TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOPS
THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 22, 2024, 9:00 A.M.
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9:03:46AM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
9:03:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
9:03:50AM I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP
9:03:52AM MEETING TO ORDER.
9:03:53AM AT THIS TIME, I YIELD TO COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON FOR TODAY'S
9:03:58AM INVOCATION.
9:03:59AM >>BILL CARLSON: THIS MORNING WE HAVE SOMEONE EVERYBODY
9:04:01AM KNOWS.
9:04:01AM PASTOR FRANK WILLIAMS.
9:04:03AM WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME ON UP?
9:04:04AM PASTOR WILLIAMS IS THE PASTOR OF PARADISE MISSIONARY BAPTIST
9:04:19AM CHURCH.
9:04:19AM LET'S ALL STAND FOR THE INVOCATION AND THEN FOR THE PLEDGE
9:04:22AM OF ALLEGIANCE.
9:04:22AM >> -- BEAUTIFUL CROSS OF THE JORDAN RIVER WHEN --
9:04:35AM I THANK GOD FOR ALL OF YOU.
9:04:37AM JUST LIKE I HAD TOLD YOU ALL BEFORE, I COME UP BEFORE AND
9:04:40AM TOLD YOU I'M PRAYING FOR YOU ALL AND I PRAY TO GOD THAT YOU
9:04:44AM ALL DO LIKEWISE FOR ME.
9:04:45AM HOLY GOD, OUR FATHER, IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, OUR LORD
9:04:51AM AND SAVIOR, GOD, WE COME TO YOU, FATHER, ASKING YOU TO
9:04:54AM PLEASE FORGIVE US FOR ALL OF OUR SINS, ALL OF OUR DIVISION
9:04:59AM AND EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT US, PHYSICALLY AS WELL AS
9:05:03AM SPIRITUALLY.
9:05:04AM GOD, WE LOVE YOU, FATHER, AND WE THANK YOU FOR THIS BLESSING
9:05:08AM THAT BROTHER GAVE ME THIS CROSS OF JESUS CHRIST AT THE
9:05:11AM JORDAN RIVER.
9:05:12AM I PRAY THAT YOU BLESS HIM IN A MIGHTY GOOD WAY.
9:05:16AM AND NOT ONLY HIM, BUT BLESS EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US IN A
9:05:19AM MIGHTY GOOD WAY.
9:05:20AM FATHER, WE LOVE YOU.
9:05:21AM WE LOVE YOU.
9:05:22AM WE LOVE YOU.
9:05:23AM AND WE LOVE YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.
9:05:25AM THANK YOU FOR THE BLESSING OF ANOTHER DAY.
9:05:27AM I'M 85 YEARS OLD AND I GOT TO GIVE YOU ALL THE PRAISE AND
9:05:32AM ALL THE GLORY BEFORE YOU CALL ME HOME.
9:05:35AM I'M VERY GRATEFUL, FATHER, FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN MY LIFE
9:05:39AM AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING FOR ME RIGHT NOW.
9:05:41AM I ASK YOU, FATHER, REMEMBER EVERYONE HERE BY NAME, BY THEIR
9:05:46AM POSITION.
9:05:47AM BLESS THEM SPIRITUALLY AS WELL AS PHYSICALLY.
9:05:50AM IN JESUS HOLY NAME WE PRAY, AMEN.
9:05:53AM THANK YOU.
9:05:54AM [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:06:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
9:06:07AM WE'LL HAVE ROLL CALL.
9:06:17AM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
9:06:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
9:06:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
9:06:20AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT.
9:06:22AM >> VIERA?
9:06:22AM MIRANDA?
9:06:23AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
9:06:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
9:06:25AM >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
9:06:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
9:06:28AM I KNOW THE MEETING, THE FEED IS LIVE, BUT ON OUR SCREENS AND
9:06:34AM ON THE MAIN SCREEN UP TOP WE DON'T SEE THE MEETING.
9:06:39AM I DON'T KNOW IF T & I IS WORKING ON IT.
9:06:42AM THE BROADCAST IS LIVE AND IT IS SHOWING.
9:06:45AM AT THIS TIME, MR. SHELBY, DO YOU NEED TO GO OVER ANY RULES
9:06:49AM BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT?
9:07:03AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THESE ARE THE PUBLIC COMMENT SUGGESTIONS
9:07:08AM FOR THE RULES RELATING TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:07:12AM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE ALLOWED A REASONABLE OPPORTUNITY
9:07:14AM AT THE BEGINNING OF TODAY'S MEETING TO ADDRESS ANY ITEM ON
9:07:16AM THE AGENDA BEFORE CITY COUNCIL TAKES OFFICIAL ACTION.
9:07:19AM THIS BEING A WORKSHOP, YOU ALSO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK
9:07:22AM AFTER HEARING THE STAFF REPORT AND COMMENTING BEFORE THE
9:07:26AM CITY TAKES OFFICIAL ACTION.
9:07:27AM CITY COUNCIL TAKES ANY ACTION ON THE ITEM.
9:07:29AM A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT APPLIES TO ALL SPEAKERS PROVIDING
9:07:32AM PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:07:33AM SPEAKERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE ALSO REMINDED THAT
9:07:36AM THEY ARE TO REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR INCLUDING
9:07:39AM MAKING VULGAR OR THREATENING REMARKS OR MAKING OR CAUSING
9:07:42AM DISRUPTIVE NOISES OR SOUNDS OR DISPLAYING SIGNS OR GRAPHICS.
9:07:46AM SPEAKERS ARE ALSO REMINDED TO REFRAIN FROM LAUNCHING
9:07:51AM PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST ANY CITY OFFICIAL, STAFF MEMBER, OR
9:07:55AM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
9:07:57AM THE CHAIR WILL RULE OUT OF ORDER ANY PERSON WHO SPEAKS
9:07:59AM WITHOUT BEING RECOGNIZED OR ATTEMPTS TO ADDRESS THE CITY
9:08:02AM COUNCIL FROM OUTSIDE THE SPEAKER AREA AT THE PODIUM.
9:08:05AM PERSONS FAILING TO COMPLY WITH THE COUNCIL'S RULES MAY ALSO
9:08:08AM BE RULED OUT OF ORDER AND AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR MAY
9:08:13AM BE REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBERS FOR THE REMAINDER OF TODAY'S
9:08:16AM MEETING.
9:08:16AM FINALLY, COUNCIL, YOU SHOULD REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING A SPEAKER
9:08:21AM YOU DID PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:08:22AM THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE AWARE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT
9:08:25AM TAKE QUESTIONS OR HAVE A DIALOGUE DURING GENERAL PUBLIC
9:08:28AM COMMENT.
9:08:28AM THAT IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS YOUR POSITION.
9:08:31AM THANK YOU.
9:08:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:08:32AM AND JUST A LITTLE HOUSEKEEPING HERE, I HAVE A MEMO RECEIVED
9:08:37AM FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON REQUESTING ITEM NUMBER 4 BE
9:08:40AM CONTINUED TO NEXT THURSDAY'S HOUSING WORKSHOP.
9:08:45AM >>BILL CARLSON: I SPOKE TO DR. SHIVENDU, AND BECAUSE OF
9:08:49AM RESOURCES AT USF WE HAVE TO RALLY, WE RECOMMEND MOVING TO
9:08:53AM AUGUST 31st.
9:08:54AM I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO CONTINUE ITEM 4 TO AUGUST 31.
9:08:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
9:09:01AM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MARYLAND.
9:09:02AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:09:03AM AYE.
9:09:03AM ALL RIGHT.
9:09:04AM I ALSO HAVE A MEMO FROM CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE AND DANA
9:09:08AM CROSBY REQUESTING ITEM 5 CONTINUED TO THE APRIL 25th
9:09:11AM WORKSHOP.
9:09:11AM WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:09:14AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:09:15AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:09:16AM AYE.
9:09:16AM FINALLY, ITEM NUMBER 6, THERE IS A MEMO FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
9:09:21AM CLENDENIN REQUESTING TO REMOVE ITEM 6 FROM THE AGENDA.
9:09:23AM IS THAT CORRECT?
9:09:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES.
9:09:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:09:26AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:09:28AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:09:28AM AYE.
9:09:30AM >>BILL CARLSON: ON ITEM NUMBER 5, SPEAKING TO LEGAL, THERE'S
9:09:35AM AT LEAST ONE LAWSUIT AGAINST INDIAN ROCKS BEACH REGARDING
9:09:38AM THIS ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW.
9:09:39AM SO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, THIS IS JUST FOR THE PUBLIC, THE
9:09:43AM LEGAL DEPARTMENT WOULD LIKE US TO WAIT UNTIL THE LAWSUIT IS
9:09:46AM CONCLUDED BEFORE WE DISCUSS IT.
9:09:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
9:09:49AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:09:49AM THAT CLEARS UP HOUSEKEEPING SO WE'LL HAVE A FEW ITEMS ON
9:09:54AM TODAY'S WORKSHOP.
9:09:55AM NOW IS THE TIME FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:09:57AM IF ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME UP.
9:09:59AM STATE YOUR NAME.
9:10:00AM YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
9:10:01AM YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:10:10AM GOOD MORNING.
9:10:11AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:10:11AM THE NAME IS DARYL HYCH.
9:10:19AM BAYARD RUSTIN WAS A GAY CIVIL RIGHTS LEADER BACK IN THE
9:10:29AM '60s.
9:10:30AM BAYARD RUSTIN HAD A VERY GOOD FRIEND, MARTIN LUTHER KING.
9:10:35AM THESE TWO MEN SINGLE-HANDEDLY IN SEVEN WEEKS PUT TOGETHER
9:10:43AM THE WORLD'S MOST CHANGING ATMOSPHERE WHEN THEY PUT TOGETHER
9:10:47AM THE MARCH ON WASHINGTON.
9:10:50AM TWO MEN, ONE THAT WAS HIDING AND DISGUISING HIS IDENTITY AND
9:10:57AM HE WAS TUCK IN BEHIND, METAPHORICALLY SPEAKING, TUCKING
9:11:01AM BEHIND CORNERS BECAUSE OF THE LIFESTYLE HE LIVED AS A GAY
9:11:05AM MALE BACK IN THE '60s.
9:11:08AM IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY, THAT WAS A TABOO OR IN THE WORLD IN
9:11:12AM SO MANY WORD, THAT WAS A TABOO.
9:11:14AM BUT BAYARD RUSTIN, A NAME OFTEN NOT EVEN HEARD BECAUSE
9:11:20AM MARTIN WAS THE ONE OF WHO SPOKE "I HAVE A DREAM."
9:11:24AM BUT BAYARD ACTUALLY WROTE THE MESSAGE.
9:11:27AM MARTIN CHANGED IT AND THE WORLD LOOKED AT IT FROM "I HAVE A
9:11:31AM DREAM."
9:11:31AM BUT THESE WERE TWO MEN WHO FACED CHALLENGES, BLUE COLLAR
9:11:40AM WATER HOLES, HIS DOGS AND ALL THE TRAVESTIES TAKING PLACE,
9:11:45AM TWO MEN CHANGED THE WORLD.
9:11:46AM AS WE SEE IT TODAY.
9:11:49AM FOR THE LAST TEN WEEKS, WE'VE BEEN COMING DOWN HERE TALKING
9:11:53AM ABOUT RESOLUTION 568.
9:11:56AM BRINGING IT IN FRONT OF SEVEN INDIVIDUALS WITH HIGH
9:12:01AM INTELLECT, HIGH SKILL, HIGH TALENT.
9:12:04AM I'M REMINDED OF MY MENTOR.
9:12:06AM MY MENTOR HAS A QUOTE THAT HE HAS TO QUESTION, DOES THE
9:12:11AM GENERATOR GENERATE ENERGY OR DOES IT PUT OUT ENERGY?
9:12:14AM AND I SAID IT PUT OUT ENERGY.
9:12:17AM HE SAID, NO, THE GENERATOR GENERATES ENERGY.
9:12:21AM SO IN ESSENCE, WHAT WE KEEP SEEING EVERY TIME WE COME DOWN
9:12:25AM HERE IS THE ENERGY PUT OUT FROM THE PANEL IS A NEGATIVE
9:12:29AM ENERGY TOWARD 568.
9:12:30AM RESOLUTION 568 IS SO SELF-UNDERSTANDING, AND IT IS SO PLAIN
9:12:37AM TO SEE, BUT THE ENERGY THAT WE KEEP PROJECTING IS A SMIRK
9:12:43AM WHEN MENTIONED WHO SHOULD HOLD ON TO THE RESPONSIBILITIES.
9:12:46AM THE NEGATIVE ASPECT OF, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT?
9:12:48AM I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS.
9:12:50AM THE OTHER CONTEXT OF, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT?
9:12:53AM WHO IS THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR PUTTING TOGETHER
9:12:56AM COMMISSIONS?
9:12:56AM ALL THIS NEGATIVE ENERGY TOWARD SOMETHING THAT THE WORLD
9:12:59AM KNOWS NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
9:13:01AM TAMPA, YOU ALL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TODAY TO CHANGE HISTORY.
9:13:06AM YOU COULD CHANGE HISTORY BY BEING THE CITY ON THE MAP THAT
9:13:11AM BRINGS FORTH RESOLUTION 568 FOR PEOPLE TO WHOM YOU KNOW
9:13:16AM DESERVE IT.
9:13:17AM SO COME ON, LET'S DO THE RIGHT THING HERE.
9:13:21AM LET'S UTILIZE YOUR GENERATED ENERGY TO MAKE THIS COME TO
9:13:25AM PASS.
9:13:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
9:13:26AM YES, SIR.
9:13:27AM YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:13:32AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:13:34AM ANGELA BIRDSONG, RECOMMENDING THE DEMOCRATIC BLACK CAUCUS.
9:13:38AM AND I'M THE PRESIDENT.
9:13:39AM WE HAVE 100,000 BLACK REGISTERED VOTERS AS DEMOCRATS IN
9:13:46AM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, WHICH INCLUDES THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:13:47AM AND I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT 568.
9:13:50AM NOW, NOTHING IS NOT AN OPTION HERE.
9:13:56AM YOUR VOTERS WANT TO SEE THAT YOU DO SOMETHING.
9:13:59AM THEY TELL ME, WE VOTED IN ALL DEMOCRATS AND WE CAN'T GET
9:14:04AM ANYWHERE.
9:14:04AM THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE.
9:14:06AM EVEN IF YOU DO SOMETHING SMALL LIKE SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, ALL
9:14:10AM OF YOU PEOPLE WHO HAVE COMPANIES IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, WHY
9:14:13AM DON'T YOU TAKE TWO OR THREE DISADVANTAGED YOUTH AND GIVE
9:14:16AM THEM AN INTERNSHIP.
9:14:18AM PAY THEM $300 A WEEK, GIVE THEM AN UBER CARD AND LET THEM
9:14:23AM COME OUT OF POVERTY.
9:14:25AM YOU COULD STEER THEM TOWARD UNION JOBS.
9:14:28AM THE UNIONS ARE BEGGING FOR PEOPLE.
9:14:29AM THEY GET A FOUR-YEAR APPRENTICESHIP.
9:14:31AM THEY GET A JOB FOR LIFE.
9:14:33AM THEY GET A PENSION.
9:14:35AM WHY DON'T WE DO A LITTLE UNION DRIVE TELL THEM, HEY, ALL OF
9:14:39AM THE UNIONS ARE LOOKING TO HIRE RIGHT NOW.
9:14:41AM THEY ARE LOOKING TO HIRE YOU.
9:14:43AM SO IF YOU DO SOMETHING, EVEN IF IT'S SMALL, IT CERTAINLY IS
9:14:49AM BETTER THAN NOTHING.
9:14:50AM WE HAVE CITIZENS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA WHO WOULD GLADLY BE ON
9:14:53AM A COMMISSION, ON A COUNCIL, AND GIVE THEIR TIME.
9:14:57AM YOU CAN PUT ASIDE A LITTLE MONEY FOR THEM IF THEY NEED TO
9:15:02AM SPEND ANY MONEY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN, BUT WE NEED THEM TO
9:15:05AM COME UP WITH A SOLUTION, PUT IT FORWARD TO YOUR COUNCIL, BUT
9:15:09AM WE NEED SOMETHING, ANYTHING AT THIS POINT IS BETTER THAN
9:15:14AM NOTHING.
9:15:15AM SO I'M ASKING YOU TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A LITTLE SOMETHING
9:15:19AM SO THE VOTERS CAN SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I VOTED DEMOCRAT, AND
9:15:22AM THIS IS WHAT I GOT.
9:15:23AM THANK YOU.
9:15:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:15:26AM YES, SIR.
9:15:28AM GOOD MORNING, SIR.
9:15:30AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:15:32AM >> MY NAME IS PASTOR WILLIAMS.
9:15:33AM LOCATED 1112 EAST SCOTT STREET.
9:15:37AM YOU KNOW, YOU ALL HAVE A POSITION WHERE YOU COULD DO
9:15:42AM SOMETHING FOR US, JUST LIKE THE YOUNG LADY A WHILE AGO SAID.
9:15:46AM BUT I'M GRATEFUL BECAUSE I GOT A GREAT MAILER.
9:15:51AM IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT, YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AND GET IT
9:15:55AM BACK TO ME.
9:15:56AM I'LL HOLD IT UP SO YOU CAN SEE IT.
9:15:58AM IT IS A CROSS WITH JESUS CHRIST.
9:16:01AM THE MAN THAT GAVE IT TO ME, I WANT HIM TO STAND UP AND
9:16:04AM IDENTIFY HIMSELF.
9:16:05AM HE'S BEEN SO GRATEFUL.
9:16:07AM I WANT ALL OF YOU TO KNOW THAT MY LOVE GOES OUT TO ALL OF
9:16:11AM YOU.
9:16:12AM I'M NOT A SELFISH PERSON.
9:16:14AM I LOVE EVERYBODY.
9:16:15AM I THANK GOD FOR PUTTING THAT SPIRIT IN ME.
9:16:19AM I CAN'T GET DOWN HERE LIKE I WANT TO EVERY WEEK, BUT I GET
9:16:24AM DOWN HERE WHEN I CAN.
9:16:25AM YOU KNOW WHAT?
9:16:26AM THE LADY BROUGHT VIOLATION TO MY DADDY'S PROPERTY.
9:16:35AM SHE GIVE ME A FEW DAYS TO GET IT CLEANED UP.
9:16:38AM BUT I WAS CLEANING IT UP, BUT PEOPLE FROM THE OTHER PLACES
9:16:47AM BRING GARBAGE AND PUT IT ON MY DADDY'S PROPERTY.
9:16:49AM THANK GOD SHE GOT IT.
9:16:54AM THIS IS ALL I WANT TO SAY.
9:16:57AM I WANT HER TO LOOK INTO IT.
9:17:01AM WHAT IS YOUR NAME?
9:17:02AM OKAY, MS. JOHNSON.
9:17:06AM THANK GOD FOR YOU.
9:17:07AM PRAY TO GOD TO BLESS YOU AND EVERYBODY ELSE.
9:17:11AM YOU ALL DON'T GIVE ME ENOUGH TIME TO STAND UP HERE, SO I GOT
9:17:14AM TO CUT IT SHORT.
9:17:16AM JACKSON HOUSE BEEN VACANT AND BEEN UP THERE FOR 20 YEARS,
9:17:24AM AND YOU ALL NEVER DID NOTHING ABOUT IT.
9:17:25AM NOW THEY GIVE ME A LIMITATION ON WHERE I HAVE TO GET MY
9:17:29AM DADDY'S PROPERTY CLEANED UP.
9:17:32AM IF I DON'T GET IT CLEANED UP, THEY ARE GOING TO GIVE ME
9:17:36AM ANOTHER VIOLATION.
9:17:39AM I WANT MS. JOHNSON TO LOOK INTO IT FOR ME.
9:17:41AM I KNOW YOU ALL CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE I'M AN
9:17:45AM HONEST PERSON.
9:17:46AM I TRY TO DO WHAT'S RESPECTABLE.
9:17:49AM I DON'T TRY TO HURT NOBODY'S FEELINGS.
9:17:51AM I TRY TO TELL IT LIKE IT IS.
9:17:53AM I THANK GOD FOR THIS BROTHER LETTING ME GET UP HERE AND PRAY
9:17:59AM BECAUSE THEY WAS REJECTING ME FOR MANY YEARS.
9:18:02AM THEY WOULDN'T LET ME TALK TO GOD, BUT GOD HAS BEEN GOOD TO
9:18:05AM ME, EXTREMELY GOD.
9:18:06AM I WISH THAT THING DIDN'T RING.
9:18:09AM BEEN GOOD TO ME, NOT ONLY BEEN GOOD TO ME, BUT HE GIVE ME
9:18:13AM POWER TO DO WHAT I CAN DO.
9:18:16AM GOT HANDICAP TO STAND BACK THERE.
9:18:19AM I CAN'T WALK AROUND LIKE YOU ALL CAN.
9:18:21AM I CAN'T RUN AND JUMP AROUND.
9:18:23AM I WISH I COULD.
9:18:24AM I WOULD BE DONE.
9:18:25AM GOD HAS BEEN EXTREMELY GOOD TO ALL OF US, WHETHER YOU LIKE
9:18:28AM IT OR NOT, HE'S BEEN EXTREMELY GOOD TO ME.
9:18:32AM I JUST GIVE HIM ALL THE PRAISE AND ALL THE GLORY.
9:18:35AM I WISH I HAD MORE TIME TO TALK TO YOU ALL BECAUSE NEAR WHAT
9:18:41AM I WANT TO SAY.
9:18:42AM GIVE ME A DAY WHERE I COME UP AND SPEAK LIKE I NEED TO SPEAK
9:18:45AM AND DON'T GET UPSET ABOUT ME BECAUSE I'M HANDICAP.
9:18:49AM GIVE ME A LITTLE MORE TIME.
9:18:50AM I WOULD BE GLAD TO SPEAK WHAT I NEED TO SPEAK.
9:18:53AM A LOT HAS TO BE DONE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR PEOPLE OF
9:18:57AM COLOR.
9:18:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
9:18:59AM >> AND WE NEED THAT.
9:19:00AM THANK YOU.
9:19:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
9:19:01AM YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:19:03AM GOOD MORNING.
9:19:05AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:19:06AM MY NAME KELLA McCASKILL.
9:19:09AM I CAME BY THIS MORNING TO SAY, TOO, THIS CITY COUNCIL, I
9:19:13AM WANT YOU, FIRST OF ALL, NOT TO BE DISTRACTED BY SOME OF THE
9:19:16AM NOISE AND NONSENSE THAT WE'VE SEEN RECENTLY.
9:19:19AM ALSO THAT WHEN PEOPLE COME BEFORE YOU, PAY ATTENTION TO
9:19:23AM WHERE THEY RESIDE AND A FEW DISRUPT WHERE WE ARE GOING IN
9:19:29AM THE CITY.
9:19:30AM WHAT HAPPENS RECENTLY DOESN'T CONCERN THE MAJORITY OF THE
9:19:32AM PEOPLE THAT CAN VOTE FOR YOU.
9:19:34AM THEY ARE NOT HERE.
9:19:35AM THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN OUTCRY.
9:19:36AM THEY DIDN'T COME BEFORE YOU.
9:19:37AM SIR, YOU'VE BEEN DOING A MIGHTY FINE JOB.
9:19:40AM WE DON'T ALWAYS SEE EYE TO EYE, CONTINUE THE GOOD WORK.
9:19:43AM WHAT I AM HERE TO SAY IS WHAT WOULD CONCERN US IF WE IGNORE
9:19:47AM RESOLUTION 568.
9:19:49AM WHAT WOULD CONCERN US IS BIKING, WALKING, LIVING, WHILE
9:19:53AM BLACK PENALTIES.
9:19:54AM THAT WOULD CONCERN US.
9:19:55AM HERE IN TAMPA WE HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING
9:19:58AM GRATE.
9:19:58AM FORBES HAS ALREADY SAID THAT ONE OF THE GREATEST CITIES TO
9:20:01AM LIVE IN IS TAMPA.
9:20:03AM WE WANT TO CONTINUE IN THAT.
9:20:05AM WHAT WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO IS THE POWER IN UNITY AND
9:20:09AM THE OUTCRY THAT WE HAVE AS IT RELATES TO HOUSING.
9:20:13AM NEXT WEEK WE HAVE ANOTHER WORKSHOP.
9:20:15AM I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT'S
9:20:18AM HAPPENING AND WHAT COULD HAPPEN AS IT RELATES TO THE NEED.
9:20:21AM WE NEED OVER 26,000 UNITS FOR HOUSING.
9:20:24AM HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET THERE?
9:20:25AM WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE STRATEGY?
9:20:27AM YOU KEEP IT AT THE TOP OF MIND HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET TO
9:20:31AM 26,000 UNITS?
9:20:33AM WHAT WILL BE THE STRATEGY?
9:20:34AM WHO WILL PARTICIPATE?
9:20:36AM WHAT IS MY CONSTITUENTS SAYING?
9:20:39AM THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO.
9:20:42AM THAT IS THE OUTCRY.
9:20:43AM THE NEED IS TO CALL, ALL OF YOU HAVE BEEN VOTED IN TO HELP
9:20:48AM THE COMMUNITY.
9:20:48AM THE PEOPLE TRUST YOU, BELIEVE IN YOU.
9:20:50AM WE WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE PUTTING EVERY SINGLE OUNCE OF
9:20:53AM EFFORT YOU HAVE INTO THE NEED WHICH IS HOUSING.
9:20:55AM THAT IS OUR PRIORITY.
9:20:57AM AS IT RELATES TO RESOLUTION 568, I JUST BELIEVE THAT IF YOU
9:21:02AM DO THE RIGHT THING AS IT RELATES TO OUT-OF-THE-BOX
9:21:05AM APPROACHES TO HOUSING, UTILIZING SOME OF THE EXISTING
9:21:08AM LANDOWNERS PROPERTY AND THEIR INTEREST IN CONTRIBUTING TO
9:21:12AM THIS GREAT NEED.
9:21:13AM OUT-OF-THE-BOX APPROACHES.
9:21:16AM SPEAKING TO THE NONPROFITS THAT ALREADY EXIST.
9:21:17AM NOT REINVENTING THE WHEEL.
9:21:19AM PEOPLE ALREADY WORKING IN THE SPACE.
9:21:21AM THERE CAN BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAS BEEN
9:21:25AM AFFECTED BY THE SYSTEMIC RACISM AS IT RELATES TO LAND USE
9:21:29AM AND ZONING, ET CETERA.
9:21:30AM YOU CAN DO SOMETHING SPECIAL AS IT RELATES TO HOUSING AND
9:21:33AM CHECK THE BOX OVER IN REGARDING THIS RESOLUTION 568.
9:21:37AM I DO BELIEVE THAT COMMITTEE IS IMPORTANT.
9:21:39AM I DO BELIEVE WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, BUT WE NEED
9:21:42AM TO QUANTIFY IT AND IDENTIFY HOW WE'LL MAKE THAT APPROACH.
9:21:45AM I DO THINK YOU HAVE SOME PROGRAMS IN PLACE, BUT JUST FIND A
9:21:48AM WAY TO APPROPRIATE IT SO THAT WE CAN SEE THAT YOU CARE ABOUT
9:21:50AM THIS RESOLUTION, YOU CARE ABOUT THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE
9:21:53AM WAITING ON YOU TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
9:21:56AM RECENTLY, I SENT YOU ALL AN E-MAIL SAYING THERE WAS A
9:21:58AM SYNERGY HERE.
9:21:59AM YOU GUYS WERE WORKING COLLECTIVELY.
9:22:01AM WE DON'T WANT TO STOP THAT.
9:22:02AM THE ADMINISTRATION SLOWED DOWN THEIR ATTACKS.
9:22:04AM YOU GUYS ARE WORKING WELL TOGETHER.
9:22:06AM I DON'T WANT TO SEE A DISTRACTION FROM A NON-TAMPA RESIDENT
9:22:09AM AFFECT US.
9:22:10AM WE CAN STILL BE GREAT IN TAMPA.
9:22:12AM THANK YOU.
9:22:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
9:22:13AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:22:13AM YES, MA'AM.
9:22:14AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:22:15AM GOOD MORNING.
9:22:17AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:22:17AM CONNIE BURTON.
9:22:20AM I WAS HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 4, BUT I WOULD JUST
9:22:25AM SAY NATIONALLY IT IS BEING REVEALED OF THE GAP BETWEEN HOME
9:22:31AM OWNERSHIP AS IT RELATES TO THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY
9:22:35AM THROUGHOUT THE NATION.
9:22:37AM AND IN A RECENT REPORT, IT SHOWED THE MEDIAN INCOME OF BLACK
9:22:43AM FOLKS, AFRICAN AMERICANS IN THIS CITY WAS ALMOST TWO TO ONE
9:22:48AM TO THAT OF WHITE FOLKS.
9:22:49AM EVEN WHEN THERE IS SIGNIFICANT DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE,
9:22:55AM WORKING CLASS POOR PEOPLE HAVE STILL NOT BEEN ABLE TO
9:22:58AM PURCHASE THOSE HOMES.
9:22:59AM SO A REAL DEEP-DIVE DISCUSSION AND CREATIVE THINKING HAS TO
9:23:05AM OCCUR IN ORDER TO GET US TO THAT PLACE.
9:23:07AM THAT'S WHY I'M TRULY IN FAVOR OF HAVING PEOPLE THAT CAN
9:23:14AM SPEAK CLEARLY TO THE ISSUES.
9:23:18AM THE FACT THAT WE HAVE IN THIS CITY A MAYOR ADVISORY COUNCIL
9:23:25AM THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 1981 THAT HAS FAILED TO EVEN
9:23:30AM COME BACK AND GIVE A REPORT TO THE COUNCIL OR EITHER TO THE
9:23:33AM COMMUNITY.
9:23:33AM THE FACT THAT YOU APPOINT -- YOU, THE BODY -- APPOINTS --
9:23:38AM YOU DON'T APPOINT, BUT THE MAYOR APPOINT THE TAMPA HOUSING
9:23:42AM AUTHORITY BOARD WITH YOUR APPROVAL, AND THOSE PEOPLE NEVER
9:23:46AM COME HERE TO SAY OR GIVE AN ACCOUNTING AS TO WHY WE HAVE
9:23:52AM WELL OVER 20,000 PEOPLE WAITING FOR HOUSING.
9:23:55AM THE HOUSING AUTHORITY NEVER ADDRESSED THE FACT THAT OVER 25
9:23:58AM YEARS, THEY CANNOT GIVE AN ACCOUNTING OF HOW MANY PEOPLE
9:24:02AM HAVE GONE INTO HOME OWNERSHIP.
9:24:04AM SO, YES, WE DO NEED A COMMISSION OF PEOPLE THAT IS UNAFRAID
9:24:10AM TO SPEAK TO THE REAL ISSUES IN OUR COMMUNITY.
9:24:13AM IN RESOLUTION 568, YOU SAID THAT YOU UNDERSTOOD LONG-TERM
9:24:19AM SYSTEMIC RACISM IS NOT GOING TO DISAPPEAR UNTIL WE MEET WITH
9:24:26AM REAL LEGITIMATE CONCERNS, ISSUES, AND WILLING TO MOVE
9:24:30AM FORWARD.
9:24:31AM 568 IS REAL.
9:24:33AM 568 AIN'T GOING NOWHERE.
9:24:35AM THE COMMUNITY IS UNITED WITH KNOWING THAT THIS COUNCIL, FOUR
9:24:40AM YEARS AGO, WROTE THE RESOLUTION, COMMITTED THEMSELVES TO IT,
9:24:44AM BUT HAS NOT PUT FEET TO FIRE.
