TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, JANUARY 25, 2024, 9:00 A.M.
DISCLAIMER:
THIS FILE REPRESENTS AN UNEDITED VERSION OF REALTIME
CAPTIONING WHICH SHOULD NEITHER BE RELIED UPON FOR COMPLETE
ACCURACY NOR USED AS A VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT.
ANY PERSON WHO NEEDS A VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT OF THE
PROCEEDINGS MAY NEED TO HIRE A COURT REPORTER.
9:04:35AM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
9:04:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
9:04:38AM I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO
9:04:40AM ORDER.
9:04:41AM AT THIS TIME, I YIELD TO COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON WHO WILL
9:04:43AM WELCOME OUR GUEST FOR THE INVOCATION.
9:04:44AM >>BILL CARLSON: GOOD MORNING.
9:04:47AM VERY HAPPY THIS MORNING TO ASK THE PASTOR FROM THE ETHIOPIAN
9:04:52AM ORTHODOX CHURCH TO PRESENT THIS MORNING.
9:04:55AM IF YOU WANT TO STAND UP.
9:04:59AM FASSIL GABREMARIAM IS HERE THIS MORNING.
9:05:07AM A GREAT LEADER IN TAMPA AND BUILT TIES BETWEEN AFRICA AND
9:05:13AM TAMPA BAY.
9:05:14AM IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE ETHIOPIAN CHURCH ON THE EDGE OF
9:05:19AM TOWN, IT'S REALLY IMPRESSIVE HISTORIC LOOKING BUILDING.
9:05:22AM I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO GO TO ETHIOPIA A FEW YEARS AGO.
9:05:27AM ETHIOPIA HAS SOME OF THE OLDEST JEWISH HISTORY.
9:05:34AM IF YOU'VE SEEN THE MOVIE RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, IT'S IN
9:05:39AM ETHIOPIA IN A CHURCH, SO YOU CAN STUDY THAT.
9:05:41AM THERE IS A COPY OF THE ARK IN EACH ETHIOPIAN CHURCH MADE IN
9:05:45AM ISRAEL AND A COPY.
9:05:47AM THIS CHURCH, UNFORTUNATELY, ONLY THE PASTOR CAN SEE IT.
9:05:50AM THE REST OF US CANNOT.
9:05:53AM GREAT TRADITION.
9:05:54AM ETHIOPIA ORTHODOX CHURCH OF ST. MARY, ETHIOPIAN REFUGEE,
9:06:04AM MINISTRY FOCUSES ON SERVING HIS COMMUNITY ALMOST ALL OR ALSO
9:06:08AM ETHIOPIAN REFUGEES.
9:06:10AM FOUNDED THE TAMPA BAY REFUGEE GARDEN.
9:06:12AM THE GARDEN BEGAN FIVE YEARS AGO WHEN REVEREND BURQALAY, THE
9:06:19AM CHIEF AT ST. MARY'S AND THE CONGREGATION, ALMOST ALL OF
9:06:26AM HEIRLOOM TO REFUGEES.
9:06:27AM THE GARDEN HAS PARTNERED WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH
9:06:30AM FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ANTHROPOLOGY AND ENGINEERING WITH
9:06:34AM FUNDING FROM THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND HELP
9:06:37AM FROM STUDENT VOLUNTEERS.
9:06:39AM DR. ROBERTA BEHR IS STUDYING DIETARY HABITS AND DR. TROTS
9:06:46AM HELPED BUILD THE GREEN HOUSE IRRIGATION AND RAIN HARVESTING
9:06:50AM SYSTEM.
9:06:51AM IF WE'LL STAND AND DO THE INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF
9:06:54AM ALLEGIANCE.
9:06:58AM >> LET US PRAY.
9:07:00AM HEAVENLY FATHER, BEHOLD HOW GOOD AND PLEASANT IT IS WHEN THE
9:07:07AM CITY COUNCIL MEN AND WOMEN GET TOGETHER IN UNITY AND
9:07:11AM HARMONY.
9:07:11AM THIS IS THE LORD'S DOING.
9:07:15AM IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES.
9:07:17AM THIS IS A DAY WHICH THE LORD HAS MADE TO REJOICE AND TO BE
9:07:22AM GLAD IN IT.
9:07:23AM WE PRAY AGAIN FOR THIS COUNCIL MEMBERS, OUR CITY STAFF AND
9:07:30AM ALL OF THOSE WHO WORK HARD TO MAKE THIS PLACE WE CAN CALL IT
9:07:35AM HOME SUCH A WONDERFUL CITY.
9:07:37AM DEAR COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE LORD BLESS YOU FROM ZAYAD.
9:07:44AM MAY YOU SEE THE PROSPERITY OF THE CITY OF TAMPA ALL THE DAYS
9:07:48AM OF YOUR LIFE.
9:07:50AM PEACE BE ON THE CITIZENS OF AMERICA.
9:07:54AM AMEN.
9:07:55AM [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:08:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
9:08:09AM IF WE COULD HAVE ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
9:08:13AM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
9:08:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
9:08:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
9:08:17AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT.
9:08:19AM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
9:08:20AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
9:08:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
9:08:22AM >>THE CLERK: YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
9:08:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:08:25AM MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE MINUTES FROM JANUARY 11,
9:08:28AM 2024 AND JANUARY 18, 2024, FOR THE EVENING SESSION?
9:08:31AM MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:08:33AM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
9:08:35AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:08:36AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:08:37AM ALL RIGHT.
9:08:38AM WE WILL BE SETTING THE TIMER TODAY, CLERK, THE FIVE MINUTES
9:08:42AM PER COUNCIL MEMBERS.
9:08:43AM WE KNOW THAT.
9:08:44AM FIRST, I'D LIKE TO READ A MOTION HERE REGARDING A REQUEST
9:08:50AM FOR A CLOSED SESSION.
9:08:53AM I'LL HAND THE GAVEL TO COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
9:08:56AM MOTION TO ADD TO JANUARY 25, 2024, AGENDA A CLOSED SESSION
9:09:02AM TO BE HELD ON FEBRUARY 1, 2024, AT 11 A.M. IN THE 8th
9:09:06AM FLOOR CONFERENCE ROOM OF OLD CITY HALL, 315 EAST KENNEDY
9:09:08AM BOULEVARD IN ORDER TO DISCUSS SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATIONS IN THE
9:09:13AM CASE OF DUBOISE VERSUS CITY OF TAMPA ET AL WITH THE
9:09:18AM FOLLOWING PERSONS IN ATTENDANCE AT THE CLOSED SESSION.
9:09:20AM MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY MARTIN
9:09:23AM SHELBY, CITY ATTORNEY ANDREA ZELMAN, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY
9:09:27AM DAVID HARVEY, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER DENNIS ROGERO AND
9:09:31AM CERTIFIED COURT REPORTER SARAH PARKER.
9:09:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO.
9:09:36AM A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:09:38AM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
9:09:39AM AYE.
9:09:40AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK?
9:09:42AM >>BILL CARLSON: I SENT A MEMO TO LEGAL LAST NIGHT.
9:09:46AM I THINK THESE REQUESTS SHOULD BE PUT ON THE AGENDA OR AT
9:09:49AM LEAST SUBMITTED IN ADVANCE INSTEAD OF WALKED ON.
9:09:53AM BUT I WOULD VOTE YES.
9:09:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS THAT SOMETHING FOR NEW BUSINESS?
9:09:57AM >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
9:09:58AM I'M JUST SAYING PRESENTED AS A WALK-ON.
9:10:02AM IT SHOULD BE SCHEDULED OR PUT ON THE AGENDA SO WE'RE AWARE
9:10:04AM OF IT IN ADVANCE AND THE PUBLIC IS AWARE.
9:10:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
9:10:10AM AYE.
9:10:11AM OPPOSED?
9:10:11AM THE AYES HAVE IT.
9:10:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:10:13AM GOING THROUGH THE AGENDA HERE, ITEM NUMBER 4, STAFF HAS
9:10:18AM REQUESTED THAT THIS ITEM BE WITHDRAWN.
9:10:19AM MAY I GET A MOTION?
9:10:22AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:10:25AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:10:25AM AYE.
9:10:26AM ITEM NUMBER 41 WE RECEIVED AN E-MAIL FROM THE APPLICANT'S
9:10:32AM REPRESENTATIVE REQUESTING THAT THE ITEM BE WITHDRAWN.
9:10:33AM WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:10:36AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:10:38AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:10:38AM AYE.
9:10:39AM ALL RIGHT.
9:10:39AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS THAT ITEM 41, MR. CHAIRMAN?
9:10:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
9:10:45AM WE'LL WITHDRAW IT WHEN WE GET TO IT AT 10:00.
9:10:49AM SORRY ABOUT THAT.
9:10:52AM MOTION RESCINDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN AND MIRANDA.
9:10:56AM WE'LL WAIT UNTIL 10:00.
9:10:58AM ITEM NUMBER 42, THERE IS A TIME CERTAIN FOR 1:30, AND WE
9:11:03AM WILL TAKE THAT RIGHT AFTER COUNCILMAN VIERA'S COMMENDATION,
9:11:07AM CORRECT?
9:11:08AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
9:11:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO WE HAVE THAT.
9:11:10AM LET'S GO THROUGH SOME STAFF REPORTS HERE.
9:11:14AM MR. VIK BHIDE SPOKE WITH OUR OFFICE, AND HE WILL BE
9:11:18AM AVAILABLE FOR 45 AND 46 DURING STAFF REPORTS.
9:11:22AM HE'S IN A MEETING THIS MORNING.
9:11:24AM >>BILL CARLSON: I MOVE TO CONTINUE ITEM 46.
9:11:26AM THE PUBLIC HAS ASKED US TO HOLD OFF, SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOOD
9:11:30AM ASSOCIATIONS HAVE ASKED US TO HOLD THIS FOR AT LEAST TWO
9:11:34AM WEEKS SO THEY CAN TALK TO STAFF ABOUT THE IMPACTS TO THE
9:11:37AM NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOW THEY --
9:11:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WOULD THAT BE FOR 45 AND 46?
9:11:41AM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST 46 FOR ME.
9:11:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THEY GO TOGETHER.
9:11:44AM I'M GOING TO DISAGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE THE WHOLE POINT FOR
9:11:47AM THIS IS SIMPLY TO MOVE THE MONEY.
9:11:49AM IT'S NOT ANYTHING ABOUT THE PROJECT ITSELF.
9:11:52AM >>BILL CARLSON: THE REASON, THOUGH, IS THAT WE HAVE
9:11:55AM SITUATIONS WHERE STAFF COMES BEFORE US AND THEY ASK US TO
9:12:00AM APPROVE SOMETHING THAT'S MINOR.
9:12:02AM AND THEN AFTERWARDS THEY COME BACK AND THE POLITICAL
9:12:05AM OPERATIVES SAYS WELL CITY COUNCIL WAS SO STUPID THEY
9:12:08AM APPROVED THIS AND DIDN'T KNOW IT.
9:12:10AM THE PUBLIC WANTS US TO STOP THIS AT EVERY POINT.
9:12:13AM THERE'S BEEN NO COMMUNICATION WITH THE PUBLIC.
9:12:16AM THE FIRST ONE IS ACCEPT THE GRANT.
9:12:18AM THE SECOND ONE IS MOVE THE MONEY OVER.
9:12:20AM THE PUBLIC HAS OVERWHELMINGLY ASKED US TO DO THIS BECAUSE
9:12:25AM THEY WOULD LIKE TO NEGOTIATE.
9:12:26AM THERE ARE TWO PROJECTS.
9:12:27AM MacDILL AND HOWARD THAT ARE GOING TO SHUT DOWN THREE
9:12:30AM NEIGHBORHOODS.
9:12:30AM AND THERE'S NO MITIGATION.
9:12:33AM A CONTRACTOR ALREADY HIRED, PR FIRM ALREADY HIRED AND MOVING
9:12:36AM FORWARD ON THE PROJECT AND HAD NO PUBLIC DISCUSSIONS WITH
9:12:38AM THE PUBLIC AT ALL.
9:12:39AM THE PUBLIC IS SIMPLY ASKING FOR A TWO-WEEK DELAY WHICH I
9:12:43AM THINK IS REASONABLE.
9:12:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL SUPPORT MOVING 46, BUT I THINK WE
9:12:48AM SHOULD AT LEAST ACCEPT THE GRANT.
9:12:51AM >>BILL CARLSON: I AGREE.
9:12:52AM I ONLY WANT TO MOVE 46.
9:12:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN, DO YOU WANT TO SAY
9:12:56AM SOMETHING?
9:12:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK BEFORE WE MAKE THIS DETERMINATION
9:12:59AM WE SHOULD HEAR FROM VIK.
9:13:02AM I'M INCLINED TO SUPPORT COUNCILMAN CARLSON ON THIS FOR 46,
9:13:05AM BUT I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM MR. BHIDE FIRST BEFORE
9:13:08AM WE MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT TO DO ON THIS.
9:13:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:13:16AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
9:13:17AM I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
9:13:19AM I DON'T HAVE ANY REAL OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS TWO WEEKS,
9:13:23AM BUT I DO OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION WANT TO HEAR FROM
9:13:26AM MR. BHIDE WHENEVER HE IS AVAILABLE.
9:13:30AM I'M SURE THAT WILL HAPPEN.
9:13:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, DO YOU WANT TO KEEP
9:13:34AM YOUR MOTION OUT THERE BUT WE'LL VOTE --
9:13:38AM >>BILL CARLSON: THE THING I'LL SAY, THE ARGUMENT WHEN WE ASK
9:13:40AM TO CONTINUE THINGS, THE ARGUMENT IS, WELL, WE NEED TO DO
9:13:44AM THIS URGENTLY.
9:13:46AM THERE SHOULD BE NOTHING ON THE AGENDA THAT WE CANNOT DELAY.
9:13:49AM THE COMMUNITY IS OVERWHELMINGLY ASKING US TO DELAY THIS.
9:13:53AM I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR -- THERE'S NO JUSTIFIABLE REASON, BUT
9:13:58AM IF WE HEAR, OH, WELL WE NEED IT URGENTLY, THEN THEY SHOULD
9:14:05AM HAVE BROUGHT IT TO US EARLIER AND HAD A CONVERSATION WITH
9:14:08AM THE PUBLIC EARLIER.
9:14:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU WANT TO HOLD YOUR MOTION UNTIL IT
9:14:10AM COMES UP?
9:14:11AM >>BILL CARLSON: NO, HOPEFULLY IT WILL POP UP.
9:14:15AM THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WANT TO SPEAK ON IT AND
9:14:18AM WASTE A DAY SITTING HERE.
9:14:19AM IF WE'RE GOING TO HEAR IT, FINE, THEY CAN SIT HERE ALL DAY.
9:14:22AM WE MAY HAVE PEOPLE ONLINE.
9:14:24AM I DON'T KNOW.
9:14:24AM IT WOULD SAVE THE PUBLIC A LOT OF TIME IF WE CONTINUE NOW.
9:14:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I SECOND THE MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM 46.
9:14:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECOND
9:14:32AM FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:14:33AM THIS IS TO CONTINUE 46.
9:14:35AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:14:36AM AYE.
9:14:37AM OPPOSED?
9:14:38AM >> NAY.
9:14:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME SAY THIS.
9:14:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
9:14:45AM WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
9:14:46AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK?
9:14:51AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE MIKE IS ON.
9:14:55AM MAYBE IT IS THE THROAT NOT WORKING WELL.
9:14:56AM TO LISTEN TO THE COUNCIL CONVERSATION REGARDING MR. BHIDE.
9:15:00AM WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE DEPARTMENT.
9:15:02AM WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY, SOMETHING THAT WILL
9:15:05AM BREAK OR EXPLODE.
9:15:06AM WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING.
9:15:07AM I'M NOT SAYING IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
9:15:09AM I'M JUST SAYING WE DON'T KNOW.
9:15:11AM I WOULD AT LEAST WAIT, RESPECT TO THE DEPARTMENT HEAD TO LET
9:15:14AM HIM SPEAK WHAT IT IS AND MAYBE SOMETHING MORE TO IT THAN WE
9:15:17AM KNOW OR MAYBE THERE ISN'T.
9:15:19AM BUT TO US TO TAKE A BLANKET AND JUST SAY I HEARD FROM
9:15:22AM SOMEONE, THAT'S FINE, BUT WHAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH WAITING A
9:15:26AM FEW MINUTES MORE, AN HOUR MORE TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON
9:15:30AM FACTUALLY?
9:15:31AM THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.
9:15:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
9:15:33AM LET'S TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE.
9:15:35AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: NAY.
9:15:37AM >>LUIS VIERA: NO.
9:15:38AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
9:15:40AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
9:15:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
9:15:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO.
9:15:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
9:15:47AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION FAILED.
9:15:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
9:15:49AM WE'LL HEAR IT WHEN IT COMES UP.
9:15:50AM THE MOTION FAILED.
9:15:51AM ITEM NUMBER 47 IS GOING TO BE HEARD PRIOR TO 40.
9:15:58AM IT ALL GOES IN TOGETHER.
9:15:59AM SO I HAVE THAT MARKED.
9:16:02AM >>LUIS VIERA: WITH 47, I MEAN, CAN WE ENTERTAIN AT THIS TIME
9:16:07AM MOTIONS ON THE TIMING OF THIS AND MOVING THIS TO ANOTHER
9:16:10AM DATE AS IT APPLIES TO THE JUVENILE CURFEW?
9:16:13AM ARE WE GOING TO TAKE THAT AT THE TIME?
9:16:18AM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK WE OUGHT TO TAKE THIS OFF THE
9:16:20AM AGENDA.
9:16:20AM EVEN THE TPD REPORT AND THE PUBLIC HEARING SHOWED THAT THESE
9:16:23AM THINGS ARE NOT EFFECTIVE.
9:16:24AM THERE'S NO PROOF THEY ARE EFFECTIVE.
9:16:26AM PROBABLY PEOPLE HERE WHO WANT TO SPEAK OUT ON THIS.
9:16:29AM THEY CAN SAVE THEIR DAY IF WE TAKE IT OFF THE AGENDA AND
9:16:32AM DON'T HEAR THIS.
9:16:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
9:16:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T MIND TAKING THAT OFF THE AGENDA AS
9:16:39AM LONG AS WE ALSO TAKE 40 OFF THE AGENDA.
9:16:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:16:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YEAH, I'M GLAD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS
9:16:45AM NOW.
9:16:47AM I WILL TELL YOU I MADE NO SECRET ABOUT WHAT I KIND OF FELT
9:16:51AM ABOUT THIS CURFEW ISSUE.
9:16:54AM PUBLIC SENTIMENT HAS BEEN HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR.
9:16:57AM WHEN WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AS BEST INTENTIONED AS IT
9:17:02AM WAS AND COMMON SENSE AS IT IS AND NOBODY WANTS
9:17:05AM 12- 13-YEAR-OLDS ON THE STREET AT 2:00 IN THE MORNING, THESE
9:17:09AM THINGS ONLY WORK IF YOU HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE COMMUNITY
9:17:11AM AND YOU HAVE THE SUPPORT OF ALL THE ENTITIES, INCLUDING THE
9:17:15AM ADMINISTRATION, BEHIND IT.
9:17:17AM IT HAS TO BE A MULTIFACETED APPROACH TO BE ABLE TO SOLVE
9:17:21AM SOME OF THE VIOLENT CRIME ISSUES AND SOME OF THE OTHER
9:17:23AM ISSUES WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:17:25AM IT CAN'T JUST BE A HIT AND MISS ON ONE ISSUE.
9:17:28AM I BELIEVE THAT THE TIME IS NOT RIGHT.
9:17:30AM IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE HAD A COMPREHENSIVE PROGRAM TO REDUCE
9:17:33AM VIOLENT CRIME THAT INCLUDED A CURFEW, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT
9:17:38AM AT THIS TIME.
9:17:38AM I WOULD FULLY SUPPORT, IN FACT, I WOULD MOVE TO STRIKE THIS
9:17:41AM FROM THE AGENDA.
9:17:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S WHAT I JUST SAID.
9:17:45AM SO I WOULD LIKE THAT MOTION.
9:17:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
9:17:47AM >>LUIS VIERA: WHAT I WOULD PREFER IS I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD
9:17:50AM RETREAT FROM ANY ISSUE AT THIS TIME.
9:17:52AM I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS, NUMBER ONE, REMOVE THIS FROM
9:17:55AM THE AGENDA TODAY BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE
9:17:57AM TO SPEAK ON THIS.
9:17:58AM I THINK THERE IS SENTIMENT ON COUNCIL TO GIVE THIS AT THE
9:18:01AM VERY LEAST MORE TIME AND HAVE THE ADMINISTRATION RETURN TO
9:18:03AM US WITH A PLAN OF ACTION AND AN AMOUNT OF TIME THAT COUNCIL
9:18:07AM CAN DISCUSS TO ADDRESS CRIME IN YBOR CITY AND ALL OF THE
9:18:14AM ABOVE TYPE OF AN APPROACH.
9:18:15AM I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO RETREAT ON ANY KIND OF AN
9:18:21AM IDEA.
9:18:22AM WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WE NEED MORE TIME, MORE
9:18:24AM ENGAGEMENT ON THE ISSUE.
9:18:25AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO TALKED ABOUT
9:18:28AM HAVING ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY INVESTMENTS IN AFTER-SCHOOL
9:18:30AM PROGRAMS.
9:18:31AM THE ADMINISTRATION IS MOVING TOWARD THAT.
9:18:33AM I COMMEND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOR HER LEADERSHIP IN THAT
9:18:35AM REGARD.
9:18:36AM I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO TAKE THIS OFF THE AGENDA BUT
9:18:39AM REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING THAT MOVES SOMETHING FORWARD AND
9:18:42AM TO HAVE THE ADMINISTRATION COME FORWARD WITH IDEAS ON THIS.
9:18:46AM I THINK THAT ON ALL ISSUES WE CAN'T HAVE SWITZERLAND.
9:18:51AM WE CAN'T HAVE PEOPLE THAT GO, OKAY, LET'S HAVE EVERYTHING ON
9:18:55AM THE TABLE.
9:18:56AM I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT.
9:18:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND THEN CARLSON.
9:18:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S ITEM NUMBER 48 THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT
9:19:02AM TODAY.
9:19:02AM THAT IS EXACTLY IT.
9:19:04AM THAT'S THE POINT IS THAT WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT ACTIVITIES
9:19:08AM AND THERE IS A PLAN.
9:19:12AM IF ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE COULD SILENCE THEIR CELL PHONES,
9:19:16AM WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
9:19:18AM YES, SO I THINK, YES, TAKING 40 AND 47 OFF, BUT LEAVING 48
9:19:23AM TO HAVE THAT BRIEF INITIAL CONVERSATION THAT I'VE BEEN
9:19:27AM WORKING ON, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT EVERYONE BE ABLE TO HEAR
9:19:31AM THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT CHIEF BERCAW HAS PLEDGED AND THE
9:19:39AM THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING ON WITH THE COMMUNITY.
9:19:41AM I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
9:19:42AM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY JUST QUICK, THAT DID NOT PRECLUDE IN
9:19:46AM ANY WAY HEARING 48 AND I SALUTE YOU FOR THAT.
9:19:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:19:50AM >>BILL CARLSON: 40 WAS JUST A BAD IDEA.
9:19:55AM 46 IS THE JUSTIFICATION, WHICH WE SEE THERE IS NO
9:19:58AM JUSTIFICATION.
9:19:59AM 47, SORRY.
9:20:00AM TAKING THOSE TWO OFF MAKES SENSE.
9:20:03AM 48 AND 50 REALLY GO TOGETHER.
9:20:05AM NOW, 50 IS THE QUESTION THAT COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA JUST ASKED
9:20:09AM AND HE MADE A MOTION ABOUT IT IN NOVEMBER.
9:20:11AM AND THAT IS, WHAT CAN THE CITY DO TO PREVENT CRIME.
9:20:14AM AND THE ANSWER IS WE DON'T KNOW.
9:20:17AM THE ONLY ANSWER WE GOT IN THAT DOCUMENT, UNLESS THEY ARE
9:20:20AM GOING TO PRESENT -- BLIND SIDE US AND PRESENT SOMETHING TO
9:20:23AM US TODAY, THE ONLY ANSWER WE GOT IS WE DON'T KNOW OF ANY
9:20:26AM GRANTS WE CAN RECEIVE.
9:20:27AM WHAT I BELIEVE THE MOTION WAS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA SAID
9:20:30AM IS WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE IN YBOR CITY?
9:20:34AM AND THERE'S NO ANSWER THERE.
9:20:35AM WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS WE CONTINUE ITEM 50, TAKE 40 AND 47
9:20:40AM OFF THE AGENDA, CONTINUE ITEM 50 BECAUSE WE ALREADY ASKED
9:20:43AM THE QUESTION BUT WE DIDN'T GET THE ANSWER.
9:20:47AM THE FULL ANSWER AT SOME POINT.
9:20:49AM IN THE ABSENCE OF GETTING AN ANSWER FROM THE ADMINISTRATION
9:20:51AM ON 50, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT OURSELVES.
9:20:54AM I THINK WE HAVE IDEAS ON WHAT WE CAN DO.
9:20:56AM THE IDEA TO MOVE THE 280,000 WAS COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK'S
9:20:59AM IDEA AND WE SUPPORTED IT.
9:21:01AM UNFORTUNATELY, NONE OF THAT MADE IT TO THE PRESS RELEASE.
9:21:05AM IF WE WERE TRYING TO HAVE A COLLABORATIVE ENVIRONMENT, WE
9:21:08AM NEED TO GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE.
9:21:12AM I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK OBVIOUSLY DID THE RESEARCH AND
9:21:14AM LOOKED AT THAT.
9:21:15AM IN ADDITION TO TAKING THE TWO OFF TODAY, I SUGGEST WE
9:21:18AM CONTINUE ITEM 50 BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET RECOMMENDATIONS FROM
9:21:21AM THE ADMINISTRATION.
9:21:22AM I AGREE.
9:21:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BEFORE ANY MOTION, I'LL GO TO CLENDENIN
9:21:26AM AND THEN COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO END IT
9:21:28AM WITH?
9:21:29AM YOUR COMMENT, HIS COMMENT AND THEN MOTION.
9:21:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: REVISITING WHAT I SAID IN THE BEGINNING,
9:21:35AM THIS HAS TO BE PART OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT KIND OF
9:21:38AM ECHOS WHAT I'M HEARING FROM MY RIGHT AND LEFT.
9:21:41AM A LOT OF THE ITEMS ON THIS AGENDA ARE AGAINST EVEN PIECEMEAL
9:21:46AM OF THIS.
9:21:47AM I HAVE TO SAY ITEM 50 I WAS WOEFULLY DISAPPOINTED IN THE
9:21:51AM MEMO THAT CAME FROM THE CHIEF ON THE PLAN THAT WE HAD ASKED
9:21:56AM FOR.
9:21:57AM I THOUGHT IT WAS INADEQUATE AND LOOKING FOR A LOT MORE.
9:22:00AM I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO VISIT IN NEW BUSINESS.
9:22:02AM I THINK WE PROBABLY ON SEVERAL OF THESE ITEMS WE SHOULD
9:22:06AM PROBABLY ROLL THEM TOGETHER AND ASK FOR THAT FROM THE
9:22:09AM ADMINISTRATION.
9:22:09AM BECAUSE I ALSO WANT TO CAUTION MY FELLOW COUNCILMAN AND ALSO
9:22:13AM THE PUBLIC, VIOLENT CRIME IS NOT LIMITED TO JUST ONE AREA OF
9:22:17AM THE CITY.
9:22:18AM THERE ARE MANY AREAS OF THE CITY THAT WE'RE SEEING SOME
9:22:20AM INCREASES AND WE'RE SEEING SOME PROBLEMATIC AREAS WITH
9:22:23AM GANG-RELATED VIOLENCE, WITH DRUG-RELATED VIOLENCE.
9:22:29AM SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE
9:22:31AM PLAN TO REDUCE THAT IN EVERY CORNER OF THE CITY.
9:22:35AM AND A LOT OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALK ABOUT, CURFEWS,
9:22:40AM LIGHTS, CAMERAS, POLICE FORCING, TRAINING, YOUTH PROGRAMS,
9:22:44AM AS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS BRINGING UP TO TALK ABOUT TODAY,
9:22:48AM IT ALL GOES TOGETHER.
9:22:49AM WORK PROGRAMS.
9:22:50AM I TALKED TO MY GOOD FRIEND CONNIE ABOUT HAVING WORK PROGRAMS
9:22:54AM FOR MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.
9:22:55AM WE CAN'T FORGET SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE
9:22:59AM KIDS HAVE SOMETHING TO DO AND CAN EARN MONEY AND NOT LOOK
9:23:02AM FOR FURTHER ALTERNATIVES.
9:23:04AM THIS IS SOMETHING I THINK IN NEW BUSINESS, IF IT'S NOT
9:23:06AM TODAY, MAYBE A WEEK OR TWO, SOMEBODY CAN PUT TIME INTO IT TO
9:23:09AM DO REALLY A COMPREHENSIVE MOTION THAT ASKS THE
9:23:14AM ADMINISTRATION TO COME FORTH WITH A MASTER PLAN, SOMETHING
9:23:18AM THAT ROLLS ALL OF THESE THINGS TOGETHER.
9:23:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:23:20AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:23:22AM IN FACT, IN REVIEWING EVERYTHING THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS
9:23:24AM HAVE SPOKE AND MENTION YBOR CITY FOUR OR FIVE TIMES, I DON'T
9:23:27AM SEE ANYTHING OTHER THAN IN 49 WHERE IT SAYS ABOUT SECURITY
9:23:31AM OF PARKING LOTS IN YBOR CITY, THIS IS A CITYWIDE PROBLEM
9:23:34AM THAT WE HAVE, NOT EVEN YBOR CITY.
9:23:37AM LET'S NOT PINPOINT ONE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT IS CITYWIDE.
9:23:41AM CRIME HAPPENS EVERYWHERE.
9:23:43AM CRIME HAS NO FENCES.
9:23:44AM IT'S ALL WITHIN THE COMPOUND OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, ALL OF
9:23:47AM IT.
9:23:48AM WE'RE LOOKING AT A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY, NOT FOR YBOR CITY,
9:23:50AM BUT FOR THE WHOLE CITY, INCLUDING YBOR CITY.
9:23:53AM SO LET ME PUT IT THAT WAY SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE NOT
9:23:56AM LOOKING AT ONE NEIGHBORHOOD.
9:23:57AM WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF THINGS.
9:23:59AM YES, I SPOKE TO SOME NEIGHBORS ON THE PHONE AND IN PERSON
9:24:02AM SOME OF THEM AND I DID HAVE A LENGTHY CONVERSATION WITH
9:24:05AM CHIEF BERCAW.
9:24:06AM I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION REGARDING SOME ASPECT OF THE START
9:24:09AM OF SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
9:24:10AM THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CHANGE CRIME IS THROUGH EDUCATION.
9:24:14AM HOWEVER, THAT BEING SAID, IT'S NOT AS EASY AS WE SAY.
9:24:18AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:24:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
9:24:21AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES, GOOD MORNING.
9:24:21AM THANK YOU, CHAIR.
9:24:22AM I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT AS AN EDUCATOR AND AS A PARENT, FOR
9:24:28AM ME, OUR CHILDREN'S SAFETY ACROSS EVERY ASPECT OF THE CITY,
9:24:33AM EVERY SINGLE LOCATION IS OF MY CONCERN.
9:24:36AM I JUST WANT OUR KIDS TO BE SAFE, AND I WISH THE SIMPLE RULE
9:24:40AM WOULD BE FOR PARENTS TO SET REASONABLE CURFEWS FOR THEIR
9:24:43AM CHILDREN TO KNOW WHERE THEY ARE, TO NOT RENT AIRBNBs FOR
9:24:50AM THE HOLIDAYS OR FOR PROM OR GASPARILLA AND CONTRIBUTE TO BAD
9:24:54AM BEHAVIORS, NOT TO PUT GUNS IN THEIR HANDS LIKE A PARENT IS
9:24:58AM BEING JUDGED RIGHT NOW IN ANOTHER STATE.
9:25:01AM REALLY IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY COLLECTIVELY AS A COMMUNITY
9:25:04AM TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN, AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT.
9:25:07AM I DON'T THINK A SEVEN-MEMBER BODY CAN MAKE A RULE OR
9:25:11AM ORDINANCE TO PREVENT A 14-YEAR-OLD FROM HAVING A GUN.
9:25:15AM IT IS A COLLECTIVELY ISSUE OF US COMMUNICATING WITH OUR
9:25:19AM CHILDREN AT THE SCHOOL LEVEL AND IN OUR HOMES.
9:25:23AM AND THAT'S JUST WHAT I WANT TO SAY ABOUT IT.
9:25:26AM I REALLY WANT OUR TOWN TO BE SAFE.
9:25:29AM IT'S OKAY FOR YOU TO KNOW WHERE YOUR CHILDREN ARE AT NIGHT,
9:25:33AM DURING THE WEEK AND ON THE WEEKENDS.
9:25:35AM IT'S OKAY TO SEARCH THEIR ROOMS AND LOOK FOR INAPPROPRIATE
9:25:44AM THINGS LIKE GUNS AND ASK QUESTIONS.
9:25:45AM I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS COUNCIL CAN MAKE ANY ORDINANCE TO
9:25:47AM SOLVE A CRIME PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE WITH OUR YOUTH.
9:25:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:25:52AM BEFORE I TAKE A MOTION, HAVING HEARD ALL THE COMMENTS, I
9:25:56AM KNOW IT'S BECOMING A LENGTHY DISCUSSION, BUT I WAS UP THIS
9:26:00AM MORNING EARLY AND WATCHED A SPEECH BY SOMEBODY WE ALL KNOW
9:26:04AM FROM 20 YEARS AGO AND SAYS THERE'S SO MUCH GUN VIOLENCE.
9:26:09AM HE WAS SAYING WHAT WE NEED IS LOVE AND BONDING AND INVESTING
9:26:12AM IN OUR CHILDREN, INVESTING IN OUR YOUTH, WHETHER
9:26:14AM AFTER-SCHOOL PROGRAMS AND I'M GLAD COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK
9:26:19AM BROUGHT IT UP, WHATEVER WE CAN DO AS A COMMUNITY, AS A
9:26:21AM WHOLE.
9:26:22AM IT HAS TO BE A UNITED EFFORT.
9:26:24AM SO MUCH HATE AND ANGER.
9:26:26AM TURN ON THE TV OR SOCIAL MEDIA, SO MUCH NEGATIVITY AND IT
9:26:29AM INFLUENCES PEOPLE.
9:26:29AM A CURFEW, NO CURFEW, WE NEED TO DO MORE AND I THINK AS A
9:26:33AM CITY WE NEED TO EXPLORE ALL OPTIONS.
9:26:35AM WE'RE LOOKING AT I THINK $280,000 TO EXTEND THE STAY AND
9:26:39AM PLAY.
9:26:39AM WE NEED TO LOOK AT OTHER COMMUNITY EVENTS, OTHER WAYS WE CAN
9:26:43AM INVEST IN OUR YOUTH.
9:26:45AM WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS BROADER.
9:26:48AM THERE ARE LAWS ON THE BOOKS EVERYWHERE.
9:26:50AM DRUG LAWS.
9:26:51AM STILL HAVE DRUG DEALING.
9:26:52AM WE CAN GO ON AND ON AND ON.
9:26:54AM WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF US
9:26:59AM AS CITY COUNCIL AND US AS A COMMUNITY.
9:27:01AM AT THIS POINT, I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY MOTIONS OF CONTINUANCE.
9:27:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION.
9:27:09AM >>LUIS VIERA: I'LL LET YOU MAKE A MOTION.
9:27:11AM THAT'S FINE.
9:27:12AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION.
9:27:14AM THAT'S FINE.
9:27:15AM I'LL TAKE THE CONTINUANCE.
9:27:16AM I DID ITEM NUMBER 50.
9:27:18AM THE WAY I TAKE THE CONTINUANCE TO BE IN TERMS OF MY VOTE IS
9:27:20AM TO PUT THE ADMINISTRATION TO GIVE US IDEAS FOR THE YBOR CITY
9:27:25AM AREA.
9:27:25AM THAT WAS THE INTENT OF MY MOTION FOR AN ALL OF THE ABOVE
9:27:30AM APPROACH FOR ALL OF THE NUMBER OF CONSIDERATIONS AND
9:27:33AM PROPOSALS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO FIGHT CRIME AND VIOLENT
9:27:36AM CRIME IN THAT COMMUNITY.
9:27:40AM WILL AN ORDINANCE SOLVE EVERYTHING?
9:27:42AM NO.
9:27:43AM BUT THAT SHOULDN'T STOP US FROM TRYING SO LONG AS WE HAVE
9:27:46AM COMMUNITY INPUT.
9:27:47AM SO LONG AS WE TAKE GOOD MEASURE AND HAVE GREAT PATIENCE AND
9:27:50AM SPEAK TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT IT.
9:27:51AM THAT IS THE MAIN ISSUE.
9:27:53AM THAT'S WHY I DON'T THINK THIS ISSUE IS RIGHT FOR TODAY NO
9:27:56AM MATTER HOW ONE SEES IT BECAUSE IT'S CLEAR WE NEED MORE
9:27:59AM COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ON THIS ISSUE.
9:28:01AM WITHOUT THAT, IT'S NOT RIGHT.
9:28:03AM I THINK THAT'S OPEN AND OBVIOUS FOR EVERYONE.
9:28:05AM AGAIN I'LL DEFER TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:28:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION FOR 40 AND 47
9:28:12AM BECAUSE THEY DO GO TOGETHER.
9:28:13AM I JUST WANT TO SAY BEFORE THAT, THAT I AM -- I AM HEARTENED
9:28:21AM AND PROUD OF THIS COUNCIL AND THE CITY FOR NOT TAKING THE
9:28:25AM EASY WAY OUT.
9:28:26AM I THINK THE EASY WAY OUT IS SIMPLY TO HAVE APPROVED THIS
9:28:30AM ORDINANCE.
9:28:31AM THE HARD THING TO DO IS TO ACTUALLY DO THE WORK AND PROVIDE
9:28:36AM SOMETHING FOR OUR KIDS TO DO, AND THAT'S WHAT ITEM NUMBER 48
9:28:39AM IS THE START OF.
9:28:41AM I'M PROUD THAT WE WERE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH A KNEE-JERK
9:28:47AM REACTION AND INSTEAD REALLY INVEST IN WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS
9:28:50AM BEEN ASKING FOR AND THE WONDERFUL MEETING THAT WAS HELD BY
9:28:54AM CHIEF BERCAW AND OTHERS WHERE WE GOT THAT INPUT.
9:29:00AM I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT.
9:29:02AM I MOVE TO REMOVE ITEM NUMBER 40 AND 47 FROM TODAY'S AGENDA.
9:29:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND MR.
9:29:09AM SHELBY, YOU WANTED TO SPEAK AND THEN COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
9:29:11AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: FIRST OF ALL, COUNCIL, ITEM NUMBER 40 IS A
9:29:18AM PUBLIC HEARING AND IT IS SET FOR 9:30 AND I BELIEVE WE ARE
9:29:21AM ABOUT THERE.
9:29:22AM THAT BEING SAID, IS IT THEN COUNCIL'S DECISION BY ITS MOTION
9:29:28AM TO REMOVE THAT FROM THE AGENDA BUT STILL ALLOW FOR PUBLIC
9:29:32AM COMMENT RATHER THAN DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING --
9:29:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO IT DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT,
9:29:37AM YES.
9:29:37AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF SOMEBODY WISHES TO STILL SPEAK TO IT,
9:29:40AM THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY UNDER GENERAL PUBLIC
9:29:42AM COMMENT.
9:29:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THAT ALL RIGHT?
9:29:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S ABSOLUTELY FINE.
9:29:45AM I THINK WE HAVE LIKE 20 SECONDS BEFORE IT'S 9:30.
9:29:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN WILL SPEAK, SO IT
9:29:51AM WILL ROLL INTO 9:30.
9:29:54AM [ LAUGHTER ]
9:29:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT MAY GO TO 10:30.
9:29:57AM ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD 50.
9:30:00AM THE MEMORANDA THAT CAME OUT TO YOUR MOTION, IF YOU WOULD
9:30:04AM AGREE TO THAT.
9:30:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WAS GOING TO LET COUNCILMAN VIERA MAKE THE
9:30:08AM MOTION BECAUSE HE WANTS TO CONTINUE IT AND HAVE A FURTHER
9:30:10AM CONVERSATION.
9:30:11AM I JUST WANT TO TAKE THESE OFF.
9:30:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WANT TO TAKE 50 OFF TO ROLL IT INTO THE
9:30:16AM BIGGER CONVERSATION.
9:30:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M GOING TO LET COUNCILMAN VIERA HANDLE
9:30:19AM THAT, IF THAT'S OKAY.
9:30:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT BEING SAID, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE, YOU
9:30:26AM KNOW, I DON'T THINK ANY OF THIS WAS A KNEE-JERK REACTION.
9:30:30AM I THINK WE ARE ALL CONSTANTLY COMING HERE AS SEVEN
9:30:33AM INDIVIDUALS AND THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE GREAT STAFF THAT
9:30:34AM WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA LOOKING FOR SOLUTIONS AND NOT
9:30:39AM ONE OF US WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA OR SITTING UP HERE ON
9:30:41AM THIS DAIS ARE PERFECT.
9:30:43AM SO WE'RE ALL SEEKING PERFECTION AND TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT
9:30:50AM THING WHEN WE MOVE THROUGH THESE ISSUES.
9:30:53AM SOMETIMES WE MOVE THE RIGHT WAY, AT LEAST IN THE BEGINNING,
9:30:56AM WE MAY THINK SO.
9:30:58AM WE'RE CONSTANTLY OPEN FOR MORE INFORMATION.
9:31:02AM WE'RE LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY.
9:31:04AM WE'RE LISTENING TO SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS.
9:31:08AM LAW ENFORCEMENT.
9:31:09AM WE'RE LISTENING TO ATTORNEYS GIVING US LEGAL ADVICE.
9:31:13AM AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE APPLAUDED THAT WE'RE ABLE TO PIVOT
9:31:19AM WHEN MORE INFORMATION BECOMES AVAILABLE.
9:31:20AM I THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS DEMONSTRATES IS THIS COUNCIL IS NOT
9:31:24AM ENTRENCHED IN ONE DIRECTION, THAT WE'RE WILLING TO LISTEN TO
9:31:28AM ALL POINTS OF VIEW.
9:31:30AM AND I THINK THAT WE'RE CONSTANTLY SEEKING THE BEST SOLUTION
9:31:34AM TO SOLVE SOME VERY SERIOUS AND REAL PROBLEMS.
9:31:38AM DOES ANYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE TODAY SOLVE A PROBLEM?
9:31:40AM NO.
9:31:41AM BUT HOPEFULLY AS WE CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION AND LOOKING
9:31:45AM FORWARD TO COUNCILMAN VIERA'S MOTION TO LOOK FOR MORE OF A
9:31:50AM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO END OR TO MINIMIZE VIOLENT CRIME IN
9:31:53AM THE CITY OF TAMPA, HOPEFULLY WE'LL MOVE TO THAT END AND
9:31:57AM WE'LL MAKE THIS A BETTER PLACE FOR EVERYBODY.
9:32:01AM I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THE COUNCIL IS MOVING IN THIS
9:32:03AM DIRECTION.
9:32:03AM I KNOW THE PUBLIC IS AS WELL.
9:32:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE NEED TO INVEST IN OUR YOUTH, NOT
9:32:08AM CRIMINALIZE THEM.
9:32:09AM MR. SHELBY.
9:32:10AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:32:12AM WITH REGARD TO REMOVING ITEM 47, AS PART OF THAT MOTION YOU
9:32:15AM HAVE SOME MEMORANDUM TO BE RECEIVED AND FILED.
9:32:17AM WOULD THAT BE ROLLED INTO THAT AS WELL?
9:32:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
9:32:20AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
9:32:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN
9:32:22AM HURTAK.
9:32:22AM WE HAD A SECOND.
9:32:24AM LET'S DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
9:32:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
9:32:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES.
9:32:30AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
9:32:32AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
9:32:33AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
9:32:34AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
9:32:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
9:32:37AM >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
9:32:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, DID YOU WANT TO
9:32:42AM MAKE A MOTION REGARDING THE NEXT ONE?
9:32:45AM >>LUIS VIERA: MY MOTION ON ITEM NUMBER 50 IS TO HAVE IT
9:32:48AM CONTINUED AND TO HAVE THE ADMINISTRATION REPORT TO US ON AN
9:32:55AM ALL OF THE ABOVE FOR POTENTIAL CONSIDERATION, SOLUTIONS FOR
9:32:58AM VIOLENT CRIME AS WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING HERE IN TAMPA CITY
9:33:01AM COUNCIL.
9:33:02AM AND I REALLY, REALLY WANT A ROBUST RESPONSE.
9:33:05AM THEREFORE I THINK A DECENT AMOUNT OF TIME SHOULD BE GIVEN.
9:33:08AM COUNCIL, ARE YOU ALL THINKING ABOUT 45 DAYS, 60 DAYS, 90
9:33:12AM DAYS?
9:33:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 60 DAYS.
9:33:14AM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
9:33:15AM HOW ABOUT THE FIRST WEEK -- THE LAST WEEK OF MARCH OF 2024.
9:33:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S FINE.
9:33:26AM SPRING BREAK --
9:33:28AM >>LUIS VIERA: YEAH, BECAUSE, AGAIN, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
9:33:32AM WE CONSIDER ALL PROPOSALS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT ON.
9:33:34AM I THINK ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE BEEN OPEN TO ALL PROPOSALS
9:33:37AM TO VARYING DEGREES.
9:33:38AM I THINK THE MAJOR OBJECTION HAS BEEN THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD
9:33:41AM ENOUGH TIME TO, NUMBER ONE, FLESH THESE ISSUES OUT TO
9:33:44AM DISCUSS IT WITH THE COMMUNITY AND TO DISCUSS OTHER
9:33:47AM ALTERNATIVES THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED ALONG WITH MEASURES THAT
9:33:50AM COULD BE MORE POTENTIALLY CAUSTIC IN NATURE.
9:33:54AM I THINK THAT SHOULD GIVE US TIME TO CONSIDER ALL THESE
9:33:58AM ISSUES.
9:33:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY, YES.
9:34:00AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: QUESTION, MR. VIERA, WITH REGARD TO ITEM
9:34:03AM 50, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE CONTINUING IT, IF YOU COULD
9:34:06AM CLARIFY BECAUSE IN TERMS OF NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC, IT SAYS
9:34:10AM ADDITIONAL INVESTMENTS IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA, NOT SPECIFYING
9:34:13AM WHAT THAT IMMEDIATE AREA IS.
9:34:15AM >>LUIS VIERA: THAT MOTION WAS ORIGINALLY GEARED TOWARDS VM
9:34:19AM YBOR, AND THAT'S THE CHALLENGE.
9:34:21AM IF I HEAR COUNCIL RIGHT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VIOLENT CRIME
9:34:24AM THROUGHOUT ALL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:34:25AM SO HOW ABOUT THIS, COUNCIL.
9:34:27AM WE CAN KEEP THIS HERE BECAUSE IT IS FOR VM YBOR.
9:34:30AM I SEE SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY HERE, AND THAT IS
9:34:33AM A NEW MOTION, RIGHT, THAT WILL ADDRESS VIOLENT CRIME
9:34:38AM THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF TAMPA, INCLUDING YBOR CITY.
9:34:40AM SO 50 STAYS ON THE AGENDA, BECAUSE I DO SEE PEOPLE HERE FOR
9:34:44AM THAT ITEM.
9:34:45AM AND THAT WAS A NARROWLY TAILORED ITEM.
9:34:48AM THAT'S AN AMENDED MOTION.
9:34:51AM THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.
9:34:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
9:34:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK: CHIEF BERCAW SAID HE WILL NOT BE HERE TODAY.
9:34:58AM ALL WE WILL BE DOING IS ACCEPTING A REPORT.
9:35:01AM >>LUIS VIERA: YOU'RE RIGHT.
9:35:04AM HE DID SAY THAT.
9:35:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION?
9:35:10AM I THINK WE DO NEED TO REMOVE 50 FROM THE AGENDA.
9:35:14AM IT IS LIMITED.
9:35:15AM YOU SAW THE MEMO WHICH TO BE HONEST WITH YOU WAS NOT WORTH
9:35:20AM ANYTHING IT WAS WRITTEN ON.
9:35:22AM I THINK THE ISSUES THAT ARE CONTAINED WITHIN ITEM 50 SHOULD
9:35:26AM BE ROLLED INTO YOUR NEW MOTION AND HAVE IT CITYWIDE.
9:35:32AM I THINK THESE ISSUES ARE IMPORTANT, AND I THINK JUST AS WE
9:35:36AM TALKED, AS COUNCILMAN MIRANDA TALKED ABOUT, THIS IS NOT JUST
9:35:39AM ABOUT YBOR.
9:35:41AM THESE ISSUES ARE NOT JUST ABOUT VM EITHER.
9:35:43AM THESE ISSUES ARE AFFECTING MANY PARTS OF THE CITY AND I
9:35:46AM THINK WE NEED TO BE ON TOP OF THIS AND I THINK WE NEED TO AS
9:35:49AM A COUNCIL HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
9:35:51AM I'M DONE.
9:35:54AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY I MAKE A SUGGESTION WITH REGARD TO ITEM
9:35:59AM 50?
9:35:59AM THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HERE, PERHAPS AFTER PUBLIC
9:36:02AM COMMENT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE TIME.
9:36:04AM >>LUIS VIERA: THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ACTUALLY SAY.
9:36:07AM I'LL HOLD THAT OFF BECAUSE, AGAIN, I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE
9:36:10AM PUBLIC.
9:36:11AM IF PEOPLE ARE HERE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE ITEM, WE OUGHT TO
9:36:15AM HAVE DISCUSSION.
9:36:16AM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN WE HAVE THE MOTION, THE ONE ABOUT THE
9:36:22AM FUTURE.
9:36:22AM >>LUIS VIERA: WHETHER OR NOT WE REMOVE 50, I HEREBY REMAKE
9:36:25AM MY ORIGINAL MOTION.
9:36:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
9:36:29AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
9:36:31AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THE MOTION RESTATED
9:36:34AM AND THE DATE AGAIN.
9:36:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET'S DO WORDSMITH SO WE GET IT RIGHT THE
9:36:43AM FIRST TIME.
9:36:43AM >>LUIS VIERA: I'LL WAIT UNTIL AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:36:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 48 AND 51, STILL TALK ABOUT THE
9:36:49AM $280,000.
9:36:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN I HAVE THOSE HEARD TOGETHER?
9:36:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE IT HERE.
9:36:55AM 48 AND 51 WILL BE HEARD TOGETHER.
9:36:57AM LET ME MAKE A NOTE.
9:36:59AM WE WILL HEAR THAT TOGETHER.
9:37:05AM WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 53.
9:37:08AM WE HAVE A REQUEST FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON TO CONTINUE
9:37:11AM ITEM 53 TO JUNE 20th.
9:37:14AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
9:37:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON,
9:37:18AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:37:20AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:37:20AM AYE.
9:37:20AM >>BILL CARLSON: ITEM 52 AT LEAST AS OF LAST NIGHT DID NOT
9:37:24AM HAVE A DETAILED REPORT.
9:37:26AM I DID NOT MAKE THE MOTION.
9:37:27AM I GUESS I SECONDED IT, BUT I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO COUNCIL
9:37:30AM MEMBER VIERA, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE IT SO WE GET A
9:37:33AM ROBUST REPORT IN ADVANCE OF THIS.
9:37:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YEAH, BECAUSE TAMPA FIRE IS NOT EVEN --
9:37:39AM >>LUIS VIERA: I'M GOING TO CONTINUE THAT UNTIL NEXT WEEK
9:37:43AM WHEN WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT FIRE STATIONS.
9:37:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM 52 IS BEING CONTINUED BY COUNCILMAN
9:37:48AM VIERA UNTIL NEXT THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 1.
9:37:51AM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:37:53AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:37:53AM UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
9:37:54AM LASTLY, ITEM 58, COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON WISHES TO CONTINUE
9:37:58AM THIS TO FEBRUARY 1st AND TO BE HEARD FIRST UNDER STAFF
9:38:01AM REPORTS.
9:38:02AM IS THAT CORRECT?
9:38:03AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES, SAME THING.
9:38:05AM NOT A BACKUP REPORT.
9:38:08AM SO MOVE.
9:38:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS IS TO CONTINUE ITEM 58 TO FEBRUARY
9:38:11AM 1st AND HAVE IT PLACED FIRST UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
9:38:16AM >>BILL CARLSON: LET ME ASK, SO THE MOTION IS TO MOVE ITEM 58
9:38:20AM TO WHAT DATE?
9:38:21AM FEBRUARY 1st, TO PUT IT FIRST IN STAFF REPORTS AND TO
9:38:26AM RECEIVE AND FILE THE PRESENTATION TODAY SO THE PUBLIC CAN
9:38:30AM SEE IT AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FULL REPORT AND
9:38:34AM PRESENTATION IS IN OnBase BY 5:00 ON FRIDAY SO THAT THE
9:38:40AM WEEK BEFORE THIS ITEM SO THE PUBLIC CAN SEE IT.
9:38:43AM IT WOULD NEED TO BE THIS FRIDAY BY 5.
9:38:49AM THE FULL REPORT BY THIS FRIDAY AT 5.
9:38:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I SEE A THUMBS UP FROM MR. ROGERO.
9:38:54AM MOTION FROM CARLSON AND SECOND FROM VIERA.
9:38:57AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:38:58AM AYE.
9:38:59AM I'LL GO THROUGH STAFF REPORTS AND THEN KICK OFF CEREMONY AND
9:39:09AM PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:39:10AM THERE IS NO ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE.
9:39:11AM IS THAT CORRECT, CHIEF BENNETT?
9:39:12AM NO ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE?
9:39:19AM >>JOHN BENNETT: JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
9:39:21AM GOOD MORNING TO THE PUBLIC.
9:39:23AM I DO NOT HAVE ONE BECAUSE OF THE ROBUST AGENDA BUT I WANTED
9:39:26AM TO FORECAST ONE POSSIBLY NEXT WEEK IF COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
9:39:29AM I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO COUNCIL ABOUT THE CIP VIEWER.
9:39:32AM AND THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE ABOUT PARSING SOME OF THE
9:39:35AM INFORMATION BY DOLLAR AMOUNT.
9:39:36AM I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN MAY HAVE SAID IT OR COUNCIL
9:39:39AM MEMBER HURTAK.
9:39:41AM I HAD GIS WORK ON THAT AND I SAW A PROTOTYPE THE OTHER DAY.
9:39:45AM SO I WANTED TO DEMO IT FOR THE PUBLIC BECAUSE IT IS ANOTHER
9:39:49AM WAY TO PARSE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THROUGH THE
9:39:51AM GIS SYSTEM.
9:39:53AM IT WOULD TAKE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES.
9:39:54AM WE'LL DO THAT NEXT THURSDAY.
9:39:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
9:39:57AM ITEM 44, WOULD YOU LIKE STAFF PRESENT?
9:39:59AM THIS IS MR. BAIRD.
9:40:01AM STAFF PRESENT FOR 44?
9:40:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T THINK -- PERSONALLY, I DON'T THINK
9:40:07AM IT'S NECESSARY.
9:40:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO WE WILL NOT HAVE MR. BAIRD FOR 44
9:40:10AM PRESENT.
9:40:11AM ITEM NUMBER 45.
9:40:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES AND 6.
9:40:14AM THEY GO TOGETHER.
9:40:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, 45 AND 46 WE WANT STAFF PRESENT.
9:40:18AM WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT 47.
9:40:20AM WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT 48.
9:40:21AM 49.
9:40:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
9:40:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
9:40:26AM ITEM NUMBER 50, COUNCILMAN VIERA, ARE YOU GOING TO BRING
9:40:30AM THAT UP AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT?
9:40:32AM ITEM 51, YES.
9:40:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH, IT -- 51 GOES WITH 48.
9:40:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
9:40:39AM ITEM NUMBER 54.
9:40:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK: DID YOU WANT TO MOVE THAT, MR. VIERA?
9:40:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DID YOU WANT TO MOVE THAT TO NEXT FRIDAY
9:40:49AM -- SORRY, NEXT THURSDAY?
9:40:55AM >>BILL CARLSON: I MOVE TO CONTINUE THIS UNTIL NEXT WEEK.
9:40:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO CONTINUE 54 TO FEBRUARY 1st.
9:41:00AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:41:01AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:41:02AM AYE.
9:41:03AM ITEM NUMBER 55.
9:41:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS IS THAT TOUGH ONE.
9:41:18AM I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM STAFF ON THAT.
9:41:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 55 IS A YES.
9:41:23AM ITEM NUMBER 56.
9:41:24AM ANYBODY?
9:41:27AM NO.
9:41:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WOULD LIKE TO -- I MEAN, THE MEMO IS
9:41:35AM TALKING ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AND I THINK
9:41:37AM THE PUBLIC WOULD PROBABLY LIKE TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
9:41:40AM IT.
9:41:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YEAH, ME, TOO.
9:41:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MEMO.
9:41:44AM ITEM 57.
9:41:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK: ITEM 57, I HAVE SPOKEN WITH MR. ROGERO AND WE
9:41:57AM HAVE A MEMORANDUM, BUT WHAT HASN'T HAPPENED IS THEY HAVEN'T
9:42:01AM HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO THE COUNTY YET, SO WE WERE GOING TO
9:42:04AM CONTINUE THAT ITEM.
9:42:06AM DO YOU HAVE A DATE, MR. ROGERO, THAT YOU WANTED TO -- I WANT
9:42:09AM TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE REPORT, BUT THEN ALSO MAKE A MOTION
9:42:12AM TO CONTINUE UNTIL WE HEAR FROM THE COUNTY, WHICH DO YOU HAVE
9:42:17AM A DATE OR A POSSIBLE DATE?
9:42:21AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
9:42:24AM IT WOULD BE I BELIEVE THE CITY COUNCIL DATE OF MARCH 7.
9:42:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN I GET A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM 57
9:42:30AM TO MARCH 7?
9:42:30AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:42:32AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:42:33AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:42:34AM AYE.
9:42:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT WAS A GOOD MEMO, BY THE WAY.
9:42:37AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU.
9:42:38AM I APPRECIATE THAT.
9:42:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM 59, YES, WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF
9:42:42AM E-MAILS ON THIS, CORRECT.
9:42:44AM ITEM 59, STEPHEN BENSON IS A YES.
9:42:46AM YES ON 59.
9:42:48AM THAT TAKES CARE OF THE AGENDA.
9:42:49AM ANYTHING ELSE, MR. SHELBY?
9:42:51AM WE SHORTENED IT UP.
9:42:52AM I'M JUST KIDDING.
9:42:54AM WE'LL BE HERE UNTIL MIDNIGHT.
9:42:56AM LET'S GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AND ADDENDUM.
9:43:00AM MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON AND SECOND FROM
9:43:03AM CLENDENIN.
9:43:03AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:43:05AM AYE.
9:43:05AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE
9:43:08AM CITY COUNCIL, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, MARTIN SHELBY, THE CITY
9:43:11AM COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
9:43:15AM GOOD MORNING.
9:43:15AM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE ALLOWED A REASONABLE OPPORTUNITY
9:43:18AM AT THE BEGINNING OF TODAY'S COUNCIL MEETING TO ADDRESS ANY
9:43:21AM ITEM ON THE AGENDA BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL TAKES OFFICIAL
9:43:24AM ACTION ON AN ITEM.
9:43:25AM A THREE-MINUTE TIME LIMIT APPLIES TO ALL SPEAKERS PROVIDING
9:43:30AM PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:43:32AM SPEAKERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE REMINDED, PLEASE,
9:43:36AM THAT THEY ARE TO REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING
9:43:40AM MAKING VULGAR OR THREATENING REMARKS OR MAKING OR CAUSING
9:43:44AM DISRUPTIVE NOISE OR SOUNDS OR DISPLAYING SIGNS OR GRAPHICS.
9:43:47AM SPEAKERS ARE ALSO REMINDED TO REFRAIN FROM LAUNCHING
9:43:50AM PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST ANY CITY OFFICIAL, STAFF MEMBER, OR
9:43:53AM A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.
9:43:55AM THE CHAIR WILL RULE OUT OF ORDER ANY PERSON WHO SPEAKS
9:43:59AM WITHOUT BEING RECOGNIZED OR ATTEMPTS TO ADDRESS THE CITY
9:44:02AM COUNCIL FROM OUTSIDE THE SPEAKER AREA AT THE PODIUM.
9:44:06AM PERSONS FAILING TO COMPLY WITH THE CITY COUNCIL'S RULES MAY
9:44:09AM ALSO BE RULED OUT OF ORDER AND AT THE DISCRETION OF THE
9:44:12AM CHAIR MAY BE REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBERS FOR THE REMAINDER OF
9:44:16AM THAT DAY'S MEETING.
9:44:17AM IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM SET FOR A PUBLIC HEARING,
9:44:21AM FOR INSTANCE, ITEM NUMBER 40 HAS BEEN TAKEN OFF THE AGENDA,
9:44:25AM BUT YOU CAN STILL SPEAK TO IT DURING PUBLIC COMMENT WITH
9:44:28AM REGARD TO ITEM 42, THE ALCOHOL BEVERAGE SUSPENSION HEARING
9:44:34AM FOR GRAND CATHEDRAL CIGARS, THAT IS SET FOR SOME TIME AFTER
9:44:37AM 1:30, AND YOU WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THAT
9:44:41AM ITEM AT THAT PUBLIC HEARING AT THAT TIME.
9:44:44AM YOU'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY WHEN IT'S HEARD LATER IN THE
9:44:47AM AGENDA.
9:44:47AM NO PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE TAKEN LATER DURING STAFF REPORTS.
9:44:51AM IF IT'S ANYTHING THAT'S ON THE STAFF REPORT SECTION OF THE
9:44:53AM AGENDA, NOW IS YOUR TIME TO SPEAK.
9:44:55AM THE TIME TO SPEAK TO THOSE ITEMS AND ITEMS ON THE CONSENT
9:44:57AM AGENDA IS NOW DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT, GENERAL PUBLIC
9:45:00AM COMMENT.
9:45:01AM THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO LET YOUR POSITION BE KNOWN TO
9:45:04AM CITY COUNCIL.
9:45:05AM FINALLY, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD
9:45:08AM REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING A SPEAKER UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:45:12AM AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD ALSO BE AWARE THAT CITY COUNCIL DOES
9:45:15AM NOT TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS OR HAVE A DIALOGUE DURING GENERAL
9:45:18AM PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:45:19AM AGAIN, THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS YOUR POSITION.
9:45:23AM THANK YOU.
9:45:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:45:24AM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
9:45:25AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND COUNCIL.
9:45:35AM IT'S A REAL PLEASURE TO BE HERE TODAY.
9:45:38AM AN HONOR TO BE HERE TODAY FOR INTERNATIONAL HOLOCAUST
9:45:41AM REMEMBRANCE DAY WHICH WILL TAKE PLACE TWO DAYS FROM NOW.
9:45:45AM WE HAVE VERY DISTINGUISHED GUESTS HERE, INCLUDING ELIZABETH,
9:45:48AM UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA STUDENT AND HELLO MEMBER.
9:45:52AM JEFFREY BURGER, PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA JCC AND FEDERATION.
9:45:55AM MR. JOE PROBASCO, WHO IS FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA JCC
9:46:01AM FEDERATION.
9:46:01AM MR. MARK SEGEL WITH THE JCC.
9:46:02AM PAM GARRON WITH THE JCC.
9:46:05AM AND SYLVIE FEINSMITH WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA.
9:46:08AM ORIGINALLY, COUNCIL MEMBERS, THIS WAS GOING TO BE TO ALLOW A
9:46:12AM VERY, VERY SPECIAL MAN AND GUEST TO COME SPEAK.
9:46:15AM MR. NAT ROSS, WHO WAS A HOLOCAUST AND AUSCHWITZ SURVIVOR WHO
9:46:21AM RECENTLY JUST BEFORE TURNING 102 YEARS OLD PASSED ON.
9:46:25AM UNFORTUNATELY, MR. ROSS COULD NOT BE HERE.
9:46:27AM MR. ROSS WAS A GENTLEMAN WHOSE LIFE SYMBOLIZED ISSUES SO
9:46:33AM CRITICAL TO US WITH REGARDS TO HOLOCAUST EDUCATION, THE NEED
9:46:36AM TO REMEMBER AND ALWAYS COMMEMORATE.
9:46:38AM MR. NAT ROSS WAS A GENTLEMAN WHO AT THE AGE OF 17 LIVED IN A
9:46:42AM HAPPY JEWISH HOME IN POLAND THAT ONE DAY WAS BROKEN UP LIKE
9:46:47AM SO MANY JEWISH HOMES DURING THAT TIME.
9:46:49AM HE HAD NINE SIBLINGS, ALL OF WHOM HE KNEW AND LOVED AND A
9:46:53AM MOTHER AND FATHER.
9:46:54AM HIS FAMILY WAS TAKEN.
9:46:55AM HIS FATHER WOULD BE MURDERED WHEN HIS FAMILY WAS TAKEN AND
9:46:58AM ALL OF HIS FAMILY WOULD BE SENT TO CONCENTRATION CAMPS.
9:47:01AM BY THE END OF THE WAR AFTER SURVIVING AUSCHWITZ AND DEATH
9:47:05AM MARCHES AND TORTURE AND UNSPEAKABLE TERROR, MR. ROSS WOULD
9:47:09AM FIND HIS MOTHER WAS ALSO MURDERED AND FIVE OF HIS NINE
9:47:12AM SIBLINGS WOULD ALSO BE MURDERED DURING THE HOLOCAUST.
9:47:15AM AFTER THE HOLOCAUST, MR. ROSS WOULD GO ON TO MAKE A LIFE FOR
9:47:18AM HIMSELF, INCLUDING WORKING AS A GARMENT WORKER IN NEW YORK
9:47:24AM CITY AND A WIFE OF 70 YEARS.
9:47:26AM HE WAS A VERY GOOD MAN.
9:47:28AM I WOULD ASK, BY THE WAY, FOR OUR I.T. DEPARTMENT, I ALSO
9:47:32AM SENT PHOTOGRAPHS OF MR. ROSS, IF YOU COULD PUT THEM THERE
9:47:35AM FOR THE PUBLIC.
9:47:35AM HE WAS A VERY, VERY SPECIAL MAN, THE KIND OF MAN THAT WHEN
9:47:40AM YOU SHOOK HIS HAND AND GAVE HIM A HUG, BECAME HIS FRIEND,
9:47:45AM GAVE YOU A DUTY TO SPEAK UP ON ISSUES LIKE ANTI-SEMITISM.
9:47:50AM HE KNEW WE LIVED IN A TIME OF CHARLOTTESVILLE, THE TREE OF
9:47:53AM LIFE SYNAGOGUE AND ANTI-SEMITISM.
9:47:56AM THAT'S WHAT HE DEDICATED HIS LIFE TO.
9:47:59AM WE MISS HIM, MOURN HIM AND HONOR HIS LIFE AND WHAT HE STOOD
9:48:04AM FOR.
9:48:04AM I HAND THIS OFF TO ELIZABETH, UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA
9:48:08AM STUDENT AND HELLO MEMBER AND GRANDDAUGHTER OF A LIVING
9:48:10AM SURVIVOR OF THE HOLOCAUST.
9:48:12AM SORRY, MR. JEFFREY BURGER.
9:48:18AM PARDON ME.
9:48:21AM >> CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, GOOD MORNING,
9:48:24AM AND THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU
9:48:28AM AND OUR FELLOW TAMPA RESIDENTS TODAY.
9:48:30AM COUNCILMAN VIERA, THANK YOU FOR YOUR KIND INTRODUCTION AND
9:48:33AM THANK YOU ALSO FOR YOUR VERY GRACIOUS AND THOUGHTFUL
9:48:35AM REMEMBRANCE OF NAT ROSS.
9:48:37AM MR. ROSS WAS THE FIRST-PERSON WITNESS TO THE ABSOLUTE WORST
9:48:40AM OF HUMANITY.
9:48:41AM UNTIL A FEW WEEKS AGO, HE WAS A LIVING TESTIMONIAL TO THE
9:48:44AM TRIUMPH OF A STRONG SPIRIT OVER INDESCRIBABLE EVIL.
9:48:49AM IT IS FITTING THAT WE REMEMBER NAT ROSS TODAY IN OUR
9:48:51AM OBSERVANCE OF INTERNATIONAL HOLOCAUST REMEMBRANCE DAY.
9:48:55AM AS WE SAY IN JEWISH FAITH, MAY HIS MEMORY BE A BLESSING FOR
9:48:59AM HIS FAMILY, HIS FRIENDS, FOR ALL OF US.
9:49:02AM THIS SATURDAY, JANUARY 27 MARKS INTERNATIONAL HOLOCAUST
9:49:04AM REMEMBRANCE DAY.
9:49:06AM THIS DATE WAS SELECTED BECAUSE IT WAS ON JANUARY 27, 1945,
9:49:09AM THAT THE HELLACIOUS AUSCHWITZ AND BIRKENAU CONCENTRATION
9:49:14AM CAMPS WERE LIBERATED.
9:49:16AM ELIZABETH WILL SPEAK MORE ABOUT THE CAMPS IN A FEW MINUTES.
9:49:19AM THE DAY URGES EVERY MEMBER NATION TO HONOR THE MEMORY OF
9:49:26AM HOLOCAUST VICTIMS.
9:49:27AM 6 MILLION JEWS, ALONG WITH MILLIONS OF OTHER MINORITIES WHO
9:49:30AM WERE MURDERED BY THE NAZIS.
9:49:32AM THE RESOLUTION ALSO ENCOURAGES THE DEVELOPMENT OF
9:49:34AM EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST TO HELP PREVENT
9:49:38AM HISTORY FROM REPEATING ITSELF.
9:49:39AM THE RESOLUTION REJECTS ANY FORM OF HOLOCAUST DENIAL AND
9:49:43AM CONDEMNS ALL MANIFESTATIONS OF RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE,
9:49:47AM INCITEMENT, HARASSMENT OR VIOLENCE AGAINST PERSONS OR
9:49:50AM COMMUNITIES BASED ON ETHNIC ORIGIN OR RELIGIOUS BELIEF
9:49:54AM THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.
9:49:55AM THIS INSPIRATIONAL AND ASPIRATIONAL MESSAGE OF THE U.N.
9:49:58AM RESOLUTION REVERBERATES EVEN MORE TODAY THAN WHEN THE
9:50:02AM RESOLUTION WAS ADOPTED NEARLY 20 YEARS AGO.
9:50:04AM FRIENDS, AS WE REMEMBER, HONOR, AND MOURN THE MILLIONS OF
9:50:08AM LIVES LOST IN THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS, WE ALSO HAVE TO
9:50:12AM REMEMBER THAT THE HOLOCAUST DIDN'T START WITH THE GAS
9:50:14AM CHAMBERS.
9:50:15AM THE CAMPS, THE KILLING FIELDS, THE CREMATORIA AND OTHER
9:50:20AM HORRIFIC MASSACRE FACTORIES DID NOT SPRING UP IN GERMANY AND
9:50:22AM NAZI CONTROLLED CENTRAL EUROPE OVERNIGHT.
9:50:26AM RATHER, THOSE HORRORS WERE THE CULMINATION OF A GRADUALLY
9:50:29AM RISING TIDE OF ANTI-SEMITISM THAT STARTED WELL BEFORE
9:50:32AM WORLD WAR II FIRST WITH RACIST EXTREMISTS SPEWING
9:50:35AM ANTI-JEWISH HATE RANTS WHICH SPARKED OTHER ANTI-SEMITIC
9:50:40AM WHICH GREW INTO PERSONAL ATTACKS ON JEWS AND JEWISH
9:50:45AM COMMUNITIES UNTIL FINALLY WHEN THE NAZIS CAME TO POWER IN
9:50:48AM GERMANY, THIS JEW HATRED BECAME THE DEFINING IDEOLOGY OF THE
9:50:55AM ENTIRE THIRD REICH.
9:50:57AM THE INCREASE IN ANTI-JEWISH HATE SPEECH AND THE NUMBER OF
9:51:03AM ANTI-SEMITIC INCIDENTS HAPPENED LATELY ARE ALARMING TO THE
9:51:07AM JEWISH COMMUNITY.
9:51:08AM WE SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE WAVES OF ATTACKS GO UNCHECKED
9:51:12AM BUT NOW WE KNOW BETTER.
9:51:13AM TODAY, AS WE REMEMBER THE HOLOCAUST AND SEE YET ANOTHER
9:51:16AM RISING TIDE OF ANTI-SEMITISM IN FLORIDA, AMERICA, AND AROUND
9:51:20AM THE WORLD, WE ARE STANDING UP AND WE CONFIRM OUR COMMITMENT.
9:51:23AM NEVER AGAIN.
9:51:25AM MICHAEL EAGLE, THE BOARD CHAIR OF THE FLORIDA HOLOCAUST
9:51:28AM MUSEUM AND CHAIR OF THE FLORIDA COMMISSIONERS TASK FORCE ON
9:51:31AM HOLOCAUST EDUCATION OFTEN SPEAKS OF FOUR CATEGORIES OF
9:51:33AM PEOPLE IN THE HOLOCAUST.
9:51:34AM THERE ARE THE NAZI PERPETRATORS, OF COURSE, THE VICTIMS, THE
9:51:38AM 6 MILLION JEWS AND MILLIONS OF OTHERS WHO PERISHED AT THE
9:51:41AM HANDS OF THE NAZIS.
9:51:42AM THE BYSTANDERS, THOSE WHO DIDN'T PERPETRATE THE CRIMES BUT
9:51:46AM WHO DIDN'T OPPOSE THEM EITHER.
9:51:48AM LAST, BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, THE UPSTANDERS, THOSE WHO
9:51:52AM RECOGNIZE THE EVIL THAT WAS HAPPENING AND WHO STOOD UP FOR
9:51:55AM THE VICTIMS OFTEN AT THEIR OWN PERIL.
9:51:58AM AS WE REMEMBER THE VICTIMS ON THIS HOLOCAUST REMEMBRANCE
9:52:02AM DAY, WE ALSO REMEMBER AND APPRECIATE THE HEROISM OF THE
9:52:07AM UPSTANDERS, THOSE WHO RISKED THEIR LIVES TO SAVE AND PROTECT
9:52:11AM JEWS AND OTHER MINORITIES.
9:52:12AM ALONG SIMILAR LINES, FORTUNATELY WITHOUT QUITE THE SAME
9:52:15AM LEVEL OF RISK OR PERIL, WE RECOGNIZE AND THANK YOU, THE
9:52:19AM MEMBERS OF THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, FOR BEING UPSTANDERS FOR
9:52:22AM OUR LOCAL JEWISH COMMUNITY.
9:52:24AM YOU PASSED A STRONG RESOLUTION AGAINST ANTI-SEMITISM LAST
9:52:27AM YEAR AND MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN VOCAL AND STEADFAST PARTNERS
9:52:30AM WITH US IN OUR FIGHT AGAINST THE RISE OF JEW HATE IN OUR
9:52:34AM COMMUNITY.
9:52:35AM WE APPRECIATE YOUR COURAGE AND MORALITY ON THIS ISSUE AND WE
9:52:38AM CALL UPON ALL CITIZENS OF TAMPA TO FOLLOW YOUR LEAD AND
9:52:41AM BECOME UPSTANDERS IN TODAY'S FIGHT AGAINST RACISM,
9:52:44AM ANTI-SEMITISM, BIGOTRY AND HATRED.
9:52:48AM FINALLY, I WANT TO STRESS THE IMPORTANCE OF HOLOCAUST
9:52:52AM EDUCATION.
9:52:52AM AS TIME PASSES, IT IS INEVITABLE THAT WE ARE LOSING OUR
9:52:58AM EYE-WITNESSES TO THIS AWFUL EPISODE OF HISTORY.
9:53:01AM PEOPLE LIKE NAT ROSS WHO LIVED THROUGH THE HOLOCAUST AND
9:53:04AM WERE ABLE TO GIVE US THEIR PERSONAL, FIRSTHAND ACCOUNTS OF
9:53:08AM WHAT HAPPENED.
9:53:08AM THE TIMES OF ISRAEL RECENTLY REPORTED OF THE HALF MILLION
9:53:12AM HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS THAT WERE ALIVE IN 2000, 20 YEARS AGO,
9:53:16AM HALF OF THEM HAVE NOW PERISHED LEAVING ONLY 272,000
9:53:21AM SURVIVORS ALIVE TODAY.
9:53:23AM WITH OUR SURVIVOR EYE-WITNESSES, IT IS NOW OUR
9:53:26AM RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE OUR GENERATION AND THE
9:53:28AM GENERATIONS THAT FOLLOW US WILL NEVER FORGET THE HOLOCAUST.
9:53:32AM AS THE U.N. RESOLUTION MAKES CLEAR, HOLOCAUST EDUCATION IS
9:53:35AM CRITICAL TO OUR PRIMARY OBJECTIVE WHICH IS TO ENSURE THAT
9:53:39AM NEVER AGAIN TRULY MEANS NEVER AGAIN.
9:53:42AM OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS A SHINING EXAMPLE OF SOMEONE IN THE NEXT
9:53:45AM GENERATION WHO IS EDUCATED ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST AND WHO CAN
9:53:48AM SPEAK ABOUT IT --
9:53:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE SILENCE YOUR PHONES.
9:53:51AM THANK YOU.
9:53:53AM >> -- AND WHO IS EDUCATED ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST AND CAN SPEAK
9:53:55AM ABOUT IT FROM BOTH A HISTORICAL AND PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE.
9:53:59AM THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
9:54:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE SILENCE YOUR PHONES, THANK YOU.
9:54:09AM >> SORRY.
9:54:09AM THAT'S HAPPENING IN NEW YORK CITY RIGHT NOW.
9:54:13AM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
9:54:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK.
9:54:15AM YOU'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK.
9:54:17AM YOU WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK.
9:54:19AM THANK YOU.
9:54:20AM YOU'RE OUT OF ORDER, SIR.
9:54:25AM YOU'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK.
9:54:28AM YES, MA'AM.
9:54:29AM >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
9:54:31AM THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY.
9:54:33AM AS A MEMBER OF THE LAST GENERATION WHO WILL PERSONALLY KNOW
9:54:36AM A HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR, I FELT IT WAS MY DUTY AS ONE OF MY
9:54:40AM PEERS PUT IT, TO TAKE THE BEST TRIP YOU NEVER WANT TO TAKE
9:54:43AM AGAIN.
9:54:44AM MY NAME IS ELIZABETH.
9:54:45AM I AM A SENIOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA, AND I AM
9:54:48AM THE PRODUCT OF SURVIVAL.
9:54:51AM BEFORE I BEGIN, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO REMEMBER AN
9:54:54AM INCREDIBLE MAN AND MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY, NAT ROSS.
9:54:57AM THE DAY I WAS MADE AWARE OF NAT'S PASSING I HAD JUST
9:55:01AM FINISHED BEARING WITNESS TO THE ATROCITIES TAKING PLACE IN
9:55:05AM NAZI CONCENTRATION CAMPS ACROSS POLAND.
9:55:08AM I'D LIKE TO THINK THAT HIS SPIRIT HELD ON UNTIL HE KNEW I
9:55:14AM WOULD COME BACK AND CONTINUE HIS LEGACY.
9:55:16AM MAY HIS MEMORY ALWAYS BE A BLESSING.
9:55:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:55:20AM >> I WAS RAISED BY A HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR IN A ROBUST JEWISH
9:55:23AM COMMUNITY.
9:55:23AM MY GRANDMOTHER ENSURED THAT WE ALWAYS KNEW OUR HISTORY,
9:55:26AM WHETHER IT WAS THROUGH THE BEDTIME STORIES SHE CHOSE TO TELL
9:55:29AM US OR THE SPEECHES SHE GAVE TO STUDENTS ACROSS THE STATE.
9:55:33AM NEVER AGAIN WOULD HER VOICE BE SILENCED.
9:55:36AM I FELT MY KNOWLEDGE ON THE SUBJECT WAS SUFFICIENT.
9:55:38AM I HAD BEEN TO HOLOCAUST MUSEUMS.
9:55:40AM I KNEW THE WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHERE, WHY, AND HOW.
9:55:44AM FOR MANY YEARS I ASKED MYSELF WHY ANY JEW WOULD WILLINGLY
9:55:50AM STEP BACK INTO A CONCENTRATION CAMP, A PLACE THAT
9:55:52AM REPRESENTED THE DARKEST PERIOD IN NOT ONLY JEWISH HISTORY
9:55:55AM BUT HUMAN HISTORY.
9:55:56AM AND THEN I WAS PRESENTED WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO
9:55:58AM POLAND.
9:55:59AM GROWING UP I REMEMBER MY GRANDMOTHER TELLING ME THAT IT
9:56:03AM WASN'T THE COLD THAT WOULD GET YOU.
9:56:05AM IT WAS THE WIND AND THE RAIN.
9:56:07AM AS A STOOD ON THE AUSCHWITZ TRAIN TRACKS WRAPPED IN MY
9:56:12AM GRANDMOTHER'S THICK BLACK FUR COAT, I FINALLY UNDERSTOOD
9:56:15AM WHAT SHE MEANT.
9:56:17AM SENDS A BONE-CHILLING SHIVER DOWN THE SPINE THAT I CAN
9:56:19AM BARELY PUT INTO WORDS AND YET THE ONLY THOUGHT RUSHING
9:56:22AM THROUGH MY HEAD WAS HOW ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH DID THEY DO
9:56:26AM THIS WITH NO SHOES, NO COAT, NO SCARVES, NO JACKETS, AND NO
9:56:31AM GLOVES.
9:56:32AM I SPENT A MERE SIX HOURS IN THIS PLACE WHEN PEOPLE I KNOW
9:56:35AM AND LOVE HAD TO SPEND DAYS, WEEKS, MONTHS, AND EVEN YEARS IN
9:56:40AM THE WORST CONDITIONS EUROPE HAD EVER KNOWN.
9:56:43AM IT WAS ONLY AFTER THIS EXPERIENCE THAT I FULLY UNDERSTOOD
9:56:45AM WHY PEOPLE TAKE THIS TRIP.
9:56:48AM IT IS VERY SIMPLE AND CAN BE SUMMED UP INTO THREE WORDS.
9:56:51AM I WALKED OUT.
9:56:53AM THIS TRIP WAS NOT FOR PLEASURE.
9:56:55AM IT WAS NOT FOR RELAXATION.
9:56:57AM IT WAS TO ABSORB THE RESILIENCE AND STRENGTH OF THE JEWISH
9:57:00AM PEOPLE.
9:57:00AM IT WAS SO I COULD WALK OUT OF THERE WITH MY HEAD HELD HIGH
9:57:05AM AND UNBREAKABLE JEWISH RESOLVE WITH INTENTIONALLY PLACED
9:57:09AM STAR OF DAVID ON MY NECK FOR THE 6 MILLION WHO COULD NOT.
9:57:12AM FOR THE 6 MILLION THAT HAD NO VOICE.
9:57:14AM 6 MILLION WHOSE FUTURE WAS STOLEN FROM THEM AND FOR THE 6
9:57:18AM MILLION WHO COULD NOT HAVE A GRANDCHILD STANDING HERE TODAY
9:57:21AM TELLING THEIR STORY.
9:57:22AM MY NAME IS ELIZABETH.
9:57:23AM I'M A 21-YEAR-OLD JEWISH COLLEGE EDUCATED WOMAN, AND I AM
9:57:27AM THE PRODUCT OF SURVIVAL.
9:57:29AM THANK YOU.
9:57:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:57:36AM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCIL MEMBERS, IF ANYONE --
9:57:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:57:40AM THANK YOU, SIR.
9:57:43AM ALL RIGHT.
9:57:43AM ITEM NUMBER 2, COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:58:10AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. CHAIRMAN AND HONORABLE MEMBERS OF
9:58:12AM TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, THESE THINGS ARE REOCCURRING EVERY YEAR
9:58:16AM AND MAYBE WE BECOME USED TO IT.
9:58:19AM FINANCING ACCOUNTING OFFICE THE CERTIFICATE OF COMPLIANCE
9:58:25AM THAT THEY HAVE DONE YEAR IN.
9:58:29AM RATHER HAVE IT AS A HABIT THAN NOT BEING A THING WE DO EVERY
9:58:34AM YEAR.
9:58:34AM WITH THIS HABIT, IT IS A PLEASURE THAT THE TAMPA CITY
9:58:36AM COUNCIL PRESENT THIS COMMENDATION TO YOU IN RECOGNITION OF
9:58:40AM RECEIVING THE CERTIFICATE OF ACHIEVEMENT FOR EXCELLENCE IN
9:58:45AM FINANCIAL REPORTING FROM THE GOVERNMENTAL FINANCE OFFICERS
9:58:47AM ASSOCIATION OF THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA.
9:58:50AM THE CERTIFICATE OF ACHIEVEMENT IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF
9:58:53AM RECOGNITION IN AREA OF GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTING AND FINANCIAL
9:58:56AM REPORTING AND ATTAINMENT SYMBOLIZES A SIGNIFICANT
9:58:59AM ACCOMPLISHMENT BY GOVERNMENTAL OFFICES AND ITS MANAGEMENT.
9:59:02AM IT IS INDICATIVE OF THE COMPETENCE AND LEVEL OF A
9:59:06AM PROFESSIONAL DEMONSTRATED BY YOUR OFFICE, MEANS THE CITY OF
9:59:09AM TAMPA, ESPECIALLY IN THE 35th CONSECUTIVE YEAR OF THE CITY
9:59:12AM OF TAMPA RECEIVING THIS AWARD, AND WE ARE ALL PROUD OF YOU.
9:59:16AM 35 YEARS.
9:59:17AM NO ONE HAS EVER SERVED 35 YEARS ON CITY COUNCIL, BUT THEY DO
9:59:22AM HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPRECIATION FOR 35 YEARS.
9:59:25AM SO I'M HONORED TO SAY THAT AND I HAVE THE CHIEF FINANCIAL
9:59:28AM OFFICER HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WORK IN HIS
9:59:32AM OFFICE AND WHAT HAPPENS AND HOW THEY DO IT.
9:59:35AM THIS IS DONE IN RECOGNITION FROM ANOTHER AGENCY CHECKING UP
9:59:39AM ON US.
9:59:40AM WE DON'T WRITE OUR OWN REPORTS.
9:59:42AM SOMEONE WRITES IT FOR US.
9:59:43AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
9:59:45AM DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
9:59:47AM VERY, VERY PROUD ONCE AGAIN TO RECEIVE THIS AWARD.
9:59:50AM AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, THE GOVERNMENT FINANCE OFFICERS
9:59:52AM ASSOCIATION IS THE PREMIER GOVERNMENTAL FINANCE ORGANIZATION
9:59:56AM IN NORTH AMERICA, AND THEY DON'T JUST SET IT AND FORGET IT,
10:00:01AM AS THE PROFESSIONALS BEHIND ME CAN ATTEST TO.
10:00:04AM IT DOESN'T GET NEARLY AS MUCH ATTENTION AND DISCUSSION AS
10:00:08AM THE BUDGET BECAUSE THE BUDGET IS ALWAYS ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE
10:00:10AM GOING TO DO IN THE FUTURE.
10:00:12AM BUT THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AND THE CRITERIA THAT THESE
10:00:15AM PROFESSIONALS HAVE TO MEET ARE RETROSPECTIVE.
10:00:19AM DID WE DO EVERYTHING WE SAID WE'RE GOING TO DO?
10:00:22AM ARE THE NUMBERS ACCURATE?
10:00:24AM RELOOKING AT THE CRITERIA, REFRESHING MY MEMORY AND FULL
10:00:27AM DISCLOSURE IS BOLDED AS A REQUIREMENT TO RECEIVE THIS AWARD.
10:00:33AM IT'S NOT THE SIMPLEST INFORMATION, BUT AS COUNCILMAN MIRANDA
10:00:36AM SAID, WE DON'T WRITE IT OURSELVES.
10:00:40AM THERE'S ANONYMOUS NATIONWIDE REVIEWERS THAT LOOK AT
10:00:43AM FINANCIAL STATEMENTS TO AWARD THIS.
10:00:45AM CONGRATULATIONS TO THIS TEAM BEHIND ME.
10:00:47AM AGAIN, I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF REPRESENTING THEM, BUT IT'S
10:00:51AM THEIR EFFORTS THAT ASSURES YOU, THAT ASSURES THE MAYOR AND
10:00:54AM THAT ASSURES THE PUBLIC THAT EVERYTHING YOU'VE SAID TO DO
10:00:58AM WITH THE FUNDING WE'RE DOING WITH THE FUNDING.
10:01:01AM I WOULD LIKE TO BRIEFLY INTRODUCE THE CHIEF ACCOUNTANT,
10:01:03AM LEE HUFFSTUTLER.
10:01:07AM CONGRATULATIONS YOU ALL.
10:01:09AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:01:09AM [ APPLAUSE ]
10:01:10AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I MAY, I WOULD LIKE THE REST OF THE
10:01:15AM INDIVIDUALS OF THIS FINE GROUP THAT MAKES IT SO WELL TO SAY
10:01:20AM THEIR NAME.
10:01:21AM I WANT THEM TO BE SURE THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO GO BACK IN
10:01:24AM HISTORY.
10:01:26AM 35 YEARS IS A LONG TIME --
10:01:28AM >> HONORABLE CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
10:01:30AM THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.
10:01:31AM THANK YOU, MR. MIRANDA AND THANK YOU, MR. ROGERO.
10:01:34AM I'LL BRIEFLY INTRODUCE THE TEAM.
10:01:35AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO INTRODUCE
10:01:38AM THEMSELVES.
10:01:38AM >> LEE HUFFSTUTLER.
10:01:42AM >> ACCOUNTANT TWO, CALVIN SOUTHWELL.
10:01:45AM >> ACCOUNTANT TWO, NANCY.
10:01:48AM >> CHRIS, ACCOUNTANT TWO.
10:01:51AM >> SABRINA, ACCOUNTING OPERATIONS MANAGER.
10:01:57AM >> PAMELA McCARTER, ACCOUNTING SUPERVISOR.
10:02:02AM >> LAPASHA GIBBS, ACCOUNTING TECHNICIAN.
10:02:08AM >> THERE ARE 40 OR 50 MORE FOLKS BACK IN THE OFFICE THAT
10:02:11AM HELP THEM PUT THE NUMBERS TOGETHER.
10:02:13AM THAT IS THE TEAM THAT PUTS THE 400 PAGE REPORT TOGETHER AND
10:02:17AM I'M PROUD OF THEIR WORK AND THANK YOU FOR THIS COMMENDATION.
10:02:21AM [ APPLAUSE ]
10:02:24AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHEN I TOOK ACCOUNTING WAY BACK, ONE
10:02:27AM THING I NEVER LIKED AND THAT WAS AFTER CLOSING.
10:02:30AM IF I HAVE TO DO IT AFTER, WHY SHOULDN'T I DO IT BEFORE?
10:02:34AM THESE INDIVIDUALS KEEP THE CITY GOING STRAIGHT FINANCIALLY
10:02:38AM AND STABILIZING EVERYTHING WE DO IN NUMBERS.
10:02:41AM WE ARE ALL VERY PROUD OF THEM.
10:02:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
10:02:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: STARTING WITH LEE, CAN YOU SAY HOW MANY
10:02:47AM YEARS YOU'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY?
10:02:49AM >> I'VE BEEN HERE 20 YEARS.
10:02:50AM >> 2.5.
10:02:51AM >> OVER 20.
10:02:53AM >> 2.5.
10:02:54AM >> 18.
10:02:55AM >> OVER 30.
10:02:58AM >> 2.5.
10:02:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THOSE OF YOU ALL BEEN HERE 20, 30 YEARS,
10:03:03AM YOU'VE SEEN A HUGE CHANGE IN HOW YOU ALL DO YOUR BUSINESS.
10:03:08AM 2.5, MAYBE NOT SO MUCH.
10:03:10AM THOSE THAT ARE THE SURVIVORS, YOU'VE SEEN THIS TAMPA GROW
10:03:13AM LIKE THE REST OF US HAVE.
10:03:15AM I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE WHAT ACCOUNTING FOR TWO PLUS BILLION
10:03:19AM DOLLAR BUDGET LOOKS LIKE AND HOW COMPLEX THAT IS.
10:03:22AM CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR ACHIEVEMENT AGAIN THIS YEAR.
10:03:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CONGRATULATIONS, MR. ROGERO, YOU, YOUR
10:03:29AM TEAM, EVERYBODY HERE, THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.
10:03:32AM YOU ALWAYS MAKE US PROUD.
10:03:34AM YOUR JOB IS NOT EASY, BUT WE REALLY, REALLY, REALLY
10:03:37AM APPRECIATE YOU AND CONGRATULATIONS.
10:03:39AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE IS A PRESENTATION ON BEHALF OF THE
10:03:41AM CITY TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.
10:03:43AM I WAS GOING TO LET DENNIS DO THAT, BUT HE'S COUNTING NUMBERS
10:03:47AM FOR NEXT YEAR.
10:03:49AM CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL OF YOU.
10:03:51AM [ APPLAUSE ]
10:03:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
10:03:58AM WE'LL START PUBLIC COMMENT WITH THE REGISTERED SPEAKERS THAT
10:04:00AM ARE ONLINE.
10:04:01AM WAIT A MOMENT.
10:04:05AM WE HAVE QUITE A FEW REGISTERED SPEAKERS AND SOME MIGHT BE IN
10:04:07AM THE ROOM BUT I'LL CALL OUT THE NAMES.
10:04:10AM PASTOR, I'LL START WITH THE ONLINE REGISTERED SPEAKERS FIRST
10:04:40AM AND THEN I'LL START WITH YOU.
10:04:41AM I'M GOING TO START WITH THE PEOPLE REGISTERED ONLINE FIRST
10:04:44AM AND THEN I'LL START WITH YOU.
10:04:46AM >> YEAH, DO THAT.
10:04:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MADAM CLERK, MICHAEL RANDOLPH IS THE
10:04:56AM FIRST REGISTERED SPEAKER, CORRECT?
10:04:58AM MR. RANDOLPH, IF YOU ARE ONLINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND
10:05:01AM STATE YOUR NAME.
10:05:03AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:05:03AM MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
10:05:05AM I'M WITH THE WEST TAMPA COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
10:05:09AM I DO WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOLUTIONS RELATED TO
10:05:13AM RESOLUTION 568 AND HOW THIS CAN BE USED TO REDUCE
10:05:19AM GENTRIFICATION ON PURPOSE AND BY DESIGN.
10:05:23AM THE TWO TWOS YOU HAVE TO SOLVE THE COMMUNITY IS THE
10:05:27AM COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT AND THE CRA TIF.
10:05:31AM ONE EXAMPLE OF THAT IS THE ROME YARD PROJECT, WHICH IS A
10:05:36AM NATIONAL MODEL THAT THE WHOLE NATION IS LOOKING AT.
10:05:39AM WITH THE ROME YARD DEAL DOES IS INCREASE THE NUMBER OF
10:05:43AM AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
10:05:45AM IT INCREASES THE NUMBER OF MINORITY BUSINESS PARTICIPANTS BY
10:05:49AM 40% PLUS.
10:05:50AM THIS IS UNHEARD OF NATIONALLY.
10:05:53AM THE OTHER THING IT DOES TO INCREASE BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY,
10:05:57AM FOR EXAMPLE, THE WEST TAMPA CDC IS WHAT IS KNOWN AS THE
10:06:01AM HOME-BASED E-COMMERCE INITIATIVE.
10:06:06AM 40 TO 60 RESIDENT OWNED BUSINESSES BEING STARTED WITHIN THE
10:06:12AM NEXT FIVE YEARS.
10:06:12AM WE TALK ABOUT LOW-INCOME PEOPLE THAT WILL BENEFIT.
10:06:16AM THE PUBLIC-PRIVATE RELATIONSHIP IS SO KEY TO THIS STRATEGY.
10:06:20AM BANKS, DEVELOPERS, AND FINANCIALLY, PART OF THE
10:06:24AM CONVERSATION, AS WELL AS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS.
10:06:27AM AS YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS IS SEEN BY
10:06:31AM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN A SPECIAL CATEGORY.
10:06:34AM THAT'S $800,000 THAT COMES OUT EVERY YEAR FOR COMMUNITY
10:06:37AM DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION TO DO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, TO DO
10:06:42AM AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ET CETERA.
10:06:44AM USING THIS $800,000 AS PROVIDED BY THE FEDS, WE CAN MIMIC
10:06:49AM THIS TEN TIMES, TAKE THAT $800,000 --
10:06:53AM [ENCODER DISCONNECT]
10:07:17AM -- THAT MONEY TO DEAL WITH THE GENTRIFICATION THAT HAS
10:07:20AM OCCURRED IN OUR COMMUNITY.
10:07:22AM FINALLY, COMMUNITY REDUCING CRIME.
10:07:27AM IT IS A TACTIC AND NOT A STRATEGY.
10:07:31AM WEST TAMPA CDC SEES THIS AS HOLISTIC APPROACH.
10:07:35AM WE SEE IT AS PREVENTION, INTERVENTION, AND DETERRENCE AS A
10:07:39AM STRATEGY TO REDUCE CRIME AND WE USE THE NATIONAL MODEL TO
10:07:44AM MIMIC THAT.
10:07:44AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE MY
10:07:46AM TWO CENTS TODAY.
10:07:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:07:49AM NEXT WE'VE LAYNA.
10:07:52AM IS SHE ONLINE?
10:07:53AM IF YOU COULD UNMUTE YOURSELF AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:07:58AM >> HI.
10:07:58AM MY NAME IS LAYNA VU.
10:08:01AM I'M URGING ALL OF YOU TO -- GENOCIDE IN PALESTINE.
10:08:10AM I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT IF YOU EVER CLAIM THAT YOU WANT TO
10:08:17AM UPHOLD OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, THEN AGAINST -- AS IT
10:08:22AM INFRINGES ON THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
10:08:24AM ZIONISM IS NOT ANTI-SEMITISM, STATE OF ISRAEL IS INDEED A
10:08:31AM RACIST ENDEAVOR.
10:08:32AM BASED ON THE ETHNIC CLEANSING OF INDIGENOUS POPULATION.
10:08:36AM I LITERALLY WATCHED A VIDEO OF ZIONIST COLONIZERS PREVENTING
10:08:41AM ENTRY OF HUMANITARIAN AID TRUCKS TO GAZA AND CHEERING THE
10:08:45AM BLOCKADE WHILE 2 MILLION PEOPLE ARE BEING STARVED AND
10:08:48AM DISPLACED.
10:08:50AM YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO THE UNARMED CIVILIAN TRYING TO
10:08:55AM RECEIVE HUMANITARIAN AID.
10:08:58AM THEY WERE DIRECTLY SHOT AT BY OCCUPATION FORCES.
10:09:00AM 20 PEOPLE KILLED, 150 WOUNDED.
10:09:03AM ZIONIST REGIME NORMALIZED THE TARGETING OF CITIZENS AND
10:09:08AM STILL HAVEN'T SAID A THING.
10:09:10AM I WANT YOU TO DEEPLY REFLECT AND ASK YOURSELVES WHY YOU
10:09:14AM WOULD THINK ANY OF THIS IS OKAY.
10:09:16AM TENS OF THOUSANDS OF TONS OF UNGUIDED BOMBS ON UNARMED
10:09:20AM CIVILIANS.
10:09:21AM WHY DO YOU THINK IT IS OKAY TO TARGET HOSPITAL AND -- WHY DO
10:09:26AM YOU THINK IT'S OKAY THAT PALESTINIAN MEN ARE STILL DIGGING
10:09:30AM THROUGH RUBBLE WITH THEIR HANDS FOR OVER A HUNDRED DAYS
10:09:35AM STRAIGHT SEARCHING FOR PEOPLE UNDERNEATH THE RUBBLE FOR
10:09:38AM DAYS, WEEKS, AND EVEN MONTHS.
10:09:40AM WHY DO YOU THINK IT'S OKAY THAT TWO MOTHERS ARE BEING KILLED
10:09:43AM EVERY DAY AT LEAST.
10:09:44AM WHY DO YOU THINK IT'S OKAY THAT MORE THAN TEN CHILDREN A DAY
10:09:48AM LOSE A LIMB IN GAZA WHILE THEY HAVE LIMITED MEDICAL SUPPLIES
10:09:51AM AND NO ANESTHESIA.
10:09:53AM THE OTHER DAY I WATCHED A VIDEO OF A FATHER WHO HAD TO
10:09:56AM AMPUTATE HIS DAUGHTER'S LEG IN THE KITCHEN AGAIN WITHOUT
10:10:01AM ANESTHESIA.
10:10:01AM I'VE SEEN A LITTLE BOY GATHER PIECES OF HUMAN FLESH ON THE
10:10:05AM GROUND INTO A PLASTIC BAG.
10:10:06AM I SEE PEOPLE CARRYING THE BODY PARTS OF THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS
10:10:09AM IN PLASTIC BAGS.
10:10:11AM SEEN AIR STRIKES ON THE OCCUPATION ON HOSPITALS AND KILL THE
10:10:14AM PEOPLE SHELTERING INSIDE.
10:10:15AM YOU CAN'T TELL ME IF ANY OF THIS WAS HAPPENING TO WHITE
10:10:19AM PEOPLE YOU WOULD STILL BE SILENT.
10:10:21AM I'D LIKE TO END WITH A QUOTE FROM FATHER IN GAZA.
10:10:25AM HE SAID A DOCTOR TOLD ME SMALL HOPE THAT MY SON IS GETTING
10:10:30AM BETTER.
10:10:30AM I LEFT THE HOSPITAL AND CAME BACK AND I DIDN'T FIND THE
10:10:34AM HOSPITAL, THE DOCTOR, OR MY SON.
10:10:37AM IT IS NOT ANTI-SEMITIC TO CALL FOR CEASE FIRE.
10:10:41AM YOUR SILENCE HAS LET US KNOW THAT YOU ARE GENOCIDE POLL
10:10:46AM GISTS AND ENABLERS AND SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF.
10:10:50AM END THE OCCUPATION AND FREE PALESTINE.
10:10:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:10:54AM NEXT IS ALINA.
10:10:57AM WE HAVE FRANKLIN PEREZ.
10:10:59AM IS FRANKLIN PEREZ ONLINE?
10:11:00AM MR. PEREZ, IF YOU CAN UNMUTE YOURSELF AND STATE YOUR NAME.
10:11:11AM >> HI.
10:11:12AM FRANKLIN PEREZ.
10:11:13AM CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:11:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, GO AHEAD.
10:11:16AM >> GREAT.
10:11:16AM THANK YOU.
10:11:16AM MY NAME IS FRANKLIN PEREZ.
10:11:18AM I LIVE IN SEMINOLE AND HILLSBOROUGH COUNTIES.
10:11:21AM PLEASE RESCIND ALL PRO-ISRAEL RESOLUTIONS YOU HAVE MADE IN
10:11:24AM THE PAST.
10:11:25AM ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
10:11:26AM ISRAEL IS A JEWISH SUPREMACIST APARTHEID STATE THAT HAS BEEN
10:11:29AM COMMITTING ETHNIC CLEANSING AND HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES AGAINST
10:11:32AM PALESTINIANS FOR 75 PLUS YEARS AS PER REPUTABLE HUMAN RIGHTS
10:11:38AM ORGANIZATIONS.
10:11:38AM NOW YOU CAN ADD GENOCIDE AS ISRAEL IS ON TRIAL AT THE HAGUE
10:11:43AM FOR GENOCIDE AGAINST PALESTINIANS.
10:11:46AM STOP SUPPORTING ISRAEL.
10:11:48AM STOP GIVING IT WEAPONS.
10:11:49AM STOP GIVING IT MONEY AND CONDEMN IT FOR WHAT IT IS,
10:11:52AM APARTHEID AND GENOCIDAL STATE.
10:11:54AM MANY HUMAN RIGHTS EXPERTS REFER TO GAZA AS OPEN AIR
10:11:58AM CONCENTRATION CAMP.
10:11:59AM THE ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU INVOKED IN THE
10:12:06AM CONCENTRATION CAMP BY REFERRING TO ANCIENT BIBLICAL PASSAGE
10:12:10AM IN THE OLD TESTAMENT COMPARING THEM TO AMALEKITES THAT MUST
10:12:14AM BE PUT TO DEATH, MEN, WOMEN, CHILDREN, BABIES.
10:12:17AM ISRAELI APARTHEID REGIME YOAV GALLANT REFERRED TO
10:12:23AM PALESTINIANS IN THE GAZA CONCENTRATION CAMP AS HUMAN
10:12:26AM ANIMALS.
10:12:27AM MIKO PELED, ISRAEL JEW, SON OF FAMOUS ISRAELI JEW GENERAL,
10:12:31AM EX-ZIONIST OCCUPATION FORCES ENFORCER AND PALESTINIAN RIGHTS
10:12:35AM ACTIVIST HAS STATED THAT THE ISRAELI ARMY IS THE BEST
10:12:39AM TERRORIST GROUP IN THE WORLD.
10:12:41AM JEW ZIONIST YONATAN SHAPIRA STATED THAT THE ISRAELI ARMY IS
10:12:49AM A TERROR ORGANIZATION RUN BY WAR CRIMINALS.
10:12:51AM SCATTERED ZIONIST OCCUPIED SETTLEMENT, THE SOLUTION TO THE
10:12:58AM ISRAEL PALESTINE IS ONE WHERE JEW AND PALESTINIAN HAVE EQUAL
10:13:02AM RIGHTS.
10:13:03AM THAT IS WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS FREE PALESTINE FROM THE
10:13:06AM JORDAN RIVER TO THE MEDITERRANEAN SEA.
10:13:09AM ALL U.S. GOVERNMENT ENTITIES SHOULD BE PRESSING THE REGIME
10:13:13AM TO MOVE FORWARD A FREE PALESTINE, THAT INCLUDES THE
10:13:15AM DISMANTLING OF THE GAZA CONCENTRATION CAMP, THE REFRAIN THAT
10:13:18AM ISRAEL HAS THE RIGHT TO SELF-DEFENSE IS A RED HERRING.
10:13:21AM THE REAL QUESTION IS, DOES ISRAEL HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE
10:13:24AM FORCE TO MAINTAIN AN ILLEGAL OCCUPATION AND APARTHEID STATE
10:13:28AM THAT COMMITS ETHNIC CLEANSING, GENOCIDE AND HUMAN RIGHTS
10:13:32AM ABUSES AGAINST PALESTINIANS. THE CLEAR ANSWER IS NO.
10:13:36AM UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW, ISRAEL HAS NO RIGHT OF SELF-DEFENSE
10:13:39AM WHEN IT IS THE OPPRESSOR AND OCCUPIER, WHILE PALESTINIANS DO
10:13:42AM HAVE THE RIGHT TO PHYSICALLY RESIST AND DEFEND THEMSELVES
10:13:45AM AGAINST THE OPPRESSOR AND OCCUPIER, THE ISRAELI APARTHEID
10:13:49AM REGIME.
10:13:50AM OUR TAX DOLLARS SHOULD BE GOING BACK TO OUR OWN COMMUNITIES
10:13:52AM NOT TO SUPPORT UNRELENTING BOMBING AND GENOCIDE IN GAZA.
10:13:56AM NO MORE MONEY FOR ISRAEL'S CRIMES.
10:14:00AM TAMPA CITY COUNCIL INTRODUCE A RESOLUTION TO STAND WITH
10:14:02AM PALESTINIANS IN DEMANDING AN END TO THE SIEGE OF GAZA, A
10:14:07AM PERMANENT CEASEFIRE, AND AN END TO ALL U.S. AID TO ISRAEL --
10:14:08AM MILITARY, ECONOMIC, POLITICAL.
10:14:09AM CEASEFIRE NOW, CEASEFIRE NOW, CEASEFIRE NOW.
10:14:12AM THANK YOU.
10:14:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:14:14AM LAMA IS THE NEXT SPEAKER ONLINE.
10:14:19AM NO.
10:14:20AM OKAY.
10:14:20AM I KNOW SOME PEOPLE ARE HERE IN PERSON.
10:14:22AM SHERISHA STEPP IS ANOTHER SPEAKER.
10:14:26AM NO.
10:14:27AM TATIANA MORALES IS.
10:14:33AM >> HELLO, COUNCIL.
10:14:34AM TATIANA MORALES, ONE OF THE CHAPTER LEADERS.
10:14:38AM I WANT TO SHIFT THE CONVERSATION A LITTLE BIT TOWARD HOUSING
10:14:40AM JUST BECAUSE THE FUTURE LAND USE AND WHAT YOUR DECISIONS ON
10:14:47AM HOUSING WILL DETERMINE THE FUTURE OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IN
10:14:48AM A VERY DIRECT WAY THAT YOUR ROLES REALLY ARE GOING TO IMPACT
10:14:52AM SO MANY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE.
10:14:54AM FIRST, I WANT TO INVITE YOU ALL TO THE HOMELESS MEMORIAL
10:14:57AM SERVICE FEBRUARY 5, 6 P.M. AT THE PORTICO BECAUSE 109 PEOPLE
10:15:01AM IN 2023 HAVE DIED ON THE STREETS OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
10:15:04AM I WANT YOU TO ALL THINK LAST WEEKEND WHEN IT WAS 39 DEGREES
10:15:08AM AND I HAD TO BUY A SPACE HEATER FOR MY HOME AND I WONDERED
10:15:12AM ABOUT MY HOMELESS NEIGHBORS NEXT DOOR THAT THEY WERE
10:15:14AM FREEZING IN OUR COMMUNITY.
10:15:15AM WHEN WE LOOK AT THE FUTURE OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, I WANT
10:15:18AM YOU TO LOOK AT YOUR STAFF THAT HAS WORKED INCREDIBLY HARD,
10:15:20AM GONE TO EVERY COMMUNITY AND HAS GONE OVER AND OVER AGAIN,
10:15:24AM TAKING PICTURES OF OUR FACES IN THE COMMUNITY AND SAID WE
10:15:26AM NEED TO PASS A PROHOUSING AGENDA.
10:15:28AM WE NEED TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT OUR HOUSING, LOOK AT HOW WE
10:15:31AM FAILED IN THE PREVIOUS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ACTUALLY LOOK
10:15:33AM TO WHAT WE CAN DO IN THE FUTURE.
10:15:35AM WE AS A CHAPTER ORGANIZED A PETITION FIVE DAYS AGO.
10:15:38AM AND IN FIVE DAYS WE'VE GOTTEN 189 LETTERS THAT HAVE GONE TO
10:15:42AM ALL OF YOUR IN-BOXES ABOUT HOUSING.
10:15:44AM IF THAT DOESN'T SAY THERE IS A HOUSING CRISIS, ALONG WITH
10:15:47AM ALL THE DATA FROM THE STAFF, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE CAN
10:15:50AM DO.
10:15:50AM WHAT I WANT YOU GUYS TO REALLY SIT WITH IS IF YOU'RE
10:15:54AM WONDERING WHAT CAN I DO TO MAKE MY COMMUNITY A LITTLE BIT
10:15:57AM SAFER, A LITTLE BIT HAPPIER, GETTING THOSE KIDS THAT I KNOW
10:16:00AM ARE HOMELESS ON OUR STREETS INTO HOMES.
10:16:02AM IT'S HELPING YOUR CHILDREN OF THE FUTURE TO ACTUALLY GET
10:16:06AM INTO HOMES.
10:16:07AM THE PLAN WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WILL NOT DO THAT.
10:16:09AM THE PLAN WE ARE TRYING TO PASS WITH THE COMMUNITY THAT OUR
10:16:11AM STAFF IS TRYING TO PRESENT TO YOU WANTS A BETTER FUTURE.
10:16:14AM ALL I CAN SAY IS PLEASE LOOK AT WHAT -- LOOK AT WHAT THE
10:16:20AM LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE FUTURE LAND USE AND THE
10:16:22AM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS TELLING YOU AND ACCEPT THE CHANGES
10:16:24AM BECAUSE THE CHANGES AREN'T GOING TO PUT A MASSIVE APARTMENT
10:16:29AM COMPLEX IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:16:30AM THE CHANGES WOULD ALLOW THE DENSITY TO ALLOW THE CITY TO
10:16:33AM GROW AND NOT ALLOW THE CITY TO SQUANDER.
10:16:37AM THANK YOU.
10:16:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:16:40AM HUMIRA IS IN THE AUDIENCE.
10:16:42AM YOU WILL BE SPEAKING IN PERSON.
10:16:44AM IS FRAN TATE ONLINE?
10:16:46AM IF MS. TATE COULD UNMUTE AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:16:50AM MS. TATE, IF YOU ARE ONLINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:17:03AM >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO.
10:17:05AM CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:17:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
10:17:07AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:17:08AM >> OKAY.
10:17:08AM VERY GOOD.
10:17:09AM I AM FRAN TATE, EAST TAMPA HOMEOWNER AND PRESIDENT OF THE
10:17:13AM JACKSON HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND CRIME WATCH.
10:17:16AM GOOD MORNING TO ALL OF YOU.
10:17:18AM I HAVE THE PERMISSION OF THE ASSOCIATION TO SPEAK ON ITS
10:17:21AM BEHALF PERTAINING TO AGENDA ITEM 47, THE JUVENILE CURFEW
10:17:25AM ORDINANCE.
10:17:25AM WE HAVE A THREE-MINUTE SPEECH WHICH I SCRIBBLED THROUGH TO
10:17:35AM TALK ON THE ITEM AND TO EXPLAIN WHY WE DID NOT SUPPORT THE
10:17:41AM ORDINANCE.
10:17:42AM WE APPRECIATE COUNCIL'S DECISION TO REMOVE ITEM 47 FROM
10:17:45AM TODAY'S AGENDA.
10:17:47AM WE WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE THAT WE NEED TO KEEP OUR CHILDREN
10:17:50AM SAFE.
10:17:51AM AND WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THIS, OR AT LEAST ATTEMPT TO
10:17:57AM ACCOMPLISH IT WORKING MORE DILIGENTLY WITH PARENTS THROUGH
10:18:00AM EDUCATION, AS MR. MIRANDA STATED.
10:18:04AM INCORPORATING CONSISTENT ROUNDTABLE TALKS TO INCLUDE
10:18:08AM ENCOURAGING SOCIAL ORGANIZATIONS AND MENTAL HEALTH
10:18:11AM PROFESSIONALS.
10:18:13AM WE CAN OFFER MORE PROGRAMS THAT WOULD KEEP OUR CHILDREN OFF
10:18:16AM THE STREETS AND OUT OF TROUBLE, AS COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON
10:18:20AM SPOKE OF.
10:18:21AM I'M SPEAKING OF PROGRAMS LIKE MIDNIGHT BASKETBALL WHICH WE
10:18:29AM USED TO HAVE AT THE YES CENTER.
