TAMPA CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL CALL MEETING
THURSDAY, JUNE 13, 2024, 11:00 A.M.
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11:01:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
11:04:52AM WELCOME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
11:04:54AM THIS IS A SPECIAL CALL MEETING TO DISCUSS THE CIT.
11:04:58AM LET'S HAVE ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
11:05:02AM >>THE CLERK: CARLSON?
11:05:03AM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
11:05:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
11:05:05AM >> CLENDENIN?
11:05:06AM HENDERSON?
11:05:07AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT.
11:05:08AM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
11:05:09AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
11:05:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
11:05:11AM >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
11:05:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
11:05:13AM I WANT TO LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT WE HAVE A MEMO RECEIVED
11:05:15AM FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN THAT HE WILL BE UNABLE TO
11:05:18AM ATTEND DUE TO A PREVIOUS OBLIGATION.
11:05:20AM SHOULD HE FINISH EARLY, HE MAY SHOW UP.
11:05:22AM WE'RE GOING TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER THE PRESENTATION SO
11:05:26AM WE CAN HEAR THE INFORMATION AND THEN THE PUBLIC WILL SPEAK.
11:05:28AM CAN I GET A MOTION TO OPEN ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS?
11:05:30AM >> SO MOVED.
11:05:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:05:31AM WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
11:05:33AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:05:34AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:05:34AM AYE.
11:05:35AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:05:36AM I'VE BEEN WAITING ALMOST 30 YEARS FOR THIS DISCUSSION.
11:05:40AM CIT.
11:05:42AM >> 28 TO BE EXACT.
11:05:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 28 TO BE EXACT.
11:05:45AM MAYOR CASTOR, TAKE IT AWAY.
11:05:47AM >>MAYOR CASTOR: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE
11:05:53AM TO DISCUSS THE RENEWAL OF THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX THAT
11:05:57AM WILL BE RENEWED IN 2026 HOPEFULLY AND GO ON FOR 15 YEARS.
11:06:04AM BEFORE I GET INTO THIS DISCUSSION, ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY
11:06:11AM -- RECOGNIZE AND SAY THANK YOU TO COUNTY COMMISSIONER GWEN
11:06:15AM MYERS FOR BEING HERE AND DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR GREG
11:06:18AM HORWEDEL, WHO YOU WILL HEAR FROM IN JUST A MINUTE.
11:06:24AM AS COUNCIL CONSIDERS THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT FOR THE CIT
11:06:28AM AND THE SPECIFIC PROJECT LIST, I'D JUST LIKE TO GIVE YOU A
11:06:32AM VERY QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE CITY'S POSITION AND THEN TURN IT
11:06:37AM OVER TO GREG TO GO IN A LITTLE DEEPER ON THE TIMELINES AND
11:06:42AM THE ENTIRE PROCESS.
11:06:44AM I DON'T HAVE TO TELL COUNCIL HOW CRITICAL THIS FUNDING IS
11:06:51AM FOR OUR COMMUNITY AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
11:06:54AM THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX FUND, THE VERY BASIC OBLIGATION
11:07:01AM OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT, LOOKING AT OUR PUBLIC SAFETY, FIXING
11:07:04AM OUR ROADS, MAKING THOSE SAFER, ENSURING THAT OUR PARKS AND
11:07:08AM RECREATION FACILITIES ARE MAINTAINED AND AVAILABLE FOR OUR
11:07:12AM COMMUNITY.
11:07:13AM FOR 30 YEARS, CITY AND COUNTY LEADERS HAVE BEEN EXCELLENT
11:07:18AM STEWARDS OF THIS TAX FUNDING, OF THIS CIT.
11:07:23AM AND I WANT TO SHOW YOU THAT THESE PROJECTS HAVE AFFECTED
11:07:28AM EVERY SINGLE CORNER OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:07:30AM THEY HAVE BEEN CARRIED OUT THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY.
11:07:34AM NOW, TO SHOW THAT WE'VE BEEN GOOD STEWARDS OF THAT TAX
11:07:38AM FUNDING, I WANT TO SHOW YOU WHERE THAT MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT
11:07:41AM TO DATE.
11:07:42AM AS YOU CAN SEE, $434 MILLION OF FUNDING SO FAR.
11:07:52AM AND THAT HAS BEEN IN BROAD CATEGORIES, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM
11:07:56AM UP THERE.
11:07:56AM AND THEN ALSO, ANYONE HAS THE -- OR THE ABILITY TO REVIEW
11:08:00AM THE SPECIFIC PROJECTS AND, AGAIN, SEE THE VALUE THAT THEY
11:08:04AM HAVE BROUGHT TO EVERY SINGLE NEIGHBORHOOD THROUGHOUT OUR
11:08:08AM CITY, TALKING ABOUT PURCHASING OUR FIRE RESCUE VEHICLES,
11:08:12AM RECREATION CENTER ROOF REPAIRS, REPLACING PLAYGROUND
11:08:17AM EQUIPMENT, BUYING OUR POLICE CRUISERS, FLOOD RELIEF AND ROAD
11:08:22AM IMPROVEMENTS THROUGHOUT OUR CITY.
11:08:26AM WE HAVE ALL COME TO UNDERSTAND THE TRUE SCALE OF OUR
11:08:30AM INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS NOT ONLY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, PLANT
11:08:32AM CITY AND TEMPLE TERRACE, BUT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AS WELL.
11:08:35AM SOME MONTHS AGO, THERE WAS A SPEAKER DURING PUBLIC COMMENT
11:08:41AM THAT INDICATED THAT A MAYOR'S JOB WAS TO DO A LITTLE, A
11:08:44AM LITTLE, A LITTLE, AND THEN PASS IT OFF TO THE NEXT
11:08:47AM ADMINISTRATION.
11:08:47AM AND I WOULD SUBMIT THAT THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE
11:08:52AM FOUND OURSELVES IN THE POSITION THAT WE ARE IN WITH THE
11:08:55AM INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS AND LOOKING AT A LOT OF THE DELAYED
11:08:59AM MAINTENANCE THAT WE HAVE FOUND.
11:09:02AM IT IS OUR JOB TO ACT IN THE PRESENT TO FIX OUR ROADS, TO
11:09:07AM MAKE THEM MORE SAFER, TO ENSURE THAT OUR COMMUNITY REMAINS
11:09:12AM SAFE, AND THAT WE ARE MAINTAINING OUR FACILITIES THROUGHOUT
11:09:16AM THE CITY.
11:09:17AM NOW, THIS IS, AS YOU KNOW, 15-YEAR RENEWAL OF THE FUNDING
11:09:21AM SOURCE THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PAYING FOR 30 YEARS NOW.
11:09:24AM THEY HAVE SEEN THE RESULTS OF THAT, THE POSITIVE RESULTS OF
11:09:26AM THAT, BUT I ALSO WANT TO SHARE SOMETHING, A STATISTIC THAT
11:09:32AM YOU ALL KNOW, THAT AN ESTIMATED 20% OF THIS SALES TAX IS
11:09:36AM PAID BY INDIVIDUALS FROM OUTSIDE OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
11:09:40AM SO THAT'S ALSO AN ISSUE OF FAIRNESS BECAUSE AS THEY TRAVEL
11:09:43AM INTO HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, AS THEY COME INTO OUR CITY, THEY
11:09:46AM ARE USING OUR FACILITIES; THEY ARE USING OUR SERVICES; AND
11:09:51AM THEY ARE ALSO BENEFITING FROM OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
11:09:52AM SO GOING INTO THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS IS A BROAD OVERVIEW OF
11:10:00AM THE SPENDING CATEGORIES THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR THE RENEWALS
11:10:05AM OF THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX.
11:10:07AM NOW, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT THERE IS A SLICE UP THERE FOR
11:10:11AM RAYMOND JAMES AND AMALIE ARENA MAINTENANCE.
11:10:14AM THAT IS A CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION.
11:10:17AM AND AS MY FRIEND, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND I DISCUSSED,
11:10:21AM WHETHER YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE, THIS IS A CONTRACTUAL
11:10:26AM OBLIGATION THAT WE HAVE TO PAY TO MAINTAIN THESE FACILITIES.
11:10:36AM IT IS NOT TO EXPAND THEM OR TO BUILD NEW FACILITIES.
11:10:41AM THIS IS OUR CONTRACT OBLIGATIONS FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF
11:10:45AM THOSE.
11:10:45AM AS YOU CAN ALSO SEE, WE'VE DOUBLED THE AMOUNT, THE
11:10:50AM PERCENTAGE THAT HAS BEEN PUT INTO TRANSPORTATION AS WELL
11:10:53AM BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THE NEEDS OF OUR ROADWAYS AND WHAT WE
11:10:57AM NEED TO DO TO JUST BRING THOSE UP TO MINIMUM STANDARDS.
11:11:04AM SO WHAT I'M ASKING, WHAT WE ARE ASKING OF CITY COUNCIL IS TO
11:11:08AM MOVE THIS ISSUE FORWARD, THE AGREEMENT AND THE PROJECT LIST
11:11:14AM SO THAT IT CAN GO ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER AND BE DECIDED
11:11:19AM BY OUR RESIDENTS AND THE RESIDENTS OF THE OTHER CITIES AND
11:11:22AM THE COUNTY AS WELL.
11:11:25AM I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT YOU EACH GET INVOLVED IN SHARING THE
11:11:29AM VALUE OF THIS FUNDING AND WHAT IT HAS DONE TO OUR CITY AND
11:11:35AM THE CRITICAL NEED FOR IT MOVING FORWARD.
11:11:39AM THE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE WITH FIXING OUR ROADS, WITH ENSURING
11:11:43AM OUR COMMUNITY STAYS SAFE, WITH THE CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS,
11:11:48AM THOSE ARE ALL GOING TO GO THERE.
11:11:50AM THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DISAPPEAR IF THIS CIT RENEWAL IS NOT
11:11:55AM APPROVED.
11:11:56AM WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER REVENUE SOURCE, WHICH
11:12:01AM FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA MEANS OUR GENERAL FUND.
11:12:03AM SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND A REVENUE SOURCE FOR THIS
11:12:09AM ESTIMATED ALMOST $800 MILLION OVER THE NEXT 15 YEARS.
11:12:13AM IT'S NO SECRET THAT OUR CITY IS GROWING.
11:12:17AM WE'RE AMONG THE FASTEST GROWING CITIES IN THE NATION.
11:12:20AM IT'S ESTIMATED THAT WE'LL HAVE AN ADDITIONAL HUNDRED
11:12:23AM THOUSAND RESIDENTS BY 2050 IN OUR CITY.
11:12:27AM AND AS OUR CITY GROWS, OUR NEEDS GROW.
11:12:30AM WE HAVE ALL SEEN THAT OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.
