TAMPA CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL CALL MEETING
MONDAY, AUGUST 19, 2024, 9:00 A.M.
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09:04:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS SPECIALLY
09:04:24AM CALLED CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER.
09:04:26AM AT THIS TIME, CAN WE HAVE ROLL CALL?
09:04:28AM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
09:04:28AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT.
09:04:32AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
09:04:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
09:04:34AM >>CLERK: YOU HAVE OF A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:04:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA WILL BE JUST A FEW
09:04:38AM MINUTES LATE.
09:04:39AM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN WILL NOT BE AT TODAY'S MEETING.
09:04:42AM I BELIEVE HE SUBMITTED A MEMO.
09:04:44AM MR. SHELBY -- AND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS HERE.
09:04:47AM MR. SHELBY, DO YOU WANT TO GO OVER --
09:04:51AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
09:04:54AM MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
09:04:57AM THE SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP AND PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE
09:05:01AM LIMITED TO THE SPECIALLY CALLED WORKSHOP.
09:05:03AM MEMBERS OF PUBLIC CAN ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL FOR THREE MINUTES
09:05:07AM AFTER PRESENTATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE.
09:05:09AM AFTER PRESENTATION ON EACH SUBJECT, ITEMS ONE, TWO AND
09:05:13AM THREE, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK.
09:05:14AM THANK YOU.
09:05:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:05:17AM NO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:05:19AM GENERAL COMMENT AFTER EACH ITEM MEANING YOU WILL HAVE THREE
09:05:22AM OPPORTUNITIES TO SPEAK AT PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:05:24AM THERE WAS A REQUEST BY THE CHIEF OF STAFF FOR ITEM NUMBER 3
09:05:28AM TO GO FIRST, BECAUSE THERE IS A -- THERE IS A POLICE
09:05:33AM FUNERAL.
09:05:34AM AS YOU CAN SEE, SOME OF THE -- THE CHIEF AND OTHERS ARE
09:05:39AM DRESSED IN THEIR FULL -- FULL UNIFORM FOR THAT.
09:05:41AM WE WILL START WITH ITEM NUMBER 3.
09:05:44AM YES, SIR.
09:05:45AM CHIEF BERCAW, COME ON UP.
09:05:48AM >>LEE BERCAW: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:06:02AM YES, THANK YOU FOR ACKNOWLEDGING THAT DETECTIVE ESTEVEZ DIED
09:06:09AM TOO SOON.
09:06:10AM HE WAS OUR AGE.
09:06:11AM WE WILL BE THERE HONORING HIM THIS MORNING.
09:06:14AM I'M HERE WITH MY TEAM, DEPUTY CHIEF CATE, DEPUTY CHIEF
09:06:18AM OWEN, DIRECTOR OF LOGISTICS AND ASSET
09:06:26AM MANAGEMENT ADRIANA COLINA AND DIRECTOR OF CONTRACT
09:06:28AM ADMINISTRATION, RICHARD MUTTERBACK.
09:06:30AM WE WORK TOGETHER AS A TEAM, TPD, LAMM, AND CAD AND OTHER
09:06:35AM DEPARTMENTS TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THE FACILITIES THAT WE
09:06:37AM NEED FOR OUR CONDITIONS AND, OF COURSE, TO COMPLY TO OUR LAW
09:06:41AM ENFORCEMENT STANDARDS.
09:06:41AM PART OF THAT WE PRESENTED EARLIER THIS MONTH IS HAVING
09:06:45AM UP-TO-DATE FORENSIC TECHNOLOGY AND STORAGE AND PROCESSING
09:06:49AM AREAS.
09:06:49AM THE HOWARD AVENUE ANNEX WILL BE JUST THAT.
09:06:53AM WE ARE A PREMIERE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY WHERE THE MEMBER OF
09:06:56AM THE MAJOR CITY CHIEFS ASSOCIATION, MEMBER OF THE POLICE
09:07:00AM EXECUTIVE RESEARCH QUORUM, AMONG MANY OTHER AGENCIES.
09:07:03AM AND A LOT OF THOSE AGENCIES LOOK TO US FOR BEST PRACTICES.
09:07:07AM WE WENT TO OUR SISTER CITIES OF ORLANDO AND ST. PETE AND
09:07:11AM GLEANED A LOT OF BEST PRACTICES FROM THEM IN THIS PROJECT
09:07:13AM THAT WERE WE ARE PROPOSING.
09:07:16AM WE VACATED THE OLD IMPOUND LOT ON 34th STREET TO MAKE WAY
09:07:20AM FOR SOLID WASTE AND THEIR PLAN.
09:07:22AM AND THIS IS PART OF THE REASON THAT WE ARE IN THIS
09:07:25AM SITUATION; HOWEVER, WE STILL NEEDED UPGRADED FACILITIES.
09:07:28AM SO I WILL BRING UP ADRIANA COLINA FIRST AND THEN RICHARD
09:07:37AM MUTTERBACK AND DEPUTY CHIEF CATE FOR THE PRESENTATION.
09:07:40AM >>ADRIANA COLINA: THANK YOU, CHIEF.
09:07:44AM GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:07:45AM THIS ADRIANA COLINA, DIRECTOR OF ASSET MANAGEMENT.
09:07:51AM WE ARE IN HERE TODAY IN RESPONSE OF COUNCIL'S MOTION OF THE
09:07:56AM CHRONOLOGY WHAT OCCURRED FROM THE 505 NORTH HOWARD AND 5112
09:08:01AM ALBANY SITE FROM '21 TO NOW.
09:08:04AM WE HAVE THE TIMELINE.
09:08:05AM I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU -- I LISTENED TO THE DISCUSSION
09:08:08AM THAT OCCURRED AS YOU MADE THE MOTION AND I HEARD WHILE YOU
09:08:12AM WONDERED MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS WERE INVOLVED IN THIS AND IN
09:08:15AM ADDITION TO THE TIMELINE.
09:08:16AM SO I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY
09:08:18AM EXPLAIN THE NEED FOR THE PARTNERSHIP AND THE ROLE EACH ONE
09:08:23AM PLAYS, PARTICULARLY MY DEPARTMENT, LOGISTICS AND ASSET
09:08:27AM MANAGEMENT IS COMPRISED OF TWO DIVISIONS.
09:08:30AM ONE IS FLEET MAINTENANCE, FOR THE ACQUISITION, MAINTENANCE,
09:08:34AM DISREPAIR AND MAINTENANCE OF ALL CITY VEHICLES INCLUDING
09:08:37AM POLICE AND FIRE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SPECIALIZED UNITS FOR
09:08:40AM FIRE.
09:08:40AM THEY PURCHASE THEIR OWN LADDER TRUCKS, AMBULANCES, ETC., BUT
09:08:44AM WE WORK ON THEM ALL.
09:08:45AM ON THE FACILITIES SIDE OF THE HOUSE, WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR
09:08:48AM ENSURING ALL CITY EMPLOYEES, AGAIN, INCLUDING POLICE AND
09:08:51AM FIRE, HAVE SAFE, EFFICIENT, COMFORTABLE WORKING ENVIRONMENTS
09:08:57AM AND IN THE FIRE STATION'S CASE, WHERE THEY LIVE.
09:09:00AM SO FOR US, FACILITIES.
09:09:05AM "FACILITATE" BY DEFINITION MEANS TO HELP FORWARD, AN ACCESS
09:09:10AM OR A PROCESS.
09:09:11AM SO IN THIS, WE WERE PARTNERS WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IN
09:09:14AM THIS CASE, THEY WERE OUR CUSTOMERS.
09:09:17AM AND SUBSEQUENTLY WITH THE CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION DEPARTMENT
09:09:20AM MAKING SURE THAT WE USE THE RIGHT CONTRACTS, USE THE RIGHT
09:09:24AM MECHANISM TO HOUSE OUR POLICE UNITS AND THOSE BUSINESS UNITS
09:09:28AM BEST.
09:09:28AM AS WE BEGAN THE JOURNEY -- AND I WILL PUT ON THE ELMO --
09:09:33AM FORGIVE ME, MY FIRST TIME USING THE ELMO AND I AM HOPING IT
09:09:39AM ALL COMES CLEARLY.
09:09:41AM WE -- IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT WE PARTNER
09:09:44AM WITH CITY COUNCIL -- OH, THANK YOU.
09:09:47AM THANK YOU, CHIEF.
09:09:48AM PERFECT.
