📝 City Council Meeting Transcript

TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 15, 2024, 9:00 A.M.

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9:02:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO
ORDER.
AT THIS TIME, I YIELD TO COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON FOR THE
INVOCATION.
9:02:24AM >>BILL CARLSON:
GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
I HAVE BILL MITCHELL SENIOR HERE.
HE'LL STAND UP HERE IN A SECOND.
BILL PRACTICES IN THE FIRST PARTY PROPERTY DIVISION OF THE
TAMPA OFFICE OF CONROY SIMBERG PA PRACTICING PRIMARILY IN
THE AREAS OF FIRST AND THIRD PARTY PROPERTY LOSS DISPUTES
AND PROPERTY COVERAGE MATTERS.
BILL IS ALSO A MEMBER OF CONROY SIMBERG'S DIVERSITY AND
INCLUSION COMMITTEE.
PRIOR TO JOINING CONROY SIMBERG, MR. MITCHELL WORKED FOR THE
STATEWIDE DEFENSE FIRM GROELLE & SALMON.
ALSO, HE PREVIOUSLY SPENT 15 YEARS WORKING FOR THE UNITED
STATES AIR FORCE -- THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE -- IN

AEROSPACE MAINTENANCE.
DURING THIS TIME, HE DEPLOYED OVER 700 DAYS IN SUPPORT OF
THE ONGOING GLOBAL WAR ON TERRORISM.
SINCE MOVING TO TAMPA IN 2007, MR. MITCHELL HAS BECOME AN
ENGAGED COMMUNITY LEADER AND ADVOCATE FOR A NUMBER OF
CAUSES, INCLUDING CANCER RESEARCH AND TREATMENT, MILITARY
VETERANS AND MEMBERS OF THE RESERVE COMPONENT OF THE ARMED
FORCES.
IF EVERYONE WILL STAND, WE'LL DO THE INVOCATION AND THE
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
THANK YOU.
9:03:28AM >> THANK YOU, MR. CARLSON.
IF YOU WILL ALL JOIN ME IN A WORD OF PRAYER TO START US OFF.
LORD GOD, WE HUMBLY COME TO ASK FOR YOUR BLESSINGS ON THE
CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
FIRST, WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE FOR US
AND FOR YOUR ABUNDANT BLESSINGS THAT WE ARE SURROUNDED BY
EVERY SINGLE DAY.
THANK YOU FOR THIS TIME PART OF YOUR BEAUTIFUL WORLD THAT WE
CALL TAMPA.
THANK YOU FOR OUR COMMUNITY LEADERS.
THANK YOU FOR OUR FELLOW CITIZENS, OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, OUR
CITY EMPLOYEES AND THOSE WHO PLAY A PART IN APPROVING THIS
AMAZING -- IMPROVING THIS AMAZING PART OF THE WORLD THAT WE
ARE SO HAPPY TO CALL HOME.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITIES AND FOR FREEDOMS.
THANK YOU FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS.
BRAVERY CONTINUES TO INSPIRE US.
THANK YOU FOR OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO ARE OUR VOICE IN OUR
GOVERNMENT.
THANK YOU FOR THE NATURAL BEAUTY THAT WE ENJOY EVERY DAY.
LORD, THERE IS SO MUCH SUFFERING IN THIS WORLD AND WE OFTEN
STRUGGLE TO UNDERSTAND IT.
PLEASE HELP US AND TRUST -- HELP US TO TRUST YOU AND HELP US
TO LESSEN SOME PART OF THAT SUFFERING TO THOSE AROUND US OR
IN OUR WORLD TODAY.
HELP US TO IMPROVE THE LIVES OF THOSE AROUND US AND TO BE
EXAMPLES OF YOUR ABUNDANT AND AMAZING LOVE.
YOU ARE THE BEST FRIEND THAT WE COULD EVER ASK FOR, THAT WE
COULD EVER HAVE.
HELP US TO BE GOOD FRIENDS TO THOSE AROUND US.
NOW, LORD, WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD BLESS THIS MEETING AND THE
WORK OF THIS CITY COUNCIL.
GUIDE THE THOUGHTS, WORDS, AND ACTIONS OF THOSE PRESENT
HERE.
HELP THIS MEETING TO BE EFFECTIVE, PRODUCTIVE, HELPFUL AND
POSSIBLY ON AGENDA.
WE ASK ALL THESE THINGS IN YOUR HOLY NAME.
THANK YOU AND AMEN.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

9:05:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
9:05:37AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
9:05:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
9:05:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
9:05:41AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PRESENT.
9:05:43AM >> VIERA?
MIRANDA?
9:05:44AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
9:05:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
9:05:46AM >>THE CLERK:
YOU HAVE A QUORUM.
9:05:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
BEFORE WE GO INTO -- I'M SORRY.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY
1st, 2024 AND FEBRUARY 8, 2024?
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
BEFORE WE GO INTO HOUSEKEEPING, I'D LIKE TO WISH MAJOR ERIC
DiFELICE WITH DISTRICT 3 A VERY, VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
HE'S NOT HERE, BUT IF HE IS WATCHING, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THE
GENTLEMAN.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS TO GO OVER.
MEMO RECEIVED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN THAT HE WILL
NEED TO LEAVE AT NOON FOR AN EVENT.

MORE THAN LIKELY I WILL BE BREAKING FOR LUNCH AT OR AROUND
12:00.
MEMO RECEIVED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA THAT HE WILL BE
LATE, ABOUT 45 MINUTES OR SO DUE TO A FUNERAL THIS MORNING
THAT HE IS ATTENDING.
I HAVE A MEMO RECEIVED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON
REQUESTING THAT ITEM NUMBER 1 BE CONTINUED TO MAY 2.
IS THAT CORRECT, SIR?
9:06:46AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
SO MOVED.
9:06:49AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
WE'VE CONTINUED IT SEVERAL TIMES.
9:06:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WAIT, MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
CARLSON, SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:06:57AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ARE THEY HERE?
CAN THEY TALK ABOUT IT?
IT'S JUST CEREMONIAL.
9:07:02AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAVE THE SAME CONCERN BETWEEN THE CRA AND
THE CITY COUNCIL, BACK IN SEPTEMBER, WE ASKED THEM TO
PRESENT IN NOVEMBER AND THEY AGREED.
THEY WEREN'T READY, SO WE SWITCHED TO DECEMBER, AND THEY
WEREN'T READY SO WE SWITCHED TO JANUARY AND THEY ARE NOT
READY.
NOW THEY ARE NOT READY IN FEBRUARY.
WE CLEARED THE HURDLES FOR THEM TO FIX THE JACKSON HOUSE,

AND NO PLAN HAS BEEN PRESENTED YET ON WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO
DO.
9:07:26AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I JUST WANT THE PUBLIC TO HEAR THAT.
9:07:29AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD ASK THEM TO COME WITH A PLAN AT THIS
DATE THAT WE'VE SET.
AGAIN, WE'VE CONTINUED IT FOUR OR FIVE TIMES.
IF THEY DON'T HAVE A PLAN, THEY ARE PARTNERING WITH THE
HISTORY CENTER AND USF, THEY REALLY SHOULD TURN THE PROJECT
OVER TO ONE OF THOSE TWO ENTITIES SO WE CAN GET THIS DONE.
I DROVE BY YESTERDAY AND IT'S FALLING APART WORSE THAN EVER.
IT'S NOT GOING TO LAST A FEW MORE MONTHS.
9:07:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR, THIS IS TO CONTINUE.
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
ALL RIGHT.
I HAVE A MEMO RECEIVED FROM THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT
REQUESTING TO REMOVE ITEM 16 FROM THE AGENDA.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION?
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ITEM NUMBER 43 FIRST AFTER PUBLIC
COMMENT.
TAKE A LOOK AT IT REAL QUICK.
THAT IS REGARDING MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY.
THAT IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
YOU CAN SPEAK TO IT THEN OR YOU CAN SPEAK TO IT DURING
PUBLIC COMMENT.
EITHER WAY, IT'S COMING UP RIGHT AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
ALL RIGHT.
I'LL GO THROUGH STAFF REPORTS AT THIS TIME.
THERE IS NO ADMINISTRATION UPDATE.
I HAVE A MEMO RECEIVED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA REQUESTING
THAT ITEM NUMBER 60 BE CONTINUED TO THE APRIL 18 MEETING.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT?
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
WE HAVE A REQUEST TO MOVE ITEM NUMBER 65 TO BE HEARD FIRST
UNDER STAFF REPORTS. WE WILL DO THAT.
I HAVE A MEMO FROM OCEA WYNN REQUESTING THAT ITEM 66 BE
CONTINUED TO MARCH 28.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT?
9:09:17AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION?
9:09:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.

9:09:21AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ITEM 66.
9:09:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
9:09:24AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WHAT IF I WANT TO KEEP IT ON THE AGENDA?
WHAT DO YOU DO?
9:09:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I DON'T THINK SHE'S READY TO PRESENT ON
IT.
9:09:34AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WELL, THE CHIEF OF STAFF IS HERE.
HE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
THIS IS KIND OF OLD.
9:09:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IS THAT ALL RIGHT, CHIEF BENNETT?
9:09:44AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
GOOD MORNING, PUBLIC.
JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
I'M ALWAYS WILLING TO TALK IN SUPPORT OF MOVING CITY
BUSINESS FORWARD.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE ADDITIONAL STAKEHOLDERS.
OCEA WYNN IS THE LEAD.
LEGAL IS INVOLVED AS WELL AS THE BUDGET OFFICE.
I CAN TRY AND AGGREGATE ALL THE CONVERSATIONS AND HAVE A
CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE WE ARE AT OR SIMPLY TELL YOU NOW,
EITHER WAY.
9:10:05AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OKAY.
BECAUSE IT WAS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA A FEW MONTHS AGO.
9:10:08AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
IT WAS.
AND IT MOVED.

AND IT WASN'T FINALIZED BY OUR PARTNER AGENCY, AND SO I
ASKED WHY, AND THEN I FOUND OUT, DECONSTRUCTED IT, WORKED
WITH LEGAL, GAVE IT TO THE PORTFOLIO TO UPDATE AND THEY ARE
WORKING ON THAT NOW.
9:10:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON HAD HIS HAND UP.
9:10:28AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I FEEL THE SAME WAY THAT WE SHOULDN'T KEEP
KICKING IT DOWN THE ROAD.
HOWEVER, MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S GOING ON IS THERE ARE
BEHIND-THE-SCENES NEGOTIATIONS GOING ON.
THIS COULD POTENTIALLY END UP IN LITIGATION.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE Ts ARE CROSSED BEFORE IT
COMES UP.
I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THE CONTINUANCE JUST FOR THAT.
9:10:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE FROM
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
IS THAT CORRECT?
9:10:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
9:10:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE SECOND WAS FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
LET ME GO THROUGH THE STAFF REPORTS.
9:10:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ITEM NUMBER 49 WANTS TO BE WITHDRAWN AND 50
WANTS TO BE CONTINUED.
9:11:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.

WE HAVE BEEN REQUESTED -- WE HAVE A REQUEST TO HOLD THIS
UNTIL 10:30.
ABOUT WITHDRAWING IT AND CONTINUING IT.
49 AND 50, BUT WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL 10:30 WHEN THE PUBLIC
HEARING IS OPENED.
I'LL GO THROUGH STAFF REPORTS.
WE HAVE NO ADMINISTRATION UPDATE.
ITEM 65 FIRST UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
ITEM NUMBER 52, YES, I WOULD LIKE SOMEBODY HERE.
ALL RIGHT.
THAT IS A YES.
ITEM NUMBER 53, THIS IS PART TWO -- SORRY, THIS IS PART ONE
OF TWO, WITH 54.
DO WE NEED SOMEBODY HERE?
NO.
ITEM NUMBER 54 IS PART OF 53.
NO.
ALL RIGHT.
ITEM 55 YES.
9:11:53AM >> YES.
9:11:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ITEM 56.
9:11:57AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
9:11:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
THAT IS A YES.

ITEM NUMBER 57.
WE HAVE A WRITTEN REPORT.
THIS IS COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA'S MOTION.
I'M GOING TO -- LET'S JUST HOLD -- PUT A YES ON IT UNLESS
COUNCILMAN VIERA SAYS DIFFERENTLY WHEN HE GETS HERE.
ANOTHER ONE IS A WRITTEN REPORT FOR 58, BUT I'M GOING TO
HOLD OFF ON CONTINUING IT.
I'LL DO A YES BECAUSE IT'S COUNCILMAN VIERA AS WELL.
ITEM NUMBER 59, YES, I'M GOING TO SAY, BECAUSE COUNCILMAN
VIERA AS WELL.
60 WE DISCUSSED.
61.
9:12:31AM >> YES.
9:12:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
YES.
WE RECEIVED A LOT OF -- ITEM 62?
THIS IS YOUR MOTION.
9:12:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH.
I'M ACTUALLY FINE WITH THE WRITTEN REPORT.
IT WAS VERY CLEAR.
ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS JUST SAY WE WANT IT TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I NEED STAFF FOR THAT.
9:12:53AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
9:12:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, WE WILL HOLD FOR A MOTION.
9:12:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE OR JUST --

9:12:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OR TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO NEXT.
THE REPORT WAS VERY CLEAR, BUT WE STILL NEED TO MAKE A
DECISION ON WHICH DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO.
9:13:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'LL PUT A YES WITH 62.
9:13:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE DON'T NEED STAFF.
WE JUST NEED TO MAKE A DECISION.
9:13:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
ALL RIGHT.
ITEM NUMBER 63.
9:13:14AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THE MEMO WAS SUFFICIENT, BUT THERE IS A
RESOLUTION THAT CAME WITH THE MEMO THAT'S UNDER DRAFT.
9:13:22AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THERE IS AN ORDINANCE THAT IS PROVIDED FOR
COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION.
IF COUNCIL WISHES TO CHOOSE AFTER TAKING THIS ITEM UP TO GO
FORWARD, THAT WOULD BE A MOTION TO PUT IT ON FOR FUTURE
AGENDA.
9:13:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE'LL SAY YES AND HOLD IT.
AT THAT TIME WE'LL BRING UP THE MOTION.
ITEM NUMBER 64.
THERE IS A PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED MEMORANDUM.
THE ORIGINAL MOTION IS BY COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
WOULD YOU LIKE SOMEBODY PRESENT FOR 64?
9:13:49AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
64, NO.
I WANT SOMEONE PRESENT FOR 63 -- WELL, 48 IS THE ONE WE HAVE
TO VOTE ON.

64 NO.
LET ME TAKE A LOOK AGAIN.
I DID MY HOMEWORK --
9:14:04AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I THINK THAT IS THE ORDINANCE ASSOCIATED
WITH THE DISCUSSION OF 63.
MAYBE I'M MISTAKEN.
NO?
9:14:20AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES, SOMEONE CAN BE HERE FOR 64.
9:14:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES ON 64.
65?
9:14:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
9:14:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:14:34AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I HAVE ONE MORE.
ITEM NUMBER 2, IS I WANT TO ADD IT TO STAFF UNFINISHED
BUSINESS.
IT'S CEREMONIAL BUT I WANT TO ADD IT TO THE AGENDA FOR
STAFF.
9:14:45AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FOR DISCUSSION.
9:14:46AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
9:14:47AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
RATHER THAN TAKE IT UP UNDER PRESENTATION.
9:14:50AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WELL, THEY ARE GOING TO PRESENT, BUT I
WANT TO DISCUSS IT UNDER UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
9:15:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE'LL HAVE THE PRESENTATION BY THE
CITIZEN BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE BUT THEN WE CAN DISCUSS IT

LATER ON.
9:15:06AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
CORRECT, UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
9:15:09AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT IS A MOTION TO ADD TO THE AGENDA.
9:15:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
ALL RIGHT.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ALL RIGHT.
MR. SHELBY.
9:15:30AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF
CITY COUNCIL.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, DISCUSSING PUBLIC
COMMENT.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE ALLOWED A REASONABLE OPPORTUNITY
AT THE BEGINNING OF TODAY'S COUNCIL MEETING TO ADDRESS ANY
ITEM ON THE AGENDA BEFORE CITY COUNCIL TAKES OFFICIAL ACTION
ON AN ITEM.
A THREE-MINUTE TIME LIMIT APPLIES TO ALL SPEAKERS PROVIDING

PUBLIC COMMENT.
SPEAKERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE REMINDED THAT THEY
ARE TO REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING MAKING
VULGAR OR THREATENING REMARKS OR MAKING OR CAUSING
DISRUPTIVE NOISES OR SOUNDS OR DISPLAYING SIGNS OR GRAPHICS.
SPEAKERS ARE ALSO REMINDED TO REFRAIN FROM LAUNCHING
PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST ANY CITY OFFICIAL, STAFF MEMBER, OR
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
THE CHAIR WILL RULE OUT OF ORDER ANY PERSON WHO SPEAKS
WITHOUT BEING RECOGNIZED OR ATTEMPTS TO ADDRESS THE CITY
COUNCIL FROM OUTSIDE THE SPEAKER AREA AT THE PODIUM.
PERSONS FAILING TO COMPLY WITH THE COUNCIL'S RULES MAY ALSO
BE RULED OUT OF ORDER AND AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR MAY
BE REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBERS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THAT DAY'S
MEETING.
NOW, IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEMS SET FOR A PUBLIC
HEARING, AS IT APPEARS ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL HAVE THAT
OPPORTUNITY WHEN THE ITEM IS HEARD LATER IN THE AGENDA.
WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE CEMETERY DESIGNATION.
THAT WILL FOLLOW IMMEDIATELY PUBLIC COMMENT.
NO PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE TAKEN LATER DURING STAFF REPORTS.
THE TIME TO SPEAK ABOUT THOSE ITEMS UNDER STAFF REPORTS AND
ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA IS DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT
THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING UP.
AND FINALLY, CITY COUNCIL, PLEASE, MEMBERS SHOULD REFRAIN

FROM ENGAGING A SPEAKER UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT AND THE PUBLIC
SHOULD BE AWARE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT TAKE YOUR
QUESTIONS OR ENGAGE IN DIALOGUE WITH YOU DURING GENERAL
PUBLIC COMMENT.
THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS YOUR POSITION.
THANK YOU.
9:17:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. SHELBY.
I JUST SPOKE WITH MY AIDE AND MR. MASSEY REGARDING 63, HE
DOES NOT NEED TO BE PRESENT FOR 63.
HE WILL BE PRESENT FOR 64.
EVEN THOUGH WE ASKED YES FOR 63.
IS THAT CORRECT, LISA?
WE'LL GET TO THAT WHEN WE GET TO THAT.
AT THIS TIME, WE'LL START WITH ITEM NUMBER 2.
WE HAVE THE CITIZEN BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO PRESENT AT
LEAST TWO TO THREE OPTIONS REGARDING A SALARY INCREASE AND
TO WORK WITH STAFF.
WHO WILL BE PRESENTING?
YES, SIR, DR. NEWMAN.
GO AHEAD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:18:05AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
9:18:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AND COUNCILMAN VIERA IS HERE.
9:18:18AM >> ON NOVEMBER 2, 2023, CITY COUNCIL WAS -- REQUESTED THE
BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD PRESENT TWO TO THREE OPTIONS FOR CITY
COUNCIL TO CONSIDER --

9:18:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, SIR.
9:18:29AM >> OH, I APOLOGIZE.
CRAIG NEWMAN.
I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF THE CITY BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD.
I'LL CONTINUE.
I'LL START FROM THE BEGINNING SO WE GOT IT ALL STRAIGHT.
ON NOVEMBER 2, 2023, CITY COUNCIL REQUESTED THE BUDGET
ADVISORY BOARD PRESENT TWO TO THREE OPTIONS FOR CITY COUNCIL
TO CONSIDER REGARDING THE SALARY INCREASE.
THESE ARE THE -- THESE ARE THE THREE OPTIONS FOR THE CITY
COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.
ONE, MAINTAIN THE CURRENT SYSTEM AS IS, WHICH IS TIED TO THE
CITY MANAGER'S 3%.
NUMBER TWO, ESTABLISH A PAY SCALE FOR THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL
STARTING ON MAY 1, 2027.
NUMBER THREE, REQUEST STAFF TO CONDUCT A PAY/EQUITY STUDY ON
CITY COUNCIL SALARIES.
THOSE ARE THE THREE OPTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP THROUGH THE
CITY BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME?
9:19:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:19:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I BELIEVE THAT NUMBER THREE HAS ALREADY BEEN
DONE BY THE CHIEF OF STAFF.
IS THAT CORRECT?
9:19:37AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.

THAT IS CORRECT.
WE TOOK INPUT FROM VARIOUS SOURCES.
WE LOOKED AT SIMILAR JURISDICTIONS, AND THEN WE TRIED TO
MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT BASED ON WHAT WE UNDERSTOOD AT THE TIME.
TIMING IS ALWAYS MAYBE A CHALLENGE, BUT WE TRY TO PUT THE
MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR COUNCIL TO MAKE A DECISION.
9:19:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
WONDERFUL.
I GUESS WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE FUTURE.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I PUT THAT INTO THE RECORD.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
9:20:07AM >> THANK YOU.
9:20:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE'LL DISCUSS THIS FURTHER AS REQUESTED
BY COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON LATER ON IN THE AGENDA.
IS THAT IT, SIR?
9:20:19AM >> THAT'S IT.
9:20:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU COULDN'T HIT THAT DOOR ANY FASTER.
9:20:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ENJOY YOUR DAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AT THIS TIME, WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO
TAKE THE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS FIRST.
WE HAVE TEN PEOPLE LISTED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE FIRST GENTLEMAN THAT I HAVE IS MR. CHRIS CURRY.
CHRIS CURRY, IF YOU ARE ONLINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF,
STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
9:20:40AM >> HE'S NOT ONLINE.

9:20:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HE'S NOT ONLINE.
NEXT IS ALIS BEECHY.
IF YOU ARE ONLINE, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, YOU HAVE
THREE MINUTES.
9:20:49AM >> SHE'S NOT ON EITHER.
9:20:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THIRD IS MR. FRANKLIN PEREZ.
MR. PEREZ, IF YOU'RE ONLINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, STATE YOUR NAME.
9:20:57AM >> YES, SIR, FRANKLIN PEREZ.
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
9:21:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.
9:21:02AM >> MY NAME IS FRANKLIN PEREZ.
I LIVE IN SEMINOLE AND HILLSBOROUGH COUNTIES.
PLEASE RESCIND ALL PRO-ISRAEL RESOLUTIONS YOU HAVE MADE IN
THE PAST.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
ISRAEL IS A JEWISH SUPREMACIST APARTHEID STATE THAT HAS BEEN
COMMITTING ETHNIC CLEANSING AND HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES AGAINST
PALESTINIANS FOR 75-PLUS YEARS, AND NOW YOU CAN ADD GENOCIDE
AS ISRAEL IS ON TRIAL AT THE HAGUE FOR GENOCIDE AGAINST
PALESTINIANS.
STOP SUPPORTING ISRAEL.
STOP GIVING IT WEAPONS.
STOP GIVING IT MONEY AND CONDEMN IT FOR WHAT IT IS -- AN
APARTHEID AND GENOCIDAL STATE.

MANY HUMAN RIGHTS EXPERTS REFER TO GAZA AS AN OPEN AIR
CONCENTRATION CAMP.
THE ISRAELI APARTHEID REGIME PRIME MINISTER, BENJAMIN
NETANYAHU, HAS INVOKED GENOCIDAL LANGUAGE AGAINST
PALESTINIANS IN THE GAZA CONCENTRATION CAMP BY REFERRING TO
AN ANCIENT BIBLICAL PASSAGE IN THE OLD TESTAMENT COMPARING
PALESTINIANS TO THE AMALEKITES THAT MUST ALL BE PUT TO
DEATH -- MEN, WOMEN, CHILDREN, BABIES.
THE ISRAELI APARTHEID REGIME DEFENSE MINISTER, YOAV GALLANT,
HAS DEHUMANIZED PALESTINIANS BY REFERRING TO PALESTINIANS IN
THE GAZA CONCENTRATION CAMP AS HUMAN ANIMALS.
MIKO PELED, ISRAELI JEW, SON OF A FAMOUS ISRAELI JEW
GENERAL, EX-ZIONIST OCCUPATION ENFORCER AND PALESTINIAN
RIGHTS ACTIVIST HAS STATED THAT THE ISRAELI ARMY IS THE BEST
TERRORIST GROUP IN THE WORLD.
EX-ISRAELI JEW ZIONIST OCCUPATION FORCES PILOT, YONATAN
SHAPIRA, HAS STATED THAT THE ISRAELI ARMY IS A TERRORIST
ORGANIZATION RUN BY WAR CRIMINALS.
AT THIS POINT, SCATTERED ZIONIST ONLY OCCUPIER SETTLEMENTS
IN THE WEST BANK, THE ONLY FAIR SOLUTION TO THE ISRAEL
PALESTINE CONFLICT IS A ONE-STAGE SOLUTION WHERE EVERYONE,
JEW AND PALESTINIAN, HAS EQUAL RIGHTS.
THAT'S WHY IT IS REFERRED TO AS A FREE PALESTINE FROM THE
JORDAN RIVER TO THE MEDITERRANEAN SEA.
ALL U.S. GOVERNMENT ENTITIES SHOULD BE PRESSURING THE

ISRAELI APARTHEID REGIME TO MOVE TOWARD SUCH A FREE
PALESTINE THAT INCLUDES THE DISMANTLING OF THE GAZA
CONCENTRATION CAMP.
THE REFRAIN THAT ISRAEL HAS THE RIGHT TO SELF-DEFENSE IS A
RED HERRING.
THE REAL QUESTION IS, DOES ISRAEL HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE
FORCE TO MAINTAIN AN ILLEGAL OCCUPATION IN APARTHEID STATE
THAT COMMITS ETHNIC CLEANSING, GENOCIDE, AND HUMAN RIGHTS
ABUSES AGAINST PALESTINIANS?
THE CLEAR ANSWER IS NO.
UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW, ISRAEL HAS NO RIGHT OF SELF-DEFENSE
WHEN IT IS THE OPPRESSOR AND OCCUPIER WHILE PALESTINIANS DO
HAVE THE RIGHT TO PHYSICALLY RESIST AND DEFEND THEMSELVES
AGAINST THEIR OPPRESSOR AND OCCUPIER, THE ISRAELI APARTHEID
REGIME.
OUR TAX DOLLARS SHOULD BE GOING BACK TO OUR OWN COMMUNITY,
NOT TO SUPPORT UNRELENTING BOMBING AND GENOCIDE IN GAZA.
NO MORE MONEY FOR ISRAEL'S CRIMES.
I REQUEST THAT THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL INTRODUCE A RESOLUTION
TO STAND WITH PALESTINIANS IN DEMANDING AN END TO THE SIEGE
OF GAZA, A PERMANENT CEASE-FIRE, AND AN END TO ALL U.S. AID
TO ISRAEL -- MILITARY, ECONOMIC, POLITICAL.
CEASE FIRE NOW, CEASE FIRE NOW, CEASE FIRE NOW.
THANK YOU.
9:23:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MR. MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
MR. RANDOLPH, IF YOU ARE ONLINE, UNMUTE YOURSELF AND STATE
YOUR NAME.
9:23:57AM >>THE CLERK:
THE ONLY OTHER PERSON ONLINE IS ED.
9:24:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IS MR. RANDOLPH ON?
9:24:02AM >> NO.
9:24:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
WE GO TO MR. ED AUSTIN.
MR. AUSTIN, IF YOU ARE ONLINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND
STATE YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
MR. AUSTIN, IF YOU ARE ONLINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND
STATE YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
MR. AUSTIN?
9:24:35AM >>THE CLERK:
[INAUDIBLE]
9:24:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IF THAT IS THE CASE, WE'LL CONTINUE WITH
PUBLIC COMMENT AND GO TO IN-PERSON COMMENT.
I SEE ANDREW WARREN IF YOU WANT TO START OFF.
GOOD MORNING, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:24:46AM >> HI.
GOOD MORNING.
ANDREW WARREN, DULY ELECTED STATE ATTORNEY HERE IN
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
WRONGFUL CONVICTIONS VIOLATE THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL VALUES OF

OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM BY PUNISHING THE INNOCENT AND
LETTING THE GUILTY GO FREE.
THAT'S WHY AT THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WE STARTED A
CONVICTION REVIEW UNIT, A SPECIALIZED UNIT TO IDENTIFY AND
FIX WRONGFUL CONVICTIONS.
IN 2020 WE EXONERATED ROBERT DUBOISE, A MAN LOCKED UP FOR 37
YEARS FOR RAPE AND MURDER THAT HE DIDN'T COMMIT.
NOW, ROBERT'S CASE THAT EXONERATION EXEMPLIFIES
PROSECUTORIAL SUCCESS, EXONERATING THE INNOCENT, GOING AFTER
THE ACTUAL PERPETRATORS, DELIVERING JUSTICE TO VICTIMS AND
THEIR FAMILIES AND FINDING WAYS TO IMPROVE THE SYSTEM.
DNA EVIDENCE PROVED ROBERT'S INNOCENCE AND IT LED TO US THE
TWO PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY COMMITTED THAT CRIME.
TWO YEARS LATER WE FOUND AND INDICTED THEM FOR THAT HEINOUS
MURDER.
NOW, ROBERT'S CONVICTION WAS A TERRIBLE INJUSTICE, AND I'M
PROUD TO HAVE LED THE CHARGE TO RIGHT THAT WRONG.
BUT I DID NOT DO IT ALONE.
I WANT TO THANK TERESA HALL AND RAY ESTEVEZ WHO LED THE
CONVICTION REVIEW UNIT INVESTIGATION.
THANK THE DETECTIVES FROM THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT AND
FDLE WHO DID INCREDIBLE WORK TO UNCOVER THE WRONG AND TO
ACTUALLY HELP BUILD THE CASE AGAINST THE ACTUAL
PERPETRATORS.
I WANT TO THANK JUDGE CHRIS NASH WHO REVIEWED THE EVIDENCE,

RECOGNIZED HIS INNOCENCE AND ORDERED ROBERT'S RELEASE.
EVEN THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE WHO PUT ASIDE PARTISANSHIP AND
CAME TOGETHER IN A NEAR UNANIMOUS VOTE TO EXONERATE ROBERT.
OF COURSE, HERE TODAY THE CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO BE VOTING
ON COMPENSATION FOR ROBERT.
I'LL TELL YOU, I HAVE NO IDEA HOW YOU PUT A PRICE ON 37
YEARS OF FREEDOM THAT'S BEEN TAKEN AWAY.
BUT I TRUST OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS, OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS AND
OUR MAYOR TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
AFTER ALL, THAT'S HOW DEMOCRACY IS SUPPOSED TO WORK.
UNFORTUNATELY NOT EVERYONE BELIEVES IN SEEKING JUSTICE.
I'M DISAPPOINTED TO HEAR THAT THE ACTING STATE ATTORNEY,
UNELECTED AND ILLEGALLY APPOINTED DOESN'T BELIEVE IN THE
IDEA OF CONVICTION INTEGRITY AND EFFECTIVELY DISBANDED THAT
UNIT IN THE OFFICE.
LOOK, PROSECUTORS SHOULD RELENTLESSLY PURSUE JUSTICE ALWAYS.
OUR UNIT REVIEWED HUNDREDS OF CASES WHERE WE PROVED THE
SYSTEM GOT IT RIGHT, WHICH INSTILLS CONFIDENCE AND BRINGS
CLOSURE TO VICTIMS' FAMILIES.
IN THIS CASE OF ROBERT DUBOISE IS THE EXTREMELY RARE
EXCEPTION WHERE WE GOT IT TOTALLY WRONG.
I'M GLAD THAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS TAKING A VOTE ON THIS TO
GIVE A VICTORY THAT'S BEEN WAITING FOR 40 YEARS.
THIS IS A HUGE VICTORY FOR JUSTICE, A VICTORY NOT JUST FOR
ROBERT, BUT FOR THE ENTIRE TAMPA BAY COMMUNITY AND EVERYONE

WHO BELIEVES THAT THE TIME IS ALWAYS RIGHT TO DO WHAT'S
RIGHT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
9:27:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
9:27:55AM >> GOOD MORNING.
BOBBY CREIGHTON.
I LIVE IN TAMPA, FLORIDA.
I WANTED TO SPEAK ON ITEM 65, FUTURE LAND USE UPDATE THAT'S
COMING BEFORE YOU TODAY.
FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK COUNCIL FOR THEIR HISTORIC
BUDGET CONTRIBUTIONS TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR WORKING TO EXPAND THE
STREETCAR TO ENHANCE TRANSIT CONNECTIVITY THROUGHOUT THE
URBAN CORE.
THESE ISSUES SHOW THAT YOU HAVE HISTORIC COMMITMENTS TO
IMPORTANT ISSUES FACING OUR CITY.
IN GRAD SCHOOL, I LIVED IN CAMBRIDGE, MASSACHUSETTS, NEAR
DAVIS SQUARE.
I LIVED A 10-MINUTE WALK OR BIKE RIDE FROM SINGLE-FAMILY
NEIGHBORHOODS, MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL STREETS, MIXED USE
CORRIDORS WITH BARS, RESTAURANTS, RETAIL, DENTIST OFFICE,
PRIMARY CARE PROVIDER OFFICES, GROCERY STORES, THEATER,

SUBWAY STATION, COMMUTER RAIL, BUS SERVICE, CHURCHES,
GREENSPACES, ON AND ON.
TEN MINUTE WALK, TEN MINUTE BIKE RIDE.
IT WAS AMAZING.
DIDN'T NEED A CAR.
DIDN'T HAVE A CAR.
ALL THIS DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT WORKED REALLY WELL TO MAKE A
VERY LIVABLE PLACE.
THAT EXPERIENCE TURNED ME INTO SOMEWHAT OF A ZEALOT.
I SENT YOU ALL VERY IMPASSIONED E-MAILS BECAUSE I AND OTHERS
WANT TO LIVE IN A VERSION OF TAMPA THAT MORE CLOSELY
RESEMBLES THAT KIND OF ENVIRONMENT.
I THINK THAT THE CONSULTANT FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE UPDATES
AS WELL AS CITY AND INTERLOCAL AGENCY STAFF HAVE DONE A FINE
JOB OF RECOMMENDING CREATIVE SOLUTIONS TO GENERATE MORE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND DENSITY.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO RESPECTFULLY EXPRESS MY CONCERNS THAT
THE RECOMMENDATIONS DON'T GO FAR ENOUGH TO ADDRESS THE
DEMANDS THAT WE MAY FACE WITH THE POPULATION GROWTH OF OVER
400 NEW RESIDENTS A MONTH.
I SUSPECT IT'S NOT SUFFICIENT TO PRODUCE THE URBAN CONTEXT
THAT I JUST DESCRIBED.
WILL DEVELOPMENT BE FAST ENOUGH TO KEEP UP WITH THE GROWTH?
WILL IT BE ENOUGH TO PREVENT RESIDENTS THAT ARE THE FABRIC
OF TAMPA'S HISTORY AND CULTURE FROM BEING DISPLACED?

I HOPE SOMEONE CAN SHOW THE PUBLIC HOW THAT PENCILS OUT WITH
THE NUMBERS.
THE VISION OF THE PLAN BEING PRESENTED IS ONE WE SHOULD HAVE
HAD 20 OR 30 YEARS AGO AND BE LIVING IN TODAY.
IT FEELS SAFE BECAUSE IT MEETS THE EXPECTATION OF THE
PRESENT, BUT I'M AFRAID IT DOESN'T FULLY ADDRESS THE NEEDS
OF THE FUTURE.
WITH SO MUCH OF THE CITY LIMITED TO SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND
SO MUCH LIMITED SPACE ON THE CORRIDORS, WHERE ARE ALL THESE
PEOPLE GOING TO GO?
I HOPE THE EXPERTS AND PROFESSIONALS CAN SHOW THE PUBLIC HOW
THIS PENCILS OUT IN A FUNCTIONAL PLAN, AND I HOPE THAT THE
HOUSING WORKSHOP PROVIDES ADDITIONAL CONTEXT FOR FRAMING
THAT ISSUE.
9:30:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
YES, MA'AM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:30:26AM >> HI.
HUMAIRA AFZAL, AND I LIVE IN TAMPA.
OVER 50 TAMPA CITY COUNCILS ACROSS THE U.S. PASSED SOME
RESOLUTION CALLING FOR A CEASE FIRE IN GAZA.
AKRON, OHIO, ALBANY, NEW YORK, MADISON, WISCONSIN, SEATTLE,
EUGENE, OREGON.
MEANWHILE, YOU ALL REMAIN SILENT.
YOUR COUNTERPARTS IN ST. PETE ACTUALLY HAVE A CEASE FIRE

RESOLUTION ON THE AGENDA THIS AFTERNOON.
YOU ALL HAVE A COPY IN YOUR IN-BOX.
RICHIE FLOYD, THE ST. PETE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER WHO
INTRODUCED THE RESOLUTION, HAS FINALLY SHOWN THERE IS AT
LEAST ONE ELECTED LEADER IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA WITH THE
MORAL BACKBONE TO SPEAK UP.
MUCH LIKE PEOPLE ACROSS AMERICA, MANY TAMPA RESIDENTS
SUPPORT A PERMANENT CEASE FIRE AND DE-ESCALATION OF VIOLENCE
IN GAZA.
HERE ARE SOME ACTUAL NUMBERS IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME.
THESE ARE VERY OLD NUMBERS.
I CAN TELL YOU THERE ARE A LOT MORE PEOPLE CALLING FOR A
CEASE FIRE AT THIS POINT.
YOUR LOCAL PALESTINIAN, ARAB AND MUSLIM NEIGHBORS --
ISRAEL'S WAR ON GAZA ALSO DIRECTLY AFFECTS MANY PEOPLE WHO
CALL TAMPA HOME.
YOUR LOCAL PALESTINIAN, ARAB AND MUSLIM NEIGHBORS ARE
EXPERIENCING A SHARP RISE IN ANTI-ARAB, ANTI-PALESTINIAN AND
ESPECIALLY ISLAMOPHOBIA HATE.
MANY LOCAL RESIDENTS HAVE MULTIPLE FRIENDS AND RELATIVES
ETHNICALLY CLEANSED IN GAZA OR WRONGFULLY IMPRISONED IN THE
WEST BANK.
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US IS COMPLICIT IN THE WAR CRIMES
BECAUSE OUR U.S. TAXPAYERS ARE FUNDING THE GENOCIDE.
OUR OWN REPRESENTATIVES IN CONGRESS HAVE VOTED REPEATEDLY TO

SEND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO ISRAEL.
MOST RECENTLY, $14 BILLION.
THAT IS ON THE AGENDA THIS MONTH IN CONGRESS.
OUR OWN -- THAT'S NOT JUST RICK SCOTT AND MARCO RUBIO, BUT
KATHY CASTOR.
INSTEAD OF USING THAT MONEY TO FIX PROBLEMS HERE AT HOME,
THINGS LIKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT'S BEING USED TO CARPET
BOMB AND SNIPE CIVILIANS, BLOW UP HOMES, HOSPITALS, SCHOOLS
AND BAKERIES.
KATHY CASTOR REPRESENTS BOTH ST. PETE AND TAMPA IN CONGRESS.
MAYBE SHE'LL STOP VOTING TO FUND GENOCIDE IF BOTH CITIES
PASS RESOLUTIONS.
HOW MANY WAR CRIMES WILL IT TAKE FOR YOU TO SPEAK UP?
YOUR CONSTITUENTS ARE WARY OF FEELING ABANDONED ON THIS,
GAZA AND OTHER ISSUES.
HOW MANY MORE PALESTINIANS HAVE TO DIE BEFORE YOU SPEAK UP?
STARVATION IS BEING USED AS A WEAPON OF WAR.
I'M SPEAKING OUT BECAUSE I HAVE EMPATHY AND COMPASSION FOR
OTHER HUMANS FACING HORRIBLE INJUSTICE, AND I WANT IT TO
STOP.
I ASK YOU TO DO THE SAME.
OUR NATIONAL, STATE, AND COUNTY LEADERS HAVE FAILED TO SHOW
MORAL CLARITY ON THIS TERRIBLE INJUSTICE.
CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE THE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES CLOSER
TO THE PEOPLE AND WE DESERVE BETTER FROM YOU.

IT'S TIME TO SPEAK UP.
9:33:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, SIR.
MR. COLEMAN, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:33:28AM >> HI.
DAVE COLEMAN, NORTH TAMPA.
GOOD MORNING.
THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IS WHY
TAMPA CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS.
AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE GWEN MYERS SAYING AT JUST THE LAST
AFFORDABLE HOUSING MEETING THAT HILLSBOROUGH WAS DOING GREAT
WITH HOMELESSNESS THAT THE NUMBERS ARE DOWN.
IF YOU ASK THEM, THEY PREFER TO STAY THAT WAY BECAUSE THEY
MAKE MORE MONEY.
WITH SUCH A FALSE BELIEF, WE CAN EXPECT LITTLE HELP.
I RECENTLY ATTENDED A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WHERE A
PRESENTATION WAS GIVEN BY THE TPO REGARDING THE NEW
TRANSPORTATION SURVEY.
IT SEEMS LIKE A REAL EFFORT TOWARDS AN ACTUAL VISION ZERO
GOAL WHICH THE MAYOR HAS ASKED FOR.
I LEARNED ABOUT FUNDING THE HALF-CENT TAX AND THE SEVEN CENT
GAS TAX.
I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT.
THAT MONEY IS GOING TO A VARIETY OF THINGS, INCLUDING ROADS,
TRANSIT, AND EVEN SCHOOLS.

A TIMES ARTICLE THIS MORNING GOT ME OUT OF BED AND DOWN
HERE.
APPARENTLY AT A WORKSHOP JUST YESTERDAY, THE GOP CABAL HAS
DECIDED THAT OUR VOTED ON HALF CENT TAX NEEDS TO GO ON THE
BALLOT WITH AN UPCOMING ASK FOR A MILLAGE FOR SCHOOLS WITH
THE TPO TRYING TO FULFILL THE MAYOR'S PUSH FOR ACTUAL VISION
ZERO WITH THE FACT THAT THE CITY ONLY HAS 2 BILLION, THE
SCHOOLS 4 BILLION, AND THE COUNTY HAS 9 BILLION WITH 2.3
SITTING IN FLUID FUNDS, WE NEED TO FIGHT BACK ON REMOVING
THIS TAX.
WE PROBABLY NEED TO INCREASE IT.
THE MAYOR WAS AT THE MEETING YESTERDAY, AND I KNOW HER STAFF
AND THIS COUNCIL HAS FAR BETTER PEOPLE THAN ME TO FIGHT THE
BOCC.
ASIDE FROM THE UPCOMING FINAL FLU PRESENTATION THURSDAY
EVENING, 6 P.M., MARCH 7, OUGHT TO BE THREE OPPORTUNITIES TO
SPEAK ON THIS COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX.
MARCH 6, MARCH, APRIL, AND A PUBLIC HEARING ON APRIL 17.
I ASSUME ALL ARE GOING TO BE AT THE REGULAR BOCC MEETINGS.
PLEASE SEND HELP AND WISDOM TO STOP THE BOCC FROM PULLING
ALL RESOURCES FROM THE URBAN CORE, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT
THEY KEEP TRYING TO DO.
I'VE BEEN GOING OVER THERE THE PAST EIGHT MONTHS AND THAT'S
ALL THEY WANT TO DO.
THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY HAS THE

ENTIRE CITY WHITED OUT.
ON A COUPLE OF OTHER NOTES, YOU DESERVE MORE IN SALARIES,
AND THE JACKSON HOUSE WILL WAIT FOR NO MAN.
IT'S IN ITS LAST GROANS.
I DROVE PAST IT YESTERDAY.
PLEASE SALVAGE WHAT YOU CAN NOW.
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ACROSS THE LAND ARE PASSING RESOLUTIONS TO
SUPPORT A CEASE FIRE.
PLEASE DO ONE HERE.
THANK YOU.
9:36:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
YES, MA'AM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:36:11AM >> GOOD MORNING.
CONNIE BURTON.
ANDREW WARREN, THE DULY ELECTED STATE ATTORNEY, GOT IT
RIGHT.
AND WHILE HE WAS THERE, HE WAS SO COURAGEOUS, HE WAS ABLE TO
DO HIS JOB AS WELL AS LOOK BACKWARDS TO SEE WHAT HARM HAD
BEEN DONE TO THOSE UNDER HIS ADMINISTRATION THAT SHOULD BE
ENSURED RECEIVING JUSTICE.
YOU DEMOCRATS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT RIGHT TOO.
BUT THERE'S SOME RESISTANCE OF DOING WHAT'S RIGHT.
THE $14 MILLION I WOULD SAY IS NOTHING CONSIDERING
EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN LOST.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT AN ENTIRE AFRICAN COMMUNITY THAT
CONTINUES TO LOSE, FROM THE PAST TO THE FUTURE, WE ARE
CONTINUING TO LOSE.
WHAT YOU DID, AT LEAST FOUR OF YOU, SIGNED A RESOLUTION IN
2020 SAYING YOU UNDERSTOOD OUR LOSS.
YOU SAID BY YOUR OWN LANGUAGE THAT YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT
POLICIES HAD BEEN WRITTEN QUIETLY, SECRETLY, THAT BROUGHT
HARM TO THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY AND YET STILL TO THIS DAY YOU
CAN'T MOVE FORWARD.
THE COMMUNITY DIDN'T WRITE RESOLUTION 568; YOU DID.
YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO REPAIR THE HARM.
IN THAT RESOLUTION UNDER SECTION 3, IT TALKED ABOUT THOSE
THAT HAVE BEEN INCARCERATED.
WHAT YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?
THEY COME BACK TO A COMMUNITY WITH NO SKILLS.
THE COMMUNITY IS MORE CRIPPLED BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN EXCLUDED
FROM ALL ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
RECIDIVISM CONTINUE, CONTINUE, CONTINUE.
AND YET YOU EXPECT US, AS LOYAL SUPPORTERS OF THE DEMOCRATIC
PARTY AND VOTERS TO SUPPORT YOU.
HOW CAN WE DO IT?
NO.
WE HAVE TO MOVE IN OUR BEST INTERESTS NOW.
WE ARE HOPING AS YOU COMMEMORATE THE DR. KING CELEBRATION
THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT HE UNDERSTOOD, WHEN DR. KING SAID,

LOOK AT THOSE BEAUTIFUL CHURCHES, I WONDER WHAT PEOPLE AND
WHO DO THEY PRAY TO AND WHAT GOD DO THEY SERVE?
EVERY WEEK THAT I COME DOWN HERE AND I LOOK AT THAT AGENDA,
I WONDER IF YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THE BASE THAT HAS BEEN LOYAL
TO YOU.
THE BLACK COMMUNITY HAS BEEN LOYAL TO YOU.
YOU SIGNED THE RESOLUTION IN 2020.
WE ARE IN 2024.
OUR COMMUNITY, ACCORDING TO THE STATE OF THE STATE REPORT
YOU PASSED OUT THE OTHER DAY, ECONOMICALLY WE ARE DOING
WORSE.
WE CANNOT PROVIDE A FUTURE FOR OUR CHILDREN.
WE CANNOT CLOSE THE ECONOMIC GAP THAT IS CONTINUING.
WE CANNOT SAVE OUR HOUSES BECAUSE OF THE ONGOING NEGLECT.
IT'S ON YOU.
9:39:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:39:25AM >> GREETINGS, STAFF, CITY COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS DOMINIQUE COBB.
I AM A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF TAMPA AND HAPPY BLACK HISTORY
MONTH.
TODAY, I'M HERE ON MULTIPLE I GUESS I WOULD SAY AGENDA
ITEMS.
AND ALSO ISSUES IN THE COMMUNITY.
I HAVE SERVED AS CRA IN THE EAST TAMPA COMMUNITY FROM

VARIOUS BOARDS FROM THE PUBLIC SAFETY TO HOUSING.
I CURRENTLY SERVE AS THE CHAIR FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION FOR
THE CITY OF TAMPA, BUT THAT IS NOT WHY I AM HERE.
I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE I AM JUST -- I'M UPSET BECAUSE I
COULD HAVE MOVED ANYPLACE IN THE UNITED STATES AND ABROAD
WITH MY CAREER OR WITH MY FAMILY, BUT I CHOSE TO STAY HERE
BECAUSE I HAVE FAMILY.
WE HAVE ROOTS HERE.
BUT, UNFORTUNATELY, WITH ALL OF MY STUDIES AND RESEARCH AND
ALSO A STUDENT OF PUBLIC POLICY, I SEE THAT THE POLICIES
HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA ARE NOT FOR ME AND MY FAMILY.
AGAIN, IN AFRICAN SPIRITUALITY WE HAVE CALLED OBARRA O'SHEA,
WHICH IS THE BELL RINGS THE LOUDEST IN THE HOUSE.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS BEFORE I CAN HELP ANYBODY ELSE, I HAVE TO
HELP AND SEE WHAT IS IN MY HOUSE THAT IS WRONG.
IF THE FIRE ALARM GOES OFF IN MY HOUSE, I HAVE TO SAVE ME
AND MY CHILDREN.
UNFORTUNATELY, THERE ARE FAMILIES HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
THAT DON'T HAVE A HOME.
I SEE MULTIPLE RESOLUTIONS ABOUT HOUSING.
I'VE EVEN WORKED FOR THE HOUSING AUTHORITY CITY OF TAMPA.
BEING THERE AND SEEING MULTIPLE VOUCHERS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN
USED FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE FAMILY.
IT IS A MESS.
AND I'M BEING VERY EMOTIONAL RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I'VE GONE

THROUGH THIS.
I'VE WORKED WITH FAMILIES WHO ARE STRUGGLING RIGHT NOW, AND
BECAUSE THIS DEMOGRAPHIC LOOKS LIKE THIS, BECAUSE THIS CITY
LOOKS THE WAY IT DOES, THEY HAVE NOWHERE TO GO FOR HELP.
SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY FEED REGULARLY.
WE GIVE CLOTHING.
UNFORTUNATELY THOSE SMALL INDIVIDUAL CONGLOMERATES, THEY
DON'T GET THE HELP BECAUSE THE MONEY DOESN'T TRICKLE DOWN.
THE MONEY GOES TO THE SAME CORPORATIONS.
SO I HOPE THAT WE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THESE SMALL TASK
FORCES AND RESOLUTIONS THAT'S BEING MADE AND GET IN CONTACT
WITH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY GOING THROUGH THESE CRISES.
NOT ONLY ARE THERE PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO START BUSINESSES IN
THE CITY OF TAMPA, THEY CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE THE PLACES IN
EAST TAMPA ARE HORRIBLE.
WE CAN'T EVEN GET ECONOMIC STIMULATION HERE.
PLEASE, LOOK AT THE BUDGET.
I ADVISE EVERYONE, ELECTION TIME IS COMING UP RIGHT NOW.
YES, WE MAY BE DEMOCRATIC, BUT WE MAY NOT BE VOTING.
THANK YOU AND YOU HAVE A BEAUTIFUL DAY.
9:42:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
GOOD MORNING, MA'AM.
9:42:25AM >> GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS SALLYISE LEE OF THE VOLUNTARY MISSIONARY SOCIETY
PENNY FUND.
I LIFT UP MY EYES WHICH COMETH MY HEALTH BY GOD WHO MADE
HEAVEN AND EARTH.
I AM ASKING THE COUNCIL TO PLEASE HELP SISTER GWEN TO COME
OUT TO THE RESOURCE CENTER SPACE AND HELP HER OPEN THE DOORS
TO THE VOLUNTEER MISSIONARY SOCIETY CENTER FOR YOUTH AND
SENIORS.
WE CAN WIN FOR THE YOUTH AND SENIORS AND LEARN HOW TO LIVE,
THRIVE, AND SURVIVE.
WE CAN WIN.
THANK GOD FOR THE TAMPA POLICE SERVICES HAVE BEEN COMING OUT
TO CHECK ON US SENIORS, BECAUSE WE GO THROUGH A LOT.
AND THE POLICE OFFICERS CAN HELP TO CHANGE OUR COMMUNITY.
LET THAT BE A VOICE FOR OUR COMMUNITY FOR SENIORS AND YOUTH.
COME LET US REASON TOGETHER.
AND IF THE CHILDREN WOULD SEE THE PARENTS GETTING ALONG,
THEY WOULD CHANGE THEIR ATTITUDE WHEN THEY SEE WE ARE ALL
GOING TOGETHER.
YOU HAVE BEEN SUMMONED BY GOD.
EMPTY SPACES, SO WE CAN THRIVE AND SURVIVE.
WE CAN WIN.
HELP US.
TOGETHER WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL.
AFRICAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS, UNITE NOW.

FOR GOD FORGIVE OUR SINS AND ATTITUDE.
UNITE NOW.
IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A DONATION, YOU CAN SEND IT TO SUNCOAST
CREDIT UNION, 1920 EAST -- STREET.
WE SHOULD OPPOSE THE SOCIAL SECURITY BILL, HR 281.
THEY ARE TRYING TO TAKE OUR MONEY AWAY, AND I'M WRITING TO
THEM, ASKING THEM PLEASE DON'T DO THAT.
AND MAY GOD CEASE FIRE AND BRING PEACE TO THIS EARTH.
AMEN.
9:44:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, MA'AM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:44:47AM >> TASIA STAGG.
THE CITY CODE FOR OVERGROWTH ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THERE'S SUCH
A THING AS VEGETATION PROTECTED BY THE STATE.
THE CITY SPECIFICALLY THE FLORIDA STATUTES SPECIFY THAT
FLORIDA FRIENDLY LANDSCAPE, THIS IS THE FLORIDA FRIENDLY
LANDSCAPING STATUTE 373.185.
AND SPECIFICALLY LOCAL GOVERNMENT ORDINANCE MAY NOT PROHIBIT
OR BE ENFORCED SO AS TO PROHIBIT ANY PROPERTY OWNER FROM
IMPLEMENTING FLORIDA FRIENDLY LANDSCAPING ON HIS OR HER
LAND.
THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA HAS A PROGRAM TO RECOGNIZE FLORIDA
FRIENDLY LANDSCAPING.
IT'S CALLED YARD RECOGNITION.

THIS IS THEIR CHECKLIST FOR HOW TO QUALIFY FOR OFFICIAL
RECOGNITION AS A FLORIDA FRIENDLY LANDSCAPE.
I'LL SHOW YOU FLORIDA FRIENDLY LANDSCAPING PRINCIPLE 4,
MULCH.
FIRST ITEM, SELF-MULCHING AREAS EXIST UNDER TREES WHERE
LEAFS CAN REMAIN AS THEY FALL.
YOU MIGHT HAVE HEARD OF LEAVE THE LEAFS.
THEY ARE NOT DIRT.
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HURT SOMEBODY.
THEY ARE FREE FERTILIZER.
IT'S A WASTE AND DESTRUCTIVE TO BLOW THEM.
SHOULDN'T TREAT THEM LIKE TRASH.
THEY ARE VALUABLE.
YESTERDAY I LEARNED THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA FORBIDS LEAVING
THE LEAFS BECAUSE THEY COULD THEORETICALLY BECOME DISLODGED
FROM PLANT BEDS AND BLOW ON TO A PUBLIC SIDEWALK.
THIS IS CLEARLY A VIOLATION OF THE FLORIDA STATUTE ALONG
WITH BEING ARBITRARY ENFORCEMENT OF THE CODE.
THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
ACCORDING TO THE RESULTS OF THE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST THAT
I PLACED, CITY CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS PROVIDED NO TRAINING TO
OFFICERS TO COMPLY WITH THE FLORIDA FRIENDLY LANDSCAPING
STATUTE.
THE CITY WILL KILL THE OASIS I MANAGED TO CREATE, THE NEARLY
ALL NATIVE LANDSCAPE THAT WOULD OTHERWISE SURVIVE AND

CONTINUE TO SUPPORT POLLINATORS AND BIRDS WHOSE POPULATIONS
ARE DECLINING.
THIS IS EMBARRASSINGLY EVIL.
PLEASE HELP.
9:47:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
GOOD MORNING.
9:47:39AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS EARNEST LOCKLEY JUNIOR.
I LIVE ON CLIFTON STREET IN TAMPA.
I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN TAMPA.
MY FATHER WAS BORN AND RAISED IN TAMPA.
I WAS BORN ON CYPRESS IN WEST TAMPA AND RAISED IN EAST
TAMPA.
I'M A VETERAN OF THE AIR FORCE, UNITED STATES AIR FORCE.
I SERVED IN THE VIETNAM WAR ALONG WITH MY FAMILY.
GAVE A LOT TO THE COUNTRY THROUGH PARTICIPATION IN THE
SERVICE AND ARMY.
MY GRANDFATHER AT THE AGE OF 42 WAS DRAFTED AND SERVED IN
THE WORLD WAR II SITUATION.
MY UNCLE, JOSEPH LOCKLEY JUNIOR, WAS KILLED IN WORLD WAR II.
IN 1942, MY UNCLE EMANUEL LOCKLEY WAS SHOT AND WOUNDED AND
MISSING IN ACTION IN WORLD WAR II.
MY FATHER SERVED AT THE END OF WORLD WAR II.

