURANT BUSINESS, GO TO YOUR LOT, PULL THEM OUT
3:46:03PM AND GO ON.
3:46:04PM YOU HAD COCA-COLA PLANT.
3:46:07PM YOU HAD BANANA SHIPS THAT THE RATS WERE BIGGER THAN THE
3:46:10PM CATS.
3:46:10PM THAT'S WHY HAD NO CATS AROUND THERE.
3:46:12PM ALL THAT'S GONE.
3:46:15PM THE AQUARIUM THIS YEAR IS DUE TO HANDLE 1 MILLION PEOPLE
3:46:25PM ATTENDING THAT FACILITY.
3:46:26PM WHY?
3:46:26PM BECAUSE THEY HAVE DISCOVERED WHAT YOU AND I HAVE KNOWN A
3:46:31PM LONG TIME AND WE KEPT IT QUIET FOR A WHILE.
3:46:34PM SOMEHOW THE WHISPER WENT OUT THAT TAMPA IS THE PLACE TO BE.
3:46:38PM STILL RANKED ONE OF THE TOP CITIES FOR RELOCATION IN EVERY
3:46:42PM CATEGORY.
3:46:42PM I REMEMBER LOOKING AT THE STATISTICS AND I BELIEVE IT WAS
3:46:45PM 2015 OR 2016, 11,000, OVER 11,000 CARS STOLEN IN THE CITY OF
3:46:52PM TAMPA.
3:46:53PM IT TOOK ABOUT SIX YEARS AND WE GOT THAT DOWN TO JUST ABOUT
3:46:58PM 450.
3:46:59PM ZERO WOULD BE THE BEST ONE, BUT I'M ASKING ALL OF US TO
3:47:04PM STICK TOGETHER WHETHER YOU LIKE US OR DON'T LIKE US, TRY TO
3:47:07PM BE THE BEST FOR YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND HELP YOUR FRIENDS OUT.
3:47:10PM TRY TO HELP THOSE WHO DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE.
3:47:13PM TRY TO HELP THOSE WHO CAN'T EAT FINE FOOD.
3:47:16PM WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN.
3:47:18PM WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS TO DO BUSINESS.
3:47:20PM ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAD ALL THESE DIFFERENT KINDS OF THINGS,
3:47:22PM PRIORITIES HIT US.
3:47:23PM NOW WE'RE IN THE SAME STORM THAT EVERYBODY IS IN.
3:47:26PM THE DOLLARS TODAY, MATCH THE DOLLARS OF YESTERDAY, JUST
3:47:31PM INCREASE IN COST IS THE DIFFERENCE.
3:47:32PM WE'RE HERE TO DO WHAT WE CAN DO TO CONTINUE TO MOVE THE CITY
3:47:35PM FORWARD AND THAT'S NOT EASY.
3:47:37PM WITH YOUR HELP AND CONSCIOUSNESS, THE CRAs, I APPRECIATE
3:47:40PM EVERYTHING YOU ALL HAVE DONE.
3:47:42PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING WHO YOU ARE.
3:47:44PM GOD BLESS YOU.
3:47:44PM >> THANK YOU.
3:47:45PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:47:46PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
3:47:48PM I WANTED TO THANK A LOT OF FOLKS, EVERYBODY HERE WHO HAS
3:47:52PM GIVEN THOUGHTS AND GIVEN THOUGHTS BEFORE.
3:47:54PM I TRIED TO RESPOND TO EVERY SINGLE E-MAIL.
3:47:57PM I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
3:47:58PM I ALSO WANTED TO THANK STAFF FOR THEIR WORK.
3:48:00PM IT IS A LOT OF DIFFICULT BACK AND FORTH AND WHATNOT AND
3:48:04PM WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE ARE PLEASED WITH THE RESULTS, WHETHER
3:48:06PM WE ARE AS COUNCIL OR OTHER FOLKS, JUST A LOT OF HARD WORK
3:48:09PM THAT'S BEEN GOING AROUND.
3:48:11PM I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
3:48:13PM ONE OF THE SAYINGS I ALWAYS USE IN MY POLITICAL LIFE IS I
3:48:17PM TRY NOT TO WRITE POLITICAL CHECKS THAT I CAN'T CASH.
3:48:21PM I ALWAYS DO THAT.
3:48:22PM THAT'S WHY I DID WHAT WE DID IN OUR LAST MEETING OR MEETING
3:48:25PM BEFORE LAST, IT ALL JUMBLES TOGETHER ON THE BUDGET AND
3:48:29PM PROPOSING WHAT I DID.
3:48:30PM I THINK WE GOT TO START WITH THE PRINCIPLE THAT THE MAYOR'S
3:48:34PM TAX INCREASE, THE 1.0 MILLAGE SOUGHT, I THINK ABOUT $48
3:48:37PM MILLION IN ADDITIONAL SPENDING.
3:48:39PM AND I OPPOSE THAT, BY THE WAY.
3:48:41PM OPPOSE THE FULL TAX.
3:48:42PM BUT WITHOUT THAT, RIGHT, MATHEMATICALLY, WE HAVE NOTHING
3:48:49PM THAT'S GOING TO BE FUNDING THAT PROPOSED SPENDING.
3:48:52PM SO WE HAVE TO FIND REPLACEMENTS FOR THAT.
3:48:56PM WHAT I SOUGHT TO DO RIGHT IN THAT .3 MILLAGE WAS TO HAVE
3:49:02PM SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DEDICATED TO PUBLIC SAFETY.
3:49:05PM AND SOME OF THOSE PUBLIC SAFETY PROPOSALS THAT WERE
3:49:07PM IDENTIFIED IN THE MAYOR'S BUDGET HAVE SOME FUNDS LEFT OVER
3:49:11PM SO THAT WE COULD TALK ABOUT CUTS AND BEGIN WITH ISSUES LIKE
3:49:14PM HOUSING FIRST.
3:49:16PM NOW WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMPETING INTERESTS, ALL OF
3:49:20PM WHICH ARE VERY CRITICAL THAT ARE GOING TO COMPETE FOR THE
3:49:23PM FUNDS THAT WE SAVE FROM THE CUTS.
3:49:27PM SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO.
3:49:29PM IS IT EASY AND POLITICALLY EASY TO TRY TO FIND A NUANCE IN
3:49:32PM SOMETHING LIKE THIS WHERE, LIKE I SAID, WITH RESPECT TO THE
3:49:35PM ADMINISTRATION, I BELIEVE THAT THE WELL HAD BEEN POISONED
3:49:40PM BECAUSE OF THE LARGE TAX INCREASE SOUGHT, IT'S NOT.
3:49:43PM BUT IN MY OPINION, IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO IN THAT
3:49:47PM REGARD.
3:49:47PM SO LIKE I SAID, I WANT TO WORK WITH MY COLLEAGUES HERE ON
3:49:50PM TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, ALL OF WHOM HAVE WORKED VERY, VERY HARD,
3:49:54PM AND I SALUTE THAT WORK AND WHATNOT.
3:49:57PM THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT I'LL SAY YES TO AND CERTAIN
3:49:59PM THINGS THAT I'LL SAY NO TO.
3:50:01PM I'LL SAY YES TO SENSIBLE CUTS.
3:50:04PM I'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE TAKING A LOOK AT THE COST-OF-LIVING
3:50:07PM ADJUSTMENTS OF NONUNION WORKERS WITH WHOM WE DON'T HAVE A
3:50:10PM CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED FUTURE WAGE, PARTICULARLY THOSE
3:50:15PM EARNING OVER $150,000.
3:50:17PM I KNOW THAT COST-OF-LIVING ADJUSTMENTS SOMETIMES ARE REDUCED
3:50:20PM BY THE ADMINISTRATION AFTER THEY ARE BUDGETED FOR,
3:50:23PM ET CETERA.
3:50:23PM WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT THAT.
3:50:24PM I COUNTED - AND, AGAIN, MY MATH MAY BE WRONG -- $15 MILLION
3:50:27PM OF EMPLOYEES HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA WHO EARN OVER A
3:50:33PM HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS.
3:50:34PM THAT'S A LOT TO LOOK AT.
3:50:34PM NOT FOR CUTS, RIGHT, BUT TAKING A LOOK AT THE COST-OF-LIVING
3:50:36PM ADJUSTMENTS AND WHATNOT.
3:50:39PM I THINK THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT.
3:50:40PM WE LOOK AT PAST SPENDING, SOMETHING I'VE BEEN VERY CLEAR IN,
3:50:44PM WE, AND I INCLUDE MYSELF IN THAT REGARD, ARE ALL GUILTY OF
3:50:48PM THE SPENDING CHALLENGES.
3:50:49PM WHEN WE GO, OH, IT'S THE ADMINISTRATION, WE VOTED FOR ALL
3:50:53PM THAT, RIGHT?
3:50:54PM THE VAST MAJORITY OF THINGS.
3:50:56PM MYSELF INCLUDED.
3:50:57PM AGAIN, I WAS A CRITIC OF THE FULL TAX, BUT I LIKE TO BE FAIR
3:51:02PM AND WHATNOT AND NOT POLITICIZE THINGS, ET CETERA.
3:51:06PM THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I WILL BE HESITANT TO SAY NO TO
3:51:09PM OR YES TO IF NOT FULLY OPPOSED.
3:51:13PM I THINK THERE SHOULD BE GREAT SCRUTINY APPLIED TO CERTAIN
3:51:17PM FEES IN PARKS.
3:51:19PM WHEN WE DON'T LOOK AT EVEN A MINOR 3% MILLAGE INCREASE AND
3:51:22PM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING FEES IN PARKS THAT EVERYDAY
3:51:26PM WORKING FAMILIES USE, WE OUGHT TO APPLY SCRUTINY AND
3:51:29PM CYNICISM TO THAT.
3:51:30PM WHEN WE LOOK AT BACK DOOR TAXES, WE OUGHT TO APPLY SOME REAL
3:51:35PM SCRUTINY TO THAT.
3:51:36PM I THINK WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH VERY CLEAR PATHWAYS TO GET
3:51:40PM DONE WHAT WE WANT TO GET DONE.
3:51:42PM FOR EXAMPLE, I TALKED ABOUT FIRE STATIONS.
3:51:46PM FIRE STATION 24, AND, BY THE WAY, I ALSO PRINTED OUT, I WANT
3:51:49PM TO MAKE CLEAR THAT OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, I THINK I'VE
3:51:54PM MOTIONED FIVE TIMES TO TALK ABOUT STATIONS, INCLUDING FIRE
3:51:57PM STATION 24 WHERE IT WAS ORIGINALLY MOVED IN THE
3:52:00PM ADMINISTRATION'S PLAN FROM NEW TAMPA TO NORTH TAMPA,
3:52:02PM ET CETERA.
3:52:03PM SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN LOOKING AT
3:52:07PM BECAUSE I SEE TAMPA FIRE MOTION EVERY SIX MINUTES AND ABOUT
3:52:12PM FIVE OF THEM.
3:52:13PM BUT WE NEED TO CREATE A PATH.
3:52:15PM THAT'S WHY I TALKED ABOUT BONDING.
3:52:17PM IF WE CAN'T LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE A MILLAGE RATE INCREASE
3:52:21PM TO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR FIRE STATIONS AND POLICE NEEDS, THEN I
3:52:26PM WANT TO LOOK AT OTHER ALTERNATIVES.
3:52:28PM I SUPPORT A PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT FEE.
3:52:31PM I STRONGLY DO.
3:52:32PM HOWEVER, I WOULD CAUTION THE PUBLIC, THAT IS HALF A
3:52:35PM McNUGGET.
3:52:36PM NOT A McRIB.
3:52:38PM GOT BLESS THE McNUGGETS BUT NOT A McRIB.
3:52:41PM WE NEED TO LOOK AT A McRIB FOR FUNDING PUBLIC SAFETY.
3:52:44PM THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
3:52:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
3:52:47PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
3:52:48PM GOOD AFTERNOON, PUBLIC.
3:52:50PM FIRST OF ALL, LET ME JUST ADDRESS THE FACT THAT I AM
3:52:54PM DEFINITELY A DAUGHTER AND I'M ALSO A MOTHER.
3:52:56PM SO THE WORD NEGRO IS USED IN A FRIENDLY TONE SOMETIMES AND
3:53:01PM BLACK PEOPLE ACTUALLY KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.
3:53:03PM IF I OFFENDED ANYBODY USING THAT, I DO APOLOGIZE.
3:53:06PM ONE THING I CAN SAY FOR SURE IS I'M DEFINITELY TRYING TO
3:53:08PM SAVE YOUR PROJECT AND THAT IS CALLED FAIR OAKS PARK.
3:53:12PM IT WAS DONE WITH LOVE, BUT I DO APOLOGIZE IF IT OFFENDED
3:53:15PM YOU.
3:53:16PM I HAVE NO PROBLEM SAYING THAT PUBLICLY ON THE DAIS.
3:53:19PM THE REASON WHY I VOTED FOR THE MILLAGE INCREASE IS BECAUSE
3:53:23PM IT PROVIDES YOU WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION
3:53:27PM LIKE THE WORKSHOP TODAY.
3:53:28PM IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A MILL.
3:53:29PM IT COULD GO DOWN.
3:53:30PM BUT BECAUSE OF THE WAY WE VOTED 4-3, IT CAN'T GO UP.
3:53:33PM THAT'S ONE THING FOR SURE AND THE CITY STILL HAS NEEDS AND
3:53:37PM EVERYONE I BELIEVE IN THIS ROOM CAN ACTUALLY ADMIT THAT.
3:53:40PM SO I'M COMING FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE THAN MOST COUNCIL
3:53:43PM MEMBERS MAYBE BECAUSE I'M AN EDUCATOR.
3:53:45PM I'M A SINGLE PARENT AND I'M A CAREGIVER.
3:53:47PM I'M NOT A POLITICIAN.
3:53:49PM SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IF THIS IS THE FIRST AND LAST
3:53:53PM ELECTION, THEN SO BE IT.
3:53:54PM EVERY DECISION I MAKE I'M GOING TO STAND BY IT AND I'M GOING
3:53:57PM TO LIVE BY IT.
3:53:59PM THE CITY OF TAMPA MISSION STATEMENT SAYS IT IS TO DELIVER
3:54:02PM OUTSTANDING SERVICES THAT ENHANCES THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND
3:54:05PM FOSTER A MORE SUSTAINABLE AND LIVABLE CITY.
3:54:10PM I UNDERSTAND THAT COUNCIL CAN'T TAKE ANY FORMAL ACTION
3:54:13PM TODAY, BUT I AM REQUESTING THAT COUNCIL TAKE A NONBINDING
3:54:16PM STRAW VOTE, IF YOU WILL, TO SEE IF THERE IS CONSENSUS TODAY
3:54:20PM THAT WOULD SUPPORT THE ADOPTION OF THE BUDGET FOR THE 2024
3:54:23PM FISCAL YEAR THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE BUDGET PRESENTATION
3:54:26PM BY THE PLAYER AND STAFF, THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE BUDGET
3:54:30PM PRESENTED BUT DELETING -- DELETING THE ADDITIONAL
3:54:34PM EXPENDITURES PROPOSED THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PAID WITH, WITH
3:54:40PM THE ADDITIONAL MILLAGE THAT THE BODY VOTED DOWN 4-3.
3:54:43PM THIS GOES BACK TO THE MISSION THAT OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE
3:54:46PM ACTUALLY WILL REMAIN THE SAME.
3:54:47PM WE JUST WON'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO THE THINGS THAT WAS
3:54:50PM PROPOSED.
3:54:51PM I DID IT TO SUPPORT THE CONVERSATION, AND I THINK THAT
3:54:58PM THAT'S IMPORTANT.
3:54:59PM THE CUTS WOULD MEAN, WITH WHAT WAS PRESENTED BY THE STAFF
3:55:03PM MEANS THAT THERE IS NO LONGER $17.8 MILLION FOR
3:55:07PM TRANSPORTATION.
3:55:08PM THERE'S NO LONGER $9.5 MILLION FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
3:55:11PM THAT'S FIRE RESCUE AND POLICE.
3:55:13PM NO LONGER 8.6 FOR PARKS AND REC.
3:55:16PM SADLY, ALTHOUGH A LOT OF PEOPLE CAME TO COUNCIL AND TALKED
3:55:19PM ABOUT IT, NOT JUST LAST WEEK, BUT ALL THE TIME, THERE IS NOT
3:55:23PM 9.1 MILLION FOR HOUSING THAT MANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY
3:55:28PM THEY ARE BEGGING FOR IT.
3:55:29PM SADLY, THIS ALSO INCLUDES THAT THERE'S NO IMPROVEMENT, ROOM
3:55:33PM FOR IMPROVEMENT IN TECHNOLOGY.
3:55:35PM I HAPPEN TO BE A TECHNOLOGY EDUCATOR.
3:55:37PM WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD.
3:55:39PM THAT HURTS US WHEN WE DON'T IMPROVE OUR TECHNOLOGY, BUT
3:55:42PM THAT'S ALSO ON THE CHOPPING BOARD.
3:55:44PM EVERY LETTER THAT I GOT WAS AGAINST THE MILLAGE EXCEPT VERY
3:55:48PM FEW.
3:55:49PM AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
3:55:50PM ASKING US TO DO MORE IS PAINFUL.
3:55:53PM TECO DID IT TO US THE MONTH OF JULY AND IT WAS VERY PAINFUL
3:55:56PM FOR ALL OF US.
3:55:58PM GUESS WHAT, THE CITY'S LIGHT BILL WENT UP, TOO.
3:56:00PM THE CITY'S LIGHT BILL WENT UP.
3:56:02PM I HAD TO PAY AN EXTRA $300 IN UTILITIES, SO WE NEED A
3:56:06PM CONSERVATION ENERGY PLAN.
3:56:08PM WE SHOULD CUT OUT THE LIGHTS RIGHT NOW.
3:56:11PM ANYWAY, PLEASE KNOW THAT ELIMINATING THE ADDITIONAL REVENUE
3:56:13PM IS A REALITY, BUT THAT DOES NOT ELIMINATE THE EXPENSES.
3:56:17PM THAT'S JUST THE BOTTOM LINE.
3:56:19PM EVERYBODY HAS TO SPEND MORE MONEY ON EXPENSES.
3:56:21PM THE OTHER THING, LOOK, I ACTUALLY SAVED PAPER.
3:56:26PM I PRINTED TWO SIDED.
3:56:28PM BUT NEVERTHELESS, THE CITY IS NOT EXEMPT FROM THESE
3:56:31PM INCREASES.
3:56:32PM IN FACT, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS, THERE IS A 40% INCREASE
3:56:35PM IN A VARIETY OF PLACES AND WITHIN DEPARTMENTS AND THAT
3:56:38PM ACTUALLY COULD ALREADY USE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT.
3:56:41PM IN OTHER WORDS, I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK WITH OUR BUDGET
3:56:43PM RIGHT NOW WITHOUT A MILLAGE INCREASE, THERE ARE STAFF
3:56:46PM MEMBERS DOING WITHOUT AND MAKING THINGS WORK.
3:56:48PM THAT'S JUST THE BOTTOM LINE.
3:56:50PM THE LAWYER THAT WAS ON THE MAYOR'S BUDGET, THE ADVISOR THAT
3:56:52PM WAS ON HER BUDGET LINE, THAT ACTUALLY CAME FROM THE LAW
3:56:56PM DEPARTMENT.
3:56:57PM THAT WAS AN FTE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
3:56:58PM THEY JUST MOVED IT OVER BECAUSE OUR DEPARTMENTS NEED TO BE
3:57:00PM ABLE TO COMMUNICATE AND THOSE LEGAL MATTERS THAT COME INTO
3:57:05PM PLAY ARE IMPORTANT.
3:57:06PM BUT YOU HAVE TO ASK THE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS TO FIND OUT
3:57:08PM INFORMATION LIKE THAT.
3:57:09PM HERE'S THE THING, THERE WERE RECEIPTS GIVEN TO YOU LAST
3:57:14PM WEEK.
3:57:16PM AND THE MATH WAS WRONG.
3:57:17PM WE HAVE TO CUT THE BUDGET BY $45 MILLION.
3:57:20PM I HAVE INVOICES FOR YOU.
3:57:22PM INVOICES.
3:57:23PM WE STILL HAVE A SUMMER PROGRAM.
3:57:25PM THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO DO THAT, BUT I WANT SUMMER KIDS
3:57:28PM EMPLOYED BECAUSE THAT KEEPS THEM SAFE.
3:57:30PM I WAS A SUMMER KID AND I WAS A CUSTODIAN AND I'M PROUD OF
3:57:33PM THAT.
3:57:33PM WE HAVE SOCIAL ACTION PROGRAMS.
3:57:35PM WE GIVE TO A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS, BY THE WAY.
3:57:37PM WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.
3:57:39PM WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.
3:57:41PM THAT'S EXTRA.
3:57:42PM SOME PEOPLE ASK FOR MORE MONEY THAN OTHERS.
3:57:44PM SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE TO DO, BUT
3:57:48PM THE ONE THING I'M NOT WILLING TO DO IS CUT AN EMPLOYEE'S
3:57:51PM SALARY.
3:57:51PM THE BOTTOM LINE, I WILL NOT VOTE TO DO IT.
3:57:55PM AND I SET MY OWN CLOCK.
3:57:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.
3:58:01PM I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT HAVE COME
3:58:04PM UP.
3:58:04PM ONE, I WANT TO CLARIFY THE RECORD AND IN SPITE OF THE
3:58:08PM INACCURATE HEADLINES OF THE TAMPA BAY TIMES, SIX OUT OF
3:58:10PM SEVEN MEMBERS ON THIS DAIS REJECTED THE MILL INCREASE.
3:58:14PM SIX OUT OF SEVEN.
3:58:17PM ANYBODY THAT IS REPEATING ANYTHING ELSE, THEY ARE NOT
3:58:20PM TELLING YOU THE TRUTH.
3:58:23PM MANY OF US SAW THIS IN A DIFFERENT, MORE STRATEGIC WAY.
3:58:26PM I THINK SOME OF US THAT DIDN'T VOTE FOR THE ACTUAL MILLAGE
3:58:30PM LAST TIME WE MET TO DISCUSS THE BUDGET WAS CONCERNED THAT WE
3:58:33PM DID NOT HAVE ALL THE FACTS AND WE WANTED TO DEFER
3:58:36PM CONSIDERATION UNTIL THIS MEETING.
3:58:38PM WE DID NOT WANT TO TIE OUR HANDS UNTIL WE CAME TO THIS
3:58:41PM MEETING TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION ABOUT WHERE THE MONEY
3:58:44PM IS AND WHERE IT'S PROPOSED TO GO.
3:58:46PM THAT BEING SAID, SOMEBODY SAID THERE WERE TWO SIDES OF THIS.
3:58:50PM OH, I WISH THERE WERE JUST TWO SIDES.
3:58:54PM IT IS THE COUNCIL, IT IS THE MAYOR, IT IS HUNDREDS OF
3:58:58PM THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
3:58:59PM IT IS THE FOLKS THAT ARE OUT HERE, PEOPLE WHO ARE ADVOCATING
3:59:04PM FOR HOUSING FOR FOLKS.
3:59:06PM ADVOCATES HERE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, FOR SAFE SIDEWALKS AND
3:59:11PM SAFE STREETS.
3:59:12PM THERE ARE SO MANY, MANY SIDES TO THIS DISCUSSION.
3:59:15PM NOW, THE DECISION ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY, HOW MUCH REVENUE THE
3:59:21PM CITY POTENTIALLY CAN GET, FOR THE MOST PART HAS BEEN MADE OR
3:59:26PM NEARLY MADE.
3:59:29PM SO WE KNOW WHAT THE SIZE OF THE PIE IS.
3:59:33PM NOW COMES THE TOUGH PART.
3:59:34PM I WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS.
3:59:36PM ONE, FEES ARE TAXES.
3:59:39PM I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU CALL IT.
3:59:42PM YOU'RE TAKING OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY AND PUTTING IT INTO THE
3:59:44PM GOVERNMENT COFFERS.
3:59:45PM FEES ARE SOMETHING THAT THE STATE OF FLORIDA, FOR WHATEVER
3:59:50PM POLITICAL REASONS, HAVE BEEN USING IN AN INEQUITABLE WAY TO
3:59:55PM SUBSTITUTE TAXES BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE THEY CAN HIDE IT OR
3:59:59PM TARGET IT.
4:00:00PM FEES ARE REGRESSIVE.
4:00:02PM THEY REALLY IN A NON-BALANCED WAY AFFECT POOR MEMBERS OF OUR
4:00:09PM COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE WHO ARE GREAT CONSUMERS OF OUR GOODS
4:00:12PM AND SERVICES.
4:00:13PM THEY DO NOT REFLECT THE ACTUAL COST OF PROVIDING THAT
4:00:17PM SERVICE TO SOME OF THOSE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU DO FLAT-RATE
4:00:21PM FEES.
4:00:21PM I'M VERY FEARFUL THAT I HEAR A LOT OF DISCUSSION -- AND I
4:00:25PM WANT TO BE CLEAR, THERE ARE A LOT OF OUR FEES THAT HAVE TO
4:00:27PM BE REASSESSED.
4:00:29PM A LOT OF THE FEES THAT IMPACT GROWTH AND CONSTRUCTION THAT
4:00:33PM WE HAVE TO BE RECOUPING THE ACTUAL COST OF SERVICES THAT THE
4:00:35PM GOVERNMENT PROVIDES.
4:00:36PM 100% WE NEED TO DO THAT.
4:00:39PM SOME OF THE MORE REGRESSIVE TYPE OF FEES I'VE HEARD
4:00:42PM DISCUSSED, I'M ABSOLUTELY OPPOSED TO THAT.
4:00:43PM THE SINGLE MOTHER THAT DEPENDS ON AFTER-SCHOOL CARE IN PARKS
4:00:46PM SO THE KEYS ARE NOT LATCHKEY KIDS, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD
4:00:50PM BE IMPOSING A BURDENSOME FEE ON THAT SINGLE MOTHER AND HAVE
4:00:56PM THEM HAVE TO MAKE A CHOICE BETWEEN HAVING THEM LATCHKEY
4:00:59PM ALONE IN A HOUSE OR HAVING THEM IN A PUBLIC PARKS AND REC
4:01:02PM CENTER WHERE THEY COULD BE CULTURALLY ENRICHED.
4:01:05PM HAVE THEM PARTICIPATE IN THE POLICE ATHLETIC LEAGUE WHERE
4:01:09PM THEY CAN LEARN THE SKILLS OF BECOMING AN ADULT.
4:01:12PM THE $1.9 MILLION THAT WE NEED FOR MATCHING FUNDS FOR OUR
4:01:18PM POLICE OFFICERS, IT WOULD BE NEGLIGENT OF THIS CITY TO ALLOW
4:01:21PM THOSE MATCHING FUNDS TO SLIP THROUGH OUR FINGERS AND NOT
4:01:25PM FUND THAT $1.9 MILLION.
4:01:26PM THAT IS ABSOLUTE -- THAT IS A WANT.
4:01:31PM I WILL BE CLEAR.
4:01:32PM WHEN WE LEAVE HERE ON THE 19th, WE'RE NO LONGER TALKING
4:01:37PM ABOUT WANTS.
4:01:38PM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PRIORITIZING OUR NEEDS.
4:01:42PM AND WHILE WE HAVE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE FOR DECADES, GUESS
4:01:45PM WHAT, SOME OF THOSE WE'RE GOING TO DEFER TO ANOTHER 12
4:01:48PM MONTHS AT LEAST BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE NEEDS, WE'RE BEYOND
4:01:52PM THE WANTS.
4:01:53PM WE'RE INTO THE NEEDS.
4:01:54PM NOW WE JUST HAVE TO CHOOSE WHICH NEEDS WE'LL FUND FOR 12
4:01:58PM MONTHS AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY.
4:02:00PM JUST THE NEXT 12 MONTHS WE HAVE TO SURVIVE THE BUDGET THAT
4:02:02PM WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
4:02:03PM WE HAVE OPTIONS.
4:02:07PM I AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON WHEN SHE TALKS ABOUT, WE
4:02:11PM NEED TO START, BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT WILL BE OVERLY
4:02:14PM BURDENSOME, WE DON'T HAVE THE SKILLS AND ABILITY TO CREATE
4:02:17PM $1.9 BILLION BUDGET FROM THIS DAIS.
4:02:19PM WHAT WE CAN DO IS USE THE SKELETON STRUCTURE THAT WE
4:02:22PM CURRENTLY HAVE.
4:02:23PM $45 MILLION IN ADDITIONAL TAX REVENUE BY THE PROPOSED
4:02:26PM MILLAGE INCREASE THAT WENT TO INCREASES.
4:02:28PM I THINK RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING WE NEED TO STRIKE THAT FROM
4:02:31PM THE TABLE, NOT PERMANENTLY, BUT I THINK TO GET TO A STARTING
4:02:35PM POINT OF OUR DISCUSSION, WE NEED TO PULL BACK THAT $45
4:02:38PM MILLION.
4:02:39PM I ALSO THINK -- OH, GOSH, I'LL RUN OUT OF TIME.
4:02:42PM I ALSO THINK THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT CUTTING $1 MILLION IN
4:02:46PM WAGE INCREASES THAT ARE BUDGETED FOR BUT HAVE NOT
4:02:49PM HISTORICALLY BEEN USED THAT ARE NONCONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED
4:02:52PM BUDGET INCREASES IN THE CITY WHICH WILL HELP COMPRESS OUR
4:02:56PM PAY SCALE.
4:02:57PM I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT OUR RESERVES, AND I'M
4:03:02PM FEARFUL OF THIS.
4:03:03PM I'M TELLING YOU, WHEN WE START SPENDING RESERVE MONEY, IT IS
4:03:06PM GOING TO AFFECT OUR BUDGET RATING, BUT THERE IS MONEY THERE,
4:03:10PM WE CAN GET DOWN TO A REASONABLE LEVEL OF RESERVES.
4:03:12PM I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
4:03:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
4:03:14PM YES, MA'AM.
4:03:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
4:03:16PM THANK YOU.
4:03:20PM THANK YOU FOR EVERY E-MAIL I'VE GOTTEN AND FOR THE NUMBER OF
4:03:24PM PEOPLE WHO HAVE REALLY DUG IN.
4:03:26PM I WANT TO THANK STAFF UNTIL THE VERY LAST MINUTE TODAY
4:03:29PM SENDING ME ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS I HAD.
4:03:32PM THIS IS A $2 BILLION BUDGET, AND IT'S REALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR
4:03:37PM A LAY PERSON TO UNDERSTAND.
4:03:42PM I WAS IN SCHOOL FOR ACCOUNTING AT ONE TIME.
4:03:45PM I REALLY WISH I HAD FINISHED SOME OF THOSE CLASSES.
4:03:48PM LAST WEEK WHEN I TALKED ABOUT SHELL GAMES, THAT IS
4:03:53PM ABSOLUTELY WHAT I WAS ALLUDING TO.
4:03:55PM HOW WE MOVE MONEY FROM FUND X TO FUND Y FOR HOLDING IN
4:04:00PM FUTURE USE OR HOLDING IN RESERVES, TO ME, THAT'S WHAT THAT
4:04:04PM IS.
4:04:05PM APPARENTLY OTHER PEOPLE TAKE THAT DIFFERENTLY, AND THAT'S
4:04:08PM NOT WHAT I MEANT.
4:04:10PM I MEANT THAT WE MOVE MONEY AROUND AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE
4:04:13PM HAVE TO DO IT THAT WAY.
4:04:15PM BUT IN ACCOUNTING, THE RULES DON'T LET YOU PUT MONEY INTO
4:04:18PM COMMONSENSE COLUMNS, LIKE RESERVES.
4:04:21PM I ASKED.
4:04:22PM IN THIS WAY, IT'S REALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO GO FROM ONE
4:04:27PM DEPARTMENT TO ANOTHER AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S IN EVERY
4:04:29PM DEPARTMENT BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT IN EVERY DEPARTMENT THAT'S
4:04:32PM LABELED "OTHER."
4:04:33PM WE SHOULD WORK INCREDIBLY HARD IN THE FUTURE TO NOT HAVE
4:04:37PM "OTHER" COLUMNS.
4:04:38PM OR IF WE HAVE AN "OTHER" COLUMN, TO HAVE A FOOTNOTE THAT
4:04:42PM EXPLAINS WHAT THAT "OTHER" COLUMN ACTUALLY MEANS.
4:04:45PM BECAUSE THE PUBLIC NOR COUNCIL CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT
4:04:47PM THE WORD "OTHER" MEANS.
4:04:49PM WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED IS THAT WE AS A COUNCIL CAN MAKE OUR
4:04:56PM FISCAL MOTIONS MORE SPECIFIC.
4:04:58PM I HAVE ASKED FOR CLARITY IN FINANCIAL REQUESTS GOING FORWARD
4:05:01PM IN FISCAL YEAR 2024.
4:05:03PM THE MOTION I MADE LAST WEEK REQUIRING FUND TITLES, NUMBERS
4:05:06PM AND BALANCES FOR EACH CONSENT ITEM WILL HELP WITH THAT.
4:05:09PM WE CAN BE BETTER STEWARDS OF THE PUBLIC'S FUNDS BY ASKING
4:05:12PM MORE QUESTIONS.
4:05:14PM I FOUND OUT IN A MEETING WITH MIKE PERRY YESTERDAY THAT THEY
4:05:17PM RUN MONTHLY REPORTS ON THE BUDGET, ON THE ACTUAL WHERE WE
4:05:20PM ARE AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
4:05:22PM I'LL BE MAKING A MOTION TONIGHT -- OR RATHER TOMORROW NIGHT
4:05:25PM TO MAKE SURE THOSE MONTHLY REPORTS ARE PROVIDED TO COUNCIL,
4:05:28PM SO WE HAVE SOMEWHERE TO GO, SOMEWHERE TO LOOK AT, SEE
4:05:31PM CHANGES.
4:05:32PM I'M ALSO PROBABLY GOING TO ASK FOR INDIVIDUAL MONTHLY
4:05:35PM MEETINGS TO LEARN A LITTLE MORE ABOUT IT AS WE GO.
4:05:38PM I RECOMMEND MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS DO THE SAME.
4:05:40PM BUT ULTIMATELY CITIZENS ASKED US OVER AND OVER AGAIN WITH
4:05:46PM HEARTBREAKING DETAIL THAT WE CANNOT RAISE THE BUDGET, THAT
4:05:50PM WE NEED TO PROVIDE MORE TRANSPARENCY IN AN INCREDIBLY
4:05:54PM COMPLICATED ISSUE, AND WE AS A COUNCIL HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO
4:05:58PM DO JUST THAT.
4:05:59PM THEY HAVE ALSO ASKED US TO RIGHT SIZE THE BUDGET AND I HAVE
4:06:03PM SOME THOUGHTS ON HOW TO DO THAT.
4:06:05PM SINCE THIS IS AN INTRO, I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT AT THAT.
4:06:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:06:09PM YES, SIR, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
4:06:10PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
4:06:12PM I SECOND THE THANKS TO THE PUBLIC FOR ALL THE TIME AND
4:06:17PM ENERGY YOU ALL PUT IN.
4:06:19PM MANY, MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY SPENT HOURS AND DAYS
4:06:22PM LOOKING AT THE BUDGET AND GIVING US INPUT AND CIRCULATING
4:06:26PM INFORMATION THEY FOUND.
4:06:27PM THANK YOU ALSO TO THE STAFF FOR WORKING WITH US.
4:06:30PM FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, WE'VE
4:06:34PM HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR FROM THE PUBLIC THAT THERE ARE FIVE
4:06:38PM MAIN THINGS THAT THE PUBLIC WANTS.
4:06:39PM THERE ARE MANY, MANY THINGS THE PUBLIC WANTS, BUT AT LEAST
4:06:42PM FIVE MAIN THINGS.
4:06:43PM SUPPORT OF POLICE FOR SAFETY, SUPPORT OF FIRE RESCUE,
4:06:50PM HOUSING, WHICH WE HAVE A CRISIS ON.
4:06:54PM ALSO PARKS THAT ARE FALLING APART AND ROADS.
4:06:57PM AND I HEAR MORE THAN ANYONE ABOUT ROADS.
4:06:59PM IN FACT, LAST YEAR I VOTED AGAINST THE BUDGET BECAUSE THE
4:07:02PM ROAD PAVING BUDGET HADN'T RISEN IN FOUR YEARS.
4:07:05PM SO THE ADMINISTRATION LISTENED TO US AND THEY CAME AND SAID,
4:07:09PM WELL, YOU CAN HAVE ALL FIVE OF THE THINGS AND I SEPARATE
4:07:12PM THEM INTO FIVE INSTEAD OF FOUR BECAUSE POLICE AND FIRE
4:07:15PM IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO SEPARATE THEM.
4:07:16PM BUT THEY SAID YOU CAN HAVE ALL FIVE OF THOSE THINGS IF YOU
4:07:19PM JUST AGREE TO A 1 MILL INCREASE.
4:07:22PM AS WAS SAID BEFORE, THE PUBLIC CLEARLY TOLD US THAT THEY
4:07:26PM COULDN'T AFFORD IT, THAT THAT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE.
4:07:28PM WE KNOW THERE ARE MANY CASES OF SPENDING THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE
4:07:30PM BEEN DONE, COULD HAVE SAVED MONEY.
4:07:33PM MOST IMPORTANTLY, MY ECONOMICS BACKGROUND SHOWS ME THAT
4:07:37PM RAISING TAXES AT THIS TIME COULD HAVE REALLY HURT US MORE.
4:07:40PM WE MAY ALREADY BE ENTERING A RECESSION AND SENDING US INTO
4:07:44PM ECONOMIC TURMOIL WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A GOOD IDEA.
4:07:47PM WHAT HE AND THE PUBLIC WERE TOLD, IF YOU WANT THOSE FIVE
4:07:50PM THINGS, YOU NEED TO PAY FOR THE MILL INCREASE.
4:07:52PM WE VOTED IT DOWN AND WE ALL REALLY DUG INTO THE BUDGET.
4:07:54PM WE HAD IDEAS LAST WEEK, BUT WE'RE BRINGING MORE IDEAS TODAY.
4:07:59PM AS WE DUG INTO THE BUDGET, AS THE PUBLIC DUG INTO THE
4:08:02PM BUDGET, WE FOUND THOSE FIVE THINGS WERE THE SAME AS THEY
4:08:04PM WERE BEFORE.
4:08:05PM THOSE WERE NOT THE THINGS THAT WERE THE CAUSE OF THE BUDGET
4:08:08PM INCREASE.
4:08:08PM THOSE FIVE THINGS WERE THE SAME OR LESS THAN THEY WERE
4:08:11PM BEFORE.
4:08:13PM AND SO A LOT OF DISCUSSION THE LAST WEEK HAS BEEN, WELL,
4:08:16PM CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T SUPPORT ROAD PAVING.
4:08:18PM WE DO ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT ROAD PAVING.
4:08:21PM THE ISSUE, IF YOU REALLY LOOK AT THE BUDGET, THE ISSUE IS
4:08:25PM SALARIES ARE GOING UP.
4:08:26PM IF WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT SALARIES GOING UP AND HOW WE
4:08:29PM NEEDED TO ADDRESS THAT, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A DIFFERENT
4:08:31PM CONVERSATION.
4:08:32PM SALARIES IN PARTICULAR ARE GOING UP FOR POLICE AND FIRE,
4:08:34PM WHICH WE KNOW WE NEED TO SUPPORT.
4:08:36PM BUT WE NEEDED TO LOOK AT IT AS WHAT WAS CAUSING THE
4:08:39PM INCREASE, NOT WHAT THE POLITICAL SPIN IS WHAT PEOPLE THOUGHT
4:08:45PM WAS HAPPENING.
4:08:45PM HAD WE DONE THAT, THE CONVERSATION WOULD HAVE BEEN
4:08:48PM DIFFERENT.
4:08:49PM WE ALSO KNOW IN LOOKING AT THE DATA, I PRESENTED TAMPA'S
4:08:52PM SCORECARD AGAIN THE OTHER DAY.
4:08:54PM IF YOU LOOK AT THE DATA, LOOK AT THE CENSUS DATA YOURSELF,
4:08:57PM YOU'LL SEE THAT TAMPA DOES NOT FARE WELL ECONOMICALLY.
4:09:01PM THE LAST 12 YEARS HAVE NOT BEEN GOOD FOR TAMPA ECONOMICALLY.
4:09:04PM WE HAVE LOTS OF NICE PRETTY BUILDINGS BUT THE IMPACT DOES
4:09:07PM NOT POSITIVELY IMPACT THE AVERAGE CITIZEN OF OUR COMMUNITY.
4:09:10PM WE HAVE PEOPLE COMING UP EVERY DAY TELLING US THEY CAN'T
4:09:13PM AFFORD BASIC NECESSITIES.
4:09:14PM WE KNOW FROM DATA THAT IT'S GETTING WORSE.
4:09:18PM TO DO THAT, WE NEED TO RADICALLY CHANGE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
4:09:21PM IN THE CITY.
4:09:21PM OTHERWISE IN FOUR YEARS WE'LL BE IN THE SAME POSITION WE ARE
4:09:24PM NOW WHERE THE NUMBERS ARE GETTING WORSE.
4:09:25PM DIDN'T IMPROVE SINCE THE GREAT RECESSION TO A VERY GREAT
4:09:28PM EXTENT AND WE NEED TO FIX THAT GOING FORWARD.
4:09:31PM TODAY THERE WAS AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT A BIG COMPANY DECIDED
4:09:34PM TO CHOOSE DALLAS OVER TAMPA FOR ITS HEADQUARTERS.
4:09:39PM THE EXCUSE GIVEN WAS THEY REALLY DIDN'T TAKE TAMPA SERIOUSLY
4:09:42PM IN THE FIRST PLACE.
4:09:43PM OKAY.
4:09:44PM MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TOLD THE PUBLIC ABOUT IT.
4:09:46PM THE PUBLIC IS TIRED OF HEARING EXCUSES.
4:09:48PM THEY WANT REAL ECONOMIC SOLUTIONS.
4:09:49PM THE KEY TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS HELPING PEOPLE GET BETTER
4:09:52PM PAYING JOBS.
4:09:53PM WE ALSO KNOW THAT THERE ARE LOBBYISTS AND OTHERS IN AND
4:09:59PM AROUND THE CITY THAT PROMOTE THINGS ACTIVELY, USE TAXPAYER
4:10:00PM MONEY TO PROMOTE THINGS LIKE TOILET TO TAP, $6 BILLION
4:10:04PM UNFUNDED MANDATE THAT COULD TRIPLE OR QUADRUPLE WATER RATES.
4:10:07PM WE NEED TO MAKE -- OUR ONLY PUSH-BACK AGAINST THAT TO HELP
4:10:10PM THE PUBLIC IS TO CUT THOSE BUDGETS.
4:10:12PM AS WE GO FORWARD, I'VE GOT A LOT OF IDEAS.
4:10:16PM I'M STEPPING OUT IN THIS MEETING KNOW IT IS SHARK-INFESTED
4:10:23PM WATERS AND I'LL BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT I SAY AND MAYBE MY
4:10:27PM COLLEAGUES WILL DO THE SAME.
4:10:28PM I HOPE WE CAN CREATE A COLLABORATIVE ENVIRONMENT.
4:10:30PM I HOPE MOST IMPORTANTLY AS WAS SAID WE NEED TO BE RESPECTFUL
4:10:34PM OF STAFF BUT HOPE STAFF WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF US AND DOESN'T
4:10:38PM TURN INTO A SITUATION WHERE STAFF IS SAYING NO, NO, NO, NO.
4:10:42PM WE SPENT A LOT OF RESEARCH AND TIME ON THIS.
4:10:45PM LASTLY, I TALKED TO THE MAYOR A FEW MONTHS AGO AND SAID IF
4:10:47PM YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT INCREASING THE TAXES, LET US KNOW SO
4:10:50PM WE CAN WORK WITH YOU ON IT.
4:10:51PM I JUST MET WITH THE MAYOR AND CHIEF OF STAFF AND THE CFO AND
4:10:54PM I SAID WE NEED TO RADICALLY CHANGE THIS PROCESS GOING
4:10:57PM FORWARD, NOT ONLY MONTHLY UPDATES LIKE MY COLLEAGUES SAID,
4:11:00PM CITY COUNCIL NEEDS A WINDOW AND EYE INTO IT.
4:11:03PM NOT BECAUSE THE CHARTER REQUIRES IT, BUT BECAUSE WE NEED
4:11:05PM COLLABORATION IN THE CITY.
4:11:06PM WE ALL NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS OF THE
4:11:08PM CITY GOING FORWARD.
4:11:09PM THANK YOU.
4:11:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
4:11:11PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:11:11PM I'LL MAKE MY COMMENTS.
4:11:14PM HERE WE ARE WITHOUT A MILLAGE INCREASE AND WE'RE HAVING TO
4:11:18PM PRESENT OR APPROVE A BALANCED BUDGET.
4:11:22PM AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF IDEAS I HAVE AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT
4:11:25PM THEM FURTHER AS WE CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION SINCE THESE ARE
4:11:28PM OPENING COMMENTS.
4:11:29PM BUT WHAT IF WE LOOKED AT SALARY INCREASES, CAPPING THEM
4:11:33PM ACROSS THE BOARD, NONUNION FOLKS TO NO MORE THAN 3%.
4:11:37PM WHAT IF WE LOOK AT ELIMINATING PROPOSED POSITIONS IN THIS
4:11:41PM NEW BUDGET THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY NOT NECESSARY?
4:11:43PM I KNOW THAT -- AND I'VE ASKED THIS QUESTION THAT WE'VE
4:11:46PM LOOKED AT POSITIONS THAT WERE PROPOSED IN THE CURRENT
4:11:48PM BUDGET, THE '23 BUDGET, THAT HAVEN'T BEEN FILLED, AND WE'VE
4:11:54PM LOOKED AT THAT -- YOU KNOW, I ASKED MY QUESTION ON THAT.
4:11:56PM MY PRIORITIES ARE PRESERVING PUBLIC SAFETY AND HOUSING.
4:11:59PM WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR -- WE HEAR LOUD AND CLEAR EVERY DAY,
4:12:04PM DURING THE CAMPAIGN AND HOUSING, THE HOUSING CRISIS THAT WE
4:12:07PM HAVE, AND ALSO THE NEED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
4:12:11PM WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY HERE WITH BRINGING ON MORE
4:12:14PM FIREFIGHTERS WITH A GRANT.
4:12:18PM THAT IS VERY HELPFUL.
4:12:19PM THAT WILL COVER US I BELIEVE THREE YEARS.
4:12:21PM BUT WITH POLICE WE HAVE TO HAVE MATCHING FUNDS.
4:12:23PM IT'S RIGHT UNDER $2 MILLION, 1.8, 1.9.
4:12:28PM WE SHOULD FIND THAT MONEY TO, AGAIN, PRESERVE THAT SO WE CAN
4:12:32PM MOVE FORWARD.
4:12:34PM WITH HOUSING, WE NEED TO LOOK AT CREATIVE SOLUTIONS BEYOND
4:12:38PM JUST THE GENERAL FUND, AND I TALKED ABOUT AT THE CRA AND I
4:12:41PM MENTIONED IT NOW TEN TIMES ABOUT PURCHASING THE POLICE
4:12:46PM STATION ACROSS THE STREET.
4:12:47PM THAT'S JUST ONE IDEA THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK BROUGHT UP AND
4:12:51PM WE MADE A MOTION ON, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT OTHER
4:12:54PM OPPORTUNITIES.
4:12:55PM SOMEBODY MENTIONED SURFACE PARKING LOTS THAT THE CITY HAS
4:12:59PM AND THE ABUNDANCE OF PARKING THAT WE HAVE.
4:13:00PM THAT'S VERY EXPENSIVE REAL ESTATE THAT WE CAN FREE UP SHOULD
4:13:03PM WE GO THAT ROUTE TO GET MONEY INTO THAT GENERAL FUND THAT WE
4:13:07PM COULD PUT TOWARDS HOUSING, PUT TOWARDS OUR NEEDS.
4:13:10PM THERE'S SO MUCH THAT CAN BE SAID.
4:13:14PM WITH THE MILLAGE PROPOSAL, WE COULD HAVE DONE X, BUT I LOOK
4:13:18PM AT IT AS IF I GAVE MY MOTHER AS A KID A CHRISTMAS WISH LIST
4:13:22PM OF FIVE ITEMS, AND SHE CAME BACK WITH TWO, I WOULDN'T SAY,
4:13:27PM WELL, CHRISTMAS IS RUINED.
4:13:29PM I WOULD BE HAPPY WITH WHATEVER SHE WAS ABLE TO DO.
4:13:34PM IN THIS SITUATION, TERRIBLE ANALOGY AND I AM THE KING OF BAD
4:13:38PM ANALOGIES, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT IS ABSOLUTELY
4:13:41PM NECESSARY.
4:13:41PM OUR NEEDS OVER OUR WANTS, AND I THINK HOUSING AND PUBLIC
4:13:45PM SAFETY ARE THE TOP TWO BIGGEST PRIORITIES.
4:13:47PM WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE FUTURE.
4:13:49PM THE FUTURE MEANING THE CIT EXPIRES IN A FEW YEARS.
4:13:54PM WILL THAT CIT BE RENEWED?
4:13:56PM WE DON'T KNOW HOW IT WILL BE STRUCTURED BUT LOOKING AT THE
4:13:59PM CIT NOW IT WENT TO FUND A LOT OF POLICE, A LOT OF FIRE, A
4:14:03PM LOT OF OTHER THINGS.
4:14:04PM IT IS A LIFELINE.
4:14:05PM IT'S BEEN A 30-YEAR LIFE LINE TO ALLOW US TO DO CERTAIN
4:14:08PM PROJECTS.
4:14:09PM AND MOVING FORWARD, SHOULD THAT CIT BE RENEWED WE NEED TO
4:14:14PM STRICTLY FOCUS IT ON TRANSPORTATION, ON HOUSING, IF WE'RE
4:14:17PM ABLE TO, AND PUBLIC -- HOWEVER THEY ALLOCATE IT.
4:14:20PM BUT MOVING FORWARD, I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE BETTER BUDGET
4:14:23PM DECISIONS.
4:14:23PM I THINK BACK TO THE GREAT RECESSION AND HOW PROPERTY VALUES
4:14:26PM ARE GOING UP AND UP AND UP AND PEOPLE WERE SPENDING AND
4:14:29PM CREDIT WAS BEING THROWN OUT AND GIVEN AND THIS AND THIS, AND
4:14:32PM THEN EVERYTHING CRASHED.
4:14:34PM WE ARE NOT GOING INTO THAT CRASH, I HOPE NOT.
4:14:37PM WE MAY BE GOING INTO THAT WILL HE SESSION.
4:14:39PM BUT WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SUNSHINE
4:14:43PM AND RAINBOWS.
4:14:44PM WE HAVE TO PREPARE FOR THE RAINY DAY.
4:14:46PM AND WE'VE BEEN VERY GOOD AT PUTTING MONEY IN OUR RESERVES.
4:14:49PM THE CITY'S SAVINGS ACCOUNT HEALTHY.
4:14:52PM CREDIT AND BOND RATINGS ARE HEALTHY.
4:14:54PM BUT IN THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE IN, WANTS AND NEEDS, WE HAVE
4:14:57PM VERY SPECIFIC NEEDS.
4:15:01PM I KNOW THAT IT IS PERHAPS UNPOPULAR, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT
4:15:05PM PERHAPS VISITING OUR RESERVE FUND AND WHAT WE CAN TAKE FROM
4:15:10PM THAT FUND THAT WON'T IMPACT US, IMPACT OUR CREDIT AND BOND
4:15:15PM RATING.
4:15:15PM WE NEED TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING I MENTIONED WITH POSITIONS
4:15:18PM THAT ARE PROPOSED THAT HAVEN'T BEEN FILLED, LOOKING AT
4:15:20PM RAISES, BECAUSE EVERY DOLLAR COUNTS.
4:15:23PM I THINK IF WE REALLY SCRUTINIZE THE AVAILABLE DOLLARS, WE
4:15:25PM CAN GET TO THE GOALS THAT WE'RE AIMING FOR AND BE ABLE TO
4:15:30PM PASS A BALANCED BUDGET, MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER WHILE BEING
4:15:34PM ABLE TO TACKLE OUR MOST PRESSING ISSUES.
4:15:37PM I LOOK FORWARD TO A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT.
4:15:39PM EACH COUNCIL MEMBER MADE THEIR OPENING STATEMENTS, AS I AM
4:15:42PM MAKING MINE, BUT I AM HOPEFUL BY TUESDAY THE 19th WE'LL BE
4:15:48PM ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A BUDGET THAT IS BALANCED AND
4:15:50PM MEETING THE DEADLINE.
4:15:51PM WE ARE REQUIRED TO PASS A BALANCED BUDGET BEFORE THE END OF
4:15:53PM THIS MONTH.
4:15:54PM TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.
4:15:57PM I'LL STOP THERE.
4:15:59PM AT THIS TIME, I'LL GO TO ITEM NUMBER 1.
4:16:01PM I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP MR. ROGERO.
4:16:03PM HE WILL TALK ABOUT A FEW ITEMS.
4:16:05PM AND THEN WE GO INTO ITEM NUMBER 2 AND COUNCIL WILL HAVE
4:16:08PM MANY, MANY OPPORTUNITIES TO TALK IN REGARDS TO THE BUDGET.
4:16:13PM MR. ROGERO, ITEM NUMBER ONE IS REGARDING FEASIBILITY OF
4:16:17PM INCLUDING DESIGN FUNDS AND POTENTIAL LAND ACQUISITION PLANS
4:16:20PM FOR FIRE STATIONS AND/OR EXPANSIONS.
4:16:22PM MR. ROGERO, I'M GOING TO DO A FIVE-MINUTE BREAK.
4:16:43PM A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS NEED TO STEP OUT.
4:16:45PM IS THAT ALL RIGHT?
4:16:46PM WE'LL DO A FIVE-MINUTE BREAK.
4:16:48PM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
4:16:50PM [FIVE-MINUTE BREAK]
4:16:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
4:30:54PM WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN.
4:30:56PM IF WE COULD PLEASE HAVE SILENCE AND TAKE A SEAT.
4:31:02PM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
4:31:03PM WELCOME BACK TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
4:31:04PM ROLL CALL.
4:31:04PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
4:31:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
4:31:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
4:31:07PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT.
4:31:09PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
4:31:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
4:31:11PM >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
4:31:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CHIEF BENNETT.
4:31:17PM >>JOHN BENNETT: GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
4:31:18PM JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
4:31:20PM OF COURSE, GOOD AFTERNOON TO OUR PUBLIC.
4:31:21PM YOU MENTIONED ITEM NUMBER 1.
4:31:24PM I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THAT REAL QUICK AND THEN TURN IT
4:31:28PM OVER TO CHIEF BARBARA TRIPP WHO IS ONLINE.
4:31:31PM AND WE HAVE CHIEF JENKINS FOR ANY OTHER SUPPORT.
4:31:35PM I DID NOTICE COUNCILMAN VIERA WHO MADE THE MOTION IS NOT
4:31:38PM AVAILABLE.
4:31:39PM DO YOU WANT ME TO CONTINUE?
4:31:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHILE WE'RE WAITING, MAY I?
4:31:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
4:31:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANTED TO SAY I GOT AN E-MAIL FROM
4:31:56PM MS. ZELMAN THAT EXPLAINS THE SALARY INCREASES FOR THOSE
4:32:01PM BOUND BY EXISTING COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS ONLY AND
4:32:03PM THE TOTAL SALARY INCREASE.
4:32:05PM PEOPLE HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, SO I MADE A PHOTOCOPY AND
4:32:08PM GAVE IT TO THE CLERK AND ALL OF YOU.
4:32:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:32:10PM I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THAT.
4:32:13PM THAT IS A VERY GOOD NUMBER TO HAVE AND THAT WILL COME UP IN
4:32:20PM CONVERSATION.
4:32:21PM COUNCILMAN VIERA, THIS WAS YOUR MOTION REGARDING THE FIRE
4:32:25PM STATION.
4:32:25PM CHIEF BENNETT IS GOING TO KICK IT OFF HERE.
4:32:28PM WE WANTED TO WAIT FOR YOU.
4:32:29PM >>LUIS VIERA: OH, THAT'S VERY KIND OF YOU.
4:32:32PM THANK YOU.
4:32:32PM I'LL SPEAK AFTER THEY ARE FINISHED.
4:32:34PM THANK YOU.
4:32:35PM THANK YOU, CHIEF.
4:32:38PM >>JOHN BENNETT: OUR PLEASURE.
4:32:39PM WE KNOW YOUR SUPPORT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY IS GREAT AS WITH ALL
4:32:45PM THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
4:32:46PM I WANT TO READ THE MOTION FOR THE SAKE OF CHIEF TRIPP WHO IS
4:32:49PM ONLINE AND MAY NOT HAVE ACCESS SO WE CAN BE AS CRYSTAL
4:32:51PM CLEAR.
4:32:52PM PREAMBLE TO THAT, I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE KEPT OUR
4:32:56PM PROMISE TO HAVE STAFF HERE TO HELP COUNCIL WORK THROUGH THIS
4:32:59PM TONIGHT, AND WE'RE IN FULL SUPPORT OF GETTING A BALANCED
4:33:02PM BUDGET TO SUPPORT YOU AND THE PUBLIC AND GETTING THE BEST
4:33:05PM LEVEL OF SERVICE POSSIBLE.
4:33:06PM BUT ITEM NUMBER 1 IS FOR STAFF TO REPORT ON THE FEASIBILITY
4:33:09PM OF INCLUDING DESIGN FUNDS AND POTENTIAL LAND ACQUISITION
4:33:12PM PLANS FOR FIRE STATIONS AND/OR EXPANSIONS AT THE FOLLOWING
4:33:16PM THREE LOCATIONS IN THE FISCAL YEAR '24 BUDGET.
4:33:22PM SPECIFICALLY, DOWNTOWN, NORTH TAMPA/FOWLER, AND K-BAR RANCH.
4:33:26PM BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO CHIEF TRIPP, I THINK THE KEYWORDS
4:33:30PM HERE ARE FEASIBILITY AND FUNDS, OBVIOUSLY, SO FOR THE
4:33:34PM FEASIBILITY PART, THAT WOULD BE THE STRATEGIC PURPOSE OF THE
4:33:38PM FIRE DEPARTMENT'S STRATEGIC PLAN TO HAVE THE HIGHEST LEVEL
4:33:41PM OF SERVICE IN ALL NEIGHBORHOODS AND, OF COURSE, CHIEF ROGERO
4:33:44PM AND THE BUDGET TEAM ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE FUNDS THAT
4:33:47PM ARE NOT ONLY IN THE FISCAL YEAR '24 BUDGET, ABSENT THE
4:33:51PM MILLAGE, MEANING AVAILABLE FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, BUT ALSO
4:33:56PM MAYBE THE HISTORY OF THAT AS WELL BECAUSE I KNOW COUNCILMAN
4:33:59PM VIERA AND THE FIREFIGHTERS ARE ALL INTERESTED IN MAKING SURE
4:34:03PM THAT WE HAVE THE BEST OPPORTUNITIES TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY.
4:34:07PM CHIEF TRIPP, I BELIEVE YOU'RE ONLINE.
4:34:13PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL, CAN YOU HEAR ME?
4:34:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
4:34:16PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: GOOD AFTERNOON.
4:34:20PM FIRE CHIEF TAMPA FIRE RESCUE.
4:34:21PM MY APOLOGIES FOR NOT BEING THERE IN PERSON, BUT TO ELABORATE
4:34:25PM ON THE MOTION, AND I BELIEVE PART OF IT WAS DEALING WITH
4:34:28PM NORTH TAMPA.
4:34:29PM CURRENTLY, I'M IN THE PROCESS OF FINALIZING THE INFORMATION
4:34:35PM CONCERNING NORTH TAMPA WITH PUTTING A FIRE STATION THAT WILL
4:34:38PM BE STATION 24.
4:34:41PM NEED TO FIND OUT EXACTLY AS FAR AS THE FUNDING AND I
4:34:43PM UNDERSTAND WE DO HAVE 1.5 IN THERE FOR THE DESIGN.
4:34:46PM SURVEY HAS BEEN COMPLETED FOR A PARTICULAR AREA.
4:34:50PM AS FAR AS K-BAR, WHICH THAT IS AN AREA THAT IS DEFINITELY
4:34:53PM GROWING AND WE'RE LOOKING TO ADD ADDITIONAL RESOURCES TO
4:34:56PM THAT, AND AS I LOOK AT THE CALL VOLUME AS WELL AS THE
4:35:00PM RESPONSE TIME AND SOME OF THE -- I DON'T WANT TO USE THE
4:35:03PM WORD QUICK-FIX, BUT SOME OF THE ITEMS WE COULD DO A LITTLE
4:35:06PM SOONER TO TRY TO HELP THAT NORTH TAMPA BECAUSE THE CALL
4:35:09PM VOLUME DOES NOT EQUAL UP TO DOWNTOWN OR CENTRAL TAMPA.
4:35:16PM ONE IS TO -- WHICH WE ARE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY TO SEE IF
4:35:20PM WE CAN GAIN ACCESS TO THAT BACK ROAD AS WELL AS ADDING
4:35:24PM ADDITIONAL RESOURCES.
4:35:25PM WE ARE ALSO LOOKING INTO MAYBE PARTNERING WITH ANOTHER UNIT
4:35:30PM TO HELP PROVIDE THAT SERVICE UP THERE UNTIL WE CAN GET THE
4:35:34PM UNITS IN PLACE.
4:35:36PM I DO HAVE A TRANSPORT UNIT THAT'S GOING TO BE DEDICATED TO
4:35:40PM STATION 22 THAT WE'RE GOING TO SERVICE THAT PROVIDE THAT ALS
4:35:45PM SERVICE FOR THE NORTH SIDE.
4:35:47PM I BELIEVE DOWNTOWN TAMPA, OF COURSE, DOWNTOWN TAMPA AS WE
4:35:50PM SPEAK, NO PROPERTY.
4:35:51PM I'VE BEEN LOOKING OUT AND REACHING OUT TO TRY TO FIND LAND
4:35:55PM IN THE AREA.
4:35:57PM ALSO LOOKING IN THE AREA OVER BY THE PORT BECAUSE THAT IS
4:36:00PM ONE OF THE AREAS THAT IS DEVELOPING AS WELL.
4:36:02PM AND, OF COURSE, I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO REDESIGN STATION 6 FOR
4:36:07PM THE PORT AND TO ADD MORE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES.
4:36:10PM BUT WE HAVE BEEN COMING UP ZERO WITH PROPERTY.
4:36:13PM SO IN THE MEANTIME, TO HELP THE MEN AND WOMEN IN DOWNTOWN
4:36:16PM TAMPA WITH THE CALL VOLUME, ONCE WE BE ABLE TO GET THESE
4:36:21PM ADDITIONAL RESOURCES THAT'S COMING IN FROM THE
4:36:24PM MANUFACTURERS, WHICH I'M HOPING BY THE END OF THE YEAR, NO
4:36:26PM LATER THAN THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A
4:36:28PM MANUFACTURER DELAY AND TAKING ABOUT TWO YEARS FOR EQUIPMENT
4:36:32PM TO BE PRODUCED, LOOKING TO ADD MORE RESOURCES TO THE STATION
4:36:37PM UNTIL WE CAN FIND A LOCATION TO PUT ANOTHER STATION THERE.
4:36:39PM HOPEFULLY I ANSWERED EVERYTHING THAT WAS IN THE MOTION.
4:36:45PM IF NOT, LET ME KNOW.
4:36:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA, ARE YOU SATISFIED?
4:36:49PM >>LUIS VIERA: YEAH, AND THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, AND THANK YOU,
4:36:52PM CHIEF TRIPP.
4:36:53PM WE APPRECIATE YOUR INFORMATION AND YOUR HARD WORK.