11:12:33AM SO WE HAVE GOT TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE DOING WHAT WE NEED TO
11:12:39AM KEEP OUR FACILITIES MAINTAINED, THAT WE ARE KEEPING OUR
11:12:42AM ROADS UP TO PAR, PAVED, AND ENSURING THAT THEY ARE SAFE AND
11:12:47AM ENSURING THAT THE COMMUNITY, THE CITY OF TAMPA, REMAINS ONE
11:12:52AM OF THE SAFEST CITIES OUR SIZE IN THE NATION.
11:12:55AM SO THIS IS A CRITICAL DECISION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE
11:12:59AM MAKING.
11:12:59AM I THANK YOU ALL NOT ONLY FOR THE DECISIONS THAT YOU WILL
11:13:03AM MAKE IN THIS INTEREST, BUT WHAT YOU DO TO SERVE OUR
11:13:06AM COMMUNITY EACH AND EVERY DAY.
11:13:08AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
11:13:09AM NOW I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR GREG
11:13:13AM HORWEDEL.
11:13:17AM >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.
11:13:18AM IF WE COULD BRING UP THE NEXT PRESENTATION FROM THE COUNTY,
11:13:24AM THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.
11:13:25AM FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS GREG HORWEDEL, DEPUTY COUNTY
11:13:29AM ADMINISTRATOR FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
11:13:30AM I'M DELIGHTED TO BE HERE WITH YOU THIS MORNING.
11:13:32AM THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THE CIT.
11:13:35AM THIS IS, AS THE MAYOR SAID, PRETTY CRITICAL FOR OUR ENTIRE
11:13:40AM COMMUNITY, NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH IS TAMPA, THAT YOU ALL ARE
11:13:43AM THE CENTER CITY FOR THE COUNTY.
11:13:45AM I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S
11:13:47AM BEEN ALLOCATED FOR TAMPA'S NEEDS.
11:13:49AM YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE MAYOR.
11:13:50AM I'LL TALK MORE GLOBALLY ABOUT THE COUNTY'S NEEDS AND GIVE
11:13:54AM YOU SOME BACKGROUND ABOUT HOW THE CIT CAME ABOUT INITIALLY,
11:13:58AM WHAT IT DOES TODAY AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TO DO IN THE
11:14:01AM FUTURE.
11:14:01AM FLORIDA STATUTE 212 GIVES US THE AUTHORITY AS THE COUNTY TO
11:14:19AM PUT THIS ITEM ON THE BALLOT AND TO ACTUALLY LEVY A HALF-CENT
11:14:22AM SALES TAX FOR COMMUNITY INVESTMENT.
11:14:25AM WE CAN ONLY LEVY A HALF CENT BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE A HALF
11:14:29AM CENT THAT GOES FOR THE INDIGENT CARE FUND, AND THAT'S BEEN
11:14:32AM AROUND SINCE 1991, I BELIEVE.
11:14:35AM PHYLLIS BUSANSKY CHAMPIONED THAT.
11:14:39AM IT'S BEEN A LONG-STANDING PRIORITY FOR THE COUNTY
11:14:41AM COMMISSION, AND IT DOES CIRCUMSCRIBE OUR ABILITY TO HAVE A
11:14:47AM PENNY SALES TAX AS PASCO DOES, AS PINELLAS DOES.
11:14:51AM WE ARE LIMITED TO THE HALF CENT.
11:14:54AM IT IS LEVIED PURSUANT TO AN ORDINANCE THAT WAS ADOPTED BY
11:14:58AM THE COUNTY COMMISSION.
11:14:58AM THE PROCEEDS ARE DISTRIBUTED BY AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT OR
11:15:03AM STATE FORMULA.
11:15:04AM I'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT.
11:15:05AM THE ALLOWABLE USES ARE ONLY FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS.
11:15:08AM I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT.
11:15:09AM ALL THE GROUPS THAT I TALKED TO, SOMETIMES ARE CONFUSED WHY
11:15:13AM WE DON'T USE IT TO PAY THE FIREFIGHTERS AND THE FIRE
11:15:16AM STATIONS THAT WE CAN BUILD.
11:15:17AM THIS IS LIMITED BY STATUTE TO THE ALLOWABLE EXPENSES AND
11:15:21AM THOSE ARE CAPITAL EXPENSES ONLY.
11:15:23AM HOWEVER, THEY DID TWEAK THE STATUTE A LITTLE BIT.
11:15:26AM THEY ALLOW FOR LOANS, GRANTS, REBATES FOR ENERGY EFFICIENCY
11:15:30AM AND ALSO FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
11:15:33AM WE DON'T HAVE ANY IN OUR PENDING PROJECT LIST, BUT DO WANT
11:15:37AM TO NOTE THAT THAT IS AN ALLOWABLE EXPENSE.
11:15:39AM THIS DOES EXPIRE IN NOVEMBER OF 2026.
11:15:45AM WE ARE BRINGING IT NOW BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO TAKE
11:15:48AM TWO YEARS FOR ALL OF OUR JURISDICTIONS TO PLAN THE TYPE OF
11:15:51AM MAJOR CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE IN MIND.
11:15:53AM AS THE MAYOR SAID, THIS REVENUE SOURCE IS PAID BY ABOUT 20%.
11:16:00AM THOSE WHO DON'T LIVE IN THE COUNTY.
11:16:03AM IF SOMEBODY CAME TO ME AND SAID I WANT TO PAY 20% OF YOUR
11:16:06AM MORTGAGE AND YOU CAN STILL LIVE IN THE HOUSE AND OWN IT, I'M
11:16:09AM GOING TO TAKE THEM UP ON THAT DEAL, TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST.
11:16:12AM SO IN THE CURRENT ALLOCATION PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN
11:16:20AM 1996 BY ALL THE RESPECTIVE PARTNERS, 25% OF CIT REVENUE OFF
11:16:23AM THE TOP WENT TO TWO SPECIFIC USES.
11:16:26AM ONE WAS FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND ONE WAS TO THE RAYMOND
11:16:30AM JAMES FACILITY.
11:16:31AM I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT JUST FOR A MINUTE.
11:16:35AM YOU'LL SEE THE BOARD, OUR BOARD PUT A DIFFERENT PERCENTAGE
11:16:38AM IN THIS TIME AROUND.
11:16:39AM THE REASON FOR THAT IS IN 1996, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DID NOT
11:16:42AM HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO AS THEY DO NOW, WHICH IS TO HAVE A
11:16:46AM HALF CENT OF THEIR OWN.
11:16:47AM THEY CURRENTLY HAVE THAT IN PLACE, AND THEY ARE USING THAT
11:16:52AM FOR THEIR FACILITIES.
11:16:53AM THEY HAVE THEIR OWN HALF-CENT OPPORTUNITY, AND I EXPECT AT
11:16:56AM SOME POINT WHEN IT'S READY TO BE RENEWED THEY'LL HAVE THAT
11:16:59AM ISSUE ON THE BALLOT AS WELL.
11:17:01AM IT WAS APPROVED FAIRLY SIGNIFICANTLY BY THE VOTERS WHEN IT
11:17:04AM WAS FIRST ON THE BALLOT LAST TIME.
11:17:06AM THE OTHER PIECE WAS A $9 MILLION CONTRIBUTION TOWARD DEBT
11:17:10AM SERVICE FOR THE STADIUM CONSTRUCTION.
11:17:13AM IN '96, WE HAD NEW OWNERSHIP FOR THE BUCCANEERS.
11:17:16AM THEY SAID, QUITE FRANKLY, IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD US A
11:17:22AM STADIUM, WE'LL LOOK AT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES IN OTHER
11:17:24AM COMMUNITIES.
11:17:25AM THERE ARE ONLY 32 TEAMS IN THE COUNTRY, AND THERE ARE LOTS
11:17:27AM OF CITIES THAT WON'T THOSE TEAMS.
11:17:29AM WE DID HAVE IT ON THE BALLOT.
11:17:31AM THE VOTERS APPROVED IT, SO WE HAD $9 MILLION ANNUALLY THAT
11:17:35AM WENT FOR DEBT SERVICE.
11:17:36AM APPROXIMATELY 9% OF THE OVERALL AMOUNT THROUGHOUT THE YEARS,
11:17:40AM THE LAST 28 YEARS, HAS GONE TOWARD THE STADIUM.
11:17:43AM THE REMAINING REVENUE IS DISTRIBUTED BY POPULATION BASED
11:17:49AM STATE SHARED SALES TAX FORMULA.
11:17:51AM AND UNDER THAT FORMULA, THE COUNTY RECEIVES ABOUT 75%.
11:17:55AM TAMPA RECEIVES ABOUT 22%.
11:17:57AM PLANT CITY AND TEMPLE TERRACE, BASED ON THEIR POPULATION,
11:18:00AM LOWER AMOUNTS.
11:18:01AM BY RECIPIENT ORGANIZATION, THAT MEANS THAT OVER THE PAST 28
11:18:09AM YEARS, THE COUNTY HAS RECEIVED APPROXIMATELY $1.2 BILLION.
11:18:13AM THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS RECEIVED 655 MILLION.
11:18:18AM CITY OF TAMPA IMPORTANTLY HAS RECEIVED ALMOST 400 MILLION.
11:18:20AM SPORTS AUTHORITY, AGAIN, FOR THE STADIUM HAS RECEIVED 262,
11:18:25AM APPROXIMATELY 262 MILLION, AND PLANT CITY AND TEMPLE
11:18:28AM TERRACE, AGAIN, SMALLER AMOUNTS.
11:18:30AM EXPENDITURES BY CATEGORY, ALL AGENCIES HAVE REPORTED TO US
11:18:35AM WHAT THE PROJECTS ARE.
11:18:37AM I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE HERE AND WHO MIGHT BE LISTENING TO GO
11:18:40AM TO HCFL.GOV/CIT.
11:18:43AM EVERY SINGLE PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN FUNDED OR COMPLETED OVER
11:18:48AM THE PAST 28 YEARS IS AVAILABLE, SO YOU CAN GO SEE THE
11:18:52AM FUNDING THAT WAS ALLOCATED.
11:18:53AM THE STATUS OF THE PROJECT AND WHETHER IT'S BEEN COMPLETED OR
11:18:57AM NOT.
11:18:57AM I BELIEVE THE MAYOR SAID -- AND I ECHO THIS -- I BELIEVE THE
11:19:00AM CITY AND THE COUNTY HAVE BEEN GOOD STEWARDS OF TAXPAYER
11:19:03AM DOLLARS.
11:19:03AM WE'LL SHOW YOU SOME OF THE EXPENDITURES SPECIFICALLY FOR THE
11:19:06AM COUNTY.
11:19:07AM I KNOW THE MAYOR TALKED ABOUT YOUR NEEDS AND THEY ARE
11:19:09AM ROUGHLY SIMILAR TO THE COUNTY'S OVERALL NEEDS.
11:19:12AM BUT AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE LIST, THERE ARE LOTS OF PROJECTS
11:19:15AM THAT ARE RELATED TO BRIDGES, INTERSECTIONS, STORMWATER,
11:19:20AM POLICE AND FIRE.
11:19:21AM IT'S REALLY BEEN A VERY BROAD TAX THAT WE'VE USED FOR VERY
11:19:24AM BROAD USES.