AT ANY RATE, I AM A PARTICIPANT OF THE GOVERNMENT OF THE
UNITED STATES.
I RETIRED FROM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
I WORK WITH THE ROAD AND STREET DEPARTMENT.
I WORK WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I'M A LITTLE APPALLED.
MY CONCERN IS MY OBSERVATION OF WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON IN THE
BLACK COMMUNITY.
I REMEMBER THE OLDER DAYS.
I'M 70 YEARS OLD, SO I REMEMBER THE PROJECTS AND ALL THAT
STUFF.
I FEEL GOOD ABOUT SOME OF THE NEW THINGS THAT'S BEEN DONE IN
OUR COMMUNITY, HELPING PEOPLE TO GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT TO ME IN MY OBSERVATION IT'S NOT
GOOD ENOUGH.
THE PEOPLE ARE NOT MAKING ENOUGH MONEY TO SURVIVE.
EVERY TIME I LOOK AROUND, SOMEBODY GOT TO GET A SECOND JOB
OR A THIRD JOB JUST TO SURVIVE, PAY RENT.
EVERYTHING WENT UP WHEN THE $15 AN HOUR CAME IN.
AND SO IN OUR COMMUNITY, IT'S STILL A BIG STRUGGLE
ECONOMICALLY.
AND THE OTHER OBSERVATION THAT I'M TIRED OF SEEING IS THAT
THE BLACK COMMUNITY ALWAYS HAS TO BE LAST WHEN IT COMES DOWN
TO IMPROVEMENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
I'M TIRED OF DRIVING MY TRUCK, GETTING BEAT UP ON MY STREETS

WITH POTHOLES AND PATCHES THAT LOOK LIKE MY HAIR.
I'M JUST SAYING, I'M TIRED OF SEEING FINANCES GO TO THE
RIVERWALK.
I'M ABOUT READY TO START WALKING ON WATER LIKE JESUS,
BECAUSE I'M TIRED OF SEEING MONEY GOING TO THE RIVERWALK
WHEN MY STREETS WHERE MY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PAYING TAXES FOR
30, 40, 60, 70 YEARS.
I KNOW I'VE BEEN HERE.
MY FAMILY BEEN HERE.
I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M NOT TRYING TO BE HOSTILE AGAINST
NOBODY.
I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO DO A BETTER JOB IN OUR COMMUNITY.
9:50:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, MA'AM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:51:06AM >> HELLO.
GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS HAILEY FRANKLIN.
I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME, BUT I DID
JUST WANT TO BE HERE TODAY AND INTRODUCE MYSELF.
I WAS ACTUALLY JUST CROWNED MS. GULF COAST, SO I WILL BE
REPRESENTING TAMPA, WHICH IS WHERE I RESIDE AND THE REGION
AND FLORIDA AS A WHOLE AT NATIONALS IN JULY.
WE WILL BE COMPETING, ALL THE STATES AND THE REGIONS WILL BE

COMPETING AS A WHOLE AND I'M HONORED TO REPRESENT TAMPA.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME REPRESENT THIS
BEAUTIFUL CITY.
AND I'M ACTUALLY FROM KENTUCKY.
SO I WAS TOLD THAT I WAS THE YOUNGEST ELECTED OFFICIAL IN
KENTUCKY WHEN I SERVED ON CITY COUNCIL.
SO I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING PUBLIC SERVANTS.
I KNOW HOW HARD IT CAN BE AT TIMES.
BUT THANK YOU.
IF YOU KNOW ANY ORGANIZATIONS THAT NEED AN EXTRA HAND OR
WOULD LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA ADVERTISEMENT, GET WITH ME
AND I WOULD LOVE TO HELP IF IT BENEFITS THE CITY IN ANY WAY,
I WOULD LOVE TO BE A PART OF THAT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS AGAINST THE RULES, BUT CAN I GET A
PICTURE?
WITH EVERYBODY IN THE BACKGROUND JUST UP HERE AT THE FRONT?
I CALLED AND SAID THAT I COULD TRY IT.
9:52:22AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT WOULD UNFORTUNATELY SET A VERY DIFFICULT
PRECEDENT TO AVOID IN THE FUTURE.
OUR APOLOGIES.
THANK YOU.
9:52:30AM >> OKAY.
NO WORRIES.
THANK YOU, GUYS.

9:52:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MS. COPELAND MILLER.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
GOOD MORNING.
9:52:42AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS NOREEN COPELAND MILLER, A RESIDENT OF EAST TAMPA.
AS I LISTEN TO SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS IN THE AUDIENCE TALKING
ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR COMMUNITY, I HAD TO COME UP AND
SPEAK TO THIS BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT YOU GUYS WORK HARD,
MAJORITY OF YOU HERE 4:00 IN THE MORNING, CERTAINLY NOT
SOMETHING THAT I KNOW YOU TAKE PLEASURE IN.
DOING THE WORK OF THE CITY.
BUT PLEASE REMEMBER EAST TAMPA AS YOU DO THAT.
PLEASE REMEMBER HISTORIC BELMONT HEIGHTS.
I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THIS, I KNOW THAT IT'S BLACK HISTORY
MONTH, AND IT IS A LOT OF GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENTS HAPPENING IN
THE CITY BY BLACK INDIVIDUALS AS MYSELF.
SO AS I STAND HERE, I WAS REFLECTING BACK ON LAST WEEK, AND
I CAN ONLY SAY THIS, WE HAVE NO -- WE COME DOWN HERE, NOT
THAT WE WANT TO SHOW UP.
WE COME DOWN HERE BECAUSE WE ARE VERY SERIOUS ABOUT THE
PLIGHT OF THE BLACK COMMUNITY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I DON'T HAVE A BLACK CARD.
I DON'T NEED ONE BECAUSE THE COLOR OF MY SKIN SPEAKS FOR ME,
BUT WE HAVE NO PLACE I DON'T THINK UP THERE TO BE MAKING
JOKES WHEN IT COMES TO -- THAT CAN BE TAKEN IN A RACIAL

OVERTONE IS WHAT I HEARD.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY DISRESPECTFUL TO THE BLACK FOLKS IN
THIS CITY THAT WORK SO HARD TO MAKE THE CITY OF TAMPA THE
PARADISE THAT WE SAY IT IS.
IF YOU WANT TO MAKE JOKES AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, I
THINK YOU MIGHT WANT TO GO TO THE IMPROV IN YBOR BECAUSE
THEY DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF VENUE, BUT THIS IS NO PLACE FOR
IT HERE.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND HAVE A GREAT MORNING.
9:54:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:54:30AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
STEVE MICHELINI.
HERE REPRESENTING 717 PARKING ON ITEM NUMBER 61 ON YOUR
AGENDA.
WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF AS WELL AS SOME OF YOU
COUNCIL MEMBERS REGARDING THE IMPORTANCE OF COMPLETING THE
SAFETY STUDY BEING CONDUCTED BY THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF E-MAILS SUGGESTING THAT EVERYTHING
IS OUT OF CONTROL IN YBOR CITY REGARDING PARKING LOTS.
THE ISSUES DON'T BEGIN OR END WITH THE PARKING LOTS.
IT'S AN AREA-WIDE PROBLEM.
YOU ALL HAVE BEEN DELIBERATING ON HOW TO ADDRESS THAT.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU NOT TO TAKE ANY ACTION UNTIL THAT
STUDY IS COMPLETED SO THAT WE KNOW EXACTLY HOW TO GET
CONTROL OVER THE SAFETY ISSUES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH YBOR
CITY.
IT'S NOT THE PROBLEM OF PARKING LOTS; IT IS AN AREA PROBLEM.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT USING VARIOUS FUNDS TO TRY TO ASSIST WITH
SAFETY AND ACTION PROGRAMS, BUT NONE OF THAT CAN HAPPEN
UNTIL YOU HAVE THE POLICE REPORT FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND EVERYONE HAS HAD A CHANCE TO ANALYZE THAT AND FIGURE OUT
WHAT THE BEST DIRECTION IS TO GO IN.
IT IS A COMPLICATED AND MULTIFACETED ISSUE.
THE STAFF HAS ALREADY TOLD YOU THAT THE PARKING LOTS THERE
ARE EITHER IN COMPLIANCE OR IN THE PROCESS OF BECOMING IN
COMPLIANCE.
AND IT WOULD BE PREMATURE TO TAKE ANY ACTION AT THIS POINT
UNTIL THOSE STUDIES ARE COMPLETED AND WE HAVE A CHANCE TO
LOOK AT IT TO SEE HOW BEST TO MOVE FORWARD.
I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:55:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
BISHOP PATTY, ARE YOU NEXT?
NO?
ALL RIGHT.
YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.

9:56:15AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I'M BISHOP MICHELLE B. PATTY, ALSO THE HOST OF WHAT'S REALLY
HAPPENING.
ON LAST THURSDAY, ONE OF THE COUNCILMEN SAID THAT HE WAS
GOING TO PLAY HIS GAY CARD DURING A PRESENTATION OF SOME
SIGNS.
THEN HE TURNED TO THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COUNCILWOMAN AND
SAID, OH, DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM, I'M KILLING YOU, YOU'VE
BEEN USING YOUR BLACK CARD.
THEN HE TOOK THE INITIATIVE TO CALL WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING
ON THIS PAST SATURDAY TO SAY THAT IT WAS A JOKE.
WELL, THE FOLKS HERE, WE CAME TO TELL YOU IT WAS NO LAUGHING
MATTER.
IT WAS RACIST.
YOUR SEXUALITY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOVERNMENT,
REPRESENTING THE GOVERNMENT.
WE DO NOT APPRECIATE THOSE TYPE OF JOKES.
YOU READ A LITANY OF THINGS THAT WE THE SPEAKERS CAN AND
CANNOT SAY, BUT YOU ALL HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY WHATEVER
YOU WANT TO SAY TO AFRICAN AMERICANS IN THIS CITY.
WE'RE HERE TO SAY IN 2024, YOU WILL RESPECT OUR BLACKNESS.
WE DO NOT APPRECIATE WHAT TOOK PLACE.
WHAT WAS REALLY SAD NO ONE HIT THE GAVEL AND TOLD HIM HE WAS
OUT OF ORDER.
THIS IS THE SAME MAN THAT WHEN HE SAT ON THE CIVIL SERVICE

BOARD AND WE HAD AN AFRICAN AMERICAN POLICE OFFICER FIRED
FROM HIS JOB AND THE ONLY WAY THAT HE REINSTATED HIM WAS TO
TAKE HIS BACK PAY, $40,000 CAME OUT OF THAT MAN'S POCKET,
HURTING HIS CHILDREN WHERE THEY COULD NOT EAT.
SO WE DON'T SEE YOU AS A JOKESTER.
WE SEE YOU AS A RACIST COUNCILMAN WHO IS SITTING UP THERE IN
THIS SEAT SUPPOSEDLY REPRESENTING THE WHOLE CITY.
SO WHAT WE CAME, MR. ALAN CLENDENIN, IS TO ASK YOU TO GIVE
US -- NOT ASK, BUT DEMAND AN APOLOGY.
AND, YES, I HEARD WHAT YOU SAID.
YOU CAN'T CALL, BUT I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO GET CONFUSED THAT
THE OTHER COUNCILMAN SAID IT.
SO IT WAS WARRANTED THAT WE CALL HIS NAME BECAUSE NOBODY
ELSE SHOULD BE CONFUSED AND PEOPLE WONDERING WHO SAID IT.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THINGS IN ORDER, YOU WANT TO HAMMER
THE GAVEL, THEN YOU PUT HIM IN CHECK AND TELL HIM THAT THIS
WOULD NOT BE TOLERATED BY A CITY COUNCILMAN WHO IS TAKING
OUR TAX DOLLARS AND THEN BEING DISRESPECTFUL TO THE BLACK
COMMUNITY.
AS YOU LOOK AROUND, WE HAVE CLERGY.
THESE ARE SUPERVOTERS WHO ARE STANDING TALL LETTING YOU KNOW
THAT WE DO NOT FIND THOSE TYPE OF COMMENTS COMICAL BECAUSE
WE AS AFRICAN AMERICANS, WE GOING THROUGH A LOT, FROM
SLAVERY UP UNTIL NOW.
AND WE STILL NOT BEING RESPECTED.

SO WE CAME DOWN HERE TODAY TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE WILL NOT
TOLERATE THIS, NOT JUST FROM HIM BUT FROM ANY COUNCIL
PERSON.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS IN THE CODE OF ETHICS, BUT IT SHOULD
BE, WHEN COUNCILMAN ORLANDO GUDES MADE HIS JEWISH REMARK,
SWIFTLY HE HAD TO APOLOGIZE.
SWIFTLY HE HAD TO GIVE AN ACCOUNT OF HIMSELF.
SO WE WANT SWIFT ACTION TODAY.
9:59:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:59:21AM >> YEAH, HE NEEDS TO APOLOGIZE TO YOU ALL, TOO.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
9:59:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. SHELBY.
9:59:28AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
EXCUSE ME, I'M SORRY.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
9:59:31AM >> WE HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER.
WE HAVE PASTOR --
9:59:35AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU CAN, FORGIVE ME, BUT IF PEOPLE DO
WISH TO SPEAK, IF YOU COULD PLEASE COME UP ONE AT A TIME AND
STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO THREE MINUTES.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE IT, IF YOU DON'T WANT THE ENTIRE THREE
MINUTES, BUT YOU'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.
I ASK THAT YOU COME UP AND SPEAK NOT AT THE SAME TIME BUT IN
ORDER AND STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

9:59:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, SIR.
10:00:01AM >> PASTOR TIMOTHY J. KEMP OF PEACE PROGRESSIVE COMMUNITY
CHURCH.
IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE TO HEAR WHAT IS BEING TRANSPIRED ON
EVERY ISSUE, BUT NOTHING IN LIFE TO ME IS A LAUGHING MATTER.
AND TO INSULT ANY ONE OF MY SISTERS, IT'S LIKE YOU'RE
INSULTING MY MOTHER AND EVERY ONE OF MY SISTERS.
I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER YOUR MORAL FIBER, IF YOU
HAVE ANY, AND YOU NEED TO GET UP RIGHT NOW AND APOLOGIZE TO
MS. HENDERSON.
BECAUSE WHATEVER HAPPENED IN POST-SLAVERY, IT'S A NEW DAY
AND TIME.
AND I HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT SOMETHING COMING TO LITIGATION,
I THINK THE ONLY TIME A PERSON WOULD REALLY GET A REALITY
CHECK IS WHEN THEY WRITE A BILLION DOLLAR CHECK.
A LOT OF TIMES YOU ARE VIOLATING A PERSON'S CIVIL RIGHTS AND
HUMAN RIGHTS BECAUSE THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES
DOESN'T APPLY TO ONE; IT APPLIES TO ALL.
REGARDLESS OF YOUR PREFERENCE OR YOUR CHOICE, THAT'S YOUR
BUSINESS.
AIN'T GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH ME.
AS FAR AS MS. HENDERSON IS CONCERNED, SHE IS THE
REPRESENTATIVE OF MY DISTRICT, AND I AM AWARE OF THE FACT
THAT SHE JUST RECENTLY LOST HER MOTHER.
THERE SHOULD BE SOME TYPE OF PROFESSIONAL DECORUM AND

SENSITIVITY TO THE MUTUAL RESPECT OF YOUR COLLEAGUES AND FOR
ALL OF US WHO ARE COMMUNITY ACTIVISTS AND CITIZENS OF THE
CITY OF TAMPA, WE PAY -- WE MADE THE VOTE AND WE'RE HERE TO
SAY COLLECTIVELY DO WHAT'S RIGHT JUST BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT.
I'M HERE TO SAY PERSONALLY, I'M A GROWN MAN AND I DON'T
TOLERATE DISRESPECT FROM NOBODY, IN COUNCIL OR OUT OF
COUNCIL.
IT WOULD PROBABLY BE WISE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER WHAT YOU SAID,
WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO BECAUSE YOU CAN'T JUDGE A BOOK BY THE
COVER.
AND WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW IS WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO BECAUSE
THERE'S MORE TO ME THAN THE EYES CAN SEE.
THAT'S NOT JUST ME, THAT'S EVERY ONE OF US STANDING HERE.
SISTER HENDERSON, GOD BLESS YOU.
KEEP YOUR FOCUS, MAINTAIN YOUR POISE, AND CONTINUE TO DO A
TREMENDOUS JOB FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU.
10:02:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:02:33AM >> REVEREND CHARLES COFFEY, SENIOR, TRUTH OF THE WORLD
MINISTRIES.
TO THE COUNCIL HERE, I THINK AN APOLOGY SHOULD BE GIVEN.
WE'RE TRYING TO GO FORWARD.
AMERICA IS HEADED FOR CIVIL WAR LIKE IT WAS HUNDRED, TWO
HUNDRED YEARS AGO.

WE DON'T NEED THAT ANYMORE.
I'M NOT CALLING NAMES.
WE SHOULD BE ABOVE THAT.
68 YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THIS PLANET, BORN IN PLANT CITY,
FLORIDA, SOUTH FLORIDA BAPTIST HOSPITAL.
WE SHOULD BE ABOVE.
YOU ALL ARE SMART PEOPLE.
AND THERE ARE SOME SMART PEOPLE GOT THIS IN A MESS.
I AIN'T TALKING REPUBLICAN, DEMOCRAT.
I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THAT FOOLISHNESS.
SURE AIN'T GOT BLACK FOLK NOWHERE.
WE ARE IN THE SAME CONDITION.
WE'RE TIRED NOW.
OUR BACKS ARE AGAINST THE WALL.
WE AIN'T GOT NOWHERE TO GO.
WE AIN'T GOT NOWHERE TO GO AND AIN'T RUNNING.
THAT'S RIGHT.
WE MAY HAVE TO DIE AND SPILL OUR BLOOD IN THESE STREETS BUT
WE AIN'T GOING NOWHERE.
PLEASE APOLOGIZE.
LET'S GET THIS THING OVER AND WE CAN START AGAIN.
IF JESUS WALKED THROUGH THAT DOOR, HE WOULD DO THE SAME
THING.
HE WOULD GET US TO START AGAIN.
THIS IS NOT A JOKE.

WE PLAYING WITH DYNAMITE NOW.
WE GOT SOME SUFFERING BLACK FOLKS OUT THERE AND I'M SURE
SUFFERING WHITE FOLKS, JEWISH FOLKS, MEXICAN FOLKS AND ALL.
THAT'S RIGHT.
I'M TALKING BLACK PEOPLE TODAY BECAUSE I'M BLACK.
THIS SHOULD NOT GO ON FROM A COUNCIL MEMBER ON THIS BOARD OR
WHEREVER.
THIS SHOULD NOT GO ON.
I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING, THERE IS A GUARD OF ABRAHAM THAT'S
LOOKING DOWN UPON THIS COUNCIL.
DO WHAT IS RIGHT.
I'M NOT LOOKING FOR JUSTICE FOR YOU, BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAY
GOD IS THE ONLY MAN THAT CAN GIVE JUSTICE.
I AIN'T LOOKING FOR NO JUSTICE FOR MAN NO MORE.
IF HE AIN'T DONE IT IN 400 YEARS, HE AIN'T GOING TO DO IT.
BUT I'M LOOKING FOR YOU ALL THAT'S GOT SOME GOD IN YOU.
I SOME OF YOU GO TO FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH.
THE PRIEST TALK ABOUT THE SAME GOD TALK ABOUT.
YOU OUGHT TO TELL HIM TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT.
10:04:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
10:04:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT ALL YOU ALL
CAME DOWN TODAY.
ONE, I WANT TO SAY THAT I HOPE YOU GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE
RECORDING OF THE MEETING, THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE NOT DONE IT
YET.

WHAT I ACTUAL SAID AND THE LIGHT IN HOW IT WAS SAID.
I'LL START OFF BY SAYING, MR. COFFEY, I'LL GIVE YOU YOUR
APOLOGY.
ANYTHING THAT I SAY REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT IS, IT IS NEVER MY
INTENTION ON ANY DAY, AFTERNOON, OR NIGHT TO MAKE ANYBODY'S
LIFE ANY MORE DIFFICULT THAN IT ALREADY IS.
WE LIVE IN A VERY DIFFICULT WORLD.
I KNOW THE FOLKS IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY HAVE HAD MORE
HARDSHIP AND HAVE HAD TO OVERCOME MORE OBSTACLES THAN ANY
HUMAN BEING SHOULD HAVE TO OVERCOME.
I NEVER WANT TO MAKE ANYBODY'S LIFE MORE DIFFICULT THAN IT
ALREADY IS.
I TRY TO LIVE MY LIFE BY AN EXAMPLE.
WHEN I APPROACH SOMEONE, A CASHIER AT PUBLIX OR ANYBODY THAT
I DEAL WITH, GENERALLY I TRY TO APPROACH IT THAT I DON'T
KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DEALING WITH IN THEIR LIFE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY LOST A LOVED ONE IN THEIR LIFE AS
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON RECENTLY DID.
I DO NOT WANT TO BE THE PERSON THAT MAKES THEIR LIFE ANY
MORE DIFFICULT THAN WHAT IT ALREADY IS.
WHAT I AM, I AM KIND OF WHO I AM.
I AM KIND OF A JOKESTER.
I TRY TO KEEP LEVITY TO THINGS.
A LOT OF TIMES IF YOU WATCH CITY COUNCIL, SOMETIMES THE
SPARKS FLY UP HERE AND THE TENSIONS GET GREAT.

I STARTED MY CAREER AS A JUNGLE CRUISE SKIPPER AT DISNEY
WORLD.
I STARTED OFF AS A TEENAGER KIND OF AS A JOKESTER.
EVERY ANGLE OF MY LIFE I TRY TO KEEP LEVITY.
EVERYTHING I DO, I TRY TO KEEP LEVITY IN LIFE.
MAYBE WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU RUN THE RISK OF
OFFENDING PEOPLE.
FOR THAT, I TRULY APOLOGIZE BECAUSE THAT IS NOT MY
INTENTION.
MY INTENTION IS NEVER TO HURT SOMEONE'S FEELINGS.
IT'S NEVER TO MAKE SOMEONE'S LIFE MORE DIFFICULT.
WILL I MAKE MORE MISTAKES?
YOU KNOW WHAT?
THOSE OF YOU CHILDREN OF GOD, GO TO CHURCH OR PREACH AT A
CHURCH, YOU KNOW WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES.
NONE OF US ARE PERFECT.
I WILL MAKE MORE MISTAKES.
I GUARANTEE YOU BECAUSE THE SUN WILL COME UP AND THE SUN
WILL RISE AND SURELY ENOUGH I WILL MAKE ANOTHER MISTAKE
WHERE I WILL PROBABLY HURT SOMEBODY ELSE'S FEELINGS AND I
WILL BE WILLING TO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT IN THE FUTURE.
BUT IT IS NOT MY INTENTION.
I BELIEVE COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON AND I ARE GOOD FRIENDS.
WE HAVE A JOVIAL RELATIONSHIP.
WE KID EACH OTHER BACK AND FORTH ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS.

WE JOKE ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, BECAUSE WE
TALKED ABOUT IT SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, I THINK SHE'S OKAY WITH
THAT.
BUT THAT'S BECAUSE HER AND I KNOW EACH OTHER.
I KNOW YOU ALL DON'T KNOW ME.
ANYWAY, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHOSE FEELINGS WERE HURT, I
APOLOGIZE.
I APPRECIATE YOU COMING DOWN HERE TODAY AND I HOPE YOU HAVE
A BEAUTIFUL DAY.
10:07:48AM >> MY NAME IS PASTOR TOM JONES, SENIOR PASTOR AT HEAVEN
DESTINY CHURCH.
I SIMPLY WILL READ A STATEMENT THAT WAS DRAFTED BY THE
MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH CONCERNING THIS ISSUE.
I THINK WE ALL CAN ADMIT THAT THERE ARE SOME SERIOUS
PROBLEMS IN THIS CITY THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AND SOLVED.
THIS IS NO TIME TO BE MAKING JOKES OF ANY KIND DURING A
BUSINESS MEETING.
I AS A MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY WAS OFFENDED BY THE COMMENTS
THAT WERE MADE BY A COUNCIL MEMBER CONCERNING SEXUAL
PREFERENCE AND RACE WHEN MAKING A DECISION ABOUT THE
COMMUNITY.
I HOPE YOU WILL SHOW YOUR TRUE COLORS AND CHARACTER BY
GIVING THIS COMMUNITY AN APOLOGY FOR USING CITY TIME TO TELL
JOKES.

THERE ARE SERIOUS TIMES IN THIS CITY THAT DESERVE SERIOUS
MEN AND WOMEN TO GET THE JOB DONE.
YOUR COMMENTS ON THIS ISSUE WAS NOT ONLY A BAD JOKE, IT WAS
A JOKE WHERE NO ONE IS LAUGHING.
SO MY COMMENT TO YOU IS, NO ONE IS LAUGHING, AND WE ARE BUSY
TRYING TO FIND AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND DECENT JOBS.
10:09:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
WE HAD A COUPLE OF REGISTERED SPEAKERS THAT WERE NOT ABLE TO
LOG IN, BUT THEY HAVE LOGGED IN.
I BELIEVE THERE ARE THREE, IS THAT CORRECT?
SEVEN ARE LOGGED IN.
IS IT CHRIS CURRY WHO WE BEGIN WITH?
BEFORE WE BEGIN, YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:09:50AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
10:09:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
ALL RIGHT.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
ENOUGH!
ENOUGH!
MA'AM.
YOU ARE BOTH OUT OF ORDER.
STOP.
STOP OR YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER AND YOU ARE OUT.
EVERYBODY WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK.

YES, MA'AM.
ALL RIGHT.
ENOUGH.
MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:10:17AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:10:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GOOD MORNING, MA'AM.
10:10:20AM >> MY NAME IS SHERNA BLAIR RICH.
I AM A RESIDENT OF TAMPA FLORIDA, NATIVE, A FLORIDIAN, WHERE
MOST PEOPLE TODAY IN TAMPA ARE TRANSPLANTS.
BASICALLY I JUST CAME UP HERE TODAY TO ADDRESS
MR. CLENDENIN.
ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT YOU JUST PROVIDED HERE TODAY IN
YOUR LENGTHY ESPOUSAL IS INFURIATING.
IT IS TRULY INFURIATING TO THE POINT WHERE MOST OF US IN
HERE TODAY DO ASCRIBE TO A PARTICULAR GOD THAT WE SERVE.
MOST OF US HAVE SOMETHING INSIDE OF US THAT PERHAPS YOU DO
NOT, TO SAY THAT I AM A MAN AND THAT THERE WILL BE OTHER
MISTAKES THAT I WILL MAKE, CHECK YOURSELF, SIR.
CHECK WHAT'S INSIDE OF YOU.
CHECK WHAT'S INSIDE OF YOUR HEART.
BECAUSE EVERYONE THAT CAME UP HERE TODAY, THIS IS NOT
SOMETHING THAT I DO.
I'M A WRITER FOR ONE OF THE BIGGEST NEWSPAPERS IN THIS
STATE, THE FLORIDA SENTINEL BULLETIN.
MY POWER IS MY.

SIR, PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT YOU HAVE STEPPED ON THE WRONG
TOES TODAY.
WE HAVE THE CLIP, AND IF YOU WANT US TO GO BACK, I CAN QUOTE
EVERY WORD, SIR.
YOU OWE COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON AN APOLOGY, FOR THE RECORD,
SIR.
DO THE RIGHT THING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:12:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:12:17AM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
GOOD MORNING.
FOR THE RECORD, SCHOOLTEACHER FOR 16 YEARS.
WHEN YOU HAVE A LARGE BUNCH OF PEOPLE TOGETHER LIKE THAT,
WHEN YOU TEACH MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOL, IT'S A HERD.
IT'S BEEN A HERD -- IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH COLOR OF SKIN.
IT HAS TO DO WITH A LARGE BUNCH OF PEOPLE BEING TOGETHER AS
OPPOSED TO BEING IN A SINGLE FILE LINE WHICH IS WHERE
EVERYBODY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE.
NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN.
EXCUSE ME, YOU CAN COME UP AND GET IN LINE NEXT.
NOW, IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYBODY'S COLOR OF THEIR
SKIN.
I MADE A STATEMENT BECAUSE THERE WAS CONFUSION.
10:12:56AM >> A GROUP.

NOT A HERD.
10:13:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SHOULD WE TAKE A RECESS, MR. SHELBY?
10:13:04AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHAT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE AT THIS TIME?
10:13:07AM >> I'D LIKE TO HAVE MY TIME TO SPEAK.
10:13:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ THE RULES AGAIN?
10:13:15AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DOES ANYBODY FEEL THE NEED FOR THAT?
10:13:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I DON'T FEEL THE NEED FOR THAT.
YOU HAVE YOUR THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
IF WE COULD PLEASE HAVE SILENCE IN THE CROWD, EVERYBODY WILL
HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
10:13:24AM >> THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE IT.
GOOD MORNING.
I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE INCREASE IN PAY FOR CITY COUNCIL.
I'D LIKE TO START, I HANDED YOU GUYS A COPY OF THE CHARTER.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, THE LAST TIME THIS CAME UP, HE VOTED
AGAINST IT AND HE SENT A MEMO TO THE BUDGET ADVISORY
COMMITTEE AND SAID I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU DO
NOT -- OR YOU NOT SUPPORT ANY PROPOSED NON-INFLATION
ADJUSTED INCREASE.
THE CURRENT SALARY OF CITY COUNCIL, ACCORDING TO THE BUDGET,
IS $66,000.
SO THAT MEANS YOU QUALIFY FOR THE 60th, 70th, OR 80th
PERCENTILE OF THE AMI FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA ACCORDING TO THE
CURRENT NUMBERS.

NOW, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WENT BACK BECAUSE I TOOK
COUNCILMAN VIERA'S INFORMATION AND SAID, WOW, LET ME SEE
WHAT THIS MEANS, THE CPI.
WELL, WHEN I TAKE THE $40,000 THAT THEY WERE MAKING
ACCORDING TO THE RESOLUTION FROM 2005 AND YOU PUT IT IN THE
CPI CALCULATOR, THE CPI CALCULATOR SAID TO MAKE THE SAME
MONEY THAT CITY COUNCIL MADE IN 2005 THAT YOU MUST MAKE
$63,856.
THE SAME MONEY.
NOW, EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY PERSON IN THIS ROOM KNOWS THAT
THIS CITY HAS GROWN BY 80, 90, 100 THOUSAND PEOPLE.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SHOULD BE MAKING.
YOU ARE MAKING $6,000 A YEAR LESS.
NOW, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO SAY I DON'T WANT THE INCREASE, I
DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT BEFORE THE
LAST ELECTION, AT LEAST ONE OF YOU WENT AROUND AND SAID,
WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT?
IF WE RAISE THE SALARY, MORE PEOPLE RUN AGAINST US.
THAT'S NOT RIGHT EITHER.
BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE ELECTION STATISTICS, FIRST OF
ALL, TWO OF YOU GOT SLAUGHTERED ABOUT THIS IN THE MAILERS,
YOU KNOW WHAT?
THE ELECTION RESULTS SHOWED THE PAY INCREASE DIDN'T MATTER.
ROUND ONE OF THE ELECTIONS, 40, 50 -- NNH.
THIS ONE, THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO VOTED FOR IT.

THIS ONE WAS SOMEBODY WHO VOTED FOR IT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT
MATTERED.
AND YOU CAN ALL GO LOOK AT THIS DATA, TOO.
THIS IS SOMEBODY ELSE WHO VOTED FOR IT.
THE NUMBERS ARE ALL RIGHT THERE TOGETHER.
IT DIDN'T MAKE TWO FLIPS HOW YOU VOTED FOR IT BEFORE.
I WANT A CITY COUNCIL WHO MAKES A DECENT WAGE.
I WANT A CITY COUNCIL THAT INCLUDES PEOPLE WHO CANNOT WORK
TWO JOBS.
I WANT A CITY COUNCIL THAT LOOKS LIKE EVERYBODY IN THIS
ROOM.
I WANT A CITY COUNCIL THAT IS NOT MADE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE
INDEPENDENTLY WEALTHY.
AND UNTIL WE GET THIS TO A LIVING WAGE, IT'S NOT EQUITABLE.
I WANT OUR CITY TO BE REPRESENTED ON THAT COUNCIL, NOT JUST
FOLKS WHO MAKE A LOT OF MONEY AND NOT JUST FOLKS WHO TAKE
MONEY FROM DEVELOPERS.
I WANT EVERYBODY TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR COUNCIL.
AND IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU.
IT'S ABOUT THE SEAT YOU SIT IN.
10:16:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
MS. LOCKETT, YES, MA'AM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:16:45AM >> ROBIN LOCKETT.
I AM VERY TROUBLED WITH ME SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE, VERY

TROUBLED.
YOU KNOW, THE SEAT THAT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, WHEN YOU'RE
REPRESENTING SO MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE, YOU CANNOT LOOK AT
LIFE THROUGH THAT ONE LENS THAT YOU GREW UP WITH, AND THAT
YOU WERE EXPOSED TO.
NOW, IF SOMEBODY SAYS ONE OF THE SPEAKERS IDENTIFIED THIS
GROUP AS A HERD, THAT OFFENDED SOMEBODY.
IT'S TAKING YOURSELF A STEP BACK AND JUST LOOKING AT IT
FIRST AS BEING DEFENSIVE ABOUT IT.
ALAN, SORRY, BUT YOU, YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY JUST TO
APOLOGIZE BECAUSE IT OFFENDED ALL THESE PEOPLE HERE,
REGARDLESS AS TO WHERE YOU COME FROM, HOW YOU ARE, PEOPLE
DON'T WANT TO KNOW THAT.
THEY JUST WANT TO HEAR YOU GIVE A SINCERE APOLOGY BECAUSE OF
HOW THEY FELT WHEN THEY SAW THAT VIDEO OF.
THEIR PERCEPTION WAS THEIR REALITY, EVEN THOUGH YOUR
INTERACTION WITH THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER WAS SOMETHING
ELSE.
SO WHEN YOU'RE SITTING IN THESE SEATS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE
ABILITY TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND TRY TO GET A GLEAN FROM
SOMEBODY ELSE'S LENS.
THIS IS VERY TROUBLING FOR ME.
IT REALLY WAS.
AND JUST INTERACTION, AND IN LIFE, I'M NOT WHITE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW IT IS TO BE WHITE.

I'M A PROUD BLACK WOMAN.
BUT WHENEVER WE STAND UP FOR OURSELVES, THEN PEOPLE GET
DEFENSIVE.
WHENEVER WE SPEAK LOUDLY, I GET PASSIONATE, PEOPLE GET
OFFENSIVE.
AND WE ALWAYS HAVE -- ME AS A WOMAN ALWAYS HAVE TO DEFEND
MYSELF, RIGHT?
I USED TO HAVE TO DEFEND MYSELF, BUT THIS IS VERY TROUBLING
FOR ME.
JUST THE INTERACTION AND JUST THE RESPONSE.
WHAT YOU AND THE COUNCILWOMAN HAS BEHIND CLOSED DOORS IN
REGARDS TO YOUR CONVERSATION, YOUR RELATIONSHIP AND SO
FORTH, IT WASN'T WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT.
THE COMMUNITY CAME OUT.
THEY WERE UPSET ABOUT IT, AND THEY JUST WANTED AN APOLOGY.
THAT'S IT.
AND NOT PREPARING THEM FOR SOMETHING ELSE TO HAPPEN.
ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS AHEAD OF TIME.
THIS IS A MISSED OPPORTUNITY FOR JUST A SINCERE APOLOGY.
JUST FOR THE COMMUNITY, WHEN BLACK PEOPLE TELL YOU THEY ARE
OFFENDED BY SOMETHING, JUST TAKE IT IN AND MOVE FROM IT
BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR LENS AND THAT'S THEIR EXPERIENCE.
THANK YOU.
10:19:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, MA'AM.

[ APPLAUSE ]
YES, SIR, MR. DANIELS.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:19:43AM >> MENTESNOT.
10:19:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OH.
YES, SIR, GO AHEAD.
10:19:56AM >> MENTESNOT.
UHURU.
UHURU MEANS FREEDOM IN SWAHILI.
WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE SHOULD ALWAYS BE THINKING ABOUT OUR
FREEDOM.
IT'S NEWS CIRCULATING NOW IN REFERENCE TO A SETTLEMENT
AGREEMENT FOR SOMEONE WHO WAS WRONGLY INCARCERATED.
BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, THAT'S REAL HONORABLE.
SETTLEMENT IS HONORABLE.
THE SITUATION IS HONORABLE.
AND THE EXPERIENCE PROBABLY WAS A VERY UNPLEASANT ONE.
BUT CAN YOU IMAGINE SINCE 1400, AFRICAN PEOPLE HAVE BEEN
EXPERIENCING CONDITIONS WAY MORE TREACHEROUS THAN THAT.
AND RIGHT HERE IN THIS CITY, THEY SAY THEY HAVE A SITUATION
BY WHICH THEY ARE GOING TO AT LEAST RECOGNIZE, RECOGNIZE THE
WRONGDOINGS OF THIS CITY IN REFERENCE TO AFRICAN PEOPLE, THE
HISTORICAL WRONGDOINGS.
AND WE CAN'T GET ANY TRACTION ON IT.
WE NEED TRACTION ON REPARATIONS.

WE REALLY DO.
YOU CAN'T KEEP BAMBOOZLING AFRICAN PEOPLE.
CAN'T KEEP INSULTING US, INSULTING OUR INTELLIGENCE AS IF WE
NEVER, EVER GOING TO BE EQUAL.
AS IF WE ARE NEVER GOING TO GET ANY KIND OF EQUITY.
AS IF WE ARE NEVER GOING TO SEE -- WE HAVE TO PASS ON OUR
SUFFERING TO THE NEXT GENERATION AND THEY HAVE TO PASS IT ON
TO THEIR NEXT GENERATION.
AFRICAN PEOPLE REFUSE TO LIVE UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES.
WE CANNOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES SAY WE'VE HAD FROM PERRY
HARVEY, GWENDOLYN MILLER, REVEREND SCOTT, DIFFERENT
INDIVIDUALS SEATED, ALLEGEDLY REPRESENTING THE AFRICAN
COMMUNITY OR DISTRICT 5, WHATSOEVER THEY ARE DOING WITH IT
NOW.
AND NONE OF THOSE REPRESENTATIVES HAVE NEVER DONE A SINGLE
THING, NOTHING FOR THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY.
NOTHING.
THE ONLY THING WE'VE SEEN DONE FOR THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY
WITH AN ATTEMPT IS WITH SISTER CONNIE BURTON AND HER TRYING
TO PUT FORTH WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT CRA.
OTHER THAN THAT, NOTHING.
EMPTY PROMISES.
IT'S TIME FOR THAT TO CHANGE.
AFRICAN PEOPLE WE DON'T WANT TO LIVE BY THAT STANDARD
ANYMORE.

AND IN THESE TIMES, YOU HAVE TO ALSO SAY LONG LIVE
PALESTINE.
10:22:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
IF THERE'S NO ONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK,
I'LL GO BACK TO THE REGISTERED SPEAKERS THAT HAD TROUBLE
LOGGING IN, BUT THEY ARE ON.
WE'LL BEGIN WITH MR. CHRIS CURRY.
IS HE ON?
MR. CURRY, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND STATE YOUR NAME.
10:23:17AM >> HELLO.
CHRIS CURRY.
10:23:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GOOD MORNING, SIR.
GO AHEAD.
10:23:22AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY.
I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS ITEM 61.
MY THOUGHTS ARE THAT THERE ARE MANY PARKING LOTS THAT ARE
NOT CORRECTLY COMPLIANT AND FOLLOWING CITY CODE IN YBOR
CITY.
THE CODE IS NOT ADEQUATELY BEING ENFORCED.
COUNCIL, I'M ASKING YOU TODAY TO CONSIDER DIRECTING
RESOURCES AND THE CITY TO ADEQUATELY ENFORCE THE PARKING
CODE IN YBOR.
THE CITY HAS MANY LOTS AND PARKING GARAGES THAT OPERATE AND
DO A GREAT JOB AND THIS SHOULD BE THE STANDARD BY WHICH ALL

OTHER PARKING IN YBOR CITY SHOULD BE JUDGED BY.
ADDITIONALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU TO ASK THE LEGAL
DEPARTMENT FOR A LIST OF ENFORCEMENT OPTIONS THAT ARE
AVAILABLE TO PREVENT THESE NONCOMPLIANT LOTS FROM CONTINUING
TO OPERATE.
RED TAGS, STOP WORK ORDERS, CODE ENFORCEMENT FINES, ORDERS
OF ABATEMENT, ET CETERA, ARE THINGS THAT IMMEDIATELY COME TO
MIND.
I'M NOT PERSONALLY ALLOWED TO BULLDOZE MY HISTORIC HOUSE IN
YBOR CITY OR TO CUT DOWN GRAND OAK TREES OR TAKE OVER
ALLEYWAYS.
I WOULD BE FINED AND ALL THOSE THINGS WOULD BE LEVIED ON ME.
I'M ASKING THAT YOU LOOK AT THE SAME OPTIONS FOR THE PARKING
OPERATORS THAT ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE AS WELL.
THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING ISSUE FOR ABOUT 20 PLUS YEARS, AND
IT'S TIME TO START TAKING STEPS TO SUNSET THESE AND GET RID
OF THEM IN YBOR.
I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO ASK THAT YOU GUYS CONDUCT AN ECONOMIC
IMPACT STUDY OF ALL SERVICE PARKING LOTS IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
RECENT ARTICLE SAID ABOUT 30% OF THE LAND DOWNTOWN IS
SURFACE PARKING LOTS.
I BELIEVE THESE LOTS ARE DETRIMENTAL TO THE GOALS AND GROWTH
AND PLANS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THEY ARE COSTLY TO THE CITY IN THE SENSE THAT THEY PAY A

FRACTION OF THE TAXES THAT DEVELOPED LAND DOES.
THEY COMPETE WITH CITY PARKING LOTS.
ONE OF THE FEW REVENUE SOURCES FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA IS
PARKING IN ADDITION TO PROPERTY TAXES.
I BELIEVE THEY ARE ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR ADDITIONALLY --
DISPROPORTIONATELY HIGH SOURCE OF CRIME AND DRAIN ON POLICE
RESOURCES.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU, COUNCIL, TO ASK YOURSELVES
HONESTLY HOW PRIVATELY OWNED SURFACE PARKING LOTS PROMOTE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOW THEY PROMOTE COMMERCIAL AND
RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND HOW DO THEY INCREASE URBAN
DENSITY, HOW DO THEY LOWER TAXES OR CRIME OR PEDESTRIAN
FATALITIES OR IMPROVE LIFE IN ANY WAY FOR THE RESIDENTS OF
TAMPA OTHER THAN THE OWNERS OF THESE PARKING LOTS.
THE CITY OF TAMPA IS MORE THAN CAPABLE OF BUILDING AND
OPERATING PARKING LOTS AND GARAGES IN THE CITY, AND I
BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THIS NOW.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
10:25:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
THE NEXT SPEAKER IS ALIS BEECHY.
MR. RANDOLPH, IF YOU WOULD UNMUTE YOURSELF.
GOOD MORNING, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
10:26:20AM >> HELLO.

10:26:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GOOD MORNING, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:26:23AM >> I'M SORRY.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
I'M WITH THE WEST TAMPA COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
QUICK FOLLOW-UP.
THOMPSON WAS THE LADY WE TALKED ABOUT DURING THE CRA
MEETING, HER ROOF HAVING A PROBLEM.
SHE HAS GOTTEN $5,000.
PAYMENT, APPLICATION IF THEY DON'T PASS THE APPLICATION --
SHORT.
WE'RE HOPING THAT SOMEONE CAN CALL FEMA AND HELP HER OUT.
TODAY I WANT TO TALK ABOUT AN ARTICLE -- THIS IS FROM THE
BRADY FOUNDATION.
IT'S CALLED DISPROPORTIONATE IMPACT OF GUN VIOLENCE ON BLACK
AMERICA.
DESPITE ACCOUNTING FOR 14% OF THE POPULATION -- PERCENT OF
AFRICAN AMERICANS ARE KILLED THROUGH GUN VIOLENCE.
BLACK PEOPLE BETWEEN THE AGE OF 18 AND 24 ARE 19 TIMES MORE
LIKELY TO BE KILLED BY GUN VIOLENCE.
BLACK MALES UNDER THE AGE OF 18, ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE A
VICTIM OF GUN VIOLENCE.
OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, GET THIS, THAT HAS BEEN A 97.6%
INCREASE IN HOMICIDES AMONG BLACK YOUTH.
92% AMONG BLACK YOUTH BETWEEN THE AGES OF 8 TO 18.

AND 134% RATE AMONG BLACK FEMALES.
THERE IS HOPE, THOUGH.
THEY TALKED ABOUT STUDIES THAT WAS DONE IN NEW YORK,
CHICAGO, PHILLY AND OTHER STATES SO THAT WE CAN REDUCE THE
PROPENSITY TOWARDS MORE VIOLENCE.
THEY MENTIONED PHILLY, CHICAGO, THEY MENTIONED CALIFORNIA,
ALL OF THESE STUDIES SHOW WHAT CAN BE DONE TO CHANGE THE
NARRATIVE WHEN IT COMES TO VIOLENCE.
ON THE 30th OF THIS MONTH, WE'RE GOING TO DO A FOLLOW-UP
WITH WHAT WAS AROUND THE COUNTRY -- WHEN IT COMES TO
SENSELESS KILLING.
AN 11-YEAR-OLD WAS SHOT IN TAMPA.
JUST STANDING ON A STEP.
THIS VIOLENCE HAS GOTTEN OUT OF ORDER AND UNLESS WE USE THE
NEW SCHOOL NEXT GENERATION APPROACH, I'LL BE BACK HERE AGAIN
NEXT YEAR SAYING THE SAME THING.
THANK YOU.
10:28:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
NEXT IS JAMES BORT.
ED AUSTIN.
ALL RIGHT, MR. AUSTIN, GOOD MORNING, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES AND UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:29:15AM >> YES, HELLO.
CAN YOU HEAR ME?

10:29:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.
GO AHEAD.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:29:20AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS ED AUSTIN.
AS A RESIDENT OF YBOR CITY, ONE OF THE FEW HISTORIC LANDMARK
IN FLORIDA, WRITING TO YOU ABOUT PRIVATE PARKING IN YBOR
CITY.
I HAVE THREE POINTS.
NUMBER ONE, THE CURRENT SITUATION, PRIVATE PAID LOTS ARE
EVERYWHERE THROUGHOUT YBOR CITY.
YOU HAVE ALL SEEN THE PHOTOS.
THEY ARE NOT MAINTAINED.
CRIME, TRASH, NOISE, BROKEN FENCES, POOR IF ANY LIGHTING,
ET CETERA.
CODE ENFORCEMENT BY THE CITY IS POOR.
CODE COMPLAINTS ARE RAMPANT.
THIS WOULD NOT BE TOLERATED IN OTHER CITY NEIGHBORHOODS.
LOTS ARE A BLIGHT ON THE CITY AND THEY COMPETE WITH
CITY-OWNED LOTS.
MY SECOND POINT IS, WHY HAS THIS GONE ON FOR SO LONG?
THE CITY HAS TAKEN WELL OVER A YEAR TO DETERMINE APPROPRIATE
STANDARDS.
WHY?
THE CITY-OWNED LOTS CURRENTLY HAVE A STRONG STANDARD THAT

INCLUDES ATTENDANCE, APPROPRIATE LIGHTING, LANDSCAPE,
ET CETERA.
WHY CAN'T THOSE CITY STANDARDS BE APPLIED TO PRIVATELY OWNED
PAID LOTS?
WHY IS CITY STAFF TRYING TO REINVENT THE WHEEL WHEN THE CITY
ALREADY USES APPROPRIATE STANDARDS FOR THEMSELVES?
A CONSISTENT STANDARD COULD BE IMMEDIATELY ENACTED,
UNDERSTOOD BY ALL, OWNERS AND THOSE WHO USE THE LOTS AND
WELCOMED BY YBOR RESIDENTS, WORKERS AND VISITORS.
MY THIRD POINT IS NEEDED NEXT STEPS.
A RECENTLY RELEASED CRA SURVEY INDICATES THAT RESIDENTS AND
WORKERS RATE PARKING LOT LIGHTING AND SAFETY AS A HIGH
PRIORITY.
MAKE THIS YOUR PRIORITY, TOO.
LOTS IN YBOR OR A BLIGHT ON THE NATIONAL HISTORIC LANDMARK
DISTRICT.
PRIVATE LOTS COMPETE WITH THE CITY LOTS THAT ARE RARELY AT
CAPACITY.
MAKE THEM LIVE BY THE SAME STANDARDS AS CITY-OWNED LOTS.
IN CLOSING, A SAFE AND WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOULD BE THE
HIGH PRIORITY FOR THE CITY WITH SOLUTIONS COMING SOONER
RATHER THAN LATER.
PARKING LOTS ARE CLEARLY NOT THE BEST AND HIGHEST USE OF
LAND IN A CITY THAT CONTINUALLY BEMOANS THE LACK OF
AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND A STRAINED BUDGET.

THIS IS NOT COMPLICATED.
SIMPLE, UNDERSTANDABLE SOLUTION IS WAITING FOR ACTION.
PLEASE ADDRESS THIS BLIGHT ON YBOR CITY WITH URGENCY AND
COMMON SENSE NOW.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:31:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS STEPHANIE HARRISON.
STEPHANIE HARRISON, IF YOU ARE ON, MA'AM, PLEASE UNMUTE
YOURSELF.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
STATE YOUR NAME.
10:31:52AM >> THANK YOU.
STEPHANIE HARRISON HERE.
I WILL JUST BACK ON WHAT MY NEIGHBOR ED AUSTIN JUST SPOKE
ABOUT AND KIND OF REMIND, REFRESH, OR MAYBE ENLIGHTEN FOLKS.
I KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN RECENTLY ENLIGHTENED AND REMINDED OF
HOW LONG THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT PARKING LOTS IN YBOR HAS BEEN
GOING ON.
IT'S LITERALLY BEEN DECADES.
WE HAD A NEIGHBOR LAST NIGHT SEND US A BUNCH OF NEWS
ARTICLES AND EVEN A YCDC VISION PLAN FROM THE '90s AND THE
EARLY 2000s THAT POINTED OUT AND POINTED TO PARKING LOTS
BEING AN ISSUE HERE IN YBOR CITY.
SO IT'S NOT NEW.
I THINK, UNFORTUNATELY, AS HUMANS, OUR MEMORIES ARE SHORT.

JUST A REMINDER ABOUT THAT AND THIS ISSUE THAT'S BEEN GOING
ON FOR A LONG TIME.
I ALSO WANTED TO THANK ABBYE FEELEY AND HER TEAM WITH THE
ZONING DEPARTMENT FOR THE PowerPoint SLIDE THAT YOU GUYS
WILL HOPEFULLY SEE A LITTLE BIT LATER.
IT'S CLEAR THAT A LOT OF WORK WENT INTO THAT.
AND I THINK THERE ARE SOME REALLY GOOD POINTS AND SOME GREAT
SUGGESTIONS IN THERE FROM ZONING.
WHAT WE AS RESIDENTS HAVE SEEN TO BE THE WEAK LINK IS REALLY
JUST CODE ENFORCEMENT, LIKE ED TALKED ABOUT.
WE'VE SUBMITTED CODE COMPLAINTS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN
FOR THE SAME HANDFUL OF PROBLEM LOTS ONLY TO SEE THOSE CODE
COMPLAINTS GO OUT THE WINDOW IN WEIRD WAYS AND IT'S ALSO
UNCLEAR HOW SOME OF THE PARKING LOTS ARE OPERATING, GIVEN
THAT THEY NEVER GOT THE REQUIRED APPROVALS TO BEGIN WITH.
I THINK THERE'S REALLY THREE POINTS.
NUMBER ONE IS WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ENFORCE THE CODE
THAT'S ALREADY ON THE BOOKS TODAY.
TO ME, THAT'S AN EASY SLAM-DUNK.
NUMBER TWO IS TO MAKE THE ZONING UPDATES THAT ABBYE AND HER
TEAM ARE SUGGESTING WE MAKE REGARDING SECURITY GUARDS IN THE
PRIVATE LOTS.
NUMBER THREE IS THE FUTURE.
I THINK THAT IT'S TIME THAT WE REMOVE PRINCIPLE USE PARKING
AS AN ALLOWABLE USE IN YBOR CITY.

IT WOULD, AS ED SAID, INCREASE REVENUE TO THE CITY BY A HUGE
-- IN OUR PROPERTY TAXES IN THE DISTRICT AND ALSO PARKING
REVENUE.
AND THEN WE JUST NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THE FUTURE REALLY
HOLDS FOR PARKING GENERALLY.
-- ALL THESE PARKING LOTS OR ANY AMOUNT OF PARKING IS REALLY
GOING TO BE NECESSARY IN THE FUTURE AS PEOPLE MOVE AWAY FROM
EVERYBODY HAVING THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL CARS AND HOPEFULLY
TOWARD PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND SHARED CAR POOL TYPE
THINGS.
THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT FOR TODAY.
THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK ON THIS FOR THE LAST FEW
YEARS AND SOME OF YOU FOR THE LAST FEW DECADES.
10:34:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, MA'AM.
THE NEXT SPEAKER, JAY BORT, IS THAT CORRECT?
HE'S NOT ON.
SO WE HAVE DAVID BAILEY.
MR. BAILEY, IF YOU ARE ON, SIR, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND
STATE YOUR NAME.
10:35:02AM >> HI THERE, CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:35:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.
GO AHEAD.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:35:06AM >> MY NAME IS DAVID BAILEY.

I LIVE IN HISTORIC YBOR.
MY COMMENTS ARE ALSO REGARDING AGENDA ITEM 61.
TO BEGIN WITH, IT'S REALLY HARD NOT TO LAUGH WHEN STEVE
MICHELINI ASKED YOU TO SLOW DOWN.
THE CITY LITERALLY COULD NOT BE GOING ANY SLOWER.
TO IMPLY OR STATE THAT THESE DIRT LOTS ARE IN COMPLIANCE IS
PATENTLY FALSE.
AS OTHERS HAVE MENTIONED, FOR OVER 30 YEARS, THE RESIDENTS
OF YBOR HAVE COME TO YOU PLEADING FOR HELP WITH CRIME,
VISUAL BLIGHT, ECONOMIC BLIGHT WHEN IT COMES TO THESE
PRIVATE PARKING LOTS.
AGAIN, TO REMIND YOU, IN OUR NATIONAL HISTORIC LANDMARK
DISTRICT AND AS STEPHANIE MENTIONED, WE'LL SEND YOU THAT
2005 VISION PLAN WHERE THE CITY WAS GIVEN GUIDANCE ON WHAT
TO DO AND FOR SOME REASON STAFF JUST DID NOT FOLLOW.
BUT IF YOU DON'T EVEN WANT TO LISTEN TO THE RESIDENTS, MAYBE
YOU'LL LISTEN TO YOUR CITY DEPARTMENTS.
SOME OF THE CITY DEPARTMENTS YOU HEARD FROM ARE YOUR PARKING
DEPARTMENT AND HOW THEY MONITOR CITY LOTS AND THAT'S WITH
LICENSED SECURITY GUARDS AND THE CITY FOLLOWS THE ZONING
CODE.
THEY REGULARLY HAVE -- ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT CHRIS
MENTIONED IS THAT WE REGULARLY HAVE HUNDREDS OF UNUSED
PARKING SPACES IN OUR PARKING GARAGES IN YBOR CITY, NOT TO
MENTION PARKING IN SOUTH YBOR THAT GOES UNUTILIZED BECAUSE

THERE ARE THESE SURFACE PARKING LOTS, TAKING REVENUE AWAY
FROM THE CITY.
ANOTHER DEPARTMENT YOU HEARD FROM IS THE TAMPA POLICE
DEPARTMENT THAT PROVIDED STATISTICS ON HOW MUCH HIGHER CRIME
IS IN PRIVATE PARKING LOTS WITHOUT SECURITY GUARDS VERSUS
CITY OF TAMPA LOTS WITH SECURITY GUARDS.
WE ALL KNOW ABOUT THE VIOLENCE THAT'S BEEN REPORTED IN YBOR.
TPD HAS HAD TO ADD ADDITIONAL OFFICERS TO MONITOR THESE LOTS
BECAUSE THEY HAVE KNOWN FOR A LONG TIME THEY ARE THE SOURCE
OF A LOT OF THESE ISSUES WITH ILLEGAL DRINKING AND DRUG USE,
CRIME OFTEN ENDS THERE AND BEGINS THERE.
THERE'S REALLY SERIOUS VIOLENCE THAT HAPPENS.
MY NEIGHBORS AND I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM ONE OF THESE
LOTS.
WHY WOULD YOU SUPPORT POLICIES THAT DILUTE TPD HAVING TO
MONITOR BAD BUSINESS PRACTICES?
AN INTERESTING THING THAT ABBYE FEELEY DID WITH THE ZONING
DEPARTMENT, SHE REACHED OUT TO THE CITY OF ORLANDO TO SEE
WHAT THEY DO, AND NOT SURPRISING, LICENSED SECURITY GUARDS,
CLOSING HOURS.
YOU HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION.
EVERYONE IN YOUR SPHERE OF IMPORTANCE IS TELLING YOU,
HOUSTON, WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
SO WHAT'S IT GOING TO TAKE FOR US TO TAKE A STEP FORWARD?
ONE LAST BIT OF HISTORICAL IRONY.