10:18:31AM MAYBE ALSO WEEKEND BASEBALL.
10:18:33AM GYMNASTICS WILL SOON BE OFFERED AT THE FAIR OAKS COMPLEX.
10:18:38AM THE SKILL CENTER WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR OUR CHILDREN.
10:18:42AM THE JACKSON HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAD TO CANCEL
10:18:45AM THEIR WELLNESS WALK AND PUBLIC SAFETY SUMMIT, BUT IT'S NOW
10:18:48AM BACK ON, AND WE'RE INVITING THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY TO COME OUT
10:18:51AM ON SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 10th FROM 10 A.M. TO 1 P.M. TO THE
10:18:58AM NFL YET CENTER LOCATED AT 3310 EAST LAKE AVENUE.
10:19:01AM A FLYER WILL SOON BE UPLOADED TO OUR SOCIAL MEDIA AND
10:19:06AM DISTRIBUTED TO ALL OF THE RECREATION CENTERS.
10:19:09AM THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING TO ME AND WE LOOK
10:19:14AM FORWARD, JACKSON HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION LOOKS
10:19:17AM FORWARD TO WORKING MORE DILIGENTLY WITH CITY COUNCIL.
10:19:20AM HAVE A GREAT DAY.
10:19:21AM THANK YOU.
10:19:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:19:23AM THE NEXT SPEAKER I HAVE IS KAITLYN.
10:19:26AM IS KAITLYN ON?
10:19:27AM NO.
10:19:28AM I HAVE ALEX SCHALER ON BUT ONLY ON IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS ON
10:19:33AM ITEM 33, CONSENT AGENDA ITEM.
10:19:35AM ANY QUESTIONS?
10:19:36AM ALL RIGHT.
10:19:37AM WE'LL GO PAST ALEX SCHALER.
10:19:39AM THE NEXT SPEAKER IS ADRIENNE RODRIGUEZ.
10:19:41AM PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:19:43AM THAT IS THE LAST REGISTERED SPEAKER AND WE'LL GO TO IN
10:19:46AM PERSON.
10:19:47AM YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:19:48AM GO AHEAD.
10:19:49AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:19:51AM ADRIENNE RODRIGUEZ.
10:19:55AM I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN YBOR CITY, 33605 TO BE EXACT.
10:19:58AM THIS KNEE-JERK REACTION FROM THE MAYOR AND HER
10:20:02AM ADMINISTRATION HAS LED TO UNFORTUNATELY, HAS FOUND ITS WAY
10:20:08AM TO COUNCIL.
10:20:10AM I DO WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR TAKING THE TIME TO POSTPONE
10:20:13AM THIS OR TAKE IT OFF THE AGENDA BECAUSE I FELT THAT YOU
10:20:16AM NEEDED TO BE MORE INFORMED OUT DATA, RESEARCH AND ALSO TO
10:20:24AM REACH OUT TO PARENTS, THE COMMUNITY, THE POLICE.
10:20:28AM SO THAT IF YOU DO VOTE ON IT, THAT YOU MAKE A WELL-INFORMED
10:20:33AM DECISION.
10:20:34AM AS WE ALL KNOW, THIS IS NOT A CURFEW PROBLEM.
10:20:38AM IT'S A GUN PROBLEM.
10:20:40AM TWO HOURS AFTER THE BLAKE HIGH SCHOOL SUMMIT, THERE WAS A
10:20:42AM SHOOTING IN YBOR CITY.
10:20:44AM IT WAS A 26-YEAR-OLD.
10:20:46AM SO IT'S OBVIOUS THAT TAMPA DOES HAVE A GUN PROBLEM.
10:20:52AM CURFEWS DON'T WORK AS YOU PROBABLY ALREADY KNOW.
10:20:55AM DATA SUPPORTS THIS.
10:20:56AM JUVENILE CURFEWS RESULT IN INCREASED RACIAL PROFILING.
10:21:00AM AND WE DID HAVE BIKING WHILE BLACK.
10:21:02AM WE DON'T WANT WALKING WHILE BLACK.
10:21:06AM ALSO, IT STRAINS RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN THE YOUTH AND THE
10:21:09AM POLICE.
10:21:10AM MY NIECE IS A HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SHERIFF AND I WOULD NEVER
10:21:12AM WANT ANYONE TO HATE MY NIECE OR ANY OFFICER BECAUSE THEY
10:21:20AM WEAR A UNIFORM OR DOING THEIR JOB.
10:21:22AM LET'S TALK ABOUT TRANSPARENCY.
10:21:24AM IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE NOT ONLY HAVE A GUN CONTROL PROBLEM
10:21:28AM IN TAMPA BUT WE MAY HAVE A TPD PROBLEM.
10:21:33AM I HAD A VERY UNPLEASANT INTERSECTION WITH A TPD OFFICER IN
10:21:38AM YBOR WHILE MAKING A TURN THE OTHER DAY WHICH RESULTED IN MY
10:21:42AM SEEING FIRSTHAND HOW THIS OFFICER INTERACTED WITH THE
10:21:47AM PUBLIC.
10:21:47AM AND TO THE POINT WHERE I FILED A COMPLAINT WITH INTERNAL
10:21:50AM AFFAIRS AND I'VE ASKED FOR HIM TO GO THROUGH HIS BODY CAMERA
10:21:54AM FOOTAGE OF NOT JUST ME BUT OTHERS TO SEE HOW ARE THESE
10:21:59AM POLICE INTERACTING WITH THE COMMUNITY AND WITH THE YOUTH.
10:22:03AM I KNOW THEY ARE TRAINED BUT ARE THEY IMPLEMENTING THAT
10:22:05AM TRAINING.
10:22:06AM AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, SOME VERY DISTURBING INFORMATION WAS
10:22:11AM TOLD TO ME BY A FRIEND OF MINE LAST WEEK.
10:22:15AM WHEN THE SHOOTING BROKE OUT, WHERE WERE THE POLICE?
10:22:18AM WHERE WERE THEY?
10:22:19AM BECAUSE I WAS TOLD THERE WERE 11 POLICE STANDING IN A GROUP
10:22:24AM ONE BLOCK AWAY FROM THE SHOOTING WHILE INNOCENT PEOPLE WERE
10:22:27AM BEING SHOT.
10:22:28AM WHEN THIS INVESTIGATION IS OVER, I ASK THAT COUNCIL PLEASE
10:22:31AM ACCESS THAT VIDEO SO THE PUBLIC CAN SEE WHERE THE OFFICERS
10:22:35AM WERE AT THE TIME OF THE SHOOTING AND IT POSSIBLY COULD HAVE
10:22:39AM BEEN PREVENTED, PREVENTABLE, WE'LL NEVER KNOW.
10:22:42AM BUT AT THIS TIME, I THINK WE HAVE A TPD PROBLEM IN YBOR.
10:22:45AM THEY ARE NOT WHERE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE.
10:22:47AM IF YOU'RE STANDING IN A GROUP AND NOT SPREAD OUT, YOU CAN'T
10:22:51AM REALLY DO YOUR JOB EFFECTIVELY.
10:22:53AM THANK YOU.
10:22:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
10:22:54AM THAT CONCLUDES REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
10:22:58AM WE'LL GO TO IN PERSON.
10:22:59AM PASTOR WILLIAMS, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:23:06AM >> MY NAME IS PASTOR FRANK WILLIAMS, LOCATED AT PARADISE
10:23:11AM MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH.
10:23:13AM 1112 EAST SCOTT STREET.
10:23:17AM I'M HERE TODAY, SOMEBODY COME DOWN TO MY CHURCH AND PUT A
10:23:25AM LOCK ON ONE OF MY GATES, MY DOOR.
10:23:29AM I WANT YOU ALL TO LOOK INTO IT FOR ME.
10:23:32AM I CAN'T EVEN GET BACK IN MY OWN CHURCH.
10:23:37AM THE DEVIL IS -- WHAT MY MAMA USED TO SAY.
10:23:42AM I CAN TELL YOU IT'S MORE THAN THAT.
10:23:43AM HE'S ALIVE.
10:23:44AM VERY ALIVE.
10:23:46AM YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN MISTREATED SO LONG WE TAKE IT NOW AS IF
10:23:55AM IT'S COMMON.
10:23:57AM WE ARE STILL HUMAN BEINGS.
10:23:58AM WHEN THEY WERE CALLING US NIGGERS AND THEY STILL LIVE.
10:24:06AM WE ARE STILL HUMAN BEINGS.
10:24:06AM AND WE GOT TO GIVE GOD THE GLORY FOR BRING US THIS FAR.
10:24:09AM I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU ALL ARE GOING TO LOOK.
10:24:12AM MY ADDRESS CHURCH IS 1112 EAST SCOTT STREET.
10:24:16AM SOME OF YOU ALL LOOK INTO IT, PLEASE.
10:24:18AM THEY TOOK MY LOCK OUT AND PUT MY LOCK ON THERE.
10:24:24AM I WANTED TO HURT SOMEBODY, BUT I AIN'T GOT THAT KIND OF
10:24:30AM SPIRIT.
10:24:30AM GOD HAS BEEN SO GOOD TO ME I JUST GOT TO LET YOU ALL KNOW.
10:24:36AM I TOLD YOU ALL ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO THAT I WAS WRITING A
10:24:42AM BOOK, BUT MY BOOK IS NOT COMPLETED YET, BUT I'M TRYING TO
10:24:48AM WAIT UNTIL THE ELECTION COME UP BECAUSE I GOT A LOT MORE
10:24:52AM INFORMATION PUT IN THERE.
10:24:53AM HAVE TO PUT A LOCK ON IT AND KEEP LITTLE CHILDREN FROM
10:25:02AM READING IT BECAUSE GOING TO BE X-RATED AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
10:25:05AM GOING TO BE SOME KILLING AND MURDER AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF
10:25:11AM WHICH YOU ALL THINK IS ALL RIGHT.
10:25:13AM I WANT YOU ALL TO READ IT FOR YOURSELF.
10:25:18AM [CELL PHONE RINGING]
10:25:21AM I DON'T KNOW WHY PEOPLE BE WANTING TO GET HOLD OF ME.
10:25:29AM I GET A LOT OF CALLS LIKE THIS AND CURSING ME OUT, CALLING
10:25:38AM ME NIGGER, CAN'T YOU RUN YOUR CHURCH, PUT YOU OUT AND ALL
10:25:42AM THAT STUFF.
10:25:43AM THAT STUFF DON'T PUT NO FEAR IN ME.
10:25:46AM GOD CALL ME HOME I'M READY TO GO HOME.
10:25:49AM I NEED TO GET OUT OF THIS.
10:25:52AM YOU CARE ABOUT NOBODY.
10:25:53AM DON'T CARE ABOUT THE JEWS.
10:25:55AM DON'T CARE ABOUT THE NIGGERS, DON'T CARE ABOUT THE HUNGRY,
10:25:59AM THE POOR FOLKS, DON'T CARE ABOUT NOBODY BUT YOURSELF.
10:26:03AM I DON'T THINK YOU CARE ABOUT YOURSELF.
10:26:04AM THE THING ABOUT IT, WE CARE ABOUT OURSELVES, AND WE GOT TO
10:26:09AM KEEP ON WORSHIPING AND PRAISING GOD AND -- THAT AIN'T MY
10:26:15AM PHONE RINGING.
10:26:16AM CUT THAT THING OFF.
10:26:18AM SHOOT.
10:26:19AM [ LAUGHTER ]
10:26:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
10:26:20AM NEXT SPEAKER.
10:26:22AM >> WHEN IT'S TIME FOR ME TO SIT DOWN, I'LL SIT DOWN.
10:26:25AM BUT I WANT YOU ALL TO UNDERSTAND --
10:26:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:26:30AM >> -- THE BOOK I'M TRYING TO GET PUBLISHED IT WILL HAVE
10:26:32AM EVERYTHING IN IT.
10:26:34AM IT WILL HAVE RACIST PEOPLE, COMMENTS FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE
10:26:37AM --
10:26:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:26:38AM >> -- GET IT FINISHED.
10:26:40AM DON'T THANK ME YET.
10:26:41AM LET ME GET THROUGH.
10:26:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SIR, YOUR TIME IS UP AND WE HAVE A LOT
10:26:44AM OF SPEAKERS.
10:26:46AM >> ALL THE PEOPLE ON THE TELEPHONE TALKING TO YOU.
10:26:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND THEY HAVE TIME LIMITS, TOO.
10:26:52AM >> THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T WANT TO BE FIRST.
10:26:54AM I FIGURE YOU ALL WOULD GIVE ME MORE TIME.
10:26:56AM YOU NEED TO GIVE ME MORE TIME.
10:26:58AM I'M HANDICAP.
10:26:59AM TAKE ME A LITTLE TIME TO GET UP HERE.
10:27:02AM YOU ALL GOING TO RUN ME OUT OF HERE.
10:27:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE IS A TIMER.
10:27:13AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:27:18AM I WAS IN A GOOD MOOD BUT ALL THE SAD NEWS.
10:27:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:27:24AM >> I'M SALLYISE LEE WITH THE VOLUNTARILY MISSIONARY SOCIETY.
10:27:29AM AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A FEW MINUTES.
10:27:32AM I'LL CUT EVERYTHING SHORT, BUT I DO WANT TO COME TO THE
10:27:35AM HIGHLIGHTS.
10:27:37AM HAPPY MLK, HAPPY KWANZAA, HAPPY BLACK HISTORY.
10:27:41AM AND, GOD, PLEASE HAVE MERCY ON US AND THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT
10:27:47AM NEEDS PEACE, MERCY, AND HAPPINESS.
10:27:51AM THE SPIRIT IS --
10:27:56AM BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR NEIGHBORHOOD SPONSOR
10:28:02AM FOR SATURDAY ACTIVITIES.
10:28:05AM IT'S FAST, BUT WE HAD A GOOD TIME.
10:28:07AM LET ME MAKE IT SHORT.
10:28:09AM HAVEN'T SEEN YOU ALL SINCE CHRISTMAS.
10:28:11AM I JUST MADE IT A TIME FOR SACRIFICE AND STAYING IN.
10:28:15AM I DIDN'T GIVE NOBODY MY PHONE NUMBER.
10:28:17AM I JUST WANTED TO BE WITH GOD AND ASK HIM, LORD, WOULD YOU
10:28:20AM PLEASE HAVE MERCY ON US AND MAKE SOMETHING WORK.
10:28:26AM WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD SPONSOR.
10:28:30AM HIS NAME IS MR. McMONEY.
10:28:33AM HE GAVE THE KIDS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD A WONDERFUL GOOD TIME.
10:28:37AM I HAD TO SEE ABOUT MY KIDS TODAY.
10:28:40AM LORD, WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY, I JUST WANT TO TALK A LITTLE
10:28:43AM BIT ABOUT OUR SPONSOR AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:28:48AM I WAS PLAYING HORSESHOE WITH ONE OF THE KIDS.
10:28:53AM I LET THEM LINE UP IN FRONT OF ME.
10:28:55AM THEY WON A HUNDRED DOLLARS, 75, 25, AND EVERYBODY LEFT WITH
10:29:02AM SOMETHING.
10:29:03AM HULA HOOPS AND MONEY IN THEIR POCKET.
10:29:06AM THIS IS WHAT YOUNG PEOPLE NEED AND SENIOR ADULTS, THERE WAS
10:29:12AM HULA HOOPING.
10:29:13AM WE HAD A WONDER GOOD TIME.
10:29:16AM I USED TO ROLLER SKATE AND ALL THAT WHEN I WAS YOUNG DOWN BY
10:29:23AM THE RAILROAD TRACKS WHERE THE ROAD WAS MOVED.
10:29:27AM AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK HIM FOR THE RISE GROUP, FOR HIS
10:29:32AM IN-KIND SPONSORSHIP.
10:29:35AM MR. McMONEY, HE DOES TAXES AND WE HAD A LOVELY GOOD TIME.
10:29:40AM I WAS FEELING SAD SAYING, OH, GOD, YOU FORGOT ABOUT ME.
10:29:45AM I LET THE KIDS LINED UP.
10:29:47AM I SAID I DIDN'T WIN, BUT I DID, BECAUSE THERE WAS PEACE IN
10:29:52AM THE AIR.
10:29:54AM GIVE ME THREE MORE MINUTES.
10:29:56AM AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MR. McMONEY.
10:29:59AM YOU'VE SEEN THE BUILDING.
10:30:03AM IT'S SITTING THERE EMPTY.
10:30:07AM I SAY GOD WILL MAKE A WAY.
10:30:09AM DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.
10:30:10AM WE REALLY HAD A GOOD TIME AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THANK MR.
10:30:15AM McMONEY AGAIN.
10:30:16AM HE HELPED ME WITH MY 501(C)(3) TAXES.
10:30:20AM AND I WANT THAT EMPTY BUILDING.
10:30:23AM MY NAME WASN'T ON THE -- EXCUSE ME, SIR.
10:30:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:30:28AM >> -- WASN'T ON THE FUNDING LIST, BUT YET IT'S STILL, I'M
10:30:33AM THE DONOR OF THE YEAR.
10:30:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:30:39AM >> THE SENIOR RECOGNITION SAY COMING HOME, FOUNDATION
10:30:45AM THANKING YOU, THOSE GENERAL AMERICANS --
10:30:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
10:30:49AM >> YES.
10:30:50AM I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, I AM THE SENIOR DONOR OF THE YEAR.
10:30:55AM YOU ALL SAW ME SITTING OUT THERE, DOING MY SERVICE, GIVING
10:30:59AM OUT DOLLARS AND ALL PAID OFF.
10:31:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:31:01AM >> ALL RIGHT.
10:31:01AM WE ALSO HAVE THE MIRACLE BIBLE SOCIETY --
10:31:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MA'AM, I HAVE THE NEXT SPEAKER.
10:31:07AM >> I KNOW, SIR, BUT CAN I HAVE A MINUTE, PLEASE?
10:31:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, MA'AM.
10:31:11AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:31:12AM >> OKAY.
10:31:12AM I WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW YOU NEED TO DO BETTER AND GET OUR
10:31:16AM COMMUNITY STRAIGHT AND HAVE A DAY OF ACCOUNTABILITY FOR
10:31:20AM WHAT'S HAPPENING TO OUR CHILDREN.
10:31:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:31:22AM NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:31:24AM >> AND BLESS THE JEWS AND EVERYBODY FIGHTING.
10:31:27AM HAVE MERCY LORD.
10:31:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
10:31:29AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:31:51AM >> COULD YOU BRING UP --
10:31:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THEY WILL BRING IT UP ON THE MAIN
10:31:55AM SCREEN.
10:31:55AM YES, MA'AM.
10:31:55AM GO AHEAD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:31:57AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
10:31:58AM MY NAME IS SANDRA DE DIEGO SANCHEZ.
10:32:01AM I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON NUMBER 59, WHICH IS AN UPDATE ON THE
10:32:05AM 2045 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
10:32:07AM I HAVE CONCERNS STARTING WITH THE BONUS DENSITY.
10:32:11AM I'VE MADE A LITTLE CHART HERE TO SHOW YOU THAT IF 640 UNITS
10:32:16AM WERE BUILT AT MARKET VALUE AND 10% OF IT WOULD BE
10:32:20AM AFFORDABLE, WE WOULD GET 64 UNITS.
10:32:24AM 20% WOULD GET 128 UNITS.
10:32:27AM REMEMBER, WE'RE LOOKING FOR 23,000 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS.
10:32:32AM HOW MANY MARKET VALUE UNITS NEED TO BE BUILT TO EQUAL 23,000
10:32:38AM AFFORDABLE UNITS?
10:32:38AM WHILE THE MARKET VALUES UNITS GROW SIGNIFICANTLY, AFFORDABLE
10:32:43AM HOUSING GROWS AT A SNAIL'S PACE.
10:32:45AM THE DEVELOPERS WILL BE RECEIVING HUGE TAX BREAKS AND
10:32:49AM REBATES.
10:32:50AM REALLY, WE LOSE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN EXCHANGE FOR A FEW
10:32:53AM AFFORDABLE UNITS.
10:32:54AM WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN THE CONFUSION WITH MISINFORMATION THAT
10:32:57AM WAS HANDED OUT BY THIS ADMINISTRATION ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
10:33:01AM MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE NUMBERS RIGHT TO MAKE THE RIGHT
10:33:04AM DECISIONS.
10:33:05AM REMEMBER, FOR TWO YEARS, THE HOUSING NUMBERS WERE SKEWED
10:33:08AM BECAUSE OF COVID, SO REALLY THE ONLY VALID NUMBERS MIGHT BE
10:33:11AM FOR THE YEAR OF 2023.
10:33:13AM YOU SHOULD ALSO BE LOOKING AT THE SAME DATA FROM THE COUNTY
10:33:16AM TO GET AN OVERALL PICTURE OF OUR NEEDS IN THIS COMMUNITY.
10:33:19AM WE KNOW THAT MANY NEIGHBORS THAT WORK IN TAMPA LIVE IN THE
10:33:23AM COUNTY.
10:33:23AM THE COUNTY MAY HAVE 30,000 NEW UNITS BEING BUILT.
10:33:27AM WE DON'T KNOW.
10:33:27AM BUT IT WOULD BE NICE IF IT WOULD BE A GOOD NUMBER.
10:33:31AM DO WE REALLY NEED TO PUSH FOR MORE MARKET VALUE UNITS TO GET
10:33:35AM MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS?
10:33:37AM I SUGGEST YOU READ THIS MORNING'S TAMPA TRIBUNE.
10:33:41AM PASCO COUNTY HAS TAKEN A LOOK AT THE TAX INCENTIVE AND
10:33:43AM REBATES.
10:33:44AM THEY CANNOT AFFORD IT.
10:33:45AM CAN WE?
10:33:47AM IT IS IN REGARD TO LIVE LOCAL BUT THE ISSUES ARE THE SAME.
10:33:51AM I WOULD HATE TO SEE THE CITY OF TAMPA HAVE TO INITIATE A
10:33:54AM MILLAGE INCREASE BECAUSE WE GAVE BACK TOO MUCH MONEY IN TAX
10:33:57AM REBATES.
10:33:58AM THE NEW COMP PLAN PROPOSAL IS COMPLEX, INCLUDING A VERY
10:34:02AM COMPLEX APPLICATION PROCESS.
10:34:05AM THEN THERE IS THE NEED TO HIRE FOLKS TO KEEP TRACK OF THE
10:34:08AM 30-YEAR COMMITMENT MAKING SURE THAT THOSE UNITS REMAIN
10:34:11AM AFFORDABLE FOR 30 YEARS.
10:34:13AM WOULDN'T IT BE EVERYBODY'S ADVANTAGE IF WE KEPT THINGS AS
10:34:16AM THEY ARE, LET THE DEVELOPERS CONTINUE TO DO WHAT THEY ARE
10:34:18AM DOING AND HAVE THOSE REGULAR TAXES GO DIRECTLY TO AFFORDABLE
10:34:22AM HOUSING PROJECTS WHERE 100% OF THE UNITS WOULD BE
10:34:26AM AFFORDABLE.
10:34:27AM THESE PROGRAMS ARE JUST GOING TO SLOW DOWN THE BUILDING
10:34:30AM PROCESS.
10:34:31AM SPEAK TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND THE
10:34:34AM GAMBLE WE MIGHT TAKE.
10:34:36AM DELAY THIS IF YOU MUST.
10:34:37AM THE POTENTIAL FOR LOSING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN REVENUE IS
10:34:40AM REAL.
10:34:40AM LET'S DO IT RIGHT.
10:34:42AM PLEASE DON'T RUBBER STAMP THIS PROJECT.
10:34:44AM THANK YOU.
10:34:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:34:45AM NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:34:48AM YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
10:34:52AM >> I'M ONLY GOING TO USE THE ELMO NEAR THE END OF MY
10:34:56AM PRESENTATION.
10:34:57AM MY NAME IS PATRICK TREVINO.
10:35:00AM PRESIDENT OF HISTORIC HYDE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
10:35:03AM I'M HUMBLED BY THE ISSUES BROUGHT BEFORE YOU TODAY.
10:35:07AM NEVERTHELESS, I WANT TO TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE HOWARD AVENUE
10:35:11AM STORM WATER PROJECT.
10:35:14AM OUR MAJOR CONCERN IS PRETTY MUCH THE LACK OF COMMUNITY
10:35:18AM ENGAGEMENT BY THE CITY DEPARTMENTS.
10:35:20AM WE DID GET SOME LIMITED ENGAGEMENT THANKS TO COUNCILMAN
10:35:24AM CARLSON, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THERE'S BEEN LITTLE TO NO
10:35:28AM OUTREACH UNTIL JUST NOW.
10:35:31AM WE SUPPORT THE GRANTS.
10:35:33AM WE SUPPORT THE ALLOCATION OF THOSE GRANTS BUT WE WANT TO YOU
10:35:37AM CONDITION THEM ON SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT ARE FACING,
10:35:41AM THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF HERE.
10:35:44AM THAT'S CRITICAL.
10:35:44AM I'M NOT GOING TO DELINEATE WHAT WAS IN MY LETTER, BUT
10:35:48AM EVERYTHING FROM OPERATIONAL STUFF, TIMELINES, DETOURS, HOW
10:35:53AM TO ADVANCE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE ACTIVITY.
10:35:58AM WE NEED TO PRESERVE THINGS LIKE BRISTOL AND ADDRESS THE
10:36:03AM CHRONIC PROBLEMS MANY OF YOU KNOW ABOUT VEHICLE, HILLS,
10:36:07AM DESOTO.
10:36:07AM THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.
10:36:10AM ONE THING THAT IS VOID FOR A LOT OF THE CITY STAFF IS THEY
10:36:13AM DON'T REALIZE THE LEVEL OF ACTIVITY SOME OF THE COMMUNITY
10:36:16AM ORGANIZATIONS HAVE.
10:36:18AM WE PARTICIPATED WITH MONEY, TIME, AND ENERGY ON RENOVATING
10:36:22AM AND MAINTAINING BURN PARK, WHICH IS RIGHT IN THIS AREA.
10:36:26AM I PUT ON THE PROJECTOR, WE PAID MONEY IN THE LAST TEN YEARS
10:36:31AM TO HAVE A VISION PLAN.
10:36:33AM THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH ON HOWARD AND THAT'S BY BURNS, TO GIVE
10:36:39AM IDEAS.
10:36:39AM WE'VE INVESTED IN THIS.
10:36:41AM THIS IS THE COMMUNITY INVESTING AND WE WANT TO HAVE
10:36:43AM RECOGNITION OF THAT.
10:36:44AM SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS, AND I RESPECT YOU ALL HAVE A LOT OF
10:36:49AM PRESSING ISSUES, PRESS THE CITY TO CONDITION COMMUNITY
10:36:54AM ENGAGEMENT IN ADDRESSING WHAT ARE REAL PROBLEMS FOR THAT
10:36:58AM COMMUNITY.
10:36:58AM AND THAT'S NOT UNIQUE TO US.
10:37:00AM WE KNOW HOW TO JOG A LITTLE BIT, BUT ANY WAY, I REALLY
10:37:03AM APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
10:37:05AM YOU ALL ARE OUR REPRESENTATIVES.
10:37:07AM YOU ARE THE CLOSEST WE HAVE TO THE CITY, AND WE REALLY DO
10:37:10AM APPRECIATE THAT.
10:37:10AM THANK YOU.
10:37:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:37:12AM NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:37:15AM YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
10:37:19AM >> MY VOICE IS NOT TOO GOOD.
10:37:21AM MY NAME IS PAM CANNELLA.
10:37:22AM I'M HERE IN REFERENCE TO THE 46, NUMBER 46 ON THE AGENDA.
10:37:28AM WHEN I CALLED YESTERDAY TO FIND OUT ABOUT THE SOUTH HOWARD
10:37:32AM FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT ON THE AGENDA FOR TODAY'S VOTING, I
10:37:35AM WANTED TO KNOW WHY THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS ARE JUST NOW
10:37:40AM FINDING OUT ABOUT IT.
10:37:42AM I WAS TOLD SOMETHING ABOUT PUBLIC OUTREACH.
10:37:44AM I ASKED, WHAT IS THAT?
10:37:46AM SO I LOOKED ON THE WEBSITE, THE CITY WEBSITE.
10:37:49AM I FOUND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND PARTNERSHIP DEPARTMENT.
10:37:54AM AND THIS IS RIGHT OUT OF THE WEBSITE.
10:37:56AM I'M READING IT WORD FOR WORD.
10:37:58AM SERVES AS THE MAYOR'S MAIN LIAISON TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD
10:38:02AM ASSOCIATIONS.
10:38:04AM AS THEIR VOICE OF CITY HALL.
10:38:08AM THEIR OUTREACH EFFORTS INCLUDE MEETINGS AND PUBLIC FORUMS.
10:38:13AM MY QUESTION IS, SO WHEN DID ALL THIS HAPPEN?
10:38:15AM SO I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK YOU TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND REACH
10:38:21AM OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
10:38:23AM THERE ARE MANY RESIDENTS WHO HAVE QUESTIONS AND NEED
10:38:27AM ANSWERS.
10:38:28AM CAN WE ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE TO GIVE THE PUBLIC THAT
10:38:32AM OPPORTUNITY?
10:38:32AM NOW, I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK FOR THAT AND I HAVE PLENTY OF
10:38:37AM ISSUES OF MY OWN AT HOME SO I'M A LITTLE UPSET THAT I HAD TO
10:38:41AM WAIT.
10:38:41AM THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY AND I HOPE YOU GIVE US THE
10:38:46AM CONTINUANCE AND WE GET THE PUBLIC INVOLVED.
10:38:48AM THANK YOU.
10:38:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:38:49AM NEXT SPEAKER, YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:38:51AM YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
10:38:55AM >> YVETTE LEWIS, PRESIDENT OF THE NAACP, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
10:39:00AM BRANCH.
10:39:00AM PROMISES, BROKEN PROMISES FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:39:08AM WE'RE DOING THIS FOR SAFETY.
10:39:11AM BIKING WHILE BLACK WAS FOR SAFETY UNTIL TAMPA POLICE
10:39:14AM DEPARTMENT TURNED IT INTO SOMETHING BAD THAT TARGETED A
10:39:18AM PARTICULAR AREA OF TAMPA.
10:39:20AM RENTING WHILE BLACK WAS FOR SAFETY UNTIL TAMPA POLICE
10:39:24AM DEPARTMENT TURNED IT INTO SOMETHING BAD BY EVICTING INNOCENT
10:39:30AM FAMILIES.
10:39:30AM NOW, HERE WE GO AGAIN IN THE NAME OF SAFETY.
10:39:35AM THIS CURFEW, WALKING WHILE BLACK, HAS THE POTENTIAL OF
10:39:40AM TURNING INTO SOMETHING BAD BASED ON THE PAST PRACTICES OF
10:39:44AM TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT TARGETED AFRICAN AMERICANS IN
10:39:49AM THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:39:50AM THE CITY OF TAMPA NEEDS TO BE PROACTIVE INSTEAD OF REACTIVE.
10:39:55AM THERE IS NO PLACE FOR TEENAGE CHILDREN TO GO IN THEIR
10:39:59AM NEIGHBORHOODS.
10:40:00AM WE HAVE ASKED THE CITY FOR A SUMMER YOUTH PROGRAM FOR 72
10:40:06AM TEENAGE CHILDREN.
10:40:07AM WE GOT 30.
10:40:09AM WE ASKED THE CITY FOR A MEANINGFUL EXPERIENCE OF PICKING UP
10:40:16AM TRASH ON THE STREETS.
10:40:17AM WE GOT NOTHING.
10:40:19AM WE ASKED THEM TO EXPAND THE PROGRAM A YEAR LONG, WE GOT
10:40:24AM NOTHING.
10:40:25AM THE CITY OF TAMPA PLACES MORE VALUE ON PUNISHING THAN
10:40:32AM SAFETY.
10:40:33AM BROKEN PROMISES FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:40:36AM RESOLUTION 568 WAS SIGNED IN 2020, APOLOGIZING FOR SLAVERY,
10:40:44AM JIM CROW LAWS, RED-LINING, UNEQUAL EDUCATION AND
10:40:47AM DISPROPORTIONATE TREATMENT AT THE HANDS OF THE CRIMINAL
10:40:52AM JUSTICE SYSTEM.
10:40:52AM BROKEN PROMISES FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:40:55AM IT HAS BEEN DOCUMENTED THAT THE LAND WAS STOLEN FROM AFRICAN
10:41:02AM AMERICANS CEMETERY OWNERS BY THE CITY OF TAMPA AND COVERED
10:41:06AM UP.
10:41:07AM IT IS TIME TO RIGHT THIS WRONG.
10:41:11AM BROKEN PROMISES FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:41:14AM IN THE CITY BUDGET, THE NAACP EMPOWERMENT CENTER WAS GIVEN
10:41:18AM AN INCREASE.
10:41:19AM I WAS TOLD BY CITY STAFF THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE YEAR, WE'RE
10:41:23AM WORKING ON THIS.
10:41:25AM AS OF TODAY, THE NAACP HAS NOT SEEN ONE PENNY.
10:41:31AM I WAS TOLD BY CITY STAFF LAST WEEK THAT THE NAACP HAS A
10:41:38AM CONTRACT WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:41:41AM HOWEVER, WHEN I SPOKE WITH MOST CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE, I
10:41:47AM DISCOVERED THAT CITY STAFF STATED TO THEM THAT WE DIDN'T
10:41:51AM HAVE A CONTRACT.
10:41:53AM MAYBE ONE DAY WE'LL FIND OUT THE TRUTH.
10:41:55AM BROKEN PROMISES FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:42:00AM GIVE ME THREE SECONDS.
10:42:02AM I PROMISE I'LL FINISH.
10:42:04AM I HAVE SEEN CITY COUNCIL AT MANY DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.
10:42:09AM EVENTS IN THE PAST FEW WEEKS.
10:42:12AM IN THE SPIRIT OF DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING, TAMPA HAS DEFAULTED
10:42:17AM ON ITS PROMISSORY NOTE, RESOLUTION 568.
10:42:21AM INSTEAD OF HONORING 568, THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS GIVEN AFRICAN
10:42:27AM AMERICANS A BAD CHECK.
10:42:29AM A CHECK HAS COME BACK MARKED INSUFFICIENT FUNDS.
10:42:35AM BUT THE NAACP HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY BRANCH REFUSED TO BELIEVE
10:42:39AM THAT THE BANK OF JUSTICE IS BANKRUPT.
10:42:42AM BROKEN.
10:42:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:42:44AM >> BROKEN PROMISES.
10:42:45AM [ APPLAUSE ]
10:42:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
10:42:47AM NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:42:49AM YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:42:54AM >> HI.
10:42:57AM MY NAME IS VALERIE, A MEMBER OF THE NAACP, LIFELONG MEMBER
10:43:00AM AND HOMEOWNER IN EAST TAMPA.
10:43:02AM I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT NUMBER 58, NUMBER 45 ON YOUR-ALL
10:43:09AM AGENDA AND I'LL TIE IT INTO THE RESOLUTION.
10:43:12AM I AM A RESOLUTION 568 MEMBER ALSO.
10:43:15AM THIS IS FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
10:43:19AM THOSE OF YOU ALL WHO WASN'T ON BOARD AT THE TIME, YOU'RE
10:43:23AM GRANDFATHERED IN.
10:43:24AM A RESOLUTION ACKNOWLEDGING TAMPA'S HISTORY WHICH CONTRIBUTED
10:43:29AM TO A COMPLEX SYSTEM OF RACIALLY MOTIVATED DISCRIMINATION
10:43:34AM AGAINST AFRICAN AMERICANS, FORMALLY APOLOGIZING TO ALL
10:43:40AM FORMER AND CURRENT AFRICAN AMERICAN RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF
10:43:45AM TAMPA FOR ANY AND ALL PAST PARTICIPATION IN THE DAMAGE THIS
10:43:50AM SHAMEFUL HISTORY HAS CAUSED.
10:43:53AM DECLARING SUPPORT FOR THE CREATION OF A RECONCILIATION
10:43:57AM COMMISSION WITH THE MISSION OF STUDYING AND DEVELOPING
10:44:01AM PROPOSALS TO REDRESS THE ENDURING NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF THE
10:44:06AM INSTITUTIONS OF SLAVERY AND SUBSEQUENT SYSTEMIC
10:44:12AM DISCRIMINATION DIRECTED AT TAMPA'S AFRICAN AMERICAN
10:44:15AM RESIDENTS BY PROMOTING RACIAL AND SOCIAL EQUITY, PROVIDING
10:44:19AM AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:44:20AM WE CAN START RIGHT NOW WITH RESOLUTION 568.
10:44:26AM ON AGENDA NUMBER 45, YOU HAVE OVER $10 MILLION FOR SOUTH
10:44:31AM TAMPA TO WORK ON THE HOWARD STREET PROJECTS.
10:44:35AM OKAY.
10:44:36AM WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT IT?
10:44:37AM YOU HAVE TEEN CLEAN.
10:44:39AM YOU HAVE THE YOUNG YOUTH IN EAST TAMPA PICKING UP PAPER.
10:44:43AM HOW ABOUT WE TURN THEM INTO TEEN ENTRY LEVEL CONSTRUCTION?
10:44:48AM WHY CAN'T THEY GET A JOB DOWN ENTRY LEVEL THAT THEY CAN BE
10:44:52AM TAKEN OUT OF POVERTY, THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO RENT ONE OR
10:44:57AM TWO BEDROOM APARTMENTS IN TAMPA THAT COST $18,000 A MONTH.
10:45:02AM THAT IS A GOOD START.
10:45:04AM WE NEED TRAINING AND OTHER ISSUES WE NEED IN EAST TAMPA.
10:45:08AM WE NEED JOBS.
10:45:10AM WE DON'T WANT TO FLIP BURGERS.
10:45:12AM WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE UP BEDS.
10:45:14AM WE WANT CAREERS.
10:45:16AM OTHER PEOPLE COME FROM OTHER COUNTRIES.
10:45:19AM THEY HAVE GENERATIONAL WEALTH WHICH THEY ABLE TO ESTABLISH.
10:45:23AM THE BLACK PEOPLE IN EAST TAMPA, WE HAVE NEVER BEEN GIVEN
10:45:27AM THAT OPPORTUNITY.
10:45:28AM AND WE WOULD LIKE THAT OPPORTUNITY.
10:45:31AM ACCORDING TO YOU ALL RESOLUTION 568, THE ONE THAT YOU ALL
10:45:36AM SAID YOU WANTED TO REMEDY THE SITUATION, WELL, LET'S START
10:45:40AM RIGHT NOW.
10:45:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:45:44AM >> YOU'RE WELCOME.
10:45:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
10:45:45AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:45:46AM YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
10:45:47AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:45:48AM CONNIE BURTON.
10:45:51AM THE ATLANTIC SLAVE TRADE AND THE PAIN FROM THAT CONTINUES ON
10:45:58AM EVEN FROM 1619.
10:46:01AM I WANT TO SAY THIS MORNING VERY CLEARLY THAT WE STAND, I
10:46:04AM STAND WITH THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE, THAT THERE IS NO WAY --
10:46:11AM THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN SEE HARM, PAIN, SUFFERING,
10:46:14AM DESTRUCTION OF A PEOPLE AND REMAIN SILENT.
10:46:18AM BUT THE WAY YOU CONTINUE TO REMAIN SILENT IS THAT YOU RUN
10:46:23AM FROM YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.
10:46:26AM WE ARE OPPOSED TO THE CURFEW.
10:46:29AM WE SAY ONLY PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIVED IN THIS PAIN CAN ADDRESS
10:46:33AM THESE ISSUES.
10:46:34AM WE SUPPORT YOUR GOOD EFFORT, BUT WE DO NOT WANT THAT
10:46:38AM $288,000 COMING FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO GO INTO THE
10:46:44AM SAME OLD SAME OLD HANDS.
10:46:47AM IF IT HAD BEEN WORKING, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE.
10:46:49AM WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH SOCIAL ISSUES, SOCIAL PROBLEMS,
10:46:54AM MANIPULATING POOR WOMEN BLACK FAMILIES ONLY TO SEE THE
10:46:59AM NUMBERS ON THE PAPER AND THE PROBLEMS CONTINUE TO EXIST.
10:47:02AM WE BELIEVE THAT IN YOUR CITY BUDGET, EVERY WEEK YOU HAVE AN
10:47:08AM OPPORTUNITY TO SAY HOW YOU AS THE LEADER OF THIS CITY WILL
10:47:13AM ENSURE THAT WE HAVE EQUITY.
10:47:15AM WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO PASS ON TO OUR CHILDREN.
10:47:18AM WE DON'T, BECAUSE WE ARE WORKING AT LABOR COSTS AND AT JOBS
10:47:25AM THAT DON'T LIFT US OUT OF POVERTY.
10:47:28AM WE SEE PROGRAMS BEING ADMINISTERED FROM THIS CITY GOVERNMENT
10:47:32AM THAT GIVES THE APPEARANCE OF HELP, BUT RIGHT NOW WE ARE
10:47:36AM SPECTATORS IN OUR OWN COMMUNITY.
10:47:38AM SO WHEN WE SAY THAT RESOLUTION 568, AND IT AIN'T GOING
10:47:42AM NOWHERE.
10:47:43AM IT'S GOING TO FOLLOW YOU INTO YOUR NEXT POLITICAL VENTURE,
10:47:47AM BECAUSE YOU SIGNED IT, YOU SUPPORTED IT, AND WE'RE GOING TO
10:47:52AM MANDATE THAT YOU LIVE BY IT.
10:47:54AM WE WANT EQUITY.
10:47:55AM WE WANT JUSTICE.
10:47:56AM WE WANT OPPORTUNITY.
10:47:57AM WE WANT TO SEE EVERY TIME YOU PULL THIS CITY COUNCIL AGENDA
10:48:01AM TOGETHER, THAT IF THE MAYOR DON'T HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING OF
10:48:05AM IT, YOU BE COURAGEOUS ENOUGH TO SAY ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY IS
10:48:11AM A BENEFIT TO ALL.
10:48:13AM YOU SAID IN RESOLUTION 568 THAT YOU UNDERSTOOD TO NOW THE
10:48:18AM SUFFERING OF AFRICAN PEOPLE.
10:48:21AM ALL PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING, BUT YOU IDENTIFIED RACE AND CLASS.
10:48:25AM WE EXPECT TO SEE MOVEMENT ON RESOLUTION 568 MOVING FORWARD.
10:48:31AM DO NOT DO ANYTHING.
10:48:32AM DO NOT FORM A COMMISSION IF IT IS NOT THE LEGITIMATE VOICES
10:48:36AM OF THE BLACK COMMUNITY.
10:48:37AM THANK YOU.
10:48:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:48:39AM [ APPLAUSE ]
10:48:40AM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
10:48:40AM NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:48:47AM >> UHURU.
10:48:50AM MENTESNOT.
10:48:51AM UHURU MEANS FREEDOM IN SWAHILI.
10:48:55AM MENTESNOT MEANS ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
10:48:58AM ANYTIME MY MOTHER-IN-LAW AND HER FAMILY COMES TO MY HOUSE IN
10:49:06AM LARGE NUMBERS, I INVITE THE STRIPPERS TO COME TO THE HOUSE
10:49:15AM ALSO.
10:49:16AM BECAUSE I SHOWED THEM HOW I GET DOWN.
10:49:19AM WE HAVE A PALESTINIAN ISSUE THAT'S HORRIFIC.
10:49:25AM AND THIS CITY COUNCIL INVITED SOME PEOPLE THAT VIOLATING
10:49:32AM PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD AND ESPECIALLY IN GAZA AND INVITE
10:49:35AM THEM HERE TO GIVE THEM SOME KIND OF COMMEMORATION AWARD.
10:49:40AM THAT'S AS NASTY AS YOU CAN GET.
10:49:42AM WON'T GIVE A RESOLUTION ON PALESTINE.
10:49:45AM WON'T GIVE A RESOLUTION ON REPARATIONS.
10:49:47AM BUT SOMEHOW YOU FIND IT IN YOUR HEART AND IN YOUR WAY OF
10:49:54AM THINKING TO OFFEND.
10:50:04AM IT'S NOT THAT PALESTINIAN PEOPLE ARE GETTING OFFENDED.
10:50:08AM IT'S HUMANITY THAT'S GETTING OFFENDED.
10:50:11AM AND THEY ARE SHOWING IT ON LIVE TV AND THEY ARE LAUGHING
10:50:15AM ABOUT IT.
10:50:16AM THOSE PEOPLE TALK ABOUT 6 MILLION JEWS.
10:50:21AM IT WASN'T 6 MILLION JEWS IN EUROPE WHEN THIS THING HAPPENED.
10:50:25AM 27 MILLION RUSSIANS GOT MURDERED DURING THAT SITUATION.
10:50:28AM OCCUPIED PALESTINE, THE WORD ISRAEL THAT DON'T COME OUT OF
10:50:34AM MY MOUTH, SLAP MYSELF WHEN I SAY IT, IS A COLONY OF WHITE
10:50:41AM WESTERN CIVILIZATION.
10:50:43AM IT IS THE BIGGEST COLONY PEOPLE TALK ABOUT 1948, LET'S GO
10:50:47AM BACK TO 1927, BALFOUR AGREEMENT AND BALFOUR LETTER AND ALL
10:50:52AM THAT.
10:50:53AM LET'S TALK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT'S IMPORTANT IN LIFE.
10:51:03AM THIS CITY COUNCIL NEED TO STAND UP LIKE HUMAN BEINGS AND
10:51:07AM MAKE A RESOLUTION, SAY SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN
10:51:10AM PALESTINE.
10:51:11AM MY INTEREST IS REPARATIONS AND CHILD SUPPORT, BUT SOMETIMES
10:51:16AM I HAVE TO TURN LEFT OR TURN RIGHT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S
10:51:21AM IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHEN YOU SEE IT, IT LETS YOU KNOW YOU'RE
10:51:24AM NOT A HUMAN BEING IF YOU CAN'T SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
10:51:27AM WHITE PEOPLE CAN SEE YOU KICKING A DOG AND TURN YOUR MFING
10:51:33AM ASS TO THE POLICE AND GOING TO JAIL.
10:51:36AM ALREADY MURDERED OVER 50,000 PALESTINIANS IN A TWO-MONTH
10:51:40AM PERIOD AND ALL THE WHITE FOLKS, MOUTHS SILENT AND CLOSED.
10:51:44AM AND THEY WANT THE TAXPAYERS TO SUPPORT THAT.
10:51:48AM IT'S TIME TO STAND UP, THIS CITY COUNCIL, AND SAY SOMETHING
10:51:54AM AGAINST WHAT'S GOING ON IN PALESTINE.
10:51:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:51:57AM [ APPLAUSE ]
10:51:57AM NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:52:03AM YES, SIR.
10:52:05AM >> DAVE COLEMAN.
10:52:07AM FROM NORTH TAMPA.
10:52:09AM I GREW UP IN THE OLD DAYS WHEN A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE CITY
10:52:14AM WERE CRYING, OH, WE NEED THINGS THE WAY THAT THEY WERE WITH
10:52:16AM THE CURFEW THING.
10:52:18AM I GREW UP WITH THE WORDS, CHEESE AT THE COPS.
10:52:22AM YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS, CHARLIE.
10:52:24AM LET'S GET THE HECK OUT OF HERE.
10:52:27AM I STARTED SEVERAL YEARS AGO ATTENDING OVER IN RAGAN PARK AND
10:52:32AM OTHER PLACES THE STOP GUN VIOLENCE, INITIATIVE MEETINGS THAT
10:52:36AM WERE STARTED BY CHIEF O'CONNOR.
10:52:39AM AND SHE WAS DEMANDING TRUST FROM THE PUBLIC AND I KEPT
10:52:44AM ASKING STOP DEMANDING TRUST, YOU'VE GOT TO CREATE IT.
10:52:47AM I'M STANDING THERE IN FRONT OF THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE
10:52:51AM AND A NUMBER OF YOU WERE THERE AT THOSE MEETINGS.
10:52:53AM AND THOSE MEETINGS INVOLVE PEOPLE, FAMILIES OF VICTIMS OF
10:52:57AM GUN VIOLENCE.
10:52:58AM SO WHO THE HELL AM I TELLING THEM HOW TO DO IT?
10:53:03AM THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS I KEPT CRYING FOR THINGS LIKE A
10:53:08AM CALL PROGRAM OVER IN ST. PETE TO EARN RESPECT, TO COMMUNITY
10:53:14AM POLICE.
10:53:15AM LO AND BEHOLD, O'CONNOR IS OUT AND IN COMES OUR NEW CHIEF.
10:53:21AM ALL OF A SUDDEN I HEAR THINGS LIKE COMMUNITY POLICING AND IT
10:53:26AM WAS CAPTAIN RICHARDSON OVER IN RAGAN PARK, HE SAID I'LL TELL
10:53:31AM MY OFFICERS TO GET OUT OF THE CAR.
10:53:33AM IF THEY DON'T GET OUT OF THE CAR, I'LL TEACH THEM HOW TO GET
10:53:36AM OUT OF THE CAR.
10:53:37AM I'M WATCHING COMMUNITY POLICING BEGIN TO GROW UP.
10:53:40AM I SAT IN A MEETING IN SULPHUR SPRINGS, TPD TUESDAY.
10:53:43AM A GRANDMOTHER SAID SHE WALKS HER KIDS TO SCHOOL SULPHUR
10:53:46AM SPRINGS EVERY DAY AND THE KID IS TERRIFIED WALKING, EVEN
10:53:50AM WITH THE GRANDMOTHER TO SCHOOL.
10:53:51AM THE RESPONSE FROM TPD WAS WE'LL HAVE A COP THERE TOMORROW
10:53:54AM AND WE'LL WALK TO SCHOOL WITH YOU.
10:53:57AM THAT'S COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.
10:53:58AM THIS BUSINESS OF PROFILING AND ILLEGALLY, I WOULD IMAGINE,
10:54:04AM DETAINING, DETAINING KIDS AND A FEW OF THEM AND ALL OF A
10:54:07AM SUDDEN CPS IS INVOLVED AND ALL THEY MIGHT BE DOING IS WHAT
10:54:12AM TALLAHASSEE IS ASKING KIDS TO DO.
10:54:13AM WORK 30 HOURS A WEEK UP UNTIL 11:00 AT NIGHT AND THE OTHER
10:54:19AM ROOM UP IN TALLAHASSEE THEY ARE SAYING THESE KIDS CAN'T HAVE
10:54:22AM SOCIAL MEDIA.
10:54:23AM AND YOU GOT TO FIGURE OUT THE WISDOM BETWEEN THOSE TWO
10:54:27AM THINGS AND DECIDE WHAT'S RIGHT FOR TAMPA.
10:54:30AM IN THE LAST FEW MINUTES I HAVE, YOU'RE TELLING ME I'M IN THE
10:54:35AM WRONG PLACE BUT THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN.
10:54:39AM WE GOT THHI.
10:54:41AM WE GOT TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY.
10:54:44AM WE GOT THE COUNTY COMP PLAN, AND WE HAVE LIVE, GROW, THRIVE
10:54:50AM AND ALL OF THESE SEPARATE ENTITIES.
10:54:52AM THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS READY
10:54:54AM TO PRESENT THE FINDINGS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN RESEARCHING FOR
10:54:57AM THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF AND NOBODY IS SHOWING UP OUT OF 1.5
10:55:01AM MILLION PEOPLE, AND YOU PAY TAXES IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
10:55:04AM I KNOW YOU ALL DO BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ASKING AND I FOUND OUT.
10:55:07AM AND NOBODY IS SHOWING UP AND THERE ARE TWO REALLY IMPORTANT
10:55:11AM MEETINGS COMING UP INVOLVING THE TEN-YEAR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
10:55:14AM THAT YOU NEED TO GET YOUR STAFF OR SOMEBODY INVOLVED WITH
10:55:17AM AND GO GET SOME OF THAT $9 BILLION WITH THE $2.3 BILLION
10:55:22AM THAT'S SITTING IN THE SAVINGS ACCOUNT.
10:55:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:55:25AM NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:55:29AM >> MY NAME IS AHMED.
10:55:31AM COUNCIL MEMBERS, GOOD MORNING.
10:55:34AM I WANT TO TELL YOU ABOUT A GREAT AMERICAN BY THE NAME OF
10:55:38AM ROBERT HUTCHINS.
10:55:39AM BORN IN 1899, HUTCHINS QUICKLY ROSE TO BECOME THE YOUNGEST
10:55:43AM UNIVERSITY PRESIDENT IN AMERICA WHEN HE BECAME THE PRESIDENT
10:55:46AM OF THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO AT THE YOUNG AGE OF 30.
10:55:49AM DURING WORLD WAR II, HUTCHINS WAS COMMISSIONED TO WRITE
10:55:51AM ABOUT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PRESS.
10:55:53AM THE REPORT TITLED A FREE AND RESPONSIBLE PRESS HIGHLIGHTED
10:55:56AM HOW THE COMMERCIALIZATION AND THE PERSONALIZATION OF THE
10:56:01AM PRESS WOULD CREATE A POLARIZED AND SELFISH POLITICAL
10:56:05AM CLIMATE.
10:56:06AM I THINK MOST OF US HERE CAN AGREE THAT THE PRESS HAS
10:56:08AM CONTRIBUTED TO THE POLARIZATION OF OUR POLITICAL SPHERE.
10:56:11AM DURING HIS TENURE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO, HUTCHINS
10:56:15AM VIGOROUSLY THOUGHT FOR ACADEMIC FREEDOM AND RIGHT FOR OPEN
10:56:19AM DISCUSSIONS MENTIONING IT WAS NECESSARY TO DISCUSS ANY
10:56:21AM PROBLEM THAT PRESENTS ITSELF REGARDLESS WHETHER UNWELCOMED,
10:56:25AM DISAGREEABLE OR EVEN WHOLLY OFFENSIVE.
10:56:28AM THIS COMMITMENT TO ACADEMIC FREEDOM WAS A CAUSE FOR
10:56:31AM CONTROVERSY.
10:56:31AM WHEN HE REFUSED TO CENSOR CONVERSATIONS ON CAMPUS REGARDING
10:56:34AM COMMUNISM, LEADING MANY TO ACCUSE HIMSELF OF BEING A
10:56:37AM COMMUNIST.
10:56:38AM I FIND THIS TO BE RELEVANT TODAY WHERE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
10:56:40AM CAN GO TO MARCH IN D.C. AND DEMAND A CEASE FIRE IN THE
10:56:44AM ENTRANCE OF HUMANITARIAN AID AND STILL BE LABELED AS
10:56:47AM ANTI-SEMITES, TERRORIST SYMPATHIZERS.
10:56:51AM HUTCHINS ALSO SPEARHEADED AN EFFORT WITH ENCYCLOPEDIA
10:56:54AM BRITANNICA TO PRODUCE A SET TITLED THE GREAT WORKS OF THE
10:56:57AM WESTERN WORLD OF WHICH THE FIRST VOLUME IN MY HANDS IS ESSAY
10:57:01AM WRITTEN BY HUTCHINS TITLED "THE GREAT CONVERSATION."
10:57:03AM IN IT HE LAMENTS THAT IN AMERICA, PROPAGANDA BEATS DOWN ON
10:57:08AM THE CITIZEN 24 HOURS A DAY, AND THIS WAS 80 YEARS AGO,
10:57:11AM BEFORE EVERYONE HAD A PHONE RINGING AND DINGING IN THEIR
10:57:14AM POCKETS ALL THE TIME.
10:57:15AM IF THAT WAS THE CASE IN THE '50s, I FIND IT EVEN MORE TRUE
10:57:19AM TODAY.
10:57:19AM IF WE CONCLUDE THAT HE WAS CORRECT IN HIS ASSESSMENT OF THE
10:57:22AM PROBLEM, THEN WE SHOULD ALSO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER HIS
10:57:25AM SUGGESTIONS FOR THE SOLUTIONS.
10:57:26AM HUTCHINS REMINDS US THAT DEMOCRACIES AND REPUBLICS DO FALL
10:57:30AM AND WHEN A DEMOCRACY FALLS, IT LEADS TO TYRANNY.
10:57:33AM WE SAW IT IN ROME.
10:57:34AM WE SAW IT IN NAZI GERMANY WITH THE HOLOCAUST AND WE'RE
10:57:38AM SEEING IT RIGHT NOW IN ISRAEL.
10:57:39AM HUTCHINS ASKS US TO BE EDUCATED NOT ONLY IN THE WHAT BUT
10:57:43AM ALSO IN THE WHY.
10:57:44AM HE ASKED US TO DIG DEEP NEAR THE HISTORY AND THE FUTURE AND
10:57:48AM WHAT OUR PART IS IN IT.
10:57:50AM HE ASKED US NOT SIMPLY TO PARROT AND ECHO WORDS WE HEAR BUT
10:57:54AM DISTINGUISH TRUTH FROM FALSEHOOD.
10:57:56AM THIS IS MY ASK FIRST AND FOREMOST TO THE COUNCIL BUT ALL OF
10:57:59AM US PRESENT AS WELL, JUST AS COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA MENTIONED
10:58:02AM EARLIER REGARDING THE CURFEW, WE NEED TO BE EDUCATED.
10:58:04AM SO LET US EDUCATE OURSELVES ON WAR CRIMES OF ISRAEL AND OUR
10:58:08AM MONEY THAT'S BEING USED TO FUND IT.
10:58:10AM NEVER AGAIN MEANS NEVER AGAIN FOR EVERYONE.
10:58:12AM TO CONCLUDE, I'D LIKE TO READ AN EXCERPT FROM THE GREAT
10:58:16AM CONVERSATION.
10:58:16AM AS THE PRINCIPAL OF ARISTOCRACY AND PRINCIPAL -- PRINCIPAL
10:58:25AM OF DEMOCRACY EDUCATION.
10:58:27AM [INAUDIBLE] WE NEED MORE LEARNING.
10:58:36AM MORE REAL LEARNING FOR EVERYBODY.
10:58:40AM [ APPLAUSE ]
10:58:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:58:41AM NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:58:43AM YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
10:58:45AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:58:46AM MY NAME IS OMAR.
10:58:48AM ONCE AGAIN, I ADDRESS YOU TODAY URGING YOUR LEADERSHIP ON A
10:58:51AM MATTER OF IMPORTANCE TO OUR COMMUNITY.
10:58:56AM I IMPLORE YOU TO PASS A RESOLUTION URGENTLY CALLING FOR
10:59:00AM PERMANENT CEASE FIRE IN GAZA, RECOGNIZING THE ONGOING
10:59:03AM GENOCIDE THAT HAS PLAGUED THE REGION FOR 110 AGONIZING DAYS.
10:59:09AM THE EXTREME SITUATION GAZA DEMANDS OUR IMMEDIATE ATTENTION,
10:59:14AM ESCALATED INTO A HORRIFYING GENOCIDE REQUIRES OUR CITY TO
10:59:18AM STAND UP FOR THE PRINCIPLES OF PEACE AND JUSTICE.
10:59:23AM IN THE PAST 110 DAYS, OVER 20,000 INNOCENT CIVILIANS HAVE
10:59:29AM BEEN MURDERED, INCLUDING 11,000 CHILDREN, A CHILD IS KILLED
10:59:35AM EVERY TEN MINUTES.
10:59:37AM TWO MOTHERS ARE KILLED EVERY HOUR IN GAZA.
10:59:40AM CAN YOU IMAGINE IF THAT WAS YOUR MOTHER, SISTER, OR WIFE?
10:59:46AM WHAT WOULD YOU DO?
10:59:48AM WHAT WOULD YOU WANT THE WORLD TO DO?
10:59:51AM IN OUR COMMUNITY, THE IMPACT OF THE GENOCIDE IN GAZA IS FELT
10:59:56AM DEEPLY.
10:59:56AM THE COMMUNITY AS YOU HAVE HEARD HAS DEEP CONNECTIONS TO GAZA
11:00:00AM AND HAS EXPERIENCED AN ALARMING SURGE OF ISLAMOPHOBIA HERE
11:00:05AM LOCALLY.
11:00:06AM WE HAVE STOOD BEFORE THIS CITY COUNCIL FOR WEEKS URGING YOU
11:00:10AM TO SUPPORT THE U.S. CONGRESS HOUSE RESOLUTION 786.
11:00:15AM THE RESOLUTION CALLS FOR AN IMMEDIATE CEASE FIRE,
11:00:18AM UNRESTRICTED ENTRY OF HUMANITARIAN ASSISTANCE INTO GAZA AND
11:00:24AM RESTORATION OF THE ESSENTIAL SERVICES SUCH AS FOOD, WATER,
11:00:28AM ELECTRICITY, AND MEDICAL SUPPLIES.
11:00:29AM 95% -- 95% OF THE PEOPLE FACING STARVATION ACROSS THE GLOBE
11:00:38AM ARE IN GAZA.
11:00:39AM OUR COMMUNITY LOOKS TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR GUIDANCE IN
11:00:43AM LEADERSHIP AS THEIR ELECTED PUBLIC SERVANTS.
11:00:46AM WE UNDERSTAND THAT A RESOLUTION CALLING FOR A CEASE FIRE IS
11:00:49AM NOT BINDING, BUT THE BARE MINIMUM OF OUR COMMUNITY IS
11:00:53AM DEMANDING IS YOUR VOICE JOINING THE GLOBAL CALL FOR A CEASE
11:00:59AM FIRE.
11:01:00AM BY VOTING IN FAVOR OF A PERMANENT CEASE FIRE RESOLUTION AND
11:01:06AM AGAINST THE PROPOSED CURFEW IN YBOR, YOU DEMONSTRATE A
11:01:10AM COMMITMENT TO THE WELL-BEING, SAFETY, AND RIGHTS OF THE
11:01:14AM PEOPLE YOU REPRESENT BY STANDING WITH THE PEOPLE YOU CHOOSE
11:01:18AM JUSTICE.
11:01:20AM DON'T STAY SILENT BECAUSE HISTORY WILL REMEMBER.
11:01:24AM WE WANT TO FREE PALESTINE WHERE MUSLIMS, CHRISTIANS, AND
11:01:29AM JEWS CAN LIVE IN PEACE JUST LIKE THEY USED TO BEFORE THE
11:01:32AM ZIONIST OCCUPATION.
11:01:33AM THANK YOU.
11:01:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:01:35AM [ APPLAUSE ]
11:01:35AM NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:01:43AM >> MY NAME IS IDA.
11:01:45AM GOOD MORNING.
11:01:45AM GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.
11:01:46AM I'M A GENOCIDE SURVIVOR AND A WAR REFUGEE.
11:01:52AM YOU'VE HEARD MY COMRADES, MY COLLEAGUES SPEAK ABOUT
11:01:55AM STATISTICS.
11:01:55AM YOU ALSO HEARD US EDUCATE YOU AS ABOUT EDUCATION AND
11:02:00AM IMPORTANCE OF IT.
11:02:02AM YOU'VE HEARD NUMBERS, SEEN PICTURES, YOU HEARD US.
11:02:04AM TODAY I'LL START WITH A QUOTE FROM BISSEN.
11:02:09AM A JOURNALIST IN THE STRIP REPORTING AND SHOWING US IN REAL
11:02:12AM TIME, LIVE, THE GENOCIDE IN GAZA.
11:02:14AM YESTERDAY, JANUARY 24, 2024, 110 DAYS, I'M QUOTING.
11:02:19AM THIS MIGHT BE OUR LAST CALL.
11:02:21AM WE ARE DYING.
11:02:22AM GAZA IS COMPLETELY COLLAPSING AND DOZENS OF RAIDS, THREE
11:02:26AM HOSPITALS WERE BESIEGED.
11:02:28AM PEOPLE KILLED IN THE BOMBING WERE BURIED IN FRONT OF OUR
11:02:31AM EYES IN THE HOSPITAL YARD DUE TO THE TANKS BLOCKADING THE
11:02:36AM STREETS.
11:02:37AM WOUNDED WERE ON THE GROUND WITHOUT ANY TREATMENT AND THERE
11:02:39AM WAS NOT ENOUGH MEDICAL STAFF.
11:02:41AM WE ARE FACING HEPATITIS AND INTESTINAL DISEASE IN THE
11:02:46AM SOUTHERN PART OF THE STRIP AND STARVATION AND DEATH IN THE
11:02:49AM NORTHERN PART OF THE STRIP.
11:02:50AM YESTERDAY, PEOPLE IN THE NORTHERN STRIP GRINDING ANIMAL FEED
11:02:54AM INTO FLOUR AND, QUOTE, 110 DAYS YESTERDAY.
11:02:59AM 110 DAYS OF AMERICAN MONEY, OUR MONEY, TAXPAYER MONEY
11:03:05AM FUNDING THIS GENOCIDE.
11:03:06AM 110 DAYS OF PER EVALUATION OF ANTI-SEMITISM TO ANTI-ISRAEL
11:03:12AM OR ANTI-PEACE, HERE IN OUR OWN STATE BY LEGISLATURE BEING
11:03:17AM INTRODUCED.
11:03:18AM HERE, LOCALLY, USF, OTHER STUDENT BODY GROUPS BEING SHUT
11:03:23AM DOWN.
11:03:24AM HERE LOCALLY OUR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS BEING STRIPPED AWAY.
11:03:27AM 110 DAYS OF ALARMING INCREASE IN ISLAMOPHOBIA.
11:03:31AM BLACK, BROWN, MUSLIMS ARE BEING SPIT ON HERE LOCALLY IN
11:03:34AM TAMPA.
11:03:35AM WOMEN WITH THEIR SCARVES GETTING THEIR HIJABS REMOVED.
11:03:41AM HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS BEING TERMINATED FOR SIMPLY
11:03:45AM STATING CEASE FIRE.
11:03:46AM WE WANT AN END TO OCCUPATION.
11:03:48AM 110 DAYS OF AMERICAN PEOPLE, YOUR CONSTITUENTS, YOUR
11:03:53AM CONSTITUENTS, RALLYING FOR A HALT TO THE MADNESS EVEN IN
11:03:57AM SYMBOLIC GESTURES LIKE A RESOLUTION.
11:03:59AM 110 DAYS OF CONSTANT ADVOCACY WHILE WE WATCH OUR FAMILIES
11:04:04AM SLAUGHTERED AND CAPTURED LIVE ON SOCIAL MEDIA RIGHT IN FRONT
11:04:07AM OF ALL OF YOUR ALL'S EYES AND WE'RE EXPECTED TO CONTINUE
11:04:12AM BUSINESS AS USUAL.
11:04:13AM 110 DAYS OF POLITICAL SYSTEM FAILING US.
11:04:16AM I WANT TO REMIND FOLKS HERE, THIS IS ROOTED IN RACISM, FROM
11:04:21AM YBOR'S PROPOSED CURFEW WHERE CLEARLY BACK AND BROWN
11:04:25AM COMMUNITIES WOULD BE DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECTED TO YOUR
11:04:28AM DEAFENING SILENCE ON A GENOCIDE THAT YOU ARE ALL WITNESSING,
11:04:33AM HEARING ABOUT LIVE FOR 110 DAYS.
11:04:36AM NOW, WE HAVE NOT STOPPED.
11:04:38AM OUR CALLS HAVE NOT FADED AS IS EVIDENT IN THIS ROOM.
11:04:42AM IF ANYTHING, WE HAVE GROWN STRONGER.
11:04:44AM I URGE THIS CITY COUNCIL, EVEN IN A SYMBOLIC GESTURE TO
11:04:49AM LISTEN TO THOSE THAT HAVE ELECTED YOU TO OFFICE AND TO
11:04:53AM RECALL THE HISTORY WILL REMEMBER EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR
11:04:57AM ALL STANCES.
11:04:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:04:58AM [ APPLAUSE ]
11:04:59AM NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:05:03AM YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
11:05:04AM YES, MA'AM.
11:05:10AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:05:11AM >> HI.
11:05:12AM GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
11:05:13AM MY NAME IS MIDA MARTINEZ.
11:05:16AM MOST KNOW ME AS MIMI AND I LIVE IN YBOR HEIGHTS.
11:05:19AM I WANT TO THANK YOU TODAY FOR PUSHING THE PAUSE ON THE
11:05:22AM CURFEW.
11:05:23AM MY ORIGINAL INTENT TODAY WAS TO ASK FOR THAT, SO MY PUBLIC
11:05:29AM COMMENTS ARE GEARED TOWARD THE JUVENILE CURFEW.
11:05:31AM THE REASON I WAS GOING TO REQUEST MORE TIME IS BECAUSE THE
11:05:35AM TAMPA RESIDENTS NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE CURFEW.
11:05:37AM THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ABOUT THE CURFEW.
11:05:40AM THEY ALSO NEED TO LEARN ABOUT THE ACTUAL FACTS AND THE DATA
11:05:45AM THAT SUPPORTS THAT A CURFEW ACTUALLY DOES WORK.
11:05:48AM WE ALSO NEED TO FOCUS ON CITY, COUNTY, AND STATE LONG-TERM
11:05:55AM PLANS THAT WE CAN PUT IN PLACE TO PROVIDE LONG-TERM
11:05:59AM SOLUTIONS FOR OUR YOUTH THAT ARE AT RISK.
11:06:03AM RUSHING TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT THIS CURFEW WAS GOING TO
11:06:06AM STRIP AWAY THE COMMUNITY TO BE A PART OF THE CITY'S
11:06:09AM DECISION-MAKING PROCESS.
11:06:11AM IT ALSO SKIPS THE CITY'S OBLIGATION TO BE TRANSPARENT IN
11:06:15AM PROVIDING THE FACTS AND THE DATA TO THE PUBLIC BEFORE THEY
11:06:18AM APPROVE A NEW CITYWIDE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD IMPACT THE WHOLE
11:06:22AM PUBLIC.
11:06:23AM IT ALSO, MOST IMPORTANTLY, WOULD SUBTRACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S
11:06:29AM ACCOUNTABILITY TO TAKE OWNERSHIP TO SUPPORT FAMILIES IN NEED
11:06:32AM AND DISCOUNTS THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE TROUBLED YOUTH.
11:06:35AM A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE POINTING THE FINGERS AT THE PARENTS AND
11:06:37AM A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ASSUMING THAT ALL KIDS OUT LATE AT NIGHT
11:06:41AM ARE LOOKING FOR TROUBLE.
11:06:42AM BUT MAYBE THEY ARE RUNNING AWAY FROM A TROUBLED HOME.
11:06:45AM FROM OCTOBER 30th TO JANUARY 16th, WE HAD TWO PUBLIC
11:06:50AM MEETINGS AND ONE PUBLIC SURVEY.
11:06:52AM NOW WE ARE HERE NINE DAYS LATER AND THE CITY COUNCIL WAS
11:06:55AM CHARGED TO MAKE A PERMANENT DECISION FOR THE WHOLE CITY OF
11:06:59AM TAMPA.
11:07:00AM I ATTENDED THE JANUARY 16 MEETING AND THAT NIGHT I HEARD
11:07:03AM WHAT TPD WILL DO IF THE CURFEW IS PASSED, BUT I DID NOT HEAR
11:07:09AM WHAT TPD WOULD DO IF IT WASN'T PASSED AND I QUESTION, THEY
11:07:14AM ARE NOT HERE TODAY, SO IT MAKES ME WONDER, IS THAT THE
11:07:18AM ANSWER?
11:07:18AM NOTHING?
11:07:19AM I AM AN ACTIVE WATCH GROUP COORDINATOR AND THERE ARE 39
11:07:24AM WATCH GROUPS IN TAMPA.
11:07:26AM NONE OF THE 39 WATCH GROUPS WERE SURVEYED ABOUT THE YOUTH
11:07:31AM CURFEW.
11:07:31AM I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A VERY SMALL WINDOW OF TIME TO CONNECT
11:07:35AM WITH US, WHICH IS, AGAIN, WHY I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR MORE
11:07:39AM TIME.
11:07:40AM I AM ALSO AN ACTIVE COMMUNITY LEADER.
11:07:42AM ALL OF YOU KNOW THAT.
11:07:43AM AND I BELIEVE IN COMMUNITY SAFETY AND THAT'S WHY I PARTNERED
11:07:46AM UP WITH THAN BECAUSE WE ARE ADVOCATING TO HAVE A CITYWIDE
11:07:50AM PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE WHERE ALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND
11:07:52AM ASSOCIATIONS CAN COME TOGETHER BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE
11:07:57AM NEIGHBORHOOD DESERVES TO BE SAFE.
11:07:59AM I REALLY THANK YOU TODAY FOR NOT RUSHING INTO THAT DECISION
11:08:02AM BECAUSE PUBLIC SAFETY IS A BASIC, A BASIC RIGHT FOR EVERY
11:08:07AM SINGLE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:08:08AM THANK YOU.
11:08:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:08:09AM NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:08:12AM YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
11:08:18AM >> HI.
11:08:20AM MATT LEVINE.
11:08:20AM I'M A MEMBER OF TAMPA DSA.
11:08:23AM IT'S WORRYING THAT THE COUNCIL WAS EVEN CONSIDERING A
11:08:29AM CURFEW, SO YOU SHOULD BE DISMISSING THE IDEA COMPLETELY.
11:08:35AM IT OBVIOUSLY IS NOT GOING TO MAKE ANYBODY SAFER.
11:08:38AM IF YOU WANT TO MAKE PEOPLE SAFER, YOU SHOULD BE DEFUNDING
11:08:41AM THE POLICE AND SHIFTING MORE MONEY INTO SOCIAL SERVICES.
11:08:46AM MAINLY, I NEED TO SPEAK HERE TODAY AS A JEW.
11:08:51AM YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN HERE TALKING ABOUT INTERNATIONAL
11:08:54AM HOLOCAUST REMEMBRANCE DAY TODAY AND NOT EVEN MENTIONING THE
11:09:00AM HOLOCAUST THAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN GAZA.
11:09:03AM IT'S JUST ABSOLUTELY INSANE.
11:09:05AM YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RISING THREAT OF ANTI-SEMITISM AND
11:09:12AM NOT ONLY ARE PEOPLE BEING SLAUGHTERED WHOLESALE IN GAZA, BUT
11:09:16AM WE HAVE HATE CRIMES HAPPENING AGAINST MUSLIM PEOPLE IN THIS
11:09:20AM COUNTRY.
11:09:21AM WE HAD A SIX-YEAR-OLD BOY STABBED TO DEATH IN CHICAGO.
11:09:25AM WE HAD THREE PALESTINIAN YOUNG MAN SHOT IN BURLINGTON,
11:09:30AM VERMONT, JUST FOR WHO THEY ARE.
11:09:31AM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RISING THREAT OF ANTI-SEMITISM.
11:09:38AM HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS AND OTHER JEWS ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAVE
11:09:45AM BEEN OCCUPYING GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS AND SHUTTING DOWN
11:09:47AM HIGHWAYS TO SAY STOP THE GENOCIDE.
11:09:51AM SO WE NEED THIS COUNCIL TO DO SOMETHING.
11:09:59AM ABOUT 48 CITIES AND COUNTIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAVE ALREADY
11:10:02AM PASSED CEASE FIRE RESOLUTIONS, THAT INCLUDES SAN FRANCISCO,
11:10:06AM DETROIT, AND SEATTLE.
11:10:08AM HISTORY WILL LOOK BACK ON US.
11:10:17AM YOU NEED TO GET ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY AND TELL JOE
11:10:23AM BIDEN TO END THE GENOCIDE.
11:10:29AM I WONDER IF YOU GUYS EVEN -- DO YOU ACTUALLY SEE WHAT'S
11:10:36AM HAPPENING?
11:10:36AM DO YOU LOOK AT TWITTER OR ONLY GET YOUR INFORMATION FROM THE
11:10:39AM NEW YORK TIMES OR THE TAMPA BAY TIMES?
11:10:41AM THIS GENOCIDE, IT IS THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS HAPPENED IN
11:10:45AM FULL COLOR FOR ALL OF US TO SEE, JUST LIVE, RIGHT IN FRONT
11:10:49AM OF US.
11:10:51AM AND YOU JUST SIT AND DO NOTHING.
11:10:53AM AND THESE PEOPLE IN HERE BEFORE WERE CALLING YOU UPSTANDERS.
11:10:57AM NO, YOU ARE BYSTANDERS.
11:10:59AM SO I HOPE THAT YOU'LL GET ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY AND
11:11:06AM STOP BEING BYSTANDERS TO ONE OF THE WORST ATROCITIES THAT
11:11:11AM WE'VE EVER SEEN.
11:11:12AM THANK YOU.
11:11:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:11:14AM [ APPLAUSE ]
11:11:14AM NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:11:18AM >> HI.
11:11:19AM MY NAME IS AMANDA EL SHEIKH ALLEY.
11:11:24AM I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THE TIME IS NOW 11:00.
11:11:26AM WE'VE BEEN HERE TWO HOURS.
11:11:28AM THAT MEANS FOUR MOTHERS IN GAZA HAVE DIED WHILE WE HAVE BEEN
11:11:31AM HERE.
11:11:31AM SO I WAS GOING TO START OFF MY TALK WITH TALKING ABOUT THE
11:11:37AM CURFEW.
11:11:37AM THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR TABLING THAT RIGHT NOW.
11:11:41AM AS EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM BEHIND ME KNOWS, OUR STRUGGLES ARE
11:11:45AM INTERTWINED, SO ANYTHING THAT AFFECTS PEOPLE OF COLOR IS
11:11:50AM GOING TO AFFECT US, TOO, ESPECIALLY WITH THE TAMPA PD BEING
11:11:55AM IOF TRAINED, CROSS-TRAINED.
11:11:57AM I JUST WANT TO ASK, ARE YOU GUYS TIRED?
11:12:03AM ARE YOU GUYS TIRED OF SEEING US HERE?
11:12:05AM HEARING FROM US?
11:12:06AM BECAUSE HONESTLY, WHILE WE'RE SITTING THERE, IT LOOKS LIKE
11:12:10AM SOME OF YOU ARE ABOUT TO FALL ASLEEP.
11:12:12AM NO OFFENSE.
11:12:12AM IF YOU ARE TIRED, PLEASE, JUST DO WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO
11:12:19AM DO.
11:12:20AM STAND UP FOR US LIKE YOU STOOD UP AGAINST THE CURFEW.
11:12:24AM WE ARE NOT TIRED.
11:12:27AM WE ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
11:12:30AM WE WILL CONTINUOUSLY -- WE WILL CONTINUE TO GO AGAINST
11:12:39AM ARTICLES WRITTEN IN THE TAMPA BAY TIMES CALLING
11:12:41AM ANTI-SEMITISM, ANTI-ZIONISM THE SAME THING.
11:12:44AM I WILL CONTINUE TO GO YELL AT JANE CASTOR WHEREVER SHE IS.
11:12:49AM I WAS ON A CALL WITH DRISCOLL YESTERDAY ABOUT HB 187 WHICH
11:12:56AM AGAIN IS AN INFRINGEMENT OF OUR RIGHTS.
11:12:59AM AND IT HAS A LOT OF STUFF ON THERE, BUT I'M GOING TO
11:13:03AM HIGHLIGHT 3J, WHICH IS COMPARING THE JEWS TO THE NAZIS.
11:13:09AM HOW CAN WE SIT THERE AND NOT MAKE THE COMPARISON WHEN GAZA
11:13:13AM IS A CONCENTRATION CAMP WHEN THEY ARE USING WHITE
11:13:18AM PHOSPHOROUS GAS ON CIVILIANS.
11:13:22AM I HAVE HERE FROM MY CONVERSATION YESTERDAY, WE'RE GOING TO
11:13:26AM TALK ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST IN AUSCHWITZ.
11:13:29AM THERE WAS 1 MILLION JEWS WHO WERE KILLED IN AUSCHWITZ IN A
11:13:32AM PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS.
11:13:33AM THERE WERE MORE VICTIMS BUT THEY WERE NOT JEWISH.
11:13:37AM THAT IS ROUGHLY 548 JEWS A DAY.
11:13:42AM RIGHT NOW THE NUMBER THAT HAS BEEN RECORDED IS 25,490 AS OF
11:13:50AM YESTERDAY, I'M SORRY.
11:13:51AM AND UNDER THE RUBBLE, WE ESTIMATE AT LEAST 32,000.
11:13:56AM THAT'S 296 PEOPLE A DAY.
11:14:00AM HOW CAN WE NOT MAKE THE COMPARISON THAT THEY ARE DOING WHAT
11:14:04AM WAS DONE TO THEM?
11:14:05AM NEVER AGAIN, AS SOMEBODY ALREADY SAID, MEANS NEVER AGAIN FOR
11:14:10AM ANYBODY.
11:14:10AM HOW CAN THEY SIT THERE AND TALK ABOUT THEIR FAMILIES AND
11:14:14AM THAT THEY HAVE GRANDCHILDREN HERE TALKING.
11:14:19AM THERE HAVE BEEN ENTIRE LINES OF FAMILIES IN GAZA DECIMATED.
11:14:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:14:27AM [ APPLAUSE ]
11:14:27AM NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:14:32AM >> SAM ABAYS, TAMPA.
11:14:40AM GOOD MORNING MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL.
11:14:40AM MY NAME IS SAM.
11:14:41AM I'M AN ANTIDISCRIMINATION EDUCATOR, LOCAL ACTIVIST.
11:14:44AM SPOKEN WORD POET AND MOST IMPORTANTLY A COMMUNITY PARENT.
11:14:48AM I'M HERE TO TALK TO YOU TODAY ABOUT TWO SPECIFIC ISSUES.
11:14:51AM THE FIRST IS THE CURFEW ORDINANCE.
11:14:54AM GREAT JOB PATTING EACH OTHER ON THE BACK AND NOT PASSING A
11:14:57AM LAZY, KNEE-JERK REACTION THAT FAILS TO KEEP OUR CHILDREN
11:15:01AM SAFE.
11:15:01AM I'M UPSET THAT YOU ALL CONSIDERED A CURFEW TO BEGIN WITH.
11:15:05AM I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT WAS YOUR FIRST GO-TO, AND THE COMMUNITY
11:15:08AM HAD TO STEP IN AND CHECK YOU.
11:15:10AM THAT IS NOT LEADERSHIP.
11:15:11AM YOUR LACK OF INTENTIONALITY IS A PROBLEM AND CAUSES A
11:15:14AM MAJORITY OF US A GREAT DEAL OF UNDO STRESS.
11:15:18AM I FURTHER EMPHASIZE WHAT SOME OF YOU SAID WITH A VIEW OF
11:15:21AM MOVING FORWARD.
11:15:22AM IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOUR AUTHORITY IS OVER THE CITY
11:15:25AM OF TAMPA, NOT OVER MY CHILDREN OR HOW I PARENT THEM.
11:15:28AM IN THE SAME WAY THAT GROUNDING MY CHILDREN FOR GETTING POUR
11:15:32AM GRADES DOESN'T FIX A SYSTEM THAT JUDGES INTELLIGENCE BASED
11:15:35AM ON CONFORMITY AND NOT CREATIVITY, PUTTING MY KIDS UNDER LOCK
11:15:40AM AND KEY DOESN'T MAKE ANYONE OR ANYWHERE SAFER.
11:15:43AM I DO NOT WANT MY CHILDREN TALKING TO THE POLICE.
11:15:46AM I DON'T WANT MY CHILDREN QUESTIONED BY THE POLICE AND
11:15:49AM UNIVERSE HELP US IF ANY OF MY CHILDREN ARE DETAINED BY
11:15:53AM POLICE IN ANY PLACE OF WORSHIP WITHOUT MY EXPRESSED CONSENT.
11:15:57AM CHILDREN ARE NOT YOUR PROPERTY TO LEGISLATE.
11:16:00AM MAKE OUR COMMUNITY SAFER FOR ALL CHILDREN FROM THE GET.
11:16:03AM INVEST IN THE COMMUNITY, GIVE US RESOURCES SO WE CAN RUN
11:16:07AM AFTER-SCHOOL PROGRAMS.
11:16:08AM FIGHT THE STATE'S DANGEROUS, IRRESPONSIBLE GUN LAWS, AND IF
11:16:11AM YOU HAVE ANY SEMBLANCE OF A CONSCIENCE, CHECK YOURSELF
11:16:15AM BEFORE EVEN RECOMMENDING STICKING YOUR TRIGGER FRIENDLY ON
11:16:24AM OUR KIDS.
11:16:24AM THESE ARE OUR CHILDREN AND CONTRARY TO YOUR BELIEFS, YOU DO
11:16:28AM NOT KNOW ANY BETTER THAN US.
11:16:30AM SPEAKING OF KIDS, HERE IS THE SECOND ISSUE.
11:16:32AM THE LAST 110 DAYS, MORE THAN 10,000 CHILDREN HAVE BEEN
11:16:36AM EXECUTED IN GAZA.
11:16:37AM SOME AS YOUNG AS DAYS OLD WITH NO ADULTS ALIVE TO CLAIM
11:16:41AM THEIR BODIES.
11:16:42AM THOSE WHO SURVIVE ARE BEING TREATED FOR CRITICAL INJURY
11:16:45AM WITHOUT ACCESS TO ANESTHESIA OR AFTERCARE, ALL WHILE FACING
11:16:50AM STARVATION.
11:16:50AM IN THE MEANTIME YOU ALL HAVE THE AUDACITY TO TRAVEL FROM
11:16:54AM MOSQUE TO SYNAGOGUE TAKING SIDES.
11:16:57AM PRETEND TO BE ALLIES BUT GOOD ALLIES LISTEN TO EVERYBODY IN
11:17:00AM THE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST THE ONES THAT LINE THEIR PATH TO THE
11:17:03AM MAYOR'S OFFICE.
11:17:04AM CHILDREN ARE BEING MASSACRED AT AN UNPRECEDENTED RATE AND
11:17:08AM TAMPA CITY COUNCIL CAN'T EVEN TAKE A SYMBOLIC STANCE TO CALL
11:17:12AM FOR A PERMANENT CEASE FIRE.
11:17:13AM I'M NOT ASKING YOU FOR YOUR HUMANITY.
11:17:16AM I AM ASKING YOU TO DO YOUR JOBS AND REPRESENT THE PEOPLE OF
11:17:19AM MY CITY.
11:17:20AM PASS A RESOLUTION CALLING FOR A CEASE FIRE AND DO BETTER BY
11:17:24AM EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR CHILDREN.
11:17:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:17:26AM [ APPLAUSE ]
11:17:27AM NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:17:33AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:17:34AM MIKE DRAPAC.
11:17:35AM FIRST, WHAT I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT, BUT I WANT TO SAY
11:17:40AM CLEARLY ISLAMOPHOBIA IS TOTALLY INTOLERABLE.
11:17:46AM IF ANYBODY THINKS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA OR THE STATE OF
11:17:48AM FLORIDA OR IN THE REGIONAL SOUTH THAT THEY ARE GOING TO USE
11:17:52AM OUR LEADERS' INABILITY TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE AS A REASON TO
11:17:57AM ATTACK PEOPLE FOR THEIR BELIEF SYSTEMS OR FOR THEIR CULTURAL
11:18:02AM VALUES, THEY ARE SORELY MISTAKEN.
11:18:05AM THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SAY ON THAT MATTER.
11:18:07AM BUT THANK YOU ALL FOR AT LEAST CONSIDERING REASON WHEN IT
11:18:10AM COMES TO THE CURFEW AND PUTTING THE BRAKES ON IT.
11:18:14AM I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT OUR PROCESS FORWARD AS WE LOOK AT
11:18:18AM THE STUDIES THAT SHOW CURFEWS AREN'T EFFECTIVE AND ACTUALLY
11:18:21AM DO IN MANY CASES THROUGH MARYLAND, CHICAGO AND MANY OF THE
11:18:24AM STUDIES I'VE SEEN INCREASE CRIME, SOME RATHER LARGELY, LIKE
11:18:27AM IN WASHINGTON, D.C.
11:18:28AM SO IT'S GOOD THAT WE PUT THE BRAKES ON IT BECAUSE THE
11:18:32AM STUDIES DO SHOW THAT THERE IS NOT AN EFFICACY TO THE
11:18:36AM CURFEWS.
11:18:37AM BUT THERE IS EFFICACY FOR IS VIOLENCE INTERRUPTER PROGRAMS.
11:18:43AM I KNOW PERSONALLY BASED ON TALKING TO SOME PEOPLE, ANDREW
11:18:47AM JOSEPH FOUNDATION.
11:18:48AM THE BOON STOPPLES CAME TO THE COMMUNITY MEETING.
11:18:52AM TRAGIC WHAT HAPPENED TO THEIR SON BUT TRYING TO SET UP
11:18:57AM INTERRUPTERS.
11:18:57AM THEY NEED FUNDING.
11:18:59AM FUNNY ABOUT THE COMMUNITY MEETING, THANK YOU TO -- I CAN'T
11:19:02AM REMEMBER YOUR NAME AGAIN -- ROBIN LOCKETT, SHE ACTUALLY
11:19:06AM VIDEOTAPED THE MEETING BECAUSE OUR MONEY INTEREST OVER HERE,
11:19:09AM THIS CORNER OF THE ROOM, SPENT A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO
11:19:12AM DEFINE THAT MEETING AS SPLIT EVENLY BUT HER VIDEO SHOWS
11:19:18AM QUITE CLEARLY THE MAJORITY OF US WERE AGAINST IT.
11:19:20AM AGAIN, I THINK THEY GAVE YOU GUYS TOO MUCH CREDIT BECAUSE
11:19:23AM WE'RE ALL AWARE THAT THESE ARE MONEY INTERESTS HERE.
11:19:27AM YOU ARE ALL ELECTED BY MONEY INTERESTS.
11:19:30AM THE MONEY INTEREST HERE DECIDES WHO HERE LOOKS BAD COMPARED
11:19:34AM TO YOU WHEN RUNNING FOR ELECTION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT OUR
11:19:37AM MEDIA DOES.
11:19:38AM TALKING ABOUT PROPAGANDA, VERY MUCH EXISTS.
11:19:40AM PART OF ELECTORAL PROCESS AND ONE OF THE MALFUNCTIONING
11:19:43AM PARTS OF THE ELECTORAL PROCESS.
11:19:45AM AGAIN, I DIGRESS ON THAT AND WANT TO GO INTO SOMETHING ABOUT
11:19:48AM THE ARTS AND THEATER.
11:19:49AM TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITY PROGRAMS, STUDIES SHOW THAT THESE
11:19:53AM PROGRAMS GIVE YOUTH AN EMOTIONAL OUTLET.
11:19:56AM I KEEP HEARING SPORTS.
11:19:58AM I HEAR THE BOXING THING THAT THE POLICE ARE DOING WHICH I'M
11:20:01AM NOT A PROPONENT OF.
11:20:04AM TRYING TO STOP VIOLENCE, WHY ARE WE ENCOURAGING IT.
11:20:06AM WE NEED PROGRAMS THAT BRING US MORE INTO OUR ARTISTIC SPACE,
11:20:10AM INTERNAL SPACE ON COPING AND EMOTIONAL UNDERSTANDING OF
11:20:14AM OURSELVES.
11:20:15AM YOUTH ARE OFTEN EXCLUDED BECAUSE OF THE FEES AND COSTS.
11:20:21AM THE FOSTER CARE CHILDREN AND THE THOUSANDS OF HOMELESS
11:20:24AM CHILDREN WE HAVE IN THE CITY.
11:20:25AM THESE PROGRAMS NEED TO BE FUNDED AND MONEY INTERESTS SPEND
11:20:30AM SO MUCH TIME TRYING TO CONVINCE US WHY WE NEED LAWS, MAYBE
11:20:35AM THEY WOULD BE BETTER SPENT WITH SOME OF THOSE GUYS ON TOP
11:20:38AM TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO FUND THESE PROGRAMS SINCE OUR
11:20:41AM BUSINESSES ARE SO CONCERNED, THE BUSINESS DISTRICT GETS A
11:20:43AM VERY NICE RIVERWALK, BUT WE NEVER GET FUNDING FOR THESE
11:20:47AM PROGRAMS, SURPRISINGLY ENOUGH.
11:20:48AM WE HAVE SOME AND THEY AREN'T WORKING.
11:20:52AM WE NEED MORE.
11:20:53AM MORE MONEY FROM OUR MONEYED INTERESTS IN THE COMMUNITY.
11:20:55AM THEY ALL SHARE THE SAME INTERESTS THAT WE DO IN HAVING A
11:20:58AM SAFER COMMUNITY.
11:20:59AM SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, WE NEED TO INCLUDE THAT.
11:21:02AM FURTHERMORE, FOSTER CHILDREN AND HOMELESS CHILDREN.
11:21:11AM WE NEED TO ADDRESS SOLUTIONS THAT WORK ON HOUSING FOR THEM,
11:21:15AM REDUCING CRIME ISN'T JUST ABOUT LAWS, BUT TRYING TO FIND
11:21:21AM REAL PROGRAMS THAT CAN HELP HOUSE OUR FAMILIES, HOUSE OUR
11:21:24AM CHILDREN, KEEP THEM SAFE, KEEP THEM OFF THE STREETS.
11:21:27AM THE OTHER THING, BOONSTOPPELS BROUGHT UP, TALKING ABOUT GUNS
11:21:33AM IN UNLOCKED CARS.
11:21:35AM CREATE A LAW, TRY TO CREATE AN ORDINANCE THAT FINES PEOPLE
11:21:38AM FOR LEAVING THEIR CARS, THEIR GUNS IN THEIR CARS
11:21:42AM UNSUPERVISED.
11:21:43AM IF YOU'RE GOING TO LEAVE YOUR CAR UNLOCKED AND LEAVE THE GUN
11:21:47AM IN THERE, THIS IS WHERE THE CITY'S LAW MAKING PROCESS SHOULD
11:21:51AM DO DUE DILIGENCE PASSING MORE LAWS.
11:21:56AM THANK YOU FOR BEING CONSIDERATE HERE AND PUTTING THE BRAKES
11:21:59AM ON.
11:21:59AM I THINK WE HAVE A NEW DAY WITH THIS COUNCIL.
11:22:01AM I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING HOW YOU GUYS PROGRESS ON THIS.
11:22:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
11:22:05AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:22:07AM STATE YOUR NAME.
11:22:07AM THREE MINUTES.
11:22:08AM >> KELLY GRIMSDALE, VM YBOR.
11:22:11AM THIS IS THE LAST PLACE I WOULD WANT TO BE.
11:22:15AM COMING HERE BEGGING YOU FOR RELIEF FROM ONE OF THE MANY
11:22:21AM PROBLEMS THAT PLAGUES VM YBOR.
11:22:23AM THE CITY WILL COME BACK LATER TODAY AND TELL YOU THE ROOMING
11:22:26AM HOUSES WHICH HOUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE SEXUALLY PREDATORY
11:22:29AM PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ARE GRANDFATHERED IN.
11:22:31AM WHERE ELSE IN THE CITY IS THERE THE DENSITY THAT IS SEEN IN
11:22:34AM THESE STRUCTURES?
11:22:35AM 30 PEOPLE IN 3200 SQUARE FEET, LIKE WHERE ELSE?
11:22:39AM AND IF THEY WERE GRANDFATHERED IN, THEN WHY WAS THE NUMBER
11:22:41AM OF OCCUPANTS LOWERED FROM 36 TO 30 EACH STRUCTURE.
11:22:47AM IN EARLY 2014 AS THE RESULT OF A HEARING BEFORE A
11:22:52AM MAGISTRATE.
11:22:53AM IT WAS BASED ON THE OWNER OF THE ROOMING HOUSE CHANGING HIS
11:22:56AM OPERATION TO ACT AS A HOTEL AND MEET THAT CODE, WHICH HE
11:22:58AM NEVER FOLLOWED THROUGH WITH.
11:23:00AM AND WHEN DID THE CITY'S CODE REQUIRING A MINIMUM OF 200
11:23:03AM SQUARE FEET HEATED PER PERSON IN A DWELLING BASED ON THE
11:23:07AM FLORIDA FIRE CODE COME ON THE BOOKS?
11:23:08AM I'M SURE THAT WAS PROBABLY PRIOR TO 2009 AND 2010 WHEN JAMES
11:23:13AM PRIMMER PURCHASED THESE PROPERTIES.
11:23:15AM THIS WHOLE SITUATION SOUNDS LIKE EVERY DEPARTMENT IN THE
11:23:17AM CITY IS TURNING A BLIND EYE TO AN UNSCRUPULOUS LANDLORD WHO
11:23:22AM IS EXPLOITING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOUSING PEOPLE THAT SET
11:23:25AM OUT TO HARM OTHERS.
11:23:26AM WHERE ELSE IN THE CITY WOULD THIS EVER BE ALLOWED?
11:23:29AM DEFINITELY NOT IN SOUTH TAMPA.
11:23:31AM TAMPA HEIGHTS, SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, OR ANY OTHER AREA WHERE THE
11:23:34AM CITY HAS CHOSEN WILL PROSPER AND THRIVE.
11:23:37AM I GET IT.
11:23:37AM NO ONE WANTS THESE PEOPLE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
11:23:40AM WELL, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT 72 WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OF MY
11:23:43AM HOUSE.
11:23:43AM THIS CONCENTRATION OF SEXUALLY PREDATORY PEOPLE IS HOLDING
11:23:46AM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BACK AND HARMING OUR RESIDENTS WITH LOWER
11:23:50AM HOME VALUES AND A LACK OF AMENITIES.
11:23:51AM OTHER THAN FAMILY DOLLAR, WE'VE HAD ABSOLUTELY NO ECONOMIC
11:23:55AM PROGRESS ALONG OUR MAJOR ECONOMIC CORRIDOR SINCE THE ROOMING
11:23:59AM HOUSES CAME ON LINE AND MOVED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN APRIL
11:24:03AM OF 2013.
11:24:04AM THERE IS AN EASY SOLUTION TO THE ISSUE.
11:24:07AM ENFORCE THE COUNTY'S EXISTING ORDINANCE ON THE BOOKS THAT
11:24:09AM DOES NOT ALLOW FOR THE CLUSTERING IN THE FIRST PLACE.
11:24:12AM IF THE CITY WOULD HAVE TAKEN ACTION WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS
11:24:14AM CLUSTERING TO THEIR ATTENTION IN 2012 WITH FRANK REDDICK,
11:24:18AM OUR CITY COUNCIL PERSON, WE WOULDN'T BE WASTING OUR TIME,
11:24:22AM EVERYONE'S TIME, 12 YEARS LATER AND WALKING AWAY WITH
11:24:26AM GETTING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING RESOLVED BECAUSE SOME CITY
11:24:29AM EMPLOYEES DIDN'T DO THEIR JOB WHEN THESE ROOMING HOUSES CAME
11:24:33AM ONLINE, IT APPEARS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE FORCED TO LIVE
11:24:36AM WITH THIS FOREVER.
11:24:37AM THIS IS DOWN RIGHT UNFAIR TO ALL THE RESIDENTS IN VM YBOR.
11:24:40AM I THINK I HAVE A RIGHT AS A HOMEOWNER TO FEEL SAFE IN MY
11:24:44AM NEIGHBORHOOD AS EVERYONE ELSE DOES IN THEIRS.
11:24:46AM I AM BEING DENIED THAT RIGHT BY THE CITY REFUSING TO ENFORCE
11:24:49AM THE CITY CODES EQUITABLY ACROSS THE BOARD.
11:24:52AM REGARDING THE CURFEW, I DON'T THINK CURFEW IS THE SOLUTION.
11:24:55AM EXPOSING THE KIDS TO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY SEE
11:24:58AM IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
11:24:59AM TRASH ACCUMULATION, TRASH ACCUMULATION, LOITERING, OPEN DRUG
11:25:05AM USE, OPEN ALCOHOL USE.
11:25:06AM OUR KIDS SHOULD NOT BE SEEING THIS DAY IN AND DAY OUT.
11:25:09AM THEY SHOULD BE IN PROGRAMS ARTS, DANCE, SOMETHING --
11:25:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:25:14AM YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:25:15AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:25:16AM KIM HEADLAND, 1023 17th AVENUE.
11:25:20AM I LIVE IN VM YBOR AND HAVE 25 YEARS.
11:25:22AM HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 55.
11:25:24AM WE HAVE BEEN COMING HERE SINCE 2012 AND SINCE 2012,
11:25:29AM THOUSANDS OF OFFENDERS AND PREDATORS HAVE BEEN DELIBERATELY
11:25:33AM FUNNELED INTO OUR COMMUNITY MUCH TO THE FINANCIAL BENEFIT OF
11:25:36AM A FEW PROPERTY OWNERS.
11:25:38AM MOST OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE LIVING IN JUST THREE
11:25:41AM STRUCTURES ON A SINGLE BLOCK ON NEBRASKA AVENUE AND CAMPING
11:25:46AM ON THAT SAME BLOCK.
11:25:47AM THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS ON THE 2800 BLOCK OF
11:25:51AM NEBRASKA HAVE COMMITTED SERIOUS CRIMES ON CHILDREN UNDER 15
11:25:57AM YEARS OLD.
11:25:57AM OVER 30% OF THOSE FOLKS ARE FROM JURISDICTIONS OUTSIDE OF
11:26:02AM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND EVEN OUTSIDE OF FLORIDA.
11:26:06AM SO FOR MORE THAN A DECADE, WE HAVE BEEN ASKING WHY IS IT
11:26:10AM OKAY FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS AND FDLE TO
11:26:14AM DELIBERATELY PUSH PEOPLE FROM PINELLAS, MANATEE, CITRUS,
11:26:16AM MONROE AND EVEN KENTUCKY TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:26:19AM BUT WAIT A SECOND, IT IS NOT JUST THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:26:23AM IT IS A VERY SPECIFIC AREA WITHIN EAST TAMPA.
11:26:26AM SO IT'S CERTAIN AREAS, RIGHT.
11:26:30AM THIS HAS BEEN A VERY SYSTEMATIC AND DEBILITATE RELEASE OF
11:26:33AM INDIVIDUALS -- DELIBERATE RELEASE OF INDIVIDUALS WHERE THERE
11:26:37AM IS HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, KIND OF, SORT OF SOMETIMES.
11:26:42AM NEBRASKA AVENUE AND VM YBOR BEARS THE BRUNT OF THIS
11:26:47AM CLUSTERING.
11:26:48AM IT IS A VERY REAL LIFE SAFETY CONCERN FOR CRAMMING 30
11:26:53AM INDIVIDUALS WITHIN 3,000 SQUARE FEET.
11:26:55AM THAT'S INSANE.
11:26:56AM AND UNFORTUNATELY AFTER SEVERAL YEARS AND MOTIONS, WE'VE
11:27:00AM ONLY VERY RECENTLY HEARD FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT THAT ALL
11:27:04AM COMPLAINTS HAVE BEEN CLEARED AND AS OF RIGHT NOW THERE ARE
11:27:06AM NO ACTIVE CASES ON THE PROPERTY.
11:27:08AM IT'S FANTASTIC.
11:27:09AM I AM HERE TODAY ASKING THAT THE CITY CAREFULLY EVALUATE THE
11:27:14AM IMPACT OF THIS SORT OF SYSTEMATIC PRACTICE ON A NEIGHBORHOOD
11:27:17AM AND ON THE FUTURE.
11:27:19AM QUITE HONESTLY, ON THE FUTURE OF THE EAST TAMPA COMMUNITY.
11:27:22AM I AM ASKING THAT YOU END THIS DELIBERATE CLUSTERING OF
11:27:27AM PREDATORY PEOPLE IN CERTAIN AREAS OF TAMPA.
11:27:30AM WE -- SPECIFICALLY, I'M ASKING THAT COUNCIL PUSH CITY
11:27:33AM ADMINISTRATION TO WORK DILIGENTLY WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF
11:27:37AM CORRECTIONS AND FDLE TO END THAT DELIBERATE PRACTICE OF
11:27:41AM DIRECTING TO VERY SPECIFIC UNDERSERVED AREAS OF OUR CITY,
11:27:45AM EVEN WHEN THEY ARE FROM OUTSIDE OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
11:27:47AM WE ASK THAT THE CITY REQUEST AND ADVOCATE FOR MORE EQUITABLE
11:27:51AM RELEASE ACROSS OUR REGION AND A REVISION OF THE HOUSING
11:27:54AM RESTRICTIONS FOR PAROLEES AND THOSE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
11:27:59AM OUR COMMUNITY HAS ONE SEXUAL PREDATOR OR OFFENDER FOR EVERY
11:28:05AM 25 RESIDENTS.
11:28:07AM OVERALL, THAT'S TEN TIMES THE AMOUNT THAT ANY OTHER
11:28:09AM NEIGHBORHOOD SEES.
11:28:10AM THAT SHOULDN'T BE THE CASE FOR OUR CHILDREN.
11:28:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:28:14AM YES, MA'AM.
11:28:14AM NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:28:20AM >> HI.
11:28:21AM I'M HUMIRA.
11:28:25AM I LIVE IN WEST TAMPA.
11:28:26AM I HAVE THREE TOPICS TO ADDRESS.
11:28:28AM HOUSING, THE CURFEW AND CITY COUNCIL SILENCE ON GENOCIDE IN
11:28:32AM GAZA AND ON ISLAMOPHOBIA AND ANTI-PALESTINIAN ACTIVITY RIGHT
11:28:36AM HERE IN TAMPA AFFECTING PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE WHO ARE YOUR
11:28:40AM CONSTITUENTS.
11:28:40AM HOUSING.
11:28:42AM BASICALLY WHAT TATIANA SAID.
11:28:44AM WE NEED MORE HOUSING, AND IT NEEDS TO BE HOUSING THAT
11:28:47AM REGULAR PEOPLE CAN AFFORD.
11:28:49AM IT IS A CRISIS THAT'S GETTING WORSE, NOT BETTER.
11:28:53AM INCREMENTALISM AND CONSERVATIVE POLICY IS NOT GOING TO GET
11:28:58AM US OUT OF THIS.
11:28:58AM NO MORE DELAYS.
11:29:00AM NO MORE BAND-AIDS.
11:29:01AM GO BIG.
11:29:02AM START DOING SOMETHING.
11:29:03AM PLEASE STOP FOCUSING ON THE WISHES OF PEOPLE WHO ALREADY
11:29:07AM HAVE HOUSING THAT THEY CAN AFFORD AND FOCUS ON THE PEOPLE
11:29:11AM WHO ARE STRUGGLING TO FIND OR PAY FOR THEIR HOUSING.
11:29:14AM YOU MOSTLY ONLY HEAR FROM PEOPLE WHO ALREADY LIVE IN
11:29:18AM NEIGHBORHOODS AND NOT FROM PEOPLE WHO CAN'T LIVE THERE
11:29:21AM BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN PRICED OUT OR BECAUSE ADDITIONAL
11:29:24AM UNITS ARE STYMIED BY RULES WITH RACIST AND CLASSIST ROOTS.
11:29:28AM LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES WILL COME IN FRONT OF YOU IN THE
11:29:32AM COMING WEEKS.
11:29:33AM PLEASE LISTEN TO THE POLICY EXPERTS.
11:29:36AM LISTEN TO THE POLICY EXPERTS.
11:29:39AM THE CURFEW, I'LL KEEP THIS SHORT.
11:29:41AM I APPRECIATE YOU NOT PURSUING THE CURFEW.
11:29:44AM WHY WAS IT PROPOSED IN THE FIRST PLACE?
11:29:46AM I WAS -- I WILL POINT OUT I'M RATHER TROUBLED BY THE VERY
11:29:51AM POOR QUALITY OF THE CONTENT OF THIS REPORT.
11:29:54AM AND IT REALLY MAKES ME WONDER, IS THE QUALITY THE SAME IN
11:29:58AM MANY OTHER REPORTS.
11:30:01AM IT'S VERY SLOPPY.
11:30:02AM IT'S NOT EXACTLY REFLECTIVE OF THE DATA THAT IS ACTUALLY OUT
11:30:07AM THERE.
11:30:07AM CHERRYPICKING AND NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE RELEVANT
11:30:10AM RESEARCH.
11:30:11AM LET ME READ ONE QUICK QUOTE TO REFLECT THIS.
11:30:14AM THIS IS A QUOTE.
11:30:16AM THIS IS NOT MY OWN WORDS.
11:30:18AM VOLUMINOUS BODY OF RESEARCH HAS CAST STRONG DOUBTS ON THE
11:30:21AM CLAIMS THAT JUVENILE CURFEW LAWS PREVENT VICTIMIZATION OR
11:30:25AM REDUCED JUVENILE CRIME BUT THESE FINDINGS HAVE RECEIVED
11:30:29AM SCANT ATTENTION FROM POLICY MAKERS OR POLICE.
11:30:33AM THE ARTICLE IS FULL OF LINKS TO ACADEMIC OR SCIENTIFIC
11:30:37AM RESEARCH THAT SHOW THAT THEY DON'T WORK, THAT THEY CAUSE
11:30:40AM MORE HARM.
11:30:41AM IT TOOK ME FIVE MINUTES TO FIND THOSE.
11:30:44AM REALLY, I WASN'T PUTTING ANY OF MY Ph.D. SKILLS IN USE
11:30:48AM EITHER.
11:30:49AM FIVE MINUTES AT A TON OF STUFF.
11:30:52AM ANYWAY, MOVING ON, WHAT IEDA SAID, WHAT SO MANY PEOPLE
11:30:58AM BEFORE ME SAID.
11:31:00AM 35% OF AMERICANS BELIEVE ISRAEL IS COMMITTING GENOCIDE.
11:31:06AM 35%.
11:31:06AM THAT IS RECENT DATA.
11:31:09AM 29% ARE UNDECIDED.
11:31:11AM A LOT OF THAT 29% IS GOING TO CHANGE THEIR MIND AND THINK
11:31:14AM THE SAME THING VERY SOON.
11:31:17AM 49% OF 18 TO 29-YEAR-OLDS BELIEVE IT IS GENOCIDE.
11:31:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:31:27AM >> WE'RE PAYING FOR I JUST HAVE TO SAY THE ADL DEFINES
11:31:32AM PROPALESTINIAN VOICES AS BEING BY DEFINITION ANTI-SEMITIC.
11:31:37AM WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE STATISTICS, LOOK AT WHAT'S BEHIND
11:31:40AM THEM.
11:31:41AM SPEAKING UP FOR PALESTINE IS NOT ANTI-SEMITISM.
11:31:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:31:45AM >> LOOK AT THE DATA.
11:31:46AM LOOK AT THE SOURCES OF THE DATA.
11:31:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:31:55AM >> HELLO.
11:31:56AM ANGEL D'ANGELO.
11:31:58AM I DO LIVE IN YBOR CITY NOW.
11:32:00AM CAN BARELY AFFORD IT BECAUSE I HAVE TO PAY FOR ALL THE
11:32:03AM PARKING TO COME SPEAK TO MY GOVERNMENT WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY
11:32:05AM UNACCEPTABLE.
11:32:08AM CUT DOWN THOSE CEREMONIES WHILE WE'RE ALL WAITING BECAUSE I
11:32:11AM SHOULD BE AT WORK MAKING MONEY.
11:32:13AM SINCE I CAN'T AFFORD THERAPY, I HAVE TO COME OUT AND GET IT
11:32:17AM OUT ON YOU ALL.
11:32:18AM FIRST THINGS FIRST, A CURFEW WAS A JOKE FROM THE BEGINNING.
11:32:22AM RESTORATIVE JUSTICE COALITION SENT YOU DATA SINCE 2017 ON
11:32:26AM THINGS THAT WOULD WORK THAT HAVE WORKED IN OTHER CITIES.
11:32:29AM VIOLENCE INTERRUPTERS, PROGRAMS THAT DON'T USE THE POLICE.
11:32:32AM WHY?
11:32:32AM BECAUSE THE POLICE HAVE ALREADY LOST THE TRUST OF SO MANY
11:32:36AM COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
11:32:36AM WHEN I ASKED POLICE CHIEF BERCAW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF A
11:32:40AM YOUTH WAS FOUND AFTER HOURS, HE TOLD ME THAT THEY WOULD BE
11:32:45AM SENT TO A FACILITY, AKA JAIL, OR A CHURCH.
11:32:51AM NOW, WHAT WOULD THAT DO FOR MUSLIM OR JEWISH YOUTH IF THEY
11:32:55AM ARE SENT TO A CHRISTIAN CHURCH OR LGBTQIA YOUTH, THAT SOUNDS
11:33:03AM LIKE A PIPELINE TO CONVERSION THERAPY TO ME, SO THAT'S NOT
11:33:04AM ACCEPTABLE.
11:33:06AM WE NEED ACTUAL SOLUTIONS.
11:33:07AM DID YOU KNOW THAT POLICE REACT TO CRIME VERY POORLY?
11:33:10AM LOOK AT THE MURDER RATE SOLUTIONS.
11:33:13AM THEY REACT TO.
11:33:14AM THEY DO NOT STOP.
11:33:15AM THE POLICE WERE IN YBOR CITY THE NIGHT THE TRAGEDY HAPPENED.
11:33:18AM WHAT WERE THEY DOING IS THE QUESTION.
11:33:20AM PROBABLY HARASSING A HOMELESS PERSON FOR NOT HAVING A PLACE
11:33:22AM TO LIVE.
11:33:23AM PROBABLY WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
11:33:24AM THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS DOWN THERE.
11:33:26AM IF YOU WANT SOLUTIONS, THE SOLUTIONS ARE PROACTIVE.
11:33:29AM IN 2022, A LARGE AUDIENCE JUST THIS SIZE DEMANDED A HOUSING
11:33:34AM EMERGENCY TO BE CALLED.
11:33:36AM IT TOOK MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS OF RESEARCH, STUDYING.
11:33:39AM WE HAD TO FIND OUT, IS THERE REALLY A HOUSING CRISIS?
11:33:42AM ARE PEOPLE REALLY POOR, REALLY STRUGGLING?
11:33:44AM WE STILL DIDN'T GET A HOUSING EMERGENCY.
11:33:47AM ONE HORRIBLE TRAGEDY, BOOM, CURFEW, RIGHT OUT THE GATE.
11:33:51AM I THINK BECAUSE RACISM IS A BIG MOTIVATOR IN THIS CITY.
11:33:56AM I REALLY DO.
11:33:57AM SPEAKING OF, THERE IS OBVIOUSLY A GENOCIDE HAPPENING IN
11:34:02AM GAZA, AND WE ARE COMPLICIT IN IT BECAUSE OUR TAX DOLLARS GO
11:34:07AM TO IT.
11:34:08AM I DON'T HAVE A CHOICE.
11:34:09AM I HAVE TO PAY THE TAXES.
11:34:12AM BUT YOU HAVE THE CHOICE TO PASS A RESOLUTION.
11:34:14AM YOU PASSED ONE ON ANTI-SEMITISM.
11:34:16AM GREAT.
11:34:17AM DON'T WANT IT IN THE CITY.
11:34:18AM WHY NOT PASS SOMETHING ON ISLAMOPHOBIA OR DEMANDING A CEASE
11:34:23AM FIRE.
11:34:24AM YOU WERE ABLE TO DO IT FOR ONE GROUP?
11:34:26AM WHY ARE YOU NOT ABLE TO DO IT FOR ANOTHER?
11:34:30AM IF I WAS A DEVELOPER, YOU COULD TALK BACK TO ME, BUT NOT ME.