11:19:25AM WE'VE EXPENDED A LITTLE OVER A BILLION DOLLARS THROUGH
11:19:31AM FISCAL YEAR '22.
11:19:33AM PEOPLE ARE SOMEWHAT SURPRISED WHEN I TELL THEM THAT ALMOST
11:19:35AM 50%, 49%, HAS BEEN SPENT IN THE COUNTY ON TRANSPORTATION.
11:19:41AM THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
11:19:44AM FOR EVERYONE WHO THINKS OUR TRANSPORTATION NETWORK IS NOT
11:19:46AM THAT GREAT -- AND I KNOW I HEAR ABOUT IT QUITE OFTEN -- IT
11:19:51AM WOULD BE EVEN WORST IF WE DID NOT HAVE HALF A BILLION
11:19:54AM DOLLARS THAT WAS SPENT ON COUNTY ROADS IN THE LAST 28 YEARS.
11:19:58AM NEXT, PUBLIC SAFETY, THAT MEANS POLICE AND FIRE.
11:20:02AM PARKS AND RECREATION, ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT COMPONENT FOR US,
11:20:05AM BUT I KNOW IT'S ALSO SIGNIFICANT FOR YOU ALL.
11:20:08AM THESE ARE SOME PICTURES THAT CITY STAFF GRACIOUSLY PROVIDED
11:20:14AM OF PROJECTS THAT HAD BEEN FUNDED.
11:20:17AM THEY ARE A REPRESENTATIVE EXAMPLE OF THE TYPES OF THINGS
11:20:19AM THAT YOU ALL HAVE USED, THE DOLLARS THAT ARE APPORTIONED TO
11:20:23AM YOU SO YOU CAN SEE THE IMPACT IT'S MADE IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
11:20:26AM I FIND THIS PART REALLY INTERESTING.
11:20:30AM WE'VE AVERAGED ABOUT 23,000 PEOPLE SINCE 1996 WHO HAVE MOVED
11:20:35AM INTO HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
11:20:38AM WITH THAT LEVEL OF GROWTH, WE'RE EXPECTING IT TO CONTINUE TO
11:20:41AM BE QUITE FRANK.
11:20:43AM PEOPLE DO WANT TO MOVE HERE THANKS TO FANTASTIC PROJECTS THE
11:20:49AM CITY HAS DONE AND THINGS THE COUNTY HAS DONE TO MAKE OUR
11:20:51AM AREA MORE LIVABLE.
11:20:53AM WE CONTINUE TO SEE POPULATION GROWTH.
11:20:54AM WE ESTIMATE THERE WILL BE ALMOST 500,000 ADDITIONAL PEOPLE
11:20:58AM BY 2050.
11:20:59AM THAT WOULD BRING OUR COUNTYWIDE POPULATION TO APPROXIMATELY
11:21:02AM 2 MILLION PEOPLE, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANT.
11:21:04AM IN FACT, IF YOU REMEMBER -- I'M SURE COUNCILMAN MIRANDA
11:21:09AM PROBABLY DOES REMEMBER -- BACK IN '96, ONE OF THE REASONS
11:21:13AM FOR PASSING THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE WAS BECAUSE THE
11:21:17AM POPULATION GROWTH OUTSTRIPPED BOTH OF OUR COMMUNITIES'
11:21:20AM ABILITY TO FUND NECESSARY INFRASTRUCTURE.
11:21:22AM WE'RE STILL IN THAT SITUATION BECAUSE OF THE VOLUME OF
11:21:25AM PEOPLE WHO HAVE MOVED HERE.
11:21:26AM I WOULD SAY THAT THE VAST AMOUNT OF THE ROUGHLY 70% INCREASE
11:21:33AM OVERALL, 83% OF THAT HAS BEEN IN THE UNINCORPORATED COUNTY.
11:21:36AM SO WE COMPRISE ABOUT HALF A MILLION PEOPLE.
11:21:39AM IT'S LIKE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, THE CITY OF
11:21:42AM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
11:21:43AM IT INCLUDES BRANDON, RIVERVIEW, AND ALL THOSE OTHER AREAS
11:21:47AM THAT ARE NOT INCORPORATED.
11:21:48AM BUT CITIES HAVE THE NEXT HIGHEST LEVEL OF GROWTH AT 56% AND
11:21:55AM TEMPLE TERRACE AND TAMPA BOTH ARE AT ABOUT 40%.
11:21:57AM IF YOU LOOK AT JUST OUR CALL VOLUME FOR FIRE RESCUE --
11:22:00AM AGAIN, I KNOW THESE NUMBERS ARE ROUGHLY THE SAME FOR YOU
11:22:03AM ALL, THIS REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE -- THE DATES ARE A LITTLE
11:22:07AM BIT DIFFERENT FROM '96 JUST BECAUSE OF THE DATA WE WERE ABLE
11:22:10AM TO COLLECT.
11:22:11AM WE'VE HAD 197% INCREASE IN OUR CALL VOLUME.
11:22:14AM FOR THE SHERIFF, WE'VE HAD 75% INCREASE FROM 2009.
11:22:20AM SO A 1,300,000 CALLS PER YEAR JUST FOR THE SHERIFF'S
11:22:25AM DEPARTMENT.
11:22:26AM THAT'S PHENOMENAL GROWTH AND IT IS LARGELY BASED BECAUSE OF
11:22:29AM THE POPULATION GROWTH THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO SEE.
11:22:32AM I FIND THE GRAPH AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT-HAND CORNER TO BE
11:22:38AM INSTRUCTIVE, AT LEAST FOR THE COUNTY PORTION OF THE
11:22:41AM COMMUNITY.
11:22:41AM WE HAVE 110% GROWTH IN OUR SIDEWALKS, WHICH, FRANKLY, OUR
11:22:48AM SIDEWALK NETWORK AT THE DISTANCE THAT WE HAVE TODAY WOULD
11:22:54AM STRETCH FROM HERE TO SEATTLE.
11:22:56AM IF YOU EVER WANTED TO TAKE A WALK FROM HERE TO SEATTLE, JUST
11:22:59AM GO ON EVERY SINGLE SIDEWALK IN THE UNINCORPORATED COUNTY.
11:23:02AM YOU'LL ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING IN MILES; YOU WON'T REACH
11:23:06AM SEATTLE; YOU'LL STILL BE HERE.
11:23:07AM I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE FOR THE TYPE OF
11:23:11AM EXTENSIVE NETWORK WE HAVE.
11:23:12AM I WILL ALSO SAY GIVEN THE NUMBER OF REPAIRS WE HAVE AND
11:23:15AM FILLING IN THE GAPS, IT WOULD TAKE US APPROXIMATELY $600
11:23:18AM MILLION -- LET THAT SINK IN JUST A MINUTE -- $600 MILLION
11:23:24AM JUST TO FIX ALL OF OUR SIDEWALKS.
11:23:26AM THE ROAD GROWTH IS LESS, AND I THINK THAT IS INSTRUCTIVE.
11:23:34AM WE'VE ONLY HAD 31% GROWTH IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA IN OUR
11:23:37AM ROAD NETWORK.
11:23:38AM I THINK THAT LAGS BEHIND WHAT OUR POPULATION GROWTH HAS
11:23:42AM BEEN.
11:23:42AM IT REALLY IS INDICATIVE OF THE TYPE OF STRUGGLE WE'RE FACING
11:23:46AM TO FUND ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.
11:23:49AM THAT'S WHY THIS IS SUCH A CRITICAL FUNDING SOURCE.
11:23:52AM AS I SAID EARLIER, WE'VE ALREADY INVESTED HALF OF THESE
11:23:56AM DOLLARS IN TRANSPORTATION.
11:23:59AM IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT MONEY, THAT NUMBER WOULD BE FAR
11:24:01AM LOWER, THAT PERCENTAGE WOULD BE FAR LOWER.
11:24:04AM THE FOUR CATEGORIES THAT THE BOARD IDENTIFIED AS ELIGIBLE IN
11:24:10AM 2012, THEY ARE ACTUALLY VERY BROAD.
11:24:12AM THEY ARE THE STATUTORY CATEGORIES.
11:24:14AM THEY ARE TRANSPORTATION, PUBLIC SAFETY, PUBLIC FACILITIES,
11:24:18AM PUBLIC UTILITIES.
11:24:19AM I WON'T READ ALL OF THESE.
11:24:21AM YOU CAN SEE THEM ON THE SCREEN.
11:24:22AM THEY ARE EXACTLY AS THEY SOUND.
11:24:23AM THEY ARE ALL CAPITAL ITEMS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE BETTERMENT
11:24:28AM OF OUR COMMUNITY.
11:24:29AM IMPORTANTLY, I DID WANT TO MENTION, YOU CAN USE DOLLARS LIKE
11:24:32AM THIS FOR REPAIRS.
11:24:33AM SO WE WILL HAVE MONEY THAT GOES TOWARDS SIDEWALK REPAIRS.
11:24:36AM I'M CERTAIN YOU ALL WILL HAVE REPAIR OF YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE
11:24:38AM AS WELL.
11:24:39AM SO BASED UPON OUR ESTIMATES OF RECEIVING $200 MILLION A YEAR
11:24:45AM FROM THIS TAX, IF THE VOTERS CHOOSE TO EXTEND IT, WITH A 3%
11:24:51AM ANNUAL GROWTH RATE, WE'RE PROJECTING THAT OVERALL IN THE 15
11:24:55AM YEARS WE'LL RECEIVE ABOUT $3.7 BILLION.
11:24:59AM AS THAT IS APPORTIONED PER THE FORMULA THAT EXISTS TODAY,
11:25:02AM THE COUNTY WOULD RECEIVE 2.6 BILLION.
11:25:08AM CITY OF TAMPA WOULD RECEIVE 782 MILLION, AND THEN FURTHER
11:25:12AM DOWN THE LINE, PLANT CITY AND TEMPLE TERRACE.
11:25:14AM TIMELINE IS PRETTY IMPORTANT.
11:25:19AM WE'VE DONE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WORK.
11:25:21AM NOT BEEN A WHOLE LOT OF PUBLIC DISCUSSION ABOUT THE AMOUNT
11:25:24AM OF WORK THAT'S GONE ON, BUT AS YOU KNOW, SITTING IN
11:25:26AM GOVERNMENT, THERE IS A LOT OF WORK, KIND OF LIKE AN ICEBERG.
11:25:30AM YOU ONLY SEE THIS PART UP HERE AND THEN A REALLY BIG PART
11:25:33AM UNDERNEATH THAT EVERYBODY HAS SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME ON
11:25:35AM CRAFTING THIS AND GETTING IT TO THE POINT WHERE WE THINK WE
11:25:38AM HAVE ENOUGH SUPPORT TO GET IT ON THE BALLOT.
11:25:40AM THE BOARD HAS ALREADY VOTED TO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT.
11:25:44AM WE ARE HAVING PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETINGS.
11:25:46AM WE AT THE STAFF LEVEL CANNOT SAY ANYTHING IN SUPPORT OR
11:25:50AM AGAINST.
