TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 8, 2024, 5:01 P.M.

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5:05:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HELLO, EVERYONE.
WELCOME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
AT THIS TIME, MAY I HAVE ROLL CALL, PLEASE?
5:05:58PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
5:05:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
5:06:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
5:06:02PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PRESENT.
5:06:05PM >> VIERA?
MIRANDA?
5:06:06PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
5:06:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
5:06:08PM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
5:06:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, MA'AM, MS. DOCK.
5:06:12PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL.
LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.

I WOULD LIKE TO CLEAR THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING, IF I MAY.
ON ITEM NUMBER 1, THERE IS A REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT TO
CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO MARCH 21st, 2024 AT 5:01 P.M.
5:06:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MAY I HAVE A MOTION?
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
5:06:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AGAIN, CAN WE HAVE THE DATE, TIME, AND
LOCATION?
5:06:42PM >>THE CLERK:
MEETING WILL BE HELD AT OLD CITY HALL, 315 EAST
KENNEDY BOULEVARD, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
THE TIME WILL BE 5:01 P.M., MARCH 21st, 2024.
5:06:59PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:07:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
WHAT'S NEXT?
5:07:02PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
THE NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 10, REZ 23-112.
THIS ITEM IS A MISNOTICED AND WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE
AGENDA, PLEASE.
5:07:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO REMOVE ITEM 10?
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?

AYE.
ANYTHING ELSE?
5:07:23PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
THAT'S ALL THE ITEMS.
WHEN YOU ARE READY, WE'LL START WITH ITEM NUMBER 2.
5:07:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN ALL PUBLIC
HEARINGS?
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, SECOND FROM VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE OPEN.
5:07:38PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BEFORE WE BEGIN, WITH REGARD TO ALL OF THIS
EVENING'S PUBLIC HEARINGS, I WOULD LIKE COUNCIL TO MAKE A
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE ALL EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS,
WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE AND MADE
AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, IF YOU CAN DO THAT AS A MOTION,
PLEASE.
5:07:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
5:07:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND A REMINDER, COUNCIL, WHEN THE TIME
COMES BEFORE EACH HEARING, IF THERE HAVE BEEN ANY VERBAL EX
PARTE COMMUNICATIONS THAT NEED TO BE DISCLOSED, PLEASE DO SO
AT THE TIME AND I'LL REMIND YOU WITH REGARD TO LATER ITEMS,
I'LL BRING THAT UP AGAIN.

THANK YOU.
5:08:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
YES, MA'AM.
ITEM NUMBER 2.
5:08:16PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
YES, DO WE WANT TO SWEAR?
5:08:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SORRY ABOUT THAT.
BEFORE WE BEGIN, I BELIEVE THIS WILL BE LOGISTICALLY
DIFFERENT, IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN TO COUNCIL HOW WE'RE GOING
TO HANDLE THAT.
5:08:28PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
YES.
SO ITEM NUMBER 2 WE WILL HAVE CLOSED CAPTIONING SERVICES.
AND THIS IS FOR THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS THE SCREEN THAT YOU
SEE BEFORE YOU.
ONE THING THAT WE ASK IS A FRIENDLY REMINDER, AS COUNCIL
SPEAKS AND DURING DISCUSSIONS, IF YOU COULD ENSURE THAT YOUR
MIKES ARE TURNED ON AND THAT WAY IT COULD BE CAPTURED ON THE
CAPTIONING.
5:08:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
LET'S DO THIS.
IF ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK ON ANY ITEM THAT'S ON THE AGENDA,
PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND WE'LL SWEAR YOU
IN.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO SPEAK, PRESENT, GIVE COMMENT, PLEASE
STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND WE'LL SWEAR YOU IN.
5:09:09PM >> DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO

GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
5:09:14PM >> I DO.
5:09:15PM >> THANK YOU.
5:09:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
5:09:17PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL.
ITEM 2 IS REZ-23-101 FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4170 EAST
HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE.
THE APPLICANT IS REPRESENTED BY RICHARD MARCEAU.
THIS REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY.
THIS PROPERTY HAS A DUAL ZONING.
IT HAS RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY 24, RM-24 ON THE NORTHERN
PORTION OF THE PROPERTY AND THEN ALONG THE SOUTH IT HAS CI,
COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE ZONING AS IT FRONTS HILLSBOROUGH
AVENUE.
THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO PD, PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT, AND THIS IS TO ALLOW FOR VEHICLE REPAIR MAJOR
RETAIL SALES SHOPPERS GOODS AND OPEN STORAGE ON-SITE.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO EMILY TO GO OVER THE PLANNING
COMMISSION'S REPORT AND I'LL COME BACK AND GIVE MY REPORT.
5:10:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, MA'AM.
GO AHEAD.
5:10:15PM >> CAN YOU SEE THE SCREEN?

5:10:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
DO YOU HAVE AN OVERHEAD?
OKAY.
WE'LL GET THE OVERHEAD ON HERE.
IT'S COMING.
ALL RIGHT.
THERE WE GO.
GO AHEAD.
5:10:42PM >>> EMILY PHELAN, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CENTRAL TAMPA
PLANNING DISTRICT AND THE EAST TAMPA URBAN VILLAGE AND
NORTHEAST COMMUNITY NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE COASTAL PLANNING AREA,
SPECIFICALLY EVACUATION ZONE E.
THE SURROUNDING AREA CONTAINS A MIXTURE OF USES WITH
COMMERCIAL USES ALONG EAST HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE AND
MULTIFAMILY USES TO THE NORTH, EAST, AND WEST OF THE SUBJECT
SITE.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS HERE OUTLINED IN PURPLE, AND IT IS
REPRESENTED BY THE CC 35 COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL 35 FUTURE LAND
USE DESIGNATION, WHICH IS THE RED, WHICH IS ALSO ALONG EAST
HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE.
AND THE SMALL PORTION IN THE BACK IS THE RESIDENTIAL 35
DESIGNATION, WHICH IS ALSO TO THE NORTH WHERE THAT
MULTIFAMILY IS.

AND TO THE NORTHWEST OF THE SUBJECT SITE IS RESIDENTIAL 20
AND FURTHER IS THE RESIDENTIAL 10.
5:11:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
EXCUSE ME, I'M SORRY.
IS THAT MICROPHONE ON?
IS IT GREEN?
THE BAR UP FRONT?
5:11:46PM >>EMILY PHELAN:
YES, SIR.
5:11:48PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M SORRY.
SOMEBODY IN THE AUDIENCE HAS INDICATED THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO
HEAR THE TESTIMONY.
5:11:53PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MARTY, THE SAME THING WHEN YOU WERE SPEAKING
EARLIER, I DON'T THINK IT WAS GOING THROUGH THE
AMPLIFICATION.
5:11:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COULD THE FOLKS IN THE BACK MAYBE RAISE
THE VOLUME OR AMPLIFICATION FOR THE MICROPHONES?
5:12:04PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
5:12:05PM >>EMILY PHELAN:
DO I NEED TO REPEAT ANYTHING?
5:12:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT PICKED IT UP ON THE CLOSED
CAPTIONING.
YEAH, JUST CONTINUE.
5:12:12PM >>EMILY PHELAN:
OKAY.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
VEHICULAR REPAIR, ACCESSORY OPEN STORAGE OFFICE AND RETAIL
SALES SHOP OR GOODS COULD BE CONSIDERED ON THE CC 35
DESIGNATION.

THESE USES TYPICALLY CANNOT BE CONSIDERED IN THE RESIDENTIAL
35 DESIGNATION.
HOWEVER, DUE TO THE SITE BEING WITHIN THE EAST TAMPA URBAN
VILLAGE, THE SITE IS ELIGIBLE TO UTILIZE LAND USE POLICY
5.1.6.
THIS POLICY ALLOWS THE APPLICANT TO PROPORTIONALLY WEIGH THE
FLOOR AREA RATIO AND PERMITTED USES WITHIN THE CC 35
DESIGNATION THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SITE THROUGH A PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT.
PER NOTE 4 ON THE SITE PLAN, THE APPLICANT IS UTILIZING THIS
POLICY.
THIS POLICY ALSO REQUIRES MITIGATION OF ALL OFF-SITE IMPACTS
TO SURROUNDING USES.
THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING A 15-FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE
PORTIONS OF THE SITE ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL USES.
THE SITE IS WITHIN A MIXED USE CORRIDOR AND ALONG A TRANSIT
EMPHASIS CORRIDOR.
THROUGH THE -- THOUGH THE DEVELOPMENT IS INTENSIVE IN
NATURE, THE APPLICANT ATTEMPTS TO ADDRESS THE MIXED USE
CENTERS AND CORRIDOR POLICIES BY PROVIDING A FIVE FOOT
PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY THAT CONNECTS THE ENTRANCES TO THE
SHOWROOM SALES FLOOR TO THE SIDEWALK ON EAST HILLSBOROUGH
AVENUE AND A CONNECTION IS PROPOSED TO THE PARKING AREA,
WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH LAND USE POLICY 15.2.6.
GIVEN THE INTENSE NATURE OF THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL USES AND

THE EXISTING BUILDING LOCATIONS, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF
FINDS THE REQUEST ATTEMPTS TO ADDRESS THE MIXED USE CENTERS
AND CORRIDOR POLICIES.
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF REQUESTS THAT BETWEEN FIRST AND
SECOND READING THE APPLICANT LABEL ALL BUILDING ENTRANCES.
IN CONCLUSION, THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE OVERALL
POLICY AND DIRECTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
5:13:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
NO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
5:14:02PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
THANK YOU AGAIN, COUNCIL.
LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
AND THIS PD REQUEST WOULD ALLOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF 6,215
SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL USES ON-SITE.
THIS PARCEL MEASURES APPROXIMATELY 150 FEET IN WIDTH.
THIS IS THE FRONTAGE, WHICH IS ON HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE.
IT'S 306 FEET IN DEPTH.
THIS PD ALLOWS FOR THE USES OF MAJOR VEHICLE REPAIR.
THE RETAIL SALES SHOPPER GOODS, ALONG WITH OPEN STORAGE USE
ON-SITE.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE EAST TAMPA OVERLAY, AND IT
MUST COMPLY WITH EAST TAMPA OVERLAY STANDARDS AT THE TIME OF
PERMITTING.

I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW THE SITE PLAN.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN SUBMITTED.
SO THIS IS HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE, AND THIS IS THE PROPERTY
BOUNDARY.
SO THIS LINE HERE -- THIS IS THE LINE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL,
WHICH IS LOCATED TO THE NORTH.
THE CURRENT ZONING OF THE RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY 24 AND
YOUR CI ZONING, COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE, IS LOCATED ON THE
SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE.
THERE IS ONE POINT OF ENTRY TO THE SITE, AND THAT IS ON EAST
HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE.
THE FIVE BUILDINGS ARE IDENTIFIED AND NUMBERED ON THE SITE
PLAN.
THIS IS BUILDING NUMBER ONE.
THIS IS BUILDING NUMBER TWO.
BUILDING NUMBER THREE IS THE OFFICE, WHICH WOULD REMAIN, THE
MODULAR OFFICE.
THEN THERE IS BUILDING FOUR AND BUILDING FIVE.
BUILDING FIVE CURRENTLY EXISTS AND IT IS ON THE EASTERN
PROPERTY LINE.
THERE IS NOT MUCH OF A SETBACK AS IT EXISTS TODAY, BUT THE
APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO MOVE THAT BUILDING.
IT WOULD BE REBUILT AND PROVIDE THIS 15-FOOT REQUIRED
BUFFER.
IN THE PICTURES I WILL SHOW YOU, YOU'LL SEE THE MULTIFAMILY

THAT EXISTS TO THE NORTH, THE EAST, ALONG THIS BOUNDARY OF
THE SITE.
AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THAT 15-FOOT BUFFER REQUIREMENT HAS
BEEN PROVIDED ALL ALONG THE NORTH.
THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO PROVIDE THAT.
SURFACE PARKING IS PROVIDED ON THE SITE.
THERE'S SURFACE PARKING LOCATED HERE BY THE OFFICE BUILDING,
AND THEN THERE'S SURFACE PARKING SPACES LOCATED HERE IN
FRONT OF THE BUILDING ONE, WHICH WOULD CONTAIN THE SALES
FLOOR.
SO THERE IS A WALKWAY, PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY PROVIDED HERE, AND
THAT WOULD CONNECT TO THE SIDEWALK ON EAST HILLSBOROUGH
AVENUE.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW THE AERIAL OF THE SITE.
SO THIS IS THE SITE LOCATED ON HILLSBOROUGH.
THIS IS HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE.
THIS IS 40th STREET.
SO THIS IS THE SITE THAT'S LOCATED HERE IN RED.
YOU CAN SEE THE RM 24 ZONING ON THE NORTH END OF THE
PROPERTY.
SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY YOU HAVE YOUR PD ZONING, PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS TO THE NORTH.
THAT CONTAINS RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY USES.
ALONG HILLSBOROUGH, ALONG THIS PORTION OF THIS CORRIDOR, YOU
HAVE YOUR COMMERCIAL AND YOUR COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE USES.

YOU HAVE YOUR CI ZONING TO THE EAST AND TO THE WEST.
PD ZONING AND THEN THE COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE, AND THESE USES
ARE MOSTLY COMMERCIAL IN CHARACTER.
AS YOU HEAD FURTHER SOUTH, YOU GET INTO YOUR RESIDENTIAL
SINGLE-FAMILY ZONE AND THE SAME AS YOU HEAD FURTHER NORTH.
YOU HAVE YOUR RS 50 ZONING DISTRICTS.
AND I HAVE A FEW PICTURES OF THE SITE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO
SHARE.
SO THIS IS THE SITE LOCATED HERE ON HILLSBOROUGH.
THIS IS IF YOU ARE ON HILLSBOROUGH LOOKING AT THE SITE.
THAT'S ANOTHER VIEW OF THE SITE.
THIS IS THE SITE IF YOU'RE LOOKING EAST ON HILLSBOROUGH.
AND THIS IS A VIEW IF YOU'RE LOOKING WEST ON HILLSBOROUGH.
THE SITE IS OFF TO THE RIGHT.
SO THE SURROUNDING USES SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY, THIS IS TO
THE WEST OF THE SITE.
ON HILLSBOROUGH.
THIS IS FURTHER WEST.
THIS IS THE OTHER PD THAT'S TO THE WEST.
THIS IS THE HOTEL USE.
SO THIS IS NORTH OF THE SITE.
THIS IS RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY.
THAT'S NORTH.
YOU ACCESS THAT MULTIFAMILY ON 43rd STREET.
THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW.

THIS IS THE ENTRANCE TO THAT RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY
DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS IMMEDIATELY EAST OF THE SITE, AND THIS IS A
COMMERCIAL USE THAT GOES ALONG WITH THIS USE, WHICH IS THE
VEHICLE SALES.
THIS IS SOUTH OF THE SITE ACROSS HILLSBOROUGH AND THEN THIS
IS ANOTHER VIEW SOUTH OF THE SITE ACROSS HILLSBOROUGH
AVENUE.
THE DRC STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE REQUEST AND FINDS THE REQUEST
INCONSISTENT.
SEE THE FINDINGS FROM TRANSPORTATION AND IT'S RELATED TO THE
PARKING WAIVER REQUESTED.
NOTWITHSTANDING STAFF'S FINDING OF INCONSISTENCY.
IF CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THE APPLICATION, THE MODIFICATIONS
ON THE SITE PLAN AS SHOWN ON THE SUBMITTED REVISION SHEET
MUST BE COMPLETED BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
THESE REVISIONS WILL NOT RESOLVE THE ISSUES FOR
TRANSPORTATION AND THEIR FINDINGS OF INCONSISTENT.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
5:19:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
NO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:19:04PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
5:19:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE FOR ITEM

NUMBER 2?
APPLICANT?
5:19:20PM >> DANIEL TRUONG.
5:19:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SIR, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE SWORN IN.
RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
5:19:32PM >> RICHARD MARCEAU.
5:19:33PM >>THE CLERK:
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE
ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
5:19:38PM >> YES.
5:19:40PM >>THE CLERK:
THANK YOU.
5:19:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
GO AHEAD, SIR.
5:19:44PM >> DANIEL WANTS TO MOVE HIS SHOP DOWN TO HILLSBOROUGH
AVENUE.
HE HIRED ME AS A CIVIL ENGINEER TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.
HE DECIDED HE WANTED TO GET RID OF THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING ON
THE NORTH SIDE, SO WE APPLIED FOR THE REZONE.
CURRENTLY, HE RENTS IT OUT TO A VEHICLE REPAIR COMPANY.
THAT GUY HAS BEEN THERE FOR PROBABLY CLOSE TO TEN YEARS.
HE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN 2014 AND STARTED LEASING IT TO THE
AUTO REPAIR GUY.
SO THEY ARE GOING TO SPLIT THE SITE.
THE AUTO REPAIR IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE, ON THE EAST SIDE AND
HE WILL BE ON THE LEFT SIDE WITH HIS SHOP.
CURRENTLY UP ON ROWLETT PARK DRIVE.

THAT'S WHERE HIS OFFICE IS RIGHT NOW.
HE'S HOPING TO COMBINE THE TWO ZONINGS.
IF HE EVER DECIDES TO SELL, IT WOULD BE MORE ATTRACTIVE AND
HE HAS -- ONE OF HIS BUILDINGS RIGHT NOW IS ON RM 24 SIDE OF
THE PROPERTY.
IT'S AN OLDER -- THEY USE IT -- IT'S A FRAME REPAIR SHOP
RIGHT NOW.
TO PASS, THIS WILL BE CUT DOWN IN SIZE AND REBUILT.
IT'S NOT A REAL BIG BUILDING.
I THINK THAT'S -- YOU KNOW, HE'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR
QUITE A WHILE AND REALLY WANTS TO GET IT REZONED, WANTS TO
COMBINE THE ZONINGS.
SO ANY QUESTIONS?
5:21:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS?
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
5:22:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MS. DOCK.
THANK YOU.
THE GENTLEMAN SAID THAT ONE OF THE REASONS THEY WANT TO
REZONE THIS IS SO IT BECOMES MORE PALATABLE IF THEY WERE TO
SELL IT.
BUT THIS IS A PD, CORRECT?
5:22:21PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
CORRECT.
5:22:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEY COULD MAKE NO CHANGES TO THIS, ADDING
BUILDINGS, CHANGING USE, DOING ANYTHING UNLESS THEY CAME
BACK TO COUNCIL AGAIN, CORRECT?

5:22:32PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
CORRECT.
LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS REQUEST IS FOR A PD, SO THIS IS ON THE PROPERTY, THIS
PD ZONING, IF IT WERE APPROVED AND YOU COULD NOT CHANGE THE
USES WITHOUT COMING BEFORE COUNCIL TO RECEIVE APPROVAL.
5:22:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
SO IT CAN ONLY BE USED FOR VEHICLE REPAIR, MAJOR RETAIL
SALES, SHOPPER GOODS AND OPEN STORAGE.
5:22:54PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
CORRECT.
5:22:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WITH THE PARKING THE WAY IT IS AND THE
BUILDINGS WHERE THEY ARE.
5:22:58PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
CORRECT.
THIS PD CONTROLS THE PROPERTY AND THE USE.
5:23:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
THANK YOU.
5:23:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYBODY ELSE?
5:23:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEN I WANT TO ASK THE PETITIONER, DO YOU
UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THIS CHANGE DOES NOT REZONE THE
PROPERTY?
IT JUST SIMPLY ALLOWS YOUR FRIEND TO USE IT FOR WHAT HE
PLANS TO USE IT FOR, BUT IT IS NOT A REZONING THAT CAN THEN
BE TRANSFERRED TO OTHERS.
5:23:25PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
IF I MAY, COUNCIL, LaCHONE DOCK,
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.

THIS IS A REZONING TO A PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, AND THE
USES YOU WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE ON THE PROPERTY ARE
VEHICLE REPAIR MAJOR, RETAIL SALES SHOPPER GOODS AND OPEN
STORAGE.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY USES ALLOWED.
AND THIS PD PLAN CONTROLS THE SITE IF IT IS APPROVED.
5:23:50PM >> YOU SAY IT WOULDN'T BE REZONED?
5:23:53PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
REZONED TO PD FOR THIS USE AND THE
PLACEMENT.
5:23:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE EXACTLY AS THE SITE PLAN
SHOWS.
THERE COULD BE NO CHANGES UNLESS YOU CAME BACK TO COUNCIL
FOR ANOTHER REZONING.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?
DOES YOUR FRIEND UNDERSTAND THAT?
5:24:18PM >> WHAT SAY ABOUT NO REZONING?
5:24:29PM >> THE USES SHOWN HERE, INCLUDES VEHICLE REPAIR, MAJOR
RETAIL --
5:24:40PM >> MAYBE HE CAN MOVE IT OUT, TOO.
5:24:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HAVE YOU BEEN SWORN?
CAN YOU JUST TELL US YOUR NAME.
5:24:52PM >> I'M DANIEL TRUONG.
I'M THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT NOT REZONE, BUT I JUST WANTED THE
WHOLE PROPERTY BECOME ONE ZONE.

EVEN CHANGE THAT, PUT A DIFFERENT BUILDING FOR RENT OR
WHATEVER REASON, I CAN BE IN ONE ZONE.
5:25:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT THAT IS NOT HOW THIS WORKS.
I'LL LET MS. DOCK EXPLAIN.
5:25:21PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
YOUR REQUEST THAT IS HERE THIS EVENING IS TO REZONE THE
PROPERTY TO A PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS YOUR SITE PLAN WHICH WAS SUBMITTED INTO THE RECORD.
THIS IS YOUR SITE PLAN AND THE THREE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED
ARE THE VEHICLE REPAIR MAJOR, RETAIL SALES SHOPPER'S GOODS
AND OPEN STORAGE.
AND THIS IS YOUR SITE.
THIS EVENING, IF IT WERE APPROVED, YOU WOULD HAVE A REZONING
TO A PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT CONTROLLED BY THIS SITE PLAN.
5:25:53PM >> WHAT ARE WE CHANGING?
5:25:54PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
RIGHT NOW, IT IS CI, COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE
AND RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY.
THIS IS WHAT THIS IS.
THIS IS ONE COMPLETE --
5:26:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HIS QUESTION IS, WHAT HAPPENS IF HE CHANGES
IT AND YOU CANNOT CHANGE IT?
YOU HAVE TO COME BACK TO US, GO THROUGH A FULL PD PROCESS IF
YOU WANTED TO CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU
PRESENTED TODAY.
5:26:20PM >> I HAVE TO KEEP IT EXACTLY LIKE THAT.

5:26:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CORRECT.
5:26:22PM >> WHATEVER I CHANGE, IT'S NOT ALLOWED.
5:26:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
5:26:26PM >> I THINK I'M PROBABLY GOING TO CANCEL THAT.
SO IF WE WANT TO PUT DIFFERENT BUILDING, HAVE TO PULL
DIFFERENT PERMIT FOR THAT, RIGHT?
5:26:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU HAVE TO COME BACK TO US.
5:26:38PM >> IT'S VERY COMPLICATED.
5:26:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
5:26:43PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
SO WITH YOUR REQUEST THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY, IF YOU
WERE TO CHANGE ANY USES THAT WERE NOT LISTED ON THIS PLAN,
YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE COUNCIL.
5:26:55PM >> I THOUGHT REZONE, MAKE IT ONE ZONE DO WHATEVER AFTER.
5:26:59PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
AFTER TODAY, REZONE TO ONE, YOU WOULD HAVE
THE ONE PD BUT LIMITED TO THESE THREE USES.
VEHICLE REPAIR, RETAIL SALES, SHOPPER'S GOODS AND OPEN
STORAGE, WHICH IS WHAT YOU APPLIED FOR.
5:27:12PM >> I WANT IT TO BECOME ONE ZONE.
IT WOULD BE EASY TO DO WHATEVER, RENTAL BUILDING ON THERE,
WHATEVER.
5:27:19PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
ONE PD BUT LIMITED TO THESE PLACEMENTS OF
THE BUILDING.
5:27:23PM >> IF I WANT TO GET THE FRONT ONLY COMMERCIAL AND THE BACK
PARKING, I DON'T HAVE TO DO REZONE.

5:27:29PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
YOU HAVE TO STICK TO THIS.
THIS IS YOUR PLAN.
5:27:34PM >> STICK BY THAT, OKAY.
5:27:35PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
WOULD YOU LIKE TO --
5:27:39PM >> I DIDN'T KNOW IT HAVE TO BE LIKE THAT.
I THOUGHT A REZONE AND CHANGE IT LATER.
5:27:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WAS GOING TO SAY, IF WE'RE NOT SURE, NOW IS
A GOOD TIME TO REVISIT MAYBE A CONTINUANCE OR A REVOKING OF
THIS.
IF THIS IS NOT EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT, THEN I WOULD RECOMMEND
THAT YOU -- I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY THIS.
5:28:09PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MS. DOCK, WHAT IT APPEARS AND I DON'T WANT
TO SPEAK FOR YOU, SIR, BUT IT APPEARS THAT WHAT YOU'RE
LOOKING FOR IS THE FLEXIBILITY OF HAVING CHANGES OF USE
WITHIN YOUR PROPERTY, BUT YOU ALL WANT THE RESIDENTIAL AS
PART OF THE COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE.
IS THAT WHAT YOUR INTENTION IS?
5:28:26PM >> CORRECT, YES.
5:28:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I BELIEVE THAT YOU'LL HAVE TO WORK THAT OUT
BECAUSE WHAT IS BEFORE CITY COUNCIL WOULD LOCK YOU IN AND
REQUIRE YOU TO MAINTAIN THAT SITE THE WAY IT LOOKS WITH THE
USES THAT HAVE BEEN APPLIED FOR.
AND IT WOULD STAY UNTIL YOU HAVE TO CHANGE IT, WHICH IS
ANOTHER PROCESS.
MS. DOCK, AM I STATING THIS CORRECTLY FOR THE RECORD?

5:28:46PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
CORRECT.
LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THAT IS CORRECT.
THIS REQUEST ALLOWS YOU THESE THREE SPECIFIC USES.
ALONG WITH THIS PLACEMENT ON-SITE.
THIS IS WHAT WE WORKED TO BRING FORWARD TODAY.
[ENCODER DISCONNECT]
5:29:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
-- STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND
WHAT IT IS YOU WANT TO ACCOMPLISH.
5:29:31PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MR. SHELBY, IF I MAY, AND MR. CHAIR, MAYBE
THEY WANT TO GO AFTER THE NEXT ONE.
YOU'RE HERE IN THE PUBLIC.
THERE'S A LOT OF PRESSURE ON YOU.
IT'S NOT EASY TO THINK SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE IN PUBLIC.
MAYBE TAKING 20 MINUTES TO PRIVATELY SPEAK WOULD BENEFIT
THEM TO WEIGH ALL THEIR OPTIONS.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST.
MAYBE THEY CONTINUE.
MAYBE THEY GO FORWARD TODAY, BUT PROBABLY JUST TO STEP
OUTSIDE BECAUSE DISCUSSING IT IN PUBLIC PROBABLY WON'T GET
THE BENEFIT OF YOUR DIALOGUE.
5:30:09PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MS. DOCK, ARE YOU ABLE TO DO THAT AND
CONTINUE -- HAVE THE AGENDA CONTINUE.
5:30:15PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
YES, I CAN CERTAINLY STEP OUT WITH THE
APPLICANT AND EXPLAIN THE REQUEST TO BOTH THE APPLICANT AND

REPRESENTATIVE AND WE'LL COME BACK.
SAM WILL HANDLE THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
5:30:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LET'S DO THAT.
5:30:29PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCIL.
5:30:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ITEM NUMBER 3.
5:30:37PM >>SAMUEL THOMAS:
SAM THOMAS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
REZ-23-68, A REQUEST TO REZONE 1735, 1733, 1729, 1725 AND
1723 WEST ANY OTHER A STREET FROM RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY 16
TO COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO EMILY WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
5:31:07PM >>EMILY PHELAN:
EMILY PHELAN, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CENTRAL TAMPA
PLANNING DISTRICT AND THE NORTH HYDE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE COASTAL PLANNING AREA,
SPECIFICALLY EVACUATION ZONE C.
THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE SUBJECT SITE WHICH IS LOCATED HERE,
AND THERE ARE A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AND
INDUSTRIAL USES IN THE AREA.
THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS ARE TO THE NORTH AND EAST OF THE
SUBJECT SITE.
THE INDUSTRIAL USES ARE HERE AND THE COMMERCIAL USES ARE TO
THE SOUTH AS WELL AS ALONG WEST KENNEDY BOULEVARD.
HERE IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
THE SITE IS HERE, AND IT'S REPRESENTED BY THE RESIDENTIAL 35
DESIGNATION.

TO THE EAST THIS LIGHT PURPLE COLOR IS THE GENERAL MIXED USE
24.
THE R 35 CONTINUES TO THE WEST.
R 20 IS TO THE NORTH AND FURTHER SOUTH ALONG WEST KENNEDY
BOULEVARD IS THE URBAN MIXED USE 60 DESIGNATION.
COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING CAN BE CONSIDERED IN THE
RESIDENTIAL 35 FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IF THE SITE IS
CONSISTENT WITH LOCATIONAL CRITERIA.
THE SUBJECT SITE MEETS SOME OF THE LOCATIONAL CRITERIA.
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF RECOGNIZES THAT THE PROPOSED CN
ZONING WOULD NOT INTRUDE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS COMMERCIAL
USES ARE LOCATED TO THE SOUTH ALONG WEST KENNEDY BOULEVARD
AND INDUSTRIAL USES ARE LOCATED TO THE EAST ALONG NORTH ROME
AVENUE.
THE SUBJECT SITE ALSO HAS ACCESS TO AN ALLEY ON THE NORTHERN
PROPERTY BOUNDARY, THE ALLEY IS HERE, WHICH WOULD
POTENTIALLY REDUCE THE NUMBER OF ACCESS POINTS AND THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ENCOURAGES THE USE OF THE ALLEY.
HOWEVER, THE SITE DOES NOT MEET OTHER CRITICAL COMPONENTS OF
THE COMMERCIAL LOCATIONAL CRITERIA OUTLINED IN THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS BOUND BY LOCAL ROADWAYS AND THE
LOCATIONAL CRITERIA STATES THAT THE SITE MUST HAVE ACCESS TO
A ROADWAY CLASSIFIED AS A COLLECTOR OR HIGHER.
ADDITIONALLY, COMMERCIAL ZONING DOES NOT REPRESENT 50% OR

MORE OF THE BLOCK FACE.
THE BLOCK FACE WAS DETERMINED TO BE PROPERTY ABUTTING THE
NORTHERN PORTION OF WEST A STREET BETWEEN NORTH FREMONT
AVENUE AND NORTH ROME AVENUE, THE BLOCK FACE WOULD BE THIS
PORTION OF THE BLOCK.
AND THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING IS HERE AND THE REMAINING OF THE
ZONING IS THE RM 16.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ENCOURAGES INFILL DEVELOPMENT IN
APPROPRIATE AREAS.
IF APPROVED, ANY DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE SHOULD ADDRESS ALL
APPLICABLE POLICIES DURING THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROMOTES PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND
ENCOURAGES COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT ENHANCES THE CITY'S
CHARACTER AND AMBIENCE.
DUE TO THIS REQUEST BEING A EUCLIDEAN REZONING, THE
APPLICANT SHALL ADDRESS ALL APPLICABLE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
POLICIES INCLUDING THE COMMERCIAL AREA POLICIES DURING THE
PERMITTING PROCESS.
OVERALL, THE PROPOSED REZONING DOES NOT MEET LOCATIONAL
CRITERIA AND IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE POLICY DIRECTION IN
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
5:34:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
NO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YES, SIR.
5:34:08PM >>SAMUEL THOMAS:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
WE'LL START OUT WITH AN AERIAL MAP OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
YOU CAN SEE THE SUBJECT SITE OUTLINED IN RED HERE ALONG WEST
NORTH A STREET.
THE DEVELOPMENT AROUND THE SITE IS A LITTLE BIT MIXED.
TO THE EAST, AS EMILY MENTIONED, INDUSTRIAL USES, WAREHOUSE
HERE AND WAREHOUSE HERE AND THE WALMART ON KENNEDY
BOULEVARD, PROBABLY ALL FAMILIAR WITH UNDER THE IG ZONING.
SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE, COMMERCIAL GENERAL ZONING LOT
THAT IS USED FOR A PARKING LOT.
A LITTLE BIT OVER YOU HAVE ANOTHER PARKING LOT THAT IS
RECOGNIZED UNDER THIS PD THAT'S ALONG KENNEDY BOULEVARD AND
THAT WAS APPROVED FOR MEDICAL USES, LABORATORY USES AND I
THINK A WALK-IN BANK AS WELL.
AS YOU MOVE FARTHER WEST, YOU HAVE THE RM 24 ZONING DISTRICT
WITH AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, AND TO THE NORTH RM 16 ZONING
DISTRICT, SO MIX OF SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, SINGLE-FAMILY
DETACHED.
AS YOU MOVE FARTHER NORTH ALONG ROME AVENUE, YOU HAVE SOME
OF THE BIGGER MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS.
NEXT WE'LL GO TO THE PICTURES.
THIS IS EUCLIDEAN, NO SITE PLAN OR ELEVATIONS.
SO THIS IS LOOKING NORTHEAST ALONG WEST NORTH A STREET.
SO THAT WAS THAT INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF

WEST NORTH A STREET AND YOU CAN SEE THE SUBJECT SITE HERE.
YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT IN THE
BACKGROUND.
THIS IS MOVING WEST ON WEST NORTH A STREET.
SUBJECT SITE AGAIN.
THIS IS LOOKING EAST ON WEST NORTH A STREET.
THERE ARE WAREHOUSES ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
THE WAREHOUSE ON THE NORTH SIDE AND THEN WALMART IS RIGHT
HERE.
THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH ON KENNEDY BOULEVARD TOWARDS KENNEDY
BOULEVARD FROM WEST NORTH A.
KENNEDY BOULEVARD IS BACK HERE.
THERE IS INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
THIS IS LOOKING WEST ON WEST NORTH A STREET.
SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW LONG THE PROPERTY SUBJECT SITE
GOES ALONG THE SIDE OF WEST NORTH A.
THIS IS ALSO LOOKING AT THE SUBJECT SITE.
FROM THE FENCE HERE TO THE END OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME IS
THE ENTIRE ENCOMPASSING OF THE SUBJECT SITE GOING ALL THE
WAY TO WHERE THAT INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE IS ON THE NORTH SIDE
OF WEST NORTH A.
HERE IS ANOTHER VIEW LOOKING WEST.
YOU CAN SEE THAT FENCE THERE IS THE END OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
THESE ARE LOOKING NORTH ON WEST NORTH A STREET.
THIS IS A LITTLE BIT FARTHER WEST PAST THE SUBJECT SITE.

THESE WOULD BE THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES THAT WOULD BE
ABUTTING THE CHANGED ZONING TO COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THIS IS LOOKING WEST ON FREMONT.
THAT IS THAT MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS IN THE RM 24
ZONING DISTRICT THAT I POINTED OUT WEST OF FREMONT AVENUE.
THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH ALONG WEST NORTH A AT THE PARKING LOTS
THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER.
AND LASTLY, THIS IS LOOKING BACK EAST, KIND OF GIVING YOU AN
ENTIRE VIEW OF THE SUBJECT SITE ALONG WEST NORTH A STREET.
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION AND COMPLIANCE STAFF REVIEWED THE
APPLICATION AND FIND THE REQUEST TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE
LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
DUE TO THE NATURE OF USES EAST AND SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT
SITE, THE COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING DISTRICT WILL
PROVIDE A MORE GRADUAL TRANSITION AND INTENSITY OF USES.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
5:37:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S EDIFICATION, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT'S
ALLOWED WITHIN COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICTS.
5:37:27PM >>SAMUEL THOMAS:
COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD ALLOWS A VARIETY OF
USES.
I COULD GO THROUGH AND -- I HAVE THE LAND USE CHART IF YOU
WOULD LIKE ME TO PUT IT UP.
5:37:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST A FEW THINGS.

5:37:37PM >>SAMUEL THOMAS:
LIKE A CONVENIENCE STORE, NEIGHBORHOOD
RETAIL, RESTAURANT SERVING THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR SOMETHING
LIKE THAT, OR SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS A CONVENIENCE STORE,
SIMILAR TO DUCKWEED THAT WAS APPROVED IN ONE OF THE
MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS NORTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE COMMERCIAL THAT IS LOWER INTENSITY THAT
IS TO SERVE THE NEEDS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
5:37:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
5:37:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYBODY ELSE?
DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT FOR ITEM NUMBER 3?
YES, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
5:38:04PM >> TYLER HUDSON.
400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
QUICK PowerPoint FOR YA.
SORRY FOR THE DELAY.
I KNOW EVERY MINUTE COUNTS TONIGHT.
I THINK WE'RE AWARE OF WHERE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS.
JUST NORTH OF KENNEDY.
ONE THING I WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO AT THE OUTSET, MY
CLIENT OWNS EVERYTHING SOUTH OF THE ALLEY.
THE RED BOX PARCEL IS ACTUALLY THREE RESIDENTIAL PARCELS
WITH HOMES ON THEM.
UNTIL RECENTLY, THEY WERE SORT OF OFF CAMPUS UT FRAT HOUSES.

THEY ARE CURRENTLY VACANT.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASKED WHAT OUR PLAN WAS FOR THE HOUSES.
WE DON'T KNOW.
WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN FOR THOSE.
SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASKED, CAN YOU TAKE THOSE OUT OF THE
ZONING, LEAVE IT RESIDENTIAL.
WE HAD NO ISSUE WITH THAT.
THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION DID INCLUDE THE RED PARCELS.
IT'S NOW LIMITED TO JUST WHAT IS IN THE GREEN BOX WHICH
ABUTS THE PROJECT, THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE.
ZOOMING OUT A LITTLE BIT, KIND OF WALKING THROUGH THIS, THIS
IS REALLY THE CORRIDOR.
AT THE TOP AT THE EDGE, SIGNIFICANT MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS IN THE NORTH HYDE PARK PORTION OF WEST TAMPA THAT
HAS SEEN A LOT OF MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT IN THE LAST FIVE,
REALLY GOING BACK TEN YEARS.
IT HASN'T REALLY CAUGHT UP IS THE COMMERCIAL TO SERVE ALL
THE PEOPLE THAT NOW LIVE HERE.
THIS FACES THE REAR OF THE WALMART.
IT'S RIGHT BEHIND THE WILLA'S OVERFLOW PARKING LOT.
SELF-STORAGE IN THE MIX.
IT'S LIKE AN ECLECTIC AREA.
THERE ISN'T A TON OF COMMERCIAL THAT SERVES THE NEIGHBORHOOD
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS PROJECT ATTEMPTS TO CHANGE.
ZONING CURRENTLY RM 16.

PRETTY CLEAR WE ARE NOT PROPOSING A PD CANDIDLY FOR SOME OF
THE REASONS ALLUDED TO IN THE PRIOR HEARING, THEY CAN BE A
LITTLE INFLEXIBLE AND THE EXACT COMPOSITION OF USES ISN'T
EXACTLY CLEAR.
RIGHT NOW IT'S RESIDENTIAL ABUTTING INDUSTRIAL GENERAL,
WHICH YOU CAN SEE THAT'S SORT OF PERVASIVE TO THE NORTH OF
HERE.
I WOULD SAY HAVING RESIDENTIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES RIGHT
NEXT TO EACH OTHER, THAT'S SORT OF HOW WE GOT ZONING IN THE
FIRST PLACE.
CAN BE INCOMPATIBILITIES THERE.
WE DO THINK COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AFFORDS A NICE BUFFER
TRANSITION BETWEEN THE INDUSTRIAL NOT CHANGING AND THE
RESIDENTIAL TO THE WEST.
COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD USES PRETTY SIMILAR TO CG.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT ALLOWS FOR VEHICLE REPAIR.
IT'S LIGHT.
OFFICE, RESTAURANT, RETAIL, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE'RE PLEASED TO HAVE THE SUPPORT OF ALL THE CITY AGENCIES.
WE DIDN'T GET QUITE ALL THE WAY THERE AT THE PLANNING
COMMISSION.
I DON'T WANT TO SWEEP THAT UNDER THE RUG BUT PUT CONTEXT
WITH IT.
DON'T SEE A TON OF THE STANDARD REZONINGS.
YOU GET MOSTLY PDs.

THIS IS AN IMPORTANT CHART, CONSISTENCY MATRIX.
UNDER STATE LAW AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGS, FUTURE LAND
USE OF A PARCEL, THE ZONING OF A PARCEL HAS TO BE CONSISTENT
UPSTREAM WITH WHAT'S IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THAT ACT SAYS THIS CAN BE CONSISTENT.
COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE R-35 ZONING DISTRICT OR IN
THE R-35 FUTURE LAND USE.
THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
EMILY ALLUDED TO THIS THAT THE COMP PLAN DOES AFFORD SOME
STANDARDS TO YOU ALL AND HOW TO THINK ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL
REZONINGS IN PREDOMINANTLY FUTURE LAND USE DISTRICTS.
NO INTRUSION INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
MULTIPLE ACCESS POINTS.
ONE POINT THAT'S IN THE COMP PLAN, I DON'T THINK IN THE
STAFF REPORT, THEY LIKE TO SEE THAT THERE'S SORT OF AN
INADEQUATE EXISTING COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD USES.
THERE'S NO WAY FOR US TO PROVE THAT.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE NEIGHBORS THINK THERE'S INADEQUATE
COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW.
THE TWO WE FELL SHORT ON ARE COLLECTOR ROAD ACCESS AND SORT
OF 50% BLOCK FACE ISSUE.
PULL UP MORE CONTEXT AROUND THAT.
THESE ARE PERMIT DRAWINGS.
THE SINGLE DEVELOPER, SINGLE PROPERTY OWNER OWNS THE
ASSEMBLAGE OUTLINED IN GREEN.

BLUE PARCELS, THAT'S REALLY ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
THE DEVELOPMENT HAS ACCESS TO NORTH A.
IT HAS ACCESS TO ROME VIA THE ALLEY THAT WE ARE ABSOLUTELY
PRESERVING, THAT ALLEY IS PRETTY INTEGRAL FROM THE SIDE
ACCESS STANDPOINT.
WHAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO IS A BUNCH OF CURB CUTS ON ROME
BECAUSE THE CITY INVESTED IN A BICYCLE TRACK THAT IS RIGHT
ALONG THE PROJECT DOWN ROME.
BUT ROME IS NOT QUITE A COLLECTOR.
I THINK COUNCIL SEES A LOT OF THE ARTERIAL LOCAL,
COLLECTORS, SOMETIMES MIGHT SEEM A LITTLE MORE ART THAN
SCIENCE.
I THINK OUR VIEW ON THIS ONE, IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK,
QUACKS LIKE A DUCK, ROME IS VERY SIMILAR TO WILLOW, SIMILAR
TO DAVIS BOULEVARD.
DAKOTA IS A COLLECTOR AND ROME IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE BUSY
THAN THAT.
THIS IS A VERY COLLECTOR-LIKE ROAD.
F.D.O.T. HAS A PRETTY TECHNICAL DEFINITION.
COLLECTOR CONNECTS LOCAL ROADS WITH ARTERIALS.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS DOES.
THERE IS A STOPLIGHT AT ROME BRINGING PEOPLE DOWN TO
KENNEDY.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, THOUGH, THE TAMPA MOVES PROJECT, WHICH I
THINK COUNCIL IS FAMILIAR WITH.

THERE WILL BE A RECLASSIFICATION OF THE CLASSIFICATION OF
THESE ROADWAYS.
ROME IS PROPOSED TO BE A, QUOTE, MAJOR COLLECTOR.
WHILE NOT TECHNICALLY A COLLECTOR TODAY, SOUNDS LIKE IT IS
GOING TO BE A COLLECTOR IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.
THE SECOND AREA FALL A LITTLE BIT SHORT ON IS THE BLOCK
AVERAGING.
YOU ALL TYPICALLY SEE BLOCK AVERAGING IN THE CONTEXT OF
SETBACKS.
SAW ONE LAST WEEK WHERE IT'S QUANTITATIVE.
ADD IT ALL UP, DIVIDE BY THE NUMBER AND YOU GET AN AVERAGE.
THE EXPECTATION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THAT 50% OF THE
BLOCK SHOULD ALREADY BE COMMERCIAL.
I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ISSUES WITH APPLYING THIS
STRICTLY.
FIRST, IT CREATES SORT OF AN ARTIFICIAL CEILING ON YOUR
ABILITY TO ASK FOR A REZONING.
NOT ALREADY 50%, YOU ARE SORT OF STUCK.
THE SECOND ISSUE WITH THAT, IT DOES IGNORE THE OPPOSITE SIDE
OF THE STREET.
I THINK FOLKS TYPICALLY DO EXPERIENCE A BLOCK, WITH A LITTLE
BIT OF WHAT'S ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.
WHAT'S OPPOSITE OF THESE PARCELS WE'RE ASKING YOU TO REZONE
IS INDUSTRIAL SURFACE PARKING COMMERCIAL.
IT'S NOT RESIDENTIAL.

THIS MIGHT BE A LITTLE MORE OF A LANGUAGE GAME, BUT IT
IGNORES THE EFFECT OF THE REZONING.
RIGHT NOW IT SAYS IT WANTS TO SEE 50% OR MORE COMMERCIAL.
THAT'S SORT OF THE EXPECTATION.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS WOULD DO IF YOU APPROVED IT.
IT WOULD BE NORTH OF 80% COMMERCIAL.
AGAIN, THESE ARE A COUPLE OF AREAS OF TECHNICAL
SHORTCOMINGS, WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SEES, BUT I THINK
IT'S STILL CONSISTENT WITH THE DIRECTION AND SPIRIT OF THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHEN LOOKING AT COMMERCIAL INFILL
DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREAS THAT HAVE A LOT OF MULTIFAMILY
RESIDENTIAL, BUT THAT HAS NOT HAD THE CATCH-UP OF RETAIL
COMMERCIAL USES.
WE TALKED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT THIS PROJECT FOR
PROBABLY TWO OR THREE YEARS.
TAKEN A WHILE TO ASSEMBLE ALL THE PIECES OF IT.
NORTH HYDE PARK ALLIANCE, NORTH HYDE PARK CIVIC ASSOCIATION,
LOCAL SMALL BUSINESSES, I THINK NEIGHBORS WRITTEN IN.
WE'RE NOT AWARE OF OPPOSITION.
WE TALKED TO THE FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD A LONG TIME ABOUT
THE PROJECT.
I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF ENTHUSIASM.
ALEX WAS OUT WITH THEM LAST WEEK TALKING ABOUT TREES FOR THE
LITTLE POCKET PARK.
WE HAVE APPLIED FOR.

THAT'S NOT HYPOTHETICAL.
THAT'S REAL.
WITH THAT, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
5:45:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:45:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I KNOW WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT
THE OVERALL PROJECT THAT YOU JUST SHOWED US, BUT THAT IS A
LOT OF PARKING AND THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY.
5:45:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY ELSE?
IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM
NUMBER 3?
I SEE SOMEBODY COMING UP.
NO?
ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
5:45:55PM >> NO.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, COUNCIL.
5:45:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
CLENDENIN, SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WOULD YOU MIND READING ITEM NUMBER 3?
THERE IS A SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE.
5:46:06PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FILE NUMBER REZ-23-68, SUBSTITUTE
ORDINANCE.
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF

1723, 1725, 1729, 1733 AND 1735 WEST NORTH A STREET IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RM-16
(RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY) TO CN (COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD);
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
5:46:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
5:46:46PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
5:46:48PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
5:46:50PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
5:46:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
5:46:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
5:46:55PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
5:46:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
5:46:57PM >>THE CLERK:
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON MARCH 7, 2024,
AT OLD CITY HALL, 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, TAMPA,
FLORIDA, 33602.
5:47:14PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AT WHAT TIME?
5:47:17PM >>THE CLERK:
AT 9:30 A.M.
5:47:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
5:47:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM, MS. DOCK, WHAT IS THE
CONCLUSION ON ITEM 2?
5:47:25PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCIL.

LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE
REQUEST BEFORE YOU NOW.
5:47:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WAS THE PRESENTATION COMPLETE?
DOES HE UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING GOING ON?
5:47:38PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
THE PRESENTATION IS COMPLETE.
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
I WOULD LIKE TO PUT ON THE RECORD THE REQUEST AGAIN.
SO THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM CI, COMMERCIAL
INTENSIVE, AND RM-24, RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY, TO PD PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT, FOR THE USES OF VEHICLE REPAIR MAJOR, RETAIL
SALES, SHOPPER'S GOODS AND OPEN STORAGE, AND THE APPLICANT
CAN COME UP AND CONFIRM.
5:48:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
APPLICANT, SIR, DO YOU CONCUR WITH WHAT
WAS SAID?
DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN.
5:48:12PM >> -- STATE YOUR NAME.
WHAT IS YOUR NAME.
5:48:15PM >> MY NAME IS RICH MARCEAU.
WE WANT TO GO AHEAD WITH, GO AS PLANNED.
5:48:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM
NUMBER 2?
I SEE NO ONE.

WE HAVE NOBODY REGISTERED.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE?
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, WOULD YOU MIND READING ITEM NUMBER 2?
5:48:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A COMMENT, FIRST.
5:48:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
5:48:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK THAT THIS SHOULD BE DENIED BECAUSE OF
THE RM 24 THAT GOES INTO THAT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT
ALREADY EXISTS.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT -- RIGHT NOW IT'S A VERY -- I WANT TO
SAY DOCILE USE, BUT BECAUSE OF WHAT COULD BE THERE, I THINK
THAT 15-FOOT BUFFER INTO THIS RESIDENTIAL AREA IS JUST
QUITE, I'LL BE HONEST, I THINK IT'S TOO MUCH.
5:49:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
5:49:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I CONCUR.
I THINK, AGAIN, YOU'RE PENETRATING, THERE IS A REALLY CLEAR
LINE ALONG HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE WHERE THE ZONING CHANGE IS.
WE HAVE THE BLOCK FRONTAGE THAT FACES HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE,
WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE DENSITY AND DEVELOPMENT
BECAUSE IT IS A MAJOR TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR.
BUT WHEN YOU PENETRATE WITH THIS RELATIVELY INTENSE,
POTENTIALLY INTENSE AND NOISY BUSINESS INTO AN ESTABLISHED

RESIDENTIAL ZONED AREA AND ALREADY CONSTRUCTED AND BUILT, I
THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY OUTSIDE OF -- WE HAVE CERTAIN
REQUIREMENTS FOR PLAN DEVELOPMENT, CODE CRITERIA.
AND ONE OF THE KEY CRITERIA IS THE IMPACT ON SURROUNDING
NEIGHBORHOODS.
THAT'S ACTUALLY NUMBER ONE IN THE CRITERIA.
WE AS A COUNCIL WHEN WE MAKE THESE DECISIONS, WE HAVE TO
TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE IMPACT OF A PD ON THOSE EXISTING
NEIGHBORHOODS.
I FEEL GRAVELY CONCERNED THAT WE -- REALLY PENETRATE A
COMMERCIAL USE WITH ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH
THAT COMMERCIAL USE INTO THOSE FOLKS' BACKYARD.
5:50:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION?
5:50:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION.
I MOVE TO DENY REZ-23-101 FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4170
EAST HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE DUE TO THE FAILURE OF THE APPLICANT
TO MEET ITS BURDEN OF PROOF TO PROVIDE COMPETENT AND
SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT THE -- THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AS
CONDITIONED AND SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN IS CONSISTENT WITH
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND CITY CODE AND THE APPLICANT'S
FAILURE TO MEET ITS BURDEN OF PROOF WITH RESPECT TO THE
REQUESTED WAIVER.
I ALSO ADOPT THE FINDINGS AND REASONINGS OF THE CITY STAFF
REPORT, AND I WILL CITE THE FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 27-136 THAT ALTHOUGH THIS SEGMENT

OF HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE CONTAINS PREDOMINANTLY COMMERCIAL
USES COMPRISED OF VEHICLE SALES, REPAIR, AND OPEN STORAGE,
THE ENCROACHMENT INTO THE RESIDENTIAL USES TO THE NORTH IS
NOT APPROPRIATE.
ACCORDINGLY, THE PROPOSED USE IS NOT APPROPRIATE IN LOCATION
AND NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT.
5:51:42PM >> WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
5:51:46PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YEAH, THERE IS A SECOND.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. SHELBY.
I'M PREPARED TO VOTE FOR THE DENIAL.
I JUST HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE APPLICANTS WHO WERE OUTSIDE
AND SPEAKING AND THEN IT WAS SAID THEY WANT TO GO FORWARD.
THEY ARE NOT REPRESENTED.
ARE THEY FULLY AWARE AND APPRECIATIVE OF EVERYTHING THAT'S
HAPPENING AND EQUIPPED WITH THAT KNOWLEDGE?
MR. SHELBY, ARE THERE ANY ISSUES IN THERE?
AGAIN, I'M PREPARED TO VOTE FOR THIS.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE IN ALL FAIRNESS TO THE APPLICANTS.
5:52:24PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. VIERA, THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
QUITE FRANKLY, EVERY OPPORTUNITY WAS AFFORDED TO THE
APPLICANT TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE.
THE OPTION OF A CONTINUANCE BEFORE STEPPING OUT WAS OFFERED
AS AN OPTION.
THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE CAME UP AND ON THE RECORD

EXPLAINED TO COUNCIL THAT THEY UNDERSTOOD AND WISH TO GO
FORWARD.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, AFTER THEIR
DECISION HAS BEEN MADE, I THINK THE BEST THING FOR US TO DO
THEN IS TO RESPECT THAT DECISION.
5:53:00PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
THE CLOSED CAPTIONING.
WHO IS THAT FOR?
IN OTHER WORDS -- AND I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO IDENTIFY
THEMSELVES, WAS IT FOR THESE PARTIES?
WAS IT FOR THIS CASE?
5:53:12PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU WANT TO HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT
THAT, THEN WHAT WE COULD DO IS -- THE SHORT ANSWER IS MY
UNDERSTANDING IS WE WERE CONTACTED, THE CITY COUNCIL OFFICES
WERE CONTACTED BY LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION WHICH MADE
THESE ACCOMMODATIONS IN ANTICIPATION OF THE HEARING TONIGHT.
IF YOU WANT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE CAN, IF THE COUNCIL
NEEDS TO HAVE THAT ON THE RECORD.
5:53:35PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MY APOLOGIES.
I SHOULD HAVE MADE THIS WHILE IT WAS OPEN.
5:53:38PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHY DON'T WE REOPEN FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE
DISCUSSION.
5:53:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?

AYE.
THE HEARING IS REOPENED.
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
5:53:49PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, COUNCIL, IT WAS STAFF CONTACTED THE ADA
COORDINATOR.
THE ADA COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY ARRANGED FOR THE CAPTIONING
SERVICES FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO IT WAS AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT THAT THAT
ASSISTANCE WAS NEEDED.
5:54:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IS THAT SATISFACTORY?
5:54:15PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AND SHOULD WE AFFORD THE APPLICANT ANY FINAL
WORDS BEFORE WE CLOSE?
5:54:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE MOTION HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE WITH A
SECOND.
AND THERE WAS NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
5:54:28PM >>LUIS VIERA:
STILL, WE ALWAYS ALLOW APPLICANTS, EVEN IF
THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT, TO SAY ANYTHING FURTHER.
THAT'S HAPPENED NUMEROUS TIMES BEFORE.
5:54:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DO YOU WANT TO HAVE THE APPLICANT HIMSELF
COME UP FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE RECORD, MR. VIERA?
THE HEARING IS OPEN.
WE MIGHT AS WELL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
5:54:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

5:54:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MY UNDERSTANDING, SIR, AGAIN, YOUR NAME FOR
THE RECORD.
I'M SORRY.
YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
YOUR NAME.
5:55:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHAT IS YOUR NAME, SIR?
5:55:06PM >> RICHARD MARCEAU.
5:55:08PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DID I PRONOUNCE THAT CORRECTLY?
5:55:11PM >> YEAH.
5:55:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU SEE THE CLOSED CAPTIONING HERE.
IS THAT CORRECT?
5:55:16PM >> YEAH.
5:55:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OKAY.
THE GENTLEMAN WHO YOU REPRESENT, HIS NAME IS?
5:55:23PM >> DANIEL TRUONG.
5:55:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DANIEL.
AND MR. TRUONG, AM I PRONOUNCING YOUR NAME CORRECTLY?
5:55:32PM >> YES, SIR, THAT'S FINE.
5:55:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
HAVE YOU SEEN THE CLOSED CAPTIONING DURING
THE PROCESS?
HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO FOLLOW WHAT'S BEEN SAID?
5:55:39PM >> YEAH, I MEAN, WE DISCUSSED ABOUT ALREADY.
5:55:43PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OKAY.
HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THIS PROCESS UP UNTIL THIS
POINT?

5:55:48PM >> YES, SIR.
5:55:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DID YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH
MS. DOCK OUTSIDE DURING THE BREAK THAT WAS AFFORDED TO YOU
AND SHE WHILE WE CONTINUED WITH TONIGHT'S MEETING?
5:56:00PM >> YES, SIR.
5:56:00PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AFTER THAT, YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO
DISCUSS THIS WITH YOUR APPLICANT, YOUR REPRESENTATIVE?
5:56:06PM >> YES.
5:56:07PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
AND YOUR DECISION IS, AGAIN, WHAT?
5:56:13PM >> LEAVE FOR RIGHT NOW AND THEN MOVING ON WITH THAT FOR
RIGHT NOW.
5:56:16PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU'RE ASKING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS
HEARING.
5:56:19PM >> CORRECT.
5:56:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
I HAVE NO FURTHER INQUIRY.
5:56:22PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'LL SECOND THAT.
AGAIN, BEFORE, COUNCIL, AGAIN, MY APOLOGIES, I JUST WANTED
TO MAKE SURE BEFORE GOING FORWARD.
5:56:30PM >> NO PROBLEM.
APPRECIATE THAT.
5:56:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL
MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.

ALL IN FAVOR?
THE HEARING IS CLOSED.
THE MOTION WAS MADE FOR DENIAL BY COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
5:56:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
5:56:51PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
5:56:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
5:56:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
5:56:57PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
5:56:58PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
5:56:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
5:57:02PM >>THE CLERK:
THE MOTION CARRIED WITH MANISCALCO VOTING NO.
SECOND READING AND --
5:57:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
IT WAS A MOTION OF DENIAL.
5:57:10PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION TO DENY CARRIED WITH MANISCALCO VOTING
NO.
5:57:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, MR. SHELBY.
DO WE NEED TO TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS?
5:57:22PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF WE CAN, PLEASE.
5:57:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LET'S TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS SO WE
CAN DISMANTLE THE SYSTEM.
WE'RE IN RECESS FOR FIVE MINUTES.

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[RECESS]
6:08:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
WELCOME BACK.
LET'S GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
6:08:05PM >> CARLSON?
HURTAK?
6:08:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
6:08:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
6:08:10PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PRESENT.
6:08:12PM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
6:08:13PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
6:08:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
6:08:15PM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
6:08:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I SAW A FEW PEOPLE COME IN AFTER WE SWORE IN FOLKS THAT WANT
TO SPEAK SO IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THE CASES AND
YOU HAVE NOT BEEN SWORN IN, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
STAND UP, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND LET US SWEAR YOU IN.
I SAW A FEW NEW FACES.
6:08:44PM >>THE CLERK:
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE
ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
6:08:49PM >> YES.
6:08:49PM >>THE CLERK:
THANK YOU.
YOU MAY BE SEATED.

6:08:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
WE ARE ON ITEM NUMBER 4.
YES, SIR.
6:08:55PM >>SAMUEL THOMAS:
SAM THOMAS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4 IS REZ 23-93, A REQUEST TO REZONE 3203
WEST SAINT JOHN STREET FROM RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY 50 AND
COMMERCIAL GENERAL TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR A CEMETERY.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO EMILY WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
6:09:29PM >>EMILY PHELAN:
CAN YOU SEE THE SCREEN?
EMILY PHELAN, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CENTRAL TAMPA
PLANNING DISTRICT IN THE MacFARLANE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE COASTAL PLANNING AREA,
SPECIFICALLY EVACUATION ZONE E.
THERE IS AN EXISTING CEMETERY TO THE NORTH AND SOME
COMMERCIAL USES ALONG NORTH MacDILL AVENUE, AND THEN
SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IS TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST OF
THE SITE.
THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
IT'S COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL 35.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IT IS TO THE NORTH AS WELL AS TO THE EAST
ALONG MacDILL.
AND TO THE SOUTH AND WEST IS THE RESIDENTIAL 10 DESIGNATION,
AND THIS IS THE RESIDENTIAL 20 DESIGNATION.
THE CC 35 DESIGNATION ALLOWS FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF

INTENSIVE AND GENERAL COMMERCIAL USES.
THE CEMETERY CAN BE CONSIDERED UNDER THIS DESIGNATION.
THE SITE IS ADJACENT TO EXISTING CEMETERY AND THERE IS A
DIVERSE RANGE OF USES WITHIN A HALF MILE OF THE SUBJECT
SITE.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REQUIRES COMMERCIAL USES TO BE
APPROPRIATELY BUFFERED FROM RESIDENTIAL USES.
THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING SETBACKS ALONG THE RIGHT-OF-WAY
ENSURING THE DEVELOPMENT IS APPROPRIATELY SCREENED FROM THE
ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL USES.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROMOTES PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND
ENCOURAGES COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT ENHANCES THE CITY OF
TAMPA'S CHARACTER AND AMBIENCE.
THE SITE IS WITHIN A MIXED USE CORRIDOR WHICH ENCOURAGES
PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY.
THE APPLICANT HAS A NOTE ON THE SITE PLAN THAT PEDESTRIAN
CONNECTIVITY WILL BE PROVIDED.
IN CONCLUSION, THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER
OF THE SURROUNDING AREA AND THE LONG-RANGE DEVELOPMENT
PATTERN ENCOURAGED UNDER THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION,
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
6:11:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY QUESTIONS?
NO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YES, SIR, GO AHEAD.
6:11:20PM >>SAMUEL THOMAS:
SAM THOMAS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
WE'LL GET STARTED WITH THE AERIAL ZONING MAP.
THE SUBJECT SITE HERE OUTLINED IN RED.
IT'S ALL ON WEST SAINT JOHN STREET AND NORTH MATANZAS
AVENUE.
AS EMILY STATED BEFORE, THERE IS THE CEMETERY NORTH OF THE
SITE, MARTI-COLON.
ALONG COLUMBUS DRIVE, YOU HAVE A MIX OF COMMERCIAL USES.
THEN AS YOU GO DOWN SOUTH MacDILL AVENUE, YOU HAVE SOME
COMMERCIAL USES AND RESIDENTIAL OFFICE USE UNTIL AROUND WEST
SAINT JOHN STREET AND THEN IT TRANSITIONS INTO RESIDENTIAL
SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED WITH THE RS 50 ZONING DISTRICT.
TO THE WEST YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED WITH
THE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT.
AND THEN TO THE NORTH, AS I MENTIONED, YOU DO HAVE THE
CEMETERY.
NEXT WE'LL GO TO THE SITE PLAN PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.
SO BECAUSE IT IS A CEMETERY, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, NO
BUILDINGS ARE PROPOSED ON THE SUBJECT SITE.
HOWEVER, MAUSOLEUMS CAN BE CONSTRUCTED IF THE REZONING IS
APPROVED.
ACCESS TO THE SITE WILL BE PROVIDED FROM HERE ON WEST SAINT
JOHN.
ONE PARKING SPACE IS REQUIRED PER EMPLOYEE.

INTENDED TO BE NO EMPLOYEES.
ZERO PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED.
ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED SETBACKS FOR
INTERMENTS AT ZERO ON ALL SIDES WHICH REQUIRES A WAIVER, BUT
THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE MAUSOLEUMS.
SO YOU WOULD NOT HAVE MAUSOLEUMS WITH ZERO SETBACK LINE.
NO ELEVATIONS BECAUSE NO BUILDINGS ARE PROPOSED SINCE THIS
IS A CEMETERY.
I DO HAVE PICTURES THAT I CAN SHOW YOU.
SO THIS IS LOOKING EAST ON WEST SAINT JOHN STREET.
THIS IS LOOKING WEST.
THIS IS MATANZAS HERE.
THIS IS WEST SAINT JOHN.
YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY BLOCK-STYLE HOMES.
HERE IS A BETTER PICTURE OF THE INTERSECTION.
THE CEMETERY WOULD BE BACK BEHIND WHERE THE STOP SIGN IS.
THIS IS LOOKING WEST ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE CEMETERY.
SO THIS IS DIRECTLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MATANZAS AVENUE.
THIS IS LOOKING EAST.
THIS IS JUST NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF MATANZAS AND SAINT
JOHN.
YOU CAN SEE THE VACANT PARCEL HERE THAT WOULD BE THE
CEMETERY.
MARTI-COLON IN THE DISTANCE AND BORDER WALL WHERE SOUTH
MacDILL AND THE COMMERCIAL GENERAL USES ARE.

THIS IS LOOKING NORTH ALONG MATANZAS JUST PAST THE
INTERSECTION.
YOU CAN SEE THE VACANT PARCEL.
AND THEN THE CEMETERY, AGAIN, THERE.
HERE IS THE SITE PLAN FOR YOU AGAIN.
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION AND COMPLIANCE STAFF REVIEWED THE
APPLICATION AND FIND THE REQUEST TO BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE
LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
SEE THE FINDINGS FROM TRANSPORTATION RELATED TO THE WAIVER
REQUESTING ACCESS TO THE LOCAL ROAD.
NOTWITHSTANDING STAFF'S FINDING OF INCONSISTENCY, IF COUNCIL
APPROVES THE APPLICATION, MODIFICATIONS TO THE SITE PLAN AS
SHOWN ON THE SUBMITTED REVISION SHEET MUST BE COMPLETED
BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
THESE REVISIONS WILL NOT RESOLVE THE ISSUE OF
TRANSPORTATION'S INCONSISTENCY FINDINGS.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
6:14:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
6:14:40PM >> GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY NAME IS
MARK BENTLEY, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE AND I'VE BEEN SWORN.
OUR CLIENT IS SEEKING TO ESTABLISH A JEWISH CEMETERY AT THE
SUBJECT SITE WHICH IS ALMOST ONE ACRE IN SIZE.

I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE SUBJECT SITE AND OUR CLIENT
ABSOLUTELY HAS NO RELATIONSHIP, LEGAL FROM A LAND USE
STANDPOINT WITH REGARD TO THE PROPERTIES LOCATED DIRECTLY TO
THE NORTH.
THE ONLY COMMONALITY BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES IS THE
BOUNDARY, AND THOSE PROPERTIES OWNED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THE CLIENT IS DOWN ZONING THE PROPERTY AND GOING THROUGH
THIS PROCESS THROUGH THE PD PROCESS RELINQUISHING ALL
DEVELOPMENT ENTITLEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY BUT FOR THE ABILITY
TO OBTAIN THIS CEMETERY USE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THE QUESTION IS, WHY DOING THIS THROUGH A PD?
YOU HEARD STAFF INDICATE THAT THE PROPERTY IS SPLIT ZONED.
PART OF THE PROPERTY IS RS 50 AND PART OF IT IS CG.
RS 50 HAS STANDARDS, SPECIAL USE STANDARDS FOR A CEMETERY
VERSUS CG, WHICH DOES NOT.
TO ELIMINATE THE INCONSISTENCY WE'RE PURSUING THE PD.
MOST IMPORTANT REASON PURSUING THE PD, THERE WAS CONCERN IN
THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE
PROPERTY.
RIGHT NOW YOU COULD DEVELOP UNDER CG OR THE RS 50, AND THAT
WOULD INCLUDE DIRECT ACCESS EITHER ON MATANZAS AND/OR SAINT
JOHN THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT IS A GIVEN AND CAN CONFIRM WITH THE TRANSPORTATION
PLANNER WHO IS IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT.
IF WE REZONE A PD, WE CAN ISOLATE OR SINGLE OUT THE ONE USE,

WHICH WOULD BE A CEMETERY, WHICH IS VERY INNOCUOUS USE.
TRANSPORTATION PLANNER TALK ON THE WHOLE SPECTRUM OF TRAFFIC
IMPACTS FOR DIFFERENT USES, THAT'S ON THE EXTREME LOW END.
ALSO BEAR IN MIND THAT COMMITTING TO A PD, OUR CLIENT, AS I
MENTIONED, RELINQUISHING ALL DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS TO SECURE
THE CEMETERY.
A PD LIMITING THE USE ELIMINATES THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS OF
THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES.
NOTE THAT THE PROPOSED CEMETERY USE WAS NOT BEING -- WAS
BEING PROPOSED, IF IT WAS NOT BEING PROPOSED, PAGE 3 OF YOUR
STAFF REPORT, AND PAGE 2 OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION REPORT,
THE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF CC 35 WOULD ALLOW IN THE
ALTERNATIVE EITHER 32 DWELLING UNITS FOR 40,500 SQUARE FEET
OF RETAIL AND/OR OFFICE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE OBVIOUS PREFERRED CHOICE OF LAND USE FOR NOT ONLY THE
CLIENT, BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS A CEMETERY AND WAY TO ENSURE
THAT THE USE IS ONLY FOR A CEMETERY IS THROUGH THE PD
PROCESS.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS SUGGESTION
THAT WE COULD ACCESS THROUGH MARTI-COLON CEMETERY WHICH WAS
ESTABLISHED IN 1895 ROUGHLY, WHEN THERE WERE NO TECHNICAL
STANDARDS OR THERE WAS NO ZONING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AS MENTIONED, THE PROPERTY ABUTS TWO PUBLIC ROADS.
THE CLIENT UNDER THE LAW IS ENTITLED TO ACCESS TO A PUBLIC
ROAD, THAT WOULD BE EITHER MATANZAS OR SAINT JOHN.

IF THEY DEVELOP UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING FOR SINGLE-FAMILY
OR COMMERCIAL, ACCESS TO ONE OR BOTH ROADS WOULD BE
GUARANTEED.
THERE'S NO DENYING THAT.
THEY HAVE TO GET LEGAL ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY, CEMETERY TO
DEVELOP THE PROPERTY UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING.
THE CITY COULD NOT FORCE A RETAIL DEVELOPMENT OR MEDICAL
OFFICE TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY THROUGH A PATH THROUGH
CITY-OWNED PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH.
THE CITY HAS NO LEGAL AUTHORITY TO FORCE ANY USE, INCLUDING
THE PROPOSED CEMETERY, TO UTILIZE THE SUBSTANDARD ON SAFE
ACCESS THROUGH ANOTHER PROPERTY AS A CONDITION OF ZONING
APPROVAL.
THAT'S AN IMPROPER USE OF THE POLICE POWER.
MARTI-COLON CEMETERY, AS I MENTIONED, ESTABLISHED IN ROUGHLY
1890, 95, WHEN THERE WERE NO MINIMUM STANDARDS, WHICH
STANDARDS ARE NOT WAIVABLE BY THE CITY.
BUT NOW, AS DETERMINED BY YOUR TRANSPORTATION STAFF, ANY
INTERNAL ROAD SERVING OUR CLIENT'S USE MUST MEET CITY
STANDARDS INCLUDING LIFE SAFETY, DRAINAGE, ROAD CONSTRUCTION
MATERIALS, AND MUST BE A MINIMUM OF 20 FEET IN WIDTH.
SO USING THE MARTI-COLON CEMETERY PATH IS NOT LEGAL NOR IS
IT SAFE.
I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT UP THE PowerPoint.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TOO LATE TO DO THAT.

6:18:50PM >> CCTV.
6:18:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THERE YOU GO.
WE NEED IT ON OUR SCREENS HERE.
THERE YOU GO.
6:18:56PM >> I JUST MENTIONED, THE CITY HAS, I'LL CALL IT, A PATH THAT
TERMINATES AT OUR NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE.
AND WE'RE LOOKING DIRECTLY AT THE CITY'S PATH NORTH TOWARD
COLUMBUS.
YOU CAN SEE THE TRUCK HERE, AND THIS IS BY NO MEANS A ROAD,
BUT WE CALL IT A PATH.
ANY SUGGESTION THAT WE GO THROUGH THIS PROPERTY, IT'S REALLY
NOT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DO THAT.
PLUS, ALSO, BEAR IN MIND THAT NOT ONLY IS IT UNSAFE OR NOT
LEGAL, THERE ARE NO CROSS EASEMENT AGREEMENTS WITH THE CITY
TO UTILIZE THEIR PROPERTY.
THESE ARE STAND-ALONE PROPERTIES.
LIKE I SAID, THE ONLY COMMONALITY BETWEEN THE TWO HAPPENS TO
BE THE BOUNDARY AND HAPPENS TO BE THE USE.
SO THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO OUR
FIRM'S DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT, RYAN MANASSE.
6:19:48PM >> THANK YOU, MARK.
RYAN MANASSE.
THANK YOU.
I'VE BEEN SWORN.
I'M GOING THROUGH THE SLIDE DECK, AND I'LL TRY NOT TO BE

REDUNDANT.
THE SITE AERIAL SHOWS 40,389 SQUARE FEET FOR THE SUBJECT
SITE.
I KNOW STAFF ALREADY WENT THROUGH THIS.
THIS IS THE SUBJECT SITE ITSELF.
ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN, SO YOU CAN SEE WE'RE
FACING EAST AND THE CEMETERY USE DOES ABUT OUR PROPERTY AS
WELL TO THE NORTH AS INDICATED BY STAFF.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE IS ON
THE SOUTH SOUTHERN BOUNDARY IS THE FENCE LINE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ACCESS GATE.
SOMETHING TO POINT OUT ABOUT THIS ACCESS GATE TO OUR
SOUTHERN PARCEL IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE
AT LEAST 2007, IF NOT EARLIER.
SO THAT IS ALSO WHERE WE'RE INTENDING OUR PROPOSED
INGRESS/EGRESS POINT FOR THE PROPOSED CEMETERY.
AS MARK MENTIONED, IT IS SPLIT ZONED RS 50 AND CG.
AND THAT MAKES IT UNIQUE BECAUSE, AGAIN, THE RS 50 ZONING
DISTRICT REQUIRES THAT SPECIAL USE 1 CRITERIA FOR THE
SPECIFIC CRITERIA FOR A CEMETERY USE, WHEREAS THE CG ZONING
DISTRICT IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
NOW, WE ARE REQUESTING WAIVERS FROM THAT SECTION 27-132
WHICH IS THE SPECIAL USE CRITERIA AND IT IS FOR THAT
CEMETERY USE, AGAIN SPECIFICALLY FOR RS 50 PORTION OF THE
PROPERTY.

WE DON'T BELIEVE THE LDC OR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE
CONTEMPLATED THE SMALL-SCALE CEMETERIES WHEN THIS CRITERIA
WAS IN PLACE REGARDING THE 30-FOOT SETBACK.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE REQUESTING THE ZERO BECAUSE IT'S
OBVIOUSLY A QUITE INTRUSIVE SETBACK, AND THAT'S SPECIFIC TO
INTERMENT, AS STAFF POINTED OUT AS WELL.
REGARDING THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE AND THE SPECIAL USE CRITERIA,
AGAIN, WE DON'T THINK IT WAS CONTEMPLATED THAT THE CG OR THE
SPLIT ZONING DISTRICT OR ZONING LOT THAT HAS SPLIT ZONING,
YOU KNOW, WAS CONTEMPLATED TO HAVE THE SMALLER SCALE
CEMETERY.
AGAIN, WE WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE ONLY USE BEING
PROPOSED TONIGHT AND WHAT SOLIDIFIED ON THE PD IF APPROVED
WOULD BE A CEMETERY USE ONLY.
ALSO, JUST AS MARTI-COLON CEMETERY OPERATES, THERE ARE NO
EMPLOYEES ON-SITE.
AGAIN, AS MARK MENTIONED, THAT TRAFFIC GENERATION IS DE
MINIMIS BY MOST STANDARDS.
HERE IS A CLOSE-UP OF THE SITE.
WE ARE PROVIDING OR WILL BE PROVIDING INTERNAL CIRCULATION
ONCE CONSTRUCTION IS PUSHED FORWARD AND MEET CITY OF TAMPA
CODES 20 FEET FOR TWO-WAY ACCESS, ALL STORMWATER
REQUIREMENTS, ET CETERA, AS WELL AS SIDEWALKS WOULD BE TO
CHAPTER 22 AND THAT'S ANNOTATED ON OUR SITE PLAN.
JUST A LITTLE HISTORY ABOUT THE LOT.

THE CONFIGURATION IS A REMNANT AFTER THE CITY PURCHASED THE
NORTHERN AND EASTERN PORTION OF THE MARTI -- ACTUALLY, IT IS
THE COLON PORTION OF THE CEMETERY IN 2023.
AND REALLY IT CREATED A SMALLER NONCONFORMING LOT FOR THE
SPECIFIC CEMETERY USE, WHICH CANNOT ADHERE TO THE SPECIAL
USE 1 CRITERIA.
AGAIN, THIS PD ALLOWS US TO WAIVE THAT CRITERIA.
SO EARLY IN THE PROCESS WE DID REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD
ASSOCIATIONS LISTED FOR THE FOLIO ADDRESS.
I DID HEAR CONCERNS FROM A FEW OF THE ORGANIZATION MEMBERS
THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT, TOO, ABOUT ACCESS AND TRAFFIC.
WE WENT BACK, LOOKED AT THE SITE PLAN, TRIED TO VIEW WHAT WE
COULD DO.
OBVIOUSLY, IT'S NOT LIKE A TYPICAL SITE PLAN WHERE YOU HAVE
A LOT OF ENTITLEMENTS AND BUILDINGS AND DWELLING UNITS.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY -- WELL, FORTUNATELY WE COULD LIMIT THE
USE TO CEMETERY, SO THAT'S THE GOOD NEWS, RIGHT?
BUT WE WERE AT AN IMPASSE ON THE ACCESS.
AS MARK ALLUDED TO, THE ACCESS IS PART OF OUR CONCERN GOING
NORTH TO COLUMBUS.
THERE ARE SEVERAL ISSUES CONCERNING THAT UTILIZATION OF THE
PATHWAY THROUGH MARTI-COLON CEMETERY.
MOST IMPORTANTLY IS SAFETY.
IT DOESN'T MEET TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE FOR
TRANSPORTATION.

AGAIN, SOME PORTIONS OF THE PATHWAY 8 AND A HALF FEET IN
WIDTH AND TWO-WAY TRAFFIC REQUIRES 20 FEET.
WE DID LOOK AT NORTH MATANZAS AVENUE OR WEST SAINT JOHN
STREET AS POINTS OF ACCESS.
AND THE SAINT JOHN WAS THE SHORTEST DISTANCE FOR ACCESS TO
MacDILL RATHER THAN GOING TO MATANZAS AND GETTING TO
COLUMBUS THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THE LEFT PHOTO ON SCREEN IS JUST ME MEASURING THE
PAVEMENT AND THE RIGHT SHOWING 8.5 FEET ROUGHLY.
YOU CAN SEE IT VARIES AS YOU WIGGLE TO THE NORTH THROUGH THE
CEMETERY.
HERE IS ANOTHER PHOTO.
THIS IS MY VEHICLE ON THE PATHWAY.
IT'S ONE WAY, BARELY FITS.
YOU COULD SEE MY TIRES ARE BARELY ON THERE.
ANYBODY BEEN TO MARTI-COLON CEMETERY, WE ALL KNOW IT'S VERY
TIGHT.
NOT ROOM TO WIDEN THE PATHWAY AND BARELY SOME OF THE TURN
ANGLES YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WHERE YOU ARE DRIVING.
ACTUALLY THE WEST PORTION OF THE CEMETERY WAS ACTUALLY
CLOSED DOWN TO VEHICULAR TRAFFIC BECAUSE THE PATH HAS BEEN
DETERIORATED AND IT'S NOT EVEN ACCESSIBLE BY VEHICLES AT
THIS POINT.
ANOTHER PICTURE SHOWING THE ENTRANCE AND ON THE RIGHT, THERE
IS ACTUALLY A SIGN THAT SAYS SLOW DOWN, RIGHT TURN ONLY.

