TAMPA CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL CALL MEETING
MONDAY, AUGUST 5, 2024, 1:00 P.M.

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01:00:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
01:00:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
01:00:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
01:00:25PM >>CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
01:00:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT TO START US OFF.
THAT IS WHAT THE AGENDA SAYS.
HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO IT, SIR?
01:00:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU HAVE YOUR PRESENTATION, AND AFTER THAT,
YOU CAN OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS AND/OR COMMENTS AND AFTER
THAT YOU CAN TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT OR TABLE PUBLIC COMMENT
AFTER THE PRESENTATIONS, AND THE RULE STATES YOU CANNOT MAKE
ANY MOTIONS UNTIL YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TABLE PUBLIC
COMMENT.
01:00:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
KICK IF OFF WITH ITEM NUMBER 1.
MR. ROGERO IS HERE.
MR. PERRY IS HERE WITH A PRESENTATION.
WE ASK THAT THEY DO THEIR ENTIRE PRESENTATION.
IT IS A TEN-MINUTE PRESENTATION WITHOUT ANY INTERRUPTION AND
WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO COUNCILMEMBERS HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY
TO SPEAK AND THEN PUBLIC COMMENT.
01:01:09PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, GOOD MORNING,
COUNCIL.
DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
THANK YOU FOR BEING TO OUR INAUGURAL WORKSHOP DEVOTED SOLELY
TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
I FORGET WHO SUGGESTED IT.
COUNCIL AS A BODY BUT I THINK IT WILL BE OF A GREAT DEAL OF
USE AS WE CONTINUE ALONG WITH OUR FISCAL '25 BUDGET.
I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAD -- PARDON ME -- NOT ONLY
WITH YOU BUT WITH YOUR BUDGET ANALYSTS SINCE THE MAYOR
PRESENTED THE BUDGET A LITTLE OVER -- NEARLY THREE WEEKS
AGO.
YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IT HOT OFF THE PRESSES AND WE PROVIDED
YOU JUST THIS MORNING SOME SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION.
I, AGAIN, APOLOGIES FOR THE TARDINESS OF THAT.
IT WAS MUCH MORE OF A PROJECT THAN WE ANTICIPATED.
I DO WANT TO THANK COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WHO, I BELIEVE,
SUGGESTED THIS.
AND I DO THINK IT WILL BE VERY USEFUL.
SO USEFUL THAT WE WILL PROBABLY CONTINUE USING DOWN THE
LINE.
WHAT IT DOES IS CONSOLIDATE A NUMBER OF DATA POINTS FOR THE
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM THAT ALREADY EXISTS BUT DON'T
EXIST; HOWEVER, I WILL FRAME IT SO CONVENIENTLY AS IT DOES
NOW.
I, AGAIN, APOLOGIZE.
IT WAS LATER THAN ANTICIPATED.
WE JUST REALLY HAD TO BE SURE OF THEOCRACY.
PROBABLY MORE THAN YOU WANT TO KNOW, BUT A COMBINATION OF
AUTOMATION AND MANUAL LABOR.
SO NOW THAT WE HAVE THE TEMPLATES, I THINK WE ARE GOOD TO
GO.
01:02:46PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHATEVER TIME YOU SPENT ON THAT WAS WELL
WORTH IT.
I THOUGHT THE CHARTS WERE WELL WORTH IT AND EASY TO
UNDERSTAND, ESPECIALLY FOR THE PUBLIC.
01:02:54PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
A GOOD SANITY CHECK FOR US AS WE IT THROUGH THIS CONTINUOUS
IMPROVEMENT ROAD.
WE THINK IT WILL BE VERY USEFUL.
OF COURSE YOU SEE THE MAYOR'S EXECUTIVE TEAM, PARDON ME IS
HERE, I'M HERE.
MR. PERRY IS HERE.
WE HAVE THE BRIEF PRESENTATION AS WE MENTIONED.
MOST OF IT IS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A REFRESH FOR COUNCIL
BASED ON THE PRESENTATION FROM A FEW WEEKS AGO.
AND THEN SOME OF IT ANSWERS A FEW QUESTIONS THAT HAVE
SURFACED SINCE THAT PRESENTATION.
SO WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO GOING THROUGH THAT.
AND WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, IF I CAN HAVE THE PRESENTATION.
01:03:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
01:03:36PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, IN THE BACK.
AGAIN, COUNCIL, A QUICK REFRESH ON A COUPLE OF COMPONENTS.
YOU SEE THE ENTIRETY OF THE FIVE-YEAR PROGRAM ON THE FAR
RIGHT.
JUST UNDER $1.7 MILLION.
AND THE CURRENT YEAR APPROPRIATION OF JUST OVER $400,000.
AGAIN, TO REFRESH, PRIMARILY THE PUBLIC.
THE INITIAL YEAR IS WHAT IS LEGALLY BUDGETED EVERY SINGLE
YEAR.
BY LAW, YOU CAN ONLY APPROPRIATE OR BUDGET ONE YEAR.
THE REMAINDER OF THE FOUR YEARS IS A PLAN.
AND I WILL HARP ON THAT FOR JUST A MOMENT BECAUSE, IN
ESSENCE, THE BUDGET IS PLAN, A POINT IN TIME BASED ON THE
BEST INFORMATION WE HAVE AND THE PRIORITIES AT THE TIME.
WE CHANGED THE BUDGET THOUGHT THE YEAR AT CITY COUNCIL
MEETINGS AND, OF COURSE, THOSE FOUR OUTYEARS ARE LIKELY TO
CHANGE IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM AS TIME GOES ON A REFRESH
AGAIN ON THE MAJOR PROJECTS -- PARDON ME.
YOU WILL SEE THE NEIGHBORHOOD PROJECT.
AND YOU WILL SEE THAT THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT PROJECTS ON
THE PRESENTATION WE GAVE PRIOR TO -- IN THOSE FOUR
PARTICULAR AREAS.
THE PIPES PROJECTS, AGAIN, THE USUAL SUSPECTS AS I WILL CALL
THEM.
WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON A GREAT DEAL OF INFRASTRUCTURE,
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE WATER AND WASTEWATER PROGRAM
AND WE WILL SPEAK TO MORE DETAIL ON THAT IN A MOMENT.
YOUR PARKS AND RECREATION.
MAJOR PROJECTS FISCAL YEAR 2025 IN THE CIP.
BOTTOM THERE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S FORENSICS ANNEX
BUILDING.
A NUMBER OF MOBILITY PROJECTS.
STREET RESURFACING, SIDEWALKS, VISION ZERO, ETC.
TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATION ON A NUMBER OF PROJECTS.
VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT.
THE COMPUTER-AIDED DISPATCH OR CAD PLATFORM FOR THE FIRE
RESCUE DEPARTMENT.
AND THE SOLID WASTE AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRAM MANAGEMENT
PROGRAMS.
TWO VERY LARGE PROJECTS.
THE WASTE ENERGY REFURBISHMENT THAT WE ARE UNDERTAKING RIGHT
NOW.
FLEET MAINTENANCE BUILDING.
PARDON ME.
AND THE RELOCATION OF, THE FIRST BULLET FROM SPRUCE STREET.
THE CURRENT SPRUCE STREET TO THE SOLID WASTE COMPLEX OUT ON
31st STREET.
GET IT A LITTLE BIT.
AGAIN A DEBT FINANCING NOT AS DETAILED AS WE GOT IN THE
NEGOTIATE PRESENTATION AND WE CAN GET MORE DETAILED IF
COUNCIL WOULD LIKE.
A SNAPSHOT OF THE NONAD VALOREM DEBT PROGRAM, NOT ONLY FOR
FISCAL YEAR '25 BUT THE FOUR OUTYEARS.
AND ONCE AGAIN, WE HIGHLIGHT THIS AND GET INTO A BIT MORE
DETAIL BECAUSE IT IS A FINANCING DECISION.
A VERY BIG DECISION.
AND WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PRETTY SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS THAT ARE
COMING BASED ON THAT FINANCING.
YOU SEE THEM ON THE LEFT, OF COURSE, AND THE ANTICIPATED
TIMING ON THE RIGHT.
THIS IS A DEBT ISSUANCE TIMING.
IT IS PRIMARILY DRIVEN BY THE ANTICIPATED PROJECTS SCHEDULE.
IF THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO ACCELERATE THE PROJECT
SCHEDULE AND OF COURSE WE WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT IN
TERMS OF WHAT WE OFFER FOR FINANCING.
I WILL REMIND COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC THE YELLOW SQUARE
AROUND THE FIRE STATION PROJECTS ARE, AGAIN, POTENTIAL
RELIEF OPPORTUNITIES.
I WILL FRAME THEM LIKE THAT.
IF THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX RENEWAL IS SUCCESSFUL IN
NOVEMBER.
AND ANY NUMBER OF PROJECTS COULD BE, QUOTE, RELIEF PROJECT
BUT THE FIRE FACILITIES AND THE FIRE STATIONS AND FIRE
PROJECTS ARE VERY IMPORTANT AND SIGNIFICANT EXPENSE.
AS AN EXAMPLE, A VERY LARGE RELIEF COMPONENT THAT COULD COME
INTO PLAY WITH THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX.
AND PAGE TWO OF THE ANTICIPATED NONAD VALOREM DEBT PROGRAM.
AGAIN WE HIGHLIGHT THE PARKS AND RECREATION RITA HOUSE
RENOVATIONS K-BAR PROJECTS THAT COULD BE PAID -- PAID WITH
COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX OPPOSED TO DEBT SERVICE.
YOU SEE ON THE UPPER LEFT, THE ANNEX FORENSIC BUILDING FOR
THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, THE BLACK OUTLINE IS FOR THE GRANT
MATCHES.
WE HAVE GOT MORE INFORMATION COMING FOR THAT.
THE GRANT MATCHES FOR -- FOR GRANTS FUNDING WORK THAT WE ARE
GOING TO GET AND WE NEED A MATCH FOR AND DON'T HAVE THAT
FUNDING RIGHT OFF HAND FROM PAY GO.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WILL HIGHLIGHT ON THIS PAGE AS WE
CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT NONAD VALOREM DEBT -- PARDON ME.
AS THE NAME IMPLIES.
NONAD VALOREM.
IN MY OPINION IT IS A FANCY WORD FOR NONPROPERTY TAX.
THESE ARE NOT PLEDGED FROM A PROPERTY TAX.
THEY ARE FROM THE GENERAL FUND, BUT NOT OBLIGATING THE
PROPERTY TAX TO PAY FOR IT.
AND THIS MAY BE MORE THAN YOU WANT TO KNOW, BUT TO DO THAT,
YOU HAVE TO ISSUE A GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND THAT HAS TO GO
TO REFERENDUM BECAUSE THE POSSIBILITY IS, YOUR CREDITORS MAY
DEMAND THAT YOU RAISE PROPERTY TAXES TO PAY IT.
NEVER DONE THAT IN MY KNOWLEDGE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
AND WILL NOT RECOMMEND THAT NOW.
AS WE SEE THAT NONAD VALOREM DEBT, THERE IS A REASON WE TEAM
IT LIKE THAT.
WE HAVE BEEN ASKED SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AFTER PRESENTATION
OF THE -- I THINK THIS MAY HAVE BEEN COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK --
AFTER THE PRESENTATION OF THE BUDGET, WE --
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01:12:16PM >> ANTICIPATED THE ISSUE AND FUTURE DEBT INFLUENCE ABOUT TO
COME IN.
-- 29 AND THE VARIOUS CAPACITIES.
A PROCEED AND DEEP VIEW OF THE DEBT ISSUANCE PLAN OF THE
PLAN IN THIS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM.
AND AGAIN WE CAN COME BACK IN MORE DETAIL IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
THE DEBT SERVICE BY BOND YEAR.
THIS WAS A CHART THAT WE HAD SHOWED WITH COUNCIL BEFORE.
YOU WILL RECALL THAT IT PRETTY MUCH BREAKS DOWN OUR DEBT
INTO GOVERNMENTAL AND ENTERPRISE.
AFTER FURTHER REVIEW AND AFTER TALKING WITH MEMBERS OF
COUNCIL, WE DECIDED, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THIS IS NOT DETAILED
ENOUGH.
PAUSE WE DON'T GET A CREDIT RATING FOR GOVERNMENTAL.
WE DON'T GET A CREDIT RATING FOR ENTERPRISE.
WE GET A CREDIT RATING FOR INDIVIDUAL COMPONENTS WITHIN
THOSE CATEGORIES.
SO WE WILL ASK -- AND WE HAVE DONE IT HERE TO BREAK IT OUT
BY INDIVIDUAL CREDIT.
AND WE HAVE SEEN THAT HERE.
NONAD VALOREM CREDIT IN DARK BLUE.
EVEN LIGHTER BLUE IS THE RETIRING CET.
OF COURSE IT SUNSETS IN JUST A FEW YEARS AND WE WILL SEE IT
END IN FISCAL YEAR 2026, AND THEN THE WATER AND WASTEWATER
CREDIT.
SO YOU SEE HOW THOSE BREAK DOWN.
I WILL BACK UP.
YOU CAN SEE VISUALLY IT PRETTY MUCH TIES TOGETHER, BUT IT
GETS INTO MORE DETAIL FOR THE DIFFERENT CREDITS THAT WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT.
AND OF WHICH WE HAVE RECEIVED AND WILL RECEIVE ADDITIONAL
CREDIT RATINGS.
AND DRILLING DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
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01:15:03PM >> ALL RIGHT, AND, OF COURSE, YOU SEE AS GO, THE INTEREST
INCREASES, THE PRINCIPAL INCREASES.
THE AMOUNT THAT YOU ARE PAYING ANYWAY WHICH IS PRETTY
STANDARD.
THE CIT, AGAIN, WILL BE NONEXISTENT VERY SHORTLY.
AT LEAST THE EXISTING CIT.
AND YOU SEE AS WE SUNSET IT IS ON PRINCIPAL.
THEN AGAIN OUR EXISTING WATER AND WASTEWATER DEBT ISSUANCE.
PRETTY DARN SMOOTH.
YOU SEE TOWARD THE --
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01:18:32PM >> AND THE CIP WORKSHOP TODAY.
THE OPERATING WORKSHOP ON THE 19th AND TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS
IN SEPTEMBER.
AND A REMINDER TO THE PUBLIC THAT THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET CAN
BE FOUND AT THIS WEB SITE.
HAVING SAID THAT, THANK YOU, AGAIN.
APPRECIATE -- I ALWAYS APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS.
AND I APPRECIATE YOU DIGGING INTO THE DETAILS SINCE THE
MAYOR PRESENTED HER BUDGET A FEW WEEKS AGO AND WE ARE ALL
HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE AND TO GO OVER
ANYTHING YOU TALKED ABOUT.
01:19:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT, MR. ROGERO, I HAVE A QUESTION
REGARDING THE HOWARD AVENUE TPD ANNEX.
I SAW $45 MILLION.
TWO MONTHS AGO, I THOUGHT I HEARD $36 MILLION OR $38
MILLION.
WHAT -- LET'S SAY $40 MILLION.
WHAT -- WHAT IS THE ESCALATION NOW?
BECAUSE -- THE REASON I ASK, THE MARKET -- I DON'T WANT TO
SAY CRASHED -- BUT HERE HAD A DIFFICULT DAY.
JAPAN HAD A DIFFICULT DAY.
THE HOUSING MARKET IS CHANGING.
RETAIL LUXURY GOODS ARE CHANGING.
EVERYTHING ELSE SEEMS TO -- I AM NOT SAYING THEY ARE COMI
DOWN, BUT THERE IS A CHANGE IN WHAT THINGS USED TO COST AND
ARE COSTING NOW.
HOW DID THIS GET TO AN EVEN HIGHER NUMBER?
01:19:54PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
SOME OF THIS IS -- SOME OF THIS IS BECAUSE
IT IS AN ESTIMATION AND WE WANT TO PROVIDE SOME WIGGLE ROOM
BECAUSE -- HOW SHOULD I SAY IT -- THE ECONOMY IS PRETTY
VOLATILE RIGHT NOW.
LET ME START OFF BY SAYING WE WILL ONLY ISSUE DEBT FOR THE
AMOUNT OF FUNDING THAT WE NEED.
I, TOO, HEARD THE $40 MILLION AND HEARD THE HIGH $30
MILLION, ETC.
REASONABLE BUT CONSERVATIVE STEMS.
THE LONG AND THE SHORT OF IT.
YOU SPOKE TO THE STOCK MARKET.
IT IS VERY VOLUME TEAL.
I THINK A WEEK OR TWO AGO, WHAT THEY CALL A MAGNIFICENT
SEVEN.
THE SEVEN BIG TECH COMPANIES, INVIDIA, AMAZON, IN THE SAME
WEEK HAD THE WORST DROP EVER AND BEST DAY IN TEN YEARS.
THAT IS A VERY VOLATILE MARKET.
THE LATEST WE ARE HEARING -- AND I APPRECIATE YOU PAYING
ATTENTION TO IT -- IS WITH THE SELLOFF IN THE STOCK MARKET
LAST WEEK AND SO FAR -- ALTHOUGH I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO
MONITOR IT THIS MORNING -- MORE AND MORE PRESSURE IS BEING
APPLIED TO THE FEDERAL RESERVE TO LOWER INTEREST RATES AT
THEIR SEPTEMBER MEETING.
AGAIN, THAT WOULD LIKELY CHEAPER MONDAY.
AND THERE ARE YEARS AND YEARS OF INEXPENSIVE FUNDING AND
MORE EXPENSIVE FROM A RELATIVE PERSPECTIVE AND NOW A LIGHT
IS AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL.
SEE THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL FOR A REDUCTION IN
RATES.
A COUPLE -- MORE A COUPLE BUT A NUMBER OF X FACTORS
ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SPOOKED MARKETS LAST WEEK WAS THE
JOBS REPORT.
IS EMPLOYMENT COOLING MORE THAN WE WANT.
AND IF EMPLOYMENT COOLS TOO MUCH, THEN YOU RUN THE RISK OF
THE R WORD.
THE "RECESSION."
AND WE ARE HEARING THAT AGAIN EVEN THOUGH THE MARKET HAS
BEEN SELLER AND THE EMPLOYMENT PICTURE HAS BEEN SURPRISINGLY
POSITIVE.
THAT TOOK A TURN FRIDAY.
IT IS A LONG-WINDED WAY OF SAYING AN ESTIMATE.
AND REMAINS AN ESTIMATE, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE
ACCOUNTING FOR SOME OF THE VOLATILITY OUT THERE.
01:22:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NOW LAST QUESTION AND I WILL MOVE IT
AROUND AND ROTATE IT.
WHAT IF THE CIT DOESN'T PASS IN NOVEMBER?
I AM HOPEFUL THAT IT WILL, BUT WHAT HAPPENS THEN?
WE HAVE THESE ITEMS IN THIS BUDGET FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL
YEAR.
THEY ARE BIG NUMBERS.
AND I KNOW WE CAN STILL BOND AND BOOR ROW, BUT WE ALSO HAVE
A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITIES WITH THE EXISTING CIT AND WHAT IT
IS GOING TO.
YOU SHOWED IN THE CHART.
AFTER 2026, A QUESTION MARK UNTIL NOVEMBER 5, WHATEVER WHEN
ELECTION DAY IN THE WORST-CASE SCENARIO THAT IT DOESN'T GET
RENEWED.
01:22:48PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
A DIFFICULT CIRCUMSTANCE.
WE WILL SEE IT COMING.
WE WILL HAVE TWO YEARS.
ANOTHER REASON WE ARE CRAFTING THE OUTYEARS DISREGARDING THE
COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX.
IT IS ALL GENERAL FUND.
I THINK IT WILL BE TOO OPTIMISTIC TO INCLUDE THE COMMUNITY
INVESTMENT TAX IN, BUT WE ARE SITTING ON THE FENCE RIGHT NOW
BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX, I DON'T NEED TO TELL
ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM THAT IT IS A MAJOR PORTION OF OUR
REVENUES AND QUITE A VACUUM IF IT GOES AWAY.
ON THE OTHER HAND, IT WILL BE A BOON TO EVERYTHING WE WOULD
LIKE TO DO, EVERYTHING THE COUNTY WOULD LIKE TO DO,
EVERYTHING THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES WOULD LIKE TO DO IF IT
PASSES.
WE WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE BOTH SIDES OF THE MIRROR, IF WE
WILL.
ALL BASED ON THE GENERAL FUND, BUT, AGAIN, THE YELLOW
OUTLINE FOR THE FIRE PROJECTS ARE AN EXAMPLE OF HOW MUCH
RELIEF IT COULD PROVIDE.
WE HAVE -- GOING OFF MEMORY, LIKE $190 MILLION ANTICIPATED
FOR TRANSPORTATION.