09:09:54AM SO IN THE SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY, IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE
09:09:59AM COLLABORATE AND COMMUNICATE WITH COUNCIL AND WITH THE PUBLIC
09:10:04AM ON OUR PROJECTS.
09:10:05AM WE BEGAN IN JOURNEY AS CHIEF BERCAW MENTIONED IN MAY WHEN WE
09:10:10AM KNEW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS BEING DISPLACED FROM THEIR
09:10:12AM 34th STREET SITE, WHICH WAS AN IMPOUND LOT, BUT I ALSO WOULD
09:10:17AM LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU, WITH THOSE VEHICLES ALSO COME
09:10:20AM EVIDENCE.
09:10:20AM SO THEY WERE SAVING AND STORING EVIDENCE THERE.
09:10:22AM IN GOOD PRACTICE, DUE DILIGENCE, WE VISITED THE CITY OF ST.
09:10:29AM PETE, ALSO IN MAY OF 2021 TO SEE WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
09:10:33AM THEY HAD RECENTLY BUILT A NEW STATION AND WE WERE LOOKING
09:10:36AM FOR BEST PRACTICES.
09:10:37AM WE SAW THEY COLLOCATED.
09:10:40AM THEY ACTUALLY CONTRACTED OUT THE TOWING AND THE STORING OF
09:10:46AM THE VEHICLES, BUT THEY COLLOCATE ALL THE EVIDENCE AND
09:10:50AM FORENSICS IN ONE SPACE.
09:10:51AM THEY HAD MODERNIZED EQUIPMENT ON STORING THAT EVIDENCE.
09:10:55AM EASY ACCESSIBILITY AND PROTECTING THE INTEGRITY OF THAT
09:11:00AM EVIDENCE.
09:11:00AM SO WE CAME TO COUNCIL AND WE SAID THE REAL ESTATE HAS
09:11:04AM IDENTIFIED SPACE ON HOWARD AVENUE THAT WE THINK WILL WORK
09:11:08AM FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT'S NEEDS.
09:11:11AM WE CAME TO YOU ON MAY 20 OF '21, ASKING YOUR PERMISSION AND
09:11:17AM ALSO SHARING YOU WITH OUR INTENT TO USE THIS SITE FOR THE
09:11:21AM POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FOR THOSE BUSINESS UNIT SPACES.
09:11:25AM IN FACT, THE MEMO THAT WAS UPLOADED INTO SIRE SAID IN ORDER
09:11:29AM TO RELOCATE THE POLICE IMPOUND LOT AND OTHER POLICE
09:11:34AM FACILITIES.
09:11:34AM THANKFULLY, YOU UNANIMOUSLY VOTED TO ALLOW US TO MOVE FORWARD
09:11:38AM AND TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY
09:11:41AM AT THE TIME.
09:11:41AM WE ALSO KNEW THAT THE PROPERTY NEEDED TO BE REZONED.
09:11:45AM IT WAS ZONE ZONED RS-50 AND NEEDED TO BE COMMERCIAL
09:11:51AM INTENSIVE TO ALLOW FOR THE INTENDED USE.
09:11:53AM AT THE TIME, I MET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION
09:11:56AM PRESIDENT, WALDSWOOD CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
09:12:00AM TINA WHO WAS PRESIDENT AT THE TIME.
09:12:03AM I WALKED THE SITE WITH HER.
09:12:05AM SHARED OUR INTENT HOW WE ARE LOOKING TO LOCATE THERE.
09:12:08AM THEY WERE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
09:12:10AM IN FACT, CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO WAS CHAIRMAN AT THE TIME AND
09:12:13AM THEY SENT A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT, AND I CAME
09:12:17AM BEFORE COUNCIL DECEMBER 9, 2021.
09:12:20AM THE FIRST READING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY.
09:12:23AM AND I ALSO REFERENCED THE LETTER OF SUPPORT THAT WAS SENT BY
09:12:26AM THE WELLS WOOD CIVIC ASSOCIATION AND I ALSO SHARED THE
09:12:31AM INTENT OF THE SITE.
09:12:32AM ON JANUARY -- I MEAN ON JANUARY 13, 2022, WE HAD THE SECOND
09:12:37AM READING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY AND THANKFULLY IT WAS, AGAIN,
09:12:41AM UNANIMOUSLY VOTED UPON.
09:12:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST A MOMENT.
09:12:45AM WHAT IS ON THE OVERHEAD.
09:12:46AM CAN WE HAVE IT PUT ON OUR SCREENS HERE INSTEAD OF THE
09:12:49AM OPERATING BUDGET WORKSHOP?
09:12:51AM THERE WE GO.
09:12:52AM PERFECT.
09:12:52AM YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
09:12:55AM >>ADRIANA COLINA: OH, NO, YOU ARE FINE.
09:12:57AM I WANT TO SHARE YOU WITH ALTHOUGH IT IS NOT PART OF
09:13:01AM COUNCIL'S VOTE, BUT I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO
09:13:04AM APPRECIATE THE JOURNEY WE HAVE TAKEN.
09:13:05AM WHEN WE BEGAN THE JOURNEY, BRIAN DUGAN WAS POLICE CHIEF.
09:13:10AM IN SEPTEMBER OF '21, OF COURSE, HE RETIRED.
09:13:13AM AND REUBEN DELGADO TOOK OVER AS INTERIM CHIEF.
09:13:18AM AND MANY LEADERS ALWAYS COME WITH GOOD IDEAS AND NEW VISION,
09:13:22AM AND HE CAME WITH THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE SAW AT THE ST.
09:13:25AM PETE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
09:13:26AM AND HE SAID, IT JUST MAKES GOOD SENSE FOR US TO REALLY HAVE
09:13:30AM ALL OF THIS TOGETHER AT ONE SITE.
09:13:33AM FORENSICS EVIDENCE, THEY ALL WORK TOGETHER AND BEST PRACTICE
09:13:37AM TO HAVE THEM TOGETHER.
09:13:39AM SO WE WORK CLOSELY WITH OUR STAKEHOLDERS.
09:13:43AM AND IN -- PICKING BACK UP ON THE TIMELINE.
09:13:51AM ON DECEMBER 7 -- NO, YOU GOT THE LETTER FROM MISS HURLIS.
09:13:59AM DECEMBER 23, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, CONTRACT ADMIN AND
09:14:05AM LOGISTICS AND ASSET MANAGEMENT FACILITIES COMPILED THE RFQ
09:14:09AM DESIGN CRITERIA PACKAGE WE INTENDED TO SUBMIT FOR
09:14:13AM ADVERTISING.
09:14:13AM AND SO THAT WAS WHERE WE PUT IN ALL THESE BEST PRACTICES AND
09:14:22AM IDEAS WHAT WE WANTED FOR THIS NEW SITE.
09:14:25AM JANUARY 26 OF 2022.
09:14:27AM RUTH CATE, WHO WAS ACTUALLY THE CAPTAIN AT THE TIME AT THE
09:14:31AM POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS ASSIGNED TO THE PROJECT.
09:14:33AM ON JANUARY 28 OF 2022, THE CITY OF TAMPA CLOSED ON THE
09:14:41AM PURCHASE ON THE PROPERTY FRANK AGLIANO FROM GATOR, INC. TO
09:14:46AM $2.6 MILLION.
09:14:48AM I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY OF THE TIME PERIOD WE WERE
09:14:50AM IN.
09:14:50AM IT WAS 2021 AND 2022.
09:14:54AM JUST GETTING OUT OF THE PANDEMIC AND UNBEKNOWNST TO US ABOUT
09:14:58AM TO FACE SUPPLY CHAIN NIGHTMARES, A HUGE RISE IN CONSTRUCTION
09:15:03AM COSTS AND INFLATION.
09:15:04AM IN FACT, NEW CONSTRUCTION IN FLORIDA WAS UP 40% WHILE
09:15:08AM NATIONWIDE IT WAS ONLY 13%.
09:15:10AM AND THE CITY OF TAMPA WAS NOT EXEMPT FROM THOSE RISES AND
09:15:14AM THOSE INCREASES.
09:15:15AM COULD, CONTINUING ON THE TIMELINE, ON OCTOBER 20 OF 2022,
09:15:23AM THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE
09:15:27AM DESIGN-BUILD CONTRACT THAT WE HAD HE SELECTED AND THE RFQ
09:15:34AM WAS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET GIVEN TO COUNCIL FOR $2.8 MILLION
09:15:38AM FOR THE DESIGN-BUILD CONTRACT AT THE TIME.