MANY OF THESE LOTS USED TO BE AFRICAN AMERICAN HOMES THAT
WERE BULLDOZED IN THE '70s AND '80s IN THE NAME OF
PROGRESS AND ECONOMIC BLIGHT.
10:38:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:38:11AM >> NOTHING HAS GOTTEN ANY BETTER.
10:38:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, SIR.
ALL RIGHT.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC COMMENT.
AT THIS TIME, MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN -- SIR, ARE YOU
HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT STANDING AGAINST THE WALL?
10:38:24AM >> NO, SIR.
10:38:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN ALL THE PUBLIC HEARINGS?
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
BEFORE WE GO TO ITEM 43, MS. JOHNS IS HERE.
ABOUT 49 AND 50 TO WITHDRAW AND CONTINUE.
10:38:45AM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
49 AND 50 ARE THE SAME DEVELOPMENT
AGREEMENT.
IF YOU'LL REMEMBER, THIS CAME FOR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING.
THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING WAS CONTINUED DUE TO SOME CHANGES
THAT USF REQUESTED.
THOSE CHANGES WERE SUBSTANTIVE AND THUS RESULTED IN THE NEED

FOR A NEW PUBLIC NOTICE.
SO IT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO FIRST HEARING.
SO THAT MADE A SECOND ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
WE JUST NEED TO WITHDRAW ITEM 49 AND THE CITY AND DEVELOPER
ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE SITE PLAN CHANGES, SO WE NEED
TO CONTINUE ITEM 50.
10:39:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO WITHDRAW 49?
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
ITEM 50, MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE TO MARCH 7, 2024.
I WOULD ASSUME AT 10:30 A.M.
10:39:35AM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
YES.
10:39:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 50.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
10:39:43AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND THE DATE, TIME AND LOCATION.
10:39:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT'S GOING TO BE MARCH 7, 2024 AT
10:30 A.M. -- SORRY, 9:30 A.M. -- NO, SORRY.
I HAVE ALL THESE PAGES IN MY HAND.
10:30 A.M., MARCH 7, 2024, 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD,

TAMPA, FLORIDA, THIRD FLOOR.
10:39:59AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:40:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
UNITED STATES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ITEM NUMBER 43.
FIRST, LET ME SAY, THE CEMETERY SOCIETY IS HERE.
A LOT OF THEIR VERY HARDWORKING VOLUNTEERS.
SAW AILEEN HENDERSON, NOREEN COPELAND MILLER AND HER TEAM.
THEY DO AMAZING WORK.
10:40:21AM >> ELAINE LUND, HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF.
I'M PLEASED TO BE HERE THIS MORNING TO DISCUSS THE MEMORIAL
PARK CEMETERY AND ITS PROPOSED LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARK
DESIGNATION.
WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR YOU THIS MORNING, IF THAT'S
READY.
10:40:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
IT WILL BE RIGHT UP.
IT'S COMING.
NO, WRONG ONE.
WHILE WE WAIT, THEY ARE JUST UPLOADING THE PRESENTATION.
I MENTIONED THE CEMETERY SOCIETY.
THEY ARE OUT THERE TIRELESSLY WORKING.
YOU TELL THE STORY.
IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT CEMETERY.
SO GO AHEAD, MA'AM.

IT'S GOING TO COME UP ON THE SCREEN.
10:41:58AM >>ELAINE LUND:
THE MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY IS LOCATED AT 2425
EAST DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. BOULEVARD.
THIS IS AT THE INTERSECTION OF DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR
BOULEVARD AND 22nd STREET.
IT'S OWNED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA.
AND MAYOR CASTOR SIGNED THE DESIGNATION APPLICATION FOR THE
LANDMARK DESIGNATION ON JUNE 14th OF THIS YEAR.
THE PROPERTIES ARE REVIEWED BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION
COMMISSION OR THE HPC AT A PUBLIC HEARING TO DETERMINE
WHETHER THEY MEET THE CRITERIA FOR LOCAL HISTORIC
DESIGNATION, AND THAT'S FOUND IN SECTION 27-257 OF THE
CITY'S CODE OF ORDINANCES.
LOCAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION PRESERVES LANDMARKS IN DISTRICTS.
PROVIDES FOR REVIEW OF ALTERATIONS OF DESIGNATED PROPERTIES,
SAFEGUARDS THE HERITAGE OF THE CITY AND PROVIDES ECONOMIC
BENEFITS.
MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY WAS ESTABLISHED AROUND 1919.
THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT IS FROM THE SANBORN COMPANY MAPS FROM
1951.
THAT IS THE FIRST TIME THE CEMETERY APPEARS ON ONE OF THESE
HISTORIC MAPS.
IT SHOWS THE CEMETERY AT THE INTERSECTION OF 22nd STREET
AND WHAT WAS THEN CALLED BUFFALO AVENUE.
AND THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT IS THE MODERN DAY AERIAL

PHOTOGRAPH OF THE SAME AREA.
MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY IS A 20-ACRE CEMETERY.
RECTANGULAR PLAN DIVIDED INTO QUADRANTS AND LANDSCAPED WITH
A VARIETY OF VEGETATION, INCLUDING OAK TREES AND --
WHEN MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY OPENED IN 1919, ITS EARLIEST
BURIALS INCLUDED THOSE OF BLACK AMERICAN SOLDIERS WHO HAD
DIED IN FRANCE DURING THE GREAT WAR.
WITH THE 1917 SELECTIVE SERVICE ACT, ABOUT 42,000 FLORIDIANS
JOINED THE ARMED SERVICES FOR THE GREAT WAR.
BLACK AMERICAN SOLDIERS WERE PLACED IN SEGREGATED REGIMENTS
AND MADE UP ABOUT 36% OF THE ARMY ENLISTEES FROM FLORIDA.
AT THAT TIME, TAMPA AND HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY LACKED A
GUARANTEED FINAL RESTING PLACE FOR ALL VETERANS.
IN 1921, THE WOMEN'S AUXILIARY OF THE AMERICAN LEGION
DONATED THREE ACRES ON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY, NOW KENNEDY
BOULEVARD, TO THE AMERICAN LEGION POST FIVE FOR A VETERANS
CEMETERY.
HOWEVER, THIS WAS NOT OPENED TO THE BLACK AMERICAN SOLDIERS
BEING IN CITY LIMITS.
IN 1923, THE WOMEN'S AUXILIARY AND THE TAMPA CHAPTER OF THE
AMERICAN RED CROSS PURCHASED A PORTION OF THE MEMORIAL PARK
CEMETERY TO BE DEDICATED TO BLACK VETERANS.
THE FULL MILITARY FUNERALS INCLUDED PARADES OF VETERANS, RED
CROSS NURSES, BANDS AND FIRING SQUADS.
THE CEMETERY INCLUDES AT LEAST ONE VETERAN OF THE AMERICAN

CIVIL WAR AND MOST OF OUR 20th CENTURY WARS.
THE CEMETERY INCLUDES BURIALS THAT HAVE BEEN RELOCATED FROM
OTHER CEMETERIES SUCH AS ZION CEMETERY, TO THIS SITE.
SOME OF THE GRAVES ARE FROM AS EARLY AS 1906.
THIS INCLUDES BURIALS -- THE CEMETERY INCLUDES BURIALS OF
THOSE WHO PLAYED SIGNIFICANT AND DIVERSE ROLES IN THE
HISTORY OF THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING THE GRAVE OF CHRISTINE
MEACHAM WHO WAS AN EDUCATOR AND PRINCIPAL AT TAMPA'S HARLEM
ACADEMY.
DR. WILLIAMS, WHO WAS THE FIRST BLACK AMERICAN DOCTOR TO
PERFORM SURGERY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
AND THOSE THAT REPRESENT THE EVERYDAY LIFE IN TAMPA, SUCH AS
LAUNDRESSES, CIGAR MAKERS, STEVEDORES, NURSES, DOCTORS,
MINISTERS.
MANY OF THE DECORATIVE ELEMENTS ON THE GRAVE MARKERS ARE
RELIGIOUS IN NATURE AS WAS POPULAR IN FUNERARY ART IN THE
20th CENTURY.
THERE ARE HEADSTONE PORTRAITS AND SECULAR SYMBOLS
REPRESENTING CERTAIN BENEVOLENT SOCIETIES AND FRATERNAL
ORGANIZATIONS.
MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY
CODE SECTION 27-257A FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
THE CEMETERY WAS ESTABLISHED AND ACHIEVED SIGNIFICANCE
DURING THE PERIOD OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE AS DELINEATED IN
THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES GUIDELINES WHICH IS

GENERALLY AT LEAST 50 YEARS AGO.
THESE HISTORIC RESOURCES ARE SIGNIFICANT IN THE AREA OF
COMMUNITY PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT, MILITARY HISTORY, ETHNIC
HISTORY AND ARCHITECTURE.
IT MAINTAIN ITS INTEGRITY OF LOCATION, SITE, AND SETTING.
AS I STATED EARLIER, THE APPLICATION DATE WAS JUNE 14th,
2023.
THE HPC REVIEWED AND RECOMMENDED THIS APPLICATION FOR YOUR
APPROVAL ON SEPTEMBER 19.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF FOUND THE APPLICATION
CONSISTENT WITH THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
NOTICE HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE OWNER, THE CITY, TO NEARBY
PROPERTY OWNERS AND TO REGISTERED ORGANIZATIONS.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THEREFORE THAT TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL APPROVE THE DESIGNATION OF MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY AS
A LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARK BASED ON IT MEETING THE CRITERIA.
AS I CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE
COMMUNITY AND THE FRIENDS OF BELMONT HEIGHTS MEMORIAL PARK
CEMETERY FOR THEIR EFFORTS IN COLLABORATION IN BRINGING THIS
FORWARD TO YOU TODAY.
10:47:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THAT WAS A WONDERFUL PRESENTATION.
I LEARNED A LOT OF NEW THINGS THAT I DIDN'T KNOW.
IN COMPARISON, THIS IS A CEMETERY OF PIONEERS FROM THE BLACK
COMMUNITY BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING -- I MEAN, SOME OF THE

NAMES YOU SHOWED AND THAT IS JUST A SAMPLING.
NEARBY WE HAVE OAK LAWN.
OAK LAWN IS THE DOWNTOWN TAMPA PIONEERS.
A LOT OF THEM ARE THERE OR WOODLAWN AND THEN FURTHER UP IN
EAST TAMPA, THERE IS RUSS HAVEN MEMORIAL CEMETERY WHICH HAS
MORE LIKE THE LATER 20th CENTURY MOVERS AND SHAKERS.
FLORIDA SENTINEL, MOSES WHITE, SO MANY PEOPLE.
I HAVE DRIVEN BY THIS CEMETERY MY ENTIRE LIFE.
MY FAMILY IS BURIED AT MYRTLE HILL DOWN THE ROAD.
WITH MY GRANDMOTHER, WE WOULD TAKE MLK AND I KNOW THAT THIS
HAS BEEN CONTROVERSIAL IN THE UPKEEP AND THE MAINTENANCE AND
EVERYTHING, BUT I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT WE'RE FINALLY
RECOGNIZING IT FOR THE IMPORTANCE, THE SIGNIFICANCE THAT IT
HAS ON THIS COMMUNITY.
AGAIN, WONDERFUL PRESENTATION.
I LEARNED A LOT OF NEW THINGS TODAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:48:41AM >>ELAINE LUND:
THANK YOU.
10:48:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
YES, SIR.
YES, MA'AM.
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
10:48:46AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
APPRECIATE IT, CHAIR.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE REPORT.
I ALWAYS LOVE LEARNING HISTORY WHEN IT COMES TO OUR CITY,
ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO THIS GREAT LANDMARK.
JUST REALLY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST
THINGS THAT I WAS ABLE TO VOTE ON AS A MEMBER OF COUNCIL.
IT SAYS TO ME THAT WE'RE MOVING SWIFTLY FOR THE MAYOR TO
SIGN OFF ON THIS ON JUNE 14th, TO MOVE TOWARD AN HISTORIC
LANDMARK IS A CLEAR INDICATOR THAT WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT
DIRECTION, THE THINGS WE'RE DOING WITH FENCING AND
RECOGNIZING THE ACTUAL LANDMARK IS REALLY IMPORTANT,
INCLUDING THE COMMUNITY FIGHTING SO HARD WITH LOVE AND
PASSION FOR A SACRED GROUND.
SO I JUST REALLY APPRECIATE THIS REPORT.
IT'S JUST ANOTHER INDICATION THAT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD,
THAT WE DO CARE ABOUT EAST TAMPA, AND THIS IS PROOF THAT
THIS IS EVIDENCE OF THAT BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THIS
PARTICULAR PROJECT.
SO THANK YOU.
10:49:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
YES, SIR.
COUNCILMAN VIERA AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:49:53AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I ALWAYS WANTED TO GIVE KUDOS TO THIS FOR JUST
THE GREATNESS OF WHAT GOOD JOURNALISM CAN DO.
PAUL GUZZO WITH THE TAMPA BAY TIMES.
IF IT WASN'T FOR MR. GUZZO, A LOT OF THESE THINGS WOULDN'T

HAVE COME OUT ABOUT MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY.
THE FOLKS WHO ARE HERE WHO HAVE DONE SO MUCH WORK.
MS. NOREEN COPELAND MILLER, ALL OF YOU ALL IT'S FROM THE
HEART.
YOUR GRANDFATHER IS BURIED THERE.
PRIVATE IN WORLD WAR II.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS SO MEANINGFUL.
WE TALK A LOT ABOUT OUR VIETNAM VETERANS WHO ARE 70, 71, 80
YEARS OLD, ET CETERA, AND THE WELCOME THEY GOT WHEN THEY
CAME HOME WHICH WAS PEOPLE YELLING AT THEM, SPITTING AT
THEM, ATTACKING THEM.
OUR AFRICAN AMERICAN SOLDIERS FROM THE CIVIL WAR TO THE
VIETNAM WAR GOT THAT AND EVEN WORSE.
MANY OF THEM LIKE HOSEA WILLIAMS WERE BEATEN IN UNIFORM.
A LOT OF OUR GREAT CIVIL RIGHTS HEROES, HOSEA WILLIAMS GOT A
PURPLE HEART IN WORLD WAR II.
MEDGAR EVERS, BEFORE HE WAS MURDERED IN JACKSON, MISSISSIPPI
IN 1963, SERVED HIS COUNTRY IN NORMANDY IN WORLD WAR II.
REVEREND RALPH ABERNATHY.
SO MANY OF OUR GREAT CIVIL RIGHTS HEROES WORE THAT UNIFORM,
AND IT MEANT A LOT TO THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE SAYING I LOVE
MY COUNTRY THAT IS NOT GOING TO STAND UP FOR ME SO MUCH THAT
I'LL STAND UP FOR IT AGAINST JAPANESE BULLETS, AGAINST
GERMAN BULLETS, AGAINST NORTH KOREAN BULLETS, AGAINST
VIETNAMESE BULLETS.

THEY CAME HOME AND DEMANDED THAT LEVEL OF RESPECT.
WORLD WAR I IS VERY RELEVANT BECAUSE WE SAW A BIG EXPANSION
IN WHITE SUPREMACIST RACIAL TERROR AFTER WORLD WAR I BECAUSE
OF A LOT OF VETERANS AFRICAN AMERICAN RETURNED HOME AND THEY
SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST 50 YEARS AFTER THE END OF
RECONSTRUCTION, 45 YEARS, IT'S ABOUT TIME WE GET SOME
RESPECT AND WE'LL ASK FOR IT BY PUTTING ON THAT UNIFORM.
GUESS WHAT THEY GOT.
DISRESPECT.
GREAT DISRESPECT.
FOR ME THIS IS WONDERFUL, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SALUTE MR.
GUZZO AND ALL THE FOLKS WITH THE CEMETERY SOCIETY INCLUDING
MS. COPELAND MILLER WHO HAS HER GRANDFATHER THERE.
THAT IS A BIG DEAL.
THIS IS VERY MEANINGFUL ON OUR AMERICAN JOURNEY AND WHAT IT
REALLY MEANS TO BE AN AMERICAN AND APPRECIATE HOW WE GOT TO
WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
10:52:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:52:20AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
ALONG WITH MY COLLEAGUES ON CITY COUNCIL THAT HAVE SPOKEN,
IF IT WASN'T FOR WORKING TOGETHER WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AND
THE ADMINISTRATION.
HOWEVER, THE ONES THAT REALLY CARRIED THE WORKLOAD, TO THE

LEFT.
THE VOLUNTEERS WHO SPENT HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF HOURS TO
MAKE SURE THAT THESE CEMETERIES, ESPECIALLY THIS ONE, IS
GIVEN THE COURTESY THAT IT SHOULD HAVE HAD MANY YEARS AGO.
I WANT TO THANK THE VOLUNTEERS FOR DOING THE WORK.
THEY DO IT AT NC -- NO CASH.
THEY DO IT BECAUSE OF THE LOVE AND DESIRE TO HONOR THOSE WHO
HELPED THE CITY GET WHERE IT'S AT TODAY AND HAVE IN SOME WAY
BEEN FORGOTTEN.
JUST ACROSS THE STREET, WE HAVE YOUNG KIDS PLAYING ONE OF
THE GREATEST PARTS OF AMERICA AS FAR AS SPORTS IS CONCERNED.
I REMEMBER WHEN WEST TAMPA AND THE PARK RIGHT THERE IN THE
CORNER, THOSE KIDS CAN SEE WHAT GAVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO
HAVE THE PARK TO PLAY, BECAUSE THE HEROES WHO GAVE THEIR
LIFE TO MAKE AMERICA A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE.
I WANT TO THANK EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY.
GOD BLESS YOU.
10:53:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
10:53:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SORT OF ECHOING WHAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA
JUST SAID, I DO APPRECIATE NOREEN COPELAND MILLER AND WHAT
YOU HAVE DONE SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL.
I BELIEVE IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST MEETINGS I PARTICIPATED IN
AND EVERYBODY ELSE FROM HISTORIC BELMONT HEIGHTS.
IF THERE IS A HEART OF HISTORIC BELMONT HEIGHTS, IT IS THE
CEMETERY.

I'VE WALKED IT I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I'VE WALKED
THROUGH THERE AND CONTEMPLATED.
I'M KIND OF LIKE THAT.
I BELIEVE YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER WHERE YOU WERE TO KNOW WHERE
YOU ARE.
SO THOSE FOLKS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE US HAVE PAVED THE WAY
FOR THE THINGS THAT WE ENJOY TODAY.
I BELIEVE IN THAT VERY FIRST MEETING I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT,
MAKE SURE WE FENCE THAT ENTIRE PROPERTY AND THE FENCE WAS
APPROPRIATE AND THAT THE NEIGHBORS -- NEIGHBORHOOD WAS
CONSULTED AS TO WHAT THE AESTHETIC LOOKED LIKE AND
APPROPRIATE FOR A SIGNIFICANT HISTORICAL CEMETERY FOR NOT
JUST THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND OUR ENTIRE
NATION.
SO I'M FULLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
I THINK THAT IT IS LONG OVERDUE.
I LOOK FORWARD TO CELEBRATING IT BEING COMPLETELY FENCED,
PROTECTED, AND RESTORED TO ITS MAGNIFICENT GLORY.
10:54:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
I'M SORRY.
CARLSON.
I'M LOOKING AT HIS MICROPHONE.
YES, SIR, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:54:48AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, I WANT TO THANK THOSE WHO ARE HERE.
I KNOW YOU ALL BROUGHT LOTS OF PEOPLE WITH YOU AND LOTS OF

PEOPLE THAT ARE VOLUNTEERING WITH YOU OVER THE LAST FEW
YEARS.
FOR ANYBODY WATCHING FOR THE FIRST TIME, THIS IS AN ISSUE
THAT'S BEEN OUT FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS OR MORE.
THIS WAS A PRIVATELY OWNED CEMETERY, AND WHEN THE PATRIARCH
DIED, IT WAS LEFT IN A SITUATION WHERE ONLY VOLUNTEERS
REALLY WERE KEEPING UP.
THESE FOLKS AND OTHERS WENT OUT EVERY DAY AND WORKED TO KEEP
IT UP AND THEY STARTED COMING BEFORE US.
THEN ANOTHER PRIVATE OWNER, YOU ALL CAN GOOGLE ALL THE
STORIES ABOUT IT, BUT IT'S BEEN A LONG THREE-YEAR STRUGGLE.
AND FOR LOTS OF DIFFERENT PIECES OF THIS, IT IS A
MULTI-DECISION THING THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON.
AND MANY TIMES VOLUNTEERS GIVE UP ALONG THE WAY, AND THESE
FOLKS AND THE FOLKS WHO HELPED THEM HAVE BEEN WORKING
REALLY, REALLY HARD, TIRELESSLY, IN HONOR OF THEIR ANCESTORS
AND ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE BURIED THERE.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HELP AND SUPPORT.
AND THANKS FOR EVERYBODY WHO HAS HELPED TO SUPPORT THIS
IMPORTANT HISTORY.
10:55:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
10:55:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I JUST WANT TO ECHO MY COUNCIL MEMBERS' CONGRATULATIONS.
THIS IS A LONG-FOUGHT WIN.
AND IT'S NOT QUITE DONE YET.

THIS IS GREAT, GETTING THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION, BUT WHAT'S
REALLY GOING TO BE THE CHERRY ON TOP IS FINISHING BOTH THE
MEMORIAL AND THE FENCE.
BUT THE GREAT NEWS IS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST WEEK.
WE'RE ACTUALLY REALLY MOVING ALONG IN ALL OF THESE ISSUES,
AND I'LL SAY FOR GOVERNMENT, THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.
SO -- AND THE GOOD THING IS, WE ALSO KNOW THAT THE CEMETERY
SOCIETY WILL NOT LET US DROP THE BALL AND THAT YOU WILL BE
HERE TO CONTINUE AND MAKE SURE THIS CEMETERY GETS THE
RECOGNITION IT SO BADLY DESERVES AND HAS DESERVED FOR MANY
YEARS.
THERE WAS A LOT OF DRAMA THAT WENT THROUGH IT, BUT I'M
REALLY PROUD NOW THAT IT IS A CITY ASSET, AND THAT WE'RE
GOING TO TREAT IT LIKE A CITY ASSET.
VERY EXCITED FOR THAT BECAUSE IT GIVES US A SENSE OF RELIEF,
I BELIEVE, THAT IT IS IN CITY HANDS AND IT CANNOT BE SOLD,
CANNOT BE MOVED.
NOTHING CAN HAPPEN TO THE CEMETERY AGAIN, AND THAT I BELIEVE
IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS SO IMPORTANT TO THE CITY AND
THE COMMUNITY AS WE FIND MORE OF THESE CEMETERIES AND
GRAPPLE WITH WHAT WE AS A CITY WANT TO DO WITH THEM.
I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE.
THANK MS. LUND FOR ALL THE WORK SHE DID BEHIND THIS AND ALL
THE REST OF STAFF BUT ALSO, OF COURSE, THE WONDERFUL
CEMETERY SOCIETY.

10:57:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE HAVE QUITE A FEW MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HERE.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND GO AHEAD.
YES, MA'AM.
10:57:37AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS NOREEN COPELAND MILLER.
I AM THE FOUNDER OF THE FRIENDS OF BELMONT HEIGHTS MEMORIAL
PARK CEMETERY.
I'M GOING TO ASK OUR BOARD MEMBERS IF THEY WOULD STAND UP
AND COME FORWARD BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO ANY OF THIS BY
OURSELVES.
IT TAKES ALL OF US.
EVERYBODY IS NOT HERE, BUT THOSE THAT ARE HERE, I CERTAINLY
WANT THEM TO KNOW HOW MUCH THEY ARE APPRECIATED AND THAT WE
KNOW THAT WE ARE BEING HEARD AND WE ARE GRATEFUL.
I WANT TO START OFF BY SAYING THANK YOU TO DENNIS FERNANDEZ
AND HIS WONDERFUL STAFF.
THIS HAS BEEN -- IT'S BEEN AN HONOR TO WORK WITH THEM FOR
MONTHS, BUT HE ALWAYS INCLUDED US IN THAT PROCESS, AND FOR
THAT I'M JUST VERY GRATEFUL.
THEY HAVE TRULY EMBRACED COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, COMMUNITY
INVOLVEMENT, NOT ONLY DID THEY HEAR US, THEY LISTENED,
WORKED WITH US.
WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS MEETINGS.

HE CAME IN THE COMMUNITY, MET WITH US, LEE DAVIS ADVISORY
RESOURCE CENTER.
GONE TO HIS OFFICE, MET WITH HIM.
WE WORKED ON THE DRAFT WITH THEM, THE PRESENTATION.
WE WERE INCLUDED IN THAT PROCESS.
AND FOR THAT WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL BECAUSE NONE OF THIS COULD
HAVE NOT HAPPENED WITHOUT ALL OF US WORKING TOGETHER.
THIS IS TRULY ALL WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO MAKE OUR
COMMUNITY A BETTER PLACE.
I AM VERY GRATEFUL FOR MS. AILEEN HENDERSON FOR INTRODUCING
ME TO THAT MONUMENT THAT'S IN THE CEMETERY.
I HAD NO IDEA AND I WAS GOING THERE ALL THE TIME BECAUSE MY
GRANDFATHER IS NOT BURIED TOO FAR FROM IT.
BUT I NEVER TOOK THE TIME TO GO OVER THERE UNTIL WE STARTED
DOING THE CLEANUPS.
THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING PROCESS.
WHEN ED JOHNSON WAS CITY MANAGER, WE AS A COMMUNITY HAD TO
BEG FOR SIGNAGE.
I'LL GIVE HIM THAT CREDIT.
HE PUT THE FENCE UP FRONT, PUT THE SIGN THERE THAT SAID
MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY.
BECAUSE FOR CENTURIES, DECADES, WE HAD NOTHING BUT A VERBAL
NAME.
NOTHING WRITTEN.
AT LEAST WE HAVE THAT.

NOW WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GET WHAT WE TRULY DESERVE.
WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL.
WE DON'T TAKE IT LIGHTLY.
WE HONORED THAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO THE WORK MOST HISTORICAL
THING TODAY.
THIS IS SO GOOD FOR EAST TAMPA.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT.
THIS IS SOMETHING GOOD THAT WE ARE GOING TO SHARE WITH
EVERYBODY, HIGHLIGHT HOW GREAT THERE ARE SOME GOOD THINGS
GOING ON IN EAST TAMPA, AND THIS IS ONE OF THEM.
WE'RE GOING TO EMBRACE THIS.
THIS IS GREAT NEWS.
THE REAL HISTORICAL PART, THIS CEMETERY IS THE CENTER OF
TAMPA AND HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION, DURING 21st CENTURY, SURVEY
RESEARCH AND THEY NOTED THAT THAT CEMETERY IS IN THE HEART
OF TAMPA.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO
WORKING WITH YOU ALL.
11:00:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:00:38AM >> ANY OTHER MEMBERS?
11:00:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:00:41AM >> MY NAME IS CYNTHIA O'KEATON.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT IT IS SUCH A GOOD THING THAT THIS

IS HAPPENING FOR US.
I GREW UP DOWN THE STREET FROM THE CEMETERY, AND I USED TO
WALK TO SCHOOL GOING THROUGH THERE.
SOMETIMES WE USED TO GO THROUGH THE CEMETERY BECAUSE IT WAS
MORE FUN TO DO THAT.
ANYWAY, I'M SO ELATED BECAUSE PART OF POST FIVE THAT HAS THE
CEMETERY OVER ON KENNEDY, AND THEY HAVE BEEN INFLUENCED ON
HELPING THIS EVENT TO HAPPEN.
I GOT SOME OF THE HISTORY THAT I JUST STARTED CRYING ABOUT
TO KNOW THAT THIS WAS HAPPENING BACK IN THE DAY.
I GREW UP IN THE '50s, SO I KNOW WHAT SEGREGATION WAS ALL
ABOUT.
I'M JUST SO GRATEFUL FOR YOU ALL AND WHAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE
TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
I'M VERY HAPPY.
THANK YOU.
11:01:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK?
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:01:54AM >> AILEEN HENDERSON.
TODAY IS A GOOD DAY.
IT WAS ALWAYS SOMETHING SPECIAL WHEN YOU GET TO SEE THE
FRUITS OF YOUR LABOR.
AND FOR THE HISTORIC BELMONT HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT IS

EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING TODAY.
CLEARLY, I AM IN FAVOR OF MOVING THE LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARK
DESIGNATION FORWARD FOR MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY AND I HOPE
ALL OF YOU ARE AS WELL.
I WANT TO GIVE THANKS TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION
COMMISSION.
DENNIS FERNANDEZ AND ELAINE LUND HAVE BEEN STELLAR.
THANK YOU TO NICOLE TRAVIS.
SHE WITHOUT DOUBT WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN PURCHASING MEMORIAL
PARK CEMETERY AND CONTINUES TO OVERSEE THE BEST INTEREST OF
THE CEMETERY.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
THANK YOU.
THE UNWAVERING SUPPORT HAS NOT GONE UNNOTICED, AND PLEASE
KNOW WE KNOW IT CONTINUES.
THANK YOU TO THE BELMONT HEIGHTS COMMUNITY.
HOW FORTUNATE AM I TO HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO
KNOW SO MANY OF YOU AND SEE HISTORIC BELMONT HEIGHTS THROUGH
THEIR LENSES.
AND FINALLY, THANK YOU TO MR. NOREEN COPELAND MILLER.
YOU ARE A WARRIOR, THE FACE OF MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY, A
ROCK STAR.
YOUR EFFORTS TO DO RIGHT BY YOUR FAMILY BURIED THERE ON THE
CEMETERY ARE TIRELESS AND ENDLESS.
THIS DESIGNATION WOULD NOT BE HAPPENING WITHOUT YOU.

I AM HONORED TO KNOW YOU AND LEARN FROM YOU.
COUNCIL, PLEASE SUPPORT HER LABORS SO SHE CAN TASTE THE
FRUIT, SO ALL CAN TASTE THE FRUIT.
HOW SWEET IT IS INDEED.
THANK YOU.
11:04:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
ANYBODY ELSE?
YES, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:04:35AM >> HI.
MY NAME IS SIMON ROE.
I CURRENTLY LIVE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES AWAY FROM MEMORIAL PARK
CEMETERY.
I HAVEN'T ALWAYS LIVED IN TAMPA BUT IN THE SHORT TIME I'VE
BEEN HERE I'VE SEEN THE KIND OF LOVE AND SUPPORT THAT GOES
TOWARDS EVERY CEMETERY HERE IN TAMPA, BUT ESPECIALLY
MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY.
I AM GLAD TO SEE THAT THERE IS SOMETHING BEING DONE TO SHOW
RESPECT FOR THE MANY SOULS THAT ARE BURIED THERE.
I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT KIND OF RESPECT FOR THE BLACK COMMUNITY
HERE IN TAMPA.
BUYING THE CEMETERY WAS A BIG FIRST STEP.
ANOTHER BIG STEP IS DESIGNATING THE SITE AS AN HISTORIC
LANDMARK AND I'M EXCITED TO SEE THE NEXT STEP OF PUTTING UP
FENCING AROUND THE CEMETERY.
HISTORY NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE LEFT TO THE SIDELINES.
IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO SPEND OUR PRESENT WORKING ON SO WE
CAN HAVE A FUTURE AND PRESERVE THE LEGACY FOR FUTURE
GENERATIONS HERE IN TAMPA.
I BELIEVE IT WAS SAID AT ONE OF THE BELMONT HEIGHTS
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETINGS THAT EAST TAMPA HISTORY IS
TAMPA HISTORY.
MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY IS TAMPA HISTORY.
IT'S ALL HISTORY, AND IT DESERVES TO BE RESPECTED.
SO I'M GLAD TO SEE IT'S GAINED THE RESPECT IT DESERVES HERE
TODAY.
THANK YOU.
11:06:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:06:10AM >> YES, MY NAME IS ALFREDO, LAST NAME IS MORRONI.
CANADIAN NAME BUT I GREW UP HERE IN TAMPA.
I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I SEE THE SINCERE, GENUINE
SUPPORT THAT THE COUNCIL HAS MUSTERED UP TO SUPPORT THIS
EFFORT.
I REALLY WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AND WISH YOU WOULD CONTINUE
TO SUPPORT US.
THANK YOU.
11:06:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
ALL RIGHTY.
MS. FEELEY, ARE YOU COMING UP?

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:06:42AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ABBYE FEELEY, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF
DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT.
I HEARD FROM DENNIS FERNANDEZ VERY EARLY THIS MORNING THAT
HE WAS ILL AND HE COULD NOT BE HERE TODAY.
AND I KNOW THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT THAT HE AND ELAINE HAD PUT
IN TO WORKING WITH THE GROUP IN ORDER TO GET THIS.
ONCE WE OWNED IT, WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO DESIGNATE IT AND
THAT'S WHAT WE SET OUT TO DO.
JUST WANTED -- I THINK HE'S WATCHING ON TV.
JUST A SHOUT-OUT TO THAT TEAM AND THE RECOGNITION THAT WAS
RECEIVED FROM THE COMMUNITY.
SO THANK YOU AND THE PARTNERSHIP.
11:07:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WANT TO MENTION DENNIS AND ELAINE.
I THINK THEY HAVE ONE OF THE COOLEST JOBS IN THE CITY
BECAUSE I'VE LEARNED SO MUCH FROM THEM OVER THE YEARS.
THEY GET TO SEE THE HISTORY, PRESERVE THE HISTORY,
PROTECTION THE HISTORY, AND THEY HAVE A VERY IMPORTANT JOB.
THANK YOU TO THEM.
11:07:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SHOUT-OUT TO DENNIS AND HOPE YOU FEEL
BETTER AND CONGRATULATIONS ON US MOVING THIS FORWARD.
11:07:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IF THERE'S NOTHING FURTHER, I'LL ASK FOR
A MOTION TO CLOSE.
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.

SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, WOULD YOU MIND READING IT.
11:07:50AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I TAKE GREAT PLEASURE IN DOING SO.
THANK YOU, CHAIR.
I MOVE FILE HPC-23-07-C, AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF
TAMPA, FLORIDA, DESIGNATING MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY, LOCATED
AT 2425 EAST DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR BOULEVARD, TAMPA,
FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 3 HEREOF,
AS A LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARK; PROVIDING FOR A REPEAL OF ALL
ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY;
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:08:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
LET'S GET A ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:08:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
11:08:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
11:08:37AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
11:08:38AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:08:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:08:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:08:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:08:43AM >>THE CLERK:
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

11:08:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
CONGRATULATIONS.
[ APPLAUSE ]
YES, SIR, MR. SHELBY.
GO AHEAD, YES, MA'AM.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
11:08:57AM >> SECOND READING AND ADOPTION HELD ON MARCH -- [INAUDIBLE]
11:09:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MARCH 7, 9:30 A.M.
11:09:08AM >> AT OLD CITY HALL, 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, THIRD
FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
11:09:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALL RIGHT.
THANKS.
ENJOY YOUR DAY.
CONGRATULATIONS.
ITEM NUMBER 3 IS A SCRIVENER'S PROPOSER YES, MA'AM, GO
AHEAD.
11:09:28AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
SUSAN JOHNSON VELEZ, LEGAL
DEPARTMENT.
ITEM NUMBER 3 IS AN ORDINANCE CORRECTING A SCRIVENER'S ERROR
TO THE ORDINANCE WHICH APPROVED AND ADOPTED TA/CPA 23-16.
IT IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
THERE WAS A DELAY BETWEEN THE TIME THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN AMENDMENT WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED BEFORE CITY COUNCIL
TO THE TIME IT WAS ACTUALLY HEARD AND IN THE INTERIM, FOLIO

NUMBERS WERE CHANGED ON THE TWO PARCELS IN QUESTION.
SO THIS ORDINANCE JUST CORRECTS THE PRIOR ORDINANCE BY
SUBSTITUTING THE CORRECT FOLIO NUMBERS.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
11:10:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
NO.
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, WOULD YOU MIND READING ITEM NUMBER
3.
11:10:08AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FILE TA/CPA 23-16, ORDINANCE BEING
PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE
AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024-5, PASSED AND ORDAINED BY THE
CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA ON JANUARY 11, 2024,
CORRECTING A SCRIVENER'S ERROR IN THE BODY OF THE ORDINANCE
BY UPDATING THE INCORRECT FOLIO NUMBERS THAT WERE PROVIDED
IN ERROR AND SUBSTITUTING THE CORRECT FOLIO NUMBERS;
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:10:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
YES, MA'AM.
ITEM NUMBER 4.
11:10:46AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
YES, ITEM NUMBER 4 IS ALSO AN
ORDINANCE CORRECTING A SCRIVENER'S ERROR TO TA/CPA 23-15

ANOTHER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
CHANGES WERE MADE TO THE TEXT OF THE AMENDMENT, AND THOSE
WEREN'T ACCURATELY REFLECTED IN THE ORIGINAL EXHIBIT A
ATTACHED TO THE PRIOR ORDINANCE.
THIS ATTACHES THE CORRECT TEXT AMENDMENT LANGUAGE.
11:11:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
11:11:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THIS ONE, DO WE NEED TO
SET THE SECOND READING FOR THE FIRST ONE?
FOR THE FIRST ONE WE JUST DID, THE SCRIVENER'S ERROR AND
THEN COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON WASN'T HERE.
11:11:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT WAS A UNANIMOUS VOTE WITH COUNCIL
MEMBER CARLSON BEING ABSENT AND SECOND READING AND ADOPTION
--
11:11:43AM >>THE CLERK:
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION HELD ON MARCH 7,
2024, AT 9:30 A.M. AT OLD CITY HALL, 315 EAST KENNEDY
BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
11:11:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IS THERE ANYTHING FURTHER ON ITEM NUMBER 4.
11:11:57AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
NOTHING FURTHER.
11:11:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, MIND READING ITEM
4?
11:12:01AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MY PLEASURE.
I MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 2023-161,
PASSED AND ORDAINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA

ON NOVEMBER 16, 2023, CORRECTING A SCRIVENER'S ERROR BY
SUBSTITUTING A CORRECTED EXHIBIT "A" FOR THE PREVIOUSLY
APPROVED EXHIBIT "A" THAT WAS PROVIDED IN ERROR; PROVIDING
AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:12:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
PLEASE READ THE VOTE.
11:12:35AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON BEING
ABSENT AT VOTE.
SECOND HEARING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON MARCH 7, 2024,
AT 9:30 A.M. AT OLD CITY HALL, 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD,
THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
11:12:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
LET'S GO TO CONSENT AGENDA.
COUNCILMAN VIERA WITH PUBLIC SAFETY, 5 THROUGH 8.
11:12:59AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
I MOVE ITEMS 5 THROUGH 8 AND I DO WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT-OUT
ON THE DONATION OF THE POLICE CANINE OAKLEY AND THANK OAKLEY
FOR THEIR WORK FOR THE CITY.
DOGS ARE AWESOME.
11:13:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA WITH A
MOTION, SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.

ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, 9 THROUGH 15.
11:13:26AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU, CHAIR.
I MOVE FILES 9 THROUGH 15 FOR PARKS, RECREATION AND CULTURE.
11:13:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON,
SECOND BY MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, 17 THROUGH 22.
11:13:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE ITEMS 17 THROUGH 22.
11:13:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:13:51AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE ITEMS 23 THROUGH 28.
11:13:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION THERE COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA,
SECOND FROM CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?

COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, 29 THROUGH 37.
11:14:02AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I MOVE ITEMS 29 THROUGH 37.
11:14:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, ITEMS 38 THROUGH 41.
11:14:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOVE ITEMS 38 THROUGH 41.
11:14:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM CLENDENIN AND SECOND BY
MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SET ITEM NUMBER 42.
11:14:24AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
42 FOR REVIEWING HEARING ON APRIL 18,
2024, 10 A.M. IN THE MORNING.
ITEM -- THAT'S IT.
11:14:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE'RE SETTING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR
ITEM NUMBER 42 BY COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
ITEM 43 WE TOOK CARE OF.
WE GO TO SECOND READINGS, 44, 45, AND 46.

44 IS NON-QUASI-JUDICIAL.
WHO WILL BE SPEAKING ON ITEM 44?
THIS IS ANOTHER HISTORIC PRESERVATION EXEMPTION.
11:15:02AM >>ELAINE LUND:
ELAINE LUND, HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF.
THERE WAS A FULL PRESENTATION ON THIS ITEM AT THE FIRST
READING.
I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM.
11:15:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
NO.
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM 44?
I DON'T SEE ANYONE.
NOBODY REGISTERED.
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM CLENDENIN AND SECOND BY MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, WOULD YOU MIND READING THIS?
11:15:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I MOVE FILE HTX24-2211, IS AN ORDINANCE
BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN
ORDINANCE APPROVING AN HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROPERTY TAX
EXEMPTION APPLICATION RELATIVE TO THE RESTORATION,
RENOVATION, REHABILITATION OF CERTAIN PROPERTY OWNED BY A 1
A TAMPA BAY, INC. LOCATED AT 1208 NORTH HOWARD AVENUE,
TAMPA, FLORIDA IN THE WEST TAMPA MULTIPLE PROPERTIES
LISTING, BASED UPON CERTAIN FINDINGS, PROVIDING FOR NOTICE

TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, PROVIDING
FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN
CONFLICT, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:16:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
11:16:20AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH HURTAK AND
CARLSON BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
11:16:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ITEMS 45 AND 46 ARE QUASI-JUDICIAL, WHICH MEANS IF YOU ARE
GOING TO BE SPEAKING ON THESE ITEMS, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE
YOUR RIGHT HAND AND WE WILL SWEAR YOU IN.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE SPEAKING ON 45 OR 46, PLEASE STAND
AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
WE WILL SWEAR YOU IN.
[OATH ADMINISTERED]
11:16:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, YOU WERE ABSENT AT 45 AND 46.
DID YOU REVIEW THE RECORD?
11:16:57AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES, I DID.
11:16:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU ARE OKAY TO VOTE?
11:17:00AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I AM OKAY TO VOTE.
11:17:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ITEM 45, I SEE LaCHONE DOCK ON.
11:17:04AM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

THANK YOU.
LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM 45 IS BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING FOR SECOND READING.
THIS IS REZ-22-61.
IT IS FOR THE PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 3602 NORTH 50th STREET
AND 3501 NORTH 46th STREET.
THIS REQUEST WAS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM RM 16,
RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY, TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, TO
ALLOW THE USE OF FUNERAL PARLOR AND CEMETERY.
SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED AND CERTIFIED.
THEY WERE PROVIDED TO THE CLERK, AND I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU
HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
11:17:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. DOCK?
NO.
ALL RIGHT.
IS THERE AN APPLICANT?
YES, SIR.
YOU'RE BACK.
WERE YOU IN TPD BEFORE --
11:17:57AM >> FOUR YEARS AGO.
I'M BACK.
GOOD MORNING.
GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
COLIN RICE WITH THE LAW FIRM, WEST CASS.
HERE WITH MY COLLEAGUE, STACY YATES.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL THIS MORNING.
11:18:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN?
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
ITEM NUMBER 45?
11:18:20AM >> MOTION TO CLOSE.
11:18:21AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
BEFORE YOU CLOSE, 4-2 VOTE.
TWO VOTES.
ONLY SIX MEMBERS HERE, FIVE MEMBERS HERE.
WE TAKE THIS VOTE, IT MAY NOT PASS.
I THINK YOU NEED TO HAVE MR. VIERA AND CLENDENIN COME IN.
11:18:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IF MR. CARLSON IS HERE AND MR. VIERA --
IF MR. VIERA --
JUST A MOMENT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YOU'RE RIGHT.
I'M LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS.
LET'S HOLD ITEM 45, SIR, JUST TO BE FAIR AND GIVE IT A
MOMENT.
WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 46 AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO 45.
ITEM NUMBER 46, YES, MA'AM.
MS. DOCK.
11:19:31AM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
YES, THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL.
LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM 46 IS REZ-23-58.

THIS ITEM IS BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING.
THIS IS FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3301 WEST IOWA AVENUE.
THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM RS 60 RESIDENTIAL
SINGLE-FAMILY TO RS 50, RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY.
AND THIS IS A EUCLIDEAN REZONING.
THERE IS NO SITE PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THIS REQUEST.
AND I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
11:20:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. DOCK?
NO.
MR. MICHELINI, YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:20:07AM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
I WAS REPRESENTING THE PETITIONER.
THIS ORIGINALLY PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
WE HAD NO OPPOSITION, AND IT REORIENTS THE PROPERTY
CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL.
11:20:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
NO.
IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM
NUMBER 46?
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ALL RIGHT.

COUNCIL MEMBER -- DID I LEAVE OFF WITH YOU?
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, READ 46?
11:20:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO PROBLEM.
FILE NUMBER REZ-23-58, ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR SECOND
READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE
GENERAL VICINITY OF 3301 WEST IOWA AVENUE, IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION
1, FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS-60, RESIDENTIAL,
SINGLE-FAMILY, TO RS-50, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY,
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:21:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
11:21:16AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON BEING
ABSENT AT VOTE.
11:21:19AM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
11:21:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL GO BACK TO ITEM NUMBER 45.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU WERE OUT OF THE ROOM.
ARE YOU GOOD WITH THE VOTE?
11:21:29AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
WHAT I TYPICALLY DO, NOT TO GIVE OUT INSIDE BASEBALL,
WHENEVER I HAVE TO LEAVE THE ROOM TO USE THE RESTROOM, I PUT

THE YouTube ON AND LISTEN.
11:21:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TMI.
11:21:48AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DID YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, MR.
CHAIR?
11:21:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO, WE DIDN'T READ IT.
11:21:52AM >> MOTION TO CLOSE.
11:21:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK JUST READ.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WAS A NO VOTE AT THE BEGINNING.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, WOULD YOU READ 45?
11:22:02AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAD A MOTION TO CLOSE.
WE DID NOT GET A SECOND.
11:22:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN CLOSED ITEM NUMBER 45.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
THE HEARING IS CLOSED.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, WOULD YOU LIKE --
11:22:15AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR, MY PLEASURE.
MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE'S
REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION, REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL
VICINITY OF 3602 NORTH 50th STREET AND 3501 NORTH 46th
STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY
DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION

RM 16 RENTING MULTIFAMILY TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT,
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:22:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
11:22:47AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY -- I'M SORRY.
MOTION FAILED --
11:22:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT'S A TIE VOTE.
11:23:02AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WE HAVE TO HOLD IT UNTIL WE HAVE SEVEN.
11:23:11AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MAY WE HAVE THAT VOTE AGAIN, PLEASE?
11:23:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE MOTION FAILS WITH A TIE VOTE.
11:23:23AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION FAILED WITH MIRANDA, HENDERSON, HURTAK
VOTING NO AND CARLSON ABSENT AT VOTE.
11:23:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. SHELBY, CONSIDERING THE
CIRCUMSTANCES, DID THIS GET CONTINUE -- DOES THIS GET
CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING WHEN WE
HAVE A FULL COUNCIL WHICH I BELIEVE IS MARCH 7 AT THIS
POINT?
11:23:40AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
11:23:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
48 AS WELL HAS THE SAME PROBLEM.
11:23:47AM >>LUIS VIERA:
IS COUNCILMAN CARLSON GONE FOR THE TIME BEING
OR FOR THE REST OF THE DAY?
I KNOW THINGS HAPPEN.
11:23:56AM >> RIGHT NOW FOR THE TIME BEING.
I JUST DON'T KNOW IF HE WILL BE RETURNING.
I MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION FOR YOU SHORTLY.

11:24:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M GOING TO BE LEAVING IN TEN MINUTES
BECAUSE I HAVE AN EVENT WITH THE STUDENTS --
11:24:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. SHELBY, COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN IS
GOING TO BE LEAVING IN A FEW MINUTES.
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON IS NOT HERE RIGHT NOW.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO RETAKE THE VOTE WHEN WE HAVE A FULL
COUNCIL LATER THIS AFTERNOON AFTER LUNCH?
11:24:27AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
[INAUDIBLE] [MICROPHONE NOT ON]
I'M SORRY.
I USED TO HAVE A LAVALIER MICROPHONE.
LET'S TRY IT AGAIN.
MY SUGGESTION IS WITHOUT KNOWING WHEN COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON
WOULD BE BACK, IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A HEARING CONTINUITY
WITH A CONTINUANCE TO A DATE AND TIME AND LOCATION CERTAIN
SO THAT THE PUBLIC WHO IS WATCHING THIS OR IS PARTICIPATING
OR IS A PARTY TO IT KNOWS WHEN TO COME BACK AND WHEN IT IS
DONE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THIS WILL BE HEARD AGAIN, IF IT WILL BE
HEARD AGAIN.
THE LATER ON IN THE DAY, UNLESS IT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD
LIKE TO WISH TO HAVE -- REMAIN OPEN UNTIL THE END OF THE
DAY.
11:25:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO REOPEN THIS ITEM.
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.

11:25:20AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. RICE, NOW KNOWING WHAT YOU KNOW WITH A
3-3 TIE, WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE WITH REGARD TO WHETHER THIS
COMES BACK AT THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING PER THE COUNCIL'S
RULES?
OR YOU CAN, IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN OBJECTION, ALLOW IT TO COME
BACK TOWARDS THE END OF THE DAY AND SEE --
11:25:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT'S COME TO MY KNOWLEDGE HERE THAT
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON WILL NOT BE RETURNING TODAY.
I WOULD RECOMMEND TAKING THE MARCH 7 REGULARLY SCHEDULED
CITY COUNCIL MEETING JUST SO WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A
FAIR HEARING AND A FULL COUNCIL.
YES, SIR, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND YOUR MICROPHONE, SIR.
11:26:01AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF I MAY, CAN WE PUT THAT NUMBER ONE ON
THE AGENDA SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE DELAYED AGAIN.
11:26:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LET'S DO THAT RIGHT AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT
THAT WE TAKE YOUR ITEM OUT OF PROFESSIONAL COURTESY.
IF THAT'S OKAY, WE'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
MR. SHELBY, DO I LEAVE THE HEARING OPEN AT THIS TIME.
11:26:19AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NOW IT IS A MOTION TO CONTINUE IT.
11:26:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO CONTINUE?
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:26:22AM >>LUIS VIERA:
FEBRUARY 16 --
11:26:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE DON'T HAVE A REGULAR MEETING.
WE HAVE A WORKSHOP AND WORKSHOP.
11:26:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO CONTINUE.

11:26:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE'LL DO A MOTION TO CONTINUE TO MARCH 7
PLACED FIRST ON THE AGENDA RIGHT AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN MADE THE MOTION.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
11:26:49AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AGAIN, THE DATE AND TIME AND PLACE.
11:26:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MARCH 7 RIGHT AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT,
WHICH WE COULD SAY 9:30 A.M.
315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602, THIRD
FLOOR.
11:27:02AM >> THANK YOU.
11:27:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT ABOUT 48?
11:27:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN WILL BE LEAVING
IN A FEW MINUTES AND WILL BE COMING BACK AFTER LUNCH.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON WILL NOT BE HERE FOR THE REST OF THE DAY.
THIS IS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR CASE.
MS. JOHNSON VELEZ, IF YOU WOULD CLARIFY FOR 48.
11:27:25AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
ITEM 48 WAS CONTINUED TO THIS AGENDA DUE TO A TIE VOTE FROM
COUNCIL.
WE THINK IT'S BEST IF WE HAVE A FULL COUNCIL FOR THAT VOTE.
I HAVE SPOKEN TO THE APPLICANT WHO IS HERE WHO WOULD AGREE
WITH THE CONTINUANCE TO THE MARCH 7 DATE.
SHE CAN CONFIRM THAT.

11:27:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:27:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN I ALSO SAY TO ASK THAT THIS ONE BE PUT
DIRECTLY AFTER THE ONE WE JUST -- RIGHT AFTER PUBLIC
COMMENT.
11:27:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
9:30 A.M. AFTER -- THIS WOULD BE FOR
MARCH 7, 2024, 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR,
TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602, DIRECTLY AFTER THE PREVIOUS HEARING,
WHICH WAS ITEM NUMBER 45.
IT WILL BE SECOND AFTER THAT, RIGHT AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT?
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM NUMBER 47, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE
FIVE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
WITH ONE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER RETURNING AFTER LUNCH.
CAN WE PERHAPS VISIT 47 WHEN WE RETURN FROM LUNCH SO WE AT
LEAST HAVE SIX MEMBERS?
11:28:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SHOULD WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT AND SEE IF
THEY WANT A FULL COUNCIL?
11:28:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHO IS THE APPLICANT IN THIS CASE?
11:28:50AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS
COMING FORWARD NOW.

11:28:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:28:55AM >> MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
I AM THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE APPLICANT.
I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE IF WE HEAR IT NOW AND THERE'S ONLY
FIVE OF YOU AND THE VOTE IS 3-2 AGAINST, I DON'T KNOW, DO
THE REST OF THE PEOPLE VOTE, WHAT HAPPENS?
11:29:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT WOULD DIE.
11:29:13AM >> MY THING WOULD LOSE BECAUSE IT WOULD DIE.
11:29:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IF IT BECOMES 3-2, 4-1 AGAINST.
11:29:22AM >> PARDON?
11:29:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR, MR. SHELBY.
11:29:26AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF IT'S LESS THAN FOUR VOTES, IF A MOTION
IN A QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER FAILS TO RECEIVE AT LEAST FOUR
VOTES, THE MOTION FAILS.
IF ANOTHER MOTION IN ORDER IS NOT MADE, LIKE IN THIS CASE A
MOTION TO CONTINUE, THE PUBLIC HEARING SHALL BE
AUTOMATICALLY REOPENED AND CONTINUED TO A TIME CERTAIN AT
THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED COUNCIL MEETING.
WHAT HAPPENS THEN IS THE ABSENT MEMBERS WOULD THEN BE
RESPONSIBLE FOR REVIEWING THE RECORD AND VIEWING THE HEARING
AND THEN COMING BACK AND IT WOULD BE OPENED ONLY FOR THE
PURPOSES OF HAVING QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
THE HEARING WOULD THEN BE CLOSED AND A VOTE THEN TAKEN.
11:30:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SIX VOTES, COULD BE A 3-3 VOTE AND COULD

DIE THERE.
11:30:05AM >> I THOUGHT IF IT WAS A 3-3 VOTE, DOESN'T THE ABSENT
COUNCIL PERSON GET TO VOTE AT A LATER DATE IF IT IS A TIE?
11:30:13AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT COMES BACK.
11:30:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT WOULD COME BACK WHEN THERE IS A FULL
COUNCIL FOR REVOTE AND THEN YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A
4-3.
11:30:20AM >> IF THERE'S ONLY FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND IT IS A 3-2
VOTE, DOES IT COME BACK WHEN A FULL COUNCIL OR DEAD?
11:30:27AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO, IT'S NOT -- WELL, IT DEPENDS.
IF A MOTION TO AFFIRM A DECISION FAILS ON A 3-2 VOTE,
ANOTHER MOTION TO CONTINUE IT COULD BE IN ORDER OR A MOTION
TO DENY COULD BE IN ORDER.
WHATEVER MOTION TAKES THE FIRST VOTE OF 4 IS WHAT -- THE
COUNCIL'S ACTION THAT THEY TAKE ON THE ITEM.
11:30:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DO BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS THE
CHANCE TO HEAR IT AT A LATER DATE IF WE DON'T HAVE A FULL
COUNCIL.
IS THAT CORRECT, MR. SHELBY?
11:31:02AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT SAYS THIS.
IF AT A QUASI-JUDICIAL PUBLIC HEARING ONLY FOUR MEMBERS OF
COUNCIL ARE AVAILABLE TO TAKE ACTION, THEN THE PETITIONER
SHALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO CONTINUE THE MATTER UNTIL THERE IS A
MINIMUM OF FIVE MEMBERS.
IF THERE IS LESS THAN A FULL COUNCIL, THEN A PETITIONER MAY

REQUEST TO CONTINUE A MATTER, BUT IT WILL NOT BE AS A MATTER
OF RIGHT.
IF THERE'S ONLY FOUR MEMBERS AND THEY REQUEST A CONTINUANCE,
THAT IS GRANTED AS A MATTER OF RIGHT.
BUT AS LONG AS THERE ARE FIVE MEMBERS, THEN THE PETITIONER
MAY STILL REQUEST IT BUT IT IS ULTIMATELY COUNCIL'S DECISION
AS TO WHETHER TO GRANT THAT REQUEST.
11:31:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION?
I'M SPEAKING TO A GROUP OF STUDENTS AT THE CUBAN CLUB AT
NOON.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT WILL LAST BUT I'M SURE I WILL BE
BACK HERE BY 1.
IF WE TAKE AN EARLY LUNCH, I WILL GET IT BACK HERE AS FAST
AS I CAN.
11:31:53AM >> IF THERE WILL BE SIX OF YOU AFTER LUNCH AND 3-3 TIE MEANS
AN OPPORTUNITY WILL BE GRANTED IN THE FUTURE FOR COUNCILMAN
CARLSON TO VOTE, THEN I'M WILLING TO PROCEED AFTER LUNCH.
11:32:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
WAIT.
IS IT APPROPRIATE TO ALLOW THE GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK TO
SPEAK, MR. SHELBY, SINCE THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S
REPRESENTATIVE?
11:32:15AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT IS THE PROPERTY OWNER.
11:32:17AM >> OF THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION UNDER REVIEW.
11:32:20AM >> I'M THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE APPLICANT.