$190 MILLION ANTICIPATED, YOU KNOW, FOR -- I FORGET -- A LOT
OF MONEY.
OVER SIX -- ONCE YOU MOVE PAST OUR OBLIGATIONS FOR THE
STADIUM AND THE ARENA, OVER $600 MILLION OF FUNDING FOR
PROJECTS.
AGAIN, I WOULD LOVE TO PROVIDE A SIMPLE ANSWER, BUT IT WOULD
BE SUCH A VACUUM IT LEFT ABOUT THE BEST THAT THE -- ABOUT
THE BEST ADVANTAGE WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PLAN FOR IT.
BUT AS PART OF THAT PLANNING I WOULD ANTICIPATE WOULD BE
REDUCTIONS IN SOME AREAS, HOPING FOR AN INCREASE IN REVENUE
IN OTHER AREAS.
BECAUSE, I THINK, IN THE FISCAL YEAR '24, AGAIN, I AM GOING
OFF MEMORY, SOMETHING LIKE $36 MILLION FROM THE CIT.
THAT WILL BE MISSED IF IT GOES AWAY IMMEDIATELY AND THAT
WILL EXACTLY BE WHAT HAPPENED IF IT DOESN'T PASS.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS?
01:24:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.
WHO WANTS TO KICK IT OFF.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
01:24:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I PUT IT ON.
IT IS ON BECAUSE I HAVE A HABIT OF PUTTING IT ON.
LET ME SAY THIS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SIMPLICITY IN PUTTING IT IN WORDS THAT
EVERYBODY COULD UNDERSTAND.
01:25:00PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
APPRECIATE THAT.
01:25:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.
THE ANSWER TO SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS IS IF THE CIT DOESN'T
PASS, THESE PROJECTS WILL NOT GO FORWARD.
THEY WILL BE SHELVED FOR A WHILE AND THE OTHER TAX YOU
COLLECT FROM THE BED TAX THAT PRODUCES ABOUT $10 MILLION A
YEAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT WILL GO DOWN BECAUSE SOMETHING HITS THE FAN, ALL NOT
ALL THE BLADES FALL OFF THE FAN BUT RUNNING ON FOUR BLADES
OR ONE BLADE.
YOU HAVE TO -- JUST LIKE ANY HOUSEHOLD -- ANYBODY'S BUSINESS
IS JUST LIKE THE HOUSE HOLD.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO BUY SOMETHING, YOU JUST CAN'T
BUY IT.
YOU HAVE TO HOLD BACK -- I REMEMBER SOME OF THOSE LEAN YEARS
WHEN THERE WAS A CIT TAX.
AND SHE DID A WONDERFUL JOB.
MAYOR IORIO.
WITH THE TO HOLD THE BUDGET AND HER ADMINISTRATION HAD TO DO
WHAT THEY HAD TO DO AT THAT TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY
CONTINUES TO FUNCTION AS A CITY AND AS A PROPER WATER AND
SEWER, POLICE, FIRE, AND SO FORTH FIRST, BUT A LOT OF THE
DEPARTMENTS WERE SHELVES BECAUSE THERE WAS NO MONEY.
IT WASN'T HER FAULT.
SHE HAD -- I SAY "WE" BECAUSE THE COUNCIL WAS INVOLVED, OVER
700 EMPLOYEES.
THESE THINGS ARE COMMON.
THEY ARE NOT LOOKED FORWARD TO HAPPENING, BUT IT HAPPENS IN
ANY BUSINESS.
I DON'T CARE IF YOU ARE IN THE ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESS OR IN
THE SPORTS BUSINESS OR ANY BUSINESS.
YOU HAVE YOUR UPS AND DOWNS.
SO YOU HAVE TO BE PREPARED FOR WHEN THESE THINGS COME, THAT
YOU ARE PREPARED TO DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO.
AND I THINK THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION AND COUNCIL IS PREPARED
TO DO IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD HAVE HAPPEN.
THAT IS MY FEELING ON IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU.
YOUR STAFF AND ADMINISTRATION AND WORKING ON YOUR AND YOUR
PRESENTATION TO THE COUNCIL IS VERY USEFUL AND
UNDERSTANDABLE.
01:26:51PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT.
MR. CHAIR, IF I CAN POSTSCRIPT THAT.
WELL-DONE, SIR.
YOU MADE GOOD POINTS.
IF I DIRECT TO YOU THE PRESENTATION, BOTTOM LINE, $150
MILLION FOR 2025.
$90 MILLION FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS AND LITTLE OVER $100
MILLION IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS AND FURTHER TO WHAT COUNCILMAN
MIRANDA SAID.
I HAD WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ADVANTAGES.
ONE, WE WILL SEE IT COMING.
WE WILL HAVE TWO YEARS.
THE OTHER IS WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ISSUING DEBT UNTIL WE KNOW
WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX.
IF IT DOESN'T GO THROUGH.
I WON'T SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR, BUT CAST A
LITTLE BIT IN DOUBT IF WE WILL PROCEED WITH THE ENTIRELY OF
THE $300-PLUS MILLION DOLLARS.
I THINK IT DOES.
AND ONCE AGAIN, I THINK WE WILL CROSS THAT BRIDGE WHEN WE
GET THERE.
I WILL SAY, HOWEVER, IN FISCAL YEAR '25, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE
NOT ISSUED THE DEBT, WE HAVE OBLIGATED OURSELVES TO A FEW OF
THESE PROJECTS.
MIDWAY, THE WEST RIVERWALK, FOR INSTANCE.
ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE AT THE BOTTOM, THE EAST TAMPA
RECREATION CENTER AT FAIR OAKS.
WE ARE -- WE ARE PROCEEDING SPENDING MONEY ON THE PREMISE
THAT WE ARE GOING TO ISSUE DEBT FOR SOME OF THESE PROJECTS,
SOME OF THESE PRETTY GOOD-SIZED PROJECTS.
SO, AGAIN, WE WILL HAVE THE ADVANTAGE OF A COUPLE OF YEARS
AND WE WILL KNOW BY THE TIME WE ISSUE WHAT WE ANTICIPATE
ISSUING.
THANK YOU.
01:28:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
01:28:27PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
SORRY, SAY AGAIN?
01:28:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
I HEARD A LITTLE "HAPPY."
A GOOD SONG.
01:28:34PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
GOOD SONG.
01:28:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND CARLSON.
01:28:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO SAY EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC
COMMENT.
MAYBE WE SHOULD LISTEN TO HER AND THEN GO INTO --
01:28:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU WANT TO GO OR GO INTO PUBLIC
COMMENT.
01:28:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, BUT I WANT TO SAY, DENNIS, SINCE YOU
AND YOUR TEAM SPENT SO MUCH TIME ON THIS SPREADSHEET, I
THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO GO THROUGH THE SPREADSHEET.
01:28:58PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
WE CAN ABSOLUTELY DO THAT.
01:29:00PM >>BILL CARLSON:
AND TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER THAT.
BECAUSE THAT IS MOSTLY WHAT PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN, I
THINK.
01:29:05PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
WE HAVE IT READY ON THE BIG SCREEN IF
COUNCIL --
01:29:09PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT DEBT AND
EVERYTHING IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
AND I AM ESPECIALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE DEBT PERCENTAGES AND
DEBT OVERALL, BUT I THINK WHAT -- THE PRIORITIES OF WHAT THE
MONEY IS BEING SPENT ON IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
01:29:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL GO THROUGH THE DETAILED LIST AND THEN TAKE PUBLIC
COMMENT SO THE PUBLIC HAS FULL CLARITY AND TRANSPARENCY.
01:29:31PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IN THE BACK THERE, IF YOU CAN PULL UP THE CIP SUPPLEMENTAL
SUMMARY FIRST AND I WILL JUMP INTO --
01:29:43PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY, I WANT ODD TO -- I BECAME AWARE THAT
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON -- SHE IS HAVING MAJOR CAR PROBLEMS
THAT ARE PRECLUDING HER FROM BEING HERE.
JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S SAKE.
01:29:53PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU, SIR.
01:29:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. ROGERO, THE SPREADSHEET FACILITIES IMPROVEMENT,
FACILITIES MANAGEMENT.
WHICHEVER ONE.
THAT IS THE ORDER I HAVE IT.
01:30:06PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
WE HAVE HARD COPIES AVAILABLE ALSO IF SOME
OF YOU WOULD PREFER THAT OR DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO
PRINT IT.
01:30:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK WE ALL HAVE IT.
01:30:19PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
OKAY.
01:30:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I PRINTED IT ALL OUT.
ANYBODY NEED ONE?
ALL RIGHT.
01:30:26PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
AND THANK YOU CCTV FOR PULLING IT UP.
THIS IS THE SUPPLEMENTAL REPORT.
WE PROVIDED YOU A SUMMARY AND A DETAIL.
I WILL START WITH THE SUMMARY AND WE CAN WORK OURSELVES INTO
THE DETAIL.
WHAT WAS ASKED -- AND YOU SEE IT HERE.
WE HAVE GOT THESE PROJECTS, RIGHT.
AND WE ARE CONSIDERING ADOPTING A FIVE-YEAR CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, BUT WE ALREADY ADOPTED A FIVE-YEAR
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM AND ADVANCE.
AS THESE PROJECTS CONTINUE THOUGH, MANY OF THEM -- AND YOU
WILL SEE THAT HERE.
THEY CARRY A BALANCE WITH THEM FROM THE PREVIOUS
APPROPRIATION.
EVEN THOUGH YOU WILL SEE A FIVE-YEAR COMPONENT IN THE CIP,
AND WE WILL ALSO PROVIDE A BALANCE ON THE CIP PAGE, IT
DOESN'T BRING IT ALL UNDER ONE -- UNDER ONE ROOF, IF YOU
WILL, SO YOU CAN SEE THE TRANSITION FROM WHAT COUNCIL HAS
APPROVED, WHICH IS THE CIP THROUGH FISCAL YEAR '28.
AND WHAT COUNCIL IS CONSIDERING NOW, WHICH IS THE CIP TO
FISCAL YEAR '29.
AS YOU SEE THAT CHANGE.
AND IT IS MOSTLY AN INCREASE OBVIOUSLY.
AND IF YOU ADD IT TO THE BALANCE BEING CARRIED FORWARD, IT
GIVES YOU, WE THINK, AGAIN, WE LIKE THE PRODUCT.
IT GIVES A BETTER BIG PICTURE OF WHAT WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR
THE PROJECT OVER THE FIVE YEARS.
AND I WILL START ON THE LEFT.
THIS IS A SUMMARY, AGAIN, PROJECT BY PROJECT.
IS IT NEW OR NOT?
WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT, WHEN APPLICABLE.
THE DEPARTMENT, OF COURSE.
AND THE PROJECT NUMBER AND NAME.
ONE OF THE REASONS THE PROJECT NUMBER IS SO USEFUL THAT OVER
TIME, NAMES DO CHANGE.
THEY HAVE BEEN IN OUR SYSTEM.
WE WANT TO KEEP THE NUMBER CONSISTENT SO WE ARE ALWAYS
TRACKING THE SAME FUNDING FOR THE SAME PURPOSE.
YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE.
AS OF JULY 1, THE -- PARDON ME, THE FIRST NUMBERS, THE
APPROXIMATE PROJECT BALANCE OR CARRYOVER.
WHAT DOES THIS PROJECT HAVE AVAILABLE FROM PREVIOUS
APPROPRIATIONS, INCLUDING FISCAL YEAR '24 AS OF JULY 1.
AND SOME OF THEM HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT BALANCES FROM
PREVIOUS APPROPRIATIONS.
AND THEN WE IDENTIFY WHAT HAS COUNCIL APPROVED FOR THE
REMAINING FOUR-YEAR PERIOD.
AND HE WILL JUST TAKE IT WITH THAT FIRST ONE, IF YOU DON'T
MIND.
CITYWIDE FACILITY IMPROVEMENT CARRY AS BALANCE OF $340,000.
RIGHT NOW, THE REMAINING FOUR YEARS APPROVED IS $1.5
MILLION.
WHAT WE HAVE RECOMMENDED TO CITY COUNCIL IS A FIVE-YEAR
PERIOD INCREASING IT BY $100,000 OR A TOTAL OF $1.6 MILLION.
SO WE HAVE ASKED THAT THE PROJECT BE INCREASED $100,000 TO
$1.6 MILLION.
AND OVER ON THE FAR RIGHT, YOU SEE THAT 1.6 PLUS THE BALANCE
BEING CARRIED OVER.
THIS IS WHAT I MEAN BY THE FULLER PICTURE.
THEORETICALLY IF COUNCIL APPROVES THE CIP, THE CIP FOR THAT
PROJECT IS $1.6 MILLION.
WHAT WE REALLY GOT TO WORK WITH IS THE FAR RIGHT JUST UNDER
$2 MILLION.
AGAIN, AS WE CONTINUE WORKING WITH IT, AND AS WE GOT IT TO
THE LEVEL OF ACCURACY THAT WE LIKE, WELL, WE FIND IT VERY
USEFUL OURS SELVES, TO BE QUITE CANDID AND WE CAN USE IT
GOING FORWARD AND THAT IS WHAT YOU SEE FOR EACH PROJECT.
CLIMATE CONTROL, HVAC, CITYWIDE DEPARTMENT RELOCATIONS.
AGAIN, THE PRIMARY COLUMNS I WOULD SUBMIT TO COUNCIL AND THE
PUBLIC IS THE CARRYOVER.
REQUESTED INCREASE-DECREASE AND WHAT YOU ARE ENDING UP WITH
IN ITS ENTIRETY FOR THE FIVE-YEAR PERIOD.
AND IF I COULD MOVE AHEAD.
CCTV, IF YOU COULD BRING UP THE DETAILED PROJECTS.
THE DETAILED SPREADSHEET, EXCUSE ME.
AGAIN, I AM GIVING YOU AN OVERVIEW.
WE CAN GO INTO ANY AMOUNT OF DETAIL THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE.
THERE WE GO.
THIS IS MERELY EVEN MORE THAN THE SUMMARY.
AND WHAT YOU SEE HERE, AGAIN, STARTING FROM THE LEFT, IS IT
NEW.
THE DEPARTMENT NUMBER AND NAME -- LET'S GO TO THE FIRST PAGE
THERE.
CCTV, CAN I GET THE FIRST PAGE, PLEASE, OR -- I JUST WANT TO
TAKE THE SAME PROJECT WE JUST DISCUSSED AND GO THROUGH IT.
THERE IT IS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND, AGAIN, THE -- YOU SEE THE NEW, THE DEPARTMENT, THE
PROJECT NUMBER AND, AGAIN, THAT FIRST PROJECT, FACILITY
CITYWIDE IMPROVEMENTS.
$440,000 CARRIED OVER.
THE APPROVED AMOUNT FOR THE REMAINING WAS $1.5 MILLION.
THE REQUESTED AMOUNT WAS 1.6.
WE HAVE BEEN ASKED AND YOU SEE IT HERE, WHAT IS THE YEAR BY
YEAR CHANGE.
AND YOU SEE FOR FISCAL YEAR '25, THE FUNDING -- THE
REQUESTED FUNDING HAS GONE DOWN A LITTLE, BUT WE ARE MAKING
UP FOR THAT IN FISCAL YEAR '29.
LOWERING THE FUNDING BY $200,000 IN '25, BUT PICKING IT UP
AND THEN SOME IN FISCAL YEAR '29.
WHY IS THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD?
PROBABLY THE PROJECT SCHEDULE AND WHAT WE ANTICIPATE WILL BE
ABLE TO SPEND OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
SO, AGAIN, IT REALLY GETS INTO GRANULAR DETAIL YEAR BY YEAR
WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THESE PROJECTS WHILE PROVIDING, I
THINK, A 15,000-FOOT VIEW OF HOW MUCH MORE IS BEING
ALLOCATED AND THE TOTALITY OF WHAT WE HAVE GOT TO WORK WITH.
SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS, YOU CAN -- AND I GUESS I AM JUST
RESTATING, YOU CAN GO -- YOU CAN GET AS DETAILED AND AS --
OR AS SUMMARIAL -- IF THAT IS A REAL WORD -- AS YOU LIKE
WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM
OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME AND WHAT YOU ARE BRINGING FORWARD
FROM THE PAST.
AND WE HAVE IT FOR ALL DEPARTMENTS EXCEPT WATER AND
WASTEWATER.
WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THOSE.
THEY ARE VERY COMPLEX -- AND, AGAIN, WE HAVE THE TEMPLATE
DOWN.
I THINK THOSE WILL BE MUCH SOONER.
HAVING SAID THAT, THAT IS MY OVERVIEW.
IT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE AS TO WHERE WE GO FROM HERE.
01:37:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
01:37:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF WE CAN DO PUBLIC COMMENT AND --
01:37:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO WE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION TO GO TO
PUBLIC COMMENT.
ALL RIGHT, WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THE BUDGET -- SORRY,
THE CIP, LINE UP AGAINST THE WALL.
ANYBODY HERE TO TALK?
WE HAVE ONE PERSON ON VIRTUAL.
WHAT IS THAT PERSON'S NAME.
STEPHANIE POYNOR, OF COURSE.
STEPHANIE, ARE YOU ONLINE?
IS SHE THERE?
STEPHANIE, YOU ARE MUTED.
UNMUTE YOURSELF.
YOU DON'T HEAR THAT OFTEN, DO YOU.
STILL MUTED?
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
GOING ONCE.
01:38:47PM >> OKAY, CAN YOU HEAR ME?
01:38:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW.
01:38:50PM >> OKAY, BEAUTIFUL.
OKAY.
I LOOKED AT THIS.
I DIDN'T GET THIS DOCUMENT UNTIL MAYBE LAST HOUR OR SO.
AND I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT.
I HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS ABOUT ALL THESE NEW PROJECTS.
WE ARE GOING TO SPENDS $450,000 TO UPGRADE THE T-MOB BREAK
ROOM.
LOOK AROUND YOURSELVES, COUNCIL.
OUR COUNCIL CHAMBERS LOOK LIKE POOP.
THE WALLS NEED TO BE PAINTED.
THE SEATS ARE FALLING APART.
THESE ARE THE PRIORITIES FOR THIS ADMINISTRATION.
WE MUST HAVE AN UPGRADED BREAK ROOM BUT THE CITIZENS SIT IN
CRAPPY CHAIRS EVERY WEEK.
THE SMART CITY PARKING GUIDANCE, OH, MY GOSH.
$7 MILLION LAST YEAR.
NOW WE ARE AT $12 MILLION AS IT IS PUSHED OUT BUT ALSO IN
THE BUDGET FOR THIS YEARS, BECAUSE I ALREADY SAW IT.
WHY?
HUH?
I AM CONFUSED.
OF COURSE, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BUDGETS.
BUT I AM JUST READING THE BASIC INFORMATION.
I WILL LIKE TO NOTE ON THE MOW PIT PART, IT SAYS NEW IS THE
INTERBAY AREA IMPROVEMENTS.
IF THAT IS NEW, IT IS NEWS TO ME.
BECAUSE I DID A WALK THROUGH WITH THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT,
LIKE, THREE YEARS AGO AND I BELIEVE JANELLE McGREGOR
DOCUMENTED IT ON NEXT DOOR FOR EVERYBODY THAT WE WENT FLEW
THAT PROJECT.
I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY IT IS LISTED AS "NEW."
THE SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION CITYWIDE, HOW MUCH OF THAT AREA
WILL COME OUT OF THE IN LIEU OF FUNDS.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE FUNDING THAT AND REFUNDING THE
STREET RESURFACING.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHAT IS
BEING TAKEN CARE OF BY THE WATER DEPARTMENT AND THE
WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT WHEN THEY ARE DOING TRANSITIONS VERSUS
JUST PAVING, BECAUSE IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE DONE.
BUT -- BUT MY MAIN CONCERN IS FOR THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA WHO
COME TO CITY COUNCIL EVERY WEEK TO SIT IN A ROOM THAT
DESPERATELY NEED TO BE PARENTED.
I WOULD BE EMBARRASSED THAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR $450,000.
AND I BELIEVE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, LAST YEAR HALF A
MILLION DOLLARS SET UP FOR THE T-MOB LOBBY.
EITHER T-MOB IS ABSOLUTELY FALLING APART AND 20, 30 YEARS
OLD AND CITY HALL IS 100 YEARS OLD.
AND NEED MORE ELEVATORS AND POWER TO THE ELEVATORS.
FOR CITY HALL.
SOME THINGS TO THINK ABOUT.
UP DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.
I AM VERY OFFENDED ABOUT THE PARKING THING.
WHERE IS THIS $12 MILLION COMING FROM.
HAVE A GREAT DAY.
THANK YOU.
01:41:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT AND THE ONLY REGISTERED
SPEAKER.
AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:41:43PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK WHEN THE CIP COMES UP, WE NEED TO
FOCUS ON THE NEW PROJECTS AND REALLY HIGHLIGHT THEM.