09:15:40AM AND INCLUDED IN THAT PACKET, LIKE I SAID, WAS THE RFQ.
09:15:44AM AND IN THERE, IN SECTION 2.02, IT SAYS "THE BUDGET TO
09:15:48AM EXECUTE AND COMPLETE THE APPROVED FUTURE PROGRAM SHALL BE
09:15:52AM DETERMINED AS PART OF THE DESIGN AND PRECONSTRUCTION
09:15:56AM EFFORTS."
09:15:57AM AGAIN, WE WERE IN THE BEGINNING OF OUR JOURNEY.
09:15:59AM AND SO AT THAT POINT, THE RFQ WAS ISSUED BY THE CAD
09:16:04AM DEPARTMENT, AND I WOULD LIKE TO TURN OVER TO KEEP US ALONG
09:16:08AM THAT JOURNEY THE DIRECTOR OF CAD, MR. RICHARD MUTTERBACK.
09:16:15AM >>RICHARD MUTTERBACK: THANK YOU, ADRI.
09:16:19AM GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:16:20AM I WILL BACK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT.
09:16:22AM AS A DRI STATED -- AND JUST AS A BRIEF INTRO, I AM GOING TO
09:16:30AM TRY TO SIMPLIFY A LOT OF DETAILS AND INFORMATION.
09:16:32AM A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THERE IS A LOT THAT GOES INTO THESE
09:16:36AM PROJECTS THROUGH DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION AND THE REALITY.
09:16:38AM SO I TRIED TO -- WE WILL TRY TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE --
09:16:42AM SOME OF THE POINTS THAT WE ARE ALL AWARE BUT JUST AS THE
09:16:47AM PUBLIC HAS A REFRESHER FOR US AND THE PUBLIC.
09:16:49AM SO FEBRUARY 9, AS SHE STATED, THE RFQ WAS ADVERTISED STATE
09:16:56AM CURRENT FUNDING OF $5.3 MILLION WITH ADDITIONAL PROGRAMMING,
09:16:59AM PLANNING AND ESTIMATING OF COST FOR POSSIBLE FUTURE RFQ.
09:17:03AM PART OF THAT DESIGN CRITERIA PACKAGE, I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT
09:17:08AM SOME OF THE -- SOME OF THE SCOPE FROM OUT OF THAT, PAGE 2 OF
09:17:12AM 12 OF THAT DESIGN CRITERIA PACKAGES REFERENCES FUTURE
09:17:16AM PROGRAMMING.
09:17:17AM AND I AM JUST GOING TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.
09:17:21AM SO THE INITIAL PROGRAM WAS ON THAT SECOND PARAGRAPH THERE,
09:17:25AM REMODELING MUCH THE EXISTING SINGLE-STORY 38,000-SQUARE-FOOT
09:17:31AM WAREHOUSE TO RELOCATE THE ENTIRE TPD FORENSICS UNIT FROM
09:17:39AM 34th STREET.
09:17:39AM AS PART OF THIS CRITERIA PACKAGE, WE IDENTIFIED A FUTURE
09:17:42AM PROGRAM THAT COULD INCLUDE REMODELING OF ADDITIONAL TO
09:17:46AM REINTEGRATE THE REMAINDER OF TPD EVIDENCE AND FORENSIC UNIT
09:17:51AM CURRENTLY LOCATED AT THE DOWNTOWN HEADQUARTERS.
09:17:54AM THAT WAS THE DIRECTION THAT THE FIRMS WERE GIVEN THERE.
09:17:59AM ON PAGE 6 YES, PAGE 6 OF 12.
09:18:11AM SECTION 2.2.
09:18:13AM BUDGET $5.3 MILLION AND BUDGET OF THE APPROVED PROGRAM
09:18:20AM DETERMINED AS PART OF THE PREDESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION EFFORTS
09:18:23AM TO BECOME A SUBSEQUENT AND SEPARATE REQUEST FOR RFQ.
09:18:27AM AND THEN AS MENTIONED, GO TO THE TO OCTOBER
09:18:32AM AND THAT INITIAL AGREEMENT WAS -- WAS BROUGHT BEFORE COUNCIL
09:18:40AM AND PASSED 7-0.
09:18:42AM SO JAY COCALAKIS, SORRY, BEGAN THEIR JOURNEY OF THE DESIGN.
09:18:51AM IN JUNE OF 2023, PROGRAMMING, PROGRAM DESIGN AND COST
09:19:01AM ESTIMATION COMPLETED AND SENT TO THE CITY FOR REVIEW.
09:19:04AM AND THAT'S WHEN DISCUSSIONS BEGAN WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENTS,
09:19:07AM OUR CUSTOMERS, TPD, LAM AND THE FIRM.
09:19:12AM PAUSE THIS IS WHEN WE FIRST SAW THE ACTUAL NUMBERS OF WHAT
09:19:15AM THE ENTIRE THING WILL BE, JUNE OF 2023.
09:19:18AM CONCURRENTLY, WHILE WE WERE HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS AND
09:19:23AM REVIEWING IT, I JUST CAME ON WITH THE CITY JUNE OF THAT
09:19:26AM YEAR, AND BETWEEN MYSELF AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND
09:19:30AM BRAD BAIRD AND MY TEAM, WE WERE WORKING ON THIS EXECUTIVE
09:19:35AM ORDER 2023-7, AND WE LATER PRESENT IT TO THE PUBLIC AND TO
09:19:40AM COUNCIL ONCE WE HAD THAT ADOPTED AND SPECIFICALLY TO -- TO
09:19:44AM COMBAT THINGS THAT WE HAVE SEEN OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS WITH
09:19:47AM RISING COST AND THIS KIND OF THING WITH SOME OF THESE
09:19:50AM PROJECTS.
09:19:50AM SO ON NOVEMBER 28 OF 2023, THAT EXECUTIVE ORDER WITH THE
09:19:55AM ADMINISTRATIVE HOURS WAS EXECUTED.
09:19:57AM BASED ON PROGRAMMING, CONCEPT DESIGN AND COST ESTIMATE, THIS
09:20:02AM PROJECT WOULD INVOKE A CARDINAL CHANGE WHICH -- SHOW YOU
09:20:07AM THERE.
09:20:08AM UNDER SECTION 5.2, WHERE IF THE COST OF A PROJECT TO
09:20:13AM INCREASE BY MORE THAN TWICE THE BUDGETED AMOUNT OR
09:20:16AM ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE ADVERTISED.
09:20:17AM NOW I WANT TO SHOW -- REMIND THE PUBLIC THIS CARDINAL
09:20:23AM CHANGE.
09:20:23AM UNDER SECTION 5.0.
09:20:25AM WE SAID THAT IF A NEW CC&A SELECTION AND PROCESS CONSISTENT
09:20:31AM WITH STATE LAW WOULD OCCUR CASHED MALL IN MATERIAL CHANGES
09:20:34AM TO THE SCOPE OF A PROJECT AFTER ISSUANCE OF THAT DESIGN
09:20:37AM CRITERIA PACKAGE.
09:20:39AM AND THIS PARTICULAR -- AND 5.2, YOU KNOW, IF IT INCREASES
09:20:43AM MORE THAN TWICE.
09:20:43AM SO CONTINUING OUR DISCUSSION WITH STAFF AND THE DEPARTMENTS
09:20:53AM AND THE ADMINISTRATION, WE -- WE CAME TO THE CONCLUSION IN
09:20:58AM JANUARY OF THIS YEAR THAT WE WOULD -- WE WOULD TAKE THIS
09:21:03AM PROJECT FROM A DESIGN-BUILD PROJECT TO A DESIGN BID BUILD SO
09:21:08AM WE WOULD BE FOLLOWING THESE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES
09:21:10AM OUTLINED IN THAT ORDER.
09:21:11AM AND THERE WAS A LOT OF THOUGHT THAT WENT INTO THIS, BECAUSE
09:21:15AM THIS PROJECT WAS ALREADY -- A LOT OF MONEY SPENT ON THE
09:21:18AM DESIGN.
09:21:18AM AND WESTERN BETWEEN 60 AND 90% COMPLETE WITH THOSE DESIGNS.
09:21:23AM THE THOUGHT TO GO FROM DESIGN-BUILD TO DESIGN BID BUILD
09:21:28AM WOULD PRESERVE ALL THAT WORK THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN PUT IN
09:21:31AM AND WE WOULDN'T BE STARTING OVER FROM SCRATCH.