THERE IS A MIRROR IN THE MEDIAN BECAUSE IT IS A BLIND RIGHT
TURN.
WHEN YOU PULL UP TO COLUMBUS, YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE LEFT.
YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE MIRROR TO KIND OF GAUGE WHAT IS
GOING ON.
THIS IS BUILDING INTO THE SAFETY ISSUES AND WHY WE CAN'T
ACCESS THE PROPERTY NORTH OF US, WHICH IS OWNED BY THE CITY.
AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW STAFF, WE WERE CONSISTENT
WITH ALL DEPARTMENTS EXCEPT FOR TRANSPORTATION, AND THAT
RELATES SOLELY TO THE ACCESS TO THE LOCAL STREET.
THAT IS THE ONLY WAIVER THAT TRANSPORTATION SPECIFICALLY
FOUND INCONSISTENT.
THE REMAINDER OF THE DEPARTMENTS FOUND US CONSISTENT.
AS MARK STATED, OUR CLIENT IS ENTITLED TO THIS ACCESS, TO
THE PUBLIC STREET.
ALMOST LIKE A TECHNICALITY THAT WE HAVE TO REQUEST THIS
WAIVER TO THE PUBLIC STREET.
WITHOUT THIS ACCESS, THE PROPERTY WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE LAND
LOCKED AND CREATE MOST LIKELY NUMEROUS LEGAL ISSUES.
THESE ARE SEVERAL GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES THAT WE'RE
COMPLIANT WITH.
I'M NOT GOING TO READ THEM OFF TO YOU, I PROMISE.
I KNOW YOU HAVE A LONG NIGHT AHEAD OF YOU, TURN THE
PRESENTATION IN FOR THE RECORD, BUT WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO RUSSELL
OTTENBERG.
HE IS OUR TRANSPORTATION PLANNER AND ADDRESS SOME OF THE
TRAFFIC GENERATION.
6:25:44PM >> GOOD EVENING, RUSSELL OTTENBERG.
PLANNING, INCORPORATED.
I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
ADD ONE THING REGARDING THE 20-FOOT ACCESS THAT RYAN WAS
DISCUSSING.
20-FOOT ACCESS ISN'T JUST A TECHNICAL STANDARD.
NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION REQUIREMENT THAT THE
FIRE MARSHAL ENFORCES THROUGH THE CITY AND WE DO A LOT OF
LAND DEVELOPMENT THROUGH THE CITY, SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH
THAT REQUIREMENT.
MOVING ON, WE LOOKED AT THE TRIP GENERATION FOR THE CEMETERY
AND WE'RE USING THE AVERAGE RATE ITE ALSO HAS A FITTED CURVE
EQUATION, BUT IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE THE CEMETERY IS SO
SMALL, IT WOULD ACTUALLY END UP WITH A NEGATIVE TRIP
GENERATION.
SO WE USE THE AVERAGE RATE INSTEAD.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE AVERAGE RATE FOR A CEMETERY THAT'S UNDER
AN ACRE 6.02 PER ACRE, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT SIX TRIPS FOR THE
CEMETERY.
THESE ARE DAILY TRIPS, TOTAL DAILY TRIPS, WHICH IS A DE
MINIMIS IMPACT.

PER THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S REPORT, WITHOUT A DENSITY
BONUS, IT WOULD ALLOW FOR 27 RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO BE
PERMITTED ON THE PROPERTY.
AS YOU CAN SEE, 27 UNITS WOULD YIELD 182 WEEKDAY TRIPS.
THAT AGAIN IS USING THE AVERAGE RATE, NOT THE FITTED CURVE.
IT IS AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON WITH THE CEMETERY.
FURTHERMORE, PER THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S REPORT, THIS
COULD ALSO BE A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD ALLOW UP
TO 40,500 OR SO SQUARE FEET OF NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, THIS COULD YIELD, SAY, HALF RETAIL, HALF
MEDICAL OFFICE, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, WHICH WOULD BE OVER 1800
DAILY TRIPS COMPARED TO THE SIX DAILY TRIPS THAT THE
CEMETERY WOULD GENERATE.
SO, OBVIOUSLY, THE CEMETERY IS A VERY LOW TRIP GENERATOR,
NOT EVEN LOOKING AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION REPORT, IF YOU
LOOK AT JUST WHAT CAN BE DEVELOPED BY RIGHT, WHICH IS FOUR
OR FIVE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, THAT WOULD GENERATE 47 DAILY
TRIPS, WHICH IS EIGHT TIMES THE AMOUNT OF TRIPS THAT THE
CEMETERY WOULD GENERATE.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TURN IT OVER TO RABBI.
YEAH, THERE IS ONE OTHER ITEM, AND THAT IS THE -- IF THIS
WERE DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL,
FOR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, THEY WOULD EACH HAVE THEIR
OWN DRIVEWAY SO YOU WOULD HAVE FOUR OR FIVE DRIVEWAYS.

IF IT WAS COMMERCIAL, YOU WOULD HAVE ONE OR TWO DRIVEWAYS.
WE HAVE ONE DRIVEWAY FOR THE CEMETERY.
WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE RABBI.
6:28:41PM >> I HAVE BEEN AFFIRMED.
DUBROWSKI.
NEED MY HOME ADDRESS FOR FAN MAIL?
6:28:49PM >> NO.
6:28:51PM >> I DIDN'T BRING A LARGE GROUP WITH ME.
UNFORTUNATELY, PEOPLE AREN'T SUPER ENTHUSIASTIC GOING ON THE
RECORD RELATED TO THEIR OWN MORTALITY AND END OF LIFE, SO
I'M REPRESENTING THEM.
BUT I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE AND TALK ABOUT THE
IMPORTANCE OF A JEWISH CEMETERY, WHICH IS AS IT SOUNDS A
CEMETERY DEDICATED TO LAYING PEOPLE TO REST IN THE JEWISH
FAITH.
AS SOMEONE THAT HAS GROWN UP HERE IN TAMPA AND UNDERSTANDS
WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A MINORITY, IT CAN BE DIFFICULT
SOMETIMES TO FEEL THAT YOUR FAITH IS CELEBRATED AND
RESPECTED AND VALUED, EVEN THOUGH WE LIVE IN A COUNTRY THAT,
OF COURSE, AFFORDS THOSE LIBERTIES AND FREEDOMS TO EVERYBODY
AND A STATE THAT CELEBRATES THAT AND THE CITY THAT
CELEBRATES THAT.
BUT THERE ARE MOMENTS IN OUR LIFE WHEN IT IS EVEN MORE
MEANINGFUL TO HAVE YOUR FAITH AND YOUR TRADITIONS RESPECTED
AND VALUED.

AND THOSE ARE MILESTONE MOMENTS.
AND AT THE VERY TOP OF THE LIST IS WHEN A PERSON PASSES.
FOR THE INDIVIDUAL PASSING TO KNOW THEY WILL HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO BE BURIED IN ACCORDANCE WITH TRADITION AND
SPACE DEDICATED TO THE TRADITION IS IMPORTANT AND THE FAMILY
DEALING WITH THE LOSS AND GRIEF, AS A RABBI, I DO A FAIR
AMOUNT OF FUNERALS.
CURRENTLY, THERE IS NO DEDICATED JEWISH CEMETERY.
6:30:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU'RE PART OF THE PRESENTATION.
MR. SHELBY, CAN I GIVE HIM ANOTHER 30 SECONDS?
YOU ALSO HAVE REBUTTAL.
30 MORE SECONDS.
6:30:20PM >> 30 SECONDS.
CURRENTLY, THERE IS NO DEDICATED JEWISH CEMETERY WITHIN THE
CITY OF TAMPA.
FOR SOMEONE TO DRIVE TO A DEDICATED JEWISH CEMETERY,
TYPICALLY I'M GOING TO LUTZ, WHICH IS DIFFICULT FOR THE
FUNERAL.
ALSO DIFFICULT FOR FAMILY MEMBERS THAT ARE GOING TO VISIT
THEIR LOVED ONES.
SO THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A CEMETERY THAT IS
DEDICATED TO YOUR FAITH, TO YOUR TRADITION, FOR THE FAMILY,
FOR THE INDIVIDUAL THAT'S LOOKING AT THEIR PASSING, AND THEN
TO BE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO A CITY THAT IS GROWING AND THAT
REQUIRES THIS, I THINK IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE.

AND THAT IS WHY WE ARE MOVING FORWARD AND ADVOCATING FOR
THIS OPPORTUNITY TODAY.
6:30:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THERE ARE JEWISH CEMETERIES DEDICATED IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
6:31:03PM >> THEY ARE SOLD OUT.
6:31:07PM >> LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION.
[ LAUGHTER ]
6:31:11PM >> BUT I CAN HOOK YOU UP.
6:31:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'VE GOT A SPACE OVER AT MYRTLE -- YES,
SIR, COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
6:31:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
QUESTIONS FOR YOU ALL.
I HAD INITIALLY BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT THE PD AND ASSUMING
THAT THE PD IS THERE MOSTLY BECAUSE OF GOING TO ZERO
SETBACK.
BUT THEN I SEE IN THE ADJACENT CEMETERY THEIR SETBACK SEEMS
TO BE ZERO AS WELL, ALONG THAT STREET CONSISTENT WITH ZERO?
I THINK I SAW THAT.
6:31:37PM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
IF YOU WALK AROUND MARTI-COLON, IT'S ZERO.
6:31:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT WILL BE A STRAIGHT LINE DOWN --
6:31:43PM >> CORRECT.
6:31:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
-- THE ONE STREET.
SIDEWALKS, DID -- YOU'RE HAVING SIDEWALKS ON BOTH STREETS?
6:31:51PM >> SITE PLAN CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 22 FOR SIDEWALKS, WHICH
IS THE REQUIREMENT PER THE CODE.

6:31:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
AND I DISCERNED FROM YOUR TESTIMONY YOU FEEL LIKE THE FUTURE
RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO BE HOMEBODIES.
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE COMING BACK AND FORTH VERY MUCH.
6:32:03PM >> YES, SIR.
6:32:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU.
6:32:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE NEED A LAUGH TRACK.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
6:32:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
DOES ANYBODY REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED IN
2023?
I THINK SOMEBODY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY OR SOMETHING.
SOMETHING COMES TO MY MIND ABOUT SOMETHING HAPPENED,
SOMEBODY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.
IT'S NOT RELATED BUT I GOT TO PUT IT ALL TOGETHER BECAUSE
WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS I SEE THE ONE ENTRANCE YOU HAVE, THE
ONLY ENTRANCE YOU HAVE REALLY IS ON COLUMBUS DRIVE.
YOU SAY YOU NEED TWO ENTRANCES.
IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE ASTURIANO HOSPITAL, CEMETERY
OR CENTRO ESPANOL, ONE ON LAKE, BUFFALO, MLK, YOU SEE THAT
THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT.
THE ROADS ARE NOT MUCH WIDER THAN THAT.
HOWEVER YOU GO BACK TO 1995 WHY IT IS WHY IT IS.
THERE WERE NO CARS IN 1995.
6:33:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
1895.

6:33:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
1895, EXCUSE ME.
I'M A HUNDRED YEARS AHEAD OF MYSELF.
BUT I'LL GET THERE IN TIME.
I LIKE TO GO FORWARD, NEVER BACKWARDS.
IN GOING BACKWARDS TO 1895, VERY LITTLE, IF ANY MOVEMENT
THERE OTHER THAN HORSEBACK OR WALKING.
IN FACT, HORSES ON CORDELIA -- I'M NOT GOING TO GO THERE
BECAUSE IT'S TOO LONG.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IF YOU LOOK AT SAINT JOHN AND YOU
LOOK AT MATANZAS, IT'S AN L.
THERE'S NO STRAIGHT STREET.
SAINT JOHN DOESN'T GO STRAIGHT TO MacDILL.
SO THAT STREET IS A LITTLE BIT WIDER THAN THIS ONE.
I'M LOOKING AT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN ON THE TRAFFIC PATTERN TO
THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE ONLY ONE WAY OUT AND ONE WAY IN
THAT SIDE.
IF YOU'RE SAYING CAN'T GET IN, CAN'T GET OUT FROM THE OTHER
SIDE, MEANS YOU GET IN AND OUT FROM THIS SIDE.
I'M LOOKING AT THIS THING REALISTICALLY.
THE PROPERTY, IT IS WHAT IT IS.
THE CITY HAD TO BUY A PORTION OF THAT, IF I RECALL, 2023,
AND THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ZONING.
BUT THE CITY HAD TO BUY PROPERTY TO SATISFY SOMETHING.
I FORGOT WHAT IT WAS, BECAUSE IT WAS A TECHNICAL THING AND
THE CITY IS REALLY OUT OF THE CEMETERY BUSINESS, BUT GUESS

WHAT, WE END UP MAINTAINING ALL OF THEM TO SPEAK OF.
THIS CEMETERY WAS OWNED BY ONE OR TWO OF THE PEOPLE THAT DOT
BURIAL SERVICES.
EVERY TIME YOU HAVE A BURY, SET SO MUCH MONEY ASIDE FOR
PERPETUAL MAINTENANCE FOREVER FOR THE CEMETERY.
GUESS WHAT, I GUESS THEY RAN OUT OF MONEY.
BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO, NOW THIS IS THE THIRD OR FOURTH THAT
WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN.
SOUNDS REAL GOOD, BUT I JUST WANT TO HEAR THE REST OF THE
CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE CITY PRESENTATION AND THE
NEIGHBORHOOD AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.
6:35:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME.
IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 4, PLEASE COME UP AND
STATE YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
6:36:12PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I SEE MS. MARTIN HAS A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
IF YOUR NAME IS CALLED, PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE YOU ARE HERE.
BARBARA.
SYLVIA DIAZ.
THANK YOU.
ADRIENNE LARAMIE.
THANK YOU.
SANDY SANCHEZ.
DONNY BLANCO.

REUBIN.
THANK YOU.
MIKE BENNETT.
THANK YOU.
I HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN NAMES FOR A
TOTAL OF TEN MINUTES.
6:36:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
GO AHEAD.
6:37:00PM >> MISSY MARTIN, 2729 MAIN STREET.
I WANTED TO START OFF, FIRST OF ALL, BY THANKING THE RABBI
BY MENTIONING THE PORTION OF THE MINORITIES AND HOW
IMPORTANT IT IS TO HAVE A PLACE THAT MARTI-COLON CEMETERY IS
FULL OF TAMPA'S ORIGINAL IMMIGRANTS DATING ALL THE WAY BACK
TO THE 1800s.
I'M GLAD HE MENTIONED THAT.
ALSO, BEFORE I START, I WANTED TO BE ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT
I'M NOT HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST THE PROPERTY'S USE AS A
CEMETERY.
IT'S A CEMETERY AND THAT'S WHAT IT SHOULD BE USED FOR.
WHAT I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT IS A VERY DETRIMENTAL REQUEST
FOR A PD ZONING AND TO ALLOW A MAIN ENTRANCE INTO A CEMETERY
INSIDE OF OUR WEST TAMPA NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEREFORE I AGREE WITH THE CITY STAFF AND MOBILITIES REPORT
THIS REQUEST IS NOT CONSISTENT.
THE APPLICANT HAS ASKED FOR SEVERAL WAIVERS WHICH WILL ALLOW

THEM TO PUT AN ENTRANCE TO THE PROPOSED CEMETERY THROUGH A
RESIDENTIAL AREA, AND THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
THE WAIVER REQUEST, PART OF THE WAIVER REQUEST IS TO ALLOW
NONRESIDENTIAL ACCESS TO A LOCAL STREET IN LIEU OF THE
REQUIRED COLLECTOR OR ARTERIAL STREETS.
WHILE THE OVERALL MAP SHOWS PDs IN THE AREA, IT DOES NOT
HIGHLIGHT ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY TO THE
SOUTH AND THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY, AND IT IS THE LARGE AREA
HIGHLIGHTED IN ORANGE AND IN BROWN.
THE SITE IS SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL, AND THAT IS THE FIRST
PAGE OF THE HANDOUT.
THE MAIN ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY HAS ALWAYS BEEN THROUGH
COLUMBUS DRIVE, WHICH IS AN ARTERIAL ROAD.
AND WHEN I SAY ALWAYS, THE MARTI-COLON CEMETERY HASN'T
ALWAYS BEEN OWNED BY THE CITY.
IT WAS PARTIALLY THE CITY AND PRIVATELY OWNED, AND THAT
STREET AND THAT ENTRANCE WAS GOOD ENOUGH THEN AND IT SHOULD
BE GOOD ENOUGH NOW.
IN THE PAST AND TODAY, ALL FUNERAL PROCESSIONS AND VISITORS
TO THE CEMETERY ARE ROUTED THROUGH THIS ROAD.
THE EXISTING INTERNAL DRIVEWAY EXTENDS FROM COLUMBUS DRIVE
TO THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY AND CAN BE EASILY DRIVEN THROUGH
TO GET TO THAT PARCEL.
YOU CAN SEE THIS IN THE HANDOUT ON THE NEXT THREE PAGES, SO
THAT'S PAGES TWO THROUGH FOUR.

ON PAGE 5, THE APPLICANT'S ORIGINAL SITE PLANS CALLED FOR
THE ENTRANCE THROUGH THE COLUMBUS DRIVE AND ST. JOHN STREET.
AS YOU CAN SEE WITH THEIR ARROWS, THEY SHOW AN ARROW ON THE
EXISTING DRIVEWAY LABELED SECONDARY ACCESS.
WHEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAW THIS PROPOSAL, THEY VOICED THEIR
CONCERN.
I MYSELF CALLED RYAN MANASSE WHO WORKS WITH MR. BENTLEY.
ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO AND GAVE HIM AN IDEA OF THE
NEIGHBORHOOD'S DISCOMFORT OF THE SAINT JOHN ENTRANCE OR
EXIT.
THE APPLICANT HAS KNOWN THAT THE ENTRANCE OR EXIT ON SAINT
JOHN WOULD BE AN AREA OF CONTENTION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY HAVE MADE NO ATTEMPT TO CONTACT ANYONE IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD EXCEPT FOR THE REQUIRED PUBLIC NOTICES.
AS YOU CAN SEE ON PAGE 6, SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY A
RETENTION POND WAS ADDED AND THE COLUMBUS DRIVE ENTRY
LABELED SECONDARY ACCESS WAS SCRAPPED.
THIS FURTHER HEIGHTENED THE CONCERN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND
ITS RESIDENTS.
THERE ARE ALSO SEVERAL ITEMS THE CITY HAS REQUESTED TO BE
ADDED TO THE SITE PLAN.
NONE OF THEM HAVE BEEN ADDED SINCE I LAST CHECKED ON
FEBRUARY 7.
IF I'M WRONG ON THIS PORTION, I STAND CORRECTED AND I LOOK
FORWARD TO SEEING THE CHANGES.

THE OTHER ITEM THAT WAS NOT ADDED WAS THE LAST SITE PLAN
THAT HE SHOWED WITH THE TWO BLUE ARROWS WITH THE EXIT AND
ENTRANCE ON MATANZAS.
AS OF THIS MORNING, THAT WAS NOT ON SIRE OR UPLOADED.
THE WAIVERS REQUESTED, REQUEST TO REDUCE THE MINIMUM LOT
SIZE FROM THE REQUIRED 85,000 SQUARE FEET DOWN TO 40,389.
THAT'S MORE THAN HALF.
REQUEST TO ALLOW NONRESIDENTIAL ACCESS TO A LOCAL STREET IN
LIEU OF THE REQUIRED COLLECTOR OR ARTERIAL STREET.
REQUEST TO ALLOW REDUCTION IN INTERMENT REQUIREMENT FROM 30
FEET TO 0 OF THE ZONING LOT LINE.
ON PAGE 7 I'VE GIVEN YOU A COPY FOR EASE OF UNDERSTANDING
AND SOME ADDITIONAL POINTS I HAVEN'T TOUCHED ON YET.
PLEASE SHOW SIDEWALKS ON THE SITE PLAN AND THE RIGHT-OF-WAY
ALONG SAINT JOHN STREET AND NORTH MATANZAS AVENUE.
CURRENTLY THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
PLEASE SHOW THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY APRON,
PEDESTRIAN ACCESS ON WEST SAINT JOHN STREET, NOT JUST THE
ARROWS.
FROM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REPORT, WE SEE OTHER ISSUES THAT
ARE NOT ON THE SITE PLAN AND IS UP FOR GRABS BETWEEN FIRST
AND SECOND READING.
SHOW THE SIDEWALKS ON THE SITE PLAN.
LABEL THE WIDTH OF THE SIDEWALK.
LABEL AS PROPOSED.

AMEND ZONING NOTE NUMBER 3 AS FOLLOWS: BURIAL PLOTS,
HEADSTONES, ET CETERA, SHALL HAVE NO SETBACKS.
SEE WAIVER REQUESTED.
A SIX-FOOT PVC OR WROUGHT IRON FENCING IS PERMITTED ON THE
PROPERTY.
THESE ARE MISSING FROM THE SITE PLAN WHICH GIVES THE
COMMUNITY MUCH CONCERN.
THESE ARE ISSUES THAT AFFECT THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT ALSO AFFECTS THOSE INTERRED ALONG THE
PROPERTY LINE OF THE MARTI-COLON CEMETERY AND THEIR
FAMILIES.
ARE SIDEWALKS GOING TO BE BUILT AND WHAT WIDTH WILL THEY BE
OR WILL THE APPLICANT DECIDE TO PAY INTO THE SIDEWALK FUND?
A CHOICE BETWEEN A SIX-FOOT WHITE PVC OR WROUGHT IRON FENCE.
A SIX-FOOT WHITE PVC WOULD NOT BE ACCEPTABLE. IT WOULD BE A
HIDING PLACE FOR VAGRANTS AND JEOPARDIZE THE SAFETY OF THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS IS WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD SEES IN THEIR PROPOSAL.
A FUNERAL PROCESSION TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH THEIR
RESIDENTIAL STREETS OR LOVED ONES COMING TO VISIT THE
INTERRED, PARKING ILLEGALLY BECAUSE PER CITY ORDINANCE,
THERE IS NO LEGAL PARKING ON SAINT CONRAD OR MATANZAS OR
SAINT JOHN.
THIS WILL LEAD TO BLOCKED DRIVEWAYS AND EXCESSIVE TRAFFIC TO
AN ALREADY BURDENED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I THINK THEY MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THEY ONLY HAVE ONE
REQUIRED PARKING SPACE.
WHERE ARE PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO PARK WHEN THEY COME TO THE
CEMETERY TO VISIT?
ON PAGE 8 IN THE ZONING NOTES, A 20-FOOT WIDE CIRCULAR
DRIVEWAY IS REQUIRED.
THIS IS ALSO NOT INCLUDED IN THE SITE PLAN.
THIS IS OUR FEAR AND IT'S REAL THAT YOU REZONE AS A PD AND
THEY FIND THAT IT IS NOT CONDUCIVE FOR THEIR CEMETERY AS
SUBMITTED.
THEN CITY COUNCIL YOU WOULD HAVE VOTED ON A FRIVOLOUS PD AND
WE ALL KNOW PD WILL FOLLOW THE PROPERTY IF THEY CHOOSE TO
SELL AND ALMOST ANYTHING CAN BE BUILT ON THE SITE WITH A PD.
I ASK THAT YOU ANSWER IS THE APPLICATION AND WAIVER REQUEST
BASED ON THESE REASONS AND BASED ON THE CITY STAFF
MOBILITIES REPORT FINDING THEM TO BE INCONSISTENT.
6:43:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
6:43:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SPEAKER WAIVER FORM FOR MS. BENNETT.
PAT CARPENTER.
PAM.
I'M SORRY.
PAM CARPENTER.
PAT SIMINO.
THANK YOU.

TWO ADDITIONAL MINUTES, PLEASE.
FOUR MINUTES.
THREE, FOUR, FIVE.
FIVE.
6:44:16PM >> HI.
MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
MISSY MARTIN TOOK ME ON A TOUR OF THIS CEMETERY IN A VERY
LARGE VEHICLE AND WE HAD NO PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER ENTERING IT
FROM COLUMBUS.
WE DROVE THROUGH IT.
OBVIOUSLY THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS THERE IS QUITE ADEQUATE
FOR FUNERALS.
A FUNERAL HAD JUST BEEN HELD THERE THE WEEKEND BEFORE.
THIS IS AN ACTIVE CEMETERY.
THEY JUST HELD A FUNERAL THE WEEKEND BEFORE I WAS THERE.
I FIND THIS PD TO BE VERY CONFUSING.
A PD IS A SITE PLAN CONTROL, BUT ALMOST NOTHING ON THIS SITE
PLAN.
IT LOOKS MORE LIKE A SURVEY.
ONE OF THE MAIN FEATURES OF THE PROPOSAL IS THE PEDESTRIAN
ACCESS ON THE SMALL RESIDENTIAL STREET, BUT THERE'S NO
LOCATION FOR THE GATE OR THE DRIVEWAY OR THE ACCESS.
THERE'S NOTHING ON THE SITE PLAN BUT AN ARROW.
THERE'S NO RENDERING OF WHAT THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS WILL LOOK
LIKE, WHAT THE GATE WILL LOOK LIKE, WHAT THE FENCE WILL LOOK

LIKE, IF THERE WILL BE A FENCE.
THERE'S NO DRIVEWAY.
THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS, THERE ARE NO CURBS.
THEY WANT TO DIRECT ALL OF THE TRAFFIC AND FUNERALS THROUGH
THIS GATE THAT WILL BE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS LITTLE
NEIGHBORHOOD AND YET THE NEIGHBORS HAVE NO IDEA HOW IT WILL
WORK OR WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE.
THEY SAY THEY WANT A CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY BUT TO SATISFY THE
FIRE DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENTS IT WILL HAVE TO BE HUGE.
AGAIN, IT'S NOT ON THE SITE PLAN.
FRANKLY, I THINK THIS APPLICATION IS INCOMPLETE.
THE PROPOSAL OF THE CEMETERY IS GOOD.
EVERYBODY IS HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
BUT WHY DON'T THEY COMPLY WITH THE CODE AND USE THE ENTRANCE
AND DRIVEWAY ON COLUMBUS THAT HAS WORKED FOR DECADES AND IS
STILL ACTIVELY USED?
THEY CAN BUILD ANY KIND OF ROAD THEY WANT.
THE ENTRANCE IS THE ISSUE.
THEY JUST NEED TO USE COLUMBUS.
THIS IS A PUBLIC PROPERTY OWNED BY THE CITY.
IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC EVERY SINGLE DAY.
ACCESS CANNOT BE RESTRICTED.
THIS IS POORLY THOUGHT OUT AND INAPPROPRIATE TO FORCE THE
TRAFFIC THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT VIOLATES THE CODE.
INSTEAD OF USING THE EXISTING ENTRANCE ON COLUMBUS.

IF THEY USE THE ENTRANCE TO THIS LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD,
THERE'S NO ROOM FOR PEOPLE'S CARS, WHETHER THEY ARE FUNERAL
ATTENDEES OR EVEN VISITORS.
I'VE BEEN TO THE SITE.
THE MOURNERS AND VISITORS WILL END UP PARKING ILLEGALLY IN
THE FRONT YARDS OF THE NEIGHBORS.
THIS WILL BE VERY DISRUPTING AND FOR NO REASON.
THE INFRASTRUCTURE WHICH COMPLIES WITH THE CODE IS ALREADY
THERE.
JUST USE THAT AND DO WHAT OBVIOUSLY WORKS, ENTER FROM
COLUMBUS.
THE WAIVER TO REDUCE THE SETBACKS FOR BURIAL PLOTS AND
HEADSTONES FROM 30 FEET TO ZERO FEET DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A
GOOD IDEA TO ME.
THEY MIGHT ONLY BE ASKING FOR THIS BECAUSE THEY ARE USING UP
SO MUCH SPACE WITH REDUNDANT AND NONCOMPLIANT
INFRASTRUCTURE.
BUT OTHERWISE, THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM FOR INTERMENTS WITHOUT
REDUCING 30-FOOT SETBACK TO 0.
AGAIN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.
CEMETERY NO-BRAINER, EASY PEASY BUT THEY SEEM TO BE MAKING
IT HARD AND DISRUPTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE LAND USE GOALS LISTED IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION REPORT,
I'M NOT GOING TO WASTE YOUR TIME GOING THROUGH ALL OF THEM,
BUT I READ THROUGH THEM AND MOST OF THEM DON'T APPLY AT ALL.

ONE OF THEM IN PARTICULAR SAID PROVIDE APPROPRIATE
PEDESTRIAN LIGHTING, LANDSCAPING, STREET FURNISHINGS,
INCLUDING BENCHES, TRASH RECEPTACLES AND TRANSIT STOPS.
WELL, THIS SITE PLAN DOESN'T SHOW ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THERE WAS ALSO A MENTION BY NATURAL RESOURCES THAT THERE IS
AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL AND THERE NEEDS TO BE A WALL ERECTED
BETWEEN THE CEMETERY AND THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL THAT'S NOT
ON THE SITE PLAN.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO CITE LU POLICY 9.3.8. IT IS THE INTENT
OF THE CITY THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS BE MINIMALLY
DISRUPTIVE TO ADJACENT AREAS.
THE CITY SHALL ASSESS THE POTENTIAL POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE
ASPECTS.
I'M SORRY.
I THINK I QUOTED THE WRONG ONE.
IT SAYS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SCRATCH THAT.
MY MISTAKE.
BUT I WILL CITE SECTION 27-132C REQUEST TO ALLOW
NONRESIDENTIAL ACCESS TO A LOCAL STREET IN LIEU OF THE
REQUIRED COLLECTOR OR ARTERIAL STREET.
THAT'S ONE OF THE WAIVERS THAT NEEDS TO BE DENIED BASED ON
THAT.
THE OTHER WAIVER, SECTION 27-132D, REQUEST TO ALLOW
REDUCTION IN INTERMENT REQUIREMENT FROM 30 FEET TO 0 FEET OF

ANY ZONING LOT LINE.
PLEASE UPHOLD THE STAFF FINDING OF INCONSISTENT.
DENY THE TWO WAIVERS.
VOTE NO.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS UNANIMOUSLY AGAINST THIS PROJECT.
THEY ARE ONLY AGAINST THE ENTRANCE.
THEY LOVE THE IDEA OF THE CEMETERY.
THANK YOU.
6:48:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
6:48:51PM >> YEAH, LEAVE THIS UP HERE.
GOOD EVENING.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY, REALLY BOTHERS ME ABOUT THIS,
BECAUSE GOD AND EVERYBODY CAME THIS MORNING AND WAS
COMPLAINING THAT THEIR CEMETERY DOESN'T HAVE A FENCE.
BUT YET OPTIONAL.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT -- YOU KNOW, I HAD TO GO BACK AND
LOOK TO MAKE SURE THIS WAS A REZONING BECAUSE THIS SITE PLAN
DOESN'T HAVE ANY OF THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD ANTICIPATE IF
YOU WERE PUTTING A BUILDING ON IT.
AND THEY DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO DO A SITE PLAN WITH A BUILDING.
THERE'S NO SIDEWALK.
THERE'S NO ROAD.
AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THIS.

WHEN I LOOKED AT THE MINERAL RIGHTS FOR MY GREAT, GREAT,
GREAT GRANDFATHER, THERE ARE ROAD RIGHT-OF-WAYS THAT ARE
WRITTEN -- THAT ARE STILL IN PLACE A HUNDRED YEARS LATER.
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THESE FOLKS DIDN'T COME TO THE
CITY AND SAY, HEY, LET'S DO THE EASEMENT FROM THE OTHER
CEMETERY.
KIND OF MAKES SENSE TO ME.
MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING, BUT THE FENCE THING REALLY
BOTHERS ME, AND NOBODY ELSE WAS HERE THIS MORNING BUT YOU
GUYS AND I TO HEAR ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE COMPLAINING THAT
THERE'S NOT A FENCE AROUND THE CEMETERY THEY WERE TALKING
ABOUT.
I'M NOT EVEN SURE.
IT MIGHT BE THE ONE ABUTTING THIS ONE.
I JUST REALLY, REALLY DESPERATELY WANT TO SEE THE SIDEWALKS
ON HERE.
I DESPERATELY WANT TO SEE WHERE THIS TURNAROUND IS GOING TO
BE.
AND IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
LIKE I SAID, I THOUGHT, OH, IS THIS A PD, BECAUSE PDs
DON'T HAVE TO HAVE OR LAND USE CHANGE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO
HAVE A SITE PLAN, BUT NOTHING IS ON HERE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO
BE ON HERE.
LIKE MS. MARTIN SAID, SHE CHECKED ON THE 7th AND I LOOKED
THIS EVENING AND THIS WAS THE LAST PLAN I SAW.

AND IF THERE WAS A BUILDING ON THIS PLAN, THEN IT WOULD HAVE
TO BE THERE.
THE SIDEWALKS WOULD HAVE TO BE THERE.
THE DRIVEWAY WOULD HAVE TO BE THERE.
WHY IS THIS EXEMPT?
BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONLY THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE BUILT.
REALLY EASY TO PUT THOSE THINGS IN, AND WE NEED FENCES.
I'M SORRY.
MAYBE WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE CODE FOR CEMETERIES WHEN
WE REZONE FOR CEMETERIES BECAUSE THE FENCE NEEDS TO BE
BUILT.
IT SHOULD NOT BE THE CITY DISHING OUT A HALF A MILLION
DOLLARS FOR A FENCE LIKE THE ONE WE DISCUSSED THIS MORNING.
THANK YOU.
6:51:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
I THINK THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS?
YES, MA'AM.
6:51:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
ONE OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTERS MENTIONED THE FACT THAT ONCE IT
IS A PD IT COULD BE ANYTHING, BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE.
6:51:42PM >> NO, MA'AM, THAT IS INCORRECT.
THE PERSON THAT WAS SPEAKING FROM THE PUBLIC WAS INCORRECT.
IT CANNOT BE ANYTHING.

THE PD LIMITS YOU TO WHAT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DO.
6:51:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND YOU MAY NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT
I'M CURIOUS, WHERE DO PEOPLE PARK RIGHT NOW WHEN THEY GO TO
THE CITY'S CEMETERY?
6:52:01PM >>SAMUEL THOMAS:
I DO NOT KNOW FOR SURE.
CAN I ONLY SPECULATE THEY WOULD PROBABLY PARK IN THE DRIVE
AISLE THAT HAS ACCESS.
I ASSUME MAYBE BECAUSE THE ONLY ACCESS TO MARTI-COLON IS OFF
COLUMBUS DRIVE.
UNLESS YOU WERE TRESPASSING THROUGH THIS PROPERTY TO GET
THERE AND PARKING ON THE STREET, THEN THE ONLY WAY TO ENTER
IT AND PARK WOULD BE PROBABLY JUST AS MR. MANASSE SHOWED
THAT HE DRIVES HIS VEHICLE DOWN THERE, THEN PARKS AND GETS
OUT, EFFECTIVELY BLOCKING THE DRIVE AISLE.
6:52:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHICH IN MY EXPERIENCE IN A CEMETERY IS HOW
IT'S WORKED AS WELL.
THEN I HAVE A QUESTION.
IT SEEMS TO BE CENTERING ON THE QUESTION OF WHY CAN'T A
PRIVATE CEMETERY USE A PUBLIC CEMETERY'S ACCESS.
WHY CAN'T A PRIVATE ENTITY USE PUBLIC ENTITY'S ACCESS?
6:52:51PM >>SAMUEL THOMAS:
I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING THAT WOULD
RESTRICT.
THAT SOUNDS MAYBE MORE LEGAL AND SOMETHING THAT THE CITY AND
THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH
SOME TYPE OF EASEMENT LIKE THAT.

I DON'T WANT TO PUT LEGAL ON THE SPOT BECAUSE MAYBE THAT'S
INCORRECT.
I HONESTLY COULD NOT GIVE YOU A VERY WELL DETAILED ANSWER AS
TO WHAT THE CASE IS ON THAT.
6:53:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APPRECIATE IT.
THEN I WILL ASK LEGAL.
I WILL PUT THEM ON THE SPOT AND ASK, BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO
BE THE CRUX OF WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY.
WHY CAN'T A PRIVATE ENTITY USE PUBLIC ENTITY'S ACCESS?
6:53:28PM >>CATE WELLS:
CATE WELLS, LEGAL DEPARTMENT, FOR THE RECORD.
I DON'T RECALL THAT COMING UP FOR DISCUSSION AT DRC.
TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE IS A DESIRE FOR ACCESS OVER THAT
RIGHT-OF-WAY, THAT IS A DISCUSSION THAT CAN OCCUR WITH THE
MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
IF IT'S ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY, THAT LANGUAGE WOULD BE
WORKED OUT AS A CONDITION ON THE SITE PLAN AND AN EASEMENT
WOULD BE RECORDED.
I DON'T WANT TO SPECULATE AT THIS POINT JUST BECAUSE THE
CITY, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, HAS NOT BEEN APPROACHED WITH REGARD
TO THAT POSSIBILITY.
6:54:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND THEN I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
WHAT ARE THE HOURS AND DAYS THAT THIS CEMETERY IS OPEN TO
THE PUBLIC?
I'M SORRY, THE CITY CEMETERY IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
6:54:19PM >>SAMUEL THOMAS:
I HONESTLY DO NOT KNOW THAT.

BUT I WOULD IMAGINE, AS WITH OTHER CEMETERIES LIKE THE ONE
IN DOWNTOWN FROM HERE, IT IS DUSK TO DAWN.
6:54:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EVERY SINGLE DAY?
6:54:28PM >>SAMUEL THOMAS:
I WOULD IMAGINE SO.
AT LEAST MY FAMILIARITY INTERACTING WITH THE CEMETERY
DOWNTOWN FROM WHERE I USED TO LIVE, IF IT WAS IN THE MORNING
TIME, SUNRISE TO SUNSET.
6:54:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE MIGHT HAVE AN ANSWER FROM
THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
6:54:42PM >>SAMUEL THOMAS:
8 A.M. TO 6 P.M.
6:54:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SEVEN DAYS A WEEK?
6:54:45PM >>SAMUEL THOMAS:
YES, MA'AM.
6:54:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION TO MAKE SURE
THERE WAS ACCESS SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
6:54:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
6:54:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
KIND OF ALONG THE SAME LINE BUT MAYBE 180
DEGREES OFF AND FOR LEGAL, CATE, ARE YOU AWARE OF EXAMPLES
WHERE CITY-OWNED PROPERTY ROADS ARE USED TO ACCESS PRIVATELY
HELD?
LIKE IF McDONALD'S WANTED TO PUT A McDONALD'S HERE,
COULD YOU SEE US GIVING THEM PERMISSION TO DRIVE THROUGH --
6:55:20PM >>CATE WELLS:
PUBLIC ROADS ARE PUBLIC ROADS.
I CAN'T DISCUSS -- I CAN'T SAY THAT.
AGAIN, THIS ISSUE DID NOT COME UP.
THE CITY HASN'T BEEN APPROACHED.

I'M THE LAST PERSON WHO WANTS TO SPECULATE JUST TO GIVE YOU
AN ANSWER.
THAT WOULDN'T BE FAIR TO THIS COUNCIL.
IT WOULDN'T BE FAIR TO THE APPLICANT.
TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE IS -- I THINK THE QUESTIONS ARE
WHETHER THERE IS THE ABILITY FOR ACCESS TO THIS PARCEL IS IT
BY RIGHT OVER THE ACCESS ON MARTI-COLON, ALTERNATIVELY, IF
IT'S NOT BY RIGHT, THEN WOULD THERE BE THE ABILITY TO
NEGOTIATE AN EASEMENT WITH THE CITY?
BUT THOSE ARE CONVERSATIONS THAT WOULD HAVE TO OCCUR WITH
THE RESPECTIVE DEPARTMENTS AND BE BROUGHT BACK TO COUNCIL.
6:56:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU SAY BY RIGHT.
ELIMINATE THE EXISTING CEMETERY COMPLETELY AND WE LOOK AT
THIS PARCEL OF LAND.
IF THEY WANTED TO DEVELOP THIS PARCEL OF LAND BY RIGHT, WHAT
WOULD BE THEIR ACCESS PRIVILEGES.
6:56:16PM >>CATE WELLS:
WHAT THEY HAVE REPRESENTED TO COUNCIL IS
ACCESS OVER MATANZAS AND WEST SAINT JOHN.
THOSE ARE PUBLICLY DEDICATED ROADS.
WHAT I CAN'T SPEAK TO IS WITH REGARD TO THE ACCESS FROM
COLUMBUS.
I'M NOT PREPARED TO SPEAK TO WHAT THAT ACCESS IS.
6:56:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ELIMINATE THAT COMPLETELY.
SO THAT CEMETERY DOESN'T EXIST.
THAT'S A BERLIN WALL THERE.

AND WE'RE DEVELOPING THIS PROPERTY INDEPENDENTLY, THEY WOULD
BY RIGHT HAVE ACCESS TO BOTH OF THE ROADS TO DEVELOP THIS
PROPERTY.
6:56:46PM >>CATE WELLS:
THOSE ARE PUBLIC ROADS.
THE ISSUE THEN IS THE FACT THAT CERTAIN USES REQUIRE ACCESS
TO AN ARTERIAL OR A COLLECTOR ROAD AND WOULD REQUIRE A
WAIVER FOR ACCESS OVER A LOCAL ROAD.
MR. BENTLEY BROUGHT UP THE SEPARATE LEGAL ISSUE AS TO IF YOU
DENY THAT WAIVER, THEN ARGUABLY THIS PARCEL IS LAND LOCKED.
AND THERE ARE LEGAL ISSUES RELATED TO THAT.
AGAIN, NOT PREPARED TO ADDRESS THAT THIS EVENING.
I RECALL SOME OF THE CASES I WOULD NOT WANT TO ADDRESS THAT
ISSUE IN DETAIL WITHOUT FURTHER RESEARCH.
6:57:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT IS WHAT I WAS GETTING AT, THE LAND
LOCKED QUESTION.
VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU.
6:57:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
BEFORE YOU GET INTO REBUTTAL, THIS IS JUST SOMETHING TO
THINK ABOUT.
IT APPEARS TO ME FROM PUBLIC COMMENT THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD
IS OPPOSED TO THIS.
SOME FOLKS SPOKE WITH SPEAKER WAIVER FORMS.
WOULD THE PETITIONER BE OPEN TO JUST HAVING ACCESS THROUGH

COLUMBUS AND ELIMINATING THAT -- WHAT IS IT, SAINT JOHN
ACCESS AND JUST EXTENDING THE ROAD AND CREATING LIKE A
CIRCULAR CONNECTOR THERE OR NO?
6:58:07PM >> NO, THEY WOULDN'T.
FIRST OF ALL, TO CHARACTERIZE IT AS A ROAD, YOU WON'T SEE IT
ON ANY MAP.
IT IS A PATH AT BEST.
AND THERE ARE TECHNICAL STANDARDS WHICH APPARENTLY THE CITY
IS SUGGESTING, THEY DON'T HAVE TO ADHERE TO, BUT THROUGH THE
ZONING PROCESS, WE HAD TO ADHERE TO.
IT'S REAL IMPORTANT -- AND THE RABBI DIDN'T GET THE
OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT IT -- BUT IN THE JEWISH FAITH, FOR
THEM TO DRIVE THROUGH WHAT IS PRIMARILY A CATHOLIC CEMETERY
TO GET TO THE JEWISH CEMETERY IS CONSIDERED DISRESPECTFUL.
OKAY.
I'M JUST TELLING IT LIKE IT IS.
ALSO, IT WOULD IMPEDE OR ELIMINATE A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM
GOING TO THE CEMETERY OR, YOU KNOW, JUST USING IT FOR THEIR
LOVED ONES, WHAT HAVE YOU.
I THINK THE POINT THAT MR. CLENDENIN MADE IS FORGET ABOUT
THIS ZONING, YOU'VE GOT RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
YOU'VE GOT THE COMMERCIAL ZONING.
THESE PROPERTIES ARE ENTITLED TO ACCESS THROUGH THAT
NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PUSH-BACK BECAUSE YOU COULD