9:24:46AM WHAT I WAS IMPRESSED WITH LAST WEEK WHEN I HEARD THE BUDGET
9:24:50AM DIRECTOR, WHEN YOU ASKED THE QUESTION, COULD THE CITY BUDGET
9:24:55AM SUSTAIN IF EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU ALL RECEIVED $75,000
9:25:00AM PAY INCREASE, AND THE ANSWER WAS, YES.
9:25:03AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SAID, COULD IT HANDLE $100,000?
9:25:08AM AND HE SAID, YES.
9:25:09AM SO, THEREFORE, THE COMMUNITY IS LOOKING AT WAYS IN WHICH YOU
9:25:13AM AND THE MAYOR'S ADMINISTRATION CAN PUT SUCH A COMMISSION
9:25:17AM TOGETHER THAT DON'T SIT STALLED BUT HAS THE NECESSARY
9:25:23AM RESOURCES SO WE CAN DEAL WITH THE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS OF
9:25:26AM THAT RESOLUTION AND START MOVING OUR COMMUNITY FORWARD.
9:25:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:25:29AM ALL RIGHT.
9:25:31AM IS THERE ANYONE ELSE?
9:25:32AM IF NOT, I'LL ASK IF ANYBODY IS REGISTERED FOR GENERAL PUBLIC
9:25:36AM COMMENT?
9:25:36AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:25:38AM THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:25:40AM AT THIS TIME, WE'LL START OFF WITH ITEM NUMBER 1 ON OUR
9:25:43AM WORKSHOP.
9:25:43AM I BELIEVE MR. O'CONNOR IS HERE, AS WELL AS OTHERS, TO
9:25:47AM PRESENT ON THAT.
9:25:48AM THERE IS A PowerPoint PRESENTATION AS WELL.
9:25:51AM YES, MA'AM.
9:25:51AM MS. FEELEY.
9:25:52AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
9:25:53AM ABBYE FEELEY, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH
9:25:55AM MANAGEMENT FOR THE CITY.
9:25:56AM WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PowerPoint PRESENTATION ON 1, 2, AND 3,
9:26:01AM AS THEY ARE ALL RELATED TO ILLEGAL CONSTRUCTION,
9:26:06AM CONSTRUCTION PROCESS, OVER-ENFORCEMENT, UNDERENFORCEMENT,
9:26:10AM AND THEN ALSO ON EDUCATING THE REAL ESTATE COMMUNITY ON THE
9:26:16AM PERMIT CAPABILITIES AND UNPERMITTED WORK.
9:26:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
9:26:21AM ARE YOU GOING TO DO AND DO EACH PowerPoint PRESENTATION
9:26:23AM BACK TO BACK TO BACK OR PAUSE AND ALLOW FOR PUBLIC COMMENT
9:26:27AM AND THEN GO?
9:26:27AM ANY SUGGESTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS?
9:26:30AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I ONLY HAVE ONE PRESENTATION.
9:26:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK: IT'S ALL TOGETHER.
9:26:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
9:26:34AM COVERING 1, 2, AND 3.
9:26:36AM VERY GOOD.
9:26:37AM YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
9:26:38AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCIL.
9:26:39AM ABBYE FEELEY AGAIN.
9:26:41AM WITH ME THIS MORNING IS KEITH O'CONNOR, DIRECTOR OF CODE
9:26:46AM ENFORCEMENT.
9:26:47AM JC HUDGISON, OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL.
9:26:50AM FROM OUR LEGAL TEAM, SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ AND CAMARIA
9:26:54AM PETTIS-MACKLE.
9:26:55AM WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THESE THREE MOTIONS TOGETHER AND WE
9:26:58AM HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PRESENTATION FOR YOU THIS MORNING.
9:27:00AM HERE ARE THE THREE MOTIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED BY VARIOUS
9:27:09AM COUNCIL MEMBERS IN RELATION TO THIS TOPIC.
9:27:12AM THE FIRST WAS TO BRING FORTH A PLAN FOR THE ILLEGAL
9:27:18AM RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
9:27:21AM THE SECOND WAS TO DISCUSS HOW THE CITY CAN FAIRLY AND
9:27:24AM SYSTEMATICALLY GO THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS TO IDENTIFY WHAT
9:27:27AM STRUCTURES ARE ILLEGAL, AND THEN ALSO TO WORK WITH THE
9:27:30AM REALTOR AND REAL ESTATE COMMUNITY TO ADEQUATELY INFORM
9:27:33AM BUYERS.
9:27:33AM AND THEN THE LAST ONE WAS TO EXPLAIN THE CURRENT OR NEW
9:27:38AM POLICIES TO EVALUATE WHETHER WE ARE ENFORCING TOO LITTLE OR
9:27:41AM TOO MUCH.
9:27:42AM TODAY'S PRESENTATION IS ORGANIZED IN THE FOLLOWING WAY: WE
9:27:49AM ARE GOING TO HAVE SUSAN COME UP AND SHARE WITH YOU SOME OF
9:27:52AM THE REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY PROFESSIONALS, WHAT OUR
9:27:56AM RESPONSIBILITY IS IN RELATION TO DOING OUTREACH, AND WHAT
9:27:59AM THOSE INDUSTRY PROFESSIONALS RESPONSIBILITY IS IN ORDER TO
9:28:05AM BE PROVIDING THEIR SERVICES.
9:28:07AM AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH THE OBJECTIVE OF NEIGHBORHOOD
9:28:10AM ENHANCEMENT AND CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY.
9:28:12AM THE CURRENT ENFORCEMENT PROCESS.
9:28:14AM IT HAS TWO DIFFERENT ARMS TO IT.
9:28:16AM ONE IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD ENHANCEMENT SIDE OR WHAT WE REFER TO
9:28:20AM AS THE CODE ENFORCEMENT SIDE, AND THE OTHER ONE IS THE
9:28:22AM CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY COMPLIANCE TEAM WHICH WE STARTED ABOUT
9:28:26AM TWO YEARS AGO UNDER JC'S DIRECTION THAT REALLY DEALS WITH
9:28:31AM ACTIVE CONSTRUCTION.
9:28:32AM AND WHAT WAS HAPPENING WAS WHEN CODE ENFORCEMENT WOULD
9:28:36AM HANDLE A STOP-WORK ORDER OR WORK WITHOUT PERMIT, IT WOULD
9:28:41AM TAKE ALMOST 21 DAYS FOR THAT TO BECOME AN ACTUAL VIOLATION.
9:28:45AM FOR PEOPLE WHO WERE DOING ILLEGAL WORK, THEY WOULD COME IN
9:28:49AM AND GO OUT AND THAT 21 DAYS WAS CRITICAL TO ACTUALLY GETTING
9:28:53AM THAT PROPERTY CITED.
9:28:54AM SO THAT WAS TAKEN IN HOUSE TO THE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES
9:28:59AM DIVISION, AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT TODAY, TOO.
9:29:01AM SO WE'LL TAKE YOU THROUGH WHAT THE CURRENT ENFORCEMENT
9:29:04AM PROCESS IS.
9:29:05AM WE'LL ALSO GIVE YOU SOME NUMBERS ON HOW MANY ENFORCEMENT
9:29:08AM CASES WE'VE HAD.
9:29:10AM WHO HAS GONE TO MAGISTRATE.
9:29:12AM HOW MANY OF THOSE CASES COMPLIED BEFORE THEY WENT TO THE
9:29:15AM MAGISTRATE.
9:29:15AM WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
9:29:16AM THEN WE ACTUALLY BROUGHT TO YOU TODAY SOME PICTURES OF
9:29:20AM WHAT'S GOING ON, WHEN WE GO OUT, WHEN SOMEBODY IS PULLING A
9:29:24AM PERMIT FOR X, WE GO OUT AND WE SEE WORK IS BEING DONE ON Y,
9:29:29AM AND THAT WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THAT OUR
9:29:32AM BUILDINGS ARE SAFE FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS, AND THAT
9:29:38AM THEY ARE BEING MAINTAINED THAT WAY.
9:29:39AM I THINK THAT IS THE OTHER CRITICAL IN THIS DISCUSSION IS
9:29:42AM THAT JC'S TEAM REALLY HANDLES WHEN SOMETHING IS UNDER
9:29:47AM CONSTRUCTION.
9:29:47AM KEITH'S TEAM REALLY HANDLES THE MAINTENANCE OF PROPERTIES
9:29:50AM AND THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE.
9:29:52AM ONCE THEY RECEIVED A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY OR A
9:29:54AM CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION FOR THE WORK, THEIR TEAM REALLY
9:29:58AM DEALS WITH ACCUMULATIONS, INOPERABLE VEHICLES.
9:30:01AM WE'LL GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT FOR YOU THIS MORNING.
9:30:04AM I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO SUSAN TO TALK TO YOU A LITTLE
9:30:08AM BIT ABOUT THE REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY AND PROFESSIONALS.
9:30:14AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
9:30:15AM SUSAN JOHNSON VELEZ, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
9:30:17AM AS ABBYE MENTIONED, ONE OF THE COMPONENTS OF ONE OF THE
9:30:21AM MOTIONS WAS HOW TO WORK WITH INDUSTRY PROFESSIONALS.
9:30:23AM BUT THOSE REGULATIONS AND REQUIRED DISCLOSURES FOR THINGS
9:30:27AM LIKE LATENT DEFECTS ARE REALLY CONTROLLED BY STATE LAW.
9:30:30AM YOU CAN SEE THE BRIEF QUOTE HERE FROM THE CASE JOHNSON V.
9:30:34AM DAVIS, 1985, FLORIDA SUPREME COURT CASE THAT OBLIGATION OR
9:30:38AM REQUIRES A SELLER OF A HOME TO DISCLOSE FACTS THAT MIGHT
9:30:42AM AFFECT THE VALUE OF A PROPERTY THAT WOULDN'T BE READILY
9:30:45AM AVAILABLE OR OBSERVABLE BY A BUYER.
9:30:48AM REQUIRES THAT SELLER TO NOTIFY THE BUYER.
9:30:50AM SO THAT, AGAIN, IS CONTROLLED BY STATE LAW.
9:30:53AM STILL GOOD LAW TODAY AND SELLERS ARE REQUIRED TO MAKE THAT
9:30:56AM DISCLOSURE.
9:30:57AM AND REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONALS ARE WELL AWARE OF THOSE
9:31:00AM REQUIREMENTS FOR SELLERS TO MAKE DISCLOSURES.
9:31:02AM SO THINGS LIKE UNPERMITTED WORK WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE
9:31:08AM DISCLOSED IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S READILY OBSERVABLE BY
9:31:11AM A BUYER.
9:31:12AM THIS APPLIES TO WHETHER IT'S NEW CONSTRUCTION.
9:31:13AM IT APPLIES TO A HOUSE THAT WOULD BE A HUNDRED YEARS OLD.
9:31:15AM IT APPLIES TO COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE.
9:31:17AM IT APPLIES TO RESIDENTIAL REAL ESTATE.
9:31:20AM I JUST PUT THE FAR-BAR CONTRACT.
9:31:24AM BOUGHT OR SOLD REAL ESTATE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, YOU
9:31:26AM MIGHT BE FAMILIAR WITH THE FAR-BAR CONTRACT.
9:31:28AM IT IS A CONTRACT THAT WAS CREATED THROUGH A COLLABORATION OF
9:31:31AM FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS AND THE FLORIDA BAR TO MAKE
9:31:34AM SURE THAT ALL THE REQUIRED ELEMENTS FOR A PURCHASE AND SALE
9:31:38AM ARE INCLUDED IN A DOCUMENT AND ALSO INCLUDES ALL THOSE
9:31:42AM REQUIRED DISCLOSURES, THE STANDARD DISCLOSURES.
9:31:45AM IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
9:31:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
9:31:51AM REGARDING THIS, SELLER OF A HOME KNOWS, SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF
9:31:57AM THEY KNOW OF A SELLER OR PROPERTY OWNER KNOWS OF ISSUES AND
9:32:03AM DOES NOT DISCLOSE THEM AND LIES ON THE FORM, NO EVERYTHING
9:32:07AM IS FINE, THE INSPECTOR DOESN'T CATCH THEM BECAUSE THEY
9:32:12AM DIDN'T DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE --
9:32:14AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THEN REMEDIES UNDER STATE LAW THAT
9:32:17AM ARE AVAILABLE TO A BUYER OF THAT PROPERTY AGAINST THE
9:32:19AM SELLER.
9:32:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IN WHAT CASE?
9:32:21AM YOU WOULD SUE FOR BREACH OF CONTRACT?
9:32:27AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: RIGHT.
9:32:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VARIETY OF THINGS.
9:32:29AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: EXACTLY.
9:32:30AM BUT THERE ARE REMEDIES AVAILABLE UNDER STATE LAW TO A SELLER
9:32:34AM AGAINST -- I'M SORRY, TO A BUYER AGAINST A SELLER FOR
9:32:37AM FAILURE TO MAKE THOSE DISCLOSURES.
9:32:39AM THERE MAY BE ALSO CAUSE OF ACTION AGAINST THE REAL ESTATE
9:32:42AM PROFESSIONAL WHO FAILS TO DISCLOSE.
9:32:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS IT EVEN WORTH IT IF IT IS A THOUSAND
9:32:49AM DOLLAR REPAIR BUT THOUSANDS IN LITIGATION?
9:32:51AM THAT IS THE QUESTION.
9:32:53AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THAT IS THE BALANCING TEST, CORRECT.
9:32:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, I SAW YOUR HAND
9:32:57AM AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:32:58AM >>BILL CARLSON: TWO QUESTIONS.
9:32:59AM DO THEY SIMPLY HAVE TO STATE THE FACT?
9:33:04AM LIKE IF A HOUSE IS A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET AND THERE'S AN
9:33:09AM ADJACENT ADU OR WHATEVER THAT'S 500 SQUARE FEET -- I'M
9:33:13AM MAKING THIS UP -- BUT IF THEY SIMPLY STATE THE HOUSE IS A
9:33:17AM THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, IS THAT SUFFICIENT?
9:33:20AM BECAUSE THEY ARE EXCLUDING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE
9:33:22AM ADJACENT STRUCTURE OR DO THEY SPECIFICALLY HAVE TO DISCLOSE
9:33:28AM THAT THERE IS AN ILLEGAL STRUCTURE?
9:33:31AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: IT WOULD BE ANYTHING THAT'S NOT
9:33:32AM READILY OBSERVABLE.
9:33:33AM A PERMIT -- A PERMIT OR A CONSTRUCTION THAT TOOK PLACE
9:33:38AM WITHOUT A PERMIT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT READILY
9:33:40AM OBSERVABLE OR IT MIGHT BE THERE IS A SITUATION ON THE LAND
9:33:43AM WHERE IT FLOODS IN A CERTAIN AREA AND THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF
9:33:47AM THINGS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE DISCLOSED.
9:33:50AM >>BILL CARLSON: IF THERE IS AN ADU THAT'S ILLEGAL, NOT JUST
9:33:53AM EXCLUDE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT HAVE TO SAY THIS STRUCTURE
9:33:56AM IS NOT PERMITTED?
9:33:58AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THAT WOULD BE A FACT THAT MIGHT NOT
9:33:59AM BE READILY AVAILABLE.
9:34:01AM BUT SOMEBODY MIGHT BE ABLE TO -- YOU KNOW, ALL THESE THINGS
9:34:03AM ARE ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.
9:34:05AM OBVIOUSLY, IF SOMEBODY DOES THEIR DUE DILIGENCE TO A CERTAIN
9:34:09AM EXTENT, THE OBLIGATION IS ON THE BUYER AS WELL TO DO THEIR
9:34:12AM DUE DILIGENCE AND CHECK ALL THE AVAILABLE PUBLIC RECORDS TO
9:34:15AM SEE WHETHER THERE ARE PERMITS FOR CERTAIN STRUCTURES ON THE
9:34:20AM PROPERTY.
9:34:20AM >>BILL CARLSON: IT SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD MAYBE DO SOME
9:34:22AM OUTREACH TO THE REALTORS ASSOCIATION TO SEE IF THERE'S MORE
9:34:27AM EDUCATION AND INFORMATION WE SHOULD PUT OUT THERE.
9:34:29AM THE OTHER THING IS, THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S WEBSITE HAS A
9:34:34AM SITE PLAN FOR EVERY PROPERTY.
9:34:36AM CAN SOMEONE ASSUME THAT THAT SITE PLAN IS CORRECT AND IT
9:34:41AM WOULD NOT INCLUDE ILLEGAL STRUCTURES?
9:34:43AM OR WOULD IT SOMETIMES INCLUDE ILLEGAL STRUCTURES?
9:34:48AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.
9:34:52AM I DON'T KNOW.
9:34:52AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: ABBYE FEELEY.
9:34:54AM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER IS A TAXING ENTITY.
9:34:57AM THEY ARE NOT A CONSTRUCTION ENTITY.
9:34:59AM SOMETIMES THERE ARE STRUCTURES THAT ARE SHOWN ON THERE THAT
9:35:03AM THEY HAVE GONE OUT AND SEEN THAT THE STRUCTURES NOW EXIST
9:35:06AM BUT THEY NEVER HAD PERMITS ON THEM.
9:35:08AM WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT AS ONE OF OUR TOOLS BECAUSE
9:35:10AM IN LEON COUNTY, UNDER THEIR PROPERTY APPRAISER, YOU CAN
9:35:14AM CLICK ON AND IT ACTUALLY HAS A CONNECTION TO THE PERMIT.
9:35:18AM ALL OF THE PERMIT RECORDS.
9:35:20AM SO THAT'S ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE INITIATED AND ARE
9:35:23AM STARTING TO HAVE WITH MR. HENRIQUEZ OF THE PROPERTY
9:35:27AM APPRAISER'S OFFICE TO SEE IF THERE IS A WAY FOR US TO -- I
9:35:30AM DON'T WANT TO SPEAK AHEAD OF THAT ACTION BEING TAKEN AND
9:35:33AM KNOWING.
9:35:34AM SO IF YOU GO ON, IF YOU'RE PURCHASING A PROPERTY IN LEON
9:35:36AM COUNTY AND YOU GO ON AND THE PROPERTY IS LISTED AS A
9:35:40AM THREE-BEDROOM, TWO-BATH, AND YOU GO ON TO THE PROPERTY
9:35:43AM APPRAISER AND IT'S ONLY APPRAISED AS TWO BEDROOM, ONE BATH,
9:35:46AM YOU COULD LINK INTO THE PERMITS AND SEE, DID THEY PULL A
9:35:50AM PERMIT FOR THE ADDITION?
9:35:51AM IF SOMEBODY SAYS BRAND-NEW ROOF, BRAND-NEW AC, YOU CAN LINK
9:35:57AM TO SEE THE ENTIRE PERMIT HISTORY.
9:35:59AM THEY ARE USING THAT NOT TO MAKE THE PROPERTY APPRAISER
9:36:02AM ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE ADDITION, BUT TO SHOW THE BUYER OR THE
9:36:06AM SELLER WHAT IS THE PERMIT RECORD THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH
9:36:09AM THAT PROPERTY.
9:36:09AM >>BILL CARLSON: SEEMS LIKE MOST PEOPLE BUY, ESPECIALLY
9:36:14AM BECAUSE WE HAVE A HUGE INFLUX OF NEW PEOPLE MOVING IN, THAT
9:36:17AM THEY WOULDN'T KNOW.
9:36:18AM I THINK MOST PEOPLE TEND TO BELIEVE WHAT THEY SEE AND
9:36:23AM WOULDN'T KNOW ALL THE RESOURCES TO LOOK AT.
9:36:25AM THE MORE WE CAN LINK IT, THE BETTER.
9:36:27AM MS. JOHNSON-VELEZ, DOES IT SAY ANYWHERE IN THE FAR-BAR RULES
9:36:31AM THAT IF THERE ARE ANY ATTACHMENTS THAT THEY MUST BE APPROVED
9:36:38AM SITE PLANS?
9:36:38AM IT SEEMS TO ME IN THE DOCUMENTS I'VE SEEN BEFORE THAT
9:36:41AM SOMETIMES THEY PRINT OUT LIKE THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S PLAN
9:36:44AM AND NOT AN ACCELA PLAN.
9:36:47AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I COULDN'T SPEAK TO THE REQUIREMENTS
9:36:49AM OF ANY ATTACHMENTS TO THE FAR-BAR CONTRACT.
9:36:51AM I DON'T HAVE A COPY OF IT WITH ME, BUT I'M HAPPY TO GET YOU
9:36:55AM THAT INFORMATION IF YOU'D LIKE.
9:36:57AM >>BILL CARLSON: I GUESS YOU GUYS WILL TALK ABOUT IT LATER.
9:36:59AM IT SEEMS LIKE WE NEED TO HAVE A ROBUST CONVERSATION WITH THE
9:37:02AM REALTORS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS PROTECTED,
9:37:05AM BECAUSE IF WE GO IN AND START IDENTIFYING LOTS OF ILLEGAL
9:37:09AM STRUCTURES, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE COULD BE LOTS OF LAWSUITS
9:37:12AM OR LOTS OF ARGUMENTS OUT THERE.
9:37:13AM IT WOULD BE BETTER TO PROACTIVELY HELP MAKE SURE THE
9:37:16AM REALTORS ARE PARTNERING WITH US TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC.
9:37:19AM THANK YOU.
9:37:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:37:21AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:37:22AM THANK ALL OF YOU FOR DOING WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN THE PAST AND
9:37:26AM CONTINUE TO WORK TOWARDS MAKING THIS ITEM HERE REALITY,
9:37:31AM WHICH IS VERY HARD WORK, VERY DIFFICULT, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN
9:37:34AM GOING ON FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
9:37:36AM 10, 20, 30 YEARS.
9:37:38AM I'VE HEARD THE WORD STRUCTURES.
9:37:40AM SOMETIMES A STRUCTURE DOES NOT CHANGE.
9:37:42AM THE INTERNAL PART OF THE STRUCTURE CHANGES, WHICH YOU CANNOT
9:37:46AM SEE.
9:37:46AM I DON'T CARE WHAT KIND OF RADAR OR WHAT KIND OF SCREAMING
9:37:50AM YOU HAVE FROM ANY ELECTED OFFICIAL'S OFFICE.
9:37:53AM WHAT IS ENTANGLED HERE, IT'S REALLY ABOUT -- I UNDERSTAND OR
9:37:57AM I THINK I BELIEVE I UNDERSTAND REGARDING THE POSITION THAT
9:38:01AM WE'RE IN, NOT ONLY IN THIS CITY, BUT THROUGHOUT AMERICA
9:38:04AM ABOUT FINDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND PEOPLE MOVING IN WHERE
9:38:07AM THEY CAN AFFORD A PLACE TO LIVE.
9:38:10AM WHAT HAPPENS BETWEEN THESE STRUCTURES IS THAT THE INTERIOR
9:38:13AM OF THE BUILDING IS CHANGED.
9:38:14AM AND WHEN YOU HAD A THREE BEDROOM, NOW YOU HAVE A SIX BEDROOM
9:38:18AM APARTMENT, HOUSE, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, WITHOUT ANY
9:38:20AM CHANGES ON THE OUTSIDE.
9:38:22AM NOW, I'M SURE THAT IF THERE IS A COMPANY THAT OWNS THEM,
9:38:27AM THEY ARE PAYING A MUCH HIGHER RATE BECAUSE IT IS A RENTAL,
9:38:30AM NOT A PERSONAL PROPERTY.
9:38:32AM BELONGS TO A CORPORATION, COMPANY, WHATEVER.
9:38:34AM AND IN THESE CASES, JUST AN EXAMPLE -- I MAY BE A COUPLE OF
9:38:38AM DOLLARS OFF AND JUST THROW OUT AS EXAMPLE.
9:38:40AM IF YOU'RE PAYING A THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR ON YOUR AD
9:38:42AM VALOREM TAXES, IF THIS WAS A RENTAL PROPERTY, YOU'RE PAYING
9:38:46AM $3,000 A YEAR BECAUSE THERE'S RENTAL.
9:38:49AM THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS, WHAT IS THE SCHOOL SYSTEM GETTING?
9:38:56AM WHAT IS THE CITY OF TAMPA GETTING?
9:38:58AM WHAT IS THE COUNTY GETTING?
9:39:00AM VERY LITTLE TO NONE FROM THE CHANGES OF THE AD VALOREM TAXES
9:39:04AM SINCE IT WAS BUILT AS A STRUCTURE FOR A FAMILY.
9:39:08AM BUT THE FAMILY IS NOT THERE NO MORE.
9:39:09AM THEY HAVE SOLD OUT AND SOME COMPANY BOUGHT IT OR SOME
9:39:13AM INDIVIDUALS BOUGHT IT AND CHANGED THE INSIDE.
9:39:15AM THOSE THAT HAVE A LEGITIMATE BUSINESS, THOSE INDIVIDUALS,
9:39:17AM I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THEM BECAUSE I'M SURE THAT THEY ARE
9:39:20AM LISTED UNDER THE COMPANY IN WHICH THEY OWN OR WHATEVER.
9:39:24AM SO IT COMES TO MY ATTENTION BY MANY INDIVIDUALS, NOT ONLY
9:39:29AM YOU GOT SOUTH OF KENNEDY AND NORTH OF KENNEDY.
9:39:32AM I DON'T BELIEVE SOUTH OF KENNEDY, YOU MAY HAVE SOME, BUT YOU
9:39:35AM DON'T HAVE THE GREATEST PREPONDERANCE OF THEM ANYWHERE NEAR
9:39:39AM WHAT YOU HAVE NORTH OF KENNEDY.
9:39:40AM WHY IS THAT?
9:39:41AM THE INCOME OF THE PERSON BUYING THE HOUSES CAN'T AFFORD TO
9:39:48AM BUY A HOUSE SOUTH OF KENNEDY.
9:39:50AM AND THIS GOES BACK TO YEARS.
9:39:52AM NOW IT'S GETTING PRETTY -- YOU CAN'T AFFORD A HOUSE ANYWHERE
9:39:55AM YOU GO.
9:39:56AM WHAT IS HAPPENING IS THEY TURN THESE HOUSES INTO MOTELS --
9:40:07AM MOTEL MIGHT NOT BE THE RIGHT WORD -- BUT A HOUSE WHERE YOU
9:40:10AM CAN HAVE THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE LIVING IN IT.
9:40:13AM YOU'RE NOT PAYING YOUR TAXES PROPERLY BECAUSE YOU'RE A
9:40:18AM CORPORATION WITHOUT A NAME.
9:40:19AM YOU OWN IT, AND I MIGHT USE MY NAME AND SOMEBODY ELSE SAYS,
9:40:23AM NO, MY NAME IS CHARLES A. MIRANDA AND SOMEBODY BUYS CHARLES
9:40:27AM MIRANDA, THE "A" IS NOT THERE, IT IS A DIFFERENT PERSON.
9:40:30AM IT'S NOT, IN MOST INSTANCES.
9:40:33AM SO THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT CONTRIBUTING TO THE
9:40:39AM COFFERS OF ANY GOVERNMENT, BUT WE, THE TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING
9:40:44AM FOR THEIR TAXES BECAUSE IF THEY WERE PAYING HIGHER, MAYBE WE
9:40:48AM WOULD BE A LITTLE LOWER, POSSIBLY.
9:40:50AM SO ALL THESE THINGS ARE THERE.
9:40:53AM THE ILLEGAL CONSTRUCTION IS ONE THING, BUT THE PREPONDERANCE
9:40:59AM OF THE PEOPLE THAT DO THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE MONEY.
9:41:02AM MOST OF IT IS IN CASH.
9:41:04AM I CAN VERIFY.
9:41:05AM I'VE HAD A COUPLE OF PEOPLE CALL ME AND SAY I CAN'T WRITE A
9:41:08AM CHECK.
9:41:09AM I HAVE TO GIVE THEM CASH.
9:41:10AM THERE'S EVIDENCE OF THAT SOMEWHERE.
9:41:12AM AND THAT'S CALLED, IN MY MIND, JUST NOT THE RIGHT THING TO
9:41:16AM DO.
9:41:17AM WE ALL LIVE IN THE SAME CITY.
9:41:18AM WE ALL HAVE THE SAME RESPONSIBILITY.
9:41:20AM THEY GET THE SAME BENEFITS WE ALL GET, BUT IT'S GOT TO
9:41:25AM CHANGE SOMEHOW.
9:41:25AM I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS POSSIBLE, BUT YOU CAN HAVE FOUR NAMES
9:41:29AM AND THEN YOU BUY ANOTHER HOUSE UNDER TWO NAMES WITHOUT THE
9:41:32AM OTHER LAST TWO NAMES.
9:41:34AM ALL THAT IS POSSIBLE.
9:41:35AM YOU HAVE TO THINK, IF THEY HAVE DONE THIS, WHAT ARE THEY
9:41:38AM GOING TO DO NEXT?
9:41:38AM I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY.
9:41:41AM I'M NOT ONE THAT'S SAYING NO TO ANY HOUSES BUILT BEHIND YOUR
9:41:45AM PROPERTY.
9:41:46AM ENOUGH -- SOMETHING AFFORDABLE, 800 SQUARE FOOT I THINK IS
9:41:51AM THE LAW AND YOU CAN DO THAT AS LONG AS THAT PROPERTY IS --
9:41:56AM YOU'RE GOING TO RENT IT OUT.
9:41:57AM AND I WANT TO HEAR ABOUT, THEY ARE ALL RELATED.
9:42:01AM SOMETIMES THEY ARE NOT ALL RELATED.
9:42:02AM SOMETIMES THE PROPERTY THAT YOU SEE THERE IS RENTED TO
9:42:07AM INDIVIDUALS WHO REALLY NEED HOUSING.
9:42:08AM AND THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN TOLD, AND THESE ARE
9:42:11AM THE THINGS THAT I'VE WITNESSED.
9:42:13AM AND THERE ARE SOME HOUSES WHERE NORTH OF KENNEDY THAT ARE SO
9:42:16AM VAGRANT THEY HAVE APARTMENT A, B, C AND D.
9:42:21AM YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE DOOR.
9:42:22AM SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE THERE, WHETHER THEY ARE
9:42:27AM QUALIFIED AS A LANDLORD AND THOSE PROPERTIES ARE TAXED AT A
9:42:30AM HIGHER RATE, I DON'T KNOW.
9:42:32AM BUT THERE WAS 120 SOME IN SOME SECTION OF THE CITY THAT WAS
9:42:36AM GIVEN.
9:42:37AM I'M SURE THAT MORE THAN LIKELY THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO
9:42:40AM ADDRESS TODAY BECAUSE THAT IS A START.
9:42:41AM BUT WITHIN THAT START, THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS YOU
9:42:44AM HAVE TO LOOK AT, NOT ONLY THE CHANGES TO THE STRUCTURE BUT
9:42:47AM THE OCCUPANCY RATE WHO IS IN THAT STRUCTURE.
9:42:51AM AND I'M NOT TRYING TO -- WHAT WE'RE DOING IN AFFORDABLE
9:42:56AM HOUSING IS GREAT.
9:42:58AM HOWEVER, I THINK WE CAN CHANGE IT BY MAKING DIFFERENT
9:43:01AM CHANGES BETWEEN US AND THE ADMINISTRATION.
9:43:03AM THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:43:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:43:05AM YES, MA'AM.
9:43:15AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: ABBYE FEELEY.
9:43:16AM WHAT IS THE OBJECTIVE OF NEIGHBORHOOD ENHANCEMENT AND THE
9:43:21AM CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY COMPLIANCE TEAM?
9:43:23AM REALLY, IT'S PROPERTY AND BUILDING SAFETY AND CODE
9:43:26AM COMPLIANCE.
9:43:27AM WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE DOING WORK WITHOUT PERMITS, YOU CAN'T
9:43:30AM ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THAT STRUCTURE, EITHER THAT THEY HAVE
9:43:34AM MOVED A LOAD-BEARING WALL WITHOUT A PERMIT AND NOW YOU DON'T
9:43:37AM KNOW IF THE ROOF IS GOING TO COLLAPSE.