09:21:33AM AND LATER -- SO FROM JANUARY WHEN WE CAME UP WITH THAT
09:21:40AM DECISION THROUGH ABOUT APRIL, WE WERE HAVING A LOT OF
09:21:43AM DISCUSSIONS WITH THE FIRM.
09:21:45AM BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE FIRM, YOU KNOW TAKING A CHANGE IN
09:21:51AM PROJECT DELIVERY AND AMENDING THEIR CONTRACT FROM THE ENTIRE
09:21:54AM DESIGN-BUILD TO NOW ONLY THE DESIGN TO BE AMENDED TO BE
09:22:03AM AMENDED TO MAKE BIDDABLE DOCUMENTS.
09:22:08AM A LOT OF DISCUSSION BETWEEN US AND THE FIRM.
09:22:13AM ONCE WE GOT THAT ALL CLEARED OUT, WE HAD INDIVIDUAL BRIEFS
09:22:19AM WITH ALL THE COUNCILMEMBERS AND ABOUT READY TO GIVE OUR
09:22:22AM GRADE A PRESENTATION WHICH THIS WILL BE A PART OF.
09:22:26AM AND THIS WILL BE COMING TO YOU SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE NEXT
09:22:28AM FEW MONTHS INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THE CIP BUDGET
09:22:33AM REVIEW, AMENDMENT COMING BEFORE YOU THIS THURSDAY.
09:22:36AM AND EVENTUALLY A NEW CONTRACT WITH A BUILDER WHO IS AWARDED
09:22:42AM -- WHO WILL BE AWARDED THAT NEW CONTRACT.
09:22:44AM AND LIKE I SAID, THURSDAY, WE WILL BE BRINGING AN AMENDMENT
09:22:47AM FOR -- FOR THE FIRM COCALAKIS FROM A DESIGN-BUILD PROJECT,
09:22:53AM TAKE THOSE DESIGN PLANS AND MAKE THEM BIDDABLE DOCUMENTS.
09:22:57AM A LOT OF WORK THAT GOES INTO THAT BECAUSE NOW THEY ARE NOT
09:23:00AM THE BUILDER AND THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE EVERY SPEC AND DETAIL
09:23:04AM ARE IN THERE.
09:23:05AM THEY HAVE TO CLEAN THAT DOCUMENT UP BECAUSE GOING OUT TO THE
09:23:07AM PUBLIC AND THESE ARE SECURED FACILITIES AND CERTAIN THINGS
09:23:10AM THAT NEED TO BE DONE TO PREPARE THE DOCUMENTS IN THAT REGARD
09:23:13AM AS WELL.
09:23:13AM AND NOW I WILL LET DEPUTY CHIEF CATE SPEAK ON BEHALF OF TPD.
09:23:21AM THANK YOU.
09:23:22AM >> THANK YOU.
09:23:24AM GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:23:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING.
09:23:27AM >>CHIEF CATE: JUST A FEW FINAL THOUGHTS.
09:23:30AM SO WE -- AS CHIEF BERCAW STATED, WE ARE A PREMIERE LAW
09:23:36AM ENFORCEMENT AGENCY AND WE ARE A PROFESSIONAL AGENCY, AND WE
09:23:39AM ARE CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH THE ACCREDITATION PROCESS.
09:23:42AM THERE ARE 14 STANDARDS OR ARTICLES THAT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS
09:23:46AM FORENSICS AND EVIDENCE.
09:23:47AM EACH STANDARD HAS ANSWER AS FIVE TO 25 ARTICLES THAT WE MUST
09:23:53AM BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH.
09:23:54AM THEY ARE ANYTHING FROM HOW EVIDENCE IS COLLECTED, PROCESSED,
09:23:59AM STORED, AND THAT HAS EVOLVED OVER THE YEARS.
09:24:03AM AND THE PERFECT EXAMPLE THAT I CAN GIVE YOU IS DNA.
09:24:07AM SO WE TALKED ABOUT -- I WANT TO PUT ON THE ELMO THE -- THE
09:24:13AM PACKAGING -- I WANT TO PUT THAT.
09:24:18AM ARCH AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE HAVE AND WHAT ORLANDO HAS.
09:24:22AM DNA IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE.
09:24:25AM TECHNOLOGY THAT IS NOW AVAILABLE SIMPLY DID NOT EXIST WHEN I
09:24:29AM FIRST JOINED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
09:24:31AM WE NOW SEND OUT EVIDENCE TO BE TESTED THAT WE HAVE COLLECTED
09:24:36AM YEARS AGO.
09:24:36AM BUT THIS EVIDENCE HAS TO BE STORED CORRECTLY.
09:24:41AM IT NEEDS TO BE TEMPERATURE-CONTROLLED, HUMIDITY-CONTROLLED,
09:24:46AM TO MAKE SURE THAT THE VIABILITY IS STILL THERE WHEN IT IS
09:24:49AM TIME TO BE USED IN COURT.
09:24:53AM LIKE CHIEF BERCAW SAID, OUR CITY IS GROWING.
09:24:57AM EVEN WITH THE BEST CRIME PREVENTION MEASURES THAT WE HAVE,
09:25:00AM THERE IS STILL GOING TO BE SOME CRIME.
09:25:02AM WE OWE IT TO THE VICTIMS TO HAVE CLOSURE FOR THEM AND TO
09:25:05AM PROSECUTE THESE CASES CORRECTLY.
09:25:07AM AND PREVENT DANGEROUS OFFENDERS FROM FURTHER COMMITTING MORE
09:25:13AM CRIMES.
09:25:13AM WE TALKED ABOUT THE EVIDENCE STORAGE AND WHAT IT CURRENTLY
09:25:17AM LOOKS LIKE.
09:25:19AM EVEN WITH -- EVEN WITH STORING THE EVIDENCE, WE -- THE BEST
09:25:26AM PRACTICES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, WE STORE IT BY SIZE.
09:25:30AM WE CAN DO BETTER.
09:25:31AM WE CAN STORE IT NOW AND CATEGORIZE IT WHERE THE NARCOTICS --
09:25:37AM WITH THE NARCOTIC -- JUST WITH THE DRUGS.
09:25:40AM WHERE HOMICIDE EVIDENCE IS JUST WITH HOMICIDE.
09:25:43AM AND SEX CRIMES ARE JUST WITH SEX CRIMES.
09:25:46AM THAT IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO.
09:25:47AM OFFICERS COME INTO OUR FACILITIES.
09:25:50AM THEY HAVE TO TEST THEIR NARCOTICS.
09:25:53AM THEY HAVE TO WEIGH THEM SEPARATELY.
09:25:55AM THEY HAVE TO SEPARATE A SMALL AMOUNT TO GO TO THE LAB TO BE
09:25:58AM TESTED AND PUT LARGER AMOUNTS TOGETHER TO BE STORED.
09:26:01AM WE DON'T WANT TO CO-MINGLE EVIDENCE WITH OTHER EVIDENCE.
09:26:05AM AT THE OLD HOWARD AVENUE -- AT THE OLD 34th STREET LOT, WE
09:26:12AM ALSO TALKED ABOUT HOW WE IMPOUNDED CAR THERE IS.
09:26:14AM BUT WE ALSO PROCESSED EVIDENCE THERE.
09:26:17AM WE HAVE BAYS WHERE THE CARS WERE PROCESSED FOR HOMICIDES.
09:26:21AM THEN NOT AIR-CONDITIONED.
09:26:23AM NOW THE HOWARD AVENUE FACILITY, THEY WILL BE
09:26:26AM AIR-CONDITIONED.
09:26:27AM THIS IS BETTER WORK CONDITIONS FOR OUR EMPLOYEES AND THE
09:26:30AM OVERALL COLLECTION PROCESS AND CASES.
09:26:32AM STARTING MAY OF THIS YEAR, I BEGAN TO MEET WITH
09:26:37AM COUNCILMEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY AND RICHARD MUDDERBACK ALSO
09:26:40AM JOINED ME AND EXPLAINED THE NEED.
09:26:43AM THIS IS NOT A WANT.
09:26:44AM THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DESPERATELY NEED.
09:26:47AM ON JUNE 27, I PRESENTED TO COUNCIL DURING OUR GRADE 8
09:26:52AM PRESENTATION THAT THE COST WOULD PROBABLY BE $40 MILLION FOR
09:26:55AM THIS FACILITY.