HAVE SO MUCH TRAFFIC GENERATED BY THE USES THAT ARE
AUTHORIZED AS WE SPEAK VERSUS THIS, WITH AN OCCASIONAL
FUNERAL, MAYBE TWO AT BEST.
FUNERALS THAT LAST AN HOUR, 20 CARS THERE.
PARKING ON-SITE.
THE SIDEWALK ISSUE, THAT WAS MENTIONED EARLY ON.
THAT IS A NOTE ON THE SITE PLAN.
CERTAINLY WE'LL COMPLY WITH CHAPTER 22.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF MISINFORMATION.
TO GET BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, THEY WOULD NOT CONSIDER THAT.
THEY ARE ENTITLED TO ACCESS TO THESE CONTIGUOUS PUBLIC
ROADS.
ONE OR THE OTHER OR BOTH.
6:59:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU MENTIONED THAT IN THE FAITH IT WOULD
BE CONSIDERED DISRESPECTFUL HAVING TO DRIVE THROUGH A
CATHOLIC SECTION INTO THE JEWISH SECTION, WHETHER IT'S TRUE
OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD OF IT.
I DIDN'T THINK OF THAT.
7:00:02PM >> IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND THE RABBI, GIVE HIM A SEC.
7:00:07PM >> MENDI DUBROWSKI.
7:00:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD, SIR.
07:00:15PM >> I WANT TO SAY ALSO THAT THE HOURS ARE A CONSIDERATION
BECAUSE YOU ARE LIMITING YOUR AVAILABILITY.
FOR WHATEVER REASON, THAT CEMETERY IS CLOSED, AND COULD BE
AN EARLY MORNING -- YOU WANT TO DO AN EARLY MORNING FUNERAL
OR LATER IN THE EVENING FUNERAL.
SUNRISE CAN HAPPEN BEFORE AND 8:00, AND SUNDOWN CAN HAPPEN
AFTER 6:00.
YOU CAN NOT OFFER THAT.
THE CEMETERY BEING THE IDEAL USE.
YOU WILL HAVE LIMITED ACCESS TO YOUR CEMETERY.
LIMITED AVAILABILITY.
THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO COME TO VISIT IS LIMITED AROUND
THOSE PARAMETERS, AND THAT IS WHAT CREATES THIS INHERENT
CHALLENGE.
ON THE JEWISH PART OF IT, YEAH, THE REALITY OF IT IS,
DRIVING THROUGH A CEMETERY THAT IS NOT DEDICATED TO OUR
PEOPLE -- PEOPLE WOULDN'T GO INTO THE CEMETERY AT ALL AND
THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE FUNERAL
PROCESSION OR ATTEND GRAVE SITES BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T ENTER
INTO A CEMETERY OF ANOTHER RELIGIOUS NATURE.
ESSENTIALLY IT IS LIKE HALLOWED GROUND.
IF THEY WOULDN'T PARTICIPATE IN A CHURCH SERVICE, THEY
WOULDN'T ENTER INTO A CATHOLIC CEMETERY.
07:01:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOUR HAND IT UP AND
THEN COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
07:01:29PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. BENTLEY, TO THE RIGHT -- I AM NOT
LANDLOCKING -- YOU USED A DIFFERENT TERM EARLIER.
SO COULD YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN ALSO THE -- ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS
MENTIONED THAT THEY HAD TALKED TO YOU ALL LIKE A YEAR AGO OR
SOME TIME AGO OF TRYING TO FIND SOME ALTERNATIVE ROUTE IN
AND OUT, BUT THEN NOBODY FOLLOWED UP WITH THEM.
07:01:52PM >> THAT IS NOT TRUE.
07:01:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT.
07:01:56PM >> RYAN HAS BEEN HANDLING THAT AND HAS BEEN THROUGH IT FOR A
NUMBER OF YEARS.
SAME WITH ME.
HE HAD BACK-AND-FORTH DIALOGUE AND CONSIDERATION WITH THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE ISSUE OF SIDEWALKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT AS A RESULT
OF THESE DISCUSSIONS, IT DIDN'T LAST TOO LONG, YOU WOULD
SAY.
IT WASN'T ONGOING BECAUSE THE ONLY ISSUE THAT CRYSTALIZED
IS ACCESS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN MATANZAS OR ST. JOHN'S.
IT WASN'T DIALOGUE.
WE SENT OUT A NOTICE.
WE ARE GOOD AT REACHING OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND GOING
THROUGH THAT EXERCISE AND GETTING INPUT FROM THEM, YOU KNOW.
ONE THING I WANT TO MENTION TO YOU.
YOU HAVE YOUR TRANSPORTATION PLANNER SITTING RIGHT HERE.
YOU SHOULD ASK THEIR PROFESSIONAL OPINION ABOUT ACCESS
THROUGH THE CEMETERY FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT OR ANY
TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
YOU CAN'T FORCE A DEVELOPER WHO HAS CONTIGUOUS PUBLIC ROADS
TO GO THROUGH PRIVATE PROPERTY ON SOME SUBSTANDARD LANE.
YOU KNOW, THEY ARE MAKING US DEVELOP A CEMETERY DRIVE 20
FEET.
AND THE CITY IS GOING TO TURN AROUND FOR THE SAKE OF
EXPEDIENCE TO APPEASE SOME NEIGHBORS?
IT HAS GOT TO BE ON YOUR PROPERTY BUT COME ON THROUGH,
YOU CAN GO ON OUR EIGHT-FOOT LANE AND GO OUT TO COLUMBUS,
YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT BARELY HAS ANY ASPHALT
IN SOME PLACES.
IF THE CITY WANTS TO WIDEN THE ROAD 20 FEET AND TAKE CARE OF
THE ENTRANCE AND PERMITTING, MAYBE SOMETHING WE WILL
CONSIDER.
THEY CAN'T WIDEN IT BECAUSE THERE ARE GRAVES GOING UP TO THE
EIGHT-FOOT ROAD ON A LARGE SPAN -- I CALL IT A ROAD -- ON
THIS PATH.
07:03:40PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WAS THERE NO OTHER SOLUTION BESIDES THOSE
TWO?
07:03:47PM >> NO, WE TOOK THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS LIKE RYAN MENTIONED
WHEN WE MAPPED OUT THE -- THE LINEAL FOOTAGE GOING
TO MATANZAS AND GOING TO ST. JOHN'S.
THAT WAS THE BETTER OPTION, 500 FEET SMARTER OR SOMETHING
LIKE THAT.
WE ARE TALKING OF MAYBE TWO FUNERALS A MONTH THAT LAST AN
HOUR.
THEY ARE GONE.
ALL RIGHT.
A VERY SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND I AM NOT AN EXPERT ON
CEMETERY LAW OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT OR THE OPERATIONS, BUT IT
IS NOT GOING TO BE OPERATION PROBABLY ALL THAT LONG, YOU
KNOW, FOR A FEW YEARS AT BEST.
AND EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE SELF-CONTAINED ON-SITE.
THE PARKING AND ALL THAT.
NOT GOING TO BE ANY PARKING OR RIGHT-OF-WAYS.
WE HAVE PLENTY OF PARKING.
THE SITE PLAN LOOKS PRETTY VAGUE BUT TALKING TO THE CEMETERY.
YOU TALK TO LACHONE, WE MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A PD.
AND SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS ARE READING THE ERROR OR OMISSION
OR THE CHANGE LIST FOR HAD REVISED SITE PLAN AND WHAT HER
READING AND ALL OF THAT WILL BE ON THE SITE PLAN IF WE MAKE
IT TO SECOND READING.
ANYHOW, ENOUGH SAID.
07:04:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU HIT ON QUITE A BIT OF WHAT I WAS GOING
TO ASK ABOUT.
FIRST, I WANT TO ASK ABOUT CONCEPTUAL STORMWATER POND.
THE CITY MAKES YOU PUT -- WHEN YOU DO A PD, YOU HAVE TO
ACCOMMODATE STORMWATER.
RUSSELL, OUR PLANNER ENGINEER.
07:05:13PM >> RUSSELL LAUTENBERG.
THE REASON WE PUT CONCEPTUAL BECAUSE WE ARE NOT DOING
ENGINEERING AT THIS POINT.
TO DO ENGINEERING YOU NEED TOPOGRAPHY.
GEOTECHNICAL WORK.
SOIL BORINGS.
TESTS.
WE NEED HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL CONDUCTIVITY, CHECK THE
OUTFALL, DOWNSTREAM CONDITIONS.
ALL OF THAT IS WAY -- NO PUN INTENDED -- DOWN STREAM IN A PD
ZONING.
SOMETHING WE ADDRESS DURING PERMITTING WHEN GOING THROUGH
CONSTRUCTION SERVICES.
THAT IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO DO THAT AND WE CUSTOMARY DO
THAT.
WE DO A LOT OF WORK WITHIN THE CITY WHERE WE DO LAND
DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND SO FORTH.
WE WILL DO IS THAT AT THAT TIME.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE ON THIS PD SITE PLAN IS OUTLINE 20% OF THE
OVERALL PROPERTY DEDICATED TO STORMWATER, WHICH AT THIS
LEVEL OF PLANNING IS NORMAL AND CUSTOMARY FOR PROJECTS.
THAT IS WHAT WE DO THROUGHOUT THE STATE WHEN DOING
CONCEPTUAL SITE PLANS FOR PD SITE PLANS.
WE ALLOCATE 20% OF THE SITE.
THE LOCATION OF THAT MAY VARY AND CHANGE.
THE CONFIGURATION MAY CHANGE SOMEWHAT BASED ON TOPOGRAPHY,
TREES, OTHER THINGS, INTERNAL DRIVES.
07:06:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
UNCLE.
WAY TOO MUCH INFORMATION.
[LAUGHTER]
MR. BENTLEY, SO YOU ALREADY KIND OF ANSWERED THIS, BUT I
WANT TO CLARIFY THIS.
YOUR INTENTION BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING TO INCLUDE
ON THE SITE PLAN THE SIDEWALK LOCATION AND WIDTH?
07:06:49PM >> YEAH, LET ME -- THAT'S CORRECT, RIGHT, RUSSELL?
07:06:53PM >> YES, WE WILL ADD ALL OF THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE -- THAT ARE
ENUMERATED IN THE STAFF REPORT TO BE INCLUDED BETWEEN FIRST
AND SECOND READING SO IT WILL SHOW THE SIDEWALKS, THE WIDTH
AND LOCATION.
07:07:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TALK TO ME ABOUT A FENCE AND WHAT THAT --
WHAT THAT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND
READING?
07:07:10PM >> WELL, WE HAVE THE TWO OPTIONS, PVC AND WROUGHT IRON.
07:07:14PM >> NOT GOING TO BE PVC.
07:07:16PM >> WE CAN COMMIT THAT TO THE OPTION AND COMMIT TO THE WROUGHT
IRON.
07:07:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND NOTING --
07:07:23PM >> IRON TYPE THEY CALL IT.
SOMETIMES ALUMINIUM THAT LOOKS LIKE WROUGHT IRON.
NOT A PROBLEMS.
07:07:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOT A PROBLEM.
AND TRANSPORTATION EXPERTS, WILL YOU BE FOLLOWING COME AND
TALK ABOUT TRANSPORTATION?
07:07:39PM >> SORRY, JONATHAN.
07:07:40PM >>JONATHON SCOTT:
JONATHAN SCOTT, TRANSPORTATION.
DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION --
07:07:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHAT IS YOUR POINT.
07:07:49PM >>JONATHAN SCOTT:
JONATHAN SCOTT, TRANSPORTATION.
07:07:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE TESTIMONY OF THE APPLICANT IS THAT
THERE IS A PROBLEM -- PARCEL WITH THE TERM "LANDLOCKED."
AND MOBILITY ISSUES WITH ACCESS.
CAN YOU STATE WHAT THE CITY'S POSITION IS AS FAR AS ACCESS
TO THIS PARCEL?
07:08:09PM >>JONATHAN SCOTT:
YES, BASICALLY RIGHT NOW IT FACES THOSE TWO LOCAL
STREETS.
THERE IS NO, LIKE, CROSS-ACCESS AGREEMENTS WITH THE CITY
OWNED PROPERTY TO THE NORTH THAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.
ANY NEW DISCUSSIONS WOULD BE EVEN MORE OF A LEGAL ASPECT
THAT I CAN'T REALLY GET INTO.
BUT THAT IS HOW IT EXISTS TODAY.
07:08:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOBILITY'S POSITION IS ACCESS TO THE
STREET -- TWO STREETS THAT ABUT THIS?
07:08:34PM >>JONATHAN SCOTT:
THAT'S CORRECT.
07:08:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE IT.
07:08:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
07:08:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO SAY, UNDER THE LAND DEVELOPMENT
27-136.
CEMETERY 85,000 SQUARE FEET, ONE.
AND OFF OF A COLLECTOR AND INTERIOR ROAD, TWO.
AND THREE, A 30-FOOT SETBACK?
MAYBE I AM SPEAKING OF THE WRONG THING.
07:09:03PM >> HERE IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN.
HALF THE PROPERTY -- I WILL CALL IT HALF -- HALF CG
CEMETERIES ARE PERMITTED WITHOUT ANY MINIMUM LOT SIZE, ANY
SETBACKS FOR GRAVES AND ALL THAT STUFF THAW JUST MENTIONED.
THE OTHER PART IS RS-50, AND THAT ALLOWS A CEMETERY AS A
SPECIAL USE.
THAT IS WHEN THESE STANDARDS KICK IN, MR. MIRANDA, THAW READ
ABOUT THE MINIMUM SIZE AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
QUESTION NUMBER ONE IS, IF YOU ARE DOING A PD, YOU ARE
CREATING YOUR OWN ZONING.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO RESPECT ANY CERTAIN STANDARDS OR ANYTHING
LIKE THAT.
FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE DIDN'T HAVE TO MEET OUR STANDARDS,
BUT THE STAFF SAID WE ARE APPLYING THESE SPECIAL USE
STANDARDS TO YOUR CEMETERY AND YOU NEED WAIVERS TO THE
MINIMUM SIZE THAW JUST RATTLED OFF, MR. MIRANDA, AND THE
SETBACK FOR THE -- FOR THE -- FOR THE GRAVES, I THINK, IS 30
FEET.
SO WE REQUESTED A WAIVER TO ZERO ON THAT BECAUSE LIKE YOU
MENTIONED EARLY ON, THE ENTIRE MARTI COLON, THE GRAVES GO UP
TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
07:10:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT ZONED PD?
07:10:10PM >> IDENTIFY YOURSELF.
07:10:11PM >> RYAN MANASSE, JOHNSON POPE.
RS-50 AND CG GOES NORTH, CORRECT?
RM-16 TO THE NORTHERN PART -- MAYBE PUT IT ON THE SCREEN.
HERE IS STAFF'S ZONING MAP.
07:10:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THOSE FOLKS WERE LONG BEFORE THE ZONING,
CORRECT?
07:10:29PM >> ZONING CONFORMANCE HAPPENED IN 1987 WHEN THE ZONING
DISTRICTS WERE OVERLAID ON WHATEVER PROPERTY AND USE.
THE MARTI COLON CEMETERY PREDATES.
07:10:41PM >> I WANT TO CLARIFY WITH THE RABBI.
NO MAUSOLEUM.
IF THERE IS CONCERN OF HAVING A STRUCTURE, THAT IS OFF THE
TABLE AND WE PUT THAT AS A NOTE ON THE SITE PLAN.
07:10:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYTHING ELSE?
ALL RIGHT.
REBUTTAL?
GO AHEAD, SIR.
07:10:56PM >> NO, GO AHEAD.
07:10:58PM >> IT HAS ALREADY BEEN CLARIFIED.
BUT I WANT TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD, AND THIS WAS MENTIONED
OVER THE PAST CONVERSATION OF ELEVATIONS AND THINGS ON THE
SITE PLAN.
SINCE THERE ARE NO BUILDINGS PROPOSED, ELEVATIONS ARE NOT
REQUIRED.
ADDITIONALLY, SINCE THIS IS A CEMETERY USE AND BUILDINGS ARE
PROPOSED, NOT ANYTHING ON THE SITE PLAN TO SHOW A BUILDING.
AND THEN LASTLY, IT IS VERY COMMON TO HAVE NOTES ON THE SITE
PLAN THAT ARE ADDED BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
ALMOST EVERY PLAN WE BRING YOU DOES HAVE A REVISION SHEET
THAT ADDS DIFFERENT THINGS ON THE SITE PLAN BETWEEN FIRST
AND SECOND READING.
STAFF WILL HAVE A SITE PLAN BEFORE SECOND READING AND MAKE
SURE THAT THEY ARE COLLECTED.
07:11:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WOULD YOU LIKE GET INTO REBUTTAL?
07:11:40PM >> YES, PLEASE.
07:11:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
STATE YOUR NAME.
07:11:43PM >> MARK BENTLEY.
THREE OPPONENTS AND SOME -- APPARENTLY THEY ARE RESIDENTS IN
THE AREA.
BUT THESE OPPONENTS, MISS POYNOR LIVES EIGHT MILES AND MISS
BENNETT ABOUT FOUR MILES AWAY AND MISS MARTEL IS FOUR MILE
AND WOULDN'T BE AFFECTED BY THE USE OF THE PROPERTY IN
CONNECTION WITH THE CEMETERY.
SO CONCERNING THE ACCESS WAIVER, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, IT IS
JUST A FORMALITY AS OUR CLIENT IS GUARANTEED ACCESS TO THE
PUBLIC STREET AND JONATHAN SCOTT, YOUR TRANSPORTATION EXPERT
CONFIRMED THAT.
IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY -- AND THE
CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY TO ELIMINATE USES, THE CLIENT
CONTRIBUTED TO THE PD WHICH TRIGGERED THE NEED FOR WAIVERS.
CEMETERY USE IS THE LOWEST TRAFFIC IMPACT ON THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THE IRONY IS, TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEIGHBORS AND PROVIDE
THEM CERTAINLY IT IS A CEMETERY AND NOTHING ELSE, THAT
TRIGGERED THE NEED FOR THE WAIVERS TO DO THE PD.
IF WE WERE TO SIMPLY COME IN AND DO THE BALANCE OF THE
PROPERTY, REZONE IT TO CG WHICH THERE WAS SOME STAFF SUPPORT
ON THAT WHEN WE FIRST INITIATED CONTACT WITH STAFF, WE
WOULDN'T HAVE TO REQUEST ANY WAIVERS.
WE KIND OF SHOT OURSELVES IN THE FOOT.
WE WERE TRYING TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY AND NECESSITATED
THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THESE WAIVERS WITH THE LOT SIZE, MR.
MIRANDA, THE SETBACKS, ETC.
NOW CONCERNING THE WAIVER TO A PUBLIC STREET, HERE, AGAIN,
ANY DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPERTY IS GOING TO GET DIRECT
ACCESS TO A PUBLIC STREET.
YOU HEARD OUR TRANSPORTATION PLANNER INDICATE THAT IF THE
PROPERTY WAS DEVELOPED PER THE PLANNING COMMISSION REPORT AT
40,500 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL AND OR OFFICE THAT WILL
GENERATE AVERAGE DAILY TRIPS ACCORDING TO THE I.T., THAT THE
CITY TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT USES OF 1800 TRIPS A DAY.
1800 TRIPS A DAY VERSUS SIX TRIPS A DAY FOR THE CEMETERY.
OKAY.
SEEING -- YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO.
ON ONE HAND THIS VERY INNOCUOUS USE, AND LOW TRAFFIC
GENERATOR, OKAY.
AND -- AND WE GOT TO HAVE ACCESS TO A PUBLIC ROAD.
FOR ALL THE REASONS WE HAVE BEEN KICKING AROUND TONIGHT, WE
CAN'T GO THROUGH TO THE NORTH.
AND OBVIOUSLY FROM A SAFETY CONCERN, TO FORCE SOMEONE TO GO
OVER AN EIGHT-FOOT PATH TO GET TO COLUMBUS THROUGH A
CEMETERY THAT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1895, YOU KNOW, IS -- I
THINK THERE IS A LIABILITY ISSUE THERE TOO.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, SINCE WE ARE ENTITLED TO ACCESS, TONIGHT,
IF THE CITY SAYS WE WILL DENY YOU BASED ON -- CONCERN TO
ACCESS TO ST. JOHN'S OR MATANZAS, UNDER THE FIFTH AMENDMENT
OF THE CONSTITUTION AND ARTICLE 6 OF THE FLORIDA
CONSTITUTION, THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED -- IF YOU DENY ACCESS
TO THIS PROPERTY, THAT IS CONSIDERED PER SE COMPENSABLE
TAKING AND THE CITY WILL BE LIABLE FOR BUYING OUR
CLIENT'S PROPERTY.
WE ARE ENTITLED TO ACCESS TO A PUBLIC STREET.
DO YOU IMAGINE IF REZONINGS THIS TO PD, OFFICE OR RETAIL,
WOULD THERE BE ANY DISCUSSION OF THAT DEVELOPMENT GOING
THROUGH MARTI COLON CEMETERY TO COLUMBUS?
NOT AT ALL.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, YOU KNOW.
IT IS NOT A ROAD.
SO, RUSSELL.
WHAT POINTS DO YOU WANT TO MAKE?
07:15:16PM >> YEAH, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS VERY QUICKLY IF I MAY.
RUSSELL LAUTENBERG, ONCE AGAIN.
DISCUSSING THE ENTRANCE ON MATANZAS.
IT IS ALREADY THERE AND NOT RELOCATING IT.
WE ARE PUTTING IT GENERALLY WHERE IT IS TODAY.
AS FAR AS PARKING WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE
MARTI COLON CEMETERY.
PEOPLE ENTERED IN THIS NEW CEMETERY WILL BE PARKING WITHIN
THE CEMETERY.
THE 20-FOOT ACCESS ROAD.
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, TALKING OF THE ACCESS TO COLUMBUS
THROUGH MARDI COLON.
THAT -- THAT DRIVE IS ABOUT EIGHT FEET WIDE.
AND AS JONATHAN SAID, IT NEEDS TO BE 20 FOOT FOR -- FOR CITY
STANDARDS AND I NOTED THOSE STANDARDS ON NATIONAL FIRE
PROTECTION ASSOCIATION WHICH IS ADOPTED BY YOUR EMERGENCY
SERVICES.
AND THE PURPOSE IS SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE SOMEONE PARKED OR
BLOCKING ONE SIDE AND CAN STILL HAVE AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE GO
DOWN THE OTHER SIDE.
SO IT IS AN EMERGENCY ACCESS ISSUE.
AND AS SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN BEFORE YOU ON OTHER REZONINGS IN
THE CITY WHERE ACCESS HAS BEEN THROUGH ALLEYWAYS, IF THE
ALLEYWAY IS LESS THAN 20 FEET, IT IS TECHNICALLY
INCONSISTENT WITH THE CITY CODE.
AND THAT IS NOTED AS PART OF THAT REZONING AND WE OFTENTIMES
HAVE TO OVERCOME THAT.
TO SUGGEST THAT USING A EIGHT-FOOT NONALLEY PATH ON --
THROUGH MARDI COLON AS PRIMARY ACCESS PROVIDES IN THE FACE
OF WHAT THE CITY HAS.
07:16:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
07:16:52PM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
APPRECIATE IT.
07:16:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM, MISS DOCK.
07:17:02PM >>SAM THOMAS:
SAM THOMAS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
IF YOU APPROVE IT, THERE IS A REVISED REVISION SHEET AND YOU
WOULD NOTICE THAT REMOVE PVC AND ONLY READ WROUGHT IRON
FENCING IS PERMITTED ON THE PROPERTY SIX FEET EXCEPT ON THE
SOUTH.
AND NOTE TOO, NO MAUSOLEUMS ON THE SITE.
WROUGHT IRON-TYPE FENCE, EXCUSE ME.
07:17:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WELL, I GOT TO SAY.
I AM REALLY FRUSTRATED AND LET ME TELL YOU WHY.
WHEN I WAS A KID, IT WAS OVERGROWN AND THE CITY DIDN'T CARE
ABOUT THE CEMETERY.
LATER ON.
WHO OWNS THE CEMETERY.
WHO OWNS WHAT PART OF THE CEMETERY.
THEN THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO BUILD HOUSES ON THE CEMETERY.
NOW THE CEMETERY WANTS TO BE A CEMETERY.
I KNOW IT IS NOT ABOUT ANYONE AGAINST THE CEMETERY, IT IS
ABOUT THE ACCESS INTO THE STREET.
BUT A CEMETERY, HOW ACTIVE CAN IT BE?
THAT IS THE QUESTION.
AND THEY BROUGHT THE NUMBERS OF -- YOU KNOW, DAILY TRIPS ON
THAT PROPERTY.
I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW.
I UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CONCERNS.
YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS THINK IF I LIVE THERE, WHAT IF I LIVE
THERE?
HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF YOU LIVE THERE KIND OF THING.
YOU KNOW, COUNCILMEMBERS DID ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS
REGARDING THE FENCE.
REGARDING SIDEWALKS.
REGARDING THE RETENTION POND.
REGARDING -- SO MANY THINGS.
AND I UNDERSTAND WHY -- NOT CONTINUED ACCESS FROM COLUMBUS
AND JUST CONTINUE ON THAT PATH AND BUILD UPON IT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT TOO.
SO I JUST -- I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT.
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
07:18:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YEAH, I -- ECHOING A LITTLE BIT WHAT WAS
SAID AND I AM EMPATHETIC WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND MOST OF YOU
KNOW THAT IN MOST OF MY DECISIONS I AM EMPATHETIC WITH THE
NEIGHBORS.
BUT ON THIS ISSUE, I WOULD BE WITH YOU IF THAT PATH OR
WHATEVER THAT CRUMBLING ASPHALT THROUGH MARDI COLON IS A
ROAD, BUT IT IS NOT.
IF A CITY MAINTAINED ROAD UP TO ROAD STANDARDS, I WOULD BE
RIGHT THERE WITH YOU AND WOULD INSIST THAT THAT ACCESS BE
THROUGH THAT ROAD.
BECAUSE THAT IS NOT A ROAD.
NOT MAINTAINED TO MODERN ROAD STANDARDS, I DON'T THINK WE
CAN HOLD THE OWNERS OF THIS PARCEL TO USE THAT.
AGAIN BECAUSE IT IS NOT A CITY ROAD.
IT IS NOT MAINTAINED AS A CITY ROAD AND DOESN'T MEET MODERN
ROAD SAFETY STANDARDS.
I THINK WE HAVE TO GRANT ACCESS TO THE ROAD THAT THESE FOLKS
HAVE ACCESS TO BECAUSE OF THAT.
07:19:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOTION CLOSE.
07:19:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SECOND.
07:19:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
WAIT, ALL IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE HEARING.
AYE.
IS THAT OKAY?
EVERYBODY GOOD?
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, DID YOU LEAVE OFF.
07:19:57PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SO I WILL MAKE THE MOTION.
THIS IS -- I ECHO A LOT OF WHAT IS SAID ON THIS.
THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT ONE.
THERE ARE WAIVERS THAT ARE REQUESTED HERE, BUT THE USE WITH
THIS LOCAL STREET APPEARS TO BE VERY, VERY LIMITED.
THIS IS ONE BY VIRTUE OF MY MAKING THE MOTION, I WILL BE
VOTING FOR IT, BUT THIS IS FIRST READING.
AND I -- AND ON SECOND READING, I DON'T THINK I EVER FLIPPED
A VOTE FROM FIRST TO SECOND READING, BUT LET'S SEE WHAT IT
IS.
AGAIN, THIS IS ONE WHERE THERE IS A LOT OF GRAY.
AND WE CAN'T LET THE INTENDED USE, WHICH IS NOT IN DISPUTE
WITH EVERYBODY COME INTO ANY KIND OF RELEVANCY FOR US IN
MAKING THIS DECISION.
YEAH, IT'S -- AGAIN, IT IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUE THERE
IS.
LET ME FIND MY -- MAY I, PLEASE.
07:20:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ITEM NUMBER 4.
07:20:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SEE THE STATS.
07:20:59PM >>LUIS VIERA:
A LOT OF PAPERS HERE.
I MOVE AN ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
CONSIDERATION ORDINANCE OF THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 3203 WEST
ST. JOHN STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED SECTION 1 ZONING DISTRICT
CLASSIFICATION RS-50 RESIDENTIAL FAMILY AND CG COMMERCIAL
GENERAL TO PD CEMETERY PROVIDED AN EFFECTIVE DATE AS NOTED.
07:21:23PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AS AMENDED?
07:21:26PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AS AMENDED.
07:21:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY AS FAR AS THE
BURDEN OF PROOF.
07:21:31PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THE APPLICANT HAS MET THEIR BURDEN OF PROOF.
HAS MET ITS BURDEN OF PROOF COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE
THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND CITY CODE,
AND I FINDS THAT THE REQUEST OF WAIVERS DO NOT ADVERSELY
IMPACT THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE.
07:21:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
07:22:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SECOND.
07:22:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
ANYBODY ELSE YOU WISH TO ADD?
IF NOT, A ROLL CALL VOTE.
07:22:10PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WILL SAY, AGAIN, BECAUSE I DIDN'T COMMENT ON
THE FIRST ROUND.
I HATE TO GIVE AWAY WHAT I AM THINKING BUT YOU COME IN
THINKING ONE THING AND AFTER HEARING THE EVIDENCE, YOU HEAR
SOMETHING ELSE.
THERE IS A LOT OF GRAY IN THIS ONE.
YEAH, IF IT WAS A MARGIN, IT WOULD BE 52-48.
07:22:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN -- CARLSON, SORRY.
07:22:32PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE EVIDENCE
PRESENTED IN THE ROOM.
NOT ANYTHING THAT WE KNOW FROM OUR OWN EXPERIENCE.
THE -- THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARGUMENTS WERE VERY COMPELLING.
AND I THINK COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
THE APPLICANT, THOUGH, THE -- THE ATTORNEY FOR THE APPLICANT
THEN HAD THE LAST WORD AND WAS ABLE TO REFUTE ALL THE
THINGS.
UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE COMMUNITY, YOU DON'T GET CHANCE TO
REBUT, SO WE HAVE TO GO WITH WHAT WE HEAR.
WE ASKED THE CITY ATTORNEY IF -- IF THERE WAS ANYTHING
CONTRADICTORY TO THAT.
WE ASKED THE CITY STAFF IF THERE WAS ANYTHING CONTRADICTORY
TO THAT, AND THERE WASN'T.
BASED ON THE EVIDENCE WE SEE TONIGHT AND THERE IS A SECOND
HEARING, BUT BASED ON THE EVIDENCE WE SEE TONIGHT, WE HAVE
TO GO WITH WHAT THE CONCLUSIONS ARE.
AND SO, I AM GOING TO VOTE FOR IT TOO.
07:23:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE.
07:23:34PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
07:23:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
07:23:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
07:23:40PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
07:23:42PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
07:23:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
07:23:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
07:23:47PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA, MANISCALCO VOTING NO.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON MARCH 7, 2024 AT
9:30 A.M. LOCATED AT OLD CITY HALL, 315 E. KENNEDY
BOULEVARD, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
07:24:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO TAKE A RECESS?
OR ARE YOU ALL GOOD?
OKAY, LET'S DO ITEM NUMBER 5 -- ITEM 5, YES, SIR.
07:24:20PM >> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5, SAM THOMAS, DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION.
REZ 23-118.
A REQUEST TO REZONE 3110 NORTH TAMPA STREET FROM RESIDENTIAL
SINGLE-FAMILY 50 TO RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED.
I WILL TURN IT OVER TO EMILY WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
07:24:46PM >>EMILY PHELAN:
EMILY PHELAN, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CENTRAL TAMPA
PLANNING DISTRICT, THE TAMPA HEIGHTS URBAN VILLAGE AND THE
TAMPA HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS WITHIN THE COASTAL PLANNING AREA,
SPECIFICALLY EVACUATION ZONE E, THE SURROUNDING AREA IS
PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL IN CHARACTER WITH SINGLE-FAMILY
DETACHED USES SURROUNDING THIS SITE, AND ONE BLOCK TO THE
EAST ALONG NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE IS WHERE SOME -- SOME
COMMERCIAL USES ARE FOUND.
THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
THE SITE IS HERE, DESIGNATED WITH THE RESIDENTIAL-20
DESIGNATION WHICH IS TO THE NORTH, EAST AND SOUTH OF THE
SUBJECT SITE AND TO THE WEST IS RESIDENTIAL-10 AND FURTHER
ALONG NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE IS COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL 35.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN -- THE RESIDENTIAL-20 DESIGNATION
SUPPORTS A RANGE OF HOUSING TYPES, INCLUDING SINGLE-FAMILY
ATTACHED AND MULTIFAMILY USES.
THE PROPOSED TWO DWELLING UNITS ARE CONSISTENT UNDER THE
RESIDENTIAL-20 FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ENCOURAGES INFILL DEVELOPMENT ON
UNDERUTILIZED SITE TO ENCOURAGE A ADEQUATE HOUSING SUPPLY IS
AVAILABLE TO MEET TAMPA'S HOUSING DEMANDS.
TWO BLOCKS FROM A TRANSIT STOP AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
ENCOURAGES DEVELOPMENT THROUGH OPTIONS.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF FINDS IT WILL NOT ALTER THE
SURROUNDING AREA AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SPEAKS TO THE
DESIGN OF ATTACHED SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS.
THE ENTRANCES OF THE TWO SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS ARE ORIENTED
TOWARD NORTH TAMPA AND WEST PLYMOUTH STREET WITH A CLEAR
PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION TO THE SIDEWALK MEETING THE INTENT OF
LAND USE POLICY 9.2.6.
CONSISTENT REQUEST POLICIES IN THE PLAN WITH A
PEDESTRIAN-FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT THAT DOORS THAT CONNECT TO
THE NEIGHBORHOOD WALK OR STREET.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ENCOURAGES NEW HOUSING ON VACANT AND
UNDERUTILIZED LAND TO ENSURE AN ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF HOUSING
IS AVAILABLE TO MEET THE NEEDS.
THE REQUEST ALSO SUPPORTS INFRASTRUCTURE POLICY 1.1.17 WHICH
DIRECTS THE GREATEST SHARE OF GROWTH OF CITY'S URBAN CENTER
AND VILLAGES.
THE SITE IS WITHIN THE COASTAL PLANNING AREA AND THE
APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO WORK WITH CITY OF TAMPA AND OTHER
REGULATORY AGENCIES TO ENSURE THAT ANY RESIDENTIAL
DEVELOPMENT MITIGATES IMPACT ON SHELTER SPACE.
CONSISTENT WITH POLICY DIRECTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
AND THE PD ENCOURAGES THE PUBLIC REALM AND PROVIDES SAFE
PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS FROM THE UNITS TO THE SIDEWALKS ALONG
NORTH TAMPA STREET.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
07:27:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
NO?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, SIR, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
07:27:43PM >> I DO HAVE A REVISED REVISION SHEET.
07:27:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME WHEN YOU PRESENT.
07:27:50PM >>SAM THOMAS:
SAM THOMAS, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
OUTLINE OF THE MAP.
NORTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE, SOUTH AND WEST OF THE SUBJECT
SITE, YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED.
ABOUT TWO PARCELS SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE, HERE WITHIN
THE RS-50 ZONING DISTRICT, A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS OPERATING
WITHIN THE RS-50.
ONE BLOCK SOUTH OF ADELAIDE, A PLANNED REZONING REZ 21-65
CURRENTLY FOUR SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED UNITS UNDER
CONSTRUCTION.
TO THE EAST RS-50 ZONING, BUT A VARY CAN'T COMMERCIAL
BUILDING.
SITE PLAN PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TWO SINGLE-FAMILY -- OR
SINGLE-FAMILY SEMI DETACHED UNITS.
YOU HAVE UNIT ONE AND UNIT TWO HERE.
AS EMILY MENTIONED PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS TO THE SIDEWALK ON
NORTH TAMPA STREET.
THEY HAVE A FRONT PORCH PROPOSED.
THE VEHICULAR ACCESS IS PROVIDED FROM THE NORTH ON PLYMOUTH
STREET.
GARAGE HERE.
ACCESS TO UNIT TWO.
AND UNIT ONE HERE, THIS A COVERED WALKWAY.
ANYONE WHO LIVES HERE WILL BE ABLE TO WALK OUT OF THEIR
GARAGE UNDER THE COVERED WALKWAY AND ACCESS THEIR UNIT.
FOUR PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED AND FOUR ARE PROVIDED.
THE GARAGES HAVE A FIVE-FOOT SETBACK FROM PRELIMINARY MOUTH
DUE TO AN OFF-SITE GRAND TREE LOCATED HERE AND A GRAND TREE
LOCATED HERE AND THE APPLICANT IS TRYING TO HAVE LITTLE MORE
SPACE TO MINIMIZE IMPACT TO THE GRAND TREES.
THE BUILDING HEIGHT IS 35 FEET OR TWO STORIES.
HERE ARE THE ELEVATIONS.
SO IN WILL BE YOUR ELEVATION ALONG TAMPA STREET.
THIS WILL BE YOUR ELEVATION ALONG PLYMOUTH.
THE REAR ELEVATION AND THEN THE SIDE ELEVATION.
YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT COVERED WALKWAY THAT I MENTIONED
HERE.
AND IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE GRAND TREES.
WE WILL GO THROUGH SOME PHOTOS FROM AROUND THE AREA NOW.
SO THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH.
THIS IS THE SUBJECT SITE RIGHT HERE.
THIS ISN'T AN ALLEY.
THIS IS A DRIVEWAY FOR THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.
THIS IS LOOKING NORTH.
FACING THE OTHER DIRECTION WHERE THE OTHER PICTURE WAS
TAKEN.
THIS IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM PLYMOUTH.
THIS IS LOOKING WEST ON PLYMOUTH.
THIS IS THE SUBJECT SITE HERE.
LITTLE BIT FARTHER DOWN, CLOSER TO TAMPA STREET, THE SUBJECT
SITE IS HERE.
THIS IS LOOKING NORTH FROM INTERSECTION OF PLYMOUTH AND
NORTH TAMPA STREET.
THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH ON TAMPA.
YOU CAN SEE THAT COMMERCIAL BUSINESS RIGHT THERE.
AND SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED TOWN HOMES IN THE DISTANCE.
THIS IS LOOKING WEST FROM TAMPA STREET DIRECTLY AT THE
SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AND THIS IS LOOKING EAST ACROSS TAMPA STREET AT THAT VACANT
COMMERCIAL BUILDING IN THE RS-50 ZONING DISTRICT.
HERE IS THE SITE PLAN AGAIN FOR YOU.
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION AND COMPLIANCE STAFF REVIEWED THE
APPLICATION AND FIND THE REQUEST TO BE CONSISTENT
CONSIDERING THE SURROUNDING PATTERN.
THE SEMI-DETACHED HAVE AN APPROPRIATE INFILL IN THE
TRANSITION FROM THE HEAVILY TRAFFICKED ARTERIAL NORTH TAMPA
STREET TO THE SINGLE-FAMILY USES LOCATED BEST OF THE SUBJECT
SITE THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
07:31:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
YES, SIR.
HAVE YOU BEEN SWORN IN?
07:31:34PM >> YES.
07:31:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COME UP.
07:31:35PM >> ALEX RIOS, 700 SOUTH HARBOUR ISLAND BOULEVARD.
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
THIS PROJECT CONSISTS REZONING 3110 TAMPA FROM RS-50 TO PD
SINGLE-FAMILY SEMI DETACHED.
PROPERTY POSES UNIQUE CONSTRAINTS.
ONE -- THE MOST NOTABLE CONSTRAINT IS THE LOT IS A LITTLE
SMALLER THAN USUAL, 48.5 FEET WIDE.
THE OTHER ARE -- TWO GRAND OAKS -- ONE GRAND OAK WITH
ANOTHER CAMPHOR ON THE ADJOINING PROPERTY.
OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH ON THIS SITE HAS MADE GREAT
EFFORTS TO PRESERVE THE GRAND TREE WITH PUTTING
A HELICAL PIER.
OUR DESIGN AIMS TO PRESERVE THAT TREE WITH AN
UNIQUE L-SHAPED TOWN HOME CONFIGURATION.
MORE TRADITIONAL TOWN HOME CONFIGURATION A SINGLE DRIVE
AISLE WITH ACCESS FROM THE BACK TWO GARAGES.
IN OUR CASE, WE TOOK THE GARAGES AND ROTATED THEM TO FACE
DIRECTLY TO PLYMOUTH.
THIS ALLOWS US TO RESPECT THE GRAND OAK, AS WELL AS
SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS ON-SITE.
TOTAL -- CURRENTLY WE ARE JUST OVER 50% IMPERVIOUS WHICH IS
ONE OF THE STANDARDS FOR STORMWATER.
FURTHERMORE, THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT IS PLACED FURTHER --
FARTHER AWAY FROM THE TREE THAN THE CURRENT STRUCTURE.
THE CURRENT EXISTING STRUCTURE IS REPRESENTED BY THAT DASHED
LINE.
IT GOES RIGHT JUST SHY OF THAT FRONT BUILDING, BUT MORE
IMPORTANTLY, THAT IS WHERE THE CORNER IS RIGHT THERE, THE
EXISTING STRUCTURE.
SO WE ARE KEEPING EVEN FURTHER AWAY FROM THE TREE.
FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, WE WANT TO KEEP -- WE WANT TO KEEP
CONSISTENT WITH THE ARCHITECTURE AND FABRIC OF THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
HERE IS A RENDERING OF THE PROPOSED TWO-STORY
CRAFTSMAN-STYLE TOWN HOMES OF WHICH FEATURE FRONT PORCHES,
SIDING, GABLED ROOFS AND A TACTILE PALETTE.
THIS -- AND WE BELIEVE THIS RUNS IN -- THIS CRAFTSMAN-STYLE
BLENDS IN WITH THE NEARBY OVERLAY.
THIS IS NOT A OVERLAY, BUT WE BELIEVE IT BLENDS WITH THE
NEARBY OVERLAY OF SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
IN CONCLUSION, WE ARE PLEASED WITH THE STAFF'S FINDING THAT
IT IS CONSISTENT WITH LAND DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE EAGERLY SEEK YOUR APPROVAL.
THANK YOU.
07:34:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ARE YOU THE ARCHITECT ON THIS?
07:34:17PM >> OWNER AND ARCHITECT.
07:34:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
VERY NICE DESIGN.
NICE JOB.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
DO WE HAVE ANY -- YES, MA'AM.
07:34:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL JUST SAY THE SAME THING.
A VERY UNIQUE SOLUTION.
AND WE KIND OF COME TO EXPECT THAT FROM YOU.
AND IT IS JUST UNIQUE.
THANK YOU FOR SAVING THE TREES.
07:34:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.
07:34:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I GUESS I HAVE TO SAY IT TOO.
ANYBODY COMING BEFORE THIS COUNCIL WITH PARCELS THAT THEY
SAY THEY HAVE TO -- THAT THEY PRESENT THESE PROJECTS THAT WE
DON'T APPROVE BECAUSE THEY ARE TRYING TO SQUEEZE TOO MUCH
AND TRYING -- THEY SAY THEY CAN'T BUILD ON A LOT.
I THINK THEY NEED TO WATCH THIS PRESENTATION.
AND LOOK AT WHAT YOU HAVE DONE WITH AN ODD-SIZED LOT.
IT IS AN APPROPRIATE USE OF A PD.
AND I THINK YOU HAVE DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB.
I MEAN, IT REALLY IS -- THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM LOOKING
FOR WHEN I AM SEEING THESE KIND OF PROJECTS.
TAMPA IS AN IMPORTANT STREET.
AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A STREETCAR RUNNING NOT TOO FAR
FROM THERE.
AND IT IS -- IT IS A GREAT LOCATION AND I APPRECIATE WHAT
YOU HAVE DONE WITH THIS.
IT IS CREATIVE.
ALONG WITH THE TREE, BUT WHAT YOU DID WITH THE GARAGES AND
BREEZEWAY TO ATTACH TO IT AND, OF COURSE, THOSE FACADES ARE
REALLY PERFECT.
07:35:28PM >> THANK YOU.
07:35:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
07:35:31PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MOVE TO CLOSE -- DO PUBLIC COMMENT.
07:35:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISHES TO SPEAK ON
ITEM NUMBER 5?
NOBODY REGISTERED.
07:35:39PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WOW.
07:35:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD?
07:35:43PM >> IF NO FURTHER COMMENT.
07:35:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILWOMAN
HENDERSON.
SECONDED FROM CLENDENIN.
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE.
LEFT OFF WITH COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
07:35:53PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
CHAIR, I MOVE ORDINANCE REZ 23-18.
I MOVE THE ORDINANCE AS THE APPLICANT HAS MET THE BURDEN OF
PROOF FOR COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT THE
DEVELOPMENT IS CONSISTENT ON THE SITE PLAN IS CONSISTENT
WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND CITY CODE AND I FIND THAT
THE REQUEST WAIVERS DO NOT ADVERSELY IMPACT THE PUBLIC
HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE AND THE FINDINGS AND
REASONS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION REPORT IN COMPLIANCE WITH
THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE PROPOSED REZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH 1.3.4 HOUSING
POLICY WHICH ENCOURAGES NEW HOUSING ON VACANT AND
UNDERUTILIZED LAND TO ENSURE THE ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF HOUSE
WILLING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 27-136, THE DEVELOPMENT AS
SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN ENCOURAGES DEVELOPMENT LOCATION,
CHARACTER, COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND
INCLUDING THE MOTION THAT INCLUDES THE REVISIONS --
07:36:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN YOU READ THE ORDINANCE?
07:36:58PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THE ORDINANCE BEING READ --
07:37:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NUMBER FIVE.
07:37:02PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I HAVE TO READ THE ORDINANCE WITH THE
DETAILS IN IT?
NEOPHYTE MISTAKE.
ORDINANCE ZONING -- LET ME GET IT RIGHT.
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING.
THE ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY --
YOU KNOW I FELL LIKE I WAS DOING SOMETHING WRONG WHEN I
STARTED WITH THAT PART BUT OKAY, NO PROBLEM.
ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 3110
NORTH TAMPA STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
CLASSIFICATION RS-50 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY TO PD
SINGLE-FAMILY SEMI-DETACHED PROVIDING A SPECIFIC DATE.
07:37:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WITH REVISED REVISION.
07:37:49PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WITH REVISED SHEET.
07:37:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ROLL CALL.
07:37:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
07:37:54PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
OBVIOUS.
07:37:58PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
07:38:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
07:38:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
07:38:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
07:38:04PM >> MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON MARCH 7th, 2024
AT 9:30 A.M. LOCATED AT OLD CITY HALL, 315 E. KENNEDY
BOULEVARD TAMPA FLORIDA, 33602.
07:38:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE WILL BE IN RECESS FOR A FEW MINUTES.
ALL RIGHT, RECESS FOR -- FOR FIVE MINUTES AND THEN BACK WITH
6.
[GAVEL SOUNDING]
07:56:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
WELCOME BACK TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
LET'S GET ROLL CALL.
07:56:39PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
07:56:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
07:56:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
07:56:44PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PRESENT.
07:56:47PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
07:56:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
07:56:50PM >>CLERK:
QUESTION A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
07:56:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NUMBER 6.
STATE YOUR NAME.
07:56:54PM >>SAM THOMAS:
SAM THOMAS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
NUMBER 6, REZ-24-04 TO REZONE 4116 AND 4118 WEST ESTRELLA
TO RS-60 TO PD RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED.
TURN IT OVER TO EMILY WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
07:57:18PM >>EMILY PHELAN:
EMILY PHELAN, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS WITHIN THE SOUTH TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT
IN THE PALMA CEIA WEST NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE COASTAL PLANNING AREA
EVACUATION ZONE B.
IT HAS RESIDENTIAL USES TO THE NORTH AND THE EAST AND THE
WEST OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
AND TO THE, LIKE, SOUTH AND EAST OF THE SUBJECT SITE ALONG
HENDERSON BOULEVARD, EXCUSE ME COMMERCIAL USES AND AN ALLEY
RIGHT HERE THAT SEPARATES THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL
USES.
THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE SUBJECT SITE WHICH IS
LOCATED HERE UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL-10 DESIGNATION, WHICH IS
TO THE NORTH AND TO THE WEST OF THE SUBJECT SITE AND ALONG
HENDERSON IS THE COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35 DESIGNATION AND THE
BLUE IS SCHOOL AND PLACE OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY.
THE RESIDENTIAL-10 DESIGNATION IS SUITABLE FOR RESIDENTIAL
SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED AND LIMITED TOWN HOMES.
LAND USE POLICY 9.3.5 ENCOURAGES LIMITED TOWN HOMES AND
SINGLE-FAMILY SEMI-DETACHED USES TO BE DEVELOPED ON A
PERIPHERY OF NEIGHBORHOODS.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS ADJACENT TO COMMERCIAL USES TO THE EAST
AND THE ALLEY AS I PREVIOUSLY SHOWED SEPARATES THE SITE FROM
THE COMMERCIAL USES.
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF FINDS THAT THE SITE MEETS THE
POLICY DIRECTION OF LIMITED TOWN HOMES IN THE RESIDENTIAL-10
DESIGNATION.
DUE TO THE SITE BEING ON THE PERIPHERY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD,
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF FINDS THE REQUEST COMPATIBLE WITH
THE SURROUNDING AREA AND WILL EXPAND OPPORTUNITIES FOR
HOUSING CHOICES IN THE PALMA CEIA WEST NEIGHBORHOOD.
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF REVIEWED THE DENSITY OF THE
RESIDENTIAL-10 FUTURE LAND USE PARCELS.
THIS SECTION OF WEST ESTRELLA BETWEEN SOUTH LOIS AND SOUTH
CLARK AVENUE, EXCLUDING THE SUBJECT SITE, HAS AN EXISTING
DENSITY OF 1.0 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
GIVEN THE EXISTING BLOCK DENSITY BEING ON THE PERIPHERY OF
THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF FINDS THE REQUEST BUILT WITHIN
THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ENCOURAGES ATTACHED SINGLE-FAMILY
USES TO BE DESIGNED TO INCLUDE ORIENTATION OF FRONT DOORS TO
A NEIGHBORHOOD SIDEWALK AND STREET.
THE ENTRANCES OF THE PROPOSED UNIT ARE ORIENTED TOWARD WEST
ESTRELLA STREET AND SIDEWALK CONNECTION PROVIDED.
THE ALLEY WILL HAVE ACCESS TO ONE UNIT.
THE REQUEST SUPPORTS MANY POLICIES WITH HOUSING THE CITY'S
POPULATION.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ENCOURAGES NEW HOUSING ON VACANT AND
UNDERUTILIZED LAND TO ENSURE THAT HOUSING IS POSSIBLE FOR
PRESENT AND FUTURE POPULATIONS.
THE SITE WITHIN THE COASTAL PLANNING AREA AND THE APPLICANT
HAS TO WORK WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA AND OTHER LEGISLATORY
AGENCY TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT MITT
GATES IMPACT ON SHELTER SPACE.
THE REQUEST IS COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA AND
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
08:00:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. SHELBY -- WEIGHT, LEAVE THAT MAP UP THERE.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE IT SAYS Z 24-04, UNDER THAT WHITE
CLOUD, THERE ARE THREE LOTS -- OR THREE PARCEL THERE IS THAT
ARE THREE OF THE SAME IN THE ROW.
THE THREE SKINNY ONES FACING HENDERSON.
THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE IS MY DAD'S STORE.
08:00:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
08:00:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SHOULD I RECUSE MYSELF.
HE RENTS.
HE DIDN'T TALK TO ME ABOUT IT.
GROWN HE GOT A NOTICE BECAUSE HE IS -- IT IS RIGHT THERE.
08:01:00PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OKAY.
WELL, IT WOULDN'T --
08:01:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD AFFECT ANYTHING.
08:01:06PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
LET ME ASK YOU THIS.
TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, DOES VERY A FINANCIAL STAKE IN THIS
APPLICATION ITSELF?
TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE?
08:01:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
JUST HAS STOREFRONT FOR TEN-PLUS YEARS
BUT HE RENTS.
HE DOESN'T OWN THE PROPERTY.
08:01:21PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DO YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE WHETHER THIS
WOULD GIVE TO HIS PRIVATE GAIN OR LOSS WHETHER IT IS
APPROVED OR DENIED?
08:01:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I DON'T THINK IT WILL AFFECT HIM AT ALL
REGARDLESS.
08:01:32PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU SAY HE DOESN'T OWN THE PROPERTY.
HE RENTS IT?
08:01:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HE RENTS IT SINCE 2012.
08:01:40PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU HAD NO EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS.
08:01:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LOIS MEETS HENDERSON, AND I DIDN'T
REALIZE LOOKING AT THIS MAP.
08:01:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
LOOKING AT THIS, CAN YOU PUT THAT FACT
ASIDE AND JUDGE THIS APPLICATION SOLELY ON THE EVIDENCE THAT
THE HEARING?
08:01:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
08:01:59PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ARE YOU ABLE TO BE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL IN
THIS CASE OR DO YOU FEEL YOU WANT TO AVOID AN APPEARANCE OF
-- OF --
08:02:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I CAN BE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL.
MY DAD DOESN'T -- HE IS -- HE DOESN'T CARE ONE WAY OR THE
OTHER WHICH WAY THIS GOES.
I JUST DON'T WANT ANY APPEARANCE OF IT.
08:02:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WITH THAT BEING SAID, I DO NOT SEE A
CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
AND AS LONG AS YOU STATE THAT YOU CAN BE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL,
I BELIEVE UNDER FLORIDA LAW, MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, YOU
ARE REQUIRED TO PARTICIPATE.
08:02:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I CAN BE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL.
IT -- IT IS OF NO BEARING.
08:02:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU DISCLOSED THAT
08:02:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
08:02:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT IS NOW IN THE RECORD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
08:02:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
CONTINUE.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILMEMBERS?
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
08:02:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS --
08:02:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
08:02:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CONFLICTED.
08:02:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR, GO AHEAD.
08:02:52PM >>SAM THOMAS:
SAM THOMAS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
PER USUAL, WE WILL START WITH THE AERIAL MAP OF THE SUBJECT
SITE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE SUBJECT SITE HERE OUTLINED IN RED ON EAST
-- WEST ESTRELLA STREET.
NORTH OF THE SUBJECT, WEST OF THE SUBJECT, AND SOUTHEAST OF
THE SUBJECT SITE.
YOU HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY 60 ZONING DISTRICT.
SOUTH AND EAST OF THE SUBJECT SITE, COMMERCIAL GENERAL USES
ALONG HENDERSON BOULEVARD.
AND IN THE STRIP CENTER RIGHT HERE, A MIX OF A PLANT
NURSERY, A -- NOT A BOXING -- BUT A GYM.
SOME RESTAURANTS.
I THINK A SPORTS BAR.
QUITE A MISS OF INTENSE COMMERCIAL GENERAL USES ALONG
HENDERSON BOULEVARD AND THEN A LITTLE BIT AROUND ESTRELLA
RIGHT HERE.
AS YOU MOVE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU GET SINGLE-FAMILY
DETACHED.
AS YOU GO FARTHER, YOU HAVE MABRY ELEMENTARY.
COLEMAN MIDDLE SCHOOL HERE.
AND ANOTHER SCHOOL DOWN TO THE SOUTH, ST. MARY'S DAY SCHOOL.
WE WILL GO TO THE SITE PLAN PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT NEXT.
SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TWO SEMI DETACHED STRUCTURES.
ONE HERE AND ONE HERE.
ONE UNIT -- UNIT ONE IS HERE.
UNIT TWO IS HERE, THREE AND FOUR.
AS EMILY MENTIONED, PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS TO THE SIDEWALKS
ALONG ESTRELLA AVENUE.
THERE ARE EIGHT PARKING SPACES REQUIRED.
AND EIGHT ARE BEING PROVIDED.
UNIT SOMEONE REAR LOADED FROM THE ALLEY, AND UNITS TWO,
THREE AND FOUR ARE LOADED FROM ESTRELLA STREET.
USING THE ALLEY ACCESS, THE APPLICANT LOADED FROM ESTRELLA
NOT TO IMPACT THE TREES IN THE REAR OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
LET'S SEE HERE.
THE PROPOSED HEIGHT IS 35 FEET OR TWO STORIES.
ADDITION ALLEGEDLY, THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING THE REQUIRED
LANDSCAPE BUFFERS.
UNITS ONE AND TWO ARE APPROXIMATELY 3523 SQUARE FEET EACH.
AND UNITS TWO AND FOUR ARE APPROXIMATELY -- OR UNITS THREE
AND FOUR ARE APPROXIMATELY 3713 SQUARE FEET APIECE.
I WILL SHOW YOU THE ELEVATIONS NOW PROVIDED BY THE
APPLICANT.
SO THIS IS THE ELEVATIONS FOR UNIT ONE AND TWO.
THIS WILL BE THE FRONT, THAT IS FACING ESTRELLA.
HERE ARE THE ELEVATIONS FOR UNITS THREE AND FOUR THE FRONT
ELEVATION FACING ESTRELLA.
WE WILL NOW GO TO SOME PICTURES ON THE SUBJECT SITE.
SO THIS IS JUST PAST HENDERSON AND ESTRELLA INTERSECTION.
THIS IS THE ALLEY THAT HAS BEEN MENTIONED.
THIS IS THE SUBJECT SITE RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS LOOKING SOUTHWEST.
THIS IS LOOKING SOUTHWEST DOWN THE ALLEY.
YOU CAN SEE THE BACK SIDE OF THIS COMMERCIAL GENERAL USES
BACKING UP TO THE ALLEY AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HERE.
THIS IS LOOKING NORTHEAST.
SO THIS IS ESTRELLA.
HENDERSON BOULEVARD RIGHT HERE.
HERE ARE SOME OF THOSE COMMERCIAL USES ALONG ESTRELLA, THE
SEABORN DAY SCHOOL.
THIS IS LOOKING EAST ON ESTRELLA.
COMMERCIAL USES IN THE ALLEY.
HERE IS THE SUBJECT SITE HERE.
THIS IS LOOKING WEST ON ESTRELLA.
THIS IS THE SUBJECT SITE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THIS HOUSE
HERE.
THIS IS LOOKING SOUTHWEST.
SO YOU CAN KINDS OF GET A FULL VIEW OF THE SUBJECT SITE
GOING FROM THE SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED HOME ALL THE WAY DOWN
TO WHERE THOSE PUSHES ARE.
THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH DIRECTLY AT THE SUBJECT SITE AND THE
SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE THAT WILL BE DEMOLISHED.
THIS IS LOOKING EAST DOWN ESTRELLA SO YOU CAN SEE THE FULL
LENGTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
THIS IS LOOKING NORTH FROM THE SUBJECT SITE.
THIS WILL BE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
THAT IS MY LAST PICTURE.
SO I WILL PUT THE SITE PLAN BACK UP NOW.
DEVELOPMENT CURED COORDINATION AND COMPLIANCE STAFF REVIEWED
THE APPLICATION AND FINDS IT CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IT PROVIDES AN APPROPRIATE TRANSITION FROM THE COMMERCIAL
GENERAL USES EAST OF THE SUBJECT SITE TO ITS RESIDENTIAL
SEMI-DETACHED USES THAT ARE LOCATED WEST, NORTH AND
SOUTHWEST OF THE SUBJECT SITE PROVIDING NEEDED INFILL
HOUSING IN SOUTH TAMPA.
IF COUNCIL APPROVES THE APPLICATION, MODIFICATIONS ON THE
SITE PLAN BE ON THE REVERSION SHEET SHOULD BE COMPLETED
BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
08:07:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
NO, SIR.
THANK YOU.
STATE YOUR NAME -- WAIT.
GO AHEAD, SIR.
08:07:41PM >> GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN, COUNCILMEMBERS.
BRUCE CASTRIC, CERTIFIED PLANNER WITH DESIGN DEVELOPMENTS.
AMBER FIELD DRIVE.
I WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITIES FIRST TO
INTRODUCE ISHMAR AKEBAR.
THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND LIVES ON THE PROPERTY WITH HIS
WIFE AND WILL BE STAYING ON THE PROPERTY AFTER THE
DEVELOPMENT DOES OCCUR.
THE -- ALSO AT THIS POINT, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK STAFF FOR
WORKING WITH US ON COMING UP WITH A PLAN THAT DOES NOT
REQUIRE ANY WAIVERS, THAT IS AS POINTED OUT BY THE PLANNING
COMMISSION AS RES-10.
OPPORTUNITY OF FIVE UNITS BUT ONLY REQUESTED FOR FOUR.
THE -- AS BOTH REPORTS, YOU KNOW, HAVE -- FROM DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION, PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE FINDS IN THE
RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE HAVE REVIEWED THEM.
WE BELIEVE WE SUPPORT THEM.
WE RECOMMEND THEM.
WE WILL MAKE THE CONDITIONS AND REVISIONS AS EXAMINED
REQUESTED FOR THE SECOND HEARING TO THE PLAN.
AND WE ARE PREPARED TO MAKE A MORE DETAILED PRESENTATION IF
IT IS -- SO THE CHOOSING OF THE COUNCIL.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS WHO HAVE NEAR SUPPORT OF THE
PROJECT.
AND WHO ALSO HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
THEY LIVE WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA SO THEY ARE
IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT AND ABUTTING TO WHERE THIS DEVELOPMENT
IS GOING TO BE OCCURRING.
OTHERWISE, MR. AKEBAH.
WE ARE BOTH HERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AND WE REQUEST
YOUR SUPPORT.
THANK YOU.
08:09:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM
NUMBER 6?
COME ON UP AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
ANYBODY THAT IS WISHING TO SPEAK.
HAVE YOU BEEN SWORN?
IF YOU HAVE NOT -- I SAW YOU COME IN LATE.
IF ANYBODY IS HERE TO SPEAK ON 6 AND 7 OR ANYTHING AFTER
THAT AND HAVE NOT BEEN SWORN IN, PLEASE STAND UP, RAISE YOUR
RIGHT HAND, AND WE WILL SWEAR YOU IN.
ALL RIGHT.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF FOLKS.
[SWEARING IN]
08:09:50PM >> I DO.
08:09:50PM >>CLERK:
THANK YOU, YOU MAY BE SEATED.
08:09:53PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN.
MISS WATKINS, YOU HANDED ME A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM WITH ONLY
YOUR NAME ON IT.
08:10:01PM >> YES.
08:10:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU GET TO SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES.
08:10:04PM >> OKAY.
08:10:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I BELIEVE -- SO WE DON'T NEED THE SPEAKER
WAIVER FORM.
AND WITH REGARD TO MR. AKEBAWI.
DID I PRONOUNCE YOUR NAME CORRECTLY.
08:10:19PM >> PERFECT.
08:10:20PM >> I SEE A LIST OF NINE NAMES.
ARE THEY GOING TO SPEAK INDIVIDUALLY OR SOMEBODY SPEAK ON
THEIR BEHALF .
08:10:28PM >> I AM THE PROPERTY OWNER, AND I HAVE NO EXPERIENCE, BUT
THEY ARE MY NEIGHBORS.
THEY ARE ACROSS THE STREET AND BEHIND MY HOUSES.
AND NEXT TO MY HOUSES.
THEY CAME -- THEY KNOW I DISCUSSED THE PROJECT WITH THEM.
AND THEY ARE -- I HAVE THEIR SUPPORT.
THAT IS WHY THEY ARE HERE.
UP TO YOU IF YOU WANT THEM TO TALK.
08:10:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
HE THE RIGHT TO TALK.
THEY CAN EACH SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES.
NOBODY WILL SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF.
THEY WILL SPEAK INDIVIDUALLY, IS THAT CORRECT?
08:10:55PM >> WE DON'T WANT TOO TAKE YOUR TIME.
08:10:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THIEF RIGHT TO SPEAK INDIVIDUALLY IF THEY
CHOOSE.
RATHER THAN USING A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM AND WAIVING THEIR
TIME.
THEY CAN COME UP AND TAKE UP TO THREE MINUTES.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO SPEAK THREE MINUTES.
BUT THEY CAN SPEAK UP TO THREE MINUTES.
08:11:10PM >> MY NAME IS SMAR WATKINS.
I LIVE IN THIS HOUSE RIGHT HERE WITH THE X.
MY STREET IS CAMERON COURT THAT TEES INTO THE SUBJECT
PROPERTY.
I AM OPPOSING THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE IT IS A SINGLE-FAMILY
NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I JUST -- DON'T WANT RENTAL UNITS.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONCE THEY ARE BUILT, THEY CAN BE RENTED
EVERY YEAR INSTEAD OF TWO HOUSES, NOW THERE ARE GOING TO BE
FOUR DWELLINGS.
SO INSTEAD OF FOUR CARS, NOW EIGHT CARS.
THERE IS ONLY ONE BLOCK BETWEEN SEABORN DAY SCHOOL WHICH IS
RIGHT HERE AND DALE MABRY ELEMENTARY, WHICH THE KIDS WALK
DOWN THE STREET EVERY DAY TO GO TO THE DAY CARE AFTER
SCHOOL.
AND THERE IS TERRIBLE FLOODING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
I HAVE SOME PICTURES OF THAT.
WHICH IS ANOTHER CONCERN OF MEAN.
OKAY.
THIS PICTURE IS TAKEN ON ESTRELLA RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE
SUBJECT FACING HENDERSON BOULEVARD.
THAT IS WHAT FLOODING HAPPENS EVERY TIME THERE IS A HARD
RAIN.
THE STREET FLOODS COMPLETELY THERE.
AND THEN THIS IS IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, AND CAMERON COURT
GOES HERE AND ESTRELLA IS RIGHT THERE.
THE FLOODING CONDITIONS ALL THE WAY DOWN THE STREET.
LIKE A FOOD DEEP EVERY TIME THERE IS DEEP RAIN.
EVEN GETTING INTO THE STREET AND GETTING INTO THE SUBJECT
PROPERTY OR ON TO OUR STREET IS COMPLETE FLOODING.
AND WITH THE -- WITH THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HE AS IT IS NOW
OR, YOU KNOW, EVEN WITH THE HOUSE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY ON
THIS LOT, WHICH HAS NOW BEEN TORN DOWN AND A TREE HAS BEEN
TAKEN OUT.
HERE IS ONE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES.
ALL THIS GRASS AND ALL THIS LAND WHERE THE WATER HAS BEEN
TRAINING DOWN INTO WILL NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY ONCE THIS
PROJECT HAS BEEN BUILT.
AND IT IS ALL CONCRETE WITH DRIVEWAY AND SIDEWALK, AND, YOU
KNOW, THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTIES.
SO THESE ARE THE REASONS WHY -- OH -- I HAVE ONE MORE
PICTURE.
THIS IS ANOTHER FLOODING INCIDENT.
THIS WAS ACTUALLY AN ACCIDENT THAT HAPPENS QUITE OFTEN AT
THIS INTERSECTION.
I BELIEVE THIS CAR HIT A -- THIS FLOODING IS NOT DUE TO
RAIN.
THIS WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THEY HIT THE -- THE FIRE HYDRANT.
BUT THE FLOODING IS LIKE THIS ANYWAY.
I JUST REALIZED THAT IS NOT REALLY BECAUSE OF THE FLOODING
BUT IN THAT SAME AREA.
A SIX-WAY INTERSECTION WHICH CAUSES A LOT OF ACCIDENTS.
I KNOW ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS HERE TONIGHT HAS BEEN IN TWO
ACCIDENTS AT THAT SAME INTERSECTION.
AND SO THIS IS WHY I OPPOSE IT.
BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC FLOW, TO AND FROM THE DAY CARE AND THE
SCHOOL, GETTING IN AND OUT OF THE THING.
EACH PROPERTY -- EACH -- EACH DWELLING HAS AN OPPORTUNITY
HAVE TWO CARS.
BUT MOST PEOPLE IF THEY HAVE A TEENAGER OR SOMEBODY ELSE
LIVING THERE, THREE PEOPLE LIVE THERE, THERE WILL BE THREE
CARS.
WHERE IS SOMEBODY -- A GUEST GOING TO BE PARKING IN THEIR --
YOU KNOW, IF THEIR DRIVEWAY IS TAKING UP THE TWO SPACES THAT
THEY HAVE, FLOSS PLACE FOR ANYBODY TO PARK.
WHEN -- WHEN SEABORN OR -- DALE MABRY HAS ANY KIND OF EVENT
WHERE ALL THE PARENTS COME TO THE SCHOOL PARTIES AND WHAT
NOT.
08:14:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
08:14:27PM >> THE ENTIRE STREET BLOCKS OFF WITH TRAFFIC.
AND ENTIRE STREET GETS BLOCKED WITH TRAFFIC EVERY TIME.
08:14:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
08:14:34PM >> I DON'T THINK THERE IS ENOUGH TRAFFIC FLOW AND PARKING
AND I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE FLOODED EVEN MORE SO.
08:14:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
BEFORE WE CONTINUE ON WITH THE IN-PERSON FOLKS, WE HAVE TWO
REGISTERED PUBLIC SPEAKERS.
YOU KNOW, VIRTUALLY.
IF WE CAN GET THEM ON.
ARE THEY BOTH ONLINE?
ALL RIGHT, IF CIARA AND PATRICK WOULD TURN THEIR CAMERAS ON
AND UNMUTE THEMSELVES, SWEAR THEM IN.
ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE CIARA AND PATRICK, WILL YOU TURN ON
YOUR CAMERA.
PATRICK AND CIARA, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HANDS.
WE WILL SWEAR NEW.
[SWEARING IN]
08:15:38PM >> YES.
08:15:38PM >> YES.
08:15:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CIARA.
YOU GO FIRST.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
08:15:44PM >> HI, CIARA WANAKE, AND I LIVE ON CAMERON COURT, ONE HOUSE
AWAY FROM MISS WATKINS.
I AM A LITTLE NERVOUS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF MY WORDING WILL BE
ORGANIZED, BUT I HAVE A COUPLE OF POINTS I WOULD LIKE TO
MAKE.
ONE PIECE IS, THAT I DO BELIEVE, THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT SIN
TENDED TO BE IN THE INTEREST OF THE DEVELOPER, NOT
NECESSARILY THE COMMUNITY.
THE DEVELOPMENT USES EVERY POTENTIAL SQUARE INCH OF SPACE
FOR FINANCIAL BENEFIT FOR OVERALL ENHANCEMENT OF THE
NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN ACHIEVED WITH TWO
SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
UP UNTIL TODAY, THERE WERE NO PLANS FOR -- ON-SITE AND ALL
FOUR OF THOSE UNITS THAT INTRODUCE AS TRANSIENT NEIGHBORHOOD
WHICH WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE DUPLEXES IN PALMA CEIA WEST.
I BOUGHT A HOUSE THREE BLOCKS FROM WHERE I GREW UP ON
WATROUS AND NEVER THE CHARACTERIZATION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE ARE CONSISTENTLY FIGHTING TO HAVE A COMMUNITY SENSE ABOUT
US.
AND WE KNOW OUR NEIGHBORS.
WE WALK THE BLOCK.
WE ALL HAVE POTLUCKS AT THE END OF THE STREET.
AND I THINK BY INCREASING THE POPULATION DENSITY AND THE
INTRODUCTION OF RENTAL UNITS ON THE STREET DRAMATICALLY
CHANGES THE NEIGHBORHOOD ATMOSPHERE AND OVERALL CONSISTENCY
OF THE CURRENT COMMUNITY WE HAVE ESTABLISHED THERE.
I ALSO AM SIGNIFICANTLY WORRIED ABOUT THE INCREASE IN
TRAFFIC.
THAT ALLEYWAY IS NOT INTENDED TO BE A THRU-WAY STREET AND
NOW INTRODUCES FOUR DIRECTIONS OF WHICH PEOPLE COULD BE
POTENTIALLY COMING FROM WHICH TO ME GIVES A NUMBER ACCIDENTS
THAT ALREADY OCCURED 30 FEET AWAY FROM THAT ALLEYWAY IS
POTENTIALLY CATASTROPHIC.
THERE IS CONSTANTLY TRAFFIC PUSHED INTO THE COMMERCIAL
AREAS.
BY ADDING THOSE ADDITIONAL UNITS, WE ARE WORKING TO CREATE
INCREASED TRAFFIC FLOW THAT CONTINUE TO PUSH ADDITIONAL
TRAFFIC, CARS PARK CAN DOWN ON OUR STREETS, AND WILL CREATE
EVEN MORE OF A TRAFFIC JAM.
I CAN BARELY GET OUT OF MY STREET NOW TO GET TO THE
ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, MIDDLE SCHOOL IN THE MORNINGS BECAUSE OF
THE NUMBER OF CARS LINED UP AGAINST THE STREET ON ESTRELLA.
AND NOW INTRODUCE MORE SPACE, MORE UNITS, MORE TRAFFIC.
SO I AM OPPOSED TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK IT WOULD BE A BEAUTIFUL UNIT.
BUT OPPOSED TO THE IDEA OF HAVING RENTAL UNITS, MANY
STRUCTURED OF A SINGLE-FAMILY DESIGNATION AND MORE
IMPORTANTLY, I THINK THIS SETS A PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE
DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS NOT THE CHARACTER OF THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND BY AGREEING TO REZONE INTO THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, IT
CONTRIBUTES TO THE POSSIBILITY OF A COMPLETE TRANSFORMATION
OF THE SMALL COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE ESTABLISHED.
I WOULD GIVE BACK MY TIME.
THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
08:18:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
PATRICK, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
08:18:51PM >> HI, PATRICK COZY.
HERE TO SPEAK TO SUPPORT.
NO DWELLING UNIT MEETS 10,000 SQUARE FEET OF LAND
NEAR DOWNTOWN TAMPA.
GRATUITOUS LOT SIZES ARE A MAY JUROR DRIVER OF OUR
SKYROCKETING HOUSING COST.
IF PERHAPS THE DRIVER FOR SKYROCKETING HOUSING COSTS.
SMALLER LOTS SIZES ARE A WAY TO REVERSE THIS TRENDS.
IN MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.
I OWN MY HOME.
IT IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO A DUPLEX.
AND THE RESIDENTS OF THE DUPLEX ARE SOME OF THE BEST
NEIGHBORS ON OUR STREET.
SO I SUPPORT THE REZONING.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
08:19:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
GO BACK TO IN-PERSON.
YES, SIR.
YOU ARE UP.
08:19:43PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILMEMBER.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL McNABB.
A LONG-TERM RESIDENT OF SOUTH TAMPA AND PRESIDENT OF PALMA
CEIA WEST NEIGHBORHOODS ASSOCIATION, AND I AM SPEAKING
FOR THE BOARD AND MYSELF IN THIS MATTER OF OPPOSING THIS.
THE REASON IS SIMPLE.
THESE PROPERTIES WERE ZONED RS-60 DECADES AGO AND RS-60 DOES
NOT ALLOW DUPLEXES TO BE BUILT.
THE OWNER BOUGHT TWO LOTS WITH HOUSES ON THEM KNOWING THE
REZONING RESTRICTIONS AND APPARENTLY DOESN'T LIKE THE ZONING
ON THERE AND WANTS TO HAVE TWO-STORY DUPLEXES.
USING THE PD IS A WAY TO GET AROUND ZONING RULES.
I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH THE CITY STAFF REPORT.
DUPLEXES ARE INCONSISTENT WITH THE PREVAILING HOME SITES
PALMA CEIA WEST.
I HAVE NOT MET WITH THE HOMEOWNER OR DEVELOPER.
NO HARDSHIP OR ODD CONFIGURATION.
THIS IS A MOVE TO MAXIMIZE THE PROFITS FROM THESE LOTS.
THERE ARE PERHAPS 1200 PROPERTIES IN PALMA CEIA WEST ON BOTH
SIDES OF HENDERSON BOULEVARD AND ZERO DUPLEXES, ZERO TOWN
HOMES, ZERO CONDOS.
ALL THE PROPERTIES ARE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, EVERY SINGLE
ONE.
I DON'T SEE HOW THESE DUPLEXES ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE
CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE BEHIND
COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ON HENDERSON.
THERE ARE PLENTY OF HOUSES BEHIND LIGHT COMMERCIAL ON BOTH
SIDES OF HENDERSON.
AND THEY HAVE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME.
THESE ARE NOT LOW-INCOME HOUSING EITHER.
AND IN MY OPINION, THIS IS A COMMERCIAL ENCROACHMENT INTO AN
ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD.
PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE RIGHTS, AND THEY EXPECT THAT YOU WILL
PLAY BY THE RULES AND PRESERVE THEIR PROPERTY VALUES AND
ZONING.
YOU ALL SAID YOU SUPPORT NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THIS IS THE TIME
TO DENY THIS PD.
THE OWNER HAS THE OPTION TO BUILD TWO SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES
WHICH MOST LIKELY WOULD SELL EVEN BEFORE THEY ARE FINISHED.
LASTLY, YOU MUST MAKE YOUR DECISIONS BASED ON COMPETENT AND
SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE, NOT SYMPATHY OR PROFIT.
THERE ARE NO COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL FACTS THAT I SEE TO
SUPPORT OVERRIDING THE EXISTING RS-60 ZONING THAT EVERYBODY
ELSE HAS TO ABIDE BY.
PLEASE VOTE NO ON THE REZONING.
THANK YOU.
08:22:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER.
08:22:15PM >> I HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM ALSO.
AND SOME HANDOUTS FOR YOU.
08:22:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CONLEY HAS ONE NAME, JOANNE McNABB.
ONE ADDITIONAL MINUTE.
08:22:39PM >> I AM TOM CONLEY, AND THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE
VIRGINIA PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
I AM SPEAKING WITH THE CONSENT OF MY BOARD AND AS AN
INDIVIDUAL.
I AM ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL TONIGHT TO DENY THE
PETITION TO REZONE REZ 24-04.
ONE THING THE ZONING STAFF REPORT IS NOT CONSISTENT TO 27-11
CREATION OF LOTS, SEMICOLON, LOT DIMENSION BUSINESS LOW
MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS.
SPECIFICALLY MANDATES OF AND ANALYSIS OF PARCEL
CONFIGURATION.
YOU CAN READ THE REST THERE.
THERE ARE NO DUPLEXES OR MULTI FAMILY HOMES WITHIN 1320
FEET.
CONFIGURATION DOESN'T JUST MEAN THE DIMENSIONS OF THE LOT.
IT MEANS THE TYPE OF DWELLINGS THAT ARE POSITIONED ON THE
LOTS TOO.
SO THAT ANALYSIS WAS NOT ACCOMPLISHED.
LU POLICY 9.3.8.
THE INTENT OF THE CITY, NEW DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS WILL BE
MINIMALLY DISRUPTIVE TO THE ADJACENT AREAS.
TO ACHIEVE THIS, THE CITY WILL ASSESS THE POSITIVE AND
NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON THE PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE
SURROUNDING AREA AND REQUIRE MITIGATION.
RS-06 ONCE AGAIN DOES NOT PERMIT DUPLEXES.
LU POLICY 9.5.4 USING SINGLE-FAMILY PROPERTIES TO MAINTAIN
THE CURRENT DENSITY AND CHARACTER OF THE EXISTING
SINGLE-FAMILY AREAS, RS-60.
PROTECT AREAS OF THE LOWEST INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT.
IF YOU NOTICE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN ITS INTRODUCTION
STATES THAT SOUTH TAMPA IS LIMITED AND -- THE DENSITY IS NOT
TO BE INCREASED.
RESPONDING COMMUNITY PLANS OR POLICIES RESULTING IN
OPPORTUNITIES FOR REDEVELOPMENT AND INFILL MAINTAINS THE
SINGLE-FAMILY CHARACTER OF THE AREA BUT ALLOWS FOR RANGE OF
HOUSING TYPES AS ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
THESE DO NOT MAINTAIN THE RS-60 ZONING CHARACTERISTICS.
ONCE AGAIN RS-60 DOES NOT ALLOW DUPLEXES.
POLICY 1.1.2.
CONTINUE TO PROTECT AND ENHANCE THE SINGLE-FAMILY
NEIGHBORHOOD FOR SENSITIVE TRANSITION OF NEIGHBORHOODS IN
ADJOINING AREAS, REQUIRING NEW DEVELOPMENTS BOTH PRIVATE AND
PUBLIC TO RESPECT AND RESPOND TO THE EXISTING PHYSICAL
CHARACTER STICKS.
BUILDINGS, STREETSCAPE, OPEN SPACES AND CITY THAT CONFORM TO
THE OVERALL CHARACTER AND LIVABILITIES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ONCE AGAIN, IF THEY HAD DONE THE ANALYSIS FOR 27-11, IT DOES
NOT MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER.
THERE ARE NO MULTIFAMILY HOUSES WITHIN 1320 FEET OF THE
SUBJECT PARCEL THAT IS AT -- THAT IS REQUESTING THE
REZONING.
IT IS OBVIOUS AND BACKED UP BY THIS COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL
EVIDENCE THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF 27-11 YOU SHOULD
VOTE TO DENY TO REZONE TO THE PD.
CITY COUNCIL IN ITS WISDOM BEFORE YOU DECIDED WE SHOULD HAVE
SEPARATE ZONES, 50, 60, 70, 75, 100, ETC., WHY IS IT NOT IF
YOU WANT THESE TO CHANGE VIA PD, WHY DOESN'T THE COUNCIL
SUBMIT AN ORDINANCE TO SAY, HEY, WE DON'T WANT RS-60 IN HERE
ANYMORE.
WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO.
YOU HAVEN'T.
THE CITY AND THE COLONEL IN ITS INFINITE WISDOM DECIDED THAT
THE CITY SHOULD BE BROKEN UP INTO DISTINCT INDIVIDUALS
ZONING DISTRICTS.
AND THOSE DISTRICTS ARE THE ONES THAT EXIST.
THE RS-60.
BEATING A DEAD HORSE.
RS-60 DOESN'T ALLOW THE DUPLEXES WITHIN 1320 FEET AND A
QUARTER MILE IN ACCORDANCE WITH 27-11, NOT A SINGLE
MULTIFAMILY UNIT TO BE FOUND.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
08:26:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
YES, MA'AM.
PLEASE COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME.
08:26:35PM >> ALEXA HUFFERMAN.
ESTRELLA STREET.
I LIVED IN MY CURRENT HOUSE SINCE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND STARTING
MY SECOND YEAR OF COLLEGE.
I WATCHED THE HOUSE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME BY THE
WAY GO FROM KINDS OF LIKE A SLUM, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO
RENTED IT NEVER TOOK CARE OF THE PROPERTY.
WHEN HE MOVED IN, HE STARTED TAKING CARE OF IT.
I SAW THE CHANGE IN THE HOUSES IN FRONT OF ME AND BECAME
MORE AESTHETICALLY APPEALING IN A SENSE.
I BELIEVE THAT THE TOWN HOUSES WON'T BE A PROBLEM.
IN THE ASPECT MUCH TRAFFIC, LET ME BEGIN LOTS, FROM WHAT I
AM HEARD BEING ADDED TO IT.
WON'T BE A PROBLEM.
IF WE WANT TO TALK OF TRAFFIC ISSUES, TALK OF THE PEOPLE WHO
TAKE OVER OUR LAWNS AND ROADS THAT BELONG TO COLEMAN AND
SEABORN.
THAT IS THE REAL TRAFFIC ISSUE, NOT THE PEOPLE LIVING IN OUR
NEIGHBORHOOD.
BECAUSE THAT -- THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE BLOCKING OUR
ROAD, NOT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE LIVING RESIDENTS
THERE.
THE ASPECT OF FLOODING.
FROM THE PHOTOS WE EVEN SAW, IT WASN'T DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF
THE PLACE WHERE THE TOWNHOUSES ARE LOCATED IN OUR CUL-DE-SAC
NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE FLOODING IS NOT JUST ABOUT TOWN HOUSES BUT HOUSES BEING
BUILT AND LAND TAKEN AWAY.
IF WE WANT TO COVER THAT ISSUE, WE NEED TO MAKE IT A SINGLE
PROBLEM BUT ONE SINGLE TOWN HOUSE BEING ADDED OR TWO, MY
APOLOGIES.
THE ASPECT OF WHAT I HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE
THERE IS A GROUP CHAT.
AND IT IS PRETTY INTENSE IN THERE.
THE ASPECTS MUCH A -- OF PROPERTY VALUE BEING DECREASED.
I THINK THAT IS FALSE.
BECAUSE FROM SOURCES THAT I FOUND KINDS OF ONLINE AND FROM,
LIKE, REALTORS AND STUFF, A LOT OF THEM SAY PROPERTY VALUE
DECREASES WITH DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ISSUE, OUTDATED
KITCHENS, BATHROOMS AND NOISY CONDITIONS.
ADDING TOWNHOUSES, UPPING YOUR APPLIANCES AND HAVING NEWER
LAND WILL UP THE VALUE IF ANYTHING.
BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE TALKING HOW HE KIND OF WANTS IT FOR
BENEFIT.
AND I THINK THAT IS FALSE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD JUST A SINGLE HOME IN GENERAL.
IT IS REALLY INTENSE IN THE HOUSE AREA AND EVERYTHING IS
EXPENSIVE.
I AM PLANNING ON MAYBE BUYING OFF THE HOME MY MOM CURRENTLY
LIVES IN OR MY YOUNGER BROTHER.
I MEAN, IT IS RIGHT ACROSS THE HOUSE.
AND I DON'T SEE AN AESTHETIC ISSUE OR PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE
LIVING THERE.
I THINK ALL THE ISSUES THAT ARE KIND OF BEING POINTED ROUT
KIND OF PETTY IN A SENSE.
OR THE ASPECT OF MAYBE -- MAYBE THAT -- OH, THIS IS THE
FIRST TOWNHOUSE.
SO?
WE CAN ALWAYS ADD MORE.
I THINK THAT TOWN HOUSES -- I MEAN, IT COULD BE AN ISSUE,
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, SMALLER HOUSING WITH MORE PEOPLE IS
KINDS OF LESSER MONEY IN A SENSE.
AND I FEEL LIKE IT HELPS ALSO BRING A COMMUNITY TOGETHER.
SO I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THESE TOWN HOUSES.
THANK YOU.
08:29:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
08:29:35PM >> DANA HEFFERMAN.
I DON'T THINK I COULD FOLLOW HER UP.
THAT IS A MY KID.
4111 WEST ESTRELLA AND THE PROPERTIES ARE DIRECTLY ACROSS.
I AM NOT GOING TO REITERATE EVERYTHING SHE SAID.
SOME OF THE THINGS I WANT TO POINT OUT.
YOU KNOW, BASICALLY, IS THE TRAFFIC.
THE ONE PIECE SHE DID SAY.
TRAFFIC TO ME IS MORE OF A CONCERN THAN SEEING TWO DUPLEXES.
FOR ME PERSONALLY AS I AGE, I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO
EITHER INVEST IN ONE OF THOSE -- I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THEY
WERE GOING TO BE THERE, AND NOW I DO.
WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS.
I PERSONALLY MAINTAIN MY OWN HOUSE.
MY NEIGHBORS SEE ME MOWING MY OWN LAWN.
FIXING STUFF UP.
CLIMBING MY ROOF.
AS A SINGLE MOTHER.
I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT MY ENTIRE LIFE SOMETHING LIKE THAT
WILL ENHANCE THAT I DON'T WANT TO MOVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD
AND MY CHILDREN.
DO I WANT TO LIVE IN THE CONDOS, MY VOTER USED TO LIVE ON
BAYSHORE AND KNIGHT.
I CAN'T AFFORD THAT.
UP WANT TO BE CLOSER.
ELIMINATING FEES SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE AFFORD TO STAY IN
THAT NEIGHBORHOODS.
SOMETHING ALSO THAT THE NEIGHBORS COULD FOCUS THEIR TIME ON
IS THE TRAFFIC.
HENDERSON, ESTRELLA, I PERSONALLY FOUND A SEVERED FINGER FOR
SOMEONE WHO GOT IN AN ACCIDENT.
I PERSONALLY CHASED A FELON AFTER THEY RAN TO THE SIDE OF
SEABORN.
I PERSONALLY HELPED OTHERS.
MY KIDS HAVE FLIPPED BEING T-BONED AT THE INTERSECTION.
THERE ARE BIGGER CONCERNS.
I PERSONALLY WHEN I LOOK OUTSIDE OF MY HOME I SEE A STORAGE
UNITS.
I WOULD RATHER SEE A NICE BUILDING.
IF WE ARE TALKING OF SQUARE FOOTAGE, 3,000, 4,000 SQUARE
FOOTAGE NO DIFFERENT THAN BUILDING A SINGLE DWELLING AND
THEY CAN PUTS EIGHT PEOPLE IN THERE.
NOBODY IS GOING TO COUNT HOW MANY PEOPLE.
WHAT IF SOMEBODY HAS FOUR OR FIVE KIDS, YOU WILL HAVE FOUR
OR FIVE VEHICLES.
I PERSONALLY HAVE THREE VEHICLES.
WHEN I MOVED THERE, ITS ONE.
BUT NOW I HAVE TWO KIDS THAT ARE DRIVING AND THEY HAVE
FRIENDS THAT COMMENT OVER.
AT ANY GIVEN POINT, WE CAN ASSUME WHAT VEHICLE COUNT THERE
IS GOING TO BE.
WE CAN'T ASSUME IF THERE WILL BE CHILDREN.
IT COULD BE A SINGLE WOMAN, SINGLE MAN, COUPLE, NO KIDS,
COULD BE THREE KIDS, WE DON'T KNOW.
I AM FOR IT.
I THINK IT WILL HELP.
I THINK IT WILL BE LITTLE MORE DIVERSITY TO THE AREA.
I THINK IT WILL CHANGE, YOU KNOW, WHAT A LOT OF THE THINGS
IS -- BUT IN A GOOD WAY.
BECAUSE IF -- YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN AT FIRST ONCE I THOUGHT
ABOUT IT WAS RENTERS, BUT I CAN RENT MINE HOUSE OUT.
IT DOESN'T STOP ANYBODY.
SO, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
08:32:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
08:32:21PM >> HI, CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
YOU HAVE TO MAKE THIS DECISION BASED ON COMPETENT AND
SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE COMP PLAN.
THE COMP PLAN OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN SAYS TO PRESERVE
ITS CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS SINGLE-FAMILY.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIKE IT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO -- MAYBE YOU LOVE IT, MAYBE YOU DON'T.
IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT SINGLE-FAMILY
NEIGHBORHOODS.
THAT IS THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
THERE IS -- THERE ARE NO DUPLEXES.
AND THE COMP PLAN SAYS THAT MUST BE PRESERVED.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE -- THE GARAGES ON THESE
ARE NOT 24 FEET WIDE.
AND YOU HAVE HEARD TESTIMONY BEFORE THAT IF THE GARAGE IS
NOT 24 FEET WIDE, AND YOU PARK TWO VEHICLES IN IT, YOU WILL
HAVE TO CLIMB OUT THE WINDOWS.
IF THEY ARE NOT GOING TO PARK TWO VEHICLES IN THAT GARAGE.
I AM EXTREMELY FAMILIAR WITH THIS BLOCK.
MY DAUGHTER WENT TO DARYL MABRY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
SHE WENT TO SEABORN DAY SCHOOL.
THIS IS THE SIDEWALK THAT GOES FROM DALE MABRY ELEMENTARY TO
SEABORN DAY SCHOOL.
EVERY SINGLE DAY --
08:33:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PUT IT HIGHER.
08:33:33PM >> I'M SORRY.
EVERY SINGLE DAY THE CHILDREN WALK FROM SEA -- FROM DOWN
THIS SIDEWALK.
HAVE YOU EVER READ THE BOOK "MADELINE?"
AND YOU SEE THE LINE OF THE GIRLS WALKING, THAT IS WHAT IT
LOOKS LIKE, A LINE OF ELEMENTARY KIDS WALKING.
THE TRAFFIC IS VERY HAVE VERY HEAVY THROUGH THERE.
I WANT YOU TO NOTICE ZERO -- ABSOLUTELY ZERO ON-STREET
PARKING.
YOU CAN NOT PARK ONE SINGLE CAR ON-STREET ON BE THIS BLOCK.
AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PARK TWO CARS IN THE
GARAGE.
SO WHAT ARE THEY GOING TOO DO SOMEBODY IN AID 25 -- I HAVE A
2500-SQUARE-FOOT HOUSE.
ONE POINT I HAD FIVE LICENSED DRIVERS IN MY HOUSE AND WE HAD
FIVE CARS.
WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PARK?
AND THIS IS ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF A SINGLE-FAMILY
NEIGHBORHOOD.
MOST OF THEM, LIKE MINE -- THIS ONE IS PARTICULARLY
CONGESTED.
SO NO ONE CAN EVEN -- EVEN THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES CANNOT
PARK ON THE STREET, BUT MOST OF THEM WHEN THEY CAN'T FIT IN
THEIR GARAGES OR THEY HAVE MORE DRIVERS, THEY CAN PARK OFTEN
THE STREET.
THIS IS GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE.
I MEAN THAT IS JUST THE BOTTOM LINE HERE.
THERE IS NO ROOM FOR THEM.
SO I AM ASKING TO YOU PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF THE
NEIGHBORHOODS.
UPHOLD THE COMP PLAN THAT MANDATES THAT.
LOVE IT.
HATE IT.
WHATEVER.
COMPREHENSIVE AND SUBSTANTIAL, THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE REQUIRED
TO DO.
PLEASE VOTE NO.
THANK YOU.
08:34:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
08:35:03PM >> GOOD, MY NAME IS JESSICA LOTION.
I LIVE WITH MY HUSBAND AND TWO SMALL CHILDREN AT 4120 WEST
ESTRELLA.
THAT IS THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY EAST OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
I AM WHOLEHEARTEDLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE ADDITION OF TWO EXTRA DWELLINGS,
BE THEM MULTIUNIT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK, IN FACT, IT WILL IMPROVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK IT WILL IMPROVE OUR VALUES.
I THINK THERE HAS BEEN TESTIMONY ALREADY REGARDING THE
CONDITION OF THE HOMES BEFORE THE CURRENT OWNER TOOK OVER
AND HE HAS CONTINUED TO IMPROVE THEM.
ESTRELLA IS A BUSY STREET.
OUR SECTION OF ESTRELLA IS LOCATED IN BETWEEN HENDERSON,
WHICH THERE ARE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
A BAR IS ESSENTIALLY RIGHT BEHIND MY HOUSE AND THE TWO
SCHOOLS.
TWO EXTRA HOUSES ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THAT.
IT WILL ALWAYS BE BUSY.
CAN THERE BE THINGS TO IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC?
YES.
SHOULD THEY BE ADDRESSED?
BUT I DON'T THINK THIS SHOULD PROHIBIT THE APPROVAL OF THIS
SITE PLAN.
WHILE THERE MAY NOT BE MULTIPLE UNIT DWELLINGS WITHIN
PALMA CEIA WEST.
I DON'T KNOW FOR CERTAINLY BUT I WILL TAKE THEM AT THEIR
WORD.
HALF A MILE DWELLINGS, APARTMENT COMPLEXES, NUMEROUS
TOWNHOUSE DWELLINGS.
I THINK THE PROJECT WILL ADD TO OUR COMMUNITY.
I DON'T THINK THE IMPACT -- WILL THERE BE INCREASED TRAFFIC?
YES.
WILL I THINK IT IS SUCH A NATURE THAT IT WILL HARM MY
STREET?
NO.
AND I THINK FOR THESE REASONS, I WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU
APPROVE THIS SITE PLAN TO BETTER OUR STREET, TO BETTER OUR
COMMUNITY IN PALMA CEIA WEST.
08:36:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
08:37:06PM >> KELLY ZARA, 8345 BAYSIDE.
CLOSE PROXIMITY TO SUBJECT SITE.
I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT.
FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC LIMITS.
AS YOU MENTIONED -- MISS JESSICA MENTIONED BEFORE, ALREADY
HEAVY TRAFFIC FLOW ON HENDERSON.
I DON'T THINK THAT THREE OR FOUR ADDITIONAL VEHICLES FOR
RESIDENCE THAT WILL BE LIVING THERE WILL HINDER THIS
SITUATION.
IN PARTICULAR, BECAUSE ONE OF THE DEVELOPMENT -- ONE OF THE
UNITS WILL ALSO BE ACCESSING THE ALLEY INSTEAD OF THE MAIN
ROAD.
SO, AS A MATTER OF FACT, YOU ARE NOT REALLY TAKING MUCH ROOM
AT ALL WITH THE ALLEY ACCESS TOO.
I ALSO THINK THAT WITHIN LESS THAN A FEW BLOCKS AWAY FROM
THIS HOME SITE, WE KEEP MENTIONING THERE ARE NOT
MULTIFAMILY.
THERE ARE, IN FACT, TOWN HOMES.
AND ON NEPTUNE, THERE IS A PUBLIX LESS THAN A QUARTER A MILE
AWAY, AND THERE, THERE ARE MULTIPLE APARTMENT COMPLEXES.
THERE ARE TOWN HOMES, OKAY -- ALSO.
AND I THINK THAT THIS PROJECT WILL ACTUALLY BEAUTIFY THE
NEIGHBORHOOD FROM WHAT IT IS NOW.
AND IT WILL ALSO ADD VALUE.
AND WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT HOMES THAT ARE GOING TO LOWER
THE VALUE OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE ARE SPEAKING ABOUT SUBSTANTIAL SIZE HOMES.
3,000-PLUS-SQUARE-FOOT HOMES.
THERE ARE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN FACT MUCH
SMALLER THAN THE PROPOSED.
SO I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS.
I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT ONE OF THE VERY FIRST OPPONENTS
OF THIS PROJECT THAT WAS HERE AND SHOWED A COMPELLING PHOTO
OF A VEHICLE IN WATER.
WELL, I GO ON THAT STREET EVERY DAY, BECAUSE MY CHILD GOES
TO MABRY ELEMENTARY.
MY FRIENDS LIVE ON THAT STREET AS WELL.
THAT MAIN BREAK THAT YOU SAW WITH THE CAR -- IT WAS A MAIN
WATER BREAK.
IT WAS NOT.
IN FACT, FROM FLOODING.
SO I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT.
THANK YOU.
08:39:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
08:39:40PM >> GOOD EVENING, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
WE HAVE GOT EIGHT -- OR FOUR -- 3,000-PLUS-SQUARE-FOOT UNITS
AND REPLACING 1200-SQUARE-FOOT HOUSES.
BE MR. MIRANDA ASKED NOT LONG AGO WHERE IS THE FLOODING.
IT IS THERE.
IT MAY NOT JUST BE THERE, BUT THERE AT THE CROSSOVER NEXT TO
DALE MABRY AS WELL.
I USED TO DRIVE THIS PILGRIMAGE TO ROLAND PARK FROM MY HOUSE
IN SOUTH TAMPA THE MOST MISERABLE PIECE OF EARTH THAW CAN
IMAGINE.
LOTS OF WALKING KIDS.
BUT THIS CONCERNS ME.
YOU HAVE 3,000-SQUARE-FOOT UNITS GOING TO HAVE EIGHT PARKING
SPACES IN THE GARAGES.
BECAUSE THAT IS FOUR TWO-CAR GARAGES IS EIGHT PARKING
SPACES.
WHERE IS EVERYBODY GOING TO PARK?
AND THE LADY BACK THERE THAT SPOKE UP FOR THIS, SHE SAID NOW
I HAVE THREE CARS.
YOU KNOW, I ONLY HAD ONE WHEN I MOVED HERE.
AND MR. CONLEY GAVE YOU A LOT OF COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL
EVIDENCE ABOUT WHY THIS DOES NOT MEET THE CHARACTER OF THE
COMMUNITY.
SORRY.
08:40:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
08:40:59PM >> SOUTH TAMPA IS FULL!
08:41:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
STATE YOUR NAME.
08:41:04PM >> ANTON ASHMORE.
I LIVE TWO DOORS DOWN ACROSS FROM MABRY ELEMENTARY
SCHOOL.
I FREQUENT ISHMAR'S HOUSE WITH MY TWO BOYS.
HE HAS TWO BOYS.
I FAVOR THIS PROJECT.
I THINK IT WILL BRING VALUE TO OUR COMMUNITY.
I DON'T SEE IT AS VERY DIFFERENT THAN SOMEBODY TAKING THE
TWO PIECES OF LOT AND PUTTING 6,000-SQUARE-FOOT HOUSES WITH
I IS VERY COMMON IN SOUTH TAMPA.
SO I DON'T SEE THAT AS A -- AS A DETERRENT FOR MY SUPPORT.
BUT ANYWAYS.
THAT'S IT.
I'M HERE TO SUPPORT.
08:41:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER, AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
08:41:47PM >> SEAMAN AKUM.
I LIVE 1217 WEST STREET ABOUT A MILE FROM ISHMAR'S PLACE AND
MY SON GOING TO MABRYAS WELL.
TRAFFIC NOTICE MORNING AND AFTERNOON.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE AROUND US PLENTY OF DUPLEXES ZONING FROM 06 TO 50
ALL THE TIME.
WE SEE THAT IN SOUTH TAMPA.
WE SEE THREE-PLEXES.
A COUPLE OF THREE-PLEXES.
HAVE BEEN BEFORE THE COUNCIL BEFORE.
AND I SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
AND INSTEAD OF SIGHING EMPTY LAND OVER THERE, WE CAN HAVE
MORE FAMILIES AND WE CAN NOT, I GUESS, SPECULATE ON HOW MANY
PEOPLE WILL LIVE AND WHAT AGE THEIR CHILDREN THROB HAVE
CARS.
WE CAN NOT SPECULATE ON THAT, I GUESS.
SO THIS WILL BE, YOU KNOW, EXPENSIVE HOUSES AND PEOPLE -- IT
IS A PROBLEM IF THE STREET IS ONE WAY AND YOU CAN'T PARK ON
ANY WAY OF THE STREET.
IT WILL BE THEIR PROBLEM TO FIND A PARKING SPOT.
THEY WILL NOT BLOCK THE ROAD.
I DON'T THINK.
NOT BLOCK THE STREET IF THEY CAN NOT PARK.
THEY WILL PARK IN THEIR GARAGES, I GUESS.
THANK YOU.
08:43:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYBODY ELSE?
IF NOT, WE -- YES, SIR.
08:43:15PM >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE A CLARIFICATION FOR THE RECORD.
THERE IS MULTIFAMILY WITHIN 1,000 FEET OF THE PROPERTY.
THERE IS MULTIFAMILY HERE.
SUBJECT SITE IS RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS A CONDOMINIUM, AND MULTIFAMILY RIGHT HERE WHICH IS A
CONDOMINIUM.
SAM THOMAS, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
08:43:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
ANYBODY?
OKAY.
ALL RIGHT.
YES, SIR.
YOU HAVE REBUTTAL.
08:43:42PM >> YES, I DO.
THANK YOU, BRUCE CASTIC FOR THE RECORD, FLORIDA DESIGN
CONSULTANTS.
AS DISCUSSED, ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS THE FLOODING.
THE PROJECT WILL BE GOING THROUGH -- DISCUSSION WE HAD WITH
CITY STAFF AND, OF COURSE, WILL BE COMPLYING WITH THE CITY
OF TAMPA STORMWATER STANDARDS ACTUALLY AS WELL AS
S.W.F.W.M.D. BECAUSE OF IT BEING DONE AS A COMBINED UNIT.
IT WILL BE CONSIDERED A COMMERCIAL RECOMMENDATION PROJECT.
WE WILL BE ADDRESSING A LOT -- AGAIN, ON-SITE STORMWATER
CONCERNS.
TALKING OF THE COMPATIBILITY WITH THE AREA.
YOU WILL NOTICE ON THE SITE PLAN, THE HOUSES ARE SET BACK AT
THE SAME DISTANCE AS THE OTHER SINGLE-FAMILY IN THE AREA.
THAT IT IS CONSISTENT.
ALSO BASICALLY ROOM FOR TWO CARS IN FRONT OF THE HOUSES.
GARAGES ARE 24 FEET WIDE.
THAT'S CORRECT.
PARKING STANDARDS IN THE CITY ARE 9 X 18.
THE -- WHICH, OF COURSE, STILL ALLOWS ROOM TO OPEN YOUR CAR
DOORS AND SO FORTH ON A 9 X 18 PARKING SPACE.
THE SPACES, THE GARAGE -- IT WILL BE VERY SUFFICIENT IN
ADDRESSING THE REQUIREMENTS OR THE USE OF THE PROPERTY, AS
WELL AS BEING ABLE TO PARK IN THE FRONT.
WE -- ONE OF ITS THINGS WE THOUGHT ABOUT ON THIS WHOLE THING
WAS, AGAIN, THERE IS EXISTING TREES TO TO THE SOUTH OF US.
AROUND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE ALLEY WAS TO TRY TO REDUCE
THE NUMBER OF DRIVEWAY ALONG ESTRELLA AND UTILIZED THE ALLEY
TO THE BEST WE COULD ON THE BACK SIDE SO WE DIDN'T DISTURB
THE TREES AND REDUCE THE NUMBER OF DRIVEWAYS ON ESTRELLA AND
TRYING TO CREATE AN UNIQUE PROJECT.
ONE OF THE OTHER -- THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN THEIR REPORT
REFER TO THIS AS A PROPERTY THAT INCREASES ENHANCED HOUSING
OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN THAT AREA.
THE 450 FEET FROM THE WALKING DISTANCE TO MABRYHIGH
SCHOOL.
1200 FEET TO -- WHY AM I DRAWING A BLANK -- TO THE MIDDLE
SCHOOL.
COLEMAN.
THANK YOU.
AND -- SO, I MEAN, AGAIN, IT IS A PERFECT -- YOU KNOW IT IS
A REALLY GOOD TRANSITIONAL PIECE OF PROPERTY FROM THE
COMMERCIAL ON HENDERSON AND CMU-35.
IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE RES-10 LAND USE.
ONE LESS UNIT THAN COULD HAVE BEEN REQUESTED.
AND WE BELIEVE IT IS VERY COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING
-- WITH THE AREA.
AND WE WANT YOUR SUPPORT.
THANK YOU.
08:46:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, SIR?
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
08:46:04PM >> MY NAME IS ISHMAR.
I AM THE PROPERTY OWNER.
I LIVE ON THAT STREET FOR I THINK ALMOST THREE YEARS.
AND I HAVE A REALLY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH ALL MY
SURROUNDING PEOPLE, LIKE ALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I DISCUSSED THE PROJECT WITH THEM.
I DISCUSSED THE PROJECT, INS AND OUTS FOR THE PROJECT, AND I
100% BELIEVE THAT THIS PROJECT WILL ADD VALUE TO THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I HAVE THREE HOUSES IN FRONT OF THIS PROPERTY.
AND ALL -- THEY ARE ALL SUPPORTING -- I SHOWED THEM BEFORE
-- BEFORE WE COME IN HERE, LIKE, SHOWING THEM THE PROJECT
AND I GOT THEIR SUPPORT.
NEXT DOOR, I SHOWED IT TO THEM.
AND THEY LIKED IT.
AND THE TRAFFIC ISSUE, IT -- YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE SAID, OH,
THEY HAVE HARD TIME GETTING OUT FROM THEIR STREET.
IT -- I NEVER SEEN THEM.
THEY ARE IN FRONT OF ME.
I CAN SEE THEY CAN GET IN AND OUT EASILY.
AND WE JUST -- YOU KNOW, WAS THINKING ADDING MORE EXIT OR
ENTRANCE TO THE -- TO ESTRELLA STREET -- WE DISCUSSED WITH
THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
AND THEY SAID, OKAY, THIS IS POSSIBLE.
THIS IS GOOD.
THAT IS WHY.
I JUST WANT TO, LIKE, MENTION I CARE ABOUT MY NEIGHBORHOOD
AND I CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE AROUND ME.
I JUST ASK THEM IF THEY WOULD LIKE THE PROJECT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
08:47:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN?
ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD, SIR.
08:47:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOTION CLOSE.
08:47:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN
CLENDENIN.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
08:47:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS IS AN INTERESTING ONE.
I WILL GO BACK TO SOMETHING THAT COUNCILMAN VIERA SAID
EARLIER.
I CAME INTO THIS FEELING ONE WAY COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN
WHERE I AM AT RIGHT NOW.
I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA AS WELL.
MY KIDS WENT TO MAYBERRY.
FULL DISCLOSURE.
I AM FAMILIAR WITH THERE AND A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN ESTRELLA
DURING THE SCHOOL PERIOD AND ABSOLUTELY.
HERE IS PART OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE ARE FACING IN TAMPA AND
REDEVELOPMENT.
AND I THINK THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS AND WHAT WE SEE ON A
LOT OF THESE REQUESTS FOR REDEVELOPMENT IS THEY TRY TO PUT
WAY TOO MUCH ON TOO SMALL OF A LOT.
I MEAN WAY TOO MUCH.
AND THEN THEY DON'T ORIENT THEIR UNITS TO THE STREETS.
THEY DON'T HAVE THAT INTERCONNECTIVITY.
THEY ARE TAKING OUT GRAND TREES.
ALL -- JUST PROBLEM AFTER PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW A PIECE OF PARCEL THIS BIG.
WE SEE PROJECTS COMING IN HERE TRYING TO SQUEEZE SIX OR MORE
UNITS AND THEN HAVING THEM CONVOLUTED AND WEIRD.
THIS ONE HAS GOON TO GREAT EFFORTS NOT TO DO THAT.
I KNOW FOLKS TALK EVER THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU ARE NEGLECTING TO SAY THAT THAT CHARACTER OF THE
NEIGHBORHOOD IS ONLY THIS WAY.
50% OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS BACK THIS WAY TOO AND ALL
COMMERCIAL AREA.
ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE ARE HAVING IN TAMPA -- AND PART
OF THE DEVELOPING OF AN OLD CITY -- THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN
IS, WE DON'T HAVE STEP-DOWN DENSITY.
I HAVE SPOKEN WITH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ADVOCATES.
AND WHY DON'T YOU FIX THE COMP PLAN, IT IS HANG BY ITS WAY.
WE NEED STEP-DOWN DENSITY FROM THE COMMERCIAL AND
TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS.
HENDERSON IS OBVIOUSLY A BUSY STREET AND ALIGNED WITH
COMMERCIAL AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY TRANSITION TYPE OF HOUSING.
ANY TYPE OF TRANSITION AS QUESTION STEP DOWN TO THE
SINGLE-FAMILY.
I FIND THIS UNIQUE BECAUSE THIS -- THIS INDIVIDUAL HAS COME
ON A NICE SIZED PIECE OF PROPERTY IN A VERY MODEST PROPOSAL
FOR REDEVELOPMENT WITH TWO ADDITION ALLEGE UNITS -- GOING
FROM TWO TO FOUR.
SO WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT A REALLY GIGANTIC IMPACT.
AND, AGAIN, WE ARE TRANSITIONING FROM THAT COMMERCIAL
CORRIDOR INSTEAD OF BUILDING A SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE RIGHT UP
AGAINST A BAR AS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
WE HAVE SOME TRANSITION THERE.
MY QUESTION TO ALL THE FOLKS, IF NOT HERE, WHERE IN TAMPA
WOULD WE DO THIS.
AND THAT IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF THING I AM LOOKING FOR WITH
THE PROPOSALS.
WE LOOK A LOT OF THIS IN TAMPA HEIGHTS.
WE LOOK A LOT IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
ALONG FLORIDA.
ALONG NEBRASKA.
AND WE ARE TALKING OF THE STEP-DOWN DENSITY.
AND IT DOESN'T HAPPEN A LOT IN SOUTH TAMPA, BUT I THINK THIS
IS AN APPROPRIATE AREA FOR IT.
I HONESTLY CAN'T FIND A COMPELLING -- YOU KNOW, A COMPETENT
REASON -- I WENT THROUGH THE PD CRITERIA.
AND THAT CLEARLY MEETS -- UNLESS WE REVOKE THE PD CRITERIA.
THE INTEGRATION OF LAND USE AND DENSITY IN ONE DEVELOPMENT
THAT WOULD NOT OTHERWISE BE PROVIDED FOR AND GENERAL ZONING
DISTRICT ESTABLISHED IN THIS CHAPTER THEIR ENCOURAGED
COMPATIBILITY IN OVERALL SITE AND SCALE EXTERNAL AND
INTERNAL FOR THE PROJECT.
TO ACKNOWLEDGE CHANGING NEEDS, ECONOMICS AND CONSUMER
PREFERENCES AND I BELIEVE AGAIN RELATIVELY LARGE
TRACKS UNDER UNIFIED CONTROL AND THE FLEXIBILITY OF THE
DEVELOPMENT MUCH OLDER AREAS OF THE CITY.
YOU LOOK THAT THE, AGAIN, IT RINGS TRUE IN THIS PARCEL.
AGAIN, IT IS NOT -- NOT AN OVERLY, YOU KNOW CRAZY ASK TO ADD
TWO UNITS.
AND TO TRANSITION OFF OF THIS COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.
IF THIS -- IF THIS REQUEST WAS ONE BLOCK FURTHER TO THE
WEST, I WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE SINGING A DIFFERENT -- YOU KNOW,
BECAUSE WE WOULD BE IN -- RIGHT DEEP INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU THIS IS A TRANSITIONAL PROPERTY.
TO SO I AM GOING TO SUPPORT THIS REQUEST.
08:51:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYBODY ELSE?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
08:51:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I ACTUALLY AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY AND I THINK YOU SHOULD MAKE
A MOTION.
08:51:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY ELSE?
08:52:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED.
08:52:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD, SIR.
08:52:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHERE ARE WE AT.
08:52:10PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NUMBER 6.
08:52:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ORDINANCE FOR FIRST READING 4116 AND 4118
WEST ESTRELLA STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
CLASSIFICATION RS-60 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY TO PD PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY, SEMI DETACHED
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND I BELIEVE THERE IS A
REVISION SHEET WITH THIS AS WELL.
08:52:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, THERE IS.
08:52:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT I HAVE FOUND THAT BASED ON THE
COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE OF THE APPLICANT AND
COMPARING WITH SECTIONS 27-136 OF PLANNED DEVELOPMENT PD
CRITERIA AS I PREVIOUSLY STATED TO ALLOW THE INTEGRATION OF
DIFFERENT LAND USES AND DENSITY IN ONE DEVELOPMENT THAT
WOULD NOT OTHERWISE BE PROVIDED FOR UNDER GENERAL ZONING
DISTRICTS, COMPATIBILITY AND OVERALL DESIGN AND SCALE
INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL TO THE PROJECT, AND NUMBER FOUR,
ACKNOWLEDGE THE CHANGING NEEDS, POLICIES, ECONOMICS AND CON
SOMETIMES PREFERENCES AND LOW FOR INGENUITY AND IMAGINATION
OF LARGE TRACTS UNDER UNIFIED CONTROL AND IN AN OLDER AREA
THE CITY.
ALSO TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE TRANSPORTATION FOUND IT
CONSISTENT.
I KNOW THAT WAS A LOT OF WHAT WAS SAID WAS ABOUT
TRANSPORTATION ISSUES.
OUR TRANSPORTATION EXPERTS FOUND IN TO BE CONSISTENT.
08:53:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A SECOND.
08:53:46PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SECOND.
08:53:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ROLL CALL VOTE.
08:53:49PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
08:53:50PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
08:53:52PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
08:53:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
08:53:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
08:53:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
08:53:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
08:54:01PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIES WITH CARLSON AND MANISCALCO VOTED
NO.
SECOND READING IS MARCH 7, 2024 79:30 A.M. LOCATED OLD CITY
HALL, 315 E. KENNEDY BOULEVARD, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
08:54:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ITEM NUMBER 7.
08:54:26PM >>SAM THOMAS:
SAM THOMAS.
LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM NUMBER 7, REZ-24-08, 1911 WEST BEACH STREET FROM RS-50
TO RM-18.
I WILL TURN IT OVER TO EMILY FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
08:54:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
08:54:55PM >>EMILY PHELAN:
EMILY PHELAN, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
LOCATED WITHIN THE CENTRAL TAMPA DISTRICT, WEST TAMPA
VILLAGE AND OLD WEST NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE COASTAL PLANNING AREA,
SPECIFICALLY EVACUATION ZONE D.
08:55:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SORRY ABOUT THAT.
08:55:24PM >>EMILY PHELAN:
THE SUBJECT SITE LOCATED HERE.
THE SURROUNDING AREA IS PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL WITH SOME
COMMERCIAL USES TO THE SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
IN THE AREA, THERE ARE SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED DUPLEXES AND
MULTIFAMILY USES.
THIS IS THE ADOPTED FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS HERE AND REPRESENTED BY THE
RESIDENTIAL-35 DESIGNATION.
AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE MAP IT IS SURROUNDED BY THE
DESIGNATION AND MOVING FURTHER EAST AND WEST AS YOU GET TO
OTHER DESIGNATIONS, COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35 AND COMMUNITY
COMMERCIAL 35 TO THE WEST.
THE RESIDENTIAL-35 DESIGNATED PARCELS ON THIS PORTION OF
WEST B STREET BETWEEN NORTH ALBANY AND NORTH FREMONT AVENUE
HAVE AN EXISTING DENSITY OF 17 -- EXCUSE ME, 7.13.14 UNITS
PER ACRE BASED ON SEVEN SITES.
EXISTING DENSITY 20% OF THE DENSITY PLANNED FOR UNDER THE
RESIDENTIAL-35 DESIGNATION.
PROPOSED ZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE DESIGNATION
LAND NOT ALTER THE CHARACTER AND PATTERN OF THIS WEST TAMPA
NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS WITHIN THE WEST TAMPA URBAN VILLAGE AND
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PLANS TO DIRECT THE GROWTH TO VILLAGES.
SUBJECT SITE IS ONE BLOCK EAST OF NORTH HOWARD AVENUE A
TRANSIT CORRIDOR AND SUITABLE FOR INTENSIFICATION AND TWO
AND A HALF MILES FROM TAMPA'S DOWNTOWN CORE.
PROPOSED REZONING WILL ENCOURAGE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN
UNDERUTILIZED LOSS AND HOUSING CHOICES IN THE URBAN VILLAGE.
THE APPLICANT SHOULD ADDRESS ALL APPLICABLE PLAN POLICIES
DURING THE SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS.
ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF MULTIFAMILY OR SINGLE-FAMILY
ATTACH AND USES SHOULD EN ORIENTED TOWARD A NEIGHBORHOOD
SIDEWALK OR STREET.
DUE TO THE SITE BEING WITHIN THE COASTAL PLANNING AREA,
SPECIFICALLY EVACUATION ZONE D, SHALL MITIGATE ANY IMPACTS
ON SHELTER SPACE DEMANDS AND ENSURE ANY IMPACTS SHELTER
SPACE DEMANDS ARE MITIGATED DURING THE REVIEW SITE PLAN
PROCESS.
OVERALL, THE PROPOSED ZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE
CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE LONG-RANGE
DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON THE 35 LAND USE DESIGNATION.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
08:57:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
STATE YOUR NAME.
08:57:56PM >> SAM THOMAS, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
START WITH OUR AERIAL MAP.
SUBJECT SITE OUTLINED IN RED ON NORTH BEACH.
TO THE NORTH AROUND CONRAD AND SOUTH AROUND APPROXIMATELY
MET TOE.
THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED NOT PRIMARILY
SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED.
RS-50 ON BEACH STREET.
AND ON THE SOUTH SIDE RM-16 ALONG BE WITH COMMERCIAL
NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING.
WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WAREHOUSE HERE.
ALONG ALBANY.
WE HAVE A CONVENIENCE STORE AND A GENTLEMEN'S CLUB.
FARTHER DOWN A CIGAR FACTORY RECOGNIZED UNDER COMMERCIAL
INTENSIVE USE THAT IS BEING REPURPOSED AND THE CIGAR FACTORY
FARTHER TO THE SOUTH ON THE CORNER OF WEST CONRAD STREET AND
NORTHERN AVENUE.
PD FOR THREE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED UNITS AND A BLOCK AND A
HALF FROM THE SITE IS THE ROME YARD DEVELOPMENT.
REZ 22-13 SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS BEEN -- UNITS HAVE BEEN
APPROVED.
EUCLIDIAN, I HAVE PICTURES FROM THE SURROUNDING SUBJECT
SITE.
THIS IS THE SUBJECT SITE RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS LOOKING NORTH FROM WEST BEACH.
THIS IS THE PINK HOUSE THAT IS DIRECTLY TO THE EAST OF THE
VACANT SITE.
LOOKING WEST ON NORTH BEACH.
THIS IS TO THE EAST OF THE SUBJECT SITE LOOKING NORTH AGAIN.
THIS IS LOOKING WEST ON BEACH.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE THERE AND SOME OF
THE SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED PROPERTIES ON THE SOUTH SIDE
AND RM-16 ZONING DISTRICT.
A LITTLE BIT CLOSER VIEW OF THOSE.
TWO OF THEM WERE IN THE PAST PICTURES LOOKING SOUTH AGAIN.
THEN THE SAME HOUSE A LITTLE BIT FARTHER OVER, YOU CAN SEE
THE WALL SEPARATING THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE FROM THE
COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE.
THIS IS LOOKING WEST TOWARD ALBANY.
A BETTER VIEW OF THE COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSES ON THAT BLOCK.
THIS IS LOOKING EAST TOWARD ROME YARD.
YOU CAN SEE THE SUBJECT SITE RIGHT HERE.
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION AND COMPLIANCE STAFF REVIEWED THE
APPLICATION AND FIND THE REQUEST TO BE CONSISTENT.
WHILE SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED AND MULTIFAMILY UNITS HAVE BEEN
APPROVED IN PROXIMITY TO THE SUBJECT SITE, THE CURRENT
DEVELOPMENT PATTERN DIRECTLY SURROUNDING THE SUBJECT SITE IS
SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY
QUESTIONS.
09:00:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY QUESTIONS?
YES, MA'AM.
09:00:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR NATURAL RESOURCES THAT
MIGHT INCLUDE -- YEAH.
SO THERE WAS ANOTHER PHOTO THAT REALLY CAPTURED MY
ATTENTION.
I THINK IT WAS THE FIRST PHOTO.
THAT TREE IS OBVIOUSLY NOT ON THIS PROPERTY, CORRECT?
09:00:58PM >>ERIN MAHER:
THAT'S CORRECT, ERIN MAHER, NATURAL
RESOURCES.
THAT IS A GRAND LIVE OAK AND PRESERVATION QUALITY AND THE
LIMB EXPENDS ABOUT 67 FEET ON TO THE SITE.
AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE WITHIN ANSI 300 STANDARDS WHEN
THEY PRUNE AND CAN'T REMOVE MORE THAN 20% OF THE CROWN AT
ONE TIME.
THIS IS EUCLIDIAN, SO THAT WASN'T ADDRESSED OR ASSESSED AT
THIS POINT IN TIME.
BUT IT WILL BE QUESTIONABLE TO DO THAT.
I WILL SAY SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURE OF THIS TREE -- I MEAN
YOU CAN SEE -- THIS THE LIMB THAT EXTENDS OUT.
AND -- AND THAT APPEARS TO ME THAT THAT IS MORE LIKE 30%.
25% OF THE TREE'S CROWN.
09:01:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT.
09:01:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY ELSE?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SIR.
YES, MA'AM.
YOU ARE THE APPLICANT.
WERE YOU SWORN IN?
YES, I WAS.
09:02:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COME UP AND YOU MAY PRESENT.
09:02:04PM >> THANK YOU FOR STAYING LATE.
AND I AM THE AUTHORIZED AGENT ON THE APPLICATION THAT LISTS
MY HUSBAND, PAUL POP AS THE APPLICANT REQUESTING THIS
REZONING, 41911 WEST BEACH STREET.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS GRAND TREE SITUATION, BECAUSE
ACTUALLY THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE DID ACQUIRE THIS
PROPERTY.
OUR CURRENT PROPERTY -- THE REASON WHY WE GOT OUR OWN HOME,
LAND, 11 YEARS AGO WAS BECAUSE IT WAS THE ONLY PLOT THAT HAD
A GRAND OAK TREE IN THE BACK YARD CAN BE VISIBLE BY ANY
AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHY.
THIS PARTICULAR GRAND OAK TREE, THE PROPERTY WAS ACQUIRED IN
FULL ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF ITS EXISTENCE AND WITH THE FULL
COMMITMENT OF PRESERVING IT.
AND TO SHOW THAT WE WERE TRULY COMMITTED TO THIS.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, WE DID NOT COME IN FRONT OF THIS COUNCIL
AS SOON AS WE ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY.
IT TOOK US SOME TIME TO THINK WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO WITH
IT.
HOW WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, UTILIZE IT, DEVELOP IT.
HOWEVER, WE DID ENGAGE THE SERVICES OF CERTIFIED ARBORIST,
MARK HUGHES WITH ARBORIST ON BOARD.
THAT IS ACTUAL LEGAL BEFORE WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY.
UNDERSTAND WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IN ORDER TO PRESERVE THE
TREE.
THEN LATER ON, WAY AFTER WE GOT THE PROPERTY, WE OBTAINED,
WE WORKED WITH MARK, AND WE GOT THIS 11-PAGE REPORT ABOUT
WHAT WE CAN TO DO MITIGATE, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE -- TO BE ABLE
TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY, BUT ALSO TO PRESERVE THE TREE.
AND IN ANSWER TO YOUR CONCERN.
THIS REPORT WILL -- ONCE WE SUBMIT IT EVENTUALLY WITH THE
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, WE WILL DEMONSTRATE THAT WE ARE TRYING
TO KEEP THE PRUNING DOWN TO A MINIMUM, MAYBE 10% AT MOST OF
THE GRAND OAK TREE.
WITH THAT RESPECT, OUR SUBMISSION AND PETITION IS EXTREMELY
SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT WAS ON NUMBER 5 OF THE AGENDA TODAY
BY ALEX RIOS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A GRAND OAK TREE ON
OUR PROPERTY AND NEEDED THE CREATIVITY AND -- AND THE EFFORT
TO MAKE IT WORK.
SO THAT IS ACTUALLY THE REASON BEHIND THIS PARTICULAR
PETITION.
BECAUSE WE WANTED TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL OPTION ASIDE FROM
JUST BUILDING A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.
WE WANTED TO HAVE POTENTIALLY THE OPTION TO BUILD, YOU KNOW,
A TWO-FAMILY HOME, SEMI DETACHED IN ORDER TO UTILIZE, YOU
KNOW, TO MAKE MOST USE OUT OF THE PROPERTY CONSIDERING THAT
WE HAVE TO PROVIDE NOR 21-FOOT RADIUS TO PROTECT THE TREE.
JUST LIKE IN ALEX RIOS' CASE.
SO THAT IS, AGAIN, THE REASON BEHIND -- THE BIGGEST REASON
WE CAME IN FRONT OF YOU, THE COUNCIL, WITH THIS REQUEST FOR
THE REZONING, TO BASICALLY HAVE THE ADDITIONAL OPTION.
BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW YET WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
BUT, AGAIN, THE TREE WILL BE PROTECTED.
THE REPORT -- I AM SURE SAM, IF WE SUBMITTED THE REPORT TO
YOU.
BUT WE CAN GIVE IT TO YOU IF SO NEEDED OF THE ARBORIST AND
PART OF THE PLANNED TRANSMISSION AT THE TIME WE WERE TO AT
THE SIDE TO DEVELOP THE LAND.
09:05:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALL RIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
IF NOT, I WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
NO?
ALL RIGHT.
09:05:36PM >> OH, I AM SORRY.
09:05:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
STATE YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
09:05:48PM >> I WANT TO SAY TWO GOOD TREE PROJECTS TONIGHT AND CARROLL
ANNE HAS BEEN OUT THERE BOTH TIMES AND SHE WOULD BE, LIKE,
SO ELATED.
I AM UP HERE SPEAKING FOR CARROLL ANNE.
09:05:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHAT IS YOUR NAME.
09:06:00PM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
09:06:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. WHITMORE.
YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
09:06:10PM >> BOB WHITMORE, CITY TREE.
I WAS WATCHING DOWNSTAIRS, AND I SAW THERE WAS AN AWFUL LOT
OF PANIC -- AND I CAME UP HERE.
I SAW A LOT OF PRUNING THAT WILL BE DONE.
AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN THEY BUY THIS PROPERTY, YOUR
INTENTIONS ARE GREAT.
AND I AM SURE THEY ARE.
BUT THINGS -- THINGS EVENTUALLY CHANGE.
WILL -- WILL WE BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMETHING DOESN'T
CHANGE AFTER THAT WHERE THE TREE IS COMPROMISED OR IS THERE
A WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT -- IT IS A BIG ONE.
IT'S A BIG ONE.
09:06:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:06:49PM >> THANK YOU.
09:06:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CAN THAT BE CLARIFIED?
09:06:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, MISS MAHER.
09:06:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IF THIS WERE TO GO FORWARD, COULD IT BE
PART OF THE SITE PLAN, THE CONDITIONS, THE REVISION, THE
WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, WHERE THE TREE IS, YOU KNOW,
HAS TO BE PROTECTED?
09:07:07PM >>ERIN MAHER:
YEAH, ERIN MAHER, LANDS DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
IF ANYTHING WERE TO CHANGE LET'S SAY THEY NEEDED TO REMOVE
IT BECAUSE THE IMPACTS WERE TOO FREIGHT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO
GO TO A VRB TO REMOVE THAT TREE.
09:07:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A PROCESS IN PLACE.
09:07:23PM >> FOR REMOVAL.
09:07:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU CAN GO IN A PROCESS TO REMOVE A TREE THAT
IS NOT IN YOUR OWN YARD.
09:07:31PM >> I AM NOT SURE IF --
09:07:34PM >> THE TREE IS ON THE PROPERTY.
09:07:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COME ON UP.
09:07:36PM >> LIANA MORGINIAN.
THE TREE -- BASED ON THE LAND ASSESSMENT AND ON THE SITE
PLANS AND ALL, THE TREE IS ON THE PROPERTY.
IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE PART LEAVE SHARED WITH THE NEIGHBOR
ONLY BECAUSE IT GREW -- THE PORTION OF THE TRUNK THAT GREW
OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY WHICH IS PROBABLY LESS THAN TEN
NUMBERS, BUT IT WOULD BE OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
IT IS -- THE TREE -- THE ROOTS OF THE TREES ARE ON THIS
PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
YES.
AND LIKE I SAID, THE INTENTIONS WERE TO PRUNE LESS THAN 10%
OF THE TREE IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE WHATEVER BUILD THERE MAY
BE.
WE CONSIDERED ALL KINDS OF OPTIONS.
AND JUST LIKE IN THE CASE OF ALEX RIOS ARE, WE WERE PLANNING
TO SHIFT A GARAGE AND CARPORT ALL THE WAY TO THE WEST SIDE
OF THE PROPERTY TO PROVIDE THE CLEAR -- YOU KNOW, TO
OPTIMIZE THE LAYOUT, WHILE PROVIDING ALL THE CLEARANCE
NECESSARY FOR THE CROWN OF THE TREE AS FAR AS IT EXTENDS
WHICH IS ACTUALLY ALMOST CLOSE TO -- TODAY, IT IS CLOSE TO
HALF OF THE LENGTH OF THE PROPERTY.
SO THE PROPERTY IS 107 FEET.
THE CROWN OF THE TREE EXTENDS ALMOST BY 50 FEET AT ITS
WIDEST.
RIGHT NOW, IT IS -- I HAVE DIMENSIONS -- I HAVE TO MENTION
THE FACT THAT THE REPORT WILL SHOW WHILE THAT IS CORRECT,
THE TREE HAS NOT BEEN PRESERVED TODAY BECAUSE THOSE BRANCHES
THAT ARE AT THE EXTREME PERIMETER OF THE TREE CROWN ARE
ALMOST -- LIKE I CAN TOUCH THEM.
THAT IS HOW I CAN SAY THEY WILL EXTEND FAR OUT, BECAUSE THEY
ARE VERY LOW.
SO THEY HAVE NOT -- THE TREE HAS NOT BEEN PRUNED AND
MAINTAINED PROPERLY.
THE REST OF THE PROPERTY SINCE WE ACQUIRED IT TO KEEP IT
NICE AND CLEAN.
AND -- SO, YEAH, JUST DETAILS THAT I CAN GIVE FROM YOU
LEARNING INFORMATION AND DISCUSSING IT WITH THE ARBORISTS.
09:09:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:09:51PM >> SURE.
09:09:52PM >>ERIN MAHER:
ERIN MAHER, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THEY CAN DO OTHER THINGS LIKE GET A DESIGN EXCEPTION IF THEY
NEEDED TO ADJUST THEIR SETBACKS SOMEWHAT OR POTENTIALLY EVEN
A VARIANCE IF THEY NEEDED TO GO BEYOND WHAT IS ALLOWED
WITHIN THE DESIGN EXCEPTION.
SO THERE COULD BE OTHER METHODS TO TRY TO PRESERVE THAT
TREE.
09:10:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT HERE, WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO
PRESERVE THE TREE WITH THE -- WITH JUST A EUCLIDIAN
REZONING?
09:10:20PM >>ERIN MAHER:
NOT WITH A EUCLIDIAN.
NO SITE PLAN.
AND NOT REALLY ANY CONDITIONS TO PUT ON ANYTHING.
09:10:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
09:10:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
09:10:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WANT TO VERIFY THIS.
AND I AM READING THIS CORRECT.
THIS LOT IS ONLY 5 --
09:10:43PM >> 50 X 100.
50 X 107.
09:10:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW WILL YOU SQUEEZE MULTIFAMILY --
09:10:53PM >> ACCORDING -- THANK YOU.
SO -- LET ME SEE IF I CAN WORK THIS.
YES, THIS IS THE SURVEY.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE TREE IS -- IS RIGHT HERE.
09:11:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU WILL HAVE A 20-FOOT PROTECTIVE RADIUS
FROM THAT.
09:11:14PM >> 21.
09:11:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
RIGHT NOW YOU ARE -- SINGLE-FAMILY, BUT
YOU ARE ASKING FOR MULTIFAMILY.
WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO BUILD MULTIFAMILY ON THAT TINY LOT.
09:11:23PM >> I WANT TO CLARIFY, WHETHER IT IS ONE SINGLE-FAMILY OR
WHETHER TWO RESIDENTIAL FAMILIES, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE
BUILDING WOULD BE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.
BECAUSE WE WOULD TRY TO OPTIMIZE WHATEVER SPACE WE CAN GET
OUT OF THE LAND OUTSIDE OF THE -- YOU KNOW, PROTECTING THE
TREE.
RIGHT NOW WITH THE RM-18, THE SPECIFICATION WAS MADE THAT WE
ARE LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM OF TWO DWELLINGS.
AND ACCORDING THIS PARTICULAR RM-18 ZONING, ALLOWS FOR
MAXIMUM DWELLING FOR 2400 SQUARE FEET WHICH IS MORE THAN
ENOUGH, LET'S SAY, IMAGINE --
09:12:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BUT YOU HAVE SETBACKS TOO.
09:12:08PM >> YES, WE HAVE THE SETBACKS WHICH WERE MORE THAN SATISFYING
THE SETBACKS BECAUSE, LIKE I SAID, THE SETBACKS WOULD BE
CONSIDERED AS -- AS AN AVERAGE -- BLOCK AVERAGE, RIGHT.
THANK YOU, SAM.
BUT WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE GOING EVEN FURTHER BEHIND WITH OUR
SETBACKS AGAIN TO ACCOMMODATE THE TREE.
IF YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT THE REMAINDER -- THE REMAINDER OF
THE -- OF THE PROPERTY HERE THAT WE WOULD WANT TO BUILD
WOULD BE CLOSE TO THAT 2200 SQUARE FEET, LET'S SAY.
IMAGINE ONE UNIT ON THE GROUND FLOOR AND ONE ON THE TOP,
ALTHOUGH THEY MAY NOT BE SET THAT WAY.
BUT JUST FOR ILLUSTRATION PURPOSES, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO FIT
THAT WITHIN THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING -- OF THE ZONING
DISTRICT.
IT MAY BE DONE SIDE BY SIDE VERTICALLY, BUT WE DON'T KNOW
YET.
JUST SPECULATION AT THIS POINT I HAVE TO SAY.
WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THIS OPTION, BECAUSE
WHETHER WE HAVE TWO DWELLINGS OR ONE, WE ARE IN THE EXACT
SAME PREDICAMENT.
YOU EITHER KEEP THE LOT VACANT THERE OR TRY TO WORK WITH
SOMEONE WHO IS -- YOU KNOW, WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO PRESERVE
IT.
AND I HOPE OUR EFFORTS GOING BACK TO JULY ARE DEMONSTRATING
THAT.
SO WHETHER IT IS US OR ANYBODY ELSE, THE PREDICAMENT
REMAINS.
AND WE ARE -- YOU KNOW, WE ARE IN FOOD FAITH TRYING TO MAKE
EVERY EFFORT TO MAKE THIS WORK, OR WE WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN
THIS LOT.
WE WOULD HAVE GONE ELSEWHERE TO GET A LOT, ANOTHER LOT
WITHOUT A HEADACHE.
09:13:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL.
MOTION TO CLOSE?
09:13:58PM >>ERIN MAHER:
ERIN MAHER, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
I WANT TO POINT OUT SEEING THE SURVEY HERE.
TO ME THIS APPEARS THAT THIS TREE IS OFFSITE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT FOR THE RECORD.
09:14:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE ALREADY HAD PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC --
09:14:19PM >> IT IS ALSO OUT OF PROPORTION.
09:14:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WOULD YOU LIKE ADD ANYTHING ELSE?
YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL.
09:14:26PM >> I GUESS I COULD SAY THAT I AM NOT SURE HOW MUCH TO SCALE
THE LITTLE TREE THAT IS PUT THERE ON THE -- ON THE
TOPOGRAPHICAL SURVEY IS, BUT CLEARLY THAT IS NOT ALL THE
TREE WE ARE LOOKING AT HERE.
I THINK IT WAS -- I CANNOT SPEAK FOR OF THE SURVEYOR, BUT IF
YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTY LINE, WHILE ON THE PROPERTY, IT IS
ABSOLUTELY CLEAR THAT THIS TREE IS -- IS ON THIS PROPERTY.
AS MUCH AS I WOULD LOVE TO SAY THAT IT IS NOT AT THIS POINT,
IT IS ON OUR PROPERTY.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE COMMITTED TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO
PRESERVE IT, EVEN BEYOND WHAT THE MOST STRINGENT
REQUIREMENTS MAY BE SO I DON'T KNOW OF THE PROPORTION OF
THAT BUSHY LOOKING THING THERE.
I DON'T KNOW.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.
I AM SORRY.
09:15:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:15:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST A QUESTION MAYBE FOR STAFF OR LEGAL.
IF -- IF THIS WERE TO COME UP FOR A VARIANCE FOR THE TREE,
THIS TESTIMONY WOULD BE ADMISSIBLE TO THAT CASE, CORRECT?
OR INCORRECT?
09:15:53PM >>CATE WELLS:
CATE WELLS, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I MEAN, THE TESTIMONY GIVEN TODAY BY THE PROPERTY OWNER IS
SWORN TESTIMONY.
THERE IS NO REQUIREMENTS IN THE CODE THAT THIS TYPE OF
TESTIMONY TRAVELS WITH ANY OTHER APPLICATION THAT IS FILED
AS IT RELATES TO THIS PARCEL BUT COULD SOMEONE THERE AFTER,
A NEIGHBOR PERHAPS TESTIFY AS TO WHAT WAS SAID PREVIOUSLY,
YES.
BUT IN WHAT CONTEXT, IT WOULD BE HARD TO SPECULATE.
NO REQUIREMENT THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT A RECORD OF THIS
HEARING WOULD THEN BE PART OF THAT FUTURE VRB HEARING.
09:16:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
09:16:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYTHING ELSE?
ANYTHING ELSE?
IF NOT, I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE.
09:16:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOTION CLOSE.
09:16:40PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SECOND.
09:16:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ 7?
09:16:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM GOING TO PREFACE 7 WITH THIS.
WE -- WE NEED DENSITY IN THE CITY.
IT'S RARE THAT WE GET A DEVELOPER THAT COMES IN FRONT OF US
THAT SAYS THEY BOUGHT A PROPERTY BECAUSE OF A TREE.
AND THE FACT THAT THIS PROPERTY OWNER IS THROWING OUT
NUMBERS THAT ARE SMALL AND REASONABLE TO A MULTIFAMILY
PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE ON SUCH A SMALL SITE IN A
NEIGHBORHOOD THAT TRADITIONALLY HAS SMALLER HOMES.
SO I AM -- I AM JUST GOING -- I AM GOING TO HOPE THAT THIS
WORKS OUT.
AND I REALLY -- I WANT THIS TO BE A PROJECT THAT CAN BE A
MODEL FOR PROPERTY GOING FORWARD WITH GRAND TREES ON IT.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, FILE NUMBER REZ 24-08, ORDINANCE
BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL HAVE I CITIZEN
TEE OF 1911 WEST BEACH STREET CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA,
DESCRIBED ZONING CLASSIFICATION RS-50 RESIDENTIAL
SINGLE-FAMILY TO RM-18, RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY PROVIDING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
I HAVE ADOPT THE FINDINGS AND REASONING OF THE PLANNING
COMMISSION STAFF REPORT THAT RESIDENTIAL-35 LAND USE
DESIGNATION ALLOWS UP TO FOUR DWELLING -- AM I -- NO, ALLOWS
UP TO FOUR DWELLINGS ON THE SITE AN EXISTING DENSITY IN THE
AREA IS 20% OF THE DENSITY PLANNED UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL-35
LAND USE DESIGNATION.
THE REZONING WHICH WOULD ALLOW UP TO TWO DWELLING UNITS
SUPPORT POLICIES 2.1.2.
5.1.1.
9.6.2.
9.6.4.
PAL SO HE 1.1.17 WHICH SEEKS TO USE LAND RESOURCE MORES
EFFICIENTLY WITH INFILL DEVELOPMENT ON UNDERUTILIZED SITES.
09:19:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
09:19:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS, BECAUSE IT
REALLY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I SAID IN THE PREVIOUS ISSUE
THAT WAS BEFORE COUNCIL ABOUT SOMETHING BEING DEEP IN A
NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS IS DEEP INTO A SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE ARE
CHANGING THE ZONING.
I THINK -- I AGREE WITH STAFF -- DEVELOPMENT STAFF'S FINDING
OF INCONSISTENT BECAUSE OF THAT.
THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THIS AREA IS ALL SINGLE-FAMILY.
IT IS NOT ON THE TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR.
IT DOESN'T ABUT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
IT -- I DON'T FIND ANY REASON TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM ITS
EXISTING STATUS, THANK YOU.
09:19:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT, ROLL CALL VOTE.
09:19:48PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
09:19:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
09:19:52PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
09:19:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
09:19:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO.
09:19:57PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
09:19:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
09:20:00PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CLENDENIN VOTING NO.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON MARCH 7, 2024 AT
9:30 A.M., LOCATED AT OLD CITY HALL, 315 E. KENNEDY
BOULEVARD, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 3602.
09:20:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR, MR. SHELBY.
HE WILL TAKE A 20-MINUTE RECESS.
MR. SHELBY.
09:20:23PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND THE
CHAMBERS, THERE IS A PROCESS TO BEGIN BRINGING PEOPLE UP
FROM DOWNSTAIRS.
I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WAITING.
A PROCESS HAS BEEN INSTITUTED WHERE IT IS IN NUMERICAL
ORDER.
I AM GOING TO ASK, MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH YOUR APPROVAL TO ASK
EVERYBODY BUT THE ATTORNEYS FOR THE APPLICANT WHO ARE GOING
TO BE PRESENTING.
EVERYBODY ELSE WOULD PLEASE CLEAR THE CHAMBERS TO BRING IN
THE PEOPLE IN NUMERICAL ORDER PLEASE.
09:20:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE ARE IN RECESS FOR 20 MINUTES.
09:50:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WELCOME BACK TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
ROLL CALL.
09:50:21PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
09:50:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
09:50:26PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PRESENT.
09:50:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
09:50:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
09:50:30PM >>CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:50:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MISS WELLS.
09:50:36PM >>CATE WELLS:
MARTIN SHELBY WANTED TO COMMENT.
09:50:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL AND MEMBERS OF
THE PUBLIC.
FIRST THING I WOULD LIKE TO ASK COUNCIL DO AT THIS POINT.
WE ALREADY EARLIER THIS EVENING RECEIVED AND FILED EX-PARTE
COMMUNICATION -- WRITTEN EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS THAT ARE
AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC INSPECTION.
THAT ALREADY BEING DONE, I WILL ASK YOU RELATIVE TO THIS
HAVE THERE BEEN ANY EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS THAT NEEDED TO
BE DISCLOSED?
09:51:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LONG BEFORE I WAS A COUNCILPERSON, I
ATTENDED A MEETING AT THE GARDEN CLUB WHERE THEY DISCUSSED
THE ISSUES OF DEVELOPMENT NEXT DOOR.
I DIDN'T NECESSARILY PARTICIPATE IN THE DISCUSSIONS OTHER
THAN IN CASUAL WAY, BUT I WAS NOT ON COUNCIL AT THE TIME.
09:51:23PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU CAN BE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL BASED ON THE
EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD TODAY?
09:51:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
09:51:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ANYBODY ELSE?
OKAY.
THANK YOU.
THE OTHER THING THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE -- I HAVE
DISCUSSED WITH THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE MR. KRAMER WAS
THE ORDER OF BUSINESS OF TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND THE SUGGESTION IS THAT AFTER THE STAFF PRESENTATION, THE
PETITIONER HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE THEIR TIME FOR A
PRESENTATION.
AND THE REQUEST THEN IS TO HAVE THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE
TEMPLE, RODEPH SHALOM SPEAK.
HOW MANY MR. KRAMER?
09:52:05PM >> THREE.
09:52:05PM >> FOLLOWING THAT, THERE ARE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE GARDEN
CLUB.
AND I BELIEVE THERE ARE THREE REPRESENTATIVES AS WELL, IF I
UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY.
DO YOU RECALL WHO THEY ARE, SIR?
I KNOW MR. PRESSMAN IS ONE.
AND THEN THERE ARE TWO OTHERS.
AND I BELIEVE THEY EACH HAVE SPEAKER WAIVER FORMS.
YOUR NAME IS --
09:52:24PM >> CHARLES GOTIER.
09:52:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AGAIN, COUNSEL, YOUR NAME IS --
09:52:30PM >> JANE GRAHAM.
09:52:32PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JANE GRAHAM, I BELIEVE THAT IS WITH THE
AGREEMENT OF MR. KRAMER.
09:52:36PM >> YES, SIR.
09:52:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AT THAT POINT FORWARD, WE WILL BE GOING IN
NUMERICAL ORDER AS MISS EDWARDS STATED.
IF WE AGREE TO THAT.
THANK YOU, MISS WELLS, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
09:52:47PM >>CATE WELLS:
CATE WELLS, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
WE ARE HERE ON ITEM NUMBER 8, ITEM NUMBER REZ 24-06.
I WANTED TO BRIEFLY ADDRESS COUNCIL ON ISSUE BEFORE I TURN
IT OVER TO STAFF FOR THE INITIAL PRESENTATION.
MANY OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS WILL REMEMBER REZONING THAT
INVOLVED THIS PROPERTY THAT WAS CONSIDERED BY CITY COUNCIL
ON MAY 11 OF 2023.
IT WAS UNDER PETITION NUMBER REZ 22-93.
THERE HAVE BEEN QUESTIONS ASKED AS TO WHY IT IS PERMITTED
FOR THIS ITEM TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL ON ANOTHER PETITION FOR
REZONING WHEN 12 MONTHS HAVE NOT GONE BY SINCE THE LAST
DENIAL.
SECTION 27-150 OF THE CITY OF TAMPA LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE
DOES PROHIBIT THE CONSIDERATION OF A REZONINGS INVOLVING THE
SAME PARCEL FOR A PERIOD OF 12 MONTHS AFTER A DENIAL;
HOWEVER, THERE IS THE ABILITY BY CODE FOR THAT 12-MONTH
PERIOD TO BE WAIVED IF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR FINDS THAT
THE NEW APPLICATION IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS
CONSIDERED PREVIOUSLY AND ADDRESSES THE BASIS FOR DENIAL.
SO ERIC COTTON, IN HIS POSITION AS ZONING ADMINISTRATOR,
MADE THAT DETERMINATION THAT IN FACT THE PETITION THAT IS
BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING MAY BE CONSIDERED UNDER THAT
12-MONTH PERIOD BECAUSE IT COMPLIES WITH THE CRITERIA IN THE
CODE.
SO I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THAT DECISION ITSELF IS NOT
BEFORE COUNCIL TO BE DEBATED.
THAT DECISION HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE.
SO TO THE EXTENT THAT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WANTED TO
ADDRESS THAT, I WOULD RECOMMEND THEY SPEND THEIR THREE
MINUTES OR HOWEVER MUCH TIME THEY HAVE ON ISSUES THAT ARE
PROPERLY BEFORE THIS COUNCIL AND NOT THE ISSUE OF THIS BEING
CONSIDERED UNDER A 12-MONTH PERIOD.
I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
09:54:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
THANK YOU.
YES, SIR?
09:54:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, AS FOR THE COUNCIL AND
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO REMIND YOU, COUNCIL, THIS
DECISION SHOULD BE BASED ON COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
YOU ALL HEARD THAT EVIDENCE THAT IS BOTH RELEVANT AND
MATERIAL TO THE DECISION YOU HAVE TO MAKE.
YOU HAVE THE CRITERIA OF THE CODE IN FRONT OF YOU.
I ASK THAT YOU REFER TO IT.
YOU ARE GOING TO BE FINDERS OF FACT.
IN THAT CAPACITY, TO MAKE A DETERMINATION, YOU TAKE THE
FACTS AS YOU FIND THEM AND YOU APPLY THEM TO THE CRITERIA IN
THE CODE IN ORDER TO ARRIVE AT YOUR DECISION.
I WILL ASK THE PUBLIC TO REMAIN MINDFUL OF COUNCIL'S
RESPONSIBILITY.
AND TO DECIDE THIS CASE IN FACT BASED UPON COMPETENT,
SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
AND I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE NOT --
ONE IN PARTICULAR IS THE NUMBER OF SIGNATURES ON A PETITION.
THE COURT HAS FOUND IS NOT COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
SO WITH THAT IN MIND, COUNCIL, I WILL JUST ASK YOU TO BE
MINDFUL OF YOUR OBLIGATION AND LISTEN TO THE FACTS.
TAKE THE TESTIMONY.
RELY ON THE EVIDENCE.
AND APPLY THE CODE.
AND I THANK YOU.
09:56:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, MA'AM.
09:56:11PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL.
LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
I CAN GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE ITEM NUMBER 8, REZ 24-06 FOR
THE PROPERTY LOCATED 2017 BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
THE APPLICATION IS REPRESENTED BY JACOB KRAMER, PD PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT FOR RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY AND PD FOR RELIGIOUS FROM
ASSEMBLY AND MULTIFAMILY ON-SITE.
I WILL TURN TO EMILY TO GIVE HER REPORT.
AND THEN I WILL COME BACK AND GIVE MY REPORT.
09:56:49PM >>EMILY PHELAN:
EMILY PHELAN, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE SOUTH TAMPA PLANNING
DISTRICT AND BAYSHORE GARDENS NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND
EVACUATION ZONE A.
AN AERIAL OF THE SUBJECT SITE LOCATED HERE AND SURROUNDING
AREA CONTAIN AS MIXTURE OF USES.
THIS SEGMENT OF BAYSHORE BOULEVARD CONTAINS LIGHT
COMMERCIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED, SINGLE-FAMILY
RESIDENTIAL, PUBLIC USES AND MULTIFAMILY USES.
BAYSHORE PRESBYTERIAN APARTMENTS ARE HERE.
I AM GOING TO BUTCHER THIS -- ARTURO BAYSHORE IS LOCATED HERE
AND OFFICES ARE LOCATED TO THE WEST OF THE SUBJECT SITE AS
WELL.
THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS HERE AND REPRESENTED WITH THE
RESIDENTIAL-35 FUTURE LANDS USE DESIGNATION.
THIS PINK COLOR IS A COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35 DESIGNATION.
THE DARK BROWN IS RESIDENTIAL-83.
AND RESIDENTIAL-50 IS DOWN HERE.
THE RESIDENTIAL-35 DESIGNATION ALLOWS CONSIDERATION OF
MEDIUM DENSITY RECOMMENDATION USES INCLUDING MULTIFAMILY.
THE MULTIFAMILY USES AND PLACE OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY CAN BE
CONSIDERED WITHIN THE R-35 DESIGNATION.
THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIRED TO 18,400 SQUARE FOOT OF
ASSEMBLY 3323 SQUARE FEET.
AFTER SUBTRACTING THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIRED, 1.43 ACRES
CAN BE CONSIDERED FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THE PD PROPOSES 42 DWELLING UNITS ON THE REMAINING 1.4
ACRES.
SINCE THE PROPOSED REQUEST IS BELOW 30 UNITS PER ACRE, A
BONUS PROVISION AGREEMENT IS NOT REQUIRED.
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF FINDS THE REQUEST CONSISTENT WITH
THE DENSITY AND INTENSITY ANTICIPATED UNDER THE
RESIDENTIAL-35 DESIGNATION.
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF REVIEWED THE EXISTING DENSITIES OF
THE SURROUNDING AREA OF THE R-35 PARCELS.
EXISTING DENSITY 14.27 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE BASED ON 15
SAMPLE SIZE WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 40% OF THE DENSITY
ANTICIPATED UNDER THE R-35.
APPROXIMATELY 4.07 ACRES TO THE WEST AND NORTHWEST OF THE
SUBJECT SITE OUR PARCEL IS DESIGNATED R-83.
THIS AREA HAS AN EXISTING DENSITY OF 16.12 DWELLING UNITS
BASED ON FIVE SAMPLE SIZE WHICH IS 19% OF THE DENSITY
ANTICIPATED UNDER THE R-83.
GIVEN THE DENSITY AND INTENSITY IN THIS AREA OF THE CITY,
THE SURROUNDING AREA CAN SHALL CONSIDERED UNDERDEVELOPED.
AS I POINTED OUT EARLIER, THE BAYSHORE PRESBYTERIAN
APARTMENTS IS A 15-STORY MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT NORTHEAST
OF THE SITE ON SOUTH YSABELLA AVENUE.
ARTURO BAYSHORE HERE IS A 22-STORY HIGH-RISE AND LOCATED
SOUTHWEST OF THE SITE.
SEVERAL 15- TO 18-STORY TOWERS ALONG THE SUBJECT SITE ALONG
BAYSHORE BOULEVARD AND SEVERAL OTHER TALLER STRUCTURES NORTH
OF THE SITE ALSO ALONG BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF FINDS THAT THE REQUEST WILL NOT
ALTER THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.
FURTHER SUPPORTS 2.1.1 WHICH SEEKS TO ENCOURAGE COMPACT
HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE
SURROUNDING CHARACTER.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SEEKS TO PROMOTE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY
ALONG BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
SIDEWALKS ARE PROVIDED ALONG THE ADJACENT PUBLIC
RIGHTS-OF-WAY AND BUILDING ENTRANCES TO THE RESIDENTIAL
DEVELOP ARE ORIENTED TOWARD SOUTH YSABELLA AVENUE.
INTERNAL PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS FROM THE CROSSWALK FROM THE
PLACE OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY ENTRANCE TO THE SIDEWALK.
PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION ALSO HELP ENSURE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND
ACCESSIBILITIES.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALSO ENCOURAGES HIGH DENSITY,
MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND PEDESTRIAN-ORIENTED URBAN AREAS
WITH ACCESS TO TRANSIT, SERVICES, EMPLOYMENT AND AMENITIES.
THE PD SUPPORTS THIS POLICY DIRECTION DUE TO THE SITE BEING
ADJACENT TO TRANSIT SERVICES ALONG BAYSHORE BOULEVARD AND
WANT QUARTER MILE OF WEST BAY TO BAY AND SOUTH MacDILL
AVENUE AND THIS SITE IS ALSO IN PROXIMITY OF TWO PUBLIC
PARKS.
THE REQUEST SUPPORTS MANY POLICIES OF HOUSING THE CITY'S
POPULATION.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ENCOURAGES NEW HOUSING ON VACANT AND
UNDERUTILIZED LAND TO ENSURE THAT AN ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF
HOUSING MEETS THE NEEDS OF TAMPA'S FUTURE AND PRESENT
POPULATIONS AND WILL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL HOUSING CHOICES IN
THE BAYSHORE GARDENS NEIGHBORHOODS.
THE SUBJECT SITE WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND
EVACUATION ZONE A, AND WILL MITIGATE SHELTER SPACE DEMANDS
AND ENSURE ANY IMPACTS ON SHELTER IS SPACE DEMANDS ARE MITIGATED
DURING THE SITE PLAN PROCESS.
THE PROPOSED REQUEST IS KENT WITH THE DENSITY UNDER R-35
DESIGNATION AND COMPARABLE AND COMPATIBLE TO THE SURROUNDING
AREAS.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
10:02:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, MA'AM.
10:02:06PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
THANK YOU, AGAIN, COUNCIL.
LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS PD REZONING BEFORE US TODAY WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT USE OF
THE RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY ALONG WITH THE EXISTING USE OF
THE PLACE OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY ON-SITE.
THIS REQUEST WILL ALLOW THE ADDITION AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF
A RESIDENTIAL TOWER CONTAIN 4 2 UNITS.
THE EXISTING PLACE OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY ON-SITE CONTAINS
18,014 SQUARE FEET.
THE LOT AREA CONTAINS 93,463 -- 93,463 OR A LITTLE OVER TWO
ACRES.
BUILDING HEIGHT IS 317 FEET.
THE SETBACKS ARE TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH 20 FEET TO THE WEST.
25 FEET.
AND IT TO THE EAST 10 FEET.
PARKING SPACES REQUIRED IS 179 SPACES AND 189 SPACES ARE
PROVIDED.
SO THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WALLS SUBMITTED BY THE
APPLICANT, WHICH IS ON RECORD.
ZOOM IN A LITTLE CLOSER.
SO THE EXISTING BUILDING -- THIS IS THE EXISTING TEMPLE
BUILDING THAT WAS REFERENCED.
THIS IS THE BUILDING THAT CONTAINS THE 18,014 SQUARE FEET.
THIS BUILDING WILL REMAIN THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT PROPOSED FOR
THIS IS 30 FEET.
WILL NOT EXCEED THE 30 FEET IN HEIGHT.
THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE NEW RESIDENTIAL MULTI FAMILY
TOWER ON THE SITE WHICH IS ON THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE
SITE.
ON THIS SITE PLAN, YOU WILL SEE THIS IS BARCELONA STREET.
THIS IS BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
THIS IS YSABELLA.
SO ACCESS TO THE SITE.
THERE ARE TWO POINTS OF VEHICULAR ACCESS AND THIS IS ON BARS
LOAN IS THAT STREET.
ONE POINT MUCH ACCESS WHERE YOU HAVE AN ENTRY ONLY INGRESS,
AND YOU CAN TRAVEL TO THE PARKING THAT IS LOCATED HERE TO
THE WEST.
THERE ARE TWO SURFACE PARKING SPACES HERE IN FRONT OF THE
TEMPLE.
THERE ARE ALSO TWO POINTS OF ACCESS THAT ARE LOCATED HERE
ALONG THE WEST.
THERE IS A VEHICULAR DRIVE, WHICH ALLOWS FOR DROP-OFF AND
ACCESS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL TENANTS LOCATED ON THAT DRIVE.
ELEVATIONS SUBMITTED WITH THIS REQUEST.
SO THIS IS YOUR EASTERN ELEVATION.
THIS IS THE NORTH ELEVATION THAT IS LOCATED HERE.
AND THEN ON THE BOTTOM, YOU HAVE YOUR WEST ELEVATION HERE.
AND THIS IS YOUR SOUTHERN ELEVATION THAT IS LOCATED HERE.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW THE AERIAL OF THE SITE SO THIS IS
THE SITE WHICH IS LOCATED HERE IN RED.
THIS IS BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
YOU CAN SEE DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THE SITE THE R-75 ZONING, AS
WELL AS TO THE NORTH RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY, BUT ALSO THE
RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY LOCATED NORTH AND NORTHWEST OF THE
SITE WITH THE RM-16 AND RM-57 DESIGNATION.
SOUTH OF BARCELONA.
YOU HAVE YOUR RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY ZONING ALONG WITH A
COUPLE OF RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY AND THEN THE PDs
ALLOWING FOR YOUR MULTIFAMILY USES ON THOSE PROPERTIES.
AND THEN I HAVE PHOTOS OF THE SITE.
THIS IS THE SITE ON BAYSHORE AND THE EAST SIDE OF THE SITE
LOCATED HERE.
LOOKING SOUTH ON BAYSHORE.
THIS IS A CLOSE-UP OF THE SITE ANOTHER VIEW OF THE EASTERN
BOUNDARY OF THE SITE.
A DIFFERENT VIEW.
THE EASTERN PORTION.
THIS IS THE SITE NORTHWEST AND IF YOU ARE LOOKING EAST ON
BAYSHORE.
THIS IS ETERNAL TO THE SITE.
THIS IS THE TEMPLE TO REMAIN.
THIS IS FROM BARCELONA.
IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT THE SITE FROM BARCELONA.
THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW.
THE SITE -- SOUTH OF THE SITE AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.
BARCELONA, WEST OF THE SITE ANOTHER VIEW WEST ASK WHICH IS
THE MULTIFAMILY.
THIS IS WEST OF THE SITE, SO THIS IS A VIEW IF YOU ARE
LOOKING NORTHEAST ON IS YSABELLA.
THIS IS THE SITE OFF TO THE RIGHT OF THE PICTURE.
THIS IS NORTH OF THE SITE.
THE GARDEN CLUB.
THIS IS EAST OF THE SITE.
THIS IS AT THE CORNER.
THIS IS THAT ONE RESIDENTIAL THAT IS LOCATED IN THAT POCKET.
THIS IS FURTHER NORTH OF THE SITE, RED BALL PARK.
SOUTHWEST OF THE SITE, SWINGING BACK, NORTHWEST CORNER
OF BARCELONA AND YSABELLA.
AND THIS IS A PICTURE THIS IS AT THE GARDEN CLUB AND THIS IS
SHOWING THE DEMO -- THE DAY CARE TO BE DEMOED.
THAT IS THE VIEW LOOKING SOUTHWEST.
ONE THING I WANTED TO MENTION AND PUT ON TO THE RECORD.
MISS WELLS GAVE AN INTRODUCTION OF THE BACKGROUND AND HOW WE
GOT HERE TODAY, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT INTO THE RECORD THE
MODIFICATIONS WHICH ARE MADE TO THE SITE PLAN FROM THE FIRST
SUBMIT TOOL THIS SUBMIT THAT WILL IS BEFORE YOU NOW.
JUST FOR THE RECORD TO STATE YOUR DIFFERENCES.
IN NEW SITE PLAN IS NOT ASKING FOR A BONUS.
THIS REQUEST ASKING FOR A REDUCTION OF THE NUMBER OF UNITS FROM
THE OFFICIAL OF 50 UNITS TO THE CURRENT REQUEST OF 42 UNITS.
REDUCTION IN THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING.
THE NEXT CHANGE IS THAT ALL NEW WAIVERS HAVE BEEN REMOVED.
THAT INITIAL REQUEST HAD FIVE WAIVERS THAT WERE REQUESTED.
AND NO NEW WAIVERS WITH THIS REQUEST.
ALL GRAND TREES ARE BEING RETAINED ON-SITE.
AND THEN ALSO, THEY ARE RETAINING MORE THAN 50% OF THE TREES
ON SITE THAT WILL BE RETAINED.
SO THOSE MODIFICATIONS MADE THAT DIFFERENCE AND THE FINDING
FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR TO HAVE THIS COME BACK BEFORE
COUNCIL.
THAT, THE DRC STAFF REVIEWED THIS REQUEST AND WE FIND IT
CONSISTENT.
SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS TO BE MADE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND
READING.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO JONATHAN SCOTT WITH
MOBILITY SO JONATHAN WITH TALK FOR A FEW MOMENTS ABOUT
TRANSPORTATION.
AND THEN STAFF IS AVAILABLE AFTER THAT TIME FOR ANY
QUESTIONS.
IS THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
10:09:04PM >>JONATHAN SCOTT:
JONATHAN SCOTT, TRANSPORTATION.
TRANSPORTATION FINDS THE PROJECT CONSISTENT.
THEY WERE NOT REQUIRED TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY.
THEY DID PROVIDE A TRAFFIC MEMO.
THERE IS A ACTUAL ACTUALLY A DECREASED IN TRAFFIC BASED ON
THE EXISTING USES.
THEY HAD, LIKE, A DAY CARE.
BASED ON ITE TRIP GENERATION.
THEY HAD AN EXISTING LOCAL STREET ACCESS WAIVER FOR THE
PLACE OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY FROM THE OLD PD FROM 2005.
THE MULTIFAMILY NEW USE DOESN'T REQUIRE A LOCAL STREET
ACCESS WAIVER.
AND ACCESS THAT IS ON BARCELONA, THERE IS ALREADY EXISTING
ACT STRESS THE PLACE OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY.
AND MULTIFAMILY IS USING YSABELLA FOR FURTHER ACCESS
AFTERNOON AND NEW WAIVERS ARE REQUIRED.
I -- NO NEW WAIVERS ARE REQUIRED.
10:10:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHO IS NEXT.
TAKE IT TO THE APPLICANT.
STATE YOUR NAME.
10:10:07PM >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
JAKE KRAMER, STEARNS, WEAVER, MILLER EAST JACKSON STREET.
I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION.
IF WE CAN PULL THAT UP WILL CHAIR, HOUSEKEEPING MATTERS
BEFORE MY TIME STARTS.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS TO INTRODUCE INTO THE RECORD IF I
MAY APPROACH.
10:10:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SURE.
10:10:26PM >> THESE ARE -- THESE ARE SUPPORT LETTERS THAT WE RECEIVED
AT OUR OFFICE DIRECTLY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS.
I DON'T BELIEVE THEY ARE IN THE RECORD YET, AS WELL AS
PROPOSED CONDITIONS.
TWO ADDITIONAL PROPOSED CONDITIONS THAT I WILL ADDRESS
DURING MY PRESENTATION THAT WE ARE PROPOSING BASED ON
COMMUNITY -- COMMUNITY DISCUSSIONS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF
DAYS.
OKAY.
MR. CHAIR, COUNCIL.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.
I REPRESENT THE RELATED GROUP, THE APPLICANT FOR THIS
REZONING, AS WELL AS THE NEXT HEARING WHICH IS A RELATED
DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER.
I WOULD LIKE TO START WITH BRINGING UP MR. NICK PEREZ OF THE
RELATED GROUP.
THANK YOU.
10:11:36PM >> THANKS.
GOOD EVENING, COUNCILMEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE
TIME THIS EVENING.
MY NAME IS NICK PEREZ, I AM PRESIDENT OF THE CONDOMINIUM
DIVISION OF RELATED GROUP.
SINCE MY FATHER STARTED THIS COMPANY IN 1979 IN MIAMI, WE
FORTUNATELY HAVE BEEN EXPANDING OUR REACH BUILDING
RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES ALL THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AND
EXPANDING ALL THROUGHOUT LATIN AMERICA.
TO INTO DAY, THROUGH ALL OF OUR TRAVELS, OUR FAMILY
CONSIDERS TAMPA TO BE OUR SECOND HOME.
YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH OUR SIGNATURE TAMPA DEVELOPMENTS
THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED OR ACTIVELY IN CONSTRUCTION.
AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS IN THE WEST RIVER DISTRICT.
RELATE IS DEVELOPING IT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE TAMPA
HOUSING AUTHORITY.
LITTLE MARKER LOOKS, RIVERWALK ON THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER AND
UPSCALE LIKE THE RITZ-CARLTON RESIDENCES ON BAYSHORE DOWN
THE STREET FROM THE SITE WE ARE DISCUSSING.
WE ARE TREMENDOUSLY PROUD OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS, OUR PRIDE
EXTENDS BEYOND ANY PHYSICAL STRUCTURES.
EQUALLY PROUD OF OUR DEDICATION OF DEVELOPING COMMUNITIES
AND ENRICHING LIVES.
10:12:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WAIT, SIR, BEFORE YOU CONTINUE ON.
JUST STOP HIS TIME.
IF ANYBODY WHO IS GOING TO SPEAK WILL PLEASE STAND UP, RISE
YOUR RIGHT HAND AND WE WILL SWEAR YOU IN.
I KNOW --
10:13:04PM >> I DON'T HAVE TO START OVER -- [SWEARING IN]
10:13:19PM >> I DO.
10:13:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
MR. SHELBY, DOES HE NEED TO BEGIN AGAIN?
10:13:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WELL -- YOU STOPPED THE CLOCK -- HE LOST A
FEW SECONDS THERE.
SIR, YOU AFFIRM THAT EVERYTHING YOU SAID UP TO THIS POINT IS
THE TRUTH, THAT'S CORRECT?
10:13:36PM >> YES, SIR.
10:13:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO NEED TO REPEAT YOURSELF.
10:13:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD.
I APOLOGIZE FOR THE INTERRUPTION.
10:13:41PM >> NO WORRIES.
THANK YOU FOR THE CATCH TOO.
SEE, MY FATHER STARTED HIS LIFE NOT TO SEND OUT TO BE A
DEVELOPER OR EVEN A BUSINESSMAN.
HE STARTED HIS CAREER AS AN URBAN PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF
MIAMI WITH THE PASSION OF IMPROVING CITIES AND THE LIVES OF
ITS RESIDENTS.
MY FAMILY INVESTED IN CITY OVER THE LONG HALL OF
ORGANIZATIONS SURROUNDING ARTS, CULTURE, HEALTH AND BILLION
BEING.
THE EDUCATION AND ENVIRONMENT AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
CONNECTING OUR PROJECTS TO PUBLIC SPACES, CELEBRATING
HISTORY IS SOMETHING FOR WHICH RELATED HAS BEEN PARTICULARLY
RECOGNIZED.
SPECIFICALLY, HERE IN THE TAMPA COMMUNITY WITH SOME OF OUR
DEVELOPMENTS.
WHETHER IT IS COMMISSIONING A LOCAL ARTIST TO CREATE A
MOSAIC MURAL AT MARY BETHUNE APARTMENTS OR BRINGING THE
RIVERWALK TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE RIVER AND RIVERWALK
APARTMENTS.
REPURPOSING IN THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY OF ST. PETE, THE
HISTORIC BANK BUILDING TO A THRIVING MIXED USE COMMUNITY.
OUR FAMILY BELIEVES STRONGLY IN PROMOTING AND ENHANCING
THESE COMMUNITIES, THEIR HISTORY, AND THEIR IT CULTURE.
THAT IS WHY WE WERE SO INTERESTED AND QUITE FRANKLY HONORED
WHEN SHALOM SYNAGOGUE APPROACHED US TO BUILD A RESIDENTIAL
COMMUNITY ON A PORTION OF THEIR PROPERTY.
BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT THIS PROPOSED CO-LOCATION CONCEPT
CAN SERVE AS A BLUEPRINT TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT SIMILAR
ICONIC LAND MARKS THAT MAY OTHERWISE BE PRICED OUT OF THEIR
LONG-TIME LOCATIONS.
BY SHARING THE CURRENT SITE AND BUILDING WITH OUR PROPOSED
RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY, THE RODEF SHALOM SYNAGOGUE MAY
MAINTAIN ITS CURRENT BAYSHORE BOULEVARD LOCATIONS FOR
GENERATIONS TO COME.
JUST LIKE MY FATHER FIRST SET OUT IN 1972, WE CONTINUE TO
APPRECIATE OPPORTUNITIES TO BUILD AND ENRICH COMMUNITIES AND
WE BELIEVE OUR PROJECT BEFORE YOU FOR CONSIDERATION THIS
EVENING IS SUCH AN OPPORTUNITY.
I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU APPROVE OUR REZONING REQUEST
THIS EVENING AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO FOR TAMPA.
10:15:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:15:56PM >> THANK YOU, NICK.
JAKE KRAMER, AGAIN, FOR THE RECORD.
COUNCIL, AS I WAS THINKING OF HOW TO PREPARE TONIGHT.
I THOUGHT BECAUSE OF THE PROPERTY WE ARE CONSIDERING, THAT A
QUOTE FROM KING SOLOMON, HE HAD IT RIGHT.
HE SAID THE WAY OF A FOOL IS RIGHT IN HIS OWN EYES, BUT A
WISE ONE LISTENS TO ADVICE.
THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE TONIGHT.
WE LISTENED BUT I AM NEW TO THE TEAM.
RELATED BROUGHT ME ON TO BRING A FRESH PERSPECTIVE.
WE HAVE THE REST OF THE TEAM AS WELL.
THEY BROUGHT ME ON TO FIGURE OUT WHAT CAN WE DO?
WHAT CAN WE DO THAT IS NEW TO THE TABLE?
10:16:30PM >> I REALIZE AT FIRST GLANCE, SOME THINGS WILL BE SIMILAR,
BUT WE DID A LOT OF WORK AND IT IS A NEW PROJECT.
COLLOCATION AND INFILL EXACTLY WHERE THE CITY NEEDS THIS,
NEAR TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS, NEAR PARKS, NEAR THE BAYSHORE
GREENWAY.
26-STORY BUILDING WITH 42 RESIDENCES.
BOTH USES ARE FULLY PARKED.
WE ARE MAKING OFF-SITE MOBILITY IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE WERE
NOT LAST TIME AND IMPROVEMENTS IN FRED BALL PARK AND FUTURE
HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS ON THE EXISTING SYNAGOGUE SITE TO KEEP
IT REMAINING AS A BUFFER BETWEEN THE TOWER AND BAYSHORE.
THE RODEPH CONGREGATION HAS BEEN HERE FOR 55 YEARS SINCE
1959.
I HAVE FOUND NEWSPAPER ARTICLES FOR ITS UNUSUALLY LARGE
WHITE MENORAH SCULPTURE, ONE OF A SMALL HANDFUL OF CULTURAL
RESOURCES THAT REMAIN ON BAYSHORE TODAY THAT HAVE A DIVERSE
ECLECTIC FEEL.
SO AS A COMMUNITY, I THINK WE HAVE A ONCE IN A GENERATION
OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE CONGREGATION TO PRESERVE THIS
RESOURCE.
THIS PROJECT REPRESENTS THAT OPPORTUNITY AND IN MANY WAY
THIS PROJECT IS BETTER THAN THE CODE REQUIRES BECAUSE OF ITS
LIMITED 42-UNIT SCALE.
FOR EXAMPLE, BAYSHORE REQUIRES 63-FOOT CENTER LINE SETBACK.
THE LINE IS TWICE THAT AND THE TOWER WE ARE PROPOSING IS
OVER FOUR TIMES THAT.
NOW LAST YEAR, THE COMMENT WAS MADE THAT THIS COUNCIL CANNOT
SPECULATE WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN TO THE SYNAGOGUE.
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT, BUT WHAT YOU CAN CONSIDER HOW
THIS PROPOSAL IS BETTER THAN WHAT THE CODE WOULD OTHERWISE
ALLOW THIS SITE.
WILL ALLOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT TO COME TO YOU WITH A REQUEST
TO BUILD 70 UNITS WITH MUCH LESSER SETBACKS.
WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE DAVID SMITH, OUR EXPERT LAND
PLANNER TALK ABOUT CONSISTENCY.
THANK YOU.
10:18:32PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILMEN, DAVID SMITH, DIRECTOR OF
DEVELOPMENT AROUND ZONING FOR STEARNS, WEAVER AND MILLER.
I HAVE BEEN PRACTICING IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IN TAMPA FOR
46 YEARS.
15 OF THOSE WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY WORKING WITH THEM IN
THEIR PLANNING DEPARTMENTS AND ALSO IN THEIR COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM.
WHAT JAKE HAS DESCRIBED TO YOU IS WHAT -- WHAT THE CONCEPT
IS NOW AND HOW THE SYNAGOGUE HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE.
WHAT I HAVE UP ON THE GRAPHIC IS A LITTLE HISTORY.
THE HISTORY BASICALLY SAYS BACK IN THE 60s, THERE WAS A
BAYSHORE STUDY DONE.
THE BAYSHORE STUDY SAID, GEE, WE ARE ACTUALLY DEVELOPING IN
VERY LOW DENSITY.
NOT MUCH REVENUE.
AND WE REALLY NEED NO CONSIDER HAVING MORE DENSE
DEVELOPMENT.
SO WHAT CAME OUT OF THAT IN 60 IN THAT STUDY WAS IN 1989,
THE ZONING WAS R-3HR WHICH IS MULTIFAMILY HIGH RISE.
AND THE QUOTED SECTION WAS FROM THE REGULATIONS OF THE TIME
WE ARE BASICALLY SURPRISINGLY SAID UNLIMITED HEIGHT.
THIS IS AN EVOLUTIONARY PROCESS AS THE CODES CHANGE OVER
TIME.
THINGS CHANGE OVER TIME.
WHAT HAPPENED WE HAVE TODAY IS A TIME OF CHANGE FOR THIS
PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
I WILL NOT GO INTO THE DETAILS THAT STAFF AND THE PLANNING
COMMISSION AND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION HAVE GONE INTO, BUT
WE HAVE PROVIDED A SUPPLEMENTAL PLANNING STUDY BY OUR FIRM
THAT SUPPORT AND COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT IT PROJECT IS
COMPATIBLE AND CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CATEGORY OF R-35 WAS INTENDED TO,
EVER SINCE THE ORIGINAL BAYSHORE PLAN, TO PROVIDE NEEDED
HOUSING IN THE BAYSHORE CORRIDOR WHICH IS THE JEWEL OF TAMPA
ALONG THE BAY.
AND WHAT WE HAVE TODAY IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO NOT LOOK AT WHAT
IS AROUND THE PROPERTY THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR 50 YEARS.
THE EVENT CENTER FOR TAMPA GARDEN CENTER.
THE OTHERS -- THE WOMEN CENTER THAT IS THERE.
THE FACT THAT THERE IS LOW DENSITY TOWN HOMES.
THESE ARE ACTUALLY JUST REALITIES OF OVERTIME WHAT PEEP OF
SUPREME BEEN ABLE TO FIT ON THEIR PROPERTY.
SIX TOWN HOMES HERE.
SEVEN TOWN HOMES HERE BECAUSE OF THE DEPTH OF THE
PROPERTIES.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, ONE OF THE SECTIONS TOWN HOMES IS
CREATED ON A PROPERTY THAT AUTOPSIED TO BE PART OF THE PD
FOR -- FOR THE TEMPLE.
SO AS WE -- AS WE LOOK AT WHAT THE CONTEXT IS, THIS PROPERTY
IS 35 UNITS PER ACRE WITH BONUS DENSITY.
WE ARE LOOKING AT 30 UNITS PER ACRE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING ENVIRONMENT, WE HAVE ARTURO
REFERENCED BY STAFF, BAYSHORE PRESBYTERIAN.
TWO MULTISTORY, MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS.
YOU HAVE THE PARK FURTHER TO THE NORTH.
SANCTUARY CLOSER TO THE PARK THAN WE ARE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE EVENT CENTER FOR TAMPA GARDEN CLUB.
AND YOU HAVE THE SYNAGOGUE.
WHAT I WAS SHOCKED TO FIND OUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE USES IN
THE AREA, THAT PRIVATE NONPROFITS BASICALLY OCCUPY AND DO
NOT PAY ANY TAXES TO THE CITY EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE CULTURAL
RESOURCES FOR PRESBYTERIAN TOWERS BECAUSE IT IS HOME FOR THE
AGED.
THE GARDEN CLUB BECAUSE PRIVATE-NONPROFIT.
THE WOMEN CENTER BECAUSE IT IS A CLUB.
AND THE SYNAGOGUE, BECAUSE IT IS NOT -- IT IS A RELIGIOUS
INSTITUTION.
LOOKING AT THIS AREA AND INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS, THIS PROJECT
PROVIDES A GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY FOR A HIGH-END PROJECT, A
QUALITY PROJECT.
IT IS LOCATED IN THE CONTEXT THAT IS SENSITIVE TO ITS
SURROUNDINGS AND THAT WERE SIGNIFICANTLY SEPTEMBER BACK FROM
THE EVENT CENTER AND THE OPEN SPACES OF -- OF THE GARDEN
CLUB.
AND WE ARE -- WE ARE NO CLOSER THAN ARTURO WAS TO THE TOWN
HOME PROPERTIES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO US AND ARE ADJACENT TO
THEM.
SO SIGNIFICANT TO LOOK AT THIS IS WHAT THE CONTEXT REALLY
IS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT BAYSHORE, IT IS AN AMALGAMATION OF
EVOLUTION OF DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAVE OLD TOWERS.
WE HAVE NEW TOWERS.
WE HAVE MID-RISE.
WE HAVE LOW-RISE.
WE HAVE TOWN HOMES.
ALL ARE FABRIC OF AN URBAN COMMUNITY.
AND PLANNING COMMISSION COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE UNDERDEVELOPMENT OF THE PARCELS, WE
NEED TO MEET THE HOUSING NEEDS OF THE PUBLIC AND THE PEOPLE
WHO ARE MOVING HERE.
IF WE KEEP ON DEVELOPING AT LOW DENSITY AND NOT TAKE
OPPORTUNITIES TO GET HIGHER DENSITY, WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE
ABLE TO SUPPORT THE GROWTH COMING TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO LOOKING AROUND THIS PROJECT, LOOKING UP AND DOWN
BAYSHORE.
PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT MORE HIGH-RISES.
WE THINK IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND YOU LOOK
AT THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT, THEY ARE VERY FEW OPPORTUNITIES
LEFT WITHIN THE CURRENT LAND USE CATEGORIES FOR THESE -- I
WOULD CALL THEM SIGNATURE PROJECTS TO OCCUR.
THANK YOU.
10:24:04PM >> THANK YOU, DAVID.
ONE OF THE LAST -- ONE OF THE CONCERNS FROM LAST YEAR WAS
WHETHER WE HAVE DONE ENOUGH COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
WE HIRED A COMMUNITY RELATIONS PROFESSIONAL WHO LIVES AND
WORKS IN THIS AREA VERY CLOSE TO THIS SITE.
SHE WORKED WITH US TO HAVE TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
THE FIRST COMMUNITY MEETING WAS ACTUALLY WHAT RESULTED IN US
PROPOSING THE FRED BALL PARK DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
WE HELD A SECOND COMMUNITY MEETING TO TALK ABOUT THAT
SPECIFIC AGREEMENT.
A LOT OF WORDS ON THIS SLIDE, BUT THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE
CHANGES WE HAVE MADE.
ULTIMATELY, ALL OF THESE CHANGES ARE WHAT RESULTED, I THINK,
IN GETTING STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL THIS TIME ON THE
PROJECT.
TO ME, THE BIGGEST ONES, I THINK EVERY SINGLE ONE YOU LAST
TIME, LAST YEAR, I THINK ALL OF YOU MENTIONED WAIVERS WERE A
BIG CONCERN.
THEY ARE GONE.
ALL THE NEW WAIVERS ARE GONE.
AND ONE OF THE OLD WAIVERS ABOUT PARKING IS GONE.
SO BOTH OF THESE BUILDINGS ARE FULLY PARKED.
THE ONLY REMAINING WAIVER IS FOR ACCESS TO THE SYNAGOGUE.
THAT WAIVER RUNS WITH THE LAND AND I BELIEVE IT IS ALSO
PROTECTED UNDER FEDERAL LAW THAT PROTECTS RELIGIOUS JULES
INSTITUTION.
THAT IS ALSO UNHEARD OF FOR NEW TOWERS IN -- IN BAYSHORE.
ARTURO HAD TWO WAIVERS.
SANCTUARY HAD TWO.
STOVAL HAD SEVEN.
WE MADE CHANGES.
I WILL NOT GO THROUGH EVERY ONE OF THESE AND WE CAN GO BACK
TO ANY ONE OF THEM IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
WE ARE SAVING OFF THE GRAND TREES.
WE ADDED A GREEN WALL.
AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR PROPOSED BUILDING IS ADJACENT TO OUR
NEIGHBORING EVENT CENTER DIRT SURFACE PARKING LOT.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR INTENTIONS ARE LONG TERM AND WANTED
TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND PROVIDING A GREEN WALL.
AS YOU CAN SEE BETWEEN THE EVENT CENTER AND OUR BUILDING IS
THE SYNAGOGUE.
THE SYNAGOGUE IS ALSO THE BUFFER.
WE ARE PROPOSING OFF-SITE MOBILITY AND TO RESURFACE TO
STREETS.
AND A MID-BLOCK CROSSING, AS WELL AS A SIDEWALK ACROSS THE
STREET THAT WE WOULD NOT OTHERWISE BE REQUIRED TO DO BECAUSE
WE HEARD FROM THE BAYSHORE PRESBYTERIAN.
THE APARTMENTS THAT THEY HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT MOBILITY.
THAT ULTIMATELY RESULTED -- I REALIZE WE HAVE ANOTHER
HEARING, BUT I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT WHY WE
PROPOSED THE FRED BALL PARK IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK
AT THE TOP LEFT ON RUBIDEAUX, THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS BECAUSE
IT IS BECAUSE OF THE BEAUTIFUL TREE CANOPY.
WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING -- WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE NEXT
HEARING IS IN THE FIRST TIME CONNECTING SAFELY PEDESTRIANS
TO GET FROM BAYSHORE ALL THE WAY TO YSABELLA.
YOU CAN'T DO THAT TODAY.
WE ARE GOING TO REPLACE THE EXISTING PATH AND ADD TO THAT.
WITH THAT, OUR WHOLE TIME IS HEAR IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
OTHERWISE, WE WILL BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THE PUBLIC ON
REBUTTAL.
THANK YOU.
10:27:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCILMEMBERS?
YES, SIR?
DO WE NOW HEAR FROM -- IS IT PRESSMAN ON THE OTHER SIDE?
10:27:25PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO, ACTUALLY -- SIR --
10:27:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:27:32PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OFF SPEAKER WAIVER FORM OR SPEAKING FOR
THREE MINUTES.
10:27:35PM >> THREE MINUTES.
10:27:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM.
IT MIGHT BE IN THE SITE PLAN, BUT I DON'T SEE IT RIGHT NOW
IN MY STAFF REPORT.
WHAT IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE RESIDENTIAL SPACE?
LIKE, WHAT SQUARE FOOT PER UNIT OR SQUARE FOOT FOR ALL THE
ACTUAL UNITS?
10:28:05PM >> ARE YOU ASKING FOR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF INDIVIDUAL UNITS
OR THE ENTIRE TOWER?
10:28:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE ENTIRE TOWER OR LIKE AN AVERAGE PER UNIT.
I MEAN THEY ALL LOOK LIKE THEY MIGHT BE THE SAME.
IF THEY ARE, THEN JUST PER UNIT.