4:36:57PM AND OUR FRIENDS AT LOCAL 754, WE APPRECIATE YOU ALL AND
4:37:00PM CHIEF BENNETT AND MR. ROGERO AND EVERYBODY.
4:37:03PM I MADE A MOTION LAST WEEK AT CITY COUNCIL TO HAVE US LOOK AT
4:37:07PM BONDING FOR FIRE STATIONS.
4:37:09PM MY IDEA WAS TO TAKE A LOOK AT USING THE MILLAGE IN THE
4:37:14PM FUTURE FOR FIRE STATIONS, AND IF WE CAN'T HAVE A PROCESS
4:37:18PM THAT'S DOMINATED BY PAY AS YOU GO, WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT
4:37:21PM RIGHT NOW SOME SORT OF A BOND, WHICH I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF,
4:37:26PM BUT, AGAIN, I DON'T CARE IF WE DO IT THROUGH A MILLAGE RATE.
4:37:29PM I DON'T CARE IF WE DO IT BY BONDING OR BY SAYING 12 HAIL
4:37:32PM MARYS AND 8 OUR FATHERS, I WANT TO GET THIS DONE BECAUSE WE
4:37:36PM NEED TO GET THIS DONE FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
4:37:38PM WE ALL AGREE THAT WE WAITED VERY, VERY LONG ON THIS.
4:37:41PM AND THAT INCLUDES FOR STATION 24, WHICH FOR BACKGROUND, IS
4:37:44PM GOING TO BE HELPING US FOR THE NORTH TAMPA AREA WHICH HAS
4:37:48PM STATION 13, WHICH RECENTLY WAS THE 54th BUSIEST STATION IN
4:37:51PM THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
4:37:52PM AND WE HELPED OUT WITH STATION 25, WITH WORK FROM THE UNION
4:37:56PM AND THE ADMINISTRATION AND STRONG SUPPORT FROM CITY COUNCIL.
4:37:59PM MY QUESTION IS, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M HEARING THIS
4:38:04PM RIGHT.
4:38:05PM WE HAVE $1.5 MILLION RIGHT NOW IN THE BUDGET THAT IS SET
4:38:08PM ASIDE FOR STATION 24 FOR DESIGN, AND THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO
4:38:12PM WITH THE MILLAGE INCREASE, CORRECT?
4:38:16PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
4:38:19PM YOU ARE CORRECT, SIR.
4:38:20PM >>LUIS VIERA: GREAT.
4:38:21PM CHIEF TRIPP TALKED ABOUT HAVING ADDITIONAL RESCUE AND
4:38:24PM AMBULANCES, TALKING ABOUT K-BAR RANCH, ET CETERA.
4:38:27PM RIGHT NOW IN THE BUDGET, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE ADDITIONAL
4:38:31PM FUNDS FOR MORE RESCUE VEHICLES OR AMBULANCES OR WAS THAT
4:38:35PM SOMETHING THAT WAS PREDICATED UPON THE MILLAGE?
4:38:38PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: MUCH OF IT WAS PREDICATED ON THE MILLAGE.
4:38:41PM WE DO HAVE SOME FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR VEHICLES.
4:38:43PM CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MR. PERRY, WHAT WILL STILL NEED TO
4:38:47PM BE DECIDED IF IT IS POLICE VEHICLES, FIRE VEHICLES OR A
4:38:50PM COMBINATION OF THE TWO.
4:38:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COME ON UP TO THE MIKE, SIR.
4:39:01PM >> GOOD EVENING, MIKE PERRY, BUDGET OFFICER.
4:39:04PM FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS HAVING THE CIT, MAKE A CONCERTED
4:39:09PM EFFORT TO PUT MORE MONEY TO PUBLIC SAFETY VEHICLES.
4:39:15PM PROPOSED '24 BUDGET, WE HAVE $16 MILLION PROPOSED FOR PUBLIC
4:39:20PM SAFETY VEHICLES.
4:39:23PM DID I SAY $16 MILLION.
4:39:26PM THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR PUBLIC SAFETY
4:39:29PM VEHICLES.
4:39:30PM THAT'S WHAT DENNIS IS TALKING ABOUT IS THE ALLOCATION
4:39:34PM THEREOF.
4:39:35PM >>LUIS VIERA: GREAT.
4:39:36PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:39:37PM AGAIN, WE ARE WHERE WE'RE AT.
4:39:42PM RIGHT NOW, ET CETERA, IT'S GOOD TO SEE THAT WE CAN AT LEAST
4:39:45PM MAKE SOME ADVANCEMENT.
4:39:46PM I'LL BE HONEST, THIS IS NOT THE BUDGET I WANTED FOR PUBLIC
4:39:49PM SAFETY.
4:39:50PM I WISH WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE AHEAD.
4:39:55PM WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO PUSH FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER
4:39:58PM PLAN TO GET DONE SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHAT ALL OF OUR DEFICITS
4:40:02PM ARE AT THROUGH AN OBJECTIVE REPORT SUPPORTED BY BOTH SIDES,
4:40:06PM ET CETERA.
4:40:07PM OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS NOT THE BUDGET I ENVISIONED FOR PUBLIC
4:40:10PM SAFETY, BUT WE ARE WHERE WE'RE AT.
4:40:13PM AT LEAST WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOME MOVEMENT FORWARD ON STATION
4:40:17PM 24 AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE VERY SOON A DISCUSSION ON BONDING
4:40:20PM SO THAT WE CAN MEET THOSE NEEDS AGAIN BY WHATEVER MEANS THAT
4:40:23PM WE CAN.
4:40:24PM IT'S NOT THE BUDGET THAT I WANTED, BUT WE'RE HERE AND WE'LL
4:40:28PM HAVE A DIALOGUE ON CUTS AND HOW TO FUND SOME OF OUR CORE
4:40:32PM CRITICAL NEEDS.
4:40:32PM AGAIN, I THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK AND YOUR
4:40:36PM OPENNESS.
4:40:36PM I APPRECIATE THAT.
4:40:37PM THANK YOU.
4:40:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND THEN COUNCILMAN
4:40:40PM CARLSON AND COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
4:40:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
4:40:43PM I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
4:40:44PM I DON'T KNOW IF CHIEF TRIPP CAN ANSWER THIS OR OTHER MEMBERS
4:40:46PM OF THE BUDGET.
4:40:47PM STAFF.
4:40:50PM HOW MUCH WILL IT COST APPROXIMATELY TO BUILD A FIRE STATION?
4:40:52PM SO FIRE STATION 24, WHAT KIND OF MONEY ARE WE LOOKING AT?
4:40:57PM I'VE HEARD NUMBERS ANYWHERE FROM 4 MILLION TO 11 MILLION.
4:41:04PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: I'M SORRY.
4:41:05PM GO AHEAD.
4:41:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, CHIEF TRIPP.
4:41:08PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: OKAY.
4:41:10PM SORRY ABOUT THAT.
4:41:10PM SO THE AVERAGE, IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING
4:41:15PM AND WHAT IS THE GOING RATE FOR SQUARE FOOTAGE.
4:41:18PM CURRENTLY IT'S BETWEEN 5 TO 11 MILLION DOLLARS.
4:41:22PM THE REASON FOR THAT SPREAD IS YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE
4:41:25PM LAND ACQUISITION, IF YOU HAVE TO GET LAND, IF YOU HAVE TO
4:41:27PM GET EQUIPMENT.
4:41:29PM OF COURSE, PERSONNEL, SO IT VARIES.
4:41:31PM I BELIEVE THE GOING RATE RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT 550 TO 750 PER
4:41:36PM SQUARE FOOT.
4:41:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
4:41:37PM THANK YOU.
4:41:37PM SO IF WE WERE JUST -- I'M GOING TO ASK MR. ROGERO, IF WE'RE
4:41:43PM LOOKING AT JUST THE BUILDING ITSELF, CAN YOU GIVE A CLOSER
4:41:51PM APPROXIMATION?
4:41:53PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: NO.
4:41:53PM AS CHIEF TRIPP SAID, I WOULD DEFER MOSTLY NOT ONLY TO THE
4:41:57PM FIRE CHIEF BUT ALSO TO OUR CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION DIVISION.
4:42:02PM THERE ARE ANY NUMBER OF VARIABLES IN TERMS OF TIMING, WHEN
4:42:05PM DO WE ANTICIPATE IT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED?
4:42:07PM HOW LONG WE ANTICIPATE IT WILL BE FOR DESIGN?
4:42:09PM YOU HEARD CHIEF TRIPP MENTION LAND ACQUISITION, THINGS LIKE
4:42:12PM THAT.
4:42:13PM AGAIN, AS WE ALL KNOW, THE FURTHER OUT -- WELL -- OR THE
4:42:16PM MORE YOU CAN ANTICIPATE THE COST ESTIMATES WILL INCREASE.
4:42:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
4:42:21PM SO I'M JUST GOING TO GO IN THE MIDDLE AND GUESSTIMATE ABOUT
4:42:25PM 9 MILLION.
4:42:26PM HOW MANY VEHICLES, CHIEF TRIPP, DO WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT WE
4:42:30PM HAVE ALREADY PAID FOR OR ENCUMBERED FUNDS FOR THAT WE'RE
4:42:38PM WAITING ON?
4:42:42PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: WE HAVE 15 RESCUE UNITS THAT WE'VE ALREADY
4:42:45PM PAID FOR AS WELL AS FIVE ENGINES.
4:42:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT WE'VE ALREADY PAID FOR.
4:42:52PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: YES.
4:42:54PM SO '22 AND '23 BUDGET.
4:42:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
4:42:58PM THAT'S GOOD NEWS.
4:42:59PM IT'S JUST SO SAD THAT WE HAVE TO WAIT SO LONG TO GET THOSE.
4:43:03PM MR. PERRY SAID THAT WE HAVE 16 MILLION FOR PUBLIC SAFETY
4:43:08PM VEHICLES.
4:43:11PM MY QUESTION, THIS IS FROM THE CIT MONEY?
4:43:15PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX, YES.
4:43:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
4:43:18PM AND THEN, BUT THE CIT MONEY DOESN'T HAVE TO BE USED FOR
4:43:23PM VEHICLES.
4:43:24PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY HAVE TO BE USED
4:43:27PM FOR VEHICLES.
4:43:28PM IT DOES HAVE RESTRICTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE REFERENDUM
4:43:31PM THAT WAS PASSED NEARLY 30 YEARS AGO, AND THEN EVERY FIVE
4:43:35PM YEARS THOSE BUMPER RAILS, IF YOU WILL, ARE REVIEWED AND SET.
4:43:41PM I DON'T KNOW OFFHAND, BUT WE CAN FIND OUT AS TO WHAT THE
4:43:44PM COMPARTMENTALIZATION IS NOW, BUT RIGHT NOW, THE PLAN -- THE
4:43:51PM FORECAST GOING FORWARD IS FOR VEHICLES.
4:43:53PM PUBLIC SAFETY PURPOSES.
4:43:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, YES.
4:43:55PM I GUESS MY QUESTION MORE SPECIFICALLY IS, COULD WE USE THAT
4:43:58PM TOWARD THE BUILDING OF YET ANOTHER FIRE STATION?
4:44:01PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I'LL LET LEGAL INTERRUPT ME IF I'M WRONG,
4:44:04PM BUT WE COULD USE IT.
4:44:05PM WHAT WE CAN'T DO, OF COURSE, BECAUSE THAT PARTICULAR REVENUE
4:44:08PM SOURCE SUNSETS IN JUST A FEW YEARS, WE CANNOT BOND IT OR GO
4:44:12PM INTO DEBT SERVICE.
4:44:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, BUT WE CAN USE THE 16 MILLION AS POSSIBLY
4:44:16PM BUILDING ANOTHER FIRE STATION THIS YEAR INSTEAD OF BUYING
4:44:19PM VEHICLES.
4:44:19PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES.
4:44:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
4:44:22PM THAT'S ALL I HAD.
4:44:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YEAH, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE
4:44:24PM ORIGINAL CIT I THINK WENT TO BUILD THE POLICE SUBSTATIONS
4:44:28PM AND OTHER FACILITIES.
4:44:29PM SO I THINK IT'S ALLOWABLE.
4:44:32PM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, CLENDENIN, MIRANDA.
4:44:39PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES, ONE THING I MENTIONED EARLIER, I WISH
4:44:42PM THAT WE COULD, COUNCIL AND STAFF, REFRAIN FROM TALKING ABOUT
4:44:46PM WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN COVERED BY THE TAX INCREASE.
4:44:50PM A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WE AT CITY COUNCIL, I THINK I MADE THE
4:44:54PM MOTION, ASKED FOR A COPY OF THE BUDGET WITHOUT THE TAX
4:44:56PM INCREASE AND THE STAFF DECIDED NOT TO GIVE IT TO US.
4:44:59PM AND THAT'S THEIR CHOICE.
4:45:01PM BUT IF YOU COMPARE LAST YEAR'S BUDGET TO THIS YEAR'S BUDGET,
4:45:06PM THERE ARE A LOT OF CHANGES.
4:45:07PM SO ANYTHING COULD HAVE COME FROM THAT BUCKET.
4:45:11PM THIS IS NOT A BATTLE OVER PUBLIC SAFETY OR ANYTHING ELSE.
4:45:16PM WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE NOT HURT, AS CHIEF OF
4:45:20PM STAFF WOULD SAY, LEVEL OF SERVICE, BUT ALSO TRY AND ENHANCE
4:45:24PM THOSE FIVE THINGS.
4:45:25PM I THINK WE AGREE TO THE FIVE THINGS.
4:45:27PM BUT AS THE MEMO JUST SAYS, THAT WAS JUST HANDED OUT FROM
4:45:31PM MS. ZELMAN'S MEMO, JUST THE DIFFERENCE THIS YEAR IN THE CITY
4:45:38PM EMPLOYEES' SALARIES BARGAINING AGREEMENT, SALARIES 22.2
4:45:42PM MILLION AND THEN TOTAL SALARY IS 28.5 MILLION.
4:45:46PM SO IF WE'RE MEASURING AGAINST 45 MILLION, THAT'S MOST OF IT
4:45:50PM RIGHT THERE AND THEN PUTTING A BIG CHUNK IN THE RESERVE
4:45:53PM FUND.
4:45:53PM SO WE CAN PICK ANYTHING -- ANYTHING THAT'S AN INCREASE FROM
4:45:56PM LAST YEAR, WE COULD SAY, WELL, THAT IS WHAT THE INCREASE WAS
4:45:59PM ABOUT.
4:45:59PM IT'S ARBITRARY AS TO WHAT YOU PICK.
4:46:04PM IT'S OBVIOUS THAT SALARY HAD A HUGE IMPACT.
4:46:07PM IT'S NOT LIKE WE ARE STARTING FROM ZERO ON FIRE, SAFETY OR
4:46:11PM ANYTHING ELSE.
4:46:12PM WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE NUMBER IS, 45 OR SOMETHING
4:46:15PM ELSE AND THEN WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE CUTS ARE TO
4:46:18PM MEET THE SAME PLACE WE ARE NOW.
4:46:19PM I WISH WE WOULD GET OFF SAYING WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED
4:46:23PM IF WE HAD THE TAX, BECAUSE WE COULD PICK ANYTHING THAT IS AN
4:46:26PM INCREASE AND TALK ABOUT IT.
4:46:28PM SECOND, MR. ROGERO AND I WERE TRADING E-MAILS AND CALLS
4:46:32PM YESTERDAY, WHICH I APPRECIATE.
4:46:33PM I TALKED TO THE MAYOR A LITTLE WHILE AGO.
4:46:37PM I AT LEAST UNTIL LAST WEEK THOUGHT THE THREE OR FOUR YEARS
4:46:40PM OF HARD WORK THAT COUNCILMAN VIERA HAD PUT IN ON THIS
4:46:43PM STATION 24 HAD RESULTED IN US APPROVING IT A YEAR AGO AND IT
4:46:48PM WAS MOVING FORWARD.
4:46:50PM I DID NOT KNOW UNTIL NICK STOCCO SAID LAST WEEK IT WAS NOT
4:46:53PM GOING FORWARD.
4:46:54PM IF MY COLLEAGUES KNEW, THEN MAYBE I WAS THE ONLY ONE.
4:46:57PM WE NEED TO COMMUNICATE DIFFERENTLY.
4:46:59PM THE CHARTER SAYS WE HAVE CONTROL OF THE BUDGET, WHICH THE
4:47:01PM CITY ATTORNEY HAS REMINDED US OF.
4:47:06PM WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OF FORCING THE ADMINISTRATION TO
4:47:08PM EXECUTE.
4:47:08PM BUT IF YOU DECIDE NOT TO EXECUTE, PLEASE LET US KNOW BECAUSE
4:47:12PM WE THOUGHT IT WAS HAPPENING ALREADY.
4:47:13PM SO THE E-MAILS I WAS EXCHANGING LAST NIGHT IS KIND OF WHY IT
4:47:17PM DIDN'T HAPPEN AND MAYBE, MR. ROGERO, YOU COULD SAY THIS FOR
4:47:21PM THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN DIGGING INTO THIS AS
4:47:24PM WELL, BUT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE 11 MILLION THAT WE HAD
4:47:27PM APPROVED WAS GOING TO BE BONDED.
4:47:30PM COULD YOU TELL US WHAT ELSE WAS GOING TO BE IN THAT?
4:47:34PM AND IF YOU ALL WAITED BECAUSE YOU THINK RATES WILL BE BETTER
4:47:37PM IN THE FUTURE, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
4:47:38PM BUT IT WOULD BE NICE FOR US TO KNOW AND NICE FOR THE
4:47:41PM FIREFIGHTERS TO KNOW.
4:47:42PM IT WOULD BE NICE FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WHY WE'RE MAKING
4:47:45PM THOSE DECISIONS, AND IF 11 MILLION IS GOING TO BE BONDED,
4:47:48PM WHAT ELSE WAS IN THAT BUCKET?
4:47:50PM AND THEN TO THE NEXT QUESTION, COULD YOU ALSO -- I'M ADDING
4:47:55PM A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS, SO WE'LL HAVE TO TALK AGAIN -- WHAT IS
4:47:58PM OUR BOND TO REVENUE RATIO AND WHAT IS THE STANDARD IN THE
4:48:00PM INDUSTRY?
4:48:00PM WE KNOW THAT YOU ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THE RESERVE FUND
4:48:04PM PERCENTAGE, WHICH I'VE BEEN A BIG PROTECTOR OF, BUT WHAT IS
4:48:08PM THE TOTAL CAPACITY OF BONDING THAT WE CAN GO TO WITH THIS
4:48:11PM REVENUE SIZE?
4:48:12PM AND HOW MUCH MORE DO WE HAVE?
4:48:13PM AND WHAT DO YOU ALL PLAN ON BONDING THIS YEAR?
4:48:16PM AS I SAID LAST WEEK, SOMETIMES I FEEL BLINDSIDED BECAUSE
4:48:19PM SUDDENLY THINGS ARE PAID WITH BONDING THAT I AT LEAST DIDN'T
4:48:24PM KNOW WE WERE GOING TO USE BONDING FOR.
4:48:26PM SO CAN YOU GIVE --
4:48:30PM [ENCODER DISCONNECT]
4:48:52PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: -- STATION 24.
4:48:54PM AND I THINK YOU WERE HOLDING UP SOME PAGES JUST A FEW
4:48:58PM MEETINGS AGO, MR. VIERA.
4:49:00PM IN FISCAL YEAR '22, AS PART OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT
4:49:03PM PROGRAM, WE HAD -- I'M GOING OFF MEMORY, SO I'M GOING TO
4:49:07PM ROUND THE NUMBERS, ABOUT $12 MILLION IN TOTAL ANTICIPATED
4:49:11PM FOR FIRE STATION 24.
4:49:13PM IN FISCAL YEAR '22, VERY LITTLE WAS ACTUALLY APPROPRIATED.
4:49:19PM AGAIN, WE CAN ONLY APPROPRIATE, COUNCIL CAN ONLY APPROPRIATE
4:49:22PM MONEY ON A SINGLE FISCAL YEAR.
4:49:25PM SO A MILLION OR TWO WAS IN FISCAL YEAR '22, AND THEN AS YOU
4:49:30PM LOOKED OUT INTO THE FIVE YEARS OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT
4:49:32PM PROGRAM, YOU SAW IN FISCAL YEAR '23 ANOTHER 11-ISH MILLION
4:49:37PM DOLLARS.
4:49:38PM FOR COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT, WHETHER CONSTRUCTION, FF AND
4:49:41PM E, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
4:49:42PM AND THE FUNDING SOURCE FOR THE 11ISH MILLION WAS AN
4:49:45PM ANTICIPATED DEBT ISSUE.
4:49:46PM FOR WHATEVER REASON, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS SITE
4:49:50PM LOCATION OR IF IT WAS AN IMPLEMENTATION SCHEDULE, BUT FOR
4:49:53PM WHATEVER REASON, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT STATION WAS NOT
4:49:57PM IMMINENT BECAUSE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT STATION WAS NOT
4:49:59PM IMMINENT, THE DEBT SERVICE WAS UNNECESSARY.
4:50:02PM AND, PLEASE REMEMBER, IT WAS ALWAYS ANTICIPATED DEBT
4:50:07PM SERVICE.
4:50:07PM COUNCIL HAS ISSUED NO OR ISSUED NO DEBT FOR THAT 11ISH
4:50:14PM MILLION.
4:50:14PM BECAUSE WE IN THE FINANCING ARENA DIDN'T KNOW THE
4:50:17PM ANTICIPATED TIME FRAME, WE TOOK THE ANTICIPATED REVENUE AND
4:50:19PM WE TOOK THE ANTICIPATED EXPENDITURE OUT.
4:50:21PM AND THAT'S HOW WE END UP WITH THE 1.5 MILLION WE HAVE NOW.
4:50:25PM IF A DECISION IS MADE OR IF WE WERE TOLD THAT CONSTRUCTION
4:50:29PM OF THAT STATION IS IMMINENT AND WE GET A CONSTRUCTION
4:50:32PM SCHEDULE, WE WILL PUT THAT FUNDING, OF COURSE, BACK INTO THE
4:50:36PM CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, BARRING A CASH, AS YOU WERE
4:50:40PM TALKING ABOUT, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, BARRING CASH, WE
4:50:43PM CONTINUE TO ANTICIPATE CONSTRUCTION OF FIRE STATIONS VIA
4:50:46PM DEBT SERVICE.
4:50:47PM WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT LIKE THAT, BUT THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT
4:50:50PM WE PLAN ON SO WE DON'T HAVE TO SAVE THAT MONEY UP.
4:50:53PM SO THAT'S HOW WE ARRIVED AT THE 1.5 MILLION AND THAT IS
4:50:58PM CARRIED OR A CONTINUING PROJECT FROM THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR
4:51:01PM INTO FISCAL YEAR '24.
4:51:03PM I'M A VISUAL GUY.
4:51:10PM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU SAID, IF I HEARD CORRECTLY, THAT IT WAS
4:51:11PM IN AND THEN WE TOOK IT OUT.
4:51:13PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: UM-HUM.
4:51:15PM >>BILL CARLSON: MAYBE A QUESTION FOR YOU OR MS. ZELMAN, IF
4:51:19PM CITY COUNCIL HAS THE EXPECTATION THAT SOMETHING IS IN THE
4:51:21PM BUDGET OR IF WE APPROVE SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE BUDGET, DOES
4:51:24PM THE ADMINISTRATION HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO TELL US OR GET OUR
4:51:27PM APPROVAL BEFORE THEY TAKE IT OUT OF THE BUDGET?
4:51:29PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I'LL CERTAINLY DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY,
4:51:32PM BUT I WILL TELL YOU -- AND, AGAIN, IF WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB
4:51:35PM OF COMMUNICATING -- AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HUNDREDS AND
4:51:39PM HUNDREDS OF PROJECTS AND THINGS ARE CHANGING ALL THE TIME.
4:51:42PM THE BUDGET CHANGES ALL THE TIME.
4:51:44PM BUT THE MECHANISM WE WOULD VIEW FOR CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE
4:51:48PM THAT CHANGE WOULD BE ADOPTION OF THE FISCAL YEAR CAPITAL
4:51:50PM IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM AND CITY COUNCIL DID ADOPT IT WITH THAT
4:51:53PM REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE TAKEN OUT.
4:51:56PM NOW, AGAIN, IF COUNCIL MEMBERS FEEL WE SHOULD OR COULD
4:52:00PM HIGHLIGHT THAT MORE, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
4:52:02PM BUT THAT'S OUR MECHANISM FOR APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL BY CITY
4:52:06PM COUNCIL.
4:52:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CLENDENIN, MIRANDA, HENDERSON.
4:52:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, SIR.
4:52:12PM FEELS LIKE IT WAS JUST A LITTLE A WHILE AGO WE WERE SPEAKING
4:52:17PM ON THE PHONE.
4:52:18PM THE $12 MILLION THAT HAD BEEN ALLOCATED TO STATION 24, THAT
4:52:23PM IS NO LONGER ENCUMBERED AND THE MONEY NO LONGER EXISTS, IS
4:52:26PM THAT CORRECT?
4:52:26PM THAT WHAT I'M HEARING?
4:52:29PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: CORRECT.
4:52:29PM IT NEVER REACHED THE POINT OF BEING ENCUMBERED AND NEVER
4:52:33PM ISSUED THE DEBT, SO NEVER HAD THE MONEY.
4:52:35PM IT WAS A PLAN.
4:52:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TO ADDRESS COUNCILMAN VIERA'S CONCERN AND
4:52:39PM I THINK YOU ADDRESSED IT AND I WANT TO REITERATE IT SO
4:52:43PM PEOPLE HEAR THIS.
4:52:43PM WHEN WE'RE SPENDING MONEY ON, ESPECIALLY INFRASTRUCTURE THAT
4:52:47PM HAS A MULTIYEAR LIFE SPAN, AND I THINK YOU REFERRED TO IT AS
4:52:51PM GENERATIONAL FINANCING, WHEN WE SET THESE BONDS, BECAUSE IT
4:52:55PM WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE FOR US AS A CITY GOVERNING BODY TO
4:53:00PM BURDEN EXISTING TAXPAYERS WITH THE ENTIRETY OF A DEBT WHEN
4:53:04PM THAT IS GOING TO HAVE A USEFUL LIFE OF X NUMBER OF YEARS,
4:53:08PM YOU SPREAD IT OUT SO THE FOLKS THAT ARE SENIOR CITIZENS
4:53:11PM LIVING TODAY ARE NOT PAYING FOR SOMETHING THAT HAS A 30-YEAR
4:53:15PM LIFE SPAN.
4:53:15PM THE NEXT GENERATION, ALL THE IMMIGRANTS FLEEING TO THE CITY
4:53:18PM FROM NEW YORK AND PENNSYLVANIA AND ELSEWHERE, THEY WILL BE
4:53:22PM ABLE TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE.
4:53:25PM I THINK BONDING IS AN EQUITABLE WAY OF PAYING FOR THIS
4:53:29PM INFRASTRUCTURE.
4:53:29PM AND, OF COURSE, ANYTIME, NOT JUST WITH FIRE STATIONS, BUT
4:53:32PM ANY OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, I THINK THAT IS THE SMART WAY OF
4:53:37PM EQUITABLY PAYING FOR THESE PRIORITIES.
4:53:39PM THERE'S $16 MILLION IN VEHICLES -- I WANT TO -- IT'S IN THE
4:53:50PM CIT FUNDS, CORRECT?
4:53:53PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES.
4:53:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: 16 MILLION THAT IS PAID FOR IN THE BUDGET.
4:53:56PM OKAY.
4:53:57PM NOW, I TRANSITION TO CHIEF TRIPP.
4:54:00PM ARE YOU STILL WITH US?
4:54:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SHE IS.
4:54:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CHIEF TRIPP, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
4:54:06PM I WANT TO ADDRESS THE NEEDS.
4:54:10PM I'VE HAD PLENTY OF CONVERSATIONS WITH 754 ABOUT PRIORITIES,
4:54:14PM AND I'VE ALSO HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU ABOUT
4:54:17PM PRIORITIES OF TAMPA FIRE AND RESCUE.
4:54:19PM WE HAVE THESE VEHICLES THAT HAVE BEEN BOUGHT AND PAID FOR.
4:54:22PM I KNOW BY CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH YOU THAT ONE OF OUR
4:54:25PM GREATEST NEEDS AND OUR DEFICIT IN TAMPA FIRE RESCUE IS THE
4:54:33PM ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT VEHICLES AND BEING ABLE TO SUPPLEMENT
4:54:36PM THAT SO THAT WHEN FOLKS CALL 911, THAT WE HAVE A RESPONSIVE
4:54:42PM -- WE MEET THEIR NEEDS AND WE'RE RESPONSIVE.
4:54:46PM DO YOU HAVE THE CAPACITY TO HOUSE IN AN EQUITABLE WAY ACROSS
4:54:53PM THE CITY WHERE THEY NEED TO BE HOUSED THE VEHICLES CURRENTLY
4:54:57PM BOUGHT AND PAID FOR AND WAITING FOR DELIVERY AND RIGHT NOW
4:55:00PM WITH THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE?
4:55:02PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: YES AND NO.
4:55:03PM SO A COUPLE OF THE STATIONS WE WERE ABLE TO GO IN AND DO
4:55:07PM MODIFIED CHANGING TO HOUSE LIKE TWO ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL FOR
4:55:11PM THE RESCUE CARS.
4:55:12PM AND A COUPLE OF THEM THEY ACTUALLY CANNOT EVEN HOLD ANOTHER
4:55:17PM CHAIR.
4:55:18PM STATION 6 IS ONE AND STATION 10 IS ONE.
4:55:20PM BUT MY GOAL IS TO PLACE THEM IN SERVICE TO GO AHEAD AND
4:55:23PM PROVIDE THE NEED TO THE COMMUNITY AND THEN EVENTUALLY TRY TO
4:55:28PM GET THEM A COMPLETE LOCATION.
4:55:30PM I HAVE FIVE STATIONS CURRENTLY NOW THAT'S IN NEED OF -- THAT
4:55:35PM DO NOT HAVE AN ALS TRANSPORT UNIT, AND I AM ABLE TO FIT
4:55:40PM THREE OF THE FIVE.
4:55:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY YOU NEED TO
4:55:44PM ACCOMMODATE ALL OF THESE VEHICLES IN THE STATIONS THAT YOU
4:55:47PM HAVE A NEED?
4:55:50PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: SO THE VEHICLES ARE PAID FOR.
4:55:52PM ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE STATION ITSELF?
4:55:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ACTUALLY DEPLOYING THEM IN THE FIELD, WHAT
4:55:57PM IT WOULD COST TO PROVIDE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS TO
4:55:59PM BE ABLE TO DEPLOY THOSE INTO THE FIELD.
4:56:03PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: OKAY.
4:56:04PM IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY, DEPLOY THEM OUT, WE
4:56:07PM WOULD NEED THOSE ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL, AND THAT'S WHERE THE
4:56:12PM GRANT WILL COME IN TO HAVE THOSE ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL TO PUT
4:56:15PM ON THE RESCUE CARS.
4:56:16PM ONCE THE UNITS COME IN FROM THE MANUFACTURER, WE'LL PUT THEM
4:56:19PM IN SERVICE.
4:56:19PM LIKE I SAY, THREE OF THE STATIONS I CURRENTLY HAVE, WHEN I
4:56:23PM SAY THE OVERHEAD, THE FACILITY FOR THEM, THE OTHER TWO
4:56:27PM STATIONS, ONE OF THE STATIONS, LIKE I SAID, STATION 10,
4:56:30PM WHICH IS A 19 -- 21 -- OR 28 STATION, OF COURSE, IT HAS NO
4:56:36PM ROOM NOR LAND AROUND IT.
4:56:38PM BUT MY PLANS IS TO DO OTHER THINGS, LIKE WITH OUR FACILITY
4:56:42PM AND FLEET BUILDING TO SUPPLY AND FLEET TO TRY TO HOUSE THEM
4:56:51PM TOGETHER SO I WOULD HAVE MORE LAND TO REDO STATION 10.
4:56:54PM STATION 10 IS ONE IN EAST TAMPA THAT NEED ADDITIONAL RESCUE
4:56:57PM CAR BUT HAS NO LAND AROUND IT, AND WE TALKED ABOUT STATION 6
4:57:01PM THAT'S IN PORT TAMPA.
4:57:03PM SO TO UPDATE SOME OF THE STATIONS, AS FAR AS RENOVATIONS AND
4:57:06PM REMODELING, THE AMOUNT IS GOING TO VARY, BUT I CAN TELL YOU
4:57:11PM WE JUST DID STATION 25, AND THAT BUILDING WAS ALREADY THERE.
4:57:15PM WE WENT IN AND REHABBED THAT BUILDING AND IT COST A MILLION
4:57:19PM DOLLARS.
4:57:19PM FOR THAT LOCATION.
4:57:22PM IN ORDER TO GO INTO THESE OTHER STATIONS, REHAB THEM, BRING
4:57:26PM THEM UP TO CODES AND STANDARDS, ADD MORE DORMITORY SPACE AND
4:57:30PM ROOM TO FACILITATE IN CASE WE HAVE LIKE A NATURAL DISASTER,
4:57:34PM DO RECALLS, IT WILL PROBABLY RUN US ANYWHERE BETWEEN 1 AND 2
4:57:39PM MILLION DOLLARS.
4:57:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY.
4:57:41PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: EACH STATION.
4:57:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IF WE BUDGETED $2 MILLION, YOU COULD
4:57:46PM ACCOMMODATE PER STATION.
4:57:47PM $4 MILLION, YOU COULD ACCOMMODATE THE ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT
4:57:49PM VEHICLES IN THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE CURRENTLY
4:57:52PM HAVE.
4:57:52PM SO I KNOW WE HAVE A DIRE NEED.
4:57:59PM AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A WANT.
4:58:01PM WE HAVE A DIRE NEED IN THE CITY OF TAMPA TO MAKE DRAMATIC
4:58:06PM IMPROVEMENTS TO AT LEAST SEVEN OF OUR FIRE STATIONS.
4:58:11PM I KNOW ONE OF THEM HAS MOLD AND OTHERS JUST WERE NEVER
4:58:14PM DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY TRYING TO
4:58:17PM ACCOMMODATE AND HAVEN'T BEEN TOUCHED IN DECADES.
4:58:19PM IF THE POLITICAL REALITY IS THAT WE DO NOT HAVE THE FUNDING
4:58:22PM TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN ALL SEVEN STATIONS, IF YOU -- IF
4:58:29PM THERE WERE THREE OF THE MOST CRITICAL STATIONS, COULD YOU
4:58:32PM IDENTIFY WHAT THOSE ARE AND THE IMPLICATIONS, HOW MUCH MONEY
4:58:35PM YOU NEED TO MEET THE NEEDS IN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS AND IF WE
4:58:39PM HAD TO DEFER THOSE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR?
4:58:42PM JUST GIVE ME WHAT YOUR ABSOLUTE NEED ON THE TOP THREE AND
4:58:46PM HOW MUCH MONEY THAT IS.
4:58:48PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: OKAY.
4:58:49PM SO STATION 9 IS DEFINITELY TOP THREE.
4:58:54PM STATION 6 AND STATION 10 WOULD BE MY TOP THREE NEEDS BECAUSE
4:58:57PM OF CONDITIONS OF THE STATION AS WELL AS THE MANPOWER THAT'S
4:59:01PM CURRENTLY IN THE STATION.
4:59:02PM OF COURSE, WITH STATION 9, IT WOULD BE HARD TO, UNLESS WE
4:59:07PM FIND ANOTHER PROPERTY TO BUILD A STATION, BUT WE HAVE
4:59:09PM PROPERTY, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE FLEET FACILITY IS LOCATED.
4:59:15PM SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PRICE, STATION -- STATION 6, IN ORDER
4:59:23PM TO GET LIKE A FIRE BASE STATION THAT WILL BE A WHOLE OTHER
4:59:28PM NEW BUILDING WHICH WOULD TAKE ANYWHERE BETWEEN THAT 5 TO 11
4:59:33PM MILLION DOLLARS.
4:59:34PM BUT IF YOU ASK ME WHAT CAN I DO TODAY THAT WILL BE FOR ONE
4:59:38PM YEAR, IT'S GOING TO BE HARD.
4:59:41PM OF COURSE, IT WILL GO TO THE NEXT YEAR.
4:59:43PM IT WOULD BE TRY TO REMODEL SIX OF THE STATIONS BUILT IN THE
4:59:47PM '50s.
4:59:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN YOU GIVE US -- I MEAN, AND MAYBE YOU
4:59:51PM CAN TAKE AN IOU AND GET THAT FIGURE TO US BETWEEN NOW AND
4:59:55PM THE NEXT MEETING AND WORK WITH THE ADMINISTRATION.
4:59:57PM THE FINANCE GEEKS TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE BUDGET OF
5:00:01PM WHAT THE ACTUAL NEEDS OF THAT 9, 6, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS 7
5:00:05PM TO BE ABLE TO MEET THE NEEDS AND GO BEYOND -- YOU KNOW, I
5:00:09PM THINK HONESTLY THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS NEED TO DO ALL
5:00:13PM SEVEN BUT THE REALITY IS, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO
5:00:18PM GET THERE.
5:00:19PM IF WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE, AT LEAST WE KNOW WHAT THE TOP
5:00:22PM THREE ARE.
5:00:23PM AGAIN, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE TO EVERYBODY LISTENING, THESE ARE
5:00:26PM NOT WANT.
5:00:27PM THESE ARE ABSOLUTE NEEDS, AND WHEN WE LEAVE HERE TONIGHT,
5:00:30PM THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF NEEDS LEFT ON THE TABLE FOR THE
5:00:34PM NEXT FISCAL YEAR, FISCAL YEARS AFTER THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S
5:00:37PM JUST WHAT WE'LL HAVE TO DO.
5:00:38PM THE WANTS ARE GOING BY THE WAYSIDE.
5:00:41PM THERE'S NO FAT.
5:00:42PM WE'RE JUST CUTTING INTO THE MEAT.
5:00:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
5:00:46PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: CAN I SAY ONE THING?
5:00:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, MA'AM.
5:00:49PM YES, MA'AM.
5:00:49PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: OKAY.
5:00:50PM SORRY.
5:00:51PM LIKE YOU SAY, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE NEEDS, THOSE ARE THE
5:00:55PM PRIMARY NEEDS RIGHT THERE WITH THOSE THREE STATIONS.
5:00:58PM THAT IS DEFINITELY A MUST THAT WE NEED TO TRY TO SEE IF WE
5:01:02PM CAN GET TAKEN CARE OF.
5:01:04PM BUT BECAUSE OF THE TIME FRAME, OF COURSE, IT WON'T TAKE
5:01:08PM PLACE.
5:01:09PM IT WILL TAKE US AT LEAST A YEAR TO GET THINGS SITUATED.
5:01:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
5:01:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA AND COUNCILWOMAN
5:01:16PM HENDERSON.
5:01:17PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
5:01:18PM WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REALITIES OF THIS, THIS IS NOT A
5:01:21PM DESIRE, THIS IS A REAL NEED.
5:01:22PM NEED FOR ALL THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS AREA.
5:01:24PM AND SURROUNDING AREAS.
5:01:26PM PUBLIC SAFETY IS UTMOST NO MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE AT.
5:01:31PM HOWEVER, I WANT TO QUESTION MYSELF, WHEN YOU LOOK AT
5:01:35PM BONDING.
5:01:36PM WHEN YOU START BONDING OUT THINGS THAT WERE NEVER BONDED
5:01:39PM BEFORE, SOME OTHER GOVERNMENT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE HERE
5:01:43PM FOREVER, SOME OTHER GOVERNMENT, LET'S DO THIS, LET'S DO
5:01:47PM THAT.
5:01:47PM BONDING IS EXPENSIVE.
5:01:51PM WHEN YOU BUILD SOMETHING, AND I'M GOING TO USE THE PIPES
5:01:54PM PROGRAM FOR AN EXAMPLE.
5:01:55PM THAT PIPES PROGRAM IS $2.9 BILLION.
5:02:00PM LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN.
5:02:01PM 2.9 BILLION.
5:02:05PM IT HAD TO HAPPEN BECAUSE WE'RE SPENDING MILLIONS ON A YEARLY
5:02:09PM BASIS.
5:02:09PM 28 BY NOW WOULD HAVE BEEN 30, 35 MILLION DOLLARS JUST
5:02:14PM REPAIRING THE SAME PIPE.
5:02:17PM NOT EXPANDING THE PIPE, NOT PUTTING IN NEW PIPE.
5:02:20PM JUST REPAIRING WHERE IT CRACKED AND BROKE.
5:02:24PM THAT WAS A DIFFERENT WAY.
5:02:25PM WHEN YOU HEAR ABOUT YOUR WATER BILL, IT'S REALLY YOUR
5:02:29PM UTILITY BILL, ALL OF IT ENCOMPASSED IN ONE BILL.
5:02:33PM THAT MEANS YOUR PICKUP BY THE GOOD PEOPLE OF SOLID WASTE
5:02:35PM THAT PICK UP TWICE A WEEK OR SOMETIMES MISS FIVE DAYS A YEAR
5:02:39PM BECAUSE IT FALLS ON A MONDAY.
5:02:41PM AND THESE ARE THE THINGS HAPPENING IN LIFE.
5:02:43PM SO WE'RE PAYING 54% OF THAT WITHOUT BONDING.
5:02:49PM I HATE THE WORD BONDING.
5:02:53PM I DESPISE IT.
5:02:54PM YOU SEE THE FIRST TIME EVER IN AMERICA THAT THE GENERAL
5:02:58PM POPULATION OF AMERICA IS IN DEBT FOR OVER $1 TRILLION.
5:03:03PM LET ME SAY THAT PART AGAIN.
5:03:05PM $1 TRILLION.
5:03:06PM AND THAT INTEREST RATE AIN'T 5 OR 6 PERCENT.
5:03:10PM SO WHERE ARE WE GOING?
5:03:14PM WE HAVE TO HAVE DONE WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, AND SOMETIMES I
5:03:18PM LOOK AROUND AS I UNDERSTAND SAY, WHAT HAVE I DONE TO HELP
5:03:21PM THINGS OUT?
5:03:21PM WELL, ALL OF US START LOOKING HOW TO SAVE MONEY FOR YOUR OWN
5:03:29PM BENEFIT.
5:03:29PM SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT, SOLAR, A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, I PUT
5:03:35PM SOLAR IN THE HOUSE.
5:03:36PM MY ELECTRIC BILL HAS NEVER BEEN OVER $26.
5:03:40PM LET ME REPEAT THAT.
5:03:41PM $26.
5:03:42PM THE DIFFERENCE THAT THE SAVINGS, IT WILL BE PAID FOR WITH
5:03:47PM THEIR MONEY, NOT MINE IN ABOUT TEN YEARS OR LESS.
5:03:50PM IT'S A BENEFIT THAT WE STARTED LOOKING THAT WAY SO THAT WE
5:03:56PM CAN HAVE A RESIDUAL VALUE OF HELPING NATURE AND ALSO SAVING
5:04:00PM MONEY TO PAY FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
5:04:03PM WE HAVE TO THINK IN A BROAD FORM THAT WE NEVER THOUGHT
5:04:05PM BEFORE.
5:04:06PM THE FIRE STATION IS NEEDED IN NEW TAMPA; HOWEVER, THERE IS
5:04:13PM ANOTHER FIRE STATION IN NEED.
5:04:15PM 9 CERTAINLY NEEDS TO BE REPLACED IN TOTAL.
5:04:17PM IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA SOMEWHERE.
5:04:19PM THE COST OF LAND IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA IS PROHIBITIVE.
5:04:24PM I WOULD IMAGINE JUST ME THINKING OUT LOUD THAT THE NEXT FIRE
5:04:27PM STATION THAT'S BUILT MORE THAN LIKELY TO BE THE FIRST FLOOR
5:04:31PM OF A TALL BUILDING WHERE WE CAN MAKE SOME ARRANGEMENT WITH
5:04:34PM SOMEONE THAT WE CAN FACILITATE THE NEEDS OF A SOCIETY AND
5:04:38PM ALSO NOT PUT SOCIETY IN DEBT.
5:04:40PM YOU DO MUCH MORE WHEN YOU HAVE TWO PENNIES IN YOUR POCKET
5:04:45PM THAN WHEN YOU HAVE NO PENNIES IN YOUR POCKET.
5:04:47PM SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT AND YOU UNDERSTAND THAT LIFE IS
5:04:52PM WHAT IT IS AND YOU HAVE TO PLAN NOT FOR TODAY, BUT FOR
5:04:55PM TOMORROW, ANOTHER THING I'VE NEVER DONE.
5:04:58PM I HAVE NEVER BOUGHT A NEW CAR.
5:04:59PM WHY?
5:05:01PM BECAUSE WHEN I DRIVE IT OUT, NO LONGER A NEW CAR.
5:05:05PM SO WHY SHOULD I BUY A NEW CAR?
5:05:08PM I HAVE NEVER SEEN A GOVERNMENT, INCLUDING THIS GOVERNMENT,
5:05:12PM GET A DEALER'S LICENSE AND GO TO THE AUCTION AND BUY
5:05:16PM WHATEVER YOU NEED, THAT HAS 6, 7, 8 THOUSAND MILES.
5:05:21PM SAME WARRANTY AS A NEW CAR.
5:05:23PM IF IT ENDS IN FIVE YEARS, IT WAS A YEAR OLD, YOU HAVE FOUR
5:05:26PM LEFT, SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?
5:05:28PM EVERY SIXTH CAR YOU BUY, YOU GET ONE FOR FREE.
5:05:32PM MAY HELP; MAY NOT HELP, BUT I'M NOT IN THAT DIVISION.
5:05:36PM I'M A COUNCIL MEMBER ON THE LEGISLATIVE SIDE, NOT ON THE
5:05:39PM ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE.
5:05:40PM WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE WAY WE DO BUSINESS IF YOU WANT TO
5:05:44PM SURVIVE IN THE ATMOSPHERE THAT WE'RE IN AND IN THE CRUNCH
5:05:46PM THAT WE'RE IN WITH THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WE HAVE COMING IN,
5:05:48PM WE CAN'T PUT A WALL AROUND THE CITY OF TAMPA, SO, WHOA, GO
5:05:52PM BACK HOME.
5:05:52PM DOESN'T WORK.
5:05:53PM WE HAVE TO DO WHAT WE NEED.
5:05:57PM WE NEED TO FIX THE FIRE STATION.
5:05:58PM WE NEED TO HAVE THE FIREFIGHTERS ON HAND.
5:06:00PM WE NEED THE POLICE STATION.
5:06:02PM WE NEED DIFFERENT THINGS TO HAPPEN.
5:06:03PM AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT FIRE STATION IN DOWNTOWN, WHEREVER
5:06:09PM IT'S AT, GOING TO BE ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR OF A PRETTY TALL
5:06:13PM BUILDING BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE CAN BUILD IT.
5:06:15PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
5:06:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
5:06:17PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR.
5:06:19PM MR. ROGERO, FIRST, LET ME START WITH GOING BACK TO FILE B
5:06:26PM 224 -- 2024-2 WHICH IS FOR YOU TO COME BACK WITH A REPORT TO
5:06:31PM ADDRESS THE POSSIBILITY OF THREE STATIONS FOR THIS FISCAL
5:06:36PM YEAR, 2024.
5:06:38PM IS THAT TRULY POSSIBLE WITH THIS BUDGET?
5:06:41PM IN YOUR OPINION.
5:06:46PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT'S POSSIBLE.
5:06:46PM THREE FIRE STATIONS DEPENDING UPON COUNCIL'S PRIORITIES,
5:06:53PM POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL REVENUES, WHICH I'M PREPARED TO TALK
5:06:55PM TO, AND POTENTIAL REDUCTIONS IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS
5:07:01PM POSSIBLE.
5:07:02PM OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IT WOULD BE CHALLENGING FINDING THE
5:07:06PM NECESSARY ADDITIONAL REVENUE AND THE NECESSARY -- OR THE
5:07:09PM NECESSARY FURTHER EXPENDITURE REDUCTIONS.
5:07:11PM BUT IT'S POSSIBLE.
5:07:12PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY.
5:07:13PM THANK YOU.
5:07:13PM WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE ALLOCATED $16 MILLION FOR NEW
5:07:18PM VEHICLES, IS THAT CORRECT?
5:07:19PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM.
5:07:20PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: $16 MILLION USING CIT FUNDS.
5:07:23PM WHY DID WE DO THAT?
5:07:24PM IT'S A BIG NUMBER, BUT THERE IS A REASON BEHIND IT, AND I
5:07:28PM THINK FOR THE PUBLIC AND FOR US, WE CAME UP WITH THAT FIGURE
5:07:31PM FOR A REASON, AND I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED.
5:07:33PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: CERTAINLY.
5:07:35PM CAN I SPEAK TO THAT.
5:07:36PM AGAIN, IT'S A QUESTION OF PRIORITIZATION.
5:07:38PM WE GENERALLY IN THE CITY ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT THIS
5:07:43PM DISCUSSION IS SPECIFIC TO PUBLIC SAFETY, WE HAVE AGED
5:07:47PM VEHICLES.
5:07:48PM WE'RE CONSTANTLY NEEDING TO REPLACE EXISTING VEHICLES AND
5:07:52PM THEN, OF COURSE, AS WE GET ADDITIONAL POSITIONS AS WE
5:07:55PM PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SERVICES, WHETHER IT'S PLACING -- WELL,
5:08:01PM I'LL POINT TO THE POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL POSITIONS ASSOCIATED
5:08:04PM WITH THE COPS AND THE SAFER GRANTS.
5:08:08PM ADDITIONAL VEHICLES OR NEW VEHICLES AND WE ALSO NEED TO
5:08:10PM REPLACE VEHICLES.
5:08:11PM DON'T QUOTE ME HERE, BUT OUR STANDARD REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE
5:08:16PM FOR POLICE SEDANS ARE NINE YEARS, I THINK.
5:08:20PM IT MAY BE EVEN MORE.
5:08:21PM AND AT ONE TIME, WE WERE SHOOTING FOR SEVEN.
5:08:24PM SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF VERY, VERY OLD VEHICLES OUT THERE.
5:08:28PM CHIEF TRIPP WILL TELL YOU, SHE HAS A NUMBER -- A VERY LARGE
5:08:33PM NUMBER OF AGED AMBULANCES, ENGINEERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
5:08:36PM AND SHE HAS TO NOT ONLY HAVE FRONT LINE ASSETS, BUT SHE HAS
5:08:40PM TO HAVE RESERVE ASSETS.
5:08:42PM SO THERE IS -- NOT ONLY IS THERE THE RELIABILITY ASSOCIATED
5:08:47PM WITH NEWER VEHICLES, BUT AS WE DISCUSSED BEFORE, THERE IS
5:08:50PM THE EVER-INCREASING AMOUNT IT COSTS TO MAINTAIN THESE
5:08:53PM VEHICLES.
5:08:54PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: TO MAINTAIN THEM.
5:08:56PM IT WAS REPORTED IN PRESENTATIONS PAST, I KNOW THIS IS A
5:08:59PM DIFFICULT CONVERSATION TO HAVE, BUT WHEN THE REPORT CAME
5:09:03PM BACK INITIALLY, CHIEF TRIPP, I KNOW YOU'RE STILL ONLINE SO I
5:09:09PM KNOW YOU'LL HAVE TO CHIME IN ON THIS, WANTS AND NEEDS OF
5:09:13PM FIRE STATIONS.
5:09:13PM HERE IS THE HARD PART.
5:09:14PM YES, I BELIEVE THAT WE DO NEED FIRE STATIONS.
5:09:17PM BUT WHEN THE REPORT WAS PRESENTED, WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO US
5:09:20PM IS THAT WE NEED TO RENOVATE AND IMPROVE THE FIRE STATIONS
5:09:25PM THAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
5:09:26PM WHEN CHIEF TRIPP MADE THE RECOMMENDATION, SHE DID NOT
5:09:28PM RECOMMEND THAT WE BUILD A FIRE STATION IN 2024.
5:09:31PM SHE DID NOT NEGATE THAT WE DID NOT NEED ANY, BUT SHE DID
5:09:36PM INDICATE THAT THERE WERE NONE.
5:09:37PM IS THAT CORRECT?
5:09:37PM THAT NONE FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR FOR 2024.
5:09:41PM IT WAS MORE SO BEEN RENOVATING AND REPAIRING WHAT WE HAVE.
5:09:45PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, BUT I WOULD DEFER
5:09:48PM TO THE FIRE CHIEF.
5:09:50PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: CHIEF TRIPP, YOU CAN COME ONLINE FOR THAT.
5:09:53PM THAT WAS NOT A GENERAL REPORT.
5:09:54PM IT WAS SOMETHING WE PAID FOR AND IT WAS RECOMMENDED.
5:09:56PM I KNOW THAT LOCAL 754, THAT WAS A HARD PILL TO SWALLOW AND
5:10:01PM FOR HIM TO HEAR THAT, BUT THAT DATA JUST DIDN'T COME FROM
5:10:04PM OUT OF ANYWHERE.
5:10:05PM THERE WAS A STUDY DONE THAT PROVIDED US WITH THIS
5:10:10PM INFORMATION.
5:10:10PM CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT FOR THE PUBLIC, PLEASE?
5:10:14PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: ARE YOU REFERRING TO MY INITIAL PRESENTATION
5:10:18PM ABOUT UPDATING THE STATIONS?
5:10:20PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YEAH, THE STATIONS IN TERMS OF NOT
5:10:25PM BUILDING A FIRE STATION THIS FISCAL YEAR, BUT REPAIRING AND
5:10:30PM UPDATING THE STATIONS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
5:10:33PM WASN'T THAT WHAT THE REPORT SAID?
5:10:35PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: ACCORDING TO WHAT I'VE BEEN PRESENTING EACH
5:10:38PM TIME I COME TO THE COUNCIL I ALWAYS TALK ABOUT REBUILD,
5:10:41PM REMODEL, OR RENOVATE THE STATIONS.
5:10:43PM SO BASED ON THE NEEDS.
5:10:45PM NOW, IF WE TALK ABOUT EMERGENCY NEEDS, ONCE AGAIN, IT WOULD
5:10:48PM BE NICE IF WE COULD REMODEL ALL THE STATIONS, BUT SOME OF
5:10:51PM THEM ARE IN CONDITIONS WHERE THEY NEED TO BE REBUILT.
5:10:54PM AS FAR AS STATION 24, THAT WAS IN, WHEN I SAY PRIOR BUDGETS
5:10:58PM AND, OF COURSE, I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT THIS YEAR
5:11:01PM BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING THE MONEY WAS THERE TO GO AHEAD AND
5:11:03PM MOVE FORWARD AND WASN'T PART OF THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.
5:11:07PM OBVIOUSLY I SEE I NEED TO INCLUDE THAT EVERY YEAR SO WE CAN
5:11:10PM GET ADDITIONAL FUNDING.
5:11:11PM BUT MY PRESENTATION HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO REBUILD, UPDATE,
5:11:15PM REMODEL THE ONES THAT ARE FEASIBLE AND ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE A
5:11:22PM REMODELING.
5:11:22PM SOME ARE NOT.
5:11:24PM SOME ARE IN CONDITION WHERE THEY NEED TO BE REBUILT.
5:11:28PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU FOR THAT.
5:11:29PM JUST FOR ME BEING ON COUNCIL, EVEN IF WE FOUND THE FUNDING
5:11:33PM FOR FIRE STATIONS THIS YEAR, ONE, TWO, OR EVEN POSSIBLY
5:11:37PM THREE AS REQUESTED IN THIS FEASIBILITY REPORT COMING BACK TO
5:11:41PM STAFF, EVEN IF WE DID, WHAT YEAR WOULD THOSE FIRE STATIONS
5:11:45PM BE DONE?
5:11:46PM IS THAT A CONSTRUCTION SERVICES QUESTION?
5:11:49PM BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME AS THOUGH IT TAKES QUITE A BIT OF
5:11:52PM TIME.
5:11:52PM IT'S TAKING YEARS TO BUILD FAIR OAKS.
5:11:55PM TAKING YEARS TO BUILD ROME YARD.
5:11:57PM IT'S TAKING YEARS TO BUILD OUR MAJOR PROJECTS.
5:12:01PM SO HOW POSSIBLY COULD WE PUT MONEY TOGETHER FAST ENOUGH TO
5:12:07PM GET FIRE STATIONS DONE IMMEDIATELY?
5:12:09PM HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN, CONSTRUCTION SERVICES, PLEASE.
5:12:15PM WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS HONE IN ON THE REALITY OF, I'M NOT
5:12:18PM SAYING WE DON'T NEED THE FIRE STATIONS, BUT EVEN IF WE PUT
5:12:21PM THEM IN THE BUDGET, IT WILL TAKE 22 MONTHS TO BUILD FAIR
5:12:24PM OAKS PARK.
5:12:25PM SO THAT IS IN 2026, RIGHT?
5:12:27PM AND WE'RE IN 2023 RIGHT NOW.
5:12:29PM SO WHEN WOULD A FIRE STATION GET DONE IF WE HAD THE MONEY?
5:12:37PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY.
5:12:39PM THE REASON I WOULD BE OFFERING THAT ESTIMATE IS OUR CONTRACT
5:12:44PM ADMINISTRATION DEPARTMENT, WHICH MANAGES ALL OF OUR
5:12:46PM CONSTRUCTION IN THE CITY, WHETHER IT'S NEW VERTICAL OR
5:12:50PM HORIZONTAL, THEY WOULD BE ASSISTING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN
5:12:55PM THIS ENDEAVOR TO BUILD ONE OR MORE FIRE STATIONS.
5:12:57PM I WOULD JUST ESTIMATE TWO TO THREE YEARS FOR ANY -- BEFORE
5:13:02PM ANY RIBBON CUTTING WOULD TAKE PLACE.
5:13:04PM THERE IS A LOT OF WORK TO DO AGAIN FOR SITE IDENTIFICATION,
5:13:06PM IF SITES ARE NOT AVAILABLE CURRENTLY.
5:13:09PM APPRAISALS AND PURCHASING OF THOSE SITES.
5:13:11PM THEN THERE IS A SITE ANALYSIS THAT LEADS INTO A DESIGN WITH
5:13:17PM PERMITTING.
5:13:17PM AND THEN PROCURING OF THOSE DIFFERENT PHASES, EACH
5:13:21PM PROCUREMENT IS AT LEAST FOUR MONTHS.
5:13:23PM PROCURING FOR THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION IS FOUR TO SIX MONTHS.
5:13:26PM AND THEN THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE.
5:13:28PM THIS IS TYPICAL OF ANY CAPITAL PROJECT.
5:13:32PM THE MONEY IS OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS FOR MOST CAPITAL
5:13:35PM PROJECTS.
5:13:35PM IT DOESN'T GO IN OCTOBER 1st.
5:13:37PM IT GETS SPENT BY SEPTEMBER 29 -- SEPTEMBER 30, EXCUSE ME, AS
5:13:42PM I'M SURE YOU'RE ALL AWARE.
5:13:44PM I WANT TO REITERATE THAT FOR THE PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE.
5:13:47PM HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
5:13:48PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES, IT DOES.
5:13:49PM EVEN FOR THE PUBLIC, THE EMOTION AND THE URGENCY FOR
5:13:52PM WANTING, NEEDING FIRE STATIONS IN REALITY WOULD STILL TAKE
5:13:57PM YEARS TO GET A FIRE STATION.
5:13:59PM AND WE'RE IN A BUDGET CRISIS OF CUTTING $45 MILLION.
5:14:03PM SO I WOULD SAY TO THIS, IS THAT JUST LIKE WE'VE DEFERRED AND
5:14:08PM WE'RE PUTTING THINGS DOWN THE ROAD, KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE
5:14:12PM ROAD FOR SO MANY THINGS, HOUSING, PARKS AND RECREATION,
5:14:16PM TRANSPORTATION, IT SEEMS TO ME AS THOUGH FIRE WOULD BE
5:14:22PM FALLING INTO THAT SAME CATEGORY BASED ON THE FACT THAT THE
5:14:26PM FUNDING IS SIMPLY NOT THERE.
5:14:28PM AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT IT CAN'T BE A FUTURE PROJECT OR
5:14:32PM IF WE COME BACK AND OUR PUBLIC IS MORE EDUCATED ABOUT WHAT
5:14:37PM IT IS THAT WE REALLY NEED AND HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST,
5:14:40PM BECAUSE THE REALITY IS THAT THINGS COST MONEY, AND WE GOT TO
5:14:44PM FIND IT FROM SOMEWHERE.
5:14:46PM THE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY IS WE'RE PRESENTED WITH A
5:14:52PM SCORECARD BY A COUNCIL MEMBER.
5:14:54PM ONE OF THE KEY THINGS I ACTUALLY TOOK A PICTURE OF IT, IT
5:14:57PM TALKED ABOUT INEQUITY.
5:14:59PM SO THAT WOULD EVEN, MAYBE YOU SHOULD COME BACK UP FROM
5:15:03PM CONSTRUCTION SERVICES.
5:15:04PM IS THAT EVEN IN THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS FUNDING, THE
5:15:14PM STAFFING OF EVEN CONSTRUCTION SERVICES WOULD STRUGGLE
5:15:18PM BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY PROJECTS, AND HOW WOULD THAT FIT
5:15:23PM INTO EVEN ADDING MORE PROJECTS AND WE'RE LOOKING AT A BUDGET
5:15:28PM WHERE THERE IS A POSSIBILITY, MAYBE DEPENDING ON THE
5:15:31PM PLEASURE OF WHO IS UP HERE ON THE DAIS AND HOW WE VOTE IN
5:15:36PM TERMS OF THAT AND THE COST OF PEOPLE THAT WE WOULD NEED TO
5:15:40PM DEAL WITH IT FROM A CONSTRUCTION SERVICE STANDPOINT, BECAUSE
5:15:43PM IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE FIRE STATION.
5:15:46PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: JEAN DUNCAN, ADMINISTRATOR FOR INFRASTRUCTURE
5:15:50PM AND MOBILITY.
5:15:51PM ANY CAPITAL PROJECT THAT WE DO, WE'RE LOOKING AHEAD TO NOT
5:15:54PM ONLY THE FUNDING OF THE PROJECT, BUT THE FUTURE OPERATION
5:15:57PM AND MAINTENANCE.
5:15:58PM SO FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, AS I MENTIONED, THE
5:16:01PM CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION, EXCUSE ME,
5:16:04PM CONSTRUCTION SERVICES IS WHAT WE CONSIDER THE PERMITTING
5:16:07PM GROUP UNDER NICOLE TRAVIS, JUST TO KIND OF GET THE LINGO A
5:16:12PM LITTLE STRAIGHT.
5:16:13PM BUT THE CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION WOULD BE ASSISTING WITH THE
5:16:17PM PROCUREMENT AND TO A CERTAIN LEVEL CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT,
5:16:21PM THE FACILITY MANAGEMENT TEAM WOULD ALSO BE ASSISTING WITH
5:16:25PM VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE THEY WOULD OWN THE OPERATION
5:16:28PM AND MAINTENANCE OF THE FACILITY GOING FORWARD.
5:16:30PM SO EVERY PROJECT THERE IS A PROJECTION ON STAFFING AND
5:16:35PM WORKLOAD, AND WHETHER THAT WORKLOAD IS SUSTAINED WHERE WE
5:16:38PM NEED ACTUAL FTEs OR THE WORKLOAD IS A CONSULTANT-BASED
5:16:44PM NEED IN TERMS OF SUPPORTING THE PROJECT THROUGH ITS
5:16:47PM COMPLETION AND THEN THE CITY CAN TAKE ON OPERATION AND
5:16:51PM MANAGEMENT WITH THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE.
5:16:52PM SO THERE'S A CONSTANT CHECKING OF WORKLOAD IMPACTS, MANPOWER
5:16:59PM LOADING, AND THE BEST METHOD FOR ACCOMMODATING THAT WORKLOAD
5:17:03PM UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES AND DEPENDING ON THE TIME FRAME OF
5:17:06PM THINGS.