09:26:56AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I THINK YOU UNDERSTOOD THIS IS ONE OF
09:27:00AM THOSE NECESSITIES THAT WAS NOT A WANT.
09:27:02AM I REMEMBER HIM SAYING THAT SPECIFICALLY TO ME.
09:27:04AM ON AUGUST 5, CHIEF BERCAW AND I CAME BACK AND PRESENTED THE
09:27:10AM PROJECT AGAIN.
09:27:11AM COUNCIL AGREED THIS IS A PRIORITY FOR TPD.
09:27:14AM IN CLOSING, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT OUR PLANS ARE
09:27:18AM ALMOST 100% COMPLETE.
09:27:20AM AND WE CAN PUT THIS OUT TO BID AND START BUILDING RIGHT
09:27:23AM AWAY.
09:27:23AM THIS IS ALSO THE BEST OUTCOME FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WE
09:27:28AM CURRENTLY STORE EVIDENCE IN MULTIPLE LOCATIONS AND WE
09:27:31AM PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED THAT.
09:27:32AM NOW COMMUNITY MEMBERS WILL ONLY HAVE TO GO TO ONE LOCATION
09:27:36AM TO CLAIM THEIR PROPERTY OR PICK UP EVIDENCE, THUS SAVING
09:27:39AM TIME AND MANPOWER AND EXPENSES FOR EVERYONE.
09:27:43AM THIS SAME GOES FOR OUR OFFICER IF THEY HAVE A SUBPOENA FOR
09:27:47AM COURT, THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT WHERE THE EVIDENCE IS LOCATED
09:27:50AM AND GO TO MULTIPLE EVIDENCE TO RETRIEVE IT BEFORE GOING TO
09:27:52AM COURT.
09:27:53AM I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
09:27:54AM I KNOW THAT YOU UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS TO THE
09:27:57AM POLICE DEPARTMENT.
09:27:58AM AND THAT'S IT.
09:28:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:28:05AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:28:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
09:28:07AM THIS WAS MY MOTION.
09:28:09AM AND I APPRECIATE THE DETAILED REPORT.
09:28:13AM AND I JUST WANTED TO GIVE MY SYMPATHIES TO THE ENTIRE POLICE
09:28:18AM DEPARTMENT OVER THE LOSS OF THE OFFICER.
09:28:19AM SO I UNDERSTAND WHY WE ALL NEED TO GO -- WHY YOU ALL NEEDED
09:28:25AM TO TAKE CARE OF THIS.
09:28:27AM THE ISSUE TO ME WAS NOT AT ALL WHAT THIS IS.
09:28:29AM IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FACT OF -- LIKE WHAT
09:28:33AM DEPARTMENT IT IS.
09:28:33AM THE ISSUE WAS -- AND IT WAS CLEARLY SHOWN IN YOUR TIMELINE,
09:28:38AM OTHER POLICE FACILITIES.
09:28:40AM YOU DO PROGRAMMING.
09:28:42AM NEVER DOES IT SAY "FORENSICS BUILDING."
09:28:46AM NEVER IN THE DESCRIPTION OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT
09:28:50AM DOES IT SAY "FORENSICS" UNTIL 2025.
09:28:54AM SO -- I AM JUST MAKING SOME COMMENTS HERE.
09:28:58AM IT SAYS -- THE FIRST YEAR WAS PURPOSE OF RELOCATING THE TPD
09:29:06AM IMPOUND LOT.
09:29:07AM THE SECOND WAS RELOCATING VARIOUS TPD OFFICES.
09:29:11AM NEXT WAS RELOCATING VARIOUS TPD OFFICES.
09:29:15AM ALL FROM THE CIP.
09:29:16AM I UNDERSTAND THAT FURTHER IN DOCUMENTS YOU MAY HAVE SAID,
09:29:20AM THIS IS FOR A FORENSICS BUILDING BUT THE PUBLIC LOOKING
09:29:26AM AT CIP DOCUMENTS WOULD HAVE NO IDEA THIS WAS A FORENSICS
09:29:31AM BUILDING.
09:29:31AM BECAUSE OF WHAT WE HAVE APPROVED IN THE PAST WHERE WE END UP
09:29:35AM SPENDING A TON MORE MONEY ON SOMETHING WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT,
09:29:38AM THIS FALLS IN THAT CATEGORY.
09:29:41AM THIS IS SIMPLY THE LAST -- THIS YEAR ALONE RELOCATING
09:29:46AM THE TPD IMPOUND LOT AND SEVERAL TPD UNITS.
09:29:52AM THE NEVER SAYS WHAT THE ACTUAL UNITS ARE.
09:29:55AM AND THAT IS WHAT, I BELIEVE, COUNCIL HAS AN ISSUE WITH.
09:29:58AM WHY -- YOU CLEARLY SHOWED IT IN YOUR TIME LINE.
09:30:02AM YOU NOT ONCE MENTIONED FORENSICS.
09:30:05AM I WOULD HAVE HAD TO -- OR EACH ONE OF US WOULD HAVE TO READ
09:30:09AM INTO EACH RFQ TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
09:30:12AM I THINK WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT TODAY IS NOT THIS PARTICULAR
09:30:14AM PROJECT, BUT OVERALL, HOW DO WE MAKE THIS CLEARER FOR BOTH
09:30:18AM THE PUBLIC AND COUNCIL SO THAT BY THE TIME -- I MEAN, YOU
09:30:22AM SAID VERY CLEARLY IN YOUR -- IN YOUR TIMELINE AND WHAT YOU
09:30:27AM SHOWED TODAY THAT MAY 2024 WAS THE FIRST TIME IT WAS
09:30:30AM PUBLICLY CALLED "FORENSICS."
09:30:33AM WHEN YOU CAME TO US.
09:30:33AM I THINK ALL OF US HEARD IT, AND WE SEE THE NEED 100%.
09:30:38AM I MEAN, I SAID THE SAME THING TO YOU.
09:30:41AM THIS IS NOT A WANT.
09:30:42AM THIS IS A NEED.
09:30:43AM BUT THE FACT THAT MAY 2024 WAS THE FIRST TIME IT WAS CALLED
09:30:46AM A "FORENSICS" IS THE ISSUE FOR ME AT LEAST.
09:30:51AM AND, AGAIN, FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WHAT WE ARE SPENDING
09:30:54AM MONEY ON.
09:30:56AM FUTURE PROGRAMMING IS NOT DESCRIPTIVE ENOUGH FOR THE PUBLIC
09:31:02AM TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS COMING, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IS
09:31:04AM SOMETHING LIKE TPD.
09:31:06AM I DON'T KNOW ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD HAVE A
09:31:10AM PROBLEM WITH A NEW FORENSICS BUILDING.
09:31:11AM IT IS VERY IMPORTANT.
09:31:12AM WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PROSECUTE PEOPLE WHO COMMIT CRIMES.
09:31:16AM BUT THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE, ISSUE IS FUTURE PROGRAMMING.
09:31:21AM HOW MANY OF THE OTHER 150 CIP PROJECTS HAVE FUTURE
09:31:25AM PROGRAMMING IN THEM.
09:31:26AM OR, YOU KNOW, RELOCATING OFFICES.
09:31:30AM AND THAT IS THE ISSUE.
09:31:32AM IT IS TOO VAGUE.
09:31:33AM AND WE NEED TO FIND A WAY AS COUNCIL AND ADMINISTRATION TO
09:31:36AM MAKE THIS MORE SPECIFIC.
09:31:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
09:31:41AM >>BILL CARLSON: I -- I MODIFIED COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S MOTION
09:31:49AM A WEEK OR TWO AGO TO ASK SPECIFICALLY THAT IT BE FACILITIES
09:31:55AM AND BUDGET STAFF RATHER THAN TPD SO IT WOULDN'T POLITICIZE
09:32:06AM IT.
09:32:06AM THIS IS REALLY AN ISSUE ABOUT -- NOT AS CHIEF CATE SAID, NOT
09:32:11AM ABOUT WHETHER WE NEED THIS OR NOT.
09:32:13AM IT IS THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT OF IT.
09:32:16AM MR. MUDDERBACK CAME IN PARTWAY THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND I
09:32:20AM KNOW HE WORKED HARD TO CLEAN UP THAT DEPARTMENT.
09:32:22AM MY PROBLEM WITH THE CITY IS THE CITY SEEMS TO BE TERRIBLE AT
09:32:25AM PROJECT MANAGEMENT.