11:34:36AM ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
11:34:37AM YOU HAVE PALESTINIANS LIVING RIGHT HERE IN TAMPA.
11:34:40AM RIGHT HERE IN TAMPA, AND THEIR FAMILIES ARE BEING MASSACRED
11:34:43AM AND THEY HAVE THE BRAVERY TO COME UP HERE.
11:34:46AM I DON'T THINK I COULD SPEAK TO YOU AS CALMLY AS I HAVE.
11:34:49AM DON'T DESERVE AN OUNCE OF GRACE IF YOU CAN'T PASS BARE
11:34:54AM MINIMUM A RESOLUTION.
11:34:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:34:56AM NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:35:00AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
11:35:02AM DARRYL HYCH.
11:35:03AM GOOGLE DEFINES THE CITY COUNCIL AS BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR
11:35:10AM CREATING AND ENFORCING LAWS CALLED ORDINANCES, LAWS CALLED
11:35:15AM ORDINANCES INSIDE THE CITY.
11:35:17AM GOOGLE ALSO STATED THAT THE CITY COUNCIL'S MEMBERS ROLES AND
11:35:25AM RESPONSIBILITY IS TO ATTEND REGULAR MEETINGS TO DISCUSS CITY
11:35:30AM POLICIES AND CHANGES TO LAW.
11:35:32AM BAY NEWS 9 STATED THE OTHER DAY, GOT A QUOTE, AND THE QUOTE
11:35:40AM STATED FROM ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO MOVE THIS FORWARD,
11:35:48AM THIS IS RESOLUTION NUMBER 568.
11:35:50AM TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, SOMEONE ON THE COUNCIL WILL NEED TO
11:35:55AM LEAD THE EFFORT AND THE MAYOR WOULD NEED TO COOPERATE AND
11:36:00AM DEDICATE STAFF AND RESOURCES TO IMPLEMENT IT.
11:36:03AM THERE IS A BUSINESS LOCATED AT 401 EAST OAK AVENUE KNOWN AS
11:36:15AM THE -- UNDER THE REGISTERED NAME OF HBCU LEGACY PROJECT.
11:36:22AM THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS WAS REGISTERED JANUARY 10 OF THIS
11:36:27AM YEAR.
11:36:27AM I'M A LITTLE FRUSTRATED BECAUSE AS I JUST STATED, THE ROLE
11:36:33AM OF CITY COUNCIL IS TO BRING FORTH LAW AND ORDINANCE.
11:36:40AM BUT WE HAVE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAVE TAKEN THE TIME, AND
11:36:44AM THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, BUT THEY HAVE TAKEN THE
11:36:47AM TIME TO OPEN UP BUSINESSES AND ESTABLISHMENTS AND THEY HAVE
11:36:50AM TAKEN THE OPPORTUNITY IN THE WINDOW THAT I KNOW I'VE BEEN
11:36:58AM COMING DOWN HERE AND TALKING ABOUT RESOLUTION 568.
11:37:01AM TO CONSIDER OPENING UP A PRIVATELY OWNED BUSINESS AND IT TO
11:37:04AM BE CALLED THE HISTORICAL BLACK COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITY LEGACY
11:37:10AM PROJECT, THAT WOULD BE THE ONE THING THAT SHOULD RIDDLE YOUR
11:37:17AM MIND AND MAKE YOU SAY, HEY, I HAVE A PROJECT THAT IS DEALING
11:37:21AM WITH WHAT RESOLUTION NUMBER 561 IS TARGETING.
11:37:25AM THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL HAVE BOUGHT INTO.
11:37:28AM WHEN I JOINED THE MILITARY AND I TOOK OVER A LOCAL COMMAND,
11:37:32AM WHEN I WENT TO THAT LOCAL COMMAND, I TOOK ON THE RIGHTS AND
11:37:36AM RESPONSIBILITIES OF THAT LOCAL COMMAND.
11:37:38AM BAY NEWS 9 SAID ORLANDO GUDES IS NOT HERE.
11:37:42AM WELL, SOMEONE IS HERE.
11:37:44AM SOMEONE NEEDS TO PICK UP THIS MANTLE AND RUN WITH IT.
11:37:47AM SOMEONE, BECAUSE IF I TOOK OVER A COMMAND AT MacDILL,
11:37:51AM WHICH I DID, I DID AN ASSESSMENT OF ALL THINGS THAT TOOK
11:37:56AM PLACE AT MACDILL AIR FORCE BASE AND THEN I IMPLEMENT CHANGE.
11:38:01AM PICK UP 568 AND MAKE THE DIFFERENCE FOR THE PEOPLE.
11:38:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
11:38:08AM >> JUST BEFORE SHE STARTS SPEAKING, 22 MINUTES, SIX MOTHERS
11:38:13AM THAT HAVE DIED IN GAZA.
11:38:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:38:16AM >> WE SEE YOU.
11:38:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
11:38:19AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:38:21AM >> GIGI GADDIS.
11:38:23AM I LAST APPEARED BEFORE YOU DECEMBER 21st, 2023, COUNCIL
11:38:28AM MEETING, SPEAKING ON RESOLUTION 568.
11:38:30AM THIS IS MY FOLLOW-UP TO I HAVEN'T RECEIVED A RESPONSE TO
11:38:35AM ANYTHING.
11:38:36AM COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU TOOK ME ASIDE.
11:38:38AM YOU TOOK MY INFORMATION.
11:38:40AM WE SWAPPED E-MAILS.
11:38:41AM NOBODY HAS CONTACTED ME FOR WHEN YOU WILL BE AVAILABLE TO
11:38:45AM TALK TO ME.
11:38:46AM I'M READY.
11:38:47AM WHENEVER YOU HAVE TIME, I'M AVAILABLE TO YOU TO DISCUSS
11:38:49AM THIS.
11:38:50AM MY QUESTIONS FOR RESOLUTION 568 ON DECEMBER 21st, 2023,
11:38:56AM WERE WHO WILL CHAMPION THIS ACTION?
11:38:58AM I ASKED THE BOARD THAT, WHO WILL CHAMPION THIS ACTION?
11:39:01AM EVERYBODY ELSE IS ASKING THE SAME QUESTIONS.
11:39:05AM WHAT CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS ARE YOU WORKING WITH TO
11:39:08AM DISCUSS THIS RESOLUTION?
11:39:10AM WHAT FUNDS HAVE BEEN COMMITTED TO START THE COMMISSION ON
11:39:14AM THIS RESOLUTION?
11:39:15AM NOW, FOR THAT PARTICULAR ONE, I WAS SURPRISED THAT YOUR
11:39:22AM STAFF REPORT 51, YOU'RE GIVING THE POLICE $280,000, AND YOU
11:39:27AM HAVE GIVEN THEM AND YOU ARE WAITING FOR A STATUS.
11:39:31AM SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW DID THEY GET MONEY BEFORE A
11:39:35AM PROPOSITION OF A SOLUTION TO USE THE MONEY.
11:39:38AM SO YOU GRANTED THEM -- THIS IS HOW IT READS TO ME.
11:39:41AM I'M NOT A LAWYER NOR DO I PLAY ONE ON TELEVISION.
11:39:44AM BUT IT SAYS STAFF TO REPORT ON WAYS TO USE THE $280,000.
11:39:50AM WHY WAS THAT MONEY EVEN INTO PLAY IF THERE WAS NOT A PLAN IN
11:39:54AM PLACE?
11:39:55AM IF THIS PLACE IS GIVING OUT MONEY, THIS IS 2020 WHEN THIS
11:40:00AM WAS SIGNED.
11:40:01AM NO MONEY HAS BEEN ALLOCATED FOR THIS.
11:40:04AM TODAY HAS BEEN, SO MUCH HAS BEEN SPOKEN ABOUT TODAY
11:40:07AM CONCERNING HUMAN RIGHTS.
11:40:10AM SPEAKS TO THE CONDITION OF THE WORLD TODAY.
11:40:12AM I EMPATHIZE, ESPECIALLY AS A BLACK WOMAN LIVING IN THIS
11:40:16AM WORLD IN 2024.
11:40:17AM 1619 THE FIRST SHIP BRINGING SLAVES TO THE UNITED COLONIES.
11:40:23AM 1687, SLAVES REACHING FLORIDA WERE FREE.
11:40:27AM 1845, FLORIDA BECAME A SLAVE STATE.
11:40:31AM 1865 FLORIDA ABOLISHED SLAVERY.
11:40:34AM 2020 YOUR CITY COUNCIL SIGNED A RESOLUTION ACKNOWLEDGING
11:40:42AM WHAT YOU HAD DONE TO AFRICAN AMERICAN PEOPLE.
11:40:45AM FROM 1845 TO 2020, THAT'S 179 YEARS.
11:40:49AM I DID THE MATH BECAUSE SINCE WE'RE CELEBRATING THE HOLOCAUST
11:40:52AM AND WHATNOT, LET ME DO MY OWN MATH ON BLACK PEOPLE IN THE
11:40:56AM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, ESPECIALLY FLORIDA.
11:40:58AM I'M A NEW RESIDENT AND I WILL ALWAYS -- I'M NEW.
11:41:01AM I DON'T KNOW HOW THINGS WORK IN FLORIDA.
11:41:03AM I'M NOT IMPRESSED SO FAR, BUT I AM HERE TO HELP YOU DO
11:41:08AM WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO, ESPECIALLY FOR THIS RESOLUTION 568.
11:41:12AM ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR IS YOU TO GIVE US THE SAME LATITUDE
11:41:15AM THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN EVERY OTHER RESOLUTION, EVERY OTHER
11:41:18AM STAFF REPORT, ANYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE.
11:41:21AM IF YOU'RE THROWING AWAY MONEY, THROW IT AWAY HERE BECAUSE
11:41:24AM THIS WAS SIGNED IN 2020.
11:41:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
11:41:26AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:41:26AM NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:41:34AM >> HELLO.
11:41:34AM I'M BLACK ROSE.
11:41:35AM I AM A TAMPA RESIDENT AND I HAVE -- EAST TAMPA RESIDENT.
11:41:45AM I'VE GOT A LOT TO SAY.
11:41:46AM SO I WANT TO START BY SAYING I DO NOT WANT LESS FOR OTHERS.
11:41:51AM I JUST WANT MORE FOR US.
11:41:52AM LIKE, HOW HAS IT BEEN 400 YEARS?
11:41:55AM HOW HAS IT BEEN THIS LONG AND WE HAVE NO RECOGNITION, NO
11:41:59AM RESOLUTIONS, NO RESOLUTION, BUT NO ACTION.
11:42:03AM I FULLY BELIEVE THAT ONCE A COMMUNITY STARTS TO VALUE THEIR
11:42:07AM BLACK RESIDENTS AND MAKES RACISM ILLEGAL, IT TRULY WILL BE A
11:42:11AM SAFER COMMUNITY FOR ALL PEOPLE OF COLOR.
11:42:13AM HOWEVER, THERE ARE A LOT OF DISPARITIES TO MANY COMMUNITIES.
11:42:17AM SOME FOLKS GET ACTIVE EFFORTS SO MUCH SOONER THAN OTHERS,
11:42:22AM OTHERS LIKE THIS BLACK COMMUNITY I'M SPEAKING OF RIGHT NOW.
11:42:25AM BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT HERE IN TAMPA, THE RESOLUTION.
11:42:29AM IT CAN TAKE WEEKS TO MONTHS FROM HARM AND INJUSTICE TO GET
11:42:34AM SOME INSTANCES OF ACTIVE ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS TO
11:42:38AM PREVENT HARM.
11:42:39AM LIKE THIS JUMPING INTO THE WALKING WHILE BLACK OR HAVING THE
11:42:45AM RESOLUTION FOR ANTI-SEMITISM.
11:42:48AM HOWEVER, LET'S SEE, BUT FINALLY, FINALLY IN 2020, THE BLACK
11:42:54AM AND AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITIES GETS PUBLIC RECOGNITION OF
11:42:57AM THE HARM DONE TO US OVER THE PAST FEW CENTURIES.
11:43:00AM AFTER CENTURIES -- CENTURIES, WE ARE FINALLY SEEING
11:43:06AM RESOLUTION 568.
11:43:08AM IT WAS ADOPTED IN SEPTEMBER OF 2020, BUT IN THE PAST THREE
11:43:12AM AND A HALF YEARS, THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY RECONCILIATION
11:43:16AM COMMISSION PUT INTO PLACE.
11:43:17AM IN SECTION 3, THE RESOLUTION EXPLICITLY STATES SIX ACTION
11:43:22AM ITEMS AS WELL AS THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO EVEN MORE THAN THAT,
11:43:25AM YET LESS THAN NOTHING, LESS THAN NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE
11:43:28AM BECAUSE IT SEEMS YOU ALL HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT IT.
11:43:31AM WE WANT TO KNOW WHY THE CITY HAS NOT MOVED FORWARD WITH THIS
11:43:34AM RESOLUTION.
11:43:36AM YOU BLAME IT ON GUDES NOT BEING HERE ANYMORE, BUT THAT'S NOT
11:43:40AM FAIR BECAUSE HOW MANY OF YOU ALL VOTED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:43:43AM THE THREE OF YOU ALL NEWBIES, GRANDFATHERED IN AS YOU HEARD
11:43:48AM MULTIPLE TIMES.
11:43:50AM WHY HAS THERE BEEN NOTHING DONE IN THREE AND A HALF YEARS?
11:43:54AM WHY HAVE WE NOT MOVED FORWARD WITH THIS RESOLUTION.
11:43:57AM IF YOU DRIVE AROUND EAST TAMPA, WHAT USED TO BE TAMPA PARK,
11:44:01AM MOST AREAS OF CONSTRUCTION USED TO BE THRIVING
11:44:05AM MULTIGENERATIONAL NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE -- WHERE ARE ALL THE
11:44:09AM PEOPLE NOW?
11:44:10AM WHERE DID YOU SEND THEM?
11:44:11AM WHERE ARE ALL THE FAMILIES?
11:44:12AM DID YOU GIVE THEM MONEY TO MOVE TO BUILD THE MULTIMILLION
11:44:15AM DOLLARS CONDOS AND OTHER STUFF?
11:44:17AM WHAT HAPPENED.
11:44:19AM WHERE ARE THE FAMILIES?
11:44:19AM DID YOU ALL PAY THEM OR PUSH THEM OUT OF THEIR HOMES?
11:44:22AM THIS IS JUST ONE REASON WHY WE NEED RESOLUTION 568.
11:44:27AM DID THE CITY THINK THAT WE WOULD BE PLACATED BY OTHER WORDS?
11:44:36AM BLAMED IT ON OTHER PEOPLE, IT WAS A UNANIMOUS DECISION, YET
11:44:39AM WE HAVE GIVEN YOU THREE YEARS, THREE YEARS TO GET IT
11:44:41AM TOGETHER.
11:44:42AM WE NEED ACTION, NOT LIP SERVICE.
11:44:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:44:44AM NEXT SPEAKER.
11:44:45AM YES, MA'AM.
11:44:47AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:44:48AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:44:49AM MY NAME IS NOREENE KOPELAND MILLER.
11:44:53AM I AM A MEMBER OF THE HISTORIC BELMONT HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD
11:44:56AM ASSOCIATION.
11:44:57AM I'M HERE THIS MORNING, I CAME DOWN TO SPEAK ABOUT THE CURFEW
11:45:01AM AND YOU ALL HAVE TABLED THAT.
11:45:03AM BUT I DO KNOW THAT ALL OUR CIRCUMSTANCES ARE DIFFERENT.
11:45:07AM WE HAVE A LOT GOING ON.
11:45:08AM I'VE BEEN BORN, RAISED IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:45:15AM 70 YEARS, I KNOW WE HAD A CURFEW WHEN I WAS GROWING UP
11:45:20AM BECAUSE WE AND WHATEVER HAPPENED WITH THAT CURFEW IN THE
11:45:23AM CITY 40 YEARS AGO, WHATEVER, I THINK STOPPED BEING ENFORCED.
11:45:27AM AS I SIT HERE AND LISTEN TO ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT
11:45:30AM ARE GOING ON WITH DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT
11:45:32AM MY COMMUNITY BECAUSE I LOOK AND FROM A CULTURAL PERSPECTIVE,
11:45:37AM WE AS BLACK PEOPLE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN SURVIVORS.
11:45:40AM WE KNOW IN THIS CITY THAT WE HAVE BUILT THIS CITY ON OUR
11:45:45AM BACKS.
11:45:46AM WE ARE THE ONES THAT GET THE LEAST FOR ANYTHING.
11:45:49AM I'M HERE TO SAY IF WE CAN SAVE OUR BABIES BECAUSE OUR
11:45:53AM CHILDREN, OUR CHILDREN OF COLOR, OUR BLACK YOUNG MEN AND
11:45:58AM WOMEN ARE THE ONES KILLING EACH OTHER.
11:46:00AM AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE JUVENILES, THEY ARE SAYING THAT GUNS
11:46:04AM KILL PEOPLE.
11:46:05AM THESE JUVENILES HAVE GUNS.
11:46:07AM I'M A SENIOR CITIZEN.
11:46:08AM I'M CONCERNED.
11:46:09AM I TREAT EVERYBODY WITH RESPECT, BUT WHAT IS ONE DAY THIS
11:46:12AM JUVENILE 12 YEARS OLD WALK UP TO ME TO GET A DOLLAR OR TWO
11:46:17AM AND SHOOT ME.
11:46:18AM THEY DO THAT.
11:46:18AM THESE KIDS HAVE GUNS.
11:46:20AM WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING TO HOLD PARENTS ACCOUNTABLE.
11:46:23AM IT'S GOING TO TAKE ALL OF US TO MAKE THIS WORK.
11:46:25AM WE CAN STAND HERE AND SAY ALL WE WANT TO SAY ABOUT WHAT TO
11:46:28AM DO OR NOT TO DO, AS A WOMAN OF COLOR, WE NEED TO SAVE OUR
11:46:33AM BABIES.
11:46:33AM WE HAVE TO.
11:46:34AM WE SAY THE CHILDREN ARE OUR FUTURE.
11:46:37AM SHOW ME.
11:46:37AM IT MEANS PASSING A CURFEW WHENEVER YOU ALL DO REVISIT THAT,
11:46:41AM IF IT SAVE ONE LIFE, PASS IT.
11:46:45AM ALL OF THIS TALKING AND ALL THESE PROGRAMS FOR YOUTH AND ALL
11:46:49AM OF THIS, WE KNOW IT'S NOT WORKING.
11:46:51AM WHY ARE WE CONTINUING TO DO THOSE SAME THINGS OVER AND OVER
11:46:54AM AND WE ARE LOSING OUR BABIES.
11:46:56AM I HEAR A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE COME UP HERE.
11:46:58AM I LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:47:02AM I VOTE FOR YOU ALL ON MY CITY COUNCIL.
11:47:06AM I'M YOUR CONSTITUENT AND I EXPECT YOU ALL TO UPLIFT OUR
11:47:10AM CITY.
11:47:11AM BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY, SAVE OUR CHILDREN.
11:47:14AM SAVE US.
11:47:16AM BECAUSE IF WE DON'T PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE FOR
11:47:19AM ACCOUNTABILITY, WE CAN ALL BE GUNNED DOWN.
11:47:23AM THE OTHER THING THAT I HAVE TO SAY, I HEAR THEM TALKING
11:47:25AM ABOUT THE BUDGET WITH $280,000, WHEREVER THAT IS.
11:47:29AM IF YOU HAVE ORGANIZATIONS, TRUST ME I'M A MEMBER OF A LOT OF
11:47:32AM ORGANIZATIONS, LIFE MEMBER, IF YOU GOT ORGANIZATIONS THAT
11:47:36AM CANNOT PRESENT YOU WITH A FORENSIC AUDIT, DO NOT GIVE THEM
11:47:42AM OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS BECAUSE WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE
11:47:45AM DOING.
11:47:45AM ONE THING WE DO KNOW, THEY ARE STANDING FOR NOTHING WHEN IT
11:47:48AM COMES TO SAVING OUR CHILDREN.
11:47:51AM THE FIRST TIME I SEE PEOPLE COME OUT IN DROVES, WE SHOULD
11:47:55AM HAVE BEEN DOING THIS.
11:47:56AM WHY DOES IT TAKE ALL OF THESE YOUNG 14-YEAR-OLDS,
11:47:59AM 12-YEAR-OLDS, 17-YEAR-OLDS KILLING EACH OTHER FOR WHAT?
11:48:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
11:48:05AM >> THANK YOU.
11:48:05AM AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
11:48:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
11:48:07AM YES, SIR.
11:48:07AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:48:08AM YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
11:48:09AM >> COREY FELTON.
11:48:12AM I'M ONE OF THE GUEST HOSTS ON WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING EVERY
11:48:16AM SATURDAY MORNING, ALONGSIDE BISHOP MICHELLE B. PATTY.
11:48:24AM I WROTE SOME NOTES I WAS GOING TO FOLLOW.
11:48:27AM HAD A STRONG STANCE FOR THE CURFEW.
11:48:30AM BUT AFTER LISTENING TO EVERYBODY, MY STANCE KIND OF SOFTENED
11:48:35AM A LITTLE BIT AND LET ME EXPLAIN WHY.
11:48:36AM WE ALL CAN AGREE THAT NO 15-YEAR-OLD SHOULD BE OUT PAST
11:48:41AM 11:00.
11:48:42AM THERE'S NO EXCUSE FOR THAT.
11:48:43AM BUT AS THE YOUNG LADY SAID, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF
11:48:47AM HORRORS AND TRAUMA THIS KID IS RUNNING AWAY FROM AT THE
11:48:50AM HOUSE.
11:48:52AM AND WE ALL KNOW ABUSE GOES ON AT HOME, AWAY FROM HOME, SO
11:48:59AM CURFEW ALL-END FOR EVERYTHING?
11:49:01AM I REALLY DOUBT IT.
11:49:03AM I REALLY CAN'T SEE IT.
11:49:04AM YOU GUYS REALLY HAVE YOUR JOB CUT OUT FOR YOU.
11:49:07AM ONE THING THAT'S CONSISTENT, WHAT EVERYBODY IS TALKING
11:49:10AM ABOUT, FAIRNESS, EQUALITY, BECAUSE GENOCIDE WAR AGAINST
11:49:18AM PEOPLE, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY RACE IS, IS WRONG.
11:49:22AM IT IS DEAD WRONG.
11:49:23AM LET'S GET BACK TO WHY I'M HERE.
11:49:28AM THE GENOCIDE THAT OUR YOUTH, THEY SAY THE CHILDREN ARE THE
11:49:31AM FUTURE, RIGHT?
11:49:31AM BUT WHAT IS OUR FUTURE LOOKING LIKE?
11:49:33AM IF WE GO THROUGH WHAT WE'RE SEEING LIVE AND IN COLOR WHAT
11:49:37AM THIS MAN SAID, SEEING THESE GUYS KILLING EACH OTHER ON
11:49:41AM Facebook AND NOW YOU CAN SEE IT IN COLOR JUST LIKE I JUST
11:49:44AM SAW THIS GUY, MOW THIS YOUNG KID DOWN IN YBOR CITY.
11:49:49AM I MEAN, WE'RE SEEING THAT NOW, SO IF THE CHILDREN ARE OUR
11:49:54AM FUTURE, WHAT DO OUR FUTURE LOOK LIKE?
11:49:56AM I'M NOT AN ADVOCATE -- I LOVE THE POLICE ATHLETIC LEAGUE.
11:50:01AM MAN SAID HE WAS AGAINST THE BOSTON PROGRAM.
11:50:04AM HEY, I'M A PRODUCT OF THE BOSTON PROGRAM.
11:50:08AM I WITNESSED HOW IT HELPED SAVE PEOPLE LIVES.
11:50:12AM PEOPLE AGAINST THE PROGRAM DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND.
11:50:16AM HERE IS MY SOLUTION, SUGGESTION FOR A SOLUTION.
11:50:19AM DEFUNDING THE POLICE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN OPTION.
11:50:22AM PUT THAT MONEY INTO SOCIAL SERVICES WHERE WE CAN HIRE THE
11:50:26AM RIGHT PEOPLE, WHETHER THEY ARE COACHES, THAT'S GOING TO NOT
11:50:30AM ONLY TEACH THE KIDS, TO BOX, THE ART OF FIGHTING, WHAT ABOUT
11:50:35AM THE ART OF DISCIPLINE?
11:50:36AM WHAT ABOUT THE ART OF CARING FOR SOMEBODY?
11:50:38AM WHAT ABOUT THE ART OF SELF-DEFENSE?
11:50:43AM ALL THESE KIDS ARE LEARNING FROM EACH OTHER AND GUESS WHO
11:50:45AM THEY ARE LEARNING FROM, PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW ANYTHING.
11:50:48AM SO WE NEED SOCIAL SERVICES AND IT COULD BE A MENTAL HEALTH
11:50:52AM ISSUE.
11:50:53AM IT'S A PERFECT STORM OF A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF.
11:50:56AM GET THE SOCIAL SERVICES, GET THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MENTAL
11:51:00AM HEALTH COUNSELING, DRUG COUNSELING, WHATEVER OTHER
11:51:03AM COUNSELING PEOPLE NEED, BUT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE AND
11:51:06AM NOT JUST BE SITTING ON THE SIDELINE DOING NOTHING.
11:51:12AM WE HAVE TO BE FAIR ABOUT OUR SOLUTION.
11:51:14AM THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
11:51:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
11:51:16AM YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:51:24AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:51:24AM MY NAME IS LUCINDA JOHNSON.
11:51:28AM I'M HERE TO DISCUSS URGENT SAFETY CONCERN AT BUCHANAN MIDDLE
11:51:32AM SCHOOL.
11:51:33AM I'M REQUESTING FOR IMMEDIATE ACTION.
11:51:35AM ON MONDAY, JANUARY 22, I WAS INFORMED BY THE ESE COORDINATOR
11:51:44AM THAT MY GRANDSON WAS LEFT UNATTENDED IN CLASS AND MISSED
11:51:48AM LUNCH.
11:51:49AM THE COORDINATOR ASSISTED HIM DURING LUNCH AND SHORTLY AFTER
11:51:53AM I RECEIVED A CALL FROM THE PRINCIPAL.
11:51:55AM HE ACKNOWLEDGED MY GRANDSON'S MEDICAL CONDITION OF HAVING
11:51:59AM SEIZURES AND ASSURED AN INVESTIGATION WOULD TAKE PLACE.
11:52:03AM HOWEVER DESPITE THE GRAVITY OF THE SITUATION, I HAVE NOT
11:52:09AM RECEIVED ANY COMMUNICATION FROM THE PRINCIPAL AS OF TODAY.
11:52:12AM I AM DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE LACK OF ATTENTION TO MY
11:52:18AM GRANDSON'S SAFETY AND THE DELAY IN ADDRESSING THIS MATTER.
11:52:22AM IN ADDITION TO THE INCIDENT OF HIM BEING LEFT UNATTENDED, MY
11:52:29AM GRANDSON'S PHYSICIAN HAS PROVIDED A DETAILED DOCTOR'S NOTE
11:52:34AM OUTLINING HIS DIAGNOSIS, SPECIFIC TRIGGERS, AND THE
11:52:37AM FREQUENCY WITH WHICH HE CAN EXPERIENCE SEIZURES.
11:52:42AM IT IS DEEPLY TROUBLING THAT DESPITE THIS EXPLICIT MEDICAL
11:52:46AM DOCUMENTATION THE ADMINISTRATION AND ACADEMIC STAFF SEEM TO
11:52:51AM HAVE OVERLOOKED OR IGNORED HIS SERIOUS MEDICAL CONDITION.
11:52:55AM I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT THE SAFETY AND WELL-BEING OF EVERY
11:53:00AM STUDENT SHOULD BE A TOP PRIORITY.
11:53:02AM MY FAMILY AND I ARE EXPECTING IMMEDIATE ACTION, INCLUDING
11:53:07AM PREVENTIVE MEASURES TO ENSURE SUCH AN INCIDENT WILL NEVER
11:53:11AM OCCUR AGAIN.
11:53:12AM IGNORING A STUDENT'S MEDICAL CONDITION, ESPECIALLY ONE WITH
11:53:15AM A DOCUMENTED HISTORY LIKE MY GRANDSON IS UNACCEPTABLE.
11:53:20AM I URGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO INTERVENE AND WORK TOWARDS
11:53:24AM IMPLEMENTING MEASURES THAT GUARANTEE THE SAFETY OF ALL
11:53:26AM STUDENTS CONSIDERING THEIR INDIVIDUAL MEDICAL NEEDS.
11:53:30AM I ALSO SEEK REASSURANCE THAT STEPS WILL BE TAKEN TO PREVENT
11:53:35AM ANY REOCCURRENCE OF SUCH INCIDENTS IN THE FUTURE.
11:53:38AM AS A CONCERNED GRANDPARENT, I CANNOT STRESS ENOUGH THE
11:53:43AM EMOTIONAL DISTRESS CAUSED BY THIS SITUATION.
11:53:46AM I IMPLORE YOU TO CONSIDER HOW YOU WOULD FEEL IF THIS
11:53:49AM HAPPENED TO SOMEONE YOU LOVED AND TO TAKE DECISIVE ACTION TO
11:53:53AM SAFEGUARD THE WELL-BEING OF OUR STUDENTS.
11:53:55AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR URGENT ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER.
11:54:00AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: DARLENE, PLEASE GET THIS PARENT'S
11:54:05AM INFORMATION SO WE CAN GET HER TO THE RIGHT STAFF MEMBER OVER
11:54:08AM AT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
11:54:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:54:13AM YES, MA'AM.
11:54:14AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:54:18AM >> HELLO.
11:54:18AM MY NAME IS SANDRA ZIKRY.
11:54:21AM I AM HERE TO UNCOVER THE MASS CORRUPTION AND RACISM WITHIN
11:54:25AM THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:54:27AM I AM NOT PREPARED TO BRIEF MY CASE TODAY BECAUSE I AM IN THE
11:54:31AM MIDDLE OF LITIGATION AND ATTEMPTING TO INVOKE THE SUPREME
11:54:37AM COURT'S JURISDICTION ALTHOUGH IT IS RARE.
11:54:40AM JUST NOW OUT THAT DOOR, THE TAMPA POLICE HARASSED AND
11:54:44AM THREATENED ME UNDER NO LEGAL BASIS.
11:54:48AM LUIS VIERA JUST SAW IT.
11:54:50AM JUST LAST WEEK I WAS STOPPED WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE AND
11:54:53AM THREATENED THAT IF I DON'T IDENTIFY MYSELF I'LL GO TO JAIL,
11:54:57AM SCREAMING AT ME IN FRONT OF MY CHILD.
11:54:59AM JUST LAST MEETING I RECEIVED THREATS FROM UNDERCOVER COP
11:55:02AM THAT'S BEEN, QUOTE, UNQUOTE, LOOKING FOR ME, FOLLOWING ME
11:55:06AM AND THREATENING ME TO TAKE ME TO JAIL.
11:55:10AM AND I TELL YOU THE SAME THAT I TOLD THEM.
11:55:12AM BACK UP.
11:55:13AM DO NOT TOUCH ME AND GET OUT OF MY FACE BECAUSE I HAVE CIVIL
11:55:16AM RIGHTS AND I'M NOT GOING TO LET SOME RACIST PIG THREATEN ME
11:55:20AM WITH NO LEGAL AUTHORITY.
11:55:22AM THESE NAZIS HAVE BEEN HARASSING ME BECAUSE OF A PENDING
11:55:26AM FEDERAL COMPLAINT AND THERE'S BEEN HORRIBLE THINGS DONE THAT
11:55:29AM THE PUBLIC DOES NOT KNOW YET.
11:55:31AM IF THE GOVERNMENT IS TELLING YOU THAT THEY CARE ABOUT YOUR
11:55:34AM KIDS, THEY ARE LIKING.
11:55:35AM I WENT TO THE JUVENILE CURFEW MEETING.
11:55:38AM THE COPS ALREADY ADMIT THAT THEY SEE MINORITY CHILDREN AS
11:55:42AM CRIMINALS.
11:55:42AM I HOMESCHOOL MY CHILD BECAUSE THE CITY ISN'T DOING ENOUGH TO
11:55:46AM STOP SCHOOL SHOOTINGS, TRAFFICKING, OR BULLYING.
11:55:50AM IT'S A POOR EDUCATION SYSTEM.
11:55:52AM THERE'S MORE LIGHT WITHIN A CHILD WHEN THEY ARE IN TUNE WITH
11:55:55AM NATURE AND THE OCEAN.
11:55:57AM HOW CAN A CITY CLAIM THAT THEY CARE FOR OUR CHILDREN WHEN
11:56:01AM THEIR OWN POLICING SYSTEM COVERS UP A HATE CRIME IN 2024 AND
11:56:06AM COMMITS VICTIM EXTORTION.
11:56:09AM I WILL BE READING PARTS OF THE SWORN AFFIDAVIT I HAVE FROM A
11:56:13AM PHYSICIAN WHO IS AN EXPERT WITNESS AND I WILL ADDRESS THIS
11:56:16AM AGAIN IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
11:56:18AM MS. ZIKRY WAS GIVEN A DOSAGE OF 20-MILLIMETER.
11:56:24AM THIS IS A SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER DOSE THAT WOULD ORDINARILY BE
11:56:28AM GIVEN TO A PATIENT LIKE MS. ZIKRY UNDER ORDINARY
11:56:32AM CIRCUMSTANCES BY A TRAINED PROVIDER.
11:56:35AM FURTHER, THAT DOSE DEVIATES FROM MANUFACTURER
11:56:42AM RECOMMENDATION, DURING AN EPIDURAL ADMINISTRATION, IT SHOULD
11:56:46AM BE ADMINISTERED THREE TO FIVE MILLIMETERS WITH SUFFICIENT
11:56:49AM TIME DUE TO TOXICITY.
11:56:57AM SO I HAVE THESE AFFIDAVITS ALLEGING -- I'M SORRY.
11:57:01AM I DON'T HAVE TIME TO FINISH.
11:57:05AM THE TAMPA POLICE DESTROYED ALL AFFIDAVITS THAT I HAD AND
11:57:11AM CONCEALED FACTS FROM PROSECUTORS.
11:57:18AM I'M SORRY.
11:57:19AM I JUST DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO FINISH MY TIME.
11:57:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:57:23AM YES, MA'AM.
11:57:23AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:57:26AM >> MY NAME IS TERESA.
11:57:28AM I'M ALSO HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE CLUSTERING OF SEX OFFENDERS
11:57:32AM IN VM YBOR.
11:57:33AM YOU GUYS KNOW MY FACE PROBABLY.
11:57:35AM YOU KNOW ME AS THE ANGRY LADY FROM YBOR.
11:57:37AM I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED TODAY ABOUT THE REPORT FROM THE CITY.
11:57:46AM I THOUGHT WE HAD SOME EMPATHY FROM YOU.
11:57:49AM I KNOW SOME OF YOU WERE CONCERNED IF THIS WERE YOUR CHILDREN
11:57:53AM LIVING IN THE AREA AND YOU THOUGHT IT WAS UNREASONABLE.
11:57:57AM THE CLUSTERING HAPPENING AND SOME OF YOU EVEN TALK ABOUT IT
11:58:01AM ON THE NEWS.
11:58:03AM I'M JUST TERRIBLY DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE I CAN SEE HOW I
11:58:09AM THOUGHT WE HAD A VOICE AND I GUESS WE REALLY DON'T.
11:58:15AM I CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN STAND THERE AND LOOK ME IN
11:58:18AM THE EYE AND SAY, YEAH, I GUESS THAT'S OKAY.
11:58:20AM THOSE PEOPLE, THEY CAN STAY THERE.
11:58:23AM GRANDFATHERING.
11:58:25AM WASN'T EXPECTING A MAGIC SOLUTION OR PERFECT SOLUTION BUT AT
11:58:29AM LEAST SOMETHING.
11:58:29AM AT LEAST WORK WITH US ON SOMETHING LIKE WE TALK ABOUT
11:58:32AM ACCOUNTABILITY, TRANSPARENCY, WHAT OTHER MEASURES COULD WE
11:58:35AM TAKE, AND I THINK THIS WAS ALL A HUGE WASTE OF TIME.
11:58:39AM I KNOW YOU'LL GO HOME TODAY AND SAY, YEAH, I GUESS I WAS
11:58:43AM SAD.
11:58:44AM LUCKILY I'M NOT LIVING THERE, RIGHT.
11:58:46AM OR BETTER THAT WE BUY SOMEWHERE ELSE AND MOVE.
11:58:50AM I THINK I EXPECTED TOO MUCH.
11:58:53AM I THINK THAT I WOULD HOPE THAT TODAY WHEN YOU HEAR THAT
11:58:57AM REPORT YOU THINK OF US AND THAT WE ARE LIVING WITH THIS AND
11:59:01AM WE'RE GOING TO BE LIVING WITH THIS FOREVER.
11:59:03AM I KNOW THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME YOU'LL GO THROUGH NEBRASKA
11:59:07AM AND YOU'LL SEE THAT AND BE LIKE, OH, YEAH, THAT HAPPENED.
11:59:11AM WELL, GOOD THING I DON'T LIVE THERE.
11:59:13AM I JUST CANNOT BELIEVE YOU CAN LOOK ME IN THE EYE AND THINK
11:59:16AM THIS IS REASONABLE THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS AND
11:59:18AM THE PEOPLE HERE FROM OTHER PLACES IS REASONABLE.
11:59:21AM I THOUGHT THAT YOU GUYS UNDERSTOOD THIS, AND IT SEEMED LIKE
11:59:25AM NOTHING CAN BE DONE.
11:59:27AM REALLY, NOTHING CAN BE DONE.
11:59:29AM I JUST WANT TO CRY.
11:59:35AM REALLY SAD.
11:59:36AM THOUGHT NOBODY WAS ABOVE THE LAW IN THE UNITED STATES AND I
11:59:39AM FOUND OUT THAT IT'S NOT THE CASE.
11:59:42AM WE CAN SAY, THAT'S OKAY, THEY CAN VIOLATE ALL OF THE
11:59:45AM ORDINANCES.
11:59:45AM THAT'S OKAY, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.
11:59:48AM REALLY?
11:59:48AM THAT'S ALL I CAME HERE TO SAY.
11:59:50AM MY BOSS DOESN'T EVEN KNOW I'M HERE.
11:59:53AM JUST TOOK SOME TIME OFF OF WORK AND I WANTED TO SAY THAT
11:59:55AM BECAUSE I KNOW AT SOME POINT YOU'LL GO THROUGH NEBRASKA, BE
11:59:59AM AT A STOP SIGN, A RED LIGHT AND YOU WILL REMEMBER US.
12:00:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, NEXT SPEAKER.
12:00:06PM >> GRANT DAWSON.
12:00:07PM ORIGINALLY I CAME HERE ON BEHALF OF A FRIEND WHO WANTED ME
12:00:10PM TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING, NOT JURISDICTION OF YOURS.
12:00:13PM AFTER LISTENING TO SO MUCH OF THE CONVERSATION TODAY, I'M
12:00:16PM KIND OF SURPRISED THAT THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE HERE WHO
12:00:18PM EXPECT COMPASSION FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE DISCOMPASSIONATE.
12:00:22PM I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE I GET MY OPPORTUNE TIME AS WELL AND
12:00:27PM THINK THE BEST OF PEOPLE.
12:00:28PM WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITY POLICING, THEY ARE
12:00:32PM LIKE THE GESTAPO.
12:00:34PM THEY ARE ALL THE SAME WHEN YOU ARE BLACK AND BROWN.
12:00:36PM THEY CALL US NIGGERS AND THEY MEAN IT.
12:00:40PM WE'RE 60 YEARS REMOVED FROM WHEN MALCOLM X TALKED ABOUT THE
12:00:46PM BALLAD OF THE BULLET.
12:00:47PM INTERESTING HOW THIS COMES TO A POINT.
12:00:50PM THE NEXT ELECTION IMPORTANT AS HE CLAIMS THE ELECTION OF '64
12:00:53PM WAS GOING TO BE.
12:00:54PM I WANTED TO SAY FOR THE GUYS OUT THERE LISTENING BECAUSE I
12:00:59PM HAD SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO TALK ABOUT, THESE PEOPLE DON'T
12:01:03PM CARE ABOUT YOU.
12:01:04PM THEY NEVER WILL.
12:01:06PM AND AS COMFORTABLE AS THEY ARE CALLING US NIGGERS, SAME
12:01:11PM THING MALCOLM SAID TO MARTIN, CAN'T BELIEVE YOU WENT DOWN
12:01:15PM THERE AND HAD COFFEE WITH A CRACKER.
12:01:17PM IT SEEMS LIKE THE WORST.
12:01:19PM WHEN WE ALLOW THE SOUTH TO COME BACK IN DURING
12:01:23PM RECONSTRUCTION, SOME PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE BEEN LEFT OUT FOR A
12:01:27PM REASON.
12:01:28PM BUT TAMPA NOW SEEMS TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THE WORST PEOPLE
12:01:32PM COME AND THEY ALLOW THEM TO INFILTRATE STATE, COUNTY, AND
12:01:36PM FEDERAL GOVERNMENT JUST SO THEY CAN CONTINUE TO KEEP THEIR
12:01:39PM FOOT ON THE THROATS OF BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE.
12:01:42PM BUT FOR MY FRIEND, THIS IS MODERN DAY BUG BREAKING.
12:01:48PM HEARING OFFICER OVER THERE AND AN ATTORNEY, BY THE WAY, I
12:01:52PM HAVE AN ATTORNEY FRIEND WHO SAYS YOU ARE ALL SUPPOSED TO
12:01:55PM POLICE EACH OTHER.
12:01:56PM THIS THING GETS THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE WHERE IT
12:01:59PM CLAIMS THIS MAN HAD SEX WITH HIMSELF AND CREATED A CHILD.
12:02:02PM SO THAT FACIAL FLAW ALONE, NOT AN ATTORNEY.
12:02:06PM DON'T PRACTICE LAW.
12:02:08PM I WORK AT A FIRM NOW, BUT THE FACIAL FLAW ITSELF SHOULD HAVE
12:02:13PM HAD IT KICKED OUT.
12:02:14PM THIS HAS BEEN GOING SINCE 2012.
12:02:16PM THE OTHER DAY WHEN YOU WENT TO COURT TO TALK ABOUT, HEARING
12:02:19PM OFFICER CHARLES DENTON LAUGHED AT HIM.
12:02:22PM INSTEAD OF REVERSING IT AND PICKING BACK UP AND STARTING
12:02:26PM AGAIN, HE SAID I'M GOING TO DENY YOUR MOTION WITHOUT
12:02:29PM PREJUDICE.
12:02:31PM THAT'S A FACIAL FLAW.
12:02:33PM HE'S AN ATTORNEY.
12:02:34PM TO DO THAT KIND OF THING SHOULD ACTUALLY HAVE SOME SORT OF
12:02:38PM SANCTION.
12:02:38PM I WANT TO SAY THIS ALSO.
12:02:40PM I STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY PARTS OF THE 7,000 E-MAILS AND
12:02:44PM I'M GETTING READY TO FILE MY MOTIONS IN OPPOSITION TO YOUR
12:02:48PM MOTION TO DISMISS.
12:02:49PM I CAN GUARANTEE IF I WAS A WHITE MAN AND SOMEBODY STOLE FOUR
12:02:52PM OF MY HOUSES AND A BLACK JUDGE LIED TO -- TAMPA POLICE
12:02:56PM OFFICERS TO GET IT DONE, SOMETHING WOULD BE DONE ABOUT IT.
12:02:59PM YOU ALL HAVE A GOOD DAY.
12:03:00PM SHOUT OUT TO UNIVERSITY OF THOMAS JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL.
12:03:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:03:04PM NEXT SPEAKER.
12:03:05PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:03:06PM >> PETER STRAVINO, REPRESENTATIVE OF NEW SUBURB BEAUTIFUL.
12:03:09PM ASKING FOR AN EXTENSION FOR THE HEARING ON 45 AND 46.
12:03:13PM WE WANT TO MAKE SURE PROPER COMMUNITY OUTREACH ABOUT THE
12:03:21PM PROJECT.
12:03:21PM WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ENGAGED AS YOU HEARD FROM
12:03:24PM HYDE PARK AND NEW SUBURB, WE'RE EAGER TO PARTICIPATE AND
12:03:27PM HELP.
12:03:28PM WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE INVESTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY,
12:03:30PM BUT EXTREME SITUATIONS ARE CONTINUING TO DETERIORATE IN NEW
12:03:33PM SUBURB.
12:03:33PM OUR STREETS ARE SOME OF THE WORST IN THE CITY AND WE'RE
12:03:36PM CONTINUING TO PUSH PEOPLE DOWN THE STREETS, ESPECIALLY WITH
12:03:38PM THE COMMERCIAL REINVESTMENT THAT THESE PROJECTS ARE GEARED
12:03:41PM TOWARDS, RIGHT.
12:03:42PM FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT BUT NEED HELP IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
12:03:44PM WE ARE ASKING FOR AN EXTENSION.
12:03:47PM ADDITIONALLY, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU GUYS DRIVE AROUND
12:03:49PM WITH US TO SEE HOW BAD.
12:03:52PM THERE WAS A CAR THAT HIT A POTHOLE AND HIT A TREE.
12:03:55PM IF THERE WAS A KID OUTSIDE, THEY WOULD HAVE DIED.
12:03:58PM I LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TEN YEARS, BEEN ON THE BOARD
12:04:01PM PROBABLY 8.
12:04:01PM REACHED OUT TO THE CITY MULTIPLE YEARS FOR HELP ABOUT THE
12:04:04PM STREETS.
12:04:05PM WE HEAR IT IS A LARGE CAPITAL INVESTMENT.
12:04:09PM FULLY UNDERSTAND.
12:04:11PM WE NEED HELP WHETHER A MULTIYEAR PROJECT AND TO INCREASE
12:04:14PM MOBILITY BECAUSE THE STREETS ARE BEYOND REPAIR AT THIS
12:04:16PM POINT.
12:04:16PM THE CURBS ARE ALL PULLED UP.
12:04:18PM DISASTER.
12:04:19PM CANNOT DRIVE STRAIGHT DOWN THE STREET WITHOUT HITTING A
12:04:22PM POTHOLE.
12:04:23PM WE'RE ASKING FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TO TALK THROUGH IT.
12:04:25PM WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S INVESTMENT AND EXCITED FOR IT BUT WE
12:04:29PM NEED HELP.
12:04:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
12:04:30PM YES, SIR.
12:04:31PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:04:44PM >> JUST ONE SECOND.
12:04:46PM I WANT TO HAND THESE OUT.
12:04:47PM TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES HERE.
12:04:50PM GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
12:04:58PM STEVE MICHELINI, HERE ON BEHALF OF THE SOHO BUSINESS
12:05:02PM ALLIANCE.
12:05:02PM I SENT AN E-MAIL TO YOU ALL OUTLINING ISSUES.
12:05:08PM THE NEIGHBORHOOD REPRESENTATIVE.
12:05:10PM AS YOU KNOW, SOHO BACKS UP TO ALL THE RESIDENTIAL
12:05:14PM PROPERTIES, AND THIS PROJECT HAS SOME CHALLENGES WHICH WE
12:05:18PM NEED TO HAVE ADDRESSED.
12:05:20PM I DON'T WANT -- SINCE I'VE GOT TWO ISSUES, LET ME READ
12:05:23PM THROUGH A COUPLE OF THE THINGS.
12:05:26PM FULL LANE AND ROAD CLOSURES WILL NOT WORK AT ANY TIME.
12:05:30PM YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN SOME ACCESS ALONG HOWARD.
12:05:33PM 100% OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS OPPOSE THAT, CLOSING HOWARD
12:05:38PM COMPLETELY.
12:05:38PM TIMING OF THE PROJECT TO AVOID PEAK PERIODS PLANNED FOR MORE
12:05:42PM SUMMER MONTHS AS OPPOSED TO THE PEAK PERIODS OF WHEN IT IS
12:05:45PM BEING UTILIZED.
12:05:46PM ACCESS MUST BE MAINTAINED FOR PURVEYORS, SOLID WASTE, TPD,
12:05:50PM TFD, CUSTOMERS, EMPLOYEES, AND NEIGHBORHOODS AND ON A DAILY
12:05:54PM BASIS.
12:05:55PM UTILITY INTERRUPTIONS MUST BE HELD TO A MINIMUM WATER,
12:05:58PM SEWER, CABLE, ELECTRIC, GAS, AND ADVANCED NOTICE SHOULD BE
12:06:03PM PROVIDED, IMMEDIATE ATTENTION GIVEN TO UTILITY
12:06:06PM INTERRUPTIONS.
12:06:07PM ALTERNATE -- ALTERNATIVE ACCESS PLANS MUST BE DEVELOPED TO
12:06:11PM ENSURE THAT WE'RE NOT DUMPING ALL OF THE COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC
12:06:13PM INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND VICE VERSA.
12:06:15PM TRYING TO GET A SOLID WASTE TRUCK TO SERVICE RESTAURANTS
12:06:20PM WOULD BE A DISASTER HAVING THEM RUN ALL THROUGH THE
12:06:24PM NEIGHBORHOODS, INCLUDING THE DELIVERY OF PURVEYORS.
12:06:26PM CONSIDER TEMPORARY SURFACE COVERINGS AT NIGHT TO ENABLE FULL
12:06:31PM STREET ACCESS.
12:06:31PM CONSIDERING CONSTRUCTION OF ONE LANE AT A TIME WITH FLAGMEN
12:06:34PM SO THAT YOU DON'T CLOSE THE ENTIRE STREET.
12:06:37PM ENSURE ADEQUATE STREET AND WIDTH ACCESS FOR DELIVERY TRUCKS,
12:06:41PM EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND SOLID WASTE.
12:06:43PM ENGAGE TECO TO INCLUDE ELECTRICAL SERVICES AND BE PREPARED
12:06:47PM TO TRY TO COORDINATE UNDERGROUNDING UTILITIES.
12:06:50PM CONSIDER BUSINESS INTERRUPTION INSURANCE.
12:06:52PM INCORPORATE NONINCLUSIVE ON-STREET PARKING IN THE PLAN.
12:06:57PM INCORPORATE ON STREET AND SOLID WASTE CONTAINERS AT EACH OF
12:07:01PM THE CORNERS.
12:07:03PM CONSIDER DAY AND NIGHT, WEEKEND CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULES TO
12:07:06PM HELP ACCELERATE THE PROJECT.
12:07:07PM I GAVE YOU THE LETTER.
12:07:10PM THE NEXT THING IS THE YBOR CITY PARKING ISSUE.
12:07:14PM SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, THE COUNCIL MADE A MOTION TO LOOK AT CRA
12:07:20PM FUNDING FOR ADDITIONAL SECURITY AND POLICE, AND THAT IS
12:07:24PM WINDING ITS WAY THROUGH THE PROCESS.
12:07:27PM CAN I HAVE A COUPLE OF SECONDS HERE?
12:07:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU STILL HAVE TIME.
12:07:32PM >> ANYWAY, FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, THE PROPOSAL FOR THE PARKING
12:07:35PM SHOULD NOT GO FORWARD RIGHT NOW.
12:07:38PM IT SHOULD BE COORDINATED WITH THE DELIVERY OF THAT SAFETY
12:07:41PM REPORT THAT TPD IS PREPARING AND THE AVAILABILITY OF FUNDING
12:07:46PM FOR ADDITIONAL SECURITY.
12:07:47PM YOU'VE HEARD ALL MORNING ABOUT SECURITY BEING A CITYWIDE
12:07:51PM ISSUE AND NOT EXCLUSIVELY TO YBOR CITY OR TO PARKING LOTS,
12:07:57PM AND WE ALSO MADE A MOTION THAT THE PARKING LOTS SHOULD --
12:08:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
12:08:03PM >> -- CONSIDER ALL LOTS, NOT PAVED AND UNPAVED LOTS.
12:08:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ASK A QUESTION HERE, NOT IN DISAGREEMENT
12:08:10PM WITH SOME OF THE THAT YOU MADE, MR. MICHELINI.
12:08:14PM NUMBER 6, CONSIDER TEMPORARY SURFACE COVERING WORKING AT
12:08:18PM NIGHT, THE PROBLEM IS, SOHO GOES ON UNTIL 2:00, 3:00 IN THE
12:08:23PM MORNING.
12:08:24PM >> TWO DIFFERENT SECTIONS.
12:08:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:08:33PM >> THE SECTION WHERE THIS ROAD IMPROVEMENT IS SOUTH OF
12:08:36PM SWANN.
12:08:38PM THE ENTERTAINMENT SIDE, THE DISTRICTS ARE NORTH OF SWANN.
12:08:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:08:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:08:47PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
12:08:48PM I AM NOT GOING TO USE MY FULL THREE MINUTES EVEN THOUGH I
12:08:54PM WAITED THREE HOURS.
12:08:55PM I WANT TO EMPHASIZE ITEM NUMBER 59.
12:09:00PM I'M SURE YOU ALL HAVE REVIEWED IT.
12:09:02PM CITY STAFF COMING BACK TO YOU WITH A PRESENTATION ABOUT WHAT
12:09:05PM THEY HEARD FROM YOU LAST TIME, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS
12:09:08PM PRESENTED TO YOU AND WHAT THEIR RESPONSE TO THAT ARE.
12:09:13PM I'M NOT GETTING WHAT I WANT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
12:09:16PM I WOULD GO MUCH FURTHER THAN WHAT STAFF IS DOING.
12:09:18PM HOWEVER, I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WE MAKE SOME
12:09:22PM PROGRESS.
12:09:23PM WE'RE NOT GOING TO FIND A PERFECT BALANCE BETWEEN PAROCHIAL
12:09:27PM NEIGHBORHOOD INTERESTS AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
12:09:29PM WE'RE NOT.
12:09:30PM WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.
12:09:32PM I WOULD JUST ADVOCATE TODAY FOR YOU TO LISTEN, TO UNDERSTAND
12:09:34PM WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, TO BE HUMBLE AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU
12:09:37PM ARE NOT POLICY EXPERTS ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
12:09:40PM AND IF YOU ARE DELEGATING THAT TO PEOPLE WHO ARE, YOU SHOULD
12:09:43PM LISTEN TO THEM.
12:09:44PM THEY COULD GO FURTHER.
12:09:45PM IF YOU WANT THEM TO GO FURTHER, ASK THEM TO BECAUSE THEY
12:09:49PM CAN.
12:09:49PM THEY HAVEN'T GONE FURTHER BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU HAVE GIVEN
12:09:52PM THEM AS FEEDBACK.
12:09:53PM I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
12:09:55PM I DO THINK IT IS WORTH MENTIONING, TALK ABOUT POLICY FOR TWO
12:09:59PM HOURS.
12:09:59PM RESOLUTION 568 IS INTERESTING TO ME.
12:10:02PM I THINK IF THAT HAD BEEN FOLLOWED THROUGH ON, THERE WOULD BE
12:10:05PM SOME DIFFERENT VOICES IN THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DISCUSSION
12:10:10PM BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEPARATE THE HISTORY OF OUR SEGREGATED
12:10:13PM COMMUNITY AND LAND USE POLICY, AND THIS IS A BIG YEAR TO
12:10:17PM MAKE A DIFFERENCE ON THAT.
12:10:18PM SO IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT DOES MATTER TO YOU, IF THE
12:10:21PM NAACP HAS MADE AN IMPRESSION ON YOU TODAY, CONSIDER HOW THAT
12:10:24PM DISCUSSION WOULD HAVE IMPACTED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
12:10:26PM DISCUSSION THAT WOULD BE ONGOING FOR THE NEXT EIGHT MONTHS.
12:10:29PM THANK YOU.
12:10:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:10:30PM YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:10:34PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
12:10:36PM ROBIN LOCKETT.
12:10:39PM I WAS PREPARED TO SPEAK ABOUT THE CURFEW AND I STILL AM, BUT
12:10:44PM I HAVE SEVERAL OTHER THINGS I WANT TO SAY.
12:10:46PM LET ME GET WITH IT.
12:10:48PM THANK YOU FOR HOLDING OFF ON THE CURFEW, BUT, AGAIN, AS I'VE
12:10:52PM BEEN SAYING FROM THE START, IT HAS TO GO SO MUCH FURTHER.
12:10:55PM THERE HAS TO BE A COLLECTIVE TABLE CREATED THAT YOU CALL
12:11:01PM COMMISSION, COMMUNITY AND PARENTS HAVE TO BE INVOLVED IN IT.
12:11:04PM IF WE'RE REALLY GOING TO -- WITH THE TIMELINE, RIGHT?
12:11:07PM YOU CAN'T RESOLVE EVERYTHING AT ONE TIME.
12:11:10PM SO CREATING A MAP, ANOTHER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT THERE HAS
12:11:15PM TO BE A MAP CREATED TO RESOLVE THIS.
12:11:19PM PROGRAMS ARE IDENTIFIED.
12:11:20PM WE HAVE THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.
12:11:22PM SOMEONE WAS TELLING ME THE OTHER DAY THAT THE BOYS AND GIRLS
12:11:26PM CLUB OVER IN THE FISHBOWL.
12:11:29PM IT HAS THE BASKETBALL COURTS AND SO FORTH, BUT IT'S LOCKED
12:11:33PM UP.
12:11:33PM WHEN THEY CLOSE THOSE DOORS DAILY, THE PLAYGROUND IS NOT
12:11:40PM ACCESSIBLE TO THE KIDS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
12:11:43PM THE BASKETBALL COURT IS NOT ACCESSIBLE TO THOSE KIDS IN
12:11:45PM THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
12:11:46PM SO MAYBE INSTEAD OF JUST IDENTIFYING THAT WE HAVE ALL THESE
12:11:50PM PROGRAMS AVAILABLE, REALLY LOOK AT THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE IN
12:11:54PM PLACE AND SEE HOW THEY ARE WORKING.
12:11:56PM TAKE THAT INITIATIVE.
12:11:57PM SEE HOW THEY ARE WORKING.
12:11:58PM SEE IF THEY ARE REALLY WORKING, BECAUSE DURING THAT MEETING,
12:12:02PM THE CHIEF OUTLINED A WHOLE LOT OF STUFF THAT WAS IN
12:12:07PM EXISTENCE RIGHT NOW, BUT WITH THAT, WE'RE STILL HAVING THIS
12:12:11PM PROBLEM, BUT IT'S MORE THAN PROGRAMS.
12:12:14PM AND I AGREED WITH SOMEONE EARLIER.
12:12:16PM I DON'T WANT TO JUST SEE BASKETBALL, FOOTBALL, AND SO FORTH.
12:12:19PM LET'S ALLOW OUR KIDS TO EXPERIENCE WHAT OTHER KIDS
12:12:23PM EXPERIENCE THROUGHOUT TAMPA.
12:12:26PM EAST TAMPA, THE BLACK COMMUNITY SHOULD NOT GET ANY LESS OR
12:12:32PM BE THOUGHT OF ANY DIFFERENTLY.
12:12:34PM THERE WAS A LOT OF EMOTIONAL TESTIMONY OR EXPERIENCES
12:12:40PM IDENTIFIED THIS MORNING.
12:12:42PM YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS LISTENING TO THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE COME
12:12:45PM UP, I SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, GOVERNMENT CREATES THE SEPARATION
12:12:48PM WITH PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY GIVE THIS ILLUSION, NOT EVEN
12:12:52PM ILLUSION, THEY GIVE SUPPORT TO -- THEY JUMP AT DIFFERENT
12:12:56PM THINGS WITH OTHER CULTURES.
12:12:58PM IT WAS BLACK AND HISPANICS.
12:13:00PM THERE'S FRICTION THERE.
12:13:01PM AND EVEN WITH THE PALESTINIANS COMING HERE, YOU GUYS OPENLY
12:13:06PM SUPPORT ONE CULTURE AND WON'T SUPPORT EVERYBODY.
12:13:12PM AND THAT'S WRONG.
12:13:13PM YOU CREATE THESE BARRIERS WITH PEOPLE THAT IS NONSENSE.
12:13:18PM UNITY, BLACKS ARE COMING AND THEY ARE SUPPORTING
12:13:21PM PALESTINIANS.
12:13:22PM CEASE FIRE.
12:13:23PM THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR, A CEASE FIRE.
12:13:26PM BUT YOU BRING THE JEWISH COMMUNITY UP AND YOU GIVE THEM AN
12:13:31PM AWARD.
12:13:31PM I WAS THERE WHEN YOU GAVE THE AWARD.
12:13:33PM JUST ALL IN FAIRNESS AND IN EQUALITY, EQUITY, IT SHOULD BE
12:13:38PM DONE THE SAME.
12:13:40PM THANK YOU.
12:13:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:13:40PM ALL RIGHT.
12:13:42PM MS. POYNOR, AND, MA'AM, YOU WILL BE THE FINAL SPEAKER.
12:13:45PM >> GOOD MORNING.
12:13:46PM STEPHANIE POYNOR.
12:13:47PM I'LL START AT THE BOTTOM.
12:13:49PM I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY THE CITY OR THE CRA NEEDS TO
12:13:52PM PAY FOR STAFFING AT YBOR PARKING LOTS.
12:13:54PM SO I JUST WANT TO GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY.
12:13:56PM NEIGHBORHOOD INPUT IS IMPORTANT.
12:14:01PM NUMBER 25, 45, 46.
12:14:04PM WE'VE GOT MULTIPLE YBOR ITEMS TODAY, NUMBER 49, NUMBER 55.
12:14:09PM ALL OF THOSE REALLY, REALLY ARE IMPORTANT TO THE NEIGHBORS
12:14:12PM OR THEY WOULDN'T BE HERE.
12:14:13PM I THINK THE KEY TERM THAT EVERYBODY -- NOBODY HAS BROUGHT UP
12:14:18PM IS A YOUNG ADULT SAFETY PLAN.
12:14:20PM WE DON'T CALL IT YOUTH BECAUSE THEY ARE YOUNG ADULTS.
12:14:23PM IF YOU BUY A BOOK FOR KIDS THAT AGE, THEY ARE YOUNG ADULTS.
12:14:27PM LET'S CALL THEM WHAT THEY ARE.
12:14:28PM WE NEED TO HAVE A SAFE PLACE SYSTEM IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
12:14:32PM NOT JUST THE COUNTY.
12:14:33PM WE NEED TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO STRUCTURE FOR THEM.
12:14:37PM THE AGENDA ITEMS WITHOUT SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION, THERE
12:14:40PM WERE FOUR, FIVE WHEN I READ THE AGENDA ON THURSDAY OR
12:14:44PM WHENEVER THE AGENDA -- SUNDAY.
12:14:46PM THE COMP PLAN, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH MY BUDDY NATHAN.
12:14:50PM I'M NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY WITH IT.
12:14:54PM SANDY IS NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY WITH IT.
12:14:56PM NOBODY IS GOING TO BE TOTALLY HAPPY WITH IT BUT WHOLE LOT OF
12:14:59PM GOOD STUFF.
12:15:00PM MY PROBLEM WITH THE TRANSPORTATION EMPHASIS CORRIDOR, WHICH
12:15:02PM ARE THE BLUE LINES YOU SAW ON THE MAPS IF YOU LOOKED AT
12:15:05PM THEM, IS THAT THOSE, WHEN THEY BUILD ON THOSE CORRIDORS,
12:15:09PM THEY NEED TO BE STACKED DOWN TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS, JUST LIKE
12:15:12PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK MENTIONED DURING THE FUNLAN HEARING,
12:15:16PM THAT IT SHOULD BE STACKED DOWN TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
12:15:18PM YOU CAN BUILD 12 STORIES HIGH ON DALE MABRY, BUT BY THE TIME
12:15:22PM YOU GET TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS, IT SHOULD BE LOWER.
12:15:25PM YOU SHOULDN'T BE SHADOWING ANYBODY'S HOUSE IN ORDER TO BUILD
12:15:29PM SOMETHING.
12:15:29PM DENSITY IN THE RIGHT PLACES.
12:15:31PM AGAIN, CARROLL ANN HAS BROUGHT THIS IN FRONT OF YOU TEN
12:15:35PM TIMES AT LEAST, THAT THERE'S ONLY BEEN ONE PERCENT GROWTH IN
12:15:38PM THE UNIVERSITY DISTRICT.
12:15:40PM WHY?
12:15:40PM WHY ARE WE NOT BUILDING ANYTHING THERE?
12:15:43PM WHY ARE WE NOT FOCUSING ON THE AREAS THAT NEED THE DENSITY
12:15:46PM THAT WANT THE DENSITY, THAT WOULD EMBRACE THE DENSITY.
12:15:49PM THAT NEEDS TO BE.
12:15:50PM YOU KNOW WHAT, IF THEY ARE GOING TO SHORT PARKING, THEY NEED
12:15:53PM TO BE PAYING INTO A TRANSPORTATION, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION
12:15:56PM IMPACT FEE.
12:15:57PM PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT FEE, PLEASE, TODAY, MAKE A MOTION TO
12:16:00PM TAKE THE NEXT STEP.
12:16:02PM LET'S NOT TALK ABOUT IT ANYMORE.
12:16:04PM MAKE THE MOTION.
12:16:06PM UNTIL COUNCIL SAYS GO TO THE NEXT STEP, IT'S NOT GOING TO
12:16:10PM HAPPEN.
12:16:12PM IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN UNLESS SOMEBODY MAKES A MOTION AND
12:16:15PM PUSHES IT FORWARD.
12:16:16PM IT WAS HERE IN FRONT OF THIS COUNCIL IN AUGUST OF '21.
12:16:21PM IT CAME BACK IN OCTOBER AND I LOVE CHIEF BENNETT, EVERYBODY
12:16:24PM KNOWS THAT, BUT HE SAID, NO, WE DON'T REALLY NEED IT.
12:16:28PM HERE WE ARE TWO YEARS LATER, WE HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED THE
12:16:31PM PROCESS.
12:16:32PM SO WE'VE GOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS STUFF.
12:16:34PM YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M DONE.
12:16:38PM YOU ALL HAVE A GOOD DAY.
12:16:40PM I'LL BE BACK.
12:16:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:16:42PM YOU WILL BE THE FINAL SPEAKER AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE WITH
12:16:44PM THE AGENDA.
12:16:45PM >> THANK YOU.
12:16:45PM MY NAME IS DENISE MORERO.
12:16:47PM I'M A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER WITH FAITH IN FLORIDA.
12:16:49PM I WANTED TO TAKE A MINUTE TO THANK THE MEMBERS OF CITY
12:16:52PM COUNCIL FOR PAUSING ON THE ORDINANCE WITH RESPECT TO THE
12:16:58PM YOUTH CURFEW.
12:16:59PM I AM A RELATIVELY NEW RESIDENT TO HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, BUT
12:17:02PM I'M ORIGINALLY FROM NEW JERSEY.
12:17:05PM I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH CITIES OBVIOUSLY LIKE TAMPA BECAUSE
12:17:09PM I'M FROM KANSAS CITY WHERE WE DEALT WITH THESE PARTICULARLY
12:17:13PM INTERESTING CHALLENGES WITH THE HEART OF THOSE CHALLENGES
12:17:17PM BEING HOW DO WE KEEP OUR CHILDREN SAFE.
12:17:21PM WHAT WE FOUND OUT IS THAT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THE HOLISTIC
12:17:26PM ASPECT OF THE COMMUNITY AND HOW WE CREATE A SPACE TO BRING
12:17:30PM THEM TOGETHER.
12:17:33PM FAITH LEADERS, COMMUNITY LEADERS, YOUTH, COMING UP WITH
12:17:36PM SOLUTIONS AND FRANKLY LEVERAGING THE FUNDING, $280,000 IS A
12:17:40PM GREAT START, BUT WE HAVE TO LEVERAGE THOSE FUNDS POSSIBLY
12:17:44PM WITH FEDERAL GRANTS COMING THROUGH THE U.S. DEPARTMENT --
12:17:48PM THE USDOJ, OFFICE OF JUVENILE JUSTICE.
12:17:52PM THERE ARE WAYS TO COME UP WITH INCREDIBLE SOLUTIONS, BUT
12:17:55PM EVERY FEDERAL GRANT THAT I'VE WORKED ON IN MY ENTIRE LIFE
12:17:58PM DOING THIS LEVEL OF WORK DOES NOT WORK UNLESS YOU BRING THE
12:18:02PM COMMUNITY TOGETHER.
12:18:03PM SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE TO OPEN AND CREATE
12:18:06PM SPACES FOR THE COMMUNITY.
12:18:09PM FAITH IN FLORIDA WE HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT THOSE WHO ARE
12:18:11PM DIRECTLY IMPACTED ARE THE ONES CLOSEST TO THE SOLUTION.
12:18:15PM WE CAN FIND A SOLUTION TOGETHER.
12:18:17PM A LONG-STANDING SOLUTION THAT WILL BE EQUITABLE.
12:18:20PM THAT WILL BE FAIR, WHERE WE CAN LEVERAGE CITY TAXPAYER
12:18:23PM DOLLARS AS WELL AS FEDERAL TAXPAYER DOLLARS BECAUSE IT IS
12:18:26PM OUR MONEY AFTER ALL.
12:18:28PM I HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF FAITH THAT I KNOW WE CAN COME
12:18:31PM TOGETHER AND HAVE THESE INTERESTING AND DIFFICULT AND
12:18:34PM CHALLENGING CONVERSATIONS TO COME UP WITH REALLY AMAZING
12:18:38PM SOLUTIONS.
12:18:38PM I HAVE TO HAVE THAT FAITH BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN OUR CHILDREN
12:18:41PM AND I BELIEVE IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
12:18:43PM SECONDLY, I THINK THAT THE ORDINANCE AROUND RACE
12:18:46PM RECONCILIATION IS A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY.
12:18:49PM A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY, IF SOMEONE WOULD JUST PICK IT UP
12:18:52PM AND MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
12:18:53PM WE ARE ONE.
12:18:54PM WE WANT TO BE ONE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
12:18:56PM WE WANT TO BRING FOLKS TOGETHER, BUT WE NEED TO START
12:18:59PM DEALING WITH THESE INTRACTABLE ISSUES AND CREATE THOSE
12:19:02PM SPACES.
12:19:02PM THANK YOU.
12:19:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:19:04PM THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
12:19:06PM FOLKS, I WOULD LIKE TO DO NUMBER 5, WHICH SHOULD BE QUICK,
12:19:13PM GO THROUGH THE CONSENT AGENDA.
12:19:15PM CONTINUANCE REQUEST FOR 41 AND THEN BREAK FOR LUNCH.
12:19:18PM ANYBODY HERE THAT WILL PRESENT ON ITEM 5.
12:19:20PM THIS IS PowerPoint FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION.
12:19:22PM IF THERE IS NOBODY HERE, WE CAN PUSH IT OFF UNTIL LATER.
12:19:25PM I KNOW IT'S GONE LONG THIS MORNING.
12:19:27PM IS THERE?
12:19:30PM >> CHAIRMAN, I'M ONLINE.
12:19:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
12:19:33PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
12:19:34PM THIS IS RON VILA WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
12:19:40PM IF WE COULD GO TO THE PowerPoint, PLEASE.
12:19:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
12:19:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT ONE.
12:19:59PM WHILE THEY ARE FIXING THAT, WE CAN APPROVE SOME.
12:20:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CHAIRMAN VIERA FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY
12:20:04PM COMMITTEE, WOULD YOU MIND MOVING 6 AND 7.
12:20:06PM >>LUIS VIERA: I MOVE 6 AND 7.
12:20:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
12:20:10PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
12:20:11PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:20:12PM AYE.
12:20:12PM ANY OPPOSED?
12:20:13PM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, 8-12.
12:20:16PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I MOVE PARKS AND RECREATION CULTURAL
12:20:19PM COMMITTEE ITEMS 8 THROUGH 12.
12:20:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
12:20:23PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
12:20:24PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:20:25PM AYE.
12:20:26PM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
12:20:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ITEMS 13 -- I MOVE ITEMS 13 THROUGH 19.
12:20:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION.
12:20:32PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:20:34PM ANY OPPONENTS?
12:20:34PM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, 20 AND 21.
12:20:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I MOVE 20 AND 21.
12:20:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION MY MIRANDA, SECOND FROM
12:20:47PM CLENDENIN.
12:20:48PM >>BILL CARLSON: MOVE 22 THROUGH 34.
12:20:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM CARLSON, SECONDED.
12:20:53PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:20:53PM AYE.
12:20:54PM ANY OPPOSED?
12:20:54PM CLENDENIN, 35 THROUGH 37.
12:20:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOVE 35, 36, 37.
12:21:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM MIRANDA.
12:21:03PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:21:03PM AYE.
12:21:05PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE ITEMS 38 AND 39 TO BE SET FOR REVIEW
12:21:08PM HEARINGS, NUMBER 38 ON APRIL 4th, 2024 AT 10 A.M.
12:21:14PM THE ADDRESS HERE AT CITY HALL.
12:21:15PM THE OTHER ONE IS 39, PETITION FOR REVIEW, ALSO HEARING FOR
12:21:20PM MARCH 28, 2024, 10 A.M.
12:21:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
12:21:25PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
12:21:26PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:21:27PM AYE.
12:21:28PM ANY OPPOSED.
12:21:29PM STILL DON'T SEE THE CORRECT PRESENTATION.
12:21:32PM CAN WE GET A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM 41?
12:21:34PM SORRY.
12:21:37PM MOVE TO WITHDRAWN ITEM 41.
12:21:39PM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
12:21:40PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
12:21:41PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:21:42PM AYE.
12:21:43PM MR. VILA, CAN WE BRING THIS LATER ON TODAY?
12:21:57PM >> IT'S AT YOUR DISCRETION.
12:21:58PM YES, SIR.
12:21:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
12:21:59PM WE'LL HEAR ITEM NUMBER 5 LATER ON THIS AFTERNOON.
12:22:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE $6.5 MILLION.
12:22:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE CAN WAIT UNTIL THE END.
12:22:13PM WE DON'T HAVE STAFF REPORT FOR THESE FOLKS.
12:22:15PM MR. VILA, WE'LL SEE YOU AFTER LUNCH SOMETIME.
12:22:19PM I'LL CALL YOU UP.
12:22:20PM I'M SORRY.
12:22:21PM WE ARE IN RECESS UNTIL 1:15.
12:22:25PM 1:30?
12:22:28PM LET'S DO 1:30.
12:22:30PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:22:31PM WE ARE IN RECESS.
12:22:32PM [LUNCH RECESS]
01:35:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.
01:35:11PM WELCOME BACK TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
01:35:15PM ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
01:35:16PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
01:35:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
01:35:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
01:35:21PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT.
01:35:23PM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
01:35:24PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
01:35:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
01:35:25PM >>CLERK: YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
01:35:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE WILL KICK IT OFF WITH COUNCILMAN
01:35:30PM VIERA TO RECOGNIZE OUR FRIEND, TONYA LEWIS.
01:35:33PM GO AHEAD, SIR.
01:35:34PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
01:35:38PM WE HAVE HERE A NUMBER OF GOOD PEOPLE INCLUDING OUR VERY GOOD
01:35:42PM FRIEND AND AMAZING COMMUNITY ADVOCATE, MISS TONYA LEWIS, WHO
01:35:47PM IS HERE.
01:35:48PM JANUARY IS CERVICAL CANCER AWARENESS MONTH, AND TONYA HAD A
01:35:52PM VERY, VERY PUBLIC BATTLE THAT WAS RECENTLY FOUND OUT ON
01:35:56PM HALLOWWEEN NIGHT OF 2023 INVOLVING CERVICAL CANCER.
01:35:59PM JANUARY, AGAIN, IS CERVICAL CANCER AWARENESS MONTH, AND TONYA
01:36:05PM WISHED TO COME HERE ON TAMPA CITY COUNCIL AND FOR THE
01:36:10PM LAST-MINUTE OF SPEAKING OF HER PERSONAL JOURNEY OF CERVICAL
01:36:16PM CANCER TREATMENT.
01:36:17PM EVERY YEAR, 11 ,500 NEW CASES INVOLVING CERVICAL CANCER AND
01:36:22PM 4,000 WOMEN DIE EVERY YEAR FROM THIS PARTICULAR CANCER.
01:36:25PM TONYA IS USING HER EXPERIENCE AS A COMMUNITY ADVOCATE AND IS
01:36:29PM A PERSON WHO IS PRESENTLY UNDERGOING TREATMENT FOR CERVICAL
01:36:32PM CANCER TO BE AN ADVOCATE FOR THIS.
01:36:35PM SHE IS A FOUNDER OF CHILDREN WITH VISION INCORPORATED AND
01:36:38PM ONE OF THE BEST COMMUNITY ADVOCATES.
01:36:41PM THIS MONTH WHEN THE COUNTY COMMISSION HONORED THIS WONDERFUL
01:36:43PM WOMAN, COUNTY COMMISSIONER GWEN MYERS SAID SHE IS A TRUE
01:36:49PM "SHERO."
01:36:50PM SHE WAS A SHERO BEFORE THIS RECENT TRAGEDY AND USE THIS
01:36:54PM TRAGEDY TO ADVOCATE FOR OTHER.
01:36:56PM THE TONYA LEWIS CARE TEAM.
01:36:58PM LOUANNE BEAKER, OLIVER SUTTON, CHARMAINE BURR AND ANTHONY
01:37:05PM SMITH.
01:37:05PM TAMPA CITY COUNCIL -- I WILL GO AHEAD AND PRESENT THE
01:37:09PM COMMENDATION, IF I MAY.
01:37:10PM A COMMENDATION TO TONYA LEWIS FOR EVERYTHING SHE IS DOING TO
01:37:14PM SPREAD AWARENESS OF CERVICAL CANCER IN JANUARY AND BEYOND
01:37:18PM AND ESPECIALLY TO BE A VOICE FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS, WOMEN
01:37:20PM AND OTHERS WHO ARE STRUGGLING WITH THIS CONDITION.
01:37:21PM SO HERE YOU GO, MADAM.
01:37:23PM GOD BLESS YOU.
01:37:24PM THANK YOU.
01:37:24PM [APPLAUSE]
01:37:33PM >> FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO GIVE HONOR TO GOD TO BE ABLE TO
01:37:37PM TALK TO YOU WITH THE RARE CERVICAL CANCER THAT I DO HAVE.
01:37:41PM AND THANK YOU, CITY COUNCIL, FOR THIS PRESTIGIOUS
01:37:46PM COMMENDATION.
01:37:46PM I WANT TO SAY IF IT WASN'T FOR THE LOVE AND THE CARE THE
01:37:56PM CARE TEAM THAT TOOK ME EVERY DAY SINCE OCTOBER 31, I DON'T
01:38:01PM KNOW HOW I WOULD MAKE IT.
01:38:02PM PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND AS CANCER PATIENT, IT IS A LOT.
01:38:06PM THREE TO FOUR APPOINTMENTS EVERY DAY.
01:38:08PM RADIATION AND CHEMO IS NOT EASY.
01:38:10PM IT TAKES A LOT OUT OF YOU, BUT JUST KNOWING THAT THE LOVE
01:38:13PM THAT I HAVE FROM THE COMMUNITY THE SUPPORT OF SO MANY
01:38:18PM WONDERFUL PEOPLE BEHIND ME FROM PASTORS TO COLLEAGUES TO
01:38:21PM SPONSORS TO MY CARE TEAM, THE CITY OF TAMPA POLICE
01:38:27PM DEPARTMENT AND WHO WANTED TO BE HERE AND CAN'T BECAUSE THEY
01:38:29PM ARE WORKING.
01:38:30PM TO WALK IN TO MOFFITT.
01:38:34PM I NEED TO GIVE MOFFITT THE HIGHEST REGARD OF RESPECT.
01:38:38PM BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO IN THERE, IT'S A REVOLVING DOOR.
01:38:43PM YOU SEE SO MANY PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT TYPES OF CANCER.
01:38:45PM I NEVER KNEW SO MANY CANCERS EXISTED UNTIL I WALKED IN
01:38:49PM THERE.
01:38:50PM I NEVER THOUGHT MY LIFE WOULD TURN IN A SPLIT OF A SECOND
01:38:58PM AND EVERYBODY KNOWS TONYA LEWIS USED TO GOING, GOING, GOING
01:39:02PM AND HARDEST JOURNEY TO WORRY OF TONYA INSTEAD OF THE WHOLE
01:39:07PM COMMUNITY THAT I HAVE FOR 31 YEARS WITH A VISION.
01:39:09PM IS GOOD.
01:39:11PM I'M HERE.
01:39:11PM I AM ABLE TO TALK TODAY.
01:39:13PM WHEN YOU ARE GOING IN THE HOSPITAL, SO MANY PEOPLE -- I END
01:39:15PM UP PRAYING FOR THEM, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT IN THE CONDITION
01:39:18PM THAT I AM IN RIGHT NOW TO BE ABLE TO WALK AROUND TO TALK.
01:39:23PM IT IS VERY HEART-WRENCHING.
01:39:26PM AND I AM BLESSED CONSIDERING TO OTHERS.
01:39:28PM SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I TELL A LOT OF PEOPLE
01:39:32PM THROUGH MY JOURNEY, THROUGH TONYA LEWIS'S JOURNEY, THAT I
01:39:37PM STARTED ON SOCIAL MEDIA THAT -- GET CHECKED.
01:39:41PM GET CHECKED.
01:39:42PM I MEAN, WE SO OFTEN SAY IF THEY ARE NOT HURTING, WE DON'T
01:39:48PM GO.
01:39:49PM WE HAVE TO GET CHECKED AND STAY UP ON OUR HEALTH AND OUR
01:39:52PM APPOINTMENTS BECAUSE NEVER DID I THINK I WOULD HAVE GOT THAT
01:39:56PM DEVASTATING NEWS ON OCTOBER 31 THAT YOU GOT CERVICAL CANCER.
01:40:00PM AND A RARE CERVICAL CANCER.
01:40:03PM ONLY 70 PEOPLE IN THE WHOLE WORLD HAVE THE CERVICAL CANCER
01:40:09PM THAT I HAVE.
01:40:09PM AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK CITY COUNCIL AND THANK MY COMMUNITY
01:40:13PM AND THANK THE COMMUNITY CARE TEAM.
01:40:14PM AND I TELL YOU, THE COMMUNITY JUST THIS PAST -- LAST
01:40:18PM SATURDAY CAME OUT SO BIG THAT IT WAS VERY HUMBLING.
01:40:22PM AND I AM NOT USED TO THE -- THE -- THE EYE POINTED ON ME
01:40:27PM PAUSE I AM USED TO DOING EVERYTHING AGAIN FOR EVERYONE ELSE.
01:40:31PM GOD TO BE THE GLORY THAT I AM GOING TO GET THROUGH THIS.
01:40:34PM I AM A FIGHTER.
01:40:35PM I ALWAYS FIGHT.
01:40:36PM AND GOD DIDN'T BRING ME TO IT TO LEAVE ME.
01:40:39PM HE ALWAYS WILL SEE ME THROUGH IT.
01:40:41PM SO THANK YOU.
01:40:42PM [APPLAUSE]
01:40:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELL, I PERSONALLY HAVE KNOWN YOU FOR
01:40:53PM ABOUT 14 YEARS.
01:40:54PM AND I WITNESSED FIRST HAND THE HELP THAT YOU HAVE DONE AND
01:40:58PM WHAT YOU HAVE GIVEN BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.
01:41:00PM YOU ARE A WONDERFUL PERSON.
01:41:01PM I AM -- YOU KNOW, MY HEART BREAKS FOR YOU, BUT YOU ARE IN
01:41:05PM OUR PRAYERS.
01:41:05PM AND YOU ARE VERY SPECIAL TO US.
01:41:07PM AND I AM GLAD THAT COUNCILMAN VIERA BROUGHT YOU HERE TODAY
01:41:11PM THAT WE CAN HONOR YOU.
01:41:12PM YOU SAID -- YOU PUT THE SPOTLIGHT ON EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT NOW
01:41:16PM IT IS ON YOU, BUT YOU DESERVE THE RECOGNITION FOR ALL THE
01:41:20PM WORK IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
01:41:22PM THANK YOU.
01:41:22PM ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK?
01:41:25PM YES, SIR.
01:41:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I CAN ONLY SAY THIS.
01:41:27PM I FIRED SOMEBODY NEVER STAY DOWN FOR LONG.
01:41:34PM AND YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE IT BECAUSE YOUR DESIRE AND WILL TO
01:41:38PM KEEP FIGHTING ONE STEP AT A TIME.
01:41:39PM YOU ARE RIGHT, MOFFITT IS NOT EASY.
01:41:42PM YOU WALK IN THERE, YOU SEE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE WORST OFF
01:41:46PM THAN MOST ISSUE SEE IN YOUR LIFE.
01:41:48PM PARTS OF THEIR FACE ARE MISSING.
01:41:51PM I HAD THE DISPLEASURE AND THEN THE PAIN WATCHING SOMEONE IN
01:41:54PM THE FAMILY PASS AWAY MANY YEARS AGO.
01:41:57PM AND FOR 27 MONTHS, WENT THERE.
01:42:02PM AND A PLACE WHERE THEY CURE MOST EVERYBODY AND CANCER IS
01:42:06PM FINDING MORE AND MORE -- SCREENS I AM SEEING IN THE NEW
01:42:11PM MACHINES AND THEY CAN LOOK AT YOU FOR YEAR TO YEAR AND SEE
01:42:14PM FORMATION OF CELLS BEFORE IT BECOMES CANCER AND TAKE THEM
01:42:18PM OUT.
01:42:18PM THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF ADVANCEMENT AND YOUR DRIVE AND
01:42:21PM DETERMINATION TO HELP OTHERS, THAT PERSON UPSTAIRS IS GOING
01:42:24PM TO HELP YOU BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU HAVE DONE FOR THE WHOLE
01:42:26PM COMMUNITY.
01:42:27PM WE ARE GRACIOUS TO HAVE YOU HERE.
01:42:29PM WE ALWAYS THANK YOU FOR WHO YOU ARE, AND THANK GOD YOU ARE
01:42:37PM WHO YOU ARE BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN THE HELP
01:42:40PM THEY GOT.
01:42:41PM THANK YOU.
01:42:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE?
01:42:45PM THANK YOU.
01:42:45PM [APPLAUSE]
01:42:53PM >>LUIS VIERA: YOU WANTED A PICTURE WITH COUNCIL.
01:42:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SURE.
01:42:57PM COME ON UP.
01:42:58PM >> I JUST RUNG THE BELL FRIDAY.
01:44:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT, MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN
01:44:45PM THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
01:44:47PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO MOVED.
01:44:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND.
01:44:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
01:44:51PM OPPOSED.
01:44:53PM MR. SHELBY.
01:44:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ITEM NUMBER 4, FILE NUMBER E 2023-8,
01:45:05PM CHAPTER 27, A NOTICE TO SUSPEND THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC
01:45:10PM BEVERAGES PURSUANT TO LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 27-318 FOR THE
01:45:14PM PROPERTY LOCATED 2201 NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE.
01:45:20PM BEFORE WE BEGIN, I WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS.
01:45:22PM ANY VERBAL EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS RELATIVE TO THIS CASE
01:45:26PM THAT NEED TO BE DISCLOSED?
01:45:28PM I SEE NO RESPONSE.
01:45:29PM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I JUST -- SEPARATE TO THAT, I WANT TO
01:45:34PM DISCLOSE -- MAYBE YOU ARE --
01:45:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU DON'T MIND.
01:45:39PM MY SECOND QUESTION IS, WITH REGARD TO GRAND CATHEDRAL CIGARS
01:45:45PM AT 2201 NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE, HAS ANYBODY HAD THE
01:45:50PM OPPORTUNITY TO BE FAMILIAR WITH THAT SITE, TO VISIT THAT
01:45:52PM SITE.
01:45:52PM AND IF YOU ARE, WILL YOU PLEASE DISCLOSE IT, JUST SO WE KNOW
01:45:57PM FOR THE RECORD.
01:45:57PM WE DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO TREMENDOUS DETAIL UNLESS IT IS
01:46:01PM NECESSARY.
01:46:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE BEEN TO THE FACILITY SEVERAL TIMES
01:46:07PM JUST AS A CUSTOMER.
01:46:09PM I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE OWNERS OR ANY -- ACTUALLY ANY OF
01:46:13PM THE ISSUES AROUND IT.
01:46:14PM I JUST HAVE BEEN A CUSTOMER.
01:46:15PM AND IT -- IT WON'T AFFECT MY DECISION.
01:46:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ANYBODY ELSE?
01:46:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
01:46:23PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I RODE IN THE PARKING LOT OF THE FACILITY
01:46:30PM SIX MONTHS AGO.
01:46:31PM AND I KNOW THAT THE OWNERS OF THE FACILITY DID DONATE TO THE
01:46:35PM SKILLS CENTER $1,000.
01:46:37PM AND THAT SKILLS CENTER IS IN MY DISTRICT.
01:46:40PM AND I WAS ASKED WHAT -- YOU KNOW, WHO TO MAKE A DONATION TO,
01:46:45PM AND I RECOMMENDED THE SKILLS CENTER.
01:46:47PM BUT I'LL BE IMPARTIAL.
01:46:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE GONE AS A CUSTOMER, BUT I CAN BE
01:46:53PM -- I HAVE BEEN THERE MANY TIMES, BUT I'LL BE FAIR AND
01:46:57PM IMPARTIAL BASED ON THE EVIDENCE AND THE CASE AND EVERYTHING.
01:46:59PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:47:00PM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH.
01:47:01PM I HAVE BEEN THERE UNTIL A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, AND I WENT THERE
01:47:08PM TWO OR THREE TEAMS A MONTH FOR TWO YEARS OR SOMETHING AFTER
01:47:11PM A FEW MONTHS AFTER THEY OPENED.
01:47:13PM AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE MET THE OWNERS BEFORE.
01:47:16PM I HAVE SAT ON THE PATIO.
01:47:19PM I SAW THEY RECENTLY CLOSED IT.
01:47:21PM SO I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE SINCE THEN.
01:47:23PM I DON'T DRINK ALCOHOL REALLY.
01:47:25PM SO I HAVE NEVER HAD ALCOHOL OUT THERE.
01:47:27PM I HAVE PAID FOR OTHER PEOPLE FOR PEOPLE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT
01:47:31PM WAS ALCOHOL OR NOT.
01:47:32PM IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE FOR ME TO RECUSE MYSELF BECAUSE OF THAT,
01:47:36PM PLEASE LET ME KNOW AND I WILL SIT IN THE BACK FOR THE NEXT
01:47:39PM COUPLE OF HOURS, BUT IF NOT, I THINK I CAN BE FAIR AND
01:47:42PM IMPARTIAL.
01:47:43PM THE DECISION AS I SEE IT WILL BE BASED ON THE FACTS OF THE
01:47:47PM CASE AND BASED ON THE LAW AND THE FACTS OF THE CASE THAT
01:47:50PM WILL BE PRESENTED TO US NOT ON ANY PRIOR EXPERIENCE.
01:47:53PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS MY POINT.
01:47:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AND I HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF TIMES.
01:47:57PM LAST TIME WAS FOR -- WITH COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO'S ELECTION.
01:48:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ANYBODY ELSE?
01:48:05PM YES?
01:48:06PM >>LUIS VIERA: I DON'T EVER BEEN.
01:48:08PM APPARENTLY I DON'T GET OUT MUCH BUT -- [LAUGHTER]
01:48:14PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ANYWAY --
01:48:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MICROPHONE.
01:48:17PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WAS JUST AT LUNCH TODAY AT SITTING AT A
01:48:21PM TABLE WITH A FRIEND OF MINE BS'ING.
01:48:23PM AND A FELLA SAID I HEAR YOU HAVE A HEARING CLOSING SO AND SO
01:48:27PM PLACE.
01:48:27PM I SAID WELL -- HE SAID I WANT YOU TO KNOW I DON'T CARE WHAT
01:48:31PM YOU DO, I AM CONCERNED THAT THE CITY HIRED A PRIVATE
01:48:35PM DETECTIVE.
01:48:35PM AND THAT WAS THE END OF THE CONVERSATION.
01:48:36PM TWO DAYS AGO I WAS WALKING INTO PUBLIX AND A LADY WALKING
01:48:40PM AROUND ME TELLING ME ABOUT THIS PLACE -- I GUESS THIS ONE.
01:48:44PM I KEPT ON GOING.
01:48:45PM SHE SAID WELL, THAT'S IT.
01:48:46PM I SAID THAT'S IT.
01:48:47PM IT IS COMING.
01:48:48PM YOU CAN COME TO THE HEARING, IF YOU LIKE.
01:48:51PM THAT WAS IT.
01:48:52PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ATTORNEY SHELBY, I SHOULD SAYS IT TWO
01:48:55PM BLOCKS FROM MY HOME.
01:48:56PM I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S --
01:48:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: LET ME ASK YOU THIS, YOU DO NOT HAVE A
01:49:01PM FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THIS WHATSOEVER?
01:49:04PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I DO NOT.
01:49:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SO IT IS CLEAR FOR THE RECORD, IS THERE
01:49:09PM ANYBODY THAT SAYS THEY CAN NOT BE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL AND NOT
01:49:13PM ABLE TO JUDGE IN CASE ON THE EVIDENCE THAT IS GOING TO BE
01:49:17PM PRESENTED AT THE HEARING.
01:49:18PM IS THERE ANYBODY WHO FEELS THE NEED THAT THEY ARE NOT ABLE
01:49:22PM TO ASSURE A FAIR PROCEEDING FREE OF POTENTIAL BIAS AND
01:49:25PM PREJUDICE?
01:49:26PM I SEE NOBODY RESPONDING, FOR THE RECORD.
01:49:29PM THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO ASK OF YOU, COUNCIL, AS YOU
01:49:32PM HEAR THIS EVIDENCE, CONSIDERING THAT MOST OF YOU HAVE HAD
01:49:37PM EXPERIENCE WITH THAT LOCATION.
01:49:39PM PLEASE DO NOT TESTIFY.
01:49:43PM TO NOT USE THE KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AS PERSONAL
01:49:47PM EXPERIENCE AND FACTOR THAT IN AND USE THAT.
01:49:51PM IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, YOUR OPPORTUNITY IS TO ASK
01:49:55PM THOSE QUESTIONS AND GET THE EVIDENCE FROM THE WITNESSES.
01:49:59PM SO I WOULD ASK YOU SERIOUSLY TO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING AS
01:50:05PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID, THE FACTS.
01:50:09PM APPLY THE CODE.
01:50:09PM RENDER YOUR DECISION.
01:50:11PM AND WE CAN GO FROM THERE.
01:50:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
01:50:15PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY BASED ON WHAT WE
01:50:19PM HAVE JUST SAID, IF -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO
01:50:23PM LEGALLY BUT IF EITHER SIDE WOULD LIKE YOU TO RECUSE
01:50:26PM YOURSELF, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO SAY SO NOW BEFORE WAITING
01:50:30PM FOR A TESTIMONY.
01:50:30PM I WON'T BE OFFENDED IF YOU WANT SOMEBODY WANTS ME TO RECUSE
01:50:35PM MYSELF, BUT I WANT TO KNOW NOW.
01:50:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, THAT IS THE QUESTION.
01:50:39PM I DON'T WANT -- I DON'T -- YOU ARE INVITING SOMEBODY -- IF
01:50:44PM SOMEBODY WANTS TO GO ON THE RECORD.
01:50:46PM >>BILL CARLSON: I AM NOT INVITING ANYONE -- I DON'T WANT TO
01:50:48PM SIT THROUGH THE HEARING AND SOMEONE AT THE END SAYING YOU
01:50:53PM HAVE TO RECUSE YOURSELF.
01:50:54PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: BUT YOU HAVE STATED FOR THE RECORD YOU CAN
01:50:57PM BE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL AND DISCUSS THE MERITS OF THE CASE
01:51:00PM FROM THE EVIDENCE AT THE HEARING.
01:51:01PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
01:51:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
01:51:02PM OKAY.
01:51:03PM MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ.
01:51:06PM JUST ONE MORE THING, COUNCIL, BEFORE WE BEGIN.
01:51:13PM THERE IS A WRITTEN COMMUNICATION -- IF WE CAN JUST HAVE A
01:51:16PM MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THOSE.
01:51:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
01:51:22PM SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
01:51:24PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
01:51:24PM OPPOSED?
01:51:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
01:51:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYONE SPEAKING ON THIS CASE PUBLIC
01:51:29PM COMMENT OR TESTIFYING.
01:51:32PM PLEASE STAND UP AND RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE
01:51:36PM SPEAKING AT ALL -- [SWEARING IN]
01:51:42PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF WE CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN.
01:51:43PM I BELIEVE MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ, MY APOLOGIES, BUT PRELIMINARY
01:51:50PM PROCEDURAL MATTERS FOR THE RECORD THAT -- THAT THE ATTORNEY
01:51:53PM FOR THE RESPONDENT HAS TO RAISE.
01:51:59PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNSEL, MARK BENTLEY, 400 ASHLEY DRIVE,
01:52:05PM TAMPA, 33602, AND I REPRESENT YBOR CITY CATHEDRAL CIGARS.
01:52:11PM JUST TO GET ON THE RECORD HERE IS THAT THERE IS A PROCEDURAL
01:52:14PM ISSUE WITH THE MANNER WHICH THE CITY HANDLED THIS PROCESS I
01:52:19PM BELIEVE PREVENTS COUNCIL FROM INVOKING JURISDICTION OVER THE
01:52:23PM MATTER.
01:52:23PM THE CITY HAS ALLEGED AND NOTICED VIOLATION OF SECTION
01:52:30PM 23-318-C1D WHICH I HAVE ON THE OVERHEAD HERE.
01:52:34PM THIS CODE SECTION REQUIRES FOR THE CITY TO PROVIDE NOTICE TO
01:52:38PM TERMINATE OR CURE THE ALLEGED CONDITION PRIOR TO ISSUING A
01:52:42PM NOTICE OF INTENT.
01:52:44PM THIS REQUIREMENT IS FURTHER CONFIRMED IN THIS MAY 7 E-MAIL
01:52:49PM FROM THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR TO ANOTHER STAFF -- STAFFER.
01:52:53PM AND SAYS, QUOTE PREVIOUSLY SENT WARNING LETTERS TO
01:53:00PM BUSINESSES FOR OPERATE OUTSIDE OF THEIR WET ZONE PRIOR TO
01:53:04PM SENDING A TRUE NOTICE OF INTENT.
01:53:06PM HAD THE CITY FULFILLED ITS OBLIGATION UNDER THE CODE, THE
01:53:09PM CLIENT WOULD IMMEDIATELY CONTACTED THE CITY TO RESOLVE THIS
01:53:12PM MATTER AND THIS SITUATION COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED.
01:53:14PM NOTABLY, THE CITY, EVEN EXTREME CASES THAT YOU HAVE BEEN
01:53:19PM INVOLVED IN, FOR EXAMPLE, THE YBOR GROCERY STOP, WHICH
01:53:23PM INVOLVED CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES, SALES OF DRUGS, THINGS LIKE
01:53:26PM THAT.
01:53:27PM THEY WERE GIVEN AMPLE NOTICE AND OPPORTUNITY TO CORRECT.
01:53:31PM AND ACTUALLY THEY WERE AGAIN AFTER THEIR LAST NOTICE 56 DAYS
01:53:35PM TO PREPARE FOR THE HEARINGS WHERE WE WERE PROVIDED ROUGHLY
01:53:39PM 20 SOMETHING.
01:53:39PM I WOULD NOTE THAT THE CLIENT UTILIZE THE AREA WHERE THE
01:53:47PM ALLEGED VIOLATIONS OCCURRED.
01:53:49PM I WOULD SUGGEST IF THE CITY IS STILL CONSIDERING PROSECUTING
01:53:53PM THIS MATTER THAT IT TAKE A STEP BACK TO CURE THE PROCEDURAL
01:53:56PM DEFECT OTHERWISE ANY ACTION BY COUNCIL MAY BE LEGALLY
01:53:59PM SUSPECT.
01:53:59PM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
01:54:00PM APPRECIATE IT.
01:54:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:54:02PM MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ OR MR. SHELBY.
01:54:07PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF THE CITY WISHES TO RESPOND TO THAT.
01:54:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
01:54:10PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF CITY
01:54:14PM COUNCIL.
01:54:14PM THERE ARE TWO -- WELL -- I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO MUCH INTO
01:54:19PM THE MERITS, BUT IF YOU REVIEW THE NOTICE OF INTENT.
01:54:21PM TWO BASES OF WHICH THE CITY IS NOTIFIED THE PROPERTY OWNER
01:54:25PM OF ITS INTENT TO SUSPEND THEIR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE PERMIT.
01:54:29PM ONE IS THE SECTION 27-318-C-1-D THAT MR. BARNABY PARTIALLY
01:54:38PM PARAPHRASED.
01:54:39PM AND THE OTHER ONE 27-17-C-1-N, WHICH NO -- EVEN ASSUMING IF
01:54:46PM YOU ACCEPT HIS ARGUMENT THAT THE CITY DOES NOT, IS A
01:54:50PM SEPARATE BASIS AND IS A SEPARATE BASIS AND DEALS WITH
01:54:54PM VIOLATIONS OF ANY CONDITION, LIMITATION OR RESTRICTION THAT
01:54:58PM CITY COUNCIL OR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR PLACED ON THE
01:55:01PM ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE APPROVAL.
01:55:02PM THAT IS A SEPARATE BASIS.
01:55:04PM IF COUNCIL -- WE ARE HAPPY TO PROCEED WITH BOTH.
01:55:07PM WE BELIEVE THAT ALL THE PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN
01:55:10PM MET TO PROCEED WITH BOTH.
01:55:11PM AND CERTAINLY YOU CAN PROCEED WITH THE HEARING ON THAT BASIS
01:55:16PM THIS AFTERNOON.
01:55:17PM THERE HAS BEEN NO QUESTION RAISED OF ANY PROCEDURAL DEFECT
01:55:22PM OF THAT PARTICULAR DEFECT THAT ALLOWS SUSPENSION FOR CAUSE.
01:55:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS IT PROPER TO ALLOW MR. BENTLEY TO
01:55:31PM RESPOND TO THAT?
01:55:32PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF HE WISHES.
01:55:33PM >> MARK BENTLEY, ONCE AGAIN, FOR THE RECORD.
01:55:35PM I AGREE WITH MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ'S INTERPRETATION.
01:55:39PM I WOULD ASSUME IF THE CITY IS INCLINED DROP THE ALLEGED
01:55:44PM VIOLATION RELATING TO SUBSECTION D, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM
01:55:48PM GOING FORWARD.
01:55:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ.
01:55:54PM >> SHE JUST SAID BASICALLY MY UNDERSTANDING THERE WAS A
01:55:57PM NOTICE REQUIREMENT TO ALLEGE A VIOLATION OF SUBSECTIONS D.
01:56:01PM THE CITY DID NOT GIVE NOTICE, BUT SHE SAID SHE IS PREPARED
01:56:04PM TO GO FORWARD AND DEFEND THE OTHER SUBSECTION THAT DOESN'T
01:56:08PM REQUIRE NOTICE.
01:56:08PM SEE WHAT I AM SAYING?
01:56:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ.
01:56:14PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE IS SAYING AND
01:56:17PM LET ME BE CLEAR.
01:56:18PM CITY OF TAMPA DOES NOT AGREE WITH HIS DECISION TO GO WITH
01:56:24PM 27-318-C-1-D.
01:56:27PM DO NOT AGREE A PROCEDURAL DEFECT OF PROCEEDING WITH A
01:56:30PM SUSPENSION HEARING BASED ON THAT GROUND.
01:56:32PM SO WE DO NOT AGREE THERE IS A PROCEDURAL DEFECT.
01:56:35PM WE DO NOT AGREE THERE WAS NOTICE REQUIRED BY THAT SECTION.
01:56:38PM SO THE CITY IS NOT INCLINED TO DROP THAT -- THAT GROUND FOR
01:56:45PM SUSPENSION.
01:56:46PM WHAT I FURTHER SAID WAS, THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE
01:56:51PM IN THE UNDER 27-318-C-1-A SHORT OF WHAT WE PROVIDED IN THE
01:56:56PM NOTICE OF INTENT.
01:56:58PM THE CITY COUNCIL CAN PROCEED ON THOSE GROUNDS AS WELL.
01:57:00PM WE BELIEVE THE CITY COUNCIL HAS APPROPRIATE -- WE HAVE MET
01:57:03PM ALL PROCEDURAL GUIDELINES TO PROCEED WITH THE HEARING AS
01:57:07PM NOTICED IN THE NOTICE OF INTENT, AS WELL AS THE NOTICE OF
01:57:10PM HEARING.
01:57:10PM >> JUST BRIEF RESPONSE AND THEN I WILL WRAP IT UP SO I
01:57:14PM UNDERSTAND HERE.
01:57:14PM CITED YOU THE CODE.
01:57:16PM YOU CAN SEE ON THE OVERHEAD, IT SAYS YOU CAN INVOKE THIS
01:57:19PM SECTION OR ALLEGED VIOLATION AFTER HAVING RECEIVED
01:57:22PM REASONABLE NOTICE TO TERMINATE AND CORRECT ANY CONDITION
01:57:25PM THAT IS IN VIOLATION OF SUCH CODE OF ORDINANCE AND LAW.
01:57:29PM WE NEVER RECEIVED NOTICE.
01:57:30PM THAT IS MY POINT HERE.
01:57:32PM AND IF THE CITY HAS NOTICE, I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO SEE
01:57:35PM IT.
01:57:36PM SO I DON'T THINK THE CITY IS IN A POSITION TO PROSECUTE
01:57:40PM SUBSECTIONS D.
01:57:41PM THANK YOU.
01:57:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN,kt.
01:57:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES, MA'AM.
01:57:45PM DOES THE CITY HAVE EVIDENCE OF NOTICE?
01:57:50PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I WILL ASK COUNSEL -- I KNOW IT IS A
01:57:52PM LITTLE HARD -- AND THE WORDS ARE PULLED OUT OF WHAT MR.
01:57:56PM BENTLEY READ IN THE NOTEBOOK.
01:57:59PM OPERATION OF THE ESTABLISHMENT REPEATEDLY AND ON AN ONGOING
01:58:04PM BASIS NEGATIVE EFFECTS ON SURROUNDING PROPERTY, INCLUDING
01:58:08PM BUT NOT LIMITED TO VIOLATIONS OF CITY CODE, WHERE YOU HAVE
01:58:11PM BEEN GIVEN REASONABLE NOTICE TO TERMINATE AND CORRECT ANY
01:58:17PM CONDITION.
01:58:17PM DOESN'T SAY ONLY -- ONLY IF YOU VIOLATED A CITY CODE OR
01:58:20PM STATE LAW OR ORDINANCE.
01:58:22PM SAYS "INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO," THAT, I BELIEVE,
01:58:26PM RECOGNIZES THE FACT THAT THERE CAN BE NEGATIVE SECONDARILY
01:58:31PM IMPACTS IN OPERATION OF A ESTABLISHMENT THAT RESULTS EVEN
01:58:33PM WHEN THERE HAS BEEN NO VIOLATION OF CITY CODE.
01:58:35PM THERE CAN STILL BE NEGATIVE EFFECTS.
01:58:37PM THAT'S WHY IT IS NOT LIMITED TO ONLY VIOLATIONS OF STATE OR
01:58:42PM LOCAL LAW.
01:58:42PM >> DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR.
01:58:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM NOT SEEING IT AND MAYBE I AM NOT
01:58:52PM READING IT CORRECTLY.
01:58:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
01:58:56PM >>BILL CARLSON: WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE FACTS OF THE CASE,
01:58:58PM COULD YOU JUST TELL US IF IT WASN'T A VIOLATION OF THE CODE,
01:59:03PM THE REQUIRED NOTICE, CAN YOU TELL US JUST HIGH LEVEL WHAT IT
01:59:09PM WAS THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE "NOT LIMITED TO?"
01:59:15PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: WELL, I -- THERE HAVE BEEN COMPLAINTS
01:59:18PM FROM MEMBERS OF THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY THAT STAFF HAS
01:59:22PM BEEN MADE AWARE OF.
01:59:23PM AND I BELIEVE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF FOLKS FROM THE
01:59:25PM SURROUNDING COMMUNITY WHO ARE HERE THAT CAN PROVIDE
01:59:28PM TESTIMONY AS TO THOSE NEGATIVE SECONDARILY EFFECTS OF HOW
01:59:33PM THIS BUSINESS HAS BEEN OPERATED.
01:59:34PM >>BILL CARLSON: THEY ARE NOT CODE VIOLATIONS.
01:59:36PM MY QUESTION IS MORE OF -- WHAT ARE THEY VIOLATING IF NOT A
01:59:39PM CODE.
01:59:40PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY SUGGESTION THAT YOU HEAR THE EVIDENCE IF
01:59:42PM THAT IS THE COUNCIL'S DECISION AND THEN YOU DETERMINE --
01:59:45PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE ATTORNEY IS TRYING TO SEE IF WE GO AHEAD
01:59:48PM WITH PART OF IT, SO --
01:59:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, RATHER THAN DISASSEMBLE THE ENTIRE
01:59:54PM PRESENTATION OF THE CASE TO ANSWER A QUESTION ANSWERED IN
01:59:57PM DUE COURSE.
01:59:58PM MR. BENTLEY'S OBJECTION IS NOTED FOR THE RECORD.
02:00:01PM AND I BELIEVE IF YOU WANT TO RENEW THE OBJECTION AT SOME
02:00:04PM POINT IN TIME, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO.
02:00:05PM >> MR. SHELBY, MY EXCEPTION IS PROCEDURAL DUE PROCESS.
02:00:10PM NOTHING TO DO WITH TESTIMONY OR EVIDENCE.
02:00:12PM IT IS A PROCEDURAL ISSUE AND I THINK COUNCIL SHOULD ACT ON
02:00:15PM THE ISSUE BEFORE WE GET INTO MERITS OF THE CASE.
02:00:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I GUESS THE QUESTION WHAT CONSTITUTES
02:00:23PM REASONABLE NOTICE.
02:00:23PM IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN CONTACT WITH THEM, MIGHT THAT
02:00:27PM BE REASONABLE NOTICE.
02:00:28PM >> SAFE TO SAY REASONABLE NOTICE FROM THE CITY NOT FROM THE
02:00:34PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
02:00:35PM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. SHELBY, I WANT TO PUT IN THE RECORD SINCE
02:00:38PM HE QUESTIONED THIS.
02:00:39PM WE NEED TO PUT IN THE RECORD AT THIS POINT WHAT THE LEGAL
02:00:42PM ARGUMENT IS ON PROCEEDING FOR BOTH COUNTS.
02:00:45PM AND I DON'T THINK WE FULLY ANSWERED HIS QUESTION -- HIS
02:00:49PM ARGUMENT.
02:00:50PM SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE NEED -- I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THE WHOLE
02:00:53PM CASE, BUT WHAT -- IN MORE WORDS, WHAT IS THE LEGAL ARGUMENT
02:00:57PM FOR PROCEEDING ON THAT COUNT?
02:01:00PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU HEARD MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ.
02:01:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MISS SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ HAS ALREADY SAID
02:01:08PM THAT.
02:01:08PM MISS SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ ALREADY SAID THAT AND IF WE WANT TO
02:01:13PM GO BACK -- SHE ALWAYS SAID THIS BUT NOT LIMITED TO.
02:01:17PM I THINK THAT WE ARE CLEAR.
02:01:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
02:01:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. SHELBY.
02:01:24PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
02:01:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HE HAS ASKED COUNCIL TO RULE ON THIS
02:01:28PM POINT.
02:01:28PM SHOULDN'T THAT QUESTION BE ANSWERED?
02:01:32PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DON'T THINK THIS COUNCIL IS PREPARED TO
02:01:34PM ANSWER THAT AS A MATTER OF LAW, NOR AM I IN A POSITION TO
02:01:38PM MAKE THAT FINDING AND HOLDING FOR YOU.
02:01:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHO WOULD BE THEN?
02:01:48PM >> THIS GOES FORWARD AND HEARD AND ACCEPTABLE TO KIND, I
02:01:52PM THINK YOU MAY OTHERWISE, IF THIS IS ADVERSE TO A CLIENT'S
02:01:55PM POSITION AND A FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION, THAT WILL BE RESOLVED
02:01:59PM AT -- IN THE COURTHOUSE FRANKLY.
02:02:01PM I CAN'T -- UNLESS -- UNLESS THE CITY WISHES TO ADDRESS IT OR
02:02:08PM CURE IT IN ANY OTHER WAY THAN IT HAS, MY SUGGESTION --
02:02:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE CAN DO IT WITHOUT CURING IT HERE AND
02:02:13PM MOVE FORWARD BASED ON -- WITH THE OBJECTION NOTED?
02:02:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE THING IS THE CITY -- THE CITY HAS
02:02:20PM DECLARED THAT THEY SEE -- THEY DON'T CONCEDE IT.
02:02:23PM AND THAT THEY ARE PREPARED TO MOVE FORWARD.
02:02:26PM SO MY -- MY QUESTION AT THIS POINT IS, HOW BEST TO GO
02:02:33PM FORWARD.
02:02:33PM AND THE ANSWER TO THAT IS THE OBJECTION IS NOTED FOR THE
02:02:36PM RECORD.
02:02:37PM IT'S PRESERVED.
02:02:38PM HE CAN RENEW IT IF HE WISHES.
02:02:40PM AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME, YOU HAVE YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED
02:02:45PM IN THE COURSE OF THE TESTIMONY.
02:02:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY.
02:02:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:02:50PM YES, MA'AM?
02:02:51PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: OH, I WAS JUST GOING TO FOLLOW UP ON
02:02:53PM WHAT MR. SHELBY HAD JUST SAID.
02:02:56PM I BELIEVE THE EVIDENCE, IF YOU RECEIVE IT AT THE HEARING,
02:02:58PM WILL SHOW THERE WAS AMPLE NOTICE OF THESE CONDITIONS.
02:03:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:03:03PM THANK YOU.
02:03:04PM >> THANK YOU.
02:03:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO, AT THIS POINT, WE WILL CONTINUE WITH
02:03:08PM THE PRESENTATION.
02:03:08PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THANK YOU, CITY COUNCIL.
02:03:20PM AGAIN, SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
02:03:23PM ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LICENSE SUSPENSION 2201 NORTH FLORIDA
02:03:29PM AVENUE WHICH IS CURRENTLY OPERATING A ESTABLISHMENT CALLED
02:03:33PM GRAND CATHEDRAL CIGARS.
02:03:35PM GRAND CATHEDRAL ON FLORIDA AVENUE OF FRANCIS STREET AND
02:03:41PM AMELIA AVENUE.
02:03:41PM I WILL PUT UP AN AERIAL ON THE ELMO.
02:03:44PM THIS IS WHY YOUR BINDERS AT TAB B-1 IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO
02:03:52PM FLIP TO THAT.
02:03:53PM THE LOCATION OF GRAND CATHEDRAL IS HERE WITH THE RED DOT.
02:03:57PM AND FRANCIS STREET TO THE SOUTH AND AMELIA AVENUE TO THE
02:04:00PM NORTH.