5:17:07PM VERY GENERAL ANSWER.
5:17:09PM PROBABLY AS SPECIFIC AS I CAN BE WITH THIS PARTICULAR
5:17:13PM QUESTION.
5:17:14PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY.
5:17:15PM I APPRECIATE THAT.
5:17:17PM I WON'T BELABOR THE POINT BUT I THINK I'LL CLOSE.
5:17:20PM THANK YOU, MS. DUNCAN.
5:17:23PM ABOUT CIT FUNDS BECAUSE OF THE PUBLIC OUTPUT ABOUT CIT FUNDS
5:17:29PM AND PAYING FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS.
5:17:31PM SOME PEOPLE ARE BANKING ON THAT AS A WAY OF US ADDRESSING
5:17:37PM CAPITAL PROJECTS, SO MAYBE YOU CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT, MR.
5:17:40PM ROGERO.
5:17:41PM BUT WE KNOW THAT CIT IS EXPIRING AND IT'S ACTUALLY A GAMBLE
5:17:47PM TO EXPECT THAT A CONSERVATIVE COUNTY COMMISSION WILL PUT IT
5:17:51PM BACK ON THE BALLOT TO EVEN VOTE FOR IT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT
5:17:54PM SOME PEOPLE ARE HOPING FOR, THAT WE'LL HAVE THOSE FUNDS THAT
5:17:57PM WE'VE HAD FOR 30 YEARS, AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY TRUE.
5:18:00PM IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAKEUP OF OUR COUNTY COMMISSION, THAT
5:18:04PM THEY DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT.
5:18:06PM AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT IN
5:18:12PM EVERYONE'S HEAD THAT THAT IS A POSSIBILITY BECAUSE IT'S A
5:18:17PM TAX YOU'RE USED TO PAYING FOR SO THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY
5:18:22PM HURT YOU OVER A MILLAGE.
5:18:24PM THE OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY, THOSE TRADITIONAL FUNDING
5:18:27PM STREAMS ARE GONE, LIKE THE GAS TAX AND THE COMMERCIAL TAX,
5:18:30PM THINGS THAT WE HAVE RELIED ON.
5:18:32PM AND GOING BACK TO THE SCORECARD, THERE'S ALREADY SOME
5:18:38PM INEQUITY IN OUR CITY, SO IF YOU WANT TO CUT -- THAT IS WHY I
5:18:43PM SAID LET'S JUST LEAVE THE BUDGET AS IS AND TAKE OUT THE
5:18:47PM THINGS THAT WE ASKED FOR FOR THE MILLAGE, BECAUSE THE
5:18:51PM INEQUITY THAT ALREADY EXISTS HAS TO ALREADY BE IMPROVED.
5:18:55PM AND I'M NOT WILLING TO TAKE THE FOOD OFF THE TABLE OF ONE
5:19:03PM CITY EMPLOYEE FOR ANYTHING, EVEN A FIRE STATION.
5:19:09PM THANK YOU.
5:19:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:19:10PM MR. ROGERO, WHILE YOU'RE UP THERE, JUST A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS
5:19:14PM AND QUESTIONS BEFORE I ASK COUNCIL MEMBERS IF THEY WANT TO
5:19:19PM ADD ON.
5:19:19PM BUT I'M LOOKING AT PUBLIC SAFETY AND I'M LOOKING AT HOUSING
5:19:23PM AND WHAT THE MILLAGE INCREASE WOULD HAVE GONE TO.
5:19:27PM 9.5 MILLION AND 9.1 MILLION.
5:19:29PM HOW DO WE GET THERE TO MEET THAT.
5:19:32PM SO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK PASSED AROUND A PIECE OF PAPER THAT
5:19:37PM CAME FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND EVERYBODY GOT IT.
5:19:39PM I CAN SUBMIT IT TO THE RECORD.
5:19:42PM BUT REGARDING SALARY INCREASES, SO TOTAL, THIS IS ONLY
5:19:50PM COLLECTIVE BARGAINING, WHICH THAT'S OFF THE TABLE.
5:19:53PM THAT IS A DOLLAR AMOUNT.
5:19:54PM BUT THE TOTAL SALARY INCREASES INCLUDING ALL CITY EMPLOYEES
5:19:57PM IS $28.5 MILLION.
5:20:00PM DEDUCTED FROM THOSE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING FOLKS, WHICH I'M
5:20:04PM NOT TOUCHING, BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR CONTRACTS AND
5:20:06PM OBLIGATIONS, THAT GIVES US THE $6.3 MILLION DIFFERENCE.
5:20:10PM THAT MEANS WE'RE NOT DOING -- IS THAT ANY PAY RAISES OR IS
5:20:13PM THAT BEYOND THE 3%?
5:20:16PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THAT -- NO, THAT'S ANY.
5:20:18PM THAT'S ANY.
5:20:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ZERO PAY RAISES, WHICH MEANS WE'RE NOT
5:20:24PM LAYING OFF ANYBODY.
5:20:25PM EVERYBODY KEEPS THEIR JOB, BUT NO PAY RAISES.
5:20:27PM WE WOULD HAVE $6.3 MILLION.
5:20:30PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THAT'S CORRECT.
5:20:31PM JUST ONE CAVEAT THERE, OF COURSE.
5:20:32PM AGAIN, THAT'S WITHOUT -- THAT'S EXCLUDING MEMBERS OF THE
5:20:37PM UNIONS, BUT WE HAVE NO AGREEMENT WITH THE UNIONS.
5:20:42PM WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF WAGE NEGOTIATIONS.
5:20:43PM SO THOSE NUMBERS ARE ONLY WHAT IS IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET.
5:20:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
5:20:47PM BUT I'M NOT TOUCHING THAT NUMBER BECAUSE THAT'S AN
5:20:50PM UNOFFICIAL NUMBER, LET'S SAY.
5:20:51PM THERE'S $6.3 MILLION THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE UNIONS.
5:20:56PM I KNOW IT'S NOT POPULAR TO TALK ABOUT OUR RESERVES, BUT WE
5:21:01PM HAVE A VERY HEALTHY RESERVE BALANCE THANKS TO YOU AND YOUR
5:21:04PM TEAM BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN VERY GOOD AT SAVING MONEY FOR THAT
5:21:09PM RAINY DAY.
5:21:09PM AND I THINK THAT RAINY DAY IS HERE.
5:21:11PM IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT TAKING FROM OUR RESERVES AT 1%, I
5:21:17PM WOULD ASSUME, I WOULD THINK IT'S MAYBE $6 MILLION, $5
5:21:21PM MILLION.
5:21:22PM LET'S SAY IT'S $6 MILLION.
5:21:23PM 6 MILLION PLUS THE 6.3 MILLION WOULD GIVE US RIGHT OVER $12
5:21:27PM MILLION.
5:21:29PM AND THAT WOULD GO TOWARDS, IN MY OPINION, WE COULD PUT THAT
5:21:31PM TOWARDS, BECAUSE FROM WHAT I HEAR, THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND
5:21:35PM HOUSING ARE THE TWO MOST IMPORTANT ITEMS, AND I AGREE WITH
5:21:38PM THAT.
5:21:39PM THAT PUTS US AT A $6 MILLION GIVE OR TAKE SHORTFALL TO MEET
5:21:45PM THE NEEDS OF THAT 9.5 MILLION IN PUBLIC SAFETY AND 9.1
5:21:48PM MILLION IN HOUSING.
5:21:49PM NOW, THERE'S ALSO TRANSPORTATION AND PARKS AND REC.
5:21:52PM BUT I'M LOOKING AT WHAT I CONSIDER THE TWO MOST PRESSING
5:21:55PM NEEDS RIGHT NOW -- HOUSING AND PUBLIC SAFETY.
5:21:57PM WE WOULD NEED TO FIND -- AND THIS IS GOING FURTHER INTO
5:22:02PM DISCUSSION, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER 2 -- $6 MILLION IN ORDER TO
5:22:05PM MEET THOSE OBLIGATIONS.
5:22:07PM AND I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT TAKING FROM THE RESERVES.
5:22:11PM HOWEVER, THAT CRA THING THAT I KEEP TALKING ABOUT BY THE
5:22:16PM POLICE, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS COMING BACK AT A FUTURE CRA
5:22:18PM MEETING, I THINK OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER, WE CAN TAKE -- LET'S
5:22:24PM SAY WE BUY THE POLICE STATION BUILDING FOR $30 MILLION AND
5:22:28PM THAT'S CRA MONEY THAT WE CAN PUT TOWARDS THAT, THAT I'D LIKE
5:22:30PM TO TAKE THAT PROPERTY AND BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
5:22:33PM PERHAPS PUT A FIRE STATION ON THE FIRST FLOOR, CRA MONEY.
5:22:36PM THAT WOULD BE $30 MILLION THAT WOULD BE FREED UP FOR THE
5:22:41PM GENERAL FUND.
5:22:42PM WE COULD PERHAPS PAY A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT WE TOOK FROM THE
5:22:44PM RESERVES OUT OF THAT 30 MILLION, PUT IT BACK BECAUSE I KNOW
5:22:47PM SOME PEOPLE HAVE RESERVATIONS ON TAKING OUT OF THE RESERVES,
5:22:51PM BUT I'M JUST THINKING, IF WE WERE TO TAKE JUST THAT 1%, AND
5:22:54PM I KNOW THE CREDIT AND BOND RATINGS ARE VERY FINICKY, JUST
5:22:58PM LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT FICO SCORES ARE VERY SENSITIVE AND HOW
5:23:01PM PEOPLE'S CREDIT SCORES GO UP AND DOWN EVEN IF THEY HAVE NO
5:23:04PM DEBT, LITTLE BIT OR PAY ON TIME.
5:23:06PM HOWEVER, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD AFFECT THE CITY THAT MUCH BY
5:23:09PM TAKING 1%.
5:23:10PM IT'S OUR MONEY.
5:23:11PM WE ARE MEETING THE MINIMUM 20, 21 PERCENT THAT WE NEED TO BE
5:23:12PM AT FOR THE RESERVES, BUT IN THIS SITUATION WHERE WE HAVEN'T
5:23:18PM RAISED THE MILLAGE, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO RAISE THE
5:23:20PM MILLAGE, I THINK -- BECAUSE I'VE SEEN PAST MAYORS DO IT.
5:23:24PM I KNOW MAYOR IORIO WAS VERY GOOD AT SETTING MONEY AWAY FOR A
5:23:28PM RAINY DAY, AND MAYOR BUCKHORN I BELIEVE DID -- YOU KNOW, WE
5:23:31PM DID TAKE MONEY FROM THE RESERVES.
5:23:33PM IT'S OKAY TO DO SO, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD HELP US GET
5:23:36PM 6 MILLION PLUS NO SALARY INCREASES, ANOTHER 6 MILLION.
5:23:41PM IT'S THAT 12 MILLION THAT'S GETTING US CLOSER TO THE GOAL OF
5:23:45PM AT LEAST ADDRESSING THE PROPOSED DOLLAR AMOUNTS IN THAT
5:23:48PM PUBLIC SAFETY AND IN THAT HOUSING, WHICH, AGAIN, I'LL CLOSE
5:23:51PM WITH, THOSE ARE THE TWO MOST PRESSING ITEMS.
5:23:54PM AM I WRONG IN ANYTHING THAT I'VE SAID?
5:24:00PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, BUT ONLY BECAUSE I BELIEVE I LED YOU
5:24:03PM ASTRAY.
5:24:03PM THE $6 MILLION OF NONUNION CITYWIDE.
5:24:08PM BUDGET OFFICER JUST REMINDED, IT'S NOT GENERAL FUND.
5:24:11PM I HAVE SOME SLIDES UNDER THE NEXT ITEM WHERE PERHAPS I CAN
5:24:19PM LEVEL SET AS TO WHERE WE'RE AT.
5:24:21PM TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT, OUT OF BALANCE BY 45 MILLION IN
5:24:26PM THE BUDGET, IT'S A $1.9 BILLION BUDGET, BUT THE OUT OF
5:24:30PM BALANCE ISN'T SOLELY IN THE GENERAL FUND.
5:24:33PM SO THAT IS SOLELY THE FUND THAT WE CAN DEAL WITH.
5:24:37PM SO WE WILL -- IN CALCULATING, TO USE YOUR EXAMPLE,
5:24:43PM SEPARATING OUT THE UNION OR THE NONUNION MEMBERS, EXCUSE ME,
5:24:46PM WILL GAIN US SOMETHING, BUT WON'T GAIN US 6.3.
5:24:50PM THAT'S CITYWIDE.
5:24:51PM I JUST WANT TO PROVIDE AN ACCURATE FIGURE.
5:24:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
5:24:53PM BUT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY THERE, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER MAY
5:24:56PM BE.
5:24:56PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY.
5:24:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AGAIN, I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT OUR
5:24:59PM RESERVES BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE POSITION NOW WE HAVEN'T RAISED
5:25:02PM THE MILLAGE.
5:25:02PM WE'RE NOT RAISING THE MILLAGE AND I THINK THIS WOULD BE THE
5:25:06PM OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE LOOK AT THAT.
5:25:07PM REMEMBER, NEXT YEAR, MOVING FORWARD, WE'RE GOING TO SEE
5:25:10PM INCREASED REVENUE AND WHAT WE SAW, 13% INCREASE FROM LAST
5:25:14PM YEAR TO THIS YEAR, I DON'T THINK THE HOUSING MARKET IS GOING
5:25:17PM TO COOL IN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS.
5:25:18PM IT MAY ADJUST A LITTLE BIT.
5:25:20PM INFLATION MAY ADJUST ITSELF, REDUCE ITSELF A LITTLE BIT, BUT
5:25:22PM TAMPA IS IN SUCH DEMAND AND WE'RE SEEING SO MUCH COMING ON
5:25:25PM THE BOOKS THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE, LET'S SAY IT'S 10%
5:25:28PM INCREASE NEXT YEAR.
5:25:29PM WE'RE GOING TO SEE CONTINUED FUNDS COMING IN AND THEN THE
5:25:33PM CRA DISCUSSION WE'LL HAVE AT THE CRA BOARD.
5:25:35PM BUT WE CAN MEET MANY OF OUR GOALS WITHOUT CUTTING THE
5:25:41PM ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY ITEMS, WHICH, AGAIN, ARE PUBLIC SAFETY
5:25:43PM AND HOUSING AND PERHAPS WE CAN -- THIS WOULD LEAD US ON THE
5:25:48PM PATH OF GETTING TO THAT GOAL.
5:25:51PM WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK?
5:25:52PM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN AND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, COUNCIL MEMBER
5:25:56PM VIERA.
5:25:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OF COURSE, WE DO.
5:25:58PM WE'RE POLITICIANS.
5:25:59PM AND WE HAVE A MIKE IN FRONT OF US.
5:26:01PM A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS.
5:26:02PM ONE, RIGHT NOW, THIS COUNCIL, NOT THAT LONG AGO, I THINK
5:26:07PM UNANIMOUSLY SUPPORTED ADDING THE 1.5 MILLION, WHICH
5:26:11PM INCORPORATED INTO THE BUDGET FOR THE DESIGN PHASE OF FIRE
5:26:17PM STATION 24.
5:26:18PM TO ME, THAT'S AN OBLIGATION.
5:26:20PM YOU GOT TO START SOMEWHERE, AND THAT SEEMS TO BE A VERY FAIR
5:26:25PM WITH BALANCING OUT THESE NEEDS.
5:26:27PM IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'LL FIGHT FOR TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT
5:26:30PM STAYS IN THE BUDGET AS WE MOVE FORWARD AS A CITY.
5:26:33PM YOU'VE GOT TO START SOMEWHERE, AND IN '25 AND '26, WE CAN
5:26:37PM ADD OTHERS, HOPEFULLY AS FUNDING BECOMES AVAILABLE.
5:26:40PM BUT YOU GOT TO START SOMEWHERE.
5:26:42PM WE ALL UNANIMOUSLY SUPPORTED THAT.
5:26:44PM I BELIEVE IT WAS UNANIMOUS, THE 1.5 MILLION.
5:26:46PM IT'S THERE.
5:26:47PM WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT'S -- I THOUGHT WE JUST DID THAT ONE.
5:26:52PM VIERA INTRODUCED THE MOTION.
5:26:53PM WE DID THAT IN THE LAST MEETING.
5:26:57PM MAYBE WE REITERATED IT.
5:26:58PM LET'S SEE.
5:27:04PM WHERE DO I START?
5:27:05PM RESERVES.
5:27:05PM I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY, AND, BY THE WAY, I THINK WE'LL
5:27:08PM GO INTO RESERVES.
5:27:10PM I THINK IT'S A FAIT ACCOMPLI.
5:27:12PM WE'RE GOING INTO THE RESERVES.
5:27:14PM I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT IS A ONE TIME.
5:27:16PM WE GET ONE BITE OF THE APPLE, SO WE GO INTO THE RESERVES
5:27:18PM THIS TIME, GUESS WHAT, IN 2025 WE'RE RIGHT BACK HERE CHASING
5:27:23PM THE SAME SQUIRREL TRYING TO FIND MONEY SOMEWHERE AND WE
5:27:26PM ALREADY SPENT WHATEVER IS THERE.
5:27:27PM I THINK WE KIND OF PAINTED OURSELVES IN A CORNER THAT WE
5:27:30PM DON'T HAVE ANY CHOICE.
5:27:30PM WE'LL CUT INTO THE RESERVES.
5:27:32PM IT'S JUST HOW MUCH WE'LL CUT INTO THE RESERVES I THINK IS
5:27:35PM THE QUESTION.
5:27:35PM IF WE'RE GOING TO OPERATE -- IF PEOPLE WANT US TO OPERATE
5:27:39PM LIKE A BUSINESS OR HAVE A BUSINESS MINDSET AND DEALING WITH
5:27:42PM THE DOLLAR FIGURES WE'RE TALKING, WE REALLY NEED TO START
5:27:44PM OPERATING LIKE A BUSINESS.
5:27:45PM I THINK WE'RE GOING TO CUT SOME OF THE SALARY INCREASES AND
5:27:49PM THE COST ESCALATIONS, ESPECIALLY IN SOME OF THE AREAS WHERE
5:27:52PM WE CAN, BUT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT SOME OF THE COST
5:27:56PM ESCALATION IN SALARIES IS PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT,
5:27:59PM PERFORMANCE-BASED MERIT INCREASES, STEP-BASED MERIT
5:28:02PM INCREASES, AND I THINK AS ANY GOOD BUSINESS, EVEN THOUGH
5:28:05PM THEY ARE NOT COVERED BY LABOR, IT IS AN AGREEMENT THAT WE
5:28:07PM HAVE WITH OUR EMPLOYEES ABOUT THEIR CONDITION OF EMPLOYMENT
5:28:11PM THAT IF THEY REACH CERTAIN METRICS THAT THEY COULD EXPECT
5:28:15PM THESE TYPES OF RAISES, AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE
5:28:18PM HAVE TO SHIELD AND WE HAVE TO RESPECT THAT OF OUR CITY
5:28:21PM EMPLOYEES THAT IF THEY ARE MEETING THE METRICS OF THEIR JOB
5:28:24PM AND THEY ARE PERFORMING AND MEETING THAT, THEN WE SHOULD
5:28:26PM MEET OUR OBLIGATION TO THEM AS AN EMPLOYER.
5:28:30PM AND SO I THINK AS WE LOOK AT THESE DECREASES IN BUDGETS, WE
5:28:35PM NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SHIELD THAT AS WELL.
5:28:37PM SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF I THINK WE CAN TALK ABOUT.
5:28:39PM POLICE STATION.
5:28:42PM I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THIS.
5:28:43PM I KNOW, CHAIRMAN, YOU BRING THIS UP A LOT.
5:28:46PM A LOT OF TIMES, AGAIN, WE START ACTING LIKE A BUSINESS.
5:28:49PM THE BEST USE OF THE PROPERTY, THE CITY DOES OWN OTHER
5:28:52PM PROPERTIES THAT WE CAN USE THINGS FOR.
5:28:53PM I THINK THAT WE ARE GOING TO -- WE ARE GOING TO SELL THAT
5:28:56PM PROPERTY EVENTUALLY AND USE THAT MONEY TO REBUILD A POLICE
5:28:59PM STATION SOMEWHERE ELSE.
5:29:00PM I HOPE THAT WE RETAIN THE PARKING GARAGE FOR THE CITY AND
5:29:04PM JUST PARLAY THE USE OF THE BIG BLUE BUILDING.
5:29:06PM BUT, AGAIN, IN A BUSINESS MODEL, WHILE IT MAY LOOK LIKE FREE
5:29:10PM MONEY, IT'S NOT FREE MONEY.
5:29:11PM THE MONEY'S BEST USE IS TAKING THAT MONEY, PARLAYING IT IN
5:29:15PM CONSTRUCTING THE NEW POLICE STATION SOMEWHERE ELSE.
5:29:18PM IF EXCESS FUNDS, GREAT.
5:29:20PM I GUARANTEE YOU WE'LL FIND A WAY TO SPEND THEM.
5:29:22PM THE BEST USE IS TO TURN THAT INTO A PRIVATE ON THE TAX ROLL
5:29:28PM PIECE OF PROPERTY BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO COMMAND PREMIUM
5:29:32PM PRICES AND IT'S GOING TO BE A HIGHER RETURN ON INVESTMENT
5:29:34PM FOR THE TAXPAYERS IF WE TURN THAT INTO TAX-PAYING PROPERTY.
5:29:39PM AND I THINK I JUST COVERED ALL THE THINGS I WANTED TO.
5:29:42PM THANK YOU.
5:29:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:29:43PM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
5:29:45PM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
05:29:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
05:29:52PM I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO NUMBER ONE, THE FIRE STATIONS.
05:29:57PM WE MAY NOT HAVE MONEY FOR THREE FIRE STATIONS BUT WE
05:30:03PM CERTAINLY HAVE MONEY FOR ONE.
05:30:04PM THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A PUBLIC SAFETY PRIORITY FOR ALL OF US.
05:30:08PM SO I AM -- I AM GOING TO SAY THAT I WOULD -- I KNOW WE CAN'T
05:30:13PM MAKE MOTIONS, BUT I REALLY THINK THAT WE SHOULD TAKE $11
05:30:18PM MILLION FROM THAT CIT AND PUT IT TOWARD FIRE STATION 24,
05:30:23PM LIKE JUST DO IT.
05:30:24PM FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT THE LAND, BUT WE
05:30:28PM HAVE THE LAND.
05:30:28PM WE HAVE A SITE PLAN.
05:30:29PM WE CAN WORK WITH THAT WITH THE $1.5 MILLION WE HAVE AND WE
05:30:34PM CAN EXPEDITE THIS.
05:30:36PM I KNOW IT WILL TAKE TWO TO THREE YEARS BUT EVERYTHING WILL
05:30:39PM TAKE TWO OR THREE YEARS.
05:30:40PM WE NEED TO GET STARTED.
05:30:42PM WE OWE OUR FIRE FIGHTERS A NEW STATION IN STATION 24.
05:30:45PM THAT STILL LEAVES $5 MILLION FOR VEHICLES.
05:30:49PM AND THEN -- I MEAN, I THINK, THAT -- TO ME, THAT SPA PRETTY
05:30:54PM GOOD PLACE TO START.
05:30:55PM SO I AM JUST GOING -- THAT IS MY IDEA.
05:30:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN I RESPOND TO THAT?
05:31:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT.
05:31:02PM VIERA, HENDERSON.
05:31:03PM WE HAVE TO GO IN ORDER.
05:31:04PM VIERA.
05:31:05PM >>LUIS VIERA: IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT.
05:31:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WANT TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT.
05:31:09PM WE ARE ALLOCATING THE DESIGN WHICH IS WHAT THE NEED IS IN
05:31:13PM FISCAL YEAR '24.
05:31:15PM >> WE HAVE A DESIGN, IT IS ALREADY DONE.
05:31:16PM I HAVE SEEN IT.
05:31:18PM I HAVE SEEN THE SITE PLAN.
05:31:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ACCORDING THE BUDGET AND THE CHIEF, THAT
05:31:22PM IS WHAT THEY NEED TO DO THIS YEAR.
05:31:24PM AS FAR AS MONEY NEEDED FOR CONSTRUCTION, THAT CAN BE -- THAT
05:31:28PM -- WHEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE THAT MONEY WON'T BE IN '24.
05:31:32PM IT WILL BE IN '25, AM I CORRECT?
05:31:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK WE CAN DO IT IN '24.
05:31:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL DEFER TO THE EXPERTS FOR THAT.
05:31:40PM CAN WE PUT A SHOVEL ON THE GROUND IN '24?
05:31:44PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE CONSTRUCTION TIME
05:31:46PM FRAMES.
05:31:46PM ALL I CAN SPEAK TO IS THE FUNDING AND THE AVAILABILITY OF
05:31:49PM THE FUND WILLING.
05:31:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA AND HENDERSON.
05:31:55PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, I APPRECIATE THAT.
05:32:00PM THAT IS WHEN UP TALKED ABOUT BONDING IN OCTOBER AND
05:32:05PM NOVEMBER.
05:32:05PM WHEN IT COMES TO THE RESERVES, WE HAVE TO APPROACH WITH --
05:32:09PM BE VERY CAREFUL IN THAT REGARD AND MAKE SURE TO RELY ON
05:32:12PM EXPERTS.
05:32:13PM NOT JUST SOMETHING -- NOTHING IS FREE.
05:32:16PM NOTHING IS FREE.
05:32:17PM NOT LIKE YOU CAN GO -- HEY, LET'S TAKE ALL THIS MONEY WITH
05:32:20PM NO REPERCUSSIONS.
05:32:23PM THERE IS ALWAYS GRAY.
05:32:24PM THERE IS ALWAYS RISK.
05:32:25PM WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BEFORE WE TAKE FUNDS OUT, WE
05:32:28PM MEASURE HOW MUCH WE ARE GOING TO TAKE OUT AND WHAT THE
05:32:31PM FINANCIAL RISKS OF THAT IS.
05:32:33PM I AM AN ATTORNEY AND I AM AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.
05:32:35PM I AM NOT A FINANCIAL EXPERT AND I WILL RELY ON THE EXPERTS
05:32:38PM IN THAT REGARD, BUT I SALUTE THE CHAIRMAN FOR TALKING ABOUT
05:32:42PM THAT, AS WELL AS FOR CONTINUING TO TALK ABOUT SOME SALARY
05:32:46PM ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT.
05:32:48PM WITH FIRE STATIONS, I REMEMBER WHEN WE DID FIRE STATION 23,
05:32:52PM IT TOOK A COUPLE OF YEARS.
05:32:53PM EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT.
05:32:54PM FIRE STATION 25 WAS REALLY FAST, BECAUSE WE REFURBISHED AN
05:33:00PM OLD BUILDING AND WAS DONE RELATIVELY FAST FOR A MEDICAL-ONLY
05:33:04PM UNIT.
05:33:05PM SORT OF STRANGE WE DID '25 AND SKIPPED OVER '24.
05:33:09PM I THINK PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED BY THAT.
05:33:11PM I WILL SAY, BY THE WAY, THAT FIRE STATIONS IN AREAS ARE AN
05:33:16PM ISSUE OF FAIRNESS AND EQUITY.
05:33:18PM YOU TALK OF THE COMMUNITY THAT FIRE STATION 24 WILL SERVE.
05:33:21PM THAT IS BUSCH.
05:33:22PM THAT IS FOWLER.
05:33:23PM THAT IS THE UNIVERSITY AREA.
05:33:25PM SOME OF THE AREAS WITH THE HIGHEST CHILD POVERTY RATES IN
05:33:28PM THE TAMPA BAY AREA.
05:33:29PM AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY DESERVES THE BEST RESPONSE TIMES
05:33:34PM AND PUBLIC SAFETY.
05:33:35PM BUT ALL TOO OFTEN, WE FIND THAT MARGINALIZED AREAS
05:33:39PM THROUGHOUT OUR WHOLE COUNTRY, NOT JUST OBVIOUSLY THE CITY OF
05:33:43PM TAMPA SOME TIME GET LEFT BEHIND IN THAT EQUATION.
05:33:46PM WHEN I WAS TALKING OF STATION 25 IN SULPHUR SPRINGS TO HELP
05:33:50PM OUT 13, I WOULD PUSH EQUITY WHICH IS THE HIGH NUMBER OF
05:33:54PM FOLKS LIVING IN POVERTY OUT THERE.
05:33:56PM AND HOW THEY DESERVE A VERY GOOD RESPONSE TIME.
05:33:59PM SO I WANT TO INFORM COUNCIL AGAIN.
05:34:05PM WHEN I WENT THROUGH -- I HAD SIX MOTIONS ON FIRE STATIONS
05:34:09PM INCLUDING 4 OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS.
05:34:10PM PART OF THE CHALLENGE WAS -- AND FOR CHIEF TRIPP, PLEASE
05:34:14PM CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, LOOKING AT K-BAR RANCH IN THE NEW
05:34:18PM COMPANY, 33647 FOR A STATION, RIGHT.
05:34:21PM THEN LOOKING AT MORE CONSERVATIVE MEASURES TO GET DONE.
05:34:25PM I TELL THE CHIEF IN LOCAL 754, I AM NOT A PUBLIC SAFETY
05:34:29PM EXPERT, OKAY.
05:34:30PM I TRY TO CHAMPION IT FROM A POLITICAL OFFICE.
05:34:32PM THEN THE EMPHASIS -- THE NEED MOVED TO FOWLER AND BUSCH AREA
05:34:40PM BE THERE RESTARTING THE PROCESS ON A NUMBER OF THINGS.
05:34:43PM THAT IS WHY I MADE THAT MOTION.
05:34:45PM WE WANT TO KEEP IT FRONT AND CENTER.
05:34:47PM ONE QUESTION I DO HAVE, THE DESIGN MONEY, $1.5 MILLION.
05:34:52PM IS THAT TYPICAL FOR FIRE STATIONS COSTING SO MUCH FOR
05:34:56PM DESIGN?
05:34:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CHIEF TRIPP, ARE YOU STILL ON?
05:35:01PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: YES, I AM STILL HERE, AND TO BE HONEST, I
05:35:04PM WILL LET MISS DUNCAN TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT NORMALLY
05:35:08PM COSTS FOR DESIGN.
05:35:10PM I HAVE SEEN BETWEEN .5 ALL THE WAY TO 1.5.
05:35:17PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: JEAN DUNCAN, DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND
05:35:20PM MOBILITY.
05:35:21PM TO ANSWER THE QUESTION OF THE COST FOR DESIGN.
05:35:23PM THOSE DESIGN COSTS ARE TYPICALLY ESTIMATED AS A PERCENTAGE
05:35:26PM OF THE ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION COST.
05:35:29PM THE HIGHER THE CONSTRUCTION COST, THE HIGHER THE DESIGN.
05:35:32PM IT WOULD NOT BE UNUSUAL OR ATYPICAL FOR A DESIGN FOR A FIRE
05:35:37PM STATION TO BE $1.5 MILLION.
05:35:38PM IF I COULD ALSO JUST THROW IN A LITTLE MORE SEMANTICS, A
05:35:42PM SITE PLAN DOES NOT INDICATE THAT WE HAVE A DESIGN -- DESIGN
05:35:48PM USUALLY REFERS TO A SET OF CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS.
05:35:51PM A SITE PLAN IS A CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT OF A FACILITY OR WHATEVER
05:35:55PM THE ITEM IS.
05:35:56PM JUST WANT TO KIND OF MAKE THAT DIFFERENTIATION FOR THE
05:36:00PM PUBLIC.
05:36:00PM I KNOW MANY OF YOU OR ALL OF YOU ARE AWARE OF THAT.
05:36:03PM >>LUIS VIERA: THAT ENLIGHTENS ME.
05:36:05PM THANK YOU, MISS DUNCAN.
05:36:07PM I APPRECIATE YOU.
05:36:08PM I APPRECIATE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S MOTION.
05:36:10PM IF WE CAN GET THAT DONE NOW OR OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER WHEN THE
05:36:14PM ISSUE ON THE BONDING COMES.
05:36:16PM WE JUST GOT TO GET THE TRAIN LEAVING THE STATION.
05:36:19PM YAKIMENTE, THAT IS WHAT SHE USED TO TELL ME TO CLEAN MY ROOM
05:36:26PM IN SPANISH.
05:36:26PM THAT'S WHAT I WANT AND WHAT SEVEN OF US.
05:36:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO MOTIONS TODAY.
05:36:31PM MOTIONS TOMORROW AND TUESDAY.
05:36:34PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT IS NOT WHAT ALL OF US WANT.
05:36:37PM YOU ARE TALKING OF TAKING MONEY FROM SALARIES OF PEOPLE.
05:36:40PM MR. ROGERO, THAT MONEY IS ALREADY IN THE BUDGET OF THE $1.9
05:36:47PM BILLION, RIGHT, THE SALARY INCREASES?
05:36:50PM HAVE WE ALREADY FACTORED FOR THOSE SALARY INCREASES FOR ALL
05:36:53PM OF OUR EMPLOYEES?
05:36:54PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, THAT IS IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET AND WE
05:36:57PM HAVE REFINED THAT FIGURE.
05:36:58PM $4 MILLION IN THE GENERAL FUND, INCLUDES THE SIX.
05:37:01PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: DOES THAT INCLUDE FIRE, POLICE AND
05:37:05PM EVERYBODY?
05:37:06PM NO, THEY ARE UNION.
05:37:06PM THOSE INCLUDE OUR EXECUTIVE LEVEL STAFF.
05:37:10PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM.
05:37:10PM SUPERVISOR, MANAGERS, PROFESSIONALS.
05:37:13PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD WE TAKE MONEY OFF
05:37:15PM THE TABLE JUST TO DO THIS.
05:37:17PM HOW MANY PEOPLE IS THAT?
05:37:21PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: ABOUT 1,000.
05:37:22PM APPROXIMATELY 997.
05:37:25PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: TH 97.
05:37:28PM OKAY.
05:37:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WITCHCRAFT, WITCHCRAFT.
05:37:35PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THAT.
05:37:37PM WE ARE ESSENTIALLY SAYING SO IMPORTANT THAT 997 PEOPLE WHO
05:37:42PM WORK HARD FOR US EVERY DAY, BECAUSE THEY ARE OUR TOP-LEVEL
05:37:46PM STAFF PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALL KINDS OF EXPERTISE WHO WORK IN
05:37:49PM MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT DON'T DESERVE A RAISE SO WE CAN GET
05:37:52PM THIS DONE.
05:37:53PM I JUST WILL NOT SUPPORT THAT.
05:37:54PM I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ON THAT.
05:37:56PM ALSO, OUR BOND RATING.
05:37:59PM BECAUSE I ACTUALLY TEACH A LITTLE PERSONAL FINANCE AT THE
05:38:03PM SECONDARY LEVEL.
05:38:04PM BOND RATINGS, CREDIT RATINGS ARE VERY IMPORTANT.
05:38:07PM BECAUSE WE ARE OVER OUR RESERVES, THIS IS JUST A QUESTION, A
05:38:13PM LEARNING QUESTION JUST FOR ME, WE ARE AT A HIGH LEVEL -- YOU
05:38:17PM KNOW, AAA-RATED, CORRECT, FOR OUR BOND RATING.
05:38:21PM >> YES, MA'AM.
05:38:22PM AA.
05:38:26PM AND AAA.
05:38:30PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE SHAVE A LITTLE OFF OF THAT.
05:38:32PM THE ORGANIZATION THAT EVALUATES US WILL THEY CONSIDER THAT A
05:38:36PM NEGATIVE BECAUSE SO USED TO US OPERATING AT A LEVEL BEYOND
05:38:39PM THAT IS MINIMUM.
05:38:41PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.
05:38:42PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WILL NOT COST US MONEY?
05:38:45PM THAT IS THE SECONDARY PART B.
05:38:48PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU FOR ME TALKING ABOUT THE
05:38:51PM POTENTIAL RISKS.
05:38:52PM I WANT CITY COUNCIL'S EYES WIDE OPEN ON ANY DECISIONS YOU
05:38:55PM MAKE.
05:38:56PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I AM TRYING TO MORE SO CHALLENGE
05:38:58PM QUESTIONS, THINGS AND IDEAS, BECAUSE IT IS JUST NOT AN
05:39:01PM AUTOMATIC SEVEN VOTE.
05:39:03PM I WILL NOT TAKE A DOLLAR FROM AN EXECUTIVE-LEVEL EMPLOYEE
05:39:06PM JUST BECAUSE OF ANY REASON.
05:39:09PM JUST BECAUSE THEY MAKE MORE MONEY THAN EVERYBODY ELSE.
05:39:12PM THEY SHOULD BE -- TAKE THE SACRIFICE, THE HIT.
05:39:16PM THE WHOLE CITY SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THE HIT, NOT 997 PEOPLE.
05:39:20PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: CAN I SPEAK FURTHER?
05:39:23PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SURE, PLEASE, ANSWER IT.
05:39:26PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: CAN I HAVE THE ELMO UP, PLEASE?
05:39:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, GO AHEAD, SIR.
05:39:31PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND COUNCIL.
05:39:33PM YOU HAVE SEEN THIS CHART BEFORE, OF COURSE.
05:39:35PM THIS IS FROM 2007 TO THE ANTICIPATED 2024.
05:39:40PM AND THE -- THE SENSITIVITY AND I THINK SOMEONE SPOKE TO IT
05:39:46PM IS FOR WELL OVER TEN YEARS, YOU SEE WE HAVE HAD 24, 24, 24,
05:39:52PM 23, ETC.
05:39:53PM AND 23.
05:39:54PM WE HAVE ESTABLISHED VERY CONSISTENT LEVELS OF FUND BALANCE.
05:39:58PM YOU SEE THE TWO OUTYEARS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.
05:40:01PM WITH THE FEDERAL FUNDING.
05:40:04PM ASSOCIATED WITH THE PANDEMIC.
05:40:06PM THE DIFFICULTY IS -- AND ALTHOUGH WE LOVE THE FACT THAT IT
05:40:10PM CONTINUES TO EXCEED 20% --
05:40:13PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: EXCUSE ME, I CAN'T HEAR YOU BECAUSE
05:40:15PM PEOPLE ARE TALKING ON THE DAIS.
05:40:17PM PROCEED.
05:40:18PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: WHY HE, THANK YOU.
05:40:19PM WE LOVE THE FACT THAT IT IS ABOUT POLICY, BUT THE MARKET,
05:40:24PM THE INVESTORS, AND CREDIT RATING AGENCIES AND WE DISCUSSED
05:40:27PM THIS BEFORE.
05:40:28PM I THINK IT IS WORTH REITERATING THEY ARE NOT LOOKING AT THE
05:40:32PM POLICY.
05:40:32PM THEY ARE LOOKING AT OUR HISTORY.
05:40:33PM DO I KNOW THE IMPACT OF TAKING 1%?
05:40:36PM I DO NOT.
05:40:36PM IT WILL GET VIEWED -- AGAIN, WE ARE SURVEILED ALL THE TIME.
05:40:42PM AND AFTER ESTABLISHING THAT -- THAT CONSISTENCY, THERE IS A
05:40:47PM RISK IN LOWERING WHAT HAS BEEN A VERY, VERY STABLE LEVEL OF
05:40:54PM FUND BALANCE.
05:40:55PM MOREOVER, MORE OF A RISK IF THAT RESERVE IS USED FOR A
05:40:59PM ONE-TIME EXPENDITURE.
05:41:00PM A RECURRING EXPENDITURE.
05:41:02PM AND TAKING NONRECURRING REVENUE USING FOR A OCCURRING
05:41:07PM EXPENDITURE THAT BEGS THE QUESTION WHAT ARE THEY DOING FOR
05:41:11PM THE CITY OF TAMPA AND EATING INTO THE SAVINGS ACCOUNT FOR
05:41:13PM THINGS THEY WILL CONTINUE TO PAY.
05:41:15PM THERE ARE SOME NUISANCES AND SOME SUBTLETIES.
05:41:20PM I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT THERE WILL DEFINITIVELY BE AN ADVERSE
05:41:24PM IMPACT.
05:41:25PM IF THERE IS, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT THAT WILL BE.
05:41:27PM THERE IS A RISK AND COUNCIL SHOULD BE AWARE IN MANAGING THAT
05:41:31PM DECISION SIGNIFICANCES.
05:41:32PM AND FURTHER TO OUR OVERALL CREDIT RATING, AS WE -- AS
05:41:36PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON ASKED A QUESTION EARLIER WHICH I AM
05:41:40PM PREPARED TO ANSWER AT COUNCIL'S CONVENIENCE, WHAT IS OUR
05:41:44PM ANTICIPATED DEBT ISSUANCE ESPECIALLY FROM -- WE ARE TALKING
05:41:48PM OF THE GENERAL FUND WHICH HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY A NON-AD
05:41:53PM VALOREM.
05:41:53PM WHAT OUR ANTICIPATED DEBT ISSUANCE AND REDUCTION DUNKS IN
05:41:58PM FUND BALANCE WILL AFFECT WHEN WE GO OUT.
05:42:01PM THERE ARE RISKS AND I WANT THE PUBLIC TO BE AWARE OF IT.
05:42:06PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: AND THE PUBLIC.
05:42:07PM THE LAST THING IS ABOUT SINCE WE HAVE IDEAS AND THIS IS A
05:42:10PM WORKSHOP, INSTEAD OF 997 PEOPLE TAKE THE HIT.
05:42:14PM YOU KNOW WE HAVE THIS -- WHICH IS REALLY GREAT.
05:42:16PM IT IS NONDEPARTMENTAL -- IT IS CALLED SOCIAL ACTION AND ARTS
05:42:21PM FUNDING.
05:42:21PM THIS IS $6 MILLION.
05:42:23PM PLEASE LISTEN HAVE HE CAREFULLY.
05:42:26PM A TEACHABLE MOMENT.
05:42:27PM WE, THE CITY, TAKE CARE OF OUR CITY ASSETS AND OTHER
05:42:30PM ORGANIZATIONS.
05:42:32PM AND I WOULD JUST SUM IT UP TO SAY BECAUSE WE ARE BEING NICE
05:42:35PM AND SUPPORTING THEM.
05:42:36PM SEE, THESE AREN'T PEOPLE, THESE ARE ORGANIZATIONS WHO HAVE
05:42:39PM THEIR OWN MONEY.
05:42:40PM SO WE SUPPORT THEM BY GIVING THEM SOME DOLLARS.
05:42:44PM AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THOSE POWERPOINTS, BUT I AM
05:42:48PM JUST GOING TO READ A FEW OF THEM JUST TO ENTERTAIN YOU THAT
05:42:51PM WE GIVE MONEY TO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GIVE MONEY TO.
05:42:55PM AND IT ADDS UP TO -- HOW MUCH IS IT IN THE BUDGET FOR THIS
05:42:58PM YEAR?
05:42:59PM LAST YEAR 2023 IT WAS $6.2 MILLION.
05:43:02PM >> IT IS -- THIS YEAR -- FISCAL YEAR '24.
05:43:06PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THESE AREN'T PEOPLE.
05:43:08PM THESE AREN'T JOB.
05:43:10PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: FISCAL '24, $5.5 MILLION.
05:43:17PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WENT DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
05:43:19PM A GOOD CHUNK OF CHANGE.
05:43:21PM CATHOLIC CHARITIES, FLORIDA MUSEUM, THE STRAZ, THE FLORIDA
05:43:25PM AQUARIUM, THE ZOO, TAMPA THEATRE.
05:43:30PM I WANT TO GET ALL THESE -- CATHOLIC CHARITIES, FEEDING TAMPA
05:43:34PM BAY, THE MUSEUM, GLAZER FOUNDATION, TAMPA BAY CHAMBER,
05:43:38PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY BOCC, BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
05:43:41PM ENTREPRENEUR COLLABORATIVE ON PALM AVENUE, THE HUMANE
05:43:46PM SOCIETY, METRO INCLUSIVE HEALTH, THE MUSEUM, THE NAACP,
05:43:51PM SENIOR IN SERVICE, SISTER CITIES, SPANISH LYRICS, SPEAK
05:43:56PM TAMPA BAY, PUBLIC ACCESS TELEVISION.
05:44:00PM PEOPLE IN THESE ORGANIZATIONS THAT DIDN'T WANT THE MILLAGE.
05:44:04PM IF WE LOOK THROUGH, SOME CITIZENS THAT PEOPLE FROM THESE
05:44:07PM ORGANIZATIONS THAT WROTE US AND SAY DON'T SUPPORT THE
05:44:10PM MILLAGE.
05:44:10PM YBOR CITY MUSEUM.
05:44:12PM YBOR CITY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
05:44:14PM URBAN LEAGUE, FLORIDA ORCHESTRA, FLORIDA AQUARIUM, TAMPA
05:44:18PM THEATRE, METRO INCLUSIVE HEALTH, JUST TO NAME A FEW.
05:44:22PM CDC, CORPORATIONS DEVELOP COMMUNITY.
05:44:26PM HB PLANT MUSEUM.
05:44:28PM YOU LOOK AT UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA IN THEIR ENDOWMENT.
05:44:31PM THEY HAVE A LOT OF MONEY IN THE ENDOWMENT.
05:44:34PM THEY DON'T NEED US.
05:44:36PM I AM NOT PICKING ON THEM USING THEM AS AN EXAMPLE.
05:44:38PM THESE ARE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE SUPPORT.
05:44:40PM ARE WE OBLIGATED TO GIVE THESE PEOPLE MONEY?
05:44:44PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE
05:44:47PM AGREEMENTS WITH SOME OF THEM, SO I WOULDN'T KNOW THE
05:44:49PM PARTICULARS OF EXITING FROM THE AGREEMENT BUT WE CAN FIND IT
05:44:52PM OUT.
05:44:54PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: DON'T HAVE AGREEMENTS FOR 2024 BECAUSE WE
05:44:56PM HAVEN'T VOTED ON THEM.
05:44:58PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: SOME OF THE AGREEMENTS ARE DEPENDING ON
05:45:01PM BUDGET APPROPRIATIONS.
05:45:04PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: DO YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE SO THE PUBLIC
05:45:07PM CAN GO.
05:45:08PM THE SLIDES.
05:45:10PM THREE SECTIONS.
05:45:13PM THESE AREN'T PEOPLE AND ORGANIZATIONS.
05:45:14PM $5 MILLION.
05:45:17PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THEM.
05:45:19PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: HOW MUCH FOR THE 997.
05:45:22PM >> $4 MILLION.
05:45:24PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: TAKE FOOD OFF THE TABLE OF THE TOP-LEVEL
05:45:27PM EMPLOYEES BECAUSE THEY ARE AT THE TOP AND -- BUT THE
05:45:31PM ORGANIZATIONS, WE ARE WILLING TO GIVE THEM $5 MILLION.
05:45:33PM AND SOME OF THEM MAYBE ARE OBLIGATION, I DON'T KNOW.
05:45:36PM I THINK THAT SHOULD COME BACK TO THE PUBLIC JUST TO SAY
05:45:40PM THAT.
05:45:40PM THAT IS JUST ANOTHER IDEA TO CONSIDER.
05:45:42PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IF I -- IF I CAN, CITY ATTORNEY, THANK YOU,
05:45:46PM MA'AM, ALSO -- SUGGESTED I WOULD ADD AND NOT JUST TOP-LEVEL,
05:45:52PM JUST THOSE PARTICULAR EMPLOYEE WHO ARE NOT MEMBERS OF THE
05:45:55PM UNION.
05:45:55PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OUR LEGISLATIVE AIDES WHO STAY HERE UNTIL
05:46:03PM 9:30 -- I MEAN 9:30 P.M.
05:46:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, CHIEF.
05:46:08PM >>LEE BERCAW: THANK YOU, CHAIR, LEE BERCAW, CHIEF OF POLICE.
05:46:13PM THE CIP FUNDS.
05:46:15PM ONE PROBLEM YOU CAN CREATE.
05:46:17PM WITH THE CIT FUNDS, THE ONLY SOURCE OF GETTING VEHICLES.
05:46:20PM OUR BUDGETED SOURCE.
05:46:21PM NOT EVEN COUNTING THE ABOVE AND BEYOND REQUEST WE MADE FOR
05:46:25PM ADDITIONAL VEHICLES.
05:46:25PM SO IF THAT WAS REALLOCATED SOMEWHERE ELSE NOT ONLY WILL WE
05:46:31PM NOT GET THE REQUESTED VEHICLES ABOVE AND BEYOND, WE WOULD
05:46:35PM GET NO VEHICLES.
05:46:35PM REALLOCATING THAT FUND WILL NOT ONLY TAKE THE ADDITIONAL
05:46:39PM REQUEST BUT OUR CORE REQUEST OFF THE TABLE AND THOSE CARS
05:46:42PM ARE IN DIRE NEED.
05:46:43PM I AM NOT TAKING AWAY FROM FIRE.
05:46:45PM FIRE HAD THEIR HOUSES.
05:46:47PM POLICE OFFICERS LIVE IN THEIR CAR.
05:46:49PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SO GLAD YOU SAID THAT.
05:46:50PM CAN I HAVE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION LIKE SOMEBODY ELSE.
05:46:53PM MEANS THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ON THE VEHICLES.
05:46:57PM MOVING INTO NINE, TEN, 12 YEARS.
05:47:00PM >>LEE BERCAW: WE ARE ALREADY AT 10 TO 12.
05:47:03PM WE ARE TRYING TO GET TO SEVEN TO NINE YEARS.
05:47:05PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
05:47:06PM YOU MADE THAT REQUEST FOR A REASON.
05:47:08PM IT IS A NEED, NOT A WANT.
05:47:10PM WOULD YOU SAY THAT, CHIEF?
05:47:12PM >>LEE BERCAW: CORRECT.
05:47:13PM AND THE REQUEST IS ABOVE AND BEYOND THE ORIGINAL CORE BUDGET
05:47:17PM COMES OUT OF THE CIT FUNDS.
05:47:20PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, CHIEF.
05:47:21PM OBVIOUSLY I WAS A BIT TOO OPTIMISTIC ABOUT AN 11-YEAR
05:47:26PM TURNOVER WHICH IS VERY, VERY LONG.
05:47:28PM I WANTED TO TELL YOU ALL THAT.
05:47:30PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, APPRECIATE IT.
05:47:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. ROGERO, WHEN YOU PUT THE SLIDES
05:47:35PM ABOUT THE RESERVES, BOTTOM LEFT CORN WE ARE A PROPOSED
05:47:38PM MILLAGE OF 7.2.
05:47:41PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: SORRY, SIR?
05:47:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PROPOSED MILLAGE OF 7.2, BOTTOM
05:47:47PM LEFT-HAND CORNER OF THE SLIDES REGARDING THE RESERVES.
05:47:49PM WITHOUT IN PROPOSED MILLAGE NOW AT 6.2, HOW MUCH WILL THE
05:47:54PM INSPECTION CHANGE?
05:47:57PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THE NUMBERS WILL NOT CHANGE APPRECIABLY
05:47:59PM BECAUSE WE WOULD LIKE TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE $45 MILLION
05:48:03PM OF EXPENDITURES HAVE BEEN REMOVED AND THE FUND BALANCE
05:48:06PM INDEXED TO THE AMOUNT OF EXPENDITURES.
05:48:08PM REVENUE GOES DOWN.
05:48:10PM EXPENDITURES GO DOWN.
05:48:11PM WE ARE ADDING SOME PROJECTIONS IN OUR FUND BALANCE TO KEEP
05:48:15PM UP WITH THE EXPENDITURE LEVEL .FROM A PERCENTAGE
05:48:18PM PERSPECTIVE, THE NUMBERS HAD WON'T CHANGE APPRECIABLY, AND
05:48:21PM IF WE DO ARISE AT THE BALANCED FIGURE, WE WILL BRING YOU THE
05:48:25PM REVISED NUMBER.
05:48:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WITH REGARDS TO -- AND I WILL GO TO
05:48:29PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:48:30PM THE 997 PEOPLE.
05:48:33PM NOT TALKING ABOUT LAYING OFF ANYBODY SEVERAL ADMINISTRATIONS
05:48:36PM GO WITH THE ECONOMIC CRISIS AND HOUSING CRASH IN THE CITY OF
05:48:40PM TAMPA AND 755 PEOPLE LAID OFF IN THE CITY.
05:48:43PM THIS IS STATUS QUO.
05:48:44PM AND THAT -- THAT GENERATES $4 MILLION.
05:48:47PM WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT DOLLARS HERE, NO ONE IS LOSING THEIR
05:48:50PM JOB.
05:48:50PM IT IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SCENARIO FROM WHATEVER IT WAS,
05:48:54PM LIKE 2009, 2008.
05:48:57PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:48:59PM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. ROGERO, CAN YOU PUT THE SLIDE BACK
05:49:05PM PLEASE.
05:49:05PM I WANTED TO THANK YOU.
05:49:07PM AND THE REASON WHY I WAS WHISPERING EARLIER BECAUSE I AM SO
05:49:10PM THANKFUL WE FINALLY HAD THIS SLIDE AND I WILL TAKE A PICTURE
05:49:14PM OF IT.
05:49:15PM THIS TELLS THE FINANCIAL STORY OF THE CITY OF TAMPA REALLY.
05:49:18PM GREAT RECESSION, WHICH WAS THE WORST ECONOMIC DOWNTURN SINCE
05:49:24PM THE GREAT DEPRESSION ENDED IN 2009.
05:49:29PM AND PAM IORIO AND MAYOR IORIO LEFT IN 2011.
05:49:36PM CAN YOU MOVE IT TO THE RIGHT A LITTLE BIT.
05:49:39PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: MY LEFT.
05:49:42PM >>BILL CARLSON: SHE SAVED RIGHT AT $150 MILLION IN THE
05:49:45PM GENERAL FUND RESERVE.
05:49:46PM DURING THE GREAT RECESSION.
05:49:48PM THERE WAS A HIGH COST OF STAFF MEMBERS AND OTHER THINGS, BUT
05:49:51PM SHE HAD -- SHE HAD A SCALPEL TO THE BUDGET TO MAKE SURE SHE
05:49:55PM GOT EVERYTHING.
05:49:56PM IF SHE COULD TO IT THEN, WE SHOULD BRING HER IN AND ASK HER
05:50:00PM ADVICE HOW TO DO IT NOW, BECAUSE SHE DID IT.
05:50:02PM THEN WHAT HAPPENED -- THE REASON WE ARE IN THE FINANCIAL
05:50:05PM SITUATION THAT WE ARE NOW, PARTLY BECAUSE OF SPENDING FOR
05:50:08PM THE LAST THREE YEARS.
05:50:09PM LOOK WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT, FROM 2011 TO 2019, WE TOOK
05:50:14PM OVER DURING THE GREATEST ECONOMIC BOON IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
05:50:21PM NOT HAD RECESSION 2009 OR 2012, 2013, 2014, AND 2015, THE
05:50:27PM BOON TIME OF THE ECONOMY.
05:50:28PM AND THE CITY AND THE LAST MAYOR WHO DIDN'T UNDERSTAND
05:50:32PM FINANCE OR ECONOMICS RAIDED THAT FUND.
05:50:35PM THAT IS WHY IT WENT DOWN $50 MILLION, $60 MILLION.
05:50:39PM IT WAS COMPLETELY RECKLESS AND IRRESPONSIBLE.
05:50:42PM HAD WE HAD THAT AS A RESERVE WOULD -- MOST PEOPLE WHEN THEY
05:50:47PM ARE SAVING MONEY.
05:50:47PM THINK OF YOUR PERSONAL FINANCE.
05:50:48PM YOU SAVE MONEY.
05:50:49PM YOU SAVE MONEY DURING THE GOOD TIMES AND HAVE THE MONEY IN
05:50:52PM CASE OF A RAINY DAY.
05:50:53PM ANYTHING BELOW 20% IS NOT A RAINY DAY FUND.
05:50:56PM BELOW 20% IS MINIMUM, MINIMUM REQUIREMENT TO KEEP OUR BOND
05:51:01PM RATING.
05:51:02PM ABOVE THAT IS THE RAINY DAY FUND.
05:51:04PM PAM IORIO HAD EXTRA.
05:51:08PM WHEN GOT HANDED THE KEYS 3% EXTRA.
05:51:12PM THE BUDGET HAS GROWN BECAUSE OF THE STORMWATER GUYS AND
05:51:15PM WATER GUYS.
05:51:16PM AND -- AND THEN WE WENT THROUGH THE GREAT -- I MEAN, COVID.
05:51:21PM BUT STILL THROUGH COVID, THIS ADMINISTRATION, CITY COUNCIL,
05:51:25PM MANAGED TO KEEP 28%, 27%.
05:51:28PM AND ON TRACK TO MOVE IT UP AGAIN.
05:51:31PM WE DON'T -- CHAIR MANISCALCO MENTIONED ECONOMIC CRISIS.
05:51:35PM I THINK WE ARE GOING TO BE IN AN ECONOMIC CRISIS A YEAR FROM
05:51:39PM NOW.
05:51:39PM WE ARE IN A HORRIBLE CRISIS NOW.
05:51:41PM BUT IT COULD POTENTIALLY GET A LOT WORSE.
05:51:44PM WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO HAVE GOING
05:51:47PM FORWARD.
05:51:48PM RIGHT NOW MAYBE A 4% WIGGLE ROOM.
05:51:50PM THERE IS NO WAY IF YOU LOOK AT THIS TRACK RECORD, AND WHAT
05:51:54PM YOU SAID AND WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON SAID, NO WAY TO
05:51:58PM TAKE MORE THAN 1%.
05:51:59PM 1% MAYBE, BUT WE NEED TO SHOW THE TRACK RECORD OF
05:52:03PM CONSISTENCY ALREADY IS DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
05:52:07PM WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE PROTECT THE RESERVES.
05:52:09PM THE BOND RATING IS IMPORTANT.
05:52:11PM IF WE HAVE THE RIGHT DEBT, WE NEED THE RIGHT RATES AND THE
05:52:15PM ABILITY TO BORROW AND PROTECT THOSE RESERVES.
05:52:18PM WE DON'T WANT TO CUT SERVICE DRAMATICALLY DURING THE
05:52:22PM DOWNTURN.
05:52:23PM JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY, NO BUDGET RIGHT NOW.
05:52:25PM LAST YEAR'S BUDGET AND THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR
05:52:28PM THAT INCLUDED THE RATE INCREASE.
05:52:29PM BUT WE ASKED FOR A BUDGET WITHOUT THE INCREASE AND WE DIDN'T
05:52:33PM GET ONE.
05:52:33PM NO BUDGET.
05:52:34PM NO ASKING LIKE IS SOMETHING INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET OR NOT
05:52:37PM WITHOUT -- WITHOUT THE INCREASE BECAUSE THERE WAS NO BUDGET
05:52:40PM PRESENTED TO US.
05:52:40PM ALL WE HAVE IS LAST YEAR'S BUDGET AND THE BUDGET WITH THE
05:52:44PM RATE INCREASE.
05:52:44PM SO IT IS UP TO US TO CUT THE 45 MILLION AND WHATEVER.
05:52:48PM WE DECIDE WHERE IT GOES.
05:52:50PM ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT INCREASE AND WE CAN DECIDE HOW TO
05:52:53PM CUT.
05:52:53PM AND WE SHOULDN'T JUST START WITH THE FIVE THINGS THAT
05:52:57PM EVERYBODY THINKS ARE IMPORTANT.
05:52:59PM THERE ARE A LOT OF AREAS -- COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON WENT UP
05:53:02PM THROUGH THAT LIST.
05:53:03PM ONE OF THEM OBVIOUSLY IS THE EDC.
05:53:06PM PAY $550,000 A YEAR.
05:53:09PM THEIR BUDGET IS BIGGER.
05:53:10PM WE PAY MORE THAN WE TO DO THE EDC.
05:53:14PM IT IS AN EXCLUSIVE ORGANIZATIONS THAT DOESN'T HIT THEIR
05:53:16PM GOALS -- THEY DON'T HIT THEIR GOALS AND PROVEN THAT THEY
05:53:19PM DON'T EVEN PRESENT ACCURATE DATA TO US.
05:53:22PM IF WE WANT TO HAVE -- IF WE WANT TO GET RID OF THE EQUITY
05:53:26PM PROBLEMS IN THE CITY, WE HAVE GOT TO CREATE AN INCLUSIVE
05:53:29PM ORGANIZATION THAT IS -- THAT IS ABOUT INCLUSIVE ECONOMIC
05:53:32PM DEVELOPMENT.
05:53:32PM NOT SETTING IT UP SO A FEW MILLIONAIRES CAN MAKE MORE MONEY.
05:53:37PM WE NEED TO CUT THAT BUDGET AND LOOK AT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
05:53:40PM AND FIGURE OUTS WHAT TO DO GOING FORWARD.
05:53:42PM LASTLY AND I CAN GIVE YOU A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER THINGS.
05:53:45PM WE HAVE A LOBBYIST.
05:53:46PM I CAN'T GET THE EXACT NUMBER, AND SOMEWHERE AROUND $1
05:53:50PM MILLION.
05:53:50PM AND THEY LOBBY TO PUT LANGUAGE -- THE LAST ADMINISTRATION
05:53:54PM LOBBIED FOR TOILET TO TAP.
05:53:56PM AND THIS ADMINISTRATION LOBBIED TO PUTS DEP.
05:54:01PM TO SPEND $6 BILLION FOR SOMETHING WE DON'T NEED.
05:54:04PM WE NEED LOBBYISTS WHO WILL DO WHAT CITY COUNCIL SAYS BECAUSE
05:54:08PM THE CHARTER SAYS THAT CITY COUNCIL SETTING A POLICY.
05:54:11PM NOT THE ADMINISTRATION.
05:54:13PM A DISAGREEMENT CITY COUNCIL IS WHAT HOLDS.
05:54:17PM THE LOBBYISTS CANNOT CONTRADICT.
05:54:20PM THE MAYOR MAY CONTROL THEIR BUDGET AND OPERATION, BUT IF
05:54:23PM THEY ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO LOBBY FOR SOMETHING WE DON'T
05:54:26PM NEED AND THE PUBLIC DOESN'T WANT OR PAY FOR AND HURT OUR
05:54:29PM ECONOMY WORSE THAN THE CASH INCREASE.
05:54:31PM WE DON'T HAVE THE POWER OF CHARTER TO MANAGE IT.
05:54:34PM BUT WE HAVE A POWER BY CHARTER TO LINE ITEM THEN OUT.
05:54:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY NOT SPOKEN AND WANTS TO SPEAK
05:54:40PM BEFORE I GO TO COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON?
05:54:42PM YES, MA'AM.
05:54:42PM GO AHEAD.
05:54:43PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THE EDC IS SMALL POTATOES, $500 MILLION
05:54:49PM --
05:54:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: 500,000.
05:54:54PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT IS SMALL POTATOES, Y'ALL.
05:54:57PM THE SAME LOBBYIST -- I ONLY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET THEM
05:55:00PM ONCE AND I DECIDED TO ASK THEM A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
05:55:03PM AND WHETHER THEY DO WHAT WE WANT OR THE ADMINISTRATION
05:55:08PM WANTS, I AM NOT SURE OF THE TAG TEAMING ON THAT ARGUMENT BUT
05:55:11PM BROUGHT $200 MILLION TO THE CITY.
05:55:13PM NOT ALL BAD.
05:55:14PM I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT.
05:55:16PM I DON'T WANT TO ELIMINATE SOMEONE'S JOB WHEN THEY HAVE
05:55:20PM BROUGHT $200 MILLION TO THE CITY.
05:55:21PM SO WE CAN'T BE SO FAST BECAUSE THEY DO SOMETHING THAT WE OR
05:55:25PM A PARTICULAR COUNCILMEMBER OR THE COUNCIL MAY NOT LIKE.
05:55:28PM $200 MILLION IS A LOT TO BARK AT.
05:55:32PM AND ALSO -- SAY WE HAVE A SPENDING PROBLEM.