09:32:27AM AND I DON'T KNOW WHY WE KEEP HAVING THESE PROJECTS THAT GO
09:32:31AM OVER BUDGET, BUT WE HAVE HANNA AVENUE THAT WENT GROSSLY OVER
09:32:37AM BUDGET.
09:32:37AM WHEN YOU ADD EVERYTHING TOGETHER, $220 MILLION AT THE VERY
09:32:40AM LEAST, $11 MILLION UP TO OVER 220 MILLION.
09:32:50AM FAIR OAKS THAT WENT FROM $5 MILLION.
09:32:51AM THE MAYOR ORIGINALLY PROPOSED $375,000 WENT TO $5 MILLION.
09:32:57AM OUR PROPOSAL WENT TO $40 MILLION, PLUS INTEREST IS $80
09:33:01AM MILLION.
09:33:01AM THEN WE HAVE THE RIVERWALK THAT HAS GONE DOUBLE, TRIPLE
09:33:05AM BUDGET.
09:33:05AM WE HAVE THE SAFEGUARD IN THAT WE PROPOSED AND THE MAYOR
09:33:08AM AGREED IN HER EXECUTIVE ORDER TO BREAK THE CC &A LOOPHOLE IN
09:33:16AM ANA AVENUE TO GO AROUND AND TRY TO GET ANOTHER BID.
09:33:19AM AND WE HAVE -- AT LEAST FOUR PROJECTS NOW THAT HAVE GONE WAY
09:33:24AM OVER BUDGET.
09:33:24AM WHEN I TALK TO OTHER GOVERNMENTS, THEY DON'T EXPERIENCE THE
09:33:29AM SAME KINDS OF OVERAGES THAT WE DO.
09:33:32AM WHAT -- I THINK WHAT WOULD BE A REASONABLE CONVERSATION TO
09:33:35AM FIGURE OUT WHAT CAN WE DO IN STAGES.
09:33:37AM SAME THING WITH FAIR OAKS.
09:33:39AM NOBODY IS AGAINST WHAT IS GOING IN FAIR OAKS, BUT IF YOU
09:33:42AM DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, YOU DO IT IN STAGES.
09:33:44AM WITH THE CRA WHICH WE CONTROL, AS A CRA BOARD, WE DECIDED
09:33:51AM INSTEAD OF -- INSTEAD OF TRYING TO BORROW MONEY OR USE SOME
09:33:54AM EXPENSIVE MECHANISM, WE ARE REBRICKING YBOR BLOCK BY BLOCK.
09:33:58AM WHEN THE MONEY COMES IN, WE PAY-GO AND CONTINUE WITH THE
09:34:02AM BLOCKS.
09:34:02AM SEEMS LIKE THERE IS A PROCESS YOU WOULD GO THROUGH TO PLAN
09:34:06AM THIS THAT DOESN'T COST SO MUCH.
09:34:08AM AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY PRESENTATION THAT SHOWS THAT ALL OF
09:34:11AM THE $40 MILLION OR WHATEVER IS JUSTIFIED, OR THAT WE NEED IT
09:34:15AM ALL RIGHT NOW.
09:34:15AM I 100% SUPPORT THE POLICE.
09:34:19AM I DON'T SUPPORT THE OVERAGE THAT THE PROJECT MANAGERS INSIDE
09:34:23AM THE CITY KEEP COMING BACK WITH.
09:34:25AM I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY SEEM TO BE DISCIPLINED BY MONEY.
09:34:29AM IF THIS WAS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR WOULDN'T GO TO THE CFO AND
09:34:33AM SAY WE NEED ANOTHER $1 MILLION OR $5 MILLION.
09:34:35AM IF IT IS THE PRIVATE SECTOR, WE WILL SAY WE DON'T HAVE
09:34:39AM ANOTHER $5 MILLION.
09:34:40AM WE CAN'T SPEND THAT.
09:34:41AM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE $20 MILLION VERSION, THE $25 MILLION
09:34:48AM VERSION OR THE 40 MILLION VERSION.
09:34:50AM 40 MILLION VERSION IS FAIR OAKS OR RIVERWALK THAT WE WILL
09:34:57AM SEE ALL OVER AGAIN AND SPEND WHAT WE WANT TO SPEND.
09:34:59AM I HOPE THAT THE CITY FIX PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND BRING IN
09:35:02AM PEOPLE THAT KNOW HOW TO HANDLE BUDGETS LIKE THE PRIVATE
09:35:05AM SECTOR DOES.
09:35:06AM THANK YOU.
09:35:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:35:07AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I KNOW I MET WITH CHIEF CATE.
09:35:10AM AND IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECT, SHE WAS VERY EXPLICIT ON
09:35:15AM MAKING THE EXPLANATION ALL ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT SHE TALKED
09:35:18AM TODAY.
09:35:18AM I DON'T KNOW IF SHE DID WITH OTHERS, BUT WHEN I MET WITH
09:35:22AM HER, SHE EXPLAINED TO ME ABOUT THE PROBLEM THEY HAD IN
09:35:24AM FORENSICS.
09:35:25AM I THINK I ASKED HER -- I KNOW I WATCH "CSI" EVERY WEEKEND.
09:35:31AM JOKING AROUND I SAID THAT, OF COURSE.
09:35:33AM BUT WE CAN NOT BE A SECONDHAND DEPARTMENT UNLESS YOU HAVE A
09:35:41AM FIRST HAND GOING FORWARD.
09:35:42AM IN OTHER WORDS, IN THIS WORLD, COMPETITIVENESS, IN THIS
09:35:46AM WORLD WHERE GUNS ARE EVERYWHERE, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO
09:35:50AM HAVE A -- BREAK INTO A CAR THAT HAS ONE.
09:35:56AM THEY SHOULD GET AS MUCH PUNISHMENT AS THE ONE THAT STOLE THE
09:36:00AM GUN.
09:36:00AM ALONG WITH THE SAME THINGS, SHE WAS VERY EXPLICIT EXACTLY
09:36:03AM WHAT SHE TALKED ABOUT TODAY.
09:36:06AM SO AM I SURPRISED?
09:36:09AM LET ME TELL YOU ONE THING I HEARD TODAY.
09:36:12AM AGAIN WE GO INTO INTEREST.
09:36:13AM AND AGAIN I AM GOING TO ASK THE AUDIENCE, WHEN YOU BUY A CAR
09:36:17AM PAY $30,000 FOR A CAR OR $60,000 WITH INTEREST.
09:36:20AM WHEN BU I A HOUSE SAY I BOUGHT A HOUSE FOR $400,000.
09:36:25AM OR $750,000 WITH INTEREST.
09:36:27AM NO ONE DOES THAT.
09:36:28AM MAYBE WHAT WE SHOULD BE THE STANDARD AND SAY THIS IS THE
09:36:33AM TOTAL COST OF THE PROJECT.
09:36:35AM I AM FINE WITH THAT.
09:36:36AM MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE AN EYE AWAKENING FOR ALL OF US IN THE
09:36:42AM CITY.
09:36:42AM WE HAVE TAXES ON COMING UP THAT WILL BE VOTED ON.
09:36:45AM LET'S SEE HOW MANY OF US REALLY VOTE FOR THE PUBLIC AND HOW
09:36:50AM MANY VOTE FOR SPECIAL INTEREST.
09:36:51AM AND THAT THING TO START WITH THAT TAX.
09:36:54AM FIRST OF ALL, IN THE BEGINNING OF THAT TAX, WHAT WE ARE
09:36:57AM GETTING BACK WHAT WE ARE PUTTING IN IS A LOT OF MONEY.
09:37:00AM WE ARE GETTING A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF A POPULATION COMPARED
09:37:04AM TO OTHERS, THREE ENTITIES WITH US IS FOUR, AND WE ARE BEING
09:37:08AM SHORTCHANGED BECAUSE A POPULATION KNOWING HOW MUCH YOU
09:37:11AM CREATE OF THAT TAX.
09:37:12AM THAT IS NUMBER ONE.
09:37:14AM YOU HAVE TO VIGILANT WHAT IS GOING ON.
09:37:18AM YOU HAVE TO BE PREPARED AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IS COMING ON,
09:37:21AM AND WE MUST HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION -- COUNCIL IS RIGHT,
09:37:25AM ALL THE INFORMATION GOING ON.
09:37:26AM IF THAT WAS NOT CLEARLY EXPLAINED.
