TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOPS
THURSDAY, JUNE 27, 2024, 9:00 A.M.
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9:01:26AM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
9:01:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
9:01:29AM I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP TO
9:01:31AM ORDER.
9:01:31AM AT THIS TIME, WE'LL STAND FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOLLOWED
9:01:33AM BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
9:01:39AM [MOMENT OF SILENCE]
9:01:43AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:01:50AM [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:02:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
9:02:02AM WE'LL HAVE ROLL CALL.
9:02:06AM >>THE CLERK: CARLSON?
9:02:07AM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
9:02:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
9:02:10AM >> CLENDENIN?
9:02:10AM HENDERSON?
9:02:11AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT.
9:02:12AM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
9:02:12AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
9:02:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
9:02:14AM >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
9:02:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:02:16AM MR. SHELBY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO REVIEW THE RULES AND
9:02:24AM PROCEDURES?
9:02:26AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:02:28AM GOOD MORNING, MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL, MEMBERS OF THE
9:02:30AM PUBLIC, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
9:02:34AM TODAY IS A COUNCIL WORKSHOP AGENDA.
9:02:38AM AND FOR THE PUBLIC'S INFORMATION AND TO REMIND COUNCIL, YOU
9:02:41AM ARE OPERATING UNDER YOUR NEW RULES OF PROCEDURE, BUT THE
9:02:44AM AGENDA IN THIS CASE HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED AS YOU JUST PASSED
9:02:48AM THE RULES JUST LAST WEEK.
9:02:50AM SO A REMINDER OF THOSE RULES, THERE ARE NO COMMENDATIONS OR
9:02:58AM PRESENTATIONS SCHEDULED FROM THIS POINT FORWARD ON THE
9:03:01AM AGENDA.
9:03:02AM AND WITH REGARD TO PUBLIC COMMENT, I'D LIKE TO INFORM THE
9:03:05AM PUBLIC SO THAT YOU ARE AWARE THAT THIS COUNCIL IS NOW GOING
9:03:10AM BACK TO ITS PRE-PANDEMIC POLICIES WITH REGARD TO PUBLIC
9:03:15AM COMMENT, WHICH MEANS THAT AFTER TODAY, THERE WILL BE NO
9:03:20AM GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AT WORKSHOPS.
9:03:23AM AGAIN, THERE WILL BE NO PRESENTATIONS, NO COMMENDATIONS, NO
9:03:26AM GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:03:28AM CITY COUNCIL WILL GO DIRECTLY INTO THEIR BUSINESS OF
9:03:31AM WORKSHOP ITEMS.
9:03:32AM PUBLIC COMMENT IN THE FUTURE, AS IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN FOR MANY
9:03:38AM YEARS NOW, WILL TAKE PLACE AFTER EACH WORKSHOP ITEM.
9:03:43AM SO THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY BEFORE COUNCIL TAKES
9:03:46AM ANY ACTION TO SPEAK TO WHAT THEY HEARD THE PRESENTATION, TO
9:03:50AM COMMENT ON IT, AND THEN COUNCIL WOULD THEN HAVE THE
9:03:53AM OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE ACTION IF IT SO CHOOSES.
9:03:55AM TODAY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE AGENDA, PUBLIC COMMENT STILL
9:03:59AM APPEARS AT THE START OF THE MEETING.
9:04:02AM SO TO ACCOMMODATE THE PEOPLE WHO CAME TODAY, YOU WILL HAVE
9:04:05AM AN OPPORTUNITY, AS YOU HAVE SINCE THE PANDEMIC, TO TAKE
9:04:08AM PUBLIC COMMENT IN TWO FORMS.
9:04:10AM YOU CAN EITHER STATE WHATEVER YOU WISH, WHATEVER SUBJECT AT
9:04:14AM THE START OF THE MEETING, EITHER AN ON WORKSHOP ITEM OR OFF
9:04:18AM WORKSHOP ITEM.
9:04:20AM AFTER EACH AGENDA ITEM, YOU CAN THEN ALSO ONE OR THE OTHER,
9:04:24AM YOU CAN EITHER TALK BEFORE OR TALK AFTER EACH ITEM AND SPEAK
9:04:27AM TO WHAT THE PARTICULAR WORKSHOP ITEM IS.
9:04:30AM THERE IS NO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER THE START OF THE
9:04:33AM MEETING.
9:04:33AM SO IN THE FUTURE, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, PLEASE BE ADVISED
9:04:37AM THAT IF YOU DO COME DOWN TO CITY HALL OR YOU DO WANT TO
9:04:41AM REGISTER, PLEASE DO NOT DO IT ON A WORKSHOP DAY BECAUSE YOU
9:04:45AM WILL NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON ANY ITEM THAT IS
9:04:47AM NOT ON THE WORKSHOP.
9:04:49AM AGAIN, PLEASE BE REMINDED THAT THE RULES OF DECORUM DO APPLY
9:04:53AM AND WE ASK THAT YOU DO NOT ENGAGE IN DISRUPTIVE COMMENTS OR
9:04:57AM BEHAVIOR.
9:04:57AM I THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:05:00AM AND I TURN THE MEETING BACK TO YOU.
9:05:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:05:01AM I SENT OUT A MEMO REGARDING THIS AGENDA, REQUESTING THAT
9:05:06AM ITEMS 2, 3, AND 4 BE HEARD AHEAD OF ITEM 1, SO IT WOULD BE
9:05:11AM 2, 3, 4, 1, 5.
9:05:14AM ANY OBJECTION?
9:05:15AM ANY ISSUES?
9:05:19AM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, FOR ITEM 3, I'VE SPOKEN TO THE
9:05:25AM PLANNING COMMISSION ON THIS, REPRESENTATIVES ON THIS
9:05:28AM YESTERDAY.
9:05:28AM AND THEY WANTED TO FOCUS MORE SO ON THE FOWLER STUDY.
9:05:34AM SO WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO WAS HAVE THE REPORT FOR THAT
9:05:38AM RECEIVED AND FILE AND MAKE A MOTION AT THE END OF THE
9:05:41AM MEETING, IF I MAY.
9:05:42AM IT WILL SAVE US TIME.
9:05:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU DON'T WANT TO GO INTO ITEM 3.
9:05:46AM >>LUIS VIERA: UNLESS IF COUNCIL WISHES TO.
9:05:48AM I THINK IT'S BETTER TO FOCUS ON THAT.
9:05:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I READ THE REPORT.
9:05:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO YOU'RE GOOD.
9:05:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH, YEAH.
9:05:54AM >>LUIS VIERA: THE REPORT WAS OBVIOUSLY VERY COMPREHENSIVE.
9:05:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE CAN MAKE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE
9:05:59AM THAT.
9:06:00AM >>LUIS VIERA: I'LL MAKE A MOTION AT THE END, IF I MAY.
9:06:02AM THANK YOU.
9:06:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION NOW FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:06:04AM DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
9:06:05AM ALL IN FAVOR.
9:06:06AM THIS IS ITEM 3.
9:06:07AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: OFF THE AGENDA THEN, RECEIVE AND FILE?
9:06:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
9:06:15AM >>LUIS VIERA: I MOTION FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO
9:06:17AM PROVIDE INFORMATION AND THE NEXT STEPS FOR THE FOWLER VISION
9:06:19AM PLAN AND THAT THAT REPORT RETURN TO COUNCIL AT THE NOVEMBER
9:06:22AM 21st, 2024 MEETING.
9:06:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
9:06:25AM VIERA.
9:06:25AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:06:27AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:06:27AM AYE.
9:06:28AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:06:38AM >>LUIS VIERA: NOVEMBER 21st.
9:06:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS A WORKSHOP?
9:06:42AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, MA'AM.
9:06:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
9:06:43AM THAT SETTLES THAT.
9:06:45AM WE HAVE A MEMO RECEIVED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON
9:06:47AM REQUESTING ITEM 7, 8, 9 BE CONTINUED TO THE SEPTEMBER 26
9:06:51AM WORKSHOP.
9:06:52AM >>BILL CARLSON: SO MOVED.
9:06:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THAT CORRECT, SIR?
9:06:54AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
9:06:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
9:06:57AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:06:58AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:06:59AM AYE.
9:07:00AM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS,
9:07:03AM MS. FEELEY ASKED FOR IT BEING MOVED TO AUGUST.
9:07:05AM THEN WE LOOKED AND THE SCHEDULE IS FULL.
9:07:07AM SO WE MOVED IT TO SEPTEMBER.
9:07:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'LL BE MINDFUL THAT SEPTEMBER 26,
9:07:11AM WE'RE REACHING OUR LIMIT.
9:07:15AM IN CASE ANY MOTIONS ARE MADE, WE KNOW TO NOT LOOK AT
9:07:18AM SEPTEMBER 26.
9:07:19AM WE VOTED --
9:07:24AM >>LUIS VIERA: THE ITEM ON SULPHUR SPRINGS ECONOMIC
9:07:27AM OPPORTUNITY REQUEST TO CONTINUE THIS WORKSHOP.
9:07:29AM THEY HAD ASKED FOR IT TO MARCH 27 IN A MEMO.
9:07:32AM HOWEVER IN ACCORDANCE WITH NEW RULES OF PROCEDURE, GIVEN
9:07:35AM THAT WILL TAKE MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES, I DO MOVE FOR THE
9:07:38AM SULPHUR SPRINGS DISCUSSION ON APRIL 24 AT THE WORKSHOP.
9:07:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
9:07:43AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:07:45AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:07:46AM AYE.
9:07:47AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:07:47AM ALL RIGHT.
9:07:49AM THAT SETTLES THE AGENDA.
9:07:52AM A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
9:07:53AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:07:55AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
9:07:56AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:07:57AM AYE.
9:07:57AM WE ARE NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:08:02AM IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, COME ON UP.
9:08:09AM >> DAVID ADAMS.
9:08:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
9:08:12AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:08:12AM MY NAME IS DAVID ADAMS.
9:08:13AM I LIVE AT 2501 WEST FOUNTAIN BOULEVARD.
9:08:16AM I NEED A SOLUTION FOR THE CHRONIC FLOODING ON SWANN, HOWARD
9:08:19AM AND IN PARKLAND ESTATES.
9:08:21AM IN 2015, MY HOUSE FLOODED.
9:08:23AM I HAD TWO AND A HALF FEET OF WATER COME INTO MY GARAGE WHICH
9:08:27AM RUINED EVERYTHING ON THE FLOOR, INCLUDING ALL OF MY WEDDING
9:08:29AM PICTURES.
9:08:29AM I REPLACED TWO AIR-CONDITIONERS.
9:08:32AM I HAD FIVE CARS GET FLOODED, INCLUDING MY TWO CHILDREN'S
9:08:33AM VEHICLES AND MY 80-YEAR-OLD MOTHER'S CAR.
9:08:37AM SINCE THEN, I'VE ASKED THE CITY'S STORM WATER DEPARTMENT FOR
9:08:40AM NINE YEARS TO GET FLOOD RELIEF.
9:08:42AM IN 2017, THE CITY HIRED A CONSULTANT.
9:08:44AM THE REPORT IS THIS THICK.
9:08:45AM THE CONSULTANT RECOMMENDED STORMWATER PIPING TO GET WATER
9:08:48AM OUT OF PARKLAND ESTATES INTO THE BAY.
9:08:50AM NOTHING WAS DONE.
9:08:51AM IN 2021, THE CITY ASSESSED A NEW STORMWATER FEE.
9:08:55AM I SUPPORTED THOSE TO GET FLOOD RELIEF.
9:08:57AM AGAIN, NOTHING WAS DONE.
9:08:59AM IN 2022, THE CITY HIRED ANOTHER CONSULTANT.
9:09:02AM THEY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT PARKLAND ESTATES HAD FLOODED FOR
9:09:06AM DECADES AND NEEDED A LARGE BOX CULVERT TO MOVE THE
9:09:09AM STORMWATER FROM PARKLAND ESTATES TO THE BAY.
9:09:10AM AGAIN, NOTHING WAS DONE.
9:09:12AM MY HOUSE IS 18.5 FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL.
9:09:16AM I DIDN'T PURCHASE A HOUSE IN THE FINGER CANALS OF TAMPA BAY
9:09:20AM OR ON DAVIS ISLANDS.
9:09:21AM MY HOUSE SHOULD NEVER FLOOD, YET MY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS FLOODED
9:09:24AM THREE TIMES JUST IN THE LAST MONTH.
9:09:26AM MANY OF YOU HAVE LIVED HERE A LONG TIME.
9:09:30AM HARDWARE STORE USED TO BE ON THE CORNER OF SWANN AND HOWARD.
9:09:35AM NOW THERE IS A CVS STORE.
9:09:36AM AND THERE WAS A SMALL DRY-CLEANING STORE ACROSS THE STREET,
9:09:38AM NOW A CHASE BANK.
9:09:40AM THE CHATTERBOX WAS A BLOCK AWAY.
9:09:42AM SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT.
9:09:43AM THAT WAS REPLACED WITH PANERA.
9:09:45AM IN 1999, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED DEVELOPMENT OF 6.5 ACRES OF
9:09:49AM LAND BETWEEN ARMENIA AND HOWARD TO BUILD 375 APARTMENTS.
9:09:52AM ALL OF THIS DEVELOPMENT HAS CREATED A VIRTUAL AQUEDUCT THAT
9:09:57AM PUSHES WATER INTO PARKLAND ESTATES.
9:09:59AM THIS YEAR THE CITY ANNOUNCED THE PARKLAND ESTATES FLOOD
9:10:02AM RELIEF PROJECT.
9:10:03AM IT IS A $65 MILLION PROJECT AND 20 MILLION OF THE PROJECT
9:10:06AM FUNDING WILL BE BY THE EXPRESSWAY AUTHORITY AND FDEP.
9:10:10AM IF YOU DON'T ACT NOW, THAT MONEY WILL BE LOST.
9:10:13AM THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT NEEDS CITY COUNCIL'S APPROVAL TO
9:10:15AM FUND A ROUTE PLANNING FOR THE PROJECT.
9:10:17AM I UNDERSTAND THERE'S CONTROVERSY ABOUT BRINGING THE PROJECT
9:10:21AM THROUGH PARKLAND ESTATES.
9:10:22AM LAST WEEK YOU ELIMINATED ROUTE PLANNING THROUGH BRISTOL
9:10:25AM AVENUE.
9:10:26AM SO THAT MEANS THE PROJECT HAS TO GO DOWN SWANN AND DOWN TO
9:10:29AM THE BUSINESS DISTRICT OF HOWARD.
9:10:31AM IF YOU DO THAT, THE SOUTH HOWARD BUSINESS ALLIANCE WILL MOST
9:10:34AM CERTAINLY TRY TO BLOCK THE PROJECT.
9:10:36AM YOU'LL BE HEARING FROM MR. MICHELINI AND YOU'LL PROBABLY
9:10:40AM HAVE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS ALL OVER AGAIN.
9:10:41AM WE DON'T NEED POLITICS FOR FLOOD RELIEF.
9:10:44AM WE NEED ENGINEERS, PLEASE.
9:10:45AM PLEASE EXERCISE SOME LEADERSHIP ON THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD
9:10:49AM PROJECT TO MOVE IT FORWARD PREVENTING FLOODING IS A CORE
9:10:52AM GOVERNMENTAL FUNCTION.
9:10:53AM IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN POLICE OR FIRE PROTECTION.
9:10:56AM IT'S TIME TO STOP THE FLOODING AND I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR
9:11:00AM NINE YEARS.
9:11:01AM I REALLY NEED SOME ACTION AT THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED
9:11:06AM COUNCIL MEETING FOR THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT TO COME
9:11:08AM FORWARD TO YOU AND GIVE YOU SOME SOLUTIONS.
9:11:10AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:11:10AM APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
9:11:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:11:13AM NEXT SPEAKER, YES, SIR.
9:11:15AM GOOD MORNING.
9:11:19AM >> MENTESNOT.
9:11:22AM BEFORE WE GET STARTED, THESE TWO INDIVIDUALS WOULD LIKE TO
9:11:24AM YIELD A MINUTE.
9:11:25AM THESE ARE MY SONS.
9:11:26AM I WOULD LIKE TO YIELD ONE MINUTE OF THEIR TIME.
9:11:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE DON'T DO THAT.
9:11:29AM SO YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, UNLESS THEY WANT TO SPEAK ON
9:11:32AM THEIR BEHALF.
9:11:34AM >> HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
9:11:35AM BEG YOUR PARDON?
9:11:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.
9:11:38AM IT IS GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:11:39AM MR. SHELBY.
9:11:43AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF THE SPEAKER WISHES TO SPEAK, HE
9:11:45AM CERTAINLY CAN, AND THEN EACH INDIVIDUAL PERSON CAN HAVE UP
9:11:47AM TO THREE MINUTES.
9:11:49AM WE DON'T HAVE -- OR THE POLICY IS THAT YOU DON'T YIELD YOUR
9:11:51AM TIME DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE DON'T USE A
9:11:54AM SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
9:11:55AM SO THEY ARE WELCOME TO SPEAK, BUT IT WOULD BE THEIR OWN
9:11:59AM TIME.
9:11:59AM AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO SPEAK FOR UP TO THREE MINUTES.
9:12:04AM >>BILL CARLSON: [INAUDIBLE]
9:12:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
9:12:06AM GO AHEAD.
9:12:06AM WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
9:12:09AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:12:10AM AYE.
9:12:13AM >> THANKS FOR THE EXTRA MINUTE --
9:12:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY OPPOSED?
9:12:16AM WE HAVE ONE OPPOSED.
9:12:18AM TWO OPPOSED.
9:12:27AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION PASSED WITH CLENDENIN AND HENDERSON
9:12:30AM VOTING NO.
9:12:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
9:12:33AM >> WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE MOTION?
9:12:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TO GIVE YOU AN ADDITIONAL MINUTE.
9:12:37AM >> ALL RIGHT.
9:12:37AM OKAY.
9:12:38AM THANKS FOR THE ADDITIONAL MINUTE.
9:12:44AM IF I NEED IT OR DON'T NEED IT, BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS
9:12:48AM IT SHOWS THIS ECLECTIC BUNCH RIGHT HERE HAVE NO IDEA OF WHAT
9:12:52AM THEY ARE DOING.
9:12:52AM IT IS A REAL ECLECTIC BUNCH.
9:12:56AM NO IDEA OF WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
9:12:57AM THE RULES CHANGE EVERY DAY.
9:12:59AM SIGN UP TO SPEAK.
9:13:00AM YOU DON'T HAVE TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK.
9:13:01AM IT IS A WAY OF INTIMIDATING PEOPLE.
9:13:05AM IT SPECIFICALLY IS A WAY OF INTIMIDATING MINORITIES.
9:13:08AM IT'S A WAY OF INTIMIDATING ALL THE PALESTINIANS THAT CAME
9:13:12AM DOWN HERE TO SPEAK.
9:13:12AM IT IS A WAY OF INTIMIDATING AFRICANS WHO WANT TO COME DOWN
9:13:17AM HERE AND SPEAK ALWAYS SAY YEARS AGO, AFRICANS, BLACK PEOPLE
9:13:21AM ARE SCARED TO COME DOWN HERE.
9:13:22AM WE HAVE NO LEADERSHIP AND WE HAVE NO REPRESENTATION.
9:13:24AM I'VE BEEN COMING DOWN HERE FOR 30 SOME YEARS AND THE
9:13:28AM REPRESENTATIVE FROM OUR DISTRICT SAY NAY, THEY ARE OPPOSED
9:13:31AM TO ME HAVING AN ADDITIONAL MINUTE AS I BRING MY KIDS HERE,
9:13:35AM IT'S EMBARRASSING AND IT'S INSULTING.
9:13:37AM IT'S DEMEANING.
9:13:38AM IT'S DEROGATORY, AND IT IS RACIALLY MOTIVATED.
9:13:43AM MOST OF THE STUFF YOU ALL DO IS RACIALLY MOTIVATED AND
9:13:47AM RACIALLY OFFENSIVE.
9:13:48AM NOW, WHO MURDERED JULIO FOOLIO?
9:13:51AM WHO MURDERED HIM?
9:13:51AM AND DID THE SHOT SPOTTERS, WERE THEY INSTRUMENTAL IN
9:13:56AM PREVENTING THAT CRIME?
9:13:57AM YOUNG MAN MURDERED RIGHT IN OUR CITY.
9:13:59AM YOU KNOW WHAT?
9:14:00AM THEY DEPEND ON AFRICAN PEOPLE BEING IGNORANT BECAUSE THEY
9:14:03AM HAVE UNDERDEVELOPED US FOR THE LAST 624 YEARS.
9:14:07AM THEY HAVE DISPOSSESSED US.
9:14:08AM THEY HAVE DE-EDUCATED US.
9:14:10AM AND LIKE LAUREN HAIL SAY, THEY HAVE MISEDUCATED US.
9:14:15AM MISEDUCATION.
9:14:16AM NOW A YOUNG MAN WAS MURDERED RIGHT HERE IN TAMPA, FLORIDA.
9:14:22AM VIOLENTLY MURDERED.
9:14:23AM AND NO ONE WOULD HAVE THE SENSE TO SAY HIS PARENTS OR ANYONE
9:14:27AM ELSE, NOBODY IN THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY WOULD HAVE THE SENSE
9:14:31AM TO SAY FILE A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE RECORDING INDUSTRY.
9:14:39AM DO YOU THINK THE RECORDING INDUSTRY, DO YOU THINK WHITE
9:14:41AM PEOPLE, YOU SEE WHAT JUST HAPPENED BAUMAN IN NEW YORK, HE
9:14:46AM SAID HE WAS PRO-PALESTINIAN, OR DIDN'T SAY HE WAS
9:14:49AM PRO-PALESTINIAN.
9:14:50AM HE SAY HE WAS ANTI-GENOCIDE AND THEY GOT RID OF HIM.
9:14:55AM THEY GOT RID OF HIM.
9:14:56AM RID OF HIM AND TALKING ABOUT IT GLEEFULLY PUTTING IT OUT
9:15:01AM THERE.
9:15:02AM THEY GOT RID OF HIM.
9:15:03AM DO YOU THINK ALL THE AFRICAN YOUTHS THAT'S IN THE MUSIC
9:15:08AM INDUSTRY THAT'S N THIS, BITCH THIS, DO YOU THINK THEY CAN
9:15:15AM GET ON THE RECORD AND SAY JEW THIS, KITE THIS, KITE THAT, NO
9:15:24AM THEY CAN'T.
9:15:24AM SO THE PARENTS OF JULIO FOOLIO NEED TO FILE A LAWSUIT
9:15:29AM AGAINST THE RECORDING INDUSTRY AND THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:15:31AM IF THEY CAN SPEND $300,000 ON SHOT SPOTTERS AND COULDN'T GET
9:15:34AM OUT THERE TO CATCH THE PERPETRATORS OF THE HEINOUS ACT, THAT
9:15:38AM TELLS YOU SOMETHING.
9:15:39AM BUT EVERYTHING THEY DO TOWARDS AFRICAN PEOPLE IS HATEFUL AND
9:15:43AM TRICKERY.
9:15:44AM THEY BROUGHT AN ELDERLY BLACK MAN IN HERE THE OTHER DAY TO
9:15:48AM TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM IN 1967.
9:15:51AM THEY DIDN'T HAVE A BATHROOM.
9:15:53AM THEY HAD TO GO AND RELIEVE THEMSELVES BY THE RIVER AND IN
9:15:55AM THE BUSHES AND ALL THAT.
9:15:57AM AND THE ELDERLY BLACK FOOL COULDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT, HEY,
9:16:02AM I WANT TO FILE REPARATIONS FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA AND
9:16:05AM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND OTHER PLACES AND THE NATIONAL -- THE
9:16:10AM BASEBALL LEAGUE OR ANYBODY ELSE.
9:16:12AM THEY COULDN'T SAY IT.
9:16:13AM IT'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT PROCESS.
9:16:16AM AND EVERYTHING THIS CITY DOES IS ABOUT TRICKING AFRICAN
9:16:19AM PEOPLE AND WE CAN'T STAND FOR IT.
9:16:21AM WE'RE 26% OF THE POPULATION.
9:16:23AM WE WANT 26% OF THIS BUDGET.
9:16:25AM AND WE WANT IT RETROACTIVELY.
9:16:28AM WE WANT OUR REPARATIONS FROM THIS CITY, FROM THE BUSINESSES
9:16:32AM IN THIS CITY, AND FROM CITY GOVERNMENT.
9:16:34AM WE WANT OUR REPARATIONS.
9:16:36AM AND WE NEED REPRESENTATIVES THAT IS GONNA SPEAK UP FOR THE
9:16:40AM AFRICAN COMMUNITY, NOT BUFFOONS.
9:16:43AM WE HAVE BUFFOONS.
9:16:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
9:16:46AM GOOD MORNING, SIR.
9:16:53AM GOOD MORNING.
9:17:00AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:17:01AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:17:02AM MY NAME IS PASTOR WILLIAMS, LOCATED 1112 EAST SCOTT STREET.
9:17:08AM THE YOUNG MAN IS TELLING YOU THE TRUTH AND YOU DON'T WANT TO
9:17:21AM HEAR HIM AND I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR ME.
9:17:25AM I'LL READ SCRIPTURE.
9:17:28AM O GIVE THANKS UNTO THE LORD BECAUSE HE IS GOOD.
9:17:32AM BY HIS MERCY, GO GIVE THANKS UNTO THE LORD FOR HIS MERCY.
9:17:41AM TO HIM WHO ALONE DO GREAT ONE FOR HIS MERCY AND DO IT
9:17:51AM FOREVER.
9:17:52AM YOU KNOW, I CAN'T READ MUCH BECAUSE I AIN'T GOT MY GLASSES
9:17:55AM ON.
9:17:56AM YOU KNOW WHAT?
9:17:56AM WE DON'T REALIZE IT, BUT WE ARE HERE TODAY BECAUSE OF THE
9:18:03AM MERCY OF GOD.
9:18:06AM A LOT OF US DON'T EVEN DESERVE TO BE HERE, BUT BECAUSE OF
9:18:09AM THE MERCY OF GOD UPON US, HE BLESS US TO SEE ANOTHER DAY.
9:18:15AM YOU KNOW, THE YOUNG MAN GETTING UP AND SPEAKING, BRINGING
9:18:22AM LITTLE BOY WITH HIM SO THEY CAN SEE THE TRUTH AND HEAR THE
9:18:26AM TRUTH.
9:18:26AM YOU KNOW, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE A DEBATE TONIGHT.
9:18:31AM AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE I SEE IT.
9:18:33AM THEY GOT A CRIMINAL GOING TO BE A DEBATE AGAINST THE
9:18:43AM PRESIDENT.
9:18:44AM DOESN'T SEEM LIKE NOBODY WANT TO DO NOTHING ABOUT IT.
9:18:50AM JUST WANT HIM TO COME UP AND SAY WHAT HE WANT TO SAY AND SAY
9:18:56AM THAT HE -- YOU KNOW -- AND SAY THAT HE WON THE DEBATE.
9:19:02AM YOU KNOW, I KEEP MY TRUST IN GOD.
9:19:04AM I KNOW WHAT GOD CAN DO, AND I KNOW WHAT GOD GOING TO DO.
9:19:10AM MIGHT NOT REACT RIGHT NOW, BUT THE DAY OF SALVATION IS
9:19:14AM COMING BIG TIME.
9:19:16AM WE'VE GOT TO REALIZE, WE GOT TO LEARN TO TREAT EACH OTHER
9:19:21AM LIKE PEOPLE, LIKE CITIZENS, LIKE GOVERNMENTAL PEOPLE.
9:19:26AM TREAT US LIKE WHO WE ARE, WHETHER WE ARE BLACK, WHETHER WE
9:19:29AM ARE -- OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL US.
9:19:36AM YOU CALL US EVERYTHING BUT A CHILD OF GOD.
9:19:38AM BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
9:19:39AM KEEP DOING IT.
9:19:41AM GOD WILL SHOW YOU ALL, TO ALL OF US.
9:19:43AM I'M NOT THE BEST PERSON IN THE WORLD, BUT I TRY TO DO THE
9:19:47AM RIGHT THING REGARDLESS, WHETHER YOU WANT TO HEAR ME OR NOT.
9:19:51AM I COME UP HERE SOMETIME AND I SEE SOME HEADS BENT DOWN.
9:19:57AM YEAH, BEND YOUR HEAD DOWN.
9:19:59AM YOU DON'T HAVE TO HEAR ME.
9:20:01AM I'LL TELL YOU ONE THING, WE'LL ALL HAVE TO HEAR GOD ONE DAY
9:20:04AM SOONER OR LATER.
9:20:05AM I WANT TO LEAVE YOU ALL WITH THIS HERE.
9:20:08AM MAY GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU ALL.
9:20:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
9:20:11AM YES, MA'AM, NEXT SPEAKER.
9:20:20AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:20:41AM >> LITTLE DIFFICULTY.
9:20:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THAT A TOUCH SCREEN OR USE THE MOUSE?
9:20:55AM >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
9:20:56AM OKAY.
9:21:02AM MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
9:21:04AM I AM A LIFELONG TAMPA RESIDENT.
9:21:07AM AS YOU ALL KNOW, APRIL WAS A VERY, VERY DRY MONTH.
9:21:12AM THE CITY WAS UNDER A DROUGHT.
9:21:14AM AND IT RAINED ONE DAY IN SOUTH TAMPA AND I WENT TO THE
9:21:17AM GROCERY STORE.
9:21:18AM WHEN I WENT TO THE GROCERY STORE, THIS IS WHAT I SAW COMING
9:21:25AM HOME.
9:21:27AM APPARENTLY I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M DOING BECAUSE IT'S NOT
9:21:29AM PLAYING PROPERLY.
9:21:30AM THIS IS JUST A RAIN.
9:21:34AM WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY HURRICANES IN APRIL.
9:21:36AM WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY TROPICAL STORMS.
9:21:39AM THIS IS CHURCH STREET.
9:21:39AM I TOOK VIDEO OF OTHER STREETS TOO.
9:21:42AM BAY TO BAY, MANHATTAN.
9:21:44AM THIS IS JUST CHURCH STREET WHICH IS JUST AN 8th OF A MILE
9:21:57AM FROM DALE MABRY.
9:21:59AM THIS IS THE KIND OF FLOODING THAT I GOT JUST DRIVING HOME
9:22:06AM FROM THE GROCERY STORE.
9:22:08AM SO I JUST WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH
9:22:11AM IN SOUTH TAMPA ON A REGULAR BASIS.
9:22:13AM THE FLOODING HAS GOTTEN WORSE AS THE POPULATION HAS
9:22:21AM INCREASED.
9:22:22AM FLOODING HAS GOTTEN WORSE AS MORE PERMEABLE SURFACE HAS BEEN
9:22:31AM PAVED OVER.
9:22:33AM SHOOT.
9:22:38AM I DON'T KNOW.
9:22:38AM I'M AN IDIOT.
9:22:39AM [ LAUGHTER ]
9:22:40AM THIS ONE I REALLY WANTED TO SHOW YOU TOO.
9:22:44AM I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WHEN IAN CAME THROUGH THAT
9:22:55AM IT WAS 150 MILES OFFSHORE.
9:22:57AM IT NEVER HIT TAMPA.
9:22:59AM AND YET ALL OF SOUTH TAMPA HAD TO EVACUATE, ALL OF IT,
9:23:08AM EXCEPT FOR THIS LITTLE AREA RIGHT HERE.
9:23:10AM THIS LITTLE AREA ZONE C DID NOT HAVE TO EVACUATE.
9:23:14AM THE ENTIRE REST OF THE PENINSULA HAD TO EVACUATE.
9:23:17AM I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM HAVE BEEN UNDER A
9:23:20AM MANDATORY EVACUATION ORDER.
9:23:21AM I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM HAVE BEEN UNDER
9:23:24AM MORE THAN ONE MANDATORY EVACUATION ORDER, HOW MANY PEOPLE IN
9:23:27AM THIS ROOM HAVE HAD TO EVACUATE.
9:23:29AM LET ME TELL YOU, IT IS EXTREMELY STRESSFUL.
9:23:31AM I HAD A NEIGHBOR AT USF WANTED TO TALK TO HER ABOUT THE
9:23:34AM EVACUATION DURING IRMA.
9:23:35AM SHE SAID I WON'T TALK TO THEM.
9:23:37AM IT WAS SO STRESSFUL AND SO TRAUMATIC THAT I CAN'T BEAR TO
9:23:42AM THINK OF IT.
9:23:43AM THIS IS A PERSON OF MEANS.
9:23:44AM I ALSO WANT TO SHOW YOU THIS MAP THAT SHOWS -- THIS IS FROM
9:23:47AM THE ST. PETE TIMES.
9:23:48AM THIS IS CATEGORY 2 SURGE.
9:23:53AM IAN WAS CATEGORY 4.
9:23:55AM THE ENTIRE PENINSULA WOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER WATER IF IAN
9:23:58AM HADN'T SWERVED.
9:23:59AM I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT AS WE ENTER INTO HURRICANE
9:24:03AM SEASON.
9:24:03AM I'M SORRY I'M SO TECHNICALLY INEPT.
9:24:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:24:07AM YES, MA'AM.
9:24:07AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:24:08AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:24:09AM STEPHANIE POYNOR.
9:24:11AM TECHNOLOGY IS KICKING BOTH OF OUR BEHIND US THIS MORNING.
9:24:13AM BECAUSE MY LAPTOP LAID DOWN ON ME.
9:24:16AM I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE PERMISSION TO READ A NOTE FROM SANDY
9:24:19AM SANCHEZ.
9:24:19AM SHE'S NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY.
9:24:21AM SHE'S NOT FEELING WELL.
9:24:22AM I HAVE EVERY INTENTION OF GOING TO CITY COUNCIL AND THANKFUL
9:24:26AM TO STAFF FOR WORKING ON THE 2045 COMP PLAN, ESPECIALLY FOR
9:24:30AM YOU LISTENING TO MY RANTINGS.
9:24:32AM AND I WAS HOPING TO BE THERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:24:35AM UNFORTUNATELY I'M UNDER THE WEATHER.
9:24:36AM PLEASE KNOW THAT THOSE OF US WHO LIVE IN HERITAGE
9:24:39AM COMMUNITIES APPRECIATE ALL YOU HAVE DONE TO MOVE HERITAGE
9:24:42AM COMMUNITIES FORWARD AND GIVING THEM RECOGNITION.
9:24:45AM THESE COMMUNITIES ARE PARAMOUNT IN VISIONS FOR THE FUTURE OF
9:24:50AM TAMPA.
9:24:51AM BESIDES THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE, THEY ALSO PROVIDE THE
9:24:55AM MANY OPTIONS FOR FUTURE TAMPE OS.
9:25:01AM WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE REGARDING HOUSING.
9:25:03AM I KNOW THIS IS STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS, BUT THE RECOGNITION
9:25:06AM FOR THE COMMUNITIES WILL BE HELPFUL.
9:25:08AM HOPEFULLY HELP SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS TO UNDERSTAND MANY
9:25:13AM TIMES THE QUALITY OF LIFE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE BOTTOM
9:25:16AM LINE FOR PROFIT.
9:25:17AM WE EMBRACE CHANGE AS LONG AS IT'S DONE RESPONSIBLY.
9:25:22AM THANK YOU, SANDY SANCHEZ.
9:25:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:25:23AM IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
9:25:25AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:25:26AM WE'LL GO TO ITEM NUMBER 2.
9:25:36AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
9:25:38AM JENNIFER MALONE WITH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
9:25:41AM I'M HERE TO PRESENT ON ITEM NUMBER 2, WHICH IS THE TAMPA
9:25:44AM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE WITH A FOCUS ON THE FUTURE LAND
9:25:47AM USE SECTION.
9:25:48AM SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR PARTNERS AT THE
9:25:52AM CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
9:25:54AM STEVEN AND EVAN.
9:25:55AM I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THEIR COLLABORATION ON THIS TOPIC.
9:25:58AM SO WHERE WE'VE BEEN AND WHERE WE'RE GOING, THIS IS OUR FINAL
9:26:06AM CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP IN FRONT OF YOU.
9:26:08AM MOVING FORWARD, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE PUBLIC OUTREACH.
9:26:11AM THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING
9:26:13AM COMMISSION JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER AMENDMENT WHEN THIS IS
9:26:16AM INITIATED.
9:26:17AM AND THEN YOU'LL SEE IT PROBABLY IN THE WINTER/SPRING IN ITS
9:26:21AM FINAL FORM WHEN IT GETS TRANSMITTED AND HOPEFULLY EVENTUALLY
9:26:25AM ADOPTED.
9:26:25AM WORKING UP TO THIS WORKSHOP IN YOUR MEMO, WE DO OUTLINE THE
9:26:30AM OTHER TIMES WE'VE BEEN BEFORE YOU.
9:26:32AM IT'S BEEN SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS PROVIDING
9:26:36AM UPDATES AS WE'VE BEEN MAKING THESE CHANGES.
9:26:39AM TODAY, WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO OVER THE KEY CHANGES TO THE
9:26:42AM FUTURE LAND USE SECTION.
9:26:44AM WE HAVE SOME NEW GOALS.
9:26:45AM WE HAVE NEW PLACE TYPES.
9:26:47AM SOME COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA REVISIONS, INDUSTRIAL POLICY
9:26:51AM UPDATES, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS AND THEN A BONUS
9:26:53AM PROGRAM UPDATE.
9:26:54AM BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THE NEW GOALS, I JUST WANT TO REMIND
9:27:00AM COUNCIL BECAUSE IT WAS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE DID A
9:27:03AM VISIONING EXERCISE WHERE WE TOOK A LOT OF PUBLIC OUTREACH
9:27:06AM AND WE HAD A LOT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
9:27:09AM WE TOOK EVERYTHING THAT THESE CITIZENS SAID THROUGH A SURVEY
9:27:12AM AND PUT IT IN A VISION SO THAT WAY WE HAD A BLUEPRINT FOR
9:27:16AM WRITING THE NEW GOALS AND WRITING THE NEW COMP PLAN.
9:27:19AM THIS IS THE VISION THAT COUNCIL ADOPTED BY RESOLUTION.
9:27:22AM I THINK TWO SUMMERS AGO.
9:27:24AM AND THEN WE USED THAT VISION TO WRITE THESE NEW GOALS.
9:27:29AM CURRENTLY, THE FUTURE LAND USE SECTION HAS 20 GOALS.
9:27:32AM WE'VE DISTILLED THAT DOWN TO 6 GOALS.
9:27:36AM OUR INTENT IS THAT THE NEW FUTURE LAND USE SECTION WILL BE A
9:27:39AM LITTLE MORE SUCCINCT AND EASIER TO READ FOR BOTH COUNCIL AND
9:27:42AM THE PUBLIC WHEN YOU'RE FLIPPING THROUGH IT AND TRYING TO
9:27:46AM DIGEST THE FLU.
9:27:50AM SO OUR FIRST NEW CONCEPT ARE PLACE TYPES.
9:27:53AM THIS IS A NEW DESIGNATION THAT'S GOING TO HELP IMPLEMENT THE
9:27:55AM GOALS OF THE PLAN WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE FUTURE
9:27:59AM LAND USE MAP TO PROMOTE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH
9:28:02AM THE CITY VISION.
9:28:02AM WE'LL PUT THOSE IN THREE BUCKETS.
9:28:04AM WE HAVE REGIONAL ACTIVITY CENTERS, TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS,
9:28:08AM AND HERITAGE NEIGHBORHOODS.
9:28:09AM I'LL GO THROUGH EACH OF THOSE ONE BY ONE.
9:28:13AM HERE WE HAVE A MAP OF THE PLACE TYPES.
9:28:18AM WE SEE REGIONAL ACTIVITY CENTERS ARE IN GREEN.
9:28:21AM THE TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS ARE IN BLUE, AND THEN HERITAGE
9:28:25AM NEIGHBORHOODS YOU'LL SEE ON A FORTHCOMING MAP.
9:28:27AM BUT OUR REGIONAL ACTIVITY CENTERS THAT'S GOING TO BE
9:28:29AM WESTSHORE, DOWNTOWN, AND OUR TRANSIT SUPPORTIVE DEVELOPMENT
9:28:33AM AREAS, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE REALLY GOING TO SEE THE HIGHEST
9:28:36AM AMOUNT OF -- WHERE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS GOING TO
9:28:41AM ANTICIPATE A LOT OF GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT THROUGH HIGHER
9:28:45AM FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES OR A BONUS OPTION.
9:28:47AM OUR TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS WILL CONNECT TO ALL OF THOSE
9:28:50AM PLACES.
9:28:51AM SO, AGAIN, REGIONAL ACTIVITY CENTERS, THAT'S DOWNTOWN,
9:28:55AM WESTSHORE, ALSO THE FOWLER VISION AREA THROUGH THE WORK THAT
9:28:59AM WE'VE BEEN DOING ON A SEPARATE PROJECT, WE DEFINITELY SEE
9:29:03AM THAT AREA AS PRIME TO TAKE A LOT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT'S
9:29:07AM FORTHCOMING FOR THAT AREA, AS WELL AS TRANSIT SUPPORTIVE
9:29:11AM DEVELOPMENT AREAS.
9:29:12AM THIS IS YOUR STREETCAR OR ANYWHERE THAT WE MAY HAVE FUTURE
9:29:15AM FIXED GUIDE WAY TRANSIT.
9:29:18AM WE'RE LOOKING AT AN URBAN DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
9:29:20AM THESE ARE MAJOR EMPLOYMENT AREAS, AND THEY HAVE EXISTING AND
9:29:23AM PLANNED INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENTS WHICH I THINK IS KEY.
9:29:25AM NEXT, WE HAVE TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS.
9:29:31AM THESE ARE OUR CORRIDORS THAT ARE GOING TO SUPPORT EXISTING
9:29:33AM AND FUTURE TRANSIT, AND THEY LINK TO OUR REGIONAL ACTIVITY
9:29:37AM CENTERS.
9:29:37AM SO WE'RE LOOKING HERE AT HAVING A MIX OF HOUSING, COMMERCIAL
9:29:40AM AND AMENITIES TO SERVE THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS AS WELL AS
9:29:44AM DESIGN STANDARDS TO STILL PROMOTE THAT WALKABLE URBAN
9:29:47AM ENVIRONMENT.
9:29:47AM THEY ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE THROUGHOUT THE MAP.
9:29:51AM AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN BONUS AS WELL, WHICH WE'LL GET TO
9:29:56AM LATER.
9:29:56AM LASTLY, WE HAVE HERITAGE NEIGHBORHOODS.
9:29:59AM THESE ARE GOING TO BE HISTORIC DISTRICTS AS WELL AS THE
9:30:03AM AREAS THAT MIGHT BE ADJACENT TO A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
9:30:06AM ALL OF OUR URBAN VILLAGES THAT WE HAVE IN THE PLAN NOW WILL
9:30:09AM BE KIND OF SUNSET AND INSTEAD THEY'LL HAVE THE HISTORIC
9:30:13AM NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGNATION.
9:30:14AM IT'S ALSO NEIGHBORHOOD SERVED BY THE ORIGINAL 1926 STREETCAR
9:30:19AM SYSTEM, SO WE SEE PORT TAMPA CITY AND THEN MOST OF THIS,
9:30:23AM IT'S THIS PURPLE LINE RIGHT HERE.
9:30:25AM SURROUNDING THE CITY.
9:30:27AM AND SO THESE AREAS, IT'S GOING TO APPLY TO RESIDENTIAL
9:30:31AM FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES IN THESE AREAS.
9:30:34AM AND WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR, THESE ARE REALLY CHARACTERIZED
9:30:37AM BY DISTINCTIVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN FROM THE EARLY STAGES OF
9:30:41AM TAMPA'S GROWTH.
9:30:42AM AND THE PLAN AND LATER THE CODE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE SOME
9:30:45AM SPECIAL LANGUAGE THAT REALLY RECOGNIZES THAT, THAT THESE
9:30:48AM AREAS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS.
9:30:51AM AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT BALANCE THESE UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS
9:30:56AM WITH THE NEED FOR BETTER TOOLS TO ENSURE COMPATIBILITY AND
9:30:59AM PRESERVE TAMPA'S HERITAGE.
9:31:01AM NEXT WE HAVE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD REVISIONS.
9:31:10AM PROPOSED DRAFT POLICY IS THAT PLAN AMENDMENTS WOULD BE
9:31:12AM PROHIBITED IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA IF THEY INCREASE
9:31:16AM DENSITY OR INTENSITY.
9:31:17AM WITH THE EXCEPTION OF COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREAS SINCE
9:31:25AM THE CITY HAS A LOT OF PLANNED INFRASTRUCTURE AND THOSE AREAS
9:31:26AM HAVE THEIR OWN PLANS, THAT WOULD BE A PLACE WHERE AN
9:31:29AM APPLICANT MAY ASK TO INCREASE DENSITY OR INTENSITY IF THEY
9:31:32AM ARE IN A CRA.
9:31:33AM THE OTHER EXCEPTION WOULD BE TRANSITIONAL USE 24.
9:31:36AM A LOT OF THAT IS ON PALMETTO BEACH.
9:31:39AM BY THAT NATURE, THE CATEGORY SHOULD TRANSITION OUT OF THE
9:31:42AM PLAN, BUT THEY WOULD BE LIMITED TO THE NEXT HIGHEST FUTURE
9:31:45AM LAND USE CHARACTER.
9:31:47AM COULD NOT MAKE TOO MUCH OF A JUMP IF APPLICANT WISHES TO
9:31:51AM HAVE A PLAN AMENDMENT OUT OF THE TRADITIONAL USE 24
9:31:56AM CATEGORY.
9:31:56AM THE AREA KIND OF NORTH OF MacDILL, IT'S DOWN HERE ON
9:32:01AM THIS MAP.
9:32:02AM A SUBSET AND THEN WE ZOOMED IN.
9:32:04AM THERE IS A LOT OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL PARCELS THAT ARE IN THE
9:32:08AM MIDDLE OF A SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED NEIGHBORHOOD.
9:32:10AM WE REALLY DON'T SEE THOSE BEING VIABLE.
9:32:13AM SO THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER AREA WHERE SOMEBODY MAY ASK JUST TO
9:32:17AM GO TO THE RESIDENTIAL 10 CATEGORY SINCE THAT IS WHAT IS
9:32:21AM SURROUNDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
9:32:22AM THERE'S ALSO A PROPOSAL FOR A NEW CATEGORY CALLED COMMERCIAL
9:32:25AM RESTRICTED. THIS WOULD ONLY BE COMMERCIAL USES, NEW FUTURE
9:32:29AM LAND USE CATEGORY, SO AN APPLICANT MAY ASK FOR THAT IN THE
9:32:32AM COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA TO DEVELOP COMMERCIAL, BUT IT WOULD
9:32:36AM NOT INCREASE DENSITY OR INTENSITY, AND IT'S JUST SOMETHING
9:32:39AM THE PLAN JUST DOESN'T HAVE.
9:32:40AM ALL OF OUR CATEGORIES ARE MIXED USE RIGHT NOW.
9:32:42AM IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT THE PLAN PROBABLY NEEDS.
9:32:45AM INDUSTRIAL POLICY UPDATES, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN
9:32:52AM WORKING ON FOR A LONG TIME.
9:32:54AM BACK IN MAY OF 2020, THE PLANNING COMMISSION FINISHED A
9:32:58AM REPORT, INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT ASSESSMENT,
9:33:00AM MULTIJURISDICTIONAL ANALYSIS.
9:33:01AM BUT YOU ALL HAD NOTHING ELSE GOING ON IN MAY 2020.
9:33:05AM IT WAS REALLY QUIET.
9:33:06AM IT MIGHT HAVE NOT BEEN AT THE FOREFRONT OF EVERYONE'S MIND
9:33:11AM BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF STUFF KIND OF GOING ON AT THAT
9:33:13AM TIME.
9:33:14AM SO WHAT WE DID IS WE TOOK ANOTHER LOOK AT IT.
9:33:18AM WE UPDATED A LOT OF THE DATA THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET SHOWING A
9:33:22AM LOT OF THE INDUSTRIAL ACREAGE, GAINED OR LOST, PLAN
9:33:26AM AMENDMENTS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COUNTY.
9:33:28AM WE DECIDED TO REFINE THE EXISTING POLICY DIRECTION RELATED
9:33:32AM TO INDUSTRIAL BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE PLAN PROMOTES PRESERVING
9:33:36AM IT EVERYWHERE WHEREAS NOW THAT WE HAVE OTHER PLANNING
9:33:41AM PROJECTS SUCH AS FOWLER VISION, MAYBE WE DON'T NEED TO
9:33:44AM PRESERVE INDUSTRIAL IN THAT AREA OF THE CITY.
9:33:47AM WE'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT WHERE ALL THE INDUSTRIAL IS AND
9:33:50AM HIGHLIGHTED THE PRESERVATION AREAS, WHERE WE SHOULD REALLY
9:33:53AM FOCUS IN ON PRESERVING THAT INDUSTRIAL.
9:33:55AM SO YOU'LL NOTICE A LOT OF THE INDUSTRIAL NEAR FOWLER ISN'T
9:33:58AM ON THE MAP.
9:33:59AM THAT'S BECAUSE THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS A REGIONAL
9:34:01AM ACTIVITY CENTER PLACE TYPE.
9:34:02AM SO WE SEE A DIFFERENT FORM OF GROWTH IN FOWLER, BUT WE HAVE
9:34:06AM HIGHLIGHTED LIKE DREW PARK NEAR THE AIRPORT THAT INDUSTRIAL,
9:34:10AM ALL OF THIS INDUSTRIAL AND THEN THE INDUSTRIAL DOWN HERE
9:34:13AM VERY SOUTH.
9:34:15AM VERY LOW-LYING AREA.
9:34:16AM FINALLY, WE'RE LOOKING AT REVISING THE ENTIRE BONUS
9:34:23AM STRUCTURE.
9:34:24AM AS YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW, IT'S A LITTLE CUMBERSOME.
9:34:27AM WE TOOK A REALLY CLOSE LOOK AT RECALIBRATING ALL OF THE
9:34:32AM DENSITIES AND INTENSITIES FOR ALL THE FUTURE LAND USE
9:34:36AM CATEGORIES.
9:34:36AM SO THERE IS A NEW BONUS CEILING FOR ALL THE FUTURE LAND USE
9:34:39AM CATEGORIES IN EXCHANGE FOR A PUBLIC BENEFIT, SUCH AS
9:34:43AM AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
9:34:44AM SO THIS ACTUALLY GIVES COUNCIL THE OPTION TO REALLY SEE MORE
9:34:49AM BENEFIT FROM ADDITIONAL DENSITY THAT FOLKS ARE ASKING FOR.
9:34:53AM IT'S DISCRETIONARY AND NOT GUARANTEED TO THE APPLICANT.
9:34:57AM SO THE MAXIMUM BONUS IS ONLY GOING TO BE IN THOSE REGIONAL
9:35:02AM ACTIVITY CENTERS.
9:35:03AM WE'LL HAVE A LESSER BONUS ALONG TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS
9:35:06AM SINCE THOSE ARE KIND OF SURROUNDED BY NEIGHBORHOODS AND WANT
9:35:08AM TO BE SENSITIVE TO THOSE.
9:35:10AM NO BONUSES IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
9:35:13AM FINALLY, THERE IS NEW CRITERIA TO EXPAND
9:35:19AM NEIGHBORHOOD-SERVING COMMERCIAL USES.
9:35:22AM THE PLAN RIGHT NOW ALREADY HAS LOCATIONAL CRITERIA, ALLOWING
9:35:26AM SOME NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING COMMERCIAL USES IN OUR RESIDENTIAL
9:35:29AM FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES, BUT IT IS VERY LIMITED.
9:35:32AM SO WE JUST LOOK A LOOK AT THAT AND WE DECIDED TO EXPAND THAT
9:35:36AM CRITERIA SO IF YOU'RE AT THE CORNER OF TWO COLLECTOR
9:35:38AM INTERSECTIONS, THE RESIDENTIAL 10, YOU COULD ASK FOR THROUGH
9:35:42AM A REZONING, THROUGH APPROVAL BY YOU ALL A NEIGHBORHOOD
9:35:45AM SERVING COMMERCIAL USE SUCH AS A COFFEE SHOP.
9:35:50AM IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND TAKE THAT
9:35:52AM CASE BY CASE.
9:35:53AM IT IS JUST NEW CRITERIA TO IMPLEMENT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD
9:35:56AM COMMERCIAL DISTRICT CONCEPT.
9:35:57AM AND THAT CAME FROM FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THE
9:36:00AM COUNCIL.
9:36:01AM SO THAT ACTUALLY CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
9:36:04AM I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
9:36:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, I SAW YOUR
9:36:07AM MICROPHONE FIRST.
9:36:08AM GO AHEAD, SIR.
9:36:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TWO THINGS.
9:36:10AM I KNOW WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION AT THE PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT
9:36:13AM THE HERITAGE NEIGHBORHOODS INCLUDING NEW SUBURB BEAUTIFUL
9:36:16AM AND PARKLAND ESTATES.
9:36:17AM ALSO, I NOTICED, CAN YOU PUT UP THE SLIDE ON YOUR TIMING,
9:36:22AM YOUR SCHEDULE?
9:36:23AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: YES.
9:36:24AM LET ME JUST FIND IT.