11:25:51AM WE CAN'T ADVOCATE FOR IT.
11:25:52AM BUT CERTAINLY YOU ALL AS ELECTED OFFICIALS AND AS A BODY CAN
11:25:57AM DO THAT.
11:25:57AM STAFFS ARE PROHIBITED FROM DOING ANYTHING OFFICIALLY TO
11:26:00AM ADVOCATE FOR IT.
11:26:01AM WE CAN EDUCATE, AND I THINK, FRANKLY, EVERY GROUP THAT I'VE
11:26:04AM TALKED TO -- AND IT'S BEEN A NUMBER -- UNDERSTANDS THE
11:26:07AM CRITICAL NEED FOR THIS.
11:26:08AM I CAN'T TELL THEM HOW TO VOTE, BUT I CAN PAINT THE PICTURE
11:26:12AM FOR WHAT THESE DOLLARS HAVE DONE AND WHAT WOULD LIKELY
11:26:15AM HAPPEN IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE DOLLARS.
11:26:16AM SO IN JULY, WE WILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON OUR PROJECT
11:26:26AM LIST, JULY 17, PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROJECT LIST AND
11:26:29AM INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH ALL OF OUR PARTNERS.
11:26:31AM THAT IS A CRITICAL MEETING.
11:26:35AM IF YOU CAN ATTEND, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT.
11:26:38AM THERE WILL BE I'M SURE CONVERSATION AMONGST THE BOARD OF
11:26:41AM COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON HOW BEST TO PROCEED WITH THE PROJECT
11:26:43AM LIST THAT THE COUNTY HAS.
11:26:44AM WE DON'T HAVE VETO AUTHORITY OVER YOUR PROJECT LIST, BUT WE
11:26:47AM HAVE PROVIDED THAT TO OUR COMMISSIONERS.
11:26:50AM FRANKLY, IT'S REMARKABLY THE SAME.
11:26:52AM IT'S ALL PUBLIC NEEDS.
11:26:53AM WE'RE TRYING TO MEET ALL THE CAPITAL NEEDS FOR THE
11:26:55AM COMMUNITY, AND YOU ALL, FRANKLY, MIRRORS WHAT WE'RE TRYING
11:26:59AM TO DO.
11:26:59AM WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE AN AUDIT.
11:27:02AM WE'VE HAD THAT A COUPLE OF TIMES BEFORE.
11:27:04AM THAT AUDIT NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED BY SEPTEMBER, AND THEN THE
11:27:09AM RESULTS POSTED BEFORE THE REFERENDUM CAN TAKE PLACE.
11:27:14AM IMPORTANTLY, AUGUST 1 IS THAT DEADLINE FOR ALL OF US TO HAVE
11:27:17AM OUR PROJECT LIST AND OUR INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS APPROVED.
11:27:22AM IF WE DON'T MEET THAT TIMELINE, THE ORDINANCE SAYS IT
11:27:25AM DOESN'T GO ON THE BALLOT.
11:27:27AM THAT'S WHY IT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT, AS THE MAYOR SAID
11:27:29AM EARLIER, FOR US TO TAKE THIS ACTION SOMETIME BEFORE THE
11:27:32AM 17th.
11:27:33AM I'M HOPEFUL THAT WILL BE SOON FOR ALL OF OUR JURISDICTIONS.
11:27:36AM PLANT CITY AND TEMPLE TERRACE ALREADY APPROVED THE
11:27:39AM INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.
11:27:41AM THEY ARE HAVING THEIR PUBLIC HEARING ON THEIR PROJECT LIST
11:27:43AM IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.
11:27:45AM SAME THING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
11:27:47AM OCTOBER WE REST.
11:27:50AM NOVEMBER WE SEE WHAT THE VOTERS THINK OF THE RENEWAL
11:27:55AM PROPOSAL.
11:27:55AM SO THE BOARD DID APPROVE 15-YEAR TERM.
11:28:01AM I'VE HEARD QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY THE BOARD APPROVED 15 YEARS
11:28:05AM INSTEAD OF 30.
11:28:06AM FRANKLY IT IS COMPROMISE.
11:28:07AM I KNOW THERE WERE SOME COMMISSIONERS WHO WANTED TO SEE A
11:28:12AM 30-YEAR TERM.
11:28:13AM THERE WERE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHO WERE RECOGNIZING THAT WE
11:28:16AM HAVE A BOARD WITH COMPETING VIEWS ON HOW THIS TAX -- THE
11:28:21AM TIMELINE FOR HOW THIS TAX OUGHT TO BE EXTENDED.
11:28:24AM AND I WOULD WELCOME COMMISSIONER HARRY COHEN, DISTRICT ONE,
11:28:29AM I BELIEVE BOTH HE AND COMMISSIONER MYERS MIGHT WANT TO SAY A
11:28:33AM COUPLE OF THINGS AFTER I'M DONE.
11:28:35AM HE WAS AN ARCHITECT FOR GETTING THAT COMPROMISED APPROVED BY
11:28:38AM THE BOARD.
11:28:38AM IT'S SOMETHING THAT NOT EVERYONE WAS HAPPY WITH.
11:28:42AM BUT, FRANKLY, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAD TO DO TO GET IT TO
11:28:45AM A POINT WHERE WE COULD PUT IT ON THE BALLOT.
11:28:47AM SO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS INCLUDED AT 5% OFF THE TOP 187.5
11:28:53AM MILLION.
11:28:53AM THEY DID PRESENT A LIST TO US THAT INCLUDED NINE SCHOOLS
11:28:56AM OVER 15 YEARS THAT HAD $244 MILLION.
11:29:00AM I HAVE TALKED WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT.
11:29:01AM THERE ARE OTHER FUNDING OPTIONS TO HELP FILL THE GAP.
11:29:06AM I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT NOW BECAUSE THAT IS A
11:29:08AM COMPLETELY SEPARATE TOPIC.
11:29:10AM HE HAS CONVEYED TO ME THAT HE IS COMFORTABLE THAT THEY CAN
11:29:13AM FILL THE GAPS TO TAKE THE OTHER STEPS NECESSARY.
11:29:17AM PROJECT LIST FOR THE ENTIRE TERM, THAT'S WHY WE'RE WORKING
11:29:19AM ON OURS.
11:29:20AM IN FACT, WE DEFINED IT PRETTY BROADLY.
11:29:24AM WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH A NUMBER OF
11:29:26AM NEEDS IN THE COMMUNITY.
11:29:27AM I WILL SAY THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT ARE
11:29:32AM COUNTYWIDE BENEFIT.
11:29:34AM IN OTHER WORDS, THEY DON'T JUST BENEFIT THE COUNTY.
11:29:36AM THEY BENEFIT ALSO EVERY CITY.
11:29:38AM THE COURT SYSTEM, PET RESOURCES, REGIONAL PARKS
11:29:42AM IMPROVEMENTS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE THINGS THAT OUR
11:29:45AM RESIDENTS WANT AND NEED AND EXPECT TO HAVE AS PART OF GOOD
11:29:49AM GOVERNANCE.
11:29:50AM SO WE'RE PAYING FOR THOSE.
11:29:52AM WE'RE INCLUDING THOSE IN OUR OVERALL PROJECT LIST.
11:29:54AM THERE IS A 70% LIMITATION, AS OUR BOARD DISCUSSED.
11:29:58AM WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME IN 96, ABOUT 95% OF OUR FUNDS WERE
11:30:04AM BONDED ALMOST IMMEDIATELY.
11:30:07AM WHAT THAT DID WAS, PROJECTS GOT DONE, BUT IT ALSO
11:30:11AM CIRCUMSCRIBED THE ABILITY OF ALL OF OUR RESPECTIVE BOARDS TO
11:30:15AM HANDLE ANYTHING THAT MIGHT COME UP, WHETHER AS A RESULT OF
11:30:18AM AN OPPORTUNITY, A NEED, OR A DISASTER WHERE WE HAD TO REPAIR
11:30:22AM SOMETHING.
11:30:23AM IT WAS ONLY UNTIL ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO THAT OUR DEBT SERVICE
11:30:27AM WAS TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAD SOME EXCESS REVENUE.
11:30:30AM IT'S ONLY BEEN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WHERE THAT'S BEEN,
11:30:33AM BECAUSE OF THE GROWTH IN SALES TAX, THAT'S BEEN SIGNIFICANT
11:30:36AM ENOUGH FOR US TO DO OTHER NEW PROJECTS.
11:30:38AM INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT MUST BE REACHED BY AUGUST 1.
11:30:44AM PRIVATE SECTOR OUTREACH IS CRITICAL.
11:30:46AM I MENTIONED THIS TO EVERY GROUP I TALKED TO.
11:30:50AM I CANNOT ADVOCATE FOR THIS.
11:30:51AM I'M NOT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.
11:30:53AM WE ARE PRECLUDED FROM DOING THAT.
11:30:56AM EVERYONE WHO CAN ADVOCATE FOR IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WE'RE
11:31:00AM HOPEFUL THAT THEY DO THAT.
11:31:02AM THAT REALLY CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, AND WITH YOUR
11:31:06AM INDULGENCE, I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR TWO
11:31:09AM COMMISSIONERS TO SAY A FEW BRIEF REMARKS, IF THAT'S OKAY.
11:31:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELCOME, COMMISSIONER HARRY COHEN AND
11:31:15AM GWEN MYERS.
11:31:16AM COME ON UP IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING.
11:31:18AM WELCOME BACK, COMMISSIONER.
11:31:22AM >> THANK YOU.
11:31:23AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING US TODAY.
11:31:25AM LET ME PICK UP WHERE GREG LEFT OFF BY SAYING THAT I AM AN
11:31:32AM UNABASHED ADVOCATE FOR THIS.
11:31:35AM WE REALLY HAVE TO HAVE THIS.
11:31:38AM I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY IT ANY STRONGER.
11:31:40AM WE ALL KNOW THE INFRASTRUCTURE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE.
11:31:44AM THEY ARE DIFFERENT IN SOME WAYS IN THE CITY THAN THEY ARE IN
11:31:49AM THE COUNTY, BUT THEY ARE REALLY ALL DRIVEN BY THE SAME THING
11:31:52AM AND THAT IS JUST UNBELIEVABLE GROWTH THAT WE ARE
11:31:55AM EXPERIENCING.
11:31:56AM FOR US TO HAVE ANY HOPE OF EVEN KEEPING UP WITH OUR CAPITAL
11:32:03AM PROJECTS, WE NEED FOR THIS TO PASS.
11:32:04AM I WOULD URGE EVERYBODY TO REMIND OUR CONSTITUENTS THIS IS
11:32:09AM NOT A NEW TAX.
11:32:11AM IT IS JUST A CONTINUATION OF SOMETHING THAT WE'VE HAD FOR 30
11:32:16AM YEARS THAT HAS PAID FOR AN AWFUL LOT OF THINGS.