09:37:29AM I CALL MAYBE.
09:37:30AM I DON'T KNOW.
09:37:30AM BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS, WHEN YOU CAME TO MY OFFICE AND
09:37:33AM TALKED TO ME.
09:37:35AM YOU TOLD ME EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS.
09:37:38AM DO I HAVE ANY FIGURES?
09:37:39AM NO.
09:37:40AM IF YOU WERE BUILDING A SITE FOR $750 MILLION FOUR YEARS AGO
09:37:44AM AND TODAY $1.2 BILLION, THE SAME THING EVERYWHERE.
09:37:47AM I DO LIKE IT?
09:37:49AM NO.
09:37:49AM YOU BUY A GALLON OF MILK -- WHEN I WAS A KID IT WAS $.25,
09:37:54AM BUT WE HAD A LOT OF COWS THEN.
09:37:55AM POPULATION HAS TAKEN OVER AND RISING IN MILK.
09:37:59AM ALL THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING.
09:38:01AM A GALLON OF MILK TODAY IS HALF AN HOUR'S PAY TO 90% OF OUR
09:38:08AM POPULATION.
09:38:08AM THE CHEAPEST I HAVE IT IS $4.52.
09:38:13AM THE HIGHEST -- NOT HIGHEST I HAVE SEEN IT.
09:38:16AM EXCUSE ME.
09:38:16AM THE CHEAPEST IS $2.53.
09:38:19AM ONE IS A P, AND THE OTHER IS A W.
09:38:23AM YOU CAN FIGURE IT OUT FOR YOURSELF.
09:38:25AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, GOOD MORNING.
09:38:28AM FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO CLARIFY, TERRIBLE AT PROJECT
09:38:32AM MANAGEMENT IS NOT THE VIEW OF PROBABLY EVERY SINGLE
09:38:35AM COUNCILMEMBER UP HERE.
09:38:36AM I DO NOT SEE IT THAT WAY, AND I WANT TO STATE THAT.
09:38:39AM I KNOW YOU ALL WORK VERY HARD ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.
09:38:42AM AND APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS.
09:38:44AM ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DO SEE IS, YOU KNOW, I SEE PEOPLE
09:38:47AM STANDING BEFORE ME THAT WERE NOT HERE WHEN THIS PROJECT CAME
09:38:50AM TO LIFE IN THE VERY BEGINNING.
09:38:52AM SO WORDING, VERBIAGE, CHANGES, NEEDS CHANGE, SO I CAN SEE
09:38:58AM WHY THAT ALSO TOOK PLACE.
09:39:00AM INCLUDING FORENSICS, EVEN OF TODAY IS INTERESTING TO ME
09:39:06AM BECAUSE THAT -- WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, YOU KNOW, THAT PROBABLY
09:39:11AM FELL UNDER FUTURE PROGRAMMING OR FUTURE UNITS.
09:39:13AM SO WORD SOMETHING NOT WHAT IS AT PLAY HERE.
09:39:16AM IT IS REALLY FOR ME, WHAT DO WE NEED.
09:39:19AM DO WE NEED EVERYTHING HOUSED IN ONE LOCATION?
09:39:22AM YES, WEIGH DO.
09:39:23AM HOW MUCH DOES IT COST?
09:39:25AM COST $40 MILLION.
09:39:26AM THAT IS WHAT IS PRESENTED TO US NOW.
09:39:28AM I DON'T FEEL THAT IS HIDING EVERYTHING AND TERRIBLE FOR
09:39:32AM PROGRAM MANAGEMENT.
09:39:32AM WE HAVE NEW PEOPLE IN PLACE.
09:39:34AM WE HAVE A NEW CHIEF THAT TOOK OVER.
09:39:36AM WE HAVE A CONTRACT ADMINISTRATOR THAT HAS TAKEN OVER.
09:39:40AM WE ARE GETTING IT RIGHT.
09:39:41AM YOU ALL HAVE BEEN TRANSPARENT.
09:39:44AM AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
09:39:45AM I THINK IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY NOW THAT WE HAVE ALL OF
09:39:48AM THIS INFORMATION TO SAY HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD.
09:39:51AM THERE HAVE BEEN PROJECTS IN THE PAST WHERE THE COMMUNICATION
09:39:53AM HAVEN'T BEEN CLEAR, BUT YOU ARE STANDING BEFORE US NOT TO BE
09:39:56AM POLITICIZED BUT TO ENSURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND HOW GREAT THIS
09:39:59AM NEED IS.
09:39:59AM SO I APPRECIATE YOU BEING PRESENT, EVEN IN LIGHT OF THE FACT
09:40:03AM YOU HAVE A VERY IMPORTANT FUNERAL TO GO TO TODAY, BECAUSE I
09:40:06AM UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF, YOU KNOW, WHY OUR POLICE NEED
09:40:08AM WHAT THEY NEED AND WHY IT IS IN THE COMMUNITY'S BEST
09:40:11AM INTEREST THAT WE HAVE WHAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR US.
09:40:15AM THANK YOU.
09:40:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
09:40:16AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:40:19AM THANK YOU ALL.
09:40:21AM I GOT IN LATE.
09:40:22AM WHAT TIME IS Y'ALL'S FUNERAL AT?
09:40:25AM >> WE HAVE TO LEAVE IN ABOUT TEN MINUTES.
09:40:27AM >>LUIS VIERA: I WILL ABBREVIATE MY REMARKS.
09:40:29AM I THINK THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO THIS.
09:40:31AM AND WE CAN GO WITH ONE ANOTHER.
09:40:34AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS TALKING OF A PROCESS SHE FEELS NEEDS
09:40:38AM TO BE FURTHER LOOKED AT FOR TRANSPARENCY.
09:40:42AM I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WILL OPPOSE THAT.
09:40:44AM BUT THE LARGER ISSUE IS SOMETHING WE HAVE GOT TO GET DONE IN
09:40:47AM TODAY'S BUDGET 110%.
09:40:49AM I FEEL THAT BY HAVING Y'ALL HERE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE
09:40:51AM TO LEAVE FOR A FUNERAL, IT IS NOT FOR POLITICS SAKE, IT IS
09:40:55AM BECAUSE YOU HAVE CONTRACT MANAGEMENT AND A TPD PROJECT AND
09:40:59AM SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT.
09:40:59AM AS AN ATTORNEY, I DON'T DO CRIMINAL LAW, I NEVER HAVE.
09:41:03AM I HAVE NO INTEREST IN IT.
09:41:05AM CIVIL LITIGATION, PRESERVATION OF EVIDENCE IS EVERYTHING.
09:41:09AM I GET A CASE, PLEASE PRESERVE THIS, TWO-PAGE LIST OF
09:41:15AM PRESERVATION.
09:41:16AM IF THEY DON'T PRESERVE IT, THEY ARE DISPUTED.
09:41:19AM THEY ARE IN TROUBLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PAY MONEY OR LOSE
09:41:22AM MONEY, WHATEVER SIDE YOU ARE ON.
09:41:23AM WHEN YOU GUYS LOSE THINGS OR EVIDENCE GETS SPOILED, WHEN
09:41:27AM THERE IS SPOLIATION OF EVIDENCE, GUESS WHAT HAPPENS?
09:41:30AM INJUSTICE.
09:41:30AM IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.
09:41:32AM SO THAT IS WHY I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING VERY HAVE VERY
09:41:35AM IMPORTANT SO Y'ALL'S PRESENCE HERE IS VERY WELL TAKEN.
09:41:39AM THIS IS GOING TO PASS, I THINK, 7-0.
09:41:41AM AGAIN COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS TALKING OF A PROCESS THAT I AM
09:41:45AM SURE WE CAN ALL IMPROVE ON FOR TRANSPARENCY, ETC.
09:41:49AM BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE WILL PASS 7-0 ON THIS.
09:41:52AM THAT'S ALL.
09:41:53AM I ABBREVIATED MY REMARKS.
09:41:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS
09:41:58AM IS THIS GOING TO BE A COMPLETELY BONDED PROJECT?
09:42:03AM >>RICHARD MUTTERBACK: YES, SIR.
09:42:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PENDING THE CIT RENEWAL, WILL BE
09:42:09AM ELIGIBLE TO BE PAID FOR CIT FUNDING AT LEAST PARTIALLY?