9:36:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ONLY THING I SEE THAT KIND OF CONCERNS ME
9:36:34AM IS THAT YOU'LL HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS, WHICH I'M ASSUMING WILL
9:36:40AM TAKE INPUT AND POSSIBLY CHANGES, BUT WE WON'T HAVE AN
9:36:44AM OPPORTUNITY TO SEE IT AGAIN BEFORE TRANSMITTAL.
9:36:48AM I THINK WE NEED TO INSERT SOMETHING TO COME BACK TO US TO
9:36:51AM REPORT IF ANY CHANGES ARE MADE OR THE FINAL LANGUAGE BEFORE
9:36:54AM IT IS TRANSMITTED.
9:36:55AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: OKAY, SURE.
9:36:57AM WE CAN DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT OUR SCHEDULE AND COME BACK
9:37:01AM TO YOU, TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
9:37:03AM PERHAPS EVEN JUST COMING BEFORE YOU FOR BRIEFINGS, IF WE'RE
9:37:07AM NOT ABLE TO GET ON YOUR CALENDAR.
9:37:09AM I KNOW YOU HAVE A VERY BUSY CALENDAR THROUGH THE END OF THE
9:37:12AM YEAR.
9:37:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD MOVE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE AT A
9:37:14AM PUBLIC FORUM FOR THE FINAL LANGUAGE.
9:37:17AM I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT.
9:37:19AM I KIND OF EXPECT BECAUSE I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE STELLAR
9:37:24AM WORK.
9:37:24AM I GAVE YOU KUDOS WHEN WE HAD MY PRIVATE BRIEFING.
9:37:28AM I THINK YOU'VE BEEN LISTENING TO OUR PREVIOUS COUNCIL
9:37:30AM DECISIONS ON LAND USE AND YOU'VE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT SO MANY
9:37:34AM OF THE THINGS WE GUIDED AND PUSHED TOWARDS, WE HAD TO MAKE
9:37:37AM EXCEPTIONS FOR AND YOU INCORPORATED THAT INTO THIS PLAN.
9:37:39AM I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE SOMETHING DOESN'T SLIP THROUGH THE
9:37:43AM CRACKS THAT HAPPENS WHEN THESE CHANGES HAPPENS AND BEFORE IT
9:37:46AM GETS TRANSMITTED.
9:37:48AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: OKAY, YES.
9:37:48AM AS STEVEN JUST MENTIONED, TOO, WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU DOING
9:37:52AM A STAFF REPORT DURING A DAYTIME MEETING PERHAPS.
9:37:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: RIGHT.
9:37:56AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: SO THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
9:37:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHY DON'T WE WORK ON THAT BEHIND THE
9:38:01AM SCENES AND FIGURE OUT A DATE AND BRING THAT FORWARD.
9:38:03AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: OKAY.
9:38:04AM THANK YOU.
9:38:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU MENTIONED THE HERITAGE
9:38:08AM NEIGHBORHOODS.
9:38:08AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: YES.
9:38:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I THINK THAT IS A GREAT TITLE.
9:38:11AM IT'S NOT AS RESTRICTIVE AS A HISTORIC DISTRICT OR A LANDMARK
9:38:18AM OR, YOU KNOW, ALL THE OTHER MORE COMPLICATED ISSUES, BUT IT
9:38:22AM STILL PAYS HOMAGE WITH RESPECT TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE
9:38:28AM THERE ARE SO MANY HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGHOUT THE
9:38:30AM CITY.
9:38:30AM I LOVE THE NAME AND THE DETAILS BEHIND IT.
9:38:34AM I'M GLAD THAT'S ACKNOWLEDGED.
9:38:36AM ANYBODY ELSE?
9:38:36AM IF NOT, I'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:38:39AM THIS IS FOR NUMBER 2.
9:38:40AM WE HAVE NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS TODAY, IS THAT CORRECT?
9:38:43AM ALL RIGHT.
9:38:44AM IT'S NOW OPEN TO PUBLIC COMMENT TO DISCUSS THIS ITEM IF
9:38:47AM ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 2, COME ON UP.
9:38:51AM YES, MA'AM.
9:38:58AM GO AHEAD.
9:38:58AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:38:59AM >> HI.
9:39:00AM CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
9:39:01AM I HAVE BEEN TALKING A LOT WITH THEM ABOUT THIS, BUT I JUST
9:39:07AM YESTERDAY GOT THIS EXAMPLE OF THE ACTUAL EFFECT OF THE
9:39:11AM LANGUAGE.
9:39:11AM AND THOSE OF US WHO ARE NOT PLANNERS, WE NEED TO SEE
9:39:16AM EXAMPLES OF WHAT WILL HAPPEN.
9:39:17AM THIS IS WHAT MY BIG CONCERN IS.
9:39:21AM RIGHT NOW UNDER THE CURRENT PLAN, THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY
9:39:25AM THAT I GAVE THEM IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT UP TO 50 UNITS PER
9:39:29AM ACRE.
9:39:31AM THIS IS IN THE CHHA.
9:39:34AM BUT WITH THE PROPOSED CHANGES, THEY WILL BE ALLOWED UP TO 60
9:39:38AM UNITS BY ACRE.
9:39:40AM IN THE CHHA.
9:39:41AM LET ME EXPLAIN WHY THAT IS.
9:39:43AM RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE THESE LAND USE CATEGORIES, AND THEY ARE
9:39:49AM VERY MISLEADING.
9:39:50AM R-35 YOU WOULD THINK YOU CAN HAVE 35 ACRES BY RIGHT.
9:39:54AM BUT YOU CAN'T.
9:39:55AM YOU CAN ONLY HAVE 30.
9:39:57AM YOU ONLY GET 35 IF YOU DO A BONUS.
9:39:59AM THE CITY GETS SOMETHING FOR THAT EXTRA DENSITY.
9:40:02AM SO THIS IS A HUGE PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED.
9:40:06AM WHAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED IS THE NAME OF THE CATEGORIES.
9:40:09AM IN OTHER WORDS, YOU KEEP THE PROPERTY RIGHTS EXACTLY THE
9:40:12AM SAME.
9:40:14AM YOU JUST CHANGE THE NAME TO REFLECT WHAT THEIR RIGHTS ARE.
9:40:16AM SO R-35 BECOMES R-30 BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE ALLOWED BY
9:40:21AM RIGHT.
9:40:21AM YOU'RE NOT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY.
9:40:23AM YOU GIVE THEM THE EXACT SAME THING.
9:40:24AM JUST CHANGE THE NAME.
9:40:25AM LIKE IF YOU DECIDE TO GO THROUGH AND MAKE THEM ALL R, A, B,
9:40:29AM C, D, E, BUT KEPT THEIR RIGHTS THE SAME, NOT TAKING AWAY
9:40:34AM THEIR RIGHTS, JUST CHANGING THE NAME.
9:40:36AM THEY DID IT THE OPPOSITE WAY.
9:40:38AM INSTEAD OF CHANGING THE NAME TO FIT THE RIGHTS, THEY CHANGED
9:40:40AM THE RIGHTS TO FIT THE NAME.
9:40:42AM COUNCIL VOTED ON NOT ALLOWING BONUS PROVISIONS OR F.A.R.
9:40:48AM SOUTH OF KENNEDY.
9:40:50AM FOR SINGLE USE.
9:40:51AM THE ONLY THING THAT'S ALLOWED IS WHAT YOU ARE ALLOWED BY
9:40:53AM RIGHT.
9:40:54AM YET WITH THE SWEEPING CHANGE, THEY HAVE NOW INCREASED THEIR
9:40:58AM BY RIGHT FROM 50 UNITS AN ACRE TO 60 UNITS PER ACRE.
9:41:02AM AND THE CITY GETS NOTHING FOR IT.
9:41:04AM IT'S FREE.
9:41:05AM WHAT THEY SHOULD DO IS JUST CHANGE THE NAME IN OTHER PARTS
9:41:10AM BESIDES KENNEDY, THE CITY SHOULD GET SOMETHING FOR IT.
9:41:14AM THE BONUS IS WHAT PROVIDES THE EXTRA DENSITY.
9:41:16AM THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
9:41:17AM THE RESILIENT STRUCTURE.
9:41:18AM ALL THE DIFFERENT GOOD THINGS THAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT
9:41:21AM MAKING TO GET BONUS DENSITY, THAT'S WHAT THEY SHOULD GET.
9:41:25AM THEY SHOULDN'T GET THIS FOR FREE.
9:41:28AM IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.
9:41:29AM ANOTHER EXAMPLE, ALSO IN THE CHHA.
9:41:32AM THE SINGLE-USE RESIDENTIAL 50, UP TO 60.
9:41:35AM R-10, THEY ARE GOING TO DOUBLE THE DENSITY IN R-10.
9:41:40AM AND I SHOWED YOU ALL THOSE FLOODING, THOSE ARE WITHIN AN
9:41:43AM 8th OF A MILE OF DALE MABRY.
9:41:45AM SOUTH OF KENNEDY, THESE ARE ALL BONUS AREAS.
9:41:50AM SOUTH OF KENNEDY.
9:41:52AM THAT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
9:41:54AM CITY COUNCIL VOTED AGAINST ALLOWING BONUS DENSITY FOR SOUTH
9:41:58AM OF KENNEDY JUST FOR THE REASONS I SHOWED YOU.
9:42:00AM LOOK AT THE EVACUATION MAPS.
9:42:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:42:04AM >> I WOULD LIKE TO OBVIOUSLY DISCUSS THIS IN GREATER DETAIL.
9:42:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:42:06AM YES, MA'AM.
9:42:08AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:42:10AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:42:11AM STEPHANIE POYNOR.
9:42:12AM I WANT TO START OUT BY SAYING THERE ARE SOME REALLY GOOD
9:42:15AM CHANGES IN HERE.
9:42:16AM THERE REALLY ARE.
9:42:17AM BUT THERE'S ALSO SOME PROBLEMS THAT UNTIL YOU START TALKING
9:42:21AM ABOUT NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU DON'T SEE.
9:42:24AM AND THIS TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR STUFF THAT THEY WANT TO PUT
9:42:28AM WITHIN AN 8th OF A MILE WHERE WE CAN GET MORE DENSITY, I'M
9:42:32AM SORRY, BUT THOSE TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS SOUTH OF KENNEDY
9:42:35AM NEED TO BE TAKEN OFF THERE.
9:42:38AM STAFF CANNOT REMOVE THIS, CANNOT REMOVE THIS PART BUT YOU
9:42:43AM CAN.
9:42:43AM YOU CAN ASK STAFF TO TAKE EVERYTHING SOUTH OF KENNEDY OFF --
9:42:49AM EXTRA DENSITY.
9:42:51AM SORRY.
9:42:51AM I'M A MORON.
9:42:52AM I FORGOT TO HAND UP FRONT.
9:42:55AM 9375 UNITS.
9:42:58AM THAT'S JUST THE MULTIFAMILY.
9:43:00AM THAT'S JUST THE MULTIFAMILY.
9:43:01AM SOME NORTH OF GANDY, MOST SOUTH OF GANDY.
9:43:03AM PURPLE DOTS ARE SOUTH OF GANDY.
9:43:07AM THIS IS OUR CHHA MAP.
9:43:09AM HERE IS OUR TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR.
9:43:11AM YOU'RE KILLING US.
9:43:12AM I MEAN, SERIOUSLY.
9:43:14AM WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN OUR FAIR SHARE AND MORE.
9:43:16AM PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, AND THESE FOLKS WHO ARE HERE TODAY,
9:43:19AM THE PLANNING FOLKS ARE NOT THE PEOPLE WHO CAN ANSWER THE
9:43:21AM QUESTION.
9:43:21AM WHAT'S IN THE PIPELINE?
9:43:22AM NOBODY HAS EVER TOLD US.
9:43:26AM THIS IS WHAT'S IN THE PIPELINE AND WHAT HAS BEEN BUILT SINCE
9:43:29AM THE LAST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
9:43:31AM THAT WAS OUR DATE WAS THE LAST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
9:43:35AM CARROLL ANN HAS THE NUMBERS.
9:43:37AM FROM 2010 TO 2020, WE GAINED 14% OF THE POPULATION, BUT
9:43:41AM THAT'S ONLY WITH ABOUT 4,000 UNITS.
9:43:44AM WE HAVE 9,000.
9:43:47AM OVER 9,000 UNITS.
9:43:48AM IT'S ACTUALLY HIGHER THAN THAT WHEN WE GET INTO THE
9:43:51AM SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, BUT WE HAVEN'T PULLED THE GIS NUMBERS
9:43:54AM RECENTLY.
9:43:55AM MY TAX NUMBER IS ON HERE.
9:43:58AM I'M SORRY I DIDN'T HAND THIS TO YOU.
9:44:00AM OUR INCREASE IN THE TAX BASE IN OUR COMMUNITY ALONE IS
9:44:05AM ALMOST $9 MILLION ON THESE PROPERTIES.
9:44:10AM ALMOST $9 MILLION.
9:44:11AM WE HAVE DONE OUR FAIR SHARE.
9:44:14AM WE ARE CARRYING IT ON OUR BACK.
9:44:16AM ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
9:44:17AM ASK THE PLANNING STAFF TO REMOVE THESE CORRIDORS.
9:44:20AM ALL YOU ARE DOING IS CREATING A MORE DANGEROUS ENVIRONMENT
9:44:23AM FOR THE FOLKS WHO LIVE SOUTH OF GANDY.
9:44:26AM YOU DIDN'T PUT ALL THESE THINGS IN PLACE, BUT WHAT YOU CAN
9:44:32AM DO IS PROTECT US NOW.
9:44:34AM THE LAST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAID WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO GET
9:44:38AM MORE GROWTH YET WE'VE HAD THE HIGHEST GROWTH WITHIN THE
9:44:40AM CITY.
9:44:41AM THERE ARE PLENTY OF PLACES TO BUILD OTHER THINGS BESIDES
9:44:44AM SOUTH OF GANDY AND NORTH OF GANDY.
9:44:46AM WE NEED YOU TO PROTECT US.
9:44:47AM WE NEED YOU TO ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION BECAUSE THEY HAVE
9:44:52AM RULES THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW.
9:44:53AM THEY CAN'T CHANGE THESE MAPS.
9:44:55AM THEY CAN'T MAKE CHANGES, BUT YOU CAN.
9:44:57AM YOU CAN DO THE GRAY WORK.
9:45:01AM THIS IS GRAY WORK.
9:45:02AM PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY.
9:45:04AM CARROLL ANN SHOWED YOU FLOOD MAPS FROM NORTH OF GANDY.
9:45:06AM I HAVE FLOOD MAPS FROM SOUTH OF GANDY.
9:45:08AM I'M SORRY, LIKE I SAID, TECHNOLOGY IS KICKING OUR BUTTS THIS
9:45:12AM MORNING.
9:45:12AM I WANT TO HAND THESE IN FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
9:45:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:45:15AM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, YOU HAVE YOUR MICROPHONE ON AND
9:45:18AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:45:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DO.
9:45:20AM CAN WE ASK STAFF, PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY STAFF WOULD
9:45:22AM BE GOOD TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT COME FORTH IN THE PUBLIC
9:45:25AM COMMENT.
9:45:26AM STARTING TO WITH CARROLL ANN BENNETT'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE
9:45:30AM ZONING CHANGES AND INCREASE IN DENSITY.
9:45:32AM CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT FOR US, PLEASE?
9:45:34AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: YES.
9:45:35AM JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION.
9:45:37AM >>DAVID HEY: DAVID HEY, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
9:45:39AM REGARDING THE COMMENT REGARDING CHANGE THE NAME, JUST LOWER
9:45:44AM THE NAME DOWN FROM 60 TO 50 AND WE'LL SAY 35 TO 30, THE
9:45:48AM ISSUE THAT WE'RE CONFRONTED WITH IS HISTORICALLY THERE WAS A
9:45:53AM TIME WHEN, A, THERE WASN'T A BONUS.
9:45:55AM AND THEN EVEN WHEN THERE WAS A BONUS, THERE ARE PROJECTS
9:45:59AM CURRENTLY THAT HAVE ENTITLEMENTS THAT ARE BUILT WITHIN THAT
9:46:04AM RANGE, WE'LL SAY, OF 30 TO 35 OR 50 TO 60.
9:46:08AM IF WE ENDED UP CHANGING, REDUCING AND JUST SAYING NOW
9:46:13AM EVERYTHING WILL BE UMU 50, WE'RE CREATING A HUGE AMOUNT OF
9:46:17AM NONCONFORMITIES THAT LEGALLY WOULD CREATE POTENTIAL ISSUES
9:46:22AM FOR THE CITY BASED ON THAT HISTORIC THAT THERE WERE PREVIOUS
9:46:28AM APPROVALS.
9:46:28AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: QUESTION.
9:46:29AM ARE WE GIVING AWAY SOMETHING FOR FREE REFERENCE -- SO IF
9:46:33AM RIGHT NOW THAT PROPERTY IS ZONED SO THEY HAVE A CERTAIN
9:46:36AM ENTITLEMENT FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A NUMBER OF UNITS PER ACRE,
9:46:40AM BUT NOW WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO GRANT THEM WITHOUT BONUS
9:46:44AM DENSITY AN INCREASE, AREN'T WE GIVING THAT AWAY FOR FREE?
9:46:48AM >>DAVID HEY: WE MAY NEED THE ATTORNEYS TO ANSWER ABOUT
9:46:52AM EXISTING ENTITLEMENTS, IF THERE ARE EXISTING ENTITLEMENTS,
9:46:54AM THEY STILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE APPROVALS THAT THEY WERE
9:46:57AM GIVEN BY A PAST CITY COUNCIL FOR DENSITY.
9:47:01AM SO NONE OF THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED.
9:47:03AM IT WOULD ONLY BE FOR THINGS MOVING FORWARD TO YOU ALL, LIKE
9:47:09AM THEY WOULD -- IF SOMEONE SOUGHT A CHANGE TO AN EXISTING
9:47:13AM ZONING, THEY COULD POTENTIALLY COME IN AND ASK --
9:47:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'M CONCERNED, BECAUSE CLEARLY THIS
9:47:21AM OBVIOUSLY ESCAPED MY NOTICE WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE
9:47:23AM REVIEW.
9:47:24AM I'M CONCERNED IF WE ARE ACTUALLY NOW GRANTING ADDITIONAL
9:47:28AM ENTITLEMENTS WITHOUT HAVING ANY KIND OF PROVISIONS OR
9:47:33AM CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE CITY AND TO THE GROWTH OF THE CITY AND
9:47:36AM THE IMPACT THAT ADDITIONAL ENTITLEMENT HAS ON OUR CITY.
9:47:41AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: SURE.
9:47:42AM JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
9:47:44AM JUST GIVE ME A MOMENT SO I CAN ANSWER THAT TO THE BEST OF MY
9:47:52AM ABILITY.
9:47:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT'S TOUGH.
9:47:55AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: THIS CHANGE, THE THOUGHT BEHIND ALLOWING,
9:48:03AM YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW R-20 DOES NOT MEAN R-20.
9:48:06AM IT MEANS 18 BY RIGHT, 20 WITH A BONUS.
9:48:09AM THE PUBLIC, I HAVE TO EXPLAIN THAT WEEKLY IN MEETINGS WITH
9:48:14AM THE PUBLIC.
9:48:15AM THIS WAS REALLY A WAY TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE PUBLIC TO
9:48:21AM UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR LAND USE CATEGORIES ARE, WHAT THEY MEAN.
9:48:25AM I DO THINK DAVID BRINGS UP A REALLY GOOD POINT THAT WE WOULD
9:48:28AM RUN INTO A LOT OF NONCONFORMITIES.
9:48:32AM I WENT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN AND FOR SOME REASON IT'S
9:48:36AM BEEN LIKE THIS SINCE THE '80s.
9:48:38AM WE REALLY FEEL THAT THE CITY CAN GET MORE BENEFIT WITH THE
9:48:45AM NEW BONUS STRUCTURE AND USUALLY WHEN, TYPICALLY WHEN A
9:48:49AM REZONING COMES BEFORE YOU AND THEY ARE SEEKING A BONUS IN
9:48:52AM THE R-20 CATEGORY TO GET TO THEIR MAXIMUM, IT'S ONE UNIT
9:48:56AM TYPICALLY.
9:48:59AM AND SO WE DEFINITELY FEEL THAT THIS WOULD FOCUS MORE WHERE
9:49:03AM THE CITY NEEDS THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
9:49:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I UNDERSTAND THAT.
9:49:06AM NOW WE HAVE TO PAINT WITH A WIDE BRUSH, AND IF WE GRANT
9:49:09AM THESE ENTITLEMENTS FOR EVERY PARCEL, THE IMPACT AND NEGATIVE
9:49:13AM IMPACT, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.
9:49:15AM I'D HAVE TO SEE THE NUMBER OF PARCELS THAT WOULD NEGATIVELY
9:49:18AM AFFECT SAY THE NONCONFORMING VERSUS THE IMPACT IT HAS WITH
9:49:22AM THE -- WHAT THE REAL NUMBERS ARE.
9:49:24AM INTUITIVELY IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE GRANTING AN AWFUL LOT OF
9:49:28AM DENSITY FOR NOTHING IF WE ARE CARTE BLANCHE CHANGING THIS
9:49:32AM NOMENCLATURE IT JUST SEEMS, COMMON SENSE WOULD BE CHANGE THE
9:49:36AM NOMENCLATURE TO REFLECT WHAT THE ENTITLEMENT IS AND STICK
9:49:40AM WITH THE BONUS DENSITIES.
9:49:41AM HAVE THE NOMENCLATURE REFLECT EXACTLY THE ENTITLEMENT.
9:49:46AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: YEAH, I THINK SUSAN -- YEAH.
9:49:49AM >>DAVID HEY: CAN I SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE BONUSES?
9:49:51AM FOR A LONG TIME, AND SUSAN MIGHT REMEMBER THIS, A LONG TIME,
9:49:56AM SOME OF THE BONUSES NEEDED A TRANSIT STOP.
9:50:00AM YOU NEEDED EXTRA LANDSCAPING.
9:50:02AM IT WASN'T EVEN A MONETARY AMOUNT.
9:50:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: 100%.
9:50:08AM I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE STACKED THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING
9:50:11AM ABOUT TO GET TO BONUSES.
9:50:13AM I THINK THAT'S GREAT.
9:50:14AM I HAD A QUESTION LAST NIGHT AT A PUBLIC FORUM ASKING WHY
9:50:17AM PROPERTIES ARE BEING DEVELOPED ALONG THESE TRANSIT CORRIDORS
9:50:20AM ARE NOT CONTRIBUTING TO TRANSIT.
9:50:21AM THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA TO THROW INTO THE MIX.
9:50:25AM I'M ALL FOR THAT ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS TO DEVELOPING
9:50:29AM DENSITY.
9:50:29AM I STILL WANT -- I THINK, AS SUSAN I GUESS ARE CONFERRING.
9:50:35AM I'LL GIVE YOU A MINUTE.
9:50:36AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I THINK THE ISSUE IS REALLY THE
9:50:39AM CREATION OF NON--- SUSAN JOHNSON VELEZ, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
9:50:43AM THE ISSUE IS NONCONFORMITIES IF WE START CHANGING THE
9:50:47AM CATEGORIES TO REFLECT WITHOUT THE BONUS DENSITY.
9:50:50AM IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE --
9:50:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT APPEARS THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS
9:50:56AM COMING FORWARD WITH A PROPOSED CHANGE THAT IS GOING TO
9:50:58AM CHANGE THE DENSITY ALLOWED ON THESE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER
9:51:04AM WORD, FOR FREE.
9:51:05AM SO WE'RE -- THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO COME TO THE TABLE
9:51:11AM WITH ANY OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR THAT WOULD HELP
9:51:13AM IN DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY.
9:51:34AM >>STEPHEN BENSON: STEPHEN BENSON, CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR.
9:51:37AM I THINK WE CAN LOOK CLOSER AT IT.
9:51:38AM THE CONCERN -- AND NOT TO GET TOO INTO THE DETAILS -- THE
9:51:42AM CATEGORIES USED TO BE R-20 USED TO BE R-20 BY RIGHT.
9:51:47AM THERE'S EXISTING DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS ENABLED AT R-20, SO WE
9:51:50AM WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF NONCONFORMITIES WE WOULD
9:51:53AM BE CREATING BY DOING THIS.
9:51:55AM BECAUSE FOR NOW, SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK IN TO
9:51:57AM REBUILD AT THE R-20 BUT THEN HAVE TO PROVIDE A PUBLIC
9:52:01AM BENEFIT WHERE THEY DIDN'T PREVIOUSLY, THERE COULD BE A
9:52:03AM TAKING ISSUE WITH THAT.
9:52:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COULD WE CREATE TWO CATEGORIES?
9:52:09AM EXISTING VERSUS --
9:52:10AM >>STEPHEN BENSON: IT WOULD STILL BE THE SAME QUESTION WITH
9:52:14AM LEGAL.
9:52:15AM WE WOULD NEED TO WORK WITH LEGAL TO ADDRESS.
9:52:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CLEARLY I THINK THIS IS A CONCERN THAT WE
9:52:21AM NEED TO ADDRESS.
9:52:22AM AT LEAST HAVE THE DATA TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CONSEQUENCES
9:52:24AM ARE OF DOING -- TAKING THIS ACTION AS FAR AS CREATING THIS
9:52:29AM ADDITIONAL DENSITY FOR NOTHING.
9:52:33AM >>STEPHEN BENSON: POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
9:52:34AM IS THIS A CITYWIDE CONCERN OR SPECIFIC TO A GEOGRAPHY?
9:52:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK CLEARLY OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE ISSUES
9:52:41AM OF WHERE WE WANT TO DEVELOP GROWTH.
9:52:44AM I THINK AS FAR AS PLANNING AND MAKING INTENTIONAL DECISIONS
9:52:48AM AS COUNCIL AND WITH PLANNING COMMISSION AND ZONING THAT I
9:52:50AM THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THIS NAILED
9:52:53AM DOWN, WHAT THE CONSEQUENCES ARE AND WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE
9:52:57AM ACROSS THE CITY.
9:52:58AM OBVIOUSLY, THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE VERY SPECIFIC IN
9:53:00AM CERTAIN AREAS, BUT I THINK CITYWIDE WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND
9:53:04AM WHAT THE CONSEQUENCES OF THIS DECISION ACTUALLY ARE AND WHAT
9:53:07AM IT DELIVERS TO THE CITY AND WHAT WE'RE LOSING.
9:53:10AM >>STEPHEN BENSON: THE REASON I'M ASKING ABOUT GEOGRAPHY, IF
9:53:13AM WE END UP DISCOVERING THAT A CERTAIN PORTION OF THE CITY HAS
9:53:16AM MORE NONCONFORMITIES THAN OTHERS, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO LIMIT
9:53:18AM THE SOLUTION TO ADDRESS EVERYONE'S CONCERN.
9:53:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERYONE.
9:53:24AM LOOK AT THE DATA AND UNDERSTAND.
9:53:25AM CLEARLY WE WANT TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION BASED ON CHANGING
9:53:29AM THE CHANGES TO AN EXISTING CITY IS ALWAYS HARD BECAUSE WE
9:53:32AM DON'T HAVE A CLEAN, BLANK SLATE.
9:53:36AM I GET THAT BUT I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF US
9:53:39AM SO WE CAN MAKE THE BEST DECISION.
9:53:41AM THIS WAS SOMETHING, AGAIN, I'M SORRY THAT WE HAD TO DEAL
9:53:44AM WITH THIS AT COUNCIL.
9:53:45AM SOMETHING ESCAPED ME BEFOREHAND.
9:53:47AM GLAD IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN PUBLIC.
9:53:49AM KUDOS TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:53:51AM A LOT OF EYES ON THIS.
9:53:53AM SOMETHING THAT I THINK WORKS OUT VERY WELL.
9:53:55AM THANK YOU.
9:53:55AM THIS DEFINITELY NEEDS TO COME BACK TO US TO HAVE THIS
9:53:59AM DISCUSSION.
9:54:00AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION
9:54:03AM STAFF.
9:54:04AM DID YOU ALL WANT US TO ADDRESS THE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC
9:54:08AM COMMENT?
9:54:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WAS GOING TO GET TO THAT FIRST.
9:54:11AM BUT I THINK I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE THE PLANNING
9:54:16AM COMMISSION --
9:54:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOLD THE MOTIONS.
9:54:21AM WE HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:54:26AM >>BILL CARLSON: FIRST, I WANT TO ECHO WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE
9:54:30AM SAID.
9:54:31AM THANK YOU FOR ALL THE HARD WORK AND LISTENING.
9:54:33AM THERE IS A LOT OF STUFF THAT WE PUT IN THERE AND THERE'S
9:54:35AM STUFF THAT THE COMMUNITY PUT IN.
9:54:37AM IT'S OBVIOUS THAT YOU ALL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AND INPUT
9:54:41AM SERIOUSLY.
9:54:41AM PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF WORKING ON IT.
9:54:43AM SECOND, I PROBABLY HAVE THE OPPOSITE OPINION THAN MY
9:54:47AM COLLEAGUE ON BONUS DENSITY.
9:54:49AM I THINK WE SHOULD DO AWAY WITH IT COMPLETELY.
9:54:51AM I THINK WE SHOULD EITHER OFFER BY RIGHT FOR PEOPLE TO
9:54:56AM DEVELOP UP TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OR SHOULDN'T, AND WE SHOULD
9:55:00AM HAVE SIMPLE HARD RULES TO SAY YES OR NO.
9:55:04AM WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAY NO TO AREAS THAT WE DON'T WANT TO
9:55:07AM DEVELOP AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAY YES TO AREAS WE DO WANT
9:55:10AM TO DEVELOP.
9:55:11AM FEEDBACK FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, BONUS DENSITY GUMS
9:55:13AM UP THE PROCESS AND TAKES LONGER.
9:55:16AM IF WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO PAY FOR
9:55:19AM SOMETHING THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD HAVE PAID FOR, IF WE GET THE
9:55:21AM PROJECTS ONLINE FASTER, WE'LL HAVE AD VALOREM TAXES WE CAN
9:55:24AM USE TO PAY FOR THINGS.
9:55:26AM THE INCONSISTENCY IN HEIGHTS AND DENSITY JUST DOESN'T MAKE
9:55:29AM SENSE TO ME.
9:55:30AM WE SHOULD BE PLANNING INSTEAD OF INCENTIVIZING.
9:55:33AM WANT TO INCENTIVIZE, WE CAN PUT MONEY, I GUESS.
9:55:36AM TO ME THE BONUS DENSITY HAS ALWAYS BEEN A BAD IDEA.
9:55:40AM TO STEPHANIE POYNOR'S THOUGHT, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DO IT,
9:55:43AM BUT WE DEFINITELY SHOULD EXCLUDE SOUTH OF KENNEDY ON THAT
9:55:48AM MAP THAT SHE HAD.
9:55:51AM AS YOU ALL KNOW, I DISCOVERED THIS BY ACCIDENT FOUR OR SO
9:55:56AM YEARS AGO.
9:55:57AM THE ENTIRE CITY OF TAMPA IS IN A TRANSPORTATION CONCURRENCY
9:56:01AM EXCEPTION AREA.
9:56:02AM WHEN I PROPOSED TAKING IT OFF BECAUSE EVERYBODY COMPLAINS
9:56:07AM THAT THE TRAFFIC IS SO BAD.
9:56:09AM REASON THE TRAFFIC IS SO BAD BECAUSE THE ROADS ARE OVER
9:56:12AM CAPACITY IN MOST PLACES COMPARED TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
9:56:15AM YET CONTINUING TO OVERDEVELOP ESPECIALLY SOUTH OF GANDY AND
9:56:18AM SOUTH OF KENNEDY.
9:56:19AM IT'S NOT LIKE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE CAN HANDLE EXTRA GROWTH AND
9:56:23AM WE'RE ALLOWING IT.
9:56:25AM PRIOR CITY COUNCIL CREATED AN EXCEPTION AREA THAT SAID WE
9:56:29AM DON'T CARE THAT THE TRANSPORTATION IS OVERBURDENED AND THE
9:56:32AM INFRASTRUCTURE IS OVERBURDENED.
9:56:33AM WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW DEVELOPMENT ANYWAY.
9:56:37AM I THINK WE CAN'T ALLOW THAT, ESPECIALLY ON A PENINSULA,
9:56:40AM COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA WHERE PEOPLE CAN'T ESCAPE.
9:56:44AM I BELIEVE IN ALLOWING, AS I SAID, TAKING AWAY BONUS DENSITY,
9:56:48AM ALLOWING BY RIGHT DEVELOPMENT.
9:56:50AM STEVE AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE AREAS LIKE CHANNEL
9:56:52AM DISTRICT AND WESTSHORE AND DALE MABRY NORTH OF KENNEDY.
9:56:56AM WE SHOULD ALLOW MAXIMUM GROWTH IN AREAS WHERE PEOPLE DON'T
9:56:59AM OBJECT TO IT.
9:57:00AM BUT IN AREAS WHERE WE ARE ALREADY BURDENED, WHERE WE HAVE
9:57:03AM FLOODING AND PEOPLE CAN'T ESCAPE HURRICANES, WE SHOULDN'T BE
9:57:06AM ALLOWING MORE OF IT.
9:57:09AM YOU ALL CAN ADDRESS THAT IN A SECOND.
9:57:11AM THE OTHER THING THAT I WISH WAS IN HERE IS, AGAIN, THE
9:57:15AM MARITIME DESIGNATION OR THE PORT DESIGNATION.
9:57:18AM THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND ECONOMICS AND
9:57:23AM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WHO WANT TO GET RID OF OUR PORT AND
9:57:26AM BUILD CONDOS.
9:57:27AM IT IS THE MOST IDIOTIC THING I'VE SEEN BUT THEY ARE FIGHTING
9:57:31AM AS HARD AS THEY CAN TO GET RID OF THE PORT.
9:57:34AM IT'S A MAJOR STRATEGIC ASSET.
9:57:35AM IT IS THE BIGGEST ECONOMIC ENGINE THAT WE HAVE.
9:57:39AM GO BACK IN THE BUSINESS JOURNAL LAST SUMMER HAD A FIVE-PAGE
9:57:47AM ARTICLE ABOUT IT.
9:57:48AM THERE ARE THREE DEEPWATER CHANNELS IN THE PORT.
9:57:54AM THE FIRST THING THEY WANT TO DO IS GET RID OF THE FIRST ONE
9:57:57AM AND GET RID OF THE CRUISE INDUSTRY.
9:57:59AM THERE'S BEEN ARTICLE AFTER ARTICLE CRITICIZING THE CRUISE
9:58:03AM INDUSTRY.
9:58:03AM IF THE CRUISE INDUSTRY ISN'T THERE, THEN WE NEED TO PUT
9:58:05AM CONTAINER TERMINALS THERE.
9:58:07AM IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT WE PROTECT OUR PORT.
9:58:09AM THE AREAS THAT HAVE MOVED TO DEVELOPMENT OF CONDOS AND
9:58:13AM FESTIVAL MARKETPLACE AND THINGS, THEY HAVE REGRETTED IT AND
9:58:16AM THEY HAVE ENDED UP NOT WORKING THE WAY THEY WANT.
9:58:18AM IN THE FUTURE, HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW, UNLESS WE HAVE STAR
9:58:23AM TREK STYLE TRANSPORTERS, WE STILL NEED TO BRING GOODS IN AND
9:58:28AM WE'LL WISH WE HAD MORE PORT LAND, NOT LESS.
9:58:32AM WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PROTECT IT.
9:58:34AM THANK YOU.
9:58:35AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION
9:58:37AM STAFF.
9:58:38AM IF I COULD JUST ADDRESS A FEW OF THOSE.
9:58:41AM ON THE BONUS MAP, AREAS ELIGIBLE FOR THE TRANSIT BONUS, THE
9:58:47AM LIGHT YELLOW IS THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
9:58:50AM AND THIS KIND OF SHOWS WHERE IT CLIPS OUT THE ROADS WHERE
9:58:57AM APPLICANTS COULD NOT ASK FOR A BONUS IN THE COASTAL HIGH
9:59:00AM HAZARD AREA, EVEN IF ON A TRANSIT-READY CORRIDOR, LIKE THIS
9:59:04AM PORTION OF GANDY, THEY COULD NOT ASK FOR A BONUS.
9:59:07AM THOSE AREAS WE WOULD STILL SEEK PEDESTRIAN-ORIENTED DESIGN.
9:59:13AM THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, BUT WE ARE NOT ANTICIPATING THOSE
9:59:16AM AREAS BEING ELIGIBLE FOR A BONUS.
9:59:19AM WE DO SEE HOW IT WOULD CLIP OUT A LOT OF THESE AREAS SOUTH
9:59:23AM -- OR IN SOUTH TAMPA.
9:59:24AM SECOND, WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE PORT, AND THIS
9:59:29AM OVERLAYS THE PORT ACTIVITY CENTER ON THE MAP IN LIKE A PINK
9:59:35AM COLOR.
9:59:36AM A LOT OF WHERE WE WERE LOOKING TO PRESERVE INDUSTRIAL ARE
9:59:39AM PROPERTIES IN THE PORT ACTIVITY CENTER.
9:59:41AM SO THAT WAS THE RESPONSE TO THEM.
9:59:46AM INSTEAD OF THE MARITIME DESIGNATION, THIS WAS OUR ATTEMPT AT
9:59:49AM ADDRESSING THAT.
9:59:51AM THANK YOU.
9:59:52AM >>BILL CARLSON: COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT MEANS?
9:59:54AM HOW IT PROTECTS MARITIME?
9:59:57AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: YEAH, IF AN APPLICANT CAME IN -- LET ME
10:00:05AM FIND IT.
10:00:05AM WE USED THE PORT ACTIVITY CENTER OVERLAY TO SINGLE OUT THE
10:00:10AM AREAS WHERE WE WANTED TO SEEK INDUSTRIAL PRESERVATION.
10:00:15AM SO IF SOMEBODY CAME IN AND ASKED FOR A PLAN AMENDMENT IN ONE
10:00:19AM OF THESE CIRCLED AREAS, AND AS WE SEE, A LOT OF THIS IS IN
10:00:23AM THE PORT ACTIVITY CENTER, THAT WOULD WEIGH INTO STAFF'S
10:00:26AM CONSISTENCY FINDING.
10:00:28AM WE'RE NOT PROHIBITING PLAN AMENDMENTS, BUT STAFF WOULD TAKE
10:00:31AM THAT INTO CONSIDERATION IN OUR CONSISTENCY FINDING WOULD
10:00:35AM HAVE -- ABOUT INDUSTRIAL PRESERVATION IN THOSE AREAS.
10:00:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:00:43AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AS I'M REVIEWING ALL THIS, THE CITY IS
10:00:46AM CUT UP TO VARIOUS AREAS.
10:00:49AM IF THERE'S ANY TYPE OF HURRICANE FORGET ABOUT IT.
10:00:54AM NO ONE IS GETTING OUT UNLESS YOU LEAVE EARLY, I MEAN THREE
10:00:58AM DAYS EARLY.
10:00:59AM TAMPA IS JUST NOT A SQUARE BOX.
10:01:01AM CITY THAT MOVES ALL AROUND.
10:01:03AM IF THERE IS A PROBLEM IN THE NEW TAMPA AREA AROUND THE
10:01:06AM INTERSTATE, DO YOU THINK YOU'LL GET OUT?
10:01:07AM YOU CAN'T DRIVE ON I-4 NOW.
10:01:11AM WHAT ABOUT 75?
10:01:12AM IT IS THE SAME THING.
10:01:14AM IF THERE IS AN ACCIDENT ANYWHERE FROM HERE TO THE GEORGIA
10:01:17AM LINE, YOU'RE NOT GETTING OUT.
10:01:18AM YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY CITY BETWEEN HERE AND GEORGIA.
10:01:22AM YOU HAVE HUNDREDS OF THEM.
10:01:23AM AND THEY WILL BE IN THE SAME SITUATION WE ARE.
10:01:25AM THERE IS COMMON GOOD WHAT THE DISCUSSION HAS BEEN ABOUT.
10:01:30AM I'VE NEVER HEARD OF ANY ELECTED OFFICIAL, INCLUDING ME, WANT
10:01:34AM TO GET RID OF THE PORT.
10:01:36AM WE HAVE SAID OR I HAVE SAID THERE IS A REASON FOR
10:01:39AM COEXISTENCE.
10:01:41AM THERE WAS A TIME THAT THERE WAS VERY LITTLE GOING ON IN THE
10:01:43AM PORT.
10:01:44AM THERE WAS A TIME THERE WAS VERY LITTLE GOING ON IN
10:01:47AM CHANNELSIDE.
10:01:48AM THERE WAS A TIME LITTLE GOING ON IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:01:52AM THERE WAS A TIME WHEN THERE WAS NO HARBOUR ISLAND.
10:01:56AM THERE WAS A TIME WHEN THERE WERE NOT A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS
10:01:59AM IN TAMPA BUT 600 PRISONERS.
10:02:02AM WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THINGS HAVE TO CHANGE FOR A BIT.
10:02:05AM IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DRASTIC.
10:02:08AM BUT I SIT HERE AND I TELL MYSELF, WHAT CAN I DO TO STOP
10:02:14AM ANYTHING FROM HAPPENING THAT'S CRITICAL TO THE
10:02:17AM INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE CITIZENS THAT WE PROTECT.
10:02:20AM I CAN TELL YOU THAT -- I'VE HEARD THIS BEFORE.
10:02:24AM I'LL SAY IT AGAIN.
10:02:25AM IT WAS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS BECAUSE THERE'S NO PUMPS THAT
10:02:28AM PUMPS THE WATER NORTH SOMEWHERE.
10:02:32AM WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUMPS THAT GO THAT WAY.
10:02:35AM SO YOU THINK WE'RE NOT GOING TO FLOOD?
10:02:36AM ANSWER THAT TO YOURSELF.
10:02:41AM FROM YBOR CITY TO EAST TAMPA TO WEST TAMPA ARE THE HIGHEST
10:02:48AM POINTS IN THE CITY.
10:02:49AM THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE NOT GOING TO FLOOD.
10:02:51AM THAT MEANS THEY WOULD BE THE LAST ONES TO FLOOD.
10:02:53AM DOWNTOWN WILL FLOOD.
10:02:57AM WE CAN'T STOP THE INEVITABLE.
10:02:59AM WE CAN DO SOMETHING TO HELP IT, AND THAT'S THROUGH THE
10:03:03AM ENVIRONMENT.
10:03:03AM YOU KNOW WHAT?
10:03:04AM VERY LITTLE HAS BEEN DONE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BONUSES FOR
10:03:07AM THINGS THAT HELP THE LIFE-SUPPORTING THINGS, LITTLE TO NONE
10:03:12AM HAVE WE EVER PASSED.
10:03:16AM GET A BONUS IF YOU DO CERTAIN THINGS FOR A BUILDING SO IT
10:03:19AM WOULD ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE IN SOCIETY OF TRYING TO
10:03:22AM LIVE.
10:03:22AM SO WE HAVEN'T DONE MUCH IN THAT AREA AND AT LEAST LOOK AT
10:03:28AM IT.
10:03:29AM BONUSES ARE GIVING RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY TO WHAT THE CODE SAYS.
10:03:36AM HOWEVER, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE YOU CAN DO IF YOU APPLY THOSE
10:03:40AM BONUSES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, GOVERNMENT PAID 10 OR $15
10:03:46AM MILLION TO PUT 20 UNITS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
10:03:51AM AND TO HELP SUSTAIN THE SUSTAINABILITY OF LIFE BY HAVING A
10:03:56AM BUILDING THAT WON'T CRUMBLE LIKE HAS HAPPENED BEFORE IN
10:03:59AM OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
10:04:01AM WHEN YOU'RE NEAR THE SHORELINE, I DON'T CARE HOW DEEP YOU GO
10:04:07AM AND HOW WELL YOU BUILT THE BUILDING, SOONER OR LATER, MAYBE
10:04:10AM IN A THOUSAND YEARS, THOSE PILLARS ARE NOT GOING TO HOLD.
10:04:15AM I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT BUT I DON'T THINK
10:04:22AM WE'VE COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.
10:04:23AM I REALLY DON'T.
10:04:25AM I THINK EVERYONE WHO SPOKE HAS A RIGHTNESS TO SAY WHAT THEY
10:04:28AM SAID AND I BELIEVE WHAT THEY SAID.
10:04:30AM BUT DOES IT SOLVE THE PROBLEM?
10:04:31AM SO WHAT'S THE ANSWER?
10:04:33AM THERE IS NO ANSWER RIGHT NOW.
10:04:38AM WE ARE HAVING PEOPLE MOVING INTO THIS AREA, WHETHER TAMPA,
10:04:43AM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, ST. PETE, CLEARWATER, PINELLAS COUNTY,
10:04:46AM PASCO COUNTY, MULBERRY, BARTOW.
10:04:50AM I KNOW FRIENDS OF MINE THAT MOVED TO MULBERRY BECAUSE THEY
10:04:54AM COULD BUY SOMETHING MUCH CHEAPER THAN HERE AND THEY WORK
10:04:58AM HERE.
10:04:58AM AND THAT'S WONDERFUL.
10:04:59AM BUT IT GETS TO THE POINT YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.
10:05:02AM WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A
10:05:05AM SOLUTION.
10:05:06AM AND I DON'T KNOW OF ONE RIGHT NOW.
10:05:08AM ANYBODY HAVE A SOLUTION, LET US KNOW.
10:05:11AM THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:05:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
10:05:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
10:05:15AM I'M GOING TO ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF TO BRING BACK
10:05:21AM THE MAP OF THE TRANSIT CORRIDORS.
10:05:26AM I'M GOING TO ASK MS. BENNETT TO BRING BACK HER HIGHLIGHTED
10:05:32AM SHEETS ABOUT THE SPECIFIC BECAUSE I THINK MY QUESTION IS, IT
10:05:38AM SEEMS TO BE IF I WAS READING HER SHEETS CORRECTLY, THOSE
10:05:47AM PARTICULAR BUSINESSES ARE ON WHAT WOULD BE TRANSIT-READY
10:05:51AM CORRIDORS.
10:05:52AM JUST GO AHEAD.
10:05:53AM YEAH.
10:05:54AM I GUESS GIVE THEM TO MS. MALONE AND WE'LL KIND OF LIKE JUST
10:05:58AM TALK THIS OUT.
10:05:59AM SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE -- SO THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT
10:06:04AM WOULD PROVIDE EXPANSION OF DENSITY EVERYWHERE.
10:06:14AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: RIGHT.
10:06:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS WOULD BE SPECIFIC TO THE TRANSIT
10:06:19AM CORRIDORS?
10:06:19AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: THE TRANSIT CORRIDORS HAS ITS OWN BONUS
10:06:24AM UNDER THE NEW BONUS STRUCTURE.
10:06:25AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT ABOUT THIS?
10:06:26AM THIS SINGLE USE RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT NOW IT'S UMU 60, AND THEY
10:06:30AM CAN GET UP TO 50, BUT UMU 60.
10:06:35AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: RIGHT, EXACTLY.
10:06:36AM THE CHANGES, WE'RE PROPOSING THE UMU 60 WOULD BE 60 UNITS BY
10:06:43AM RIGHT, AND THEN THE BONUS WOULD BE ANYTHING ABOVE 60.
10:06:48AM SO IT WOULD BE MORE OF A TRUE BONUS STRUCTURE.
10:06:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK: AND YOU'RE SAYING THE REASON YOU CAN'T DO 50
10:06:56AM IS BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY ARE ALLOWED -- THAT WOULD BE
10:07:00AM REDUCING THEIR ALLOWABLE DENSITY?
10:07:03AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: RIGHT.
10:07:04AM IF WE PULL THE CATEGORY BACK DOWN AND CALL IT UMU 50 AND IN
10:07:08AM THE WHOLE CITY -- I'LL LET DAVID CHIME IN.
10:07:11AM >>DAVID HEY: SURE.
10:07:12AM DAVID HEY, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
10:07:13AM REPEAT YOUR QUESTION AGAIN.
10:07:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK: BASICALLY WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THAT
10:07:21AM RIGHT NOW UMU 60 MEANS 50, BUT IF YOU CHANGED IT TO UMU 50,
10:07:28AM YOU WOULD BE REDUCING A PROPERTY OWNER'S RIGHT TO BUILD TO A
10:07:36AM DENSITY.
10:07:36AM >>DAVID HEY: FOR YEARS WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY
10:07:41AM OF WHEN WE WOULD WRITE OUR ZONING REPORTS, TO US AT THE
10:07:44AM PLANNING COMMISSION, UMU 60 MEANS 60.
10:07:47AM YOU CAN GET -- THERE IS A WAY TO GET TO 60.
10:07:50AM IT'S JUST THAT ANYTHING OVER 50 RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE TO DO A
10:07:57AM BONUS.
10:07:57AM YOU HAVE TO GO IN AND PAY.
10:08:01AM THERE IS A VERY ELABORATE CALCULATION THAT I'VE NEVER BEEN
10:08:05AM ABLE -- BUT IT'S IN THE CODE.
10:08:07AM IF THEY MEET THAT, THEN -- AND YOU ALL APPROVE IT, YOU HAVE
10:08:13AM TO APPROVE IT, THEN THEY ARE ABLE TO GO TO WE'LL SAY 55 OR
10:08:17AM 59 UNITS AN ACRE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AS LONG AS YOU ALL
10:08:22AM APPROVE OF IT AND THEY PAY THEIR MONEY TO THE CITY.
10:08:25AM THIS WOULD -- THE CONCERN THAT WE HAD IS THAT THERE ARE
10:08:32AM EXISTING ENTITLEMENTS NOW AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT THERE ARE
10:08:39AM SOME SITTING OUT ON PAPER THAT WE DON'T EVEN SEE OUT THERE
10:08:42AM THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT.
10:08:43AM THEY HAVE THE APPROVALS.
10:08:45AM THEY ARE WAITING TO DEVELOP.
10:08:47AM IF WE JUST REDUCED IT DOWN TO 50, IF THEY CAME IN FOR A
10:08:52AM CHANGE, RIGHT, TO THEIR ZONING, IT CREATES -- WELL, IF THEY
10:08:56AM TRY TO BUILD, THEN IT CREATES A NONCONFORMITY ISSUE AND THE
10:09:03AM EXISTING ONES THAT ARE THERE NOW.
10:09:04AM WE'LL SAY ONE GOT DEVELOPED AT 55 DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE,
10:09:08AM RIGHT?
10:09:08AM AND IT'S SITTING OUT THERE AND A STORM COMES THROUGH AND THE
10:09:13AM CITY HAS CHANGED IT NOW TO 50, THERE ARE ALL THESE INSURANCE
10:09:18AM ISSUES, LEGAL ISSUES THAT THE LAWYERS COULD PROBABLY ADDRESS
10:09:22AM BETTER THAN I CAN, THAT IT ENDS UP CREATING A HUGE PROBLEM
10:09:27AM FOR THOSE EXISTING PEOPLE THAT HAVE THOSE ENTITLEMENTS.
10:09:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN GRANDFATHER THAT IN.
10:09:37AM >>DAVID HEY: THAT MIGHT BE AN ATTORNEY QUESTION.
10:09:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS A LEGAL QUESTION, I'M GUESSING.
10:09:43AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION
10:09:45AM STAFF.
10:09:45AM ANOTHER ITEM THAT KIND OF POPPED INTO MY HEAD ABOUT THIS,
10:09:49AM RIGHT NOW UNDER THE CURRENT STRUCTURE, UMU 60 DOES NOT MEAN
10:09:53AM UMU 60.
10:09:54AM IT MEANS 50 AND THEN 60 BY RIGHT.
10:09:57AM THE PLAN DOES NOT LIMIT WHERE YOU CAN GET UP TO THAT 60.
10:10:00AM ANYWHERE IN THE CITY, EVEN IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA,
10:10:03AM YOU CAN GET UP TO THAT 60.
10:10:05AM THROUGH THE NEW STRUCTURE WE WERE HOPING TO MAKE THE 60, 60,
10:10:11AM BUT THE BONUS, ANYTHING ABOVE THAT, YOU CANNOT ASK FOR IN
10:10:14AM THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA EXCEPT IN COMMUNITY
10:10:17AM REDEVELOPMENT AGENCIES.
10:10:18AM SO WE WOULD NEED TO TAKE -- WE WOULD NEED TO RESTRUCTURE IF
10:10:24AM IT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL, WE WOULD REALLY HAVE TO GO
10:10:27AM BACK AND LOOK AT ALL OF OUR NUMBERS, LOOK AT ALL OF OUR
10:10:30AM BONUSING TO MAKE SURE, LIKE DAVID SAID, WE'RE NOT GOING TO
10:10:33AM CREATE ANY NONCONFORMITIES BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE
10:10:36AM THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, TODAY, IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
10:10:39AM AREA, SOMEBODY CAN ASK COUNCIL FOR UP TO 60 UNITS AN ACRE.
10:10:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS NOT ALLOW
10:10:47AM PEOPLE TO GET TO THOSE.
10:10:50AM THAT IS THE REASON WE'RE DOING THIS, RIGHT?
10:10:52AM TO TRY TO REDUCE THE BONUS DENSITY IN OUR COASTAL HIGH
10:10:57AM HAZARD AREA, RIGHT?