10:28:21PM >> SO THE OVERALL AMENITY SPACE AND TOWER IS 275,000 SQUARE
FEET.
THE UNITS ARE 4500 TO 5,000 SQUARE FEET, ASSUMING THAT THEY
ARE BUILT OUT AT TWO PER FLOOR.
10:28:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
10:28:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR, COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
10:28:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I SEE ON THE SITE PLAN THE SETBACK FOR THE
TOWER ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WHICH IS A GENEROUS 38 FEET.
I DON'T SEE THAT SETBACK -- IS IT 61?
IS THAT WHAT I'M SEEING FROM THE PROPERTY LINE?
WHAT IS THE CLOSEST THAT TOWER GETS TO THE NORTHERN PROPERTY
LINE?
10:29:04PM >> DAVID SMITH.
IT IS ON THE SITE PLAN.
IT'S 61.3 FEET.
SO YOU HAVE 20 FEET TO THE FACE OF THE PARKING GARAGE AND
THEN THE TOWER IS SET BACK.
YES, SIR.
10:29:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY ELSE?
YES, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:29:22PM >> LLOYD STERN, 18039 U.S. HIGHWAY 41 IN LUTZ.
HONORABLE MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL, I STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY
AS THE PRESIDENT OF CONGREGATION RODEPH SHOLOM.
MY FAITH AND MY COMMUNITY MEAN EVERYTHING TO ME AND TO THE

HUNDREDS OF OTHER CONGREGANTS AT THE SYNAGOGUE.
I EXTEND MY HEARTFELT THANKS FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION.
OUR CONGREGATION, CONGREGATION RODEPH SHOLOM, HOLDS A UNIQUE
AND CHERISHED PLACE IN THE TAMPA COMMUNITY.
FOR OVER A CENTURY, WE HAVE BEEN A STEADFAST FIXTURE IN THE
HEART OF THIS VIBRANT CITY.
THIS PAST WEEKEND, WE CELEBRATED A SIGNIFICANT MILESTONE,
120 YEARS OF SERVICE TO BOTH THE JEWISH COMMUNITY AND THE
BROADER TAMPA BAY COMMUNITY.
DURING THIS REMARKABLE JOURNEY, OUR CONGREGATION HAS BEEN
MORE THAN JUST A PLACE OF WORSHIP.
IT HAS BEEN A SANCTUARY, A SAFE HAVEN FOR JEWS TO GATHER AND
CONNECT.
MOREOVER, IT HAS BEEN A BEACON OF GENEROSITY AND GOODWILL.
WE HAVE OPENED OUR DOORS TO FIRST RESPONDERS AND OUR
MILITARY, PROVIDING THEM WITH SPACE TO MEET AND UTILIZE AS
NEEDED.
WE HAVE TIRELESSLY SUPPORTED LOCAL FOOD BANKS AND CHARITABLE
ORGANIZATIONS, GIVING OUR TIME, ENERGY, AND RESOURCES TO
UPLIFT THOSE IN NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AS TRULY -- HAS TRULY HURT ME THAT PEOPLE WE CONSIDER TO BE
OUR NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS HAVE ENGAGED IN ANTI-SEMITIC
BEHAVIOR IN THE PAST FEW MONTHS.
OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR NEIGHBORS HAS BEEN NOTHING SHORT
OF HARMONIOUS, A RELATIONSHIP WE HAVE CHERISHED UNTIL

RECENTLY.
THE PROPOSED TOWER WHICH HAS STIRRED CONCERNS AMONG OUR
NEIGHBORS IS INTENDED TO BE SITUATED NEXT TO THEIR PAVED
PARKING LOT, NOT NEXT TO THEIR BEAUTIFUL GARDENS.
I WANT TO REASSURE YOU THAT CONGREGATION RODEPH SHOLOM HAS
DILIGENTLY WORKED ALONGSIDE OUR NEIGHBORS AND RELATED GROUP
TO ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS, STRIVING TO ELIMINATE ALL
VARIANCES.
BEYOND THESE PRACTICAL CONSIDERATIONS, THERE'S A SYMBOL OF
IMMENSE SUPPORT WE WISH TO HIGHLIGHT.
WHEN PEOPLE PASS BY BAYSHORE BOULEVARD AND SEE THE MENORAH,
IT SENDS A POWERFUL MESSAGE TO EVERYONE.
IT SYMBOLIZES THAT TAMPA IS A CITY THAT WELCOMES ALL,
REGARDLESS OF THEIR BELIEFS AND BACKGROUND.
WE PROUDLY EMBRACE DIVERSITY, JEWISH, BLACK, WHITE, LGBTQ
AND ANYONE WHO CHOOSES TO VISIT OR MAKE TAMPA BAY THEIR
HOME.
TAMPA HAS TRANSFORMED SIGNIFICANTLY SINCE MY DAYS AS A HIGH
SCHOOLER AT CHAMBERLAIN HIGH SCHOOL.
CHANGE CAN BE DAUNTING, BUT IT'S ESSENTIAL FOR GROWTH.
I COMMEND OUR CITY'S LEADERSHIP FOR MAKING THE TOUGH
DECISIONS NEEDED TO PAVE THE WAY FOR PROGRESS AS WE CONTINUE
TO EVOLVE, LEST REMEMBER OUR COLLECTIVE FUTURE HINGES ON
EMBRACING CHANGE.
I EARNESTLY IMPLORE YOU TO CAST YOUR VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS

VITAL PROJECT.
IT PROMISES TO BRING HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES, MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS IN REVENUE AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY, SECURES THE FUTURE
OF THE INSTITUTION THAT HAS BEEN AN INTEGRAL PART OF TAMPA'S
IDENTITY FOR 120 YEARS.
10:32:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
YES, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:32:42PM >> I AM SAME CARELLO, 101 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, SUITE
2800.
BOARD CERTIFIED REAL ESTATE LAWYER AND I REPRESENT THE
CONGREGATION RODEPH SHOLOM IN CONNECTION WITH THE SUBJECT
PROPERTY, IN CONNECTION WITH THE REAL ESTATE NEGOTIATIONS
THEY'VE HAD OVER THE YEARS CONCERNING THE PROSPECTIVE SALE
OF THEIR PROPERTY.
THE CONGREGATION'S INTEREST IS NOT JUST OUT OF A PROPERTY
OWNER SELLING ITS PROPERTY TO A DEVELOPER.
THE CONGREGATION IN THIS INSTANCE ALSO WILL BE THE CLOSEST
NEIGHBORING OWNER TO THE PROPOSED NEW RESIDENTIAL PROJECT.
SO THE CONGREGATION HAS CERTAINLY A DESIRE TO ENSURE A
SENSIBLE DEVELOPMENT.
SINCE ITS ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION, THE CONGREGATION HAS BEEN A
RESPECTED PART OF THIS TAMPA COMMUNITY AND IN GENERATIONS OF
FAMILY HAVE EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT LIFE EVENTS ON THIS
PROPERTY.