9:43:38AM DONE ELECTRICAL WORK, PLUMBING WORK, THINGS THAT COULD BE
9:43:42AM HAZARDOUS TO THE INHABITANTS OF THE PROPERTY.
9:43:45AM SO THE CITATION PROCESS WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT
9:43:47AM ABOUT THAT NEXT, REALLY IS GEARED TOWARD ACCOMPLISHING
9:43:51AM COMPLIANCE.
9:43:51AM YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE THAT PERSON TO THE MAGISTRATE OR THE
9:43:54AM BOARD.
9:43:55AM YOU WANT THE STRUCTURE TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE
9:43:58AM SO THAT IT IS MEETING CODE AND IT'S SAFE.
9:44:01AM WHO MAKES UP THESE TEAMS?
9:44:05AM THE CITY IS COMPRISED OF 136,000 PARCELS, CLOSE TO 137,000
9:44:11AM PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE 33 INSPECTORS ON KEITH'S
9:44:16AM TEAM AND FOUR INSPECTORS ON JC'S TEAM.
9:44:20AM THAT'S 37 TEAM MEMBERS TO 137,000 PARCELS.
9:44:24AM CLEARLY WE'RE NOT TOUCHING EVERY PARCEL ONCE A YEAR.
9:44:31AM PROBABLY NOT TOUCHING EVERY PARCEL, YOU KNOW, IN TWO YEARS.
9:44:34AM BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO YOU WHAT WE HAVE AND
9:44:39AM WHO'S OUT THERE.
9:44:40AM I AM GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO CAMARIA TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT
9:44:44AM HOW AN INVESTIGATION STARTS, WHAT'S THAT PROCESS, AND THEN
9:44:48AM WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO JC AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK.
9:44:53AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: GOOD MORNING.
9:44:55AM CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
9:44:56AM LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW AN INVESTIGATION STARTS.
9:45:00AM THE PUBLIC CAN DO PROACTIVE -- I'M SORRY.
9:45:05AM THE PUBLIC CAN PROVIDE A COMPLAINT TO THE CITY OF TAMPA ON
9:45:09AM VARIOUS NUMEROUS WAYS.
9:45:11AM THIS SLIDE PROVIDES WAYS IN WHICH THE PUBLIC CAN PROVIDE
9:45:15AM COMPLAINTS TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:45:16AM BUT ALSO AN INVESTIGATION CAN BEGIN BY THE INSPECTORS DOING
9:45:21AM PROACTIVE WORK WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:45:23AM AS YOU COULD SEE ON THE SLIDE BELOW, WE HAVE DATA FROM 2022
9:45:30AM AND 2023 ON THE NUMBER OF PUBLIC COMPLAINTS THAT WERE
9:45:34AM RECEIVED TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:45:38AM THE NUMBER OF PROACTIVE COMPLAINTS FROM THE CITY INSPECTORS.
9:45:43AM AS YOU COULD SEE WITH NEIGHBORHOOD ENHANCEMENT -- AND I'LL
9:45:48AM EXPLAIN ON THE NEXT SLIDE WHAT EACH DEPARTMENT, WHAT CODE
9:45:56AM SECTIONS EACH DEPARTMENT FOCUSES ON.
9:45:58AM BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, NEIGHBORHOOD ENHANCEMENT, THE MAJORITY
9:46:02AM OF NEIGHBORHOOD ENHANCEMENT IS PROACTIVE INVESTIGATION AS
9:46:05AM OPPOSED TO CONSTRUCTION WITHOUT A PERMIT, THEY ARE
9:46:10AM RESPONDING TO PUBLIC COMPLAINTS.
9:46:12AM ON THE NEXT SLIDE, IT EXPLAINS THE CODE SECTIONS THAT EACH
9:46:18AM DEPARTMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR.
9:46:21AM CONSTRUCTION SERVICES STAYS IN CHAPTER 5, WHICH IS WORK
9:46:24AM WITHOUT PERMITS.
9:46:26AM AS OPPOSED TO NEIGHBORHOOD ENHANCEMENT, THOSE CODE
9:46:29AM INSPECTORS FOCUS ON PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, CHAPTER 19.
9:46:34AM STORMWATER, STREETS AND SIDEWALKS, TRANSPORTATION,
9:46:37AM ET CETERA.
9:46:38AM I'D ENCOURAGE MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL AND ALONG WITH THE
9:46:41AM PUBLIC TO REFER TO CODE SECTION 19-5 TO GET THE SPECIFIC
9:46:46AM CODE SECTIONS AND CHAPTERS THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ENHANCEMENT
9:46:50AM FOCUSES ON.
9:46:51AM BUT THIS JUST GIVES A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT THOSE APARTMENTS
9:46:55AM FOCUS ON.
9:46:56AM IF THOSE DEPARTMENTS WHEN THEY DO AN INSPECTION -- WHEN THEY
9:47:02AM COMPLETE THEIR INVESTIGATION, IF THEY DETERMINE THAT THERE
9:47:05AM IS A VIOLATION OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES, A
9:47:08AM NOTICE OF VIOLATION IS ISSUED.
9:47:10AM THE GOAL, AS ABBYE FEELEY STATED EARLIER, IS COMPLIANCE WITH
9:47:14AM THE CODE.
9:47:15AM SO THERE ARE THE MAJORITY OF THE INSTANCES WHERE PEOPLE
9:47:19AM RECEIVE A NOTICE OF VIOLATION.
9:47:22AM THEY ARE ALERTED THAT THEY ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE CITY OF
9:47:24AM TAMPA CODE.
9:47:25AM THEY COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
9:47:27AM IF THEY DON'T COME INTO COMPLIANCE, THEN OUR PROCESSES, YOUR
9:47:32AM CASE IS BEING PRESENTED TO A CODE ENFORCEMENT SPECIAL
9:47:34AM MAGISTRATE FOR HEARING TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE,
9:47:38AM IN FACT, IN VIOLATION OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE.
9:47:40AM THIS NEXT SLIDE PROVIDES DATA ON THE NUMBERS OF CASES IN
9:47:49AM WHICH NEIGHBORHOOD ENHANCEMENT AND CONSTRUCTION SERVICES
9:47:55AM HAVE DONE THROUGHOUT THE TWO YEARS FOR CASES THAT ARE
9:47:59AM COMPLIED, CASES THAT WENT TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE AND,
9:48:02AM AGAIN, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF COMPLIED.
9:48:04AM THIS SLIDE I'D ENCOURAGE CITY COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC TO VIEW
9:48:08AM THE COLUMNS ONLY AS INDIVIDUAL COLUMNS AND NOT AS A WHOLE.
9:48:12AM IF YOU COULD SEE THE TOTAL COMPLIED FOR CHAPTER 5, CHAPTER
9:48:17AM 19, AND CHAPTER 27, IN 2022 THERE IS A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF
9:48:23AM CASES THAT COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE.
9:48:25AM IN THAT SAME -- AND THAT SAME DATA SUPPORTS THE 2023, THE
9:48:33AM NUMBER OF CASES THAT COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY OF
9:48:36AM TAMPA CODE.
9:48:38AM AGAIN, THE GOAL OF NEIGHBORHOOD ENHANCEMENT AND THE GOAL OF
9:48:43AM CONSTRUCTION SERVICES IS COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE.
9:48:47AM I KNOW -- THIS SLIDE -- I APOLOGIZE THAT IT MAY BE HARD TO
9:48:57AM DIGEST.
9:48:58AM WHEN WE WERE BRAINSTORMING, I HAD DIFFICULTIES WITH IT ALSO.
9:49:03AM IF YOU LOOK AT IT JUST AS INDIVIDUAL COLUMN, THE DATA JUST
9:49:07AM SHOWS THE CASES THAT WERE COMPLIED BEFORE IT WENT TO --
9:49:12AM BEFORE THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE HAD TO EVEN GET INVOLVED.
9:49:15AM THEN THE CASES THAT WERE PRESENTED TO A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE
9:49:18AM AND THEN AT THE END, IT'S SHOWING THE NUMBER OF TOTAL CASES
9:49:24AM THAT COMPLIED AFTER A CODE ENFORCEMENT HEARING.
9:49:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:49:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE THE SLIDE
9:49:32AM BEFORE SHOWS -- WE DON'T HAVE IT ON OUR SCREENS.
9:49:43AM ACTUALLY, THE SLIDE BEFORE THAT.
9:49:46AM YEAH, I CAN'T SEE IT BECAUSE OF THE WORDS.
9:49:48AM IF YOU COULD POP IT ON OUR SCREENS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
9:49:50AM SO HERE, IT SHOWS THE TOTAL CASES IN 2022 WERE 12,000, BUT
9:49:58AM THEN IF YOU GO FORWARD TWO SLIDES, 900 WERE IN COMPLIANCE.
9:50:05AM WHAT HAPPENED --
9:50:10AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: THEY COULD HAVE COME INTO
9:50:12AM COMPLIANCE, BUT THIS IS JUST -- THIS SLIDE THAT IS ON YOUR
9:50:17AM SCREEN NOW IS SHOWING THE INITIAL, HOW AN INVESTIGATION
9:50:20AM STARTS.
9:50:21AM THE INITIAL PHASE.
9:50:23AM YOU CAN COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
9:50:25AM I UNDERSTAND, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU'RE CONNECTING THE
9:50:30AM SLIDES AND THE DATA.
9:50:32AM THIS IS NOT CONNECTING THE SLIDES AND THE DATA.
9:50:34AM THIS IS JUST A SLIDE.
9:50:39AM JUST IMAGINE CAPTURING THE DATA IN THIS SLIDE FOR WHAT THIS
9:50:43AM SLIDE IS ABOUT.
9:50:44AM SO THIS IS ABOUT THE INITIATION OF A CASE.
9:50:48AM SO FROM PUBLIC COMPLAINTS OR PROACTIVE INVESTIGATIONS.
9:50:54AM AGAIN, SO MANY CASES COME INTO COMPLIANCE AFTER THAT FIRST
9:50:59AM NOTICE OF VIOLATION ALERTING THE PUBLIC THAT YOU'RE IN
9:51:03AM VIOLATION OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE.
9:51:05AM A LOT OF CASES COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE.
9:51:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THE ONES THAT COME
9:51:10AM INTO COMPLIANCE ON THE OTHER SLIDE ARE AFTER --
9:51:14AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: YES.
9:51:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
9:51:15AM THAT MAKES SENSE.
9:51:16AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THESE ARE COMPLAINTS.
9:51:17AM THESE MAY NOT BECOME CODE CASES.
9:51:20AM WE HAVE CMPs WHICH ARE COMPLAINTS AND CODs WHICH ARE THE
9:51:24AM ACTUAL CASES.
9:51:25AM SO THESE ARE COMPLAINTS WHERE SOMEBODY SAID, I THINK THERE
9:51:28AM IS A VIOLATION.
9:51:29AM WE GO CHECK IT OUT.
9:51:30AM IT MAY OR MAY NOT BECOME A COD.
9:51:34AM IF IT BECOMES A COD, THAT IS THE NEXT SLIDE WHERE IT EITHER
9:51:39AM COMES INTO COMPLIANCE OR IT GOES TO THE MAGISTRATE.
9:51:41AM SO WHILE WE HAVE MORE COMPLAINTS THAN ARE ACTUAL CASES.
9:51:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK: PROACTIVE INVESTIGATION, YOU WOULD BE
9:51:51AM INVESTIGATOR SAYING, OH, THIS LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING MIGHT BE,
9:51:54AM BUT IT MIGHT NOT BE.
9:51:55AM I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
9:51:57AM OR ALSO, BUT YOU'RE TELLING ME THIS CAPTURES PEOPLE WHO JUST
9:52:00AM GET THAT FIRST NOTICE AND GO, OKAY, JUST GOING TO HANDLE IT,
9:52:04AM BE DONE WITH IT.
9:52:05AM IT'S OVER.
9:52:05AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I'M GOING TO MOW MY LAWN.
9:52:08AM NEVER BECOME A COD BECAUSE BY THE TIME THEY GO OUT THERE,
9:52:12AM THE LAWN IS MOWED AND THE NUMBER FALLS OFF.
9:52:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK: IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE THAT
9:52:18AM PERCENTAGE BECAUSE I THINK OBVIOUSLY THE MAJORITY OF CASES.
9:52:25AM I THINK THE PUBLIC -- IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW HOW
9:52:27AM MANY OF THOSE FOLKS JUST IMMEDIATELY COME INTO COMPLIANCE,
9:52:30AM WHICH, OBVIOUSLY, IS THE LARGE MAJORITY.
9:52:33AM BUT THANK YOU.
9:52:33AM THAT CLARIFIES MY QUESTION.
9:52:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN AND COUNCIL
9:52:37AM MEMBER CARLSON.
9:52:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ON THE OTHER SCREEN, THE LAST SCREEN YOU
9:52:40AM PRESENTED.
9:52:42AM ON THE CHAPTER 5 BUILDING CODE PERCENTAGE COMPLIED, WHAT
9:52:48AM HAPPENED TO THE OTHER 60%?
9:52:53AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: AGAIN, AS I STATED INITIALLY,
9:52:56AM PLEASE DON'T -- YOU'RE TRYING TO -- AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S
9:53:03AM EASY TO SAY I'M GOING TO USE THE NUMBERS ON THE TWO SLIDES
9:53:06AM BEFORE --
9:53:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO, NO.
9:53:08AM JUST ON THIS ONE.
9:53:09AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: THEY ARE INDIVIDUAL COLUMNS.
9:53:11AM THEY ARE NOT TOGETHER.
9:53:11AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THERE WERE 583 CHAPTER 5, RIGHT?
9:53:15AM THAT BECAME CODE CASES.
9:53:18AM 283 OF THOSE 583 COMPLIED.
9:53:22AM 300 ARE STILL -- WENT TO THE MAGISTRATE.
9:53:27AM SOME OF THEM COULD HAVE COMPLIED, BUT THERE ARE SOME STILL
9:53:29AM THAT ARE OPEN.
9:53:30AM 60% THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, THEY ARE EITHER IN THE
9:53:33AM PERMITTING PROCESS.
9:53:34AM THEY NEEDED A REZONING TO COME IN.
9:53:37AM THEY BUILT SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T MEET SETBACKS SO NOW THEY
9:53:40AM NEEDED A VARIANCE PLUS.
9:53:42AM SO THEIR CASE IS STILL OUT THERE.
9:53:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT ARE THE ODDS THAT SOMEBODY WOULD
9:53:46AM BUILD SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T MEET SETBACKS?
9:53:48AM [ LAUGHTER ]
9:53:49AM >> ALL THE TIME.
9:53:50AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: SO THOSE ARE STILL OUT THERE.
9:53:52AM THAT IS JUST SHOWING YOU OF THE TOTAL CHAPTER 5, WHICH WAS
9:53:56AM 583, 48% COMPLIED.
9:53:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: VERY GOOD.
9:53:59AM THANK YOU.
9:54:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:54:02AM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU ALL FOR DOING THIS.
9:54:04AM ON THIS SLIDE AND CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE OTHER ONE, PLEASE?
9:54:08AM ONE MORE.
9:54:08AM ON THESE, IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL IF WE HAD SOME KIND OF
9:54:14AM BREAKDOWN OF THEM SO WE COULD UNDERSTAND.
9:54:16AM PREVIOUS SLIDE, CHAPTER 5, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO FIGURE
9:54:19AM OUT ON BUILDING CASES, ARE THERE CERTAIN CATEGORIES OF
9:54:24AM THINGS, LIKE IF SOMEBODY BUILT A HOUSE ILLEGALLY, IT'S
9:54:28AM HARDER FOR THEM TO COMPLY.
9:54:29AM I WONDER IF THERE ARE CERTAIN KINDS OF CASES THAT WE COULD
9:54:32AM LEARN ABOUT FROM THE DATA THAT SHOWS PROPENSITY TO COMPLY,
9:54:37AM LIKE YOU SAID, IF SOMEBODY HASN'T MOWED THEIR LAWN, THAT'S
9:54:40AM EASY TO FIX.
9:54:41AM IF THEY BUILT A HOUSE IN THE WRONG WAY AND THE WHOLE THING
9:54:45AM IS ILLEGAL, THEN IT IS HARDER TO FIX.
9:54:47AM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAPTURE SUBCATEGORIES OR DATA, BUT THAT
9:54:51AM TO ME WOULD BE INTERESTING.
9:54:52AM THE SAME THING HERE.
9:54:54AM IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO FIND OUT WHY THESE ALL DROP OFF.
9:54:58AM DID THE MAJORITY OF THEM COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
9:55:01AM DID YOU FIND OUT FRIVOLOUS COMPLAINTS.
9:55:03AM DID THEY NOT RISE TO THE LEVEL OF BEING ACTUAL COMPLAINTS?
9:55:06AM WAS IT AN ANGRY NEIGHBOR OR SOMETHING?
9:55:08AM ALL THAT KIND OF DATA WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
9:55:12AM THE OTHER THING, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE
9:55:16AM OR NOT BUT I'LL THROW THIS OUT.
9:55:18AM WE'VE GOTTEN FEEDBACK FROM SEVERAL FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY.
9:55:21AM ONE OF THEM IS IN THE ROOM AND PROBABLY ASK THE QUESTIONS.
9:55:24AM I'LL THROW THEM OUT THERE.
9:55:25AM WE GET QUESTIONS ALL THE TIME FROM THE COMMUNITY.
9:55:28AM ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE GET, AS YOU SAID AT THE BEGINNING,
9:55:32AM ON ONE HAND WE GET COMPLAINTS THAT WE'RE -- THAT CODE
9:55:35AM ENFORCEMENT IS NOT ENFORCING ENOUGH.
9:55:37AM ON THE OTHER HAND WE GET COMPLAINTS THAT THEY ARE ENFORCING
9:55:39AM TOO MUCH.
9:55:39AM I HAVE THREE THINGS RELATED TO THAT.
9:55:43AM ONE IS, WHEN PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN UNFAIRLY
9:55:47AM TAGGED, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY SAY THE INVESTIGATORS ARE
9:55:53AM ARBITRARY AND THERE IS A LACK OF CONSISTENCY.
9:55:56AM CAN YOU TALK TO US FOR A MINUTE ABOUT HOW YOU MAKE SURE
9:55:59AM THERE'S CONSISTENCY WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT IN INVESTIGATING
9:56:02AM THESE?
9:56:04AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE
9:56:05AM LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
9:56:05AM CONSISTENCY IS YOU ARE EITHER IN VIOLATION OF THE CODE OR
9:56:09AM YOU'RE NOT.
9:56:10AM CONSISTENCY IS, WOULD YOU SEE A VIOLATION, YOU CONDUCT AN
9:56:16AM INVESTIGATION, YOU CITE THAT PERSON FOR A VIOLATION OF THE
9:56:19AM CODE AND YOU ENCOURAGE THEM TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE
9:56:22AM CODE.
9:56:22AM THAT'S CONSISTENCY.
9:56:23AM SO ARBITRARY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT -- I DON'T
9:56:28AM UNDERSTAND HOW THAT RELATES TO --
9:56:30AM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK IT COMES UP SOMETIMES WHEN, YOU
9:56:33AM KNOW, WE'VE SEEN CASES WHERE ONE NEIGHBOR IS TAGGED FOR
9:56:36AM SOMETHING AND THE NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR IS NOT TAGGED FOR
9:56:39AM SOMETHING.
9:56:40AM PEOPLE FEEL LIKE -- AND THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE.
9:56:43AM ANYWAY, ANYTHING THAT WE CAN LEARN ABOUT HOW YOU ALL ARE
9:56:49AM KEEPING IT CONSISTENT WOULD HELP EXPLAIN TO CONSTITUENTS.
9:56:52AM THE OTHER THING IS THE QUESTION ABOUT ZILLOW.
9:56:55AM IS IT LEGAL BY STATE LAW TO LOOK AT ZILLOW OR REALTOR.COM
9:56:59AM LISTINGS FOR THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE TO LOOK INSIDE
9:57:03AM BUILDINGS AND BACKYARDS TO SEE IF THEY ARE COMPLIANT OR NOT?
9:57:07AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: WE HAVE A SLIDE TO ADDRESS THAT.
9:57:09AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: YEAH, WE DON'T DO THAT, BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT
9:57:12AM WHAT WE USE AS OUR INVESTIGATIVE TOOLS.
9:57:16AM TYPICALLY EVEN WHEN WE BRING YOU REZONINGS, WE DO LOOK AT
9:57:18AM THE HISTORICAL STREET VIEW ON THINGS TO SEE WHAT WAS THERE.
9:57:22AM WHAT WAS THE USE THAT WAS THERE.
9:57:24AM THAT IS NOT OUR PRIMARY SOURCE.
9:57:27AM >>BILL CARLSON: IS ZILLOW LEGAL OR NOT LEGAL?
9:57:31AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: INVESTIGATIVE TOOL I BELIEVE IT IS LEGAL.
9:57:33AM >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT ABOUT DRONES?
9:57:35AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: WE DON'T HAVE DRONES.
9:57:36AM >>BILL CARLSON: ARE YOU ALLOWED TO USE THEM?
9:57:39AM LEGAL OR NOT LEGAL?
9:57:42AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: THAT IS NOT A TOOL WE HAVE.
9:57:44AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: IF YOU GO ON AN AERIAL TODAY AND YOU SEE
9:57:46AM THAT THE HOUSE HAS AN ADDITION THAT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO
9:57:50AM THE PROPERTY LINE AND YOU GO ON GOOGLE EARTH AND GO BACK TO
9:57:53AM 2019 AND IT DIDN'T, CLEARLY, THERE WAS A CHANGE.
9:57:59AM WE DON'T GO IN BACKYARDS.
9:58:00AM LET ME LET KEITH AND JC FINISH BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY DO
9:58:03AM THAT.
9:58:04AM AND WE BROUGHT YOU SOME PICTURES TODAY TO SHOW YOU WHAT --
9:58:08AM >>BILL CARLSON: FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, YOU ARE NOT
9:58:10AM ALLOWED TO WALK INTO SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD.
9:58:12AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: WITHOUT PERMISSION, NO.
9:58:14AM >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT ABOUT LOOK OVER SOMEBODY'S FENCE?
9:58:16AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: WITHOUT PERMISSION, NO, YOU DO NOT.
9:58:19AM >> BUT YOU CAN LOOK AT GOOGLE EARTH AND YOU CAN LOOK AT
9:58:19AM ZILLOW.
9:58:21AM YOU CAN LOOK AT REALTOR.COM.
9:58:21AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: YOU CAN LOOK AT WHATEVER PUBLIC
9:58:24AM PLATFORM IS AVAILABLE, YES.
9:58:25AM >>BILL CARLSON: WE GET ASKED THAT ALL THE TIME SO WE NEED TO
9:58:29AM KNOW THE ANSWER TO IT.
9:58:30AM MAYBE YOU'LL BRING IT UP LATER, THERE IS AT LEAST ONE
9:58:32AM ALLEGATION LIKE 80 OR 90 CODE ENFORCEMENT COMPLAINTS MADE
9:58:36AM WITH SOMEBODY'S NAME.
9:58:37AM HE WAS VERY UPSET THAT HIS NAME WAS ILLEGALLY USED.
9:58:41AM I KNOW THAT STATE LAW NOW REQUIRES PEOPLE TO PUT NAMES.
9:58:44AM HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT SOMEBODY'S NAME IS NOT ILLEGALLY
9:58:47AM USED TO FILE COMPLAINTS?
9:58:49AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, MR. HUDGISON
9:58:51AM ADDRESSED THAT ISSUE SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.
9:58:55AM ON THIS SLIDE, THE LEGISLATURE REQUIRES A NAME AND AN
9:58:59AM ADDRESS.
9:58:59AM THERE'S NO PROVISION IN THE FLORIDA STATUTE OR IN OUR CODE
9:59:02AM FOR STAFF TO INVESTIGATE THE INVESTIGATOR.
9:59:05AM IF SOMEONE SAYS I DIDN'T FILE THAT COMPLAINT, WELL, IT IS ON
9:59:11AM THE DEPARTMENT AND STAFF TO INVESTIGATE THE COMPLAINT TO
9:59:15AM DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS, IN FACT, A VIOLATION OF
9:59:17AM OUR CODE.
9:59:17AM IF THERE IS A VIOLATION OF OUR CODE, IT'S THE DUTY AND THEIR
9:59:21AM OBLIGATION TO ENFORCE OUR CODE TO ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC TO
9:59:26AM COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
9:59:27AM BUT THERE'S NO OBLIGATION FROM THE FLORIDA STATUTE OR OUR
9:59:31AM CODE FOR OUR STAFF TO INVESTIGATE THE INVESTIGATOR.
9:59:35AM >>BILL CARLSON: OKAY.
9:59:36AM THANK YOU.
9:59:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: COUNCILMAN CARLSON IS TALKING ABOUT,
9:59:42AM UNDER THE PUBLIC COMPLAINTS IN 2022, IT WAS 4,690.
9:59:45AM UNDER THE PROGRESSIVE INVESTIGATION IT WAS 12,034.
9:59:51AM WHEN YOU COMPARE TO '23, IT TELLS A STORY THAT IS REALLY
9:59:55AM EYE-POPPING.
9:59:56AM THE PUBLIC COMPLAINTS WENT UP BY ROUGHLY HUNDRED AND
9:59:59AM SOMETHING.
9:59:59AM BUT THE PROGRESSIVE INVESTIGATION WENT UP BY 4,117.
10:00:03AM SO THAT IS A PLUS THAT YOU ARE REALLY DOING SOMETHING
10:00:08AM BECAUSE WENT UP ONE-THIRD OF IT.
10:00:10AM CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES IN THE BOTTOM YOU HAVE 877 VERSUS
10:00:14AM 665 OR, I DON'T KNOW, 212 OR SO DECREASE.
10:00:19AM SO THAT MEANS YOU'VE DONE BETTER IN THE DECREASING OF
10:00:22AM FINDING THE FACTS AND RESOLVING THE FACTS OF WHATEVER
10:00:27AM INVESTIGATION WAS BETWEEN '22 AND 2023.
10:00:30AM YOU'VE DONE YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AS FAR AS PROGRESSIVELY
10:00:35AM GETTING MORE AND SOLVING MORE AT THE SAME TIME.
10:00:37AM I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.
10:00:41AM THAT'S A LOT OF WORK FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE BECAUSE NOT ONLY IS
10:00:44AM IT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND OTHER
10:00:46AM DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THESE THINGS.
10:00:48AM I UNDERSTAND THEY TAKE TIME.
10:00:50AM BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY IS JUST MOVING SO
10:00:54AM RAPIDLY AND YOU SAID YOU HAD -- HOW MUCH?
10:00:58AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: 137,000 PARCELS.
10:01:01AM THE OTHER THING YOU MAY REMEMBER IS WE RUN ABOUT 23,000
10:01:04AM PERMITS A YEAR IN THE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES CENTER.
10:01:09AM 23,000 TOTAL PERMITS WE AVERAGE OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS
10:01:15AM EACH YEAR.
10:01:16AM YOU COMBINE THAT WITH THE COMPLAINTS AND THE OTHER ACTIVITY
10:01:19AM TO SEE THAT OUT OF 23,000 PERMITS, WE'RE ONLY AT THIS
10:01:23AM PERCENTAGE OF COMPLAINTS SECTION.
10:01:26AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: RUN 23,000 PERMITS BEGINNING -- I DON'T
10:01:29AM KNOW THIS.
10:01:30AM MAYBE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS DO.
10:01:31AM WHEN YOU GET A PERMIT APPLICANT COME IN, DO YOU VERIFY THAT
10:01:36AM THE PROPERTY OWNER IS THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT IS BEFORE YOU
10:01:38AM OR THE CONSTRUCTION WORKER, WHOEVER IS GETTING THE PERMIT TO
10:01:41AM MAKE SURE IT'S NOT A RENTAL HOUSE?
10:01:46AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF PERMITS YOU
10:01:49AM CAN PULL.
10:01:50AM AN OWNER/BUILDER PERMIT.
10:01:52AM IF YOU ARE NOT THE OWNER AND YOU ARE NOT OCCUPYING, YOU MAY
10:01:54AM NOT PULL AN OWNER-BUILDER PERMIT.
10:01:57AM IF THE PROPERTY IS NOT HOMESTEADED, MAY NOT PULL AN
10:02:01AM OWNER-BUILDER PERMIT.
10:02:02AM IF YOU ARE DOING OTHER WORK AND YOU ARE NOT, THEN IT IS
10:02:04AM PULLED BY A GC.
10:02:07AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IT GETS DEEPER AND DEEPER, BUT I
10:02:09AM UNDERSTAND.
10:02:12AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: OKAY.
10:02:12AM I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO JC AND KEITH TO WALK YOU
10:02:17AM THROUGH WHAT THEIR TEAMS USE AS THEIR INVESTIGATIVE
10:02:21AM PROCESSES AND STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES.
10:02:31AM >> KEITH O'CONNOR, DIRECTOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD ENHANCEMENT.
10:02:34AM TO TOUCH ON A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I SEE YOU HAVE QUESTIONS
10:02:37AM ON BEFORE I GO INTO OUR INVESTIGATIVE TECHNIQUES.
10:02:39AM IT'S JUST THREE THINGS UP HERE.
10:02:41AM JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
10:02:46AM THE CODE ENFORCEMENT IS DIVIDED INTO SIX DISTRICTS
10:02:50AM THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
10:02:51AM EACH DISTRICT HAS A DISTRICT SUPERVISOR AND CODE INSPECTORS
10:02:54AM ASSIGNED TO THAT DISTRICT.
10:02:56AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU ASKED ABOUT HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT
10:03:00AM WE'RE SPREADING THE WEALTH EQUALLY?
10:03:02AM WELL, THAT'S HOW WE DO IT PER DISTRICT AND THEN EACH CODE
10:03:06AM INSPECTOR ASSIGNED TO THAT DISTRICT, THEY HAVE AN OBLIGATION
10:03:10AM TO PATROL AND LOOK FOR VIOLATIONS IN THAT DISTRICT.
10:03:12AM DIRECT OBSERVATION IS WHAT WE CALL PROACTIVE.
10:03:19AM EVIDENCE OBTAINED FROM THE PUBLIC, THOSE ARE THE COMPLAINTS.
10:03:23AM THEY ATTACK THE COMPLAINTS FIRST.
10:03:25AM IF YOU ARE A CODE INSPECTOR, YOU HAVE A QUEUE, AND EACH DAY
10:03:28AM IT WILL GET LOADED WITH ADDITIONAL COMPLAINTS.
10:03:30AM THEY HAVE SEVEN DAYS TO TOUCH THAT COMPLAINT.
10:03:33AM WHILE THEY ARE DOING THAT, OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU GO DOWN A
10:03:36AM STREET AND GOING TO LOOK AT A PARTICULAR LOCATION, IF YOU
10:03:38AM SEE OTHER VIOLATIONS, YOU CAN MAKE A PROACTIVE COMPLAINT.
10:03:42AM BECAUSE OF THE NEW LAW, THERE ARE CERTAIN CODE VIOLATIONS
10:03:46AM THAT YOU WOULD NEED A COMPLAINANT ON.
10:03:48AM IF YOU DON'T HAVE A COMPLAINANT, IF YOU ARE AT ONE HOUSE AND
10:03:51AM THE CODE INSPECTOR IS TELLING YOU YOU HAVE A VIOLATION AND
10:03:53AM YOU'RE WONDERING WHAT ABOUT MY NEIGHBOR DOWN THE BLOCK,
10:03:56AM WELL, THAT MIGHT BE A SITUATION WHERE WE DIDN'T GET A
10:03:58AM COMPLAINT ON THAT AND WE CAN'T GO TO THAT ONE WITHOUT THE
10:04:01AM COMPLAINANT.
10:04:01AM SO I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THAT UP.