02:04:01PM AND YOU CAN SPREE MUCH OF THE AREA SURROUNDING GRAND
02:04:05PM CATHEDRAL IS -- SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
02:04:08PM 2201 NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE HAS BEEN OWNED BY L.B. FLORIDA
02:04:20PM AVENUE LLC SINCE AUGUST 2006.
02:04:25PM TAB B.
02:04:27PM YBOR CITY GRAND CATHEDRAL LCC OPERATED GRAND CATHEDRAL
02:04:36PM SINCE 2021.
02:04:37PM I WILL ASK ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATE MANAGER WITH
02:04:43PM THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT TO COME FORWARD.
02:04:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN STATE FOR THE RECORD
02:04:47PM THAT YOU HAVE BEEN SWORN.
02:04:48PM AND ALSO MR. BENTLEY, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND COMING TO THE
02:04:53PM LECTERN, PLEASE.
02:04:54PM I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS ONE MORE THING.
02:04:56PM THANK YOU.
02:04:58PM IT IS AGREED, MISS SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ AND MISS BENTLEY THAT
02:05:03PM BOTH PARTIES WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONDUCT CROSS
02:05:06PM EXAMINATION IF REQUESTED?
02:05:08PM >> SURE.
02:05:09PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: CERTAINLY.
02:05:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT WE WILL DO IN THAT CASE, YOU CAN
02:05:13PM DIRECT YOUR QUESTION TO THE CHAIR AND THEN HAVE THE WITNESS
02:05:16PM THEN ANSWER THAT, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
02:05:18PM THANK YOU.
02:05:19PM >>ERIC COTTON: GOOD AFTERNOON, ERIC COTTON.
02:05:22PM I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
02:05:24PM SO JUST FOR HISTORY ON THIS PROPERTY, THE CITY APPROVED A
02:05:30PM SPECIAL USE AB-2 ACHOHOLIC BEVERAGE FOR SMALL VENUE PERMIT
02:05:36PM ON THIS PROPERTY.
02:05:37PM IT WAS SIGNED BY THE MAYOR FEBRUARY 24, 2022.
02:05:42PM IT WAS FOR BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR.
02:05:45PM MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ HAS IT UP ON THE SCREEN.
02:05:50PM THE PROPERTY WAS APPROVED.
02:05:52PM CERTAIN CONDITIONS ON THE SITE ITSELF SHOWING WHAT COULD BE
02:05:56PM -- WHERE ALCOHOL COULD BE SERVED.
02:05:57PM THERE WAS A LEGAL DESCRIPTION THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT.
02:06:01PM I DON'T BELIEVE THIS -- THIS IS PROBABLY BETTER TO SHOW THE
02:06:09PM GRAPHIC VERSION OF THIS THAN THE ACTUAL LEGAL DESCRIPTION.
02:06:13PM SO THIS IS THE GRAND CATHEDRAL.
02:06:15PM THIS IS THE ACTUAL BUILDING THAT USED TO BE A CHURCH THAT
02:06:18PM CONVERTED TO THE CIGAR BAR.
02:06:20PM AND AN OUTDOOR AREA THAT RUNS ALONGSIDE THE -- RUNNING
02:06:27PM ALONGSIDE THE -- OF THE BUILDING WHERE ALCOHOL WAS APPROVED
02:06:30PM TO BE SOLD.
02:06:31PM NOW AS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS ON THE SITE PLAN THAT I WILL
02:06:34PM SHOW YOU IN JUST A MOMENT, THE -- THE OUTDOOR MUSIC WAS
02:06:40PM SUPPOSED TO STOP -- START AT 10 P.M. ALCOHOL SALES AT 11.
02:06:44PM BY MIDNIGHT, THE WHOLE FACILITY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CLOSED.
02:06:48PM ON THE APPROVED SITE PLAN WHICH -- I WILL BLOW THIS UP SO IT
02:06:54PM IS A LITTLE EASIER TO READ.
02:06:56PM SO YOU CAN SEE THE ZONING IS SPLIT.
02:07:02PM THERE IS -- THE CI ZONING WHERE THE PARKING LOT AND THE
02:07:09PM BUILDING ITSELF IS LOCATED.
02:07:11PM AND THIS IS RM 24 ZONING WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS THE PATIO.
02:07:15PM ON THE ACTUAL PLAN APPROVED BY COUNCIL, IT DOES SAY "NO
02:07:20PM ALCOHOL SALES ALLOWED."
02:07:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT A MINUTE.
02:07:24PM FLORIDA AVENUE IS TO THE LEFT.
02:07:25PM BUILDING IS THE GRAY AREA.
02:07:27PM AND RM-24 IS THE OPPOSITE SIDE.
02:07:30PM DID YOU DO IT BACKWARDS?
02:07:36PM >>ERIC COTTON: NO, THIS IS RM-24.
02:07:39PM THIS AREA WAS DESIGNATE NO ALCOHOL SALES.
02:07:43PM SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.
02:07:45PM THIS IS THE ISSUE -- THIS IS WHERE THE ALLEGED VIOLATION
02:07:48PM TAKES PLACE.
02:07:49PM THE APPLICANT RECOGNIZED THAT IS AN ISSUE -- OR THE PROPERTY
02:07:55PM OWNER RECOGNIZED THAT WAS AN ISSUE.
02:07:57PM THIS IS FROM THE ACELA RECORD.
02:08:00PM YOU CAN SEE REZ 22-88 WAS APPLIED FOR -- WHERE IS MY -- THEY
02:08:07PM CAME IN AND APPLIED FOR A NEW REZONINGS TO GO FROM PD -- OR
02:08:11PM FROM CI AND RM-24 TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
02:08:15PM THAT WAS TO ADDRESS -- ADDRESS THE ISSUE THAT WOULD HAVE
02:08:19PM ALLOWED THEM TO EXTEND THE ALCOHOL ALL THE WAY -- INCLUDING
02:08:23PM THE -- THIS WOULD -- THIS RN-24 WOULD HAVE CHANGE ODD
02:08:28PM THIS PD IF COUNCIL WOULD HAVE APPROVED IT AND THEY WOULD
02:08:31PM HAVE MOVED FORWARD AND APPROVE IT.
02:08:32PM THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO EXTEND THE ALCOHOL TO THE EASTERNMOST
02:08:38PM PROPERTY LINE.
02:08:38PM IT WAS FILED AND WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT.
02:08:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHEN WAS THAT DONE?
02:08:52PM >>ERIC COTTON: THIS WAS APPLIED FOR -- OPEN ON 5/30/22.
02:08:56PM I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DATE OF WITHDRAWAL.
02:08:58PM IT WAS WITHDRAWN BEFORE IT WAS SET FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
02:09:01PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: BUT -- AND JUST TO CLARIFY IF I MAY,
02:09:05PM SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
02:09:07PM WHAT IS THE ZONING TODAY AS THE PROPERTY SITS TODAY?
02:09:09PM IT REMAINS --
02:09:11PM >>ERIC COTTON: THIS REMAINS -- AGAIN, THIS IS CI, COMMERCIAL
02:09:14PM INTENSIVE.
02:09:15PM THIS PORTION THAT MY HAND ON REMAINS RM-24.
02:09:20PM RM-24 DOES NOT ALLOW FOR ALCOHOL SALES AND CONSUMPTION.
02:09:24PM NOT ALLOWED.
02:09:25PM A SPECIAL USE.
02:09:27PM COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
02:09:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE ALCOHOL WAS ONLY ALLOWED TO BE THIS
02:09:34PM SOLD AND SERVED WITHIN THE GRAY SHADED AREA?
02:09:39PM >>ERIC COTTON: YES, SIR.
02:09:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOT IN THE PARKING LOT OR PATIO, BUT THE
02:09:44PM BUILDING.
02:09:44PM >>ERIC COTTON: AND THEY HAVE AN OUTDOOR AREA APPROVED.
02:09:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO BEYOND THAT -- ANY QUESTIONS?
02:09:51PM YES, MA'AM
02:09:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A QUESTION.
02:09:53PM WHEN THEY CAME FOR THEIR ALCOHOL PERMITTING.
02:09:56PM WERE THEY AWARE OF THIS?
02:09:58PM IN THE TESTIMONY DID THEY SAY YES, WE ARE AWARE.
02:10:02PM I WASN'T HERE FOR THAT.
02:10:04PM DURING THAT TESTIMONY WAS IT BROUGHT UP THAT IT WAS RM-24.
02:10:10PM I KNOW IT IS ON THE SITE PLAN.
02:10:11PM >>ERIC COTTON: I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE AWARE OF IT OR NOT.
02:10:14PM I CAN'T SPEAK OF THE APPLICANT OR REPRESENTATIVE BUT CLEARLY
02:10:18PM SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN AND THEY ACKNOWLEDGE IT BY SAYING NO
02:10:20PM ALCOHOL SALES ALLOWED.
02:10:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, IT IS ON THERE.
02:10:26PM THANK YOU.
02:10:27PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
02:10:29PM DEPARTMENT.
02:10:29PM JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED THE LEGAL
02:10:32PM DESCRIPTION THAT WILL LIMIT WHERE ALCOHOL BEVERAGES WILL BE
02:10:35PM SOLD AND PREPARE AND SUBMIT THE SITE PLAN, WHICH IS
02:10:37PM CERTIFIED AFTER COUNCIL APPROVES THE ORDINANCE AND THE SITE
02:10:41PM PLAN.
02:10:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO THEY, THEN, CREATED THIS SITE PLAN.
02:10:45PM THE CITY DID NOT?
02:10:47PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: CORRECT.
02:10:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
02:10:50PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: YOU ARE WELCOME.
02:10:51PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: MISS VELEZ, YOU ARE SAYING WHERE THAT
02:10:55PM LINE IS DRAWN AND NOT PERMITTED TO SERVE ALCOHOL, THEY
02:10:58PM ACTUALLY WERE SERVING ALCOHOL IN THAT AREA.
02:11:00PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:Y WITH WE WILL GET TO THAT, YES,
02:11:02PM MA'AM.
02:11:02PM THAT IS WHAT THE NOTICE AND THE EVIDENCE, WE BELIEVE, WILL
02:11:06PM SUPPORT THAT.
02:11:07PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
02:11:08PM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. COTTON, I TRY TO INTENTIONALLY NOT TO
02:11:11PM REMEMBER CASES AFTER WE DO THEM BECAUSE WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED
02:11:14PM TO TALK ABOUT THEM.
02:11:15PM BUT CAN YOU TELL US DID THEY ORIGINALLY APPLY FOR ALCOHOL
02:11:19PM ACROSS THE WHOLE PROPERTY AND WE RESTRICT IT TO ONE PART OR
02:11:22PM ONLY APPLY -- DID THEIR ORIGINAL APPLICATION ONLY APPLY TO
02:11:26PM --
02:11:26PM >>ERIC COTTON: ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
02:11:28PM I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
02:11:30PM I DON'T HAVE IS THE ORIGINAL SUBMITTAL HERE BUT ALL I HAVE
02:11:34PM IS WHAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
02:11:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
02:11:36PM GO AHEAD.
02:11:37PM >>ERIC COTTON: THANK YOU.
02:11:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT.
02:11:45PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I THINK MR. BENTLEY HAS SOME
02:11:48PM QUESTIONS AND I WILL BE NOTE THAT I WILL BE RECALLING MR
02:11:51PM COTTON.
02:11:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, MR. BENTLEY, SPEAK CLOSER TO
02:11:55PM THE MICROPHONE OR SPEAK LOUDER.
02:11:57PM >> WELL, I THINK WE CAN WRAP UP THIS NOTICE ISSUE I RAISED A
02:12:01PM COUPLE OF MINUTES AGO.
02:12:02PM ERIC, I HAVE AN E-MAIL HERE -- I WILL SHOW YOU STATED
02:12:10PM 5/7/23.
02:12:10PM READ THE HIGHLIGHTED AN AIR I CAN'T FOR COUNCIL.
02:12:14PM >>ERIC COTTON: PREVIOUSLY SENT LETTER TO BUSINESS OF A TRUE
02:12:17PM NOTICE OF INTENT TO IT THE -- NOTICE OF INTENT TO TAKE
02:12:21PM ACTION.
02:12:21PM >> SO THE CITY TODAY IS ALLEGING THAT OUR CLIENT SOLD
02:12:25PM OUTSIDE THE WET ZONE AREA, CORRECT?
02:12:28PM >>ERIC COTTON: CORRECT.
02:12:30PM >> SUGGESTING IN THE E-MAIL AND SJV AND THAT IS SUSAN
02:12:35PM JOHNSON-VELEZ.
02:12:35PM THAT PREVIOUSLY SENT WARNING LETTERS BEFORE WE SEND A NOTICE
02:12:39PM OF INTENT.
02:12:40PM >>ERIC COTTON: THAT IS WHAT THAT E-MAIL SAID.
02:12:42PM >> DO YOU KNOW WHY OUR CLIENT NEVER RECEIVED A NOTICE?
02:12:45PM EXCUSE ME, A NOTICE?
02:12:47PM >>ERIC COTTON: NO, SIR, I DON'T KNOW.
02:12:49PM >> UNUSUAL THAT OUR CLIENT DIDN'T RECEIVE A NOTICE?
02:12:51PM >>ERIC COTTON: I ONLY HAVE BEEN DOING ALCOHOL ENFORCEMENT
02:12:56PM FOR TWO, TWO AND A HALF YEARS AND WE HAVE NOT SENT OUT
02:13:00PM NOTICES TO PEOPLE IN THE LAST TWO AND A HALF TO THREE YEARS
02:13:04PM SAYING YOU ARE SELLING OUTSIDE YOUR WET AREA.
02:13:07PM IT IS ON THE SITE PLAN.
02:13:08PM >> BUT IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS CONCERNING
02:13:11PM SUSPENSIONS, GENERALLY IT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING BASED ON
02:13:14PM EXPERIENCE THAT THE NOTICE IS SENT OUT BEFORE NOTICE OF
02:13:17PM INTENT?
02:13:18PM >>ERIC COTTON: I CAN'T SAYS IT OR IT ISN'T.
02:13:21PM I DON'T KNOW.
02:13:22PM >> FINAL QUESTION, AN E-MAIL JULY 21, 2023 FROM YOU TO MR.
02:13:26PM JOHN REED.
02:13:27PM WHO IS MR. REED?
02:13:30PM >>ERIC COTTON: JOHN REED IS THE FIRE MARSHAL.
02:13:32PM >> TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND LOOK AT THE HIGHLIGHTED AREA AND
02:13:35PM READ THAT FOR COUNCIL.
02:13:36PM >>ERIC COTTON: THEY ARE GOOD IN QUOTES WITH ZONING.
02:13:39PM >> WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
02:13:41PM >>ERIC COTTON: I WILL HAVE TO READ THE ENTIRE E-MAIL.
02:13:44PM >> GO AHEAD.
02:13:45PM >>ERIC COTTON: I WILL READ IT FOR THE RECORD.
02:13:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF YOU CAN SHOW IT ON THE OVERHEAD SO I
02:13:50PM CAN SEE IT.
02:13:52PM >>ERIC COTTON: THEN I WILL READ IT FROM UP HERE.
02:13:55PM MARSHAL, GOOD AFTERNOON.
02:13:57PM MEETING WITH CONSTRUCTION AND LEGAL OF THE SITE PLAN
02:14:02PM CATHEDRAL.
02:14:02PM CAN YOU UPDATE ME ON THE FIRE ISSUE.
02:14:05PM THEY PULLED NO PERMITS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION.
02:14:08PM THEY ARE, QUOTE, GOOD WITH ZONING AS COUNCIL APPROVED THE
02:14:11PM ALCOHOL BEVERAGE.
02:14:12PM REFER TO THE GOOD WITH ZONING SEDGE ALCOHOL.
02:14:19PM >> THEY ARE NOT GOOD WITH ZONING BECAUSE OF THESE TWO
02:14:21PM ALLEGED VIOLATIONS.
02:14:23PM >>ERIC COTTON: THEY ARE NOT GOOD WITH SELLING OUTSIDE OF
02:14:25PM THEIR WET AREA, THAT'S CORRECT.
02:14:26PM >> BASE AND WHAT INFORMATION.
02:14:28PM HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY ARE SELLING OUTSIDE THE WET ZONE AREA.
02:14:31PM >>ERIC COTTON: THE ALLEGED -- ALLEGEMENT -- IF THAT IS THE
02:14:36PM RIGHT WORD --
02:14:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALLEGATION.
02:14:38PM >>ERIC COTTON: IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING BASED ON EVIDENCE WE
02:14:42PM HAVE RECEIVED THAT THEY ARE NOT -- THAT THEY WERE SELLING
02:14:45PM OUTSIDE THE AREA THAT WITH A WAS APPROVED, THE WET AREA.
02:14:48PM >> YOU DRAFTED THE NOTICE OF INTENT, CORRECT?
02:14:51PM >>ERIC COTTON: ALONG WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, YES.
02:14:53PM >> BUT YOU SIGNED IT, CORRECT?
02:14:55PM >>ERIC COTTON: YES, SIR.
02:14:56PM >> OKAY.
02:14:57PM AND IN THE NOTICE OF INTENT, YOU INDICATE BASED ON A PRIVATE
02:15:03PM INVESTIGATOR ON TWO DIFFERENT DATES NOVEMBER 11 AND 18, THAT
02:15:07PM HE SENT TWO REPORTS TO YOU.
02:15:10PM AND BASED ON THE PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR'S REPORTS, YOU SENT
02:15:14PM OUT THE NOTICE OF INTENT --
02:15:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK: STAND CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE.
02:15:19PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: IS THIS HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO GO BACK AND
02:15:21PM FORTH.
02:15:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE ARE GETTING INTO THE DETAILS OF THE
02:15:23PM CASE.
02:15:24PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAID.
02:15:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY SUGGESTION -- MY SUGGESTION IS ON THE --
02:15:30PM WHY DON'T YOU HEAR THE REST -- MORE DIRECT EXAMINATION ON
02:15:33PM THE ISSUE.
02:15:34PM >> I CAN CALL ERIC IN MY CASE.
02:15:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU COULD.
02:15:38PM WHY DON'T YOU THEN.
02:15:39PM >> OKAY.
02:15:39PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
02:15:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM, ANYTHING FURTHER?
02:15:44PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: YES, PLENTY FURTHER.
02:15:46PM THANK YOU, SIR.
02:15:47PM I DO HAVE -- AND I AM HAPPY TO PROVIDE COPIES OF E-MAIL.
02:15:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
02:15:54PM YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
02:15:57PM COPIES OF THE E-MAIL TO COUNCIL JUST TO BRIEFLY RESPOND AND
02:16:01PM I AM HAPPY TO GIVE -- TO GIVE COPIES OF THESE TO MR. BENTLEY
02:16:07PM AS WELL, BUT AS -- AS LATE AS WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 25 OF 2023,
02:16:11PM I PERSONALLY SENT AN E-MAIL OR HAD A SERIES OF E-MAIL
02:16:16PM CONVERSATIONS -- ACTUALLY IT WAS BETWEEN MONDAY, OCTOBER 23,
02:16:20PM 2023 AND WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 25, 2023, WITH JASON SAMPSON,
02:16:25PM WHO HAD WRITTEN A LETTER TO CITY ATTORNEY ANDREA ZELMAN, AS
02:16:31PM WELL AS THE POLICE CHIEF LEE BERCAW REGARDING CONCERNS HE
02:16:37PM WAS MADE AWARE OF WITH THE CITY -- THE CITY'S CONCERNS WITH
02:16:41PM SELLING OUTSIDE OF THEIR APPROVED ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE PERMIT
02:16:46PM AREA.
02:16:47PM AND SO -- AGAIN, I HAVE COPIES OF THOSE.
02:16:49PM AND WE -- WE HAD A SERIES OF E-MAILS BACK AND FORTH, BUT
02:16:54PM CERTAINLY AS OF OCTOBER 23 OR 25 AND IN TIME FRAME, THERE
02:17:02PM WAS AND CAN OCCASION FROM THE CITY AS LATE AS THAT DATE THAT
02:17:08PM THERE WAS AN ISSUE AND WE THOUGHT THERE WAS AN ISSUE.
02:17:10PM YOU CAN SEE IN THE FINAL E-MAIL THAT I SENT TO MR. SAMPSON
02:17:13PM THAT WE SAID THE CITY DISAGREES WITH YOUR INTERPRETATION AND
02:17:20PM THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SERVE.
02:17:22PM I MADE IT PLAIN IN MY E-MAILS, THE ISSUE NOT WITH A CATERING
02:17:27PM LICENSE OR STATE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LICENSE, BUT RATHER ON
02:17:31PM THE LIMITATIONS THAT THE AB PERMIT ISSUED AND SALE AND
02:17:36PM SERVICE OUTSIDE OF THEIR APPROVED AREA.
02:17:38PM I INVITED HIM TO CALL ME AND CONTACT MY ASSISTANT TO
02:17:43PM SCHEDULE A MEETING AND I RECEIVED NO COMMUNICATION FROM MR.
02:17:48PM SAMPSON AFTER THAT DATE.
02:17:49PM IT WAS A FULL -- MORE THAN A MONTH AFTER THIS COMMUNICATION
02:17:55PM THAT WE SENT THE NOTICE OF INTENT.
02:17:57PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ, IS THAT E-MAIL PART OF
02:18:03PM THE RECORD?
02:18:04PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT IT NOW.
02:18:05PM I DON'T KNOW IF MR. BENTLEY HAS --
02:18:09PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DO YOU HAVE A COPY FOR MR. BENTLEY?
02:18:12PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I CAN GET A COPY.
02:18:14PM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU MENTIONED A CATERING LICENSE.
02:18:17PM DO THEY HAVE A SEPARATE LICENSE FOR THE OUTDOOR AREA, WHAT
02:18:20PM CAN THE CATERING LICENSE.
02:18:22PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I AM AWARE THAT THEY MAY HAVE A
02:18:24PM CATERING LICENSE BUT THEY MAY HAVE A 4-COP LICENSE.
02:18:29PM UNDER THE STATE BEVERAGE LAW, IF YOU HAVE A CATERING LICENSE
02:18:32PM BUT YOU ALSO HAVE ANOTHER LICENSE THAT IS ATTACHED TO THE
02:18:36PM LOCATION, WHICH THEY DO, THEY HAVE THE 4-COP, THAT YOU HAVE
02:18:40PM TO OPERATE THE LICENSE CONSISTENT WITH ANY LIMITATIONS THAT
02:18:44PM ARE PLACED ON THE SERVICE AND SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
02:18:48PM SO WHAT -- WHAT I WAS TOLD BY MR. SAMPSON IN THAT E-MAIL
02:18:52PM EXCHANGE THAT COUNCIL CAN REVIEW.
02:18:54PM WE HAVE THIS CATERING LICENSE, WE CAN SERVE WILLY-NILLY
02:18:58PM WHEREVER WE WANT WITHOUT RESTRICTION AND THAT IS NOT THE
02:19:00PM CASE UNDER STATE LAW.
02:19:01PM THAT IS NOT THE CASE.
02:19:02PM >>BILL CARLSON: IF THE -- IF THE ALCOHOL LICENSE ONLY
02:19:05PM APPLIED TO THE BUILDING THAT IS ALLOWED TO HAVE A ALCOHOL
02:19:09PM LICENSE -- WE WILL HEAR THEIR ARGUE 789 IN A MINUTE, BUT
02:19:13PM WOULD HAVE BEEN ALLOWED FOR THE OTHER AREA FOR THE CATERING
02:19:18PM LICENSE TO APPLY?
02:19:20PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: IT COULD.
02:19:21PM FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU GET A TEMPORARY EVENT PERMIT TO EXTEND
02:19:25PM THE LOCATION WHERE YOU CAN SELL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
02:19:28PM BUT IF YOU HAVE A SITE PLAN THAT IS TIED TO A LOCATION AND
02:19:31PM THERE ARE LIMITATIONS ON IT.
02:19:33PM YOU CAN GET, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR A FUNDRAISER OR SPECIAL EVENT,
02:19:39PM YOU CAN GET A PERMIT THAT EXTENDS INTO AREAS THAT YOU
02:19:43PM COULDN'T SERVE OTHER THAN THE MAIN LICENSE.
02:19:44PM SHORT OF DOING THAT, YOU ARE RESTRICTED BY THE ALCOHOLIC
02:19:53PM BEVERAGE PERMIT.
02:19:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:19:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK: DID THEY EVER APPLY FOR AN EVENT?
02:19:59PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: LET ME ASK MR. COTTON.
02:20:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: LET US ASK MR. COTTON IF HE HAS ANY
02:20:04PM AWARENESS.
02:20:05PM >>ERIC COTTON: ERIC COTTON, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
02:20:09PM OUR RECORDS WOULD BE IN THE ACELA SYSTEM.
02:20:12PM AND FOR AN EVENT PERMIT, THERE ARE NO -- NO TEMPORARY
02:20:17PM SPECIAL EVENT OR ALCOHOLIC SPECIAL EVENT.
02:20:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU EXPLAIN 4-COP.
02:20:24PM CAN YOU JUST DEFINE THAT FOR US?
02:20:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WILL THAT BE MR. COTTON.
02:20:29PM >>ERIC COTTON: WHAT COUNCIL APPROVED SMALL VENUE, BEER,
02:20:32PM WINE AND LIQUOR FOR CONSUMPTION ON PREMISE.
02:20:34PM THE 4-COP STATE LICENSE IS WHAT COUNCIL APPROVED BECAUSE IT
02:20:38PM DOES ALLOW BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR, ON-PREMISE CONSUMPTION.
02:20:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
02:20:44PM I WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNEW AND TO REMIND ME.
02:20:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
02:20:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES, SO FOR CLARIFICATION, WE HAVE ZONING.
02:20:52PM WE HAVE A DIVIDED PROPERTY.
02:20:53PM WE HAVE RM-24.
02:20:55PM AND THEN WE HAVE THE CI.
02:20:58PM AND THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL APPROVED THE COP IN THAT AREA
02:21:05PM DEFINED THE BUILDING AND THE OUTSIDE PATIO.
02:21:07PM NOW WE ADD THE COMPLEXITY OF THIS CATERING LICENSE.
02:21:10PM THE COP COVERED THE BUILDING AND THE PATIO.
02:21:16PM COULD THEY WITH JUST A CATERING LICENSE ON THE RM-24 SELL
02:21:25PM LIQUOR ON THE RM-24 ONLY.
02:21:27PM NOT JUST IN THE DIVIDED PROPERTY.
02:21:30PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: IF THERE WAS A TEMPORARY PERMIT.
02:21:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO YOU HAD TO HAVE A TEMPORARY PERMIT EVEN
02:21:36PM ON THE R M-24 PROPERTY IF YOU HAD A CATERING LICENSE?
02:21:40PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY -- MY
02:21:43PM UNDERSTANDING THE ONLY WAY TO SERVE ALCOHOL BECAUSE
02:21:45PM ACCORDING THE SITE PLAN THAT CITY COUNCIL APPROVED NO
02:21:49PM ALCOHOL SALES AND CONSUMPTION IN THIS AREA.
02:21:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BECAUSE IT IS IN THE SITE PLAN.
02:21:54PM IF IT DIDN'T STATE THAT ON THE SITE PLAN AND RM-24 AND A
02:21:57PM CATERING LICENSE, COULD YOU THEN SELL ALCOHOL IN THAT AREA?
02:22:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS A QUESTION.
02:22:04PM GO AHEAD -- COUNCIL, JUST KNOW IF YOU ASK THESE QUESTIONS
02:22:10PM AND SOMEBODY IN THE ROOM THAT IS A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT
02:22:15PM THAT IS AS EXPERT, THAT BE HELPFUL.
02:22:19PM >>ERIC COTTON: ERIC COTTON, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
02:22:22PM I AM NOT AN EXPERT ON THE STATE REQUIREMENTS WITH ALCOHOL.
02:22:26PM BUT MY UNDERSTANDING ANY TYPE OF CONSIDERATION GIVEN, YOU
02:22:30PM PAY FOR A TICKET TO GET INTO AN EVENT OR PAY TO SOMEONE TO
02:22:35PM DRINK, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A TEMPORARY ALCOHOL PERMIT
02:22:38PM FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
02:22:39PM FOR THE INTERNAL PART OF THE CITY, WE REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE A
02:22:44PM ALCOHOL PERMIT INSTEAD WE SIGN UP ON THE APPLICATION.
02:22:46PM CATERING LICENSE UNLESS A PRIVATE PARTY FOR A WEDDING.
02:22:50PM MY DAUGHTER GETS MARRIED AND A CATERER POURING ALCOHOL, YOU
02:22:57PM AS AN INVITEE IS NOT FORKING OVER $10 FOR A PEER OR
02:23:02PM SOMETHING, YOU DON'T NEED AN ABT.
02:23:05PM IF YOU ARE PAYING FOR ANYTHING YOU NEED THE ALCOHOL PERMIT.
02:23:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF YOU HAVE A CATERING LICENSE, ARE YOU
02:23:14PM LIMITED HOW MANY EVENTS.
02:23:15PM OR GO 365 DAY AS YEAR OR LIMITED TO 10, 100.
02:23:21PM >>ERIC COTTON: BY OUR CODE, TEMPORARY ALCOHOL PERMITS ARE
02:23:24PM LIMITED TO THREE A YEAR.
02:23:25PM THE STATE LIMITS NONPROFIT TO TEN.
02:23:28PM WE LIMIT NONPROFIT TO THREE.
02:23:31PM OUR CODE HAS NEVER BEEN ADJUSTED TO REFLECT WHAT THE STATE
02:23:34PM ALLOWS.
02:23:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT, YOUR MICROPHONE.
02:23:39PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THIS IS NOT A NONPROFIT AND CANNOT APPLY
02:23:42PM TO THIS.
02:23:43PM >>ERIC COTTON: NO, MA'AM, BUT THEY CAN HOOK UP TO A
02:23:47PM NONPROFIT FOR EVENT.
02:23:49PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU ARE GIVING A FOR INSTANCE IF THEY
02:23:50PM COULD HAVE DONE SO, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO USE THAT
02:23:53PM AREA IF THEY GOT SPECIAL PERMISSION.
02:23:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:23:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING -- OR IF YOU HAVE A --
02:24:03PM A -- A CATERING PERMIT, IS THERE A PORTION OF ALCOHOL VERSUS
02:24:12PM FOOD THAT YOU ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE, TO PROVIDE?
02:24:16PM >>ERIC COTTON: COULD THE COULD THE, LAND DEVELOPMENT
02:24:19PM COORDINATION.
02:24:19PM I TONIGHT HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
02:24:21PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
02:24:24PM DEPARTMENT.
02:24:24PM I DO HAVE -- FLORIDA STATUTE SECTION 561.20.
02:24:28PM IT IS LIMITATION UPON NUMBER OF LICENSES ISSUED.
02:24:31PM SO THIS THE STATUTE THAT GOVERNS THE QUOTA LICENSES THAT WE
02:24:36PM CALL THEM.
02:24:37PM AND IT EXCLUDES OR IT DOESN'T APPLY TO CATERER LICENSES
02:24:47PM WHERE THE CATERER DERIVES 51% OF GROSS FOOD AND BEVERAGES OF
02:24:51PM SALE OF FOOD AND NONALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES FOR EACH CATERED
02:24:55PM EVENT.
02:24:56PM THAT IS THE LIMITATION.
02:24:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THEY WOULD HAVE TO SELL 51% FOOD IN ORDER TO
02:25:02PM BE IN COMPLIANCE?
02:25:07PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: CORRECT.
02:25:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IF THAT IS THE CASE UNDER THIS CATERING
02:25:10PM LICENSE, WHO CHECKS THAT?
02:25:12PM HOW DOES THE CITY OR THE STATE MAKE SURE THAT 51% OF A
02:25:18PM CATERER'S REVENUE COMES FROM FOOD?
02:25:24PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THAT -- THAT WOULD BE THE STATE.
02:25:27PM THAT WOULD BE THE STATE ABT OFFICE TO ENSURE -- I CAN GLANCE
02:25:34PM THROUGH THE STATUTE BUT PROBABLY RECORDING DOCUMENTS.
02:25:38PM FOR EXAMPLE, THE TYPE OF AB PERMITS THAT COUNCIL APPROVES
02:25:43PM THAT REQUIRES 51% FOOD SALES.
02:25:45PM THE OWNER OF A ESTABLISHMENT THAT HALLS THAT TYPE OF LICENSE
02:25:49PM IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT REPORTS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS THAT SHOWS
02:25:54PM THE GROSS RIGHT AND SHOW THE PERCENTAGES AND THAT THEY ARE
02:25:57PM MEETING THOSE PERCENTAGES.
02:25:58PM JOHNSON-VELEZ.
02:26:01PM I AM SORRY, SINCE I HAVE THE STATUTE OUT, I WANT TO READ A
02:26:05PM PARAGRAPH -- A SECTION I HIGHLIGHTED THAT SAYS IT IS A
02:26:08PM LICENSEE UNDER THIS SUBPARAGRAPH ALSO POSSESSES ANY OTHER
02:26:12PM LICENSE UNDER THE BEVERAGE LAWS -- SO IF YOU HAVE A CATERING
02:26:15PM LICENSE AND HAVE A 4-COP LICENSE, THE LICENSE ISSUED UNDER
02:26:19PM THIS SUBPARAGRAPH, IN OTHER WORDS, THE CATERING LICENSE WILL
02:26:24PM NOT AUTHORIZE TO CONDUCT ACTIVITIES ON THE PREMISE FOR THE
02:26:27PM OTHER LICENSE AND LICENSES APPLY THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE
02:26:31PM PROHIBITED BY THE TERMS OF THAT LICENSE.
02:26:33PM SO, IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU ARE -- AND ALSO THIS SECTION DOES
02:26:38PM NOT PERMIT THE LICENSEE TO CONDUCT ACTIVITIES THAT ARE
02:26:42PM OTHERWISE PROHIBITED BY THE BEVERAGE LAW AND LOCAL LAW.
02:26:45PM IF LOCAL LAW PROHIBITS SALES AND CONSUMPTION IN A CERTAIN
02:26:48PM AREA, THEN YOU ARE ALSO LIMITED WITH THAT WITH OUR CATERING
02:26:55PM LICENSE.
02:26:55PM WE ARE GETTING A LITTLE AHEAD OF OURSELVES AND WE HAVEN'T
02:26:58PM TALKED OF THE STATE LICENSE.
02:26:59PM THE ESTABLISHMENT ALSO HAS A STATE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE
02:27:03PM LICENSE ISSUED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF BUSINESS AND
02:27:06PM PROFESSIONAL REGULATION LICENSE NUMBER BEV 88097.
02:27:13PM ACCORDING DPR'S WEBSITE, IT WAS ORIGINALLY ISSUED ON AUGUST
02:27:17PM 17, 2022 AND EXPIRES SEPTEMBER 30, 2024.
02:27:24PM SO, AGAIN, THESE PROCEEDINGS WERE BEING BROUGHT IN THE
02:27:28PM NOTICE OF INTENT WAS ISSUED PURSUANT TO LAND DEVELOPMENT
02:27:31PM CODE 27-318, THAT GOVERNS ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE PERMIT
02:27:36PM SUSPENSIONS AND AUTHORIZES THE REVOCATION OR SUSPENSION OF
02:27:40PM ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES FOR CAUSE.
02:27:41PM THAT CODE SECTION, I PROVIDED A COPY OF IT TO YOU IN YOUR
02:27:45PM BINDERS AT SECTION A, TAB 1.
02:27:50PM TURN TO PAGE THREE OF FIVE UNDER 27-318-C, IN ORDER FOR CITY
02:27:56PM COUNCIL TO SUSPEND OR VERY FORECAST A ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE
02:28:00PM LICENSE IT MUST DETERMINE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER, HOLDER OF
02:28:02PM THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LICENSE, OPERATOR OF THE
02:28:05PM ESTABLISHMENT OR ANY AGENT OR EMPLOYEE THEREOF HAVE BEEN
02:28:09PM FOUND TO HAVE VIOLATED OR CONVICTED OF ANY ONE OR MORE OF 14
02:28:13PM QUALIFYING CRITERIA LISTED IN SUBSECTIONS A THROUGH N.
02:28:19PM AND WE HAVE DISCUSSED THE TWO BASES THAT THE CITY INCLUDED
02:28:25PM IN ITS NOTICE OF INTENT WERE SUB CONNECTION D AND N.
02:28:29PM AND THE FOCUS OF TODAY'S HEARING.
02:28:31PM AND AGAIN, D IS OPERATION OF THE ESTABLISHMENT IN A MANNER
02:28:34PM THAT REPEATEDLY ON AN ONGOING BASIS WILL HAVE NEGATIVE
02:28:39PM EFFECTS ON THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY.
02:28:41PM INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO VIOLATIONS OF CITY CODE.
02:28:44PM AGAIN, DOESN'T REQUIRE VIOLATION OF A CITY CODE, ORDINANCE
02:28:49PM AND STATE LAW.
02:28:49PM THAT IS NOT LISTED AS A REQUIREMENT UNDER THIS SECTION D.
02:28:54PM THE SECOND BASIS IS SECTION N OR ITEM NUMBER N.
02:28:58PM IF THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE HOLDER OF THE ALCOHOLIC
02:29:05PM BEVERAGE LICENSE OR ESTABLISHMENT OR ANY AGENT OR EMPLOYEE
02:29:09PM THEREFORE HAVE VIOLATED ANY SECTION OF CHAPTER 14 OR CHAPTER
02:29:13PM 27, ANY CONDITION, LIMITATION OR RESTRICTION IMPOSED BY CITY
02:29:18PM COUNCIL OR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AT THE TIME OF APPROVAL
02:29:21PM AND ANY OTHER SECTION OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE RELATING TO
02:29:25PM ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
02:29:26PM AGAIN, THIS AFTERNOON, WE WILL PROVIDE EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY
02:29:29PM THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER AS WELL AS THE OPERATOR OF THE
02:29:31PM ESTABLISHMENT HAVE VIOLATED BOTH SUBSECTIONS D AND N.
02:29:36PM BEFORE SUSPENDING AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE PERMIT, CITY COUNCIL
02:29:40PM MUST HOLD A NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING.
02:29:42PM THAT IS TODAY'S HEARING.
02:29:43PM CODE SECTION 27-318-D, PROVIDES THESE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS
02:29:50PM FOR THE HEARING.
02:29:50PM REQUIRES THAT NOTICE OF AN AB LICENSE SUSPENSION HEARING BE
02:29:55PM SENT VIA CERTIFIED MAIL TO BOTH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE
02:29:58PM BUSINESS OWNER AT LEAST 30 DAYS PRIOR TO THE HEARING.
02:30:01PM AND THE CITY COMPLIED WITH THE REQUIREMENT BY SENDING NOTICE
02:30:06PM TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE HOLDER OF THE YBOR CITY
02:30:13PM CATHEDRAL AND THE ESTABLISHMENT LOCATION IT SEVEN-DAY
02:30:17PM FORECAST DEVELOP 20, 36 DAYS PRIOR TO TODAY'S DATE.
02:30:21PM AND THAT NOTICE OF THIS HEARING CAN BE FOUND IN YOUR BINDERS
02:30:25PM OF SECTION A, TAB 3.
02:30:27PM SO I WOULD LIKE TO TURN FIRST TO SUBSECTIONS N.
02:30:35PM AND PRESENT SOME TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE TO COUNCIL REGARDING
02:30:39PM THE VIOLATION OF THE CONDITION, LIMITATION OR RESTRICTION
02:30:42PM IMPOSED BY CITY COUNCIL AT THE TIME OF APPROVAL.
02:30:44PM AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK BRENT BARTLETT TO COME FORWARD,
02:30:50PM PLEASE.
02:30:50PM >>BILL CARLSON: MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ.
02:30:56PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: YES.
02:30:58PM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN ASK YOU A QUICK CLARIFYING QUESTION.
02:31:02PM YBOR CITY CATHEDRAL GRAND CATHEDRAL CIGARS.
02:31:07PM YOU MENTIONED TWO COMPANIES.
02:31:09PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THAT IS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
02:31:11PM >>BILL CARLSON: THIS VIOLATION IS ONLY FOR THE BUSINESS, NOT
02:31:13PM THE PROPERTY OR IS IT THE OTHER WAY AROUND?
02:31:16PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: WELL, WE NOTIFY THE PROPERTY OWNER
02:31:18PM BECAUSE THE ALCOHOL PERMIT IS ATTACHED TO THE LAND AND THEY
02:31:23PM HAVE AN INTEREST IN THIS AS WELL.
02:31:25PM >>BILL CARLSON: NOTICED TO BOTH.
02:31:27PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THAT'S CORRECT.
02:31:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
02:31:29PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
02:31:31PM >> MY NAME IS BRETT BARTLETT.
02:31:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HAVE YOU BEEN SWORN IN?
02:31:37PM >> I HAVE.
02:31:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHO -- WHAT IS YOUR POSITION?
02:31:40PM WHO ARE YOU?
02:31:41PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I WILL BRING THAT UP.
02:31:43PM THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
02:31:44PM MR. BARTLETT, WHAT IS YOUR CURRENT OCCUPATION.
02:31:48PM >> I AM A PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR.
02:31:50PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: WHOM ARE YOU EMPLOYED.
02:31:54PM >>X UMBER DEFENSE SOLUTIONS.
02:31:57PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: PRIOR TO THAT, WERE YOU EMPLOYED
02:31:59PM PREVIOUSLY?
02:32:00PM >> I RETIRED TEN YEARS AGO FROM THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
02:32:03PM I RETIRED AS THE RANK OF CAPTAIN.
02:32:06PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: HOW LONG WERE YOU EMPLOYED WITH THE
02:32:09PM TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
02:32:10PM >> 32 YEARS.
02:32:11PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: HOW DID YOU GET INVOLVED WITH THAT
02:32:13PM MATTER.
02:32:13PM >> I GOT A CALL FROM YOUR OFFICE AND THEY WERE CONCERNED OF
02:32:16PM THIS LOCATION AND WE HAD DISCUSSIONS AND I CONDUCTED AN
02:32:18PM INVESTIGATION.
02:32:18PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: OKAY.
02:32:20PM WHAT WAS THE TWO DATES OF WHICH YOU CONDUCTED THE
02:32:23PM INVESTIGATION.
02:32:23PM >> FIRST TATE NOVEMBER 11, 2023.
02:32:26PM AND SECOND DATE NOVEMBER 18, 2023.
02:32:29PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I JUST PLACED ON THE ELMO HERE A
02:32:44PM DIAGRAM OF THE SITE PLAN FOR GRAND CATHEDRAL CIGARS.
02:32:50PM HAVE YOU REVIEWED THIS SITE PLAN PREVIOUSLY?
02:32:53PM >> YES, WE HAVE.
02:32:54PM WE HAD DISCUSSIONS ON THE ZOOM CALL SEVERAL MONTHS AGO AND
02:32:57PM YOU SHOWED IT TO ME.
02:32:58PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: YOU RECOGNIZE THIS AS THE LOCATION.
02:33:01PM >> YES, MA'AM.
02:33:02PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: STARTING NOVEMBER 11, 2023, CAN YOU
02:33:04PM PLEASE JIBE WHAT YOUR ACTIVITIES WERE ON THAT DATE.
02:33:06PM >> YES, MA'AM.
02:33:07PM ON THAT PARTICULAR DATE, I PARKED IN A REMOTE PARKING LOT.
02:33:10PM AND I WALKED THROUGH THE PARKING LOT FOR THE -- FOR THE
02:33:15PM ESTABLISHMENT.
02:33:16PM AND I WENT AND SAT ON THE PATIO, WHICH IS MARKED BY THE
02:33:20PM YELLOW COLOR ON THE DIAGRAM.
02:33:23PM I SAT FURTHEST EAST AS I POSSIBLY COULD BY THE FENCE.
02:33:29PM SAT THERE FOR A FEW MINUTES AND NOBODY CAME UP TO ME.
02:33:32PM I WENT UP AFTER FIVE MINUTES, AND I WENT TO -- I WILL CALL
02:33:35PM IT A KIOSK LIKE AN OUTDOOR, BUT COVERED LOCATION THERE.
02:33:39PM WHERE THEY WOULD BE -- THEY WOULD BE SERVING ALCOHOL.
02:33:41PM A LITTLE TIKI BAR-LOOKING KIND OF PLACE.
02:33:46PM IF YOU CAN SEE THAT.
02:33:47PM I PURCHASED A CORONA LIGHT.
02:33:50PM I GOT MY -- PAID MY CASH AND GOT MY RIGHT AND I WENT AND SAT
02:33:54PM DOWN AT THE PATIO.
02:33:56PM AND I WAS SIT IN THIS GENERAL AREA HERE.
02:34:00PM RIGHT ALONG THE FENCE LINE.
02:34:01PM I WANTED TO BE AS FAR AWAY ON THE PROPERTY AS I POSSIBLY
02:34:05PM COULD WITHOUT JUMPING ON TO THE NEXT PROPERTY.
02:34:07PM I WAS RIGHT BY THE FENCE.
02:34:08PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: YOU CAN PARK IN A LITTLE MORE WITH
02:34:14PM THE --
02:34:15PM >> OKAY, SURE.
02:34:15PM A LITTLE WHILE LATER, I WAS SITTING THERE DRINKING THAT
02:34:20PM PARTICULAR BEER AND LOOKED OVER TO THAT LITTLE AREA WHERE I
02:34:23PM PURCHASED IT, AND A YOUNG FEMALE WAS THERE AND SHE LOOKED MY
02:34:27PM WAY AND I RAISED MY GLASS IN ORDER TO GET HER ATTENTION.
02:34:29PM SHE CAME OVER TO ME AND I ORDERED ANOTHER CORONA LIGHT.
02:34:35PM CAME BACK WITH IT.
02:34:36PM DISPENSED IN A GLASS.
02:34:38PM I PAID CASH AND I GOT A RIGHT FOR THAT AS WELL.
02:34:40PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: ARE THE RIGHT -- AND COUNCIL, MR.
02:34:45PM BARTLETT'S TWO REPORTS IN C.
02:34:47PM THE INCIDENT HE IS DESCRIBE IS TAB 1, SECTION C, IF YOU
02:34:54PM WOULD LIKE TO READ ALONG.
02:34:55PM INCLUDED ARE TWO RECEIPTS -- PHOTOGRAPHS OF.
02:35:04PM >> TIME STAMPED WHERE I PURCHASED THE BEER IN THAT BAR AREA
02:35:17PM DISPENSED BY JOEL, A HISPANIC MALE.
02:35:21PM AND A YOUNG WOMAN WITH A SECOND PEER.
02:35:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: BOUGHT IF IN THE AREA ZONED OR NOT ZONED
02:35:40PM FOR ALCOHOL.
02:35:41PM >> YES, SIR.
02:35:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: DID YOU WALK OVER YOUR OWN VOLITION.
02:35:47PM >> I SAT DOWN, MR. MIRANDA TO THE AREA BY THE FENCE.
02:35:50PM NOBODY CAME AROUND.
02:35:51PM IT WAS A PRETTY LIGHT TIME OF THE DAY AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF
02:35:54PM THEY HAVE SEEN ME
02:35:55PM SO I WALKED UP TO THEM TO SAY, HEY, I WOULD LIKE TO BUY A
02:35:58PM BEER.
02:36:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU FOR YOUR 32 YEARS OF SERVICE
02:36:03PM AND THE OTHER WORK YOU DO.
02:36:05PM I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
02:36:07PM THE FIRST -- TRYING TO GET THE MIND SET WHICH IS DIFFICULT
02:36:10PM TO UNDERSTAND IN MY MIND.
02:36:11PM YOU WENT TO PURCHASE THE BEER IN THE CONFINES OF THE ZONING
02:36:14PM DISTRICT THAT WAS ZONED FOR ALCOHOL.
02:36:17PM >> CORRECT.
02:36:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU TOOK YOURSELF TO AN AREA NOT
02:36:21PM KNOWINGLY -- OR MAYBE YOU DID KNOW THAT IT WAS NOT ZONED FOR
02:36:25PM ALCOHOL.
02:36:25PM DID YOU KNOW THAT IT WAS NOT ZONED FOR ALCOHOL.
02:36:28PM >> FOR CONSUMPTION, YES, SIR.
02:36:30PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU DID?
02:36:32PM THE PERSON WHO SOLD YOU THE ALCOHOL WAS BACK IN THE AREA
02:36:34PM ZONED FOR ALCOHOL, CORRECT?
02:36:37PM >> YES, SIR.
02:36:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: DID SHE SINGLE YOU OR YOU SINGLED HER
02:36:41PM THAT YOU WANTED A BEER.
02:36:42PM >> I SINGLED HER.
02:36:43PM SHE IN EYE DIRECTION AND ASKED KNEE WHAT I WANTED AND I SAID
02:36:49PM I WOULD LIKE ANOTHER CORONA LIGHT.
02:36:52PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AND SHE WALKED OVER AND SERVED YOU THE
02:36:56PM ALCOHOL.
02:36:56PM >> YES, SIR.
02:36:57PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: MR. BARTLETT, ANYBODY IDENTIFY TO YOU
02:37:02PM JOEL OR THE YOUNG WOMAN WHO SERVED YOU THE BEER, ANYONE THAT
02:37:05PM I IS A SALES AND ALCOHOL BEVERAGE WAS NOT ALLOWED IN THE
02:37:09PM AREA WHERE YOU WERE SEATED?
02:37:12PM >> NO, MA'AM, THEY DID NOT.
02:37:13PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: ANYBODY REFUSE OR HESITATE TO SERVE
02:37:16PM YOU ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ON THE PAT TEAT YO.
02:37:19PM >> NO.
02:37:20PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: DID YOU FORCE PETER OF THE TWO PEOPLE
02:37:22PM WHO SERVED YOU THAT DAY JOEL OR THE YOUNG LADY TO SELL OR
02:37:25PM SERVE YOU ALCOHOL ON THE PATTY I DON'T HE?
02:37:29PM >> NO, MA'AM.
02:37:30PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: ANY SIGNS IN THE AREA OF THE PATIO OR
02:37:33PM THE ENTRY WAY OF THE PATIO THAT INDICATED ALCOHOL SALES OR
02:37:38PM BEVERAGES WERE PROHIBITED IN THAT AREA.
02:37:40PM >> NO SIGNS OR INDICATIONS.
02:37:42PM FEW OTHER PEOPLE IN THE SAME AREA SITTING A FEW FEET.
02:37:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
02:37:48PM >>BILL CARLSON: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA KIND OF MENTIONED THIS A
02:37:53PM LITTLE WHILE AGO, BUT IS IT -- IS IT COMMON THAT THE CITY
02:37:56PM WOULD HIRE A PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR?
02:37:59PM WHY NOT HIRE A POLICE OFFICER -- UNDERCOVER POLICE OFFICER
02:38:04PM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
02:38:05PM TYPICAL THAT YOU HIRE A P.I.
02:38:08PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THE CITY USE AS PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS
02:38:10PM FOR A NUMBER OF THINGS.
02:38:11PM OUR LITIGATION DEPARTMENT USE PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS AND WE
02:38:15PM USE IT ALL THE TIME.
02:38:16PM IT IS NOT ATYPICAL.
02:38:17PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE LAW ALLOWS IT.
02:38:19PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: YES.
02:38:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
02:38:20PM PROCEED.
02:38:21PM YES, MA'AM.
02:38:21PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: MR. BARTLETT, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO
02:38:27PM TURN TO THE TRIP TO THE LOCATION ON NOVEMBER 18.
02:38:33PM >> NOVEMBER 18, 2023, 6:00 IN THE EVENING, I WENT BACK TO
02:38:36PM THE PROPERTY.
02:38:37PM I WENT RIGHT TO THE PATIO AND SAT VERY CLOSE TO WHERE I HAD
02:38:40PM SAT AT FIRST.
02:38:42PM THE EASTERN EDGE, AS CLOSE AS I CAN GET TO THE EDGE OF THE
02:38:46PM PROPERTY, SOMEWHERE CLOSE TO THE SAME LOCATION AS BEFORE.
02:38:49PM FEW MOMENTS LATER, THE YOUNG MAN WHO I HAD SEEN THE WEEK
02:38:54PM BEFORE THAT SOLD ME THE BEER AT THAT LITTLE KIOSK CAME -- I
02:38:58PM DIDN'T ASK, HE APPROACHED, ASKED ME WHAT I WANTED.
02:39:02PM I SAID I WOULD LIKE A BEER, A CORONA LIGHT.
02:39:06PM HE RETURNED A FEW MOMENTS LATER.
02:39:08PM I ASKED FOR A RECEIPT AND ASKED FOR MY CHANGE BACK AND I
02:39:14PM TIPPED HIM.
02:39:15PM THEN I MOVED SOMEWHAT -- NEXT TO THE PARKING LOT A LONG
02:39:19PM HIGH-TOP TABLE HERE.
02:39:20PM SO I MOVED OVER THERE.
02:39:22PM AND AFTER A LITTLE WHILE, THE SAME YOUNG MAN CAME OVER AND
02:39:25PM SAID WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE?
02:39:26PM I SAID I WOULD LIKE ANOTHER CORONA LIGHT, AND HE WENT BACK
02:39:30PM AND BROUGHT IT TO ME.
02:39:33PM I PAID HIM.
02:39:33PM I AT THIS POINTED HIM AND I HAVE THE RECEIPT.
02:39:36PM ANYTHING IN THAT LOCATION THAT DID WHAT YOU DID, SIT DOWN
02:39:51PM AND ORDER A BEER FROM THAT YOUNG LADY?
02:39:54PM >> YES, MA'AM.
02:39:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: OR THE YOUNG MAN.
02:39:56PM >> I WILL TELL YOU WHAT I DO SEE.
02:39:58PM IN THE SECOND EVENT A LARGE TABLE WITH A SMALL PARTY.
02:40:01PM I SAW THE BARTENDER AND WAIT PERSONS COMING BACK AND FORTH.
02:40:04PM NOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS IN THOSE GLASSES BUT LOOKED LIKE
02:40:08PM WINEGLASSES AND SOME OF THE GLASSES HAD AN AMBER-COLORED
02:40:12PM LIQUID.
02:40:13PM I CAN'T ANSWER WHAT WAS IN THERE, BUT I CAN SEE IN MY MIND,
02:40:17PM THEY WERE VESSELS IN WHICH ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ARE TYPICALLY
02:40:20PM SERVED AT A BAR.
02:40:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE RESTAURANT BUSINESS, SOMETIMES YOU
02:40:24PM HAVE A LOT OF CHANGEOVER.
02:40:26PM I AM NOT TRYING TO CHOOSE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
02:40:29PM DO WE KNOW IF THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT SERVED YOU THE FIRST
02:40:33PM TIME OR SECOND TIME, ARE THEY NEW EMPLOYEES.
02:40:36PM I DON'T KNOW.
02:40:36PM I AM ASKING.
02:40:37PM >> I DON'T KNOW.
02:40:38PM MY FIRST -- MY FIRST TRIP, THE YOUNG MAN THAT SERVED ME IN
02:40:41PM THE KIOSK IDENTIFIED ON THE RECEIPT AS JOEL.
02:40:51PM THE SECOND TIME, A YOUNG MAN NAMED JOEL BUT HIS NAME ON THE
02:40:57PM RECEIPT.
02:40:58PM I DON'T NOTICE THE YOUNG WOMAN WHO IDENTIFIED HERSELF AS
02:41:02PM ALYSSA THE FIRST DAY.
02:41:03PM I DIDN'T SEE HER AGAINST.
02:41:04PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ.
02:41:06PM MR. BARTLETT'S REPORT OF THE SECOND VISIT TO GRAND CATHEDRAL
02:41:11PM SECTION C, TAB 2.
02:41:13PM THE TWO RECEIPTS HE REFERRED TO -- I WILL ASK HIM ARE THE
02:41:15PM TWO RECEIPTS THAT YOU JUST REFERRED TO, ARE THOSE ACCURATE
02:41:19PM COPIES OF THOSE RECEIPTS?
02:41:22PM >> YES, MA'AM, DATE NOVEMBER 2023.
02:41:24PM AND ON PAGE 3, YOU WILL SEE THOSE TWO RECEIPTS.
02:41:27PM DATE STAMPED LIKE RECEIPTS ARE AND THEY BOTH -- UNDER THE
02:41:33PM LINE CASHIER WAS JOEL THE SAME PERSON THAT DISPENSED IT TO
02:41:39PM ME THE WEEK BEFORE.
02:41:40PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: AGAIN ON NOVEMBER 18, 2023, DID JOEL
02:41:43PM OR ANYONE ELSE INDICATE TO YOU THAT SALES AND CONSUMPTION OF
02:41:47PM ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES WERE NOT ALLOWED ON THE PATIO?
02:41:51PM >> NO, MA'AM.
02:41:52PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: DID JOEL REFUSE OR SELL YOU THE BEER
02:41:54PM ON THE PATIO?
02:41:56PM >> NOT AT ALL.
02:41:57PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: DID YOU FORCE JOEL OR ANYONE ELSE TO
02:42:00PM SERVE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ON THE PATIO.
02:42:02PM >> NO, MA'AM, I DID NOT.
02:42:03PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: NOVEMBER 2023, DID YOU NOTICE ANY
02:42:06PM SIGNS THAT ALCOHOLIC BEER AND CONSUMPTION WAS PROHIBITED ON
02:42:10PM THE PATIO?
02:42:13PM >> NO, MA'AM.
02:42:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CREME.
02:42:16PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: MR. BARTLETT, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU,
02:42:18PM ON THE PICTURE LOCATED RIGHT AFTER THE RECEIPTS, THERE IS A
02:42:21PM PICTURE OF A PORTFOLIO OF SOME SORT.
02:42:26PM IS THAT YOURS OR A MINUTE EWE THAT INDICATES OTHER DRINKS
02:42:31PM THAT ARE SOLD AT THE ESTABLISHMENT?
02:42:36PM >> I THINK IT WAS ONE OF THOSE WHEN THEY BRING THE RECEIPT
02:42:38PM AND YOU LEAVE THE MONEY.
02:42:39PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: TWO OF THOSE.
02:42:42PM SOMETHING TO THE LEFT AND TO THE RIGHT OF THE BEER.
02:42:44PM >> I MIGHT HAVE HAD MY iPAD, I DON'T KNOW.
02:42:48PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THE PEOPLE IN FRONT OF YOU IN THIS
02:42:50PM PICTURE WERE THEY DRINKING ALCOHOL OR MAKE THE ASSUMPTION
02:42:53PM THEY WERE DRINKING?
02:42:55PM >> COUNCILPERSON, ARE YOU REFERENCING THE EVENT ON 11
02:43:00PM NOVEMBER.
02:43:02PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: NOVEMBER 18.
02:43:06PM PEOPLE IN FRONT OF YOU.
02:43:10PM BASEBALL CAP, A DRINK SITTING IN FRONT OF HIM.
02:43:14PM >> AGAIN, SOMETHING IN FRONT OF HIM AN AMBER-COLORED LIQUID.
02:43:19PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS, AN AMBER-COLORED LIQUID AND A
02:43:23PM NUMBER OF PEOPLE AT THAT TABLE.
02:43:25PM YOU CAN'T SEE.
02:43:26PM THEY ARE KIND OF OUT OF FRAME A LITTLE BIT.
02:43:28PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY, THANK YOU.
02:43:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:43:31PM YES, MA'AM.
02:43:31PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: MR. BARTLETT, JUST BASED ON YOUR
02:43:36PM EXPERIENCE AS A VETERAN OF THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT OF 32
02:43:38PM YEARS AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY AS A PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR WITH X
02:43:43PM NUMBER OF -- ANY CONCLUSIONS THAT YOU CAN THAT YOU CAN DRAW
02:43:48PM BASED ON THE SERVICE THAT YOU RECEIVED AT GRAND CATHEDRAL
02:43:53PM CIGAR ON THESE TWO LOCATIONS.
02:43:55PM >> I WENT TWICE.
02:43:56PM IT WAS DONE TWICE.
02:43:57PM SO IT WASN'T A ONE-TIME EVENT.
02:43:59PM WASN'T A ONE-OFF.
02:44:01PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: OKAY.
02:44:02PM IF I MAY, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO RECALL MR. COTTON, THEN IF
02:44:07PM MR. BENTLEY WANTS TO CROSS-EXAMINE MR. COTTON AND MR.
02:44:12PM BARTLETT.
02:44:14PM I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR MR. COTTON.
02:44:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
02:44:18PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THANK YOU.
02:44:19PM MR. COTTON, IF YOU WILL LOOK AT THE DIAGRAM ON THE ELMO, YOU
02:44:23PM WILL SEE WHERE MR. PART LET INDICATED WITH AN X IN THE
02:44:28PM PURPLE RIGHT HERE THAT HE WAS SERVED ALCOHOL AT THAT
02:44:33PM LOCATION ON NOVEMBER 11.
02:44:35PM IS THAT -- IS THAT AREA IN WHICH ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES
02:44:40PM AND CONSUMPTION ALLOWED UNDER THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE PERMIT.
02:44:43PM >>ERIC COTTON: ERIC COTTON, NO, MA'AM, IT IS NOT.
02:44:45PM YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE ON THE PLAN NO AB SALES OR CONSUMPTION.
02:44:51PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: TURNING TO THE RED X AND THE OVAL HE
02:44:54PM PLACED AT THE TOP OF THE YELLOW AREA.
02:44:56PM IS THAT AN AREA -- HE INDICATED THAT WAS AN AREA HE WAS
02:45:01PM SERVED ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ON NOVEMBER 18, ARE EITHER OF
02:45:05PM THOSE AREAS WHERE ALCOHOL BEVERAGE SALES ARE ALLOWED.
02:45:08PM >>ERIC COTTON: ERIC COTTON, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION,
02:45:12PM NO, MA'AM, IT IS NOT.
02:45:13PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: UPON LEARNING THIS INFORMATION, DID
02:45:15PM YOU WHAT ACTION DID YOU TAKE.
02:45:18PM >>ERIC COTTON: THE BASIS FOR THE NOTICE OF INTENT LEVEL SENT
02:45:22PM OUT ON DECEMBER 7.
02:45:24PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THANK YOU.
02:45:25PM NO FURTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME IF MR. BENTLEY WILL
02:45:28PM INQUIRE.
02:45:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. BENTLEY, COME ON UP AND PLEASE SPEAK
02:45:32PM LOUDLY.
02:45:35PM >> I AM SORRY.
02:45:36PM I AM COMING DOWN WITH SOMETHING.
02:45:37PM I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. COTTON, THANK YOU.
02:45:46PM MR. BARTLETT.
02:45:47PM DO YOU KNOW "ENTRAPMENT."
02:45:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COME CLOSER HERE.
02:45:57PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. BENTLEY, THERE IS A SUNDAY TO BAR AT
02:45:59PM THE TOP OF THE LECTERN.
02:46:01PM >> YOU ARE WITH THE POLICE 32 YEARS, TPD.
02:46:06PM >> CORRECT.
02:46:08PM >> HOW LONG ARE YOU A P.I.?
02:46:11PM >> TEN YEARS.
02:46:13PM >> THE WORD ENTRAPMENT.
02:46:14PM >> I NEVER MADE AN ARREST FOR IT OR ACCUSED IT.
02:46:18PM >> HOW WOULD YOU DEFINE IT.
02:46:19PM >> TAKE SOMEBODY WHO IS ABSOLUTELY NOT PRONE TO DO SOMETHING
02:46:22PM THAT WAS OF A -- OF A NATURE AGAINST CODE.
02:46:26PM >> LIKE COAXING SOMEONE TO DO SOMETHING.
02:46:28PM >> COAXING OR FORCING THEM TO --
02:46:32PM >> COAXING, WHAT IS THAT?
02:46:34PM >> YOUR WORD.
02:46:36PM >> YOU MEAN COAXING.
02:46:37PM >> NOT AT ALL.
02:46:38PM >> THAT WILL DO IT.
02:46:39PM THANK YOU.
02:46:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S IT?
02:46:42PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR
02:46:43PM MR. BARTLETT.
02:46:44PM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
02:46:47PM SHALL I PROCEED?
02:46:49PM OH, I AM SORRY.
02:46:51PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THAT'S OKAY.
02:46:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
02:46:56PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SO I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO BRIEFLY CALL
02:47:07PM OFFICER FERDINAND BARBOSA VERY QUICKLY TO CLEAR UP ANY
02:47:14PM NOTICE ISSUE.
02:47:15PM SIR, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF.
02:47:17PM >> OFFICER FERDINAND BARBOSA.
02:47:25PM >> TELL US HOW YOU WERE INVOLVED IN THIS MATTER.
02:47:30PM >> THE LETTER OF INTENT --
02:47:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I CAN'T HEAR.
02:47:33PM >> YOU CONTACTED ME WHEN YOU DRAFTED THE LETTER FOR NOTICE
02:47:40PM OF INTENT FOR GRAND CATHEDRAL.
02:47:43PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: DID YOU ACCOMPLISH THAT ON GRAND
02:47:45PM CATHEDRAL?
02:47:47PM >> I DID.
02:47:47PM DECEMBER 8, 12:00.
02:47:49PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: DESCRIBE WHAT YOU DID IN ORDER TO --
02:47:52PM >> I WALKED IN THE CATHEDRAL.
02:47:54PM PLAIN CLOTHED.
02:47:56PM I HAD A UNIFORMED TAMPA POLICE OFFICER WITH ME.
02:47:59PM HE HAD A BODY CAMERA.
02:48:01PM WE WALKED IN THE GRAND CATHEDRAL.
02:48:03PM I IDENTIFIED MYSELF TO THE BUSINESS OWNER MISS ANGELA.
02:48:07PM AND I ADVISED HER OF THE NOTICE OF INTENT FOR THE SUSPENSION
02:48:11PM HEARING.
02:48:11PM I PROVIDED HER WITH INFORMATION.
02:48:13PM I ASKED HER IF SHE HAD ANY INFORMATION -- OR QUESTIONS FOR
02:48:17PM ME.
02:48:17PM I ADVISED HER SHE WOULD BE GETTING A NOTICE VIA CERTIFIED
02:48:21PM MAIL FOR THE ACTUAL DATE OF THE HEARING.
02:48:25PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: DID THAT CONCLUDE YOUR INTERACTION
02:48:27PM WITH GRAND CATHEDRAL?
02:48:29PM >> YES.
02:48:30PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THANK YOU.
02:48:31PM >> HI, MARK BENTLEY.
02:48:35PM ARE YOU JUNIOR BY ANY CHANCE.
02:48:39PM >> I GO BY JUNIOR.
02:48:41PM >> COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
02:48:42PM WHAT IS YOUR DUTY WITH TAMPA PD.
02:48:45PM DO YOU INVESTIGATE AB ISSUES.
02:48:49PM >> I DO NOT INVESTIGATE AB.
02:48:51PM >> HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN WITH THEM.
02:48:53PM >> 24 YEARS.
02:48:54PM >> HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THE CITY HIRING A P.I. TO GO UNDER
02:48:58PM COVER TO ORCHESTRATE, I GUESS, A ZONING VIOLATION?
02:49:03PM I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
02:49:04PM I PERSONALLY DON'T.
02:49:05PM >> THANK YOU.
02:49:06PM SO IT IS UNUSUAL BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE?
02:49:09PM >> I DON'T KNOW.
02:49:10PM I NEVER HEARD THAT.
02:49:11PM >> OKAY, GREAT.
02:49:13PM THANK YOU.
02:49:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:49:15PM YES, MA'AM.
02:49:15PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: ONE CLARIFYING QUESTION.
02:49:18PM YOU DON'T HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY HAS
02:49:20PM EVER --
02:49:21PM >> I DON'T.
02:49:22PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THANK YOU.
02:49:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:49:24PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: MR. CARLSON DID ASK IF WE USE ALL THE
02:49:29PM TIME.
02:49:29PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THAT'S CORRECT, MA'AM.
02:49:32PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
02:49:33PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: WE DO USE PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS.
02:49:37PM AND NOW, COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE TO TURN TO THE SECOND GROUND
02:49:44PM CITED IN THE NOTICE OF INTENT, OPERATION OF THE
02:49:47PM ESTABLISHMENT IN A MATTER THAT CREATES NEGATIVE SECONDARY
02:49:50PM IMPACTS ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
02:49:52PM AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MISS ERIN MacKINNON, IF SHE IS IN
02:49:56PM CHAMBERS, TO COME FORWARD.
02:49:58PM >> HI, I AM A FIRST TIMER SO YOU WILL HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS
02:50:06PM PROCESS TO ME A LITTLE BIT.
02:50:07PM ERIN MacKINNON, 2212 NORTH MORGAN STREET.
02:50:11PM I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN, IF THAT IS PERTINENT.
02:50:15PM SO I LIVE 221 NORTH MORGAN STREET, 190 FEET FROM GRAND
02:50:20PM CATHEDRAL CIGARS.
02:50:21PM TUESDAY OF THIS WEEK JANUARY 23, GIVEN THAT A CHANGE OF USE
02:50:24PM PERMIT WAS NEVER OBTAINED AND NEITHER WAS A CERTIFICATE OF
02:50:29PM OCCUPANCY, I'M HERE TO REQUEST THAT ALL BUSINESS PRICES
02:50:32PM TEMPORARILY CEASE BECAUSE MULTIPLE VIOLATIONS THAT NEED TO
02:50:37PM BE REMEDIED.
02:50:38PM GRAND CATHEDRAL SHOULD HOST CONVERSATIONS WITH TAMPA HEIGHTS
02:50:42PM NEIGHBORHOOD TO HEAR OUR ISSUES AND WORK TO ESTABLISH
02:50:45PM MUTUALLY AGREED-UPON GUIDELINES THAT ALLOW THEIR BUSINESS TO
02:50:49PM THRIVE WHILE CO-EXISTING WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS IN A
02:50:52PM RESPECTFUL WAY.
02:50:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIL UNTIL SHE FINISHES.
02:50:56PM >> OKAY, SORRY.
02:50:57PM I HOPE YOU TAKE THE TIME TO READ MY 100-PAGE PACKET THAT I
02:51:02PM DROPPED OFF TO YOU.
02:51:03PM LIKE I SAID A FIRST TIMER.
02:51:04PM I WANTED TO BE THOROUGH.
02:51:05PM I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE MANY VOICES OF THE TAMPA HEIGHTS
02:51:10PM RESIDENTS.
02:51:11PM SOME THAT HAVE BEEN UNFAIRLY SILENCED AND BULLIED.
02:51:14PM SINCE NOVEMBER OF 2021, MY NEIGHBORS AND I HAVE TIRELESSLY
02:51:19PM SOUGHT ASSISTANCE IN CURBING THE DISRUPTIVE NOISE THAT
02:51:24PM PLAGUED OUR LIVES.
02:51:25PM I INITIALLY ONLY ENGAGED WITH CONVERSATIONS WITH NEIGHBORS
02:51:29PM THROUGH GROUP TEXT HOPING THAT THE OTHERS COULD HANDLE THE
02:51:32PM SITUATION.
02:51:32PM I AM A SINGLE MOM.
02:51:33PM EIGHT-YEAR-OLD SON.
02:51:36PM FULL COMMISSION INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR.
02:51:39PM REALLY NOT ROOM ON MY PLATE FOR ANYTHING ELSE.
02:51:42PM SO I REFRAIN FROM REPORTING NOISE COMPLAINTS UNTIL THE
02:51:45PM SITUATION ESCALATED LEADING TO THE HARASSMENT OF ONE OF MY
02:51:48PM NEIGHBORS.
02:51:49PM THIS NEIGHBOR, A DEDICATED CITY OF TAMPA EMPLOYEE, RESIDES
02:51:53PM DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM GRAND CATHEDRAL CIGARS.
02:51:57PM HE WAS SILENCED.
02:51:58PM UNABLE TO TAKE MEANINGFUL ACTION AGAINST THE RELENTLESS
02:52:03PM DISTURBANCE AFFECTING HIS FAMILY.
02:52:05PM THOSE WHO HAVE CHILDREN, PICTURE THE CHALLENGE OF PUTTING
02:52:09PM YOUR CHILD TO BED ON A SCHOOL NIGHT WITH MUSIC REVERB RATED
02:52:14PM THROUGH THE WINDOW.
02:52:15PM THIS NOISE IS COMING FROM AN AREA THAT IS NOT ZONED FOR
02:52:18PM ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION OR SALES.
02:52:20PM CONSIDER REPEATEDLY CALLING TPD TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE NOISE
02:52:24PM ONLY TO WITNESS NO TANGIBLE RESULTS.
02:52:27PM THE REALITY FOR THE PAST 786 DAYS.
02:52:30PM IN THE COURSE OF MY EXECUTIVE SESSION TEN SIEVE RESEARCH AND
02:52:35PM OUTREACH.
02:52:37PM I REVIEWED THE VIDEO FOR THE SPECIAL USE ORDINANCE SEPTEMBER
02:52:41PM 23, 2021.
02:52:43PM THEY WERE CONDUCTING IT PRIOR TO THE HEARING DATE.
02:52:49PM THEY SAID IN A CATERING LICENSE UNDER OATH THAT THEIR
02:52:54PM SERVICES WAS NOT LEGAL.
02:52:56PM THEY HAD A CATERING OFFICE ON MAY 11, 2021.
02:53:00PM SOFT OPENING ON JANUARY 23, 2021.
02:53:03PM FURTHERMORE, PICTURES FROM THEIR PAGE DEPICT ALCOHOL
02:53:07PM CONSUMPTION IN THE MONTHS OF FEBRUARY, MARCH AND APRIL OF
02:53:10PM 2021, BEFORE THE CATERING LICENSE WAS ISSUED.
02:53:13PM ALSO, IN 2021, THEY FAILED THEIR FIRE INSPECTION.
02:53:17PM I WILL FORDO THE THIS DOCUMENT IN THE 100 AND SOME PAGES.
02:53:22PM ANYWAY, IN 2020, THEY COMPLETED A MASSIVE RENOVATION OF
02:53:30PM THEIR PATIO WITHOUT OBTAINING ANY PERMITS FROM THE CITY.
02:53:33PM THEY ACTUALLY JUST APPLIED FOR A PERMIT YESTERDAY.
02:53:35PM WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THESE CRUCIAL INSPECTIONS
02:53:39PM AND PERMITS TO KEEP THE CITIZENS OF OUR COMMUNITY SAFE.
02:53:42PM THESE FINDINGS HIGHLIGHT A PATTERN OF DISREGARD FOR RULES
02:53:47PM AND PROCEDURES INCLUDING THOSE IN THE SPECIAL USE ORDINANCE.
02:53:49PM DEMONSTRATING A LACK OF ADHERENCE TO ESTABLISHED
02:53:53PM REGULATIONS.
02:53:54PM ESSENTIAL FOR US TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES COLLECTIVELY AS A
02:53:58PM COMMUNITY AND THAT OUR COMMUNITY IS A PLACE THAT EVERYONE
02:54:00PM CAN LIVE PEACEFULLY AND RESPECTFULLY.
02:54:03PM I VALUE THE BUSINESSES IN TAMPA HEIGHTS AND APPRECIATE THE
02:54:06PM ONES THAT HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO SPEAK WITH US, PARTNER WITH
02:54:09PM US AND CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR TAMPA HEIGHTS TO THRIVE?
02:54:12PM A MANNER THAT BRINGS VALUE TO THEM AND US AS THEIR
02:54:16PM NEIGHBORS.
02:54:17PM AS I STATED EARLIER, IF GRAND CATHEDRAL WANTS TO BE AN ASSET
02:54:21PM TO THE RAPIDLY GROWING TAMPA HEIGHTS AREA, WE NEED TO WORK
02:54:25PM TONIGHT UNDER THE GUIDELINES AND REGULATIONS IN PLACE.
02:54:27PM IN CONCLUSION, PLEASE CONSIDER IMPOSING A TEMPORARY CLOSURE
02:54:31PM OF THE ESTABLISHMENT UNTIL THE MULTIPLE VIOLATIONS ARE
02:54:33PM REMEDY TO OPERATE LEGALLY UNDER THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF
02:54:38PM ORDINANCES.
02:54:38PM THAT THEY HAVE A DIALOGUE WITH THE NEIGHBORS SO A MUTUAL
02:54:42PM AGREEMENT AND PUBLIC APOLOGY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND
02:54:45PM NEIGHBORS AT LARGE FOR THE RECKLESS BEHAVIOR.
02:54:48PM ESPECIALLY THOSE BULLIED AND RETALIATED AGAINST.
02:54:51PM IF GRAND CATHEDRAL CAN WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE
02:54:54PM NEIGHBORHOOD WILL LIFT THEM UP.
02:54:55PM LOOK AT KING STATE.
02:54:56PM I EVEN CREATED A GRAPHIC -- WHERE DO I PUT THIS?
02:55:09PM -- ION CREATED THIS GRAPHIC TO SHOW HOW GRAND CATHEDRAL CAN
02:55:12PM USE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE A BETTER EXPERIENCE TO THEIR
02:55:15PM CUSTOMERS AND NEIGHBORS.
02:55:16PM THANK YOU.
02:55:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:55:20PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK?
02:55:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF YOUR
02:55:25PM STATEMENT.
02:55:25PM YOU SAID THEY HAVE NO CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY?
02:55:30PM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
02:55:30PM THEY FAILED THE FIRE INSPECTION IN 2021.
02:55:33PM ALSO ANOTHER CODE CASE FILED ON THE 23rd THAT STATES THERE
02:55:37PM IS NO CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
02:55:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU SAID NO PERMIT FOR THE PATIO?
02:55:43PM >> NO.
02:55:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU SAID SOMETHING ELSE OTHER THAN THE
02:55:46PM CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND I DIDN'T CATCH IT.
02:55:49PM BEFORE YOU SAID NO CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
02:55:52PM WHAT ELSE DID YOU SAY?
02:55:54PM >> THERE WAS -- CHANGE OF USE PERMIT.
02:55:58PM CURRENTLY ZONED SINCE 2000 AS AN ART GALLERY, THE BUILDING.
02:56:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
02:56:03PM MISS SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ.
02:56:07PM >> HERE ARE THE LETTERS FROM THE NEIGHBORS WHO COULD NOT BE
02:56:11PM HERE TODAY.
02:56:12PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: YES, MA'AM.
02:56:13PM SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
02:56:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THEY HAVE NO CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY?
02:56:21PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
02:56:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HOW HAVE THEY BEEN ABLE TO OPERATE?
02:56:27PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I DON'T KNOW IF MR. COTTON CAN
02:56:29PM ADDRESS THAT.
02:56:29PM THAT IS SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE DEPARTMENT OF GROWTH
02:56:33PM MANAGEMENT.
02:56:33PM BUT IF THAT IS AN ISSUE, I WOULD ASK COUNCIL TO FOCUS ON
02:56:38PM ITEMS THAT WERE LISTED IN THE NOTICE OF INTENT, NOT THAT
02:56:42PM CAN'T BE ADDRESSED AT A LATER DATE, BUT THE NOTICE OF INTENT
02:56:45PM IS VERY SPECIFIC AND I WILL ASK COUNCIL TO FOCUS ON THAT FOR
02:56:49PM TODAY'S -- FOR PURPOSES OF TODAY'S HEARING.
02:56:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THEY HAVE NO
02:56:54PM CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
02:56:55PM THEY DO NOT HAVE A PERMIT FOR THE PATTY I DON'T HE,
02:56:58PM DEVELOPING -- BUILDING IT.
02:56:59PM THEY DID NOT GET A PERMIT.
02:57:02PM IS THAT -- MR. COTTON, THAT'S CORRECT?
02:57:06PM I AM SORRY, I JUST HAVE TO ASK BECAUSE --
02:57:09PM >>ERIC COTTON: ERIC COTTON, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
02:57:11PM I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE.
02:57:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WOULD BE IN THAT LIST YOU SHOWED US, RIGHT,
02:57:15PM THE ACELA.
02:57:17PM >>ERIC COTTON: PART OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.
02:57:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU PUT THE ACELA LIST BACK ON?
02:57:25PM >>ERIC COTTON: YES, MA'AM, I CAN DO THAT.
02:57:27PM PROBABLY THE LAST PAGE, BEAR WITH ME.
02:57:35PM THERE WE GO.
02:57:36PM THIS IS THE ACELA LIST.
02:57:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT SO WE CAN READ
02:57:41PM IT?
02:57:42PM >>ERIC COTTON: YES, MA'AM.
02:57:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO -- SO THEN THERE IS NO PERMIT FOR THE
02:57:48PM PATIO WORK.
02:57:49PM THEY FAILED A FIRE INSPECTION.
02:57:52PM OR THEY DON'T HAVE A FIRE INSPECTION, IS THAT CORRECT?
02:57:56PM DID THEY FAIL IT?
02:57:58PM HAVE THEY -- I AM ASKING STAFF.
02:57:59PM HAVE THEY -- HAVE THEY PASSED THAT FIRE INSPECTION?
02:58:03PM >>ERIC COTTON: I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
02:58:04PM I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW.
02:58:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SHE SAID IT WAS ZONED FOR AN ART GALLERY?
02:58:11PM >>ERIC COTTON: THE PREVIOUS USE WHICH IS THE PURPOSE OF THE
02:58:13PM APPLICATION, THE BLD THAT WAS SUBMITTED YESTERDAY.
02:58:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YESTERDAY.
02:58:18PM >>ERIC COTTON: YES, MA'AM.
02:58:20PM CHANGE OF USE FROM AN ART GALLERY INTO A BAR LOUNGE KIND OF
02:58:25PM ESTABLISHMENT.
02:58:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MY QUESTION, TRADITIONALLY, HOW CAN YOU OPEN
02:58:29PM AN ESTABLISHMENT IF YOU ARE NOT ZONED FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT
02:58:32PM THAT IS --
02:58:34PM >>ERIC COTTON: WELL, THE ZONING IS CORRECT.
02:58:36PM THE ZONING IS, I BELIEVE, CI OR CG.
02:58:40PM THAT WILL ALLOW THE USE ITSELF, PLACE OF ASSEMBLY, THE BAR,
02:58:44PM LOUNGE.
02:58:45PM SPECIAL USE TO A SELL THE ALCOHOL.
02:58:48PM A CHANGE OF OCCUPANCY WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS TO GO FROM ONE
02:58:51PM USE TO ANOTHER USE.
02:58:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, OKAY.
02:58:53PM >>ERIC COTTON: UNDERLYING ZONING WILL BE ALLOWED.
02:58:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE ZONING IS DIRECT.
02:58:58PM THEY JUST DON'T HAVE IN C.O.
02:59:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND CARLSON.
02:59:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF FORMER YOLI CAPIN
02:59:10PM BEFORE THIS COUNCIL.
02:59:11PM I WAS THERE -- IF YOU HAVE A POST INSIDE THE BUILDING --
02:59:14PM THIS IS WHERE I AM GETTING A LITTLE CONCERNED ONE WAY OR THE
02:59:17PM OTHER.
02:59:17PM IT SAID YOU HAVE TO PUT HOW MANY OCCUPANTS YOU CAN IN THE
02:59:23PM BUILDING.
02:59:23PM IS THAT THERE THE SAME THING OR DIFFERENT THINGS.
02:59:27PM >>ERIC COTTON: POST SOMETHING REQUIRED.
02:59:29PM WHETHER IT IS POSTED -- I DON'T SMOKE CIGARS AND I DON'T
02:59:34PM DRINK NEVER BEEN IN THE ESTABLISHMENT.
02:59:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
02:59:39PM >>BILL CARLSON: WE WERE TALKING OF NOTICE BEFORE.
02:59:41PM AND MAYBE NOT DIRECTLY OR TANGENTIALLY RELATED TO THIS, BUT
02:59:46PM A RECORD THAT THEY WERE NOTICED FOR NOT HAVING A CERTIFICATE
02:59:49PM OF OCCUPANCY AND HAVE APPROVALS ON ALL THESE OTHER THINGS?
02:59:53PM >>ERIC COTTON: AGAIN, WE ARE GOING BACK TO THE ACELA LIST.
02:59:57PM THE CMP AND THE C.O.D.s.
03:00:02PM THOSE WERE CODE ENFORCEMENT COMPLAINTS.
03:00:04PM THEY HAD BEEN CITED FOR WORK WITHOUT PERMITS.
03:00:06PM I THINK THAT IS WHAT STARTED THE BLD.
03:00:10PM >>BILL CARLSON: FOR NO OCCUPANCY?
03:00:13PM >>ERIC COTTON: I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY --
03:00:16PM >>BILL CARLSON: DOES IT SAY THAT -- I DON'T KNOW HOW TO
03:00:19PM READ IT.
03:00:20PM >>ERIC COTTON: DIFFERENT CASE NUMBERS.
03:00:21PM IF I HAD -- THIS WAS A COMPUTER, WE COULD CLICK ON THE
03:00:25PM NUMBER AND WILL TELL YOU WHAT THE VIOLATION FOR.
03:00:27PM >>BILL CARLSON: EACH OF THESE THINGS, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN
03:00:30PM NOTICED.
03:00:31PM >>ERIC COTTON: YES, NOTICE GOES OUT FOR VIOLATION.
03:00:34PM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I ASK THE NEIGHBOR, YOU SAID PEOPLE
03:00:37PM BEING BULLIED, WHO OR HOW.
03:00:41PM >> YES.
03:00:42PM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE YOUR PACKETS, BUT MY NEIGHBOR WHO
03:00:45PM LIVES ACROSS THE STREET WOULD BE THE ONE -- IT WAS HIM AND
03:00:48PM ANOTHER GENTLEMAN WHO SINCE MOVED HOP ARE THE ONES LEADING
03:00:55PM THE NOISE COMPLAINT CHARGE.
03:00:56PM INITIALLY WE TRIED TO WORK WITH THEM DIRECTLY.
03:00:59PM HE WAS TEXTING THEM.
03:01:00PM WE THEN TURNED TO FILING -- OR CALLING THE NONEMERGENCY
03:01:06PM NUMBER, WHICH I HAVE ALL THOSE DOCUMENTS IN THE PACKET TO
03:01:08PM SHOW HOW MANY TIMES WE CALLED NONEMERGENCY AND NOTHING WAS
03:01:13PM DONE.
03:01:13PM AND THEN IT JUST CAME TO THE POINT WHERE I JUST STARTED
03:01:17PM FILING THROUGH TPD'S WEB SITE AND THEN CALLING NONEMERGENCY.
03:01:21PM WE WEREN'T GETTING ANYWHERE.
03:01:25PM >>BILL CARLSON: BULLYING RELATED TO IT?
03:01:27PM >> YES, A LETTER SENT TO HIS HR DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY OF
03:01:30PM TAMPA SAYING HE WAS ABUSING HIS POSITION WITHIN THE CITY AND
03:01:33PM HARASSING THEM.
03:01:34PM SO I TOOK UP THIS CAUSE AT THAT POINT, BECAUSE HE WAS
03:01:41PM TERRIFIED HE WAS GOING TO LOSE HIS JOB.
03:01:43PM AND HE HAS A WIFE AND TWO YOUNG CHILDREN THAT HE HAS TO TAKE
03:01:47PM CARE OF.
03:01:47PM AND THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT ANYBODY HAS TO DEAL WITH.
03:01:52PM I MEAN, THAT'S YOUR HOUSE.
03:01:55PM WANT TO FEEL SAFE AND COMFORTABLE IN YOUR HOUSE.
03:01:58PM NOBODY -- BECAUSE OF THE RETALIATION AND BECAUSE OF THE NOT
03:02:02PM WANTING TO WORK TOGETHER, IT'S -- IT IS JUST UNCOMFORTABLE.
03:02:07PM LIKE HAVING THAT BAD COLLEGE ROOMMATE THAT -- YOU KNOW YOU
03:02:12PM HAVE TO LIVE WITH THEM AND YOU DON'T REALLY LIKE IT.
03:02:15PM NOT A COMFORTABLE SITUATION.
03:02:18PM WE CAN DEFINITELY GET THERE, BUT I THINK ALL OF THESE THINGS
03:02:20PM NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
03:02:21PM >>BILL CARLSON: THAT LETTER COME FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER OR
03:02:24PM THEIR ATTORNEY?
03:02:26PM >> THEIR ATTORNEY.
03:02:27PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
03:02:29PM DEPARTMENT.
03:02:29PM I WANT TO ASK MISS McKINNON A CLARIFYING QUESTION.
03:02:33PM YOU OR ANY OF YOUR NEIGHBORS OR ANYONE THAW KNOW OF
03:02:35PM COMMUNICATED TO THE OWNERS AND/OR OPERATORS OF GRAND
03:02:39PM CATHEDRAL CIGARS REGARDING THESE ISSUES YOU DESCRIBED THIS
03:02:43PM AFTERNOON.
03:02:43PM >> YES.
03:02:44PM IN YOUR PACKET, E-MAILS BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN OUR NEIGHBORS
03:02:48PM WITH ANGELA YU AND MR. MICHELINI.
03:02:52PM AND THEN WE -- THEN THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION WAS -- WAS TRYING
03:02:56PM TO WORK WITH THEM.
03:02:57PM AND THE ONLY RESPONSE THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THEM WAS TPD
03:03:01PM CAME OUT AND SAID THERE WAS NO VIOLATION -- THERE IS NO --
03:03:06PM NO VIOLATION TO THE NOISE ORDINANCE.
03:03:08PM WELL, THE -- IT WAS NOT BEING ENFORCED -- THE SPECIAL USE
03:03:13PM PERMIT WAS NOT BEING ENFORCED WHERE THE PATTY I DON'T HE
03:03:16PM AREA WAS.
03:03:20PM I KEEP THE GOING BACK TO THAT ISSUE BECAUSE IF IT WAS
03:03:22PM ENFORCED, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE.
03:03:25PM IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NONEXISTENT.
03:03:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
03:03:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FOR MR. COTTON, CAN YOU THROW THE PAGE
03:03:38PM WITH THE VIOLATIONS -- WITH THE COMPLAINTS, EXCUSE ME.
03:03:41PM >>ERIC COTTON: YES, SIR.
03:03:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN YOU HIGHLIGHT -- WHICH OF THESE
03:03:51PM COMPLAINTS WERE FOUND AGAINST THE GRAND CATHEDRAL OPERATORS?
03:03:54PM >>ERIC COTTON: STARTING ON -- SO THE ONE THAT WERE OPEN --
03:04:02PM SO GRAND CATHEDRAL I GUESS OPENED IN 2021.
03:04:05PM THAT WAS THE FIRST CMP.
03:04:10PM THIS ONE HERE.
03:04:11PM STILL AN ACTIVE CASE.
03:04:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY.
03:04:14PM >>ERIC COTTON: THE REST ARE ALL CONSIDERED ACTIVE CASES
03:04:17PM STILL.
03:04:17PM THEY ARE STILL MOVING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
03:04:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HAD THEY HAD ANY COMPLAINTS AGAINST THEM
03:04:22PM THAT WERE SUCCESSFULLY FILED AGAINST THEM THAT THEY WERE
03:04:26PM FOUND IN VIOLATION.
03:04:27PM >> CODE CASE 193.
03:04:28PM THAT SENDS IN 193.
03:04:30PM THERE IS A CURRENT -- IT IS AN ORDER IMPOSING LIEN.
03:04:35PM THE FINDING OF FACT, CONCLUSION OF LAW, ORDER OPPOSING LIEN,
03:04:43PM CONCLUSION AND FACTS AND VIOLATION OF CODE 515.1 -- YOU WANT
03:04:50PM ME -- HERE.
03:04:50PM THAT IS YOUR JOB.
03:04:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE ONE THAT IS STILL IN PROCESS.
03:05:01PM IS THIS DONE NOW?
03:05:02PM ALL THE RECOURSES HAVE BEEN SETTLED?
03:05:05PM >>ERIC COTTON: IT SAY "FROM PROCESS" BECAUSE -- NOT A SHORT
03:05:12PM PROCESS.
03:05:12PM SO EVEN ONCE THEY ARE FOUND -- EVEN ONCE THEY ARE FOUND
03:05:16PM GUILTY BY THE MAGISTRATE, THERE ARE OTHER PROCESSES THEY GO
03:05:19PM THROUGH.
03:05:19PM IF A LIEN IS ENFORCED --
03:05:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ON THAT LIST, NOTHING HAS BEEN CLOSED OFF
03:05:27PM OR FOUND GUILTY ON.
03:05:28PM THEY DON'T ANY -- THEY DON'T HAVE ANY CASES AGAINST THEM
03:05:32PM WHERE THEY WERE FOUND GUILTY AND FIND?
03:05:35PM >>ERIC COTTON: THIS ONE WAS FOUND GUILTY.
03:05:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CLOSED OUT AND DONE.
03:05:38PM ALL THE RECOURSE --
03:05:40PM >>ERIC COTTON: THEY ARE STILL ALL ACTIVE CASES.
03:05:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: STILL ALL ACTIVE CASES.
03:05:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY.
03:05:46PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DO YOU WANT THE TWO DOCUMENTS.
03:05:48PM THE ACELA COMPLAINTS.
03:05:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IF ANOTHER NOT INTO EVIDENCE.
03:05:52PM I THINK THEY SHOULD BE PUT INTO EVIDENCE.
03:05:54PM WE START LOOKING AT MITIGATING FACTORS.
03:05:57PM >>ERIC COTTON: I CAN SUBMIT THIS.
03:05:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
03:06:02PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, CHAIR.
03:06:04PM MISS MacKINNON, YOU HAVE A PARAGRAPH IN YOUR OPENING
03:06:10PM STATEMENTS THAT INDICATES THAT THE GRAND CATHEDRAL CIGARS
03:06:14PM HAVE HOSTED SEVERAL FUNDRAISERS FOR TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT
03:06:17PM AND MADE DONATIONS TO TWO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
03:06:20PM >> CORRECT.
03:06:21PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHAT CITY COUNCILMEMBERS ARE YOU SPEAKING
03:06:25PM OF?
03:06:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: EXCUSE ME, IF I CAN.
03:06:28PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT IS IN HER OPENING LETTER.
03:06:30PM I AM JUST CURIOUS OF THAT OR IF THAT DOESN'T MATTER.
03:06:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOT NECESSARILY RELEVANT BECAUSE -- WE HAD
03:06:37PM THIS DISCUSSION EARLIER ABOUT WHETHER ONE CAN BE FAIR AND
03:06:42PM IMPARTIAL.
03:06:43PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: TRUE, BUT IT IS THERE.
03:06:44PM AND I WANT TO POINT THAT OUT.
03:06:46PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: BY THE WAY WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT THAT
03:06:48PM BOOK IS IN EVIDENCE AND IT WAS UPLOADED.
03:06:50PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: CORRECT.
03:06:51PM MY NEXT QUESTION FOR MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ ABOUT -- BECAUSE WE
03:06:56PM HAVE -- SINCE I HAVE A COUPLE OF APPROVALS AND NONAPPROVALS
03:07:00PM FOR ALCOHOL ZONING.
03:07:01PM THIS AREA THAT WE ARE SPEAKING OF THAT IS CURRENTLY IN
03:07:06PM VIOLATION ALREADY THAT WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO COME BEFORE US
03:07:10PM AND ASK FOR PERMISSION TO USE THAT SPACE FOR ALCOHOL,
03:07:14PM CORRECT?
03:07:15PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: YES.
03:07:16PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: HAS THAT EVER BEEN DONE SOMEBODY IN.
03:07:20PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: COUNCIL APPROVED AN ORDINANCE OF
03:07:23PM SPECIFIC LIMITATIONS.
03:07:24PM IF THEY WANT TO EXPAND OR CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT THAT
03:07:26PM APPROVAL, THEY NEED TO APPLY WITH A NEW SITE PLAN AND COME
03:07:29PM BEFORE COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.
03:07:31PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY, CORRECT.
03:07:32PM SOMEONE ELSE HAS DONE THAT BEFORE LIKE OVER THIS HYDE PARK
03:07:36PM COMMUNITY BOULEVARD, THEY WANTED TO EXTEND TO AN OUTDOOR
03:07:39PM AREA AND THEY HAD TO COME AND DO IT OVER AGAIN.
03:07:42PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THAT'S CORRECT.
03:07:44PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THEY NEVER ATTEMPTED TO DO THAT?
03:07:47PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
03:07:49PM ERIC COTTON CAN CONFIRM THAT.
03:07:52PM >>ERIC COTTON: ERIC COTTON.
03:07:53PM ZONING IS RM-24.
03:07:56PM THEY DID APPLY FOR A REZONING IN 2022 TO GO FROM CI
03:08:01PM AND RM-24 TO PD.
03:08:03PM ONCE THEY WOULD HAVE HAD THE PD IN PLACE, THEY COULD COME
03:08:06PM BACK TO EXPAND THE ALCOHOL.
03:08:08PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT DID NOT HAPPEN?
03:08:10PM >>ERIC COTTON: THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED.
03:08:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
03:08:15PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LOOKING AT CLEARANCES AND NOISE ORDINANCE
03:08:19PM AND LOOKING AT HIM NOW -- I AM NOT SAYING THERE IS ANYTHING
03:08:22PM OUTSTANDING, BUT JANUARY 31, 2023 AT 20:30, 10:00, 10:30,
03:08:33PM ALMOST 10:31 AND CLEAR JANUARY 2023 AT 20:34:20, FOUR AND A
03:08:42PM HALF MINUTES LATER.
03:08:42PM LOOK AT IT AND SAYS "CLEARED" ON TOP.
03:08:47PM I AM NOT HERE TO TAKE SIDES BUT THE ITEM RECEIVED BY US ON
03:08:51PM THE INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED.
03:08:52PM AND I DON'T KNOW IF TAMPA -- TAMPA PD OR THE INVESTIGATOR
03:08:57PM WANTS TO SPEAK ON THESE THINGS.
03:08:58PM I AM JUST GOING THROUGH THEM REAL QUICKLY.
03:09:01PM THAT WAS ONE.
03:09:02PM I FOUND ANOTHER ONE HERE DATED DECEMBER 4, 2022 AT 21:05.
03:09:13PM RECEIVED A CALL 21:05:10, WENT ON ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR,
03:09:19PM FIVE, SIX AREAS DISPATCH ROUTE ON SCENE.
03:09:25PM IN THE BOTTOM IT SAYS CLEARED AND ON THE TOP IT SAID
03:09:32PM CLEARED.
03:09:32PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
03:09:34PM I AM NOT TRAINED FOR THAT.
03:09:36PM I AM BRINGING WHAT I READ NOVEMBER 21, 2022, 20:26:28.
03:09:44PM RECEIVED.
03:09:45PM LIKE I SAID EN ROUTE RECEIVED THERE TEN MINUTES LATER AND
03:09:49PM CLEARED AT -- I GUESS THEY ARE TALKING OF THE FOLLOWING DAY
03:09:54PM IN THE MORNING, MIDNIGHT, 45:09 SAID CLEARED AND CLEARED.
03:10:00PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RESULTS ARE AFTER THAT.
03:10:02PM NOVEMBER 15, 2022, RECEIVED.
03:10:08PM NOVEMBER 15, 2022, 1:09:24 RECEIVE A CAUGHT.
03:10:13PM THEY WERE ON THE SCENE AT 20:21:23.
03:10:19PM IT WAS CLEARED TO 20:21:47.
03:10:24PM I AM GOING BY WHAT THE BOOK SAYS HERE.
03:10:26PM I AM NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM, BUT A FEW THAT I
03:10:29PM SEE HERE.
03:10:30PM I HAVE YET OCTOBER 18, 2022.
03:10:36PM CLEARED AND CLEARED.
03:10:37PM STARTED ON OCTOBER 18, 2022 AT 21:14:06 CLEARED AT 21:52:20.
03:10:45PM I GUESS "CLEARED" MEANS FINDING OF FACT.
03:10:50PM I AM NOT SURE WHAT IT MEANS.
03:10:52PM I WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT WHOEVER PUT THIS TOGETHER, WHAT DOES
03:10:55PM THAT MEAN.
03:10:56PM OTHERS THAT GO BACK TO OCTOBER 15 AND SO ON.
03:11:01PM CAN NEB TELL THE BOARD CITY COUNCIL WHAT THAT MEANS?
03:11:04PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WOULD MR. -- WOULD OFFICER BARTLETT KNOW.
03:11:11PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ.
03:11:13PM WITHOUT HAVING THE OFFICERS WHO WROTE THE REPORT AND
03:11:16PM RESPONDED TO THE CALLS, I DON'T BELIEVE ANYBODY ELSE HERE
03:11:21PM CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
03:11:22PM I THINK IT SPEAKS TO THE FACT THAT WHAT I WAS SAID EARLIER,
03:11:27PM SUBSECTIONS D, THINGS THAT MARE NOT AMOUNT TO A VIOLATION OF
03:11:30PM THE CITY CODE, YET STILL CAUSE NEGATIVE SECONDARY IMPACTS TO
03:11:35PM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS MISS MacKINNON HAD DESCRIBED.
03:11:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM NOT SAYING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
03:11:41PM BUT WE RECEIVED THE CALLS -- ADDRESSED A CALL, AND THAT IS
03:11:44PM WHAT THE REPORT SAYS.
03:11:45PM I AM NOT SURE WHAT IT MEANS.
03:11:46PM THANK YOU.
03:11:47PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN.
03:11:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
03:11:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MISS MacKINNON, I BELIEVE YOU HANDED
03:11:55PM SEVERAL -- A STACK OF PAPER AND ALL PRETTY MUCH THE SAME
03:11:58PM FORM, APPEAL TO SUSPEND CATHEDRAL CIGARS.
03:12:02PM >> YES, FROM THE NEIGHBORS.
03:12:04PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WANTED TO LET COUNCIL KNOW IT IS IN THE
03:12:06PM RECORD BUT I ALSO WANT TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW AND ALSO FOR
03:12:12PM THE RECORD.
03:12:12PM THESE SORT OF PETITIONS IN A WAY DO NOT -- DO NOT CONSTITUTE
03:12:19PM COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN TERMS OF UPON -- YOU HAVE
03:12:23PM -- YOU ARE LOOKING AT ME STRANGELY.
03:12:25PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I AM JUST WAITING.
03:12:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT A PETITION,
03:12:33PM ABSENT COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE, WOULD NOT FORM A
03:12:37PM BASIS -- NORTHWEST FORM A BASIS FOR YOU TO MAKE A DECISION.
03:12:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
03:12:47PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ATTORNEY SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, QUESTION.
03:12:51PM CHOICE THIS VIOLATIONS WHEN THE POLICE COME OUT.
03:12:53PM THEY DON'T COME OUT TO ADDRESS ALCOHOL PROBLEMS.
03:12:58PM THEY ARE OUT TO DEAL WITH NOISE.
03:13:02PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ.
03:13:03PM AS FAR AS I KNOW ALL WERE BECAUSE OF NOISE COMPLAINTS FROM
03:13:07PM THE NEIGHBORS.
03:13:08PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THE DECISION WE ARE MAKING IF THEY
03:13:10PM VIOLATE --
03:13:11PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THEIR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE.
03:13:13PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THEIR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SITUATION THAT
03:13:15PM WILL BE CONSIDERED SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
03:13:17PM JUST BASED ON THE FACT OF THE VIOLATION OF THE ALCOHOL,
03:13:20PM CORRECT?
03:13:21PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THAT'S CORRECT, MA'AM.
03:13:23PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY, THANK YOU.
03:13:25PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: WOULD MR. BENTLEY LIKE TO ASK MISS
03:13:29PM MacKINNON ANY QUESTIONS.
03:13:30PM >> AM I WILL GOOD?
03:13:33PM AM I RELEASED?
03:13:36PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I BELIEVE HE IS IN THE AUDIENCE.
03:13:37PM MR. RALPH SCHULER.
03:13:39PM ARE YOU HERE?
03:13:45PM >> THANK YOU, I DIDN'T REALIZE I WOULD BE ASKED.
03:13:47PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:13:48PM RALPH SCHULER, 2101 NORTH JEFFERSON STREET.
03:13:53PM I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
03:13:54PM I CURRENTLY LIVE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 25 YEARS.
03:13:58PM I LIVE TWO BLOCKS FROM THE PROPOSED ESTABLISHMENT.
03:14:01PM I HAVE BEEN PAST PRESIDENT SEVERAL TIMES AND I WANTED TO
03:14:07PM EXPRESS -- I AM ALSO AN ARCHITECT, BY THE WAY.
03:14:11PM -- AT THE BEGINNING, I DID GO TO THIS ESTABLISHMENT.
03:14:16PM THEY ACTUALLY RAN IT PROPERLY FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
03:14:19PM I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT AMOUNT, THREE TO OR FOUR -- WHAT I
03:14:25PM PROPERLY, 10:00 AND THEY SAID YOU NEED TO GO INSIDE AT
03:14:30PM 10:00.
03:14:30PM YOU NEED TO CONSUME YOUR ALCOHOL INSIDE.
03:14:32PM I BELIEVE WE DID CONSUME ALCOHOL IN THE PATIO PORTION.
03:14:35PM AGAIN, I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF ANY OF THESE THINGS.
03:14:40PM BUT SOON THEREAFTER -- AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND THERE WAS AS
03:14:44PM CHANGE OF THE PERSON WHO RAN THE ESTABLISHMENT, THE OUTDOOR
03:14:50PM PATIO BECAME MUCH MORE ACTIVE.
03:14:52PM AND WAS -- CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL WAS VERY APPARENT.
03:15:00PM ALSO, THEY HAD OUTDOOR EVENTS THERE WITH LIVE MUSIC.
03:15:07PM THAT LIVE MUSIC EXTENDED FAR PAST 10:00.
03:15:10PM AND THIS IS REALLY THE CRUTCH OF -- OF THE NEIGHBORS'
03:15:17PM COMPLAINTS.
03:15:17PM MAYBE NOT THE CITY'S COMPLAINTS.
03:15:19PM THERE ARE MANY ISSUES WE ARE ALL AWARE OF TODAY THAT EXPRESS
03:15:24PM THE OTHER CODE VIOLATIONS WHICH AREN'T REALLY PART OF THIS
03:15:27PM HEARING.
03:15:27PM BUT FOR THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE PATRONS THERE
03:15:33PM AND THE PEOPLE HERE WHO LIVE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD,
03:15:36PM OBVIOUSLY BOTH NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AT DIFFERENT TIME.
03:15:39PM I WANTED TO EXPRESS MY EXTREME DESIRE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
03:15:44PM CAN RESOLVE THIS MATTER.
03:15:47PM AND WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO A COMPLIANT BUSINESS IN ALL
03:15:52PM ASPECTS.
03:15:52PM I WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
03:15:54PM THANK YOU.
03:15:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CROSS-
03:15:59PM EXAMINATION?
03:16:00PM OR DIRECT QUESTIONS?
03:16:01PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SCHULER.
03:16:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
03:16:06PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOT RIGHT NOW.
03:16:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY, THANK YOU.
03:16:08PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: NOW MR. BRIAN SEEL I BELIEVE IS IN
03:16:14PM THE AUDIENCE.
03:16:15PM AND I DON'T BELIEVE HE HAS BEEN SWORN.
03:16:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
03:16:20PM YOU CAME IN A LITTLE LATHE.
03:16:25PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: ONE MORE WITNESS.
03:16:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. PETERIKA.
03:16:29PM OKAY.
03:16:29PM PLEASE SWEAR THEM IN [SWEARING IN]
03:16:37PM >> I DO.
03:16:37PM >> YES.
03:16:38PM GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
03:16:40PM MY NAME IS BRIAN SEEL, 313 WEST TAMPA AVENUE IN TAMPA HEIGHTS.
03:16:47PM MEMBER OF THE ASSOCIATION, BUT SPEAKING ON MY OWN BEHALF
03:16:51PM TODAY.
03:16:51PM I WAS INVOLVED IN MEETING WITH GRAND CATHEDRAL AND THEIR
03:16:55PM AGENTS DURING THIS INITIAL WET ZONING PERIOD FOR THE AB 2.
03:17:00PM AND WE DISCUSSED VARIOUS ISSUES AT THAT.
03:17:03PM AND ULTIMATELY CAME TO WITHDRAW OPPOSITION TO THAT; HOWEVER,
03:17:08PM IN THAT SUBSEQUENT TIME, I HAVE LEARNED FROM SURROUNDING
03:17:12PM NEIGHBORS ABOUT THE VIOLATIONS RELATED TO THIS.
03:17:15PM I BELIEVE SPECIFICALLY IN AB-2, ALSO INSTRUCTIONS ON
03:17:21PM NOISE AND SPECIAL EVENTS ASIDE FROM THE STANDARD CITY NOISE
03:17:26PM ORDINANCE AS WELL.
03:17:27PM BUT I'M HERE TO ASK THAT YOU -- YOU TAKE THESE QUESTIONS AND
03:17:32PM ALLEGATIONS SERIOUSLY I CAN SAY THAT BASED ON TESTIMONY,
03:17:39PM ONLY VIOLATION I WITNESSED OCTOBER 4, 2022.
03:17:42PM THE ONLY TIME I VISITED THE ESTABLISHMENT, I DID WITNESS
03:17:47PM DRINKING OUT IN THE PATIO AREA.
03:17:50PM TAMPA APPEARED TO BE ALCOHOL.
03:17:51PM DID NOT SAMPLE DRINK OF OTHER PATRONS.
03:17:55PM AND THAT IS HOW I OBSERVED PERSONALLY AS IT RELATES
03:17:59PM PERSONALLY TO THIS.
03:17:59PM TO THE BROADER PICTURE, I AM JUST REALLY DISAPPOINT IT HAS
03:18:03PM COME TO THIS.
03:18:03PM IT REALLY SHOULDN'T HAVE.
03:18:05PM I HAVE CALLED SEVERAL TIMES TO VARIOUS OWNERSHIP INTEREST OR
03:18:09PM MANAGERS OF THE ESTABLISHMENT AND SAID, HEY, THIS IS WHAT
03:18:12PM THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS ARE SAYING IS GOING ON.
03:18:15PM I HAVE SEEN -- I HAVE BEEN SHOWN VIDEOS OR -- YOU KNOW,
03:18:19PM OTHER TYPES OF EVIDENCE THAT THEY HAVE RECORDED THAT SHOWS
03:18:24PM SOMETHING.
03:18:24PM WITH YOU PLEASE -- WORK WITH THEM.
03:18:27PM WE WANT TO BE A WELCOMING URBAN BUSINESS -- A WELCOMING
03:18:31PM URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WELCOME BUSINESS.
03:18:33PM I AM A BUSINESS OWNER AS WELL AS A CONSTRUCTION PROFESSIONAL
03:18:36PM MYSELF.
03:18:37PM I HAVE BUILT NUMEROUS PROJECTS IN THIS CITY.
03:18:39PM I HAVE BEEN SLAPPED ON THE HAND FOR NOT PASSING INSPECTIONS.
03:18:43PM I WANT EVERYBODY TO PLAY BY THE SAME SET OF RULES.
03:18:46PM THAT IS WHAT I ASK YOU TO CONSIDER HERE.
03:18:48PM TAKE THE EVIDENCE THAT HAS BEEN STATED HERE AND JUST MAKE
03:18:51PM SURE EVERYBODY PLAYS BY THE RULES.
03:18:53PM I PERSONALLY DO NOT WANT THIS BUSINESS TO PERMANENTLY CLOSE
03:18:58PM AND LEAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
03:18:59PM VALUE TO THE HISTORY OF TAMPA AND A NEAT, COOL ESTABLISHMENT
03:19:04PM AS MANY PEOPLE FROM THE BUSINESS WILL SAY.
03:19:07PM I AGREE WITH THAT AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE CODES ARE BEING
03:19:10PM FOLLOWED AND CODES ARE BEING ENFORCED.
03:19:12PM AS FAR AS NOISE ORDINANCES, I WILL STATE ACCORDING IS A
03:19:18PM "CREATIVE LOAFING" ARTICLE PRIOR YEAR 2022, 6500 NOISE
03:19:23PM COMPLAINTS BUT ONLY 50 VIOLATIONS FOUND.
03:19:25PM I HAVE BEEN BEFORE THIS COUNCIL AS A SIDE NOTE FOR NOISE
03:19:29PM ISSUES.
03:19:30PM I WILL STATE THIS AGAIN, I WILL BE GLAD TO ATTACK AND CRAFT
03:19:33PM A BETTER NOISE ORDINANCE THAT SERVES BOTH BUSINESSES AND
03:19:36PM RESIDENTS.
03:19:37PM THAT IS NOT EVIDENCE RELATED TO THIS CASE BUT A BIGGER
03:19:41PM PICTURE I WOULD EN SCOURGE YOU TO LOOK AT SO WE CAN AVOID
03:19:45PM THIS FROM COMING TO A HEAD AND SOMETHING THAT IS MORE
03:19:48PM ENFORCEABLE AND AGREEABLE FOR YOUR TIME.
03:19:50PM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
03:19:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:19:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A QUESTION, AND I DON'T KNOW IF MISS
03:19:57PM JOHNSON-VELEZ OR MR. SEEL CAN ANSWER.
03:20:03PM NOISE TIME CONSTRAINTS ON THE SITE PLAN.
03:20:06PM AND THAT HAVEN'T BEEN DISCUSSED BEFORE.
03:20:09PM THERE IS NOISE RESTRICTIONS.
03:20:11PM >>ERIC COTTON: YES, MA'AM, IT SAYS 10 P.M. FOR OUTDOOR MUSIC
03:20:14PM -- OUTDOOR NOISE HAS TO STOP AT 10 P.M.
03:20:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK: EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.
03:20:20PM >>ERIC COTTON: YES, MA'AM.
03:20:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
03:20:22PM THANK YOU.
03:20:22PM >>ERIC COTTON: YOU ARE WELCOME.
03:20:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
03:20:26PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
03:20:29PM DEPARTMENT.
03:20:29PM FINALLY ASK MR. RICKY PETERIKA TO COME FORWARD.
03:20:34PM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
03:20:39PM RICKY PETERIKA, 501 EAST AMELIA AVENUE.
03:20:43PM I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
03:20:44PM I AM A NEIGHBOR IN TAMPA HEIGHTS.
03:20:46PM AND I AM A LICENSED LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT FOR THE STATE OF
03:20:51PM FLORIDA AND CERTIFIED PLANNER WITH THE AMERICAN PLANNING
03:20:54PM ASSOCIATION.
03:20:54PM AND I CHERISH AND HAVE FOR YEARS.
03:21:03PM PIZZA PLACE SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET FROM MY HOUSE.
03:21:10PM IT HAS A SIMILAR WET ZONE WITHOUT AN OUTDOOR CONSUMPTION
03:21:14PM AREA THAT HAS BEEN A PART OF MY WEEKLY LIFE FOR A LONG TIME
03:21:19PM NOW.
03:21:19PM I WELCOMED THE IDEA OF GRAND CATHEDRAL COMING INTO OUR
03:21:23PM NEIGHBORHOOD BEING ONLY A COUPLE OF BLOCKS FROM ME.
03:21:25PM AND I STILL DO.
03:21:27PM BUT AS A PRACTITIONER IN PERMITTING AND ENTITLEMENT THAT IS
03:21:34PM BEFORE YOU OFTEN, I AM PUZZLED AT SEVERAL THINGS THAT HAVE
03:21:39PM BEEN DISCUSSED AND HAVE BEEN OBSERVED.
03:21:40PM REGARDING NOISE.