THE CONGREGATION HAS MADE CAREFUL AND DELIBERATE PLANNING
AND BUDGETING DECISIONS OVER THE YEARS AND THE LONG
ESTABLISHED LAND USE CATEGORIES AND DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS AND
THE ASSOCIATED LAND VALUES THAT GO WITH THAT HAVE FACTORED
SIGNIFICANTLY INTO THE CONGREGATION'S DECISIONS.
DURING MY REPRESENTATION OF THE CONGREGATION, IT HAS
RECEIVED AND RESISTED SEVERAL SUBSTANTIALLY LARGER OFFERS
FROM DEVELOPERS WHOSE ONLY INTEREST WAS REDEVELOPING THE
ENTIRE SITE INTO A MUCH LARGER PROJECT BY RIGHT FOR A MUCH
LARGER DEVELOPMENT.
THEY RESISTED THOSE OFFERS BECAUSE THE CONGREGATION PREFERS
TO RETAIN THE CURRENT SYNAGOGUE LOCATION THEY HOLD DEARLY.
THE CONGREGATION HAS CAREFULLY AND DELIBERATELY NEGOTIATED A
DEAL THAT PRESERVES THEIR EXISTING FACILITY WHILE ALLOWING A
DEVELOPER TO DEVELOP A SMALLER RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT
IS CONSISTENT WITH THE UNDERLYING LAND USE STANDARDS FOR THE
SITE.
THIS HAS BEEN CONFIRMED BY THE CITY STAFF REPORT IN ITS
RECOMMENDATION.
AS PART OF THEIR CAREFULLY NEGOTIATED DEAL, THE CONGREGATION
ALSO STANDS TO ACHIEVE NEEDED FUNDS AND SIGNIFICANT
ENHANCEMENTS THAT WILL IMPROVE THE SYNAGOGUE'S OPERATIONS
FOR YEARS TO COME.
IMPROVEMENTS SUCH AS INCREASED PARKING, COVERED AND LIGHTED
PARKING, COVERED WALKWAYS AND BOUNDARY SECURITY ASSOCIATED

WITH THE COMBINED SITE.
I DON'T DOUBT THAT THOSE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS APPLICATION
HAVE HEARTFELT CONCERNS ABOUT OVERCROWDING IN THE BEAUTIFUL
CITY OF TAMPA.
BUT RESPECTFULLY, THAT IS NOT A BASIS FOR DENYING THIS
COMPLIANT APPLICATION AS THAT WOULD UNREASONABLY DENY THE
CONGREGATION THE VALUE AND BENEFITS OF ITS PROTECTED
PROPERTY RIGHTS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
10:35:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:35:37PM >> FINAL SPEAKER.
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS JIM SHIMBERG.
I'M A PARTNER WITH THE SHUBIN LAW GROUP AT 615 CHANNELSIDE
DRIVE.
MY PARTNER, JOHN SHUBIN, AND I HAVE RECENTLY BEEN ADDED TO
THE LEGAL TEAM ON BEHALF OF THE CONGREGATION.
THANK YOU FOR HEARING US OUT TONIGHT.
FEW QUICK POINTS.
AS YOU'VE HEARD AND PROBABLY KNOW, THESE ARE TOUGH FINANCIAL
TIMES FOR MANY RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS AND THE CONGREGATION
IS TRYING TO RETAIN A PRESENCE AT THIS VERY VISIBLE LOCATION
AND OBVIOUSLY WOULD BENEFIT GREATLY FROM THE FINANCIAL

ASSISTANCE OF THIS TRANSACTION.
THEY HAVE PROPERTY RIGHTS THAT MUST BE RESPECTED HERE.
OVER THE YEARS, THEY HAVE BEEN A GOOD NEIGHBOR EVER SINCE
THIS WAS BUILT IN THE LATE 1960s.
THE CITY HAS MADE CLEAR IN ALL OF ITS PLANNING AND
REGULATORY DOCUMENTS THAT THIS AREA OF BAYSHORE IS
APPROPRIATE FOR HIGH-RISE RESIDENTIAL.
EVERYONE KNEW THIS.
THE BAYSHORE PRESBYTERIAN HIGH-RISE APARTMENTS ALSO BUILT IN
1969 ALONG WITH THE GARDEN CLUB BUILDING.
OVER THE DECADES, CITY COUNCIL HAS APPROVED ONE PROJECT
AFTER ANOTHER UP AND DOWN BAYSHORE AND I BELIEVE ABOUT FIVE
PROJECTS HAVE BEEN APPROVED SINCE 2020 IN THE GENERAL AREA
SURROUNDING THE CONGREGATION.
ALL OF THIS SHOWS THAT THE CONGREGATION HAS DISTINCT
INVESTMENT BACKED EXPECTATIONS IN BEING ABLE TO USE ITS
PROPERTY RESIDENTIALLY.
IT ALSO SHOWS THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN THE CATALYST IN
CHANGING THE NEIGHBOR AND IT WOULD BE ARBITRARY AND
UNREASONABLE NOT TO GIVE THE CONGREGATION THE SAME
TREATMENT.
NOW THAT RELATED HAS PRESENTED A PROJECT THAT HAS STAFF
SUPPORT AND NO WAIVERS WE BELIEVE IS A MATTER OF PROTECTING
THE CONGREGATION'S FUNDAMENTAL PROPERTY RIGHTS THIS PROJECT
SHOULD BE APPROVED.

ONE LAST POINT, WHEN I BECAME CITY ATTORNEY IN 2011, I
INHERITED A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CITY THAT HAD BEEN PENDING
FOR SEVERAL YEARS RELATED TO THE DENIAL OF A RESIDENTIAL
TOWER ON BAYSHORE A FEW BLOCKS FROM HERE.
AS YOU MAY KNOW, THE CASE WAS ULTIMATELY SETTLED BY THE CITY
FOR A LOT OF MONEY.
I URGE YOU TO THINK CAREFULLY BEFORE MAKING YOUR FINAL VOTE
IN THIS CASE.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
THERE WAS A LOT OF PUBLIC OPPOSITION IN THE CASE AND THE
CITY DENIAL OF THE PROJECT WAS BASED MORE ON EMOTION THAN ON
THE LEGAL STANDING OF THE CASE.
UNFORTUNATELY IN THAT CASE, THE CITY HAD TO PAY OUT MILLIONS
OF DOLLARS.
THE PROJECT GOT APPROVED AND THERE'S NOW A TOWER THERE.
I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THAT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
10:37:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:37:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF I MAY, THE COUNSELOR WHO SPOKE, YOU
ARE A VERY FINE GENTLEMAN.
I WAS HERE WHEN THAT HAPPENED.
IT WASN'T BECAUSE OF THE ZONING.
IT WAS BECAUSE SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS WANTED TO TELL THE
DEVELOPER HOW TO BUILD THE BUILDING.
AM I CORRECT?

10:38:14PM >> ALL I KNOW IS HOW MUCH WE PAID OUT.
10:38:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES OR NO?
10:38:17PM >> THERE WERE SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS --
10:38:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THAT'S WHY WE GOT SUED.
NOT BECAUSE OF THE ZONING.
THEY WANTED TO IMPLEMENT CERTAIN CHANGES IN THE BUILDING
THAT THEY HAD NO REASON TO DO THAT.
IT WAS ABOUT THE AIR-CONDITIONERS ON TOP OF THE ROOF, PART
OF IT.
AND SOME OF IT WAS THE AESTHETIC OF THE OUTSIDE OF THE
BUILDING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:38:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, SIR, MR. PRESSMAN, I BELIEVE YOU'RE UP.
AND THEN WE HAVE CHARLES AND THEN JANE.
10:38:52PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHERE IS YOUR SPEAKER WAIVER FORM?
THANK YOU, SIR.
MR. PRESSMAN HAS SEVEN NAMES.
IF YOU ARE HERE, PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR PRESENCE.
BETTY GRIFFIN.
THANK YOU.
ZOEY DIAZ.
10:39:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SHE'S THERE IN THE BACK.
10:39:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SOME PEOPLE HAVE LEFT.

10:39:24PM >> RIGHT HERE.
10:39:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT'S OKAY.
YOU CAN EITHER RAISE YOUR HAND OR SAY ME OR SOMETHING TO
CATCH MY EYE.
TERRY WEBSTER.
TERRY WEBSTER.
WE'LL PASS TERRY WEBSTER.
DIANE RIVERA.
D-I-A-N-N-E IT LOOKS LIKE.
THANK YOU.
A LOT OF PEOPLE BETWEEN YOU AND THERE.
BRENDA JOHNSON.
THANK YOU.
JOANNE WEDGE.
THANK YOU.
ROBERT WECK.
THANK YOU.
NOW WE HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL NAME THAT I COULD SEE IS TERRY
WEBSTER, JOANNE WEDGE, ROBERT WECK.
I BELIEVE THE NAMES ARE IDENTICAL.
I DON'T SEE ANY ADDITIONAL NAMES ON HERE.
I BELIEVE IT'S ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, AND THREE
IS NINE, SIR.
I'LL CALL OUT THE NAME ONE MORE TIME.
THE NAME THAT DIDN'T RESPOND WAS TERRY WEBSTER.

10:40:33PM >> SHE IS NOT HERE.
10:40:43PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NINE MINUTES.
10:40:44PM >> MR. TODD PRESSMAN, ST. PETERSBURG.
I AM PROUDLY REPRESENTING THE TAMPA GARDEN FEDERATION.
THIS IS A PD CHANGE.
LET'S BE VERY CLEAR, THIS IS A PD CHANGE FROM RESIDENTIAL
ASSEMBLY PRESCHOOL, A RADICAL CHANGE TO MULTIFAMILY WHICH
WAS 317 FEET BUT NOW IS 349 FEET.
THAT'S CHANGED SINCE THE PowerPoint HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO
YOU.
THIS IS OUR SLIDE FROM MAY OF LAST YEAR.
THE ISSUE IS ABOUT COMPATIBILITY BETWEEN USES.
THIS IS THE SAME SLIDE.
NOTHING HAS CHANGED FOR US AND THE RESIDENTS I REPRESENT AND
I AM REPRESENTING OTHER RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY.
THE OPINION IS THAT THESE TWO USES ARE LIKE OIL AND WATER.
EXACT SAME ISSUE TODAY FOR US WHICH HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED
BY YOUR STAFF IN ANY ANALYSIS IS AN INCOMPATIBILITY OF USES.
THIS LONGTIME SUCCESSFUL ICONIC 55-YEAR-OLD BUSINESS WILL BE
DISMANTLED AND DESTROYED IN THREE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT I WILL
SHOW YOU.
LET ME FIRST SET THE SCENE BECAUSE THAT IS MOST IMPORTANT.
THE HEART IS THE OUTDOOR WEDDING GARDEN.
IDYLLIC, PRIVATE, A NICE INTERIOR COMPONENT.
GORGEOUS.

HERE IS MY LAST SPEAKER, MR. ATTORNEY.
THANK YOU.
10:42:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NAME PLEASE.
10:42:07PM >> GAY JONES.
10:42:09PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
GAY JONES IS NOT ON THE LIST.
ARE YOU WAIVING YOUR TIME?
10:42:14PM >> THANK YOU, MR. ATTORNEY.
10:42:16PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ADDITIONAL MINUTE.
10:42:18PM >> SPECTACULAR WEDDING GARDEN.
HOW DO THEY PRESENT THEMSELVES ON THE WEB?
SPECTACULAR VENUE.
YOUR EVENT WILL BE PRIVATE AND EXCLUSIVE.
LOOKS OVER SPECTACULAR WEDDING GARDEN.
THAT IS THEIR BUSINESS.
THIS IS THEIR WEBSITE AND HOW THEY PRESENT THEMSELVES.
A LOT OF CORPORATE EVENTS, KIDS IN THE GARDEN DURING THE
SUMMER AND OTHER EVENTS.
WHAT IS PROPOSED NOW.
WHAT IS DIFFERENT?
WELL, PRIOR, AS I HANDED IN THE PowerPoint, IT WAS 329
FEET OR IT WAS 329 FEET BACK IN MAY.
TODAY IT'S 349 FEET AS WE UNDERSTAND.
SO THERE'S VIRTUALLY THE SAME SIZE OR HEIGHT, SAME HEIGHT
BUILDING.
THAT IS EQUIVALENT TO THE CHANNELSIDE TOWERS AND THE TAMPA

MARRIOTT DOWNTOWN.
THOSE ARE MASSIVE BUILDINGS.
THAT IS WHAT IS PROPOSED HERE.
AT A 20-FOOT SETBACK TO THE GARDEN CLUB.
WHAT IS YOUR METRIC ON THAT?
YOUR METRIC IS A 1200% CHANGE UNDER THE PD.
YOU HEAR THEIR FOLKS TALK ABOUT LAND USE CATEGORY, LAND USE
CATEGORY, LAND USE CATEGORY.
THEY WISH AND HOPE THEY ONLY HAD THE LAND USE CATEGORY
BECAUSE THEY ARE UNDER A PD.
THE PD RESTRICTS THEM.
THAT IS THEIR LAND USE REGULATION.
THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL.
IT WILL GO TO HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, AGAIN, UNDER THE PD.
THIS IS THE CURRENT ONE OR TWO STORY STRUCTURES CURRENTLY AS
COMPARED TO THE STRUCTURE I SHOWED YOU.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THEIR NARRATIVE THAT THEY HAVE SUBMITTED,
THEY INDICATE THEY WANT TO ADD 42 LUXURY UNITS TO FUND
NEEDED REPAIRS.
I DON'T SEE THAT IN YOUR POLICIES OR UNDER YOUR COMP PLAN
POLICIES.
THEY ALSO INDICATE IN THAT SUBMITTAL THAT THE AREA IS
PLANNED FOR SIGNIFICANTLY MORE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THAT IS NOT CORRECT IN OUR OPINION BECAUSE THEY ARE UNDER A
PD.

AGAIN, LAND USE CATEGORY, LAND USE CATEGORY, LAND USE
CATEGORY.
AND WHEN THEY SHOW THAT HUGE RED AREA ON THE ENTIRE
PROPERTY, YOU HAVE TO COME IN AND CHANGE THE PD.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IS A MISDIRECTION TO PRESENT TO YOU IN
OUR OPINION BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE PD.
I THINK THE COMMENT WAS ANYONE CAN COME AND ASK FOR THAT.
WELL, THAT CAN HAPPEN WITH ANY PROJECT.
AGAIN NOT BY THE REGULATING PD IN PLACE.
THE WAIVERS THAT HAVE BEEN FIXED FROM THE LAST TIME IS NOT
AN ADVANCEMENT OR AN ENTICEMENT OF AN ISSUE.
THOSE ARE ISSUES THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN FIXED LAST TIME WHEN
THEY BROUGHT THIS BEFORE YOU.
HERE IS THE DIFFERENCE OF AMENITY PLANS.
YOU SEE THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE FROM MAY UNTIL NOW.
VIRTUALLY THE SAME.
THE ORIENTATION IS EXACTLY THE SAME.
DIRECTLY TO THE GARDEN CENTER.
100% IN DIRECT TO THE GARDEN CENTER.
SITE PLAN LOOKS VIRTUALLY THE SAME.
SO WHAT ARE THE IMPACTS, VERY UNIQUE IMPORTANT IMPACTS?
GENERATIONS OF TAMPA'S REGIONAL FAMILIES AND BRIDES CHOOSE
THE ICONIC SITE FOR 55 YEARS.
THEY ARE BOOKED AND HAVE DEPOSITS.
FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY, TO 2025.

BRIDES BOOK 18 MONTHS IN ADVANCE.
WHAT DO WE HAVE?
THE GARDEN CLUB, SUMMER KITCHEN, POOL.
I LIVE IN A BIG -- THE SUMMER KITCHEN IS A PARTY AREA.
WE HAD A HUNDRED PEOPLE TODAY IN OUR BUILDING FOR A BIRTHDAY
PARTY.
GRILLS, KITCHEN.
IT'S VERY LOUD, DRINKING AND THAT'S FINE, BUT IT IS A LOUD
AREA.
A POOL, WELL, YOU GET KIDS OUTSIDE AND THERE ARE A LOT OF
KIDS IN THE BUILDING AND THEY ARE USING THEIR OUTSIDE VOICES
AND YELLING AND SCREAMING.
WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO WHEN THEY HAVE A WEDDING AND
THERE ARE KIDS SCREAMING OR A HUGE PARTY NEXT DOOR?
THAT IS A TERRIBLE IMPACT OF 42 STORIES, LOOMING, PRYING,
AND PEERING INTO THE HEART OF THIS WEDDING GARDEN.
THAT IS THEIR BUSINESS.
THEY WOULD LOSE THAT SERENITY, THE PRIVACY, THE EXCLUSIVITY
THAT THEY SELL BECAUSE AS WELL THE ENTIRE BALCONY IS A VIEW
ON THAT GARDEN.
DOGS BARKING ON BALCONIES, THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.
KIDS IN THE POOL.
THAT IS A LOSS OF PRIVACY AND WEDDING GAWKERS.
WHEN PARTICULARLY WOMEN SEE A WOMAN IN A WEDDING DRESS AT A
PARTY, THEY WANT TO LOOK AT THE PARTY, SEE HOW THEY LOOK,

HOW BIG THE PARTY IS.
THOSE ARE ELEMENTS OF IMPACT AND CUSTOMERS AND POTENTIAL
CUSTOMERS CAN MOVE RIGHT ON TO THE COMPETITION.
THIS IS ALREADY OCCURRING WHEN YOU START GETTING HEADLINES
LIKE THIS IN THE NEWSPAPER, WHAT HAPPENS?
BRIDES START CALLING.
HEADLINE AFTER HEADLINE AFTER HEADLINE AFTER STORY AFTER
STORY.
BRIDES ARE CALLING.
I GAVE YOU A DEPOSIT.
WHY ARE YOU CLOSING?
WHY ARE YOU LEAVING?
AM I GETTING MY MONEY BACK.
WHAT'S GOING ON WITH YOUR PROPERTY?
THEY ARE ALREADY BEING TERRIBLY AFFECTED BY JUST THE PR.
YOU ARE ALL IN THE PR BUSINESS.
YOU KNOW WHAT HEADLINE AFTER HEADLINE DOES.
NEXT WOULD BE DISCLOSURE OF LOSS OF PRIVACY IN THE GARDEN.
IF THIS IS APPROVED, THEY HAVE TO CALL EVERY BRIDE UP TO
2025 AND TELL THEM WHAT IS HAPPENING.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE BRIDE IS GOING TO DO, WAIT TO SEE IF
THEY ARE OPEN OR A HUGE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
THIRD, THE BUSINESS WILL BE DESTROYED WITH TWO-TO-THREE-YEAR
DEMOLITION AND CONSTRUCTION PROJECT OF A UNIT TOWER.
AGAIN, BOOKED 18 MONTHS IN ADVANCE.

IS IT GOING TO LOOK LIKE THIS NEXT DOOR?
MAYBE SOUND SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
[JACKHAMMER]
DO YOU TAKE THIS LAWFULLY -- MAN TO BE YOUR HUSBAND.
OR MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
DO YOU TAKE THIS WOMAN TO BE -- CAN YOU HEAR ME?
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
BECAUSE, QUITE FRANKLY, AGAIN, YOUR EVENT WILL BE PRIVATE
AND EXCLUSIVE IN THE SPECTACULAR WEDDING GARDEN.
THOSE DON'T GO TOGETHER, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
HERE IS THE TEST.
HERE IS THE TEST.
THEY ARE STILL WORKING.
I CAN'T GET THEM TO STOP WORKING.
IF THE GARDEN CLUB WERE A SCHOOL, AUTO REPAIR, OFFICE, OR A
MOVIE THEATER, WHATEVER, THIS WOULD BE PERFECTLY FINE.
BUT BECAUSE OF THE 55-YEAR-OLD ICONIC USE NEXT DOOR, IT
DOESN'T WORK.
THE TEMPLE FOLKS WITH GREAT RESPECT TALKED ABOUT THEIR RICH
HISTORY OF 55 YEARS AND THEY DO HAVE THAT BUT SO DOES THE
GARDEN CLUB AND THESE ARE THE ELEMENTS THAT WILL BE
DESTROYED.
LONGTIME SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS, LOSS OF PRIVACY, SERENITY,
QUIET, NATURAL, IDYLLIC, EVERY DAY THESE NEWSPAPERS HAPPEN,
WHICH WILL HAPPEN TODAY.

DISCLOSURE WHICH WILL BE REQUIRED TO EVERY CUSTOMER UP TO
2025 FOR BRIDES AND OTHER GROUPS WHO PAID DEPOSITS AND, OF
COURSE, THREE-YEAR DEMOLITION.
TAMPA CONSTRUCTION, SEVEN TO SIX ON MONDAY, 8 A.M. TO 6 P.M.
ON SATURDAY.
SUNDAYS, YOU CAN STILL DO PILE DRIVERS AND JACK HAMMERS.
OKAY FROM 10 A.M. TO 6 P.M.
BRIDE PARTIES ARRIVE AT 1 P.M.
THEY ARRIVE TO WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN AND HEARD.
CODE ENFORCEMENT IS EXTREMELY LENGTHY.
DOESN'T WORK IN THESE SITUATIONS.
WE KNOW SUBCONTRACTORS FOLLOW ALL THE RULES, FOLLOW ALL THE
RULES FOR BONUSES AND EMPHASIS.
A COUPLE OF OTHER POINTS.
THIS IS A RARE UNDISTURBED PARK-LIKE AREA.
IT'S ABOUT FIVE ACRES.
I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THAT ALONG WITH THE SPRING OF FRED
PARK, THE RELATED COMPANY'S OFFER IS AN INDICATION OF HOW
IMPORTANT IT IS TO LEAVE THIS AREA AS AN OPEN PARK-LIKE
AREA.
IT IS A LOW DEVELOPED AREA FROM FRED BALL PARK, TAMPA GARDEN
CLUB, RODEPH SHOLOM, TWO STORY CONDOS, TAMPA'S WOMEN CLUB.
IN FACT, THEIR PLANNER POINTED THIS OUT.
HE TALKED ABOUT ALL THESE NONPROFITS IN THIS AREA AS A LOW
AREA, HE DIDN'T SAY A SPECIAL AREA, BUT OBVIOUSLY IS A

SPECIAL AREA.
BUT YOUR OFFICIAL CITY REVIEW CRITERIA HAS ONE MAIN
PRIORITY.
DO NO HARM.
CONSIDER POTENTIAL ADVERSE IMPACTS.
ENCOURAGE COMPATIBILITY.
PLANNING COMMISSION, CONSIDER IMPACTS.
SHOW THE INTENT OF THE CITY.
SHOW A UNIQUE ENVIRONMENTAL EXPERIENCE IN THE CORE OF THE
URBAN AREA.
RELATE NEW BUILDINGS AND DEVELOPMENT TO THE CONTEXT OF THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
TAMMY WATERMAN IS A CERTIFIED PLANNER, MASTER PLANNER AND
HER OPINION IS THAT THIS -- SHE KNOWS THE GARDEN CLUB.
SHE WORKED THERE 20 YEARS AS A PLANNER, SHE HAS PUT IN THE
RECORD A LETTER THAT THIS WILL BE A DESTROYING OF THIS
PROPERTY.
10:50:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:50:55PM >> THANK YOU.
10:50:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NEXT UP WE HAVE CHARLES WHO HAS A
SPEAKER WAIVER FORM AS WELL.
IF YOU COULD PLEASE SUBMIT THE SPEAKER WAIVER FORM TO THE
ATTORNEY AND THE ATTORNEY WILL READ THE NAMES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:51:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I SEE SEVEN NAMES.

IF YOU COULD MAKE SURE I HEAR OR SEE YOU.
TOM CONNELLY.
NORA BARKETTE.
10:51:32PM >> SHE'S HERE, BUT SHE'S IN THE OTHER ROOM ON THE SECOND
FLOOR.
10:51:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'LL MAKE A NOTE.
IF SHE COMES IN AND SPEAKS, NORA BARKETTE.
10:51:43PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF SHE IS ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
DIANA SULLIVAN.
LINDA DAY.
KRISTEN EVANS.
THANK YOU.
DEAN HOUSER.
THANK YOU.
KATHY ECHEVARRIA.
SHE'S DOWNSTAIRS, TOO.
WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO REMEDY THAT.
ECHEVARRIA.
NORA BARKETTE.
IN THE MEANTIME, ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE PLUS THREE IS
EIGHT.
WE'LL SEE IF THE OTHER TWO CAN COME UP.
THANK YOU.
YOU HAVE THE TIME?
EIGHT MINUTES.

10:52:36PM >> MY NAME IS CHARLES GAUTHIER.
I RESIDE AT 1780 COPPERFIELD CIRCLE.
THAT'S IN TALLAHASSEE, FLORIDA.
I AM A PLANNER.
I HAVE BEEN HIRED BY THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB TO INDEPENDENTLY
REVIEW THIS ZONING PROPOSAL, WHICH I'VE DONE.
I DID SUBMIT A WRITTEN REPORT FOR THE RECORD.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO MAKE A COPY AVAILABLE TO YOU RIGHT NOW, A
HARD COPY, IF THAT'S PERMISSIBLE.
10:53:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SURE.
10:53:10PM >> LET ME INTRODUCE MYSELF VERY QUICKLY.
I SEE THE CLOCK IS RUNNING.
I'M A RESIDENT OF TAMPA IN THE EARLY 1970s.
I WENT TO USF.
IT'S AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT TOWN NOW.
IN FACT, I PLAYED A QUIET ROLE IN THE BACKGROUND, BUT IT WAS
REALLY YOUR WORK THAT HAS BUILT TAMPA INTO ONE OF THE
PREMIER CITIES --
10:53:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ARE YOU NORMA BARKETTE?
I SEE KATHY ECHEVARRIA.
ADD TWO MORE MINUTES TO HIS TIME.
10:53:43PM >> THANK YOU.
AS I WAS SAYING, TAMPA HAS BECOME A PREMIER CITY.
IN FACT, IN THE WHOLE NATION.
THERE IS A LOT TO BE PROUD OF, BUT I KNOW THE CHALLENGES YOU

FACE DAY TO DAY, WEEK BY WEEK.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS BALANCING THE PRESSURES FROM
NEW GROWTH PROTECTING THE HISTORIC QUALITIES THAT HAS
PROPELLED YOUR SUCCESS.
THAT'S WHAT I THINK THIS CASE IS ABOUT.
I THINK THE KEY ISSUE IN THIS MATTER IS THE BUILDING HEIGHT,
PROPOSED 26 STORIES, WHETHER IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH ADJACENT
AND NEARBY USES AND WHETHER IT FITS IN WITH THE R-35 FUTURE
LAND USE CATEGORY.
LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY QUALIFICATIONS.
LIKE MR. SMITH, I'VE BEEN IN A BUSINESS FOR 46 YEARS NOW.
IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE.
CERTIFIED PLANNER.
I WAS INDUCTED AS A FELLOW INTO THE INSTITUTE OF CERTIFIED
PLANNERS, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST AWARD AVAILABLE AT A NATIONAL
LEVEL.
I'VE BEEN A CHIEF PLANNER FOR COLLIER COUNTY, A ZONING
ADMINISTRATOR FOR LEE COUNTY.
I'VE WORKED FOR MAJOR CONSULTANTS ON DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS,
LARGE AND SMALL.
I WORKED FOR 17 YEARS AS A SENIOR OFFICIAL AT THE DEPARTMENT
OF COMMUNITY AFFAIRS.
I HAD MY HANDS ON AND PLAYED A ROLE IN THE REVIEW OF OVER
5,000 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PACKAGES, DRIs, INCLUDING FROM

THE CITY OF TAMPA.
HOW ALL THAT HAPPENED I REALLY CAN'T EXPLAIN.
I'M ACTUALLY A SHY INDIVIDUAL.
LET ME GET TO IT AND REFOCUS.
COMPATIBILITY.
COMPATIBILITY IS ABOUT ADJACENT AND NEARBY USES.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ADJACENT AND NEARBY USES TO THE SUBJECT
PROPERTY, THE PROPOSAL IS INCOMPATIBLE.
AND THAT IS THE HEIGHT, THE MASS, THE SCALE OF THE
DEVELOPMENT.
AND MY FOCUS IS ON THE BUILDING HEIGHT, NOT SO MUCH THE
NUMBER OF UNITS, BUT THE BUILDING HEIGHT.
IT SIMPLY CONFLICTS WITH THE LOW TWO-STORY TAMPA GARDEN CLUB
AND ITS FUNCTION.
IT CONFLICTS WITH --
[ENCODER DISCONNECT]
I MEAN, MR. PRESSMAN TALKED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS.
THERE'S ADVERSE VISUAL IMPACTS.
THAT'S IMPORTANT.
THERE IS A LOSS OF PRIVACY.
THERE'S SHADOWING.
THERE'S NOISE.
THERE IS A FUNDAMENTAL DEGRADATION IN THE QUALITY OF LIFE
FOR THOSE EXISTING USES THERE IN THE BAYSHORE NEIGHBORHOOD.
NOW, REGARDING THE BUILDING HEIGHT, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.

THE STAFF REPORT AND THE APPLICANT'S NARRATIVE TALKED ABOUT
317 FEET.
MR. CREMER A LITTLE EARLIER IN ONE OF HIS SLIDES SAID
SOMETHING ABOUT 278 FEET FROM -- I SAW AN E-MAIL THAT TALKED
ABOUT 297 FEET, EXCUSE ME, YEAH.
349 FEET.
SO THERE IS A LACK OF CLARITY ABOUT THE FINAL BUILDING
HEIGHT.
I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE TIED DOWN.
IT COULD BE 317 OR YOU COULD ADD 10% TO THAT.
I THINK IT AMOUNTS TO THE SAME THING.
TOO TALL A BUILDING IN THE WRONG PLACE GIVEN THE ADJACENT
USES.
THE GRAPHIC HERE ILLUSTRATES IT AND YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH
THIS.
THE GARDEN CLUB IMMEDIATELY NEXT DOOR IN LIGHT GREEN,
TWO-STORY BUILDING.
THE WEDDING AREA, OF COURSE, PARKING AND GROUNDS.
ON THE CORNER, YOU HAVE A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.
YOU HAVE THE TOWN HOUSES RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
THESE ARE ALL WITHIN THE R-35 FUTURE LAND USE DISTRICT.
AND I THINK THE FOCUS AGAIN NEEDS TO BE ON THE ADJACENT
NEARBY USES WITH ATTENTION TO THE R-35 DISTRICT.
AND THE STAFF REPORT I NOTICED IT LOOKED AT DEVELOPMENT
WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET, FAR AWAY FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

IT LOOKED AT TALL BUILDINGS HALF A MILE AWAY.
I SEEN THE SAME THING IN THE APPLICANT'S SUBMITTAL.
SO THEY ARE LOOKING FAR BEYOND THE ADJACENT NEARBY USES
WHERE I BELIEVE WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THE GARDEN CLUB, THE
SINGLE-FAMILY, THE TOWN HOUSES, THE WOMAN'S CLUB AND THE
OFFICE BUILDING, WITHIN THAT R-35 DISTRICT.
I BOXED IN ON THIS GRAPHIC THE EXTENT OF THAT DISTRICT.
IT'S ABOUT 13 ACRES.
AND THAT -- THOSE ARE THE USES WITHIN THAT DISTRICT.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD HAVE SOUGHT AN R 83
DISTRICT.
R 35 ISN'T AN APPROPRIATE DISTRICT WITH PARTICULAR REGARD TO
THE BUILDING HEIGHT.
SO MY COMPATIBILITY CONCLUSION IS REALLY BASED ON THE
ADJACENT AND NEARBY USES, AND MY CONSISTENCY VIEW IS SIMPLY
INCONSISTENT WITH THE BALANCE THAT R 35 DISTRICT.
IF THE BUILDING HEIGHTS ARE SOUGHT, WELL, IT SHOULD BE IN A
DIFFERENT DISTRICT OR SHOULD BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE
DISTRICT.
IT'S OUT OF STEP.
OUT OF ORDER.
MY REPORT INCLUDES A NUMBER OF POLICIES AND CITATIONS.
ONE POLICY I'D LIKE TO FOCUS ON FOR A MOMENT, I'VE HEARD
REFERENCE TO UNDERDEVELOPMENT.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS UNDERDEVELOPED.

IN FACT, I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF TAMPA'S
HERITAGE.
IT IS THE SWATH OF GREEN, LOW INTENSITY USES IS VERY
IMPORTANT TO BAYSHORE BOULEVARD, WHICH YOU CHARACTERIZE IN
YOUR PLAN AS EMERALD JEWEL.
YOU COMMIT IN YOUR PLAN TO CONTINUE TO PRESERVE AND ENHANCE
THE BALANCE OF NATURAL AND PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENTS ON BAYSHORE
BOULEVARD.
SO THIS ISN'T UNDERDEVELOPED.
THIS IS A PRECIOUS PART OF THAT JEWEL THAT YOU HAVE.
SEVERAL OTHER POINTS, I SEE I'M RUNNING OUT OF TIME ALREADY.
BUILDING HEIGHT, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU GET TO 26
STORIES.
IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THERE IS A MATRIX THAT SAYS
MEDIUM DENSITY SUCH AS R 35 ALLOW 8 STORIES.
HOW IS THIS JUSTIFIED?
IT COULD BE JUSTIFIED BY A SPECIAL DISTRICT, AN OVERLAY, OR
LOCATION.
ONLY LOCATION APPLIES HERE AND THIS LOCATION DOESN'T SUPPORT
THAT SCALE BUILDING.
SO, AGAIN, THE PROBLEM HERE IS NOT THE NUMBER OF UNITS.
IT'S THE SCALE OF THE BUILDING.
ALL THIS IS A SYMPTOM OF TOO MUCH STUFF ON ONE SITE.
TOO MUCH DEVELOPMENT, OVERDEVELOPED.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, THE DENSITY IS MAXIMIZED WITHOUT

CONSIDERATION OF ANY BONUSES.
THE FLOOR AREA RATIO WOULD BE MAXIMIZED ON THE SITE.
PARKING WAIVER IS OFF THE TABLE SINCE THAT IS -- PARKING IS
A PROBLEM IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
SITE ACCESS, ALL THIS ACCESS NOT AN ARTERIAL, NOT A
COLLECTOR.
IT ACCESSES LOCAL STREETS.
SO THE BOTTOM LINE BASED ON MY ANALYSIS IS TOO MUCH
DEVELOPMENT ON TOO SMALL A SITE IN THE WRONG LOCATION.
FINALLY I LIKE TO TOUCH ON COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
YOU KNOW HOW SERIOUS AN ISSUE THAT IS.
WE'VE SEEN IT.
SUBSTANTIAL AREAS ALONG BAYSHORE ARE IN THE HIGH HAZARD
ZONE.
THAT MEANS IT'S VULNERABLE TO STORMWATER SURGE AND SALTWATER
FLOODING IN A CATEGORY 1 EVENT.
IT GETS WORSE AS THE EVENTS GO UP AND SEA LEVEL RISES.
I THINK THAT ALSO WORKS TO TEMPER THE DEGREE OF DEVELOPMENT
WHICH WOULD DRAW DOWN THAT BUILDING HEIGHT.
SO IT IS A HIGH-RISK AREA.
THIS PROPOSAL WOULD PUT PEOPLE AND PROPERTY IN HARM'S WAY.
MY RECOMMENDATION IS, NO, THIS IS NOT APPROPRIATE.
I'D RECOMMEND THAT YOU SAY NO.
IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
WRONG PLACE.

11:02:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:03:01PM >> IF I MAY, I WOULD LIKE TO CROSS-EXAMINE MR. GAUTHIER.
11:03:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. CREMER WISHES TO CROSS-EXAMINE THE
PREVIOUS SPEAKER.
IS THAT APPROPRIATE?
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION.
WOULD THAT BE APPROPRIATE TO ASK A QUESTION OF THE
GENTLEMAN?
11:03:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, QUESTIONS ARE APPROPRIATE.
YOU WOULD LIKE TO CROSS-EXAMINE.
CAN WE DO THAT AFTER WE TAKE COUNCIL MEMBER QUESTIONS?
11:03:38PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU CITED FLORIDA STATUTE 161.3164 IN TERMS
OF COMPATIBILITY AND YOU TALKED ABOUT THE STAFF REPORT AS
GOING AS FAR AS A THOUSAND FEET AND YOU SAID WE SHOULD ONLY
CONSIDER ADJACENT NEARBY USES.
SO TWO QUESTIONS.
ONE IS, DOES IT SAY SOMEWHERE IN STATUTE, IS THERE SOME
LEGAL BASIS FOR ADJACENT NEARBY USES VERSUS A THOUSAND FEET?
AND THEN AS STATED BY THE APPLICANT, THERE IS -- THERE ARE
TWO HIGH-RISE BUILDINGS KIND OF ACROSS THE STREET, SO WOULD
THEY BE CONSIDERED ADJACENT NEARBY USES ALSO?
11:04:21PM >> THE STATUTE DOESN'T SPECIFY ADJACENT OR NEARBY.
YOUR OWN PLAN POLICIES REFER TO ADJACENT, NEARBY IN THE
CONTEXT OF COMPATIBILITY.
11:04:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DO YOU KNOW WHERE THAT IS?

I KNOW YOU'RE FROM TALLAHASSEE, BUT DO YOU REMEMBER THE
NUMBER?
IS.
11:04:42PM >> THE POLICY WAS ACTUALLY IN THE APPLICANT'S SUPPLEMENTAL
PLANNING ANALYSIS, WHICH IT WOULD TAKE ME A WHILE TO FIND.
IT'S YOUR PLAN.
IT'S YOUR PLAN.
AS FAR AS NEARBY OTHER USES THAT ARE TALL, YES, THEY EXIST,
AND THEY ARE IN DIFFERENT FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES.
THEY ARE NOT IN R 35.
R 35 SAYS TYPICALLY 8 STORIES.
MEDIAN DENSITY.
IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT R 83 WHICH IS HIGH DENSITY,
TYPICALLY THOSE BUILDING HEIGHTS COULD BE MUCH TALLER.
SO I LOOK AT IT VERY DIFFERENTLY OUTSIDE OF THIS PARTICULAR
R-35 DISTRICT.
11:05:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. CREMER, IF YOU WISH TO CROSS-EXAMINE
THE GENTLEMAN, GO AHEAD.
11:05:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CREMER, I DO HAVE A REQUEST FOR YOU, IF
YOU DON'T MIND.
DIRECT YOUR QUESTIONS FORWARD, IF POSSIBLE.
COUNCIL CAN HEAR IT AND THE MICROPHONE PICKS IT UP.
BASICALLY YOUR QUESTIONING AND ANSWER COMES THROUGH THE
CHAIR.
THANK YOU.

11:05:52PM >> COUNCIL, MAY I RESERVE THE RIGHT TO REDIRECT?
11:05:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
REDIRECT?
11:05:59PM >> YES.
11:06:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
LET ME WEIGH THAT WHILE THE
CROSS-EXAMINATION CONTINUES.
11:06:08PM >> THANK YOU.
JUST A FEW QUESTIONS.
MR. GAUTHIER, WOULD YOU AGREE WITH ME THAT A PLANNER SHOULD
CONSIDER THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT IN THE COMPATIBILITY
ANALYSIS?
11:06:20PM >> YES.
11:06:24PM >> MR. GAUTHIER, I'VE BEEN REVIEWING YOUR REPORT HERE.
I JUST GOT IT, BUT I DON'T SEE A MENTION IN YOUR REPORT OF
THE ALTURA, THE SANCTUARY, THE RITZ RESIDENCES, AQUATICA, OR
PRESBYTERIAN APARTMENTS.
ARE THOSE REFERENCES IN YOUR REPORT TO THOSE TOWERS?
11:06:47PM >> NO.
11:06:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CREMER, I'LL ASK YOU TO TAKE A STEP
CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE AND DIRECT FORWARD, PLEASE.
11:06:58PM >> MR. GAUTHIER, WERE YOU AN EXPERT WITNESS OPPOSING
DEVELOPMENT IN A CASE CALLED CONSERVANCY OF SOUTHWEST
FLORIDA VERSUS COLLIER COUNTY AND COLLIER ENTERPRISES IN
COLLIER COUNTY?
11:07:10PM >> YES, SIR, IN CIRCUIT COURT, COLLIER COUNTY.
11:07:15PM >> MR. GAUTHIER, IN THAT CASE CONCERNING YOUR EXPERT

OPINION, DID THE JUDGE FIND THAT IN THE END, QUOTE, MR.
GAUTHIER'S OPINIONS REST UPON THE OMISSION OF KEYWORDS FROM
THE GMP AND THE ADDITION OF WORDS AND REQUIREMENTS THAT DO
NOT EXIST IN THE GMP, ACCORDINGLY, THE COURT GIVES HIS
OPINION MINIMAL WEIGHT.
11:07:38PM >> THAT'S ACCURATE.
I'D LIKE TO EXPLAIN.
11:07:41PM >> THANK YOU.
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
11:07:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
11:07:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WITH REGARD TO THE REDIRECT, I BELIEVE IT
WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER EITHER USING YOUR
TIME OR IF YOU NEED ADDITIONAL TIME FOR WHATEVER REASON FOR
DUE PROCESS IF YOU ARE REPRESENTING SOMEBODY WHO IS IN THE
NOTICED AREA.
MY SUGGESTION IS IT'S VERY UNUSUAL.
WE HAVE NOT HAD A REDIRECT.
I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH AN OBLIGATION FOR REDIRECT.
YOU HAVEN'T EVEN SPOKEN OR IDENTIFIED OR PARTICIPATED YET.
MY SUGGESTION IS, IF YOU WANT TO RAISE THAT ISSUE DURING
YOUR TIME, YOU CAN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT AT THIS
TIME.
I'M SAYING WHEN YOU COME UP, YOU CAN USE YOUR TIME HOWEVER

YOU SEE FIT.
11:08:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NOT RIGHT NOW.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:08:37PM >> I APPRECIATE THAT.
11:08:38PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
11:08:40PM >> IF MR. GAUTHIER COULD FINISH HIS RESPONSE TO MR. CREMER.
11:08:46PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I BELIEVE HE DID FINISH HIS REQUEST, AT
LEAST AS FAR AS MR. CREMER WAS CONCERNED.
11:08:54PM >> I RESPONDED HE WAS CORRECT BUT THERE WAS AN EXPLANATION.
11:08:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NOW THE ANSWER IS, FRANKLY, AND I'M NOT
SUGGESTING OR PROFFERING IT, AND THIS IS TRUE FOR NOT ONLY
THIS WITNESS, JUST AS COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAS DONE, BUT ANY
COUNCIL MEMBER CAN MAKE INQUIRY OF ANY WITNESS THEY WISH TO
BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THEY MAY HAVE, YOUR
OPPORTUNITY.
11:09:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
11:09:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD LIKE HIM TO EXPLAIN.
11:09:22PM >> YES, MA'AM.
I'VE BEEN QUALIFIED AS AN EXPERT WITNESS IN 39 CASES,
PROBABLY 35 OF THEM CAME OUT MY DIRECTION.
IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IT DID NOT.
IT HAD TO DO WITH A THOUSAND-ACRE DEVELOPMENT AREA WITH
2,000 UNITS LOCATED SOUTH OF IMMOKALEE PURSUANT TO A RURAL
LAND STEWARDSHIP PROGRAM.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLED FOR A WALKABLE COMMUNITY, AND

THERE ARE A SERIES OF POLICIES IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
THAT SPOKE TO WALKABILITY.
THE POLICY THAT PREVAILED AND THE JUDGE'S CONCLUSION WAS A
SINGLE POLICY THAT SAID WALKABILITY WILL BE ACHIEVED THROUGH
SIDEWALKS, REQUIRED SIDEWALKS.
MY ANALYSIS HAD TO DO WITH WALK LENGTHS, DISTANCES TO
DESTINATIONS.
I OUTLINED A SCENARIO OF ONE SINGLE PERIMETER ROAD WITH A
SIDEWALK AND THE JUDGE DIDN'T AGREE.
11:10:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON AND COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
11:10:42PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU, CHAIR.
I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE PREVIOUS PROJECT THAT THE OPPOSING
MEMBERS PRESENTED COMPARED TO THIS ONE?
11:10:54PM >> NOT IN DETAIL, NO, MA'AM.
GENERALLY.
11:10:57PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
JUST GENERALLY WHAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR.
11:11:01PM >> YES, MA'AM.
11:11:01PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THEY WENT FROM FIVE WAIVERS TO NO WAIVERS.
PUTTING UP A GREEN WALL.
THEY ARE HAVING THESE IMPROVEMENTS, THESE SIGNIFICANT
IMPROVEMENTS.
THE FOLKS THAT ARE ASKING YOU TO REPRESENT THEM, WAS IT
PRESENTED WHERE YOU WERE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE PROJECT AND

MAKE A DECISION OR WAS IT -- WERE YOU HIRED TO SPEAK AGAINST
THE PROJECT?
HOW DOES THAT WORK?
11:11:29PM >> NO, MA'AM.
I WOULD NEVER SURVIVE THAT WAY.
11:11:31PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THEY PAID YOU AND THEN YOU TOLD THEM YOU
SUPPORTED THEM.
11:11:36PM >> THEY APPROACHED ME.
I STUDIED IT.
I REACHED AN INITIAL OPINION.
I SAID I THINK THIS IS WHAT I WOULD CONCLUDE.
I CONTINUED MY WORK UNDER A FORMAL ENGAGEMENT AND REACHED A
FINAL CONCLUSION.
NO, I DON'T JUMP INTO CASES I DON'T AGREE WITH.
I LOOK AT THEM HARD AND ONLY THEN.
11:12:00PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I UNDERSTAND.
IF YOU STUDIED IT, WHY WOULDN'T THE PREVIOUS BODY OF WORK
THAT WAS BEING PRESENTED FOR THAT SITE BE A PART OF YOUR
CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU WERE MAKING YOUR DECISION?
11:12:14PM >> WELL, IT WAS.
I WANT TO BE CLEAR --
11:12:17PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU WEREN'T FAMILIAR
WITH IT.
11:12:20PM >> I SAID I'M GENERALLY FAMILIAR WITH IT.
THE BUILDING HEIGHT WAS SLIGHTLY HIGHER.

THERE WERE ADDITIONAL WAIVERS.
TO ME, IT'S SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME PROJECT, VERY TALL
BUILDING ON A SMALL SITE ADJACENT --
11:12:33PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IT'S NOT THE SAME BECAUSE OUR STAFF
DETERMINED THAT IT WASN'T THE SAME.
ANYWAY, THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE YOU ANSWERING --
11:12:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:12:45PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I COULD ASK A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS BUT IT'S
GOING TO BE A LATE NIGHT.
I APPRECIATE YOU, SIR, AND YOUR COMING DOWN HERE.
REALLY QUICK QUESTION, YOU MENTIONED I THINK 39 CASES YOU
TESTIFIED IN UNLESS I HEARD INCORRECTLY, HOW MUCH OF A
PERCENTAGE OF YOUR INCOME AND THE WORK THAT YOU DO IS
DERIVED FROM EXPERT WORK RETAINED AS A PARTY?
IF YOU CAN ESTIMATE THAT.
11:13:08PM >> WELL, ALL OF IT REALLY IN TERMS OF FINAL LEGAL
PROCEEDINGS, PROBABLY TWO-THIRDS.
11:13:15PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AGAIN, LATE NIGHT.
THANK YOU.
11:13:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:13:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
LET ME JUST ASK, 39 CASES, HOW LONG HAVE
YOU BEEN DOING THIS?
11:13:27PM >> OVER 46 YEARS.
A NUMBER OF THE CASES WERE WHEN I REPRESENTED THE DEPARTMENT

OF COMMUNITY AFFAIRS.
I WORKED ON MY OWN THE LAST TEN YEARS.
I'VE HAD CLIENTS THROUGHOUT CENTRAL AND SOUTH FLORIDA.
PROBABLY IN TWO FINAL LEGAL PROCEEDINGS A YEAR.
MOST OF ALL REPRESENTING THE STATE, SOME MORE RECENTLY.
11:13:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU HAD 39 CASES OF WHICH 35 WERE RULED
IN YOUR FAVORITE.
DOES THAT MEAN BY A JUDGE OR BY WHO?
11:13:59PM >> BY EITHER AN ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE OR A CIRCUIT COURT
JUDGE.
THAT'S AN APPROXIMATE NUMBER.
THE MAJORITY.
MAJORITY MOST DEFINITELY.
11:14:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, SIR.
11:14:17PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MARTY AND THE CITY ATTORNEY, I'VE NEVER SEEN
THIS SITUATION BEFORE WHERE AN OPPOSING PARTY WANTED TO
CROSS-EXAMINE, AND IT APPEARS THERE MAY BE POTENTIALLY
MULTIPLE ATTORNEYS REPRESENTING MULTIPLE PARTIES.
NOT EVERYBODY HAS IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES AND WHO THEY
REPRESENT.
FOR THE RECORD, COULD WE GET CLARIFICATION AS TO WHETHER
AGGRIEVED PARTIES HAVE THE RIGHT TO CROSS-EXAMINE AND DO
THEY HAVE ANY SPECIAL ENTITLEMENT OTHER THAN THE THREE
MINUTES THEY WOULD GET IN PUBLIC COMMENT?

11:14:52PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WELL, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, YOU'RE RAISING
THE ISSUE I BELIEVE WITH REGARD TO MS. GRAHAM.
11:15:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER ATTORNEYS ARE
REPRESENTING OTHER PARTIES OUT THERE.
AND THERE ARE TWO PARTIES AND THE APPLICANT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PARTIES ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
WHAT WOULD QUALIFY AS A PARTY THAT WOULD HAVE THE SPECIAL
STATUS TO REPRESENT A GROUP AND CROSS-EXAMINE WITNESSES?
11:15:25PM >>CATE WELLS:
CATE WELLS, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
AT THIS POINT THE PARTIES TO THIS PROCEEDING ARE THE CITY OF
TAMPA AND THE APPLICANT.
IF ANYONE ELSE THAT IS PARTICIPATING ARE INTERESTED MEMBERS
OF THE PUBLIC BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE PARTY STATUS IN THE
ZONING.
11:15:42PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IS THE APPLICANT ONLY RELATED OR ALSO
RODEPH?
11:15:46PM >>CATE WELLS:
I'LL DEFER TO MR. CREMER TO ANSWER THAT.
11:15:49PM >> THE APPLICANT IS THE RELATED GROUP, RODEPH SHOLOM IS THE
LANDOWNER.
11:15:53PM >>BILL CARLSON:
BUT THERE'S NO SPECIAL STATUS TO AGGRIEVED
PARTIES TO HAVE ANY COMMENTS OTHER THAN THREE MINUTES FOR --
11:16:02PM >>CATE WELLS:
WELL, AT THIS POINT WE HAVE MEMBERS OF THE
PUBLIC THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THE OUTCOME OF THIS
PROCEEDING.
I WOULDN'T SAY THEY ARE AGGRIEVED PARTIES DURING THIS

PROCEEDING BECAUSE A DECISION HAS NOT BEEN MADE.
11:16:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST ANYBODY WHO HAS ANY OTHER OPINION OTHER
THAN THE APPLICANT, IF THEY HAVE AN ATTORNEY HERE
REPRESENTING THEM, DO THEY HAVE ANY RIGHTS?
11:16:23PM >>CATE WELLS:
I BELIEVE ONLY PARTIES HAVE THE RIGHT TO
CROSS-EXAMINE, I BELIEVE.
MR. SHELBY CAN CONFIRM THAT.
11:16:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU, SIR.
NEXT UP WE HAVE JANE GRAHAM WHO HAS A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM
WITH FIVE PEOPLE.
11:16:42PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM?
11:16:46PM >> YES, I DO.
11:16:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU DO NOT REPRESENT ANY PARTIES IN THIS
CASE.
11:16:59PM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
I REPRESENT ALTURA BAYSHORE CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION.
11:17:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
IF YOU WANT TO REFERENCE THE CONVERSATION AS PART OF YOUR
TIME.
WITH REGARD TO CROSS-EXAMINATION, I THINK THE DETERMINATION
HAS BEEN MADE RESOLVING THAT FOR YOU AND EVERYBODY ELSE SO
SITUATED.
IF I CAN HEAR YOUR PRESENCE, PLEASE.
I SEE FIVE NAMES.

JOANNE HOUSER.
JAMES ALVER.
LORD ALVER.
MARTIN PREVADA.
AND PREVADA.
A TOTAL OF 8.
11:17:38PM >> GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL, MY NAME IS JANE GRAHAM.
I AM AN ATTORNEY AND FOUNDER OF SUNSHINE CITY LAW AT 737
MAIN STREET, SAFETY HARBOR.
I REPRESENT ALTURA BAYSHORE CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION.
ON BEHALF OF MY CLIENTS, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU
DENY THIS APPLICATION TONIGHT.
ALTURA ADOPTS THE ARGUMENTS OF THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB AND
EXPERT TESTIMONY OF EXPERT LAND USE PLANNER CHARLES
GAUTHIER.
LAST MAY, THE CITY COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY DENIED RESOLUTION
2293, THE OLD APPLICATION.
AND TONIGHT, YOU'RE CONSIDERING THIS NEW APPLICATION WHICH
IS SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR AND STILL INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE
SURROUNDING AREA.
THE APPLICATION FAILS TO COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT UNDER SECTION 27-136 LDC AND IS STILL
INCONSISTENT WITH CITY OF TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE APPLICANT HAS REMOVED THE REQUEST FOR THE NEW WAIVERS,
BUT THERE ARE STILL UNRESOLVED ISSUES WITH OVERDEVELOPMENT,

COMPATIBILITY, AND IMPACTS TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE RENDERING OF THE BUILDING FROM LAST MAY
AND THE NEW ONE UNDER CONSIDERATION, IT'S ACTUALLY HARD TO
TELL THE DIFFERENCE.
IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE DETAILS OF THE OLD PLAN AND NEW
SITE PLANS, LET'S DRILL DOWN TO A COUPLE OF THEM.
THE TOP FLOOR LAST TIME WAS 329.
THIS TIME IT'S 317.
THE DIFFERENCE IS 12 FEET, 3.5% REDUCTION.
THE HIGHEST POINT OF THE BUILDING LAST TIME WAS 356.
NOW THE SITE PLAN DOESN'T ACTUALLY INCLUDE THIS NUMBER IN
YOUR APPLICATION FOR THE NEW ONE, HOWEVER THERE IS AN E-MAIL
CONFIRMED BY MS. LaCHONE DOCK THAT IT WOULD BE 349.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BY E-MAIL THAT'S NOT WHAT WE HAVE
SEEN IN THE DOCUMENT, BUT WE THOUGHT IT WAS WORTH SHARING
WITH YOU.
THAT IS 1.9% REDUCTION AND JUST A DIFFERENCE OF SEVEN FEET.
THE FLOORS HAVE GONE DOWN FROM 29 TO 26, DIFFERENCE OF TWO
-- DIFFERENCE OF THREE.
NOW, THE INTERESTING THING IS THAT THE GROSS FLOOR AREA IS
THE SAME.
SO THE BULK, MASSING, AND SCALE OF THE BUILDING REMAINS.
THIS IS ACTUALLY SURPRISING BECAUSE THERE ARE EIGHT FEWER
UNITS, BUT THE APPLICANT EXPANDED THE INDIVIDUAL UNITS TO BE
LARGER AND COVER THE SAME AREA.

SO HERE IS THE ODD THING AS WELL.
IF YOU APPROVE THIS REZONING TONIGHT, THE APPLICANT CAN ASK
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR FOR A MODIFICATION OF THE SITE PLAN
THAT COULD ALMOST NEGATE THESE REDUCTIONS UNDER SECTION
27-138-7 ALLOWS THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR TO APPROVE
NON-SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN, AND THAT WOULDN'T
COME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU.
ONE OF THOSE IS THAT THEY CAN INCREASE UP TO TWO STORIES.
SO YOU HAVE A 29-FLOOR BUILDING THAT WAS REJECTED LAST YEAR,
AND IT COULD STILL BECOME A 28-STORY BUILDING.
ON THE OTHER HAND, THE SURROUNDING AREA HAS NOT
SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED SINCE LAST MAY.
WHEN THE COUNCIL FOUND THIS PROPOSAL INCOMPATIBLE.
THE APPLICATION -- THE APPLICANT HAS LISTED EIGHT BUILDINGS
WITHIN A 0.6-MILE RADIUS, BUT NONE OF THOSE WERE ACTUALLY
APPROVED AFTER MAY 11, 2023.
SO WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT WHEN YOU DECIDED LAST YEAR THAT
IT WAS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA, NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
IT'S STILL INCOMPATIBLE.
AND THE SITE PLANS FROM LAST MAY AND THE ONE FOR TODAY
ACTUALLY INCLUDE IDENTICAL ADJACENT PARCEL DATA TABLES WHICH
NOTABLY MOSTLY INCLUDES INSTITUTIONAL AND SINGLE-FAMILY
USES.
THE APPLICANT HAS SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT ALTURA AS A PRIME
EXAMPLE OF SIZE AND CHARACTER APPROPRIATE AND COMPATIBLE FOR

BAYSHORE BOULEVARD, AND ALTURA APPRECIATES BEING A PRIME
EXAMPLE, BUT IT'S NOT ACTUALLY SITUATED ON BAYSHORE
BOULEVARD.
AND IT'S ORIENTED TO THE LEE ROY SELMON EXPRESSWAY AND CMU
35 MIXED USE DISTRICT.
IN COMPARISON, THE RELATED GROUP'S PROJECT IS DISTINCT
BECAUSE IT IS IN A CLUSTER OF EXISTING PUBLIC AND
QUASI-PUBLIC LAND USES ALONG BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
UNUSUAL AND DISTINCT EXAMPLE, A LITTLE ENCLAVE WITHIN
BAYSHORE BOULEVARD ITSELF.
THERE ARE ADDITIONAL INCONSISTENCIES IN THE COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN WHICH ARE INCLUDED IN A LETTER I HAD SUBMITTED AND I'LL
PROVIDE COPIES IN THE RECORD AS WELL.
AMONG THOSE IS I'D LIKE TO CALL OUT LAND USE POLICY 9.3.8
REGARDING IMPACTS TO THE SURROUNDING AREA.
ALTURA'S FUTURE RESIDENTS HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT IMPACTS ON
TRAFFIC TO THE SURROUNDING STREETS.
PUBLIC TRANSIT IS REALLY NOT A VIABLE OPTION IN THIS AREA IN
THE FUTURE.
AND THERE'S ALSO LIMITED INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED
ABOUT IMPACTS FROM DELIVERY TRUCKS, SERVICE STAFF AND
GARBAGE TRUCKS ON-SITE.
THE LOADING ZONE EMPTIES ON TO YSABELLA AND LITTLE CLEARANCE
FOR TURNS.
THIS WILL BE A LONG NIGHT AND HEARING A LOT OF TESTIMONY.

AS YOU LISTEN, YOU NEED TO DECIDE WHETHER THE APPLICANT HAS
MET THE BURDEN WITH COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
UNDER 27-136 AMONG OTHERS.
I'M PROVIDING YOU WITH A CHEAT SHEET WHICH HAS A SUGGESTED
MOTION TO DENY PLUS SECTIONS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED UNDER
27-136 AND ALSO THE WAIVERS AND -- AS WELL AS SECTIONS OF
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT ARE INCONSISTENT.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO ENTER THAT INTO THE RECORD WHEN I'M
FINISHED.
TO GO BACK TO COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE, GENERALIZED
STATEMENTS EVEN FROM EXPERTS ARE NOT COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL
EVIDENCE.
NOW, ON THE OTHER HAND, IT MIGHT SEEM EASY TO DISMISS THE
CREDIBILITY OF LAYPERSON TESTIMONY.
HOWEVER, FLORIDA LAW CONSIDERS AS COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL
EVIDENCE THAT WHEN THE PUBLIC IS PRESENTING ACTUAL AND
SPECIFIC FACTS THAT ARE RELEVANT, THEN THAT IS COMPETENT
SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
ON TOP OF THAT, TESTIMONY ON SUBJECTIVE MATTERS THAT DO NOT
REQUIRE EXPERTISE SUCH AS THE DEVELOPMENT'S IMPACT ON THE
AREA'S NATURAL BEAUTY, THAT IS ALSO COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL
EVIDENCE.
SO YOU WILL HEAR THAT DIRECTLY TONIGHT.
IF YOU RECEIVED GENERALIZED STATEMENTS OF SUPPORT, KNOW THAT
THAT, IF IT'S JUST A GENERALIZED STATEMENT THAT SHOULD BE

DISREGARDED.
A FEW FINAL THOUGHTS ON SOME OF THE LEGAL ISSUES AND
PROCEDURAL FLAWS, AND I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO FULL DETAIL
ON IT, BUT WE WOULD DISPUTE THE FACT THAT THE WAIVERS RUN
WITH THE LAND, EVEN THE ONE REGARDING THE COLLECTOR STREETS,
BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SECTION FOR A PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT, IT ACTUALLY HAS TO COMPLY, IF IT IS A
SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE, THEN THE REZONING PROCESS IS RESET.
AND IT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE FULL ANALYSIS.
WE ALSO DISPUTE THAT THIS SHOULD EVEN BE IN FRONT OF YOU.
I DESCRIBED THIS MORE IN THE LETTER.
FINALLY, THE APPLICANT'S CONTENTION THAT A REFUSAL TO ALLOW
THIS PROPERTY TO BE REZONED TONIGHT IS SOME KIND OF TAKING.
REVERSE SPOT ZONING, BUT ACTUALLY A ZONING ORDINANCE WHICH
DENIES AN OWNER THE MAXIMUM PROFITABLE USE OF THEIR LAND IS
NOT UNCONSTITUTIONALLY CONFISCATORY.
11:25:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:25:47PM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE FOR THE RECORD THE SUGGESTED
MOTION TO DENY AND ALSO COPIES OF THE LETTER WHICH HAVE
ALREADY BEEN PROVIDED.
11:25:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
PLEASE GIVE IT TO THE ATTORNEY AND HE'LL SUBMIT IT TO THE
RECORD.
MR. CREMER, DO YOU WISH -- DO YOU WANT TO SEE -- WE GO TO

PUBLIC COMMENT AND LOOK HOW MUCH THERE IS.
WITH SPEAKER WAIVER FORMS.
WE'RE GOING TO START THE PUBLIC COMMENT OR CONTINUE THE
PUBLIC COMMENT.
FIRST IS ROCHELLE WALK.
MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:26:36PM >> ROCHELLE FREEDMAN WALK.
I LIVE AT 371 CHANNELSIDE WALKWAY, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
I AM A BOARD MEMBER AND A PAST PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA JCCs
IN FEDERATION.
I AM ALSO THE IMMEDIATE PAST CHAIR OF THE TOP JEWISH
FOUNDATION AND I AM AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF CONGREGATION RODEPH
SHOLOM.
FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU, OUR MAYOR, OUR
POLICE, OUR FIRE AND SERVICE PROVIDERS FOR YOUR CONTINUED
LEADERSHIP IN PROTECTING OUR CITY AND IN PROTECTING OUR
JEWISH COMMUNITY AND PROTECTING OUR JEWISH INSTITUTIONS.
THIS HAS BEEN A VERY DIFFICULT YEAR FOR OUR JEWISH COMMUNITY
AS I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS WITH THE RISE OF ANTI-SEMITISM
AND THE HATE CRIMES THAT WE HAVE ENDURED.
AND I THANK YOU AND THE CITY FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO TO MAKE
SURE WE ARE SAFE.
I'M HERE TODAY SPECIFICALLY TO DISCUSS THE LONG-TERM
PROTECTION OF THE BUSINESS OF CONGREGATION RODEPH SHOLOM.
WE HEARD ABOUT THE BUSINESS THAT'S NEXT DOOR BAYSHORE

GARDENS.
I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT RODEPH SHOLOM, YES, WE ARE A
CONGREGATION.
WE'RE ALSO A BUSINESS.
WE ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF PROVIDING RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION,
RELIGIOUS SERVICE TO OUR JEWISH COMMUNITY.
AND WE JUST CELEBRATED, AS YOU HEARD, OUR 120th
ANNIVERSARY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF ECONOMIC STUDIES THAT HAVE SHOWN
A DECLINE IN PHILANTHROPIC GIVING ALL TO CHARITABLE
ORGANIZATIONS TO CHURCHES, SYNAGOGUES, AND OTHER FAITH-BASED
AND OTHER TYPES OF WE CALL IT SADAKA, BUT OTHER TYPES OF
ORGANIZATIONS THAT PROVIDE CHARITABLE SERVICES.
THIS IS TRUE ESPECIALLY SINCE THE YEAR 2000.
FOR CONGREGATION RODEPH SHOLOM, THAT MEANS THAT OUR AGING
BUILDING AND OUR ABILITY TO SUPPORT QUALITY PROGRAMMING TO
CONTINUE AND BRING IN QUALITY LEADERSHIP TO OUR PULPIT WILL
ULTIMATELY BE BURDENED BY THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A BIGGER
CHALLENGE RAISING MONEY.
WE HAVE HAD A HUGE NEED TO INCREASE SECURITY AT OUR
SYNAGOGUE.
I GO EVERY FRIDAY NIGHT.
EVERY FRIDAY NIGHT THERE ARE GUARDS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE
OUTSIDE OUR BUILDING TO PROTECT US.
FOR THESE REASONS, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IT

MEANS TO OUR CONGREGATION.
I KNOW THERE WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT PARKING.
IN REALITY, PARKING IS GOING TO BE A MUCH EASIER SITUATION.
WE ARE OUT OF PROPERTY.
THE GARDEN CLUB DOES NOT LET US PARK NEXT DOOR DURING OUR
HOLY DAYS ANYMORE.
I THINK THEY EVEN TOWED CARS RECENTLY.
AND WE NEED MORE PARKING.
THIS PROJECT GIVES US MORE PARKING.
11:29:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:29:43PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MS. WALK, DO YOU HAVE YOUR NUMBER WITH YOU.
11:29:47PM >> ONE, I PUT IT RIGHT HERE.
11:29:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU, JUST A REMINDER FOR THOSE PEOPLE
WHEN THEY COME UP AND THEIR NAME IS CALLED, IF THEY COULD
PUT THE NUMBER IN THERE.
THAT IS THE REQUEST.
11:29:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER IS MICHELLE VATALARA.
JUST DROP THE NUMBER IN THE BIN.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:30:08PM >> MY NAME IS MICHELLE VATALARO, PAST PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA
GARDEN CLUB AND MEMBER OF THE CURRENT BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
I'VE LISTENED TO THE PRESENTATION BY THE RELATED GROUP.
WHAT I'M STILL WAITING FOR AND WHAT I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE
TOLD US IS WHAT IS THE VALUE OF THIS PROJECT TO THE

COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE?
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE EVIDENCE OF
PUBLIC VALUE ATTACHED TO CHANGING PD DESIGNATION.
WE KNOW THAT THE 40 NEW OWNERS WHO CAN AFFORD THE MILLIONS
TO BUY THESE UNITS WILL NOW HAVE A BAYSHORE VIEW.
WE KNOW THAT THE SYNAGOGUE WILL GET FUNDING FOR MEMBERSHIP
OUT OF THIS.
WHAT DO THE REST OF US GET?
WE HAVEN'T HEARD MENTION OF EVEN ONE WAY IN WHICH THIS
EYESORE IS GOING TO BE A BENEFIT TO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
THIS COMMERCIAL-STYLE BUILDING IS NOT PART OF A BUSINESS
CENTER AS IS ALTURA.
IT PROVIDES NO PURPOSE SUCH AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING, SUCH AS
THE PRESBYTERIAN APARTMENTS DO.
IT MAKES NO EFFORT TO BLEND INTO THE SURROUNDING
NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS COMPRISED OF LOW-RISE, TRADITIONAL
HOMES, MANY OF WHICH ARE OVER A HUNDRED YEARS OLD.
THIS BUILDING LOOKS LIKE IT WAS DESIGNED FOR MIAMI BEACH OR
SOME OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE IS NO THOUGHT EVEN GIVEN TO A MINIMUM OF ARCHITECTURAL
INTEREST.
THERE ARE NO BENEFITS FOR THE COMMUNITY DESCRIBED EXCEPT FOR
THE WEALTHY.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR HARM.
THE HARM TO TAMPA GARDEN CLUB IS REAL.

WE ARE A NONPROFIT CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION THAT UTILIZES
PROPERTY NOT ONLY TO PROTECT GREENSPACE IN TAMPA, BUT TO
GENERATE FUNDS WHICH ARE GIVEN BACK TO THE COMMUNITY IN
VARIOUS WAYS.
THIS MENACING TOWER IS ALREADY THREATENING OUR FUTURE
BUSINESS AND RELOCATION OF OUR CLUB IS NOT AN OPTION.
NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND BELIEVES THAT THIS PROJECT
CONTAINS ENOUGH PARKING SPACES FOR THE RESIDENTS OR THE
TEMPLE MEMBERS.
RELATED AND THE SYNAGOGUE ARE ALREADY ASKING US TO PARK CARS
AT THE GARDEN CLUB.
THE SANCTUARY WAS BUILT UNDER THE TENURE OF MY PRESIDENCY.
THEY HAVE ALWAYS NEEDED PARKING SPACES DURING THEIR
CONSTRUCTION, AND THEY ARE STILL ASKING US FOR SPACES.
HISTORICALLY THE GARDEN CLUB HAS PROVIDED OVERFLOW PARKING
FOR THE NEIGHBORS, BUT WE HAVE CLIENTS WHO RENT OUR BUSINESS
AND WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO BE WORKING AS A FULL-TIME COMMUNITY
PARKING LOT BECAUSE NO OTHER PUBLIC PARKING HAS BEEN MADE
AVAILABLE BY THE CITY.
OUR LOT DID NOT USED TO BE A SAND LOT.
THE HEAVY USE OF IT HAS TURNED IT INTO A SANDPIT.
THE TRUCKS THAT PARK IN OUR LOT BREAK OUR IRRIGATION PIPES.
THEY DRIVE OVER OUR SHRUBS AND THEY LITTER US WITH TRASH.
WE HAD PLANS TO RELANDSCAPE THREE YEARS AGO AND DEVELOP AN
EDUCATIONAL GARDEN BUT THOSE PLANS HAVE BEEN PLACED ON HOLD.

SO I ASK THAT CITY COUNCIL TAKE A COMPREHENSIVE LOOK INTO
THESE PROBLEMS PRIOR TO ADDING TO THEM.
THERE ARE OTHER AREAS OF TAMPA WITH MORE SPACE FOR
DEVELOPMENT, NOT EVERYONE CAN HAVE A BAYSHORE ADDRESS.
AGAIN, TELL ME, WHAT IS THE BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY AS A
WHOLE?
AND I RESENT THE COMMENT THAT THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB HAS
ENGAGED IN ANTI-SEMITIC BEHAVIOR.
[ APPLAUSE ]
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
11:33:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ENOUGH.
PERSON NUMBER 4 IS TIM EVERETT.
PLEASE DROP YOUR NUMBER IN THE CONTAINER.
11:33:43PM >> THANK YOU.
TIM EVERETT.
I LIVE AT 2719 YSABELLA, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET
FROM THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
A COUPLE OF THINGS, NUMBER ONE, THANK YOU, MR. PRESSMAN, FOR
USE OF THIS PHOTOGRAPH.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE ALTURA, WHICH IS LOCATED RIGHT
THERE.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED NEW SITE HERE, AND THIS IS WHERE I LIVE
RIGHT HERE.
I LIVE IN A TWO-BEDROOM TOWN HOUSE.

AND IF THIS NEW PROJECT GOES THROUGH, OUR TOWN HOUSE
COMMUNITY THERE WILL BE VIRTUALLY BLOCKED FROM THE SUN.
ALTURA IS TO THE SOUTH, WHICH IS BLOCKING US FROM ANY
SUNSHINE THERE.
THE NEW PROJECT WILL BLOCK US FROM EAST.
WE WON'T GET ANY SUNRISE AT ALL.
IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY PROBLEMATIC JUST FROM A LIVING
STANDPOINT.
I HEARD ONE OF THE MEMBERS SAY I TRY TO PUT MYSELF IN THEIR
SHOES IF I LIVE THERE.
PUT YOURSELF IN MY SHOES.
I'M LIVING THERE AND I'M GOING TO BE BLOCKED BY TWO GIANT
HIGH-RISE BUILDINGS.
THE OTHER THING IS GOING TO BE TRAFFIC.
I'M KIND OF SURPRISED THAT THERE'S NOT A TRAFFIC STUDY BEING
DONE ON THIS.
GIVEN THE FACT THAT ALTURA IS GOING TO HAVE 67 RESIDENCES
AND THIS NEW PROJECT WILL HAVE, WHAT, 42, 44 RESIDENCES.
THAT TRAFFIC COMING DOWN YSABELLA TO BAY TO BAY, RIGHT NOW,
YOU CAN'T GET ONTO BAY TO BAY EASILY BECAUSE IT'S ALL BACKED
UP AT MacDILL.
SO I THINK AT THE VERY LEAST TRAFFIC STUDY NEEDS TO BE DONE
TO SEE WHETHER THIS IS EVEN FEASIBLE FROM A TRAFFIC
STANDPOINT.
ALSO FROM AN EVACUATION STANDPOINT, DURING A STORM.

I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR ALL OF US TO GET OUT
OF THERE AT THAT TIME.
THOSE ARE REALLY THE MAIN ISSUES I HAVE WITH THE PROJECT.
I UNDERSTAND THE BUILDER HAS THE RIGHT TO BUILD, BUT I JUST
THINK IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE
NEIGHBORHOOD AND PARTICULARLY OUR TOWN HOUSE COMMUNITY AND
THE TOWN HOUSE COMMUNITY ACROSS BARCELONA THERE.
I'M OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT AND I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD
VOTE AGAINST IT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
11:35:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
NEXT IS ADRIENNE VAN HEIST.
PLEASE TAKE YOUR NUMBER AND DROP IT IN THE CONTAINER AND
STATE YOUR NAME.
11:36:10PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING TO ME AND I'M HERE --
11:36:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, SIR.
11:36:18PM >> I'M SORRY.
MY NAME IS ADRIAN VAN HEIST.
IN MY REMARKS, I PLAN TO FOCUS ON THE PEOPLE WHERE I LIVE,
BAYSHORE PRESBYTERIAN APARTMENTS.
WE ARE AT 2909 WEST BAYSHORE -- OR BARCELONA STREET.
IT IS A SPECIAL COMMUNITY WHERE I LIVE.
MANY OF THE RESIDENTS THAT I AM WITH TONIGHT LIVE THERE AS
WELL.

IT'S A SPECIAL COMMUNITY OF ABOUT 200 RESIDENTS.
AND THEY COME FROM ALL PARTS OF THE UNITED STATES.
AND THEY HAVE MANY DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS -- TEACHERS, OFFICE
WORKERS, LABORERS, SOME HAVE WORKED IN INDUSTRY IN
MANUFACTURING AND THE LIST CAN GO ON AND ON.
THERE IS A LOT OF VARIETY IN THAT COMMUNITY WHERE WE LIVE.
THERE'S A LOT OF VARIETY BUT ONE THING WE HAVE IN COMMON FOR
THE MAJORITY, WE'RE ON THE OLDER SIDE.
WITH MOST OF US BEING WELL OVER 70 AND SO WE'RE IN THE
TWILIGHT YEARS OF OUR LIFE.
SOME HAVE LIVED IN OUR COMMUNITY AT BAYSHORE PRESBYTERIAN
FOR 20 YEARS.
IN OUR ADVANCING YEARS, THERE ARE LIMITATIONS THAT COME WITH
THAT.
WE MAY DRIVE LESS, BUT WE MAY WALK MORE.
OUR WALKING FOR EXERCISE FOR OURSELVES AND OUR PETS TAKES US
AROUND OUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD AND OUR PETS KNOW EXACTLY
WHERE ALL THE FIRE HYDRANTS ARE.
THE POINT THAT I AM TRYING TO MAKE IS THIS.
THAT IN OUR RESIDENCE AND IN OUR CLOSE SURROUNDINGS, WE HAVE
A SITUATION THAT AFFECTS THE QUALITY OF OUR LIVES.
AND THERE IS LITTLE THAT CAN SURPASS THE BEAUTY OF A SUNRISE
AS THE BEAMS OF LIGHT THAT SHIMMER ACROSS THE BAY OBSERVED
BY MANY FROM THEIR APARTMENT WINDOWS.
YES, THEY ARE GOING TO BE LOSING THAT.

AND SO THIS IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE ARE THE ELDERLY, AND
I HAVE HEARD IT SAID THAT A COMMUNITY IS JUDGED BY THE WAY
IT TREATS ITS ELDERS.
YOU ARE OUR CITY COUNCIL.
WILL TAMPA BE KNOWN THAT IT TREATS ITS SENIOR CITIZENS WELL?
THAT IS OUR QUESTION.
THANK YOU.
11:39:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT IS SIDEL VOGEL.
YES, MA'AM.
PLEASE PUT YOUR NUMBER IN THE BASKET AND STATE YOUR NAME.
11:39:29PM >> MY NAME IS SIDEL ENVOGEL.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING REALLY IMPORTANT.
SINCE I LIVE AT AN OVER 65 BUILDING ON BAYSHORE OR NEAR
BAYSHORE, I WANT TO SAY THAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
WE HAVE AMBULANCES.
WE HAVE FIRE TRUCKS, AND WE HAVE POLICE COMING TO OUR
BUILDING MORE THAN ONCE A DAY.
NOW, IF WE HAD THIS BIG BUILDING, WE'D NEVER -- WE'D HAVE A
LOT OF DEAD PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET THERE IN TIME.
IT'S HARD ENOUGH TO GET INTO OUR BUILDING BECAUSE WE HAVE
ONLY TWO ELEVATORS, NONE OF WHICH IS FREIGHT.
SO IF THE FREIGHT ELEVATOR IS USED, WE HAVE ONE ELEVATOR.
HEALTH IS AT AN ESSENCE.
I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF TAMPA FOR SOMETHING LIKE 65 YEARS.

I'VE SEEN TAMPA GROW.
SOMETIMES TO THE BETTERMENT AND SOMETIMES NOT.
BUT IN OUR INSTANCE, WE HAVE NO PLACE TO PUT AMBULANCES OR
GET INTO THE PARKING LOT.
IF YOU FIGURE IT OUT WHEN WE HAVE GASPARILLA OF 500,000
PEOPLE COMING, OKAY, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PUT THESE CARS?
THEY CAN'T COME INTO OUR SPOT, BUT THEY TRY.
THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT AVENUES, DIFFERENT THINGS THAT
ARE HAPPENING ON THIS PARTICULAR STREET.
I WOULD VOTE NO FOR THIS.
11:41:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:41:17PM >> THANK YOU.
11:41:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
NEXT IS MARIA GRASSIANO.
YES, MA'AM.
11:41:27PM >> THANK YOU.
MY NAME IS MARIA GRAZIANO, I'M ALSO A RESIDENT OF BAYSHORE
PRESBYTERIAN SENIOR APARTMENTS.
YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN SAYING JUST PRESBYTERIAN APARTMENTS.
IT'S SENIOR APARTMENTS.
SECONDLY, I VERY MUCH RESENT BEING TOLD ANTI-SEMITIC AS A
NEIGHBOR, WHICH I AM NOT.
11:41:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MA'AM, PLEASE FOCUS YOUR ATTENTION TO
US.
11:41:53PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN, STOP THE TIME.