11:32:23AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ARE YOU THE PROPERTY -- MAY YOU STEP
FORWARD, PLEASE, SIR?
11:32:29AM >> JUSTIN HOUSTON.
2802 WEST BAY AVENUE.
11:32:35AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ARE YOU THE PROPERTY OWNER?
11:32:37AM >> I AM THE PROPERTY OWNER.
11:32:38AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU HEARD THE SITUATION RELATIVE TO THIS.
DO YOU HAVE A POSITION?
11:32:42AM >> I DO HAVE A POSITION.
I APOLOGIZE TO EVERYBODY.
I AM A TEACHER.
I GET TWO PERSONAL DAYS A YEAR.
I JUST USED ONE.
I LEFT MY DAUGHTER'S SIXTH GRADE PLAY EARLY THIS MORNING TO
BE HERE BECAUSE OF HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS.
11:32:56AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU'RE ASKING IT TO BE HEARD TODAY.
11:32:58AM >> YES, SIR.
I ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO BACK TO WORK AFTER LUNCH.
I WOULD HAVE TO USE MORE TIME TO GET HERE.
11:33:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU'RE IN GOOD HANDS WITH THE APPLICANT
REPRESENTATIVE.
11:33:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S THE OPPOSITION.
11:33:11AM >> WE'RE OPPOSING EACH OTHER'S VIEW.
11:33:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I RETRACT THAT COMMENT.
11:33:28AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT BEING THE CASE, SIR, WHAT IS YOUR

PLEASURE?
11:33:31AM >> MY PLEASURE IS TO PROCEED NOW, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
I KNOW THIS IS A HARDSHIP ON CITY COUNCIL, AND I APOLOGIZE
FOR THAT.
I GUESS I'M STUCK AT THIS POINT.
11:33:43AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE A TEACHER HERE WHO IS TAKING A DAY
OFF.
WE CAN HEAR FROM THE OTHER SIDE, BUT I'M FINE WITH
PROCEEDING NOW.
I THINK THAT IS THE COURTEOUS THING TO DO.
IF WE HAVE A CHALLENGE WITH VOTE --
11:34:03AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
MS. BENNETT REPRESENTS THE PETITIONER
IN THIS CASE.
IT'S A REVIEW HEARING.
[INAUDIBLE]
11:34:16AM >>LUIS VIERA:
IT MAY NEED TO BE -- I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE
VOTES ARE GOING TO FALL ON THIS, BUT IT MAY BE THAT IT COMES
BACK AFTER LUNCH AND YOU TAKE THE RISK THAT YOU HAVE TO
RETURN BACK TO WORK.
I'M FINE WHICHEVER WAY.
11:34:33AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
QUESTION FOR COUNCIL.
WILL YOU BE PREPARED TO WORK THROUGH LUNCH?
DO YOU STILL INTEND TO TAKE A LUNCH?
WILL YOU BREAK THE HEARING FOR LUNCH OR TAKE THIS THROUGH TO
COMPLETION AND THEN TAKE LUNCH?

DON'T KNOW.
OKAY.
11:34:54AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WILLING WORK THROUGH LUNCH, BREAKFAST,
THE NEXT DAY --
11:34:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M FINE WITH WORKING FORWARD.
AGAIN, THIS IS NOT OUR DECISION.
THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S DECISION RIGHT NOW AS TO -- WHAT THE
APPLICANT WANTS TO DO.
LET'S HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
11:35:13AM >> MS. JOHNSON VELEZ SAID THAT AS I AM THE PETITIONER.
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT MY CONCERN IS RIGHT NOW.
IF THE VOTE IS 3-2 AGAINST MY PETITION, I'M DONE.
WHEREAS THE TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT AREN'T PRESENT MIGHT
HAVE VOTED TO MAKE IT 4-3 AND I WOULD HAVE WON.
A 3-3, I STILL GET THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE FOURTH VOTE.
SO THAT'S MY CONCERN IS THAT BY ALLOWING IT TO GO AHEAD WITH
ONLY FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M DEAD IN THE WATER WITHOUT
HAVING A HEARING OF THE FULL COUNCIL.
IF YOU WANT TO HEAR IT NOW AND IF IT'S 3-2, IF YOU CAN
GUARANTEE ME THAT YOU'LL CONTINUE IT SO THAT THE OTHER TWO
CAN VIEW THE RECORDING AND VOTE.
11:35:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE CAN'T GUARANTEE.
WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE EVIDENCE.
11:35:59AM >> THEN I'M RISKING LOSING EVERYTHING AND I'VE PUT A LOT OF
TIME AND MONEY INTO THIS.

11:36:07AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
A 3-2 DOES NOT FAIL ON THIS CASE.
A QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER, IN ORDER FOR A DECISION TO BE MADE
ON A DEVELOPMENT ORDER REQUIRES PER THE CHARTER FOUR VOTES
FOR COUNCIL TO TAKE ACTION.
IF IT ONLY GETS THREE VOTES, COUNCIL HAS NOT TAKEN AN ACTION
WHETHER TO AFFIRM OR DENY.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IN THAT CASE IS THE HEARING IS AUTOMATICALLY
REOPENED FOR COUNCIL'S RULES AND IT'S BROUGHT BACK TO THE
NEXT REGULAR MEETING AT WHICH TIME BETWEEN THAT TIME AND THE
TIME OF THE HEARING, THE ABSENT MEMBERS REVIEW THE RECORD
AND COME BACK PREPARED TO VOTE AND THEN THE MOTION IS TO
CLOSE THE HEARING, READ THE TITLE AGAIN AND THEN THE FULL
COUNCIL VOTES.
THAT IS WHAT THE PROCESS IS.
A 3-2 DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU'RE DENIED THE OPPORTUNITY OF
THE OTHER TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS EITHER AFFIRMING IT OR DENYING
IT.
11:37:02AM >> ALL RIGHT.
THEN I'M READY TO CONTINUE.
11:37:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD WITH TODAY'S
HEARING.
11:37:07AM >> UM-HUM.
11:37:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH COUNCIL?
LET'S BEGIN.
ITEM NUMBER 47, EVERYBODY HAS BEEN SWORN IN.

GO AHEAD.
11:37:36AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
GOOD MORNING AGAIN, COUNCIL.
SUSAN JOHNSON VELEZ, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
ITEM NUMBER 47 IS A PETITION FOR REVIEW OF VARIANCE REVIEW
BOARD CASE 23-55.
THE PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 2802 WEST BAY AVENUE.
THE ORIGINAL APPLICANT FOR THIS VRB APPLICATION WERE JUSTINE
-- SORRY, JUSTIN AND CHRISTINE HOUSTON.
THE REQUEST WAS TO REMOVE TWO GRAND OAKS FOR A GARAGE AND
HOME ADDITION.
THERE WAS A HEARING BEFORE THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD BACK IN
OCTOBER.
AND VRB -- WELL, BEFORE THE BOARD, THE APPLICANT CITED THE
FOLLOWING AS A BASIS FOR HARDSHIP.
I WANTED TO REMIND COUNCIL, KEEP IN MIND WHEN SOMEONE ASKS
FOR A VARIANCE, THEY ARE ASKING TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S NOT
ALLOWED UNDER THE CODE.
SO YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT THERE IS A HARDSHIP IN ORDER TO
GRANT THE VARIANCE.
THAT IS A THRESHOLD QUESTION FOR THE VRB TO CONSIDER AND FOR
COUNCIL TO CONSIDER IN YOUR REVIEW.
THE APPLICANT CITED THE FOLLOWING AS BASIS FOR HARDSHIP IN
ITS APPLICATION.
AN INCREASE IN CRIME AND THE NEED FOR SECURITY, THE BENEFIT
OF HAVING A GARAGE IN BAD WEATHER, AND ALSO DECREASE IN THE

CHANCE OF SLIP AND FALLS WHILE TRYING TO AVOID INCLEMENT
WEATHER WHILE BRINGING CHILDREN INTO THEIR HOME.
NATURAL RESOURCES STAFF FOR THE CITY FOUND THE REQUEST
INCONSISTENT BECAUSE THE PROPOSED ADDITIONS TO THE PROPERTY
COULD BE REASONABLY RECONFIGURED WHILE PRESERVING THE TWO
TREES THAT ARE SOUGHT FOR REMOVAL.
AGAIN, THE VRB DETERMINED THAT THE REQUEST INDEED WAS
SUPPORTED BY THE CODE AND MET THE CRITERIA FOR GRANTING A
VARIANCE.
BUT THE VOTE WAS 4-2.
IT WAS NOT A UNANIMOUS VOTE.
IT WAS 4-2 VOTE FOR APPROVAL AND THE PETITIONER, M.C.
GRAHAM, BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING, BROUGHT THE PETITION TO
CHALLENGE THE APPROVAL BY THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD WHICH
WOULD ALLOW FOR THE REMOVAL OF THESE TWO TREES.
I JUST PASSED OUT PACKETS OF INFORMATION TO COUNCIL THAT
PROVIDES RULES OF PROCEDURE WHICH HAVE BOTH BEEN PROVIDED TO
BOTH THE PETITIONER WHO IS REPRESENTED BY MS. BENNETT AND
ALSO MR. HOUSTON, AND THEY HAVE AGREED TO THE PROCEDURES SET
FORTH BEFORE YOU.
I ALSO PROVIDED RELEVANT SECTIONS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE,
SECTION 27-80, WHICH PROVIDES THE APPLICATION OF THE
VARIANCE POWER AND PROVIDES THE FIVE CRITERIA THAT THE
VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD AND WHICH COUNCIL SHOULD CONSIDER IN
REVIEWING THIS APPLICATION.

THE SECOND CODE SECTION ACTUALLY PROVIDED JUST THE RELEVANT
PORTION OF IT.
CODE SECTION 27-61-J-2.
YOU'LL SEE THE NUMBER IS NOT ON THE TOP OF THE PAGE, BUT IT
IS THE THIRD HANDOUT IN YOUR PACKET AND TWO IN PARENTHESES,
REVIEW OF BOARD DECISION, AND THAT IS THE START OF THE
RELEVANT CODE SECTION THERE.
AND THEN CODE SECTION 27-284.2.5, WHICH IS THE CODE SECTION
THAT GOVERNS PERMITS FOR GRAND TREE REMOVAL.
IN THE STANDARD OF REVIEW FOR MATTERS UNDER SECTION
27-61-J-2 IS DE NOVO.
COUNCIL MAY ACCEPT NEW EVIDENCE, TAKE PUBLIC TESTIMONY AND
THEN DETERMINE WHETHER THE APPLICANT HAS SHOWN THAT IN THIS
CASE THE VARIANCE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DENIED BECAUSE OF FAILURE
TO MEET THE CRITERIA FOR GRANTING A VARIANCE.
CITY STAFF HERE WITH ME THIS MORNING, MR. STEVEN EYSTER, THE
FOREST EXAMINER FOR THE CITY, AND HE WILL PROVIDE AN
OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION AND THE REASONS FOR HIS FINDING
OF INCONSISTENCY.
AND THEN I WILL COME BACK AT THE END OF THE HEARING TO
DESCRIBE COUNCIL'S POSSIBLE ACTIONS AFTER HEARING EVIDENCE.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE NOW PROCEDURALLY
OR OTHERWISE.
OTHERWISE, I WILL ASK MS. BENNETT TO COME FORWARD.
11:41:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS?

NO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, SIR, MR. SHELBY.
11:41:37AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF WE COULD TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO
RECEIVE AND FILE ALL THE WRITTEN DOCUMENTATION, EX PARTE
COMMUNICATIONS.
11:41:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:41:50AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ANY EX PARTE VERBAL COMMUNICATIONS, PLEASE
DISCLOSE THEM.
11:41:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
MR. VIERA, I'LL HAND THIS OFF.
USE THE RESTROOM.
11:42:00AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
MR. EYSTER WILL PRESENT HIS REPORT
FIRST AND FINDINGS.
11:42:08AM >> HELLO.
I AM STEVEN EYSTER WITH NATURAL RESOURCES.
FOREST EXAMINER FOR THIS PETITION.
I DID SUBMIT A PowerPoint, IF WE CAN PULL THAT UP.
IF NOT, I HAVE IT ON A FLASH DRIVE.
11:42:43AM >> FOR THE PUBLIC, THEY ARE PUTTING IN THE PowerPoint.

TAKE ABOUT A MINUTE.
11:42:47AM >> WHILE THEY ARE DOING THAT, I SHOWED UP AFTER THE SWEARING
IN.
SO I HAVE NOT BEEN SWORN.
11:42:51AM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF YOU DON'T MIND, BE READY.
[OATH ADMINISTERED]
11:43:01AM >> I DO.
11:43:38AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THERE WE GO, I THINK.
11:43:42AM >>STEVE EYSTER:
ALL RIGHT.
LET'S GET STARTED.
SO THIS IS GOING TO BE A QUICK RUN-DOWN FOR WHAT WAS
PRESENTED DURING THE VRB CASE ORIGINALLY IN OCTOBER.
11:44:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THERE IS A CLICKER FOR YOU.
11:44:04AM >>STEVE EYSTER:
SO THE ORIGINAL CASE VRB 23-55.
THIS COVERS THE INFORMATION SUSAN WENT OVER.
THERE WAS THE ORIGINAL VOTE IN OCTOBER, 4-2.
THIS IS A MAP OF THE SITE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, RS 50 LOT.
THIS LOT IS LARGER THAN NORMAL.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 70 BY 200.
THESE ARE THE TWO GRAND TREES IN QUESTION, SO GRAND TREE,
THEY ARE CONNECTED AT THE BASE.
KIND OF LIKE AN ALL OR NOTHING SITUATION.
GRAND TREE ONE, BOTH LIVE OAKS.
ONE MEASURES 47 INCHES.

ONE MEASURES 42 INCHES.
THEY ARE BOTH RATED C-8 WITH MITIGATION VALUES OF 3 AND 4.
THIS IS A PHOTO OF THE TREES.
SO AS YOU GUYS LOOK AT THE PHOTO ON THE LEFT, THAT IS A
FAR-OUT PHOTO OF HOW THE TREES ARE INTERACTING WITH THE
HOUSE CURRENTLY.
ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS A CLOSE-UP.
YOU CAN SEE THE TWO TRUNKS, ONE THAT LEANS TOWARD THE HOME
AND THE ONE THAT IS MORE UPRIGHT.
THIS IS THE SITE AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS.
YOU CAN SEE THE TWO STORY HOME AND THEN THE DRIVEWAY AND
TREES ARE OFF TO THAT RIGHT SIDE.
42 AND 43 SHOWN ON THE SURVEY.
THIS IS OPTION ONE.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED PLAN THAT INCLUDES A TWO-STORY GARAGE
AND AN ADDITION TO THE REAR.
THE TREES ARE LOCATED IN THAT FRONT RIGHT CORNER.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY FALL WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE
GARAGE.
THIS IS ALTERNATIVE SITE PLAN ONE, WHICH SHOWS NO GARAGE,
BUT THE ADDITION COULD BE COMPLETED AND THE TREES ARE
PRESERVED.
THIS IS ALTERNATIVE TWO, WHICH PUSHES THE GARAGE EVEN BACK
TO WHERE THE ADDITION WAS AND THEN THE DRIVEWAY WOULD BE
EXTENDED OUT WITH THE ADDITION TO THE REAR OF THAT.

THESE ARE THINGS TO CONSIDER WHEN EVALUATING A TREE REMOVAL
VARIANCE.
SOME OF THE THINGS INCLUDED IN MY STAFF REPORT WERE OPTION
TWO AND THREE PRESERVE THE GRAND TREES ON-SITE.
OPTION TWO DOES NOT MEET THE OBJECTIVES OF THE PROPERTY
OWNER.
OPTION THREE SHIFTS THE GARAGE AND THE ROOM ADDITION OUT OF
THE PROTECTIVE RADII OF THE GRAND OAKS.
AND THIS WOULD REQUIRE THE DRIVEWAY TO BE EXPANDED USING
IMPERVIOUS MATERIAL INSTALLED ON GRADE.
AND THEN SOME ADDITIONAL OPTIONS TO EXPLORE, I ASKED THE
APPLICANT TO MAYBE EXPLORE THE OPTIONS OF A PORTE-COCHERE
WHICH WOULD LESSEN THE IMPACTS TO THE TREES BUT STILL
PROVIDE A COVER.
THIS WOULD REDUCE THE IMPACTS TO THE TREES BUT OVERALL
DOESN'T PROVIDE THE SECURE CLOSED GARAGE.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AT ANY POINT.
11:47:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SIR, I WAS WATCHING YOUR TESTIMONY IN
THE BACK.
TWO TREES IN QUESTION?
11:47:06AM >>STEVE EYSTER:
TWO GRAND TREES IN QUESTION THAT ARE
CONNECTED AT THE BASE.
I HAVE SOME PHOTOS, TOO.
11:47:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DID YOU MENTION IF THIS IS AN
APPROPRIATE QUESTION, HOW OLD THOSE TREES ARE?

11:47:16AM >>STEVE EYSTER:
I CANNOT GIVE YOU AN AGE ON THE TREES.
THE BEST WAY TO AGE A TREE IS AFTER IT'S BEEN REMOVED.
11:47:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YEAH, OBVIOUSLY.
11:47:29AM >>STEVE EYSTER:
AS YOU CAN SEE, THESE ARE THE TWO GRAND
TREES IN QUESTION.
IF YOU LOOK TOWARDS THE BOTTOM THERE, RIGHT THERE, YOU CAN
SEE THEY ARE CONNECTED AT THE BASE.
SO IT'S KIND OF, YOU CAN'T TAKE ONE WITHOUT COMPROMISING THE
OTHER.
11:47:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THEY COULD BE A CENTURY OLD BUT WE DON'T
KNOW.
COULD BE 50.
COULD BE 25.
THAT QUESTION HAS NO BASIS THEN.
JUST A GENERALITY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS?
11:48:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN?
11:48:15AM >>STEVE EYSTER:
THIS IS ALTERNATIVE SITE PLAN 2.
YOU CAN SEE THE GARAGE AND THE WHOLE ADDITION HAS BEEN
SHIFTED BACK TO THE REAR -- MORE TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE
PROPERTY.
11:48:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT WAS THE PROBLEM WITH THIS ONE?
11:48:30AM >>STEVE EYSTER:
I DIDN'T SEE A PROBLEM.
THAT'S WHY I WAS INCONSISTENT --

11:48:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APOLOGIZE.
11:48:35AM >>STEVE EYSTER:
NO, YOU'RE GOOD.
THIS IS ALTERNATIVE SITE PLAN TWO WHICH SHOWS THE ADDITION
WITHOUT THE GARAGE.
11:48:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS WAS ALSO ACCEPTABLE.
11:48:47AM >>STEVE EYSTER:
YES.
11:48:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
THAT'S WHERE I MISUNDERSTOOD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:48:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
11:48:57AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
11:49:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WAIT.
WE NEED YOU AT THE MICROPHONE.
11:49:17AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MS. JOHNSON VELEZ, WHAT?
YOU WOULD LIKE ONE OF THESE.
CERTAINLY.
DOES THE PROPERTY OWNER WISH TO HAVE A COPY AS WELL?
11:49:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
YOU ARE THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR M.C. GRAHAM?
11:50:12AM >> YES.
MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
REPRESENTATIVE OF THE AUTHORIZED AGENT FOR M.C. GRAHAM.
HE REFERRED TO SITE PLAN ONE, TWO, THREE.

I LABEL THEM A, B, C.
SAME THING.
FIRST PAGE IS A BLOWUP BECAUSE THE FULL SITE PLAN IS SO HARD
TO SEE.
AS I SAID, MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
THERE WAS A VRB WORKSHOP TWO DAYS AGO.
IT WAS VERY HELPFUL IN CLARIFYING WHAT MUST BE LEGALLY
CONSIDERED FOR THE APPROVAL OF A VARIANCE.
CITY ATTORNEY SUSAN JOHNSON VELEZ EXPLAINED IT PLAINLY.
THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT TO JUSTIFY A VARIANCE IS THAT THERE IS
SOMETHING SO UNIQUE ABOUT THE PROPERTY THAT IT CREATES A
HARDSHIP THAT PROHIBITS REASONABLE USE OF THE PROPERTY.
REASONABLE USE.
NOT EVERY CONCEIVABLE USE WITHOUT LIMITS -- REASONABLE USE.
SHE ACTUALLY USED THE LACK OF A GARAGE AS A SPECIFIC
EXAMPLE.
SHE SAID, IF YOU BUY A HOUSE WITHOUT A GARAGE, YOU CANNOT
SAY MY HARDSHIP IS I DON'T HAVE A GARAGE.
SHE EXPLAINED THAT THE CASE LAW FOR VARIANCES IS THAT THERE
MUST BE SOMETHING UNIQUE ABOUT THE PROPERTY, NOT THE
OCCUPANT OF THE PROPERTY.
IF SOMEONE FEELS THEY MUST HAVE A GARAGE THAT IS UNIQUE TO
THEM AND THEY NEED TO BUY A HOUSE WITH A GARAGE OR BUY A LOT
WHERE THEY CAN BUILD A GARAGE WITHOUT A VARIANCE.
SHE ACTUALLY SAID THAT.

THE LACK OF A GARAGE AND THE TWO GRAND TREES ARE A
CIRCUMSTANCE OF THE PROPERTY, NOT A UNIQUE HARDSHIP OF THE
PROPERTY.
THE LACK OF A GARAGE DOES NOT MEET THE LEGAL STANDARD OF
PROHIBITING REASONABLE USE.
NO ONE IS OWED A GARAGE.
MS. JOHNSON VELEZ FURTHER EXPLAINED THAT IF SOMEONE BUYS A
HOUSE AND THEN SAYS, NOW I WANT A POOL, PATIO, OR GARAGE,
CRAMMING AS MUCH AS YOU WANT ON THAT PROPERTY IS NOT
REASONABLE USE.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THIS DISTINCTION.
MS. JOHNSON VELEZ SAID IT IS ALWAYS THE APPLICANT'S BURDEN
TO PROVE THAT IT IS NOT A SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP THAT IS
PROHIBITING REASONABLE USE OF THEIR PROPERTY.
SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP THAT IS PROHIBITING REASONABLE USE OF
THEIR PROPERTY.
MR. HOUSTON BOUGHT A LOT WITH TWO GRAND TREES AND NO GARAGE.
NOTHING HAS CHANGED SINCE HE BOUGHT THE LOT.
IF THOSE FACTS ARE CREATING A HARDSHIP PROHIBITING
REASONABLE USE OF THE PROPERTY, IT IS A SELF-CREATED
HARDSHIP.
MR. HOUSTON HAS LIVED THERE FOR FIVE AND A HALF YEARS.
THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1992.
PEOPLE HAVE LIVED IN THIS HOUSE FOR THE LAST 32 YEARS.
THAT IS 32 YEARS OF DEMONSTRATED REASONABLE USE OF THIS

PROPERTY.
MR. HOUSTON HAS SAID HE MUST HAVE A TWO CAR GARAGE TO FEEL
SAFE.
THIS MAP SHOWS ONE YEAR'S WORTH OF CRIME.
THIS IS HIS HOUSE.
I WOULD ARGUE THAT THIS MAP SHOWS VERY LITTLE CRIME.
I HAVE NEVER IN MY ENTIRE LIFE LIVED IN A HOUSE WITH A
GARAGE AND I HAVE ALWAYS FELT SAFE IN TAMPA.
BUT THIS MAP ASIDE, I'M NOT GOING TO TELL MR. HOUSTON HOW TO
FEEL.
IF HE FEELS UNSAFE WITHOUT A TWO CAR GARAGE, THEN THAT'S HOW
HE FEELS.
BUT THAT MAKES IT A PERSONAL REQUIREMENT FOR HIM AND LEGALLY
A VARIANCE CANNOT BE GRANTED DUE TO A PERSONAL DESIRE OF THE
CURRENT OWNER.
CASE LAW IS CLEAR THAT A HARDSHIP MUST BE SOMETHING UNIQUE
TO THE PROPERTY, NOT THE OCCUPANT.
IF THE LOT IS NOT BIG ENOUGH TO FULFILL WHATEVER THE OWNER
FEELS HE NEEDS, THEN HE NEEDS TO BUY A BIGGER LOT.
NO ONE IS OWED A POOL.
NO ONE IS OWED A GARAGE.
MR. HOUSTON HAS ALSO SAID THAT A GARAGE MUST BE FLUSH WITH
THE FRONT OF HIS FRONT PORCH IN ORDER TO LOOK NICE.
BESIDES THE FACT THAT THIS IS IRRELEVANT AND CANNOT BE THE
BASIS FOR GRAND TREE REMOVAL, IT IS ALSO UNTRUE.

A PROMINENT GARAGE AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS SO
UNDESIRABLE IT HAS ITS OWN DEROGATORY TERM, A SNOUT HOUSE.
HAVING THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AS THE DOMINANT FEATURE IS SO
DESIRABLE IT IS IN THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY, AND OTHER
BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE OLD HYDE PARK AND OLD NORTHEAST
IN ST. PETE.
REGARDLESS OF THAT PERSONAL TASTE IS NOT LEGAL BASIS FOR
REMOVING GRAND TREES.
LOOK AT THE ALTERNATE PLANS THAT MR. HOUSTON SUBMITTED.
BOTH OF THEM SHOW THAT, IN FACT, WITH REASONABLE
CONFIGURATION BOTH GRAND OAKS CAN BE SAVED AS THE CODE
DICTATES.
PLAN B SHOWS AN ADDITION WITHOUT A GARAGE.
BOOM, THERE IT IS.
CASE CLOSED, NO ONE IS OWED A GARAGE.
PLAN C, IF MR. HOUSTON WANTS A GARAGE, HE CAN HAVE IT.
THIS IS A HUGE LOT.
70 BY 200.
IT'S A THIRD OF AN ACRE.
YOU CAN SEE BY PLAN C THAT HE SUBMITTED HE CAN HAVE A GARAGE
IF HE SLIDES EVERYTHING BACK.
HE CAN STILL HAVE A BIG OVERSIZED YARD FOR HIS KIDS TO PLAY
IN.
11:55:20AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SEE THE WHEEL.
11:55:24AM >> IS THAT BETTER?

ANYHOW, YOU CAN SEE THAT EVEN SLIDING THIS BACK, HE STILL
HAS THIS HUGE YARD FOR HIS CHILDREN TO PLAY IN.
HE SAYS HE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE OUT OTHER OAKS, BUT THE SURVEY
SHOWS THAT ISN'T TRUE.
THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH SPACE FOR BOTH OF THE OAKS CLOSEST
TO THE ADDITION.
IT MIGHT BE EASIER TO SEE THEM ON HERE.
IF YOU LOOK ON PLAN C, THESE ARE THE OTHER OAKS ALL THE WAY
BACK HERE.
EVEN WITH THE ADDITION, THESE TWO OAKS ARE FAR ENOUGH WAY
THAT THERE'S NO PROBLEM.
THEY WILL NOT HAVE TO BE REMOVED.
THE OWNER HAS SAID HE MUST HAVE A TWO-CAR GARAGE.
EVEN IF HE GETS THE VARIANCE, WHAT IS SHOWN IS NOT A TWO-CAR
GARAGE.
IT IS AN OVERSIZED ONE-CAR GARAGE.
IT IS NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR TWO CARS IF HE WANTS TO OPEN THE
DOORS.
THE PLAN SAYS THE EXTERIOR OF THE GARAGE IS 21 FEET, 9
INCHES.
THAT MEANS THE INTERIOR IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS, ABOUT 20
FEET.
I WAS AT THE CITY COUNCIL HEARING WHERE TRANSPORTATION
ENGINEER JONATHAN SCOTT SAID THE INTERIOR OF A TWO-CAR
GARAGE MUST BE AT LEAST 24 FEET WIDE.

HE SAID IF IT IS LESS THAN THAT, YOU CAN ONLY FIT TWO CARS
INTO IT IF YOU CLIMB OUT OF THE WINDOWS.
THAT MEANS THE PLAN SHOWS ONLY ENOUGH ROOM FOR ONE CAR TO
PARK IN THE GARAGE.
MR. HOUSTON'S PLAN A IS TO CREATE AN ENTRANCE BY CUTTING A
HOLE IN THE EXTERIOR WALL OF THE KITCHEN AND BUILDING A
CONNECTING HALLWAY TO THE ADDITION.
WITH A LITTLE TWEAKING, HE CAN STILL DO THAT BY EXTENDING
THE HALLWAY RIGHT HERE.
IT WILL TAKE UP A LITTLE BIT OF THE GARAGE, BUT THE GARAGE
WILL STILL BE A BIG ONE AND A HALF CAR GARAGE, OR HE CAN
MOVE THE DOOR.
BUT HE ONLY MENTIONED THESE TO SHOW THAT HE HAS LOTS OF
OPTIONS.
DO NOT MAKE THE MISTAKE OF GETTING CAUGHT IN THE TRAP OF
DESIGNING THE HOUSE FOR HIM.
IT'S NOT MY JOB AND IT'S NOT YOUR JOB.
WE ARE NOT ARCHITECTS AND THE LAW DOES NOT EXPECT US TO
DESIGN HIS ADDITION.
HE HAS A THIRD OF AN ACRE.
200-FOOT DEEP LOT, IF HE FEELS HE MUST HAVE A GARAGE THEN
ANY ARCHITECT CAN FIGURE OUT PLENTY OF WAYS TO GIVE HIM ONE
WITHOUT A VARIANCE.
THERE IS AN ARCHITECT ON THE VRB WHO SAID EXACTLY THAT WHEN
SHE VOTED TO DENY THIS VARIANCE.

I HONESTLY THINK THE ONLY REASON THIS WAS APPROVED IS
BECAUSE THE VRB MEMBERS WHO I REMIND YOU ARE ALL UNPAID
VOLUNTEERS DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE LEGAL PARAMETERS BEFORE
LAST TUESDAY'S WORKSHOP.
THEY DID NOT UNDERSTAND THAT NO ONE IS OWED A GARAGE AND THE
LACK OF ONE IS NOT LEGAL GROUNDS FOR APPROVING THE REMOVAL
OF TWO GRAND TREES.
THE OWNER WANTS EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTS AND HE ONLY WANTS IT
IN ONE PLACE, RIGHT ON TOP OF TWO GRAND LIVE OAKS THAT ARE
42 INCHES AND 47 INCHES IN DIAMETER.
IF YOU PLANT TWO LIVE OAKS TOMORROW, NO ONE IN THIS ROOM
WILL LIVE TO SEE THEM REACH THIS SIZE.
IF THEY ARE LEFT ALONE, THE TWO GRAND OAKS WILL STILL BE
THERE FOR THE NEXT OWNER AND THE NEXT AND THE NEXT,
BENEFITING THE ENTIRE CITY LONG AFTER WE ARE ALL GONE.
I WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL THAT TAMPA'S TREE CANOPY SHRUNK TO
A CRITICAL LEVEL.
I WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT SOUTH TAMPA'S TREE CANOPY HAS
SHRUNK MORE THAN ANY OTHER PART OF THE CITY.
YOU CAN SEE HERE IN FIVE YEARS, SOUTH TAMPA LOST 6% OF ITS
CANOPY.
AND THIS IS WHY.
THIS MAP WAS IN A 2022 TAMPA BAY TIMES ARTICLE.
IT SHOWS THE HOUSES BULLDOZED IN SOUTH TAMPA.
MOST OF THEM WERE SMALL, MODEST HOMES.

THEY HAVE BEEN REPLACED WITH McMANSIONS BUILT ALL THE WAY
TO THE SETBACKS LEAVING NO ROOM FOR TREES.
ALMOST EVERY DOT ON THIS MAP REPRESENTS THE LOSS OF CRITICAL
TREES THAT THE WHOLE CITIES NEEDS FOR COOLING, FLOOD
MITIGATION, OXYGEN, REDUCTION OF STORMWATER RUNOFF.
THESE TREES HAVE A HIGH DOLLAR VALUE TO THE CITY.
THESE TREES ARE SOLID GOLD INFRASTRUCTURE FOR US ALL.
LIVE OAKS ALONE, $953,000 A YEAR IN SAVINGS TO THIS CITY.
THE STRUCTURAL VALUE OF LIVE OAKS IS HIGHER THAN ANY OTHER
SPECIES OF TREE IN THE CITY.
THEY ARE THE WORKHORSES FOR OUR CITY.
THIS IS THE CARBON SEQUESTRATION IN ONE YEAR.
LIVE OAKS DO MORE FOR THE CITY THAN ANY OTHER TREE.
THE STAFF REPORT FOUND THIS VARIANCE INCONSISTENT, AND I ASK
TO YOU FIND IT INCONSISTENT ALSO AND TO SAVE THESE TWO
PRESERVATION QUALITY GRAND LIVE OAKS WHICH ARE THE MOST
VALUABLE TREES IN OUR CITY.
I WANT TO SHOW YOU THEY ARE THE RAREST TREES.
YOU CAN SEE THE LIGHT GREEN IS THE PERCENTAGE OF TREES.
YOU CAN SEE HOW IT'S LOWER.
THE DARK GREEN IS THE PERCENTAGE OF LEAF AREA.
YOU CAN SEE THAT IT HAS THE HIGHEST LEAF AREA.
BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE ONLY 3% OF OUR TREES, THEY DO
THE MAJORITY OF THE WORK FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL OF US.
NO ONE IS OWED A GARAGE.

THANK YOU.
12:00:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL BEFORE I GO TO MR.
HOUSTON?
NO.
ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. HOUSTON, YOU ARE UP NEXT.
YOU HAVE 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT YOUR CASE AND FROM THERE WE
GO TO CROSS-EXAMINATION, IF NEEDED.
YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:00:54PM >> JUSTIN HOUSTON.
TO CITY COUNCIL AND OUR CITIZENS WHO HAVE SHOWN UP TODAY,
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING THIS MORNING ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK
TO YOU AGAIN ABOUT OUR TREE REMOVAL REQUEST.
I WANT TO THANK THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD FOR PREVIOUSLY
APPROVING THIS REQUEST IN OCTOBER.
TO BE CLEAR, I WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT I HAVE FOLLOWED
THE ORDINANCE AND THE RULES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROCEDURE.
I HAVE NOT TAKEN DOWN ANY TREES.
THIRD-PARTY FOLKS ARE SEEMINGLY ATTACKING ME RATHER THAN
TRYING TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE.
THIS COUNCIL AT THIS MOMENT IS SITTING AS AN ADJUDICATORY
BOARD, NOT A POLICY-MAKING BOARD IN THIS MOMENT.

NOW IS NOT THE TIME FOR REWRITING POLICY BUT RATHER
AFFIRMING THE VRB'S DECISION.
IF THESE GROUPS WANT TO ACHIEVE THEIR GOALS, POLICY-MAKING
PATHS TO ACHIEVE THIS.
AND ATTACKING A LIFELONG TAMPANIAN TRYING TO PROVIDE FOR HIS
FAMILY SEEMS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.
MS. BENNETT, SHE IS NOT THE APPLICANT.
SHE IS A THIRD PARTY NON-ATTORNEY REPRESENTING A HOMEOWNER
WHO MAY NOT BE PRESENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF SHE IS PRESENT OR NOT.
WE MUST FOCUS ON ACTUAL LANGUAGE IN ORDINANCE, NOT A
WORKSHOP COMMENTARY.
WE MUST FOCUS ON THE LANGUAGE, NOT AN UNSELECTED PERSON'S
COMMENTARY.
THIS IS NOT A LEGAL OPINION.
BUT HEARSAY FROM A WORKSHOP THAT WAS OFFERED PREVIOUSLY.
TREES PLANTED TODAY WILL BE FULL IN 40 YEARS.
HOPEFULLY I'LL BE ALIVE WHEN THEY ARE STILL GROWING.
WITH THAT SAID, I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE VARYING PERSPECTIVES
ABOUT THE REMOVAL OF THESE PROTECTED OAK TREES.
I UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE BOTH SIDES OF THAT ARGUMENT.
I THOUGHT ABOUT THE PEOPLE DIRECTLY IMPACTED WITH THIS
DECISION AND THE VRB'S APPROVAL.
ALL FOUR OF MY NEIGHBORS THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED, HOOKER,
PASTORE, RILEY, BROCCO, HAVE APPROVED THE TREES BEING

REMOVED.
THEY EVEN SENT LETTERS OF SUPPORT THAT I'VE SUBMITTED TO THE
CITY CLERK'S OFFICE THAT MS. JOHNSON HAS RECEIVED.
I'VE ALSO SUBMITTED LETTERS FROM ADDITIONAL NEIGHBORS IN
SUPPORT OF.
PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT NO ONE IS OBLIGATED TO WRITE A LETTER
ON MY BEHALF, YET THEY DID SO, IN SUPPORT OF THE TREES BEING
REMOVED.
THESE FOLKS SHARE A FENCE WITH ME.
I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT ONE OUT OF 53 NEIGHBORS FILED
A PETITION TO APPEAL THE VRB'S DECISION.
ONE OUT OF 53.
EVERYBODY ELSE ASSOCIATED WITH SOME ASSOCIATION.
SO ONE OUT OF THE 53 WITHIN 250 FEET OF MY PERIMETER HAVE
FILED AN APPEAL.
THE OTHER FOLKS -- WENT OVER THAT.
FOR CLARITY, THE PURPOSES FOR THIS ADDITION AND SAFETY -- IS
SAFETY AND SECURITY.
I HAD AN ANKLE REPLACEMENT ON DECEMBER 14, 2021, AND NOW MY
SECOND NEXT SURGERY TO REPAIR A HERNIATED DISK IN LATE
SEPTEMBER 2023.
I HAVE SIX SCREWS AND A PLATE HOLDING MULTIPLE DISKS
TOGETHER.
I SHOWED UP TO THIS HEARING THE FIRST TIME WITH A CERVICAL
COLLAR ON AS I WAS APPROXIMATELY TWO WEEKS OUT OF SURGERY

BECAUSE OF THE IMPORTANCE THAT THIS IS TO MY FAMILY.
HAVING OUR VEHICLES IN A GARAGE WOULD HELP ALLEVIATE A LOT
OF STRESS FOR ME PHYSICALLY AS I'M NO LONGER PROFICIENT IN
NAVIGATING SLIPPERY SURFACES BECAUSE OF MY ANKLES.
PHYSICIAN NOTE ON FILE AT WORK TO WEAR TENNIS SHOES BECAUSE
MOST PROFESSIONALS HAVE TO WEAR DRESS SHOES.
I CANNOT RUN AS IT RISKS DESTROYING MY ARTIFICIAL ANKLE.
I SAY THIS AS IT RELATES TO SECURITY AND HAVING TO GO
OUTDOORS EVERY TIME TO GET IN THE CAR TO TRAVEL FOR ANY
REASON.
FOR ME TO HAVE A BEDROOM ON THE FIRST FLOOR, PART OF THE
ADDITION, ALLEVIATE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PHYSICAL STRESS
I GO THROUGH.
CONTRARY TO MY APPEARANCE, IT IS IMPORTANT TO YOU TO KNOW
THAT I ENGAGE IN PHYSICAL REHAB FIVE TO SIX DAYS A WEEK OVER
AN HOUR AT A TIME.
I AM OWNING MY PHYSICAL CAPABILITIES AND TRYING TO IMPROVE
SHORTCOMINGS, NOT AVOIDING THEM.
IN TERMS OF SECURITY, WE, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CONTINUE TO DEAL
WITH FOLKS COMING THROUGH AND ATTEMPTING TO BREAK INTO
VEHICLES.
THE LAST TIME I SPOKE TO YOU I MENTIONED THIS AND OVER THE
HOLIDAYS, MY CAR WAS LEFT UNLOCK AND MY BELONGINGS WERE
RUMMAGED THROUGH.
CASH AND COINS WERE TAKEN.

MAYBE THAT DOESN'T MEAN MUCH TO YOU.
SECURITY MEASURE TO ME, MAYBE MY FAULT FOR NOT LOCKING MY
CAR, BUT IT HAPPENED.
I WAS ASKED IF I BROUGHT A POLICE REPORT ABOUT CRIME LAST
TIME.
I DID NOT AND I'M NOT BRINGING ONE THIS TIME EITHER.
THOUGH I DID NOT REPORT THIS, IT IS REAL, AND IT WOULD NOT
HAPPEN IN A GARAGE.
AS FOR MY WIFE, SHE GOES TO THE GYM ALMOST EVERY WEEKDAY
MORNING OF THE MONTH TO STAY PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY
HEALTHY.
SHE IS UP AROUND 4 A.M. AND OUT BEFORE 5 A.M.
I CONTINUE TO ESCORT HER IN THE MORNINGS THOUGH SHE IS IN
BETTER SHAPE THAN I AM, ALSO REITERATE THE FACT THAT THERE
ARE SNAKES, RACCOONS, POSSUMS ON OUR PROPERTY AT ALL TIMES.
A TWO CAR GARAGE WOULD ELIMINATE THE FEAR OF DEALING WITH
THESE ANIMALS ON THE DAILY.
WE DON'T HARM THE ANIMALS.
WE LIVE WITH THEM.
AS WE MOVE ON, IT IS IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE MY CONCERN
REGARDING THE TREATMENT I RECEIVED FROM THE FOLKS THAT ARE
NOT MY NEIGHBORS THAT ARE IN THIS ROOM.
THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE I WAS REFERRED TO AS SELFISH,
IGNORANT AND STUPID.
PLEASE REMEMBER THIS, I AM NOT A CONTRACTOR WHO IS TRYING TO

BUILD MULTI-RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
THIS IS NOT FOR MONETARY GAIN.
I BELIEVE IN THE CONSTRUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS AND CIVIL
DISCOURSE, SO I'M NOT GOING TO BE -- I'M NOT GOING TO
ENTERTAIN THE IDEA OF SOMEONE ACTUALLY BELIEVING THAT I AM
STUPID, SELFISH AND IGNORANT.
I'VE BEEN A TEACHER FOR 20 YEARS.
FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH AS A TEACHER, I GET TWO PERSONAL DAYS A
YEAR AND I'M USING ONE TO BE WITH YOU TODAY.
I DID LEAVE MY SIXTH GRADE DAUGHTER'S PLAY TODAY AS WELL TO
BE HERE.
I'M A PRODUCT OF THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA AND HOLD AN
UNDERGRADUATE AND GRADUATE DEGREE FROM THAT INCREDIBLE
INSTITUTION.
ALSO HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THE TAMPA COMMUNITY AS LITTLE
LEAGUE COACH IN INTERBAY LITTLE LEAGUE, ALSO COACH TAMPA BAY
LITTLE LEAGUE AND PALMA CEIA LITTLE LEAGUE AND COACH A FLAG
FOOTBALL AT UNDERARMOR RISE WITH KIDS FROM ACROSS THE CITY
ON IT.
I PERFORMED INTERNSHIPS AT LETO AND JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL.
I COACH VARSITY BASEBALL, POP CUESTA, JEFFERSON LEGENDARY
BASEBALL COACH FOR THREE YEARS.
I WORKED AT LA SEGUNDA CENTRAL BAKERY FOR TONY MOORE, THE
LATE GREAT TONY MOORE, AND DELIVERED BREAD FOR HIM 5:30
EVERY MORNING WHILE AT USF.

IN THE AFTERNOONS I WORKED AS WAITER AND COOK AT LEE ROY
SELMON'S.
MY POINT, EVERYTHING I KNOW, EVERYTHING I'VE LEARNED, AND
EVERYTHING I DO IS ABOUT THE PEOPLE AND CHILDREN OF TAMPA.
YES, SELFISH, IGNORANT, STUPID, THAT'S ME.
THAT'S WHAT SOME PEOPLE WANT YOU TO BELIEVE.
WHAT IS IMPORTANT FOR ME TO CONVEY TO YOU, I AM A PRODUCT OF
TAMPA AND AN ACTIVE MEMBER IN THIS COMMUNITY.
I'VE BEEN A PART OF PEDIATRIC CANCER FOUNDATION, THE FIRST
TEE, ART RESOLUTION THERAPY.
I'VE WORKED WITH CITY COUNCIL, EVEN GET A STOP SIGN AT
RUSSELL AND BAY, THE INTERSECTION WHERE I LIVE FOR THE
SAFETY OF CHILDREN.
YOU HAVE HEARD THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS TO BUILD OUR
ADDITION.
THERE ARE.
I RECOGNIZE THAT AND REITERATE THAT NO MATTER WHAT SOMEONE
TELLS YOU TO DO, TREES ARE GOING TO COME DOWN.
FRANKLY, I FILED AN EXCEPTION FOR OUR DRIVEWAY DESIGN THAT
ALLOWS US TO KEEP TREES UPRIGHT.
I DON'T WANT TO CUT THEM DOWN.
ALSO DON'T WANT TO PUT AN ADDITION ON A HOUSE THAT LEAVES A
GAP AND LOOKS COMICAL AND SERVES AS AN EYESORE TO THE
BALLAST POINT COMMUNITY AND MY NEIGHBORS.
FULL TRANSPARENCY, THAT'S WHAT IS ASKED OF US AND NOT

APPROPRIATE.
WE HAVE NUMEROUS OAK TREES IN OUR BACKYARD AND KEEP THEM
WHERE THEY ARE.
THEY ARE BIG, STRONG AND BEAUTIFUL.
FORCING US TO REDESIGN PLANS AND BUILD ELSEWHERE WILL COST
US MORE MONEY AND THE ENVIRONMENT MORE TREES AND THIS IS OUR
FOREVER HOME.
NOBODY ELSE'S.
WHAT IS THE CATCH?
THE PICTURES I'LL SHARE WITH YOU SOON WILL TELL THE FULL
TRUTH.
THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE, THE TREE ADVOCACY GROUP AND A
REPRESENTATIVE, MAYBE JUST A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE CITY OF
TAMPA, ONLY DISPLAYED A TREE BRANCH FROM ONE OF THE GRAND
OAKS THAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED.
IT SHOWED A BRANCH THAT HUNG IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE.
ALSO SEEN DIFFERENT PICTURES TODAY AND I HAVE SOME TO SHOW
YOU.
MY OPINION, THIS IS A MISREPRESENTATION OF THE FULL TRUTH.
I'M GOING TO PROVE TO YOU WHY.
YOU WILL SEE A HOW MANY THOUSAND POUND BRANCH HANGING OVER
MY ROOF.
EXTENDS THE WIDTH OF THE HOUSE, WHEN IT COMES DOWN IN A
HURRICANE, GOD FORBID, MY KIDS' LIVES ARE IN JEOPARDY AS IS
MY WIFE, MINE, AND MY DOGS.

ADDITIONAL PICTURES WILL DEMONSTRATE HOW FAR OVER MY
NEIGHBOR'S POOL THE TREE HANGS AND MY OTHER NEIGHBOR'S YARD
SO CLOSE TO THE HOUSE.
THE NEXT PICTURE WILL SHOW YOU LARGE BRANCHES HAD TO ALREADY
BE CUT DOWN BECAUSE THEY WERE WATERLOGGED AND FELL.
THEN I'LL SHOW YOU WHERE A TREE WAS MOVED BEFORE I EVEN
MOVED IN.
HERE ARE THE PICTURES.
CAN YOU GUYS SEE THAT?
12:09:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT'S SMALL.
ZOOM IN ON IT.
12:09:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SIR, THERE IS A GREEN WHEEL UP ON TOP.
GO THE OTHER DIRECTION.
12:09:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THIS BRANCH IS HANGING OVER --
12:09:48PM >> SO THAT BRANCH IS DIRECTLY OVER THE SECOND STORY OF MY
HOUSE.
DIRECTLY OVER.
THE SMALL BRANCHES ARE ALREADY RESTING ON THE ROOF.
WHEN THE WIND BLOWS REAL HARD AND STARTS SHAKING, YOU CAN
HEAR THE SCRATCHING.
THIS PICTURE IS MORE ACCURATE OF A PICTURE.
THAT IS THE FRONT OF OUR HOUSE.
YOU CAN SEE THESE TREES LEANING AND THE BRANCH I SHOWED YOU
IS CLOSER AND OVER THE ROOF.
12:10:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THESE TREES THAT YOU ARE SHOWING ARE THE

TREES IN QUESTION?
12:10:20PM >> YES, SIR.
THAT BRANCH I SHOWED YOU ORIGINALLY THAT'S IT, EXTENDING ALL
THE WAY OVER MY HOUSE.
THE WINDOW YOU SEE ON THE LEFT, TWO OF MY CHILDREN LIVE IN
BUNK BEDS IN THAT ROOM.
SO WHEN IT COMES DOWN, THEY ARE THE FIRST -- THEY ARE IN
LINE.
THAT IS A PICTURE FROM DIRECTLY UNDER THE TREE BRANCH THAT'S
HANGING OVER.
THAT IS WHERE A BRANCH WAS CUT DOWN.
THAT IS HANGING OVER MY NEIGHBOR'S POOL ALL THE WAY ACROSS
THE STREET AND ALMOST GETTING TO THEIR HOUSE.
THAT IS ANOTHER VIEW OF IT.
THAT'S RIGHT ABOVE IT.
AND THAT'S FROM MY BACKYARD, JUST SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THAT
BRANCH IS DOING.
THIS, AGAIN, THAT IS ACTUALLY GOING INTO MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE
TO THE EAST.
AGAIN, SIDE VIEW OF THAT GIGANTIC BRANCH HANGING OVER MY
HOUSE.
THOSE ARE THE PICTURES I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU JUST SO
YOU GET A REAL-LIFE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH
RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEEN REPRESENTED APPROPRIATELY.

AND TO BE CLEAR, MY FAMILY AND I LOVE NATURE, AND WE LOVE
BALLAST POINT, LOVE IT.
THE TREE REMOVAL AND SUBSEQUENT HOME ADDITION WILL ONLY HELP
BEAUTIFY THIS PRESSURE AREA WE CALL HOME.
NO ONE WANTS TO SEE A HOME ADDITION THAT APPEARS TO BE A
BAND-AID APPROACH.
WE CREATED PLANS THAT WOULD MAKE OUR NEIGHBORS PROUD.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, THESE PLANS WILL MAKE OUR CHILDREN PROUD
AND GREAT CITY OF TAMPA PROUD.
FOR A KID WHO GREW UP ON BUSCH AND 27th IN SULPHUR SPRINGS
AT ONE TIME WHO LIVED GREAT AUNT, UNCLE AND MOM IN A TINY
HOUSE, ATE FREE LUNCH AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, NOT SURE IF
THOSE ARE STILL THE NAMES, WHO ESSENTIALLY HAD NOTHING, I
STAND HERE BEFORE YOU AS A PROUD TAMPA NATIVE, PROUD FATHER,
PROUD EDUCATOR, AND A PROUD COACH WHO CONTINUES TO WORK HARD
TO CHANGE THE TRAJECTORY OF MY FAMILY.
THIS ADDITION WILL PROVE TO MY CHILDREN THAT HARD WORK,
PERSEVERANCE AND GRIT, WHICH IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE
OPPORTUNITY AS OPPOSED TO DEAD ENDS IS REAL.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, MY FAMILY WILL CONTINUE TO UNDERSTAND MY
LEVEL OF CONCERN WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR SAFETY AND THE
SAFETY OF OUR ASSETS, OUR HOME, THE MITOCHONDRIA OF EVERY
FAMILY DYNAMIC.
SAFEST PLACE FOR KIDS TO LEARN, GROW AND LEARN WHO THEY WANT
TO BE.

HOME IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE SAFE HAVEN WHERE THE HEART IS.
PHYSICALLY SPEAKING, REMOVAL OF THE TREES WILL PROVIDE US
WITH A MUCH SAFER SITUATION.
AS I STATED DURING OUR HEARING IN OCTOBER, SAFETY IS A RIGHT
AND NOT A WANT.
TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS SPOKEN IN A VERY
DEMOCRATIC WAY.
ONE OUT OF 53 HAVE FILED AN APPEAL AND SHE IS NOT AFFECTED
BY THIS TREE AS SHE LIVES ON A DIFFERENT STREET.
NUMEROUS NEIGHBORS HAVE FILED LETTERS OF SUPPORT WHICH I
BELIEVE YOU ALL HAVE.
THE OTHER FOLKS ONLY INVOLVED AS MEMBERS OF AN ASSOCIATION
AND DO NOT LIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
TO THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD, I WANT TO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR
APPROVING THIS BACK IN EARLY OCTOBER AND TO CITY COUNCIL,
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND LEADERSHIP.
12:13:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU A FEW QUESTIONS, BUT YOU JUST
ANSWERED THEM.
OUT OF 53 NEIGHBORS -- AND THIS IS NOT EVIDENCE.
THIS IS WHAT YOU SAID -- 53, ONE FILED A GRIEVANCE HERE.
12:13:44PM >> I BELIEVE M.C. GRAHAM.
12:13:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO, I UNDERSTAND.
THE PERSON THAT FILED THE GRIEVANCE IS NOT NEXT DOOR TO YOU
OR AFFECTED BY THIS TREE.

12:13:53PM >> ON ELKIN.
I DON'T KNOW IF SHE IS PRESENT IN THE ROOM.
12:13:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT'S NOT EVIDENCE, THAT IS JUST WHAT
YOU SAID GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL THING, THE VARIANCE
REVIEW BOARD APPROVED THIS.
12:14:06PM >> APPROVED 4-2.
12:14:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
UNTIL IT WAS CHALLENGED, UNTIL SOMEBODY
CAME AS AN AGGRIEVED PARTY.
12:14:12PM >> YES, SIR, THAT'S CORRECT.
12:14:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LETTERS OF SUPPORT, THAT'S NOT COMPETENT
SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
WE HAVE LETTERS FROM BOTH SIDES.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING IN ORDER.
12:14:24PM >> I WOULD JUST ASK TO LOOK AT THE LETTERS FROM NEIGHBORS
WITHIN 250 FEET.
12:14:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO, NO.
I APPRECIATE IT.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CODE.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:14:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE ARBORIST.
HE SHOWED SOME PHOTOS OF THE TREE.
CAN YOU TALK TO US ABOUT THE HEALTH OF THE TREE?
12:14:52PM >> YES.

BOTH OF THESE LIVE OAKS ARE GRAND IN SIZE, MEANING OVER 32
INCHES AND BOTH PRESERVATION QUALITY WHICH IS C-8.
LIVE OAKS DO TEND TO HAVE SPRAWLING CANOPIES DUE TO AGE, DUE
TO JUST THEIR GROWTH STRUCTURE.
LIVE OAKS ARE ALSO ONE OF THE HIGHEST RATED TREES IN THE
FLORIDA COMMUNITY FOR HURRICANES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS
ACTUALLY PROVIDING BUFFERS FOR HOMES COMPARED TO DAMAGING
HOMES.
AND THAT WAS RESEARCH DONE BY UF.
12:15:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT BUT CAN YOU EXPLAIN
WHAT C-8 MEANS?
12:15:28PM >>STEVE EYSTER:
IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE CITY OF TAMPA
RATING SYSTEM, YOU HAVE A THROUGH F.
A IS EXCELLENT.
F IS DEAD.
C IS KIND OF THAT MIDDLE RANGE.
TO GET THE NUMBER, YOU HAVE THREE COMPONENTS.
YOU HAVE A TARGET RATING, WHICH THIS ONE WOULD HAVE A
CONSTANT TARGET, WHICH IS A 4.
SO THE OTHER FOUR POINTS ARE BETWEEN THE OTHER TWO
CATEGORIES.
SO THERE COULD BE TWO POINTS IN EACH CATEGORY, AND THAT
TALKS ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF LIKE A LIMB FAILURE, SAY IF A
LIMB IS TEN INCHES IN DIAMETER, IT COMES WITH A 2 RATING.
THAT'S HOW THE RATING IS COMPOSED.

TAKE AWAY THE TARGET, WHICH IS FOUR POINTS, YOU'RE LEFT WITH
FOUR MORE POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN CONTRIBUTED ACROSS THE OTHER
TWO CATEGORIES.
SO ON THE LOWER, SAY, IF YOU HAVE ONE THROUGH FOUR, YOU KNOW
THEY ARE IN THE TOP HALF OF THAT RATING SYSTEM.
12:16:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT'S A HEALTHY TREE.
12:16:24PM >>STEVE EYSTER:
IT'S A HEALTHY TREE.
12:16:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
YES, MA'AM.
12:16:28PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU, CHAIR.
THE LARGE BRANCH IN TERMS OF, CAN YOU SPEAK ABOUT A BRANCH
OF THAT NATURE WHEN IT COMES TO WEATHER, THE LIKELIHOOD,
WHAT WOULD IT HAVE TO TAKE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO COME
DOWN?
12:16:46PM >>STEVE EYSTER:
DEALING WITH TREES, THEY ARE BIOLOGICAL.
SOME THINGS DO HAPPEN.
WITH REGULAR MAINTENANCE AND PRUNING AND MANAGEMENT OF THE
TREE, YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A HEALTHY LIMB THAT SHOULD LAST
THROUGH A STORM BASED OFF RESEARCH.
12:17:03PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COULD YOU POSSIBLY PREDICT 30 YEARS AGO,
WAS THAT BRANCH ALREADY EXTENDED TO A CERTAIN DEGREE?
12:17:12PM >>STEVE EYSTER:
I CAN'T.
I CAN TELL YOU MOST LIKELY FIVE YEARS AGO THAT LIMB WAS
PROBABLY THERE.
THOSE LIMBS -- THEY ARE NOT POPPING UP OVERNIGHT KIND OF

SITUATION.
SO THE STRUCTURE OF THAT TREE WITH THE OTHER TREES AROUND
IT, IT PROBABLY HAS HAD THAT GROWTH.
SO THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN '92.
SO THAT LIMB WAS PROBABLY MAYBE NOT QUITE THERE WHEN THE
HOUSE WAS BUILT BECAUSE IT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN
REMOVED.
BETWEEN '92 AND NOW, IF I HAD TO JUST PUT A TIME FRAME ON IT
FOR THAT LIMB TO GROW IN THAT MANNER, BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF
GROWN UP AND OVER THE HOUSE, SO I'M ASSUMING THE HOUSE WAS
THERE.
12:17:53PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR SUSAN JOHNSON VELEZ.
12:18:05PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I JUST WANT TO ASK IN THE SAME
CONVERSATION --
12:18:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT'S STILL HER TURN.
SHE WANTS SUSAN JOHNSON VELEZ.
12:18:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
SUSAN JOHNSON VELEZ.
12:18:17PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MS. JOHNSON VELEZ, IN TERMS OF VRB, ANY
TREE IN TAMPA CAN HANG OVER A HOUSE AND BE ACCEPTABLE.
IS THAT HOW I'M UNDERSTANDING IT?
12:18:35PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
WELL, I THINK YOU --
12:18:38PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IN TERMS OF LIVE OAKS.
12:18:40PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
LEGAL DEPARTMENT, YES.