10:04:03AM THOSE ARE THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF INVESTIGATIVE TOOLS WE USE.
10:04:10AM EVERYTHING THAT IS ON PUBLIC RECORD IS AVAILABLE TO OUR
10:04:14AM INSPECTORS, AND NOT ONLY -- YOU SHOULD USE EVERYTHING
10:04:17AM AVAILABLE TO YOU TO MAKE YOUR CASE.
10:04:21AM SO THAT PART IS LEGAL.
10:04:23AM THE OTHER THING THAT ABBYE ALREADY TOUCHED ON, WHICH IS VERY
10:04:26AM IMPORTANT, BECAUSE I KNOW IT GETS CONFUSING, MY TEAM HANDLES
10:04:30AM AFTER THE PERMITTING PROCESS IS OVER.
10:04:32AM ONCE YOUR CONSTRUCTION IS DONE, IF YOU BUILT A NEW HOUSE AND
10:04:35AM GET A CO, NOW THE CODE SAYS YOU NEED TO MAINTAIN IT AND MY
10:04:39AM TEAM WILL COME IN IF IT DOES FALL INTO DISREPAIR OR ANYTHING
10:04:43AM LIKE THAT.
10:04:44AM THE MAJORITY OF THE HOUSES AND PARCELS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
10:04:49AM THEY ARE CODE COMPLIANT ON THEIR OWN.
10:04:51AM SO ONE OF THE BEST TAKEAWAYS FROM THESE NUMBERS, IF YOU LOOK
10:04:55AM AT IT THAT WAY, IS THE CITIZENS ARE MAINTAINING THEIR
10:04:58AM PROPERTY.
10:04:58AM AND THEN IF IT DOES FALL IN VIOLATION AND WE ALERT THEM TO
10:05:02AM THAT, 63% OF THEM GET INTO COMPLIANCE ON THEIR OWN.
10:05:06AM THEY DO THAT ON THEIR OWN BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH CITY
10:05:10AM STAFF TO POLICE EVERY VIOLATION IN THE WHOLE CITY.
10:05:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, YOU HAVE A
10:05:14AM QUESTION, SIR?
10:05:15AM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH.
10:05:16AM ON THE -- YOU SAID THAT THERE WERE SOME -- SORRY, WON'T GET
10:05:21AM THE WORDS EXACTLY RIGHT -- BUT SOME VIOLATIONS THAT CAN ONLY
10:05:24AM BE INITIATED BY A COMPLAINT, RIGHT, AND NOT BY THE
10:05:30AM INSPECTOR.
10:05:31AM DID I HEAR THAT RIGHT?
10:05:31AM IF YOUR INSPECTOR IS DRIVING AROUND, THERE ARE CERTAIN KINDS
10:05:35AM OF THINGS THAT THEY CANNOT INITIATE ON THEIR OWN.
10:05:38AM IT HAS TO BE FROM A COMPLAINT?
10:05:40AM >> THE WAY THE LAW READS, IF I'M AN INSPECTOR AND DRIVING
10:05:43AM AROUND AND I CAN LOOK FROM THE ROAD FROM WHERE I AM LEGALLY
10:05:46AM ALLOWED TO BE AND SEE THAT I KNOW THAT IS A VIOLATION, I CAN
10:05:50AM OPEN THAT CASE.
10:05:51AM BUT IF I'M NOT SURE, IF I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S ZONED FOR THAT
10:05:54AM OR PERMITTED FOR THAT, IF I HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE TO GET
10:05:57AM THAT ANSWER, I NEED A COMPLAINANT.
10:06:00AM AND THEN THE OTHER EXCEPTION IS LIFE SAFETY.
10:06:03AM IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS HAZARDOUS, THEY CAN DO IT.
10:06:08AM >>BILL CARLSON: IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THAT, THAT
10:06:11AM WOULD BE HELPFUL WHEN WE'RE SPEAKING TO NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS
10:06:13AM TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE OF THAT.
10:06:15AM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE TOOLS THAT WE CAN HELP EXPLAIN
10:06:18AM THAT.
10:06:20AM >> YOU CAN'T BE ANONYMOUS TO MAKE A COMPLAINT.
10:06:22AM IF THEY GIVE THE COMPLAINT --
10:06:24AM >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT I MEAN IS THE TYPE OF COMPLAINTS.
10:06:27AM PEOPLE SAY --
10:06:27AM >> THEY CAN MAKE THE COMPLAINT.
10:06:29AM IF WE CAN DEAL WITH IT, WE'LL DEAL WITH IT.
10:06:32AM >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT I MEAN IF SOMEBODY SAYS, WHY IS NO
10:06:36AM INSPECTOR ALREADY TAG THIS HOUSE, IT COULD BE BECAUSE OF
10:06:41AM WHAT YOU JUST SAID, THE INSPECTOR DIDN'T SEE IT.
10:06:44AM A NEIGHBOR HAS TO COMPLAIN.
10:06:45AM IF THE NEIGHBORS KNOW THERE ARE CERTAIN TYPES OF THINGS
10:06:48AM INSPECTORS CAN'T FLAG ON THEIR OWN, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL
10:06:50AM FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TO KNOW.
10:06:51AM >> YEAH, WE GO OVER THAT EVERY TIME WE GO OUT TO ONE.
10:06:56AM IT IS CONFUSING, BUT WE TRY TO EXPLAIN.
10:06:59AM >>BILL CARLSON: I SHOULD ALSO SAY FROM CONSTITUENTS I'VE HAD
10:07:02AM A LOT OF VERY COMPLICATED CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES AND EVERY
10:07:04AM TIME I SEND YOU ONE, YOUR TEAM JUMPS ON IT AND HANDLES IT
10:07:08AM VERY WELL, SO THANK YOU.
10:07:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:07:10AM GO AHEAD.
10:07:12AM >> I'LL TURN IT OVER TO JC.
10:07:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
10:07:14AM YES, SIR.
10:07:15AM >>JC HUDGISON: GOING BACK TO SOME OF THE DATA, THE REASON WE
10:07:21AM DID IT THE LAST TWO YEARS, THAT'S WHEN THE SUBCATEGORIES
10:07:23AM THAT, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WHEN WE STARTED TO DO THAT.
10:07:26AM BEFORE THAT, KEITH HANDLED ALL OF THE COMPLAINTS, WHETHER
10:07:30AM VIOLATION OF EXISTING CONSTRUCTION AND EVERYTHING.
10:07:31AM SO WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION COMPLIANCE TEAM WAS PUT TOGETHER IN
10:07:34AM FEBRUARY OF '22, THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED TO REALLY LOOK AT
10:07:37AM THE SUBCATEGORIES AND SEPARATE THOSE AREAS.
10:07:39AM SO WHEN -- YOU KNOW, SIMILAR TO CAMARIA MAKING THE COMMENTS
10:07:44AM ABOUT WORK WITHOUT PERMIT.
10:07:45AM THAT'S HOW WE CITE IT.
10:07:47AM WORK IS DONE WITHOUT PERMIT.
10:07:49AM THAT IS THE SECTION OF THE CODE THAT YOU'RE VIOLATING AND
10:07:52AM THEN THERE IS DISCRETION AS WE GO INTO FIGURING OUT HOW TO
10:07:57AM MAKE THAT INTO COMPLIANCE.
10:07:58AM INVESTIGATIVE TECHNIQUES, AS KEITH MENTIONED, THESE ARE THE
10:08:01AM THINGS WE TAKE FROM THE COMPLAINANT.
10:08:02AM WE GO BY, WE HAVE TO GET CONSENT.
10:08:05AM WE DON'T JUST PEEK IN WINDOWS AND DO THINGS LIKE THAT.
10:08:08AM WE HAVE TO BE GIVEN CONSENT.
10:08:10AM SOMETIMES WE HAVE FLIPPERS THAT WE SAY, HEY, CAN WE COME IN?
10:08:14AM THEY OPEN THE DOOR AND WE WALK RIGHT IN.
10:08:16AM I HAVE SOME PHOTOS TO SHOW SHORTLY PROJECTS WE HAVE GONE TO.
10:08:22AM WE WERE GIVEN CONSENT TO SEE THINGS AND BE ON THE PROPERTY.
10:08:26AM ONCE WE HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT, WE'RE ALSO ALLOWED TO BE ON
10:08:29AM THE PROPERTY.
10:08:30AM WE HAVE TO INVESTIGATE AND MAKE SURE THINGS ARE INSTALLED
10:08:33AM CORRECTLY TO THE CODE.
10:08:34AM TWO COMMENTS ON GOING BACK TO THE ZILLOW ISSUE.
10:08:37AM THAT IS PUBLIC INFORMATION, BUT WE DO NOT -- YOU KNOW, WE
10:08:41AM MADE THAT A POLICY TO NOT INITIATE BASED OFF OF JUST ZILLOW.
10:08:45AM WE CAN USE IT TO MAKE THE CASE ONCE WE GO TO MAGISTRATE, BUT
10:08:48AM THAT'S NOT WHAT IS INITIATING THE VIOLATION.
10:08:50AM OUR STAFF HAS TO GO OUT THERE AND SEE THE VIOLATION.
10:08:52AM THESE ARE A FEW WE WANTED TO SHOW WITH YOU ABOUT THE
10:08:58AM PROACTIVE STUFF WE DO SEE.
10:09:00AM STAFF IS GOING TO AN INSPECTION, RIDING BY.
10:09:02AM WE TRY TO MAKE SURE NOT TO PUT ANY ADDRESSES ON HERE, BUT
10:09:05AM IDEALLY THESE ARE THE TYPE OF PROJECTS THAT WE SEE.
10:09:08AM AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS A WHOLE SECOND STORY BEING ADDED TO
10:09:11AM A SINGLE-STORY STRUCTURE.
10:09:13AM THESE ARE THE THINGS WE'RE SEEING.
10:09:14AM THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING OUT AND REACTING TO.
10:09:17AM OBVIOUSLY, WORRIED ABOUT ROOF LOAD.
10:09:19AM YOU CAN SEE THE STAIRS TO THE SIDE THERE AREN'T CODE
10:09:23AM COMPLIANT.
10:09:24AM THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE SEEING ON A DAILY BASIS.
10:09:28AM THIS IS ANOTHER ONE.
10:09:29AM TYPICALLY, IF WE SEE A DUMPSTER OR WE SEE SOMETHING OUT IN
10:09:32AM FRONT OF A PROPERTY, WE'RE GOING TO STOP.
10:09:34AM IDEALLY WE'RE SAYING, DO WE SEE A PLACARD?
10:09:39AM REGARDLESS OF ANY DESTRUCTION, ANY ALTERATION TO A
10:09:43AM STRUCTURE, YOU SHOULD HAVE A PERMIT ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
10:09:46AM ONCE AGAIN, WE ASK, CAN WE COME IN?
10:09:48AM GUY LETS US RIGHT IN.
10:09:50AM THESE ARE THE THINGS WE'RE SEEING ON SITES.
10:09:53AM ONCE AGAIN, DUMPSTER OUT IN FRONT, STAFF WILL ASK THE
10:09:55AM QUESTION.
10:09:56AM THIS ONE, WE WERE ON-SITE FOR ONE TYPE OF PERMIT BUT IT WAS
10:09:59AM BEYOND THE SCOPE.
10:10:00AM WE CAME IN AND IT WAS ONLY FOR A PLUMBING PERMIT AND THEN
10:10:03AM OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN SEE ADDITIONAL WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE.
10:10:06AM FINALLY, THIS ONE, WE HAVE A WHOLE BUILDING, A WHOLE
10:10:09AM BUILDING WAS BUILT, SITE CLEARED, EVERYTHING KNOCKED OUT,
10:10:12AM WHOLE BUILDING WAS BUILT WITHOUT A PERMIT.
10:10:15AM IDEALLY, A LOT OF THESE WE DO DEAL WITH, AND THEY ARE FAIRLY
10:10:19AM NUANCED AND WE HAVE TO GO TO MAGISTRATE BUT WE SEE ISSUES
10:10:22AM LIKE THIS AND PROPERTIES LIKE THIS JUST BEING BUILT, PERIOD.
10:10:25AM WE LOOK AT GOING TO MAGISTRATE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT'S
10:10:30AM WHY THE DATES TAKE A LITTLE LONGER BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO
10:10:33AM FIGURE OUT -- THIS PERSON HAS BUILT THIS.
10:10:36AM BUILT INCORRECTLY.
10:10:37AM SETBACKS MAY NOT BE RIGHT.
10:10:38AM ALL OF THE TYPE OF BUILDING CODE, FIRE CODE THINGS THAT WE
10:10:41AM NEED TO RESOLVE, AND DOES IT BENEFIT US TO RUSH IT TO
10:10:45AM MAGISTRATE?
10:10:46AM NO.
10:10:47AM WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT NEED TO BE
10:10:49AM RESOLVED.
10:10:49AM MEETING WITH THE ENGINEER, CIVIL ENGINEER, ARCHITECTS, TO
10:10:52AM TRY TO GET THIS INTO COMPLIANCE.
10:10:54AM THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH ON A DAILY
10:10:57AM BASIS.
10:10:57AM OUR NEXT STEPS, SO WE WOULD LIKE -- JUST KIND OF KEEPING THE
10:11:06AM PROCESS AS IS.
10:11:07AM LIKE I SAID, WE WANTED TO PRESENT EVERYTHING TO YOU ALL
10:11:10AM COMPREHENSIVELY HERE AS BROUGHT UP A FEW TIMES, MEETING WITH
10:11:16AM THE TAMPA REALTORS TO CONDUCT INFORMATION SESSIONS ABOUT THE
10:11:19AM PERMITTING PROCESS, WHERE TO FIND THE INFORMATION.
10:11:21AM WHERE IT IS ON ACCELA.
10:11:23AM PEOPLE DON'T USE ACCELA THAT OFTEN UNLESS YOU'RE BUILDING.
10:11:27AM IDEALLY PROVIDING THAT INFORMATION TO THEM AND HOPEFULLY
10:11:29AM SHOWING THEM WHAT WE SEE AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
10:11:32AM AND THEN KIND OF, AS ABBYE MENTIONED, ABOUT BEST PRACTICES.
10:11:35AM REACHING OUT TO OTHER BUILDING DEPARTMENTS, OTHER CITIES TO
10:11:37AM SEE WHAT THEY ARE DOING IN DEALING WITH ILLEGAL
10:11:41AM CONSTRUCTION.
10:11:41AM KIND OF WHERE THE LEON COUNTY IDEA CAME FROM BECAUSE WE
10:11:44AM TALKED TO ANOTHER JURISDICTION.
10:11:45AM THEY SAY, HEY, WE HAVE ALL OF OUR INFORMATION AT THE
10:11:48AM PROPERTY APPRAISER SITE SO YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO GO TO
10:11:50AM ACCELA, GO TO THE OTHER SITE, EVERYTHING IS IN ONE PLACE.
10:11:54AM IF YOU WANT INFORMATION ON YOUR PROPERTY, YOU CAN FIND ALL
10:11:57AM OF THOSE THINGS.
10:12:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THIS JUST ONE OF THE PowerPoints?
10:12:02AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THIS IS IT.
10:12:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FOR ONE, TWO, AND THREE?
10:12:06AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: YES, WE COMBINED EVERYTHING TOGETHER TO
10:12:09AM PROVIDE YOU WITH THAT.
10:12:10AM ONE THING I DID WANT TO TOUCH ON, JC WAS JUST ELECTED AS
10:12:14AM PRESIDENT OF THE SUNCOAST CHAPTER OF THE BUILDING OFFICIALS
10:12:15AM OF FLORIDA.
10:12:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CONGRATULATIONS.
10:12:18AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THAT'S VERY LARGE AND IN CHARGE FOR HIS
10:12:21AM ROLE.
10:12:22AM AND THAT IS ONE THING, WHEN HE TOUCHED ON THE END, THE BEST
10:12:26AM PRACTICES, WHEN YOU ALL RAISE THINGS TO US AND WE KNOW HOW
10:12:28AM WE'RE DOING THEM AND WE LOOK AT -- AND THOSE PROCESSES,
10:12:33AM WE'RE CONTINUALLY LOOKING AT THOSE TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS.
10:12:35AM BUT WE DO REACH OUT THROUGH ENTITIES TO SEE WHAT OTHER LOCAL
10:12:43AM GOVERNMENTS ARE DOING, HOW THEY RUN THEIR CODE ENFORCEMENT.
10:12:45AM AND IN RELATIONSHIP TO REACHING OUT TO G-TAR, WE ARE IN THE
10:12:48AM PROCESS OF THAT.
10:12:49AM WE'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH OTHER BUILDING OFFICIALS WHO DO
10:12:52AM GO OUT TO THE REAL ESTATE COMMUNITY.
10:12:55AM THEY DO TELL THEM WHAT ARE RED FLAGS, WHAT NEED PERMITS,
10:12:58AM WHAT DON'T NEED PERMITS.
10:13:00AM WE HAVE OUR WEBSITE THAT TELLS YOU WHEN I NEED A PERMIT,
10:13:02AM WHEN I DON'T NEED A PERMIT.
10:13:04AM WHAT I CAN DO WITHOUT A PERMIT.
10:13:05AM WHEN I NEED TO COME IN AND GET A PERMIT.
10:13:07AM SO WE HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION WE SHARED WITH YOU TODAY AND
10:13:12AM THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION.
10:13:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO THE BULLET POINTS I SAW WAS NO
10:13:17AM RECOMMENDATION OR ACTION FOR THE INSPECTION PROCESS OR THE
10:13:21AM COMPLAINT PROCESS.
10:13:21AM BUT THE SECOND SAID THAT YOU WOULD THEN REACH OUT TO THE
10:13:27AM REALTORS ASSOCIATION TO, I GUESS, BRAINSTORM FOR DIFFERENT
10:13:32AM IDEAS.
10:13:32AM THE THIRD BULLET POINT, I DON'T REMEMBER.
10:13:35AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THAT WAS LOOKING AT BEST PRACTICES.
10:13:37AM THAT WAS US STARTING TO WORK WITH MR. HENRIQUEZ ON LOOKING
10:13:42AM AT WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD AMEND THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
10:13:45AM PROPERTY APPRAISERS TO LINK INTO ACCELA FOR THOSE BUILDING
10:13:49AM PERMIT RECORDS.
10:13:50AM WHAT WOULD THAT INTERFACE BE?
10:13:51AM WE DIDN'T WANT TO -- LIKE I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, I DON'T
10:13:54AM WANT TO COMMIT TO YOU.
10:13:55AM WE'RE JUST HAVING THAT DISCUSSION.
10:13:57AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS COST-WISE FOR US OR FOR THE
10:13:59AM COUNTY.
10:14:00AM I DON'T KNOW SOME OF THOSE OTHER VARIABLES, BUT WE'RE
10:14:04AM COMMITTED TO CONTINUING TO IMPROVE THE TOOLS AVAILABLE AND
10:14:06AM TO ALSO COMMUNICATE WITH THOSE TOOLS ARE THAT ARE AVAILABLE
10:14:10AM TO HOMEOWNERS, BUYERS, SELLERS.
10:14:13AM YOU CAN STILL GO INTO ACCELA.
10:14:15AM I KNOW WE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH THE SEARCH BAR BEFORE -- THE
10:14:20AM SEARCH BAR IS UP AND RUNNING.
10:14:21AM IF YOU POP AN ADDRESS INTO THE SEARCH BAR TODAY, JUST LIKE
10:14:24AM GOING INTO GOOGLE, YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THE PERMIT ACTIVITY.
10:14:27AM YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITY ON THAT
10:14:31AM PROPERTY.
10:14:31AM SO YOU CAN PULL UP ANY PROPERTY AND SEE, DID IT HAVE A CMP?
10:14:36AM THOSE ARE THE COMPLAINTS, JUST CAME IN.
10:14:38AM DID IT HAVE A COD?
10:14:39AM THAT IS AN ACTUAL CODE CASE.
10:14:41AM IS THAT COD OPEN?
10:14:42AM CLOSED?
10:14:43AM IN PROCESS?
10:14:44AM WHAT HAPPENED TO IT?
10:14:45AM YOU CLICK ON, IT WILL TELL YOU THAT WAS A CODE VIOLATION FOR
10:14:49AM WORK WITHOUT A PERMIT OR THAT WAS A CODE VIOLATION FOR
10:14:52AM PROPERTY ACCUMULATION.
10:14:53AM IT WAS RESOLVED.
10:14:54AM THE PROPERTY OWNER MOWED THE LAWN.
10:14:56AM SO ALL OF THAT INFORMATION IS IN THAT TOOL.
10:15:01AM WE'RE JUST NOT SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THE TOOL IS OUT
10:15:06AM THERE AND HOW TO USE THE TOOL.
10:15:07AM WE'LL CONTINUE WORKING ON BEST PRACTICES TO KEEP THAT
10:15:09AM INFORMATION FLOWING.
10:15:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND COUNCILMAN
10:15:11AM MIRANDA.
10:15:12AM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU ALL FOR THE PRESENTATION.
10:15:14AM THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THIS.
10:15:21AM FOLKS WANT CODE ENFORCEMENT TO GO IN AND CLEAN UP SITES THAT
10:15:25AM SOME OF THEM ARE REALLY BAD HOUSING OR ABANDONED.
10:15:27AM SOME HAVE ILLEGAL STRUCTURES AND OTHERS.
10:15:29AM YOU ALL HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT.
10:15:31AM THE OTHER THING IS THAT WE KIND OF HINTED AROUND IS THAT
10:15:34AM WE'VE HAD CASES COME UP WITHOUT MENTIONING ANY SPECIFIC
10:15:37AM CASES, WE'VE HAD CASES COME UP WHERE PEOPLE ARE SUDDENLY
10:15:41AM TAGGED BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN ILLEGAL ADU OR WHATEVER
10:15:44AM STRUCTURE AND THEY SAY, WELL, IT'S NOT MY FAULT.
10:15:46AM I BOUGHT IT THIS WAY AND BEEN THERE FOR 80 YEARS AND IT'S
10:15:50AM NOT FAIR.
10:15:51AM I PAID FOR IT.
10:15:52AM WHY ARE YOU MAKING ME TEAR IT DOWN?
10:15:54AM WE ARE IN A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION.
10:15:55AM I THINK MY GOAL IN THAT CASE WOULD BE TO MAKE SURE THAT
10:15:58AM NOBODY IS EVER ABLE TO SAY THAT AGAIN.
10:16:01AM I DON'T KNOW IF WHEN YOU'RE TALKING TO THE REALTORS IF IT'S
10:16:04AM POSSIBLE TO ASK THEM, AT LEAST THE BUYER'S AGENT TO SUBMIT A
10:16:08AM PIECE OF PAPER WITH INFORMATION ABOUT HOW TO ACCESS ACCELA
10:16:11AM AND GET THAT INFORMATION.
10:16:12AM HERE'S HOW TO DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE FROM A CITY OF TAMPA
10:16:16AM POINT OF VIEW.
10:16:16AM ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE SURE NOBODY SAYS, I BOUGHT IT AND
10:16:21AM HAD NO IDEA.
10:16:22AM THE SECOND THING THAT WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT, AND I DON'T KNOW
10:16:25AM IF THIS IS STILL ACTIVE, BUT THERE WERE ISSUES YEARS AGO
10:16:29AM BEFORE I GOT ON COUNCIL AND BEFORE THIS ADMINISTRATION,
10:16:32AM WHERE -- TRYING NOT TO MENTION DETAILS -- BUT CASES WHERE BY
10:16:39AM EXECUTIVE ORDER A MAYOR WAIVED CODE ENFORCEMENT FINES.
10:16:43AM AND THERE WAS AT LEAST ONE CASE IN SOUTH TAMPA WHERE FOLKS
10:16:47AM WERE VERY, VERY UPSET ABOUT IT.
10:16:49AM CASE IN EAST TAMPA WHERE SOMEBODY WAS UPSET THEY DIDN'T GET
10:16:52AM WAIVED.
10:16:53AM IS IT STILL POSSIBLE TO WAIVE FINES BY EXECUTIVE ORDER?
10:16:56AM HOW OFTEN DOES THAT HAPPEN?
10:16:57AM AND HOW COULD WE PROVIDE SOME TRANSPARENCY INTO THAT?
10:17:01AM CITY COUNCIL I PRESUME DOES NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT.
10:17:04AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE
10:17:05AM LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
10:17:06AM THE EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT WAS SIGNED BY THE MAYOR, I BELIEVE
10:17:10AM IT WAS 2022, THERE IS NO PROVISION IN THE EXECUTIVE ORDER TO
10:17:14AM WAIVE FINES.
10:17:15AM >>BILL CARLSON: THIS MAYOR CLOSED THAT LOOPHOLE?
10:17:19AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: I DON'T KNOW WHAT LOOPHOLE YOU'RE
10:17:20AM TALKING ABOUT PREVIOUSLY.
10:17:21AM I'M TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE.
10:17:23AM THERE IS NO PROVISION TO WAIVE ANY CODE ENFORCEMENT FINES.
10:17:25AM >>BILL CARLSON: OKAY.
10:17:26AM GREAT.
10:17:27AM THANK YOU.
10:17:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:17:29AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. CARLSON SPOKE EXACTLY WHAT I WAS
10:17:31AM GOING TO TALK ABOUT.
10:17:33AM SOMETIMES THE PARTY LIVING IN THE DWELLING THAT WE FIND TO
10:17:36AM BE WITHOUT COMPLIANCE, THAT PARTY DIDN'T DO IT.
10:17:39AM IT WAS A PARTY THAT HE BOUGHT THE HOUSE FROM OR EVEN GO BACK
10:17:43AM TWO SALES LATER, BEFORE THAT, THAT 15 YEARS AGO SOMEBODY DID
10:17:48AM IT.
10:17:48AM GUY BOUGHT THE HOUSE TEN YEARS AGO, DIDN'T KNOW.
10:17:51AM HE OR SHE BOUGHT THE HOUSE.
10:17:53AM NOW THE HOUSE IS SOLD TO THIRD PARTY AND THAT IS THE ONE WE
10:17:55AM CATCH INNOCENTLY THAT HE SAID I BOUGHT THE HOUSE THE WAY IT
10:17:59AM IS.
10:18:00AM IN MY MIND I BELIEVE THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CODE VIOLATIONS.
10:18:03AM THE WHOLE THING ABOUT CODE ENFORCEMENT IS NOT ABOUT
10:18:07AM EXORBITANT FEES BEING COLLECTED.
10:18:09AM IT IS ABOUT MAKING THE PROCESS OF THAT BUILDING COME INTO
10:18:12AM COMPLIANCE.
10:18:12AM THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE GOAL.
10:18:14AM MONEY AND SO FORTH IS SECONDARY.
10:18:15AM BUT WE WANT THE BUILDING TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
10:18:19AM IF IT IS A $10,000 PENALTY AND SET IT FOR A THOUSAND.
10:18:22AM LISTEN, I WANT THE COMPLIANCE.
10:18:23AM I WANT THE PEOPLE TO BE SAFE AND HAVE THE PEOPLE LIVE A
10:18:26AM HAPPY LIFE.
10:18:26AM BUT 99%, AT LEAST 50%, ONES WE'RE GOING AFTER, THEY NEVER
10:18:32AM KNEW WHAT THEY HAD.
10:18:33AM I'M GLAD TALKING TO THE GREAT REALTORS ASSOCIATION TO MAKE
10:18:38AM SURE WE CAN COME INTO SOME AGREEMENT.
10:18:40AM WE WANT TO HELP THE REALTORS.
10:18:41AM WE WANT TO HELP THE HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE BUYING AND THOSE
10:18:44AM THAT ARE SELLING ALSO.
10:18:47AM BUT THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF THINGS GOING ON.
10:18:48AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:18:50AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I WANT TO
10:18:51AM PROVIDE ANOTHER INFORMATION ABOUT THE EXECUTIVE ORDER.
10:18:54AM ALTHOUGH THE EXECUTIVE ORDER DOES NOT WAIVE FINES, SOFT COST
10:19:01AM CODE ENFORCEMENT FINES ARE REDUCED.
10:19:04AM THERE IS A SETTLEMENT OFFER THAT IS PROVIDED, AND IT'S
10:19:07AM UNIFORM THROUGHOUT ALL CASES BASED UPON THE TIMELINE IT
10:19:13AM COMES -- IT TAKES TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE.
10:19:15AM THERE IS A REDUCED SETTLEMENT OFFER.
10:19:17AM AGAIN, AS COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SAID, THE GOAL OF CODE
10:19:20AM ENFORCEMENT IS COMPLIANCE.
10:19:22AM ONCE YOU'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE, THE EXECUTIVE ORDER
10:19:25AM DOES OFFER, WE PROVIDE A REDUCED COST IN ORDER TO RELEASE
10:19:29AM THE LIEN ON A PROPERTY.
10:19:31AM THAT'S ONLY FOR SOFT COST LIENS AS A RESULT OF CASES GOING
10:19:35AM TO A CODE ENFORCEMENT SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.
10:19:37AM >>BILL CARLSON: COULD YOU MAYBE SEND US INFORMATION ON WHAT
10:19:39AM THAT SCHEDULE IS?
10:19:40AM ONE PARTICULAR CASE, LIKE 750,000 IN FINES AND ALLEGEDLY IT
10:19:44AM WAS REDUCED TO ZERO.
10:19:47AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT,
10:19:48AM SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.
10:19:50AM BUT THE EXECUTIVE ORDER IN PLACE DOES NOT ALLOW STAFF OR THE
10:19:54AM DEPARTMENT TO WAIVE FINES.
10:19:56AM AGAIN, THEY ARE REDUCED AT A SETTLEMENT OFFER BECAUSE THE
10:19:59AM GOAL OF CODE ENFORCEMENT IS NOT TO SEEK MONEY BUT TO GET
10:20:04AM COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE.
10:20:05AM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, IF THE RULES HAVE CERTAIN SPECIFIC
10:20:09AM PERCENTAGES AND NEGOTIATION, THEN IT TAKES OUT THE
10:20:12AM ALLEGATION THAT IT MIGHT BE ARBITRARY.
10:20:13AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: CORRECT.
10:20:14AM >>BILL CARLSON: IF THAT ALL HAS BEEN FIXED --
10:20:17AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: YES.
10:20:18AM >>BILL CARLSON: -- IT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW TO LET THE
10:20:21AM PUBLIC KNOW BECAUSE THE PUBLIC FEELS SOME OF IT IS
10:20:24AM ARBITRARY.
10:20:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: QUESTION FOR YOU.
10:20:28AM HOW MANY TIMES WOULD YOU SAY IN A GIVEN YEAR THAT WE
10:20:31AM ACTUALLY ORDER DEMOLITION OF NONCOMPLIANCE CONSTRUCTION?
10:20:34AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I WAS JUST GOING TO ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE I
10:20:38AM WANTED TO ADDRESS THE COMMENT MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON IN
10:20:41AM RELATION TO US HAVING SOMEBODY TEAR DOWN AN ADU.
10:20:45AM AS WE HAVE SPOKEN TO YOU TODAY, THE GOAL IS COMPLIANCE.
10:20:47AM WE WOULD NEVER GO RIGHT AFTER SOMEBODY TEARING SOMETHING
10:20:51AM DOWN.
10:20:52AM WE WOULD TRY TO SEE, CAN THEY GET A VARIANCE, REZONE,
10:20:56AM BUILDING PERMITS DONE FOR IT?
10:20:57AM I'VE BEEN HERE COMING UP ON 24 YEARS, I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH
10:21:02AM US GOING AFTER ANYONE TO TEAR SOMETHING DOWN.
10:21:06AM OUR GOAL IS COMPLIANCE, AND THAT'S THE ROUTE THAT WE TAKE.
10:21:09AM IN RELATION TO YOUR QUESTION, WE HAVE ONE RIGHT NOW THAT JC
10:21:15AM IS WORKING ON THAT'S BEEN LIKE -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY --
10:21:19AM SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS, AND WE STILL HAVEN'T ISSUED THE ORDER
10:21:23AM TO HAVE IT TORN DOWN.