10:11:00AM >>DAVID HEY: YEAH, IT'S A DEVELOPMENT RIGHT ISSUE THAT WE'RE
10:11:03AM DEALING WITH BECAUSE IF WE REDUCE IT DOWN, THE CONCERN IS
10:11:13AM THAT WE'RE CREATING A BUNCH OF LEGAL ISSUES THAT THE BENEFIT
10:11:23AM WOULD -- THE PROBLEMS WITH THE CREATION OF REDUCING IT,
10:11:28AM WOULD WE AS STAFF FEEL THAT YOU'RE CREATING A HUGE, BIGGER
10:11:32AM PROBLEM IN THE LEGAL NONCONFORMITY AREA.
10:11:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
10:11:37AM I GET IT.
10:11:38AM RIGHT NOW, THERE IS A WAY FOR PEOPLE TO GET TO 60.
10:11:42AM >>DAVID HEY: OH, YEAH.
10:11:43AM THEY COME TO YOU.
10:11:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT IF WE TAKE IT DOWN TO 50, THEN WE'RE
10:11:49AM STOPPING THEIR ABILITY TO GET WHAT THEY ALREADY HAD.
10:11:54AM AND THAT'S A LEGAL PROBLEM.
10:11:58AM MS. JOHNSON VELEZ.
10:12:01AM >> CAN I EXPLAIN MY THING RIGHT HERE?
10:12:03AM >>LYNN HURTAK: ONE SECOND.
10:12:04AM I PROMISE -- LIKE, I'M TRYING TO --
10:12:07AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
10:12:09AM YES, IT COULD CREATE SOME LEGAL ISSUES WITH REDUCING
10:12:15AM PEOPLE'S PROPERTY RIGHTS.
10:12:17AM I WOULD REMIND COUNCIL SOMETHING THAT JUST OCCURRED TO ME AS
10:12:20AM WE'RE LISTENING TO THE DISCUSSION IS THAT THERE IS -- I KNOW
10:12:22AM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT,
10:12:25AM SPECIFICALLY THIS MORNING, BUT IN THE COMP PLAN, THERE'S
10:12:27AM ALSO A PROPERTY RIGHTS ELEMENT THAT REQUIRES COUNCIL TO TAKE
10:12:31AM INTO CONSIDERATION THE IMPACTED PROPERTY RIGHTS WHEN YOU'RE
10:12:35AM DEALING WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL.
10:12:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
10:12:38AM MS. BENNETT.
10:12:39AM >> I WANT TO POINT OUT ON MY THING, THIS IS THE CURRENT
10:12:43AM PLAN.
10:12:43AM THESE NONCONFORMITIES EXIST TODAY ALREADY UNDER THE CURRENT
10:12:49AM PLAN.
10:12:49AM WE'RE NOT CREATING NONCONFORMITIES.
10:12:52AM WE ALREADY HAVE THEM.
10:12:53AM UNDER THE CURRENT PLAN, SINGLE RESIDENTIAL USE CAN DO UP TO
10:12:57AM 50 UNITS PER ACRE BY RIGHT.
10:12:59AM IF YOU DON'T CHANGE THE COMP PLAN, THAT STAYS.
10:13:06AM IF YOU DON'T CHANGE THE NAME OF UMU 60 TO UMU 50, AND YOU
10:13:11AM DON'T DO THE PROPOSED CHANGES, WHICH GIVES THEM 60 UNITS PER
10:13:15AM ACRE BY RIGHT, THE NONCONFORMITIES, THEY EXIST TODAY AND
10:13:20AM THEY'LL STAY THERE.
10:13:21AM LET ME JUST POINT OUT, THIS IS NO BONUS DUE TO THE CHHA.
10:13:26AM SO THESE TWO PROPERTIES HERE ARE BOTH IN THE CHHA, YET WITH
10:13:32AM THE CHANGE, THEY ARE GOING TO GET AN INCREASED DENSITY.
10:13:36AM LET ME ALSO POINT OUT THAT CITY COUNCIL PASSED A RESOLUTION
10:13:40AM THAT SOUTH OF KENNEDY FOR SINGLE USE.
10:13:42AM YOU CAN'T BONUS.
10:13:43AM YOU CAN'T USE F.A.R.
10:13:45AM AND YET THIS WILL CHANGE THAT.
10:13:48AM THIS IS GOING TO THROW THAT INTO CONFUSION BECAUSE NOW YOU
10:13:52AM UPPED THEIR BY RIGHT.
10:13:54AM LET ME ALSO POINT OUT THAT THE CURRENT COMP PLAN SAYS YOU
10:13:57AM CAN'T DO A COMP PLAN CHANGE THAT CHANGES, INCREASES THE
10:14:01AM DENSITY IN THE CHHA.
10:14:03AM IT SAYS THAT NOW.
10:14:04AM BUT THIS INCREASES THE DENSITY IN THE CHHA.
10:14:09AM BOTH OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE IN THE CHHA, AND IT SAYS RIGHT
10:14:11AM THERE THEY GO FROM 650 -- 50 TO 60.
10:14:15AM IF THE NAME IS CONFUSING AND I HATE IT, BUT MAKING IT LESS
10:14:19AM CONFUSING CREATES THIS NEW BY RIGHT, THEN DON'T CHANGE THE
10:14:23AM NAME AND WE'LL LIVE WITH THE CONFUSION.
10:14:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION FOR LEGAL THEN ON A
10:14:31AM DIFFERENT TOPIC.
10:14:37AM IF YOU JUST TAKE OFF THE PIECE THAT'S THERE NOW AND JUST
10:14:41AM LOOKING AT THIS MAP, WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS IN MY PREP
10:14:48AM SESSION, ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WAS THE LEGALITY
10:14:55AM OF BEING ABLE TO TAKE ANYTHING SOUTH OF KENNEDY OFF FOR A --
10:15:05AM OR TO TAKE THINGS OFF BECAUSE OF THE COASTAL HIGH -- NOT
10:15:08AM BECAUSE OF COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA, AND IF WE COULD
10:15:12AM ACTUALLY STOP THE TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS AT KENNEDY LEGALLY
10:15:17AM OR IF THAT OPENS UP A HOLE FOR DEVELOPERS TO COME FORWARD
10:15:25AM AND CHALLENGE.
10:15:34AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WE WOULD STILL WANT
10:15:37AM THE TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS TO EXIST EVEN IF THERE BE NO
10:15:42AM BONUS BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO -- THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO
10:15:45AM MEET THE DESIGN CRITERIA.
10:15:47AM BUILDINGS UP TO THE ROAD, PARKING IN THE REAR, THINGS LIKE
10:15:51AM THAT.
10:15:51AM WE DID HAVE A LOT OF THOUGHT IN UTILIZING THE COASTAL HIGH
10:15:57AM HAZARD AREA FOR THIS MAP AND FOR THE PURPOSES OF NOT
10:16:01AM ALLOWING BONUSES WITHIN IT BECAUSE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA
10:16:05AM IS DEFINED BY STATE STATUTE AND IT IS A PLANNING TOOL THAT
10:16:09AM WE USE AND THE MAP IS ADOPTED.
10:16:11AM SO THAT DOES GIVE A LOT OF WEIGHT TO THAT BOUNDARY.
10:16:17AM >>DAVID HEY: ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
10:16:18AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I THINK THERE ARE CERTAIN ELEMENTS
10:16:20AM THAT KIND OF FLOW ALONG WITH THE TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS
10:16:24AM THAT AREN'T RELATED TO BONUSING, RIGHT?
10:16:26AM ALL THE ELEMENTS KIND OF WORK TOGETHER, RIGHT?
10:16:29AM DESPITE THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS SOUTH
10:16:33AM OF KENNEDY, THAT CAN HAVE BENEFITS IN OTHER AREAS THAT DON'T
10:16:38AM INCLUDE BONUSING BECAUSE IT IS IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
10:16:42AM AREA.
10:16:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SHE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE BONUSES --
10:16:51AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: THE DESIGN CRITERIA.
10:16:52AM SO WE WOULD BE SEEKING A CERTAIN LEVEL OF DESIGN TO KIND OF
10:16:55AM CREATE THAT WALKABLE MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT.
10:16:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
10:16:58AM THANK YOU.
10:16:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
10:17:01AM YOU HAD A MOTION?
10:17:02AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE
10:17:03AM PLANNING COMMISSION COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL ON SEPTEMBER
10:17:07AM 19 TO PRESENT A PLAN FOR PRESERVING EXISTING DENSITY ON
10:17:11AM PROPERTIES WITHOUT INCREASING DENSITY AND F.A.R.s IN THIS
10:17:18AM TRANSMITTAL.
10:17:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
10:17:21AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:17:27AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
10:17:29AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: CAN I HEAR THE MOTION AGAIN?
10:17:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MY MOTION WAS YOU COME BACK TO CITY
10:17:33AM COUNCIL ON SEPTEMBER 19 TO PRESENT A PLAN TO PRESERVE
10:17:39AM EXISTING DENSITIES WITHOUT INCREASING DENSITIES AND
10:17:42AM F.A.R.s ON THE TRANSMITTAL.
10:17:47AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: ON TRANSIT-READY CORRIDORS?
10:17:49AM OH, PRIOR TO TRANSMITTING.
10:17:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE
10:17:53AM PLAN THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PRESENT -- PRESERVES THE PROPERTY
10:17:57AM RIGHT --
10:18:05AM BASED ON THAT MOTION, I WOULD EXPECT YOU ALL TO COME BACK
10:18:08AM AND EXPLAIN TO US AGAIN -- DISCUSSED ABOUT -- WHILE I'M AT
10:18:15AM THIS.
10:18:16AM SUSAN, ON BONUS DENSITIES, IS THAT AN ENTITLEMENT?
10:18:19AM IS THAT A PROPERTY RIGHT?
10:18:21AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: NO, IT'S NOT.
10:18:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S WHAT I'M ASSUMING.
10:18:24AM AGAIN, SO WE'RE INCREASING THIS --
10:18:28AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: IT'S NOT BY RIGHT.
10:18:30AM IT'S SOMETHING COUNCIL HAS TO APPROVE.
10:18:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IF WE ELIMINATE BONUS DENSITIES WE'RE NOT
10:18:34AM TAKING SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY RIGHTS AWAY.
10:18:36AM IF WE CITY WIDE REMOVED ALL BONUS DENSITIES, WOULD WE
10:18:42AM JEOPARDIZE FOLKS' PROPERTY RIGHTS AND WOULD THEY HAVE
10:18:46AM RECOURSE?
10:18:48AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: I THINK STEPHEN HAS A PRESENTATION NEXT
10:18:51AM THAT MIGHT HELP ANSWER MORE OF THESE QUESTIONS.
10:18:54AM I'M HAPPY TO -- JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF
10:18:58AM -- TAKE WHATEVER DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL THAT YOU ALL WOULD
10:19:00AM LIKE TO GIVE US.
10:19:01AM I DO THINK IN THE NEXT ITEM, SOME PIECES OF THE PUZZLE MIGHT
10:19:05AM BECOME MORE CLEAR WITH REGARD TO ALL OF THESE.
10:19:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY.
10:19:09AM I DON'T THINK ANYTHING IS GOING TO BE SAID THAT'S GOING TO
10:19:11AM REMOVE MY CONCERN ABOUT THE INCREASE IN DENSITY ON THESE
10:19:15AM PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE JUST GIVING AWAY FOR FREE.
10:19:18AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
10:19:20AM JUST FOR CLARITY ON THE MOTION, YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO --
10:19:25AM THESE PROPERTIES OR EVERYWHERE IN THE CITY?
10:19:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WANTED TO HAVE A PLAN, WITH THE
10:19:30AM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REFLECT THAT WE DO NOT INCREASE DENSITY
10:19:35AM ON THE PROPERTIES.
10:19:38AM THE BY RIGHT DENSITIES AND F.A.R.s.
10:19:41AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THAT'S CITYWIDE.
10:19:43AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES.
10:19:44AM CITYWIDE.
10:19:45AM I THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE OF A QUAGMIRE IF WE TRIED TO
10:19:49AM PARCEL THIS OUT.
10:19:50AM I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE COMPREHENSIVE AND CITYWIDE.
10:19:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY.
10:19:52AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WAS A MUCH CLEARER DIRECTION.
10:19:58AM COULD YOU INCORPORATE THAT LANGUAGE INTO THAT MOTION THAT
10:20:01AM YOU JUST MADE?
10:20:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: REFRESH MY MEMORY OF WHAT I JUST SAID THAT
10:20:08AM WAS SO CLEAR.
10:20:09AM [ LAUGHTER ]
10:20:13AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M JUST LOOKING AT -- WHAT I'M CONCERNED
10:20:16AM ABOUT IS WHAT ENDS UP IN PRINT THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION
10:20:20AM WILL RELY ON TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL.
10:20:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PLANNING COMMISSION COME TO CITY COUNCIL
10:20:25AM ON SEPTEMBER 19 AND PRESENT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT
10:20:30AM PRESERVES EXISTING PROPERTY RIGHT DENSITY, BY RIGHT DENSITY,
10:20:37AM WITHOUT INCREASING DENSITY OR F.A.R.
10:20:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THAT CLEAR?
10:20:45AM >>DAVID HEY: I'M TRYING TO --
10:20:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FOR EXPLANATION, NOT PART OF THE MOTION.
10:20:49AM JUST FOR EXPLANATION.
10:20:50AM AGAIN, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT WHAT WE JUST DISCOVERED -- WHAT
10:20:54AM WE DISCOVERED DURING THIS PUBLIC FORUM IS THAT THE CHANGING
10:21:00AM OF THE DENSITY CLASSIFICATIONS WAS GOING TO INCREASE
10:21:05AM ENTITLED PROPERTY ENTITLEMENTS AND PROPERTY -- SO I WANT TO
10:21:09AM MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.
10:21:13AM WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.
10:21:14AM >>DAVID HEY: OKAY.
10:21:15AM JUST FOR MY OWN CLARITY SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
10:21:18AM WILL YOU WANT RECOMMENDATIONS BACK OR YOU'RE DIRECTING THAT
10:21:24AM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN NOT INCREASE ANY DENSITY ANYONE IN
10:21:28AM THE CITY?
10:21:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DIRECTION.
10:21:31AM UNLESS YOU GUYS COME WITH A COMPELLING LEGAL REASON WHY IT
10:21:34AM CAN'T HAPPEN, BUT DIRECTION WITHOUT A COMPELLING LEGAL
10:21:37AM REASON.
10:21:48AM >>STEPHEN BENSON: CAN I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION?
10:21:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES, SIR.
10:21:51AM >>STEPHEN BENSON: THIS IS LIMITED TO THE CHHA BECAUSE THAT
10:21:54AM IS WHERE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TO ELIMINATE THE ABILITY TO
10:21:58AM BONUS.
10:21:58AM WHAT YOU'RE ASKING --
10:21:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WELL, NO.
10:22:00AM >>STEPHEN BENSON: THIS IS MY QUESTION.
10:22:02AM I KNOW THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
10:22:06AM I KNOW THE AREAS.
10:22:08AM THE RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT WE WOULD REMOVE THE ABILITY TO
10:22:10AM BONUS.
10:22:10AM YOU CAN GET TO 60 UNITS RIGHT NOW IF YOU BONUS.
10:22:13AM IF WE CONTINUE TO REMOVE BONUSING IN THE COASTAL AND THE
10:22:16AM DIRECTION IS TO MOVE THE DENSITY DOWN TO 50, WE ARE TAKING
10:22:20AM AWAY THE ABILITY TO HIT 60 FOR PROPERTIES THAT CAN HIT 60
10:22:23AM NOW BECAUSE WE ARE ALSO TAKING THE BONUS AT THE SAME TIME.
10:22:26AM THERE ARE TWO THINGS HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME HERE.
10:22:28AM AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO SAY EARLIER.
10:22:30AM I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING MORE CLEAR.
10:22:32AM WE NEED DIRECTION FOR THOSE SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES, WHAT
10:22:35AM COUNCIL'S INTENT IS BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHERE LEGAL WILL
10:22:38AM FOCUS.
10:22:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I BELIEVE YOU ENCAPSULATED THE INTENT.
10:22:43AM IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA, WE'RE REMOVING DENSITY.
10:22:46AM BUT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE LOOK AT CITYWIDE AND HOW
10:22:52AM WE'LL ZONE THE PROPERTY, I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE AN
10:22:55AM ENTITLEMENT THAT TODAY WOULD BE AN ENTITLEMENT TO BUILD TO
10:22:59AM 50 WITH BONUS TO AN ENTITLEMENT TO BUILD TO 60 WITHOUT
10:23:03AM BONUS.
10:23:07AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: CITYWIDE OR COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA?
10:23:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK CITYWIDE.
10:23:12AM IF WE CREATE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT NEEDS TO BE CITYWIDE.
10:23:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT THEY ARE SAYING IT'S ONLY IN THE COASTAL
10:23:17AM HIGH HAZARD AREA.
10:23:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO ZONING CLASSIFICATION CAN EXIST
10:23:20AM ANYWHERE AND WE'LL INCREASE DENSITY ANYWHERE, CORRECT?
10:23:23AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, AT THE END OF IT, WE
10:23:26AM WOULD MAYBE PERHAPS NEED TO LOOK AT HAVING TWO BONUS
10:23:29AM STRUCTURES.
10:23:30AM ONE IN THE COASTAL AND ONE OUTSIDE OF THE COASTAL.
10:23:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO BONUS DENSITY IN THE COASTAL.
10:23:35AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: ALLOW THE PROPERTIES THAT CAN ALREADY
10:23:38AM BONUS IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA FROM 50 TO 60, TODAY
10:23:41AM THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS ON THAT.
10:23:43AM WE WOULD NEED TO RETAIN THAT AND THEN PERHAPS OUTSIDE OF THE
10:23:46AM COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA, THEN THOSE PROPERTIES WOULD
10:23:50AM PERHAPS BE UNDER THE PROPOSED BONUS STRUCTURE.
10:23:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: EXCUSE ME FOR ONE SECOND.
10:23:54AM I BELIEVE LEGAL JUST TOLD US BONUS DENSITIES WERE NOT AN
10:23:58AM ENTITLEMENT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO ENTITLE THEM IN THIS
10:24:00AM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
10:24:01AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: BUT THEY CAN ASK FOR IT RIGHT NOW.
10:24:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE'RE TAKING THAT ABILITY AWAY.
10:24:05AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: YES.
10:24:06AM BUT THE ABILITY TO COME TO THE TABLE SHOULD PROBABLY BE
10:24:09AM RETAINED.
10:24:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET'S GO BACK TO LEGAL.
10:24:12AM DO WE HAVE TO RETAIN THAT?
10:24:20AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THE ABILITY TO COME -- RIGHT,
10:24:23AM EXACTLY.
10:24:23AM THERE ARE PROPERTIES RIGHT NOW THAT HAVE THAT -- I'LL CALL
10:24:27AM IT AN ENTITLEMENT FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD.
10:24:29AM IT IS AN EXPECTATION THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO COME AND SEEK
10:24:32AM THAT APPROVAL FROM CITY COUNCIL.
10:24:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BY REMOVING THAT, IS THAT REMOVING A
10:24:38AM PROPERTY ENTITLEMENT THAT WOULD PROVIDE THEM WITH RECOURSE?
10:24:43AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I MEAN, IT'S A POSSIBILITY.
10:24:44AM IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT.
10:24:47AM BONUS PROVISION AGREEMENT --
10:24:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET'S GET THAT OFFICIAL LEGAL
10:24:52AM INTERPRETATION PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER 19 SO AT LEAST WE KNOW
10:24:53AM WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
10:24:55AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: WE CAN INCLUDE THAT.
10:24:57AM IF THERE IS A PROJECT THAT HAS AN APPROVED BPA --
10:25:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I UNDERSTAND THAT.
10:25:01AM THAT'S WHAT I SAID ABOUT THE EXISTING PROPERTY RIGHTS AND
10:25:03AM HAVING TWO CLASSIFICATIONS, FOR COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAYING
10:25:06AM ABOUT GRANDFATHERING IN, SO WE HAVE TWO CLASSIFICATIONS.
10:25:10AM ONE PEOPLE WHO HAVE EXISTING RIGHTS GRANDFATHERED IN VERSUS
10:25:13AM NEW.
10:25:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK: EVERYONE HAS EXISTING RIGHTS.
10:25:15AM THAT'S THE ISSUE.
10:25:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT IS THE LEGAL QUESTION ABOUT THE BONUS
10:25:18AM DENSITY.
10:25:19AM THAT IS A BONUS DENSITY QUESTION.
10:25:20AM IS THAT ENTITLEMENT?
10:25:21AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: THIS IS WHY WE WERE COMING TO YOU WITH A
10:25:24AM NEW STRUCTURE IS BECAUSE THE CURRENT STRUCTURE IS VERY
10:25:27AM CONFUSING.
10:25:28AM WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND THOUGHT --
10:25:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND.
10:25:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK: LET HER FINISH HER SENTENCE.
10:25:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE THE FLOOR BOTH OF YOU ALL.
10:25:44AM [ENCODER DISCONNECT]
10:26:11AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
10:26:11AM DEPARTMENT, AGAIN, FOR CLARIFICATION, IS THAT THE DIRECTION
10:26:15AM COUNCIL IS GIVING TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF OR IS
10:26:18AM THAT WHERE YOU ARE HEADED BUT SUBJECT TO THIS FURTHER REPORT
10:26:21AM IN SEPTEMBER?
10:26:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR
10:26:24AM SEPTEMBER 19 FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
10:26:25AM I HAVE A REQUEST FOR LEGAL TO GET US AN INTERPRETATION.
10:26:28AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: CORRECT.
10:26:29AM THERE WILL BE FURTHER DIRECTION THEN.
10:26:31AM THIS ISN'T THE FINAL DIRECTION.
10:26:32AM I WANTED THAT FOR CLARIFICATION.
10:26:34AM THANK YOU.
10:26:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND COUNCIL MEMBER
10:26:36AM MIRANDA.
10:26:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK: AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT I SAID BEFORE, I DISAGREE
10:26:45AM WITH DOING THIS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CITY.
10:26:47AM I THINK THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA IS WHERE WE FOCUS, SO I
10:26:50AM WON'T SUPPORT THIS MOTION BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE COASTAL
10:26:55AM HIGH HAZARD AREA IS WHERE WE'RE LOOKING.
10:26:57AM THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
10:26:58AM THE REASON THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA, YOU CAN'T TELL
10:27:01AM SOMEBODY THEY CAN GET TO 60 AND THEN TAKE AWAY THEIR ABILITY
10:27:04AM TO GET TO 60.
10:27:06AM THE PROBLEM THAT MAKES THIS HARDER IS THAT THE COASTAL HIGH
10:27:09AM HAZARD AREA IS GOING TO CONSISTENTLY CHANGE.
10:27:13AM SO THE PROBLEM IS THAT SOMEBODY WHO IS OUTSIDE OF THE
10:27:17AM COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA IN THREE YEARS WILL BE INSIDE THE
10:27:21AM COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
10:27:23AM IF WE HAVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM COASTAL -- SO THE
10:27:27AM COASTAL THEN -- WE HAVE ACTUAL FEDERAL DATA THAT WILL
10:27:32AM SUPPORT US.
10:27:34AM I'M VERY CONCERNED.
10:27:36AM AND I UNDERSTAND THE RESIDENTS' CONCERN, BECAUSE IT IS A
10:27:41AM TRUE CONCERN.
10:27:42AM I'M ALSO CURIOUS HOW MANY -- I GUESS IT IMPACTS EVERY SINGLE
10:27:49AM PROPERTY WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA, CORRECT?
10:27:52AM YEAH.
10:27:53AM SO THIS IS A HUGE ISSUE, BUT FOR ME, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT --
10:28:01AM AS MUCH AS I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PUBLIC IS TRYING TO SAY AND
10:28:05AM I ALSO BELIEVE IT CLEARLY, I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE
10:28:09AM LAWSUITS THAT ARE GOING TO COME FROM THIS BECAUSE IF WE TAKE
10:28:12AM AWAY PEOPLE'S RIGHT TO ASK, BUT THEY ARE TRYING TO CLEAN UP
10:28:21AM THE LANGUAGE SO IT BECOMES EASIER.
10:28:24AM I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW MANY PROPERTIES THIS MIGHT IMPACT, I
10:28:28AM GUESS.
10:28:28AM AND THAT'S -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY TYPE OF THOUGHT
10:28:36AM BEHIND THAT OTHER THAN -- I MEAN -- ARE 60 YEAR, WHATEVER, I
10:28:46AM DON'T KNOW.
10:28:46AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU WITH SOME SORT OF
10:28:49AM ACREAGE.
10:28:50AM IT WOULD PROBABLY BE AN ACREAGE OF PROPERTIES THAT IT MIGHT
10:28:53AM IMPACT, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'D LIKE IN SEPTEMBER.
10:28:56AM AND WE COULD HAVE -- BETWEEN THEN, I CAN MEET AGAIN WITH ALL
10:29:00AM OF YOU ALL INDIVIDUALLY DURING BRIEFINGS TO REALLY TRY AND
10:29:06AM UNDERSTAND THESE CONCERNS.
10:29:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I CAN TRY TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I THINK I GET
10:29:10AM IT.
10:29:12AM I AM CONCERNED ABOUT ADDING MORE DENSITY, BUT I'M ALSO
10:29:19AM REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE'S PROPERTY RIGHTS AND THE
10:29:24AM LEGAL.
10:29:25AM BECAUSE ESPECIALLY IN SOUTH TAMPA, I 100% SEE DEVELOPERS
10:29:29AM COMING AND TRY TO FIGHT THIS IN EVERY WAY, SHAPE AND FORM.
10:29:32AM I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
10:29:34AM WHEREAS RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE THE OPTION, AND IF THEY DON'T
10:29:36AM HAVE THE OPTION, THEN I'M NOT SURE.
10:29:39AM MR. BENSON.
10:29:42AM >>STEPHEN BENSON: I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS AND WE CAN
10:29:44AM DEFINITELY COME BACK.
10:29:45AM I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR, WHAT YOU SAW TODAY WAS A BALANCE.
10:29:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK: EXACTLY.
10:29:51AM >>STEPHEN BENSON: WE TRY TO CLAMP DOWN IN WAYS WE FEEL LIKE
10:29:54AM WE CAN CLAMP DOWN.
10:29:55AM IF THAT'S ALL WE DID, YOU WOULD GET THIS ROOM PACKED WITH
10:29:59AM THE WHOLE OTHER SIDE OF THE COMMUNITY.
10:30:01AM WE REALLY DID TRY TO ACHIEVE A BALANCE WITH THIS.
10:30:03AM THERE IS PROBABLY FLEXIBILITY IN WHAT'S COME FORWARD BUT
10:30:07AM IT'S NOT LIKE A DRAMATIC CHANGE FROM WHAT YOU SEE IN TERMS
10:30:09AM OF WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS GOING TO BE.
10:30:11AM I THINK WE CAN MAKE IT BETTER.
10:30:13AM I THINK WE CAN MAKE IT BETTER.
10:30:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
10:30:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:30:18AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:30:19AM I WANT TO THANK BOTH INDIVIDUALS TALKING SO WELL ABOUT THE
10:30:22AM FUTURE OF THE CITY AND SO FORTH AND SO ON ABOUT WHAT IF, THE
10:30:25AM NAME, SO FORTH.
10:30:27AM IS THIS IN ANY WAY GOING TO IMPEDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS
10:30:30AM WHERE WE CAN GIVE BONUSES?
10:30:32AM THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
10:30:34AM NUMBER TWO, DOES IT TAKE AWAY ANY BENEFIT BUILDING MORE
10:30:37AM SUSTAINABLE WITH THINGS LIKE SOLAR OR OTHER THINGS THAT ARE
10:30:40AM COMING ONLINE THAT WOULD MAKE THE ENVIRONMENT MUCH BETTER
10:30:43AM FOR ALL OF US?
10:30:44AM I DON'T KNOW.
10:30:45AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS GOING TO DO.
10:30:47AM DO WE HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT?
10:30:50AM >>STEPHEN BENSON: THE REASON WHY THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE
10:30:53AM HERE AND EVEN WHY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BONUS IS BECAUSE I
10:30:57AM UNDERSTAND THE INTENT OF COUNCIL.
10:30:59AM WE LOOK -- WE'VE LOOKED AT THE PAST ACTIONS.
10:31:02AM AND THE PAST ACTIONS BY COUNCIL OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS
10:31:05AM GRANTED OVER 3,000 NEW UNITS ON THE LAND USE MAP WITHOUT ANY
10:31:09AM PUBLIC BENEFIT.
10:31:10AM SO WE'RE BRINGING YOU THIS FRAMEWORK AND ALSO GIVING YOU THE
10:31:13AM TOOL TO SAY NO.
10:31:15AM IT'S THE FRAMEWORK TO ASK FOR A PUBLIC BENEFIT INSTEAD.
10:31:18AM THAT IS WHY -- THAT IS WHY WE'RE BRINGING IT.
10:31:21AM WE KNOW IT IS EASY TO SAY NO WHEN TALKING ABOUT A PROJECT
10:31:24AM BUT IT'S REALLY HARD WHEN THERE IS A PROJECT IN FRONT OF
10:31:27AM YOU.
10:31:27AM THE MORE TOOLS YOU CAN HAVE TO ASK FOR PUBLIC BENEFITS OR TO
10:31:30AM EXPECT THERE TO BE PUBLIC BENEFITS INCORPORATED, IF THEY ARE
10:31:33AM ASKING TO BUILD TO THE MAXIMUM, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO
10:31:36AM DO AND GIVE YOU THE TOOLS TO DO IT.
10:31:38AM NONE OF THIS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING RIGHT NOW IS
10:31:40AM ADMINISTRATIVE.
10:31:45AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, CHAIR.
10:31:47AM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, I THINK I WANT TO WITHDRAW MY
10:31:49AM SECOND UNTIL I FULLY UNDERSTAND THE MOTION IN PLACE BECAUSE
10:31:53AM WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND IT GOT A LITTLE BIT
10:31:55AM CONFUSING FOR ME.
10:31:57AM NO DISRESPECT.
10:31:58AM I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M SUPPORTING SOMETHING THAT I
10:32:01AM CLEARLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR BECAUSE WE HAD A
10:32:03AM LOT OF DISCUSSION AND BACK AND FORTH.
10:32:06AM CAN YOU REPEAT IT AGAIN FOR US?
10:32:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I KNOW THIS HAS GOTTEN COMPLICATED.
10:32:13AM PEELING IT ALL THE WAY BACK, MY CONCERN IS, AND IT WAS
10:32:16AM BROUGHT UP BY CARROLL ANN BENNETT DURING PUBLIC COMMENT,
10:32:19AM THAT BY MAKING THESE CITYWIDE CHANGES TO THE ZONING
10:32:26AM CLASSIFICATION, WE ARE GOING TO INCREASE DENSITY FOR FREE.
10:32:30AM SO WE'RE ACTUALLY GIVING AWAY DENSITY FOR FREE WITHOUT
10:32:35AM HAVING COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENTS OR ANY OF THE
10:32:40AM ADDITIONAL, COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA SAID, AFFORDABLE HOUSING
10:32:43AM OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE CAN ATTACH TO THIS.
10:32:47AM THAT JUST SEEMS TO BE NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE
10:32:50AM OF THE CITY OF TAMPA TO INCREASE CITYWIDE THE DENSITY OF
10:32:53AM THESE PROPERTIES WITHOUT GETTING SOME TYPE OF BENEFIT
10:32:58AM AGREEMENT FROM THEM.
10:32:59AM AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.
10:33:00AM WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS HOW WE AVOID DOING THAT.
10:33:05AM HOW TO AVOID INCREASING DENSITY WITHOUT GETTING A BENEFIT
10:33:08AM AGREEMENT.
10:33:08AM >>STEPHEN BENSON: I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WITH OR
10:33:11AM WITHOUT A MOTION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF HAS ALREADY
10:33:14AM SAID THEY ARE HAPPY TO BRING BACK FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATION
10:33:18AM AT THE I THINK SEPTEMBER DATE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
10:33:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LEGAL WILL COME BACK WITH AN ANSWER, A
10:33:25AM LEGAL ANSWER ABOUT THE BONUS DENSITIES AND IS THAT AN
10:33:29AM ENTITLEMENT THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH?
10:33:31AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: JENNIFER MALONE, PLANNING COMMISSION
10:33:33AM STAFF.
10:33:34AM MAYBE THE MOTION AS SIMPLE AS COME BACK TO US ON SEPTEMBER
10:33:37AM 21 FOR UPDATE ON THE CONTINUING WORK OF THE LAND USE --
10:33:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE 19th.
10:33:44AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: THEN WE'RE ON THE AGENDA --
10:33:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WITHDRAW MY MOTION AND I ASK THE
10:33:48AM PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF TO COME BACK ON SEPTEMBER 19 WITH
10:33:51AM AN UPDATE.
10:33:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A SECOND.
10:33:54AM COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU HAD YOUR MICROPHONE ON.
10:33:56AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:33:58AM I'LL VOTE TO FORWARD THIS ALONG.
10:33:59AM AGAIN, I SHARE SOME OF COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S CONCERNS BUT I
10:34:04AM WOULD FULLY EXPECT WE COULD TRY THIS, LEGAL DEPARTMENT WOULD
10:34:09AM SEE HOW THIS COULD BE CURTAILED, REFORMED.
10:34:12AM I'M GLAD TO FORWARD ALONG AS A COURTESY.
10:34:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK: QUICK QUESTION FOR MR. BENSON.
10:34:18AM FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, WHAT YOU JUST SAID WAS THAT YOU
10:34:23AM LOOKED AT 3,000 PLANS OR 3,000 APPROVALS, AND WE GAVE THOSE
10:34:29AM BONUSES AWAY WITH GETTING NOTHING IN RETURN.
10:34:32AM >>STEPHEN BENSON: THOSE WERE THROUGH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
10:34:35AM AMENDMENTS AND THOSE WERE UNITS.
10:34:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT WE DIDN'T GET ANYTHING.
10:34:39AM >>STEPHEN BENSON: THERE WAS NO PUBLIC BENEFIT PROVIDED AS
10:34:44AM PART OF THAT ADDITIONAL DENSITY THAT WAS GRANTED.
10:34:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AGREE.
10:34:50AM I'M TRYING TO STOP THAT.
10:34:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR THAT
10:34:54AM RIGHT NOW, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE THE
10:34:58AM BONUSES, WHEN WE PROVIDE THE BONUSES, WE AREN'T GETTING ANY.
10:35:01AM WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY PUBLIC GOOD FOR THEM.
10:35:05AM >>STEPHEN BENSON: WHEN YOU PROVIDE THE BONUSES, YOU DO.
10:35:08AM THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DOCUMENT THAT IS THROUGH THE BONUS
10:35:09AM PROVISION AGREEMENT.
10:35:10AM BUT WHEN YOU GIVE THEM A PLAN AMENDMENT TO A HIGHER
10:35:13AM CATEGORY, YOU'RE BASICALLY GIVING THE DENSITY AWAY FOR FREE.
10:35:17AM SOMETIMES THAT COMES WITH A REZONING.
10:35:18AM THERE IS A LOT GOING ON THERE AND WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE THE
10:35:21AM TOOL TO NOT --
10:35:22AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: ALL OF THE CEILINGS, THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE
10:35:25AM -- AND IT'S IN THE PACKET -- WHAT YOU CAN ASK FOR THROUGH A
10:35:29AM BONUS GOT A LOT HIGHER.
10:35:31AM THAT WAY SOMEBODY DOESN'T HAVE TO ASK FOR A PLAN AMENDMENT
10:35:33AM TO GET TO ALMOST THE NEXT CATEGORY WITH THEIR DENSITY AND
10:35:37AM INTENSITY.
10:35:38AM WE WERE ONLY ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE RIPPED IT APART AND
10:35:41AM PUT IT BACK TOGETHER.
10:35:42AM THAT'S WHAT STEPHEN IS SAYING, PERHAPS -- YOU KNOW, I CAN'T
10:35:46AM GUARANTEE ANYTHING BUT THE HOPE THROUGH THIS IS YOU MIGHT
10:35:48AM SEE LESS PLAN AMENDMENTS BECAUSE MORE FOLKS CAN GET WHAT
10:35:52AM THEY NEED WITHOUT CHANGING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP BECAUSE
10:35:55AM CHANGING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS A BIG DEAL.
10:35:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOT WHAT THEY NEED.
10:35:59AM WHAT THEY WANT.
10:36:00AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: THAT'S WHY I SAID PERHAPS AND THE HOPE IS
10:36:03AM BECAUSE THERE WILL ALWAYS BE OTHER THINGS THAT HAPPEN.
10:36:07AM >>DAVID HEY: IF YOU'LL ALLOW ME, I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW OF
10:36:10AM MY EXPERIENCE.
10:36:12AM I'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE.
10:36:13AM WE'VE BEEN IN MULTIPLE MEETINGS WHERE PEOPLE COME TO THE
10:36:18AM PLANNING COMMISSION AND WE HAVE TO HAVE A PRE-APP MEETING
10:36:21AM FOR A PLAN AMENDMENT.
10:36:22AM AND THE APPLICANTS WILL SAY -- BECAUSE THEY'LL SAY, WELL, WE
10:36:27AM JUST DON'T WANT TO PAY THE BONUS.
10:36:30AM WE WANT TO GO AROUND.
10:36:31AM AND WE SAY WELL, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD ADVISE YOU NOT TO DO
10:36:35AM THIS OR STUFF LIKE THAT.
10:36:37AM IT HAPPENS A LOT WHERE PEOPLE -- MY OPINION BEING IN THE
10:36:41AM MEETINGS, IT HAPPENS A LOT WHERE APPLICANTS COME IN JUST TO
10:36:46AM CIRCUMVENT THE BONUS.
10:36:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
10:36:49AM CLENDENIN.
10:36:50AM THE SECOND STILL STANDS FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON WITH
10:36:54AM CLARITY ON THE MOTION.
10:36:55AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:36:55AM AYE.
10:36:56AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:36:56AM ALL RIGHT.
10:36:58AM ITEM NUMBER 4, WESTSHORE OVERLAY HEIGHT LIMIT.
10:37:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION I WANT TO ASK
10:37:04AM MS. MALONE.
10:37:09AM THIS DOESN'T STOP THE PROGRESS OF DOING COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
10:37:14AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: WE WILL MAINTAIN THE CURRENT TIMELINE TO
10:37:15AM THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY.
10:37:17AM THIS ACTUALLY MIGHT BE HELPFUL BECAUSE THEN WE CAN TELL THE
10:37:19AM COMMUNITY THROUGH THIS OUTREACH WHAT WE HEARD FROM COUNCIL
10:37:25AM AND WE WILL TRY TO MAINTAIN THE TIMELINE.
10:37:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
10:37:29AM I WAS JUST CURIOUS.
10:37:30AM SO THANK YOU.
10:37:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:37:33AM ITEM NUMBER 4.
10:37:34AM >>STEPHEN BENSON: STEPHEN BENSON, CITY PLANNING DIRECTOR.
10:37:38AM THIS ITEM WAS RELATED TO A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON
10:37:41AM ABOUT INCREASING THE HEIGHT AND DENSITY IN THE WESTSHORE
10:37:44AM AREA AND KENNEDY BOULEVARD AREA.
10:37:47AM AS YOU CAN SEE FROM WHAT WAS JUST PRESENTED, WE ARE
10:37:50AM PROPOSING SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN -- THROUGH THE BONUS
10:37:53AM PROGRAM FOR WHAT YOU CAN DO.
10:37:54AM WE ARE GOING TO RESPOND TO THIS MOTION BOTH SPEAKING TO HOW
10:37:59AM THESE CHANGES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ARE GOING TO AFFECT THAT
10:38:03AM AREA AND THEN WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO RECALIBRATE THEM SO
10:38:06AM YOU DON'T KEEP GETTING PROJECTS COMING FOR HEIGHT WAIVERS
10:38:09AM AFTER WE INCREASE THE DENSITIES WITH THE COMP PLAN.
10:38:12AM WE'RE TRYING TO DO ONE STEP AT A TIME SO WE CAN PROVIDE YOU
10:38:15AM WITH THE SHORTEST PATH TO ADDRESS THE MOTION.
10:38:17AM EVAN JOHNSON IS THE CITY'S CHIEF PLANNER.
10:38:21AM HE WILL WALK THROUGH THE SLIDES AND PROVIDE THE REPORT.
10:38:27AM >> THANK YOU.
10:38:28AM EVAN JOHNSON, CHIEF PLANNER, CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
10:38:33AM DEPENDING ON WHICH COMMENTS YOU REFER TO, I'M EITHER GOING
10:38:37AM TO TELL YOU HOW WE RIP SOMETHING APART AND PUT IT BACK
10:38:40AM TOGETHER OR -- BUT, NO.
10:38:43AM WE CAN PULL THE PRESENTATION UP WHENEVER WE HAVE A CHANCE.
10:38:47AM THE PURPOSE HERE TODAY IS TO WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT IS THE
10:38:50AM NEXT STEP IN THE BONUS PROCEDURE AND IN THE PROCESS.
10:38:53AM SO WE'VE HAD THE BRIEFING ON THE COMP PLAN.
10:38:57AM CHANGES ARE GOING TO BE LOOKED AT AND DISCUSSED AND WE'LL
10:38:59AM BRING THOSE BACK TO YOU.
10:39:01AM BUT THEN ULTIMATELY IN ORDER TO IMPLEMENT THE SYSTEM, WE'LL
10:39:04AM HAVE TO MAKE CODE CHANGES.
10:39:06AM WE WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR PROCESS TO GET THERE.
10:39:09AM WE ACTUALLY IDENTIFIED THREE MOTIONS THAT WE'VE ASSOCIATED
10:39:23AM THIS PARTICULAR PRESENTATION WITH BECAUSE THERE WAS A
10:39:25AM SIMILAR DISCUSSION ABOUT KENNEDY AND WESTSHORE AND, OF
10:39:27AM COURSE, RELATED TO OUR FUTURE LAND USE 2045 UPDATE.
10:39:31AM I WANTED TO MAKE SURE AND DOCUMENT THOSE FOR THE RECORD AS
10:39:34AM WELL.
10:39:34AM WHAT IS A BONUS?
10:39:35AM WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THIS ALREADY.
10:39:37AM NOT SURPRISINGLY GIVEN THE TOPIC IT IS VERY INTERESTING AND
10:39:41AM NEW.
10:39:42AM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF NEW CHANGES TO IT.
10:39:45AM GENERALLY, IT IS THE WAY WE ARE DEFINING IT, IT IS THE
10:39:48AM GRANTING OF ADDITIONAL UNITS OR FLOOR AREA IN EXCHANGE FOR A
10:39:52AM PUBLIC BENEFIT.
10:39:53AM IT HAS TO BE ENABLED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH WE'VE
10:39:56AM TALKED ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO GO ABOUT ENABLING THAT.
10:39:59AM AND ULTIMATELY IT HAS TO BE IMPLEMENTED IN THE LAND
10:40:02AM DEVELOPMENT CODE.
10:40:03AM THOSE ARE THE STEPS WE'RE GOING THROUGH, BUT THAT IS HOW WE
10:40:07AM SEE THE BONUS SYSTEM AND HOW THE PROCESS WILL HAVE TO PLAY
10:40:09AM OUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
10:40:11AM OUR UPDATE, A COUPLE OF THINGS, ULTIMATELY ONCE THE COMP
10:40:16AM PLAN IS ADOPTED AND APPROVED, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE
10:40:21AM THE BONUS METHODOLOGY AND SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS LAID OUT IN
10:40:25AM THE CODE AS WELL AS WE'RE HOPING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME
10:40:29AM IDEAS ABOUT REGULATORY FLEXIBILITY AND INCENTIVES BECAUSE
10:40:33AM ULTIMATELY WE'RE TRYING TO FIND WAYS PARTICULARLY FOCUSED ON
10:40:37AM AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT ALSO SOME OF THE SUSTAINABILITY
10:40:41AM ELEMENTS THAT I KNOW COUNCILMAN MIRANDA HAS BROUGHT UP
10:40:44AM TODAY.
10:40:44AM WE'RE TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO OFFSET THOSE COSTS.
10:40:48AM WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO SPEND MORE MONEY ON DEVELOPMENT.
10:40:51AM WE'RE TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO OFFSET THOSE COSTS THROUGH A
10:40:55AM VARIETY OF MECHANISMS.
10:40:56AM YOU HAVE SEEN THIS TABLE BEFORE, AND IT KIND OF LAID OUT, I
10:41:02AM BELIEVE IT WAS FROM THE FEBRUARY HOUSING DISCUSSION.
10:41:04AM I KIND OF WANTED TO -- IT LAID OUT SOME OF THE GOALS WE'RE
10:41:08AM TRYING TO ACHIEVE, WHAT OUR INTENDED OUTCOMES ARE.
10:41:10AM I WON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON IT.
10:41:12AM IT IS IN YOUR PACKET.
10:41:13AM WE DID HIGHLIGHT ONE THERE, THE SECOND ROW.
10:41:17AM CURRENTLY, WE REQUIRE A MINIMUM OF 10% SET ASIDE FOR
10:41:21AM AFFORDABLE UNITS.
10:41:21AM WE HAD DISCUSSED THE IDEA OF RAISING THAT AS PART OF OUR
10:41:24AM UPDATES TO THE BONUS SYSTEM.
10:41:27AM TRUTHFULLY, FOR REASONS THAT I'LL BE DISCUSSING A LITTLE BIT
10:41:29AM MORE, THAT MAY BE ONE THAT WE END UP KIND OF SITTING ON AND
10:41:33AM LEAVING AS-IS.
10:41:34AM AGAIN, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO TARGET A MARKET REASONABLE, IF
10:41:38AM YOU WILL OR MARKET FEASIBLE APPROACH TO ASKING FOR BONUS
10:41:41AM DENSITY.
10:41:41AM I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.
10:41:43AM BUT I WANTED TO POINT THIS OUT AGAIN BECAUSE OUR METHODS AND
10:41:47AM OUR FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS ARE GOING TO BE EVOLVING AS WE
10:41:50AM CONTINUE TO DO OUR ANALYSIS.
10:41:51AM THIS WAS JUST ONE OF THOSE CHANGES ALONG THE WAY THAT WE
10:41:56AM NOTICED THAT MIGHT NEED TO STAY THE SAME AS IT IS NOW.
10:41:59AM -- EXCEPT TO SAY THIS IS REALLY FOCUSED ON -- [AUDIO
10:42:08AM DROPPING OUT] --
10:42:17AM -- TIMES WHERE WE HAVE EXISTING TRANSIT OR EXISTING
10:42:20AM EMPLOYMENT, ET CETERA.
10:42:21AM SO THIS ALIGNS VERY MUCH WITH THE 2045 COMP PLAN GROWTH
10:42:25AM STRATEGY.
10:42:25AM NOW, THESE, AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED, MAY, IN FACT, CHANGE SOME,
10:42:31AM DEPENDING ON WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN SEPTEMBER WHEN WE COME
10:42:35AM BACK.
10:42:35AM PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF COMES BACK.
10:42:36AM I ONLY PULLED UP THESE -- TRANSIT CORRIDORS.
10:42:53AM SO RM -- [AUDIO BREAKING UP] -- DENSITY CEILING OF HUNDRED
10:43:03AM DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE OR 3.5 FLOOR AREA RATIO.
10:43:06AM WITH THE NEW BONUS CEILINGS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BEING ABLE
10:43:11AM TO GO UP TO 150 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE OR INCREASING THAT
10:43:15AM F.A.R. UP TO 25%.
10:43:17AM NOW, YOU HAVE TO -- PUBLIC BENEFIT -- [AUDIO DROP] --
10:43:28AM POTENTIAL IS GOING TO BE GOING SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER WITH
10:43:32AM THIS NEW FRAMEWORK.
10:43:34AM AND THE WAY YOU GET TO THOSE BONUS CEILINGS IS BY BEING ABLE
10:43:42AM TO STACK DIFFERENT BONUSES THAT WE HAVE -- THAT WE'RE
10:43:47AM PROPOSING AS PART OF THIS UPDATE.
10:43:48AM AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE CITYWIDE BONUS, YOU WOULD BE ALLOWED
10:43:53AM TO GET UP TO YOUR MAX BONUS AMOUNT OF 100%, BUT THAT IS ONLY
10:43:58AM IF YOU MEET SPECIFIC CRITERIA RELATED TO THE AMOUNT YOU SET
10:44:02AM ASIDE AND THE SPECIFIC AMI LEVELS, INCOME LEVELS THAT YOU
10:44:07AM ARE PROVIDING UNITS FOR.
10:44:09AM SO THAT WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING WITH A CONSULTANT.
10:44:12AM WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO YOU ALL LATER WITH A DETAILED
10:44:16AM SLIDING SCALE THAT KIND OF SHOWS YOU HOW THOSE BONUSES CAN
10:44:20AM BE ACHIEVED ALL THE WAY UP TO THAT MAXIMUM.
10:44:23AM IT'S NOT GIVE US 10% AT 120 AND THEN GIVE YOU THE ENTIRE
10:44:28AM 100%.
10:44:29AM IT'S VERY MUCH BROKEN DOWN.
10:44:31AM TRANSIT READY CORRIDORS, 50% CEILING.
10:44:33AM AGAIN, DESIGN CRITERIA AS WELL AS SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS AS
10:44:37AM FAR AS AMI LEVELS FOR THE SET-ASIDES.
10:44:40AM TRANSIT SUPPORTIVE WOULD BE STREETCAR OR MAJOR FIXED
10:44:43AM GUIDEWAY SO THAT CAN GET YOU UP TO THE 100%.
10:44:46AM EFFICIENT RESILIENT BUILDINGS, WHICH SPEAKS TO THAT
10:44:49AM SUSTAINABLE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS ALTERNATIVE POWER
10:44:53AM GENERATION CAN GET YOU UP TO THAT 25%.
10:44:57AM CBD PERIPHERY ESSENTIALLY REMAINS THE SAME AS FAR AS BONUS
10:45:01AM POTENTIAL.
10:45:01AM BUT THESE CAN BE STACKED.
10:45:03AM IF YOU THINK BACK TO THE CEILING TABLE, THESE CAN BE STACKED
10:45:06AM FOR SOMEBODY TO ACHIEVE UP TO THAT MAX ULTIMATE THAT'S
10:45:09AM IDENTIFIED IN THE TABLE BY EACH LAND USE CATEGORY.
10:45:11AM SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO ONLY DO ONE.
10:45:15AM YOU CAN MIX AND MATCH DEPENDING ON YOUR BUILDING DESIGN AND
10:45:18AM YOUR PROPOSAL.
10:45:19AM I WON'T GO INTO DETAIL, BUT THIS EFFICIENT AND RESILIENT
10:45:22AM BUILDING, ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS GIVEN UP TO 25%
10:45:26AM OF AN INCREASE IN DENSITY AND INTENSITY IN EXCHANGE FOR LEED
10:45:31AM BUILDING ELEMENTS WHICH ARE ANYTHING FROM EV CHARGING TO
10:45:34AM BUILDING DESIGN CONSTRUCTION AND EFFICIENCY AND INCLUDES
10:45:38AM ALTERNATIVE POWER GENERATION OPTIONS AS WELL.
10:45:42AM BUT THIS IS -- WHAT I REALLY WANT TO SPEND THE REST OF THE
10:45:47AM TIME IS TALKING ABOUT OUR PROCESS MOVING FORWARD,
10:45:50AM SPECIFICALLY AS IT RELATES TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
10:45:52AM WHICH IT HAS BECOME MORE AND MORE CLEAR THE LEVEL OF EXPENSE
10:45:57AM AND COST THAT IT TAKES TO PROVIDE UNITS OVER A PERIOD OF
10:46:00AM TIME AT A LOWER RENTAL RATE TO SERVE LOWER AMI.
10:46:04AM WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE COME BACK TO YOU ALL
10:46:07AM WITH SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE SLIDING SCALE FOR
10:46:10AM AFFORDABLE HOUSING SET-ASIDES, THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY TRIED TO
10:46:15AM WITHIN REASON LOOK AT DEVELOPMENT COST AND ACTUAL POTENTIAL
10:46:19AM RETURN THAT A DEVELOPER WOULD BE LOOKING AT IF THEY UTILIZED
10:46:22AM THE BONUS SYSTEM.
10:46:23AM SO WE ARE IN THE PROCESS AND THIS IS A SNAPSHOT OF MANY,
10:46:29AM MANY SHEETS.
10:46:30AM BUT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING WITH A CONSULTANT TO
10:46:33AM BUILD A CALCULATOR, ESSENTIALLY A BONUS CALCULATOR.
10:46:37AM CURRENTLY WE IDENTIFIED DIFFERENT CONSTRUCTION TYPES,
10:46:40AM DIFFERENT PROPERTY VALUE LEVELS, COST OF PROPERTY BASED ON
10:46:44AM EXISTING CONDITIONS AND SALES OVER THE LAST I WANT TO SAY
10:46:47AM LIKE FIVE YEARS WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:46:49AM WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT AMI LEVELS AS WELL AND KIND
10:46:53AM OF BUILDING ALL OF THOSE INTO THE MODEL AND ULTIMATELY OUR
10:46:57AM NEXT STEP WHEN WE'RE COMING BACK, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A RATE
10:47:01AM OF RETURN CALCULATOR BUILT IN.