WE HAVE BEEN GETTING GREATER AND GREATER LEVELS OF
TRANSPARENCY IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THE CIP.
AND IT IS AT LEAST YEARS AGO WAS SEEN AS A TENTATIVE THING.
YOU CAN DO IT AND CHANGE IT, BUT EVENTUALLY YOU HAVE TO
APPROVE THE CONTRACT.
AND WHEN YOU GET TO THAT, YOU CAN'T UNDO IT.
I THINK THE CIP DOES NOT REFLECT THE INTEREST OF THE
COMMUNITY IN THE WAY THAT MONIES ARE BEING SPENT.
IF YOU ADDED UP, THE -- AND NOT JUST CIP BUT OTHER AREAS.
THE HANNA AVENUE, THE WEST RIVERWALK, AND THE -- AND THE --
AND THE EXTRAORDINARY EXPENSIVE -- THE FAIR OAKS PARK ARE
WAY BEYOND WHAT ANYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY WOULD HAVE WANTED.
A SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO SPEND THAT AMOUNT OF
MONEY ON FAIR OAKS.
PEOPLE IN WEST TAMPA WOULD RATHER HAVE THEIR OTHER PARKS
FIXED.
THE ISSUE IS, WE NEED TO SPEND MONEY WHERE PEOPLE NEED IT.
IF PARKS ARE FALLING APART -- SURE MONEY FOR A.D.A. AND
MONEY TO REPAIR PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.
IT DOESN'T SAY TO WHAT EXTENT.
HOW MANY PARKS.
DOES IT FIX ALL OF THEM.
WAY UNBALANCED WHERE $200 MILLION, $300 MILLION ON PET
PROJECTS AND THE REST OF IT IS STUFF THAT IS NECESSARY LIKE
SIDEWALKS.
THE PUBLIC WANTS US TO SPEND ON SIDEWALKS, PARKS AND FIXING
THE ROADS.
NEW SUBURB BEAUTIFUL IS THE WORST I HAVE SEEN IN THE CITY.
AND I DON'T SEE THE MONEY IN HERE.
AND WE HAVE GOT TO FIX THESE.
FOLKS ARE TIRED OF WAITING.
THEY HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR -- YOU KNOW, SINCE THE GREAT
RECESSION FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS TO HAPPEN.
AND SOME OF THESE ROADS ARE NOT DRIVABLE.
NEIGHBORHOODS ARE DANGEROUS BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE TO WALK ON
THE STREETS BECAUSE THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS.
NO CROSSWALKS IN SOME PLACES.
SO JUST TO HIT SOME HIGHLIGHTS.
THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT IS, TO MY RECOLLECTION, NOT
APPROVED YET.
GREAT OPPOSITION IN THE COMMUNITY.
THERE ARE FOLKS THAT ARE HIT BY FLOODING, BUT WE NEED TO
ADDRESS THAT IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
I DON'T THINK THAT PUTTING ANY PROJECT DOWN SOUTH HOWARD IS
GOING TO GO FROM A PUBLIC POINT OF VIEW AND EXTRAORDINARY
EXPENSIVE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT MONEY CAN ONLY BE SPENT ON THAT, BUT WE
GOT TO FIND OTHER SOLUTIONS.
THE PARKING SIGNAGE AND APP PROGRAM WE DELAYED LAST YEAR
NEEDS TO BE DELAYED AGAIN.
I SAW THAT $12 MILLION OR WHATEVER NUMBER THAT IS.
I WAS IN ASIAN COUNTRIES AND THEY USE THESE KINDS OF SYSTEMS
AND THEY ARE HELPFUL.
THE PROGRAM DOWNTOWN -- OFFENSIVE THAT PEOPLE AROUND THE
ADMINISTRATION BLAME CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE THEY DELAYED THIS.
THE PROBLEM IN PARKING DOWNTOWN IS RELATED TO TWO PLACES,
TWO PRESSURE POINTS WHERE PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT IS GIVEN TO
PEDESTRIANS OVER DRIVERS.
AND WE HAVE GOT TO FIGURE OUT A BETTER BALANCE FOR THAT.
ALSO MOST ADVANCED FACILITIES PARKING AND PREPAID PARKING TO
ADVANCED BUYERS OF TICKET CAN BE HANDLED REMOTELY FOR PEOPLE
BEFORE THEY GET TO DOWNTOWN UNTIL WAITING UNTIL THEY GET
DOWNTOWN.
THE PARKING CONGESTION ON BAYSHORE BECAUSE APP AND SIGNAGE.
WE SEE A SIGN AND THAT WILL SEND EVERYBODY IN THE RIGHT
DIRECTION, NO, IT'S NOT.
THE OTHER THING IS THE WASTE ENERGY PLANT.
APP WHY THE PRIVATE SECTOR GAVE UP, BUT IT DIDN'T.
APPEARS TO GO TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OVERBUDGET.
AND WE NEED TO GET ACCOUNTING OF THAT AND GET CONTROL OF IT
AND SHOULD HAVE AT THE BEGINNING TO LET ANOTHER PRIVATE
SECTOR COMPANY FROM $62 MILLION TO PROBABLY CLOSE TO $200
MILLION IF WE ADD EVERYTHING UP.
OTHER THING IS, I SAW IN HERE CAD SYSTEM FOR TFR.
THE FIRE FIGHTERS ARE CONCERNED BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO USE
THEIR CELL PHONES TO GO OUT ON CALLS.
THEY WERE CONCERNED BECAUSE THEY HAD TO USE THE SAME SYSTEM
AS TPD.
WE NEED TPD AND TFR TO HAVE THE TOOLS THEY NEED.
IF THEY HAVE TO WAIT FOR THEIR PHONES TO FIND PEOPLE'S
HOUSES AND A DOT MATRIXES.
IT IS DIFFICULT AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THOSE
TOOLS CLENDENIN I PRETTY MUCH ECHO EVERYTHING THAT
COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID.
100 THE EXPECTATION OF THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA IS
BASIC CITY SERVICES AND I DON'T THINK FLIGHTS THIS REFLECT
THAT.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE -- THIS IS CLOSER THAN WHAT WE HAD THE
LAST FISCAL YEAR AND STILL NOT QUITE THERE.
I AGREE WITH THE PARKING GUIDANCE SYSTEM.
A NICE HAVE THING, BUT NOT WHEN WE STILL HAVE SUBSTANDARD
ROADS ALL OVER THE CITY.
AND I HAVE A DIFFERENT TAKE ON THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT THAT
I DISAGREE YOU WITH ON.
WITHIN THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT.
I TAKE ISSUE WITH A COUPLE OF THINGS AND I PROBABLY NEED TO
ASK DEPARTMENT HEADS ABOUT IT.
AS I WENT THROUGH THE BUDGET, I SAW THE MONEY CARRIED OVER,
SPECIFICALLY IN PAVING.
$7 MILLION CARRIED OVER IN PAVING.
I WANT TO KNOW IF THIS COUNCIL ALLOCATED ALL THIS MONEY FOR
PAVING IN 2024, WHOSE ROAD DIDN'T GET PAVED WHEN WE HAD
MONEY SITTING IT WAITING TO BE USED.
IF I WAS LIVING IN A NEIGHBORHOOD AND MY ROAD WASN'T PAVED
AND MR. BHIDE -- I WAS REALLY SHOCKED TO SEE SUCH A HUGE
CARRYOVER IN PAVING.
CAN YOU --
01:47:54PM >>VIK BHIDE:
GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND COUNCIL.
VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY.
THE $7 MILLION THAT WAS ALLOCATED FOR PAVING AND SIDEWALKS
LAST YEAR IS ALL PROGRAM AND BEING SPENT THIS YEAR.
SO OFF THAT IN THE BREAKDOWN OF THAT MONEY IS $2 MILLION ARE
BEING ALLOCATED TOWARDS A DESIGN-BUILD SIDEWALK CONTRACT,
WHICH IS CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF RFQ.
OF THE $5 MILLION.
AND THAT WAS ALL TRANSFERRED TO TRANSPORTATION ACCOUNT.
WE HAVE EXPENDED A MAJORITY OF THOSE MONIES WITH EQUIPMENT
PURCHASES ADDING ADDITIONAL TEAM MEMBERS AND MATERIALS FOR
PAVING AS WELL AS PAVING CONTRACTS.
AND I CAN GET YOU A BREAKDOWN ON THAT.
01:48:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WILL BE GOOD TO HAVE THAT BREAKDOWN.
SO -- SO, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU HAVE OBLIGATED THE MONEY --
01:48:50PM >>VIK BHIDE:
CORRECT.
01:48:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOR FY '24.
01:48:55PM >>VIK BHIDE:
OR OBLIGATING IT AS WELL.
PAVERS, DISTRIBUTORS AND PATCH TRUCKS.
AND MORE ON ORDER RIGHT NOW ALSO.
SO ALL OF THAT IS BEING SPENT.
SO IT IS EITHER OBLIGATED OR SPENT BASED ON THE ALLOCATIONS
FROM LAST YEAR.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY ON THE PARKING GUIDANCE SYSTEM.
IT WAS IN THE BUDGET LAST YEAR AS WELL.
TWO-YEAR.
01:49:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
UP CONCUR AND I PROBABLY WOULD MAKE A
MOTION TO HAVE THAT STRICKEN AGAIN.
IF WE ARE NOT MAKING THE BASIC NEEDS OF THE CITY.
IF YOU CAN'T HAVE THE BASICS, YOU CAN'T HAVE IS THE NICE
THING AND THE BASICS THAT PEOPLE EXPECT AND IT IS PAVING THE
STREETS WHICH I KNOW.
AND STILL NOT THERE YET.
AND PASS THAT.
AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS.
AND I THINK THERE ARE SOME PROJECTS IN HERE THAT PROBABLY
HAVE SOME MERIT AND SOME THINGS THAT DON'T.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS OF MOBILITY.
APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION ON THE CARRYOVER STUFF.
WHAT THE HECK.
YOU GAVE US ALL THIS MONEY AND YOU DIDN'T SPEND IT.
HAPPY TO YOU HAVEN'T OBLIGATED AND SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH.
01:50:14PM >>VIK BHIDE:
ONE OTHER ITEM IS ON SIDEWALKS.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE SIDEWALK BUDGET, $1.2 MILLION IN THE CIP.
$700,000 OF THAT COME FROM PARKING AND SIDEWALKS.
OVER AND ABOVE THE $7 MILLION.
01:50:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BEFORE I GO TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU
WANT TO MAKE A MOTION?
01:50:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MAKE A MOTION TO STRIKE OUT OF THE BUDGET
AND MOVE IT TO PAVING.
OH, WE ARE IN A WORKSHOP.
THAT WILL BE MY INTENTION.
01:50:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHAT WAS THE ITEM?
01:50:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SMART PARKING.
01:50:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK --
01:50:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT IS CURB MANAGEMENT INITIATIVE.
01:50:54PM >>VIK BHIDE:
$200,000.
01:51:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE $2 MILLION.
IT'S NEW.
PAGE 12.
01:51:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SMART CURB MANAGEMENT INITIATIVE, $3
MILLION.
TOWARD THE TOP OF PAGE 12.
01:51:28PM >>VIK BHIDE:
MAY I HAVE A COUPLE OF MINUTES AND I WILL
FOLLOW UP --
01:51:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
01:51:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
$5 MILLION IN '25, '26.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WASN'T '24.
WHICH IT WASN'T.
WE DID STRIKE IT TO 2024.
ADDITIONALLY AND I KNOW I WILL GET PUSH BACK ON THIS, BUT I
WILL ALSO MOVE THESE EV CHARGING STATIONS.
$1.5 PROPOSAL WILL FOR THAT.
AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD GO AFTER GRANT FUNDING FOR THAT.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE PAYING FOR THAT AT ALL.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T AFFORD UNTIL THESE ROADS ARE
PAVED.
I THINK PARKING MONEY SHOULD GO TOWARD PAVING UNTIL WE ARE
PAVED.
I MEAN JUST LIKE -- I 100% AGREE WITH YOU ALL ON THAT.
01:52:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LET ME ASK YOU THE QUESTION ON THE EV
CHARGING STATION, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
I HAVE A GENTLEMAN THAT SAYS I HAVE A PARKING LOT AND
CHARGERS -- HE DOESN'T MAKE ANY MONEY OF IT.
01:52:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT WE ARE PAYING FOR IT.
01:52:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OTHER OPPORTUNITIES.
01:52:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS WHAT I MEAN BY GRANTS.
IF SOMEONE COMES IN AND SAYS WE WANT TO DO IT.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE SPENDING MONEY ON IT RIGHT NOW AT
LEAST.
I THINK WE COULD DO IT LATER.
NOT FOR OUR CITY EV CHARGING STATIONS THAT WE NEED FOR
OUR EV CARS THAT THE CITY OWNS.
DIFFERENT THING.
01:52:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT ARE THEY IF THEY ARE NOT FOR THE
CITY?
01:52:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FOR PARKING GARAGES.
01:52:55PM >>VIK BHIDE:
SO WE LOOKED AT WHETHER WE CONTRACT OR WHETHER
WE PURCHASE OUR OWN CHARGING EQUIPMENT FOR EVs, AND
BASICALLY RIGHT NOW WHERE THE MARKET IS, IT WAS DEEMED TO BE
MORE VIABLE FOR US TO PURCHASE OUR OWN CHARGERS.
01:53:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DID THEY MAKE MONEY?
01:53:14PM >>VIK BHIDE:
IF WE CHARGE FOR PARKING, THEY MAY OFFSET SOM
REVENUE, BUT THEY WILL NOT MAKE MONEY FOR AT THAT WHILE.
01:53:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO, LIKE I SAID, IT IS FINE TO DO IT
EVENTUALLY, BUT FOR NOW --
01:53:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU ARE RIGHT.
01:53:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
-- THAT $1.5 MILLION COULD DEFINITELY GO
TOWARD PAVING.
TO GO BACK TO THE GRANT SITUATION.
I DO WANT TO -- I THINK IT IS WONDERFUL THAT WE ARE TRYING
FOR GRANTS, BUT AT THE, IT FEELS ALMOST LIKE WE ARE TRYING
FOR A MILLION DIFFERENT THINGS, AND IF WE GET IT, WE ARE
SCRAMBLING TO FIND A MATCH.
SO I -- I AM HOPING THAT IN THIS -- WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO
SEE.
I KNOW THERE IS A GRANT -- A MONTHLY GRANT REPORT THAT SHOWS
WHERE OUR GRANTS ARE.
IF WE HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
IF THEY ARE STILL WAITING, BUT -- BUT I THINK ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW IS WHERE THEY ANTICIPATE
THAT MONEY COMING FROM.
BUY AND LARGE.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT GOING FORWARD.
AND IN FACT, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT BY THE TIME OUR
OPERATING BUDGET COMES FORWARD.
AND IF THERE IS A WAY -- I SEE MR. ROGERO COMING UP.
MAYBE YOU ALREADY DO THAT.
01:54:20PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
FIRST, IF I CAN ASK A CLARIFICATION.
WHEN YOU SAY YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHERE THE MONEY IS COMING
FROM, FROM THE GRANTOR OR THE MATCH?
01:54:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE MATCH.
WHERE DO YOU EXPECT TO GET THAT MONEY?
WHAT I AM SEEING IS A LOT OF GRANTS YOU ARE SHOWING US TODAY
AND YOU ARE SHOWING US THE GRANTS WILL BE PAID FOR BY
BONDING.
01:54:39PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES.
01:54:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHY ARE WE GOING AFTER THINGS THAT WE WILL
HAVE TO BOND.
WHAT IS THE ROI ON THAT?
AT SOME POINT, IT DOESN'T FIT.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE GETTING A GOOD FIT.
TO MAYBE JUST HAVE MORE OF A CONVERSATION OF THE GRANTS
WHERE THEY ARE GOING FOR AND WHERE THE MONEY COMING FROM.
BY AND LARGE.
THE WEST RIVER IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE.
BY THE TIME IT GOT TO US PAY THE $26 MILLION OR WE CAN'T
HAVE IT.
REALLY, IT SHOULD BE HAPPENING BEFORE HANDS.
IF YOU APPLIED FOR A $20 MILLION GRANT AND THE MATCH IS $1
MILLION.
BUT IT IS A PAVING GRANT, I SAY.
IT DOESN'T EXIST BUT WE WILL MAKE IT UP.
A PAVING GRANT.
WE HAVE TO PAY A MILLION, AND WHERE DOES THAT COME OUT OF?
IT HAS TO COME OUT OF PARKING AND THIS FUNDS IN PARKING.
FUNDS 101207 WHICH ISN'T THE RIGHT ONE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
WHERE WILL THAT COME FROM.
AND THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US AS A WHOLE TO FIGURE
THAT OUT.
01:55:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IN ORDER TO
DO THAT, YOU ALMOST HAVE TO COMPLETE A SLUSH FUND.
YOU CAN'T BUDGET FOR THE UNKNOWN.
IT IS DIFFICULT -- DIFFICULT FOR A GOVERNMENT AGENCY TO -- I
SEE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
BUT -- IN FISCAL YEAR FINANCING AND ANTICIPATING SOMETHING
THAT IS NOT EXISTING YET.
IT IS -- I DON'T KNOW EVEN HOW WOULD YOU DO THAT.
01:56:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHY ARE WE GOING FOR A GRANT?
WHY ARE WE GOING FOR IT THEN IF WE CAN'T PAY FOR THE MATCH?
01:56:13PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION.
I ABSOLUTELY SEE THAT PERSPECTIVE.
MY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD ANSWER WILL BE, LIKE MANY OTHER
THINGS, IT IS A BALANCE.
DO WE -- AND THE WEST RIVER IS -- IS QUITE AN EXAMPLE,
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, CIRCUMSTANCES BEYOND OUR CONTROL ELEVATED
IT.
AND WE THOUGHT WE HAD IT PLANNED OUT, AND BY THE TIME THOSE
CIRCUMSTANCES CAME TO LIGHT, AND WE DID NOT.
AND WE HAD TO BE FLEXIBLE.
IN ANSWER -- OR IN RESPONSE TO YOUR COMMENT, COUNCILMAN
CLENDENIN, YES, THERE IS A COUPLE OF WAYS TO GO ABOUT IT FOR
POTENTIAL GRANT OPPORTUNITIES.
YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF DEDICATED RESERVE, ETC.
IN MY EXPERIENCE, THE DIFFICULTY WITH FUNDS LIKE THAT,
THOUGH, IS THEY ARE ALWAYS VULNERABLE TO BEING PULLED FOR
OTHER USES.
EVEN PRIOR TO KNOWLEDGE OF A POTENTIAL GRANT.
SO LET US THINK ON THAT, IF YOU WILL.
I ABSOLUTELY SEE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
WHAT IS OUR TARGETED MATCH FUNDING FOR POTENTIAL GRANTS.
ABSOLUTELY.
WE CAN ITEMIZE THAT FOR YOU.
IN TERMS OF -- IN TERMS OF WHAT WE DO IF OUR GRANT PLANNING
GOES AWRY.
FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT IS A BALANCE, AND WE CAN COME UP
WITH DIFFERENT SCENARIOS FOR -- IF NOTHING ELSE, FOR
ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES.
I THINK FOR NOW, WE HAVE A HANDLE ON EVERYTHING BUT LET US
COME BACK ON THAT IF WE WILL.
01:57:37PM >> I CAN APPRECIATE THAT.
PART OF OUR RESERVE TO SOME DEGREE
I THINK THAT WILL BE FINE, BUT JUST KNOWING THAT WE HAVE
THIS RESERVE FOR GRANTS I THINK WILL MAKE A LOT OF US, AT
LEAST ME, FEEL BETTER ABOUT THE VERACITY OF WHICH WE ARE
ATTACKING GRANTS WHICH IS GREAT, BUT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO
PAY FOR THEM.
MY BIGGER QUESTION, THOUGH.
ON OUR INITIAL PRESENTATION, YOU SHOWED US SPEAKING OF THE
RESERVES, LAST YEAR, WE HAD AGREED TO GO DOWN 1% AND TAKE $1
MILLION OUT OF THE RESERVES, BUT WHEN YOU CAME BACK TO US IT
WAS AT THE SAME PERCENTAGE.
AND SO DID THAT MONEY ACTUALLY GET MOVED?
AND IF SO, WHY ISN'T IT THE SAME PERCENT INSTEAD -- IF I
REMEMBER CORRECTLY, 3% LAST YEAR.
WE VOTED TO GO DOWN TO 22%.
BUT WHEN YOU SHOWED US THE DEALT SYSTEM, IT WAS AT 23 FOR
THIS YEAR.
WHAT HAPPENED?
01:58:40PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
IN A NUTSHELL, WE FINISHED STRONGER THAN WE
ANTICIPATED IN THE CURRENTS HERE.