05:55:35PM SOME PEOPLE SAY WE HAVE A SPENDING PROBLEM.
05:55:37PM AND YOU KNOW, LISTEN TOMORROW.
05:55:40PM THE TOMORROW IS A CRA MEETING.
05:55:42PM WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE OBLIGATED A LOT
05:55:49PM OF MONEY TO.
05:55:50PM A LOT OF MONEY.
05:55:51PM THE STRAZ, $25 MILLION.
05:55:56PM THE TAMPA CONVENTION CENTER, $25 MILLION.
05:55:58PM SVP, $14 MILLION.
05:56:02PM TAMPA THEATRE, $14 MILLION.
05:56:04PM THAT IS A LOT OF MONEY.
05:56:05PM SO WE ARE OBLIGATED.
05:56:06PM I HAVE BEEN COACHED TO SAY, GWEN, YOU SHOULD LEAVE THOSE
05:56:10PM ALONE.
05:56:10PM THOSE ARE POWERFUL PEOPLE.
05:56:12PM ONCE AGAIN I AM PROVING TO YOU I AM A TEACHER.
05:56:15PM NOT A POLITICIAN.
05:56:16PM WE HAVE OBLIGATED.
05:56:17PM THEY INITIALLY -- THE ASK WAS $15 MILLION.
05:56:21PM BUT SOME REASON WE WERE EVEN MORE GENEROUS OF CRA DOLLARS OF
05:56:25PM GIVING THEM $25 MILLION.
05:56:28PM WE WILL SEE WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY WHEN THEY COME BACK
05:56:30PM REGARDING IF THEY MET THE OBLIGATIONS FOR US.
05:56:33PM BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO THINK OF ALL OF THESE THINGS.
05:56:35PM I AM DOING MY HOMEWORK.
05:56:37PM I AM SHARING INFORMATION UP HERE WITH THE PUBLIC WHEN WE ARE
05:56:42PM LOOKING AT BIG DOLLARS.
05:56:43PM SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY HAVE TO DO?
05:56:45PM I WANT YOU TO DRIVE DOWN THAT STREET.
05:56:47PM I DON'T SEE ANY SLUM AND BLIGHT.
05:56:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND COUNCILMAN
05:56:53PM CARLSON.
05:56:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
05:56:55PM MR. ROGERO, CAN YOU PUT THAT WONDERFUL CHART BACK UP?
05:57:00PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THE FUND BALANCE?
05:57:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
05:57:02PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I KNEW I PUT IT BACK TOO SOON.
05:57:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO WORRIES.
05:57:07PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: CAN I HAVE THE ELMO PLEASE?
05:57:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IT'S UP.
05:57:20PM THANK YOU.
05:57:21PM YOU ARE SAYING IF WE DECREASE THE FUND BALANCE, THAT IT CAN
05:57:24PM NEGATIVELY IMPACT US, CORRECT?
05:57:26PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES.
05:57:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO I WANT TO KNOW FROM FY 2020 TO FY 2022,
05:57:35PM DID OUR BOND RATING GO UP AND IF SO HOW MUCH.
05:57:40PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT DID NOT.
05:57:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHY NOT.
05:57:43PM IT LOST 4%.
05:57:45PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: GOOD QUESTION.
05:57:46PM THE RATING AGENCIES AND THE MARKET REALIZED THAT THE SPIKE
05:57:50PM WAS DUE TO FEDERAL ASSISTANCE.
05:57:52PM NOT THE CAPABILITIES OF THE CITY ITSELF MAINTAINING THAT
05:57:57PM LEVEL.
05:57:57PM BUT YOU SEE A DECREASE.
05:57:59PM WE DISCUSS IT WITH THE RATING AGENCIES AND WE DISCUSS IT
05:58:02PM WHEN WE ISSUED NON-AD VALOREM DEBT.
05:58:05PM THAT IS WHY.
05:58:06PM THEY RECOGNIZED AS A TEMPORARY INFUSION ASSOCIATED WITH THE
05:58:09PM PANDEMIC.
05:58:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO IT WAS PANDEMIC MONEY?
05:58:13PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM.
05:58:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THEN I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. STOCCO.
05:58:18PM THANK YOU.
05:58:27PM >>NICK STOCCO: GOOD AFTERNOON, NICK STOCCO.
05:58:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK: TALKING ABOUT FIRE STATIONS AND FIRE STUFF
05:58:43PM AND WE HAVE GOTTEN SOME INFORMATION FROM CHIEF TRIPP AND
05:58:46PM INFORMATION FROM BUDGET STAFF.
05:58:47PM I KIND OF WANTED YOUR INPUT.
05:58:49PM STATION 24, DO YOU WANT MONEY FOR THAT THIS YEAR?
05:58:55PM IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD REALLY HELP THE FIRE FIGHTERS,
05:58:58PM THE MORALE, THE FOCUS ON THE BUILDING OR -- YOU KNOW, FOCUS
05:59:02PM ON MOVING FORWARD?
05:59:05PM >>NICK STOCCO: I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON
05:59:09PM THIS TOPIC.
05:59:09PM FIRE STATION 24 IS SOMETHING THAT WAS, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT
05:59:13PM TO THE CITY, SOMETHING THAT WAS PROMISED.
05:59:15PM THE FIRE FIGHTERS WERE PROMISED.
05:59:18PM THE CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY WERE PROMISED.
05:59:21PM THE FIRE STATION, K-BAR RANCH, THE PREVIOUS UNION TEAM WAS
05:59:25PM TASKED WITH FINDING LOCATIONS.
05:59:27PM SEVERAL PARCELS IN THE K-BAR RANCH THAT I BELIEVE WAS FOUND.
05:59:31PM I HAD THE CONVERSATION -- OR WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH
05:59:35PM MANAGEMENT.
05:59:35PM 25 ACRE THAT WERE FOUND.
05:59:37PM THIS IS A STATION THAT WAS PROMISED TO THE FIRE FIGHTERS,
05:59:40PM NOT IN THE FUTURE BUT LAST YEAR, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO
05:59:44PM OTHER DEPARTMENTS: HOUSING, POLICE.
05:59:46PM WE LOVE ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING
05:59:49PM THAT WAS PROMISED TO US IN THE YEARS PAST WHERE WE SHOULD
05:59:52PM HAVE BEEN CUTTING THE RIBBON ALREADY.
05:59:54PM AND IT IS -- IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS, YOU KNOW, NEAR AND
05:59:59PM DEAR TO OUR HEART, BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO HELP WITH THE
06:00:01PM RESPONSE TIMES UP THERE.
06:00:02PM I AM JUST RECENTLY -- YOU KNOW, WE HAD ONE OF OUR MEMBERS.
06:00:07PM THERE WAS A PEDIATRIC DROWNING IN THE POOL WHERE THEY HAD TO
06:00:10PM CALL FOR A HELICOPTER UP IN THE K-BAR RANCH AREA, AND THE
06:00:14PM FIRE TRUCK FOR THE LANDING ZONE GOT THERE AT THE SAME TIME
06:00:18PM AS THE HELICOPTER.
06:00:19PM THAT IS PRETTY BAD.
06:00:20PM THAT COMMUNITY NEEDS THAT FIRE STATION.
06:00:23PM OUR FIRST RESPONDERS NEED THAT FIRE STATION.
06:00:28PM IT WOULD BE A HUGE BENEFIT TO ALL PARTIES INVOLVED WITH THE
06:00:32PM FIRE FIGHTERS CAN JUST GET WHAT WAS OWED TO THEM IN THIS
06:00:35PM LAST YEAR'S BUDGET.
06:00:36PM THAT $11 MILLION INCLUDED EQUIPMENT.
06:00:41PM AND -- INCLUDED EQUIPMENT.
06:00:43PM INCLUDED PERSONNEL.
06:00:45PM THE WHOLE KIT AND CABOODLE.
06:00:47PM TAX, DEALER GUYS, TITLES, WHICHEVER IS INCLUDED.
06:00:51PM IT WAS ALL IN THAT -- WHAT AND IN THERE.
06:00:54PM IF IT IS $650,000 OR $1.5 MILLION -- I HAVE A HARD TIME
06:01:03PM UNDERSTANDING THAT FOR SURVEYS AND ARCHITECTS.
06:01:05PM BUT THAT IS JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION.
06:01:09PM ESPECIALLY IF WE ARE DOING A LOT OF COPY AND PASTE FROM
06:01:13PM PREVIOUS DESIGNS.
06:01:14PM HOPEFULLY WE WILL GET WITH THIS CURRENT CODE BOOK WITH THE
06:01:17PM HEALTH AND SAFETY STANDARDS TO ASSURE THAT WE ARE UP TO
06:01:21PM STANDARDS FOR THE FIRE STATION 24.
06:01:23PM A LOT OF VALUABLE RESOURCES WITHIN OUR OWN DEPARTMENT THAT
06:01:26PM CAN HELP TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PLANS ARE DONE.
06:01:30PM SO I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON FIRE STATION 24
06:01:36PM TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
06:01:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
06:01:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
06:01:39PM YOUR HAND WAS UP AND COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN WOULD LIKE TO.
06:01:44PM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I ASK HIM A QUESTION AND THEN MO OF TO
06:01:47PM SOMETHING ELSE.
06:01:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ASK THE QUESTION AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE THE
06:01:51PM MICROPHONE.
06:01:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO IF YOU HAD -- IN FISCAL YEAR '24, IF
06:01:57PM YOU HAD X NUMBER OF DOLLARS.
06:01:59PM I HATE TO THROW OUT ASH TARRY, $15 MILLION AND THAT WAS
06:02:03PM MEANT TO RENOVATE FIRE STATIONS AND OR BUILD A FIRE STATION
06:02:07PM AND -- LESS FIRE STATIONS .FROM REPRESENTING THE MEN AND
06:02:10PM WOMEN THAT WORK IN OUR FIRE STATIONS ACROSS THE CITY.
06:02:14PM WE HEARD FROM THE ADMINISTRATION WHAT THEIR PRIORITIES ARE.
06:02:17PM WHAT ARE YOUR PRIORITIES IN FISCAL YEAR '24.
06:02:20PM >>NICK STOCCO: FOR '24.
06:02:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: KEEP THAT IN THE BUDGET AND A SET POT OF
06:02:34PM MONEY, CAN YOU PRIORITIZE REPRESENTING THE MEN AND WOMEN OF
06:02:38PM TAMPA FIRE RESCUE WHERE YOUR PRIORITIES ARE IN THAT ONE
06:02:43PM 12-MONTH SEGMENT BETWEEN RENOVATION AND NEW CONSTRUCTION?
06:02:47PM >>NICK STOCCO: YES, AND I SECOND WHAT CHIEF TRIPP SAID.
06:02:52PM THE FIRE CHIEF WAS VERY ACCURATE IN THOSE THREE IMMEDIATE
06:02:56PM STATION NEEDS BEING STATIONS 10, 6, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY TOP
06:03:01PM OF THE LIST BEING 9 WITH THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE
06:03:05PM HOUSED THERE WITH SUPPLY -- WITH SUPPLY DIVISION -- SORRY,
06:03:10PM WITH THE FIRE SHOP BEING HOUSED THERE.
06:03:12PM THAT IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THE TOP PRIORITIES.
06:03:14PM IN 2018, THE FIRE STATION $2.3 MILLION, MAYBE $3.9 MILLION
06:03:22PM FOR BRAND-NEW.
06:03:23PM FIRE STATION 23 WAS 5.9 MILLION BECAUSE OF THE CLASSROOM AND
06:03:28PM MULTIPURPOSE ROOM IN THE BACK WAS 800,000, 900,000 WHICH I
06:03:32PM AM NOT HERE TO QUESTION PRICE.
06:03:33PM BUT FOR A ROOM --
06:03:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE ALL HAVE STICKER SHOCK ON PRICES
06:03:39PM NOWADAYS.
06:03:39PM I OPEN UP MY TECO BILL AND THE COST OF SIDEWALKS AND ROADS.
06:03:43PM IT IS CRAZY.
06:03:44PM I AGREE.
06:03:45PM IT IS CRAZY, JUST INSANE.
06:03:47PM >>NICK STOCCO: AT THE 5.3, 5.5 OR 5.9 '18 TO NOW, INVESTING
06:03:58PM $1.5 MILLION INTO CONTINUOUSLY PUTTING A BAND-AID ON WHAT
06:04:02PM COULD BE A BULLET WOUND.
06:04:05PM THESE STATIONS ARE 100 YEARS OLD.
06:04:08PM MANY OF THEM ARE 70% PAST THEIR LIFE EXPECTANCY.
06:04:13PM WHAT POINT DO WE DRAW THE LINE AND GET THE BULLDOZER AND A
06:04:17PM STATION.
06:04:17PM TO CONTINUOUSLY PUT MONEY IN THESE STATIONS TO RENOVATE
06:04:21PM THEM.
06:04:21PM >> A GOOD QUESTION.
06:04:22PM DO WE BUILD A BRAND-NEW STATION 24 OR TEAR DOWN OUR WORST
06:04:27PM STATION AND BUILD A NEW STATION IN ITS PLACE.
06:04:29PM IF YOU HAD TO PICK ONE, WOULD YOU REPLACE AN EXISTING
06:04:33PM STATION WITH A NEW STATION?
06:04:34PM OR WOULD YOU ADD FIRE STATION 24?
06:04:39PM >>NICK STOCCO: I THINK THAT QUESTION HAS TWO PARTS TO IT
06:04:43PM BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH EQUALLY IMPORTANT, RIGHT.
06:04:45PM ONE ISSUE UP NORTH THAT IS DISTANCE WITH RESPONSE TIMES TO
06:04:50PM GET TO THAT PEDIATRIC DROWNING, BUT THEN YOU HAD SUPPORTING
06:04:54PM CHIEF TRIPP'S MISSION IS ADDING THOSE ALS TRANSPORT UNITS IN
06:05:00PM THESE STATIONS THAT CAN NO LONGER SUSTAIN THEM.
06:05:02PM WE DON'T HAVE ROOM TO ADD THOSE -- THOSE RESOURCES IN THESE
06:05:06PM STATIONS.
06:05:07PM SO WE CAN'T MOVE FURTHER IN THE EXISTING STATIONS IF WE
06:05:12PM DON'T REBUILD THEM.
06:05:14PM WE HAVE RENOVATED STATION 9 BEFORE.
06:05:17PM ADDED A FOOT OF LIP OFF THE BACK TO TRY TO ADD ANOTHER
06:05:21PM VEHICLE THERE.
06:05:22PM WE ARE BACK IN THE SAME BOAT TALKING OF STATION 9 AGAIN.
06:05:26PM JUST A CONTINUOUS WHEEL.
06:05:28PM BUT THE IMPORTANCE LEVEL IS -- IT IS BOTH.
06:05:33PM YOU HAVE THE RESPONSE TIMES FOR THE COMMUNITY UP THERE AND
06:05:36PM THE LONG RESPONSE TIMES.
06:05:37PM BUT THEN YOU HAVE THE HEALTH AND SAFETY COMPONENT THAT IS
06:05:41PM MORE THAN JUST ONE STATION, BY THE WAY.
06:05:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: JUST TO KIND OF BRING IT ALL TOGETHER.
06:05:47PM IF I HEAR IT CORRECTLY, YOU ARE IN LINE WITH CHIEF TRIPP ON
06:05:50PM THE PRIORITIES THAT WE NEED TO RENOVATE THESE STATIONS TO
06:05:54PM MEET THE NEEDS OF THE MEN AND WOMEN IN TAMPA FIRE AND THE
06:05:57PM CITIZENS OF TAMPA.
06:05:57PM AND I HEAR IT IS A DEFICIT BECAUSE YOU HIGHLIGHTED ADVANCED
06:06:01PM LIFE SUPPORT ISSUE WITH -- WHERE WE WOULD NORMALLY PLACE THE
06:06:04PM NEW FIRE STATION 24 AT SOME POINT WHICH WE ARE IN THE DESIGN
06:06:08PM PHASE NOW OR GOING TO BE IN THE DESIGN PHASE FOR FISCAL '24
06:06:12PM THAT MAYBE WE CAN HAVE A BAND-AID APPROACH OF DEPLOYING ALS
06:06:17PM SOMEWHERE UP THERE TO TRY TO SHORTEN THAT WITHOUT
06:06:21PM IMMEDIATELY CONSTRUCTING THAT STATION AND MAYBE WE CAN PUT A
06:06:23PM TEMPORARY -- SOMETHING TEMPORARY TO MEET THOSE NEEDS UNTIL
06:06:28PM WE COME OUT OF THE GROUND.
06:06:29PM THE MOST IMMEDIATE NEEDS IF I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY RENOVATING
06:06:33PM THOSE STATIONS AND TEARING DOWN THE ONES THAT ARE IN SUCH
06:06:36PM BAD CONDITION THAT WE HAVE TO REPLACE THEM.
06:06:38PM AM I CORRECT.
06:06:40PM >> THE MORE CORRECT STATEMENT IS REBUILD THE STATIONS.
06:06:44PM THE RENOVATION OF THE STATION FROM 1906 TO 1910 WAS DONE.
06:06:49PM 13 UGLY MEN CAME IN AND HELPED TO RENOVATE THE STATION --
06:06:53PM FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WERE REMEMBER, HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF
06:06:58PM THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AND WE HAVE REPORT OF SOME BAD
06:07:01PM CONDITIONS IN THAT STATION.
06:07:02PM I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO DETAILED WITH THEM TO WHERE THE
06:07:05PM BULLDOZER NEED TO COME OUT.
06:07:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OF THE THREE HIGHLIGHTED, 6, 9 AND 10.
06:07:11PM WOULD YOU SAY TWO OF THOSE NEED TO BE RAZED BY YOUR
06:07:17PM PROVISIONAL OPINION.
06:07:18PM >> NINE IS THE TOP PRIORITY BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE
06:07:22PM HOUSE THERE FOLLOWED BY TEN AND SIX.
06:07:24PM AND I DEFER TO THE CHIEF.
06:07:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU KNOW THE MEN AND WOMEN OF TAMPA FIRE
06:07:30PM HAVE MY 100% SUPPORT OF WHAT YOU ALL DO.
06:07:33PM ANYTHING WE CAN DO IN THIS BUDGET -- I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT
06:07:36PM OF SUPPORT UP HERE.
06:07:36PM ANYTHING WE CAN TO DO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
06:07:39PM ACTUALLY PROVIDING THE SERVICE, I THINK, WE WILL TRY TO STEP
06:07:42PM UP AND DO THAT WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE BUDGET THAT WE
06:07:46PM HAVE AND KNOWING THAT SPECIAL CONSTRUCTION MONEY IS SPREAD
06:07:48PM OUT OVER MULTIPLE YEARS AND WE NEED TO MEET THE '24 NEEDS
06:07:52PM TODAY AND BUDGET -- AND THINK IN OUR HEADS HOW TO GET TO '25
06:07:58PM AND '26 TO GET TO THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF GETTING YOU GUYS WHAT
06:08:01PM YOU NEED.
06:08:02PM >>NICK STOCCO: SURE, I APPRECIATE THAT.
06:08:07PM I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THINGS.
06:08:08PM 30 PERSONNEL FROM THE SAFER GRANT AND MO MATCH COST FOR THE
06:08:12PM FIRST THREE YEARS.
06:08:12PM THE CHIEF MENTIONED 15 RESCUES WERE PURCHASED.
06:08:16PM I BELIEVE FIVE ENGINES, A TILLER, AND TWO LEVIES.
06:08:20PM THOSE HAVE BEEN PURCHASED.
06:08:23PM THE PEOPLE ARE GRANT AND THIRD ONE I FORGOT OFF THE TOP OF
06:08:30PM MY HEAD.
06:08:30PM REALLY THE REBUILD AND THE FIRE STATION 24.
06:08:35PM ASIDE FROM THE UNION SALARIES AND THE SALARY CONVERSATIONS.
06:08:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YEAH, YOU ARE SAFE.
06:08:40PM >>NICK STOCCO: JOIN THE UNION.
06:08:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU KNOW WHERE I AM AT.
06:08:46PM >>NICK STOCCO: I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE 30 PEOPLE FROM SAFER
06:08:53PM GRANT.
06:08:53PM AND FROM WHAT WE HEARD TODAY, 15 RESCUES, FIVE ENGINES,
06:09:02PM TWO HEAVIES AND TILLER TRUCK WAS PURCHASED A YEAR AGO.
06:09:05PM WE HAVE GOT THE VEHICLE.
06:09:07PM SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE COMING.
06:09:08PM WE HAVE THE PEOPLE, SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE COMING AND NOW WE
06:09:10PM NEED TO HOUSE ALL THE STUFF.
06:09:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AGREE WITH CHIEF TRIPP'S ASSESSMENT THAT
06:09:15PM WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE NOW TO HOUSE OR DEPLOY THE
06:09:18PM VEHICLES THAT ARE ON ORDER?
06:09:19PM IS DO WE HAVE A PLACE TO PUT THEM?
06:09:22PM >>NICK STOCCO: I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN ALL TAKE A TRIP WITH
06:09:27PM THE CHIEF'S PERMISSION TO THE SUPPLY CENTER TO SEE IT.
06:09:32PM I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS ROOM IN THE SUPPLY CENTER TO HOUSE
06:09:35PM 15 OR 22 VEHICLES RIGHT NOW, BUT STATION 22 CAN CERTAINLY
06:09:40PM TAKE A RESCUE TOMORROW.
06:09:41PM STATION 12 CAN FIT A RESCUE TOMORROW.
06:09:44PM AND STATION 17 CAN FIT A RESCUE TOMORROW.
06:09:46PM THOSE THREE CAN FIT RESCUES TOMORROW.
06:09:49PM AND THAT WILL MEET MAJORITY OF THE CHIEF'S GOALS.
06:09:53PM AND DEFINITELY THE MEN AND WOMEN OF 754 IN THE COMMUNITY.
06:10:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: VERY INFORMATIVE.
06:10:02PM THANK YOU FOR THOSE ANSWERS.
06:10:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND COUNCILMAN BE
06:10:06PM HURTAK.
06:10:06PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO SAY WHAT MY COLLEAGUE SAID TOO.
06:10:10PM I AM ALSO 100% BEHIND YOU ALL AND THE POLICE.
06:10:13PM YOU KNOW FIRE SAFETY IS -- FIRE RESCUE, FIRE SAFETY, AND
06:10:18PM PUBLIC SAFETY ARE IMPORTANT THINGS IN THIS COMMUNITY.
06:10:20PM OUR COMMUNITY CAN'T OPERATE AT ALL UNLESS WE FEEL SAFE.
06:10:24PM AND I HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH FOLKS ABOUT THAT.
06:10:27PM AND I WANT TO ASK YOU ONE QUESTION AND QUICKLY GO TO OTHER
06:10:30PM THINGS AND LET EVERYBODY ELSE ASK YOU MORE.
06:10:33PM BUT A YEAR OR SO AGO WHEN CITY COUNCIL THOUGHT WE APPROVED
06:10:38PM THE $11 MILLION FOR STATION 24, DID YOU HAVE THE EXPECTATION
06:10:42PM THEN THAT IT WOULD BE BUILT OR START?
06:10:45PM >>NICK STOCCO: I THINK WE THOUGHT THAT IN 2019.
06:10:50PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHEN DID YOU FIGURE OUT THE $11 MILLION WAS
06:10:53PM NOT ALLOCATED TO THAT STATION?
06:10:56PM >>NICK STOCCO: PROBABLY THE SAME TIME YOU DID.
06:10:59PM >>BILL CARLSON: LAST NIGHT.
06:11:01PM >>NICK STOCCO: ON A SCREENSHOT WHEN I SENT IT TO COUNCILMAN
06:11:07PM VIERA.
06:11:07PM >>BILL CARLSON: WE NEED TO IMPROVE COMMUNICATION.
06:11:10PM IF NICK THOUGHT IT, THE HARD-WORKING FIRE FIGHTERS THOUGHT
06:11:14PM THERE WAS SOME RELIEF COMING.
06:11:15PM AND IT -- WE -- WE JUST FOUND OUT THAT IT WASN'T APPROVED.
06:11:19PM JUST LIKE WHEN -- WHEN THE BUDGET WAS INITIALLY PUSHED, IT
06:11:26PM WAS SAID THAT THE NEW TAX PAY FOR 30 FIRE FIGHTERS AND 30
06:11:29PM POLICE OFFICERS AND FOUND THAT THEY ARE BEING PAID BY GRANTS
06:11:31PM INSTEAD.
06:11:32PM LITTLE BIT OF MONEY IN THE FIRST YEAR FOR POLICE.
06:11:35PM ANYWAY, I WANT TO MENTION COUPLE OF THINGS REAL FAST.
06:11:40PM THIS IS NOT THE CRA MEETING.
06:11:42PM WE WILL TALK OF CRA TOMORROW.
06:11:44PM THE LAST ADMINISTRATION PHILOSOPHY TO USE CRA MONEY TO
06:11:49PM SUBSIDIZE DEVELOPERS.
06:11:50PM I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH THAT.
06:11:52PM WHAT WE HAVE DONE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, WE SUPPORTED
06:11:55PM MOSTLY CITY-OWNED FACILITIES THAT DIRECTLY ARE TIED TO THE
06:11:58PM ECONOMIC VITALITY AND INNOVATION IN THIS COMMUNITY.
06:12:02PM BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU ALL REMEMBER GROUPS LIKE HOPE
06:12:06PM AND OTHERS LOBBIED FOR TEN OR MORE YEARS TO GET AFFORDABLE
06:12:10PM HOUSING FUNDING AT THE COUNTY.
06:12:13PM AND THE CITY'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUDGET WAS VERY LOW.
06:12:16PM AND ONE DECISION, WE, SITTING AS A CRA BOARD, VOTED TO
06:12:20PM CREATE A FUND THAT THIS YEAR IS $23 MILLION, $25 MILLION.
06:12:25PM THE BIGGEST AMOUNT OF CITY -- THE CITY OR THE COUNTY EVER
06:12:29PM PUT IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
06:12:30PM WE, AS A CITY COUNCIL, HAS BEEN THE LEADERS IN OUR COMMUNITY
06:12:34PM ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
06:12:35PM NOT ENOUGH AS A COMMUNITY MEMBER SAID LAST WEEK, THEY ARE
06:12:38PM BIG NUMBERS.
06:12:39PM IF 50,000 PEOPLE NEED SOME KIND OF HOME.
06:12:42PM NOT INCLUDING EVERYBODY CAN'T AFFORD WHERE THEY LIVE.
06:12:45PM 50,000 PEOPLE NEED HOMES AND SPENT $100,000 ON EACH ONE, $5
06:12:50PM BILLION.
06:12:50PM EVEN IF WE ALLOCATED $100 MILLION, IT IS NOT A DENT IN THAT
06:12:55PM HUGE NUMBER.
06:12:55PM WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE OTHER STRATEGIES TO TRY TO FIGURE THIS
06:12:59PM OUT.
06:12:59PM WE AS CITY COUNCIL AND WE AS THE CRA BOARD HAVE REALLY
06:13:03PM PUSHED TOWARD THAT.
06:13:05PM MR. ROGERO, I WHY JUST WANT TO RESPOND TO SOMETHING.
06:13:10PM YOU CAN RESPOND IF YOU WANT.
06:13:12PM YOU TALKED ABOUT THE 2020 7% RESERVE FUNDS CAME FROM FEDERAL
06:13:19PM MONEY.
06:13:19PM IF WE WANTED TO, COULD WE HAVE SPENT THAT MONEY?
06:13:22PM OR DESIGNATED SPECIFICALLY TO BE PUT INTO RESERVES?
06:13:27PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT WAS BEING HELD IN RESERVE PENDING THE
06:13:29PM DECISION AS TO HOW WE SPENT IT.
06:13:32PM >>BILL CARLSON: I MEAN DID THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WHEN THEY
06:13:34PM GAVE IT TO US, DID THEY GIVE IT TO US FOR THE PURPOSE OF
06:13:38PM PUTTING IN RESERVES OR WE DECIDE TO PUT IT IN RESERVES.
06:13:42PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT WAS -- I HATE TO GET WONKISH WITH THE
06:13:50PM NOMENCLATURE.
06:13:50PM THE FUND BALANCE -- WE LIKE TO CALL IT RESERVE, BUT SIMPLY
06:13:54PM FUNDING THAT IS NOT APPROPRIATED FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
06:13:58PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT I MEAN, IF YOU PULL A BUCKET OF WATER
06:14:01PM INTO A LAKE AND YOU PULL ANOTHER BUCKET OUT, DOESN'T MEAN
06:14:04PM YOU PULLED THE SAME BUCKET OF WATER.
06:14:06PM THE SAME THING WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE BUDGET.
06:14:09PM ALTHOUGH WE HAVE FEDERAL FUNDING THAT HELPED COVER OUR COSTS
06:14:12PM AND THINGS, WE MADE AN INTENTIONAL DECISION.
06:14:15PM I REMEMBER THOSE DECISIONS EVERY YEAR.
06:14:17PM WE MADE A DECISION.
06:14:19PM YOU AND THE MAYOR LED ON IT.
06:14:22PM I SUPPORTED YOU AND OTHERS SUPPORTED YOU.
06:14:24PM WE MADE A CONSCIOUS DECISION.
06:14:26PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES.
06:14:27PM >>BILL CARLSON: WE COULD HAVE SPENT MONEY ON SOMETHING ELSE
06:14:29PM AND WE KNEW WE HAD TO SECURE THE ECONOMIC VITALITY OF THE
06:14:33PM CITY.
06:14:33PM LAST THING -- THANK YOU, SIR.
06:14:35PM LAST THING.
06:14:36PM IF WE HAVE TO HIT $45 MILLION, WE HAVE TO DO IT IN SMALLER
06:14:40PM BITS.
06:14:40PM IF THE LOBBYISTS ARE $1 MILLION AND EDC HALF A MILLION, $1.5
06:14:46PM MILLION.
06:14:47PM IF WE HAVE TO DO $1 MILLION AT A TIME, LET'S DO IT.
06:14:51PM HOPEFULLY -- SOME FOLKS ARE WORRIED OF CUTTING EXISTING
06:14:55PM POSITIONS OR RAISES FOR EXISTING POSITION.
06:14:57PM LET'S COST THIS NEW POSITION $165,000 THAT THE MAYOR IS
06:15:01PM PROPOSING.
06:15:01PM NOBODY IN THAT POSITION RIGHT NOW.
06:15:03PM SEEMS THAT WILL BE LOW HANGING FRUIT.
06:15:05PM WE MIGHT NOT GET TO $45 MILLION WITH BIG CHUNKS.
06:15:08PM MAY HAVE TO DO IT WITH SMALLER ONES.
06:15:10PM HOPEFULLY TO BUILD CONSENSUS NOT TO BUILD ONE MORE UNFILLED
06:15:16PM POSITION.
06:15:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
06:15:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, THANK YOU.
06:15:21PM I AM GOING TO GO BACK TO FIRE RESCUE REAL QUICK.
06:15:25PM CHIEF TRIPP, ARE YOU STILL ON THE LINE?
06:15:37PM IS SHE STILL THERE?
06:15:39PM OKAY.
06:15:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AFTER COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WE WILL GO TO
06:15:45PM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON AND TRY TO WRAP THIS PART OF THE
06:15:48PM DISCUSSION AND TAKE A BREAK THAT SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE
06:15:50PM REQUESTED.
06:15:50PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHERE IS THE FIRE UNION PRESENT.
06:15:53PM CAN I ASK MY QUESTION WHILE SHE IS WAITING.
06:15:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I CAN ASK HIM THE SAME QUESTION.
06:15:57PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY.
06:15:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. STOCCO.
06:16:03PM >>NICK STOCCO: NICK STOCCO, TAMPA FIRE FIGHTERS.
06:16:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHILE IT IS TRUE 15 ENGINES AND FIVE RESCUES
06:16:14PM COMING AND SEEMS LIKE THREE SPOTS FOR NEW ONES.
06:16:17PM FROM MY UNDERSTANDING FROM BOTH CONVERSATIONS WITH CHIEF
06:16:20PM TRIPP AND YOU AND THE UNION MEMBERS, A LOT OF THOSE ARE
06:16:24PM GOING TO REPLACE AGING VEHICLES, AM I CORRECT?
06:16:28PM >>NICK STOCCO: WITHOUT HAVING THOSE COMPACTS, THAT SEEMS
06:16:33PM LIKE AN ACCURATE STATEMENT.
06:16:35PM THESE ARE EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
06:16:36PM AND I UNDERSTAND THE POLICE WITH THE NINE TO SEVEN YEARS.
06:16:40PM WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE IN THE 20S YEARS.
06:16:42PM WHEN THESE VEHICLES ARE 50, 60-MILE-PER-HOUR HUGE TON
06:16:47PM VEHICLES RUNNING EMERGENCY UP AND DOWN NEBRASKA, EAST AND
06:16:51PM WEST ON HANNA, THESE DO PUT A HIGH RISK TO THE COMMUNITY AND
06:16:55PM THE FIRE FIGHTERS SAFETY.
06:16:56PM SO THE REPLACEMENT PORTION OF IT, I BELIEVE IN THE 2021
06:17:00PM WORKSHOP, IT WAS LIKE 17 VEHICLES WERE OUTDATED.
06:17:05PM AND THEN -- THEN -- SORRY, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER HOW
06:17:10PM MANY ARE REPLACED OR HOW MANY ARE NEW.
06:17:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK: REALLY A 20-YEAR-OLD -- IS IT A FIRE -- AN
06:17:15PM ENGINE OR RESCUE CAR?
06:17:17PM >>NICK STOCCO: I WOULD SAY YOU COULD FIND BOTH.
06:17:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WOW.
06:17:26PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: I AM ON THE LINE.
06:17:27PM DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION?
06:17:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MR. STOCCO MAY HAVE ANSWERED IT, BUT YOU CAN
06:17:32PM HELP HERE.
06:17:32PM WE ARE TALKING OF THE 15 RESCUE UNITS AND THE FIVE ENGINES.
06:17:35PM MR. STOCCO, DON'T SIT DOWN.
06:17:38PM [LAUGHTER]
06:17:39PM SORRY, BUT I HAVE MORE FOR YOU.
06:17:40PM SO THE 15 RESCUE UNITS AND FIVE ENGINES THAT WE PAID FOR AND
06:17:48PM YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT HAVING ONLY THREE SPOTS FOR THEM.
06:17:51PM BUT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING FROM CONVERSATION WITH YOU AND
06:17:54PM CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. STOCCO, A LOT OF THOSE ARE GOING TO
06:17:58PM REPLACE VEHICLES IS.
06:17:59PM AND MR. STOCCO JUST SAID THAT WE HAVE FIRE ENGINES AND
06:18:04PM RESCUE CARS THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE 20 YEARS OLD.
06:18:08PM IS THAT ACCURATE?
06:18:10PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: YES AND NO.
06:18:12PM SEMI.
06:18:12PM SO CURRENTLY HOW IT OPERATES, WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL THE
06:18:16PM FRONT-LINE VEHICLES.
06:18:17PM WE HAVE VEHICLES THAT ARE IN RESERVE.
06:18:19PM SO IF YOU -- THE REASON I ORDERED THAT NUMBER OF RESCUE CARS
06:18:23PM IS BECAUSE THE -- THE LIFE EXPECTANCY FOR THE VEHICLES IS
06:18:30PM FIVE YEARS FRONT LINE FIVE YEARS RESERVE.
06:18:33PM AFTER TEN YEARS, IT SHOULD BE DECOMMISSIONED.
06:18:35PM THE ENGINES ARE TEN-YEAR FRONT LINE AND FIVE YEAR RESERVE
06:18:42PM AND AFTER 15 YEARS.
06:18:44PM TRUCK, 15 FRONT LINE, FIVE YEARS RESERVE AND 20 YEARS
06:18:50PM DECOMMISSIONED.
06:18:51PM SO OVER THE YEARS SINCE THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN WORKING
06:18:55PM ON THIS PROJECT, WE ACTUALLY KIND OF JUST PULLED THE
06:18:58PM INFORMATION OUT TO SEE WHAT VEHICLES WE HAVE.
06:19:00PM WHAT IS THEIR LIFE EXPECTANCY AND WHERE DO THEY FIT ON THAT
06:19:05PM CHART.
06:19:05PM PRETTY MUCH WE HAVE 21 RESCUE CARS.
06:19:09PM THAT IS FRONT LINE.
06:19:10PM AND MAYBE -- I WANT TO SAY 10 -- 10 OR 11 SHOULD BE IN
06:19:17PM RESERVE AND THREE OR FOUR OF THOSE CAN BE DEFINITELY
06:19:21PM DECOMMISSIONED.
06:19:21PM AND BASICALLY -- THEY ARE FRONT LINE.
06:19:24PM THESE NEW 15 VEHICLES.
06:19:25PM I CAN GET YOU THE ACCURATE NUMBER.
06:19:27PM BUT THOSE 15 RESCUE CARS THAT WERE ORDERED REPLACE THE ONE
06:19:33PM THAT SHOULD BE AT COMMISSION.
06:19:34PM AND ADD THE ADDITIONAL FIVE TO THE FIELD AS WELL AS REPLACE
06:19:37PM SOME OF THE ONES THAT ARE OUTDATED.
06:19:39PM THE SAME WITH THE ENGINES AS WELL.
06:19:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
06:19:43PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
06:19:44PM AND THEN I WANTED TO TALK TO BOTH OF YOU ABOUT -- SO IT
06:19:51PM DOESN'T SEEM THAT WE NEED THE $11 MILLION LIKE, IMMEDIATELY
06:19:55PM FOR THAT STATION 24 BECAUSE IT IS NOT SHOVEL READY.
06:20:02PM I STILL WOULD LIKE TO HOLD ON TO THE MONEY FOR THAT, BUT
06:20:05PM WHEN LOOKING AT STATION 9.
06:20:07PM STATION 9, NOTHING CAN HAPPEN WITH STATION 9 UNTIL WE FIND A
06:20:11PM PLACE TO MOVE FLEET AND SUPPLY, CORRECT?
06:20:20PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: YES, MA'AM, THAT IS CORRECT.
06:20:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHILE WE ARE SPENDING THIS YEAR, FINISHING UP
06:20:28PM THE -- FINISHING UP THE PLANS FOR STATION 24 INCLUDING
06:20:34PM FINALIZING THE LOCATION, WHICH FOR MY UNDERSTANDING WE DO
06:20:38PM HAVE OR AT LEAST CLOSE TO.
06:20:40PM I THINK WE SHOULD ALLOCATE MONEY TOWARD THE PURCHASE AND
06:20:49PM PLANNING FOR THE FLEET AND SUPPLY, SO THAT THEN IN NEXT
06:20:53PM YEAR'S BUDGET, WE CAN TEAR DOWN AND REPLACE STATION 9.
06:20:58PM DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A POSSIBLE PLAN THAT MIGHT WORK FOR THE
06:21:03PM BOTH OF YOU?
06:21:05PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: OVER THE LAST -- I AM GOING TO SAY THE LAST
06:21:08PM YEAR AND A HALF, THAT IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH
06:21:12PM MULTIPLE INTERNAL DEPARTMENTS TO FIND LAND FOR THE FACILITY
06:21:17PM AND THE SUPPLY AND THE FLEET BUILDING AND THAT IS WHAT WE
06:21:25PM HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR AND THE SYSTEM IS BASICALLY
06:21:29PM INEFFECTIVE AND WE NEED TO FIND A FLEET BUILDINGS.
06:21:31PM I AM GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK FOR THE INTERNAL DEPARTMENTS
06:21:35PM BECAUSE MY PRIMARY GOAL TO TRY TO GET THEM.
06:21:37PM AND SO I GUESS I CAN LET MISS DUNCAN, IF SHE HAS -- OR LET
06:21:42PM CHIEF OF STAFF -- BECAUSE I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THERE WAS ANY
06:21:44PM DESIGN MONEY IN THERE FOR THAT FACILITY THAT CAME UP UNDE
06:21:49PM LAND.
06:21:49PM I AM NOT 100% SURE.
06:21:51PM BUT WORKING WITH INTERNAL DEPARTMENTS TO TRY TO FIND SOME
06:21:55PM PROPERTY FOR THAT.
06:21:56PM >>NICK STOCCO: NICK STOCCO, PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA FIRE FIGHTERS
06:22:04PM 754, AND AS I MENTIONED MANY TIMES, I APPRECIATE THE CHIEF'S COMMENT.
06:22:08PM BUT AS WE TALK OF GROWTH, HOUSING, ONE TO THREE YEARS FOR
06:22:12PM STATIONS, YOU KNOW FISCAL YEAR 2019, WE THOUGHT THEY WERE
06:22:16PM SEEING 24 BY NOW.
06:22:17PM WE NEED -- WHICHEVER IT IS, WE NEED TO ACT.
06:22:20PM WE NEED TO ACT.
06:22:22PM WE NEED TO ACT.
06:22:23PM WE NEED TO ACT.
06:22:24PM ONE TO THREE YEARS, THE CITY WILL PROBABLY -- HAVE MORE
06:22:27PM PEOPLE IN THE JAIL CELLS.
06:22:28PM HOWEVER MR. MIRANDA SAYS IT, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FURTHER
06:22:32PM DOWN THE LINE AND CONTINUE TO PUT THESE STATIONS ON THE
06:22:36PM WAYSIDE.
06:22:37PM WE NEED TO ACT AND ACT QUICKLY AND EFFICIENTLY KNOWING THAT
06:22:41PM WE WERE PROMISED A FIRE STATION BY NOW ALREADY IN THE K-BAR
06:22:45PM RANCH AREA.
06:22:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
06:22:49PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, MR. STOCCO, THE FIRST TIME
06:22:53PM ASKING YOU QUESTIONS PUBLICLY AT THE DAIS.
06:22:55PM I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT WANTING TO SUPPORT FIRE
06:23:00PM STATIONS.
06:23:00PM SO IN THE STARTING OF PLANNING OF NEW FIRE STATIONS, IF WE
06:23:05PM FIND MONEY TO PUT AWAY FOR THAT LINE ITEM WHILE EXPLORING
06:23:11PM NEW REVENUE.
06:23:15PM IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE UNION CAN GET BEHIND?
06:23:17PM ALONG WITH THE $11 MILLION.
06:23:19PM PUT HALF IN FLEET AND HALF IN A NEW STATION.
06:23:22PM SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
06:23:23PM IS THAT -- IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE OPEN TO YOUR
06:23:27PM UNION?
06:23:29PM >> I WOULD JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE QUESTION IS CLEAR
06:23:32PM IF YOU CAN RESTATE THE QUESTION.
06:23:33PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WELL, THE -- CONSTRUCTION SERVICES --
06:23:38PM MISS DUNCAN -- ADMINISTRATOR DUNCAN SAID HOW LONG IT WILL
06:23:43PM TAKE -- EVEN IF WE HAVE THE MONEY HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE.
06:23:46PM SO THE DEDICATION, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IS TO TAKE
06:23:50PM WHAT WE HAVE TO COMMIT TO THE LINE ITEMS RIGHT NOW.
06:23:54PM SO THAT WE CAN GET TO IT WHILE LOOKING FOR THE REVENUE TO
06:24:01PM REALLY DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO FOR THE THREE STATIONS THAT WE
06:24:05PM REALLY -- THE THREE STATIONS THAT ARE THE PRIORITY.
06:24:08PM IN OTHER WORDS, I KNOW NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR THIS WORD, BUT
06:24:13PM MAYBE THE PUBLIC -- BECAUSE THEY ARE LISTENING NOW -- AND
06:24:17PM REMEMBER, ONE MILL IS A START, BUT YOU CAN NEGOTIATE, YOU
06:24:21PM KNOW.
06:24:21PM AND MAYBE THE PUBLIC IS -- BECAUSE THEY ARE LISTENING TO
06:24:25PM THIS, WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, I COULD -- I COULD GIVE -- WHAT
06:24:29PM DID YOU ASK FOR LAST WEEK, POINT 3?
06:24:32PM YOU SEE WHAT I AM SAYING.
06:24:33PM SOMETHING THAT CAN GET US THERE QUICKER.
06:24:35PM MAYBE IN 12 MONTHS, BUT COMMIT THOSE ITEMS RIGHT NOW WITH
06:24:39PM WHAT WE HAVE, LIKE THAT $11 MILLION USE.
06:24:42PM HALF OF IT.
06:24:43PM $5 MILLION FOR FLEET.
06:24:45PM AND I PUT MY NOTES HERE REALLY QUICKLY.
06:24:47PM SO -- YOU KNOW, ALLOCATE HALF FOR FLEET, AND HALF FOR A NEW
06:24:58PM STATION OR TWO OR THREE.
06:24:59PM I JUST -- I JUST FEEL LIKE THE REALITY IS -- IS THAT IT IS
06:25:05PM NOT GOING TO GET BUILT THIS YEAR.
06:25:07PM AND THAT IS JUST REALITY.
06:25:09PM BUT THE COMMITMENT STARTING RIGHT NOW.
06:25:12PM AND -- INSTEAD OF SCRAMBLING AND TRYING TO TAKE PEOPLE'S
06:25:16PM SALARIES AND RAISES, I MEAN, OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, IS
06:25:20PM THAT MAYBE THE PUBLIC WILL BE MORE OPEN TO GIVING US WHAT WE
06:25:24PM NEED FOR THE PRIORITY IN 2024.
06:25:28PM BECAUSE THEY HEAR US NOW.
06:25:29PM THEY KNOW THIS IS SERIOUS AND WE DO NEED THOSE STATIONS.
06:25:33PM BUT, YET, OUR COMMITMENT STARTS ON -- NEXT WEEK WHERE WE
06:25:38PM SUBMIT ON THOSE LINE ITEMS SO WE CAN GET THERE.
06:25:40PM I JUST -- I JUST DON'T -- YOU KNOW, I WANT TO SUPPORT FIRE
06:25:45PM AND I WANT THE REALITY TO BE IN PLACE THAT EVEN IF -- IF WE
06:25:51PM -- IF WE TOOK ALL THE MONEY YOU DESIRE TO BUILD THE FIRE
06:25:54PM STATION, IT IS NOT GOING TO GET BUILT IN A YEAR.
06:25:56PM BUT WE CAN START THAT PROCESS.
06:25:58PM AND, YOU KNOW, IT IS JUST LIKE HAVING A BABY.
06:26:02PM 12 MONTHS GO BY REAL QUICK.
06:26:03PM NEXT THING YOU KNOW -- I THINK WE CAN FIND A WAY TO MAKE THE
06:26:09PM COMMITMENT JUST LIKE WE DID WHEN WE MADE THE COMMITMENT HERE
06:26:14PM FOR THE SET-ASIDE OF 30% OF CRA DOLLARS GOING TO HOUSING.
06:26:18PM SO WE CAN MAKE A COMMITMENT WITH -- IF OUR COMMITMENT STARTS
06:26:25PM TODAY BY ALLOCATING MONEY TO FIRE, AND THEN WORKING REALLY
06:26:30PM HARD, EVEN WITH A GREAT MARKETING PLAN.
06:26:34PM HAVING THE MAYOR COME OUT RIGHT AWAY HOPEFULLY WITH HER NEXT
06:26:37PM YEAR'S BUDGET SAYING WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS.
06:26:39PM AND THIS IS WHY WE ARE ASKING FOR A MILLAGE INCREASE.
06:26:42PM MAYBE THE PUBLIC WILL BE OPEN TO JUST A POINT WHAT --
06:26:48PM SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
06:26:49PM UP KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING.
06:26:50PM BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO NEGOTIATE WITH.
06:26:52PM OUR TO THE IS OUR POT.
06:26:54PM AND IT CAN ONLY.
06:26:57PM WE CAN MOVE IT AROUND AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BUT WE ARE STILL
06:27:01PM GOING TO HAVE NEEDS.
06:27:02PM I DON'T WANT TO TAKE IT FROM DR. -- CHIEF BERCAW JUST TO
06:27:07PM GIVE IT TO YOU AND JUSTIFYING THAT.
06:27:09PM THAT JUST DOESN'T WORK WELL WITH ME.
06:27:11PM SO I JUST WANTED TO WORK TOGETHER IN THAT WAY.
06:27:14PM AND I AM JUST PUTTING IT ON THE TABLE TO SAY, LET'S MAKE A
06:27:19PM COMMITMENT TO THE LINE ITEM ON THE 19th, AND THEN DO WHAT WE
06:27:24PM HAVE TO DO TO CONVINCE THE PUBLIC THIS IS REAL AND THIS IS
06:27:27PM WHY.
06:27:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA AND MIRANDA.
06:27:35PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: DO YOU WANT TO RESPOND.
06:27:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CHIEF TRIPP, GO AHEAD.
06:27:39PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: MY APOLOGIES.
06:27:41PM I DIDN'T MEAN TO TRY TO CUT YOU OFF.
06:27:44PM AS WE SPEAK OF THIS.
06:27:45PM WE KNOW THE FIRE STATION WILL TAKE YEARS.
06:27:47PM THIS ADMINISTRATION --
06:27:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: UH-OH.
06:27:51PM WE LOST YOUR AUDIO.
06:27:53PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: OKAY.
06:27:54PM CAN YOU MARY ME NOW?
06:27:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
06:27:58PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: I WANT TO SAY THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS
06:28:01PM BEEN WORKING OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS WHEN COUNCILMAN VIERA
06:28:04PM SAYS HE WANTS SOME ANSWERS NOW UP ON THE NORTH END FOR
06:28:08PM STATION 13.
06:28:08PM YOU KNOW, WE IMPLEMENTED A COUPLE OF CHANGES TO MAKE SURE
06:28:14PM THAT WE PROVIDE THE NEEDS TO THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT WAS UP
06:28:18PM THERE.
06:28:18PM SO WITH THAT, WE HAVE BEEN STARTING FROM SCRATCH, TRYING TO
06:28:23PM SEE WHERE THE NEEDS ARE AT WHEN IT COMES TO THE FIRE
06:28:25PM STATION, PERSONNEL AND EQUIPMENT.
06:28:26PM THAT IS HOW IT COMES -- I WENT TO FINANCE AND SAID, HEY, I
06:28:30PM NEED 15 MORE RESCUE CARS TO OFFSET.
06:28:33PM THEY SAID PERFECT.
06:28:34PM WE DID THAT.
06:28:35PM I SIT THERE AND LOOK AT THE CALL VOLUME WE RUN INTO WITH
06:28:40PM 80%.
06:28:40PM 90% OF THE CALLS ARE MEDICAL CALLS, WE NEED MORE RESCUE
06:28:44PM UNITS.
06:28:44PM HOW CAN I MAKE THIS QUICK AND CONVENIENT FOR THE COMMUNITY
06:28:48PM THAT DOESN'T CAUSE SO MUCH OVERHEAD.
06:28:51PM AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTING.
06:28:54PM WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE STATIONS NEED TO BE REMODELLED,
06:28:58PM REBUILT, RENOVATED AND BROUGHT UP THE CODES AND HOW THEY ARE
06:29:02PM ABLE TO DO STATION 25.
06:29:03PM WITH THAT BEING SAID AS WE LOOK FORWARD.
06:29:08PM STATIONS -- TAKE THE THREE THAT I TALKED ABOUT.
06:29:11PM IT WILL TAKE YEARS FOR THEM TO GET BUILT.
06:29:13PM BUT WHAT CAN I DO NOW?
06:29:16PM WE NEED TO DO STATION IMPROVEMENT.
06:29:17PM I HAVE QUITE A FEW STATION THAT WERE BUILT IN THE 50s THAT
06:29:21PM COULD TAKE A GOOD OVERALL.
06:29:23PM WE COULD INCREASE SOME SPACE TO HELP ACCOMMODATE FOR THE MEN
06:29:26PM AND WOMEN THAT WE ARE PUTTING IN STATIONS, AS WELL AS
06:29:30PM WHENEVER THERE IS A NATURAL DISASTER.
06:29:32PM WHEN WE HAVE TO CALL INDIVIDUALS BACK INTO WORK TO HOUSE
06:29:35PM THAT.
06:29:36PM WE CAN DO THAT WITH SOME OF THAT.
06:29:39PM WE CAN DO THAT NOW.
06:29:40PM AND WHAT I AM SAYING, IF IT TOOK STATION 25 ALMOST A YEAR TO
06:29:44PM GET RENOVATED.
06:29:46PM WE SHOULD DO THAT WITH A COUPLE OF THOSE STATIONS BUILT IN
06:29:51PM THE 50s AND FIND RESOURCES TO BUILD 24.
06:29:53PM NOW THAT WE HAVE THAT DESIGN MONEY THERE, WE WILL MOVE
06:29:58PM FORWARD.
06:29:58PM LIKE MISS DUNCAN SAID A COUPLE OF YEARS FOR PLANNING,
06:30:02PM CONTRACTORS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.
06:30:03PM BUT STUFF WE CAN DO NOW IF THE MONEY IS AVAILABLE TO
06:30:06PM RENOVATE SOME OF THOSE STATIONS THAT ARE CAPABLE OF BEING
06:30:09PM RENOVATED UNTIL WE CAN, YOU KNOW, GET THE PROPERTY AND THE
06:30:13PM LAND TO REBUILD THE ONES THAT NEED TO BUILD.
06:30:16PM INITIALLY YOU ASKED ME WHAT ARE THE TOP PRIORITIES.
06:30:19PM WE TALK OF THE TOP PRIORITIES, THOSE ARE THE THREE STATIONS
06:30:23PM IN THE WORST CONDITION OR THE WORST SITUATION.
06:30:25PM AND IT WILL TAKE YEARS TO GET THAT.
06:30:27PM BUT WE CAN DO SOME THINGS NOW BY TAKING -- I BELIEVE IT IS
06:30:32PM FIVE OR SIX OF THOSE STATIONS BUILT 50s TO GO AND TRY TO GET
06:30:37PM THEM IN RENOVATED.
06:30:38PM I WILL END THERE.
06:30:39PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU WANT TO RESPOND, MR. STOCCO.
06:30:43PM >>NICK STOCCO: TAMPA FIRE FIGHTERS.
06:30:47PM I RESPECT YOUR TIME AND COMMENTS ON THIS ESPECIALLY HOW FAR
06:30:51PM WE ARE INTO THIS.
06:30:51PM AND IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF A REPLAY.
06:30:55PM I KNOW THAT I AM YOUNG, I LOOK YOUNG, HOWEVER, I HAVE BEEN
06:30:59PM VERY INVOLVED AND ACTIVE.
06:31:06PM I KNOW YOU ALL ARE NEW AND GIVE THE COUNCIL THE BENEFIT THAT
06:31:12PM WE WILL GROW AND CUT THE RIBBON ONE DAY AND SHAKE A SHOVEL.
06:31:16PM IT SOUNDS LIKE AN AUTO REWIND, REPLAY FOR MANY, MANY YEARS
06:31:20PM IN THE PAST EVEN PRIOR TO 2019.
06:31:24PM AND IT IS REALLY WHY, YOU KNOW, WE ARE AS PASSIONATE THAT WE
06:31:28PM ARE ADDING THESE STATIONS.
06:31:29PM MANY HAVE TOLD -- YOU KNOW, HEY, WE ARE JUST NOT GOING TO
06:31:34PM GET ONE.
06:31:34PM WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT FOR MANY YEARS.
06:31:36PM MAYOR IORIO.
06:31:38PM IT WAS IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FROM 2006 TO 2011 TO
06:31:43PM ADD A STATION DOWNTOWN.
06:31:45PM NOT FLORIDA.
06:31:45PM IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME IT HAS BEEN A CONTINUOUS -- A
06:31:49PM CONTINUOUS, AND I REALLY, REALLY RESPECT Y'ALL'S TIME AND
06:31:53PM EFFORTS, BUT IT HAS BEEN A HUGE REPLAY, REWIND OF THE SAME
06:31:57PM OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
06:31:58PM AND WILL BE ALL NEW COUNCIL AND AN ALL NEW UNION STAFF AND
06:32:02PM GET THE SAME PROBLEM 15 YEARS FROM NOW.
06:32:05PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: MR. STOCCO, YOU KNOW, I AM MAKING THE
06:32:12PM COMMITMENT RIGHT NOW PUBLICLY IN FRONT OF YOU.
06:32:14PM I THINK THAT THE PUBLIC IS SEEING ME COME INTO MY OWN IN
06:32:18PM THIS POSITION.
06:32:20PM I WILL COMMIT TO YOU AND CHIEF TRIPP, THAT THIS WILL BE A
06:32:23PM PRIORITY.
06:32:24PM I BELIEVE IN FIRE.
06:32:25PM AND I WANT FOR YOU TO HAVE WHAT YOU NEED.
06:32:28PM BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE REVENUE RIGHT NOW.
06:32:30PM BUT I AM MAKING THE COMMITMENT.
06:32:32PM THIS IS NOT KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
06:32:34PM I SAID THAT A FEW MINUTES AGO, BUT OF COURSE YOU GOT TO KEEP
06:32:37PM LISTENING AND BE OPEN AND WHATEVER, I WANT THAT TO BE LINE
06:32:41PM ITEM ON THE 19th SO THAT IS THE START.
06:32:44PM WE ARE PUTTING IT IN THE LINE ITEM.
06:32:46PM WE ARE WORKING TOWARD THESE GOALS.
06:32:48PM AND WE NEED EITHER THE REVENUE SOURCE IN SOME KIND OF WAY
06:32:58PM THE FINANCING EXPERTS.
06:33:00PM OR A SLIGHT MILLAGE INCREASE TO GET EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEED.
06:33:03PM AND I AM COMMITTING TO THAT AND AT LEAST YOU SHOULD GIVE US
06:33:07PM THE 12 MONTHS TO DO THAT.
06:33:08PM TO GIVE US TO THE 19th TO PUT IT ON THE LINE ITEM TO MAKE IT
06:33:13PM A REALITY.
06:33:14PM THAT IS NOT KICKING IT DOWN THE ROAD.
06:33:15PM THAT IS A COMMITMENT RIGHT NOW PUTTING FUND AWAY -- THOSE
06:33:20PM FUNDS AWAY.
06:33:20PM AND THEN -- YOU KNOW, ASKING STAFF TO FIND HOW WE CAN
06:33:26PM GENERATE THE REVENUE.
06:33:29PM BECAUSE EVEN -- A TAX IS A TAX EVEN IF IT IS A FEE OR IF IT
06:33:34PM -- YOU KNOW, A MILLAGE.
06:33:35PM IT IS STILL A TAX.
06:33:36PM BUT WE NEED THE SUPPORT.
06:33:38PM AND WE GOT TO COME UP -- THE REPORT -- THE STAFF REPORT
06:33:42PM NEEDS TO CHANGE TO THAT TO GO, OKAY, WHAT CAN WE DO SO THAT
06:33:48PM WE CAN GET A COMMITMENT FROM -- I MEAN GET THE FOUR VOTES WE
06:33:51PM NEED TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
06:33:52PM BUT WE START WITH THE COMMITMENT ON THE 19th.
06:33:55PM THAT -- YOU GOT TO BELIEVE THAT.
06:33:57PM THESE ARE YOUR NEW GIRLFRIENDS UP HERE -- I MEAN NEW -- YOU
06:34:01PM KNOW, NEOPHYTES.
06:34:03PM TWO NEOPHYTES UP HERE.
06:34:06PM EVERYONE ELSE HAS BEEN UP HERE AND YOU HAVE BEEN COMING BACK
06:34:09PM AND PAYING ATTENTION.
06:34:10PM BUT I CAN MAKE THAT COMMITMENT RIGHT NOW PUBLICLY THAT I
06:34:13PM WILL FIGHT FOR THAT TO BE THE PRIORITY.
06:34:17PM ESPECIALLY IN WE -- ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE ARE ASKING TO FIND
06:34:22PM THE REVENUE FOR IT.
06:34:24PM AND IT IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE FIRE STATIONS THAT WE NEED.
06:34:27PM I AM WILLING TO COMMIT TO YOU AND CHIEF TRIPP.
06:34:31PM I KNOW YOU HAVE HEARD IT BEFORE, BUT, YOU KNOW --
06:34:37PM >>NICK STOCCO: I WILL STILL BE HERE.
06:34:41PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: EXACTLY.
06:34:42PM YOU GOT TO AT LEAST GIVE THE NEW COUNCILMEMBERS A SHOT.
06:34:46PM AND THAT WILL TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.
06:34:47PM THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK TO THE PODIUM.
06:34:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
06:34:54PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND THEN -- WE HAVE BEEN REQUESTED TO
06:34:56PM TAKE A RECESS HERE.
06:34:57PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
06:34:59PM >>LUIS VIERA: JUST VERY BRIEFLY.
06:35:01PM I WANT TO MAKE SURE -- ANOTHER ISSUE I WANT TO ADD INTO THE
06:35:04PM HISTORY OF THIS.
06:35:05PM IT SAID WE JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT STATION 24 NOT BEING THERE.
06:35:08PM A COUPLE OF THINGS.
06:35:09PM ANOTHER THING.
06:35:10PM NICK, I WANT TO REMIND YOU ALSO STATION -- SORRY, STATION 4
06:35:15PM STATION 25, WHICH THERE WAS ALSO A -- BY UNDER THE
06:35:19PM LEADERSHIP OF -- I GUESS TWO UNION PRESIDENTS BEFORE THIS.
06:35:23PM TO PUT STATION 25, KIND OF GIVE THAT PRIORITY AS WELL.
06:35:26PM GIVEN THE MASSIVE OVERWORKED BURDEN THAT STATION 13 WAS
06:35:33PM GETTING, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF INTERVENING THINGS THAT
06:35:36PM WERE THERE.
06:35:36PM WITH REGARDS TO THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE OF THE
06:35:39PM COMMITMENT OF THAT.
06:35:40PM AGAIN, I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, I THINK WE SHALL ALL COMMITTED
06:35:44PM TO IT.
06:35:44PM I WAS SO COMMITTED TO IT I PROPOSED A SMALL TAX INCREASE FOR
06:35:48PM IT.
06:35:48PM AGAIN, I THINK WE ARE ALL COMMITTED TO THAT THROUGH
06:35:51PM DIFFERENT MEANS.
06:35:52PM WE ARE GOING TO GET THERE.
06:35:53PM I WORKED REALLY HARD FOR A LONG TIME FOR STATION 25.
06:35:57PM AND WE ARE GOING TO GET TO 24.
06:35:59PM EVERY NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.
06:36:02PM TWO THINGS -- TWO LAST THINGS.
06:36:04PM AND WHICH IS, WE HAVE DISCUSSION COMING UP ON BONDING VERY
06:36:07PM SOON BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
06:36:09PM I BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE THINKING THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO
06:36:12PM FUND THE LEVEL OF FIRE STATIONS THAT I WANT IN THIS BUDGET
06:36:15PM BECAUSE OF LACK OF ADDITIONAL REVENUE.
06:36:17PM LOOKING AT THAT OTHER SOURCE, RIGHT.
06:36:19PM THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT.
06:36:20PM LASTLY IN CLOSING, THIS IS WHY -- AND THIS IS PROBABLY THE
06:36:24PM 800th TIME I SAID IT.
06:36:26PM THIS IS WHY WE NEED A PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN.
06:36:29PM WHY?
06:36:30PM BECAUSE WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE
06:36:32PM WE ARE BEING REACTIVE.
06:36:33PM BEING REACTIVE.
06:36:35PM WE CONTINUE TO BE REACTIVE IN THE CITY WHEN IT COMES TO OUR
06:36:38PM PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS BASED ON TRAGEDY.
06:36:40PM IF WE HAVE A PLAN THAT SHOWS OUR DEFICITS ALL AT ONCE, WE
06:36:45PM CAN BE PROACTIVE AND IF THE WHOLE IDEA SO WE ARE NOT INTO
06:36:49PM IT.
06:36:49PM I AM NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE BECAUSE A LONG NIGHT.
06:36:52PM THANK YOU.
06:36:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
06:36:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
06:36:56PM I HAVE BEEN REAL QUIET LISTENING.