10:47:03AM SO YOU COULD ACTUALLY GET A SENSE OF IF I'M PROPOSING
10:47:06AM DEVELOPMENT A WITH NO BONUS, THIS IS A REASONABLE ESTIMATE
10:47:10AM OF A RATE OF RETURN.
10:47:12AM IF I'M FOLLOWING YOUR BONUS CALCULATIONS AND TRYING TO
10:47:16AM OFFSET THE COST, THIS IS WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
10:47:19AM THE OTHER THING THAT ULTIMATELY IT WILL ALSO IDENTIFY IS
10:47:22AM GIVE A SENSE, AGAIN, THINK MORE OF AN ESTIMATE OF A
10:47:26AM FINANCIAL GAP.
10:47:27AM SO IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO DO, AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET MORE
10:47:31AM UNITS WITHIN A GIVEN AMI OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, IT
10:47:34AM WILL SAY IN ORDER TO DO THAT, NOT ONLY GIVE BONUS OR PERHAPS
10:47:39AM CONSIDER GIVING SOME FUNDING TO HELP OFFSET THAT COST.
10:47:42AM SO THIS CALCULATOR REALLY HAS BEEN ENLIGHTENING TO THE POINT
10:47:46AM AND WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE CONSULTANT TO TWEAK IT, BUT
10:47:49AM IT REALLY HELPS US UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENT DECISIONS THAT
10:47:53AM NEED TO BE MADE ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE WHEN THEY ARE TRYING
10:47:55AM TO SAY, WELL, CAN WE AFFORD TO PROVIDE THESE UNITS AT THESE
10:47:59AM RENTS OVER THE COURSE OF 15 YEARS?
10:48:01AM A COUPLE OF THINGS JUST TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING
10:48:06AM AT FROM UNIT DEVELOPMENT TYPE.
10:48:09AM WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON WHERE THOSE FOUR LAND USE CATEGORIES
10:48:12AM I SHOWED YOU EARLIER, WHERE MOST OF THOSE ARE IN THE CITY
10:48:16AM ARE GOING TO BE ONE OF THESE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT TYPES.
10:48:19AM WE HAVE WHAT IS CALLED GARDEN APARTMENT.
10:48:21AM THERE IS A LOT OF THIS -- THIS IS FROM SEMINOLE HEIGHTS
10:48:24AM AREA.
10:48:25AM WOOD CONSTRUCTION, THREE, FOUR STORIES, SURFACE PARKING,
10:48:28AM LOTS IN THE UNIVERSITY AREA AS WELL.
10:48:30AM CONSTRUCTION COSTS, THIS IS WITHOUT INCLUSION OF LAND COSTS,
10:48:35AM GENERALLY WE'VE BEEN USING THE LATEST AVAILABLE ESTIMATES
10:48:39AM FROM REPUTABLE NATIONWIDE DATABASES TO PULL THESE COST
10:48:44AM ESTIMATES BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE LOOKING IN THOSE
10:48:46AM MODELS.
10:48:46AM WRAP CONSTRUCTION, WESTSHORE HAS A TON OF THESE.
10:48:52AM CHANNEL DISTRICT HAS SEVERAL.
10:48:53AM THIS IS AN EXAMPLE THERE.
10:48:55AM GOT A GARAGE BUT THE GARAGE IS NOT PART OF THE MAIN
10:48:58AM STRUCTURE.
10:49:01AM IT'S USUALLY WRAPPED AROUND THE GARAGE OR THE GARAGE IS OFF
10:49:01AM TO THE SIDE.
10:49:01AM SO YOU'RE NOT SITTING ON TOP OF A GARAGE.
10:49:04AM THAT AFFECTS COST OF CONSTRUCTION.
10:49:06AM AGAIN, WE BUILT THIS INTO THE MODEL AS WELL.
10:49:09AM FINALLY WOULD BE YOUR TYPICAL DOWNTOWN, ANYWHERE FROM 10 TO
10:49:12AM 30 PLUS, BUILDING SITTING ON TOP OF A GARAGE GREATLY
10:49:16AM INCREASES CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
10:49:18AM SO WE BUILT THAT IN AS WELL.
10:49:20AM WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT AREAS LIKE CHANNEL DISTRICT OR PARTS OF
10:49:23AM SOUTHERN TAMPA HEIGHTS, LIKE WITH THE YMCA DEVELOPMENT,
10:49:27AM THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT IS THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THEY'LL BE
10:49:29AM LOOKING AT DOING.
10:49:30AM THE OTHER THING WE WANT TO BE LOOKING AT FROM OUR CODE, FROM
10:49:32AM THE CODE PERSPECTIVE IS REALLY WHAT ARE THE REGULATORY
10:49:35AM INCENTIVES THAT WE ALSO CAN CONSIDER.
10:49:38AM ARE THERE PARKING REDUCTIONS FOR AFFORDABLE UNITS THAT WE
10:49:44AM BAKED INTO THIS BONUS CODE.
10:49:49AM COULD BE DEVELOPMENT FLEXIBILITY.
10:49:50AM IF I LOWER THE GREENSPACE REQUIREMENT, GIVING YOU MORE LAND
10:49:54AM TO DEVELOP ON, THEREFORE IT IS EASIER FOR YOU TO ACCOMPLISH
10:49:57AM THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT YOU WANT TO ACCOMPLISH.
10:50:00AM ALL OF THOSE THINGS AGAIN ARE ABOUT REDUCING DEVELOPMENT
10:50:03AM COST WITH THE LIMITED TOOLS THAT WE HAVE.
10:50:05AM TAKE AWAY NEXT STEPS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF WHERE WE ARE
10:50:12AM RIGHT NOW, AS WE HAVE SAID, AND I WILL CONTINUE TO SAY, IN
10:50:17AM ORDER TO MAKE WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO TARGET A MARKET
10:50:22AM REASONABLE OR MARKET FEASIBLE APPROACH, SIGNIFICANT BONUSES
10:50:25AM ARE GOING TO BE NEEDED TO BE GRANTED TO OFFSET THE COSTS,
10:50:28AM PARTICULARLY FOR HOUSING.
10:50:29AM SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAMMER THIS HOME
10:50:35AM BECAUSE IT IS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPLEMENTING SOMETHING AT
10:50:37AM A MUCH LARGER PORTION OF THE CITY.
10:50:39AM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT USING THIS TOOL TO ADDRESS WHAT WE KNOW
10:50:41AM IS A MAJOR HOUSING CHALLENGE, HOUSING AFFORDABILITY
10:50:46AM CHALLENGE, BUT IT IS GOING TO REQUIRE IN CERTAIN AREAS, IT'S
10:50:51AM GOING TO REQUIRE THE POSSIBILITY OF SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN
10:50:53AM DENSITY IN THOSE TARGETED AREAS.
10:50:55AM THE NEXT COUPLE JUST SPEAKS TO THE DYNAMICS OF THE MARKET
10:51:00AM RIGHT NOW.
10:51:01AM WE KNOW THERE ARE CHANGES HAPPENING.
10:51:03AM THE REASON I BRING THESE UP IS BECAUSE THE DATA IS ONLY AS
10:51:06AM GOOD AS THE DAY YOU PULLED IT.
10:51:09AM THESE ARE ALWAYS SNAPSHOTS.
10:51:10AM OUR CALCULATOR IS NOT MEANT TO GIVE AN ABSOLUTE YES OR NO,
10:51:15AM BUT WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD SOMETHING AS UP TO DATE AS
10:51:18AM POSSIBLE.
10:51:19AM AND ALSO TO SPEAK TO THE IDEA THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND WE
10:51:24AM ADOPT SOMETHING, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO
10:51:26AM CONTINUE TO REVISIT BECAUSE DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS WILL
10:51:29AM CONTINUE TO CHANGE.
10:51:30AM I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO GIVE THAT ONGOING TRACKING
10:51:34AM OF THE DATA AND DEVELOPMENT COSTS AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN TWO,
10:51:38AM THREE, FOUR, FIVE YEARS.
10:51:39AM AND THE OTHER DISCUSSION MOVING FORWARD OUT OF THIS IS WHAT
10:51:43AM ARE THE NEXT STEPS AS IT RELATES TO CODE CHANGES?
10:51:45AM MAX HEIGHT HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BOTH FROM
10:51:48AM THE WESTSHORE PERSPECTIVE AND KENNEDY.
10:51:51AM WESTSHORE HAS A DIFFERENT ISSUE OR CHALLENGE BECAUSE THEY
10:51:54AM HAVE A MUCH LOWER FAA CEILING RIGHT NOW FOR HEIGHT
10:52:00AM REZONINGS.
10:52:01AM THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CURRENTLY DO NOT LIMIT HEIGHT IN
10:52:03AM THE CODE ITSELF.
10:52:04AM THAT'S LIMITED BY THESE CEILINGS THAT THEN EVERYBODY WHO
10:52:07AM BUILDS SOMETHING ABOVE ANYWHERE FROM 60 TO 100 FEET HAS TO
10:52:12AM GO THROUGH A VERY DETAILED PROCESS.
10:52:13AM HOWEVER ON KENNEDY, THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT WITH
10:52:16AM THE CODE UPDATE AND CODE REFORM WITH OUR CORRIDOR DESIGN
10:52:19AM STANDARDS.
10:52:20AM OUR RECOMMENDATION, WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR ANY ADDITIONAL
10:52:25AM COMMENTS, FEEDBACK, QUESTIONS.
10:52:26AM I KNOW YOU'VE HIT ON A LOT OF THEM ALREADY.
10:52:30AM WOULD LIKE TO GET YOUR CONCURRENCE FOR US TO CONTINUE TO
10:52:33AM MOVE FORWARD.
10:52:33AM WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING THE BONUS CODE CHANGES BACK TO YOU AS
10:52:39AM PART OF THE JULY CYCLE, WHICH MEANS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT
10:52:43AM EARLY 2025 -- [AUDIO DROP] -- ONE AFTER ANOTHER.
10:52:49AM I THINK THAT'S -- SHOWS THE LEVEL OF IMPORTANCE TO THIS
10:52:54AM PIECE, THIS ELEMENT OF THE PLAN UPDATE, BUT THEY ARE GOING
10:52:57AM TO BE VERY CLOSE.
10:52:57AM WE WANT YOUR CONCURRENCY THAT WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
10:53:00AM THEN ALSO CONCURRENCY THAT WE CONTINUE TO PURSUE AND LOOK TO
10:53:04AM PURSUE REGULATORY INCENTIVES AND TO SUPPORT AFFORDABLE
10:53:08AM UNITS.
10:53:09AM WITH THAT, THAT'S IT.
10:53:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CLENDENIN AND THEN CARLSON.
10:53:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT'S BEEN
10:53:18AM DONE JUST LIKE THE COMP PLAN.
10:53:20AM I'M A BIG FAN.
10:53:22AM YOU GUYS HAVE DONE EXTRAORDINARY WORK.
10:53:24AM BUT I DO HAVE CONCERN AND I LIKE THE BONUS.
10:53:26AM I LIKE THE STACKING.
10:53:28AM I LIKE EVERYTHING ABOUT IT EXCEPT I THINK -- UPON THE LEGAL
10:53:32AM OPINION THAT COMES BEFORE US OF WHETHER GRANTING ADDITIONAL
10:53:36AM -- ARE WE GRANTING ADDITIONAL RIGHTS?
10:53:40AM IF THAT OPINION COMES BACK FROM LEGAL THAT BY GRANTING
10:53:43AM ADDITIONAL BONUS DENSITIES WE'RE GRANTING ADDITIONAL
10:53:46AM PROPERTY RIGHTS THAT WE CAN NEVER TAKE AWAY, THAT'S GOING TO
10:53:51AM BE A CONCERN TO ME.
10:53:52AM I APPLAUD THAT IN YOUR PRESENTATION YOU RECOGNIZE THE
10:53:56AM CHANGING MARKET BECAUSE I THINK PART OF GOVERNMENT'S PROBLEM
10:53:59AM IS WE'RE ALWAYS THREE STEPS BEHIND THE MARKET.
10:54:01AM IT'S GOOD TO SEE THAT.
10:54:03AM I SAW YOU HAD REFLECTED THAT THE RENTAL MARKET IS SOFTEN
10:54:09AM APPROXIMATING OBVIOUSLY THE WORK DONE AS FAR AS CONSTRUCTION
10:54:11AM AND BUILDING HOUSING IS CATCHING UP WITH THE NEED IN THE
10:54:13AM CITY OF TAMPA.
10:54:13AM THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
10:54:17AM GLAD YOU HAD THAT IN THERE.
10:54:18AM THANK YOU.
10:54:19AM I WANTED TO MAKE THAT PUBLIC STATEMENT THAT DEPENDING ON
10:54:22AM LEGAL'S INTERPRETATION OF WHETHER BONUS DENSITIES ARE AN
10:54:25AM ENTITLEMENT THAT CAN'T BE TAKEN AWAY I THINK IS WHERE I'LL
10:54:28AM STAND ON THIS AS IT GETS PUT FORWARD.
10:54:30AM ONE OTHER LAST NOTE, I KNOW THIS WAS COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S
10:54:34AM ISSUE.
10:54:34AM I SUPPORTED IT WHEN HE MADE IT.
10:54:36AM I AGREE WITH THE HEIGHT ISSUE.
10:54:40AM AS FORMER AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL I'M FULLY AWARE OF THE FAA
10:54:43AM RESTRICTIONS ALONG KENNEDY BOULEVARD AND ANYWHERE WE CAN FOR
10:54:46AM THE HEIGHT AND INCREASING THAT, I THINK IT'S A GOOD PLAN.
10:54:50AM GOOD PLAN FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:54:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
10:54:55AM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU ALSO FOR ALL THE HARD WORK AND
10:54:58AM STEPHEN HAS ALSO WORKED A LOT, A LOT OF TIME ON THIS I KNOW,
10:55:02AM WITH ME AND OTHERS.
10:55:03AM AS I SAID BEFORE, IN AN AREA WHERE WE DON'T OBJECT TO
10:55:10AM GROWTH, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE BONUS DENSITY.
10:55:13AM I THINK IT IS A SPEED BUMP.
10:55:16AM DEVELOPERS COMPLAIN TO ME ALL THE TIME.
10:55:18AM THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT I GET IS THE MARKET IS STILL KIND OF
10:55:21AM FALTERING.
10:55:24AM THE FACT THAT THERE ARE CELEBRATIONS EVERY DAY THAT THE
10:55:26AM DEVELOPERS ARE GETTING FINANCING IS A CELEBRATION BUT ALSO A
10:55:31AM CONCERN BECAUSE SIX MONTHS OR SO AGO, WE WEREN'T TALKING
10:55:34AM ABOUT THAT BECAUSE EVERYBODY WAS GETTING APPROVAL.
10:55:36AM WE NEED TO MOVE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE IN THE AREAS.
10:55:40AM IF WE'RE GOING TO RESTRICT AREAS LIKE SOUTH OF GANDY THAT
10:55:44AM ARE FLOODED AND OVERBUILT WHERE THEY HAVE HAD 10 OR 20
10:55:48AM THOUSAND NEW UNITS IN THE LAST TEN YEARS, MORE THAN ANY
10:55:51AM OTHER AREA, WE'VE GOT TO ACCELERATE GROWTH IN THE AREAS
10:55:55AM WHERE PEOPLE DON'T OBJECT.
10:55:56AM IN THE WESTSHORE AREA, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME THERE THE LAST
10:56:01AM FEW WEEKS.
10:56:04AM IT'S UNEVEN THE WAY IT WAS DEVELOPED.
10:56:09AM IT'S UNEVEN THE WAY IT WAS DEVELOPED.
10:56:11AM I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE AS IT'S REDEVELOPED IT NEEDS TO BE
10:56:15AM DEVELOPED IN AN EVEN WAY.
10:56:17AM I WISH WE COULD JUST BY RIGHT GIVE FOLKS THE RIGHT TO GO UP.
10:56:21AM I WISH WE COULD CREATE A CBD THERE SO STAFF COULD ACCELERATE
10:56:25AM THE GROWTH.
10:56:26AM I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT KENNEDY BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE
10:56:28AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT KENNEDY AS WE BROUGHT THAT UP.
10:56:31AM AND THERE ARE ALSO NEIGHBORHOODS, ONE OF WHICH OUR COLLEAGUE
10:56:34AM GREW UP IN THAT'S ON THE EASTERN PART OF WESTSHORE.
10:56:39AM BEING SENSITIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS, WE NEED TO FIGURE --
10:56:44AM THE THING STEVE AND I LOOKED AT AND ALSO TALKED TO
10:56:47AM DEVELOPERS ABOUT IS THE FAA REQUIREMENT.
10:56:49AM AND ONE OF THE CONCERNS, AND I THINK THE DEVELOPERS DON'T
10:56:52AM ALWAYS UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE, THE STATE LAW I THINK IT
10:56:55AM WAS 1987 SET UP THAT THE AVIATION AUTHORITIES COULD SET UP A
10:57:02AM PRIVATE BOARD WITH PUBLIC OVERSIGHT THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO
10:57:07AM PROVIDE EXCEPTIONS TO THE FAA HEIGHT REQUIREMENT.
10:57:11AM ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO, THE AVIATION AUTHORITY HERE DECIDED
10:57:14AM THAT THEY WOULD MEET AS THEMSELVES AND THEY WOULD PROVIDE
10:57:18AM THAT.
10:57:18AM AND THEN ULTIMATELY GOES UP TO FAA NATIONAL.
10:57:22AM BUT THAT APPROVAL WE GET COMPLAINTS, TAKES A LONG TIME AND
10:57:26AM IT IS DIFFICULT.
10:57:27AM SO WE SEE LIKE MIDTOWN HAS STRUGGLED AND SPENT A LOT OF
10:57:31AM MONEY TRYING TO DEVELOP UP TO THE FAA LIMIT.
10:57:35AM ALSO, YOU CAN PIERCE PAST THE FAA LIMIT IF YOU GET THAT
10:57:40AM APPROVAL.
10:57:41AM SOMEHOW WORK WITH THE AVIATION AUTHORITY AND THAT BOARD TO
10:57:43AM TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO THERE.
10:57:45AM AND THERE WILL BE UNEVENNESS DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE IN
10:57:48AM RELATION TO ALL THE DIFFERENT AIRPORTS THAT WE HAVE.
10:57:51AM WE HAVE ST. PETE CLEARWATER, THERE'S SOME FLYING OVER THERE.
10:57:54AM TAMPA AIRPORT, MacDILL AND PETER O. KNIGHT.
10:57:57AM BUT I THINK WE OUGHT TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO ALLOW
10:58:01AM CONSISTENT, EVEN, RAPID GROWTH IN THE AREAS THAT WE DON'T
10:58:04AM OBJECT TO IT.
10:58:06AM THANK YOU.
10:58:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK AND THEN COUNCIL
10:58:07AM MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:58:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU GO TO YOUR LAST SLIDE?
10:58:12AM I JUST APPRECIATE THIS.
10:58:18AM I THINK IT WAS A WONDERFUL PRESENTATION, AND I PARTICULARLY
10:58:23AM LIKE THE WAY YOU'RE HIGHLIGHTING THE DIFFICULTY OF BUILDING
10:58:28AM AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND THAT THIS IS -- THAT IT'S VERY
10:58:33AM EXPENSIVE.
10:58:34AM AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE HEARING.
10:58:35AM THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
10:58:36AM WE HAD AN AHAC MEETING YESTERDAY, AND THIS IS ONE OF OUR
10:58:40AM MAIN CONCERNS IS HOW DO WE HELP PROMOTE THIS GROWTH.
10:58:45AM I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE DETAIL THAT'S GOING.
10:58:47AM I'M HAPPY AT THE END OF THIS TO MOVE THOSE MOTIONS FORWARD.
10:58:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:58:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SORRY.
10:58:55AM MR. BENSON, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO SAY?
10:58:57AM >>STEPHEN BENSON: I CAN RESPOND AT THE END, IF YOU LIKE.
10:59:00AM IT'S UP TO YOU.
10:59:01AM I JUST HAVE COMMENTS RESPONDING TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:59:06AM >> HE WENT OUT.
10:59:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
10:59:07AM LET'S GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA AND WE'LL COME BACK.
10:59:09AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THIS AREA IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE CHANGED
10:59:14AM WHAT IT IS NOW BECAUSE SOCIETY HAS CHANGED.
10:59:18AM ORDER MORE IN ONE DAY ON THE INTERNET THAN 364 DAYS, BECAUSE
10:59:22AM OTHER DAYS YOU SPEND MORE ON THE INTERNET IT'S EASIER.
10:59:25AM WE GET LAZY AND DON'T GO OUT AND WALK AND DO THINGS WE
10:59:30AM NORMALLY DO.
10:59:31AM I CAN ONLY USE MIDTOWN AS AN EXAMPLE.
10:59:34AM I THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC BACK UP.
10:59:36AM I THOUGHT THEY NEEDED ANOTHER LIGHT.
10:59:38AM THEY GOT THE OTHER LIGHT.
10:59:39AM WHY?
10:59:39AM TECO IS BUILDING, THEY ARE MOVING TO MIDTOWN.
10:59:42AM IT'S A VERY UNIQUE PLACE, VERY BEAUTIFUL.
10:59:45AM IF YOU LIVE THERE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO ANYWHERE.
10:59:48AM BUT YOU ARE 5, 10 MINUTES AWAY FROM WHATEVER YOU WANT.
10:59:53AM THIS AREA, THAT WESTSHORE AREA, WHERE THE MALL IS AT, IS
10:59:58AM EVEN CLOSER TO DOING MORE THINGS THAN ANY OTHER IN THE CITY
11:00:01AM OF TAMPA.
11:00:02AM YOU CAN BE IN ST. PETE, CLEARWATER 15 MINUTES.
11:00:05AM UNLESS THERE IS SOMETHING BACKED UP IN ONE OF THE TRAFFIC
11:00:08AM CORRIDORS.
11:00:08AM ANY PARTS OF THE CITY OTHER THAN THAT, YOU TAKE 30 MINUTES.
11:00:11AM LIVE IN NEW TAMPA, MIGHT TAKE 45 MINUTES TO GET THERE.
11:00:15AM IT'S CENTRALLY LOCATED FOR SO MANY THINGS.
11:00:20AM WHEN YOU'RE LANDING, THE FIRST THING YOU SEE IS WHAT?
11:00:22AM THE WESTSHORE MALL, UNLESS THE WIND IS BLOWING FROM THE
11:00:26AM OTHER DIRECTION, THEN YOU SEE HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE.
11:00:28AM SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE VERY UNIQUE TO THIS
11:00:31AM LOCATION.
11:00:34AM IT LASTED MANY, MANY YEARS AS A GREAT MALL.
11:00:37AM DID MOST OF MY SHOPPING THERE A LONG TIME AGO.
11:00:39AM NOW THE ONLY THING I LIKE TO GO THERE AND GET A CUBAN
11:00:42AM SANDWICH.
11:00:43AM AND THAT'S BEING A HIT.
11:00:45AM BUT THE MALL IS STILL THERE, STILL ACTIVE AND STILL DOING
11:00:49AM RATHER WELL.
11:00:49AM THE RESTAURANTS ARE DOING FANTASTIC.
11:00:52AM MAGGIANO'S CATERING AND YOU GO THERE ON A WEEKDAY, YOU HAVE
11:00:55AM TO WAIT 45 MINUTES TO GET A SEAT.
11:00:58AM BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.
11:01:00AM IF YOU DON'T CHANGE IN TODAY'S SOCIETY, YOU WON'T BE AROUND
11:01:05AM LONG.
11:01:06AM BUT I'M WILLING TO LISTEN AND MAKE SURE THAT THE
11:01:10AM NEIGHBORHOODS ARE PROTECTED AT THE SAME TIME THAT THE
11:01:13AM DEVELOPMENT GETS WHAT IT NEEDS TO SURVIVE.
11:01:18AM BECAUSE THIS WHOLE AREA, YES, IT MAY BE SOFTENING.
11:01:21AM WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
11:01:21AM DOES THAT MEAN YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT THREE YEARS TO GET A
11:01:24AM PLACE?
11:01:24AM ONLY THREE MONTHS?
11:01:26AM I DON'T KNOW.
11:01:26AM WHEN YOU SEE IT COSTS THE PUBLIC BENEFIT, DEPENDS WHAT THE
11:01:31AM PUBLIC BENEFITS ARE.
11:01:32AM ONLY HAVE $10 AND ASKING FOR NINE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO
11:01:35AM THAT, BUT MAYBE ASKING FOR ONE, YOU MAY DO THAT.
11:01:38AM THESE ARE THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT AS ELECTED
11:01:40AM OFFICIALS AND THOSE THAT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT ON AN
11:01:42AM ONGOING BASIS EVERY SINGLE DAY.
11:01:44AM I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT THEY WANT TO DO THE BEST THEY CAN DO,
11:01:49AM MAKE THAT A GLORIOUS PART OF THE CITY LIKE IT IS AND STILL
11:01:52AM WOULD BE BETTER FOR SOCIETY.
11:01:54AM THAT'S ALL I'M LOOKING FOR.
11:01:55AM AND MAKE SURE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS, ESPECIALLY TO THE
11:01:58AM SOUTH, ARE PROTECTED.
11:02:02AM >>STEPHEN BENSON: ONE OF THE SLIDES I THINK WILL HELP SORT
11:02:05AM OF MAYBE GIVE SOME FINAL CLARITY TO THIS, IF WE COULD BRING
11:02:09AM THE PRESENTATION BACK UP.
11:02:10AM THE REASON WHY WE BROUGHT ALL OF THIS TO YOU FOR WESTSHORE
11:02:13AM IS BECAUSE THAT RMU CATEGORY, THAT'S BASICALLY THE WESTSHORE
11:02:17AM BUSINESS DISTRICT.
11:02:17AM IT'S ALL RMU.
11:02:19AM THERE'S NO BONUSING THERE NOW.
11:02:22AM AT THE CURRENT ENTITLEMENT YOU CAN GO 10, 12 STORIES MAYBE
11:02:25AM UNTIL YOU START HITTING FAA.
11:02:27AM THAT'S WHEN YOU START HITTING FAA.
11:02:30AM IF YOU AGREE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE COMP PLAN CHANGES,
11:02:32AM SOME OF THE AREAS WILL BE ALLOWED TO BONUS.
11:02:34AM THE HEIGHTS THAT YOU'LL START SEEING, THE HEIGHTS THAT WE'LL
11:02:37AM NEED TO CALIBRATE TO WILL INCREASE.
11:02:38AM AND THAT'S WHY THE COMP PLAN DISCUSSION NEEDS TO HAPPEN
11:02:41AM FIRST BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'LL END UP DOING THIS TWICE.
11:02:44AM WE'RE HOPING THAT THE CHANGES IN HEIGHT CAN COME AFTER
11:02:49AM EVERYBODY KIND OF SETTLES ON WHERE YOU WANT THE MAXIMUM
11:02:51AM BONUSING TO GO, ESPECIALLY FOR RMU, BECAUSE, AGAIN, THERE'S
11:02:55AM NOTHING ABOVE THE CEILING NOW IN RMU.
11:02:58AM YOU CAN'T BONUS.
11:02:58AM IT IS THE LAST CATEGORY.
11:03:00AM NOTHING HIGHER THAN RMU.
11:03:02AM THAT'S IT.
11:03:02AM THE BONUS THAT GETS THEM THE ADDITIONAL ENTITLEMENT THAT THE
11:03:04AM PRIVATE SECTOR AND A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE THERE
11:03:06AM ED IN SEEING MORE DENSITY, THAT'S WHAT WILL GENERATE THAT.
11:03:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:03:10AM ANYTHING ELSE?
11:03:11AM IF NOT, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:03:14AM ALL RIGHT.
11:03:14AM IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 4, PLEASE COME UP.
11:03:22AM STATE YOUR NAME.
11:03:23AM GO AHEAD.
11:03:25AM >> CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
11:03:27AM LIFELONG RESIDENT OF TAMPA.
11:03:28AM I JUST WANT TO SAY, REITERATE MY CONCERNS BEFORE HAD TO DO
11:03:32AM WITH WHAT THEY GOT BY RIGHT.
11:03:34AM WE HAVE A BONUS SYSTEM IN PLACE NOW THAT IS LOUSY.
11:03:41AM BONUSES ARE NOT BENEFICIAL TO THE PUBLIC THE WAY THEY SHOULD
11:03:44AM BE.
11:03:44AM IF WE KEEP A BONUSING STRUCTURE AND OPTION, THAT NEEDS TO BE
11:03:50AM REWORKED.
11:03:51AM MY BIGGEST CONCERN WAS THE BY RIGHT.
11:03:54AM MY OTHER CONCERN IS THAT SOUTH OF KENNEDY WE HAD THE HIGHEST
11:04:00AM RATE OF GROWTH IN THE CITY AND CITY COUNCIL VOTED TO
11:04:04AM ELIMINATE ANYTHING ABOVE BY RIGHT IF IT'S SINGLE USE.
11:04:09AM WE DON'T WANT TO UNDO THAT.
11:04:13AM I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT A LOT OF THE IDEAS ARE GOOD
11:04:18AM IDEAS, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE GROWTH HAPPENS WHERE
11:04:23AM IT'S BENEFICIAL.
11:04:24AM IF YOU CARE ABOUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIMITED RESOURCES, YOU
11:04:28AM NEED TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN PLACES WHERE THEY CAN
11:04:32AM SHELTER IN PLACE.
11:04:33AM IF YOU HATE PEOPLE WITH LIMITED RESOURCES, BUILD AFFORDABLE
11:04:38AM HOUSING IN EVACUATION ZONE A.
11:04:40AM BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE -- PEOPLE WITHOUT TRANSPORTATION, THE
11:04:44AM CITY WILL HAVE TO SEND A VAN TO PICK THEM UP AND TAKE THEM
11:04:47AM TO THE SHELTER.
11:04:48AM THEY'LL GET THERE TWO DAYS BEFORE THE HURRICANE HITS.
11:04:50AM THEN THE HURRICANE HITS.
11:04:51AM THEN THEY GOT TO GET BACK.
11:04:53AM PEOPLE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GO TO WORK.
11:04:56AM YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO CANNOT AFFORD TO MISS ONE
11:04:59AM DAY'S PAY.
11:05:00AM THEY ARE GOING TO GO HOME AND EVERYTHING IN THE FRIDGE WILL
11:05:04AM BE SPOILED.
11:05:05AM THE STRESS, UNLESS YOU'VE DONE IT, YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT.
11:05:08AM THE STRESS OF BEING IN A SHELTER, UNLESS YOU HAVE DONE IT,
11:05:11AM TALKING TO ANYBODY WHO HAS EVER BEEN TO ONE, NEVER, EVER
11:05:15AM WILL THEY GO BACK TO A SHELTER.
11:05:16AM BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHERE PEOPLE CAN SHELTER IN PLACE.
11:05:20AM IF PEOPLE CHOOSE TO EVACUATION, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE NOT
11:05:22AM MANDATED TO DO SO, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
11:05:25AM BUT DON'T MANDATE PEOPLE TO EVACUATE.
11:05:31AM IT IS GOING TO MAKE THEIR LIFE A NIGHTMARE.
11:05:34AM I WANT TO REITERATE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHERE PEOPLE CAN
11:05:36AM SHELTER IN PLACE.
11:05:36AM THEY CAN GO TO WORK.
11:05:37AM THEY CAN TAKE CARE OF THEIR FAMILIES AND THEIR ELECTRICITY
11:05:39AM DOESN'T GET TURNED OFF.
11:05:41AM AS FAR AS KENNEDY GOES, I WANT TO REMIND YOU, WITH THE FUN
11:05:45AM LAND, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU DID IS YOU STEPPED IT DOWN
11:05:49AM TOWARD THE RESIDENTIAL.
11:05:50AM THAT WAS GOOD.
11:05:51AM I THINK WHAT WAS ON HILLSBOROUGH SHOULD HAVE BEEN HIGHER.
11:05:53AM BUT YOU STEPPED IT DOWN TOWARD HILLSBOROUGH AND THAT IS A
11:05:57AM GREAT CONCEPT.
11:05:58AM I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THE SAME THING ON KENNEDY.
11:06:01AM I UNDERSTAND THE GOAL BUT DON'T PUT THE PARKING LOT ON
11:06:05AM KENNEDY AND THEN PUT THE FIVE-STORY BUILDING ON SOMEONE'S
11:06:09AM BACKYARD.
11:06:10AM DO IT THE OTHER WAY, WHATEVER.
11:06:13AM ANYHOW, I'M NOT A PLANNER, BUT I KNOW WHAT WORKS.
11:06:16AM THANK YOU.
11:06:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:06:18AM YES, MA'AM.
11:06:18AM NEXT SPEAKER.
11:06:19AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:06:20AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:06:21AM STEPHANIE POYNOR.
11:06:22AM I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING CARROLL ANN SAID.
11:06:25AM MAYBE NEXT TIME WE HAVE A HURRICANE AND THEY EVACUATE FOLKS,
11:06:28AM MAYBE YOU GUYS COULD GO CHECK OUT SHELTERS AND SEE WHAT IT
11:06:31AM REALLY LOOKS LIKE AND SEE WHAT YOU'RE SETTING FOLKS UP FOR.
11:06:36AM HERE IS MY QUESTION FOR YOU.
11:06:38AM WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WESTSHORE DISTRICT, ARE WE
11:06:40AM TALKING ABOUT THE WESTSHORE PLANNING DISTRICT THAT RUNS ALL
11:06:42AM THE WAY THROUGH WEST TAMPA?
11:06:43AM HOW IS THAT GOING TO INTERACT WITH THE HERITAGE COMMUNITIES?
11:06:46AM OR ARE WE JUST TALKING ABOUT WHAT THEY CALL THE WESTSHORE
11:06:49AM ALLIANCE?
11:06:49AM I JUST LOOKED FOR A MAP, A NEW UPDATED MAP FOR THE FIVE
11:06:53AM PLANNING DISTRICTS, I CAN'T SEEM TO FIND ONE ONLINE.
11:06:55AM I WOULD LIKE FOR MR. BENSON AND EVAN -- I CAN'T REMEMBER
11:06:59AM YOUR LAST NAME AT THE MOMENT -- TO SHOW WHAT AREA WE'RE
11:07:02AM TALKING ABOUT.
11:07:02AM BECAUSE IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARTS OF WEST TAMPA, HOW ARE
11:07:06AM THEY GOING TO FEEL ABOUT THAT?
11:07:07AM JUST TALKING ABOUT WESTSHORE OVER BY THE MALL THAT IS A
11:07:10AM DIFFERENT STORY.
11:07:10AM A DIFFERENT PART OF THE CITY, DIFFERENT THOUGHT PROCESSES,
11:07:14AM AND COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON CAN SPEAK MORE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING
11:07:20AM ON IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
11:07:24AM BUT IF WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT THE MAPS, WE RAN INTO THIS
11:07:27AM PROBLEM WITH THE ADUs WHERE SOUTH TAMPA IS EXEMPT BUT THEN
11:07:30AM WE HAD ALL THE PLACES IN HYDE PARK THAT ARE ACTUALLY PART OF
11:07:33AM THE CENTRAL PLANNING DISTRICT.
11:07:35AM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE MAP.
11:07:36AM I KNOW THEY SAID THEY WEREN'T GOING TO CHANGE IT FOR THIS
11:07:40AM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
11:07:40AM THEY WEREN'T GOING TO CHANGE THE PLANNING DISTRICT MAP
11:07:43AM BECAUSE THEY ARE ANCIENT OR WHATEVER, BUT THERE WAS GOING TO
11:07:46AM BE OTHER DIFFERENTIATION.
11:07:49AM I CAN'T FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH
11:07:52AM THIS.
11:07:52AM I KNOW THAT MS. SANCHEZ HAD BIG CONCERNS ABOUT THIS FOR WEST
11:07:57AM TAMPA AND HOW DOES THIS AFFECT THE OVERLAY.
11:08:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:08:01AM YES, SIR.
11:08:01AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:08:03AM >> MIKE MARINO, WESTSHORE ALLIANCE.
11:08:06AM TO FOLLOW UP ON THE LAST COMMENTS.
11:08:07AM THE WESTSHORE PLANNING DISTRICT RUNS FROM HIMES AVENUE ON
11:08:10AM THE EAST TO ROCKY POINT ON THE WEST, HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE ON
11:08:15AM THE NORTH AND KENNEDY BOULEVARD ON THE SOUTH, INCLUSIVE OF
11:08:19AM THE CORRIDOR -- OF THE PROPERTIES BORDER THE SOUTH EDGE OF
11:08:23AM KENNEDY BOULEVARD.
11:08:24AM FROM OUR UNDERSTANDING, AS RELATES TO THIS, THE WESTSHORE
11:08:31AM CORE IS WHAT WE KIND OF UNDERSTAND AS THE AREA AROUND SOUTH
11:08:35AM OF TAMPA INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT INCLUSIVE OF WESTSHORE PLAZA,
11:08:39AM INTERNATIONAL PLAZA.
11:08:40AM WE THINK OF THAT AS WESTSHORE ALLIANCE AS WESTSHORE OVERLAY
11:08:44AM DISTRICT.
11:08:44AM IT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING YOU ALL APPROVED LAST YEAR, INCLUDE
11:08:47AM PARKING AMENDMENT SO THAT PARKING WASN'T ENCROACHING ON THE
11:08:50AM NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS JUST REFERENCED EARLIER.
11:08:52AM DREW PARK AS A CRA HAS ITS OWN PLAN.
11:08:56AM TALKING ABOUT BONUS DENSITIES REALLY FOCUSES ON THE CORE OF
11:08:59AM WESTSHORE.
11:08:59AM THE OTHER PART WITH THE FAA AND HEIGHT LIMITS, THE WAY
11:09:03AM WESTSHORE IS SITUATED, YOU ARE UNDER THE FLIGHT PATH OF
11:09:06AM CERTAIN PARTS OF WESTSHORE.
11:09:08AM YOU CANNOT BUILD RESIDENTIAL UNDER THE FLIGHT PATH WHEN YOU
11:09:11AM ARE WITHIN A CERTAIN MILEAGE OF THE AIRPORT.
11:09:14AM SO AS IT RELATES TO WHAT YOU SAW EARLIER TODAY, IT'S NOT
11:09:18AM JUST THERE ARE HEIGHT LIMITS BUT ALSO RESTRICTIONS.
11:09:22AM BASICALLY WEST OF WESTSHORE BOULEVARD AND NORTH OF 275, YOU
11:09:27AM CANNOT BUILD HOUSING THERE BECAUSE YOU ARE TOO CLOSE TO THE
11:09:30AM AIRPORT AND TOO CLOSE TO THE FLIGHT PATH.
11:09:32AM ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE AS AN ORGANIZATION HAVE TALKED
11:09:35AM ABOUT IS THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE WESTSHORE OVERLAY ALREADY
11:09:40AM IN CODE, THAT THAT CAN BE A GUIDE FOR SOME OF THESE CHANGES.
11:09:45AM THE OTHER PART ABOUT THAT, SO MUCH OF WESTSHORE, AS WAS
11:09:49AM ALLUDED TO BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WAS DEVELOPED AT A
11:09:54AM PARTICULAR TIME WHEN YOU DID NOT HAVE MIXED USE.
11:09:56AM YOU HAVE VERY COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES WITHOUT THAT MIX OF
11:09:59AM USES.
11:09:59AM WE ALREADY KNOW BASED ON SOME INFORMATION FROM THE PROPERTY
11:10:03AM TAX APPRAISER, THE VALUE OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES IN
11:10:06AM WESTSHORE WILL GO DOWN ABOUT $70 MILLION THIS YEAR.
11:10:08AM THAT'S DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE FACT THAT THEY CANNOT BE
11:10:12AM MIXED USE PROPERTIES CURRENTLY.
11:10:14AM SO HAVING A FORMAL BONUS DENSITY STRUCTURE THAT WOULD MAYBE
11:10:20AM ENCOURAGE THOSE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENTS BECOME MIXED USE BUT
11:10:23AM ALSO HAVE AN UNDERLYING POTENTIAL WESTSHORE ZONING DISTRICT
11:10:28AM WOULD THEN ENABLE THOSE PROPERTIES TO BECOME MIXED USE SO
11:10:31AM YOU CAN DIRECT GROWTH TO WHERE YOU WANT IT TO BE DIRECTED
11:10:33AM BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE OVERLAY ALREADY EXISTING BUT THEN YOU
11:10:37AM CAN ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT TO GO WHERE YOU WANT IT TO GO
11:10:39AM BECAUSE THE OVERLAY ALREADY EXISTS IN YOUR CODE.
11:10:42AM THANK YOU.
11:10:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:10:42AM YES, SIR, NEXT SPEAKER.
11:10:48AM >> MENTESNOT.
11:10:50AM IT'S CALLED PROACTIVE DEVELOPMENT.
11:10:56AM IT'S CALLED CIVIL DISCOURSE.
11:11:02AM THAT MEANS WHERE PEOPLE CAN COLLECTIVELY GET TOGETHER AND
11:11:12AM RATIONALLY DISCUSS ANYTHING.
11:11:16AM AND IN THIS CASE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, PROACTIVE
11:11:21AM DEVELOPMENT.
11:11:22AM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOUTH TAMPA.
11:11:24AM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WESTSHORE DISTRICT.
11:11:28AM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER AREAS.
11:11:31AM WE'VE SEEN WHERE THEY HAVE COME BEFORE THIS CITY COUNCIL
11:11:33AM OVER THE DECADES AND TALKED ABOUT DEVELOPMENT.
11:11:39AM IF IT'S DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT, CHANNELSIDE DEVELOPMENT, DAVIS
11:11:48AM ISLAND DEVELOPMENT, NOT MUCH GOING ON OVER THERE, HARBOUR
11:11:53AM ISLAND DEVELOPMENT, AND IT'S REALLY CALLED PROACTIVE
11:11:59AM DEVELOPMENT.
11:12:00AM IT'S CALLED CIVIL DISCOURSE WHERE PEOPLE CAN GET TOGETHER.
11:12:06AM THEY DON'T HAVE TO SHOUT AND SCREAM AT ONE ANOTHER, AND THEY
11:12:10AM CAN HAVE A CIVIL DISCUSSION.
11:12:14AM THAT'S VERY INTERESTING.
11:12:16AM IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE.
11:12:19AM WHAT'S MOST INTERESTING ABOUT IT IS WE SEE IT HAPPENING
11:12:22AM RIGHT HERE TODAY IN ITEMS NUMBER 2 AND ITEMS NUMBER 4.
11:12:29AM WHAT WE NEVER SEE IS WHEN IT COMES TO DISTRICT 5, WE NEVER
11:12:34AM SEE PROACTIVE DEVELOPMENT IN A POSITIVE SENSE.
11:12:39AM WE NEVER SEE CIVIL DISCOURSE.
11:12:41AM WHAT WE SEE IS A BUNCH OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN HERE SCREAMING
11:12:45AM AND SHOUTING ABOUT, LIKE A SUNDAY MORNING CHURCH SERVICE.
11:12:50AM HALLELUJAH.
11:12:52AM HOW BAD THE CITY IS DOING US IN OUR DISTRICTS.
11:12:58AM AND THAT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK.
11:13:01AM THAT'S RACIALLY OFFENSIVE.
11:13:04AM IT'S REALLY RACIALLY OFFENSIVE BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT
11:13:07AM DISTRICT 5, IT'S NOT CIVIL DISCOURSE, AS YOU'VE SEEN HERE
11:13:11AM TODAY.
11:13:13AM IT'S NOT PROACTIVE DEVELOPMENT.
11:13:15AM WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS RELOCATION AND GENTRIFICATION IN
11:13:22AM THE WORST WAY.
11:13:23AM SO TO THINK TODAY THIS CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY COUNCIL
11:13:28AM MEMBERS NEED TO TAKE NOTICE OF THAT, DIFFERENCE IN HOW
11:13:34AM AFRICAN PEOPLE HAVE TO COME DOWN HERE AND WE CAN'T DO
11:13:38AM PROACTIVE DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK AND THAT NEEDS
11:13:44AM TO CHANGE.
11:13:45AM AND FOR YEARS I'VE BEEN SCREAMING ABOUT THE FLOODING IN
11:13:51AM SOUTH TAMPA AND NO ONE HAS DONE ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
11:13:55AM THANK YOU.
11:13:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
11:13:56AM ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
11:13:58AM ALL RIGHT, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE NEED A
11:14:01AM MOTION TO MOVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FORWARD.
11:14:03AM IS THAT CORRECT?
11:14:04AM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK WITH THE MOTION.
11:14:07AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:14:08AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:14:09AM AYE.
11:14:09AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:14:10AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:14:11AM THANK YOU, PLANNING COMMISSION, EVERYBODY INVOLVED, FOR ALL
11:14:14AM THIS HARD WORK.
11:14:15AM WE WILL NOW GO TO ITEM NUMBER 1, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT
11:14:20AM UPDATE.
11:14:42AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
11:14:44AM JEAN DUNCAN, ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY.
11:14:46AM THANKS FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
11:14:48AM WE HAVE SUBMITTED TO YOU WHAT WE CALLED A GREAT 8 REPORT, A
11:14:53AM KEY CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WE WANT TO HIGHLIGHT TO BRING YOUR
11:14:58AM ATTENTION TO THE PROJECTS WHICH HAVE A LITTLE MORE INTEREST
11:15:00AM TO THEM, EDGE, CONTROVERSY, OR OTHER DEBATE THAT MIGHT BE
11:15:05AM INVOLVED.
11:15:06AM WANT TO BRING THOSE TO YOUR ATTENTION THROUGH THE PROCESS.
11:15:10AM THE REPORT WAS SUBMITTED.
11:15:11AM WE ALSO SUBMITTED A PowerPoint, WHICH I WILL GO THROUGH
11:15:14AM HERE ONCE THEY LOAD IT UP ON THE SCREEN.
11:15:19AM I WANT TO MENTION WE STARTED THIS PROCESS FOR COUNCIL'S
11:15:22AM BENEFIT A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS AGO.
11:15:25AM THE MOTION AT THE TIME WAS TO COME BACK TWICE A YEAR WITH
11:15:30AM THE REPORT BUT ALWAYS AVAILABLE AT ANY TIME WITH ANY
11:15:33AM QUESTIONS AND ANY OF THE KEY PROJECTS OR ANY PROJECTS THAT
11:15:35AM ARE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
11:15:37AM THIS PRESENTATION IS SEPARATE FROM THE CAPITAL PROJECT
11:15:42AM BUDGET WORKSHOP THAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO HOLD, I BELIEVE A
11:15:46AM DATE IN JULY.
11:15:47AM THIS IS A SEPARATE PRESENTATION TODAY.
11:15:49AM IF I'M DRIVING, PARDON ME.
11:15:56AM I'M ALSO TECHNOLOGICALLY CHALLENGED APPARENTLY.
11:16:06AM THERE WE GO.
11:16:08AM JUST TO REITERATE, THIS PROCESS OUTLINED HERE, I WON'T READ
11:16:12AM EVERY LINE FOR YOU.
11:16:13AM YOU'VE SEEN IT BEFORE.
11:16:14AM BASICALLY IT'S KEY STAKEHOLDERS WITHIN THE CITY.
11:16:17AM THIS PROCESS EXISTS OR EVERY PROJECT THAT WE DO.
11:16:21AM HOWEVER, IN THE CASE OF WHAT I'LL CALL HIGH-PROFILE
11:16:25AM PROJECTS, WE ESSENTIALLY CREATED A WORKING GROUP OF THE
11:16:27AM ADMINISTRATORS AND DIRECTORS TO DISCUSS THESE PROJECTS ON A
11:16:31AM MONTHLY BASIS TO MAKE SURE COORDINATION IS TAKING PLACE
11:16:36AM AMONG THE KEY STAKEHOLDERS WHICH, OF COURSE, COUNCIL IS ALSO
11:16:40AM ONE OF THOSE KEY STAKEHOLDERS.
11:16:41AM FOR EACH OF THE REPORT PAGES IN THE PRESENTATION, WE'VE
11:16:49AM IDENTIFIED A FORMAT THAT WE USE EVERY SINGLE TIME JUST FOR
11:16:53AM CONSISTENCY AND EASE OF REFERENCE.
11:16:55AM BASIC INFORMATION SUCH AS OBVIOUSLY THE PROJECT NAME,
11:16:58AM DEPARTMENT, THE DISTRICT WHICH THE PROJECT RESIDES IN.
11:17:01AM THE OWNER IS BASICALLY EITHER ADMINISTRATOR OR DIRECTOR, KEY
11:17:05AM POINT PERSON THAT CAN TAKE IN QUESTIONS AND EITHER ANSWER
11:17:10AM THEM OR GET THE ANSWERS.
11:17:11AM OBVIOUSLY, WE ALWAYS INCLUDE A STATUS AND A SCHEDULE AND A
11:17:15AM MAP AND FUNDING INFORMATION AND SOME PHOTOS.
11:17:17AM JUST WANT TO MENTION, AGAIN, FOR YOUR INFORMATION FOR YOUR
11:17:23AM CONSTITUENTS AND FOR THE PUBLIC THAT THE ENTIRE CITY CAPITAL
11:17:27AM PROGRAM IS ONLINE.
11:17:30AM LINK THERE SHOWN ON THE SCREEN.
11:17:32AM THIS BASICALLY IS AN OVERVIEW OF ALL THE PROJECTS IN OUR
11:17:36AM CAPITAL PROGRAM.
11:17:37AM OBVIOUSLY, NAME AND LOCATION, FUNDING AND OTHER INFORMATION
11:17:41AM THAT SHOW HOW THE PROJECT WILL PROGRESS OVER A FIVE-YEAR
11:17:45AM PERIOD.
11:17:46AM WE DO A FIVE-YEAR SNAPSHOT EVERY YEAR, EVERY BUDGET CYCLE.
11:17:53AM WE HAVE ALL THE PROJECTS IDENTIFIED ON GIS MAP, WHICH IS THE
11:17:57AM SECOND LINK THERE.
11:17:58AM YOU CAN CLICK ON ANY OF THOSE DOTS ON THE MAP AND SEE THE
11:18:02AM STATUS, LOCATION AND OTHER INFORMATION ABOUT ALL OF OUR
11:18:05AM CAPITAL PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY.
11:18:07AM SO, WE HAVE ABOUT 20 PROJECTS ON THE LIST WE TALK ABOUT.
11:18:13AM WE INCLUDED 13 OF THOSE IN THE REPORT THAT ARE IN SOME SORT
11:18:16AM OF STATE OF PROGRESSION OR ACTIVITY THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE
11:18:20AM HELPFUL.
11:18:21AM OF THAT LIST WE IDENTIFIED 8 THAT WE WANTED TO SHARE WITH
11:18:24AM YOU TODAY.
11:18:24AM I HAVE EACH OF THE DEPARTMENT HEAD OR DEPARTMENT
11:18:30AM REPRESENTATIVE SPEAKERS HERE TODAY.
11:18:31AM I ASKED EVERYONE TO BE LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES, SHORT AND
11:18:35AM SWEET SO IT GIVES YOU ALL TIME TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY
11:18:38AM HAVE.
11:18:39AM OUR FIRST UP AT BAT IS BRANDON CAMPBELL.
11:18:43AM BRANDON HAD A RECENT PROMOTION TO ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR
11:18:47AM TRANSPORTATION.
11:18:48AM WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE WEST RIVER WALK THAT YOU'LL BE
11:18:51AM SEEING INFORMATION ON THAT AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING ON
11:18:55AM JULY 18.
11:18:56AM BRANDON.
11:18:57AM >> THANK YOU, JEAN.
11:18:59AM GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
11:19:00AM BRANDON CAMPBELL WITH THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
11:19:03AM I WILL MOVE FORWARD TO TALK ABOUT OUR WEST RIVER DISTRICT
11:19:09AM MULTIMODAL NETWORK AND SAFETY IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, WHICH IS
11:19:13AM SOMETIMES REFERRED TO IN SHORTHAND AS THE WEST RIVER WALK
11:19:18AM PROJECT AS LABELED ON THE SLIDE.
11:19:21AM I KNOW YOU ALL SPOKE PRETTY EXTENSIVELY LAST THURSDAY WITH
11:19:24AM VIK BHIDE AND DENNIS ROGERO ABOUT THIS AND THANK YOU FOR
11:19:29AM YOUR APPROVAL FOR EXECUTING AMENDMENT ONE FOR OUR GRANT
11:19:31AM AGREEMENT AND FOR YOUR FIRST CONSIDERATION OF THE
11:19:35AM DESIGN-BUILD CONTRACT WITH HASKELL AND ALSO KNOWING THAT
11:19:39AM WILL COME BEFORE YOU AGAIN ON JULY 18.
11:19:41AM I WILL BE PRETTY BRIEF HERE.
11:19:44AM GENERALLY, I WILL LEAVE THE TEXT ON THE SLIDES FOR YOUR
11:19:51AM REFERENCE AND AS NEEDED AND LEAVE TIME FOR QUESTIONS IF YOU
11:19:54AM SO CHOOSE TO ASK THEM.
11:19:56AM I MENTIONED IT HAS A LONGER PROJECT NAME, AND IT'S A BIT OF
11:20:03AM A MOUTHFUL, BUT IT IS REPRESENTATIVE OF HOW THE PROJECT IS
11:20:07AM MORE COMPREHENSIVE THAN JUST THE WEST RIVER WALK, THOUGH WE
11:20:11AM DO EXPECT THAT TO BE THE MOST VISIBLE SEGMENT THAT'S GOING
11:20:15AM TO BE CONSTRUCTED WITH THIS PROJECT.