WE FINISHED STRONGER THAN WE ANTICIPATED.
HE WAS THINKING BACK, $5 MILLION FOR SOMETHING.
AND IT DID, IT BROUGHT OUR POTENTIAL -- OR OUR PROJECTED
FUND BALANCE TO 22-PLUS PERCENT.
THE YEAR HAS BEEN BETTER THAN WE ANTICIPATED IN TERMS OF
REVENUES AND EXPENSES AND WE SEE AS FINISHING THIS YEAR AS
23% IF NOTHING ELSE CHANGES.
01:59:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I GUESS THAT SORT OF BEGS THE QUESTION TO ME,
WHY WEREN'T WE ASKED WHAT TO DO WITH THAT.
FOR US IT IS 22%.
IF WE GOT MONEY THIS YEAR, WE NEED TO ALLOCATE THAT TO
SOMETHING WE WANTED TO SPEND IT ON.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GOING TO THE RESERVING FOR THIS
COMING YEAR.
BUT LAST YEAR, WE AGREED WE WERE GOING TO SPEND THAT MONEY.
AGAIN, JUST THINKING OF PAVING.
THAT $5 MILLION COULD GO INTO PAVING.
BUT I DON'T SEE -- IT NEVER CAME BACK TO US AS, HEY, WE HAVE
THIS EXTRA MONEY.
WE ARE GOING TO PUT IT IN THE RESERVES.
IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU.
THAT, TO ME, WOULD BE WHAT COUNCIL AS THE BUDGET FOLKS WOULD
DO.
I DON'T REMEMBER THAT COMING IN FRONT OF US.
01:59:51PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
IT DIDN'T.
AND I TELL YOU I SEE WHAT YOU ARE ASKING AND I RECEIVE YOUR
PERSPECTIVE.
FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE IDENTIFIED AND SUCCESSFULLY DID
WHAT COUNCIL ASKED US TO DO WHICH IS SET ASIDE $5 MILLION.
COUNCIL DIDN'T SAY WE WANT THE DESIRED ENDING FUND BALANCE
AT 22%.
I AM NOT PARSING WORDS.
COUNCIL STAYED WE WANT THIS DONE.
WE DID IT.
AND BETTER THAN WE THOUGHT.
IF THE COLONEL SAID WE WANT TO END THE FUND BALANCE AT 22%
AND WHATEVER DELTA OR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE $5 MILLION AND
22%, WE WANT TO SEE AGAIN.
BUT THAT IS NOT THE INSTRUCTION AS WE UNDERSTOOD IT.
I ABSOLUTELY APPRECIATE YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THAT.
02:00:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEN TO GO TOWARD THIS YEAR, AND, AGAIN, THIS
KINDS OF COMES FROM THAT SAME PERSPECTIVE.
WHAT -- HOW ARE WE GOING TO TRACK -- AS COUNCIL MAKES THESE
CHANGES, LIKE, WE ARE GOING TO OBVIOUSLY VOTE TO -- I DON'T
KNOW IF IT WILL PASS, TO REMOVE THE SMART CITY PARKING
GUIDANCE.
IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN TRACK THESE CHANGES IN REALTIME?
LAST YEAR WAS A LITTLE CHAOTIC ABOUT THAT.
AND SO WE NEVER REALLY GOT A FINAL BUDGET AS IT WERE AS TO
WHERE THAT MONEY REALLY ENDED UP.
SO IF THERE IS A WAY, I GUESS, MAYBE SORT OF SIMILAR TO THIS
LITTLE LIST HERE.
IF THERE IS A WAY THAT WE CAN HAVE A LIST, AN ONGOING LIST,
AS WE ALL GATHER TOGETHER, ABOUT WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING
AND TO SHOW IT MOVING FROM ONE PILE OF MONEY TO THE OTHER
PILE OF MONEY OR HOWEVER THE -- THE PROJECT NUMBER OR THE --
I AM SORRY, THE --
02:01:39PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I THINK I KNOW -- IF YOU DON'T MIND.
I THINK I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE ASKING.
FROM MY PERSPECTIVE WHAT I WOULD CALL AN "EXCEPTION REPORT."
THIS HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU.
AND THESE ARE THE DIFFERENCES THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO --
I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
IF YOU HAVE PROJECT A, AND COUNCIL WANTS TO LOWER IT BY $1
MILLION IN THE THIRD YEAR.
OKAY, WE CAN PROVIDE THAT YOU EXCEPTION REPORT.
IF THERE IS NO APPROPRIATION IN FISCAL YEAR '25, IT WOULDN'T
CHANGE THE BUDGET.
JUST THAT ONE YEAR, BUT WE CAN PROVIDE YOU AN EXCEPTION
REPORT TO ANY CHANGES COUNCIL AGREES UPON.
WE CAN DO THAT.
02:02:12PM >> THAT WILL BE REALLY WONDERFUL GOING FORWARD.
I REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT.
AND I HAVE MORE THINGS BUT I AM OUT OF TIME FOR THIS ROUND.
02:02:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WANT TO EXPAND ON A QUESTION SHE ASKED.
02:02:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
02:02:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ON THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT IS PART OF THE
FRUSTRATION.
YOU SAID IT WAS BETTER THAN WE EXPECTED.
HOW DO WE WORK INTO A PROCESS THAT WE KNOW WE ARE BETTER
THAN EXPECTED SO WE CAN REALLOCATE FUNDS IN '25?
SO THAT -- THAT WOULD BE MY REQUEST.
IS HOW DO WE HAVE A PROCESS THAT YOU CAN SAY, HEY, BY THE
WAY, OUR REVENUES ARE EXCEEDING OUR EXPECTATIONS AND WE WILL
AN EXTRA $5 MILLION FOR FY '25.
02:02:52PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
WHAT I WILL BEGIN WITH, FIRST RECOMMEND ANY
CHANGES OCCUR AFTER THE CLOSE OF THE FISCAL YEAR.
AGAIN, IT REMAINS A PROJECTION.
WE DO HAVE TWO MONTHS LEFT.
WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ANYTHING ADVERSE TO HAPPEN, WHICH IS WHY
WE THINK IT WILL BE 23%.
BLACK SWAN EVENTS, VOLATILITY, ETC., ETC.
WE DO BRING YOU PERIODICALLY, YOU KNOW, FINANCIAL
RESOLUTIONS THAT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF BETTER PROJECTIONS.
AND WE DID THAT RECENTLY WHERE WE MOVED FUNDING INCREASE IN
REVENUES AND IT ESCAPES ME OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
SO WE CAN ACCOMMODATE AN OVEREXPENDITURE IN THIS PARTICULAR
AREA.
I THINK WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR -- WHAT BOTH OF YOU ARE
REFERENCING -- A BROADER AND MORE COMPREHENSIVE PICTURE
OTHER THAN -- I GET IT -- OTHER THAN A FINANCIAL RESOLUTION
WHICH TECHNICALLY YOU ARE SEEING AND APPROVING.
SO OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD -- AND, AGAIN, IF YOU LET US THINK
ON THIS.
IF WE CAN COME BACK -- AND WE DO, MAKE IT OR OVERT.
AS WE CLOSE THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR WITH A COMPARISON OF
HOW WE -- I WILL TAKE THE GENERAL FUNDS, FOR EXAMPLE, HOW WE
ENDED UP, HOW WE REALLY ENDED UP AFTER EVERYTHING IS AUDITED
AND CLOSE THE BOOKS IN AN AMOUNT THAT WAS IN EXCESS OR NOT
AS MUCH AS WE ANTICIPATED.
AND THEN -- AND THEN MOVED FROM THERE.
IT WON'T BE AS IMMEDIATE AS TAKING ACTION NOW, BUT I WOULD
RECOMMEND THAT WE WAIT UNTIL WE KNOW EXACTLY HOW THE YEAR
ENDS, BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE HAVE GOT TWO MORE MONTHS.
AS YOU HAVE SEEN FROM THE RECENT MARKET EXAMPLE, THINGS CAN
CHANGE PRETTY FAST.
02:04:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE ARE ASKING.
02:04:38PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I AM SORRY, DID I MISUNDERSTAND.
02:04:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FROM YOUR PERCH UP THERE.
MINE IS MORE OF A PURELY OPERATIONAL SENSE AND, YOU KNOW,
EVERY MONTH I BUDGET MY CHECKBOOK AND I KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY
I AM BRINGING IN AND HOW MUCH MONEY I AM SPENDING AND I CAN
TRACK WHERE I EXCEEDED EXPECTATIONS AND YOU ARE REALLY GOOD
OF COMING TO US AND SAYING WE HAVE TO MOVE MONEY FROM A TO B
BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO.
IF YOU HAVE EXCESS FUNDS AND ARE NOT ALLOCATED.
THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE SEEING.
HOW DO WE SEE THAT?
HOW DO WE HAVE A PROCESS THAT THAT COMES TO OUR ATTENTION SO
THAT I KNOW IN JANUARY, THAT WE HAVE -- WE HAVE BASICALLY --
WE ARE ANTICIPATING WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A $5 MILLION EXCESS
AND $10 MILLION EXCESS IN CERTAIN AREAS THAT WE CAN USE THAT
TO MEET SOME OF THE NEEDS OF THE CITY AND ALLOCATE IN WAYS
THAT THIS COUNCIL WOULD SEE FIT.
02:05:35PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
IF YOU DON'T MIND.
THANK YOU.
I THINK I HAVE A CLEARER PICTURE.
LET US PERCOLATE ON THAT, IF YOU WILL.
AND I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
I THINK WHAT COUNCIL WOULD HATE TO SEE IS, HEY, WE THOUGHT
WE WOULD GET IT TO 23%.
BUT WE ENDED AT 25%, NOBODY TOLD US.
FAIR?
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
02:05:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FAIR.
02:05:58PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
OKAY.
IF YOU CAN GET US PERCOLATE ON -- AGAIN, PERIODICALLY WE
WILL COME TO COUNCIL AND ASK YOU TO AMENDS THE BUDGET.
WE ACTUALLY DO IT EVERY CITY COUNCIL.
02:06:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EVERY CITY COUNCIL.
02:06:14PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I DO THINK AGAIN -- AND THIS IS MY TAKE --
THAT THE COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE A BROAD CONCISE PICTURE.
LET ME THINK ON THAT, IF YOU DON'T MIND, AND WE WILL CIRCLE
BACK TO YOU.
THANK YOU.
02:06:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, MIRANDA, CARLSON.
02:06:28PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
AND THANK YOU, AS US, DENNIS, FOR YOUR DETAILED
PRESENTATION.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK.
WE SEE A LOT OF THIS AS A DOWNPAYMENT WHAT WE WANT TO DO IN
THE FUTURE AND CONTINGENT ON WHAT YOU SAID CIT.
I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO A LOT OF MY CONSTITUENTS ON IT AND I
WILL BE HAVING MEET TO PROMOTE IT AND I TELL PEOPLE IF YOU
WANT TO DEFUND THE POLICE AND DEFUND FIRE, THEN VOTE NO
ON CIT BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS GOING TO DO AND
WE NEED TO GET THE WORD OUT ON ALL THESE ISSUES, I THINK.
ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO POINT OUT ON ROADS IS, WE ARE
WAITING OVER LITTLE OVER HALF A BILLION DOLLARS FROM
TALLAHASSEE.
I KNOW A LOT OF THAT MONEY WILL GO TO TAX REBATES.
I THINK ABOUT HALF OF THAT.
WE SHOULD HAVE A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS TO SPEND ON ROADS
IN THE COUNTY.
I KNOW, RIGHT, BUT WE WILL GET A DECENT CHUNK OF THAT.
WHENEVER IT COMES OUT OF WORKING WITH FDOT -- YOU WE HAVE TO
PAY FOR ROAD REPAVING.
FOR TALLAHASSEE, REBATES.
IT IS WHAT IT IS.
NOT JUST FOR ROAD REPAVING BUT FOR SIDEWALKS.
IF WE CAN USE THAT MONEY FOR SIDEWALKS.
AFT FOR SIDEWALK FUND AT $5,000 A YEAR TO $5 MILLION A YEAR
WILL BE TREMENDOUS AND I THINK PEOPLE WILL SUPPORT IT.
I TELL THIS ON THE BACK OF FOLKS' MINDS BECAUSE WE ARE
GETTING 30th REPAVED AND PEOPLE IN NORTH TAMPA HAVE BEEN
WORK ON THIS FOR YEARS.
I WAS TALKING TO PEOPLE ON THE OTHER HALF OF TAMPA PALMS
BOULEVARD, N. BOULEVARD IN FOREST HILLS AND OTHER PLACES.
WE SHOULD GET TWO OF THOSE THREE DONE IN THE NEXT YEAR AND A
HALF OR SO, BUT WE HAVE ALL THIS MONEY AND ONCE IT COMES, IT
WILL REALLY HELP US OUT FOR, I WOULD THINK, ONE TO TWO YEARS
BEYOND ANYTHING THAT WE ARE USED TO.
BY THE WAY, WE SHOULD BE USED TO IT BECAUSE THAT MONEY
SHOULD BE PERMANENT.
I SEE A LOT OF GOOD THINGS.
I KNOW WE WILL HEAR FROM CHIEF TRIPP AND CHIEF BERCAW ON
CHIEF AND FIRE.
HAPPY TO SEE FIRE STATION 24 THERE AND EVERYTHING.
I STILL MAINTAIN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF MISSED
OPPORTUNITIES FOR REVENUE THROUGH A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS,
WHETHER IT IS CRA FUNDING PRIORITIES WE CAN MOVE INTO
GENERAL FUND OR OTHER DIFFERENT THINGS, PARTICULARLY AS IT
APPLIES WITH APPLICATION OF PUBLIC SAFETY.
I STILL MAINTAIN THAT WE NEED TO HAVE ON TOP OF CIT A
DEDICATED FUND TO MAKE UP FOR THE PAST WITH POLICE AND WITH
FIRE.
AND THIS IS NOT POINTING FINGERS AT ANYBODY.
CERTAINLY NOT EVERYBODY HERE.
THAT IS FOR DARN SURE.
YOU WITH I DO BELIEVE THAT IF WE HAVE NEEDS IN DOWNTOWN
TAMPA, EAST TAMPA, WEST TAMPA AND I MAINTAIN WE NEED THAT AS
WELL.
BUT, AGAIN, WHEN I LOOK AT IT, IT -- HOW SHOULD I SAY IT --
THE BUDGET IS THE WAY OF ROAD COULD GO ADVERSELY IF WE DON'T
GET THAT CIT MONEY.
BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER, I GUESS, BITE AT THE APPLE,
AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IF IT FAILS IN '24.
CAN WE COME BACK IN '26?
02:09:38PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
MY UNDERSTANDING YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOUR
YEARS IF IT FAILS.
TWO YEARS WITH NO FUNDING.
02:09:44PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THAT WILL BE DEVASTATING IN THE SHORT RUN.
THAT'S IT.
02:09:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, CARLSON AND ME.
02:09:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, YOU ALL.
YOU ARE MAKING THE CHANGES AND GOING INTO CONSTRUCTION OF
YOUR OWN APPARATUS THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO MAINTAIN.
I HAVE SEEN SOME CHANGES IN THE AREA THAT I TRAVEL THROUGH
MacDILL, WEST OF HIMES.
MOST OF THOSE STREETS HAVE ALREADY BEEN SHAVED OFF AND PART
OF THE SHAVING PAVING IS DONE ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER SIDE
AND PART OF THE ROADWORK WHERE THE WATER WILL ACCUMULATE.
THAT IS GONE.
AND LOOKING MUCH BETTER.
AND THANK YOU FOR THAT.
BUT ON THE LONG RUN OF EVERYTHING, A BUDGET ONLY A
GUESSTIMATE.
DEPENDS ON MANY, MANY FACTORS INCLUDING THE WEATHER UP
NORTH.
IF THERE IS BAD WEATHER UP NORTH AND NOBODY CAN FLY, LOSE
REVENUE IN TAMPA AND THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
OVER 20 MILLION PEOPLE VISIT FLORIDA ON A DAILY BASIS --
YEARLY BASIS, I SHOULD SAY, AND MAYBE EVEN MORE NOW.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE THINGS AND YOU REALIZE WHAT HAS
HAPPENED, YOU MAY WANT TO EVEN BLAME YOURSELF, I AM TALKING
ABOUT ME, BECAUSE WHEN YOU DO THAT AND YOU GIVE THE MONEY
THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE, LIKE, IN THE REVENUE SHARING OF
THE CIT, YOU HAVE A PERCENT HIGHER THAN WHAT YOU ARE
PRESENTING.
THAT IS ONE.
NUMBER TWO, GIVE THE REST OF IT AWAY FOR $2 MILLION
SOMEWHERE ELSE, I AM NOT GOING TO SAY.
ALL THE MONEY FOR PARK, THAT IS GIVEN AWAY.
ALL THE THINGS YOU DO, THAT IS GIVEN AWAY.
I GUARANTEE YOU, CLOSE TO HALF A BILLION DOLLARS THE LAST 30
YEARS.
IF YOU HAD THAT, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS, BUT YOU DON'T.
THANK GOD WHAT HAPPENED ACROSS THE BAY.
SO THEY CAN'T CRITICIZE ME.
THANK YOU, MR. CLENDENIN AND FOR ALL OF THEM FOR LAUGHING.
I MET IT AS A JOKE FOR YOU, SIR.
02:11:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
02:11:47PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS.
WE TALK ABOUT HAMMERING OURSELVES.
IT IS A GUESSTIMATE.
IF THE WEATHER CHANGES, A FIRE SOMEWHERE YOU EITHER WILL
HAVE AN INCREASE.
AND IF YOU TALK OF THE ELECTRICAL CIRCUITS THAT YOU PUT UP
TO COST MONEY, YOU MAY NEVER GET IT BACK, BUT IN ESSENCE,
YOU DO GET IT BACK BECAUSE YOU ARE SAVING THE ENVIRONMENT,
AND SAVING SOMEBODY THAT MISSED WORK, WENT TO WORK.
THINGS OF VALUE.
YOU LOOK AT PARKS AND RECREATION.
I COME TO ONE PLACE THAT HAD ONE PARK CALLED PONCE DE LEON.
IF NOT FOR THAT, CRIME WOULD HAVE BEEN HIGHER.
SO I AM WANTING TO SACRIFICE SOMETHING FOR BIG THINGS TO
HELP PEOPLE HAVE AN IDEA WHAT REALITY REALLY IS, SO YOU CAN
BETTER YOURSELF.
THIS, WHAT WE ARE DOING IN EAST TAMPA, TO ME ANYWAY, IS A
LOT MORE THAN JUST A PARK.
YOU CAN CALL IT A $100 MILLION PARK, HALF A BILLION DOLLAR
PARK.
WHATEVER YOU WANT.
I CALL IT A CHANGE IN SOCIETY.
WHERE SOMEBODY CAN DO SOMETHING AND A CHANGE IN LIFE AND
UNDERSTAND WHAT LIFE IS REALLY ABOUT, NOT WHAT THEY SEE
EVERYWHERE, BUT WHAT THEY SEE AT THE PARK.
AND HOW THEY ARE TREATED AT THE PARK.
THIS IS A TEACHING THING TO MAKE CRIME A LITTLE LESSER.
I AM TALKING FROM EXPERIENCE WHERE I COME FROM.
THE KIDS THAT I PLAYED WITH AT THE PARK NEVER HAD PROBLEMS.
THE ONES THAT WEREN'T AT THE PARK, SOME OF THEM HAD A LOT OF
PROBLEMS.
SO IT SAVES THE TAXPAYERS MONEY TO INVEST IN YOUR OWN THING.
AND BY THE WAY, IT IS FUNNY HOW WE CALL SOMETHING $200
MILLION SOMETHING ARE BECAUSE IT INCLUDES THE INTEREST.
RAISE YOUR HANDS WHEN YOU BOUGHT A CAR, WOULD YOU THINK HOW
MUCH INTEREST -- THE CAR DIDN'T REALLY COST $40,000 AND IT
WAS $65,000.
CAN YOU RAISE YOUR HAND AND -- RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU SAY I
BOUGHT A HOUSE FOR $12,800, BUT DIDN'T INCLUDE THE INTEREST.
BECAUSE YOU BOUGHT THE HOUSE FOR $12,000.
NOT THE INTEREST.
YOU THINK OF THINGS FOR SOCIETY, EVERYBODY WANTS TO SAY --
OH, IT IS THIS AND THAT.
YOU DAMN RIGHT IT IS.
WE SPENDS TIME AND MONEY ON STREET AND THINGS.
IT COSTS INTEREST.
WHY THE PIPE PROGRAM.
53% OF THAT IS INTEREST-FREE.
YOU GET MORE BUCK FOR YOUR MONEY AND MORE THINGS DONE.