06:36:58PM YOU CAN'T SPEND MONEY YOU DON'T HAVE FOR WHATEVER REASON.
06:37:01PM AS I LISTEN AND YOU SEE THE TRIM NOTICE THAT WENT OUT,
06:37:07PM DOESN'T INCLUDE ALL THE FAXES THEY ARE GOING TO PAY.
06:37:09PM STORMWATER TAX COMES IN.
06:37:11PM SECOND ONE SAYS THE STORMWATER.
06:37:13PM THE TRIM NOTICE THAT GOES OUT DOES NOT SAY THAT.
06:37:16PM YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE STORMWATER TAXES ADDED TO IT.
06:37:19PM I AM JUST MAKING A STATEMENT OF WHAT IT IS.
06:37:21PM NOT WHAT I AM FOR OR AGAINST.
06:37:23PM WHEN YOU LOOK -- WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT -- WE HAVE -- WE HAVE
06:37:28PM A PROBLEM.
06:37:28PM IT IS JUST LIKE HAVING A FAMILY.
06:37:30PM JUST LIKE HAVING TWO CHILDREN BORN IN TWO YEARS.
06:37:33PM AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE SIX KIDS AND YOUR SALARY
06:37:39PM HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT SIXTH KID TO FEED.
06:37:42PM BASIC PROBLEM BUT THE SAME THING RUNNING A HOUSE HOLD WHEN
06:37:45PM YOU ARE MARRIED AND HAVE KIDS.
06:37:47PM YOU ARE NOT MARRIED AND HAVE KIDS, YOU HAVE TO SUPPORT THEM.
06:37:50PM ALL THE THINGS THAT GO BY ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH.
06:37:54PM YOU ARE RIGHT, THE FUNDING.
06:37:56PM HOW DO YOU GET MORE MONEY FOR WHAT HAD YOU NEED?
06:38:00PM LET ME GET TO THE CHASE.
06:38:02PM THIS YEAR, THE AD VALOREM TAXATION WENT UP IN VALUE BECAUSE
06:38:08PM OF THE GREAT GROWTH IN THE CITY.
06:38:10PM MORE MONEY COMING IN.
06:38:11PM BUT THAT MONEY DIDN'T MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY.
06:38:14PM BECAUSE YOU HAD EXPENSES.
06:38:18PM MORE EXPENSES TO DO AND A GIVE AND TAKE.
06:38:21PM THIS BUDGET IN 2015, IF I HAD THE TIME TO COMPARE IT WITH
06:38:25PM THIS ONE, AND THE SAME PROBLEM WITH THIS ONE THAT YOU HAD
06:38:28PM WITH THAT ONE.
06:38:29PM MAYBE A DEGREE OR TWO DIFFERENT.
06:38:30PM BUT BASICALLY THE SAME.
06:38:32PM WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS AND HOW YOU FIGURE IT OUT.
06:38:35PM YOU CAN HAVE ALL THE PLANS YOU WANT OF WHAT YOU WANT DONE.
06:38:39PM BUT UNLESS YOU HAVE THE REVENUE COMMITTED TO THAT PLAN, IT
06:38:42PM DOESN'T WORK.
06:38:43PM SO WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING TO COME FROM.
06:38:45PM ONE HOPE AND ONE HOPE ONLY.
06:38:50PM AND IF IT FAILS, WE WILL BE DRIVING -- I WILL BE DRIVING MY
06:38:57PM SAME CAR FOR THE NEXT 200 YEARS AND CALLED CIT EXTENSION.
06:39:02PM WE GAVE IT ALL AWAY.
06:39:06PM THE CITY GETS SOME.
06:39:09PM THE COUNTY GETS MORE.
06:39:11PM THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER.
06:39:13PM NOT BASED ON REVENUE.
06:39:14PM NOT BASED ON POPULATION.
06:39:16PM NOT BASED ON EVERYTHING.
06:39:18PM ALL THINGS HAVE HAPPENED.
06:39:19PM PERFECT STORM YOU WANT TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE HIT US
06:39:24PM FINANCIALLY.
06:39:25PM NOT IN BECAUSE OF A HURRICANE BUT IN THE POCKET.
06:39:28PM FOR ME TO MAKE A COMMITMENT FOR ANY REVENUE FUND COMING IN,
06:39:32PM IT IS A FALSE COMMITMENT.
06:39:33PM I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
06:39:34PM I AM NOT QUESTIONING ANYONE'S ABILITY, I AM SAYING THAT YOU
06:39:38PM JUST HAVE TO UNDERSTAND -- NOT YOU, I HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW
06:39:42PM AM I GOING TO MAKE A COMMITMENT WHEN I SAY SOMETHING KNOWING
06:39:45PM THIS SIDE THAT I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY FOR IT.
06:39:47PM YOU CAN GO OUT AND BUY A NEW CAR TODAY.
06:39:50PM AND IF YOU NOTICE IT, YOU GET FIRE TOMORROW.
06:39:53PM WHAT HAPPENS?
06:39:54PM YOU AIN'T GOING TO HAVE THAT CAR LONG.
06:39:56PM I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU.
06:39:57PM I AM TALKING OF REALITIES OF LIFE.
06:40:00PM AND WE ARE FACED WITH MANY THINGS.
06:40:03PM CERTAINLY INDIVIDUALS THAT NEED HOUSING.
06:40:05PM CERTAINLY THE ONES -- WE NEVER PUT THIS KIND OF MONEY INTO
06:40:08PM HOUSING EVER.
06:40:09PM AND ONE OR TWO YEARS, WE PUT MORE MONEY THAN WE HAVE IN THE
06:40:13PM LAST 20.
06:40:13PM CHECK ME OUT.
06:40:14PM BUT WHAT HAPPENS OF THE PEOPLE THAT GOT THAT HOME THAT ARE
06:40:18PM MAKING THE PAVEMENT.
06:40:19PM THEIR INSURANCE WENT UP.
06:40:21PM TAXES WENT UP.
06:40:23PM NEXT YEAR, IN MY ESTIMATION, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER
06:40:27PM INCREASE OF VALUE OF 10% TO 12%.
06:40:30PM WHY DO I SAY THAT?
06:40:32PM STILL SIX BUILDINGS AND CRANES BUILDING BUILDINGS IN
06:40:37PM DOWNTOWN THAT HAVEN'T BEEN UP.
06:40:38PM THAT IS ONLY NOW.
06:40:39PM WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER SIX.
06:40:42PM AND WHERE DID WE PUT THESE BUILDINGS.
06:40:44PM ANOTHER PROBLEM WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED.
06:40:46PM HOW ARE WE GOING TO FILL THE NEED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN
06:40:50PM THEY DON'T WANT YOU SPILLING.
06:40:53PM HOW ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THE PEOPLE?
06:40:56PM WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO LIVE AT?
06:40:58PM HOW ARE WE GOING TO SUPPLY THEM?
06:41:00PM WITH WHAT?
06:41:01PM WE HAVE TO COME TO A CONSENSUS BEFORE WE MAKE COMMITMENTS
06:41:05PM WHAT WE DO.
06:41:06PM IF NOT, I AM TALKING BS AND NOT TALKING OF BARBRA STREISAND.
06:41:11PM KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
06:41:13PM THE FACTS ARE, I WANT TO HELP.
06:41:15PM EVERYBODY HERE WANTS TO HELP.
06:41:17PM AND WE HAVE BEEN TALKING FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF AND WE
06:41:20PM HAVEN'T SHOWED YOU ONE DOLLAR WE WILL GIVE YOU.
06:41:22PM YOU KNOW WHAT, WE DON'T HAVE IT.
06:41:24PM IT IS THE WAY LIFE IS.
06:41:27PM WE HAVE GROWN SO RAPIDLY AND SO FAST.
06:41:30PM BUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT NEEDED THE STATION NOT THIS YEAR,
06:41:34PM BUT TEN YEARS AGO YOU NEEDED IT.
06:41:36PM YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE PLAN.
06:41:37PM BUT DO WE HAVE THE MONEY?
06:41:39PM THERE IS WHERE IT IS AT.
06:41:40PM YOU HAVE TO SET PRIORITIES ON MONEY.
06:41:42PM YOU CAN'T CONTINUE TO GIVE MONEY AWAY TO THOSE WHO ALREADY
06:41:46PM HAVE IT.
06:41:46PM AND I AIN'T TALKING LITTLE MONEY.
06:41:50PM I AM TALKING BIG MONEY, $200 MILLION, $300 MILLION, $400
06:41:56PM MILLION, THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER.
06:41:58PM CAN'T GET INTO TAMPA.
06:41:59PM YOU CAN'T GET IN THE STADIUM YOURSELF.
06:42:02PM YOU CAN'T AFFORD.
06:42:03PM I AM NOT A GAME PLAYER.
06:42:05PM I TELL IT WHEN I SEE IT.
06:42:07PM I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN.
06:42:08PM NOT A DEMOCRAT.
06:42:10PM I AM RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
06:42:12PM STUCK WITH YOU.
06:42:12PM WHAT DO I DO NOW?
06:42:14PM WHERE DO I GO?
06:42:15PM I AM A REALIST.
06:42:16PM I AM NOT A RIGHT OR LEFT.
06:42:18PM I SEE IT LIKE I SEE IT AND I SAY IT LIKE I THINK IT IS.
06:42:21PM WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
06:42:22PM AND THE PROBLEM IS ALL OF US HERE.
06:42:24PM AND ALL THE EMPLOYEES AND ALL THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF
06:42:27PM TAMPA.
06:42:27PM HOW DO WE SOLVE THAT PROBLEM?
06:42:29PM IS THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
06:42:31PM MUCH BIGGER QUESTION THAN STATIONS.
06:42:35PM YOU NEED THAT.
06:42:35PM DON'T GET ME WRONG.
06:42:36PM BUT YOU HAVE TO COME TO A PLAN.
06:42:39PM HOW DO WE DO IT?
06:42:40PM IF WE KEEP ON AND THE PUBLIC KEEPS ON TAXING, THEY WILL NOT
06:42:45PM PASS THAT CIT.
06:42:47PM ONCE THAT HAPPENS, YOU CAN MOVE OUT, BUT YOU AIN'T GOING TO
06:42:51PM HAVE THE MONEY TO DO ANYTHING NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS.
06:42:53PM THAT IS THE ONLY FUNDING YOU WILL GET.
06:42:55PM YOU, MEANING US.
06:42:56PM NOT YOU, SIR.
06:42:57PM I AM LOOKING AT IT MUCH BROADER FORM.
06:43:00PM WHAT WILL HAPPEN TEN YEARS FROM NOW.
06:43:01PM THAT IS A 30-YEAR COMMITMENT.
06:43:04PM 30-YEAR COMMITMENT.
06:43:06PM IT HAS GOT TO BE TWEAKED AND GOT TO BE FAIR TO THE CITIZENS
06:43:10PM OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
06:43:11PM NOT LIKE BEFORE.
06:43:12PM NOT ALL THE MONEY GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE AND EVERYTHING ELSE
06:43:15PM THAT HAPPENS SOMEWHERE ELSE, WE PAY FOR AND THEY SIT BACK
06:43:19PM AND RELAX.
06:43:20PM SEND ME MORE.
06:43:21PM SEND ME MORE.
06:43:22PM WE CAN'T DO THAT.
06:43:23PM WE DID IT.
06:43:24PM AND NOW RECKONING TIME IS HERE.
06:43:27PM 30 YEARS UP 2027.
06:43:29PM AND WE ARE GOING TO BE -- AND THEY GET WHAT THEY WANT AND WE
06:43:34PM -- THAT IS THE WAY LIFE IS.
06:43:36PM YOU CAN'T GIVE AWAY SOMETHING THAT BELONGS TO US TO SOMEBODY
06:43:39PM ELSE AND SAY, OH, I NEED MONEY NOW.
06:43:41PM OH, YOU GAVE IT AWAY.
06:43:43PM NOT THIS COUNCIL.
06:43:45PM NOT THIS MAYOR.
06:43:47PM >>NICK STOCCO: I WAS 12.
06:43:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU LOOKED LIKE 13.
06:43:55PM FOR ALL OF US, GIVE US THE BREAK, GIVE US THE TIME BACK TO
06:43:59PM UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING.
06:44:00PM GIVE THIS ADMINISTRATION A CHANCE TO REVISE A PLAN, TO COME
06:44:05PM BACK FORWARD BETWEEN NOW AND THE 19th.
06:44:07PM THEY ARE ON BOARD.
06:44:08PM THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS HAPPY.
06:44:10PM WE ARE CERTAINLY ON BOARD TO MAKE SURE THE CITIZENS ARE
06:44:13PM HAPPY.
06:44:13PM IF WE MAKE THE CITIZENS HAPPY, WE MAKE YOU HAPPY.
06:44:17PM BECAUSE WE WANT THEM TO HAVE THE PROTECTION THEY NEED WITH
06:44:21PM FIRE AND POLICE AND THAT'S HOW IT IS.
06:44:22PM NOT ONE CITY THAT DOESN'T WANT GOOD FIRE AND POLICE.
06:44:29PM ANOTHER THING IS, WHY WAS DOWNTOWN DEVELOPED.
06:44:32PM EVERY CITY IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA HAVE 250,000 OR
06:44:36PM MORE THAT DON'T HAVE AS NICE A DOWNTOWN.
06:44:39PM IT IS DYING.
06:44:41PM NOT SURVIVING.
06:44:42PM YOU HAVE TO HAVE CITIZENS.
06:44:43PM YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE AMBIENCE.
06:44:45PM YOU CAN GO OUT 20 YEARS OUT OF THIS BUILDING AND NEVER LOOK
06:44:48PM TO THE RIGHT, NO CAR COMING.
06:44:49PM NO SIDEWALK.
06:44:50PM NOTHING.
06:44:51PM AND YOU MAKE A LEFT AND YOU WENT HOME.
06:44:55PM YOU CAN'T DO IT NOW.
06:44:56PM THANK GOD YOU CAN'T DO IT.
06:44:58PM IF NOT, WE WOULDN'T BE TALKING.
06:45:01PM WE WOULD BE FLAT BROKE.
06:45:03PM YOU HAVE TO GO WITH TIMES AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE CHANGES.
06:45:05PM ANYWAY, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
06:45:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. MIRANDA, IF I HEARD -- I DON'T KNOW IF
06:45:10PM THE IN HUSBAND -- CHARLIE MIRANDA DECLARED HIMSELF IMMORTAL
06:45:14PM TO DIE IN THE VEHICLE FOR THE NEXT 200 YEARS.
06:45:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. CLENDENIN, EVERYTHING I BUY, I USE IT
06:45:22PM AND USE IT AND USE IT.
06:45:24PM AND I DON'T ABUSE IT.
06:45:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT IS THE HEADLINE, CHARLIE MIRANDA
06:45:29PM DECLARES HIMSELF IMMORTAL.
06:45:31PM HE WILL LIVE FOR ANOTHER 200 YEARS.
06:45:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. STOCCO.
06:45:38PM BEFORE WE GO TO RECESS.
06:45:40PM IS MR. ROGERO HERE?
06:45:44PM I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. ROGERO OR CHIEF OF STAFF.
06:45:47PM DO YOU HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR NEW HIRES IN THE CITY OF
06:45:51PM TAMPA IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET?
06:45:52PM THIS IS MEANING POSITIONS THAT ARE NOT FILLED THAT ARE NOT
06:45:55PM POLICE, FIRE, UNION, ATU.
06:45:58PM DO YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF HOW MANY NEW POSITIONS ARE BEING
06:46:00PM PROPOSED IN THIS BUDGET THAT HAVE NOT BEEN FILLED.
06:46:04PM THAT ARE UNFULFILLED?
06:46:07PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I DO NOT HAVE THAT.
06:46:08PM I DON'T KNOW FEBRUARY HR HAS THAT.
06:46:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BECAUSE I BROUGHT UP THE SALARY
06:46:12PM INCREASES AND THAT -- THAT $4 MILLION FIGURE.
06:46:15PM BUT WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR -- BETWEEN NOW AND THE -- ONCE
06:46:20PM WE RETURN AFTER THIS BREAK, TO HAVE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF
06:46:24PM WHAT THOSE UNFILLED, NEW PROPOSED POSITIONS ARE?
06:46:31PM IS IT A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF NEW PEOPLE.
06:46:33PM $10 MILLION WORTH OF NEW EMPLOYEES?
06:46:36PM THAT IS WHAT I AM ASKING.
06:46:37PM >>JOHN BENNETT: JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF FOR CLARITY FY
06:46:43PM 24.
06:46:45PM NOT FY '23.
06:46:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET WE ARE TALKING
06:46:50PM ABOUT NOW.
06:46:51PM >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT INCLUDES THE TWO DISCUSSED
06:46:55PM GRANTS OF FIRE EMPLOYEES.
06:46:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: EXECUTING POLICE, FIRE AND ATU.
06:47:02PM NONBARGAINING.
06:47:04PM I AM TALKING OF GENERAL EMPLOYEES.
06:47:09PM >>JOHN BENNETT: GENERAL EMPLOYEES OF ALL GRADES, NOT PUBLIC
06:47:12PM SAFETY.
06:47:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: EXACTLY.
06:47:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN I MAKE AN AMENDMENT?
06:47:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOT A MOTION.
06:47:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN I ASK THAT TO BE DIVIDED OUT BETWEEN
06:47:22PM ENTERPRISE FUNDS AND NONENTERPRISE FUNDS.
06:47:26PM >>JOHN BENNETT: BOTH NUMBERS?
06:47:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO KNOW WHICH ONE.
06:47:30PM ENTERPRISE --
06:47:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PARKING, WHATEVER.
06:47:34PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
06:47:35PM >>BILL CARLSON: MY EXAMPLE IS THE NEW POSITION, THE ADVISOR
06:47:40PM TO MAYOR ON SPECIAL PROJECTS, DEVELOPMENTS, SOMETHING LIKE
06:47:43PM THAT.
06:47:43PM $165,000.
06:47:45PM SO -- HOW MANY POSITIONS ARE LIKE THAT WHERE WE CAN CUT THE
06:47:49PM FUNDING.
06:47:49PM THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO KNOW.
06:47:52PM BECAUSE WE GOT TO CUT THE FUNDING SOMEWHERE.
06:47:54PM IF FOLKS DON'T WANT TO CUT THE EXISTING JOBS AND RAISES, 12%
06:48:00PM RAISE IS -- IN SOME CASE IS TOO MUCH.
06:48:03PM IF WE ARE TRYING TO HIT THE $45 MILLION, WE ARE GOING TO
06:48:06PM HAVE TO CUT 10,000 AT A TIME.
06:48:08PM HERE IS AT LEAST ONE POSITION, $165,000 THAT WE COULD --
06:48:13PM OTHERS THAT ARE NOT -- THAT WE WON'T AFFECT SOMEBODY'S JOB
06:48:17PM IF WE CUT IT.
06:48:18PM >>JOHN BENNETT: UNDERSTOOD.
06:48:19PM WE LOOKED AT THAT POSITION.
06:48:21PM REPORTED OVER FROM LEGAL WITH THE ACTUAL HOPES THAT IT WAS
06:48:24PM GOING TO SERVE IN THE -- IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT SPACE
06:48:28PM AND A PILOT GOING ON WITH MISS DUNCAN APPROVED IT.
06:48:32PM AND THE MAYOR SAID SHE WAS HAPPY TO ELIMINATE THAT POSITION.
06:48:35PM SHE ALREADY SAID THAT.
06:48:37PM >>BILL CARLSON: PLEASE THANK HER.
06:48:39PM PENSACOLA BENEVOLENT IF I COULD, PUT A PIN ON SOMETHING ON
06:48:42PM PERSONNEL REAL QUICK.
06:48:42PM IN THE NONBARGAINING SPACE, THE 997.
06:48:47PM WE HAVE SALARIES AS LOW AS $38,000 IN THOSE AREAS.
06:48:50PM SO -- IT IS NOT JUST HIGH-END ON THAT.
06:48:53PM I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE -- THERE IS A SPECTRUM IN
06:48:56PM SUPERVISION THAT IS OUTSIDE THE UNION, PROFESSIONAL
06:49:00PM SERVICES, INCLUDING OTHER POSITIONS, AND, OF COURSE,
06:49:04PM MANAGERIAL.
06:49:04PM THERE IS AN OVERLAP THERE.
06:49:06PM BUT WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT AND WE CAN GET THE INFORMATION
06:49:08PM FOR YOU STRATIFIED THAT WAY.
06:49:10PM BUT IT IS NOT.
06:49:11PM THERE IS A CONNECTION TO THOSE.
06:49:13PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION.
06:49:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
06:49:18PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
06:49:19PM THERE WAS A POSITION WE WERE VERY CLOSE TO HIRING SOMEONE
06:49:22PM AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
06:49:23PM I THINK SOMEBODY OUT OF OREGON.
06:49:25PM REMEMBER THAT?
06:49:26PM >>JOHN BENNETT: I AM SORRY -- CLOSE TO HIRING -- WHAT
06:49:29PM CATEGORY?
06:49:29PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I CAN'T REMEMBER.
06:49:31PM SOMEBODY THAT -- SOMEBODY --
06:49:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK: DIRECTOR OF PURCHASING.
06:49:36PM >>JOHN BENNETT: YEAH.
06:49:37PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, I APPRECIATE THAT.
06:49:39PM >>JOHN BENNETT: TALKING OF THE PURCHASING DIRECTOR.
06:49:42PM WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE FINAL TUNE FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL.
06:49:45PM HE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO A SITE VISIT.
06:49:47PM AND HE GOT A LITTLE DISRUPTED IN HIS TRAVEL PLANS.
06:49:51PM AND HE CALLED AND BOWED OUT OF THE OPPORTUNITY.
06:49:53PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: JUST BECAUSE IT IS AVAILABLE THAT
06:49:59PM POSITION IS SHOWING THAT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED.
06:50:00PM WE CAN'T CUT IT BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY NEED THIS POSITION.
06:50:04PM >>JOHN BENNETT: IN FAIRNESS BEFORE YOU AND COUNCILMAN
06:50:07PM CLENDENIN'S ARRIVAL.
06:50:08PM COUNCIL WAS GRACIOUS TO CARRY MR. SPEARMAN OVER BECAUSE OF
06:50:14PM THE SEARCH.
06:50:15PM BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC IT WAS HARD TO RECRUIT AT THAT LEVEL
06:50:18PM WITH THOSE KIND OF CERTIFICATION AND WE ARE CLOSE AGAIN TO
06:50:20PM BRINGING YOU ANOTHER CANDIDATE.
06:50:22PM SO THAT WOULD REPLACE THAT CONTRACT.
06:50:24PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY, THANK YOU.
06:50:26PM I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS SOMETHING WE NEEDED TO
06:50:30PM FILL.
06:50:31PM JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE OPEN POSITIONS DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO
06:50:34PM CUT THEM BECAUSE WE REALLY DO NEED THEM.
06:50:36PM >>JOHN BENNETT: POSITIONS THAT ARE EXTREMELY UNIQUE AND
06:50:39PM DIFFICULT.
06:50:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DURING THE BREAK, CAN I ASK FOR SOME
06:50:43PM INFORMATION?
06:50:43PM MAYBE YOU CAN COORDINATE WITH CHIEF TRIPP OR MAYBE YOU HAVE
06:50:46PM THE NUMBERS ON FIRE STATION RENOVATIONS OR REBUILDS ON 6, 9
06:50:51PM AND 10.
06:50:52PM COME BACK WITH THE NEEDED NUMBERS HAD FOR FISCAL YEAR '24
06:50:55PM WOULD BE TO ADVANCE THOSE PROJECTS.
06:50:57PM AND WHAT YOU WOULD SEE AS -- HOW MANY FISCAL YEARS WE WOULD
06:51:01PM ANTICIPATE HAVING TO FUND TO GET TO COMPLETION OF AT LEAST
06:51:04PM THOSE THREE BUILDINGS AND MORE IF WE ARE ABLE TO FUND THEM.
06:51:07PM BUT IF YOU CAN COME UP WITH A BALLPARK TO KNOW WHAT WE NEED
06:51:11PM TO FENCE TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS.
06:51:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN WE DO THREE FIRE STATIONS IN FY '24
06:51:19PM AND '25.
06:51:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AFTER THE BREAK.
06:51:21PM IF YOU HAVE THAT DATA FOR US WHEN WE COME BACK.
06:51:24PM >>JOHN BENNETT: I UNDERSTAND.
06:51:26PM I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH CHIEF TRIPP OFFLINE EXPECTING
06:51:30PM THIS, AND A GREAT APPROACH.
06:51:32PM ONE OF THE THINGS I HEARD NOT TALKED ABOUT.
06:51:35PM AND I THINK PRESIDENT STOCCO WILL AGREE WITH US AS WELL,
06:51:40PM RENOVATING, REBUILDING, YOU HAVE GOT TO DO SOMETHING WITH
06:51:45PM THE CURRENT CREW.
06:51:46PM I KNOW IT SEEMS OBVIOUS BUT A COST WHETHER A TEMPORARY SITE
06:51:51PM NEARBY BECAUSE DRIVETIME IS PROXIMATE TO THE SPACE STATION
06:51:54PM AND HAVE THE QUARTERS TO GO WITH IT.
06:51:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALL ROLLS UP INTO THE COST.
06:51:58PM YOU DON'T REALIZE THE LOGISTICS.
06:52:01PM LIKE THE SIDEWALKS.
06:52:02PM YOU DON'T REALIZE THE ENGINEERING.
06:52:04PM UTILITY RELOCATION.
06:52:07PM ALL THE THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT.
06:52:09PM >>JOHN BENNETT: WHILE WE HAVE THAT, HAVE THE LOGISTICS
06:52:14PM AROUND THAT OFFSITE FOR HOWEVER LONG.
06:52:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE WILL GO TO BREAK.
06:52:22PM 15-MINUTE BREAK.
06:52:23PM THANK YOU.
06:52:23PM [GAVEL SOUNDING]
07:28:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY
07:28:06PM COUNCIL MEETING BACK TO ORDER, IF WE CAN HAVE ROLL CALL
07:28:08PM PLEASE.
07:28:09PM >>CLERK: CARLSON?
07:28:11PM HURTAK?
07:28:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
07:28:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
07:28:13PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT.
07:28:14PM >>CLERK: VIERA, MIRANDA, AND MANISCALCO.
07:28:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
07:28:20PM >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
07:28:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO START THE
07:28:25PM SECOND ITEM.
07:28:25PM THIS IS WHERE COUNCIL WILL BEGIN DISCUSSING CHANGES TO
07:28:28PM THE FISCAL YEAR 2024 BUDGET AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN
07:28:31PM FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
07:28:34PM WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS MAKE MY COMMENTS AND
07:28:37PM SUGGESTIONS.
07:28:37PM MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE, LISA, IS GOING TO WRITE THEM DOWN
07:28:42PM ON THIS BOARD.
07:28:45PM COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL CONTINUE ON THAT BOARD AND SEE
07:28:49PM WHERE WE COME TO SOMEWHAT OF AN AGREEMENT IN A
07:28:49PM NONOFFICIAL VOTE AND TAKE IT TO THE SECOND BOARD.
07:28:53PM >> MAY I ASK A QUESTION?
07:28:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
07:28:57PM I'M JUST GIVING MY IDEAS.
07:29:00PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: IN DOLLAR FIGURE OR JUST GENERAL
07:29:02PM IDEAS?
07:29:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE -- I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF
07:29:05PM BOTH.
07:29:07PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WANTED TO SEE WHAT THE ROUTINE WAS.
07:29:09PM THANK YOU.
07:29:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO I HAD MENTIONED LOOKING AT OUR
07:29:15PM RESERVES.
07:29:16PM AND I HAD MENTIONED 1% AND WHAT THAT EQUIVALENT WOULD BE
07:29:19PM IF THAT WAS AT $6 MILLION.
07:29:23PM ALL RIGHT.
07:29:27PM >> ARE WE GOING TO VOTE ON IT?
07:29:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'RE GOING TO GIVE OUR IDEAS.
07:29:30PM WE'RE BRAINSTORMING AND THEN WHATEVER WE -- WHATEVER WE
07:29:33PM UNOFFICIALLY AGREE ON, WE CAN MOVE IT TO THE SECOND
07:29:36PM EASEL THERE AND THEN NARROW IT DOWN.
07:29:43PM I'M NOT DONE YET.
07:29:44PM NO, I'M NOT DONE.
07:29:45PM I'M JUST STARTING.
07:29:46PM SO WE MENTIONED THE RESERVES.
07:29:48PM THE SECOND THING IS IN REGARDS TO THE PAY RAISES, AFTER
07:29:55PM THINKING ABOUT IT, IF WE GO TO ZERO, IT GIVES US
07:30:01PM X-AMOUNT OF DOLLARS BUT IF WE REDUCE IT FROM 4.5% TO 3%
07:30:04PM IT FREES UP ALMOST $2 MILLION.
07:30:07PM WE'LL GET AN EXACT DOLLAR AMOUNT THERE.
07:30:09PM WE CAN DISCUSS THAT FURTHER.
07:30:11PM >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN 4.5%?
07:30:16PM >> I'M SORRY.
07:30:16PM AS WE'RE WRITING THEM DOWN, IF NUMBERS ARE MENTIONED IF
07:30:20PM YOU CAN PUT THEM DOWN AS WELL.
07:30:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PAY RAISES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
07:30:24PM NON-UNION.
07:30:24PM THESE ARE NON-UNION.
07:30:26PM >> 1% FOR RESERVES.
07:30:27PM I REMEMBER THAT.
07:30:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU WOULD -- WOULD CLARIFY BUT
07:30:38PM TAKING IT FROM 4.5 TO 3% INSTEAD OF ZERO.
07:30:43PM THAT WOULD FREE UP 1.3 MILLION.
07:30:45PM SO 1% OF THE RESERVES IS ABOUT 6 MILLION.
07:30:48PM THIS REDUCTION FROM 4.5% TO 3% WOULD FREE UP $1.3
07:30:53PM MILLION GIVING US $7.3 MILLION.
07:30:56PM >> DID YOU FOLLOW THAT?
07:30:58PM ON THE TOP LINE, MS. EDWARDS, HE TALKED ABOUT 1%
07:31:03PM BEING -- HOW MUCH DID YOU SAY?
07:31:04PM 1% OF THE RESERVES HE SAID WAS HOW MUCH?
07:31:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST PUT $6 MILLION AND $1.3
07:31:12PM MILLION.
07:31:15PM IT'S JUST -- $6 MILLION AND $1.3 MILLION.
07:31:22PM THAT'S IT.
07:31:22PM IT MAY NOT PASS THE SECOND BOARD.
07:31:24PM WHY IS THIS SO COMPLICATED?
07:31:26PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT A TEACHER AND
07:31:29PM DIDN'T PROVIDE THE INSTRUCTIONS.
07:31:30PM YOU DIDN'T PROVIDE CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS.
07:31:34PM RESPECTFULLY.
07:31:35PM >> POINT OF ORDER.
07:31:37PM >> (INAUDIBLE)
07:31:38PM >> POINT OF ORDER.
07:31:41PM LET'S LET THE CHAIRMAN FINISH.
07:31:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S START AGAIN.
07:31:44PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: POINT OF ORDER.
07:31:45PM I'D LIKE FOR THE CHAIR TO FINISH, BUT I'D LIKE FOR HIM
07:31:47PM TO PROVIDE WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING, HOW IS IT GOING TO
07:31:49PM GET FROM THAT BOARD TO THAT BOARD.
07:31:54PM I KNOW, BUT HE SAID THAT WE'RE GOING TO WRITE THEM DOWN
07:31:57PM THERE AND THEY'LL MAKE IT TO THE SECOND BOARD.
07:31:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
07:32:00PM SO TONIGHT'S ACTIVITY CONSISTS OF TWO BOARDS.
07:32:04PM ON THE FIRST BOARD, I WILL GIVE TWO IDEAS.
07:32:07PM ONE BEING TAKING FROM THE RESERVES AT 1%.
07:32:10PM THE RESERVES IS BASICALLY OUR SAVINGS ACCOUNT.
07:32:14PM 1% WOULD BE THE EQUIVALENT OF $6 MILLION.
07:32:18PM RESERVES EQUALS 1% EQUALS $6 MILLION.
07:32:22PM PLEASE WRITE THE WORD RESERVES.
07:32:29PM RESERVES.
07:32:29PM NOW EQUAL SIGN.
07:32:35PM ONE PERCENT EQUALS $6 MILLION.
07:32:41PM REGARDING PAY RAISES -- YOU CAN PUT PAY RAISES REDUCE
07:32:46PM FROM 4.5% TO 3% EQUALS $1.3 MILLION.
07:33:01PM 4.5% TO 3% EQUALS $1.3 MILLION.
07:33:11PM $1.3 MILLION.
07:33:17PM THAT IS MY CONTRIBUTION -- DO NOT WRITE THIS, WHICH
07:33:21PM WOULD FREE UP $6 -- I'M SORRY, $7.3 MILLION.
07:33:26PM YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT THE TOTAL.
07:33:28PM $7.3 MILLION.
07:33:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THAT?
07:33:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
07:33:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IF 1% OF OUR RESERVES IS $6 MILLION THAT
07:33:37PM MEANS WE HAVE 600 MILLION IN RESERVE?
07:33:42PM I THOUGHT WE HAD -- I THOUGHT WE HAD 150 MILLION IN
07:33:46PM RESERVES.
07:33:47PM SO 1% WOULD BE 1.5 MILLION.
07:33:50PM AM I DOING THE MATH RIGHT?
07:33:52PM I'M JUST CONFUSED ABOUT WHERE 6 MILLION IS COMING FROM.
07:33:56PM >> WE'VE GOT ABOUT I THINK 155 MILLION IN ANTICIPATED
07:34:00PM FUND BALANCE.
07:34:01PM AND -- AND 1% IS ABOUT $6 MILLION.
07:34:08PM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. ROGERO, THAT INCLUDES THE -- IS IT
07:34:10PM 22 MILLION ADDITIONAL YOU WERE GOING TO PUT IN THIS
07:34:14PM YEAR.
07:34:14PM WITHOUT THE INCREASE, HOW MUCH IS IT -- HOW MUCH IS IT
07:34:17PM TODAY?
07:34:17PM WAS IT -- DO I REMEMBER CORRECTLY IT WAS 22 MILLION YOU
07:34:21PM WERE GOING TO PUT IN THIS YEAR.
07:34:22PM SO WHAT IS THE NUMBER RIGHT NOW WITHOUT THE ADDITIONAL
07:34:26PM AMOUNT ADDED?
07:34:28PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I DON'T THINK I UNDERSTAND THE
07:34:30PM QUESTION.
07:34:32PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE FUND BALANCE.
07:34:34PM WE HAVE IN THE BUDGET I THINK -- IF THE NEW TAX WENT
07:34:37PM THROUGH, WE'D ADD -- 22 MILLION OR SOMETHING.
07:34:40PM SO WHAT IS THE FUND BALANCE TODAY?
07:34:42PM LIKE 130 MILLION OR WHAT IS IT
07:34:44PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: DO WE KNOW?
07:34:46PM WE'LL GET THAT TO YOU IN A MINUTE.
07:34:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I STILL CAN'T FIGURE OUT THAT MATH.
07:34:50PM 150 MILLION.
07:34:51PM 1% OF 150 MILLION IS 1.5 MILLION.
07:35:06PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: AND PERHAPS I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THE
07:35:08PM QUESTION.
07:35:12PM >> GOOD EVENING AGAIN.
07:35:14PM MIKE PERRY.
07:35:15PM THE FUND BALANCE PERCENTAGE IS A CALCULATION OF THE
07:35:19PM UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE DIVIDED BY THE TOTAL
07:35:21PM EXPENDITURES OF THE GENERAL FUND AND UTILITY TAX FUNDS.
07:35:26PM SO WHEN MR. MANISCALCO SAID 1%, IT'S NOT 1% OF $150
07:35:32PM MILLION.
07:35:33PM IT'S REDUCING THAT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE FUND BALANCE
07:35:37PM AND THE EXPENDITURES BY -- IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE
07:35:43PM WOULD INCREASE THE EXPENDITURES BY 6 MILLION WHICH WILL
07:35:46PM DRIVE DOWN THE AMOUNT OF FUND BALANCE BY 1%.
07:35:49PM BRING IT FROM THAT 23% DOWN TO 22%.
07:35:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
07:35:54PM CAN YOU E-MAIL ME THAT MATH JUST SO I CAN -- I DON'T
07:35:57PM WANT TO STOP ANYTHING, BUT I JUST --
07:35:59PM >> WILL DO.
07:36:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I APPRECIATE THAT.
07:36:01PM THANK YOU.
07:36:03PM >> I APOLOGIZE FOR MISUNDERSTANDING THE QUESTION.
07:36:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR?
07:36:10PM >> I'M SORRY, BUT I HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION OF
07:36:12PM EVERYTHING.
07:36:13PM THE ADMINISTRATION SAYS -- COUNCIL RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY
07:36:18PM DIDN'T ACCEPT THE 4-3 VOTE.
07:36:21PM IN MY OPINION IT HAS TO GO BACK TO THEM.
07:36:23PM IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THE CUTS, WE SHOULD HAVE DONE THE
07:36:25PM BUDGET THEN.
07:36:27PM BUT WE DON'T DO THAT.
07:36:28PM IT WAS AN ADMINISTRATIVE BUDGET TO US.
07:36:31PM WE REVIEW IT AND APPROVE IT OR DISAPPROVE IT BUT I THINK
07:36:35PM IT'S SILENCE AFTER THAT.
07:36:36PM IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT HAPPENS.
07:36:38PM MY OPINION IS IT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO THE ADMINISTRATION
07:36:41PM TO PRESENT US WITH ANOTHER BUDGET BECAUSE WE REFUSED THE
07:36:45PM BUDGET.
07:36:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FOR EXAMPLE THIS MONEY WHICH IS $7.3
07:36:48PM MILLION, IT'S ALLOWING FOR $7.3 MILLION IN
07:36:53PM FLEXIBILITY.
07:36:53PM WE SAID NO TO THAT BUDGET, BUT MY CONTRIBUTION BECAUSE
07:36:56PM THERE IS SIX OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WILL -- THAT CAN
07:37:00PM ADD TO THIS, IS HERE IS $7.3 MILLION THAT IS NOW
07:37:04PM AVAILABLE THAT WASN'T THERE AS WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW,
07:37:07PM WHERE TO PUT THE MONEY AT.
07:37:09PM >> JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT THE CHARTER PROVIDES.
07:37:11PM IT DOESN'T PROVIDE THAT YOU REJECT THE BUDGET AND THE
07:37:13PM BUDGET COMES BACK TO THE ADMINISTRATION.
07:37:15PM IT PROVIDES THAT THE MAYOR PROPOSES THE BUDGET AND
07:37:19PM COUNCIL CONSIDERS THE BUDGET AND MAKES WHATEVER
07:37:22PM ALTERATIONS IT FEELS ARE NECESSARY TO THE BUDGET.
07:37:23PM SO THIS IS WHAT YOU ALL ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING AT THIS
07:37:26PM POINT IN TIME.
07:37:28PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WELL, I AGREE IN THEORY, BUT IT
07:37:32PM DOESN'T SAY THEN IT'S THE COUNCIL'S BUDGET.
07:37:35PM IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING.
07:37:36PM >> BUT YOU DON'T REJECT THE BUDGET AND THEN HAVE THE
07:37:39PM ADMINISTRATION COME BACK AND PROPOSE ANOTHER ONE.
07:37:40PM THAT'S NOT HOW THIS PROCESS WORKS.
07:37:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I LEARNED SOMETHING TODAY.
07:37:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
07:37:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES.
07:37:48PM SO WHAT I'M SEEING IS WE'RE DEVELOPING A WAY OF CUTS AND
07:37:52PM I THINK THIS IS THE SMART THING TO DO AND AFTER WE
07:37:55PM FINISH THIS EXERCISE, WE CAN START ADDING THINGS BACK
07:37:57PM IN.
07:37:58PM SO WITH THAT IN LIGHT, WE HAD A MILL INCREASE THAT THE
07:38:03PM ADMINISTRATION PREPARED A BUDGET THAT INCLUDED $45
07:38:06PM MILLION IN EXTRA EXPENDITURES.
07:38:09PM I THINK FOR THIS EXERCISE AND I DON'T WANT EVERYBODY TO
07:38:12PM GET ALL EXCITED BECAUSE THINGS WILL GET ADDED BACK IN,
07:38:14PM BUT I THINK FOR THIS EXERCISE, WE NEED TO TAKE THAT 45,
07:38:18PM PUT THAT 45 MILLION ON THIS BOARD AS WELL TO FIGURE OUT
07:38:21PM WHERE WE ARE AS FAR AS COST SAVINGS AND THEN WE CAN GO
07:38:26PM BACK IN, IDENTIFY -- ONCE WE'RE FINISHED WITH ANY COST
07:38:30PM SAVINGS THAT MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN FIND, WE CAN
07:38:32PM GO BACK IN AND ADD THINGS BACK IN BASED ON WHAT WE'VE
07:38:38PM HEARD AND WHAT ALL OUR INDIVIDUAL PRIORITIES ARE.
07:38:40PM SO I'D LIKE TO PUT THE 45 MILLION ON THAT -- OF THE
07:38:44PM INCREASED MILLAGE --
07:38:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST PUT IT AS, YOU KNOW,
07:38:47PM PARENTHESES 45 MILLION.
07:38:50PM THAT WAS WHAT WAS PROPOSED.
07:38:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT WE REJECTED.
07:38:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BECAUSE WE REJECTED THE MILLAGE.
07:38:56PM SO MY GOAL, AND I WILL THEN DEFER TO OTHER COUNCIL
07:39:00PM MEMBERS, IS TO -- HOW DO WE GET TO THE HOUSING NUMBER
07:39:06PM AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY NUMBER.
07:39:09PM AND AS PART OF MY GOAL, WE HAVE DIFFERING OPINIONS, WE
07:39:14PM NOW HAVE $7.3 MILLION AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER
07:39:17PM DECISIONS AND COMMENTS WILL BE MADE THAT WE CAN PUT
07:39:20PM TOWARDS PUBLIC SAFETY, HOUSING, OR WHATEVER ELSE WE
07:39:23PM DECIDE.
07:39:23PM SO I'M JUST -- WE'RE FINDING THE MONEY TO MEET THESE
07:39:27PM GOALS AND OBLIGATIONS.
07:39:29PM >> AND I HAVE A WHOLE LIST OF THINGS TO MAKE SURE WE
07:39:33PM PROTECT IN THE BUDGET.
07:39:34PM SO SAME THING.
07:39:34PM THAT WILL BE OUR NEXT STEP.
07:39:37PM AS FAR AS WHERE WE CAN FIND RIGHT NOW TO GET US TO A
07:39:39PM BASE LEVEL BECAUSE IF WE START TRYING TO REBUILD A
07:39:41PM BUDGET, A $2 BILLION BUDGET THE SEVEN OF US, WE'LL BE
07:39:45PM HERE UNTIL THIS CALENDAR DATE NEXT YEAR.
07:39:48PM SO THIS IS JUST TO GET US TO A BASELINE THAT WE CAN
07:39:51PM STRUCTURE AND BUILD UPON.
07:39:53PM AND I THINK THAT'S -- IT'S A LOGICAL LESS CHALLENGING
07:39:57PM EXERCISE IF WE DO IT THIS WAY.
07:39:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
07:40:01PM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, I'LL START YOU IF YOU WANT TO
07:40:04PM MAKE ANY SUGGESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
07:40:05PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING BECAUSE I
07:40:08PM THINK DIFFERENTLY.
07:40:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOUR MICROPHONE.
07:40:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT ANTI OR PRO ANYTHING BUT THAT
07:40:12PM BUDGET WAS CREATED BY A GROUP.
07:40:14PM I'M SURE IT WASN'T ONE PERSON OR TWO PERSONS.
07:40:18PM THEY GAVE IT TO US.
07:40:19PM THEY KNEW FROM WAY BACK WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.
07:40:23PM THEY KNEW THERE WOULD BE A MINUS BECAUSE THEY CREATED
07:40:26PM THE BUDGET SO THEY KNEW AT THE TIME THEY WERE DOING IT.
07:40:28PM NOW WE GET IT AND CAN'T SEND BACK FOR THEM TO CUT
07:40:31PM BECAUSE THEY KNEW WHAT WAS HAPPENING ALL ALONG.
07:40:34PM NOW I'M THE ONE WHO'S GOT TO MAKE THAT CUT BUT I DIDN'T
07:40:38PM CREATE THE PROBLEM.
07:40:39PM I'M PART OF THE PROBLEM.
07:40:40PM I ADMIT TO THAT.
07:40:41PM BUT I DIDN'T CREATE AS I'M POINTING IT OUT WHAT IT WAS
07:40:44PM AND WHAT THE NUMBERS WERE FROM DAY ONE.
07:40:48PM BUT NOW I'M THE ONE THAT'S GOT TO DO THAT AND THAT'S NOT
07:40:51PM MY STYLE.
07:40:53PM THAT'S ALL.
07:40:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I UNDERSTAND.
07:40:54PM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
07:40:56PM >>LUIS VIERA: YEAH.
07:40:56PM ONE THING, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUGGESTIONS,
07:40:59PM MR. CHAIRMAN.
07:40:59PM I'M SURE IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER THEY'LL SEE LIFE, SO
07:41:02PM THANK YOU FOR THAT.
07:41:03PM ONE THING I'D ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT SO WE'RE LOOKING AT
07:41:06PM PAY RAISES REDUCED FROM 4.5 TO 3% WHICH WOULD SAVE US
07:41:10PM 1.3 MILLION.
07:41:11PM THIS WOULD INCREASE THAT THAT I THINK IF WE TAKE A
07:41:14PM PROGRESSIVE POSITION ON THAT AND I DON'T MEAN
07:41:17PM PROGRESSIVE FROM A POLITICAL PERSPECTIVE, THAT IS THAT
07:41:19PM THE MORE THAT SOMEBODY EARNS, THE LESS OF AN INCOME
07:41:23PM INCREASE, COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT THAT MAYBE TAKING A
07:41:27PM LOOK AT EVEN MORE REDUCED COLA SO LISA AND THANK YOU AS
07:41:33PM ALWAYS FOR YOUR AMAZING WORK.
07:41:34PM YOU CAN PUT ADDITIONALLY REDUCED COLA, C-O-L-A,
07:41:39PM REDUCTION FROM EMPLOYEES EARNING OVER $150,000.
07:41:44PM THAT WILL SAVE US A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
07:41:47PM AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO -- I SWEAR TO THIS, BUT I FOUND
07:41:52PM ABOUT 14, 15 MILLION DOLLARS IN SALARIES UNDER $150,000.
07:41:56PM SO THAT CAN SAVE US SOME ADDITIONAL MONEY BECAUSE EVERY
07:41:59PM SINGLE BIT OBVIOUSLY COUNTS.
07:42:02PM SO JUST SOMETHING I WOULD AMEND TO THAT.
07:42:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: REMEMBER WE'RE GIVING OUR
07:42:05PM SUGGESTIONS.
07:42:06PM ONCE WE GO THROUGH ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE'RE JUST
07:42:08PM GOING TO DO A SHOW OF HANDS OF IF WE GET FOUR VOTES,
07:42:12PM THESE ARE NOT OFFICIAL VOTES, OF WHAT WE WOULD SUPPORT
07:42:14PM AND WE MOVE IT TO THE NEXT SHEET.
07:42:16PM SO IF SOMEBODY SAYS I'M NOT SUPPORTING X, WE RAISE OUR
07:42:19PM HANDS.
07:42:20PM AND THEN DOESN'T ADVANCE TO THE NEXT ROUND BECAUSE WE
07:42:23PM NEED FOUR VOTES TO PASS THIS BUDGET.
07:42:25PM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON?
07:42:27PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
07:42:28PM IN MY OPENING STATEMENT, I SAID IT AT THE VERY BEGINNING
07:42:31PM AND STAND BY IT, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD -- THE TOTAL 45
07:42:34PM MILLION WAS THE MILLAGE THAT WAS VOTED DOWN.
07:42:37PM SO THAT IS 17.8 MILLION IN TRANSPORTATION, 9.5 IN PUBLIC
07:42:41PM SAFETY, 8.6 PARKS AND REC, 9.1 IN HOUSING, TOTALS THE
07:42:45PM $45 MILLION.
07:42:47PM THE MILLAGE WE ASKED FOR THAT WE DIDN'T GET IS WHAT I'M
07:42:50PM SAYING WE SHOULD DO TO REDUCE IT BY $45 MILLION.
07:42:55PM SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU NEED TO WRITE THAT.
07:42:59PM >> IT'S ALREADY THERE.
07:43:00PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHO WROTE IT?
07:43:02PM >> I DID.
07:43:02PM YOU DON'T LISTEN TO ME?
07:43:04PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: IT WASN'T YOUR TURN, SO I DIDN'T KNOW
07:43:06PM LISA WROTE THAT DOWN BECAUSE HE WENT IN ORDER.
07:43:09PM WE'RE FOLLOWING INSTRUCTIONS SO -- HE DIDN'T CALL YOU
07:43:11PM OUT OF ORDER.
07:43:12PM >> MAY I JUST -- MR. CHAIR, MAY I INQUIRE?
07:43:16PM YOU RAISED THE TOTAL AMOUNT.
07:43:17PM IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU DID IS MADE IT MORE SPECIFIC
07:43:20PM WITH REGARD TO THE MINUS WHATEVER IN EACH OF THE
07:43:24PM CATEGORIES.
07:43:25PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THIS IS WHAT THE MAYOR AND STAFF
07:43:27PM PRESENTED.
07:43:27PM THESE ACTUAL FIGURES.
07:43:31PM THAT'S THE TOTAL THAT GETS US TO THE 45 MILLION TONIGHT.
07:43:33PM >> SO THAT AGAIN WOULD BE A PERCENTAGE OF HOW MANY
07:43:37PM MILLIONS FOR EACH CATEGORY WE'LL TAKE IT --
07:43:41PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: 7.8 TRANSPORTATION.
07:43:44PM 9.5 -- 17.8.
07:43:48PM THAT'S WHAT I SAID.
07:43:49PM >> THIS IS A MINUS NUMBER.
07:43:51PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY.
07:43:52PM I WAS SLEEPY I GUESS.
07:43:53PM >> THAT'S A MINUS NUMBER.
07:43:55PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: DID I SAY 17 OR 7, ROBIN?
07:43:58PM 17.8 TRANSPORTATION.
07:44:01PM 9.5 PUBLIC SAFETY.
07:44:04PM 8.6 PARKS AND REC.
07:44:08PM 9.1, SADLY, HOUSING.
07:44:14PM I SAID HOUSING.
07:44:16PM THE MILLAGE.
07:44:17PM WHAT THE MILLAGE ASKED FOR WITH THE INCREASE IN MILLAGE.
07:44:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE IT HERE ON A PIECE OF PAPER
07:44:23PM IF YOU NEED IT.
07:44:25PM 9.5 WAS PUBLIC SAFETY.
07:44:36PM THAT'S GOOD.
07:44:37PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE'RE ONLY DOING ONE RECOMMENDATION?
07:44:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
07:44:40PM WHATEVER YOU WANT.
07:44:41PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I'LL JUST WAIT AND HEAR WHAT EVERYONE
07:44:43PM ELSE HAS TO SAY.
07:44:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
07:44:45PM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN?
07:44:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WAS RECOGNIZED HERE.
07:44:53PM EXACTLY.
07:44:53PM THANK YOU.
07:44:54PM YES.
07:44:55PM A CLARIFICATION FROM OUR LEGAL STAFF, AND AS MUCH AS I
07:44:59PM ACTUALLY APPRECIATE WHAT WAS PRESENTED AS FAR AS
07:45:02PM LIMITING THE BUDGET AND I DON'T NECESSARILY DISAGREE
07:45:05PM WITH IT, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WHETHER IT'S OUR
07:45:08PM AUTHORITY AND WITH CHARTER OF HOW THIS IS ADMINISTRATED.
07:45:11PM WE CAN CUT BUDGETS BUT THE MAYOR HAS TO MAKE A
07:45:17PM DETERMINATION OF HOW WE SPEND THAT MONEY ONCE WE CUT
07:45:20PM THAT BUDGET.
07:45:20PM SO IN -- IS THAT CORRECT?
07:45:27PM SO IF -- IN OTHER WORDS, I THINK ONE OF MY FELLOW
07:45:36PM COUNCILMEN SAID WE SHOULD LIMIT BASED ON PAY SCALE.
07:45:38PM ARE WE ABLE TO DO THAT?
07:45:39PM >> SO, ANDREA ZELMAN, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
07:45:42PM AS YOU KNOW, I PROVIDED A MEMO TO COUNCIL YESTERDAY JUST
07:45:47PM REMINDING YOU WHAT THE CHARTER SAYS ABOUT HIRING, FIRING
07:45:52PM AND COMPENSATION.
07:45:56PM NOT ABOUT THE OTHER BUDGET CATEGORIES.
07:45:59PM AND THAT IS WITHIN THE EXCLUSIVE AUTHORITY OF THE MAYOR
07:46:04PM TO SET THE HIRE -- HIRE, FIRE, AND SET COMPENSATION.
07:46:12PM HOWEVER, AS PART OF THIS EXERCISE, THIS WORKSHOP I
07:46:15PM SHOULD SAY WHEN YOU COME UP WITH PROPOSALS, IT'S
07:46:18PM CERTAINLY WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW TO ASK THE MAYOR TO REDUCE
07:46:22PM CERTAIN SALARIES AND CHIEF BENNETT CAN ADDRESS, YOU
07:46:28PM KNOW, TO WHAT EXTENT SHE IS AMENABLE TO THAT.
07:46:31PM THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING YOU CAN ASK, BUT YOU CAN'T
07:46:34PM LINE ITEM CUT SALARIES, CUT DEPARTMENTS.
07:46:38PM YOU HAVE -- YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE CUTS IN CERTAIN
07:46:43PM BUDGET ITEMS BUT NOT THOSE THAT ARE EXCLUSIVELY WITHIN
07:46:48PM THE MAYOR'S PURVIEW.
07:46:50PM AS IS COMPENSATION.
07:46:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
07:46:52PM THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTOOD IT.
07:46:53PM I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD IT CORRECTLY.
07:46:58PM >> AND I DISAGREE WITH THAT.
07:46:59PM >> IF WE CAN HAVE A CLARIFICATION WITH REGARD
07:47:01PM TO -- ANDREA, IF WE COULD, MS. ZELMAN.
07:47:04PM WITH REGARD TO EVEN SALARIES, CITY COUNCIL DOES HAVE
07:47:08PM PURVIEW OVER THE ALLOCATION OF FUNDS FOR THOSE PURPOSES.
07:47:11PM IS THAT CORRECT?
07:47:13PM >> I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT.
07:47:17PM >> THE BROADER QUESTION.
07:47:20PM I UNDERSTAND THE POSITION THAT YOU'RE TAKING WITH REGARD
07:47:24PM TO SPECIFIC LINE ITEMS DICTATING COST OF LIVING TO
07:47:29PM PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, TO BE -- FOR LACK OF A BETTER
07:47:35PM WORD, FORGIVE ME, TO MICROMANAGE THAT DOWN TO THAT
07:47:39PM LEVEL.
07:47:39PM WITH REGARD TO LET'S SAY A DETERMINATION OF AN
07:47:42PM ALLOCATION OF RESOURCES, AN ALLOCATION OF REVENUE, TO BE
07:47:46PM ABLE TO FIT THE PUBLIC POLICY OF THE CITY WITH REGARD TO
07:47:53PM ALLOCATIONS, CITY COUNCIL DOES HAVE CONTROL OVER
07:47:56PM ALLOCATIONS TO SALARIES.
07:47:59PM LET'S SAY, WITHIN A DEPARTMENT, PERHAPS.
07:48:01PM NOT NECESSARILY LINE ITEMS, WHATEVER AND WE CAN DISCUSS
07:48:05PM THAT IF YOU WANT FURTHER.
07:48:07PM IT ALMOST SOUNDS AS IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT SALARIES AS A
07:48:10PM CATEGORY OF EXPENDITURE IS OFF LIMITS TO CITY COUNCIL IN
07:48:15PM CONSIDERATION OF ITS BUDGET.
07:48:16PM AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WE NEED TO HAVE A
07:48:19PM DISCUSSION BECAUSE I BELIEVE -- I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS
07:48:23PM GOING FURTHER THAN WHAT I BELIEVE IS THE CHARTER SAYS IS
07:48:27PM THE PURVIEW OF THIS LEGISLATIVE BODY.
07:48:30PM >> ANDREA ZELMAN: YEAH.
07:48:33PM AND AS YOU AND I DISCUSSED, I SENT THE MEMORANDUM
07:48:37PM BECAUSE I WAS STARTING TO HEAR MURMURINGS ABOUT THIS
07:48:40PM PROCESS BEING USED TO CHANGE SOME PEOPLE'S SALARIES OR
07:48:44PM REMOVE SOME PEOPLE'S POSITIONS, AND I JUST WANTED
07:48:48PM COUNCIL TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PARAMETERS WERE IN THE
07:48:51PM CHARTER.
07:48:52PM I HAD NO DESIRE AND THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO TONIGHT
07:48:56PM IS GET INTO A CHARTER ARGUMENT.
07:48:59PM AND I -- SO, YOU KNOW, LET ME JUST MAKE THAT CLEAR.
07:49:03PM THAT WAS NOT MY INTENT.
07:49:05PM I WAS NOT ASKED TO SEND THE MEMO TO CREATE ANY KIND OF
07:49:09PM DIVISION.
07:49:09PM I DID IT, AGAIN, BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE
07:49:12PM UNDERSTOOD THAT.
07:49:14PM I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU, LIKE,
07:49:19PM FOR INSTANCE, IN MY OFFICE, WE HAVE PERSONNEL AND WE
07:49:22PM HAVE OPERATING COSTS.
07:49:24PM AND IF YOU WANTED TO CUT THE PERSONNEL, THE PROBLEM THAT
07:49:31PM WE START GETTING INTO IS TRYING TO DO INDIRECTLY WHAT
07:49:36PM YOU CAN'T DO DIRECTLY.
07:49:37PM SO IF YOU START, FOR INSTANCE, CUTTING ALL OUR OPERATING
07:49:41PM COSTS SO WE HAVE NOTHING TO USE TO OPERATE THE OFFICE
07:49:46PM WITHOUT REDUCING SOME OF OUR POSITIONS, THEN IN EFFECT,
07:49:52PM YOU'RE BLEEDING OUR DEPARTMENT DRY FOR, YOU KNOW, WITH
07:49:56PM ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT.
07:49:58PM AND THAT YOU CAN'T DO.
07:50:00PM YOU KNOW, BECAUSE AGAIN, THE MANAGEMENT AND CONTROL OF
07:50:02PM ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AND DIVISIONS OF THE CITY IS WITHIN
07:50:05PM THE MAYOR'S CONTROL.
07:50:06PM HIRING, COMPENSATION, SALARY IS WITHIN THE MAYOR'S
07:50:10PM CONTROL.
07:50:11PM BUT AGAIN, I DON'T -- I WOULD RATHER WE NOT DEBATE THIS.
07:50:15PM I THINK WHAT IS APPROPRIATE IS FOR YOU TO CONTINUE WHAT
07:50:19PM YOU'RE DOING, IDENTIFY THOSE THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO
07:50:23PM MAKE CUTS TO, AND THEN IF IT GETS TO A POINT WHERE WE
07:50:26PM HAVE TO SAY THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN'T TOUCH, LET'S TALK
07:50:29PM ABOUT IT THEN, CAN WE DO THAT.
07:50:35PM >> I THINK IT'S TOO LATE ON THIS BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS
07:50:37PM A QUESTION THAT HAS TO BE ANSWERED, AND IT'S MY
07:50:40PM UNDERSTANDING OF THIS PROCESS AND THE CHARTER, IS LET'S
07:50:44PM SAY WE HAVE A WIDGET DEPARTMENT.
07:50:47PM AND WE HAVE WHATEVER IS HAPPENING IN THAT WIDGET
07:50:50PM DEPARTMENT AND THERE IS X-NUMBER OF DOLLARS AND
07:50:53PM PERSONNEL.
07:50:54PM I DON'T BELIEVE THIS COUNCIL UNDER CHARTER CAN IDENTIFY
07:50:59PM INDIVIDUALS IN THAT DEPARTMENT WHETHER IT'S BASED ON PAY
07:51:01PM SCALE OR WHATEVER QUALITY AND SPECIFICALLY TARGET THOSE
07:51:07PM SALARIES, BUT I DO BELIEVE UNDER CHARTER THIS COUNCIL
07:51:10PM CAN CUT THE PERSONNEL COST HOW WE ALLOCATE BUDGET SO IF
07:51:15PM THE WIDGET DEPARTMENT GETS $10 MILLION, I DO BELIEVE
07:51:19PM THIS COUNCIL CAN BUDGET $8 MILLION AND THEN IT'S UP TO
07:51:22PM THE ADMINISTRATION TO MANAGE TO THAT BUDGET.
07:51:25PM >> ANDREA ZELMAN: BUT THEN AGAIN, YOU'RE DOING
07:51:30PM INDIRECTLY -- YOU MIGHT HAVE 10 EMPLOYEES --
07:51:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I UNDERSTAND BUT I WOULD STILL STICK
07:51:36PM TO MY GUNS AND SAY IT'S WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THIS
07:51:40PM COUNCIL.
07:51:43PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, IF WANT YOU TO KNOW, COUNCIL,
07:51:48PM OF ALL THE THINGS I DO IN THIS JOB, THE CHARTER
07:51:50PM DISCUSSIONS ARE WHAT I DISLIKE THE MOST OR LIKE THE
07:51:54PM LEAST BUT IT'S ALSO THE MOST IMPORTANT DISCUSSIONS.
07:51:58PM IT'S ALSO UNDER THE -- UNDER MY PURVIEW AS THE
07:52:02PM MOST -- ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS WITH REGARD TO
07:52:05PM CITY COUNCIL'S AUTHORITY.
07:52:06PM AND I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THIS.
07:52:09PM WE MAY GET TO THIS POINT BECAUSE THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE
07:52:13PM IS THE BOTTOM LINE IS UNDER THE BUDGET, THE SENTENCE,
07:52:15PM THE FIRST SENTENCE IS VERY CLEAR: NO MONEY MAY BE
07:52:19PM DISPERSED FROM THE CITY TREASURY EXCEPT IN PURSUANT OF
07:52:23PM APPROPRIATIONS MADE BY THE CITY COUNCIL, PERIOD, AND
07:52:27PM THAT'S WHERE I BEGIN, AND THE QUESTION IS WHERE
07:52:30PM EXPRESSLY DOES IT PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING.
07:52:33PM THAT'S A DISCUSSION WE CAN HAVE LATER ON, BUT IF WE CAN
07:52:38PM RECONCILE WITHOUT THAT DISCUSSION, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY
07:52:41PM TO DO THAT.
07:52:41PM >> I CAN TELL YOU, IT'S VERY CLEAR IN SECTION 4.01 OF
07:52:45PM THE CHARTER, IT'S CLEAR IN SECTION 6.06 AND CLEAR IN
07:52:52PM SECTION 7.03 OF THE CHARTER, ALL OF WHICH TALK ABOUT THE
07:52:55PM MAYOR'S CONTROL OVER COMPENSATION.
07:53:03PM VERY CLEAR.
07:53:03PM NO QUESTION.
07:53:04PM SO THERE IS NO REASON TO GO TO WHAT I WOULD ARGUE IS AN
07:53:10PM AMBIGUOUS STATEMENT ABOUT NO APPROPRIATIONS CAN BE MADE
07:53:14PM WHEN YOU HAVE CLEAR LANGUAGE SAYING THE MAYOR
07:53:16PM CONTROLS --
07:53:17PM >> SHE CONTROLS THE MONEY WE GIVE HER.
07:53:19PM SHE CAN'T CONTROL MONEY SHE DOESN'T HAVE.