11:20:18AM IT IS BROKEN UP INTO SIX DIFFERENT SEGMENTS, TWO OF THEM
11:20:23AM BEING RIVERWALK SEGMENTS, TWO OF THEM BEING PROTECTED BIKE
11:20:27AM LANES ALONG BOTH PLATT AND ROME, AND THEN CONNECTING BACK
11:20:31AM OVER VIA COLUMBUS AND THE RIDGEWOOD PARK TRAIL, COMPLETING
11:20:36AM THAT BACK DOWN TO THE EXISTING EAST SIDE RIVERWALK.
11:20:39AM I WANTED TO MENTION THAT WITHIN THE SLIDES, WE DO HAVE A
11:20:44AM COUPLE OF RENDERINGS OF THE OVER WATER SEGMENTS AND ALSO
11:20:49AM JUST TO MENTION THAT GENERALLY THE WEST RIVER WALK PORTION
11:20:53AM WILL BE BUILT ON THE LAND SIDE IN ORDER TO MANAGE THE COSTS
11:20:58AM OF THE PROJECT.
11:21:00AM THOSE TWO SEGMENTS, THE OVER WATER SEGMENTS ARE NECESSITATED
11:21:04AM BY THE PASSAGE UNDER THE BRIDGES AT PLATT AND AT BROREIN.
11:21:10AM WE DO EXPECT -- BACK ON PREVIOUS SLIDE, WE DO EXPECT THE
11:21:18AM PROJECT TO BE COMPLETED IN 2027, WITH A BUDGET, AS YOU KNOW,
11:21:24AM AND CONSIDERED LAST WEEK OF JUST OVER $56.8 MILLION.
11:21:29AM SO WITH THAT, I WILL PASS THE PRESENTATION TO DEPUTY CHIEF
11:21:35AM KATE.
11:21:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:21:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
11:21:39AM CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE?
11:21:40AM THIS MAY BE NITPICKY, BUT THE FUNDING SOURCE YOU HAVE HERE
11:21:46AM IS DIFFERENT.
11:21:47AM SO THE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES IN THIS PRESENTATION TALK ABOUT
11:21:53AM BONDS.
11:21:54AM I WAS WONDERING WHY THEY USE THE TERM LOCAL FUNDS INSTEAD OF
11:21:58AM MAKING SURE THAT WE MENTION THAT WE'RE FUNDING THIS THROUGH
11:22:02AM BONDS.
11:22:03AM >> I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHY THAT WAS PUT ON TO THE SLIDE
11:22:06AM JUST SAYING LOCAL FUNDS AND NOT IDENTIFYING BONDS.
11:22:11AM I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THAT AND TO
11:22:14AM REITERATE THAT IS THE PLANNED FUNDING SOURCE OF THE LOCAL
11:22:18AM MATCH.
11:22:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
11:22:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
11:22:21AM >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE THE SAME OBJECTION.
11:22:23AM ALSO WHEN THE PRESS LEAKS ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY, IT
11:22:26AM EXCLUDED THE INTEREST COST.
11:22:28AM MAYBE WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO COUNCIL AT SOME POINT.
11:22:31AM I THINK THE PUBLIC DESERVES TO KNOW THE ENTIRE COST OF THESE
11:22:34AM PROJECTS, NOT JUST THE PROPOSED CAPITAL COSTS.
11:22:37AM IT MAKES IT LOOK ARTIFICIALLY LOW.
11:22:40AM MY MAIN OBJECTION IS THAT WE'RE BONDING IT.
11:22:43AM IF WE WERE DOING PAY GO IN STAGES, I WOULD BE FINE, BUT I
11:22:47AM COMPLETELY OBJECT TO BONDING.
11:22:49AM ALSO, ISN'T THERE A DEVELOPER THAT NEEDS TO PAY?
11:22:51AM YOU MENTIONED THE BRIDGES JUST BELOW KENNEDY, A DEVELOPER
11:22:54AM OBLIGATED TO PAY 6.5 MILLION FOR THEIR PORTION OF IT.
11:22:59AM >> THE DEVELOPER PORTIONS SOUTH OF KENNEDY BETWEEN,
11:23:03AM BASICALLY BETWEEN KENNEDY AND BROREIN ARE NOT PART OF THE
11:23:07AM BUILD GRANT ITSELF.
11:23:08AM IT IS A SEPARATE CONSIDERATION, AND THAT'S WHY IT WASN'T
11:23:11AM INCLUDED IN THE SLIDE SHOW ITSELF.
11:23:13AM BUT THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO MENTION THAT THERE IS A
11:23:16AM SEGMENT THERE BEING --
11:23:20AM >>BILL CARLSON: TO BE FAIR, IF THE TOTAL COST INCLUDED --
11:23:22AM AND PROPOSE O AND M OVER 30 YEARS WOULD BE INCLUDED TOO.
11:23:27AM GOING ALL THE WAY FROM BROREIN, I THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE
11:23:30AM TO PUT IN THE DEVELOPER SUBSIDIZED PIECES AS WELL.
11:23:36AM >> THANK YOU.
11:23:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:23:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CLARIFICATION, TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S
11:23:43AM POINT.
11:23:44AM I HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH BHIDE ABOUT THE DEVELOPER PORTION,
11:23:47AM ABOUT MY CONCERNS THAT ONLY KICKS IN IF AND WHEN THE
11:23:51AM DEVELOPER DECIDES TO DEVELOP.
11:23:52AM SO WITH CHANGING MARKET CONDITIONS, IF THAT DOESN'T GET
11:23:55AM CONSTRUCTED, WE'LL HAVE A MAJOR GAP AND CRITICAL ELEMENT OF
11:23:58AM THE RIVERWALK.
11:24:01AM I HAD ASKED FOR A REPORT BACK OF WHEN THAT DEVELOPMENT
11:24:04AM AGREEMENT EXPIRES SO THAT MAYBE WE COULD REVISIT THAT AS FAR
11:24:08AM AS OUR PLANNING PURPOSES.
11:24:10AM I DEFINITELY HAVE CONCERN ABOUT THAT.
11:24:18AM >> UNDERSTOOD.
11:24:20AM THANK YOU.
11:24:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING ELSE?
11:24:21AM >> I'LL PASS IT ON TO DEPUTY CHIEF KATE.
11:24:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING.
11:24:26AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
11:24:27AM RUTH KATE, DEPUTY CHIEF OPERATIONS WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:24:29AM LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET THIS GOING.
11:24:33AM I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT ANNEX
11:24:40AM PROJECT, WHICH WILL BE HOUSED ON HOWARD AVENUE.
11:24:44AM IT'S NOT CHANGING.
11:24:45AM THANK YOU.
11:24:55AM APPRECIATE IT.
11:24:55AM SO YOU WILL SEE ANOTHER PRESENTATION AFTER MINE FOR SOLID
11:25:02AM WASTE.
11:25:02AM THE ONLY REASON I MENTION IT IN MINE IS BECAUSE THE TAMPA
11:25:07AM POLICE DEPARTMENT IMPOUND LOT WAS FORMERLY HOUSED AT THAT
11:25:10AM LOCATION ON 34th STREET.
11:25:11AM WE ARE CURRENTLY AT A TEMPORARY LOCATION OFF OF LOIS AVENUE,
11:25:16AM AND WE ARE BURSTING AT THE SEAMS.
11:25:19AM THIS WAS ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE A TEMPORARY LOCATION.
11:25:22AM THANKFULLY, DUE TO THE HANNA BUILDING WHERE MANY OF OUR CITY
11:25:26AM EMPLOYEES ARE NOW, WE WERE ABLE TO USE THE 7th FLOOR OF
11:25:29AM HEADQUARTERS FOR ADDITIONAL TEMPORARY STORAGE.
11:25:32AM SO WE HAVE PROPOSED THE BUILDING OF A NEW EVIDENCE STORAGE
11:25:37AM FACILITY ALONG WITH OUR FORENSICS UNIT.
11:25:39AM THIS WILL BE HOUSED ON THE HOWARD AVENUE.
11:25:42AM AND IT WILL BE A ONE-STOP LOCATION FOR ALL OUR CITIZENS AND
11:25:46AM ALL OUR EMPLOYEES TO GO TO COLLECT THEIR EVIDENCE, PERSONAL
11:25:50AM ITEMS, RETRIEVE ANY EVIDENCE THAT WAS COLLECTED WHERE WE
11:25:54AM NEEDED IT FOR EVIDENTIARY REASONS AND NEEDED TO BE
11:25:59AM PROCESSED.
11:26:00AM FORENSICS INVESTIGATORS WILL BE PROCESS EVIDENCE.
11:26:02AM DRYING ROOMS WILL BE THERE.
11:26:05AM EVIDENCE STORAGE.
11:26:05AM VEHICLE STORAGE WILL BE THERE AND BASICALLY BE A ONE-STOP
11:26:08AM SHOP.
11:26:09AM ALSO BE MODERNIZED WHICH WE ARE NOT VERY MODERNIZED IN OUR
11:26:14AM TECHNOLOGY THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AT HEADQUARTERS.
11:26:16AM WE HAVE BEEN AT OUR HEADQUARTERS NOW FOR ALMOST 28 YEARS.
11:26:20AM I REALIZE THAT WE WILL SOMEDAY MOVE FROM HEADQUARTERS.
11:26:23AM WE WILL NOT BE MOVING FORENSICS AND THE PROPERTY ROOM ALONG
11:26:28AM WITH US.
11:26:29AM IT WOULD BE BEST PRACTICES FOR IT TO BE HOUSED IN ANOTHER
11:26:33AM AREA.
11:26:33AM SEVERAL OTHER AGENCIES ARE ALREADY DOING THIS.
11:26:35AM MANY OF THOSE AGENCIES HAVE LARGE CAMPUSES LIKE THE
11:26:38AM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
11:26:40AM THEIR EVIDENCE STORAGE IS NOT IN THEIR ADMINISTRATIVE
11:26:43AM BUILDING BUT THEY HAVE A LARGE CAMPUS SO THEY CAN HOUSE IT
11:26:46AM ON THE SAME CAMPUS.
11:26:47AM WE WILL NOT BE THAT WAY.
11:26:49AM WHEN WE MOVE FROM HEADQUARTERS, WE WILL JUST BE BASICALLY
11:26:52AM TAKING THE BODIES AND ADMINISTRATIVE FILES.
11:26:54AM WE WILL NOT HAVE TO TAKE EVIDENCE WITH US.
11:26:58AM WE ARE CURRENTLY IN DESIGN-BUILD BID PHASE.
11:27:01AM THE DESIGN IS ABOUT 90% COMPLETE.
11:27:03AM I HOPE TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THAT TO YOU SOON.
11:27:06AM BUT I WILL SHOW YOU IN THE FOLLOWING SLIDE WHAT THE EXTERIOR
11:27:12AM OF THE BUILDING SHOULD LOOK LIKE.
11:27:13AM WE'LL BE LOCATING THIS JUST OUTSIDE OF THE WELLS WOOD
11:27:16AM PLAYGROUND, AND THIS WILL, AGAIN, BE THE ONE-STOP SHOP.
11:27:21AM WE ANTICIPATE THE BUDGET IS $40 MILLION THAT THIS WILL COME
11:27:24AM FROM BANK NOTES, GENERAL REVENUE, UTILITY SERVICES, AND IT
11:27:28AM WILL ALSO BE BONDS TO HELP COVER THE COST OF THE BUILDING.
11:27:33AM THIS IS A CURRENT RENDERING.
11:27:36AM THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY A COLD STORAGE FACILITY.
11:27:40AM SO SEMIS WOULD BACK UP AND UNLOAD.
11:27:43AM SEAFOOD OR ANY KIND OF FROZEN FOOD ITEMS THAT THIS COMPANY
11:27:47AM USED.
11:27:47AM WE WILL HAVE TO BRING THAT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH ADA, SO
11:27:51AM WE'LL HAVE TO LOWER THE THRESHOLD.
11:27:53AM AND THEN WE WILL SECURE THE ENTIRE FACILITY.
11:27:56AM WE WENT FROM ABOUT FOUR ACRES OFF OF 34th STREET TO 8
11:28:02AM ACRES NOW.
11:28:03AM I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL MAY
11:28:05AM HAVE.
11:28:06AM THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BEFORE YOU TODAY.
11:28:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE A QUESTION.
11:28:08AM YOU SAID THAT MODERNIZE PRACTICES OR BEST PRACTICES --
11:28:13AM MODERN PRACTICES OR BEST PRACTICES THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS
11:28:15AM IS SEPARATE FROM A MAIN HEADQUARTERS THAT OTHER PLACES HAVE
11:28:18AM A SPECIFIC HEADQUARTERS AND THEN THEY HAVE A SEPARATE
11:28:21AM ENTITY?
11:28:23AM >> SO WITH YOU COMING TO HEADQUARTERS NOW, AND WE DID A
11:28:26AM LARGE DRUG SEIZURE, YOU'RE GOING TO SMELL IT AND WE DON'T
11:28:29AM HAVE THE RIGHT VENTILATION WHERE WE ARE AT.
11:28:32AM SOME OF THE MODERN FACILITIES HAVE THE CORRECT VENTILATION
11:28:35AM AND WE WANT TO GET TO THAT.
11:28:36AM WE'RE NOT THERE.
11:28:38AM ALSO, THEY HAVE SHELVING IN THE STORAGE FACILITIES THAT CAN
11:28:43AM GO VERTICAL.
11:28:44AM ALSO WE ARE KIND OF STACKING BOXES ON TOP OF BOXES, THEY ARE
11:28:49AM LABELED AND THEY ARE SECURE, THEY ARE NOT IN THE PROPER
11:28:52AM STORAGE.
11:28:53AM SO THAT WILL BE THE MODERNIZATION.
11:28:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
11:28:56AM ANOTHER THING, I THINK THE ORIGINAL NUMBER WAS UNDER $10
11:29:00AM MILLION FOR THIS PROJECT, MAYBE 6, MAYBE 8.
11:29:04AM NOW IT'S AT $40 MILLION.
11:29:06AM THAT SEEMS TO BE A COMMON THING IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS ON
11:29:10AM THESE LARGE PROJECTS.
11:29:12AM MY QUESTION IS, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE SPENDING $40 MILLION
11:29:16AM FOR THIS, WHY NOT INCORPORATE -- IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE
11:29:19AM MOVING, SELLING BIG BLUE, MOVING TO A NEW HEADQUARTERS, AND
11:29:23AM THEN JUST BUILDING SOMETHING WITH THE PROPER VENTILATION, IF
11:29:25AM YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IF THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES.
11:29:29AM BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE -- $40 MILLION AND PARTS WILL BE
11:29:35AM BONDED WHICH MEANS MORE EXPENSIVE, WHY NOT INCORPORATE THAT
11:29:38AM TO A MASTER HEADQUARTERS WITH EVERYTHING WHERE IT ALL MAKES
11:29:43AM SENSE INSTEAD OF SPENDING EXTRA MONEY.
11:29:45AM IT'S LIKE WE'RE BUILDING TWO HEADQUARTERS AT THIS TIME.
11:29:48AM IN THIS SENSE.
11:29:49AM 40 MILLION HERE AND THEN WHATEVER THAT IS GOING TO COST.
11:29:53AM >> UNFORTUNATELY I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE ORIGINAL BUDGET
11:29:56AM PROPOSAL.
11:29:56AM I CAN ONLY SPEAK TO WHAT THE DESIGN-BUILD HAS PROPOSED THE
11:30:03AM COST.
11:30:03AM BUT WE WOULD NOT RE-CREATE A NEW EVIDENCE STORAGE FACILITY.
11:30:08AM ANY NEW BUILDING FOR HEADQUARTERS WOULD BE AT A SIGNIFICANT
11:30:12AM REDUCED RATE.
11:30:13AM WE COULD LEAVE PROBABLY NOW AND HOTEL ANYWHERE BECAUSE WE'RE
11:30:18AM BASICALLY TAKING THE PEOPLE.
11:30:19AM THE SECURITY THAT WE NEED AT ANY POLICE FACILITY MAINLY
11:30:23AM SURROUNDS NOT JUST THE PEOPLE BUT MAINLY SURROUNDS THE
11:30:26AM EVIDENCE STORAGE.
11:30:27AM THIS IS HIGH-VALUE NARCOTICS, OUR FIREARMS, ALL OF THESE
11:30:32AM THINGS HAVE TO GO THERE SO THIS STRUCTURE HAS TO BE
11:30:35AM REINFORCED.
11:30:36AM WE HAVE TO HAVE SECURITY CAMERAS WHICH THIS FACILITY NEVER
11:30:38AM HAD.
11:30:39AM AND THAT'S WHY IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE.
11:30:43AM THE STRUCTURAL HAS TO BE JUST RIGHT.
11:30:49AM THEY HAVE TO REINFORCE THE CONCRETE.
11:30:51AM AND WE WON'T HAVE TO TAKE THAT WITH US WHEN WE DO HAVE A NEW
11:30:54AM LOCATION FOR OUR NEW HEADQUARTERS.
11:30:56AM AND THE NEW HEADQUARTERS WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE LESS
11:30:59AM EXPENSIVE.
11:30:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:31:00AM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, HURTAK, CLENDENIN.
11:31:04AM >>BILL CARLSON: MY QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE HOW MUCH IT'S
11:31:06AM GOING TO COST.
11:31:10AM CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT IT IS $40 MILLION NOW?
11:31:14AM >> SO WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE DESIGN-BUILD BID, WHAT WE'RE
11:31:18AM COMING UP WITH IS LOW END 32 MILLION.
11:31:21AM HIGH END 40 MILLION.
11:31:23AM UNTIL IT ACTUALLY GOES OUT TO BID, COUNCILMAN, I CAN'T TELL
11:31:26AM YOU THE EXACT COST, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BUDGETING FOR, AND
11:31:30AM THAT'S BASED ON THE EXPERTS THAT ARE WORKING ON THE DESIGN
11:31:33AM FOR US.
11:31:33AM >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT IS THE SOURCE OF FUNDS FOR IT?
11:31:36AM >> I CAN GO BACK TO THE SLIDE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT,
11:31:39AM BUT IT WILL BE BONDING.
11:31:41AM IT WILL BE FROM THE GENERAL FUNDS AND ALSO SOME REVENUES
11:31:46AM THAT THE CITY HAS.
11:31:48AM >>BILL CARLSON: OKAY.
11:31:48AM YEAH, I WOULD JUST ASK WHEN YOU ALL PRESENT THIS MORE BIG
11:31:53AM TEN THAT IT INCLUDE THE INTEREST COSTS AND THE O AND M,
11:31:57AM ESPECIALLY WITH BUILDINGS, IT NEEDS TO INCLUDE O AND M OVER
11:32:00AM 30 YEARS SO THE PUBLIC HAS A CHANCE TO SEE.
11:32:03AM I THINK THE PUBLIC SUPPORTS TPD AND THE SERVICES THAT YOU
11:32:07AM ALL NEED, BUT ON ALL THESE PROJECTS WE NEED TO BE
11:32:12AM TRANSPARENT.
11:32:13AM ALSO, I WOULD ASK RICHARD MUTTERBACK OR SOMEBODY, MAYBE YOU
11:32:17AM ALL CAN COME BEFORE US AND TALK TO US ABOUT WAYS OR THE
11:32:20AM ADMINISTRATION, WAYS TO CUT THESE COSTS.
11:32:22AM I NEVER HEARD THE $10 MILLION NUMBER, BUT IF THIS WAS 10
11:32:25AM MILLION AND IT'S 40 MILLION, WE HAD A PARK THAT WAS 5
11:32:29AM MILLION AND THEN 41 MILLION PLUS INTEREST, IT'S A HUNDRED
11:32:33AM MILLION.
11:32:34AM WE HAVE A BUILDING THAT WAS 108 MILLION FOR TWO BUILDINGS
11:32:38AM AND THEN IT WAS 121 PLUS INTEREST AND EVERYTHING FOR ONE
11:32:42AM BUILDING, WHICH IS 220 MILLION.
11:32:44AM IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, I SEE COSTS GOING UP, BUT I DON'T SEE
11:32:48AM THEM GOING UP FOUR, FIVE TIMES LIKE I SEE HERE.
11:32:51AM IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR GOING UP 20% AND THEN WE'RE GETTING
11:32:55AM 30% BECAUSE WE'RE GOVERNMENT, I THINK THE PUBLIC WOULD
11:32:58AM UNDERSTAND THAT.
11:32:58AM BUT -- I'M NOT PICKING ON THIS PROJECT, BUT OTHER PROJECTS,
11:33:02AM THEY ARE JUST OUT OF CONTROL IN TERMS OF COSTS.
11:33:05AM SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO GET AHOLD OF IT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT
11:33:08AM PRIORITIES IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE NEED TO FUND AND WE
11:33:12AM CAN'T AFFORD ANY OF THESE PROJECTS.
11:33:14AM THIS ONE IS A NECESSITY.
11:33:17AM SOME OF THE OTHERS ARE JUST A WANT.
11:33:19AM BUT WE HAVE WAY TOO MUCH MONEY.
11:33:21AM WHAT IS THE STATUS OF REPLACING THE BLUE BUILDING
11:33:26AM HEADQUARTERS?
11:33:26AM IS THAT GOING TO GO -- WHAT YEAR DO YOU THINK THAT WILL
11:33:29AM START?
11:33:30AM IS THAT IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS OR GOING TO BE AFTER THAT?
11:33:34AM >> IT'S NOT STARTING IMMEDIATELY.
11:33:36AM MAYBE IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
11:33:37AM I KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT LAND, SO WE'RE WAY
11:33:43AM AHEAD.
11:33:44AM WE HAVE TO FIND LAND THAT WE COULD USE.
11:33:47AM I KNOW WE HAD HOPED TO HAVE BEEN ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE
11:33:52AM HANNA AVENUE PROJECT BUT THAT LAND SWAP FELL THROUGH.
11:33:54AM SO WE'RE BACK IN THE INFANCY STAGES OF THAT ONCE AGAIN.
11:33:57AM >>BILL CARLSON: THAT ONE I THINK IT ALWAYS COULD HAVE
11:34:01AM CONTROVERSY, BUT I THINK THE PUBLIC, FOR THE MOST PART,
11:34:04AM WOULD SUPPORT IT.
11:34:05AM BUT WE NEED TO HAVE FULL TRANSPARENCY FROM THE BEGINNING
11:34:08AM BECAUSE SOME OF THESE PROJECTS ARE GOING TO BE FOREVER
11:34:10AM TAINTED BY THE WAY THE NUMBERS WERE PRESENTED AND THE WAY
11:34:14AM THE COSTS ESCALATED.
11:34:16AM AND IT WOULD BE GOOD GOING FORWARD, ESPECIALLY FOR THINGS
11:34:19AM THAT ARE REALLY NEEDED IF WE CAN HANDLE THAT.
11:34:22AM AND IF YOU ALL WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT OFF-LINE, WE CAN.
11:34:25AM I WOULD JUST ASK SOMEBODY ON STAFF TO PLEASE HELP US TO
11:34:27AM CONTROL THESE COSTS ON THESE PROJECTS.
11:34:29AM THANK YOU.
11:34:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, CLENDENIN,
11:34:32AM MIRANDA, HENDERSON.
11:34:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
11:34:35AM YOU GAVE ME A PRESENTATION ABOUT THIS RECENTLY.
11:34:42AM IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE JUST FOR ME.
11:34:45AM YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHOW.
11:34:46AM I'M JUST CURIOUS, SO TALKING ABOUT THE FUNDING, ONE MORE
11:34:51AM SLIDE SO WE CAN SEE WHERE THIS FUNDING SOURCE IS, BANK NOTE,
11:34:54AM GENERAL GOVERNMENT, UTILITY SERVICES, TAXES, AND NON-AD
11:34:57AM VALOREM BONDS.
11:34:59AM THE REAL ISSUE I HAVE WITH THIS IS I DON'T THINK THAT WE AS
11:35:06AM A COUNCIL CAN REALLY LOOK AT THIS GOING FORWARD UNTIL WE
11:35:11AM KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE CIT.
11:35:17AM WHEN WE KNOW IF THAT TAX IS PASSED, I THINK THAT CHANGES A
11:35:21AM LOT OF OUR CONVERSATIONS AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
11:35:23AM I ALSO -- WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT SELLING THE
11:35:28AM LAND THAT BIG BLUE IS ON AND USING THAT TO HELP PAY FOR THIS
11:35:32AM IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER AND MOVING FORWARD
11:35:36AM WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
11:35:38AM I BELIEVE THERE ARE WAYS TO PAY FOR THIS.
11:35:39AM BUT THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY THAT I FOUND OUT DURING
11:35:42AM OUR SOURCE OF CONVERSATION IS THAT YOU TOLD ME THIS IS NOT
11:35:48AM JUST CONSTRUCTION, THIS IS ALSO PUTTING IN ALL OF THE
11:35:51AM SPECIALTY EQUIPMENT THAT WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW.
11:35:54AM SO THE $40 MILLION IS NOT JUST THE BUILDING.
11:35:59AM THE $40 MILLION IS PUTTING IN THE SPECIAL GUN SAFES, THE
11:36:04AM SPECIAL -- ALL THE THINGS THAT WE ACTUALLY DON'T EVEN
11:36:08AM CURRENTLY HAVE.
11:36:09AM SO FROM THAT, I UNDERSTAND WHY THE NUMBER IS A LITTLE BIT
11:36:16AM HIGHER, BUT I STILL WANT TO GO BACK TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO
11:36:19AM PAY FOR IT.
11:36:20AM I'M JUST ASKING THE ADMINISTRATION, BEFORE WE APPROVE THIS,
11:36:22AM WE REALLY HAVE TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET CIT-WISE.
11:36:27AM THANK YOU.
11:36:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THOSE ARE RIGHT ON.
11:36:30AM EXACTLY.
11:36:30AM I AGREE.
11:36:31AM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, HENDERSON, MIRANDA.
11:36:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I CAN'T DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING PREVIOUSLY
11:36:38AM SAID.
11:36:39AM I KIND OF HAD THE SAME CONCERNS ALSO WITH THE CIT.
11:36:42AM HAS THERE BEEN A COST-BENEFIT ANALYSIS OF CO-LOCATION AND
11:36:47AM BUILDING THE NEW POLICE HEADQUARTERS ALONG WITH THIS?
11:36:51AM IS THERE POTENTIAL OF DOING IT ON THE EXISTING LAND ON
11:36:54AM HOWARD?
11:36:54AM HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD WE SAVE BY CO-LOCATION VERSUS HAVING
11:36:58AM TWO INDEPENDENT STRUCTURES LOCATED AT DIFFERENT FACILITIES?
11:37:00AM HAS THAT ANALYSIS BEEN DONE?
11:37:05AM >> NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
11:37:07AM CURRENTLY THIS BUILDING IS ONLY ONE STORY, AND RIGHT NOW
11:37:11AM WE'RE TEN STORIES.
11:37:12AM SO I IMAGINE THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY --
11:37:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS IS FOUR ACRES.
11:37:20AM >> YEAH, THAT'S TRUE.
11:37:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: [INDISCERNIBLE]
11:37:25AM >> WE WILL NOT DEVELOP THE ENTIRE 8 ACRES DUE TO THE TREE
11:37:30AM CANOPY, BUT WE WILL BE ABLE TO DEVELOP CLOSE TO SIX.
11:37:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: JUST FOR FULL DISCLOSURE, I THINK A LOT OF
11:37:38AM THE QUESTIONS ASKED BY COUNCIL HAVE TO BE ANSWERED BEFORE
11:37:41AM WE'RE ABLE TO GIVE THE TWO THUMBS UP ON THIS.
11:37:44AM I THINK ALSO HAVING A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS ON -- RELOCATION
11:37:50AM OF BIG BLUE, WHETHER THAT WOULD COST, TWO INDEPENDENT
11:37:53AM FACILITIES VERSUS COMBINED FACILITIES.
11:37:55AM 8-ACRE SITE I WOULD THINK WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR CITY
11:37:59AM COUNCIL AND TAXPAYERS TO KNOW THAT.
11:38:01AM THANK YOU.
11:38:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON AND MIRANDA.
11:38:05AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
11:38:05AM GOOD MORNING.
11:38:07AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:38:07AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THE LOCATION AT HOWARD AVENUE, DO WE
11:38:11AM ALREADY OWN THIS BUILDING?
11:38:13AM >> YES, MA'AM, WE DO.
11:38:14AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: DO WE CURRENTLY USE IT FOR ANYTHING ELSE?
11:38:17AM >> IT'S JUST USED FOR MISCELLANEOUS STORAGE RIGHT NOW.
11:38:19AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY.
11:38:22AM YOU KNOW EARLIER IN MY TERM, WE RENTED A FACILITY WHERE I
11:38:27AM THINK WE HOUSED VEHICLES.
11:38:30AM WE SPENT MAYBE 25, 30 THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH FOR IMPOUND
11:38:36AM PROPERTY, I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT WAS CALLED.
11:38:38AM IS THIS GOING TO BE A PART OF THAT?
11:38:40AM >> THIS WILL REPLACE THAT.
11:38:42AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY.
11:38:42AM THAT WAS $250,000 A YEAR THAT WE'RE SPENDING I THINK.
11:38:45AM >> YES, THERE WILL BE A PERIOD OF OVERLAP IN ORDER TO GET
11:38:48AM EVERYTHING IN THERE BECAUSE WE STORE A LARGE AMOUNT OF
11:38:53AM VEHICLES THERE.
11:38:54AM WE'RE HOPING TO REDUCE THAT AMOUNT OF STORAGE OF VEHICLES
11:38:59AM GOING FORWARD WITH OUR AGENCY.
11:39:01AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY.
11:39:02AM THE ONE STOP SHOPPING THAT ENGAGES THE COMMUNITY ASPECT OF
11:39:07AM IT, ALSO YOU SAID OUR STORAGE OF OUR FIREARMS IS GOING TO BE
11:39:11AM THERE.
11:39:13AM OBVIOUSLY IT'S GOING TO BE A -- ALSO ANY TYPE OF JAIL
11:39:17AM FACILITY THERE AS WELL OR NO?
11:39:19AM >> NO.
11:39:19AM THIS WILL BE, IF YOU ARE A CITIZEN AND YOU NEED TO HAVE
11:39:22AM FINGERPRINTS TAKEN OR PHOTOGRAPHS TAKEN, SAY YOU WANT TO BE
11:39:26AM A TEACHER, THEY COME TO HEADQUARTERS ALL THE TIME, THIS IS
11:39:29AM WHERE YOU'LL GO.
11:39:30AM CURRENTLY NOW IF YOU ARE A VICTIM OF A CRIME AND, SAY, YOUR
11:39:34AM CAR WAS IMPOUNDED BUT YOU HAD SOME HIGH-VALUE PERSONAL ITEMS
11:39:38AM LIKE JEWELRY, YOU'LL HAVE TO COME TO HEADQUARTERS TO PICK UP
11:39:41AM YOUR JEWELRY AND YOU HAVE TO GO TO LOIS AVENUE OUT IN DREW
11:39:44AM PARK TO PICK UP YOUR CAR.
11:39:46AM SO THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT PLACES.
11:39:48AM NOW THE CITIZEN WILL ONLY HAVE TO GO TO ONE PLACE TO PICK UP
11:39:51AM THEIR PROPERTY.
11:39:52AM ALSO BE A REDUCTION IN STAFF BECAUSE WE WILL NOT HAVE TO
11:39:56AM HOUSE EMPLOYEES AT MULTIPLE LOCATIONS.
11:39:58AM WE HOUSE THEM IN TWO LOCATIONS AT HEADQUARTERS BOTH ON TWO
11:40:03AM DIFFERENT FLOORS, AND THEN OUT AT THE CURRENT IMPOUND LOT
11:40:07AM OVERFLOW STORAGE FACILITY.
11:40:09AM THAT'S JUST FOR LARGE ITEMS OUT THERE IS WHY THEY ARE OUT
11:40:14AM THERE.
11:40:15AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: LAST QUESTION, THE DESIGN-BUILD YOU PLAN
11:40:18AM TO SHOW US SOMETIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE, WHAT IS THE SQUARE
11:40:21AM FOOTAGE APPROXIMATELY OF THIS FACILITY THAT WE'RE LOOKING
11:40:24AM FOR?
11:40:24AM BECAUSE I'M THINKING ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF THE $40 MILLION
11:40:27AM COST.
11:40:28AM OBVIOUSLY IT IS VERY BIG.
11:40:29AM >> YES, IT IS.
11:40:30AM I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DIMENSIONS IN FRONT OF ME.
11:40:34AM I'D HAVE TO GET THAT FOR YOU.
11:40:35AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
11:40:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:40:38AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE PHOTOGRAPHS
11:40:41AM THAT YOU HAVE COMPARING WHAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
11:40:44AM AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES LIKE
11:40:46AM ORLANDO, ST. PETE.
11:40:47AM I BELIEVE I WAS ABLE TO SEE THOSE WITH YOU.
11:40:50AM IT'S LIKE CSI.
11:40:54AM FIND A LITTLE HAIR, THEY CAN TELL WHO YOU ARE, SO FORTH, TO
11:40:59AM FIND OUT LITTLE THINGS.
11:41:00AM I DON'T SEE HOW YOU ALL DO IT, ANYWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES
11:41:05AM OF AMERICA HOW THEY CAN DO THINGS NOW IS JUST UNBELIEVABLE.
11:41:08AM I THINK A PICTURE WOULD SAY A THOUSAND WORDS IF YOU HAD THEM
11:41:11AM WITH YOU.
11:41:12AM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DO OR NOT.
11:41:13AM BUT THAT'S ONE THING.
11:41:14AM JUST TO MENTION, IT CREATES A DIFFERENT, QUICKER, ALSO
11:41:20AM FINGER PRINTING YOU CAN DO ELECTRONICALLY, I WOULD IMAGINE
11:41:24AM YOU CAN DO THAT THERE.
11:41:25AM I KNOW THE STATE DOES THAT AND EVERYTHING IS GOING DIGITAL,
11:41:29AM FINGERPRINT IN ONE HUNDREDTHS OF A SECOND, FIND YOUR
11:41:32AM FINGERPRINT IF IT MATCHES OR DOESN'T MATCH.
11:41:34AM NOT LIKE YOU GO THROUGH A BOOK AND LOOK, DO THEY MATCH WITH
11:41:37AM A MAGNIFYING GLASS, THAT IS THE OLD WAY OF DOING THINGS.
11:41:41AM IT IS A HIGH COST.
11:41:42AM IT IS A DIFFERENT COST.
11:41:43AM WE HAVE TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS AND HOW CAME TO THAT AMOUNT.
11:41:45AM THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.
11:41:47AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR KINDNESS AND SHOWING ME ALL THE
11:41:49AM INFORMATION.
11:41:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN, YOU HAD A
11:41:51AM FOLLOW-UP?
11:41:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAD.
11:41:53AM FIRST, IF THEY ARE LOOKING FOR HAIR FOR ANALYSIS, AT LEAST
11:41:57AM CHARLIE MIRANDA IS SAFE FROM BEING ACCUSED OF A CRIME.
11:42:00AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT MYSELF.
11:42:02AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECONDLY, REFERENCE THE COST BENEFIT
11:42:07AM ANALYSIS.
11:42:08AM I UNDERSTAND YOUR IDEA OF CO-LOCATION.
11:42:12AM I THINK IN ADDITION TO THAT BECAUSE THE DIRT IN THE CITY OF
11:42:14AM TAMPA IS SO EXPENSIVE AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPOUND LOTS,
11:42:17AM IS IT REALLY -- IS IT THE BEST USE OF FUNDS?
11:42:22AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS.
11:42:23AM IF SOMEBODY WERE TO DO AN ANALYSIS, THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE
11:42:26AM IN THE CITY.
11:42:27AM IT COULD BE A COUNTY PROPERTY, SOMEPLACE MORE REMOTE FOR
11:42:30AM IMPOUND LOTS, CORRECT?
11:42:31AM IF WE COULD DO AN ANALYSIS OF A LESS EXPENSIVE PLACE JUST TO
11:42:35AM IMPOUND VEHICLES, I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A BENEFIT
11:42:38AM TO US, IF WE HAD TO FREE UP SPACE TO CO-LOCATE A
11:42:42AM HEADQUARTERS.
11:42:44AM >> THIS WILL BE WHERE OUR CITY EMPLOYEES WORK.
11:42:48AM THE IDEAL PLACE WOULD BE WITHIN THE CITY, BUT IT'S NOT --
11:42:53AM STORAGE TOO.
11:42:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK AN ANALYSIS, OKAY, IF WE DID IT
11:42:56AM HERE, HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST.
11:42:58AM DID IT HERE WHERE THE DIRT IS SO MUCH CHEAPER, HOW MUCH IT
11:43:01AM WOULD COST.
11:43:02AM I THINK A COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS.
11:43:04AM AGAIN, IF THIS MEANT, FREE UP LAND TO CO-LOCATE AND
11:43:08AM CONSTRUCT NEW HEADQUARTERS.
11:43:09AM WE ALL KNOW WE HAVE TO CONSTRUCT A NEW POLICE HEADQUARTERS.
11:43:12AM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A $40 MILLION NUT FOR THIS AND THE
11:43:15AM WHAT-IFS ON THE ADDED COMPONENT OF HEADQUARTERS.
11:43:18AM THIS IS SOMETHING WE KNOW WE'RE FACED WITH.
11:43:22AM I THINK WE NEED TO DO A LITTLE MORE DIGGING OF WHAT THE
11:43:25AM OPTIONS ARE AND HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST.
11:43:27AM MAYBE THE ANSWER IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF US TODAY.
11:43:29AM THIS MIGHT BE THE ANSWER, BUT I THINK HAVING THAT AS FULL
11:43:34AM DISCLOSURE WOULD BE HELPFUL.
11:43:36AM >> I THINK I HAVE TO CONSULT WITH REAL ESTATE TO ANSWER YOUR
11:43:38AM QUESTION.
11:43:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ME TOO.
11:43:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:43:43AM >> THANK YOU.
11:43:44AM I THINK MR. WASHINGTON IS NEXT.
11:43:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING, SIR.
11:43:47AM >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
11:43:49AM LARRY WASHINGTON, DIRECTOR OF THE SOLID WASTE ENVIRONMENTAL
11:43:51AM PROGRAM MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT.
11:43:53AM IF THE SLIDES WOULD POPULATE FOR ME.
11:43:59AM WONDERFUL.
11:44:00AM I KNOW WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF CONVERSATIONS AS OF RECENT
11:44:07AM ABOUT THE RELOCATION OF OUR COMPLEX FROM SPRUCE STREET TO
11:44:11AM 34th STREET AS DEPUTY CHIEF RUTH KATE HAS MENTIONED.
11:44:15AM BUT WANT TO PROVIDE SOME BRIEF UPDATES IN ADDITION TO THAT,
11:44:19AM WANT TO OVEREMPHASIZE -- CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH -- THE
11:44:23AM IMPORTANCE OF THE PROJECT TO THE WASTE STREAM, NOT JUST THE
11:44:27AM SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT.
11:44:27AM SO, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, ON THE CITY OF TAMPA GENERATES
11:44:32AM ROUGHLY 410,000 TONS OF WASTE PER YEAR, 20,000 OF WHICH IS
11:44:37AM RECYCLE.
11:44:37AM WE'RE TRYING TO INCREASE THAT MOVING FORWARD AS WELL.
11:44:39AM THE NUMBER OF TONS OF WASTE RECEIVED IS FORECAST TO
11:44:43AM INCREASE.
11:44:44AM WE'RE EXPECTING ROUGHLY 3,000 TONS OF WASTE PER YEAR MOVING
11:44:48AM FORWARD BASED OFF OF THE ADDITIONAL POPULATION THAT THE CITY
11:44:52AM OF TAMPA IS RECEIVING.
11:44:54AM THIS IS THE WASTE STREAM AS A WHOLE, NOT JUST THE MSW,
11:44:58AM MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTE, WHICH GOES TO THE WASTE ENGINE
11:45:02AM FACILITY.
11:45:03AM HOW DO WE GET HERE?
11:45:04AM 2018 MASTER PLAN STUDY WAS DONE, AND IT WAS RECOMMENDED BY
11:45:09AM THE MASTER PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A MORE CONSOLIDATED, A
11:45:14AM MORE -- TO MOVE FROM A DISJOINTED OPERATION THAT WE
11:45:17AM CURRENTLY HAVE WITH BUILDINGS FROM SPRUCE STREET OVER TO
11:45:21AM 34th STREET, TO CONSOLIDATE THAT EFFORT TO BECOME MORE
11:45:25AM EFFICIENT.
11:45:26AM AND IN 2019, MASTER PLAN OR RELOCATION PLAN WAS DEVELOPED BY
11:45:30AM HARRY HOWARD AND ASSOCIATES, AND THIS IS HOW WE ARE HERE
11:45:33AM TODAY.
11:45:33AM RIGHT NOW, WE ARE AT 90% DESIGN.
11:45:36AM COST ESTIMATE IS STILL AT 60%.
11:45:38AM HOWEVER WE WILL HAVE THAT BACK IN AUGUST.
11:45:40AM SO WE PLAN ON PRESENTING TO YOU NO LATER THAN OCTOBER FOR
11:45:43AM THE 90% GMP.
11:45:45AM ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION IS $107 MILLION.
11:45:51AM THE ESTIMATED TIME OF COMPLETION IS MARCH OF 2027.
11:45:56AM SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF THIS PROJECT, DECREASED TRAVEL TIME
11:46:01AM OF COLLECTION ABOUT 25 MINUTES PER DRIVER.
11:46:05AM THAT'S HUNDRED DRIVERS ROUGHLY, WHICH WILL SAVE US OVER
11:46:08AM $300,000 IN OVERTIME IF YOU ALL APPROVE, OF COURSE.
11:46:13AM DECREASE OVERTIME AND OPERATIONAL COSTS.
11:46:15AM DECREASE GREENHOUSE GASES, DECREASE NOISE POLLUTION.
11:46:20AM IN ADDITION TO LIGHT POLLUTION AS WELL FOR THE CARVER CITY
11:46:22AM AREA.
11:46:23AM AND IT FREES UP 20 ACRES OF THAT VIABLE LAND FOR
11:46:27AM DEVELOPMENT.
11:46:28AM OF COURSE, IMPROVE THE STORMWATER CAPACITY FUNCTION FOR THE
11:46:32AM SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT AT THE NEW LOCATION AS WELL.
11:46:34AM CAN'T FORGET MY DRIVERS, MY TEAM.
11:46:39AM REDUCES THE DRIVER FATIGUE DUE TO IMPROVED EFFICIENCIES.
11:46:43AM AS FAR AS FUNDING SOURCES, SHORT TERM -- WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS
11:46:47AM A FEW WEEKS BACK -- SHORT-TERM FINANCING AND BONDING AS
11:46:51AM WELL.
11:46:51AM MOVING FORWARD, HERE IS THE LAYOUT OF THE SITE.
11:46:56AM WE HAVE OUR WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY TO THE NORTH AND THEN
11:46:58AM THE CURRENT IMPOUND LOT WHICH WAS JUST LOCATED, SO THAT'S
11:47:02AM SOUTH.
11:47:03AM YOU CAN SEE HOW OUR PLAN OVERLAYS ON TOP OF THAT SITE.
11:47:07AM NOW TO BREAK DOWN THE SPECIFIC AMENITIES, HAVE A NORTH SCALE
11:47:10AM HOUSE, WHICH WE WENT INTO DETAIL LAST COUNCIL MEETING WHICH
11:47:16AM I PRESENTED.
11:47:17AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR TAKING THE TOUR.
11:47:20AM THAT WILL TAKE ALL OF THE SOLID WASTE VEHICLES OUT OF THE
11:47:22AM CURRENT LINE AT THE SOUTH SCALE HOUSE AND MOVE THEM UP SO
11:47:26AM THAT GAINS EFFICIENCIES THERE AND SAFETY AS WELL SO WE CAN
11:47:29AM TAKE ALL THE LARGE VEHICLES OUT OF THE SAME TRAFFIC FLOW AS
11:47:33AM YOUR AVERAGE DAY CITIZEN TRYING TO DISPOSE.
11:47:35AM PARKING GARAGE FOR ALL THE BUSINESSES AND ALL THE OPERATIONS
11:47:41AM AND OPERATIONAL BUILDING AS WELL.
11:47:43AM TRUCK YARD WITH CNG, COMPRESSED NATURAL GAS.
11:47:49AM RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A FUELING YARD AT OUR SPRUCE STREET
11:47:51AM LOCATION.
11:47:51AM WE HAVE ROUGHLY 50 AND THIS LOCATION WILL HAVE 100.
11:47:56AM AND THIS DOES HELP WITH EFFICIENCIES AS WELL.
11:47:59AM IN THE MORNINGS, THERE ARE TIMES WHERE WE HAVE TO -- SINCE
11:48:02AM WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH CNG FILLING STATIONS, WE HAVE A
11:48:05AM QUICK-FILL STATION WHICH REALLY ONLY GIVES US THE AMOUNT OF
11:48:09AM GAS TO OPERATE FOR 75% OF THE DAY AND COME BACK AND REFILL.
11:48:13AM BUT IF WE WERE ON A SLOW FILL STATION WHICH ALL THE CNG
11:48:18AM FUELING STATIONS, GOOD TO GO FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE DAY.
11:48:21AM LIKE I MENTIONED, SOUTH SCALE.
11:48:23AM IMPROVING THAT SCALE HOUSE.
11:48:25AM ADDING TWO SCALES OR TWO ENTRANCE.
11:48:28AM WE HAVE ONE MORE INBOUND AND ONE OUTBOUND WITH THE OPTION OF
11:48:32AM FLIPPING THAT BACK AND FORTH GIVEN THE TRAFFIC AND SOLID
11:48:36AM WASTE FLEET CONTAINER MAINTENANCE SHOP AND AUTOMATED TRUCK
11:48:39AM WASHING FACILITY AND A GUARD SHACK.
11:48:45AM I KNOW THAT WAS QUICK.
11:48:46AM YOU MAY HAVE QUESTIONS SO I WANTED TO GO OVER THAT REALLY
11:48:49AM BRIEFLY AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO
11:48:52AM ADD.
11:48:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T HAVE A TON BECAUSE YOU HAVE EXPLAINED
11:48:56AM THIS A LOT, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT OPERATIONS AND MANAGEMENT
11:49:02AM EARLIER.
11:49:02AM SO WHEN YOU BRING THAT TO US IN OCTOBER, IT WOULD BE
11:49:05AM INTERESTING TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OUR CURRENT O AND
11:49:09AM M AND WHAT THE PROPOSED O AND M WOULD BE BECAUSE THERE IS O
11:49:13AM AND M.
11:49:14AM BUT IF YOU'RE CUTTING $300,000 IN OVERTIME, LIKE WHAT IS
11:49:20AM THAT GOING TO LOOK LIKE?
11:49:21AM I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO SEE HOW THAT WEIGHS OFF.
11:49:25AM OBVIOUSLY, WE ALREADY APPROVED THIS AND I'M JUST VERY
11:49:28AM EXCITED TO SEE THE CHANGES AND THE MODERNIZATION OF THIS.
11:49:34AM >> WONDERFUL.
11:49:34AM THANK YOU.
11:49:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE?
11:49:38AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:49:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR FINE
11:49:42AM PRESENTATION.
11:49:42AM I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU A QUESTION.
11:49:44AM I NEVER DISCUSSED IT WITH YOU, SO DON'T WANT TO CATCH YOU
11:49:47AM OFF GUARD.
11:49:48AM VEHICLE THAT PICKS UP THE TRUCK ITSELF, THE BIG TRUCK, I
11:49:51AM THINK THAT IS ABOUT $450,000 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, MAYBE
11:49:54AM 460.
11:49:55AM I'VE BEEN WONDERING WHAT IT WOULD COST TO GET ALL THE PARTS
11:50:00AM FROM SPRINGS TO NEW TIRES TO BRAKES, TAKE THE ENGINE OUT,
11:50:06AM RECONDITION THE ENGINE, THE TRANSMISSION IF NEEDED AND MAKE
11:50:09AM A TRUCK OUT OF THE OLD TRUCK LOOK NEW.
11:50:12AM I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE HALF THE COST OF A NEW TRUCK.
11:50:14AM THAT'S JUST ME TALKING TO YOU AND 5,000 PEOPLE LISTENING TO
11:50:18AM US TODAY. I KNOW IT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE.
11:50:21AM MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECT, TWO YOUNG INDIVIDUALS, 20 OR 25
11:50:24AM YEARS AGO, I SAW IT IN A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE, EITHER IN THE
11:50:28AM TAMPA TRIBUNE OR THE TIMES, THAT THEY DID THAT.
11:50:30AM AND IT WAS AN AMAZING THING.
11:50:32AM AS YOU WELL KNOW WHAT WE DID AND -- I DON'T HAVE A PICTURE
11:50:36AM OF THAT VEHICLE, BUT IT CAME TO MIND TODAY THAT I LEARNED
11:50:39AM SOMETHING FROM THOSE ACTIONS THAT WERE DONE WITH YOUR HELP.
11:50:42AM SO IS THERE ANY WAY YOU CAN GO I HAVE THIS GOVERNMENT, THIS
11:50:45AM CITY COUNCIL, THE MAYOR AND US A SCOPE IDEA OF WHAT I'M JUST
11:50:50AM ASKING, ALL THE HYDRAULICS, WHAT THAT COSTS TO REPLACE, ON A
11:50:54AM WHOLESALE VOLUME, NOT GOING TO DO JUST -- YOU KNOW WHAT I'M
11:50:58AM SAYING?
11:50:58AM I'M SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT.
11:51:01AM >> YES, I CAN REACH OUT TO FLEET AND SEE HOW MUCH THAT WOULD
11:51:04AM POTENTIALLY COST.
11:51:05AM I KNOW ONE THING, LET'S SAY WE HAVE DAMAGE TO A VEHICLE
11:51:08AM INSTEAD OF TRYING TO REPLACE THAT VEHICLE, WE'LL SCAVENGE
11:51:13AM FROM THE VEHICLES WE HAVE -- WE DO THAT CONSISTENTLY.
11:51:20AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THESE ARE IN THE THINGS IN MY MIND.
11:51:22AM SOMETHING THAT LOOKS NEW, THAT RUNS LIKE A NEW ONE, DON'T
11:51:27AM HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR AND A HALF OR LONGER.
11:51:30AM IF YOU CAN DO THAT IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.
11:51:35AM >> THANK YOU.
11:51:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, CLENDENIN AND
11:51:37AM CARLSON.
11:51:40AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
11:51:42AM REALLY, I WANT TO HAVE THE MIKE FOR A FEW MINUTES TO NOT
11:51:45AM NECESSARILY ADDRESS EVERYTHING THAT YOU PRESENTED.
11:51:47AM THIS, OF COURSE, IS A WONDERFUL IDEA TO HOUSE ALL OF OUR
11:51:52AM SOLID WASTE AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROJECTS OVER INTO ONE
11:51:54AM LOCATION.
11:51:56AM THE INTERESTING PART IS THAT WE'RE NOW LIVING IN A DIFFERENT
11:51:59AM TIME, AND SO THIS OPPORTUNITY I DON'T KNOW HISTORICALLY HOW
11:52:04AM IT CAME ABOUT, BUT THE FACILITY WHERE IT'S CURRENTLY
11:52:07AM LOCATED, OF COURSE, WAS BUILT IN CARVER CITY ALONG, PRIOR TO
11:52:11AM THAT THERE WAS ALSO THE STOCKADE, THE JAIL SYSTEM WAS THERE.
11:52:18AM TYPE OF LAND THAT WAS CONSIDERED, YES, BLACK FAMILIES CAN
11:52:22AM LIVE OVER HERE, AND WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A JAIL HOUSE HERE,
11:52:24AM AND YOU CAN PUT THE TRASH THERE, SO NOW THIS PARTICULAR 20
11:52:26AM ACRES OF LAND IS BECOMING AVAILABLE.
11:52:28AM SO THAT'S REALLY THE PUBLIC COMMENT I'M MAKING BECAUSE I
11:52:31AM KNOW THE PUBLIC LISTENS TO THESE MEETINGS AND THE FUTURE OF
11:52:34AM THAT LAND IS SIGNIFICANTLY IMPORTANT IN WHAT WE DO WITH IT.
11:52:37AM SO I JUST WANT TO CONSTANTLY SAY THAT AND REMIND EVERYONE
11:52:40AM THAT YOU'RE RIGHT.
11:52:42AM IT IS VALUABLE NOW.
11:52:45AM AND SO HOW WE LOOK AT THAT AND HOW WE DEAL WITH
11:52:48AM RECONCILIATION IS REALLY IMPORTANT, AND THAT LAND IS ALWAYS
11:52:52AM GOING TO BE AT THE FOREFRONT OF MY MIND WHEN WE HAVE THOSE
11:52:55AM CONVERSATIONS.
11:52:56AM IF YOU DO HAVE ANY BACKGROUND KNOWLEDGE, HISTORICAL
11:53:02AM KNOWLEDGE OF WHY NOW, IS IT BECAUSE THIS LAND IN CARVER CITY
11:53:06AM IS EXTREMELY VALUABLE THAT IT PUSHED US TO HAVE THIS PROJECT
11:53:12AM MOVE OVER INTO A DIFFERENT AREA, WHAT LED TO THIS
11:53:16AM HISTORICALLY, DO YOU KNOW?