10:21:25AM WE TRY AS HARD AS WE CAN, AND, IN FACT, THIS ONE WENT TO THE
10:21:29AM BOARD.
10:21:30AM WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO AFTER IT TO HAVE IT TORN DOWN, THE
10:21:34AM PROPERTY OWNER CAME TO US AGAIN AND SAID I'D LIKE TO TRY TO
10:21:37AM GET THE PERMIT, AND JC IS WORKING WITH THEM.
10:21:40AM BUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME, IT DOES BECOME A NUISANCE AND IT
10:21:45AM BECOMES UNBEARABLE TO THE NEIGHBORS AND WE DO HAVE TO WORK
10:21:48AM THAT WAY.
10:21:48AM BUT THAT IS NOT THE APPROACH THAT WE TAKE.
10:21:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:21:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
10:21:53AM I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS THIS CASE OR NOT, BUT ON THE VARIANCE
10:21:56AM REVIEW BOARD, WE HAD A CASE THAT CAME BACK TO US TWICE THAT
10:22:00AM WAS FOR AN ADDITION.
10:22:01AM BOTH TIMES THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD SAID, NO, I'M SORRY.
10:22:05AM WE CAN'T -- LIKE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BEHIND YOUR WALLS AND
10:22:09AM THAT'S THE CONCERN.
10:22:10AM WHAT DO YOU DO IN THOSE TYPES OF CASES?
10:22:12AM THAT'S THE BOARD, SO --
10:22:20AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: RIGHT, WHEN A VARIANCE COMES TO YOU, WORK
10:22:26AM WITHOUT PERMIT, THE ONLY WAY TO KEEP IT IS TO GET THE
10:22:28AM VARIANCE BECAUSE THEY ARE WITHIN THE SETBACK OR WHATEVER IT
10:22:31AM IS, AND THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD DENIES THEM, THEY HAVE AN
10:22:35AM ABILITY TO APPEAL TO CITY COUNCIL.
10:22:38AM THOSE OF US YOU SEE, OR THEY HAVE THE ABILITY ON THEIR OWN
10:22:42AM TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE, WHICH MIGHT BE REMOVING PART OF THE
10:22:47AM BUILDING.
10:22:47AM THE THING IS THAT IF YOU DIDN'T PULL A PERMIT TO BUILD THE
10:22:50AM BUILDING, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO PULL A PERMIT TO DEMOLISH
10:22:54AM THAT PORTION OF THE BUILDING.
10:22:56AM AND THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT JC AND HIS TEAM
10:22:59AM FACE BECAUSE CLEARLY WE WANT WHAT IS LEFT STANDING THERE TO
10:23:02AM BE IN COMPLIANCE AND SAFE.
10:23:04AM I ALWAYS SAY, DO YOU WANT TO PUT YOUR MOM IN THIS HOUSE AND
10:23:08AM POTENTIALLY THE HOUSE COULD FALL -- THAT'S NOT -- WE WANT IT
10:23:11AM TO BE SAFE.
10:23:12AM WE WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHEN THEY GO TO BED AT NIGHT THAT THE
10:23:15AM HOME THEY PURCHASED IS SAFE TO SLEEP IN, SAFE TO OCCUPY,
10:23:18AM THEIR KIDS ARE SAFE.
10:23:19AM THAT'S WHERE ALL OF THIS COMES FROM AND THAT'S WHAT OUR GOAL
10:23:21AM IS.
10:23:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
10:23:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:23:24AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:23:25AM ALONG THOSE SAME LINES, I REMEMBER ONE CASE, MAYBE SAME CASE
10:23:30AM THAT COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK IS TALKING ABOUT, AT LEAST 10, 15
10:23:34AM YEARS AGO, THERE WAS AN INDIVIDUAL SOUTH OF THE RIVER, BUT
10:23:38AM CLOSE TO THE RIVER, OFF OF NEBRASKA, FLORIDA AVENUE, I
10:23:41AM FORGET WHICH.
10:23:42AM WE WENT TO SEE THAT, AND THAT BUILDING HADN'T BEEN TOUCHED
10:23:46AM IN YEARS.
10:23:47AM HAD NO ROOF.
10:23:49AM SO WHAT HAPPENED?
10:23:49AM THEY WOULD COME UP AND BRING IT UP AND PUT TWO BLOCKS AND
10:23:53AM PUT A BOARD LIKE HE WAS GOING TO MAKE A ROOF.
10:23:56AM ANOTHER TWO YEARS LATER, PUT ANOTHER BRICK ON AND THAT'S HOW
10:24:00AM IT WAS.
10:24:00AM I FORGET, BUT I'M GOING TO TRY TO FIND THAT HOUSE.
10:24:03AM NOW THAT YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, MY MIND STARTED TO FIGURE OUT
10:24:06AM WHERE IT WAS AT.
10:24:07AM I THINK ONE OR TWO BLOCKS AWAY FROM THE RIVER ON A CORNER
10:24:10AM NEXT TO TWO YOUNG LADIES THAT WERE THERE ABOUT 70 YEARS OLD.
10:24:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK: MR. MIRANDA, I BELIEVE I KNOW WHAT HOUSE
10:24:17AM YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
10:24:17AM NOT A BRICK HAS CHANGED.
10:24:19AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I GOT TO TAKE A PICTURE IN FRONT OF THAT
10:24:23AM HOUSE BECAUSE IT IS OLDER THAN ME.
10:24:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER --
10:24:27AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I BUILT THAT.
10:24:28AM [ LAUGHTER ]
10:24:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
10:24:34AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
10:24:35AM I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
10:24:36AM THE PERMIT NOTIFICATION PROCESS, IS IT FOR AN INITIAL CODE
10:24:41AM ENFORCEMENT?
10:24:43AM IS THERE A NOTICE PLACED ON THE DOOR OR DO YOU PUT IT IN THE
10:24:46AM MAIL?
10:24:48AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I WILL LET KEITH AND JC ADDRESS THAT.
10:24:52AM >> WHEN A NOTICE OF VIOLATION IS WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO,
10:24:55AM IT IS A PIECE OF PAPER AND WE POST THE PROPERTY.
10:24:57AM THAT'S OUR WAY OF SHOWING THE COURT THAT WE GAVE THEM NOTICE
10:25:01AM -- WE NOTIFIED THEM OF THE VIOLATION.
10:25:03AM TYPICALLY YOU GET 21 DAYS.
10:25:07AM LAWN IS TWO FEET HIGH, PLEASE MOW IT.
10:25:09AM WE POST IT AND IT HAS OUR PHONE NUMBER IF THEY HAVE ANY
10:25:12AM QUESTIONS.
10:25:12AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: HOW DO YOU POST IT?
10:25:15AM >> YOU STICK IT RIGHT ON THE FRONT DOOR.
10:25:17AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WITH WHAT, TAPE?
10:25:18AM >> YES.
10:25:19AM THERE'S POSTING AND THEN YOU TAKE A PICTURE TO PUT IT IN THE
10:25:21AM RECORD THAT WE POSTED THE PROPERTY.
10:25:23AM IF YOU CAN'T GET TO THE PROPERTY, YOU CAN PUT IT OUT ON THE
10:25:27AM FENCE.
10:25:27AM SOMETIMES WE CAN PUT A SIGN OUT THERE AND PUT IT ON THE
10:25:30AM SIGN.
10:25:31AM IT'S A PIECE OF PAPER.
10:25:34AM IT'S NOT A WHOLE STICKER.
10:25:37AM WE DON'T RUIN THEIR DOOR.
10:25:39AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: NO, NO.
10:25:40AM I WAS JUST ASKING A QUESTION.
10:25:43AM >> WE POST IT AND THEN WE MAIL THEM, AFTER THE POSTING, THEY
10:25:46AM GET A CERTIFIED LETTER, THE OWNER OF RECORD GETS A CERTIFIED
10:25:50AM LETTER ALSO.
10:25:50AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE POSTING?
10:25:52AM >> THEY INITIATE IT.
10:25:53AM THE POSTING IS FIRST.
10:25:55AM BUT IF IT'S VACANT THEY MAY NOT SEE IT.
10:25:58AM AND THEN STAFF, THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF MAILS THE LETTER.
10:26:04AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: IMMEDIATELY?
10:26:05AM >> YEAH.
10:26:06AM I MEAN, IT STARTS -- THAT PROCESS STARTS.
10:26:08AM SO IT'S WITHIN A DAY OR TWO THAT IT GETS MAILED.
10:26:12AM BUT IT'S WELL BEFORE THE 21 DAYS.
10:26:16AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: CERTIFIED LETTER THAT HAS TO BE SIGNED --
10:26:20AM WE PAY THE POSTAGE FOR THAT.
10:26:22AM THAT'S INTERESTING.
10:26:24AM >> IF THERE BECOMES AN ISSUE THAT SOMEONE SOMEHOW DIDN'T, WE
10:26:27AM WORK WITH EVERYONE BECAUSE WE WANT COMPLIANCE.
10:26:29AM IF YOU DIDN'T GET YOUR LETTER AND WE CAN ESTABLISH THAT, WE
10:26:33AM GIVE YOU MORE TIME.
10:26:34AM THE GOAL IS COMPLIANCE.
10:26:36AM WE WORK WITH EVERYONE WHO CALLS US.
10:26:38AM IT'S THE PEOPLE WHO IGNORE US AND WE NEVER HEAR FROM THAT
10:26:41AM USUALLY THESE PROCESSES GET TO THE POINT SOMETIMES THAT A
10:26:46AM BULLDOZER SHOWS UP.
10:26:48AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: UNDERSTOOD.
10:26:49AM THE SECOND QUESTION IS ABOUT BUILDINGS BEING BUILT WITHOUT
10:26:53AM PERMITS.
10:26:53AM THAT'S JUST INCREDIBLE TO ME.
10:26:55AM YOU SHOWED A PICTURE OF 2021 STRUCTURE.
10:26:58AM CAN YOU GIVE US MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT
10:27:01AM PARTICULAR INSTANCE?
10:27:05AM >>JC HUDGISON: JC HUDGISON CONSTRUCTION SERVICES MANAGER.
10:27:09AM THAT ONE WAS KIND OF UNFORTUNATELY 2021.
10:27:13AM SO IT WAS KIND OF DURING COVID.
10:27:15AM PEOPLE KIND OF ASSUMED THEY HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE LATITUDE
10:27:19AM THAN THEY THOUGHT THEY DID.
10:27:20AM SOMETIMES WHEN WE DEAL WITH THESE OWNERS, KIND OF AS KEITH
10:27:23AM SAID, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH EVERYBODY.
10:27:26AM SOMETIMES THAT OWNER IS TRUSTING THAT THE CONTRACTOR CAME TO
10:27:28AM SEE US, GOT THE PERMIT AND THE DOCUMENTATION, SO HE'S
10:27:32AM ASSUMING EVERYTHING IS READY TO GO.
10:27:34AM WE SHOW UP AND SEE A TWO-STORY WAREHOUSE AND THERE'S NO
10:27:37AM PERMIT FOR IT.
10:27:38AM NOT EVEN AN APPLICATION SUBMITTED.
10:27:40AM SO TRYING TO THEN SALVAGE WHAT'S THERE, AS WE MENTIONED, WE
10:27:45AM DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO COME IN AND HAVE TO MAKE THEM TEAR
10:27:48AM THE STRUCTURE DOWN, TALKING ABOUT SETBACKS, TREES
10:27:50AM ELIMINATED.
10:27:51AM STORMWATER, FLOODING.
10:27:52AM WE HAVE TO TAKE ALL THAT INTO CONSIDERATION FOR A COMPLIANT
10:27:56AM STRUCTURE.
10:27:56AM THAT ONE HAS KIND OF BEEN ELONGATED.
10:27:59AM THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE EXTREMES.
10:28:01AM USUALLY -- THAT IS THE EXTREME BUT THAT IS THE REASON WE
10:28:04AM BROUGHT IT TO THE PRESENTATION.
10:28:05AM WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH THAT CLIENTELE.
10:28:08AM THEY HAVE NOT OCCUPIED IT.
10:28:09AM THE FENCING IS STILL UP.
10:28:11AM NOBODY IS ALLOWED TO USE IT.
10:28:13AM IT'S TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY CAN SALVAGE OF THE
10:28:17AM EXISTING PROJECT AND WHAT THEY MAY HAVE TO REMOVE OR WHAT
10:28:20AM THEY MAY HAVE TO RELOCATE.
10:28:21AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
10:28:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:28:24AM IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, I WILL GO TO PUBLIC
10:28:26AM COMMENT.
10:28:26AM IF ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME UP.
10:28:30AM YES, MA'AM.
10:28:31AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:28:33AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:28:34AM JULIE McGILL, REAL ESTATE BROKER AND GENERAL CONTRACTOR.
10:28:37AM LOT OF MOVING PARTS HERE.
10:28:41AM DON'T THINK I CAN DO IN THREE MINUTES TO RESPOND TO
10:28:43AM EVERYTHING.
10:28:44AM I'LL START WITH THE REAL ESTATE PART OF IT.
10:28:47AM TWO REQUIRED DOCUMENTS THAT GO WITH FAR-BAR, SELLER
10:28:51AM DISCLOSURE AND LEAD BASED PAINT.
10:28:54AM SELLER DISCLOSURE ABOUT A THREE-PAGE DOCUMENT AND YES, NO,
10:28:57AM OR I DON'T KNOW ANSWER.
10:28:58AM WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT BOUGHT A HOUSE MAYBE THREE YEARS
10:29:03AM AGO AND STUFF WAS DONE SEVEN YEARS AGO AND THEY ARE ASKING
10:29:08AM QUESTIONS THAT THESE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, THEY ARE GOING TO
10:29:11AM CHECK "I DON'T KNOW."
10:29:12AM SO THAT ELIMINATES THAT, OH, I'LL GO AFTER THE REAL ESTATE
10:29:18AM AGENT OR GO AFTER THE HOMEOWNER BECAUSE THERE WAS SOMETHING
10:29:21AM DONE THAT THEY WEREN'T AWARE OF.
10:29:23AM THEY ARE CHECKING "I DON'T KNOW."
10:29:25AM SECOND OF ALL, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS,
10:29:32AM SOMEBODY BOUGHT A HOUSE.
10:29:33AM THEY GOT CITED FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE DRIVEN BY AND
10:29:36AM SEEN, WHICH SHOULD ONLY BE ON THE EXTERIOR, BY THE WAY,
10:29:40AM BECAUSE I HAVE A VIDEO THAT STATES THEY ARE NOT GOING TO
10:29:42AM CITE INTERIOR MODELS THAT THEY DID NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES,
10:29:45AM ACCORDING TO ZILLOW AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
10:29:48AM THEY SAID THEY WOULD STOP DOING THAT.
10:29:49AM SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EXTERIOR REMODELS, THERE IS A
10:29:54AM STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS THAT OUR GOVERNOR SIGNED ON APRIL 4
10:29:58AM OF LAST YEAR, STATE BILL 630 REDUCED IT TO SEVEN YEARS.
10:30:03AM SO THAT KIND OF MAKES A LOT OF THIS STUFF THAT'S 10 AND 15
10:30:08AM YEARS GO AWAY.
10:30:09AM I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE EVEN TALKING ABOUT STUFF THAT'S OVER
10:30:13AM SEVEN YEARS.
10:30:14AM THERE ARE SO MANY MOVING PARTS, I DON'T THINK I CAN DO THIS
10:30:20AM IN THREE MINUTES.
10:30:21AM AS A CONTRACTOR I'M FULLY AWARE THAT ILLEGAL CONSTRUCTION
10:30:25AM SHOULD BE CITED.
10:30:27AM I DON'T BELIEVE THAT SOMEONE HAS THE ABILITY TO SIT IN A CAR
10:30:33AM AND SEE INSIDE SOMEONE'S HOUSE AND CITE FOR ILLEGAL INTERIOR
10:30:38AM REMODEL WHICH CONTINUED TO HAPPEN UNTIL JUST RECENTLY.
10:30:41AM BUT YOU STILL HAVE THAT PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE
10:30:44AM LOOKING AT THAT STILL ARE IN PROCESS WITH THE SAME STUFF AND
10:30:48AM THEY HAVE BEEN ASKED FOR ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS, STRUCTURAL
10:30:56AM ENGINEER.
10:30:56AM THEY THINK A WALL WAS TAKEN DOWN.
10:30:58AM WHAT IF THAT WAS TAKEN DOWN MORE THAN SEVEN YEARS AGO, THERE
10:31:01AM WE GO.
10:31:02AM WHERE ARE WE STOPPING THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS?
10:31:04AM I JUST HAVE A LOT MORE QUESTIONS AND I'M HOPING THAT MAYBE
10:31:08AM WE CAN CONTINUE THIS WHERE I MIGHT GET MORE THAN THREE
10:31:11AM MINUTES TO RESPOND TO IT.
10:31:14AM THEY ARE PENALIZING NEW OWNERS THAT JUST BOUGHT THE PROPERTY
10:31:18AM THAT WENT THROUGH ALL THEIR DUE DILIGENCE THAT HAD A HOME
10:31:21AM INSPECTION.
10:31:21AM AND THE REAL ESTATE AGENT TO TRY TO PUT THAT RESPONSIBILITY
10:31:24AM ON THEM TO TRY TO FIND OUT IF PERMITS WERE PULLED WHEN THEY
10:31:28AM CAN'T EVEN TELL MAYBE AN INTERIOR WALL WAS TAKEN DOWN, THIS
10:31:31AM IS JUST A MESS.
10:31:32AM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE MY POINT.
10:31:35AM BUT IT'S PUTTING MORE RESPONSIBILITY ON REAL ESTATE AGENTS
10:31:37AM AND TITLE COMPANIES THAN IS NECESSARY IN MY OPINION.
10:31:40AM TRESPASSING, WELL, I KNOW FOR A FACT THEY HAVE.
10:31:45AM HOW ARE YOU GOING TO SEE A BACK DOOR IF YOU HAVEN'T
10:31:49AM TRESPASSED INTO THAT PROPERTY?
10:31:50AM MANY TIMES BACK DOORS AND BACK WINDOWS HAVE BEEN CITED IF
10:31:55AM THEY ARE NOT TRESPASSING ON THE PROPERTY, HOW WOULD THEY SEE
10:31:59AM THAT?
10:31:59AM THAT'S A LOT OF MY ISSUES WITH THIS.
10:32:04AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWERS ARE, BUT THERE ARE A LOT MORE
10:32:07AM MOVING PARTS THAN WHAT THEY BROUGHT UP.
10:32:09AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
10:32:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:32:11AM YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:32:14AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:32:15AM KELLA McCASKILL.
10:32:16AM WHEN YOU GUYS GROUPED TOGETHER IT MESSED US UP.
10:32:19AM TO HER POINT, YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO ONE, THREE MINUTES.
10:32:22AM SPEAK TO TWO, THREE MINUTES, SPEAK TO THREE.
10:32:25AM ANYWAY, I'M HERE AS A REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONAL NOW.
10:32:28AM I BELIEVE THAT JUST LIKE THERE ARE A LOT OF NEW BUYERS,
10:32:33AM THERE ARE A LOT OF NEW REALTORS THAT APPROACHED THIS MARKET.
10:32:36AM ONE OF THE THINGS I PRIDE MYSELF ON AS A REAL ESTATE
10:32:39AM PROFESSIONAL IS SOMEONE HIRED ME TO DO MY DUE DILIGENCE TO
10:32:42AM MAKE SURE THIS BUY IS SENSIBLE.
10:32:43AM I KNOW FOR SURE ALL REALTORS ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH ACCELA.
10:32:48AM THEY DON'T KNOW.
10:32:49AM I WOULD DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE, STRONGLY ENCOURAGE A
10:32:53AM RELATIONSHIP WITH REALTORS AND THEY EDUCATE US, MAYBE A
10:32:56AM REMINDER BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF ISSUES WE'RE HAVING IN
10:32:59AM CERTAIN AREAS WITH THIS SITUATION.
10:33:01AM I GO IN AND CHECK ACCELA.
10:33:03AM I GO IN AND DO THE DUE DILIGENCE.
10:33:05AM THE SECOND THING REGARDING THAT CONTRACT, FAR-BAR, I DON'T
10:33:09AM USE FAR-BAR ALWAYS.
10:33:10AM I USE THE OTHER CONTRACT MADE BY THE FLORIDA REALTORS.
10:33:13AM ON THAT SELLER DISCLOSURE, MOST PEOPLE, IF THEY DON'T CHECK,
10:33:17AM TO HER POINT, I DON'T KNOW.
10:33:18AM THEY SAY I NEVER LIVED THERE.
10:33:20AM ON THE FORM, THEY NEVER FILLED ANY OF IT OUT.
10:33:23AM BECAUSE OF THAT, I GO CHECK PERMITS.
10:33:27AM I GO AND CHECK WITH THE INSURANCE COMPANY TO SEE IF THEY
10:33:30AM HAVE ANY ISSUES.
10:33:31AM I CHECK EVERYWHERE TO MAKE SURE THE BUY IS SENSIBLE FOR THE
10:33:35AM CLIENT.
10:33:36AM I DON'T WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE AS THE REAL ESTATE
10:33:40AM PROFESSIONAL OF BEING ACCUSED OF NOT DOING MY PART AND
10:33:43AM ASSISTING IN THE DUE DILIGENCE PROCESS.
10:33:45AM I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE REALTORS.
10:33:48AM I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE BUSY, BUT THE VIDEO THAT IS POSSIBLE, IF
10:33:52AM YOU AND ERIC -- ABBYE AND ERIC DOES A GREAT JOB OF SHARING
10:33:57AM INFORMATION WITH NEIGHBORHOODS.
10:33:58AM I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY COULD RECORD THEM SHARING WITH
10:34:01AM PEOPLE AS IT RELATES TO PERMITS.
10:34:03AM HOMEOWNERS AREN'T ALWAYS AWARE THAT, HEY, I JUST HIRED THIS
10:34:06AM CONTRACTOR AND HE TOLD ME TO DO AN OWNER PERMIT.
10:34:09AM YOU DON'T DO THAT, NOT WHEN YOU'RE PAYING FOR A SERVICE.
10:34:12AM THEY DON'T KNOW THAT IN MOST NEIGHBORHOODS.
10:34:14AM IF THERE IS A WAY TO REACH OUT TO SOMEBODY TO GET MAYBE ERIC
10:34:18AM AND ABBYE, SOMEBODY IN THEIR DEPARTMENT, A RECORDING
10:34:22AM INFORMATION, GENERAL INFORMATION SENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS,
10:34:24AM SENT TO THE COMMUNITY.
10:34:25AM THEY MAY ALREADY HAVE THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE, BUT SOMEHOW
10:34:28AM A VIDEO COULD BE MADE OR TUTORIAL TO HELP THEM UNDERSTAND
10:34:32AM WHAT THAT PROCESS IS.
10:34:34AM LIKE 101, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT OUT
10:34:37AM THERE.
10:34:37AM WHEN IT COMES TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT, OVER-ENFORCING OR
10:34:41AM UNDERENFORCING, NEBRASKA CORRIDOR, THOSE CODE ENFORCEMENT
10:34:45AM WORKERS, IF THEY HAVE NOT TOLD YOU, THEY ARE OVERWORKED.
10:34:48AM IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT.
10:34:49AM IT IS A HOMELESSNESS PROBLEM.
10:34:52AM AS SOON AS CODE ENFORCEMENT CLEARS IT, NOW HOMELESS IS RIGHT
10:34:56AM BACK INTO THE PROPERTY, IF NOT THE VERY NEXT DAY.
10:34:59AM IT MAY BE SEEN AS OVER-ENFORCEMENT, BUT THEY CAN'T DEAL WITH
10:35:02AM THE HOMELESS POPULATION.
10:35:03AM THEY ARE THERE FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT.
10:35:04AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FIX IS, BUT IT'S NOT JUST CODE
10:35:06AM ENFORCEMENT.
10:35:07AM IT'S A HOMELESSNESS PROBLEM WHICH IS OUT OF CONTROL.
10:35:10AM AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS.
10:35:11AM TPD HAS DONE A LOT TO SEND THEIR HOMELESS OFFICERS OUT
10:35:15AM THERE, RIGHT AFTER CODE ENFORCEMENT FIX THE PROBLEM.
10:35:20AM THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THOSE TWO THINGS.
10:35:22AM THANK YOU.
10:35:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:35:23AM YES, SIR.
10:35:24AM GOOD MORNING.
10:35:25AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:35:26AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:35:27AM VICTOR DiMAIO, 1205 NORTH FRANKLIN STREET, SUITE 103.
10:35:32AM I JUST WANTED TO PRESENT TO THE COUNCIL THAT I'VE BEEN
10:35:36AM INVOLVED UNFORTUNATELY WITH A LOT OF FRIENDS WHO HAVE CODE
10:35:39AM ENFORCEMENT ISSUES.
10:35:41AM MY NEIGHBORHOOD, BELMONT HEIGHTS IN WEST TAMPA, FORMED OUR
10:35:44AM NEIGHBORHOOD, IN FACT, I FORMED IT MYSELF WITH MY NEIGHBORS
10:35:49AM BECAUSE WE HAD AN ONGOING PROBLEM WITH WEATHER TITE WINDOWS
10:35:53AM AND THE FACT THEY PARK EMPLOYEE CARS ALL UP AND DOWN THE
10:35:56AM RIGHT-OF-WAY ON KATHLEEN STREET.
10:35:58AM THERE ARE A FEW COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE PRETTY MUCH AWARE OF
10:36:01AM THAT SITUATION.
10:36:03AM THE SAD PART IS THAT WE TRIED AND TRIED TO GET THEM TO NOT
10:36:10AM PARK THE CARS IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
10:36:12AM TO THIS DAY, YEARS AND YEARS LATER THEY STILL DO IT.
10:36:14AM THEY HAVE TWO PARKING LOTS THERE.
10:36:16AM ONE THAT USED TO BE HENRY GONZALEZ PLUMBING BEFORE WEATHER
10:36:20AM TITE BOUGHT IT AND THEY DON'T USE IT.
10:36:22AM I ASK TO PUT NO PARKING IN RIGHT-OF-WAY SIGNS, WHICH THEY DO
10:36:28AM AROUND THE STADIUM A LOT BECAUSE THERE'S NO SIDEWALK.
10:36:32AM IF THERE WAS A SIDEWALK THERE, IT WOULD CLEARLY BE A CAR
10:36:35AM PARKING ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
10:36:36AM WHEN I ASKED TO PUT SIGNS UP, I GET A LOT OF LEGAL
10:36:42AM GOBBLEDYGOOK THAT WE CAN'T DO THAT.
10:36:44AM UNFORTUNATELY TO THIS DAY, AGAIN, WE HAVE TWO EMPTY LOTS AND
10:36:50AM PARKING ON THE STREET IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:36:52AM AND WE HAVE A LOT OF LOADING SITUATIONS WHERE THE GUYS COME
10:36:55AM PICK UP THE WINDOWS TO GO OUT AND DO INSTALLS AND WE HAVE A
10:37:01AM BUS STOP THERE FOR THE KIDS IN THE MORNING, AND IT'S A VERY
10:37:04AM DANGEROUS SITUATION.
10:37:05AM IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR MANY YEARS AND WE'VE NEVER GOTTEN ANY
10:37:08AM RELIEF ON IT.
10:37:09AM THE SECOND ISSUE I WANTED TO BRING UP IS THE FACT THAT, YES,
10:37:13AM THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO EVERY STORY.
10:37:15AM PEOPLE YOU SPOKE WITH THIS MORNING GAVE A VERY NICE
10:37:19AM PRESENTATION.
10:37:19AM BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, THERE ARE CERTAIN PEOPLE THAT
10:37:22AM DO GET PICKED ON BY CERTAIN INSPECTORS.
10:37:24AM AND I STOOD RIGHT HERE IN THIS PLACE WITH MY CLIENT AND THE
10:37:28AM INSPECTOR HIMSELF WHO LIED THROUGH HIS TEETH AND I PUT IT ON
10:37:32AM THE RECORD THAT HE'S LYING BECAUSE WE HAD VIDEO SHOWING HIM
10:37:35AM GOING OVER THE FENCE WHICH YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO.
10:37:38AM ACTUALLY HIRED A FORMER TAMPA CITY ATTORNEY WHO KNOWS THE
10:37:41AM LAW INSIDE AND OUT AND WAS ABLE TO COMBAT AND SPEAK TO THE
10:37:45AM ACTUAL CODE AND THE LAWS AND WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO THAT
10:37:49AM WE GOT SOME RELIEF.
10:37:51AM IT STILL GOES ON EVEN TODAY.
10:37:53AM YES, THERE ARE CERTAIN PEOPLE WHO GET PICKED ON.
10:37:56AM IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP BY CERTAIN MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
10:37:58AM BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THE COMPLAINTS OF THE
10:38:00AM PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN PICKED ON.
10:38:02AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION TO THAT IS, EXCEPT THAT IT'S
10:38:06AM BEEN SHOVED UNDER THE RUG AND IT STILL GOES ON.
10:38:10AM IT'S JUST AN ONGOING SITUATION.
10:38:12AM I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER FOR IT.
10:38:13AM IT'S UP TO YOU TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS WHICH DONE A VERY
10:38:18AM GOOD JOB OF THIS MORNING, BUT HAVE TO CONTINUE LOOKING AT
10:38:22AM THE SITUATION TO SEE WHAT YOU CAN DO TO RELIEVE SOME OF THIS
10:38:25AM SITUATION.
10:38:26AM THANK YOU.
10:38:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
10:38:27AM YES, MA'AM.
10:38:29AM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
10:38:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
10:38:31AM I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
10:38:33AM THE NEW SEVEN-YEAR LAW, IF ANYONE COULD SPEAK TO THAT?
10:38:40AM IF SOMEBODY TAKES OUT A LOAD-BEARING WALL, AFTER SEVEN
10:38:47AM YEARS, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT?
10:38:50AM >> I BELIEVE THE LAW SHE IS REFERRING TO, IF YOU HAVE AN
10:38:53AM OPEN PERMIT THAT IS SIX YEARS AND OLDER, THERE IS A PROCESS
10:38:56AM THAT YOU CAN NOW GO THROUGH TO THEN ADMINISTRATIVELY CLOSE
10:38:59AM IT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN THERE THAT LONG, IT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED.
10:39:02AM A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH THESE CASES THERE IS
10:39:04AM NO PERMIT.
10:39:05AM THERE IS NOTHING TO GO BACK TO REFERENCE TO.
10:39:08AM THEREFORE IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY HOW WAS THIS CORRECTED?
10:39:11AM HOW WAS THIS DONE WITHOUT ANY DECONSTRUCTIVE WORK?
10:39:14AM IF IT IS SIX YEARS AND OLDER AND HAVE A PERMIT, MAY HAVE
10:39:17AM STARTED ON IT AND DIDN'T FINISH IT, YOU CAN GO BACK AND HAVE
10:39:20AM IT ADMINISTRATIVELY CLOSED.
10:39:21AM ARCHITECT COULD COME IN AND SAY STRUCTURALLY SOUND, MEETS
10:39:25AM BUILDING CODE AND WE ADMINISTRATIVELY CLOSE THEM.
10:39:27AM WE STARTED GOING BACK THROUGH, EVEN ONES APPROVAL ON OUR --
10:39:32AM PROACTIVELY ON OUR SIDE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET PERMITS OFF OUR
10:39:35AM BOOKS, PERMITS SIX, SEVEN YEARS OLD, PREACHING OUT TO THE
10:39:38AM OWNERS, HOPING SAME OWNERS, SOME CHANGE, HEY, WE HAVE AN
10:39:45AM EXPIRED PERMIT ON THE BOOKS.