03:21:44PM I PERSONALLY MADE A NOISE COMPLAINT, HEARING VERY ENJOYABLE
03:21:49PM LATIN MUSIC FROM MY BACK YARD BLOCKS AWAY.
03:21:57PM AND I ASKED COUNCILMAN MIRANDA OF THE LIST THAT WAS READ OF
03:22:01PM THE NOISE COMPLAINTS IF ANY OF THOSE EXCEED THE TEN-YEAR OR
03:22:05PM THE -- THE 10:00 TIME LINE -- APOLOGIZE.
03:22:09PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I BELIEVE I READ THEM INTO THE RECORD,
03:22:13PM DIDN'T I?
03:22:14PM >> DID YOU.
03:22:14PM I WANT TO POINT OUT WHILE THEY ARE CLEARED -- CLEARED OF
03:22:18PM CONFORMING WITH THE NOISE CONSTRAINTS, BUT A LIMIT, A 10
03:22:22PM P.M. LIMIT SHOULD THE NOISE EVER BE OCCURRING AT ALL.
03:22:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I BELIEVE I TRIED TO DO THAT WITHOUT
03:22:29PM REALIZING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
03:22:30PM >> I JUST WANT TO KIND OF SPEAK TO THAT.
03:22:33PM SECOND.
03:22:37PM THERE IS A PROVISION.
03:22:38PM SECTION 5 OF THE ORDINANCE -- ORDINANCE 22-34 THAT STATES
03:22:44PM THAT THE -- THE DEVELOPMENT SHALL BE BUILT OUT IN TWO YEARS
03:22:48PM FROM THE EFFECTIVE DATE.
03:22:49PM THE EFFECTIVE DATE IS EITHER FEBRUARY 17, 2022 WHEN IT WAS
03:22:56PM PASSED BY COUNCIL OR FEBRUARY 24, 2024.
03:23:00PM WE ARE NOW JANUARY 25, 2024.
03:23:06PM APPROXIMATELY 30 DAYS REMAINS PRIOR TO THE BUILD-OUT
03:23:13PM DEADLINE.
03:23:13PM AND PERMITS HAVE BEEN SOUGHT YESTERDAY FOR A CHANGE OF USE
03:23:19PM WORK THAT WILL, IN MY OPINION, SATISFY THE CERTIFICATE OF
03:23:25PM OCCUPANCY DEFICIENCY THAT THERE WAS A VERY RECENT NOTICE FOR
03:23:30PM IN THE LIST THAT MR. COTTON SHOWED US, SPECIFICALLY FAILURE
03:23:34PM TO OBTAIN A C.O.
03:23:37PM HAVING PERMITTED MANY PROJECTS IN THE CITY, ACTIVELY
03:23:40PM PERMITTING THEM NOW, I AM PUZZLED AT WHAT A SCENARIO OF
03:23:45PM UNPERMITTED WORK CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO PERMIT APPROVAL AND
03:23:53PM A C.O. HOW THAT CAN CONTRIBUTE TO A BUILD-OUT DEADLINE AT
03:23:58PM PART OF THE ORDINANCE.
03:23:59PM AND IT IS NOT MY EXPERTISE SPEAK HOW THAT WORKS, BUT I WANT
03:24:03PM TO MENTION THAT RELATIVE TO THE CHALLENGES AND PUZZLES THAT
03:24:09PM I HAVE AS A NEIGHBOR IN SUPPORT, BUT AS PRACTITIONER OF
03:24:14PM DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY AND I HOPE WE THINK COME OUT SOME
03:24:16PM WAY WITH THIS RESOLVED, BUT THIS IS NOT A NOT HOW I
03:24:23PM TYPICALLY APPROACH PROJECTS AND SURPRISED WE ARE HERE TODAY
03:24:27PM IN THIS CONTEXT.
03:24:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:24:30PM >> THANK YOU.
03:24:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. COTTON, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
03:24:35PM SOMEONE APPLIES FOR A PERMIT AS THE GENTLEMAN MENTIONED,
03:24:38PM PERMIT REQUIRED TO OBTAIN AN CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY NOT
03:24:43PM RELEVANT TO THIS CASE.
03:24:43PM HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO BE PROCESSED, DENIED OR APPROVED.
03:24:47PM >>ERIC COTTON: THE PERMIT ITSELF?
03:24:50PM ERIC COTTON, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
03:24:52PM I DON'T PROCESS PERMITS.
03:24:55PM I CAN'T GIVE YOU A DEFINITIVE ANSWER BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW.
03:24:59PM TIMING IS BASED ON WHEN THE INITIAL REVIEW COMES IN.
03:25:02PM WHAT THE CITY ASKS FOR, HOW COMPLETE THE ACTION IS, AND
03:25:05PM GOING BACK AND FORTH.
03:25:06PM IT COULD BE A MONTH.
03:25:07PM IT COULD BE A YEAR BEFORE SOMEBODY GETS EVERYTHING FINALIZED
03:25:12PM ON A CONSTRUCTION SITE.
03:25:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
03:25:14PM THANK YOU MUCH.
03:25:16PM >>ERIC COTTON: YOU ARE WELCOME.
03:25:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MISS SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, WHAT IS NEXT?
03:25:23PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, SUSAN
03:25:24PM JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
03:25:25PM AT THIS TIME, THE CITY HAS CONCLUDED THEIR INITIAL
03:25:28PM PRESENTATION, AND I WOULD LIKE TO RESERVE TIME FOR CLOSING
03:25:30PM REMARKS AFTER MR. BENTLEY PRESENTS HIS POSITION.
03:25:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO INTO PUBLIC COMMENT?
03:25:38PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: YES, SIR.
03:25:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. BENTLEY.
03:25:41PM YOUR REBUTTAL AND PRESENTATION.
03:25:43PM WE WILL HAVE CLOSING ARGUMENTS FROM MISS SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ
03:25:47PM AND OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
03:25:49PM I HAVE FOUR REGISTERED SPEAKER IS FOR THAT.
03:25:52PM >> I WILL GET REBUTTAL AS WELL.
03:25:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THIS IS YOUR CASE IN CHIEF, MR. BENTLEY.
03:25:58PM >> MARK BENTLEY, ONCE AGAIN.
03:27:31PM BY I GOT STARTED, I HAVE 1793 LETTERS IN SUPPORT.
03:27:37PM ONE OF THEM IS FROM CHRIS SULLIVAN, SULLIVAN ELEMENTARY
03:27:42PM SCHOOL THAT IS ACROSS THE STREET THEY ARE IN THIS BOX, AND I
03:27:48PM DON'T KNOW IF I DRAG THIS UP HERE.
03:27:50PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT IS NOT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE,
03:27:53PM ATTORNEY SHELBY.
03:27:53PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DEPENDS ON WHAT IT IS.
03:27:55PM ARE THEY THE ONES THAT CAME IN THROUGH E-MAIL SIGNED.
03:28:00PM >> 1700.
03:28:01PM I CAN'T VERIFY THAT THEY ALL MADE IT TO COUNCIL.
03:28:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE PAPER PETITION.
03:28:07PM IT IS A MIX.
03:28:08PM GO AHEAD, SIR.
03:28:12PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU HAVE A BOX THERE.
03:28:14PM >> YES, SIR.
03:28:16PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DO YOU WANT THE BOX?
03:28:17PM WITHOUT COUNCIL REVIEWING IT, I AM JUST WONDER WHAT ITS
03:28:22PM VALUE IS.
03:28:22PM >> THANK YOU, JUNIOR.
03:28:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT IS IN THE BOX?
03:28:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE PETITIONS.
03:28:36PM >> LETTERS OF SUPPORT.
03:28:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IF THESE ARE PETITIONS.
03:28:42PM THEN THOSE ARE PETITIONS.
03:28:43PM >> BEFORE I GET STARTED, I WANT TO TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT
03:28:53PM ABOUT LICENSING.
03:28:55PM I HAVE BEEN PRACTICING IN THE AREA OF ALCOHOL BEVERAGE
03:28:58PM LICENSING NOT JUST THE AB STUFF THAW GUYS HANDLE, BUT
03:29:02PM LICENSING TRANSACTION REPRESENTING BUFFALO WILD WINGS, RUTH
03:29:07PM CHRIS, MILLER'S ALE HOUSE, PIZZA HUT, PROBABLY HALF IN YBOR
03:29:13PM CITY.
03:29:13PM I THOUGHT THAT WAS IMPORTANT BECAUSE I THINK WHAT YOU HEARD
03:29:16PM TODAY WAS A LITTLE OFF THE MARK -- NO DISRESPECT TO THE CITY
03:29:20PM ATTORNEY.
03:29:20PM WE WILL GET INTO THAT.
03:29:21PM BUT YOU KNOW, IT IS UNFORTUNATE AND DISAPPOINTING THAT THE
03:29:27PM CITY IN ITS RUSH TO JUDGMENT KIND OF MISSED THAT ONE STEP
03:29:30PM AND DIDN'T GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE
03:29:33PM AND WENT STRAIGHT TO NOTICE OF INTENT WHICH IS VERY UNUSUAL
03:29:37PM AS I MENTIONED EARLIER.
03:29:38PM AND ON TOP OF THAT, THE CITY, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE,
03:29:43PM ORCHESTRATED TWO ALLEGED VIOLATIONS THAT BECAME THIS CASE.
03:29:48PM THE CLIENT IN THE EYES OF THE CITY THE FIRST-TIME OFFENDER.
03:29:52PM WE ARE NOT AN OFFENDER.
03:29:54PM THAT IS OUR POSITION AS I WILL DEMONSTRATE IN A FEW MINUTES.
03:29:57PM IT IS UNPRECEDENTED FOR THE CITY TO HIRE A PRIVATE
03:30:02PM INVESTIGATOR TO HIRE -- WHO WAS ACTING AS IF HE HAD THE
03:30:06PM AUTHORITY OF A TPD OFFICER.
03:30:08PM AT THE DRINKS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, THIS PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR
03:30:12PM KNOWINGLY COAX TWO SERVERS TO WILL HE LIVER DRINKS JUST
03:30:17PM OUTSIDE THE WET ZONE AREA PER MISS SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ'S
03:30:21PM DIRECTION.
03:30:21PM IN DOING SO OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARY, THE P.I. AS A PRIVATE
03:30:26PM CITIZEN HIMSELF BROKE THE LAW KNOWINGLY THAT HE WAS OUTSIDE
03:30:29PM THE BOUNDARY.
03:30:29PM HOWEVER UNBEKNOWNST TO THE PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR, HE WAS IN
03:30:34PM THE MIDDLE OF TWO CATERED EVENTS WHERE OUR CLIENTS 4HORNCOP
03:30:39PM A DUAL LICENSE AND I WILL EXPLAIN THAT AND ALLOWED SALES AND
03:30:44PM CONSUMPTION OUTSIDE THE WET ZONE BOUNDARY WHICH I WILL
03:30:48PM EXPLAIN.
03:30:49PM JUST BRIEFLY, THINK ABOUT -- THINK OF JULIAN B. LANE PARK
03:30:57PM RIVERFRONT CENTER.
03:30:59PM NOT WET ZONED BUT ALCOHOL SOLD WITH FOOD UNDER A CATER'S --
03:31:04PM I WANT TO STOP RIGHT THERE.
03:31:05PM WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY WAS TALKING ABOUT IS A C.T. LICENSE,
03:31:10PM CATERER'S LICENSE.
03:31:12PM YOU GO TO A WEDDING AND A CATERER IS SELLING ALCOHOL AND
03:31:16PM FOOD.
03:31:17PM THE C.T. LICENSE.
03:31:18PM OUR CLIENT DOESN'T HAVE A C.T. LICENSE BUT 4-COP WHICH THEY CALL
03:31:24PM THE MAC DADDY IN THE THIS AREA OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE
03:31:31PM LICENSING.
03:31:31PM WITH THE 4-COP, YOU CAN DO VIRTUAL LEAVE ANYTHING, 1-COP
03:31:35PM WHICH IS BEER.
03:31:36PM 2-COP WHICH IS BEER AND WINE.
03:31:39PM YOU CAN DO AN ABC LIQUOR IF YOU WANTED TO.
03:31:42PM YOU HAVE THAT 4-COP AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH C.
03:31:48PM K.T. CATER'S LICENSE, YOU CAN COMBINE THEM.
03:31:52PM I VERIFIED WITH THE COUNCIL OF ALCOHOLIC AND TOBACCO.
03:31:58PM THE DIVISION OF ALCOHOL.
03:32:00PM I EXPLAINED THE SCENARIO THAT OUR CLIENT IS OPERATING UNDER
03:32:03PM WITH THESE SPECIAL EVENTS AND HE CONFIRMED THAT WAS LEGAL.
03:32:06PM AND ACTUALLY ONCE YOU DO A CATERED EVENT IF YOU HAVE BEEN
03:32:09PM OUT THERE, YOU CAN SEEN SELL ALCOHOL IN THE PARKING LOT.
03:32:13PM I KNOW IT SOUNDS RIDICULOUS BUT THAT IS HOW IT WORKS.
03:32:16PM LIKE A MOBILE OPERATION.
03:32:18PM JULIAN B. LANE.
03:32:20PM HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN?
03:32:21PM THEY DON'T HAVE WET ZONING.
03:32:24PM THEY DON'T HAVE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
03:32:25PM THEY HIRE A CATERER FOR THAT SPECIAL EVENT.
03:32:28PM THEY SELL ALCOHOL.
03:32:29PM AND THEY SELL FOOD.
03:32:30PM AND THERE IS A 51% REQUIREMENT ONCE YOU IMPLEMENT OR PLACE
03:32:34PM YOUR CATERER'S LICENSE WITH THE LOCATION.
03:32:43PM GASPARILLA, AND NOT COMMERCIAL, NOT WITH ET ZONE.
03:32:48PM YOU USE A CATERER'S LICENSE.
03:32:50PM SO WHAT I SAID WITH THIS P.I. HE DIDN'T REALIZED HE WAS IN
03:32:54PM THE MIDDLE OF TWO CATERED EVENT INNED MIDDLE OF THE
03:32:58PM CONTRACTOR.
03:32:59PM THE CONTRACT AND THE FLYERS AND THEY WERE CHARITABLE EVENTS
03:33:02PM AS WELL.
03:33:02PM I WANT TO CLARIFY, THESE ARE SLIDES 3.
03:33:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU ARE SHOWING THE SAME SLIDE.
03:33:16PM >> I WANT TO CLARIFY A MISTAKE THAT THE CITY MADE IN THE
03:33:19PM NOTICE OF INTENT WITH SLIDES 3 AND 4.
03:33:22PM THE CITY'S NOTICE OF INTENT SAYS THAT THE P.I. CONSUMED
03:33:29PM DRINKS IN THE WET ZONE AREA BUT THE TWO REPORTS NEVER
03:33:33PM MENTIONED CONSUMPTION.
03:33:34PM WHEN YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT THE P.I. DID OR DIDN'T DO, HE ONLY
03:33:38PM PURCHASED ONE DRINK ON NOVEMBER 11, IT APPEARS, OUTSIDE THE
03:33:42PM WET ZONE AREA.
03:33:43PM AND YOU GUYS GOT IT RIGHT.
03:33:45PM THAT ONE AREA WHERE HE BOUGHT THE INITIAL DRINK, THAT WAS
03:33:48PM THE LEGAL AREA, OKAY.
03:33:49PM THEN 18th, AT THE DIRECTION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY WENT OUT
03:33:55PM THERE AND ORDERED DRINKS ON THE PATIO.
03:33:58PM THE END OF THE STORY.
03:34:00PM WE ARE HERE FOR FOUR DRINKS ON THE PATIO AND THESE TWO YOUNG
03:34:06PM SERVERS OUT THERE.
03:34:07PM THAT IS NO EXCUSE.
03:34:09PM MY CLIENT'S OBLIGATION IS TO EDUCATE THESE PEOPLE WHERE THE
03:34:14PM PARAMETERS OF THE WET EXIST.
03:34:18PM THIS CASE IS THREE OR FOUR DRINKS BY COAXING BY THE P.I.
03:34:24PM IF THE CITY WOULD HAVE GIVEN US NOTICE TO CORRECT, WE
03:34:28PM WOULDN'T BE HERE AND THE TAXPAYERS WOULDN'T BE STUCK WITH
03:34:30PM THE BILL FOR THE P.I. AND WASTING CITY'S TIME AND
03:34:35PM RESOURCES, STAFF AND TWO OR THREE LAWYERS YOU HAVE WITH YOU
03:34:38PM TODAY.
03:34:38PM SLIDE 5, PLEASE.
03:34:41PM ALSO, I WANT CITY COUNCIL TO REALIZE THAT WHILE THIS MATTER
03:34:48PM IS BEING SORTED OUT, THE CLIENT IS NOT USING THE PATIO AREA
03:34:52PM AND HAS CEASED USING THE PATIO SINCE DECEMBER 11.
03:34:57PM ONE QUALIFICATION, FUENTE HAD A COMPANY LUNCHEON WHERE NO
03:35:05PM ALCOHOL WAS SERVED AND THERE WASN'T ANY MUSIC.
03:35:08PM I WANT TO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR CLIENT.
03:35:11PM SOME OF THE MORE POSITIVE THINGS YOU WILL HEAR TODAY IS THEY
03:35:14PM REPURPOSED 118-YEAR-OLD CHURCH INTO THE NUMBER ONE CIGAR
03:35:19PM LOUNGE IN THE WORLD AS VOTED BY CIGAR MAGAZINE LAST
03:35:23PM YEAR.
03:35:23PM SINCE OPENING IN JANUARY 2021, THE BUSINESS HAS GENERATED
03:35:29PM $800,000 IN SALES TAX REVENUE IN TURN DIRECTLY IMPACT
03:35:33PM VARIOUS LOCAL SERVICES OF EDUCATION, TRANSPORTATION AND
03:35:36PM MORE.
03:35:36PM GRAND CATHEDRAL IS A WEDDING, FUND RAISING EVENTS,
03:35:42PM FUNERALS, CORPORATE GATHERINGS AND OTHER EVENTS.
03:35:46PM >> THIS PARTNER WITH SEVERAL LOCAL AND NATIONAL BUSINESSES,
03:35:49PM INTERNATIONAL CONVENTIONS WITH SOCON AND SOFIC.
03:35:54PM EXAMPLES CHARITY FUNDRAISERS BENEFITING LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS
03:35:58PM INCLUDE 2022 TPD MOUNTED PATROL FUNDRAISER RAISED $1 20,000.
03:36:04PM 2023 SMOKING SHIELD SUMMIT RAISED $52,000.
03:36:08PM SMOKING SHIELD, THIS YEAR IN DECEMBER, $22,000.
03:36:12PM TAMPA POLICE EXPLORERS.
03:36:15PM ON AND ON AND ON.
03:36:16PM THE SCOPE OF THIS HEARING IS SET FORTH IN THE NOTICE OF
03:36:20PM INTENT, WHICH WAS CONFIRMED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY BEFORE WE
03:36:24PM GOT TO THE HEARING.
03:36:24PM HERE ARE THE TWO ISSUES BEFORE COUNCIL WHEN YOU JUST BREAK
03:36:28PM IT DOWN.
03:36:28PM WHETHER WERE TWO UNLAWFUL SALES AND CONSUMPTIONS OUTSIDE
03:36:33PM THE AB BOUNDARY ON NOVEMBER 11.
03:36:35PM SECOND ISSUE, UNLAWFUL SALES AND CONSUMPTION OUTSIDE OF
03:36:40PM THE AB BOUNDARY ON NOVEMBER 18.
03:36:41PM WE KNOW THAT THE P.I. NEVER PUT IN HIS REPORT IT WAS
03:36:45PM CONSUMPTION.
03:36:46PM IT WAS JUST SALES.
03:36:47PM I AM NOT SURE WHAT HIS TESTIMONY IS TODAY, BUT NOTICE OF
03:36:51PM INTENT CONTRADICTS THE P.I.'S REPORT FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH.
03:36:56PM OUR CONTENTION IS THAT ON EACH DAY, THE CATERED EVENT WAS
03:36:59PM TAKING PLACE UNDER THE CLIENT'S STATE LICENSES, 4-COP AND
03:37:03PM THE C.A.T.
03:37:07PM THAT CATERING FOOD ONLY.
03:37:09PM UP PARTNER THAT UP WITH THE 4-COP YOU HAVE A CATEGORY ERRED
03:37:13PM EVENT.
03:37:14PM ANY SALES OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARY ORDINANCE WAS LAWFUL WITH
03:37:17PM STATE BEVERAGE LAW WITH RESPECT TO CATERING PREEMPTS FOR
03:37:21PM TRUMPS LOCAL LAW.
03:37:22PM THESE EVENTS WERE NOVEMBER 11 WHICH WAS VETERAN'S DAY.
03:37:27PM NOVEMBER 18, EMPLOYEE HOLIDAY PARTY SO UNBEKNOWNST TO
03:37:33PM THE P.I. HE WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THESE TWO CATERED EVENT.
03:37:36PM THE LEGALITY OF THE CATERING LICENSE WAS CONFIRMED BY CHIEF
03:37:41PM COUNSEL JET BALDWIN DURING A TELEPHONE CONVERSATION.
03:37:46PM THE CITY INTENDED TO BRING THE DIVISION OF ALCOHOL HERE TO
03:37:50PM TESTIFY ON THEIR BEHALF.
03:37:53PM AND HE REFUSED TO LET THEM TESTIFY IN THE CITY'S BEHALF.
03:37:57PM HE FELT UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE CITY'S POSITION ON THIS
03:38:00PM MATTER.
03:38:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SAY THAT AGAIN, WHO?
03:38:03PM >> THE CHIEF COUNSEL FOR THE DIVISION OF ALCOHOL PROHIBIT
03:38:06PM ANYONE FROM TAMPA DIVISION OFFICE FROM TESTIFYING TODAY
03:38:10PM BECAUSE HE FELT UNCOMFORTABLE --
03:38:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, I JUST --
03:38:17PM >> HE FELT UNCOMFORTABLE HAVING SOMEONE TESTIFY WHEN THEY
03:38:21PM DIDN'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH THE CITY'S POSITION WITH
03:38:23PM RESPECT TO THE CATERING LICENSE.
03:38:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: DOES THAT MEAN HE WOULD TESTIFY BECAUSE
03:38:29PM IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
03:38:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE.
03:38:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND, AND I WILL TAKE --
03:38:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A QUESTION THEN.
03:38:40PM WHY DIDN'T HE TESTIFYING FOR YOU?
03:38:44PM >> NUMBER ONE, I HAVE HIS POSITION.
03:38:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS JUST WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
03:38:47PM I DON'T HAVE ANY -- YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PROOF.
03:38:49PM >> I HAVE AN E-MAIL SAYING.
03:38:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IN THE RECORD.
03:38:53PM >> PEOPLE ARE PROHIBITED FOR SHARING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.
03:38:58PM >> SURE, ASHLEY?
03:39:00PM WHILE ASHLEY IS DIGGING THAT UP --
03:39:09PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHILE SHE IS DOING THAT, CAN I ASK A
03:39:12PM QUESTION?
03:39:13PM WHY WOULD YOU SAY THE INVESTIGATOR WAS
03:39:15PM COAXED?
03:39:16PM HOW WOULD YOU KNOW?
03:39:18PM >> HE SAID HE WENT TO ON THE 11th AND BOUGHT A TIKI BAR.
03:39:23PM HE BOUGHT AN LEGAL DRINK IN THE WET ZONE AREA.
03:39:28PM HE WENT IN THE PATIO -- ACTUALLY HE SAID THAT DURING THE
03:39:32PM SYSTEM, HE WENT LIKE THAT.
03:39:33PM ACTUALLY WHAT HAPPENED, HE WENT OUT THERE INITIALLY ON THE
03:39:36PM PATIO, AND HE TESTIFIED HE COULDN'T GET ANYONE'S ATTENTION.
03:39:40PM HE WENT TO THE TIKI BAR.
03:39:42PM BOUGHT A LEGAL DRINK, CARRIED IT OUT AND WAVED THE YOUNG
03:39:47PM SERVER, COME ON OUT, I WANT A SECOND DRINK.
03:39:50PM THAT WAS THE END OF THAT NIGHT.
03:39:52PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT IS NOT UNUSUAL FOR A PERSON, YOU
03:39:54PM KNOW, THAT IS A SERVER BEING CALLED OVER FOR SERVICE.
03:39:56PM THE AREA WHERE THE KIOSK IS LOCATED.
03:39:59PM IS ANY SERVER AWARE OF THE LOCATION OF THE DRINKS THAT THEY
03:40:05PM DELIVER FROM THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION WHERE THE KIOSK IS?
03:40:09PM >> ACCORDING MY CLIENT, THEY ARE NOW.
03:40:11PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THEY ARE NOW.
03:40:13PM BUT WERE THEY THEN.
03:40:14PM >> I JUST GOT RETAINED TO DEFEND THESE --
03:40:18PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: UNDERSTOOD.
03:40:19PM THE TWO FLYERS.
03:40:20PM IF YOU GAVE US 1,000 BOXES OF LETTERS OF SUPPORT.
03:40:24PM WHERE ARE THE CONTRACTS FOR OF THE TWO CATEGORY ERRED EVENTS
03:40:26PM FOR THAT DAY.
03:40:27PM DID YOU PROVIDE THOSE?
03:40:29PM >> YES
03:40:32PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SO QUICKLY, PROVIDED 1500 LETTERS.
03:40:35PM YOU SHOULD SHOW US THE CONTRACT.
03:40:36PM DOES IT MEAN ANYTHING OF THE VIOLATION OF WHERE THE DRINKS
03:40:40PM WERE SERVED ON THE PATIO THAT CLEARLY THEY HAVE A PERMIT.
03:40:44PM >> YES IT DOES UNDER STATE LAW, A CATERED EVENT AND YOU ARE
03:40:48PM AUDITED BY THE STATE ANNUALLY.
03:40:50PM IF UP A CATERED EVENT, YOU CAN SELL ANYWHERE AT THAT -- YOU
03:40:57PM PLACE YOUR CATERING LICENSE -- THE 4-COP AND C.A.T. LICENSE,
03:41:03PM PLACE IT AT ANY PARTY.
03:41:05PM YOU CAN HAVE A PARTY AT MY HOUSE WITH THE 4-COP AND C.A.T.
03:41:10PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I UNDERSTAND THAT.
03:41:12PM THE EXAMPLES YOU USED SPECIAL EVENTS AT THE PARK JULIAN B.
03:41:17PM LANE AND GASPARILLA.
03:41:18PM THE CIGAR -- THE CATHEDRAL IS A BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT THAT
03:41:21PM SELLS ALCOHOL AND IT IS NOT JUST FOR CATERING SPECIAL
03:41:26PM EVENTS.
03:41:26PM THEY HAVE BUSINESS WHERE THEY ARE SERVING ALCOHOL ALL THE
03:41:29PM TIME.
03:41:29PM I UNDERSTAND.
03:41:30PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ARE YOU STANDING BEFORE US SAYING THAT
03:41:32PM THEY DO NOT SERVE ALCOHOL ON THAT PATIO?
03:41:36PM >> NO, MA'AM.
03:41:36PM I AM SAYING --
03:41:38PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: NEVER DO THAT OUTSIDE OF CATERED EVENTS?
03:41:41PM >> I CAN'T SAY THAT.
03:41:41PM HERE AGAIN, I AM KIND OF --
03:41:44PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I KNOW.
03:41:45PM >> I JUST GOT INVOLVED.
03:41:46PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WANT TO GET TO THE POINT OF
03:41:48PM UNDERSTANDING ARE THEY IN VIOLATION.
03:41:50PM THAT IS WHAT I AM TRYING TO GET THE VIOLATION.
03:41:53PM >> ALL I CAN TELL YOU WHEN THEY HAVE A SPECIAL CATERED
03:41:57PM EVENT, OKAY, THERE IS CONSUMPTION ON THE PATIO, OKAY.
03:42:02PM THERE ARE SALES CONSUMMATED WITH A GUY GOING LIKE THAT ON
03:42:05PM THE PATIO.
03:42:06PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY.
03:42:07PM ONE MORE QUESTION.
03:42:07PM DO YOU HAVE ANYONE FROM GRAND CATHEDRAL THAT CAN STAND
03:42:11PM BEFORE US AND SAY THEY DO NOT SERVE ALCOHOL ON THAT PATIO
03:42:15PM AND THAT THEY ARE NEVER IN VIOLATION?
03:42:18PM >> NO, I DON'T RIGHT NOW, OKAY.
03:42:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
03:42:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT FOR CLARITY YOU MENTIONED A COUPLE
03:42:24PM OF THINGS AND WANT TO CLEAR THE RECORD -- IN MY MIND ANYWAY.
03:42:27PM PI -- THE PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR THAT WAS ASSIGNED TO THAT
03:42:32PM OPERATION WHOEVER HIRED HIM, THE CITY, WHATEVER, IS IT
03:42:36PM COINCIDENTAL YOU HAD TWO EVENTS FOR CATERING AND THOSE WERE
03:42:40PM THE TWO EVENTS THAT HE WENT TO?
03:42:42PM >> THEY HAVE SO MANY EVENTS -- IT WAS COINCIDENTAL.
03:42:45PM NOT --
03:42:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: JUST ASKING THAT IN MY MIND.
03:42:48PM WHEN I HEARD THE DISCUSSION AND I SAID LET ME UNDERSTAND
03:42:51PM THIS.
03:42:51PM TWO EVENTS.
03:42:52PM YOU DIDN'T MENTION IF YOU HAD ANY BETWEEN EVENT ONE AND
03:42:56PM EVENT TWO FROM YOUR RECORDS OR THE COMPANY'S RECORD OF THE
03:43:00PM CATHEDRAL, WHATEVER IT IS CALLED.
03:43:01PM >> YEAH.
03:43:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: COINCIDENTALLY -- AGAIN COINCIDENTALLY,
03:43:06PM THE P.I. WAS AT BOTH OF THOSE.
03:43:09PM >> YES, SIR.
03:43:09PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY OTHER EVENTS.
03:43:11PM DOES ANYBODY KNOW THAT?
03:43:13PM >> MR. MIRANDA, IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES, IF I SIT DOWN AND TALK
03:43:17PM TO MY CLIENT, I CAN SORT THAT OUT FOR YOU.
03:43:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:43:21PM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU ARE DESCRIBING STATE LAW IN HAVING
03:43:29PM CATERED EVENTS.
03:43:30PM THE CITY TESTIFIED THAT -- THAT THE ESTABLISHMENT SHOULD
03:43:34PM HAVE APPLIED FOR AN EVENT LICENSE CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY THAT
03:43:41PM STATE LAW EXCEEDS.
03:43:43PM >> THIS IS INTERESTING.
03:43:44PM THIS GOT SO CONVOLUTED.
03:43:48PM TESTIMONY FROM ERIC AND MISS SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ.
03:43:51PM THEY TALKED ABOUT -- YOU CAN DO THIS 12 TIMES A YEAR.
03:43:55PM EXTENSION OF LICENSE PREMISE.
03:43:57PM GO TO CARRABAS AND A PARTY.
03:44:00PM DIVISION OF ALCOHOL TAMPA DOESN'T HAVE TO BE CATERED.
03:44:10PM YOU CAN USE YOUR PARKING LOT TO SELL ALCOHOL.
03:44:12PM A CATERED EVENT, YOU CAN PUT ANY PARTICULAR ADDRESS AND YOU
03:44:17PM CAN SELL AND CONSUME AT AN ADDRESS.
03:44:19PM YOU ARE NOT CONFINED TO ANY LOCAL ORDINANCE OR ANYTHING LIKE
03:44:22PM THAT.
03:44:22PM AND THE CLIENT DID THE FIRST YEAR AND DIVISION OF ALCOHOL
03:44:29PM HAS BEEN OUT THERE A NUMBER OF TIMES AND NEVER FOUND A
03:44:32PM VIOLATION.
03:44:32PM SO THE FIRST YEAR IS PRETTY MUCH LIKE CATERED EVENT AND THEY
03:44:36PM ARE OPERATING ON WHAT IS CALLED A CT LICENSE.
03:44:39PM THAT IS A CATER'S LICENSE OUT THERE UNTIL THEY BOUGHT THEIR
03:44:43PM 4-COP IN 2023 FOR $330,000.
03:44:47PM ONE WASN'T AVAILABLE AT THE TIME THEY OPENED, SO THEY WERE
03:44:50PM OPERATING ON A CATERER'S LICENSE, A C.A.T.
03:44:55PM THAT IS WHAT MISS SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN.
03:44:59PM A DIFFERENT BETWEEN A C.T. AND A C.A.T.
03:45:02PM THAT IS WHAT MY CLIENT HAS A C.A.T. AND 4-COP.
03:45:07PM >>BILL CARLSON: ANOTHER QUESTION.
03:45:09PM YOU PRINTED SOME OF YOUR CREDENTIALS.
03:45:11PM YOU ARE WELL KNOWN IN THE COMMUNITY AND NO ONE WILL QUESTION
03:45:14PM YOUR CREDENTIALS.
03:45:16PM YOU SAID YOU WERE WORKING FOR THEM IN A SHORT PERIOD OF
03:45:19PM TIME.
03:45:20PM BASED ON THE TESTIMONY THAT WE HEARD, AND I DON'T REMEMBER
03:45:22PM THE TERMS FOR THE LICENSES.
03:45:24PM BEFORE THEY HIRED YOU, THEY WERE PRETTY LOOSE ABOUT GETTING
03:45:28PM -- OCCUPATIONAL LICENSE, THE -- DIFFERENT APPROVALS.
03:45:31PM ALSO THEY COULD HAVE APPLIED FOR A PERMIT FOR THE FOR THE
03:45:39PM EASTERN HALF AND PATIO AREA.
03:45:44PM THE DIFFERENT STRATEGY.
03:45:46PM BEFORE YOU GOT IN, THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE ADVICE I AM GETTING
03:45:50PM THEM NOW.
03:45:50PM AND WHAT CAN WE DO GOING FORWARD.
03:45:57PM >> WHAT HAPPENED IS -- THIS WAS A WALK-ON ITEM ON NOVEMBER
03:46:01PM 14.
03:46:01PM AND NOTICE OF INTENT DIDN'T GO OUT UNTIL THE 22nd, THE EVE
03:46:06PM OF CHRISTMAS.
03:46:06PM GOT HAND-DELIVERED BY JUNIOR -- CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG --
03:46:10PM >> DECEMBER 8.
03:46:11PM >> DECEMBER 8, OKAY.
03:46:13PM I AM SORRY.
03:46:14PM OKAY.
03:46:17PM ASH -- GOT DELIVERED ON THE 8.
03:46:23PM >> NOTICE OF INTENT.
03:46:24PM NO HEARING DATE SET.
03:46:26PM >> YES, EXACTLY.
03:46:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAD A CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON
03:46:30PM DECEMBER 1.
03:46:31PM >> LET ME BACK UP.
03:46:34PM IT IS IMPORTANT.
03:46:35PM DECEMBER 8, JUNIOR DELIVERS A NOTE OF INTENT TO OUR CLIENT.
03:46:40PM DECEMBER 14, A WALK-ON ITEM.
03:46:45PM BUT THE NOTICE OF INTENT DIDN'T GO OUT UNTIL THE 22nd.
03:46:48PM I GOT RETAINED SOMEWHERE AROUND CHRISTMASTIME, ALL RIGHT.
03:46:52PM A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS I THINK ARE IMPORTANT BUT THE FACTS
03:46:55PM -- OBVIOUSLY I DON'T HAVE A GOOD EXAMPLE OF A HISTORY OR
03:46:59PM ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
03:46:59PM THE DIALOGUE BETWEEN MISS JOHNSON JOHNSON-VELEZ AND THE
03:47:05PM OTHER ATTORNEY REPRESENTING MY CLIENT.
03:47:07PM IF YOU LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT.
03:47:09PM IT SAYS, HEY, I TALK TO DIVISION OF ALCOHOL, ALL RIGHT.
03:47:13PM AND THEY ARE ON BOARD WITH MY EXEMPTION.
03:47:16PM AND MISS SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ SAID WE DISAGREE WITH YOU.
03:47:22PM IF YOU WANT TO MEET, WE WILL GLADLY MEET AND THE END OF THE
03:47:26PM DISCUSSION.
03:47:26PM ALWAYS THIS TENSION OR DEBATE ABOUT THE CATER'S LICENSE.
03:47:30PM ALL RIGHT.
03:47:31PM SO I AM TELLING YOU WHAT I KNOW BASED ON MY CONVERSATION
03:47:34PM WITH THE STATE COUNSEL LAST MONDAY.
03:47:38PM AND YOU TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH.
03:47:44PM I FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE WITH MY LEGAL POSITION ON THIS.
03:47:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
03:47:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST -- YOU SAID YOU HAVE AN E-MAIL THAT
03:47:50PM SAID THAT THEY WOULDN'T SUPPORT THIS.
03:47:53PM BUT ALL IT SAYS IS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN DIRECTED NOT TO
03:47:57PM TESTIFY OR PARTICIPATE.
03:47:58PM THAT DOESN'T SAY THAT THEY FEEL ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
03:48:01PM YOU SAID THAT THEY FELT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
03:48:03PM BUT THIS E-MAIL SIMPLY SAYS THEY ARE NOT GOING TO
03:48:07PM PARTICIPATE.
03:48:07PM >> WELL THE BACKSTORY IS --
03:48:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHERE IS THE BACKSTORY IN THE E-MAIL.
03:48:11PM >> THE BACKSTORY IS NOT IN THE E-MAIL.
03:48:14PM YOU ARE DEALING WITH A STATE AGENCY.
03:48:15PM THEY ARE REALLY NOT GOING TO SAY TOO MUCH, OKAY.
03:48:18PM I CALLED THE ATTORNEY.
03:48:19PM I SAID DID YOU REALIZE THAT SOME OF YOUR EMPLOYEES DOWN IN
03:48:21PM TAMPA WERE GOING TO TESTIFY AT A HEARING, A PUBLIC HEARING.
03:48:24PM HE SAID THEY CAN'T DO THAT.
03:48:25PM YOU KNOW, WE DON'T ALLOW THAT.
03:48:28PM SO WHAT HAPPENED IS THEY -- THEY CONTACTED LOCAL OFFICE HERE
03:48:33PM AND SAID YOU CAN'T GET INVOLVED AND THAT IS THE END OF THAT.
03:48:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO PERIOD, THEY CAN'T GET INVOLVED.
03:48:38PM THEY ARE NOT GETTING INVOLVED BECAUSE THEY THINK IT IS A
03:48:41PM POOR CASE.
03:48:42PM THEY JUST SIMPLY NEVER GET INVOLVED IS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
03:48:45PM >> I REALLY DON'T KNOW IF THEY NEVER GET INVOLVED.
03:48:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS WHAT YOU JUST SAID, THAT THEY DON'T
03:48:53PM GET INVOLVED.
03:48:54PM ANYWAY.
03:48:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MISS JOHNSON-JOHNSON-VELEZ, I HAVE A QUICK
03:49:03PM QUESTION.
03:49:03PM WITH WHAT HE IS SAYING, HE IS SAYING THAT ANYONE IN THIS
03:49:09PM CITY CAN GET A CATERING LICENSE AND DO WHATEVER THEY WANT
03:49:12PM WITH ALCOHOL.
03:49:13PM IS THAT THE CASE?
03:49:15PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
03:49:17PM DEPARTMENT.
03:49:18PM PERHAPS MR. COTTON CAN ADDRESS THAT AS WELL.
03:49:20PM MY UNDERSTANDING EVEN IF YOU HAVE A CATERING LICENSE, YOU
03:49:23PM HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST A TEMPORARY PERMIT TO SELL ALCOHOL IN
03:49:26PM THE AREAS YOU ARE GOING TO SELL ALCOHOL.
03:49:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MR. COTTON.
03:49:30PM >>ERIC COTTON: ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
03:49:33PM THERE ARE TWO LAYERS OF ALCOHOL.
03:49:36PM STATE LEVEL WITH THE 4-COP THAT PLEASE MR. BENTLEY AND
03:49:43PM THE C.T. AND C.A.T.
03:49:44PM LOCAL LEVELING CHAPTER 27, ONE OF THE PROVISIONS IF YOU ARE
03:49:48PM -- AND THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD BY THE STATE OF
03:49:53PM FLORIDA.
03:49:53PM IF ANY CONSIDERATION IS BEING GIVEN FOR AN EVENT, UNLESS IT
03:49:57PM IS A PRIVATE PARTY WHERE NO -- NO TICKETS ARE SOLD.
03:50:04PM YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY THE ALCOHOL SUCH AS WEDDING.
03:50:06PM THE -- THE CATERER CAN PROVIDE -- CAN POUR THE ALCOHOL.
03:50:13PM THE MINUTE YOU START CHARGING OR SAY YOU NEED TO MAKE A
03:50:16PM DONATION AND THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER THING.
03:50:19PM A LOCAL AB PERMIT FROM THE CITY AND THAT GOES ON THERE.
03:50:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HIS EXAMPLE OF JULIAN B. LANE.
03:50:31PM PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING CATERERS STILL HAVE TO GET AN EVENT
03:50:35PM PERMIT.
03:50:36PM >>ERIC COTTON: CORRECT.
03:50:37PM THAT WILL BE PROCESSED THROUGH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.
03:50:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT.
03:50:41PM THANK YOU.
03:50:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
03:50:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THERE A QUOTATION OF THE STATUTES OF THE
03:50:46PM DIFFERENT BETWEEN COMPLIMENTARY LIQUOR AND CHARGED LIQUOR
03:50:49PM FOR CATERERS.
03:50:51PM THAT SITUATION YOU JUST DEFINED.
03:50:53PM DO YOU HAVE A CITATION OR SOMETHING THAT DIFFERENTIATES
03:50:59PM THAT?
03:50:59PM >>ERIC COTTON: NO.
03:51:00PM >> I CAN ADDRESS THAT.
03:51:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
03:51:04PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I JUST WANTED TO -- JUST BY WAY OF
03:51:08PM PARTIALLY ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION.
03:51:09PM SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
03:51:11PM I UNDERSTAND THE DISTINCTION YOU ARE ASKING FOR,
03:51:16PM COMPLIMENTARY WHERE YOU DON'T CHARGE, SALE LIQUOR, BUT THE
03:51:19PM NOTE ON THE SITE PLAN SAYS NO ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES.
03:51:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE REASON WHY I ASKED THAT.
03:51:24PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: DOESN'T MATTER.
03:51:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEY ARE MAKING A POSITION BECAUSE THEY
03:51:28PM HAVE THE STATE LICENSE, THAT THEY ARE PERMITTED TO -- TO --
03:51:33PM TO USE THAT STATE LICENSE ANYWHERE THAT THEY -- THAT THEY
03:51:37PM WANT ON THIS PROPERTY.
03:51:39PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STATUTE SECTION
03:51:41PM THAT ALLOWS THAT.
03:51:43PM BUT I WILL LET THEM ADDRESS THAT IF PERHAPS YOU CAN.
03:51:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU HAVE SOME CITATION SHOWING THE
03:51:51PM PREEMPTION ON THAT?
03:51:54PM >> IT IS -- IT IS IN MY SLIDES HERE.
03:51:55PM I AM GOING TO GET --
03:51:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL BE PATIENT AND WAIT FOR IT.
03:51:59PM >> YEAH.
03:52:01PM LET'S GO TO SLIDE SIX, ASHLEY.
03:52:04PM THIS IS THE FIRST CATERED EVENT ON NOVEMBER 11, VETERANS DAY
03:52:14PM AND HERE IS THE CONTRACT.
03:52:15PM ASHLEY, NEXT ONE, PLEASE.
03:52:17PM HERE IS THE CONTRACT FOR THE NEXT CATERED EVENT.
03:52:23PM AND THEN ON THE 8th, SLIDE 8, HERE IS THE LICENSES THE
03:52:28PM CLIENT HAS AT THE PROPERTY.
03:52:29PM THE IMPORTANT ONES ARE THE MIDDLE ONE.
03:52:31PM A C.A.T. YOU CAN SEE LICENSE.
03:52:34PM THAT IS A CATER'S-FOR FOOD ONLY.
03:52:38PM THEN THEY HAVE A 4-COP, DUAL LICENSE, OKAY.
03:52:43PM IF YOU CATER FOOD AND YOU HAVE A 4-COP LIKE I SAID AT THE
03:52:49PM BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION, YOU CAN DO ANYTHING ALLOWED
03:52:52PM UNDER STATE BEVERAGE LAW IN TERMS OF SALES, WHETHER IT BEER
03:52:55PM ONLY, BEER AND WINE OR AN ABC LIQUOR OR A CATERED EVENT,
03:53:01PM OKAY, THAT IS HOW THAT WORKS.
03:53:02PM LIKE I SAID, ABT HAS BEEN THERE A NUMBER OF TIMES AND NEVER
03:53:09PM FIND ANY VIOLATION OF THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LAWS AT THE
03:53:12PM PROPERTY.
03:53:13PM SO SLIDE 9 SAYS -- THIS IS FLORIDA STATUTE GOVERNING
03:53:20PM CATERERS OR CATERED EVENTS, I AM SORRY, NOT WITHSTANDING ANY
03:53:26PM LAW OF A LICENSE UNDER 565 MAY WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL
03:53:31PM LICENSURE UNDER THIS PARAGRAPH SERVE OR SELL ALCOHOLIC
03:53:36PM BEVERAGES ON THE PREMISES OF A CATERED EVENT OF WHICH
03:53:40PM PREPARED FOOD IS PROVIDE BY A CATERER.
03:53:42PM SAYS WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL LICENSURE YOU WILL SERVE AND
03:53:46PM SELL ALCOHOL AT A CATERED EVENT.
03:53:48PM THEN ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF A CATERED EVENT IS NOT ONLY
03:53:52PM THE AUDITING, BUT YOU HAVE TO BUY FROM A RETAILER, NOT A
03:53:57PM WHOLESALER.
03:53:58PM YOU HAVE TO GET RID OF THE ALCOHOL AFTER THE EVENT, OKAY,
03:54:02PM HAS TO BE 51%.
03:54:03PM NOT NECESSARILY FOOD -- FOOD AND NONALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
03:54:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM?
03:54:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE SENTENCE AFTER THAT SAYS "IF A LICENSEE
03:54:13PM UNDER THIS SUBJECT PARAGRAPH POSSESS ANY OTHER LICENSE UNDER
03:54:18PM THE BEVERAGE LAW, THE LICENSE ISSUED MAY NOT AUTHORIZE THE
03:54:22PM HOLDER TO CONDUCT ACTIVITIES ON THE PREMISE OF THE OTHER
03:54:26PM LICENSES THAT WILL APPLY THAT WILL BE PROHIBITED BY THE
03:54:29PM LICENSE OR THE BEVERAGE LAW."
03:54:32PM >> GREAT QUESTION.
03:54:33PM THEY DON'T HAVE ANOTHER LICENSE.
03:54:35PM THEY HAVE A 4-COP.
03:54:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS A LICENSE.
03:54:39PM >> YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING CON TARRY TO ANOTHER LICENSE.
03:54:41PM YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO.
03:54:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT THEIR LICENSE IS BASED ON THE SITE PLAN?
03:54:48PM >> THAT IS THE CONFLICT HERE.
03:54:49PM WHAT I AM TELLING YOU THERE IS PREEMPTION -- A STATE CATERED
03:54:54PM EVENT PREEMPTS LOCAL ORDINANCE.
03:54:57PM WE ARE GETTING CONFUSED ON THAT.
03:54:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, I AM NOT CONFUSED.
03:55:00PM >> I THINK YOU ARE, MA'AM, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT.
03:55:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE SENTENCE RIGHT AFTER THAT SAYS THIS
03:55:08PM EXCEPTION DOES NOT PERMIT THE LICENSEE TO CONDUCT ACTIVITIES
03:55:11PM THAT ARE OTHERWISE PROHIBITED BY THE BEVERAGE OR LOCAL LAW.
03:55:15PM >> IT IS A CATERED EVENT.
03:55:17PM IT IS NOT PROHIBITED.
03:55:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK: PROHIBITED BY LOCAL LAW TO SERVE ALCOHOL
03:55:23PM ON RM-24 SITE -- PLOT OF LAND.
03:55:26PM >> HERE AGAIN, JULIAN LANE IS NOT COMMERCIAL.
03:55:28PM THERE IS NO WET ZONING, RIGHT.
03:55:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IT IS A PUBLIC PARK.
03:55:33PM >> DOESN'T MATTER.
03:55:34PM NO EXCEPTION OF PUBLIC PARK UNDER BEVERAGE LICENSING.
03:55:39PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU REMEMBER THAT WE
03:55:41PM HAVE -- INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, WE HAVE EIGHT CATERERS THAT
03:55:44PM HAVE LIQUOR LICENSES.
03:55:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT THEY ONLY WORK WITH EVENTS.
03:55:49PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THEY ONLY WORK WITH EVENTS, WHY HE.
03:55:52PM SO THAT IS SO INTERESTING THAT YOU PICK THAT ONE AS YOUR
03:55:54PM EXAMPLE, WHICH IS NOT GOOD, BECAUSE ONLY EIGHT COMPANIES ARE
03:55:59PM ALLOWED TO HAVE EVENTS AT JULIAN B. LANE AND THEY HAVE
03:56:03PM LIQUOR LICENSES.
03:56:04PM >> THOSE ARE THE PREFERRED CATERERS THAT THE CITY
03:56:08PM RECOMMENDS.
03:56:08PM I HAVE BEEN ONLINE.
03:56:10PM I SEE WHAT IT IS.
03:56:11PM THE POINT IS THOUGH THEY ARE --
03:56:19PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU KNOW ABOUT THE AREA.
03:56:20PM YOU ARE MORE AWARE THAN ANYWHERE ELSE THAT THERE IS AN AREA
03:56:24PM OF THE CATHEDRAL THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SERVE ALCOHOL.
03:56:28PM >> I AGREE.
03:56:29PM IF IT WASN'T A CATERED EVENT --
03:56:33PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: HOW DID HE GET IN AND GET SERVED ALCOHOL?
03:56:37PM >> ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS TO THE CLIENT WAS HOW DOES
03:56:39PM THIS HAPPEN WHERE THEY CO-MINGLE LIKE THAT .
03:56:43PM HE SAID PEOPLE AREN'T PUSHING YOU INTO THE PUBLIC AREA
03:56:46PM VERSUS A PRIVATE.
03:56:47PM SO THEY WILL HAVE A PRIVATE EVENT.
03:56:49PM AND SOMEONE CAN STILL WALK IN THERE.
03:56:51PM THEY WILL BE SERVED WHEREVER, YOU KNOW.
03:56:54PM THAT IS ESSENTIALLY HOW IT WORKS.
03:56:55PM THERE IS NO -- LIKE -- NO CATERED EVENT OVER HERE, ETC.
03:57:00PM SO --
03:57:02PM >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I, MR. CHAIR.
03:57:04PM POINT MUCH ORDER.
03:57:05PM TWO THINGS, MR. CHAIR.
03:57:06PM IF COUNCILMEMBERS ARE GOING TO SPEAK -- BECAUSE THIS IS
03:57:08PM GOING TO BE A LONG MEETING.
03:57:10PM NUMBER ONE, ASK TO BE RECOGNIZED.
03:57:12PM NUMBER TWO, WHEN COUNSEL OR ANYBODY UP THERE IS -- LET THEM
03:57:18PM FINISH.
03:57:18PM HELL FOR OUR COURT REPORTER AND A LONG -- NOT JUST A LONG
03:57:22PM MEETING BUT A PAINFUL MEETING.
03:57:24PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I APOLOGIZE.
03:57:26PM >>LUIS VIERA: NO, NOT YOU.
03:57:27PM POINT OF ORDER GOING FORWARD, BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT IS GOING
03:57:30PM TO BE CHAOTIC.
03:57:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY.
03:57:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY RECOMMENDATION TO LET MR. BENTLEY
03:57:37PM COMPLETE HIS PRESENTATION.
03:57:38PM IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, JOT THEM DOWN TO REMEMBER
03:57:41PM THEM WHEN HE IS DONE.
03:57:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
03:57:45PM >> THANK YOU.
03:57:45PM MOVING ALONG HERE.
03:57:47PM THIS IS SLIDE 10, PLEASE.
03:57:48PM OKAY.
03:57:53PM THIS IS THE CODE THAT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT AND DISCUSSED A
03:57:59PM FEW TIMES ALREADY.
03:58:00PM BUT UNDER THIS EXCEPTION, IT SAYS THERE HAS TO BE A
03:58:04PM VIOLATION OR A CONVICTION OF ANY ONE OR MORE OF THE
03:58:08PM FOLLOWING.
03:58:08PM AND SO IT IS A VIOLATION OR CONVICTION.
03:58:12PM NOW ROUGHLY 2008, I WORKED WITH THE ASSISTANT CITY KOREAN.
03:58:17PM I THINK IT WAS REBECCA KERT BACK THEN.
03:58:20PM AND WE HELPED -- WE DRAFTED TOGETHER PRETTY MUCH THIS
03:58:25PM SECTION OF SUSPENSION.
03:58:25PM THE CITY REALLY DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT BEFORE
03:58:29PM BECAUSE THEY CONVERTED FROM WET ZONING TO SPECIAL USE
03:58:32PM PERMITS IN APRIL OF 2008 IS MY RECOLLECTION.
03:58:35PM SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO ENSURE THAT THERE HAS TO
03:58:39PM BE AN ACTUAL VIOLATION AND CONVICTION UNDER OTHER CODES AND
03:58:42PM LAWS AS DETERMINED BY COURT, CIVIL COURT, ADMINISTRATIVE LAW
03:58:48PM JUDGE OR CODE ENFORCEMENT BEFORE THE SUSPENSION PROCESS
03:58:52PM COULD BE INVOLVED.
03:58:53PM THIS WAS TO ENSURE THAT MERE ALLEGATION COULD NOT BE THE
03:58:58PM BASIS FOR SUSPENSION.
03:58:59PM IF NOT, THEN MERE ALLEGATIONS OF A VIOLATION BY STAFF,
03:59:03PM OPPONENTS, COMPETITORS, NEIGHBORS, COULD BE THE BASIS FOR
03:59:06PM PUTTING SOMEONE OUT OF BUSINESS.
03:59:08PM NOW THAT MAKES SENSE, OKAY.
03:59:12PM SO THERE HAS TO BE A VIOLATION OR A CONVICTION.
03:59:15PM ALL RIGHT.
03:59:16PM SO THIS MAKES SENSE AS COUNCIL IS NOT A SUPER COURT OF LAW
03:59:21PM THAT COULD DETERMINE VIOLATIONS OF THE VARIOUS ITEMS UNDER
03:59:24PM 27-318 THAT COULD TRIGGER THE SUSPENSION PROCESS.
03:59:28PM IN MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ KIND OF WENT THROUGH THOSE, OKAY.
03:59:34PM BUT THE WAY IT WORKS, VIOLATION OF THE OTHER LAWS AS
03:59:37PM DETERMINED BY A COURT OR ANOTHER TRIBUNAL AND SOME OF THESE
03:59:40PM ITEMS IF SOMEONE COMMITTED A FELONY.
03:59:43PM YOU ARE NOT EQUIPPED TO DO THAT.
03:59:44PM COURT OF LAW, MAINTAINING A NUISANCE.
03:59:47PM THAT IS CODE ENFORCEMENT.
03:59:49PM NOISE VIOLATION.
03:59:50PM A CIVIL INFRACTION.
03:59:51PM SO YOU NEED A VIOLATION IN COUNTY COURT, SELLING TO MINORS
03:59:56PM AND ON AND ON AND ON.
03:59:57PM THE POINT IS, COUNCIL IS NOT A COURT OF FIRST IMPRESSIONS
04:00:03PM AND OTHER ACTIONS ADJUDICATED IN ANOTHER FORM.
04:00:10PM AND NOT TRIGGER BUT SELLING ALCOHOL OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARY
04:00:17PM WITH FOUR DRINKS.
04:00:18PM THE CITY IS NOT ALLEGING CODE VIOLATIONS FOR BASIC OF
04:00:22PM SUSPENSION PEELING OUTSIDE THE WET ZONE PROPERTY AND THAT IS
04:00:26PM THE STORY.
04:00:27PM THAT THE SCOPE OF THIS HEARING AND NOTHING ELSE IS AT ISSUE.
04:00:31PM THE QUESTION BEFORE COUNCIL IS, FOR -- WHETHER SUSPENSION IS
04:00:35PM WARRANTED FOR SALES OUTSIDE THE WET ZONE BASED ON TWO
04:00:43PM REPORTS OF A PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR OF THREE ALLEGEDLY
04:00:47PM UNLAWFUL DRINKS.
04:00:48PM THE CITY ALLEGES 27-318-C-1-D.
04:00:54PM THAT IS WHY MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ PUT THE NEIGHBORS UP HERE TO
04:00:57PM TESTIFY.
04:00:58PM THERE HAS TO BE REPEATED ONGOING VIOLATIONS THAT CREATE
04:01:02PM SECONDARY EFFECTS ON SURROUNDING PROPERTY.
04:01:04PM I AM READING THE CODE, INCLUDING VIOLATIONS OF CITY CODE,
04:01:13PM ORDINANCE OR LAW THAT RELATES TO NOISE PARKING OR TRASH OR
04:01:20PM DEBRIS.
04:01:20PM AND THESE VIOLATIONS REPEATEDLY OCCURRED AFTER HAVING
04:01:23PM RECEIVED REASONABLE NOTICE TO TERMINATE OR CORRECT ANY
04:01:26PM CONDITION.
04:01:26PM NOW WE BEAT TO THIS DEATH AT THE PETITION BEGINNING ABOUT
04:01:29PM THE NOTICE.
04:01:30PM SO LET'S PUT THAT ASIDE.
04:01:33PM OBVIOUSLY WE DIDN'T GET ANY NOTICE, BUT THE CITY DIDN'T YOU
04:01:41PM HEARD THE TESTIMONY FROM THE NEIGHBORS AND MISS
04:01:43PM JOHNSON-VELEZ.
04:01:43PM THEY NEVER PROVED THERE WAS VIOLATION OF NOISE, PARKING,
04:01:47PM TRASH AND DEBRIS.
04:01:48PM BECAUSE THERE WEREN'T ANY.
04:01:52PM THE LAST TIME IN A NOISE COMPLAINT WENT TO TPD WAS JANUARY
04:01:56PM 2023, OVER A YEAR LATER, OKAY.
04:01:58PM I AM NOT SAYING THAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVEN'T BEEN IRRITATED.
04:02:01PM I AM SAYING WHAT THE FACT WAS AND THE DOCUMENT FROM THE TPD.
04:02:08PM OUR RESPONSE NO DOCUMENTED CONCERNS OF NOISE, PARKING AND
04:02:12PM CRASH.
04:02:12PM MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ HAS NOT MET HER BURDEN OF PROOF UNDER D.
04:02:18PM MILLS JOHNSON-VELEZ NEVER PROVED THERE WERE ANY VIOLATIONS
04:02:22PM IF THERE WERE, SHE WOULD HAVE BROUGHT THEM UP AND SHOWED
04:02:25PM THEM TO YOU.
04:02:26PM LET'S GO TO SLIDE 11, PLEASE.
04:02:29PM THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.
04:02:34PM YOU ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
04:02:35PM OUTDOOR MUSIC MUST CONCLUDE AT 10, 12 PLEASE HERE ARE
04:02:44PM THE TPD NOISE COMPLAINT LOGS.
04:02:54PM WE GOT THIS WITH A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST.
04:02:57PM IF THERE ARE MORE.
04:02:59PM THEY ARE IDENTICAL HOW THEY LOG THEM.
04:03:02PM ESSENTIALLY THE SAME DATES.
04:03:04PM WHAT YOU SEE, ONE, TWO, THREE FOUR SEVEN COMPLAINTS
04:03:11PM REGISTERED WITH TPD LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE.
04:03:14PM THE LAST ONE JANUARY 31, 2023.
04:03:19PM YOU LOOK TO THE RIGHT AND MR. MIRANDA, YOU HAVE GONE THROUGH
04:03:23PM THIS EARLY ON.
04:03:24PM ALL OF THEM WERE CANCELLED OR CLEARED.
04:03:27PM AS I SHOWED YOU IN THE CODE, SAYS VIOLATIONS OR CONVICTIONS.
04:03:33PM THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY VIOLATION S CLEARLY MISS
04:03:41PM JOHNSON-VELEZ FAILED TO PROVE A VIOLATION OF 318-C-1-D.
04:03:46PM AGAIN WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN PROPER NOTICE.
04:03:48PM IF WE GOT NOTICE, WE WOULDN'T BE THE CLIENT DID THAT AND
04:04:00PM STOPPED USING THE PATIO.
04:04:01PM THE PATIO WENT BY AND CLOSED SINCE DECEMBER 11 EXCEPT FOR
04:04:09PM THE FENTE EMPLOYEE PARTY ON JANUARY 10th.
04:04:14PM SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, NOISE IS IRRELEVANT AND CLIENT HAS
04:04:21PM BEEN CITED FOR NOISE VIOLATIONS BY TPD OR CODE ENFORCEMENT.
04:04:26PM I WANT TO TOUCH ON SLIDE 11.
04:04:28PM WE ALREADY WENT THROUGH THAT.
04:04:30PM OKAY, 12.
04:04:35PM THE SECOND SECTION.
04:04:37PM LET'S GO TO SECOND SECTION IN THE -- IN THE NOTICE OF INTENT
04:04:43PM THAT THE CLIENT ALLEGEDLY VIOLATED -- ALLEGES THAT THE
04:04:47PM CLIENT VIOLATED 27-318-C-1-N RELATING TO CHAPTER 14.
04:04:53PM THAT IS NOISE.
04:04:54PM THAT IS OFF THE TABLE.
04:04:55PM CHAPTER 27, THEY DIDN'T ALLEGE VIOLATION TO 27.
04:05:01PM HERE IS THE ISSUE.
04:05:02PM SAYS ANY CONDITION, LIMITATION IMPOSED BY CITY COUNCIL.
04:05:09PM WITH THE AB SITE PLAN, CITY COUNCIL HAD A CONDITION THERE
04:05:14PM WILL BE NO SALES OR CONSUMPTION IN IS THAT AREA ZONED RM-24
04:05:19PM WITH WHAT HE DISCUSSED.
04:05:23PM WE BOIL IT DOWN DID YOU VIOLATE THE CONDITION ON 9 AB SITE
04:05:27PM PLAN.
04:05:27PM SO THE ALLEGED VIOLATION IS VIOLATION OF A CONDITION IMPOSED
04:05:32PM BY COUNCIL IN THE AB SITES PLAN THAT LIMITS SALES AND
04:05:36PM CONSUMPTION TO A CERTAIN AREA OF THE PATIO.
04:05:38PM I EXPLAINED THE CLIENT WAS USING THE LICENSES FOR
04:05:42PM STATE-AUTHORIZED CATERED EVENTS AND LAWFUL TO SELL OR
04:05:46PM CONSUME ON THE PATIO WHERE THE P.I. WAS WHERE HE WAS
04:05:53PM ORDERING DRINK STATE LAW PRE EXEMPTS LOCAL LAW OF CATERED
04:06:00PM EVENTS.
04:06:01PM THE STATE IS AWARE OF HOW CATERED EVENTS ARE DONE AT THE
04:06:05PM PROPERTY AND DOESN'T VOICE ANY CONCERN AS I MENTIONED AND
04:06:07PM OPEN THREE YEARS.
04:06:08PM SO IN SUMMARY AS A GOOD NEIGHBOR GESTURE, OUR CLIENT
04:06:17PM DECEMBER 11 ROUGHLY CLOSED THE PATTY I DON'T HE AND WILL
04:06:20PM REMAIN CLOSED UNTIL WE CONCLUDE THIS PROCESS.
04:06:22PM EVERYBODY CAN REST, NO MUSIC OR ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION OR SALES
04:06:32PM ON THE PATIO.
04:06:34PM BUT THIS SAYS OTHER SHOULD BE WITHDRAWN BECAUSE OF
04:06:36PM VIOLATION OF THE TWO CODE SECTIONS IDENTIFIED IN THE NOTICE
04:06:39PM OF INTENT.
04:06:40PM HERE AGAIN, NO NOISE VIOLATION AND PREEMPTION OF THE DATE BY
04:06:45PM CATERED EVENT.
04:06:46PM I KNOW IT IS HARD TO FATHOM THIS PLACE IS COMMERCIAL AND
04:06:51PM THEY ARE USING CATERER'S LICENSE, IT IS COMPLETELY LEGAL AND
04:06:56PM THE STATE KNOWS USING THE LICENSE IN THE 4-COP.
04:07:00PM FAILURE TO PROVIDE THE NOTICE AND COUNT TO CURE AND
04:07:04PM OPPORTUNITY IS GIVEN PER ERIC COTTON'S E-MAIL DECEMBER 2023
04:07:10PM THAT I SHOWED YOU CROSSING ERIC.
04:07:11PM IN SLIDE 2.
04:07:13PM EXCUSE ME.
04:07:18PM GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
04:07:20PM THAT'S FINE.
04:07:24PM LET'S STOP THERE.
04:07:25PM EVEN BLATANT VIOLATORS RECEIVE NOTICE AS I MENTIONED THE
04:07:31PM YBOR CONVENIENCE STORE Y'ALL WERE DEALING WITH NOT TOO LONG
04:07:35PM AGO.
04:07:35PM FURTHER, THE ON-SITE REPORTS OF THE INVESTIGATORS FRUITS OF
04:07:40PM THE POISONOUS TREE AND SHOULDN'T BE RELIED UPON AS THE P.I.
04:07:47PM PARTICIPATED AND ORGANIZED WHAT WAS UNLAWFUL SALES ON TWO
04:07:52PM DIFFERENT DATES.
04:07:54PM THINK ABOUT THAT.
04:07:54PM THE CITY HIRES A PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR, AND THEY GO AND
04:07:58PM CREATE THE VIOLATION, THEN THEY PROSECUTE IT.
04:08:00PM SO THIS GUY GOES OUT THERE.
04:08:01PM HE WAS INSTRUCTED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY, GO AND TRY TO BUY A
04:08:06PM DRINK IN THE CERTAIN PART OF THE PATTY -- PATIO.
04:08:12PM YOU LOOK AT HIS REPORTS, MR. MIRANDA, IT SAYS -- THEY BEGAN,
04:08:20PM SAYS "PER YOUR INSTRUCTION" TO SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, PER YOUR
04:08:24PM DIRECTION -- PER YOUR DIRECTION.
04:08:26PM I WENT THERE ON THE PATIO AND BOUGHT A DRINK, ETC., ETC.
04:08:31PM THIS IS ORCHESTRATED BY THE CITY.
04:08:33PM PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS ARE JUST PRIVATE CITIZENS LIKE YOU AND
04:08:36PM ME.
04:08:36PM THEM DON'T HAVE ANY GREATER RIGHTS AT ALL, TO OKAY.
04:08:40PM AND YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T MANUFACTURE A CRIME LIKE THAT.
04:08:51PM AND I WANT TO GET ON THE RECORD TOO.
04:08:53PM AS A RESULT OF THE ACTIONS AND CONDUCT OF THE PRIVATE
04:08:57PM INVESTIGATOR WITH THIS MATTER.
04:08:59PM HE IS UNDER INVESTIGATION OF THE LICENSING OF THE DEPARTMENT
04:09:03PM OF AGRICULTURE AND IN AN ABUNDANCE ON CAUTION I WOULDN'T
04:09:06PM RELY TOO MUCH ON HIS REPORTS BECAUSE HE CAN'T KNOWINGLY
04:09:09PM ASSIST IN A CRIME AS A P.I.
04:09:11PM SO WE PERCEIVE TO BE UNLAWFUL SALES ON TWO DIFFERENT STATES
04:09:25PM AS AN EMPLOYMENT AND ENTRAPMENT TECHNIQUE TO COAX AND SERVE
04:09:31PM HIM AND THEY WERE CATERED EVENTS AND LAWFUL.
04:09:33PM HERE AGAIN, NO UNLAWFUL SALES THAT THE CLIENT WAS UTILIZING
04:09:38PM LICENSE FOR CATERED EVENT PREEMPTED THE WET ZONING AT THE
04:09:43PM PROPERTY.
04:09:43PM WHAT YOU DECIDE TODAY EFFECTS THE OWNERS AND NUMEROUS
04:09:46PM EMPLOYEES AND THEIR LIVELIHOODS AND THEIR FAMILIES.
04:09:48PM I ANTICIPATE THAT YOU WOULD HEAR ALLEGATIONS CONCERNING
04:09:51PM OTHER ISSUES AND YOU ALREADY HAVE, THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE
04:09:54PM SCOPE OF THE NOTICE OF INTENT OF BUILDING CODE VIOLATIONS,
04:09:58PM LACK OF PERMITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
04:10:00PM BUT THOSE ARE ALL INTERESTING AND THEY ARE ALL IMPORTANT,
04:10:03PM BUT THEY ARE NOT BEFORE YOU TODAY IF THE CITY TOOK ISSUE
04:10:08PM WITH THOSE, OTHER PROVISIONS UNDER THE SUSPENSION PROCESS
04:10:12PM WHERE THEY CAN REVOKE FAILURE TO GET PERMIT, PUBLIC HEALTH
04:10:16PM SAFETY AND WELFARE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
04:10:17PM THE CITY DIDN'T DO THAT.
04:10:19PM WHAT I CAN TELL COUNCIL, WE HAVE A VERY EXPERIENCED
04:10:22PM SOPHISTICATED TEAM OF ARCHITECTS, CONTRACTORS AND ENGINEERS
04:10:26PM WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THESE ISSUES WITH THE CITY.
04:10:29PM OKAY.
04:10:29PM AND THINK -- IT WAS ALSO KIND OF INTERESTING THAT THESE
04:10:33PM VIOLATIONS THAT YOU HEARD -- EXCEPT FOR THE ONE CODE
04:10:36PM ENFORCEMENT FROM LAST YEAR WHICH HAS BEEN CORRECTED, THE
04:10:41PM CITY CAME OUT -- NOT ONLY DO THEY USE A PRIVATE
04:10:45PM INVESTIGATOR.
04:10:45PM TWO DAYS AGO, THE CITY WENT OUT AND SHALL ISSUED THE
04:10:50PM VIOLATION ON THE EVE OF OUR HEARING, OKAY, KNOWING THAT THEY
04:10:53PM WOULD BE PROBABLY DISCUSSED AT THE HEARING.
04:10:54PM SO THAT KIND OF BLINDSIDED US AS WELL.
04:10:57PM ALL RIGHT.
04:10:57PM IN ANY EVENT, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION AND
04:11:05PM WILL MAKE FURTHER COMMENT ON REBUTTAL.
04:11:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. BENTLEY, THEY RECEIVED NOTICE OF
04:11:15PM INTENT ON DECEMBER 8 -- PER YOUR LETTER YOU PROVIDED IN THE
04:11:20PM RECORD.
04:11:21PM AS OF DECEMBER 10, GRAND CATHEDRAL CEASED ALL ALCOHOLIC AND
04:11:28PM CLOSED THE AREA.
04:11:29PM >> ON THE 11th.
04:11:30PM >> STOPPED SERVING ALCOHOL COMPLETELY.
04:11:33PM >> IS.
04:11:34PM >> ACCORDING THE CLIENT, THEY STOPPED SERVING ALCOHOL OUT
04:11:37PM THERE AND USING THE PATIO EXCEPT FOR THE FUENTE LUNCHEON
04:11:42PM WHERE THERE IS NO LIQUOR ON THE PATIO.
04:11:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
04:11:45PM >> IT IS BLOCKED OFF NOW.
04:11:47PM SAYS STAY OUT.
04:11:48PM BARRICADES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
04:11:50PM BARRIERS.
04:11:51PM >> OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:11:57PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHY WOULD -- I AM SORRY.
04:11:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND HENDERSON.
04:12:01PM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU MENTIONED THE SANCTIONS OR
04:12:05PM INVESTIGATION.
04:12:05PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WORD IS INTO THE PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR.
04:12:08PM DO YOU HAVE ANY WRITTEN DOCUMENTATION ON THAT THAT YOU CAN
04:12:11PM SHOW US FOR THE RECORD?
04:12:13PM >> WHAT, THE COMPLAINT?
04:12:15PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
04:12:20PM >> YOU KNOW I PROBABLY HAVE A COPY, BUT I THINK THE WAY IT
04:12:23PM WORKS, YOU HAVE TO MAKE A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST TO PROPERLY
04:12:26PM GET IT.
04:12:27PM I SHOULDN'T BE THE ONE GIVING YOU A COPY.
04:12:30PM >>BILL CARLSON: NOT THAT WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU AND WE ARE IN
04:12:32PM THIS ROOM AND IT WILL BE NICE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT
04:12:35PM JUST TO SEE IT IN WRITING.
04:12:36PM SECOND THING, THERE WAS TESTIMONY BY THE NEIGHBOR THAT --
04:12:40PM AND -- I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT WORDS, BUT SOMETHING LIKE
04:12:43PM BULLYING OR THREATS TO SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS.
04:12:45PM AND FROM AN ATTORNEY.
04:12:46PM CAN I ASSUME THAT WASN'T FROM YOU.
04:12:49PM AND DO YOU KNOW THE NATURE OF THAT?
04:12:51PM AND WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT?
04:12:53PM >> WHAT I CAN TELL YOU -- I HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF PUBLIC
04:12:56PM RECORDS GETTING PREPPED UP FOR THIS, IS THERE WAS A NEIGHBOR
04:13:00PM WHO IS ALSO AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
04:13:02PM AND APPARENTLY HE WAS USING CITY RESOURCES TO INVESTIGATING
04:13:10PM THE PERMITTING ISSUES.
04:13:11PM I GOT HIS E-MAILS AND MAYBE SOME OF YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN
04:13:15PM THOSE.
04:13:16PM SO THAT WAS -- THAT WAS AN ISSUE.
04:13:19PM AND THERE WAS JUST KIND OF A BAD RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THIS
04:13:23PM PROPERTY OWNER WHO LIVES RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE GRAND
04:13:27PM CATHEDRAL, THE FIRST HOUSE OFF OF FLORIDA AVENUE.
04:13:30PM BUT THERE WAS -- THERE WAS NO BULLYING.
04:13:32PM THERE WAS A BACK AND FORTH DIALOGUE AND HE WAS UPSET OF THE
04:13:37PM SOME OF THE NOISE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
04:13:39PM IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS KIND OF THE HEART OF THE ISSUE IS THE
04:13:42PM NOISE.
04:13:42PM I MEAN, IT IS KIND OF A SMOKESCREEN.
04:13:44PM ARE THEY REALLY CONCERNED WHETHER YOU HAVE THIS PERMIT OR
04:13:48PM THAT PERMIT.
04:13:49PM OKAY, WHAT IS THE MOTIVATION HERE?
04:13:51PM WHAT IS THE END GAME?
04:13:53PM SO, YOU KNOW, WE.
04:13:58PM WE GOT THE NOISE THING UNDER CONTROL AND WE ARE SENSITIVE TO
04:14:02PM THAT.
04:14:02PM THEY CAN PLAY MUSIC UNTIL 10.
04:14:04PM ON REBUTTAL, I CAN SHOW YOU SOME OF THE VIDEOS THAT THE
04:14:08PM NEIGHBORS SUPPLIED THE CITY AND YOU CAN KIND OF FIGURE OUT
04:14:11PM FOR YOURSELF IS THAT RUN UNREASONABLE OR NOT.
04:14:15PM TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, ACCORDING OUR CLIENT, NO BULLYING
04:14:19PM THEY JUST DISAGREE ON SEVERAL ISSUES AND HE IS DISTURBED
04:14:24PM FROM THE ACTIVITIES AT GRAND CATHEDRAL.
04:14:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON AND THEN
04:14:28PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:14:29PM THEN WE WILL OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
04:14:32PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SINCE YOU CLOSED THE PATIO TO SATISFY
04:14:34PM THIS ISSUE.
04:14:35PM WHY WOULD YOU NEED TO DO THAT IF YOU ARE JUSTIFYING YOUR
04:14:39PM CATERING LICENSE ALLOWING YOU TO DO THAT AREA.
04:14:41PM >> BECAUSE OUR CLIENT WANTS TOP WORK WITH COUNCIL AND THE
04:14:45PM CITY AND WORK WITH NEIGHBORS TO GET THIS RESOLVED.
04:14:47PM THAT IS JUST AN ACT OF GOOD FAITH.
04:14:49PM THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO IT.
04:14:50PM THEY SAY THEY HAD WANTED TO DO IT.
04:14:53PM I GOT RETAINED -- THEY ALREADY CLOSED IT OFF AND SAID TIME
04:14:56PM OUT HERE.
04:14:56PM WE NEED TO GET THIS STRAIGHT WITH THE CITY.
04:14:59PM THE LAST THEY THINK THEY WANT TO DO GET UP HERE AND HE SAID,
04:15:03PM SHE SAID AND ALL THIS STUFF THEY ARE GOING THROUGH.
04:15:05PM THEY DID IT AS AN ACT OF GOOD FAITH TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
04:15:09PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: HAVE THEY WORKED WITH THE NABBED TO
04:15:10PM ADDRESS SOME OF THESE ISSUES ALREADY?
04:15:13PM >> WE JUST GOT OUT OF THE HOLIDAYS HERE AND PROBABLY NOT A
04:15:16PM BAD THING IF EVERYBODY SAT DOWN AND FACILITATE BY THE CITY
04:15:22PM TO COME TO SOME COMMON GROUND ON SOME OF THE ISSUES.
04:15:26PM WE ARE NOT ADVERSE OF DOING THAT.
04:15:28PM NOT ADVERSE BRINGING NOISE EXPERTS AND ESTABLISH NOISE
04:15:33PM METERS ON THE PROPERTY TO EXCEED A CERTAIN LEVEL.
04:15:38PM UNACCEPTABLE UNDER YOUR CODE, FOR EXAMPLE.
04:15:41PM A LOT OF THINGS WE CAN DO AND WE ARE OPEN TO DO IT.
04:15:44PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I KNOW YOU ARE AN ATTORNEY AND YOUR JOB
04:15:47PM TO REPRESENT THE CLIENT.
04:15:49PM YOU ARE HOLDING ON TO THE TWO CATERED EVENTS.
04:15:52PM I AM INCLINED TO BELIEVE THAT THEY SERVED ALCOHOL THERE ON A
04:15:56PM REGULAR BASIS.
04:15:57PM YOU CAN'T SAY THAT IS NOT TRUE.
04:15:58PM BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WILL HURT YOUR CLIENT FOR YOU TO ADMIT
04:16:02PM THAT.
04:16:02PM BUT I DON'T THINK AND BELIEVE -- I DON'T WANT TO TESTIFY --
04:16:06PM THAT IS NOT MY JOB.
04:16:07PM BUT HAVE YOU -- YOU KNOW WHAT, LET ME JUST LEAVE IT ALONE
04:16:12PM AND GO ON TO THE NEXT PERSON.
04:16:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:16:16PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: LET ME JUST SAY THAT IF YOU ARE GOING TO
04:16:19PM COME TO ANY CONCLUSIONS RELY ON EVIDENCE THAT YOU HEARD AT
04:16:22PM THE HEARING THAW DETERMINED TO BE -- GIVE IT THE WEIGHT THAT
04:16:26PM YOU THINK IT IS NECESSARY TO MAKE WHATEVER CONCLUSION YOU
04:16:29PM ULTIMATELY COME TO.
04:16:30PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: CORRECT.
04:16:31PM THANK YOU, ATTORNEY SHELBY, I APPRECIATE THAT.
04:16:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WERE THE PRIVATE EVENTS SIGNED AND SAID THIS
04:16:39PM IS PRIVATE, YOU MAY NOT ENTER THIS?
04:16:43PM YOU MAY NOT BE HERE?
04:16:45PM >> I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY SIGN IT.
04:16:48PM I CAN SPEAK TO THE CLIENT AND DISCUSS IT WHEN I GET BACK UP
04:16:51PM HERE.
04:16:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IF THE PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR IS STILL HERE.
04:16:56PM HE IS.
04:16:56PM I HAVE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION FOR HIM.
04:16:59PM AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. PETERIKA IF HE WANTS TO
04:17:03PM MAKE HIS WAY UP HERE.
04:17:04PM IF YOU CAN JUST STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN FOR THE RECORD.
04:17:14PM >> BRETT BARTLETT.
04:17:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK: DID YOU SEE ANY SIGNS THAT NOTATED THE PATIO
04:17:20PM AS A PRIVATE EVENT.
04:17:21PM >> NO, THE THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE -- MUST HAVE BEEN A PRETTY
04:17:24PM SMALL PRIVATE EVENT.
04:17:26PM AND THE SECOND TIME I WENT, MUST HAVE BEEN A PRETTY SMALL
04:17:29PM PRIVATE EVENT AND DIDN'T SEE ANY FOOD ON THOSE TABLES AT ANY
04:17:35PM TIME.
04:17:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK: APPRECIATE THAT.
04:17:37PM MR. PETERIKA.
04:17:40PM JUST YOUR NAME AGAIN.
04:17:42PM >> RICKY PETERIKA.
04:17:45PM I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
04:17:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
04:17:47PM DID YOU SAY -- I BELIEVE I HAVE HEARD YOU SAY THAT YOU HAVE
04:17:51PM BEEN TO THE ESTABLISHMENT AND HAD A DRINK ON THE PATIO.
04:17:56PM WAS THAT DURING AN EVENT OR NOT DURING AN EVENT?
04:17:59PM >> I -- I HAD -- I RECALL BEING ON THE PATIO HAVING A --
04:18:07PM CONSUMING A ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE PRIOR TO UNDERSTANDING THE AB
04:18:13PM CONSUMPTION LIMIT.
04:18:14PM I DON'T RECALL THE DATE.
04:18:15PM I DON'T RECALL --
04:18:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WERE YOU THERE AS PART OF AN EVENT.
04:18:20PM >> I DID NOT GO FOR AN EVENT.
04:18:22PM I WENT TO FOR A MEETING FOR A DESIGN DISCUSSION.
04:18:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AGAIN -- THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:18:28PM THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS I HAD.
04:18:31PM ALSO, I HAD A QUESTION.
04:18:34PM YOU SAID THAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE REALLY JUST AGAINST THIS.
04:18:38PM BUT EVERY SINGLE NEIGHBOR THAT COME UP HAS SAID THEY REALLY
04:18:43PM WANT THE ESTABLISHMENT TO STAY.
04:18:45PM THEY JUST WANT THEM TO THE FOLLOW THE RULES.
04:18:47PM SO YOU -- I JUST -- YOU SAYING THAT THE NEIGHBORS DON'T WANT
04:18:51PM THEM JUST -- JUST DIRECTLY CONFLICTS WITH WHAT THE NEIGHBORS
04:18:55PM HAVE SAID.
04:18:55PM AND I JUST WANTED --
04:18:57PM >> YOU KNOW, MISS HURTAK, IT IS LIKE THIS -- IS THAT WE THEY
04:19:01PM WE ARE FOLLOWING THE RULES, OKAY.
04:19:02PM WE HAVE TO STOP THE MUSIC AT 10, OKAY.
04:19:05PM AND IT IS ALL CONTEXT.
04:19:07PM UP KNOW THIS IS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY RIGHT ON FLORIDA AVENUE.
04:19:11PM ALL RIGHT.
04:19:12PM NEXT TO IT IS SINGLE-FAMILY.
04:19:13PM INHERENT CONFLICT.
04:19:16PM WHETHER I PUT A RESTAURANT.
04:19:17PM THERE THAT IS OPEN 24-7 WITH A DUMPSTER, YOU KNOW.
04:19:21PM SO THEY ARE FOLLOWING -- WE THINK WE ARE FOLLOWING THE
04:19:28PM RULES.
04:19:28PM IF -- SAY YOU ARE IN HUNTERS GREEN IN NEW TAMPA AND YOU ARE
04:19:31PM SITTING IN THE BACK OF YOUR HOUSE.
04:19:33PM AND ALL OF A SUDDEN HEAR MUSIC, THE KID NEXT DOOR PLAYING
04:19:38PM HIS RADIO.
04:19:40PM THAT IS REALLY IRRITATING BUT SO OUT OF CONTEXT, YOU KNOW,
04:19:43PM IT IS QUIET AND THAT'S WHAT YOU HEAR BUT THAT KID IS STILL
04:19:49PM RESPECTING THE NOISE ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW WHAT I AM AGENCY
04:19:53PM IS.
04:19:53PM EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE RESPECTING THE SOUND LIMITATIONS.
04:19:55PM IF YOU LIVE ACROSS THE STREET, STILL MIGHT BE IRRITATING TO
04:20:00PM YOU BUT LEGAL.
04:20:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK: FOR RM-24 THOUGH.
04:20:04PM WE ARE TALKING OF A SITE THAT IS -- IS ZONED AS RESIDENTIAL.
04:20:07PM >> I UNDERSTAND.
04:20:09PM I AM JUST SAYING IF -- IF YOU HAD A HOME ACROSS THE STREET,
04:20:12PM YOU MIGHT HEAR MUSIC AND IT IS IRRITATING TO YOU, BUT IT IS
04:20:16PM STILL UNDER YOUR ORDINANCE CONSIDERED TO BE REASONABLE.
04:20:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO THEN -- I HAVE ONE MORE THING.
04:20:23PM SO SAY THE NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE HAD A
04:20:26PM CATERING LICENSE WITHOUT ALCOHOL PERMIT.
04:20:29PM THEY CAN HAVE AN EVENT EVERY SINGLE NIGHT AND NOTHING WE
04:20:32PM COULD DO ABOUT IT?
04:20:35PM >> THERE IS -- YOU UNDER STATE LAW, NO LIMITATION OF THE
04:20:38PM NUMBER OF EVENTS.
04:20:39PM YOU HEARD ERIC COTTON TESTIFY YOU CAN HAVE A SPECIAL EVENT.
04:20:42PM BUT THOSE RELATE TO CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS AND I THINK YOU
04:20:46PM CAN ONLY HAVE 12 A YEAR.
04:20:48PM TO ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, IN THEORY, I GUESS YOU COULD DO IT
04:20:52PM EVERY NIGHT AND STILL RESPECT THE STATE LAW, OKAY.
04:20:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:20:56PM WE WILL START PUBLIC COMMENT.
04:20:58PM >> ONE OTHER THING, MISS HURTAK, THE CLIENT USES CHALK BOARD
04:21:02PM TO IDENTIFY THE SPECIAL EVENT AND THEY HAVE A FOOD TRUCK
04:21:05PM THERE.
04:21:05PM OKAY.
04:21:06PM THANK YOU.
04:21:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WILL START WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
04:21:11PM REGISTERED SPEAKERS WAITING AND GENERAL PUBLIC THERE.
04:21:14PM FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT.
04:21:15PM MATTHEW SUAREZ.
04:21:18PM IF YOU ARE ON LINE -- DO WE HAVE A SWEAR EVERYBODY IN?
04:21:21PM YES?
04:21:22PM WE WILL GET YOUR VIDEO ON.
04:21:23PM UNMUTE YOURSELF AND WE WILL SWEAR FOLKS IN.
04:21:26PM >> I AM ONLINE.
04:21:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE TURN YOUR CAMERA ON.
04:21:32PM WE WILL BRING YOU UP IN JUST A SECOND.
04:21:34PM >> OKAY.
04:21:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE RAZE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
04:21:46PM WE ARE GOING TO SWEAR YOU IN.
04:21:48PM [SWEARING IN]
04:21:53PM >> I DO.
04:21:54PM >> THANK YOU.
04:21:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
04:21:56PM YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
04:21:57PM STATE YOUR NAME.
04:21:58PM >> MATTHEW SUAREZ, 406 WEST AZEELE STREET, UNIT 508, TAMPA,
04:22:04PM FLORIDA, 3606.
04:22:06PM HONORABLE MEMBERS OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
04:22:09PM I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST COUNCILMEMBERS NOT TO ATTEMPT TO
04:22:15PM SUSPEND THE SALE OF ALCOHOL BEVERAGES 23-18 FOR THE PROMPT
04:22:20PM LOCATED AT 201 NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE.
04:22:23PM FROM THIS -- FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF PUBLIC INTEREST, I
04:22:27PM BELIEVE THAT GRAND CATHEDRAL CIGAR GARS, THE BUSINESS
04:22:31PM RELATING TO THE PROPERTY 201 NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE BRINGS
04:22:34PM GREAT VALUE TO TAMPA HEIGHTS AND THE CITY OF TAMPA AS A
04:22:37PM WHOLE.
04:22:37PM MY POSITION RELATING TO GRAND CATHEDRAL CIGARS IS PURELY
04:22:42PM INTENDED TO BE SUBJECTIVE IN NATURE.
04:22:44PM MORE TO SERVE AS A REMINDER OF THE LARGER PICTURE THAT
04:22:47PM RELATES TO THE SITUATION RATHER THAN REBUT THE OBJECTIVE
04:22:51PM POINTS OF FACT THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED IN THE MOMENT BY
04:22:54PM NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERN AND EVIDENCE.
04:22:55PM THESE MOMENTARILY POINTS OF FACT BASED ON CONCERN AND
04:23:00PM EVIDENCE ARE IMPORTANT.
04:23:00PM AND MUST BE DEALT WITH; HOWEVER, I AM CURRENTLY MORE
04:23:06PM CONCERNED OF THE SPIRIT OF GRAND CATHEDRAL CIGAR AS A PLACE
04:23:10PM AS ITS STRUCTURE AS A PLACE.
04:23:11PM TOO MUCH HISTORY HAS BEEN LOST IN THIS COMMUNITY TO OWN
04:23:15PM OWNER WHO SEE JUST LAND AND THE NEXT QUICK OPPORTUNITY
04:23:18PM VERSUS THE STORY THAT IS TOLD THROUGH WHAT HAS BEEN
04:23:22PM PREVIOUSLY DONE.
04:23:24PM A STORY OF THE PAST THAT CAN BE REALIZED THROUGH TANGIBLE
04:23:28PM MEANS AS LONG AS WHAT IS BUILT IS IN A PRESERVED STATE AND
04:23:31PM HAS A -- PRESERVED STATE AND HAS A HONOR WILLING TO TAKE IT
04:23:36PM FROM THAT STATE AND TURN IT INTO SOMETHING THAT SPEAKS TO
04:23:39PM THE PLACE WHERE IT SHOULD EXIST.
04:23:41PM THE FORMER HOME OF TAMPA'S FIRST CONGRESSIONAL CHURCH, THE
04:23:44PM PLACE FOR GRAND CATHEDRAL CIGARS IS FOUND.
04:23:47PM ANGELA YU HAS ACHIEVED THIS.
04:23:50PM TAKEN A PIECE OF PRESERVED TAMPA HISTORY AND GIVEN IT BACK
04:23:54PM TO ITS SPIRIT, IN A WAY THAT UNIQUELY SPEAKS TO THE PLACE
04:23:57PM WHERE IT EXISTS.
04:23:59PM A CIGAR LOUNGE, ITS FUNCTION SPEAKS IN THIS MATTER.
04:24:03PM FORMER CHURCH, THE NAME OF THE BEVERAGES SPEAK IN THIS
04:24:06PM MANNER.
04:24:06PM A FORMAL PLACE OF COMMUNAL GATHERING AND ABILITY TO BRING
04:24:11PM TOGETHER THROUGH THE CIGAR, A PRODUCT THAT DEFINED TAMPA FOR
04:24:14PM GENERATIONS SPEAKS IN THIS MANNER.
04:24:17PM GRAND CATHEDRAL CIGAR IS NOT JUST A MERE BAR, BUT RATHER A
04:24:21PM ME TECH US WILL WORK OF ART DOWN TO EVERY DETAIL.
04:24:24PM FIFTH GENERATION IN THIS COMMUNITY AS I AM AND STUDIED THIS
04:24:28PM PLACE AS I DO, AND YOU WILL SEE IT.
04:24:29PM FROM THE GRAND FUENTE MURAL VIEWED IN THE MAIN LOUNGE TO THE
04:24:35PM PICTURES RELATED TO CHARLIE WALL, THE TROPICANTE AND
04:24:41PM PRESIDENT KENNEDY IN THE MECHANICS LOUNGE.
04:24:43PM EVERY PIECE THAT ANGELA INTRODUCES IN THE CHURCH TELLS A
04:24:47PM STORY.
04:24:47PM THEY TELL TAMPA'S STORY.
04:24:49PM THANK YOU.
04:24:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FRANK DELAGRANA.
04:24:53PM IF YOU ARE ON, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF, RAISE YOUR RIGHT
04:24:58PM HAND.
04:24:58PM WE WILL SWEAR YOU IN.
04:25:01PM >> I'M HERE.
04:25:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
04:25:11PM WE WILL SWEAR YOU IN.
04:25:12PM [SWEARING IN]
04:25:15PM >> I DO.
04:25:15PM >>CLERK: THANK YOU.
04:25:17PM >> I WON'T TAKE TOO MUCH OF THE MEMBERS' TIME TODAY.
04:25:19PM WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR HAVING ME.
04:25:21PM AND I JUST WANT TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE GRAND CATHEDRAL
04:25:27PM CIGARS NOT HAVING THEIR LIQUOR LICENSE AFFECTED TO.
04:25:31PM TO REPEAT WHAT MR. SUAREZ SAID, WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS TAKEN
04:25:36PM A HISTORICAL PLACE AND MADE IT AN INSTITUTION HERE IN TAMPA.
04:25:39PM IT BRINGS GREAT VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY.
04:25:42PM IT IS A BEAUTIFUL PLEAS.
04:25:43PM WITH EVERYTHING -- ALL THE CHANGES HAPPENING IN TAMPA RIGHT
04:25:48PM NOW AND ALL THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE TAKEN AWAY.
04:25:53PM THEY HAVE DONE SOMETHING SPECIAL THERE.
04:25:55PM TO AFFECT THEIR BUSINESS JUST DOESN'T SEEM FAIR.
04:25:59PM WHATEVER WRONGS THEY HAVE DONE, THEY CAN RIGHT.
04:26:02PM AND THIS CAN'T BE REMEDIATED WITHOUT THE BICKERING AND
04:26:06PM FIGHTING THAT NEEDS TO GO ON.
04:26:08PM I AM IN FAVOR OF THEM KEEPING THEIR LICENSE AND HOPE THE
04:26:10PM BOARD MAKES A PROPER DECISION.
04:26:12PM THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
04:26:13PM MANISCALCO JONATHAN THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:26:16PM TONYA NAVARRO.
04:26:20PM IF YOU ARE ON LINE.
04:26:22PM >>CLERK: SHE IS NOT.
04:26:23PM >> TODD SWIFT, THE LAST REGISTERED SPEAKER.
04:26:26PM IF YOU ARE ON, PLEASE TURN ON YOUR CAMERA, RAISE YOUR RIGHT
04:26:30PM HAND AND UNMUTE YOURSELF.
04:26:31PM [SWEARING IN]
04:26:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF, SIR.
04:26:39PM YOU ARE STILL MUTED.
04:26:53PM >> HE NEEDS TO UNMUTE HIS DEVICE.
04:26:57PM >> YOUR DEVICE PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE UNMUTED.
04:27:17PM NOT JUST THE PLATFORM.
04:27:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
04:27:21PM >>CLERK: NO.
04:27:39PM WE WILL WORK WITH HIM.
04:27:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE WILL HAVE TNI WORK WITH YOU AND TRY
04:27:44PM TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
04:27:46PM WE WILL START WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
04:27:48PM WHEN THIS WORKS, WE WILL BRING YOU ON.
04:27:51PM THANK YOU FOR THE PATIENCE.
04:27:54PM IN-PERSON PUBLIC COMMENT.
04:27:57PM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, LINE UP TO THIS SIDE OF THE ROOM AND
04:28:01PM COME UP ONE BY ONE TO THE LECTERN AND STATE YOUR NAME.
04:28:04PM AND I BELIEVE EVERYONE HAS BEEN SWORN IN, EVEN THE FOLKS
04:28:11PM THAT HAVE COME IN AFTERWARDS.
04:28:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HAS EVERYBODY SWORN IN THAT IS GOING TO
04:28:26PM BE SPEAKING?
04:28:27PM ANYBODY COME IN LATE?
04:28:28PM OKAY, WHEN YOU GET UP, WE WILL SWEAR YOU IN.
04:28:31PM SIR, IF YOU WANT TO COME UP.
04:28:32PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
04:28:33PM YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
04:28:35PM >> MY NAME IS BRENDAN McLAUGHLIN.
04:28:37PM A RESIDENT OF TAMPA HEIGHTS, 405 EAST ROSS AVENUE.
04:28:41PM YOU CAN ADD ME TO THE LIST OF -- OF GRAND CATHEDRAL CIGAR
04:28:47PM NEIGHBORS WHO SUPPORT THE BUSINESS WHO THINK IT IS A GREAT
04:28:50PM USE OF THAT HISTORIC PROPERTY.
04:28:53PM IT IS UNIQUE DESTINATION THAT PUTS US ON THE MAP.
04:28:56PM FEATURED IN CIGAR MAGAZINE AND MAGAZINES AROUND THE WORLD.
04:29:00PM AND IT IS A SHAME IT HAS COME TO THIS SORT OF ADVERSARIAL
04:29:05PM POINT THAT PEOPLE SAY THEY ARE FOR GRAND CATHEDRAL AND
04:29:09PM PEOPLE AGAINST IT.
04:29:09PM I DON'T THINK THAT IS THE CASE.
04:29:10PM EVERYBODY FOR THE MOST PART IS ROOTING FOR THIS TO WORK.
04:29:14PM AND I WILL TELL YOU, I ENJOY A FINE CIGAR AND AN ADULT
04:29:18PM BEVERAGE AND LIVE MUSIC AS MUCH AS THE NEXT PERSON.
04:29:22PM I CAN ALSO TELL YOU THAT I HAVE ENJOYED AFOREMENTIONED ADULT
04:29:27PM BEVERAGES ON THAT PATIO NUMEROUS TIMES.
04:29:30PM I CAN'T GIVE YOU DATES.
04:29:31PM I DON'T HAVE A LOG.
04:29:32PM AT THE TIME I DID NOT KNOW WHAT THE ZONING SITUATION WAS FOR
04:29:36PM THAT PURPOSE.
04:29:36PM AND I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM AND MANY
04:29:39PM OF MY NEIGHBORS WHO CAN SAY THE SAME THING.
04:29:42PM THIS PRIVATE DETECTIVE BUSINESS WITH THE TWO LIGHT BEERS
04:29:45PM STRIKES ME AS A LITTLE RIZ-ABLE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT IS
04:29:49PM ACTUALLY GOING ON.
04:29:49PM AGAIN, MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, I DON'T
04:29:56PM THINK THEY WANT THIS RESTAURANT TO BE STRIPPED OF THEIR
04:29:58PM ZONING, ALCOHOL PRIVILEGE.
04:30:00PM WE DO WANT THEM TO GET THE PROPER PERMITS LIKE EVERYBODY
04:30:03PM ELSE.
04:30:03PM WE DO WANT THEM TO ABIDE BY THE RULES THAT THEY IMPLICITLY
04:30:07PM AGREE TO WHEN THEY RECEIVE THESE LICENSES.
04:30:09PM LIKE BRIAN SEEL THAT SPOKE EARLIER, I DO HAVE A SMALL
04:30:14PM BUSINESS.
04:30:14PM I CURRENTLY HAVE A STOP WORK ORDER FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT ON
04:30:18PM A HOUSE I AM REHABBING ON TAMPA HEIGHTS.
04:30:20PM I DON'T LIKE IT.
04:30:21PM IT IS NOT FUN.
04:30:22PM IT IS TIME CONSUMING.
04:30:23PM IT IS EXPENSIVE, BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE EVERYBODY IS SINGLING
04:30:28PM ME OUT AND PICK ON ME.
04:30:29PM JUST THE RULES AND THE CITY STAFF HAS BEEN PRETTY GOOD OF
04:30:33PM HELPING ME MOVE FORWARD AND RESOLVE THIS.
04:30:35PM I THINK IT IS JUST AN ISSUE OF FAIR OPINIONS.
04:30:38PM IT IS LOOKING AT THIS CITY COUNCIL AND THIS CITY STAFF AND
04:30:42PM KNOWING THAT YOU ARE GOING TO ENFORCE THE RULES THAT ARE ON
04:30:45PM THE BOOKS WITHOUT FAVORITISM.
04:30:48PM ONLY THING I WILL FINISH WITH IF THERE IS ANY SUBSTANCE OF
04:30:54PM THIS IDEA OF A NEIGHBOR BEING INTIMIDATED OR THREATENED OR
04:30:58PM BULLIED IN THE COURSE OF THIS, I WOULD HOPE IT IS LOOKED
04:31:00PM INTO.
04:31:00PM I HOPE IT IS JUST NOT BRUSHED OVER BECAUSE THAT IS A
04:31:04PM DISTURBING DIMENSION OF THIS.
04:31:06PM I HAPPEN TO KNOW THAT NEIGHBOR AS WELL, AND HE IS LITERALLY
04:31:10PM IN FEAR OF HIS SAFETY.
04:31:11PM AND I THINK HE SHOULD BE HEARD AND THIS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED
04:31:14PM AS WELL.
04:31:14PM THANK YOU.
04:31:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
04:31:15PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:31:16PM NEXT SPEAKER.
04:31:17PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
04:31:19PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
04:31:21PM RENELA CONSUELO, OWNER OF MEXICAN KITCHEN, A SMALL BUSINESS,
04:31:28PM AND I WANT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE GRAND CIGAR CATHEDRAL.
04:31:34PM THEY SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES LIKE MINE.
04:31:37PM WE HAVE A FOOD TRUCK ON THE PREMISES AND HAVE DONE NUMEROUS
04:31:42PM CATERING IN THE PLACE.
04:31:43PM DONE CATERING, ONE OF THEM THAT WAS PAID BY GRAND CIGAR
04:31:51PM CATHEDRAL THE OWNER FOR THE CHAR TV EVENT.
04:31:55PM THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY WHERE THERE IS WEDDINGS
04:31:58PM AND CORPORATE EVENTS AND CHARITY EVENTS.
04:32:03PM BUT ALSO FOR SMALL BUSINESSES ARE NOT ONLY LIKE MINE, BUT
04:32:07PM ALSO FOR THE TOBACCO INDUSTRY.
04:32:08PM NOT TO MENTION WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID ABOUT THE -- THE
04:32:14PM GOOD JOB THEY HAVE DONE IN PUTTING IN A GOOD PLACE OF TAMPA
04:32:18PM SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU AND PLEAD YOU TO WORK WITH GRAND
04:32:26PM CENTRAL CATHEDRAL NOT TO REVOKE THEIR LICENSE RIGHT AWAY BUT
04:32:30PM WORK WITH THEM SO THEY MAKE IT RIGHT FOR YOU.
04:32:34PM THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO SAY.
04:32:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:32:36PM NEXT SPEAKER, STATE YOUR NAME.
04:32:38PM >> MICHAEL DELANO AND I WAS SWORN IN.
04:32:41PM RESIDENT OF 19 YEARS AND I AM IN SUPPORT TO HAVE GRAND
04:32:46PM CATHEDRAL TO KEEP THEIR LIQUOR LICENSE.
04:32:48PM LED IN YBOR AND SMOKING CIGARS.
04:32:52PM AND I BOUGHT A HOUSE AND I KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE TO BE ON A
04:32:56PM BUSY STREET.
04:32:56PM I EXPECT THE KNOWS AND HUSTLE AND BUSTLE AND CARS DRIVING
04:33:00PM BY.
04:33:00PM YOU KNOW, I WILL BE RILING MY BIKE BACK UP THERE.
04:33:03PM MY CAR IS IN THE SHOP ON FLORIDA AVENUE.
04:33:06PM WHEN YOU HEAD TO THE HIGHWAY FROM THERE TO MLK AND SEMINOLE
04:33:11PM HEIGHTS.
04:33:11PM NOTHING BUT SALVATION ARMY, EMPTY LOTS AND ABANDONED CHURCH,
04:33:15PM CHAIN-LINK FENCES, A TIRE REPAIR SHOP.
04:33:18PM A LIQUOR STORE WHERE THERE IS A LOT OF CRIME IN FRONT OF.
04:33:20PM AND IT A COUPLE OF USED CAR DEALERSHIP.
04:33:22PM THE ONLY NICE THING WE HAVE IN THE ENTIRE STRIP IS GRAND
04:33:28PM CATHEDRAL CIGARS.
04:33:29PM I SHARE THAT BECAUSE THOSE WHO SMOKE CIGARS, YOU KNOW IF YOU
04:33:34PM LOSE YOUR LIQUOR LICENSE.
04:33:36PM I HAVE BEEN THERE 50 TIMES, 30 OF THEM AT NIGHT.
04:33:39PM NEVER ONCE HAVE I SEEN THEM BREAK THE NOISE ORDINANCE.
04:33:43PM UP ASK IS THE BAND COMING ON.
04:33:45PM THEY SAY NO 15 MINUTES BEFORE 10:00 AND WE CAN'T HAVE THEM
04:33:50PM ON DEAD QUIET.
04:33:51PM SEMINOLE HEIGHTS IN A LOT OF PLACES.
04:33:53PM I WAS SHOCKED TO HEAR SOME 67 THE NOISE COMPLAINTS.
04:33:57PM AGAIN I LIVE ON TAMPA STREET AND IF YOU LIVE ON FLORIDA, YOU
04:34:00PM WILL HAVE BUSY STREETS.
04:34:01PM I WOULD EXPECT IF THEY SHUT THAT DOWN, NOTHING WILL SURVIVE
04:34:05PM THERE.
04:34:05PM THANK YOU.
04:34:06PM I HOPE YOU KEEP IT OPEN.
04:34:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:34:09PM STATE YOUR NAME.
04:34:10PM >> FOR THE RECORD JASON SAMPSON.
04:34:12PM I HAVE NOT BEEN SWORN.
04:34:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: RAISE YOUR RIGHT HANDM AND WE WILL SWEAR
04:34:17PM YOU IN.
04:34:17PM PLEASE SWEAR THE GENTLEMAN IN.
04:34:19PM [SWEARING IN]
04:34:25PM >> WHEN I MOVED TO FLORIDA IN 2004, I HAD MY FIRST HOUSE OF
04:34:31PM FLORIDA AVENUE.
04:34:32PM I SAID I CAN'T RAISE MY KIDS.
04:34:35PM OFF OF FLORIDA.
04:34:38PM THIS IS CRAZY.
04:34:40PM THIS IS WHERE THE NEIGHBORS LIVE.
04:34:41PM AND THE BULLYING THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT IS COMING FROM THE
04:34:46PM CITY.
04:34:46PM MOST ASSUREDLY NOT COMING FROM ANYONE AT GRAND CATHEDRAL IN
04:34:52PM ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
04:34:53PM THAT INDIVIDUAL LIVES A BUILDING OFF OF FLORIDA AVENUE.
04:34:56PM NOISE COMPLAINT THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE COUNCIL -- I HEARD
04:35:00PM THE VIDEO AND I CAN HEAR CRICKETS LOUDER THAN THE MUSIC FROM
04:35:06PM GRAND CATHEDRAL TOP TO HEAR IT COMING TO CITY COUNCIL OF
04:35:11PM PRIOR MEASURES -- MISS HENDERSON ASKING THE WHY.
04:35:15PM WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT IF NOT A VIOLATION.
04:35:17PM SANCTION SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS FROM GETTING A NOTICE FROM
04:35:21PM CITY COUNCIL AND TAKING A STEP BACK AND SAYING IF YOU
04:35:23PM BELIEVE WE VIOLATED SOMETHING, WE ARE NOT GOING -- THAT IS A
04:35:27PM BAD THING?
04:35:28PM CATCHING THEM IN THE ACT OF DOING SOMETHING?
04:35:31PM TO USE THE NEIGHBOR'S ANALOGY, THEY GOT A STOP WORK ORDER.
04:35:35PM THEY NEVER GOT A STOPPED WORK ORDER.
04:35:39PM NEVER GOT ANYTHING FROM THE CITY YOU CAN'T DO THIS.
04:35:41PM YOU CANNOT DO THIS.
04:35:42PM NEVER GOT SANCTIONED.
04:35:44PM A NOTICE OF INTENT.
04:35:46PM THEY STOPPED IMMEDIATELY AND NOW SOMEHOW THAT IS BEING HELD
04:35:49PM AGAINST THEM?
04:35:49PM I WORK WITH BUSINESS OWNERS EVERY SINGLE DAY.
04:35:51PM YOU HAVE IN ANGELA YU, A BUSINESS OWNER GALLONS ABOVE AND
04:35:55PM BEYOND TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW, TO RESEARCH THE LAW, TO KNOW
04:35:59PM CATERING LICENSES BETTER THAN MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY
04:36:06PM AND SHE UNDERSTANDS WHAT SHE IS DOING.
04:36:07PM THESE ARE GOOD PEOPLE TRYING TO BE GOOD STEWARDS TO OUR
04:36:13PM ENVIRONMENT.
04:36:13PM LOOK WHAT THEY HAVE DONE OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND FLORIDA.
04:36:15PM IT USED TO BE COMPLETELY CRAPPY.
04:36:17PM THEY ARE PAINTING NEIGHBOR'S HOUSES.
04:36:22PM NEIGHBORS' BUILDINGS AND PICKING UP TRASH IN THE AREA.
04:36:25PM YOU HAVE TWO NEIGHBOR COMPLAINTS THAT HAVE COME TO THIS
04:36:27PM FRUITION.
04:36:28PM THAT HAS LED TO THIS.
04:36:29PM SANCTION AFTER SANCTION, THEY HAVE TRIED, TRIED, TO USE CITY
04:36:34PM RESOURCES TO COME AFTER THEM.
04:36:35PM NO VIOLATION, NO VIOLATION, NO VIOLATION.
04:36:37PM THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
04:36:39PM LET'S BE QUITE HONEST.
04:36:41PM THE PEOPLE AT GRAND CATHEDRAL -- TOO NICE TO SAY IT, BOTH OF
04:36:46PM THOSE PEOPLE WHO MADE COMPLAINTS WERE REMOVED FROM THE
04:36:49PM PREMISE FOR ILLEGAL AND LEWD BEHAVIOR.
04:36:51PM THAT IS WHO -- ONE OF THEM THAT TESTIFIED TODAY BECAUSE I
04:36:55PM WASN'T THE -- I HEARD HER.
04:36:57PM SHE WAS REMOVED FOR LEWD BEHAVIOR.
04:36:59PM [APPLAUSE]
04:37:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH -- NO, WE WON'T HAVE
04:37:05PM CLAPPING.
04:37:06PM PLENTY OF CLAPPING THIS MORNING.
04:37:07PM YES, SIR.
04:37:08PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
04:37:09PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, JEREMY KORSCH.
04:37:13PM TOUGH ACT TO FOLLOW.
04:37:14PM I AM ONE OF GRAND CATHEDRAL'S NEIGHBORS.
04:37:17PM OUTLINED THE POSITION.
04:37:18PM IN SHORT, I AM NOT TRYING TO BE UNREASONABLE BUT FOR GRAND
04:37:22PM CATHEDRAL TO ABIDE BY THE RULES THAT WE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD
04:37:25PM HAVE TO FOLLOW.
04:37:26PM IF GRAND CATHEDRAL CAN'T OR WON'T, MAYBE THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE
04:37:30PM A LIQUOR LICENSE.
04:37:31PM BEFORE I BEGIN, I WANT TO SAY I DO SUPPORT GRAND CATHEDRAL
04:37:35PM IN THEORY OR ANOTHER BUSINESS IN THAT LOCATION, BUT IT IS IN
04:37:38PM A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
04:37:39PM AS A MEMBER OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY ARE EXPECTED TO
04:37:42PM FOLLOW THE RULES JUST LIKE THE REST OF US ARE.
04:37:45PM IF NONE OF US FOLLOW THE RULES THAT THIS GOVERNMENT BODY
04:37:49PM PROMULGATES, THINGS WILL DEVELOP INTO CHAOS.
04:37:53PM IF NO ONE FOLLOWS THE RULES THAT YOU PUT IN PLACE, WHAT IS
04:37:57PM THE POINT OF PROMULGATING ANY RULES.
04:37:58PM THE WHOLE ISSUES STARTED WITH NOISE.
04:38:00PM AND GRAND CATHEDRAL'S EVOLUTION FROM A GOOD, QUIET NEIGHBOR
04:38:04PM TO ONE WITHIN THE PAST YEAR CAN'T OR WON'T KEEP ITS NOISE
04:38:09PM WITHIN THE CONFINES OF ITS PROPERTY.
04:38:10PM AND NOT SURPRISINGLY, THE NEIGHBORS HAVE GROWN TIRED OF
04:38:13PM ATTENDING MANDATORY CONTRACTS IN OUR HOMES AFTER LONG
04:38:19PM STRESSFUL WORKDAYS, WHILE IN OUR COUCHES AND BEDS.
04:38:23PM GRAND CATHEDRAL LIVE MUSIC IS AUDIBLE FROM BLOCKS AWAY.
04:38:27PM THOSE OF HOUSE LIVE NEAR IT CAN'T ESCAPE IT.
04:38:29PM THOSE WEREN'T ALWAYS A PROBLEM.
04:38:32PM THE LAST YEAR, IT HAS BEEN ENDEMIC WITH LIVE MUSIC THAT ALL
04:38:37PM OF THE NEIGHBORS CAN HEAR IN OUR HOUSES AND THE WALLS
04:38:41PM VIBRATE WITH THE RHYTHM.
04:38:43PM THUS FAR, IT FEELS LIKE GRAND CATHEDRAL NEEDS TO FOLLOW THE
04:38:49PM RULES THAT WE GUIDE NOISE REQUIREMENTS AROUND HISTORIC
04:38:53PM PRESERVATION WHEN CALLED OUT FOR FLOUTING THE RULES THEY
04:38:56PM HAVE CLAIMED VICTIM AND RETALIATED AGAINST MY NEIGHBORS
04:38:59PM TRYING TO GET THEM FIRED FROM THEIR JOBS COUNSEL FOR GRAN
04:39:04PM CATHEDRAL SAID NO NOISE COMPLAINTS HAVE BEEN FILED LATELY.
04:39:07PM I WILL ADMIT.
04:39:11PM I NEVER WANTED TO CALL POLICE BECAUSE I DON'T WANT GRAND
04:39:14PM CATHEDRAL TO CALL MY COMPANY'S HR DEPARTMENT.
04:39:17PM I NEED MY JOB.
04:39:18PM AS OTHER NEIGHBORS SAID, ALL WE WANT FOR GRAND CATHEDRAL TO
04:39:23PM FOLLOW THE RULES SAND WE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT IS SO
04:39:26PM DIFFICULT.
04:39:26PM WE ARE NOT TORCH-CARRYING VILLAGERS HERE.
04:39:30PM PROFESSIONALS AND HOMEOWNERS LIVING IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT
04:39:35PM AND WE WANT THAT'S OUR 100-YEAR-OLD HOUSES.