STEVEN CAN ADDRESS THAT.
THEY DO GROW IN ALL KINDS OF DIRECTIONS.
IF THERE IS A HOME THERE, IT SOMETIMES WILL GROW ONE WAY
BECAUSE OF THE HOME, ET CETERA.
I DID HEAR SOME COMMENTARY OR PERHAPS SUGGESTING THAT THE
TREE WAS A SAFETY CONCERN.
AGAIN THAT'S NOT THE PROCESS THAT YOU FOLLOW IF THERE IS A
SAFETY CONCERN IS TO GO TO THE VRB.
THE VRB IS A SEPARATE PROCESS TO DETERMINE HARDSHIP AND
WHETHER IT WAS SELF-CREATED AND ALL THOSE CRITERIA THAT ARE
IN THE CODE.
THAT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WAS ADDRESSED AT THE VRB HEARING.
IT WAS MORE THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA.
12:19:14PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
12:19:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:19:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IN FACT, WHAT I WAS GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT
WAS THE SAME THING.
THE BIG BRANCH WE SEE IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, COULD DAMAGE
THE HOUSE.
WHAT HAPPENS IF THAT BRANCH IS DIMINISHED AND TAKEN OFF?
12:19:27PM >>STEVE EYSTER:
CURRENTLY THAT BRANCH IS ONE OF THE MAIN
LIMBS OF THE TREE.
YOU CAN MANAGE IT, LIKE SLOWLY REDUCE IT AND TRY TO REDUCE
THE RISK OF THE LIMB.
BUT IF WE DECIDED EVERY TREE WITH A LIMB OVER A STRUCTURE IS

UNSAFE OR NEEDS TO BE REMOVED --
12:19:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M NOT ASKING ABOUT --
12:19:49PM >>STEVE EYSTER:
YOU CAN MANAGE, REDUCE.
12:19:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THEY ALL HAVE A ROOT AND ALL HAVE
BRANCHES.
THAT'S THE SAME.
BUT IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION, WHAT WOULD IT DO TO THE
CANOPY OF THE TREE IF THAT BRANCH WAS REMOVED?
12:20:02PM >>STEVE EYSTER:
IF YOU REMOVE THE BRANCH, WHAT IT WOULD DO
IS CAUSE THE SMALLER GROWTHS TO APPEAR FROM THE CUT AS A WAY
FOR THE TREE TO COMPENSATE FOR THE REMOVED CANOPY.
THOSE SPROUTS THAT ARE GOING TO GROW FROM THAT ARE GOING TO
HAVE A WEAKER CONNECTION AND ACTUALLY BE MORE HAZARDOUS THAN
WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE, THAT THE TREE IS NATURALLY
SUPPORTING OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS.
12:20:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AT THIS TIME, WE WILL HAVE CROSS-EXAMINATION.
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND WHO DO YOU WISH TO
CROSS-EXAMINE?
THE GENTLEMAN, MR. HOUSTON?
12:20:43PM >> MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
12:20:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU DON'T HAVE TO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO.
JUST GOING BY THE CHART.
12:20:51PM >> I WANT TO ASK MR. EYSTER SOMETHING.
12:20:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.

12:20:56PM >> CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
IT'S TRUE IF THERE IS A SAFETY CONCERN ABOUT THE TREE, THE
CITY HAS A PROCESS FOR DEALING WITH THAT AND THAT IS TO
APPLY FOR HAZARDOUS TREE REMOVAL, IS THAT CORRECT?
12:21:07PM >>STEVE EYSTER:
THAT IS CORRECT.
12:21:09PM >> DOES THIS TREE RATE FOR HAZARDOUS TREE REMOVAL?
12:21:14PM >> CURRENTLY, NO, IT DOES NOT.
[INAUDIBLE]
12:21:17PM >> I HEARD YOU TESTIFY BEFORE ABOUT LIVE OAKS THAT THEY TEND
TO DO THAT AND THEY GROW ACCORDINGLY WITH THE ROOTS, IS THEY
COMPENSATE, THEY GROW A STRENGTH OF STRUCTURE ON THE SIDE TO
COMPENSATE FOR THAT.
12:21:33PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
12:21:34PM >> THAT'S ALL MY CROSS-EXAMINATION.
12:21:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. HOUSTON, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CROSS-EXAMINE AS
WELL, IF YOU CHOOSE TO.
12:21:43PM >> I JUST WANTED TO ASK --
12:21:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN AND COME UP
TO THE MICROPHONE.
12:21:47PM >> JUSTIN HOUSTON.
AM I PERMITTED TO ASK IF MS. GRAHAM IS IN ATTENDANCE SO I
CAN ASK HER QUESTIONS OR NO?
12:21:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR, YOU CAN.
12:21:58PM >> IS MS. GRAHAM IN ATTENDANCE.

12:22:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SHE IS NOT HERE, BUT THE REPRESENTATIVE
IS HERE.
12:22:02PM >> OKAY.
AND WE'VE GONE OVER THAT.
I'VE GONE OVER THE LEVEL OF PARTNERSHIP WITH THE
REPRESENTATIVE.
ALL I WOULD SAY IS THIS.
THE LAST TIME I WAS IN THIS ROOM FOR THE VARIANCE REVIEW
BOARD HEARING, VARIANCE BOARD REVIEW, I LISTENED VERY
RESPECTFULLY TO MS. CARROLL AND HER TEAM AND AT ONE POINT
THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN WHO I BELIEVE IS IN THE ROOM WHO HAD A
CLIENT --
12:22:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. HOUSTON, THIS IS ONLY AN OPPORTUNITY
TO CROSS-EXAMINE, NOT AS A REBUTTAL.
THE APPLICANT DOES.
BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
AT THIS POINT, I WILL TAKE IT TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
PLEASE COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME.
I KNOW WE SWORE IN QUITE A FEW INDIVIDUALS.
PLEASE DISCLOSE IF YOU HAVE ANY DIRECT OR INDIRECT BUSINESS
OR PERSONAL INTEREST AND THEN WE CAN ASK -- COUNCIL MEMBERS
CAN ASK QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY.
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME.
YOU WILL BE THE FIRST SPEAKER.

MS. PERINO.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:23:15PM >> LORRAINE PERINO.
I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA TREE ADVOCACY GROUP.
HONORABLE MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL, YOU HAVE ALL HEARD THE
CASE FOR PRESERVING WHAT REMAINS OF TAMPA'S DECLINING TREE
CANOPY.
AT THE TWO CITY OF TAMPA TREE WORKSHOPS LAST YEAR, YOU HEARD
THE AUTHORS OF THE 2021 TREE CANOPY AND URBAN FOREST
ANALYSIS DISCUSS THE 4% LOSS OF TREE CANOPY IN THE PAST FIVE
YEARS.
18% IN SOUTH TAMPA ALONE.
YOU LEARNED THAT IN THE NAME OF PROGRESS TAMPA HAS PERMITTED
BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS TO REMOVE SO MANY TREES THAT TAMPA'S
GRAND OAKS, THE MOST VALUABLE BENEFICIAL TREES IN ALL OF
FLORIDA ARE NOW CONSIDERED TO BE RARE.
YOU HAVE EVEN VOTED TO APPROVE THE DESTRUCTION OF SOME OF
THESE VALUABLE TREES, BUT THERE COMES A TIME WHEN WE MUST
ALL ASK THESE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS.
WHEN DOES AN INDIVIDUAL'S OWN SELF-INTEREST OUTWEIGH THE
COMMON GOOD?
AND AT WHAT POINT IS AN INDIVIDUAL SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT
ALLOWED TO OVERRIDE THE GREATER GOOD OF THE LARGER

COMMUNITY?
IT IS THIS NEXUS THAT WE TAMPA RESIDENTS HAVE ARRIVED AT
TODAY.
ALTHOUGH THIS APPLICANT IS FORTUNATE TO HAVE AN OVERLY LARGE
LOT IN WHICH TO CONSTRUCT HIS ADD-ON STRUCTURES, STILL HAVE
A SPACIOUS BACKYARD AND PRESERVE THE TREES IN THE REAR OF
THE PROPERTY, HE INSISTS THAT HE MUST BE PERMITTED TO BUILD
THESE STRUCTURES WHERE HE WANTS, EVEN THOUGH IT WOULD MEAN
THE REMOVAL OF NOT ONE BUT TWO HEALTHY GRAND OAK TREES.
TREES THAT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD REPEATEDLY TAMPA NEEDS TO
PROTECT AND PRESERVE IN ORDER FOR TAMPA'S ECOSYSTEM TO
REMAIN HEALTHY, PRODUCTIVE AND VIBRANT.
WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF US?
WHAT OF OUR DREAM OF HAVING THE ESSENTIAL NATURAL RESOURCES
THAT ARE REQUIRED TO PROTECT OUR HEALTH AND OUR ECOSYSTEM,
OUR DREAM FOR PURE OXYGEN.
DO WE TAMPA RESIDENTS DESERVE TO BREATHE AIR FREE FROM
POLLUTANTS WHICH GRAND TREES ACTIVELY STORE?
TAMPA RESIDENTS HAVE A RIGHT TO BENEFIT FROM THE SHADE AND
LOWERED HEAT INDEX THAT THE TREES PROVIDE TO THE ENTIRE CITY
AND INCREASINGLY BLISTERING HOT SUMMER MONTHS?
WHAT ABOUT THE STREET FLOODING THE TREES PREVENT DURING
NORMAL HEAVY SUMMER RAINS?
ENTITLED TO DRIVE THROUGH STREETS NOT FLOODED DUE TO HEAVY
RAINFALL?

ALL OF US ENTITLED TO ENJOY THE VITAL BENEFITS THAT THE
GRAND OAKS PROVIDE TO THE CITY AND WILDLIFE?
OR IS ONE PERSON ENTITLED TO DESTROY TWO HEALTHY GRAND OAKS
THAT THE CITY VERY MUCH NEEDS WHILE DENYING THE ESSENTIAL
BENEFITS TO ALL OF US.
THIS ISN'T EVEN A CASE OF SPLITTING THE BABY.
REPEAT OF THE OLD SONG, MY WAY.
IF NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE BUT TO BUILD THIS IN THE VERY SPOT
WHERE THE TWO GRAND TREES ARE LOCATED THAT WOULD BE A
SERIOUS CONSIDERATION.
AGAIN, THE APPLICANT HAS A VERY DEEP LOT IN WHICH TO BUILD
HIS DREAM AND STILL HAVE THE SAFETY SPACIOUS BACKYARD AND
YOUNG TREES OF WHICH HE CLAIMS TO BE SO FOND.
THE DIRE STATE OF TAMPA'S TREE CANOPY SHOULD MEAN THAT THE
DAYS OF GRATUITOUSLY WASTING ONE OF TAMPA'S PRECIOUS AND
BENEFICIAL RESOURCES IS REMAINING GRAND TREES IS OVER.
IT'S UP TO YOU, CITY COUNCIL, TO DECIDE IF INDEED THEY ARE
OVER AND IF TAMPA WILL NOW EMBARK ON A NEW COURSE TO RESERVE
THE FEW REMAINING GRAND TREES FOR THE BENEFIT OF TAMPA'S
PRESENT AND FUTURE GENERATIONS.
CITY COUNCIL, FOR TAMPA'S SAKE, PLEASE VOTE TO PRESERVE
THESE TWO GRAND OAKS.
12:26:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
YES, MA'AM.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.

12:26:25PM >> HI.
I'M PAMELA JACKSON HANEY.
I'M A MEMBER OF TTAG.
AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF TAMPA BUDGETS MONEY TO CHECK IN ON
THE STATE OF OUR TREE CANOPY EVERY FIVE YEARS.
I APPLAUD THIS EFFORT AND HOPE IT CONTINUES.
THE LATEST REPORT SHOWS WE ARE AT A CRITICAL POINT RIGHT NOW
WITH OUR TREE CANOPY, AND WE NEED EVERYONE ON BOARD TO SAVE
WHAT'S LEFT OF OUR GRAND OAKS WHEN AT ALL POSSIBLE.
IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT LIVE OAKS ONLY MAKE UP 3% OF TAMPA'S
TREE CANOPY AND OUR LIVE OAKS ARE THE WORKHORSES OF OUR
CANOPY AND DESERVE TO BE PROTECTED AND CHERISHED.
MOST OF THE OAKS THAT ARE COMING DOWN ARE IN RESIDENTIAL
AREAS.
IN THE CASE BEFORE US, THE HOMEOWNERS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO
DO THE RIGHT THING.
THEY CAN STILL HAVE EVERYTHING THEY WANT AND NEED IF THEY
GIVE THESE TWO GRAND OAKS 20 FEET OF SPACE.
THEY WOULD JUST NEED TO MOVE THIS NEW ADDITION BACK 22 FEET.
THAT'S IT.
THEY WOULD STILL HAVE THEIR ENCLOSED GARAGE WITH AN INTERIOR
ENTRANCE TO THEIR HOME FOR THEIR SAFETY AND SECURITY.
BY THE WAY, SAFETY AND SECURITY IS WHAT WAS STATED UNDER
OATH BEFORE THE VRB THAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT, HOWEVER, NO
STATISTICS OF CRIME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WERE PROVIDED.

THEY MIGHT LOSE A LITTLE BIT OF THEIR BACKYARD, BUT THESE
HOMEOWNERS HAVE AN AMAZINGLY DEEP BACKYARD THAT MOST OF US
DREAM OF.
200 FEET DEEP.
ONLY 10% OF THIS YARD WOULD BE AFFECTED.
HE DISCUSSES SIX OTHER OAK TREES THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED BY
MOVING THIS ADDITION BACK 22 FEET.
AGAIN, WITHOUT ANY PROOF.
AND PROPERTY SURVEY DOESN'T REFLECT THIS IMPACT EITHER AND
IT WASN'T MENTIONED BY THE FORESTER THAT THERE WOULD BE
OTHER TREES IMPACTED BY MOVING HIS ADDITION BACK TO SAVE THE
TREES IN THE FRONT.
I SEE THAT THERE ARE TWO OAKS BACK HERE, BUT, AGAIN, THEY
WOULD NOT BE IMPACTED.
FORTUNATELY, THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS CODES IN PLACE FOR A
REASON.
TO BE FOLLOWED FOR THE GOOD OF THE RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY
AND THE CITY ITSELF.
THE TREE CODE IS ONE OF THOSE IMPORTANT CODES.
IN A SEPARATE CASE REGARDING A TREE ON ANOTHER STREET, THE
CITY ASSURED ME THAT TO SAVE EVEN A HEALTHY SPECIMEN TREE,
SMALLER THAN A GRAND TREE, NOT A GRAND OAK, THE CITY WILL
WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER AND THE RESIDENT TO MOVE THINGS
AROUND IN ORDER TO GET THIS DONE.
IS THERE SOME WIGGLE ROOM TO SAVE THESE TREES?

IT WAS MENTIONED AT THE VRB MEETING THAT HE COULD HAVE
ANOTHER FIVE FEET WITH ALTERNATE CONSTRUCTION METHODS,
ANOTHER FIVE FEET OF ENCROACHMENT WITH ALTERNATE
CONSTRUCTION METHODS IF HE SO DESIRES.
CAN HE MOVE GARAGE FARTHER TO THE RIGHT?
MAYBE SO.
THE ARCHITECT PROBABLY ALSO NOTES THAT YOUR GARAGE SET BACK
FROM MAIN HOUSE IS MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.
MORE PARKING SPOTS IN FRONT OF YOUR GARAGE FOR GROWING
CHILDREN WHO WILL EVENTUALLY DRIVE, WINDOWS THAT LET IN
LIGHT AND AIR COULD BE SAVED AND YOU WOULD HAVE A LOVELY
COURTYARD EFFECT IN THE BACKYARD WITH A MASTER SUITE IN THE
BACK.
PLEASE SAVE THE TREES.
12:29:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:29:40PM >> I'M ALISON DATE.
I'VE BEEN SWORN IN.
I'M A MEMBER OF TAMPA SIERRA CLUB AND ALSO T-TAG.
SAFETY AND SECURITY CONCERNS WERE STATED AS THE MAIN REASON
FOR THE OWNER'S REQUEST FOR TREE REMOVAL.
HOWEVER, USING ALTERNATIVE THREE OR C OR WHATEVER IT IS
CALLED, THE LAST ONE, ALL OF THESE CONCERNS CAN BE MET AND
THE TWO GRAND TREES CAN BE PRESERVED.
THIS HOUSE IS SITUATED ON A BEAUTIFUL TREE-LINED STREET
WHERE MANY NEIGHBORS HAVE TAKEN GREAT CARE TO PRESERVE THE

GRAND TREES.
THIS IS NOT HAPPENING WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION IN OTHER PARTS
OF TAMPA.
BY RECORDING THIS ADDITION -- I'M SORRY.
BY RECONFIGURING THIS ADDITION, THE OWNER WOULD BE PLACING
THE VALUE OF THE COMMUNITY OVER HIS PERSONAL PREFERENCES AND
IN MAKING THAT CONCESSION TODAY, HE WOULD IMPROVE -- BY
MAKING THAT CONCESSION TODAY, HE WOULD IMPROVE THE ABILITY
TO STOP THE REMOVAL OF GRAND TREES ON BAY AVENUE.
TO MAINTAIN A TREE-LINED STREET IN THIS ERA REQUIRES A
CONCERTED EFFORT BY ALL WHO LIVE THERE.
THAT IS WHY THREE NEIGHBORHOOD -- A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION
LEADERS ARE AGAINST THE TREE REMOVAL AND IT IS WHY THE TREE
CODE MUST BE FOLLOWED.
IT'S CRITICAL THAT THE VRB TREATS THE ARBORIST'S TESTIMONY
AS ONE OF THE MOST VALUABLE SOURCES OF INFORMATION
AVAILABLE.
IF A PLAN IS FOUND INCONSISTENT AND THERE ARE ALTERNATIVE
RECONFIGURATIONS TO PROTECT THE TREE, THAT IS WHAT SHOULD BE
USED.
DECISIONS BY THE ARBORIST TAKE TIME, ENERGY, AND ARE MADE TO
ENFORCE THE CITY TREE CODE AND THE MAYOR'S DESIRE TO STOP
LOSS OF CANOPY.
IF THE ARBORIST'S RECOMMENDATIONS ARE NOT CONSISTENTLY
CONSIDERED BY -- AS THE BENCHMARK FOR VRB DECISIONS, THEN

PETITIONERS WILL CONTINUE TO PLACE THEIR DESIRES ABOVE THOSE
OF THE CITY AND THE GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY.
DISCREDITING THE CITY'S PERSONNEL AND PROMOTING FURTHER LOSS
OF GRAND TREES.
IF THIS VARIANCE IS ALLOWED, IT WILL SET A PRECEDENT FOR
MORE CASES THAT PLACE INDIVIDUAL REQUESTS ABOVE THE CITY
TREE CODE.
THIS CREATES A WASTE OF CITY'S TIME, MONEY, AND NATURAL
RESOURCES.
PLEASE DON'T APPROVE IT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:32:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, MA'AM.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND THEN WE HAVE TWO
REGISTERED PUBLIC SPEAKERS ONLINE.
YES, MA'AM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:32:39PM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS IS A HOUSE AT 2807 SANDERS
DRIVE WITH AN ABSOLUTELY HIDEOUS LOOKING GARAGE SET BACK
FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY AND IT'S JUST AROUND THE CORNER.
THIS LITTLE TIDBIT OF INFORMATION, I BLEW UP THE MOST
IMPORTANT PART, BUT THIS IS ABOUT HOW LAND CONSERVATION
MITIGATES FLOODING AND STORM DAMAGE.

IT'S FROM THE LOW COUNTRY LAND TRUST, WHICH IS SOUTH
CAROLINA, OF COURSE.
IT'S STILL REALLY IMPORTANT.
A GRAND OAK TREE CAN PROCESS 40,000 GALLONS OF WATER A YEAR.
110 GALLONS PER DAY.
I LOOKED IT UP.
IF YOU BUILD A WATER TANK TO HOLD IT, IT'S 30 FEET IN
DIAMETER AND ABOUT 7.5 FEET TALL.
THAT IS A LOT OF STINKIN' WATER, AND THIS IS TWO.
THAT'S MUCH LARGER THAN ANY SWIMMING POOL THAT ANYBODY WILL
HAVE IN THEIR BACKYARD.
I'M SORRY, ABOUT, HONESTLY, MR. HOUSTON NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND
THAT THESE TREES BELONG TO EVERYONE.
I HAVE GRAND TREES ON ONE OF MY LOTS AND I'VE HAD TO TRIM
THEM BACK.
I PREFER NOT TO, BUT IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE.
THE T-TAG LADIES TEND TO BE MUCH NICER THAN I AM AS A RULE.
I'M NOT SURE WHO CALLED THIS GENTLEMAN IGNORANT, STUPID, OR
WHATEVER THE OTHER SUPERLATIVE WAS HE WANTED TO USE.
BUT I'VE BEEN IN ARGUMENTS WITH THE T-TAG LADIES AND THEY
DIDN'T CALL NAMES THEN.
THE RESILIENCY OF THE HOMEOWNER HAS ZERO TO DO WITH THE
DECISION IN THIS CASE.
WORKS HARD FOR KIDS, THREE OR SCHOOL TEACHERS IN THE ROOM,
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'LL BE ABLE TO CUT DOWN TREES JUST

BECAUSE WE WANT TO EITHER.
THE TREES IMPACT ALL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE'VE CUT DOWN TOO MANY ALREADY AND IT'S TIME
TO REALLY CONSIDER THIS.
NOW, REMEMBER, NOT A MILE FROM HIS HOUSE, WE ARE BUILDING A
NINE-ACRE RETENTION POND FOR STORMWATER FOR NORTH OF GANDY.
HOW MUCH MONEY WILL WE KEEP DRAGGING OUT WHEN WE DRAG OUT
THESE TREES AND WE CUT THEM DOWN?
THINK ABOUT HOW BIG THOSE TWO TREES ALONE ARE SAVING OUR
CITY FROM HAVING TO SPEND ANOTHER $54 MILLION ON A
STORMWATER PROJECT.
THAT'S WHAT THE E.L.A.P.P. PROJECT IS.
SO IF WE DON'T START SAVING THEM WHEN THEY ARE HEALTHY, ONE
TREE AT A TIME, BECAUSE, LIKE I'VE SAID, THESE BIG
MULTIFAMILY UNITS THAT CAME IN SOUTH OF GANDY, THEY DIDN'T
CUT DOWN BIG TREES.
THESE TREES WERE LOST ONE TREE AT A TIME AND THIS GENTLEMAN
IS ASKING FOR TWO.
I'M SORRY, BUT WHEN MY NEIGHBORS COME TO MY HOUSE AND SAY,
HEY, I NEED YOU TO WRITE A LETTER FOR ME AND I HAVE TO LIVE
NEXT TO YOU FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS, I'LL WRITE A LETTER
BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO START A FIGHT.
PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO START A FIGHT.
12:35:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. SHELBY, WE HAVE TWO REGISTERED SPEAKERS ONLINE.

12:35:48PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, WHY DON'T WE TAKE THE TWO REGISTERED
SPEAKERS AND THEN I'LL TALK.
12:35:53PM >>THE CLERK:
[INAUDIBLE]
12:35:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NANCY STEVENS.
PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, TURN ON YOUR CAMERA, UNMUTE
YOURSELF AND WE'LL SWEAR YOU IN.
12:36:19PM >>THE CLERK:
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE
ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
12:36:25PM >> I DO.
12:36:27PM >>THE CLERK:
THANK YOU.
12:36:29PM >> THANK YOU.
NANCY STEVENS.
I'M WITH THE TAMPA BAY SIERRA CLUB AND ALSO WITH TAMPA TREE
ADVOCACY GROUP.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE TREES.
OF COURSE, AS YOU ALL KNOW, TREES ARE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT
FOR CLEANING THE AIR, FLOOD CONTROL, PROVIDING SHELTER,
SAVING ON AIR CONDITIONING.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A TREE CODE.
TAMPA, WE VALUE OUR TREES IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
SO WE HAVE A -- WE SPENT MANY YEARS WRITING THIS TREE CODE
TO PROTECT THE TREES, BUT ALSO TO GIVE RESIDENTS AND
PROPERTY OWNERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO KEEP THE TREES THEY WANT
TO KEEP, BUT IF THEY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THEIR
PROPERTY, THERE IS A WAY FOR THEM TO BUILD ON THE PROPERTY

AND GET A WAY TO REMOVE ANY TREES THAT ARE IN THE WAY.
HOWEVER, IN THIS CASE, THIS IS A BIG PROPERTY AND ONE OF THE
ASPECTS OF THE TREE CODE IS THE ABILITY TO DO REASONABLE
RECONFIGURATION OF A PROPOSAL TO SAVE THE TREES.
AND IN THIS CASE, THERE IS A REASONABLE RECONFIGURATION
AVAILABLE THAT WOULD SAVE THE TWO GRAND TREES AND ALLOW THE
PROPERTY OWNER TO PROVIDE THE ADDITION THAT HE REQUIRES AND
NEEDS.
I JUST ASK YOU TODAY TO RESPECT TAMPA'S TREE CODE AND THE
TREES THAT ARE CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE WHOLE
COMMUNITY AND NOT GRANT THE VARIANCE BUT PROTECT THE TREES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:38:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ROCKY MILBURN.
IS ROCKY MILBURN ON?
12:38:24PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF HE'S NOT ABLE TO GET ON, HOW LONG.
12:38:39PM >>THE CLERK:
[INAUDIBLE]
12:38:40PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I DON'T THINK IF HE'S NOT ABLE TO GET ON
YOU'RE ABLE TO TAKE HIS TESTIMONY.
12:38:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FAIR ENOUGH.
12:38:46PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN, WITH REGARD TO THE TESTIMONY --
AND MAYBE MS. JOHNSON VELEZ WILL BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT
THIS -- BUT THE PURPOSE OF YOU TAKING THE TESTIMONY IS TO
DETERMINE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
AND, AGAIN, THAT IS -- FOR INSTANCE, THERE WAS TESTIMONY

JUST -- FOR INSTANCE, THE OPINION OF NEIGHBORHOOD
ASSOCIATION PRESIDENTS --
BUT I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR, AND ALSO TO GIVE THE
OPPORTUNITY, BECAUSE OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT, TO GIVE THE
OPPORTUNITY OF THE PROPERTY OWNER TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT
BEFORE THE FINAL WORD IS OF --
12:39:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MR. SHELBY, THAT IS NOT ONE OF THE
PROCEDURES.
THE NEXT PART IS ADDITIONAL STAFF COMMENTARY AND THEN
REBUTTAL BY THE APPLICANT, NOT THE PROPERTY OWNER.
12:39:30PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FIRST OF ALL, LET ME SAY I DID NOT HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THIS BEFORE IT WAS DISTRIBUTED.
IN MY OPINION, BASED ON THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY THAT WAS TAKEN,
I BELIEVE THE PROPERTY OWNER SHOULD AT LEAST BE GIVEN
SEVERAL MINUTES TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT UNLESS
MS. BENNETT WANTS TO MAKE AN OBJECTION FOR THE RECORD.
I'M JUST ASKING MS. BENNETT, DO YOU HAVE AN OBJECTION YOU
WANT TO MAKE FOR THE RECORD TO GIVE THE PROPERTY OWNER AN
OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS --
12:39:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT IS 12:40.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET THROUGH THIS.
A HANGRY COUNCIL IS NOT A GREAT COUNCIL.
12:39:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I KNOW THAT.
COUNCILWOMAN, I RESPECT THAT.
I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT DUE PROCESS REQUIRES DUE PROCESS.

12:40:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
LET'S HAVE THE HOMEOWNER HAVE A FEW MINUTES
AND THEN LET'S HAVE THE APPLICANT HAVE A FEW MINUTES AND
THEN WE CAN MOVE ON.
12:40:14PM >> THANK YOU.
I UNDERSTAND.
I'M STARVING, TOO.
I APOLOGIZE.
BUT THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME TALK ONE LAST TIME.
IF I HEARD THE ARBORIST CORRECTLY WHEN HE SPOKE RECENTLY A
FEW MINUTES AGO, IF I REMOVE THAT BRANCH TO MAKE THE HOME
SAFER, THEN THE TREE POTENTIALLY BECOMES DIMINISHED.
I'VE HEARD A LOT OF STATISTICS.
I'M NOT SURE WITH RESPECT THE RELEVANCE BECAUSE WE ARE TO
FOCUS ON STANDARDS, AND THE REASONABLE CONFIGURATION.
I ALSO WANT TO JUST STATE THAT THE VRB HEARD THIS ARGUMENT
IN OCTOBER AND APPROVED IT.
I GOT HERE AT 4:00 IN OCTOBER AND LEFT AT ALMOST 11.
SO THIS IS IMPORTANT TO MY FAMILY AND I.
AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT -- I'M SORRY.
12:41:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD.
12:41:11PM >> AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT OTHER ITEMS IN ACCELA, WHICH I
BELIEVE IS THE FILE.
THERE IS ONE NEIGHBOR, ONE NEIGHBOR, AND MS. POYNOR SPOKE
ABOUT ASKING YOUR NEIGHBORS TO WRITE A LETTER AND NOT
WANTING TO GET IN A FIGHT.

ONE PERSON ON A DIFFERENT STREET WROTE A LETTER WHO LIVES
WITHIN 250 FEET OF MY HOUSE.
SHE DIDN'T SHOW UP.
I DON'T KNOW.
FOR ME, SOMEONE WHO SORT OF SERVES AS VICE PRINCIPAL AND HAS
TO ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS, I'M NOT SURE FOR ME IF THAT
PASSES THE SMELL TEST TO BE REAL HONEST WITH YOU.
I'D BE A LOT MORE APPRECIATIVE IF SHE WOULD HAVE SHOWN UP
TODAY AND A LOT LESS CONCERNED ABOUT WHY SHE DIDN'T.
WITH THAT SAID, THE LAST TIME I WAS IN THIS ROOM IN OCTOBER,
I HEARD THAT T-TAG GROUP APPROVED THE REMOVAL OF A GRAND OAK
I BELIEVE IN THE PALMA CEIA AREA SOMEWHERE AND ALREADY AN
EXISTING HOME.
A LADY WANTED TO PUT A HOME ADDITION ON.
SO I GUESS SOME GRAND OAKS ARE MORE VALUABLE THAN OTHERS OR
MAYBE THE GOOD OL' BOYS NETWORK IS IN FULL FORCE SOMETIMES.
12:42:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY ADDITIONAL STAFF?
IF NOT, I'LL GO TO REBUTTAL BY MS. BENNETT.
12:42:30PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
DEPARTMENT.
I WANTED TO REFOCUS COUNCIL MAYBE BEFORE THE PETITIONER'S
REPRESENTATIVE.
SO YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF THINGS TODAY.
I WILL SAY THAT WE DID CONFIRM THAT THE PETITIONER BEFORE

YOU TODAY THAT IS CHALLENGING THIS VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD
APPROVAL IS -- DOES QUALIFY TO BE A PETITIONER FOR THIS
PROCEEDING.
THEY WERE A PERSON WITHIN THE 250-FOOT MAILING RADIUS, SO
THEY DO QUALIFY, GRAHAM DOES QUALIFY.
AGAIN, THE VARIANCE REVIEW PROCESS IS TO CONSIDER WHETHER OR
NOT SOMEONE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO VARY FROM THE CODE BASED ON
A HARDSHIP.
SO YOU'VE HEARD TALK THIS MORNING ABOUT THE SAFETY ASPECTS
OF THIS TREE.
THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE THAT COMES BEFORE THE VARIANCE REVIEW
BOARD.
AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO REFOCUS THAT, AND THERE IS A
SEPARATE PROCESS.
IF THERE IS A TREE THAT IS POTENTIALLY HAZARDOUS.
YOU'VE ALSO HEARD ABOUT LETTERS THAT HAVE BEEN RECEIVED.
AGAIN, THIS IS NOT POPULARITY CONTEST.
YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE STANDARD IN QUASI-JUDICIAL
PROCEEDINGS.
I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT EACH VARIANCE CASE MUST BE CONSIDERED
FOR THAT SPECIFIC PROPERTY BECAUSE IT IS BASED ON UNIQUE
SITUATIONS ON PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
SO WHAT MAY HAVE HAPPENED IN ANOTHER VARIANCE CASE OR ON
ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY WOULD NOT BE RELEVANT TO YOUR
CONSIDERATION TODAY.

I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF -- I GAVE YOU THE CODE SECTIONS FOR
THE GRANTING OF THE VARIANCE AND I ALSO GAVE YOU THE TREE
CODE.
SO THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD IS ONE OF THOSE BOARDS WHICH
HAVE BEEN DELEGATED VIA AUTHORITY TO CONSIDER TREE REMOVAL
PERMITS.
WHEN YOU COME BEFORE THE BOARD, THE BOARD, THOUGH, IS ONLY
AUTHORIZED TO GRANT VARIANCES IF THE APPLICATION MEETS THE
CRITERIA.
AGAIN, ONE OF THEM IS A HARDSHIP.
SO IN ORDER TO KIND OF RECONCILE THE TREE CODE, REASONABLE
RECONFIGURATION WITH THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA, IF YOU CAN
REASONABLY RECONFIGURE, THEN THAT CAN BE TAKEN INTO
CONSIDERATION INTO WHETHER A HARDSHIP EXISTS.
IF YOU CANNOT REASONABLY RECONFIGURE, CONVERSELY THAT WOULD
BE A CONSIDERATION AS TO WHETHER A HARDSHIP EXISTS.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL DELIBERATIONS OR
AFTER YOU HEAR FROM THE PETITIONER ON REBUTTAL, BUT I WANTED
TO CLARIFY THOSE POINTS.
12:44:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AT THIS TIME I'LL GO TO REBUTTAL BY THE
REPRESENTATIVE.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
GO AHEAD, YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.
12:45:03PM >> MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
SOME OF YOU WERE ON COUNCIL WHEN THE NEW TREE CODE WAS

FORMED.
IT WAS A VERY LONG COLLABORATION BETWEEN BUILDERS,
DEVELOPERS, CONSERVATIONISTS, AND WE CAME TO AN AGREEMENT.
ONE OF THE BIG COMPROMISES THAT THE CONSERVATIONIST MADE WAS
THE TREE REMOVAL ZONE WHICH ALLOWED ADMINISTRATIVE AUTOMATIC
APPROVAL OF A TREE NO MATTER WHAT ITS STATUS WAS, IF IT WAS
IN THE BUILDING ENVELOPE AND THE ADVANTAGE WAS THAT THAT
MEANT THAT ANYTHING THAT WAS NOT IN THE TREE REMOVAL ZONE
THAT IT WOULD BE PRESERVED.
IT MEANT THAT THOSE TREES WOULD BE -- THE TREE CODE WOULD BE
RESPECTED AND THOSE TREES WOULD NOT JUST BE FRIVOLOUSLY
REMOVED.
JOE CHILLURA WHO RECENTLY PASSED AWAY WROTE THE TREE CODE IN
THE 1970s THAT HAS GIVEN US THE CANOPY WE HAVE TODAY THAT
BENEFITED ALL OF US.
IF WEREN'T FOR HIM, THE TREE CANOPY WOULD BE A WHOLE LOT
SMALLER BECAUSE SOME PERSON WANTS TO CUT DOWN A TREE.
THE CODE REQUIRES THAT ALTERNATE CONFIGURATION MUST BE
CONSIDERED IF IT CAN CONSERVE THE TREE.
IT HAS BEEN PROVEN, TWO PLANS, BOTH OF THEM PRESERVE THE
TREES AND THEY ARE BOTH REASONABLE RECONFIGURATIONS.
HE SAID THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO CUT DOWN OTHER OAKS ON THE
PROPERTY.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE SURVEY, YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT ISN'T TRUE.
THESE ARE THE TWO CLOSEST ONE.

18-INCH AND 20 SOMETHING INCH.
THEY ARE WELL AWAY, EVEN IF YOU PUSH IT BACK, THEY ARE WELL
AWAY AND WOULD NOT NEED TO BE REMOVED.
IF YOU THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, YOU CAN ASK MR. EYSTER
ABOUT THAT.
THE PALMA CEIA TREE, I'M GLAD HE BROUGHT THAT UP.
THE PALMA CEIA TREE, I SPOKE IN FAVOR OF REMOVING THE TREE
BECAUSE IT WAS HAZARDOUS.
BECAUSE IT QUALIFIED TO BE REMOVED AS A HAZARDOUS TREE.
IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO REMOVE THAT TREE AND I SPOKE IN FAVOR
OF REMOVING THAT TREE.
I'M SURE MR. HOUSTON IS A WONDERFUL PERSON.
HE SAID ALL THE GREAT THINGS HE DOES AND THAT'S GREAT.
I BELIEVE HIM.
I THINK HE'S FANTASTIC.
BUT THAT'S NOT -- THAT'S IRRELEVANT.
IT'S NOT WHAT YOU ARE TO CONSIDER TODAY.
IF THIS TREE IS A SAFETY CONCERN, HAZARDOUS, THERE IS
ANOTHER AVENUE TO PURSUE.
IT'S IN THE CITY CODE, AND THAT'S WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO.
AS YOU'VE HEARD TODAY, HE'S NOT GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL
BECAUSE IT ISN'T A SAFETY HAZARD.
YOU CAN ONLY USE THE VARIANCE CRITERIA, WHICH HAS
MS. JOHNSON-VELEZ HAS SAID, YOU HAVE TO LOOK.
IT DOESN'T CREATE A HARDSHIP THAT PROHIBITS REASONABLE USE

OF THE PROPERTY.
THAT'S NOT HAPPENING.
THERE'S REASONABLE USE OF THE PROPERTY GOING ON NOW.
A GARAGE FLUSH WITH THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, NOT THE FRONT
PORCH IS NOT UNUSUAL.
IT'S NOT ATTRACTIVE, AND EVEN IF IT WAS, YOU CAN'T CONSIDER
IT.
NOT COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
PLENTY OF NEIGHBORS WHO WROTE LETTERS OF OPPOSITION.
YES, THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON WHO FILED A PETITION.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT ALWAYS IS.
ONLY ONE PERSON IS NEEDED TO FILE A PETITION TO APPEAL IT.
THE PETITION COSTS $271.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE 6 PEOPLE COMING IN, EACH ONE FILING
A SEPARATE PETITION FOR $271 TO APPEAL IT.
THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
THAT'S IRRELEVANT.
THE TREES BENEFIT EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE CITY TREE CODE.
IF YOU BUY A HOUSE WITHOUT A GARAGE, YOU CANNOT TURN AROUND
AND SAY YOUR HARDSHIP IS, I DON'T HAVE A GARAGE.
MR. HOUSTON AND HIS FAMILY CAN HAVE EVERYTHING THEY WANT.
THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM ON THIS PROPERTY TO GIVE THEM THE
GARAGE, WHICH THEY ARE NOT OWED, BUT TO GIVE THEM THE GARAGE
AND AN ADDITION.

ANY ARCHITECT CAN FIGURE IT OUT AS THE VRB ARCHITECT
TESTIFIED TO WHEN SHE VOTED NO.
PLEASE SAVE THESE TREES.
PLEASE FOLLOW THE CODE AND THE CRITERIA OF THE VARIANCE
REVIEW PROCESS, THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS OF IT AND SAVE THESE
TREES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:49:04PM >> MOTION TO CLOSE.
12:49:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION -- YES, MA'AM.
IS THE GENTLEMAN ON WITH HIS CAMERA?
ALL RIGHT.
ROCKY MILBURN, PLEASE TURN ON YOUR CAMERA.
12:49:13PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I'M SORRY.
WE'RE PAST TIME FOR THAT.
WE CAN INQUIRE OF MR. MILBURN IF THAT PERSON IS NOTICED,
RECEIVES NOTICE AND LIVES WITHIN 250 FEET.
THAT MAY MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
OTHERWISE, WE'RE ALREADY PAST THE POINT.
12:49:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BECAUSE THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO ALLOW BOTH --
12:49:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
EXACTLY.
12:49:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. MILBURN, ARE YOU IN THE NOTICE AREA
WITHIN THE 250 FEET?
DID YOU RECEIVE NOTICE ON THIS ISSUE?
THIS QUESTION IS FOR ROCKY MILBURN.

12:49:47PM >> NO, I'M NOT.
12:49:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:49:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU, SIR.
I'M SORRY, BUT UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE OF TECHNICAL ISSUES
WE'RE NOT ABLE TO TAKE YOUR TESTIMONY.
12:49:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA WITH THE MOTION TO
CLOSE.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WITH THE SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YES, MA'AM.
12:50:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
AS A FORMER MEMBER OF THE VRB I AM SHOCKED THAT THIS CASE IS
HERE BECAUSE IT'S INCREDIBLY CLEAR THAT THEY DID NOT LOOK AT
THE TREE CODE.
SAFETY IS VERY IMPORTANT.
TREES ARE VERY IMPORTANT.
BUT THE TREE CODE IS VERY CLEAR.
THE VRB CODE OF ORDINANCES IS VERY CLEAR.
SECTION 27-80, SUBSECTION A, SUBSECTIONS 2, THE HARDSHIP OR
PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY DOES OR DOES NOT RESULT FROM THE ACTION
OF THE APPLICANT, A SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP OR PRACTICAL
DIFFICULTY SHALL NOT JUSTIFY A VARIANCE.
AND THAT'S IT FOR ME.

AND IT SHOWS VERY CLEARLY CODE 27-284.2.5.F, SUBSECTION 4
WHAT WE ARE TO CONSIDER.
SUBSECTION 4, SUBSECTION B, WHETHER THE PROPOSED BUILDING
STRUCTURE CAN BE REASONABLY RECONFIGURED AS DEFINED IN TABLE
284.2-5 TO PRESERVE THE GRAND TREES REQUESTED FOR REMOVAL
INCLUDING THE RECOMMENDATION BY THE NATURAL RESOURCE
COORDINATOR OR DESIGNEE.
AND WHETHER ALTERNATIVE -- D, WHETHER ALTERNATIVE
CONSTRUCTION METHODS CAN BE UTILIZED TO PRESERVE THE GRAND
TREE REQUESTED FOR REMOVAL UP TO THE CRITICAL ROOT ZONE.
SO I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO OVERTURN THE DECISION OF
THE BOARD AND SAY THAT THIS VARIANCE IS NOT APPROVABLE.
SO IT'S VRB 23-55 PERTAINING TO THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2802
WEST BAY AVENUE THAT WE OVERTURN THE DECISION OF THE VRB
BECAUSE OF SECTION 27-80, SUBSECTIONS A, SUBSECTIONS 2,
HARDSHIP OR PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY DOES RESULT FROM THE ACTION
OF APPLICANT, SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP FOR PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY
DOES NOT JUSTIFY A VARIANCE.
12:52:07PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SECOND.
12:52:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
27-284.2.5. F SUBSECTION 4 SUBSECTION B, THE
BUILDING CAN BE REASONABLY RECONFIGURED AS DEFINED IN TABLE
284.2.5 TO PRESERVE THE GRAND TREE REQUESTED FOR REMOVAL,
INCLUDING THE RECOMMENDATION BY THE NATURAL RESOURCES
COORDINATOR OR DESIGNEE AND, D, WHETHER THE ALTERNATIVE
CONSTRUCTION METHODS COULD BE UTILIZED TO PRESERVE THE GRAND

TREE REQUESTED.
SAFETY IS NOT AN ISSUE HERE.
LETTERS ARE NOT AN ISSUE.
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE CODE.
AND THE CODE CLEARLY SAYS IF YOU CAN RECONFIGURE, YOU NEED
TO RECONFIGURE.
12:52:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, YOU WISH TO SPEAK?
12:52:57PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY TO EXPLAIN MY VOTE.
I WILL BE SUPPORTING COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S MOTION.
THIS IS ONE WHERE WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE OBJECTIVE RULES
THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US, LEADS IN MY OPINION TO ONE
CONCLUSION THAT COUNCIL HAS TO MAKE.
I WANTED TO SPEAK BECAUSE MR. HOUSTON SEEMS LIKE A VERY NICE
GENTLEMAN AND A FAMILY MAN AND EDUCATOR, AND THAT OBVIOUSLY
HAS NO BEARING ON THIS ISSUE, BUT JUST WANTED TO STATE MY
RATIONALE FOR THE VOTE.
I ALWAYS BELIEVE IN CASES LIKE THIS THERE ARE CERTAIN TOOLS
AND GUIDELINES THAT WE HAVE, AND LIKE I ALWAYS SAY, THERE IS
A STOOL AND THERE ARE LEGS, AND YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE LEGS TO
SUPPORT THE STOOL OF YOUR DECISION.
I THINK ON THIS, THEY ARE GOING AGAINST THE MOTION, THERE
ARE NO LEGS FOR THAT STOOL, IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE TO

ANYBODY.
AGAIN, JUST EXPLAINING.
I'LL BE GLAD TO SUPPORT IT.
THANK YOU.
12:53:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:53:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
JUST LOOKING AT THE SAME THING AS COUNCIL
MEMBER HURTAK SPOKE ABOUT AND WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA JUST
SAID.
THE PETITIONER CERTAINLY IS A FAMILY MAN, WANTS TO DO THE
BEST THING HE CAN FOR HIS PROPERTY, HOWEVER THAT DOESN'T
MEET THE CRITERIA OF THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
I THINK THEY ERRORED.
MOVING THE PROJECT BACK A FEW FEET.
12:54:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SECOND BY
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
WELCOME CLENDENIN?
12:54:25PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
12:54:26PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
12:54:28PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
12:54:30PM >> CARLSON?
HURTAK?
12:54:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
12:54:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:54:34PM >>THE CLERK:
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN

AND CARLSON BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
12:54:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE ARE IN RECESS UNTIL 2:15.
[LUNCH RECESS]