11:53:17AM >> I CAN SAY THAT FROM THE SOLID WASTE PERSPECTIVE, WHAT LED
11:53:19AM TO THIS PROJECT WAS THE 2018 STUDY, THE MASTER PLAN AND
11:53:25AM MASTER PLAN DONE IN 2019 AS WELL TO SEE IF THERE WERE
11:53:28AM EFFICIENCIES THAT WILL BE GAINED WITH RELOCATING.
11:53:30AM SO THAT'S WHERE WE CAME IN.
11:53:31AM AND THAT'S WHEN I RECEIVED THE MARCHING ORDERS TO RELOCATE
11:53:35AM OUR FACILITIES FROM THIS SITE TO THE 34th STREET SITE.
11:53:40AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY.
11:53:41AM THAT'S GOD.
11:53:41AM IT CLEARLY IS GOING TO BE EFFICIENT AND NOW THAT YOU'VE
11:53:45AM BROKEN DOWN A WHILE AGO AND HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE AN
11:53:48AM ENTERPRISE ZONE, I THINK WE'LL SEE THE BENEFITS OF THAT AS
11:53:53AM WELL BECAUSE OF THIS NEW EFFICIENCY IN SAVING NOT ONLY JUST
11:53:58AM IN OVERTIME, BUT GASOLINE COSTS WHICH IS VERY SIGNIFICANT.
11:54:04AM WOULD IT REDUCE ANY OF OUR HUMAN CAPITAL BY HAVING US BE IN
11:54:14AM THIS ONE LOCATION?
11:54:16AM >> RIGHT NOW, WE'RE CURRENTLY STRUCTURED IN THE DEPARTMENT
11:54:20AM TO DO SO.
11:54:20AM SO THIS YEAR, WE HAVEN'T ASKED FOR ANY ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL
11:54:24AM TO ACCOMMODATE THE INCREASE OF WASTE THAT'S BEING GENERATED
11:54:27AM BY THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:54:28AM SO THAT'S ONE WAY THAT WE HAVE BEEN MORE EFFICIENT WITH
11:54:31AM MANAGING OUR PEOPLE.
11:54:33AM AND THEN WITH POSITIONS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, IF WE REVIEW
11:54:36AM SOMETHING, LIKE, LET'S SAY YARD WASTE PROGRAM OR SINCE WE
11:54:39AM HAVE SOME EFFICIENCIES BASED ON THAT PROGRAM ITSELF OR THE
11:54:43AM AUTOMATED COLLECTION DRIVERS, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO REPURPOSE
11:54:48AM THE POSITIONS VERSUS ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL POSITIONS MOVING
11:54:50AM FORWARD.
11:54:50AM WE HAVE DONE THAT ALREADY.
11:54:54AM I BELIEVE IT WILL.
11:54:56AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
11:54:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, CARLSON,
11:54:58AM VIERA.
11:55:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS IS AS CLOSE TO A NO-BRAINER THAT YOU
11:55:03AM CAN GET.
11:55:04AM CLEARLY, GOOD SEGUE FROM THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATION ABOUT
11:55:07AM PROPERTY VALUES AND BEST USE OF PROPERTY BECAUSE WE'RE GOING
11:55:10AM FROM SOME PROPERTY THAT'S NOT THE BEST USE OF PROPERTY,
11:55:13AM FREEING THAT UP FOR THE BEST AND HIGHEST USE TO AN AREA.
11:55:17AM I THINK YOUR CONSOLIDATION -- I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT OUR
11:55:20AM SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT, THE EFFICIENCIES AND WHAT YOU ALL
11:55:24AM DO.
11:55:25AM I THINK YOU DO A TREMENDOUS JOB, APPLAUD YOUR EFFORTS AND
11:55:28AM CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THIS RELOCATION BECAUSE THIS IS GOOD FOR
11:55:31AM THE CITY, GOOD FOR THE TAXPAYERS AND WELL DONE.
11:55:33AM IT'S KIND OF OFF TOPIC BUT KIND OF ON TOPIC BECAUSE YOU
11:55:39AM HIGHLIGHTED THE FUELING STATIONS.
11:55:40AM I HAVE A LITTLE PET PEEVE.
11:55:41AM AND THIS IS PROBABLY SOMETHING TO PUT IN MS. DUNCAN'S HEAD.
11:55:47AM MAYBE THIS IS NOT THE PLACE BECAUSE OF THE MIX OF THE TYPE
11:55:50AM OF VEHICLES AND ALL.
11:55:51AM BUT THE FUELING STATION THAT WE HAVE IN LOWRY PARK, WE NEED
11:55:54AM TO FIND PLACES TO RELOCATE THAT.
11:55:55AM AS WE'RE CONSTRUCTING THESE THINGS, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A
11:55:59AM WAY OF CONSOLIDATING PEOPLE AND GET THAT OUT OF LOWRY PARK.
11:56:02AM WHENEVER WE HAVE THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS AND WE CAN FIND A
11:56:05AM WAY TO FACILITATE THAT, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO GET THAT, AS
11:56:11AM THAT HIGHER LEVEL LOOK AND SEE IF WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT
11:56:16AM FUELING FUNCTION THAT PROVIDES FUEL FOR OTHER PARTS OF THE
11:56:20AM CITY IN THESE NEW PROJECTS.
11:56:21AM THANK YOU.
11:56:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND VIERA.
11:56:23AM >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST WANT TO ADD TO THE THANKS.
11:56:26AM YOU COME BEFORE US ALL THE TIME AND BRIEF US AND THE PUBLIC.
11:56:30AM I'M SURE THE PUBLIC APPRECIATES THAT.
11:56:32AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOROUGHNESS AND TRANSPARENCY.
11:56:35AM TO COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON'S COMMENT ABOUT THE SPRUCE
11:56:41AM STREET SPOT, NOT THIS WESTSHORE ALLIANCE DIRECTOR, BUT THE
11:56:47AM ONE PREVIOUSLY, WAS PUSHING HARD TO CONNECT WESTSHORE AND
11:56:53AM DALE MABRY.
11:56:53AM THEY CAN BRIEF YOU ON IT, BUT THEY WERE HEAVILY PROMOTING IN
11:56:59AM THE BUSINESS DISTRICT IN WESTSHORE THAT THIS WOULD BE THE
11:57:01AM MAIN BUSINESS CORRIDOR THAT WOULD GO BETWEEN THE TWO.
11:57:04AM IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU MIGHT HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS.
11:57:09AM YOU MIGHT WANT TO ENGAGE THE WESTSHORE ALLIANCE --
11:57:12AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION.
11:57:14AM THEY KNOW EXACTLY HOW I FEEL, BUT THANK YOU.
11:57:16AM >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, THE SOLID WASTE
11:57:19AM MAY HAVE THEIR OPINION ON WHY THEY ARE MOVING THAT FACILITY,
11:57:22AM BUT I KNOW THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY WAS PUSHING REALLY HARD AS
11:57:25AM WELL.
11:57:25AM THE OTHER THING IS THAT MY CONCERN ABOUT THIS PROJECT WAS
11:57:30AM THE BONDING AND THE DEBT COST.
11:57:32AM I THINK JUST LIKE WITH THE REST OF THEM, IF WE PRESENT THE
11:57:35AM COST, WE OUGHT TO PRESENT THE TOTAL COST, INCLUDING INTEREST
11:57:38AM AND O AND M OVER 30 YEARS.
11:57:41AM IT'S JUST A CONSISTENT WAY TO DO IT.
11:57:42AM THE PRIVATE SECTOR DOES THAT.
11:57:44AM I DON'T KNOW WHY THE CITY HASN'T DONE IT.
11:57:46AM IT IS JUST AN HONEST WAY OF LETTING THE CITY LOOK, THE
11:57:49AM PUBLIC LOOK AT IT, NOT THAT YOU'VE BEEN DISHONEST, BUT JUST
11:57:52AM A MORE THOROUGH WAY OF DOING IT.
11:57:55AM MY CONCERN WOULD BE ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS LIKE HANNA
11:57:57AM AVENUE, WE'VE SEEN MASSIVE COST ESCALATIONS.
11:58:01AM AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE MASSIVE COST
11:58:04AM ESCALATIONS ON THIS ALSO.
11:58:07AM AND IF YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, THEN BRING PEOPLE
11:58:12AM BEFORE US QUICKLY, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S GOING TO RESULT IN
11:58:14AM DEBT OR MOVING MONEY AROUND FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE OR WORSE,
11:58:18AM INCREASING FEES.
11:58:19AM THE OTHER THING, ON THE POSITIVE SIDE YOU AND COUNCIL MEMBER
11:58:26AM MIRANDA WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SAVINGS IN OVERTIME, TALKING
11:58:29AM ABOUT THE SAVINGS IN DRIVE TIME AND ALL THAT.
11:58:32AM THERE'S GOT TO BE MAYBE OUR BUDGET DIRECTOR OR THE CITY
11:58:35AM BUDGET FOLKS CAN HELP YOU.
11:58:36AM BUT AT THE SAME TIME AS YOU MIGHT LIST ALL THE TOTAL COSTS,
11:58:41AM NOT JUST THE CAPITAL COSTS ON THIS, THERE MUST BE A WAY OF
11:58:45AM CALCULATING THAT SAVINGS.
11:58:46AM SO IF YOU HAD O AND M OVER 30 YEARS, BUT THEN YOU HAD
11:58:50AM HOWEVER MANY HOURS OF OVERTIME TALKED ABOUT AND CALCULATED
11:58:53AM THAT OVER 30 YEARS, THAT IS A HUGE NUMBER ALSO.
11:58:56AM SO I THINK IT JUST HELPS THE PUBLIC TO SEE THAT WE'RE BEING
11:59:01AM THOROUGH ABOUT LOOKING AT ALL THE NUMBERS.
11:59:04AM AND IN THIS CASE, YOU COULD OFFSET THE COST WITH SOME
11:59:07AM SAVINGS.
11:59:08AM THANK YOU.
11:59:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:59:10AM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
11:59:11AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, AND THANK YOU AGAIN
11:59:13AM FOR THE PRESENTATION.
11:59:14AM I WANTED TO JUST BUILD ON OR TALK ABOUT COUNCILWOMAN
11:59:19AM HENDERSON'S COMMENTS.
11:59:21AM I THINK THAT LOOKING AT THIS ISSUE THROUGH THE LENS THAT SHE
11:59:24AM TALKED ABOUT IS SOMETHING THAT I SUPPORT, ONE OF
11:59:28AM RECONCILIATION.
11:59:29AM AND COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT ANY
11:59:33AM THOUGHTS YOU HAVE ON THINGS THAT WE COULD ACT ON BECAUSE I
11:59:37AM DO SHARE YOUR SENTIMENTS, WHICH IS THAT GIVEN THE ORIGIN OF
11:59:41AM THIS COMMUNITY AND WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT IT AND JUST THE
11:59:44AM PROTECTION OF CARVER CITY AND WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
11:59:47AM HISTORICAL INTEGRITY OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS PROTECTED.
11:59:51AM I JUST SHARE YOUR SENSE OF URGENCY ON IT.
11:59:54AM I SHARE THE LENS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THROUGH
11:59:57AM RECONCILIATION, THROUGH EQUITY AND MORE THAN ANYTHING
12:00:00PM REALLY, RESPECT.
12:00:02PM R-E-S-P-E-C-T.
12:00:04PM I THINK THAT IS THE MAIN THING.
12:00:06PM I WANTED TO COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR REMARKS AND LET US KNOW HOW
12:00:09PM WE CAN HELP BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT NOTE.
12:00:11PM THANK YOU.
12:00:12PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AS WELL AS
12:00:14PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S.
12:00:15PM IN THESE TYPE OF ENVIRONMENTS, WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THE
12:00:19PM WESTSHORE ALLIANCE, THE WESTSHORE ALLIANCE AND THEY NEVER
12:00:22PM REALLY CONSIDERED CARVER CITY AND JEFFERSON AS A PART OF
12:00:26PM THAT.
12:00:26PM IN FACT, THE TEACHERS, THE WESTSHORE ALLIANCE WAS FORMED AND
12:00:31PM THEY IDENTIFIED THAT IN RELATION TO CHILDREN ATTENDING
12:00:35PM ROLAND PARK, JEFFERSON STUDENTS WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THAT.
12:00:41PM THAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING THAT CARVER CITY COULD NO LONGER
12:00:44PM ATTEND ROLAND PARK AND THE TEACHERS WHO WORKED AT JEFFERSON,
12:00:47PM THEIR CHILDREN COULD NOT GO TO WORK -- COULD NOT ATTEND
12:00:50PM ROLAND PARK.
12:00:52PM SO NOW THE WORD JUST WESTSHORE ALLIANCE DOESN'T MAKE ANY
12:00:57PM SENSE TO ME AS IT RELATES TO THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE THAT
12:01:00PM MEANS THEY HAVE JUMPED OVER CARVER CITY FOR A 19-ACRE
12:01:04PM PROPERTY OF LAND THAT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN IN TERMS OF
12:01:08PM ROUNDING OUT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
12:01:10PM THIS IS THE TIME TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE
12:01:12PM THE SAME THING WILL HAPPEN JUST LIKE WITH THE YELLOW
12:01:15PM JACKETS.
12:01:16PM HAD TO HAVE THE DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND REC COME AND SAY, NO,
12:01:20PM THIS LAND NOW BELONGS TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF WEST RIVER.
12:01:24PM SO THAT'S AFTER THE FACT.
12:01:26PM THE COMMUNITY IS UPSET BECAUSE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY
12:01:30PM SOMETHING IS HAPPENING.
12:01:31PM SO THIS IS THE EARLY ONSET OF IT BECAUSE THE LAND BELONGS TO
12:01:35PM THE CITY OF TAMPA.
12:01:38PM THAT'S WHAT IS SO GOOD ABOUT THIS.
12:01:40PM THE LAND BELONGS TO THE CITY OF TAMPA AND RACIAL
12:01:44PM RECONCILIATION IS AT THE FOREFRONT OF THIS COMMUNITY AND
12:01:48PM IT'S GOING TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO FACE IT WITH LAND
12:01:52PM BECAUSE LAND IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ASSET THAT EXISTS IN OUR
12:01:57PM COMMUNITY.
12:01:57PM SO THAT'S WHY I AM GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT, EVEN AS A
12:02:02PM SPIN-OFF TO WHATEVER WE'RE DISCUSSING, EVEN IF IT'S SOLID
12:02:07PM WASTE.
12:02:08PM BECAUSE THE WESTSHORE ALLIANCE IS A VERY POWERFUL AND
12:02:12PM NON-DIVERSE ENTITY, AND WHEN THEY MET WITH ME, WHAT WAS SO
12:02:16PM INTERESTING, THEY NEVER MENTIONED CARVER CITY.
12:02:18PM THEY TALKED ABOUT THE RESIDENTS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF
12:02:20PM WESTSHORE.
12:02:21PM THEY JUST DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE COUNCILWOMAN GREW UP IN THAT
12:02:24PM AREA.
12:02:25PM I HAD TO SAY TO THEM, HAVE YOU REACHED OUT TO THE CARVER
12:02:27PM CITY COMMUNITY?
12:02:29PM THAT BEING -- THAT TYPE OF EXCLUSION PUTS US IN A POSITION
12:02:35PM WHERE IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO SAY SOMETHING AND SHED
12:02:38PM LIGHT ON THESE ISSUES BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SEAT AT
12:02:41PM THE TABLE IN MAKING DECISIONS AS TO WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT
12:02:44PM PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
12:02:45PM BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, AND THANK YOU BOTH FOR
12:02:48PM YOUR COMMENTS.
12:02:48PM I APPRECIATE IT.
12:02:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:02:50PM THANK YOU, MR. WASHINGTON.
12:02:51PM >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU FOR THE SUPPORT OF
12:02:53PM THIS PROJECT AND THE SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT AS A WHOLE.
12:02:56PM TRULY APPRECIATE IT.
12:02:57PM I WILL NOW TURN IT OVER TO THE PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR, MR.
12:03:01PM TONY MULKEY.
12:03:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:03:02PM GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR.
12:03:04PM IT'S 12:00.
12:03:06PM DOES COUNCIL WISH TO STOP FOR LUNCH OR CONTINUE THROUGH THE
12:03:10PM AGENDA?
12:03:11PM FINE WITH ME.
12:03:18PM LET'S KEEP IT GOING.
12:03:20PM >>TONY MULKEY: TONY MULKEY, PARKS AND RECREATION.
12:03:23PM PLEASED TO APPEAR BEFORE YOU TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON A
12:03:26PM PROJECT THAT HAS A LOT OF ATTENTION AND WE HAVEN'T PROVIDED
12:03:31PM ONE FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
12:03:32PM I DO HAVE SOME NEWS ON THE RIVERCREST WATERFRONT
12:03:35PM IMPROVEMENTS IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
12:03:38PM THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WAS FUNDED IN FISCAL YEAR 2022
12:03:42PM THROUGH CIT AND OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT BUDGET.
12:03:46PM RFQ FOR DESIGN-BUILD WENT OUT IN EARLY 2022 WITH THE AWARD
12:03:56PM COMING BEFORE AND APPROVED BY COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER OF 2022.
12:03:59PM SINCE THEN, THE PROJECT HAS HAD A COUPLE OF CHALLENGES WITH
12:03:59PM ESCALATING COSTS, BUT WE HAVE STRIVED TO KEEP IT WITHIN
12:04:09PM BUDGET AND WORK WITH THE CONTRACTORS ON THAT DYNAMIC.
12:04:13PM THIS IS NOT ONLY AN IMPORTANT NEIGHBORHOOD PARK IMPROVEMENT,
12:04:17PM BUT IT'S GOING TO ADD TO THE CONNECTIVITY THROUGH OUR TRAILS
12:04:20PM PROGRAM.
12:04:21PM WE OFTEN THINK OF TRAILS AS BEING LIKE PADS AND THINGS ON
12:04:26PM LAND BUT ALSO OUR BLUE WAYS WHERE WE CAN CONNECT DIFFERENT
12:04:30PM NEIGHBORHOODS ON THE RIVER THROUGH PADDLE SPORTS AND
12:04:35PM BOATING.
12:04:35PM THIS PARK PROJECT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO PROVIDE FOR A 40-FOOT
12:04:41PM PIER THAT GOES OUT INTO THE RIVER AND APPROXIMATELY 300-FOOT
12:04:45PM OF SEAWALL IMPROVEMENTS.
12:04:48PM CURRENTLY, THERE IS A FAILING SEAWALL OUT ON THE SITE THAT
12:04:50PM IS GOING TO BE NATURALIZED AND SOFTENED TO HELP BETTER
12:04:54PM ACCOMMODATE STORM SURGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT ALONG THE
12:04:57PM RIVER.
12:04:58PM IT'S ALSO GOING TO HAVE A BOAT LAUNCH, A PADDLE BOAT TYPE OF
12:05:03PM DOCK SYSTEM, ADA COMPLIANT, AS WELL AS A PLATFORM OF DOCK
12:05:08PM SPACE THAT CAN BE USED FOR GATHERINGS AND FISHING AND THINGS
12:05:12PM LIKE THAT WITH A COVERING.
12:05:13PM SO WE'RE INCORPORATING SOME SHADE CONNECTING TO THE EXISTING
12:05:17PM TRAIL SYSTEM OUT THERE AND MAKING LIGHTING IMPROVEMENTS
12:05:20PM THROUGH SOLAR LIGHTING AS WE HAVE DONE IN SEVERAL OTHER
12:05:23PM PARKS.
12:05:23PM CURRENT STATUS, THE PROJECT HAS TAKEN A LONG TIME TO GET OFF
12:05:28PM THE GROUND AND WE UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION OF THE
12:05:31PM COMMUNITY.
12:05:31PM RECENTLY, THE COMMUNITY HOPEFULLY HAS NOTICED THAT WE'VE
12:05:34PM TAKEN DOWN THE FENCING THAT WAS OUT THERE ALONG THE RIVER.
12:05:37PM IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, THEY ARE GOING TO SEE SOME
12:05:39PM IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE OVERGROWTH AND SOME OF THE CONDITIONS
12:05:41PM ALONG THE WATER LINE PRIOR TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ACTUAL
12:05:46PM PROJECT.
12:05:46PM SO WE'RE DOING SOME OF THAT IN-HOUSE RIGHT NOW.
12:05:48PM THE PROJECT IS ACTUALLY COMING IN FOR A LANDING WITH THE
12:05:52PM DESIGN PHASE.
12:05:53PM WE HAD TO CLEAR SOME DETAILS WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASPECTS
12:05:57PM BEING ON THE WATER, NEW CONSTRUCTION, SOME SURVEYS, BUT ALL
12:06:00PM THAT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO
12:06:04PM BRINGING A GMP BEFORE COUNCIL VERY SOON TO INITIATE THE
12:06:07PM CONSTRUCTION PORTION OF THIS PROJECT.
12:06:09PM AGAIN, TOTAL COST, STILL AT $1.1 MILLION AS BUDGETED, AND
12:06:14PM I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
12:06:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
12:06:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE SO WE CAN SEE
12:06:19PM THAT?
12:06:19PM SO A COUPLE OF THINGS.
12:06:24PM THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN WAITING YEARS FOR THIS PROJECT.
12:06:27PM YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.
12:06:28PM WILL THIS TRAIL ACCESS CONNECT TO THE PARK THAT IS NORTH OF
12:06:35PM THAT SOMEHOW?
12:06:37PM >> IN THE SCOPE OF THIS CURRENT IMPROVEMENT, IT DOESN'T HAVE
12:06:41PM THAT CONNECTION, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ALWAYS PROVIDE IN
12:06:44PM CONSIDERATION.
12:06:44PM I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THE MASTER TRAIL WAY PLAN IS.
12:06:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S EMILY THAT YOU CAN
12:06:50PM GO DOWN NORTH BOULEVARD TO EMILY TO GET INTO.
12:06:54PM I WANT TO CALL IT RING PARK AND THAT'S NOT CORRECT.
12:06:57PM IT ESCAPES ME THE NAME OF THAT.
12:06:59PM BUT IT IS A HUGE PARK THAT HAS A LOT OF RIVERFRONT ACCESS.
12:07:04PM SO IT'S REALLY, WOULD BE A NICE THING IF TALKING ABOUT A
12:07:09PM TRAIL ADDITION.
12:07:09PM MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET BACK THERE.
12:07:12PM IT IS HIDDEN.
12:07:14PM IT'S RIGHT WHERE KEEPING TAMPA BAY BEAUTIFUL IS.
12:07:16PM IT'S GOT THIS REALLY TINY LITTLE CORRIDOR THAT YOU CAN GO
12:07:21PM DOWN TO GET INTO THE PARK, ANYWAY.
12:07:24PM AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION OR MY OTHER THING THAT I'M
12:07:27PM DISAPPOINTED ABOUT THIS PROJECT BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING
12:07:30PM THE COMMUNITY HAS TALKED ABOUT OVER AND OVER AGAIN IS THAT
12:07:33PM THEY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE ABILITY IN THE FUTURE FOR THIS
12:07:40PM TO BE A PLACE FOR THE PIRATE TAXI TO BE ABLE TO STOP.
12:07:42PM FOR YOU TO NOT HAVE BUILT IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO HAVE THAT
12:07:45PM AS A POSSIBILITY GOING FORWARD IS A REAL DISAPPOINTMENT.
12:07:48PM I KNOW THAT THE ARGUMENT IS THERE IS NO PARKING FOR IT, BUT
12:07:53PM THAT'S NOT WHAT THE POINT.
12:07:54PM THE POINT WAS TO BE AN ACCESS FOR THE COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE
12:07:57PM TO WALK TO GET TO THE PIRATE -- THERE IS A HUGE GAP BETWEEN
12:08:01PM WHERE THAT PIRATE TAXI IS PLANNING TO GO WITH THE EXPANSION
12:08:04PM OF ZOO TAMPA AND THERE IS A HUGE GAP THERE.
12:08:08PM I THINK THE NEXT PLACE WOULD BE RICKS ON THE RIVER.
12:08:11PM SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT PUBLIC SPACES WHERE WE CAN HAVE --
12:08:17PM WHEN WE'RE THINKING WHAT THAT WATER TAXI CAN BE, TEN YEARS
12:08:21PM FROM NOW, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE HERE TO MAKE
12:08:24PM THAT DOABLE, WE'RE JUST -- I MEAN, THE COSTS ARE GOING TO DO
12:08:28PM NOTHING BUT RISE.
12:08:29PM I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING THAT AND
12:08:32PM BUILDING THAT IN, EVEN IF WE CAN'T HAVE IT NOW, BUT FOR THE
12:08:35PM GOAL OF HAVING IT IN THE FUTURE.
12:08:37PM >> TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE POINTS, THE PIRATE WATER TAXI IS
12:08:41PM A PRIVATE ENTITY, AND WE'VE WORKED WELL WITH THE OWNERSHIP
12:08:45PM OVER THERE AND HE'S ACTUALLY BUILT SOME OF THE
12:08:48PM INFRASTRUCTURE THAT YOU SEE THAT THEY SERVICE, AND THAT WILL
12:08:50PM BE A CONVERSATION ON THAT TO DO THAT.
12:08:53PM I KNOW ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH THEM COMING UP THE RIVER
12:08:56PM WAS THE HEIGHT OF THE BOATS AND SOME OF THE BRIDGES, BUT I
12:08:58PM KNOW THEY HAVE VESSELS NOW THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT,
12:09:02PM ESPECIALLY WITH THE PLANNING FOR LOWRY PARK AND SUCH.
12:09:04PM IT WILL BE A CONTINUING CONVERSATION ON THIS.
12:09:06PM IT'S ON OUR RADAR.
12:09:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK
12:09:10PM SAID, BECAUSE IN THAT PARK, IF IT IS A PARKING ISSUE, I'VE
12:09:13PM BEEN TO SO MANY EVENTS AND PEOPLE WALK THERE, WITH THE
12:09:16PM EXCEPTION I HAVE TO DRIVE THERE, BUT ITS RESIDENTS THAT JUST
12:09:17PM WALK OVER, WHETHER IT'S A PICNIC, AN EASTER EVENT, WHATEVER
12:09:24PM IT IS, AND IT'S FULL OF PEOPLE.
12:09:25PM SO I THINK, REGARDLESS OF THE PARKING SITUATION, THE DENSITY
12:09:25PM IS THERE THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, WOULD SERVE THE RIDERSHIP
12:09:34PM THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT, WHERE IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE A PIRATE
12:09:37PM WATER TAXI STOP.
12:09:38PM IT'S ANOTHER CONNECTOR TO DOWNTOWN AND THE RIVERWALK AND
12:09:44PM EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN A BIGGER VISION.
12:09:46PM ANYBODY ELSE?
12:09:48PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
12:09:49PM >> THANK YOU.
12:09:49PM I WILL HAND IT OFF TO ERIC WEISS WITH WASTEWATER.
12:09:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I BELIEVE YOU ARE THE LAST SECTION,
12:09:56PM CORRECT?
12:09:57PM >> ONE MORE AFTER ME.
12:09:58PM I'LL BE QUICK.
12:10:02PM >>ERIC WEISS: ERIC WEISS, WASTE WATER DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR,
12:10:07PM HERE TO UPDATE THE MASTER PLAN AT THE HOWARD F. CURREN
12:10:12PM ADVANCED WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
12:10:16PM SINCE THE START OF THE PIPES PROGRAM, 18 DIFFERENT PROJECTS
12:10:16PM HAVE BEEN AWARDED BY COUNCIL AT THE FACILITY, $278 MILLION.
12:10:19PM WANT TO HIGHLIGHT ONE OF THOSE THAT'S ONGOING.
12:10:21PM IT'S CALLED THE PUMPING STATION.
12:10:25PM AN HPO REACTOR MODIFICATION PROJECT.
12:10:28PM BIG NAME.
12:10:30PM WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS IS PART OF OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT
12:10:33PM PLAN THAT TAKES OUT THE ORGANICS FROM THE WASTEWATER, WHICH
12:10:36PM WE CALL CARBON, IS DONE.
12:10:37PM THIS PROJECT REALLY, I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT TWO THINGS.
12:10:43PM ONE, SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCY ASPECT TO IT.
12:10:47PM WHEN THIS FACILITY WAS BUILT IN THE 1970s, IT WAS STANDARD
12:10:51PM ENGINEERING PRACTICE TO PUT ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT IN
12:10:55PM BASEMENTS ONE OR TWO STORIES BELOW GRADE WITH INCREASED
12:10:58PM ACTIVITY OF HURRICANES AND CLIMATE CHANGE, IF WE FLOOD
12:11:02PM THERE, IT WOULD DAMAGE ALL THE EQUIPMENT AT THAT FACILITY.
12:11:07PM SO THE EQUIPMENT NEEDED TO BE REPLACED.
12:11:10PM PART OF THIS FACILITY, PUTTING IT TWO OR THREE FEET
12:11:13PM ABOVEGROUND.
12:11:14PM THE OTHER THING I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT ABOUT THE PROJECT, WE'RE
12:11:18PM ABOUT SIX MONTHS EARLY.
12:11:20PM WE'RE GOING TO FINISH ABOUT SIX MONTHS EARLY.
12:11:23PM AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS EARLY IN THE DESIGN PROCESS, YOU
12:11:26PM GUYS APPROVED AN EQUIPMENT PURCHASE DURING THE DESIGN PHASE
12:11:29PM OF ALL THE ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT BECAUSE THAT CAN TAKE TWO
12:11:33PM YEARS TO GET HERE.
12:11:35PM IT ACTUALLY CAME IN EARLY RIGHT WHEN WE WERE STARTING
12:11:38PM CONSTRUCTION, SO OUR CONTRACTOR WAS ABLE TO REDO THE
12:11:40PM SCHEDULE TO DO A BUNCH OF CONCURRENT ACTIVITIES.
12:11:43PM SO WE'RE LOOKING TO BE COMPLETE WITH THAT PROJECT A YEAR
12:11:47PM FROM NOW.
12:11:47PM THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
12:11:51PM ANY QUESTIONS?
12:11:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS?
12:11:52PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
12:11:54PM AHEAD OF SCHEDULE AND AHEAD OF EVERYBODY ELSE.
12:12:01PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, RORY JONES WITH THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
12:12:03PM GIVE YOU A BRIEF UPDATE ON A PROJECT YOU APPROVED BACK IN
12:12:08PM DECEMBER.
12:12:08PM THIS WAS THE DAVID L. TIPPIN WATER TREATMENT FACILITY FILTER
12:12:12PM IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT.
12:12:13PM I'M NOT SEEING OUR PRESENTATION.
12:12:19PM THIS WAS A HIGH PRIORITY PROJECT THAT WAS FUNDED BY OUR
12:12:27PM PIPES PROGRAM.
12:12:30PM IT'S PART OF THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN.
12:12:32PM IT REALLY ADDS REDUNDANCY AND EFFICIENCY BY ADDING
12:12:36PM ADDITIONAL FILTERS.
12:12:37PM IT ADDS SURGE TANKS.
12:12:39PM GIVES US THE ABILITY TO TAKE DOWN EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.
12:12:42PM THIS WILL INCREASE OUR CAPACITY BY 20 MGD.
12:12:45PM AND IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT.
12:12:47PM $115 MILLION THAT WE DID VALUE ENGINEER TO KEEP COSTS LOW
12:12:55PM THAT RESULTED IN $13 MILLION SAVINGS.
12:12:57PM WE FOLLOWED KIND OF THE SAME MODEL ERIC DID, PULL OUT EARLY
12:13:05PM PROCUREMENT ITEMS, PURCHASE THOSE TO KEEP US AHEAD OF
12:13:08PM SCHEDULE.
12:13:08PM THAT WAS A DIRECT OWNER PURCHASE AS WELL SO WE WERE ABLE TO
12:13:11PM SAVE ON THE TAXES ON THAT.
12:13:13PM RIGHT NOW WE ARE EXPECTED TO BE A LITTLE SHORT OF A MILLION
12:13:17PM DOLLARS IN SAVINGS AND JUST US PURCHASING THOSE ITEMS AS
12:13:21PM WELL.
12:13:21PM ANOTHER SUCCESS TO THIS IS THE EBO GOAL WAS SHATTERED HERE.
12:13:27PM WE HAD A SIGNIFICANT GOAL.
12:13:30PM I BELIEVE IT WAS 8.
12:13:34PM LET ME MAKE SURE I'VE GOT THIS RIGHT.
12:13:36PM BBE GOAL OF 11% WHICH CAME IN AT 17%.
12:13:41PM 8% GOAL ON WBE, AND THAT RESULTED IN A 10%.
12:13:47PM OF THIS $115 MILLION, 31 MILLION OF THAT IS GOING TO
12:13:53PM CERTIFIED FIRMS AT LEAST, AT MINIMUM.
12:13:56PM SO WHERE ARE WE TODAY?
12:13:57PM WE FINISHED THE DESIGN.
12:14:00PM WE MOVED TO THE CONSTRUCTION.
12:14:03PM AND A COUPLE OF YOU MAY HAVE VIRTUALLY WALKED THROUGH THESE
12:14:06PM 3D DESIGNS AS WELL.
12:14:07PM WE'RE ABLE TO PUT ON THESE VIRTUAL GOGGLES AND WALK THROUGH
12:14:12PM THE DESIGN ITSELF.
12:14:13PM WE ARE CURRENTLY OUT ON-SITE.
12:14:16PM IT'S REALLY JUST EARTH WORK, MOVING EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE
12:14:20PM CONFLICTS AND REALLY CLEARING THE SITE TO BEGIN TO GO
12:14:25PM VERTICAL.
12:14:26PM WE'LL HAVE SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION DONE IN 2027.
12:14:31PM SO WE'LL GET SOME BENEFICIAL USE IN A COUPLE OF YEARS.
12:14:34PM ULTIMATELY FINAL PUNCH LIST CLOSEOUT IS EARLY 2028.
12:14:41PM ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS?
12:14:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS?
12:14:43PM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
12:14:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, NO QUESTION.
12:14:46PM I FIND IT VERY, VERY INTELLIGENT.
12:14:49PM DOING FANTASTIC JOB JUST LIKE YOURSELF AND BRAD AND OTHERS
12:14:52PM THAT LED THE WATER DEPARTMENT IN THE PAST.
12:14:54PM WHEN I LOOKED AT YOUR PROJECTIONS OF WHAT YOU CAN PRODUCE,
12:14:59PM 120 TO 140 MILLION GALLONS A DAY ONCE IT'S COMPLETE AND
12:15:02PM EVERYTHING ELSE IS ONLY ONE LITTLE FACTOR THAT'S MISSING.
12:15:05PM THAT BY LAW WE CAN ONLY PRODUCE 82 MILLION GALLONS A DAY
12:15:09PM AVERAGE.
12:15:09PM SO WHAT I'M ASKING IS, WHEN DID THAT -- I KNOW I'M NOT
12:15:13PM TRYING TO GET YOU BLINDSIDED.
12:15:15PM WE HAVE NEVER TALKED ABOUT THIS.
12:15:17PM WHAT WAS THE 82 MILLION GALLONS ESTABLISHED AND WHAT WAS THE
12:15:20PM POPULATION THEN AND WHAT'S THE POPULATION NOW AND WHAT'S IT
12:15:24PM GOING TO BE IN 2050?
12:15:25PM THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, WE'LL BE DRINKING SAND BECAUSE THEY
12:15:29PM ARE NOT GOING TO LET US DO THAT.
12:15:31PM IT IS A SHAME THAT WE'LL LOSE MORE THAN LIKELY OUR ABILITY
12:15:34PM TO GOVERN OURSELVES, ONE OF THE FINEST WATER DISTRIBUTION
12:15:37PM AND MANUFACTURERS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA OR IN THE NATION.
12:15:42PM I'M LOOKING AT MYSELF, LOOKING AT 2038, THE CONTRACT THAT
12:15:45PM NEVER ENDS BECAUSE, YOU OWE MONEY, YOU CAN'T LEAVE.
12:15:51PM ALL THESE THINGS COME INTO MY MIND.
12:15:53PM HOW MUCH MONEY WE PUT IN TO SEND UP NORTH THROUGH
12:15:58PM S.W.F.W.M.D. AND HOW MUCH MONEY GET BACK IN RETURN ON WATER.
12:16:01PM USED TO BE WATER AND SEWER, NOW ONLY WATER.
12:16:03PM ALL THOSE THINGS CALCULATING IN MY MIND.
12:16:05PM SPEAKING ABOUT WHAT WE SPOKE ABOUT, I THINK THE NUMBER COMES
12:16:08PM OUT 628 MILLION, THE NEED WE NEED FOR THE CITY.
12:16:11PM I KNOW PART OF THAT IS FROM THE PIPES PROGRAM.
12:16:15PM YOURS AND THE SPEAKER BEFORE YOU.
12:16:16PM I'M THINKING TO MYSELF, HOW DO WE SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS?
12:16:22PM >> IT'S DIFFICULT.
12:16:23PM RIGHT NOW IT'S CONSERVATION.
12:16:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THIS IS A NEW TECHNOLOGY.
12:16:28PM THE SYSTEM WORKS BETTER, NOT ONLY IN DISTRIBUTION AND PIPES,
12:16:32PM EVERYTHING WILL BE NEW.
12:16:35PM REFUSE TO ENERGY IS GOING TO BE FINE AND HOWARD CURREN PLANT
12:16:38PM AND THESE ARE THINGS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN TOUCHED IN MANY
12:16:41PM YEARS.
12:16:41PM NO UPGRADE TO THIS, IT NEVER HAPPENED.
12:16:43PM THAT'S WHAT THE CITIZENS SAY, WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THE
12:16:45PM TAX DOLLARS, THIS IS THE REASON WHY DOING WITH THE TAX
12:16:49PM DOLLARS.
12:16:50PM >> THIS GIVES US THE ABILITY TO SERVICE BECAUSE WE HIT THE
12:16:53PM PEAK LIMIT OF DRAW OFF THE RIVER.
12:16:55PM THIS GIVES US SOME CAPACITY IN ORDER TO SERVICE THE EXISTING
12:17:00PM INFRASTRUCTURE.
12:17:01PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND.
12:17:03PM >> THIS KIND OF DIVERTS FLOW AROUND SO WE CAN GET TO SOME OF
12:17:06PM THE OLD 1920s STUFF AS WELL.
12:17:08PM CONSERVATION IS THE FUTURE.
12:17:09PM WE'VE GOT TO CONTINUE TO AMP UP OUR CONSERVATION EFFORTS.
12:17:12PM WE'RE NOT GOING TO NECESSARILY GET MORE OFF THE RIVER.
12:17:16PM I DO BELIEVE WE'LL LOOK BACK IN TIME AT WATERING OUR LAWNS
12:17:21PM WITH POTABLE WATER, THE SAME WAY WE DO INDOOR SMOKING AND
12:17:26PM GOING TO A RESTAURANT.
12:17:27PM THEY ASK YOU, DO YOU WANT SMOKING OR NONSMOKING?
12:17:30PM WE'RE SMILING ABOUT THAT NOW.
12:17:33PM I THINK WE'LL LOOK BACK IN TIME WITH THAT SAME ASPECT OF
12:17:38PM WATERING WITH POTABLE WATER.
12:17:40PM WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CONSERVATION EFFORTS.
12:17:44PM LOOK AT OUR REGIONAL PARTNERSHIPS WITH A DIFFERENT LENS AND
12:17:50PM WORK TOGETHER NOT ONLY WITH TAMPA BAY WATER, BUT LOOK ACROSS
12:17:54PM THE AISLES IN OUR OWN CITY, HOW WE USE STORMWATER, HOW WE
12:18:01PM USE WASTEWATER.
12:18:02PM REALLY AMP UP OUR RECLAIMED INFRASTRUCTURE AND MAXIMIZE THAT
12:18:07PM RESOURCE.
12:18:10PM I DON'T HAVE A GREAT ANSWER.
12:18:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO HAVE AN ANSWER.
12:18:15PM THERE IS NO ANSWER RIGHT NOW.
12:18:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
12:18:21PM MS. DUNCAN, DOES THAT CONCLUDE?
12:18:24PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES, SIR.
12:18:25PM THANK YOU, COUNCIL, FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
12:18:26PM AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE ANY FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS YOU'D LIKE TO
12:18:29PM PROVIDE, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.
12:18:31PM WE TOOK NOTES OF YOUR QUESTIONS TODAY.
12:18:33PM AND WE WILL BE COMING BACK WITH THESE PROJECTS IN DIFFERENT
12:18:36PM FORMS IN TERMS OF CONTRACTS AND SO FORTH.
12:18:40PM ALWAYS REACH OUT FOR ONE-ON-ONE BRIEFINGS TO MAKE SURE YOU
12:18:42PM HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION.
12:18:43PM WE'RE REALLY PUTTING AN EFFORT ON BEING AS FORTHCOMING AS WE
12:18:47PM CAN EARLIER ON, IF POSSIBLE.
12:18:50PM NO ONE LIKES SURPRISES.
12:18:51PM SO THAT'S OUR GOAL.
12:18:52PM IF THERE ARE ANY SUGGESTIONS TO IMPROVE ANY OF THIS, WE
12:18:55PM WELCOME THOSE BECAUSE WE'RE HERE TO SERVE YOU AND THE
12:18:58PM CITIZENS AND WANT TO DO THE BEST WE CAN FOR THE PUBLIC IN
12:19:00PM TERMS OF SPENDING THEIR DOLLARS.
12:19:02PM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
12:19:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
12:19:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE IN-DEPTH REPORT
12:19:09PM OF THIS.
12:19:09PM THIS WAS WONDERFUL.
12:19:11PM AND THIS IS THE GREAT 8.
12:19:12PM BUT THE ISSUE IS ALSO THAT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN UPDATE
12:19:17PM FOR THE ENTIRE CIP.
12:19:20PM MAYBE NOT WITH IT BUT SOMEHOW A WRITTEN FORM A REPORT THAT
12:19:24PM SHOWS US WHERE WE ARE WITH THE OTHERS.
12:19:26PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES.
12:19:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH DENNIS
12:19:32PM ROGERO ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FOR OUR CIP BUDGET
12:19:37PM UPDATE.
12:19:38PM SO SOMETHING SIMILAR.
12:19:40PM THEY FOUND A WAY TO SHOW WHAT THE CHANGES HAVE BEEN OR WILL
12:19:44PM BE FOR THE NEXT UPCOMING YEAR, SO MAYBE WE CAN DO THAT FOR
12:19:48PM THESE CIP UPDATES.
12:19:50PM AGAIN, NOT TO BE PRESENTED NECESSARILY IN FRONT OF EVERYONE,
12:19:53PM BUT JUST TO LET US SEE WHERE WE ARE ON SOME OF THOSE
12:19:56PM PROJECTS.
12:19:57PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: THAT IS AN EXCELLENT SUGGESTION.
12:19:59PM WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT, RICHARD MUTTERBACK AND I, BRAD
12:20:03PM BAIRD, GET THE QUARTERLY STORMWATER REPORTS, BIANNUAL REPORT
12:20:07PM BUT WE WANT TO SEE WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO TO FILL THE GAP OF
12:20:11PM INFORMATION SO YOU HAVE A REGULAR HANDY REFERENCE TO THESE
12:20:13PM THINGS.
12:20:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I APPRECIATE IT.
12:20:14PM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
12:20:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:20:15PM WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
12:20:17PM YES, MA'AM.
12:20:17PM COME ON UP.
12:20:18PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:20:26PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
12:20:28PM I ADDED THIS ALL UP, IT WAS LIKE $671 MILLION FOR ALL OF
12:20:32PM THEM.
12:20:32PM OF COURSE, ABOUT 400 ARE NOT COMING OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND,
12:20:35PM WHICH DOESN'T HURT QUITE AS BAD.
12:20:40PM THIS IS HOW I FEEL.
12:20:41PM I FEEL LIKE THE HOUSEWIFE WHO IS BUSTING HER HUMP TO SAVE
12:20:45PM SOME MONEY.
12:20:46PM AND HER HUSBAND IS DOING DRUGS AND RUNNING AROUND SPENDING
12:20:50PM IT LIKE IT'S -- KNOWING GOOD AND FULL WELL THE FIRST WEEK IN
12:20:58PM NOVEMBER WE DON'T KNOW IF WE STILL HAVE A JOB.
12:21:00PM I'M SORRY, WE'VE GOT TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
12:21:03PM WE CANNOT IGNORE IT.
12:21:04PM I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE LITTLE BABY PROJECT THAT'S STUCK IN
12:21:07PM THE MIDDLE OF THIS THAT NOBODY EVEN BROUGHT UP TODAY.
12:21:09PM $300,000 FOR A VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK THAT IS NOT TWO BLOCKS
12:21:14PM FROM A CURRENT VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK, THAT IS MAINTAINED BY
12:21:19PM THE PORT TAMPA LADIES ASSOCIATION AND THE DRUG DEALERS SIT
12:21:24PM THERE EVERY DAY, ALL STINKIN' DAY LONG, DAYLIGHT TO DARK
12:21:28PM THEY SIT UNDERNEATH THE AWNINGS THERE.
12:21:29PM I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHEN WE HAVE A NEED AT GADSDEN
12:21:34PM PARK, WE HAVE DUGOUTS THAT AREN'T THERE FOR OUR BASEBALL
12:21:40PM KIDS.
12:21:40PM COUNCILMAN VIERA AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAVE BOTH BEEN
12:21:43PM TALKING TO THE INTERBAY LITTLE LEAGUE.
12:21:45PM I'M SORRY.
12:21:46PM I'M MARRIED TO A VETERAN.
12:21:48PM 34 YEARS ACTIVE DUTY.
12:21:50PM AND HE WOULD RATHER HAVE KIDS IN AN APPROPRIATE PLACE AND
12:21:55PM KIDS WHO ARE IN WHEELCHAIRS BE ABLE TO USE SOMETHING BESIDES
12:21:58PM A PORT-O-LET TO GO TO THE BATHROOM WHEN THEY ARE OUT DOING
12:22:02PM ACTIVITIES IN THE PARK.
12:22:03PM THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD ABOUT THIS VETERANS
12:22:07PM MEMORIAL PROJECT FOR $300,000.
12:22:10PM FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN IT.
12:22:11PM I THINK IF ANYBODY IN SOUTH TAMPA WOULD HAVE HEARD ABOUT IT,
12:22:15PM IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ME.
12:22:17PM I MEAN, I READ EVERY AGENDA.
12:22:19PM I'M JUST A LITTLE SCARED THAT ON JULY THE 18 WE'RE GOING TO
12:22:30PM HAVE A BUDGET THAT WILL HAVE A BUNCH OF THE STUFF IN HERE.
12:22:33PM WE DON'T HAVE A PAYCHECK THAT'S GUARANTEED AFTER THE FIRST
12:22:35PM TUESDAY IN NOVEMBER.
12:22:39PM WE'VE GOT TO STOP SPENDING LIKE WE'RE 15 YEARS OLD.
12:22:44PM I'VE GOT A -- 15, BUT THAT GIRL CAN SPEND MONEY LIKE
12:22:51PM NOBODY'S BUSINESS.
12:22:52PM SHE DOESN'T THINK TWICE ABOUT ORDERING A BOBA FOR $16.
12:22:56PM SHE'S GROUNDED FOR THAT.
12:22:58PM BUT I CAN'T EVER IMAGINE SPENDING $16 TO ORDER A STUPID ICED
12:23:04PM TEA WITH BOBA IN IT.
12:23:06PM THIS IS THE KIND OF STUFF I KEEP SEEING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
12:23:09PM WE HAVE NEEDS ON HERE.
12:23:10PM WE REALLY DO.
12:23:11PM WE HAVE SOME NEEDS.
12:23:12PM BUT THERE IS A WHOLE LOT OF WANTS THAT KEEP GETTING IN THE
12:23:16PM WAY.
12:23:16PM AND CAN IT WAIT ONE MORE YEAR?
12:23:18PM UNTIL WE KNOW WE HAVE SOMETHING.
12:23:20PM YOU HAVE TO TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN IT'S TIME TO
12:23:22PM VOTE ON THIS BUDGET.
12:23:23PM THANK YOU.
12:23:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:23:24PM YES, MA'AM.
12:23:27PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:23:28PM >> HI.
12:23:29PM CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
12:23:30PM I'M NOT GOING TO SIT UP HERE AND TELL YOU THAT I KNOW WHERE
12:23:33PM EVERY DOLLAR SHOULD GO BECAUSE I'M NOT THAT SMART.
12:23:36PM BUT I KNOW THAT WHEN EACH ONE OF MY THREE CHILDREN GOT
12:23:39PM MARRIED, MY HUSBAND AND I SAT THEM DOWN AND HAD THE FINANCE
12:23:42PM TALK.
12:23:43PM AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TOLD THEM WAS DO NOT CHARGE
12:23:46PM ANYTHING ON YOUR CREDIT CARD THAT YOU CAN'T PAY OFF THAT
12:23:49PM MONTH.
12:23:49PM BECAUSE NOTHING, EVERY EXPERT IN THE COUNTRY WILL TELL YOU
12:23:55PM THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR PERSONAL FINANCES IS TO
12:23:59PM PAY INTEREST ON CREDIT CARD BILLS.
12:24:01PM THAT IS THE SINGLE WORSE THING YOU CAN DO.
12:24:04PM I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD NEVER BOND ANYTHING.
12:24:07PM I'M JUST SAYING WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT WHEN WE BOND
12:24:09PM THINGS, IT'S JUST LIKE CHARGING IT ON A CREDIT CARD AND
12:24:12PM WE'LL HAVE TO PAY THAT INTEREST, AND THAT'S NOT A
12:24:16PM FINANCIALLY GOOD WAY TO DO THINGS.
12:24:19PM AGAIN, DO I KNOW HOW EVERY DOLLAR SHOULD BE SPENT?
12:24:21PM NO, I DO NOT.
12:24:23PM BUT I DO KNOW THAT I'VE SEEN WHAT HAPPENS WHERE CITY COUNCIL
12:24:28PM WOULD BE, HOW DID THIS MUCH MONEY GET SPENT?
12:24:31PM OH, YOU VOTED ON IT.
12:24:33PM YOU APPROVED IT.
12:24:33PM WELL, THE PROBLEM IS YOU GET A BUDGET AND YOU GUYS WORKED SO
12:24:37PM HARD ON THAT BUDGET, BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO VOTE ON THINGS
12:24:40PM INDIVIDUALLY AND YOU DON'T ALWAYS KNOW WAS THIS AMOUNT THAT
12:24:43PM I'M VOTING ON, WAS THAT IN THE BUDGET THAT I THOUGHT WAS A
12:24:46PM GOOD BUDGET OR HAS IT CREPT UP?
12:24:49PM YOU DON'T ALWAYS KNOW.
12:24:51PM SO YOU END UP APPROVING THINGS WITHOUT REALLY KNOWING FOR
12:24:54PM SURE THAT IT'S BEEN BUDGETED FOR.
12:24:56PM AND ALL I GOT TO SAY IS FROM WHERE I SIT, WHAT I'VE SEEN, IT
12:25:00PM LOOKS TO ME, AND I'M NOT ALONE IN THIS, LIKE THE CITY IS
12:25:03PM SPENDING MONEY LIKE A DRUNKEN SAILOR.
12:25:07PM THANK YOU.
12:25:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:25:10PM YES, MA'AM.
12:25:12PM >> HI.
12:25:13PM VALERIE BULLOCK.
12:25:15PM I GUESS THE CITY GOT A LITTLE HANDBOOK THAT SHOW YOU HOW TO
12:25:19PM BEAT MONEY OUT OF THE CITY.
12:25:21PM COME UP HERE AND SAY ONE THING AND THEN TURN IN PAPERWORK
12:25:25PM THAT SAY SOMETHING ELSE AND YOU ALL APPROVE THAT, THEN THEY
12:25:28PM ALREADY FIGURE OUT A WAY TO INCREASE THAT PRICE.
12:25:32PM THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
12:25:35PM WHEN I GO DOWN MY STREET, I SEE FOUR AND FIVE GENERATIONS
12:25:40PM LIVING TOGETHER.
12:25:42PM WHEN I COME HERE, I HAVE TO PASS OVER HOMELESS PEOPLE.
12:25:46PM WHEN I GO 29th AND LAKE, GENERATIONS, GENERATIONS OF
12:25:52PM PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE A JOB.
12:25:53PM WHEN I GO AT LIQUOR STORE, TALKING TO THE YOUNG GUYS THERE,
12:25:58PM THEY ARE TELLING ME ABOUT HOW THEY CAN'T GET NO JOB.
12:26:02PM I'M TRYING TO GIVE THEM IDEAS ON HOW SOMEBODY WILL HIRE
12:26:06PM THEM.
12:26:06PM I HEARD ABOUT THIS PLACE.
12:26:08PM WE GOT THINGS GOING ON THAT'S WAY MORE IMPORTANT THAN A LOT
12:26:13PM OF THIS STUFF THAT THE SPEAKERS HAVE CAME UP HERE TALKING TO
12:26:17PM YOU-ALL ABOUT.
12:26:18PM YEAH, THE RIVERWALK IS NICE.
12:26:20PM I TAKE MY GRANDCHILDREN ICE SKATING EVERY YEAR RIGHT THERE
12:26:24PM AT CURTIS HIXON.