10:39:46AM WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE IT?
10:39:47AM THIS IS THE PROCEDURE.
10:39:49AM THIS IS THE SECTION BECAUSE NOW ADOPTED INTO THE 2023
10:39:51AM FLORIDA BUILDING CODE.
10:39:52AM ABLE TO CITE THE SECTION.
10:39:54AM SEND RIGHT TO THEM.
10:39:56AM WE'RE STARTING TO GET SLOW COMPLIANCE THERE, BUT YOU HAVE TO
10:39:59AM HIRE AN ARCHITECT, SOMEBODY GO OUT THERE AND ASSESS IT.
10:40:03AM THOSE ARE FEES.
10:40:04AM THAT'S DUE TO A PERMIT THAT YOU HAVE INITIATED WITH US AND
10:40:08AM YOU JUST DIDN'T FINISH IT.
10:40:09AM YOU FORGOT ABOUT IT OR WHATEVER.
10:40:11AM IF IT'S NOT DONE AND IT'S A VIOLATION, IT'S A VIOLATION.
10:40:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WAS GOING TO SAY, THAT SEEMS VERY SCARY.
10:40:18AM IF THAT WERE THE CASE.
10:40:20AM JUST A STATEMENT TO SAY THAT I ACTUALLY WENT ON A TOUR THIS
10:40:24AM WEEK WITH A CITIZEN WHO'S CONCERNED THAT THEY WERE BEING
10:40:28AM PICKED ON BY CODE AND LOOKED AT THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD,
10:40:33AM TOOK A WHOLE DRIVE.
10:40:34AM I CAN SEE THE CONCERNS, BUT I KNOW THAT STAFF IS WORKING TO
10:40:39AM FIX SOME OF THESE PERMITS, BUT I'M INTERESTED IN ALSO
10:40:43AM KNOWING -- WHAT REMINDED ME OF THE FACT IS THE GENTLEMAN WHO
10:40:49AM SPOKE ABOUT THE CARS PARKING IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, WE WERE
10:40:53AM JUST ON A TOUR, LIKE I SAID, I THINK IT WAS WEDNESDAY --
10:41:03AM TUESDAY, AND THERE WERE SEMIS PARKED ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IN
10:41:06AM FRONT OF A SIGN THAT SAID NO PARKING ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
10:41:10AM THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT I THINK ARE FRUSTRATING.
10:41:14AM THAT PERSON WAS FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THAT IS A VERY CLEAR
10:41:18AM VIOLATION, BUT NO ONE CALLED ON THAT PERSON -- ON HIS
10:41:22AM VIOLATION, SO THEY WERE JUST CONCERNED THAT WE'RE NOT CITING
10:41:28AM VIOLATIONS FOR A FULL NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:41:30AM I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I PUT THAT OUT THERE.
10:41:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:41:34AM ALL RIGHT.
10:41:35AM ITEM NUMBER 7.
10:41:37AM DOES THAT COMPLETE THE PRESENTATION, MS. FEELEY?
10:41:39AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: YES, IT DOES.
10:41:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:41:40AM ITEM NUMBER 7, WE HAVE CITY PLANNING STAFF TO PRESENT THE
10:41:44AM JANUARY 2024 CYCLE OF LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENTS.
10:41:48AM >>ERIC COTTON: ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
10:41:53AM I'LL RUN THROUGH WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED FOR THE NEXT JANUARY
10:41:59AM CYCLE.
10:41:59AM FIRST IS THE EXPANSION OF THE ADU AREA.
10:42:04AM ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, CITY PLANNING DID A LOT OF
10:42:07AM OUTREACH.
10:42:08AM I WILL SHARE -- I THINK THIS CHANGES BACK TO -- THE AREAS
10:42:20AM YOU SEE RIGHT NOW -- I'LL SAY THIS IS YELLOW BUT PROBABLY
10:42:23AM NOT YELLOW.
10:42:24AM THE YELLOW COLOR IS WHERE ADUs ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED.
10:42:28AM CITY PLANNING DID A COUPLE OF OUTREACH PROGRAMS, AND THEY
10:42:31AM ARE PROPOSING TO EXPAND IT TO THIS COLOR THAT'S IN PINK.
10:42:35AM THEY DID IT BY ZIP CODE, BUT THAT SORT OF OVERLAYS WITH THE
10:42:41AM ACTUAL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, BUT IT'S NOT AN EXACT
10:42:43AM MATCH.
10:42:44AM THAT'S BECAUSE THE WAY ZIP CODES WORK VERSUS THE WAY THE
10:42:46AM CITY HAS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.
10:42:47AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YEAH, OKAY, THERE YOU GO.
10:42:56AM IT'S BLURRY.
10:42:59AM >>ERIC COTTON: RIVERSIDE HEIGHTS -- SEMINOLE HEIGHTS WHERE
10:43:05AM THEY ARE ALLOWED AND EAST TAMPA WHERE THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED.
10:43:07AM ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT PART?
10:43:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO WHAT?
10:43:15AM >>ERIC COTTON: THIS IS WHERE THE PROPOSAL TO EXPAND WHERE
10:43:17AM ADUs WOULD BE ALLOWED THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE PROCESS.
10:43:20AM THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE THAT THEY
10:43:22AM CURRENTLY GO THROUGH NOW IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND IN EAST
10:43:25AM TAMPA -- EAST TAMPA AND TAMPA HEIGHTS.
10:43:28AM THIS WOULD ALLOW THOSE TO GO THROUGH THAT SAME SPECIAL USE
10:43:31AM PROCESS.
10:43:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU'RE OPENING THE DOOR FOR EAST TAMPA
10:43:35AM TO HAVE MORE ADUs.
10:43:37AM >>ERIC COTTON: EAST TAMPA --
10:43:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YELLOW IS ALREADY.
10:43:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE ARE EXPANDING IT TO THE PURPLE.
10:43:43AM >>ERIC COTTON: PURPLE, OKAY.
10:43:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, IN ANTICIPATION TO NEXT THURSDAY'S
10:43:46AM WORKSHOP REGARDING HOUSING, ADUs ARE GOING TO COME UP.
10:43:50AM JUST SO WE KNOW WHAT'S ALLOWABLE AND WHAT WILL BE ALLOWABLE.
10:43:54AM BECAUSE THESE ARE DENSELY POPULATED RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
10:43:59AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:44:02AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
10:44:10AM >>ERIC COTTON: THE SECOND REQUEST IS, AGAIN, DEALING WITH
10:44:13AM ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
10:44:14AM AS YOU KNOW, THEY ARE SPECIAL USES.
10:44:16AM YOU HAVE SEEN SOME OF THE APPEALS THAT COME BEFORE COUNCIL
10:44:19AM WHEN THEY ARE ADMINISTRATIVELY DENIED BY STAFF.
10:44:22AM PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THREE CHANGES.
10:44:25AM ONE TO ALLOW UP TO TWO UNRELATED INDIVIDUALS TO LIVE IN THE
10:44:29AM ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
10:44:30AM RIGHT NOW IT'S TWO RELATED INDIVIDUALS.
10:44:32AM THE SECOND ONE IS TO ALLOW THE OWNER TO RESIDE ELSEWHERE
10:44:36AM ON-SITE.
10:44:37AM RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THE CODE READS, THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING
10:44:42AM HAS TO BE OWNER OCCUPIED AND THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT
10:44:44AM WOULD BE THE RENTAL.
10:44:46AM THIS WOULD ALLOW THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT TO BE OCCUPIED
10:44:51AM BY THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE MAIN BUILDING COULD BE RENTED
10:44:54AM OUT.
10:44:55AM IF I WAS A SINGLE INDIVIDUAL, I COULD LIVE IN AN ACCESSORY
10:44:58AM DWELLING UNIT AND RENT MY HOUSE OUT TO A FAMILY OF FOUR.
10:45:01AM THAT WOULD BE A CHANGE.
10:45:02AM THE OTHER ONE WHICH ABBYE AND I ACTUALLY BROUGHT BEFORE
10:45:05AM COUNCIL, PREVIOUS COUNCIL TWO YEARS AGO, WHICH WAS TO ALLOW
10:45:10AM ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN NONCONFORMING STRUCTURES OR
10:45:14AM STRUCTURES MADE CONFORMING AS A RESULT OF A VARIANCE.
10:45:17AM PREVIOUS COUNCIL DID NOT APPROVE THAT.
10:45:22AM BRINGING IT BACK.
10:45:22AM THAT WOULD MEAN EXISTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, FOOT FROM THE
10:45:28AM PROPERTY LINE WHEN IT NEEDS TO BE THREE FEET, INSTEAD OF
10:45:30AM HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE APPEALS PROCESS AND GO THROUGH
10:45:33AM COUNCIL, ADMINISTRATIVELY WE WOULD BE ABLE TO APPROVE THAT
10:45:36AM KIND OF REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE.
10:45:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
10:45:41AM I LIKE ALL OF THESE CHANGES.
10:45:44AM AGAIN, WE HAVE SEEN QUITE A FEW NONCONFORMING STRUCTURES,
10:45:47AM WHICH ARE USUALLY JUST GARAGES, BUT THEY ARE OLD, ESPECIALLY
10:45:50AM IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AREA WHERE ADUs ARE ALREADY ALLOWED,
10:45:54AM PEOPLE WERE STILL HAVING TO COME THROUGH THE PROCESS BECAUSE
10:45:57AM THE GARAGE BUILT IN 1920 WAS A FOOT AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY.
10:46:01AM >>ERIC COTTON: CORRECT.
10:46:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT I THINK IS GREAT.
10:46:03AM I ALSO LOVE THE CHANGE OF THE LIVING SITUATION BECAUSE THERE
10:46:06AM ARE A LOT OF OLDER FOLKS THAT WANT TO HAVE A SMALLER
10:46:11AM FOOTPRINT, BUT THAT WAY THEY DON'T HAVE SELL THEIR PROPERTY
10:46:14AM TO DO THAT.
10:46:16AM THEY CAN EITHER LIVE BACK THERE, LIKE YOU SAID, AND RENT IT
10:46:19AM OUT OR HAVE FAMILY COME IN BECAUSE THOSE AREN'T THE
10:46:23AM PRINCIPAL OWNER, SO THEY COULDN'T LEGALLY STAY IN THE HOUSE.
10:46:28AM TWO UNRELATED PEOPLE TO ME MEANS A COUPLE CAN LIVE THERE WHO
10:46:32AM AREN'T MARRIED.
10:46:32AM RIGHT NOW IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A MARRIED COUPLE OR A MOM AND
10:46:35AM A SON OR MOM AND DAUGHTER OR DAD AND SON.
10:46:38AM DAD, MOM, WHATEVER.
10:46:40AM I THINK THOSE ARE -- I LIKE THOSE CHANGES.
10:46:47AM >>ERIC COTTON: THE NEXT ONE IS A TEXT AMENDMENT INITIATED BY
10:46:50AM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
10:46:54AM THIS IS ACTUALLY LANGUAGE TO, WHEN A HISTORIC STRUCTURE IS
10:46:59AM DEMOLISHED, EITHER WITHOUT PERMITS OR BY NEGLECTED, A FINE
10:47:06AM STATED WITH THAT DEMOLITION OR DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT HAVING
10:47:09AM A FINE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING UP TO
10:47:12AM $15,000 FINE GO THROUGH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS.
10:47:15AM THAT I BELIEVE WOULD BE AMENDING A COUPLE OF SECTIONS OF THE
10:47:20AM CODE.
10:47:21AM 27-100.
10:47:22AM BASICALLY THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, YBOR, SEMINOLE HEIGHTS,
10:47:25AM TAMPA HEIGHTS WHERE HISTORIC BUILDINGS ARE IF THEY AREN'T
10:47:30AM ACTUALLY LANDMARKED, LOCALLY LANDMARKED, EITHER DEMOLISHES
10:47:36AM THE BUILDING OR DEMOLISHED BY NEGLECT, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO
10:47:39AM ASSOCIATE A FINE WITH THAT DEMOLITION.
10:47:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
10:47:42AM YES, SIR.
10:47:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK: DID YOU SAY 15, 1-5?
10:47:46AM THAT IS NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO LET SOMEONE DESTROY AN HISTORIC
10:47:54AM STRUCTURE.
10:47:54AM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
10:47:57AM FLORIDA STATUTE HAS IN CHAPTER 162 A FEE FOR AN IRREPARABLE
10:48:03AM DAMAGE.
10:48:03AM WE USE IT NOW FOR TREES AS WELL.
10:48:06AM PER STATUTE, THAT FEE IS CAPPED AT $15,000.
10:48:09AM IT DOESN'T EXCEED THAT.
10:48:11AM SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS ADD LANGUAGE TO OUR CODE SO
10:48:15AM THAT WE CAN APPLY THAT IRREPARABLE FEE TO THIS KIND OF
10:48:20AM DESTRUCTION.
10:48:21AM UNFORTUNATELY OUR FEE IS CAPPED.
10:48:22AM I AGREE WITH YOU.
10:48:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU FOR THAT.
10:48:24AM MAYBE WE CAN LOBBY THE LEGISLATURE.
10:48:28AM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: I AGREE.
10:48:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID EXACTLY WHAT I
10:48:31AM WAS GOING TO SAY.
10:48:31AM CAN WE THROUGH ORDINANCE PROHIBIT NEW CONSTRUCTION ON THAT
10:48:41AM PROPERTY OR INCREASE -- IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN DO SO
10:48:45AM WE DON'T HAVE THAT SITUATION WHERE SOMEBODY BY INTENTIONALLY
10:48:48AM BY NEGLECT OR BY ILL-WILL DESTROYS HISTORIC DISTRICT BECAUSE
10:48:54AM THEY WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING ELSE?
10:48:56AM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: WE HAVE THAT FOR TREES.
10:48:58AM IF A TREE IS DESTROYED, A GRAND TREE IS DESTROYED, THERE IS
10:49:03AM A PERIOD OF TIME BEFORE SOMEONE CAN BUILD IN ORDER TO USE
10:49:08AM THAT AREA.
10:49:08AM I DID LOOK AT THAT PROVISION IN OUR CODE WITH REGARD TO THIS
10:49:13AM PARTICULAR AMENDMENT, AND IT DIDN'T REALLY FIT BECAUSE OF
10:49:16AM THE LANGUAGE, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO HAVING SOME
10:49:20AM PERIOD OF TIME BEFORE THEY CAN REBUILD.
10:49:24AM HAVE TO BE VERY COGNIZANT OF BERT HARRIS AND OTHER TAKING
10:49:30AM ISSUES.
10:49:30AM I CERTAINLY WILL.
10:49:32AM I'LL KEEP LOOKING AT THAT.
10:49:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:49:34AM >>BILL CARLSON: I HAD THE SAME QUESTIONS.
10:49:37AM ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE CAN PUT IN I WOULD APPRECIATE,
10:49:40AM ESPECIALLY THE PROHIBITED TIMELINE TO REBUILD.
10:49:46AM ARE THERE ANY OTHER REQUIREMENTS WE CAN PUT IN?
10:49:48AM CAN WE PUT SOMETHING LIKE THEY HAVE TO REBUILD THE STRUCTURE
10:49:52AM TO LOOK SIMILARLY?
10:49:54AM ALSO, CAN WE LEVERAGE CODE ENFORCEMENT FINES?
10:50:00AM CAN WE INCREASE THOSE IN SOME WAY?
10:50:02AM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: YES, WE CAN REQUIRE THEM TO BUILD A
10:50:06AM STRUCTURE THAT IS IDENTICAL OR VERY SIMILAR TO THE STRUCTURE
10:50:11AM DEMOLISHED.
10:50:12AM YOU RECENTLY DID HAVE A DEMO BEFORE YOU, AND COUNCIL MEMBER
10:50:16AM CLENDENIN MADE THE MOTION AND STATED THAT THE NEW STRUCTURE
10:50:18AM WOULD BE BUILT TO LOOK LIKE THE ONE THAT HAD BEEN DESTROYED.
10:50:23AM AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE GUIDELINES FOR THAT HISTORIC
10:50:25AM DISTRICT.
10:50:26AM AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE LOOK AT THE GUIDELINES FOR THE
10:50:30AM HISTORIC DISTRICT AND HOW THEY TELL US TO BUILD THINGS,
10:50:32AM WHICH IS, OF COURSE, USING ORIGINAL MATERIALS AND OTHER
10:50:35AM THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND THEN WE'RE ABLE TO USE THAT AS WE
10:50:39AM PROCESS THE APPLICATION FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT.
10:50:41AM >>BILL CARLSON: SHOULD WE ASK YOU TO COME BACK TO PRESENT
10:50:45AM OTHER IDEAS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PUT IN ORDINANCES?
10:50:49AM >>ERIC COTTON: THE LAST THING WE'LL DISCUSS IS THE TIMELINE.
10:50:53AM WE DON'T HAVE LANGUAGE DRAFTED UP YET.
10:50:54AM IF COUNCIL COULD DIRECT US TO DEVELOP THAT KIND OF LANGUAGE,
10:50:58AM WE CAN WORK IT INTO WHAT WE'LL PRESENT TO COUNCIL IN MARCH.
10:51:01AM >>BILL CARLSON: ESPECIALLY FOR NATIONALLY REGISTERED
10:51:05AM HISTORIC BUILDINGS, WE SHOULD PUT AS MANY THINGS AS WE CAN
10:51:10AM IN IT TO SAVE THOSE BUILDINGS.
10:51:11AM THE CITY ALSO HAS TORN OUT -- REMEMBER THE BRO BOWL.
10:51:21AM THE CITY SHOULD HAVE BEEN FINED FOR THAT AS WELL.
10:51:21AM I THINK THE STATE CAME DOWN ON THE CITY FOR DOING THAT.
10:51:23AM ANYWAY, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY IS ALSO
10:51:28AM PROHIBITED FROM TEARING DOWN NATIONALLY SIGNIFICANT,
10:51:31AM NATIONALLY REGISTERED HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
10:51:34AM ANY WAY YOU CAN COME BACK BY ORDINANCE OR COMP PLAN CHANGE
10:51:37AM WOULD BE GREAT BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY IS DEMANDING THIS.
10:51:43AM THERE ARE A FEW OUTLIERS THAT WANT TO TEAR DOWN EVERY
10:51:47AM HISTORIC BUILDING AND BUILD MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.
10:51:49AM WE NEED TO STOP LISTENING TO THEM.
10:51:51AM BUT WE NEED TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC AND WHAT MAKES THE
10:51:53AM CHARACTER OF OUR COMMUNITY IS THE UNIQUE HISTORIC BUILDINGS
10:51:56AM AND ALSO REMEMBERING OUR HERITAGE AND HISTORY BECAUSE IT
10:51:59AM MAKES US SO DIFFERENT THAN OTHER CITIES.
10:52:02AM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: ABSOLUTELY.
10:52:04AM WE'LL DEFINITELY LOOK INTO STRENGTHENING THAT LANGUAGE.
10:52:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU HAVE A TIMELINE OF WHAT'S NEXT OR
10:52:09AM YOU HAVE MORE?
10:52:10AM >>ERIC COTTON: COUPLE MORE TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT I'LL PUT UP
10:52:14AM ON THE ELMO, THE TIMELINE.
10:52:15AM A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO WHEN COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER WAS ON
10:52:20AM COUNCIL, TEXT AMENDMENT THAT ALLOWED FRONT PORCHES TO EXTEND
10:52:24AM BY RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE UP TO 8 FEET.
10:52:27AM ORIGINALLY IT WAS RS 50 AND RM.
10:52:30AM THE TEXT AMENDMENT WAS RS 50, RM-PDs TO ALLOW THE
10:52:34AM ENCROACHMENT.
10:52:35AM THE CODE WAS NOT AMENDED PROPERLY, PER SE, AND PER THE CODE,
10:52:40AM IT STILL REQUIRES -- ONLY PLACE ALLOWED BY RIGHT RS 50, RM,
10:52:47AM PD.
10:52:47AM RS 60 REQUIRES A DESIGN EXCEPTION AND THE RM 75s AND UP
10:52:52AM REQUIRE A REGULAR VARIANCE.
10:52:56AM THE INTENT OF THE CODE WAS TO ALLOW THEM BY RIGHT IN ANY OF
10:53:01AM THE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ALLOW FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
10:53:04AM THIS IS ALMOST -- NOT A SCRIVENER'S ERROR, BUT CLARIFYING
10:53:08AM THAT LANGUAGE AND THE TWO SECTIONS THAT REQUIRE THE DESIGN
10:53:14AM EXCEPTION OR THE VARIANCE.
10:53:17AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDE PDs.
10:53:20AM >>ERIC COTTON: DO YOU WANT TO GO BACK?
10:53:22AM THAT'S WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE CODE NOW WAS TO ALLOW PDs
10:53:26AM BY RIGHT.
10:53:26AM >>BILL CARLSON: WE'VE HAD AN ISSUE IN FIGURING OUT HOW TO
10:53:31AM LIMIT PDs.
10:53:32AM ANYTIME THERE IS A DESIGN EXCEPTION TO A PD, IT DEFEATS THE
10:53:36AM PURPOSE OF HAVING A PD IN THE FIRST PLACE.
10:53:38AM >>ERIC COTTON: THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE CODE.
10:53:40AM THAT WAS ADOPTED BY COUNCIL THE LAST TIME IT WENT BEFORE
10:53:43AM CITY.
10:53:43AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: IF I COULD ADD SOME CONTEXT.
10:53:45AM ABBYE FEELEY.
10:53:46AM THIS WAS FOR PDs THAT HAD RESIDENTIAL APPROVED, TOWNHOMES,
10:53:52AM OR SINGLE-FAMILY IN A PD TO ALLOW THEM TO HAVE A PORCH.
10:53:58AM IF THEY DIDN'T SHOW A PORCH ON THE ORIGINAL PD, IT ALLOWED
10:54:02AM THEM TO PUT A PORCH INTO THE DESIGN WITHOUT HAVING TO COME
10:54:05AM BACK FOR A NEW PD.
10:54:07AM IN A PD RIGHT NOW, ONE OF THE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE CRITERIA IS
10:54:10AM A REDUCTION IN A PERIMETER SETBACK.
10:54:13AM SO IF I HAD A TOWNHOME THAT DID NOT HAVE A PORCH ON THE
10:54:18AM FRONT OR A HOUSE THAT DIDN'T HAVE A PORCH AND NOW I HAVE
10:54:21AM GONE IN TO HAVE -- WANT TO HAVE A PORCH, THIS WOULD ALLOW
10:54:24AM THEM TO HAVE THE PORCH AS LONG AS THEY DID NOT GO ANY CLOSER
10:54:29AM THAN FIVE FOOT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
10:54:31AM IF NOT, RE-PD TO GET A PORCH.
10:54:35AM ONE OF THE THINGS COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER AT THAT TIME WANTED
10:54:39AM PORCHES, EYES ON THE STREET, THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN AND
10:54:41AM NOT FOR SOMEBODY BACK THROUGH ANOTHER HUNDRED-DAY PROCESS TO
10:54:45AM PUT JUST A PORCH ON TO THE FRONT OF A RESIDENTIAL UNIT THAT
10:54:49AM WAS ALREADY APPROVED.
10:54:51AM WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY OF THOSE COME IN TO ADD A PORCH THROUGH
10:54:57AM A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE PROCESS.
10:54:58AM THEY STILL WOULD HAVE TO DO A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE PROCESS TO
10:55:01AM SHOW THEY WERE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE REGULATIONS THAT RUN
10:55:04AM WITH THE PORCH, WHICH IS THAT NO CLOSER THAN FIVE FEET, BUT
10:55:08AM IF, LET'S SAY, ROME AVENUE, THERE WERE TOWNHOMES.
10:55:11AM THEY WERE SET AT 12-FOOT AND THEY WANTED TO ADD AN 8-FOOT
10:55:15AM PORCH, THEY COULDN'T.
10:55:16AM THEY COULD POTENTIALLY ADD A 7 BECAUSE THEN THEY WOULD STILL
10:55:19AM BE AT THE FIVE, BUT THAT CREATED THAT INTERACTION ALONG THE
10:55:22AM PUBLIC REALM FOR PORCHES AND PEOPLE TO BE THERE.
10:55:26AM IT IS ALLOWED NOW.
10:55:29AM I THINK WHAT ERIC IS SAYING IT'S NOT ALLOWED IN THE RS 60
10:55:34AM DISTRICT.
10:55:34AM YOU STILL HAVE TO GET A DESIGN EXCEPTION AND IN THE RS 75,
10:55:39AM HE SAID RM, BUT RS 75, RS 100, YOU COULD NOT DO IT EITHER
10:55:43AM AND THEY HAVE LARGER SETBACKS.
10:55:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:55:50AM REGARDLESS WHETHER IT IS PERMITTED NOW, GOING TO REDO THE
10:55:53AM CODE, I THINK WE NEED TO PEEL BACK FROM THE PD ISSUE AND NOT
10:55:58AM INSTITUTIONALIZE THAT IN OUR CODE WITH THESE TYPE OF
10:56:01AM VARIANCES.
10:56:02AM WHEN SOMEONE COMES TO US WITH A PD, EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE
10:56:07AM DISCLOSED ON THAT PD.
10:56:09AM THEY ARE ALREADY GETTING FIVE BITES OF AN APPLE ON A PD.
10:56:13AM WE DON'T NEED TO GIVE THEM SIX THAT COMES OUTSIDE OF THE
10:56:16AM PUBLIC REALM AND OUTSIDE OF OUR VIEW OF WHAT THE PROJECT IS
10:56:20AM GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
10:56:21AM I WOULD ACTUALLY STRONGLY URGE THAT YOU ALL, WHEN YOU
10:56:26AM REWRITE THIS CODE, THAT WE WRITE IT SO THAT THE PD IS NOT
10:56:29AM INCLUDED IN THAT DESCRIPTION.
10:56:35AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WAS JUST THINKING RATHER THAN WAIT FOR
10:56:37AM THE CODE, IF THAT'S COUNCIL PLEASURE IS COMING BACK,
10:56:40AM ADDRESSING THAT IN CHANGES DURING THE CYCLE, IF THAT'S
10:56:44AM COUNCIL'S PLEASURE, RATHER THAN WAIT FOR IT, YOU COULD ASK
10:56:48AM WHETHER IT COULD BE DONE AND IF SO, COUNCIL COULD DIRECT
10:56:50AM THAT, IF THAT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
10:56:53AM ONLY HEAR CONSENSUS, IF YOU WISH AFTER TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT
10:56:56AM TO GIVE SORT OF DIRECTION, YOU CAN DO SO.
10:57:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK: MS. FEELEY, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
10:57:02AM I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS RIGHT.
10:57:05AM SO THE ONLY TIME THIS IS USED IN PDs IS IF SOMEONE ALREADY
10:57:10AM HAS A PD, THEY HAVEN'T STARTED BUILDING YET, AND THEY CHANGE
10:57:14AM THEIR MIND.
10:57:15AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THAT IS CORRECT.
10:57:16AM THE DISCUSSION CAME UP AT THE TIME WE BROUGHT THIS
10:57:19AM ALLOWANCE, THAT WHAT IF I JUST GOT A PD FOR A HOUSE OR
10:57:24AM TOWNHOMES AND I DIDN'T INCLUDE A PORCH, COULD I PLEASE ALSO
10:57:28AM INCLUDE A PORCH NOW?
10:57:29AM SO WE SAID, OKAY, YES, WE COULD DO THAT, BUT YOU HAVE TO
10:57:33AM MAINTAIN.
10:57:34AM JC ALREADY LEFT.
10:57:36AM BUILDING CODE, YOU CAN'T BE CLOSER TO FIVE FOOT FROM THE
10:57:39AM PROPERTY LINE BEFORE YOU HAVE TO FIRE RATE THAT IN A
10:57:42AM DIFFERENT WAY.
10:57:42AM SO WE SAID IT WAS COMPROMISED THAT, YES, IF YOU GOT A PD
10:57:46AM LIKE THAT, YOU COULD ADD ONLY -- YOU COULD ADD THOSE
10:57:50AM PORCHES, BUT YOU HAD TO REMAIN FIVE FOOT FROM THE PROPERTY
10:57:54AM LINE.
10:57:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK: BASICALLY WHAT WE DID IS WE KIND OF JUST
10:57:58AM ADDED A GRANDFATHERISH CLAUSE FOR PEOPLE WHO HAD ALREADY,
10:58:02AM BUT NOW THAT THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING, WE COULD TAKE THAT
10:58:05AM AWAY AND IT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE BECAUSE IF YOU'RE
10:58:08AM COMING TOGETHER WITH A PD, YOU SHOULD HAVE THAT.
10:58:13AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: IF YOUR ELEVATIONS -- RIGHT.
10:58:14AM BECAUSE THEY BRING THE ELEVATIONS TO YOU NOW.
10:58:16AM IF YOU'RE REQUESTING A PD, YOU SHOULD BE REQUESTING THAT.
10:58:20AM THE OTHER OPTION LISTENING TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID, YOU COULD
10:58:24AM SAY IN THE CODE FOR PLAN DEVELOPMENTS APPROVED PRIOR TO JULY
10:58:28AM 1st, THIS YOU WOULD BE ELIGIBLE ADMINISTRATIVE OR JUST
10:58:32AM TAKE IT OUT.
10:58:33AM IT HASN'T BEEN USED.
10:58:35AM IF YOU WANT TO JUST TAKE IT OUT, THAT'S FINE, TOO.
10:58:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK WE HAVE DONE ENOUGH TIMEWISE TO LET
10:58:41AM PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE PDs EXIST ALREADY.
10:58:44AM I THINK THE PDs COMING FORWARD THAT WANT PORCHES ALREADY
10:58:47AM HAVE THEM.
10:58:48AM I THINK THAT THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH TAKING THAT OUT.
10:58:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
10:58:57AM >>ERIC COTTON: THE LAST ONE WHICH IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT
10:58:59AM WITH COUNCIL LAST WEEK, THE YBOR PARKING AMENDMENTS.
10:59:02AM THAT WOULD BE THE LAST PART OF THE JANUARY CYCLE.
10:59:06AM DISCUSSION WE HAD LAST WEEK WITH THE PowerPoint AND THE
10:59:09AM CHANGE TO THE PERSONNEL, CHANGE TO PARKING REGULATIONS FOR
10:59:13AM SIGNAGE OR FOR GREENSPACE AND BUFFERING AND ALL THAT, THAT
10:59:17AM WOULD ALSO BE IN THIS CYCLE.
10:59:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
10:59:21AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:59:21AM YES, MA'AM.
10:59:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S FOR THE PAID PARKING LOTS AND THEN
10:59:26AM WE'RE WORKING ON THE UNPAID PARKING LOTS FOR THE NEXT CYCLE,
10:59:29AM CORRECT?
10:59:29AM >>ERIC COTTON: STRICTLY FOR THE PAID PARKING LOTS WHICH WAS
10:59:32AM THE ORIGINAL MOTION BY COUNCIL.
10:59:34AM AND THEN A BROADER LOOK AT ALL THE PARKING LOTS IN YBOR.
10:59:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS ON THE RECORD.
10:59:39AM >>ERIC COTTON: YES, MA'AM.
10:59:40AM JUST TO GIVE COUNCIL A VISUAL OF THE TIMELINE, TODAY IS, OF
10:59:49AM COURSE, THE WORKSHOP.
10:59:50AM THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY.
10:59:52AM WE HAVE A VIRTUAL PUBLIC MEETING SCHEDULED ON MARCH 19.
10:59:55AM IT WILL BE IN THE NEWSLETTER THAT GOES OUT ON MARCH 1st.
10:59:58AM PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS ABOUT A MONTH LONG.
11:00:01AM IN APRIL WE'LL BE COMING BACK WITH COUNCIL WITH THE ACTUAL
11:00:04AM LANGUAGE THAT'S GOING TO BE PROPOSED AND WE'LL PRESENT THAT
11:00:08AM PROBABLY AS A STAFF REPORT.