07:53:23PM I MEAN, THIS IS SUCH A COMMON SENSE THING.
07:53:29PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: IT'S ALSO COMMON SENSE NOT TO TAKE
07:53:31PM FOOD OFF THE TABLE OF WORK HARD FOR US EVERY DAY.
07:53:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK?
07:53:39PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS.
07:53:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
07:53:41PM AND I UNDERSTAND THAT -- THAT THAT IS THE POSITION BUT
07:53:46PM THE UNFORTUNATE REALITY IS THAT I BELIEVE THE INCREASE
07:53:49PM IN SALARIES ALONE THIS YEAR WAS ABOUT 54 MILLION.
07:53:53PM AND IF WE CONTINUE ALONG THIS PATH, WE'RE GOING
07:53:56PM TO -- WE'RE NOT -- WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A GREAT STAFF
07:53:59PM THAT LITERALLY CAN'T DO ANYTHING BECAUSE WE
07:54:03PM AREN'T -- I'M SORRY.
07:54:03PM I'M NOT ARGUING.
07:54:05PM I'M JUST MAKING A STATEMENT.
07:54:06PM SO THIS YEAR MIGHT NOT BE THE YEAR, BUT GOING FORWARD,
07:54:09PM WE'RE SERIOUSLY GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT PERSONNEL AND
07:54:12PM THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE BECAUSE WE ALL -- AT LEAST I
07:54:16PM BELIEVE THAT WE WILL BE ENTERING A RECESSION.
07:54:18PM AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CUT PEOPLE.
07:54:21PM AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO.
07:54:23PM I'M JUST MAKING A STATEMENT.
07:54:24PM THEN I'M MOVING ON TO THE THINGS THAT I WANT --
07:54:27PM >> MAY I ADD ONE MORE THING?
07:54:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
07:54:29PM >> I THINK YOU CAN GO TO THE END OF MY MEMO.
07:54:32PM FORGET THE CHARTER DISCUSSION.
07:54:33PM THERE IS 4,592 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES AS OF YESTERDAY, AND
07:54:38PM HR WANTED ME TO MAKE SURE TO CLARIFY THAT ALL THOSE
07:54:42PM NUMBERS THAT I GAVE YOU AND THEY'RE GIVING YOU ARE A
07:54:46PM MOMENT IN TIME AND THEY FLUCTUATE, BUT AS OF YESTERDAY,
07:54:50PM 4,592 PEOPLE.
07:54:53PM 997 OF WHOM HAVE A SALARY THAT IS NOT CONTAINED WITHIN A
07:54:59PM COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT.
07:55:02PM SO I THINK YOU WOULD AGREE THAT YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT
07:55:06PM GOING TO WANT TO TOUCH THE SALARIES OF THOSE COVERED BY
07:55:10PM A COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT BECAUSE THEN WE GET
07:55:12PM INTO THE ISSUES OF WHETHER WE'RE VIOLATING THE TERMS OF
07:55:15PM THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS.
07:55:17PM SO NOW WE'RE LEFT WITH THE 997.
07:55:20PM IF THE QUESTION IS DO WE OR DON'T WE GIVE THEM A RAISE,
07:55:25PM I BELIEVE THE ADMINISTRATION IS PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT
07:55:28PM OR CHIEF IS PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE MAYOR MAY BE
07:55:33PM COMFORTABLE WITH IF THAT'S THE CUT YOU'RE ASKING FOR.
07:55:37PM BUT IF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS SOMETHING GREATER
07:55:39PM THAN THAT, CUTTING THE OVERALL PERSONNEL BUDGET, THEN
07:55:45PM NUMBER ONE, YOU'RE STARTING TO GET INTO THE AREA OF THE
07:55:49PM CBAs OR YOU'RE BASICALLY TELLING EVERYONE WHO IS
07:55:53PM NON-UNIONIZED, YOUR JOBS ARE ON THE LINE BECAUSE THE
07:55:56PM ONLY WAY THE MAYOR WILL BE ABLE TO KEEP THE CITY GOING
07:55:59PM WOULD BE THEN TO CUT JOBS FROM THE 997 ARE LEFT, AND I
07:56:06PM DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL WANTS TO DO.
07:56:07PM SO I JUST -- MY POINT IS WE CAN AVOID THE CHARTER
07:56:11PM DISCUSSION AND JUST DEAL WITH THE REALITY WE HAVE.
07:56:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
07:56:15PM I APPRECIATE IT.
07:56:16PM WE DO HAVE TO REVISIT IT BECAUSE WE HIRED TOO MANY
07:56:19PM PEOPLE.
07:56:19PM WE HAVE TOO MANY EMPLOYEES.
07:56:21PM AND THIS IS SIMPLY NOT SUSTAINABLE AND IT'S NOT A VALUES
07:56:25PM JUDGMENT.
07:56:25PM IT'S SIMPLY NUMBERS.
07:56:26PM SO THIS YEAR MAY BE THIS YEAR, BUT WE SIMPLY AREN'T
07:56:30PM GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT GOING FORWARD.
07:56:33PM SO I APPRECIATE IT BUT I'M READY FOR MY STUFF.
07:56:36PM SO I'M LOOKING AT THIS DIFFERENTLY, AND THE WAY I'M
07:56:40PM LOOKING AT THIS IS THAT LAST YEAR, WE HAD A CERTAIN
07:56:43PM AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THE GENERAL FUND OR IN -- THE BUDGET.
07:56:48PM THIS YEAR, BECAUSE VALUES DID GO UP, WE HAD ABOUT
07:56:55PM 30-SOME EXTRA MILLION DOLLARS THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN
07:56:57PM THAT 45 MILLION.
07:56:58PM SO NINE MILLION OF THAT GOES TO CRAs, SO THE WAY I SEE
07:57:05PM IT IS WE HAVE $26.2 MILLION TO DO DIFFERENT THINGS WE
07:57:10PM WANT TO DO WITH.
07:57:11PM THE MAYOR SENT HER PRIORITY LIST WHICH TOTALED 32
07:57:14PM MILLION.
07:57:15PM BUT I -- SO I'M LOOKING AT IT DIFFERENTLY.
07:57:19PM I'M LOOKING AT THIS 26.2 MILLION THAT WE CAN USE IN
07:57:21PM DIFFERENT WAYS.
07:57:22PM AND THE FIRST THING I WANT TO DO IS TO TALK ABOUT
07:57:26PM PARKING.
07:57:28PM I HAD A COUPLE OF CITIZENS E-MAIL ME AND RESEARCH
07:57:34PM STATUTES AND FIND OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, PARKING RIGHT NOW
07:57:37PM IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND, AND IT BRINGS IN MONEY, AND I
07:57:42PM DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT AMOUNT WE HAVE IN THERE RIGHT
07:57:44PM NOW.
07:57:45PM BUT BASICALLY WE CAN TAKE -- I'M SORRY.
07:57:51PM WE CAN CUT -- OKAY.
07:57:55PM SORRY.
07:57:55PM READING AND THINKING AT THE SAME TIME.
07:57:57PM WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THAT PARKING MONEY IS THAT INSTEAD
07:58:00PM OF NECESSARILY USING IT JUST FOR PARKING, STATUTES SEEM
07:58:05PM TO SUGGEST THAT WE CAN USE IT FOR BOTH SIDEWALKS AND
07:58:07PM PAVING.
07:58:09PM AND WE JUST SIMPLY HAVEN'T DONE IT.
07:58:11PM SO FOR ME, THAT'S ONE OF THE AREAS I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT.
07:58:16PM IT SIMPLY SAYS -- THIS IS THE FLORIDA STATUTE.
07:58:21PM MUNICIPAL PARKING FACILITY SURCHARGES SECTION 1.66.271
07:58:27PM AUTHORIZED USES FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSES.
07:58:30PM NO LESS THAN 60% AND NO MORE THAN 80% ARE USED TO REDUCE
07:58:34PM THE MUNICIPALITIES AD VALOREM TAX MILLAGE OR TO REDUCE
07:58:40PM OR ELIMINATE NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENTS.
07:58:41PM NO LESS THAN 20% AND NO MORE THAN 40% ARE USED TO
07:58:44PM IMPROVE TRANSPORTATION, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO
07:58:47PM STREET, SIDEWALK, ROADWAY, LANDSCAPE, TRANSIT AND
07:58:50PM STREETSCAPE BEAUTIFICATION IMPROVEMENTS IN DOWNTOWN OR
07:58:53PM URBAN CORE AREAS.
07:58:54PM SO FOR ME, THAT SAYS THAT IT MAY NOT BE A TON OF MONEY
07:58:59PM BUT WILL CERTAINLY FREE UP SOME MONEY TO DO THOSE PAVING
07:59:03PM AND SIDEWALK WE'D LIKE TO DO.
07:59:05PM SO AGAIN, THIS ISN'T REALLY PART OF THE BUDGET BECAUSE
07:59:08PM WE HAVEN'T MENTIONED SIDEWALKS AND PAVING.
07:59:11PM BUT I THINK IT ENABLES US TO USE SOME OF THOSE FUNDS IN
07:59:15PM THE SIDEWALK AND PAVING MANNER WE'D LIKE TO.
07:59:17PM SO THAT -- WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT.
07:59:19PM IT'S NOT EVEN PART OF THAT $26.2 MILLION.
07:59:22PM NEXT, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT 26.2, I HAVE -- I'VE TALKED TO
07:59:29PM DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND I WOULD LIKE TO IN THAT 26.2,
07:59:33PM YOU CAN KIND OF DO AN INSIDE LIKE, INDENT HERE.
07:59:38PM FOR FIRE, I'D LIKE TO ALLOCATE $9 MILLION FOR FIRE
07:59:43PM STATION 24.
07:59:45PM >> I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE I THOUGHT ALL WE WERE TALKING
07:59:48PM ABOUT IS OUR COST SAVINGS.
07:59:50PM WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE ALLOCATIONS.
07:59:51PM THE NEXT PAGE IS --
07:59:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS TO ME, THIS IS THE WAY I DID IT.
07:59:54PM I DIDN'T DO CUTS.
07:59:55PM I DID ALLOCATIONS OF THE MONEY WE HAVE.
08:00:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'M GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT
08:00:02PM THE 26.2.
08:00:03PM IS THAT MONEY ACTUALLY THERE?
08:00:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH.
08:00:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEN WE NEED TO GO BACK AND REVISIT
08:00:08PM EVERYBODY.
08:00:08PM IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THE ADDITIONS NOW.
08:00:11PM I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING INTO THE EXISTING BUDGET AND
08:00:13PM THIS EXERCISE WAS WHERE WE COULD FIND COST SAVINGS AND
08:00:17PM THEN ROUND TWO OF WHAT WE'LL ADD INTO THE BUDGET.
08:00:20PM >> I THINK SHE'S SAYING WE TAKE EXISTING MONEY AND
08:00:22PM ALLOCATE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE ALLOCATED IT TOO.
08:00:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I GOT IT IN THE PARKING.
08:00:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THEN THAT'S FINE.
08:00:29PM I'LL WAIT AND GIVE WHERE I THINK THAT 26.2 CAN BE PUT TO
08:00:33PM BEST USE.
08:00:35PM >> HE ASKED STAFF WHERE THE 26.2 IS.
08:00:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE 26.2 IS THE EXTRA MONEY WE MADE FROM
08:00:40PM THE ADDITIONAL INCREASE.
08:00:42PM >> THEN WE NEED TO GET DENNIS OR --
08:00:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IT'S 25 MILLION.
08:00:49PM >> IF HE CAN, WHILE HE IS COMING UP, I DON'T KNOW THE
08:00:52PM NUMBER IN THE PARKING FUND BUT I WAS TRYING TO MOTION I
08:00:54PM CAN SAVE YOU TIME.
08:00:56PM WE DID RESEARCH AT THE REQUEST OF SOMEONE WHO ASKED US.
08:00:59PM I BELIEVE IT WAS YOU, MS. HURTAK.
08:01:01PM I CAN'T REMEMBER NOW.
08:01:02PM TYPICALLY WITH ENTERPRISE FUNDS WE TELL YOU YOU CAN'T
08:01:05PM TOUCH THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE EITHER CREATED BY STATUTE
08:01:08PM FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE OR WE OBLIGATED THE FUNDS FROM
08:01:13PM THEM TO PAY FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
08:01:17PM PARKING IS THE EXCEPTION.
08:01:18PM WE DID DETERMINE -- THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT DID DETERMINE
08:01:21PM THAT THE SURPLUS IN THE PARKING FUND COULD BE USED FOR
08:01:26PM OTHER PURPOSES.
08:01:27PM BUT I WOULD -- WHAT I'D ASK THAT YOU DO AFTER YOU
08:01:30PM CLARIFY HOW MUCH MONEY THERE ACTUALLY IS, IS THE REASON
08:01:34PM ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS ARE HERE IS THEY'D LIKE TO BE
08:01:39PM ABLE TO TALK ABOUT, FOR INSTANCE, I BELIEVE MR. -- WOULD
08:01:46PM LIKE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT HE WAS PLANNING ON DOING WITH
08:01:48PM THE MONEY.
08:01:48PM AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS, JUST AS CHIEF TRIPP AND
08:01:57PM PRESIDENT NOCCO TALKED ABOUT THE FIRE WANTS AND NEEDS, I
08:01:59PM HOPE YOU'LL GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY IF YOU'RE TALKING
08:02:01PM ABOUT THE BUDGET TO EXPLAIN WHAT THEIR INTENT WAS WITH
08:02:04PM THAT MONEY.
08:02:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH.
08:02:09PM MS. SHARP HAS IT ON THE SCREEN.
08:02:12PM >> MORRIS MASSEY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
08:02:16PM THE STATUE IS A SURCHARGE THAT CERTAIN LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
08:02:20PM DEPENDING ON SIZE ARE ALLOWED TO CHARGE BUT THERE HAS TO
08:02:24PM BE A REFERENDUM OF THE VOTERS BEFORE THE SURCHARGE IS
08:02:26PM MADE AND WE'VE NEVER DONE THAT HERE.
08:02:28PM THAT STATUTE IS NOT APPLICABLE.
08:02:31PM >> CAN WE CLARIFY SINCE WE HAVE THIS UP HERE?
08:02:35PM I DON'T WANT US TO GO DOWN A RABBIT HOLE IF THAT'S GOOD
08:02:38PM FIGURES, THAT'S REALLY GOOD TO KNOW.
08:02:40PM BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE BEFORE WE GO DOWN THIS RABBIT
08:02:43PM HOLE, THIS IS ADDITIONAL TAX REVENUE.
08:02:46PM IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THIS PAYS FOR OUR CONTRACT LABOR
08:02:51PM COST, UNIONS, ALL THOSE INCREASES.
08:02:53PM SO MOST OF THAT IS ALREADY OBLIGATED MONEY.
08:02:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, IT'S NOT.
08:02:57PM THEY HAVE NOT -- THEY HAVE VERY CLEARLY STATED THIS IS
08:03:00PM OUR BUDGET NOW.
08:03:02PM >> BUT WE ALREADY CONTRACTUALLY LIKE THE FIREFIGHTER
08:03:05PM RAISES, POLICE RAISES, ATU.
08:03:07PM SO -- SO OF THAT -- HOW MUCH OF THAT $26.241313 MILLION
08:03:15PM IS HANGING OUT THERE IN NON-OBLIGATED FUNDS,
08:03:19PM CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED FUNDS OR -- OR OTHER?
08:03:22PM AND IT'S NOT -- IT'S NOT IN AN ENTERPRISE FUND.
08:03:25PM >> ALL OF THE 26 -- THE NUMBERS ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT
08:03:29PM IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THEY'RE FROM OUR SLIDE.
08:03:32PM BUT THE $26.2 MILLION HAS BEEN ALLOCATED AS PART OF THE
08:03:35PM PROPOSED BUDGET.
08:03:37PM AND IF I CAN -- IF I CAN EXPLAIN IT THIS WAY.
08:03:42PM IF I CAN HAVE THE ELMO AGAIN.
08:03:46PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
08:03:47PM AGAIN, I INTENDED TO LEVEL SET SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME
08:03:51PM PAGE.
08:03:51PM THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS UNBALANCED.
08:03:54PM WE SAID THAT WHERE IT'S CONFINED TO THE GENERAL FUND,
08:03:57PM EXPENSES ARE NOW GREATER THAN OUR REVENUES.
08:03:59PM THERE IS NO ACTION TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF EXPEND -- OR
08:04:03PM AMOUNT OF EXPENDITURES IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET OF $45
08:04:05PM MILLION OF REVENUE HAS BEEN REDUCED.
08:04:11PM SO YOU SEE THE VARIANCE -- I'M SORRY.
08:04:19PM THANK YOU.
08:04:20PM I APOLOGIZE.
08:04:22PM SO WHAT WE HAVE WITH THE PROPOSED BUDGET GIVEN TO
08:04:25PM COUNCIL, WE HAVE A $45 MILLION DEFICIT.
08:04:27PM THAT PROPOSED BUDGET USED ALL OF THAT $26 MILLION.
08:04:32PM SO ANY DOLLAR TAKEN FROM THE $26 MILLION AT THIS
08:04:35PM JUNCTURE CONTRIBUTES TO THAT DEFICIT.
08:04:40PM >> ADDS TO IT?
08:04:45PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES.
08:04:45PM THE DEFICIT BECOMES GREATER.
08:04:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M SIMPLY GOING TO ADD PERSONNEL.
08:04:49PM THAT'S GOING TO BE OUR BIGGEST COST.
08:04:55PM ONE OF THE AREAS I WANTED TO CONSIDER WAS INCREASING THE
08:04:58PM PENSION YEARS FROM SIX YEARS TO EIGHT YEARS GOING
08:05:01PM FORWARD.
08:05:01PM SO IN ORDER TO VEST, YOU HAVE TO PUT EIGHT YEARS IN
08:05:05PM INSTEAD OF SIX YEARS.
08:05:08PM AGAIN, GOING FORWARD.
08:05:09PM NOT FROM NOW.
08:05:10PM AGAIN, THESE ARE IDEAS.
08:05:12PM I'M SORRY -- THIS IS -- WE CLEARLY ARE JUST PUTTING
08:05:16PM IDEAS DOWN.
08:05:17PM THIS IS NOT DEBATABLE.
08:05:18PM WE'RE NOT DEBATING YET.
08:05:19PM SO INCREASING PENSION FROM SIX YEARS TO EIGHT YEARS.
08:05:22PM POSSIBLY TEN YEARS.
08:05:24PM ANOTHER IDEA WAS TO HAVE PERSONNEL IN THE FUTURE PAY
08:05:30PM INTO PART OF THEIR HEALTHCARE FUNDS AND AGAIN, WE CAN'T
08:05:34PM DO THIS IN THIS CONTRACT.
08:05:36PM BUT GOING FORWARD IT'S SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT.
08:05:41PM SO TO ME, THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS PERSONNEL.
08:05:44PM IT'S THE BIGGEST CHUNK.
08:05:45PM IT'S THE CHUNK THAT KEEPS GROWING AND IF WE DON'T
08:05:48PM CONTROL IT SOON, IT'S GOING TO ABSOLUTELY -- IT'S
08:05:51PM ALREADY SNOWBALLED BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE OVERWHELMED BY
08:05:53PM IT AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING IN FOUR
08:05:57PM OR FIVE YEARS.
08:05:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. MASSEY, AREN'T PENSIONED
08:06:02PM GOVERNED BY STATE LAW?
08:06:04PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: CORRECT.
08:06:04PM ANY CHANGE TO THE PENSION PLANS REQUIRE ACT OF A SPECIAL
08:06:08PM LEGISLATURE.
08:06:08PM YOU DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CHANGE THAT.
08:06:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
08:06:11PM DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUT AN ABILITY TO -- OR A
08:06:17PM REQUIREMENT FOR PEOPLE TO ADD TO THEIR PENSION INSTEAD
08:06:20PM OF JUST BEING THE CITY?
08:06:23PM NO?
08:06:23PM THEN REALLY WE ARE LOOKING AT PERSONNEL.
08:06:26PM I MEAN, THAT'S THE REALITY HERE.
08:06:33PM >> (INAUDIBLE)
08:06:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH.
08:06:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON?
08:06:39PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY WITH THE $45
08:06:44PM MILLION THAT DENNIS JUST SHOWED, THAT 45 MILLION IS NOT
08:06:48PM ATTACHED TO ANYTHING.
08:06:49PM IT IS A 45 MILLION REDUCTION IN A 1.9 BILLION DOLLAR
08:06:56PM BUDGET.
08:06:56PM WE CAN TAKE ANYWHERE FROM THE BUDGET WE CAN LEGALLY TAKE
08:06:59PM FROM.
08:06:59PM IT'S LIKE AS I SAID BEFORE, IF YOU TAKE A BUCKET OF
08:07:02PM WATER AND POUR IT IN THE LAKE AND PULL ANOTHER BUCKET
08:07:04PM OUT, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT CAME FROM -- IT'S THE SAME
08:07:06PM WATER.
08:07:07PM SO THAT UNLESS WE ASSIGN IT, THAT 45 MILLION IS NOT
08:07:14PM CONNECTED TO THE FIVE THINGS THAT THE MAYOR TALKED
08:07:15PM ABOUT.
08:07:16PM THOSE ARE THE THINGS SHE CHOSE TO PROMOTE BUT WE ALL
08:07:21PM SAID THOSE ARE OUR PRIORITIES.
08:07:22PM MOST OF THAT IS THE SAME EXACT BUDGET OR LESS THAN IT
08:07:25PM WAS LAST YEAR ANYWAY.
08:07:26PM SO IT -- WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS LOOK AT THE INCREASE.
08:07:29PM THE BIGGEST INCREASE IS SALARY.
08:07:31PM THE OTHER THING I SAID LAST WEEK IS THIS IS LIKE IF YOU
08:07:35PM HAVE A -- FOR YOUR COMPANY AND THEY SAY I NEED A RAISE
08:07:39PM AND YOU SAY WHY?
08:07:40PM WELL, I MAXED OUT MY CREDIT CARDS AND BOUGHT A HOUSE
08:07:43PM THAT'S TOO EXPENSIVE AND A FANCY CAR.
08:07:45PM WELL, THAT'S NOT MY FAULT.
08:07:47PM I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO RAISE YOUR -- GIVE YOU A RAISE FOR
08:07:49PM THAT.
08:07:49PM AND WE HAVE GIVEN THE ADMINISTRATION A LOT OF LEEWAY.
08:07:53PM WE HAVE NOT HELD THEM AS ACCOUNTABLE AS WE SHOULD HAVE
08:07:56PM AND WE'VE GOT TO DO THAT GOING FORWARD, PARTLY BECAUSE
08:08:01PM WE DIDN'T HAVE THE VOTES.
08:08:02PM THE OTHER THING IS IN TERMS OF THE CHARTER, I AGREE WITH
08:08:05PM MS. ZELMAN -- AND MS. ZELMAN IS GREAT WORKING WITH US
08:08:10PM AND SO IS MORRIS AND OTHER FOLKS.
08:08:12PM IT'S KIND OF A NEW DAY AS WE TALKED THROUGH AND
08:08:15PM DISCUSSED MANY OF THE CHARTER CHALLENGES LIKE WHO HAS
08:08:17PM THE RIGHT TO APPROVE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS AND DO
08:08:20PM NAMING.
08:08:21PM FIRST THERE IS A -- ONE PRESENTATION THAT WE DISCUSSED
08:08:24PM THROUGH IT AND TALK ABOUT IT LEGALLY.
08:08:26PM FINALLY WE COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON IT.
08:08:28PM IN THIS CASE, I WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH MS. ZELMAN LAST
08:08:32PM NIGHT ON THE NARROW AREA OF OUR ABILITY TO CUT THE
08:08:34PM BUDGET.
08:08:37PM I THINK THE CHARTER CLEARLY SAYS WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO
08:08:39PM THAT.
08:08:40PM WE CANNOT GO IN AND SAY WE WANT A SPECIFIC PERSON CUT SO
08:08:44PM IF WE CUT A LINE ITEM, THE MAYOR CAN GIVE THE SAME
08:08:48PM PERSON A DIFFERENT TITLE.
08:08:49PM WE CAN'T GO IN AND FIRE A PERSON.
08:08:51PM BUT IT IS THE WAY WE HOLD THE CITY AND MAYOR
08:08:55PM ACCOUNTABLE.
08:08:56PM IF THERE IS A STAFF PERSON OR MORE DOING UNETHICAL OR
08:08:59PM LEGAL THINGS, OR OVERTLY WORKING AGAINST CITY COUNCIL
08:09:03PM AND THERE IS EVIDENCE OF THAT, THEN THE ONLY RECOURSE WE
08:09:08PM HAVE IS TO CUT THE BUDGET.
08:09:09PM AND I THINK WE 100% HAVE THAT.
08:09:12PM I WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH MARTY AND MS. ZELMAN LAST
08:09:17PM NIGHT.
08:09:17PM WHEN I SAW THAT, I WANTED TO FILE AN INJUNCTION THIS
08:09:21PM MORNING.
08:09:21PM IT'S A SERIOUS THING TO CHALLENGE CITY COUNCIL'S
08:09:24PM AUTHORITY.
08:09:24PM WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY ONCE WE APPROVE THE
08:09:26PM DEPARTMENT HEADS TO FIRE THEM.
08:09:27PM AND THAT'S A BIG ISSUE BECAUSE THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH
08:09:31PM WHATEVER THEY WANT IF THE MAYOR DOESN'T WORK WITH CITY
08:09:33PM COUNCIL.
08:09:33PM THE STAFF THAT WORK UNDER THEM AND WORK FOR THE MAYOR,
08:09:38PM WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO HIRE AND FIRE THEM BUT WE
08:09:40PM HAVE THE RIGHT TO CUT THE BUDGET.
08:09:42PM THIS IS THE ONE TIME A YEAR THAT WE'LL DO THAT AND I
08:09:45PM WON'T GIVE THAT UP AND I HOPE I DON'T HAVE TO SPEND A
08:09:48PM LOT OF LEGAL MONEY TO ARGUE THAT POINT LIKE I'VE HAD TO
08:09:50PM DO ON THE OTHER THINGS.
08:09:52PM WE AGREE WITH THE -- OH, THE OTHER THING.
08:09:56PM IN TERMS OF THE CHARTER, 7.02.
08:10:00PM THE COUNCIL AUTHORIZED TO MAKE SUCH CHANGES IN SAID
08:10:03PM BUDGET AS IT DEEMS NECESSARY FOR THE PROPER AND
08:10:06PM ECONOMICAL OPERATION OF THE MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT.
08:10:09PM WE'RE AUTHORIZED.
08:10:10PM IT DOESN'T SAY WE MUST.
08:10:11PM WE CAN -- AND THE POINT IS WE CAN WORK COLLABORATIVELY
08:10:15PM WITH THE ADMINISTRATION.
08:10:16PM MY REQUEST WHICH COUNCIL SUPPORTED TO ASK THE
08:10:19PM ADMINISTRATION TO GIVE US THE BUDGET WITHOUT IT, FIRST
08:10:20PM OF ALL, I THOUGHT THEY HAD A PLAN B.
08:10:23PM I DIDN'T KNOW THEY DIDN'T.
08:10:24PM SECOND, I WANTED TO GIVE THEM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.
08:10:28PM INSTEAD OF US SITTING UP HERE LINE ITEMING THEIR BUDGET
08:10:32PM I WANTED TO GIVE THEM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT TO
08:10:35PM PROPOSE A CHANGE.
08:10:36PM NOW THE BURDEN IS ON US AND WE HAVE TO DECIDE NONE OF US
08:10:39PM WANTS TO GO THROUGH THIS BUT WE CAN.
08:10:42PM WE ALREADY HAVE AGREED WITH THE ADMINISTRATION THAT THE
08:10:45PM MAYOR IS GOING TO CUT THAT $165,000 POSITION.
08:10:49PM SO WE HAVE ONE SUCCESS FOR THE NIGHT.
08:10:52PM WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO VOTE BECAUSE THE ADMINISTRATION
08:10:55PM AGREED.
08:10:56PM AFTER THREE OR FOUR HOURS WE'RE AT 45 MILLION MINUS
08:11:00PM 165,000.
08:11:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT ABOUT MY STAFF?
08:11:02PM THAT'S 7.3 MILLION.
08:11:05PM >>BILL CARLSON: I'M TALKING -- WE DON'T -- WE DON'T HAVE
08:11:08PM TO VOTE ON IT BECAUSE WITHOUT OUR AGREEMENT THE
08:11:10PM ADMINISTRATION HAS AGREED TO IT SO WE'RE AHEAD.
08:11:13PM I WANT TO ASK -- THERE IS ANOTHER POSITION.
08:11:16PM CAD COMS COORDINATOR.
08:11:18PM AND IT'S LIKE, 110,000 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
08:11:22PM CAN YOU PUT THAT DOWN THERE?
08:11:23PM CAD COM COORDINATOR.
08:11:26PM THAT'S ANOTHER UNFILLED, NEW POSITION.
08:11:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, NOT TO
08:11:33PM INTERRUPT YOU, BUT I ASKED THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND
08:11:38PM MR. ROGERO IF THEY'D BE ABLE TO PROVIDE US AND IT WON'T
08:11:41PM BE TONIGHT.
08:11:42PM THEY NEED TIME TO GET THE INFORMATION.
08:11:43PM BUT PERHAPS BY FRIDAY, ANY PROPOSED NEW POSITIONS THAT
08:11:49PM ARE BEING PROPOSED IN THE '24 BUDGET MEANING THEY HAVE
08:11:52PM NOT BEEN FULFILLED THAT WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT THE TOTAL
08:11:54PM DOLLAR AMOUNT IS SO WE CAN SAY, WE DO A HIRING FREEZE
08:11:57PM THIS YEAR FOR --
08:12:02PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE POINT IS THAT, THAT'S LIKE 120 OR
08:12:05PM $110,000.
08:12:08PM MY ADMINISTRATION IS COMMUNICATION.
08:12:09PM CAD DOESN'T NEED COMMUNICATION.
08:12:11PM WHAT THEY NEED IS NEW ETHICAL GUIDELINES AND WE'VE GOT A
08:12:15PM GREAT NEW ADMINISTRATOR BUT WE NEED ETHICAL GUIDELINES
08:12:17PM AND WE NEED TO HAVE TRANSPARENCY TO CITY COUNCIL AND
08:12:21PM THEN ULTIMATELY THE PUBLIC.
08:12:23PM THAT'S NOT ABOUT COMMUNICATION.
08:12:24PM YOU DON'T HIRE COMMUNICATION PERSON TO DO THAT.
08:12:27PM YOU PRESENT INFORMATION IN AN EFFECTIVE WAY.
08:12:33PM I'D RATHER LEAVE THAT AS A PLACEHOLDER.
08:12:35PM MAYBE THEY CAN RESPOND AT THE END OF MY --
08:12:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 110.
08:12:42PM >>BILL CARLSON: 110 LET'S SAY.
08:12:45PM VIK, SOMEBODY PROPOSED, THERE IS A $7 MILLION PARKING
08:12:48PM APP.
08:12:50PM CAN WE DELAY THAT BY A YEAR?
08:12:54PM >> GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND COUNCIL.
08:12:56PM VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
08:12:58PM THE $7 MILLION IS NOT FOR A PARKING APP.
08:13:02PM IT IS FOR A PARKING GUIDANCE SYSTEM.
08:13:05PM THIS WAS FIRST RECOMMENDED BY THE -- PARTNERSHIPS
08:13:13PM PARKING STUDY AND WE DEVELOPED IT SINCE.
08:13:15PM SO TO ANSWER THE QUESTION SIMPLY CAN WE DELAY IT BY A
08:13:18PM YEAR, YES.
08:13:20PM LAST YEAR DID WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT MONEY.
08:13:22PM BUT I DO WANT TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT.
08:13:24PM >>BILL CARLSON: I LOVE THOSE SYSTEMS.
08:13:25PM AND I REALLY WANT IT AND I'M ALL FOR NEW TECHNOLOGY.
08:13:28PM I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT.
08:13:29PM BUT IF WE'RE AT THE POINT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CUT
08:13:32PM PEOPLE, I'D RATHER DELAY THAT BY A YEAR.
08:13:34PM >>VIK BHIDE: I UNDERSTAND.
08:13:35PM IF I CAN GET 60 SECONDS JUST TO SHARE A BACKGROUND ON
08:13:41PM THE SYSTEM.
08:13:44PM THE SYSTEM IS A BUNCH OF SIGNS THAT TELLS TRAVELERS TO
08:13:48PM THE URBAN CORE WHERE PARKING SPACES ARE.
08:13:51PM WHAT IT IS DEMONSTRATED TO DO IS INCREASE PARKING
08:13:55PM EFFICIENCY WHICH LOOKING LONG-TERM ALLOWS US TO DO
08:14:00PM BETTER PARKING POLICY AND PARKING STRATEGIES.
08:14:03PM TO FOSTER URBANISM AND DENSITY AND CREATE MORE SPACE TO
08:14:06PM BUILD MORE HOUSING.
08:14:10PM THAT'S THE FIRST THING.
08:14:11PM THE OTHER IS IT DRIVES REVENUES, WHICH YES, CAN BE
08:14:15PM REINVESTED INTO MOBILITY PRIORITIES.
08:14:18PM AS WE MENTIONED AT THE LAST WORKSHOP, WE ARE INVESTING
08:14:22PM IN SIDEWALKS WITH THE PARKING FUND.
08:14:24PM WE'RE INVESTING $700,000 A YEAR FOR A FOUR-YEAR PROGRAM
08:14:27PM TO MITIGATE 90% OF TRIPS AND FALLS ON EXISTING SIDEWALK.
08:14:31PM WE'RE INVESTING IN TRANSIT WITH THE STREETCAR, THE
08:14:35PM RUBBER TIRE EXTENSION FROM THE STATION 11 UP TO THE
08:14:40PM HEIGHTS.
08:14:40PM WE'RE INVESTING -- ARE PLANNING TO INVEST IN OTHER QUICK
08:14:45PM BUILD OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL.
08:14:46PM BUT PARKING HAS BECAUSE OF DECADES OF LACK OF INVESTMENT
08:14:53PM ACCRUED ITS OWN DEFERRED MAINTENANCE.
08:14:55PM AND SOME OF IT ARE CRITICAL DEFERRED MAINTENANCE TO THE
08:14:58PM STRUCTURES OF OUR GARAGES, AND OUR LOTS AND ALL OF THAT.
08:15:02PM AND HOW DO WE KNOW THAT?
08:15:03PM BECAUSE IN 2017, WE DID AN ENGINEERING REPORT THAT
08:15:06PM CATEGORIZED THESE.
08:15:09PM >>BILL CARLSON: VIK, IF I COULD SO WE CAN GO ON, YOU
08:15:12PM HAVE SHOWN GREAT LEADERSHIP IN PROPOSING RATE INCREASES
08:15:14PM AND NEW TECHNOLOGIES AND EVERYTHING AND I APPRECIATE ALL
08:15:18PM THE WORK YOU DO.
08:15:19PM JUST IF WE HAVE A CHOICE OF PEOPLE OR OTHER -- I'D
08:15:23PM RATHER DO THAT.
08:15:24PM >> COUNCILMEN, I APOLOGIZE.
08:15:27PM IF I CAN SAY ONE QUICK THING ABOUT THE PARKING
08:15:29PM ENTERPRISE FUND.
08:15:31PM GENE DUNCAN, THANK YOU FOR THE MOMENT HERE.
08:15:35PM THE RATES FOR THAT PARKING DIVISION ARE -- WERE APPROVED
08:15:41PM BY THIS COUNCIL BASED ON A STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WAS
08:15:45PM DEVELOPED FOR HOW THOSE FUNDS WILL BE SPENT.
08:15:48PM SO DESPITE THE LAW THAT OUR LEGAL TEAM REFERENCED ABOUT
08:15:51PM THE FLEXIBILITY, WE WANT TO STAY TRUE TO THE REASON WHY
08:15:55PM THOSE RATES ARE INCREASING AND HOW MUCH THEY'LL
08:15:58PM INCREASE.
08:15:58PM IF WE START TAKING THOSE FUNDS AND APPLYING THEM TO
08:16:01PM OTHER NEEDS ACROSS THE BOARD THAT WE HAVE, OUR BUSINESS
08:16:05PM CASE FOR WHY THEY HAD TO BE INCREASED A CERTAIN AMOUNT
08:16:08PM GOES AWAY.
08:16:09PM AND WE COME BACK IN THE FUTURE TO MAKE A CASE TO
08:16:11PM INCREASE THEM, WE LOST CREDIBILITY.
08:16:13PM WELL, THIS IS GOING TO BECOME A SLASH FUND, QUOTE
08:16:19PM UNQUOTE, WHICH WE DON'T DO SLUSH FUNDS.
08:16:22PM WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE FUNDS AND TAKE THEM OUTSIDE
08:16:24PM THE MOBILITY SPACE FOR THAT REASON.
08:16:26PM SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.
08:16:27PM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH.
08:16:27PM WE CAN USE IT ON WHATEVER WE CAN LEGALLY USE IT FOR TO
08:16:31PM OFFSET BECAUSE TRANSPORTATION IS ONE OF THE FIVE
08:16:34PM BUCKETS.
08:16:35PM NOT REALLY TRANSPORTATION BUT ROADS AND SIDEWALKS.
08:16:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COULD YOU PUT THE APP, LISA?
08:16:42PM THE NAME OF THE APP?
08:16:44PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST CALL IT PARKING APP.
08:16:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: $7 MILLION.
08:16:48PM >>BILL CARLSON: IS SOMEBODY HERE FROM PARKS?
08:16:52PM I DIDN'T SEE YOU BACK THERE.
08:16:53PM MY APOLOGIES.
08:16:54PM I DIDN'T GET TO ASK YOU THIS IN ADVANCE.
08:16:56PM WE TALKED -- WHEN WE -- WE WERE TALKING ABOUT VILA
08:17:01PM BROTHERS BEFORE THE REST OF THE PARK GOT DONE I THINK
08:17:04PM THERE WAS A PICKLEBALL COURT AND PICKLEBALL IS THE THING
08:17:07PM THAT EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT.
08:17:08PM BUT ARE THERE -- IS THERE -- I COULDN'T FIND IN THE
08:17:10PM BUDGET, IS THERE BURIED IN THE BUDGET PICKLEBALL COURTS
08:17:14PM THAT WE CAN DELAY?
08:17:15PM I KNOW PEOPLE -- SOME PEOPLE LOVE IT.
08:17:17PM PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THE SOUND OF IT.
08:17:19PM BUT IF I HAVE A CHOICE BETWEEN PICKLEBALL COURTS OR
08:17:22PM LOSING STAFF, I'D RATHER CUT THE PICKLEBALL COURTS.
08:17:25PM IS THERE ANY PICKLEBALL COURTS WE CAN DELAY?
08:17:30PM >> OCEA WYNN, ADMINISTRATIVE AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS.
08:17:35PM IF WE HAVE THE PICKLEBALL COURTS, COUNCIL MEMBER
08:17:39PM CARLSON, THEY'RE ASSOCIATED WITH A PROJECT.
08:17:42PM WE DON'T HAVE A LINE ITEM FOR PICKLEBALL COURTS.
08:17:44PM WE CAN GO THROUGH TO SEE WHICH PROJECTS WE HAVE THAT ARE
08:17:47PM ASSOCIATED THAT AS WE'RE BUILDING OUT THE PROJECT THAT
08:17:50PM WE HAVE A PICKLEBALL COURT.
08:17:53PM WE DON'T HAVE JUST A WHOLE LINE ITEM FOR PICKLEBALL
08:17:57PM COURTS THROUGHOUT.
08:17:58PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
08:17:59PM SO I'D JUST PUT THAT DOWN AND WE DON'T KNOW THE DOLLAR
08:18:02PM AMOUNT, BUT IF WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK.
08:18:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'D TREAD CAREFULLY WITH PICKLEBALL.
08:18:09PM >> MAN, YOU JUST OFFERED --
08:18:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL I HEAR IS PICKLEBALL.
08:18:13PM >> TWO-TERM BILL.
08:18:16PM >>BILL CARLSON: NOBODY IS GOING TO USE THEM ANYWAY.
08:18:18PM THIS IS A FAD.
08:18:19PM AND IN TEN YEARS YOU CAN RECORD THIS AND TELL ME I WAS
08:18:24PM WRONG.
08:18:24PM THAT'S FINE.
08:18:25PM CAN YOU PUT DOWN THE LOBBYISTS TOO?
08:18:27PM WE CAN DEBATE IT MORE LATER.
08:18:28PM IF YOU WANT TO CUT HALF WE CAN.
08:18:30PM LOBBYISTS.
08:18:31PM IT'S A MILLION DOLLARS.
08:18:32PM IF THE LOBBYISTS DON'T LISTEN TO US AND IF THE STAFF
08:18:34PM DON'T LISTEN IN RELATION TO LOBBYISTS WE NEED TO TEACH
08:18:38PM THEM A LESSON AND CUT HALF THEIR BUDGET AT LEAST.
08:18:40PM I DIDN'T ASK FOR ANY STAFF REPORT ON IT BY THE WAY.
08:18:43PM >> CHAIR, MAY I?
08:18:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
08:18:45PM GO AHEAD.
08:18:46PM >> WE -- I WANTED TO RESPOND TO THE SUGGESTION OF THE
08:18:51PM CUT.
08:18:52PM IF I CAN THROW THIS ON THE ELMO.
08:18:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
08:18:55PM WE CAN SEE IT.
08:18:56PM PLEASE PUT IT --
08:18:57PM >>BILL CARLSON: IT'S INTERESTING YOU HAVE NEVER SHOWN
08:18:59PM THIS TO US BEFORE, AND YOU SEEM NOT TO WANT TO PRESENT
08:19:02PM ANYTHING TO CITY COUNCIL, BUT NOW YOU COME TO TRY TO
08:19:04PM JUSTIFY THIS CUT AFTER THE LOBBYIST --
08:19:07PM >> POINT OF ORDER.
08:19:08PM WE READ THE RULES.
08:19:09PM POINT OF ORDER.
08:19:10PM POINT OF ORDER.
08:19:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S NOT DO PERSONAL ATTACKS.
08:19:15PM >>BILL CARLSON: I'D RATHER I GO ALONG WITH MY LIST
08:19:18PM INSTEAD OF THIS PROPAGANDA.
08:19:19PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE IS GOING TO
08:19:21PM HEAR, CHAIRMAN.
08:19:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE LET HER SPEAK.
08:19:24PM THANK YOU.
08:19:25PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE.
08:19:27PM >> THIS IS THE SLIDE -- IF WE CAN GET THE ELMO -- FROM
08:19:30PM THE BUDGET PRESENTATION FROM DENNIS.
08:19:33PM SO WE DO -- WE CONTRACT LOBBYISTS AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL
08:19:38PM AND STATE LEVEL.
08:19:40PM AND SINCE 2019, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO INCREASE OUR
08:19:45PM CAPACITY AT THAT LEVEL.
08:19:47PM AND I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH A FEW OTHER SLIDES AS WELL,
08:19:51PM BUT I JUST --
08:19:52PM >>BILL CARLSON: POINT OF ORDER, MR. CHAIR.
08:19:54PM I'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH MY LIST PLEASE.
08:19:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET HER FINISH.
08:19:58PM I'D LIKE TO HEAR THIS.
08:19:59PM >> THIS IS QUICKLY THE BREAKDOWN OF THOSE GRANTS.
08:20:03PM AND ACTUALLY THE TOTAL IS 226.
08:20:06PM WE JUST RECEIVED ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS IN THE LAST
08:20:08PM HOUR.
08:20:10PM >> WE CAN EQUALLY PAY A LOBBYIST FIRM THAT LISTENS TO
08:20:14PM US.
08:20:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
08:20:16PM >> I'M HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE ELSE.
08:20:18PM >>BILL CARLSON: I'D RATHER GO THROUGH MY LIST.
08:20:21PM THANK YOU.
08:20:21PM I KNOW YOU THINK IT'S FUNNY TO FIGHT AGAINST CITY
08:20:23PM COUNCIL, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU'RE HIRED TO DO.
08:20:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: (SOUNDING GAVEL)
08:20:28PM ENOUGH.
08:20:29PM ENOUGH.
08:20:30PM ENOUGH.
08:20:30PM >> I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANYTHING, BUT WE SHOULD STICK TO
08:20:30PM THE BUDGET TONIGHT.
08:20:32PM MAYBE WE CAN TALK OFFLINE.
08:20:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT IS NEXT ON YOUR LIST, SIR?
08:20:37PM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU THINK IT'S FUNNY.
08:20:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ENOUGH.
08:20:41PM WE HAVE TO GET THIS BUDGET DONE.
08:20:43PM LET'S GO.
08:20:47PM >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE -- MISTER -- CHIEF OF STAFF.
08:20:56PM THIS IS ANOTHER ONE I COULDN'T FIND IN THE BUDGET.
08:20:59PM COULD YOU TELL ME THE STATUS?
08:21:00PM THERE WAS -- THIS IS THE LAST ONE, AND WE CAN COME BACK
08:21:03PM LATER.
08:21:03PM THERE WAS A CONSULTING FIRM THAT WAS SPLIT BETWEEN THE
08:21:07PM CITY AND COUNTY PAYING FOR ADVICE ON BASEBALL.
08:21:12PM CITY AND COUNTY PAYING THEM $250,000 A YEAR.
08:21:15PM IS THAT CONTRACT STILL ACTIVE, AND IF WE CANCEL IT, CAN
08:21:18PM WE SAVE $125,000 A YEAR?
08:21:21PM >> JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
08:21:23PM I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT YOU'RE --
08:21:27PM >>BILL CARLSON: THERE WAS A CONSULTANT ADVISING CITY AND
08:21:31PM COUNTY -- YOU AND BONNIE WISE -- ON POSSIBLE FUNDING
08:21:35PM MECHANISMS BASEBALL.
08:21:35PM >>JOHN BENNETT: MAYBE I'M WRONG.
08:21:37PM I THOUGHT TSA PAYS FOR THAT.
08:21:39PM TAMPA SPORTS AUTHORITY.
08:21:41PM >>BILL CARLSON: I COULDN'T FIND IT IN THE BUDGET.
08:21:43PM >>JOHN BENNETT: I THINK IT'S TAMPA SPORTS AUTHORITY,
08:21:45PM COUNCILMAN.
08:21:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
08:21:49PM YES, MA'AM?
08:21:50PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: CAN WE START BACK THIS WAY?
08:21:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT IT'S VERY
08:21:59PM INTERESTING THAT WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN THIS BUDGET TO DO
08:22:04PM AND NONE OF US UP HERE ARE BUDGET EXPERTS.
08:22:07PM SO THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS WAS FOR US TO BRAINSTORM
08:22:12PM IDEAS BUT EVERY TIME WE BRAINSTORM AN IDEA, WE HAVE
08:22:15PM SOMEONE FROM THE DEPARTMENT COME UP TO ARGUE FOR IT, AND
08:22:19PM WHILE I RESPECT THAT, AND I RESPECT PEOPLE'S DESIRE TO
08:22:23PM KEEP THEIR DEPARTMENT GOING IN THE DIRECTION THEY WANT
08:22:26PM IT TO, THAT'S JUST SIMPLY NOT THE REALITY OF THIS YEAR.
08:22:31PM THE REALITY OF THIS YEAR IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE
08:22:34PM CUTS.
08:22:37PM AND IF YOU WANT TO START ARGUING WITH US ABOUT IT,
08:22:40PM THAT'S FINE.
08:22:40PM YOU CAN GET YOUR SOUND BYTE.
08:22:43PM BUT HERE'S THE THING.
08:22:44PM WE'RE GOING TO MAKE CUTS.
08:22:45PM AT SOME POINT, CUTS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE MADE.
08:22:48PM AND I MEAN, EVERYTHING IS VALUED.
08:22:55PM EVERYTHING HAS WORTH, BUT THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE.
08:22:59PM IT WOULD HAVE WORTH IF I HAD A POOL IN MY BACKYARD BUT I
08:23:02PM CAN'T AFFORD THAT.
08:23:08PM SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CUT.
08:23:10PM IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE CAN JUST HAVE A CONVERSATION
08:23:12PM WITHOUT STAFF UNLESS WE ASK.
08:23:17PM AND DEBATE THIS BECAUSE THE ADMINISTRATION HAS CLEARLY
08:23:21PM PUT IT IN OUR HANDS.
08:23:23PM AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THIS IS KIND OF -- GOTTEN OUT OF
08:23:27PM CONTROL WITH WHAT WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR.
08:23:32PM I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO ASK PEOPLE TO LEAVE BECAUSE I
08:23:34PM DON'T JUST THAT'S APPROPRIATE OR NECESSARY, BUT I THINK
08:23:37PM THIS IS THE TIME THAT WE'RE TALKING, THAT WE'RE
08:23:41PM DEBATING, WE'RE THROWING IDEAS OUT.
08:23:42PM AND BEFORE WE ADD IT TO THAT SECOND SHEET, YES, THEN
08:23:46PM THAT IS THE TIME TO ASK.
08:23:48PM THAT'S THE TIME TO PULL DEPARTMENT HEADS UP.
08:23:53PM YEAH.
08:23:53PM SO THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY.
08:23:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
08:23:58PM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, MIRANDA, HENDERSON.
08:24:01PM >>LUIS VIERA: MINE IS VERY BRIEF.
08:24:02PM WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF IDEAS UP HERE AND THAT'S GREAT
08:24:05PM AND I THINK ALL TO VARYING DEGREES HAVE WORTH FROM
08:24:10PM DEBATING AND MAYBE TABLING FOR ANOTHER TIME TO
08:24:13PM SUPPORTING THAT, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
08:24:14PM BUT WHETHER THE ADMINISTRATION TAKES IT AS THE TEN
08:24:18PM COMMANDMENTS OR TEN SUGGESTIONS, THERE ARE THINGS COMING
08:24:20PM FROM TAMPA CITY COUNCIL AND THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING
08:24:23PM TO LOOK AT.
08:24:24PM MY ONLY CHALLENGE IS IF WE DEBATE EVERY ONE OF THESE,
08:24:28PM RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO BE HERE UNTIL PROBABLY 10:00 A.M.
08:24:31PM TOMORROW MORNING.
08:24:33PM VERY, VERY LIKELY, I'M THINKING.
08:24:35PM AND WE HAVE TO USE OUR TIME EFFECTIVELY AND WISELY
08:24:40PM BECAUSE FOR EXAMPLE, SOME OF THESE -- I NEED MORE TIME
08:24:43PM ON.
08:24:44PM I'M NOT PREPARED TO VOTE ON SOME OF THESE PICKLEBALL
08:24:47PM COURTS, FOR EXAMPLE.
08:24:49PM A WORTHY SUGGESTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON POTENTIALLY
08:24:54PM WHAT ARE THE PICKLEBALL COURTS, HOW MUCH ARE THEY,
08:24:56PM WHAT'S PROMISED TO THE COMMUNITY, THIS AND THAT.
08:24:58PM THE TAMPA FIRE AND RESCUE.
08:25:00PM DOES TAMPA FIRE RESCUE IF THE MONEY IS GOING TO COME OUT
08:25:03PM OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, DO THEY WANT TO DO THAT?
08:25:05PM THERE IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT -- WHAT AMOUNT
08:25:08PM IS GOING TO GO TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING VERSUS THIS AND
08:25:11PM THAT.
08:25:11PM SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD HAVE A ROBUST
08:25:14PM DISCUSSION BUT LET'S MAKE SURE THAT IT IS ORDERLY.
08:25:17PM IT'S FUNNY.
08:25:17PM I ALMOST WISH WE HAD A FACILITATOR HERE -- YEAH.
08:25:21PM THAT'S THE FIRST THING I THOUGHT OF THAT WE HAD A
08:25:23PM FACILITATOR HERE BECAUSE -- AND BY THE WAY, WHETHER ANY
08:25:27PM OF US -- THAT'S NOT A COMMENT ON OUR GOOD FRIEND --
08:25:30PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I VOLUNTEER --
08:25:32PM >>LUIS VIERA: CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO WHO DOES A GREAT JOB.
08:25:36PM ANY SEVEN OF US HERE WOULD BE DISADVANTAGED BY THE GREAT
08:25:40PM WEIGHT OF THE MANY ISSUES WE'RE DISCUSSING JUST TO TAKE
08:25:42PM IT OFF THIS POOR'S MAN AND WE ALL OWE CHAIRMAN
08:25:45PM MANISCALCO A DEBT OF GRATITUDE.
08:25:47PM JUST THOUGHTS THAT A LOT OF THESE, WE NEED MORE TIME TO
08:25:50PM LOOK AT AND TO HAVE A POSITION ON SOME OF THESE THIS
08:25:53PM EVENING NEED MORE TIME.
08:25:54PM ON SOME OF THESE.
08:25:55PM ON SOME OF THESE.
08:25:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
08:25:58PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
08:25:59PM ALONG THE SAME LINES, AND I HAVE NO QUALMS WITH THE CITY
08:26:05PM ATTORNEY.
08:26:06PM ANDREA ZELMAN READ THAT PART OF THE CHARTER AND BELIEVES
08:26:09PM IT'S THE RIGHT WAY.
08:26:10PM IF ALL THIS IS TRUE, AND I BELIEVE IT'S TRUE BECAUSE I
08:26:13PM WAS TOLD IT'S TRUE AND IT'S COME BY A VERY REPUTABLE
08:26:17PM PERSON WHO I HAVE KNOWN A LONG TIME AND TELLS IT LIKE IT
08:26:20PM IS, THEN WHAT AM I DOING HERE?
08:26:25PM THE QUESTION TO MYSELF IS -- I DIDN'T MAKE THAT DOCUMENT
08:26:29PM UP.
08:26:29PM IT CAME THROUGH THIS DEPARTMENT WHICH IS CITY COUNCIL,
08:26:32PM THIS HEADQUARTERS.
08:26:35PM WE VOTE NO, WE DON'T LIKE THIS.
08:26:37PM WE'RE NOT GOING TO MEET THE DEMAND BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT
08:26:41PM HAPPENED BETWEEN 23 BUDGET AND 2024 COMING UP BUDGET.
08:26:46PM I WASN'T THERE.
08:26:48PM I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE WAS THERE AND I'M NOT
08:26:50PM QUESTIONING THE ADMINISTRATION.
08:26:52PM THEY SAW WHAT THEY NEEDED AND ASKED WHAT THEY WANTED.
08:26:54PM NOW IF I CAN'T DO ANYTHING WHAT WAS SAID, WHAT AM I
08:26:57PM DOING HERE?
08:27:00PM BETTER ASK YOURSELF THAT QUESTION BEFORE YOU GO ANY
08:27:02PM FURTHER.
08:27:02PM IF YOU CAN'T CUT THE EMPLOYEES, YOU CAN'T CUT THE
08:27:09PM SALARIES, YOU CAN'T CUT WHATEVER I READ HERE.
08:27:14PM A LITTLE BIT AGO, WHAT AM I DOING HERE?
08:27:17PM WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?
08:27:18PM LISTENING TO US DEBATE SOMETHING WE CAN'T DO?
08:27:23PM NOT YOU, MR. ROBINSON.
08:27:25PM YOU'D FIX IT IN TWO SECONDS.
08:27:26PM I'M NOT ARGUING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION.
08:27:28PM I'M NOT ARGUING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY.
08:27:30PM I'M JUST SAYING, IF THE FACTS ARE WHAT THEY ARE, THEN
08:27:34PM WHAT AM I DOING HERE?
08:27:36PM >> IF I COULD, MR. MIRANDA, I DIDN'T SAY YOU CAN'T MAKE
08:27:40PM BUDGET CUTS.
08:27:41PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND THAT.
08:27:42PM >> THERE IS LOTS OF OTHER THINGS TO CUT OTHER THAN
08:27:45PM PERSONNEL AND SALARIES.
08:27:48PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: BUT IF AND DO THAT, FROM WHAT I HEAR,
08:27:51PM I DON'T EVEN KNOW -- I THINK MR. CARLSON, I PASSED BY IT
08:27:54PM EVERY DAY COMING HERE AND I THINK I SAW SOME PEOPLE
08:27:57PM PLAYING PICKLEBALL EVEN IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A COURT.
08:28:00PM IT WAS A BASKETBALL COURT.
08:28:01PM I SAW THAT -- I SAID WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
08:28:04PM I THINK I SAW THAT.
08:28:05PM I'M NOT SURE.
08:28:06PM MAYBE THEY THOUGHT THE BASKETBALL GOT REAL SMALL.
08:28:08PM BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS, BROTHER.
08:28:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO BEFORE I GO TO THE NEXT SPEAKER
08:28:15PM WHICH WILL BE COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, FROM WHAT I'M
08:28:21PM CALCULATING OF THE APP, THAT'S $7 MILLION.
08:28:24PM SO IF THERE IS 7 MILLION, AND THERE IS THAT 6 MILLION
08:28:29PM FROM THE RESERVES AND THAT EXTRA 1.3, THAT'S 14 MILLION.
08:28:33PM THAT'S 30% OF THE 45 MILLION.
08:28:36PM THAT WOULD BE THE EQUIVALENT OF DOING A .3 MILLAGE
08:28:40PM INCREASE, NO?
08:28:42PM AND ESSENTIALLY -- IN A WAY.
08:28:43PM I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE BUT WE'RE MAKING
08:28:47PM PROGRESS.
08:28:47PM EITHER WAY.
08:28:48PM ANYWAYS.
08:28:50PM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON AND THEN CHIEF OF STAFF, DID YOU
08:28:53PM WANT TO SAY SOMETHING, SIR?
08:28:56PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: IT ACTUALLY IS MY PLEASURE THAT ANY
08:28:58PM TIME I DON'T MIND ANYONE FROM STAFF COMING TO SUPPORT A
08:29:04PM COMMENT THAT'S MADE BECAUSE I CAN PULL THE TAPE TO PROVE
08:29:10PM THAT COLLABORATION IS SOMETHING THAT WE SAID THAT WE
08:29:14PM DESIRE.
08:29:14PM BUT NEVERTHELESS, THE THING THAT IS INTERESTING TO ME IS
08:29:20PM THAT WHEN YOU SAY THAT WE HAVE TOO MUCH STAFF, I'M
08:29:23PM UNWILLING TO ACCEPT THAT POINT BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN
08:29:27PM PROVEN.
08:29:28PM THERE IS NO DATA TO BACK THAT UP.
08:29:30PM AND JUST A GENERIC COMMENT ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT COMES
08:29:35PM FROM A COUNCIL MEMBER DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE.
08:29:37PM THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE.
08:29:39PM THAT IS NOT HOW IT'S DONE IN THE BUSINESS WORLD.
08:29:41PM YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DATA.
08:29:44PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS SPENT $1 MILLION FOR
08:29:50PM SOMEONE TO LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE STAFF MEMBER TO
08:29:54PM DETERMINE IF THEY HAD ANY WASTE.
08:29:55PM GUESS WHAT THEY DECIDED?
08:29:56PM ALL THE MEDIA CENTERS DIDN'T NEED ADMINISTRATIVE
08:30:00PM ASSISTANTS.
08:30:00PM THE MEDIA CENTER SPECIALIST CAN WORK IN THE LIBRARY BY
08:30:04PM HERSELF NO MATTER HOW MANY CLASSES COME IN THERE.
08:30:06PM IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN WE'RE OVERSTAFFED.
08:30:09PM I DON'T LIKE THE IMPLICATION IN MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT
08:30:13PM STAFF.
08:30:13PM YOU ALREADY KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE MONEY PART OF IT
08:30:15PM TO SAY WE'RE OVERSTAFFED AND WASTEFUL IN REGARDS TO THE
08:30:20PM PEOPLE THAT WE HIRE IS JUST NOT FAIR.
08:30:23PM AND IT WOULD BE DISINGENUOUS TO ELIMINATE INCOME FOR
08:30:33PM PEOPLE WHO ONLY RECEIVED A 3.% INCREASE LAST YEAR.
08:30:42PM EVERYBODY DIDN'T GET 9.5.
08:30:44PM WHY IS THE SOLUTION TO LOOK AT LOOK AT EMPLOYEES FIRST
08:30:47PM IS SO UNACCEPTABLE WHEN THERE IS OTHER THINGS WE CAN DO.
08:30:51PM CHIEF, I'D LIKE YOU TO COME TO THE PODIUM PLEASE.
08:30:59PM AT MY PLEASURE.
08:31:00PM MAYBE NOT ANYONE ELSE'S.
08:31:02PM I DON'T KNOW.
08:31:05PM THE INCREASES FOR -- THAT WAS IN THE BUDGET THAT WERE
08:31:10PM PRESENTED BECAUSE IT'S A BASELINE, WHETHER WE ACCEPTED
08:31:12PM IT OR NOT, IT IS A BASELINE FOR US TO WORK WITH.
08:31:17PM I THINK THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT.
08:31:19PM THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET INCREASES, FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S
08:31:21PM JUST TAKE THE VERY FIRST ONE.
08:31:23PM NOT THAT I'M PICKING ON ARTS AND CULTURAL AFFAIRS.
08:31:26PM BUT THERE IS A LINE ITEM HERE WHERE THERE IS ONE, TWO,
08:31:30PM THREE, FOUR -- FIVE POSITIONS.
08:31:31PM ARE THESE NEW POSITIONS THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING?
08:31:38PM >> JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF --
08:31:41PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU SAID THIS SUNDAY BY THE WAY.
08:31:43PM >>JOHN BENNETT: YES.
08:31:44PM THIS LIST.
08:31:45PM JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
08:31:47PM OF COURSE ADMINISTRATOR WYNN IS HERE TO SPEAK TO HER
08:31:51PM PORTFOLIO.
08:31:52PM THEY'RE EITHER RECLASSIFICATIONS OR PROGRAMMING -- THERE
08:31:56PM IS FIVE THINGS BUT I'M NOT SURE.
08:31:58PM ONE IS A FULL POSITION.
08:31:59PM A COUPLE ARE RE-CLASSES.
08:32:01PM THEN THE OTHER TWO ARE PROGRAMS.
08:32:03PM SO THERE WOULD REALLY BE THREE AFFECTED POSITIONS.
08:32:06PM ONE ACTUAL FTE AND THREE OTHER RECLASSIFICATIONS IN THE
08:32:11PM LIST OF FIVE.
08:32:16PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHY DID YOU PROVIDE US THIS LIST?
08:32:20PM >>JOHN BENNETT: WELL, IT WAS, AGAIN, THE WAY THE BUDGET
08:32:22PM IS CONSTRUCTED, WE DID IT FROM A BOTTOM UP APPROACH.
08:32:26PM I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE CFO OR BUDGET OFFICER.
08:32:29PM BUT WE WENT THROUGH A RIGOROUS PROCESS TO FIGURE OUT
08:32:32PM WHERE THE LEVEL SERVICES ARE DEPENDING ON THE CATEGORIES
08:32:35PM AND FELT FOR THE MOST PART WE WERE ALIGNED AND WHEN
08:32:38PM STAFF COMES IN, THEY MAKE LEVEL OF SERVICE
08:32:40PM RECOMMENDATIONS.
08:32:42PM MANY OF THEM GET CUT RIGHT OFF THE BAT WITHIN THE
08:32:46PM ADMINISTRATION AND STAFF PROCESS.
08:32:47PM THE ONES THAT SURVIVE ARE BASICALLY THE ONES THAT THE
08:32:51PM ADMINISTRATION THROUGH THOSE PORTFOLIOS WANT TO TRY AND
08:32:54PM DEFEND TO COUNCIL TO HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET.
08:32:57PM BUT OVERALL, THAT'S PART OF THE REASON THAT STAFF IS
08:33:00PM HERE SO WE CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS AT THE RIGHT TIME.
08:33:03PM WHICH IS WHAT WE PROFESS WE WOULD DO A WEEK AGO TO
08:33:07PM SUPPORT YOU TO MAKE THE DECISIONS.
08:33:08PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: RIGHT.