HOWEVER, THE PROBLEM WITH GOVERNMENT -- I AM NOT TALKING
ABOUT THIS GOVERNMENT, BUT I AM TALKING OF ALL THE
GOVERNMENTS.
CHARGE YOU A BARE MINIMUM WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.
NEVER CHARGE YOU FOR REPLACEMENT OF A VEHICLE.
DO WE CHARGE FOR REPLACEMENT OF VEHICLES OF POLICE?
ABSOLUTELY NOT.
DO WE CHARGE FOR REPLACEMENT OF ANY VEHICLES WE HAVE IN THE
CITY THAT DO CITY CODE ENFORCEMENT VIDEO, ANY VEHICLES, THE
ANSWER IS NONE.
THEREFORE, WE ARE THE ONES DOING IT INCORRECTLY.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
02:14:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMEMBER -- LET THE RECORD SHOW
THAT COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON IS HERE.
02:14:34PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PRESENT.
02:14:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
02:14:38PM >>VIK BHIDE:
CHAIR, IF I CAN CLARIFY THE QUESTION EARLIER
AND MY APOLOGIES THAT I DIDN'T HAVE IT ON HAND.
SMART CITY CURB MANAGEMENT ITEM FOR $3 MILLION.
THAT IS ACTUALLY FOR COMMERCIAL STREETS WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT
OF LOADING AND UNLOADING ACTIVITY.
AS WE GROW RAPIDLY, WE SEE A LOT OF NEEDS TO MANAGE THAT
BETTER.
AND THAT IS REALLY A ASSIGNING MONIES FOR TECHNOLOGIES AND
DEVICES TO BE ABLE TO MONITOR AND ENFORCE THOSE WORK ZONES
BETTER.
BY NO MEANS TODAY IS THAT A RELATIVE TO THE CONVERSATION
THAT IS HAPPENING A PRESSING NEED.
BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE WILL BE OPEN TO.
02:15:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WE NEED A BRIEFING OUTSIDE OF THIS
ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE CAN GET A DETAILED BRIEFING ON IT.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
02:15:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
02:15:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS FOR YOU ON THIS -- I
FORGET WHAT IT IS CALLED, THE DOWNTOWN PARKING SIGNAGE
PROJECT.
02:15:39PM >>VIK BHIDE:
PARKING GUIDANCE.
02:15:41PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU SAID -- LAST YEAR $7 MILLION.
$7 MILLION.
7 MILLION, $5 MILLION THE NEXT >>VIK BHIDE: $5 MILLION THIS
YEAR, THEN 7 MILLION.
02:15:52PM >>BILL CARLSON:
$2 MILLION WAS SPENT SOMEWHERE?
WHERE DID THE $2 MILLION.
02:15:57PM >>VIK BHIDE:
BASICALLY, WE HAVE A BETTER UNDER STANDING OF
THE SCOPE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE CAN DO.
AND ALSO A COUPLE OF OTHER PROJECTS DOWNTOWN THAT ARE MOVING
FORWARD FROM PARTNERS.
02:16:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST LESS.
02:16:09PM >>VIK BHIDE:
EXACTLY.
02:16:09PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST FOR DENNIS.
MR. ROGERO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO JUMP UP.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I HAD THE SAME CONCERNS AS MY
COLLEAGUES ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT ANY SURPLUS COMES BEFORE
CITY COUNCIL AND BY CHARTER WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE BUDGET.
IF IT COMES TO US AS A CHANGE ORDER THAT WE GET EVERY WEEK
AND WANT TO MOVE $5 MILLION FROM THAT LINE ITEM TO THAT LINE
ITEM.
DOESN'T GIVE US TRANSPARENCY IN KNOWING THAT -- OR THE
PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY THAT THAT IS A NEW DECISION.
IDEALLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN AND THIS IS GRAY IN THE CHARTER,
EVERY $10 MILLION BECAUSE WE HAVE A SURPLUS, THE
ADMINISTRATION OF CITY COUNCIL WILL HAVE A JOINT
CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.
AND SAY THIS IS THE RECOMMENDATION AND HAVE A CONVERSATION.
MOST OF THE TIME WE AGREE WITH THEIR PROPOSALS, BUT I THINK
CITY COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN APPROVING
ANY -- ANY SURPLUSES AND IN PARTICULAR, IF WE ARE HAVING
MONEY TO BE SPENT ON A SURPLUS, IT NEEDS TO BE CLEARLY
INDICATED THAT IS SURPLUS MONEY SO WE KNOW WHERE THAT IS
COMING FROM AND WHERE IT IS GOING.
THE SAME THING IF WE HAD A CHANGE ORDER WHERE WE CHANGED
SOMETHING.
IF MONEY -- IF BY NOT FILLING TEN POSITIONS, THE
ADMINISTRATION SUDDENLY HAVE $2 MILLION TO SPEND ON A
PROJECT WE TOOK OUT OF THE BUDGET.
THE SAME THING THEY SHOULD COME BACK US TO AND EXPLAIN TO US
WHAT IS HAPPENING SO WE FIND OUT AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
THE PUBLIC -- WE ARE ON THE FRONT LINE WITH THE PUBLIC EVERY
DAY.
WHEN THE PUBLIC FINDS OUT ABOUT THESE THINGS, WE GET ALL
KINDS OF CALLS.
IT IS BETTER FOR EVERYONE NOT TO HAVE TO DO THAT.
LASTLY, MY GOAL FROM THE VERY BEGINNING OF MY TIME SIX,
SEVEN YEARS AGO INCREASE THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE BECAUSE
ITS LAST ADMINISTRATION RAIDED HALF OF IT.
NOW WE ARE FINALLY 10, 12 YEARS LATER WE ARE UP TO THE SAME
LEVEL OF GENERAL FUND BALANCE THAT PAM IORIO LEFT IN THE
GREAT RECESSION.
AND I THINK IT WAS TERRIBLE THAT HALF OF IT WAS SPENT DURING
THE BOON TIME.
BUT I AM ALWAYS IN FAVOR OF ADDING MORE MONEY TO THE GENERAL
FUND BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE PETITION BEGINNING WE
DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ECONOMY WILL DO.
WHEN I FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT SIX, SEVEN YEARS AGO
WE DIDN'T KNOW COVID WAS COMING AND THANK GOODNESS WE DID
PUT MORE MONEY AWAY.
BUT, I THINK, AGAIN, LIKE MY COLLEAGUES SAID, CITY COUNCIL
NEEDS TO MAKE THE DECISION.
NOT THAT WE WOULDN'T PUT IT IN THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE, BUT
TALK ABOUT WHAT THE HIGHEST PRIORITIES ARE.
WE WANT THE BOND RATINGS TO STAY HIGH, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO
TRADE OFF BETWEEN THAT AND THE SERVICES FOLKS NEED IN THE
PUBLIC, THANK YOU.
02:18:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMEMBER --
02:19:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU WANTED TO TALK.
02:19:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A QUICK COMMENT OF THE SMART PARKING
GUIDANCE AND THE EV CHARGING STATION.
THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT WE GET IS "PLEASE PAVE OUR ROADS."
I KNOW THESE ARE VERY IMPORTANT ITEMS AND BIG TICKET ITEMS,
BUT PEOPLE ARE GENERALLY VERY SIMPLE.
FIX MY ROAD.
FIX MY ROAD.
ESPECIALLY AFTER THIS STORM BECAUSE RAINING FOR 24 HOURS NOW
NONSTOP, GIVE OR TAKE.
THE POTHOLES THAT WE FELL ARE GETTING HIT BY CARS ON TAMPA
STREET.
AND I KNOW THOSE ARE STATE ROADS AND WHATEVER, BUT, I HIT
POTHOLE AFTER POTHOLE.
I SPENT -- EARLIER THIS YEAR $900 REPLACING A CV JOINT
WHATEVER IT FROM -- IS THAT JUST WEAR AND TEAR.
HE SAID YOU HAVE BEEN HITTING POTHOLES.
AGAIN, PEOPLE ARE SIMPLE IN THE SENSE THAT THE BIGGEST THING
THAT I GET, GUIDO, NEXT OUR ROADS.
IT IS A BEAUTIFUL PARK.
AND A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT.
WHATEVER IT IS.
THE THINGS THAT WE DO.
BUT IF WE DO THAT, I KNOW THIS IS IMPORTANT, BUT IF WE CAN
FOCUS ON SOME OF OUR WORST ROADS.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON MENTIONED BAYSHORE BEAUTIFUL.
I LIVE OFF OF HABANA.
IMPROVEMENTS AT HABANA AND COLUMBUS.
WE HAVE THE GRANT RUN IN KATHY CASTOR DID THAT WHOLE PRESS
CONFERENCE FROM MLK TO HILLSBOROUGH.
SOUTH OF THERE ROADS ARE TERRIBLE.
SOUTH TAMPA.
I TAKE MY YOUNGEST TO SCHOOL AND I CROSS TO SAN JOSE AND
SOME OF THE ROADS ARE TERRIBLE.
I COULD MAKE A LIST.
I THINK WE SHOULD PRIORITIZE THOSE FIRST.
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO REPAVE CITY STREETS, BUT IF WE CAN
MAKE A DENT -- AND I KNOW, AGAIN, THESE ARE IMPORTANT, BUT
IF WE CAN PUT THAT TOWARD PAVING AND I KNOW IT HAS BEEN SAID
BEFORE BY PREVIOUS INDIVIDUALS HERE, YOU KNOW, I AM NOT
GOING TO PUT MONEY ON ASPHALT.
I AM NOT GOING TO SPEND MONEY ON ASPHALT.
I THINK WE SHOULD.
THE BIGGEST THING THAT PEOPLE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT.
AS COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID, WE ARE ON THE FRONT LINES.
I GOT CONTACTED AT 12:30 SATURDAY NIGHT -- A.M.
AND I DON'T SLEEP.
SO I GET A CALL ABOUT THAT.
I GOT CALLED YESTERDAY -- I WAS HAVING LUNCH WITH MY DAD
BECAUSE I LIKE TO SPEND TIME WITH MY FATHER.
WE DO GET FAMILY TIME.
2:00 IN THE AFTERNOON ON A SUNDAY, POURING RAIN.
MY STREET IS FLOODED.
THIS IS FLOODED.
AGAIN, WE ARE ON THE FRONT LINES.
WE GET THE BRUNT OF COMPLAINTS.
AND IF WE CAN POSTPONE THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE, WE CAN FREE
UP MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT WE CAN MAKE A KIND SAY, LOOK, WE
CAN HAVE RIBBON CUTTING AND PRESS CONFERENCES ON STREET
REPAVING AND PEOPLE WILL BE HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
02:21:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
MR. ROGERO, MAY I ASK YOU ONE QUESTION?
02:21:49PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES.
02:21:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IS YOUR SYSTEM OF COMPUTERS SET UP SO
THAT EVERY QUARTERLY, EVERY 90 DAY IT WILL FIND OUT AND GIVE
YOU RESULTS OF WHAT YOUR ANTICIPATED BUDGET IS IF YOU ARE
OVER, UNDER.
CAN YOU GIVE A REPORT TO THE COUNCIL EVERY 90 DAYS TO
SATISFY THIS.
SO WE HAVE COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PUBLIC
UNDERSTANDS EVERYTHING -- NOT TO SAY THAT YOU ARE HIDE IT OR
NOT, BUT JUST TO SAY, HERE IT IS.
THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE DONE.
AND IF IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE $20 AND CAME OUT AT $22.
A $2 PLUS OR $18, $2 MINUS OR WHATEVER.
CAN YOU GIVE US A REPORT ALONG WITH WHAT MR. CARLSON A
SAYING AND ON A QUARTERLY BASIS SO WE UNDERSTAND QUICKLY
WHAT IT IS.
02:22:37PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I THINK WE CAN.
EXCELLENT SUGGESTION ON A QUARTERLY BASIS.
AS I THOUGHT OF IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK WITH THE CERTAINTY.
I AM STUNG WITH THE OVERPROMISE I MADE ON THE CIP
SUPPLEMENTAL REPORT THAT WOULD GO A LOT EASIER THAN IT DID.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE YOU A SOLID,
REASONABLE PROJECTIONS EVERY QUARTER.
OF COURSE WE GIVE YOU THE MIDYEAR AND GOT THAT.
IF YOU DON'T MIND IF I CIRCLE BACK, ACCELERATING --
02:23:06PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE CAPACITY OF THE COMPUTER TO HAVE
THAT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY -- WHATEVER YOU DO.
02:23:10PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I RESPOND.
02:23:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND THEN HURTAK.
02:23:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION.
02:23:17PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT WORD THAT YOU USED.
YOU THOUGHT THE REPORT WOULD GO MORE SMOOTHLY.
I THINK THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE NEEDED.
02:23:24PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU.
02:23:25PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU AND YOUR DEPARTMENT ARE DOING AN
OUTSTANDING JOB.
YOU ARE PROVIDING MORE AND MORE LEVELS OF TRANSPARENCY EVERY
YEAR.
AND THIS LEVEL OF DETAIL AND THIS DISCUSSION IS EXACTLY WHAT
WE HAVE ALWAYS NEEDED.
THE PROBLEM IS WE DIDN'T HAVE THE DISCUSSION ALWAYS BEFORE.
AND THIS IS EXACTLY -- AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE GOOD THING
ABOUT DEMOCRACY IS IT IS MORE REPRESENTATIVE.
THE BAD THING IS, YOU GET A LOT OF DIFFERENT FEEDBACK AND
INPUT.
SO IT IS AN IMPERFECT SYSTEM.
THE DISCUSSION IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR DEMOCRACY THAT WORKS.
FOR YOU AND YOUR TEAM.
02:23:58PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT.
I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T THINK OF THE CHIEF OF STAFF
FOR STICKING TO IT.
IT WAS MORE DIFFICULT THAN I ANTICIPATED, BUT THANK YOU.
02:24:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:24:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO ECHO WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID.
AND THIS DOCUMENT WHERE IT HAS -- BREAKS DOWN THE DEBT INTO
THE FOUR DIFFERENT WAS ABSOLUTELY EXACTLY WHAT I ASKED FOR.
AND MADE IT VERY CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC WHERE THAT MONEY IS.
AND IT MADE IT CLEAR TO US TOO.
I REALLY APPRECIATE IT FROM A VISUAL PERSPECTIVE.
02:24:30PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU.
02:24:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ALONG THOSE LINES.
WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT THE MAJOR PROJECTS ON THE FIRST FEW
PAGES.
IT HAS THE PROJECT AND A BULLET.
I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD -- THIS -- I KNOW THEY
ARE ALREADY IN HERE TO SOME DEGREE, BUT JUST TO HAVE A QUICK
ITEM NEXT TO IT WITH WHAT WE ARE EXPECTING THAT TO COST.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, WHERE IT SAYS "VARIOUS NEIGHBORHOOD
PARKS."
WELL, THAT SOUNDS GREAT, BUT IS MY NEIGHBORHOOD PARK GOING
TO BE -- THAT IS BASICALLY THE QUESTION WE ARE GOING TO GET
ASKED FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS, WHICH NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS AND
WHAT ARE THEY GETTING?
I KNOW YOU CAN'T GET INTO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL NECESSARILY,
BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT TO KNOW.
AND SAME THING WITH THE ATHLETIC FIELD LIGHTING CITYWIDE,
WHAT DOES THAT ACTUALLY MEAN.
02:25:18PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
OKAY.
02:25:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO GO BACK TO SOMETHING THAT
COUNCILMAN CARLSON TALKED ABOUT JUST BRIEFLY OF THE CIP
BEING A LONG-TERM PLANNING DOCUMENT.
THE FACT THAT WE -- SOMETHING YOU SAID EARLIER -- THAT WE
ARE ONLY APPROVING THIS FISCAL YEAR.
WHILE IT IS A PLAN, IT REALLY CAN'T BE CONSIDERED -- IT
CAN'T BE CONSIDERED ANYTHING WRITTEN IN STONE, BUT SOMETIMES
IT COMES BACK TO US.
AND THEY SAID YOU ALREADY APPROVED IT BECAUSE YOU APPROVED A
FIVE-YEAR PLAN.
THAT IS NOT TRUE, BECAUSE LEGALLY WE CANNOT.
WE CAN NOT APPROVE THE FORTHCOMING FOUR YEARS.
WE ARE ONLY LEGALLY ALLOWED TO APPROVE 2025.
SO I DEFINITELY JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THAT.
I THINK WE SHOULD DEFINITELY CONSIDER IT AS A LONG-TERM
PLANNING DOCUMENT AND REALIZING THAT THE ONLY THING SET IN
STONE IS THIS FISCAL YEAR.
AND THEN I WANTED TO ASK I AM SORRY, MR. BHIDE, MAYBE YOU
SHOULD STAY UP HERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN A BIG CONVERSATION.
MR. ROGERO --
02:26:27PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
STICK AROUND.
02:26:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOT SURE WHICH ONE OF YOU.
LOOKING FOR PAVING IN THE CIP HAS BEEN DIFFICULT, AND
BECAUSE THERE WAS A TRAFFIC AND CITYWIDE, A STREET
RESURFACING VERSUS A TRAFFIC OPERATIONS ONE OF THEM -- THE
TRAFFIC OPERATIONS HAVE $1.3 MILLION AND RESURFACING $1.4
MILLION.
DOES THAT MEAN WE HAVE $5.4 MILLION.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN AND WHAT IS THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF PAVING
THAT IS ALREADY IN THIS BUDGET WHAT IS THE NUMBER.
WHERE CAN WE FIND IT AND, AGAIN, THE PUBLIC, THERE IS THEIR
BIGGEST THING.
02:27:07PM >>VIK BHIDE:
OF COURSE.
THAT IS ABSOLUTELY FAIR.
02:27:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT WILL BE HELPFUL.
02:27:11PM >>VIK BHIDE:
TWO ITEMS IN CIP BUDGET FOR PEACHING.
SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT FOR PAVING MORE NUANCED.
CAPITAL PROJECTS IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY MAY HAVE PAVING
ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
BIG ONES HAVE PAVING ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
I WOULD WALK DOWN OUR PAVING BUDGET.
$4.14 MILLION IDENTIFIED AS CONTRACTOR PAVING THAT IS IN OUR
TRANSPORTATION CIP.
AND $1.35 FOR IN-HOUSE OPERATIONS.
THAT IS BASICALLY CIP BUDGET ALLOCATED TO OUR IN-HOUSE TEAMS
FOR IN-HOUSE PAVING.
SUPPLEMENTS THEIR OPERATING BUDGETS AS WELL, BECAUSE
OPERATIONS BUDGETS ARE LIMITED AND HAVE BEEN LIMITED
HISTORICALLY.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, WHEN WE DO THINGS LIKE GRANTS.
WEST RIVER WALKS OR SAFE STREETS FOR ALL, THEY ALL INCLUDE A
CERTAIN DEGREE OF PAVING.
ALL OF THOSE PROJECTS, SAFE STREETS FOR ALL, WILL HAVE
MILLION RESURFACING PART OF IT WHICH INCLUDES HABANA AND
THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
WE HAVE OTHER PROJECTS AS WELL, FOR EXAMPLE, VISION ZERO
SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS WHICH IS $925 MILLION SO THAT PEAS FOR A
LOT OF OUR QUICK BUILD PROJECTS AND OUR VISION ZERO TECH
THEMES AND OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, EITHER WORKING WITH
CONTRACTORS LIKE WE DID ON CLEVELAND OR WORKING WITH OUR
OPERATIONS PAVING TEAM THAT WE ARE EXPANDING RIGHT NOW TO DO
QUICK BUILD PROJECTS LIKE WE ARE DOING ON HOWARD AND ARMENIA
RIGHT NOW.
AND SO ALL OF THOSE PROJECTS INCLUDE PAVING AND REDESIGN.
HENCE THEIR VISION ZERO.
BECAUSE REDESIGN ELEMENT IS CRITICAL.
TO THE BROADER POINT MENTIONED BY THE CLEAR AND IN FACT ALL
OF YOU, WE COMPLETELY CONCUR.
PAVING ISN'T JUST PAVING FOR THE REASONS I JUST MENTIONED.
SO WHEN YOU INVEST IN PAVING, YOU ARE ALSO INVESTING IN
VISION ZERO AND REDESIGN AND MULTIMODAL FACILITIES, BUT THE
ANSWER IS MORE NUANCED BECAUSE MOST OF THESE PROJECTS COULD
INCLUDE PAVING UNLESS IT IS JUST PURELY PAVING WHICH IS JUST
PAVING.
02:29:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
02:29:33PM >>VIK BHIDE:
SURE.
02:29:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK THAT ANSWERS MY PAVING QUESTIONS.
NOW I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. MULKEY.