02:21:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WELCOME BACK TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
ROLL CALL PLEASE.
02:21:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
02:22:01PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PRESENT, THANK YOU.
02:22:02PM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
02:22:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
02:22:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
02:22:07PM >>CLERK:
YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
02:22:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE WILL START OFF WITH ITEM NUMBER 65.
WE HAVE MISS MALONE.
GO AHEAD, MA'AM.
02:22:15PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS, JENNIFER
MALONE FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
A LETTER AND A MEMORANDUM IN YOUR PACKET WHERE WE HAVE
OUTLINED -- THIS IS ABOUT THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
UPDATE AND THE USE ASSESSMENT THAT WE UPDATE EVERYTHING WE
DO SINCE WE CAME TO YOU IN SEPTEMBER.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING SINCE SEPTEMBER FROM AN INDEPENDENT
CONSULTANT TO COME UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS FOR OUR FUTURE
LAND USE ASSESSMENT.
WE HEARD WHAT YOU SAID.
WE THINK WE ARE WORKING ON ADDRESSING ALL OF THOSE IDEAS.
THERE WILL BE -- WE ARE SYNTHESIZING THOSE LAND -- INCORPORATE
THOSE INTO TRACKING LANGUAGE.
WE WILL BE HOSTING OUTREACH LATER THIS YEAR AS WE DID WITH
THE OTHER SECTIONS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATES.
SO FAR WE HAVE MOBILITY, ENVIRONMENTAL AND ONE WATER THAT
HAS BEEN BEFORE YOU AND EACH OF THOSE OUTREACH MEETINGS
ALONG THE WAY FOR THE PUBLIC.
THAT IS FORTHCOMING.
WE ARE WRITING POLICY.
WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU WITH OUTREACH MEETINGS AND COME
BACK WITH YOU WITH THE LANGUAGE LATER THIS YEAR WHEN IT IS
INITIATED AS A PLAN AMENDMENT.
THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT SECTION.
A LOT OF INTEREST IN IT.
WE ARE TAKING SUGGESTIONS MOVING FORWARD ON THAT PROCESS.
WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE WORK DONE TO
DATE AND THE NEXT STEPS IN THE PROCESS.
02:23:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
02:23:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
I AM HAPPY YOU GOT TO THIS POINT AND LOOK GOOD TO GETTING
THIS BACK WITH COUNCIL'S BLESSING TO WORK THROUGH THE
CONCEPT AND HAVE THIS IN FRONT OF.
AND I KNOW IT IS A VERY BIG PROJEC, AND IT WILL BE VERY
IMPORTANT TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THANK YOU.
02:24:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I WANT TO WHAT -- I AM MESSING YOU UP TODAY.
AS COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN SAID, I PARTICULARLY LIKE THE TABLE.
I ALSO LIKE THE CITY OF TAMPA'S TABLE.
I THOUGHT I JUST MADE IT CLEAR.
FOR THE PUBLIC, JUST KNOWING THAT WE WILL HAVE MORE
CONVERSATIONS AS WE PUT THIS LANGUAGE TOGETHER.
JUST WANT TO REALLY THANK YOU.
I THINK -- IT IS AN EXCITING TIME TO BE HERE JENNIFER
THANKS.
I WAS REMISS TO MENTION THE GREAT WORK WITH STEVEN BENSON
AND HIS DEPARTMENT.
WE WOULDN'T BE IN FRONT OF YOU WITH THESE IDEAS IF NOT FOR HIS
INPUT AND BRAIN POWER AS WELL.
02:24:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. SHELBY.
02:24:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I SEE YOU REFERENCING SOMETHING, AND I DON'T
SEE IT ON ON BASE.
SOMETHING YOU GAVE TO THE CLERK TO UPLOAD.
02:24:57PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
I THOUGHT I SAW ON BASE AND IT WAS IN
THERE.
02:25:00PM >> IT WAS IN THERE.
THIS ITEM WAS CONTINUED FROM JANUARY AND THIS MAY BE WHY.
IT IS IN THE BACKUP FOR THIS ONE.
02:25:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION TO FIND OUT WHAT WE
DO IN THE FUTURE WITH CONTINUED THINGS.
02:25:16PM >> I WILL DOUBLE THEY CAN.
02:25:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE ENTIRETY OF ITEM 65.
YOU DON'T NEED ANY UPDATES.
02:25:28PM >>JENNIFER MALONE:
WE DON'T NEED A UPDATE.
THAT WAS THE ENTIRETY OF IT.
THANK YOU.
02:25:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
DID YOU SPEAK TO CHIEF TRIPP?
02:25:37PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I DID.
THANK YOU, SIR.
FOR THE TWO FIRE ITEMS.
I AM FINE WITH THE MEMO.
I WAS COMMUNICATING TO CHIEF TRIPP, AND SHE SPENT ENOUGH TIME
IN TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
AND I WOULD BRIEFLY COME BACK TO HER, AND I BRING UP ISSUES
TO SPEAK WITH HER.
AND WHEN THEY COME, I WILL TALK ABOUT THEM.
AND DO NOT.
02:26:03PM >> IS THIS 57 AND 58?
02:26:07PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
02:26:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU WANT TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
02:26:12PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WHEN THEY COME, I WANT TO TALK OF WHAT TO DO
--
ARE THEY UP NOW?
02:26:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO -- WE WILL GET TO IT WHEN WE GET TO
IT.
02:26:20PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IN OTHER WORDS, I DO NOT NEED CHIEF TRIPP OR
EVERYONE HERE TODAY.
02:26:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE WILL GO TO ITEM NUMBER 55.
MR. HARVEY.
02:26:30PM >>DAVID HARVEY:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
DAVID HARVEY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
ITEM 55 IS A RESOLUTION OF THE ROBERT DUBOIS CASE THAT IS
PENDING IN FEDERAL COURT.
AS WE DISCUSSED IN THE CLOSED SESSION ON FEBRUARY 1, THE
TENTATIVE SETTLEMENT $14 MILLION PAYABLE OVER THREE
INSTALLMENTS FOR THE REASONS WE DISCUSSED AT THE CLOSED SESSION.
02:27:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ARE WE ALLOWED TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS
AFTER THIS VOTE IS TAKEN OR NO?
02:27:10PM >>DAVID HARVEY:
YEAH, I THINK AFTER THE VOTE IS FINE.
02:27:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY COUNCILMEMBERS WISH TO MAKE THIS
MOTION OR HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
02:27:17PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WILL MAKE IT.
02:27:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA AND A
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
IF NOT, A ROLL CALL VOTE BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT.
ALL RIGHT, ROLL CALL VOTE.
THIS IS 55.
MOVING THE RESOLUTION.
02:27:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
02:27:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
02:27:40PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
02:27:41PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
02:27:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
02:27:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
02:27:48PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON BEING
ABSENT AT VOTE.
02:27:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
APPROPRIATE TO SPEAK NOW?
02:27:56PM >> IF COUNCIL'S PLEASURE, YES.
02:27:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I AM SPEAKING ON MY OWN CAPACITY.
I AM GRATEFUL WE HAVE ORGANIZATIONS OUT THERE.
GROUPS LIKE THE INNOCENCE PROJECT.
THE STATE ATTORNEY WAS DISCUSSING HOW THIS BECAME TO BE
AFTER 40 YEARS.
I AM BORN IN 1984, AND THIS CASE BEGAN IN 1983.
I MEAN THAT IS A LIFETIME.
I AM ALMOST 40 YEARS OLD.
I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT IT IS LIKE WITHOUT WALKING IN THOSE
FOOTSTEPS.
JUSTICE WAS SERVED IN THIS CAPACITY.
A GENTLEMAN WAS GIVEN A SECOND CHANCE AFTER MUCH SUFFERING.
HOW DO YOU EVEN PUT IT INTO WORDS.
BUT AT LEAST A PROCESS.
AND GO AND LIVE HIS LIFE.
DECADES UNFULFILLED.
WHAT COULD HIS LIFE HAVE BEEN?
WE VOTED ON THIS SETTLEMENT.
NOT SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, BEST OF LUCK TO THE
GENTLEMAN AND WISH HIM ALL THE HAPPINESS IN THE WORLD MOVING
FORWARD.
ANYBODY ELSE?
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
02:29:24PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
I WANT TO FIRST OFF ACKNOWLEDGE OUR FORMER STATE ATTORNEY
ANDREW WARREN FOR THE GREAT WORK THAT HE DID WITH HIS TEAM
ON THIS.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU ARE A PROSECUTOR, YOU HAVE TO BE A
THOUGHTFUL PROSECUTOR TO GO -- CERTAINLY GO AFTER CRIMES AND
WHATNOT.
BUT MAKE SURE THAT THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE PAST
HAVE BEEN CORRECT.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY INCORRECT AND
REPRESENTED A GREAT INJUSTICE.
AND I SALUTE ANDREW WARREN AND FORMER JUDGE SECOND COURT
DISTRICT.
SECOND COURT OF APPEALS CHRIS ALTENBERG HEADED THIS
COMMITTEE.
WITH MR. WARREN'S OFFICE.
AND MY HAT IS OFF HERE.
AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, EVERYBODY INCLUDING MY
FRIEND COLLEAGUE, DAVID HARVEY.
YOUR WORK ON THIS, DAVID, I AM SURE, YOU ARE REALLY GOOD
ATTORNEY AND STUD I COULDN'T SAY AND DETAIL ORIENTED, AND I
KNOW YOU PUT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS.
THANK YOU.
AND MISS ZELMAN AND EVERYBODY'S TEAM.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO IN PUBLIC OFFICE IS TO
MAKE WRONGS RIGHT.
THIS WAS A BIG WRONG LIKE CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO SAID MANY,
MANY YEARS FOR THIS GENTLEMAN TO BE IN PRISON.
HE WAS IN PRISON, I BELIEVE IT WAS, AT THE AGE OF 18.
AND THE THINGS THAT HE SUFFERED.
SO JUST FROM THE LIFE LOST IS TREMENDOUS.
AND I HOPE AND PRAY THAT THIS SETTLEMENT GIVES HIM A MEASURE
OF COMFORT.
YOU KNOW WHEN -- THERE ARE CERTAIN CASES.
AND I SAY THIS AS A 21-YEAR LAWYER WHERE YOU SETTLE.
AND NO MATTER HOW MUCH MONEY GET, YOU CAN NEVER COMPENSATE
SOMEBODY FOR THE SUFFERING THEY WENT THROUGH AND I OBVIOUSLY
SAY THIS IS ONE OF THOSE CASES.
CERTAINLY A GESTURE WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA, AND I HOPE AND
PRAY WE WILL MAKE WRONGS RIGHT IN THIS MAN'S LIFE.
THIS BEING A PROCESS.
EVERYBODY HAS A JOURNEY TO COME HOME EMOTIONALLY, AND I HOPE
THIS HELPS HIM IN HIS JOURNEY.
SINCERELY.
02:31:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN AND COUNCILMAN
MIRANDA.
02:31:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WILL ECHO MY THANKS TO ELECTED STATE
ATTORNEY ANDREW WARREN FOR SETTING UP THE ORGANIZATION THAT
LED TO THE EXONERATION.
AND -- AND THE FREEDOM OF LAWFULLY CONVICTED INDIVIDUAL.
IT IS -- IT IS SAD WHEN SOMEBODY SACRIFICED SO MUCH OF THEIR
TIME AND ENERGY.
AND I AM GLAD THAT THE CITY HAS -- I WILL LEAVE IT AT THIS
PHRASE.
IT IS NEVER TOO LATE TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
AND I BELIEVE THAT IS WHAT US, AS A CITY, WERE STANDING UP
AND DOING.
WE ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING.
SO I HOPE THAT IN SOME WAY THIS WILL HELP THIS MAN MOVE ON.
AND ENJOY WHAT THE REST OF HIS LIFE.
AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY WHO WAS A PART OF IT.
THANK YOU.
02:32:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
02:32:17PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
IT IS 40 YEARS, I GUESS -- CLOSE TO 40 YEARS.
RIGHT AT 40.
WHAT WOULD YOU FEEL -- WHO YOU I WOULD FEEL -- HOW WOULD
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE BEHIND THE CAMERA AND WRITING THE
STORIES, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IN JAIL FOR 14,600 DAYS AND
EVERY ONE OF THOSE DAMN DAYS, YOU KNEW YOU WERE INNOCENT?
WHAT DID YOU MISS?
YOU MISS YOUR LIFE THAT HAS GONE OFF, THE MOST PRODUCTIVE
YEARS OF YOUR LIFE IS GONE.
EVERY DAY YOU SLEPT IN THAT BUNK, YOU TOLD YOURSELF, IT
WASN'T ME AND YOU COME OUT AND YOU SAY, HAVE I MISSED.
MONEY CAN'T BUY ANYTHING.
CHILDREN, GRANDCHILDREN, POSSIBLY.
MONEY DOESN'T SOLVE ANYTHING, BUT DEMOCRACY, COMBINED EFFORT
BETWEEN THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND BILL REPRESENTING THE
PERSON TO COME UP WITH SOME NUMBER AND YOU HAVE DONE AN
ASTOUNDING JOB IN DOING THAT BUT YOU CAN'T CORRECT SOMETHING
THAT IS 14,600 DAYS BEING IN JAIL THINKING IT WAS NOT ME.
MOST OF IT WOULD HAVE BEEN CRAZY BY THIS TIME.
THAT IS JUST ME ECHOING WHAT A DEMOCRACY IS ABOUT.
IT WORKS.
AND SOMETIMES YOU DON'T FIND THEM.
THERE MIGHT BE OTHERS THAT YOU NEVER FIND.
BUT WE ARE TALKING ONE PARTICULAR CASE HERE IN TAMPA SO I --
I APOLOGIZE TO THE INDIVIDUAL WHO HAD TO SERVE THAT AMOUNT
OF TIME IN JAIL.
02:34:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY ELSE?
YES, MA'AM.
02:34:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL ECHO MY COUNCILMEMBERS -- FELLOW
COUNCILMEMBERS' COMMENTS.
YOU KNOW OUR STATE ATTORNEY CREATED A WONDERFUL PROGRAM TO
REALLY RELOOK AT SOME OF THESE CASES.
AND IN THIS CASE, HE FOUND THAT -- OR THE DEPARTMENT FOUND
THAT THERE WAS A WRONG DONE.
AND I THINK THAT HAVING MORE OF THESE UNITS THAT WORK ON
THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.
I DON'T THINK FOR ANY OF US IT WAS A QUESTION OF A VOTE.
THIS ESPECIALLY HAS -- MR. DUBOIS GAVE A MAJORITY OF HIS
LIFE FOR THIS.
AND THIS IS THE LEAST WE CAN DO.
02:34:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
02:34:51PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU, CHAIR.
MR. DUBOIS, I AM SORRY THIS HAPPENED TO YOU AT SUCH A YOUNG
AGE.
I AM CLOSE TO THE SAME AGE THAT YOU ARE.
THAT IS MY LIFETIME.
AND I AM SORRY AND HOPEFULLY THIS HISTORY OF COURSE
CORRECTING AND GETTING IT RIGHT BY PROVIDING YOU WITH THIS
SETTLEMENT WILL GIVE YOU SOME MODE OF HAPPINESS FOR YOU AND
YOUR FAMILY.
02:35:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. HARVEY, A NUMBER 56 COMPANION TO THIS.
ARE YOU TAKING THIS UP OR A CFO QUESTION.
02:35:25PM >>DAVID HARVEY:
MR. ROGERO IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY FINANCIAL QUESTIONS.
02:35:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. ROGERO.
02:35:34PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCILMEMBERS.
CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
THIS WILL TAKE CARE OF $9 MILLION.
YOU WILL SEE OBLIGATIONS FOR 2025 AND 2026 AS PART OF BUDGET
OBLIGATIONS.
THEY ARE STANDING OBLIGATIONS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE
ARE SETTING THEM ASIDE IN THE NEXT TWO FISCAL YEARS.
02:35:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY WANT TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
02:36:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
02:36:04PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SECOND.
02:36:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:36:10PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
02:36:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NEXT UP IS ITEM NUMBER 52.
WE HAVE A WRITTEN REPORT FROM MR. MICHAEL PERRY; HOWEVER, WE
HAVE MR. BHIDE ON LINE.
AND WE RECEIVED PROBABLY ENDLESS E-MAILS REGARDING THIS.
MR. BHIDE.
YES, SIR?
02:36:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU ARE MUTED.
02:36:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF, SIR.
02:36:44PM >>VIK BHIDE:
CAN YOU NOT HEAR ME?
02:36:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, NOW WE CAN.
02:36:47PM >>VIK BHIDE:
OH, OKAY.
VIK BHIDE, MOBILITY, HERE TO ADDRESS ITEM 52, RELATED TO
CERTAIN CHANGES IN THE BUDGET RELATIVE TO A FDE GRANT IN THE
AMOUNT OF A LITTLE OVER $10 MILLION.
THIS GRANT IS TOWARDS THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOODING RELIEF
PROJECT.
AND THIS WAS, OF COURSE, ONE OF TWO ITEMS DISCUSSED IN
THE LAST MEETING WHERE COUNCILMAN CARLSON IN WHOSE DISTRICT
THIS PROJECT IS IN, REQUESTED THAT WE MEET WITH
NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE IMPACTED WITHIN THE SOUTH HOWARD AREA
TO LISTEN TO THEIR CONCERNS, AGAIN, PROVIDING AS MUCH OF AN
UPDATE AS WE CAN.
AND THEN REPORT BACK.
AND ON THAT NOTE, YOU ARE CORRECT, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF
CORRESPONDENCE AND E-MAILS FROM PRESIDENT NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE DID MEET WITH ALL OF THEM.
WE MET WITH HYDE PARK -- RATHER HISTORIC HYDE PARK, BAYSHORE
GARDENS, PARKLAND ESTATES AND SUBURB BEAUTIFUL.
FOR THE MOST PART, AND ALSO THE BUSINESSES.
AND WE DO HAVE -- A BUSINESS ALLIANCE MEETING SCHEDULED NEXT
WEEK AS WELL.
THAT WILL BE HELD AT THE EPICURIAN.
BASED ON ALL OF OUR MEETINGS WITH THE COMMUNITIES, WE ARE
ABLE TO SHARE WHAT UPDATES WE COULD AT THIS TIME.
I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF CONCERNS THAT WERE ADDRESSED.
I AM SURE THERE ARE ADDITIONAL CONCERNS THAT THE COMMUNITY
STILL HAVE.
I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE INDIVIDUALLY SHARED LETTERS WITH
COUNCIL ALSO.
THE MOST RECENT ONE WAS AN UPDATE VIA E-MAIL FROM PARKLAND
ESTATES CLARIFYING THE LEVELS AT WHICH THEY WILL WANT
UPDATES AS THE DESIGN PROCEEDS AS WELL.
NEW SUBURB BEAUTIFUL HAS CONVEYED THEIR OPPOSITION TO THIS
PROJECT.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO BRING CONTEXT TO THAT AND MOVE TO ANY
QUESTIONS.
AGAIN, NEW SUBJECT BEAUTIFUL CONCERNS, WILL THE FOUR PARALLEL
STREETS FROM MORRISON ALL THE WAY TO WATROUS, AND THE
CONCERNS WITH TWO POTENTIAL WORK ZONES ON EITHER END OF
THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
VERY UNDERSTANDABLE.
THIS -- THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ALSO HAS SOME OF THE WORST STREETS
IN THE CITY-BASED ON PAVEMENT CONDITION.
THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A HISTORY TO IT AS WELL.
I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT NEW SUBURB BEAUTIFUL IS NOT
WITHIN THE BASIN THAT THE PROJECT IMPACTS, MEANING NEW
SUBURB BEAUTIFUL IS DIFFERENT.
THERE WILL BE SOME WORK THAT HAPPENS IN NEW SUBURB
BEAUTIFUL, SPECIFICALLY ON MORRISON AS PART OF EARLY WORKS.
AS FAR AS ROUTE COLLECTION OF THE ROUTES WILL BE ROUTED FROM
PARKLAND ESTATES VIA THE NEIGHBORHOODS ON TO HOWARD AVENUE,
THAT IS PART OF AN ASSESSMENT THAT IS PART OF THE DESIGN
PROCESS.
THIS IS A DESIGN-BUILD PROJECT.
WE HAVEN'T THE CONNECTIONS WITH THE DESIGN BUILDER AND THE
PROCESS HAVEN'T BEGUN.
I THINK WE ARE ABLE TO CONVEY THAT VERY WELL TO THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY DID UNDERSTAND THAT THEY DID UNDERSTAND THAT WE DID OUR
BEST ATTEMPT TO MENTION THAT WE ARE COMMITTED TO CONTINUOUS
ENGAGEMENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
WE IDENTIFIED A SINGLE POINT OF CONTACT.
MICHELLE ROBINSON, A CONTRACTOR WORKING WITH US.
THE PROCESS OF WHICH YOU WILL SEAMLESSLY HAND OVER TO THE
DESIGN BUILDER.
AND THEIR CONTRACTORS AS FAR AS COMMUNICATION GOES.
AND BOTH WERE AVAILABLE AT ALL OF THE MEETINGS THAT WE
MENTIONED.
WE ARE ALSO COMMITTED TO SIT DOWN.
AND THIS IS WHAT WE OFFERED NEW SUBURB BEAUTIFUL.
I SHARED WHAT WE WERE SHARING WITH YOU THAT WE WILL NOT
LEAVE IT THERE.
WE WILL SIT DOWN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE WILL GO OVER ALL OF THE ISSUES.
AT THIS POINT, TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING WILL BE THE LEAD
ON THAT.
AND I KNOW THAT OUR TRANSPORTATION MANAGER, BRANDON
CAMPBELL, IS WORKING ON GETTING SOMETHING ON THE CALENDAR
WITH NEW SUBURB BEAUTIFUL.
AND WILL START WORKING ON TWO THINGS.
ONE IS LOW-HANGING FRUIT PROJECTS THAT WE CAN ADDRESS TO
DATE RIGHT NOW WITH OUR BUDGET.
NOT PART OF THE PROJECT BUDGET.
I WILL GET INTO THAT IN A SECOND.
AND THEN PUT TOGETHER A BUSINESS CASE FOR ANY GRANTS THAT
MAY BE OUT THERE.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE HAD SOME SUCCESS OVER THE LAST FOUR
YEARS IN ATTRACTING BOTH FEDERAL AND STATE MONIES.
AND WE WILL -- WE WILL EXERCISE THE SAME KIND LOOKING FOR
OPPORTUNITIES FOR NEW SUBURB BEAUTIFUL.
IF NOT, WE WILL KEEP CHIPPING AWAY AT IT WITH THE RESOURCES
THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE.
I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE THAT BECAUSE THE SOUTH HOWARD
PROJECT AS DESIGNED DRAINS A DIFFERENT BASIN THAN NEW SUBURB
BEAUTIFUL, THAT SYSTEM IS AVAILABLE FOR FUTURE CONNECTIONS
TO OTHER ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT NEW SUBURB BEAUTIFUL
JUST DRAINS ELSEWHERE.
AND THIS GRANT THAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU, THIS $10 MILLIO
ITEM.
A FINANCIAL TRANSACTION.
BECAUSE COUNCIL APPROVED RIGHT OF THE GRANT OF THE LAST
COUNCIL MEETING CAN ONLY BE SPENT TOWARD THIS PROJECT OR
SPENT TOWARD RESILIENCY AND SEA LEVEL RISE STUDY.
A VERY NARROWLY TAILORED GRANT.
IT IS COMPETITIVE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT NOT
RECEIVING THESE FUNDS WILL NOT HELP, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THE
CHALLENGES THAT WILL BE BROUGHT UP OR CONCERNS THAT HAVE
BEEN BROUGHT UP BY THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO I HOPE YOU CONSIDER THAT.
AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
02:43:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. BHIDE.
BEFORE I GO TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.
I WAS HERE IN 2016 WHEN I VOTED FOR -- WHEN WE VOTED FOR THE
STORMWATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
AND I KNOW THIS IS A GRANT, BUT PART OF THAT QUARTER OF A
BILLION DOLLAR VEHEMENT, I REMEMBER TALKING TO FOLKS IN THAT
NEIGHBORHOOD SAYING IF YOU DON'T SUPPORT -- I WAS A SWING
VOTE.
IF YOU DON'T SUPPORT THIS NEIGHBORS WILL BE MAD BECAUSE OF
THE FLOODING IN TAMPA IN GENERAL.
I DID SUPPORT IT.
NOT GET IN THE STORY, BUT I HAVE SEEN MAJOR STORMWATER
PROJECTS IN PLACE SINCE THEN.
WESTSHORE BOULEVARD.
ESTRELLA.
ALL OF THAT AREA.
DALE MABRY, HENDERSON, TRUNK LINE.
I HAVE SEEN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS WHICH IS NOW IN PROGRESS.
AND WE HAVE THIS WHICH IS TO ADDRESS STORMWATER, BUT THEY
ARE INVESTMENTS WE NEED TO TAKE IN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND WE
HAVE FLOODING ISSUES.
WE HAVE DRAINAGE ISSUES.
HOWEVER, I RECEIVED SO MANY COMPLAINTS -- AND IT IS PART OF
IT.
PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION, YOU ARE GOING TO GET COMPLAINTS.
BUT THE WESTSHORE PROJECT.
THE DALE MABRY, HENDERSON PROJECT.
PEOPLE COMPLAINING OF ROADS BEING SHUT DOWN.
I HAVE SELFIES ON MY CELL PHONE OF ME WALKING INTO THE BOX
CULVERTS BEFORE THEY GET INSTALLED.
ME GOING DOWN THERE.
AND LISTENING TO THE NEIGHBORS SAYING WE CAN'T GET IN AND
OUT OF OUR HOUSE.
THE CONTRACTORS, WHICH HAVE BEEN GREAT, ON THAT WESTSHORE
PROJECT, THEY HAVE BEEN GREAT GETTING OUT WITH GOLF CARTS
AND WHATNOT.
I SAW A DISRUPTION IN THEIR LIVELIHOODS.
ROADS CLOSED.
ACCESS TO AMBULANCES.
ACCESS TO GET KIDS TO SCHOOL.
THEY ARE MAJOR PROJECTS AND THEY ARE VERY DISRUPTIVE,
ALTHOUGH THEY ARE NECESSARY.
SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, A DIFFERENT STORY ONGOING CONSTRUCTION,
ROADS TORN UP.
THIS ONE RIGHT HERE A GRANT OR NOT A GRANT, THE $10 MILLION
GRANT I AM TALKING ABOUT.
I WENT TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AS A MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENT IN
SWANN.
I KNOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD VERY WELL AND HOWARD AVENUE VERY
WELL.
LOOKING AT WHAT THE CITY GAVE IN A COMMUNITY MEETING THIS
WEEK, A MAP THAT SHOWED A DARKER SOLID LINE AT SWANN AND
DARK SOLID LINE ON HOWARD GOING TO BAYSHORE.
BUT WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, FOR EXAMPLE, GOING DOWN
BRISTOL, GOING DOWN, I BELIEVE, LAKEVIEW.
IT IS DOTTED.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS POSSIBLE ROUTES OR IF THERE IS
ROOM FOR NEGOTIATION HERE WHERE WE SAY, CAN'T WE JUST WORK
ON SWANN AND HOWARD AND WORK WITH THE BUSINESS AND THE
COMMUNITY HERE.
BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY, FOR EXAMPLE, AT LAKEVIEW, WHERE THE
GAZEBO IS AT.
A TRIANGULAR PIECE.
I HEARD FROM MANY NEIGHBORS.
IT NEVER FLOODS HERE AND THE DRAINAGE DITCHES ARE MORE
MODERN STYLE.
IT IS NOT LIKE -- ONE SECTION OFF OF -- I DON'T KNOW.
I FORGOT WHERE.
FARTHER DOWN.
A NEW GRATE -- A DRAINAGE GRATE.
AND THE DRAINAGE DITCHES ARE MODERN AT LAKEVIEW.
NEVER HAVE BEEN FLOODING THAT WE CAN REMEMBER.
FOLKS THAT LIVE THERE 20 YEARS.
IF YOU GO DOWN BRISTOL, A NARROW ROAD COMING OFF HOWARD WITH
A CENTER MEDIAN.
A LOT OF TREES THERE.
I WALKED THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AGAIN, I LIVED THERE MY WHOLE LIFE AND A LOT OF THOSE TREES
WERE THERE WHEN I WAS A KID, 50, 100 YEARS OLD.
MY CONCERN -- YES, WE CAN REPLANT, BUT THOSE TREES HAVE
TAKEN GENERATION TO GO.
AND WITH CONSTRUCTION WHEN YOU DIG UP ASPHALT AND BOX
CULVERTS AND PIPES.
YOU WILL DAMAGE THE ROOT SYSTEM, AND PEOPLE IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD THEY BUY FOR SEVERAL REASONS.
ONE, BECAUSE IT IS A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE.
SECOND, BECAUSE IT IS A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIRD, THE TREE CANOPY.
THE BEAUTIFUL TREES.
THEY PROVIDE SHADE.
THEY ALLOW FOR THE WATER TO DRAIN.
YOU KNOW THE BENEFITS OF TREES IN GENERAL.
MY CONCERN IS, CAN WE AVOID -- CAN WE MITIGATE HAVING TO GO
INTO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS GOING DOWN BRISTOL AND LAKEVIEW AND
FOCUS ON SWANN AND HOWARD.
AND NO COMPLETE ROAD CLOSURES BECAUSE I THINK WE ARE
LEARNING FROM THAT IN OTHER STORMWATER PROJECTS BUT I THINK
IT IS MORE MANAGEABLE WHERE WE HAVE LESS OF AN IMPACT ON
TREES AND PEOPLE.
LIVELIHOODS AND KIDS.
SO MANY REASONS.
I KNOW IT IS A VERY LONG-WINDED DISCUSSION ON MY PART, BUT
IS THERE ANY WIGGLE ROOM THAT WE CAN AVOID GOING INTO THE
NEIGHBORHOODS?
02:48:36PM >>VIK BHIDE:
I THINK THOSE ARE ALL EXCELLENT POINTS AND WE
HEARD THEM AS WELL, AND THEY ARE VERY, VERY VALID.
I MEAN, COMMUNITIES ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR LEGACY
STRUCTURES AND TREES AS ARE WE.
THE SIMPLEST THING I CAN SHARE, WE ARE INTERESTED IN LOOKING
AT ALL OF THE ROUTES.
SWANN, BRISTOL AND LAKEVIEW.
ULTIMATELY -- AND THIS IS WHAT WE SHARED WITH THE
COMMUNITIES AS WELL.
ULTIMATELY, THIS WILL BE AN ENGINEERING ANALYSIS THAT ALSO
TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THREE IMPACTS.
PEOPLE IMPACTS.
LIGHT TRAFFIC.
THEN, OF COURSE, COST AND FEASIBILITY AS WELL.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE --
02:49:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD.
02:49:29PM >>VIK BHIDE:
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE AND CLARIFY IS WHILE
THE PRIMARY AREAS WHERE FLOOD MITIGATION OR FLOOD RELIEF
WILL BE MOST IMPACTFUL IS PARKLAND ESTATES AND PARTS OF
SWANN AVENUE BETWEEN MacDILL AND ROME.
THIS IS A CLASSIC PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT THAT IMPACTS THE
COMMONS.
AND WHAT PART OF THE COMMONS IT WILL IMPACT IS INITIALLY
GOING TO BE AN ENGINEERING DECISION BASED ON THE CRITERIA WE
MENTIONED.
AND WE ARE COMMITTED TO BEING VERY TRANSPARENT AND PUTTING
ALL THE INFORMATION AND THE DATA IN FRONT OF THE COMMUNITY
AND IN FRONT OF COUNCIL.
AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
THAT RECOMMENDATION WILL -- WILL INCLUDE TREE IMPACTS.
AND IT WILL INCLUDE TRAFFIC IMPACTS AS WELL, ABSOLUTELY.
AND THEN -- ON THE PART WHERE -- YOU KNOW, ONE ROUTE WILL
HAVE TO BE SELECTED.
AND -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ROUTE IS.
WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO PUT THINGS BACK IN PLACE OR MITIGATE
AS MUCH AS WE CAN WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TREES, UNDERSTANDING
THAT, YOU KNOW, PLANTING TREES -- UNLESS THEY ARE
APPROPRIATE SPECIES ON TOP OF THE SYSTEM ITSELF, MIGHT
PRESENT MAINTENANCE CHALLENGES OR OTHER CHALLENGES IN THE
FUTURE.
BUT WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH ALL NEIGHBORHOODS TO FOCUS
ON PLANTING TREES WHERE WE CAN, RIGHT SPECIES, RIGHT PLACE.
02:51:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO IF THIS IS TO PASS TODAY AND WE MOVE THIS RESOLUTION,
WILL WE HAVE OTHER BITES AT THE APPLE AS A COUNCIL TO SAY,
HEY OF THIS A AFFECTING PEOPLE.
WE WANT TO CHANGE THIS.
OR?
GOING TO BE -- YOU APPROVED THE $10 MILLION.
WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT AND THEN YOU MAKE THE
DECISION.
BECAUSE I -- BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH SEVERAL
MAJOR STORMWATER PROJECTS.
WE GET INUNDATED TO CALLS AND E-MAILS.
WE HAVE BEEN TO THE SITE.
WE SEE HOW THEY AFFECT PEOPLE.
MAY NOT BE A LARGE AREA BUT IT IS.
HOWARD AVENUE IS LONG AND SO IS SWANN AVENUE.
THEY HAVE CONCERNED OF THE QUALITY OF THEIR ROADS.
WE KNOW THAT PAVING IS AN ISSUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
IN THIS CURRENT BUDGET, WE ALMOST TRIPLED THE ROAD PAVING
BUDGET.
IS THERE ROOM WITH $10 MILLION IN THIS GRANT TO APPLY TOWARD
PAVING.
AS THEY BROUGHT UP CONCERNS, EVEN THOUGH IT IS A DIFFERENT
STORMWATER SYSTEM, BECAUSE HOWARD IS IMPACTED AND SWANN IS
IMPACTED, CARS WILL BE GOING THROUGH THE ROADS.
WE WILL BE PAVING THE ROADS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN PAID IN
DECADES.
WE CAN LESSEN AND MITIGATE THE IMPACT.
AND GET MORE BANG FOR OUR BUCK.
PAVE ROADS THAT NEED TO BE WAIVED BECAUSE A LOT -- NOT JUST
LAKEVIEW, BRISTOL, HOWARD AND SWANN WHO WILL BE AFFECTED,
BUT THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD WILL BE AFFECTED.
I HAVE SEEN IT IN THE WESTSHORE AREA AND SEMINOLE HEIGHTS
AND WE CAN LEARN A LOT FROM THOSE PROJECTS.
AND DO THE BEST WE CAN AND MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS HERE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
02:52:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I DID A TOUR WITH PARKLAND ESTATES LAST WEEK.
AND IT WAS VERY CLEAR THAT BRISTOL IS JUST NOT
POSSIBILITY.
I WOULDN'T SUPPORT THAT AT ALL.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT HAPPENS.
YOU CAN'T JUST GO IN A NEIGHBORHOOD AND PULL OUT A PARK.
WHICH IS BASICALLY WHAT BRISTOL IS.
IT HAS A PARK IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.
SO I WAS SHOWN THE INITIAL RENDERINGS THAT TAKE IT FROM
SWANN HOW WARD AND I TALKED TO SOME PEOPLE AT YOUR
DEPARTMENT AND THEY SAID IT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN
CERTAINLY LOOK AT.
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THAT.
UNFORTUNATELY, AS WE FOUND WITH THE SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE
HEIGHTS STORMWATER PROJECT, NOT EVERY STREET THAT IS TOUCHED
IS AN ACTUAL AFFECTED STREET.
THE STREET SHUT DOWN FOR TWO YEARS, CREST, HAD NO FLOODING
PROBLEMS.
THE REASON THEY HAD TO DO CREST, THAT IS WHERE ALL THE WATER
FROM SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS WAS GOING TO GO.
SO I THINK, AGAIN, WHEN YOU MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY, THOSE
TYPE OF EDUCATIONS IS ALWAYS HELPFUL.
I SPOKE WITH BRAD BAIRD ABOUT UPDATING COUNCIL.
AND HE SAID THAT THIS PROJECT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE GREAT
EIGHT PROJECTS THAT THEY BRING BACK TO US, I BELIEVE IT IS
QUARTERLY.
THE FIRST QUARTER, WE WILL GET KIND OF LIKE -- THEY SAID
LIKE A 30% -- 30%, 60%, 90% CONCLUSION TO GET?
SET UP.
WE ARE AT THE 30%.
THE 60% IS WHEN THE NEXT GREAT EIGHT UPDATE IS.
AND 90% AFTER THAT IS THE NEXT GREAT EIGHT UPDATE I AM TOLD.
AND I WAS TOLD YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO MEET WITH THE
COMMUNITY AFTER THE PROJECT WAS 90% SO FOLKS CAN SEE WHAT IS
COMING.
IS THAT THE CASE?
02:54:52PM >>VIK BHIDE:
ACTUALLY, IF I COULD CLARIFY, WE ARE NOT AT
30%.
WE HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED DESIGN YET.
02:54:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY APOLOGIES.
02:55:02PM >>VIK BHIDE:
IT WILL TAKE SEVERAL MONTHS TO BE AT 30%.
30, 60, 90, WE WILL COME TO COUNCIL WITH THE GREAT EIGHT
UPDATES AND WE WILL COME ANY NUMBER OF TIMES TO PROVIDE
UPDATES THAT COUNCIL PLEASES WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO
THAT.
IF ANYTHING, WE HAVE ACCOUNTED FOR THE FACT THAT WE NEED
MORE COMMUNICATION THAN WE HAVE DONE IN DIFFERENT STORMWATER
PROJECTS AND THAT IS WHY WE WILL HAVE A COMMUNICATION PLAN.
AND IF THE COMMUNITIES WANT TO BE MORE IN TOUCH THAN WE HAVE
SAID, WHICH IS 30, 60 AND 90% DESIGN UPDATES, WE ARE MORE
THAN ANTICIPATE WHO DO SO.
ALL OF THE INFORMATION I RECEIVED.
DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS AND DIFFERENT BUSINESS ASSOCIATIONS
AND MAY ALL HAVE DIFFERENT INTERESTS.
AND MAKE IT AVAILABLE AND TRANSPARENT ON OUR WEB SITE SO
EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR.
AS FAR AS RESURFACING GOES, WE HAVE EARLY WORKS THAT WILL
INCLUDE RESURFACING ON SEVERAL STREETS AROUND HOWARD.
WE KNOW THERE WILL BE IMPACT DURING AND AFTER THE PROJECT.
WE HAVE PLANNED FOR POSTS.
AFTER THE PROJECT, WE WILL LEAVE THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN BETTER
SHAPE AS THEY ARE TODAY.
AS FAR AS SOME COUNTY MORE CHALLENGING ASPECTS, SPECIFICALLY
LIKE NEW SUBURB BEAUTIFUL, I THINK GIVEN THE HISTORY BEHIND
IT AND THE DIFFERENT THINGS WE ARE HEARING.
UNDERSTAND THE COMMITMENT AND NEEDS.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO LET THAT GO.
WE WILL HAVE SMALL PROJECTS EVERY FISCAL YEAR IF NEEDED.
IF WE ARE ABLE TO GET A BIG CHUNK OF FUNDING THROUGH THE
STATE, THROUGH THE FEDS, WE WILL LOOK EVERYWHERE.
AND WE WILL WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
YOU HAVE MY COMMITMENT ON THAT.
OUR DEPARTMENT IS COMMITTED TO THAT.
02:57:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GREAT.
AND -- THE OTHER THING I WANT ODD TO POINT OUT THAT THIS $10
MILLION IS A VERY SMALL PORTION OF THE COST TO DO THIS
PROJECT.
SO I AM VERY EXCITED THAT WE HAVE GOT THIS TO GO TOWARD
THIS.
BUT THERE ARE OTHER MONEY WITHIN THE PROJECT THAT WE CAN DO
OTHER THINGS.
AND I JUST WANT TO END WITH THIS.
WHEN I WOKE UP THIS MORNING, AND I OPENED THE "TAMPA BAY
TIMES" NEWSLETTER.
ONE OF THE STORIES OF RESIDENTS OF ST. PETE BECAUSE THEY
DON'T HAVE ANY STORMWATER HELP COMING THEIR WAY.
I AM THANKFUL THIS WAS PASSED, AND WE ARE WORKING ON IT.
IT IS NOT FUN TO GO THROUGH.
IT WILL NOT BE FUN TO GO THROUGH, BUT THE HELP THAT WE HAVE
SEEN, THE ACTUAL MITIGATION, HAS PROVEN TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
SO THERE IS THAT.
AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO YOUR TEAM FOR MANAGING
THAT HAPPEN.
THIS IS SO IMPORTANT TO US.
AND, YOU KNOW, REALLY BEING ABLE TO STOP AND TAKE THAT IN.
THE OTHER THING I WANT ODD TO SAY IS THAT IF YOU HAVEN'T
ALREADY, DURING THESE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, YOU MAY WISH TO
BRING UP THE NEWSLETTER THAT -- AND THE UPDATES THAT ARE
E-MAILED TO SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
THE FOLKS THAT SIGNED UP FOR THE E-MAIL.
JUST TO SHOW THE KINDS OF INFORMATION THAT PEOPLE WILL BE
GETTING IF THEY SIGN UP FOR THE NEWSLETTER.
I THINK THAT CAN HELP ALLAY FEARS AS WELL, BECAUSE TO SHOW
THE KINDS OF INFORMATION THAT THE CITIZENS IN SEMINOLE
HEIGHTS ARE RECEIVING SO THAT THEY KNOW -- SO FOLKS IN THIS
SWANN AND HOWARD AREA KNOW THE KIND OF INFORMATION THEY WILL
BE GETTING AND POSSIBLY RETROFITTING IT TO FIT THEIR NEEDS.
02:59:05PM >>VIK BHIDE:
THAT IS A GREAT SUGGESTION.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING THAT THESE ARE GENERATIONAL
PROJECTS.
THESE WILL BENEFIT TAMPANIANS 50, 60, 70 YEARS FROM NOW AND
WE RECOGNIZE THEY ARE NOT CONVENIENT WHILE CONSTRUCTION GOES
ON, HOWEVER NECESSARY THEY ARE.
02:59:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WANT TO ECHO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND SAY
THANK YOU TO THE VISIONARIES THAT SERVED ON PREVIOUS
COUNCILS AND ADMINISTRATIONS THAT BROUGHT THE STORMWATER
IMPROVEMENTS FORWARD AND GOT US TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
WE HAVE GOT STILL YEARS AND YEARS OF WORK IN FRONT OF US,
BUT I THINK THIS ADMINISTRATION AND HOPEFULLY FUTURE
ADMINISTRATION ALSO MANAGE THAT APPROPRIATELY AND WILL SEE A
MUCH BETTER TAMPA AND MUCH MORE CLIMATE RESILIENT TAMPA
BECAUSE OF THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE BY PREVIOUS
ADMINISTRATIONS OF PREVIOUS COUNCILS.
MR. BHIDE, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS OF THE SPECIFIC
PROJECT.
AND SOME OF IT YOU MAY HAVE CLARIFIED BUT I WANT IT
CLARIFIED AGAIN.
THIS PARTICULAR PHASE OF THIS PROJECT, THE ROUTE OR MAY OR
MAY NOT AFFECT PARKLAND ESTATES, THERE IS NO DEFINITIVE
ROUTE YET, CORRECT?
03:00:18PM >>VIK BHIDE:
THAT'S CORRECT.
03:00:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MAY NOT INCLUDE THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS.
MAY INCLUDE JUST SWANN AND HOWARD?
03:00:28PM >>VIK BHIDE:
A POSSIBILITY.
ONE OF THE ROUTES CONSIDERED.
03:00:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT I UNDERSTAND AND NOT SCIENTIFIC BUT
ANECDOTAL, BECAUSE THE WATER MOVEMENT NORTH OF TOWN COMES
FROM THE AREA NORTH OF SWANN.
I SEE A RIVER COMING PAST MY HOUSE.
WE SEE A LOT OF THE WATER SHED COME IN AREAS NORTH SWANN,
PAST SWANN AND INTO PARKLAND ESTATES.
WILL THIS PROJECT MITIGATE OR STOP THAT FLOW OF WATER COMING
FROM NORTH OF SWANN SOUTHBOUND.
AND REDIRECT IT INTO THE STORMWATER CATCHES?
03:01:12PM >>VIK BHIDE:
MY UNDERSTANDING IS BECAUSE OF PARKLAND ESTATES
-- WATER FLOWS TO THE LOWER AREA.
BECAUSE PARKLAND ESTATES IS AT A LOWER ELEVATION, WE ARE
CREATING A SYSTEM THAT WILL DRAIN IT VIA HOWARD INTO
BAYSHORE.
EFFECTIVELY WHAT THAT WILL MEAN IS WATER THAT FLOWS DOWN ALL
THE WAY FROM KENNEDY, IT MORE OR LESS FLOWS DOWN.
WE HAVE A SYSTEM AND BY HORATIO AND SWANN AND ALL OF THAT.
SOME OF THAT ACTIVITY WILL STILL HAPPEN.
WATER IS GOING TO FLOW TO THE LOWEST SPOT.
HOWEVER, ONCE IT REACHES PARKLAND, IT WILL -- ONCE IT
REACHES SWANN, IT WILL ENTER A SYSTEM THAT WILL BE CONNECTED
TO THE BAY.
03:01:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SOUNDS LIKE THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION
IS, YES, THIS WILL MITIGATE THAT NORTH-SOUTH FLOW THAT IS SO
ADVERSELY IMPACTING, ESPECIALLY THAT ONE AREA AROUND THE
PARK THAT IS SWAMPY AND DEFINITELY SUBJECTED TO FLOODING.
MY NEXT THING IS, I DON'T -- I WON'T VOTE FOR SOMETHING THAT
WILL AFFECT BRISTOL.
SO, TO ME, THAT HAS TO BE OFF THE TABLE.
BECAUSE I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH BRISTOL.
I HAVE BEEN ON BRISTOL MANY, MANY TIMES IN MY LIFE INCLUDING
RECENTLY.
A STREET WITH HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE.
THE HISTORIC LANTERN IN THE MIDDLE OF IT AND THE LITTLE PARK
THEY HAVE.
THE TREES ARE AMAZING AND ANY WORK ON BRISTOL -- JUST LIKE I
BELIEVE THE CITY ARBORIST RULED OUT SOUTH OF LAKEVIEW
BECAUSE OF THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE GRAND OAKS ALONG THE
STREET.
THEY CAN'T DO THAT.
I THINK WHATEVER YOU DO HAVE HAS TO BE THE AREA SOUTH OF
LAKEVIEW AND BRISTOL.
HAS TO BE COMPLETELY OFF THE TABLE.
AS THIS MOVES FORWARD, I WON'T SUPPORT THAT.
WE HAVE SOME LAND -- YOU KNOW THAT WHOLE TRIANGLE THAT -- I
CAN'T REMEMBER -- I THINK IT WAS PARKLAND.
THAT LITTLE TRIANGLE WHERE THEY DEAD-ENDED THAT STREET.
SO A LOT OF LAND THERE THAT WOULD BE LOWER IMPACT THAT WE
CAN UTILIZE FOR WHATEVER, AND THEN MOVE IT ALONG THAT
COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.
SWANN IS A BROAD STREET.
WIDE STREET.
AND OTHER WAYS TO GET AROUND BECAUSE IT IS A GRID SYSTEM IN
THE AREA.
LOWER IMPACT ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF SWANN AS WE CLOSE.
I WOULD HIGHLY ENCOURAGE -- AND DESIGN-BUILD AND THE PEOPLE
AROUND PARKLAND ESTATES AND HOWARD, THAT THIS IS
DESIGN-BUILD AND YOU HEARD FROM THE HEAD OF MOBILITY THAT
NOTHING IS CONCRETE.
THERE WILL BE MORE CITIZEN INVOLVEMENT AS THEY MOVE FORWARD
AND PROGRESSION OF THIS PROJECT.
AND YOU HEARD MY STATEMENT THAT I WILL STAND IN OPPOSITION
TO ANYTHING THAT IMPACTS THOSE SIGNIFICANT TREES.
THOSE GRAND OAKS.
AND BRISTOL AVENUE.
AS WE PURSUE OTHER OPTIONS AND THE STORMWATER PROJECT IS A
VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT AND WILL GET THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF
GOOD FOR THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF PEOPLE TAKING THOSE POINTS
INTO ACCOUNT.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
FOR MY FRIENDS IN NEW SUBURB BEAUTIFUL.
I HAVE ALL YOUR E-MAIL ABOUT YOUR ROADS.
I DON'T NEED TO DEMINIMIZE YOUR ROAD SITUATION, BUT LET ME
TELL YOU THE ROADS ALL OVER SOUTH TAMPA ARE THIRD-WORLD
QUALITY.
IT HAS BEEN -- THIS IS 50, 60, 70 YEARS IN THE MAKING.
WE HAVE AS A CITY BEEN NEGLIGENT.
WE HAVE IGNORED OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND BY TIME PEOPLE STAND UP IN THE CITY AND IMPROVE THEIR
ROADS AND FIX THEIR POTHOLES.
03:04:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
03:04:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, VIK FOR A GRANT OF $10,061,000
WAS SUBSTANTIAL.
YOU DID A FANTASTIC JOB OF OBTAINING THAT.
WITHIN THE 10,061,435.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO ACCOMPLISH AS A REALISTIC INDIVIDUAL
THAT I THINK I AM.
HOW MUCH OF THE FLOODING WE GOING TO SAVE PLUS THE MONEY YOU
HIT FROM OTHER SOURCES?
BECAUSE WATER AND THIS IS IT GOES SOMEWHERE ELSE.
IN ONE TIME IT WAS PIPES GOING SOMEWHERE.
AND ALL AROUND THE BAYSHORE.
THOSE PIPES ARE 16 TO 18 INCHES WIDE.
MAYBE 20.
I DON'T KNOW.
YOU CAN SEE THEM WHEN THE TIDE IS LOW.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN AND HOW DOES THE DRAINAGE -- AT WHAT
POINT IN TIME OF WATER FALLING DOWN OF THE AREAS, TWO
INCHES, FIVE INCHES, TEN INCHES, DOES IT SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
DOES IT SOLVE THE PROBLEM FOR ANY HURRICANE LIKE A ONE, TWO
AND THREE.
GET TO THE FOUR OR FIVE AND I WANT TO BE REALISTIC WITH THE
PUBLIC.
WHAT WE ARE DOING AND HOW MUCH WE ARE GOING TO SAVE THE
NEIGHBORHOOD FROM WATERING -- FLOODING NOW AND THE WATER
SITUATION IN THAT AREA.
BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T SAY WE CAN SOLVE WITH
A HURRICANE.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN.
I AM JUST SAYING TO FIND OUT.
WHEN YOU GO AND SPEAK TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS, IT WILL BE VERY
IMPORTANT IN MY MIND TO TELL THEM WHAT AMOUNT OF WATER IS
GOING TO BE CONSUMED BY THE NEW PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON.
BECAUSE CERTAINLY WHEN THE TIDE IS COMING IN AND YOU HAVE
THE WIND BLOWING AND THE TIDE COMING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND
THE WIND BLOWING IN THE SAME DIRECTION, NO WATER WILL BE OUT
AND HIGHER THAN THE PIPES TAKING THE WATER OUT.
SO WE WILL HAVE A COMPRESSION OF A VALUE, WEIGHT, AND THE
INCOMING TIDE IS MUCH GREATER THAN THE WATER GOING OUT.
THESE ARE THINGS I WANT TO HAVE EXPLAINED TO THE
NEIGHBORHOOD EXACTLY WHAT IT CAN DO AND WHAT CANNOT DO.
I STRESS -- YOU WILL OF US HAVE GOTTEN THE SAME E-MAILS FROM
THE SAME INDIVIDUALS THAT OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS HAVE GOTTEN.
I AM NOT GOING TO SAY SAVE THE WATER AND DRAINAGE.
I AM TELLING THEM TO BE REALISTIC.
WHEN YOU GO OUT, BUT SOLVE THE PROBLEM UP TO WHAT POINT.
03:07:08PM >>VIK BHIDE:
ABSOLUTELY.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT POINT.
WE TRIED TO MAKE IT AS IMPORTANT.
AND DESIGNING FOR A FIVE-YEAR 24-HOUR CONDITION.
AND WHAT IT WILL DO IS MAKE IT SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER.
SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT FROM THE SITUATION TODAY.
BUT THERE IS JUST NOT ENOUGH FOR A CATEGORY 3, 4 OR 5 FROM A
STORM STANDPOINT.
I AM GLAD YOU MENTIONED IT.
THE FLOOD MITIGATION, THE FLOOD RELIEF SITUATION WILL BE
SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER THAN IT IS TODAY.
BUT IT WON'T BE WITHOUT ANY IMPACT IN HURRICANES AND THINGS
LIKE THAT.
JUST THAT IT WILL DRAIN MUCH, MUCH FASTER AND MAKE THE AREA
MORE LIVABLE THAN IT IS TODAY.
03:08:14PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
03:08:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY ELSE?
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF.
DO YOU WISH TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
03:08:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOTION.
03:08:24PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SECOND.
03:08:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU, MR. BHIDE.
DO YOU ALSO HAVE ITEM NUMBER 53?
I SEE BRAD BAIRD.
03:08:37PM >>VIK BHIDE:
THAT MIGHT BE BRAD'S ITEM.
03:08:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BE MR. BAIRD, IF YOU WERE ONLINE OR
ANYBODY FOR 53?
YES, MA'AM.
03:08:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T THINK WE NEED HIM.
JUST BECAUSE -- YEAH, IT IS JUST -- JUST SUCH AN EXPENSIVE
ITEM, THAT IS WHY --
03:08:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
03:08:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO MOVED.
03:08:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SECOND.
03:08:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
53 AND 54, SINCE THEY ARE COMPANIONS.
03:09:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE WILL TAKE THEM ONE AT TIME.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
GET A MOTION FROM 54.
03:09:09PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SO MOVED.
03:09:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SECOND.
03:09:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
ALL RIGHT.
WE HAVE TAKEN CARE OF 55.
56.
57, 58 AND 59 ARE FIRE-RELATED.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
03:09:24PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
JUST FOR 57 AND 58.
I SAW THE MEMOS.
I THANK CHIEF TRIPP FOR THE DETAILED MEMOS UNDER ISSUES
WITH TFR THAT DON'T REQUIRE THE TIME OF COUNCIL ESPECIALLY
-- I MEAN AT THIS TIME.
ESPECIALLY THE CUT THROUGH FROM MORRIS BRIDGE ROAD TO K-BAR
RANCH.
MANY THINGS HAVE BEEN TALKED TO HELP OUT K-BAR BUILDING A
MODULAR STATION, FIRE STATION, TRANSPORT VEHICLE WHICH WAS
MENTIONED IN THE MEMO, CUT-THRU.
WHATEVER IT IS.
20 HAIL MARYS.
I WANT 20 HAIL MARYS.
I WANT ANSWERS TO THAT AND TFR AND LOCAL 754.
THIS REQUIRES SOME TIME TO DISCUSS SOME OF THE OPTION
PROPOSED BY TFR.
IF I MAY, I WANT TO HAVE THESE TWO ITEMS RETURNED TO US IN
LET'S SAY THE FINAL WEEK OF MAY WILL GIVE US ENOUGH TIME.
03:10:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LET'S LOOK AT SOME DATES.
FINAL WEEK OF MAY PLEASE HAVE.
WE HAVE -- WE HAVE WORKSHOP ON THE 23rd, THE REGULAR SESSION
IS MAY 15.
IS THAT GOOD FOR YOU.
03:10:38PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
03:10:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA FOR THESE
TO COME BACK MAY 16 UNDER STAFF REPORT.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
THAT IS FOR 57 AND 58.
03:10:48PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
AND THAT WILL REQUIRE SOME WORK WITH THE COUNTY.
SO, YEAH.
03:10:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ITEM NUMBER 59, REGARDING THE
REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION.
WE HAVE A MEMO FROM MR. MICHAEL PERRY AND IS ALSO A
RESOLUTION.
MR. ROGERO IS HERE.
YES, SIR.
03:11:03PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL, DENNIS ROGERO,
CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
I'M HERE MOSTLY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL MAY
HAVE.
THIS IS A REVISED REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION THAT COUNCIL
REQUESTED FOR FIRE STATION 24 AND THE FIRE MAINTENANCE AND
SUPPLY FACILITY.
MANISCALCO ORDINANCE ANY QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMAN VIERA FOR MR. ROGERO?
03:11:31PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. ROGERO, FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK ON
THAT.
I HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE THESE COME TO US QUARTERLY?
03:11:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I BELIEVE SO.
03:11:42PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THEN I HAVE NOTHING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HARD WORK.
THIS IS A VERY BIG STEP FORWARD FOR TAMPA FIRE RESCUE AND
SOMETHING REALLY WONDERFUL.
SO IT WILL BE OUR THIRD FIRE STATION IF YOU INCLUDE 25 WHICH
IS MEDICAL ONLY SINCE 2018.
THAT IS GOOD STUFF.
SO MOVED IF I MAY.
03:12:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:12:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHILE I HAVE HIM HERE, CAN I QUICKLY GET 6
DONE.
BECAUSE THIS INVOLVES MR. ROGERO AS WELL.
I SAID WE DIDN'T NEED ANYONE THERE, BUT JUST IN CASE --
03:12:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE HE IS.
03:12:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HE IS ALREADY HERE.
03:12:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MENTION YOUR NAME THREE TIMES AND HE
APPEARS.
03:12:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, IT IS MAGIC.
BUT BASICALLY THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IN
THE BUDGET CYCLE OF HAVING THE $2 MILLION THAT WE PAY FOR
PEOPLE'S CREDIT CARD FEES TO PAY THEIR BILLS.
MR. ROGERO AND HIS TEAM HAVE COME UP WITH SUCH A GREAT WAY
TO MOVE FORWARD OF THIS AS A PERCENTAGE.
HE GAVE US ALL THE BACKGROUND WHICH I AM SURE EVERYBODY
LOOKED AT.
I JUST WANT TO MOVE AHEAD AND SAY I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE
FORWARD WITH THE % THAT THE CITY WILL USE -- THAT THEY,
THEMSELVES, WILL ADMINISTER.
03:13:05PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, MA'AM.
03:13:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DIDN'T THINK WE NEEDED A LOT OF
CONVERSATION, BUT JUST DIRECTION.
03:13:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A FORMAL MOTION?
03:13:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MAKE A MOTION WE GO AHEAD AND FOLLOW THE
STAFF'S SUGGESTIONS FOR THE 2% FEE.
03:13:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSE?
03:13:25PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
03:13:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP WITH THAT.
03:13:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ITEM NUMBER 61.
MISS FEELEY HAS A POWERPOINT THAT HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY
SUBMITTED.
YES, SIR?
MR. ROGERO.
03:13:41PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE WILL NEED FOR YOU TO BE HERE FOR THE
SALARY DISCUSSION.
03:13:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE WILL DO IT AT THE END OF THE AGENDA.
03:13:56PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
ABBYE FEELEY, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT FOR
THE CITY.
THIS IS A CONTINUED ITEM ON THE YBOR PARKING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
JUST WANTED -- I KNOW YOU HEARD UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT THIS
MORNING SOME FEEDBACK AND ALSO IN CHAMBERS THIS MORNING.
I AM BEFORE YOU TODAY TO PROVIDE A STAFF REPORT ON ANY -- ON
RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO IMPROVE THE SATURDAY AND SECURITY OF
PARKING LOTS IN YBOR, THE PERSONNEL REQUIREMENTS AND THE
EXPLANATION OF ENFORCEMENT.
WITH US WE HAVE KEITH O'CONNOR, THE DIRECTOR OF CODE
ENFORCEMENT.
CAPTAIN FROM THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, SUSAN
JOHNSON-VELEZ WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, AND ALSO
CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE AND ERIC COTTON.
WE ALL HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS COLLECTIVELY TOGETHER
BECAUSE IT IS A BIG ISSUE.
NOT JUST A LAND DEVELOPMENT ISSUE.
I THINK I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU ALL AND SHARE
WITH YOU THAT WHILE WE CAN WRITE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES, IF
WE ARE NOT WORKING TOGETHER WITH TPD AND CODE ENFORCEMENT ON
A LOT OF THESE MATTERS, WE ARE NOT GAINING ANY GROUND OF
BRINGING THESE LOTS UP TO OUR STANDARDS AND THEN ALSO THE
ACTIVITY THAT IS WITH THE LOTS.
SO THE LAST TIME I WAS BEFORE YOU, WE HAD DISCUSSED MANY
THINGS.
THE PHYSICAL CONDITIONS, THE OPERATIONAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE
LOTS.
WE WERE HERE SEPTEMBER 28 THE LAST TIME.
AND WE HAD SEVERAL -- WE HAD SOME OPERATORS HERE THAT WERE
SPEAKING ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON.
AND THEN BEING INFORMED.
WE HAVE ISSUED A LETTER TO THE OPERATORS LETTING THEM KNOW
THEY WERE TO COME IN COMPLIANCE AND GAVE THEM A 06-DAY GRACE
PERIOD TO DO THAT AND BEGAN ENFORCEMENT OCTOBER 1.
KEITH WILL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE NUMBERS THAT ARE GOING
ON.
WE HELD TWO ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY MEETINGS, ONE IN YBOR AND
ONE IN HANNA TO TALK OF THE CONCEPTS WE TALKED ABOUT.
WHEN WE CAME ON THE 28th, WE TALKED ABOUT CHANGING THE
PERSONNEL REQUIREMENT AND MANAGING THAT EITHER A LICENSED
SECURITY OFFICER -- WE HAD SOME LANGUAGE AT THAT TIME THAT
HAD COME FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT ON WHAT THAT OFFICER
WOULD BE AS LICENSED FROM THE STATE OF MR.
FROM THAT TIME UNTIL NOW.
I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY AS WAS MENTIONED TO YOU THIS MORNING,
TO LOOK AT THE ORLANDO ORDINANCE, THAT ACTUALLY USED
OUR ORDINANCE TO DRAFT THEIR ORDINANCE.
BUT THEY HAD DIFFERENT COMPONENTS TO OUR CODE THAT WE
CURRENTLY DIDN'T HAVE.
TALKED OF THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS GLEANED FROM THEIR
CURRENT -- THEIR CURRENT REGULATIONS.
I JUST WENT OVER THIS.
WE ARE HERE.
WE DID -- HISTORIC PRESENTATION, RON VILA FROM DENNIS TEAM
AND OTHER MEMBERS OF KEITH'S TEAM DID A WINDSHIELD.
DOCUMENTED THE LOTS WHETHER THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE.
THAT IS HOW WE GENERATED SOME ENFORCEMENT THAT TOOK PLACE.
WE DID A PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS OF THE YC-5 AND 6 DISTRICTS.
THESE ARE DISTRICTS THAT ALLOW PRINCIPAL PARKING BY RIGHT AS
A PERMITTED USE.
CURRENTLY, ONLY SIX VACANT PARCELS IN THOSE TWO DISTRICTS.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE KEPT HEARING IN THE PUBLIC.
WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE LOTS, RIGHT.
YBOR IS BECOMING MORE RESIDENTIAL.
WE ARE SEEING INFILL OF HOUSES.
WE WANT INFILL OF HOUSES.
WE DON'T WANT INFILL OF LOTS.
SO WE LOOKED AT WHAT WOULD THAT MEAN IF WE SAID NO MORE
LOTS.
WHO WILL THAT IMPACT IF WE TOOK THAT USE AWAY.
RIGHT NOW IT IS ONLY SIX VACANT LOTS.
AS WE KNOW IN THE DISTRICT, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO DEMOLISH
A HOUSE WITHOUT GETTING THE APPROVAL OF THE BARRIO TO THEN
BECOME A PARKING LOT.
BUT REALLY, WE ARE CONTINUING TO TRY TO LOOK AT, WHERE IS
OUR CODE FALL SHORT.
WHAT CAN WE DO.
SO I HAD MORE INFORMATION ON THAT AS WELL.
AND THEN THE CONCEPTS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
AS I MENTIONED TO YOU, THIS IS A VERY MULTIFACETED MATTER.
NOT ONLY IS IT A LAND USE MATTER OR ENFORCEMENT MATTER, WE
ARE IN ONE OF FIVE LANDMARK DISTRICTS IN THE STATE.
WE ARE TRYING TO BE VERY SENSITIVE OF HOW WE ARE APPROACHING
THIS.
WHILE IT IS TAKING SOME TIME, I DON'T WANT TO PROVIDE YOU
WITH A HAPHAZARD RECOMMENDATION THAT I DON'T THINK IS
BALANCED WITH RESPECT TO THE VISION -- THE VISION FOR THE
DISTRICT.
HERE IS A MAP.
THIS IS BASED OFF OF THE INVENTORY THAT WE -- WE CONDUCTED
AND YOU WILL SEE THE CITY'S LOTS ON HERE SHOWN IN ORANGE.
HCC IS YELLOW.
THE PRIVATE LOTS ARE SHOWN IN BLUE.
AND WE HAVE -- THE PRIVATE PAID LOTS SHOWN IN PINK.
SO YOU CAN SEE PREDOMINANTLY THAT THEY ARE LOCATED, YOU
KNOW, ALONG 5th, 6th AND 8th.
I AM GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO KEITH TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON
THE ENFORCEMENT.
AND THEN WE WILL CONTINUE ON.
03:19:31PM >>KEITH O'CONNOR:
THANK YOU, ABBYE, KEITH O'CONNOR, DIRECTOR OF
NEIGHBORHOOD ENHANCEMENT.
I WILL GO OVER AN ENFORCEMENT UPDATE THAT PETITION BEGAN IN
THE FALL.
FOR CLARIFICATION, SINCE WE HAVE TWO AVENUES GOING HERE,
BASICALLY THE ENFORCEMENT UPDATE IS THE EXISTING CODE.
A LOT OF TALK OF WHAT THE CODE MAY BECOME, BUT OBVIOUSLY
RIGHT NOW I CAN ONLY ENFORCE THE CODE AS IT STANDS.
BEGINNING OCTOBER 8, A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE LOT ATTENDANCE.
BECAUSE ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT MAY GET ADJUSTED IN THE CODE
CHANGE.
WE STARTED TO DO INSPECTIONS FOR THE LOT ATTENDANTS.
AND OCTOBER 8, WE BROUGHT EIGHT CASES TO THE SPECIAL
MAGISTRATE NOVEMBER 5.
AS OF EIGHT CASES, TWO WERE FOUND HAVE NO VIOLATION.
TWO WERE FOUND HAVE A VIOLATION WITH A $200 FINE.
FOUR WERE FOUND IN VIOLATION WITH A $50 FINE.
THOSE FINES WERE ASSESSED.
AND SINCE THEN, WE HAVE NOT FOUND ANY MORE LOT ATTENDANT
VIOLATIONS SINCE THEN.
WE HAVE BEEN OUT INSPECTING THE LOTS EVERY WEEKEND SINCE
NOVEMBER 1.
SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU HEAR A LOT ABOUT THAT.
AS SOON AS THEY LEARNED WE WERE COMING, THAT TOOK CARE OF
ITSELF.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, BAR INSPECTIONS, 50 BARS EACH WEEKEND
WITH COMPLIANCE WITH THE REST OF THE CODE, WITH THE TPD AND
THE FIRE MARSHAL OFFICE.
WE WENT BACK DOING THAT CONTINUALLY.
THIS WILL BE TAPERING OFF AS WE GOT THROUGH THE HOLIDAY
SEASON AND THE PARADE SEASON AND NOT GOING OUT HERE JUST AS
INTENSELY.
THE DAYTIME INSPECTIONS, THOSE INSPECTIONS ARE ONES FOR THE
REST OF THE CODE.
EVERYTHING THAT -- WHETHER IT IS HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND
OTHER ZONING CODE, WE ARE GOING OUT THERE.
LIKE ABBYE SAID.
THERE WAS A WINDSHIELD VIEW OF ALL THE LOTS.
WE FOUND ABOUT 20 THAT WE HAD WHAT WE THOUGHT WERE
VIOLATIONS.
AND AFTER -- ONCE WE STARTED REVIEWING THEM, WE REALIZED
THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE A VERY LABOR INTENSIVE -- BECAUSE
WE ARE BASICALLY CHECKING EVERY PART OF THE LOT TO MAKE SURE
IT IS IN COMPLIANCE.
WE INITIALLY STARTED IT.
YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE 24 CASES OPEN.
FOUR CASES WERE CLOSED.
AND -- NOW WE HAVE COME UP WITH ANOTHER MINI, LIKE, TASK
FORCE WHERE WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE CODE CASE BY CASE.
IT IS LABOR INTENSIVE.
I AM NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND TELL YOU IT IS NOT TAKING A
LONG TIME, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN WE ARE NOT DOING IT.
WE ARE DOING IT CASE BY CASE BY CASE.
WE HAVE MANY MEETINGS.
THE NEXT MEETING NEXT WEEKEND WHERE WE ARE GOING TO MEET --
THEY LOOKED AT ALL THE 30 LOTS AND COME TOGETHER AS A TEAM,
ZONING, HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND CODE ENFORCEMENT.
FIND OUT WHAT THE VIOLATIONS AND WILL REMEDY.
I SPOKE WITH ALAN AND NECESSARY CONTACT OF THREE OF THE MAIN
OWNERS OF THE LOT TO GET A HEAD START TO GET THEIR LOTS IN
COMPLIANCE.
A LOT OF IT INVOLVES RESEARCH.
LOTS WERE IN PLACE SINCE THE '80s.
WHEN THEY WERE PERMITTED WE CHANGED TO TRY TO GET THEM BACK.
UPDATE FOR THE ENFORCEMENT FOR NOW.
LIKE I SAID, I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO THINK -- I KNOW IT IS A
SLOW PROCESS, BUT WE ARE WORKING FOR GETTING THESE LOTS INTO
COMPLIANCE WHICH IS THE GOAL OF CODE ENFORCEMENT.
03:22:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:23:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST A QUICK QUESTION.
03:23:02PM >> OKAY.
03:23:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BECAUSE A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS ARE CONCERNED --
OR THE E-MAILS WE HAVE GOTTEN, IT IS STILL A DIRT LOT, THIS
AND THAT WITH THE LIGHTING.
THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING IT INTO
COMPLIANCE.
AND THIS LOOKS -- AS I KNOW IS OLDER -- FOR JANUARY 25.
AND THINGS MIGHT HAVE CHANGED, BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 20 OPEN
CASES IF NOT MORE WHERE WE ARE WORKING THROUGH IT WITH THE
OWNER OF THE LOT, CORRECT?
03:23:33PM >> AT LEAST 30 WE CAN SEE HAVE SOME TYPE OF VIOLATION.
AND WE ARE GOING TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO GET TO THOSE, BUT
LIKE YOU SAID, IT DOES TAKE TIME.
WE STARTED OUT -- LIKE IF WE GET A COMPLAINT ON ONE
PARTICULAR LOT, THE FENCE IS DOWN, WE GO OUT.
OKAY, THE FENCE IS DOWN.
WE WRITE IT UP.
WE DIDN'T CHECK TO SEE IF THERE WAS ENOUGH SPACES OR
PERMITTED FOR THIS MANY.
WE CHECKED ON THE FENCE.
WE HAVE BEEN ASKED TO CHECK EVERYTHING.
AND WE HAD TO GO BACK.
WE DON'T WANT TO MISS ANYTHING.
AND I KNOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS VERY INVOLVED AND
WE ARE TRYING TO GET TO IT AND IT HAS BECOME A LONG, ARDUOUS
PROCESS THAT IS ONGOING.
03:24:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC UNDERSTOOD
THAT.
THANK YOU.
03:24:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY AS MUCH.
YES, MA'AM.
03:24:22PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I ALSO CHECKED WITH MY TEAM.
ANYBODY WHO IS COMING IN FOR A PERMIT OR FORMAL
DETERMINATION GOES THROUGH THE BARRIO.
GO THROUGH DENNIS'S SHOP.
DENNIS AND RON.
AND ALL THOSE LOTS GET A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO
MAKE SURE THEY ARE COMPLYING WITH THE KEYED.
IF THEY DID NOT HAVE A PERMIT OR SOME DID, THEY NEED TO SEEK
THAT PERMIT OR NEED TO SEEK A FORMAL DETERMINATION FROM ERIC
OR ENTER INTO ANOTHER PROJECT.
WE HAVE FOUR MAJOR OPERATORS, AND OUR TEAM HAS ACTIVELY BEEN
ENGAGED WITH THOSE FOUR.
NOW SOME STILL HAVE NOT TAKEN ANY FORMAL ACTION, BUT IF THE
CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTION IS COMING.
JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE COMING TO SPEAK TO US, THOSE ARE NOT
GOING AWAY.
THOSE PROCESSES ARE CONTINUING.
AS KEITH SAID, THE OBJECTIVE IS COMPLIANCE.
SO CONCEPTS FOR CONSIDERATION.
I WILL GO THROUGH THESE.
THIS IS JUST AN OVERVIEW OF THE ONES THAT I AM GOING TO
PRESENT.
SO WE WILL JUMP RIGHT IN.
THE FIRST ONE IS PARKING OFF-STREET PRINCIPAL.
THAT IS HOW THE LOTS GET CREATED.
IN THE YELLOW, CREATED IN TWO DISTRICTS, YC-5 AND 6.
PRINCIPAL USE OF THE PARKING LOT.
THE PRINCIPAL USE IS PARKING.
THOSE -- I MENTIONED CONSIDER CURRENTLY WITHIN THOSE TWO
DISTRICTS, SIX VACANT PARCELS.
IF YOU WERE TOP SAY WE ARE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THAT ANYMORE,
THAT WILL IMPACT 6.
THE OTHER THEY THINK -- THE POINT BROUGHT TO YOU BY
MICHELINI LAST WEEK OR SO, IT WILL MAKE THE EXISTING USES
NONCONFORMING WHICH WOULD.
IS STATED TO BE PROBLEMATIC FROM AN INSURANCE PERSPECTIVE.
IF THAT IS THE CASE SINCE THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, THE OTHER
OPTION ON THIS WOULD BE TO POTENTIALLY MAKE THIS A SPECIAL
USE-2, CONDITIONAL USE THAT MEETS THE CRITERIA AND REQUIRED
FOR A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THIS BOARD.
THAT IS AN AT TESTIFY TO THOSE AND NOT MAKE THE EXISTING
ONES NONCONFORMING, BUT A SPECIAL USE TO IT BE CONFIRM GOING
THEY ARE LEGITIMATE.
SO THEY WILL NOT BE A NONPERFORMING USE.
IT WILL BE CONFORMING IN THAT CASE.
THE UNIFORM PERSONNEL SECURITY IS ONE OF THE LARGEST PARTS
OF THE CONVERSATION THAT THINGS CHANGED PERSONNEL-WISE.
PEOPLE DON'T PAY WITH PERSONNEL.
WHAT IS THE INTENT OF PERSONNEL.
AND WE HAD SOME VERY INTERESTING DISCUSSIONS OF THE PAST TWO
PUBLIC MEETINGS ON THIS.
SO -- ORLANDO DOES REQUIRE A UNIFORMED PRIVATE SECURITY
OFFICER.
AND YOU CAN ALSO HAVE IT BE A LICENSED BONDED SECURITY
OFFICER.
AND SOME OF THE EARLIEST MEETINGS, THE DISCUSSION SURROUNDED
THAT THIS PERSON NEEDED TO BE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC.
IF THERE WAS AN ATTENDANT, THE AN TEND ANT IS IN THEIR CAN.
IT IS NOT VISIBLE.
AND NOT PROVIDING THE PRESENCE IN THE OPERATION OF THE LOTS.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATION OR CONSIDERATION FOR YOU WOULD BE ONE
OF THOSE TWO.
TO EITHER USE THE LICENSED BONDED SECURITY GUARD.
IT CAN SAY LICENSED BONDED PRIVATE SECURITY OFFICER.
LICENSED BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND LOCATED IN A VISIBLE
LOCATION ON THE PROPERTY.
03:28:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:28:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
DOES A UNIFIED PRIVATE SECURITY OFFICER.
DOES THAT MEAN A PERSON DOES OR DOES NOT CARRY A GUN?
03:28:14PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THEY WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO.
03:28:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS IS NOT WHAT ORLANDO IS USING.
COMPLETELY LEGAL WITH THE STATE OF FLORIDA?
NO ONE HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT?
OKAY.
CURRENTLY ORLANDO DOES THE UNIFORMED OR LICENSED OR ALLOW
THE CHOICE.
03:28:29PM >> I BELIEVE THEY USED THE SECOND.
LICENSED, BONDED SECURITY GUARD.
I HAVE THEIR ORDINANCE.
03:28:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EXCUSE MY NAIVE TEE.
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO?
03:28:44PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ACTUALLY IS ONE.
03:28:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MAYBE ONE OF THE LAWYERS KNOWS.
IF NOT, JUST FINE.
I AM JUST CURIOUS.
03:28:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LICENSED THEN BONDED.
03:28:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I KNOW THIS PROBABLY HAS BEEN ASKED OR
ANSWERED SINCE I HAVE BEEN ON COUNCIL OR SINCE I HAVE BEEN
HERE AND I JUST FORGOT.
HOW IS THIS APPLIED THROUGH THE VARIOUS TYPES OF PARKING
LOT, COLUMBIA RESTAURANT HAS BIG PARKING LOTS.
THE CITY HAS BIG PARKING LOTS.
THIS APPLIED TO PARKING LOT TO PARKING LOT OR PRIVATELY HELD
PARKING LOT.
03:29:25PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THE COLUMBIA WILL BE PRIVATELY HELD BUT NOT
A PAID LOT.
THESE ARE FOUR LOTS THAT RECEIVE PAYMENT.
THE CITY OF TAMPA DOES PROVIDE THAT SERVICE, AND AS
MENTIONED, WE PROVIDE ABOVE AND BEYOND -- WE HAVE OUR OWN
OPERATING STANDARDS.
SO WE ARE -- WE DO HAVE SECURITY.
03:29:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DO RECALL THAT PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
I KNOW THE UNPAID PARTS OF THE PARKING LOT.
CONCERNS OF CONSISTENCY.
03:29:52PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
FOR THE ORLANDO ORDINANCE, TO CLARIFY THAT.
THEIR STANDARD IS WHEN A LOT IS PROVIDING PARKING AFTER 10
P.M. IF YOU ARE PROVIDING PARKING AFTER 10 P.M., THOSE
CONDITIONS APPLY TO YOU.
IF YOU CLOSE AT 5 P.M., THEN YOU ARE NOT NEEDING IT.
YOU DON'T THEN HAVE TO HAVE THAT SECOND LAYER OF OPERATIONAL
STANDARDS.
03:30:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOR ORLANDO, IS THAT FREE OR NOT FREE?
03:30:20PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
PAID LOTS.
03:30:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF THEY ARE OPEN UP AND IT IS FREE, IT
DOESN'T APPLY.
03:30:27PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
CORRECT.
FOR PAYMENT AFTER TEN DAYS.
SIGNAGE.
THIS WAS ONE THING THAT CAME TO OUR ATTENTION THROUGH
DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PUBLIC.
RIGHT NOW I HAVE THE CURRENT CODE REQUIREMENTS ON THERE.
ONE THING WE FOUND DURING OUR WIND CHILL SURVEY THAT MANY
LOTS HAVE EXCESS SELF AMOUNTS OF SIGNAGE.
SIGNAGE IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
20 SIGNS FOR ONE LOT AND WE HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS
RELATED TO SIGNAGE.
WE CLEARLY -- THERE SHOULD NOT BE SIGNS ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY
ADJACENT TO THE PARKING LOTS.
IMPEDING ON THE PEDESTRIAN WAY.
IT IS A HAZARD.
WE ALSO DISCOVERED THAT MANY LOTS ARE MISSING AND NOT A
REQUIREMENT OF THE CODE.
SECTION 14-64 AND RELATES TO PUBLIC CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL.
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO SAY AND HAVE A SIGN THAT SAYS -- LET ME
GO AHEAD WITH A FEW.
UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON TO CONSUME ANY ALCOHOLIC
BEVERAGE ON PROPERTY UPON WHICH THE OWNER HAS POSTED THIS
SEEN.
AND SAYS WHAT THAT NOTICE SHOULD BE.
THAT WAS ONE THING WE NEED TO UPDATE OUR CODE THAT THESE
SIGNS NEED TO BE POSTED WITHIN.
AND WE SHOULD HAVE A SET STANDARD FOR WHAT THOSE SIGNS
WITHIN THE LOTS WILL BE.
BUT GOING BACK, ALSO, WE SHOULD HAVE OURS OF
OPERATION, TOWING INFORMATION.
THESE ASSIGNMENTS CAN BE FOR NONPAID LOTS AS WELL.
WHEN WE STARTED OUT, WE WERE NOT LOOKING AT THE NONPAID
LOTS.
AND I -- AND IF IT IS THE DIRECTION WE TRAVEL IN, THAT IS
COUNCIL'S WISH THAT THESE STANDARDS AIR PLY TO ANY LOT.
I THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK AND ANALYZE THAT.
GETTING ALL OF THIS TOGETHER WAS A VERY LARGE UNDERTAKING
AND I DIDN'T WANT TO EXPAND OUT OF AREAS AND DO THIS PART
FIRST AND THEN GO ON TO THE NEXT STEPS.
SO, ALSO, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
IF WE REQUIRE LOTS TO PHYSICALLY CLOSE AND I WILL TALK ABOUT
THAT COMING UP, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE A NOTIFICATION ON THERE
IF THEY ARE NOT IN OPERATION WHO YOU WOULD CONTACT TO
POTENTIALLY RETRIEVE YOUR CAR.
A LOT OF THIS LOOKS INTO DRINKING AND STRIVING AND PEOPLE
TRYING TO GET THEIR CARS OUT WHEN YOU ARE REALLY JUST TRYING
TO SECURE THE PROPERTY IN A WAY SO LOITER SOMETHING NOT
HAPPENING.
AFTER THE CLUBS HAVE CLOSED, 2 A.M.
AND IT IS REALLY BALANCING ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT
REGULATIONS TOGETHER.
SO THE OTHER RECOMMENDATION THAT IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE
SLIDE RELATED TO THE SIGN POSTING FOR THE ALCOHOL, BECAUSE
THE CONSUMPTION IS, IF WE PUT THIS INTO CHAPTER 27.
AND IN BOTH 14 AND 27 GIVES BOTH TPD AND CODE ENFORCEMENT
THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE THIS.
UNIFIED BUFFER REQUIREMENTS.
RIGHT NOW THE CODE IS CONFUSING.
TWO DIFFERENT STANDARDS.
ONE BEING 175-SQUARE-FOOT LOT, ONE IF IT IS ABOVE.
ALSO REQUIRES LANDSCAPING WITH OR WITHOUT IRRIGATION.
IT DOESN'T SEEM TO FLOURISH VERY WELL IN THAT AREA.
BECOMES AN EYESORE.
FOOT TRAFFIC IS TRAMPLING ON IT.
SO WE ARE PROVIDING A CONSIDERATION THAT WE APPLIED
UNIFORM BUFFERING STANDARD.
THREE FOOT OR FOUR-FOOT ALONG THE RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT WILL BE
CONSISTENT TO THE DISTRICT'S STANDARDS AND INTERIOR LOT
LINES WILL HAVE A MINIMUM OF SIX FOOT FOR A MAXIMUM OF
EIGHT-FOOT FENCE.
WHEN YOU ARE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL, YOU WILL HAVE TO
PROVIDE A FIVE-FOOT DISTANCE FROM THE FENCE TO THE SPACES
RIGHT NOW WE WILL DO THAT A WALL WITH 15 FEET.
SOME ARE SMALL LOTS AND WOULD NEVER GET SPACES AT ALL.
WE ARE TRYING TO FIND A BALANCE THAT WILL PROVIDE THAT
BUFFERING, BUT ALSO PROVIDE LESS MAINTENANCE ON THE LOT
WHERE IT IS BEING MAINTAINED AND NOT AN EYESORE.
ALL FENCE ALSO BE REQUIRED TO MEET THE SIGHT VISIBILITIES.
IF ALTERNATIVES WERE REQUESTED, THEY WOULD GO THROUGH DENNIS
03:35:28PM >> A NEW ORLANDO DOES USE.
THE OPERATOR SAYS I INTEND TO OPERATE THIS LOT AND HERE IS
HOW I AM MEETING THE CODE.
YOU HEAR ME TALK A LOT OF TIMES I DON'T LIKE PUTTING
DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
THERE IT IS RIGHT THERE.
LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS REGULATE LAND, NOT OPERATIONS.
THIS WILL PROVIDE A MECHANIC, A PLAN THAT WILL BE SUBMITTED
TO DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION OR ACTUALLY GO THROUGH DENNIS
EACH YEAR TO SHOW HERE IS MY LOT.
I INTEND TO OPERATE IT AS A LOT DURING THE 150 -- 10 P.M. TO
4 A.M.
THIS IS HOW I AM COMPLYING WITH THE BUFFERING AND SIGN
REQUIREMENTS.
HERE IS THE CONTACT INFORMATION.
HERE IS THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
AND THEN IT WOULD GO FROM THERE.
THAT IS NOT INTENDED TO BE BURDENSOME OR IT WOULD -- IF YOU
ARE DOING IT YEAR AFTER YEAR, YOU WOULD SIMPLY PROVIDE AN
AFFIDAVIT THAT YOU ARE CONTINUING TO OPERATE IN THE SAME WAY
THAT YOU FILED THE YEAR BEFORE.
I THINK WE CAN WORK THAT OUT IN A MORE MEANINGFUL WAY THAT
PUTS US ON NOTICE OF THE OPERATOR'S INTENT.
AND GIVES US THAT ANNUAL CHECK OF COMPLIANCE.
03:36:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I MEAN, THAT IS THE SAME AS GOING ON SUN
BIZ AND IF YOU GIVE A REPORT.
ANNUAL BUSINESS LICENSE AND EVERY YEAR -- I AM LOOKING AT
BOTH SIDES.
I AM LOOKING AT BOTH SIDES.
YOU ARE OPERATING.
YOU HAVE A SITE PLAN.
IF NOTHING CHANGES, YOU CAN KEEP SUBMITTING EVERY YEAR.
COMMITMENT TO PROVIDE SECURITY.
YOU HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE SECURITY COMPANY.
BASIC INFORMATION, HOURS OF OPERATION.
AND THEN SIGNAGE, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW,
DECLUTTERING, INSTEAD OF 20 SIGNS ON THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS WHO YOU REPORT.
THIS IS THE TOWING.
I THINK THAT IS FAIR.
I DON'T THINK IT IS BURDENSOME.
YES, SIR.
03:37:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SIGNAGE.
ENTRANCES AND EXITS.
THERE ARE SOME PARKING LOTS WITHIN A FEW FEET OF EACH OTHER,
EVEN IF YOU RESTRICT SIGNAGE, DUPLICATION OF SIGNAGE
HERE AND TEN FEET LATER SIGNAGE THERE.
MULTIPLE ENTRANCES TO ITS SAME PIECE WHICH IS KIND OF ODD TO
ME.
THE SIGNAGE CLUTTER IS ABSOLUTELY CRAZY.
DOESN'T OUR CURRENT CODE RESTRICT THAT?
MAYBE THIS IS A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.
SHOULDN'T WE BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE SIGNS.
I SEE SIGNS THAT ARE TOO BIG.
AGAIN, MULTIPLE SIGNAGE ON THE LOTS.
IT IS JUST CRAZY WHAT I'M SEEING ON SOME OF THESE
PROPERTIES.
DO WE ACTUALLY NEED CODE OR DO WE NEED ENFORCEMENT?
03:38:27PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
WELL, THE MISSING SIGN, THE ONE RELATED TO
THE ALCOHOL.
WE DO NEED TO CHANGE THE CODE FOR THAT.
03:38:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT CAN BE INCLUDED ON --
03:38:34PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
CORRECT.
03:38:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
-- ONE GENERAL INFORMATION SIGN AND HAVE
THAT INCLUDED.
03:38:40PM >> EACH SHALL CONTAIN ONE SIGN WITH ONE INFORMATION.
03:38:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS IS HOW YOU PAY.
THIS IS WHERE YOU GOT TOWED.
03:38:48PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YES.
AND I CAN LET KEITH SPEAK, BUT I BELIEVE WE CAN ENFORCE
TODAY.
03:38:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S DO THAT.
[LAUGHTER]
03:39:00PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
KEITH MAY TELL YOU OTHERWISE.
03:39:02PM >> TALKING OF SIGNS THAT ADVERTISE THIS IS ACME PARKING LOT.
THAT SIGN WOULD HAVE LIMITATIONS IN THE CODE ON HOW BIG IT
CAN BE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT -- YOU ONLY ALLOWED THREE EXIT
SIGNS PER EXIT OR WHATEVER, THAT I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS
WRITTEN IN THE CODE THAT WAY OR THAT SPECIFIC, IF IT IS
WRITTEN IN THERE AND IT IS A RULE, THEN WE CAN ENFORCE IT.
03:39:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BLOCK THAT.
MAYBE AGAIN WHEN WE DRAFT THIS WHAT THE PARKING LOT LOOKS
LIKE.
HOW MANY ENTRANCES AND EXITS.
THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC.
AND COMING IN AND OUT.
I SEE SOME THAT ARE HAPPEN HAS HARD.
03:39:44PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES WE HAVE FOUND.
THEY RECEIVED A PERMIT.
FOR TEN SPACES IN CONFIGURATION.
AND NOW IT IS 2 SPACES IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
CONFIGURATION.
THAT IS PART OF THE ENFORCEMENT WE ARE HANDLING.
LIKE YOUR BLC PERMIT WAS TO THIS.
YOUR OPTIONS ARE TO RETURN TO THIS OR COME AND GET A NEW
PERMIT TO BECOME THIS.
THAT IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES WE ARE FACING BRINGING
THIS BACK IN COMPLIANCE.
03:40:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS IS WHY STAFF CRINGES WHEN PANDORA'S
BOX OPENS.
BALLS YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT WILLFULLY OUT OF IT.
03:40:26PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
IT'S OKAY.
IT'S OKAY.
IMPLICATIONS AND NEXT STEPS.
IF WE PROCEED ON REMOVING THE PRINCIPAL PARKING AS A
PERMITTED USE.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS.
IT CAN MAKE THE LOTS NONCONFORMING.
THEY CAN HAVE SPECIAL.
IF WE WENT TO THE SPECIAL USE ROUTE, IT WOULD NEGATE SOME OF
THE INSURANCE ISSUES RAISED BY SOME COUNTY OPERATORS, BUT
STILL ALLOW FOR LOTS TO BE ELEVATED TO A DIFFERENT LEVEL.
THEY ARE NOT PERMITED ANYMORE.
THEY ARE CONTINUAL USES.
THEY HAVE A SET OF STANDARDS AND REQUIRED A PUBLIC HEARING
BEFORE THIS BOARD.
03:40:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:41:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST A QUICK QUESTION.
WILL THE PARKING LOTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY PERMITTED --
PERMITTED UNDER FIVE AND SIX BE ALLOWED TO BE MOVE INTO SU-2
OR DO THEY ALL HAVE TO COME IN FRONT OF US.
03:41:22PM >> A CONDITION IN THE CODE CONSIDERED SPECIAL USES
CONSIDERED NOT TO BE NONCONFORMING.
IT SHOULD BE THAT THEY ARE CONSIDERED TO BE CONFORM CAN.
BUT IT IS AN OLD PROVISION.
PLACES OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY USED TO BE A PERMITTED -- NOW
THEY ARE A SPECIAL USE.
IF YOU WERE A CHURCH BEFORE THAT, YOU ARE LEGIT BUT THERE
ARE CONDITIONS.
IF YOU EXPAND, IF YOU CEASE OPERATION, I CAN BRING THEM BACK
TO YOU -- IF WE GO IN THIS DIRECTION, DIRECTION.
IF YOU CEASE OPERATION FOR 180 DAYS, THEN, YES, YOU WILL
HAVE TO COME BAND ACT YOU BASICALLY SAID I LOST MY LOT.
AND NOW I WANT TO RE-ESTABLISH UNDER THE SPECIAL USE.
WON'T BE COMPLETELY TAKEN AWAY BUT WILL COME BEFORE THIS
BOARD FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
THIS COUNCIL.
03:42:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR, COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
03:42:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HATE TO TALK SO MUCH.
I KNOW WE ARE TALKING OF YBOR CITY BUT THE CITY AS A HOLE.
IS SPECIAL USE A DESIGNATION THAT WE CAN USE FOR THE
EXPANSION OF PARKING.
LIKE -- ANYWHERE ELSE.
SO LET'S SAY -- OKAY, NOW WE COME TO A FULL STOP NOW ON
SURFACE PARKING EXPANSION.
AND THEN PEOPLE HAVE TO APPLY FOR SPECIAL USE TO BE ABLE --
THAT THEY WANTED TO START IT AS PARKING LOT.
03:42:41PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
SO IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY THERE ARE
DIFFERENT REGULATIONS.
I AM GOING -- WE ARE GETTING READY TO KICK OFF THE CODE
REFORM.
03:42:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CAN REFER TO A PRIVATE CONVERSATION.
03:43:00PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
A CODE REFORM AND GET AN ANALYSIS OF OUR
CODE BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN THERE SINCE '87, YOU KNOW.
WE HAVE PRIORITIES WITHIN THOSE DISCUSSIONS SUCH AS HOUSING
AFFORDABILITY.
IF ANY OF THAT IS ONE OF THAT.
AND WE WILL COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
03:43:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
03:43:17PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ONE THING I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH SUSAN
AND CAMARIA ON, IF WE PUT THESE NEW STANDARDS IN, AS A LOT,
YOU ARE NOT VESTED.
WE PUT IN AN ANNUAL OPERATING PLAN.
IF YOU HAD A LOT FOR 20 YEARS, LANGUAGE IN THE CODE THAT
SAYS AS OF JULY 1 OF 2024, ALL EXISTING LOTS ARE SUBJECT TO
THE FOLLOWING.
WHERE WE BRING EVERYBODY INTO THIS NEW SET OF REGULATIONS.
03:43:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU WOULD PRESENT THIS AS THE FEBRUARY 2
WORKSHOP TO GIVE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO
SPEAK IF THEY COME.
03:43:57PM >> WE WILL PUT THIS INTO THE JANUARY CYCLE.
IS THAT RIGHT?
WHICH WILL BE IN FEBRUARY.
SO LIKE WE COME TO YOU WITH THOSE AMENDMENTS.
WE COME AND DO THE PUBLIC INFORMATION WORKSHOP AND DO WHAT
WE DO.
THE JANUARY CYCLE IS IT JUST STARTING RUNNING.
IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT WE CAN PUT IT INTO THAT AND IT WILL
GO LIKE A REGULAR TEXT AMENDMENT AND HAVE THOSE SAME MEET
WILLING AND IS IT WOULDN'T BE FOR A LITTLE WHILE UNTIL IT
GOT ADOPTED, BUT IT WOULD -- JULY 1 WILL BE THE TARGETED
EFFECTIVE DATE.
03:44:31PM >> OKAY, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:44:35PM >> SHORT OF, LIKE WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAME UP WITH
BEFORE.
WE ARE GIVING YOU THE BLESSING TO GET STARTED ON THIS.
BUT STILL PUBLIC WORKSHOP.
STILL A LOT BEFORE.
ANYTHING THAT WE DECIDE TODAY IS NOT IN STONE YET.
WE ARE TELLING YOU THE DIRECTION OF WHICH WE WOULD LIKE YOU
TO GO.
03:44:58PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YES.
03:44:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYTHING ELSE IN YOUR PRESENTATION?
03:45:00PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THAT'S IT.
03:45:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WOULD YOU LIKE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL TO
GIVE YOU DIRECTION?
03:45:07PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YES, PLEASE.
03:45:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAD HER HAND UP.
YES, SIR, MR. SHELBY.
03:45:12PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST A QUESTION WITH REGARD TO THE DATE.
DID YOU SAY THE 22nd OF FEBRUARY?
IS THAT WHAT YOU STAYED?
03:45:19PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YES.
03:45:21PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE WORKSHOP.
03:45:22PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
RIGHT NOW FEBRUARY 22 IS THE WORKSHOPS THAT
HAVE THE JANUARY TEXT AMENDMENTS ON THERE.
03:45:30PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE WHATEVER
INFORMATION UPLOADED?
03:45:34PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
WE DRAFTED THE ORDINANCE ALREADY.
OUR TEAM'S DISCUSSION THAT PUTTING THE LANGUAGE OUT THERE
BEFORE WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH YOU EVEN THOUGH WE
COULD HAVE AND REALLY WANT TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE
NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE -- THE STAKEHOLDERS IN MATTER, BUT WE
WANTED TO HAVE TODAY.
WE PULLED BACK ON THAT.
BUT WE DO HAVE IT DRAFTED, YES.
WE HAVE -- THE BONES PUT TOGETHER AND WE NEEDED DIRECTION
FROM TODAY AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO GET IT PUT TOGETHER.
03:46:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SO THAT PERSONALLY, I -- I
THINK THE SU-2 VERSION IS THE WAY TO GO, BECAUSE IT WILL
PROTECT THE CURRENT LOT OWNERS, BUT IT DOESN'T -- BUT IT
ALSO ENCOURAGES MOVING FORWARD WITH THOSE LOTS IF PEOPLE WIN
TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH THEM.
THE ONLY OTHER BIG DIFFERENCE FOR ME.
I LIKE EVERYTHING IN HERE.
I DON'T HAVE A -- AGAIN, I AM GOING TO HAVE TO -- I GUESS WE
WILL JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE LEGAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A
--
03:46:40PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
WE CAN WORK ONLY IT.
03:46:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TYPES OF SECURITY GUARDS.
03:46:44PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
WE CAN WORK ON THAT.
03:46:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE STANDARDS SHOULD
APPLY TO ALL LOTS.
BECAUSE I FIND THAT THE TWO-LOT THING IS CONFUSING FOR
PEOPLE.
I MEAN, IT IS EITHER A LOT OR IT IS NOT A LOT.
EITHER GOING TO BE OPEN AFTER 10:00 OR NOT.
I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOME CONSISTENCY THERE.
03:47:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY, COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
03:47:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
I SWORE TO GOD I WASN'T GOING TO TALK AGAIN, BUT HERE I AM.
MY GUT TELLS ME THE SAME THING.
I WANT CONSISTENCY.
EQUAL PROTECTION.
MAKES SENSE TO ME AS FAR AS WE HAVE ONE STANDARD -- HONESTLY
I WOULD LIKE ONE STANDARD ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY AND NOT
SPECIFIC TO JUST ONE AREA.
AS WE LOOK FORWARD TO FUTURE CONVERSATIONS, I APPRECIATE THE
FACT THAT YOU ARE WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE
PROPERTY OWNERS TO MAKE SURE -- EVERYBODY HAS INTEREST IN
THIS.
AND I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE DO THAT I BELIEVE THE
COMPLIANCE ISSUES AND ENTRANCES, I BELIEVE WE NEED TO GET
THAT IN LINE WITH THE DIRECTION OF THE CITY.
I APPRECIATE THAT STAFF HAS DONE THIS.
I KNOW THIS IS BURDENSOME.
SENSITIVE.
IT IS DIFFICULT, DIFFICULT WITH THE COMMUNITY.
I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU AND EVERYBODY ELSE HAS DONE WITH START
OF THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANT FROM US OTHER THAN GO FORWARD AND
CONQUER.
YOU HEARD THE COMMENTS, I SAY GO FORWARD AND MOVE FORWARD
WITH THIS AND BRING US BACK A DOCUMENT AND LET US MOVE
FORWARD WITH THE DOCUMENT.
03:48:22PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
LET ME ASK THE NONPAID VERSUS HAVE PAID,
YOU WANT THE PHYSICAL STANDARDS TO BE THE SAME, FENCING,
BUFFERING, SIGNAGE, BUT NOT THE SECURITY ACCESS.
ONLY FOR THOSE LOTS THAT ARE OPERATING AFTER 10 P.M. AND
TAKING PAYMENT.
IF THE COLUMBIA RESTAURANT CLOSES AT 11:00, THEIR LOT
SHOULDN'T BE USED.
IF THE PARKING IS DIRECTLY TO, IT IS NOT PLAIN PAL PARKING.
PRINCIPAL PARKING WHEN THE LOT IS PARKING AND NOT ASSOCIATED
WITH ANY OTHER USE.
03:49:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD LIKE HEAR THE SENTIMENTS OF OTHER
COUNCILMEMBERS.
03:49:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GENTLEMEN, LADIES, MA'AM?
03:49:18PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I AM LISTENING TO THE PRESENTATION AND I
WANT TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF STAFF AND ALL THE HARD WORK YOU
HAVE DONE.
I UNDERSTAND IT.
THE PRIVATE PARKING LIKE THE COLUMBIA REQUIRING THE SAME
SIGNAGE.
IT IS REASONABLE AND CAN'T BE CONFUSE HAPPENING IN IS MY
ONLY QUESTION.
03:49:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY ELSE?
NO?
WAIT, WAIT, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND THEN GO BACK.
03:49:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO GUARDS -- OH, I AM
SORRY.
03:49:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
GO ON.
03:50:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL JUST SAY THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT
SHOULD HAVE A DEEPER CONVERSATION.
INITIALLY IF THEY CLOSE AT 11.
I THINK THEY CLOSE AT 12.
A TWO-HOUR THING AND THE ISSUE IS, ARE PEOPLE PARKING.
I WILL BE HONEST, I AM NOT DOWN THERE AS MUCH.
ARE PEOPLE PARKING IN THOSE LOTS ANYWAY EVEN IF THERE ARE
NOT PEOPLE THERE.
THAT IS THE BIGGER ISSUE FOR US.
IS SOMEONE USING THAT PARKING LOT AFTER MIDNIGHT BECAUSE I
DON'T THINK THEY HAVE GATES ON THAT PARKING HOSPITAL.
03:50:34PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I REALIZED THAT I DID NOT COVER THAT PART.
I THINK I WENT THROUGH IT.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ORLANDO DOES REQUIRE.
WHEN YOU ARE DONE OPERATING THE LOT, THE LOT IS DONE, YOU
CLOSE IT.
YOU PHYSICALLY PLACE AND HAVING THAT CONVERSATION WITH
DENNIS BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE,
RIGHT.
IF IT WILL WOOD PICKET FENCE OUT THERE.
WHEN THE LOT CLOSES, THEY EACH SHOULD HAVE A SECTION OF
FENCE THAT THEY THEN REATTACH AND IT IS PHYSICALLY CLOSED SO
YOU CAN NOT ENTER THE LOT ONE THE LOT'S HOURS OF OPERATION
HAVE CEASED.
SAME THEY THINK IF YOUR CAR HAPPENS TO BE IN THERE, YOU NEED
TO CONTACT.
IF THE LOT REOPENS TOMORROW YOU GET IT VERSUS SENDING
WRECKERS AT:30 IN THE MORNING NEXT TO THE HOUSE TO RIB
MOVING THE CARS.
ONE ASPECTS IN US DISCUSSING THAT.
THAT I MISSED THAT IN MY PRESENTATION.
03:51:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PANDORA'S BOX.
03:51:36PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
IT'S HARD.
03:51:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT IS.
WE SHOULD GO FORWARD WITH STANDARDS APPLYING TO ALL LOTS.
WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING LIKE IF YOUR LOT CLOSES FROM 12.
FROM 10 TO 4.
IF YOUR LOT CLOSES AT 12, YOU WILL ONLY NEED A -- I DON'T
KNOW.
I WILL TAKE THAT BACK TO BOTH THE LOTS AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD
AND SEE WHAT THEY THINK.
BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE IMPACTED BY IT.
03:52:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
03:52:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FROM WHAT I HEARD, THE COLUMBIA DOES NOT
CHARGE, CORRECT?
03:52:09PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THEY DO NOT.
03:52:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
LOT ON 7th AVENUE ON THE NORTH SIDE.
THE LOT SOUTH THAT GOES TO THE NEXT BLOCK.
SHARED BETWEEN THEMSELVES AND THE RESTAURANT ACROSS THE
STREET THAT THEY OWN POTATO OF THEM.
HOW ARE THEY GOING TO COME OUT OF IT -- THEY DON'T CHARGE
ANYTHING.
WILL THEY HAVE A WATCHMAN THERE?
03:52:33PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I DIDN'T HEAR THAT.
03:52:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE COLUMBIA ON THAT
DEAL.
THEY ARE A PARKING LOT FOR THEMSELVES WITHOUT CHARGING.
NC.
HOW ARE THEY GOING TO BE TREATED, THE SAME WAY?
03:52:45PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THAT'S WHY I WAS HANDS LING THE PAID LOTS
FIRST.
THAT IS THE CODE CURRENTLY HAS STANDARDS THAT ARE ATTACHED
TO THE PAID LOTS AND WE HAVEN'T MOVED ON TO THE NONPAID LOTS
YET.
SOME OF THE MESSAGE IF YOU ARE GOING TO REQUIRE THIS OF A
PAVED LOT, YOU SHOULD REQUIRE IT OF A LOT ALSO.
I AM HEARING THAT, BUT I HAVE NOT THOUGHT THROUGH WHAT THAT
NONPAID SITUATION WILL BE YET WHY I ASKED.
THE PHYSICAL PART OF IT.
WANT IT BUFFERED AND HAVE FENCING AND OTHER THINGS.
BOTH THE PHYSICAL AND OPERATIONAL.
03:53:23PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I BROUGHT THE COLUMBIA UP BECAUSE THEY
DON'T CHARGE.
THE TWO LOTS, THE BIG ONES IN THE FRONT AND THE BACK.
THEY ARE RARELY -- BECAUSE ALL THOSE HAVE PAVING.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE ONE ON THE EAST SIDE.
MOST OF THAT HAVE BEEN PAVED AND AN ALLEYWAY THEY HAVE THE
RIGHTS TO, SO.
I AM NOT HERE TO DEFEND EVERYONE, A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PAID
AND NONPAID.
IF NOT, WHAT ARE WE HEAR FOR.
03:53:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
ARE YOU GOOD?
HAVE YOU RECEIVED ENOUGH FEEDBACK?
[LAUGHTER]
WOULD YOU LIKE TO --
03:54:03PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DO WE NEED A MOTION?
03:54:09PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD.
03:54:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOVE FORWARD ON THE PAID STANDARDS AND
REVISIT THIS.
THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT HOW THROUGH OUR
CODE INCENTIVIZE THROUGH THE PARKING.
BONUSES OR SOMETHING TO INCENTIVIZE OWNERS OF THE PARKING
SURFACE PARKING LOT TO THE DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTIES AND DO
WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO.
ALL FOR FUTURE DISCUSSION, BUT I MOTION FOR STAFF TO MORE
FORWARD ON PAID PARKING LOTS AND THE OTHERS TO BE CONTINUED.
03:54:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IS THERE A SECOND?
03:54:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
03:54:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
MR. SHELBY?
03:54:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DOES THIS INCLUDE ADDING SOMETHING TO THE
FEBRUARY 22 WORKSHOP?
IT HAS NOT BEEN SET -- IS IT INCLUDED IN THIS.
03:54:55PM >>ERIC COTTON:
ERIC COTTON, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
STAFF IS BRINGING ON THE 22 FOR THE JANUARY CYCLE.
INFORMATION FORWARDED TO COUNCIL AND SIGNED AND SUCH.
THIS WILL BE AN ADDENDUM TO THAT.
WE CAN ADD THAT IN.
THAT SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM.
03:55:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PART OF THE MOTION.
03:55:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE DON'T NEED THE MOTION.
03:55:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO IT IS SAID.
SO IT IS WRITTEN.
03:55:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
JUST FOR CLARITY SAKE.
FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN AND SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:55:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST SO WE DON'T LOSE SIGHT
OF IT.
THE NEXT CYCLE, THE JULY CYCLE, WE START CONSIDERING THE
REST OF THE LOTS.
I JUST DON'T WANT THAT TO BE FORGOTTEN.
AND I ALSO -- BECAUSE I KNOW IT IS A BONE OF CONTENTION WITH
SOME OF THE OWNERS AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD TOO.
SO LET'S SAY THAT WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO GET THAT FOR THE
JULY CYCLE.
IS THAT FAIR?
03:55:55PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YES, I DID SAY THAT THE CODE REFORM WILL
KICK OFF.
SOME TIME, I WANT US REALLY -- BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO BE
PARTED THAT TO COLLECTIVELY FOCUS ON WORKING ON THAT REFORM
WITH ERIC AND I AND NOT HAVE PARALLEL TRAVELLED PADS OF TEXT
AMENDMENTS BECAUSE OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE COHESIVE
UPDATE TO THE PLAN.
YES, I WILL NOT LET IT GO AND MY PARTNERS IN THIS WON'T.
03:56:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
IT COMES TO MY ATTENTION THAT YOUR DAUGHTER WILL HEAR FROM
FLORIDA STATE TODAY IF SHE WILL GET IN.
03:56:36PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IT IS DECISION DAY.
03:56:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WANT TO WISH HER THE BEST OF LUCK.
MY WIFE IS GETTING HER MASTER'S THROUGH FLORIDA STATE AS WE
SPEAK.
VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
AND SHOUT OUT TO HER AND HOPE IT IS GOOD NEWS.
03:56:49PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THANK YOU.
03:56:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I ALWAYS DO THIS BUT DO IT FOR HER TODAY.
03:56:53PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
HER NUMBER ONE CHOICE IS U.F. AND THAT IS
NOT UNTIL NEXT FRIDAY.
I AM A 'NOLE.
BUT SHE IS VERY EXCITED.
WAITING FOR ME TO GO HOME NOW TO CLICK THE BUTTON, THANK YOU
VERY MUCH.
03:57:09PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SO I SHOULD ADD THIS.
PICK UP THE BOOK "WHERE YOU GO IS NOT WHAT YOU WILL BE."
GOOD STORIES OF COLLEGE ADMISSION OF GETTING IN AND NOT
GETTING IN.
03:57:20PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT.
03:57:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ITEM 63 AND 64.
I -- I -- MR. MASSEY, YOU ARE HERE FOR 63?
03:57:32PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
36 AND 64.
03:57:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD, SIR.
03:57:35PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
REAL QUICKLY WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH THE
ONLY, MORRIS MASSEY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
ONE MEMO THAT ADDRESSES BOTH THESE ITEMS.
63 DEALS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE TAMPA
HEIGHTS RIVERFRONT PROJECT.
WE ARE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER.
WE ARE -- WE WILL BE BRINGING YOU FORTH AN AMENDMENT WHERE
PART OF THAT IS -- I HAVE BEEN THROUGH WITH HIM ALREADY.
AND PROVIDING INFORMATION THAT HE SHOULD HAVE PROVIDED
ALREADY OF WHAT IS BUILT RELATED TO DEVELOPMENTS WITH EBF
AND BUILDING INTO IT ANNUAL REPORTING FOR THE AGREEMENT AND
SOMEWHAT CONSISTENT WITH THE ORDINANCE I AM PROPOSING OR WE
ARE PROPOSING UNDER 64.
46 IS THE DRAFT ORDINANCE REQUIRE ANY DEVELOPER WHO ENTERS
INTO A CHAPTER 163 DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF
TAMPA BE REQUIRED TO ANNUALLY FILE A MONITORING REPORT WITH
THE CITY STAFF REGARDING COMPLIANCE WITH ALL THE COMMITMENTS
IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
IF YOU ALL FIND WHAT WAS DRAFTED FAVORABLE, TO BRING IT TO
THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW.
AND BACK TO YOU ALL FOR CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ADOPTION.
03:58:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMEMBER HENDERSON.
03:58:51PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I HAVE A MOTION FOR IT.
FIRST, ATTORNEY MASSEY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL OF YOUR
HARD WORK IN THIS MATTER.
I APPRECIATE IT.
MY FIRST, BIG, BIG MOTION THAT WAS SUPPORTED BY COUNCILMAN
VIERA AND HURTAK.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR ITEM NUMBER 64.
I MOVE THAT A DRAFT ORDINANCE PROVIDING FOR AN UPDATED
NOTICE PROCESS AND ANNUAL REPORTING REQUIREMENTS FOR
DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS ADOPTED PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 163
FLORIDA STATUTE BE FORWARDED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR
REVIEW.
AND THEN SCHEDULED FOR CONSIDERATION AND ADOPTION BY CITY
COUNCIL.
03:59:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN
HENDERSON.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED.
03:59:33PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
AYE.
03:59:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
TAKES CARE OF BOTH ITEMS?
03:59:41PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
36 AND 64.
03:59:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. SHELBY.
THAT CONCLUDES THE AGENDA; HOWEVER, HOWEVER, WE STILL HAVE
TO TALK ABOUT THE SALARIES.
03:59:50PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES, AT THE BOOT TOMORROW.
IT WAS ON THE AGENDA.
03:59:52PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OFFICIALLY -- OFFICIALLY THAT WAS ADDED TO
THE AGENDA DURING THE APPROVAL.
03:59:58PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IT SURE WAS.
03:59:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LET'S DISCUSS SALARIES HERE.
04:00:01PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
04:00:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
04:00:04PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
I ACTUALLY MADE THAT MOTION AND NOT ONLY INVOLVED THE
ADVISORY COMMITTEE INVOLVED IN MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS.
IT ALSO ASKED OUR CFO TO LOOK AT ANY FUNDS LEFT OVER FROM
LAST FISCAL YEAR.
AND JUST IMPORTANT THAT WE ADDRESS THIS TOPIC.
I KNOW THAT -- THANK YOU.
THERE YOU ARE.
YOU AND LIKE THAT.
OKAY.
I KNOW THAT IT WAS DURING THE ELECTION CYCLE BEFORE I BECAME
A COUNCILMEMBER.
THE REASON.
THE MAYOR PRESENTED FORWARD A RAISE FOR CITY COUNCIL AND IT
WAS POLITICIZED.
THAT IS ECHOING, WHAT IS THAT?
OKAY.
ALL RIGHT, SO -- IT WAS POLITICIZED.
AND I KNOW THAT COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, DID NOT WANT TO MOVE
FORWARD A RAISE.
I THINK IT WAS A 4-3 VOTE FOR THAT NOT GET CAN THE RAISE.
ABOUT $70,000 WHICH I THINK WAS 40%.
I AM NOT SURE -- I AM NOT REMEMBERING THE PERCENTAGE.
NOW WE ARE HERE.
A NEW COUNCIL.
WE ARE NOT EVEN ONE YEAR IN.
AND I JUST THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE ADDRESS THIS.
NOT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF JUST US, BUT TALKING ABOUT HOW
THIS COUNCIL THE BODY OF THIS COUNCIL LOOKS MOVING FORWARD
NOW THAT I AM IN THIS POSITION.
I CAN CLEARLY SEE THE AMOUNT OF WORK IT TAKES TO PUT -- THAT
GOES INTO IT.
MY OVERACHIEVER PERSONALITY IS NOT NECESSARILY OF WHAT I
EXPECT PEOPLE TO DO THAT SERVE IN A POSITION LIKE THIS.
SO FOR ME, THE AVERAGE SALARY FOR A CITIZEN IN CITY OF TAMPA
RUNS ABOUT $60,000-PLUS.
I SEE A REASONABLENESS IN RAISING OUR SALARY BY MAY 1, WHICH
IS OUR ANNIVERSARY -- ONE-YEAR ANNIVERSARY BY 15%.
I AM ASKING YOU AS OUR CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER TO LOOK
AT THAT COST.
I EQUATED IT TO ABOUT $20,000 IF WE WERE TO VOTE ON THAT
WHAT IT WOULD COST US RIGHT NOW TO RECEIVE THOSE FUNDS AS OF
MAY 1 THROUGH THE END OF OUR FISCAL YEAR.
HOW MUCH THAT WILL COST.
OUR COUNTY CALCULATED ABOUT $25,000.
AND THEN HAVING A 15% RAISE.
YOU KNOW, PUT INTO THE BUDGET FOR -- FOR THE COMING YEAR.
SO I KNOW THAT -- YOU KNOW, SOME MEMBERS DON'T SUPPORT THAT,
BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT BEYOND JUST US RIGHT NOW.
THE REASONABLENESS OF BRINGING IT TO AN AVERAGE SALARY, I
THINK, IS SOMETHING THAT WILL PROVIDE AN INTEREST TO -- TO
COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN POLITICS BUT CANNOT
AFFORD TO SIT ON THE BODY LIKE IN BECAUSE OF THE INCOME.
AND I JUST REALLY BELIEVE THAT IF YOU LOOK AT -- IT DOESN'T
TAKE A STUDY.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE BODY WHO HAS SAT ON COUNCIL OVER THE PAST
50 YEARS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, YOU DON'T SEE -- I AM NOT
TYPICAL.
A SINGLE PARENT IS NOT THE TYPICAL CITY COUNCILMEMBER.
I AM THE 16th WOMAN.
THE 16th WOMAN IN THE HISTORY.
SO MAKES HURTAK THE 15th WOMAN IN THE HISTORY.
AND THAT IN ITSELF JUST DEFINES THAT THIS POSITION, WE NEED
TO LOOK AT THE INCOME LEVEL SO THAT WE CAN ATTRACT A MORE
POPULATION OF PEOPLE THAT MAY BE INTERESTED IN POLITICS.
AND I AM GOING TO, YOU KNOW, PURSUE THAT -- OF COURSE I WANT
TO HEAR COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S COMMENTS AND OTHER MEMBERS
BEFORE WE MOVE ON, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AS
TO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU ARE FOR OR AGAINST IT.
AND LET THE PUBLIC HEAR IT.
I BELIEVE THAT 15% IS ABOUT A $8,000 RAISE BASED $50,400
THAT WE MAKE RIGHT NOW WHICH IS -- -- YOU KNOW, NOT OF
AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME.
04:04:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION TO YOU.
YOU WANT TO RAISE IT TO THE AVERAGE MEDIUM INCOME.
04:04:24PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
AT LEAST -- WE HAD A PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY
-- LET ME TURN ON MICROPHONE.
WE HAD A PUBLIC COMMENT BY ONE OF OUR ADVISORY BOARD.
AND HER NUMBERS FOLLOW SYNC WHAT I CAN AGREE WITH.
DID YOU PUT IT ON THE SCREEN FOR US?
04:04:41PM >> YEAH.
04:04:41PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
CAN YOU CUT ON THAT OVERHEAD.
04:04:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A PUBLIC HEARING.
04:04:45PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SHE JUST HAD IT ON THE SCREEN FOR A
VISUAL.
63,000.
MAY BE A LITTLE BIT BETWEEN 15% TO 18%.
04:04:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHEN CHIEF OF STAFF DID HIS REVIEW OF ALL THE
PEOPLE AROUND, IT WAS 75.
04:05:05PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IT WAS 75.
I DON'T THINK THAT WILL GET THE SUPPORT OF THIS BODY.
04:05:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AGREE.
I AGREE WITH YOU IT SHOULD BE THIS BODY'S GOAL TO TAKE IT
THERE BY THE END OF OUR TERM, BECAUSE OF EXACTLY WHAT YOU
SAID.
I AM THE 15th WOMAN THAT SAT IN THIS SEAT.
SHE IS THE 16th WOMAN THAT HAS SAT IN THIS SEAT.
I DON'T KNOW -- WHAT NUMBER ARE YOU?
04:05:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AM THE FIRST ONE.
04:05:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT YOU ARE THE LAST MALE.
04:05:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I APOLOGIZE.
04:05:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU ARE THE LAST MALE.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT NUMBER YOU ARE?
04:05:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE NO IDEA.
04:05:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT HAS GOT TO BE IN THE 300s.
04:05:47PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IT IS IN THE 300s.
04:05:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
S IN THE 300s.
THAT IS NOT MY ONLY ISSUE.
IT IS -- AS SCHOOL TEACHERS, YOU ARE SERVING YOUR FINAL
YEAR, BUT IF YOU WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR CAREER, YOU
COULDN'T DO THIS.
04:06:01PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
CORRECT.
04:06:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU COULD NOT TAKE THIS OFF.
THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE ABLE TO DO THIS ARE PEOPLE THAT OWN
THEIR OWN BUSINESSES --
04:06:11PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OR THEY ARE RICH.
04:06:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OR WEALTHY NOW DO IT.
THOSE OF US IN HERE OWN OUR OWN BUSINESSES.
I TOOK SERIOUS PAY CUT TO DO THIS.
AND I QUESTION THAT ON A MONTHLY BASIS.
I STILL LOVE MY JOB, BUT IT IS HARD TO CUT YOUR SALARY SO
MUCH.
BUT I -- I WANT TO SEE MORE WOMEN IN THIS ROLE.
I WANT TO SEE MORE YOUNG PEOPLE IN THIS ROLE.
I WANT TO SEE -- I JUST WANT -- WHEN THE NEXT ELECTION CYCLE
COMES AROUND, I WANT TO SEE A LOT OF DIFFERENT FOLK WHO
DON'T NORMALLY GET A CHANCE TO DO THIS.
I THINK THIS IS A VERY EXCITING THING.
THE CITY IS GROWING.
EVEN IF YOU LOOK AT IT PER CAPITA, IT HAS GOT TO BE MORE.
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE DON'T SUPPORT THIS.
THIS -- THIS, TO ME, IS SOMETHING -- I DON'T KNOW WHY PEOPLE
DON'T.
NO NOT OUR SELF-INTEREST TO COME FORWARD AND MAKE SURE THAT
PEOPLE THAT COME AFTER US HAVE IT BETTER THAN WE DO.
04:07:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, MIRANDA AND CLENDENIN.
04:07:20PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I AM ALWAYS CLEAR ON MY POSITION.
I DO NOT SUPPORT FOR MYSELF GIVING MYSELF A PAY INCREASE
ABOVE INFLATION THIS YEAR BEFORE AN ELECTION.
IF WE ARE TALKING OF THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL AND PEOPLE WHO
WILL COME AFTER US.
I AM NOT JUST OPEN TO THAT BUT SUPPORTIVE OF THE IDEA.
YOU CAN LOOK AT THE SPECIFICS, BUT I AM SUPPORTED OF THAT
FOR FUTURE COUNCILS.
FOR MYSELF, I DON'T SUPPORT SOMETHING THAT IS ABOVE
INFLATION YEAR BY YEAR.
I JUST DON'T.
I TRIED TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD HAVE MANDATED THAT
LIKE THE 27th AMENDMENT -- AND BY THE WAY, I DO WANT TO SAY
THIS BECAUSE COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON MENTIONED THIS.
ISSUE WAS ORIGINAL POLITICIZED AND THAT IS A SHAME.
THAT IS A REAL SHAME.
SO, AGAIN, WHEN I MAKE MY COMMENTS, IT IS NOT POINTING
FINGERS AT ANYBODY OR FOR SOMETHING OBNOXIOUS.
JUST MY PRINCIPLE THAT I ALWAYS STUCK TO.
BEYOND INFLATION ADJUSTMENTS AT OR BEFORE AN ELECTION.
AFTER AN ELECTION.
WE NEED TO WAIT TO ANOTHER ELECTION.
IF THIS IS BROUGHT UP FOR ENTERING COUNCILMEMBERS AND 27, I
THINK THAT IS VERY REASONABLE AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT
PEOPLE IN TAMPA COULD SUPPORT AND CERTAINLY SUPPORT THAT.
ON PRINCIPLES OF FUTURE COUNCILS AND BRING IN MORE PEOPLE,
VERY SUPPORT TESTIFY.
BUT FOR US RIGHT NOW, I RESPECTFULLY CAN'T SUPPORT THAT.
04:08:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND COUNCILMAN
CLENDENIN.
04:08:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
POLITICIZING DOESN'T BOTHER ME ONE BIT.
I GOT A SALARY FROM 1974 THROUGH NOW.
AND HOWEVER, IT WAS RUMORED THAT SOME COUNCILMEMBERS -- I
DON'T KNOW WHO -- I DON'T CARE TO KNOW, WANTED 60%
OF THE MAYOR'S SALARY TO BE THE COUNCIL'S SALARY.
THAT IS TOTALLY OUT OF RANGE.
I IS IT NOT DO THE STUDY BUT SOMEBODY DID THE STUDY, ST.
PETE, TAMPA, AND ORLANDO HAD THE SALARIES -- MY MIND IS 83
YEARS OLD.
THE BODY IS OLD BUT THE MIND IS REAL SHARP IN THIS CASE.
IT WAS WITHIN $2,000 OR $3,000 OF EACH CITY'S RAISES --
SALARIES, I SHOULD SAY.
I'M NOT OPPOSE TO A RAZE.
I AM OPPOSED TO A RAISE HIGHER THAN THE INFLATION RATE
HIGHER THAN THE GENERAL EMPLOYEES -- NOT DEPARTMENT HEADS.
WE ARE -- WE GOT ELECTED TO SERVE THE GENERAL EMPLOYEES OF
THE CITY OF COMPANY.
DOES NOT GET A 10, 15, 20% RAISE EVER THAT I KNOW OF.
THE GUYS AND LADIES WORKING THEIR BUTTS OFF, BUT THEY CAN
FEED THEIR KIDS.
I AM NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR A 60% RAISE.
I CAN TELL YOU IN 1974, THE AVERAGE SALARY WAS 996.
THAT BOARD, THERE WERE ABOUT FOUR OR TV OF US THAT HAD JUST
DAILY JOBS.
ONE OR TWO WERE PROFESSIONAL OR BUSINESS OWNERS.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS I SERVED WITH,
AT LEAST HALF OF THEM WERE JUST LIKE YOU AND I.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING BUT A REGULAR JOB.