08:33:09PM UNDERSTOOD.
08:33:11PM DID YOUR STAFF ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS ON THIS
08:33:16PM COUNCIL TO HELP THEM MAKE THE DECISIONS THAT THEY'RE
08:33:19PM PRESENTING ON THIS PAPER TODAY?
08:33:22PM >>JOHN BENNETT: IF I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION RIGHT --
08:33:24PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: EVERY BUDGET QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED
08:33:26PM FROM MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL, WERE THEY ANSWERED BY THE
08:33:30PM PEOPLE?
08:33:32PM THAT WORK FOR US?
08:33:33PM THE CITY STAFF?
08:33:34PM >>JOHN BENNETT: YEAH.
08:33:34PM SO EACH COUNCIL MEMBER WHO REACHED OUT TO STAFF EITHER
08:33:37PM GLOBALLY OR ON THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF THE BUDGET,
08:33:41PM STAFF HAD RESPONDED TO THAT.
08:33:43PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY.
08:33:44PM I'D LIKE --
08:33:45PM >>JOHN BENNETT: OR AT LEAST ATTEMPTED TO.
08:33:47PM I WILL CAVEAT, SOME THINGS ARE A LITTLE MORE LABORIOUS
08:33:50PM TO PULL OUT THE DATA SO SOME ARE IOUs BETWEEN NOW AND
08:33:55PM POSSIBLY TUESDAY TO GIVE MORE SUPPORT.
08:33:58PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THIS IS KIND OF LIKE MY BEYONCE/TAYLOR
08:34:02PM SWIFT MOMENT.
08:34:02PM MS. MARLEY, I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO COME BACK TO THE DAIS
08:34:07PM PLEASE.
08:34:08PM BECAUSE THE LOBBYISTS CUT -- THERE WAS A GENERAL
08:34:10PM STATEMENT MADE ABOUT DISRESPECT.
08:34:12PM I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT MEANS.
08:34:13PM JUST BECAUSE THE COUNCIL MEMBER SAYS SOMETHING DOESN'T
08:34:16PM MEAN WE NEED TO ELIMINATE SOMEONE'S JOB.
08:34:20PM THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
08:34:21PM NOT THAT ONE.
08:34:22PM THE ONE WHERE -- THAT SHOWS THE TWO -- THE RETURN ON THE
08:34:25PM INVESTMENT.
08:34:27PM OKAY.
08:34:30PM SO OVER THE PAST ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE YEARS PLUS
08:34:34PM A NEW ONE TODAY, WE'RE AT $227 MILLION.
08:34:39PM RIGHT?
08:34:39PM 226 MILLION?
08:34:41PM >> YEAH.
08:34:41PM WE JUST GOT ANOTHER MILLION TONIGHT.
08:34:44PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: COMPETITIVE GRANTS OVER THE PAST FIVE
08:34:46PM YEARS.
08:34:47PM THE SALARY OF THIS INDIVIDUAL OR GROUP OF PEOPLE, HOW
08:34:51PM MUCH IS THAT?
08:34:52PM >> SO I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON IS
08:34:58PM REFERRING TO, BUT WE HAVE A FEDERAL LOBBY TEAM AND THEN
08:35:01PM A STATE LOBBY TEAM.
08:35:03PM AND WE PAY THE -- IT'S -- 120 FOR FEDERAL AND 120 FOR
08:35:10PM STATE.
08:35:12PM SO IT'S 100 -- IT'S 240 TOTAL.
08:35:18PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY.
08:35:19PM SO FOR -- SO THE GENERAL COMMENT THAT I WANT TO MAKE IS
08:35:22PM THAT I CAN'T SUPPORT MOVING THE LOBBYISTS OVER TO THE
08:35:26PM NEXT PAPER BECAUSE SOMEONE UP HERE SAYS THEY'RE
08:35:29PM DISRESPECTING US.
08:35:30PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
08:35:31PM IT'S NOT QUANTIFIED.
08:35:33PM HAVE THEY BEEN REPRIMANDED FOR IT?
08:35:35PM IS THERE ANY DOCUMENTATION FOR IT?
08:35:36PM THE VERY SPECIFICS OF IT.
08:35:38PM I CAN'T SEEM TO DO THAT.
08:35:39PM BUT WHAT I DO SEE IS -- AND APPRECIATE YOU STANDING UP
08:35:44PM INDICATING THE FEDERAL AND STATE BREAKDOWN OF THE
08:35:47PM DOLLARS WE GENERATED BECAUSE OF THE POSITION THAT YOU'RE
08:35:50PM ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT.
08:35:53PM SO THE LOBBYIST STAYS IN THE BUILDING UNLESS THERE IS
08:35:59PM DOCUMENTATION AND A REPRIMAND FROM COUNCIL THAT
08:36:04PM THIS -- HE, SHE, WHOEVER THESE PEOPLE ARE DON'T DESERVE
08:36:08PM TO WORK FOR US EVEN THOUGH THEY GENERATED $226 MILLION
08:36:13PM IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS.
08:36:14PM THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE EMPLOYEES -- I SAID IT AT
08:36:17PM THE BEGINNING.
08:36:18PM THE 997 PEOPLE DON'T DESERVE TO LOSE INCOME BECAUSE OF
08:36:27PM THIS BUDGET.
08:36:29PM WHEN WE HAVE GENEROSITY WHICH I BROUGHT UP, AND I DIDN'T
08:36:33PM PUT IT ON THE BOARD, BUT I -- NOW I NEED -- I DON'T KNOW
08:36:40PM IF YOU HAVE THAT NUMBER FOR ME, MR. ROGERO.
08:36:44PM BUT THE -- OUR SOCIAL ACTION OBLIGATIONS.
08:36:48PM SOME ARE MANDATORY, I BELIEVE.
08:36:50PM BUT A LOT OF THEM ARE NOT.
08:36:53PM THE $5 MILLION WE BUDGETED TO JUST GIVE TO PEOPLE JUST
08:36:57PM BECAUSE.
08:36:57PM AND FOR THE RECORD, I DISCOVERED THIS IN THE BUDGET
08:37:01PM PROCESS AS A NEOPHYTE.
08:37:02PM I ASKED FOR $50 MILLION FOR SIX ORGANIZATIONS.
08:37:06PM BUT OTHER PEOPLE ASKED FOR A LOT MORE MONEY FOR THE
08:37:11PM THINGS THEY BELIEVE IN AND SUPPORT.
08:37:13PM SO I JUST WANT TO KNOW, THAT 5 -- IT WAS REDUCED FROM
08:37:18PM 6.2.
08:37:19PM YOU DID REDUCE IT FOR 2024.
08:37:21PM BUT EXACTLY HOW MUCH OF THAT -- SOME OF IT YOU SAID WERE
08:37:26PM OBLIGATED TO GIVE.
08:37:28PM AND IT HURTS ME TO PUT THIS ON THE BOARD, BY THE WAY.
08:37:31PM BUT I HAVE TO PUT IT ON THE BOARD BECAUSE I HAVE TO
08:37:33PM CHOOSE PEOPLE, OUR EMPLOYEES, OVER OUR CHARITABLE
08:37:38PM ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GIVE MONEY TO.
08:37:43PM GO AHEAD.
08:37:45PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
08:37:46PM GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
08:37:48PM CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
08:37:50PM WE HAVE A NUMBER OF AGREEMENTS IN PLACE WITHIN THIS
08:37:53PM FUND.
08:37:53PM AGAIN, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE ABILITY TO GET OUT OF THE
08:37:57PM AGREEMENTS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY IN.
08:37:59PM MY PRESUMPTION IS THERE ARE OUT CLAUSES THAT CAN BE
08:38:02PM PURSUED.
08:38:04PM BUT THE AMOUNT WE'RE TIED TO VIA AGREEMENT IS $1
08:38:07PM MILLION.
08:38:08PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SO FOUR MILLION IS AVAILABLE
08:38:12PM FOR -- MS. EDWARDS, I'D NEED YOU TO WRITE $4 MILLION TO
08:38:16PM CHARITY THAT WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO GIVE TO.
08:38:19PM EVEN THOUGH IT HURTS ME TO DO IT.
08:38:21PM BECAUSE I AM VERY CHARITABLE.
08:38:23PM BUT NOT WHEN IT COMES TO PEOPLE.
08:38:29PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: AND I'M SORRY, AND I KNOW YOU KNOW THIS
08:38:30PM BUT FOR THE REST OF CITY COUNCIL THAT PERHAPS HAVE NOT
08:38:33PM SEEN THE LIST OR MAYBE THE PUBLIC, WE ALSO HAVE PART OF
08:38:36PM THAT IS $2.1 MILLION FOR WHAT WE IDENTIFY AS CITY
08:38:40PM ASSETS.
08:38:40PM THE AQUARIUM, ZOO, JUST SO YOU KNOW.
08:38:43PM BUT AGAIN, AS FAR AS I KNOW --
08:38:47PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: AREN'T THOSE ENTERPRISE BUSINESSES?
08:38:51PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THEY'RE NOT ENTERPRISE.
08:38:53PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THEY'RE OUR ASSETS.
08:38:57PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THEY'RE OUR ASSETS.
08:39:00PM I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE OBLIGATED TO GIVE THEM THE FUNDING
08:39:03PM BUT I WANT TO POINT THAT OUT.
08:39:07PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: LET'S TAKE THE STRAZ FOR EXAMPLE.
08:39:10PM WHAT DO WE GIVE THEM?
08:39:12PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE GIVE THEM -- I'M SORRY.
08:39:15PM 625 -- WE'RE ANTICIPATING GIVING THEM $625,000.
08:39:20PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE'RE ALSO ANTICIPATING GIVING THEM
08:39:23PM $25 MILLION.
08:39:26PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THAT'S THE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY BUT
08:39:28PM YES.
08:39:28PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: IT'S DIFFERENT FUNDING.
08:39:29PM I UNDERSTAND.
08:39:29PM I'M TRYING TO MAKE A POINT.
08:39:31PM WHATEVER.
08:39:31PM SO THEY'RE -- SEEMS LIKE THE BIGGER POT WOULD BE MUCH
08:39:37PM MORE AMENABLE TO THOSE PEOPLE THAN $650,000.
08:39:40PM SO YOU CAN PUT THE $4 MILLION IN OUR SOCIAL ACTION.
08:39:46PM MS. EDWARDS, YOU DID IT ALREADY?
08:39:48PM OKAY.
08:39:50PM YOU ARE FAST.
08:39:54PM I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE MUHAMMAD ALI BUT I'LL COME BACK FOR
08:39:59PM SOME MORE.
08:40:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN, CARLSON,
08:40:05PM HURTAK, MIRANDA.
08:40:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT MY OBSERVATION
08:40:11PM AND MY KNOWLEDGE OF THIS IS WE CAN CUT DEPARTMENT
08:40:15PM BUDGETS, PERIOD.
08:40:17PM WE CAN CUT DEPARTMENT BUDGETS.
08:40:19PM WE CANNOT TARGET INDIVIDUALS.
08:40:20PM AND THIS IS WHAT I WOULD CAUTION MY ESTEEMED GENTLEMAN
08:40:25PM TO MY RIGHT IS EVEN IF WE WERE TO TARGET A BUDGET, IT
08:40:29PM DOESN'T MEAN THE MAYOR IS GOING TO FIRE THE PERSON THAT
08:40:32PM YOU WANT TO BE FIRED.
08:40:33PM SO WE CAN CUT BACK THE BUDGET OF THAT DEPARTMENT BUT IT
08:40:36PM DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GOING TO GET THE INCOME YOU DESIRE.
08:40:42PM SO ON THE LOBBYING, AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH
08:40:45PM ABOUT THE ISSUE WITH OUR LOBBYISTS AND WHAT HAPPENS
08:40:49PM SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE PURE PROJECT AND THAT -- THOSE
08:40:55PM SINS.
08:40:55PM IT'S MY OBSERVATION, AGAIN, THAT WE HAVE A GOOD RETURN
08:40:59PM ON THE INVESTMENT FROM OUR LOBBYISTS.
08:41:01PM IT'S BEEN DEMONSTRATED BY THE STAFF.
08:41:07PM I THINK THOSE CONCERNS THAT YOU EXPRESSED, COUNCILMAN,
08:41:10PM ARE VERY VALID, BUT I THINK THAT'S A POLITICAL CONCERN
08:41:14PM BETWEEN -- HONESTLY NOT JUST YOU BUT THIS ENTIRE COUNCIL
08:41:17PM AND ADMINISTRATION TO ENSURE THAT WE SOMEHOW, AND I
08:41:20PM UNDERSTAND THAT OUR BIGGEST HAMMER IS THIS BUDGET.
08:41:23PM BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS
08:41:25PM IN THAT RIGHT WAY.
08:41:26PM BUT I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO WORK SOMEHOW FIND
08:41:29PM A COLLABORATIVE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ADMINISTRATION SO
08:41:32PM THAT NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN.
08:41:34PM BECAUSE WHEN WE HIRE -- THE LOBBYISTS WE HIRE DON'T JUST
08:41:38PM REPRESENT THE ADMINISTRATION.
08:41:40PM THEY REPRESENT THE ENTIRE CITY AND EVERY RESIDENT OF THE
08:41:44PM CITY OF TAMPA AND THERE IS SEVEN ELECTED LEADERS UP
08:41:50PM HERE.
08:41:50PM WE NEED TO MAKE SURE OUR AGENDA IS THE SAME AS THE
08:41:53PM ADMINISTRATION OR THE ADMINISTRATION NEEDS TO MAKE SURE
08:41:54PM IT'S THE SAME AS OUR AGENDA WHEN WE LEAVE THE CITY OF
08:41:57PM TAMPA.
08:41:57PM SO THE VOICES THAT LEAVE TO GO TO TALLAHASSEE OR
08:42:00PM WASHINGTON, D.C., NEED TO BE REFLECTED OF THE VOICES
08:42:03PM THAT SIT UP HERE AS WELL AS THE VOICE THAT'S ACROSS THE
08:42:07PM WAY ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
08:42:10PM I REALLY KIND OF WAS -- WE ARE GOING TO BE IN ENDLESS
08:42:13PM DISCUSSION.
08:42:14PM I THINK WE HEARD A LOT OF THINGS.
08:42:15PM I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE ON.
08:42:16PM WE IDENTIFIED SOME CUTS AND I THINK WITH ALL THOSE ITEMS
08:42:19PM THERE, WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IF WE'RE WILLING TO SWALLOW
08:42:24PM THAT REALLY NASTY PILL TO BE ABLE TO START FROM A
08:42:28PM FOUNDATION AND START ADDING THINGS BACK IN WHEN WE
08:42:34PM CUMULATIVELY -- LET ME SAY ONE MORE THING.
08:42:36PM I ASKED FOR AN IOU AFTER THE BREAK.
08:42:39PM STAFF ASKED FOR 24 HOURS TO LOOK INTO HAT AND THAT WAS
08:42:41PM THE COST OF THE RE -- TEARING DOWN AND REBUILDING TWO
08:42:46PM STATIONS.
08:42:46PM REFURBISHING ANOTHER STATION TO GET THE ACTUAL DOLLAR
08:42:50PM FIGURES.
08:42:51PM SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT BUT I WANT TO CLARIFY, I
08:42:54PM THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PRIORITY WE NEED TO MAKE SURE
08:42:56PM WE ENSURE THE 1.9 MILLION FOR POLICE OFFICERS TO MATCH
08:42:59PM THE GRANT.
08:43:00PM THERE IS LOTS OF THINGS.
08:43:01PM I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO IT.
08:43:02PM I KNOW WE'RE MOVING TO THE OTHER PIECE OF PAPER IT WILL
08:43:04PM BE INCLUDED IN.
08:43:05PM I THINK THIS IS THE TIME WE HAVE THAT BASELINE.
08:43:08PM WE IDENTIFIED WAYS TO FIND MONEY IN THE BUDGET IN A
08:43:13PM LOOSEY-GOOSEY KIND OF WAY.
08:43:14PM NOW WE CAN START IDENTIFYING THINGS AND PRIORITIZE WHAT
08:43:18PM THIS COUNCIL SEES AS A PRIORITY, MUST HAVES SO AT LEAST
08:43:23PM WHEN STAFF LEAVES THIS ROOM TONIGHT, AND GOES BACK AND
08:43:28PM WE HAVE A LOT OF VERY SMART PEOPLE, THEY'RE GOING TO
08:43:31PM HELP US GET TO A BUDGET THAT WILL BALANCE -- BECAUSE I
08:43:35PM HAVE ABSOLUTELY 100% CONFIDENCE THAT ON THE 19th, THE
08:43:39PM CITY OF TAMPA WILL HAVE A BUDGET AND IT WILL BE
08:43:43PM BALANCED.
08:43:43PM IT'S GOING TO BE BALANCED BASED ON THE DUE DILIGENCE
08:43:46PM THIS COUNCIL IS DOING AND ALSO WITH THE ADMINISTRATION
08:43:47PM IS GOING TO DO.
08:43:48PM SO I THINK RIGHT NOW WE NEED TO PRIORITIZE OUR SPENDING
08:43:53PM PRIORITIES TO GIVE THEM THE GUIDANCE THEY NEED TO HELP
08:43:55PM US OUT.
08:43:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AMEN.
08:43:58PM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
08:44:00PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
08:44:02PM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
08:44:03PM >>BILL CARLSON: COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, I DON'T WANT
08:44:06PM TO GO AROUND AND AROUND WITH YOU.
08:44:08PM AND I'M NOT GOING TO DISCUSS PERSONNEL ISSUES TONIGHT.
08:44:10PM IF YOU'D LIKE TO PUT THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC ON THE AGENDA
08:44:13PM FOR ANOTHER DAY, I'D BE HAPPY TO BRING ALL THE EVIDENCE.
08:44:16PM IN FACT, THERE ARE MULTIPLE MEDIA OUTLETS THAT PULLED
08:44:19PM PUBLIC RECORDS ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.
08:44:20PM AND I'VE GOT PLENTY OF DOCUMENTATION.
08:44:23PM AND HOWEVER YOU MIGHT KNOW PEOPLE OR LIKE THEM, THIS
08:44:28PM COUNCIL HAS SUFFERED AND THE PUBLIC AND COMMUNITY
08:44:32PM SUFFERED THROUGH A LOT OF BAD SITUATIONS IN THE LAST
08:44:35PM FOUR YEARS.
08:44:36PM AND YOU'RE NEW AND NOT MANY OF THEM HAVE HAPPENED SINCE
08:44:40PM THEN.
08:44:40PM I PERSONALLY PLEADED WITH THE MAYOR FOR COLLEGIALITY AND
08:44:43PM PLEADED WITH THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND EITHER WE MAKE BIG
08:44:49PM CHANGES IN THE BUDGET TO BRING PEOPLE WHO WORK WITH CITY
08:44:53PM COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR OR THE MAYOR HAS GOT TO STAND UP
08:44:56PM AND ASK HER STAFF AND CONSULTANTS TO GET ALONG WITH
08:45:00PM EVERYONE.
08:45:00PM AND THERE IS PLENTY, PLENTY OF EVIDENCE THAT I CAN
08:45:07PM SHARE.
08:45:07PM I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH ALL OF IT NOW AND I WOULD
08:45:09PM NEED TO TALK TO MS. ZELMAN BEFORE I WENT THROUGH ANY
08:45:13PM PERSONNEL ISSUES HERE, BUT THERE IS PLENTY OF RECORDS
08:45:16PM ABOUT -- AND I'D ENCOURAGE YOU ASK ANYBODY IN THE
08:45:19PM COMMUNITY.
08:45:19PM ASK ANY OF THE SENIOR ADMINISTRATORS WHY THERE IS
08:45:23PM CONFLICT BETWEEN CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR AND YOU'LL
08:45:26PM GET LOTS OF EVIDENCE ABOUT WHY THAT'S HAPPENING.
08:45:28PM AND I WOULD -- YOU CAN SEE WHY I REACTED THE WAY I DID
08:45:33PM TONIGHT.
08:45:34PM WE HAVE TO -- WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER AND WE HAVE TO
08:45:39PM FIGURE OUT HOW TO MOVE THE CITY FORWARD.
08:45:42PM WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS WORK IN THE BEST INTEREST OF
08:45:45PM COMMUNITY AND GET THINGS DONE AND SHOULDN'T BE DRIVEN BY
08:45:50PM POLITICS.
08:45:50PM I TALKED TO CHIEF OF STAFF IN THE BREAK AND I'VE GOT
08:45:56PM OTHER IDEAS.
08:45:57PM OTHER PEOPLE HAVE OTHER IDEAS.
08:45:58PM WHAT I SAID EARLIER, WHAT I'D LIKE IS FOR US TO NOT HAVE
08:46:01PM A NEWS DAY TOMORROW WHERE SOMEBODY FROM THE
08:46:05PM ADMINISTRATION SAYS, THERE GOES CITY COUNCIL, THEY
08:46:08PM DIDN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM AGAIN AFTER HOWEVER MANY HOURS
08:46:10PM AND THE ADMINISTRATION SAID THEY SPENT MONTHS AND MONTHS
08:46:14PM GOING OVER THIS AND MY ANSWER IS NEXT TIME INCLUDE US
08:46:17PM AND THAT WOULD AVOID THE ISSUE AND I THINK SHE'LL DO
08:46:20PM THAT NEXT TIME.
08:46:21PM WE TRIED TO DO THIS IN A FEW HOURS AND IT'S NOT EASY.
08:46:24PM WHAT I'D SAY AT SOME POINT WHEN EVERYBODY IS GIVING
08:46:28PM INPUT WE CAN SPEND ALL NIGHT HERE.
08:46:30PM I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT AND GO THROUGH IDEAS AND WE'VE ALL
08:46:32PM GOT PLENTY OF THEM.
08:46:36PM I'D SUGGEST MAYBE SOONER THAN LATER WE ASK THE CHIEF OF
08:46:39PM STAFF, BY CHARTER, WE'RE AUTHORIZED BY THE CHARTER TO
08:46:43PM SPEND THE REST OF THE NIGHT EDITING THIS.
08:46:45PM WE ALSO CAN ASK THE ADMINISTRATION BASED ON OUR FEEDBACK
08:46:48PM AND OUR PRIORITIES AND VALUES, CAN YOU TAKE THAT AND
08:46:52PM TALK TO YOUR STAFF AND FIGURE OUT HOW BEST TO DO THIS.
08:46:55PM I LEGITIMATELY -- I'M NOT TRYING TO HAND IT OFF TO THEM.
08:46:58PM I DON'T LIKE HAVING THE STAFF MEMBERS STAND UP -- LIKE
08:47:02PM VIC STANDING UP AND DEFENDING -- I HATE DOING THAT
08:47:05PM BECAUSE I LIKE THE ADMINISTRATORS.
08:47:07PM THEY WORK WITH US EVERY DAY.
08:47:09PM WE PARTNER WITH THEM.
08:47:10PM I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO CUT ALL THIS.
08:47:12PM IF WE HAVE TO WE WILL.
08:47:13PM NOW WE PROFESSED CERTAIN VALUES.
08:47:16PM AND IF -- AS SOON AS THE CHIEF OF STAFF FEELS
08:47:18PM COMFORTABLE THAT HE CAN GO BACK WITH HIS TEAM, I'D SAY
08:47:21PM LET THEM COME BACK AND THEY CAN TALK TO US BILATERALLY
08:47:26PM AND HOPEFULLY WE'D HAVE SOMETHING WE CAN WORK WITH ON
08:47:28PM THE 19th.
08:47:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANKS YOU VERY MUCH.
08:47:32PM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK AND COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
08:47:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
08:47:35PM I HAD A QUICK QUESTION FOR CHIEF OF STAFF.
08:47:42PM OR -- YEAH.
08:47:42PM I GUESS -- SO THESE GENERAL FUND BUDGET INCREASES FOR
08:47:47PM $32 MILLION.
08:47:52PM WHERE IS THIS MONEY COMING FROM?
08:47:57PM >> WELL, I'D GIVE THAT TO THE CFO.
08:47:59PM HOWEVER -- JUST IN A BROAD SENSE IF I CAN MAYBE LEAD IN
08:48:04PM BEFORE WE GET TO THAT POINT, AS YOU MENTIONED EARLIER,
08:48:09PM SO IT WAS A MILL SLICE AND THEN THERE WAS WHAT WE'D
08:48:13PM ARGUE IS THE NORMAL -- I THINK IT WAS 12.3%.
08:48:17PM THEN YOU HAVE YOUR CORE BUDGET.
08:48:19PM SO THIS IS THE INCREASES THAT WERE VETTED BY STAFF OVER
08:48:22PM THOSE MONTHS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PART OF THE INCREASE
08:48:25PM WITHOUT THE MILL.
08:48:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, BUT IF WE ONLY HAVE 26.2 MILLION,
08:48:32PM WHERE DOES THE 32 COME FROM?
08:48:34PM >> THAT I WILL LET THE CFO UNPACK.
08:48:37PM YES.
08:48:41PM >> THANK YOU, CHIEF.
08:48:43PM DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
08:48:45PM LET ME GET MY LIST.
08:48:50PM THANK YOU.
08:48:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU MUST BE BORED TO COME TO THIS
08:48:52PM MEETING AT THIS TIME.
08:48:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH.
08:49:04PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YOU'RE REFERRING THE $32.1 MILLION
08:49:08PM TOTAL OF THAT SHEET.
08:49:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
08:49:11PM THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
08:49:13PM YES.
08:49:15PM SO WHERE DOES THE EXTRA 6 MILLION COME FROM?
08:49:18PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: AND LET ME -- AGAIN, I'M NOT ATTEMPTING
08:49:21PM TO MUDDY THE WATER.
08:49:22PM THIS IS THE LIST OF OUR BUDGET INCREASES SUBMITTED BY
08:49:26PM ADMINISTRATORS, REVIEWED BY THE MAYOR AND THAT INTO THE
08:49:30PM PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR '24 BUDGET THAT YOU ALL RECEIVED.
08:49:34PM AND WITH ONE EXCEPTION, THESE ARE ALL INCREASES.
08:49:38PM AND THAT ONE EXCEPTION IS OVER TIME.
08:49:41PM WE TREAT OVERTIME DIFFERENTLY THAN EVERYTHING ELSE
08:49:45PM BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY ITEM WE START WITH A ZERO-BASED
08:49:49PM BUDGET.
08:49:50PM ALTHOUGH THIS IS A $32.1 MILLION FIGURE THAT'S BECAUSE
08:49:55PM IT HAS THE ENTIRETY FUND OVERTIME BUDGET WHICH IS 8.4
08:49:59PM MILLION.
08:50:00PM THE ACTUAL INCREASE IN OVERTIME -- I SHOULDN'T SAY ONLY
08:50:05PM BUT 1.2 MILLION.
08:50:07PM THE WAY THIS IS INPUT INTO THE SYSTEM BECAUSE WE DO A
08:50:09PM ZERO BASED BUDGET FOR OVERTIME, THE AMOUNT OF THE
08:50:12PM INCREASE IS A LIST EXAGGERATED.
08:50:16PM THE ACTUAL INCREASE WAS 24.9 MILLION.
08:50:19PM SO I APOLOGIZE FOR IT BEING CONFUSING.
08:50:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO IT'S 24.9 MILLION AND THEN THE
08:50:26PM OVERTIME IS THE EXTRA.
08:50:28PM IS THAT THE -- BASICALLY THE --
08:50:30PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT IS BUT THE 24.9 MILLION INCLUDES THE
08:50:35PM INCREASE IN OVERTIME.
08:50:36PM AND AS I LOOK AT THIS, I -- AGAIN, BECAUSE WE PULLED
08:50:40PM THIS OUT OF THE SYSTEM, AND WE PULL OUT OF THE SYSTEM
08:50:43PM WHAT YOU PUT INTO THE SYSTEM, AND WHEN EACH
08:50:47PM ADMINISTRATOR DOES THEIR BUDGET INCREASE, IT'S THEIR
08:50:50PM WHOLE OVERTIME BUDGET THAT GETS SCRUTINY BY ME, THE
08:50:53PM CHIEF OF STAFF AND MAYOR.
08:50:56PM SO THE 24.9 MILLION INCLUDES THE INCREASE IN OVERTIME.
08:51:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SORRY.
08:51:05PM I JUST HAVE TO WRITE NOTES.
08:51:09PM BUT AGAIN, YOU SAID THESE ARE ALL INCREASES IN --
08:51:16PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES.
08:51:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO I THINK THIS IS
08:51:20PM WHERE -- BECAUSE -- HERE IS THE THING.
08:51:21PM I MEAN, GOING BACK TO JUST LOOKING AT THE FIRST
08:51:24PM GROUPING, ARTS AND CULTURAL AFFAIRS, CULTURAL
08:51:27PM PROGRAMMING AT HANNAH CITY CENTER FOR $29,800, THAT'S
08:51:32PM NOT AN INCREASE.
08:51:33PM THAT'S A WANT.
08:51:35PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: WELL, AND I THINK AT THE RISK OF
08:51:37PM READING THE CHIEF'S MIND, MANY OF THESE -- I'LL GIVE YOU
08:51:42PM AN EXAMPLE AND THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE TOO BUT I'LL GIVE
08:51:44PM YOU A LARGER EXAMPLE.
08:51:46PM YOU'LL SEE DOZENS OF BUDGET INCREASE REQUESTS BY
08:51:48PM TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATION.
08:51:52PM $2 MILLION OF THAT ARE INCREASES IN CONTRACT JUST TO
08:51:56PM MAINTAIN THESE -- SO YOU'RE QUITE RIGHT.
08:51:59PM MUCH OF THIS ARE COST INCREASES TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT
08:52:03PM LEVEL OF SERVICE AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE SAYING
08:52:05PM ALSO.
08:52:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
08:52:06PM SO WHAT I'D LOVE IS A DIFFERENTIATION OF COSTS GOING UP
08:52:12PM AND WANTS.
08:52:13PM -- DIFFERENTIATION.
08:52:15PM WANTS ARE NEW PERSONNEL.
08:52:17PM THESE NEW PROJECTS THAT WE CAN PAUSE FOR A YEAR.
08:52:20PM THE CULTURAL PROGRAMMING AT HANNAH CITY CENTER DOESN'T
08:52:23PM EXIST YET, SO POSTPONING FOR A YEAR DOESN'T HURT
08:52:27PM ANYTHING.
08:52:27PM SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS A DIVISION OF
08:52:30PM THAT.
08:52:31PM BECAUSE SAYING THAT THESE ARE REQUIRED INCREASES AND
08:52:36PM NOT -- THAT WASN'T THE WORD YOU USED BUT INCREASES ISN'T
08:52:41PM NECESSARILY THE CASE.
08:52:42PM I WANT TO BE ABLE TO DIVIDE THAT AND THAT IS AGAIN WHERE
08:52:45PM I GOT MY FOCUS FOR MONEY FROM.
08:52:48PM SO I'D LOVE TO KNOW -- I BELIEVE COUNCIL MEMBER
08:52:53PM MANISCALCO ALREADY ASKED FOR THE NEW PERSONNEL AND COST
08:52:58PM ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
08:53:00PM BECAUSE I MEAN, I THINK THAT IS EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE.
08:53:03PM AND I ASKED FOR IT TO BE PULLED OUT WITH THE ENTERPRISE
08:53:07PM FUNDS AND CRA BEING SEPARATE BECAUSE THOSE AGAIN, AREN'T
08:53:11PM AFFECTED BY THE GENERAL BUDGET WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE
08:53:14PM LOOKING AT HERE.
08:53:15PM SO I MEAN, CRA CAN AFFORD THEIR EIGHT PEOPLE.
08:53:18PM PARKING CAN AFFORD THEIR EIGHT PEOPLE.
08:53:21PM AND THE ROI ON BOTH IS GOING TO WORK OUT.
08:53:25PM BUT TAKING SOME OF THE STUFF OUT IS AGAIN WHERE I
08:53:30PM BELIEVE WE CAN FIND MONEY FOR BOTH A FIRE STATION AND
08:53:35PM HOUSING.
08:53:37PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: UNDERSTOOD.
08:53:38PM AND IF I MAY OFFER A SUGGESTION.
08:53:40PM AGAIN, MY INTENT IS TO MAKE IT CLEARER AND YOU CAN TELL
08:53:46PM ME IF I'M ACTUALLY MUDDYING IT.
08:53:48PM SINCE YOU'VE ASKED FOR THE BIFURCATION OR
08:53:52PM DIFFERENTIATION WITH THIS LIST,
08:53:56PM MIGHT -- DIFFERENTIATION, MIGHT WE REPLACE IT WITH THE
08:53:58PM INCREASE.
08:53:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.
08:54:00PM I KNOW THAT TAKES A LOT OF EXTRA WORK.
08:54:05PM THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT
08:54:09PM AND THAT EXPLANATION.
08:54:10PM AND I WANT TO MAKE VERY CLEAR THAT I VALUE AND
08:54:17PM APPRECIATE EVERY MEMBER OF OUR STAFF, AND I CAN SEE THAT
08:54:22PM CUTTING ACTUAL PEOPLE IS NOT SOMETHING ANYONE WANTS TO
08:54:27PM DO.
08:54:28PM I DON'T WANT TO DO IT GOING FORWARD.
08:54:29PM I DON'T WANT TO DO IT NOW.
08:54:32PM BUT I'M VERY CLEAR IN SAYING THAT WE ABSOLUTELY IN THIS
08:54:36PM NEXT FISCAL YEAR HAVE TO LOOK AT PERSONNEL AND MOVING
08:54:40PM THINGS AROUND BECAUSE WE CANNOT CONTINUE ON THIS LEVEL.
08:54:45PM I CAN'T GET THE IMAGE OUT OF MY HEAD.
08:54:48PM MAYBE I'M ONLINE TOO MUCH, OF THE -- OF THE RAILROAD
08:54:55PM WITH THE BIFURCATION OF -- ARE YOU GOING TO RUN PEOPLE
08:54:57PM OVER OR NOT.
08:54:59PM I FEEL LIKE WE'RE IN THAT POSITION.
08:55:00PM WE'RE ABOUT TO RUN A BUNCH OF PEOPLE OVER BECAUSE I
08:55:03PM DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO FIRE ANYONE.
08:55:05PM AND IF WE DON'T CONTROL OUR PERSONNEL, THAT'S WHERE
08:55:10PM WE'RE GOING TO END UP.
08:55:11PM ESPECIALLY IF WE ENTER INTO A RECESSION.
08:55:13PM IT'S JUST SOMETHING I DON'T WANT TO DO.
08:55:17PM SO AS PEOPLE MOVE ON, AS ATTRITION HAPPENS, WE REALLY DO
08:55:20PM HAVE TO LOOK VERY CAREFULLY THIS YEAR AT HOW WE'RE GOING
08:55:23PM TO HANDLE OUR PERSONNEL.
08:55:27PM I'M JUST -- IT -- FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, IT SUCKS.
08:55:34PM I WANT TO HIRE A TON OF NEW PEOPLE AND HAVE THE MONEY TO
08:55:37PM DO EVERYTHING, BUT WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY FOR
08:55:39PM THAT RIGHT NOW.
08:55:40PM AND THE PUBLIC MADE IT REALLY CLEAR.
08:55:44PM WE NEED TO FIND A BETTER BALANCE, AND I GREATLY
08:55:48PM APPRECIATE YOUR HELP IN DOING THAT.
08:55:49PM AND I HAVE OTHER -- A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS IN THE
08:55:53PM PIPELINE RIGHT NOW, AND I WANT TO THANK MY FELLOW
08:55:56PM COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR A REALLY PHENOMENAL JOB AND DIGGING
08:56:01PM STUFF UP.
08:56:02PM THIS IS REALLY HARD TO DO WITH -- I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR
08:56:05PM EVERYBODY BUT BASICALLY LIKE A HIGH SCHOOL OR COLLEGE
08:56:07PM LEVEL MATH CLASS.
08:56:09PM AND UNDERSTANDING AND THIS IS A LOT OF WORK AND I WANT
08:56:14PM TO THANK YOU ALL TOO.
08:56:17PM >> CAN WE START ADDING STUFF TO THE BOARD NOW?
08:56:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
08:56:24PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
08:56:26PM WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OVERTIME PAY IN GENERAL FOR
08:56:29PM CITY EVENTS, SPONSORSHIP, PARADES OR SOMETHING LIKE
08:56:32PM THAT.
08:56:33PM IS THAT PART OF IT?
08:56:35PM >> YES.
08:56:35PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THERE IS ONE EVENT THAT HAPPENS SO
08:56:38PM MANY TIMES IN ONE AREA THAT THEY TELL ME THAT THEY TELL
08:56:42PM ME IT COSTS $250,000 EVERY TIME THERE IS AN EVENT AND IT
08:56:46PM HAPPENS THERE TEN TIMES A YEAR.
08:56:52PM >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MAYBE -- A STADIUM DEPLOYMENT
08:56:56PM OR SOMETHING?
08:56:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING.
08:56:58PM I'M TALKING ABOUT WHAT I HEARD IN THE STREET.
08:57:00PM 250,000 TIMES 10 IS 2.5 MILLION A YEAR TIMES 30 YEARS.
08:57:06PM GOT THE DRIFT?
08:57:08PM >> I UNDERSTAND.
08:57:09PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT SAYING.
08:57:11PM THAT'S WHAT I HEARD.
08:57:12PM THAT'S $75 MILLION.
08:57:15PM >> UNDERSTAND.
08:57:16PM AND JUST, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE MAYOR HAS
08:57:19PM ALWAYS DONE AND WE TRY AND DO -- WE LOOK -- YOU KNOW, IF
08:57:23PM YOU TAKE A LARGE-SCALE EVENT, THE POLICE HAVE REALLY
08:57:27PM MASTERED THIS AS WELL WHERE THEY TAKE DAYS OFF AND COME
08:57:30PM BACK SO THEY AVOID OVERTIME.
08:57:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IT'S NEEDED.
08:57:33PM YOU GOT TO HAVE POLICE AND FIRE AND THE EVENT.
08:57:37PM I'M NOT QUESTIONING IT'S NOT NEEDED.
08:57:38PM IT IS NEEDED.
08:57:39PM THE PROBLEM IS WHO PAYS FOR IT.
08:57:42PM THE NEED IS THERE.
08:57:43PM I DON'T WANT ANYBODY GETTING -- IN ANY RIOTS AND THAT
08:57:49PM KIND OF STUFF.
08:57:50PM I KNOW EVERY IS DOING THEIR JOB AND I APPRECIATE IT VERY
08:57:52PM MUCH.
08:57:52PM I REALLY DO.
08:57:53PM BUT THESE ARE THINGS WE GOT TO THINK OF IN THE FUTURE.
08:57:56PM YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING NOW.
08:57:57PM I'M JUST SAYING THAT WHEN YOU BROUGHT THAT UP ABOUT OVER
08:57:59PM TIME, IT CLICKED ON WHAT SOMEBODY TOLD ME.
08:58:03PM AND I'M NOT GOING TO SAY WHO THAT SOMEBODY IS.
08:58:05PM >> IF I CAN MAKE ONE POINT TO THAT.
08:58:07PM ONE OF THE EXERCISES WE DO OVER FTEs IS BALANCE -- I
08:58:11PM CALL IT THE MANAGER TRIANGLE.
08:58:13PM WE TALK ABOUT WHAT IS OVERTIME DO AS IT RELATES TO THE
08:58:16PM CONTRACTS AND LEVEL OF SERVICE.
08:58:18PM WHAT DOES AN FTE DO.
08:58:20PM WHAT DOES OUTSOURCING DO.
08:58:22PM IT'S A SHORT-TERM PROBLEM, LONG-TERM PROBLEM, WHATEVER
08:58:28PM AND THAT'S PART OF THE TRIANGULATION OF THE FTEs.
08:58:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M JUST QUESTIONING WHO PAYS FOR IT.
08:58:34PM THAT'S IT.
08:58:35PM I'M LOOKING AT THINGS WAY BEYOND MY SCOPE.
08:58:37PM AND I'M JUST SEEING WHAT THE PUBLIC -- SOME PEOPLE TOLD
08:58:40PM ME ON THE STREET YEARS AGO.
08:58:43PM AND WHEN YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT OVERTIME, IT CLICKED AND
08:58:46PM THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION.
08:58:47PM >> UNDERSTOOD.
08:58:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S IT.
08:58:51PM THANK YOU.
08:58:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON AND THEN
08:58:55PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WILL CLOSE US OUT AND THEN WE'LL GO
08:58:58PM TO THE BOARD.
08:58:59PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
08:59:01PM APPRECIATE IT.
08:59:02PM WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT THE SCENES SO I HAVE TO SAY THINGS
08:59:05PM PUBLICLY.
08:59:07PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I APPRECIATE YOUR PASSION ON, YOU
08:59:11PM KNOW, ALL OF YOUR ISSUES.
08:59:13PM BUT I NEED THINGS TO BE QUANTIFIED AND HAVE MEANING.
08:59:17PM IF THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T DESERVE TO BE EMPLOYED BY
08:59:21PM THE CITY OF TAMP A, IT CAN'T BE A BLANKET STATEMENT FOR
08:59:24PM ME.
08:59:25PM I HAVE TO HAVE THE SUPPORT THAT FOLLOWS THAT AND THAT
08:59:31PM SHOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE BEFORE I GOT HERE.
08:59:33PM IF THE LOBBYISTS DIDN'T SUPPORT PURE OR WENT IN A
08:59:38PM DIFFERENT DIRECTION, YOU WON THAT BATTLE.
08:59:41PM EVEN DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY MAY NOT HAVE DONE WHAT
08:59:44PM WE LIKE.
08:59:46PM WHEN YOU WORK IN A COLLABORATIVE ENVIRONMENT, YOU NEED
08:59:49PM PEOPLE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU SO YOU CAN FIND BALANCE.
08:59:53PM YOU HAVE TO -- YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.
08:59:55PM YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON YOUR SIDE ALL THE
08:59:57PM TIME.
08:59:58PM YOU HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE COURAGE TO STAND
09:00:01PM UP EVEN TO THEIR BOSSES.
09:00:04PM THAT'S JUST THE SYSTEM THAT I'VE ALWAYS BEEN SUCCESSFUL
09:00:09PM IN.
09:00:11PM OTHER THAN THAT, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE
09:00:18PM RECLASSIFICATION ON YOUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET INCREASES.
09:00:21PM SOME OF THEM ARE RECLASSIFICATION BECAUSE THEY'RE SMALL
09:00:23PM AMOUNTS.
09:00:24PM THAT'S SOMEONE'S JOB THAT'S BEING RECLASSIFIED AND THIS
09:00:28PM IS THE INCREASE?
09:00:30PM YOU KNOW, SO -- SOME OF THESE JOBS ARE NOT FILLED.
09:00:34PM >> WELL, IF IT'S A RE-CLASS, IT EITHER IS NOT FILLED
09:00:38PM BECAUSE THE SCOPE OF SERVICES ARE DEMANDING -- OR THE
09:00:42PM INDIVIDUAL COULD BE WORKING OUT OF CLASSIFICATION.
09:00:45PM AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE IS A WHOLE OTHER HR
09:00:49PM PROCESS TO VALIDATE THE EMPLOYEE'S ABILITY OR THEY HAVE
09:00:51PM TO COMPETE BACK FOR THE RE-CLASS.
09:00:54PM SO THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS THAT GO ON BEHIND A
09:00:58PM RE-CLASS.
09:00:58PM WE ASKED, YOU KNOW, DURING THE COVID YEARS OF COURSE,
09:01:03PM THE FILLING POSITIONS, WE TRIED TO KEEP A 5% VACANCY
09:01:07PM RATE BECAUSE COUNCIL IS SO GOOD AT SUPPORTING US ON THE
09:01:10PM BUDGET.
09:01:10PM WE WANT TO GIVE THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF SERVICE POSSIBLE.
09:01:13PM SO WE TRY AND SET THAT BAR AT 5%.
09:01:16PM ANYTHING THAT COMES TO US FOR RE-CLASS GOES THROUGH THIS
09:01:18PM REALLY RIGOROUS PROCESS OF BUDGET AVAILABILITY, TALENT,
09:01:22PM SCOPE OF WORK, ALL THOSE THINGS BEFORE IT GETS APPROVED.
09:01:25PM BUT WHAT WE HAVE ASKED THIS YEAR OF STAFF IS THAT
09:01:29PM EVERYTHING TRIES TO GO INTO THE BUDGET ON RE-CLASS.
09:01:32PM AND THEN IF SOMETHING HAPPENS IN A MIDYEAR PROCESS, WE
09:01:35PM WANT TO BE VERY TRANSPARENT ABOUT IT TO COUNCILWOMAN
09:01:38PM HURTAK'S POINT OF VIEW AND EVEN THE MAYOR SAID WE'RE
09:01:40PM GOING TO LOOK AT THESE THINGS.
09:01:42PM WHEN WE WENT THROUGH ALMOST 36 MONTHS OF COVID TRYING TO
09:01:45PM KEEP THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF SERVICE IN THE CITY, THINGS
09:01:48PM ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
09:01:49PM NOBODY HAS EVER FACED A PANDEMIC LIKE THAT.
09:01:52PM WE'RE IN A REALLY UNIQUE SPOT BUT COMING OUT OF THIS WE
09:01:55PM WANT A HIGHER LEVEL QUALITY ASSURANCE, QUALITY CONTROL
09:01:59PM GOING FORWARD, AND I'LL HOLD THERE FOR A MINUTE.
09:02:01PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY, THANK YOU.
09:02:02PM THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO ASK.
09:02:04PM DO WE CONTRIBUTE ANY MONEY TOWARD GASPARILLA?
09:02:08PM I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THIS BUDGET.
09:02:12PM >> I'LL BREAK IT DOWN TWO WAYS.
09:02:15PM THERE IS HARD COSTS AND SOFT COSTS.
09:02:18PM BECAUSE GASPARILLA IS A CITY CHARTER EVENT, WE HAVE A
09:02:21PM HANDFUL OF CITY CHARTER EVENTS FULLY COSPONSORED.
09:02:24PM OR FULLY SPONSORED YOU'D ARGUE THAT WE'D PICK UP 100% OF
09:02:28PM THE COST OF THAT EVENT.
09:02:30PM BOTH IN HARD COSTS RELATED TO WHAT SERVICES WE DO PLUS
09:02:34PM THE IN-KIND COST OF THE PERSONNEL.
09:02:36PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY.
09:02:37PM I DIDN'T GET TO SAY THIS IN MY OPENING STATEMENT BUT I
09:02:40PM WANT TO SAY IT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING AT -- MOVING
09:02:43PM ON.
09:02:45PM THERE IS THIS THING THAT WE -- THAT, YOU KNOW, IS
09:02:49PM FLOATING AROUND CALLED PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.
09:02:52PM SO THERE ARE THINGS IN OUR BUDGET THAT THE CORPORATIONS
09:02:58PM WHO DO BUSINESS IN OUR TOWN, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD ASK
09:03:02PM THEM TO TAKE ON SOME OF THAT FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY TO BE
09:03:06PM JUST -- JUST LIKE HOW WE RAISE MONEY FOR THE AMERICAN
09:03:09PM CANCER SOCIETY OR, YOU KNOW, RED CROSS OR WHATEVER THE
09:03:13PM CASE MAY BE.
09:03:14PM WE HAVE TO GET CREATIVE IN OUR APPROACH TO THIS BUDGET,
09:03:20PM SO I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO RECOMMEND -- I KNOW WE CAN'T
09:03:25PM NECESSARILY PUT IT ON -- HOW WE COULD LIST IT.
09:03:28PM BUT THERE ARE THINGS BASED ON OUR MISSION AND VISION
09:03:32PM THAT WE SHOULD ASK FOR PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, PRIVATE
09:03:38PM DONATIONS, TO COVER SOME OF THE COST BECAUSE IT'S THE
09:03:42PM THINGS THAT MAKE OUR CITY GREAT.
09:03:44PM LIKE GASPARILLA.
09:03:45PM IT'S A CHARTER BUT IT MAY COST US -- YOU DIDN'T GIVE ME
09:03:48PM THE AMOUNT AND I THINK THAT WAS INTENTIONAL.
09:03:50PM BECAUSE IT PROBABLY COST A LOT OF MONEY BECAUSE I KNOW
09:03:52PM THAT WHEN GASPARILLA IS OVER, WE WAKE UP IN THE MORNING
09:03:56PM AND BAYSHORE IS CLEAN.
09:04:01PM YEAH.
09:04:01PM I MEAN -- THAT BIG PARTY IS MESSY BUT YET, YOU KNOW, AND
09:04:06PM THAT TAKES AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF STAFF TO MAKE THAT
09:04:08PM HAPPEN, AND THAT'S ADDED COST.
09:04:10PM SO THINGS LIKE THAT, WHERE I -- I FEEL AS THOUGH WE
09:04:15PM COULD PROBABLY FIND, YOU KNOW, $10 MILLION JUST LIKE WE
09:04:20PM DO WITH GRANTS.
09:04:21PM WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE OUR CITY BUSINESS PARTNERS
09:04:27PM SUPPORT US IN THINGS THAT REALLY WE SHOULDER THE
09:04:32PM RESPONSIBILITY, BUT WE COULD USE SOME SUPPORT ON.
09:04:35PM I'D LIKE STAFF TO CONSIDER CREATING A LIST BEFORE WE
09:04:38PM COME BACK ON THE 19th OF SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE
09:04:43PM CAN MAKE PUBLIC TO OUR COMMUNITY TO SEE WHAT BUSINESS
09:04:45PM PARTNERS ARE WILLING TO TAKE ON THOSE TASKS.
09:04:50PM I KNOW THAT -- BECAUSE -- WE HAVE TO THINK OUTSIDE THE
09:04:54PM BOX AS WELL.
09:04:57PM WE CAN'T AFFORD EVERY SINGLE THING.
09:04:59PM I WANT TO KEEP EVERY EMPLOYEE.
09:05:00PM I WANT THOSE WHO ARE NON-UNION TO GET THEIR 3% INCREASE.
09:05:05PM SOME PEOPLE FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, FROM ATTORNEY ZELMAN
09:05:08PM DON'T GET INCREASE S AT ALL.
09:05:09PM SO IT'S JUST TOO GENERIC FOR US TO SAY WE HAVE TOO MANY
09:05:14PM STAFF AND WE ARE NOT ABLE TO PROVE THAT THAT IS THE
09:05:18PM CASE.
09:05:19PM AND SO I JUST DON'T WANT TO ELIMINATE SOMEONE'S
09:05:25PM POSITION, AND I ACTUALLY WANT THEM TO GET THEIR INCREASE
09:05:27PM BECAUSE EMPLOYEE MORALE IS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT.
09:05:31PM AND JUST LIKE EXPENSES ARE GOING UP FOR EVERYONE ALL
09:05:35PM OVER THE CITY, THEY ARE PART OF THAT -- THOSE 997 PEOPLE
09:05:38PM ARE PART OF THAT AS WELL.
09:05:40PM SO THANK YOU FOR THE TIME, CHAIR.
09:05:43PM AND MAKING THOSE COMMENTS.
09:05:44PM I DO APPRECIATE ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
09:05:46PM I LEARNED SO MUCH.
09:05:47PM CHARLIE, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR PERSPECTIVE.
09:05:51PM I CAN FEEL THE DRAGON BLOOD REACHING OVER ME.
09:05:54PM AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE YOUR EXPERIENCE WHEN
09:05:58PM I COMMITTED TO NICK, I SAID, NICK, I COMMIT TO YOU BUT
09:06:03PM CHARLIE IS RIGHT.
09:06:04PM WE GOT TO HAVE THE REVENUE TO MAKE THE COMMITMENT REAL.
09:06:07PM AND SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:06:08PM THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY.
09:06:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, WHAT WOULD YOU
09:06:12PM LIKE TO ADD TO THE LIST?
09:06:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WAS KIND OF -- FOLLOWING ALONG WITH
09:06:16PM WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON SAID BUT I'M GOING TO BE
09:06:20PM MORE BLUNT ABOUT IT.
09:06:22PM PUBLIC EVENTS.
09:06:23PM IF THE PUBLIC IS SAYING WE NEED TO CUT, THEN MAYBE WE
09:06:26PM DON'T DO BOOM BY THE BAY THIS YEAR.
09:06:28PM MAYBE WE DON'T DO THE RIVER OF GREEN.
09:06:30PM MAYBE JUST FOR ONE YEAR WE SAY, THIS IS THE KINDS OF
09:06:32PM STUFF WE'RE CUTTING AND I KNOW THERE ARE THINGS THAT
09:06:35PM EVERYBODY ENJOYS.
09:06:36PM BUT EVERYBODY ALSO THEN HAS TO PARTICIPATE IN SOME OF
09:06:40PM THE ROLLBACKS.
09:06:41PM SO THAT'S JUST MY POSSIBLE SUGGESTION.
09:06:46PM >> SHOULD I OFFER SOME FRAMEWORK ON THAT TO SUPPORT YOU?
09:06:48PM SO THERE IS REALLY -- EVERY MONTH WE HAVE A SPECIAL
09:06:52PM EVENTS MEETING.
09:06:53PM AND IN LINE WITH THE CITY CODE.
09:06:54PM AND THEN THERE IS JUST A -- TO BREAK IT DOWN, THERE IS
09:06:58PM THE CHARTER EVENTS THAT ARE FULLY SPONSORED.
09:07:00PM THEN THERE IS A LARGER GROUP THAT COULD BE SOFT OR HARD
09:07:03PM COSTS AND EVENTS THAT WE'D PERMIT THROUGH COUNCIL THAT
09:07:07PM THEY'RE PAYING THE WHOLE WAY.
09:07:08PM COULD BE A RUN OR FUNDRAISER.
09:07:10PM SO THIS IS THE LARGER BUCKETS AND WE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN,
09:07:13PM COMING OUT OF COVID, WE TALKED ABOUT SPECIAL EVENT
09:07:15PM REFORM, UPDATING THE CODE, GOING THROUGH THERE.
09:07:18PM BUT MORE JUDICIOUSLY OR MAYBE WITH MORE FIDUCIARY
09:07:22PM RESPONSIBILITY, WE HAVE BEEN MAKING THE TOUGH CALLS ON
09:07:24PM EVENTS AND SAYING, IF THERE IS A HARD COST, YOU'VE GOT
09:07:27PM TO PICK IT UP.
09:07:28PM WE MAY BE ABLE TO PICK UP SOMETHING THAT REALLY DOESN'T
09:07:31PM PUT A BURDEN ON THE TAX DOLLARS OF THE CITY OR PEOPLE
09:07:34PM THAT ARE NOT GOING TO THE EVENT.
09:07:35PM BUT IF THERE IS HARD COSTS, WE HAVE BEEN MOVING THAT WAY
09:07:38PM BUT THERE IS MORE ROOM TO GO.
09:07:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT AND I'M THINKING SOFT COSTS AS WELL.
09:07:43PM SOFT COST IS IF I'M CORRECT, LIKE IN-KIND PERSONNEL.
09:07:48PM >> OR IF IT'S NOT SO MUCH A FEE BUT IF THERE IS
09:07:51PM SOMETHING THAT COULD BE NEGOTIATED.
09:07:55PM A LOT OF THIS IS HISTORICAL BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE BEEN
09:07:58PM TRYING TO DO AT THE EVENTS IS CREATE LIKE ANYTHING ELSE,
09:08:01PM EVEN WITH THE SOCIAL ACTION AND ARTS FUND, IS MAYBE YOU
09:08:04PM GET 100% AS A START-UP AND THEN 75 THEN 50 THEN -- SO
09:08:08PM WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT A LITTLE MORE SYSTEMATIC TO YOUR
09:08:10PM POINT.
09:08:11PM SO PEOPLE CAN GROW OUT OF THEIR EVENTS.
09:08:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
09:08:15PM BECAUSE I'M ALSO THINKING ABOUT OVERTIME IN THAT.
09:08:18PM SO AGAIN, FOR A YEAR, NOT SAYING CANCEL THINGS FOREVER.
09:08:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:08:25PM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, FINAL COMMENTS THEN WE'LL GO TO
09:08:28PM THE BOARD.
09:08:29PM >>BILL CARLSON: TWO THINGS.
09:08:29PM ONE, JUST FOLLOWING ON THE EVENTS THING.
09:08:32PM I THINK THAT A MAYOR DESERVES TO HAVE HIS OR HER
09:08:37PM SIGNATURE EVENT SO BOOM BY THE BAY IS THIS -- ONE OF
09:08:40PM THIS MAYOR'S SIGNATURE EVENTS.
09:08:43PM I THINK WE SHOULD SUPPORT THAT TO WHATEVER EXTENT THE
09:08:45PM MAYOR SUGGESTS.
09:08:47PM GASPARILLA IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF TAMPA AND WE NEED TO
09:08:52PM SUPPORT THAT.
09:08:52PM BUT THERE ARE OTHER EVENTS -- COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK
09:08:57PM MENTIONED RIVER OF GREEN.
09:08:59PM THERE ARE OTHER EVENTS LIKE THAT THAT THEY'RE WAY PAST
09:09:02PM THE MULTIPLE YEAR INVESTMENT.
09:09:04PM THEY SHOULD BE 100% PRIVATE FUNDED.
09:09:07PM AND THERE MAY BE OTHER EXAMPLES OF THAT.
09:09:09PM BUT INCLUDING -- SHE TALKED ABOUT OVERTIME AND
09:09:14PM EVERYTHING, THEY NEED TO PAY FOR GARBAGE AND POLICE AND
09:09:16PM EVERYTHING.
09:09:17PM THOSE EVENTS THAT ARE MATURE NEED TO DO THAT.
09:09:19PM THERE IS A LOT OF PRIVATE SECTOR MONEY OUT THERE.
09:09:22PM THE OTHER THING THOUGH JUST TO TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET AND
09:09:25PM I'M GLAD COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN CAME BACK, MY
09:09:27PM UNDERSTANDING, CFO CAN CORRECT ME, IF WE ADD UP THOSE
09:09:33PM THINGS THAT GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THEY'VE GOT TO ADD UP
09:09:36PM TO 45 MILLION JUST FOR US TO BREAK EVEN AT -- TO HAVE A
09:09:40PM BALANCED BUDGET.
09:09:41PM IF WE CUT MORE THAN 45 MILLION, THAT'S -- THEN WE CAN
09:09:45PM START LOOKING AT SPENDING MORE.
09:09:46PM BUT UNLESS IT ADDS UP TO 45 MILLION, WE'RE NOT EVEN
09:09:50PM BROKEN EVEN YET.
09:09:50PM THEN IF IT'S 15 MILLION THEN WE HAVE 5 MILLION WE CAN
09:09:56PM PUT BACK IN.
09:09:57PM UNLESS WE CUT MORE THAN 45 WE CAN'T PUT ANYTHING ELSE
09:09:59PM BACK IN.
09:10:00PM >> IF WE -- AGAIN, IT'S ON THE BOARD.
09:10:03PM WE TAKE 45 MILLION OFF THAT WAS BUDGETED AS A LUMP SUM
09:10:07PM AND THEN WE CAN START ADDING IN WHAT WE FEEL OUR
09:10:11PM PRIORITIES ARE FROM THAT.
09:10:12PM BUT 45 MILLION PLUS ALL THESE OTHER CUTS, WHATEVER WE
09:10:15PM CAN GET TO, AND THEN WE CAN START ADDING EVERYTHING BACK
09:10:19PM IN.
09:10:20PM >>BILL CARLSON: IF WE CUT MORE THAN 45 --
09:10:22PM >> 45 MILLION PLUS THE ADD -- SO 45 MILLION RIGHT OFF
09:10:26PM THE TOP.
09:10:27PM WE'RE STARTING TO GET TO A BUILDING FOUNDATION TO START
09:10:31PM BUILDING BACK UP FROM.
09:10:32PM SO SOME OF THAT STUFF THAT'S IN THE $45 MILLION I'M SURE
09:10:35PM WE'RE GOING TO ADD BACK IN.
09:10:37PM TO GET TO THAT FOUNDATION, LET'S MAKE AN ASSUMPTION THAT
09:10:40PM WE SLICE THAT RIGHT OFF THE TOP TO GET TO A NET -- THAT
09:10:45PM IS A NET BUDGET OF ZERO.
09:10:46PM THAT'S A BALANCED BUDGET.
09:10:48PM THEN WE START LOOKING AT THE OTHER CUTS WHICH WILL GET
09:10:51PM US ACTUALLY POSITIVE REVENUE.
09:10:54PM AND THEN WE GO TO OUR SPENDING PRIORITIES BASED ON THAT
09:10:58PM REVENUE THAT WE -- WHATEVER WE COME TO.
09:11:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I THINK THAT IS TOTALLY INCORRECT.
09:11:04PM MAYBE I'M WRONG.
09:11:05PM BUT $45 MILLION EQUALS WHAT THAT MILLAGE INCREASE WOULD
09:11:11PM HAVE GIVEN US.
09:11:12PM >> WHICH GETS US TO A BALANCED NET ZERO BUDGET.
09:11:17PM SO WE GET TO -- NOW IF WE TAKE THAT ASSUMPTION OFF THE
09:11:21PM TOP.
09:11:21PM $45 MILLION OFF THE TOP.
09:11:23PM WE ARE NOW -- HONESTLY IF WE WANTED TO GIVE UP
09:11:27PM EVERYTHING IN THAT, WE COULD GO, WE'RE DONE.
09:11:30PM BUT WE --
09:11:31PM >> THERE IS NOTHING IN IT.
09:11:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I UNDERSTAND.
09:11:34PM BUT YES -- THERE IS AND THERE'S NOT.
09:11:37PM THE TARGETED BUDGET PRIORITIES TO GET TO THAT FIGURE,
09:11:40PM THEY SAID THEY'D ALLOCATE VERSUS THE FIRE AND ALL THAT
09:11:43PM OTHER STUFF.
09:11:43PM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU CAN ALLOCATE IT TO WHATEVER YOU
09:11:46PM WANT.
09:11:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU ARE CORRECT.
09:11:47PM I'M SAYING LET'S SAY RIGHT OFF THE TOP WE'RE CUTTING $45
09:11:50PM MILLION.
09:11:51PM THE EASY WAY TO DO THAT IS TO SAY WE'RE SLICING
09:11:54PM EVERYTHING THAT WAS IN THERE.
09:11:56PM AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO BUILD BACK IN.
09:11:58PM >>BILL CARLSON: I'M NOT AGREEING TO THAT.
09:11:59PM WE NEED TO FIND 45 MILLION -- IT WAS -- IF YOU LOOK --
09:12:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.
09:12:06PM >>BILL CARLSON: THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF TONIGHT.
09:12:08PM MAYBE IT'S A BAD ANALOGY BUT IF YOU TAKE A BUCKET OF
09:12:11PM WATER AND POUR IT INTO THE LAKE, YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE
09:12:13PM THE WATER IS ANYMORE.
09:12:15PM YOU PULL OUT A DIFFERENT BUCKET.
09:12:17PM WE HAD $28 MILLION IN SALARY INCREASES.
09:12:19PM YOU CAN -- YOU CAN SAY ARBITRARILY THAT THE INCREASE WAS
09:12:23PM RELATED TO THOSE THINGS.
09:12:24PM BUT THOSE 5 THINGS WERE ALREADY IN THE BUDGET LAST YEAR.
09:12:27PM THE BIG INCREASE FROM LAST YEAR IS THE SALARY INCREASE.
09:12:30PM WE CAN'T CUT THE SALARIES.
09:12:32PM INSTEAD WE CAN'T CUT THE FIVE THINGS AND SALARIES AS
09:12:35PM MUCH AS WE THOUGHT.
09:12:35PM WE HAVE TO FIND $45 MILLION SOMEWHERE ELSE.
09:12:38PM IF WE FIND MORE THAN 45 MILLION WE CAN TALK ABOUT THINGS
09:12:40PM TO PUT BACK IN.
09:12:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AGAIN, COUNCILMAN CARLSON,
09:12:44PM IF -- YOU'RE RIGHT.