02:29:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THEN WE WILL GO TO COUNCILMAN VIERA AND
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
02:29:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
SO WE ARE GOING TO HIT THE -- THE HIGH NOTE, THE SULPHUR
SPRINGS POOL.
NOW I DID LOOK, AND THE EXISTING FUNDING, WHICH IS THE $1.6
MILLION FOR POOL IMPROVEMENTS AND THE $495,000 FOR POOL
DECK.
AND POOL DECK, I BELIEVE HAVE THIS YEAR.
SHOWER THIS DIVIDED -- I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY GOT DIVIDED
INTO TWO DIFFERENT DISTRICTS.
SOMEHOW THE -- THE POOL IMPROVEMENT IS IN DISTRICT SIX, BUT
THE POOL DECK IS IN DISTRICT FIVE.
AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW -- I DON'T KNOW IF THE LINE JUST
DIVIDES RIGHT THROUGH THE POOL OR WHAT.
BUT I -- I DID WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT -- THAT Y'ALL ARE
AWARE OF THAT IN FINANCE.
I THINK IT HAS TO DO WITH SOME -- SOME POPULATION SHIFTS
BEFORE THE -- BEFORE THE ELECTION.
GENERALLY WE DO --
02:30:41PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I AM THINKING WE JUST MADE A MISTAKE BUT WE
WILL CONFIRM THAT AND I WILL GO WITH THE BOUNDARY WENT RIGHT
THROUGH, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IS THE CASE.
02:30:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
LOOKING A THAT THE, I THINK HELPFUL FOR A LOT
OF PEOPLE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO DIGGING FOR THAT.
AND I WANT TO MENTION THAT.
BUT IS THIS -- BUT SO FAR THAT IS WHERE THE MILLIONS DOLLARS
IS COMING FROM THAT THE MAYOR TALKED ABOUT, 1.6 THAT WAS
ALREADY THERE.
SO THE ONLY THING BEING ALLOCATED THIS YEAR IS A LITTLE LESS
THAN HALF A MILLION.
02:31:09PM >>TONY MULKEY:
GOOD AFTERNOON, TONY MULKEY, PARKS AND
RECREATION DEPARTMENT.
THE ALLOCATION OF THAT HALF A MILLION, ACTUALLY GOES BACK
FURTHER TO 2019, I BELIEVE, FISCAL YEAR 2019, AND ITS HAS
BEEN CARRIED OVER.
WE HAD A STUDY DONE ON THE POOL BACK IN 2019 WHEN WE HAD A
CAVE IN ON PART OF THE DECK PORTION TO PROVIDE SOME REPAIRS
THERE TO FIND AN EXTENDED KIND OF -- KINDS OF GET A BASELINE
OF WHAT THEIR CONDITIONS WERE.
WE FOUND THAT SAND SEEPING THROUGH THE SEAWALL.
AND WE FOUND THERE WERE VOIDS UNDERNEATH THE FOOL DECK.
AND AT THAT POINT, FUNDING WAS REQUESTED TO MOVE FORWARD
WITH THE DESIGN AND ENGINEERING OF A POOL DECK FIX.
BEYOND THAT, OF COURSE, OTHER -- OTHER ISSUES THAT WERE
KNOWN WERE KIND OF ITEMIZED AND BROUGHT FORWARD FOR THAT
OTHER $1.6 MILLION WHICH WAS 2023 WAS THE APPROVAL ON THAT.
SO THAT IS STILL THERE.
WE HAVE EXPENDED, I THINK IT IS $140 OR 160 OF THAT INITIAL.
AND WE STILL HAVE AN OPEN CONTRACT AND PURCHASE ORDER WITH
THE ENGINEERING FIRM THAT WE ARE HAVING THEM UPDATE ALL THE
INFORMATION TO GIVE US NOT ONLY MODERN-DAY KIND OF FIGURES
FOR ESTIMATE ESTIMATED COSTS BUT TO BRING IN THE NEW
CONDITIONS WITH THE RECENT GSPR TESTING THAT WE PERFORMED.
WE DO HAVE A PATH THAT IS -- THAT IS BEARING FRUIT ON -- ON
A WAY FORWARD ON THIS.
02:32:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT NO NEW FUNDING NOR POOL -- IN THIS
CALENDAR -- IN THIS FISCAL YEAR?
02:32:55PM >>TONY MULKEY:
THAT'S CORRECT.
02:32:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WAS CONFUSED.
THANK YOU.
ARE WE WAITING FOR FIRE AND POLICE QUESTIONS UNTIL AFTER
NUMBER TWO?
02:33:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE WILL HAVE THEM PRESENT.
COUNCILMAN VIERA AND COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
I FAILED TO MENTION AT THE BEGINNING, WE HAVE TO CONCLUDE
THE MEETING BY 5:00, BECAUSE THE ARC IS MEETING AT 5:30 IN
THIS ROOM.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
02:33:15PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THAT IS WHAT WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT.
BECAUSE WE HAVE ASSISTANT CHIEF KATE, CHIEF BERCAW AND
CHIEF TRIPP.
AND I KNOW THEY HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR A WHILE AND I DON'T
KNOW HOW LONG THIS SECOND PART WILL TAKE.
IF WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT ESPECIALLY GIVEN WE HAD A
BIG STORM AND I AM SURE THEY HAVE A LOT OF STUFF ON THEIR
PLATE.
THAT IS WHAT MY COMMENT WAS.
02:33:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY OBJECTION?
02:33:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET ME FINISH THIS ONE QUESTION.
02:33:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU WRAP IT UP AND WE WILL GO TO TWO.
02:33:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A LOT OF WORK.
02:33:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS.
02:33:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AM THE ONLY ONE THAT THE BEEPER HAVEN'T
GONE OFF ON YET.
NO SMILING.
NO JOKES.
BACK TO VIK.
WHAT IS STREET SURFACING TO --
02:34:01PM >>VIK BHIDE:
SORRY, REPEAT THE QUESTION.
02:34:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STREET RESURFACING TO.
02:34:06PM >>VIK BHIDE:
TRAFFIC OPERATIONS.
02:34:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT IS THAT.
02:34:11PM >>VIK BHIDE:
FOR OUR TRANSPORTATION OPERATIONS TO DO
IN-HOUSE PAVING.
02:34:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IN-HOUSE PAVING?
02:34:19PM >>VIK BHIDE:
YES.
02:34:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MULTIMODAL SAFETY WALK.
02:34:25PM >>VIK BHIDE:
RIVER WALK.
02:34:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DIDN'T SAY RIVERWALK.
WE SPEAK ON CODE.
NEXT THING, I WANT TO GO ON RECORD SAYING I FULLY SUPPORT
THE REMODEL FOR T-MOB.
THERE ARE SAFETY CONCERNS.
I KNOW IN PUBLIC COMMENT -- WE GOT TO TAKE CARE OF OUR
EMPLOYEES.
REMODELING THE BREAK ROOM ARE KIND OF THINGS WE HAVE TO DO.
NOT THAT MUCH MONEY.
THINGS HAVE TO REFURBISH.
SPEAKING OF WHICH, I SEE SOMEBODY SITTING IN THE BACK ROW.
CITY COUNCIL, YES, YOU.
HI, ADRI.
SO WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS?
02:35:07PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
ADRI COLINA, DIRECTOR OF LOGISTICS AND ASSET MANAGEMENT.
SORRY, I WAS YELLING OVER THE WEEKEND.
CHEERING MY BROTHER.
CHEERING ON MY BROTHER ON IN A COMPETITION.
SO I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF THE -- A LOT OF
THE UPGRADES AND BREAK ROOM UPGRADES.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND THEN TALK ABOUT THIS.
THE LOBBY UPGRADES, I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO GET THE INCORRECT
ASSUMPTION THAT WE ARE DOING THAT FOR AESTHETICS ONLY.
WHEN THAT BUILDING WAS DESIGNED AND BUILT IN THE LATE '70s.
SECURITY WASN'T A BIG THOUGHT.
THAT HAS SINCE CHANGED.
WHEN YOU WALK IN THAT BUILDING AT ANY TIME, THE OFFICER'S
BACK IS TO SOMEONE.
MONITORS ARE EXPOSED.
THE THOUGHT TO REDESIGN THAT LOBBY IS FOR SAFETY.
ANYBODY IN THAT BUILDING, AND THIS INCLUDES OUR CUSTOMERS.
THE THIRD-FLOOR BREAK ROOM.
I CAN TELL THAT YOU HAS NOT BEEN RENOVATED UNLIKE COUNCIL
CHAMBERS WHICH I KNOW NEEDS WORK.
I AM NOT SAYING IT DOESN'T.
IT HAS BEEN PARENTED MORE RECENTLY AND UPGRADED MORE
RECENTLY THAN THE BREAK ROOM ON THE THIRD FLOOR, AND THAT
INCLUDES THE FLOORING.
IT LOOKS BAD.
THAT ALSO NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF FOR THE WELLNESS OF
EVERYONE.
REGARDING THIS CHAMBER AND REGARDING THIS BUILDING, A LOT --
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON A REDESIGN FOR YOU ALL.
YOU ARE RIGHT.
YOU DO NEED A BETTER FACILITY.
AND SECURITY NEEDS TO BE GIVEN IN CONSIDERATION WITH THAT.
I HAVE PRESENTED A PLAN TO MY ADMINISTRATOR, JEAN DUNCAN,
CHIEF OF STAFF, AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE MAYOR.
WE WILL BE BRINGING THAT TO YOU VERY SOON.
AND THE FACT THAT THE CONTRACT PALED LAST WEEK WILL ALLOW US
TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE WE HAVE FUNDING.
AND WE WILL BE COMING TO YOU IN A VERY NEAR FUTURE.
WE HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN.
WE WERE SYSTEMATICALLY GOING THROUGH BOTH BUILDINGS TO SEE
THE NEED.
THERE ARE A LOT OF NEEDS.
AND I AM NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU OFF.
I DO HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE.
AND I APPROVE ON AND TWEAKED ON IN MY LEADERSHIP SIDE.
02:37:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TALKING OF FY '24.
02:37:15PM >> WE ARE ON '25.
02:37:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
'24 FUNDING.
02:37:20PM >> '24 FUNDING AND MAY NEED SOME INTO '25 DEPENDING ON WHAT
IT IS.
WE DO HAVE SOME ALREADY IN THE BUDGET FOR '24 AND GOING INTO
'25.
02:37:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAVE BEEN OUT THERE
FORWARD THINKING ON THIS.
AND I 100% SUPPORT WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO ACROSS THE
ALLEY.
AND SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE THINKING OF SECURITY IN EVERYTHING
THAT WE DO.
THANK YOU.
02:37:43PM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT.
02:37:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT, WE WILL BRING UP NUMBER TWO.
WHO WOULD LIKE TO KICK IT OFF, TPD OR TAMPA FIRE?
ALL RIGHT DR. CHIEF.
02:37:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HE HAS DOCTORATE.
02:38:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DR. CHIEF.
02:38:06PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
LET'S NOT DEBATE THAT RIGHT NOW.
02:38:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
02:38:13PM >>LEE BERCAW:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL, LEE BERCAW CHIEF OF
POLICE AND DEPUTY CHIEF, CHIEF KAY.
PROJECT LEAD ON HOWARD AVENUE PROJECT FOR EVIDENCE AND
FORENSICS.
BEFORE SHE BEGINS, THIS ISN'T A WARRANT, IT IS A NEED FOR US
WITHOUT GROWING OUR EXISTING AREA.
THE AREA WHERE WE HAD SOME OF THE EVIDENCE BEFORE HAS NOW
BEEN TAKEN OVER BY SANITATION.
WE ARE IN DIRE STRAITS FOR HAVING A PLACE FOR OUR EVIDENCE
AND FOR OUR FORENSICS.
AS DEPUTY CHIEF KATE GOES THROUGH THIS, HOPEFULLY YOU WILL
SEE SOME OF THE PICTURES AND UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM TRYING TO
CONVEY.
02:38:52PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
I KNOW I SPOKE TO YOU BEFORE WHEN WE DO THE GREAT EIGHT
PRESENTATIONS.
BUT JUST AS A REMINDER, OUR EVIDENCE CURRENTLY IS KEPT AND
OUR FORENSICS IN FOUR DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
ONE THE TEMPORARY STORAGE 468 NORTH LOIS.
THAT IS A 2,000-SQUARE-FOOT APPROXIMATELY THAT WE HAVE FOR
OFFICE SPACE AND FOR LARGE BULK ITEMS.
THIS WEEKEND, THE RAIN STORM AND TODAY IS A REMINDER THAT IS
NOT AN IDEAL PLACE BECAUSE WE HAD TO MOVE OUR EVIDENCE UP ON
TO PALETTES BECAUSE A LOT OF WATER INTRUSION THERE TO MAKE
SURE THAT THE EVIDENCE DIDN'T DESTROYED.
WE CAN ONLY PUT THINGS THAT WE ARE CONFIDANT WILL NOT NEED
TO BE AIR-CONDITIONED OR ANYTHING THERE.
WE HAVE THE THIRD FLOOR OF HEADQUARTERS, WHICH CURRENTLY IS
2600-SQUARE-FOOT ALONG WITH THE 7th FLOOR OF HEADQUARTERS
COMBINED.
THE STORAGE AT HEADQUARTERS FOR OUR EVIDENCE.
AND FOR OUR FORENSICS WHICH IS ON THE FOURTH FLOOR, 12,000
SQUARE FOOT.
SO THESE ARE SOME PICTURES -- I HOPE I AM DOING THIS RIGHT.
OKAY.
RIGHT, SO GOING TO THE NEW IMPOUND LOT.
THE PROPOSED SQUARE FOOTAGE WILL BE 44,100 SQUARE FOOT.
THE DIFFERENCE IN THAT IN HEADQUARTERS AS YOU CAN SEE IS
BASED ON THE BOXES.
AND WE DON'T HAVE THE DESIRED SHELVING THAT WE NEED.
WE CAN ONLY GO VERTICAL UP TO FOUR TO SIX FOOT, BASED ON THE
WEIGHT OF THE BOXES.
ALTHOUGH OUR EVIDENCE TECHNICIAN DO A GOOD JOB CATEGORIZING
THEM AND PUTTING IN THERE, YOU CAN SEE WE ARE BURSTING AT
THE SEAMS.
WHEN WE GO TO THE NEW HOWARD AVENUE LOCATION 12 FOOT OF
USABLE VERTICAL SPACE THAT BRINGS US TO 149 CUBIC -- 149,000
CUBIC SQUARE FOOT.
SO WE WILL BE ABLE TO BE THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
THIS LOCATION WILL BE -- I WILL SHOW YOU A COUPLE MORE
PICTURES.
THIS IS OUR CURRENT FIREARM STORAGE.
THIS IS WHAT THE DESIRED IS GOING TO WILL LOOK LIKE.
THIS IS OUR FORENSICS INVESTIGATION UNIT.
CURRENTLY, THIS -- THIS LATE NIGHT PROCESS SOMETHING AN OLD
FISH TANK THAT OUR VERY GOOD EVIDENCE TECHNICIANS FASHIONED
TO COMPLETE WHAT WE NEEDED TO BE DONE.
THE ORLANDO POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS BROUGHT THE DESIRED
EQUIPMENT THAT WE NEED TO GO TO, BUT IF YOU WERE TO PICK UP
PRINTS ON AN ITEM THAT COULD NOT BE DUSTED, AND YOU HAVE TO
USE FOR LAYMAN'S TERMS LIKE SUPER GLUE TO GET THE FUMES, WE
PUT IT INSIDE OF THAT, CLOSE IT UP.
AND THEN IT WILL PRESENT THE PRINTS.
WE NEVER HAD THAT TECHNOLOGY.
WE ARE A LARGE AGENCY.
WE SHOULD HAVE THAT TECHNOLOGY.
THAT IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO GO TO.
ALSO, WE ARE LOOKING TO ENHANCING OUR EVIDENCE -- WHERE THE
FORENSICS CAN STORE.
AND PACKAGE THE ITEMS.
WE ARE LOOKING TO NOT CROSS-CONTAMINATE.
OUR DRYING ROOMS ARE OUTDATED.
WE WANT TO GO TO A BETTER PACKAGING PLACE.
A GOOD THING OF GOING TO THE HOWARD AVENUE, FORENSICS IN
EVIDENCE -- BECAUSE THEY REALLY WORK HAND IN HAND.
THEY CAN COLLECT THEIR ITEMS AND PROCESS THEM AND PUT THEM
INTO EVIDENCE RIGHT AWAY, NOT TEMPORARY STORAGE.
ALSO THE PUBLIC ONLY HAS TO GO TO ONE PLACE.
IF YOU HAVE HIGH VALUE ITEMS, THEY ARE PROBABLY AT
HEADQUARTERS.
IF YOU HAVE A CAR OR SOME OTHER BULK ITEMS, THEY WILL GO AT
THE IMPOUND LOT.
THIS WILL BE A LOT EASIER FOR THEM TO GO TO AND ALSO A
REDUCTION IN MAN POWER BECAUSE WE CURRENTLY HAVE TO STAFF
OUR CITY EMPLOYEES AT THE IMPOUND LOT ON THE THIRD FLOOR,
SEVENTH FLOOR AND FOURTH FLOOR AND UNDER ONE ROOF AND ABLE
TO WORK TOGETHER.
SO I HAVE SOME OTHER SKETCHES, BUT BECAUSE SOME OF IT IS --
WILL DENOTE WHERE OUR NARCOTICS AND FIREARMS GO.
I WON'T PUT THEM ON THE ELMO.
2600 SQUARE FOOT FOR OUR NARCOTICS AND 19,000 CUBIC FOOT FOR
OUR FIREARMS VAULT.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT AND IT AS NECESSITY FOR US.
THANK YOU.
02:43:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYTHING ELSE -- I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE
PRESENTATION IS COMPLETED BEFORE I GO TO COUNCILMEMBERS.
ALL RIGHT.
ANYTHING ELSE, MA'AM?
02:43:28PM >> NO, I THINK THAT IS IT.
02:43:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
02:43:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
CHIEF KATE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR
PRESENTATION AND WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND I AM SURE YOU
TALKED TO THE OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS IN THE PAST.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH RENT YOU ARE PAYING SOMEWHERE ELSE,
BUT ALL OF THESE THINGS NEED TO BE FIGURED OUT.
I AM NOT --CSI, I WALKED IT ON TV.
ALL THE MODERN STUFF, THEY HAVE ALL THAT.
SOMETIMES IN TODAY'S SATURDAY, WHEN YOU GO TO COURT, SOME
INDIVIDUAL IS GOING TO QUESTION WHERE ALL THESE THINGS ARE
AT AND WHAT HAPPENS AND HOW YOU TREAT THEM.
AND IS IT HUMIDITY -- DOES IT CHANGE THE VALUE OF SOMETHING.
AND MANY YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS WORKING FOR THE STATE AS
STEWARD JUDGING HORSE RACING.
ALL THE EVIDENCE WE HAD, EVERY HORSE THAT RUNS, THAT
FINISHES FIRST AND SECOND, THE BLOOD AND URINE IS SENT TO
GAINESVILLE AND THEY GAVE ALWAYS TOUR OF ALL THAT AND AMAZE
WHAT THEY CAN FIND.
I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IN A DIFFERENT WAY, BUT
THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU KEEP AND FIND IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT
AS YOU WELL KNOW, ALL OF US KNOW.
AND MAKING SURE THAT THE PERSON IS ISN'T OR GUILTY OF A
CRIME.
YOU CAN FIND BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.
AND I WANT TO THANK YOU AND THE CHIEF AND THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT, WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND ALL YOUR STAFF AND ALL
THE MEMBERS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
YOU GO TO HAVE IT IN ORDER TO PRODUCE WHAT YOU NEED.
02:44:48PM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
02:44:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN, CARLSON, HURTAK.
YOUR MICS ON.
02:44:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I NEED CHIEF BENNETT UP HERE.
BECAUSE I HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM.
JOHN.
WHAT IS -- I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD OPPOSE THIS BECAUSE IT IS
CLEARLY SOMETHING THAT WE NEED.
WE HAVE FALLEN WOEFULLY BEHIND IN NOT JUST THE PHYSICAL
QUARTERS BUT THE TECHNOLOGY.
CLEARLY AN ABSOLUTE NEED.
MY QUESTION IS -- REFERENCES OUR PREVIOUS CONVERSATION ABOUT
THIS.
ARE WE JUST NOT THINKING BIG ENOUGH BECAUSE WE HAVE AN
ANTIQUATED BUILDING NEXT DOOR AND A LOT OF ACREAGE ON HOWARD
AVENUE, WHY WE ARE NOT ACCOMMODATING EVERYTHING UP THIS.
AS WE BUILD THIS OUT AND BOND IT ANYWAY, WE KNOW WE HAVE
THAT NEED AND FAR LAY THE VALUE OF THIS PROPERTY AT SOME
POINT AS WELL.