AND THEIR WIFE OR -- OTHER CASES THE HUSBAND ALSO WORKED.
LET ME GO DOWN THE CHANGE SO WE UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE AT.
FROM '96 -- I MEAN FROM '74 AND '81, A CHANGE OF $14,000.
STAYED $14,000, '81 TO '82.
'87.
'91, WENT MONTHLY.
AND IN 1993 IT WENT DOWN.
AND IN '93 WENT UP, $400 FROM $19,000 TO $19,928.
'95, WENT TO $25,000.
1999 WENT TO $25,250.
2021, 27, 360.
2022, IT HAS BEEN GOING UP JUST LIKE THE EMPLOYMENT IS FOR
ALL IN THE CITY.
NOT STATUS QUO.
2003, $28,974.
2004, 29,988.
IN 2005, $35,700.
AND 2007, $40,248.
IT HAS BEEN GOING UP ACCORDING TO THE INFLATION RATE OR THE
GENERAL EMPLOYEES; HOWEVER, FROM 2008, 2340 INCREASE FOR
COUNCIL.
AND NO INCREASE ON COUNCIL UNTIL 2014.
YOU KNOW WHY?
BECAUSE WE WERE IN A RECESSION.
WE HAD TO LET GO 758 EMPLOYEES.
THE IORIO ADMINISTRATION NEVER HAD TIME TO DO THINGS SHE
WANTED TO DO AND TAKE CARE OF THE CITY BY DOING THINGS SHE
HAD TO DO.
A VAST DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU DO IN EVERYBODY'S WORKTABLE THAT
YOU WANTS TO DO SOMETHING AND YOU CAN'T DO IT AND YOU HAVE
TO RETRACT.
WHAT YOU WANT TO DO CHANGE YOUR MOLD AND MAKE SURE YOU SAVE
THE CITY.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID.
IN 25014, SALARY WENT FROM 4 1,246 2015, 43,IN 2016,
$43,576.
2017, $24,486.
2019, $27,632.
2020, $49,000.
04:13:29PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SO THERE HAVE BEEN INCREASES ON COUNCIL'S
SALARY.
PROBLEM WITH, WE DON'T WANT TO RECOGNIZE WHAT WAS DONE WITH
THE STUDY OF ST. PETE, ORLANDO, MIAMI, AND SO FORTH.
AND -- YOU CAN QUESTION ME ALL YOU WANT, BUT HERE IS A
RECORD IF YOU WANT IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SALARIES ARE IN ORLANDO.
I KNOW THAT THE MAYOR IS IN A HEAP OF TROUBLE IN MIAMI.
04:13:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
04:14:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
INTERESTING.
ONE, I BELIEVE THAT CHIEF BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF, DID A
SALARY STUDY.
AND TOOK INTO ACCOUNT THREE DIFFERENT AREAS.
I LOOK AT THIS LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
I RESPECT MY TWO COUNCILMEN AT THE END OF THE DAIS OF THEIR
OPINIONS ON THIS, BUT I COME AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT
PERSPECTIVE.
I THINK IN OUR SOCIETY, WE -- WE PAY PEOPLE FOR VARIOUS
REASONS.
YOU KNOW, ACTORS AND FOOTBALL PLAYERS GET PAID A RIDICULOUS
AMOUNT OF MONEY BECAUSE OF THE INCOME THEY BRING IN AND WHAT
THEY GENERATE.
OTHER FOLKS INCLUDING OUR WONDERFUL CITY EMPLOYEES, BECAUSE
OF THE -- BECAUSE OF THE WORK THAT THEY DO EVERY DAY AND THE
SERVICE THAT THEM PROVIDE TO THE CITY, WE COMPENSATE.
I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE, HOW MUCH DO OUR ASSISTANTS MAKE.
04:14:56PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
$95,000.
04:15:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OUR ASSISTANTS MAKE $95,000 A YEAR.
04:15:05PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
AND UP.
04:15:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BECAUSE THEY GOT INCREMENTAL RAISES AS
WELL.
SO WE -- I -- I AM -- YOU COMPENSATE BASED ON EITHER WHAT
INCOME YOU ARE BRINGING IN OR THE WORK BEING PERFORMED.
IT IS VERY CLEAR TO ME SINCE I HAVE GOTTEN ON TO THIS
COUNCIL THAT WE ARE -- THAT THIS -- I WON'T SPEAK TO OTHER
FOLKS, BUT I FEEL BAD FOR FOLKS, ESPECIALLY SOMEONE -- IF
SOMEONE -- HAS GIVEN UP INCOME.
I AM IN A GOOD POSITION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I HAD A
RETIREMENT.
SO I AM NOT -- I AM NOT SUFFERING.
AND I DIDN'T HAVE TO SACRIFICE TO DO THIS, BUT OTHER FOLKS
HAVE.
AND OTHER FOLKS WILL, PEOPLE THAT WILL FOLLOW ME ON COUNCIL.
AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU COMPENSATE PEOPLE FOR WHAT THEY
DO.
THIS IS NOT A JOB.
IF YOU ARE DOING THIS WELL, NOT A FULL-TIME JOB.
IT IS A FULL-TIME AND A HALF.
AS RECENT AS THIS PAST WEEK, WE STARTED AT 9:00, HAD A BREAK
IN THE AFTERNOON BUT WENT TO 3:45.
I WENT TO SLEEP AT 5:00 IN THE MORNING AND WOKE UP AT
8:00 IN THE MORNING.
WHAT YOU SEE ON TV A AND WHAT YOU SEE FROM COUNCIL CHAMBERS
A SMALL PIECE OF WHAT HAPPENS.
BECAUSE THERE ARE VOLUMES -- I HAVEN'T READ THIS MUCH
INFORMATION SINCE I WAS IN COLLEGE.
I READ EVERYTHING.
I READ THE CONTRACTS.
I GO THROUGH 200-PAGE CONTRACTS.
I DON'T READ EVERY WORD OF THEM AND GO THROUGH THEM TO SEE
IF ANYTHING JUMPS OUT AT ME.
VOLUMES AND VOLUMES OF READING.
WHAT DO WE DO AS A CITY?
WE ARE NOT FOOTBALL PLAYERS OR SELLING TV TIME.
AFTER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, WE COULD.
WE COULD LOOK FOR ENHANCEMENT SELLING CITY COUNCIL
ENHANCEMENT ON YOUTUBE.
LOOK, THERE I GO BEING FUNNY AGAIN.
I CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE.
AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT -- WE ARE CALLED EVERY DAY TO MAKE
THE DECISIONS NOT BASED ON ANY OTHER REASON WHETHER IT IS
THE RIGHT DECISION.
AND IF IT IS THE RIGHT DECISION TOMORROW, IT IS THE SAME
RIGHT DECISION TODAY.
AND WHILE I APPRECIATE SOMEBODY'S OWN INDIVIDUAL PRINCIPLES,
I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU, WOULD LOOK AT SOMEBODY AND SAY,
YOU KNOW WHAT, I WOULDN'T SUPPORT IT IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T
WANT TO SAY IS IT RIGHT WRONG.
IS THIS THE APPROPRIATE COMPENSATION FOR THE WORK THAT IS
BEING PERFORMED FOR THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA?
IF IT IS THE APPROPRIATE COMPENSATION FOR THE WORK -- FOR --
THAT IS BEING PERFORMED, THEN LET'S -- LET'S SAY THEN, HELL
YEAH, LET'S DO IT.
IF YOU CAN MAKE AN ARGUMENT THAT SAYS, NO, THE EXISTING
COMPENSATION IS THE RIGHT COMPENSATION FOR THE WORK, THEN
LET'S GO WITH THAT.
I THINK THAT IS THE DISCUSSION TO BE MADE.
WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE COMPENSATION FOR THE ACTUAL WORK
THAT IS BEING INFORMED.
I ALSO THINK STATISTICS -- I DON'T LIKE TO DO -- I DON'T
LIKE TO -- GRAB AT SOMETHING IMAGINARY.
THERE WAS A STUDY DONE BY THE CHIEF OF STAFF.
IT IS CONCRETE.
IT IS FACTUAL, IT IS STATISTICS.
I WILL ACTUALLY DISAGREE WITH THE MAKER OF THE MOTION.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD RO COMPROMISE WITH THAT.
I THINK WE SHOULD ACCEPT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
GO FORWARD WITH THAT.
ALL OF THAT BEING SAID, THERE IS AN EMPTY CHAIR TO MY RIGHT.
THING IS OF A SUBSTANTIVE CONVERSATION.
AND I THINK IT BEHOOVES US TO NOT MAKE THIS DECISION WITHOUT
EVERYONE PRESENT.
AND I WILL MOVE TO CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION TO MARCH 7, 2024
FOR A COMPLETE COUNCIL.
04:18:49PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SECOND.
04:18:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HAVE THIS AS THE NUMBER ONE IN OUR OLD
BUSINESS.
04:18:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
I HAVEN'T SPOKEN --
04:18:59PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BEFORE YOU DO THAT, I WANT YOU TO KNOW I
HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND TOLD THAT
MARCH 7 IS QUITE, QUITE FULL.
04:19:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT'S GREAT.
04:19:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT IS THE NEXT NOT FULL DATE.
04:19:14PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
14 DAYS AFTER THAT.
04:19:16PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SEE, A FULL DAY IS A 16-HOUR DAY.
04:19:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
2027.
THEY GET THEIR WAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER IN 2027.
04:19:28PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IS ITS CLERK SAYING A 16-HOUR DAY?
04:19:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
28th IS FINE.
I WILL MOTION CONTINUE TO MARCH 28, BECAUSE IT WILL BE FINE.
04:19:37PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I DO WANT TO HEAR FROM -- I WOULD LIKE TO
HEAR FROM YOU.
04:19:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO --
04:19:46PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE 28.
WHEN YOU SAY NUMBER ONE ON THE AGENDA, DO YOU MEAN BEFORE
ALL PUBLIC BUSINESS?
OF STAFF REPORTS.
04:19:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AFTER ADMINISTRATION?
04:19:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION AND A SECOND.
I WANT TO MAKE MY COMMENTS.
I STARTED HERE IN 2015.
I AM GLAD COUNCILMAN MIRANDA BROUGHT UP THE SALARY CHART.
BECAUSE WHEN I STARTED HERE, IT WAS ABOUT $43,000.
AND MY -- LAST YEAR WAS $52,000, $53,000.
I HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE OF LET'S SAY $11,000 GRAND OVER
EIGHT YEARS.
I HAVE BEEN UP SINCE 1:30 THIS MORNING.
YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT I WAS DREAM BEING WHEN I WOKE UP?
I WAS DREAM BEING A BUNCH OF TRASH IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD
AND SOMEBODY SAYING CAN YOU CALL SOLID WASTE TO DO A SPECIAL
PICKUP.
THIS IS WHAT I AM DREAMING ABOUT.
IN MY DREAM, I AM GOING, I GOT TO GET A HOLD OF LISA.
AND I WAKE UP -- I HAVE BEEN UP SINCE, IN ANTICIPATION FOR
TODAY'S MEETING.
SUNDAY MORNINGS, I GO TO CHURCH.
I GET PHONE CALLS AT 9:00.
PEOPLE KNOW THAT I GO BECAUSE I SAID IT.
I GO TO THE EARLY MASS.
9:00, THEY CALL ME -- CALL CODE ENFORCEMENT.
I WILL GET CALLS AT 11:00 AT NIGHT.
I WILL GET TEXTS.
HEY, WHAT DO I DO WITH THIS.
AND MY WIFE TELLS ME, DON'T ANSWER IT.
BUT I ANSWER, BECAUSE I AM ELECTED TO SERVE.
I'M NOT PERFECT, BUT I WANT TO BE RESPONSIVE.
SHE IS LIKE, YOU ARE OFF THE CLOCK.
PEOPLE WORK 9 TO 5.
WE WERE HERE ALMOST 4:00 IN THE MORNING.
I GOT HOME, SLEPT 30 MINUTES.
TO GET UP AT 6:30 TO STAKE MY YOUNGEST STEPDAUGHTER.
I WALKED IN, THE SECURITY GUARD WAS LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU DOING
HERE?
THE ST. CITIZENS BUDGET BOARD A MEETING.
MR. SHELBY IS HERE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW HE DOES IT.
I SERVE ON THE CITY COUNCIL.
I SERVE ON THE CRA LIKE WE ALL DO.
THE TAMPA THEATER BOARD, THE STRAZ BOARD.
I HAVE BEEN ON THE TPO FOR NINE YEARS.
I HAVE BEEN ON THE MUSEUM OF ART.
SO MANY BOARDS.
I WISH I COULD SERVE ON MORE BOARDS BECAUSE I LOVE THIS JOB.
THIS IS NOT A PART-TIME JOB.
SOME PEOPLE HAVE APPROACHED MY MOTHER AND SAY YOUR SON ONLY
WORKS ON THURSDAYS.
YOU NEVER SEE MY SON, BECAUSE MY SON, SHE SAYS IS SOMEWHERE.
THEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS.
THEN MEETINGS AFTER WORK.
THEN THERE ARE EVENTS -- THE EVENTS ARE THE GOOD PART, BUT
OTHER THAN THAT, IT WILL A LOT OF WORK.
I VOTED AGAINST SALARY INCREASES SINCE THE BEGINNING.
I HAVE BEEN CRITICIZED FOR IT.
I HAVE BEEN PRAISED FOR IT.
WHATEVER.
I HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH MY WIFE ABOUT IT.
ONE THING THAT DID -- THAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA BROUGHT UP,
2008 AND 2014.
THERE WAS RECESSION AND WE LAID OFF A LOT OF PEOPLE AND
MAYOR IORIO AND I GIVE HER CREDIT.
SHE DID A GREAT JOB.
SHE MADE A LOT OF TOUGH DECISIONS.
THERE WAS A GAP OF SIX YEARS OF THE SALARY THAT WASN'T
INCREASED.
PERHAPS WE COULD LOOK -- IF WE HAVE WOULD HAVE STAYED ON THE
INCREASE FROM 2007 AND FACTOR IN FROM 2014,
MAYBE WE WILL BE AT 60,000.
I SAID WHEN I STARTED HERE IT WAS 4 3,000 AND NOW OVER
50,000.
A MORE REASONABLE BALANCE.
WE APPROVED SALARY INCREASES FOR THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING
INDIVIDUALS, THE DIFFERENT UNIONS, THOUGH THEIR JOB IS IN A
TOTALLY DIFFERENT CAPACITY.
I DON'T COMPARE EVERYTHING I DO TO PUBLIC SAFETY OR ATU
BECAUSE THEY WORK 100 TIMES HARDER AND TOTALLY DIFFERENT,
YOU KNOW, SACRIFICE.
I WOULD BE OPEN TO THE DISCUSSION WHEN WE BRING THIS BACK AT
THE END OF MARCH WITH THE FULL COUNCIL.
I DON'T THINK IT IS RIGHT TO VOTE ON ANYTHING TODAY.
I WILL BE OPEN TO THE DISCUSSION OF THESE SALARIES KICK IN
THE NEXT CYCLE.
AND AFTER THE 2027 FOLKS, SO.
IF WE HAD MORE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO RUN, THEY CAN SAY, HEY,
WE CAN MAKE THIS MUCH MONEY.
I DON'T KNOW IF I AM READY TO START A SALARY INCREASE IN
MAY, I LIVE WITHIN WHAT I MAKE.
I AM FINE WITH IT.
I KNOW WHAT I SIGNED UP WITH.
I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN'T DO THIS BALLS
THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT.
GOOD PEOPLE OUT THERE -- A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE IN THE
COMMUNITY THAT WANT TO RUN.
I AM NOT COMMITTING YES OR NO, BUT I AM OPEN TO DIFFERENT
IDEAS THAT WE HAVE.
I KNOW WE ARE LOOKING AT 3%.
STANDARD COST OF LIVING INCREASE.
BUT THAT'S IT.
I AM NOT GOING TO GO INTO -- YOU KNOW, PHILOSOPHICAL THINGS,
THIS AND THAT.
LOOKING A THIS REALISTICALLY, AND KEEP ON OPEN MIND IN THE
DISCUSSION FOR MARCH 28.
AND I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
MR. ROGERO IS STANDING BY AS OUR CFO.
04:24:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HI, DENNIS.
04:24:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
04:24:43PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WANT TO STRESS SOMETHING THAT COUNCILMEMBERS
HAVE SAID, THE GREAT AMOUNT OF WORK THAT GOES INTO THIS JOB.
I WAS A FULL-TIME LAWYER FOR 13 YEARS AND DECIDED TO RUN FOR
OFFICE.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT IS A HARD BALANCE.
I WILL SAY -- AND NOW ON COUNCIL, I AM A PART-TIME LAWYER.
I CUT BACK MY PRACTICE 50%.
THAT IS ALWAYS DIFFICULT.
BUT PROBABLY THE ONE THAT HAS IT THE TOUGHEST I WOULD
PROBABLY SAY -- MAYBE I AM WRONG -- IS COUNCILWOMAN
HENDERSON WHO IS A TEACHER.
THAT -- THAT IS -- MY -- MY HAT IS OFF TO YOU FOR THAT
BALANCE THAT YOU HAVE.
AND EVERYTHING.
SO, AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO SAID AND I
WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT IS MY POSITION.
AFTER '27.
IF THE GOAL IS, RIGHT, TO ATTRACT MORE PEOPLE, THEN, YOU
KNOW, I SUPPORT IT AFTER '27.
SOME LEVEL.
SO THAT'S ALL.
04:25:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
04:25:40PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I DISAGREE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO MOVE TO THE NEXT ELECTION CYCLE.
THAT WAS THE EXCUSE NOT TO THE DECIDE ON THE $75,000 SALARY.
IT WAS POLITICIZED AND YOU DIDN'T WANT TO VOTE FOR IT.
YOU VOTED 4-3.
BOTTOM LINE A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS THAT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW
ABOUT THIS JOB THAT I JUST WANT TO SAY PUBLICLY IS THAT EVEN
WHEN YOU ARE INVITED PLACES, ESPECIALLY TO HOTELS, YOU HAVE
TO PAY $30 TO PARK.
EVERY ORGANIZATION -- NOT EVERY ORIGINAL, BUT NINE TIMES OUT
OF TEN, ORGANIZATIONS ALSO ARE ASKING YOU TO SUPPORT THEIR
ORGANIZATION FINANCIALLY.
THEY THINK THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE MONEY IN OUR BUDGET.
I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT THAT IS THE CASE.
I GET SO MANY FINANCIAL REQUESTS FROM ORGANIZATIONS AND
INDIVIDUALS ASKING ME TO SUPPORT THINGS.
TODAY I WENT TO LOOK AT IT FROM TAX PURPOSES, I HAVE GIVEN
OUT ABOUT $4,000, BASED ON THINGS I WAS INVITED TO AS THE
COUNCILWOMAN.
I RAISED MY PADDLE AND DONATED FUNDS.
WE ARE EVEN ASKED -- I WAS WITH SOME COUNCILMEMBERS.
THEY SAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.
OUR PRESENCE IS WHAT IS IMPORTANT.
THAT MAY BE TRUE BUT I BELIEVE THAT I SHOULD SUPPORT THEM.
I PAY FOR PARKING.
I HAVE TO FIND SOMETHING TO WHERE AND FIGURE IT OUT.
A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS FACTOR INTO THIS.
WE CAN'T BE AFRAID TO GIVE OURSELVES A RAISE.
THE FLORIDA STATE REPRESENTATIVES.
YOU KNOW WHY THEY STAY AT $25,000 A YEAR.
ONE OF THE PRIMARY REASONS THEY DO IT THEY WANT TO KEEP IT
PIGEONHOLED THAT ONLY THE RICH CAN SERVE IN OUR THERE IS
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
IF YOU ARE MAKING $25,000 A YEAR, TRAVELING BACK AND FORTH
TO -- TO THE GREAT CITY OF TALLAHASSEE, A HUGE SACRIFICE.
AND THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT I KNOW.
I ASKED THEM.
THEY ARE IN LAW.
THEY PRACTICE.
THEY ONLY HAVE BEEN REDUCED TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF BILLABLE
HOURS BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE JOB.
A HUGE PUBLIC SERVICE SACRIFICE AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE.
THE QUALITY WORK -- YOU HEARD US SAY WE READ YOUR E-MAILS,
PREPARE WITH STAFF AND GO TO THE MEETINGS.
WE PARTICIPATE WITH THE PUBLIC AND GO TO THESE EVENTS.
THE STUDY OF $75,000 IS REALLY -- WHAT WE ARE PAYING YOU,
YOU ARE ACTUALLY BEHIND.
ASKING FOR THE RAISE RIGHT NOW IS JUST BRINGING YOU TO THE
PRESENT.
YOU CAN'T BE AFRAID TO DO THAT.
NO ONE IS GOING TO HOLD -- I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE ENTIRE
PUBLIC, BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE AFRAID TO TAKE THAT
STEP.
I ACTUALLY -- AS AN EDUCATOR, I HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE TO BE IN
A NEW POSITION WHERE I AM NOT CONNECTED TO A CLASSROOM EVERY
DAY AND I HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE GRACE TO HAVE THURSDAY WHERE
IS I AM ABLE TO ATTEND MEETINGS.
BUT IT WAS BROUGHT UP BEFORE WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT A
DIFFERENT SCHEDULE -- I DON'T KNOW YOU CAN RECALL THAT.
I CAN'T DO THAT.
BECAUSE MY JOB HAS ALREADY GIVEN ME THE SACRIFICE OF HAVING
THE FLEXIBLE SCHEDULE FOR THURSDAYS.
I ACTUALLY LOVE BEING ON COUNCIL.
AND I DO BRING A FRESH PERSPECTIVE.
I AM A DIFFERENT VOICE.
I RECOGNIZE THAT.
AND SO BRINGING THE SALARY UP TO DATE -- IT IS JUST NOTHING
WRONG WITH THAT.
JUST NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
A REASON THERE ARE ONLY 16 WOMEN ON COUNCIL.
NUMBER 16.
I AM NUMBER 16.
THERE IS A REASON BEHIND THAT.
THERE IS A REASON WHY YOU MAY NOT SEE THE DIVERSITY IN NOT
JUST -- NOT JUST IN AGE BUT IN -- IN -- IN A VARIETY OF
WAYS.
ECONOMIC BACK GROUND.
ALL OF US I THINK HAS A COLLEGE DEGREE.
THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY A REQUIREMENT FOR COUNCIL, BUT WE
ARE PROFESSIONALS IN OUR OWN RIGHT.
AND EVEN JUST THAT ALONE.
THE FACT THAT WE ARE COLLEGE EDUCATED DEFINITELY LET US KNOW
THAT WE ARE BEHIND THE MARK WHEN IT COMES TO THE SALARY.
I DO LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THE CONVERSATION.
AND I APPRECIATE US BEING VERY TRANSPARENT AND SPEAKING IN
FRONT OF THE CAMERA SO THE PUBLIC HEARS WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY.
04:29:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN, YOU HAVE A
QUESTION FOR MR. ROGERO?
04:29:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. ROGERO, CAN YOU HEAR ME?
04:29:59PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I HAVE A QUESTION THAT NEEDED AN ANSWER.
04:30:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I FEEL LIKE I HAVE TO TALK TO YOU BECAUSE
YOU TOOK THE TIME OUT TO BE HERE TODAY.
I HOPE YOU ARE DOING WELL.
QUESTION FOR YOU.
IF THIS COUNCIL ON -- WHAT DO WE SAY MARCH 28 --
04:30:13PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
APOLOGIZE.
I CAN HEAR YOU.
I COULDN'T GET OFF MUTE.
04:30:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF THIS COUNCIL ON MARCH 28 ELECTED TO
IMPLEMENT THE CHIEF OF STAFF'S PROPOSAL THAT HE HAD BROUGHT
FORTH BEFORE.
WOULD THE CURRENT BUDGET ACCOMMODATE THAT?
04:30:33PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
JUST TO CLARIFY, THE -- IS THAT THE $75,000
SALARY?
04:30:40PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
15% EARLIER AND ASKED THEM TO CALCULATE
THAT.
04:30:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I STILL GO WITH THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A
STATISTICAL ANALYSIS PREPARED BY AN INDEPENDENT PARTY, AND I
THINK THAT -- THAT IS A HARD DOCUMENT THAT WE CAN GO WITH.
THAT JUST MAKES SENSE TO ME.
THAT IS A CEILING.
IF THAT PROPOSAL -- THAT IS THE BEST OR WORST-CASE SCENARIO.
IF THAT WAS TO PASS THIS COUNCIL, WOULD THE CITY -- THE 2024
FISCAL YEAR BUDGET ACCOMMODATE THAT?
04:31:13PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THEY, WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT.
04:31:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
APPRECIATE IT.
HOPE YOU HAVE A BEAUTIFUL WEEKEND.
04:31:18PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU.
04:31:19PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I ASKED HIM A SIMILAR QUESTION.
SO HE ANSWERED IT BASED ON -- YES.
JUST BASED ON COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN'S QUESTION, HE ANSWERED
IT FOR ME AS WELL.
BECAUSE MY MOUTH WAS LOWER.
THANK YOU.
04:31:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
04:31:36PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
A $100,000 SALARY, THE BUDGET.
04:31:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AM BUYING DRINKS TONIGHT.
04:31:47PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO KNOW.
YOU WOKE UP THE MIND.
WILL IT ACCOMMODATE AT $100,000 SALARY?
THE ANSWER WILL BE LEFT.
04:31:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. ROGERO.
04:31:59PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I APOLOGIZE.
04:32:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WOULD THE BUDGET ACCOMMODATE A $100,000
SALARY?
04:32:08PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES.
04:32:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYTHING ELSE?
IF NOT, REVISIT THIS MARCH 28 UNDER STAFF REPORT.
04:32:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE NEED TO VOTE ON THE MOTION.
04:32:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSE?
SO THIS IS A DISCUSSION.
NO FORMAL ACTION.
DISCUSSION ON MARCH 28 WITH A FULL COUNCIL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:32:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
I BELIEVE PART OF THAT MOTION WAS TO HAVE THIS FIRST UNDER
STAFF REPORTS.
04:32:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
RIGHT UNDER ADMINISTRATIVE --
04:32:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MY QUESTION TO YOU --
04:32:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
04:32:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
-- IS HOW MUCH TIME YOU ANTICIPATE PUTTING
TOWARD THAT.
04:32:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
30 MINUTES.
04:32:42PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO MORE THAN --
04:32:45PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE HEARD WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT.
04:32:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE WILL --
04:32:52PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO OPPONENTS, MR. CHAIRMAN.
PEOPLE WHO WILL ARE MORE REALISTIC THAN OTHERS.
HOWEVER, LET ME SAY THIS.
IF ANYTHING -- THE ONLY ONE THAT IS GOING TO HELP HERE IS
ME.
BECAUSE YOUR RETIREMENT IS BASED ON YOUR SALARY FOR THE LAST
TV YEARS TIMES ONE AND A HALF.
SO THERE IS NO -- JUST -- LET ME JUST SAY THAT FOR THE
RECORD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YOU ALL HAVE A MILES TO DAY.
04:33:14PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
04:33:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. SHELBY.
THAT CONCLUDES THE AGENDA.
04:33:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
04:33:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BUT I HAVE -- I HAVE A MEMO FROM A MR.
MARTIN SHELBY.
04:33:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
04:33:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THIS IS REGARDING UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDED THIS ITEM TO THE MARCH 28 AGENDA, IS
THAT CORRECT?
04:33:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT PREPARED A MOTION
IF SOMEBODY IS WILLING TO READ THAT.
04:33:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
04:33:43PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SORRY, BEFORE YOU MOVE ON -- MAKE THE
MOTION.
04:33:47PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ALL RIGHT.
04:33:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WILL DO IT --
04:33:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOTION TO ADD TO THE MARCH 28, 2024 CITY
COUNCIL RECOGNIZE EXCEPTION AGENDA UNDER STAFF REPORTS AND
UNFINISHED BUSINESS PURSUANT TO ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023-167.
CONSIDERATION OF THE REQUEST MADE BY FORMER CITY COUNCIL
ORLANDO GUDES FOR REIMBURSEMENT OF ATTORNEYS FEES AND COSTS
ASSOCIATED WITH THE LAWSUIT CAPTIONED "LS THROUGH HER
PARENTS, SH AND SH VERSUS ORLANDO GUDES."
04:34:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SECOND.
04:34:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
04:34:32PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I HAVE COMPLETED MY FIRST FORM 8-B.
I AM GOING TO ABSTAIN OVER THE APPEARANCE OF A SPECIFIC
CONFLICT WHERE A RELATIVE IS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS CASE.
04:34:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
TAKE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
SO NOW WE VOTE ON BRINGING THIS BACK TO MARCH 28.
04:34:56PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
AND I GET TO LEAVE.
04:34:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE.
IT WILL ONLY TAKE A MINUTE -- A SECOND.
04:35:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
YES, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
04:35:09PM >>LUIS VIERA:
REMEMBER MARCH 28 IF WE HAVE ONE
COUNCILMEMBER, I WILL HAVE TO MISS PART OF THE MORNING
COUNCIL THAT DAY.
IT WILL BE STAFF REPORTS?
I SAY THAT JUST IN CASE.
04:35:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
ALL RIGHT, THAT CONCLUDES EVERYTHING.
04:35:24PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
HAVE THAT ANNOUNCED.
04:35:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LISA, CAN YOU COME OUT HERE REAL QUICK.
04:35:30PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
HAVE THE CLERK ANNOUNCE THAT VOTE IS WHAT I
AM ASKING.
04:35:34PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON BEING
ABSENT AND VOTE.
AND HENDERSON ABSTAINING.
04:35:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MY AIDE LISA
REGARDING NEW BUSINESS.
IF SHE CAN COME UP, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
04:35:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE MOTION COMMENT A
COMMENDATION TO -- CHRISTIAN ELEMENTARY -- ACADEMY AND
LILLIAN HERD, A STUDENT OF ACADEMY OF HOLY NAMES MEDAL
WINNERS AT THE USAA TAMPA POST NUMBER 5, AMERICAN LEGION
AND ORATORIAL.
THERE OF THE APPRECIATION AND VALUELESS OUTLINES OF THE
CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND THEIR AWARENESS OF THE
RESPONSIBILITY INCUMBENT ON EACH CITIZEN TO EXERCISE AND
PROTECT THESE RIGHTS.
IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT TWO
COMMENDATIONS TO THE AMERICAN HERITAGE GIRLS, ABBY COBALSKI
AND CHARLOTTE LAURIA WHO OWNED THEIR GOVERNMENT CITIZENSHIP
BADGES FOR CIVIC RESPONSIBILITY.
I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THESE COMMENDATIONS OF THE OWNING
MARCH 28, 5:01 IF POSSIBLE.
04:36:53PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SECOND.
04:36:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
04:37:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
YOU HAVE A LIST.
04:37:08PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I HAD SOMETHING OF ONGOING TALKS WITH THE HIVE
PROJECT.
04:37:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA AND
SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
REMOVE THE ITEM OF DISABILITY HOUSING ON FEBRUARY 22.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
YES, SIR.
04:37:23PM >>LUIS VIERA:
QUICKLY IF I MAY, MANY OF US KNOW THE
BOONSTOPPLE FAMILY.
THE LATE, HARRISON, KILLED IN YBOR CITY.
AND I -- BEFORE THAT TERRIBLE TRAGEDY, I HAD COME INTO
CONTACT WITH THE FAMILY.
I HAD SPOKE AT THE LATE HARRISON'S GRADUATION AT PEPIN
ACADEMY WHERE HE WAS A VERY, VERY PROUD GRADUATE GOD REST
HIS SOUL.
I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO THE PARENT OF SOME IDEAS HOW TO
COMMEMORATE THEIR LATE SON WHO WAS JUST AN AMAZING YOUNG
MAN.
AS A FATHER, THE -- THE WORK THAT IT TOOK INTO THAT YOUNG
MAN WITH HIS CHALLENGES.
WON'T GO INTO IT.
BUT THE "TAMPA BAY TIMES" DID A PROFILE ON HIM.
HE HAD SPECIAL NEEDS.
AND EVERYTHING THOSE PARENTS AND FAMILY HAD WENT INTO.
IN NEW TAMPA, WE HAVE OUR ALL ABILITIES WORK IN NEW TAMPA
WHICH IS NOT NAMED.
AND I WANT TO ASK THE ADMINISTRATION FOR CONSIDERATION OF
RENAMING THAT PARK -- OR NAMING THAT PARK AFTER THE LATE
HARRISON.
WE CAN HAVE THAT COME BACK IN TIME TO GIVE -- I SEE MR.
MASSEY STANDING UP.
THERE MAY BE SOME --
04:38:40PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
PREVIOUSLY THERE WAS A MOTION TO KIND OF
PUT A HIATUS ON RENAMING THING UNTIL WE HAVE A DISCUSSION OF
THE RENAMING PROCESS.
04:38:50PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THAT IS WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
WHEN WILL THAT COME BACK US TO?
I REMEMBER THAT WHEN COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON --
04:38:59PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YOU KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO DO THAT ONE.
04:39:01PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YOU WANT TO TALK TO THE FAMILIES, ETC., ON
THAT ISSUE.
SO, YEAH, WHEN DOES THAT COME BACK , IF YOU KNOW MR. MASSEY
OR MR. SHELBY?
04:39:12PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THE CLERK MAY KNOW.
I AM THINKING APRIL OR SOME TIME.
04:39:17PM >>LUIS VIERA:
HOW ABOUT THIS.
I WILL HAVE THAT COME BACK TO US IN JUNE AFTER WE DEDICATE
-- DEAL WITH THAT.
IF WE HAVE TO DELAY IT MORE SO WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION,
THAT IS FINE.
IT IS JUST FOR CONSIDERATION.
04:39:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
REPRESENTS ME LOOK AT THE JUNE DATES HERE.
04:39:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I AM LOOKING FOR ALL OF THEM, BUT I SEE
STAFF REPORTS INCLUDING NAMING OF SEVERAL PROPERTIES ON THE
APRIL 4 STAFF REPORTS.
04:39:48PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE ARE LOOKING AFTER APRIL.
04:39:50PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THOSE WERE CONTINUED BECAUSE A WHOLE NAMING
DISCUSSION.
04:39:54PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WANT IT TO BE JUNE 6.
04:39:57PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
FOR SOME REASON, THE APRIL WORKSHOP WAS
SCHEDULED FOR THE DISCUSSION OF THE NAMING ISSUE.
04:40:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN I SPEAK TO THAT.
HONESTLY COUNCILMAN, CAN WE ASK THAT YOU NOT MAKE THAT
MOTION TODAY AND BRING IT BACK TO US AFTER THE APRIL
DISCUSSION.
I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
04:40:12PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU, AND I WILL
APPRECIATE THAT.
WE CAN PUT A PIN IN IT IN TERMS OF WAITING FOR THE APRIL
ONE.
JUST IN FULL TRANSPARENCY, I PROMISED THE FAMILY THAT I WILL
MAKE THE MOTION TODAY.
SO I WOULDN'T WANT THAT.
04:40:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I UNDERSTAND, BUT WE DID REACH AN
APRIL AGREEMENT TO PUT A HOLD ON THIS STUFF.
AS COUNCIL PROCEDURES, WE ARE PUTTING A HOLD ON THIS STUFF.
AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION IN APRIL.
MAYBE YOU CAN GO BACK TO THEM SAYING WE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH
RENAMING.
SO WE ARE GOING TO HAVE -- COUNCIL IS GOING TO MEET IN
APRIL.
I PROMISE YOU I WILL BRING IT BACK FROM APRIL.
04:40:51PM >>LUIS VIERA:
HOW ABOUT THIS.
I GAVE THEM MY WORD AND I WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH THE
DECISION AT THE APRIL MEETING.
AGAIN IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES MORE TIME, GLAD TO
MAKE THAT.
I WANT TO PUNT THAT OUT TO THE FAMILY.
A PROMISE I MADE THEM.
AND I WANT TO GO THROUGH WITH IT.
MY INTENT IF COUNCIL CHANGES ANY PROCEDURES IN APRIL, THEN I
CAN AMEND THE MOTION.
YOU HAVE MY WORD WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH IT.
BUT, FOR ME, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR THE FAMILY
FOR A WHILE, I WANT TO BE TRUE TO MY WORD FOR THEM.
04:41:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND I AM GOING TO ECHO WHAT COUNCILMAN
CLENDENIN SAID.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR NEW RULES ARE GOING TO BE.
04:41:33PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I KNOW.
04:41:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I FEEL FOR THE FAMILY.
WHAT I DON'T WANT IS FOR THIS ISSUE TO BECOME THE -- THE
THING THAT -- I DON'T WANT THIS RENAMING TO BE THE ONE THAT
KIND OF HAS TO GO THROUGH THE WRINGER, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN,
BE CAUGHT.
I WOULD PREFER US TO HAVE THE RULES WE WANT.
AND THEN HAVE THAT BE THE FIRST ONE THAT FOLLOWS THE RULES.
I JUST -- I DON'T WANT THEM TO GET MOVED AND MOVED AND
MOVED.
AND THEN -- AND THE FAMILY FEELS DISRESPECTED.
I AM NOT COMFORTABLE.
04:42:05PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YEAH, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO -- TO
PROCEED WITH A VOTE THEY FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE IN.
AGAIN, I GAVE MY WORD TO THE FAMILY FOR THAT.
I SAID THAT WHEN I PASSED THIS ONE.
I VOTED FOR THE MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
AND I HAD DO HAVE ONE.
AND IT WILL BE QUINT ONE THAT WE TO IN APRIL.
IF WE CHANGE THE RULES AND IN APRIL, I WANT THAT TO BE ON
THE DOCKET, IF YOU WILL, FOR JUNE.
WE CAN EVEN MAKE IT TO JULY WITH COUNCIL, AUGUST.
TO GIVE COUNCIL ENOUGH TIME.
MEAN, I AM EVEN IF WITH MORE TIME.
04:42:43PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
JUST TO CLARIFY.
MISS ZELMAN JUST QUESTIONED ME, MAY 25 IS THE WORKSHOP THAT
WE WILL TALK OF THE NAMING.
04:42:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
23rd.
IF I MAY, HERE IS WHAT THE MOTION SAYS.
COUNCIL TO REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE PROCESS FOR HONORING
NAMING OF CITY-OWNED PROPERTY SET FORTH IN THE NAMING
ORDINANCE.
FURTHER, THAT COUNCIL SUSPENDS ANY CONSIDERATION OF
CITY-OWNED LAND AND REQUEST THE MAYOR TO DO THE SAME UNTIL
THE DISCUSSION TAKES PLACE.
04:43:10PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I INTERPRET THAT THAT COUNCIL MAY NOT FINALIZE
ANY RENAMING DURING THAT TIME.
I DON'T INTERPRET THAT AS SAYING WE CAN'T HAVE A PLACEHOLDER
FORK.
THIS DOES NOT RENAME.
THIS MERELY HAS CONSIDERATION IN THE FUTURE.
AGAIN, I AM GLAD IF THIS IS IN MAY.
I AM GLAD TO HAVE IT THE FIRST WEEK IN SEPTEMBER.
AND IF WE DO SOMETHING, THEN I CAN AMEND IT AT THAT TIME,
MERELY AS A PLACEHOLDER.
04:43:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FAIR ENOUGH.
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA -- THIS WILL BE FOR
SEPTEMBER, BUT YOU WOULD BE AMENABLE TO MODIFYING IT
CONSIDERING -- YOU ARE NOT FINALIZING IT.
YOU ARE PUTTING A EARMARK.
PLACEHOLDER.
A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
04:43:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE DON'T HAVE THE CALENDAR --
04:44:01PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WHAT IS THE LATEST OF THOSE TWO.
AUGUST.
WITH THE INTENT TO PUSH IT OUT.
04:44:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
JULY 18.
04:44:11PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THERE YOU GO.
IT WILL BE ON MY MIND IN MAY.
AND THEN I CAN AMEND MY MOTION AT THAT TIME.
04:44:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM --
04:44:20PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WILL SECOND IT FOR DISCUSSION.
04:44:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SAUL IN FAVOR.
ANY OPPOSED?
04:44:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NAY.
04:44:29PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
NAY.
MAKES ME FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE --
04:44:36PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH HENDERSON AND HURTAK VOTE
NOTHING.
04:44:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND CLENDENIN.
04:44:42PM >>CLERK:
3-3 TIE.
04:44:47PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WILL BRING IT UP NEXT WEEK.
04:44:49PM >>CLERK:
MOTION FAILED WITH HENDERSON, HURTAK AND CLENDENIN
VOTING NO.
04:44:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYTHING ELSE?
04:45:00PM >>LUIS VIERA:
TWO MORE.
I WAS APPROACHED -- I CAN'T HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS
PRIVATELY, BUT FOR ITS WEST TAMPA LITTLE LEAGUE MONUMENT
ONLY THE CITY DOING IMPROVEMENTS.
THIS IS ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS YOU HAVE TO DO IN PUBLIC THAT
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA REPRESENTS THAT AREA AND AS THE MAYOR OF
WEST TAMPA AND THE MAYOR OF BASEBALL --
04:45:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ITS MAYOR OF BASEBALL.
04:45:21PM >>LUIS VIERA:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DID YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT
MOTION.
04:45:28PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU CAN.
I WILL SECOND IT.
04:45:30PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOVE TO HAVE THE WEST TAMPA LITTLE LEAGUE
MONUMENT RESTORED AND HAVE A REPORT BACK TO US ON THE
FEASIBILITY OF THAT.
04:45:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
04:45:38PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IN -- WHERE ARE WE IN -- FEBRUARY, IN THE
FIRST WEEK OF MAY.
04:45:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT IS AN EASY YES.
04:45:46PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SECONDED BY MR. MIRANDA.
LET'S VOTES.
04:45:49PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IS IT REALLY --
04:45:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MAY 2.
04:45:54PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THERE YOU GO.
04:45:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION OF COUNCILMAN VIERA.
WITH A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSE?
04:46:01PM >>LUIS VIERA:
LASTLY, THIS IS NOT A MOTION, PER SE.
I WENT ON WFLA.
IT WAS A BLACK HISTORY INTERVIEW.
AND I WAS ASKED A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ON THAT PROGRAM THAT
WILL BE AIRING -- I GUESS IT WAS ON SATURDAY.
AND I WAS ASKED ABOUT THE RACIAL RECONCILIATION COMMITTEE.
AND I GAVE AN ANSWER TO IT WHICH WAS I SUPPORT IT.
SO YOU KNOW, I DO THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE GOING TO
HAVE TO DISCUSS, COUNCIL.
AND I KNOW MEMBERS HAVE SPOKEN OUT ON THAT.
AND I RESPECT EVERYONE ELSE OPINION.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE OPPOSES THE IDEA OF A COMMITTEE.
I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WANT MORE DEFINITION ON.
AND I DO BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS ON
THIS DURING MOTION TIME.
YOU KNOW, MY THOUGHTS, VERY BRIEFLY, ARE THAT WE SHOULD --
AND I SAID THIS IN THE INTERVIEW, WE SHOULD HAVE SPECIFIC
ISSUES THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
THINGS LIKE -- I WROTE DOWN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, RETURNING
CITIZENS, HISTORICAL, AND IF WE HIGHLIGHT THE ISSUES THAT
THIS COMMITTEE WITH -- WITH FOLKS APPOINTED BY MAYOR CASTOR,
FOLKS APPOINTED BY TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE VERY GOOD WE SHOULD JUMP TO
FOR A CITY.
I WAS ASKED IN AN INTERVIEW AND I GAVE MY OPINION.
AND I THINK IT IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD ON AS A
TAMPA CITY COUNCIL AND I WILL BE DISCUSSING IT WITH THE
MAYOR'S OFFICE.
04:47:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN AND COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK.
04:47:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WASN'T ON COUNCIL WHEN THAT RESOLUTION
WAS PASSED.
IF I READ IT CORRECTLY, IT IS SOMETHING THAT THE
ADMINISTRATION IS TASKED WITH CREATING, CORRECT IN I THINK
WE AS -- I MEAN, I AGREE WITH YOU, COUNCILMAN VIERA, I THINK
THAT WE -- IT IS A WORTHY AGENDA.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE ADMINISTRATION TO COMPILE -- TO LIVE
TO THAT EXPECTATION.
I WILL ADD JOBS AND SPECIFICALLY YOUTH JOBS TO THAT LIST.
I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT AS WE MOVE THE CITY OF
TAMPA FORWARD.
I SEE THAT OUR ATTORNEY IS STANDING THERE --
04:48:10PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I WANT TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD.
THAT WAS A CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION.
THAT WAS NOT INITIATED BY THE ADMINISTRATION.
04:48:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I KNOW IT WASN'T ADMINISTERED -- BUT THE
AMENDMENT REFERRED TO THE ADMINISTRATION AS FAR AS CREATING
THAT COMMITTEE.
04:48:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION, BUT I HAD MY HAND
UP BEFORE BUT --
04:48:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SOMEBODY WHO HAS THE ORGANIZATIONAL
HISTORY DID THAT RESOLUTION.
DID IT CALL FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO CREATES THE COMMITTEE?
04:48:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GENERAL SUPPORT.
04:48:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGAIN --
04:48:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WAIT A SECOND.
04:48:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN I ASK MY QUESTION?
04:48:40PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ASK THE CHAIR.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW TO WHO?
04:48:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TO MR. SHELBY OR MR. MASSEY.
04:48:48PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
04:48:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHO CREATES COMMISSIONS.
I THOUGHT WE HAD A HUGE THING ABOUT IT IN THE CHARTER AND
THAT COUNCIL CANNOT CREATE A COMMISSION.
WHO CREATES A COMMISSION SO WE CAN FINISH THIS DISCUSSION?
04:49:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
TWO POINTS IF I CAN WITH THAT.
I AM FAMILIAR WITH THAT RESOLUTION.
04:49:04PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
568.
04:49:12PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
2020-568.
IF ANYBODY WANTS TO FIND IT NEEDS TO FIND IT BY THE STATE.
THE SECTION QUITE OFTEN REFERENCED BY THE PUBLIC.
CITY COUNCIL SUPPORTS THE CREATION OF.
04:49:25PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
04:49:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY PURPOSEFUL LANGUAGE,
BECAUSE THE CITY COUNCIL DIDN'T HAVE THE BUDGET OR STAFF TO
DO IT.
AS COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN LEARNED, THE COUNCILMEMBER WHO
PROPOSES, THE LEGISLATIVE AIDE IS THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR
FACILITATE IT UNLESS THE ADMINISTRATION DOES IT.
BECAUSE THE ADMINISTRATION HAS THE RESOURCES.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MAYOR'S POSITION IS.
COUNCILMAN VIERA STATED HE WAS GOING TO BE IN TOUCH WITH THE
ADMINISTRATION.
I DO RECALL SPECIFICALLY AT THE TIME, IT DID NOT
SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT COUNCIL WILL CREATE THE COMMITTEE.
IT SAID THAT THEY WILL SUPPORT THE CREATION.
IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE YOU FROM DOING IT.
04:50:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WOULD IT BE IN ORDER FOR THIS COUNCIL TO
RECONFIRM OUR SUPPORT FOR THE CREATION OF A COMMITTEE?
04:50:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WAIT, AGAIN, THE QUESTION IS WHO CREATES
COMMITTEE AS SOON AS.
04:50:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE DON'T.
WE CAN'T.
04:50:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN I GET CLARIFICATION WHO CAN CREATE A
COMMITTEE?
04:50:27PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I THINK THE CHARTER PROVIDES THAT CAN BE
CREATED BY CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION WITH APPROVAL OF THE
MAYOR.
REQUIRES BOTH PARTIES TO DO THAT IN THIS CASE.
04:50:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD SUGGEST THAW REACH OUT TO THE
ADMINISTRATION TO SEE IF THAT IS SOMETHING THEY WOULD BE
WILLING TO DO?
04:50:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYTHING ELSE?
04:50:44PM >>LUIS VIERA:
COUNCIL, LET ME ASK YOU ALL.
DO YOU WANT ME TO MAKE A MOTION AS A FORMAL REQUEST TO THE
MAYOR --
04:50:51PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WAIT FOR ALL SEVEN OF US TO BE HERE.
04:50:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU SAID NOT A MOTION.
04:50:57PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IT SEEMED TO HAVE SOME SUPPORT.
04:50:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LET'S WAIT FOR A FULL COUNCIL.
04:51:01PM >>LUIS VIERA:
TO BE CLEAR, THE ISSUES I TALKED ABOUT -- FOR
THE RECORD AFFORDABLE HOUSING, RETURNING ACCIDENTS,
ECONOMIC, SCHOOL-TO-PRISON PIPELINE, RESTORE, TRUTH TELLING
AND CIVIC PARTICIPATION.
04:51:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AND JOBS -- SPECIFICALLY YOUTH JOBS.
04:51:19PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THAT IS UNDER SCHOOL-TO-PRISON.
04:51:21PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU MADE REFERENCE TO 2020-IT TALKS OF
CERTAIN THINGS THAT COUNCIL PUT IN WRITING THAT IS DIFFERENT
-- WHAT I AM SAYING TO YOU, THAT MAY BE IN CONFLICT OR IN
ADDITION TO.
04:51:37PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MR. SHELBY.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
THAT IS WHY I MADE MY MOTION.
SO -- STRIKE THAT -- WHY I MADE THE LANGUAGE.
I APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTS, BUT I DID THAT FOR A REASON.
04:51:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, DO YOU HAVE NEW BUSINESS?
04:51:53PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS.
THIS VERY, VERY, VERY TOUGH AND CHALLENGING RESOLUTION.
ARE WE GOING TO RECKON WITH THE HISTORY OF RACISM.
IS THE QUESTION -- THIS WAS CONCEPT 2020, 41 MONTHS AGO.
TOOK UNTIL LAST WEEK -- LAST WEEK BECAME THE VERY FIRST TIME
THIS COUNCIL ACTUALLY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT IT SINCE SIGNING
THE RESOLUTION 41 MONTHS AGO BECAUSE I DID SAY SOMETHING
UNDER, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT WAS MY TURN -- UNDER NEW BUSINESS,
IS THIS WHAT THE NEXT PART IS CALLED.
I WANT YOU TO BE VERY MINDFUL THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU PUT A PIN
IN IT FOR 41 MONTHS.
IT IS A VERY, VERY CHALLENGING TOPIC.
IT REQUIRES A LOT OF EXPERTISE.
AND SO, A BLANKET COMMITTEE WHERE WE DECIDE ON HOT FOLKS ARE
GOING TO BE.
I NEED YOU LIKE TO A LOT OF THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN
YOU ACTUALLY DECIDE IF WE ARE GOING TO ADOPT A COMMITTEE AND
HAVE THE MAYOR SIGN OFF ON IT.
YOU TAKE A LOT OF THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION.
START DOING YOUR RESEARCH BECAUSE A LOT OF THINGS OUT THERE
ABOUT REPARATION AND RACISM AND HOW WE GO ABOUT HANDLING
THIS.
I AM NOT OKAY WITH IT IN TERMS OF HOW WE GO BEEN SANITIZING
HISTORY AND PUTTING A PIN ON IT AND NAMING OUT A FEW THINGS
AND THANKSGIVING WE, THIS BODY, HAS THE EXPERTISE TO SOLVE
THE PROBLEMS OR APPOINT PEOPLE TO SOLVE THOSE APPROXIMATE.
A VERY COMPLEX SITUATION.
ON TO NEW BUSINESS, I ACTUALLY WOULD LIKE TO -- JUST A
COUPLE OF THINGS.
I WOULD LIKE TO DO ONE OF MY RARE COMMENDATIONS FOR THE
WOMEN'S HISTORY COMMITTEE.
I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE A COMMENDATION FOR THEM FOR THEIR
27th ANNUAL WOMEN HISTORY MONTH CELEBRATION ON MARCH 5.
04:53:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
04:53:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL IN FAVOR.
RECORD YOUR VOTE.
WOMAN NO ONE IS OPPOSED TO WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH.
THAT IS NEXT MONTH.
OKAY.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO RECOGNIZE HERE IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
PUBLIC SCHOOLS THE RESULTS HAVE COME OUT FOR THE STATE OF
FLORIDA FOR THE BEST HIGH SCHOOLS.
AND WE HAVE A FEW THAT ARE IN THE TOP 50.
AND A FEW IN THE TOP 200.
SO I JUST WANT TO CALL THOSE SCHOOLS OUT AND SAY
CONGRATULATIONS BECAUSE IT IS ABOUT NOT ONLY YOUR GRADUATION
RATE, BUT YOUR COLLEGE REGISTRATION.
PLANT HIGH SCHOOL FOR BEING RANKED 35.
NEW SOM NUMBER 49.
AND OTHERS STEINBRENNER, SICKLE, STRAWBERRY CREST, TAMPA BAY
TECH, ALONSO, BLOOMINGDALE, HILLSBOROUGH, RIVERVIEW,
MIDDLETON AND LETO.
SOME PEOPLE WHO NEED TO GET TO WORK.
AND THEIR COLORS ARE BLUE AND GOLD.
THAT IS THE OTHER THING.
LASTLY, THIS WEEKEND, THERE IS A -- THERE IS -- THERE IS AT
GASPARILLA MUSIC FESTIVAL, AS WELL AS THE BLACK LOVE PLAY AT
THE TAMPA THEATRE.
AND THAT IS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU, THE COMMUNITY,
CAN TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IN SUPPORTING.
OTHER THAN THAT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:55:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I MADE A MOTION THE OTHER DAY, BUT I DIDN'T CLARIFY THE DATE
--
04:55:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE CHAIR PRO TEM RECOGNIZES CHAIRMAN
MANISCALCO.
04:55:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THAT WAS VERY PROFESSIONAL.
I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND A MOTION.
04:55:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
04:55:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FAVOR.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
04:55:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:55:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THAT IS IT?
04:55:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A VERY HAPPY EARLY BIRTHDAY TO MR.
MARTIN SHELBY.
04:55:42PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
04:55:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE NOTHING.
04:55:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:55:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I MOTION TO HAVE MOBILITY STAFF SEND A MEMO TO
COUNCILMEMBERS OUTLINING THE CITY'S TRANSPORTATION
IMPROVEMENT PLAN, BETTER KNOWN AS T.I.P. PRIORITIES BEFORE
IT IS SENT TO THE TRANSPORTATION ORGANIZATION IN MARCH.
04:56:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION AND A SECOND.
04:56:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AS TRANSPORTATION BECOMES AN ISSUE, I WANT
ALL OF US TO HAVE KNOWLEDGE WHAT GALLONS ON TO IT.
SOME OF US SIT ON HART.
SOME SIT ON MPO.
LET'S CONTINUE TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION.
AND I WAS GOING TO MOTION FOR A VOTE, BUT THIS IS A GOOD
START AND NEXT YEAR CAN BRING THAT UP.
THIS MOTION WILL MAKE FURTHER DISCUSSION OF MOBILITY
PRIORITIES UNNECESSARY AT THIS TIME.
I MOTION TO REMOVE THE STAFF REPORT FROM THE FEBRUARY 22
WORKSHOP AGENDA THAT I MADE IN JULY OF 2023.
THAT STAFF TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON MOBILITY NEEDS AND
PRIORITIES.
04:56:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
04:56:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE SIX PILOT PROJECT IS DONE.
SO I MOTION TO HAVE STAFF GIVE A BRIEF FIVE-MINUTE REPORT ON
THE RESULTS OF THE SIX PILOT PROJECTS ON MAY 16, 2024.
04:57:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANYTHING ELSE?
04:57:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON -- NOPE.
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
04:57:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY -- I THINK I CAN
SPEAK FOR ALL OF US AND SEND BEST WISHES TO COUNCILMAN
CARLSON.
I HOPE HE FEELS BETTER SOON.
04:57:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WILL SECOND THAT.
COUNCILMEMBERS.
MR. SHELBY.
04:57:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
AN E-MAIL THAT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION AN HOUR OR SO
AGO.
INVITATION TO A COMMUNITY MEETING MARCH 6 AT GALLERY
IN HYDE PARK VILLAGE.
PROVIDES A VISION FOR WILLOW AVENUE BETWEEN PLATT AND SWANN.
TURNS OUT IN ATTENDANCE WILL BE THOSE FROM CITY OF TAMPA
MOBILITY, TECO, THEA, HILLSBOROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION, ARC
WILL BE THERE AND OTHER ATTENDEES AND SAYS THE MEETING --
THE MEETING WILL INTRODUCE A VISION OF THE AN AREA OF THE
CITY THAT WORKS INTO PLANS BEING IMPLEMENTED OR FINALIZED BY
MOBILITY THEA, TECO AND OTHER ENTITIES AND I SUSPECT
SOMEWHERE IN THAT PROCESS CITY COUNCIL IS A NECESSARY
PARTNER, ONE WOULD THINK.
DON'T KNOW.
THE QUESTION IS, CAN CITY COUNCIL ATTEND AND THE ANSWER TO
THAT WOULD BE YES.
MY SUGGESTION IS PLEASE BE MINDFUL THAT IF IT IS SOMETHING
THAT CAN REASONABLY COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, YOU NOT ENGAGE
IN DISCUSSION AMONGST YOURSELVES OR WITH PUBLIC WITH EACH
OTHER.
AND YOU REMAIN MINDFUL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SUNSHINE
LAW.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT INVOLVES ALL THESE ENTITIES
INCLUDING MOBILITY.
MY SENSE THAT IT WILL INVOLVE CITY COUNCIL.
04:58:44PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
UNDERSTOOD.
04:58:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE I AM CONFUSED.
I WAS LOOKING AT THE AGENDAFEBRUARY 15, 2024.
4:58 AND SAYING P.M. AND NOT A.M.
IS THAT A TYPO?
BECAUSE WE ARE LEAVING CITY COUNCIL AT -- IT IS NOT 4:59
A.M. IN THE MORNING.
04:59:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WISH IT WERE.
04:59:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SORRY, THAT IS A JOKE.
THAT IS A JOKE.
04:59:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE BY COUNCILMAN
MIRANDA.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
ALL RIGHT, WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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