09:12:45PM IT'S $45 MILLION OF A BUCKET IN A LAKE.
09:12:48PM MAYBE THROW OUT THE IDEA OF HOW IT WAS ALLOCATED.
09:12:52PM 45 MILLION GETS US TO A BALANCED BUDGET.
09:12:56PM LET'S SAY RIGHT OFF THE TOP WE'RE CUTTING $45 MILLION TO
09:13:00PM GET TO THAT.
09:13:01PM IN ADDITION TO THAT $45 MILLION WE'RE GOING TO CUT WE'RE
09:13:04PM GOING TO FIND MONEY THEORETICALLY, MONEY IN THE RESERVES
09:13:07PM AND MONEY IN DECREASING PAY RAISES.
09:13:10PM WE'LL FIND MONEY IN -- LISA, TURN OVER THE THING.
09:13:15PM THE PAGE.
09:13:16PM >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T THINK WE'RE AT 45 MILLION YET
09:13:19PM WITHOUT CUTTING THOSE FIVE THINGS.
09:13:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE'RE NOT.
09:13:22PM THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
09:13:23PM I'M SAYING IF WE START WITH 45 MILLION, THEN WE ADD THE
09:13:25PM SAVINGS, THE MILL -- THE RESERVES.
09:13:31PM WE ADD THE MONEY WE'LL SHIFT FROM PARKING.
09:13:33PM WE ADD ALL THESE THINGS.
09:13:35PM NOW LET'S SAY WE HAVE FOUND $15 MILLION.
09:13:41PM NOW WE HAVE $15 MILLION TO GO BACK AND REVISIT POLICE
09:13:46PM AND FIRE, HOUSING, PARKS, TRANSPORTATION OR WHATEVER
09:13:50PM PRIORITY IS HERE ON THE DAIS.
09:13:54PM SO THAT IS -- THAT'S HOW WE CAN COME BACK AND FIND WHAT
09:13:57PM OUR PRIORITIES ARE WITH WHAT THE EXCESS -- WHAT WE FIND
09:14:03PM HERE ON TOP OF THAT INITIAL CUT.
09:14:05PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS -- I
09:14:06PM UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW.
09:14:07PM BUT THAT ASSUMES ZEROING OUT THOSE 5 THINGS.
09:14:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEN ADD IT BACK IN.
09:14:15PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE OTHER WAY IS FORGET THOSE FIVE
09:14:17PM THINGS.
09:14:18PM AND JUST TRY TO FIND 45 MILLION IN CUTS SOMEWHERE ELSE.
09:14:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEN WE'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 3:00 AND
09:14:25PM IT'S WHAT, ALMOST 10:00 AND WE HAVEN'T -- WE HAVEN'T
09:14:28PM DONE ANY OF THAT.
09:14:30PM >>BILL CARLSON: WE PROBABLY GOT HALF OF IT.
09:14:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO.
09:14:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS, LISA IS
09:14:34PM GOING TO BEGIN FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE FIRST PAGE OF
09:14:37PM WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN.
09:14:38PM AND I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A SHOW OF HANDS OF WHAT COUNCIL
09:14:43PM SUPPORTS MAKING IT TO THE NEXT --
09:14:46PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT'S LIKE VOTING.
09:14:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT'S UNOFFICIAL.
09:14:49PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHAT IF IT DOESN'T MAKE IT?
09:14:51PM THEN THAT'S A VOTE.
09:14:54PM >> I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GO TO BUDGET PRIORITIES
09:14:57PM NEXT.
09:14:57PM WE NEED TO GIVE THE ADMINISTRATION BUDGET PRIORITIES.
09:15:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED THAT.
09:15:05PM >> COUNCIL, IF I CAN --
09:15:09PM >> WE'RE GOING TO DO THE CUTS FIRST.
09:15:12PM I HAVEN'T PUT ANY BUDGET PRIORITIES UP THERE.
09:15:14PM ONLY CUTS.
09:15:15PM >> IF WE CAN -- I'M HEARING NOISE IN THE AUDIENCE AND I
09:15:17PM CAN'T DETERMINE WHAT IS BEING SAID BY COUNCIL AND I
09:15:20PM DON'T THINK THE PEOPLE AT HOME CAN EITHER.
09:15:21PM SO I'M GOING TO ASK IF YOU CAN JUST -- IF THE PEOPLE IN
09:15:25PM THE AUDIENCE CAN JUST PLEASE BE QUIET AND IF WE CAN
09:15:28PM JUST -- MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST DIRECT -- RECOGNIZE WHOEVER
09:15:30PM IS GOING TO SPEAK.
09:15:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WHAT ARE YOUR
09:15:36PM BUDGET PRIORITIES?
09:15:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT WE HAVE WITHOUT
09:15:39PM TAKING A VOTE AND ADDING THE NUMBERS THERE AND THEN WE
09:15:42PM GO BACK AND -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT FIGURE WE HAVE THERE.
09:15:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE SHOULD TAKE A STRAW POLL ON --
09:15:49PM >> IT'S NOT A STRAW POLL.
09:15:50PM HERE IS MY QUESTION, COUNCIL, FOR YOU.
09:15:53PM BECAUSE THIS IS OUTSIDE OF THE OFFICIAL BUDGET HEARING
09:15:58PM PROCESS.
09:15:58PM THIS IS A WORKSHOP TONIGHT.
09:16:01PM AND THERE IS NO VOTE.
09:16:02PM THERE IS NO MOTION.
09:16:03PM SO WHAT YOU IN EFFECT ARE DOING IS COMING TO A CONSENSUS
09:16:09PM AS TO WHAT THEN MOVES FORWARD IN SOME FORM OR FASHION
09:16:12PM WITH THE COOPERATION IF THE ADMINISTRATION SO CHOOSES TO
09:16:19PM BRING BACK SOMETHING ON THE 19th AND IF THEY DO, THEN IT
09:16:22PM MAKES YOUR JOB EASIER ON THE 19th.
09:16:24PM IF YOU DON'T, YOU STILL HAVE IT 19th TO DO IT.
09:16:27PM WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS NOT BINDING THIS COUNCIL DOING IT.
09:16:31PM YOU ARE NOT VOTING AS TO THE WAY YOU ULTIMATELY WILL
09:16:36PM VOTE.
09:16:36PM WHAT YOU ARE COMMITTING TO DO IS TO MOVE IT FORWARD TO
09:16:39PM RETURN ON THE 19th, BUT NO, NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE
09:16:44PM YOU'RE NOT BEING BOUND TO IT.
09:16:46PM AND COUNCIL CAN GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT MAY OR
09:16:49PM MAY NOT CHANGE ITS MIND.
09:16:50PM IT REALLY IS NOT BINDING ANY WAY.
09:16:52PM JUST FORMING A CONSENSUS AND --
09:16:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE MY HAND UP, SIR.
09:16:59PM THANK YOU.
09:17:00PM NOTHING OFFICIAL.
09:17:00PM YOU NEED GUIDANCE OF WHAT TO DO TO COME BACK WITH ON
09:17:03PM TUESDAY.
09:17:03PM AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
09:17:06PM >> WHY CAN'T WE GIVE THEM THE ENTIRE LIST?
09:17:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CHIEF OF STAFF, YES, SIR.
09:17:12PM >> SO IN TRYING TO SUPPORT COUNCIL, OBVIOUSLY THROUGH
09:17:14PM ALL OF THIS AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE ALL HERE, I THINK
09:17:19PM COUNCIL HAS DONE AN AMAZING JOB BRINGING UP THE INITIAL
09:17:21PM PRIORITIES.
09:17:22PM WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US TO HELP YOU FURTHER IS THAT
09:17:25PM IF THERE IS A GENERAL CONSENSUS, AND I LIKE TO THINK OF
09:17:31PM IT AS A THREE-LAYER CAKE.
09:17:33PM YOU HAVE THE MILL LAYER.
09:17:35PM YOU HAD THE INCREASE LAYER WHICH IS WHAT COUNCILWOMAN
09:17:40PM HURTAK TALKED ABOUT AND THEN WHAT IS ARGUED AS JUST THE
09:17:43PM STATUS QUO BUDGET WITHOUT THE INCREASES AND WITHOUT THE
09:17:45PM MILL.
09:17:46PM AND SO THERE IS SERVICES THROUGH ALL OF THOSE BUT YOU
09:17:49PM HAVE TO GET A BALANCED BUDGET.
09:17:51PM IF WE CAN GET 80% ON THE HIGHEST PRIORITIES, THEN WE'RE
09:17:56PM WILLING TO GO BACK -- THAT'S WHAT WE NEEDED ALL ALONG
09:17:59PM WAS THE PRIORITIES.
09:18:00PM ONCE WE KNOW COUNCIL'S PRIORITIES, WE CAN START DOING
09:18:03PM THE SMOOTHING AND GET YOU CLOSE TO WHERE YOU WANT TO BE
09:18:06PM FOR TUESDAY NIGHT.
09:18:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
09:18:10PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:18:13PM EVEN A STRAW POLL IS STILL VOTING.
09:18:14PM AND I FEEL THAT EVERYTHING THAT WENT ON THE LIST IS WHAT
09:18:19PM SHOULD GO TO STAFF.
09:18:21PM SO WE'RE NOT ELIMINATING ANYONE'S INPUT FROM COUNCIL.
09:18:25PM LET THEM WORK WITH THE ENTIRE THING WE ALREADY PROVIDED.
09:18:28PM AND COME BACK WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON ALL OF
09:18:33PM OUR FEEDBACK WITH ANYONE -- WITHOUT ANYONE'S IDEAS BEING
09:18:39PM ELIMINATED.
09:18:40PM EVEN THE ONES THAT I DON'T LIKE.
09:18:41PM I THINK THEY SHOULD GET ALL OF THEM -- AND THAT'S JUST
09:18:44PM MY RECOMMENDATION.
09:18:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE IS SOME THINGS THAT I DON'T
09:18:47PM AGREE WITH.
09:18:48PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: AND I DON'T AGREE WITH SO WE'LL BE UP
09:18:50PM HERE GOING BACK AND FORTH TO MAKE THE FINAL LIST.
09:18:53PM LET'S GIVE IT ALL TO THEM IS MY RECOMMENDATION, SIR,
09:18:56PM PLEASE, SO WE CAN GO HOME.
09:18:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK?
09:19:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
09:19:01PM I'M GOING TO TAKE THIS AND RUN WITH IT FOR --
09:19:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT.
09:19:06PM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN WAS WAITING.
09:19:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'LL HAVE MY HAND UP NEXT.
09:19:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YAY, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.
09:19:13PM WE'LL BE OUT BY 3:00 A.M.
09:19:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE SHOULD START ON THE OTHER ONE THOUGH.
09:19:17PM THE NEW ONE.
09:19:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NEW BIG PAPER, LISA.
09:19:21PM ON THIS --
09:19:25PM >> COUNCILMAN MIRANDA IS LOOKING AT SOMETHING FIRST.
09:19:29PM >> WE'LL SEE WHAT IT IS.
09:19:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THESE ARE SUBTRACTIONS.
09:19:41PM NOW WE'LL HIGHLIGHT WHAT WE SEE AS PRIORITIES IN -- LIKE
09:19:45PM WHAT CAN'T WE LIVE WITHOUT.
09:19:48PM AS INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL PERSONS KNOWING WE'RE ONE OF SEVEN
09:19:51PM PLUS ADMINISTRATION.
09:19:53PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ALL MY RECOMMENDATIONS NEED TO GO ON
09:19:55PM THAT SIDE.
09:19:55PM SO WHY ARE WE DOING THAT?
09:19:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BUDGET PRIORITIES.
09:20:01PM I DON'T HAVE A DOLLAR FIGURE YET SO I DEFER TO THE IOU I
09:20:04PM WAS GIVEN FOR 24 HOURS FROM NOW.
09:20:06PM ON THE RECONSTRUCTION OF TWO FIRE STATIONS, AND THE
09:20:10PM REHABILITATION OF ONE FIRE STATION --
09:20:14PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. SHELBY, IF I --
09:20:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'LL GO WITH THE DARKER COLOR OF
09:20:21PM THE MARKER.
09:20:22PM IS RED OKAY?
09:20:23PM CAN I GET A CONSENSUS FROM COUNCIL?
09:20:25PM GO AHEAD.
09:20:27PM >> I'M SORRY.
09:20:28PM WHAT SHADE OF RED?
09:20:30PM >> DO A TEST.
09:20:31PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ARE YOU RENAMING THE THINGS YOU NAMED
09:20:33PM EARLIER?
09:20:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS IS PRIORITIES NOT CAPTURED ON THE
09:20:36PM BIG PAPER.
09:20:38PM OKAY.
09:20:39PM TOMORROW THE ADMINISTRATION IS GOING TO HAVE A DOLLAR
09:20:41PM FIGURE FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION OF TWO FIRE STATIONS AND
09:20:44PM THE REHABILITATION OF A THIRD STATION.
09:20:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PUT FIRE STATION RECONSTRUCTION AND
09:20:51PM REHABILITATION.
09:20:52PM THEY ALREADY KNOW.
09:20:53PM >> CAN YOU GIVE THE NUMBERS JUST FOR CLARIFICATION?
09:20:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: 9, 6 AND 10.
09:21:05PM THINGS I CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT.
09:21:07PM $5.2 MILLION FOR HOMELESS AND VULNERABLE POPULATION.
09:21:16PM $5.2 MILLION FOR HOMELESS AND VULNERABLE -- THIS IS A
09:21:19PM SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY OF LIVING IN SOCIETY IS WE HAVE TO
09:21:23PM HELP THE MOST -- THE WEAKEST PART OF OUR SOCIETY AND
09:21:26PM THIS IS THE MOST VULNERABLE PART OF OUR POPULATION.
09:21:29PM AND I THINK IT'S SOME PLACE WE HAVE TO INVEST IN.
09:21:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I AGREE.
09:21:32PM >> LISA -- IT'S PLUS TEN TOO.
09:21:36PM NINE, SIX, AND TEN.
09:21:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: $1.9 MILLION FOR MATCHING FUNDS TO
09:21:40PM HIRE THE POLICE OFFICERS.
09:21:44PM $1.9 MILLION FOR MATCHING FUNDS TO HIRE THE POLICE
09:21:47PM OFFICERS.
09:21:50PM AND I DON'T HAVE THE CUMULATIVE DOLLAR FIGURE BUT I WANT
09:21:56PM TO -- I THINK OUR YOUTH IS OUR FUTURE, AND THEY'RE THE
09:22:00PM MOST, AGAIN, PART OF THE MOST VULNERABLE POPULATION.
09:22:04PM I BELIEVE THE ADDITION OF THE POLICE ATHLETIC LEAGUE IS
09:22:07PM IMPORTANT AND SOMETHING FOR BUILDING BETTER ADULTS SO I
09:22:10PM WANT TO MAKE SURE WE RESERVE THE FUNDING FOR THE POLICE
09:22:14PM ATHLETIC LEAGUE.
09:22:17PM P-A-L.
09:22:18PM JUST PUT P-A-L.
09:22:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW MUCH IS P.A.L.?
09:22:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT'S A LOT.
09:22:24PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: IT'S FOR THE KIDS.
09:22:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FOR THE KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
09:22:27PM MULTIPLE ITEMS.
09:22:29PM AND THIS IS -- IT'S GOING TO MAKE ME LOOK LIKE A
09:22:31PM HYPOCRITE BECAUSE I RAN FOR OFFICE SAYING I WAS GOING TO
09:22:33PM PAVE YOUR ROADS.
09:22:34PM BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, NOW WE'RE BACK AGAIN AND PRIORITIZING
09:22:37PM NEEDS AND EVEN THOUGH THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS GREAT NEEDS
09:22:40PM AND ROAD PAVEMENT, THE MONEY AIN'T THERE, Y'ALL.
09:22:43PM WITH THE BUDGET WE'RE DEALING WITH, IT'S NOT THERE.
09:22:45PM SO I'M NOT GOING TO PUT THAT ON MY PRIORITY LIST
09:22:48PM ALTHOUGH IN MY HEART AND SOUL I BELIEVE OUR ROADS AND
09:22:51PM SIDEWALKS ARE PRIORITIES.
09:22:53PM I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT.
09:22:55PM I'M GOING TO LEAVE MY LIST THERE AND LET OTHER PEOPLE
09:22:58PM ADD TO IT.
09:23:00PM KNOWING THIS HURTS.
09:23:01PM IT HURTS BAD.
09:23:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. DEMAYO, I SEE YOU IN THE
09:23:06PM AUDIENCE.
09:23:07PM COLUMBUS, HOWARD, AND ARMENIA, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, IS
09:23:10PM IN THE COUNTY BUDGET.
09:23:11PM IT'S NOT US.
09:23:12PM THAT WAS -- SO COUNCILWOMAN --
09:23:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE'LL DIG UP YOUR ROAD.
09:23:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, VIERA, MIRANDA,
09:23:21PM HENDERSON.
09:23:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
09:23:26PM I WANT -- I KNOW WE KIND OF TALK -- WE'RE NOT QUITE
09:23:30PM ADDING ANYTHING YET BECAUSE UNDER P.A.L., FROM MY
09:23:33PM UNDERSTANDING, WE WERE DOING A GRADUAL MOVEMENT FROM
09:23:37PM PARKS TO POLICE.
09:23:40PM SO I WANT TO HAVE P.A.L. IN PARENTHESES, PARKS AND REC
09:23:45PM TO MAKE SURE WE ARE -- BECAUSE SOME OF THAT WE'RE JUST
09:23:48PM NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THIS YEAR.
09:23:50PM WE WON'T BE ABLE TO REDO AN ENTIRE BUILDING.
09:23:54PM A LOT OF THAT IS SALARIES AND THOSE SALARIES ARE COMING
09:23:57PM FROM PARKS AND REC.
09:23:58PM SO IT'S REALLY JUST A MOVEMENT OF MONEY INSTEAD OF
09:24:05PM RE-APPROPRIATION.
09:24:06PM JUST PUT P.A.L./PARKS AND REC.
09:24:09PM FROM MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN WE APPROVED IT, THEY'RE
09:24:13PM MOVING A BUNCH OF THINGS FROM PARKS AND REC.
09:24:15PM I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT -- SOME OF THAT WE MAY HAVE TO
09:24:17PM PAUSE ON.
09:24:18PM WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO REDO THE ENTIRE BUILDING THIS
09:24:21PM YEAR.
09:24:21PM BUT THE BUILDING IS FINE.
09:24:22PM IT CAN BE SOMETHING WE DO IN THE FUTURE.
09:24:30PM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN MENTIONED RECONSTRUCTION AND
09:24:33PM REHABILITATION OF FIRE STATION.
09:24:34PM I SIMPLY WANT FROM THE ADMINISTRATION AS MUCH AS
09:24:39PM I'M -- WOULD LOVE TO PAY FOR THIS IN CASH, I JUST WANT
09:24:42PM FROM THE ADMINISTRATION THE COST TO -- THAT IT WOULD
09:24:45PM TAKE TO BOND IT SO WE CAN GET THAT STARTED THIS YEAR.
09:24:49PM SO FIRE STATION 24 BOND IS WHAT YOU CAN PUT.
09:24:53PM TFR 24 BOND IF YOU WANT TO SHORTEN IT.
09:25:02PM AND I GREATLY UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT THAT THE PARKING
09:25:09PM DIVISION BELIEVES STRONGLY THAT THEY INCREASE THE FEES
09:25:12PM BECAUSE THEY WANTED IT TO GO TOWARDS SOMETHING, BUT I DO
09:25:15PM NOT BELIEVE THAT WE ARE GOING TO HURT OUR TRUST WITH THE
09:25:24PM PUBLIC WHEN WE SAY, HEY, YES, ABSOLUTELY.
09:25:28PM THE 6.5 MILLION OR THEREABOUTS THAT YOU NEED FOR
09:25:32PM STRUCTURAL IMPROVEMENTS, 100%.
09:25:34PM LET'S NOT TOUCH THAT.
09:25:36PM BUT THE BEAUTIFICATION OF THE OUTSIDE.
09:25:37PM LET'S TAKE THAT MONEY AND MAYBE PAVE THINGS OR ADD A FEW
09:25:41PM SIDEWALKS THIS YEAR.
09:25:41PM I THINK THE PUBLIC WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SEE THAT.
09:25:44PM SO I WANT YOU TO ADD PARKING/PAVING/SIDEWALKS.
09:25:53PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, DO YOU MIND IF I
09:25:55PM MAKE ONE-SENTENCE STATEMENT TO USE THE RESTROOM?
09:25:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, YEAH.
09:25:59PM GO AHEAD.
09:26:00PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN MENTIONED THE 5.2
09:26:04PM MILLION FOR HOUSING.
09:26:05PM THERE IS ANOTHER LISTED.
09:26:07PM 1.8.
09:26:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M GETTING THERE.
09:26:10PM I PROMISE I'LL GET TO THAT.
09:26:12PM THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY LAST BUT NOT LEAST.
09:26:15PM AND THEN -- FOR THIS, I WANTED TO HAVE MS. TRAVIS COME
09:26:22PM UP BECAUSE I WOULD JUST WANT TO -- YEAH.
09:26:24PM JUST WANT TO TALK TO YOU AND GET THIS CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD
09:26:30PM BY THE PUBLIC THAT THIS $5.2 MILLION FOR HOMELESS AND
09:26:35PM THIS ONE -- TOO MANY PAPERS.
09:26:41PM TOO MANY PAPERS.
09:26:43PM SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS -- IT WAS A $5.2 MILLION FOR
09:26:48PM HOMELESS AND VULNERABLE, BUT WE ALSO HAD QUITE A FEW
09:26:51PM OTHER THINGS IN HERE INCLUDING A HOUSING PROGRAM BUDGET
09:26:55PM OF 1.88 MILLION.
09:26:58PM IS THAT MONEY ENOUGH?
09:27:05PM WHAT ELSE DO WE NEED TO -- I KNOW WE NEED 9.1 MILLION.
09:27:11PM WE NEED THAT.
09:27:12PM I GET IT.
09:27:13PM BUT WHAT I'M ASKING IS TO BOND, TO BUY THOSE HOTELS, TO
09:27:19PM FOCUS ON THIS HOMELESS ISSUE, CAN WE SOMEHOW WORK ON
09:27:24PM THAT 5.2 MILLION FOR THE HOMELESS AND VULNERABLE,
09:27:28PM INCLUDE IT IN THAT 1.8 AND BOND TO BUY THESE HOTELS THAT
09:27:33PM WOULD BE KIND OF A TWO BIRDS ONE STONE THING.
09:27:37PM I JUST WANTED YOU TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
09:27:39PM BECAUSE I'M -- NOT THE EXPERT.
09:27:41PM >> SURE.
09:27:41PM OKAY.
09:27:41PM GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
09:27:42PM NICOLE TRAVIS, ADMINISTRATIVE DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC
09:27:45PM OPPORTUNITY.
09:27:46PM SO THE 5 -- I THINK ON THE LIST IT'S LISTED AS 5.2
09:27:53PM OR --
09:27:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
09:27:54PM 5.2.
09:27:55PM >> 5.2 -- SO THE PROGRAMS WE HAVE IN PLACE ALREADY, YOU
09:27:59PM GUYS ALREADY KNOW BECAUSE YOU SENT PEOPLE TO OUR OFFICE
09:28:02PM THAT WE -- MONEY MANY YEARS.
09:28:05PM SO WE'D ESSENTIALLY DOUBLE THE PROGRAMMING WE DO.
09:28:08PM THAT'S OWNER-OCCUPIED REHAB, DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE,
09:28:14PM RMAP, AND THE INFILL HOUSING PROGRAM.
09:28:16PM SO WE ESSENTIALLY DOUBLE THE PEOPLE THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO
09:28:19PM HELP WITH THAT $5.2 MILLION.
09:28:21PM AND SO THE OTHER LINE ITEM OF PROGRAMMING BUDGET THAT'S
09:28:26PM $1.8 MILLION, THAT $1.8 MILLION IS A DEBT SERVICE, AND
09:28:32PM SO WHEN WE PRESENTED -- WHEN THE MAYOR PRESENTED
09:28:35PM HER BUDGET WITH THE ONE MILL, IT ALSO SHOWED THAT WE
09:28:41PM COULD LEVERAGE THE MONEY, THE $9.1 MILLION TO GET 134.
09:28:45PM THE $1.8 MILLION IS DEBT SERVICE COVERAGE FOR $50
09:28:49PM MILLION.
09:28:50PM AND SO THAT $1.8 MILLION, IT DOESN'T GET US THE 134 BUT
09:28:55PM THAT'S -- THAT'S WHAT YOU'D PAY ON THE DEBT FOR $50
09:28:59PM MILLION.
09:29:00PM SO THAT 1.8 WOULD GET US 50 MILLION.
09:29:03PM SO TO YOUR POINT, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO DO -- ACQUISITION
09:29:07PM FOR THOSE TEMPORARY HOUSING?
09:29:10PM YES, WITH THE $1.8 MILLION.
09:29:14PM THAT'S DEBT SERVICE.
09:29:15PM THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.
09:29:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT AGAIN, THAT'S THE PRIORITY OF THIS
09:29:18PM COUNCIL, IS THOSE FIRE STATIONS FROM -- AGAIN, JUST
09:29:22PM LIKE -- AND HOUSING.
09:29:23PM WE HEARD IT FROM THE PUBLIC.
9:29:24PM I WANT THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE 1.88 MILLION CAN GO
9:29:25PM TOWARD GETTING, AND WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY NEED ALL THAT 50
9:29:28PM MILLION, BUT IF WE DO, WE CAN DO IT.
9:29:32PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: RIGHT.
9:29:34PM MR. PERRY IS THE EXPERT ON THIS.
9:29:35PM IT'S JUST LIKE IF YOU DID A HOME EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT ON
9:29:38PM YOUR HOUSE.
9:29:40PM YOU TAKE DOWN WHAT YOU NEED AT A TIME, SO YOUR PAYMENTS ARE
9:29:44PM RELATIVE TO HOW MUCH YOU NEED AT THE TIME.
9:29:47PM BUT THIS WOULD ESSENTIALLY COVER AS WE ACQUIRE UP TO $50
9:29:51PM MILLION, THE $1.8 MILLION WILL COVER THE DEBT SERVICE FOR
9:29:55PM THAT.
9:29:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT ACTUALLY MAKES ME FEEL SO MUCH BETTER
9:29:58PM BECAUSE MY STRESS WAS, IF WE BUY THESE PROPERTIES AND THEY
9:30:03PM ARE NOT HABITABLE, SO WE CAN DRAW DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE
9:30:06PM MONEY TO WORK ON HABITABILITY.
9:30:09PM SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.
9:30:10PM I JUST WANTED TO YOU COME AND SAY THAT.
9:30:12PM FOR ME, THE OTHER ABSOLUTE, LIKE, I WISH I COULD CIRCLE THIS
9:30:18PM IN RED IS THE 1.8 MILLION -- SORRY, 1.888 MILLION, 888 --
9:30:30PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: SOMEBODY IN THE AUDIENCE SAID TO ROUND IT
9:30:33PM UP TO 2.
9:30:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HEY, THAT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD FIND THAT
9:30:37PM EXTRA 200 -- OR 120,000.
9:30:41PM SO 1.888 MILLION, LISA, FOR HOUSING BONDING.
9:30:48PM WOULD THAT BE -- I MEAN, PEOPLE WILL UNDERSTAND THAT.
9:30:51PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: I THINK IF YOU PUT IN PARENTHESES THE $50
9:30:54PM MILLION FOR THE CLT, THAT WOULD --
9:30:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE COULD USE IT FOR CLT AS WELL.
9:31:00PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: YES.
9:31:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AWESOME.
9:31:03PM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
9:31:06PM >>NICOLE TRAVIS: I DRANK AN ENERGY DRINK.
9:31:10PM I'M GOOD NOW.
9:31:11PM THANK YOU.
9:31:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THOSE ARE MY PRIORITIES.
9:31:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:31:21PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
9:31:23PM APPRECIATE THAT.
9:31:23PM IT'S INTERESTING GOING HERE TODAY AND SEEING WHERE WE
9:31:32PM STARTED TWO MONTHS AGO OR SO ON THIS BUDGET WHEN 1.0 MILL
9:31:36PM WAS PROPOSED AND WHERE WE ARE AT TODAY.
9:31:38PM I THINK IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COMES FROM COUNCIL, IT'S
9:31:41PM TO START EARLY AND WORKING WITH CITY COUNCIL.
9:31:43PM I GAVE MY FEEDBACK TWO MONTHS AGO.
9:31:48PM AGAIN, WE'RE OVER HERE RIGHT NOW GOING THROUGH THIS NOT LAST
9:31:53PM MINUTE, BUT ALMOST LAST MINUTE BECAUSE CERTAIN THINGS THAT
9:31:58PM IN MY OPINION WERE COMMON SENSE WEREN'T FOLLOWED.
9:32:01PM WE'RE HERE FOR THAT REASON.
9:32:03PM THIS IS A GOOD PROCESS, BUT BEING HERE, IT'S NOT GOOD.
9:32:08PM IT'S NOT GOOD IN MY OPINION.
9:32:09PM MIND YOU, WE'RE DOING, I THINK EVERYBODY IS DOING A FINE
9:32:12PM JOB.
9:32:13PM IT'S JUST BEING HERE ISN'T THE BEST LAST MINUTE.
9:32:16PM A COUPLE OF THINGS, AND A LOT OF GOOD THINGS, SUPPORT ALL OF
9:32:21PM THEM, IN FACT.
9:32:21PM I THINK THEY ARE ALL GREAT.
9:32:23PM I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO -- AND THIS IS A BIT UNORTHODOX GOING
9:32:28PM THROUGH, HEY, WHAT DO YOU WANT AND PUTTING IT UP THERE, BUT
9:32:32PM I GUESS WE'RE THERE.
9:32:33PM DESIGN MONEY FOR DOWNTOWN FIRE, SOMETHING TO GET STARTED ON
9:32:37PM THAT IF THAT HASN'T GOTTEN UP THERE.
9:32:40PM BECAUSE I KNOW WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT, WE HAVE COMING BACK
9:32:42PM TO CITY COUNCIL IN OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, BONDING FOR FIRE
9:32:46PM STATIONS, BUT AT LEAST IF WE CAN GET SOMETHING STARTED FOR
9:32:52PM DOWNTOWN.
9:32:52PM AND THE BONDING ISSUE IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING.
9:32:55PM DISABILITY PARKS ACCESS.
9:32:57PM IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THINGS --
9:33:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BONDING FOR FIRE STATION DOWNTOWN.
9:33:02PM DISABILITY PARK ACCESS.
9:33:05PM >>LUIS VIERA: DISABILITY PARK ACCESS JUST TO MOVE FORWARD ON
9:33:08PM THAT ISSUE.
9:33:09PM LIKE I SAID BEFORE, AND I SAY IT AGAIN, I JUST SAY IT WITH
9:33:15PM VIGOR THAT ADA ACCOMMODATIONS ON PLAYGROUNDS SHOULDN'T BE
9:33:18PM CONTINGENT ON A TAX INCREASE.
9:33:21PM SORRY, THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.
9:33:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ADA ACCESSIBILITY PLAYGROUNDS.
9:33:29PM FOR PLAYGROUNDS.
9:33:30PM >>LUIS VIERA: YEAH, YEAH.
9:33:31PM FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAD SOMEBODY COME IN FOR SOUTH TAMPA, NEW
9:33:34PM TAMPA, BUT ESPECIALLY FOR AREAS NOT COVERED BY CRAs
9:33:38PM BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A PLAN FOR CRA AREAS, FOR DISABILITY
9:33:41PM ACCESSIBLE PARKS, LOOKING AT NEW TAMPA, NORTH TAMPA, SOUTH
9:33:45PM TAMPA, DIFFERENT AREAS THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT ARE
9:33:49PM SPECIFICALLY NOT COVERED BY CRAs AND WHATNOT.
9:33:52PM FOR FIRE STATION 24, AGAIN, OBVIOUSLY, BEEN WORKING ON THAT
9:33:58PM FOR A WHILE, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE BOND COMING BACK TO
9:34:00PM US IN OCTOBER/NOVEMBER, SO IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT,
9:34:04PM THAT'S TOTALLY FINE.
9:34:05PM OBVIOUSLY, THE POLICE CARS, SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT
9:34:08PM THAT WE CAN'T GIVE UP ON, AND THAT'S IT AT THIS TIME.
9:34:14PM A LOT OF OTHER STUFF HAS BEEN PUT UP THERE THAT I AGREE
9:34:17PM WITH.
9:34:18PM THANK YOU.
9:34:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:34:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M HERE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT TAKING THE
9:34:24PM PAVING OFF.
9:34:25PM IT'S GOING TO CAUSE IRREPARABLE HARM.
9:34:30PM THE WAY IT IS NOW, THE SECOND LAYER IS COMING UP.
9:34:34PM IT WILL COST YOU THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO
9:34:37PM TAKE THE WHOLE STREET OUT, PUT IT BACK AND THEN PUT THE
9:34:40PM ASPHALT OVER THE TOP.
9:34:41PM SO IT'S GOING TO BE AN ENORMOUS COST IF YOU LEAVE THAT ONE
9:34:45PM OUT.
9:34:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE'S NOTHING TO WRITE OTHER THAN TO
9:34:49PM TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE PAVING OF OUR ROADS, ROAD
9:34:53PM PAVING.
9:34:54PM I KNOW WE HAVE FOUR POINT SOME ODD MILLION DOLLARS ALREADY
9:34:59PM ALLOCATED TOWARDS IT.
9:35:00PM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, DO YOU HAVE ANY BUDGET PRIORITIES,
9:35:04PM SIR?
9:35:04PM YES, SIR, GO AHEAD.
9:35:08PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE PREMISE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN
9:35:14PM PRESENTED WAS THAT WE WOULD TAKE THE FIVE THINGS OUT THAT
9:35:19PM WERE IN THE BUDGET AND THESE OTHER THINGS ON THE LIST AND
9:35:22PM START OVER.
9:35:23PM I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE FIVE THINGS IN THE BUDGET AS
9:35:28PM PROPOSED AND CUT OTHER THINGS.
9:35:31PM CAN YOU PUT MAINTAIN BUDGET OF FIVE THINGS.
9:35:37PM THE MAYOR CALLS IT FOUR.
9:35:38PM I CALL IT FIVE BECAUSE I SEPARATE --
9:35:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MAINTAIN CORE BUDGET PRIORITIES.
9:35:45PM >>BILL CARLSON: AS I SAID LIKE TEN TIMES TONIGHT, I DON'T
9:35:50PM ASSIGN THOSE FIVE THINGS TO THE 45 MILLION OR THE NEW TAX.
9:35:54PM IT'S AN ARBITRARY THING WE CAN ASSIGN, WHATEVER.
9:35:57PM I WANT TO MAINTAIN THOSE THINGS AS PRESENTED BECAUSE THOSE
9:36:00PM ARE OUR PRIORITIES.
9:36:01PM THEY ARE THE MAYOR'S PRIORITIES.
9:36:03PM STAFF HAS GIVEN INPUT ON WHAT SHOULD BE SPENT THERE.
9:36:06PM OBVIOUSLY, WE NEED TO MOVE THE FIRE STATIONS FORWARD,
9:36:13PM ESPECIALLY STATION 24, BECAUSE WE PROMISED TO DO THAT.
9:36:16PM WE ALL THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN LAST YEAR.
9:36:19PM IF WE HAVE EXTRA MONEY, THOUGH, DO WE NEED TO PUT IN ROAD
9:36:26PM REPAIR?
9:36:26PM THIS IS NOT JUST A NICE THING TO HAVE.
9:36:29PM IT'S ESSENTIAL FOR OUR ECONOMY.
9:36:32PM EVERYBODY THINKS THAT ONLY THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ROADS
9:36:35PM FALLING APART BECAUSE EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ROADS FALLING
9:36:38PM APART.
9:36:39PM THE REASON IS THAT THE ROAD REPAIR BUDGET HASN'T BEEN
9:36:42PM INCREASED I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG, PROBABLY SINCE THE GREAT
9:36:45PM RECESSION.
9:36:45PM TALK ABOUT KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
9:36:48PM IT'S KICKED TO US AND THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE CAN FIX IT.
9:36:52PM WE CAN'T RAISE HOWEVER MANY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WE NEED TO
9:36:55PM FIX.
9:36:55PM THAT MONEY IS NOT AVAILABLE.
9:36:57PM ALL WE CAN DO IS FIX THE SMALL PARTS THAT WE HAVE.
9:37:00PM I THINK WE CAN FIND THE BUDGET WITHIN THE EXISTING BUDGET.
9:37:06PM BUT WHY IS IT IMPORTANT?
9:37:07PM BECAUSE THE NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS ABOUT
9:37:09PM ENTREPRENEURSHIP, AND WE'VE HAD -- WE HAVE LOTS OF
9:37:13PM ENTREPRENEURS HERE.
9:37:13PM WE HAVE ENTREPRENEURS THAT MOVED HERE.
9:37:15PM A LOT OF THEM LIVE IN MY DISTRICT, AND IF YOU HAVE A $5
9:37:19PM MILLION HOME AND THE ROADS ARE COMPLETELY DISINTEGRATING,
9:37:24PM YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE.
9:37:26PM PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO STAND FOR IT VERY MUCH LONGER.
9:37:28PM THEIR CARS ARE FALLING APART.
9:37:30PM OTHER THINGS ARE FALLING APART.
9:37:32PM THEY ARE GOING TO MOVE.
9:37:33PM IF WE DON'T HAVE THE ECONOMIC ENGINE, WE DON'T HAVE JOBS.
9:37:36PM IF WE DON'T HAVE JOBS, THEN MORE PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD HOMES.
9:37:39PM SO WE'VE GOTTA FIX THE ENVIRONMENT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE
9:37:42PM SUBSIDIZING COMPANIES UP TO A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN THE
9:37:45PM LAST ADMINISTRATION, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
9:37:48PM SUPPORT NEIGHBORHOODS.
9:37:50PM HOUSING IS INCLUDED IN THE FIVE THINGS, AND I DON'T THINK WE
9:37:55PM SHOULD REDUCE THAT BUDGET, BUT AS MR. ROBINSON SAID, WE
9:38:01PM CAN'T MAKE DECISIONS ON THE CRA, BUT I CAN MENTION IT.
9:38:04PM WE PUT IN A RECORD AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THE CRA TOWARD
9:38:07PM AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
9:38:08PM WE NEED AT LEAST $5 BILLION FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT
9:38:11PM WE'RE NOT GOING TO COME ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THAT.
9:38:13PM WE'VE GOT AN EXTRA 8 OR 9 MILLION IN CRA MONEY THAT WE CAN
9:38:18PM -- THAT IS COMING IN JUST BECAUSE OF THE PROPERTY VALUATION
9:38:22PM INCREASE.
9:38:23PM AND SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT, AND WE AS CRA TOMORROW CAN
9:38:26PM TALK ABOUT HOW TO REALLOCATE IT.
9:38:28PM IF WE CAN TAKE EVEN FOUR OR FIVE MILLION OUT OF IT, THAT
9:38:31PM WOULD BE MORE MONEY THAT THE CITY WAS PUTTING IN AFFORDABLE
9:38:33PM HOUSING JUST A FEW YEARS AGO.
9:38:35PM SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO COME ANYWHERE CLOSE TO WHAT WE NEED,
9:38:38PM BUT WE CAN ADD MORE MONEY IN.
9:38:40PM AND TALK ABOUT BUYING MOTELS, ANY OF THEM IN THE CRA
9:38:46PM DISTRICTS, IF WE CAN HAVE THE MONEY, REALIGN THE MONEY, WE
9:38:49PM CAN DO THAT.
9:38:49PM THE LAST THING, I ASKED MR. ROGERO THE QUESTIONS ABOUT
9:38:52PM BONDING EARLIER, AND WE NEED TO -- I DON'T NEED AN ANSWER
9:38:57PM RIGHT NOW, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION ABOUT
9:38:59PM BOND CAPACITY AND WE NEED TO SET SOME PARAMETERS AND RULES
9:39:02PM AROUND IT.
9:39:02PM WE NEED TO KNOW, JUST LIKE WE FIND OUT THAT THERE'S 26
9:39:06PM MILLION AND 45 MILLION THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE SPENT IN THE
9:39:10PM BUDGET, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE BOND CAPACITY IS EVERY
9:39:12PM YEAR.
9:39:13PM AND WE SHOULDN'T FIND OUT AT THE END THAT WE'RE APPROVING
9:39:16PM BOND CAPACITY.
9:39:17PM IF WE FIND OUT THERE'S A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN BOND
9:39:21PM CAPACITY, WE NEED TO HAVE INPUT EARLY ON AS TO HOW TO
9:39:25PM INFLUENCE IT.
9:39:25PM WE MIGHT DECIDE THAT WE WANT TO SPEND ALL OF IT ON FIRE
9:39:28PM STATIONS.
9:39:28PM WE MIGHT DECIDE WE WANT TO SPEND IT ALL ON AFFORDABLE
9:39:31PM HOUSING.
9:39:31PM BUT WE NEED TO HAVE INPUT TO IT.
9:39:33PM INSTEAD, THINGS LIKE HANNA AVENUE COME TO, AND WE'RE NOT
9:39:37PM PRESENTED WITH AN OPTION OF HOW TO SPEND THE MONEY.
9:39:39PM WE'RE JUST PRESENTED AN OPTION WITH APPROVING IT.
9:39:41PM WE NEED TO HAVE EARLIER INPUT.
9:39:43PM I'M SAYING IN THE FUTURE, WE NEED TO HAVE INPUT INTO THE
9:39:46PM BONDING PROCESS BECAUSE THERE IS A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY
9:39:49PM POTENTIALLY AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OUR BONDING CAPACITY
9:39:51PM IS, BUT WE SHOULDN'T JUST ARBITRARILY BOND THINGS OUT.
9:39:55PM ONE OF THE BOND ISSUANCE RECENTLY LIKE $2.5 MILLION WAS PUT
9:39:59PM IN VILA BROTHERS PARK, ALTHOUGH IT WAS ALLOCATED IN THE
9:40:03PM PRIOR BUDGET THE PREVIOUS YEAR, AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PAID
9:40:07PM OUT OF PAY GO INSTEAD OF BONDING.
9:40:09PM WE NEED TO HAVE INPUT, PLUS AS SOMEONE SAID, I THINK MR.
9:40:12PM MIRANDA, BONDING COSTS A LOT OF MONEY ON HANNA AVENUE ALONE,
9:40:16PM $53 MILLION.
9:40:17PM THAT IS A LOT OF MONEY WE NEED TO LOOK AT AND WE NEED TO NOT
9:40:21PM BOND IF WE CAN HELP IT.
9:40:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: EVERYTHING THAT HE SAID NEEDS TO BE
9:40:25PM WRITTEN DOWN.
9:40:26PM [ LAUGHTER ]
9:40:26PM IT'S A JOKE.
9:40:31PM >>BILL CARLSON: BONDING CAPACITY.
9:40:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BONDING CAPACITY.
9:40:34PM THANK YOU, SIR.
9:40:35PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE OTHER THING I SAID WAS ALLOCATION OF THE
9:40:37PM ADDITIONAL 8, 9 MILLION CRA MONEY.
9:40:40PM WHICH WE HAVE TO DECIDE --
9:40:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO BONDING CAPACITY AND ADDITIONAL --
9:41:00PM YOU GOT IT.
9:41:06PM THANK YOU.
9:41:06PM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN HAS ONE
9:41:10PM LITTLE THING TO ADD AND THEN I'LL DO THE CLOSING REMARKS.
9:41:13PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I HAVE ONE THING TO ADD AS WELL.
9:41:15PM IT'S NOT LITTLE.
9:41:16PM IT'S BIG.
9:41:16PM I TALKED ABOUT IT HERE BEFORE.
9:41:19PM EQUAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY HAS TO BE BROUGHT TO THE
9:41:23PM FOREFRONT AND MADE A PRIORITY IN THE CITY.
9:41:26PM THE SCORECARD, INEQUITY WAS MENTIONED.
9:41:29PM SO I'M CIRCLING BACK TO THAT WORD.
9:41:32PM AND WE NEED THAT BUDGET ANALYST POSITION, NOT JUST THE
9:41:37PM SEARCH FOR SOMEONE.
9:41:40PM I KNOW SOME VERY SPECIFIC SKILL SETS THERE FOR A BUDGET
9:41:45PM ANALYST TO LOOK AT EBO, BECAUSE IT'S EVERYTHING THAT WE
9:41:49PM PURCHASED TO MAKE SURE THAT MINORITY PARTICIPATION IS FAIR
9:41:52PM AND JUST AND ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH
9:41:55PM THAT.
9:41:55PM SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, EVEN IF IT IS A PERSON THAT WE
9:41:59PM ACTUALLY TRAIN, THEY MAY NOT HAVE ALL THE SKILLS, THAT TAKES
9:42:03PM A LONG TIME AND THAT COSTS MORE MONEY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO
9:42:07PM A NATIONAL SEARCH.
9:42:08PM SO LOOK FOR SOMEONE WITH SKILL SETS THAT CAN BE TRAINED
9:42:11PM WHILE WE STILL HAVE THAT SEASONED STAFF ON BOARD THAT COULD
9:42:16PM FALL IN THAT ANALYST POSITION.
9:42:17PM THAT FTE WAS THERE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS MOVED OR
9:42:22PM CHANGED, BUT I WILL SAY THIS: IT MUST -- MUST BE A PART OF
9:42:29PM THIS BUDGET, THAT FTE HAS TO BE PUT BACK ON THIS BUDGET.
9:42:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BUDGET ANALYST.
9:42:36PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: EBO ANALYST.
9:42:41PM I CAN'T THINK OF THE ACTUAL FORMAL NAME FOR IT.
9:42:44PM I WILL HAPPILY GIVE THAT.
9:42:45PM THE POSITION EXISTED AT ONE TIME, AND IT NEEDS TO BE PUT
9:42:48PM BACK.
9:42:49PM JUST PUT EBO ANALYST FTE.
9:42:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF THERE'S ANY CLARIFICATION.
9:42:55PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THERE WAS $2500 ALLOCATED TOWARD IT UNDER
9:43:00PM THE WORD -- THERE WAS $2500 FOR ADVERTISING.
9:43:02PM I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT MEANT, BUT EBO SHOULD BE A PRIORITY
9:43:06PM AND IT NEEDS TO BE REFLECTED IN THE BUDGET WITH HUMAN
9:43:10PM CAPITAL.
9:43:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
9:43:11PM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN, YOU HAVE ONE LITTLE THING TO ADD.
9:43:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MAY EXPAND.
9:43:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
9:43:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE --
9:43:19PM [ LAUGHTER ]
9:43:19PM NOW THAT I'VE GOT THE MICROPHONE.
9:43:21PM ONE, I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS THE SAME BUDGET ANALYST
9:43:26PM POSITION THAT COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON JUST SPOKE TO.
9:43:30PM THIS COUNCIL ALREADY WEIGHED IN.
9:43:31PM I THINK IT WAS UNANIMOUS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WITHIN THE
9:43:34PM CHARTER HAS THE ABILITY TO HAVE A BUDGET ANALYST.
9:43:37PM WE NEED TO PROTECT THAT POSITION.
9:43:39PM I WANTED THE MICROPHONE TO EXPLAIN, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE'RE
9:43:42PM NOT ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT THIS UNTIL WE'RE AT THE DAIS, HOW
9:43:45PM I ENVISION THAT POSITION TO BE.
9:43:47PM HOW DO WE GET TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY WITH ALL OF THE CONCERNS
9:43:53PM THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON, HENDERSON, EVERYBODY ELSE HAS SPOKE
9:43:58PM ABOUT, IS BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE THINGS -- I'M SORRY,
9:44:02PM COUNCIL VOTED ON THESE THINGS IN THE PAST.
9:44:05PM IT'S EITHER BEEN IN CONSENT AGENDAS OR THEY JUST KEEP ADDING
9:44:07PM THINGS TO IT.
9:44:08PM YOU KNOW WHAT?
9:44:09PM WE SHARE THE GUILT.
9:44:12PM I'LL SAY EVERYBODY BUT COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON AND I BECAUSE
9:44:15PM WE WEREN'T HERE.
9:44:16PM [ LAUGHTER ]
9:44:16PM THERE ARE FIVE UP HERE THAT SHARE THE GUILT AND TWO OF US
9:44:22PM THAT SHARE THE GUILT SINCE MAY 1st.
9:44:24PM BUT I UNDERSTAND.
9:44:27PM I CAN SEE HOW IT HAPPENED.
9:44:28PM I GET THESE AGENDAS EVERY WEEK, AND THE STAFF DOES A
9:44:31PM WONDERFUL JOB OF ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS AND GIVING ME THE
9:44:33PM BRIEFINGS WHEN I NEED THEM ON SPECIFIC ITEMS, ESPECIALLY AT
9:44:38PM LAND USE.
9:44:38PM BUT IT IS VERY COMPLICATED.
9:44:40PM I'M AN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER, AND I'VE HAD EXPERIENCE IN
9:44:43PM MANAGING BUDGETS BEFORE, BUT NOT TO THIS MAGNITUDE.
9:44:46PM SO WHAT I SEE THIS BUDGET ANALYST FOR COUNCIL DOING IS
9:44:53PM FULL-TIME EVERY WEEK GOING THROUGH OUR BUDGET -- I'M SORRY,
9:44:57PM GOING THROUGH OUR AGENDA, LOOKING AT EVERY SINGLE ITEM AND
9:45:01PM KIND OF BUILDING ON WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK ASKED FOR IN A
9:45:06PM PREVIOUS MOTION AT ANOTHER MEETING ABOUT HAVING THE IMPACT,
9:45:09PM THE DOLLAR FIGURES ATTACHED TO THESE ITEMS, BUT GOING
9:45:11PM THROUGH AND LOOKING AT WHAT EACH ONE OF THOSE ITEMS ACTUALLY
9:45:14PM LOOKS LIKE, WHAT IT DOES, WHAT THE BUDGET IMPACT IS, WHAT
9:45:18PM THE SHORT-TERM IMPLICATIONS ARE AND WHAT THE LONG-TERM
9:45:21PM IMPLICATIONS ARE.
9:45:22PM AND THEN INDIVIDUALLY BRIEFING US ABOUT THE BUDGET IMPACT OF
9:45:26PM THAT COUNCIL AGENDA.
9:45:27PM AND I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IT WILL BE
9:45:30PM EXTRAORDINARILY VALUABLE TO US AS WE SIT UP HERE EVERY WEEK
9:45:35PM AND ARE DEALING WITH THESE VERY COMPLICATED ISSUES, THAT IF
9:45:39PM WE COULD HAVE THAT LEVEL OF EXPERTISE REALLY GOING THROUGH
9:45:44PM AND SATISFYING THOSE NEEDS THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO
9:45:46PM ANALYZE THE BUDGET, AND I SUSPECT IT WILL GO A LONG WAY IN
9:45:51PM KIND OF BEING A LITTLE BIT OF PROPHYLACTIC MEDICINE SO WE
9:45:56PM CAN AVOID BEING HERE A YEAR FROM TODAY AND HAVING SOME OF
9:45:59PM THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE TODAY.
9:46:01PM BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE QUESTIONS, ESPECIALLY WITH THAT
9:46:06PM VOODOO ACCOUNTING THAT ACCOUNTANTS DO, AS THEY SPOKE ABOUT
9:46:09PM THE SHIFTING BUDGETS.
9:46:11PM BY THE WAY, THERE'S NO HIDDEN POTS OF MONEY ANYWHERE.
9:46:13PM IT'S ALL ALLOCATED.
9:46:15PM IT'S JUST NOT AS TRANSPARENT.
9:46:19PM IT WASN'T TRANSPARENT TO THE PUBLIC.
9:46:20PM IT WASN'T TRANSPARENT TO ME.
9:46:22PM AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE A BUDGET ANALYST WILL COME IN HANDY
9:46:25PM TO EXPLAIN TO ME SOMEBODY THAT IS ACCOUNTABLE TO ME THAT
9:46:28PM WILL EXPLAIN TO ME, OH, THEY ARE DOING THIS.
9:46:30PM THEY ARE PUTTING MONEY IN X.
9:46:32PM TARGETED TO GO TO Y AND IT SAT THERE BECAUSE OF THIS REASON
9:46:36PM OR WE'VE GOT THIS MONEY, LIKE YOU JUST HEARD ABOUT BONDING
9:46:40PM DEBT.
9:46:40PM NOW, THAT BEING SAID, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I EXPLAIN
9:46:43PM WHAT I ENVISION THIS BUDGET ANALYST POSITION TO BE.
9:46:45PM THAT BEING SAID, IF THIS WASN'T SO TRAGIC, IT WOULD BE FUNNY
9:46:52PM BECAUSE WE CAME INTO THIS MEETING TONIGHT, WE HAD TO BALANCE
9:46:55PM A BUDGET, AND HONESTLY, WHEN I PUT MY BUDGET PRIORITIES UP
9:47:01PM THERE, I REALLY -- YOU DON'T KNOW HOW STRONGLY I FEEL ABOUT
9:47:06PM ITEMS THAT I DID NOT PUT ON THAT BOARD.
9:47:08PM BUT I DIDN'T PUT ON THAT BOARD BECAUSE I FELT LIKE I REALLY
9:47:11PM HAD TO WORK WITHIN OUR MEANS.
9:47:13PM I ONLY PUT MONEY UP THERE THAT I FELT THAT WE COULD
9:47:16PM REALISTICALLY FIND WITHIN THE LIMITED RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE
9:47:19PM NOW FOUND OURSELVES IN.
9:47:21PM BUT, OBVIOUSLY, FOLKS THAT I SIT WITH DIDN'T SEE IT, SO THEY
9:47:26PM THREW THE ENTIRE SANTA CLAUS LIST UP THERE FOR BEING GOOD
9:47:30PM BOYS AND GOOD GIRLS ALL YEAR AND EVERYTHING THEY WANTED.
9:47:33PM WE CAN'T AFFORD ALL THAT.
9:47:34PM THE MONEY IS NOT THERE.
9:47:36PM DO I WANT EVERYTHING THAT THE $45 MILLION AND MORE.
9:47:41PM DO I WANT TO DO EVERY SINGLE THING THAT ALL OF THAT MONEY, I
9:47:45PM WANT IT ALL AND MORE.
9:47:46PM I WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR EVERYBODY.
9:47:49PM I WANT TO DO EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY CAN DO.
9:47:53PM GUESS WHAT, I HAVE X NUMBER OF DOLLARS TO SPEND IN FISCAL
9:47:56PM YEAR '24.
9:47:57PM X NUMBER OF DOLLARS.
9:47:59PM WE'VE DONE A DECENT JOB, AND I THINK THERE ARE SOME
9:48:02PM QUESTIONABLE THINGS UP THERE THAT I THINK THE ADMINISTRATION
9:48:04PM STAFF WILL BE PROUD TO PROVIDE CLARITY IN THE COMING DAYS
9:48:10PM BUT THAT AIN'T GOING TO CUT IT.
9:48:12PM IT'S NOT GOING TO EVEN GET -- UNLESS WE JUST MAKE THE
9:48:16PM ASSUMPTION ABOUT THE 45 MILLION, IT AIN'T GOING TO CUT IT.
9:48:19PM I'M JUST SAYING, RIGHT NOW WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS LIST,
9:48:22PM WE'RE HANDING THE ADMINISTRATION TO ASK US TO HELP US AN
9:48:27PM IMPOSSIBLE TASK, BECAUSE IT IS A GIGANTIC WISH LIST AND A
9:48:32PM LIMITED NUMBER OF DOLLARS AVAILABLE TO US.
9:48:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, COUNCIL MEMBER
9:48:39PM VIERA, AND I'LL END THIS DISCUSSION.
9:48:41PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
9:48:42PM THIS WILL BE MY LAST CONVERSATION.
9:48:43PM I'M NOT AGAINST THE BUDGET ANALYST, BUT I THINK YOU HAVE TO
9:48:49PM DRAW UP A JOB DESCRIPTION AND EXACTLY HOW YOU WANT IT DONE
9:48:52PM OR THE COUNCIL EXACTLY HOW WE WANT IT DONE.
9:48:54PM WE HAVE SEVEN PEOPLE.
9:48:55PM HOPE HE DOESN'T HAVE TO ANSWER TO ALL SEVEN.
9:48:58PM WELL, IF YOU ASK FOR SOMETHING, EVERYBODY ASKS FOR SOMETHING
9:49:02PM DIFFERENT, WHO IS HE GOING TO FOLLOW.
9:49:04PM DIRECTION TO SOMEBODY, WHOEVER THE CHAIR IS, THE CHAIR,
9:49:08PM BECAUSE IF NOT, IT WILL REALLY GET OUT OF LINE AND HE OR SHE
9:49:12PM WON'T KNOW WHO TO ANSWER TO.
9:49:14PM I THINK WHOEVER THE CHAIRPERSON IS AT THAT TIME, WE ASK THE
9:49:17PM CHAIR WHAT WE NEED AND THEN HE WORKS WITH THAT ON A REGULAR
9:49:21PM BASIS.
9:49:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AND THE CHAIR IS ACCOUNTABLE TO US.
9:49:24PM THE CHAIR IS ACCOUNTABLE TO US.
9:49:26PM THAT'S GOOD.
9:49:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MR. SHELBY IS ACCOUNTABLE TO ALL OF US.
9:49:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO MR. SHELBY IN 15
9:49:36PM YEARS.
9:49:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I USE HIM ALMOST EVERY DAY.
9:49:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HE DOES SAY HELLO.
9:49:41PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M JUST SAYING WHAT I DO.
9:49:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S IT?
9:49:47PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:49:52PM AND I HAVE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT.
9:49:54PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, VERY MUCH.
9:49:56PM JUST A COUPLE THINGS FIND IN THE BUDGET, WHENEVER YOU HAVE
9:50:01PM SOMETHING IN THE BUDGET, YOU STAY ON IT LIKE WHITE ON RICE.
9:50:04PM I'LL GIVE YOU ALL A GOOD EXAMPLE.
9:50:06PM LAST YEAR I GOT IN THE BUDGET A PROGRAM FOR $15 AN HOUR
9:50:10PM INTERNSHIP FOR PEOPLE WITH INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES FOR
9:50:13PM HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
9:50:15PM MOTION HAVE IT COME BACK IN SIX MONTHS, SEE WHERE IT WAS AT.
9:50:18PM OKAY, WASN'T READY.
9:50:19PM COME BACK IN THREE MONTHS, SEE WHERE IT IS AT.
9:50:23PM YOU HAVE TO STAY ON THINGS.
9:50:25PM IF IT'S NOT YOUR THING IT MAY VERY WELL VANISH.
9:50:28PM JUST THE WAY IT IS.
9:50:29PM THREE THINGS I DID WANT TO MENTION FAST.
9:50:31PM VERY, VERY LOW.
9:50:32PM SEND THE ADMINISTRATION A SEPARATE E-MAIL, WHATEVER.
9:50:37PM MONEY FOR A REAL PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN.
9:50:39PM WE SPENT $99,999.99 FOR THE FITCH REPORT A COUPLE OF YEARS
9:50:46PM AGO.
9:50:47PM LET'S HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS REAL AND WORKING WITH LOCAL
9:50:50PM 754, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
9:50:52PM I KNOW WE HAD MONEY FOR K-BAR RANCH, THE PARK IN THE BUDGET.
9:50:58PM I WANT IT AT LEAST DESIGNED SO SOMEBODY WHO COMES AFTER ME
9:51:04PM CAN GET THE BALL ROLLING FOR THE GOOD FOLKS AT K-BAR RANCH.
9:51:08PM LASTLY AND ACTUALLY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA BROUGHT UP,
9:51:14PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, AND COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER DID BEFORE,
9:51:17PM PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT FEES THAT WOULD REQUIRE A STUDY WHICH
9:51:19PM WOULD COST US MONEY.
9:51:21PM I'M SURE THE MONEY THAT WE RECOUP FROM PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT
9:51:23PM FEES WILL BE MORE THAN WHAT IT COSTS, BUT LET'S FUND THAT SO
9:51:27PM WE CAN GET IT STARTED NOW.
9:51:29PM AGAIN, VERY SMALL ITEMS, BUT I'LL THROW THEM IN THERE JUST
9:51:33PM BECAUSE.
9:51:34PM THANK YOU.
9:51:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:51:35PM AFTER I FINISH SPEAKING, I'M GOING TO ADJOURN, AND THAT'S
9:51:38PM GOING TO BE IT.
9:51:38PM PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ENOUGH.
9:51:43PM LISA, IN THAT LIST THAT YOU HAVE IN RED, WAS IT ACCOUNTED
9:51:50PM FOR THE $1.8 MILLION FOR POLICE?
9:51:53PM >> YES.
9:51:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I THINK IT WAS AT THE BEGINNING,
9:51:56PM CORRECT?
9:51:57PM OR 1.9 MILLION.
9:51:58PM OKAY.
9:52:00PM VERY GOOD.
9:52:00PM I SEE IT THERE.
9:52:01PM EVERYTHING THAT I WAS GOING TO ADD ON THAT LIST HAS BEEN
9:52:05PM ADDED.
9:52:05PM I WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR BRINGING UP HOUSING,
9:52:15PM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, THAT HAS
9:52:17PM ALREADY MADE THE LIST.
9:52:18PM AND ALSO, THE REQUEST FOR PUBLIC SAFETY REGARDING FIRE,
9:52:22PM REGARDING POLICE, EVERYTHING IS THERE.
9:52:24PM SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD ONTO IT.
9:52:26PM I THINK THE COUNCIL HAS MADE OUR PRIORITIES CLEAR.
9:52:30PM WE'VE ALSO PUT DOWN IDEAS OF WHERE TO GET THAT FUNDING FROM.
9:52:33PM SO WE HAVE A PLACE TO START.
9:52:36PM I SAY THIS WITH CAUTION, BUT I'M HOPEFUL.
9:52:40PM I FEEL GOOD ABOUT TUESDAY, THAT WE CAN COME TO A CONSENSUS
9:52:44PM AND GET A BALANCED BUDGET THAT WE CAN APPROVE.
9:52:48PM HOWEVER, MOVING AFTER OCTOBER 1st, WE SHOULD REALLY AND
9:52:55PM THIS IS NOT TO OFFEND ANYBODY, YOU DO A WONDERFUL JOB IN THE
9:52:59PM BUDGET OFFICE, BUT I THINK LET'S START ON THESE DISCUSSIONS
9:53:02PM AS EARLY AS WE CAN SO WE CAN AVOID THIS IN THE FUTURE.
9:53:08PM NOT SAYING THAT THERE'S NOT TRANSPARENCY, BUT LET'S BUILD
9:53:12PM BETTER RELATIONSHIPS SO WE'RE BETTER PREPARED BECAUSE WE
9:53:15PM DON'T KNOW WHAT NEXT YEAR IS GOING TO BRING.
9:53:18PM OTHER THAN THAT, THANK YOU TO LISA EDWARDS, MY LEGISLATIVE
9:53:21PM AIDE.
9:53:21PM AND TO SULING.
9:53:25PM MR. SHELBY, IF WE WOULD HAVE HIRED A PROFESSIONAL
9:53:28PM FACILITATOR, WHAT WOULD IT HAVE COST US, 2500 BUCKS?
9:53:31PM $4,000?
9:53:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I CONTEMPLATED IT, BUT I DIDN'T PRICE IT.
9:53:37PM FRANKLY, IT'S A VERY SHORT -- IT WAS A SHORT TURNAROUND TO
9:53:41PM BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
9:53:46PM >> WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' FACILITATOR.
9:53:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYWAYS, THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY.
9:53:52PM CHIEF BENNETT, YOU AND YOUR STAFF -- THERE'S NO RECEIVE AND
9:53:55PM FILE.
9:53:55PM MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
9:54:01PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:54:04PM I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY WHAT A GREAT JOB YOU DID.
9:54:08PM WE ARE ADJOURNED.
9:54:09PM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
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