ARE WE -- ARE WE THINKING TOO SMALL?
SHOULD WE BE INCORPORATING THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS AND WHAT
YOU SAY ON THE SAME PIECE OF PROPERTY.
THAT -- I WOULD JUST LIKE THAT QUESTION ANSWERED.
02:45:49PM >> I THINK IT IS A GOOD QUESTION.
AND I WENT BACK TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE TALKED TO JEAN DUNCAN'S OFFICE AND THOUGHT MAYBE WE COULD
PUT A THUMBNAIL AROUND THAT AND IF PRICE IS EXORBITANT.
IT IS TO, FIRST OF ALL, THE TIMING FOR THIS PROJECT IS --
EVIDENCE-GRADE ACCREDITATION STANDARD FACILITY IS CRITICAL
AS YOU HEARD THE CHIEF SAID.
SECONDLY TO BOOST THAT -- OF COURSE, HAVING CONTROL OF THE
DIRT IS GREAT.
I THINK THAT IS AN EXCELLENT POINT.
BUT THE PRICE DIFFERENCE.
AND I THINK THE ASSESSMENT OF TPD, THE RECONFIGURATION, THE
SIZING, EFFICIENCY WILL TAKE SOME TIME.
I AM NOT SURE -- BE FROM A SCALE POINT OF VIEW, IF WE ARE
READY TO DO THAT.
02:46:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I GRASP THAT CON ACCEPT THAT WE ARE NOT
READY BECAUSE WE DON'T REALIZE THE SCALE OF WHO WITHER
TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE AND FACILITIES.
AS WE ARE BUILDING THIS OUT ON HOWARD AVENUE, ARE WE CLOSING
DOORS ON -- OBVIOUSLY I HAVEN'T BEEN TO THIS PIECE OF
PROPERTY, FOOTPRINT THAT WE ARE UTILIZING.
IS THAT OPTION BE CLOSED TO US IF WE MOVE FORWARD ON THAT.
02:47:01PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I WILL LET JEAN DUNCAN WITH MORE EXPERTISE
WORKING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
02:47:05PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
JEAN DUNCAN WITH INSTRUCTIONAL MOBILITY.
02:47:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EVERYBODY'S VOICE.
02:47:12PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
JUST SOME QUICK INFO ON THE PROPERTY IN
QUESTION ON HOWARD AVENUE.
THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS A L-SHAPED PROPERTY.
THERE ARE 385 TREE ON THE PROPERTY.
MANY ARE GRAND OAKS.
T PD IS DOING THEIR ANNEX A MUCH CLEARER SPOT THAN IN THAT
AREA.
THE OTHER THING IS, IT WILL HAVE ADEQUATE ACCESS TO THE
PURPOSE OF THE ANNEX ON HOWARD AVENUE.
THIS PROPERTY DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE
WHICH WILL REALLY BE A NECESSITY TO HAVE A BIGGER FACILITY
AT THAT LOCATION.
IT DOESN'T EVEN SEEM FEASIBLE AT THIS POINT THROUGH QUICK
CURSORY PLANNING THAT ACCESS CAN BE OBTAINED TO HILLSBOROUGH
AVENUE.
EXCUSE ME.
QUICK AND EASY DEAL BREAKERS ON THE PROPERTY THAT WERE
IDENTIFIED THAT WILL NOT WORK.
AS CHIEF BERCAW SAID.
A CRITICAL NEED.
THIS PROPERTY WAS AVAILABLE FOR THIS NEED AND THE DECISION
TO MOVE ON THE FACILITY AND TO GET THE ANNEX PUT TOGETHER SO
WE DON'T HAVE ISSUES WITH THE EVIDENCE AND FORENSICS.
02:48:21PM >>LEE BERCAW:
A GREAT POINT AND AGREE WITH YOU 100%.
LOOKING INTO IT DIDN'T SEEM FEASIBLE FOR US.
02:48:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO
ACCOMPLISH ON THE PROPERTY.
I WAS AFRAID THAT WE MISSED AN OPPORTUNITY RELOCATE.
AND I DIDN'T WANT TO MISS THAT IF WE COULD DIG DEEP --
02:48:39PM >>LEE BERCAW:
IF THERE WAS A WAY TO MAKE IT HAPPEN, WE WOULD
ALL BE SUPPORTING IT RIGHT NOW.
02:48:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD, THANK YOU.
02:48:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WILL GO TO COUNCILMAN VIERA AND THEN
CARLSON AND HURTAK.
02:48:48PM >>LUIS VIERA:
NO, MY REMARKS ARE VERY LIMITED, MR. CHAIR.
I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY I AM GLAD TO SUPPORT THIS.
AND BY WHATEVER MEANS WE HAVE TO.
FOR ME, I THINK COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SAID IT BEST.
IN IS A NEED, NOT AT THAT WANT, AND WE HAVE TO GET IT FUNDED
BY ANY MEANS WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US.
SO COUNT ME ON BOARD FOR IT.
I THINK THIS IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
AND, YEAH, I MEAN, FOR ME, AGAIN, I CONTINUE TO SAY THAT I
THINK FOR OUR POLICE AND FIRE NEEDS AND WE CONTINUE TO LOOK
AT REVENUE ENHANCEMENTS THAT ARE DIRECTLY TIED TO POLICE AND
FIRE, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE.
I STILL GO BACK TO IT.
I DON'T MEAN TO RELITIGATE LAST YEAR, BUT THE WIDE VARIETY
OF PROJECTS FOR A TAX INCREASE THE PUBLIC WASN'T GOOD WITH,
BUT A NARROW TAX INCREASE OF 2 TO 3 A MONTH FOR HOUSEHOLDS
FOR YOU GUYS AND FIRE FIGHTERS.
THERE IS AN APPETITE FOR THAT.
THAT IS NOT ON THE TABLE THIS YEAR, BUT PROBABLY THE LAST
TIME I TALK ABOUT IT.
I GLADLY SUPPORT THIS.
02:49:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND HURTAK.
02:50:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I AM A COMMUNICATION GUY AND I THINK OF
COMMUNICATING WITH THE PUBLIC.
I RECOMMEND ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE PRICE TAG ON THIS,
THAT YOU INCLUDE COMMUNICATION.
WHAT IS THE BENEFIT TO THE PUBLIC.
THAT IT IS EASY TO SEE THE ORGANIZATIONAL -- I AM -- I AM
KIND OF OCD OF ORGANIZATION.
I LIKE THE NEW SYSTEM BETTER.
BUT THE -- THE OTHER THING, THE BENEFITS TO THE PUBLIC IS
THAT EVIDENCE IS USED TO PROVE INNOCENCE OR GUILT.
AND WE KNOW SOME COLD CASES HAVE COME BACK 20, 30, 40 YEARS
LATER, AND THIS EVIDENCE IS CRITICAL.
IF THE EVIDENCE HAPPENED TO BE ON THE GROUND FLOOR OF A
PLACE THAT FLOODED, WE DON'T HAVE IT ANYMORE.
I THINK THE BENEFIT TO THE PUBLIC IS THAT JUSTICE IS SERVED
IN FINDING INNOCENCE OR GUILT.
NOT THE EXACT WORD.
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THE OTHER THINGS ALONG THE LINES OF QUESTIONS.
DR. CHIEF.
CAN YOU TELL US JUST WHAT -- WHAT THE STATUS IS OF THE
HEADQUARTERS.
YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE -- ONCE THIS IS DONE AND YOU MOVE.
YOU WILL HAVE TWO EXTRA FLOORS.
IS THE BLUE BUILDING STILL NEEDING SUCH REPAIR THAT YOU ARE
GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE AND ANY GUESS TO A TIMELINE AND HOW
MUCH.
02:51:17PM >>LEE BERCAW:
DEFINITELY IN OUR LONG FIVE-YEAR PLAN TO HAVE
A NEW HEADQUARTERS.
BUT RIGHT NOW NOT THE MONEY AVAILABLE TO DO THAT PROJECT,
OTHERWISE WE WOULD FIND A WAY TO MAKE THAT OTHER PIECE OF
PROPERTY WORK.
THERE IS JUST -- SOMETHING THAT WE SEE DOWN THE ROAD WITHIN
A FIVE-YEAR PROJECT.
IF WE FOUND A PIECE OF LAND THAT WILL WORK RIGHT NOW, WE
WOULD PROBABLY BE BACK HERE NEXT YEAR TALKING OF THAT.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY AT THIS POINT.
02:51:45PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WITHOUT GIVING AWAY ANYTHING CONFIDENTIAL.
WHAT IS THE CRITERIA.
DOES IT MATTER WHAT PART OF TOWN.
% BERCAW OBVIOUSLY WE WANT IT ACCESSIBLE TO OUR COMMUNITY.
OTHER THAN THAT, NO, NOT REALLY.
IN THE CITY, ACCESSIBLE TO THE COMMUNITY, WITHIN AN AREA
THAT WE CAN IN AND OUT AN EN CONGRESS AND EACH CONGRESS AS
WELL.
02:52:05PM >>BILL CARLSON:
OKAY, THANK YOU.
02:52:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:52:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE NO DOUBT THIS IS A NEED.
I HAVE NO DOUBT.
BUT WHAT CONCERNS ME LOOKING AT THIS -- AND THIS IS NOT
TOWARD YOU TFR, BUT MY CONCERN IS, WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO
FIX THINGS FOR ACTUAL HUMAN BEINGS AND FIRE RESCUE FOR YEARS
NOW.
AND WE ARE -- WE ARE KICKING IT DOWN -- THE CAN -- WE ARE
KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD AGAIN.
I AM GOING TO ASK CHIEF TRIPP A FEW QUESTIONS, IF YOU DON'T
MIND.
I AM VERY UPSET WITH THE FACT THAT THE MAINTENANCE AND
SUPPLY SHOP HAS BEEN KICKED DOWN THE ROAD FOR NEXT YEAR.
THAT IMPLY NOT ACCEPTABLE.
WE CAN NOT GO ON WITH THIS.
WE MUST FIND -- AND FIND SPACE AND START THE BUILDING THIS
COMING YEAR.
LIKE, THERE IS -- WE FOUGHT FOR IT LAST YEAR, AND IT JUST
DIDN'T HAPPEN.
IT US FROM RATES ME THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS,
WHICH IS A NEEDED PROJECT.
BUT FIRE -- IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A PRIORITY FOR THE
ADMINISTRATION AND THAT IS FRUSTRATING.
I WAS HOPING THAT CHIEF TRIPP COULD COME UP AND TALK TO US
AS TO WHY TFR, WHY THE MAINTENANCE AND SUPPLY SHOP IS NO
LONGER ON THE BUDGET FOR THIS FY '25 AND MOVED TO FY '26.
02:53:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SHE IS GOING TO PRESENT NEXT.
ANYTHING TO ADD TO TPD --
02:53:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING OF FIRE RESCUE.
I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS.
BUT MY CONCERN IS, I WOULD REALLY RATHER WAIT A YEAR AND PUT
MONEY TOWARD FIRE.
BECAUSE THAT IS A NEED.
AND IT IS PEOPLE.
UP UNDERSTAND THE THING ABOUT EVIDENCE, BUT PEOPLE.
OUR -- -- OUR FIRE FIGHTERS ARE IN SUCH DANGEROUS CONDITIONS
RIGHT NOW IN THE FIRE STATIONS THAT THEY ARE IN.
IF WE DON'T START MOVING THEM AND MAKING IT BETTER FOR THEM,
TO ME, THAT'S -- I HAVE A HARD TIME TREATING OUR PERSONNEL
THAT WAY.
02:54:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
TO WRAP IT UP, I TOOK A TOUR OF THE -- OF THE EVIDENCE ROOM,
AND -- THE BUILDING IS 1962.
SO YOU HAVE TO WORK IN THAT SPACE.
AND I CAN SEE -- I CAN SEE THE NEED.
WHAT BOTHERED ME THE MOST WAS THE FACT THAT -- LEARNING THE
FACT THERE IS, LIKE, EVIDENCE VANS.
AND THE EVIDENCE IS CARTED UP THE ELEVATOR.
AND THEN TAKEN TO THE SPACE.
HOW MUCH CONTAMINATION IS THERE?
HOW MANY HANDS ARE TOUCHING THAT BEFORE YOU GET IT TO A SAFE
AND SECURE LOCATION WHEN EVIDENCE CAN BE, YOU KNOW, MAKE OR
BREAK, GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY, BREAK A CASE.
I SEE IT.
I LOVE THAT BUILDING, BUT THE BUILDING WAS ORIGINALLY A BANK
AND OFFICE SPACE.
TPD AND TAMPA HAS GROWN.
DEFINITELY A NEED AND WITH THAT, WE HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH THE
CHANGES IN -- IN SOCIETY.
CHANGES IN TECHNOLOGY AND WHAT NOT.
SO I TOTALLY GET IT.
I UNDERSTAND IT IS A HUGE AMOUNT, BUT IT IS A NEED.
SO I WAS GOING TO WRAP IT UP, BUT COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
02:55:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THEN I HAVE TO CHIME IN.
OFF OF COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
MY UNDERSTANDING, DENNIS OR -- SO THE -- THE TPD HOWARD
AVENUE ANNEX BUILDING WE ARE PLANNING ON BONDING, CORRECT?
02:55:26PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
YES, SIR.
02:55:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOT PAY GO.
02:55:29PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
BONDING.
02:55:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT IS NOT IF THIS OR THAT.
02:55:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FIRE STATIONS ARE NOT PAY GO EITHER.
02:55:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOT EXCLUSIVE.
02:55:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVEN'T BEEN
02:55:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS A NEED.
WE CAN SET THAT ASIDE AND SAY THIS IS A NEED AND THIS IS A
NEED AND HAVE THAT AS A SEPARATE CONVERSATION.
02:55:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE FIRE STATIONS SINCE THE 1950 ARE IN NEED
AS WELL.
AND THAT IS MY POINT
02:55:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD CONVERSATION.
I DON'T HAVE TO SAY WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO THIS BUT THAT.
02:55:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE IS THE THING.
THAT WILL HAPPEN AND THE FIRE STATIONS AREN'T.
02:56:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THEY ARE COMPARABLE.
ONE IS NOT DEPENDENT UPON THE OTHER.
02:56:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, BUT IT IS ALWAYS THE WAY IT WORKS.
02:56:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
02:56:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CHIEF TRIPP, YOU ARE NEXT.
CHIEF TRIPP.
02:56:20PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SHE'S COMING.
02:56:21PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MR. CHAIR.
02:56:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.
02:56:24PM >>LUIS VIERA:
JUST FOR POLICE.
CAN WE LET CHIEF AND ASSISTANT CHIEF GO RIGHT NOW OR DO WE
NEED THEM ANY FURTHER?
02:56:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MAYBE THEY ENJOY THEIR TIME WITH US.
02:56:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I THOUGHT YOU LIKE TO HANG OUT WITH US.
02:56:38PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF UNITED STATES TO GO --
02:56:40PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
GIRL POWER.
02:56:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
02:56:44PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
GOOD AFTERNOON, BARBARA TRIPP, FEAR CHIEF,
TAMPA FIRE RESCUE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO START.
OF COURSE THE ITEMS THAT ARE IN THE BUDGET, IT IS DEFINITELY
STUFF THAT WE NEED.
WE TALK MUCH THE FIRE STATIONS, THAT HAS BEEN ONE OF MY
CHALLENGES SENSE I HAVE BEEN IN THIS POSITION TO TALK ABOUT
THE NEED FOR THE FIRE STATIONS.
IF WE TALK OF THE AGES OF THE FIRE STATIONS, I HAVE SOME
STATIONS THAT SINCE THE 1914, 1921, MAJORITY 1958.
I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR PROPERTY FOR THE FLEET MAINTENANCE
AS WELL, WHICH WAS BUILT IN 1958.
IF WE THINK ABOUT WHEN THE FIRE SERVICE FIRST STARTED IN
1895, IT WAS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SO THEY HAVE EMS WITH IT.
AND IN THE 70s IS WHEN EMS STARTED MERGING AND WITH THE FIRE
SERVICE.
AND, OF COURSE, THEY DID NOT EXTEND THOSE STATIONS TO
ACCOMMODATE A LOT OF THE TRANSPORT UNITS.
SO AT THE SAME TIME, THE WAIT I FEEL, IS THAT WE ARE
OVERCROWDED OF STATION 9.
I HAVE THREE UNITS OPERATING OUT OF THAT STATION IN WHICH IT
WAS REALLY MANNED FOR ONE APPARATUS.
WE ACTUALLY HAD TO HAVE FACILITY COME OUT AND EXTEND THE
STATION A LITTLE BIT MORE ONCE WE PUT A TRUCK IN THAT
FACILITY.
SO THE MAJORITY OF THE STATIONS ARE 1958.
AND I HAVE BEEN LOOKING TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THEM REMODELLED
AND UPGRADED.
PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THE STORM WE HAD, KNOCK ON WOOD, THAT IT
WAS MORE OF A RAIN CATEGORY 1 HURRICANE THAT ACTUALLY KIND
OF HIT THE BEND OF FLORIDA.
BUT USUALLY WHEN WE START PREPARING FOR A NATURAL DISASTER,
WE HAVE TO BRING PERSONNEL BACK IN TO STAGE AT THE FIRE
STATION.
AND RIGHT NOW THE FIRE STATION DO NOT ACCOMMODATE BESIDES
ONE TYPICAL BASIC SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
AND THEY CAN'T EVEN HOLD THE ENTIRE SHIFT.
IF WE HAVE TO BRING IN MULTIPLE SHIFTS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
UP TO 25 TO 30 PEOPLE AT ONE STATION THAT PRETTY MUCH
ACCOMMODATES SIX TO EIGHT PEOPLE.
SO JUST LOOKING TO TRY TO SEE IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING TO
CONTINUE WITH REMODELING THE STATIONS, UPDATING THE STATIONS
AND PREPARING THEM FOR THE FUTURE OF THE FIRE FIGHTERS.
02:59:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ARE YOU DONE?
02:59:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN, VIERA -- HENDERSON
LOOKING AT THE LIGHTS.
02:59:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAD MY LIGHT ON FIRST BUT -- I WANT TO
KNOW.
IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET, WE HAD PUT -- WE HAD PLANNED THE ONE
POINT -- TALKING OF FIRE STATION '24.
IT SHOWS IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, $1.1 MILLION FROM THIS.
MY UNDERSTANDING FROM OUR ENTIRE DEBATE LAST YEAR, THAT LAND
HAS ALREADY BEEN CHOSEN.
THE DESIGNS ARE ALREADY BEING DONE.
WHY DON'T WE HAVE THE $20 MILLION FOR BUILDING THAT STATION
IN THIS FISCAL YEAR?
02:59:46PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
I AM BAD WHEN IT COMES TO BUDGET, BUT I KNOW
WE ARE USING CITY PROPERTY PARK CURRENTLY.
02:59:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
02:59:53PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
OF COURSE WE HAD IT SURVEYED AND DESIGNED
FOR IT.
03:00:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MAYBE MISS DUNCAN IS SAYING WHY WE ARE NOT
PAYING FOR THIS PROJECT SINCE IT NEEDS TO BE BUILT.
03:00:08PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
JEAN DUNCAN FOR MOBILITY AND MR. MUDDERBACK
WHICH IS OUR FIRE DIRECTOR.
IT IS GOING INTO SELECTION TOMORROW.
03:00:17PM >> IN THE MORNING.
03:00:17PM >> THE REASON THE MONEY IS HOW WE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
SELECT THE CONTRACTOR AND GET THE NOTICE TO PROCEED BEFORE
YOU.
IT WILL BE PAST OCTOBER 1st.
JUST SLIGHTLY PAST.
WE PUT THE MONEY IN '25.
03:00:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE MONEY IS IN '26 ACCORDING TO THIS.
03:00:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOT FOR '24.
03:00:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FIRE STATION 24, BETWEEN '26 AND '27.
03:00:47PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
MY APOLOGIES.
03:00:50PM >> THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR THE SELECTION PROCESS GOING INTO
DESIGN AND PERMITTING.
THAT PROCESS -- WE WILL NOT BE GETTING INTO THE GMP AND
CONSTRUCTION AT BEST OR 2026.
THAT WHOLE PROCESS -- YOU KNOW THE CCNA ADVERTISEMENT AND
SELECTION PROCESS AT BEST IS A FOUR TO SIX-MONTH DEAL.
AND THEN ONCE -- AFTER WE SELECT A FIRM LATER THIS WEEK.
POTENTIALLY THIS WEEK, THE MAYOR WILL SELECT A FIRM, AT
MINIMUM, 12 TO 18 MONTHS TO GO THROUGH NEGOTIATIONS, DESIGN,
AND PERMITTING BEFORE SHOVEL CAN BE PUT IN THE GROUND.