11:00:10AM ASK FOR YOUR TRANSMITTAL TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
11:00:12AM WE'LL DO A PLANNING COMMISSION BRIEFING.
11:00:13AM THEN HAVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING.
11:00:15AM WE SHOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR FIRST READING AT NIGHT IN
11:00:18AM JUNE FOR A JUNE EVENING BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE TO THE SPECIAL
11:00:21AM USE, WHERE IT WOULD BE ALLOWED BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE TO
11:00:24AM 27-156 REQUIRES A NIGHT HEARING.
11:00:26AM AND THEN HOPEFULLY IN JULY WE WOULD HAVE SECOND READING AND
11:00:29AM ADOPTION.
11:00:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:00:33AM >>ERIC COTTON: YOU'RE WELCOME.
11:00:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JULY 18.
11:00:36AM THAT IS THE FIRST MEETING WE GET BACK FROM THE SUMMER BREAK.
11:00:41AM OKAY.
11:00:41AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:00:42AM ANYTHING ELSE IN YOUR PRESENTATION BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC
11:00:44AM COMMENT?
11:00:44AM >>ERIC COTTON: NO, SIR.
11:00:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
11:00:45AM MS. POYNOR.
11:00:53AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:00:54AM STEPHANIE POYNOR.
11:00:55AM I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING HERE THIS MORNING AND NOT WATCHING
11:00:58AM WHILE I WAS WAITING TO SPEAK TO THE SUPERINTENDENT.
11:01:00AM I'M KIND OF WONDERING WHERE THE DESIGN EXCEPTION STUFF IS ON
11:01:03AM THIS CYCLE BECAUSE WE'VE HAD MEETINGS ABOUT IT AND HAVEN'T
11:01:09AM SEEN AND IT'S NOT HERE.
11:01:12AM I GUESS THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE.
11:01:13AM THANK YOU.
11:01:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION?
11:01:15AM >>ERIC COTTON: ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
11:01:18AM WE HAD PUBLIC MEETINGS WITH MEMBERS OF BOTH THE DEVELOPMENT
11:01:20AM COMMUNITY AND WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS REGARDING THE
11:01:25AM DESIGN EXCEPTIONS.
11:01:26AM THAT IS A COMPLICATED ISSUE AND I BELIEVE EITHER I TOLD
11:01:31AM MS. POYNOR OR CARROLL ANN WHEN I SPOKE WITH THEM LAST WEEK
11:01:35AM OR WEEK BEFORE, I WOULD RATHER DO IT RIGHT THAN COME BACK
11:01:39AM SIX MONTHS AFTERWARDS, OH, WE HAVE TO AMEND THIS, LIKE THE
11:01:42AM COMMERCIAL VEHICLES AND THE SIZE THAT I FOUND OUT THAT
11:01:44AM F-150s ARE THE SAME SIZE AS A SEMITRUCK, WIDTH-WISE.
11:01:51AM WHEN I FOUND THAT OUT, THAT WAS SHOCKING.
11:01:54AM I WOULD RATHER DO A DEEPER DIVE ON THE DESIGN EXCEPTION
11:01:57AM LANGUAGE, GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME AND BRING IT BACK IN
11:02:00AM THE JULY CYCLE.
11:02:02AM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU MAY HAVE SEEN WE HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF
11:02:05AM E-MAILS AND CALLS ABOUT DESIGN EXCEPTIONS.
11:02:07AM ONE OF THEM THAT WAS TOLD TO ME -- AND IF WE TALKED ABOUT
11:02:10AM THIS BEFORE I APOLOGIZE.
11:02:13AM I WAS TOLD THAT THE RITZ-CARLTON PROJECT WAS GIVEN A BUNCH
11:02:16AM OF DESIGN EXCEPTIONS AFTER COUNCIL APPROVED IT.
11:02:19AM ONE OF THOSE WAS THAT TWO ADDITIONAL FLOORS WERE ALLOWED.
11:02:24AM IS THAT ACCURATE?
11:02:28AM >>ERIC COTTON: I DON'T KNOW.
11:02:29AM DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENTS GO THROUGH A DDR.
11:02:33AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THE RITZ-CARLTON ON BAYSHORE IS A PD.
11:02:37AM IT IS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR DESIGN EXCEPTIONS --
11:02:39AM >>BILL CARLSON: IT'S NOT TRUE THAT STAFF --
11:02:41AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THROUGH A SUBSTANTIAL
11:02:43AM CHANGE IF IT HAD BEEN APPROVED, BUT I AM NOT AWARE OF THAT.
11:02:47AM I'M HAPPY TO LOOK AT THE RECORD WHEN I GET BACK TO THE
11:02:50AM OFFICE AND GET THAT INFORMATION TO YOU.
11:02:51AM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, JUST SINCE WE'RE ASKING A BUNCH OF
11:02:54AM DISCUSSION, WE CAN DISCUSS IN ANOTHER FORUM, THAT ONE WOULD
11:02:57AM BE -- IF NOT TRUE, WE'LL BRING IT UP JUST SO THE PUBLIC
11:03:01AM KNOWS.
11:03:01AM THANK YOU.
11:03:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
11:03:03AM MR. DiMAIO.
11:03:08AM >> FOR THE RECORD, VICTOR DIMAIO, 1205 NORTH FRANKLIN
11:03:11AM STREET, SUITE 103.
11:03:13AM THE FIRST ITEM AS FAR AS ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS CONCERNED IS
11:03:19AM INTERESTING BECAUSE I PERSONALLY AM FOR ABILITY OF RESIDENTS
11:03:24AM TO HAVE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES -- UNDER THE CODE NOW YOU'RE
11:03:30AM ALLOWED TO DO A MOTHER-IN-LAW APARTMENT FOR YOUR MOTHER,
11:03:33AM SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
11:03:34AM FRANKLY, WE HAVE A HUGER HOUSING CRISIS GOING ON IN THE CITY
11:03:37AM OF TAMPA.
11:03:38AM IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WEST TAMPA OR EAST TAMPA, ANYBODY
11:03:42AM WHO HAD A HOUSE WITH A GARAGE, THE GARAGE IMMEDIATELY CLOSED
11:03:45AM IN AND MADE AN APARTMENT OUT OF.
11:03:47AM IT'S BEEN GOING ON.
11:03:49AM MY GRANDMOTHER BUILT THE OLD GLORY GROCERY IN 1950 ON THE
11:03:51AM CORNER OF HABANA AND TAMPA BAY, WHICH IS NOW A RESTAURANT,
11:03:52AM AND THROUGHOUT THAT WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD, SHE BOUGHT A HOUSE A
11:03:56AM FEW BLOCKS AWAY CLOSER TO ST. JOE'S, WHICH DIDN'T EXIST AT
11:04:02AM THE TIME.
11:04:03AM SHE MADE FIVE APARTMENTS OUT OF ONE HOUSE.
11:04:05AM THIS WAS 1950.
11:04:06AM NO CODE ENFORCEMENT.
11:04:07AM THERE'S NO RULES OR REGULATIONS.
11:04:09AM SHE JUST DID IT.
11:04:10AM THEY ARE THERE EVEN TODAY.
11:04:12AM SHE'S ALLOWING FIVE PEOPLE TO RENT A PLACE FOR UNDER A
11:04:18AM THOUSAND BUCKS A MONTH.
11:04:20AM NICE CLEAN WITH A RESTROOM, KITCHEN.
11:04:22AM WHOLE NINE YARDS.
11:04:23AM THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CITY WHERE WE
11:04:25AM CAN INCREASE HOUSING.
11:04:26AM TALK ABOUT DENSITY AND SO FORTH, FOR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION
11:04:33AM AND TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO LIVE IN A NICE STRUCTURE THAT'S
11:04:38AM WALKABLE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
11:04:39AM THE ONLY WAY THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS IF YOU LOOSEN THE
11:04:42AM OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE ACCESSORY, EVEN IN MY OWN
11:04:46AM NEIGHBORHOOD.
11:04:48AM WE PROBABLY HAVE A THIRD OF ALL THE HOUSES HAVE CLOSED IN
11:04:51AM THEIR GARAGES AND MADE APARTMENTS.
11:04:53AM HALF OF THE PEOPLE HAVE GONE TO CITY COUNCIL AND GOTTEN
11:04:55AM APPROVAL TO CONTINUE ON BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN THERE AS AN
11:04:58AM APARTMENT FOR 30, 40 YEARS.
11:05:00AM OTHER PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE EXPENSE AND THE
11:05:03AM HASSLE BECAUSE IT IS VERY EXPENSIVE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE
11:05:06AM PROCESS OF GETTING THE PERMITS AND COMING TO CITY COUNCIL.
11:05:10AM I'M DOING ST. JOE'S CATHOLIC CHURCH.
11:05:14AM IT WAS A PD FOR CHURCH AND SCHOOL.
11:05:16AM CHURCH IS 120 YEARS OLD.
11:05:17AM SO THEY ARE ADDING 300-SQUARE-FOOT BATHROOM.
11:05:20AM I HAD TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE DESIGN EXCEPTION -- WHAT WAS
11:05:25AM THE PROCESS?
11:05:25AM SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE FOR A PD FOR A TOILET.
11:05:30AM FOR ST. JOSEPH.
11:05:32AM COSTING THE CHURCH AND THE DIOCESE OF ST. PETERSBURG
11:05:35AM THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO ADD A BATHROOM.
11:05:39AM THESE ARE EXCEPTIONS THAT YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU
11:05:42AM TWEAK THE RULES THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
11:05:46AM I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE OUR CITY IS 150
11:05:52AM YEARS OLD.
11:05:54AM LOT OF NOOKS AND CRANNIES THAT YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER AND
11:05:56AM PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE.
11:05:58AM I WANTED TO OFFER THOSE EXAMPLES, REAL-LIFE EXAMPLES FOR YOU
11:06:03AM TO THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
11:06:04AM THANK YOU.
11:06:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:06:05AM MR. COTTON, DO YOU NEED ANY DIRECTION FROM US OR DO WE WAIT
11:06:08AM FOR YOU TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND COME BACK IN JULY?
11:06:12AM >>ERIC COTTON: NO, SIR.
11:06:14AM WE HAVE WHAT COUNCIL ARE GOING TO MAKE REGARDING THE PDs,
11:06:17AM SPECIAL USE AND SUCH, WE WILL BE BACK, HAVE OUR PUBLIC
11:06:21AM MEETINGS IN MARCH, BE BACK IN APRIL WITH THE LANGUAGE FOR
11:06:23AM THE ACTUAL CODE LANGUAGE FOR THE TRANSMITTAL TO THE PLANNING
11:06:25AM COMMISSION.
11:06:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:06:27AM >>ERIC COTTON: THANK YOU.
11:06:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT'S 11:06.
11:06:31AM AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR WORKSHOP.
11:06:33AM MR. SHELBY, DID I MISS ANYTHING BEFORE I GO TO NEW BUSINESS?
11:06:37AM NO.
11:06:38AM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, DO YOU HAVE NEW BUSINESS?
11:06:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
11:06:41AM JUST A SHOUT-OUT TO THESE GOOD PEOPLE, THE PRESERVATION
11:06:45AM ROUNDTABLE THAT LINDA SAUL-SENA, I WOULD IMAGINE IT WAS HER,
11:06:49AM TO CRAIG SMITH, LOUIS MARTINEZ FOR WORKING WITH THE
11:06:54AM ENHANCEMENT TEAM.
11:06:54AM THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN RIVER HEIGHTS.
11:06:59AM CLEANED UP AN ALLEY AND DONE SOME WORK AND A SHOUT-OUT TO
11:07:03AM SAY THANK YOU TO THEM.
11:07:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:07:05AM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
11:07:05AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
11:07:06AM I GOT A REQUEST FROM TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT THE
11:07:10AM FOLLOWING REPORTS BE CONTINUED FROM THE MARCH 28th AGENDA
11:07:16AM TO APRIL 18.
11:07:18AM APRIL 4 IS AN OPTION IF NEEDED.
11:07:21AM IT WAS NUMBER 1, ADMINISTRATION TO REPORT ON IDEAS, HOW TO
11:07:25AM COMBAT VIOLENT CRIME THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
11:07:28AM AND THEN FOR TPD AND TFR TO PRESENT THE ANNUAL REPORT ON THE
11:07:33AM PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN.
11:07:34AM THEY CAME TO ME BECAUSE I MADE BOTH OF THOSE.
11:07:36AM I'M OKAY WITH THAT IF COUNCIL IS.
11:07:38AM APRIL 4th OR APRIL 18.
11:07:40AM LET'S DO APRIL 18.
11:07:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
11:07:46AM VIERA.
11:07:47AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
11:07:48AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:07:49AM AYE.
11:07:49AM ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
11:07:50AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
11:07:51AM I ALSO GOT A REQUEST FROM RUGINA CASTILLO, THE CITY OF TAMPA
11:07:55AM IS BEGINNING THAT NEW PROGRAM OF INTERNSHIPS FOR INDIVIDUALS
11:08:00AM WITH INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES.
11:08:02AM SHE WANTED TO COME AND SPEAK ON IT BRIEFLY, PROBABLY LIKE
11:08:05AM FIVE MINUTES ON THE MARCH 28 AGENDA, IF SHE MAY.
11:08:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
11:08:11AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:08:13AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:08:13AM AYE.
11:08:14AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:08:15AM >>LUIS VIERA: LASTLY, IF I MAY, I SENT OUT A MEMO ON THE
11:08:18AM RACIAL RECONCILIATION COMMITTEE.
11:08:21AM IT'S KIND OF CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I TALKED ABOUT AT COUNCIL
11:08:26AM LAST WEEK.
11:08:29AM WE CAN TALK ON IT.
11:08:31AM THE SECTIONS I TALKED TO A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY
11:08:34AM ON THIS ET CETERA.
11:08:36AM INCLUDING MR. HIRSCH WHO PUSHED THIS ON THIS ISSUE.
11:08:41AM WHAT I SUGGEST WE DO IS TO -- OF COURSE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT
11:08:45AM THE SECTIONS AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS THE TEN
11:08:49AM SUGGESTIONS, NOT THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, IS WE DO A VOTE.
11:08:52AM AGAIN, IF COUNCIL IS SUPPORTIVE OF IT, SUPPORTING THE IDEA.
11:08:56AM AND THEN REQUESTING THAT THE ADMINISTRATION GET BACK WITH US
11:08:59AM ON THEIR POSITION ON IT.
11:09:02AM THAT'S IT.
11:09:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I READ YOUR MEMO, AND I'M HAPPY TO
11:09:08AM SUPPORT IT.
11:09:09AM I THINK YOU DID YOUR DUE DILIGENCE IN THE DIFFERENT TALKING
11:09:14AM POINTS.
11:09:14AM I KNOW THE RESOLUTION THAT WAS BROUGHT FORTH BY A PREVIOUS
11:09:19AM COUNCIL MEMBER BACK IN THE FALL OF 2020, MEMBERS OF THE
11:09:25AM PUBLIC HAVE REQUESTED THIS COMMISSION, WE CAN EXPLORE IT,
11:09:30AM AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SUPPORT IT.
11:09:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I COMMEND YOU AS WELL BECAUSE I AGREE.
11:09:38AM I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE PROBABLY NEED TO PULL THE
11:09:42AM ADMINISTRATION INTO TO GET THEIR BUY-IN AND SUPPORT BECAUSE
11:09:46AM WE KNOW HOW THIS PROCESS WORKS.
11:09:48AM I THINK THE INTENT IS REALLY WELL THOUGHT OUT.
11:09:51AM I THINK YOUR POINTS ARE REALLY WELL THOUGHT OUT AND I
11:09:53AM APPRECIATE YOU PUSHING THIS AGENDA.
11:09:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
11:09:55AM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
11:09:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANT TO SAY I AGREE.
11:09:58AM THANK YOU FOR THE MEMO.
11:09:59AM THANK YOU FOR GETTING THIS STARTED.
11:10:01AM OR RATHER GOING FORWARD WITH IT.
11:10:04AM AFTER OUR LAST CONVERSATION THAT SEEMED TO BE WHAT WE NEED
11:10:07AM TO DO NEXT WAS TO MEET WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AND SEE WHAT
11:10:10AM THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE.
11:10:11AM SO THANK YOU.
11:10:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
11:10:13AM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
11:10:14AM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, JUST IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THIS,
11:10:20AM WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IT THAT MUCH, BUT I WILL SAY THAT
11:10:25AM WHAT THE RESOLUTION SAYS IS THAT WE WOULD SUPPORT A
11:10:29AM COMMISSION, NOT THAT WE WOULD CREATE ONE, AND IT WAS CREATED
11:10:32AM BY COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES WHO THEN WAS PUSHED OUT OF THE CITY.
11:10:37AM THAT'S WHY NOTHING HAPPENED AFTER THAT.
11:10:42AM SO THE IMPLICATION IN SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS WE
11:10:47AM HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING TO HELP THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY
11:10:50AM OR EAST TAMPA, AND WE KNOW THE OPPOSITE OF THAT.
11:10:52AM SO I DON'T WANT ANY IMPLICATION TO BE THAT THIS COMMITTEE IS
11:10:57AM GOING TO SOLVE ALL ISSUES BECAUSE WE DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES
11:11:00AM ALL THE TIME.
11:11:02AM AND WE HAVE FOR THE FIVE YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL.
11:11:05AM THE OTHER THING IS I THINK THAT THE AGENDA, THE AGENDA ITEMS
11:11:12AM THAT YOU SUGGEST WOULD BE A GOOD STARTING POINT.
11:11:14AM WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT YOU ASK THE COMMITTEE TO
11:11:18AM DECIDE WHAT THEY THINK THE AGENDA SHOULD BE AND THEN THEY
11:11:22AM CAN ADDRESS IT.
11:11:24AM I WANT TO REMIND THE PUBLIC AND EVERYONE FOUR YEARS AGO, I
11:11:27AM PROPOSED AND YOU ALL SUPPORTED THE CREATION OF AN ECONOMIC
11:11:30AM ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT WAS SUPPORTED BY USF IN DATA, AND
11:11:35AM THE DATA FOR THAT IS ONLINE.
11:11:37AM YOU CAN GOOGLE TAMPA ECONOMIC ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THE
11:11:40AM ADMINISTRATION DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THE DATA.
11:11:42AM I'M NOT VERY HOPEFUL THAT ANYTHING WILL COME OF THIS.
11:11:46AM WE'VE HAD A STRUGGLE BEING ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THINGS.
11:11:49AM SO THE ISSUE IS NOT THAT WE'RE NOT AWARE OF ISSUES AND DON'T
11:11:52AM WANT TO DO THINGS, IT'S THAT WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME
11:11:55AM IMPLEMENTING IT.
11:11:56AM I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT THE CHARTER SAYS ANY MORE
11:11:58AM ABOUT CREATION OF COMMITTEES, WITH ALL THE FIGHTS THAT HAVE
11:12:02AM GONE ON OVER THE YEARS FOR THE PEACE AND GOODWILL, IT'S GOOD
11:12:05AM TO GET ADVICE.
11:12:05AM I THINK ANYTIME WE SET UP A COMMITTEE OR WE SUGGEST SETTING
11:12:08AM UP A COMMITTEE IT SHOULD AT A MINIMUM HAVE ONE APPOINTEE
11:12:11AM FROM EACH CITY COUNCIL MEMBER TO MAKE SURE WE REFLECT THE
11:12:15AM DIVERSITY WE SEE IN THE COMMUNITY.
11:12:17AM ANY COMMITTEE WE SET UP THAT DOES NOT HAVE ONE, IT ENDS UP
11:12:21AM NOT REPRESENTING THE COMMUNITY.
11:12:23AM WE WILL MAKE SURE INDIVIDUALLY THAT WE ARE FILLING IN THE
11:12:26AM GAPS ON WHAT WE SEE IN THE COMMUNITY.
11:12:29AM IF IN DISCUSSION WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, IF THEY WANT TO
11:12:32AM ADD PEOPLE, FINE.
11:12:33AM BUT WE SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST ONE FOR EACH CITY COUNCIL
11:12:35AM MEMBER.
11:12:36AM THANK YOU.
11:12:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
11:12:37AM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, YOU'LL TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS?
11:12:40AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
11:12:41AM A COUPLE OF THINGS.
11:12:43AM I DON'T RECALL WHO FIRST MENTIONED COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:12:46AM I DID NOT MENTION HIM IN THE FIRST ONE.
11:12:48AM I'M ALWAYS ABOUT GIVING PEOPLE CREDIT.
11:12:49AM HE OBVIOUSLY BROUGHT THIS UP I GUESS FOUR YEARS AGO.
11:12:53AM I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT I THINK THAT IS VERY, VERY
11:12:55AM IMPORTANT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE.
11:12:57AM WITH REGARDS TO THE IDEA THAT WE'LL SOLVE ALL ISSUES,
11:13:02AM ET CETERA, OBVIOUSLY THIS ISN'T GOING TO DO THIS.
11:13:05AM I HIGHLIGHTED A NUMBER OF ISSUES, SOME OF WHICH HAVE BEEN
11:13:09AM ADDRESSED IN A ROBUST WAY, SOME OF WHICH HAVEN'T GOTTEN
11:13:12AM THERE YET.
11:13:13AM WE HAVE A NUMBER OF YEARS WHERE WE CAN DO THAT.
11:13:15AM FOR THE RECORD, IN GOING THROUGH THESE ISSUES, I'VE SPOKEN
11:13:19AM WITH TOBA.
11:13:20AM ALSO MEETING WITH TOBA ON THIS AGAIN SOON.
11:13:23AM URBAN LEAGUE, DARRYL HIRSCH, FLORIDA RISING, ROBIN LOCKETT,
11:13:28AM AMONG OTHER INDIVIDUALS IN THE COMMUNITY.
11:13:31AM I WANT TO MAKE SURE I GOT INPUT BEFORE GOING THERE.
11:13:34AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON BRINGS UP THE MEMBERSHIP.
11:13:37AM MY PERSONAL FEELING WAS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE SEVEN FROM
11:13:40AM COUNCIL WITH EACH COUNCIL MEMBER PROPOSING ONE.
11:13:44AM MAYBE WE GET SOME FROM THE ADMINISTRATION, SIX, WHATEVER IT
11:13:48AM MAY BE, AGAIN TO BE CONSIDERED.
11:13:50AM MAYBE WE COULD HAVE A SEAT, WHATEVER THE NUMBER WOULD BE
11:13:53AM FOR, YOU KNOW, URBAN LEAGUE, NAACP, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
11:13:57AM AGAIN, TALKING OFF THE CUFF.
11:14:00AM I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE WISHES TO SPEAK BEFORE I MAKE
11:14:03AM THE MOTION.
11:14:04AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ATTORNEY SHELBY, CAN YOU SPEAK TO
11:14:06AM RESOLUTION 568 AND EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC HOW IT WAS DRAFTED,
11:14:10AM WHO DRAFTED IT, WHERE DID THE LANGUAGE COME FROM BEFORE IT
11:14:13AM WAS APPROVED BY THE PREVIOUS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS?
11:14:18AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
11:14:19AM I WAS APPROACHED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES WITH MODEL LANGUAGE.
11:14:24AM HE AND I WORKED TOGETHER IN MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT
11:14:28AM COUNCIL'S PROCESS WOULD BE AND WHAT COUNCIL WISHED TO DO AND
11:14:33AM WHAT HE ULTIMATELY WISHED TO HAVE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL.
11:14:36AM AND THAT'S WHAT WAS BROUGHT FORTH.
11:14:38AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU DRAFTED IT WITH THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL
11:14:42AM MEMBER GUDES.
11:14:43AM AND THEN IT WAS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD.
11:14:44AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
11:14:45AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SPEAK ON SECTION 3 IN TERMS OF WHAT I SAID
11:14:50AM LAST WEEK AND NOW COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON ALSO STATED
11:14:54AM REGARDING SECTION 3 INDICATING THAT WE WOULD SUPPORT THE
11:15:02AM CREATION OF IDEAS COMING TO US THAT WE WOULD SUPPORT THAT OR
11:15:08AM BE IN FAVOR OF SUPPORTING THAT AS IT RELATES TO A COMMITTEE.
11:15:12AM DOES IT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT US CREATING A COMMITTEE?
11:15:15AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO.
11:15:17AM SPECIFICALLY IT DOES SAY THE WORD SUPPORT AS OPPOSED TO THE
11:15:19AM WORD CREATE.
11:15:21AM PART OF THAT WAS COUNCIL'S ROLE AS THE LEGISLATIVE BODY OF
11:15:24AM THE CITY WHERE YOU HAVE THE MAYOR AS THE CHIEF
11:15:29AM ADMINISTRATOR.
11:15:30AM AND WHAT CAME UPON AT THE TIME WAS, FOR INSTANCE, THE WAY
11:15:35AM THE CHARTER REVIEW WAS STRUCTURED WITH THE FULL
11:15:39AM PARTICIPATION OF THE ADMINISTRATION AND ALSO THE SUPPORT
11:15:42AM THAT WAS NECESSARY TO HAVE A CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AS
11:15:48AM OPPOSED, LET'S SAY, COUNCIL'S EXPERIENCE WITH THE COUNCIL
11:15:50AM CREATING THE CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THE LACK
11:15:56AM OF, LET'S SAY, FOR INSTANCE, ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT FOR THAT
11:16:01AM AND THE FACT THAT IT WAS COUNCIL'S RESPONSIBILITY AND THE
11:16:04AM COUNCIL CERTAINLY DID NOT HAVE THE BUDGET OR THE STAFFING TO
11:16:07AM BE ABLE TO REALLY EFFECTUATE IT UNTIL WE WERE ABLE TO AND
11:16:12AM COUNCIL DID THAT, SEEK THE CLERK TO GET MORE INVOLVED.
11:16:15AM SO WITH THE STRUCTURE OF THE CITY THE WAY IT WAS, THAT WAS
11:16:19AM PUT FORTH TO COUNCIL IN A WAY THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO EXPRESS
11:16:24AM WHAT COUNCIL'S DESIRE WAS, AND THEN PERHAPS THEN MOVE
11:16:28AM FORWARD IN SOME FORM OR FASHION DOWN THE ROAD TO BE ABLE TO
11:16:32AM SEE WHAT COULD BE DONE TO HAVE A COMMITTEE THAT COUNCIL
11:16:35AM COULD SUPPORT.
11:16:36AM DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?
11:16:41AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SOMEWHAT, YES.
11:16:42AM MY LAST QUESTION IS WHEN IT STATED THAT WE WILL WORK WITH
11:16:51AM STAFF REGARDING RESOLUTION 568 THAT WAS STATED UP HERE JUST
11:16:55AM A FEW MOMENTS AGO, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN TERMS OF THIS
11:17:01AM COUNCIL.
11:17:02AM WHAT STAFF ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?
11:17:03AM WHO WOULD THIS BOARD WORK WITH REGARDING RESOLUTION 568?
11:17:09AM IS THAT DIRECT COMMUNICATION WITH THE MAYOR?
11:17:10AM BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T SIGN OFF ON RESOLUTION 568.
11:17:14AM THAT WAS A COUNCIL DECISION.
11:17:17AM WHAT WOULD BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF STAFF REGARDING THIS
11:17:21AM RESOLUTION?
11:17:22AM AND WHEN WE SAY WORK WITH THEM, WHO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?
11:17:25AM THAT COULD BE FOR ANYBODY ON THE DAIS OR OUR ATTORNEY.
11:17:32AM >>LUIS VIERA: THE DETAILS ARE TO BE DEVELOPED.
11:17:36AM THAT'S WHY I'M GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION TO WORK WITH THE
11:17:39AM ADMINISTRATION AND TO HAVE THEM COME BACK ON THEIR IDEAS AND
11:17:42AM THEIR POSITION ON THIS.
11:17:45AM YEAH, SO THAT HASN'T BEEN FLESHED OUT YET REALLY.
11:17:49AM THE WAY -- I HAVE THE WAY I WOULD ENVISION IT, RIGHT, BUT IN
11:17:58AM TERMS OF THE PROCEDURE ON IT, BUT THERE'S OBVIOUSLY MORE
11:18:03AM DIALOGUE THAT'S NEEDED ON THIS.
11:18:05AM BUT I THINK IF WE SET THE SHIP SAILING RIGHT NOW, SEND IT
11:18:11AM OFF TO THE ADMINISTRATION AND HAVE THEM COME BACK TO US IN A
11:18:13AM FEW WEEKS WITH THEIR POSITION, AND WE FINALIZE IT, WE CAN
11:18:18AM GET THIS THING SAILING IN MY OPINION.
11:18:19AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ARE YOU SAYING SEND IT TO THE MAYOR'S
11:18:22AM OFFICE? WHEN YOU SAY YOU ARE SENDING IT TO THEM, WHAT ARE
11:18:25AM YOU SENDING TO THEM SPECIFICALLY?
11:18:27AM >>LUIS VIERA: MY MOTION WILL BE A REQUEST FOR THE
11:18:28AM ADMINISTRATION TO REPORT TO US ON THEIR POSITION ON THIS
11:18:31AM COMMITTEE AND THE PROPOSALS MADE IN THIS MEMO.
11:18:34AM AGAIN, IF COUNCIL HAS ANY AMENDMENTS, EITHER NOW OR LATER
11:18:38AM THAT YOU WANT TO ADD, PLEASE.
11:18:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU HAVE A DATE FOR THEM TO COME
11:18:42AM BACK?
11:18:43AM >>LUIS VIERA: MARCH 28 LIKELY.
11:18:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MARCH 7 IS VERY BUSY.
11:18:48AM MARCH 28.
11:18:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK: MARCH 28 IS ALSO FULL.
11:18:53AM APRIL 4 IS GOOD.
11:18:54AM >>LUIS VIERA: THERE YOU GO.
11:18:55AM APRIL 4.
11:18:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IN THE MEANTIME WE CAN BRAINSTORM OUR
11:18:58AM OWN IDEAS SO WHEN THEY COME BACK, WE CAN REBUT, ADD.
11:19:01AM MOTION.
11:19:03AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
11:19:05AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:19:06AM AYE.
11:19:06AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:19:07AM >>LUIS VIERA: THAT'S IT.
11:19:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
11:19:11AM >> TWO THINGS.
11:19:12AM ONE, COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON MADE A STATEMENT ABOUT FORMER
11:19:16AM COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES AND I FORGOT MENTION YOU DULY WON THE
11:19:20AM ELECTION.
11:19:21AM I DIDN'T MEAN TO NOT MISREPRESENT THAT.
11:19:23AM NUMBER TWO IS TO THIS POINT, COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, ONE OF MY
11:19:34AM SUGGESTIONS WAS THAT YOU DEFINE, JUST USE THOSE POINTS AS A
11:19:38AM STARTING POINT AND ASK THEM WHAT THEY THINK THEY SHOULD
11:19:41AM MEASURE.
11:19:42AM THEY MIGHT START WITH STUFF FROM THE ECONOMIC ADVISORY
11:19:44AM COMMITTEE ALSO BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF DATA THAT USF WORKED
11:19:47AM ON THERE.
11:19:48AM THAT WAS A BIG GROUP OF DIVERSE PEOPLE MEETING SIX TIMES.
11:19:51AM THE OTHER THING, THOUGH, HAVING SERVED ON THE CHARTER REVIEW
11:19:54AM COMMISSION, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND CONFUSION
11:19:56AM ABOUT WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO.