04:39:39PM I THINK IT IS GREAT THAT GRAND CATHEDRAL IS A POPULAR CIGAR
04:39:44PM BAR AND I AM ALL FOR SMALL BUSINESSES AND I DON'T CARE IF
04:39:49PM THEY SELL ALCOHOL ON THEIR PATIO AND IF THEY CUT OFF AT A
04:39:54PM REASON TIME.
04:39:55PM GREAT.
04:39:55PM THAT IS NOT HAPPENING.
04:39:56PM IF THEIR LICENSE IS SUSPENDED, I WOULD LIKE IT TO COME TO
04:40:00PM TEETH FOR REINSTATEMENT.
04:40:02PM I AM FINE WITH THEM DOING WHATEVER THEY WANT IN THEIR YARD
04:40:05PM AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T COME INTO MINE.
04:40:06PM THANK YOU.
04:40:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
04:40:08PM STATE YOUR NAME.
04:40:09PM >> MIKE DRAPACK, LONG TIME NO SEE.
04:40:13PM NO DOG IN THE RACE BUT ONLY ESTABLISHED PROFESSIONAL OF
04:40:20PM ACOUSTICS.
04:40:21PM I OWNED AN ACOUSTIC COMPANY IN NEBRASKA AND FLORIDA.
04:40:32PM I THINK THE SOUND ORDINANCE OF TAMPA IS 78 DBA DURING THE
04:40:38PM DAY AND 65 DECIBELS AT NIGHT.
04:40:40PM DBA WITH THE OTHER SCALES, THE WAY IT DOESN'T AFFECT LOW
04:40:44PM FREQUENCIES, RIGHT.
04:40:45PM SOUND -- AND THE SCIENCE OF SOUND IS A COMPLEX THING THAT
04:40:49PM STATES THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS AND THE
04:40:53PM ENVIRONMENTAL AGENCIES HAVE TROUBLE REGULATING.
04:40:55PM A NEW SCIENCE WE ARE LOOKING WITH LIGHT POLLUTION, NOISE
04:40:59PM POLLUTION, VERY MUCH BECOMING VERY PRESSING IN OUR
04:41:02PM COMMUNITIES.
04:41:02PM THING IS, WE HAVE BARS AND RESTAURANTS THAT HAVE BANDS, HAVE
04:41:06PM ACTIVITIES EVERYWHERE.
04:41:07PM WE HAVE PARTIES AT ALL OF OUR HOUSES.
04:41:09PM WE MAKE LOTS OF NOISE AND THAT IS WHY YOU SET THE ORDINANCE
04:41:12PM SO AS THERE CAN BE SOME KIND OF PEACE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
04:41:16PM SO, I MEAN, MY POINT IN KIND OF COMING UP HERE AND TALKING
04:41:21PM ABOUT IT IS TO GIVE CONTEXT WHAT A SOUND ORDINANCE IS REALLY
04:41:24PM FOR AND WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH IT.
04:41:26PM BUT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO COMPLAIN ABOUT IT.
04:41:29PM I GET SEVEN CALLS A WEEK ABOUT -- FROM PEOPLE ALL AROUND THE
04:41:34PM COUNTRY SUFFERING FROM ALL KINDS OF ISSUES WITH SYMPATHETIC
04:41:38PM NERVOUS SYSTEM ISSUES AND EVERYTHING ELSE BECAUSE OF NOISE
04:41:41PM ISSUES.
04:41:41PM I WORKED ON A PROJECT THAT WAS OUTSIDE THE DOOR WAS
04:41:45PM LITERALLY 15 FEET FROM A LONG GUN SHOOTING RANGE.
04:41:49PM SO THESE ARE ISSUES THAT SOMETIMES ARE VERY SERIOUS AND
04:41:52PM SOMETIMES ARE NOT.
04:41:53PM WHEN TO COMES TO BARS AND RESTAURANTS, I THINK IT IS BEST
04:41:57PM THAT THE COMMUNITY TRY TOP WORK TOGETHER WITH THE BUSINESSES
04:41:59PM AND THE COMMUNITY TO TRY TO SOLVE THESE COMPLEX HE SHALL USE
04:42:04PM BECAUSE SOMETHING ELSE THERE, ALWAYS THESE KIND OF
04:42:06PM ESTABLISHMENTS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITIES.
04:42:08PM WITH THAT.
04:42:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
04:42:11PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
04:42:13PM YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
04:42:14PM >> ARI -- A RESIDENT OF GAINESVILLE, FLORIDA.
04:42:19PM I TOOK TIME TO COME DOWN LAST NIGHT BECAUSE I AM A CORPORATE
04:42:24PM CLIENT OF GRAND CATHEDRAL DEVELOPING BUSINESS.
04:42:26PM AND I FIND GRAND CATHEDRAL INDISPENSABLE FOR DOMINIC, ALL OF
04:42:35PM THEIR STAFF IN GENERAL HAS BUDGET BAR NONE THE BEST BUSINESS
04:42:39PM LOUNGE EXPERIENCE I HAD OF ANY SORT OF THE NATION WHERE WE
04:42:42PM HAVE DONE BUSINESS INCLUDING SAN FRANCISCO, SEATTLE, NEW
04:42:46PM YORK CITY, HARTFORD CONNECTICUT AND A COUPLE OF OTHER
04:42:49PM CITIES.
04:42:49PM GRAND CATHEDRAL IS A DESTINATION OF ITSELF.
04:42:52PM IF THIS IS CIGAR CITY USA.
04:42:56PM GRAND CATHEDRAL IS THE CATHEDRAL AND PULPIT FOR CIGAR CITY
04:43:00PM USA.
04:43:01PM ANY CONSIDERATION OF REVOKING THE LIQUOR LICENSE IS
04:43:05PM UNFORTUNATE A REALITY IS POSSIBLY A SERIOUS BLOW TO THE
04:43:10PM BUSINESS.
04:43:10PM I WOULD ASK THE CITY COUNCIL TO REFRAIN FROM THAT
04:43:15PM ARBITRATION, MEDIATION, SOMETHING OF THAT EFFECT.
04:43:18PM I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT BECAUSE OF MY PARTICULAR LINE
04:43:22PM OF BUSINESS, I AM FAMILIAR WITH PEOPLE CALLING HR
04:43:25PM DEPARTMENTS.
04:43:25PM GRAND CATHEDRAL IS A CIGAR BAR.
04:43:29PM THEY ARE NOT CALLING RANDOM HR DEPARTMENTS TO GET ANYTHING
04:43:33PM FIRED ON A WHIM.
04:43:34PM THIS IDEA OF BULLYING SEEMS TO BE, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE,
04:43:39PM INTERESTING AND PEOPLE ARE JUST VERY AGITATED AND THEY NEED
04:43:42PM TO TAKE A STEP BACK WHICH IS THE REASON YOU BRING MEDIATORS
04:43:48PM IN.
04:43:48PM LASTLY, ON A PERSONAL NOTE.
04:43:50PM GRAND CATHEDRAL IS A GREAT INSTALLMENT FOR MILITARY, LAW
04:43:56PM ENFORCEMENT AND VETERANS.
04:43:57PM I THINK THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE CONSIDERATION WHAT THEY
04:44:00PM DO FOR THE COMMUNITY INCLUDING THAT COMMUNITY IN PARTICULAR.
04:44:02PM AND THAT SHOULDN'T BE A POINT OF ADVANCE THAT WAS INSINUATED
04:44:08PM WITH TESTIMONY EARLIER.
04:44:09PM THANK YOU.
04:44:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
04:44:11PM YES, SIR, STATE YOUR NAME.
04:44:12PM >> STACEY McENTIRE.
04:44:14PM I AM A RESIDENT OF LAKELAND.
04:44:16PM 23 YEARS AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
04:44:18PM I DO GO TO GRAND CATHEDRAL ON A REGULAR BASIS.
04:44:22PM PROBABLY SINCE THEIR OPENING.
04:44:28PM THIS IS WHAT I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT THEM.
04:44:30PM FIRST OFF, JUST BECAUSE YOU KEEP HARPING ON THIS MUNICIPAL
04:44:36PM CODE, D.
04:44:37PM NO ONE READ THE LAST PART.
04:44:38PM AFTER RECEIVING REASONABLE NOTICE TO TERMINATE AND CORRECT
04:44:42PM ANY POSITION AS IN VIOLATION OF SUCH CODE, ORDINANCE AND
04:44:45PM LAW.
04:44:45PM I THINK YOU GOT TIDE UP ON THE NOT LIMITED TO PREVIOUS, BUT
04:44:49PM THE END OF IT PRETTY MUCH SAID WHAT IT WAS AND THE LAWYERS
04:44:52PM CAN FIGHT THAT OUT.
04:44:53PM I DON'T REALLY CARE.
04:44:54PM THE OTHER THING IS, I HAVE BEEN THERE.
04:44:57PM I HAVE HEARD MUCH LOUDER MUSIC WHERE I ASKED ANGELA THAT I
04:45:02PM MET FROM HER BUSINESS, WHERE I HAVE ASKED THEM TO TURN THE
04:45:06PM MUSIC UP SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO HEAR PEOPLE'S CARS AND
04:45:10PM EVERYTHING DOWN THE ROAD THAT WERE PLAYING MUCH LOUDER
04:45:12PM MUSIC.
04:45:13PM AND EVERYTHING THERE IS CONVERSATION LEVEL.
04:45:15PM NOW WHEN THEY HAD LIVE MUSIC.
04:45:18PM THAT IS ONE THING.
04:45:19PM I AM SURE THAT WAS A LOT LOUDER, BUT EVERY TIME I HAVE BEEN
04:45:23PM THERE, IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN WITH THE SPEAKERS ON THE PATIO.
04:45:28PM I WAS THERE ON DECEMBER 11, WHEN THEY HAD THEIR LAST CATERED
04:45:33PM EVENT.
04:45:33PM I WAS THERE FOR SMOKING SHIELDS EVENT.
04:45:36PM I LOOKED AT THE TIMELINE AND I LEAVE WHEN THEY TURN THE
04:45:40PM MUSIC OFF ON THE PATIO.
04:45:41PM ACCORDING THIS, I LEFT AT 9:00 P.M. I WANTED TO SAY MY
04:45:47PM PEACE.
04:45:48PM GRAND CATHEDRAL HAS BEEN EXCELLENT SUPPORTER OF LAW
04:45:51PM ENFORCEMENT.
04:45:51PM I CAN TELL YOU THAT EVEN WHEN THE PAST COUPLE OF HURRICANES HAVE
04:45:55PM COME THROUGH, THEY MADE A POINT OF MAKING SURE THEY HAD FOOD
04:45:59PM AVAILABLE FOR ANY FIRST RESPONDERS THAT HAD TO WORK DURING
04:46:02PM THE HURRICANE.
04:46:02PM THEY MADE EVERY EFFORT.
04:46:03PM OUR MEMBERS -- I REMEMBER SOME OF MY FIRST ARRESTS IN THE
04:46:07PM AREA THE PLACE WAS BLIGHTED.
04:46:09PM GRAND CATHEDRAL HAS GONE A LONG WAY TO CLEAN IT UP.
04:46:14PM I TONIGHT SEE THE TRASH PILES ALONG THE SIDEWALKS ANYMORE.
04:46:17PM DO WITH THAT WHAT YOU WILL, I THINK THEY SHOULD KEEP THEIR
04:46:21PM LICENSE AND AS SET TO THE COMMUNITY.
04:46:23PM AND MAYBE IF THE NEIGHBORS WOULD WORK WITH THEM ALSO, THAT
04:46:27PM WILL BE HELPFUL.
04:46:28PM THAT'S ALL I GOT.
04:46:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
04:46:30PM MRS. STATE YOUR NAME.
04:46:32PM >> YES, SIR, ROGER GRUNKA.
04:46:37PM I AM RESIDENT 2708 NORTH ELMORE AVENUE.
04:46:42PM SO UNIQUE REST ANTS AND BARS PEPPERED THROUGHOUT THE
04:46:48PM RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT ARE THE VERY THINGS THAT DIFFERENTIATE
04:46:52PM THE URBAN, HISTORIC AND MUCH SOUGHT-AFTER RESIDENTIAL
04:46:55PM DISTRICTS FROM THE SOCIALLY ISOLATED AUTO CENTRIC SUBURBAN
04:47:02PM DISTRICTS THAT CHARACTERIZE THE COUNTY.
04:47:04PM THE ABILITY OF RESIDENTS TO FREQUENT SUCH VENUES WITHOUT
04:47:12PM NEEDING TO DRIVE TO THEM IS ADVANTAGEOUS ON MANY LEVELS.
04:47:16PM LEE'S GROCERY AND KING STATE ARE TWO BELOVED VENUES IN TAMPA
04:47:22PM HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
04:47:24PM THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOVES ITS URBAN BUT RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER.
04:47:28PM AND WE LOVE OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES.
04:47:29PM HOWEVER, ALL OF THOSE BUSINESSES MUST BE USER SAFE,
04:47:37PM NEIGHBORHOOD SAFE, AND CONSIDERATE.
04:47:39PM CONSIDERATE ABOVE AND BEYOND OFFICIAL REGULATIONS,
04:47:45PM CONSIDERATE A OF THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND
04:47:49PM THEIR FAMILIES OUR BUSINESSES NEWS COMPLY WITH LIFE SAFETY
04:47:58PM CODE AND PROCEDURES AND CONSIDER THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS
04:48:02PM MANDATED BY LAW FOR THOSE BUILDINGS WITHIN THE NATIONAL AND
04:48:08PM LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
04:48:10PM THE GRAND CATHEDRAL IS IN SUCH A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
04:48:14PM AND MUST COMPLY WITH ALL THE REGULATIONS.
04:48:17PM AS A PRESERVATION ARCHITECT, URBAN THEORIST AND RESIDENT OF
04:48:23PM TAMPA HEIGHTS, I AM ASKING COUNCIL TO FIRMLY GUIDE THE GRAND
04:48:28PM CENTRAL GROUP TO FULL COMPLIANCE TO ALL OF THE STANDARDS
04:48:38PM JUST AS MUCH YOU WOULD EXPECT THEM TO COMPLY IN ANY OTHER --
04:48:42PM ANY OTHER BUSINESS TO COMPLY.
04:48:43PM WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY WONDERFUL GOING ON HERE IN
04:48:48PM TAMPA.
04:48:48PM AND THAT IS THE EMERGENCE OF THE HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL BUT
04:48:59PM URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD.
04:48:59PM THEY ARE NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN GO OUT AND MANUFACTURE IN THE
04:49:06PM COUNTY.
04:49:07PM THEY ARE PRECIOUS AND THEY BELONG IN THE.
04:49:16PM AND THEY HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED.
04:49:17PM MR. BENTLEY TALKED OF THE PROPERTY BEING COMMERCIAL.
04:49:20PM WELL, IT IS COMMERCIAL, BUT NOT THE SAME COMMERCIAL AS
04:49:23PM FOWLER AVENUE.
04:49:24PM I SAT ON A PATIO, HAD DRINKS IN PALM BEACH, LISTEN TOP
04:49:30PM ACOUSTIC MUSIC.
04:49:31PM I HAD A DRINK IN YBOR WHERE THE SOUND WAS DEAFENING.
04:49:35PM ONE COMMERCIAL SPACE IS NOT ANOTHER.
04:49:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:49:40PM >> THANK YOU.
04:49:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NEXT?
04:49:46PM >> GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS ERIC PARKER.
04:49:48PM I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
04:49:49PM A TAMPA NATIVE, A BUSINESS OWNER, FATHER, AND SOMEONE DEALS
04:49:53PM WITH PTSD WITH TIME IN THE MILITARY AND WORKING WITH VARIOUS
04:49:56PM GOVERNMENT AGENCIES FOR TEN YEARS.
04:49:58PM I HELD A MEMBERSHIP AT THE GRAND CATHEDRAL FOR TWO YEARS.
04:50:06PM I TONIGHT DO WELL WITH LARGE CROWDS AND LOUD NOISES.
04:50:10PM I FIND IT ATROCIOUS THAT THE AB SUSPENSION AFTER ALL THAT
04:50:16PM GRAND CATHEDRAL DID TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
04:50:19PM IT IS NEIGHBORS THAT DON'T LIKE CIGARS.
04:50:21PM IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN TO THE GRAND CATHEDRAL, NOT A NIGHT
04:50:25PM CLUB WHERE UNDERAGED MINORS ARE DRINK WHERE THEY CAN'T STAND
04:50:28PM UP.
04:50:28PM NOT A PLACE WHERE CONCERTS ARE BEING HELD.
04:50:31PM NOT A PLACE WITH DRUGS ARE BEING DEALT AND CONSUMED.
04:50:34PM LIKE-MINDED INDIVIDUALS WHERE I WOULD GUESS THE AVERAGE AGE
04:50:38PM IS THE UPPER 40s.
04:50:39PM SECURITY INVESTIGATOR MYSELF.
04:50:41PM I WAS RECRUITED TO TAKE PART IN A TASK FORCE OF THE SAFETY
04:50:44PM AND SECURITY OF YBOR.
04:50:46PM LIVE FEED WITH THE BAR AND RESTAURANTS.
04:50:50PM AND SIGH HE WHAT GOES DOWN ON YBOR CITY DAILY.
04:50:54PM I USED TO FREQUENT YBOR CITY FOR CIGARS UNTIL HE WAS
04:50:59PM BRUTALLY ATTACKED FROM MIND AND ROBBED OF MY WATCH.
04:51:02PM FUNNY HOW THE GRAND CATHEDRAL BEING TARGETED NO VIOLENCE AND
04:51:07PM CRIME AND DRAWS ATTENTION OF A FLUENT PEOPLE.
04:51:12PM AND NUMBER ONE PLACE FOR CIGARS IN THE WORLD.
04:51:16PM I MET ALL WALKS OF LIFE AT THE GRAND CATHEDRAL FROM ALL OVER
04:51:20PM THE UNITED STATES WHO SAID THEIR PLACE WAS ON THEIR LIST TO
04:51:23PM VISIT.
04:51:24PM AB SUSPENSION OF A FENCED-UP PATIO WITH THIS HEARING ITSELF
04:51:29PM IS A CLEARLY A MANIPULATE AS A VENDETTA BY A LOCAL RESIDENT.
04:51:38PM I WISH FOR THE BOARD TO SEE THIS RIDICULOUS CHARGE AND IT IS
04:51:42PM MISS THIS.
04:51:43PM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
04:51:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
04:51:45PM THANK YOU.
04:51:46PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
04:51:47PM >> HELLO, MICHAEL DIAUGUSTINE.
04:51:50PM 207 EAST ROSS AVENUE.
04:51:52PM I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
04:51:53PM I LIVED AT THIS ADDRESS FOR TWO YEARS.
04:51:57PM I AM ALMOST TWO BLOCKS AWAY FROM GRAND CATHEDRAL.
04:52:01PM I DIDN'T COUNT THE STEPS OR THE YEARS I LIVED HERE TO MAKE
04:52:07PM MY PRESENTATION MORE DRAMATIC, BUT I WILL SAY CATHEDRAL IS
04:52:12PM PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
04:52:13PM AND YOU KNOW, WHEN I HAVE GUESTS VISITING, I ALWAYS TAKE
04:52:16PM THEM THERE, REGARDLESS IF THEY SMOKE CIGARS OR DRINK JUST TO
04:52:21PM SHOW THEM THE FASCINATING BUILDING AND THE HISTORY THAT WAS
04:52:24PM THERE.
04:52:24PM OCCASIONS ON MY WALK OVER THAT I AM AFRAID THEY ARE NOT EVEN
04:52:28PM OPEN BECAUSE I CAN'T HEAR THE MUSIC.
04:52:30PM SO, YOU KNOW, I HAVE HEARD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS -- MY WALL IS
04:52:34PM RUMBLING AND I CAN HEAR FROM BLOCKS AWAY.
04:52:36PM THE ONLY THING I CAN HEAR FROM MY HOUSE AND I LIVE ON THE
04:52:39PM CORNER OF PALM AND FLORIDA ARE THE CARS GOING BY SO I FIND
04:52:45PM IT HARD TO BELIEVE YOU CAN HEAR MUSIC PLAYED AT A TIME WHEN
04:52:48PM THEY ARE ALLOWED TO PLAY MUSIC, YOU KNOW, DEAFENING AND
04:52:52PM RUINING YOUR DAY AFTER A HARD DAY'S WORK.
04:52:55PM IN MY PREVIOUS LIFE IN TAMPA, I OWNED A COUPLE OF
04:53:00PM RESTAURANTS.
04:53:01PM AND, YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY STOOD BEFORE COLONEL MANY YEARS
04:53:04PM AGO TO REQUEST A VARIANCE FOR ONE OF MY RESTAURANTS BECAUSE
04:53:10PM I WASN'T ZONED.
04:53:11PM I SERVED LIQUOR OUT OF MY PATIO UNKNOWINGLY UNTIL SOMEONE
04:53:16PM SHOWED UP AND TOLD ME OTHERWISE.
04:53:17PM I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.
04:53:19PM I KNOW IF YOU SUSPEND THEIR LIQUOR LICENSE, IT WILL CLOSE
04:53:23PM DOWN.
04:53:24PM YOU WILL CRIPPLE THEIR BUSINESS AND THEY WILL CLOSE DOWN.
04:53:26PM SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS MENTIONED NOW WE HAVE A SECOND
04:53:29PM ABANDONED CHURCH LIKE ON THE STREET.
04:53:31PM I SUPPORT GRAND CATHEDRAL AND THEY WILL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES
04:53:39PM TO MAKE THIS RIGHT AND A SUSPENSION OF THEIR LIQUOR LICENSE
04:53:42PM WILL CRIPPLE THEM.
04:53:43PM I WILL ASK YOU TO VOTE NO ON THIS AND TO LET THEM OPERATE
04:53:46PM BUSINESS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THANK YOU.
04:53:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:53:53PM STATE YOUR NAME.
04:53:53PM >> MICK BYEZ.
04:53:56PM 25 YEARS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.
04:53:58PM 11 AND A HALF OF THAT WAS WITH THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
04:54:01PM I RUN THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS OF GRAND CATHEDRAL AND THE
04:54:06PM GENERAL MANAGER.
04:54:06PM A SAFE AND SPECIAL PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND ENJOY CIGARS
04:54:10PM IN THE CIGAR CAPITAL OF THE WORLD, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
04:54:12PM WE ARE YBOR CITY WHERE THERE IS DOCUMENTED INVESTIGATIONS
04:54:17PM THAT LED TO SHOOTINGS, YET THESE PLACES ARE ALLOWED TO RUN
04:54:21PM UNTIL THIS DAY.
04:54:22PM THIS IS ALL STEMMING OF COMPLAINTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS OF
04:54:25PM LOUD MUSIC AND DISTURBANCES BUT ZERO NOISE REPORT FOR
04:54:31PM VIOLATIONS FROM THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT IF THERE WERE
04:54:34PM VIOLATIONS, IT WOULD BE DOCUMENTED.
04:54:36PM ANYONE CAN CAUSE A NOISE VIOLATION ON ANYONE INCLUDING YOU,
04:54:40PM BUT ARE THEY REALISTIC ONES.
04:54:43PM POLICE DEPARTMENT DETERMINED IT WAS NOT.
04:54:46PM THE P.I.'S TESTIMONY, NO REPORT OF LOUD MUSIC OR THE CITY TO
04:54:51PM LOOK INTO THE ALLEGATIONS.
04:54:52PM STRAIGHT TO THE PERMITS THAT DIFFERENT FOLKS HAVE DIFFERENT
04:54:56PM INTERPRETATIONS ON.
04:54:56PM REGARDING THE NEIGHBOR WHO WORKS FOR THE CITY.
04:54:59PM THERE IS NO BULLYING, I ASSURE YOU OF THAT.
04:55:02PM HOWEVER, WE BELIEVE THERE MIGHT BE GOING ON WITH HIM
04:55:06PM ACCESSING CITY COMPUTERS.
04:55:07PM AT TAMPA PD.
04:55:09PM THIS WAS A BIG NO-NO.
04:55:11PM UP DON'T USE CITY COMPUTERS FOR PERSONAL ISSUES, OTHER THAN
04:55:19PM CITY BUSINESS.
04:55:20PM WHEN DO WE HAVE GOVERNMENT TO ISSUE WARNINGS.
04:55:23PM THAT IS NOT HOW IT WORKS.
04:55:24PM GRAND CATHEDRAL HAS DONE EXTRAORDINARY THINGS IN THE
04:55:27PM COMMUNITY.
04:55:27PM EVENTS HAVE RAISED OVER $300,000 FOR CITY OF TAMPA FOR FIRST
04:55:32PM RESPONDERS AND MILITARY.
04:55:33PM THAT IS EXTRAORDINARY AND HAS A HUGE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY
04:55:37PM AS A WHOLE.
04:55:39PM THE OUTDOOR IS OPEN -- OUR DOORS ARE OPEN TO ANYONE WHO
04:55:42PM WANTS TO COME SIT WITH US.
04:55:43PM WE WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
04:55:45PM IT IS NOT ABOUT US VERSUS THEM.
04:55:47PM THIS SHOULDN'T HAVE EVEN GOTTEN TO THIS POINT.
04:55:51PM IF WE HAD GOTTEN A WARNING, WE WOULD HAVE TAKEN CARE OF IT
04:55:54PM RIGHT AWAY.
04:55:54PM I ENCOURAGE YOU AND IMPLORE YOU TO GIVE US ANOTHER CHANCE
04:55:58PM AND LET US DO THE RIGHT THING BY THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
04:56:00PM BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE BENEFIT FROM GRAND CATHEDRAL.
04:56:03PM AND I WILL END IT WITH THIS FROM A FAMOUS QUOTE FROM
04:56:08PM CARLITO FUENTE.
04:56:10PM IT IS NOT ABOUT THE CIGARS.
04:56:11PM IT IS ABOUT THE PEOPLE.
04:56:12PM THANK YOU.
04:56:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:56:15PM NEXT SPEAKER.
04:56:15PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
04:56:17PM >> HELLO, MY NAME IS TONY GOMEZ.
04:56:20PM I STAND BEFORE YOU TO HIGHLIGHT THE REMARKABLE PHILANTHROPIC
04:56:26PM EFFORTS OF GRAND CATHEDRAL CIGARS OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS.
04:56:31PM SINCE ITS BEGINNING, THEY HAVE WORKED WITH CHARITABLE
04:56:37PM ORGANIZATIONS, HOSTING FUNDRAISERS, CHARITIES AND MAKING A
04:56:41PM SIGNIFICANT IMPACT IN OUR COMMUNITY.
04:56:42PM 2022, GRAND CATHEDRAL CIGARS SUCCESSFULLY RACED OVER
04:56:48PM $125,000 FOR THE TAMPA POLICE MOUNTED UNITS, CONTRIBUTING TO
04:56:53PM THE PURCHASE OF HORSES AND MAINTENANCE UNITS.
04:56:56PM GRAND CATHEDRAL CIGARS BENEFITING THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
04:57:00PM FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT.
04:57:01PM IN A NOTABLE INITIATIVE, GRAND CATHEDRAL CIGARS HOSTED
04:57:05PM SMOKING SHIELDS, A NATIONAL CLUB OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AND
04:57:09PM MILITARY CIGAR ENTHUSIASTS.
04:57:12PM FLORIDA CHAPTER, THE LARGEST IN THE COUNTRY, HELD THE FIRST
04:57:15PM ANNUAL NATIONAL SUMMIT AT GRAND CATHEDRAL CIGARS RAISING
04:57:19PM $52,000 IN FOUR HOURS.
04:57:22PM A SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF THESE FUNDS WERE REDIRECTED TO
04:57:26PM TAMPA AND HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY CHARITIES.
04:57:29PM NOTABLY IN 2023, DONATED $10,000 TO METROPOLITAN MINISTRIES,
04:57:34PM TAMPA POLICE EXPLORERS, AND TAMPA POLICE BLACK HISTORY
04:57:38PM COMMITTEE.
04:57:39PM THIS EXTENDS ANNUALLY FOR THE KNIGHTS OF ST. JOHN PROVIDING
04:57:44PM CHRISTMAS PRESENTS TO CHILDREN AT LOCAL CANCER HOSPITALS AND
04:57:47PM FAMILIES FACING FINANCIAL CHALLENGES IN TAMPA THE ADDITIONAL
04:57:53PM RECIPIENTS OF GRAND CATHEDRAL, KIWI VOLLEY WALL, TAMPA
04:57:58PM POLICE BENEVOLENT ASSOCIATION AND MULTIPLE DONATIONS TO
04:58:02PM SMOKING SHIELDS FLORIDA CHAPTER.
04:58:04PM THESE CONTRIBUTIONS HAVE HELPED POLICE OFFICERS FACING
04:58:08PM PERSONAL CATASTROPHES FROM HOUSE FIRE, TO SICKNESS AND LOSS.
04:58:13PM MOREOVER, BEYOND THE FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION, THE PROPRIETOR
04:58:18PM OF GRAND CATHEDRAL CIGARS PERSONALLY DELIVERS EVENT FOOD TO
04:58:24PM THE PEOPLE UNDER THE BRIDGE IN TAMPA.
04:58:26PM HER SELFLESS ACTS OFTEN IN THE DARK OF NIGHT EMBODY THE
04:58:31PM SPIRIT OF COMMUNITY THAT DEFINES GRAND CATHEDRAL CIGARS.
04:58:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:58:38PM YES, MA'AM.
04:58:38PM STATE YOUR NAME.
04:58:39PM >> MY NAME IS NICOLE PETERIKA.
04:58:43PM I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
04:58:44PM A DESIGN PROFESSIONAL, A BUSINESS OWNER AND RESIDENTS OF
04:58:47PM TAMPA HEIGHTS 501 EAST AMELIA AVENUE.
04:58:50PM I AM MERELY HERE IN SUPPORT OF FOLLOWING THE RESERVATIONS
04:58:54PM AND THE RULES REGARDING PERMITTING IN ALL ASPECTS.
04:58:57PM I UNDERSTAND WE ARE NOT TO CONSIDER SOME OF THE -- SOME OF
04:59:01PM THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY ISSUE, BUT I WOULD SAY IS
04:59:08PM THE AB PERMIT EVEN VALID WITH ALL OF THE OTHER PRECEDENCE OF
04:59:14PM UNACCEPTABLE, NONCOMPLIANT ISSUES.
04:59:17PM OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK I AGREE WITH EVERY OTHER TAMPA
04:59:21PM HEIGHTS RESIDENTS.
04:59:22PM WE LOVE OUR BUSINESSES.
04:59:23PM AGAIN, LEE'S GROCERY IS JUST A STONE'S THROW FROM MY HOME.
04:59:29PM IT HAS BEEN A STAPLE SINCE WE MOVED INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD
04:59:33PM OVER TEN YEARS AGO.
04:59:34PM AND.
04:59:35PM YOU KNOW, THEY SERVE ALCOHOL, IT IS FINE.
04:59:40PM WE LOVE IT.
04:59:41PM IT IS PART OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
04:59:43PM WE WANT THAT FABRIC, BUT WE WANT EVERYONE TO FOLLOW THE
04:59:48PM RULES.
04:59:48PM THANK YOU.
04:59:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM, STATE YOUR NAME.
04:59:51PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
04:59:55PM EVEN THOUGH I NEVER BEEN IN GRAND CATHEDRAL, I AM PROBABLY
04:59:58PM THE ONLY PERSON IN THE WHOLE ROOM WHO NEVER BEEN THERE.
05:00:01PM EVEN THOUGH THAT IS THE CASE, I AM IN SUPPORT OF GRAND
05:00:05PM CATHEDRAL.
05:00:06PM AND ALL I HEAR THIS AFTERNOON FROM BOTH PARTIES, IT IS,
05:00:11PM LIKE, INSTEAD OF A CODE ENFORCEMENT EMPLOYEE FROM THE CITY
05:00:17PM GO TO THAT ESTABLISHMENT AND MAKE THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OR I
05:00:24PM AM GETTING YOU -- SERVING ALCOHOL IN A PART THAT IS NOT WET
05:00:27PM ZONE OR WHAT I HEAR IS SOME PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR GO UNDER
05:00:35PM THEIR -- NOT SAYING WHO IT IS.
05:00:38PM NOW IT IS NOT A PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR ANYMORE BECAUSE NOW WE
05:00:41PM ALL SEE HIS FACE.
05:00:42PM MAKING A CASE AND ENTRAPMENT AND ORCHESTRATING THIS
05:00:47PM SITUATION JUST BECAUSE BETWEEN NEIGHBORS AND THIS
05:00:56PM ESTABLISHMENT.
05:00:57PM SINCE WHEN A BEER -- I NEVER SEEN A BEVERAGE ALCOHOLIC
05:01:04PM MAKING A MICROPHONE AND SINGING.
05:01:06PM SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THING HAS TO DO WITH THE OTHER ONE.
05:01:10PM I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT.
05:01:14PM AND -- I BELIEVE THIS IS JUST A SITUATION LIKE THE NEIGHBORS
05:01:21PM CANNOT FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THE SITUATION DONE FOR THE
05:01:25PM NOISE.
05:01:25PM AND THE ONLY WAY THAT THEY FIND OUT IS MAKING A CASE TO THE
05:01:32PM ESTABLISHMENT, GETTING AFFECTED IN THE BUSINESS THROUGH A
05:01:36PM SUSPENSION OF LIQUOR LICENSE.
05:01:38PM THANK YOU.
05:01:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:01:41PM YES, MA'AM.
05:01:41PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
05:01:43PM >> MY NAME --
05:01:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SAY IT AGAIN.
05:01:46PM >> -- I LIVE IN HARBOUR ISLAND.
05:01:50PM MUCH CLOSE TO THE GRAND CATHEDRAL.
05:01:54PM AND I -- I NEED SOMEBODY TO HELP ME READ A LETTER.
05:01:58PM BECAUSE MY SPEECH IS VERY HEAVY, THE ACCENT.
05:02:02PM I HOPE EVERYONE CAN UNDERSTAND ABOUT MY HARBOUR ISLAND 0%
05:02:09PM LEAVING LAST NIGHT.
05:02:10PM WE HAD A MEETING BECAUSE WE REALLY WANT TO SUPPORT GRAND
05:02:14PM CATHEDRAL BECAUSE THEY HAVE DONE SO MUCH FOR OUR CITY.
05:02:17PM NOT ONLY -- HARBOUR ISLAND --
05:02:25PM >> SHE WANTS ME TO READ THE STATEMENT SO --
05:02:27PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I UNDERSTOOD WHAT SHE SAID ALREADY.
05:02:30PM >> RIGHT NOW I HAVE A LETTER.
05:02:31PM PLEASE, GIVE ME TWO MINUTES.
05:02:32PM PLEASE, THANK YOU.
05:02:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PUT THE --
05:02:35PM >> DEAR COUNCILMEMBERS.
05:02:36PM I AM A RESIDENT HERE AND I LIVE IN THE DOWNTOWN TAMPA AREA,
05:02:40PM HARBOUR ISLAND BOULEVARD.
05:02:41PM IN FRONT OF MY BUILDING IS THE WESTIN HOTEL AND WESTERN
05:02:45PM SOCIAL.
05:02:46PM SOUND OF MUSIC EVERY DAY AND NO ONE TO COMPLAIN BECAUSE WE
05:02:49PM THINK THAT DEVELOPMENTS AND THE NEEDS OF OUR CITY ARE ALSO
05:02:51PM THE PRIDE OF OUR CITY SO MORE PEOPLE CAN ENJOY REAL LIFE AND
05:02:54PM BRING A LOT OF EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES AND CITY
05:02:57PM DEVELOPMENT.
05:02:57PM THE PLACE WHERE I LIVE IS FIVE MINUTES AWAY FROM THIS GRAND
05:03:00PM CATHEDRAL CIGAR STORE.
05:03:02PM THREE YEARS AGO THE STREET WAS DEAD AND DARK.
05:03:04PM SINCE ITS OPENING OF THIS STORE, THE STREET HAS BROUGHT
05:03:07PM LIGHT.
05:03:08PM LIGHT AND POPULARITY.
05:03:09PM MANY RETIREES THAT LIKE TO COME TO THEIR PLACE AND ENJOY THE
05:03:13PM STORE.
05:03:13PM THE STORE IS NOT ONLY FOR BUSINESS.
05:03:16PM THEY BRING DEVELOPMENT TO OUR CITY.
05:03:20PM I HOPE MORE STORES NEAR THEM IN THE NEAR FUTURE AND MORE
05:03:24PM CHURCHES THAT CAN START BUSINESSES.
05:03:25PM WE CAN'T BE AFRAID OF OUR FEW VOICES.
05:03:27PM YES NEED TO DEVELOP TO AFFECT THE INTEREST OF MOST PEOPLE IN
05:03:30PM OUR CITY AND NOT LET A FEW PEOPLE INFLUENCE THE PROGRESS OF
05:03:33PM MOVING FORWARD.
05:03:33PM THIS IS NOT 1950 OR 1960, NOW THE WORLD IS MOVING
05:03:38PM FORWARD IN 2024.
05:03:39PM THE COUNTRY IS MOVING FORWARD AND OUR CITY SHOULD MOVE
05:03:42PM FORWARD.
05:03:42PM IT WILL GET BETTER AND BETTER AND DEVELOP MORE PROSPEROUSLY.
05:03:48PM MORE CHURCHES BY THEIR STORE.
05:03:51PM WHY CAN'T THEY OPEN IT BECAUSE A SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE
05:03:55PM COMPLAIN FOILS AND TRAFFIC.
05:03:57PM SOME PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF TROUBLE AND THEY LEAVE.
05:03:59PM THIS STREET IS A STREET THAT IS A VERY DESERTED STREET.
05:04:02PM SINCE THEY HOPED THE STORE BRINGS VITALITY AND LIGHT WHICH
05:04:06PM MAINS EVER MAKES PEOPLE OPEN AGAIN.
05:04:09PM I HOPE THAT THE JUDGE WILL NOT AFFECT THE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR
05:04:11PM CITY AND THE BENEFIT OF THE ME NORTH AND THE COMPLAINTS OF
05:04:13PM THE MINORITY.
05:04:14PM WHEN THE CITY DEVELOPS AND MOVES FORWARD IT WILL MAKE THE
05:04:18PM CITY BETTER AND ONLY A FEW PEOPLE WILL EVER MEET THEIR
05:04:21PM REQUIREMENTS.
05:04:21PM I KNOW THE STORE HAS THE OPENING TIME AND CLOSING TIME.
05:04:24PM NOT THAT THERE IS NOISE 24 HOURS A DAY.
05:04:26PM I HOPE THAT THE JUDGE WILL CONSIDER THE HOPE OF MOST PEOPLE
05:04:30PM AND THE HOPE OF EVERYONE AND THE CHANGE OF EVERYONE.
05:04:32PM NOT A FEW PEOPLE THAT AFFECT OUR DEVELOPMENT OF OUR CITY.
05:04:35PM THANK YOU.
05:04:36PM >> THANK YOU.
05:04:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:04:38PM SIR, DID YOU NOT USE YOUR TIME.
05:04:40PM YOU SPOKE FOR HER -- READ FOR HER.
05:04:45PM >> TIME IN DOMINIC DI PINTO.
05:04:50PM I WAS SWORN IN.
05:04:51PM I WAS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IN THE MOST DENSELY
05:04:54PM POPULATED IN NEW JERSEY.
05:04:55PM I RAN OUR GANG DIVISION.
05:04:57PM I AM THE GRAND CATHEDRAL CIGARS SECURITY.
05:05:00PM I WILL SPEAK TO GRAND CATHEDRAL CIGARS AS A NEIGHBOR.
05:05:05PM THEY TRANSFORMED A EYESORE PARKING LOT INFESTED WITH GRASS,
05:05:11PM WEEDS AND RODENTS AND A HAS TO LOCAL RESIDENTS INCLUDING THE
05:05:14PM CHILDREN.
05:05:14PM BUILDING AT 2201 NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE PREVIOUSLY THE SITE OF
05:05:18PM A MAJOR FIRE CAUSED BY HOMELESS SQUATTER IS NOW THE
05:05:24PM TOP-RATED CIGAR LOUNGE IN THE WORLD IN CIGAR CITY, TAMPA.
05:05:28PM GRAND CATHEDRAL CIGARS TOOK IT UPON THEMSELVES TO ADDRESS
05:05:33PM PLACING A LARGE DUMPSTER IN AN ABANDONED LOT BETWEEN MORGAN
05:05:37PM AND FLORIDA AVENUE ON A AMELIA.
05:05:38PM THE DUMPSTER SERVES AS A RESPONSIBLE OPTION PREVENTING
05:05:44PM ILLEGAL DUMPING AND KEEPING THE NEIGHBORHOOD CLEAN.
05:05:47PM THEIR COMMITMENT EXTENDS FURTHER WITH A WEEKLY CREW CLEANING
05:05:50PM FROM FRANCIS TO AMELIA ON FLORIDA AVENUE, INCLUDING THE SIDE
05:05:54PM STREETS, REMOVING TRASH AND DEBRIS TO ENHANCE THE
05:05:57PM NEIGHBORHOOD'S AESTHETICS.
05:05:58PM GRAND CATHEDRAL CIGAR ACTIVELY COMBATS GRAFFITI ALONG AMELIA
05:06:06PM AVENUE BELONGING TO THE CHURCH.
05:06:07PM WE PAINT IT WHENEVER SOMEONE GRAFFITIS.
05:06:12PM IN ADDITION, BAR BARRIER ON FRANCIS TO TRY TO APPEASE THE
05:06:17PM NEIGHBORS AND KEEP THE SOUND CONTAINED IN OUR YARD.
05:06:20PM STAFF BY RETIRED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, THE ESTABLISHMENT
05:06:28PM PRIORITIZES SAFETY, EMPLOYING MEMBERS SUCH AS LIGHTING THE
05:06:31PM PATRON LOT ON EAST AMELIA AVENUE TO DETER CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.
05:06:36PM WE DILIGENTLY ENFORCE 10 P.M. CLOSURE FOR THE COURT WHERE
05:06:39PM DOOR PATIO AND MAINTAIN NEIGHBORHOOD TRANQUILITY AND USE A
05:06:45PM DECIBEL READER TO COMPLY WITH THE NOISE ORDINANCE WE ARE
05:06:47PM BOUND BY.
05:06:48PM I HAVE DONE IT SEVERAL TIMES ALL THE WAY UP TO FORREN
05:06:50PM AVENUE.
05:06:51PM TRAFFIC ON FLORIDA AVENUE IS WAY LOUDER THAN THE MUSIC
05:06:54PM COMING OUT OF OUR PATTY I DON'T HE.
05:06:56PM COMMENDABLE ACT DURING HURRICANE EON AND IDALIA, 2022 AND
05:07:03PM 2023, GRAND CATHEDRAL CIGARS OPENED THEIR PREMISE TO FIRST
05:07:07PM RESPONDERS OFFERING FOOD, BEVERAGE AND REST ROOMS FOR THOSE
05:07:11PM WORKING TIRELESSLY TO KEEP THE COMMUNITY SAFE.
05:07:14PM ADDRESSING POTENTIAL DISRUPTIONS, GRAND CATHEDRAL -- I SAID
05:07:18PM THAT ALREADY.
05:07:18PM MOREOVER THE ESTABLISHMENT PROVIDES JOB OPPORTUNITIES FOR 15
05:07:21PM TAMPA RESIDENTS CONTINUING THEIR FINANCIAL WELL BEING AND
05:07:24PM ENABLING THEM TO SUPPORT THEIR FAMILIES.
05:07:26PM GRAND CATHEDRAL CIGARS AS A NEIGHBOR NOT ONLY REVITALIZED
05:07:30PM THE SPACE BUT CONTRIBUTES TO THE BETTERMENT OF OUR
05:07:34PM COMMUNITY.
05:07:34PM IT IS ESSENTIALLY TO HIGHLIGHT CARLITO AND PRESIDENT
05:07:41PM OF FUENTE PREMIUM CIGARS SINCE 2012.
05:07:44PM EMPHASIZE AS PRO FOUND BELIEF THAT IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT THE
05:07:49PM CIGARS.
05:07:50PM IT IS ABOUT THE PEOPLE.
05:07:51PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:07:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
05:07:55PM >> DAVID STRAIT.
05:07:56PM AND I HAVE ALREADY BEEN SWORN IN.
05:07:59PM HONORARY COUNCILMEMBERS.
05:08:01PM THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THIS TIME TO SPEAK.
05:08:03PM I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF GRAND CATHEDRAL CIGARS.
05:08:08PM FOR THE RECORD I AM NOT OR NEVER WAS AN EMPLOYEE OF A
05:08:12PM EMPLOYEE A OF GRAND CATHEDRAL.
05:08:15PM I NOT ATTENDED GRAND CATHEDRAL FOR MONTHS, BUT WHEN I READ
05:08:20PM WHAT HAPPENED, I KNEW I COULDN'T JUST DO NOTHING.
05:08:23PM I HAD TO DO SOMETHING.
05:08:24PM IN MY TIME ATTENDING GRAND CATHEDRAL, I HAVE NOT SEEN
05:08:29PM ANYTHING THAT IS DISRUPTIVE.
05:08:31PM ANY CIGAR BAR OR LOUNGE, NOT JUST CATHEDRAL, THE CHANCE TO
05:08:37PM FIND SOMEONE TO CAUSE CHAOS IS EXTREMELY LOW.
05:08:40PM IF PEOPLE ARE THERE TO CAUSE CHAOS THEY WILL BE KICKED OUT.
05:08:44PM THESE AREN'T REGULAR DRINKING BAR ARES WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
05:08:47PM HERE PEOPLE DON'T GO TO THE LOUNGE TO CAUSE CHAOS.
05:08:51PM THEY GO TO ENJOY THEMSELVES.
05:08:53PM UNWIND AFTER A LONG WEEK OF WORK.
05:08:56PM TO CELEBRATE A SPECIAL OCCASION AND REUNITE WITH FRIENDS AND
05:08:59PM FAMILY THAT THEY HAVE NOT SEEN IN AGES.
05:09:01PM AS SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN IMMERSED IN THIS WORLD FOR A FEW
05:09:04PM YEARS NOW, I CAN TELL YOU PERSONALLY THAT BROTHERS AND
05:09:07PM SISTERS OF THE LEAF, WHICH IS A TERM WE LIKE TO USE ON THE
05:09:10PM CIGAR WORLD, THESE ARE SOME OF THE ABSOLUTE NICEST,
05:09:14PM KINDNESS, MOST DOWN TO EARTH, MOST CONSIDERATE PEOPLE THAT
05:09:17PM YOU WILL EVER MEET.
05:09:19PM THEIR HEARTS ARE MADE OF GOLD.
05:09:21PM CARLITO FUENTE, PRESIDENT OF ARTURO CIGARS.
05:09:29PM I MET CARLITO AND COULD NOT BE KINDER THAN ME.
05:09:33PM SOMEONE OF HIS STATUS TREATED ME LIKE FAMILY.
05:09:37PM THAT IS HOW KIND AND WONDERFUL CIGAR PEOPLE IN GENERAL.
05:09:41PM LISTEN, I UNDERSTAND IF YOU DON'T LIKE CIGARS AND ALCOHOL IN
05:09:44PM GENERAL.
05:09:45PM THAT IS TOTALLY FINE.
05:09:46PM THAT IS YOUR RIGHT.
05:09:47PM I ASK THAT WE PLEASE THINK BEYOND CIGARS OF THE PRODUCTS
05:09:51PM HERE.
05:09:51PM AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS A LOCAL BUSINESS WE ARE
05:09:54PM TALKING ABOUT.
05:09:55PM TO BE FRANK WITH YOU, TO FIND THE ENTHUSIASM TO END A
05:10:00PM BUSINESS AND END PEOPLE'S LIVELIHOODS ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING.
05:10:04PM GRAND CATHEDRAL, THE PEOPLE HAVE DONE SO MUCH AMAZING WORK
05:10:08PM FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THEY CONTINUE TO DO AMAZING WORK FOR
05:10:11PM THE COMMUNITY.
05:10:12PM AS IT IS WELL ESTABLISHED, JUST ESTABLISHING THEMSELVES IN
05:10:16PM AN AREA OF NEED.
05:10:17PM THEY HAVE DONE SO MUCH FOR THAT AREA AS WELL.
05:10:19PM ALL RIGHT.
05:10:20PM LISTEN.
05:10:20PM THERE WAS ANY VIOLATIONS OR WHATEVER, I WOULD ASK EVERYONE
05:10:25PM TO HANDLE IT LIKE ADULTS AND I CAN SPEAK FROM MY COMMENCE
05:10:28PM AND I AM ASKING YOU TO MRS. DO NOT GO WITH THE SUSPENSION.
05:10:32PM IT IS NOT WORTH IT.
05:10:35PM PEOPLE'S LIVES DON'T NEED TO BE RUINED BECAUSE OF A
05:10:40PM MISUNDERSTANDING.
05:10:40PM S THAT ALE ALL I HAVE.
05:10:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
05:10:42PM YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
05:10:43PM >> MY NAME IS ED FERNANDEZ.
05:10:46PM I AM A LOCAL TAMPA HEIGHTS RESIDENT.
05:10:49PM AND BUSINESS OWNER.
05:10:53PM I ALSO OWNED A RESTAURANT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
05:10:56PM GRAND CATHEDRAL CIGARS IS VERY INSTRUMENTAL TO OUR FABRIC OF
05:11:01PM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
05:11:02PM I HAVE GOT A SPEECH HERE, BUT I AM GOING TO SPEAK FROM THE
05:11:07PM HEART.
05:11:07PM I HAVE BEEN A MEMBER THERE FOR THREE YEARS.
05:11:10PM THESE PEOPLE ARE SELF-LESS PEOPLE THAT GIVE BACK TO THEIR
05:11:17PM COMMUNITY.
05:11:17PM THEY ARE PATRONS.
05:11:22PM THEY ARE GREAT PEOPLE.
05:11:23PM I HAVE BEEN ATTENDING THE CATHEDRAL FOR THREE YEARS NOW.
05:11:28PM I NEVER SEEN ANY ISSUES, WHETHER CRIME, NOISE, OR ANY
05:11:35PM DISTURBANCES.
05:11:35PM THE PERSON THAT IS MAKING THESE ALLEGATIONS, WHICH IS THE
05:11:43PM CITY EMPLOYEE, ANDY McCLOSKY, BASICALLY THE ISSUE STARTED
05:11:51PM WITH HIM HAVING A DISTURBANCE WITH HIS WIFE ON MOTHER'S DAY.
05:11:55PM HE WAS SITTING ON THE SIDE PATIO.
05:11:58PM AND HIS WIFE WAS SCREAMING AT HIM.
05:12:01PM AND HE WAS OUT THERE HAVING AN ADULT BEVERAGE AND A CIGAR.
05:12:06PM AND HIS WIFE GOT UPSET ALSO.
05:12:14PM MISS MacKINNON HAS BEEN ESCORTED OUT FOR BEING DISRUPTIVE
05:12:21PM WITH CUSTOMERS.
05:12:21PM I THINK THIS IS A PERSONAL VENDETTA WITH THESE CUSTOMERS.
05:12:27PM AND THEY ARE BRINGING THIS TO LIGHT AND DIGGING UP DIRT,
05:12:36PM TRYING TO, YOU KNOW BURY THE CATHEDRAL.
05:12:45PM AND IT IS UNCALLED FOR.
05:12:46PM AND I THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD REALLY CONSIDER NOT SUSPENDING
05:12:52PM THEIR LICENSE.
05:12:56PM AND, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THIS -- KEEPING THIS BUSINESS IN
05:13:02PM OPERATION.
05:13:02PM BUSINESSES TODAY ARE SUFFERING.
05:13:06PM AND BY YOU SUSPENDING THEIR LICENSE, IT IS GOING -- YOU
05:13:10PM KNOW, IT WILL BE ANOTHER EMPTY CHURCH.
05:13:13PM THANK YOU.
05:13:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
05:13:17PM STATE YOUR NAME.
05:13:18PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
05:13:19PM MY NAME IS ANDREW SUNES, AND I HAIL TO YOU FROM ST. PETE
05:13:25PM BEACH.
05:13:25PM I MAY NOT HAVE STANDING HERE BEFORE THE COUNCIL WITH RESPECT
05:13:28PM TO WHAT I AM ABOUT TO SAY, BUT AS A VERY GOOD CUSTOMER AND
05:13:33PM LOWER SUPPORTER OF GRAND CATHEDRAL, I WANTED TO TAKE MY TIME
05:13:38PM TO COME OUT HERE TODAY TO SPEAK TO YOU FOR A FEW MOMENTS IN
05:13:40PM THEIR SUPPORT.
05:13:41PM I HAD WRITTEN DOWN A LIST OF ITEMS, THAT I WANTED TO SHARE
05:13:46PM WITH YOU ABOUT THE GRAND CATHEDRAL, BUT GIVEN THE FACT THAT
05:13:49PM I AM ONE OF THE LAST MAN STANDING, YOU HAVE HEARD IT ALL
05:13:53PM ALREADY.
05:13:53PM SO THERE IS NO NEED FOR ME TO REPEAT WHAT A GREAT CORPORATE
05:13:57PM CITIZEN THEY ARE.
05:13:58PM HOW MUCH THEY DO FOR THE COMMUNITY.
05:14:00PM YOU FOLKS UNDERSTAND THAT.
05:14:01PM BUT HAVING HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LISTEN TO BOTH SIDES, AND
05:14:07PM HAVING HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE IN WHAT BOTH SIDES ARE
05:14:13PM CONCERNED ABOUT.
05:14:13PM I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE A NEW CONCEPT TO TODAY'S HEARING.
05:14:18PM AND THAT IS, THE CONCEPT OF COMPASSION.
05:14:23PM WE HAVE A CORPORATE CITIZENS HERE IN GRAND CATHEDRAL WHO HAS
05:14:27PM WENT OUT OF THE WAY TO HELP THE COMMUNITY.
05:14:29PM WE HAVE SOME ISSUES THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE EXPLAINED THAT
05:14:34PM ARE OF CONCERN TO THEM.
05:14:36PM CLEARLY, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO WORK TOGETHER TO
05:14:40PM RESOLVE THIS.
05:14:41PM THEY ARE NOT SERVING ALCOHOL FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND AND
05:14:49PM HEARD ON THE PATIO.
05:14:50PM THAT HAS CEASED.
05:14:53PM THEY ARE DOING IT WHERE IT IS LEGALLY ALLOWING THEM TO DO
05:14:56PM SO.
05:14:56PM STRIPPING THEM OF THEIR LICENSE AND SUSPENDING THEIR LICENSE
05:15:00PM IS NOT A COMPASSIONATE RESULTS.
05:15:03PM I IMPLORE ALL OF YOU TO THINK OF COMPASSION WHEN THINKING OF
05:15:08PM YOUR DECISION TODAY.
05:15:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT SPEAKER.
05:15:11PM STATE YOUR NAME.
05:15:12PM >> I AM MATT WOLF.
05:15:15PM A RESIDENT OF TAMPA HEIGHTS.
05:15:19PM I LIVE IN A GARDEN APARTMENT NEXT TO GRAND CATHEDRAL.
05:15:24PM I WILL TO FOCUS MY DISCUSSION ON THE NO IS ISSUES.
05:15:28PM I MOVED HERE NOT TOO LONG AGO FROM THE LOCATION IN FLORIDA.
05:15:31PM WHEN IT COMES TO THE NOISE, IT IS EXTREMELY LOUD AND IT IS
05:15:34PM PAST 10:00.
05:15:35PM MULTIPLE TIMES SINCE I HAVE LIVED WHERE I LIVE.
05:15:39PM AND I DON'T LIVE DIRECTLY FACING THE STREET ON FRANCIS.
05:15:42PM I AM PROBABLY 200, 00 FEET AWAY.
05:15:46PM NOT EVEN HAVING MY WINDOWS OPEN.
05:15:48PM I AM ALL FOR SUPPORTING BUSINESS.
05:15:50PM I COME FROM A LOCAL AREA THAT REALLY ENGAGED THEIR SMALL
05:15:54PM LOCAL BUSINESSES AS PART OF THE KNIT AND QUILT OF THEIR
05:15:57PM COMMUNITY.
05:15:57PM SO I AM NOT AGAINST BUSINESS.
05:15:59PM I ACTUALLY WORK FOR A DEVELOPER.
05:16:01PM I AM FOR DEVELOPMENT.
05:16:03PM I HAVE TO FOLLOW RULES AS WELL IN MY BUSINESS.
05:16:05PM I HAVE TO MAKE SURE I CROSS MY Ts AND DOT MY Is.
05:16:11PM I HOPE IN THIS CASE THAT THIS INDIVIDUAL BUSINESS IS DOING
05:16:14PM THE SAME SO EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME STANDING HERE.
05:16:17PM WHETHER OR NOT -- I AM NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE STUFF
05:16:21PM BEFORE I MOVED HERE, BUT I KNOW LOUD NOISE.
05:16:25PM IF YOU HAVE A FAMILY OR EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE A FAMILY,
05:16:28PM EXTREMELY DISRUPT I HAVE IT TO SOMEONE BECAUSE THAT IS YOUR
05:16:31PM SAFE PLACE.
05:16:31PM YOU WORK ALL DAY AND YOU WANT TO COME HOME TO YOUR HOUSE AND
05:16:36PM WHEREVER YOU LIVE AND SIMPLY WANT IT TO BE QUIET AND
05:16:39PM RELAXED.
05:16:39PM NOW IF YOU WERE GOING TO LIVE IN A VERY DENSE AREA ON -- YOU
05:16:43PM KNOW -- ON A HIGH-RISE AND SO FORTH IN A LARGE CITY, THAT IS
05:16:48PM FINE.
05:16:48PM THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
05:16:49PM I AM NOT SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, SMALL BUSINESS -- I GO DOWN
05:16:53PM AND GO TO LEE'S QUITE OFTEN.
05:16:56PM BUT MY ISSUE IS WITH THAT NOISE.
05:16:58PM I CAN HEAR IT PULSATING IN MY WINDOWS AND DOORS.
05:17:03PM NOT ME BEING NIMBY AND ANYTHING.
05:17:07PM YOU HAVE TO RESPECT OTHERS.
05:17:09PM I WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND I WANT OTHERS TO BE A GOOD
05:17:14PM NEIGHBOR.
05:17:14PM I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
05:17:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SIR, YOU SPOKE EARLIER.
05:17:18PM WAS THE GENTLEMAN A WITNESS OR PART OF -- MISS
05:17:24PM JOHNSON-VELEZ?
05:17:26PM BECAUSE I SAW HIM COME UP.
05:17:27PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ.
05:17:31PM HE WAS PART OF THE CITY'S CASE SO --
05:17:34PM >> I DON'T KNOW, YOU TELL ME.
05:17:35PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: IF YOU --
05:17:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY HAVE AN ISSUE?
05:17:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK: PROBABLY NOT.
05:17:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY, YOU SPOKE.
05:17:44PM THANK YOU, SIR.
05:17:45PM YES, SIR.
05:17:46PM MRS. STATE YOUR NAME.
05:17:47PM >> MY NAME IS MATT VISI.
05:17:50PM I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE NEIGHBORS.
05:17:52PM FIRST AND FOREMOST, LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE, GRAND CENTRAL IS
05:17:58PM AWESOME.
05:17:58PM GRAND CATHEDRAL IS A FANTASTIC PLACE.
05:18:01PM I LOVE GOING THERE.
05:18:02PM HOWEVER, I WENT THERE WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT MOST CONSUMER
05:18:05PM DO THAT THE BUSINESS YOU ARE PARTAKING IN IS GOING TO BE
05:18:08PM ABOVEBOARD.
05:18:09PM NOW TO SIT HERE AND FIND OUT TODAY THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVEN'T
05:18:13PM EVEN HAD A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND HAVEN'T PASSED THE
05:18:17PM FIRE CODE, IT -- I MEAN WE ARE DEALING WITH A CIGAR LOUNGE.
05:18:23PM DRUNK PEOPLE WITH TORCHES IN THEIR HANDS NONSTOP.
05:18:26PM I AM A LITTLE ANNOYED.
05:18:27PM I SEND MY GUESTS THERE.
05:18:29PM RAY HE WILL REALLY LIKE GOING THERE.
05:18:31PM I HAVE BEEN THERE PAST 10:00 DRINKING BOURBON AND LISTENING
05:18:35PM TO LIVE MUSIC OUTSIDE.
05:18:36PM I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS OFFENDING MY FRIEND OF 20 YEARS UNTIL
05:18:39PM SHE TOLD ME.
05:18:40PM WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN HERE TODAY IS A LOT OF REALLY GOOD
05:18:43PM DEFENSES IN MITIGATION, RIGHT.
05:18:45PM NOBODY HAS PROVIDED A SINGLE SUBSTANTIVE LEGAL OR FACTUAL
05:18:50PM DEFENSE.
05:18:51PM NOTHING.
05:18:52PM THEY JUST SAY, HEY, THAT PLACE IS GREAT.
05:18:56PM A PILLAR OF THE COMMUNITY.
05:18:57PM BILL COSBY WAS GREAT.
05:18:59PM A PILLAR OF THE COMMUNITY.
05:19:01PM R. KELLY WAS GREAT.
05:19:02PM HE WAS A PILLAR OF THE COMMUNITY.
05:19:04PM YOU BREAK THE LAW, THERE NEEDS TO BE CONSEQUENCES.
05:19:07PM YOU NEED TEETH IN THE RULES, OTHERWISE PEOPLE WILL KEEP BE
05:19:11PM BREAKING THE RULES.
05:19:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
05:19:14PM COME ON UP AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
05:19:16PM >> HI, JACKIE McCLOSKY.
05:19:24PM I LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
05:19:26PM ANDY IS MY HUSBAND WHO HAS BEEN REFERENCED SEVERAL TIMES AND
05:19:31PM I WILL SPEAK ON THE BULLYING.
05:19:33PM I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE IF ACCEPTABLE.
05:19:37PM HE WANT TO CLARIFY THE COMMENTS OF MYSELF, AARON WHICH IS
05:19:40PM FALSE.
05:19:41PM NEVER SANCTIONED.
05:19:43PM WE WERE NEVER REMOVED FROM GRAND CATHEDRAL.
05:19:46PM NOT ME, MY NEWS OR AND NOT ERIN.
05:19:48PM I DON'T HAVE FINAL TO ANSWER HIS QUESTION.
05:19:51PM GRAND CATHEDRAL GAVE A COMPLAINT AGAINST HIM AND THE CITY
05:19:58PM CLEARED IT AND IT IS IN ALL YOUR FILE AND IT WAS NEVER
05:20:01PM FORMAL.
05:20:02PM HE DID NOT USE COMPUTER OR HIS WORK RESOURCES.
05:20:05PM EVERYTHING WAS ON HIS PERSONAL COMPUTER ON HIS OWN TIME.
05:20:08PM EVERYTHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY IS PUBLIC RECORD ON
05:20:11PM THE ACELA AND THE OTHER RESOURCES.
05:20:14PM THE CITIZENS DIDN'T ISSUE A WARNING.
05:20:19PM SOMEONE SAID THAT.
05:20:20PM THEY TALKED OF THE SOUND BARRIER.
05:20:22PM A GREEN FIVE-FOOT THING THAT DONE STOP SOUND FROM AN OUTSIDE
05:20:26PM COURTYARD.
05:20:27PM I DON'T MIND THE BLOCKING.
05:20:28PM I DON'T WANT TO SEE THEM IN MY FRONT YARD BECAUSE OF
05:20:31PM EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED.
05:20:32PM MENTIONED THE DECIBEL READER.
05:20:34PM NOT HOW THE CITY CITES COMMUTER NOISE VIOLATION.
05:20:39PM THAT IS WHAT THE POLICE.
05:20:40PM NOT THE CITY CODE.
05:20:42PM A DISCREPANCY.
05:20:44PM BULLYING I WILL GET TO IN A SECOND.
05:20:46PM I HOPE THAT EVERYBODY'S TESTIMONY DID NOT MAKE YOU FORGET
05:20:51PM WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE BEGIN.
05:20:53PM MISS GWEN AND MISS LYNN.
05:20:57PM THANK YOU BECAUSE OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAD FOR YEARS.
05:20:59PM QUICK REVIEW OF THE FIRE INSPECTION IN FEBRUARY 2021.
05:21:02PM THEY NEED TO BE PROPERLY ZONED FOR WHAT THEY DO AND GET FIRE
05:21:06PM ALARM MAINTENANCE AND GET IT DONE IMMEDIATE ME.
05:21:09PM IT WASN'T DONE.
05:21:10PM FEBRUARY 2023, CITED FOR WORK WOULDN'T PERMITS.
05:21:14PM FOR ALL THE SUPPORTERS, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY REALLY
05:21:17PM UNDERSTAND THAT.
05:21:17PM CONTINUE WITH THE TIMELINE, I AT THAT TALKED TO THE OWNER
05:21:21PM MISS YU MAYBE THREE TIMES, NOT A LOT ON HER SIDE AND HERS.
05:21:25PM ALWAYS CIVIL.
05:21:27PM NO ISSUES WITH THAT.
05:21:28PM FEBRUARY 2023, WHEN I CALLED OUT OF MANY ATTEMPTS OVER THE
05:21:31PM YEARS TO CALL THE ESTABLISHMENT BECAUSE OF MUSIC, SHE
05:21:34PM HAPPENED TO ANSWER.
05:21:34PM I ASKED HER TO LOWER IT.
05:21:35PM TWO WEEKS LATER ON MARCH 8, I RECEIVED A TRESPASSING
05:21:40PM WARNING.
05:21:40PM I HAVE IT TO HERE TO SHOW YOU.
05:21:42PM MY HUSBAND ALSO RECEIVED ONE.
05:21:44PM MOVING FORWARD AUGUST 2023 AND OCTOBER 2023, BACK TO THAT
05:21:48PM WORK WITHOUT PERMITS FROM FEBRUARY.
05:21:50PM THEY FAILED ON THE CASE -- IT SAID FAILED.
05:21:54PM AND THEN JUST RECENTLY THEY WERE CITED FOR NOT HAVING A
05:21:58PM CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
05:21:58PM HOW ARE THEY ABLE TO OPERATE WITH ALL OF THESE ISSUES AND
05:22:03PM LASTLY I NEED TO SAY IT ON RECORD.
05:22:05PM I AM VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.
05:22:07PM I WOULD LIKE TO TALK MORE OF THE BULLYING.
05:22:09PM EVEN ON THEIR FACEBOOK THEY REPRESENT "NEIGHBOR."
05:22:13PM REFERENCE "NEIGHBOR" THAT CAUSED ALL OF THIS.
05:22:15PM I HOPE SUPPORTERS KNOW THIS IS NOT ALL ABOUT NOISE, BUT ALL
05:22:18PM OF THE THINGS THEY DIDN'T DO PROPERLY AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND
05:22:21PM WHY THE CITY OR WHOEVER DIDN'T ENFORCE THIS.
05:22:24PM BUT NOW FOR THE -- IT IS NOW ABOUT THE NEIGHBORS TO ADVOCATE
05:22:28PM FOR THEMSELVES AND I FEEL VERY UNCOMFORTABLE, I AM IN A ROOM
05:22:32PM FULL OF MEN, LARGER MEN THAN ME.
05:22:35PM AND I AM SPEAKING OUT ON OF EVERYTHING AS WELL AS ERIN AND I
05:22:39PM DON'T FEEL SAFE.
05:22:40PM I HOPE THAT IS ON THE RECORD.
05:22:44PM >>BILL CARLSON: FOR LAND USE AND THESE KIND OF CASES, WE ARE
05:22:47PM ALLOW TO ASK THE PUBLIC QUESTIONS, CORRECT?
05:22:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
05:22:53PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO ASK YOU MORE QUESTIONS.
05:22:54PM SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT TESTIFIED ABOUT BULLYING.
05:22:57PM COULD YOU DESCRIBE WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR HUSBAND AND OR YOU.
05:23:02PM THERE WAS ALLEGATION THAT A -- THAT AN ATTORNEY ON BEHALF OF
05:23:06PM THE OWNER SENT -- SENT A LETTER.
05:23:08PM CAN YOU DESCRIBE THAT?
05:23:10PM COULD YOU DESCRIBE ANY OTHER KIND OF CONVERSATION TO YOUR
05:23:13PM KNOWLEDGE, WAS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WAS QUOTE, UNQUOTE
05:23:17PM BULLIED AND WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE IT AS BULLYING.
05:23:21PM >> SURE.
05:23:23PM THANK YOU FOR ASKING QUESTIONS FOR ME.
05:23:24PM AFTER TWO YEARS OF TRYING TO HANDLE THIS DIRECTLY WITH THEM.
05:23:27PM THEY HAD A PREVIOUS MANAGER.
05:23:28PM HIS NAME WAS STEVE.
05:23:30PM WE USED TO TALK ONE ON ONE.
05:23:32PM HE WOULD TURN DOWN THE MUSIC WHEN WE TEXTED.
05:23:35PM HE LEFT AND WE NO LONGER TALKED TO HIM.
05:23:38PM WE WOULD CALL THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE NONEMERGENCY LINE.
05:23:40PM NOTHING CAME OF THAT.
05:23:41PM SO WE HAD TO CONTACT THEM OURSELVES.
05:23:44PM WE WENT OVER -- AND THIS GENTLEMAN SAID ON MOTHER'S DAY.
05:23:50PM THE FIRST THING -- WE DIDN'T HAVE AN ARGUMENT ON THE PATIO.
05:23:54PM HE SAID MOTHER'S DAY, SITTING ON THE PATIO.
05:23:58PM I DIDN'T FOLLOW THAT.
05:23:59PM NOVEMBER 2022.
05:24:00PM THEY WERE HAVING THE STAFF PARTY TUESDAY AT A 11:30 AT
05:24:04PM NIGHT.
05:24:05PM THE MUSIC IS POUNDING -- AND SMIRKING BEHIND ME.
05:24:08PM SMIRKING IN OUR HOUSE RANDOMLY.
05:24:12PM NOT EVERY DAY, NO.
05:24:13PM DIFFERENT TIMES AND DOES NOT STOP AT 10 P.M. OFTEN GOES ON
05:24:18PM UNTIL MIDNIGHT.
05:24:19PM WE HAVE DOCUMENTED THIS AND VIDEO -- I KNOW YOU ASKED ME A
05:24:22PM DIRECT QUESTION.
05:24:23PM WE WENT OVER THERE AND STOOD THE ENTIRE TIME OUTSIDE THE
05:24:27PM FENCE WHERE ITS GREEN TARP AND HAD TO GET THEIR ATTENTION
05:24:29PM AND WE ASKED THEM TO LOWER IT.
05:24:31PM THE MUSIC WAS SO LOUD.
05:24:33PM I COULDN'T SAY EXCUSE ME, WE HAVE TO TALK TO YOU AND WE HAD
05:24:36PM TO RAISE OUR VOICES TO SPEAK TO THEM.
05:24:38PM BOTH SEEDS WERE UPSET.
05:24:40PM WE WERE STANDING ON THE OTHER SIDE.
05:24:42PM THEY WERE ON THEIR SIDE.
05:24:43PM FEW MONTHS LATER, THEY SENT A LETTER TO HIS WORK SAYING THAT
05:24:47PM HE USED HIS CITY POWERS SINCE HE WORKS FOR THE CITY --
05:24:53PM RANDOM.
05:24:54PM HE USES CITY POWER TO EXPEDITE THIS.
05:24:57PM EVERYTHING HE DID WAS ON HIS OWN TIME.
05:24:59PM ALL PUBLIC RECORD.
05:25:00PM NOTHING HE DID -- HE IS A VERY ETHICAL PERSON.
05:25:04PM HE IS NICER THAN I AM.
05:25:05PM AND EVERYTHING HE DID IS SOMETHING THAT A NEIGHBOR WOULD DO.
05:25:08PM FIRST THING THEY SENT A COMPLAINT.
05:25:10PM THEY TRIED TO, I BELIEVE, GET HIM FIRED.
05:25:13PM AFTER THAT IS WHEN WE RECEIVED THE NO TRESPASSING.
05:25:17PM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO SHOW IT TO YOU.
05:25:20PM NO TRESPASSING.
05:25:22PM HOW DO YOU THINK THAT MAKES ME FEEL.
05:25:24PM I WALK WITH MY KIDS AND I CAN'T GO ON THE SIDEWALK AND THEY
05:25:27PM ARE GOING TO SAY NO TRESPASSING.
05:25:29PM >>BILL CARLSON: DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE LETTER SENT TO THE
05:25:32PM CITY?
05:25:32PM >> I DON'T HAVE IT HERE.
05:25:33PM IT IS IN THE FILES.
05:25:34PM I MIGHT -- IT MIGHT BE IN ERIN'S 100-PAGE DOCUMENT.
05:25:41PM IT HAS BEEN SENT -- IT IS NOT PRIVATE OR ANYTHING -- ANY
05:25:45PM MORE.
05:25:46PM ERIN HAS IT?
05:25:47PM AGAIN, JUST TO MAKE SURE I SAID THIS.
05:25:49PM HE HAS BEEN CLEARED.
05:25:50PM HE DID NOTHING WRONG.
05:25:52PM NO VIOLATION.
05:25:53PM >>BILL CARLSON: I KNOW IT IS IN THE PACKET.
05:25:56PM >>BILL CARLSON: GREAT TO SEE IT FOR THE OVERHEAD.
05:25:59PM >> I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SWITCH OVER FOR THIS.
05:26:02PM CAN SOMEONE --
05:26:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT WILL ACTIVATE.
05:26:06PM >> THIS IS MY TRESPASS WARNING.
05:26:08PM I RECEIVED ONE.
05:26:09PM THEM SPELLED MY NAME WRONG.
05:26:11PM THAT'S OKAY.
05:26:12PM MY HUSBAND ALSO RECEIVED ONE.
05:26:13PM DO YOU WANT ME TO SWITCH OVER TO -- THIS IS FROM FEBRUARY
05:26:21PM 22, 2023.
05:26:22PM SENT TO AN ABBYE -- MAYBE ABBYE FEELEY.
05:26:27PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: IT IS IN OUR RECORDS.
05:26:29PM >> IT ALSO -- IN HERE, RIGHT HERE, 9:45 P.M. THEY SAY THEY
05:26:35PM DO IT AS A COURTESY.
05:26:36PM CAN I SAY HOW UNCOMFORTABLE I FEEL SPEAKING OUT AGAINS
05:26:40PM EVERYONE WHO IS BEHIND ME.
05:26:41PM THEY SAID THEY TURN OFF THE MUSIC AT 9:45.
05:26:44PM THAT IS ABSOLUTELY FALSE.
05:26:45PM SO THEY JUST HAVE LIES IN HERE IS MY POINT I AM TRYING TO
05:26:50PM SAY.
05:26:50PM AND THEN YOU ASKED ANOTHER QUESTION.
05:26:52PM SORRY.
05:26:53PM TO GO BACK TO REPEAT.
05:26:54PM THE VIOLATIONS.
05:26:55PM WE HEAR HOW THEY SPENT A COMPLAINT TO THE PRIVATE
05:26:58PM INVESTIGATOR WHO DID THEIR JOB.
05:27:00PM ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHETHER YOU WANT TO CALL IT BULLYING OR
05:27:03PM INTIMIDATION, OR, LIKE, A FEAR TACTIC ALREADY BUT I DON'T
05:27:07PM FEEL COMFORTABLE.
05:27:09PM >>BILL CARLSON: ARE YOU AWARE OF OTHER NEIGHBORS BESIDES THE
05:27:11PM TWO OF YOU THAT FEEL LIKE THEY ARE BULLIED.
05:27:14PM >> UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE WE AS THE NOISE HEAR IT THE MOST
05:27:17PM THE NEIGHBORS UNDERSTAND AND DOESN'T AFFECT THEM LIKE IT
05:27:22PM DOES US.
05:27:22PM EXCEPT FOR ERIN WHO REPRESENTED US.
05:27:25PM THEY HAVEN'T HAD TO BE AS DIRECT AS WE HAVE.
05:27:29PM BUT THE MAIN THING NOT JUST ABOUT THE NOISE.
05:27:31PM THAT PERSONAL TO ME.
05:27:33PM CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
05:27:36PM SERVING ALCOHOL IN AN AREA NOT ZONED IT.
05:27:38PM IF THEY WERE NEVER ZONING IT, THEY WANTING OUT UNTIL 11:00
05:27:43PM DRINKING AND PLAYING MUSIC.
05:27:44PM IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAPPEN THAT WAY.
05:27:47PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
05:27:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
05:27:49PM NECESSARY SPEAKER, YES, MA'AM, STATE YOUR NAME.
05:27:52PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
05:28:06PM I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANYTHING.
05:28:07PM NUMBER ONE, WHY HASN'T THE OWNER GONE UP AND TELL EVERYBODY
05:28:10PM SHE HAVEN'T BEEN SERVING ALCOHOL OR HER DECK.
05:28:13PM I DON'T KNOW.
05:28:13PM BUT -- I MEAN, IF IT HAVEN'T HAPPENED, WHY ISN'T SHE TELLING
05:28:18PM ANYBODY.
05:28:19PM BECAUSE SHE KNOWS BETTER THAN ANYONE.
05:28:21PM AND IF YOU CAN OPERATE THE CATERING LICENSE ON THE DECK, WHY
05:28:25PM DO YOU GIVE A CRAP IF YOU TAKE THEIR LIQUOR LICENSE.
05:28:29PM OH, WAIT.
05:28:30PM OKAY.
05:28:30PM THE STAFF MEMBER INDICATED -- WAS FOUND THAT HE HAD NOT
05:28:34PM VIOLATED CODE.
05:28:35PM SO ALL THIS NONSENSE ABOUT HIM IS RIDICULOUS.
05:28:39PM HOW MANY AB LICENSES WERE ISSUED TO DUAL LAND USE
05:28:45PM PROPERTIES?
05:28:45PM PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, IF THIS WOULD HAVE ALL BEEN
05:28:49PM REZONED AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, THEN WE WOULDN'T BE HERE
05:28:52PM TODAY WASTING EVERYONE'S TIME.
05:28:54PM BECAUSE HERE -- HERE IS WHAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN.
05:28:57PM THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SERVE IT ANYWHERE ON THEIR
05:29:00PM PROPERTY.
05:29:00PM I WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY TIMES THIS HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST
05:29:04PM AND I WANT IT CHANGED IN THE CODE SO WE CAN NEVER DEAL WITH
05:29:07PM THIS CRAP AGAIN.
05:29:08PM THIS IS WASTE OF EVERYONE'S TIME AND ENERGY.
05:29:11PM I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO RECALL -- I DON'T RECALL AND YOU GUYS
05:29:14PM ALTHOUGH I READ SPECIAL EVENT CODES.
05:29:16PM I READ EVERY BIT OF THE AGENDA.
05:29:18PM I NEVER SEEN A SPECIAL EVENT CODE FOR THIS PROPERTY.
05:29:21PM YES.
05:29:22PM LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING.
05:29:23PM PEOPLE IN THE MAFIA DO NICE THINGS IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
05:29:28PM THEY MAKE THEIR MONEY ILLEGALLY.
05:29:31PM I AM SURE THESE FOLKS ARE NICE PEOPLE AND HAVE GIVEN
05:29:35PM $200,000.
05:29:35PM BUT HOW MUCH HAVE THEY MADE?
05:29:37PM HMM ... I JUST KEEP ASKING QUESTIONS.
05:29:40PM ARE THERE ANY SIGNS ON THE PATIO THAT SAID, NO DRINKS OUT
05:29:45PM HERE.
05:29:45PM I MEAN, HERE IS THE THING.
05:29:47PM IT IS AGAINST THE RULES.
05:29:48PM WHY WOULDN'T YOU HAVE A SIGN UP?
05:29:51PM MUSIC STOPS AT 10:00.
5:29:53PM YOU KNOW WHAT, SINCE HIS WIFE WAS JUST UP HERE, I WANT TO
5:29:56PM SHOW YOU THIS.
5:29:57PM THIS WAS SENT ON DECEMBER THE 2nd.
5:30:00PM THIS IS DECEMBER THE 1st.
5:30:03PM OF THIS YEAR.
5:30:06PM I'M GOING TO TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FOLKS WHO
5:30:10PM GET HARASSED AND HARANGUED, AFTER A WHILE THEY START PUTTING
5:30:17PM IN NEIGHBORHOOD ENFORCEMENT COMPLAINTS.
5:30:18PM THEY GO DIRECTLY TO NEIGHBORHOOD ENFORCEMENT.
5:30:21PM I WOULD LIKE TO PULL PUBLIC RECORDS ON THE NUMBER OF
5:30:23PM CONTACTS THESE FOLKS HAVE MADE DIRECTLY TO STAFF WHO WORK
5:30:26PM FOR NEIGHBORHOOD ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES
5:30:30PM I'VE SEEN IN SOUTH TAMPA IS WHEN PEOPLE COMPLAIN AFTER A
5:30:33PM WHILE IT KIND OF STARTS GOING THROUGH THE CUSTOMER SERVICE
5:30:36PM SYSTEM AND DIRECT CONTACT WITH THE STAFF.
5:30:40PM IT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN BUT IT DOES.
5:30:43PM PEOPLE START FEELING COMFORTABLE WITH SOMEBODY TELLING THEM
5:30:45PM WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR AS OPPOSED TO REPORTING IT
5:30:48PM ANONYMOUSLY.
5:30:53PM LET'S SEE.
5:30:54PM I'M SURE I FORGOT SOMETHING.
5:31:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:31:02PM >> WELL, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ELSE.
5:31:03PM YOU ALL HAVE A GOOD DAY.
5:31:05PM THANK YOU.
5:31:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
5:31:06PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:31:06PM NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
5:31:10PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
5:31:10PM I'M ANNELIESE MEIER, NEIGHBORHOOD ADVOCATE.
5:31:14PM I'M ACTUALLY HERE FOR ANOTHER ITEM, 46, WHICH I OPPOSE, BUT
5:31:18PM THIS WHOLE SITUATION IS JUST EERILY SIMILAR TO MY LIFE IN
5:31:24PM THE PAST 20 YEARS AND MY SITUATION ON HOWARD AVENUE, WHICH
5:31:28PM WE'VE CLEANED UP FOR THE MOST PART, BUT WE HAD TO GO THROUGH
5:31:31PM GREAT GROWTH TO GET THERE.
5:31:33PM THEY ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES HERE.
5:31:35PM MR. BENTLEY, YOU'VE DONE AN ADMIRABLE JOB.
5:31:40PM YOU HAVE REALLY TRIED TO GET YOUR PETITIONER'S POINT ACROSS,
5:31:46PM AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A GOOD BUSINESS.
5:31:48PM I GET IT.
5:31:49PM I UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBORS WANT THIS BUSINESS THERE, BUT
5:31:53PM THEY'VE GOT TO FOLLOW THE RULES.
5:31:55PM AND AS STEPHANIE SAID, THERE WERE SO MANY CHECKS AND
5:31:59PM BALANCES HERE, THE CITY IS NOT WORKING RIGHT.
5:32:01PM WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?
5:32:02PM THE CITY IS NOT WORKING RIGHT AT ALL.
5:32:05PM THIS EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY I'M SURE HE LOOKED UP EVERYTHING
5:32:11PM ON PUBLIC RECORD.
5:32:12PM WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT?
5:32:13PM IT'S ALL PUBLIC RECORD.
5:32:15PM YOU KNOW WHAT I HAVE SAT HERE DOING THIS ENTIRE TIME, DID
5:32:19PM ANYBODY GO TO THE DEPARTMENT OF PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS
5:32:21PM REGULATIONS?
5:32:22PM DID YOU LOOK AT THE PAGE FOR THIS ESTABLISHMENT?
5:32:28PM THE TWO CATERING LICENSES ARE NOT EVEN SUPPOSED TO BE
5:32:32PM LOCATED AT THAT PROPERTY.
5:32:33PM IT STATES RIGHT THERE.
5:32:35PM IT'S AN ADDRESS ON SOUTH DALE MABRY.
5:32:38PM BOTH OF THEM.
5:32:38PM RENEE'S MEXICAN KITCHEN IS THERE.
5:32:41PM HE DOES HAVE A LICENSE FOR THERE.
5:32:45PM HE'S BEEN CITED FOR NOT PUTTING HIS LICENSE UP.
5:32:48PM HE'S HAD SEVERAL INSPECTIONS OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
5:32:51PM HE PASSED ALL OF THEM EXCEPT ONE.
5:32:54PM HE WAS CITED IN EVERY INSPECTION FOR VIOLATIONS, WHICH YOU
5:32:57PM CAN GO LOOK UP.
5:32:59PM I'M SURE HIS FOOD IS GOOD.
5:33:01PM I'M NOT EATING AT HIS PLACE.
5:33:03PM GO LOOK AT THAT.
5:33:05PM WE'VE GOT TO EITHER FIND THESE PEOPLE.
5:33:08PM I HATE FOR THEM TO LOSE THEIR LICENSE, BUT I KNOW HOW MUCH
5:33:13PM THESE LIQUOR LICENSES ARE WORTH.
5:33:15PM I KNOW HOW MUCH THE SOUTH HOWARD AVENUE PEOPLE ARE MAKING.
5:33:18PM DON'T FORGET, TWO OF THE OWNERS LIVE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
5:33:21PM I KNOW WHICH HOUSES BELONG TO THEM.
5:33:23PM THEY ARE MAKING A LOT OF MONEY HERE.
5:33:26PM AT THE VERY LEAST WE NEED TO HAVE FINES IN PLACE.
5:33:30PM CLOSE THEM DOWN FOR A WHILE.
5:33:31PM I DON'T KNOW.
5:33:32PM LET THEM BECOME A GOOD NEIGHBOR AGAIN.
5:33:37PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:33:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:33:39PM THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC COMMENT.
5:33:41PM WE GO TO REBUTTAL.
5:33:43PM OH, THE GENTLEMAN ONLINE.
5:33:44PM IS HIS MICROPHONE WORKING?
5:33:46PM OH, SHE IS.
5:33:49PM OKAY.
5:33:49PM TONYA NAVARRO ONLINE, TURN YOUR CAMERA ON, UNMUTE YOURSELF,
5:33:54PM AND WE WILL SWEAR YOU IN.
5:33:56PM YES, MA'AM.
5:34:03PM PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
5:34:06PM WE'LL SWEAR YOU IN.
5:34:08PM >> DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO
5:34:10PM GIVE IS THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
5:34:14PM >> I DO.
5:34:15PM >> THANK YOU.
5:34:18PM >> HELLO.
5:34:19PM MY NAME IS TONYA NAVARRO.
5:34:21PM I AM A PROFESSIONAL MUSICIAN OF ALMOST 20 YEARS NOW.
5:34:24PM I PERFORMED IN NOT ONLY PUBLIC VENUES BUT PRIVATE VENUES
5:34:28PM WHERE NOISE RESTRICTIONS ARE APPLICABLE AND VERY EXPERIENCED
5:34:31PM IN MEASURING DECIBEL LEVEL INCLUDING DBA AND DBC.
5:34:35PM ALSO BEEN PLAYING AT GRAND CATHEDRAL CIGARS.
5:34:39PM PLAYED AT SOHO REFERENCED BY THE FORMER SPEAKER AND THERE IS
5:34:41PM NO COMPARISON BETWEEN THE NOISE.
5:34:42PM I'VE BEEN A FIRSTHAND WITNESS TO TARGETED AGGRESSIVE
5:34:45PM EXCHANGES FROM ONE PARTICULAR NEIGHBOR TOWARD THE GRAND
5:34:49PM CATHEDRAL MANAGEMENT AND STAFF.
5:34:50PM ONE SUCH EXCHANGE DURING AN EMPLOYEE CHRISTMAS PARTY WHERE
5:34:54PM WE MONITORED THE DECIBELS WITHIN THE LAWFUL LIMITS AND SAID
5:34:57PM NEIGHBOR AND WIFE WHO SPOKE HERE TODAY WALKED OVER TO THE
5:34:59PM FENCE AND BEGAN SCREAMING AT EVERYONE WITH PROFANITY AND
5:35:03PM THREATS.
5:35:03PM IN FACT, I CANNOT THINK OF A SINGLE EVENT WE PLAYED AT THE
5:35:07PM VENUE WHERE THERE WAS NOT SOME TYPE OF NOISE COMPLAINT FROM
5:35:10PM THIS ONE NEIGHBOR CONSISTENTLY DESPITE ME GOING SO FAR AS
5:35:13PM WALKING THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE HOME TO CHECK THE
5:35:15PM DECIBEL LEVEL WELL WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA LAWFUL LIMITS.
5:35:19PM ANGELA THE OWNER HAS GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND TO MAKE SURE THAT
5:35:23PM ALL MUSICIANS ARE AWARE OF THE VOLUME, BUT IN THE RARE EVENT
5:35:27PM THAT WE ARE ON THE PATIO IN THE POSITION THAT IT IS NOT
5:35:30PM FACING THE HOME.
5:35:32PM I'VE DONE EVERYTHING TO APPEASE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S
5:35:35PM MET WITH NOTHING BUT AGGRESSION AND UGLINESS.
5:35:38PM IN MY OPINION, THIS NEIGHBOR WILL NOT BE SATISFIED UNLESS
5:35:40PM THE BUSINESS IS SHUT DOWN COMPLETELY.
5:35:42PM I LIKE THIS NEIGHBOR HAVE YOUNG CHILDREN, THREE UNDER THE
5:35:44PM AGE OF 8 TO BE EXACT.
5:35:46PM I ALSO HAVE A LIVE MUSIC VENUE RECENTLY BUILT BY MY HOME.
5:35:49PM WHILE THE VENUE IS INCONVENIENT FOR ME FOR A MULTITUDE OF
5:35:53PM REASONS IT DOES NOT GIVE ME THE RIGHT TO TAINT THEIR
5:35:57PM BUSINESS WITH BASELESS ACCUSATIONS ESPECIALLY WHEN I'M
5:36:00PM BENEFITING FROM THE INCREASED PROPERTY.
5:36:03PM THIS PARTICULAR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY VALUE INCREASED BY 40%
5:36:07PM SINCE GRAND CATHEDRAL OPENED THE DOORS.
5:36:09PM WHOLLY UNPLAUSIBLE THAT -- FIRSTLY, 99% OF THE MUSICIANS
5:36:16PM PERFORMING DON'T HAVE BASS AS A PART OF THEIR
5:36:18PM INSTRUMENTATION.
5:36:19PM EVEN IF THEY DID NOT A SINGLE ONE BRINGS A SUBWOOFER, THE
5:36:23PM PIECE OF EQUIPMENT USED TO MAKE THE BASS THUMP.
5:36:25PM I PERFORMED AT THE KENNEDY CENTER TO HUGE STAGES WITH LARGE
5:36:30PM SUBWOOFERS.
5:36:31PM YOU WOULD HAVE TO PUT THEM IN FRONT OF A HOME AND CRANK THEM
5:36:36PM UP FOR THEM TO THUMP INSIDE.
5:36:39PM ADDITIONALLY, THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT THE RESIDENTS CAN
5:36:42PM DO TO HELP MITIGATE ANY NOISE IN THEIR HOMES INCLUDING BUT
5:36:45PM NOT LIMITED TO HEAVY CURTAINS, AREA RUGS AND WHITE NOISE
5:36:48PM MACHINE.
5:36:49PM THESE ARE ALL REASONABLE ATTEMPTS.
5:36:51PM THE GOOD THIS BUSINESS DOES FOR THE WHOLE IS IMMEASURABLE.
5:36:55PM I'VE BEEN HIRED TO PERFORM FOR SEVERAL EVENTS INCLUDING
5:36:58PM METROPOLITAN MINISTRIES AND SEVERAL FOR THE POLICE
5:37:00PM DEPARTMENT TO NAME A FEW.
5:37:01PM THIS IS ABOUT A BUSINESS MUCH MORE THAN MAKING A PROFIT.
5:37:04PM THEY SEEK TO GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY THEY SERVE.
5:37:07PM BUSINESSES LIKE THAT ARE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND THESE
5:37:09PM DAYS.
5:37:10PM IT IS MY GENUINE BELIEF THAT IT WOULD HARM THE COMMUNITY AND
5:37:14PM LIMIT THEIR PHILANTHROPIC WORK TO SUSPEND THEIR LICENSE.
5:37:17PM I SEE NO REAL TO DO SO.
5:37:20PM IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT A VIDEO WAS SUBMITTED AS
5:37:22PM EVIDENCE.
5:37:23PM IN THAT VIDEO, I WAS THERE.
5:37:24PM THAT IS THE VIDEO WHERE THE NEIGHBOR CAME OVER TO VERBALLY
5:37:28PM ASSAULT THE ATTENDEES.
5:37:31PM THE MUSIC WAS MOVED INSIDE.
5:37:33PM IF THE CRICKETS NEARBY ARE LOUDER THAN THE MUSIC, THEN THE
5:37:36PM VIDEO MUST BE DISMISSED.
5:37:38PM IT'S LUDICROUS TO BELIEVE THAT MUSIC WOULD BE SO DISRUPTIVE
5:37:41PM TO THEIR LIFE BUT THE CRICKETS WHO ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LOUDER
5:37:44PM IN THE VIDEO ARE NOT.
5:37:46PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:37:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
5:37:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH, I'M GLAD SHE BROUGHT UP THE VIDEO
5:37:50PM BECAUSE I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR MS. POYNOR.
5:37:53PM YOU DIDN'T SAY IT AT THE TIME, BUT THE VIDEO YOU SHOWED HAD
5:38:02PM MUSIC IN THE EVENING, BUT WHEN YOU FIRST PUT THE VIDEO ON,
5:38:06PM THERE WAS A TIME THERE, WASN'T THERE?
5:38:08PM >> YES.
5:38:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS YOUR PHONE.
5:38:13PM >> THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MR. MIKULSKI SENT.
5:38:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THEY NEED TO PUT IT UP.
5:38:22PM IT WAS 11:38.
5:38:25PM >> P.M., OBVIOUSLY.
5:38:25PM ON DECEMBER THE 1st.
5:38:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:38:30PM IF I'M CORRECT, MR. COTTON, THEY HAVE TO STOP ALL MUSIC, ALL
5:38:40PM NOISE BY 10 P.M., IS THAT CORRECT?
5:38:43PM >>ERIC COTTON: THAT'S WHAT THE SITE PLAN --
5:38:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
5:38:46PM THANK YOU.
5:38:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:38:48PM ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
5:38:49PM IF NOT, WE'LL GO TO REBUTTAL.
5:38:52PM REBUTTAL LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES BECAUSE BOTH SIDES HAD LOTS
5:38:55PM AND LOTS OF TIME TO PRESENT.
5:38:56PM WHO WISHES TO BEGIN.
5:38:57PM MR. BENTLEY, GO AHEAD, AND THEN THE CITY WILL CLOSE IT OUT.
5:39:18PM >> COUNCIL, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.
5:39:21PM I WANT TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT.
5:39:23PM THE INITIAL FRICTION WAS MR. MIKULSKI WAS CHECKING INTO THE
5:39:30PM BUSINESS AND FINDING OUT WHETHER THEY WERE PERMITTED FOR
5:39:32PM CERTAIN ITEMS OR HAD CERTAIN PERMITS USING HIS CITY
5:39:37PM COMPUTER.
5:39:37PM SO THE STATEMENT HERE THAT HE NEVER USED CITY RESOURCES,
5:39:42PM THAT'S NOT TRUE.
5:39:43PM I'VE GOT A SERIES OF E-MAILS.
5:39:44PM I THINK THAT CAUSED THE INQUIRY WITH THE CITY.
5:39:52PM THEN THE NEIGHBORS DID REACH OUT -- EXCUSE ME, OUR CLIENT
5:39:59PM DID REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS AND I'VE GOT A TIMELINE HERE.
5:40:02PM WHAT HAPPENED IN EARLY DECEMBER OF 2022, BRIAN SEEL
5:40:07PM APPARENTLY APPROACHED OUR CLIENT AND SAID THAT THE CLIENT
5:40:15PM ATTEND A TAMPA HEIGHTS CIVIC ASSOCIATION MEETING.
5:40:19PM A COUPLE OF DAYS LATER YOU CAN SEE ON THE TIMELINE, MAYBE
5:40:23PM YOU CAN'T, ON THE LEFT SIDE, THE CLIENT AGREED TO THAT.
5:40:27PM AND THEN THEY CONFIRMED THE MEETING A FEW DAYS AFTER THAT.
5:40:32PM THEN OUR CLIENT CALLED TO CONFIRM THE MEETING AND ONE OF THE
5:40:36PM CLIENTS ACTUALLY FLEW IN FROM SAN DIEGO AND MR. SEEL CALLED
5:40:41PM OFF THE MEETING BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORS WOULDN'T CONFIRM
5:40:43PM ATTENDANCE.
5:40:44PM AND HE SAYS, ANGELA, WHO IS THE OWNER, MY APOLOGIES,
5:40:49PM ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
5:40:50PM HE SAID WE CAN PASS TONIGHT.
5:40:52PM AND AFTER THAT, THERE WERE NO FURTHER MEETINGS.
5:40:56PM I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SOUND MITIGATION.
5:40:59PM THE CLIENT SPENT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AND BOUGHT ACOUSTIC
5:41:02PM MITIGATION MATERIAL.
5:41:03PM YOU CAN SEE IT HERE.
5:41:04PM IT WAS REFERENCED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, AND
5:41:07PM MR. MIKULSKI AND HIS WIFE LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
5:41:12PM ONCE THE MATERIAL WENT UP, MS. McKINNAN CONTACTED HISTORIC
5:41:19PM PRESERVATION AND SAID SHE DIDN'T LIKE THE COLOR.
5:41:22PM SHE SAID IT'S HIDEOUS, PLEASE HELP.
5:41:25PM THEN THE CITY TURNS AROUND AND CONTACTS MY CLIENT AND SAID
5:41:33PM CAN YOU FLIP IT OVER, BUT YOU CAN'T, BECAUSE THAT MATERIAL
5:41:36PM IS ONE SIDE AND THE OTHER SIDE IT'S BLACK AND NOT THE SAME
5:41:40PM MATERIAL AND ALSO GOT LIKE A LOGO FROM THE MANUFACTURER.
5:41:44PM ANYWAY, THERE'S BEEN A GOOD-FAITH EFFORT ON OUR CLIENT'S
5:41:50PM PART TO REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND TRY TO WORK SOMETHING
5:41:53PM OUT AND MITIGATE SOME OF THE ISSUES.
5:41:56PM JUST IN CLOSING, UNDER YOUR CODE YOU'RE NOW REQUIRED TO
5:41:59PM CONSIDER THE THREE THINGS.
5:42:01PM THE GRAVITY OF THE VIOLATION WHICH IS SET FORTH IN THE
5:42:05PM NOTICE OF INTENT.
5:42:06PM THOSE FOUR OR FIVE DRINKS WE'RE DEALING WITH ON THE
5:42:10PM ALLEGEDLY OUTSIDE PATIO THAT WASN'T WET ZONED.
5:42:13PM SO WE'RE DEALING WITH THE GRAVITY.
5:42:15PM ANY ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE VIOLATOR TO CORRECT THE VIOLATION.
5:42:19PM LIKE I TOLD YOU EARLY ON, ONCE WE GOT THE NOTICE OF INTENT,
5:42:22PM I THINK IT WAS WITHIN TWO OR THREE DAYS THAT THEY STOPPED
5:42:25PM USING THE PATIO.
5:42:26PM ANY PREVIOUS VIOLATIONS, THERE AREN'T ANY.
5:42:32PM I THINK IF WE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THE REQUIRED NOTICE UNDER
5:42:35PM SUBSECTION D, THERE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A NOTICE OF INTENT.
5:42:39PM SO THE GRAVITY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOUR DRINKS UNDER
5:42:43PM QUESTIONABLE CIRCUMSTANCES STAGED BY A PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR.
5:42:48PM ACTIONS TAKEN STOPPED USING THE PATIO AND THEN NO PRIOR
5:42:53PM VIOLATIONS.
5:42:53PM THERE ARE THREE -- ANYHOW, THERE WERE THREE OTHER CASES I
5:43:10PM WOULD REFERENCE.
5:43:11PM CLUB PRANA MULTIPLE NOTICES OF INTENT TO SUSPEND AND THEY
5:43:15PM GOT SEVEN DAYS.
5:43:17PM THE STORE I KEEP REFERENCING, THEY GOT 30 DAYS AND THEY HAD
5:43:21PM MULTIPLE NOTICE OF INTENT.
5:43:23PM SO I THINK IN THIS SITUATION, GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES AND
5:43:27PM THAT WE DIDN'T REALLY GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME TO THE
5:43:30PM TABLE WITH THE CITY, THE FIRST STOP WAS NOTICE OF INTENT AND
5:43:34PM GO TO A HEARING.
5:43:35PM IN THIS SITUATION -- HERE THEY ARE.
5:43:39PM SO CLUB PRANA AND RITZ YBOR.
5:43:42PM I REPRESENT THE CAPITANO FAMILY IN THE RITZ YBOR CASE.
5:43:45PM WE GOT THE NOTICE OF INTENT -- EXCUSE ME, THE NOTICE PRIOR
5:43:49PM TO NOTICE OF INTENT, WE APPROACHED THE CITY AND WORKED
5:43:52PM THINGS OUT WITH THE CITY AND THEY CANCELED THE HEARING.
5:43:55PM THAT'S WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED HERE.
5:43:57PM SO WE BELIEVE BASED ON THE FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES THAT
5:44:01PM COUNCIL SHOULD PROVIDE A FORMAL WARNING TO OUR CLIENT,
5:44:04PM ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE FACTS AND THE CLIENT WASN'T
5:44:07PM PROVIDED THE REQUIRED NOTICE.
5:44:10PM THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.
5:44:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
5:44:14PM THIS WILL CLOSE OUT THE HEARING.
5:44:17PM JOHNSON VELEZ.
5:44:18PM YOUR WORKS, THANK YOU.
5:44:19PM YES, MA'AM.
5:44:28PM GO AHEAD.
5:44:31PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON VELEZ WITH THE LEGAL
5:44:34PM DEPARTMENT.
5:44:35PM I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS.
5:44:40PM WE HEARD A LOT OF TESTIMONY FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT NOISE AND
5:44:46PM A LOT OF STATEMENTS MADE ABOUT NOISE AND MITIGATING NOISE.
5:44:49PM THIS IS NOT ABOUT NOISE EXCEPT TO THE EXTENT THAT THE
5:44:53PM TESTIMONY THAT YOU HEARD ABOUT NOISE FROM THE NEIGHBORS WHO
5:44:57PM SPOKE ABOUT HOW IT NEGATIVELY AFFECTED THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE
5:45:01PM IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
5:45:02PM AND THAT GOES TO ITEM NUMBER D IN THE 27-318-C-1-D.
5:45:12PM AGAIN, THAT REQUIRES A SHOWING OF OPERATION OF THE
5:45:15PM ESTABLISHMENT IN A MANNER THAT REPEATEDLY OR ON AN ONGOING
5:45:19PM BASIS HAS NEGATIVE SECONDARY EFFECTS ON SURROUNDING
5:45:22PM PROPERTY.
5:45:23PM NOW, YOU HAVE HEARD BOTH MY STATEMENTS ABOUT THIS.
5:45:25PM YOU'VE HEARD MR. BENTLEY'S.
5:45:28PM I THINK THE LANGUAGE SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.
5:45:30PM IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT THERE BE A VIOLATION OF CITY OR
5:45:33PM STATE LAW.
5:45:35PM NEGATIVE SECONDARY EFFECTS CAN OCCUR.
5:45:37PM I THINK YOU'VE HEARD TESTIMONY FROM THE NEIGHBORS,
5:45:40PM MS. McKINNAN, MR. PETERIKA, MR. SCHULLER AND MR. SEEL
5:45:50PM ABOUT ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
5:45:53PM I BELIEVE THE CITY HAS ESTABLISHED A BASIS FOR SUSPENSION
5:45:59PM BASED ON THAT GROUND.
5:46:02PM I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT THE NOTICE OF INTENT DOESN'T MENTION
5:46:08PM ANY VIOLATION OF THE NOISE ORDINANCE, NOT BASED ON NOISE.
5:46:11PM IT'S BASED ON VIOLATING A LIMITATION OR CONDITION OR
5:46:16PM RESTRICTION THAT CITY COUNCIL PLACED ON THIS ALCOHOLIC
5:46:19PM BEVERAGE PERMIT AT THE TIME OF ITS APPROVAL IN FEBRUARY OF
5:46:23PM 2022.
5:46:24PM YOU HAD TESTIMONY FROM MR. COTTON IN THAT REGARD.
5:46:30PM YOU HAD TESTIMONY FROM THE PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR IN THAT
5:46:33PM REGARD AND YOU HAD TESTIMONY, IN FACT, FROM SOME OF THE
5:46:36PM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
5:46:37PM MR. SEEL TESTIFIED THAT HE HAS SEEN ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION ON
5:46:43PM THE PATIO.
5:46:44PM MR. PETERIKA SAID HE PERSONALLY HAS CONSUMED ALCOHOL ON THE
5:46:49PM PARTY.
5:46:50PM IT'S NOT ISOLATED INCIDENTS.
5:46:51PM THE INVESTIGATOR SAID IN HIS EXPERIENCE THAT'S WHAT THAT
5:46:54PM INDICATES, THE WAY IN WHICH HE WAS SERVED AND THE MANNER IN
5:46:58PM WHICH HE WAS SERVED INDICATE IT WAS NOT AN ISOLATED
5:47:01PM INCIDENT.
5:47:02PM YOU HAVE TESTIMONY FROM AGAIN MR. PETERIKA AND MR. SEEL.
5:47:05PM ALSO TESTIMONY FROM MR. BRENDAN McLAUGHLIN WHO SAID HE'S
5:47:09PM ENJOYED ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ON THE PATIO.
5:47:12PM MR. MATT ACAI WHO SAID HE HAD DRINKS ON THE PATIO.
5:47:19PM ASSUMING YOU BELIEVE ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE, INCLUDING THE
5:47:24PM PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR, THAT CERTAINLY SUPPORTS THAT ALCOHOLIC
5:47:28PM BEVERAGES WERE BEING SERVED ON THE PATIO, WHICH MR. COTTON
5:47:31PM CONFIRMED TO YOU IS NOT AN AREA ALLOWED FOR CONSUMPTION OF
5:47:35PM ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
5:47:37PM THE CITY HAS PROVEN ITS CASE IN THOSE REGARDS.
5:47:43PM WE'VE ESTABLISHED THROUGH SWORN TESTIMONY FROM BOTH THE
5:47:49PM PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR, MR. COTTON, MS. McKINNAN, MR.
5:47:53PM PETERIKA, MR. SEEL, AND MR. SCHULLER AS WELL AS SOME OF THE
5:47:57PM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO SPOKE WHOSE NAMES I'VE JUST
5:47:59PM MENTIONED.
5:48:00PM THERE'S BEEN NO TESTIMONY TO ESTABLISH FACTS OR TO COUNTER
5:48:06PM THE TESTIMONY OF ANYONE WHO TESTIFIED REGARDING EITHER
5:48:10PM HAVING CONSUMED OR HAVING SEEN ALCOHOL CONSUMED.
5:48:13PM YOU HAD MR. BENTLEY WHO MADE STATEMENTS ON BEHALF OF HIS
5:48:16PM CLIENT, BUT NOBODY ASSOCIATED WITH GRAND CATHEDRAL, EITHER
5:48:21PM THE OWNER OR ANYBODY WHO WORKS THERE, YOU HAD MR. BAEZ WHO
5:48:26PM SPOKE ABOUT HOW HE WORKS THERE.
5:48:28PM YOU HAD MR. DOMINIC WHOSE LAST NAME I DIDN'T GET DOWN, BUT
5:48:33PM HE SAID HE WAS THE FIRST EMPLOYEE OF GRAND CATHEDRAL.
5:48:35PM NEITHER OF THOSE GENTLEMEN SAID WE DON'T SERVE ON THE PATIO,
5:48:41PM WE'VE NOT SERVED ON THE PATIO.
5:48:43PM YOU DON'T HAVE ANY SWORN TESTIMONY, LAWYERS CAN'T PROVIDE
5:48:46PM FACTUAL TESTIMONY OR EVIDENCE.
5:48:48PM PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND.
5:48:49PM YOU'VE HAD STATEMENTS FROM MR. BENTLEY.
5:48:52PM IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK AT HIS LETTER FROM JANUARY 12, WHICH
5:48:56PM INCLUDED THE LAST HALF OF THE PACKET AND I THINK HE REPEATED
5:48:59PM IT MULTIPLE TIMES SINCE DECEMBER 10.
5:49:02PM THEY HAVE BEEN OPEN SINCE 2021.
5:49:04PM WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING THE LAST THREE YEARS?
5:49:07PM YOU'VE HAD TESTIMONY ABOUT ALCOHOL BEING CONSUMED ON THE
5:49:11PM PATIO WHERE IT CLEARLY STATES ON THE SITE PLAN, YOU SAW IT
5:49:15PM HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW.
5:49:16PM NO AB SALES OR CONSUMPTION IN THIS AREA.
5:49:21PM NOW, COUNCIL, EVERY FOURTH THURSDAY OF THE MONTH IN THE
5:49:26PM EVENING I STAND HERE WITH YOU EVERY FOURTH THURSDAY, YOU ALL
5:49:30PM APPROVE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SPECIAL USE PERMITS BY ORDINANCE.
5:49:35PM AND EVERY ORDINANCE CONTAINS LANGUAGE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE
5:49:40PM SHOWED YOU THIS AFTERNOON, IT LIMITS IT BY THE LEGAL
5:49:42PM DESCRIPTION ATTACHED AS EXHIBIT A.
5:49:44PM IT LIMITS IT BY THE SITE PLAN THAT'S ATTACHED AS EXHIBIT B.
5:49:48PM THOSE CONDITIONS MEAN SOMETHING AND THEY HAVE TO MEAN
5:49:54PM SOMETHING BECAUSE YOU ALL PLACE THOSE ON THERE TO PROTECT
5:49:57PM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO ENSURE THAT CITY REGULATIONS ARE
5:50:00PM FOLLOWED.
5:50:01PM AND YOU TAKE IT ON FAITH AND YOU TRUST THAT ANYBODY WHO'S
5:50:06PM GOING TO OPERATE AN ESTABLISHMENT UNDER THOSE APPROVALS
5:50:09PM MAKES IT THEIR BUSINESS TO KNOW WHAT THOSE APPROVALS PROVIDE
5:50:12PM AND ANY LIMITATIONS OR RESTRICTIONS ON THOSE APPROVALS.
5:50:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:50:17PM YES, SIR.
5:50:18PM MR. SHELBY.
5:50:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
5:50:23PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I'M SORRY.
5:50:24PM I WAS GOING TO ASK WHAT THE CITY IS SEEKING IN THIS CASE.
5:50:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WAS SUGGESTING MS. JOHNSON VELEZ, UNLESS
5:50:31PM THERE'S AN OBJECTION, THAT THEY BIFURCATE THE DECISION, THAT
5:50:35PM THEY MAKE A DETERMINATION, MAKE FINDINGS OF FACT, AND THEN
5:50:39PM HAVE A DISCUSSION AS TO WHAT THE PENALTY WOULD BE IF IT GETS
5:50:42PM THAT FAR, UNLESS YOU WANT TO HAVE IT SINGLY DONE.
5:50:46PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I WAS GOING TO ASK, AGAIN, WE BELIEVE
5:50:49PM WE HAVE SHOWN THROUGH EVIDENCE, FACT-BASED EVIDENCE, SWORN
5:50:54PM TESTIMONY THAT THIS ESTABLISHMENT HAS VIOLATED THEIR
5:51:00PM ALCOHOLIC -- OR BOTH D AND N OF 27-318-C-1 AND COUNCIL CAN
5:51:07PM TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, I BELIEVE MR. BENTLEY DIRECTLY CITED THAT
5:51:11PM TO YOU UNDER 27-318, THE GRAVITY OF THE VIOLATION, ANY
5:51:16PM ACTIONS BY THE VIOLATOR TO CORRECT THE VIOLATION AND ANY
5:51:19PM PREVIOUS VIOLATIONS COMMITTED BY THE VIOLATOR.
5:51:22PM BASED ON ALL THE CONSIDERATIONS AND ALL THE EVIDENCE AND
5:51:25PM TESTIMONY THAT YOU HAVE HEARD THIS AFTERNOON, THE CITY WOULD
5:51:27PM BE REQUESTING A 30 DAY SUSPENSION, A FINDING OF VIOLATION OF
5:51:36PM THEIR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE PERMIT, FIRST VIOLATION AND THE
5:51:39PM CODE LIMITS BECAUSE IT IS A FIRST VIOLATION TO A 30 DAY
5:51:42PM SUSPENSION.
5:51:43PM SO IT'S NOT, AGAIN, LET ME CLARIFY, IT'S NOT REVOKING THEIR
5:51:47PM PERMIT.
5:51:47PM YOU DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT UNDER THE CODE FOR A
5:51:50PM FIRST VIOLATION, BUT WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU FIND A FIRST
5:51:52PM VIOLATION AND YOU IMPOSE A 30 DAY PENALTY IN CONSIDERATION
5:51:55PM OF ALL THE FACTORS THAT YOU MAY CONSIDER.
5:51:57PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:51:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:51:59PM MR. SHELBY AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
5:52:04PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, WHEN YOU DELIBERATE THIS OR
5:52:08PM ULTIMATELY WHEN A MOTION IS MADE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, I'M
5:52:11PM GOING TO SUGGEST TO COUNCIL THAT AS PART OF THE RECORD YOU
5:52:14PM MAKE SPECIFIC FINDINGS OF FACT IN THIS CASE.
5:52:18PM SO IN OTHER WORDS DETERMINATIONS.
5:52:20PM AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS ARGUED REGARDING THE
5:52:24PM CATERER'S LICENSE, IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT YOUR SITE PLAN SAYS,
5:52:32PM THAT THERE IS A PREEMPTION.
5:52:35PM WHATEVER COUNCIL FINDS TO MAKE A SPECIFIC FINDING OF FACT
5:52:39PM RELATIVE TO WHETHER THOSE CONDITIONS ARE ON THE SITE PLAN
5:52:42PM AND WHETHER THEY ARE ENFORCEABLE AS A FINDING OF FACT.
5:52:46PM IF THAT'S YOUR VERSION OR MR. BENTLEY'S ARGUMENT BECAUSE,
5:52:52PM FRANKLY, IF HE SAYS THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT, THEN IT
5:52:56PM RAISES THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THERE IS A VIOLATION TO BEGIN
5:52:58PM WITH.
5:52:59PM I THINK THAT IS THE ARGUMENT HE MADE.
5:53:00PM THAT'S NOT FOR ME TO DISCUSS OR SAY.
5:53:02PM I'M JUST ASKING YOU TO BE SPECIFIC AND RELATE TO FINDINGS OF
5:53:07PM FACT BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU HEARD AS YOU FIND IT TO
5:53:10PM BE.
5:53:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
5:53:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: DO WE HAVE TO CLOSE?
5:53:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
5:53:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
5:53:19PM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
5:53:20PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
5:53:22PM ALL IN FAVOR?
5:53:23PM THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
5:53:25PM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, YOU WERE FIRST.