03:01:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO THEN -- THIS -- THIS IS ME MADE EVEN MORE
CONFUSE THEN.
BECAUSE WE JUST STARTED FINISHING TALKING OF THE POLICE
FORENSICS BUILDING WHICH IS ALL IMPORTANT.
WHICH IS THIS WILL BE BELT THIS YEAR.
ALL THE MONEY IN THIS FISCAL YEAR, $45 MILLION.
03:01:46PM >> WE ARE NEARING 100% COMPLETION OF THAT.
THAT RFQ CAME OUT TWO YEARS AGO.
IT WAS SELECTED AND WE ARE ALREADY IN THE PROCESS.
WE ARE ACTUALLY FINISHING UP BIDDABLE DOCUMENTS RIGHT NOW TO
PUT THAT OUT FOR -- FOR BEDFORD TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION.
03:02:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT WASN'T IN OUR CIP DISCUSSION LAST YEAR?
03:02:07PM >> THE DESIGN?
THE DESIGN MONEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE --
03:02:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
WE HEARD ABOUT IT FROM ONE OF THE FIRST TIMES ABOUT THREE OR
FOUR MONTHS AGO.
THAT IS WHEN THEY CAME TO US TO SHOW US WHAT THIS PROJECT
WAS.
03:02:21PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
IT HAS BEEN IN OUR GRADE A REPORT.
03:02:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE LAST GRADE A REPORT WAS THE ONLY ONE.
03:02:28PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHEN IT WAS FIRST VERBALLY
COMMUNICATED TO YOU, BUT IT HAS BEEN IN THE BUDGET, AS
RICHARD SAID.
THAT DESIGN PROJECT START TWO YEARS AGO.
THAT PROCESS IS STARTING ON FIRE STATION 24 TOMORROW.
03:02:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
CAN YOU TALK OF THE MAINTENANCE AND SUPPLY.
BASICALLY THE STAPLE THING.
$12.6 MILLION FOR FINDING LAND.
HOW ARE WE ON THAT?
MAYBE THAT IS A QUESTION FOR --
03:02:57PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
CHIEF TRIPP CAN TALK TO THAT.
WORKING WITH THE REAL ESTATE.
03:03:02PM >> I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT.
THEY HAVEN'T FOUND ANYTHING YET.
03:03:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
$1.2 ADDITIONAL MILLION FOR -- FOR THIS
FISCAL YEAR TOWARD THAT STILL?
03:03:16PM >> AGAIN, RICHARD MUDDERBACK, CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION.
WE ARE WORKING ON RFQ FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROCESS FOR THE
ASSESSMENT TO GET IT RUN CONCURRENTLY TRYING TO FIND REAL
ESTATE TO GET A BETTER ASSESSMENT OF THE NEED, SIZE AND
SCOPE OF WHAT THAT PROJECT MAY LOOK LIKE.
03:03:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
GLAD WE ARE TRYING TO MOVE THAT STUFF FORWARD.
UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH 9, 10 OR EVEN 6
REALLY UNTIL WE GOT ALL THAT STUFF MOVED.
I AM JUST NOT QUITE SURE HOW WE CAN ASK OR HOW WE CAN
PRIORITIZE FINDING THAT -- THAT LAND.
03:03:52PM >> ADRI COLINA, ASSET MANAGEMENT.
I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH CHIEF TRIPP FOR YEARS ON THIS.
I WILL TELL YOU IT IS NOT AS EASY AS ONE WILL THINK.
WE NEED AT LEAST SEVEN ACRES.
WE IDENTIFIED IN THE CITY LIMIT FINDING SEVEN CONTIGUOUS
ACRE IS NOT EASY.
WHEN WE FIND SOMETHING, WE LOOK AT IT, AND TURNING RADIUS IS
NOT FOR THE EQUIPMENT.
SIZE OF THE ENGINE ON THE BACK OF A TOW TRUCK.
JUST WHEN WE THINK WE ARE COMING CLOSE TO SOMETHING, WE
STUDY IT.
AND IT IS NOT GOING TO WORK IT.
WE FOUND SOMETHING ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
GOT CLOSE TO MAKE AN OFFER AND SOLD RIGHT FROM UNDERNEATH
US.
IT IS IN LITIGATION NOW.
WHEN WE TELL YOU WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT, WE HAVE BEEN
WORKING ON IT.
AND WE ARE HOPING TO FIND SOMETHING.
WITH RESPECT TO THE HOWARD AVENUE PROJECT -- SWITCHING
GEARS.
THAT PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED IN 2021.
A LAW OF AVERAGE.
YOU ARE SAYING WHY DID THIS COME OUT OF NOWHERE.
THAT IS JUST LIKE FIVE ACRES.
AS ADMINISTRATOR DUNCAN SAID, PART OF THAT IS VEGETATION.
NOT EVEN BUILDABLE.
AND WOULDN'T WORK FOR FIRE FLEET.
MY TEAM IS WORKING IN THERE IN SUPPORT OF OUR CUSTOMER FIRE.
AND WE ARE WORKING HARD.
SEVEN ACRES WITH A GOOD TURNING RADIUS IN THE CITY, WE ARE
ALL THERE.
03:05:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
QUESTION.
IS THERE A WAY WE CAN POSSIBLY RENT SOME STORAGE SPACE FOR
SUPPLY AND, YOU KNOW, JUST ABLE TO GET FIRE STATION 10
STARTED?
HAVE YOU ALL BEEN THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX IN TERMS OF THAT
IF WE CAN MOVE SUPPLY AND MAYBE FLEET TO RENTAL SPACE SO WE
CAN GET STARTED ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS?
OR IS THAT NOT REALLY BEEN A CONSIDERATION?
03:05:43PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
THAT IS A GOOD THOUGHT.
I WILL DEFINITELY BRING THAT UP.
I HAVE MONDAY MEETINGS TWICE A MONTH WITH ALL THE
DEPARTMENTS AND MAYBE SOMETHING TO BLOCK TO FIND AT THAT
STORAGE TO MOVE THE PROJECTS UP.
03:05:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT WAY IF WE CAN'T FIND FLEET AND SUPPLY
SPACE.
IF WE CAN RENT SPACE, WE CAN START 9 UPGRADES.
I KNOW A LOT OF WORK AND HASSLE, BUT IF WE CAN'T FIND SPACE.
I FEEL LIKE WE CAN'T LEAVE FIRE RESCUE WAITING FOR YEARS AND
YEARS AND INTO FOUGHT OF YOUR OWN OBVIOUSLY.
Y'ALL ARE WORKING VERY HARD.
WHAT ELSE DO WE DO.
I THINK IT IS TIME TO START THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX.
03:06:24PM >> WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK.
PLEASE MAKE NO MISTAKE THAT HAVEN'T STOPPED.
WE HAVE DONE UPGRADES.
AND SUPPLY IS LOCATED FROM FIRE FLEET.
SO THERE IS A LOCATION FOR THAT.
REALLY THE OUTGROWTH FOR FIRE FLEET.
03:06:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE THOUGHT IS ONCE SUPPLY IS GONE, THE
ENOUGH STATION 10 IS THERE AND WE WILL GET STARTED ON THAT
WHICH IS MY THOUGHT BEHIND THAT AS 24 IS MOVING FORWARD.
WHAT ELSE CAN WE GET MOVING FORWARD SLOWLY -- AS MUCH AS WE
CAN.
I MEAN, I HAVE TOURED SUPPLY.
AND MAYBE WE COULD FIND A WAREHOUSE SOMEWHERE THAT COULD
WORK.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT, AGAIN, IT IS TIME TO SORT OF THINK
OUTSIDE THE BOX AND FIGURE OUT WHAT ELSE WE CAN TO DO MOVE
SOME OF THESE PROJECTS ALONG.
CLENDENIN SPEAKING OUTSIDE THE BOX.
I KNOW YOU SAID INSIDE THE CITY.
IS THERE A REQUIREMENT THIS HAS TO BE LOCATED INSIDE THE
CITY?
DOESN'T TO BE IN SOUTH COUNTY, IF WE CAN FIND PROPERTY
ADJACENT TO THE CITY.
ARE YOU GUYS EXPANDING THAT SEARCH?
03:07:26PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY RULES THAT WE
CAN'T BE IN A CERTAIN LOCATION.
BUT I WILL TAKE ANYTHING.
03:07:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YEAH, EXACTLY.
WE ARE A WEIRDLY-SHAPED CITY.
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE CITY ADJACENT THAT I AM
SURE -- IF WE EXPAND THAT SEARCH, SURELY SOME PLACES WE CAN
LOOK AT TRIM TRIPP I WILL TAKE ANYTHING.
03:07:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN -- ANYONE ELSE.
03:07:50PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
UP APPRECIATE IT.
AND I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE DETAILS.
03:07:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
03:07:55PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
AND THANK YOU, AGAIN, FOR EVERYBODY FOR THIS.
THESE WERE BROUGHT FORWARD BECAUSE WHEN THE -- WHEN THE TAX
DIDN'T PASS LAST YEAR, IT -- WE HAVE TO BOND THESE ENTIRELY.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE VERY, VERY NECESSARY.
ALWAYS ASSUME WITH FLEET MAINTENANCE, GIVEN THE INCLUSION OF
BUYING NEW PROPERTY THIS ISN'T SOMETHING WE WOULDN'T REALLY
SEE UNTIL 2026-'27.
BECAUSE THAT IS SUCH A DIFFICULT ENDEAVOR.
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN MAKES A GREAT POINT, WE CAN LOOK
OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS.
I MEAN, GOSH, PARTS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT YOU KNOW WILL
GO INTO UNIVERSITY AREA, NEW TAMPA.
YOU THROW A STONE, AND YOU ARE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
SO I THINK THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING TO LOOK AT.
GOES WITHOUT SAYING.
I DO KNOW -- I BELIEVE THAT THE STATUS OF PROPERTY
ACQUISITION FOR THE FLEET MAINTENANCE IS COMING BACK TO
COUNCIL I THINK THIS OCTOBER I MOTIONED FOR IT TO COME BACK.
LET ME ASK YOU, CHIEF.
WHAT DO YOU THINK -- AND WON'T HOLD THIS TO YOU 110%, BUT
WITH FIRE STATION 24.
WHEN DO YOU THINK WE WILL BREAK GROUND ON IT.
WITHIN A YEAR ROUGHLY?
TRIPP SORRY, WHAT WOULD WANT IS YESTERDAY.
BUT AS FAR AS THE PROCESS MR. MUDDERBACK STATES, AS FAR AS
THE PROCESS OF SELECTION.
SO WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING THE CCNA TOMORROW.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT NORMALLY TAKES.
03:09:30PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, MA'AM.
YEAH.
03:09:35PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
03:09:36PM >>LUIS VIERA:
DISSIDENT VOICES THAT SAID WE WANT A FIRE
STATION ELSEWHERE.
WE OWN THE PROPERTY AND EXPEDITE IT.
WITHOUT THIS, TWO YEARS AND ON TO THE NEXT MAYOR BECAUSE
PROPERTY ACCESSION, ESPECIALLY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA TAKES A
LONG TIME.
FOR ME, WHAT I WANT TO SEE FOR FIRE -- AND YOU KNOW SO MANY
NEEDS THAT WE HAVE, BUT BY THE END OF THIS TERM, OBVIOUSLY
FINISH STATION 24.
GET FLEET MAINTENANCE.
USE THIS TO EXPAND SERVICE IN WEST TAMPA, AND TRY TO GET AT
LEAST ON FIRST BASE FOR SOME ADDITION DOWNTOWN.
YOU KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT EXPANDING, ONE, SOMETHING
ADDITIONAL IN CHANNELSIDE.
WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I KNOW I WOULD LOVE TO SEE -- AND I
KNOW WOULD YOU LOVE TO SEE THAT.
OBVIOUSLY I AM PREACHING TO THE CHOIR HERE OBVIOUSLY IN THAT
REGARD.
BUT WHAT I CONTINUE TO SAY FOR THESE THINGS AND ALL THE
NEEDS WE HAVE IN FIRE, YOU KNOW, EVEN WITH CIT, WE NEED
REVENUE.
I JUST ALWAYS SAY THAT.
WE NEED REVENUE TO DO THIS UNLESS BOND, BOND, BOND UNTIL WE
GO CRAZY.
WE ALWAYS WILL NEED REVENUE FOR THAT.
THAT'S IT. THANK YOU, MA'AM, FOR YOUR HARD WORK.
WE APPRECIATE YOU.
03:10:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IF NO FURTHER COMMENTS.
YES, MA'AM.
03:10:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST HAVE A GENERAL COMMENT, NOT ABOUT
FIRE.
BUT I WAS GOING TO ASK MR. ROGERO, AND THEN MAYBE -- MAYBE
PART OF THIS IS CHIEF BENNETT, INTO.
WHAT -- I WAS LOOKING -- PLANNED -- COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ONE
OF HIS COMMENTS MADE ME THINK ABOUT IT.
ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IN THE OPERATING
WORKSHOP IS PERSONNEL OPENINGS.
I KNOW THAT IT SHOWS -- THERE ARE SOME OPENINGS THAT SINCE I
HAVE BEEN DOING THE BUDGET, THESE POSITIONS HAVE BEEN OPEN.
SO I AM CURIOUS HOW MANY POSITIONS -- IF WE LOOK AT ALL THE
POSITIONS, SAY, YOU KNOW, 52 HAS BEEN OPEN FOR
THREE YEARS.
AND -- IS IT STILL REALLY NECESSARY?
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT AND HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE FOR
THESE POSITIONS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN OPENED FOR -- THAT HAVEN'T
BEEN OPENED FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
03:11:53PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
GREAT QUESTION.
UPON THIS ADMINISTRATION'S START, WE HAD SET A TARGET FOR
EACH OF THE GROUPS TO WORK WITH THE 5% ATTRITION RATE.
COUNCIL DOES AN AMAZING JOB OF APPROVING THE PROJECT, PUBLIC
IS BEHIND THAT.
WE NEED THE RESOURCES TO WORK IN THE FIELD.
ANYTHING THAT BREAKS THAT SEAL, WE TRY TO HAVE THAT
DEPARTMENT WORK WITH ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS AND RECRUITING AND
ETC.
AND CHIEF ROGERO'S OFFICE, WE HAD WORKED RECENTLY WITH HIS
TEAM AND DEVELOPED A NEAR REALTIME DASHBOARD TO LOOK AT THAT
INFORMATION SO THEY CAN HAVE A BETTER SITUATION AWARENESS IN
RUNNING A REPORT.
THE OTHER CHALLENGE, WHICH, AGAIN VAR PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN
THE DEPARTMENT AND HUMAN RESOURCES, IF PERSON ONE, TWO ,
THREE, FOUR LEAVES THIS WEEK AND WANT TO GO BACK AND FILL
POSITIONS, ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR.
POSITION FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT MAY GO DOWN THE TIMELINE.
FILL FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT BEFORE WE FILL ONE, TWO,
THREE, FOUR AND NOT 108 LAGS OR 90 DAY LAGS.
THAT IS HOUSEKEEPING ON THE BACK END AND YOU WILL SEE THEM
WORKING ON THAT.
YOU WILL SEE THAT MOVE THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT
DEPARTMENTS.
WE ARE IN -- I THINK THE CITY OF TAMPA THROUGH YOUR
LEADERSHIP, OBVIOUSLY THE MAYOR ADMINISTRATION AND THE WE
HAVE A VERY GOOD JOB HIRING COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES I HAVE
SEEN AROUND THE COUNTRY.
SO, AGAIN, I THINK WE ARE POSTURED AS WELL AND A MATTER
OF THRU-PUT.
MOST OF OUR SUPPORT DEPARTMENTS ARE SEVERELY UNDERSTAFF BY
RATIO OF A GOVERNMENT OUR SIZE.
WE WILL FIND OTHER EFFICIENCIES TO MAKE SURE WE WILL HAVE
THE BANDWIDTH TO SUPPORT IN THE SUPPORTING DEPARTMENTS AND
WILL BE PUTTING ALL THE ENERGY TO THE FRONT LINES.
03:13:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APPRECIATE THAT.
LIKE I SAID, REGINA SIEWERT NOT LOOKING FOR POSITIONS THAT
ARE OPEN ONE OR TWO MONTHS.
I AM LOOKING FOR SOME THAT ARE OPEN FOR A COUPLE OF BUDGET
CYCLES AND TALKING ABOUT WHY.
AND DO -- IF -- I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT DATA AND WE WILL
SEE HOW MUCH MONEY AND, LIKE, SPACE WE HAVE FOR THOSE FOLKS.
03:14:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY ELSE?
03:14:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN I ASK A QUESTION FOR MR. BHIDE.
WILL YOU PROVIDE A REPORT OF HOW MANY -- EITHER FEET, MILES,
WHATEVER INCREMENTS OF PAVING.
REPAVING, RESURFACING YOU ARE PLANNING ON ACCOMPLISHING
WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA IN THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR?
03:14:27PM >>VIK BHIDE:
SURE.
I WILL SUBMIT IT AS PART OF THE -- VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF
THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
I WILL SUBMIT IT AS IS PART OF THE SAME MEMO THAT SPEAKS OF
THE $7 MILLION AND HOW IT --
03:14:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I APPRECIATE IT.
SO WE HAVE A CLEAR EXPECTATION AFTERNOON
AND MISUNDERSTANDING.
03:14:47PM >>VIK BHIDE:
THE GIST IS 17 TO 18 MILES PER QUARTER TO BE
ABLE TO MAINTAIN OR EXCEED THAT GOING FORWARD.
BIG DIFFERENCE, OR THE -- THE BENEFITS THAT YOU WILL SEE.
AND WE HAVE SEEN THIS YEAR IS, THESE RAINY MONTHS.
WE FOUND BETTER PROCESSES TO CONTINUE TO DO REPAVING.
THAT IS WHEN HISTORICALLY YOU SAW SIGNIFICANT DROP-OFF.
AND WE FOCUS IN DRIER MONTHS.
03:15:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SIDEWALKS AS WELL, AND LOOKING FORWARD
YOUR REPORT OF BRINGING SOME OF THE STUFF IN-HOUSE AND BE
ABLE TO EXPAND THAT.
03:15:19PM >>VIK BHIDE:
MAY I INCLUDE THAT IN THE SAME WRITTEN REPORT
THAT YOU'VE REQUESTED ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS?
03:15:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PER.
03:15:28PM >>VIK BHIDE:
WELL, YOU CAN'T MAKE A MOTION TODAY BUT INCLUDE
THAT INFORMATION.
03:15:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:15:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL ACTUAL LEGAL EXPAND ON THAT.
BECAUSE WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, AND MIGHT BE EASIER FOR
YOU.
IF YOU CAN DO -- I KNOW THERE ARE DIFFERENT -- YOU WERE
TALKING ABOUT HOW WE PAVE IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
THE PAVING THAT STRICTLY PAVING.
THE PAVING DONE WITH STORMWATER FUNDS.
AND THE PAVING THAT IS DONE WITH, YOU KNOW, VISION ZERO TYPE
MOBILITY GRANTS.
I THINK IF YOU PUT THEM IN THREAT DIFFERENT BUCKETS, IT WILL
HELP US UNDERSTAND THAT, YES, THIS IS TRADITIONAL PAVING.
THIS IS COVERING FOR STORMWATER WORK OR SLASH PIPES WORK.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, VISION ZERO.
AND TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY, BUT I THINK THAT MIGHT HELP
YOU SO THAT YOU ARE NOT -- WE ARE NOT GIVING THE PUBLIC THE
IDEA THEY WILL GET 50 MILES PAVED OR 100 MILES PAVED, IT IS
REALLY, YOU KNOW, 50 MILES OF ROAD, 30 MILES OF
STORMWATER/PIPES.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, 20 MILES OF -- OF VISION ZERO.
03:16:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MY IMPRESSION OF THAT IS -- AND I KNOW YOU
THINK -- YOU -- YOUR PUTTING IT IN YOUR HAT AS PAVING, I AM
LOOKING AT SATISFYING THE NEEDS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY ARE NOT WORRIED -- GREATS THAT HOWARD AVENUE IS GET
REGULAR PAVED AS PART AIR FORCE BIGGER PROJECT.
THEY WANT TO KNOW HOW COME THEIR INTERBAY IS NOT GETTING
REPAVED OR.
03:17:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU WANT TO DO THE WHOLE GAMUT AND BIGGER
NUMBERS.
03:17:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HAVING MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING AND A BETTER
PROCESS SO WE ARE ALL SPEAKING ON THE SAME PAGE.
I AGREE WITH THAT.
03:17:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT CONCLUDES THE AGENDA.
ALL RIGHT, WE WILL BE BACK THURSDAY MORNING, 9 A.M.
WE ARE ADJOURNED.
THANK YOU.
ONE SECOND -- MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM COUNCILMAN
VIERA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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