11:32:20AM THE POINT THAT MR. HORWEDEL MADE ABOUT PROJECTS THAT ARE
11:32:26AM COUNTYWIDE THAT AFFECT THE CITIES, THAT ALSO INCLUDES MONEY
11:32:31AM FOR COUNTY-OWNED ROADS IN THE CITY, WHICH A LOT OF YOU HAVE
11:32:35AM TALKED TO ME ABOUT OVER THE YEARS IN VARIOUS DIFFERENT
11:32:38AM INCARNATIONS.
11:32:39AM WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK GOING ON NOW ON HOWARD AND ARMENIA AND
11:32:43AM WE HAVE COLUMBUS DRIVE.
11:32:45AM LAST NIGHT WE HEARD ABOUT IMPROVEMENTS ON WESTSHORE AND ALSO
11:32:51AM WATERS AND SLIGH.
11:32:52AM BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS TO REALLY MAKE PROGRESS, TO REALLY
11:32:55AM GET SOME OF THESE LONG-STANDING PROBLEMS SOLVED, THIS MONEY
11:32:59AM IS GOING TO BE CRUCIAL.
11:33:00AM SO THAT IS JUST WHAT MY APPEAL WOULD BE.
11:33:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
11:33:04AM COMMISSIONER MYERS.
11:33:07AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:33:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING.
11:33:09AM >> THE MAYOR SAID THE CRITICAL WORD.
11:33:12AM CRITICAL.
11:33:12AM VERY CRITICAL.
11:33:13AM GREG CAME BACK AND SAID THE SAME THING, CRITICAL.
11:33:17AM IT IS VERY CRITICAL THAT WE RENEW THE CIT TAX.
11:33:20AM WE KNOW MAYOR KILTON FROM PLANT CITY AND MAYOR ROSS FROM
11:33:26AM TEMPLE TERRACE, THEY ARE ON BOARD.
11:33:28AM I'M ASKING THIS COUNCIL TO JOIN US SO THAT WE CAN DO THE
11:33:32AM HEAVY LIFTING TO GET THE TAX PASSED THIS COMING NOVEMBER.
11:33:37AM FOR OUR VOTERS WHO ARE GOING TO BE VOTING, WE NEED YOUR
11:33:40AM HELP.
11:33:40AM IF YOU ARE LISTENING, WE NEED YOUR HELP AS WELL ON NOVEMBER
11:33:44AM 5 TO GET IT PASSED.
11:33:45AM ONCE THE TAX PASS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SIGNAGE SO THAT ALL
11:33:48AM THE VOTERS CAN SEE HOW THE CIT TAX IS WORKING IN THE
11:33:55AM COMMUNITIES.
11:33:55AM THAT SIGNAGE WOULD LET YOU KNOW THE HALF A CENT, WHETHER
11:33:59AM HOWARD AND ARMENIA OR HOWARD AVENUE, WE WANT THEM TO KNOW.
11:34:04AM THE HEAVY LIFTING STARTS WITH US AS ELECTED OFFICIALS.
11:34:08AM I ASK THAT YOU JOIN US, TALK ABOUT IT, AND LET US GET THIS
11:34:12AM PASSED.
11:34:12AM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
11:34:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:34:13AM CALL IT HALF CENT FOR HILLSBOROUGH.
11:34:19AM PENNY FOR PINELLAS, WHATEVER IT IS.
11:34:21AM BUT I WILL TELL YOU, THIS IS -- THIS WILL BE MAKE OR BREAK
11:34:25AM MOVING FORWARD.
11:34:27AM IT KICKED OFF IN 1996.
11:34:30AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WOULD KNOW, WAS COUNTY COMMISSIONER JOE
11:34:37AM CHILLURA, LIKE, THE ARCHITECT OF THIS OR IS IT -- HE
11:34:38AM RECENTLY PASSED AWAY, SO I WANT TO GIVE HIM KUDOS.
11:34:41AM BUT WE SEE HOW THIS WILL GO TO PAVING OUR ROADS, BUILDING
11:34:46AM OUR SIDEWALKS, BUILDING OUR FIRE STATIONS.
11:34:49AM SO MANY THINGS THAT BENEFIT THIS COMMUNITY.
11:34:52AM AGAIN, 20% OF IT IS PAID FOR BY OUTSIDE ENTITIES THAT COME
11:34:57AM AND VISIT HERE.
11:34:57AM IT'S A NO-BRAINER, BUT THE WORD CRITICAL.
11:35:03AM WE HAVE TO DO THIS.
11:35:05AM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:35:05AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
11:35:06AM I HOPE I CAN USE MY FIVE MINUTES.
11:35:08AM I THINK I WILL.
11:35:09AM FIRST OF ALL, I'M NOT AGAINST ANYTHING NOR AM I FOR
11:35:15AM EVERYTHING.
11:35:15AM I TRY TO LOOK THINGS IS IT LOGICAL, CRITICAL.
11:35:19AM EVERYTHING THAT COMES HERE IS CRITICAL.
11:35:21AM EVERYTHING.
11:35:22AM WHEN YOU GO BACK IN HISTORY, GO BACK TO '96, FEBRUARY,
11:35:26AM MARCH, THERE WAS A BALLOT TAKEN ON THE SAME ISSUE WITHOUT
11:35:29AM ONE ITEM OUT, AND IT FAILED MISERABLY BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE
11:35:35AM TALKING TO A CONVENTION THAT HAD EMPTY CHAIRS.
11:35:38AM NO ONE WAS THERE TO LISTEN BECAUSE NO ONE ADVERTISED IT.
11:35:42AM SECONDLY, ALL OF A SUDDEN, SEPTEMBER 6 OF 1996, ANOTHER VOTE
11:35:47AM AND THAT PASSED.
11:35:48AM SURE IT PASSED.
11:35:49AM $494,000 TO ADVERTISE THE NEED OF IT.
11:35:57AM WOULD HAVE PASSED IF DONE IT IN FEBRUARY AND MARCH.
11:36:02AM TO WHAT, ZERO ON THIS SIDE AGAIN.
11:36:04AM IT PASSED BY 1.5%.
11:36:06AM LET'S GO FURTHER.
11:36:07AM THE CITY OF TAMPA GENERATES I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF TAX,
11:36:11AM BUT I KNOW IT COLLECTS ABOUT 15 OR 20 PERCENT OF THE TAX,
11:36:15AM GIVE MORE OR LESS THAN WHAT THE REVENUE IS FROM THE TAX BASE
11:36:17AM IN THE CITY GOING INTO THE TAX.
11:36:19AM THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
11:36:20AM NUMBER TWO, IN THE FINANCIAL OFFICE OF THE CITY HERE AND
11:36:23AM ANYTIME YOU WANT TO CUT ME OFF TO SAY THAT I'M WRONG, I
11:36:26AM ACCEPT IT VERY KINDLY.
11:36:28AM THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS GOING ON.
11:36:30AM FIRST OF ALL, BEFORE THIS TAX PASSED, PREVIOUS OWNER GOT
11:36:37AM ONLY 25% OF THE PARKING REVENUE.
11:36:39AM WHAT DO THEY GET NOW?
11:36:42AM 100 PERCENT.
11:36:43AM SECONDLY, IT WAS 250,000 OR SO DOLLARS EVERY TIME THERE'S AN
11:36:52AM EVENT AT THAT STADIUM, PAID FOR BY THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR THE
11:36:56AM FIRE, POLICE, AND THE GOOD PEOPLE THAT WORK IN PUTTING UP
11:37:00AM THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND BRINGING BACK DOWN ALL THE CONES AND
11:37:03AM SO FORTH, ALL THAT IS NEEDED.
11:37:05AM CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
11:37:07AM IF YOU MULTIPLY BY TEN EVENTS, 250,000.
11:37:10AM MULTIPLY BY 30 YEARS, YOU TELL ME WHAT IT IS.
11:37:15AM DON'T GET ONE PENNY OF THAT.
11:37:18AM SECOND OF ALL, YOU HAVE AN AREA THAT'S EVEN MORE TROUBLING
11:37:24AM TO ME.
11:37:24AM WHEN THE SPORTS AUTHORITY PUTS ON AN EVENT TO CREATE MONEY
11:37:29AM FOR THEMSELVES SO THEY CAN FUNCTION, GUESS WHAT, LET'S SAY
11:37:33AM TAYLOR SWIFT, JUST USING IT AS AN EXAMPLE, COME TO TOWN,
11:37:37AM FIRST $2 MILLION IN PROFIT DOES NOT GO TO THE SPORTS
11:37:39AM AUTHORITY.
11:37:40AM IT GOES TO THEM.
11:37:42AM THEREAFTER, ANY REVENUE THAT'S CREATED IN THAT STADIUM IS
11:37:50AM 50-50 IF THERE IS AN EVENT AT THE STADIUM, WHETHER IT IS A
11:37:54AM CONCERT OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT SOMEBODY SPONSORS.
11:37:56AM IF IT'S SPORTS AUTHORITY SPONSORED, THEY GET HALF OF THE
11:37:59AM PROCEEDS.
11:38:00AM SO I WOULD IMAGINE ON A YEARLY AVERAGE IT'S FOUR OR FIVE
11:38:03AM MILLION.
11:38:04AM I'M JUST TAKING A GUESS.
11:38:05AM TIMES WHAT, 30 YEARS.
11:38:07AM YOU TELL ME WHAT THAT ADDS UP TO.
11:38:09AM I'M NOT AGAINST ANYTHING.
11:38:11AM I JUST WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE VOTING FOR.
11:38:14AM AND I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO SAY WHAT I SAID 30 YEARS AGO.
11:38:19AM IN FACT, I FEEL BETTER NOW THAN I DID 30 YEARS AGO.
11:38:22AM I HAVEN'T GROWN ANY HAIR.
11:38:25AM I ADMIT TO THAT.
11:38:25AM BUT WHERE IS IT THAT WE DO THAT FOR ANY OTHER COMPANY THAT
11:38:31AM COMES TO CITY OF TAMPA OR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY?
11:38:33AM WHERE?
11:38:34AM NOWHERE.
11:38:36AM PLANT CITY GROWS TERRIFIC STRAWBERRIES.
11:38:38AM IF TEMPLE TERRACE GREW STRAWBERRIES AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF
11:38:44AM LAND BUT TAMPA HAS A SMALL ACRE OF LAND AND PRODUCE MORE
11:38:47AM REVENUE OF STRAWBERRIES, NOT MORE STRAWBERRIES, MORE REVENUE
11:38:51AM OF STRAWBERRIES, HOW COME WE'RE NOT GETTING A GREATER
11:38:54AM PORTION?
11:38:54AM LOOK IN A MIRROR AND ASK YOURSELF THAT.
11:38:57AM YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
11:38:59AM SO WE GO ON AND ON AND ON AND REALIZE WHAT WE'RE GETTING
11:39:03AM INTO.
11:39:04AM AND THEN YOU REALIZE BECAUSE THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS AND
11:39:07AM I'VE SEEN NO DETAILS UNTIL TODAY, SO I'M OPEN FOR DISCUSSION
11:39:12AM AS FAR AS MY VOTE.