5:53:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
5:53:27PM THIS WAS EXHAUSTIVE, AND THE THINGS I WANTED TO SAY ARE A
5:53:38PM LOT OF THE THINGS MS. JOHNSON VELEZ SAID.
5:53:42PM THE ISSUE IS ALCOHOL BEING SOLD IN AN UNLICENSED AREA.
5:53:45PM THAT'S THE ISSUE HERE.
5:53:46PM WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE PUBLIC COMMENTS, NOT JUST THE PEOPLE THAT
5:53:50PM TESTIFIED, BUT MULTIPLE PUBLIC COMMENTS SAYING, ADMITTING
5:53:53PM THAT ALCOHOL WAS SOLD AND CONSUMED ON THE PATIO AT ALL
5:53:57PM DIFFERENT TIMES.
5:53:58PM THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS.
5:54:00PM I UNDERSTAND THE CLIENT CREATED THEIR OWN SITE PLAN AND KNEW
5:54:06PM THEY COULDN'T SERVE ON THE PATIO AND CHOSE TO DO IT ANYWAY.
5:54:09PM THERE WAS NO COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AGAINST
5:54:13PM THAT.
5:54:13PM THE ONLY THING WAS THAT THEY ARE GOOD COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
5:54:17PM AND THAT'S GREAT.
5:54:18PM IT'S WONDERFUL THAT THEY ARE GOOD COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
5:54:22PM AND THE NEIGHBORS HAVE CLEARLY SAID THEY WANT TO WORK WITH
5:54:24PM THEM.
5:54:25PM BUT THEY ARE NOT BEING GOOD COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN FLAUNTING
5:54:30PM THE ALCOHOL RULES.
5:54:32PM I'M HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION.
5:54:35PM THOSE ARE THE THINGS I WANT TO SAY.
5:54:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
5:54:39PM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
5:54:40PM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
5:54:42PM MIRANDA, CLENDENIN.
5:54:43PM YES, MA'AM.
5:54:46PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, CHAIR.
5:54:48PM FIRST OF ALL, LET ME JUST SAY, I COMMEND EVERYONE FOR COMING
5:54:52PM BEFORE US TODAY FOR OR AGAINST.
5:54:55PM AS A TAMPA HEIGHTS RESIDENT THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY WEIGHING
5:54:59PM ON ME, I AM AN EDUCATOR.
5:55:00PM I LOVE RULES.
5:55:01PM I LOVE FOLLOWING THE RULES.
5:55:02PM I WENT TO ISS FOR BEING TARDY EVEN THOUGH I WAS THE
5:55:06PM PRESIDENT OF SEVERAL CLUBS AND, YOU KNOW, DID EVERYTHING
5:55:10PM RIGHT AND I WAS THE GOOD KID, BUT I WAS TARDY AND HAD TO GO
5:55:13PM TO ISS BECAUSE THAT WAS THE RULES.
5:55:15PM THIS REALLY FALLS INTO THAT SAME CATEGORY FOR ME.
5:55:18PM THERE IS SO MUCH SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT THERE WAS
5:55:20PM DRINKING ON THE PATIO AND THAT'S JUST THE BOTTOM LINE.
5:55:23PM FROM NEIGHBORS, I KNOW THE ATTORNEY CANNOT ADMIT THAT, BUT
5:55:26PM SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE COME BEFORE US AND ADMITTED THAT, EVEN
5:55:30PM THOUGH GRAND CATHEDRAL ARE GOOD PUBLIC SERVANTS.
5:55:33PM BUT I WANT TO SAY THIS.
5:55:34PM TAMPA HEIGHTS WAS THRIVING BEFORE GRAND CENTRAL OPENED.
5:55:38PM [ APPLAUSE ]
5:55:38PM DON'T CLAP.
5:55:40PM DON'T CLAP.
5:55:41PM IT'S OKAY.
5:55:41PM WE KNOW THAT AS RESIDENTS.
5:55:45PM YOU ARE A GOOD ADDITION TO OUR COMMUNITY.
5:55:48PM I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE.
5:55:49PM I'M GOING TO HAVE TO COME TO CHECK IT OUT SINCE PEOPLE ARE
5:55:53PM SAYING THINGS ABOUT IT, BUT THAT IS NOT THE POINT.
5:55:56PM YES, YOU CAN BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND STILL DO BAD THINGS AND
5:55:59PM SERVING THE ALCOHOL IN THE AREA WHERE ALCOHOL WAS NOT
5:56:04PM ALLOWED TO BE SERVED IS VERY EVIDENT.
5:56:09PM THE OTHER THING ABOUT IT IS, ESPECIALLY IN TODAY'S SOCIETY,
5:56:12PM THERE IS A THING ABOUT RULES AND FAIRNESS AND PRIVILEGE.
5:56:17PM AND YOU DON'T GET THE RIGHT TO HAVE PRIVILEGE AND USE THAT
5:56:21PM AS A REASON FOR NOT BEING SANCTIONED FOR THE VIOLATIONS.
5:56:31PM I KNOW COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WANTS TO MAKE THE MOTION.
5:56:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, YOU CAN.
5:56:38PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: AND THERE MAY BE OTHER THINGS TO SAY
5:56:42PM BEFOREHAND, BUT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY HERE BECAUSE IT'S
5:56:48PM JUST WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED BY OUR STAFF IS 30 DAYS, THAT
5:56:52PM DOESN'T MEAN THAT GRAND CATHEDRAL, THAT IS THE NUMBER ONE
5:56:57PM CIGAR, YOU KNOW, DESTINATION IN THE UNITED STATES IS GOING
5:57:00PM TO FAIL.
5:57:02PM IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO IMPROVE AND GET IT RIGHT AND
5:57:06PM BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.
5:57:07PM I ACTUALLY REALLY DO BELIEVE IN MY HEART THAT YOU HAVE THE
5:57:12PM CAPABILITY OF DOING THAT.
5:57:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WANT TO MAKE THIS POINT CLEAR.
5:57:21PM AT THIS POINT IN TIME, COUNCIL, ULTIMATELY I DON'T WANT YOUR
5:57:26PM OPINIONS AND YOUR DISCUSSIONS OF POLICY TO CLOUD THE RECORD.
5:57:29PM WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR ULTIMATELY IS A DECISION AND A DECISION
5:57:34PM BASED ON COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
5:57:37PM WHAT I WOULD LIKE ULTIMATELY WHEN THE MOTION DOES COME IS
5:57:40PM I'D LIKE YOU, AS JOE FRIDAY WOULD SAY, JUST THE FACTS.
5:57:46PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I CAN MOVE THE MOTION THEN AND THEN HAVE
5:57:49PM THE DISCUSSION.
5:57:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS WHEN YOU GET
5:57:52PM INTO DISCUSSIONS OF POLICY OR THINGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE
5:57:55PM SCOPE OF WHAT YOUR DECISION IS, IT MIGHT AFFECT THE RECORD
5:57:59PM IN WAYS NOT HELPFUL TO ACTUALLY COMING TO A DECISION THAT
5:58:03PM WOULD BE UPHELD IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT IT IS.
5:58:06PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: LET ME MAKE THE MOTION THEN.
5:58:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT.
5:58:09PM I WANT TO HEAR FROM OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS.
5:58:12PM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, MIRANDA, CARLSON, CLENDENIN.
5:58:19PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHAIR.
5:58:20PM FOR ME, IT IS A MATTER OF YOU EITHER DID IT OR YOU DIDN'T.
5:58:24PM AND THERE IS AN OLD SAYING WHICH IS YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR
5:58:27PM OPINIONS AND NOT YOUR OWN FACTS.
5:58:29PM THERE SEEM TO BE FACTS IN THIS CASE THAT ARE NOT REALLY IN
5:58:32PM DISPUTE.
5:58:34PM THE BURDEN OBVIOUSLY ON THIS ISSUE THAT MR. BENTLEY CARRIES
5:58:38PM FOR HIS CLIENT IS VERY GREAT.
5:58:40PM OF COURSE, AS ALWAYS, HE'S DONE A FANTASTIC JOB.
5:58:43PM BUT AGAIN, TO ME, THIS IS A MATTER OF STRICT LIABILITY.
5:58:47PM YOU EITHER DID IT OR DIDN'T.
5:58:51PM PLENTY OF EVIDENCE THAT I THINK IS RELIABLE THAT WE CAN RELY
5:58:54PM UPON THAT IS SUBSTANTIVE AND ROBUST SHOWING THIS HAPPENED
5:58:57PM AND THERE'S BEEN NO EVIDENCE PUT FORTH SHOWING TO THE
5:59:00PM CONTRARY.
5:59:01PM NO EVIDENCE HAS BEEN PUT FORTH BECAUSE IT WOULD APPEAR NO
5:59:04PM EVIDENCE CAN BE PUT FORTH ON THIS ONE ISSUE.
5:59:06PM SO WHEN IT COMES TO OPENING UP THE DOOR TO SHOW THAT A
5:59:09PM VIOLATION HAS HAPPENED, I THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO SAY THAT.
5:59:14PM NOW, ON THE PENALTY OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT FROM
5:59:18PM CITY COUNCIL, THAT IS A WHOLE SEPARATE ISSUE, BUT FINDING
5:59:22PM THAT A VIOLATION HAS OCCURRED AND THEN GIVING SOME SORT OF A
5:59:25PM PENALTY OR WHATEVER TERM IS PROPER FOR IT, I THINK THAT
5:59:30PM ISSUE IS NOT REALLY IN DISPUTE.
5:59:32PM AGAIN, YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR OWN OPINIONS AND NOT YOUR
5:59:35PM OWN FACTS.
5:59:36PM HERE THERE IS PLENTY OF EVIDENCE SHOWING THAT A VIOLATION
5:59:38PM HAS OCCURRED.
5:59:39PM NO EVIDENCE SHOWN TO THE CONTRARY BECAUSE IT WOULD APPEAR
5:59:42PM THAT NO EVIDENCE CAN BE SHOWN TO THE CONTRARY FROM WHAT I
5:59:44PM HAVE SEEN.
5:59:45PM THANK YOU.
5:59:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, CARLSON.
5:59:48PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ABOUT 30 SPEAKERS AND 7 OR 8 ONLINE, AND
5:59:52PM MOST WERE VERY CORDIAL TOWARD THE OPERATION OF THE
5:59:56PM CATHEDRAL.
5:59:58PM LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA JUST ALLUDED TO, THERE IS IT
6:00:03PM EITHER HAPPENED OR DIDN'T HAPPEN.
6:00:05PM ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
6:00:07PM HOWEVER, THAT BEING SAID, I SAW THE THREE ITEMS THAT THE
6:00:09PM ATTORNEY FOR THE CATHEDRAL PUT UP AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY
6:00:14PM IN YEARS OF PUBLIC SERVICE I'VE SEEN IRREVOCABLE LICENSE FOR
6:00:18PM SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
6:00:19PM I THINK THREE LISTED THERE.
6:00:21PM MAYBE THIS IS THE FOURTH.
6:00:22PM I'M NOT SURE.
6:00:23PM BUT THE FIRST ONE THAT CAUGHT MY EYE WAS NUMBER ONE.
6:00:27PM THE OTHER ONE CAME BACK NOT ONCE BUT TWICE I BELIEVE.
6:00:31PM AND CAME BACK FOR SELLING DRUGS INSIDE THE PLACE BUT
6:00:36PM ALLOWING DRUGS TO BE SOLD OUTSIDE THE PLACE AND MORE LIKELY
6:00:40PM PARTICIPATING IN THE DRUG SALE BECAUSE THEY HAD TO KNOW IT.
6:00:44PM THEY HAD TO KNOW THAT WAS HAPPENING.
6:00:46PM AND GUNS INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE OPERATION.
6:00:54PM AND WE HAD ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF POLICE UNDERCOVER DO THAT WORK
6:00:58PM FOR A LONG TIME.
6:00:59PM I'M NOT COMPARING THAT TO THIS.
6:01:01PM THESE ARE FACTS STANDING ON THEIR OWN.
6:01:04PM I'M LOOKING AT THAT ONE, THEY'VE GOT 30 DAYS FOR HAVING
6:01:09PM COCAINE AND OTHER DRUGS IN AND OUT, DRUGS IN AND OUT, GUNS
6:01:13PM IN AND OUT, AND THE WHOLE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM WHICH COULD HAVE
6:01:19PM BURNED THAT BUILDING AND ALL THE REST OF THE BUILDINGS,
6:01:24PM SHODDY, DONE IN-HOUSE WITHOUT PERMITS, IF I REMEMBER, ALONG
6:01:27PM WITH OTHER AREAS DONE WITHOUT PERMITS.
6:01:29PM THAT ONE GOT 30.
6:01:31PM I'M LOOKING AT MYSELF SAYING WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THIS ONE?
6:01:35PM DID IT VIOLATE THE LAW?
6:01:38PM YES.
6:01:39PM DO I COMPARE IT WITH WHAT?
6:01:42PM I CAN'T COMPARE IT WITH NUMBER ONE.
6:01:45PM DO I COMPARE IT WITH NUMBER TWO?
6:01:47PM NUMBER THREE?
6:01:48PM I THINK EACH ONE STANDS ON THEIR OWN TO THE LEVEL OF WHAT
6:01:53PM YOU'VE DONE NOT ONLY IN VIOLATION OF THE LAW, BUT THE HEALTH
6:01:58PM AND WELFARE OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT YOU'RE CATERING TO.
6:02:01PM AND THAT'S DIFFERENTIATION.
6:02:06PM I DON'T MIND HAVING A NUMBER, BUT I WILL NOT SUPPORT 30.
6:02:10PM I WILL SUPPORT SOMETHING IN THE RANGE OF LESS THAN 30.
6:02:16PM I'M NOT SAYING THAT I'M FOR WHAT HAPPENED.
6:02:19PM I THINK THAT THE ORGANIZATION PROVED ITSELF TO BE
6:02:22PM OUTSTANDING INDIVIDUAL OWNERSHIP, PROPRIETORSHIP, PEOPLE
6:02:28PM THAT CARE FOR OTHER PEOPLE.
6:02:30PM IT'S NOT ABOUT MONEY IN LIFE.
6:02:32PM IT'S ABOUT WHAT YOU DO FOR PEOPLE AND CERTAINLY YOU HAVE
6:02:34PM DONE THAT FOR HUMAN, DIFFERENT SOCIETY TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE.
6:02:37PM THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE NOT RELATED TO THE FACTS.
6:02:42PM CERTAIN OF THE OTHERS, THEY DO ANYTHING BUT TRY TO KILL
6:02:44PM PEOPLE.
6:02:45PM YOU DON'T SAVE ANYBODY WITH A GUN WHEN YOU SHOOT.
6:02:48PM YOU DON'T SAVE ANYBODY WHEN YOU GIVE COCAINE OR SELL
6:02:52PM COCAINE, DRUGS OR ANY KIND ELSE.
6:02:54PM ANYTHING YOU WANTED, THEY HAD IT.
6:02:57PM THAT'S THE SOCIETY WE LIVE IN TODAY.
6:03:03PM WE'RE ALL LOOKING FOR STRAWS.
6:03:06PM LOOKING TO LIVE A NICE LIFE, HAPPIER LIFE AND I AGREE WITH
6:03:09PM ALL THAT.
6:03:10PM BUT THERE COMES A TIME WHEN YOU HAVE TO REALIZE WHAT THE
6:03:13PM FACTS REALLY ARE.
6:03:16PM DO I COMPARE TO NUMBER ONE, NUMBER TWO, NUMBER THREE.
6:03:19PM THIS IS NUMBER FOUR THAT I KNOW OF.
6:03:21PM MAYBE IT'S MORE BUT I'M ONLY ACKNOWLEDGEABLE OF FOUR OR
6:03:26PM FIVE.
6:03:27PM HERE'S WHERE I'M AT.
6:03:28PM I KNOW THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
6:03:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOT YET.
6:03:31PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WELL, THERE WILL BE FROM WHAT I SEE.
6:03:33PM I THINK IT'S GOT TO GO ALONG WITH A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME
6:03:39PM OF THAT ALONG WITH THE TIME OF GIVING THEM TO BRING
6:03:43PM EVERYTHING UP TO CODE WITH MAYBE ANOTHER THING WE OUGHT TO
6:03:47PM DO IS YOU LEARN SOMETHING EVERY DAY WHEN YOU SIT HERE AND
6:03:53PM LISTEN.
6:03:53PM WE HAVEN'T TALKED AT ALL, BUT WE'RE LISTENING.
6:03:56PM MAYBE WE OUGHT TO FIND OUT WHEN WE SEND ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS
6:04:00PM TO SEE IF SOMETHING IS NOT ZONED TO PUT A SIGN IN THERE, NO
6:04:04PM ALCOHOL ALLOWED IN THE BUILDING.
6:04:05PM WE HAD ONE WITH YOLIE CAPIN, HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN FIT INTO A
6:04:11PM BUILDING AND IT HAD TO BE POSTED IN THE FRONT OF THE
6:04:14PM BUILDING.
6:04:14PM WHEN YOU WALKED IN YOU SAW IT.
6:04:17PM I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE HAVE IT HERE.
6:04:19PM MAYBE WE DON'T.
6:04:20PM EVERY BUILDING HAS A CERTAIN QUOTA OF HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN GO
6:04:23PM IN.
6:04:24PM THAT'S NOT TO KEEP THEM OUT.
6:04:26PM YOU WANT SAFETY SO IF YOU HAVE TO GET OUT YOU CAN GET OUT.
6:04:29PM AND THESE ARE THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT.
6:04:31PM IS GOVERNMENT ALWAYS RIGHT?
6:04:32PM NO.
6:04:33PM BUT GOVERNMENT CAN MAKE CHANGES TO GET BETTER.
6:04:37PM THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I'M LOOKING AT JUST ONE INDIVIDUAL
6:04:41PM HERE AND I WANT TO SATISFY EVERYONE.
6:04:43PM MAYBE WHAT WE OUGHT TO DO IS ALSO PASS SOMETHING ELSE THAT
6:04:46PM YOU HAVE TO PUT TREES AROUND IT.
6:04:49PM WE GIVE YOU THE TREES.
6:04:51PM WE CAN PLANT THEM FOR YOU.
6:04:53PM WE'RE LOOKING PLANT TREES EVERYWHERE SO THE NATURE PRESERVE,
6:04:59PM NOT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO VIOLATE THE SOUND AGAIN.
6:05:01PM NOT SAYING YOU ARE.
6:05:04PM JUST AN ENHANCEMENT TO PUT NOT ONLY WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE
6:05:07PM OUTSIDE -- TWICE, THREE TIMES BEFORE IT GETS SOMEWHERE ELSE.
6:05:15PM NOT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO VIOLATE THE LAW.
6:05:16PM BUT SAY I'LL MAKE SURE THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
6:05:19PM THESE ARE THE THINGS I'M LOOKING AT.
6:05:21PM THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
6:05:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
6:05:23PM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND THEN CLENDENIN.
6:05:25PM IF WE COULD SET A FIVE-MINUTE TIMER.
6:05:28PM THANK YOU.
6:05:33PM >>BILL CARLSON: I'M THE ONE THAT GETS THE FIVE MINUTES.
6:05:35PM MOST OF THE TESTIMONY FROM THE PUBLIC WAS ABOUT HOW GREAT
6:05:39PM THE PLACE IS AND HOW THE FOLKS ARE GREAT IN THE COMMUNITY
6:05:46PM AND NONE OF THAT IS COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
6:05:52PM IT'S OBVIOUS IN HEARING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT HAPPY WITH
6:05:56PM WHAT'S HAPPENED, MOST PEOPLE THINK THIS IS A GREAT PLACE AND
6:06:00PM IT'S GOT INTERNATIONAL RECOGNITION.
6:06:03PM THE THING, THOUGH, THAT WE SAW IN THE TESTIMONY WAS A
6:06:09PM PATTERN OF NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES.
6:06:11PM LIKE WITH ALL THIS HUMANITARIAN AND PHILANTHROPIC WORK,
6:06:15PM THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND ALL
6:06:17PM THESE OTHER LICENSES AND CODES, AND THEN FOR A LONG PERIOD
6:06:22PM OF TIME ALLEGEDLY SERVING ALCOHOL IN AN AREA THAT'S NOT
6:06:27PM SUPPOSED TO HAVE ALCOHOL.
6:06:29PM AS THE ATTORNEY MENTIONED JUST NOW, THAT TESTIMONY WAS NOT
6:06:32PM ONLY FROM THE P.I., BUT IT WAS FROM SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE
6:06:38PM PUBLIC WHO WERE SPEAKING OUT WHO WANTED SOME CHANGES, BUT IT
6:06:42PM ALSO WAS FROM THE PEOPLE WHO SPOKE OUT TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF
6:06:44PM THE PLACE WHO ADMITTED THAT THEY HAD DRINKS IN THIS AREA AND
6:06:50PM IT WAS AT ALL DIFFERENT TIMES.
6:06:51PM SO THERE'S PLENTY OF EVIDENCE THAT THERE WAS DRINKING IN THE
6:06:56PM AREA THAT THE APPLICANT'S OWN SITE PLAN, THEIR OWN SITE PLAN
6:07:02PM THAT SAID THEY COULD NOT DRINK OUT THERE.
6:07:04PM AND THEY COULD HAVE COME BACK AND ASKED FOR THAT TO BE
6:07:08PM CHANGED.
6:07:09PM CLEARLY, THE RULES WERE BROKEN.
6:07:12PM MORE THAN ONE RULE WAS BROKEN BUT WE'RE ONLY HERE TO LOOK AT
6:07:15PM THE ONE.
6:07:16PM ALSO, I SHOULD SAY, WITH ATTORNEY BENTLEY, THEY HAVE CHANGED
6:07:22PM EVERYTHING SUDDENLY.
6:07:25PM THEY IN EFFECT ADMIT THAT THINGS WERE GOING ON BEFORE BUT
6:07:28PM CHANGED IT.
6:07:29PM THAT MEANS KIND OF ADMITTING TO DOING THINGS BEFORE.
6:07:32PM BUT I AM WITH COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA IN THAT I THINK 30 DAYS
6:07:37PM IS A LONG TIME.
6:07:39PM I HAVE A QUESTION TO THE ATTORNEY, MAYBE THEY CAN ANSWER IT
6:07:42PM LATER.
6:07:42PM DURING PRIOR HEARINGS TWO, THREE YEARS AGO, WE TOOK AWAY THE
6:07:47PM LIQUOR LICENSE FOR TWO DAYS ON A WEEKEND OR THREE DAYS ON A
6:07:51PM WEEKEND, WHICH IS A HUGE FINANCIAL BURDEN FOR AN ALCOHOL
6:07:55PM LICENSE.
6:07:56PM I THINK THAT 30 DAYS AS SOME TESTIMONY WAS GIVEN, COULD
6:07:59PM ACTUALLY KILL A SMALL BUSINESS.
6:08:01PM I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEY MAKE.
6:08:03PM BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE.
6:08:07PM I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE GIVING 30 DAYS OR ESPECIALLY NOT
6:08:10PM MORE THAN 30 DAYS, BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE THEM TO COME INTO
6:08:14PM COMPLIANCE WITH ALL THE OTHER CODES, LIKE COUNCILMAN MIRANDA
6:08:17PM SAID.
6:08:17PM I DON'T KNOW HOW TO STRUCTURE THAT.
6:08:19PM MAYBE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY CAN ADVISE US.
6:08:21PM THANK YOU.
6:08:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IN THE MOTION WE CAN SET THE NUMBERS.
6:08:25PM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN WE SET IT LIKE ONE DAY OR TWO DAYS OR
6:08:28PM THREE DAYS?
6:08:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHATEVER YOU WANT.
6:08:30PM 30, 29, 15.
6:08:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE FOR FIRST VIOLATION IT'S ANYWHERE
6:08:34PM BETWEEN A FINDING -- IF YOU FIND A FIRST VIOLATION, IT'S
6:08:38PM ANYWHERE -- MS. JOHNSON VELEZ I'M SURE WILL CORRECT ME IF
6:08:41PM I'M WRONG -- ANYWHERE UP TO 30 DAYS, FROM 0 TO 30 DAYS.
6:08:44PM >>BILL CARLSON: IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN PUT IN THERE
6:08:47PM THAT'S CONDITIONAL ABOUT COMING UP TO CODE AND COMPLIANCE
6:08:49PM WITH THESE OTHER ALLEGATIONS THAT WERE MADE OR DO WE HAVE TO
6:08:53PM KEEP THAT SEPARATE?
6:08:54PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON VELEZ, LEGAL
6:08:56PM DEPARTMENT.
6:08:57PM THIS MATTER IS BEING BROUGHT PURSUANT TO LAND DEVELOPMENT
6:08:59PM CODE SECTION 27-318.
6:09:01PM WHAT COUNCIL IS AUTHORIZED TO DO PURSUANT TO THAT SECTION IS
6:09:04PM TO, IF YOU FIND A VIOLATION, SUSPEND THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE
6:09:10PM LICENSE OR PERMIT UP TO 30 DAYS.
6:09:14PM THE OTHER MATTERS ARE GOING THROUGH A SEPARATE PROCESS.
6:09:17PM THE CODE ENFORCEMENT MATTER, THERE'S ALREADY AN ORDER
6:09:21PM REGARDING THE PERMITTING.
6:09:22PM THERE'S AN ORDER ABOUT THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
6:09:29PM THERE ARE OTHER WAYS THAT THOSE WILL BE ADDRESSED.
6:09:31PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD JUST ASK MY COLLEAGUES WHO MAKE THE
6:09:35PM MOTION, PLEASE USE DISCRETION.
6:09:37PM WE'RE NOT TRYING TO KILL A SMALL BUSINESS AND ONE THAT
6:09:40PM OBVIOUSLY HAS ADDED A LOT TO THE COMMUNITY.
6:09:43PM I THINK TWO OR THREE DAYS ESPECIALLY ON A WEEKEND WOULD BE
6:09:46PM DEVASTATING, BUT 30 DAYS WOULD PROBABLY PUT THEM OUT OF
6:09:49PM BUSINESS.
6:09:49PM THANK YOU.
6:09:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
6:09:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'M GOING TO START OFF DOING WHAT -- I'LL
6:09:56PM PONTIFICATE ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY PART OF
6:09:59PM THE EVIDENCE.
6:09:59PM ANSWER A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP DURING THIS
6:10:02PM HEARING.
6:10:02PM FLORIDA IS A TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR.
6:10:04PM TAMPA IS GROWING.
6:10:06PM WE'RE PROPOSING TO PUT A STREETCAR ALONG THIS SECTION OF
6:10:10PM FLORIDA.
6:10:11PM THERE'S GOING TO BE CHANGES IN TAMPA HEIGHTS AND THAT CHANGE
6:10:14PM IS GOING TO COME WITH A LOT OF THESE TYPES OF
6:10:16PM ESTABLISHMENTS, INCLUDING NOISE.
6:10:18PM AND IT'S GOING TO -- IT'S GOING TO PENETRATE EVEN THE TYPES
6:10:23PM OF DEVELOPMENTS, THE DENSITY OF DEVELOPMENTS IS GOING TO
6:10:29PM BLEED INTO, AT LEAST WITHIN THAT FIRST BLOCK.
6:10:32PM I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
6:10:34PM NOBODY THAT HAS TESTIFIED TODAY HAS ASKED US TO CLOSE DOWN
6:10:41PM GRAND CATHEDRAL.
6:10:43PM IF I HEARD -- IF SOMEBODY SAID THAT, I MISSED IT.
6:10:46PM I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY ASK US TO CLOSE.
6:10:49PM ALL I KEEP HEARING FROM EVERYBODY IS THEY JUST WANT THIS
6:10:52PM ESTABLISHMENT TO FOLLOW THE RULES.
6:10:55PM THE CASE PRESENTED TO THE CITY BY THE CITY IS THAT GRAND
6:10:59PM CATHEDRAL VIOLATED THEIR LICENSE BY SELLING AND CONSUMING
6:11:05PM ALCOHOL ON AN AREA OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS NOT PERMITTED IN
6:11:09PM ACCORDANCE WITH CITY RULES.
6:11:12PM THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM GRAND CATHEDRAL GAVE US INFORMATION
6:11:18PM THAT ACCORDING TO THEIR CATERING LICENSE THAT THEY ARE
6:11:22PM PERMITTED TO SELL ALCOHOL.
6:11:24PM THAT WAS NOT REFUTED BY THE CITY.
6:11:28PM IT WAS NOT COUNTERED OR REFUTED THAT THE STATE LAW PERMITTED
6:11:35PM THEM TO DO THAT.
6:11:38PM IF THAT WAS, I MISSED IT COMPLETELY ABOUT THE STATE
6:11:44PM PREEMPTED WHAT THE CITY RULES DID.
6:11:46PM ALL OF THAT BEING SAID, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOVEMBER 11 AND
6:11:52PM 8, A VERY SPECIFIC TIMES WITH PHOTOGRAPHS, RECEIPTS ABOUT
6:11:57PM POTENTIAL VIOLATIONS.
6:11:59PM I HAVE A LAUNDRY LIST OF THINGS THAT CAME UP TONIGHT THAT
6:12:04PM HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CASE, ALL THESE OTHER
6:12:08PM THINGS.
6:12:08PM I THINK THE CITY SAID THE EXACT SAME THING.
6:12:10PM WE'RE FOCUSING ON N AND D I BELIEVE WERE THE TWO -- I'M
6:12:14PM SORRY.
6:12:14PM C AND N.
6:12:18PM D AND N.
6:12:19PM PART OF N, AND IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED HERE IN DETERMINING
6:12:23PM WHETHER TO SUSPEND OR REVOKE AN APPROVAL TO SELL ALCOHOLIC
6:12:27PM BEVERAGES, CITY COUNCIL SHALL CONSIDER THE GRAVITY OF THE
6:12:31PM VIOLATION.
6:12:31PM WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, I SEE THE GRAVITY OF THIS VIOLATION,
6:12:34PM THEY ALREADY HAVE PERMITTED WITHIN THE CITY, EVEN THROUGHOUT
6:12:38PM -- WITHIN THE CITY THEY ARE -- THEY HAVE AN OUTSIDE TIKI
6:12:42PM SELLING LIQUOR OUTSIDE.
6:12:46PM PATIO LEGALLY ABLE TO CONSUME LIQUOR OUTSIDE.
6:12:49PM SO REALLY ONLY TALKING ABOUT THIS I DON'T WANT TO SAY
6:12:54PM IMAGINARY BUT DEFINED LINE IN THE CODE THAT DIFFERENTIATES
6:12:58PM THIS RM 24 FROM THE CI AND WHERE WE PUT IT IN THIS LICENSE
6:13:03PM THAT WE ESTABLISHED BY THE CITY.
6:13:07PM WHETHER I'M STANDING HERE OR STANDING THERE WHETHER I'M IN
6:13:10PM VIOLATION OF THIS CODE.
6:13:11PM NUMBER TWO IS ANY ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE VIOLATOR TO CORRECT
6:13:14PM THE VIOLATION.
6:13:15PM THEY TESTIFIED AND UNREFUTED THAT THEY CLOSED THE PATIO ON
6:13:20PM THE 11th OF DECEMBER.
6:13:22PM THAT WAS DONE, WHICH IS FOLLOWING THE RULES.
6:13:26PM SEEMS TO ME IT WAS A GOOD-FAITH EFFORT TO FOLLOW THE RULES.
6:13:30PM I WAS VERY SPECIFIC WHEN I WAS ASKING THEM TO PUT THE
6:13:33PM INFORMATION UP ABOUT PAST VIOLATIONS AND THAT'S BECAUSE
6:13:36PM NUMBER THREE IS ANY PREVIOUS VIOLATIONS COMMITTED BY THE
6:13:39PM VIOLATOR.
6:13:39PM I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP, BUT
6:13:42PM THEY HAVEN'T REACHED THE END, HAVEN'T REACHED FRUITION SO
6:13:46PM THAT THEY ARE NOT AGAINST THEM.
6:13:48PM THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS NO.
6:13:50PM AS FAR AS THE GRAVITY OF THE VIOLATION REALLY ONLY TALKING
6:13:52PM ABOUT WHETHER SOMEBODY IS STANDING HERE OR STANDING THERE.
6:13:56PM IS IT A VIOLATION?
6:13:57PM YES.
6:13:58PM IS THE GRAVITY -- WHAT IS THE GRAVITAS OF THAT?
6:14:01PM I DON'T KNOW.
6:14:02PM IT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT UNH TO ME.
6:14:05PM ANY ACTIONS -- THEY CLOSED THE PATIO ON THE 11th.
6:14:10PM IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THEY MADE SOME GOOD FAITH EFFORTS LIKE
6:14:13PM THE NOISE BARRIER AND OTHER STUFF TO TRY TO MITIGATE THINGS
6:14:16PM HAPPENING FROM THIS PATIO.
6:14:18PM AND THERE'S NO PREVIOUS VIOLATIONS.
6:14:19PM THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE SHALL CONSIDER EVEN IF WE FIND THAT
6:14:25PM ALCOHOL WAS CONSUMED ON THE PATIO, THESE ARE THINGS WE HAVE
6:14:28PM TO CONSIDER.
6:14:29PM IT'S NOT AN OPTION.
6:14:31PM WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THOSE.
6:14:32PM I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, IF I WAS MAKING THE DECISION, I
6:14:35PM WOULD ISSUE A VIOLATION NOTICE, A WARNING, BUT I UNDERSTAND
6:14:40PM THAT PEOPLE WANT TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.
6:14:44PM I UNDERSTAND IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.
6:14:48PM BUT WE DON'T KNOW THE FINANCIALS OF THIS ESTABLISHMENT.
6:14:52PM I DON'T WANT TO KILL THIS ESTABLISHMENT.
6:14:55PM I'M AFRAID THAT IF WE GO TOO BRAVE THAT'S WHAT WILL HAPPEN.
6:15:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'LL WRAP IT UP WITH MY COMMENTS AND
6:15:02PM TAKE MOTIONS.
6:15:03PM I SAID IT BEFORE AND SAID IT AGAIN, TAMPA HEIGHTS IS THE
6:15:05PM MOST BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD IN TAMPA, PERIOD.
6:15:07PM IT'S GOT A LOT OF HISTORY.
6:15:08PM A LOT OF GREAT PEOPLE.
6:15:09PM A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT I KNOW THAT LIVE THERE AND A LOT OF
6:15:12PM GREAT BUSINESSES THAT SURROUND IT NOW AND HISTORICALLY.
6:15:14PM IF I LOOK BACK AT PAST CASES, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA MENTIONED
6:15:21PM THE YBOR CITY, THE ONE THAT WAS SUSPENDED FOR 30 DAYS.
6:15:26PM THEY HAD A GENTLEMAN BAGGING UP, I THINK IT WAS MARIJUANA,
6:15:31PM MAY HAVE BEEN COCAINE, A CARJACKING OUTSIDE ON VIDEO AND A
6:15:35PM SHOOTING AND THEY GOT 30 DAYS.
6:15:37PM PRANA WAS MENTIONED.
6:15:39PM I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WERE OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS MENTIONED
6:15:41PM TODAY, BUT I REMEMBER DURING COVID, WE'RE LOOKING AT
6:15:43PM SUSPENDING ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE PERMITS FOR PEOPLE BECAUSE OF
6:15:49PM MASK VIOLATIONS.
6:15:50PM I VOTED AGAINST ALL OF THOSE.
6:15:53PM BUSINESSES WERE SUFFERING WITH COVID TRYING TO STAY HOME.
6:15:56PM HERE WE ARE, I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO ENFORCE BUT WE'RE
6:15:59PM HURTING THEM EVEN FURTHER.
6:16:00PM I'M A CIGAR SMOKER.
6:16:02PM I SMOKE EVERYWHERE.
6:16:04PM I HAVE NO PREFERENCE TO THIS PLACE OR THE PLACE DOWN THE
6:16:07PM STREET FROM ME.
6:16:08PM IT'S JUST HOW IT'S BEEN FOR 20 YEARS.
6:16:11PM SO THIS HAS NO BEARING ON ME.
6:16:13PM GREAT.
6:16:13PM TAMPA IS A CIGAR CITY.
6:16:14PM WE HAVE A HISTORY OF OVER A CENTURY.
6:16:16PM WHATEVER.
6:16:17PM THIS BUSINESS HAS DONE A LOT FOR THE COMMUNITY IN RAISING
6:16:20PM MONEY.
6:16:21PM GREAT.
6:16:21PM THAT'S WONDERFUL, BUT IT HAS NO BEARING ON THIS CASE.
6:16:25PM YOU KNOW, I ASKED THE QUESTION OF MR. BENTLEY, WHEN WERE
6:16:30PM THEY SERVED?
6:16:30PM IT WAS THE 8th.
6:16:32PM SAYS HERE ON THE 10th.
6:16:33PM HE SAYS THE 11th.
6:16:34PM THEY SHUT DOWN THE PATIO.
6:16:36PM IN MY OPINION, THIS IS MY OPINION, IT HAS NO BEARING ON THE
6:16:38PM CASE, THE PATIO SHOULD JUST BE OPEN FOR CIGAR SMOKING ONLY.
6:16:43PM NO MUSIC AND NO ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES OUTSIDE PERIOD, GOING
6:16:47PM FORWARD OR WHATEVER.
6:16:49PM IT SHOULD JUST BE LEFT LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT WOULD AVOID
6:16:53PM FURTHER CONFLICT WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
6:16:54PM I'M BOTHERED WITH THE PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR.
6:16:57PM I THINK IT'S CREEPY, WHATEVER.
6:16:59PM THAT IS A DECISION THAT WAS MADE BY THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
6:17:03PM I'M BOTHERED BY THE HR COMPLAINT ISSUED TO THE CITY
6:17:12PM EMPLOYEE.
6:17:13PM THAT IS VERY DISTURBING.
6:17:15PM WHEREVER IT WAS INITIATED, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW
6:17:18PM THAT WOULD FEEL, SOMEBODY IN FEAR OF LOSING THEIR JOB,
6:17:21PM WHATEVER THE ACCUSATION MAY BE OR NOT BE, YOU JUST DON'T DO
6:17:24PM THAT.
6:17:24PM THIS HAS GOTTEN SO NASTY AND SO UNNECESSARILY NASTY THAT
6:17:31PM IT'S VERY BOTHERSOME.
6:17:32PM AGAIN, IN AN AREA THAT I'VE KNOWN THAT COMMUNITY SINCE I WAS
6:17:36PM A KID AND I'M NOT TESTIFYING, BUT IT'S CHANGED IN THE LAST
6:17:40PM 35 YEARS OF THE MEMORIES THAT I HAVE THERE.
6:17:43PM IT'S GOTTEN BETTER.
6:17:44PM LIKE I SAID, IT'S THE MOST BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD IN TAMPA.
6:17:47PM THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
6:17:49PM BUT HAVING LISTENED TO COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, WHAT HE
6:17:53PM SAID, THE PATIO IS CLOSED.
6:17:56PM THE PATIO I THINK SHOULD REMAIN CLOSED AND ONLY BE OPEN FOR
6:18:00PM CIGAR SMOKING AND NO OUTDOOR MUSIC, NO ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES
6:18:03PM OUTSIDE.
6:18:04PM THEY SHOULD PUT A SIGN THAT SAYS NO ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ON
6:18:07PM THE PATIO.
6:18:07PM THE EXCUSE CAN USE, IT'S AN INSURANCE ISSUE.
6:18:11PM DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO SLIP AND FALL ON THE GLASS IF
6:18:15PM SOMETHING BREAKS.
6:18:15PM I DON'T KNOW.
6:18:16PM THE THING IS WE HAVE TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE NEIGHBORS IN
6:18:18PM THE SURROUNDING AREA.
6:18:19PM THEY LIVE THERE.
6:18:20PM HOW I LOOK AT IT WHEN I GO HOME, MY HOME IS A SAFE HAVEN
6:18:25PM THAT I CAN RELAX, SIT ON THE COUCH, WHATEVER, AND PEOPLE
6:18:29PM SHOULD HAVE THAT RIGHT TO PRIVACY AND SHOULD FEEL THAT
6:18:32PM COMFORT.
6:18:33PM HOWEVER, IN WHAT I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, WHEN WE LOOK AT
6:18:39PM BUSINESSES AND PULLING THEIR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE PERMITS, I
6:18:42PM THINK I VOTED AGAINST -- I WAS MAYBE THE LONE VOTE ON A LOT
6:18:47PM OF THESE CASES WHEN IT WAS COVID MASK VIOLATIONS, PRANA WAS
6:18:49PM MENTIONED, I THINK I VOTED AGAINST THAT, I DON'T REMEMBER.
6:18:52PM THE YBOR CITY ONE WAS AN EXCEPTION BECAUSE THERE WAS
6:18:53PM VIOLENCE, DRUG DEALING, SHOOTING.
6:18:55PM THERE WAS A LOT MORE TO IT AND THEY GOT 30 DAYS.
6:18:58PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MOTION IS FROM COUNCIL.
6:19:00PM I DON'T KNOW WHO WILL MAKE THE MOTION, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE
6:19:02PM VIOLATION IS.
6:19:04PM IF THIS IS CONSIDERED A WARNING, COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN
6:19:08PM MENTIONED A WARNING, THINK ABOUT ALL THE HEART ACHE FROM
6:19:12PM BOTH SIDES, AS BUSINESS OWNERS, AS RESIDENTS, AS NEIGHBORS,
6:19:15PM AS PEOPLE FEARING RETALIATION, LET'S AVOID THIS.
6:19:20PM I KNOW MR. SEEL WAS HERE EARLIER.
6:19:23PM I RESPECT HIM TREMENDOUSLY AS I DO MANY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD
6:19:25PM LEADERS HERE.
6:19:26PM THEY ARE VERY INTELLIGENT.
6:19:27PM THEY ARE VERY GOOD, AND THEY ARE VERY CARING WHEN IT COMES
6:19:30PM TO THEIR COMMUNITY.
6:19:31PM THEY ARE VERY, VERY INVOLVED WITH THEIR ASSOCIATION, PAST
6:19:34PM PRESIDENT AND CURRENT PEOPLE.
6:19:38PM WE HAVE TO DO BETTER AND RESPECT THE RESIDENTS.
6:19:39PM IF I WERE A BUSINESS OWNER, I WOULD SAY NO OUTDOOR MUSIC, NO
6:19:42PM ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES OUTSIDE AND IT SOLVES THE PROBLEM.
6:19:45PM THAT'S IT AND PEOPLE MOVE FORWARD.
6:19:47PM AND WE CAN CONTINUE DOING BUSINESS.
6:19:50PM GREAT ESTABLISHMENT.
6:19:51PM A LOT OF PEOPLE CAME OUT IN SUPPORT OF IT.
6:19:53PM AGAIN, I END MY COMMENTS THERE AND I'M OPEN TO HEARING THE
6:19:57PM MOTIONS FROM COUNCIL.
6:20:00PM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP.
6:20:01PM MS. JOHNSON VELEZ, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK?
6:20:04PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
6:20:05PM I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THE SECTION OF THE CODE THAT THESE
6:20:08PM PROCEEDINGS ARE BEING CONDUCTED AND DOES NOT ALLOW FOR
6:20:11PM COUNCIL TO ISSUE A WARNING.
6:20:13PM MENTIONED A COUPLE OF TIMES.
6:20:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE HAS TO BE A MOTION MADE WITH DAYS.
6:20:22PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: IF THERE IS A VIOLATION -- SUSPENSION
6:20:22PM -- CORRECT, OKAY, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.
6:20:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE HEARING IS CLOSED, SIR.
6:20:25PM YOU CANNOT ADD ANYTHING ELSE.
6:20:28PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I DIDN'T GET FIVE MINUTES, BUT I DON'T
6:20:30PM WANT TO GIVE A LECTURE EITHER.
6:20:32PM I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THE WORD PRIVILEGE, AND THAT IS
6:20:35PM DEFINITELY WHAT'S STICKING OUT IN THE BACK OF MY MIND, WHO
6:20:38PM DESERVES WHAT, WHETHER A DRUG DEALER DESERVES 30 DAYS AND
6:20:42PM THEIR BUSINESS FOR WHAT WAS HAPPENING.
6:20:44PM WE DON'T KNOW ALL THE CIRCUMSTANCES AND IT SHOULDN'T HAVE TO
6:20:46PM FACTOR INTO THIS SITUATION.
6:20:48PM WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST THE VIOLATIONS FOR THIS PARTICULAR
6:20:52PM SITUATION AND THE LONGEVITY OF IT, NOT JUST THE TIME THAT
6:20:57PM THE INVESTIGATOR WAS THERE.
6:20:59PM THERE WERE OTHER IT MUST THAT CAME TO THAT.
6:21:01PM THAT BEING SAID, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A MOTION AND IF IT GETS
6:21:04PM A SECOND, WE'LL SEE.
6:21:06PM BUT I MOVE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ENFORCE A 25-DAY SUSPENSION
6:21:11PM IN PURSUANT OF SECTION 27-318 THAT AUTHORIZES THE CITY TO
6:21:17PM SUSPEND THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES DUE TO THE
6:21:21PM VIOLATIONS OF 27-318-D AND N FOR 25 DAYS.
6:21:31PM DID I SAY 20 DAYS?
6:21:32PM I'M SORRY.
6:21:33PM I SAID 25 DAYS.
6:21:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'LL SECOND WITH A CAVEAT.
6:21:43PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: NOTICE TO INTENT, 25 DAYS.
6:21:47PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MS. HENDERSON, IF I CAN, COUNCILWOMAN, I'M
6:21:51PM GOING TO SUGGEST THAT YOU MAKE A FINDING OF A FIRST
6:21:55PM VIOLATION.
6:21:55PM YOU SAID IT PROPERLY.
6:21:58PM YOU SAID TO SUSPEND THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE, YOU MENTIONED
6:22:02PM THE DURATION OF 25 DAYS.
6:22:03PM THE NEXT THING YOU WILL BE ASKED TO DO AS PART OF THE MOTION
6:22:06PM IS TO HAVE A START DATE.
6:22:08PM I BELIEVE THE START DATE, MS. JOHNSON VELEZ, IF THAT IS
6:22:12PM COUNCIL'S MOTION --
6:22:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE START DATE IS AS SOON AS TOMORROW.
6:22:16PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE BEFORE IT STARTS?
6:22:23PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: GO AHEAD AND ADD THE FINDING OF FACT FOR
6:22:25PM ME PLEASE.
6:22:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: LET'S GET THE DURATION SO IT'S PART OF THE
6:22:29PM MOTION.
6:22:30PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: IT COULD START AS EARLY AS TOMORROW.
6:22:33PM IT'S WITHIN COUNCIL'S DISCRETION TO SET THE DURATION AND THE
6:22:36PM TIME FRAME.
6:22:39PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: TODAY IS THE 25th.
6:22:41PM EFFECTIVE STARTING TOMORROW, WHICH IS JANUARY 26th AND 25
6:22:47PM DAYS FROM THERE WOULD BE --
6:22:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEY'LL FIGURE IT OUT.
6:22:51PM YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL THE END DATE.
6:22:53PM THEY'LL FIGURE IT OUT.
6:22:54PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: FOR FAILURE TO FOLLOW THE DESIGNATED SITE
6:22:57PM PLAN.
6:23:01PM GOSH, MY NOTES ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
6:23:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MS. JOHNSON VELEZ, DO YOU MIND?
6:23:07PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: GO AHEAD.
6:23:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN WE PUT ANY OTHER CONDITIONS ON IT?
6:23:11PM LIKE A CONDITION TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD?
6:23:15PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DON'T THINK SO.
6:23:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S FINE.
6:23:17PM I'M JUST ASKING.
6:23:18PM THANK YOU.
6:23:19PM SO MY FINDING OF FACT IS --
6:23:25PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU AND FORGIVE ME.
6:23:29PM I WANT TO BE CLEAR, YOU HAVE TWO SECTIONS.
6:23:34PM >> I'M ADDRESSING THE CHAIR.
6:23:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IT'S CLOSED.
6:23:37PM >> MS. JOHNSON HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT DATES.
6:23:41PM WE HAVE GASPARILLA COMING UP.
6:23:42PM IF WE HAVE ANY SAY --
6:23:45PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A MOTION.
6:23:48PM >> I'M SORRY.
6:23:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY, DO I HAVE TO REOPEN THE
6:23:52PM PUBLIC HEARING IN ORDER TO ALLOW THE GENTLEMAN TO SPEAK?
6:23:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE DISCUSSION OF THE DURATION --
6:24:03PM >>BILL CARLSON: ASK LEGAL A QUESTION.
6:24:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
6:24:07PM >>BILL CARLSON: MS. JOHNSON VELEZ IS REPRESENTING THE CITY'S
6:24:12PM CASE.
6:24:13PM YOU'RE IN EFFECT REPRESENTING THE NEUTRAL PARTY.
6:24:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
6:24:17PM >>BILL CARLSON: AND TYPICALLY WE WOULD GET BOTH SIDES A
6:24:22PM CHANCE TO SPEAK.
6:24:23PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DO IN THIS SITUATION.
6:24:25PM IN SOME WAYS MS. JOHNSON VELEZ WAS ANSWERING QUESTIONS ON
6:24:29PM BEHALF OF THE CITY NOT ON THE CASE.
6:24:31PM SINCE WE ALLOWED HER TO SPEAK, FOR THE RECORD, DO WE NOT
6:24:36PM NEED TO ALLOW HIM TO SPEAK AND OPEN THIS BACK UP?
6:24:42PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MS. JOHNSON VELEZ WAS ANSWERING A SPECIFIC
6:24:45PM QUESTION OF COUNCIL OR ME AS TO WHEN A START DATE CAN BEGIN.
6:24:51PM MR. BENTLEY DID NOT ADDRESS THIS DURING HIS REBUTTAL.
6:24:55PM IF YOU WISH TO GIVE HIM CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME TO BE ABLE TO
6:24:59PM DO THAT, THAT IS COUNCIL'S DISCRETION.
6:25:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE TO REOPEN THE HEARING?
6:25:03PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
6:25:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO REOPEN?
6:25:04PM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
6:25:08PM >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I?
6:25:09PM IF WE DO IT --
6:25:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN WE PLEASE FINISH THE MOTION?
6:25:15PM >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CHAIRMAN, DO YOU WANT ME OR COUNCILWOMAN
6:25:18PM HURTAK.
6:25:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK: PEOPLE KEEP INTERRUPTING ME.
6:25:21PM I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF SOMETHING.
6:25:22PM THEN IT WENT TO MARTY.
6:25:26PM >>LUIS VIERA: I'M OKAY WITH THE COUNCILWOMAN FINISHING.
6:25:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FINDINGS OF FACT.
6:25:32PM AT LEAST LET US FINISH THE MOTION.
6:25:34PM SECTION 27-319 SUBSECTION N WHERE COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN
6:25:46PM TALKED ABOUT THE GRAVITY OF THE VIOLATION, I DISAGREE WITH
6:25:50PM MY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
6:25:50PM THE GRAVITY IS PRETTY SERIOUS.
6:25:52PM THEY KNEW THEY COULDN'T SELL ALCOHOL BECAUSE THEY CREATED
6:25:55PM THIS SITE PLAN AND YET THEY DID IT ANYWAY FOR YEARS.
6:25:59PM WE'VE HAD COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT THEY WERE
6:26:03PM DOING THIS OVER TIME.
6:26:04PM I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS A SMALL BUSINESS, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN
6:26:07PM DOING THIS OVER AND OVER AND BASICALLY FLAUNTING THE RULES
6:26:10PM OF THE CITY.
6:26:11PM I DON'T FIND THAT TO BE OKAY.
6:26:13PM I THINK 25 DAYS IS PERFECTLY REASONABLE.
6:26:17PM I DON'T CARE WHAT TIME OF YEAR IT IS.
6:26:19PM IT'S YOUR FIRST VIOLATION BUT YOU HAVE SO MANY OTHER
6:26:24PM VIOLATIONS, I KNOW I CAN'T TALK ABOUT THAT, WHAT THAT
6:26:26PM BASICALLY MEANS IS YOU JUST DON'T CARE.
6:26:29PM SO THE FINDING OF FACT IS THE SITE PLAN WAS CREATED BY THIS
6:26:35PM ESTABLISHMENT, NOT EVEN TWO YEARS AGO.
6:26:39PM AND THEY KNEW THEY COULDN'T SELL AND THEY DID SO ANYWAY.
6:26:49PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT'S SUBSECTION D AND N DUE TO FAILURE
6:26:53PM OF FOLLOWING THEIR OWN SITE PLAN.
6:26:54PM DO I NEED TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE TO THE MOTION?
6:26:57PM IT'S ALREADY BEEN SECONDED.
6:26:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ANY OTHER FINDINGS OF FACT THAT YOU WISH TO
6:27:03PM STATE THAT ADDRESSES THE CRITERIA IN EITHER D OR N IS
6:27:08PM HELPFUL TO YOUR MOTION IF YOU WISH TO MAKE SPECIFIC FINDINGS
6:27:12PM OF FACT BASED ON TESTIMONY YOU MIGHT HAVE HEARD OR EVIDENCE
6:27:16PM THAT YOU HAVE.
6:27:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I CAN ALSO ADD THE MULTIPLE PUBLIC COMMENTS
6:27:19PM THAT ADMITTED ALCOHOL WAS SOLD AND CONSUMED ON THE PATIO NOT
6:27:23PM DURING SPECIFIC EVENTS.
6:27:24PM SO MULTIPLE PEOPLE, BOTH PEOPLE WHO SUPPORTED GRAND
6:27:27PM CATHEDRAL AND NEIGHBORS BOTH SAID THAT ALCOHOL HAD BEEN
6:27:32PM CONSUMED BY THEM ON THE PATIO, AND THAT IS COMPETENT AND
6:27:36PM SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
6:27:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
6:27:39PM HENDERSON AND SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
6:27:42PM I'LL JUST SAY AND I'LL GO TO YOU, OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS I
6:27:48PM BELIEVE WERE GIVEN ADVANCED NOTICE, MEANING THEY HAD AN
6:27:53PM OPPORTUNITY TO CURE.
6:27:54PM I DON'T KNOW ALL THE CASES.
6:27:56PM I DON'T KNOW THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE CITY, BUT SINCE I'VE
6:27:58PM BEEN HERE, YOU BROUGHT UP SOME EXAMPLES.
6:28:02PM I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE AFFORDED DUE PROCESS.
6:28:05PM FORGET THE OTHER VIOLATIONS.
6:28:06PM WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS.
6:28:08PM THIS IS THE GRAVITY OF THIS IS THE LIQUOR LICENSE.
6:28:11PM WE'RE NOT PULLING IT COMPLETELY BUT SUSPENDING IT FOR A
6:28:16PM PERIOD OF TIME.
6:28:17PM I JUST DON'T FEEL PROPER NOTICE WAS GIVEN SAYING HEY YOU ARE
6:28:21PM IN VIOLATION OF THIS.
6:28:22PM YOU HAVE SEVEN DAYS TO CLEAR IT UP.
6:28:24PM I THINK THERE WAS A MAJOR LEGAL ISSUE THERE OF IMPROPER,
6:28:29PM WHAT IS IT, UNDUE PROCESS -- DUE PROCESS.
6:28:33PM I DECIDED NOT TO GO TO LAW SCHOOL AND HERE I AM.
6:28:38PM THERE ARE SEVERAL ISSUES HERE.
6:28:41PM REGARDLESS OF ALL THE OTHER COMPLAINTS AND THIS AND THAT,
6:28:44PM THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS SOME KIND
6:28:47PM OF NOTICE TO FIX IT.
6:28:49PM THEY WERE SERVED.
6:28:49PM THEY CLOSED THE PATIO.
6:28:51PM I HOPE THEY LEARNED THEIR LESSON.
6:28:54PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY BUT I DON'T THINK THIS WAS
6:28:57PM DONE THE RIGHT WAY.
6:28:58PM I'M BOTHERED BY OTHER FACTORS.
6:29:00PM HARASSMENT TO THE NEIGHBORS.
6:29:02PM THE HR COMPLAINT, THE PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR.
6:29:05PM JUST SO MANY FACTORS HERE.
6:29:07PM I TAKE ISSUE WITH A LOT OF THIS STUFF.
6:29:11PM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP AND COUNCILMAN
6:29:14PM MIRANDA.
6:29:15PM >>BILL CARLSON: ONE THING IS MR. BENTLEY LAID GROUNDWORK IN
6:29:20PM THE BEGINNING FOR AN APPEAL AND THE CITY ANSWERED IT.
6:29:24PM IT SOUNDS LIKE WE MOSTLY SIDE WITH THE CITY, BUT HE LAID A
6:29:29PM STRONG ARGUMENT FOR AN APPEAL.
6:29:31PM NOW WE'RE NOT LETTING HIM REBUT, WHICH WORRIES ME IN THE
6:29:35PM FILE.
6:29:36PM I WOULD JUST SAY TO THIS MOTION, I THINK THAT AS I STATED
6:29:44PM BEFORE, 25 DAYS IS TOO LONG.
6:29:47PM EVEN IF WE GAVE THEM 0 DAYS, BUT PUT THIS IN, THEN IT WOULD
6:29:53PM BE BAD BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS THE NEXT TIME?
6:29:55PM WHAT IS THE --
6:29:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 60 DAYS.
6:29:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: UP TO 60 DAYS.
6:30:02PM >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T RECOMMEND 0, BUT I DON'T RECOMMEND
6:30:05PM 30.
6:30:05PM I THINK 20 OR 25 IS TOO MANY.
6:30:07PM I THINK IT SHOULD BE TWO OR THREE.
6:30:09PM I THINK ON A WEEKEND NIGHT TALKING THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS
6:30:13PM OF DOLLARS AND UPSET CUSTOMERS.
6:30:17PM I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE.
6:30:18PM THANK YOU.
6:30:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, YOU HAD YOUR HAND
6:30:21PM UP.
6:30:24PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
6:30:25PM A COUPLE OF ISSUES.
6:30:26PM ON THE MOTION TO OPEN OR REOPEN, OF COURSE, WE WANTED THE
6:30:29PM COUNCILWOMAN TO FINISH HER WELL-THOUGHT -- COUNCILWOMEN TO
6:30:33PM FINISH THEIR WELL-THOUGHT-OUT MOTION.
6:30:38PM FOR THE SAKE OF TIME ALLOW MR. BENTLEY, IF WE DO IT NO MORE
6:30:42PM THAN 60 SECONDS SO HE CAN MAKE HIS POINT AND THEN MOVE ON
6:30:45PM FROM THERE.
6:30:46PM WITH REGARDS TO THE MOTION, I DO BELIEVE IT IS VERY CLEAR
6:30:49PM THAT A VIOLATION WAS MADE.
6:30:51PM 25 DAYS IS WAY TOO MUCH FOR ME.
6:30:53PM WAY TOO MUCH FOR ME IN TERMS OF WHAT I FEEL COMFORTABLE ON
6:30:56PM THIS KIND OF A VIOLATION.
6:30:58PM AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO DO ZERO, BY THE WAY, THERE DOES HAVE
6:31:02PM TO BE SOME SORT OF PENALTY.
6:31:04PM 25, THOUGH, IS TOO MUCH FOR ME.
6:31:06PM MY THOUGHTS ON THAT AND THE MOTION --
6:31:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO REOPEN AND GIVE MR.
6:31:10PM BENTLEY 60 SECONDS.
6:31:12PM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA TO REOPEN.
6:31:13PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
6:31:15PM ALL IN FAVOR?
6:31:16PM AYE.
6:31:16PM ANY OPPOSED?
6:31:17PM >> NAY.
6:31:18PM >> NAY.
6:31:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: CAN WE HAVE THAT ANNOUNCED, PLEASE?
6:31:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANNOUNCE THE VOTE TO REOPEN.
6:31:26PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK AND HENDERSON VOTING
6:31:28PM NO.
6:31:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
6:31:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BEFORE YOU BEGIN, MR. BENTLEY, IN
6:31:33PM REGARDS TO THE 25 DAYS, I REMEMBER COVID.
6:31:35PM PEOPLE WERE SHUT DOWN FOR 30 DAYS FOR BUSINESS AND A LOT OF
6:31:39PM PEOPLE CLOSED.
6:31:40PM SOME GOT PPP MONEY OR WHATEVER IT IS.
6:31:43PM SOME DIDN'T QUALIFY FOR IT AND A LOT OF PEOPLE CLOSED.
6:31:45PM 25 DAYS IS A DEATH SENTENCE.
6:31:47PM I DON'T KNOW THE FINANCIALS, BUT AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW,
6:31:54PM YOU PUT PEOPLE OUT OF BUSINESS.
6:31:56PM I COME FROM A FAMILY OF SMALL BUSINESS PEOPLE, THEY WOULD GO
6:31:59PM OUT OF BUSINESS.
6:32:00PM MANY OTHER PEOPLE WOULD GO OUT OF BUSINESS.
6:32:02PM THAT IS THE PERIL THERE.
6:32:03PM YOU HAVE 60 SECONDS TO RESPOND, SIR.
6:32:06PM >> IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THE CLIENT HAS EXISTING CONTRACTS
6:32:09PM AND EVENTS SCHEDULED AND IT'S GASPARILLA WEEKEND, PROBABLY
6:32:12PM THE BIGGEST WEEKEND OF THE YEAR IN TAMPA, THEY WOULD BE
6:32:18PM AMENABLE, NOT THAT WE HAVE ANY CHOICE IT APPEARS, TO A
6:32:22PM SUSPENSION THE FOLLOWING WEEKEND FOR TWO DAYS.
6:32:24PM THAT WOULD BE FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.
6:32:31PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: CAN I ASK A QUESTION TO THE ATTORNEY?
6:32:33PM >> I JUST POINT OUT HERE AGAIN, HAVEN'T USED MY 60 SECONDS,
6:32:38PM MAYBE I HAVE.
6:32:38PM RITZ YBOR GOT 0 AND THEN CLUB PRANA THEY HAD MULTIPLE NOTICE
6:32:43PM OF INTENT AND THEY WERE IN FRONT DEALING WITH THE CITY FOR A
6:32:45PM LONG TIME WORKING OUT PROBLEMS AND THEY GOT 7 DAYS.
6:32:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
6:32:52PM >> THANK YOU.
6:32:52PM APPRECIATE IT.
6:32:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
6:32:56PM HURTAK.
6:33:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IT'S YOUR TURN.
6:33:02PM WE HAD TO CLOSE THE HEARING.
6:33:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK WANTS TO CLOSE THE
6:33:05PM HEARING.
6:33:06PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
6:33:07PM ALL IN FAVOR?
6:33:08PM AYE.
6:33:09PM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
6:33:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WANT TO ADDRESS ONE ABOUT THE GRAVITY OF
6:33:16PM THE SITUATION.
6:33:16PM WHAT I'M TALK ABOUT, I WOULD AGREE ABOUT THE GRAVITY
6:33:23PM SITUATION IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A LEGAL LIQUOR LICENSE TO SELL
6:33:25PM AND CONSUME LIQUOR OUTSIDE.
6:33:26PM THEY ALREADY HAVE A BAR OUTSIDE.
6:33:28PM THEY HAVE A PATIO OUTSIDE.
6:33:29PM WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT, AGAIN, IF THE PERSON IS STANDING
6:33:32PM HERE OR STANDING SIX INCHES AWAY, THAT MAKES LEGAL, ILLEGAL.
6:33:37PM THAT'S WHY I'M TALKING ABOUT THE GRAVITY OF THE SITUATION.
6:33:43PM I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE MOTION TO STRIKE
6:33:45PM 25, INSERT 2 AND STRIKE THE STARTING DATE AND INSERT
6:33:51PM FEBRUARY 12th.
6:33:53PM I'M SORRY.
6:33:57PM SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
6:33:57PM MOTION TO AMEND.
6:33:59PM MOTION TO AMEND, STRIKE 25, INSERT 2.
6:34:04PM STRIKE THE STARTING DATE AND MAKE THE NEW STARTING DATE
6:34:09PM FEBRUARY 12.
6:34:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU WANT TO REDUCE THE DAYS TO TWO.
6:34:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CORRECT.
6:34:14PM AND THE STARTING DATE TO FEBRUARY 12th.
6:34:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SHE HAS TO APPROVE IT.
6:34:23PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
6:34:26PM A MOTION TO AMEND REQUIRES A MOTION AND A SECOND HE.
6:34:29PM THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU COULD HAVE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION
6:34:31PM TO AMEND AND THEN YOU HAVE A VOTE ON THE MOTION TO AMEND AND
6:34:37PM IF THAT VOTE PASSES, THEN THE MAIN MOTION COMES BACK ON THE
6:34:40PM FLOOR WITH THAT AMENDMENT.
6:34:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
6:34:48PM [INAUDIBLE]
6:34:52PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, AND SUBSTITUTE MOTION UNDER ROBERT'S
6:34:55PM RULES IS OUT OF ORDER.
6:34:57PM IF IT SUBSTANTIVELY OVERTURNS THE MOTION.
6:35:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I REMEMBER TWO PEOPLE THAT BOUGHT IT ON
6:35:06PM THE SAME DAY, THOUGH.
6:35:07PM THANK YOU.
6:35:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE IS A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
6:35:11PM CLENDENIN.
6:35:11PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
6:35:13PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:35:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I MIGHT AGREE WITH YOU IF THEY HADN'T BUILT
6:35:20PM THE PATIO AFTER THEY HAD THEIR SITE PLAN.
6:35:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT WASN'T IN EVIDENCE, WAS IT?
6:35:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, IT WAS.
6:35:28PM THE EVIDENCE IS IN HERE, IN THIS BOOK WHERE THEY SHOWED A
6:35:32PM PHOTO OF, HEY, WE'RE BUILDING A PATIO FOR YOU.
6:35:37PM AND THEY PUT IT ON THEIR INSTAGRAM.
6:35:40PM IT WAS AFTER THE SITE PLAN WAS APPROVED.
6:35:43PM SO THAT'S MY POINT.
6:35:46PM THEY KNEW, THEY BUILT THE PATIO, WHICH IS ALSO PART OF THIS
6:35:49PM CODE THING WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A
6:35:52PM PERMIT FOR THE PATIO THEY BUILT UNPERMITTED.
6:35:55PM THAT WAS ACTUALLY MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING THAT THERE WAS
6:35:57PM NO PERMIT FOR THE PATIO DURING TESTIMONY.
6:36:00PM SO THERE WAS TESTIMONY THAT THERE WAS NO PERMIT FOR THE
6:36:03PM PATIO AND MS. JOHNSON VELEZ AND MR. COTTON, I ASKED ABOUT
6:36:08PM THAT AND THEY SAID, YES, THAT WAS CORRECT.
6:36:10PM SO MY POINT IS THEY CREATED THIS HARDSHIP FOR THEMSELVES,
6:36:15PM AND IF THAT'S THE CASE AND YOU ALL DON'T WANT TO DO 25 DAYS,
6:36:19PM THAT'S FINE, BUT 2 IS UNACCEPTABLE.
6:36:21PM THEY CREATED THEIR OWN PROBLEM.
6:36:24PM I UNDERSTAND THEY ARE A GOOD BUSINESS AND YOU DON'T WANT TO
6:36:26PM HURT A SMALL BUSINESS.
6:36:27PM I DON'T WANT TO HURT A SMALL BUSINESS EITHER, BUT YOU CAN'T
6:36:31PM FLAUNT THE RULES.
6:36:34PM FLOUT THE RULES.
6:36:36PM YOU ABSOLUTELY CANNOT DO THAT AND THEY HAVE DONE THAT TIME
6:36:39PM AFTER TIME.
6:36:40PM THEY CREATED THEIR OWN SITE PLAN.
6:36:43PM THEN THEY BUILT AN ILLEGAL PATIO, AND NOW THEY ARE HAVING
6:36:49PM DRINKS ON THAT PATIO.
6:36:50PM I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU IF THAT WAS THE CASE THAT THE PATIO
6:36:53PM HAD ALREADY BEEN THERE, BUT IT WASN'T.
6:36:56PM I SAY THEN IF WE REALLY WANT TO DO THIS, 7 DAYS STARTING
6:37:00PM TOMORROW.
6:37:01PM I THINK THAT IS A REALLY VALUABLE STRONG LESSON.
6:37:05PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: FROM 25 TO 7?
6:37:09PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THERE IS A MOTION AND SECOND ON THE FLOOR.
6:37:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK: [INAUDIBLE]
6:37:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
6:37:17PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: STARTING WHEN?
6:37:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK: TOMORROW.
6:37:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S NOT THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
6:37:21PM THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR IS TWO DAYS BEGINNING
6:37:26PM FEBRUARY 12th.
6:37:27PM THAT IS THE MOTION THAT'S BEEN SECONDED FOR A MOTION TO
6:37:30PM AMEND.
6:37:31PM THAT'S THE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION.
6:37:34PM IT'S A MOTION TO AMEND.
6:37:36PM >>BILL CARLSON: I STATED MY REASONS BEFORE WHY I THOUGHT IT
6:37:40PM SHOULD BE A SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME.
6:37:43PM THE OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY, THOUGH, IS THAT ATTORNEY
6:37:49PM BENTLEY HAS BEEN HELPING THEM TO CHANGE THINGS IN THE LAST
6:37:52PM COUPLE OF MONTHS.
6:37:54PM IF THEY HAVE A VIOLATION AGAIN, JUST FOR EVERYBODY IN THE
6:37:57PM AUDIENCE WHO GOES THERE, IF THEY HAVE A VIOLATION AGAIN,
6:38:00PM EVEN IF THEY HAVE 300 PEOPLE SHOW UP, I'M GOING TO PUSH FOR
6:38:04PM 60 DAYS.
6:38:04PM SO WHAT THEY'VE SAID IS THAT THEY ARE CHANGING AND
6:38:10PM RETHINKING CLEANING IT UP.
6:38:12PM I'M SUPPORTING TWO FOR RIGHT NOW WHICH I THINK IS VERY
6:38:16PM SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL IMPACT TO THEM WITH THE IDEA THAT THEY
6:38:20PM ARE GOING TO BE -- THEY HAVE CLEANED UP AND THEY ARE GOING
6:38:23PM TO BE CLEAN.
6:38:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
6:38:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU.
6:38:28PM I'M LIKE YOU, IF IT HAPPENS AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE 60.
6:38:32PM HOWEVER, I THINK THAT 30 OR 25 IS A LONG PERIOD OF TIME FOR
6:38:38PM WHAT I'VE HEARD TODAY ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE.
6:38:42PM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE TWO DAYS -- EACH TWO WEEKS FOR A MONTH.
6:38:48PM IT'S ABOUT EIGHT DAYS AND WORK THAT OUT.
6:38:50PM I'M JUST GIVING -- I KNOW THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
6:38:53PM I'M NOT TRYING TO CHANGE IT.
6:38:54PM WE DO TWO DAYS A WEEK FOR A MONTH, I THINK THE MESSAGE GETS
6:38:58PM ACROSS.
6:38:59PM THE PEOPLE THAT MIGHT HAVE THIS IDEA IN THE FUTURE GETS
6:39:02PM ACROSS, AND WE CAN MARCH FORWARD AND SAY WE SET THE
6:39:07PM STANDARD, HOWEVER, IF YOU DO THIS, IT'S GOING TO BE 60.
6:39:10PM NOT THIS CASE, FOR ANY OTHER CASE.
6:39:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
6:39:14PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
6:39:15PM I THINK A FEW DAYS, LIKE TWO DAYS, I THINK IN MY OPINION FOR
6:39:21PM THE VIOLATION SENDS THE WRONG MESSAGE.
6:39:23PM I WANT MORE.
6:39:25PM HOWEVER, DOING IT DURING GASPARILLA ALSO SENDS THE WRONG
6:39:28PM MESSAGE.
6:39:28PM AND, BY THE WAY, THERE'S POTENTIAL PROCEDURAL ISSUES HERE
6:39:32PM ALLEGEDLY, AND IF WE DO IT ON GASPARILLA, THEN GUESS WHAT,
6:39:35PM THE POTENTIAL DAMAGES FOR THE CITY WILL GO UP VERY MUCH SO
6:39:39PM HIGHER AND TO WHAT BENEFIT?
6:39:42PM TO WHAT BENEFIT?
6:39:43PM I'M MUCH MORE IN AGREEMENT, SOMEWHERE AROUND WHERE
6:39:46PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SAID.
6:39:48PM IN EFFECT TALK ABOUT EIGHT DAYS SPREAD OUT OVER A MONTH.
6:39:51PM I'M LOOKING AT FIVE TO SEVEN DAYS BUT NOT ON GASPARILLA.
6:39:54PM TWO SENDS THE WRONG MESSAGE.
6:39:56PM I THINK UP TO SEVEN DAYS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS
6:39:59PM REASONABLE BECAUSE, AGAIN, A VIOLATION DID OCCUR.
6:40:02PM THAT IS CLEAR, AND WE HAVE TO ACT ON IT.
6:40:05PM DOING ZERO DAYS OR VIRTUALLY ZERO DAYS I THINK SENDS THE
6:40:09PM WRONG MESSAGE.
6:40:10PM BUT AGAIN, DOING IT ON GASPARILLA WHEN TODAY IS THURSDAY AND
6:40:13PM IT'S COMING UP ON SATURDAY, I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF THAT
6:40:17PM AT ALL.
6:40:18PM AGAIN, I DO THINK THERE IS ROOM HERE FOR A PENALTY, BUT
6:40:21PM DOING IT IN A WAY THAT IS REASONABLE BUT ALSO RESOLUTE.
6:40:25PM THANK YOU.
6:40:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
6:40:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WANT TO REMIND OUR COUNCILMAN THAT WE'RE
6:40:31PM NOT TALKING ABOUT A BUSINESS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EMPLOYEES.
6:40:34PM EVEN IF WE WERE GOING TO SHUT DOWN A BUSINESS FOR EVEN A
6:40:36PM DAY, THOSE EMPLOYEES NEED TO HAVE NOTICE.
6:40:39PM A LOT OF THESE TYPES OF EMPLOYEES ARE THE SAME EMPLOYEES
6:40:41PM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT ARE STRUGGLING WITH THEIR
6:40:44PM DAY-TO-DAY BILLS TO PAY FOR RENT, TO PAY FOR ALL THESE
6:40:47PM THINGS.
6:40:48PM EVERY DAY YOU SHUT DOWN A BUSINESS, IT IS VERY, VERY HARD ON
6:40:52PM THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING FOR THEM.
6:40:55PM WHATEVER HOW MANY DAYS WE SHUT THEM DOWN, WE'VE GOT TO TAKE
6:40:58PM THAT INTO ACCOUNT AS WELL, ESPECIALLY FOR NOTIFICATION.
6:41:04PM IF YOU SHUT THEM DOWN TOMORROW, THE EMPLOYEES ARE OUT OF A
6:41:07PM PAYCHECK TOMORROW.
6:41:07PM I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
6:41:13PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, CHAIR.
6:41:14PM WE DIDN'T SAY WE WERE SHUTTING DOWN THEIR BUSINESS.
6:41:17PM WE WERE SAYING THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED TO SERVE ALCOHOL.
6:41:19PM THEY ACTUALLY HAVE FOOD TRUCKS.
6:41:21PM THEY HAVE OTHER WAYS.
6:41:23PM THEY CAN BE CREATIVE.
6:41:24PM THEY HAVE CIGARS.
6:41:26PM THEY CAN SERVE MOCK TAILS.
6:41:29PM THEY DON'T HAVE TO SERVE ALCOHOL.
6:41:31PM WE'RE NOT SHUTTING DOWN THEIR BUSINESS.
6:41:33PM THIS WOULD NOT FLY IN EAST TAMPA.
6:41:35PM THEY WOULD GET A HARSHER PUNISHMENT.
6:41:37PM I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW THERE'S TWO DAYS AND SEVEN DAYS IS
6:41:40PM UNACCEPTABLE.
6:41:41PM IT'S UNACCEPTABLE, ESPECIALLY IN THE LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT
6:41:46PM THERE ARE -- YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO SAY IT
6:41:50PM BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE NEWSPAPER, BUT THIS IS
6:41:53PM PRIVILEGE.
6:41:55PM THERE'S TOO MUCH FAVORITISM IN THESE DAYS OF TWO DAYS AND
6:41:59PM SEVEN DAYS.
6:42:00PM IT IS UNACCEPTABLE.
6:42:01PM I'M SAYING THAT PUBLICLY TO EVERYONE.
6:42:04PM I DON'T KNOW WHO I NEED TO BE AFRAID OF AROUND HERE BECAUSE
6:42:07PM I'M SAYING THAT BUT THAT IS DEFINITELY UNACCEPTABLE.
6:42:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CALL THE QUESTION.
6:42:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA AND THEN WE'LL TAKE
6:42:15PM THIS VOTE.
6:42:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND TO CALL THE QUESTION.
6:42:21PM WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
6:42:23PM ALL IN FAVOR?
6:42:24PM AYE.
6:42:24PM TO TAKE A VOTE ON COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN'S MOTION.
6:42:27PM ALL IN FAVOR?
6:42:30PM AYE.
6:42:32PM ANY OPPOSED?
6:42:33PM >> NAY.
6:42:35PM >> NAY --
6:42:36PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SAY WHAT'S ON THE FLOOR SO EVERYBODY
6:42:39PM UNDERSTANDS.
6:42:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO CALL THE QUESTION, WHICH MEANS
6:42:41PM TO TAKE THE VOTE BY COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
6:42:46PM ENDS THE DEBATE --
6:42:48PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: [INAUDIBLE]
6:42:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN TO
6:42:52PM CALL THE QUESTION.
6:42:53PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
6:42:54PM ALL IN FAVOR?
6:42:55PM AYE.
6:42:57PM ANY OPPOSED?
6:42:58PM >> NAY.
6:42:59PM >> NAY.
6:43:00PM >> NAY.
6:43:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHAT'S ON THE VOTE?
6:43:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS IS FOR TWO-DAY SUSPENSION STARTING
6:43:05PM FEBRUARY 12th.
6:43:06PM THE MOTION FAILED.
6:43:13PM >>THE CLERK: HURTAK, HENDERSON, VIERA, AND MIRANDA VOTING
6:43:15PM NO.
6:43:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TO CALL THE QUESTION.
6:43:18PM ANYBODY ELSE FINISHING COMMENTS HERE?
6:43:25PM >>LUIS VIERA: I JUST WANTED TO RESPOND TO THE ACCUSATIONS OF
6:43:28PM FAVORITISM.
6:43:29PM THESE FOLKS OWN THE PROPERTY, I DON'T KNOW THEM.
6:43:32PM I'VE NEVER BEEN THERE.
6:43:34PM I DON'T SMOKE CIGARS.
6:43:35PM I DON'T DRINK.
6:43:36PM I'M PRETTY BORING I GUESS.
6:43:37PM BUT I DON'T KNOW THESE FOLKS.
6:43:39PM JUST FOR THE RECORD I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MYSELF.
6:43:42PM I'M LOOKING TO DO WHAT IS FAIR AND EQUITABLE HERE.
6:43:46PM I DO NOT KNOW THESE PEOPLE.
6:43:48PM I'VE NEVER EVEN BEEN THERE.
6:43:52PM THIS ISN'T SOMETHING FOR ME.
6:43:53PM BY THE WAY, IF I HAD BEEN THERE AND BEEN THERE EVERY WEEK, I
6:43:56PM WOULD, GOD WILLING, FEEL THE SAME WAY AS I'M SURE ALL
6:44:00PM COUNCIL MEMBERS DO.
6:44:00PM AGAIN, FOR MYSELF, NO FAVORITISM WHATSOEVER, I HAVE NO
6:44:04PM PERSONAL CONNECTIONS.
6:44:06PM I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE CIGARS.
6:44:08PM I'M A CUBAN AMERICAN.
6:44:09PM I GUESS THAT MAKES ME A SELLOUT, WHATEVER.
6:44:12PM BUT I'M NOT A CIGAR GUY.
6:44:13PM THERE YOU GO.
6:44:14PM THANK YOU.
6:44:16PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: MY TURN?
6:44:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
6:44:18PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I DON'T MEAN IN THAT SENSE OF YOU BEING
6:44:21PM UNFAIR.
6:44:22PM IT'S ALMOST LIKE INTERNAL BIAS.
6:44:24PM OH, SHE'S TOO PRETTY TO GO TO JAIL.
6:44:26PM YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING?
6:44:28PM IT FALLS INTO THAT KIND OF CATEGORY.
6:44:31PM THEY ARE TOO GOOD, DO GREAT THINGS.
6:44:33PM I THINK IT'S HAMPERING SOME OF THE DECISION MAKING.
6:44:36PM WHEN YOU FIND -- WHEN YOU FINE SOMEONE, THERE IS A LEVEL OF
6:44:41PM WHAT YOU CALL PUNISHMENT.
6:44:43PM IT HAS TO BE SIGNIFICANT TO SOME DEGREE.
6:44:45PM TWO DAYS IS NOT IT.
6:44:47PM I GUARANTEE YOU, LET'S SAY HYPOTHETICALLY WE DID VOTE TWO
6:44:51PM DAYS.
6:44:52PM THIS BUSINESS CAN SURVIVE.
6:44:53PM THIS BUSINESS CAN SURVIVE IF WE DO TWO DAYS.
6:44:56PM THIS BUSINESS CAN SURVIVE IF WE DO 25 DAYS.
6:44:59PM IF THEY ARE CONSIDERED THE NUMBER ONE CIGAR COMPANY IN THE
6:45:03PM WORLD, IT PROVIDES -- IN THE UNITED STATES, PROVIDES THEM AN
6:45:07PM OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO GET THOSE THINGS
6:45:09PM RIGHT THAT WERE IN VIOLATION.
6:45:10PM IT GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET IT RIGHT.
6:45:13PM AND IT DOES PINCH A LITTLE BIT BUT THEY CAN BE CREATIVE.
6:45:16PM THEY CAN OPEN THEIR FOOD TRUCKS AND YOU CAN INVITE THE
6:45:19PM COMMUNITY.
6:45:20PM WE'LL COME OUT AND SUPPORT YOU JUST LIKE WE DID WITH THE
6:45:24PM COFFEE SHOP, KING STATE, WHEN THEIR ENTIRE STREET WAS
6:45:29PM BLOCKED OFF.
6:45:30PM THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY HERE.
6:45:31PM I'M NOT TRYING TO BE MEAN, BUT YOU DEFINITELY DESERVE TO BE
6:45:37PM IN A VERY NICE WAY, YOU DESERVE TO BE REPRIMANDED.
6:45:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:45:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN
6:45:44PM HENDERSON.
6:45:45PM WE DIDN'T ARGUE ABOUT THIS IN EAST TAMPA.
6:45:47PM WE JUST ASSUMED THEY DESERVED IT.
6:45:50PM AND THERE IS SOME PRIVILEGE THERE.
6:45:52PM I'M NOT GOING TO DISAGREE WITH HER.
6:45:54PM I STILL AGREE 30 DAYS, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT COUNCIL IS NOT
6:45:58PM FEELING THAT, WHICH IS WHY I WENT WITH SEVEN.
6:46:01PM I THOUGHT THAT WAS A PERFECTLY REASONABLE THING.
6:46:05PM I WOULD GO WITH WHAT MR. MIRANDA SAID EVERY TWO DAYS IF IT
6:46:09PM WERE WEEKENDS.
6:46:10PM BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO.
6:46:13PM THIS IS NOT A FIRST-TIME ISSUE.
6:46:16PM THIS ISN'T I WAS DOING IT FOR A MONTH.
6:46:19PM THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR TWO YEARS.
6:46:22PM THE REST OF COUNCIL DOESN'T SEEM TO BE AFFECTED BY THAT.
6:46:25PM AND IT JUST SEEMS, IT'S JUST SO WRONG THAT PEOPLE, THEY
6:46:30PM CLEARLY HAVE FLOUTED THE RULES AND YOU ALL ARE JUST LIKE
6:46:33PM ENH, TWO DAYS, CAN'T LET THEM GO OUT -- THEY ARE NOT GOING
6:46:37PM TO GO OUT OF BUSINESS.
6:46:40PM THEY SELL CIGARS.
6:46:41PM THEY SHIP.
6:46:42PM THEY CAN HAVE NONALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
6:46:44PM WE'RE NOT CLOSING THEM DOWN.
6:46:45PM WE'RE SIMPLY SAYING YOU CAN'T SELL ALCOHOL FOR A CERTAIN
6:46:49PM AMOUNT OF TIME.
6:46:49PM THAT'S ALL WE'RE SAYING.
6:46:52PM EXCUSE ME, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK.
6:46:54PM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
6:46:54PM OUT OF ORDER.
6:46:57PM CAN YOU REMOVE HIM?
6:47:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE, NO AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION.
6:47:03PM ENOUGH.
6:47:04PM GO AHEAD.
6:47:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, I'M SORRY, BUT I DON'T DESERVE TO BE
6:47:10PM TALKED BACK TO FROM A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.
6:47:12PM THEY NEED TO LEAVE.
6:47:13PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: AGREED.
6:47:16PM >> PRIVILEGE.
6:47:17PM PRIVILEGE.
6:47:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHO WAS SPEAKING IN THE AUDIENCE?
6:47:22PM JUST GO OUTSIDE.
6:47:24PM I'M SORRY.
6:47:24PM OKAY, MA'AM, CONTINUE.
6:47:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
6:47:31PM THIS IS PRIVILEGE, AND COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON IS RIGHT.
6:47:34PM I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR ANYTHING THAT'S LESS THAN A WEEK.
6:47:39PM I HONESTLY DON'T REALLY WANT TO DO LESS THAN 30 DAYS, BUT
6:47:42PM I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE A NO VOTE ON THIS.
6:47:44PM MAYBE I WILL.
6:47:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY.
6:47:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I RESPECT WHAT COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE SAYING.
6:47:54PM AGAIN, WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS YOU NEED TO TURN YOURSELF BACK
6:47:57PM TO THE CODE CRITERIA.
6:48:00PM YOU MAY HAVE DIFFERENT FINDINGS UNDER THE CODE CRITERIA THAN
6:48:04PM ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER MAY WHICH MAY SUPPORT YOUR DECISION,
6:48:07PM BUT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I DON'T SEE PRIVILEGE UNDER A, B,
6:48:13PM OR C WITH REGARD TO WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES FOR YOU TO WEIGH
6:48:18PM FOR A PENALTY.
6:48:19PM I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THAT INSTEAD OF FRAMING IT THAT WAY,
6:48:22PM WHICH MAY, IN FACT, BE ONE'S OPINION RELATIVE TO WHAT THE
6:48:27PM REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE ARE THAT YOU FOLLOW THAT.
6:48:32PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I THOUGHT THERE WAS A JUST DISCUSSION WE
6:48:35PM WERE HAVING.
6:48:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: EVERYTHING YOU SAY IS ON THE RECORD AND IS
6:48:38PM SUBJECT TO INTERPRETATION.
6:48:39PM THAT'S WHY I CAUTION YOU.
6:48:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
6:48:43PM CLENDENIN.
6:48:43PM WE HAVE A SECOND --
6:48:46PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PLEASE SAY THE MOTION IN ENTIRETY.
6:48:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
6:48:49PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
6:48:51PM PLEASE RESTATE YOUR MOTION.
6:48:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE MOTION WAS TO STRIKE 25 AND CHANGE IT
6:49:00PM TO 2 AND STRIKE THE STARTING DATE AND CHANGE IT TO FEBRUARY
6:49:05PM 12th.
6:49:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
6:49:07PM CLENDENIN, A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
6:49:10PM MR. SHELBY, I'M GOING TO TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE.
6:49:15PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THIS IS ON THE MOTION TO AMEND THE MAIN
6:49:17PM MOTION.
6:49:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
6:49:18PM MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE.
6:49:21PM >>THE CLERK: YES, SIR.
6:49:22PM CLENDENIN?
6:49:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES.
6:49:25PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: NO.
6:49:28PM >>LUIS VIERA: NO.
6:49:29PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
6:49:31PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
6:49:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO.
6:49:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
6:49:38PM >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION FAILED WITH HENDERSON, VIERA,
6:49:41PM MIRANDA, HURTAK, AND MANISCALCO VOTING NO.
6:49:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF WE CAN GO BACK TO WHAT THE MAIN MOTION
6:49:47PM IS.
6:49:47PM IT'S 25 DAYS BEGINNING ON -- WHAT DATE DID YOU SAY?
6:49:53PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: TOMORROW.
6:49:54PM I AM WILLING TO AMEND IT TO 20 DAYS.
6:49:58PM I'M WILLING TO AMEND IT TO 20 DAYS.
6:50:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: BEGINNING ON WHAT DATE?
6:50:04PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: BEGINNING TOMORROW.
6:50:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
6:50:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
6:50:09PM HENDERSON --
6:50:09PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S ANOTHER MOTION TO AMEND.
6:50:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: REDUCING IT TO 20 DAYS, IS THAT CORRECT,
6:50:14PM MA'AM?
6:50:15PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
6:50:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BEGINNING TOMORROW.
6:50:17PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
6:50:18PM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
6:50:20PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
6:50:22PM THERE IS A HUNT FOR VOTES, I'LL TELL YOU ALL WHAT I'M
6:50:25PM LOOKING FOR WHICH IS UP TO 7 BUT NOT THIS WEEKEND.
6:50:28PM THAT'S MY CRITERIA.
6:50:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE WAS A SECOND.
6:50:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE
6:50:37PM AMENDED MOTION -- YOU CAN AMEND TWICE.
6:50:46PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WITHOUT A VOTE?
6:50:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF HE HAS A SECOND, THAT'S ALL THAT
6:50:52PM MATTERS.
6:50:52PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU HAVE AMENDED AMENDED MOTIONS.
6:50:55PM SO WHAT THAT DOES IS BY MAKING A MOTION TO AMEND, YOU CAN
6:51:00PM ACTUALLY UNDO WHAT THE INITIAL AMENDMENT WAS EVEN THOUGH A
6:51:03PM MOTION AND SECOND AS SUBSIDIARY.
6:51:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET'S READ ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.
6:51:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AS LONG AS HE GETS A SECOND, WE CAN
6:51:14PM CONTINUE.
6:51:15PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER IS SUPPOSED TO
6:51:18PM DO IS SUPPOSED TO PROTECT THE PROCESS SO THAT IT ISN'T
6:51:24PM SHORTCUTTED.
6:51:25PM THAT'S WHY I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT ISN'T SHORTED.
6:51:28PM MOTION TO AMEND.
6:51:39PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT'S THROUGH FEBRUARY 14th.
6:51:41PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF THAT MOTION FAILS, YOU CAN STILL THEN
6:51:44PM MAKE YOUR MOTION TO AMEND.
6:51:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOT THE SAME ONE.
6:51:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I CAN'T DO THIS LIVE ON TELEVISION.
6:51:54PM IF YOU WANT TO TAKE FIVE MINUTES.
6:51:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD LEAVE IT TO THE DECISION OF THE
6:51:58PM CHAIR.
6:51:59PM CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE AMENDMENT?
6:52:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF YOU HAVE A SECOND, THEN WE WOULD TAKE
6:52:05PM A VOTE.
6:52:06PM WHAT IS YOUR MOTION?
6:52:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MY MOTION IS TO STRIKE THE 20 DAYS I
6:52:12PM BELIEVE YOU SAID AND INSERT 7 AND START THE STARTING DATE ON
6:52:16PM FEBRUARY 12th.
6:52:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
6:52:19PM CLENDENIN.
6:52:20PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
6:52:23PM LET'S TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE.
6:52:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES.
6:52:29PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: NO.
6:52:31PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
6:52:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
6:52:34PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
6:52:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO.
6:52:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
6:52:39PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIES WITH HENDERSON, HURTAK, AND
6:52:42PM MANISCALCO VOTING NO.
6:52:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOW WHAT IS THE MAIN MOTION?
6:52:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE MAIN MOTION WOULD BE WITH THE CHANGED
6:52:51PM DATE AND DURATION.
6:52:52PM WITH THE SAME FINDINGS OF FACTS.
6:52:54PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS THAT CORRECT?
6:52:55PM IT IS THE MAIN MOTION WITH THE SAME FINDINGS OF FACT AS
6:52:59PM AMENDED.
6:53:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AS AMENDED FOR THE STARTING DATE AND THE
6:53:02PM DURATION.
6:53:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FEBRUARY 12th, 7 DAYS.
6:53:06PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
6:53:07PM THAT CONCLUDES OUR HEARING --
6:53:09PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT DOESN'T.
6:53:10PM WAIT, STOP.
6:53:14PM >> IF YOU CAN RECEIVE AND FILE --
6:53:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
6:53:19PM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
6:53:21PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON TO RECEIVE AND FILE, ALL
6:53:24PM IN FAVOR?
6:53:25PM AYE.
6:53:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THERE IS STILL THE MAIN MOTION ON THE
6:53:29PM FLOOR.
6:53:29PM YOU DID THE MOTION TO AMEND.
6:53:30PM NOW IT IS THE FINAL MOTION.
6:53:36PM I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING.
6:53:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT SAYING YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE
6:53:42PM DOING.
6:53:42PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU VOTED TO AMEND IT.
6:53:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOW WE TAKE AN OFFICIAL VOTE.
6:53:47PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT THAT AMENDMENT DOES, IT AMENDS THE
6:53:49PM MAIN MOTION THAT CONTAINS THE FINDINGS OF FACT THAT ARE THE
6:53:53PM ULTIMATE DECISION OF THIS COUNCIL.
6:53:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
6:53:57PM CLENDENIN, FEBRUARY 12th STARTING DATE, 7 DAYS.
6:54:01PM DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
6:54:03PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
6:54:04PM LET'S TAKE A ROLL CALL, THIS IS THE FINAL VOTE.
6:54:08PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
6:54:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO.
6:54:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES.
6:54:12PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: NO.
6:54:13PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
6:54:15PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
6:54:16PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
6:54:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
6:54:19PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIES WITH HURTAK, HENDERSON, AND
6:54:22PM MANISCALCO VOTING NO.
6:54:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY, DOES THAT CONCLUDE OUR
6:54:26PM HEARING?
6:54:27PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:54:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MS. JOHNSON VELEZ.
6:54:32PM IT IS A QUESTION ABOUT THIS HEARING.
6:54:35PM HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY FOLLOWED?
6:54:44PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT
6:54:45PM STAFF WILL POST THE PROPERTY STARTING ON FEBRUARY 12th.
6:54:50PM AND GIVE THE DATES, THE DURATION OF THE SUSPENSION.
6:54:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THEY WILL POST IT ON --
6:54:55PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: YES, ON THE ESTABLISHMENT.
6:54:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
6:54:58PM MR. SHELBY, DOES THIS CONCLUDE OUR HEARING?
6:55:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I CERTAINLY HOPE SO.
6:55:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ME TOO.
6:55:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVEN'T EVEN GONE THROUGH HALF THE
6:55:06PM AGENDA.
6:55:07PM WE'LL DO A 15-MINUTE RECESS.
6:55:09PM THANK YOU.
6:55:09PM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
6:55:10PM [RECESS]
7:16:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
7:16:10PM WELCOME BACK TO OUR MORNING CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
7:16:12PM ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
7:16:16PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
7:16:18PM >> HURTAK?
7:16:19PM CLENDENIN?
7:16:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
7:16:21PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT.
7:16:22PM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
7:16:24PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
7:16:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
7:16:26PM >>THE CLERK: YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
7:16:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
7:16:28PM BEFORE WE GO INTO THE AGENDA, I HAVE SOME HOUSEKEEPING.
7:16:32PM THE HOUSEKEEPING BEGINS WITH ITEM NUMBER 49.
7:16:34PM THERE IS A REQUEST TO CONTINUE THIS TO FEBRUARY 15.
7:16:38PM IS THERE A MOTION TO CONTINUE 49 TO FEBRUARY 15?
7:16:42PM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
7:16:43PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
7:16:48PM ALL IN FAVOR?
7:16:50PM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN
7:16:53PM WAITING A LONG TIME TO SPEAK ON THIS.
7:16:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT IS A STAFF REPORT.
7:16:58PM YOU'RE FOR 49.
7:17:07PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: 49 IS A STAFF REPORT, MR. CHAIRMAN.
7:17:11PM WE DON'T OPEN IT UP FOR PEOPLE TO SPEAK DURING STAFF
7:17:16PM REPORTS.
7:17:17PM THAT'S COUNCIL'S POLICY, UNLESS YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT.
7:17:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM NUMBER 59, THERE IS A REQUEST TO
7:17:22PM CONTINUE THIS TO A FUTURE -- I'M SORRY, TO FEBRUARY 15 AS
7:17:26PM WELL.
7:17:26PM CAN I GET A MOTION TO CONTINUE 59?
7:17:28PM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
7:17:31PM SECOND FROM VIERA.
7:17:32PM THIS IS TO CONTINUE 59 TO FEBRUARY 15.
7:17:35PM ALL IN FAVOR?
7:17:36PM AYE.
7:17:37PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
7:17:39PM WE'LL KICK IT OFF --
7:17:41PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD STILL LIKE TO MOVE 46.
7:17:46PM IF WE CAN CONTINUE 46 TO FEBRUARY 15th.
7:17:50PM WE'VE HAD THREE -- IT'S MY DISTRICT.
7:17:52PM WE HAVE THREE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AT LEAST THAT HAVE
7:17:55PM ASKED US AT LEAST 50 PEOPLE TO MOVE THIS, NOT 45.
7:17:59PM 46.
7:18:00PM I WOULD JUST ASK THAT WE CONTINUE THIS FOR TWO WEEKS SO VIK
7:18:05PM AND HIS STAFF CAN TALK TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
7:18:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON HAS A MOTION.
7:18:12PM IS THERE A SECOND FOR DISCUSSION?
7:18:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
7:18:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FOR DISCUSSION.
7:18:17PM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
7:18:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: EARLIER IN THE DAY, I THINK IT WAS MAYBE
7:18:22PM ABOUT 72 HOURS AGO WHEN WE FIRST DISCUSSED THIS.
7:18:27PM WE WANTED TO HAVE VIK COME BACK IN, CORRECT?
7:18:29PM SO VIK IS HERE.
7:18:33PM I THINK WE SHOULD HEAR FROM VIK, AND THEN DEPENDING ON WHAT
7:18:38PM HE SAYS, I THINK I WOULD BE WILLING TO SUPPORT THAT MOTION.
7:18:41PM JUST IN CASE SOMETHING MORE URGENT THAT WE NEED TO HEAR FROM
7:18:45PM HIM.
7:18:49PM >>BILL CARLSON: SURE.
7:18:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'LL HOLD OFF --
7:18:52PM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN WE DO IT NOW?
7:18:53PM THE ARGUMENT IS, DO WE NEED TO HEAR IT TONIGHT?
7:18:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN WE MOVE THIS UP IN THE AGENDA UNTIL
7:19:00PM NOW?
7:19:01PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE FOR TWO WEEKS.
7:19:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN'T WE HEAR HIM FIRST?
7:19:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THERE ANY ISSUE IF WE CONTINUE THIS
7:19:08PM FOR TWO WEEKS, MR. BHIDE?
7:19:13PM >>VIK BHIDE: -- BY WHICH WE NEED TO ACCEPT THE GRANT AND
7:19:16PM PROCESS THE AGREEMENT.
7:19:17PM 60 DAYS, WE'RE COMING CLOSE UP TO THAT 60 DAY MARK.
7:19:21PM THAT'S TYPICAL WITH STATE GRANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
7:19:24PM >>BILL CARLSON: THAT'S 45.
7:19:26PM I'M NOT SUGGESTING NOT ACCEPTING 45.
7:19:29PM 46 IS MOVING IT INTO A DIFFERENT ACCOUNT.
7:19:31PM 45 I'M OKAY.
7:19:33PM ASSUMING THAT HE'LL LET US CONTINUE 46, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION
7:19:39PM TO ACCEPT 45.
7:19:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANY ISSUE WITH CONTINUING 46?
7:19:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TO FEBRUARY 15.
7:19:45PM >>VIK BHIDE: VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY.
7:19:47PM IDEALLY BOTH SHOULD GO TOGETHER.
7:19:49PM MORE IMPORTANTLY, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE POINT MADE
7:19:54PM ABOUT BOTH TRANSPARENCY AS WELL AS ENGAGEMENT BECAUSE WE
7:19:57PM FEEL LIKE WE'VE GONE OVER AND ABOVE WHEN IT COMES TO
7:20:01PM ENGAGEMENT.
7:20:02PM I'M HAPPY TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES AND SHARE WHAT WE HAVE DONE
7:20:05PM BECAUSE IT IS TRULY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE
7:20:08PM PAST AND IT IS OVER AND ABOVE.
7:20:12PM >>BILL CARLSON: WE'VE HAD THREE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS IN
7:20:14PM THE HEART OF SOUTH TAMPA.
7:20:17PM STEVE MICHELINI JUST LEFT.
7:20:19PM HE IS THE HEAD OF THE SOUTH HOWARD BUSINESS ALLIANCE.
7:20:22PM HE LEFT -- THE LAST THING HE SAID TO ME WAS THAT THIS WOULD
7:20:26PM BE CONTINUED TO FEBRUARY 15.
7:20:27PM I SAID ARE YOU SURE?
7:20:28PM DON'T YOU WANT TO STAY.
7:20:31PM HE SAID NO.
7:20:31PM THE BUSINESS ALLIANCE AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE CONNECTED IN
7:20:34PM AGREEMENT THAT THIS SHOULD BE DELAYED.
7:20:36PM WE'RE ONLY ASKING FOR TWO WEEKS.
7:20:39PM IT'S ONLY SO THAT THIS MONEY CAN'T BE SPENT IMMEDIATELY
7:20:45PM UNTIL THE CONCERN, THE BASIC CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS
7:20:48PM AND THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN MET.
7:20:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT WAS 49 THAT WAS GOING TO BE
7:20:52PM CONTINUED.
7:20:53PM ARE YOU SURE IT IS THE SAME ONE?
7:20:55PM >>BILL CARLSON: 46.
7:20:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MICHELINI WAS CLEAR ON 46?
7:21:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HE REPRESENTS THE SOUTH HOWARD GROUP.
7:21:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
7:21:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, TWO WEEKS BRINGS
7:21:08PM YOU TO --
7:21:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FEBRUARY 15 IS THE NEXT REGULAR COUNCIL
7:21:12PM MEETING.
7:21:13PM IT'S MORE THAN TWO WEEKS.
7:21:14PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT'S THREE WEEKS.
7:21:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT'S LIKE 20 DAYS AND CHANGE.
7:21:19PM NEXT WEEK IS A REGULAR MEETING.
7:21:23PM IN TWO WEEKS IS FEBRUARY 8th AND THAT IS THE CRA.
7:21:27PM >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T THINK THEY CAN DO IT IN A WEEK.
7:21:30PM VIK JUST SAID THAT THE THING THAT IS URGENT IS WE NEED TO
7:21:35PM ACCEPT THE GRANT.
7:21:36PM I NEVER PROPOSED NOT ACCEPTING 45.
7:21:38PM BUT 46, ALL IT DOES IS HELPS THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE
7:21:42PM BUSINESS COMMUNITY MEET WITH THEM TO ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS.
7:21:47PM IF WE DELAY IT UNTIL FEBRUARY 15, THEY HAVE THE MEETING.
7:21:50PM THEY COME BACK AND HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY WILL SAY LET'S MOVE
7:21:52PM FORWARD.
7:21:53PM NOBODY IS AGAINST THE PROJECT.
7:21:54PM THEY ARE JUST CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THE PROJECT IS GOING TO BE
7:21:56PM CONDUCTED AND THEY NEED THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
7:21:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HE MAKES SENSE.
7:22:01PM WE'RE ACCEPTING THE MONEY WITH 45.
7:22:03PM THE QUESTION WITH 46 IS WHERE DO WE ALLOCATE IT?
7:22:06PM NOT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, HE WANTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO
7:22:09PM HAVE CLARITY BEFORE WE SAY, OKAY --
7:22:13PM >>VIK BHIDE: THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ADDRESS, CHAIR IS,
7:22:16PM ONE, WE HAVE MET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH AS MUCH
7:22:19PM INFORMATION AS WE HAVE AVAILABLE TODAY.
7:22:23PM IN FACT, THANK YOU TO THE COUNCILMAN THAT ORGANIZED THIS
7:22:27PM MEETING WITH THE THREE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT YOU HEARD FROM,
7:22:29PM TWO OF THE PEOPLE YOU HEARD FROM TODAY WERE AT THAT MEETING.
7:22:33PM AND THE INFORMATION WE SHARED WITH THEM THEN HAS NOT CHANGED
7:22:36PM SINCE MAINLY BECAUSE WE STILL HAVEN'T AWARDED -- WE'VE
7:22:41PM AWARDED THE CONTRACT, NOT COMPLETED NEGOTIATIONS AND A BULK
7:22:46PM OF THE ENGAGEMENT SINCE HAS BEEN ALONG THE ALIGNMENT.
7:22:51PM WE'VE HAD ABOUT 15 DIFFERENT MEETINGS.
7:22:53PM ONE WITH THE BUSINESS ALLIANCE.
7:22:54PM WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE COMING UP NEXT MONTH, WHICH IS AFTER THE
7:22:58PM DATE OF THE CONTINUANCE.
7:23:00PM AND I JUST WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THAT WE'VE HAD ONE-ON-ONE
7:23:05PM BRIEFINGS WITH COUNCIL, MAYOR CASTOR SENT A LETTER OUT TO
7:23:09PM KEY STAKEHOLDERS WITHIN THE AREA.
7:23:12PM WE STARTED OUR ENGAGEMENT WITH NEIGHBORHOODS STARTING WITH
7:23:15PM HISTORIC HYDE PARK, HYDE PARK PRESERVATION, PARKLAND
7:23:19PM ESTATES, NEW SUBURB BEAUTIFUL, ORGANIZED BY THE COUNCILMAN.
7:23:25PM AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.
7:23:26PM ON OCTOBER 24, WE MET WITH THE SOUTH HOWARD BUSINESS
7:23:29PM ALLIANCE, THE SOHO BUSINESS ALLIANCE.
7:23:32PM ALL OF THIS BEFORE WE EVEN ISSUED AN RFQ.
7:23:36PM WE MADE A CITY COUNCIL PRESENTATION ON THIS PROJECT NOVEMBER
7:23:40PM 30th OF LAST YEAR AND FOR A FULL YEAR THIS PROJECT HAS
7:23:44PM BEEN ON THE BOOKS.
7:23:46PM I ONLY EMPHASIZE THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND
7:23:50PM WITH ENGAGEMENT AND BEING TRANSPARENT WITH THE PROJECT.
7:23:54PM IF THAT IS IN QUESTION, THEN I THINK WE'VE DONE MORE THAN A
7:23:58PM SUFFICIENT JOB TO MOVE THE ITEMS IN FRONT OF US.
7:24:02PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE ONLY THING THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING FOR
7:24:05PM IS TO DELAY IT UNTIL FEBRUARY 15.
7:24:07PM THAT'S IT.
7:24:08PM THAT WILL GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.
7:24:10PM OBVIOUSLY FROM ALL THE E-MAILS WE'VE GOTTEN, THERE ARE
7:24:12PM PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT AND THEY WANT A
7:24:15PM BASIC BRIEFING AND WITHIN TWO, THREE WEEKS THEY CAN ANSWER
7:24:19PM THOSE QUESTIONS AND EVERYBODY WILL COME TOGETHER AND
7:24:21PM HOPEFULLY SAY PLEASE PROCEED.
7:24:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I THINK IT'S A FAIR PROPOSITION.
7:24:26PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND THEN COUNCILMAN VIERA.
7:24:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MAYBE I'M WRONG.
7:24:29PM AM I HEARING YOU SAY YOU DON'T HAVE ANY DETAILS?
7:24:32PM >>VIK BHIDE: AS OF RIGHT NOW IN OUR CONTRACT AS AWARDED, IT
7:24:39PM HAS A COMMUNICATIONS PLAN, AND THAT REQUIRES THE DESIGN
7:24:42PM BUILDER TO CONDUCT SIGNIFICANT OUTREACH.
7:24:46PM WE'VE ALSO CONDUCTED A LOT OF OUTREACH BEFORE AWARDING THE
7:24:50PM CONTRACT SO THAT WE STRUCTURE THE CONTRACT WITH INITIAL
7:24:55PM INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY.
7:24:57PM I'VE HAD ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS WITH FOLKS FROM THE AREA.
7:25:01PM WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE PARKLAND ESTATES NEIGHBORHOOD
7:25:03PM FOR MANY YEARS.
7:25:05PM SO THIS IS CERTAINLY COUNCIL'S PLEASURE IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU
7:25:08PM WANT TO DO WITH THE ITEM, BUT IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T
7:25:13PM GONE OVER AND ABOVE IN OUR EFFORTS TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY
7:25:18PM AND SHARE AS MANY DETAILS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TODAY.
7:25:21PM BUT THIS IS A DESIGN-BUILD CONTRACT.
7:25:23PM LET ME ASSURE THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS COUNCIL WE ARE
7:25:26PM COMMITTED TO ADDRESSING ALL CONCERNS, BE IT LANDSCAPING ON
7:25:32PM THE STREET, BE THEY BUSINESS ACCESS, BE THEY WHY WE SELECTED
7:25:39PM THE PROJECT THAT WE DID AND THE ALIGNMENT THAT WE DID.
7:25:42PM WE'RE PREPARED FOR THIS BOTH WITH THE BUDGET AS WELL AS WITH
7:25:47PM THE TEAM THAT WE'VE SELECTED.
7:25:48PM I JUST DON'T WANT THERE TO BE A MISUNDERSTANDING WITHIN
7:25:53PM COUNCIL THAT WE WERE EITHER NOT TRANSPARENT OR WE HAVEN'T
7:25:56PM GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND ON TRYING TO COMMUNICATE THIS.
7:26:01PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHY IS WHY -- MY DAY JOB BEFORE COUNCIL WAS
7:26:06PM PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
7:26:06PM THE FIRM RUNNING IT IS THE ONE I GET NO COMPLAINTS FROM AND
7:26:10PM THE PR FIRM WORKING ON IT IS GREAT.
7:26:13PM BUT WE NEED A COUPLE OF WEEKS BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY, YOU SAW
7:26:18PM THE E-MAILS, THE COMMUNITY IS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.
7:26:21PM THERE'S NO HARM IN HOLDING THIS PART.
7:26:25PM THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD ON THE RFP AND EVERYTHING.
7:26:28PM THERE WILL BE A FORMAL ENGAGEMENT PROCESS.
7:26:30PM BUT ONE OF THE THINGS IN PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IS YOU HAVE TO,
7:26:33PM YOU SOMETIMES HAVE TO START BEFORE YOUR OFFICIAL PUBLIC
7:26:35PM ENGAGEMENT PROCESS STARTS.
7:26:37PM AND THEY DID HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT CONSULTANT, AND
7:26:40PM THERE WERE SOME MEETINGS.
7:26:41PM ONE OF THEM AS HE SAID I BROUGHT TOGETHER PERSONALLY ALL THE
7:26:44PM NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS IN OCTOBER AND I BROUGHT BREAKFAST
7:26:47PM PERSONALLY TO BRING THEM ALL TOGETHER.
7:26:49PM BUT THERE ARE CONCERNS BEYOND THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN MET
7:26:51PM WITH SO FAR AND WE JUST NEED TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THEM THE
7:26:56PM BASIC OUTLINES AND MAPS AND THINGS.
7:26:58PM HAPPY TO GO WITH YOU, VIK, TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN ANSWER THE
7:27:00PM QUESTION IF YOU WANT ME TO.
7:27:02PM WE NEED TO BUY A LITTLE BIT OF TIME SO WE CAN ALLAY THEIR
7:27:05PM FEARS BEFORE WE START.
7:27:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA AND CLENDENIN.
7:27:08PM >>LUIS VIERA: QUESTION FOR MR. BHIDE.
7:27:10PM DOES THIS FEBRUARY 15, IF WE APPROVE 45 BUT DON'T DO 46 AND
7:27:14PM MOVE TO FEBRUARY 15, DOES THAT IN ANY WAY JEOPARDIZE THE 60
7:27:18PM DAYS?
7:27:19PM >>VIK BHIDE: NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
7:27:21PM IT JEOPARDIZES THE 60 DAYS.
7:27:23PM WE'LL HAVE TO ASK FOR AN EXTENSION WHICH IS NOT UNUSUAL.
7:27:26PM I'M NOT AWARE OF THE GRANT BEING IN JEOPARDY.
7:27:30PM BUT WHAT IT DOES DO IS IT CREATES A LITTLE BIT OF DOUBT
7:27:34PM BECAUSE WE WON THIS GRANT THROUGH THE RESILIENT FLORIDA
7:27:39PM PROGRAM.
7:27:40PM OUR TEAM WORKED HARD IN DEMONSTRATING THAT THIS PROJECT
7:27:43PM ABOVE MANY OTHER COMPETING PROJECTS WITHIN THE STATE DESERVE
7:27:47PM $10 MILLION.
7:27:48PM OUR TEAM IS RIGHT NOW REVIEWING AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT FOR
7:27:53PM THEA TO CONTRIBUTE ANOTHER $11 MILLION TO THIS PROJECT.
7:27:57PM WE'RE ADDING SIGNIFICANT VALUE TO THIS COMMUNITY AND I'M
7:28:01PM HAPPY TO SPEAK TO THE PROJECT ITSELF BUT WE'VE MADE
7:28:05PM ONE-ON-ONE PRESENTATIONS TO YOU, BUT IF IT'S FOR THE
7:28:08PM PUBLIC'S BENEFIT, I'LL WALK THROUGH THE PROJECT AND WHAT IT
7:28:12PM DOES FOR THIS AREA NOW AND IN THE FUTURE.
7:28:14PM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, BECAUSE I KNOW
7:28:18PM WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AND THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE,
7:28:21PM WOULD ONE WEEK -- HERE IS A COMPROMISE I'M SUGGESTING, WHICH
7:28:24PM IS WE DO ONE WEEK AND IF COUNCILMAN CARLSON IS THE DISTRICT
7:28:29PM COUNCIL PERSON FOR THAT AREA IS UNSATISFIED WITH THAT, WE
7:28:33PM CAN MOVE FORWARD FOR ADDITIONAL TIME AND WOULD ONE WEEK --
7:28:40PM LATE DAY.
7:28:40PM I'M SORRY.
7:28:41PM WHEN YOU SAID IT'S KIND OF UNCLEAR IF IT WILL JEOPARDIZE IT.
7:28:46PM I SAW SOME HESITATION IN THERE.
7:28:49PM I WANT A CLEAR YES OUT OF THAT AND THAT'S WHY MAYBE ONE
7:28:52PM WEEK.
7:28:53PM I'M LOOKING FOR A COMPROMISE SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND NOT
7:28:56PM JEOPARDIZE ANYTHING BUT GIVE THE COUNCILMAN FOR HIS DISTRICT
7:29:00PM TIME TO CLARIFY SOME ISSUES FROM HIS CONSTITUENTS.
7:29:03PM I SEE ONE OF THEM HERE, A COUPLE HERE YOU CAN MEET.