11:19:58AM WE HAD INSTRUCTIONS FROM CITY COUNCIL, BUT STILL WAS
11:20:01AM ARGUMENT AND DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
11:20:03AM WHAT WE MIGHT WANT TO DO, JUST A SUGGESTION, AS A FIRST
11:20:07AM STEP, ONCE THE COMMITTEE IS APPOINTED WE MIGHT WANT TO ADD
11:20:09AM THEM TO THE WORKSHOP LIST AND JUST HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH
11:20:12AM THEM BEFORE THEY START ABOUT EXPECTATIONS BECAUSE THE ONE
11:20:17AM THING I'M WORRIED ABOUT, ESPECIALLY WITH EXPERIENCE WITH THE
11:20:19AM LAST ONE, HIGH EXPECTATIONS FOR HOW THINGS WOULD CHANGE AND
11:20:22AM NOTHING REALLY HAPPENED.
11:20:23AM SO WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT, FIRST OF ALL, WHAT EVERYBODY
11:20:27AM THINKS SHOULD BE INCLUDED AND DISCUSSED, HOW IT WILL BE
11:20:30AM MEASURED.
11:20:30AM BUT THEN AT THE END, IT'S ALL ABOUT HOW YOU TURN INTO POLICY
11:20:33AM AND RESOURCES.
11:20:34AM WE NEED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
11:20:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FAIR ENOUGH.
11:20:37AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:20:37AM THAT WILL BE COMING BACK APRIL 4th.
11:20:39AM THAT WAS UNANIMOUS YES VOTE.
11:20:42AM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, DO YOU HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS?
11:20:44AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I DO NOT.
11:20:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
11:20:47AM ONE, MOSTLY THANKING PEOPLE.
11:20:49AM THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN VIERA, FOR, AGAIN, PUSHING THIS
11:20:53AM FORWARD.
11:20:53AM I THINK IT IS CLEAR TO ANYBODY THAT LIVES IN NOT JUST THE
11:20:56AM CITY OF TAMPA BUT OUR SOCIETY KNOWING THAT WE HAVE SYSTEMIC
11:20:59AM ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS.
11:21:00AM I THINK THAT PURSUING THIS AGENDA IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY
11:21:04AM HELPFUL FOR THE COMMUNITY, VERY HELPFUL FOR CITIZENS THAT
11:21:07AM LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:21:08AM AND IT WILL BE HELPFUL FOR THE CITY GOVERNMENT.
11:21:10AM SO I URGE THE ADMINISTRATION TO JUMP ON BOARD AND HELP US
11:21:14AM PUSH FORWARD WITH THIS AGENDA.
11:21:16AM ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN VIERA, FOR BRINGING THIS
11:21:19AM FORWARD.
11:21:19AM IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS CONCRETE THAT WE CAN ACT ON BECAUSE I
11:21:22AM KNOW WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION.
11:21:25AM BUT NICE TO HAVE SOMETHING CONCRETE WE CAN WORK WITH.
11:21:27AM ON CITY STAFF, I KNOW A LOT OF WORK WENT INTO THE
11:21:30AM PRESENTATION TODAY.
11:21:31AM I WANT TO THANK THEM, LAND DEVELOPMENT, CODE ENFORCEMENT,
11:21:33AM LEGAL STAFF, I THINK THEY DID A GREAT JOB TODAY.
11:21:36AM I REALLY COMMEND THE PRESENTATION.
11:21:41AM AGAIN, I KNOW WHEN WE SOMETIMES ASK FOR WORK FROM STAFF,
11:21:43AM THEY'LL COME FORWARD, YOU KNOW -- WE -- IT TAKES US 30
11:21:48AM SECONDS TO ASK FOR SOMETHING AND IT TAKES THEM WEEKS TO
11:21:51AM PREPARE AND REACT TO WHAT WE DO.
11:21:53AM IT WAS EVIDENT IN THE TYPE OF INFORMATION THEY PROVIDED
11:21:56AM TODAY.
11:21:56AM I THINK IT'S SOMETHING, BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD THESE ISSUES
11:21:59AM COME BEFORE COUNCIL SO MANY TIMES.
11:22:01AM IT'S NICE TO HAVE THIS TYPE OF PRESENTATION THAT ANSWERS
11:22:04AM THOSE QUESTIONS.
11:22:06AM I REALLY APPRECIATE STAFF IN DOING THAT.
11:22:08AM THE OTHER THING IS I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY THAT REACHED
11:22:10AM OUT TO ME THE PAST WEEK.
11:22:12AM I'VE GOTTEN OVERWHELMING LOVE AND SUPPORT.
11:22:15AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:22:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:22:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO ACTUAL BUSINESS, BUT I WOULD LIKE EVERYONE
11:22:19AM TO LOOK AT THE MARCH 7 CALENDAR.
11:22:21AM WE HAVE THREE COMMENDATIONS.
11:22:23AM WE HAVE TWO CONTINUED REVIEW HEARINGS, A NEW REVIEW HEARING,
11:22:27AM AND THEN 13 STAFF REPORTS AND UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
11:22:34AM WE WILL BE HERE ALL NIGHT.
11:22:36AM I'M GOING TO ASK, A, IF STAFF HAS THINGS TO CONTINUE, LET US
11:22:39AM KNOW AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
11:22:40AM OTHERWISE, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU SEE ON HERE THAT
11:22:42AM YOU DON'T WANT ANYMORE THAT NEEDS TO GO AWAY, I JUST THINK
11:22:46AM IT'S A GOOD IDEA THAT WE TAKE A QUICK PEEK.
11:22:48AM AGAIN, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE RIGHT NOW.
11:22:50AM I'M JUST GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO THAT BECAUSE THIS IS
11:22:53AM GOING TO BE A REALLY LONG DAY OTHERWISE.
11:22:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I LOVE BEING HERE.
11:22:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DO, TOO.
11:22:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LIAR, LIAR, LIAR.
11:23:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT WE ARE REALLY, REALLY TRYING TO GET TO
11:23:05AM TEN ITEMS PER SESSION.
11:23:07AM WE'RE AT 13, PLUS THESE REVIEW HEARINGS AND THE
11:23:11AM COMMENDATION.
11:23:13AM I JUST -- I DON'T KNOW.
11:23:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WAS GOING TO SEE MY MOM FOR LUNCH BUT
11:23:19AM I SAID I'LL STAY AT CITY HALL TO TONIGHT.
11:23:22AM I'M COMMITTED.
11:23:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FORGOT TO REMIND EVERYBODY, BUDGET ANALYST
11:23:27AM POSITION.
11:23:27AM WE RECEIVED THE QUESTIONNAIRES FROM THE 12 APPLICANTS.
11:23:30AM ALL THOSE QUESTIONNAIRES, EVERYBODY HERE SHOULD HAVE
11:23:33AM RECEIVED THOSE.
11:23:34AM WE'RE EXPECTING EVERYBODY TO HAVE RANKED ONE THROUGH 12,
11:23:38AM THOSE BY FRIDAY.
11:23:40AM AND ONCE THOSE RANKINGS ARE RECEIVED, STAFF IS GOING TO
11:23:43AM COMPILE TO GET US TO OUR INTERVIEW LIST.
11:23:46AM I JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYBODY TO SUBMIT THOSE.
11:23:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'M GOING TO SUBMIT THOSE BY THIS
11:23:50AM AFTERNOON.
11:23:50AM THANK YOU.
11:23:51AM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
11:23:52AM >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE A FEW, JUST FROM THINGS THAT HAVE
11:23:57AM COME UP.
11:23:57AM I WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE DR. SHIVENDU SPEAK TODAY.
11:24:03AM HE AND HIS TEAM NEED MORE TIME TO DIG INTO NUMBERS.
11:24:07AM THAT COULD HAVE BEEN A PRELUDE TO THE HOUSING DISCUSSION
11:24:10AM NEXT WEEK.
11:24:11AM I THINK WE OUGHT TO PUT A 15- TO 30-MINUTE DISCUSSION AT THE
11:24:14AM BEGINNING OF THE WORKSHOP NEXT WEEK TO TALK ABOUT WHAT OUR
11:24:18AM GOALS ARE BECAUSE WE GET THROWN ALL KINDS OF NUMBERS, BUT WE
11:24:22AM DON'T HAVE CONSENSUS ABOUT WHAT WE THINK THE GOALS ARE.
11:24:25AM THE MAYOR, FOR EXAMPLE, SET A GOAL OF 10,000 HOMES.
11:24:30AM I'VE TALKED ABOUT THE HOME OWNERSHIP RATE.
11:24:33AM WE COULD TRY TO TIE IT BACK TO MEETING HOUSEHOLD -- MEDIAN
11:24:39AM HOUSEHOLD INCOME, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
11:24:42AM I THINK WE NEED A DISCUSSION AT THE START OF THE MEETING TO
11:24:44AM TALK ABOUT OUR GOALS BEFORE WE HAVE THE OTHER DISCUSSIONS.
11:24:47AM WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO GUIDE THE DISCUSSION BY WHAT WE THINK
11:24:51AM THE GOALS ARE.
11:24:52AM OUTCOME ORIENTED, NOT OUTPUT.
11:24:54AM NOT HOW MANY GRANTS WE PROCESS.
11:24:56AM IT'S HOW WE'RE MOVING SOME OF THE BIGGER NUMBERS.
11:24:59AM I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADD AN AGENDA ITEM FOR THE
11:25:02AM START THE BEGINNING OF THE HOUSING WORKSHOP NEXT WEEK FOR
11:25:05AM THE CHAIR TO LEAD A DISCUSSION AND BUILD CONSENSUS AS TO THE
11:25:10AM OUTCOME GOALS THAT COUNCIL HAS RELATED TO HOUSING.
11:25:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
11:25:14AM CARLSON.
11:25:15AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
11:25:16AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:25:17AM AYE.
11:25:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANTED TO SPEAK ON THE MOTION.
11:25:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ME TOO.
11:25:21AM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
11:25:25AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
11:25:25AM THE ONLY THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S
11:25:30AM COMING.
11:25:30AM I'LL BE HONEST, I THINK THAT IS A MUCH LONGER DISCUSSION
11:25:33AM THAN 15 TO 30 MINUTES.
11:25:35AM THE ONLY THING I MIGHT ADD, IF EACH OF US COMES WITH THREE
11:25:42AM GOALS JUST SO WE'RE NOT STARTING FROM SCRATCH.
11:25:47AM IS THAT A GOOD AMENDMENT?
11:25:50AM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, WE COULD DO THAT ANYWAY.
11:25:52AM THE IDEA IS THAT WE ARE THE ONES THAT SET THE POLICY, SO WE
11:25:56AM SHOULD DRIVE THE AGENDA INSTEAD OF JUST HEARING WHATEVER
11:25:59AM STAFF PRESENTS.
11:26:00AM IT MAY BE THAT WE'LL ALL AGREE.
11:26:03AM BUT AT LEAST IT GIVES US A CHANCE TO PUT ON THE TABLE SOME
11:26:05AM OF OUR IDEAS.
11:26:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
11:26:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MY CONCERN REGARDING THE WHOLE HOUSING
11:26:10AM DISCUSSION IS HOW DO WE COMBAT THE LARGE CORPORATIONS AND
11:26:15AM INVESTORS THAT COME IN WITH CASH AND BUY STUFF UP AND TURN
11:26:19AM THEM INTO RENTAL PROPERTIES AND THEREFORE DEFEATING THE
11:26:23AM PURPOSE OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOME OWNERSHIP, WHICH IS THE PATH
11:26:25AM TO THE AMERICAN DREAM, IN MY OPINION.
11:26:27AM WE GET A LOT OF PASSIONATE PUBLIC COMMENT, AND PEOPLE ARE
11:26:30AM RIGHT.
11:26:31AM THERE IS A MAJOR HOUSING CRISIS IN TAMPA THAT I'VE NEVER
11:26:34AM SEEN IN MY LIFETIME.
11:26:36AM YOU WANT TO BUY A HOUSE IN WEST TAMPA, FOR AS LONG AS I
11:26:38AM COULD REMEMBER AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU BOUGHT YOUR HOUSE
11:26:42AM YEARS BEFORE, BUT $110,000 FOR MY TIME THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL
11:26:48AM AND COLLEGE, YOU COULD GET A HOUSE IN WEST TAMPA.
11:26:50AM ON OHIO STREET, ON WOODLAWN.
11:26:53AM IT WAS ALWAYS LIKE THAT.
11:26:55AM WANTED 3,000-SQUARE-FOOT HOME, 130,000.
11:26:58AM MAYBE A SWIMMING POOL, $140,000.
11:27:01AM NOW THOSE HOUSES, BECAUSE ONE WAS MY GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE ON
11:27:05AM OSBORNE AND ARMENIA, SOLD THE HOUSE IN 1997 FOR ABOUT
11:27:08AM $130,000.
11:27:09AM 3,000 SQUARE FEET WITH A SWIMMING POOL.
11:27:12AM WISH I COULD BUY IT TODAY.
11:27:14AM I LEARNED HOW TO SWIM IN THAT POOL, TIE MY SHOES.
11:27:18AM THAT HOUSE ON ZILLOW 8 OR 850 THOUSAND DOLLARS.
11:27:23AM HOW -- WORKING CLASS, MIDDLE-CLASS WEST TAMPA, A LOT OF THE
11:27:26AM PEOPLE THERE WHEN I WAS A KID STILL THERE TODAY.
11:27:30AM THEY BOUGHT THEIR HOUSES FOR A LOT LESS.
11:27:33AM IT'S CRAZY.
11:27:33AM WE TALK ABOUT BLACK ROCK, BLACK STONE, ALL THESE
11:27:38AM CORPORATIONS THAT ARE COMING IN, LIKE TURNING INTO AIRBNB
11:27:41AM PROPERTIES, RENTAL PROPERTIES AND THEY ARE KILLING THE
11:27:43AM AMERICAN DREAM AND CREATING A RENTAL SOCIETY.
11:27:46AM I WANT TO KNOW AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS DISCUSSION,
11:27:50AM HOW DO WE, WE'VE COMMITTED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR HOUSING,
11:27:55AM FOR RENTAL ASSISTANCE, DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE.
11:27:58AM WE'RE TRYING TO FIGHT THESE BIG CORPORATIONS THAT BASICALLY,
11:28:02AM YES, IT'S A FREE MARKET, BUT IT'S UNFAIR.
11:28:06AM WE'RE TRYING TO DO WHAT WE CAN AS A COUNCIL.
11:28:08AM I KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CODE, AT LAND USE, ACCESSORY
11:28:13AM DWELLING UNITS.
11:28:14AM WE ARE IN A MAJOR BATTLE HERE.
11:28:16AM ON TOP OF THAT WE HAVE SO MANY NEW PEOPLE MOVING HERE.
11:28:20AM WE NEED TO DO WHAT WE CAN IN ORDER TO COMBAT THIS.
11:28:24AM YES, MA'AM.
11:28:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AGREE.
11:28:26AM THAT'S WHY I'M LOOKING FORWARD AND HOPING THERE IS A
11:28:29AM DISCUSSION ON COMMUNITY LAND TRUST BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY TO
11:28:31AM CONTROL THAT IS TO CONTROL THE LAND.
11:28:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YEP.
11:28:35AM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
11:28:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DISAGREE, BUT YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT.
11:28:38AM MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I HEAR YOU RIGHT, JUST A LOT OF WHAT WE DO
11:28:46AM IS THE PROVERBIAL DROP IN THE BUCKET.
11:28:48AM WE'RE FACED WITH OVERWHELMING PRESSURES ON THESE OTHER
11:28:51AM ISSUES.
11:28:52AM SOME OF THIS COULD BE FIXED BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA
11:28:53AM LEGISLATURE IF THEY CHOSE TO.
11:28:55AM OBVIOUSLY, THEY ARE NOT, AND THEY HAVEN'T TAKEN ACTION.
11:28:58AM I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA CAN DO THAT.
11:29:02AM WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON WHO DO WE REPRESENT?
11:29:04AM WE REPRESENT THE PEOPLE THAT CURRENTLY LIVE IN THE CITY OF
11:29:06AM TAMPA AND WE SHOULD BE TAKING CARE OF THE PEOPLE THAT
11:29:08AM CURRENTLY LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, NUMBER ONE, THE
11:29:10AM CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA SHOULD BE NUMBER ONE IN OUR
11:29:12AM FOCUS.
11:29:13AM A LOT OF US WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOUSING, SOME OF MY
11:29:16AM FRUSTRATION AND MAYBE SOME OF THE DISAGREEMENTS FOCUSED ON
11:29:19AM COUNCIL IS WHAT WE SEE AS THE SOLUTION TO THAT.
11:29:22AM TO ME, THE SOLUTION IS ENSURING THAT PEOPLE DON'T GET
11:29:26AM EVICTED FROM THEIR HOUSES.
11:29:28AM ENSURING THAT FOLKS, THE ELDERLY IS ABLE TO MAINTAIN THEIR
11:29:32AM HOUSE SO THEY CAN STAY IN THEIR HOUSE.
11:29:34AM GETTING THAT DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE.
11:29:36AM WE HAVE A MEMBER OF COUNCIL TODAY THAT WAS PART OF THE
11:29:38AM MAYOR'S CHALLENGE FUND.
11:29:41AM GOT INTO A HOME BECAUSE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA PROGRAM.
11:29:44AM WE NEED TO DOUBLE DOWN ON THOSE TYPES OF PROGRAMS THAT WORK
11:29:49AM AND REALLY NOT CHASE SOMETHING.
11:29:53AM MY OPINION ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING, WE'RE SPENDING LITERALLY
11:29:59AM HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, AND IT IS, AGAIN, THE DROP
11:30:03AM IN THE BUCKET.
11:30:04AM IT'S NOT REACHING IN THE WAY WE WOULD WANT TO OR INTENDED TO
11:30:08AM REACH TO THE ACTUAL PEOPLE THAT ARE CURRENTLY LIVING IN THE
11:30:10AM CITY.
11:30:11AM I THINK THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY WE CAN MAKE REALLY SIGNIFICANT
11:30:17AM GAINS FOR FOLKS BY DOUBLING DOWN, AGAIN, ON RENT ASSISTANCE
11:30:23AM BY DOUBLING DOWN ON DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE, BY HELPING
11:30:25AM PEOPLE FIX THEIR HOUSES.
11:30:27AM HELPING PEOPLE PUT ROOFS ON THEIR HOUSES.
11:30:30AM THE PAINT YOUR HEART OUT TAMPA, ONE OF OUR SPEAKERS SAID
11:30:34AM DOING AN EVENT IN PUBLIC COMMENT, DOING AN EVENT, THAT WAS
11:30:37AM SOMETHING I PARTICIPATED IN.
11:30:38AM MY SON WAS FIVE YEARS OLD AND WE WENT OUT AND DID PAINT YOUR
11:30:42AM HEART OUT TAMPA.
11:30:43AM WE DID THAT YEARS AGO AND HAVE DONE SO SUBSEQUENTLY TO THAT
11:30:46AM AS WELL.
11:30:47AM THAT'S WHAT I LOOK AT AS A VISION FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:30:49AM LET'S TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE LIVING HERE AND THEN, OF
11:30:52AM COURSE, WE HAVE RESPONSIBILITY TO GROW SMART AND TO DO WHAT
11:30:55AM WE NEED TO DO.
11:30:56AM NUMBER ONE IS THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
11:30:59AM TODAY.
11:30:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:31:01AM >>BILL CARLSON: DID WE VOTE ON THIS?
11:31:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YEAH, YOU'RE GOOD.
11:31:04AM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST TO FINISH ON THAT THOUGHT, AN EXAMPLE
11:31:06AM BASED ON WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN JUST SAID, IF YOU
11:31:09AM THINK ABOUT PAINT YOUR HEART OUT, OUTPUT WOULD BE HOW MANY
11:31:13AM HOUSES WE PAINTED.
11:31:14AM OUTCOME WOULD BE HOW MANY PEOPLE RETAIN THEIR HOMES OR WHAT
11:31:16AM THE HOME OWNERSHIP RATE IS.
11:31:18AM THE QUESTION IS, IN THE WHOLE DAY OF DISCUSSION, HOW ARE WE
11:31:22AM GOING TO MEASURE SUCCESS?
11:31:23AM WE DON'T OFTEN KNOW HOW WE ARE GOING TO MEASURE SUCCESS.
11:31:27AM THE SECOND ONE I HAVE IS THE BIGGEST QUESTION I GET, WHY ARE
11:31:31AM ROADS IN SUCH BAD SHAPE?
11:31:33AM I TALK TO VIK ALMOST EVERY DAY AND HIS TEAM.
11:31:36AM THIS IS NOT A DING ON THEM, BUT JUST FOR THE PUBLIC, I THINK
11:31:38AM WE SHOULD HAVE FIVE-MINUTE QUARTERLY UPDATES LIKE WE DO WITH
11:31:41AM D.O.T. JUST ABOUT THE STATUS OF ROAD REPAIR, AND SO -- AS TO
11:31:51AM WHAT ROADS ARE BEING REPAIRED, WHAT ROADS ARE PLANNED TO BE
11:31:55AM REPAIRED AND UPDATE ON THE STATUS OF THE ROAD REPAIR BUDGET.
11:31:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:31:59AM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:32:00AM I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
11:32:02AM I WAS AT THE NIGHT PARADE ON THE PARADE ROUTE.
11:32:07AM A LADY GOES, GUIDO, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THE
11:32:10AM ROADS, DURING THE PARADE.
11:32:13AM SO I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HER AS THE CAR KEPT GOING WITH
11:32:19AM MY WIFE IN THE BACK, I HAD TO CHASE THE CAR.
11:32:22AM I SAID WE TRIPLED THE PAVING BUDGET.
11:32:25AM IN THE LAST BUDGET WE VOTED ON, WE TRIPLED THAT PAVING
11:32:28AM BUDGET.
11:32:29AM AND THAT'S THANKS TO COUNCIL AND THE HARD WORK WITH THE
11:32:33AM FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND EVERYTHING.
11:32:34AM PEOPLE WANT THEIR ROADS PAVED.
11:32:36AM MANY OF US SUPPORTED THE ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION INITIATIVES
11:32:41AM THAT WOULD HELP GENERATE THE INCOME TO GET THE ROADS PAVED.
11:32:44AM I THINK THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE PEOPLE ASK US EVERY DAY, THE
11:32:46AM ROADS ARE TERRIBLE IN SOUTH TAMPA, HABANA IS TERRIBLE.
11:32:49AM I CAN MAKE A LIST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD BUT PEOPLE STOP ME
11:32:54AM REGULARLY.
11:32:54AM THEY WANT THE ROADS PAVED.
11:32:56AM >>BILL CARLSON: IF WE AT LEAST SHOW THEM SOME ROADS ARE
11:32:59AM GETTING PAVED AND WHY, AND WHAT THE PRIORITY --
11:33:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR?
11:33:02AM AYE.
11:33:03AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:33:04AM MIRANDA WAS THE SECOND.
11:33:07AM >>BILL CARLSON: ANOTHER ONE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DESIGN
11:33:09AM EXCEPTIONS.
11:33:10AM GOTTEN A FLOOD OF E-MAILS ABOUT THAT.
11:33:12AM I KNOW WE HAD OTHER DISCUSSIONS BEFORE.
11:33:14AM IF YOU THINK WE'VE HAD ENOUGH, VOTE NO.
11:33:16AM I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADD A DISCUSSION TO THE MAY
11:33:19AM 23rd WORKSHOP AS TO HOW AND WHY DESIGN EXCEPTIONS ARE MADE
11:33:22AM TO PROJECTS AFTER CITY COUNCIL HAS APPROVED REZONING.
11:33:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
11:33:28AM DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
11:33:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE ARE BRINGING THAT BACK WITH THE NEXT
11:33:31AM CYCLE, CORRECT?
11:33:32AM JULY.
11:33:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, HIS QUESTION IS DIFFERENT.
11:33:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THAT A SECOND?
11:33:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'LL SECOND IT.
11:33:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
11:33:42AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:33:43AM AYE.
11:33:43AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:33:44AM ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
11:33:45AM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, ANOTHER ONE, AND THIS IS NOT A DING ON
11:33:48AM ANYBODY, JUST A QUESTION, A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC ARE
11:33:51AM ASKING ME WHY ARE ALL THESE PIO POSITIONS BEING ADVERTISED
11:33:55AM AND THEY ARE ALL ABOVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
11:33:58AM I JUST WANT TO SEE WHAT THE RELATION IS TO HOW THE
11:34:02AM COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT HAS GROWN IN THE PIO POSITIONS
11:34:06AM RELATED TO THE BUDGET.
11:34:07AM AS WE'RE GETTING READY TO GO INTO BUDGET SEASON, WE NEED TO
11:34:10AM KNOW THAT.
11:34:10AM BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COST OF IT.
11:34:13AM MAKE A MOTION TO ASK THE CFO TO REPORT ON APRIL 18 AS TO THE
11:34:16AM STATUS OF THE BUDGET FOR THE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT AND
11:34:19AM THE NEW PIOs.
11:34:22AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: HOW MANY ARE THERE?
11:34:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE IS POLICE, FIRE, MAYOR'S OFFICE.
11:34:29AM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO COMMUNICATE
11:34:31AM MORE.
11:34:31AM BUT I JUST WANT TO KNOW IN RELATION TO THE BUDGET HOW WE'RE
11:34:35AM DOING.
11:34:36AM >> HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS SEEMS LIKE A LOT.
11:34:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON HAS A MOTION.
11:34:40AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, CORRECT?
11:34:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
11:34:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR?
11:34:43AM AYE.
11:34:44AM >>BILL CARLSON: ONE LAST ONE, WE HAD ACCESS TO THIS A YEAR
11:34:48AM AGO AND THEN WE STOPPED.
11:34:50AM I DON'T THINK WE EVER MADE A MOTION ABOUT IT.
11:34:52AM THE CITY NOW USES GovQA FOR PUBLIC RECORDS.
11:34:58AM FOR A WHILE, SEVERAL OF US WERE GETTING WEEKLY REPORTS ON
11:35:02AM ALL THE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS BEING MADE.
11:35:05AM IT'S AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
11:35:07AM YOU CAN PULL PUBLIC RECORDS WHICH I HAVE DONE OCCASIONALLY,
11:35:10AM BUT IT WOULD BE EASIER IF WE GOT MONTHLY REPORTS ON IT.
11:35:13AM ALL IT'S DOING IS TELLING US WHAT PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS
11:35:17AM HAVE BEEN MADE JUST SO WE KNOW.
11:35:19AM SOMETIMES THERE ARE EVEN PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS MADE ABOUT
11:35:22AM US THAT WE DON'T KNOW FOR SOME TIME.
11:35:24AM IT JUST GIVES US A LINE OF SIGHT INTO WHAT'S HAPPENING AND
11:35:28AM ALSO SEE IF THEY ARE FULFILLED.
11:35:30AM MAKE A MOTION TO ASK CITY STAFF TO PROVIDE COUNCIL WITH A
11:35:33AM MONTHLY WRITTEN REPORT, NOT IN FRONT OF COUNCIL, JUST A
11:35:36AM WRITTEN REPORT AS TO THE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS THAT HAVE
11:35:38AM BEEN MADE AND FULFILLED IN THE CITY AND/OR FULFILLED IN THE
11:35:42AM CITY FOR THE PRIOR MONTH.
11:35:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM --
11:35:45AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WOULDN'T YOU KNOW THEY ARE REQUESTING
11:35:47AM PUBLIC RECORDS ON YOU -- YOU DON'T ALWAYS KNOW.
11:35:53AM OKAY.
11:35:53AM I HAD ONE RECENTLY AND I WAS WONDERING.
11:35:55AM THAT WAS MY FIRST TIME BEING ASKED.
11:35:57AM SOMEBODY ASKING FOR PUBLIC RECORDS.
11:35:58AM THEY ASK YOU, HAVE YOU --
11:36:01AM >>BILL CARLSON: WHEN WE GOT THEM WEEKLY, SOMETIMES WE WOULD
11:36:03AM SEE THEM BEFORE WE WERE NOTIFIED OF THEM.
11:36:06AM MONTHLY, WE MIGHT NOT GET THAT.
11:36:09AM BUT IF SOMEBODY PULLED A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST ON YOU OR
11:36:13AM ANY OF US, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO FIND OUT WHAT PEOPLE
11:36:16AM ARE PULLING PUBLIC RECORDS ABOUT AND WHAT PEOPLE ARE PULLING
11:36:20AM -- IT'S A LINE OF SIGHT INTO WHAT'S GOING ON IN AND AROUND
11:36:25AM THE CITY.
11:36:25AM IT'S ALL PUBLICLY AVAILABLE.
11:36:27AM WE CAN GET IT BY PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST, IT'S JUST EASIER IF
11:36:30AM WE GET A REPORT.
11:36:31AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHAT ARE THE RECORDS, JUST E-MAIL?
11:36:34AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
11:36:36AM PUBLIC RECORD COULD BE ANYTHING THAT WAS MADE, CREATED TO
11:36:40AM MEMORIALIZE, COMMUNICATE OR FORMALIZE KNOWLEDGE.
11:36:44AM COULD RELATE TO CITY COUNCIL.
11:36:45AM BUT IF IT DOESN'T RELATE TO SPECIFICALLY YOUR PERSONAL PHONE
11:36:51AM OR LETTERS THAT CAME INTO YOUR OFFICE, THEY COULD STILL BE
11:36:54AM FULFILLED WITHOUT YOU NECESSARILY KNOWING ABOUT IT.
11:36:57AM THE CITY IS ABLE TO GET THE INFORMATION ON ITS OWN SERVERS.
11:37:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON HAS A MOTION.
11:37:04AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:37:05AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:37:06AM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
11:37:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE DID DISCUSS THIS ONE TIME BEFORE WHEN I
11:37:11AM FIRST GOT ON.
11:37:12AM I BELIEVE MS. ZELMAN CAME AND I THINK THEY HAD AN ISSUE AT
11:37:16AM THAT TIME.
11:37:17AM NEW PERSON IN THE POSITION BUT THAT'S BEEN FIXED.
11:37:19AM OKAY.
11:37:21AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ALSO, IT COULD BE WHAT THE PLATFORM PERHAPS
11:37:25AM DOESN'T PRESENTLY ALLOW BUT WITH A MODULE PERHAPS COULD BE
11:37:28AM MADE TO ALLOW.
11:37:29AM BECAUSE, FOR INSTANCE, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I FOUND IT VERY
11:37:32AM USEFUL AS YOUR ATTORNEY TO KNOW WHAT WAS BEING REQUESTED,
11:37:36AM PARTICULARLY IF IT INVOLVED CITY COUNCIL, PARTICULARLY LET'S
11:37:39AM SAY IF IT INVOLVED A PARTICULAR PARCEL OF LAND BECAUSE THAT
11:37:43AM INDICATED THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT BE WANTING TO DO SOMETHING,
11:37:46AM ESPECIALLY IF IT WAS SOMEHOW RELATED TO A REZONING.
11:37:48AM IT WAS HELPFUL FOR ME TO GET A LENS ON WHAT IS BEING
11:37:55AM REQUESTED BY THE PUBLIC.
11:37:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
11:37:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAS A MOTION.
11:38:01AM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:38:02AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:38:03AM AYE.
11:38:03AM ON THE FIRST FLOOR, THERE IS A DISPLAY IN REGARDS TO BLACK
11:38:07AM HISTORY MONTH.
11:38:08AM IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
11:38:12AM IF THE DOOR IS LOCKED OR NOT OPEN BY ANY CHANCE, JUST LET
11:38:15AM THE SECURITY GUARD KNOW AND YOU CAN SEE IT DOWN THERE.
11:38:18AM A LOT OF FOLKS PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO IT.
11:38:21AM DOWNSTAIRS ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
11:38:23AM SISTER CITIES ROOM -- THE MASCOTTE ROOM.
11:38:27AM I'M SORRY.
11:38:28AM WE HAVE THE DISPLAYS IN THERE.
11:38:29AM THAT'S IT.
11:38:30AM MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE?
11:38:31AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:38:33AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
11:38:34AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:38:34AM AYE.
11:38:35AM ALL RIGHT, WE WILL BE BACK AT 5:01 P.M.
11:38:38AM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
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