MA'AM, I'M GOING TO MAKE THIS COMMENT GENERALLY TO EVERYBODY
BUT CERTAINLY DOES APPLY IN THIS CASE.
PLEASE DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND TO THIS
BODY HERE AND PLEASE FACE FORWARD SO THAT THE MIKE CAN PICK
UP YOUR VOICE SO IT CAN BE RECORDED AND BROADCAST.
11:42:14PM >> CAN I PROJECT.
I CAN PROJECT.
I AM 81 YEARS OLD AND LOVING MY LIFE AT BAYSHORE
PRESBYTERIAN SENIOR APARTMENTS.
I DECIDED BACK IN 1992 THAT WHEN I GOT OLD ENOUGH I WOULD
MOVE THERE.
AND I HAVE FULFILLED THAT WISH.
NOW BECAUSE OF ALL THIS CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING ON, WE
HAVE A PROBLEM.
YSABELLA IS A VERY NARROW TWO-LANE STREET.
YOU HAVE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES NOW WITH ALTURA.
BUT THEY DON'T COME ALL THE WAY TO OUR BUILDING.
BUT WITH THIS NEW CONSTRUCTION THEY WOULD BE THERE AT OUR
BUILDING.
WE WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT TO THE ROADS THAT I DON'T KNOW IF
ANYONE HAS CONSIDERED IT.
I KNOW THERE HASN'T BEEN A TRAFFIC STUDY.
SECONDLY, I DON'T THINK ANYONE HAS STOPPED TO SEE WHAT THE
IMPACT IS SO THE ACTUAL ROADBED AND THE ROAD MATERIALS.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE HEAVY EQUIPMENT.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TRACTOR TRAILERS DELIVERING.
WHEN THEY START LAYING FOUNDATIONS OR PUTTING IN THE PILLARS
AND CAISSONS, THEY ARE GOING TO BE POUNDING, AND I DON'T
KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE EVER LIVED WHEN THEY ARE POUNDING
FOR HOURS DAY AFTER DAY, MONTHS AT A TIME.
I'M SURE IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO BE FOUR PILLARS.
IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH MORE THAN THAT FOR THE SIZE OF THAT
BUILDING.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BEEN CONSIDERED.
AND THE DAMAGE THAT THAT WILL DO, NOT JUST TO DISTURBING OUR
PIECE AND QUIET AND QUALITY OF LIFE AS RESIDENTS OF THE
CITY, FORGET THAT WE'RE ELDERLY, BUT THE FACT THAT IT'S
GOING TO TOTALLY DISTURB OUR WAY OF LIFE, THAT IS DISTURBING
AND IMPACTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS PART OF THE CODE.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED.
MY SECOND CONCERN IS SEWER AND WATER.
ANYBODY THAT'S LIVED ON BAYSHORE KNOWS THAT IS NOT UP TO
DATE FOR THE KIND OF QUANTITY OF BUILDINGS AND RESIDENCES
THAT ARE GOING IN, WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING IN TOWERS WITH THAT
MANY RESIDENTS OR PEOPLE MOVING IN, THAT'S AN IMPACT ON THE
SEWER -- OKAY, WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME.
MY LAST CONCERN WAS EVACUATION, WHICH HAS BEEN COMMENTED ON,
BECAUSE WE HAVE A MANDATORY EVACUATION IN THAT AREA.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
I HOPE YOU WILL CONSIDER ALL THE THOUGHTS THAT WE HAVE GIVEN

TO YOU TODAY.
11:44:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT UP IS PAMELA CARPENTER.
IS THERE A PAMELA CARPENTER HERE?
11:44:55PM >> I'M 9.
DO YOU HAVE A NUMBER 8?
11:44:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU'RE NUMBER 9.
WE'RE AT NUMBER 9, CHARLES GAUTHIER WAS NUMBER 8.
SO COME ON UP.
PLEASE PUT THE NUMBER IN THE BUCKET.
11:45:12PM >> I HAVE A COPY OF MY PRESENTATION.
I HAVE A LOT OF PICTURES.
IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU CAN READ THE WORDS IF I DON'T GET
TO ALL OF THEM.
PAMELA CARPENTER, 24 YEARS ON YSABELLA, MY EXPERT TESTIMONY
IS ONLY WHAT I KNOW FROM LIVING ON THE STREET.
I DIDN'T ACTUALLY GET TO COMPARE NOTES WITH A LOT OF THE
SPEAKERS, BUT I HAVE COME TO SOME OF THE SAME CONCLUSIONS.
I WANT TO START WITH THE RENDERING OF THE PROSPECTIVE
BUILDING.
THIS IS YSABELLA, EVEN THOUGH WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT
BAYSHORE, THE BUILDING ITSELF, THE MASSIVE BUILDING IS ON
YSABELLA.
KEEP YOUR EYE ON THIS LITTLE GREEN AREA HERE.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US AND SOME OF THE SPEAKERS THAT YOU

ALREADY HEARD.
SO THAT VIEW IS GOING SOUTH.
I ASK YOU TO TURN AROUND IN THAT SAME GRASSY AREA AND LOOK
NORTH.
AND THIS IS WHAT YOU WILL SEE.
YOU WILL SEE YSABELLA -- YOU CAN'T SEE EVEN THE CENTER LINE
THERE.
THERE'S NO SIDEWALK ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, WHICH WOULD BE
THE WEST SIDE.
YOU THEN COME ONTO HOMES THAT LOOK LIKE THEY SHOULD BE IN
CHARLESTON OR SAVANNAH.
YOU THEN COME DOWN TO THE CORNER OF PALM, 200 YARDS AWAY ARE
HOMES THAT ARE A HUNDRED YEARS OLD.
FURTHER INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU WILL SEE SINGLE-FAMILY
HOMES AND RESIDENCES.
YES, WE HAVE TOWNHOMES.
YES, WE HAVE SOME APARTMENTS, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF
SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
NOT AS MANY AS WE USED TO.
THE STREET, MOODY ITSELF HAS LOST SIX OF ITS BUNGALOWS.
IT'S ONLY A TWO-BLOCK AREA.
THEY ARE NOW DUPLEXES.
YOU'VE HAD SOME CONCERNS FROM SEVERAL OF US ABOUT OUR
STREETS.
THIS IS A VIEW, NOW I'M LOOKING SOUTH AGAIN ON YSABELLA.

THE GARDEN CLUB IS BASICALLY IN THIS AREA, AND THE PICTURE
ON THE RIGHT, THE PRESBYTERIAN TOWER IS ON THE RIGHT.
THEY HAVE NO SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE PRESBYTERIAN TOWER
TODAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHY.
THEY JUST NEVER GOT ONE.
SO IN THE FIRST REPORT OVER A YEAR AGO, BECAUSE THIS IS THE
THIRD TIME WE'VE BEEN HERE IN JUST A YEAR, WHICH AMAZING,
THEY SAID THERE WERE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES.
THERE ARE NOT SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES.
DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM WHERE THIS IS BEING PROPOSED THERE IS
NO SIDEWALK.
SO I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A BIT OF A PROBLEM IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN CONSTRUCTION WOULD START AS TO HOW WE
WOULD ACTUALLY GET UP AND DOWN OUR STREET.
AGAIN, AND THERE HAS BEEN A VERY GENEROUS OFFER FROM RELATED
TO DO PAVING, AND I THINK THAT'S GREAT, BUT THE PROJECT
WOULDN'T START UNTIL 2026.
THAT MEANS THE PAVING OF THE STREET WOULDN'T HAPPEN UNTIL
2029.
I DID MY OWN ANALYSIS ON THE TOWERS, AND I JUST WANT YOU TO
LOOK AT ONE NUMBER.
ON THE VACANT LOTS OF THE SIX BUILDING, SOMEONE ELSE
MENTIONED THE SIX TOWERS, SEVEN WOULD BE THE RELATED TOWER
FOR THE SYNAGOGUE.

THERE WERE TWO HOMES IN THAT AREA.
AS A RESULT OF THESE BUILDINGS ONLY, NOT EVERYTHING ELSE ON
BAYSHORE, JUST THESE SIX BUILDINGS, THE NET INCREASE IN
RESIDENCES IS 208.
I'M SORRY THE TRANSPORTATION GENTLEMAN IS NOT HERE, BUT I DO
BELIEVE IT NEEDS A MOBILITY STUDY BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF
ADDITIONAL UNITS.
YOU HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL PICTURES.
MY CONCLUSION IS THAT WE REALLY WANT TO SEE THE SYNAGOGUE
STAY ON BAYSHORE.
GARDEN CLUB TO THRIVE AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN R 35,
EIGHT STORY MEDIUM DENSITY BUILDING PROPOSED.
11:48:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER IS LLOYD STERN.
HE ALREADY SPOKE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
DONELDA GALLAGLY.
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND DROP THE NUMBER
THERE.
11:49:09PM >> MY NAME IS DONELDA GALLAGLY.
I LIVE 2542 WEST PALM DRIVE.
THIS IS A SMALL CONDO BUILDING JUST THREE STORIES TALL WITH
ONLY EIGHT UNITS IN IT AND IT BACKS DIRECTLY ON TO FRED BALL
PARK.
I'M A CITIZEN AND A RESIDENT OF THE AREA THAT WILL BE

NEGATIVELY AFFECTED BY THE BUILDING OF THE RELATED PROJECT
ON THE SYNAGOGUE PROPERTY.
WE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE ENDURED CONTINUOUS CONDO
CONSTRUCTION FOR THE LAST MANY YEARS.
THE DISRUPTIONS THE BUILDING OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS HAVE
CAUSED US INCLUDE WE CAN'T GET ON TO BAY TO BAY FROM
YSABELLA OR OFF BAY TO BAY TO YSABELLA WITHOUT LONG WAITS
FOR AN OPENING IN THE TRAFFIC.
THE STRETCH OF BAY TO BAY FROM BAYSHORE TO MacDILL HAS A
CONGESTED TRAFFIC PATTERN THAT I BELIEVE VERGES ON UNSAFE.
YSABELLA IS TORN UP AND POTHOLED TO SOMETHING WORSE THAN A
THIRD-WORLD COUNTRY.
SINCE THERE'S NO CONTINUOUS SIDEWALK, WALKING IS A
CHALLENGE, IF NOT UNSAFE.
CONSTRUCTION CREWS ARBITRARILY STOP TRAFFIC ON YSABELLA AND
CAUSE UNPREDICTABLE DELAYS OF VARYING LENGTH SO THAT THEIR
GIANT TRUCKS, CRANES, AND MACHINES CAN GET IN AND OUT OF
THEIR SITES.
THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS PROJECT THAT YOU'VE HEARD OR
THAT YOU WILL HEAR TONIGHT THAT I DISAGREE WITH.
AS A GROUP, WE ARE WELL INFORMED AND WELL ORGANIZED.
WE'RE AWARE THAT WHATEVER FORM THE CURRENT RELATED PROJECT
PLAN HAS, IT WILL EXCEED IT, JUST AS IT HAS DONE WITH THE
RITZ-CARLTON PROJECT.
IN CLOSING, LET ME SHARE WITH YOU THAT I AM AN INFLUENCER.

WHOMEVER OF YOU VOTES IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT WILL
EXPERIENCE ME SPREADING THE WORD TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS THAT
YOUR PRIORITIES ARE INCREASING THE CITY TAX BASE, NULLIFYING
DEVELOPERS WANTING TO COME TO OUR AREA AND IGNORING THE
COMPREHENSIVE CITY PLAN AND CITY CODE.
IF YOU SUPPORT THIS PROJECT, I'LL TELL THEM THAT YOUR
PRIORITIES ARE NOT LISTENING TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND
REPRESENTING THE DEMONSTRATED WISHES OF NEIGHBORHOOD
RESIDENTS.
TO VOTE FOR THIS PROJECT IS IRRESPONSIBLE, AND YOU WOULD NOT
BE DOING THE JOB THAT YOU'VE BEEN ELECTED TO DO.
PLEASE, I BEG YOU, VOTE NO TO THIS PROJECT.
11:52:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT UP IS PAULA PERRY, NUMBER 12.
COME ON DOWN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:52:22PM >> PAULA PERRY.
11:52:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PUT YOUR NUMBER IN THE BIN.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
11:52:38PM >> GOOD EVENING.
RESIDENT OF TAMPA.
I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT FOR NEARLY 40 YEARS.
I WOULD LIKE TO ACTUALLY THANK RELATED.
THEY BROUGHT A SENSE OF UNITY TO OUR COMMUNITY.

ONCE AGAIN, WE ALL AGREE THIS BUILDING DOES NOT FIT.
IT DOESN'T WORK.
IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE WITH OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I HAVE SEVEN RESOLUTIONS IN OPPOSITION FROM NEIGHBORHOODS
AND COMMUNITY GROUPS.
THANKFULLY THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB, HISTORIC HYDE PARK, BEACH
PARK WOMAN'S CLUB, HARBOUR ISLAND COMMUNITY SERVICES
ASSOCIATION, BEACH PARK HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, SOUTH
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OF HARBOUR ISLAND AND BAYSHORE TOWN
HOUSE OWNERS ASSOCIATION.
AND WE HAVE OVER 1800 RESIDENTS THAT HAVE SIGNED A PETITION
AND E-MAILED LETTERS IN OPPOSITION TO IT.
IT JUST SHOWS IT'S A BROADER SUPPORT AND THAT WE ARE OPPOSED
TO IT.
THE PROJECT'S TOTAL HEIGHT IS 349 FEET.
I REACHED OUT, IT WAS NOT ON THE SITE PLAN.
I ASKED LaCHONE DOCK AND SHE E-MAILED ME LATE LAST WEEK,
SO IT'S 349 FEET.
I'LL SHARE THE E-MAIL.
IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED PD FOR PLACE OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY WITH
FUTURE LAND USE OF R 35.
IT'S NOT ZONED RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S IN A FEMA FLOOD ZONE WITH COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
THEY REQUEST BUILDING THIS IMPOSINGLY TALL TOWER 26 STORIES,
42 UNITS ON 1.43 ACRES WITH MORE THAN 275,000 SQUARE FEET OF

LIVING SPACE.
IN ADDITION, THE APPLICANT REQUESTS PERMISSION TO MAKE
IMPROVEMENTS TO BARCELONA AND YSABELLA STREETS.
THIS COULD PROVE DETRIMENTAL TO THE ENTIRE BAYSHORE GARDENS
NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH COULD RESULT IN A LOSS OF ACCESS TO THE
IMPORTANT CITY STREETS WHILE THE PROJECTS ARE STAGED FOR THE
DURATION OF CONSTRUCTION.
APPROVING THIS APPLICATION GRANTS THE APPLICANT LEGAL
ENTITLEMENTS.
IN ADDITION TO ENTITLEMENTS, ANY CHANGES TO THE SITE PLANS
CONSIDERED NON-SUBSTANTIAL CAN BE APPROVED BY THE CITY OF
TAMPA ADMINISTRATOR ALONE.
THIS ACTUALLY OCCURRED BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND HEARINGS
FOR THE RELATED RITZ TOWER PROJECTS ON SANTIAGO, WHICH
INCLUDED BUT WAS NOT LIMITED TO AN INCREASE IN HEIGHT,
NUMBER OF UNITS, REDUCTION OF SETBACKS AND REDUCTION OF
GRAND TREES AND GREENSPACE.
THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF PARKING.
THE RODEPH SHOLOM SYNAGOGUE APPLIED FOR A PD CHANGE,
REZONING AND TWO DESIGN EXCEPTIONS IN 2015 AND 2016 FOR THE
BARCELONA PARCEL THAT HAD SERVED AS PARKING FOR THE
CONGREGATION.
THEY RECEIVED 30 SPACE PARKING WAIVER AND WE, THE GARDEN
CLUB, HAVE TRIED TO HELP ALLEVIATE THE SHORTAGE OF PARKING
BY GRANTING THEM FREE PARKING DURING EARLY MORNING SERVICES,

HIGH HOLY DAYS, PRESCHOOL EVENTS, FUNERALS, OTHER
GATHERINGS.
SO LONG AS IT DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH THE RENTAL OF OUR
VENUE AND PARKING.
ALLOWING THIS TO YOU WE'RE DEVASTATE OUR VENUE AND OUR TAMPA
GARDEN CLUB HAS WORKED SO HARD TO BUILD.
I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOU TO DENY THIS APPLICATION.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND YOUR LATE EVENING.
THANK YOU.
11:55:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AS LONG AS WE GET OUT BY 7:30 I CAN TAKE MY YOUNGEST TO
SCHOOL, I'M FINE.
11:55:49PM >> I HAVE SOME THINGS TO ENTER IN THE RECORD.
11:55:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE GIVE IT TO THE ATTORNEY.
NEXT SPEAKER IS NUMBER 13, ABE MARCADES.
A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM WITH FOUR PEOPLE.
YES, SIR, PLEASE GIVE THE LIST TO THE ATTORNEY AND HE'S
GOING TO READ THE NAMES OFF.
YOUR NAME, SIR, IS.
11:56:37PM >> MY NAME IS DR. ABE MARCADES.
THREE NAMES.
STEVE KREITZER, MARK MILLER, FRANCINE LEVINE.
FRANCINE LEVINE AND STEVE KREITZER.
11:57:08PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
HAVE YOU SIGNED ANY OTHER SPEAKER WAIVER
FORM?

11:57:13PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
11:57:24PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SIX MINUTES TOTAL.
11:57:25PM >> THANK YOU.
MY NAME IS DR. ABE MARCADES.
2619 BAYSHORE BOULEVARD NEXT TO FRED BALL PARK AND LESS THAN
A BLOCK FROM THE PROPERTY.
I'M A FOURTH GENERATION TAMPA NATIVE AND A LIFELONG MEMBER,
PAST PRESIDENT AND CURRENT BOARD MEMBER OF RODEPH SHOLOM.
THIS PROPOSAL SHOULD BE APPROVED FOR SEVERAL REASONS.
THIS PLAN BALANCES RESPONSIBLE GROWTH WITH ENHANCING MY
NEIGHBORHOOD.
I HAVE A UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE AS NOT JUST A MEMBER OF
CONGREGATION RODEPH SHOLOM BUT ALSO AS A NEIGHBOR.
I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I HAVE AN INTEREST IN SEEING
MY NEIGHBORHOOD BENEFIT FROM THE ENHANCEMENTS AND
RESPONSIBLE GROWTH THAT RELATED HAS TO OFFER.
THIS PLAN OFFERS A SENSIBLE SOLUTION AND AVOIDS ANOTHER
MASSIVE BUILDING DIRECTLY ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
IT IMPROVES THE LANDSCAPING, THE SIDEWALKS, AND CROSSWALKS.
RELATED FUNDS WILL HELP ENHANCE FRED BALL PARK.
ALLOWS MORE TAMPA CITIZENS TO ENJOY OUR SPECIAL WATERFRONT.
IN ADDITION, THE CITY CURRENTLY IS RECEIVING NO TAX DOLLARS
FROM THIS VALUABLE PIECE OF REAL ESTATE.
THIS PLAN WILL BRING INCREASED REVENUE FOR TAMPA AND
STRENGTHEN OUR TAX BASE.

SECONDLY, THIS PLAN IS GOOD FOR TAMPA BUT IS ALSO VITAL FOR
RODEPH SHOLOM.
RODEPH SHOLOM IS ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD AS A LANDMARK, ALONG
WITH THE PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, A CATHOLIC SCHOOL, RODEPH
SHOLOM'S JEWISH PRESENCE ON BAYSHORE REFLECTS THE DIVERSITY
AND TOLERANCE THAT TAMPA IS KNOWN FOR.
BUT AS A SMALL MINORITY, STAYING FINANCIALLY VIABLE AND
REMAINING AT THE PRESENT LOCATION HAS INCREASINGLY BECOME A
CHALLENGE.
THIS PLAN ALLOWS RODEPH SHOLOM TO ESTABLISH AN ENDOWMENT TO
REMAIN ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD FOR MANY YEARS TO COME.
THIRDLY, THIS PROPERTY IS NOT BEING UTILIZED AT ITS HIGHEST
AND BEST USE.
THE UNDERLYING REASON THAT THIS ISSUE IS SO PROBLEMATIC IS
THAT A JEWISH SYNAGOGUE ON THE PROPERTY IS NOT THE HIGHEST
AND BEST USE OF THIS LAND.
THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE WOULD PROBABLY BE TO DEVELOP THE
ENTIRE PROPERTY WITH THE LARGEST CONDOMINIUM THAT THE LAND
WILL SUPPORT.
RODEPH SHOLOM IS SITUATED ON LAND THAT IS MUCH MORE VALUABLE
TO A DEVELOPER THAN IT IS TO A JEWISH CONGREGATION.
IT MAKES NO SENSE TO RODEPH SHOLOM TO CONTINUE TO TIE UP ITS
EQUITY IN THIS EXPENSIVE REAL ESTATE WHEN IT NEEDS THE FUNDS
TO EXIST.
WITHOUT THIS DEAL, IT IS NOT PRACTICAL FOR RODEPH SHOLOM TO

REMAIN ON THIS PROPERTY.
THE LAND IS SIMPLY TOO VALUABLE.
UNLESS WE ALL BELIEVE THAT AN AGING JEWISH SYNAGOGUE AND A
LITTLE PINK HOUSE SHOVED INTO THE CORNER IS THE BEST USE FOR
THIS PROPERTY THEN THIS LAND WILL BECOME SOMETHING ELSE AND
IF RODEPH SHOLOM IS NOT THERE TO MODERATE THE PLAN, THE
ENTIRE PROPERTY WILL DEVELOP TO ITS HIGHEST AND BEST USE.
AS NEIGHBORS, WE SHOULD ALL BE CONCERNED WITH THE
CONSEQUENCES.
RODEPH SHOLOM HAS TURNED DOWN NUMEROUS OFFERS TO SELL THE
ENTIRE PROPERTY FOR SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN THE CURRENT ONE.
BUT EVENTUALLY THE CONGREGATION WILL BE FORCED TO REALIZE
SOME OF ITS LAND VALUE BY SELLING EITHER A PORTION OF THE
PROPERTY OR THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.
WITH THIS RELATED PLAN, RODEPH SHOLOM WILL BE ABLE TO
REALIZE A PORTION OF THE LAND VALUE WITHOUT RESORTING TO
DEVELOPMENT OF THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.
THIS PLAN BALANCES RODEPH SHOLOM'S NEEDS WITH THE LEAST
DISRUPTION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
FINALLY, LARGER PROJECTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED IN THE
AREA.
FROM WHERE I LIVE NEXT TO FRED BALL PARK, I CAN SEE AT LEAST
THREE OTHER PROJECTS, BUILDINGS OF A MUCH LARGER SCALE THAT
ARE CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION NEAR THE PROPERTY.
UNLESS THE CITY DECIDES THAT NO FURTHER GROWTH IS PLANNED

FOR BAYSHORE BOULEVARD, DENYING THIS MORE LIMITED PROPOSAL
WHILE ALLOWING LARGER ONES TO PROCEED UNFAIRLY DISADVANTAGES
THE CONGREGATION AND MANY LONGTIME TAMPA RESIDENTS WHO WANT
TO MAKE THE BEST USE OF THEIR PROPERTY FOR THEIR FUTURE.
RELATED'S PLAN TO TAKE AN EMPTY PARKING LOT AND TURN IT INTO
RESIDENCES WOULD GIVE TAMPA CITIZENS THE CHANCE TO ENJOY THE
BAYSHORE AREA.
IT WOULD ENHANCE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND PROVIDE FUNDS TO
BEAUTIFY FRED BALL PARK AND TO PROVIDE INCOME PRODUCING
PROPERTY FOR THE CITY.
THE PLAN IS A WIN FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE SYNAGOGUE, AND
THE CITY, AND IT SHOULD BE APPROVED.
TAMPA WILL CONTINUE TO GROW BUT REJECTING FURTHER
DEVELOPMENT TO KEEP THE STATUS QUO IS NOT AN OPTION.
LET'S BUILD A FUTURE THAT MAKES GROWTH -- BALANCES GROWTH
WITH WHAT MAKES OUR COMMUNITY SPECIAL.
PLEASE VOTE FOR THIS IN FAVOR OF THIS PROPOSAL.
12:02:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
JONATHAN MOORE, NUMBER 14.
12:02:22AM >> GOOD EVENING OR GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS JONATHAN MOORE.
1501 WEST CLEVELAND.
I'M PRESIDENT OF A LOCAL OWNERS REPRESENTATIVE FIRM.
I COME BEFORE YOU GUYS ON MANY REZONES.
I'VE BEEN A CONSULTANT OF CONGREGATION RODEPH, BUT TONIGHT

I'M HERE ON MY OWN TIME.
I'M A FLORIDA REGISTERED ARCHITECT AND I'VE WORKED ON OVER
500 PROJECTS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I FEEL THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS SMART DEVELOPMENT.
I FEEL IT'S GOOD FOR TAMPA AND RIGHT FOR THIS SITE.
WE TALK A LOT ABOUT COMMUNITY.
WE TALK A LOT ABOUT WORKING AROUND TREES, APPROPRIATE
DENSITY, SUSTAINABLE GROWTH.
THIS PROJECT IS ALL OF THOSE.
I WAS PRESENT FOR THE FIRST HEARING AND THE APPLICANT
LISTENED TO WHAT STAFF SAID.
THEY WENT BACK AND COMPLIED WITH MOST ALL OF THE REQUESTS.
THIS PROJECT SHOULD BE A SLAM-DUNK.
YOU HEARD STAFF FINDING THE PROJECT CONSISTENT.
SOME OF THE SPECIFIC CHANGES THAT INTEREST ME IS WE'RE NOW
PRESERVING ALL OF THE GRAND OAK TREES ON-SITE.
WE'RE RETAINING MORE THAN 50% OF THE REQUIRED LIVE TREES,
AND WITH REGARDS TO PARKING, REMEMBER, WE'RE REMOVING A 100
CHILD PRESCHOOL FROM THE SITE AND REPLACING IT WITH A 42
UNIT RESIDENTIAL PROJECT, A LESS DENSE PROJECT WHEN YOU TALK
ABOUT TRAFFIC.
I'M SO APPRECIATIVE FOR CITY COUNCIL FOR TAKING THE TIME TO
LISTEN TO EVERYBODY TONIGHT.
I THINK IT'S RUN FANTASTIC.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

I'M VERY PROUD TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO
DO THE SAME.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:04:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
NEXT IS PAULA MECKLEY, NUMBER 15.
12:04:25AM >> HELLO.
12:04:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:04:30AM >> I'M PAULA MECKLEY.
I AM THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB.
AND I LIVE ABOUT A MILE AWAY FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS VERY CLEAR ABOUT ENCOURAGING
DESIGN COMPATIBILITY BASED ON THE FORM OF THE SURROUNDING
BUILT ENVIRONMENT AND NATURAL FEATURES.
THIS PARTICULAR AREA OF BAYSHORE BOULEVARD IS A SPECIAL
PLACE WITH LOWER DENSITY DUE TO THE TOPOGRAPHY SURROUNDING
THE NATURAL SPRING AT FRED BALL PARK AND THE ABUNDANCE OF
THE GRAND OAK TREES SURROUNDING THE PROPERTIES LIKE THE
TAMPA GARDEN CLUB AND, YES, EVEN RODEPH SHOLOM'S LOW-PROFILE
SYNAGOGUE AND THEIR SCHOOL ADD TO THAT OPEN FEELING.
THESE PROPERTIES CREATE A PLACE SANDWICHED BETWEEN BAYSHORE
BOULEVARD AND THE CROSSTOWN EXPRESSWAY.
ISN'T THE GOAL OF DEVELOPMENT TO HAVE BALANCE?
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATES THAT.
WHEN DOES THE CREEP OF THESE ENORMOUS BUILDINGS STOP?
THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT IS DESTROYING EXISTING

NEIGHBORHOODS BY CHANGING THE FABRIC OF BAYSHORE BOULEVARD
NEIGHBORHOODS.
IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, POLICY NE 2.2.4 STATES THE FAIR
-- IN AREAS NOT TO EXCEED -- IN AREAS NOT EXPECTED TO TAKE
SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF GROWTH, AREAS OF STABILITY, ENCOURAGE
LIMITED SCOPES OF WORK THAT FOCUS ON SPECIFIC ISSUES OR
CONCERNS, RATHER THAN BROAD MULTI-FOCUSED PLANNING
PROCESSES.
ALL RIGHT.
SO LET'S LOOK AT THAT.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT SAYS THERE ARE TWO DISTRICTS.
SOUTH TAMPA AND NEW TAMPA.
AND THAT THESE CHARACTERISTICS CLEARLY SHOW LIMITED GROWTH
OPPORTUNITIES AND THAT THESE ARE AREAS OF STABILITY.
SO ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITIES THAT WOULD BE COMPROMISED BY
INCREASED URBANIZATION.
THAT'S US, LIMITED ACCESS TO TRANSPORTATION FACILITIES.
THAT'S US.
WHICH WOULD BE INEFFECTIVE TO IMPROVE.
THERE'S NO NEW STUFF COMING SOUTH OF KENNEDY FOR
TRANSPORTATION.
LIMITED OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE MORE COMMUNITY FACILITIES.
GETTING RID OF OPEN SPACES.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING.

WE'RE GETTING RID OF THESE OPEN SPACES.
AND OUR SERVICES, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FIREFIGHTERS.
WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH POLICE OFFICERS.
UNABLE TO -- THE FLOOD -- WE'RE IN A FLOOD ZONE.
THIS BUILDING WOULD BE IN A FLOOD ZONE.
LAND USE POLICY 1.2.3 SAYS RELATE NEW BUILDINGS AND
DEVELOPMENT TO THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND
COMMUNITY.
IF YOU CONTINUE TO ALLOW THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT, YOU CITY
COUNCIL ARE SINGLE-HANDEDLY CHANGING THE CONTEXT OF THIS
NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY.
THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB HAS REPEATEDLY, REPEATEDLY SAID WE'RE
NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE'VE TRIED TO DISCUSS A LESS INTRUSIVE BUILDING THAT
PROVIDES TRANSITION INTO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND
THEY WOULDN'T CONSIDER IT, WOULDN'T TALK TO US ABOUT IT.
SO, LOOK, PROMOTE PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENTS WITH THE HIGHEST
QUALITY OF EMPHASIS.
POLICY 1.2.16, AND IT SAYS THAT THAT GOES TO THE IDENTITY OF
EACH NEIGHBORHOOD.
PLEASE DENY THIS.
12:07:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
NEXT IS TRACY RILEY.
16, WHO HAS A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM WITH THREE PEOPLE I
BELIEVE.

PLEASE GIVE THE FORM TO THE ATTORNEY AND HE'LL READ OFF THE
NAMES.
12:08:00AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SHAWN RILEY.
MISSY STEDMAN.
NANCY NELSON.
THREE ADDITIONAL MINUTES.
TOTAL OF 6.
12:08:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:08:17AM >> MY NAME IS TRACY RILEY.
MEMBERS OF THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, GOOD EVENING OR GOOD
MORNING.
I'M HERE AS A DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ROSE GARDEN
CIRCLE AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN OF SOUTH TAMPA AND AS A
REPRESENTATIVE OF OVER 1700 SOUTH TAMPA RESIDENTS THAT
SIGNED THE PETITION AGAINST THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THERE IS SO MUCH ATTENTION FOCUSED ON THIS LITTLE PARK, I
FEEL LIKE IT WANTS ITS STORY TOLD.
IN 1845, FAMILIES OF CURRENT RESIDENTS CAME TO THE SPRING
BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED IT COULD HEAL THEIR AILMENTS.
AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE HISTORIC PHOTOS HERE, IN THE EARLY
1900s, IT BECAME A PUBLIC RECREATIONAL POOL WITH ITS OWN
TROLLEY STOP.
SADLY DUE TO RUMORS THAT TYPHOID WAS IN THE WATER, IT WAS
CLOSED AND CONCRETED OVER.
THEN COUNTY COMMISSIONER FRED BALL PURCHASED THE PARK FOR

THE COUNTY AND GAVE IT TO THE CITY WHERE IT REMAINED IN
DISREPAIR UNTIL 1988 WHEN ROSE CIRCLE OFFICIALLY ADOPTED IT
AND DECIDED TO RAISE THE MONEY TO BUILD FRED BALL PARK AND
EXCAVATE PALMA CEIA SPRING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY.
WE WOULD THE CITY OF TAMPA PARKS AND RECREATION HAVE BEEN
THE PARK'S LONG-TERM CARETAKERS EVER SINCE.
IT WAS RECENTLY WRITTEN IN THE TAMPA BAY TIMES THAT THE PARK
NEEDS SOME WORK.
IT NEEDS SOME LOVE.
THIS IS ONE ITEM WE CAN CERTAINLY ALL AGREE ON AS THE
PRIMARY REASON THAT THE PARK NEEDS WORK IS BECAUSE THE REAL
ESTATE DEVELOPER OF THE SANCTUARY DESTROYED THE PARK DURING
THE BUILDING'S CONSTRUCTION.
THE DEVELOPER PROMISED TO FIX THE DAMAGE AND MAKE THE PARK
ADA COMPLIANT BUT THOSE PROMISES NEVER CAME TO FRUITION AND
THE DEVELOPER WAS NEVER HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEM.
LET'S NOT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE.
ROSE CIRCLE HAS DEMONSTRATED COMMITMENT TO THE PARK'S
PRESERVATION SINCE ITS INCEPTION AND HAS HOSTED A YEARLY
GARDEN TOUR FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
THE PROCEEDS OF WHICH GO DIRECTLY TO THE PARK'S
IMPROVEMENTS.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY TO REPAIR THE PARK AND
ARE CURRENTLY SPONSORING MULTIPLE PROJECTS TO REPAIR AND
RENOVATE.

WE HAVE A CONTINUED PARTNERSHIP WITH KEEPING TAMPA BAY
BEAUTIFUL AND BAYSHORE NEIGHBORHOOD GARDEN ASSOCIATION.
AND RECENTLY, WE HAVE PARTNERED WITH ECOSPHERE RESTORATION
INSTITUTE WHO PROVIDED ME A LETTER WHICH I PROVIDED YOU AS
WELL.
A NONPROFIT THAT SPECIALIZES IN SPRING RESTORATION AND
PRESERVATION PROJECTS AND WHO RECENTLY RESTORED ULELE
SPRING.
THROUGH THIS PARTNERSHIP, WE INTEND TO RESTORE THE HISTORIC
PALMA CEIA SPRING FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS TO ENJOY.
ROSE CIRCLE HAS RECENTLY FILED TO HAVE THE PALMA CEIA SPRING
DESIGNATED AS HISTORICAL LANDMARK.
ADDITIONALLY, ROSE CIRCLE HAS WORKED WITH THE TAMPA PARKS
AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT TO UNDERSTAND THEIR DESIRED
IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE PARK, AND WE, WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE
TAMPA GARDEN CLUB ARE PREPARED TO RAISE THE NECESSARY FUNDS
TO SEE THAT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE.
ROSE CIRCLE INTENDS TO KEEP UP OUR COLLABORATIVE PARTNERSHIP
WITH THE CITY AS WE CONTINUE TO ENHANCE THE PARK AND MOST
IMPORTANTLY WE WILL KEEP OUR PROMISES.
IF THE RELATED GROUP REALLY DOES CARE ABOUT THE PRESERVATION
OF THE PARKS IN SOUTH TAMPA, THEN LET THEM SHOW IT BY
DONATING NO STRINGS ATTACHED FUNDS TO LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS
THAT RESTORE OUR PARKS.
TAMPA GARDEN CLUB AND ROSE CIRCLE LOOK FORWARD TO OUR

CONTINUED PARTNERSHIP IN COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY OF
TAMPA PARKS AND REC.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION.
I ASK YOU TO PLEASE VOTE NO ON THIS DEVELOPMENT RESOLUTION
AGREEMENT.
12:12:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THE NEXT SPEAKER IS 17, COURTNEY.
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND PUT THE NUMBER IN THE
BASKET.
12:12:22AM >> GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS COURTNEY HONING.
I AM A SOUTH TAMPA RESIDENT.
I'M ALSO THE CIVIC CHAIR FOR THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB.
I'M HERE TO ASK THAT YOU DENY THE REZONING REQUEST BEFORE
YOU HERE TONIGHT.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE IMPORTANT POINT THAT THE TAMPA
GARDEN CLUB WHICH IS DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR TO THE PROPOSED
REZONING IS A SMALL WOMEN OWNED WOMEN RUN BUSINESS.
I WOULD EXPECT THAT IF I ASK EACH OF YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS IF
YOU SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESS IN TAMPA, YOU WOULD SAY YES.
WELL, NOW IS YOUR CHANCE TO PROVE IT.
THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATES ON PAGE 327 THAT WHEN
CONSIDERING REZONING, THE CITY COUNCIL MUST CONSIDER THE
IMPLICATIONS TO NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
THE IMPACT OF THE ONGOING CONSTRUCTION, THE NOISE, THE

TRAFFIC COULD BE A DETRIMENT TO BOTH CURRENT AND FUTURE
BOOKINGS FOR WEDDINGS AND ALL TYPES OF EVENTS AT THE TAMPA
GARDEN CLUB.
THE QUIETNESS OF THE PROPERTY WILL BE UNFAIRLY IMPLICATED.
CAN YOU IMAGINE THE SHADOW OF THE LARGE TOWER AND WHAT IT
WILL PLACE OVER YOUR BEAUTIFUL WEDDING GARDEN?
WHO WOULD WANT CONCRETE SPRING GOING ON NEXT DOOR NEXT TO
YOUR BEAUTIFUL WEDDING EVENT.
I DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO WHAT THE CITY OF TAMPA'S OWN
WEBSITE STATES ABOUT SMALL BUSINESSES.
SUCCESSFUL SMALL BUSINESSES ARE ESSENTIAL TO MAINTAINING A
HEALTHY ECONOMY.
THE CITY OF TAMPA RECOGNIZES THE CHALLENGES FACED BY MANY
SMALL AND MINORITY-OWNED BUSINESSES AND OFFERS VALUABLE
INFORMATIONAL SERVICES AND PROGRAMS TO HELP YOU REMAIN
COMPETITIVE, END QUOTE.
PLEASE HELP US REMAIN COMPETITIVE AND TO CONTINUE TO OFFER
OUR WONDERFUL SERVICES TO THIS COMMUNITY.
OUR SMALL BUSINESS OF VENUE RENTAL ALLOWS US TO USE THAT
MONEY NOT ONLY TO MAINTAIN OUR BUILDING, IT ALLOWS US TO DO
PHILANTHROPIC WORK THROUGHOUT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
WE HAVE INSTALLED BUTTERFLY GARDENS IN SCHOOLS, VEGETABLE
GARDENS IN SCHOOLS, BUILT COMMUNITY GARDENS, WORKED WITH
MASTER GARDEN AND COMMUNITY EVENTS, PLANTED TREES AT
ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AND WORKED WITH TAMPA BAY BEAUTIFUL ON

PARKING FOR CLEANUP AFTER GASPARILLA.
I COULD GO ON AND ON ABOUT THE PHILANTHROPIC WORK AT THE
TAMPA GARDEN CLUB, BUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT HERE IS THAT OUR
ABILITY TO GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY IS NOW IN JEOPARDY.
WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.
WE AS MUCH AS ANYONE WANT TAMPA TO BE A SUCCESSFUL, THRIVING
CITY.
WE ARE ASKING FOR COMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT.
PER FLORIDA STATUTES, COMPATIBILITY MEANS A CONDITION IN
WHICH LAND USES OR CONDITIONS CAN COEXIST IN RELATIVE
PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER IN STABLE FASHION OVER TIME SUCH
THAT NO USE OR CONDITION IS UNDULY NEGATIVELY IMPACTED
DIRECTLY BY ANOTHER USE OR ADDITION.
THIS PROPOSED BUILDING IS OBVIOUSLY NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE
SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING
BUSINESSES.
ZONING IS IN PLACE FOR A REASON.
ONLY THE CURRENT ZONING SHOULD BE ALLOWED.
THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME THIS EVENING.
12:15:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT UP IS LAURA KREITZER. NO, MA'AM, 18.
YES, MA'AM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:15:22AM >> GOOD MORNING AND THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I'VE CUT MY REMARKS TO THE BONE IN RESPECT TO THE HOUR AND

TO YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
MY NAME IS LAURA KREITZER.
MY FAMILY AND I HAVE BEEN MEMBERS OF CONGREGATION RODEPH
SHOLOM FOR 50 YEARS, AND I SERVED AS ITS PRESIDENT FROM 2014
TO 2016.
THE SYNAGOGUE AND THE GARDEN CLUB WERE BUILT WITHIN A FEW
YEARS OF EACH OTHER AND ALL OF US WHO HAVE LIVED HERE FOR A
WHILE KNOW THAT TAMPA AND ESPECIALLY SOUTH TAMPA AND THE
ENTIRE BAYSHORE BOULEVARD NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN CHANGING IN
THE ENSUING DECADES.
GROWTH AND CHANGE ARE A FACT OF OUR COMMUNITY'S LIFE, AND IT
WOULD BE DISINGENUOUS TO SAY THAT THIS PLAN WOULD BE THE BIG
CHANGE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
OUR BUILDING WITH ITS DISTINCTIVE MENORAH DESIGN FACING
BAYSHORE BOULEVARD IS A SIGN AND A SYMBOL OF THE HISTORIC
INCLUSIVITY OF OUR COMMUNITY.
TO BE ABLE TO REMAIN ON OUR SITE SENDS A MESSAGE TO ALL OF
TAMPA THAT THIS JEWISH CONGREGATION AND ITS MEMBERS HAVE A
FUTURE AS WELL AS A PAST IN THIS CITY.
MOST OF OUR MEMBERS LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA, PROBABLY
THREE-QUARTERS OF US WITHIN TWO TO THREE MILES OF THE
SYNAGOGUE WITH MANY OF THOSE MEMBERS BEING BAYSHORE
BOULEVARD RESIDENTS AS WELL.
OUR BUILDING IS USED EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK FOR WORSHIP, FOR

MEETINGS, AND TO PROVIDE COMMUNITY SERVICE.
HAVING THIS INNOVATIVE PLAN WILL ENABLE US TO ENSURE THAT
THE LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY OF RODEPH SHOLOM WILL EXIST,
AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN OUR ICONIC PRESENCE ON
BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
WE HAVE BEEN GOOD NEIGHBORS FOR 55 YEARS, AND IT IS OUR
INTENTION TO CONTINUE TO DO SO.
I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT THE COUNCIL ALLOW US TO HAVE THAT
OPPORTUNITY AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
12:17:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
JACK ROSS.
12:17:40AM >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, THANK YOU
VERY MUCH.
MY NAME IS JACK ROSS.
I AM A LONGTIME TAMPA RESIDENT.
I AM A LONGTIME MEMBER OF RODEPH SHOLOM.
I'M HERE TONIGHT -- THIS MORNING REPRESENTING THE TAMPA
JCCs AND FEDERATION AT 522 NORTH HOWARD AVENUE.
AS YOU'RE AWARE, THE JCC OPERATES A PRESCHOOL AT RODEPH
SHOLOM.
JONATHAN MOORE MENTIONED WE HAVE A CENSUS OF 100.
IT'S ACTUALLY 130.
WE'RE REPLACING THE TRAFFIC OF 130 PARENTS COMING AT ALL
TIMES OF THE DAY WITH THE 42 RESIDENTS.

THE JCC AND THE FEDERATION FULLY SUPPORTS THIS REDEVELOPMENT
PLAN.
IN FACT, WE'RE ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR ALTERNATIVE SITES FOR
OUR PRESCHOOL AS WE SPEAK.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE SOUND EFFECTS OF CONSTRUCTION.
EVEN RIGHT NOW THE CITY IS TEARING UP AND IMPROVING HOWARD
AVENUE.
THE CITY HAS MET WITH US, OUR ORGANIZATION, OTHER
BUSINESSES.
WE SAT, WE COORDINATE, AND WE WORK AROUND THE CONSTRUCTION.
CONSTRUCTION IS ALWAYS GOING TO HAPPEN.
IT'S NOT ABOUT THE SOUND EFFECTS THAT YOU HEARD.
IT'S NOT ABOUT THE NUPTIALS THAT WILL BE INTERRUPTED.
AMONG MY MANY HATS THAT I WEAR AT THE ORGANIZATION, TAMPA
JCC FEDERATION, I AM SUPERVISOR OF OUR EVENT CENTER.
AND WE HAVE WEDDINGS ALL THE TIME AND THEY ARE FRIDAY
EVENINGS AND SATURDAY MORNINGS AND SATURDAY EVENINGS AND
SUNDAY MORNINGS.
AND THEY NEVER IN THE SIX YEARS THAT WE OPERATED MONDAY,
TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, BUT THEY ARE ON THURSDAY.
IN ANY EVENT, I'M NOT TELLING YOU THEIR CALENDAR, BUT I'M
TELLING YOU AS A PERSON SUPERVISING AN EVENT CENTER WITH
NUPTIALS THAT DURING THE WEEK AND DURING BUSINESS HOURS IS
NOT TYPICALLY THE BREAD AND BUTTER OF AN ORGANIZATION THAT
HOLDS THIS.

BUT WHAT THIS IS, THIS PROJECT IS, A SMART PROJECT THAT A
NUMBER ONE CITY LIKE TAMPA SHOULD HIGHLIGHT.
RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT THAT PRESERVES AND BLENDS TAMPA'S
CULTURE WITH THE HISTORY AND NEW DEVELOPMENT.
ENSURES THAT BOTH THE GARDEN CLUB AND SYNAGOGUE CONTINUE
THEIR IMPORTANT WORK FOR THE NEXT HUNDRED YEARS.
THE DEVELOPER RELATED HAS ACTIVELY ENGAGED WITH THE GARDEN
CLUB AND OTHER NEIGHBORS.
THEY MADE CONCESSIONS AND REVISIONS TO ENSURE THE NEW
DEVELOPMENT INTEGRATES WELL INTO THE EXISTING SURROUNDINGS.
THIS COLLABORATIVE APPROACH HAS IMPROVED THE PROJECT
IMMENSELY AND SHOWS A COMMITMENT TO BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
RELATED HAS ALSO ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT, AS WE
UNDERSTAND, THAT ENSURES THAT THE SITE WILL NOT IF SOLD IN
THE FUTURE, A FUTURE OWNER WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DEVELOP
BEYOND THE HEIGHT OF RODEPH SHOLOM AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS.
SO IT BRINGS THIS -- THIS AGREEMENT BRINGS THE CERTAINTY AND
STABILITY TO THE AREA WHILE PRESERVING THE CHARACTER OF THE
NEIGHBORHOOD AND I WOULD ASK YOU TO APPROVE THE PETITIONER'S
REQUEST.
THANK YOU.
12:20:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
WARREN HARRIS.
YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:20:46AM >> GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS WARREN HARRIS.
I'M A RESIDENT OF TAMPA, AND I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF RODEPH
SHOLOM.
I WOULD MENTION THAT OVER THE LAST 120 YEARS, THERE HAVE
BEEN THOUSANDS OF MEMBERS OF RODEPH SHOLOM, ALMOST ALL OF
WHOM HAVE BEEN CITIZENS OF TAMPA.
AND IT OCCURS TO ME THAT PART OF YOUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO
MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE ADEQUATE TAXES BEING PAID ON THE
PROPERTIES IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THERE'S ONLY ONE PLAN HERE THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED THAT WOULD
GENERATE SOME INCOME FROM THE PROPERTY THAT IS BEING
DESCRIBED AS BOTH THE SYNAGOGUE AND THE WOMEN'S CENTER.
SO I AM IN FAVOR OF THE PROGRAM AND I WOULD ASK YOU TO
CONSIDER IT STRONGLY.
I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE EVENTUAL USE OF THE PROPERTY.
I HAVE BEEN A MEMBER OF RODEPH FOR MANY YEARS, AND I'VE
RAISED MY CHILDREN HERE AND I WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE MEMBERS
OF RODEPH AND I WOULD LIKE RODEPH TO BE IN THAT LOCATION.
THIS PROGRAM, THIS PROPOSAL ALLOWS RODEPH TO STAY PUT AND
UTILIZE THE ASSET OF ITS PROPERTY.
MY CONCERN IS IF THIS IS DENIED AND NO DEVELOPMENT OCCURS IN
THIS LOCATION, EVENTUALLY THAT PROPERTY WILL CONTINUE TO
RISE IN VALUE.
AND ONE DAY SOMEONE WILL COME INTO THE LEADERS RODEPH AND
GIVE THEM ENOUGH MONEY THAT THEY WILL BE WILLING TO WALK

AWAY FROM THE ENTIRE PROGRAM, FROM THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, AND
THEN YOU'LL BE CONFRONTED WITH AN EVEN LARGER CONDOMINIUM
WITH EVEN MORE PEOPLE DIRECTLY ON BAYSHORE INSTEAD OF BEHIND
THE SYNAGOGUE IN BAYSHORE.
IT OCCURS TO ME THAT THIS IS LIKE THAT TV COMMERCIAL WE SAW
YEARS AGO WHERE THEY SAID YOU CAN EITHER PAY ME NOW OR YOU
CAN PAY ME LATER.
EITHER WAY, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE MOVING INTO HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY AND SPECIFICALLY TO THE CITY OF TAMPA IS GROWING.
WE CAN'T STOP IT.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS.
AND WE'RE GOING TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE PEOPLE AND THEY ARE
GOING TO WANT TO LIVE ON BAYSHORE OR NEAR BAYSHORE AND THEY
ARE GOING TO WANT A HIGH-RISE LOCATION WHERE THEY HAVE A
WATER VIEW.
THEY ARE EITHER GOING TO BE IN A SMALL CONDO THAT'S BEING
PROPOSED NOW OR A MUCH BIGGER ONE IF WE DON'T ALLOW IT.
THANK YOU.
12:22:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THAT CONCLUDES THE FIRST SHEET OF SPEAKERS.
LET'S DO THE TWO ONLINE FOLKS.
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ONLINE, I HAVE ONLY SANDY PEACEMAN IS
THE -- OH, AND LORRAINE PERINO.
12:23:25AM >> SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
SANDY PEACEMAN IS PART OF OUR TEAM.

HE COULDN'T MAKE IT HERE TODAY.
HE DOESN'T NEED TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME.
12:23:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
WE HAVE LORRAINE PERINO.
IF YOU ARE ONLINE, UNMUTE YOURSELF, TURN ON YOUR CAMERA,
RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND WE'LL SWEAR YOU IN.
MS. PERINO, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND
AND WE'LL SWEAR YOU IN.
12:24:13AM >>THE CLERK:
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE
ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
12:24:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
MS. PERINO, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
12:24:39AM >> CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
12:24:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
GO AHEAD.
12:24:43AM >> GOOD EVENING.
I'M LORRAINE PERINO, PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA TREE ADVOCACY
GROUP.
I WANT TO EXPRESS MY STRONG OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST FOR
THE MIAMI DEVELOPER THE RELATED GROUP.
2021, BAY OAKS PROPERTY, 4% TREE RETENTION.
RELATED GROUP WON APPROVAL FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA TO REMOVE
32 PROTECTED OAK TREES.

VALUE OF THE OAKS WHICH ARE ON THE CUSP OF BECOMING GRAND
OAKS FROM THE BAY OAKS PROPERTY INCLUDING TWO GRAND OAKS.
RELATED ALSO ATTEMPTED TO REMOVE A RIGHT-OF-WAY GRAND OAK
ACROSS THE STREET WHICH EVEN WASN'T ON ITS PROPERTY.
76 TREES FROM THE PROPERTY.
2022 MACDILL AIR FORCE BASE, BEHIND THE BAY OAKS PROPERTY,
4% TREE RETENTION.
RELATED GROUP RECEIVED PERMISSION FROM THE CITY TO REMOVE 21
PROTECTED OAKS FROM THE PROPERTY, INCLUDING ONE GRAND OAK.
2023, LAFAYETTE TOWER PROJECT, PARKER STREET, ZERO PERCENT
TREE RETENTION, RELATED TOWER PROJECT GRANTED A SECOND
REZONING PERMIT ALLOWING TREES ON THE PROPERTY REDUCED FROM
50% TO 100%.
RELATED PLANS TO REMOVE SEVEN RIGHT-OF-WAY PROTECTED TREES
ON PARKER STREET.
2024, BAYSHORE SYNAGOGUE PROPERTY, 50% PROPOSED TREE
RETENTION.
IF THE CITY ALLOWS CURRENT REZONING REQUEST BY RELATED TO
INSERT THE MASSIVELY INAPPROPRIATE 26-STORY HIGH-RISE TOWER
IN AN AREA THAT IS ZONED FOR MEDIUM DENSITY ONLY, THE
RELATED GROUP WILL REMOVE AN ADDITIONAL 22 PROTECTED OAK
TREES, PLUS AN ADDITIONAL 8 TREES, RESULTING IN A GRAND
TOTAL OF 31 TREES REMOVED.
IN PURSUING AN AGGRESSIVE AGENDA OF UNBRIDLED DEVELOPMENT
AND EVER-INCREASING WEALTH, FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS IN A

ROW, THE RELATED GROUP HAS BEEN PERMITTED TO DESTROY LARGE
NUMBERS OF TAMPA TREES UNTIL TO DATE IT HAS NOW REMOVED 104
OF TAMPA'S TREES, INCLUDING 60 OF TAMPA'S MOST VALUABLE
TREES, GRAND OAK PROTECTED OAKS.
THAT IS A HUGELY SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF TREES REMOVED FROM A
CITY WHOSE TREE CANOPY HAS ALREADY DECREASED BY 4% IN THE
LAST FIVE YEARS, 18% IN SOUTH TAMPA ALONE.
BUT WAIT, THAT'S NOT ENOUGH.
WITH THE 22 PROTECTED OAKS THAT RELATED WANTS TO REMOVE FROM
THE BAYSHORE PROPERTY PLUS THE ADDITIONAL EIGHT TREES, THE
NUMBER OF TREES THAT RELATED WILL HAVE REMOVED FROM ALL OF
THESE PROPERTIES WILL BE A GRAND TOTAL OF 134 TREES.
AND THE NUMBER OF GRAND TREES AND PROTECTED TREES REMOVED
WILL BE A GRAND TOTAL OF 82 OF TAMPA'S MOST VALUABLE OAK
TREES.
RELATED HAS PROVED TO BE A ONE MAN TREE KILLING MACHINE WHEN
IT COMES TO REMOVING A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF TAMPA'S TREE
CANOPY.
RELATED'S RECORD IS TRULY APPALLING.
IF THIS REZONING IS APPROVED, NOT ONLY ADVANCE THE
DECIMATION OF THE TREE CANOPY, ALSO RUIN THE TAMPA GARDEN
CLUB PRIMARY SOURCE OF INCOME.
THIS REZONING REQUEST IS A NONSTARTER ON SO MANY LEVELS.
TOO HIGH DENSITY FOR THE AREA.
TOO MANY TREES DESTROYED BY ONE DEVELOPER ALONE.

TOO HIGH A DENSITY FOR COASTAL HIGH HAZARD DISTRICT.
HOW MANY MORE OF TAMPA'S TREES IS THE CITY WILLING TO ALLOW
RELATED TO DESTROY IN THE NAME OF PROGRESS.
PLEASE DENY THIS ZONING REQUEST.
12:27:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A 20-MINUTES RECESS SO WE CAN BRING UP
THE NEXT WAVE OF PEOPLE.
12:27:58AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MS. EDWARDS, WITH REGARD TO THE PEOPLE WHO
ARE PRESENT IN THE ROOM NOW, COULD YOU GO TO THE
MICROPHONE --
12:28:08AM >> THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PRESENT IN THE ROOM NOW, THEY HAVE
ALREADY SPOKEN.
I KNOW WE DO HAVE SOME THAT NEED TO STAY IN THE ROOM.
THOSE WHO HAVE SPOKEN, IF THEY CAN EXIT AND GO DOWN TO
EITHER THE SECOND FLOOR OR THE FIRST FLOOR BECAUSE I DO NOT
HAVE ENOUGH SEATS IF THEY STAY.
THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE IN HERE THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE
IN THE THIRD WAVE.
I'M NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE OR DISRESPECTFUL BUT I DO NEED THE
SEATS FOR THE SECOND WAVE OF FOLKS.
IF I DO HAVE TO ASK THEM TO STEP OUTSIDE, IT'S BECAUSE THEIR
NUMBER HASN'T COME UP YET.
12:28:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
WE ARE IN RECESS FOR 20 MINUTES.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]

[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
12:59:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
WELCOME BACK TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
12:59:52AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
12:59:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
12:59:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
12:59:56AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PRESENT.
12:59:59AM >> VIERA?
MIRANDA?
1:00:01AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
1:00:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
1:00:02AM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
1:00:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WELCOME TO THE NEW GROUP OF SPEAKERS.
PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE SPEAKING, WE NEED TO SWEAR YOU IN.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE SPEAKING, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR
RIGHT HAND.
LET'S SWEAR THEM IN.
1:00:23AM >>THE CLERK:
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE
ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
1:00:28AM >> YES.
1:00:28AM >>THE CLERK:
THANK YOU.

YOU MAY BE SEATED.
1:00:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL CONTINUE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
SPEAKER NUMBER 21 IS SCOTT MECKLEY WHO HAS A SPEAKER WAIVER
FORM WITH FOUR PEOPLE.
MR. MECKLEY, IF YOU COULD PLEASE GIVE THE FORM TO OUR
ATTORNEY AND HE WILL READ OFF THE NAMES ON YOUR FORM.
1:00:53AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PLEASE MAKE YOUR PRESENCE KNOWN.
NADINE APPLETON.
MARTO WATSON.
RICHARD MILLER.
1:01:00AM >> HERE UNTIL SUNRISE.
[ LAUGHTER ]
1:01:04AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
GRACE KELLY.
THANK YOU.
WE HAVE FOUR NAMES, FOUR ADDITIONAL MINUTES FOR A TOTAL OF
SEVEN.
1:01:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU HAVE SEVEN MINUTES.
1:01:18AM >> GOOD MORNING.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL MECKLEY.
MY ADDRESS IS 2715 WEST JETTON, WHICH IS A SHORT WALK TO
BAYSHORE.
LIVED THERE 35 YEARS.

ON AVERAGE, I'M ON BAYSHORE THREE TO FOUR TIMES A WEEK,
EITHER DRIVING, WALKING, OR BIKING.
I'M IN FAVOR OF DEVELOPMENT IN OUR CITY, SUPPORT OUR
POPULATION GROWTH, AND PROVIDE SUITABLE HOUSING FOR THE
PEOPLE WHO WORK AND LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
I WANT THE SYNAGOGUE TO REMAIN AND THRIVE IN ITS CURRENT
LOCATION.
AT THE SAME TIME, I WANT THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB TO REMAIN AND
THRIVE IN ITS CURRENT LOCATION.
WHAT I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF IS MAKING EXCEPTIONS TO ALLOW
NONCOMPATIBLE USES THAT NEGATIVELY IMPACT A SURROUNDING
AREA, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE EXCEPTIONS ARE FOR THE BENEFIT OF
A FEW UBER WEALTHY INDIVIDUALS.
I'M ALSO NOT IN FAVOR OF MAKING EXCEPTION TO THE BENEFIT OF
ONE COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION, IN THIS CASE, THE SYNAGOGUE, TO
THE DETRIMENT OF ANOTHER COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION, THE GARDEN
CLUB.
THIS APPLICATION INVOLVES A SIMPLE ISSUE, THE HEIGHT AND
SCALE OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING AND HOW IT COLLIDES WITH THE
LAST LARGE CONTIGUOUS GREENSPACE LEFT ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
THIS POCKET, YOU'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE.
THIS POCKET FROM BAY TO BAY TO FRED BALL PARK, IT'S UNIQUE.
IT'S DIFFERENT.
IT'S SPECIAL.
AND IT SHOULD NOT BE LUMPED IN WITH THE REST OF BAYSHORE

BOULEVARD.
WHEN EVALUATING THIS APPLICATION, THE HEIGHT AND SCALE OF
THE BUILDING I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING:
WHEN REFERENCING BAYSHORE BOULEVARD, THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN INDICATES THE BALANCE OF PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, THE
PUBLIC REALM AND THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT ALONG BAYSHORE
BOULEVARD IS LIKE NO OTHER THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
OBJECTIVE 20.4 REQUIRES THE CITY TO CONTINUE TO PRESERVE AND
ENHANCE THE BALANCE OF THE NATURAL AND PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENTS
ALONG BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
YOU'VE HEARD THAT BEFORE.
DON'T BE TRICKED INTO THINKING THIS REQUEST AND ITS
COMPATIBILITY IS SIMILAR TO OTHER PRIOR APPLICATIONS ALONG
BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
IT'S NOT.
OF ANYTHING ALONG BAYSHORE, THIS POCKET THAT YOU'VE HEARD
PEOPLE TALK ABOUT FROM BAY TO BAY TO FRED BALL, BETWEEN
YSABELLA AND BAYSHORE BEST EMBODIES WHAT THE TAMPA
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TRIES TO ARTICULATE.
I DON'T THINK ANYTHING BETTER REFLECTS THE HARMONIOUS
BALANCE THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR.
EXPANSIVE GREENSPACE WITH LOW-RISE BUILDINGS, INCLUDING THE
ICONIC SYNAGOGUE AND THE ICONIC TAMPA GARDEN CLUB SURROUNDED
BY AN OLD CITY NEIGHBORHOOD WITH SIMILAR LOW-RISE BUILDINGS.
WE'RE NOT RUNNING OUT OF PLACES TO BUILD IN THIS CORRIDOR.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INCLUDES A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF
UNDEVELOPED MEDIUM AND HIGH DENSITY PARCELS IN THIS AREA.
WE DON'T NEED TO ADD DENSITY ON R 35 PARCELS.
THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS NO DEFINITION OF
SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD OR SURROUNDING AREA OR A
NEIGHBORHOOD, SO THE APPLICANT USES A LARGE AREA WHILE THOSE
IN OPPOSITION, LIKE ME, USE A NARROW FOCUS.
WE'VE HEARD THIS COME UP.
MY POINT HERE IS SINCE THERE IS NO DEFINITION IT SEEMS YOU
HAVE THE LATITUDE TO DETERMINE THIS DEFINITION ON A
CASE-BY-CASE BASIS BASED ON THE FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES AT
HAND, WHICH IN THIS CASE IS THIS SPECIAL UNIQUE POCKET THAT
IS DISPLAYED HERE.
OTHERS HAVE MENTIONED THIS, MOVING ON TO THE DEVELOPMENT,
I'M HAVING A CASE OF D J VU.
ONE OF THESE MODELS IS THE PRIOR APPLICATION.
THE OTHER ONE IS THIS APPLICATION.
THE PRIOR APPLICATION WAS DENIED 6-0.
WHILE WE ALL APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT REMOVING THE WAIVERS
REQUESTED BACK IN MAY 2023, LET'S LOOK AT THE SCALE AND THE
DENSITY OF THE CURRENT APPLICATION COMPARED TO THE PRIOR
ONE.
HEIGHT.
THERE IS A TON OF NUMBERS BEING THROWN AROUND.
THE ONES I SAW WERE 354 AND 349 WHICH IS A FIVE FOOT

DIFFERENCE, PRETTY WELL DISPLAYED RIGHT HERE.
TOTAL SQUARE FEET, WE HEARD THIS BEFORE, 275 IN MAY, STILL
275.
I'M A CPA, 275 MINUS 275 IS A CHANGE OF 0.
DENSITY, THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT AND LOT COVERAGE LAST MAY
WAS 53.9 AND NOW IT'S 49.8, THAT'S AN 8% DECREASE.
AS IT WAS WITH THE MAY 2023 APPLICATION, THE REASON THE
SCALE AND SIZE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS SO OFFENSIVE IS NOT
COMPLICATED.
IT'S BECAUSE THE UNITS ARE GOING TO AVERAGE OVER 5,000 FEET.
THEY SAID 4500 TO 500, IF IT'S 42 UNITS AT 5,000, THAT'S
210,000.
THIS IS 275, SOMEWHERE WE LOST 65,000.
WE DEFINITELY NEED MORE HOUSING IN TAMPA, BUT THE HOUSING WE
NEED IS WORKFORCE HOUSING, NOT RICH PEOPLE HOUSING.
A FINAL IMPORTANT POINT, BY THE WAY, THIS IS THE NEW
DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS THE OLD ONE.
YOU CAN SEE THEY SHRUNK THE BOTTOM A LITTLE TO GET RID OF
THE WAIVERS AND THEY HAD TO ADD AN EXTRA FLOOR OF PARKING IN
THERE.
A FINAL IMPORTANT POINT AND THIS HAS COME UP, TOO, THE
APPLICANT COMPLETELY IGNORED THE INPUT OF THE SURROUNDING
NEIGHBORS AS IT RELATES TO HEIGHT AND SCALE OF THE
DEVELOPMENT.

THIS WAS A SIGNIFICANT OBJECTION THAT WAS TOTALLY DISMISSED
IN THE NAME OF PROFIT.
YES, THEY ELIMINATED THE WAIVERS, WHICH WERE OBJECTIONABLE
TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS AND MANY OTHERS, BUT OTHERWISE,
THEIR ENGAGEMENT, HERE IS THEIR ENGAGEMENT WITH THE
COMMUNITY.
THE HEIGHT AND SCALE IS NON-NEGOTIABLE.
THAT'S NOT WHAT I CALL LISTENING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY DID NOT LISTEN TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS OR THE
COMMUNITY.
THEY REMOVED THE WAIVERS FOR OPTICS AND IGNORED THE
CRITICALLY IMPORTANT ISSUE OF NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY,
SCALE, AND IMPACT.
FROM EVERY STANDPOINT, THE REQUESTED CHANGE IS NEGATIVE TO
THE SURROUNDING AREA.
THE BURDEN IS ON THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE COMPETENT
SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AND AMONG OTHER THINGS THE PROPOSED
DEVELOPMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN,
CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY CODE, COMPATIBLE WITH THE
SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND OVERALL SITE DESIGN AND SCALE,
PROVIDES AN APPROPRIATE TRANSITION INTO THE SURROUNDING
NEIGHBORHOOD, IS CONSISTENT IN CHARACTER WITH THE
SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND DOES NOT SUBSTANTIALLY
INTERFERE OR INJURE THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS.
YOU'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT ALL THAT TONIGHT.

THE APPLICANTS FAILED TO PROVIDE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL
EVIDENCE RELATED TO ANY OF THESE.
I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THE MOTION YOU APPROVED TO DENY 6-0
LAST TIME IN MAY 2023 INCLUDED SPECIFIC LANGUAGE ON THESE
EXACT SAME ITEMS.
AND THE FACTS AS IT RELATES TO THESE ITEMS HAS NOT CHANGED
SINCE THE LAST APPLICATION.
LASTLY, I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE CITY STAFF LAST TIME,
OTHER THAN NATURAL RESOURCES, WHICH HAD TO DO WITH THE
TREES, FOUND THE MAY 2023 APPLICATION CONSISTENT WHEN YOU
DENIED IT 6-0.
TO GO AGAINST THE CITY STAFF AGAIN WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH
YOUR MAY 2023 VOTE.
PLEASE PRESERVE THE AREA AND REPRESENT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY
BY DENYING THIS APPLICATION.
1:08:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
[ APPLAUSE ]
NO, NO, NO.
NO CLAPPING.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
THE NEXT SPEAKER IS MARCY BAKER.
NUMBER 22.
IF YOU HAVE YOUR TICKET.
OH, NEVER MIND.
THEY TOOK THE BASKET AWAY.

ALL RIGHT.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
1:08:49AM >> HELLO.
MY NAME IS MARCY BAKER.
I LIVE RIGHT ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD AT 610 WEST SWANN AVENUE.
I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF RODEPH SHOLOM ENTIRE LIFE.
BAT MITZVAH AND MARRIED THERE.
AS SYNAGOGUE MEMBER AND PAST PRESIDENT I'M EXCITED FOR THE
DEAL WITH RELATED TO HELP ENSURE THE LONG-TERM FINANCIAL
FUTURE OF RODEPH SHOLOM SO THAT MY DAUGHTER WILL BE ABLE TO
BE MARRIED THERE.
AS A BAYSHORE RESIDENT, I AM HAPPY TO LEARN THAT THIS
DEVELOPMENT PROJECT WILL RESULT IN SIGNIFICANTLY LESS
TRAFFIC THAT ACCOMPANIES THE CURRENT JCC LOCATED ON RODEPH'S
PROPERTY.
THE PRESCHOOL WILL BE RELOCATED WHEN THIS PROJECT IS BUILT.
AS YOU ALREADY HEARD, WE HAVE 130 STUDENTS IN THAT
PRESCHOOL.
MUCH OF THE CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED
BY OVERFLOW FROM DROP-OFF AND PICKUP AND TRAFFIC FROM THE
PRESCHOOL.
ALSO, I UNDERSTAND RELATED HAS COMMITTED TO SIGNIFICANTLY
IMPROVED FRED BALL PARK AND OTHER BENEFITS TO THE GREATER
NEIGHBORHOOD SUCH AS SIDEWALKS AND LIGHTING IMPROVEMENTS.

WE'VE ALREADY SEEN PICTURES OF WHERE THERE'S NOT VERY MANY
SIDEWALKS IN THE AREA.
SOME OF THE BENEFITS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD INCLUDE REPAVING
YSABELLA AND BARCELONA, ADDING CROSSWALKS TO THE SENIOR --
SO SENIOR LIVING RESIDENTS CAN SAFELY GET TO FRED BALL PARK.
I'M THRILLED TO HEAR RELATED IS DONATING MONEY TO UPGRADE A
CITY ASSET THAT HAS BEEN NEGLECTED TOO LONG AND THAT'S FRED
BALL PARK.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST, HAVING LIVED IN TAMPA FOR OVER 50 YEARS,
I HAVE SEEN FIRSTHAND THE GROWTH THAT IS HAPPENING AND
BAYSHORE BOULEVARD IS A DESIRABLE LOCATION.
ANYTHING THAT GETS BUILT MOVING FORWARD WILL BE ADJACENT TO
SOMEONE.
IF A DEVELOPER DOES THEIR BEST TO ADDRESS ALL REASONABLE
NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS, SHOULDN'T THAT BE LOOKED UPON
FAVORABLY?
WHY WOULD THIS BUILDING THAT PRESERVES A HISTORICAL
SYNAGOGUE ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD NOT GET THE SAME APPROVAL
THAT SO MANY OTHER BUILDINGS ON BAYSHORE HAVE GOTTEN?
THANK YOU.
1:10:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT IS LORI RABINOWITZ, NUMBER 23.
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
1:11:04AM >> MY NAME IS LORI RABINOWITZ.
I'M A MEMBER OF CONGREGATION RODEPH SHOLOM.

I CURRENTLY SERVE ON ITS EXECUTIVE BOARD.
THROUGHOUT THE EVENING AND MORNING, I'VE HEARD THE QUESTION,
WHAT IS THIS PROJECT GOING TO DO FOR THE COMMUNITY?
THE PLAN IS JUST AS MUCH A WIN FOR OUR COMMUNITY AS IT IS
FOR OUR SYNAGOGUE.
NOT ONLY DOES THIS PLAN SAVE OUR PLACE OF WORSHIP, BUT IT
WILL GENERATE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, IF NOT MORE
IN PROPERTY TAXES THAT WILL GO DIRECTLY TO IMPROVE THE
CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE NEED TO EMBRACE THE GROWTH OF OUR COMMUNITY.
THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT, I'VE HEARD PEOPLE WANTING SIDEWALKS,
TALKING ABOUT MORE FIREFIGHTERS, MORE POLICE, AND MORE
WATER.
PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE WITH NO
SOLUTIONS, AND THIS PROPOSAL GENERATES REVENUE FOR THE CITY.
AND THE RELATED GROUP DID LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS
AND HAS SINCE COME UP WITH A REVISED PLAN TO REMOVE ALL
PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED WAIVERS, PRESERVE ALL PLANNED OAK TREES
AND REMOVE THE PROPOSED PICKLEBALL COURT ALL OF WHICH SHOWED
GENERAL RESPECT AND CONSIDERATION FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS ON THE FURTHEST POINT AWAY FROM
THE GARDEN CLUB WITH THE SYNAGOGUE BEING ADJACENT TO THE
GARDEN CLUB.
WE DON'T SEE THIS TO AFFECT THE GARDEN CLUB'S BUSINESS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU VOTE IN

FAVOR OF THE PROJECT.
1:12:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THE NEXT SPEAKER IS ITEM -- OR PERSON NUMBER 24, KEENAN
POOLE.
YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
1:13:06AM >> MY NAME IS KEENAN POOLE.
AND I RESIDE AT 3203 BAYSHORE BOULEVARD, COMMONLY KNOWN AS
THE STOVALL CONDO BUILDING.
WHAT THE RELATED GROUP HAS DONE TO OUR BUILDING IS A
TRAVESTY.
THEY HAVE OVERBUILT THAT STRUCTURE AND CREATED A CONCRETE
JUNGLE THAT CITY PLANNING AND ZONING APPROVED.
WITH THE APPROVAL OF THREE OF THE PRESENT COUNCILMEN.
WE ARE OUTRAGED BY YOUR BEHAVIOR.
TOTALLY.
WE PUT UP WITH CONCRETE OVER SPRING TWICE.
OUR CARS AND OUR BUILDING.
OUR BUILDING HAS TO BE REPAINTED DUE TO THE NEGLIGENCE OF
THE RELATED GROUP AND COASTAL CONSTRUCTION.
YOU ALLOWED 22 TREES TO BE BULLDOZED OVER AND 8 GRAND OAKS
TO BE REMOVED.
WHERE WERE THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS?
WHERE WERE THE TREE HUGGERS?
WE WERE LEFT ALONE AND ABANDONED.

YOU PEOPLE THOUGHT YOU COULD RUN OVER A BUNCH OF OLD PEOPLE.
I'M YOUNG AND I'M HERE TO FIGHT FOR THEM.
ALSO, I'M A LITTLE DISMAYED ABOUT THE TEMPLE.
WHERE IN THE SCULPTURES ARE THEY OBSERVING THE COMMANDMENT
LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
THEY ARE SETTLING FOR THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR.
I'M A RETIRED CPA.
GIVE ME YOUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AND YOUR TAX RETURNS AND I
WILL SCHOOL YOU ON HOW TO LIVE WITHIN YOUR MEANS.
I WILL TEACH YOU PROPER BUDGETING MEASURES THAT YOU CAN
EXEMPLIFY AND NOT COME HERE AND CRY THE POOR.
I'M DONE.
1:14:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT WHO HAS A SPEAKER WAIVER
FORM.
1:15:29AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ANNELIESE MEIER.
1:15:31AM >> HERE.
1:15:31AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NANCY CRISWELL.
THANK YOU.
SHERYL SMITH.
THANK YOU.
CJ SMITH.
THANK YOU.
MIKE FANNING.
AND IS MIKE McNABB HERE?

1:15:45AM >> HERE.
1:15:45AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. McNABB, WHERE ARE YOU?
DID YOU SPEAK EARLIER?
ON A DIFFERENT ITEM.
IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT.
THANK YOU.
I'M JUST ASKING.
1:16:10AM >> MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
LIFE LONG RESIDENT OF TAMPA.
THIS CITATION WAS PRESENTED BY GINA GRIMES AT A FLUEDRA
HEARING.
IT HAS NEVER BEEN THE LAW THAT A LANDOWNER IS ALWAYS
ENTITLED TO THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THEIR LAND.
LANDOWNERS ARE GUARANTEED REASONABLE USE OF THEIR LAND AND
REASONABLE USE DOES NOT GUARANTEE THAT YOU CAN BUILD EVERY
CONCEIVABLE CONCOCTION.
PLEASE LOOK AT PAGE TWO OF MY HANDOUT.
THIS PROPERTY IS R 35.
IT HAS A MEDIUM DENSITY LAND USE.
THEY ARE ASKING FOR A HEIGHT THAT IS EVEN TALLER THAN A
HIGH-DENSITY LAND USE.
ON PAGE 134 OF THE COMP PLAN IT SAYS HIGH DENSITY SHOULD BE
UP TO 24 STORIES.
SO EVEN FOR HIGH DENSITY, A 26-STORY TOWER IS TOO TALL.
THE COMP PLAN CLEARLY STATES MEDIUM DENSITY IS UP TO 8

STORIES.
YOU KNOW WHAT THE COMP PLAN DOESN'T SAY?
IT DOESN'T SAY THE DEVELOPER IS GUARANTEED 5,000 SQUARE FOOT
CONDOS.
IT DOESN'T SAY THEY ARE GUARANTEED FIVE AND SIX BEDROOMS.
THE COMP PLAN DOES NOT SAY THE SKY IS THE LIMIT.
THE COMP PLAN LANGUAGE IS PLAIN.
UNFORTUNATELY, SOME PEOPLE ARE NOT PLAIN SPOKEN.
THEY LIKE TO WIGGLE AROUND BETWEEN WORDS.
THEY LIKE TO SAY WORDS DON'T MEAN WHAT YOU THINK THEY MEAN.
CHILDREN LIKE TO DO THAT.
TEENAGERS LIKE TO DO THAT.
LAWYERS LIKE TO DO THAT.
BUT PLAYING WORD GAMES DOESN'T CHANGE THE MEANING OF WORDS.
I GREW UP WITH PARENTS WHO DIDN'T PLAY.
I BET SOME OF YOU DID, TOO.
IF MY FATHER TOLD ME UP TO TWO COOKIES, WE BOTH KNEW EXACTLY
WHAT THAT MEANT.
IT MEANT IF I TOOK THREE COOKIES I WASN'T GOING TO BE
SITTING DOWN FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS.
MY FATHER WASN'T STUPID AND HE WASN'T TRICKED BY SLIPPERY
TALK.
LOOK AT PAGE THREE.
THIS IS EVERY MULTIFAMILY ZONING CATEGORY ALLOWED IN R 35.
LOOK AT THE NEXT PAGE.

THE TALLEST MULTIFAMILY BUILDING THE COMP PLAN ENVISIONS FOR
R 35 IS 60 FEET.
I REPEAT, 60 FEET.
THE COMP PLAN NEVER ENVISIONED A 26-STORY TOWER FOR R 35.
THIS PROJECT IS ABSURDLY IN EXCESS OF THE 60 FEET OR 8
STORIES THE COMP PLAN PLANNED FOR.
THIS PD IS ONE GIANT WAIVER.
I ASKED STAFF IF THEY THOUGHT 26 STORIES WAS CONSISTENT WITH
R 35.
THEY SAID IT IS NOT THEIR JOB TO DETERMINE IF THE HEIGHT IS
CONSISTENT IN A PD.
THEY SAID IT IS CITY COUNCIL'S JOB.
THEIR JOB IS TO DETERMINE IF THE DENSITY IS CONSISTENT.
READ THEIR REPORTS.
NO STAFF REPORT SAYS 26 STORIES IS CONSISTENT OR COMPATIBLE
WITH R-35.
ERIC COTTON'S E-MAIL ABOUT THE EARLY RESUBMITTAL, HE SAYS
THE ISSUE OF COMPATIBILITY BETWEEN THE HIGH-RISE AND
SURROUNDING PROPERTIES CAN ONLY BE DETERMINED BY COUNCIL.
STAFF DID NOT DETERMINE THIS.
RELATED SAYS THIS IS THE SAME AS THE OTHER TOWERS ON
BAYSHORE.
THAT IS NOT TRUE.
PLEASE LOOK AT PAGE 5 IN YOUR PACKET.
YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE OTHER COMPLEX ON

BAYSHORE WITH R-35 MEDIUM DENSITY, AND THAT ONE IS ONLY
THREE STORIES HIGH.
THREE STORIES.
LOOK AT ITS DENSITY.
THE DENSITY IS ACTUALLY GREATER THAN THIS PROJECT.
GREATER DENSITY BUT ONLY THREE STORIES.
THAT IS ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT YOU CAN BUILD DENSITY WITHIN
HEIGHT LIMITS IF THE UNITS ARE SMALLER, WHICH MAKES THEM
MORE AFFORDABLE TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.
LOOK AT MY LIST.
EVERY OTHER TOWER ON BAYSHORE HAS A HIGHER DENSITY LAND USE.
EVERY SINGLE ONE.
IN ADDITION, ALL OF THOSE, EXCEPT FOR RELATE'S OTHER
PROJECT, THE RITZ CARLSON, IS SHORTER THAN THIS ONE.
LOOK AT MY NEXT PAGE.
THIS IS FROM RELATED'S EVIDENCE NOTEBOOK.
EVERY PROJECT THEY CITE HAS A LAND USE DIFFERENT THAN R 35.
THEY COULD NOT CITE EVEN ONE SIMILAR SIDES PROJECT WITH R
35.
26 STORIES IS NOT CHARACTERISTIC OF R 35.
IT IS OUT OF CHARACTER.
THE COMP PLAN SAYS YOU MUST NOT APPROVE A REZONING THAT IS
OUT OF CHARACTER.
YOU MUST ALSO EVALUATE THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF A
NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE STAFF REPORT CLEARLY STATES THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT
PATTERN OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS 14.27 DWELLING UNITS PER
ACRE ON R 35 PARCELS AND 16.12 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE ON R
83 PARCELS.
A SHORTAGE OF ENORMOUS, OBSCENELY LUXURIOUS CONDOS THAT ARE
BIGGER THAN MY TWO-STORY HOUSE IS NOT THE HOUSING CRISIS YOU
NEED TO SOLVE.
[ LAUGHTER ]
I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU A PIECE OF PAPER LIKE THIS.
EVERY TIME YOU HEAR SOMEONE SAY THE ONLY HOUSING THEY CAN
FIND IS TOO EXPENSIVE, MAKE A MARK.
EVERY TIME SOMEONE TELLS YOU THE ONLY HOUSING THEY CAN FIND
IS TOO CHEAP, MAKE A MARK.
EVERY TIME SOMEONE CAN'T FIND SOMETHING NICE ENOUGH, EVEN
THOUGH THEY CAN PAY MORE, MAKE A MARK.
KEEP THIS IN YOUR POCKET AND IN A MONTH SHOW IT TO ME.
I BET IT WILL LOOK LIKE THIS.
[ LAUGHTER ]
RELATED SAYS THEY ARE SAVING GRAND TREES.
WELL, IF I WANT TO KNOW WHAT SOMEONE WILL DO, I LOOK AT WHAT
THEY HAVE DONE.
THESE ARE SEVEN LARGE OAKS THAT ARE JUST OFF-SITE OF THE
RELATED RITZ-CARLTON SITE BEFORE CONSTRUCTION.
THEY ARE NOT ON RITZ PROPERTY.
THESE ARE THOSE TREES TODAY.