7:29:08PM ONE WEEK, WE COULD MAKE THAT TWO WEEKS OR THREE WEEKS I
7:29:11PM GUESS IT WOULD BE.
7:29:12PM >>VIK BHIDE: AND THAT'S NOT UNREASONABLE.
7:29:14PM I WILL JUST CHECK WITH DENNIS IF THAT WORKS OR NOT.
7:29:17PM >>BILL CARLSON: A WEEK WON'T BE ENOUGH TIME FOR YOU TO MEET
7:29:21PM WITH FOLKS.
7:29:21PM YOU NEED AT LEAST TWO WEEKS.
7:29:23PM >>VIK BHIDE: WE ALREADY REACHED OUT TO ALL FOUR
7:29:26PM NEIGHBORHOODS.
7:29:27PM THE BEST INFORMATION WE CAN SHARE RIGHT NOW IS WHAT WE
7:29:30PM SHARED WITH THEM IN OUR MEETING IN OCTOBER, WHICH IS HERE IS
7:29:33PM WHY WE'RE DOING THE PROJECT.
7:29:36PM HERE ARE THE BENEFITS.
7:29:37PM HERE ARE THE IMPACTS.
7:29:39PM WE ARE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
7:29:40PM WE'RE GOING TO PROCURE A DESIGN-BUILD CONTRACTOR, WHICH IS
7:29:44PM WHERE WE ARE.
7:29:45PM THE NEXT PART OF THE ENGAGEMENT IN TERMS OF UNDERSTANDING
7:29:48PM FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE IS ON THE DESIGN BUILDER.
7:29:52PM SO, YES, I'VE REACHED OUT TO PAT CIMINO.
7:29:56PM MS. MYER AND THOSE, HER AND I MET AT PANERA BREAD TO DISCUSS
7:30:01PM THIS PROJECT AS WELL.
7:30:02PM IT'S NOT THAT WE HAVEN'T SPOKEN ABOUT IT.
7:30:04PM AT THIS POINT, ALL WE CAN DO IS REASSURE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT
7:30:08PM WE WILL CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON THEIR NEEDS, WHICH IS HOW THIS
7:30:13PM PROJECT BEGAN TO BEGIN WITH.
7:30:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
7:30:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AGAIN, WITHOUT HEARING A COMPELLING
7:30:21PM REASON, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM YOU THAT THE FEBRUARY
7:30:24PM 15th WOULD BE A DEAL KILLER AND I KNOW YOU WANT IT
7:30:29PM TONIGHT.
7:30:30PM THIS IS COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S DISTRICT.
7:30:32PM AND I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T
7:30:35PM UNDERSTAND DESIGN-BUILD AS OPPOSED TO SOME OF THE OTHER
7:30:37PM PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE.
7:30:38PM SO I THINK MAYBE HAVING THREE WEEKS, A LITTLE BIT MORE
7:30:42PM EDUCATION, A LITTLE BIT MORE OUTREACH, EXPLAINING
7:30:45PM DESIGN-BUILD AND THEN HEARING.
7:30:47PM I KNOW WE'VE HEARD IT.
7:30:49PM I AGREE WITH YOU.
7:30:50PM I'VE BEEN ALONG THE PATH.
7:30:51PM I KNOW THE MEETINGS COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAS HAD, ARRANGED.
7:30:55PM I KNOW THE DISCUSSIONS I'VE HAD AND BEEN A PART OF ON THIS
7:30:58PM PROJECT.
7:30:58PM WITHOUT HEARING IT, I WOULD SAY -- I WOULD MOVE TO CONTINUE
7:31:04PM -- MOVE TO ADOPT ITEM 45 AND MOVE TO CONTINUE 46 TO FEBRUARY
7:31:08PM 15.
7:31:09PM >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND.
7:31:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
7:31:11PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
7:31:13PM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
7:31:17PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
7:31:18PM AGAIN, I WOULD BE MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE WITH ONE WEEK AND
7:31:21PM SEEING IF IT NEEDS TO BE TWO TO THREE WEEKS.
7:31:23PM AGAIN, AS A COURTESY TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER FROM THE
7:31:26PM DISTRICT, I WILL VOTE FOR THIS.
7:31:27PM BUT I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH ONE WEEK BECAUSE WITH
7:31:30PM ONE WEEK WE CAN STILL GET THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS TO QUOTE
7:31:33PM VAN HALEN.
7:31:34PM THANK YOU.
7:31:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
7:31:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
7:31:38PM FROM WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING AND SINCE THIS IS A DESIGN-BUILD
7:31:41PM AND IN THE E-MAILS I'VE READ, THERE ARE A LOT OF VERY
7:31:44PM SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
7:31:45PM AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE THERE YET.
7:31:47PM SO I THINK THAT ALSO NEEDS TO BE.
7:31:50PM MAYBE IT IS A GOOD TIME TO GET QUESTIONS AND THEN YOU CAN
7:31:54PM RELAY THEM TO THE TEAM ONCE THEY HAVE GOTTEN STARTED.
7:31:58PM BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT FROM MY
7:32:00PM UNDERSTANDING WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO YET.
7:32:05PM >>VIK BHIDE: CORRECT.
7:32:06PM THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANSWERS TO.
7:32:08PM THERE IS SOME QUESTIONS WE CAN ANSWER THE BEST WE CAN RIGHT
7:32:11PM NOW.
7:32:11PM BUT EVEN WITHIN TWO WEEKS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO TOUCH BASE WITH
7:32:16PM THE NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT SCHEDULING MEETINGS WITH A LARGE
7:32:19PM GROUP OF PEOPLE WILL TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN THAT.
7:32:22PM IF THAT WORKS WITH EVERYONE, WE WILL REACH OUT AND WE'LL
7:32:26PM SCHEDULE THESE MEETINGS.
7:32:28PM IN FACT, LIKE I MENTIONED, WE'VE ALREADY REACHED OUT AND
7:32:31PM STARTED ON THESE ARRANGEMENTS.
7:32:32PM AND WE UNDERSTAND THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS OUT THERE AS
7:32:35PM WELL.
7:32:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION?
7:32:38PM AYE.
7:32:39PM ANY OPPOSED?
7:32:39PM 45 AND 46 TAKEN CARE OF FOR TONIGHT, MEANING THE CONTINUANCE
7:32:44PM AND EVERYTHING.
7:32:45PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
7:32:47PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: 45 IS ADOPTED AND 46 --
7:32:50PM >> CONTINUED.
7:32:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: EXACTLY.
7:32:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING LATE.
7:32:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE DIDN'T START ANYTHING.
7:32:57PM 45 WAS ADOPTED.
7:33:05PM 46 WAS CONTINUED.
7:33:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 44?
7:33:12PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SHE'S GOING TO CHECK.
7:33:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE TO GO BACK TO NUMBER 5.
7:33:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: HE MADE A MOTION TO ADOPT 45 AND CONTINUE
7:33:21PM 46.
7:33:29PM >>BILL CARLSON: I STARTED A MOTION BUT THEN CLENDENIN MADE A
7:33:31PM NEW MOTION WHICH WAS TO ACCEPT 45 AND THEN CONTINUE 46 TO
7:33:35PM FEBRUARY 15 AND THAT PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
7:33:38PM I SCRAPPED MY MOTION.
7:33:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK YOU WANTED TO MOVE
7:33:45PM ITEM 44.
7:33:46PM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
7:33:48PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
7:33:49PM ALL IN FAVOR?
7:33:49PM AYE.
7:33:50PM WE HAVE A HEARING -- A FIRST READING.
7:33:54PM MR. RON VILA, THE MOST PATIENT, THE MOST PATIENT MAN.
7:34:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK WE SAW HIM 72 HOURS AGO, RIGHT?
7:34:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
7:34:05PM ITEM NUMBER 5.
7:34:06PM THE PRESENTATION WAS COMING UP.
7:34:08PM IF YOU WANT TO KICK IT OFF.
7:34:10PM >> YEAH, I WOULD LIKE FOR THE T & I TO PULL IT UP WHILE I GO
7:34:15PM THROUGH THIS.
7:34:16PM RON VILA, PLANNER FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION, AND I WILL BE
7:34:20PM BRIEF.
7:34:21PM THIS IS FOR AN AD VALOREM TAX EXEMPTION FOR THE ADDRESS OF
7:34:28PM 1208 NORTH HOWARD AVENUE.
7:34:31PM NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
7:34:33PM THE BACKGROUND AND BENEFITS OF THIS PROGRAM IS THAT IT HAS A
7:34:41PM POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE AREA.
7:34:44PM IT STIMULATES REVITALIZATION OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND
7:34:47PM EASES THE BURDENS OF THE MAINTENANCE ON THE PROPERTIES.
7:34:53PM THIS PROPERTY IS ELIGIBLE.
7:34:54PM IT DATES BACK TO 1906 IN THE INFANCY OF WEST TAMPA, AND THIS
7:34:59PM WAS REVIEWED BY THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION.
7:35:03PM NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
7:35:04PM SO ON THE LEFT I HAD THE 1915 SANBORN MAP.
7:35:10PM THIS IS TO SHOW THE EARLY DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS.
7:35:14PM YOU HAVE A CIGAR FACTORY ON THE CORNER OF NASSAU AND HOWARD.
7:35:19PM THEN THE YELLOW ILLUSTRATIONS ARE THE FRAMED SINGLE-FAMILY
7:35:25PM STRUCTURES THAT SUPPORTED THE FACTORY AND TO CREATE A
7:35:29PM QUALITY OF LIFE, YOU HAVE THE STORES.
7:35:31PM IN THE RED BOX IS THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION.
7:35:35PM IN 1915, IT WAS A STORE AND CURRENTLY IT'S GOING THROUGH AN
7:35:38PM ADAPTIVE REUSE.
7:35:40PM THE AIA HEADQUARTERS.
7:35:42PM I'LL SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES.
7:35:44PM ON THE RIGHT, YOU SEE AN AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY ON THE
7:35:47PM CORNER OF NASSAU AND HOWARD.
7:35:51PM CIGAR FACTORY I SPOKE ABOUT AND THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE
7:35:53PM GOING TO REVIEW IS JUST TO THE NORTH OF THAT.
7:35:57PM NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
7:35:58PM THIS IS A BEFORE AND AFTER.
7:36:01PM THIS SHOWS THE BENEFIT OF THE AD VALOREM PROGRAM.
7:36:04PM ON THE LEFT YOU SEE HOW THE BUILDING DOESN'T ENGAGE INTO THE
7:36:09PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
7:36:10PM AT THE TIME, THE BUILDING HAD SOME CHALLENGES WITH THE
7:36:13PM ENVIRONMENT.
7:36:13PM IT SHUT DOWN FROM THE PEDESTRIAN AND URBAN CORE THERE ON
7:36:18PM HOWARD AVENUE, AND THEN ON THE RIGHT YOU SEE THE
7:36:22PM INTRODUCTION OF THE GLAZING, THE MAN DOOR OFF THE SIDEWALK
7:36:26PM AND THEN THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE PRIMARY FACADE.
7:36:34PM NEXT ILLUSTRATION.
7:36:38PM SO THIS IS THE ALLEY ELEVATION.
7:36:42PM HOWARD IS A ONE-WAY STREET.
7:36:44PM THIS IS VERY VISIBLE ELEVATION.
7:36:46PM THE ALLEY IS A BRICK ALLEY.
7:36:49PM IT IS NOT COMPLETELY REFORMED AT THIS TIME.
7:36:51PM THERE IS A CIGAR FACTORY THAT IS A LOCAL LANDMARK JUST TO
7:36:55PM THE SOUTH OF THIS ALLEY THAT THEY SHARE AND IT'S GOING
7:36:58PM THROUGH RENOVATIONS.
7:36:59PM ONCE THAT BUILDING COMES TO THE POINT THEY ARE GOING TO
7:37:02PM SHARE THE COST OF REDOING THE ALLEY AND BRINGING THAT ALLEY
7:37:05PM UP TO TRANSPORTATION STANDARDS.
7:37:07PM BUT ON THIS IMAGE HERE, YOU ALSO SEE A PEDESTRIAN ENTRANCE
7:37:11PM HERE.
7:37:12PM SO IT'S OPENING UP TO THE ENVIRONMENT AND TO THE RESIDENTIAL
7:37:17PM COMMUNITY THAT IT ABUTS.
7:37:18PM NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
7:37:20PM THIS IS THE REAR ELEVATION.
7:37:25PM ON THE LEFT OBVIOUSLY THIS IS BEFORE.
7:37:27PM TO THE RIGHT THIS IS THE PARKING AREA.
7:37:31PM THEY HAVE A LITTLE COURTYARD FOR THE EMPLOYEES TO COME OUT
7:37:33PM ON NICE DAYS, AND THIS WILL BE THE EMPLOYEE ENTRANCE THAT'S
7:37:37PM PROBABLY MOSTLY USED.
7:37:38PM CONTINUE WITH THE NEXT SLIDE.
7:37:42PM MOVING TO THE INTERIOR, THERE WERE VERY FEW CHARACTER
7:37:47PM DEFINING FEATURES OF THE BUILDING WHEN IT WENT THROUGH THE
7:37:51PM INITIAL RECONSTRUCTION, BUT SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE
7:37:54PM THERE WAS THE BASE BOARDS OF THE TILE MATERIAL PALETTE AND
7:38:00PM THEN THE TERRAZZO FLOORS THAT WERE POLISHED TO A HIGH SHINE.
7:38:05PM NEXT SLIDE.
7:38:06PM MOVING FROM THE FLOORS TO THE CEILING, THE PRESSED TIN
7:38:12PM CEILINGS ARE VERY PERIOD APPROPRIATE FOR BUILDINGS OF THE
7:38:14PM EARLY 1900s.
7:38:16PM ON THE LEFT, THE CEILING WAS COMPROMISED.
7:38:19PM YOU SEE SOME OF THE DUCTWORK THAT WAS THERE.
7:38:22PM THAT WAS ON THE RIGHT REMOVED.
7:38:25PM WHAT WAS DAMAGED ON THE PRESSED CEILING TILES HAVE BEEN
7:38:30PM RECONSTRUCTED AND YOU SEE THE IMAGES NOW.
7:38:33PM NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
7:38:35PM SOME OF THE ARTIFACTS THAT WERE THERE WERE REINCORPORATED
7:38:40PM INTO THE ADAPTIVE REUSE, SOME OF THE WOOD THAT WAS THERE WAS
7:38:45PM REINSTALLED INTO THE DOORS THAT ARE SHOWN HERE AND THEN THE
7:38:50PM DOOR ON THE RIGHT IS OBVIOUSLY A NEW DOOR BUT IT DOES HAVE
7:38:53PM THE CASING AROUND IT TO SHOW THAT THERE WAS A TRANSOM ABOVE.
7:38:56PM NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
7:38:58PM THIS IS THE RECOMMENDATION.
7:39:03PM THE ARC REVIEWED THIS ON NOVEMBER 6, 2023 AND APPROVED THE
7:39:07PM APPLICATION AND MET THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR
7:39:11PM REHABILITATION.
7:39:13PM MOVING FORWARD, THE STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDED TO CITY COUNCIL
7:39:16PM TO APPROVE THE HISTORIC PROPERTY AD VALOREM TAX EXEMPTION
7:39:19PM FOR THE PROPERTY AT 1208 NORTH HOWARD BASED ON THE MEETING
7:39:24PM THE CRITERIA IN THE ORDINANCE AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR
7:39:27PM STANDARDS.
7:39:28PM LAST SLIDE, PLEASE.
7:39:29PM I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
7:39:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT
7:39:34PM PRESENTATION AND FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
7:39:35PM THEY DID A WONDERFUL JOB RESTORING THIS BECAUSE I THINK
7:39:39PM WE'VE ALL DRIVEN BY.
7:39:41PM COMING UP HOWARD AVENUE AND IT'S COMPLETELY TRANSFORMATIVE.
7:39:46PM WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE CIGAR FACTORY RIGHT NEARBY AND A
7:39:49PM LOT OF GREAT CHANGES.
7:39:51PM THE INTERSTATE DID A LOT OF DAMAGE IN THAT COMMUNITY,
7:39:57PM SPLITTING IT IN HALF, BUT LITTLE BY LITTLE, IT'S COMING
7:40:02PM BACK.
7:40:02PM THE IMPORTANT PART IS THEY ARE PRESERVING OUR HISTORY
7:40:04PM BECAUSE IT IS A LOT OF BUILDINGS BEING REPURPOSED.
7:40:08PM THIS IS THE AIA HAS THEIR OFFICES THERE AND THEY LIVE UP TO
7:40:13PM THEIR CREED AND THEY DID A REALLY, REALLY GOOD JOB.
7:40:16PM DO WE TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS?
7:40:19PM ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 5?
7:40:22PM NO.
7:40:24PM IS THERE ANY QUESTION OR COMMENT FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS?
7:40:26PM CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE.
7:40:28PM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
7:40:31PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
7:40:32PM ALL IN FAVOR?
7:40:33PM AYE.
7:40:34PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ THIS.
7:40:36PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HTX24-2211, ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR FIRST
7:40:48PM READING CONSIDERATION.
7:40:49PM AN ORDINANCE APPROVING AN HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROPERTY TAX
7:40:52PM EXEMPTION APPLICATION RELATIVE TO THE RESTORATION,
7:40:55PM RENOVATION, AND REHABILITATION OF CERTAIN PROPERTY OWNED BY
7:41:02PM AIA TAMPA BAY, INC., LOCATED AT 1208 NORTH HOWARD AVENUE,
7:41:06PM TAMPA, FLORIDA IN THE WEST TAMPA MULTIPLE PROPERTIES
7:41:09PM LISTING, BASED UPON CERTAIN FINDINGS, PROVIDING FOR NOTICE
7:41:12PM TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, PROVIDING
7:41:14PM FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN
7:41:18PM CONFLICT, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
7:41:19PM HONORED TO BE THERE WHEN THEY OPENED IT UP.
7:41:22PM WONDERFUL PLACE.
7:41:23PM WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS REALLY NICE.
7:41:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
7:41:27PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
7:41:28PM ALL IN FAVOR?
7:41:28PM AYE.
7:41:29PM ANY OPPOSED?
7:41:29PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
7:41:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT WHAT WE JUST DID?
7:41:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, IT'S ABOUT THE AGENDA IN GENERAL.
7:41:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I CAN GET THROUGH
7:41:48PM 48 AND 51 SUPER FAST.
7:41:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: COULD WE JUST VERIFY, WAS 49 MOVED?
7:41:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DID WE CONTINUE ITEM 49 TO FEBRUARY 15?
7:41:57PM I BELIEVE WE MADE A MOTION.
7:41:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 49 WAS CONTINUED BY MY BOOK.
7:42:09PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH THE SECOND
7:42:11PM HEARING AND ADOPTION TO BE HELD ON FEBRUARY 15, 2024,
7:42:15PM 9:30 A.M. AT OLD CITY HALL, 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD,
7:42:20PM THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
7:42:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOW CHECK THE STATUS OF 49.
7:42:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DID WE MAKE THAT MOTION?
7:42:32PM I BELIEVE WE DID BUT I WANTED TO VERIFY.
7:42:35PM YES.
7:42:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: 49 WAS CONTINUED.
7:42:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'RE VERIFYING.
7:42:50PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
7:42:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAS IT CONTINUED, MA'AM?
7:42:59PM ITEM 49 WAS CONTINUED TO FEBRUARY 15.
7:43:04PM WE DID.
7:43:05PM OKAY.
7:43:05PM SO IT WAS CONTINUED.
7:43:06PM YES, MA'AM.
7:43:08PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
7:43:09PM YOU WANT TO DO 48 AND 51 SUPER FAST, YOU SAID.
7:43:18PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, GO AHEAD.
7:43:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ALL I WANT TO SAY ABOUT THE YOUTH ACTIVITIES
7:43:21PM FOR FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHT IS THAT CHIEF BERCAW DECIDED
7:43:24PM TO MOVE THAT $280,000 TO KEEP STAY AND PLAY OPEN FROM
7:43:28PM 10 P.M. TO MIDNIGHT BUT ONLY FOR RIGHT NOW FOR WHAT WE
7:43:35PM ALREADY HAVE, WHICH IS SUMMER AND ANY SCHOOL BREAKS.
7:43:40PM BUT WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING IS WORKING WITH STAFF AND TRYING TO
7:43:44PM FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT WE CAN PRIORITIZE THIS IN THE 2025
7:43:50PM BUDGET.
7:43:50PM WE HAVE TEN MONTHS TO DO SO.
7:43:55PM I'VE SPOKEN WITH NONPROFITS AND I WANT TO WORK WITH THE
7:43:57PM SCHOOLS.
7:43:58PM SO WE HAVE SOME PLANS, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE.
7:44:01PM I SEE MR. MULKEY HERE.
7:44:03PM THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
7:44:04PM IS THERE A TIME THAT WE COULD SAY WE COULD BRING THIS BACK
7:44:07PM JUST FOR A LITTLE UPDATE, MAYBE IN TWO MONTHS' TIME?
7:44:11PM DO YOU THINK THAT IS ENOUGH TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN
7:44:13PM UPDATE?
7:44:15PM >> TONY MULKEY, PARKS AND RECREATION.
7:44:18PM YES, I THINK A COUPLE OF MONTHS.
7:44:20PM WE ARE STARTING TO KIND OF DEVELOP SOME OF OUR STRATEGIC
7:44:22PM PLANS SURROUNDING OUR TEEN PROGRAMMING.
7:44:24PM IT IS A PRIORITY OF PARKS AND RECREATION.
7:44:27PM I DID PROVIDE THE MEMO RESPONDING FOR FRIDAY AND SATURDAY
7:44:31PM NIGHT PROGRAMMING, BUT ACTUALLY EXPANDED IT BECAUSE A LOT OF
7:44:35PM THE FEEDBACK THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE A MORE HOLISTIC VIEW TO
7:44:39PM TRY AND CAPTURE MORE TEENS INTO THE PROGRAM AS WE HAVE
7:44:44PM CHALLENGED TO REACH OUT.
7:44:46PM WE'RE REALLY GOOD WITH OUR SCHOOL AGE BETWEEN 5 AND 12, AND
7:44:49PM IT'S TRYING TO KEEP THEM IN THE PROGRAM, ENGAGED AND PROVIDE
7:44:52PM OPPORTUNITIES.
7:44:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
7:44:55PM I'M GOING TO ASK THAT WE MOVE ITEM 48.
7:45:01PM WE CONTINUE IT UNTIL MARCH 28 FOR AN UPDATE.
7:45:06PM IN THAT TIME, I WILL REACH OUT TO MR. MULKEY AND SOME OTHERS
7:45:10PM TO SEE IF WE CAN BRING FOLKS TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT WHERE WE
7:45:13PM ARE.
7:45:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN
7:45:14PM HURTAK.
7:45:15PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
7:45:16PM ALL IN FAVOR?
7:45:17PM AYE.
7:45:18PM YEAH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT INVESTING
7:45:21PM FURTHER IN BECAUSE THIS IS A TOOL THAT WILL BENEFIT OUR
7:45:26PM YOUTH IN KEEPING THEM SAFE, KEEPING THEM OCCUPIED.
7:45:29PM KEEPING THEM, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING ALL THE DISCUSSIONS
7:45:34PM REGARDING VIOLENCE, REGARDING CURFEW, SO VERY GOOD.
7:45:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S WHY I DON'T WANT IT TO GO TOO FAR BUT
7:45:42PM HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF IDEA SO MOVEMENT FROM THERE.
7:45:44PM 100% INVOLVE THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THEY SAID
7:45:47PM THEY WANTED.
7:45:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ABSOLUTELY.
7:45:49PM I THINK IT'S VERY, VERY WISE.
7:45:50PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
7:45:51PM YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT ITEM 50?
7:45:53PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
7:45:54PM I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
7:45:57PM WE CAN ACCEPT 50.
7:46:00PM MY MOTION WAS, I WROTE IT DOWN HERE.
7:46:03PM MOTION FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO REPORT TO TAMPA CITY
7:46:06PM COUNCIL ON IDEAS ON HOW TO COMBAT VIOLENT CRIME IN OUR CITY
7:46:10PM OF TAMPA.
7:46:10PM THIS INCLUDES BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO COMMUNITY EFFORTS, THE
7:46:13PM HIRING OF MORE POLICE OFFICERS, ADDRESSING GUN VIOLENCE,
7:46:17PM YOUTH PROGRAMS AND INTERVENTION, VICTIMS OF CRIMES,
7:46:21PM ASSISTANCE, AND ALL OTHER SOLUTIONS ON THE TABLE FOR VIOLENT
7:46:24PM CRIME.
7:46:24PM SO THIS DOES NOT THEN FORECLOSE ON ANY OTHER IDEAS THAT HAVE
7:46:28PM BEEN DISCUSSED BEFORE, INCLUDING ONES THAT WE DISCUSSED
7:46:31PM TODAY.
7:46:31PM SO IF THE ADMINISTRATION WISHES TO BRING THOSE FORWARD OR
7:46:34PM ANY COUNCIL MEMBER, WE CAN DO SO AT THAT TIME.
7:46:38PM THE DATE -- THE FIRST WEEK OF MARCH?
7:46:44PM >>BILL CARLSON: WORKSHOP OR DISCUSSION?
7:46:46PM >>LUIS VIERA: IT'S A DISCUSSION.
7:46:47PM WE CAN TURN IT INTO A WORKSHOP.
7:46:49PM THE PROBLEM WITH WORKSHOPS IS WE HAVE SO MANY WORKSHOPS ON
7:46:53PM THE AGENDA THAT THE ODDS OF US GETTING THERE WOULD LIKELY BE
7:46:56PM SLIM.
7:46:56PM I THINK HAVING IT AS A STAFF REPORT I THINK WE'RE MORE
7:47:01PM LIKELY TO GET IT.
7:47:02PM WE'LL SPEAK ON IT LESS.
7:47:03PM AGAIN, IF WE MAKE MOVEMENT I THINK THAT IS WHAT IS
7:47:07PM IMPORTANT.
7:47:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HOW ABOUT MARCH 28, THE SAME TIME TALKING
7:47:10PM ABOUT THE MOVEMENT OR THE YOUTH PROGRAM.
7:47:13PM KIND OF GOES TOGETHER.
7:47:14PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, MA'AM.
7:47:15PM I HAD TO STEP OUTSIDE TO GET MY MOTIONS FOR THIS EVENING.
7:47:20PM I ALSO WANTED TO COMMEND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK BECAUSE I DID
7:47:23PM SEE THE ADMINISTRATION MOVED ON THAT.
7:47:25PM IF MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT, YOU ARE THE ONE THAT BROUGHT IT
7:47:27PM UP.
7:47:28PM AS COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID, I SALUTE THAT.
7:47:30PM I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
7:47:31PM THAT'S MY MOTION.
7:47:32PM AGAIN, THESE IDEAS, INCLUDING OTHER THINGS.
7:47:34PM I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT A CURFEW, A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS WE
7:47:38PM CAN TALK ABOUT.
7:47:39PM I LISTED SOME.
7:47:40PM THAT IS MY MOTION FOR MARCH 28.
7:47:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
7:47:44PM VIERA.
7:47:45PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
7:47:46PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ITEM 50 WILL BE TOTALLY RESTATED, IS THAT
7:47:50PM CORRECT?
7:47:54PM >>LUIS VIERA: ACCEPT THE REPORT -- I'LL ACCEPT THE REPORT.
7:47:58PM WE'LL DEAL WITH THAT --
7:48:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE ABOUT
7:48:03PM WORDSMITHING THIS.
7:48:06PM I KNOW YOUR MOTION IS ALL-ENCOMPASSING, BUT ALSO YOUTH WORK
7:48:11PM PROGRAMS.
7:48:11PM STAFF LISTENING, YOUTH WORK PROGRAMS.
7:48:14PM YOU DID NOT EXCLUDE THAT.
7:48:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM VIERA.
7:48:19PM SECOND FROM CLENDENIN.
7:48:20PM ALL IN FAVOR?
7:48:21PM AYE.
7:48:21PM ANY OPPOSED?
7:48:22PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
7:48:24PM WE NOW COME TO ITEMS 55 AND 56, WHICH ARE THE LAST ITEMS ON
7:48:28PM THE AGENDA.
7:48:29PM 55, WHOEVER WANTS TO SPEAK ABOUT 55.
7:48:34PM IS IT YOU?
7:48:35PM YES, MA'AM.
7:48:36PM I SEE ABBYE BUT THEN CODE ENFORCEMENT.
7:48:42PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: ABBYE FEELEY, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF
7:48:44PM DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
7:48:46PM I HAVE WITH ME TONIGHT JOHN REED, OUR FIRE MARSHAL AND KEITH
7:48:50PM O'CONNOR, DIRECTOR OF CODE ENFORCEMENT, AND ALSO CAMARIA
7:48:53PM PETTIS-MACKLE.
7:48:54PM THE FOUR OF US HAVE BEEN WORKING ON RESPONDING TO THIS
7:48:57PM MOTION FOR YOU RELATED TO THE ROOMING HOUSES LOCATED ON
7:49:00PM NEBRASKA AVENUE.
7:49:01PM I BELIEVE EARLIER TODAY, MS. HEADLAND AND MS. GRIMSDALE WERE
7:49:06PM HERE TO SPEAK ON THOSE.
7:49:08PM WE DID GO BACK AND DO SOME RESEARCH.
7:49:11PM IN ADDITION, I'M GOING TO JUST GO OVER THAT IN THE ZONING
7:49:14PM WITH YOU RELATED TO THOSE PROPERTIES AND HOW THOSE ROOMING
7:49:17PM HOUSES WERE ESTABLISHED.
7:49:18PM I'LL BE BRIEF BUT I HAVE KEITH AND JOHN REED HERE TO SPEAK
7:49:28PM TO YOU.
7:49:29PM THEY DID GO OUT IN RELATION TO CODE ENFORCEMENT AND DO A
7:49:31PM SITE VISIT AND JOHN ALSO WENT INTO THE BUILDINGS AND
7:49:35PM PERFORMED FIRE INSPECTIONS.
7:49:36PM THE INTERESTING THING IS THAT THE THREE OF THESE FACILITIES
7:49:41PM AND I BELIEVE MR. BENTLEY IS STILL HERE AND HE REPRESENTED
7:49:44PM THESE FACILITIES IN 2012 WHEN THEY DID CONVERT FROM
7:49:48PM APARTMENTS TO ROOMING HOUSES.
7:49:50PM AND I DID CHECK ALL THE PERMITS.
7:49:52PM THOSE PERMITS WERE APPLIED FOR AND RECEIVED AND FINALED IN
7:49:59PM RELATION TO ESTABLISHING THOSE FACILITIES AS ROOMING HOUSES.
7:50:03PM AT THE TIME IN 2012 WHEN THEY WERE ESTABLISHED AS ROOMING
7:50:06PM HOUSES, ROOMING HOUSES WERE NOT A STANDARD OF USE AS THEY
7:50:09PM ARE TODAY IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
7:50:11PM AND THOSE CHANGES CAME IN 2013.
7:50:14PM SO IN 2012 WHEN THESE WERE DONE, ROOMING HOUSES WERE IN
7:50:18PM CHAPTER 19 AND THEY DID NOT HAVE THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE
7:50:22PM HAVE TODAY, WHICH IS THEY NEED TO BE SEPARATED 500 FEET SO
7:50:27PM THERE ARE NOT CONGREGATIONS OF THEM.
7:50:29PM THEY NEED TO HAVE 150 SQUARE FOOT PER TENANT.
7:50:33PM CANNOT HAVE MORE THAN TWO TENANTS PER UNIT.
7:50:36PM GIVEN THAT THESE FACILITIES WERE PROPERLY PERMITTED AND
7:50:40PM PREDATED THE REGULATIONS, AS YOU ALL KNOW WHEN WE PUT IN
7:50:43PM LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, WE DON'T RETROACTIVELY GO BACK
7:50:46PM ON FACILITIES THAT WERE PROPERLY PERMITTED.
7:50:49PM THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE.
7:50:51PM SO THOSE THREE, IN FACT, THE ONE AT 2821 WAS ESTABLISHED IN
7:50:55PM THE EARLY 1960s.
7:50:57PM 1962 TO BE EXACT.
7:50:59PM THE OTHERS DID RECEIVE THEIR PERMITS AND THEY RECEIVED THEIR
7:51:04PM CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY, AND THEY HAVE REMAINED IN
7:51:07PM OPERATION.
7:51:07PM NOW, THAT BEING SAID, IF THEY WERE EVER TO CEASE OPERATION
7:51:10PM FOR A PERIOD OF 180 DAYS OR SHOW AN INTENT TO ABANDON THE
7:51:15PM USE, THEY WOULD THEN BE SUBJECT TO THE CRITERIA THAT ARE
7:51:19PM CURRENTLY IN YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TODAY.
7:51:21PM WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO JOHN REED SO
7:51:26PM THAT HE CAN GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE OCCUPANCY AND THE
7:51:29PM RELATION TO THE FIRE CODE AND HE'LL TURN IT OVER TO KEITH
7:51:33PM AND WE'LL WRAP IT UP FOR YOU.
7:51:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
7:51:36PM YES, SIR.
7:51:39PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
7:51:40PM COUNCIL CHAIR.
7:51:41PM FOR THE RECORD, I AM JOHN REED.
7:51:42PM I AM THE FIRE MARSHAL WITH TAMPA FIRE RESCUE.
7:51:45PM I WANT TO TAKE A FEW MOMENTS AND GIVE YOU UPDATES ON THE
7:51:48PM LIFE SAFETY AND CODE ASPECTS AND TIE INTO WHAT ABBYE WAS
7:51:52PM SAYING AS WELL.
7:51:53PM FIRST, I WANT TO REITERATE THAT AS ABBYE DID, RECENT
7:51:57PM INSPECTIONS WERE DONE ON ALL THREE PROPERTIES.
7:52:00PM ALL THREE PROPERTIES ARE NOW IN COMPLIANCE, NO DEFICIENCIES
7:52:02PM WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 2021 WHICH DOES HAVE TO UPDATE SOME OF
7:52:07PM THEIR SMOKE ALARM CAPACITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT THEY
7:52:10PM ARE IN FULL AGREEMENT.
7:52:12PM THEY KNOW WHAT THEY NEED TO DO AND ALSO ON TRACK FOR THAT.
7:52:14PM TO STEP BACK JUST BRIEFLY TO 2818 AND 2820, THAT OCCUPANCY
7:52:20PM LOAD OF 30 WAS OFTEN THE ONE THING THAT WAS DISCUSSED A LOT.
7:52:24PM I REALLY WANTED TO FOCUS ON THAT JUST FOR A SECOND.
7:52:28PM THERE WAS A DETERMINATION MADE BACK IN 2015 BY THE FIRE
7:52:31PM MARSHAL AND IN COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY THAT THE
7:52:35PM OCCUPANTS OF BOTH THOSE COULD BE AT 30 BASED ON ALL THE LIFE
7:52:39PM SAFETY AND CODE REQUIREMENTS IN PLACE AT THE TIME.
7:52:42PM IT IS IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT BOTH OF THOSE BUILDINGS
7:52:44PM ARE BOTH FULLY SPRINKLERED; THEY HAVE FULL FIRE SPRINKLER
7:52:49PM PROTECTION; AND THEY DO HAVE FULL FIRE ALARM.
7:52:51PM THEY EXCEED THE STANDARDS FOR ROOMING AND BOARDING.
7:52:54PM THEY ACTUALLY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR HOTEL, MOTEL LODGING
7:52:57PM AND DORM.
7:52:58PM THAT DECISION WAS MADE IN 2015.
7:53:00PM THAT CARRIES FORWARD.
7:53:01PM THERE'S BEEN NO CHANGES, AS ABBYE STATED.
7:53:03PM IF THERE WERE TO BE CHANGES, THEN IT WOULD BE UP TO CODE AT
7:53:06PM THAT TIME TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN.
7:53:08PM WITH THAT SAID AS WELL, BACK TO 2821 FOR A MOMENT, OF
7:53:12PM COURSE.
7:53:12PM WE ARE IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.
7:53:14PM THE INITIAL INSPECTION WAS PERFORMED.
7:53:16PM THE INSPECTOR IDENTIFIED THE DEFICIENCIES THAT EXISTED WITH
7:53:18PM THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
7:53:19PM IT'S A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE IN THAT THE FIRST FLOOR HAS ALL
7:53:23PM THEIR OCCUPANTS EXITING RIGHT TO THE EXTERIOR.
7:53:27PM SO THAT IS A MORE LENIENT CODE REQUIREMENT, IF YOU WILL,
7:53:32PM THAN THE SECOND FLOOR THAT HAS AN INTERIOR CORRIDOR.
7:53:35PM THAT'S WHAT KICKS IN THE SMOKE ALARM ASPECT OF WHAT THEY ARE
7:53:38PM HAVING TO UPDATE IN THAT PARTICULAR FACILITY.
7:53:40PM LIKE I SAID, THEY ARE ACTIVELY COMPLYING WITH THAT AS WE
7:53:43PM SPEAK.
7:53:43PM THEY HAVE 30 DAYS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
7:53:46PM IF SOME REASON THEY NEED AN EXTENSION, WE CAN CERTAINLY
7:53:49PM GRANT THAT.
7:53:50PM EQUALLY AS WELL, BOTH INSPECTIONS PERFORMED ON 2818 AND
7:53:55PM 2820, INITIATED ON DECEMBER 12.
7:53:58PM ALSO 30 DAYS TO COMPLETE THE DEFICIENCY LIST.
7:54:00PM THEY HAVE BOTH DONE THAT AND COME IN FULL COMPLIANCE.
7:54:03PM THOSE ARE ACTUALLY WHAT WE CALL I-3s.
7:54:05PM SO THEY RECEIVED THEIR INSPECTION EVERY THREE YEARS.
7:54:10PM SAME WITH 2821.
7:54:12PM THEY WERE ACTUALLY DUE IN FEBRUARY BUT IN ANTICIPATION OF
7:54:14PM SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND
7:54:17PM IMPLEMENT THAT AND GET THEM CAUGHT UP IN DECEMBER AND THEIR
7:54:21PM INSPECTIONS ARE COMPLETE.
7:54:22PM AS WAS STATED, THE CITY'S RULES THAT ARE NOW IN EFFECT AND
7:54:28PM WENT INTO EFFECT PRIOR TO THIS DETERMINATION, THIS
7:54:31PM DETERMINATION IS STILL INTACT AND WILL STAY INTACT UNTIL
7:54:35PM THERE IS A MAJOR CHANGE.
7:54:36PM SO WITH THAT, I OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS.
7:54:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE FIRE MARSHAL?
7:54:42PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
7:54:43PM >> I'LL TURN IT OVER TO KEITH O'CONNOR.
7:54:45PM >> THANK YOU, JOHN.
7:54:46PM GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
7:54:47PM I WILL BE BRIEF, TOO.
7:54:49PM KEITH O'CONNOR, DIRECTOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD ENHANCEMENT.
7:54:51PM JUST LIKE JOHN JUST SAID, ALL THREE PROPERTIES ARE CURRENTLY
7:54:54PM IN COMPLIANCE.
7:54:55PM I'M GOING TO SPEAK TO THE STRUCTURAL MAINTENANCE ISSUES OF
7:54:58PM THE PROPERTIES.
7:54:59PM SINCE 2011, THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE ISSUES AT THE
7:55:02PM PROPERTIES OVER THE YEARS, BUT THEY HAVE ALL COME INTO
7:55:06PM COMPLIANCE SINCE THEN.
7:55:08PM SPECIFICALLY 2818 HAS BEEN IN COMPLIANCE SINCE JANUARY 5th
7:55:12PM OF 2022.
7:55:13PM 2820 HAS BEEN IN COMPLIANCE SINCE MAY OF 2023.
7:55:17PM AND 2821 HAS BEEN IN COMPLIANCE SINCE OCTOBER OF 2021.
7:55:23PM WITH THAT BEING SAID, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT OUR
7:55:27PM COMMITMENT TO THE VM YBOR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE ASSOCIATION,
7:55:31PM IF YOU REMEMBER BACK IN NOVEMBER, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE
7:55:33PM AWARE OF IT, CHIEF BENNETT SET UP A MEETING WITH THE
7:55:36PM ASSOCIATION.
7:55:37PM WE MET AT RAGAN PARK AND WE WERE OUT THERE, CODE
7:55:40PM ENFORCEMENT, THE VM YBOR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OBVIOUSLY
7:55:44PM WAS.
7:55:44PM TPD AND HOUSING.
7:55:46PM WE HAD AN HOUR AND A HALF LONG CONVERSATION WITH THE
7:55:50PM ASSOCIATION.
7:55:51PM WE EXCHANGED CONTACT INFORMATION, AND WE ARE STILL IN
7:55:54PM CONTACT WITH THEM TODAY AS FAR AS MY TEAM AND CODE
7:55:57PM ENFORCEMENT.
7:55:58PM I HAVE SINCE VISITED THESE PROPERTIES IN THE LAST 30 DAYS
7:56:02PM THREE TIMES.
7:56:03PM VISUALLY THEY ARE STILL IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE STRUCTURAL
7:56:05PM CODE.
7:56:06PM I DON'T SEE ANY DEFICIENCIES.
7:56:07PM I WENT OUT THERE WITH THE DISTRICT SUPERVISOR MYSELF AND
7:56:11PM RIGHT NOW THEY ARE STILL GOOD.
7:56:13PM AND THEN FINALLY THE LAST THING I DID TALK TO KIM HEADLAND
7:56:17PM YESTERDAY.
7:56:17PM I EXPLAINED TO HER EXACTLY WHAT THE PROCESS IS WITH US AND
7:56:20PM WHERE WE'RE AT.
7:56:21PM SHE DOES HAVE MY NUMBER.
7:56:23PM SHE HAS THE DISTRICT SUPERVISOR'S NUMBER, VJ SLATON, BUT SHE
7:56:26PM IS IN REGULAR CONTACT WITH THE DISTRICT INSPECTOR OF THAT
7:56:31PM AREA.
7:56:32PM SHE TOLD ME SHE'S VERY HAPPY WITH THE PROGRESS THAT HE'S
7:56:35PM MAKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
7:56:36PM SO WE ARE COMMITTED TO THAT.
7:56:38PM I KNOW THIS IS A TOUGH TOPIC WITH THESE HOUSES THERE, BUT WE
7:56:41PM ARE COMMITTED IN CODE ENFORCEMENT TO MAKING IT BETTER FOR
7:56:45PM THEM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME.
7:56:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
7:56:48PM ANY QUESTIONS?
7:56:48PM YES, MA'AM.
7:56:50PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: JUST TO CLOSE OUT THE DISCUSSION, I THINK
7:56:55PM THERE IS A SIMILAR MOTION COMING BEFORE YOU ON FEBRUARY
7:56:58PM 1st IN RELATION TO SEXUAL PREDATORS AND THE HOUSING OF
7:57:03PM THOSE.
7:57:04PM IN RELATION TO THESE FACILITIES, WE HAVE GIVEN YOU OUR
7:57:08PM REPORT TODAY, BUT I GUESS WE'RE ALL LOOKING FOR EITHER
7:57:11PM FURTHER DIRECTION ON THAT MOTION BECAUSE THE LAND
7:57:15PM DEVELOPMENT CODE DOES NOT REGULATE THAT ASPECT.
7:57:18PM I THINK THERE WAS A PRESENTATION PROVIDED TO YOU WITH MEGAN
7:57:22PM NEWCOMB IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT A WHILE BACK, BUT I JUST
7:57:27PM WASN'T SURE IF THAT OTHER MOTION NEEDS TO CONTINUE TO MOVE
7:57:30PM FORWARD OR WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING WITH THAT SO THAT WE CAN
7:57:34PM BE PREPARED.
7:57:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
7:57:37PM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. BENTLEY, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION?
7:57:40PM I'LL PUT YOU ON THE SPOT FOR A SECOND.
7:57:43PM I KNOW THE COMMUNITY IS VERY FRUSTRATED, OBVIOUSLY.
7:57:48PM AND WE JUST HEARD REPORTS THAT THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ON
7:57:54PM THE REGULATION SIDE RIGHT NOW.
7:57:55PM MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, BUT NOT WITH THESE EXISTING FACILITIES.
7:57:58PM BUT MY QUESTION TO YOU, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO FULLY ANSWER
7:58:02PM IT NOW.
7:58:03PM IS THERE A MARKET SOLUTION FOR THIS?
7:58:05PM IF WE FOUND ANOTHER PLACE WHERE THEY COULD GO, PART OF THE
7:58:09PM PROBLEM IS THAT THERE ARE THREE BUILDINGS AND EACH BUILDING
7:58:12PM HAS A LOT OF PEOPLE IN IT.
7:58:14PM SO LET'S SAY WE FIGURED OUT HOW TO FUND CREATING A BUILDING
7:58:19PM THAT HAD FIVE PEOPLE IN IT AND WE WERE ABLE TO DISPERSE
7:58:24PM THESE IN INDUSTRIAL AREAS OR WHATEVER AROUND THE CITY.
7:58:27PM MY QUESTION, IS THERE A MARKET SOLUTION WHERE THE CITY COULD
7:58:31PM HELP FUND THESE OR OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS TO CREATE SMALLER
7:58:38PM BUILDINGS THAT WOULD HOUSE THESE FOLKS DISPERSED THROUGHOUT
7:58:43PM THE CITY?
7:58:43PM >> GOOD QUESTION.
7:58:44PM MARK BENTLEY.
7:58:45PM OUR CLIENTS DON'T GO OUT SEEKING SEX OFFENDERS.
7:58:51PM THEY ARE REFERRED BY TAMPA GENERAL, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
7:58:53PM HOMELESS RECOVERY PROGRAM, ST. JOE'S, METROPOLITAN
7:58:56PM MINISTRIES.
7:58:56PM THESE PEOPLE ARE TRANSITIONING, OUT OF PRISON, THINGS LIKE
7:59:00PM THAT.
7:59:01PM ACTUALLY, I THINK 32 HAVE STAYED FOR THREE YEARS.
7:59:05PM IT'S NOT REALLY THAT TRANSIENT.
7:59:07PM AND I THINK THERE ARE SEVEN REGISTERED SEX OFFENDERS THE
7:59:11PM LAST TIME I TALKED ABOUT THIS TO THE CLIENT.
7:59:13PM TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I THINK THAT WOULD BE BETTER PUT TO
7:59:16PM SOME OF THE AGENCIES WHO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, FOR EXAMPLE,
7:59:19PM TO THE DIFFERENT ROOMING HOUSES, INCLUDING OUR CLIENT, WHAT
7:59:22PM THE MARKET IS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
7:59:29PM >>BILL CARLSON: CREATING A HYPOTHETICAL AFTER A 12-HOUR
7:59:32PM MEETING, LET'S SAY WE MADE AN OVER COULDN'T REFUSE AND PAID
7:59:38PM FOR THEIR BUILDING WITH THE CONDITION THAT THEY COULD MOVE,
7:59:42PM DISPERSE TO FIVE OTHER PLACES IN THE INDUSTRIAL AREAS AWAY
7:59:47PM FROM FAMILIES.
7:59:49PM >> I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN ANSWER THAT.
7:59:51PM ARE YOU MAKING AN OFFER TO MY CLIENTS?
7:59:56PM >>BILL CARLSON: TRYING TO THINK OF SOLUTION.
7:59:59PM >> MY CLIENT HAS TWO ROOMING HOUSES AT 30% OCCUPANCY
8:00:02PM APPROVED BY THE FIRE MARSHAL.
8:00:04PM LIKE I SAID, I THINK SEVEN SEX OFFENDERS THERE AT THIS POINT
8:00:07PM IN TIME.
8:00:08PM IT FLUCTUATES.
8:00:11PM I'LL TELL YOU, I'VE HAD A LOT OF CLIENTS DOING THIS FOR TOO
8:00:15PM LONG, ESPECIALLY AFTER TODAY.
8:00:16PM AND THESE GUYS ARE REALLY OUTSTANDING PEOPLE.
8:00:20PM I TAKE GREAT PRIDE IN REPRESENTING.
8:00:22PM THEY DO A GREAT JOB IN THE COMMUNITY.
8:00:24PM I KNOW IT'S A TOUCHY SUBJECT, THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE.
8:00:27PM THEY ALWAYS WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
8:00:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU ONLY REPRESENT THE OWNER OF TWO OF THE
8:00:33PM BUILDINGS?
8:00:34PM >> 2818 AND 2820.
8:00:36PM 21 IS ACROSS THE STREET.
8:00:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU HAVE 60 FOLKS LIVING -- 30 IN EACH?
8:00:43PM >> THE OCCUPANCY APPROVED IS 30 PER BUILDING.
8:00:45PM I THINK AT THIS POINT IN TIME, LAST TIME I TALKED TO MY
8:00:49PM CLIENT WAS PROBABLY TWO WEEKS AGO, I THINK THEY HAD ROUGHLY
8:00:52PM 45 TO 50 ALL COMBINED.
8:00:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO COMBINED LET'S ROUND UP AND SAY 50.
8:00:59PM YOU'RE SAYING ONLY SEVEN OF THOSE ARE SEX OFFENDERS.
8:01:02PM >> BASED ON AN E-MAIL I GOT FROM MY CLIENT A FEW DAYS AGO.
8:01:06PM ALL THAT STUFF IS ONLINE, TOO.
8:01:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, YES.
8:01:09PM BUT I THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE.
8:01:12PM I DON'T THINK IT'S WHETHER OR NOT OTHER OFFENDERS ARE USING
8:01:16PM THAT ADDRESS OR USING -- WE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD
8:01:21PM VACANT PROPERTIES THAT ARE NEARBY.
8:01:23PM THE ADDRESSES OF THOSE.
8:01:24PM I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGER ISSUE.
8:01:26PM I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY -- I'M GLAD WE CAN KEEP THESE
8:01:29PM IN COMPLIANCE, BUT I WAS ACTUALLY JUST AT YBOR HEIGHTS
8:01:34PM NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION LAST NIGHT AND THEY ARE BASICALLY
8:01:38PM SAYING THE SAME THING, THAT THEY WANT TO WORK ON THE
8:01:40PM NEBRASKA CORRIDOR, BUT WHAT BREAKS MY HEART IS THEY WANT TO
8:01:43PM CLOSE A PARK.
8:01:45PM THEY WANT TO CLOSE BORRELL PARK BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T
8:01:49PM THINK IT CAN BE REHABBED.
8:01:51PM LET'S PUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING THERE.
8:01:53PM I THINK WHAT THAT SAYS IS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS SO
8:01:56PM FRUSTRATED BY THIS NEBRASKA AVENUE CORRIDOR, AND THAT'S WHAT
8:02:00PM WE TALKED ABOUT LAST NIGHT IS LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS
8:02:05PM CORRIDOR.
8:02:06PM LET'S DISCUSS WAYS THAT WE CAN JUST WITH CODE, YOU KNOW, THE
8:02:12PM VACANT PROPERTIES.
8:02:13PM LET'S MAKE SURE THEY ARE MOWED.
8:02:15PM LET'S SEE IF WE CAN PUT FENCING UP.
8:02:18PM WHAT OTHER THINGS CAN WE DO?
8:02:20PM THESE BUILDINGS ARE IN COMPLIANCE, BUT WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO
8:02:25PM FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD SURROUNDING IT?
8:02:26PM AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE I WOULD LOVE -- I APOLOGIZE.
8:02:30PM I DON'T MEAN TO DROP THIS ON YOU RIGHT NOW BUT I LITERALLY
8:02:33PM HAD THIS MEETING LAST NIGHT OF WHAT CAN WE DO TO GET
8:02:36PM TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT NEBRASKA AVENUE AND TO HELP THE
8:02:41PM NEIGHBORHOOD IN MULTIPLE WAYS.
8:02:44PM HELPS THE NEIGHBORS WHO ARE LIVING THERE, HELPING THE PEOPLE
8:02:46PM WHO ARE LIVING ON THE STREET WHO ARE USING SOME OF THESE
8:02:49PM ADDRESSES BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO PUT AN ADDRESS.
8:02:54PM I THINK THERE IS A LOT TO BE DONE HERE.
8:02:56PM I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT THE CITY HAS DONE, BUT WHAT THE
8:03:00PM NEIGHBORHOOD WAS SAYING IN FRUSTRATION TODAY, THEY FEEL LIKE
8:03:03PM WE AREN'T -- THEY HAVEN'T BEEN HEARD.
8:03:05PM I THINK WHAT WE HAVE SAID IS THEY HAVE BEEN HEARD, BUT
8:03:10PM THERE'S MORE WE CAN DO.
8:03:11PM AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO GO NEXT.
8:03:16PM I'M FINE WITH TAKING FEBRUARY 1st OFF BECAUSE I NOTICED
8:03:19PM THE VERY SAME THING.
8:03:20PM BUT INSTEAD WHAT I WILL ASK IS THAT BETWEEN NOW AND FEBRUARY
8:03:25PM 1st, IF WE COULD COME UP WITH A MOTION TOGETHER ABOUT WHAT
8:03:28PM THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
8:03:30PM I KNOW I'LL WORK WITH YOU, MS. FEELEY, ON THAT.
8:03:34PM AND I WILL BRING A MOTION NEXT WEEK THAT TALKS ABOUT WHAT WE
8:03:37PM CAN DO OR WHAT GROUPS NEED TO GET TOGETHER AND A FUTURE DATE
8:03:42PM TO DO THAT.
8:03:42PM DOES THAT WORK FOR EVERYBODY?
8:03:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS THERE SOMETHING ABOUT THIS ON NEXT
8:03:48PM WEEK'S AGENDA AS WELL?
8:03:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
8:03:50PM THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
8:03:51PM I WILL MOTION TO TAKE -- UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S NO NUMBER TO
8:03:55PM IT, BUT I WILL READ THE ITEM AGENDA.
8:04:00PM IT SAYS, CODE ENFORCEMENT, THE FIRE MARSHAL, AND LEGAL TO
8:04:03PM MEET WITH THE VM YBOR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TO DISCUSS
8:04:05PM CODE VIOLATIONS AND PROVIDE A REPORT.
8:04:08PM AND WE HEARD TONIGHT THAT THAT ALREADY HAPPENED, AND THAT
8:04:12PM THE REPORT HAS BEEN PROVIDED.
8:04:14PM SO I MOVE TO ACCEPT THAT REPORT AND TAKE THAT OFF OF NEXT
8:04:19PM WEEK'S AGENDA AND THEN I WILL COME NEXT WEEK DURING NEW
8:04:24PM BUSINESS WITH AN ITEM AND A DATE TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
8:04:28PM HOW'S THAT?
8:04:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK TO
8:04:33PM RECEIVE AND FILE THAT ITEM BECAUSE SHE'S GOING TO MAKE A
8:04:35PM MOTION NEXT WEEK.
8:04:38PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ALSO THE MOTION NEXT WEEK IS COMING OFF THE
8:04:40PM AGENDA?
8:04:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, I WILL MAKE A SEPARATE MOTION.
8:04:44PM RIGHT NOW I AM ACCEPTING THE FILE NUMBER 55'S REPORT.
8:04:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
8:04:49PM HURTAK.
8:04:50PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
8:04:51PM ALL IN FAVOR?
8:04:52PM AYE.
8:04:53PM ANY OPPOSED?
8:04:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND, I WISH TO TAKE THAT MOTION OFF THAT I
8:04:56PM JUST READ.
8:04:58PM IT'S THIRD ON THE CALENDAR, IF THAT HELPS THE CLERK.
8:05:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
8:05:05PM HURTAK?
8:05:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MOVE TO STRIKE FROM THE AGENDA, HOWEVER YOU
8:05:09PM SAY IT.
8:05:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
8:05:10PM ALL IN FAVOR?
8:05:11PM AYE.
8:05:13PM ANYTHING ELSE?
8:05:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANT TO SAY, MS. FEELEY, IF WE COULD
8:05:17PM FIND A TIME TO JUST HAVE A PHONE CALL WITH KELLY AND WE'LL
8:05:20PM ALL TALK ABOUT IT.
8:05:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ASKING WHAT WE CAN DO ON NEBRASKA, OPEN UP
8:05:25PM A CIGAR BAR AND OUTSIDE PATIO.
8:05:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TOO SOON, SIR.
8:05:30PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: NOT FUNNY AT ALL.
8:05:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
8:05:37PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
8:05:38PM THAT CONCLUDES ITEM 55.
8:05:40PM WE GO TO THE FINAL ITEM OF THE MORNING, ITEM NUMBER 56.
8:05:43PM WE'RE STILL IN MORNING SESSION.
8:05:58PM >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
8:05:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, MR. ROGERO.
8:06:01PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
8:06:02PM DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
8:06:05PM THIS ITEM IS OUR STATUS UPDATE ABOUT OUR EFFORTS TOWARD THE
8:06:09PM PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT FEE.
8:06:10PM AS YOU SEE IN OUR STAFF REPORT, WE HAVE AN EXISTING CONTRACT
8:06:15PM WITH RAFTELIS FINANCIAL CONSULTANTS.
8:06:17PM YOU'LL RECALL WE'VE HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL HISTORY WITH THIS
8:06:21PM FIRM.
8:06:21PM THEY HAVE THE TOOLS, THE EXPERTISE, THE EXPERIENCE TO DO ONE
8:06:27PM OF THESE PUBLIC BECAUSE IT'S A GREAT -- IT IS A DETAILED, AS
8:06:31PM I'M SURE YOU KNOW, BUT FOR THE PUBLIC'S BENEFIT, IT IS A
8:06:34PM VERY DETAILED PROCESS TO COME UP WITH A PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT
8:06:36PM FEE THAT MEETS ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH CASE
8:06:40PM LAW, STATUTE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
8:06:42PM THEY HAVE THE EXPERIENCE.
8:06:43PM THEY'VE GOT THE TOOLS.
8:06:45PM YOU SEE IT IS A LITTLE UNDER $83,000, THE NEGOTIATED WORK
8:06:50PM AGREEMENT WE HAVE WITH THEM.
8:06:52PM AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY OF THE QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
8:06:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW CAN WE MOVE FORWARD?
8:06:56PM WE HEARD FROM SOME FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY THIS MORNING
8:06:59PM REGARDING THE PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT FEE AND THAT WE'VE TALKED
8:07:02PM ABOUT IT.
8:07:03PM WE HAVE THESE REPORTS.
8:07:04PM MR. MASSEY HAS AD NAUSEAM REPORTED TO US.
8:07:10PM WHAT DO WE DO TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP?
8:07:12PM WHAT ACTION DO YOU NEED FROM US?
8:07:14PM THIS IS IN PROCESS.
8:07:17PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU TO APPROVE THIS ITEM
8:07:23PM AND THIS GETS THE BALL ROLLING AS WE'VE IDENTIFIED IN THE
8:07:27PM STAFF REPORT.
8:07:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA TO MOVE
8:07:32PM 56.
8:07:33PM >> WORK ORDER UNDER HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS UNDER EXISTING
8:07:36PM CONTRACT.
8:07:37PM I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO APPROVE ANYTHING.
8:07:38PM WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH IT.
8:07:40PM WE HAD TO NEGOTIATE THE SCOPE.
8:07:42PM THERE ARE STEPS THEY HAVE TO TAKE.
8:07:49PM >>LUIS VIERA: REALLY QUICK, I WANTED TO POINT OUT FOR THE
8:07:51PM PUBLIC ALL THE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WATCHING US RIGHT NOW THAT
8:07:53PM THE PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT FEE IS REALLY, IT'S GREAT.
8:07:57PM WE HAVEN'T DONE IT IN A FEW YEARS.
8:08:01PM WHEN THIS WAS FIRST PUSHED.
8:08:02PM BUT IT'S VERY LIMITED IN ITS SCOPE, WHICH IS, CORRECT ME IF
8:08:06PM I'M WRONG, IT DEALS WITH THE EFFECT OF LOCAL AREA WITH
8:08:11PM PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENTS.
8:08:12PM IT'S GOT TO BE THE PUBLIC SAFETY INVESTMENT.
8:08:16PM IT'S GOT TO BE, HAS A NEXUS OR CONNECTION TO THAT PARTICULAR
8:08:20PM DEVELOPMENT.
8:08:20PM SO THIS IS PROBABLY A THIRD OF A CHICKEN NUGGET AND I WANT
8:08:25PM FIVE McRIBS.
8:08:27PM AGAIN, FOR ME, THIS IS FINE, BUT THIS IS NOT ANYTHING NEAR.
8:08:33PM IT IS A SMALL PART OF WHAT WE NEED.
8:08:35PM AGAIN, ALL FOR IT, BUT I DON'T WANT FOLKS TO THINK, OH, BOY,
8:08:39PM HERE IT COMES.
8:08:40PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IF I COULD EXPAND ON THAT, YOU'RE QUITE
8:08:43PM RIGHT.
8:08:43PM THESE ARE CHARGES ASSESSED BASED ON DEVELOPMENT AND THE
8:08:46PM ANTICIPATED IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT.
8:08:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [INAUDIBLE]
8:08:51PM [ LAUGHTER ]
8:08:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
8:08:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SAY THAT I DO WANT TO JUST GO AHEAD
8:09:03PM AND ACCEPT IT AND SAY LET'S MOVE FORWARD.
8:09:06PM SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
8:09:07PM BUT BEFORE THAT, JUST WHAT IS THE ANTICIPATED TIMELINE TO
8:09:13PM HAVE THIS REPORT AND GET IT DONE?
8:09:16PM SO IF WE WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION TO COME BACK, ABOUT WHEN
8:09:20PM WOULD WE DO THAT?
8:09:22PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I WOULD LIKE TO CIRCLE BACK ON THAT.
8:09:24PM WHAT I WOULD LIKE RAFTELIS DO IS MORE IN-DEPTH WORK BEFORE I
8:09:29PM THROW OUT A DATE THAT MIGHT NOT BE WORTH THE PAPER IT'S
8:09:32PM PRINTED ON.
8:09:33PM I WOULD LIKE TO CIRCLE BACK WITH A MORE REFINED TIME FRAME.
8:09:36PM IT'S A REASONABLE QUESTION.
8:09:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I UNDERSTAND.
8:09:40PM WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MAKES IT BACK TO THE AGENDA SO
8:09:43PM WE'RE FOLLOWING THIS, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG OF A PROCESS
8:09:46PM IT IS.
8:09:46PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: UNDERSTOOD.
8:09:49PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: AS THEY GET INTO THE PROCESS, BY STATE
8:09:52PM STATUTE THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE PUBLIC WORKSHOPS BEFORE
8:09:54PM YOU ON THE PROPOSAL.
8:09:57PM SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU AND HAVE PUBLIC
8:10:01PM INPUT BEFORE YOU ALL, BEFORE THE IMPACT FEE IS ACTUALLY
8:10:05PM ADOPTED.
8:10:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
8:10:06PM THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
8:10:08PM IT WILL COME BACK, NOTHING NECESSARY WE NEED TO DO.
8:10:11PM I WILL SAY I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAPPILY ACCEPT THIS
8:10:15PM AND MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
8:10:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT -- MOTION
8:10:19PM FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
8:10:22PM CLENDENIN.
8:10:23PM ALL IN FAVOR?
8:10:23PM AYE.
8:10:24PM ANY OPPOSED?
8:10:25PM WILL I BE SEEING YOU AT GASPARILLA, SIR?
8:10:28PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, SIR.
8:10:29PM THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
8:10:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S IT.
8:10:31PM THAT'S THE AGENDA.
8:10:31PM LET'S GO TO NEW BUSINESS.
8:10:33PM I'LL HAND THE GAVEL OVER TO COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
8:10:37PM I WAS GOING TO SAY MY FRIEND, COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
8:10:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CHAIR PRO TEM RECOGNIZES CHAIRMAN
8:10:42PM MANISCALCO.
8:10:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
8:10:43PM I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PRESENT A COMMENDATION TO
8:10:46PM BETH ALDEN FOR RECOGNIZING HER CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE
8:10:49PM COMMUNITY AND HER 22 YEAR CAREER WITH THE TPO.
8:10:52PM LIKE TO PRESENT THIS COMMENDATION AT OUR NEXT REGULAR
8:10:55PM COUNCIL MEETING WHICH IS NEXT THURSDAY, I KNOW SHORT NOTICE,
8:10:58PM BUT FEBRUARY 1.
8:10:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO.
8:11:01PM SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
8:11:02PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE?
8:11:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, TPO USED TO BE
8:11:08PM THE MPO, THE METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION.
8:11:11PM COUNCILMAN VIERA WAS ON IT.
8:11:13PM I'VE BEEN ON IT FOR ALMOST NINE YEARS.
8:11:16PM IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE ON IT, I'M HAPPY TO GET OFF.
8:11:19PM NOBODY WANTS IT.
8:11:20PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: [INAUDIBLE]
8:11:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE?
8:11:24PM OPPOSED?
8:11:24PM AYES HAVE IT.
8:11:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PRESENT
8:11:29PM A COMMENDATION TO THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY VICTIM ASSISTANCE
8:11:31PM PROGRAM.
8:11:32PM I WILL PRESENT THIS COMMENDATION OFF-SITE AT THEIR CALL TO
8:11:35PM ACTION AND INFORMATION FAIR EVENT ON APRIL 25th.
8:11:40PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [INAUDIBLE]
8:11:42PM [ LAUGHTER ]
8:11:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO.
8:11:44PM IS THERE A SECOND?
8:11:45PM A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
8:11:48PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
8:11:49PM OPPOSED?
8:11:49PM AYES HAVE IT.
8:11:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE LAST ONE IS I'D LIKE TO MAKE A
8:11:53PM MOTION TO PRESENT A COMMENDATION TO A COUPLE THAT NEEDS TO
8:11:56PM REMAIN ANONYMOUS BECAUSE IT'S A SURPRISE, BUT NOTHING BAD.
8:12:00PM YOU'LL KNOW WHO THEY ARE.
8:12:02PM DUE TO IT BEING A SURPRISE FOR THEIR PHILANTHROPIC WORK AND
8:12:06PM ITS POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE CITY OF TAMPA.
8:12:08PM I WILL PRESENT THIS COMMENDATION OFF-SITE ON FEBRUARY 5th.
8:12:11PM NOTHING CONTROVERSIAL.
8:12:12PM IT'S NOBODY -- IT'S GOOD PEOPLE.
8:12:15PM >> THAT'S JUST WEIRD.
8:12:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT.
8:12:17PM BECAUSE I CAN'T SPOIL THE SURPRISE BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW
8:12:19PM ABOUT IT.
8:12:20PM >>LUIS VIERA: MAYBE YOU PRESENT IT.
8:12:22PM WE'LL TRUST YOU.
8:12:24PM WE'LL TRUST YOU TO DO IT AND AFTERWARDS, CAN WE DO AN
8:12:28PM ANONYMOUS COMMENDATION?
8:12:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S UNUSUAL.
8:12:31PM IT'S NOT ANONYMOUS, BUT IT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH THE SUNSHINE
8:12:39PM LAW.
8:12:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OH.
8:12:43PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT, I DON'T
8:12:45PM PARTICULARLY LIKE IT, BUT YOU COULD COME BACK AND RATIFY IT.
8:12:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN I GIVE THE COMMENDATION AND THEN
8:12:52PM COME BACK?
8:12:53PM IT'S NOT CONTROVERSIAL.
8:12:54PM IT'S NOTHING BAD AND THEN I'LL COME BACK AND SAY I GAVE THIS
8:12:57PM COMMENDATION.
8:13:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU DON'T NEED TO MAKE A MOTION.
8:13:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'LL TELL YOU WHO IT IS, YOU MAY OR MAY
8:13:05PM NOT, YOU KNOW THE NAME.
8:13:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK: DO IT LATER.
8:13:09PM DON'T RUIN THE SURPRISE.
8:13:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS THE FIRST NAME DONALD AND MELANIA?
8:13:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
8:13:16PM [ LAUGHTER ]
8:13:16PM THEY ARE NOT POLITICAL.
8:13:17PM THEY ARE NOT POLITICAL.
8:13:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS THAT IT?
8:13:20PM I'M NOT GIVING THE GAVEL BACK.
8:13:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELL I'M TAKING IT.
8:13:25PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
8:13:25PM VIERA?
8:13:26PM HENDERSON?
8:13:29PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO SCHEDULE A
8:13:34PM WORKSHOP ON APRIL 25th TO REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE PROCESS
8:13:38PM FOR HONORARY NAMING OF CITY-OWNED PROPERTY AS SET FORTH IN
8:13:43PM THE HONORARY NAMING ORDINANCE IN CHAPTER 2 OF THE CITY CODE
8:13:46PM ADOPTED BY THIS COUNCIL ON MAY 4th, 2023.
8:13:49PM IT'S A NEW ORDINANCE, AND THERE ARE SOME ISSUES WITH THE
8:13:53PM PROCESS THAT HAVE COME TO LIGHT THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
8:13:56PM AS I'VE SAID PREVIOUSLY, THIS IS NOT ABOUT PEOPLE.
8:13:58PM IT'S ABOUT THE PROCESS.
8:13:59PM LET'S BE PREPARED TO OFFER SUGGESTIONS FOR CHANGES TO THE
8:14:02PM PROCESS.
8:14:03PM IN THE MEANTIME, I ALSO INCLUDE IN THE MOTION THAT COUNCIL
8:14:08PM SUSPEND -- SPEND CONSIDERATION OF NAMING OR ANY RENAMING OF
8:14:14PM CITY-OWNED LAND AND REQUEST THE MAYOR DO THE SAME UNTIL THE
8:14:18PM WORKSHOP, SUGGESTIONS, OF COURSE, ARE WELCOME FROM THEIR
8:14:23PM OFFICE ADMINISTRATION.
8:14:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
8:14:25PM HENDERSON.
8:14:25PM DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR DISCUSSION?
8:14:27PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
8:14:29PM VIERA AND THEN HURTAK.
8:14:32PM >>LUIS VIERA: I WAS GOING TO SAY, THE BEGINNING OF IT I WAS
8:14:35PM TOTALLY FINE, BUT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT SUSPENDING ANY ONGOING
8:14:39PM ACTS OCCURRING NOW.
8:14:40PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT EFFECT THAT WOULD HAVE.
8:14:43PM IS THERE ANYTHING ONGOING RIGHT NOW?
8:14:47PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THERE WAS A PERSON ONE WEEK AFTER A PERSON
8:14:51PM WAS DECEASED, THERE WAS A MOTION TO NAME A PARK AFTER THAT
8:14:55PM PERSON, AND WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS THE PERSON SHOULD
8:14:58PM BE DECEASED FOR A YEAR.
8:15:00PM SO WE DO HAVE SOME CHALLENGES IN OUR PROCESS AND THAT WAS
8:15:04PM MADE BY THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEMBER, COUNCILMAN THAT SAT IN
8:15:08PM MY SEAT FOR A PARK NAMING.
8:15:13PM YOU KNOW, FOR ME, WHAT I DISCOVERED WAS WHEN WE MAKE THE
8:15:20PM MOTION, IT'S LEGISLATIVE AND THE STAFF DOES WHAT WE ASK THEM
8:15:24PM TO DO.
8:15:25PM THE PROBLEM IS THAT THERE'S NO COMMUNITY INPUT AND IT CAN
8:15:29PM CREATE SOME MISUNDERSTANDINGS IN OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT'S
8:15:33PM COMING FROM US.
8:15:34PM THE POWER IS WITH US WHEN WE MAKE A MOTION AND SAY, YEAH,
8:15:38PM YEAH, IT SOUNDS GOOD, LET'S NAME IT AFTER THAT PERSON.
8:15:41PM REALLY, IT'S ALMOST A DONE DEAL AT THAT POINT.
8:15:43PM STAFF IS DOING WHAT WE ASKED THEM TO DO.
8:15:47PM IT'S CREATED AN ISSUE AND WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT SHOULD WE
8:15:51PM HAVE ALL OF THAT POWER ONCE WE MAKE THAT MOTION?
8:15:56PM BECAUSE IT IS A COURTESY.
8:15:58PM THAT'S WHAT IT APPEARS TO BE OR THAT'S WHAT IT SEEMS TO BE
8:16:02PM WHEN SOMEONE SAYS, HEY, I WANT TO NAME SOMETHING AFTER
8:16:05PM SOMEONE.
8:16:05PM THE COUNCIL MEMBER THAT NAMED THE LAST ONE IS NO LONGER EVEN
8:16:09PM ON COUNCIL AND WE'RE DEALING WITH THE AFTERMATH OF SOME
8:16:13PM PUBLIC CONCERNS.
8:16:16PM >>LUIS VIERA: FOR NUMBER ONE, I'M WORKING ON -- I CAN'T GO
8:16:20PM PUBLIC WITH IT YET -- A PARK RENAMING WITH SOMEONE.
8:16:24PM I CAN'T SPEAK ABOUT IT AT THIS TIME, IT WILL COME OUT VERY
8:16:28PM SOON.
8:16:29PM AND I WANT TO KNOW BEFORE I VOTE FOR THIS WHO WE WOULD BE
8:16:32PM SETTING ASIDE.
8:16:34PM I WOULD NEED THAT INFORMATION.
8:16:36PM THE FIRST PART OF IT, THE PROCESS, I'M ALL 100% WITH IT.
8:16:43PM THE LISTING OF WHAT EFFORTS IT WOULD SET ASIDE BECAUSE I
8:16:46PM WANT TO KNOW THAT.
8:16:47PM THAT'S ME.
8:16:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU'RE ASKING THAT IF THERE IS A PROBLEM
8:16:55PM WITH THE PROCESS, YOU'RE ASKING TO HOLD UP THE PROCESS UNTIL
8:16:57PM THE WORKSHOP IN APRIL.
8:17:00PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YEAH, BECAUSE THAT NAMING PROCESS.
8:17:02PM THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE LETTER WAS -- I DON'T KNOW TO ALL OF
8:17:10PM YOU OR ME IN PARTICULAR, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS THE
8:17:13PM COMMUNITY SAID, WELL, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY SAY.
8:17:15PM I SAID TO THE COMMUNITY, WELL, YOU DON'T ACTUALLY GET A SAY
8:17:18PM BECAUSE IT IS A LEGISLATIVE MOTION THAT CARRIES THE PROCESS
8:17:22PM TO STAFF AND THERE'S NOTHING IN THE RULES THAT SAY THAT WE
8:17:24PM HAVE TO TALK TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE NAMING.
8:17:27PM SO THAT IS ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WAS PRESENTED EVEN BY
8:17:33PM THE COMMUNITY.
8:17:35PM AND I HAD TO INFORM THEM OF THAT.
8:17:37PM YEAH, WE DON'T NEED YOUR PERMISSION ACTUALLY BECAUSE OF THE
8:17:40PM LEGISLATIVE RULE.
8:17:41PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: TWO THINGS.
8:17:44PM THE CLERK WOULD HAVE ANY MOTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE MADE TO
8:17:46PM RENAME ANY FACILITY.
8:17:48PM SO SHE WOULD HAVE A LISTING OF ANYTHING THAT'S PENDING AT
8:17:51PM THIS POINT IN TIME.
8:17:52PM SO THAT'S THE WAY FOR YOU TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S IN THE
8:17:55PM HOPPER, FOR WANT OF A BETTER WORD.
8:17:58PM THE OTHER THING IS, YOU'RE RIGHT, THE PROCESS IS INITIATED
8:18:02PM BY YOU ALL WITHOUT ANY INPUT FROM ANYONE NECESSARILY.
8:18:05PM IT DOES GO THROUGH A REVIEW OF SOME SORT AND IT DOES HAVE TO
8:18:10PM COME BACK TO YOU IN A PUBLIC HEARING SETTING.
8:18:14PM REAL ESTATE IS REQUIRED TO POST THIS IN A PROMINENT PLACE ON
8:18:17PM THE WEBSITE FOR COMMENT.
8:18:18PM SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE ALL AWARE.
8:18:20PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT'S TRUE.
8:18:22PM THAT IS A VERY -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY HIT IN A WAY, BUT
8:18:28PM SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO GO LOOKING FOR THAT INFORMATION.
8:18:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK AND COUNCIL MEMBER
8:18:35PM CLENDENIN.
8:18:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M GOING TO ASK TO AMEND YOUR MOTION BECAUSE
8:18:38PM WE HAVE SEVEN ITEMS ALREADY ON THAT WORKSHOP AGENDA, TO MAY
8:18:41PM 23rd WHERE WE HAVE NOTHING.
8:18:44PM I'M SORRY.
8:18:45PM WE HAVE ONE.
8:18:46PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: MAY 23 IS A WORKSHOP.
8:18:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, IT ONLY --
8:18:51PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WILL ACCEPT THAT.
8:18:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
8:18:53PM THIS DEFINITELY OBVIOUSLY NEEDS TO HAVE MORE CONVERSATION
8:18:56PM AROUND IT.
8:18:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN AND CARLSON.
8:18:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ABSOLUTELY WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK JUST
8:19:01PM SAID. CLEARLY, WHAT WE HAVE JUST SEEN BY THIS KERFUFFLE WE
8:19:09PM JUST WENT THROUGH RENAMING, THIS IS NOT WELL DISCUSSED.
8:19:12PM THE PUBLIC DOES HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY BUT NOT UNTIL WE GET TO
8:19:15PM THE PUBLIC HEARING.
8:19:16PM BY THEN IT BECOMES PERSONAL AND AWKWARD.
8:19:26PM WE COULD HAVE SAVED A LOT OF HEARTACHE HAD WE FOLLOWED A
8:19:29PM LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN IN-DEPTH PROCESS.
8:19:32PM THIS WAS A LEARNING LESSON AND WE SHOULD TAKE THE LAST
8:19:36PM SITUATION AS A LEARNING LESSON.
8:19:38PM WE SHOULD TAKE THAT TO THE WORKSHOP AND FIND A BETTER WAY OF
8:19:42PM MAKING THESE THINGS HAPPEN.
8:19:43PM BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT?
8:19:44PM IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY.
8:19:47PM THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS UP BECAUSE I THINK IT'S
8:19:49PM IMPORTANT.
8:19:50PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WAS GOING TO DO IT WHEN YOU ALL WERE SO
8:19:52PM GRACIOUS TO ALLOW ME TO GO TO MY MOTHER'S BEDSIDE.
8:19:56PM IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME TO DO IT BECAUSE WE'RE STILL GETTING
8:20:00PM COMMUNICATION.
8:20:00PM IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ADDRESS IT TOGETHER AT A WORKSHOP.
8:20:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING, WHETHER
8:20:07PM SOMETHING IS RENAMED NOW OR WE HAVE A FIVE-MONTH DELAY OR
8:20:10PM SIX-MONTH DELAY, THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE RENAMED, FOR
8:20:13PM LACK OF A BETTER WORD, PERPETUITY.
8:20:15PM LET'S TAKE OUR TIME AND DO IT RIGHT.
8:20:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
8:20:19PM >>BILL CARLSON: FIRST OF ALL, IN TERMS OF THE WAIT, THIS IS
8:20:23PM NOT LIKE A COMMENDATION.
8:20:25PM IT SHOULD BE, AND WE'VE TALKED EVEN BEFORE YOU GOT -- YOU
8:20:29PM ALL GOT ON COUNCIL THAT WE SHOULD LIMIT COMMENDATIONS TOO SO
8:20:33PM THEY ARE SPECIAL.
8:20:34PM BUT THIS IN PARTICULAR SHOULD BE SOMETHING VERY SPECIAL AND
8:20:36PM VERY RARE.
8:20:40PM THE GENESIS OF IT YOU MAY KNOW IS THAT WE HAD COLLEAGUES
8:20:45PM THAT MADE SOME PROPOSALS AND THE ADMINISTRATION THEN PUT
8:20:47PM TOGETHER A COMMITTEE THAT CAME BACK WITH THOSE
8:20:49PM RECOMMENDATIONS.
8:20:50PM I THOUGHT THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE GREAT.
8:20:52PM AT LEAST IT WAS A PROCESS.
8:20:53PM BEFORE THERE WASN'T EVEN A PROCESS.
8:20:55PM THE PROBLEM WAS THEN THEY PROPOSED AS EXECUTIVE ORDER AND
8:20:59PM INFORMED US ABOUT IT.
8:21:00PM WE WENT BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THE CHARTER AND THE COMPROMISE
8:21:05PM WAS THAT WE CODIFIED IT IN AN ORDINANCE AND THE MAYOR
8:21:10PM CODIFIED IT IN AN EXECUTIVE ORDER.
8:21:12PM WHAT IT SAID WAS THAT IF WE FOLLOWED THE RULES OR SHE
8:21:17PM FOLLOWED THE RULES, THEN WE COULD NAME SOMETHING BY
8:21:20PM OURSELVES.
8:21:21PM BUT IF IT BREAKS THE RULES, THEN WE HAVE TO BOTH AGREE,
8:21:25PM WHICH I THOUGHT WAS A GREAT COMPROMISE.
8:21:27PM THE NOTICE THAT HE TALKED ABOUT, THAT WAS SOMETHING I PUSHED
8:21:32PM FOR REALLY HARD BECAUSE THERE COULD BE CONTROVERSY.
8:21:36PM IN THIS CASE, THE PROCESS ACTUALLY WORKED, ALTHOUGH IT'S
8:21:40PM ROUGH, BUT I WAS PUSHING FOR MORE NOTICE THAN JUST PUTTING
8:21:45PM ON THE WEBSITE BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ON THE SURFACE
8:21:49PM MIGHT SEEM GOOD TO SOMEBODY AND NOT GOOD TO SOMEBODY ELSE,
8:21:52PM RIGHT?
8:21:52PM WE NEED TO LISTEN AND THERE COULD BE BACKGROUNDS THAT WE MAY
8:22:02PM NOT KNOW.
8:22:03PM JUST PUTTING IT ON THE WEBSITE IS NOT SUFFICIENT.
8:22:05PM I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF MORE NOTICE.
8:22:07PM I'M IN FAVOR OF MORE PROCESS TO INCREASE THE LEVEL.
8:22:10PM I HOPE WHATEVER WE CAME BACK WITH, THAT THE MAYOR WOULD
8:22:13PM AGREE IN AN EXECUTIVE ORDER AT THE SAME TIME.
8:22:15PM ANYWAY, RIGHT NOW, IF YOU WANTED TO DO SOMETHING OUTSIDE ONE
8:22:20PM OF THOSE ROLES, IF THE MAYOR AGREES, WE CAN STILL DO IT.
8:22:22PM SOMEHOW I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE IT MORE OF A SPECIAL AND
8:22:25PM RARE THING.
8:22:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION.
8:22:29PM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE TWO HONORARY STREET RENAMINGS THAT ARE
8:22:33PM OUTSTANDING.
8:22:34PM ACTUALLY, THREE OR FOUR.
8:22:35PM DOES THIS AFFECT THOSE WE ALREADY PASSED?
8:22:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WILL THIS CANCEL THE PENDING STREET
8:22:39PM RENAMING?
8:22:40PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I DON'T AT THIS POINT KNOW.
8:22:43PM I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
8:22:44PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: ANYTHING YOU'VE ALREADY DONE IS DONE.
8:22:46PM IT'S ANYTHING THAT IS KIND OF PENDING, SHE'S ASKING IT TO BE
8:22:50PM HELD UNTIL YOU HAVE THE WORKSHOP.
8:22:51PM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
8:22:52PM AND THAT'S FINE.
8:22:53PM TO DISCLOSE TO COUNCIL, I AM GOING TO BE PROPOSING A PARK
8:22:57PM RENAMING VERY LIKELY WITHIN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
8:22:59PM AND WE CAN HAVE IT COME BACK CONCURRENT WITH THIS.
8:23:03PM THAT'S FINE.
8:23:03PM I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE WE HAVE DR. WALTER SMITH.
8:23:07PM WE HAVE SALVADOR MARTINEZ YBOR THAT ARE STILL OUTSTANDING.
8:23:10PM AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE ON THE RECORD THAT THIS
8:23:13PM DOESN'T PUSH THOSE BACK.
8:23:14PM BECAUSE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
8:23:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
8:23:21PM HENDERSON.
8:23:22PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: IF THOSE HAVE NOT BEEN APPROVED BY YOU BY
8:23:25PM ORDINANCE, IF THEY HAVEN'T, ARE YOU ASKING THAT THEY BE HELD
8:23:28PM UNTIL WE HAVE THE WORKSHOP OR --
8:23:31PM >>LUIS VIERA: THEY HAVE, I BELIEVE.
8:23:33PM YEAH, MY STAFF WILL CHECK UP ON THAT.
8:23:35PM MY STAFF OF 38 WILL CHECK UP ON THAT.
8:23:38PM AND IF IT HASN'T, I'LL COME AND ASK THE COURT FOR RELIEF.
8:23:41PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: I BELIEVE THEY HAVE.
8:23:43PM MY RECOLLECTION IS I THINK THEY HAVE BEEN.
8:23:46PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: LET'S VOTE.
8:23:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON HAS A MOTION.
8:23:49PM WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
8:23:51PM ALL IN FAVOR?
8:23:51PM AYE.
8:23:52PM ANY OPPOSED?
8:23:52PM YES, MA'AM.
8:23:53PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THIS IS FOR OUR ATTORNEY THAT WE PAY BIG
8:23:58PM BUCKS TO DO.
8:23:59PM THIS MOTION IS I MOVE TO SET A STAFF REPORT ON FEBRUARY 15
8:24:03PM TO HAVE OUR CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY MEET WITH US INDIVIDUALLY
8:24:07PM TO RETURN WITH RECOMMENDATIONS TO AMEND THE RULES PROCEDURES
8:24:11PM TO ADDRESS THE ORDER OF BUSINESS PUBLIC COMMENT
8:24:14PM PRESENTATIONS AND COMMENDATIONS AND OTHER SUGGESTIONS
8:24:17PM PROPOSED BY COUNCIL.
8:24:19PM IN OTHER WORDS TODAY, LIKE PUBLIC COMMENT SHOULD BE ABOUT
8:24:22PM WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA FIRST.
8:24:25PM LIKE, IT'S ON THE AGENDA.
8:24:27PM THEY CAN LINE UP FIRST.
8:24:28PM AND THEN THE OTHER PEOPLE CAN COME AFTER THAT.
8:24:31PM LET'S HEAR -- WELL, I WANT HIM TO MAKE SOME SUGGESTIONS.
8:24:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FEBRUARY 15.
8:24:38PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: FEBRUARY 15.
8:24:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
8:24:40PM HENDERSON.
8:24:41PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
8:24:42PM ALL IN FAVOR?
8:24:44PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: IT'S INDIVIDUAL CONVERSATIONS.
8:24:45PM I DID SAY THAT.
8:24:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY OPPOSED?
8:24:47PM YES, MA'AM, ANYTHING ELSE?
8:24:48PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: NO, THAT'S IT.
8:24:50PM OH, I'M SORRY.
8:24:51PM I DO HAVE ONE MORE THING.
8:24:53PM UNDER NEW BUSINESS, CAN IT JUST BE A COMMENT?
8:25:01PM EVERY WEEK THERE ARE FOLKS THAT COME TO COUNCIL PUBLIC
8:25:07PM COMMENT REGARDING RESOLUTION 202568 THAT WAS MADE BY THIS
8:25:13PM BODY BACK IN --
8:25:17PM >> 2020 --
8:25:19PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: EXACTLY.
8:25:20PM BECAUSE I'M A BLACK WOMAN ON COUNCIL, THERE ARE PEOPLE IN
8:25:23PM THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE WAITING FOR ME TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT
8:25:27PM THIS.
8:25:29PM IT HAPPENED AT A TIME WHEN IT WAS VERY SENSITIVE.
8:25:34PM EVERYTHING HAPPENING IN THE WORLD AND STILL IS TO A POINT.
8:25:37PM SECTION 3 OF THIS RESOLUTION SAYS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL OF
8:25:42PM TAMPA HEREBY DECLARES ITS SUPPORT FOR THE CREATION OF A
8:25:48PM RECONCILIATION COMMISSION.
8:25:49PM WE SUPPORT THAT.
8:25:52PM THAT'S WHAT THIS BODY SAID BACK IN 2020.
8:25:55PM IT DID NOT SAY THAT WE WOULD DO IT.
8:25:57PM IT DID NOT SAY WE WOULD STAFF IT.
8:25:59PM WE DID NOT PROVIDE A BUDGET FOR IT.
8:26:01PM BUT IT DID SAY THAT WE WOULD SUPPORT A COMMISSION.
8:26:04PM IN OTHER WORDS, THERE ARE ORGANIZATIONS OUT THERE THAT IF
8:26:08PM THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY ARE SO INCLINED TO DO, THEN BY
8:26:11PM ALL MEANS, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AND PRESENT
8:26:14PM IT TO COUNCIL, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE OPEN TO AND
8:26:17PM THAT'S WHAT THIS RESOLUTION SAYS.
8:26:19PM IT'S NOT LEGALLY BINDING WHERE WE HAVE TO PROVIDE A STAFF OR
8:26:23PM A BUDGET.
8:26:24PM IT WAS NOT PRESENTED IN THE MAYOR'S BUDGET.
8:26:27PM SO THAT IS WHAT I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT, PUBLICLY.
8:26:31PM SO EVERY WEEK WHEN PEOPLE ARE COMING, IF YOU ARE WONDERING
8:26:35PM WHAT I'M THINKING, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M THINKING.
8:26:38PM IN TERMS OF JUST THE WORD REPARATIONS, I KNOW THAT IS A HARD
8:26:41PM WORD.
8:26:43PM WE HAD REPARATIONS IN THIS COUNTRY FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT
8:26:45PM SITUATIONS.
8:26:46PM YOU CAN LOOK THAT UP IN YOUR OWN HISTORY BOOKS.
8:26:49PM AND SO WITH BLACK FOLKS WHOSE ANCESTORS WERE ENSLAVED, WOULD
8:26:57PM WE BE ENTITLED TO REPARATIONS?
8:26:58PM THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS A LEGITIMATE CONVERSATION AT THE
8:27:02PM CITY, STATE AND NATIONAL LEVEL.
8:27:04PM THIS SEVEN BODY RIGHT HERE, WE HAVE A LOT OF CITY BUSINESS,
8:27:09PM AND THAT IS NOT IT FOR ME.
8:27:11PM SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT PUBLICLY.
8:27:13PM AND I'M SURE IF THE REPORTERS WANT TO CALL, THEY CAN CALL.
8:27:18PM BUT THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
8:27:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
8:27:21PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
8:27:22PM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
8:27:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DO YOU KNOW WHAT DATE THAT WAS PASSED?
8:27:28PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE WERE NOT HERE, BUT SOMEONE PUT US ON
8:27:30PM NOTICE TODAY ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY SAID WE WERE NOW PART,
8:27:34PM SEPTEMBER 3, 2020.
8:27:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'LL GO BACK AND WATCH.
8:27:38PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SIGNED BY CHAIR GUIDO MANISCALCO.
8:27:42PM THAT WAS DURING COVID AT THE CONVENTION CENTER.
8:27:46PM IT IS A VERY SIMPLE DOCUMENT AND I RECOMMEND THAT THE PUBLIC
8:27:49PM READ IT AGAIN.
8:27:50PM SECTION 3 DOES SAY THAT WE DO SUPPORT THE CREATION OF A
8:27:54PM RECONCILIATION COMMISSION, BUT IT DOES NOT SAY THAT IT IS
8:27:58PM US.
8:27:59PM IT DOES NOT SAY THAT WE STAFF IT OR WE BUDGET FOR IT.
8:28:02PM AS YOU KNOW, WE JUST WENT THROUGH A HUGE BUDGET ADOPTION
8:28:05PM PROCESS.
8:28:06PM IT WAS NOT A PART OF THE BUDGET THAT THE MAYOR PRESENTED TO
8:28:09PM US NOR WAS IT SOMETHING WE INCLUDED.
8:28:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I APPRECIATE YOUR INSIGHT ON THAT.
8:28:15PM I HAVE ONE MOTION.
8:28:16PM A MOTION TO HAVE CITY PLANNING STAFF TO APPEAR AND PROVIDE A
8:28:19PM PRESENTATION ON THE JANUARY 2024 CYCLE OF LAND DEVELOPMENT
8:28:23PM CODE AMENDMENTS AT THE FEBRUARY 22nd COUNCIL WORKSHOP
8:28:27PM SESSION.
8:28:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
8:28:29PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
8:28:31PM ALL IN FAVOR?
8:28:31PM AYE.
8:28:32PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
8:28:33PM YES, MA'AM.
8:28:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, NOTHING.
8:28:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
8:28:35PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST A COUPLE OF REACTIONS AND A COUPLE OF
8:28:38PM MOTIONS.
8:28:43PM ON THE NAMING ISSUE, WITHOUT NAMING NAMES, THE ONE THAT IS
8:28:48PM CONTESTED RIGHT NOW, I CAN'T TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT THIS
8:28:52PM OFF-LINE.
8:28:53PM I KNOW ONE SIDE BUT I DON'T KNOW THE OTHER.
8:28:55PM ANY ONE OF YOU THAT KNOWS BOTH SIDES, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO
8:28:59PM HAVE A DIPLOMAT TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION THERE.
8:29:02PM I DON'T KNOW WHO CAN RESOLVE THE ISSUE.
8:29:04PM STAFF CAN'T DO IT.
8:29:05PM IT'S NOT FAIR TO DUMP IT ON THEM.
8:29:07PM IT'S NOT FAIR TO EVERYBODY WHO IS NEW BECAUSE THE COUNCIL
8:29:11PM MEMBER WHO WAS HERE BEFORE SET THIS UP.
8:29:13PM BUT IF THERE'S ANYBODY WHO KNOWS BOTH SIDES, WE NEED TO --
8:29:17PM I'VE TALKED TO ONE SIDE.
8:29:19PM I DON'T KNOW THE OTHER SIDE.
8:29:22PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I HAVE A WHOLE NOTEBOOK I COULD SHARE WITH
8:29:25PM YOU.
8:29:25PM >>BILL CARLSON: ANYWAY, IF SOMEBODY COULD RESOLVE THAT, THAT
8:29:29PM WOULD BE GREAT.
8:29:29PM ON THE RECONCILIATION ISSUE, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE WHERE IT
8:29:33PM WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY AS A WHOLE IF THE
8:29:36PM COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT WORKED WITH ALL OF US AND WE ALL
8:29:40PM GOT ON THE SAME PAGE.
8:29:41PM AND WE CAN'T VOTE TO DESIGNATE ANYBODY IN PARTICULAR, BUT
8:29:45PM THAT CLARIFICATION THAT YOU JUST MADE WOULD HAVE BEEN
8:29:48PM HELPFUL IF THE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT HAD SENT THAT OUT.
8:29:51PM OTHERWISE WE'RE ALL SCRAMBLING TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT
8:29:54PM EXACTLY IT SAID, TRYING TO FIND THE DOCUMENTS BECAUSE WE GOT
8:29:58PM BLINDSIDED BY THE MEDIA THE OTHER DAY.
8:30:00PM I'M NOT CRITICIZING ANYBODY.
8:30:01PM I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE WORKED
8:30:04PM TOGETHER ON IT.
8:30:05PM AS YOU ALL KNOW, DR. VAUGHN AT UT IS LEAVING AND HE'S GOT A
8:30:10PM BIG EVENT HAPPENING ON MARCH 22.
8:30:12PM THE MAYOR AND COUNTY COMMISSION, EVERYBODY ELSE IS GIVING
8:30:15PM THEM A COMMENDATION ALREADY AND UT ASKED IF WE COULD ALSO
8:30:18PM GET A COMMENDATION.
8:30:19PM I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CREATE A COMMENDATION FOR
8:30:22PM DR. RON VAUGHN FOR HIS YEARS OF SERVICE AS PRESIDENT AT
8:30:25PM UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA TO BE PRESENTED OFF-SITE ON MARCH 22,
8:30:28PM 2024.
8:30:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
8:30:30PM CARLSON.
8:30:31PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
8:30:32PM ALL IN FAVOR?
8:30:32PM AYE.
8:30:33PM ANY OPPOSED.
8:30:34PM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK THAT IS AN EVENT THAT EVERYBODY IS
8:30:36PM INVITED TO.
8:30:37PM I'M NOT GOING TO PRESENT IT.
8:30:39PM IT WILL BE THERE WITH ALL THE OTHERS.
8:30:42PM HE WAS ONE OF MY PROFESSORS BACK IN 1987.
8:30:47PM '94, I THINK.
8:30:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
8:30:53PM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
8:30:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ABOUT THE RENAMING THING.
8:30:58PM THIS IS NOT GOING TO MAKE FRIENDS, AND THIS AGAIN GOES BACK
8:31:04PM TO COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON AND THE PROPOSED WORKSHOP, IT
8:31:09PM SHOULDN'T BE THIS HARD AND THIS COMPLICATED.
8:31:11PM IF IT IS, WE PROBABLY DID THE WRONG THING TO BEGIN WITH AND
8:31:15PM WE NEED TO LET THIS DIE A PEACEFUL DEATH AND MOVE ON FROM
8:31:19PM THAT POINT.
8:31:20PM IF IT COMES UP AGAIN, SOMEBODY PROPOSES, WE CAN EVALUATE AT
8:31:23PM THAT POINT.
8:31:25PM I WOULDN'T DO THE RECONCILIATION.
8:31:26PM QUESTION ASKED NOT DEALING WITH IT --
8:31:31PM >>BILL CARLSON: TALKING ABOUT RECONCILIATION OR NAMING.
8:31:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: RENAMING, BECAUSE YOU ASKED SOMETHING
8:31:36PM ABOUT GETTING TOGETHER.
8:31:37PM >>BILL CARLSON: BUT YOU HAVE HARD FEELINGS ON BOTH SIDES.
8:31:39PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE ON BOTH SIDES.
8:31:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WORKSHOP IT.
8:31:45PM AND IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BRING FORTH ANOTHER PROPOSAL FOR
8:31:48PM ANOTHER RENAMING, THEN WE CAN DEAL WITH IT AT THAT POINT ON
8:31:51PM THE MERITS OF THAT PARTICULAR QUESTION.
8:31:55PM >>BILL CARLSON: SO IN PUBLIC COMMENT, YVETTE LEWIS BROUGHT
8:31:59PM UP NAACP.
8:32:00PM I'LL THROW THIS OUT SEE WHAT YOU THINK.
8:32:02PM MOTION TO ASK CITY STAFF TO REPORT ON FEBRUARY 1st AS TO
8:32:05PM THE STATUS OF THE NACP CONTRACT AND THE PAYMENT TO THEM.
8:32:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
8:32:13PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
8:32:14PM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON AND THEN COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
8:32:18PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU GO BACK AND LOOK.
8:32:19PM IT WAS A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM WHERE WE PASSED -- THERE WAS
8:32:24PM THE LANGUAGE FOR THEIR CURRENT CONTRACT.
8:32:26PM IT WAS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
8:32:29PM WHAT WAS REQUIRED OF THE NAACP IN ORDER TO GET THEIR FUNDS.
8:32:32PM THEY DIDN'T GET THEIR FUNDS LAST YEAR, SO THAT PART IS MAYBE
8:32:36PM SOMETHING WE DEFINITELY NEED TO ADDRESS.
8:32:39PM BUT WE DEFINITELY HAD LANGUAGE FROM OUR LAWYERS DRAWN UP ON
8:32:43PM THE CONSENT AGENDA A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO REGARDING THEIR
8:32:47PM FUNDING.
8:32:48PM AND SO, OF COURSE, WE DON'T COMMENT DURING PUBLIC COMMENT,
8:32:51PM BUT I JUST WANT TO RECOMMEND THAT EVERYONE GO BACK AND LOOK
8:32:54PM AT THAT LANGUAGE OF THE CRITERIA THAT IS BEING REQUIRED OF
8:33:00PM THE NAACP IN ORDER TO RECEIVE FUNDS.
8:33:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
8:33:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ALONG THAT LINE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
8:33:09PM REQUIREMENTS FOR EVERYONE WHO RECEIVES FUNDS ARE THE SAME
8:33:14PM BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'VE HEARD IS THAT IT'S NOT THE
8:33:17PM SAME.
8:33:18PM SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS THE SAME FOR EVERYONE
8:33:20PM REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH MONEY THEY ARE GETTING.
8:33:23PM THERE'S ABSOLUTELY WE NEED PEOPLE TO BE ACCOUNTABLE, BUT WE
8:33:28PM SHOULD BE SETTING EXPECTATIONS THAT ARE REASONABLE FOR
8:33:32PM EVERYONE TO REACH.
8:33:34PM I WANT THEM TO ALL BE THE SAME.
8:33:38PM FAIRNESS.
8:33:38PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: IF WE DIDN'T PULL IT FROM THE AGENDA,
8:33:41PM THAT'S WHY IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE DIDN'T PULL IT FROM THE
8:33:44PM AGENDA AND LOOK AT THE DETAILS OF IT.
8:33:46PM THAT'S ONE OF THOSE NEOPHYTE THINGS I'M LEARNING.
8:33:49PM NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY WE PULL AGENDA ITEMS FROM CONSENT
8:33:55PM BECAUSE THOSE DETAILS, I READ IT AND IT JUST SEEMED
8:33:58PM REASONABLE TO ME, AND THEN NO ONE CAME TO COUNCIL TO DISPUTE
8:34:03PM THOSE, SO I THOUGHT IT WAS OKAY.
8:34:05PM AND IT APPEARS TO BE A CHALLENGE FOR THEM.
8:34:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
8:34:13PM SORRY.
8:34:14PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [INAUDIBLE]
8:34:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND SECOND FOR FEBRUARY 1st
8:34:18PM UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
8:34:19PM NEXT THURSDAY.
8:34:21PM YOUR MIKE.
8:34:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU HAVE TWO REVIEW HEARINGS AND I DON'T
8:34:36PM KNOW WHAT ELSE, BUT IT IS A ONE-WEEK MOTION AND STAFF IS
8:34:41PM ASKING, CLERK IS ASKING.
8:34:43PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: SOME OF THESE MOTIONS, ESPECIALLY IF THEY
8:34:45PM REQUIRE RESEARCH FROM STAFF, WE MAY NEED MORE THAN A WEEK TO
8:34:49PM TURN IT AROUND.
8:34:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE, CITY COUNCIL HAS
8:34:53PM ALWAYS HAD A STANDING POLICY TO AVOID ONE-WEEK MOTIONS.
8:35:00PM >>BILL CARLSON: CHANGE TO THE 15th.
8:35:02PM THE REASON I MADE IT THE 1st IS THEY HAVE BEEN WAITING
8:35:05PM MORE THAN A YEAR AND ALREADY PROVIDED THE SERVICES.
8:35:07PM I'LL LET THEM MAKE THE ARGUMENT.
8:35:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FOR FEBRUARY 15th UNDER STAFF
8:35:11PM REPORTS.
8:35:11PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
8:35:12PM ALL IN FAVOR?
8:35:13PM AYE.
8:35:14PM ANY OPPOSED?
8:35:15PM >>BILL CARLSON: TWO MORE REAL FAST.
8:35:17PM SORRY.
8:35:18PM WE TALKED TODAY.
8:35:22PM ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT'S GETTING WORSE AND WORSE I THINK,
8:35:25PM AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS TODAY IS THAT
8:35:28PM WE'RE NOT GETTING WHAT'S CALLED DATA DUMP UNTIL THE NIGHT
8:35:32PM BEFORE.
8:35:33PM BIG SECTIONS OF PRESENTATIONS CAME IN YESTERDAY AND SOME OF
8:35:36PM THEM LAST NIGHT.
8:35:37PM SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK STAFF TO PRESENT A
8:35:43PM DRAFT ORDINANCE ON MARCH 7 THAT WILL REQUIRE AGENDA ITEMS TO
8:35:46PM BE AUTOMATICALLY CONTINUED FOR A WEEK IF THE FULL
8:35:50PM PRESENTATION AND BACKUP MATERIALS ARE NOT IN THE ONLINE
8:35:53PM PUBLIC DATABASE AS OF 5 P.M. THE FRIDAY BEFORE.
8:35:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
8:35:59PM CARLSON.
8:36:00PM SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
8:36:01PM ALL IN FAVOR?
8:36:01PM AYE.
8:36:02PM ANY OPPOSED?
8:36:04PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT.
8:36:06PM ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT --
8:36:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MIKE CHECK.
8:36:12PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU NUMBER 15.
8:36:13PM I APPRECIATE IT.
8:36:14PM ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS THINKING, EVEN WHEN I WAS
8:36:17PM TALKING TO STAFF THE OTHER DAY ABOUT SOMETHING IS THAT THEIR
8:36:21PM WORKLOAD IS PRETTY HEAVY.
8:36:23PM I THINK THAT SOMETIMES THEY ARE STILL WORKING ON IT AND THEY
8:36:26PM ARE TRYING TO GET IT TO US AT THE LAST MINUTE AND I DON'T
8:36:29PM KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE COULD DO ABOUT THAT, IF IT'S A
8:36:32PM NEED FOR MORE TIME, CAN THEY ASK FOR IT.
8:36:36PM AND TELL US THAT, LOOK, WE NEED MORE TIME AND THAT'S WHY
8:36:41PM IT'S IN THERE LATE.
8:36:42PM I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT APPEARS TO BE SOMETIMES.
8:36:45PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: IF I COULD INTERRUPT.
8:36:47PM APPRECIATE IF YOU WOULD ALLOW CHIEF BENNETT TO ADDRESS THAT
8:36:50PM MOTION.
8:36:50PM BECAUSE PART OF THE PROBLEM GOES TO YOU ALL MAKE A LOT OF
8:36:53PM MOTIONS.
8:36:54PM AND SOME OF THE MOTIONS YOU ASK FOR VERY QUICKLY.
8:36:57PM AND IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME FOR STAFF AND LEGAL TO PULL ALL
8:37:00PM THE INFORMATION TOGETHER TO GIVE YOU, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ALL
8:37:03PM WANT IT IN WRITTEN FORM, WHICH SEEMS TO BE THE TREND NOW.
8:37:08PM USED TO BE A LOT OF THESE PRESENTATIONS WERE MADE VERBALLY
8:37:10PM AND NOT IN WRITING.
8:37:12PM IF YOU WANT ALL THIS BACKUP IN ADVANCE ON THE AGENDA, THEN
8:37:16PM ONE OF THE THINGS WE REALLY NEED TO WORK ON TOGETHER IS YOU
8:37:19PM ALL, WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR MOTIONS NEED TO GIVE STAFF
8:37:22PM SUFFICIENT TIME TO PUT THAT MATERIAL TOGETHER, KNOWING THAT
8:37:25PM YOU ALREADY MADE, WE ALREADY HAVE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE
8:37:28PM CALENDAR, A GAZILLION MOTIONS VIRTUALLY FOR EVERY MEETING.
8:37:33PM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I READ THE LAST ONE?
8:37:35PM WE PASSED THAT ONE ALREADY.
8:37:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE ONE THING TO SAY ABOUT IT, THAT I DID
8:37:41PM SPEAK TO CHIEF BENNETT ABOUT THIS ON TUESDAY AND SAID THAT
8:37:46PM IT WAS A PROBLEM, THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE INFORMATION.
8:37:48PM BUT ALSO, I JUST WANT TO SAY RIGHT NOW PUBLICLY TO STAFF
8:37:51PM THAT IF THERE'S ANY MOTION I'VE MADE THAT THEY NEED MORE
8:37:54PM TIME ON, I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THEM COME TO ME.
8:37:58PM I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR EVERYONE, BUT I'M HAPPY TO EXTEND
8:38:02PM TIME WHERE IT'S NECESSARY.
8:38:05PM BUT NOT HAVING THE BACKUP MATERIAL MAKES IT INCREDIBLY HARD
8:38:08PM FOR US TO COME IN BASICALLY BLIND.
8:38:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE DIDN'T VOTE ON IT.
8:38:16PM WE DID?
8:38:16PM OKAY.
8:38:18PM I'M SORRY.
8:38:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU'RE DIRECTING THE STAFF, WHICH IS THE
8:38:22PM LEGAL DEPARTMENT, NOW BECAUSE OF THAT IS TO GENERATE AN
8:38:24PM ORDINANCE, WHICH IS A WHOLE PROCESS IN AND OF ITSELF BEFORE
8:38:27PM YOU HAVE THE DISCUSSION.
8:38:29PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: I'M ASKING AS A MATTER OF COURTESY, IF YOU
8:38:32PM WOULD ALLOW --
8:38:33PM >>BILL CARLSON: MY MOTION IS TO HAVE IT ON THAT DATE, IF HE
8:38:35PM WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS IT ON THAT DAY, WE'RE NOT VOTING ON IT
8:38:39PM YET.
8:38:39PM JUST TO PRESENT A DRAFT ORDINANCE.
8:38:47PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: AND THAT'S FINE.
8:38:48PM THAT DAY, WE MAY NOT HAVE AN ORDINANCE TO PRESENT.
8:38:51PM IT MAY BE A DISCUSSION BETWEEN YOU AND THE ADMINISTRATION
8:38:54PM ABOUT WHETHER WE NEED THAT ORDINANCE.
8:38:56PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST LIKE WITH ANY ITEM WE MAKE A MOTION, IF
8:38:59PM YOU WANT TO TALK OFF-LINE.
8:39:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ONE LAST THING, MR. CARLSON, TO CLOSE THE
8:39:05PM LOOP ON THIS DISCUSSION, IN TERMS OF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR
8:39:08PM YOUR AGENDA, THERE MAY BE A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF STAFF
8:39:13PM REPORTS ON EACH MEETING.
8:39:15PM THERE MAY BE A LIMIT AS TO THE NUMBER OF STAFF REPORTS FOR
8:39:18PM EACH COUNCIL MEMBER.
8:39:20PM FOR INSTANCE, ONE COUNCIL MEMBER MAY ONLY HAVE ONE STAFF
8:39:22PM REPORT, MAYBE TWO, WHATEVER THE POLICY IS.
8:39:25PM SO YOU COULD HAVE LESS WORK SPECIFICALLY FOR THE STAFF
8:39:31PM BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU KNOW THIS, BUT IT'S
8:39:34PM MANUALLY DONE IN THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
8:39:36PM THE MASTER LIST OF CITY COUNCIL GENERATED ORDINANCES, EXCUSE
8:39:40PM ME, MOTIONS, IS A MASTER WORK THAT HAS TO BE MANUALLY
8:39:45PM UPDATED EVERY WEEK.
8:39:47PM >>MORRIS MASSEY: WE DO IT EVERY WEEK.
8:39:48PM SO YOU ARE AWARE, EVERY MONDAY, EVERY ATTORNEY IN THE LEGAL
8:39:51PM DEPARTMENT MEETS FOR OVER AN HOUR TO GO THROUGH THAT LIST TO
8:39:54PM TRACK WHERE YOU ALL -- WHERE WE ARE ON THE MOTIONS AND IT
8:39:58PM TAKES AT LEAST AN HOUR, SOMETIMES MORE.
8:40:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
8:40:03PM >>LUIS VIERA: ON THE MOTION WE JUST PASSED, I THINK IT'S
8:40:07PM REASONABLE TO EXPECT -- AND I WANT TO STAND UP FOR MR.
8:40:09PM MASSEY AS AN ATTORNEY, THAT WE WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION ON
8:40:14PM THAT, THE LIKELIHOOD WITH THEIR BIG CASELOAD AND THE TONS OF
8:40:18PM WORK THAT THEY ARE DOING OF ACTUALLY GETTING A DRAFT
8:40:21PM ORDINANCE ON THAT DAY IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE LOW.
8:40:24PM AGAIN, THAT'S BETWEEN THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND COUNCILMAN
8:40:26PM CARLSON.
8:40:27PM FROM MY VIEW, I WOULD BE SHOCKED IF THERE WAS AN ORDINANCE
8:40:30PM BY THAT TIME.
8:40:31PM AGAIN, IT'S BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES.
8:40:35PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE LAST ONE, IF I MAY, SORRY TO HOLD US UP.
8:40:38PM IF YOU GUYS WANT TO REJECT THIS, GO AHEAD.
8:40:41PM TODAY WAS THE FIRST TIME I KNEW THAT THE CITY HIRED PRIVATE
8:40:45PM INVESTIGATORS.
8:40:46PM I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK CITY STAFF TO REPORT ON
8:40:49PM MARCH 7 AS TO THE BUDGET, CONTRACTS, AND USAGE OF PRIVATE
8:40:52PM INVESTIGATORS.
8:40:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
8:40:54PM CARLSON.
8:40:55PM DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
8:40:59PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU WANT TO KNOW PUBLICLY OR IN A REPORT?
8:41:02PM DO THEY HAVE TO COME BEFORE US?
8:41:04PM >>BILL CARLSON: THEY DON'T HAVE TO TELL US ABOUT THE CASES
8:41:06PM THEY ARE WORKING ON, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH DO WE
8:41:09PM SPEND WITH PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS?
8:41:10PM HOW MANY ARE THERE?
8:41:11PM HOW DO WE PICK THEM?
8:41:12PM A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTURAL FIRMS
8:41:15PM AND PEOPLE WHO SUPPLY FURNITURE AND EVERYTHING.
8:41:18PM IF WE'RE USING PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS, I'D LIKE TO KNOW
8:41:21PM GENERALLY WHAT ARE WE USING THEM FOR.
8:41:23PM >>LUIS VIERA: AND MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE GOTTEN
8:41:26PM THROUGH A PRIVATE INQUIRY BETWEEN THE COUNCILMAN AND STAFF.
8:41:30PM I WOULD ALSO BE WORRIED THAT IF PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS ARE
8:41:33PM BEING USED ON CASES, ONGOING CASES, THE LEVEL OF SPECIFICITY
8:41:37PM REQUIRED THAT COULD GET INTO PRIVATE ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT
8:41:40PM AND THOUGHTS ON A PARTICULAR CASE, ET CETERA.
8:41:44PM BY THE WAY, AS AN ATTORNEY, I USE PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS ALL
8:41:49PM THE TIME.
8:41:49PM THAT'S JUST PART OF WHAT WE DO.
8:41:54PM >>BILL CARLSON: HOW ABOUT THIS?
8:41:55PM IF I CHANGE IT TO SAY MOTION TO ASK CITY STAFF TO PRIVATELY
8:42:00PM BRIEF COUNCIL MEMBERS AS TO THE BUDGET, CONTRACTS, AND USAGE
8:42:05PM OF PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS.
8:42:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
8:42:08PM CARLSON.
8:42:08PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
8:42:11PM ALL IN FAVOR?
8:42:11PM AYE.
8:42:12PM ANY OPPOSED?
8:42:12PM MR. MASSEY, ANY NEW BUSINESS.
8:42:20PM >> RECEIVE AND FILE.
8:42:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
8:42:22PM MIRANDA.
8:42:23PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
8:42:24PM ALL IN FAVOR?
8:42:24PM AYE.
8:42:25PM WE ARE ADJOURNED!
8:42:26PM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
DISCLAIMER:
THIS FILE REPRESENTS AN UNEDITED VERSION OF REALTIME
CAPTIONING WHICH SHOULD NEITHER BE RELIED UPON FOR COMPLETE
ACCURACY NOR USED AS A VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT.
ANY PERSON WHO NEEDS A VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT OF THE
PROCEEDINGS MAY NEED TO HIRE A COURT REPORTER.