11:39:13AM I TELL YOU WHAT, UNTIL THESE THINGS ARE ANSWERED AND THE
11:39:17AM PUBLIC IS UNDER A LOT OF STRESS, YOU HAVE THE PIPES PROGRAM
11:39:22AM WE DID IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, 2.9 BILLION.
11:39:25AM AND THANK GOD WE'RE PAYING 53% CASH UP FRONT AS WE GO ALONG
11:39:29AM AND 47% POSSIBLY.
11:39:31AM WHEN YOU BOND OUT THIS MONEY, WHATEVER THE CITY OF TAMPA
11:39:34AM GETS, YOU ONLY GET HALF OF THE PRODUCTION MONEY GOES TO A
11:39:38AM PROJECT.
11:39:38AM THE OTHER HALF IS INTEREST.
11:39:40AM SO THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN DO THIS, IF YOU HAVE NO INTEREST AT
11:39:43AM ALL AND YOU DO A PROJECT -- THANK YOU FOR YOUR FIVE MINUTES,
11:39:47AM MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:39:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS.
11:39:48AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I GIVE UP THE OTHER 30 SECONDS.
11:39:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:39:52AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
11:39:53AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
11:39:54AM I WANTED TO THANK EVERYBODY.
11:39:57AM THE MAYOR, EVERYBODY FROM THE COUNTY FOR BEING HERE.
11:39:59AM YOU KNOW IT'S GOOD.
11:40:01AM I ALWAYS BELIEVED THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA WORKS VERY WELL
11:40:05AM WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
11:40:05AM THAT INCLUDED THE LAST COUNTY COMMISSION, AND THAT INCLUDES
11:40:08AM THIS COUNTY COMMISSION.
11:40:09AM THERE WAS OBVIOUSLY A CHANGE IN PARTY AFFILIATION.
11:40:13AM I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF BEING THE CHAIRPERSON OF HART AND I
11:40:15AM WORK WITH A LOT OF FOLKS ON THE COUNTY COMMISSION,
11:40:18AM REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS, AND WE GET ALONG.
11:40:21AM WE DISAGREE SOMETIMES BUT WE ALWAYS GET ALONG.
11:40:24AM I KNOW THAT'S TRUE.
11:40:25AM I NEVER BUY THE COUNTY-CITY DIVISIONS.
11:40:28AM I REMEMBER 20 YEARS AGO WHEN THAT WAS A BIG THING AND GOD
11:40:32AM WILLING NEVER GO BACK TO THAT.
11:40:34AM I KNOW WE'RE NOT THERE NOW.
11:40:35AM FOR ME, THIS IS JUST COMMON SENSE, WHICH IS IF YOU SUPPORT
11:40:38AM THINGS LIKE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, IF YOU SUPPORT OUR ROADS, IF
11:40:41AM YOU SUPPORT PUBLIC SAFETY, THIS IS COMMON SENSE.
11:40:43AM TO ME, IT IS A MATTER OF MATHEMATICS.
11:40:45AM IF YOU SAY YOU ARE FOR COPS, SAY YOU'RE FOR ROADS, SAY
11:40:48AM YOU'RE FOR FIREFIGHTERS, THEN YOU GOT TO GET THE MATH TO
11:40:51AM SUPPORT THEM.
11:40:51AM THAT'S IT, END OF STORY.
11:40:53AM THIS IS NOT A NEW TAX.
11:40:54AM THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF A TAX WITH A CONTINUED EMPHASIS ON
11:40:58AM THE THINGS THAT WE NEED HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT'S
11:41:01AM IN THE COUNTY OR WHETHER IT'S IN THE CITY.
11:41:03AM AND I'M GLAD THAT FOLKS ARE TALKING ABOUT, FOR LACK OF USE
11:41:07AM OF A BETTER TERM, A CAMPAIGN.
11:41:09AM I LOOK FORWARD TO SPEAKING OUT ON THIS WITH GREAT VIGOR.
11:41:12AM I SEE OUR FRIENDS HERE FROM THE POLICE UNION AND THE FIRE
11:41:15AM UNION.
11:41:15AM I LOOK FORWARD TO SPEAKING WITH MY GOOD FRIENDS AND DOING AS
11:41:20AM MUCH STUFF AS WE CAN DO ON SOCIAL MEDIA TO GET THE WORD OUT
11:41:23AM TO OUR CONSTITUENTS ON HOW THIS IS A DO-OR-DIE MOMENT FOR
11:41:27AM PUBLIC SAFETY.
11:41:28AM I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH PEOPLE WHO -- I HAPPEN TO BE
11:41:31AM A REGISTERED DEMOCRAT.
11:41:32AM OBVIOUSLY, I'M A NONPARTISAN IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, BUT
11:41:36AM HAPPEN TO BE A REGISTERED DEMOCRAT.
11:41:38AM I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH REPUBLICANS TO GET THIS THING
11:41:41AM DONE.
11:41:41AM BECAUSE, AGAIN, THIS TAX, OR REAUTHORIZING IT IS ABOUT TIES
11:41:45AM THAT BIND US ON THINGS WE ALL AGREE ON.
11:41:48AM WE ALL SUPPORT THE -- THE VAST MAJORITY OF US, I THINK, IN
11:41:50AM THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE COUNTY SUPPORT PUBLIC SAFETY, AND
11:41:54AM WE'VE GOT -- AGAIN, IT IS A MATTER OF BASIC MATHEMATICS.
11:41:57AM I LOOK FORWARD HOPEFULLY TO DOING EVENTS AND WHATNOT WITH
11:42:02AM REPUBLICAN ELECTED OFFICIALS AND REPUBLICAN LEADERS TO SHOW
11:42:04AM PEOPLE THAT THIS IS NOT A PARTISAN ISSUE.
11:42:06AM THIS IS NOT A PARTISAN TAX.
11:42:08AM THIS IS SOMETHING THAT REPUBLICAN GROUPS AND DEMOCRATIC
11:42:10AM GROUPS I THINK CAN GET BEHIND.
11:42:11AM AND WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IMPORTANT IN OUR MESSAGING.
11:42:14AM ON THIS ISSUE.
11:42:16AM GLAD TO SUPPORT THIS.
11:42:18AM AGAIN, IT IS A DO OR DIE MOMENT FOR OUR ROADS.
11:42:20AM DO OR DIE MOMENT FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.
11:42:22AM AND DO OR DIE MOMENT FOR SOMETHING THAT IS DO OR DIE IN LIFE
11:42:25AM AND THAT'S PUBLIC SAFETY.
11:42:27AM I'LL BE GLAD TO SUPPORT THIS.
11:42:28AM THANK YOU.
11:42:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CLENDENIN AND HENDERSON.
11:42:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GOOD MORNING.
11:42:31AM ABSOLUTELY A NECESSITY THAT OUR COMMUNITY RENEW THE CIT FOR
11:42:40AM THE NEXT 15 YEARS.
11:42:41AM I APPLAUD THE COUNTY COMMISSION ON THE 70% LIMITATION ON
11:42:45AM BONDED FUNDS.
11:42:46AM I THINK THAT WAS A GOOD MOVE AND FOR THE REASONS THAT HAD
11:42:48AM BEEN EXPRESSED BECAUSE IT PROVIDES FLEXIBILITY IN THE
11:42:51AM FUTURE.
11:42:51AM I THINK IT WAS A WISE DECISION OF THE COUNTY COMMISSION, AND
11:42:56AM IT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE WELL THOUGHT THROUGH FOR OUR
11:43:01AM COMMUNITY.
11:43:02AM ECHOING KIND OF EXACTLY WHAT THE OTHER COUNCILPERSONS HAVE
11:43:07AM SAID IS THAT WE HAVE CRITICAL NEEDS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
11:43:13AM AND WE ARE A COMMUNITY THAT SUPPORTS OUR POLICE AND SUPPORTS
11:43:15AM OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND OUR FIRE.
11:43:19AM THEY HAVE CRITICAL NEEDS.
11:43:20AM THOSE NEEDS HAVE TO BE PAID FOR.
11:43:22AM IF WE DO NOT HAVE THE CIT, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO COME FROM
11:43:26AM SOMEWHERE.
11:43:26AM AND WHERE THAT IS GOING TO BE IS MILLAGE OR MILLAGE
11:43:28AM INCREASES.
11:43:29AM SO IF YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR TAX BASE, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S
11:43:32AM AT, THEN THIS IS CRITICAL FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA BECAUSE
11:43:36AM THOSE -- IT HAS TO BE PAID FOR.
11:43:39AM WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE -- WE CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE CUT-BACKS
11:43:42AM IN PUBLIC SAFETY.
11:43:43AM WE JUST ABSOLUTELY CANNOT DO THAT.
11:43:46AM SO CIT IS AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT TO KEEP OUR CITY FINANCIALLY
11:43:53AM STABLE AND TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE BASIC SERVICES THAT
11:43:56AM PEOPLE EXPECT.
11:43:57AM IN OUR COMMUNITY.
11:43:59AM THE DEVIL IS ALWAYS IN THE DETAILS, AS WE LOOK AT PREPARING
11:44:04AM THE SPENDING LIST AND DOTTING THE Is AND CROSSING THE
11:44:09AM Ts.
11:44:09AM BUT THE BASIC QUESTION IS, ALSO, WE HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN
11:44:14AM FROM OUR COMMUNITY THAT DON'T LIVE IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
11:44:17AM EVERY DAY TO WORK.
11:44:19AM RIGHT NOW, WITHOUT THIS TAX, IT IS A FREE RIDE.
11:44:21AM THIS IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN REALLY RECOUP SOME OF THE COST
11:44:24AM FROM THEM.
11:44:25AM THEY COME IN AND WILL BE PAYING THE TAX AND PART OF THE
11:44:27AM EXPENSES OF THEM WORKING IN OUR CITY.
11:44:30AM SO THIS IS -- A LOT OF THIS IS NOT JUST THE TOURIST.
11:44:33AM IT IS THE DAY TOURIST.
11:44:34AM IT IS THE PEOPLE WORKING, COMING IN, DRIVING IN FROM POLK
11:44:37AM COUNTY AND PASCO COUNTY AND PINELLAS COUNTY.
11:44:40AM IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
11:44:44AM REALLY, HONESTLY, THERE'S NO ALTERNATIVE.
11:44:47AM IF SOMEBODY HAS A BETTER ALTERNATIVE OR THEY KNOW WHERE
11:44:49AM THERE IS A POT OF MONEY TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR BASIC
11:44:52AM GOVERNMENT SERVICES, PLEASE LET US KNOW WHERE IT IS AT.
11:44:56AM THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH.
11:44:59AM THIS IS THE ONLY ANSWER TO THE FUTURE OF NOT JUST
11:45:05AM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY BUT THE THREE OTHER CITIES AND THE CITY
11:45:05AM OF TAMPA.
11:45:06AM I LOOK FORWARD TO SUPPORTING IT, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO
11:45:07AM WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY TO SPREAD THAT MESSAGE OF HOW
11:45:09AM CRITICAL THIS IS.