NO BARRIERS AROUND THE PROTECTED ROOT ZONE.
HEAVY EQUIPMENT AND TRAILERS PARKED ON TOP OF ROOTS.
A CODE ENFORCEMENT COMPLAINT HAS BEEN FILED.
THESE ARE OTHER OFF-SITE OAKS.
YOU CAN SEE THE PROTECTIVE BARRIER WAS IGNORED.
AT ONE POINT, RELATED ACTUALLY HAD PORT-A-POTTIES ON TOP OF
THEIR ROOTS.
YOU CAN SEE DAMAGE TO THE ROOTS FROM TRUCKS.
A COMPLAINT WAS FILED AND A NEW BARRICADE WAS ERECTED.
YOU CAN SEE IT DIDN'T LAST LONG EITHER.
ANOTHER COMPLAINT WAS FILED.
IT WAS ERECTED AGAIN.
AS OF TUESDAY IT WAS STILL UP.
RELATED SAID THEY WOULD PRESERVE TWO OAKS ON THE
RITZ-CARLTON SITE.
THEY PRUNED THIS GRAND TREE WITHOUT A PERMIT.
AN ASSESSMENT OF THE DAMAGE FOUND THREE LIMBS WERE
IMPROPERLY REMOVED AND WOUNDS ON MULTIPLE BRANCHES.
IT IS UNKNOWN IF THE TREE WILL SURVIVE THIS DAMAGE.
MORE RECENTLY, THE PROTECTIVE BARRIERS FOR GRAND OAKS AT THE
RITZ SITE WERE REMOVED AND A TRENCH WAS DUG AROUND THEM.
THE CITY INSPECTOR SAID TREE ROOTS WERE CUT.
THERE WAS EROSION AND SEDIMENT VIOLATION, AND THE BARRICADES
NEED TO BE REPLACED.
RELATED SAYS THEY WILL PRESERVE THE GRAND TREES ON THIS NEW

PROJECT.
IF I WANT TO KNOW WHAT SOMEONE WILL DO, I LOOK AT WHAT THEY
HAVE DONE.
THESE ARE PICTURES OF THE DAMAGE DONE TO THE RITZ NEIGHBOR'S
PROPERTY.
SLURRY FLEW OFF THE TOP STORIES ON TO THEIR HOMES AND CARS.
THERE IS THE CAR.
THERE'S MORE OF THE HOUSE.
THE CONSTRUCTION WILL BE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
IMAGINE THIS LANDING ON A BRIDE DURING A WEDDING.
THIS PORCH ROOF WAS SHEARED OFF WHEN A BIG PIECE OF PLYWOOD
FLEW OFF ONE OF THE TOP STORIES.
THESE ARE BAGS OF TRASH THE NEIGHBOR PICKED UP IN HER YARD.
THIS IS THE EXAMPLE OF THE DEBRIS THAT ENDED UP IN THE BAY.
THE CURRENT LANDOWNERS' FINANCIAL GOALS ARE NOT COMPETENT
AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
IT IS IRRELEVANT TO THIS HEARING, AND YOU CANNOT LEGALLY
CONSIDER IT.
THIS PROJECT INCREASES DENSITY IN THE CHHA.
IT IS OUT OF CHARACTER WITH EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
IT IS OUT OF CHARACTER FOR MEDIUM DENSITY.
IF YOU APPROVE THIS, YOU WILL BE CHANGING THE DEFINITION OF
EVERY MEDIUM DENSITY PROPERTY IN THE CITY.
YOU WILL BE VIOLATING WHAT THE COMP PLAN ENVISIONED FOR R
35.

ENOUGH WITH THE PDs.
ENOUGH WITH INCREASING DENSITY IN THE CHHA.
GROW TAMPA RESPONSIBLY.
JUST SAY NO TO STUPID GROWTH.
THANK YOU.
1:24:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT UP IS PAT CIMINO, NUMBER 27.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, SIR.
1:24:55AM >> GOOD EVENING OR GOOD MORNING.
I'M PATRICK CIMINO, PRESIDENT OF HHPNA.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR DILIGENCE AND PERSEVERANCE.
CARROLL ANN IS A VERY HARD ACT TO FOLLOW.
THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY.
I REALLY WANT TO EMPHASIZE A LOT WHAT SHE AND SCOTT MECKLEY
SAID BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS AT THE HEART OF THE CONCERN FOR
THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.
I'M VERY BOTHERED AND I KNOW COUNCIL HERE RECOMMENDED WE NOT
FOCUS ON THE REPORT OR THE FACT THAT THIS WAS ALLOWED TO
COME EARLY.
AS SCOTT EXPLAINED, THIS HEIGHT, MASS, DENSITY, SCALE, IT'S
THE SAME THING YOU ALL LOOKED AT IN MAY.
UNLESS MY EYES ARE GOING BAD.
SO WHY IS THIS BROUGHT BACK EARLY?
WHAT'S THE CRITERIA FOR THAT?
AND I THINK -- AND I HAVE NO DISRESPECT FOR THE PLANNING

STAFF, BUT THEY ALSO DO A LOT OF WHAT THEY ARE TOLD FROM
ABOVE.
SO WE DON'T HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THEM.
THEY TURN THIS 180 DEGREES AT A MOMENT'S NOTICE.
THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.
GUESS WHAT, WE THE TAX-PAYING CITIZENS DON'T TRUST THEM.
SO WITH THAT SAID, I'LL MAKE YOUR LIFE EASY.
MY BOARD RECOMMENDED YOU DENY THIS REQUEST.
I RECOMMEND IT MYSELF.
IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA, WHICH IS, IN
FACT, AN HISTORIC PATCH, UNMARVELED IN ANY OTHER PLACE ON
BAYSHORE.
THIS MUCH GREENSPACE.
THAT'S IT.
UNIQUE.
IT'S BEEN TOLD.
BUT THAT HAS TO BE POINTED OUT.
TWO, IT'S INCOMPATIBLE WITH OTHER PARTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD
WHERE THERE IS HOUSING.
THREE, THE MASS, SCALE, AND DENSITY ARE OUT OF PLACE.
IT SHOULD BE EIGHT STORIES TOPS.
EXCESSIVE IS NOT OPTIMAL.
THEY DO NOT DESERVE THIS AND AS CARROLL ANN SAID, THIS IS
NOT EVEN A CONSIDERATION FOR HARDSHIP, AND THAT'S BEING
BROUGHT UP TONIGHT.

YOU ALL CANNOT LOOK AT HARDSHIP.
AND IT WOULD KIND OF BE EMBARRASSING TO DO THAT.
NONETHELESS, IT'S NOT HARDSHIP.
SO I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU DENY THIS AS YOU DID IN MAY
UNANIMOUSLY.
IT'S NOT CHANGED.
1:27:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
NEXT WE HAVE DANA JASPER, WHO HAS A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM WITH
TWO PEOPLE.
YES, MA'AM.
PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR FORM TO THE ATTORNEY AND HE WILL READ OFF
THE NAMES OF THE INDIVIDUALS.
1:27:35AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
[INAUDIBLE]
ALLISON MURRAY.
TWO ADDITIONAL NAMES.
1:27:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FIVE MINUTES TOTAL.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, MA'AM.
1:27:44AM >> I'M GOING TO BE USING ALL SLIDES HERE, JUST HAVE IT PUT
UP FIRST.
1:27:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
JUST STATE YOUR NAME BEFORE YOU SPEAK.
1:28:04AM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
DANA JASPER, PRESIDENT BAYSHORE TOWN HOUSE HOMEOWNERS
ASSOCIATION.
I LIVE WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND I
WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WITH YOU THIS EVENING REGARDING REASONS

TO DENY THIS REZONING REQUEST. I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THE
RESIDENTIAL ENTRANCE DRIVEWAY.
THE HEIGHT AND THE NUMBER OF STORIES AND HOW THIS HIGH-RISE
IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
FIRST LIKE TO DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE DEVELOPER'S PLANS
AND THEIR GENERAL NOTES SECTION IN WHICH THEY STATE THAT ALL
DEVELOPMENT ON-SITE IS TO COMPLY WITH ALL TECHNICAL
STANDARDS.
REFERRING YOU TO TAMPA ORDINANCE SECTION 22-291, THIS IS THE
TRANSPORTATION TECHNICAL MANUAL, 2023 EDITION, WHICH HAS
BEEN ADOPTED AS A FULL FORCE AND IN EFFECT.
WITHIN THE TECHNICAL MANUAL ARE DESIGN STANDARDS,
SPECIFICALLY DRIVEWAY DESIGNS FOR RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAYS THAT
ACCESS LOCAL STREETS.
AND I'M GOING TO BE REFERRING TO SPECIFICALLY FIGURE 2-10
WHICH IS IN THE PACKET I GAVE TO YOU.
FURTHER LIKE TO NOTE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS DEEMED
SOUTH YSABELLA AND WEST BARCELONA AS LOCAL STREETS.
LOOKING AT FIGURE 2-10, YOU WILL SEE THAT IT IS A
REQUIREMENT THAT A RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAY BE A MINIMUM OF 25
FEET FROM THE INTERSECTION.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEVELOPER'S PLANS, YOU WILL SEE THAT THE
RESIDENTIAL ENTRANCE IS A MERE 13 FEET FROM THE INTERSECTION
OF BARCELONA AND YSABELLA, THEREFORE, IT DOES NOT MEET THE
MINIMUM TECHNICAL REQUIREMENT.

NEXT, I DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO TAMPA ORDINANCE SECTION
27-227.
THIS IS THE PERMITTED USES FOR A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
IT DOES STATE THE TYPE OR TYPES OF LAND USES PERMITTED MUST
BE CONSISTENT IN ALL RESPECTS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, NOT
SOME, NOT MOST, BUT ALL.
NEXT I SHOW YOU THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IN THIS, WE HAVE
THE LAND USE CATEGORY MATRIX, SPECIFICALLY FOR RESIDENTIAL
35 MEDIUM DENSITY USES AND THE KEY CHARACTERISTICS.
IT DOES SAY THAT BUILDING HEIGHTS ARE UP TO EIGHT STORIES
FOR MEDIUM DENSITY.
AT 26 STORIES, THIS BUILDING WOULD BE OVER THREE TIMES THE
NUMBER OF STORIES AS SPECIFIED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR
MEDIUM DENSITY.
IN FACT, IT WOULD EXCEED EVEN THE 24 STORIES AS SPECIFIED
FOR HIGH DENSITY.
NEXT I DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICY NE
1.1-2.
I WILL READ THIS IN ITS ENTIRETY.
CONTINUE TO PROTECT AND ENHANCE SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS
BY PROVIDING SENSITIVE TRANSITIONS BETWEEN NEIGHBORHOODS AND
ADJOINING AREAS AND REQUIRE A NEW DEVELOPMENT BOTH PRIVATE
AND PUBLIC TO RESPECT AND RESPOND TO THOSE EXISTING PHYSICAL
CHARACTERISTICS, BUILDING, STREETSCAPES, OPEN SPACES AND
CITY FORM THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE OVERALL CHARACTER AND

LIVEABILITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS IS A GRAPH I PUT TOGETHER IN WHICH I WANTED TO
DEMONSTRATE TO YOU THE DIFFERENCE IN HEIGHTS FOR THE
BUILDINGS THAT ARE ON YSABELLA, THIS IS THE GARDEN CENTER,
THE SYNAGOGUE, THE FOUR-STORY AND TWO-STORY TOWNHOMES.
THE ONE-STORY WOMEN'S CLUB AND TWO-STORY OFFICE BUILDING.
THIS IS IN HIGH CONTRAST TO A 317-FOOT HIGH-RISE THAT IS
PROPOSED.
ONE OF THE THINGS IS NOT LIKE THE OTHER.
ONE OF THESE THINGS DOES NOT BELONG.
[ LAUGHTER ]
THE PRIOR POLICY IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DISCUSSED
SENSITIVE TRANSITIONS.
THAT IS A SENSITIVE TRANSITION.
THAT IS NOT A SENSITIVE TRANSITION.
NEXT I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS WHY THIS 26 STORY HIGH-RISE IS NOT
COMPATIBLE WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE NAME OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS CALLED BAYSHORE GARDENS.
THAT NAME SAYS IT ALL.
IT IS A NAME THAT EVOKES IMAGES OF GREENERY AND OPEN SPACES,
NOT TOWERING HIGH-RISES.
I LIVE LESS THAN 200 FEET FROM THE PROPOSED HIGH-RISE.
WEEKLY I WALK 20 MILES FROM MY HOME DOWN YSABELLA AVENUE
THROUGH FRED BALL PARK AND ALL -- BAYSHORE GARDENS.
I HAVE A VERY PERSONAL BOOTS ON THE GROUND PERSPECTIVE OF MY

NEIGHBORHOOD.
I REGULARLY ENGAGE WITH NEIGHBORS.
MEANINGFUL CHANCE ENCOUNTERS AT THE GROUND LEVEL, WHETHER
CHATTING WITH A HOMEOWNER WHO IS REPLACING BOOKS IN HER FREE
LITTLE LIBRARY OR CONVERSATIONS CAN NEIGHBORS WHO ARE DOING
THEIR LANDSCAPING IN THE HEAT OF SUMMER.
THESE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF THE HUNDREDS OF NEIGHBORLY
ENCOUNTERS I'VE HAD.
OUR LOW RISE NEIGHBORHOOD PROMOTES CONNECTIVITY WHERE
NEIGHBORS EASILY INTERACT AND FOSTER RELATIONSHIPS.
FRONT YARDS BECOME EXTENSIONS OF LIVING SPACES.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD THRIVES IN HARMONY WITH HOMES THAT SHARE
SIMILAR SCALE.
THE PROPOSED HIGH-RISE WITH ITS MASSIVE VERTICAL ORIENTATION
AND LET'S NOT FORGET THE SECURITY FENCING UNDERMINES GENUINE
OPPORTUNITIES FOR CHANCE ENCOUNTERS AND STRIPS AWAY HUMAN
NEIGHBORLY CONNECTIONS.
THIS HIGH-RISE WOULD NOT CREATE VALUE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
RATHER, IT WOULD CREATE A HUMAN SILO OF DISCONNECTED
RESIDENTS THAT SERVE THE PRIMARY INTEREST OF A SINGLE
ENTITY.
THIS ISN'T JUST A NEIGHBORHOOD ISSUE.
THE BROADER COMMUNITY DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS REZONING AS
EVIDENCED BY THE OVER 1800 E-MAILS YOU ALL RECEIVED THAT
WERE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REZONING.

THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO BE HEARD.
ARE YOU LISTENING?
1:33:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
1:33:15AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, MS. JASPER, THE
PAPERS YOU HANDED TO ME WERE NOT WHAT YOU SHOWED ON THE
SCREEN.
DID YOU WANT TO PLACE THOSE INTO THE RECORD?
1:33:24AM >> I DO.
YES, I DID IT VERY SMALL -- I DO WANT TO SUBMIT ALL THESE AS
WELL.
UM-HUM.
THANK YOU.
1:33:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS VANCE SMITH.
HE HAS A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM WITH THREE PEOPLE.
1:33:54AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SYLVIA SMITH, PLEASE. MICHAEL POLLBACK.
AND CAROL GUIDON.
THREE ADDITIONAL MINUTES FOR A TOTAL OF 6.
1:34:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
1:34:13AM >> VANCE SMITH.
3501 BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PETITION.
I HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE FROM MANY OF THE OBJECTIONS
YOU HEARD TONIGHT.
I WANT TO TAKE YOU BACK TO NOVEMBER OF 2022 WHEN THE

COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT WAS PRESENTED FOR DISCUSSION
WITH A SIMILAR PD PLAN SITE-CONTROLLED PLAN THAT IS
VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL TO WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
THAT APPLICATION FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT PROPOSED
TO CHANGE THE DISTRICT FROM R 35 TO R 83, AND IT WAS DENIED.
AND AS A CONSEQUENCE, THE ZONING APPLICATION WAS ALSO
DENIED.
WHEN THAT DIDN'T GO WELL, RELATED CAME AND FILED ANOTHER
APPLICATION FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT CHANGING FROM R
35 TO R 50.
AND FOR SOME REASON THAT WAS WITHDRAWN.
AND THEN WE COME TO MAY 11, AGAIN, WITH THE SAME PD SITE
CONTROLLED PLAN AS WAS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE APPLICATION IN
NOVEMBER '22 AND MAY 11, 2023.
THOSE SUBSTANTIAL SITE PLANS WERE IDENTICAL IN TERMS OF
HEIGHT, SCALE, SQUARE FOOTAGE, AND GENERAL AMENITIES.
WE'RE BACK TONIGHT.
THERE'S NO MORE DIFFERENCE.
I ASK YOU TO CONSIDER IF IT WAS NOT APPROPRIATE TO CHANGE R
35 THROUGH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO R 83 IN
NOVEMBER 82, TELL US WHERE THE DIFFERENCES ARE THAT MAKE IT
APPROPRIATE TO CHANGE FROM MEDIUM DENSITY R 35 TO HIGH
DENSITY R 83 TODAY.
THE COMP PLAN SECTION, GOALS, OBJECTIVES, POLICIES, LU
OBJECTIVE 8.14.3 SAYS THAT PLANNING DEVELOPMENT REZONING IS

NOT TO BE USED FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF WAIVING ESTABLISHED
LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
I BELIEVE THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT IS OCCURRING HERE.
RELATED IS ASKING YOU TO RETURN THIS WITHOUT USING A
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO AN R 83 TYPE HIGH DENSITY,
HIGH-RISE UNIT.
IT SHOULD BE DENIED.
1:37:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MARK GESSNER.
SPEAKER NUMBER 30.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND GO AHEAD, SIR.
1:37:19AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS MARK GESSNER.
I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE TAMPA JCCs.
YOU HEARD FROM MY COLLEAGUE JACK ROSS A WHILE AGO ABOUT A
VARIETY OF REASONS WHY WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PLAN.
I WANT TO EMPHASIZE ONE POINT.
OUR PRESCHOOL HAS BEEN ON THIS PROPERTY FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS.
MANY OF OUR FAMILIES HAVE GROWN UP THERE AND IT'S NEAR AND
DEAR TO US.
IT'S NEAR AND DEAR TO THE JEWISH COMMUNITY AT-LARGE.
WHILE IT'S A SHORT-TERM DISRUPTION FOR US, WE CAN DEAL WITH
THE SHORT TERM.
WHAT'S MORE TROUBLING WOULD BE LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY AND
STRENGTH OF OUR COMMUNITY.

THIS IS AN ANCHOR IN OUR COMMUNITY.
IT IS THE ONLY SYNAGOGUE IN THE COMMUNITY AND WE SUPPORT IT
BECAUSE WE WANT TO SEE THAT STRENGTH FOR MANY YEARS TO COME
AND WE NEED THAT SUPPORT NOW MORE THAN EVER.
SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO A HEALTHY COMMUNITY FOR YEARS TO COME
IN SUPPORT OF RODEPH.
THAT'S IT.
1:38:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
NEXT IS DENNIS LEVINE, NUMBER 31.
YES, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
1:38:34AM >> THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.
MY NAME IS DENNIS LEVINE.
I'M A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF TAMPA AND A LIFELONG RESIDENT,
MEMBER OF RODEPH SHOLOM SYNAGOGUE.
I WANT TO MAKE A FEW POINTS.
I'M NOSTALGIC.
I MISS EATING LUNCH AT THE COLONNADE AND MISS EATING AT THE
GARDENS, BUT I PREFER THERE BE NO CONDOS ON BAYSHORE.
TAMPA IS A MUCH DIFFERENT PLACE FROM THE LITTLE TOWN I GREW
UP IN.
I'M SO PROUD OF WHAT TAMPA HAS BECOME.
THINGS HAVE CHANGED.
CONDOS ON BAYSHORE ARE A REALITY.
IF YOU STAND ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD AT BAY TO BAY, YOU'LL SEE

AT LEAST TEN CONDOMINIUM BUILDINGS.
THIS CURRENT APPLICATION IS NOT UNUSUAL, AND IT'S NOT
INCONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD USE.
THIS IS SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
YOU CAN SEE IT WITH YOUR OWN EYES.
THIS IS WHAT TAMPA IS BECOMING.
SO ANY TALK THAT THIS PROJECT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE
NEIGHBORHOOD IS NONSENSE.
I WOULD SAY THE CONCERNS OF THE GARDEN CLUB, I HEAR THEM,
BUT LET'S BE CLEAR, NOBODY LIVES AT THE GARDEN CLUB.
NOBODY LIVES THERE.
I UNDERSTAND IT'S A CLUB.
THEY ARE NOT RESIDENTS.
THIS APPLICATION IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING ON
BAYSHORE.
I WANT TO ADD SOMETHING ELSE.
SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL WERE MEMBERS WHEN YOU
CONSIDERED REZONING OF THE STOVALL HOUSE FIVE YEARS AGO.
THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS, THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY LIVED
NEXT TO THAT PROPERTY, THEY LIVED THERE, CAME OUT IN MASS
AND PROTESTED.
I WAS ONE OF THEM.
WHY?
I OWN A HOUSE DIRECTLY BEHIND THE STOVALL PROPERTY.
I SPOKE PASSIONATELY AS MY NEIGHBORS DID ABOUT THE NEGATIVE

IMPACT THE PROJECT WOULD HAVE ON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
HOW IT WAS INCONSISTENT, INCOMPATIBLE.
WHAT HAPPENED?
WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
COUNCIL APPROVED THAT REZONING, INCLUDING A LIQUOR LICENSE
FOR THE STOVALL HOUSE.
WHY?
WELL, BECAUSE THEY SAID IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S
HAPPENING ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
THEY TALKED ABOUT THE FUTURE VISION OF TAMPA AS AMERICA'S
NEXT GREAT CITY.
I SUPPOSE ALSO THEY FIGURED THE NEIGHBORS WOULD HAVE TO DEAL
WITH IT AND WE DID.
I ENDED UP SELLING MY HOUSE TO BLAKE CASPER, BECAUSE I
WASN'T GOING TO BUILD A HOUSE NEXT TO THAT CLUB WITH ALL
THAT PARKING.
NOTHING DIFFERENT HERE.
I ASKED THE CITY COUNCIL TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S
VISION OF THE CONTINUED TRANSFORMATION OF TAMPA AND THE
TRANSFORMATION OF BAYSHORE BOULEVARD AND ASK YOU TO SUPPORT
THIS REZONING.
THANK YOU.
1:41:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
YES, SIR, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
1:41:21AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
STOVALL HOUSE --

1:41:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOUR MICROPHONE.
1:41:24AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WAS ON THE COUNCIL THEN AND I VOTED
AGAINST IT.
1:41:29AM >> I KNOW YOU DID, SIR.
1:41:30AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
1:41:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NEXT UP IS JONATHAN TANNIN, NUMBER 32.
YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
1:41:45AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS JONATHAN TANNIN.
I AM A RESIDENT OF TAMPA.
I AM A BOARD MEMBER AT CONGREGATION RODEPH SHOLOM, AND I
VOLUNTEER THERE AS A VOLUNTEER SUNDAY SCHOOLTEACHER.
RODEPH IS A TAMPA LANDMARK THAT LIKE MANY OTHER INSTITUTIONS
HAVE FACED RISING COSTS.
THIS PROJECT WILL ALLOW US TO MAINTAIN OUR BUILDING IN ITS
EXISTING LOCATION AND HOPEFULLY REMAIN THERE FOR GENERATIONS
TO COME.
WE'VE BEEN DOING GREAT THINGS WITH OUR SUNDAY SCHOOL
PROGRAM.
WE RECENTLY HIRED A NEW EDUCATION DIRECTOR.
WE'VE BEEN BRINGING IN A LOT OF NEW KIDS, AND WE HOPE TO BE
ABLE TO CONTINUE DOING THAT AND BUILDING ON THAT.
I'VE HEARD PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THIS PROJECT ON
THE COMMUNITY.
WE ARE A PART OF THE TAMPA COMMUNITY.

WE'RE PART OF THE BAYSHORE COMMUNITY, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO
CONTINUE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THAT FOR, AS I SAID, GENERATIONS
TO COME INTO THE INDEFINITE FUTURE.
OTHERS HAVE TALKED ABOUT HOW THIS PROJECT WILL BENEFIT
TAMPA.
IT WILL BRING TAX REVENUE TO THE CITY.
IT WILL GENERATE JOBS THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.
IT WILL GENERATE BUSINESS FOR THE NEW RESIDENTIAL UNITS,
WILL GENERATE BUSINESS FOR LOCAL BUSINESSES.
SO THIS IS A GOOD THING FOR THE CITY.
I'M ALSO A LAWYER, LAND USE IS NOT MY AREA, BUT I THINK IT'S
IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL
PROCEEDING, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU ALL NEED TO BE FAIR AND
IMPARTIAL AND VOTE BASED ON THE EVIDENCE BEFORE YOU.
IT'S NOT ABOUT HOW CHARISMATIC OR FOLKSY OR FUNNY OR ANGRY
THE SPEAKERS UP HERE ARE OR HOW MANY OPPONENTS THERE ARE
VERSUS HOW MANY SUPPORTERS.
IT'S ABOUT WHETHER YOU'VE BEEN PRESENTED WITH COMPETENT
SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE REZONING.
AND YOU'VE HEARD THAT EVIDENCE FROM YOUR OWN STAFFERS.
YOU'VE HEARD THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN OF TAMPA.
YOU'VE HEARD THAT IT WILL IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC IN THE AREA
THROUGH ELIMINATING THE EXISTING TRAFFIC WAIVER.
AND IT'S ALSO CONSISTENT WITH OTHER RESIDENTIAL TOWERS THAT

ARE IN THIS AREA.
IT WILL NOT DISRUPT THE COMMUNITY.
YOU'VE HEARD THE EVIDENCE.
YOU NEED TO VOTE IN FAVOR AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO VOTE IN
FAVOR.
THANK YOU.
1:43:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
NEXT SPEAKER IS BOB WHITMORE.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, SIR.
YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
1:44:09AM >> I WILL TRY NOT TO BE HUMOROUS, FUNNY OR WHATEVER THE
OTHER THING WAS.
BOB WHITMORE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF CITY TREE.
THEY SAVED AN EXTRA GRAND TREE.
WHOO.
I'M HUMBLED THAT CHANGED THE PROJECT BECAUSE NOTHING ELSE,
NOTHING ELSE HAS CHANGED.
THEY GOT RID OF THE PICKLEBALL COURT, TOO.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING INTO THAT.
REALLY, I CAN'T TALK ABOUT TREES ON THIS PROJECT THANKS, OF
COURSE, TO THE FACT THAT THIS CITY ALLOWS 50% OF THE TREES
TO BE REMOVED BY A DEVELOPER.
32 PROTECTED TREES TO BE EXACT IN THIS INSTANCE, NOT THAT
THEY HAD TO REMOVE 50%, BUT HEY, SAID WE COULD, SO LET'S
TAKE THEM ALL.

AND THEN THERE IS THE FACT THAT THEY ARE GETTING TREE
CREDITS FOR A TREE THAT WASN'T EVEN THREATENED AND ISN'T ON
THE PROPERTY.
I HOPE SOMEBODY ASKS RICKY ABOUT THAT WHEN HE COMES UP.
RELATED AS WE'VE HEARD AS AN ABYSMAL RECORD OF PRESERVING
TREES UP TO AND INCLUDING THE DAY I WATCHED A REPRESENTATIVE
OF RELATED RITZ-CARLTON PROJECT STAND HERE AND DEFIANTLY
REFUSE A REQUEST FROM THIS COUNCIL TO PROTECT A 200-YEAR-OLD
TREE WITH A PERMEABLE SIDEWALK AND THEN RAN FROM THE
BUILDING WITH CHANNEL 8 CHASING THEM WHICH WAS PRETTY FUNNY.
SINCE BOB WHITMORE OF CITY TREE CAN'T TALK ABOUT TREES, BOB
WHITMORE THE CITIZEN WOULD LIKE TO SHARE A FEW THOUGHTS.
TAXES.
IS THAT WHAT THEY REALLY THINK THIS IS ABOUT?
TAXES.
REVENUE AT ANY COST IS NOT WHAT THIS COUNCIL DOES DEAR
APPLICANT AND NOT WHAT WE DO HERE IN TAMPA.
THEN THEY SPEAK ABOUT UNDERDEVELOPED PROPERTY.
UNDERDEVELOPED PROPERTY, THE SOVEREIGN SONG OF DEVELOPER,
ANY PROPERTY THAT HASN'T HAD A SOLVE PUT INTO IT IS
UNDERDEVELOPED.
EVEN SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ON SINGLE LOTS, I'VE SEEN IN THESE
CHAMBERS, STEVE SAYS THEY ARE UNDERDEVELOPED.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I HAVEN'T HEARD TONIGHT?
TEN POUNDS OF CRAP IN A FIVE POUND BAG WHICH IS WHAT THIS

IS.
IT'S A MONSTER.
IT'S NOT TAMPA.
IS THIS WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO BECOME, REALLY?
I DRIVE BY THAT RITZ-CARLTON MONUMENT TO TREEMAGEDDON RUIN
BAYSHORE BOULEVARD, THEY RUINED IT AND HARD TO LOOK AT IT.
IT SERIOUSLY, SERIOUSLY IS.
THIS PROJECT IS NOT JUST INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA, IT'S
INCOMPATIBLE WITH TAMPA.
WE ARE NOT MIAMI.
THERE I SAID IT.
AND THIS PROJECT SETS A PRECEDENT OR AT LEAST ATTEMPTS TO
CONTINUE A PRECEDENT SET BY THE RITZ-CARLTON.
THAT WAS A HECK OF A MISTAKE.
A MISTAKE THAT THIS IS OUR WAY OF SAYING NO.
BAYSHORE WILL NOT BECOME A ROW OF MONOLITHIC, BRUTALISH
STRUCTURES WITH NO ARCHITECTURAL VALUE.
LET'S BE CLEAR, WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THE SYNAGOGUE CLOSE,
BUT WE WILL NOT RANSOM THE CHARACTER OF BAYSHORE TO SAVE IT.
I'M SORRY.
WE JUST WON'T.
THERE ARE LOTS OF REASONS -- IT'S BIG.
IT'S UGLY, AND NO ONE WANTS IT BUILT.
NOT ONE OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS WANTS THIS BUILT UNLESS, OF
COURSE, THEY ARE MAKING MONEY ON IT AND THAT IS NOT A REASON

TO GO AHEAD AND SAY YES.
SO THE FACT IS, I WANT TO PROPOSE FOR CONSIDERATION TAMPA
DOES NOT WANT THIS KIND OF CONSTRUCTION ON BAYSHORE
BOULEVARD.
1:47:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT IS JILL CORCORAN, NUMBER 34.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
1:47:35AM >> JILL CORCORAN.
CORNER OF BAYSHORE BOULEVARD AND SANTIAGO STREET.
I HAVE BEEN LIVING THE NIGHTMARE OF THE RITZ-CARLTON FOR THE
LAST TWO YEARS.
I ONLY HAD ABOUT FOUR HOURS OF SLEEP BECAUSE MY FLIGHT GOT
IN VERY LATE LAST NIGHT.
APOLOGIZE FOR MY VOICE.
BUT I HAVE DEALT WITH THESE FOLKS OVER THE LAST YEAR.
I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY WHO CAME UP AND TALKED ABOUT THE
ACTUAL SIZE OF THE BUILDING.
THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
WE DON'T NEED THAT BIG OF A BUILDING AND CERTAINLY NOT FOR
5,000-SQUARE-FOOT RESIDENCES.
BUT I HAVE ALSO MADE A LIST OF A DOZEN OF LAWS, ORDINANCES,
AND REGULATIONS THAT THE RELATED GROUP BLATANTLY DISREGARDS
EVERY DAY, IF NOT EVERY DAY, AT LEAST TWICE A WEEK.
THEY WORK BEFORE HOURS AND AFTER HOURS.
THEY ARE LESS THAN 1500 FEET FROM RESIDENCES, MAINLY MINE

AND THE NINE NEIGHBORS I LIVE NEXT TO.
AND THEY ARE OUT THERE AT 7:00 IN THE MORNING ON SATURDAYS
USING JACK HAMMERS WHICH IS NOT ALLOWED UNTIL AFTER 10 A.M.
EVEN THIS LAST WEEK THEY ARE WORKING AT 5:00 IN THE MORNING.
THEY ARE WORKING AT 11:00 AT NIGHT.
WHEN I GO UP TO THEM AND ASK THEM AND THIS WILL BE MY
QUESTION FOR EVERYONE ON COUNCIL, WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO?
I'VE CALLED THE POLICE, CALLED THE CITY.
I FILED COMPLAINTS.
I'VE DONE EVERYTHING I POSSIBLY CAN.
BUT I'VE GONE TWO YEARS WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO GET A DECENT
NIGHT'S SLEEP.
I HAD TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY FOR A MONTH SO I COULD ENJOY MY
CHRISTMAS.
AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY.
MY NEIGHBOR WHO STAYED FOR CHRISTMAS, ON CHRISTMAS DAY, CAME
HOME AT 6:30 AT NIGHT.
THIS IS 30 MINUTES PAST THE TIME THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BE OUT
THERE AND WAS TOLD BY A WOMAN STANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
STREET SHE COULD NOT COME DOWN THE STREET.
SHE SAYS, I LIVE ON THE STREET.
THE GIRL SAID, NOPE, I'M SORRY, WE CAN'T LET YOU DOWN THE
STREET.
AND SHE SAID, I'M SORRY, BUT I'M GOING DOWN THE STREET, AND
SHE WENT AROUND HER, AND SHE SCREAMED VULGARITIES AT HER.

CHRISTMAS NIGHT.
SO THEN A COUPLE OF HOURS LATER SHE COMES BACK AGAIN BECAUSE
NOW SHE'S COMING BACK FROM HER DAD'S HOUSE FOR DINNER.
THE SAME WOMAN IS OUT THERE AND THREW HERSELF ON THE CAR.
I CAN GIVE YOU THE POLICE CASE NUMBER.
THE POLICE HAD TO BE CALLED TO GET THIS WOMAN OFF THE CAR SO
SHE COULD GET DOWN HER STREET ON CHRISTMAS NIGHT.
THAT'S JUST ONE OF A MILLION OF THESE THAT I CAN POINT OUT
TO YOU.
I'VE COPIOUS QUANTITIES OF VIDEO AND PICTURES THAT YOU CAN
SEE THEM BLATANTLY DISREGARDING YOUR ORDINANCES, THE STATE'S
LAWS, THE COUNTY'S LAWS, EVERYBODY'S LAWS BECAUSE THEY DON'T
CARE ABOUT ANY OF US.
THEY SAY THEY WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, THEY ARE HORRIFIC
NEIGHBORS.
I AM HERE TO JUDGE THAT BECAUSE I HAVE LIVED THROUGH THIS.
THIS IS MY HOME THAT CARROLL ANN WAS SHOWING EARLIER.
THAT'S THE GARBAGE THAT'S BEEN IN MY YARD.
THESE ARE THE BAGS AND BAGS THAT I'VE COLLECTED.
THEY ARE AT THE POINT NOW WHERE THEY ARE AT FELONY
LITTERING.
AT A CERTAIN WEIGHT YOU BECOME A FELONY LITTERING PERSON.
THIS STUFF LANDS IN MY YARD, MY GARDEN, ON ALL OF MY THINGS.
THIS IS MY CAR.
IT IS COVERED WITH WHITE STUFF BECAUSE THEY KEEP DROPPING IT

OFF OF THEIR BUILDING.
EVERY BIT OF GRASS I'VE HAD FOR 20 YEARS I'VE LIVED THERE I
HAD A DECENT LAWN AND NOW I HAVE NOTHING BUT RUBBLE.
THEY PUT IN A SIDEWALK, THEY TOLD YOU THAT THEY WEREN'T
GOING TO TAKE IT OUT BUT THEN THEY WENT TO THE NEWS AND
SAID, OH, WE'LL TAKE IT OUT BUT THEY HAVEN'T.
WHEN I CALLED THIS MORNING, THEY SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING
TO.
1:50:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER --
1:50:50AM >> CAN I GET AN ANSWER?
WHAT DO I DO ABOUT ALL THE LAWS AND ORDINANCES THEY BREAK?
1:50:56AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I'M SORRY, MA'AM, THIS IS NOT AN
OPPORTUNITY FOR DIALOGUE WITH THE COUNCIL.
1:51:03AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO ASK HER A QUESTION.
DID YOU JUST SAY THE SIDEWALK THAT WENT BEHIND THE TREE IS
STILL THERE?
1:51:13AM >> YES.
AND THE GIANT CURB IS TOO.
I WATCHED TWO PEOPLE FALL OVER IT.
1:51:20AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
1:51:20AM >> I ASKED TODAY, WOULD THEY REMOVE IT AND THEY SAID NO.
1:51:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
1:51:27AM >> CLARIFICATION.
THEY DID NOT CONSTRUCT ANY MORE SIDEWALK, CORRECT?

JUST A PORTION, LIKE TWO HOUSES DOWN FROM YOU?
1:51:35AM >> YES.
1:51:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO SIDEWALK AROUND THE TREE IN FRONT OF
YOUR HOUSE.
1:51:38AM >> NO, BUT WHAT THEY DID DO IS SHOVEL A BUNCH OF ROCKS AND
DIRT OVER THE STRUCTURAL ROOTS AND I HAD TO GO OUT AND PICK
THAT UP.
1:51:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER IS HALEY SASSER, NUMBER 37.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
1:51:58AM >> HELLO, EVERYONE.
MY NAME IS HALEY SASSER.
I'M A TAMPA RESIDENT.
I AM ALSO ONE OF THE MANY BRIDES THAT HAS CHOSEN TAMPA
GARDEN CLUB AS THEIR WEDDING VENUE.
I'M ACTUALLY GETTING MARRIED NEXT WEEKEND AT THE TAMPA
GARDEN CLUB, SO I'M SPEAKING HERE TONIGHT OR THIS MORNING
NOT ON BEHALF OF MYSELF BUT ON BEHALF OF FUTURE BRIDES WHO
WILL CHOOSE THIS AS THEIR WEDDING VENUE.
I CHOSE THIS VENUE BECAUSE IT IS TRULY ONE OF A KIND.
IT'S A GREAT LOCATION.
PRETTIEST VIEW OF BAYSHORE AND VERY CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN.
IT HAS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL CEREMONY SPACE, SERENE, PEACEFUL,
AND YOU CAN'T FIND THAT AT OTHER WEDDING VENUES.

DEFINITELY NOT IN THIS AREA.
AND FOR THE REASONS THAT THE PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY PREVIOUSLY
STATED, I AM AFRAID THAT THE BEAUTY OF THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB
WILL BE DIMINISHED FOR FUTURE COUPLES IF THIS PROJECT MOVES
FORWARD.
AND THERE'S ALREADY ENOUGH HIGH-RISES AND CONDOS ON BAYSHORE
BOULEVARD.
PLEASE DO NOT BUILD ANOTHER ONE.
THANK YOU.
1:53:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS KITTY WALLACE, NUMBER 38.
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
1:53:17AM >> HI.
GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS KITTY WALLACE.
I LIVE AT 4902 NORTH COLLINS LANE IN WELLSWOOD AND I AM PAST
PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB.
I'M HERE NOT TO SAY ANY OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD.
THERE HAVE BEEN SOME REALLY WELL CONSTRUCTED SENTENCES.
IT IS ALMOST 2 IN THE MORNING AND I AM NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU
ONE OF THOSE BECAUSE I'M REALLY TIRED.
BUT I AM GOING TO SAY THAT I REMEMBER WHEN YBOR CITY
DECLARED THAT THERE WOULD BE NO BUILDINGS TALLER THAN FOUR
STORIES.
AND SO I THINK IT MUST BE POSSIBLE THAT A COUNCIL CAN DECIDE

ON THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING IN THEIR JURISDICTION.
AND YOU GUYS ARE IN CHARGE OF TAMPA.
SO I'M SAYING WHY DID WE NOT DO THAT IF WE COULD LOOK AT
THAT AGAIN, I THINK THAT WOULD ADDRESS THESE ISSUES AND THE
CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE THAT WE DON'T WANT THIS TO BECOME
ANOTHER MIAMI.
THAT GENTLEMAN WAS TERRIFIC EARLIER WHO SAID WE ARE NOT
MIAMI.
SO I SAY LET'S LOOK AT THAT.
LET'S SEE IF WE CAN'T DEFINE THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS ON
BAYSHORE.
AND WHEN ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS ARE SOMEWHERE IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD OF 150 TO 170 FEET HIGH AND THIS BUILDING IS
SOME KIND OF 320 FEET HIGH, WHATEVER, ISN'T THAT LIKE
GARGANTUANLY OUT OF PLACE?
I SAY IT IS.
I SAY, PLEASE, VOTE NO.
THANK YOU.
1:54:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS STEVEN HIRSCHKOWITZ.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
1:55:08AM >> MY NAME IS STEVE HIRSCHKOWITZ.
HEARD A LOT OF THINGS BANTERED ABOUT TONIGHT.
I CAME TO TAMPA ABOUT 23 YEARS AGO.

STATIONED AT MacDILL.
MY WIFE AND I DECIDED TO RETIRE HERE BECAUSE WE LOVED THE
NEIGHBORHOOD, THE CITY, EVERYTHING ABOUT IT AND ALSO BECAUSE
OF RODEPH SHOLOM.
SO I AM A MEMBER OF RODEPH SHOLOM.
MY DAUGHTER WAS BAT MITZVAH'D THERE AND NOW THE VICE
PRESIDENT.
LET'S PUT ALL THAT ASIDE FOR A MINUTE BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE
OUR REASONS WHY WE WANT TO KEEP THE GARDEN CLUB AND RODEPH
IN PLACE, AS I DO.
BUT I'VE HEARD THE WORD INCOMPATIBLE A LOT.
I THINK EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM, WHEN WE WALK OUT THOSE FRONT
DOORS, IF YOU GO TAKE A DRIVE DOWN BAYSHORE BOULEVARD,
YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF HIGH-RISE BUILDINGS.
IT IS COMPATIBLE.
THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE.
ALSO, THIS BUILDING IS NOT GOING TO BE ON BAYSHORE
BOULEVARD.
WE KEEP HEARING THAT, BUT IT'S NOT.
IT'S GOING TO BE ON YSABELLA.
PART OF WHAT THIS -- PART OF THE DESIGN STRUCTURE THAT WAS
PUT FORTH ENSURES THAT BECAUSE IT KEEPS RODEPH SHOLOM ON
BAYSHORE WITH ALL OF ITS GREEN FRONTAGE AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
THE GARDEN CLUB IS A TAMPA LANDMARK, NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.
AS IS THE SYNAGOGUE.

AND THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT AFFECT EITHER ONE'S
ABILITY TO CONDUCT THEIR BUSINESS.
I'VE BEEN TO A WEDDING AT THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB, AND THE
NOISE THAT I HEARD WAS ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
THERE WASN'T NOISE FROM ANY CONSTRUCTION OR ANYTHING.
IT WAS A LOT OF NOISE.
BUT IT WAS STILL A BEAUTIFUL WEDDING.
WE'VE BEEN GREAT PEACEFUL NEIGHBORS WITH THE TAMPA GARDEN
CLUB FOR OVER 50 YEARS.
THEY HAVE THEIR PARTIES, THEIR VERY LARGE PARTIES.
WEDDINGS, THE FOOD TRUCKS.
WE APPLAUD THEIR EFFORTS BECAUSE IT ALLOWS THEM TO SURVIVE.
WE WOULD NEVER HAVE THE AUDACITY TO TELL THEM HOW TO RUN
THEIR BUSINESS.
WE CAN'T BECOME AN EVENT SPACE OURSELVES BECAUSE WE ARE A
HOUSE OF WORSHIP.
IT'S NOT WHAT WE DO.
WE RELY STRICTLY ON OUR DONATIONS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
OUR SYNAGOGUE SITS NEXT TO THE GARDEN CLUB'S OUTDOOR SPACE.
THE PROPOSED TOWER IS ON THE BACK PART OF OURS.
IT'S NEXT TO THEIR DIRT LOT WHERE -- THEIR PARKING LOT.
AND MAYBE IT WAS A GREEN GRASS AT ONE TIME OR OTHER TYPE OF
THING, BUT IN ALL THE TIME I'VE BEEN HERE, IT HAS NOT BEEN.
IT'S LITERALLY THE FURTHEST POINT AWAY FROM THE GARDEN CLUB
IS WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD THIS BUILDING.

THE SYNAGOGUE -- FURTHER, THERE'S A DEVELOPER AGREEMENT IN
PLACE.
I'VE HEARD A NUMBER OF TIMES ABOUT A SECOND TOWER MAYBE
GOING UP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THERE'S ACTUALLY AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE THAT PREVENTS THAT.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT CAME FROM, BUT CERTAINLY NOT GOING
TO HAPPEN.
I DO APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS.
SO ALL I WOULD SAY -- AND ANOTHER THING, WHEN PEOPLE HAVE
SAID, WELL, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO USE IT.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SELL ALL THE LAND AND -- WELL, WE MAY
END UP HAVING TO DO THAT.
IF THAT'S THE CASE, SO BE IT.
I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN TO US AND
LISTENING TO EVERYBODY HERE AT 2:00 IN THE MORNING.
REALLY DO.
1:58:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS NICK STOCCO.
WHO HAS A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM WITH SEVEN PEOPLE.
YES, SIR, YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
IF YOU WOULD, GIVE IT TO THE ATTORNEY AND WE WILL READ THE
NAMES OFF.
1:58:55AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PLEASE MAKE YOUR PRESENCE KNOWN.
HARRIET PLAYER.
SHARLA WASH.

ELAINE SULLIVAN.
ELAINE SULLIVAN?
IS THERE A JOANNE McNABB?
HAVE YOU SPOKEN PREVIOUSLY.
1:59:15AM >> DIFFERENT CASE.
1:59:16AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DIFFERENT CASE.
THANK YOU.
GEORGE SPRINKLE.
1:59:22AM >> HERE.
1:59:23AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
SANDRA SPRINKLE.
1:59:26AM >> HERE.
1:59:26AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
LORRAINE BODE.
LORRAINE BODE.
NO RESPONSE.
MARY JOE SHANK.
1:59:38AM >> HERE.
1:59:38AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
SIX FOR A TOTAL OF NINE MINUTES.
I HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX.
1:59:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NINE MINUTES.
YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
1:59:57AM >> GOOD MORNING.
NICK STOCCO, PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS UNION, ALSO

A RESIDENT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
2:00:08AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
COULD YOU STOP THE CLOCK, PLEASE.
SORRY TO INTERRUPT, FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE RECORD, IN WHAT
CAPACITY ARE YOU SPEAKING HERE THEN?
2:00:17AM >> PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS.
2:00:20AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
2:00:21AM >> YOU'RE WELCOME.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY.
IT'S LATE.
IT'S ACTUALLY MIND-BLOWING ON THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE
HERE AND HOW WELL YOU HAVE CONDUCTED THIS OPERATION WITH
THIS MANY PEOPLE.
KUDOS TO MS. EDWARDS AND DEFINITELY BIG HUGE ROUND OF
APPLAUSE TO ALL THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT HAVE CAME TO
SPEAK, ESPECIALLY THE ELDERLY.
I MAY BE THE YOUNGEST IN THE ROOM.
I'M PROBABLY THE MOST TIRED, SO I APPLAUD EVERYBODY FOR
EVERYTHING.
I DO HAVE SOME MAPS THAT I WANT TO SHOW ON THIS ELMO.
I THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE BEST I CAN GET FOR NOW.
I WAS GOING TO PLAY A VIDEO, BUT WE'LL DEVIATE FROM THAT.
BEFORE I BEGIN, I JUST WANT TO SAY ON BEHALF OF THE
FIREFIGHTERS, WE'RE NOT HERE FOR.
WE'RE NOT HERE AGAINST.
WE'RE HERE ON FIREFIGHTER ISSUES.

AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT IS A WORKLOAD ANALYSIS ON
HOW CONDITIONS ARE RIGHT NOW FOR FACTS BASED OFF OF
HIGH-RISE RESPONSES AND THE WORKLOAD ON THE FIREFIGHTERS
THAT'S BEING PUT ON BY THIS COMMUNITY.
DEVELOPMENTS INCLUDED A FIRE STATION ON THE FIRST FLOOR, WE
PROBABLY WOULD BE HERE IN FAVOR FOR.
BUT WE'RE HERE TO PRESENT SOME FACTS.
THIS MAP HERE SHOWS A PERCENTAGE OF POPULATION OF UNDER FIVE
AND OVER 65 YEARS OF AGE.
THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF THE VULNERABLE POPULATION ARE IN
THE SOUTH CENTRAL AREA BETWEEN STATIONS 9 AND 12.
WHICH ARE RIGHT HERE.
THE OTHER MOST IMPORTANT AREA IS EAST OF STATION 15 ALONG
HILLSBOROUGH BAY AND WEST OF STATION 14 AND 15 RIGHT ALONG
THIS CORRIDOR HERE, DOWN HERE.
THESE ARE OUR GROUPS WHERE OUR PEOPLE ARE MOST VULNERABLE.
THE ELDERLY ABOVE 65.
WE SAW IT HERE TODAY.
THE LIMITED MOBILITY TO GO FROM ONE FLOOR TO THE NEXT.
WHEN AN EMERGENCY ARISES, THE FIRST THING THAT GOES OUT
OTHER THAN THE FIRE ALARM IS THE DISCONTINUATION OF
ELEVATORS.
AND WHEN THE ELEVATORS STOP WORKING, PEOPLE NEED TO USE
FLIGHTS OF STAIRS.
FIREFIGHTERS ARE KNOWN FOR GOING IN TO RESCUE PEOPLE AND UP

THESE STAIRWELLS.
BUT WHAT WE NEED IS MORE FIREFIGHTERS.
STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT THE MORE FIREFIGHTERS THAT ARRIVE AT
THE SCENE OF A FIRE, THE LESS TIME IT TAKES TO COMPLETE ALL
TASKS ASSOCIATED WITH FIRE SUPPRESSION, SEARCH AND RESCUE
AND OTHER CRITICAL FIRE ACTIVITIES.
A HIGH-RISE BUILDING IS DEFINED AS A BUILDING HIGHER THAN
SEVEN STORIES OR 75 FEET.
FROM A FIRE DEPARTMENT RESPONSE CAPABILITY, SOME LARGE
COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES ARE CONSIDERED AS HIGH-RISES NOT DUE
TO THEIR HEIGHT BUT THEIR SIZE.
SOME EXAMPLES ARE THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA, HCC, ROBINSON
HIGH SCHOOL, PLANT HIGH SCHOOL AND IT'S DUE TO THE HIGH
HAZARD OF OCCUPANTS THAT THEY HAVE.
THE INITIAL DISPATCH TO A HIGH-RISE ALARM CALLS FOR A
MINIMUM OF 43 FIREFIGHTERS.
BELOW I HAVE SOME OF THE STATIONS AND WHERE THE FIREFIGHTERS
ARE.
AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE AREAS OF SOUTH TAMPA, STATIONS 19, 15,
14, 3, 17, 8, 0 ARE NOT ALLOWED TO LEAVE BECAUSE IT'S AT THE
AIRPORT AND 9 ARE WHAT WOULD MAKE THE INITIAL RESPONSE OF A
HIGH-RISE INCIDENT IN SOUTH TAMPA.
THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE AT AN INITIAL RESPONSE AND
HOW MANY STATIONS WOULD BE WIPED OUT BY JUST ONE CALL FOR A
BURNT TOAST.

NO SMOKE, NO FIRE.
BUT JUST AN INITIAL RESPONSE FOR A HIGH-RISE AND THAT'S HOW
MANY STATIONS WOULD GET WIPED OUT.
ONCE WE ARRIVE ON SCENE, IF WE DETERMINE THAT THERE'S ANY
SMOKE OR FIRE, IT WOULD DOUBLE THE RESPONSE DUE TO THE
WORKLOAD ANALYSIS.
AND THIS IS HOW MANY STATIONS WOULD BE WIPED OUT.
THAT'S ABOUT 80 FIREFIGHTERS FOR ANY HIGH-RISE RESPONSE AND
ANY HIGH-RISE THAT HAS SMOKE OR FLAMES SHOWING.
THAT'S HOW MANY RESOURCES ARE DEPLETED IN THE CITY.
THAT'S IN CURRENT DAY'S TIME TODAY.
THIS WOULD BE APPLICABLE IF EVERY UNIT WERE IN SERVICE.
THAT'S IF NO ONE WAS ON A CALL.
AND WE AVERAGE A CALL EVERY SIX MINUTES.
THIS MAP IS IF EVERY UNIT IS AVAILABLE.
IDENTIFIES WHERE WE CAN ASSEMBLE 43 FIREFIGHTERS WITHIN TEN
MINUTES AND TEN SECONDS.
ALL THE AREAS IN GRAY ARE ALL AREAS THAT CANNOT BE COVERED
FOR AN FPA STANDARD.
WHAT THOSE INDICATE IS TRAVEL TIME.
WE KEEP HEARING YSABELLA.
AND WE KEEP HEARING BAY TO BAY.
I SPENT THREE YEARS AS A FIREMAN DOWN AT SOUTH TAMPA.
THERE'S ONLY ONE AERIAL TRUCK DOWN THERE.
AND ONE AERIAL TRUCK THAT TAKES DALE MABRY TO BAY TO BAY AND

YSABELLA TO PALM, TO HOWARD, TO REACH THE ESTATES SENIOR
CITIZEN HOME BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY WAY IT WOULD HIT HOWARD
FROM PALMA CEIA, BECAUSE WE COULDN'T TAKE MORRISON BECAUSE
THE TRUCK WAS TOO BIG AND THE ROAD WAS TOO NARROW AND THERE
WOULD BE TOO MANY VEHICLES DOWN MORRISON.
FROM A RESPONSE ANALYSIS POINT, THE FACTS ARE WE DO NOT HAVE
SUFFICIENT COVERAGE IN THE CITY TO COVER THOSE GRAY AREAS ON
THIS MAP FROM TRAVEL TIME AND A HIGH HAZARD RESPONSE.
THE ONLY WAY TO IMPROVE TRAVEL DISTANCE IS TO BUILD MORE
STATIONS SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE TRAVEL IS FROM THE
STARTING POINT.
WE WILL AS FIREFIGHTERS CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE THE FACT ON
NEEDING MORE FIREFIGHTERS FOR RESPONSE AREAS, NOT JUST ON
THIS ISSUE, BUT ON ALL ISSUES.
AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO COME HERE AS WE SEE NECESSARY AND
FIT.
THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, FOR YOUR TIME.
2:08:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR, THANK YOU.
NEXT IS SALLY DEE.
YES, SIR, CREMER.
2:08:12AM >> YES, SIR, MR. CHAIR.
I NEED TO RESPECTFULLY OBJECT TO THIS TESTIMONY.
IT'S NOT FOCUSED ON THE REZONING AT HAND.
I DO COME FROM A FAMILY OF FARMERS AND FIRST RESPONDERS, SO
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

2:08:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
2:08:34AM >> SALLY DEE.
I THINK THEY ARE PLAYING A VIDEO.
DO YOU HAVE A VIDEO?
2:08:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DID YOU SUBMIT A VIDEO?
2:08:43AM >> YES.
2:08:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GIVE US A MOMENT HERE AND WE'LL BRING IT
UP.
THIS IS PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION.
2:08:50AM >> YES.
ONE OF THE GALS THAT IS A STUDENT AT THE RODEPH WANTED TO
SPEAK.
SHE COULD NOT BE HERE SO SHE SUBMITTED A VIDEO.
2:08:58AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS THIS --
2:09:00AM >> I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK.
JUST THE VIDEO.
2:09:03AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF CTTV CAN PLAY THE VIDEO THAT WAS
RECEIVED.
2:09:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FROM SALLY DEE.
2:09:13AM >> CAROL.
CAROL WALDEN.
2:09:16AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE ONE THAT RUNS ABOUT THREE MINUTES.
ONE MINUTE AND 45 SECONDS.
I HEAR IT.

DON'T SEE IT.
2:09:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
RAISE THE VOLUME, PLEASE AND START FROM
THE BEGINNING.
2:09:29AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
COULD YOU REWIND IT?
2:09:32AM >> AN IMPORTANT --
2:09:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE START --
2:09:40AM >> HI.
MY NAME IS SARAH BAHARD.
JUNIOR AT PLANT HIGH SCHOOL AND 3904 WEST SAN JUAN STREET.
I AM UNABLE TO SPEAK TO YOU IN PERSON TONIGHT AS I AM AT THE
JEWISH COMMUNITY CENTER ALONG WITH MY CLASSMATES FROM RODEPH
SHOLOM RELIGIOUS SCHOOL ATTENDING AN IMPORTANT DISCUSSION
FOR TEENS IN ISRAEL AND RISE OF ANTI-SEMITISM.
EVEN AT MY YOUNG AGE I FEEL A DEEP CONNECTION TO MY
SYNAGOGUE.
MY FAMILY HAS BEEN A PART OF RODEPH SHOLOM FOR FIVE
GENERATIONS.
GREAT-GRANDPARENTS MARRIED AT RODEPH AND I AM ONE OF 34
MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY TO BECOME A CONGREGATION REGISTERED
ALUM SO FAR.
MORE THAN THAT, MY LOVE AND DEDICATION TO JUDAISM ALL BEGAN
AT RODEPH FROM ATTENDING PRESCHOOL AND GOING TO FAMILY
PROGRAMS AS A YOUNG CHILD TO LEARNING MY RELIGION AND MAKING
LIFE LONG FRIENDS AT RELIGIOUS SCHOOL TO NOW VOLUNTEERING
EVERY WEEK AS A TEACHERS ASSISTANT AT RODEPH SHOLOM SUNDAY

SCHOOL.
MY WONDERFUL EXPERIENCES OUR SYNAGOGUE HAVE HELPED SHAPE THE
YOUNG ADULT I AM TODAY.
IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A SOURCE OF PRIDE TO ME TO SEE RODEPH
SHOLOM AS A LANDMARK ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
I THINK IT SENDS A POWERFUL MESSAGE TO TAMPA BAY AND THE
WORLD THAT TAMPA IS AN ACCEPTING, DIVERSE AND INCLUSIVE
COMMUNITY.
RODEPH SHOLOM HAS A BRIGHT FUTURE AND I CONSIDER MYSELF A
PART OF THE FUTURE.
JEWISH FAITH IS PASSED DOWN THROUGH OUR PARENTS AND I HOPE
TO ONE DAY WORSHIP WITH MY OWN CHILDREN IN THE BEAUTIFUL
SYNAGOGUE ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
YOU HAVE THE POWER TO MAKE THE DREAM A REALITY.
THIS ISSUE IS A MATTER OF SIMPLE ECONOMICS FOR THE LONG-TERM
FINANCIAL WELL-BEING OF OUR SYNAGOGUE.
OUR PRESENCE HERE TODAY SIGNIFIES OUR SEARCH FOR A SOLUTION
TO ENSURE WE CAN REMAIN IN OUR BELOVED HOME.
PLEASE VOTE YES ON REZ 24-6 TO ENSURE RODEPH SHOLOM WILL
CONTINUE TO THRIVE ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD FOR GENERATIONS TO
COME.
2:11:24AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL
ATTORNEY.
MY APOLOGIES FOR ALL THESE ISSUES COMING UP DURING THIS
HEARING, BUT I REALIZE THAT IN A QUASI-JUDICIAL SETTING

THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY FOR CROSS-EXAMINATION HERE.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OBJECTION, BUT I JUST WANT COUNCIL
TO BE AWARE IN LIGHT OF THAT, WE'LL HAVE TO BE VERY MINDFUL
OF WHEN PEOPLE SUBMIT THESE SORT OF IT MUST THAT ARE
PRERECORDED.
SO I WOULD ASK COUNCIL TO WEIGH THAT ACCORDINGLY, THAT
THERE'S BEEN NO OPPORTUNITY HERE IF THERE WAS ONE.
WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT IN THE FUTURE AND PLEASE BE
JUST AWARE OF THAT AS YOU WEIGH ALL THE EVIDENCE.
2:12:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS STEVEN HAUBENSTOCK.
YES, SIR.
2:12:30AM >> MY NAME IS STEVEN HAUBENSTOCK.
THERE IS MY NUMBER.
GOOD MORNING, I APPRECIATE EVERYONE BEING HERE FOR SUCH A
LONG TIME.
THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ON THE CONGREGATION RODEPH SHOLOM
PROPERTY SHOWS THAT TAMPA IS AN INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY THAT
VALUES ITS HISTORY WHILE EMBRACING GROWTH.
THIS CO-LOCATION ALLOWS THE SYNAGOGUE TO EXIST ALONG WITH
MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF TAMPA.
THE COUNCIL CAN DEMONSTRATE WITH THIS APPROVAL A WILLINGNESS
TO ADAPT AND FIND INNOVATIVE SOLUTIONS TO PRESERVE CHERISHED
LANDMARKS.
THE CO-LOCATION PLAN IS A WIN-WIN FOR TAMPA AND CONGREGATION

RODEPH SHOLOM.
THIS PRESERVES A PART OF TAMPA HISTORY.
THE FACT IS BAYSHORE IS BECOMING MORE URBAN.
THIS APPROVAL WILL ALLOW RELIGIOUS SERVICES TO BE ADJACENT
TO LIVING QUARTERS, NOT ONLY HAVING HOUSING IN THE AREA.
THE CITY AND ALL OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WILL ALSO BENEFIT
FROM PROMISED IMPROVEMENTS PROPOSED BY RELATED COMPANY FOR
FRED BALL PARK AND THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD, INCLUDING
LANDSCAPING, SIDEWALKS, A NEW CROSSWALK FOR IMPROVED ACCESS
FROM THE PRESBYTERIAN SENIOR APARTMENTS TO THE PARK AND THE
PROMISE TO REPAVE YSABELLA AND BARCELONA STREETS.
IF ALL THAT IS NOT ENOUGH, THIS WILL TAKE PROPERTY CURRENTLY
GENERATING ZERO PROPERTY TAXES TO A PROPERTY GENERATING
AROUND $1 MILLION A YEAR IN PROPERTY TAXES FOR THE CITIZENS
OF TAMPA.
PLEASE APPROVE THIS CHANGE.
THANK YOU.
2:14:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MY NEXT SPEAKER IS ALEXANDER ARIGO.
AND THEN I HAVE ALEXANDRA DERIMO.
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
2:14:37AM >> HI.
I'M ALEX ARIGO, 921 NORTH CENTRAL AVENUE IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA.
I COULD WALK TO THE SYNAGOGUE.
OVER THE LAST SEVEN YEARS I'VE SEEN RENTAL PRICES RISE

DRASTICALLY MAKING HOUSING UNAFFORDABLE.
FORMER UT STUDENT I AIM TO OWN A HOME BUT WITH THE MEDIAN
HOUSE PRICE AT $416,000, THAT SEEMS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE.
I BELIEVE TAMPA'S HOUSING SHORTAGE IS A CORE ISSUE.
THE PROPOSED CONDO TOWER OFFERS A SOLUTION.
BABY BOOMERS RETIRING IN LARGE NUMBERS, THERE IS A GROWING
DEMAND FOR HOUSING OPTIONS LIKE THIS.
BY TRANSITIONING FROM HOME OWNERSHIP TO CONDO LIVING, THESE
INDIVIDUALS CAN HELP ALLEVIATE HOUSING PRESSURE AND CREATE
VACANCIES THEREBY DRIVING DOWN PRICES.
VOTING YES FOR INITIATIVES THAT FOSTER HOUSING DEVELOPMENT
IS IMPORTANT FOR RETAINING OUR CITY'S EDUCATED AND TALENTED
GRADUATES.
MY GENERATION IS TAMPA'S FUTURE.
IT'S EASY FOR THOSE WHO HAVE ENJOYED THE BENEFITS OF HOME
OWNERSHIP FOR DECADES TO OPPOSE PROJECTS LIKE THIS CONDO
TOWER.
I URGE YOU TO CONSIDER THE LONG-TERM IMPLICATIONS OF YOUR
DECISION ON THE FUTURE OF TAMPA AND THE NEXT GENERATION OF
HOMEOWNERS.
BY APPROVING PROJECTS LIKE THE LUXURY CONDO TOWER, WE ARE
NOT ONLY CREATING OPPORTUNITIES FOR INDIVIDUALS LIKE MYSELF
BUT ALSO LAYING THE GROUNDWORK FOR A PROSPEROUS AND
INCLUSIVE FUTURE FOR OUR CITY.
PLEASE PRIORITIZE THE NEEDS OF OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY AND VOTE

YES.
THANK YOU.
2:16:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT UP WE HAVE ALEXANDRA DERIMO.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
2:16:12AM >> HI.
I'M ALEX DERIMO.
6207 SOUTH WEST SHORE BOULEVARD IN TAMPA.
AND I AM HERE TO SHOW MY SUPPORT FOR THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
AS A YOUNG PROFESSIONAL AND RECENT GRADUATE FROM THE
UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA, I HAVE WITNESSED THE RAPID GROWTH IN
TAMPA BAY AND HOUSING CRISIS THAT OUR COMMUNITY FACES.
I MYSELF HAVE EXPERIENCED IMMENSE STRUGGLES IN FINDING
HOUSING BOTH RENTING AND BUYING.
SHORTAGE OF HOUSING IN TAMPA HAS CREATED A PRESSING
CHALLENGE IN ACCOMMODATING THE 150 PEOPLE WHO HAVE MOVED
HERE EVERY DAY OVER THE LAST DECADE.
THIS LOOK OF HOUSING HAS LED TO SKYROCKETING HOME PRICES
MAKING IT INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT FOR YOUNG INDIVIDUALS LIKE
MYSELF TO LIVE IN THE AREA.
NOT ONLY DOES THIS MAKE PURCHASING A HOME UNAFFORDABLE BUT
ENCOURAGES URBAN SPRAWL, FORCING TO US LIVE ON THE OUTSKIRTS
OF TAMPA, RESULTING IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF LOW DENSITY, CAR
DEPENDENT NEIGHBORHOODS.

I URGE YOU TO CONSIDER THE BENEFITS OF THIS PROJECT AND THE
EFFECT IT WILL HAVE ON OUR COMMUNITY FOR GENERATIONS TO
COME.
THE REJECTION OF THIS PROJECT WILL HINDER COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT AND HOUSING AVAILABILITY FURTHER ENHANCING
HOUSING ACCESS INEQUITY.
WE AS A COMMUNITY NEED TO PRIORITIZE THE CREATION OF HOUSING
TO MEET THE GROWING DEMANDS OF THIS AREA.
THANK YOU.
2:17:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MAUREEN.
NUMBER 48.
YES, MA'AM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
2:17:34AM >> YES.
THANK YOU.
MY NAME IS MAUREEN AYRAL.
I AM A MANAGING DIRECTOR OF INVESTMENTS AT WELLS FARGO
ADVISORS.
I LIVE AT 3401 BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
I HAVE LIVED ON BAYSHORE OR WITHIN BLOCKS OF THE BOULEVARD
SINCE 1981.
I'M AN AVID RUNNER AND WALKER.
I AM OUT THERE EVERY DAY FOUR TO FIVE MILES OVER AN HOUR.
I LOVE THE BOULEVARD.

I'M COMMITTED TO THIS SPACE AND I APPROACH THIS DECISION
WITH AN OPEN MIND.
I SAT IN COMMUNITY MEETINGS FROM BOTH SIDES, AND I AM HERE
TO ADVOCATE FOR THIS PROJECT.
ONE OF MY JOBS IS HELPING THE 10,000 BABY BOOMERS WHO ARE
TURNING AGE 65 EVERY SINGLE DAY HERE.
I PERSONALLY ADVISE 200 AFFLUENT TAMPA FAMILIES WHO ARE ON
AN AVERAGE AGE OF 67.
THEY ARE EITHER ALREADY RETIRED OR NEARING RETIREMENT AND
NOT A FINANCIAL PLANNING SESSION GOES BY WITHOUT THEM
DISCUSSING THE DESIRE TO DOWNSIZE.
THEY ARE YOUR MARKET WHO ARE GOING TO BUY THESE
CONDOMINIUMS.
AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE SELLING THEIR SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
TO ME, THAT'S A WIN-WIN.
WE HAVE TO GET THIS INVENTORY MOVING.
SO THAT IS JUST ONE OF THE MANY REASONS I AM IN SUPPORT OF
THIS.
SECONDARILY, FRED BALL PARK, I'VE BEEN GOING THERE SINCE MY
CHILDREN WERE IN BABY JOGGERS, AND WITHOUT A DOUBT, IT'S GOT
A LOT OF POTENTIAL, BUT IT NEEDS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF
WORK.
I BELIEVE IN OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS.
MY HOPE ON CHAPIN WAS ACTUALLY ON THE ROSE CIRCLE TOUR.
THESE ARE FABULOUS GROUPS.

HOWEVER THIS PARK NEEDS PROFESSIONAL HELP AND BIG BUCKS, AND
I THINK WE WOULD BE GIVING UP A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY TO
NOT WORK WITH RELATED ON PROVIDING THE GUIDANCE AND
PROFESSIONAL ASSISTANCE AND FUNDING THAT WILL BRING THIS
PARK UP TO THE STANDARDS THAT WE'RE SEEING AT WATER STREET.
MY CLIENTS ARE NOT GOING TO MOVE TO WATER STREET OR TO
DOWNTOWN TAMPA, WHICH THEY THINK ARE SKETCHY.
WHAT THEY WANT IS THE BEAUTY AND SERENITY OF BAYSHORE.
THEY HAVE VISITED MY CONDO, THE MIRAGE, WHICH I'M SORRY FOR
THE GENTLEMAN WHO LOST HIS LUNCH SPOT, BUT THE BUILDINGS ARE
COMPARABLE.
MY BUILDING HAS 71 UNITS.
I HAVE NEVER HEARD A COMPLAINT ABOUT DOGS BARKING OR STREETS
BEING CROWDED.
BECAUSE OF OUR VEHICLES.
THIS BUILDING IS 40% SMALLER.
I THINK YOU HAVE TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND UNDERSTAND THAT
PROGRESS IS COMING, AND WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GUIDE IT.
AND WITH THAT, I WISH YOU ALL A VERY GOOD NIGHT.
THANK YOU.
2:20:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
VINCE COIL, YOU ARE NEXT.
YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
2:20:58AM >> VINCE COYLE.
I APOLOGIZE.

MY PRESENTATION MAY NOT BE AS CRISP HAD I BEEN A HIGHER
DRAFT CHOICE.
MY WIFE AND I WE LIVE AT 2812 WEST BARCELONA STREET WHICH IS
ESSENTIALLY GROUND ZERO FOR BOTH THE ALTURA CONSTRUCTION
PROJECT, WHICH WE'VE LIVED FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS, AND IF
YOU WERE TO APPROVE THE CODEVELOPMENT, THE NEW SYNAGOGUE
PROJECT, WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER THREE YEARS OF LIVING THE
CONSTRUCTION NIGHTMARE.
I WOULD ASK YOU TO JUST KIND OF SAY NO TO THIS, ADDING
ANOTHER SKYWAY SCRAPER THAT IS REALLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE
CHARACTER OF THIS AREA.
MY WIFE AND I MOVED HERE IN JUNE 2018, THERE WAS NO ALTURA.
THERE WAS NO RITZ-CARLTON.
THERE WAS JUST ACROSS THE STREET A NICE QUIET, STABLE
SYNAGOGUE, IDEAL NEIGHBOR.
NOW WE HAVE THIS CODEVELOPMENT NEIGHBOR, WHICH IS
INCONSISTENT, INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE PREMISE THAT WE BOUGHT
BACK IN JUNE 2018.
LOW DEVELOPMENT, LOW DENSITY, TWO STORY, THREE STORY, THAT
WAS IT.
TODAY, IF I WALK OUT MY UNIT, I WALK 20 STEPS TO THE LEFT,
LOOMING UP ABOVE IS ALTURA.
IF THIS PROJECT GOES FORWARD, I WON'T EVEN NEED TO LEAVE THE
TOWN HOUSE AND I'LL SEE ANOTHER MONOLITH GOING UP.
LET ME GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF VISUALS WHILE I'M HERE.

THIS IS THE CONSTRUCTION NIGHTMARE WE'VE BEEN LIVING.
2:22:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
TURN IT THE OTHER WAY.
2:22:35AM >> THIS WAS TAKEN ON MONDAY.
THEY ARE BLOCKING OUR EXIT FROM THE HOUSE 15 MINUTES BEFORE
IT MOVED AWAY.
AGAIN, THIS HAPPENED NOT DAILY, BUT FREQUENTLY ENOUGH THAT
WE'RE UNABLE TO LEAVE OUR UNIT.
THEN IF WE ARE ABLE TO ESCAPE THE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLE, THEN
WE RUN INTO THE CONTROLLED INTERSECTION AS THEY ARE
DIRECTING TRAFFIC AT THE INTERSECTION.
THIS HAS BEEN OUR REALITY FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS.
NOW, I WANT TO CONTRAST THAT WITH THE PICTURE I TOOK THIS
EVENING BEFORE I CAME.
THE QUIETUDE OF THE SYNAGOGUE AS I ONCE KNEW IT.
THAT'S THE SYNAGOGUE.
WHEN I HEAR ABOUT THE TRAFFIC REDUCTION AS A RESULT OF THIS
PROJECT, IT'S SILLY.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
THE SYNAGOGUE DURING THE DAY THERE'S SOME ACTIVITY BUT AT
NIGHT IT'S QUIET.
THE WEEKEND IT IS EERILY QUIET.
ON FRIDAYS --
2:23:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU HAVE 30 MORE SECONDS.
2:23:40AM >> ANYWAY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THE
PLIGHT OF THE CONGREGATION.

AN AGING CONGREGATION, FINDING IT DIFFICULT TO REPLACE ITS
MEMBERS AND THE FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION OF AN INCREASINGLY
SECULARIZING YOUNGER GENERATION.
WE IN THE CATHOLIC COMMUNITY FACE THE SAME THING.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEIR FINANCIAL PLIGHT IS IRRELEVANT
TO THE ISSUE BEFORE YOU.
DOES THIS DEVELOPMENT MEET THE CODE?
OKAY.
THANK YOU.
2:24:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT ON THE LIST I HAVE TONY EVERETT.
BUT I DON'T SEE HER IN THE ROOM.
OH, YOU ARE HERE.
YES, MA'AM, YOU'RE NEXT.
ANYBODY ELSE COMING IN?
78 MORE SPEAKERS?
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
2:24:41AM >> I'M TONY EVERETT.
MY FAMILY HAS BEEN HERE SINCE GRANDPARENTS TO GRANDCHILDREN,
AND WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT TAMPA AND BAYSHORE AND THE
FUTURE OF BAYSHORE.
YOU'VE HEARD ALL THIS ABOUT THE BIG MEGABUILDING THAT COULD
BE BUILT, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE DEVELOPER THAT MAY COME AND GO?
THESE DEVELOPERS RELATED GROUP HAVE BEEN COMMITTED HERE FOR
YEARS.

THEY'VE GIVEN DONATIONS.
THEY HAVE BUILT LOW INCOME, MIDDLE INCOME, AND HIGH INCOME.
THEY HAVE DONATED TO MANY OF THE CHARITIES IN TAMPA
CONSISTENTLY, AND THEY ARE DEPENDABLE AND YOU CAN COUNT ON
THEM TO CARE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IN TAMPA.
BUT I'D LIKE TO ALSO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF THE
GARDEN CLUB.
FIRST OF ALL, WHEN A DEVELOPMENT TAKES AWAY TREES, THEY HAVE
TO REPLANT TREES TO COMPENSATE.
SECONDLY, IF THEY ARE AFRAID ABOUT US LOOKING AT THE
WEDDINGS, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE THE GREENSPACE AND THE
GREEN WALL AND ON THE LOWER FLOORS THEY'LL HAVE TROUBLE
SEEING THE WEDDING.
ON THE HIGHER FLOORS, YOU HAVE TERRACES THAT IF YOU'RE IN
THE UNIT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO SEE THE GROUND UNLESS YOU GO TO
THE EDGE OF THE TERRACE AND YOU CAN LOOK DOWN AND SEE DOTS
AND GREENSPACE.
SO THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE WEDDING VENUE.
SECONDLY, IN ADDITION, THE BENEFIT TO TAMPA WITH THE HIGHER
TAXES, MAYBE WE CAN GET OUR INFRASTRUCTURE POTHOLES DONE IN
THE SOUTH END OF TOWN AND EVERYBODY WOULD BENEFIT BY NOT
HAVING SO MANY REPAIRS TO THEIR CAR, PLUS WE MIGHT GET
ENOUGH MONEY FROM THE TAXES TO BUILD A NEW FIRE STATION NEAR
THERE.
AND ALSO, THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE IMPACT OF NOISE AFTER

THE BUILDING IS BUILT.
I KNOW PLENTY OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE GLAD TO DONATE TO THE
GARDEN CLUB FOR THEM TO HAVE A NEW VENUE ON THE BALL PARK
SIDE WHERE THEY COULD HAVE A MAGICAL WEDDING VENUE AND NOT
HEAR THE ONGOING NOISE FROM THE --
2:27:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:27:52AM >> I HOPE YOU WILL VOTE YES.
2:27:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OUR LAST SPEAKER IS STEPHANIE POYNOR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM WITH SEVEN NAMES, IS THAT
CORRECT?
CARROLL ANN'S MOTION MAKERS ARE BETTER THAN MINE.
2:28:19AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
[INAUDIBLE]
2:28:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SHE'S THERE.
2:28:26AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
CAROLYN FRANCISI.
CAROL ROBERTS.
SUZANNE CORAL.
2:28:34AM >> HERE.
2:28:35AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JEAN PRUDOM.
KIM MORMON, AND CINDY GOADING.
THANK YOU.
THAT IS A TOTAL OF TEN MINUTES.
SEVEN PLUS THREE.
2:28:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
2:28:51AM >> GOOD MORNING, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ACT WITH TEN MINUTES.
FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD SO MUCH SINCE I'VE BEEN
BACK IN HERE THIS EVENING.
FIRST OF ALL, NOBODY LIVES AT THE SYNAGOGUE EITHER.
SOMEBODY POINTED OUT NOBODY LIVES AT THE GARDEN CLUB.
WELL, NOBODY LIVES AT THE SYNAGOGUE.
I WISH THAT THE APPLICANT WORKED AS HARD ON GETTING ROME
YARD AND 47th STREET STARTED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS
THEY HAVE ON THIS PROJECT.
THIS HAS BEEN -- I'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT WAS.
AND IT'S BEEN LIKE AN AIR HOCKEY GAME.
HOW MANY FEET IS IT HIGH?
DO WE WANT TO DO A PD?
DO WE WANT R 83?
DO WE NOT?
DO WE WITHDRAW IT?
DO WE CHANGE THE HEIGHT?
HOW TALL REALLY IS IT?
I'M SO FRICKIN' CONFUSED.
I JUST WANT TO HEAR THE ABSOLUTE CUT AND DRIED TRUTH BECAUSE
THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE HEIGHT OF THE
BUILDING WHEN IT'S BUILT.
AND WE'VE HEARD A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS TONIGHT

WHICH REALLY KIND OF SCARES ME.
THIS HEARING IS NOT ABOUT RELIGION; IT'S ABOUT LAND USE AND
COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
THE FINANCIAL FUTURE OF THE SYNAGOGUE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
THIS.
SORRY.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION.
THIS IS ABOUT LAND USE AND YOU HAVE TO FOCUS ON THAT.
IT HAS NO BEARING ON A LAND USE ISSUE.
I ATTENDED AN INFORMATION MEETING ON THE 24th.
MR. CREMER SAID WE ARE ASKING THAT THEY TAILOR THE ZONING
CATEGORY JUST FOR THIS PROPERTY.
I THOUGHT, WELL, ISN'T THAT CONVENIENT FOR THAT PROPERTY,
NOT FOR THE PROPERTIES AROUND IT.
HE ALSO -- AND THIS WAS ONLY A FEW MINUTES AFTER WHEN WE
ASKED ME WHY I WAS THERE.
WAS I THERE TO REPRESENT THE GARDEN CLUB OR THE
NEIGHBORHOODS.
I SAID, WELL, ISN'T THAT KIND OF THE SAME?
HE SAID WELL, YOU KNOW, ONE PROPERTY SHOULDN'T DICTATE WHAT
HAPPENS TO THE OTHER PROPERTIES AROUND IT.
I'M THINKING ISN'T THAT WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THIS PD OR
THIS REZONING RATHER.
ISN'T THAT'S WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?
THAT IS CHANGING EVERYTHING FOR EVERYBODY.