12:26:25PM BUT DO WE NEED ANOTHER RIVERWALK ADDITION THAT'S GOING TO
12:26:30PM COST OVER $40 MILLION AND THE ONLY THING THE SPEAKER CAN SAY
12:26:36PM IS THE SAFETY ISSUE.
12:26:38PM WHERE ON MY STREET, HALF HAS SIDEWALKS, HALF DON'T.
12:26:43PM BEEN LIKE THAT FOR 30 YEARS.
12:26:45PM I PUT IN A REQUEST WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA.
12:26:47PM THEY GAVE ME A TICKET NUMBER.
12:26:49PM I MIGHT NOT EVEN BE ALIVE WHEN WE GET SIDEWALKS.
12:26:54PM AND HE SAY THEY GOT A BIKING LANE THERE.
12:26:57PM THAT'S REALLY GOOD.
12:26:59PM I REMEMBER THE CITY OF TAMPA PASSED THE BIKING WHILE BLACK
12:27:03PM LAW.
12:27:04PM IF ANYBODY THAT NEED A BIKE LANE, IT'S US OVER THERE IN EAST
12:27:07PM TAMPA.
12:27:08PM WE THE ONES WHO NEED IT.
12:27:10PM THE STAFF THAT'S BEING PRESENTED, I UNDERSTAND HOW A
12:27:14PM MUNICIPALITY WORK.
12:27:15PM THE STUFF THAT'S BEING PRESENTED, A LOT OF IT IS COSMETIC.
12:27:21PM IT'S NOT COST EFFECTIVE.
12:27:23PM WHY CAN'T YOU GO WITH A BASIC BUILDING?
12:27:26PM WHY DOES THIS ONE HAVE TO HAVE SO MUCH COSMETICS ADDED TO IT
12:27:31PM THAT IT KEEPS UPPING THE PRICE AND YOU THINK YOU GOT AN OPEN
12:27:37PM CHECKBOOK.
12:27:38PM THAT'S NOT HOW THE CITY SHOULD BE RAN.
12:27:40PM IT SHOULD BE A CHECK AND BALANCE SYSTEM.
12:27:42PM AND ME, I THINK AFFORDABLE HOUSING SHOULD BE NUMBER ONE.
12:27:46PM NOBODY SHOULD BE SLEEPING OUTSIDE ON THE -- UNDER THE
12:27:50PM INTERSTATE.
12:27:51PM AND ANOTHER THING WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE WASTEWATER AND
12:27:54PM THE WATER DEPARTMENT, WE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT CONSERVATION.
12:27:58PM ALL OF THE MILLIONS OUT OF THE PIPE MONEY, HOW MUCH WAS
12:28:02PM UTILIZED TO BRING THE RECLAIMED WATER TO OUR HOUSE SO WE CAN
12:28:07PM STOP WATERING OUR GRASS WITH POTABLE WATER.
12:28:14PM IS THAT IN THE MAKING ANY TIME SOON?
12:28:16PM THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN GOOD TO USE THE MONEY FOR THAT PURPOSE.
12:28:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:28:20PM YES, SIR.
12:28:24PM >> MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
12:28:26PM ONE THING YOU HAVE TO GET STRAIGHT AND THE AFRICAN PEOPLE
12:28:31PM HAVE TO KNOW, WHEN THAT AVALANCHE STARTS TO ROLL AND YOU
12:28:36PM CAN'T STOP IT, YOU CAN'T STOP BIG BUSINESS.
12:28:40PM YOU CAN'T STOP THE RULING CLASS.
12:28:42PM YOU CAN'T STOP GOVERNMENT IN A CERTAIN WAY.
12:28:47PM SO WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION OR
12:28:52PM OVER TAXATION, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POOR AND WORKING
12:28:55PM CLASS PEOPLE.
12:28:56PM ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY NOTHING.
12:28:58PM WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT RELOCATE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT'S
12:29:00PM NOT RELOCATION.
12:29:02PM THE WHITE DEVELOPERS RAN THEM FROM DOWNTOWN.
12:29:06PM WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT RELOCATING THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
12:29:09PM SHERIFF'S OFFICE, IT'S NOT RELOCATION.
12:29:11PM THE WHITE DEVELOPERS IS RUNNING THEM FROM YBOR CITY.
12:29:15PM WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT RELOCATING SOMETHING FROM CARVER CITY,
12:29:19PM THEY GOT A BUFFOON COMING IN HERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THEY
12:29:22PM GONNA SAVE ON TRANSPORTATION AND OVERTIME HOURS AND ALL THIS
12:29:27PM OTHER STUFF.
12:29:29PM NO, IT IS THE WHITE DEVELOPERS RUNNING THEM FROM CARVER
12:29:32PM CITY, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
12:29:34PM THE COUNCILWOMAN SAID SOMETHING VERY INTERESTING, WHICH WAS
12:29:38PM RECONCILIATION AND LAND RECONCILIATION.
12:29:41PM WELL, WE HAVE TO TIE THAT TO REPARATIONS ALSO.
12:29:45PM BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, WHEN A PERSON CAN COME IN
12:29:48PM HERE BECAUSE THEY INSULT THE PEOPLE OF ALL COMMUNITIES, NOT
12:29:53PM JUST DISTRICT 5.
12:29:54PM THEY INSULT THE PEOPLE OF ALL COMMUNITIES.
12:29:58PM WHEN THEY COME IN HERE AND THEY TALK ABOUT A PROJECT GOING
12:30:02PM FROM 8 MILLION TO 40 MILLION AND THE PERSON DON'T EVEN KNOW
12:30:09PM THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING THEY ARE ATTEMPTING TO
12:30:13PM PUT ON IT, THAT TELLS YOU HOW DISRESPECTFUL THEY ARE, NOT
12:30:17PM ONLY TO THE CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVES, HOW DISRESPECTFUL
12:30:21PM THEY ARE TO THE CONSTITUENTS OF THE CITY COUNCIL
12:30:26PM REPRESENTATIVES AND THE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T CONSTITUENTS
12:30:28PM BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE DON'T VOTE.
12:30:31PM HOW DISRESPECTFUL THEY ARE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
12:30:36PM THEY JUST HAVE A BIG BUILDING THAT STARTED OUT, THEY CLAIM
12:30:40PM AT 100 MILLION THAT NOBODY KNEW ABOUT, THE HANNA STREET
12:30:43PM PROJECT THAT WENT TO TWO OR THREE HUNDRED MILLION, STILL
12:30:47PM DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
12:30:48PM AND IN THAT, THEY DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THEY NEEDED A PROPERTY
12:30:52PM ROOM THAT WAS ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING.
12:30:57PM NO, IT'S THAT THE CITY, LIKE THE PEOPLE SAY, LIKE THE LADY
12:31:02PM SAID, HEY, LIKE, YOU HAVE LIKE -- LET'S REVERSE ROLES.
12:31:08PM YOU HAVE A GOOD WORKING HUSBAND AND YOU GOT A WIFE THAT'S ON
12:31:12PM DRUGS.
12:31:13PM PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
12:31:14PM THAT'S HOW THE CITY IS OPERATING, AND IT'S DISRESPECTFUL,
12:31:18PM AND WE NEED ACCOUNTABILITY.
12:31:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
12:31:21PM ALL RIGHT.
12:31:22PM THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
12:31:23PM NO, GO AHEAD, SIR.
12:31:25PM I'M SORRY.
12:31:28PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:31:29PM ALL RIGHT.
12:31:29PM ITEM NUMBER 5, OUR LAST ITEM FOR THE WORKSHOP, COUNCIL
12:31:33PM MEMBER HENDERSON, DO YOU WANT TO START IT OFF?
12:31:40PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
12:31:41PM I BELIEVE THAT WHEN THE BUDGET IS GOING TO PRESENTED TO US
12:31:48PM FOR 2024 THAT THE MAYOR HAS PLACED IN THE BUDGET FISCAL YEAR
12:31:52PM $73,000 AS THE STARTING SALARY OR THE SALARY FOR CITY
12:32:00PM COUNCIL.
12:32:00PM I KNOW WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE.
12:32:02PM THIS IS THE OPEN DIALOGUE AGAIN TO SEE IF IT WILL BE FOR THE
12:32:06PM UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR OR IF WE'RE GOING TO PLACE IT IN THE
12:32:10PM NEXT ELECTION CYCLE.
12:32:12PM I KNOW WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE, SO WE CAN JUST HAVE
12:32:15PM IT AGAIN PUBLICLY AND SEE WHERE WE LAND.
12:32:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK?
12:32:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I CAN ONLY SAY THIS, IF THAT'S WHAT THE
12:32:31PM MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL WANTS, IT WOULD BE FOR THIS YEAR.
12:32:34PM DON'T PASS IT ON TO SOMEBODY ELSE AND SAY I DIDN'T VOTE FOR
12:32:37PM THE RAISE.
12:32:38PM I JUST GOT IT BECAUSE IT WAS HERE WHEN I RAN FOR OFFICE.
12:32:41PM I'M NOT OPPOSED TO RAISING IT.
12:32:44PM I AM OPPOSED TO $25,000 A YEAR RAISE.
12:32:47PM I'M NOT OPPOSED TO 6%, 4%, WHATEVER THE GENERAL PUBLIC GETS.
12:32:51PM WE KNEW WHAT WE GET WHEN YOU WERE GOING TO RUN FOR OFFICE.
12:32:57PM I'M NOT OPPOSED TO A RAISE.
12:32:59PM THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.
12:33:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
12:33:08PM >>BILL CARLSON: I'VE SAID MY THOUGHTS ON THIS BEFORE.
12:33:10PM I THINK WE OUGHT TO PUT SOME KIND OF STRUCTURE IN PLACE SO
12:33:15PM NO CITY COUNCIL HAS TO VOTE ON THIS AGAIN.
12:33:17PM I PROPOSED THAT IT WOULD BE -- IT COULD BE ANY FORMULA, BUT
12:33:22PM MAYBE A PERCENTAGE OF THE MAYOR.
12:33:24PM I THINK IT'S CRAZY THAT CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T MAKE AT LEAST
12:33:27PM 50% OF WHAT A MAYOR MAKES.
12:33:29PM I THINK CONSIDERING THAT, THIS IS TOO LOW AND IT DOESN'T FIX
12:33:36PM THE ONGOING PROBLEM.
12:33:37PM SO IF WE'RE VOTING ON THIS TODAY, I WOULD JUST VOTE NO.
12:33:40PM IF IT'S A LONGER TERM FIX, I WOULD SUPPORT IT.
12:33:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
12:33:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MY GOODNESS, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN
12:33:48PM MIRANDA AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:33:55PM I'LL ECHO THE SAME THING.
12:33:55PM IF RAISING THE SALARY IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, THEN IT'S
12:33:58PM THE RIGHT THING TO DO TODAY.
12:34:00PM BY DEFERRING IT ALONG, I HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM WITH IT.
12:34:06PM IF I'M RUNNING A COMPANY, YOU DO A SALARY ASSESSMENT BASED
12:34:09PM ON THE JOB PERFORMED.
12:34:10PM SET THE SALARY.
12:34:13PM WHATEVER THAT SHOULD BE, IT'S AS GOOD TODAY AS IT'S GOING TO
12:34:15PM BE IN THREE YEARS.
12:34:18PM I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
12:34:21PM IT TOOK ME A FEW MINUTES TO GET THERE BECAUSE I DON'T
12:34:24PM NECESSARILY KNOW I WAS THERE THE FIRST TIME HE PROPOSED
12:34:26PM THAT.
12:34:27PM BUT I DO SEE THE WISDOM.
12:34:31PM BY THE WAY, FOR ANYBODY LISTENING, EVERYBODY KEEPS REFERRING
12:34:34PM THIS IS A PART-TIME JOB.
12:34:35PM THIS IS NOT A PART-TIME JOB.
12:34:38PM DOESN'T SAY ANYWHERE THAT IT IS A PART-TIME JOB, BY THE WAY.
12:34:40PM WHEN RUNNING FOR OFFICE, DOESN'T SAY RUNNING FOR CITY
12:34:43PM COUNCIL AS A PART-TIME JOB.
12:34:44PM DOESN'T SAY THAT.
12:34:45PM THROW THAT OUT THE WINDOW.
12:34:46PM MISNOMER REPEATED A THOUSAND TIMES.
12:34:49PM IT'S NOT TRUE.
12:34:53PM THERE ARE WEEKS THAT IT IS NOT AS INTENSIVE AS OTHERS AND AS
12:34:57PM WEEKS SO INTENSIVE THAT IT IS THREE JOBS.
12:34:59PM I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:35:02PM IF THIS WAS THE PROPOSAL, I WOULD VOTE AGAINST IT BECAUSE I
12:35:05PM THINK YOU DO AN ASSESSMENT OF WHAT THE SALARY BASED ON THE
12:35:10PM WORKLOAD AND WHAT YOU DO.
12:35:13PM I THINK PROBABLY THE MODEL THAT HE HAD PROPOSED, AGAIN, I
12:35:16PM PROBABLY WASN'T THERE WHEN HE FIRST PROPOSED IT.
12:35:19PM AFTER CHEWING ON IT A BIT, I THINK TYING IT TO THE MAYOR'S
12:35:23PM SALARY IS PROBABLY A GOOD WAY OF GOING ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE
12:35:29PM CLEARLY MADE A DETERMINATION THAT THAT JOB IS SET AT A
12:35:34PM CERTAIN LEVEL AND PROBABLY, THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE WE SHOULD
12:35:37PM BE.
12:35:37PM IT WOULD BE AN EASY CALCULATION.
12:35:41PM IT WOULD BE ALSO EASY FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS OF CITY COUNCIL
12:35:46PM FOLKS TO UNDERSTAND AND TO EVALUATE THEIR PERFORMANCE BY.
12:35:52PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHAT IS THE MAYOR'S SALARY?
12:35:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ABOUT 190.
12:35:57PM LET'S SAY 185.
12:36:03PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WILL SAY IS THAT
12:36:07PM I'M THINKING ABOUT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF FUTURE PEOPLE
12:36:10PM WHO HAVE THIS ROLE.
12:36:12PM YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF THIS PRIMARY QUESTION, WHO CAN RUN
12:36:17PM FOR OFFICE?
12:36:19PM WHO CAN RUN FOR OFFICE?
12:36:20PM IS IT TIED TO THE TYPE OF PERSON?
12:36:27PM THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO LOOK OVERALL HOLISTICALLY AT THIS
12:36:31PM COUNCIL AND SAY, WELL, WHAT DO THEY DO?
12:36:33PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON OWNS HIS OWN COMPANY.
12:36:38PM WHAT DO YOU DO?
12:36:41PM YOU'RE A WRITER.
12:36:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I RUN MY OWN CONSULTING AND EDITING FIRM,
12:36:48PM WHICH I'VE PUT ON PAUSE.
12:36:49PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: EXACTLY.
12:36:51PM I WAS GOING TO ADD THAT PART BECAUSE YOU SAID THAT BEFORE.
12:36:53PM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN IS RETIRED.
12:36:56PM WHAT DO YOU DO?
12:36:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I DO A LITTLE -- WATCHES, ON THE SIDE.
12:37:03PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I AM AN EDUCATOR AT THE END OF MY CAREER.
12:37:07PM A LAWYER.
12:37:11PM VIERA, YOU ARE RETIRED NOW, RIGHT?
12:37:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I NEVER RETIRE.
12:37:15PM ONLY DEAD PEOPLE RETIRE.
12:37:17PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY.
12:37:18PM SERIOUSLY, WHO CAN, IF A PERSON GETS THIS JOB -- I THOUGHT
12:37:25PM IT WAS A PART-TIME JOB WHEN I TOOK OFFICE AND TO AN EXTENT,
12:37:30PM IT IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY AND SOME
12:37:34PM WEEKS ARE AT A PEAK AND VALLEY THAN OTHERS.
12:37:39PM A PERSON THAT DOESN'T HAVE FLEXIBILITY THAT DOES WORK,
12:37:43PM WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THIS JOB UNLESS THEY HAVE
12:37:45PM FLEXIBILITY.
12:37:45PM THE SALARY REALLY SHOULD BE COMPARABLE TO SOMEONE WHO CAN
12:37:50PM AFFORD TO LIVE IN TAMPA.
12:37:53PM IF THIS WAS A FULL-TIME JOB, CAN A PERSON AFFORD TO LIVE IN
12:37:57PM THE CITY THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY GOVERNING?
12:37:59PM AND THAT WOULD BE NO BASED ON THE CURRENT SALARY LEVEL.
12:38:03PM IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF COUNCILMAN
12:38:08PM MIRANDA SAYING GIVING A RAISE OF $20,000, I DON'T
12:38:12PM NECESSARILY SEE IT THAT WAY.
12:38:14PM PUTTING IT IN LINE WITH THE AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME OR SALARY
12:38:18PM FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA, THEN THIS IS A LITTLE BIT ABOVE THAT.
12:38:20PM I THINK THAT WOULD BE REASONABLE.
12:38:23PM BUT FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS, YOU WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE
12:38:27PM WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO SIT IN THIS SEAT AND WOULD THEY BE ABLE
12:38:30PM TO DO THAT WITH THIS SALARY?
12:38:35PM I BELIEVE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THE DIVERSITY THAT WE HAVE RIGHT
12:38:39PM NOW.
12:38:40PM SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I BROUGHT IT UP.
12:38:44PM I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE NOT BE AFRAID TO ADDRESS
12:38:47PM IT IN THAT WAY BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE JUST ABOUT -- IT'S NOT
12:38:52PM JUST ABOUT US.
12:38:53PM IT'S ABOUT THE FUTURE OF TAMPA AND WHO GETS TO LEAD OUR CITY
12:38:57PM AND WHO GETS TO HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE.
12:38:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
12:39:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'LL TAKE A LITTLE ISSUE WITH THE FACT THAT
12:39:04PM YOU SAY WE'RE DIVERSE BECAUSE HERE IS THE THING, WOMEN, 51%
12:39:07PM OF THE POPULATION, WE HAVE NEVER BEEN 50% OF THIS COUNCIL.
12:39:10PM AND YOU KNOW WHY, IT'S BECAUSE, THERE ARE A LOT OF SINGLE
12:39:14PM MOMS OUT THERE.
12:39:15PM SINGLE MOMS CANNOT DO THIS JOB.
12:39:18PM CANNOT DO THIS JOB.
12:39:19PM IF YOU'RE A SINGLE MOM, YOU DON'T HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY.
12:39:23PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I'M A SINGLE MOM.
12:39:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT YOUR DAUGHTER IS GROWN.
12:39:27PM WHEN SHE WAS LITTLE, YOU COULDN'T HAVE DONE THIS.
12:39:28PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: CORRECT.
12:39:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK: FOR THE COST AND FOR EVERYTHING ELSE.
12:39:32PM I AGREE WITH ACTUALLY PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY.
12:39:35PM I THINK THAT, YES, WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW WE SHOULD
12:39:41PM INCREASE, BUT I ALSO DO AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES THAT WE
12:39:44PM HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO MOVE THIS FORWARD PAST US SO THAT
12:39:50PM IT'S NOT AND TARGETED TO THE MAYOR'S SALARY OR TARGETED TO
12:39:53PM SOMETHING.
12:39:53PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: LET ME SAY THIS, TOO, TO CIRCLE BACK, IT
12:39:56PM WAS ACTUALLY PUT INTO THE BUDGET AND YOU ALL VOTED IT DOWN I
12:40:01PM GUESS BECAUSE IT WAS A POLITICAL SEASON.
12:40:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH, PRIOR COUNCIL.
12:40:06PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: NOW THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL SEASON.
12:40:09PM WE'RE NOT UP FOR ELECTION.
12:40:10PM I DON'T KNOW HOW WOULD YOU HAVE VOTED -- I KNOW HOW YOU
12:40:13PM VOTED BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T DO IT BECAUSE OF POLITICS, I GUESS.
12:40:16PM AND SO NOW THAT OPPORTUNITY IS PRESENTING ITSELF AGAIN
12:40:20PM WITHOUT THAT BEING THE ISSUE.
12:40:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA AND THEN CARLSON.
12:40:24PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:40:25PM YES, AND I'VE ALWAYS HAD MY POSITION ON THIS, WHICH IS I DO
12:40:29PM AGREE THAT IT'S NOT ABOUT US.
12:40:31PM IT'S ABOUT FUTURE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
12:40:32PM I MOTIONED SOME TIME AGO THAT WE HAVE A TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
12:40:38PM SALARY I BELIEVE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AROUND 75, 80 THOUSAND
12:40:41PM DOLLARS, BUT BEGINNING FOR THE NEXT COUNCIL.
12:40:44PM I ALWAYS HAD A PRINCIPLE THAT I ABIDED BY ON THIS WHICH IS
12:40:47PM AS FOLLOWS, NUMBER ONE, WE SHOULD VOTE ON IT.
12:40:51PM NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE AN ELECTION AND IT TAKES EFFECT AFTER
12:40:53PM THE ELECTION.
12:40:54PM JUST LIKE THE 27th AMENDMENT DOES FOR THE UNITED STATES
12:40:57PM CONGRESS.
12:40:59PM I AGREE 100%, WHICH IS THIS BODY, THIS POSITION REQUIRES A
12:41:06PM HIGHER SALARY SO THAT WE CAN ATTRACT MORE PEOPLE.
12:41:08PM I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT.
12:41:10PM BUT THERE IS THAT PRINCIPLE FOR ME THAT WE SHOULD NOT GET
12:41:13PM THE BENEFIT OF A NON-INFLATION ADJUSTMENT PAY INCREASE
12:41:17PM WITHOUT FIRST HAVING AN ELECTION.
12:41:19PM ALL OF THE OPTIONS, EXCEPT FOR THE ONE I PROPOSED LAST TIME,
12:41:22PM DO NOT DO THAT.
12:41:24PM THAT'S WHERE I HAVE ALWAYS STOOD ON THIS.
12:41:26PM AGAIN, IT IS NOT ABOUT US.
12:41:29PM IT IS ABOUT THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY, AND I DO THINK IT IS
12:41:32PM GOOD TO TAKE THAT STEP, BUT I DON'T THINK ON PRINCIPLE THAT
12:41:35PM WE SHOULD GET THE BENEFIT OF IT, NUMBER ONE, WE PASSED IT,
12:41:38PM THEN WE HAVE AN ELECTION, THEN WE GET THE BENEFIT OF IT.
12:41:41PM THAT'S WHAT I MOTIONED FOR LAST TIME.
12:41:43PM THAT'S MY PRINCIPLE.
12:41:44PM I MAY BE IN THE MINORITY, BUT THAT'S MY PRINCIPLE.
12:41:46PM THANK YOU.
12:41:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND MIRANDA.
12:41:49PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST FOR THE RECORD ON THIS, I VOTED FOR IT
12:41:54PM I THINK MULTIPLE TIMES AND THAT WAS JUST BEFORE THE
12:41:59PM ELECTION, DURING THE ELECTION, THE MAYOR'S PEOPLE SENT THREE
12:42:04PM OR FOUR WAVES OF DIRECT MAIL AGAINST ME, PROBABLY HUNDRED
12:42:07PM THOUSAND OR MORE AGAINST US, I STILL WON 60%.
12:42:11PM IT HAD NO POLITICAL IMPACT AND MY VOTE TODAY HAS NOTHING TO
12:42:14PM DO WITH POLITICS BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN GOOD GOVERNMENT AND I
12:42:17PM THINK YOU HAVE TO PAY A FAIR WAGE.
12:42:22PM MY ISSUE WITH IT IS THAT I THINK FOR WHATEVER REASON IT'S
12:42:26PM BEEN ARTIFICIALLY LOW FOR A LONG TIME.
12:42:29PM JUST LIKE IT DOESN'T SAY PART TIME.
12:42:33PM IT DOESN'T SAY, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT -- ANYWAY, AND SO THE
12:42:40PM IDEA HERE IS WE NEED TO DO A ONE-TIME ADJUSTMENT TO MAKE IT
12:42:45PM A FAIR WAGE.
12:42:47PM IT IS ARTIFICIALLY BELOW ANY OF THE SALARIES IN THE CITY AND
12:42:50PM IT'S BELOW WHAT PEOPLE GET PAID OUTSIDE.
12:42:53PM ONCE IT'S SET.
12:42:55PM ONCE IT HAS A ONE-TIME ADJUSTMENT, THIS WAS POSITION IN
12:42:59PM MAILERS AGAINST ME AND I THINK AGAINST LYNN, AS A 42%
12:43:03PM INCREASE OR WHATEVER.
12:43:04PM BY THE WAY, WE DIDN'T EVEN GET THE INCREASE BECAUSE IT
12:43:06PM FAILED, BUT WE WERE ACCUSED OF GETTING IT ANYWAY.
12:43:09PM I HAD SAID I WOULD TURN IT DOWN IF IT WAS PASSED.
12:43:11PM BUT IT'S GOT -- THERE'S GOT TO BE A ONE-TIME ADJUSTMENT.
12:43:17PM AND THEN AFTER THAT, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A FORMULA SO
12:43:19PM THAT NO CITY COUNCIL EVER HAS TO WORK ON IT AGAIN.
12:43:22PM IF I VOTE AGAINST IT TODAY, IT'S BECAUSE IT'S NOT A FORMULA.
12:43:25PM THE LAST THING IS THAT I THINK, WHAT IS 80% AMI RIGHT NOW?
12:43:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AMI IS ABOUT SEVENTY-FOUR FIVE.
12:43:37PM >>BILL CARLSON: SO THE POINT IS THAT WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME,
12:43:39PM AND WE'RE SPENDING MAYBE A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS THIS
12:43:39PM YEAR, TO HELP PEOPLE SUBSIDIZE THEIR HOUSING BECAUSE THEY
12:43:46PM CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE ON THE SAME SALARY WE'RE PROPOSING CITY
12:43:51PM COUNCIL.
12:43:52PM I'M LOOKING FOR FUTURE CITY COUNCILS, NOT THIS ONE, BUT IT
12:43:57PM JUST IS NOT A SUSTAINABLE MODEL AND IT PUSHES NOT ANY OF US,
12:44:03PM BUT IT'S PUSHED PEOPLE IN THE PAST TO DEMAND FREE TICKETS
12:44:05PM AND FREE ADMISSION TO PLACES AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS THEY
12:44:09PM SHOULDN'T DO.
12:44:10PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PARKING, PARKING.
12:44:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
12:44:13PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
12:44:13PM I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD TIE ANY SALARY TO SOMEBODY ELSE'S
12:44:17PM SALARY.
12:44:18PM IT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN ANY CITY THAT I KNOW OF WHERE A SALARY
12:44:23PM OF THE ELECTED OFFICIAL AND THE COUNCIL, ALDERMEN, WHATEVER
12:44:27PM THEY WANT TO CALL THEM, IS TIED ON TO THE PERSONNEL.
12:44:30PM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.
12:44:32PM WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PRESIDENT, DOES THE LEGISLATURE, THE
12:44:36PM HOUSE, OR THE SENATE GET A PERCENTAGE OF THE PRESIDENT'S
12:44:38PM SALARY?
12:44:39PM NO.
12:44:39PM DOES IT HAPPEN IN THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE?
12:44:41PM NO.
12:44:43PM HAPPEN AT THE COUNTY COMMISSION OFFICE?
12:44:44PM NO.
12:44:44PM HAPPEN AT CITY COUNCIL?
12:44:45PM NOT THAT I KNOW OF.
12:44:47PM SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, WHEN YOU RUN FOR OFFICE, YOU SHOULD
12:44:54PM KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING INTO.
12:44:55PM IT'S CUT AND DRY.
12:44:57PM THEY TELL YOU WHEN YOU SIGN WHAT YOUR SALARY IS.
12:44:59PM NOT THAT DIFFICULT.
12:45:00PM I'M NOT OPPOSED TO RAISES.
12:45:01PM FOUR, FIVE, SIX PERCENT TWO YEARS AGO, ONE YEAR AGO, ONE
12:45:06PM THIS YEAR, BUT DIDN'T TAKE IT.
12:45:08PM THAT'S 12% THERE OR 8% AT LEAST.
12:45:10PM WE DIDN'T TAKE IT.
12:45:11PM NOW YOU WANT TO GO TO THE MAYOR'S SALARY PERCENT BASE, HUH?
12:45:16PM THE MAYOR'S SALARY IS THERE BECAUSE IT'S A VERY, VERY
12:45:20PM DIFFICULT JOB.
12:45:21PM WHOEVER THE MAYOR IS.
12:45:22PM YOU'RE UNDER SCRUTINY 24 HOURS JUST LIKE WE ARE.
12:45:28PM BUT THE RESPONSIBILITY IS TEN TIMES WHAT OURS ARE.
12:45:31PM WHEN YOU LOOK AT ITEMS TODAY, TAKING THE MONEY OUT OF THE
12:45:36PM CIT IF IT PASSES, STILL HALF A BILLION DOLLARS, BUT WE'RE
12:45:41PM GIVING THE CIT MONEY AWAY, AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT, WHAT?
12:45:44PM YOU WANT TO RAISE 25% OR 20%, WHATEVER IT IS, TAKE YOUR
12:45:50PM RAISES AS IT COMES LIKE ANYONE ELSE.
12:45:52PM WHEN YOU APPLY FOR A JOB, THAT'S WHAT YOU DO WHEN RUNNING
12:45:55PM FOR OFFICE, APPLYING FOR A JOB.
12:45:57PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: RESPECTFULLY, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU KNOW
12:46:00PM WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THAT IS THAT EVEN -- YOU KNOW WHAT
12:46:05PM THE SALARY IS WHEN YOU TAKE THE JOB, THAT MAY BE TRUE, BUT
12:46:08PM THAT'S WHY IN THE FLORIDA STATE REPRESENTATIVE WHERE I THINK
12:46:11PM THEIRS IS UNDER $30,000, THAT IS WHY PEOPLE WHO RUN FOR
12:46:16PM OFFICE ARE RICH AND THEY ARE WHITE AT THE STATE LEVEL.
12:46:21PM NOBODY CAN LIVE OFF THAT SALARY.
12:46:23PM YEAH, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING INTO.
12:46:27PM WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE KEEPING PEOPLE OUT.
12:46:30PM THAT IS WHY WE CAN'T GET ANYTHING DONE.
12:46:32PM THAT IS WHY IT'S NOT DIVERSIFIED AT THE STATE LEVEL BECAUSE
12:46:35PM THE SALARY IS BELOW $30,000.
12:46:37PM THEY CAN'T LIVE OFF OF THAT.
12:46:41PM THE LAWYERS WHO HAVE BEEN UP THERE, THEY MAY DO -- WHAT DO
12:46:47PM YOU CALL IT.
12:46:50PM OF COUNCIL AND GET PAID BASED ON THE TIME THEY PUT INTO A
12:46:54PM PARTICULAR CASE OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
12:46:56PM IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE
12:46:58PM GETTING INTO, IT IS RICH WHITE MEN WHO ARE RUNNING THE STATE
12:47:02PM AND MAKING THE DECISIONS THAT THEY ARE MAKING RIGHT NOW
12:47:04PM BECAUSE THAT SALARY IS SO LOW.
12:47:07PM NO ONE CAN LIVE OFF OF $30,000 A YEAR AND GO BACK AND FORTH
12:47:11PM TO TALLAHASSEE AND PAY THEIR BILLS.
12:47:13PM THEY VOTED DOWN EVERY SINGLE TIME, JUST LIKE HOW WE'RE DOING
12:47:17PM THIS, THEY DON'T WANT TO INCREASE THE SALARIES BECAUSE THEY
12:47:19PM KNOW IT WILL CREATE DIVERSITY WITHIN GOVERNMENT IN THE STATE
12:47:23PM OF FLORIDA.
12:47:24PM SO THAT'S MY DEBATE ON THAT.
12:47:25PM I JUST WANTED TO PUSH BACK ON THAT.
12:47:27PM I UNDERSTAND WHAT -- CHECK THIS OUT.
12:47:31PM I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW -- I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE GOT PAID WHEN I
12:47:35PM TOOK THE JOB.
12:47:35PM IT WASN'T ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT IS AN UNFAIR STATEMENT
12:47:40PM BECAUSE WE CAN'T DIVERSIFY.
12:47:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU INTERRUPTED ME -- I DON'T NEED AN
12:47:46PM APOLOGY.
12:47:47PM THAT'S WHAT POLITICS IS ALL ABOUT.
12:47:48PM I DON'T GET MAD AT NO ONE.
12:47:50PM LET ME SAY THIS, IN 1972, I THINK IT WAS OR '70, THE FIRST
12:47:55PM FEMALE GOT ELECTED TO CITY COUNCIL.
12:47:57PM KATHY.
12:48:00PM IN 1974, TWO OTHER FEMALES GOT ELECTED.
12:48:03PM THAT WAS JAN PLATT AND SANDY FREEDMAN.
12:48:06PM SO I HAD THE HONOR AND PRIVILEGE OF WORKING WITH THREE
12:48:09PM FEMALES WHO WERE FANTASTIC.
12:48:10PM THEN I HAD THE PLEASURE IN THE PAST TO WORK WITH OTHER
12:48:13PM FEMALES.
12:48:13PM UP TO THREE IN THE COUNCIL THAT I WORKED.
12:48:15PM I SAW NO PROBLEM ABOUT THAT.
12:48:17PM EVERYBODY RICH IN THE LEGISLATURE?
12:48:20PM I DON'T THINK SUSAN VALDEZ IS RICH.
12:48:23PM I DON'T THINK DRISCOLL IS RICH.
12:48:26PM I DON'T THINK THE PEOPLE IN ST. PETE ARE RICH WORKING THERE.
12:48:28PM IT MIGHT BE A MINORITY, BUT IT'S NOT ALL OF THEM.
12:48:31PM ANYONE CAN GET ELECTED IF YOU START IN THE GROUND LEVEL AND
12:48:36PM KEEP KNOCKING ON DOORS.
12:48:37PM THE PROBLEM IS, THAT THE OLD WAY IS GONE.
12:48:41PM THE FISH FRIES ARE GONE BECAUSE THE FISH WOULDN'T SHOW UP IF
12:48:47PM YOU HAD A FISH FRY.
12:48:49PM NOT AGAINST RACES.
12:48:51PM DOING AN INCREASE SO FAST -- WHEN I KNOW PEOPLE ARE HAVING A
12:48:55PM REALLY, REALLY HARD TIME.
12:48:56PM I DON'T WANT THEM TO THINK THAT WE'RE JUST ABOVE THEM.
12:48:58PM I'M NOT.
12:48:59PM I'M NOT AGAINST RAISES.
12:49:01PM I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, SAY IT A THOUSAND TIMES.
12:49:03PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:49:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND CLENDENIN.
12:49:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A QUESTION FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS
12:49:08PM CLENDENIN AND CARLSON.
12:49:09PM TO DO ANY MOVEMENT ON THIS TODAY, IS WHAT WOULD IT TAKE?
12:49:14PM SO IF WE'RE SAYING THAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO A PERCENTAGE OF
12:49:19PM THE MAYOR'S SALARY, WHAT IS SOMETHING MOVING FORWARD THAT WE
12:49:24PM COULD AGREE ON TODAY?
12:49:27PM I'M ASKING FROM THE TWO OF YOU.
12:49:29PM WHETHER IT BE THIS AND THIS SALARY THAT SHE'S PUT ON THE
12:49:34PM SHEET FOR US AND THEN MOVING FORWARD IT WOULD BE WHAT?
12:49:37PM OR WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
12:49:39PM I JUST WANT TO KNOW.
12:49:41PM LET'S GET IT OUT THERE AND WE CAN VOTE.
12:49:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BEFORE THEY ANSWER, MR. SHELBY.
12:49:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WANT TO BRING TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION AND
12:49:48PM PUBLIC'S ATTENTION WHAT THE CHARTER SAYS WITH REGARD TO THIS
12:49:51PM AT THE PRESENT TIME.
12:49:51PM SECTION 6.06, SALARIES: THE SALARY OR SALARIES OF THE
12:49:56PM OFFICERS OF THE CITY MAY BE INCREASED OR DECREASED AT ANY
12:50:00PM TIME BY THE CONCURRENCE OF THE MAYOR AND A MAJORITY OF NO
12:50:04PM FEWER THAN FOUR VOTES OF THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL WHICH
12:50:08PM CONCURRENCE SHALL BE DOCUMENTED BY RESOLUTION OR ORDINANCE
12:50:11PM OF THE COUNCIL, RECOMMENDED OR APPROVED IN WRITING BY THE
12:50:16PM MAYOR.
12:50:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK: DOES THAT MEAN THAT IF THIS IS WHAT'S
12:50:21PM APPROVED IN THE BUDGET THAT'S COMING IN '25, THAT THAT'S ALL
12:50:26PM WE CAN DO UNLESS THE MAYOR APPROVES IT?
12:50:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, I DON'T WANT TO CALL UPON JUSTIN
12:50:31PM VASKE, BUT IF HE KNOWS -- BECAUSE I KNOW THIS WAS DONE
12:50:35PM PREVIOUSLY.
12:50:35PM THE RAISE OF CITY COUNCIL HISTORICALLY, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS
12:50:38PM THE MAYOR, IF I RECALL, HAS BEEN DONE BY RESOLUTION.
12:50:41PM >> JUSTIN VASKE, LEGAL DEPARTMENT, YES, THAT'S TRUE.
12:50:44PM I HAVE COPIES OF ONE OF THE RESOLUTIONS IF YOU GUYS WANT TO
12:50:47PM SEE IT.
12:50:47PM I CAN PASS IT OUT TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
12:50:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SURE.
12:50:52PM THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
12:50:52PM THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY, FOR BRINGING THAT FORWARD.
12:50:54PM BUT STILL, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT
12:51:01PM POSSIBILITIES BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MAYOR THINKS.
12:51:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK WE DO KNOW THE ADMINISTRATION, AND
12:51:11PM SPECIFICALLY JOHN BENNETT WHO DID THE SALARY ANALYSIS LAST
12:51:15PM CYCLE, SO WE DO KNOW KIND OF WHERE THE ADMINISTRATION STANDS
12:51:18PM ON THIS, AND WE DID NOT CONCUR.
12:51:25PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, ONE THING I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER AS
12:51:29PM YOU DELIBERATE THIS, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT A
12:51:34PM RAISE.
12:51:35PM MORE LIKE WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID, IT REALLY IS AN
12:51:38PM ADJUSTMENT BECAUSE THE SALARY HAD BEEN STAGNANT AND SET AND
12:51:43PM REALLY HAD FALLEN SO FAR WOEFULLY BEHIND FOR SO MANY
12:51:47PM DECADES.
12:51:47PM THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY LIKE A MERIT RAISE, YOU TRADITIONALLY
12:51:50PM THINK OF A RAISE.
12:51:51PM IT REALLY IS A ONE-TIME ADJUSTMENT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
12:51:55PM THAT'S WHERE MY HEAD IS AT ON THIS AS WELL.
12:51:57PM AND I THINK THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S POINT ON THAT IS WELL
12:52:00PM TAKEN.
12:52:01PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU ASKED ABOUT IT.
12:52:08PM AGAIN, I BELIEVE THAT YOU SET THESE THINGS BASED ON
12:52:13PM SOMETHING MORE CONCRETE AND NOT JUST WHIM.
12:52:16PM SO I WANT TO SEE SOMETHING MORE CONCRETE.
12:52:18PM THAT'S WHY I LIKE -- I WOULD GO WITH WHAT THE MAYOR
12:52:23PM DETERMINED, THE ADMINISTRATION DETERMINED BASED ON -- I
12:52:27PM DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT'S --
12:52:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS.
12:52:30PM I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE SHE GOT IT FROM.
12:52:32PM YOU GOT THIS FROM THE '25 BUDGET FROM CHIEF BEN SUNSET.
12:52:35PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
12:52:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU DID NOT -- I GUESS I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND
12:52:38PM THAT.
12:52:39PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: [INAUDIBLE]
12:52:42PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT ARE YOU REFERRING TO, IF I MAY?
12:52:44PM AND A COPY SO THE PUBLIC SEES.
12:52:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: EITHER SOMETHING LIKE --
12:52:51PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: [INAUDIBLE]
12:52:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: EITHER SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AGAIN,
12:52:55PM ANALYTICAL.
12:52:56PM NOT SOMETHING PULLING OUT OF OUR BEHIND.
12:52:59PM THE ONE YOU HAD IN THERE WAS '24 BASED ON AN ANALYSIS DONE
12:53:09PM BY THE CHIEF OF THE STAFF, IF THIS IS THE FIGURE YOU ARE
12:53:12PM USING THAT WAS BUDGETED IN THE PREVIOUS CYCLE.
12:53:14PM SO THAT I GET IT, BECAUSE IT'S DONE BASED ON AN ANALYSIS OF
12:53:20PM DATA THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BY AN INDEPENDENT -- NOT US,
12:53:23PM BY SOMEBODY ELSE.
12:53:24PM I'M ALSO FINE WITH WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON PROPOSED BECAUSE
12:53:28PM AGAIN IT TIES IT SOMETHING, BECAUSE THE MAYOR'S SALARY IS
12:53:32PM SET BY ANALYTICS.
12:53:35PM HOPEFULLY NOBODY JUST PULLED IT OUT OF THEIR REAR END TO
12:53:38PM MAKE A DETERMINATION OF WHAT THE MAYOR IS WORTH AS FAR AS A
12:53:42PM SALARY.
12:53:43PM IF WE TIED IT TO A PERCENTAGE OF THAT AS FAR AS DUTIES AND
12:53:47PM RESPONSIBILITIES, X PERCENTAGE, I'M OKAY WITH THAT, TOO.
12:53:50PM THAT KIND OF ALSO IN SOME WAYS SIMPLIFIES THINGS A GREAT
12:53:53PM DEAL.
12:53:53PM I'M GOOD WITH SOMETHING THAT IS CONCRETE.
12:53:57PM I JUST DON'T WANT ARBITRARY NUMBERS.
12:54:00PM I THINK THAT'S WRONG.
12:54:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M STILL IN MY QUESTIONING OF THESE TWO, IF
12:54:06PM YOU DON'T MIND.
12:54:07PM MY QUESTION IS, IF THIS IS WHAT CHIEF BENNETT DID, 73,000 IS
12:54:14PM WHAT CHIEF BENNETT SAID, BUT MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, THIS IS
12:54:18PM THE MOVEMENT BUT THEN YOU WANTED IT TO BE TIED TO SOMETHING
12:54:21PM GOING FORWARD.
12:54:22PM WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING LIKE THE COST -- NOT A COST OF
12:54:27PM LIVING, BUT THE RAISE THAT SAY THE ATU GETS BECAUSE THEY GOT
12:54:32PM A 9% RAISE A WHILE BACK.
12:54:34PM WE DIDN'T.
12:54:35PM DO WE WANT TO TIE IT TO LIKE ATU?
12:54:38PM WHAT WOULD YOU WANT TO TIE IT TO IF YOU WANTED TO SEE AN
12:54:43PM INCREASE FROM THERE.
12:54:45PM THAT'S MY QUESTION.
12:54:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HONESTLY, I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ON IT AS
12:54:49PM LONG AS IT'S TIED TO SOMETHING.
12:54:51PM SOMETHING CONCRETE AND FIRM.
12:54:52PM MY ISSUE WITH THIS, AGAIN, KIND OF THE SAME WAY THAT VIERA
12:54:59PM STANDS ON THAT ONE PRINCIPLE.
12:55:00PM I STAND ON THAT PRINCIPLE IS THAT I'M ELECTED TO REPRESENT
12:55:04PM AND MAKE THESE HARD DECISIONS AND REALLY BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR
12:55:08PM THE DECISION THAT I MADE, I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE
12:55:12PM RESPONSIBILITY OF SAYING, OKAY, IF THIS IS WHAT THE SALARY
12:55:14PM IS, THEN THIS IS WHAT THE SALARY IS.
12:55:16PM LET'S GET ON WITH IT, DO IT, DON'T DEFER IT, AND JUST SAY
12:55:21PM THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SET THE SALARY AT.
12:55:23PM I USE WORDS LAST TIME THAT WAS OFFENSIVE --
12:55:29PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: LAST TIME YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T CARE ABOUT
12:55:31PM THE SALARY.
12:55:32PM THAT KIND OF SURPRISED ME.
12:55:33PM DOESN'T MATTER TO ME.
12:55:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET ME ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
12:55:38PM WHAT I MEANT BY THAT, LIKE YOU JUST DESCRIBED, I HAVE THE
12:55:41PM PRIVILEGE OF NOT HAVING TO WORK FOR A SALARY AND STILL I
12:55:45PM UNDERSTAND WHERE MY NEXT MEAL IS COMING FROM.
12:55:49PM I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE BIGGER PICTURE, ABOUT OTHER
12:55:51PM PEOPLE THAT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
12:55:54PM IT'S NOT ABOUT MYSELF.
12:55:55PM I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE THAT PRIVILEGE
12:55:59PM AND DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY.
12:56:01PM NOT JUST FOLKS SITTING TO MY RIGHT AND LEFT BUT PEOPLE
12:56:04PM COMING AFTER US.
12:56:05PM THAT WAS MY CONCERN.
12:56:08PM WHEN I SAID THAT IN MORE OF A TACKY WAY, THAT IS WHAT I WAS
12:56:11PM INTENDING.
12:56:12PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN, I'VE BEEN INFORMED
12:56:15PM BY CTTV THAT IF YOU CAN GO TO THE OVERHEAD SO THAT THE
12:56:21PM PUBLIC CAN SEE WHAT IT IS YOU'RE DISCUSSING BECAUSE THEY ARE
12:56:25PM NOT ABLE TO DO THAT WHILE YOU'RE DISCUSSING IT.
12:56:27PM I'M ASKING THEM TO PUT THAT UP SO AT LEAST THE PUBLIC CAN
12:56:30PM MAKE REFERENCE TO WHAT IT IS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
12:56:32PM MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY HAVE A MINUTE TO TELL YOU, BECAUSE
12:56:34PM YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PROCESS, IF YOU LOOK AT, WE HANDED
12:56:38PM OUT TWO RESOLUTIONS.
12:56:42PM ONE FROM 1998 AND ONE FROM 2005.
12:56:49PM THAT IS THE ONE I'M FAMILIAR WITH, ALTHOUGH WHEN I LOOK BACK
12:56:52PM HOW LONG AGO IT WAS, BUT IT WAS A DISCUSSION THEY HAD.
12:56:56PM IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT SECTION 1, IN 2005, THE ANNUAL SALARY
12:57:04PM WAS INCREASED FROM WHATEVER THE CURRENT AMOUNT WAS TO
12:57:08PM $40,250 EFFECTIVE APRIL 1st, 2007.
12:57:16PM BUT IF YOU LOOK AT SECTION 3, THERE WAS A PROVISION THERE.
12:57:18PM SO WHEN YOU SAY IT'S BEEN FIXED SINCE THEN, THAT'S NOT
12:57:22PM ENTIRELY COMPLETELY ACCURATE BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED WAS, IT
12:57:24PM WAS INCREASED TO 40,250.
12:57:26PM AS YOU CAN SEE, PRESENTLY IT'S NOT.
12:57:29PM BECAUSE THAT COUNCIL IN 2005 PUT IN A PROVISION THAT
12:57:33PM AFFORDED A 3% SALARY INCREASE PROVIDED TO THE SAME 3%
12:57:39PM PROVIDED TO MANAGERIAL, CITY EMPLOYEES, PROVIDED HOWEVER
12:57:42PM THAT THE CITY INCREASE FOR CITY COUNCIL NOT EXCEED 3%
12:57:47PM ANNUALLY.
12:57:47PM SO JUST SO YOU TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS, THAT WAS THE PROCESS
12:57:51PM CREATED BY PREVIOUS CITY COUNCILS AND WHATEVER PROCESS YOU
12:57:55PM DECIDE COULD BE INCORPORATED.
12:57:57PM BUT YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
12:57:59PM AND IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE MAYOR ULTIMATELY.
12:58:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
12:58:03PM I WANT TO FINISH MY LINE OF QUESTIONING AND JUST ASK
12:58:06PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON WHAT HIS CONNECTION WOULD BE IF WE WERE
12:58:09PM TO FOLLOW CHIEF OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, WHAT WOULD YOU
12:58:14PM WANT THE FUTURE TIE-IN TO GO WITH?
12:58:21PM >>BILL CARLSON: MY TWO ISSUES, ONE, IT'S TOO LOW AND, TWO,
12:58:24PM THAT I WANT A FORMULA SO NO CITY COUNCIL HAS TO LOOK AT THIS
12:58:28PM AGAIN.
12:58:28PM THIS IS A FORMULA THEY HAD BEFORE, BUT WHAT IT DID BY
12:58:31PM CAPPING IT AT 3%, IT DIDN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT INFLATION.
12:58:35PM WE'VE EXPERIENCED 9% INFLATION FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, AND WE
12:58:39PM GAVE CITY STAFF RAISES BASED ON THAT INFLATION, AND MANY
12:58:45PM PEOPLE IN THE CITY ARE STILL WAY BEHIND BASED ON INFLATION.
12:58:48PM BUT CITY COUNCIL DID NOT CATCH UP WITH THAT.
12:58:51PM I WANT TO MENTION SOMETHING, A WEEK OR TWO AGO, YOU ALL, I
12:58:56PM VOTED AGAINST IT, PROPOSED A CHARTER AMENDMENT THAT WOULD
12:59:01PM TAKE AWAY THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT FOR SENIOR STAFF, BUT
12:59:05PM NOT FOR CITY COUNCIL.
12:59:06PM SENIOR STAFF NOW ARE EARNING 200,000 PLUS OR 180,000 OR SO.
12:59:11PM AND WHAT YOU WERE SAYING THERE IS THAT MAKING $200,000 A
12:59:16PM YEAR, THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
12:59:20PM ANYMORE, BUT AT $53,000 A YEAR, WE CAN AFFORD TO LIVE IN THE
12:59:25PM CITY OF TAMPA.
12:59:25PM I THINK PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THIS POSITION SHOULD NOT BE
12:59:30PM REQUIRED TO HAVE ANOTHER JOB.
12:59:31PM THEY SHOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO BE INDEPENDENTLY WEALTHY.
12:59:34PM AND WE SHOULD PROMOTE DIVERSITY OF ALL KINDS.
12:59:38PM THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE CHIEF OF STAFF, WHEN HE DID HIS
12:59:41PM ANALYSIS, HE WAS LOOKING AT SOME OTHER CITY COUNCILS.
12:59:44PM THE OTHER CITY COUNCILS ARE ARTIFICIALLY LOW AS WELL.
12:59:47PM IF YOU'RE NOT -- IF YOU'RE LIVING AT OR BELOW THE POVERTY
12:59:51PM LINE, THAT'S NOT A GOOD SITUATION FOR GOOD GOVERNMENT.
12:59:53PM I THINK OVERALL WE HAVE TO PROMOTE GOOD GOVERNMENT AND YOU
12:59:55PM HAVE TO PAY A LIVING WAGE.
12:59:57PM IF YOU ALL DON'T WANT TO USE THE MAYOR, AS THE MAYOR'S
1:00:03PM SALARY AS A GUIDE, HERE IS ANOTHER CHOICE.
1:00:05PM RIGHT NOW IF WE PASSED THIS, WE WOULD BE AT 80% AMI SO WE
1:00:12PM WOULD QUALIFY FOR SUBSIDIES FOR HOUSING BASED ON THE CITY'S
1:00:16PM REQUIREMENT.
01:00:20PM SO HOW ABOUT IF WE BENCHMARK IT AT 100% AMI OR 110% AMI.
01:00:27PM A STANDARD MEASURE AND IT IS EASY TO UNDERSTAND.
01:00:29PM I DON'T KNOW -- IT -- AMI IS -- IS SOMETHING THAT IS -- THAT
01:00:36PM IS WIDELY DISCUSSED.
01:00:37PM IT JUST -- IT -- BUT INSTEAD OF TRACKING IT TO THE MAYOR'S
01:00:41PM SALARY, IT SHOWS HOW ARTIFICIALLY LOW THE SALARIES ARE --
01:00:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY, WE HAVE A DROP DEAD 1:00 FOR
01:00:50PM WORKSHOPS.
01:00:51PM A MOTION TO CONTINUE.
01:00:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK: A MOTION TO CONTINUE FOR 20 MINUTES.
01:00:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION TO CONTINUE FOR 20 MORE
01:00:58PM MINUTES.
01:00:58PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
01:01:00PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: FOR THE RECORD THAT WILL MAKE IT 1:20.
01:01:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, 1:20.
01:01:07PM OKAY, SO MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT -- THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH TIEING
01:01:11PM IT TO AMI, BECAUSE AMI CAN GO UP OR DOWN.
01:01:17PM YOU COULD SAY -- YOU KNOW -- AND SO -- SO YOU WOULD BE
01:01:21PM ADDING A COUPLE MORE CAVEATS THERE, BUT THAT IS DOABLE.
01:01:24PM BUT YOU CAN ALSO -- THAT --
01:01:31PM AND THAT WILL BE A WAY TO SAY IT.
01:01:34PM AND TIE IT TO AMI.
01:01:35PM AND YOU CAN TIE IT TO AMI FOR THIS WHICH IS ABOUT 73.
01:01:42PM 73.5 OR 75.4.
01:01:47PM WHATEVER THE NUMBERS GO -- YEAH, BUT THAT 100%.
01:01:50PM 100% AMI.
01:01:52PM IF YOU WANTED TO, YOU CAN TARGET IT TO 120% AMI.