11:45:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
11:45:13AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, CHAIR.
11:45:15AM I SUPPORT THE CIT TAX.
11:45:20AM SPEAKING PLAINLY TO THE PUBLIC, IF WE DON'T, THE MONEY IS
11:45:24AM GOING TO HAVE TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE.
11:45:27AM OF COURSE, OUR MILLAGE INCREASE WE ASKED FOR DID NOT PASS.
11:45:31AM THAT WAS SIGNIFICANT.
11:45:32AM WE COULD HAVE DONE A LOT OF THINGS WITH THAT.
11:45:34AM I UNDERSTAND THAT FUNDING IS THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF HOW OUR
11:45:38AM CITY FUNCTIONS, AND WE NEED THE MONEY TO COME FROM
11:45:42AM SOMEWHERE.
11:45:42AM THIS ONE YOU DON'T NECESSARILY FEEL THE PAIN OF IT BECAUSE
11:45:45AM IT ALREADY EXISTS.
11:45:46AM I WILL SUPPORT IT THAT WAY.
11:45:48AM I DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOLS
11:45:50AM WAS CUT FROM 25% TO 5%, BUT THERE ARE INDICATIONS THAT
11:45:55AM FUNDING CAN COME FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
11:45:59AM WHEN IT COMES TO EDUCATION, ANY SLICING OF FUNDS REQUIRES US
11:46:03AM TO BE CREATIVE AND AT THIS POINT WITH THE WAY THAT OUR
11:46:06AM SCHOOLS ARE GOING AND THE WAY THAT OUR TEACHERS ARE
11:46:09AM UNDERPAID IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY COMPARED TO EVERYONE ELSE,
11:46:12AM YOU KNOW, THAT CHALLENGE STILL HAS TO BE FACED AND IT WILL
11:46:17AM BE A PART OF THE BALLOT INITIATIVE IN NOVEMBER AS WELL.
11:46:19AM THAT IS ONE OF MY CONCERNS, BUT I DO SUPPORT THE CIT TAX.
11:46:23AM THANK YOU, CHAIR.
11:46:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:46:25AM ANYBODY ELSE?
11:46:25AM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
11:46:26AM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, I ECHO THE THINGS THE OTHER FOLKS HAVE
11:46:31AM SAID.
11:46:32AM WE DON'T WANT TO RAISE PROPERTY TAXES AND WE DON'T WANT TO
11:46:35AM FIND A NEW SOURCE OF FUNDING, AT LEAST I DON'T.
11:46:38AM THIS IS SOMETHING THAT EXISTS.
11:46:42AM RIGHT NOW WE DESPERATELY NEED HELP WITH ROADS, WE
11:46:45AM DESPERATELY NEED HELP INCREASING THE NUMBER OF POLICE
11:46:48AM OFFICERS AND THE FACILITIES THEY HAVE AND WE NEED HELP WITH
11:46:50AM FIRE STATIONS AND FIRE EQUIPMENT.
11:46:53AM I KNOW THIS ONLY GOES TO INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT WE STILL NEED
11:46:56AM TO INCREASE OUR BUDGETS.
11:46:57AM IF WE HAD TO TAKE FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE, IT WOULD TAKE AWAY
11:46:59AM FROM WHAT WE WOULD DO.
11:47:02AM ON THE 70%, I THANK THE COUNTY FOR PUTTING THE 70% IN.
11:47:09AM I WISH IT WAS LESS.
11:47:11AM I REMEMBER VERY WELL WHAT HAPPENED EARLY ON WHEN THE CIT WAS
11:47:14AM PASSED AND HOW THE MONEY DISAPPEARED AND EVERYBODY ELSE GOT
11:47:17AM STUCK WITH NO MONEY.
11:47:18AM I WISH THERE WAS ALSO A REQUIREMENT THAT THE COUNTY WOULD
11:47:22AM PUT ON THE CITY.
11:47:23AM IT'S TOO LATE.
11:47:24AM WISH THE COUNTY PUT A REQUIREMENT ON THE CITY, IF YOU SPEND
11:47:26AM MORE THAN $20 MILLION, YOU ALSO HAVE TO GET COUNTY APPROVAL
11:47:29AM BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT HOW MONEY IS
11:47:32AM SPENT AND THAT MONEY IS SPENT ON IMPORTANT PROJECTS THAT ARE
11:47:36AM NECESSARY.
11:47:36AM THE OTHER THING IS THAT A FEW MONTHS AGO, WE WERE TRYING TO
11:47:43AM CUT THE DOWNTOWN CRA IN HALF.
11:47:46AM GOING FORWARD, THE MONEY IS COMMITTED FOR THE NEXT FOUR OR
11:47:48AM FIVE YEARS, BUT AFTER THAT, WE COULD GENERATE 20 OR 30
11:47:52AM MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR THAT'S NOT COMMITTED JUST BY CUTTING
11:47:55AM IT IN HALF.
11:47:56AM THAT WOULD GENERATE SEVERAL HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS OVER THE
11:47:58AM NEXT FEW YEARS.
11:47:59AM THE COUNTY HAS ALREADY PULLED OUT OF THE DOWNTOWN CRA,
11:48:02AM EXCEPT FOR WATER STREET, BUT THAT WOULD BE LIKE FINDING NEW
11:48:08AM MONEY IF WE COULD MOVE THAT BACK IN.
11:48:10AM WE WERE TOLD THE COUNTY DIDN'T SUPPORT THAT PROPOSAL.
11:48:13AM AND SO IT WAS NOT APPROVED BY OUR BOARD.
11:48:16AM BUT I HOPE THE COUNTY WILL PARTNER WITH US IN THE FUTURE
11:48:18AM BECAUSE THAT MONEY WOULD BE CRITICAL IF WE COULD MOVE $20
11:48:21AM MILLION A YEAR FROM DOWNTOWN WHERE IT'S NICE TO HAVE TO
11:48:24AM PLACES LIKE EAST TAMPA OR SULPHUR SPRINGS WHERE WE REALLY
11:48:30AM NEED IT OR FIX ROADS IN SOUTH TAMPA THAT WOULD BE CRITICAL.
11:48:32AM WHAT VOTERS SAID LOUD AND CLEAR IS THEY DON'T WANT THEIR
11:48:34AM TAXES INCREASED, ESPECIALLY THEIR PROPERTY TAXES.
11:48:36AM THEY FEEL BURDENED ALREADY.
11:48:38AM WE NEED TO PARTNER WITH THE COUNTY TO FIND OTHER WAYS TO
11:48:41AM FIND EFFICIENCIES.
11:48:43AM I'M AWARE OF SOME OF THE PROPOSALS GOING ON AT THE COUNTY TO
11:48:47AM MAYBE SHIFT TAXES OR MAYBE REDUCE TAXES.
11:48:50AM I THINK ALL OF THAT WILL BE WELCOMED BY TAXPAYERS.
11:48:53AM LOOK FORWARD TO PARTNERING WITH YOU MORE IN THE FUTURE.
11:48:55AM THANK YOU.
11:48:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
11:48:56AM IF NOTHING ELSE, I'LL --
11:48:58AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND GO.
11:48:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:49:01AM WE HAVEN'T TAKEN PUBLIC COMMENT YET.
11:49:07AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THERE ARE WAYS OF DOING THINGS, WHEN YOU
11:49:09AM TALK ABOUT THE CIT TAX -- I MEAN, THE CRAs ARE NOT ON THIS
11:49:16AM ITEM TODAY, BUT I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT.
11:49:18AM ONE CRA HAS GOT NINE YEARS LEFT.
11:49:20AM THAT'S CHANNELSIDE.
11:49:21AM THE OTHER A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
11:49:22AM WITH THE COUNTY'S HELP, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT VERY
11:49:25AM WELL.
11:49:25AM I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CIT TAX, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT
11:49:29AM AT A DIFFERENT ANGLE.
11:49:30AM WHAT WAS A BASE BEFORE ANYTHING STARTED AND WHAT WAS THE
11:49:34AM CITY AND THE COUNTY GETTING, I'LL TELL YOU, ALMOST NOTHING.
11:49:38AM IT WAS ALL BLIGHT, ESPECIALLY IN THE CHANNELSIDE AND OTHER
11:49:41AM AREAS.
11:49:41AM DOWNTOWN WAS BLIGHTED.
11:49:43AM NOW IT'S RISING AND CONTINUES TO RISE, SO IS CHANNELSIDE, SO
11:49:48AM IS EVERY ONE OF THEM.
11:49:50AM SO WE'RE USING THAT MONEY CORRECTLY.
11:49:52AM HOWEVER, WHOEVER IS IN OFFICE, WHEN THESE THINGS END, THEY
11:49:55AM ARE GOING TO HAVE AN EASY ROAD ON OUR BACKS, WHICH IS FINE.
11:49:59AM BECAUSE WHY.
11:50:01AM THAT REVENUE INCREASE STAYS ALL THE WAY INTO THE GENERAL
11:50:04AM FUND.
11:50:05AM DOESN'T GO NOWHERE ELSE.
11:50:06AM SO YOU HAVE BLIGHT THAT'S BEEN FIXED AND MONIES COMING IN
11:50:10AM THAT YOU WILL HAVE MORE MONEY THAN YOU CAN SPEND.
11:50:14AM WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT SIDEWALKS, ROADS, SEWER, WON'T
11:50:18AM HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING.
11:50:20AM LET'S GET BACK TO THIS.
11:50:23AM WHEN YOU HAVE THIS, ANOTHER ENTITY THAT IS NOT GOVERNMENTAL
11:50:29AM AND MONEY IS GOING TO THAT ENTITY AND BIG TIME.
11:50:33AM DO WE DO THAT FOR EVERYONE?
11:50:34AM ASK THAT TO YOURSELF AND THE ANSWER IS NO.
11:50:37AM SO WHY DO WE DO IT?
11:50:43AM DO WE TAKE A VOTE AND PUT IT ON THE BALLOT AND PUT THAT UNIT
11:50:48AM IN?
11:50:48AM THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED IN 1996, SO IT COULD PASS?
11:50:52AM THAT'S ALMOST LIKE A BRIBE.
11:50:55AM SO THAT'S WHY THE TAXPAYERS ARE DISAPPOINTED TO SOME
11:51:00AM DISAGREE.
11:51:01AM TODAY, ANOTHER DISCUSSION GOING ON ACROSS THE BAY IN A FINE
11:51:04AM CITY NAMED ST. PETERSBURG AND THEY ARE FACING BASICALLY THE
11:51:06AM SAME DISCUSSION WE ARE TODAY.
11:51:08AM I JUST DON'T LIKE TO GIVE AWAY PUBLIC MONEY TO PRIVATE
11:51:14AM BUSINESS.
11:51:14AM ESPECIALLY BUSINESSES THAT EVERY YEAR GO UP IN VALUE HALF A
11:51:19AM MILLION, HALF A BILLION, I SHOULD SAY, 500 MILLION VALUE
11:51:26AM PLUS AND THE VALUE OF THE ENTITY THAT'S CREATED WITHIN THE
11:51:29AM CONFINES OF THE BUILDING.