I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE STOVALL HOUSE, CITY COUNCIL,
GUESS WHAT, THEY ALL GOT FIRED.
MOST OF THEM DID.
WE LOVE YOU, CHARLIE.
YOU'RE STILL HERE.
WE LOVE YOU.
THAT'S WHY WE LOVE YOU.
BUT THEY GOT FIRED.
THAT WAS THE LAST COUNCIL THAT KOWTOWED TO EVERYBODY WHO
CAME IN HERE AND DID WHATEVER THE HELL THE DEVELOPERS
WANTED.
THE OTHER TOWERS THAT WERE APPROVED -- HOLD ON.
I NEED TO SHOW THIS.
MR. CREMER SUBMITTED A 358 PAGE DOCUMENT CALLED EVIDENCE --
I'VE NEVER SEEN ONE LIKE THAT.
358 PAGES.
OH, MY GOD.
THE COMP PLAN ONLY HAS 382.
HE DIDN'T LEAVE ANY OF THE LAND USE CODE OUT.
HE COULDN'T HAVE POSSIBLY BECAUSE OVER AND OVER AGAIN, PAGE
AFTER PAGE, HERE IT IS.
SO THESE ARE FROM MR. CREMER'S DOCUMENT THAT HE SUBMITTED.
358 PAGES.
IT'S FROM THE APPLICANT'S EVIDENCE OF SUPPORT.
NOW, WE'VE GOT THESE BUILDINGS AND 349.

THAT'S THE RITZ-CARLTON.
BUT HERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 317 HERE.
I WOULD LOVE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE SOMEBODY ASK HOW TALL
THIS BUILDING REALLY IS GOING TO BE TO SOMEBODY WHILE THEY
ARE UNDER OATH BECAUSE I NEED TO KNOW BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD A
WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENT NUMBERS TONIGHT.
NOW, THE NEXT TALLEST STRUCTURE BESIDES THAT ONE, BESIDES
THE RITZ-CARLTON, WHICH IS ALSO A RELATED GROUP PROJECT,
MIND YOU, IS 274 FEET TALL.
SO THIS BUILDING IS EITHER GOING TO BE 75 FEET HIGHER OR 43
FEET HIGHER.
I DON'T KNOW WHICH.
THE 75 FEET HIGHER IS HIGHER THAN MEDIUM DENSITY IS SUPPOSED
TO BE TO START WITH.
SO WE'RE NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE SAME BALL PARK.
AND NONE OF THESE ARE R 35.
I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU THAT LIKE MY FRIEND MR. SMITH
SAID, THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO FOR R 83 AND THEY
WITHDREW IT AND SAID, NO, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
JUST LEAVE THAT ON THE TABLE.
WE ALSO HAVE -- AND SO HERE, AGAIN, WE'VE GOT THE REDUCTION
IN THE 29 STORIES.
26.
BUT IT'S STILL A WHOLE BUNCH HIGHER THAN SUPPOSED TO BE.
I DON'T GET IT.

I REALLY WANT TO KNOW HOW HIGH WAS THE OLD ONE, HOW HIGH IS
THE NEW ONE?
THE NEW ONE IS REALLY WHAT'S IMPORTANT.
AND THIS REMOVE THE PICKLEBALL COURT, GUESS WHAT, THEY LEFT
A BLANK SPACE IN THE BUILDING EXACTLY THE SIZE OF THE
PICKLEBALL COURT.
NOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN IT GETS
TURNED OVER TO THE CONDO ASSOCIATION?
I BET YOU 20 BUCKS IT WILL BECOME A PICKLEBALL COURT.
YOU KNOW WHY?
WHO WILL CHASE THEM DOWN.
I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO CHASE THEM
DOWN UNLESS THE GARDEN CLUB IS MAKING COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT.
THIS IS STILL THE APPLICANT'S EVIDENCE IN SUPPORT.
I LOVE THAT THE BUS ROUTES ARE ON THERE.
OH, MY GOSH, ALL 42 OF THE RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO RIDE THE
HART BUSES.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
REALLY?
THIS IS BAFFLE THEM WITH THE BS.
SO MUCH JUNK IN THIS DOCUMENT THAT YOU CANNOT GET THROUGH IT
ALL.
I DIDN'T WANT TO.
BUT WHAT I REALLY LIKED, WE LEFT THIS ONE IN HERE.
ENCOURAGE SMALL AND MEDIUM SCALE DEVELOPMENT, PARTICULARLY

OF UNIQUE DESIGN TO ENHANCE TAMPA'S URBAN CHARACTER.
SMALL AND MEDIUM.
THIS IS EXTRA, EXTRA LARGE.
I WISH MY FRIEND FROM THE FOOTBALL TEAM CAME BACK THIS TIME
WHO WAS HERE LAST TIME BECAUSE HE WAS EXTRA, EXTRA LARGE.
ANYWAY, I ALSO LIKE SPEAKING TO HIM, THERE ARE A LOT LESS
PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT THAN THERE WERE LAST YEAR.
YOU KNOW WHY?
BECAUSE EVERYBODY HERE LAST YEAR DID THIS FOR FREE.
EVERYBODY WHO IS HERE WHO THINKS THIS IS A GOOD IDEA IS
GETTING MONEY IN SOME WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.
I'M SORRY, BUT THE FOLKS WHO ARE HERE FOR FREE, YOU THINK
ABOUT IT.
NOW WE'VE GOT TO GO BACK TO OUR DENSITY.
I LIKE THIS -- I NEVER CAN GET THIS THING FOCUSED.
CAN I GET IT CLOSE ENOUGH?
CARROLL ANN GAVE YOU A COPY OF THIS, TOO, I THINK.
BUT THE INTERESTING PART IS, IT SAYS UP TO 24 STORIES FOR
HIGH DENSITY.
SO THIS JOKER IS TWO STORIES HIGHER THAN HIGH DENSITY THAN
WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE.
CARROLL ANN GAVE YOU A COPY.
IT'S IN HER PACKET.
SORRY, I CAN'T GET IT FOCUSED.
IT'S 2:00 IN THE MORNING.

I'M TIRED.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE I GOT MY ROME YARD LAND USE, LET'S --
OH!
AND MR. COTTON SAID AS THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR THAT YOU
GUYS HAVE TO -- YOU GUYS HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION ABOUT
COMPATIBILITY.
DOES IT GO WITH THE 30-FOOT HIGH GARDEN CLUB?
NO, IT DOESN'T.
IT DOESN'T GO NEXT DOOR.
WHY ARE WE PUTTING IT THERE?
IF THEY WANT TO BUILD, CAN STILL BUILD 35 UNITS TO THE ACRE
ON THAT PROPERTY.
THEY JUST CAN'T BUILD IT 26 STORIES HIGH AND MAKE IT $5
MILLION.
I HAVE NEVER BEEN SO FLABBERGASTED AT A STATEMENT IN MY LIFE
AS I WAS IN THE LAST TEN MINUTES BECAUSE I CANNOT -- $5
MILLION AND I'M JUST GRADUATING FROM COLLEGE.
I WILL NEVER, EVER HAVE THE MONEY FOR A $5 MILLION PROPERTY
AND NOR WILL THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM.
THIS IS NOT HELPING OUR HOUSING CRISIS.
THEY CAN BUILD REASONABLY PRICED CONDOMINIUMS AND STILL MAKE
A PROFIT.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO MAKE $200 MILLION TO DO IT.
AND I WILL REMIND YOU, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF LITTLE THINGS I
NEED TO REMIND YOU OF.

NUMBER ONE, I SAW THIS ARTICLE AND I HAVEN'T READ THE
ARTICLE YET BUT SURE DO LIKE THE TITLE.
FLORIDA DEVELOPERS WANT TO SCARE YOU INTO LETTING THEM HAVE
THEIR WAY.
THINK ABOUT THAT.
I'LL GO TO FLUEDRA.
WILL YOU?
I'M TIRED OF THIS.
THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
HERE IS OUR PENNY.
HERE IS OUR PENNY.
CUT IT INTO A HUNDRED LITTLE TINY PIECES.
YOU GET SEVEN OF THEM FOR FRED BALL PARK, IF THEY GET THEIR
WAY.
THE GARDEN CLUB AND THE ROSE CIRCLE HAVE STOOD HERE TONIGHT.
THEY HAVE SHOWN YOU WHAT THEY'LL DO, REPEATEDLY, THAT THEY
WILL DO WHAT THEY SAY THEY WILL DO AND THEY WILL TAKE CARE
OF THE COMMUNITY AROUND THEM.
THESE GUYS ARE TELLING YOU, WELL, IF WE GET OUR WAY, THEN
WE'LL GIVE YOU THIS MONEY.
YOU KNOW, MS. EVERETT, NEVER MET HER BEFORE.
I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING HOW GENEROUS THEY ARE.
THESE FOLKS ARE SO, SO GENEROUS, WHY HAVEN'T THEY ALREADY
GIVEN THE MONEY TO FRED BALL PARK.
WHY DO THEY NEED A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO DO IT?

BOTTOM LINE IS, THEY NEED A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BECAUSE
THEY ARE HOPING LIKE HELL THAT YOU GUYS WILL BE IMPRESSED
AND GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT.
I HAVE BIGGER FAITH IN YOU.
I KNOW EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU PERSONALLY AND I HAVE
BIGGER FAITH IN YOU.
YOU ARE NOT THE STOVALL HOUSE COUNCIL AND I AM SURE AS HELL
GLAD OF IT.
THANK YOU.
2:38:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
MR. SHELBY, IS IT THE TRADITIONAL FIVE MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL?
2:38:49AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CREMER, YOU'VE READ THE RULES OF
PROCEDURE.
YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH WHAT'S BEEN SAID.
YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REBUT.
PER COUNCIL'S RULES, YOU'RE ALLOWED FIVE MINUTES UNLESS
BECAUSE OF DUE PROCESS THERE'S SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES MORE.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT -- HOW MUCH SHOULD -- HOW MUCH ARE
YOU REQUESTING THE TIME TO BE SET FOR IS MY QUESTION?
2:39:17AM >> MR. CHAIR, I WOULD REQUEST FIVE EXTRA MINUTES FOR TEN
MINUTES IN LIGHT OF THE SEVERAL HOURS OF COMMENT.
2:39:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT'S FINE.
GO AHEAD, SIR.
YOU HAVE TEN MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
2:39:30AM >> COULD WE PULL MY PRESENTATION BACK UP, PLEASE?
2:39:33AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF WE COULD HAVE QUIET, PLEASE.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
2:39:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU WANT YOUR ORIGINAL PRESENTATION
BROUGHT UP?
2:39:58AM >> YES, PLEASE.
2:39:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CTTV, IF WE CAN BRING UP HIS ORIGINAL
INITIAL PRESENTATION.
THERE IT IS.
IT WILL BE UP ON THE BIG SCREEN IN A SECOND.
STATE YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE TEN MINUTES.
2:40:14AM >> JAKE CREMER WITH STEARNS WEAVER MILLER.
I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP A COUPLE OF EXPERTS FIRST.
THANK YOU.
2:40:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IF WE COULD HAVE SILENCE IN THE ROOM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
GO AHEAD, MR. PETERIKA.
2:40:29AM >> PETERIKA.
I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
QUICK HYPOTHETICAL.
WITH THE GRAND TREES THAT HAVE BEEN PRESERVED AND THE
PROTECTED TREES PROPOSED TO REMOVE, THERE'S NO MITIGATION
REQUIRED.

BUT IF THERE WERE, AND WE EXCLUDED THE GRAND TREES, WE HAVE
TO MITIGATE 46, TWO AND A HALF INCH TREES AND REQUIRED TO
PLANT 38, TWO AND A HALF INCH TREES, WHICH TOTALS 210 INCHES
IN TOTAL ONCE IT GOES TO PERMIT.
CURRENTLY, WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLANS SUBMITTED, WITH
20 10-INCH OAKS PROPOSED, THERE'S 222 INCHES PROPOSED BACK
ON THE SITE.
WHICH THE INTENT OF THAT MITIGATION CALCULATION, TWO AND A
HALF INCHES IS TO REPLACE THE CANOPY IN FIVE YEARS.
WE'RE REPLACING MORE THAN THAT USING A CONJURED EXTRA
MITIGATION METHOD THAT I'M JUST USING TO EXPLAIN IT ON HOW
MUCH MORE WE'RE PROVIDING CANOPY BACK THAN WOULD BE
REQUIRED.
2:41:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
2:41:41AM >> GOOD EVENING.
DAVID SMITH, STEARNS WEAVER MILLER.
MAKE IT VERY BRIEF.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF STATEMENTS ABOUT WHAT'S IN THE MATRIX,
HOW TALL AND HOW TALL CAN YOU BE IN VARIOUS CATEGORIES.
I THINK THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS THAT THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE IN
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ARE NOT MAXIMUM HEIGHTS.
THEY ARE TYPICAL HEIGHTS.
KEY CHARACTERISTICS OF THE DISTRICTS.
BECAUSE IF THAT WAS NOT THE CASE, THE ALTURA, CMU 35 WOULD

HAVE ONLY BEEN APPROVED FOR FIVE STORIES.
CLEARLY IT'S NOT.
IF YOU LOOK AT ANY OTHER RM 50 CATEGORY OR ANY OF THE
DEVELOPMENTS THAT OCCURRED THERE, IF THEY WENT IN THOSE
HEIGHT RANGES, THEY WOULD ALL BE MUCH, MUCH SHORTER.
THOSE WERE JUST PLANNING GUIDELINES THAT SAYING, HEY,
TYPICALLY THIS IS WHAT THE HEIGHT WOULD BE AND ALSO WHEN YOU
HAD STANDARD ZONING DISTRICTS, USUALLY THE STANDARD ZONING
DISTRICTS REFLECT THOSE LOWER CAPS.
GETTING BACK TO MR. GAUTHIER'S TESTIMONY, CLEARLY
MR. GAUTHIER HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE BUT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT
OF EXPERIENCE IN TAMPA.
I'VE GONE THROUGH HIS REPORT.
THERE ARE SEVERAL REFERENCES TO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES
THAT ARE NOT ACTUALLY APPLICABLE TO THIS CASE.
THEY DEAL WITH NONRESIDENTIAL BEING PROPOSED IN AN AREA OF
RESIDENTIAL.
SO I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THERE ARE SEVERAL ERRORS IN HIS
REPORT.
ALSO, IF YOU TOOK HIS POINT OF VIEW IS THAT COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN DOESN'T MATTER.
YOU CAN CHANGE IT AS MANY TIMES AS YOU WANT.
BUT IF THERE WAS A SINGLE STORY HOUSE THERE IN 1960 AND
THERE IS A SINGLE STORY HOUSE THERE NOW, YOU CAN'T HAVE
ANYTHING TALLER THAN A SINGLE STORY HOUSE.

WE ALL KNOW THAT THE EVOLUTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING
IN THIS CITY AND ACROSS THE STATE HAS EVOLVED OVER TIME SO
THE NEW GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AND THE DEMANDS ARE REFLECTED
IN THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU DON'T HAVE TO CONSIDER COMPATIBILITY,
BUT I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT CONTEXT, MANY MORE TALL BUILDINGS
ARE LOCATED RIGHT NEXT TO SINGLE-FAMILY, RIGHT NEXT TO
TOWNHOME WITHOUT HAVING A NEGATIVE ADVERSE EFFECT.
LAST COMMENT ON THE GARDEN CLUB AND THE VENUE.
I BELIEVE THERE WAS A MISCHARACTERIZATION OF THE
ORIENTATION.
THE BUILDING WAS ACTUALLY ORIENTED MORE DIRECTLY TOWARDS
BAYSHORE, NOT DIRECTLY AT THE EVENT CENTER.
THE SEPARATION OF -- THERE WAS APPROXIMATELY 208 FEET FROM
THE PODIUM AND AS YOU GET HIGHER UP, GEOMETRY IS NOT REALLY
MY STRONG SUIT, BUT YOU ACTUALLY GET FURTHER AWAY ON THE
SITE DISTANCE BASIS.
SO THAT THIS PRYING, LOOKING, HANGING OVER, LOOKING AT THE
WEDDING VENUE IS NOT A REALITY.
THE REALITY IS THAT THERE'S 200 PLUS FOOT SEPARATION FROM
THE GARDEN AREA, TREES IN BETWEEN, AND THIS BUILDING WILL
NOT BE HANGING OVER THE EVENT CENTER.
WITH THAT I CONCLUDE MY REMARKS BECAUSE IT IS A LATE NIGHT.
I COULD PROBABLY GO ON AND ON AND YOU ALL HAVE HEARD ME DO
THAT BEFORE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:44:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE NEED SILENCE IN THE AUDIENCE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. CREMER, GO AHEAD.
2:45:04AM >> JAKE CREMER AGAIN.
IF WE COULD PULL MY PRESENTATION BACK UP ON YOUR SCREENS,
PLEASE.
2:45:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
2:45:11AM >> THANK YOU.
MY FRIEND MS. POYNOR AND I RARELY AGREE ON THINGS, BUT SHE
DID BRING UP A COUPLE OF GOOD POINTS.
I WANT TO GIVE ASSURANCE THAT THE HEIGHT UNDER THE CODE THAT
WE ARE PROPOSING IS 317 FEET.
ON TOP OF THAT, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST OF COUNCIL,
I'VE SPOKEN TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WE WILL COMMIT TO
THAT BEING A SITE PLAN REQUIREMENT SO THAT WE CANNOT GO
THROUGH THE SUBCHANGE PROCESS AND INCREASE THAT LATER.
ALTURA, BY THE WAY, HAS GONE THROUGH A SUBCHANGE PROCESS TO
INCREASE THEIR RESTAURANT ENTITLEMENTS, SO WE ARE GIVING UP
THE ABILITY TO CHANGE OUR HEIGHT THROUGH AN ADMINISTRATIVE
PROCESS.
I'LL OFFER THAT ON THE RECORD.
THE OTHER POINTS SHE RAISED WAS THE PICKLEBALL COURT.
THE PICKLEBALL COURT IS GONE.
THE PICKLEBALL COURT HAS BEEN GONE FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.

GIVE PEOPLE ASSURANCE, WE HAVE PROPOSED A CONDITION TO STAFF
AND IT SAYS, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHALL THE OUTDOOR
AMENITY DECK INCLUDE A SPORT COURT, INCLUDING PICKLEBALL,
BASKETBALL, VOLLEYBALL, BADMINTON OR TENNIS.
IF YOU THINK OF ANY OTHER, WE WILL PUT THEM IN.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, THE THIRD CONDITION THAT WE'RE
OFFERING TONIGHT -- AGAIN, THIS BASED ON COMMUNITY FEEDBACK
AND WE HEARD SOME TONIGHT, CONCERNS ABOUT THE ELDERLY AND
SAFETY ON YSABELLA.
THE SIDEWALK THAT IS ACROSS YSABELLA FROM OUR SITE THAT WE
ARE PROPOSING TO FILL IN THAT GAP, WE HAVE PROPOSED LANGUAGE
SO THAT THAT -- WE WILL WORK WITH PUBLIC WORKS SO THAT THAT
SIDEWALK SEGMENT IS CONSTRUCTED BEFORE THE CLOSURE OF ANY
RIGHT-OF-WAY ON OUR PROJECT.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE -- WE WILL CONSTRUCT THAT SIDEWALK
ABSOLUTELY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
I'LL PLACE THIS CASE IN THE RECORD.
THERE WERE QUITE A FEW COMMENTS ABOUT SHADE, LIGHT, VIEWS.
THE FONTAINEBLEAU CASE FROM 1959 WE'VE KNOWN FOR A VERY,
VERY LONG TIME.
NO ONE HAS A RIGHT TO VIEW.
NO ONE HAS A RIGHT TO AIR.
NO ONE HAS A RIGHT TO LIGHT IN FLORIDA.
THAT IS WHAT THE CASES SAY, UNLESS THEY BUY IT.
2:47:31AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN.

CAN YOU STOP THE CLOCK, PLEASE?
FORGIVE ME, BUT COUNCIL AND THE CHAIR DID ASK PEOPLE IN THE
AUDIENCE TO BE QUIET.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU FIND THIS DISRUPTIVE, YOU CAN RULE THEM
OUT OF ORDER AND HAVE THEM REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBERS.
I'M GOING TO ASK IF THE CHAIR WOULD PLEASE INSTRUCT THEM
THAT IF THEY DO, THEY MIGHT VERY WELL BE RULED OUT OF ORDER
IF THEY DISRUPT.
2:47:58AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.
IT'S 2:50.
I UNDERSTAND FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE ARE FRUSTRATED AND
SOMETIMES WHEN IT'S REALLY, REALLY LATE YOU LOSE YOUR
FACULTIES A LITTLE BIT.
I'VE PRIVATELY DONE THAT MYSELF UP HERE.
BUT I WOULD JUST ASK THAT EVERYBODY JUST KEEP IT AS QUIET AS
POSSIBLE AND WE'LL GET THROUGH THIS.
WE APPRECIATE YOU.
THANK YOU.
2:48:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. CREMER, YOU MENTIONED THE WHAT CASE
FROM 1959?
2:48:25AM >> THE FONTAINEBLEU.
2:48:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IN MIAMI?
2:48:30AM >> HAPPY TO ENTER THAT IN RECORD.
2:48:35AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SUFFICIENT COPIES FOR THE COUNCIL?
2:48:38AM >> I HAVE A COPY WE CAN PASS.

2:48:39AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU WANT THIS ENTERED INTO THE RECORD?
2:48:43AM >> YES.
IT'S BEEN A WHILE BUT I WANTED TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS
THAT MR. PRESSMAN SAID.
MR. PRESSMAN, I ALMOST FORGOT THAT THE GARDEN CLUB WAS ON
BAYSHORE AND THE EVENT VENUE WAS ON BAYSHORE WHEN HE WAS
SPEAKING.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE WEBSITE, WHAT THEY ARE POINTING TO IS
THEIR VIEWS ON BAYSHORE, OF BAYSHORE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, WHEN YOU
LOOK AT THEIR GARDEN CENTER, THIS IS WHERE THEY HAVE THE
WEDDINGS.
IN THE BACKGROUND IS THE SAME SYNAGOGUE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING
TO YOU WOULD BE THE BUFFER.
AND LET'S BE HONEST, URBAN WEDDINGS ARE NOT UNUSUAL.
IF YOU LOOK AT TAMPA MARRIOTT WATERSIDE, SARASOTA RITZ,
THESE ARE VERY DENSE URBAN ENVIRONMENTS THAT ARE IN A
WEDDING, THEY ARE WEDDINGS IN A HOTEL AND THEY ARE AT THE
BOTTOM OF THE HOTEL.
SO ANYONE CAN VIEW THOSE.
THIS IS NOT UNUSUAL.
PEOPLE BOOK THESE WEDDINGS ALL DAY LONG.
THE SURFACE PARKING LOT NEXT DOOR, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE
ADJACENT TO.
WE'RE ADJACENT TO A DIRT SURFACE PARKING LOT.

ON ONE SIDE.
THIS IS A PRETTY INTENSE USE.
MR. PRESSMAN'S PRESENTATION MENTIONED THAT THEY CAN HAVE UP
TO 1500 PEOPLE AT A TIME.
THIS IS THE ADJACENT USE.
THIS IS AN INTENSE URBAN USE.
AND, BOY, THOSE CARS ARE PARKED AWFULLY CLOSE TO THE TREES.
THIS IS WHAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE.
THIS IS WHAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF OUR PROPOSED
DEVELOPMENT.
THE ALTURA TOWER.
IT'S A VERY CLOSE COMPARABLE.
LOOK, WE REALIZE THAT CHANGE IS HARD.
WE WILL ABSOLUTELY COMMIT IF IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE TO MOVE
THIS FORWARD, WE WILL COMMIT TO SITTING DOWN WITH THE GARDEN
CLUB AND SEEING IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A WAY TO WORK
TOGETHER AND GIVE THEM THE COMMITMENT ON HOW WE CAN HELP
THEM DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS.
IT'S A TWO-WAY STREET BUT WE WILL ABSOLUTELY SIT DOWN WITH
THEM.
FOR THIS APPLICATION, THE LAW IS VERY CLEAR.
A CASE CALLED SNYDER THAT SAYS ONCE WE MEET OUR BURDEN, THE
BURDEN SHIFTS TO THE OPPONENTS TO SHOW THAT USE OF OUR
PROPERTY IS REASONABLE.
THEY HAVE NOT DONE THAT.

YOU CANNOT TELL ME THAT HAVING OUR PROPERTY AS A PARKING LOT
IS REASONABLE WHEN THIS IS NEXT DOOR.
THANK YOU.
2:51:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CREMER.
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, YOU HAVE A QUESTION.
BUT MR. SHELBY.
2:51:38AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I HAVE A QUESTION.
MAY I INQUIRE OF MR. CREMER?
MR. CREMER, EARLY ON AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS HEARING, YOU
PROVIDED FOR THE RECORD AND PASSED OUT TO COUNCIL TWO
CONDITIONS THAT YOU WERE GOING TO PRESENT AND IT APPEARS YOU
REFERENCED THOSE TWO IN YOUR REBUTTAL WILL YOU ALSO ADDED A
THIRD ONE, IS THAT CORRECT?
2:52:02AM >> YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
2:52:03AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
COUNCIL DOES HAVE THE FIRST TWO AND YOU
HAVE AGREED TO ADD THE THIRD ONE WITH REGARD TO THE HEIGHT
OF THE BUILDING.
2:52:09AM >> THE THIRD, I'VE SPOKEN TO MS. WELLS AND WE WOULD HAVE TO
WORK OUT THE LANGUAGE OF THAT TO COME BACK FOR SECOND
READING OF THAT THIRD CONDITION.
2:52:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
2:52:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES, SIR, EARLIER ONE OF YOUR OTHER
PRESENTERS REFERRED TO A LANDSCAPE PLAN.
I'VE BEEN WONDERING ABOUT THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER BETWEEN THIS

PROPOSED PROPERTY AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
ONLY THING I FOUND ON YOUR SITE PLAN WAS THE TREE
ASSESSMENT, NOT NECESSARILY A LANDSCAPE PLAN.
2:52:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
2:52:48AM >> KELSEY.
I AM THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.
LOCATED AT 307 SOUTH 21st AVENUE, HOLLYWOOD, FLORIDA.
I DO BELIEVE THERE WAS A LANDSCAPE PLAN PREPARED AND SHOULD
HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED.
I KNOW NATURAL RESOURCES FOUND IT CONSISTENT.
2:53:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M ACTUALLY ONLINE AND IT'S NOT THERE.
2:53:13AM >> NO PROBLEM.
2:53:15AM >> THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IS NOT A PART OF THE PD.
2:53:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
2:53:21AM >> IT'S NOT A PD REQUIREMENT.
YOU ASKED ABOUT THE PLAN --
2:53:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IMPORTANT ELEMENT IS THE BUFFER BETWEEN
YOUR CONSTRUCTION PROJECT AND ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
AND SOME OF THAT I THINK -- IN FACT, REFERRED TO A COUPLE OF
TIMES IN THE PRESENTATION ABOUT THAT AND SPECIFICALLY YOUR
COPRESENTER A FEW MOMENTS AGO REFERRED TO THE LANDSCAPE
PLAN.
IT'S BEEN HANGING OUT THERE WITHOUT DOCUMENTATION.
2:53:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE'LL BRING IT UP ON THE OVERHEAD HERE.

2:54:03AM >> I CAN SPEAK TO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING AS A BUFFER IN
BETWEEN OUR PROPERTIES AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
2:54:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT'S COMING UP.
THERE WE GO.
2:54:17AM >> DURING THE LAST HEARING WE DID BRING IN AND CHANGE OUR
PLAN IN RESPONSE TO A LOT OF THE COMMENTS WE HEARD HERE.
AND ESPECIALLY IN REGARDS TO THE GARDEN CLUB AND BUFFERING
OUR PROPERTY FROM THEIRS.
SO WE HAVE PROPOSED TO KEEP THE CURRENT TREE BUFFER THAT
THEY HAVE IN PLACE AS WELL AS PROVIDE SHRUBS AND OTHER
GROUND COVER AT A HIGH LEVEL AND ADDITIONALLY SOME VERY
LARGE LIVE OAKS THAT WOULD PROVIDE THE VISUAL BUFFER IN
BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY AND THEIRS IN ADDITION TO THE GREEN
WALL WE ARE PROPOSING ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE PARKING
STRUCTURE.
2:54:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN?
2:55:00AM >> KELSEY TRUHECKY.
2:55:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?
2:55:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T KNOW IF IT DOES OR NOT.
I SEE A LOT OF CIRCLES AND A DOT BUT NOT A LOT OF
EXPLANATION OR A LOT OF CLARITY OF WHAT THAT IS ACTUALLY
GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND HOW IT ACTUALLY PROVIDES.
AND I SEE ONE OF THE CITY STAFF --
2:55:28AM >> ERIN MAEHR, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.

THESE LARGER CIRCLES HERE ARE -- THEY ARE PROPOSING TWENTY
10-INCH CALIPER LIVE OAKS.
A NORMAL REPLACEMENT TREE IS TWO AND A HALF INCHES IN
CALIPER.
SO THESE ARE FIVE TIMES AS LARGE AS THAT.
IN ADDITION, YOU CAN SEE HERE ALONG THE VUA BUFFER, ALONG
YSABELLA AND THEN ALONG THE BUFFER BETWEEN THE GARDEN CLUB
AND THE NEW BUILDING AND THE PROJECT IS PROVIDING 20-FOOT
SETBACKS FOR THESE TREES, WHICH CAN ACCOMMODATE THEM AND
THEY HAVE SPACED OUT THESE TYPE ONE LIVE OAKS WELL SO THEY
CAN ACTUALLY FORM, YOU KNOW, AMPLE CANOPY.
2:56:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THERE A LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR THE EXISTING
PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, THAT'S GOING TO REMAIN, THE
EXISTING BUILDING?
2:56:23AM >> DID THEY PUT LANDSCAPING ON THE OLD PORTION?
2:56:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOING IN THAT AREA?
2:56:28AM >> YES, THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL NEW TREES ON THE EXISTING
PORTION AS WELL.
2:56:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT ABOUT THE BUFFER BETWEEN THE GARDEN
CLUB, WEDDING VENUE AND THE TEMPLE TO KIND OF SMOOTH OUT
THAT TRANSITION BETWEEN THE EXISTING BUILDING AND THE NEW
BUILDING?
2:56:46AM >> NOTHING NEW IS PROPOSED ALONG HERE EXCEPT FOR THE
EXISTING TREES THAT EXIST.
2:56:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU NO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANYBODY ELSE?
YES, SIR, MR. CREMER.
2:57:00AM >> MAY WE BRING MY PRESENTATION BACK UP?
I THINK THERE IS A SLIDE THAT MAY HELP ADDRESS ONE OF
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN'S QUESTIONS.
2:57:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHICH SLIDE?
2:57:12AM >> THE SLIDE ON THE GREEN WALL, JUST SO YOU CAN SEE SOME OF
THE TREE CANOPY.
I WANTED TO SHOW THE EXISTING TREE CANOPY THERE THAT WILL BE
PRESERVED.
2:57:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THAT AN ACTUAL PHOTO OF WHAT EXISTS
THERE NOW OR IS THAT SUPPLEMENTED?
2:57:35AM >> IT IS SUPPLEMENTED ONLY WITH THE PROPOSED TOWER OVERLAID
ONTO THE EXISTING GRAPHIC.
2:57:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BUT THE TREE CANOPY IS EXISTING?
2:57:45AM >> YES, SIR, THE TREE CANOPY IS EXISTING.
I ALSO JUST SPOKE TO STAFF, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN IS NOT
NORMALLY ATTACHED TO THE PD SET PLAN, BUT WE WOULD BE
WILLING TO ATTACH THE PLAN WE JUST SHOWED TO YOU THE PD.
2:58:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY ELSE?
WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
DO YOU WISH TO CLOSE THE HEARING?
2:58:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOTION TO CLOSE.
2:58:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WAIT, MS. DOCK.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.

2:58:14AM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, THERE ARE FOUR ITEMS TO BE AMENDED ON
THE REVISION SHEET.
IS WHAT I COUNT SO FAR.
SO THAT'S THE WORKING WITH PUBLIC WORKS ON THE CONSTRUCTION
OF THE SIDEWALK.
THAT IS THE OUTDOOR AMENITY BEING LIMITED TO CERTAIN
ACTIVITIES AND NOT HAVING THE OUTDOOR AMENITY DECK, INCLUDE
A PICKLEBALL COURT, ET CETERA.
AND THEN THE THIRD ITEM IS TO LIMIT THE HEIGHT TO 317 FEET.
THE FOURTH ITEM IS TO ATTACH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IN THE PD
SITE PLAN PACKAGE.
AND THAT WOULD BE ON THE REVISED REVISION SHEET.
THIS IS IN ADDITION TO THE REVISION SHEET PROVIDED IN THE
REPORT.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
2:59:02AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN INQUIRE
MR. CREMER AS TO THE FOURTH ITEM TO ATTACH THE LANDSCAPE
PLAN TO THE SITE PLAN, DID YOU AGREE TO THAT?
2:59:10AM >> YES, I DID.
2:59:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
VERY GOOD.
WE HAVE FOUR ITEMS THAT WOULD BE ADDED. MOTION TO CLOSE
FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?

AYE.
THE HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
2:59:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO MAKE COMMENTS.
I THINK I'M GOING TO START BY SAYING NO ONE IS OWED A PD.
NO ONE IS OWED A PD.
NO ONE IS OWED A PD.
AND THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THIS IS R 35 FOR THE ENTIRE
BLOCK, WHICH IS 8 STORIES AND I'M NOT SURE WHY A BUILDING
CAN'T BE BUILT IN 8 STORIES TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT THEY WANT TO
ACCOMPLISH.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE 5,000-SQUARE-FOOT APARTMENTS.
IT'S POSSIBLE TO DO.
PEOPLE SAID THAT IT'S UNUSUAL.
IT IS AN UNUSUAL PIECE.
THIS PART OF BAYSHORE IS UNUSUAL.
IT HAS AND AS TESTIMONY SHOWED VERY SPECIFIC USES THAT YOU
DON'T SEE ALONG THE REST OF BAYSHORE.
AND I BELIEVE IT IS INCONSISTENT.
I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS AND THIS IS A DIFFERENT
COUNCIL THAN THE STOVALL HOUSE COUNCIL, THAN THE OTHER
WHATEVER TOWER THINGS.
WE HAVE TO REALLY THINK AS OUR FUTURE LAND USE WHAT WE WANT
THIS AREA TO LOOK LIKE.
WE CAN DEFINE THAT AND WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY WHAT

THEY WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE.
I THINK THEY CAN BUILD SOMETHING WITHIN THE EIGHT STORIES.
THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A RIGHT
TO A PD.
3:01:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
3:01:28AM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST COMMENTS.
I VOTED AGAINST THE RITZ-CARLTON FOR A LOT OF REASONS.
ONE OF THEM IS THAT THE BUILDING WAS 23 FEET FROM THE
BUILDING NEXT TO IT.
EVERY TIME I DRIVE BY, I AM 100% HAPPY WITH THAT DECISION
EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THE MEDIA SAID WHY WAS COUNCIL SO STUPID
TO -- WHY WERE SO COUNCIL MEMBERS SO STUPID TO VOTE AGAINST
THAT.
PROBABLY WE'LL GET SIMILAR TOMORROW.
WHAT WE'VE GOT TO DO IS STICK TO WHAT THE RULES ARE.
THE RULES ARE THERE TO PROTECT PROPERTY OWNERS.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PROPERTY OWNERS AROUND HERE WHO HAVE
EXPECTATION OF STABILITY AND PREDICTABILITY IN LAND USE.
SO WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN AND WANTS TO CHANGE THE RULES,
THEN WE LOOK AT IT AND WE HAVE TO WEIGH THE COMPETENT
SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
THERE'S STACKS AND STACKS OF COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE
IN OPPOSITION TO THIS.
AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN ENTITLEMENT TO THIS HUGE

MASSING AND SCALE AND DENSITY, HEIGHT.
AS MY COLLEAGUE SAID, A SMALLER PROJECT -- THE PROPOSER MADE
A COMMENT, ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE AWAY OUR RIGHT TO DO
ANYTHING AND JUST MAKE US HAVE A PARKING LOT?
NO.
BUT AS THE PUBLIC SHOWED, IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE SAME
BUILDING.
IT'S ONLY SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.
AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU FROM YEARS OF BEING INVOLVED IN
PROJECTS LIKE THIS IN THE PAST, THIS IS THE -- AND SINCE
I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, I NEVER HAD FIVE HOURS OF PUBLIC
FEEDBACK.
THIS IS THE WORST RELATIONSHIP I'VE EVER SEEN BETWEEN A
DEVELOPER AND THE PUBLIC.
WHATEVER HAPPENS TONIGHT, I HOPE THAT EVERYBODY GOES BACK
BECAUSE THIS IS A HUGE AMOUNT OF INVESTMENT AND TIME THAT'S
UNNECESSARY IF THE PUBLIC AND THE DEVELOPERS HAVE A POSITIVE
RELATIONSHIP.
ALSO, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE JEWISH COMMUNITY OVER THE
YEARS.
I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN RODEPH.
MY SON MORE THAN 20 YEARS AGO WENT TO JCC.
NONE OF THE STUFF ABOUT RELIGION OR THE USE OF THE SYNAGOGUE
IS COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AND IN MY OPINION WE CAN'T
CONSIDER ANY OF THAT.

IF ANYBODY SAYS, WELL, YOU VOTED FOR OR AGAINST THIS BECAUSE
YOU'RE IN FAVOR, AGAINST THE JEWISH COMMUNITY, NONE OF THAT
IS EVIDENCE.
JUST LIKE IT WOULDN'T BE ANYWHERE ELSE.
WE HAVE TO SET THAT ASIDE AND JUST LOOK AT THE RULES AND THE
LAND USE.
AND I THINK BASED ON THE HEIGHT AND SCALE AND EVERYTHING, I
THINK THERE'S PLENTY OF COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT
WE CAN GO THROUGH.
WHATEVER HAPPENS, I KNOW THE DEVELOPER HAS A GREAT
REPUTATION AND I HOPE THAT THIS RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE
COMMUNITY AND THE DEVELOPER IMPROVES IN THE FUTURE SO WE CAN
APPROVE GREAT INVESTMENTS IN THE FUTURE.
3:04:36AM >>LUIS VIERA:
LET ME GIVE SOME THOUGHTS.
I APPRECIATE.
ALWAYS, BY THE WAY, DANGEROUS TO TALK AT 3:05 A.M. AS AN
ELECTED OFFICIAL.
PARDON ME FOR ANY MISTAKES.
I KNOW EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL AGREES, I REALLY APPRECIATE
EVERYBODY BEING HERE AT 3 A.M.
I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN THAT AT CITY COUNCIL IN MY SIX,
SEVEN YEARS, HOWEVER LONG I'VE BEEN ON.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THIS CASE IS ABOUT
AND IS NOT ABOUT BECAUSE WHEN WE VOTE ON SOMETHING I THINK
THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT SHOULD BE LEFT OFF THE TABLE.

ONE OF THEM IS RELATED GROUP, WHETHER THERE'S PEOPLE WHO GO
WE LOVE THEM, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT GO WE DON'T LOVE THEM.
THAT TO ME HAS NO RELEVANCY.
IT'S NOT COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THIS CASE.
THE USE OF THE LAND AND LIKE COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID, THE
ISSUE OF FAITH AND RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION HAS NO BEARING ON
THIS CASE.
THERE WERE MENTIONS A COUPLE ON RELIGIOUS BIAS.
OBVIOUSLY A VERY BIG ISSUE TODAY, ANTI-SEMITISM, I'VE BEEN
VERY OUTSPOKEN ON THAT ISSUE, BUT IT'S NOT RELEVANT IN THE
ANALYSIS HERE, IN MY OPINION.
THREATS TO MOVE.
I DON'T WANT TO SAY THREATS.
AGAIN, 3 A.M.
STATEMENTS THAT POTENTIALLY THE SYNAGOGUE MAY MOVE IF THIS
DOESN'T GO FORWARD.
NOT RELEVANT TO THIS CASE.
TAXES, THE CITY OF TAMPA COLLECTING MORE TAXES IF THIS
PASSES.
TO ME, NOT RELEVANT.
YOU GOT TO HAVE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
I ALWAYS SAY IF YOU HAVE A STOOL YOU HAVE TO HAVE LEGS TO
SUPPORT A STOOL.
WHETHER YOU VOTE FOR SOMETHING OR AGAINST SOMETHING.
I ALWAYS SAY IN MAKING VOTES ON LAND USE DECISIONS, I'M AN

ATTORNEY, PRACTICED LAW FOR, GOSH, OVER 20 YEARS.
SOMETIMES I DON'T FEEL LIKE A 20-YEAR LAWYER, BUT I GUESS I
AM ACCORDING TO THE FLORIDA BAR.
AND I VOTED NO THE FIRST TIME THIS CAME THROUGH, AND I WAS
VERY OUTSPOKEN ON THAT BECAUSE THERE WERE TOO MANY WAIVERS.
IT WAS A SIZE 40 WAIST IN SIZE 34 PANTS.
I WAS VERY OUTSPOKEN.
THAT WAS A CHECK THAT I FELT I COULD WRITE TO THE COMMUNITY
THAT WOULDN'T BOUNCE IN THE FUTURE.
WHAT I MEAN BY BOUNCE, I MEAN ACCOUNTABILITY FROM OUR
JUDICIAL SYSTEM, THE COURTS, BECAUSE THIS OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T
END AT CITY COUNCIL.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF EMOTION HERE IN THE ROOM.
WHEN YOU GET A PROJECT LIKE THIS AND ESPECIALLY IN THE CROWN
JEWEL OF TAMPA, BAYSHORE, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF
RESISTANCE.
THE RESISTANCE WAS RIGHT THE FIRST HEARING, AND IT'S
JUSTIFIED, IT'S REASONABLE, I GUESS, IF YOU WILL, IT'S --
WHAT IS THE WORD -- UNDERSTANDABLE IS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.
ALL THE WAIVERS ARE GONE.
WE HAVE A POSITIVE STAFF REPORT.
THE MAIN ISSUE -- AND A FINDING OF CONSISTENCY.
THE MAIN ISSUE FOR ME IS, IF THE DESIGN BY VIRTUE OF ITS
MASSING OF THE BUILDING, IS IT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S ON

BAYSHORE?
WE HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION REPORT THAT SEEMS TO SAY THAT
THERE IS NO REAL POINT OF DISTINCTION.
THAT'S THE MAIN ISSUE FOR ME, WHICH IS IF THERE WERE GOING
TO BE A DENIAL IT WOULD BE ON THAT SOLE ISSUE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR ON THIS.
YOU CAN PROBABLY TELL IN MY REMARKS WHERE I'M LEANING ON
THIS BUT I WANTED TO GIVE MY THOUGHTS AT 3:10 A.M.
THANK YOU.
3:08:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:08:12AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
I ALSO VOTED SIX MEMBERS HERE AGAINST THE PROJECT THE FIRST
TIME.
IT CAME BACK BEFORE THE YEAR.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE, WHAT IS IT?
IS IT GOING FROM 329 FEET TO 317 FEET?
IS THAT SUBSTANTIAL?
DEPENDS HOW YOU COUNT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING,
275,000.
28 THE FIRST TIME.
SECOND TIME, 275,000.
28.
IS THERE A DIFFERENCE?
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HIGHEST POINT OF THE BUILDING, BETWEEN

THE FIRST AND THE SECOND SEVEN FEET IS THAT SUBSTANTIAL?
BEFORE I GO ANY FURTHER, THERE'S OVER A HUNDRED IT MUST,
INDIVIDUALS THAT TESTIFIED TODAY, AND JUST THAT ALONE TELLS
YOU THAT THE PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
THEY CAME OUT TODAY TO EXPRESS THEIR FEELINGS ON HOW THEY
FELT ON THIS ONE PROJECT.
THESE THINGS ARE DIFFICULT.
THEY ARE NOT EASY FOR THE PETITIONER, NOT EASY FOR THE
NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOT EASY FOR THE ELECTED OFFICIALS BUT WE
ARE THE ONES MAKING THE DECISION.
AND IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT ONE.
THEY ARE NOT EASY.
ANY ZONING IS NOT EASY.
I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, WHICHEVER WAY IT GOES TODAY, 50%
OF YOU BE HAPPY.
THE OTHER 50% OF YOU WILL NOT BE SO HAPPY.
BUT IF THE SAME HUNDRED PEOPLE COME BACK TOMORROW, THOSE ON
THE HAPPY SIDE WILL MORE LIKELY LEAVE SAD.
THE ONES SAD MORE THAN LIKELY LEAVE HAPPY.
NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE AS ELECTED, ZONING IS SOMETHING THAT
CHANGES NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT THE PEOPLE SAY, BUT WHAT'S ON
PAPER AND WHAT IS REALITY.
AND THOSE ARE THE THINGS I THINK THAT COUNCILMAN VIERA WAS
ALLUDING TO.
IN MY OPINION, THERE'S A MINIMUM CHANGE BETWEEN THE FIRST

AND THE SECOND.
NOT A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE.
IF I DO THE NUMBERS OF WHAT IS 12 FEET MATHEMATIC BETWEEN
329 AND 317, YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED IT'S ONLY, AS YOU WELL
KNOW, 3% OR SO.
IS THAT SUBSTANTIAL?
THE SIZE OF A BUILDING THIS HIGH IN TODAY'S STANDARDS, THE
SIZE OF A FOOTBALL FIELD PLUS ANOTHER 49 FEET.
THE SIZE BEFORE, THE SIZE OF A FOOTBALL FIELD PLUS 56 FEET.
THE NAKED EYE CAN'T EVEN TELL THE DIFFERENCE.
THE SIZE OF A FIELD, IF YOU LOOK AT A BASEBALL DIAMOND, 356
AND 349 ALLEYS IN RIGHT CENTER AND LEFT CENTER, NOT DOWN --
WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I SEE VERY LITTLE TO NO DIFFERENCE FOR
CHANGE BECAUSE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS THE SAME.
SO YOU'RE TELLING US THAT IN A FIELD OF 356 FEET, 275,028
SQUARE FEET FITS INTO IT.
BUT IN THE FIELD OF 349 FEET, WHICH IS SEVEN FEET SHORTER,
THE SAME 275,028 FEET FIT IN IT.
SO IS THERE ANY SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE IN THAT?
THAT'S WHAT TELLS ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 356 AND THE
349.
IT IS THE SAME BUILDING.
BASED ON SIMPLE MATH.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
3:12:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.

YES, MA'AM.
3:12:38AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I FEEL WEIRD SAYING GOOD MORNING.
I HAVE IN MY HEAD JUST GONE BACK AND FORTH ON BOTH SIDES OF
THIS ISSUE.
IT REALLY BREAKS MY HEART TO EVEN HAVE TO BE IN A POSITION
TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S REALLY TOUGH.
I SEE BOTH SIDES OF IT WHEN IT COMES TO THERE BEING SOME
RELEVANCY IN THE PROJECT.
YOU'VE WORKED HARD TO GET RID OF THE WAIVERS AND IT'S A
BEAUTIFUL BUILDING AND STRUCTURE.
I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
IT JUST HAPPENS TO SIT IN A SPOT ON BAYSHORE THAT HAS ALL OF
THESE FOLKS IN HERE FIGHTING FOR IT NOT TO BE A PROJECT THAT
WE APPROVE.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THERE IS EVIDENCE ON THE SIDE WHERE IT
COULD BE BUILT.
AND SOUTH TAMPA JUST DOESN'T LIKE IT.
EVEN IF IT WAS HALF THE SIZE I KNOW THAT YOU ALL WOULD FILL
THIS ROOM.
YOU WOULD.
BECAUSE YOU ARE CONSISTENT THAT WAY.
SINCE THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN SITTING UP HERE, YOU FIGHT TO
NOT HAVE SOUTH TAMPA BE FULL.
SOUTH TAMPA DOESN'T NEED ANYTHING ELSE.
IT JUST IS A DIFFICULT DECISION FOR ME BECAUSE I LIKE THE

PROJECT AND I WANT TO SUPPORT IT, BUT THERE'S ALSO AN ASPECT
WHERE I UNDERSTAND WHY THE COMMUNITY IS FIGHTING AND IT'S
THE LITTLE THINGS REGARDING THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS AND
CARING ABOUT THE NEIGHBORS AND THOSE KIND OF CONCERNS THAT
ARE WEIGHING ON ME AS WELL.
WHATEVER MY DECISION IS TODAY, I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW
THAT I UNDERSTAND BOTH SIDES OF IT AND I WISH WE COULD DO --
I WISH WE COULD MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY TONIGHT.
I KNOW THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE CASE.
3:14:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. SHELBY.
3:14:52AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
COUNCIL, AND THIS IS JUST IN GENERAL, TO
BRING YOU BACK TO WHERE YOU NEED TO BE AS A BOARD, AND I SAY
THIS BECAUSE IT'S 3:15 IN THE MORNING AND IT'S A VERY
DIFFICULT HEARING.
IN MY EXPERIENCE THIS IS PROBABLY THE LONGEST, MOST
DIFFICULT HEARING THAT I'VE EXPERIENCED SINCE I'VE BEEN
SITTING IN THIS SEAT.
YET IT'S A VERY IMPACTFUL DECISION.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU NEED TO TAKE A BREAK AND TAKE A
DRINK -- WHAT I'M SUGGESTING TO YOU, THEN WHAT I NEED YOU TO
DO IS CONCENTRATE ON YOUR TASK AT HAND.
IT'S NOT A BALANCING OF ISSUES.
FIRST OF ALL, IT IS NECESSARY AND YOU HEARD COUNCILMAN VIERA
TALK ABOUT WHAT ARE RELEVANT ISSUES IN THIS CASE.
I WOULD HARKEN YOU BACK TO WHAT HE SAID, BUT AS IMPORTANT,

YOU HAVE HEARD TESTIMONY, COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IS
NOT BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.
IT IS NOT CLEAR AND CONVINCING EVIDENCE.
THE COURT HAS SAID THAT IT IS SUBSTANTIAL.
YOUR DETERMINATION, OF COURSE, IT WOULD BE REVIEWED BY A
COURT, BUT BASED ON EVIDENCE THAT'S BEEN DEDUCED AT A
HEARING UPON WHICH YOU CAN MAKE YOUR DECISION.
IT'S NOT WEIGHING THINGS.
IT'S FINDING WHETHER THE CRITERIA IN THE CODE HAVE BEEN MET,
AND THEN WHAT YOU DO IS YOU LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE EITHER IN
SUPPORT OR IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROVISIONS OF THE CODE AND
YOU COME TO A DECISION AND YOU COME TO A CONSENSUS AND YOU
PUT THAT IN THE FORM OF A MOTION.
THAT IS YOUR TASK AT HAND.
IF YOU HAVE FINDINGS OF FACT THAT YOU WANT TO SPECIFY
DRAWING UPON WHICH YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION, I SUGGEST YOU PUT
THAT INTO YOUR MOTION, PUT THAT INTO THE RECORD.
IT'S NOT ONE PERSON'S MOTION ULTIMATELY.
WHEN A MOTION IS MADE, IF COUNCIL WANTS TO ADD TO IT, ANY
COUNCIL MEMBER CAN DO SO.
THAT'S WHERE I ASK THAT YOU FOCUS YOUR ATTENTION.
3:16:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
HAVING SAID THAT, BEFORE I GO TO COUNCIL MEMBERS AGAIN, I'M
LOOKING AT THIS IMAGE HERE AND I SEE A SEPARATION OF THE
TOWERS TO THE RIGHT HERE, SEPARATED BY A ROAD, CORRECT?

I SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE WHERE THE PROPOSED TOWER IS AT IN
TERMS OF MASSING AND SCALE BUT ALSO HOW THIS IS UNIQUE TO
OTHER PARTS OF BAYSHORE.
WHEN I SAY UNIQUE, YOU HAVE THE PARK NEXT DOOR, YOU HAVE THE
GARDEN CLUB STRUCTURE.
YOU HAVE LOWER-LEVEL -- THEY ARE LIMITED TO JUST A FEW
STORIES.
I SEE -- IT WAS MENTIONED MANY TIMES R 35 UP TO 8 STORIES
MEDIUM DENSITY.
THIS IS NOT MEDIUM DENSITY.
I THINK, AGAIN, AS BAYSHORE HAS CHANGED, DIFFERENT PARTS OF
BAYSHORE ARE DIFFERENT, MEANING YOU HAVE LIKE SOUTH OF BAY
TO BAY YOU HAVE MORE OF THE DENSITY, MORE OF THE HIGH-RISES
FACING BAYSHORE.
ON THIS SIDE YOU HAVE WHAT'S LEFT OF THE GREENSPACE, THE
PARK I MENTIONED AND WHATNOT.
IN REGARDS TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, THE PARCEL IN
GENERAL AND THE SIZE AND MASS OF THE STRUCTURE, I DON'T
KNOW.
AGAIN, THE SEPARATION FROM THE TOWERS JUST TO THE RIGHT OF
THIS IMAGE.
IT'S DIFFERENT.
IT'S SEPARATED BY A STREET.
I DON'T KNOW.
WHO IS NEXT?

CLENDENIN AND THEN VIERA AND THEN HURTAK.
3:18:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SINCE I'VE GONE ON COUNCIL EVERYBODY KEEPS
TELLING ME EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE TYPE OF COUNCIL
MEETINGS IT'S NEVER BEEN LIKE THIS BEFORE.
SO OBVIOUSLY I AM THE PROBLEM.
3:18:49AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND THE MOTION.
3:18:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M THE PROBLEM, IT'S ME.
I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH STAFF ON THE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE.
ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK YOU MISSED COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, THE
FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING SHRUNK SUBSTANTIALLY.
ACTUALLY WHAT WAS TOUCHING THE DIRT SHRUNK.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DID THAT.
THEY GOT ANOTHER LEVEL OF PARKING.
ALSO, THE PROFILE OF THE BUILDING WAS SHIFTED DRAMATICALLY
SOUTH.
SO THE SPACE BETWEEN THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY AND THE TOWER, I
THINK IT MORE THAN DOUBLED, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY.
AND THEN THE 20-FOOT BUFFER BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES, I THINK
HOW THEY HAVE DISPLAYED THIS AS WELL CLEARLY SHOWS THAT THIS
CONSTRUCTION PROJECT IS REALLY CONTAINED TO THE UNDEVELOPED
PORTION OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE NORTH.
SO THE EXISTING TEMPLE IS STATUS QUO ON THE BAYSHORE FACING
SIDES OF BOTH OF THESE PROPERTIES.
IT'S COMPLETE STATUS QUO.
IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE -- AND WE HAD SOME TESTIMONY FROM

THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE ALTURA PROPERTY.
YOU LOOK AT THE LACK OF STEP-DOWN IT REALLY GOES VERTICAL
RIGHT OFF THE PROPERTY LINE, AND THERE'S NO BUFFER AT ALL.
I MEAN, IT'S VERY DRAMATIC WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ALTURA
PROPERTY.
I DIDN'T APPROVE IT.
YOU ALL DID.
THAT'S REALLY KIND OF DRAMATIC.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THE OTHER
DAY -- YOU ALL KNOW I LIVE HERE.
I WAS DRIVING DOWN SOUTH ON BAYSHORE AND I WAS LOOKING AT
THESE PROPERTIES AND I WAS TRYING TO KIND OF SEE WHAT THEY
DID.
I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED WITH A FEW OF THEM.
HOW THEY HAD MAYBE CASITAS AT THE BOTTOM TO STEP DOWN OR
USED ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL TO BUFFER OR LIKE SOME OF THEM DID
THE WEDDING CAKE SO IT KIND OF GAVE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT
DISNEY EFFECT WHERE YOU HAD OPTICAL ILLUSION, THE BUILDING
DISAPPEARED.
ONLY ONE WHICH I THINK WE HAD SOMEBODY FROM THAT BUILDING
HERE WENT ALMOST STRAIGHT VERTICAL AND ONE OF THE NEWER
BUILDINGS.
ONLY ONE I SAW.
MAY HAVE BEEN OTHERS, BUT ONE AND OBVIOUSLY ALTURA.
THAT BEING SAID, SOMETHING THAT MY FELLOW COUNCIL PERSON

SAID EARLIER AND WHEN THEY FIRST SPOKE -- AND I'VE SAID THIS
MANY TIMES, WHEN YOU BUY IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU BUY
BASED ON SOME SEMBLANCE OF PREDICTABILITY ON ZONING AND USE.
AND THAT WEIGHS HEAVY ON MY SOUL BECAUSE IF I WAS LIVING ON
BARCELONA OR LIVING ON YSABELLA AND I KNEW THAT THE PROPERTY
ACROSS FROM ME WAS ZONED A SPECIFIC ZONING, THAT THAT'S MY
PREDICTABILITY.
I BOUGHT THERE KNOWING THE PROPERTY WOULD BE DEVELOPED AT
THIS DENSITY.
AND THAT'S A TOUGH HURDLE FOR ME TO OVERCOME.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I CAN'T TAKE THIS AND I'LL BE HONEST
WITH YOU, OTHER THAN THAT, I DIDN'T SEE A LOT OF COMPETENT
AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
I HEARD A LOT OF WISHES AND DESIRES AND I UNDERSTAND THE
ANGST AND THE ANGER OR THE FRUSTRATION FROM A LOT OF THE
FOLKS THAT TALKED TONIGHT BUT IT DIDN'T REALLY RISE TO THE
LEVEL OF COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT I THINK WE
NEED FOR THIS TO BE UPHELD.
BUT THIS PARTICULAR ELEMENT IT POSSIBLY DOES.
I WILL SAY, THOUGH, AND THIS IS NOT SOMETHING I'M
CONSIDERING IN MY THING, BUT SOMEHOW I DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL
BALL.
I SUSPECT THE FOLKS, ESPECIALLY LIKE THE GARDEN CLUB AND
OTHER FOLKS, SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE YOU ALL ARE GOING TO
LOOK BACK AND SAY, DANG, I WISH WE BOUGHT OFF ON THIS DEAL

BECAUSE I'M SO FEARFUL WHAT'S GOING TO END UP HAPPENING AND
THIS IS A BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY, IF YOU TAKE THE ENTIRE LOW
PROFILE BUILDING OF THE SYNAGOGUE AND YOU DEVELOP THAT, I
JUST DON'T SEE IT RETAINING ITS EXISTING USE IF THE FULL
PIECE OF PROPERTY WAS AVAILABLE.
I'M AFRAID IT'S GOING TO GO VERTICAL A LOT CLOSER TO
BAYSHORE THAN WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW AND THE IMPACT WILL BE
MUCH MORE DRAMATIC.
IN THE ESSENCE OF BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR, YOU MIGHT GET
IT.
BUT I AM EMPATHETIC WITH THE FOLKS.
ONE LAST POINT TO MAKE, THE HEIGHT, I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY
THAT CAN SIT ON YSABELLA OR BARCELONA AND DETERMINE HOW HIGH
SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS ARE.
I CAN'T AND I LIVE IN THE PROXIMITY OF THIS AS WELL.
HEIGHT DOESN'T BOTHER ME.
I DON'T THINK THE HEIGHT HAS AN IMPACT ON ANYBODY.
ONCE YOU GET TO A CERTAIN HEIGHT, IT'S JUST HIGH.
YOU DON'T NOTICE THE HEIGHT.
IT'S JUST HIGH.
BUT I DO THINK THE PREDICTABILITY OF THE ZONING IS SOMETHING
WEIGHING HEAVY ON ME.
3:24:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA AND COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK.
3:24:16AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I WANTED TO BUILD ON, I WAS GOING TO MENTION THIS AS WELL,
SOMETHING COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN SAID, ABOUT THE CHANGE, THERE
WERE VERY SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES BETWEEN WHAT I VOTED AGAINST
AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT BECAUSE, AGAIN, HOW SHALL I SAY
THIS?
I HAVE NO PRECONCEIVED DOG IN THIS FIGHT, SO TO SPEAK,
RIGHT?
I'LL EXPLAIN WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
I THINK ORIGINALLY THERE WERE 57 UNITS BEFORE IT WAS HEARD
BEFORE COUNCIL, WENT TO 50.
NOW WE'RE AT 42.
REMOVE SEVERAL FLOORS.
THINGS I WROTE DOWN.
NUMBER OF WAIVERS, TREES, LANDSCAPE BUFFER, FENCE,
ET CETERA.
REAL, REAL, REAL SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE BETWEEN WHAT I VOTED
AGAINST AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW.
AGAIN, MY BIG ISSUE THAT I'M LOOKING AT HERE IS THAT MASSING
OF THE BUILDING AND ANY COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE
THAT'S BEEN PRODUCED THAT SHOWS THAT THERE IS A REAL
DISTINCTION ON WHAT IS THERE.
IT'S OBVIOUSLY A TOUGH VOTE ON THESE TYPE OF THINGS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I ALWAYS LOOK AT IS AGAIN THAT
JUDICIAL ACCOUNTABILITY BECAUSE IF WE SAY NO TO THIS, AGAIN,

I FEEL LIKE IN THE FIRST ROUND WE WROTE A CHECK THAT WOULD
HAVE BOUNCED.
THERE ALWAYS IS JUDICIAL ACCOUNTABILITY IN THESE TYPE OF
THINGS AND YOU HAVE TO LOOK FOR COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL
EVIDENCE, THAT LEG ON THE STOOL, THAT IS A BIG ISSUE FOR ME
ON A CASE LIKE THIS.
JUST TO GIVE MY THOUGHTS.
AGAIN, THANK YOU.
3:25:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
WAIT, MIRANDA, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK TOO?
3:25:55AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THERE'S NO MOTION ON THE FLOOR, CORRECT.
3:25:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WAS GOING TO MAKE ONE.
3:26:01AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
GO ON THEN.
3:26:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I'M GOING TO MOVE TO DENY REZ 24-06 FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED
AT 2713 BAYSHORE BOULEVARD DUE TO THE FAILURE OF THE
APPLICANT TO MEET ITS BURDEN OF PROOF TO PROVIDE COMPETENT
AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AS CONDITIONED
AND SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN IS CONSISTENT WITH THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND CITY CODE.
I'M GOING TO FOCUS FIRST ON THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT CRITERIA,
SECTION 27-136 AND SUBSECTION NUMBER 1.
I FIND THAT DOES NOT PROMOTE THE EFFICIENT AND SUSTAINABLE
USE OF LAND AND INFRASTRUCTURE WITH CAREFUL CONSIDERATION OF
POTENTIAL ADVERSE IMPACTS TO ON-SITE NATURAL ELEMENTS

SURROUNDING IMPACTED NEIGHBORHOOD AND CULTURAL RESOURCES.
AND THIS TO ME IS THE BIG ONE.
CULTURAL RESOURCES ON THIS BLOCK, ON THIS AREA THAT'S FUTURE
LAND USE OF R 35 CLEARLY SHOWS THIS IS A CULTURAL RESOURCE
AREA OF BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
SUBSECTION NUMBER 5, I FIND IT WILL NOT MAXIMIZE THE
PRESERVATION OF NATURAL RESOURCES.
SUBSECTION NUMBER 6, IT DOES NOT PROMOTE AND ENCOURAGE
DEVELOPMENT WHERE APPROPRIATE IN LOCATION, CHARACTER, AND
COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING IMPACTED NEIGHBORHOODS,
BUILT ENVIRONMENT AND EXISTING GEOGRAPHY.
PLEASE STOP TALKING!
THANK YOU.
ALSO IT DOES NOT, LU POLICY 1.2.6, IT DOES NOT ENCOURAGE
SMALL -- LU POLICY 1.2.6 ENCOURAGES SMALL AND MEDIUM SCALE
DEVELOPMENT PARTICULARLY OF UNIQUE DESIGN TO ENHANCE TAMPA'S
URBAN CHARACTER.
THIS IS A UNIQUE PART OF BAYSHORE.
LU POLICY 1.2.20, DESIGN NEW STRUCTURES TO CREATE
TRANSITIONS IN FORM BETWEEN ADJACENT OR NEARBY BUILDINGS OR
OPEN SPACE, AND THIS IS NOT A TRANSITION.
IT IS PLOPPING DOWN -- IT'S NOT A GENTLE TRANSITION.
LU POLICY 8.14.1 DEVELOPMENT SHALL NOT EXCEED THE DENSITIES
AND INTENSITIES AS DEFINED BY THE LAND USE PLAN CATEGORIES,
AND THAT'S THE BIG ONE FOR ME.

THIS IS A FUTURE LAND USE OF R 35.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO BUILD EIGHT STORY STRUCTURE WITH AS MUCH
AS YOU CAN FIT IN IT.
YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT.
BUT YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO A PD.
AND THIS COUNCIL OR AT LEAST MY MOTION IS THAT IT IS NOT --
IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PARTICULAR CULTURAL AREA OF
BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
3:29:03AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'LL SECOND AND ADD, MR. CHAIR, IN THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE VISION MAP INDICATES WHERE CITIZENS
AND PLANNERS BELIEVE ADDITIONAL GROWTH AND HIGHER DENSITY
SHOULD OCCUR AND WHERE NEIGHBORHOODS SHOULD REMAIN UNCHANGED
AND STABLE.
THERE ARE SIX LEVELS OF INTENSITY TO INDICATE WHERE
DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE FOCUSED.
SOUTH TAMPA AND NEW TAMPA ARE LEVEL ONE, MEANING NO
SIGNIFICANT CHANGE ESTABLISHED AREA.
SOME OF THE TESTIMONY THAT WAS PRESENTED WAS THAT WE NEED
AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WE NEED MORE HOUSING, BUT THIS IS
VERY EXPENSIVE HOUSING AND IT'S NOT IN THE AREA WHERE THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WANTS US TO GROW.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WANTS US TO GROW IN THE USF AREA.
IF THIS WAS PRESENTED IN THE USF AREA, THERE PROBABLY --
THERE WOULDN'T BE THIS KIND OF OBJECTION, AT LEAST IN THE
LAND USE PLAN.

AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TALKS ABOUT SOUTH TAMPA
CHARACTERISTICS LIKE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITIES THAT WOULD BE
COMPROMISED BY INCREASED URBANIZATION SO THAT SPECIFICALLY
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TALKS ABOUT THE DOWN SIDE OF
URBANIZATION BECAUSE OF THE SENSITIVE ECONOMIC -- SORRY,
ENVIRONMENTAL NATURE OF SOUTH TAMPA, LIMITED ACCESS TO
TRANSPORTATION FACILITIES WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.
LIMITED OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE MORE COMMUNITY FACILITIES.
AND THEN POLICY 1.1.8 TALKS ABOUT DIVERSE HOUSING.
AGAIN, THIS IS HIGH END HOUSING WHICH THERE IS A LOT OF IN
THE AREA ALREADY, SO IT'S NOT CREATING ANY MORE DIVERSITY.
IT SAYS SOUTH TAMPA DISTRICTS WHILE IT SHOULD MAINTAIN THE
CHARACTER OF ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, WE SEE
THAT IN THE IMMEDIATE DISTRICT ONE OF THE FOLKS TALKED ABOUT
ADJACENT NEARBY USES.
IF YOU LOOK AT A BROAD CONTEXT, YES, THERE'S HIGHER DENSITY
ALL THE WAY TO DOWNTOWN, BUT IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA, CULTURAL
AREA, ENVIRONMENTAL AREA, AN AREA WITH LOWER DENSITY AND THE
NET OF IT IS A LOT SMALLER THAN SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS,
PLUS THERE'S SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD ADJACENT
TO IT.
LAND USE POLICY 1.2.28 SAYS LIMIT THE USE OF PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ZONING PETITIONS TO ALLOW DEVELOPMENT
CONSISTENT WITH FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION, BUT OTHERWISE
NOT PERMITTED IN CURRENT, LAND USE OBJECTIVE 2.1, REGULATE

THE LEVELS OF BUILDING INTENSITY.
THIS IS PROVIDING MASSIVE INTENSITY, AND I THINK IF THIS
COMES BACK AS AN EIGHT STORY BUILDING OR SMALLER ONE THAT
FITS THE CURRENT MEDIUM DENSITY OR R 35, IT WOULD BE
PROBABLY NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO TURN IT DOWN.
BUT AGAIN, IN TERMS OF PREDICTABILITY OF ZONING AND
PREDICTABILITY OF LAND USE, THIS IS CHANGING THE RULES WHERE
PEOPLE WHO INVESTED IN PROPERTY, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL
AROUND IT HAD AN EXPECTATION THAT IT WOULD NOT BE LIKE THIS.
LAND USE POLICY 2.1.1 TALKED ABOUT COMPATIBLE, NEEDS TO BE
COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING CHARACTER, WHICH IT IS NOT.
LAND USE POLICY 9.2.2, THE IMPACTS OF DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS
ON THE EXISTING PHYSICAL AND SOCIAL FRAMEWORK AND CHARACTER
OF THE AFFECTED AREA SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED.
WE JUST TALKED ABOUT HOW THIS PARTICULAR AREA OF BAYSHORE IS
REALLY DIFFERENT THAN THE REST OF BAYSHORE LAND USE.
OBJECTIVE 9.3 TALKS ABOUT HOW DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE
COMPATIBLE.
LAND USE POLICY 9.3.8 TALKS ABOUT HOW NEW RESIDENTIAL
DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS SHALL BE MINIMALLY DISRUPTIVE TO
ADJACENT AREAS.
WE HEARD LOTS OF TESTIMONY ABOUT HOW THIS WOULD BE
DISRUPTIVE AND SOME OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WERE APPROVED
BEFORE MY TIME HAVE BEEN DISRUPTED.
THEN THE BAYSHORE BOULEVARD LAND USE OBJECTIVE 20.4 THAT

SAYS CONTINUE TO RECOGNIZE BAYSHORE BOULEVARD AS REGIONAL
ATTRACTOR, MAJOR COMMUNITY ASSET, CONTINUE TO PRESERVE AND
ENHANCE THE BALANCE OF THE NATURAL AND PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENTS
ALONG BAYSHORE BOULEVARD IN A MANNER WHICH WILL CONTINUE TO
PROVIDE THE CITY'S RESIDENTS, REGIONAL NEIGHBORS AND
NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL VISITORS WITH A UNIQUE AND
ENVIRONMENTAL EXPERIENCE IN THE CORE OF THE URBAN AREA.
A LOT OF THE TESTIMONY SHOWED THIS WOULD DO THE OPPOSITE.
WE -- TESTIMONY TALKED ABOUT THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA
AND THE CM OBJECTIVE 1.1 SAYS DIRECT FUTURE POPULATION
CONCENTRATIONS AWAY FROM THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
PRETTY MUCH ALL THE PENINSULA OF SOUTH TAMPA IS IN THE
COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
THE IMPACT OF THAT IS THAT PEOPLE CANNOT EASILY GET OUT OF
THERE DURING HURRICANES AND OTHER KINDS OF STORMS.
SO THIS OBJECTIVE 1.1 SAYS NO NET INCREASE IN OVERALL
RESIDENTIAL DENSITY WITHIN THE CHHA.
CM OBJECTIVE 1.7 TALKS ABOUT LACK OF TRANSPORTATION AND
EVACUATION PLANNING.
CM POLICY 1.7.2 SAYS THAT WE NEED TO ENSURE PRIORITY IS
PLACED ON MAINTAINING THE CAPACITY OF HIGHWAYS THAT ARE
DESIGNATED AS REGIONAL EVACUATION ROUTES.
THESE ROUTES ARE OVER CAPACITY AND WE WOULD HEREBY BE ADDING
A LOT MORE DENSITY.
THERE WAS A LOT MORE THAT WAS PRESENTED ON THE RECORD, THAT

JUST ADDS MORE TO THE MOTION.
3:34:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL ACCEPT YOUR AMENDMENT.
3:34:50AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
[ LAUGHTER ]
3:34:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CAN YOU RESTATE IT?
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON WITH THE
ACCEPTED AMENDMENTS BY THE MAKER OF THE MOTION.
LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE.
3:35:08AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
3:35:10AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
3:35:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
3:35:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
3:35:15AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
NO.
3:35:21AM >>LUIS VIERA:
NO.
3:35:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
3:35:26AM >>THE CLERK:
THE MOTION TO DENY CARRIED WITH HENDERSON,
VIERA VOTING NO.
3:35:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. SHELBY, THERE WAS AN ITEM NUMBER 9.
3:35:38AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, THERE WAS AN ITEM NUMBER 9.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
WE'RE NOT DONE.
3:35:52AM >> REBECCA JOHNS, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
3:35:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

YES, MA'AM.
3:35:57AM >> REBECCA JOHNS, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
ITEM NUMBER 9 CAN BE WITHDRAWN BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE HEARD
BECAUSE THE REZONING WAS DENIED.
3:36:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO WITHDRAW ITEM 9.
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
3:36:12AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST A CAUTION TO CITY
COUNCIL THAT THERE IS A 30-DAY APPEAL PERIOD AND TO REMAIN
MINDFUL OF NOT BEING ABLE TO DISCUSS THIS IN THE PRESS AND
WITH THE PUBLIC DURING THAT PERIOD AND SOMETIME THEREAFTER
UNTIL WE UNDERSTAND WHERE THIS CASE IS HEADED.
3:36:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. SHELBY.
WE'LL GO TO NEW BUSINESS.
I HAVE A FEW ITEMS.
I'LL HAND THE GAVEL.
3:36:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AS YOU EXIT THE ROOM, PLEASE BE QUIET.
WE ARE STILL CONDUCTING BUSINESS.
WHEN YOU GET OUTSIDE, BE QUIET UNTIL YOU GET DOWN TO THE
NEXT FLOOR, PLEASE.
3:36:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MY FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS FOR NEW
BUSINESS --
3:36:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WAIT.

YOU HAVE NOT BEEN RECOGNIZED.
I RECOGNIZE CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO.
3:37:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I BROUGHT THIS UP THE OTHER DAY REGARDING A COMMENDATION
THAT WAS TOP SECRET BECAUSE IT WAS A SURPRISE FOR A COUPLE.
THE MOTION IS TO GIVE A COMMENDATION RETROACTIVELY TO FRANK
AND CAROL MORSANI.
IT WAS GIVEN TO THEM FEBRUARY 5th AT AN EVENT.
3:37:22AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SECOND.
3:37:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THAT IT?
3:37:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE.
3:37:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S 3:37 IN THE MORNING.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AYE.
OPPOSED, AYES HAVE IT.
3:37:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND AND LAST ITEM IS A MOTION FOR A
COMMENDATION TO TAMPA PRIDE TO BE GIVEN AT A FUTURE DATE.
I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DATE YET.
3:37:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?

AYES HAVE IT.
YOU MAY NOW HAVE YOUR GAVEL BACK.
3:38:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
3:38:05AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES, SIR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION
TO PRESENT A COMMENDATION TO RICHARD FORMICA, JUNIOR.
HE RECENTLY RETIRED FROM THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER INTERLOCAL
PLANNING BOARD AS A CITIZEN REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
HIS MANY YEARS OF SERVICE REFLECT HIS DEDICATION TO THE
PROTECTION OF THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER AND THE CITIZENS IT
SERVES.
I WILL SPEAK TO MR. FORMICA AND WILL REPORT BACK TO THE DATE
THAT IT WILL BE PRESENTED.
I APPRECIATE MS. HURTAK'S HELP ON THIS.
3:38:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
3:38:37AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SHOUT-OUT TO THE PASSING OF A GOOD
FRIEND, FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER AND COUNTY COMMISSIONER AND
THE GODFATHER OF THE TREE ORDINANCE WHO WORKED ON IT VERY
DILIGENTLY BACK IN THE '70s.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT OVER 50 YEARS OLD AND STILL STANDING
STRONG.

I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT JOE CHILLURA HAD DONE FOR THE
GOVERNMENT AND FOR THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY AND HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY.
3:38:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ABSOLUTELY.
BEFORE I GO TO COUNCILMAN VIERA, I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE LISA
EDWARDS FOR ALL HER HARD WORK.
[ APPLAUSE ]
YOU DID A FANTASTIC JOB, SO THANK YOU AS ALWAYS.
3:39:19AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
AND OUR CLERKS AS WELL.
[ APPLAUSE ]
3:39:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW ABOUT ME FOR NOT FALLING ASLEEP?
3:39:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AND BOB WHITMORE FOR ALWAYS BEING A
GREAT SPEAKER.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:39:39AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
I HAD A COUPLE.
I'LL DO TWO QUICK ONES THAT ARE TIME LIMITED.
FIREFIGHTER OF THE QUARTER COMMENDATION.
I WANT TO PUT THAT IF I MAY ON MARCH 7 CALENDAR.
3:39:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA, SECOND BY
MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
3:39:53AM >>LUIS VIERA:
CHERYL SCHROEDER WITH WEST CENTRAL LABOR, WE
WERE GOING TO HAVE HER BEING HONORED ON MARCH 28.

I MAY HAVE A CONFLICT THAT DAY THAT'S GOING TO TAKE UP A
LITTLE BIT POTENTIALLY.
SO I WANTED TO MOVE THAT AND WE SCHEDULED THIS WITH SHERYL
ON APRIL 18.
3:40:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM -- APRIL 18.
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
YES, MA'AM.
3:40:20AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
NOTHING.
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
3:40:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
YES, SIR.
3:40:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE THREE.
FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
MOTION ONE, A REQUEST BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, SETTING A
TRANSMITTAL HEARING FOR TA/CPA 23-18 ON MAY 23rd, 2024 AT
5:01 P.M. AND DIRECT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE THE
CITY CLERK WITH THE FORM OF NOTICE FOR ADVERTISING THE
PUBLIC HEARING.
3:40:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?

AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
3:40:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
REQUEST BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION SETTING
ADOPTION HEARINGS FOR TA/CPA 24-01, TA/CPA 24-02 AND TA/CPA
24-03 ON MAY 23rd, 2024 AT 5:01 P.M. AND DIRECT THE LEGAL
DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE THE CITY CLERK WITH THE FORM OF NOTICE
FOR ADVERTISING THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
3:41:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
3:41:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LAST, A REQUEST BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION
SETTING AN ADOPTION HEARING FOR TA/CPA 23-18 ON AUGUST 29,
2024, AT 5:01 P.M. AND DIRECT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO
PROVIDE THE CITY CLERK WITH THE FORM OF NOTICE FOR
ADVERTISING OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
3:41:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
ANYTHING ELSE?
3:41:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S IT.

3:41:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
3:41:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE -- OH.
3:41:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CARLSON HAS A LOT.
3:41:45AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST HAVE ONE.
THIS IS A MORE SERIOUS ONE, BUT THE CHARTER TALKS ABOUT --
SORRY.
THE CHARTER TALKS ABOUT RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT FOR CERTAIN
LEVELS OF ADMINISTRATION.
AND THERE IS A LOT OF CONFUSION IN THE PUBLIC.
FRANKLY, I HAVE SOME CONFUSION EVEN THOUGH I WAS ON THE
CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION ABOUT HOW IT'S TRANSLATED.
WHEN THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE CHARTER, IT'S TRANSLATED TO
EITHER EXECUTIVE ORDER OR ORDINANCES.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK THE CITY COUNCIL
ATTORNEY TO DO RESEARCH ON THE ORDINANCES, ORDERS, AND RULES
THAT CODIFY THE ADMINISTRATOR RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT IN THE
CHARTER AND TO REPORT TO COUNCIL ON MARCH 28 AND LEAD A
DISCUSSION ABOUT MAKING MODIFICATIONS, IF NEEDED.
3:42:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
CARLSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?

ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
3:42:42AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT'S IT.
3:42:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE?
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
WE ARE ADJOURNED.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]

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