01:01:59PM >>BILL CARLSON: SORRY I CALCULATED THAT WRONG.
01:02:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK: 120 AMI IF SOMEONE HERE WANTS TO DO THAT
01:02:07PM MATH.
01:02:07PM 120% AMI.
01:02:09PM >> OR IF SOMEBODY HAS A BETTER FORMULA.
01:02:12PM IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE FORMULA I PROPOSE RECONVENE WITH A
01:02:17PM BETTER FORMULA.
01:02:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HATE TO RECONVENE BECAUSE WE ARE HAVING A
01:02:22PM REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION AND APPRECIATE COUNCILWOMAN
01:02:25PM HENDERSON FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.
01:02:26PM BUT WHAT DO PEOPLE THINK ABOUT -- FOR THE FOLKS WILLING.
01:02:30PM BECAUSE A COUPLE OF YOU WHO ARE NOT FOLLOWING DO THIS, AND I
01:02:34PM GET THAT.
01:02:34PM BUT FOR COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN OR MAYBE COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO
01:02:39PM IF HE IS WILLING TO CONSIDER AGAIN.
01:02:42PM WOULD 120% AMI AND KEEP IT TIED TO THAT GOING FORWARD WORK?
01:02:50PM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON?
01:02:51PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WELL, FOR -- FOR ME, WHAT IS PRESENTED ON
01:02:55PM THE PAPER RIGHT NOW IS AT LEAST A STARTING POINT.
01:02:58PM THAT DOES GIVE THAT ONE-TIME SIGNIFICANT -- YOU KNOW IT DOES
01:03:02PM GIVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF AN INCREASE, YOU KNOW, TO THIS
01:03:05PM CURRENT COUNCIL IF WE WERE TO GO AND GET FOUR VOTES FOR
01:03:09PM THAT.
01:03:09PM THAT AND IN ITSELF IS A STARTING POINT.
01:03:13PM BASED ON WHAT WE DO RIGHT NOW WITH THE HR AS FAR AS THE
01:03:17PM ANNUAL RAISE.
01:03:17PM THEY GET THE COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT, RIGHT -- 3%.
01:03:22PM SO AT LEAST THAT IS SOMETHING.
01:03:24PM WHERE WE AT LEAST GIVE THE ONE-TIME INCREASE RIGHT NOW TO
01:03:28PM PUT US IN LINE WITH -- WITH THE -- WHAT IS RECOMMENDED AT
01:03:32PM 73,000.
01:03:34PM AND IF WE NEED TO WORKSHOP IT AFTER ANOTHER FISCAL YEAR OR
01:03:37PM SPEND MORE TIME ON IT AND GET MORE EXPERTISE IN, TO HELP US
01:03:41PM WITH IT, BUT THIS IS AT LEAST THE STARTING POINT TO GIVE US
01:03:44PM -- THE STARTING SALARY OF $73,000 OR TO GIVE COUNCIL --
01:03:49PM $72,000 WITH 3% COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT.
01:03:53PM AND THEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO POSSIBLY BRING IN, YOU KNOW, SOME
01:03:59PM PROFESSIONALS THAT CAN HELP US MAKE A BETTER DECISION ON HOW
01:04:02PM WE LOOK AT IT GOING FORWARD.
01:04:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HOW ABOUT THIS.
01:04:05PM IF -- IF YOU MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT, AND THEN INSTEAD OF
01:04:10PM KEEPING A 3%, TIE IT TO THE RAISES OF ATU.
01:04:14PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I CAN DO THAT.
01:04:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: PERCENTAGE.
01:04:16PM FROM THERE -- BECAUSE WE SOLVED IT FROM RIGHT THIS MOMENT
01:04:20PM AND MAKE A SECOND MOTION TO -- TO ASK ABOUT THE ACTUAL OTHER
01:04:25PM QUESTIONS ABOUT AMI AND --
01:04:30PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: AT LEAST FOR THIS TERM.
01:04:32PM FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE ACTUAL TERM.
01:04:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AT LEAST JUST FOR THIS YEAR.
01:04:37PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ITS TERM IS EASIER.
01:04:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU ARE RIGHT.
01:04:40PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT'S TWO YEARS AND THEN MAKE A DECISION --
01:04:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO CONSIDER THAT,
01:04:46PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, AND COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN?
01:04:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN VIERA
01:04:58PM WAITING TO SPEAK.
01:04:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL WAIT.
01:05:00PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
01:05:02PM I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING BECAUSE -- NUMBER ONE, I REALLY
01:05:05PM APPRECIATE THE CIVIL DISCUSSION.
01:05:06PM WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE SOME CORE DISAGREEMENTS ON SOME ISSUES AND
01:05:10PM EVERYBODY IS WONDERFUL AND EVERYBODY APPRECIATES THAT.
01:05:15PM I DO WANT TO SAY THOUGH, I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY
01:05:17PM DISCUSSION OR ANY DISAGREEMENT, I SHOULD SAY, OF THE IDEA
01:05:20PM THAT WE SHOULD RAISE COUNCIL SALARY AS A BODY TO GET MORE
01:05:25PM DIVERSITY ON HERE.
01:05:26PM THAT -- THAT IS -- THAT IS, IN FACT -- WHEN I FIRST HEARD OF
01:05:30PM THE PAY RAISE, MY FIRST REACTION WAS NOT UNDER ANY
01:05:34PM CIRCUMSTANCES.
01:05:35PM LOOKED AT THIS CLOSER AND I SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS IS
01:05:39PM SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT AGAIN.
01:05:40PM I HAVE MY PRINCIPLES HOW IT IS DONE TO GET A MORE DIVERSE
01:05:43PM BODY HERE.
01:05:44PM WE DO GET MORE PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT AREAS, ETC., WHO ARE
01:05:48PM ABLE TO RUN DIFFERENT PROFESSIONS.
01:05:50PM FOR EXAMPLE, THERE IS A REASON WHY -- NOT AS MUCH COUNCIL,
01:05:53PM BUT IN THE LEGISLATURE, YOU HAVE A TON OF LAWYERS IN THE
01:05:56PM LEGISLATURE BECAUSE OF LAW FIRMS TEND TO BE THE WAY IT IS
01:06:03PM VERY FLEXIBLE -- I AM LUCKY TO HAVE THAT IN MY OWN LIFE AS
01:06:06PM AN ATTORNEY AND EVERYTHING.
01:06:07PM I WILL SAY, THOUGH, RUNNING FOR OFFICE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE
01:06:10PM IS A SACRIFICE.
01:06:11PM BUT IT IS A SACRIFICE, THOUGH, THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN'T
01:06:15PM MAKE WHICH IS WHY WE SHOULD RAISE THE SALARY.
01:06:17PM AGAIN I HAVE MY PRINCIPLE WHEN IT WILL TAKE EFFECT, BUT IN
01:06:21PM OTHER WORDS, THAT ISSUE IS NOT IN DISPUTE.
01:06:23PM THE IDEA THAT THIS WILL BRING ALONG MORE PLURALISTIC,
01:06:29PM DIVERSE CITY COUNCIL.
01:06:30PM THAT ISSUE IS NOT TO SPEAK OF AND BENEFIT NOT IN DISPUTE.
01:06:34PM I DON'T THINK A SUPERMAJORITY OF CITY COUNCIL WILL DISAGREE
01:06:37PM WITH THAT.
01:06:38PM BECAUSE I THINK MOST OF US ARE IN SUPPORT OF A RAISE ONE WAY
01:06:42PM OR THE OTHER.
01:06:43PM I AM GOING TO START TALKING BECAUSE WE HAVE 12 MINUTES I
01:06:47PM THINK IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
01:06:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
01:06:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE OVERHEAD.
01:06:53PM AND I KNOW THIS --
01:07:03PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT.
01:07:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HE HAS BEEN HERE A LONG TIME.
01:07:06PM MIRANDA VIERA FROM 1974 --
01:07:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SPEAK IN THE MICROPHONE.
01:07:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SORRY -- I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THIS --
01:07:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE TO HEAR YOU.
01:07:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: FROM 1974 TO 2022.
01:07:20PM AND THERE ARE FOUR YEARS THERE WHERE THERE WAS NO SALARY
01:07:24PM INCREASE WHEN MAYOR IORIO HAD TO BITE THE BULLET AND SHE DID
01:07:30PM A FANTASTIC JOB.
01:07:31PM HOWEVER, WE LOST OVER 700 EMPLOYEES BECAUSE NO MONEY LEFT TO
01:07:34PM DO ANYTHING ELSE.
01:07:35PM THAT IS WHEN -- WE HAD THE RECESSION AND THINGS WERE --
01:07:39PM INTEREST RATES WERE 16%, 17% OR WHATEVER.
01:07:42PM THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I AM LOOKING AT.
01:07:44PM EVERY TIME YOU SEE AN INCREASE, THERE WAS AN INCREASE ON
01:07:49PM EVERY COUNCIL; HOWEVER, WE DIDN'T TAKE IT LAST YEAR OR THE
01:07:53PM YEAR BEFORE, DON'T BLAME ANYBODY BUT OURSELVES.
01:07:56PM I AM NOT AGAINST A RAISE.
01:07:57PM I JUST DON'T -- YOU TALK OF DIVERSITY HELPING SOMEONE
01:08:02PM RUNNING FOR OFFICE WHO DOESN'T HAVE IT, I AM THE ONE THAT
01:08:06PM FILED THE LAWSUIT IN 1972 TO LET INDIVIDUALS WHO DIDN'T HAVE
01:08:09PM ANY MONEY TO GET ON THE BALLOT WITHOUT WHAT -- WHITE PAYING
01:08:13PM FOR ANY FEES AT ALL.
01:08:14PM DON'T TELL ME ABOUT DIVERSITY.
01:08:16PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
01:08:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:08:20PM >>BILL CARLSON: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, CAN YOU E-MAIL THAT TO
01:08:23PM US?
01:08:24PM I WOULD LOVE A COPY.
01:08:26PM THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT RESEARCH.
01:08:28PM >>BILL CARLSON: HOLD ON A SECOND.
01:08:33PM I WANTED TO SAY -- YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE ARE
01:08:36PM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS -- IS TO INTERPRET THE CHARTER TO
01:08:40PM FIGURE OUT WHICH OF THE MAYOR'S DIRECT REPORTS HAVE TO BE
01:08:44PM APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.
01:08:45PM BUT LET'S SAY WE FULLY DEFINE THAT.
01:08:48PM AND ANOTHER WAY OF MEASURING WOULD BE TO TAKE THE AVERAGE --
01:08:53PM SORRY, A PERCENTAGE OF THE AVERAGE OF THE MAYOR'S DIRECT
01:08:57PM REPORTS.
01:08:57PM THE PEOPLE WE HAVE TO APPROVE.
01:08:59PM RIGHT NOW MOST OF THEM ARE MAKING $180,000, $200,000 A YEAR.
01:09:05PM LET'S SAY IF WE DID AN AVERAGE OF THAT, AND THEN WE TOOK 50%
01:09:11PM OF IT.
01:09:11PM I -- I DON'T SEE HOW ANYBODY COULD JUSTIFY THAT AS A CITY
01:09:18PM COUNCIL MEMBER IS NOT WORTH GETTING PAID 50% OF THE MAYOR'S
01:09:21PM DIRECT REPORTS.
01:09:22PM AND PROBABLY THEY ARE AWORTH A LOT MORE.
01:09:26PM BUT ANOTHER WAY OF DOING IT CREATING A BASKET.
01:09:29PM SO WHAT YOU WOULD DO IS SAY THAT THE -- THAT THE FLOOR WOULD
01:09:33PM BE -- THE -- THE CITY COUNCIL WILL NOT GET PAID LESS THAN
01:09:39PM 50% OF THE AVERAGE OF THE MAYOR'S DIRECT REPORTS.
01:09:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
01:09:42PM BEFORE WE MAKE ANY MOTION, LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
01:09:44PM YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
01:09:47PM >> HI, CARROLL ANN BENNETT, LIFE-LONG TAMPA RESIDENT.
01:09:51PM Y'ALL COULDN'T PAY ME ENOUGH TO DO YOUR JOB.
01:09:54PM WELL, ACTUALLY, IF YOU PAID OFF MY SON'S STUDENT LOANS, I
01:09:58PM WILL DO YOUR JOB, BUT THE CITY DOESN'T THAT KIND OF MONEY.
01:10:02PM SO I WOULD RATHER HAVE HOT POKERS STUCK IN MY EYES THAN TO
01:10:06PM DO YOUR JOB.
01:10:08PM I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, THAT, YOU KNOW, KNEW WHAT
01:10:13PM YOU WERE DOING, BUT NOBODY KNEW WHAT THIS JOB WAS UNTIL YOU
01:10:16PM DO IT.
01:10:16PM NO JOB -- NO JOB YOU KNOW WHAT THAT JOB IS UNTIL YOU
01:10:20PM ACTUALLY DO IT.
01:10:21PM YOU MIGHT THINK YOU KNOW, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW.
01:10:23PM THIS IS A FULL-TIME JOB.
01:10:25PM IT IS AN IMPORTANT JOB.
01:10:26PM THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY HAVE MORE ACCESS TO YOU THAN
01:10:32PM ANYONE ELSE.
01:10:32PM YOU ALL MAKE YOURSELVES AVAILABLE IN PERSON, ON THE PHONE,
01:10:37PM VIA E-MAIL.
01:10:38PM YOU LISTEN TO US.
01:10:40PM YOU WON'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH US.
01:10:42PM YOU WON'T ALWAYS DO WHAT WE WANT, BUT YOU LISTEN TO TO US.
01:10:47PM YOU ARE A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THIS CITY.
01:10:49PM YOUR JOB IS A FULL-TIME JOB.
01:10:52PM YOU SHOULD BE DOING IT FULL-TIME.
01:10:53PM I DON'T WANT YOU DISTRACTED DOING YOUR SECOND OR THIRD JOB
01:10:58PM BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO MAKE ENDS MEET.
01:10:59PM I CAN -- OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I CAN NAME SIX PEOPLE,
01:11:04PM GOOD, SMART, WELL-MEANING, YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED
01:11:08PM IN DOING THIS JOB.
01:11:09PM AND YOU KNOW WHAT THEY ALL SAID?
01:11:11PM I CAN'T AFFORD IT.
01:11:12PM I CANNOT AFFORD TO DO IT.
01:11:13PM PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO COULD DO YOUR JOB AND DO IT WELL, A
01:11:18PM INCLUDING Y'ALL, BUT THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO DO IT.
01:11:21PM SO I -- I UNDERSTAND, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
01:11:27PM I UNDERSTAND DOING IT TO THE NEXT ELECTION.
01:11:29PM AND THAT IS -- THAT IS A POSITION OF INTEGRITY.
01:11:32PM A POSITION EVERYBODY CAN UNDERSTAND.
01:11:34PM A POSITION I CAN EVEN AGREE WITH; HOWEVER, THIS ONE-TIME
01:11:37PM ADJUSTMENT, BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN ARTIFICIALLY LOW MAKES SENSE
01:11:42PM ALSO.
01:11:42PM I WANT TO SAY DURING THE ELECTION SO MUCH BACK AND FORTH
01:11:46PM THEY GAVE THEMSELVES A 42% RAISE.
01:11:49PM I STALKED TO PEOPLE ABOUT IT ENDLESSLY ON SOCIAL MEDIA,
01:11:53PM E-MAIL, PHONE, MY NIGHTLY WALKS.
01:11:55PM EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM WHO -- HOW CAN THEY -- WHEN I
01:11:59PM EXPLAINED TO THEM THAT IT IS A FULL-TIME JOB AND YOU WANT
01:12:02PM GOOD PEOPLE AND GOOD PEOPLE CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE OF THE
01:12:05PM SALARY IS PROHIBITIVE, THEY ALL GOT IT.
01:12:07PM THEY ALL GOT IT.
01:12:09PM EVERY ONE OF THEM.
01:12:10PM THEY JUST NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND IT.
01:12:13PM SO NOW MIGHT BE THE TIME.
01:12:19PM THE ELECTION IS A LITTLE BIT AWAY.
01:12:20PM I UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION.
01:12:21PM AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH IT, BUT IT IS JUST ARTIFICIALLY
01:12:27PM LOW FOR TOO LONG.
01:12:27PM DO SOMETHING NOW.
01:12:28PM TIE IT TO SOMETHING.
01:12:29PM GET IT DONE.
01:12:31PM WE NEED GOOD PEOPLE IN YOUR JOBS.
01:12:33PM WE NEED FOR YOU GUYS TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO CONTINUE IN
01:12:36PM YOUR JOBS.
01:12:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:12:38PM YES, MA'AM.
01:12:39PM >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION TO 1:30.
01:12:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION TO 1:30 FROM COUNCILWOMAN
01:12:45PM HURTAK.
01:12:45PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
01:12:46PM >> HI, I AM VALERIE BULLITT.
01:12:48PM I THINK YOU ALL DESERVE A RAISE.
01:12:51PM NOBODY SHOULD BE LIVING AND DOING THE JOB THAT YOU ALL ARE
01:12:54PM YOU DOING AND GETTING PAID BELOW POVERTY LEVEL.
01:12:58PM IF YOU DON'T MAKE -- IF THEY ARE GOING TO PAY YOU HOURLY,
01:13:02PM THEY NEED TO PAY YOU AT LEAST $40 AN HOUR.
01:13:04PM IF THEY GIVE YOU SALARY, NEED TO GIVE YOU ABOUT $75,000 BE A
01:13:08PM YEAR.
01:13:08PM AND I AGREE -- Y'ALL MAKE THE SAME -- Y'ALL DON'T HAVE THE
01:13:14PM SAME RESPONSIBILITIES THAT THE MAY I DON'T REMEMBER HAVE,
01:13:17PM BUT Y'ALL DO HAVE SOME HEAVY RESPONSIBILITIES.
01:13:19PM AND I THINK Y'ALL SHOULD BE MAKING AT LEAST $80 THOUSAND IN
01:13:24PM IF NOT $100,000 A YEAR.
01:13:26PM AND THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SO MUCH TO SAY ABOUT Y'ALL, HOW MUCH
01:13:30PM Y'ALL MAKE AND ABOUT GETTING A RAISE LIKE THIS.
01:13:32PM THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE MAKING $200,000 A YEAR.
01:13:36PM AND FOR ME, I KNOW HOW MUCH I AM GOING TO MAKE WHEN I GO ON
01:13:41PM THE JOB, BUT I ALSO GO ON THAT JOB TO DO MY BEST TO GET A
01:13:45PM PROMOTION.
01:13:46PM I WANT TO BE THE BOSS LADY.
01:13:47PM SOME THAT YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO GET.
01:13:50PM YEAH, I KNEW WHAT I WAS GOING TO GET.
01:13:52PM BUT I KNOW WHAT I WANT TO.
01:13:53PM AND I BELIEVE THE IF YOU PAY PEOPLE THE RIGHT WAYS, THEY ARE
01:13:59PM DEDICATE AND MORE COMMITTED TO THEIR JOB.
01:14:01PM THANK YOU.
01:14:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
01:14:04PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:14:05PM YES, SIR.
01:14:06PM >> MENTESNOT.
01:14:08PM I WANT TO SAY THAT WE HAVE TO USE CITY COUNCILMAN KEVIN
01:14:15PM WHITE AS AN EXAMPLE.
01:14:17PM WE HAVE TO.
01:14:20PM WE HAVE TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO DO IN THIS POSITION,
01:14:24PM SERVING IN THIS CAPACITY, NOT ONLY HERE AND NOT ONLY NOW.
01:14:29PM IT IS NOT A CONTEMPORARY ISSUE.
01:14:31PM IT IS A HISTORICAL ISSUE WHERE PEOPLE WORKING IN GOVERNMENT
01:14:35PM AS ELECTED OFFICIALS HAVE TO DO ALTERNATIVE THINGS THAT
01:14:38PM GOVERNMENT THEMSELVES, LAW ENFORCEMENT SAY IS ILLEGAL.
01:14:42PM AND WE SEE WHAT THE SUPREME COURT SAID YESTERDAY.
01:14:44PM YEAH, WHAT KEVIN WHITE WENT TO PRISON FOR, THE SUPREME COURT
01:14:49PM SAID, HEY, WELL, THAT IS KIND OF COOL.
01:14:52PM RIGHT?
01:14:54PM I THINK IT IS AN INSULT TO ANY CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE
01:15:01PM THAT WHEREAS THE POLICE CHIEF IS MAKING $241,000 A YEAR.
01:15:06PM AND OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS ISN'T MANAGING THAT.
01:15:08PM I THINK THAT EACH AND EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL HERE SHOULD BE
01:15:14PM MAKING EQUIVALENT TO WHAT THE POLICE CHIEF IS MAKING.
01:15:17PM VERY EQUIVALENT.
01:15:20PM NOT $42,000 A YEAR, NOT $52,000 A YEAR.
01:15:25PM NOT $75,000 A YEAR.
01:15:26PM NOT AMI.
01:15:28PM NONE OF THOSE THINGS.
01:15:29PM AND THE COUNCILWOMAN MADE A VERY INTERESTING POINT, ALTHOUGH
01:15:33PM IT WAS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT AND BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION.
01:15:36PM THE COUNCILWOMAN SAID THAT HOME RUN HEY, LOOK, LIKE, SHE
01:15:41PM DIDN'T SAY IT WAS RACIST WHAT WAS GOING ON.
01:15:46PM SHE SAID IT STOPS POTENTIAL DIVERSITY BECAUSE CERTAIN PEOPLE
01:15:52PM AREN'T ATTRACTED TO THE JOB.
01:15:53PM WHO IS GOING TO BE ATTRACTED TO A JOB THAT PAYS $4 ,000 OR
01:15:57PM $52,000 A YEAR?
01:15:59PM AND DOING THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT CITY COUNCIL HELP TIFFS
01:16:02PM HAVE TO DO.
01:16:02PM I THINK THE CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVES SHOULD MAKE
01:16:07PM EQUIVALENT TO WHAT THE POLICE CHIEF MAKE.
01:16:10PM OR BETTER.
01:16:10PM IT IS A GREAT DUTY AND RESPONSIBILITY.
01:16:14PM IT'S -- ONE PERSON SAID A LOT OF ACCESSIBILITY.
01:16:19PM YOU DO HAVE ACCESS TO YOUR CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVES.
01:16:24PM MANY INSTANCES YOU CAN CALL THEIR OFFICE AND YOU GET A
01:16:27PM RESPONSE, UNLIKE OTHER OFFICES WHERE YOU DON'T GET A
01:16:30PM RESPONSE.
01:16:31PM UNLIKE PEOPLE IN CODE ENFORCEMENT MAKING $100,000, $150,000
01:16:37PM A YEAR AND CALL DOWN THERE AND NEVER GET SOMETHING SOLVED.
01:16:41PM CONSTRUCTION SERVICES, SAME THING.
01:16:44PM DIFFERENT PLACES, SAME THING.
01:16:46PM THEY ARE MAKING BIG SALARIES.
01:16:48PM EVEN PEOPLE IN WASTE MANAGEMENT.
01:16:50PM PEOPLE IN THE SANITATION -- IN THE SANITATION DEPARTMENT
01:16:52PM THAT IS MAKING TWICE AS MUCH AS CITY COUNCIL
01:16:57PM REPRESENTATIVES.
01:16:58PM I THINK THIS SHOULDN'T BE ANY SHAME IN YOUR GAME IN GIVING
01:17:01PM YOURSELF A RAISE.
01:17:02PM PERIOD.
01:17:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
01:17:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT ARE YOUR NAMES TO THE TWO GENTLEMEN
01:17:09PM WITH YOU.
01:17:09PM >> THIS IS EMMANUEL.
01:17:11PM I AM JAY.
01:17:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
01:17:14PM YES, MA'AM.
01:17:17PM >> I FORGOT MY PAPERWORK.
01:17:19PM STEPHANIE POYNOR.
01:17:21PM I DON'T HAVE ALL OF MY FANCY NUMBERS.
01:17:24PM BUT I WANT TO REMIND YOU OF THIS LITTLE JOKER HERE THE CPI
01:17:29PM AND HOW MUCH YOU GUYS ARE BELOW CPI FROM THAT 2005 THING.
01:17:33PM I THINK LAST TIME WE GOT PRETTY CLOSE.
01:17:36PM AND I APPRECIATE THE LADIES BUSTING A HUMP ON THIS TODAY,
01:17:40PM BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE REALLY CARRYING THE TORCH FOR THIS AND
01:17:44PM I APPRECIATE IT.
01:17:45PM 73,000 IS 38% OF THE MAYOR'S SALARY.
01:17:49PM YOU GOT THIS CLOSE LAST TIME.
01:17:51PM I WAS STUCK BACK MERE AND I COULDN'T SAY ANYTHING.
01:17:53PM IT WAS MAKING ME EXPLODE, BECAUSE IF YOU GUYS COULD AGREE ON
01:17:58PM 38% OR 40% OF THE MAYOR'S SALARY, $50,000 IS 50% IS A LITTLE
01:18:07PM BIT MUCH.
01:18:08PM BUT 38% IS BACK WHEN YOU ARE MAKING A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY
01:18:11PM AND YOU ARE RIGHT AT THE -- YOU ARE RIGHT BELOW -- RIGHT AT
01:18:14PM THE AMI WHICH I HAVE A PROBLEM TIEING IT TOO.
01:18:16PM AND, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO REMEMBER, YOU GAVE, YOU GAVE TPD,
01:18:23PM YOU GAVE FIRE, YOU GAVE THE ATU A 18% INCREASE IN THE LAST
01:18:27PM TWO YEARS.
01:18:28PM AND IT IS NOT -- IT IS NOT ABOUT YOU.
01:18:30PM IT IS NOT ABOUT YOU.
01:18:31PM IT IS ABOUT THOSE BIG BLACK CHAIRS YOU SIT IN.
01:18:34PM IT IS ABOUT WHOSE NAME TAG IS UP THERE.
01:18:36PM IT IS NOT ABOUT YOU.
01:18:37PM AND YOU KNOW THIS MAKES ME INSANE AND YOU KNOW I STIRRED THE
01:18:40PM POT ON THIS 100 TIMES.
01:18:43PM HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE EVER WRITTEN YOU AND SAID THIS IS A BAD
01:18:46PM IDEA?
01:18:47PM CHARLIE, I KNOW YOU HATE THIS IDEA.
01:18:48PM BUT CHARLIE, YOU OWNED YOUR HOUSE BEFORE I WAS BORN.
01:18:53PM YOU BOUGHT THIS HOUSE BEFORE I WAS BORN.
01:18:57PM AND MAKE ANY CONSIDERATION THAT NOT EVERYBODY CAN AFFORD TO
01:19:00PM BE HERE -- I WAS LOOKING AT MORTGAGE DOCUMENTS THE OTHER
01:19:04PM DAY.
01:19:04PM PEOPLE THAT OWN A HOUSE I AM GETTING READY TO SELL, THEY
01:19:07PM BOUGHT THEIR HOUSE IN 1980.
01:19:09PM THEIR HOUSE PAYMENT WAS $259 A MONTH.
01:19:11PM YEAH.
01:19:13PM YES.
01:19:15PM SALARY HAVE INCREASED A LITTLE BIT.
01:19:18PM BUT WE HAVE TO TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION, BECAUSE -- AND
01:19:20PM LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING RIGHT NOW, SOMEBODY IMPLIED THAT I
01:19:24PM HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THIS.
01:19:25PM THAT THERE WAS SOME KIND OF PERSONAL ISSUE WITH THIS FOR ME?
01:19:30PM I CAN GUARANTEE YOU RIGHT NOW -- THIS WILL MAKE A LOT OF
01:19:34PM PEOPLE HAPPY.
01:19:34PM I WILL NEVER RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL IF YOU GIVE YOURSELF THIS
01:19:39PM DAMN RAISE.
01:19:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT IS WHY I WILL VOTE.
01:19:44PM >> I WANT TO YOU BE BRAVE.
01:19:45PM BECAUSE THIS REQUIRES YOU TO BE BRAVE AND DO THE RIGHT
01:19:48PM THING.
01:19:48PM AND BEING BRAVE SOMETIMES IS A LITTLE BIT SCARY, BUT IN THIS
01:19:53PM PARTICULAR SITUATION.
01:19:53PM I WATCHED THIS CONVERSATION FOUR DIFFERENT TIMES NOW.
01:19:56PM BE BRAVE.
01:19:57PM DO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR THOSE SEATS YOU SIT IN.
01:20:00PM I WANT TO SEE MY FABULOUS NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS RUNNING FOR
01:20:04PM THESE CITY COUNCIL SEATS EVENTUALLY.
01:20:07PM WE SEE THEM IN HERE WEEK AFTER WEEK.
01:20:10PM THOSE PEOPLE WHO COME.
01:20:11PM BOBBY CREIGHTON.
01:20:13PM MIMI MARTINEZ, IAN RIVERA.
01:20:17PM THOSE ARE THE LEADERS OF THE FUTURE OF THE CITY AND WE HAVE
01:20:20PM TO DO IT FOR THEM, NOT FOR YOU.
01:20:22PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:20:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
01:20:25PM YOU ARE THE ORIGINATOR OF THE MOTION AND START YOU WITH
01:20:27PM FIRST AND THEN COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
01:20:29PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY.
01:20:31PM THANK YOU, PUBLIC.
01:20:33PM LIKE, REGULAR PUBLIC.
01:20:35PM THIS VERY NICE PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE WE DO AGREE AND
01:20:40PM DISAGREE WITH.
01:20:41PM I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU SPEAKING YOUR MIND TODAY.
01:20:44PM I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE TAKE THE SALARY THAT HAS BEEN
01:20:48PM PRESENTED TODAY.
01:20:50PM AND ONLY FOR THE REST OF OUR -- FOR THIS ELECTED TERM COST
01:20:57PM OF LIVING ADJUSTMENTS THAT ARE MADE JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE
01:21:00PM FOR NOW.
01:21:01PM AND THEN DIVE INTO A BETTER SITUATION THAT WE CAN VOTE UPON
01:21:06PM FOR THE NEXT ELECTION CYCLE.
01:21:08PM YOU KNOW -- GO AHEAD.
01:21:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN I SECOND WITH AN AMENDMENT?
01:21:14PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
01:21:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: TO TIE IT -- TO BE MORE SPECIFIC.
01:21:17PM TO TIE IT TO THE RAISES OF ATU.
01:21:19PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ATU.
01:21:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK: PERCENTAGE OF ATU.
01:21:24PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES, I DID WRITE THIS DOWN.
01:21:26PM THIS -- REMANDS DERR OF THE ELECTION CYCLE TIED TO THE ATU
01:21:31PM UNION NEGOTIATED INCREASE.
01:21:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THEN FROM THERE ON -- THEN DO A SECOND MOTION
01:21:37PM TO BRING THIS BACK TO DISCUSS FUTURE -- WOULD YOU BE
01:21:40PM FOLLOWING DO THAT.
01:21:41PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: FOR THE NEXT ELECTION?
01:21:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NEXT ELECTION CYCLE.
01:21:44PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SEPARATE MOTION?
01:21:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AND --
01:21:49PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: CAN I GET A SECOND?
01:21:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I SECOND IT WITH THAT CONDITION.
01:21:53PM MR. SHELBY, THIS WILL GO FOR ITS NEXT CALENDAR YEAR.
01:21:56PM NOT STARTING RIGHT NOW, BUT FISCAL YEAR '25.
01:22:00PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: FISCAL YEAR '25.
01:22:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OCTOBER 1.
01:22:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT YOU WILL NEED IN YOUR RESOLUTION JUST
01:22:08PM AS YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, NOT ONLY THE REQUEST BUT THE
01:22:11PM PROCESS.
01:22:11PM CAN YOU WRAP THE TWO TOGETHER?
01:22:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY PROCESS?
01:22:15PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IN OTHER WORDS -- LET ME SEE IF I CAN UNDER
01:22:19PM UNDERSTAND THE MOTION IF I CAN AS AMEND.
01:22:22PM WHAT AMOUNT ARE YOU REQUESTING.
01:22:24PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: $37,000.
01:22:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NUMBER ONE, THE ONE THAT SAID --
01:22:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK: $75,190.
01:22:33PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHICHEVER NEXT ONE FOR '25.
01:22:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: LOOKING AT NUMBER 4 ON THE SHEET PUT UP ON
01:22:40PM THE SCREEN.
01:22:43PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: 75 NOW, 190.
01:22:47PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: EFFECTIVE.
01:22:48PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OCTOBER 1.
01:22:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: FISCAL YEAR OF FY 2025.
01:22:52PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
01:22:54PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WAS PART OF THE MOTION.
01:22:56PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THE AMENDMENT OF THE ATU NEGOTIATED
01:22:59PM INCREASE.
01:23:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: GOING FORWARD.
01:23:01PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: GOING FORWARD.
01:23:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHATEVER THE ATU GETS, WE WOULD MATCH
01:23:05PM IT.
01:23:06PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: AN AN ANNUAL BASIS?
01:23:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CORRECT.
01:23:09PM THAT IS JUST FOR THIS COUNCIL.
01:23:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FUTURE COUNCIL IS ANOTHER DISCUSSION.
01:23:16PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ASKING FOR A SUNSET PROVISION NEWT THIS.
01:23:19PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: NOT ABOUT SUNSET BUT NOR THIS TERM.
01:23:24PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU WANT A RESOLUTION JUST FOR THE FY 2025.
01:23:28PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THE COUNCIL'S TERM.
01:23:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS GOES UNTIL MAY 1, 2027.
01:23:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR.
01:23:40PM >> SHORERY, THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR FOR 2027 -- IS THAT
01:23:46PM DOABLE?
01:23:47PM WE ARE NOT DONE.
01:23:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN I INTERJECT ON THAT.
01:23:52PM YOU WANT TO EXPRESS THAT AS AN INTENT BUT AS MARTIN SHELBY
01:23:56PM SAID, YOU DON'T WANT TO THAT TO SUNSET.
01:23:59PM MAKE SURE THAT IS THE INTENT BUT CONTINUE DISCUSSION FOR A
01:24:02PM MORE PERMANENT SOLUTION.
01:24:04PM RIGHT NOW THE RESOLUTION --
01:24:05PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: FOR THE FUTURE, CORRECT.
01:24:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO BUILD IN A
01:24:10PM SUNSET.
01:24:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CORRECT.
01:24:12PM SO HOW ABOUT THIS.
01:24:13PM WE JUST -- CAN WE JUST MAKE THAT MOTION AND THEN JUST,
01:24:19PM PERIOD.
01:24:19PM 75,190 WITH AN INCREASE TIED TO ATU.
01:24:24PM THAT WAY IF SOMETHING ELSE DOESN'T PASS, WE AT LEAST HAVE
01:24:27PM SOMETHING.
01:24:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FAIR ENOUGH.
01:24:29PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT WAS THE SECOND.
01:24:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL SECOND THAT TO START FISCAL YEAR '25.
01:24:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MR. SHILL BEE.
01:24:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE?
01:24:40PM THERE IS AN ISSUE THAT WE HAVE TO CLEAR THIS UP.
01:24:42PM THERE IS A DISCUSSION HERE THAT THE CLERK IS WANTING TO
01:24:46PM CONFIRM THAT WE ARE -- YOU ARE TAKING OFFICIAL ACTION ON A
01:24:50PM WORKSHOP SESSION.
01:24:51PM YOU ARE GIVING DIRECTION TO STAFF TO COME BACK WITH MYSELF
01:24:56PM OR WORKING WITH THE CITY BUDGET ANALYST, MR. VASKE IN THE
01:25:04PM LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO COME WITH A RESOLUTION.
01:25:06PM I WILL ASK FOR SUFFICIENT TIME.
01:25:08PM COUNCIL IS NOW GOING ON A TWO-WEEK RECESS.
01:25:11PM NOT TO TAKE FINAL ACTION ON A SUBJECT --
01:25:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE COULDN'T ANYWAY.
01:25:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BRING IT BACK TO THE REST LOUIS, YEAH.
01:25:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BRICK IT BACK.
01:25:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WITH SUFFICIENT TIME.
01:25:22PM THE EFFECTIVE -- THE EFFECTIVE DATE.
01:25:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SEPTEMBER 5.
01:25:26PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SEPTEMBER 5.
01:25:27PM IS IT NOT FULL YET?
01:25:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IT IS CLOSE TO FULL.
01:25:31PM WE HAVE SIX.
01:25:32PM WE HAVE ONE MORE --
01:25:34PM >>BILL CARLSON: HOPEFULLY NOT A DISCUSSION.
01:25:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ALSO A REMINDER THAT THE BUDGET WILL BE
01:25:38PM PRESENTED BY THE MAYOR -- THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET THAT WILL
01:25:41PM NOT TAKE THIS INTO ACCOUNT AND OBJECT I COULDN'T SAYLY WE
01:25:44PM WILL HAVE TO AMENDS.
01:25:45PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: IT WILL TAKE IT INTO ACCOUNT.
01:25:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MISS HENDERSON SAID GOT GOT IT FROM THE CHIEF
01:25:53PM OF STAFF.
01:25:53PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES, THIS IS WHERE WE GOT IT FROM.
01:25:56PM WE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
01:25:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DON'T.
01:25:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SHE IS GOOD.
01:26:00PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I COMMUNICATED.
01:26:01PM I DID MY HOMEWORK.
01:26:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION ON THE FLOOR WITH A SECOND AND
01:26:06PM AN AMENDMENT.
01:26:07PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
01:26:09PM ANY OPPOSED?
01:26:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ROLL CALL.
01:26:13PM >>CLERK: MOTION PASS WHERE IS MIRANDA AND VIERA VOTING NO.
01:26:23PM >>BILL CARLSON: AND ME.
01:26:24PM >>CLERK: MOTION PASSES WITH VIERA, MIRANDA, AND CARSON
01:26:28PM VOTING NO.
01:26:29PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE HAVE SOMETHING.
01:26:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NOW A SECOND MOTION TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION
01:26:36PM ABOUT WHERE WE WANT TO TAKE THIS FOR FUTURE COUNCILS.
01:26:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DO IN '25.
01:26:51PM AFTER JANUARY.
01:26:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS A GOOD IDEA.
01:26:53PM WE HAVE A WORKSHOP SESSION ON THE 30th.
01:26:55PM HOW ABOUT A WORKSHOP SESSION BE IN -- IN FEBRUARY.
01:26:58PM MY ONLY CONCERN ABOUT THAT IS BECAUSE -- OH, THAT IS THE
01:27:02PM BONDING CAPACITY PRESENTATION.
01:27:03PM THAT ACTUALLY WORKS.
01:27:04PM BECAUSE THEN WE COULD JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THAT
01:27:07PM WORKSHOP ALL SURROUNDING MONEY.
01:27:10PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHICH ONE --
01:27:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK: FEBRUARY 27.
01:27:12PM AN ANNUAL PRESENTATION ON BONDING SO WE CAN HAVE IT TIED TO
01:27:16PM THAT.
01:27:16PM AND THAT WILL -- THAT WILL KEEP THAT WORKSHOP FOR BUDGET
01:27:20PM ITEMS ONLY.
01:27:20PM OR FINANCIAL ITEMS.
01:27:26PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECOND.
01:27:26PM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN YOU RESTATE THE MOTION?
01:27:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK: RESTATING THE MOTION THAT WE ARE GOING TO
01:27:30PM HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT -- AND I AM -- I'M GOING TO
01:27:35PM THIS VERY CLEAR.
01:27:36PM I WANT -- WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A MOTION TO DISCUSS FUTURE
01:27:39PM COUNCIL'S SALARY AND WHAT WE SHOULD TIE IT TOO WITH
01:27:44PM COUNCILMEMBERS BRINGING THEIR IDEAS AND SENDING THEM TO THE
01:27:47PM -- TO THE -- ON BASE IN TIME FOR IT TO MAKE IT TO -- TO THE
01:27:58PM WHATEVER -- ON BASE SESSION.
01:28:00PM SO MAKING SURE -- THE MOTION IS TO BRING FORWARD YOUR IDEAS
01:28:09PM WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE GOING FORWARD AND MAKING SURE OFF
01:28:12PM THIS THAT PREPARED IN ENOUGH TIME SO THAT THE PUBLIC IS ABLE
01:28:14PM TO SEE IT AS WELL.
01:28:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION.
01:28:20PM DO WE HAVE A SECOND.
01:28:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND.
01:28:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DISCUSSION WITH COUNCILMAN VIERA.
01:28:24PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU MEAN FUTURE COUNCILS,
01:28:30PM AFTER US.
01:28:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT IS IDEA FOR AFTER US.
01:28:33PM IF WE HAVE THAT BASE SALARY, WHERE DO YOU WANT IT TO GO.
01:28:38PM >>BILL CARLSON: CLARIFY TAKE PLACE AFTER MAY 1.
01:28:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IN EFFECT AFTER MAY THE NEXT ELECTION CYCLE.
01:28:48PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE HAVE TWO MINUTES.
01:28:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SHELBY.
01:28:52PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT, THAT SUGGESTION
01:28:54PM TO SENDS EVERYTHING ON BASE WILL VIOLATE THE SUNSHINE LAW.
01:28:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I APOLOGIZE THEN.
01:29:00PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SOMEBODY WOULD SUBMIT SOMETHING, SEE WHAT
01:29:02PM THE RESPONSES ALREADY ON BASE AND THEN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY
01:29:05PM TO RESPOND.
01:29:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I APOLOGIZE.
01:29:07PM BE READY, BE PREPARED EVERYONE TO HAVE AN IDEA OR TO HAVE
01:29:11PM NOTHING.
01:29:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
01:29:15PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE TAXTU --
01:29:18PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: FOR THIS TERM MIRANDA VIERA COUNCIL.
01:29:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
01:29:22PM ANY OPPOSED?
01:29:23PM WE WILL GO TO NEW BUSINESS.
01:29:24PM I HAVE A COUPLE THINGS HERE.
01:29:25PM FIRST, BY REQUEST OF MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ, I WOULD LIKE TO --
01:29:32PM WAIT, DO YOU HAVE TO READ IT OR DO I SAY IT?
01:29:34PM I WOULD LIKE TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING FOR AUGUST 1, 2024 AT
01:29:38PM 1:30 P.M. TO SUSPEND THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
01:29:41PM WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO READ THE -- ANYTHING FURTHER?
01:29:46PM THE ADDRESS, THE --
01:29:48PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ.
01:29:51PM LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
01:29:52PM A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE SUSPENSION OF THE LOCATION.
01:29:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION TO CONSIDER --
01:29:58PM >>BILL CARLSON: AT LEAST TELL US WHERE IT IS.
01:30:00PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: A MOTION TO SUSPENDS ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE
01:30:04PM SALES.
01:30:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TO CONSIDER THE SUSPENSION OF ALCOHOLIC
01:30:08PM BEVERAGE SALES.
01:30:08PM IT IS ON THE CAUSEWAY.
01:30:10PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: CORRECT.
01:30:11PM PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER --
01:30:15PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THERE IS A REQUEST TO DO IT BEEN YOU MIGHT
01:30:16PM AS WELL JUST ANNOUNCE IT.
01:30:18PM WE ARE HAVING COUNCILMEMBERS REQUEST THE DATE.
01:30:24PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
01:30:26PM DEPARTMENT.
01:30:26PM A NOTICE TO SUSPEND THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE PERMIT AT
01:30:30PM LOCATION 7700 CAUSEWAY BOULEVARD THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA
01:30:34PM ISSUED ON MAY 31 OF THIS YEAR.
01:30:36PM AND IN ORDER FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THAT, THERE MUST BE A
01:30:39PM PUBLIC HEARING.
01:30:41PM AND WE ARE ASKING FOR THAT TO BE SCHEDULED AUGUST 1, 2024 IN
01:30:45PM COUNCIL CHAMBERS, 315 E. KENNEDY AT 1:30.
01:30:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AS EVERYTHING STATED BY MISS
01:30:55PM JOHNSON-VELEZ.
01:30:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND DO WE HAVE A
01:30:57PM SECOND.
01:30:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
01:30:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION -- A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
01:31:01PM MANISCALCO.
01:31:01PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
01:31:03PM ANY DISCUSSION?
01:31:06PM MR. SHELBY?
01:31:08PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
01:31:13PM AN ALCOHOLIC SUSPENSION THAT WILL BE SCHEDULED SOME TIME
01:31:16PM AFTER 1:30 P.M.
01:31:21PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: IT WAS AT 1:30.
01:31:23PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST TO REMIND YOU TWO PRIOR REVIEW
01:31:28PM HEARINGS SCHEDULED FOR 1:0 AND THE THIRD ITEM AFTER THE TWO
01:31:31PM SUSPENSION HEARINGS.
01:31:32PM JUST SO COUNCIL IS AWARE THREE HEARINGS ON THAT DAY AUGUST
01:31:36PM 1.
01:31:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE KNOW.
01:31:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY.
01:31:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
01:31:40PM OPPOSED?
01:31:43PM AYES HAVE IT.
01:31:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS.
01:31:46PM A WEEK OVERDUE.
01:31:48PM IVAN BENSON WITH CCTV AFTER 22 YEARS OF SERVICE.
01:31:52PM I WANT TO THANK HIM FOR HIS YEARS OF SERVICE AND ASSISTANCE
01:31:57PM WITH CITY COUNCIL EVERY THURSDAY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
01:31:59PM WELCOME CHRIS PHILLIPS TAKEN IVAN'S PLACE AND CONTINUE TO
01:32:03PM WORK WITH THE GREAT TEAM AT CCTV.
01:32:05PM BRIAN SULLIVAN AND COMPANY.
01:32:07PM ALL THE GOOD PEOPLE BACK THERE.
01:32:09PM CARLOS RIOS IS CODE ENFORCEMENT RETIRES TOMORROW AFTER 24
01:32:13PM YEARS WITH THE CITY.
01:32:14PM WANT TO THANK HIM FOR THE YEARS OF SERVICE AND ASSISTANCE HE
01:32:18PM ALWAYS PROVIDED TO MY OFFICE AND THIS COMMUNITY OPINION HE
01:32:21PM HAS BEEN WONDERFUL EVERY TIME WE CALL, HE IS THERE AND HE
01:32:23PM GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND AND I WISH HIM WELL IN HIS RETIREMENT.
01:32:27PM CONGRATULATIONS.
01:32:28PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
01:32:28PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVE TWO MOTIONS TO MAKE.
01:32:30PM LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR SPECIAL CALLED BUDGET WORKSHOP
01:32:35PM FISCAL YEAR 2025 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS ON MONDAY
01:32:39PM AUGUST 5, 2024 AT 9 A.M.
01:32:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
01:32:45PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
01:32:46PM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A HART BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETING THAT
01:32:50PM DAY.
01:32:50PM SO I WAS LOOKING AT MY CALENDAR.
01:32:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN WE DO IT IN THE AFTERNOON?
01:32:55PM >>LUIS VIERA: YEAH, I AM GOOD.
01:32:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT TIME ARE YOU ALL FINISHED?
01:32:59PM >>LUIS VIERA: WE ARE TYPICALLY DONE BY 11 --
01:33:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK: 1:30.
01:33:07PM 1:00.
01:33:08PM 1 P.M.
01:33:09PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CHANGE THAT TO AUGUST 5 AT -- THE YEAR
01:33:14PM 2024 AT 1 P.M.
01:33:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMEMBER -- A MOTION
01:33:21PM AND A SECONDS.
01:33:22PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
01:33:23PM YES, SIR.
01:33:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 1 P.M. I WOULD LIKE TO SET A SPECIAL
01:33:28PM CALLED BUDGET WORKSHOP FISCAL 2025 ON MONDAY.
01:33:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA --
01:33:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM NOT GOING TO BE THERE THAT DAY.
01:33:44PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHEN IS IT?
01:33:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MONDAY, AUGUST 19.
01:33:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FOR FULL DISCLOSURE, I AM OUT THE ENTIRE
01:33:53PM WEEK FOR THE DNC CONVENTION.
01:33:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING GOING ON?
01:33:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU HAVE FUN WITHOUT ME.
01:34:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND A SECOND.
01:34:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
01:34:04PM I WANT TO SEE IF I WOKE YOU UP.
01:34:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND.
01:34:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
01:34:09PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
01:34:11PM OPPOSED?
01:34:12PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHAT DATE?
01:34:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AUGUST 19.
01:34:16PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
01:34:17PM >>LUIS VIERA: TWO QUICK ONES.
01:34:18PM I SENT YOU A MEMO ON THE BUDGET AMENDMENT RESOLUTION.
01:34:21PM WE TALKED OF THE FACILITATOR THAT WAS REQUESTED DOING UP TO
01:34:25PM $50,000 AND MR. SHELTER BEE AND BRANDON JORDAN AND WE HAVE
01:34:30PM BEEN WORKING A GREAT DEAL.
01:34:31PM WE FOUND SOMEONE.
01:34:32PM WE SENT HIS INFORMATION.
01:34:33PM AND SO I WANTED TO MOTION FOR A BUDGET AMENDMENT RESOLUTION
01:34:37PM FOR THE RACIAL RECONCILIATION COMMITTEE FACILITATORS IN THE
01:34:43PM AMOUNT OF $50,000 FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024-'25 ON JULY 19.
01:34:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK: QUICK QUESTION.
01:34:50PM DO YOU NEED -- ADD ANY BUFFER SO WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK.
01:34:56PM >>LUIS VIERA: WE GOT IT UNDER $50.
01:34:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK: 50,000 IS THE BUFFER?
01:35:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR.
01:35:05PM OPPOSED.
01:35:09PM >>LUIS VIERA: CONFIRMING JOE GRECO TO THE CITIZEN ADVISORY
01:35:13PM BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD ON JULY 19.
01:35:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GREAT CHOICE.
01:35:18PM I LOVE JOE GRECO.
01:35:20PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
01:35:21PM OPPOSED?
01:35:22PM YES, MA'AM.
01:35:22PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
01:35:23PM HAPPY FOURTH OF JULY WEEKEND, I GUESS.
01:35:26PM HAPPY VACATION.
01:35:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO -- WE
01:35:29PM HAVE -- ON OUR WORKSHOP FOR MANY TIMES.
01:35:32PM BUT WE KEPT GETTING PUSHED BACK BECAUSE OF THE WORKLOAD ON
01:35:35PM THE DISCUSSION OF PDs.
01:35:37PM BY THE WAY IS THIS IS FOR THE SEPTEMBER 26 DATE.
01:35:40PM ALL OF THE ITEMS INCLUDES TO MAY GO SURE IT CAN BE
01:35:43PM ACCOMMODATED.
01:35:44PM I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR CITY COUNCIL TO ADDRESS
01:35:47PM AND HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT PDs ON THE SEPTEMBER 26
01:35:52PM WORKSHOP.
01:35:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND.
01:35:53PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
01:35:55PM OPPOSED?
01:35:57PM ANYTHING ELSE?
01:35:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FORGOT TO MENTION YESTERDAY WAS MY
01:36:01PM WIFE'S BIRTHDAY AND HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO HER.
01:36:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU ARE STILL MARRIED?
01:36:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I TOOK HER OUT.
01:36:07PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: DID YOU FORGET?
01:36:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I TOOK HER OUT.
01:36:12PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: MENTIONING IT PUBLICLY.
01:36:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOUR BIRTHDAY IS MONDAY.
01:36:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YOUR BIRTHDAY IS BEFORE WE COME BACK.
01:36:21PM HAPPY BIRTHDAY ON, I BELIEVE THE SATURDAY BEFORE WE COME
01:36:23PM BACK.
01:36:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 40 YEARS OLD.
01:36:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU LOOK PRETTY BAD FOR 40.
01:36:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I KNOW, I DO.
01:36:33PM I AGREE.
01:36:34PM I SECOND THAT MOTION.
01:36:35PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:36:36PM >>BILL CARLSON: NOTHING.
01:36:38PM HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
01:36:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOTION RECEIVE AND FILE -- ALL IN FAVOR?
01:36:42PM MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
01:36:43PM SECOND FROM.
01:36:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND.
01:36:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
01:36:46PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
01:36:47PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, TWO MORE THINGS.
01:36:51PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: TWO MORE.
01:36:53PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, VERY QUICKLY.
01:36:54PM NUMBER ONE, I SENT OUT A MEMO REQUESTING COUNCIL TO CONSIDER
01:36:58PM AS A FORMALITY BEFORE THE RECESS TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION US
01:37:01PM THAT MADE, YOUR APPOINTMENTS PREVIOUSLY.
01:37:04PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECONDS.
01:37:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
01:37:09PM SECONDED FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
01:37:15PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: CITY COUNCIL WILL BE GOING INTO THE SUMMER
01:37:17PM RECESS.
01:37:18PM THE NEXT TIME THEY RETURN WILL BE ON THURSDAY JULY 18 AT 9
01:37:22PM A.M.
01:37:23PM HAVE A GOOD RECESS.
01:37:24PM OH -- OH, WE DO HAVE --
01:37:27PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: LAST TIME I WORKED THE ENTIRE TIME.
01:37:29PM DARLENE AND I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT VACATION.
01:37:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITS MOTION WAS MADE TO RECEIVE AND FILE
01:37:34PM BY COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
01:37:35PM SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
01:37:38PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I JUMPED THE GUN.
01:37:39PM ONE MORE MEETING TONIGHT AT 5:01.
01:37:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM
01:37:44PM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
01:37:45PM AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
01:37:47PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
01:37:49PM YES, WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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