11:51:31AM IN FACT, IN '96, WE WERE SO ANXIOUS TO GET IT DONE THAT WHEN
11:51:37AM WE TRANSFERRED EVERYTHING AND EVERYTHING WAS DONE, ONLY ONE
11:51:41AM PROBLEM THAT HAPPENED THEN.
11:51:43AM THE LAND STILL WAS IN THE CITY'S NAME AND YOU CAN'T DO IT.
11:51:46AM HAD TO DEED IT BACK TO THE COUNTY SO THEY COULD NOT PAY
11:51:49AM WHAT?
11:51:49AM NO TAXES.
11:51:50AM THAT'S WHERE IT IS AT.
11:51:53AM CONTRACT HAS 30 YEARS.
11:51:55AM PEOPLE LOSING WHERE THEY LIVE, EITHER RENT BECAUSE THEY
11:51:59AM CAN'T AFFORD IT.
11:52:00AM THOUSAND, NOW 1500 AND NOW 2,000 OR THEY CAN'T BUY A HOUSE
11:52:04AM AND HERE I GIVE A LEASE TO SOMEONE FOR 30 YEARS WITHOUT ONE
11:52:07AM PENNY INCREASE AND WE'RE POUNDING OUR CHEST HOW WELL WE'RE
11:52:11AM DOING.
11:52:12AM WHAT A WONDERFUL STORY THAT IS.
11:52:14AM I'M NOT AGAINST ANYTHING, BUT I'M AGAINST GIVING MONEY AWAY
11:52:18AM FOR EVERYTHING.
11:52:18AM THANK YOU.
11:52:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
11:52:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I REALLY JUST WANT TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
11:52:24AM I REALLY THOUGHT WE SHOULD HAVE HEARD FROM THEM BEFORE WE
11:52:28AM STARTED SPEAKING.
11:52:28AM IT KIND OF SOUNDS LIKE A DONE DEAL.
11:52:30AM I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC BEFORE --
11:52:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:52:34AM WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
11:52:35AM COME ON UP.
11:52:37AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:52:38AM YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
11:52:48AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:52:49AM STEPHANIE POYNOR.
11:52:50AM I WAS WONDERING.
11:52:51AM I KNEW EVERYBODY WAS GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS UP THERE.
11:52:53AM I'M GLAD TO SEE THE MAYOR IS HERE.
11:52:55AM THIRD TIME.
11:52:56AM THIRD TIME IS THE CHARM.
11:52:58AM I WANT TO SEE MORE OF HER HERE.
11:53:00AM I'M GLAD THAT HER PUBLIC RELATIONS FOLKS ARE HERE.
11:53:07AM GLAD MR. SMITH IS HERE.
11:53:09AM BECAUSE EVERY ONE OF YOU NEED TO BE IN VIDEO SUPPORTING
11:53:12AM THIS.
11:53:13AM BECAUSE IF WE LOSE THIS, WE'RE SCREWED.
11:53:15AM WE ARE LOSING SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF MONEY.
11:53:18AM I'M WITH CHARLIE.
11:53:19AM CHARLIE, I'M NOT INTO SUPPORTING FOOTBALL IN ANY WAY, SHAPE,
11:53:22AM OR FORM.
11:53:23AM BUT, HEY, THEY ALREADY OBLIGATED IT AND WE CAN'T TAKE IT
11:53:26AM BACK NOW.
11:53:27AM YOU KNOW WHAT?
11:53:27AM IF WE DON'T GET THIS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MILLAGE INCREASE
11:53:31AM BECAUSE WE CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT IT.
11:53:32AM I'M VERY, VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT GETTING THIS PASSED, BUT I'M
11:53:39AM SORRY, BUT THE PUBLIC RELATIONS FOLKS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO
11:53:42AM HAVE VIDEOS FROM EVERY ONE OF YOU AND YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO
11:53:45AM HAVE TO BE PART OF THE PROGRAM TO PUSH THIS THROUGH.
11:53:48AM IT SHOULDN'T BE YOU DOING IT INDEPENDENTLY.
11:53:51AM IT SHOULD BE THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THEIR STAFF PUSHING THIS
11:53:55AM OUT.
11:53:56AM I'D LIKE TO SEE FOR THE FIRST TIME VIDEOS WITH EACH ONE OF
11:53:59AM YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT WHY THIS IS SO IMPORTANT TO OUR
11:54:03AM COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE CANNOT IGNORE THAT WE HAVE 8 ELECTED
11:54:07AM OFFICIALS.
11:54:08AM WE CANNOT IGNORE THAT WE HAVE 8 ELECTED OFFICIALS.
11:54:11AM PLEASE, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE PUBLIC TRANSIT ON OUR LIST
11:54:20AM AND ON THE BOCC'S LIST.
11:54:22AM THEY OBVIOUSLY WILL DO THEIR OWN THING AND THINK IN THEIR
11:54:25AM OWN WAY.
11:54:26AM BUT IT'S EXTREMELY OBVIOUS THAT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO
11:54:28AM SUPPORT THIS.
11:54:29AM WE ARE OBLIGATED CONTRACTUALLY TO SUPPORT MULTIBILLIONAIRES,
11:54:34AM MILLIONAIRES, WHATEVER, AND I BOW DOWN AND THANK JESUS EVERY
11:54:41AM DAY THAT THE RAYS ARE PINELLAS COUNTY'S PROBLEM.
11:54:44AM HAVE A GOOD DAY.
11:54:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK?
11:54:47AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:54:54AM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
11:54:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THOUGHT WE'D AT LEAST GET SOME OF OUR UNION
11:55:00AM REPS TO SPEAK, TOO.
11:55:01AM I GUESS THEY ARE HERE IN SUPPORT, WHICH IS GOOD.
11:55:05AM YEAH, I'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
11:55:09AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECOND.
11:55:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOLD ON.
11:55:10AM MR. SHELBY.
11:55:11AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF WE CAN, THAT'S ITEM 1.
11:55:13AM WE JUST TOOK THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:55:16AM STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING --
11:55:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, THEN MOVE TO CLOSE.
11:55:19AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECOND.
11:55:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC
11:55:21AM HEARING FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, SECOND FROM COUNCIL
11:55:24AM MEMBER HENDERSON.
11:55:25AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:55:26AM AYE.
11:55:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I MOVE RESOLUTION F24-6494.
11:55:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCIL
11:55:37AM MEMBER HENDERSON.
11:55:37AM MR. SHELBY.
11:55:41AM >>BILL CARLSON: BEFORE WE VOTE, THERE ARE FOLKS WHO ARE
11:55:44AM SPREADING MISINFORMATION TO THE MEDIA AND OTHERS ABOUT ME
11:55:50AM AND PUSHING SALACIOUS STORIES THAT AREN'T TRUE.
11:55:54AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ABOUT THIS?
11:55:55AM >>BILL CARLSON: NO, ABOUT MANY THINGS.
11:55:58AM TO HOPEFULLY PREEMPT ANY NEGATIVE STORY OR SOMEBODY FROM
11:56:02AM PLAYING DIRTY POLITICS RELATED TO THIS, I WANT TO JUST TELL
11:56:06AM EVERYBODY, I HAVE BEFORE RECUSED MYSELF RELATED TO
11:56:13AM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOLS.
11:56:14AM MY FIRM HAS WORKED WITH THEM FOR LONGER THAN I'VE BEEN ON
11:56:18AM COUNCIL, BUT WE DON'T WORK ON ANYTHING RELATED TO THE CITY
11:56:23AM AND WE DON'T WORK ON THIS AT ALL.
11:56:24AM WE'RE NOT INVOLVED AT ALL.
11:56:25AM IT DOESN'T INURE TO OUR PRIVATE GAIN OR LOSS.
11:56:28AM MARTY, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT?
11:56:34AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO.
11:56:35AM DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME?
11:56:38AM >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
11:56:39AM DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE AGENCY THING?
11:56:41AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, THE QUESTION IS, ARE YOU ASKING AS TO
11:56:45AM WHETHER YOU SHOULD VOTE ON THIS?
11:56:46AM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH.
11:56:47AM DO I HAVE A CONFLICT FROM YOUR RESEARCH AND YOUR
11:56:51AM INVESTIGATION?
11:56:52AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WITH REGARD TO THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT
11:56:56AM MATTER AS YOU'VE DESCRIBED, THE SCHOOL BOARD IN THIS CASE IS
11:57:01AM AN AGENCY PURSUANT TO FLORIDA STATUTES 112.312 SUB 2.
11:57:07AM AND BECAUSE OF THAT, IT IS EXEMPTED FROM THE VOTING
11:57:12AM CONFLICT.
11:57:12AM IN OTHER WORDS, IT IS NOT A PRINCIPAL BY WHOM YOU ARE
11:57:15AM RETAINED FOR THE PURPOSES OF A VOTING CONFLICT, AND THAT IS
11:57:18AM IN SECTION 112.31431A.
11:57:22AM AND IN CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEYS WITH THE FLORIDA
11:57:24AM COMMISSION ON ETHICS, IT IS MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION THAT YOU
11:57:27AM DO NOT HAVE A VOTING CONFLICT.
11:57:28AM UNDER FLORIDA STATUTES, IT IS YOUR OBLIGATION TO VOTE.
11:57:31AM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
11:57:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
11:57:35AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:57:35AM AYE.
11:57:36AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:57:37AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AYE.
11:57:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 6-1.
11:57:40AM PLEASE READ THE VOTE.
11:57:45AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIES WITH MIRANDA VOTING NO.
11:57:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:57:48AM WHO WISHES TO MOVE ITEM NUMBER 3?
11:57:50AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SO MOVED.
11:57:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
11:57:52AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
11:57:54AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:57:55AM AYE.
11:57:56AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:57:56AM DO YOU WANT TO READ THE VOTE?
11:58:05AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIES.
11:58:08AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 3.
11:58:11AM WAS THE VOTE ANNOUNCED AT NUMBER 2?
11:58:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, IT WAS.
11:58:14AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M SORRY.
11:58:15AM I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND IT.
11:58:17AM I'M LOOKING AT IT NOW.
11:58:18AM I'M GOING TO VOTE NO BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE LEVY IS BASED
11:58:22AM ON INCOMES THAT ARE CREATED WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
11:58:24AM IT IS BASED ON POPULATION, NOT THE MONEY COLLECTED.
11:58:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT IS A 6-1 VOTE.
11:58:34AM ITEM 3.
11:58:34AM >>THE CLERK: ITEM 3, MOTION CARRIES WITH MIRANDA VOTING NO.
11:58:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:58:38AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ITEM 2 IF I CAN ASK AGAIN, WHAT IS THE
11:58:42AM VOTE?
11:58:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 6-1 AND SHE READ IT INTO THE RECORD.
11:58:45AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:58:45AM WE ARE ADJOURNED.
11:58:46AM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
11:58:47AM
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