09:42:12AM I KNOW WHEN THE CIT WAS INTRODUCED IN THE '90s, IT WENT TO
09:42:18AM SUBSTATIONS, POLICE SUBSTATIONS AND, YOU KNOW, OTHER PUBLIC
09:42:23AM SAFETIES ITEMS.
09:42:24AM WILL THAT BE HE WILL I BELIEVE?
09:42:27AM >>MIKE PERRY: MIKE PERRY, BUDGET OFFICER.
09:42:28AM MOST OF THE PROJECT WILL BE PAID FOR BY THE BONDS, THE
09:42:31AM DESIGN AND THE CONSTRUCTION.
09:42:33AM WE HAD SOME INITIAL PROPERTY ACQUISITION THAT WE USED
09:42:37AM UTILITY TAX FOR VERY EARLY IN THE PROJECT.
09:42:41AM PROBABLY 90 TO 95% OF THE PROJECT WILL BE DEBT FINANCED.
09:42:47AM AS FAR AS THIS WILL BE PAID FOR BY THE POTENTIAL COMMUNITY
09:42:50AM INVESTMENT TAX?
09:42:51AM I THINK A LOT OF THAT IS GOING TO BE DEPENDING ON WHAT THE
09:42:53AM ATTORNEYS TELL US WE CAN DO AND THE TIMING OF THE PROJECT.
09:42:59AM I DO BELIEVE RICHARD SAID YOU ARE COMING TO COUNCIL THIS --
09:43:05AM >> THURSDAY.
09:43:05AM >> THIS COMING THURSDAY FOR AN AMENDMENT.
09:43:08AM ONCE THAT AMENDMENT OF AMENDMENT IS DONE.
09:43:11AM HOW LONG IS THE DESIGN?
09:43:12AM HOW LONG WILL WE FINISH UP THE DESIGN?
09:43:15AM >>RICHARD MUTTERBACK: TO FINISH THE BIDDABLE DOCUMENTS AND
09:43:20AM THEY ARE NEARLY 100% NOW.
09:43:22AM >> WE WILL SIGN THAT.
09:43:24AM DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THE TIME ALSO BE GOOD ENOUGH TO USE
09:43:27AM PAY-GO FROM THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX.
09:43:29AM BUT IF WE ISSUE DEBT, SOME OF THAT CAN BE RESECURITIZED AND
09:43:34AM PAID FOR BY THE CIT RENEWAL.
09:43:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:43:40AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:43:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WISH PEOPLE WOULD NOT GET SIDETRACKED WITH
09:43:44AM THIS PROJECT.
09:43:44AM THE ISSUE IS HOW TO MAKE THE DESCRIPTIONS MORE SPECIFIC.
09:43:48AM I WILL ASK MR. MUDDERBACK TO COME UP.
09:43:52AM WHAT CAN WE TO DO MAKE PURE PROJECT DESCRIPTIONS IN THE
09:43:55AM CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT NO LONGER SAY "OTHER FACILITIES
09:43:58AM AND FUTURE PROGRAMMING."
09:44:00AM HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THESE ARE SPECIFIC?
09:44:04AM >>RICHARD MUTTERBACK: FIRST OF ALL -- RICHARD MUTTERBACK.
09:44:10AM WE TRY TO BE SPECIFIC IN THE PROJECT TITLE.
09:44:12AM YOU GET INTO SCOPE -- A LOT OF THAT SCOPE ESPECIALLY WHEN
09:44:17AM YOU HAVE PROGRAMMING THAT IS BUILT IN "OTHER" IS ALL YOU CAN
09:44:20AM SAY BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GET IN -- IF THERE IS NO FEASIBILITY
09:44:23AM STUDY AND NO MASTER PLAN AND NO ASSESSMENTS PRIOR TO, THAT
09:44:28AM IS BAKE INTO AS PART OF THE DESIGN.
09:44:30AM THE OTHER FACILITIES AND OTHER OPTIONS KIND OF LIKE, WHAT
09:44:33AM CAN WE DO WITH THIS SITE.
09:44:35AM THIS IS -- LIKE IN THIS CASE, THIS IS AN EXISTING SITE, AN
09:44:38AM EXISTING BUILDING.
09:44:40AM SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS AVAILABLE?
09:44:42AM WHAT COULD WE FIT IN THERE?
09:44:44AM UNTIL THEY GET IN THERE WITH THE DESIGN EXACTLY LIKE -- I
09:44:48AM MEAN -- THAT WOULD BE THE EXAMPLE HERE.
09:44:49AM I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR MORE.
09:44:52AM IT IS IN THERE, AS FAR AS IN THE DESIGN CRITERIA PACKAGE.
09:44:56AM WE TALKED ABOUT -- WE SPECIFICALLY BROUGHT UP EVIDENCE, BUT
09:44:59AM I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY DOESN'T WANT TO GO TO PAGE TWO OF THE
09:45:02AM DESIGN CRITERIA PACKAGE.
09:45:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS KIND OF MY POINT.
09:45:06AM IN FY '22, YOU SAYS IT SIMPLY A IMPOUND LOT.
09:45:11AM LATER IN FY '22, IN THE SCOPE OF SERVICES CLEARLY SAYS
09:45:17AM "FORENSIC BUILDING."
09:45:19AM MY QUESTION IN 2023, WHY IT WASN'T CHANGED TO IMPOUND
09:45:23AM FACILITY, FORENSICS AND OTHER OFFICES.
09:45:25AM IF WE KNEW IT WOULD BE SUCH A BIG PART -- IT WASN'T JUST
09:45:29AM OTHER OFFICES.
09:45:29AM IT WASN'T JUST OTHER -- EVEN AS FAR AS WE GET TO 2025, IT IS
09:45:35AM "AND OFFICES."
09:45:37AM IF FORENSICS -- AND NO, THIS IS SPECIFICALLY A QUESTION FOR
09:45:40AM MR. MUTTERBACK.
09:45:42AM AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO CLOUD IT WITH WHAT DEPARTMENT IT IS.
09:45:45AM THIS IS YOUR DOE MINUTE.
09:45:48AM AND YOU NEED BETWEEN YOU AND MISS COLINA TO TELL US HOW WE
09:45:53AM AND THE PUBLIC CAN TELL FROM THIS SPECIFIC DOCUMENTS,
09:45:58AM OTHERWISE, I AM HAPPY TO SIT HERE AND QUESTION EVERY SINGLE
09:46:01AM 150 CIP PROJECT.
09:46:03AM I AM HAPPY TO DO THAT.
09:46:04AM I AM HAPPY TO GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE DESCRIPTION AND SAY,
09:46:08AM WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY "OFFICES?"
09:46:10AM WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY "OTHER?"
09:46:14AM BUT THAT IS NOT A GOOD USE OF ANYBODY'S TIME.
09:46:16AM >>RICHARD MUTTERBACK: I AM SORRY BUT -- MAY I?
09:46:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S WHAT I AM ASKING.
09:46:23AM HOW TO DO THIS IN THE FUTURE SO I AM NOT READING "AND
09:46:27AM OFFICES."
09:46:28AM WHEN YOU MEAN "FORENSICS."
09:46:32AM >>RICHARD MUTTERBACK: JUST FOR CLARIFICATION AND SOMETHING
09:46:36AM WE ARE TRYING TO BROADEN THROUGHOUT THE ADMINISTRATION,
09:46:39AM CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION HAS NO PROJECTS.
09:46:40AM WE HAVE NO BUDGETS.
09:46:42AM WE ARE A SUPPORT DEPARTMENT.
09:46:43AM TPD IS OUR CUSTOMER.
09:46:46AM WE WORK FOR THEM.
09:46:47AM SO WHEN THEY COME TO US WITH A PROJECT AND A NEED, THEN WE
09:46:50AM HELP THEM FACILITATE THAT PROJECT OR NEED.
09:46:52AM AND WE ARE THE ARM TO GET THAT OUT TO THE PUBLIC
09:46:56AM THROUGH RFQ, THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS AND IN THROUGH
09:46:59AM DESIGN.
09:47:00AM BUT, I MEAN, SHE STEPPED UP TO THE PODIUM.
09:47:03AM YOU REFERRED TO IT AS OUR PROJECT.
09:47:06AM WE DON'T HAVE PROJECTS.
09:47:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK: MISS COLINA'S PROJECT.
09:47:11AM UNDER LOGISTICS AND ASSET MANAGEMENT.
09:47:15AM MISS COLINA, HOW DO WE DO IN THE FUTURE TO MAKE IT MORE
09:47:22AM SPECIFIC.
09:47:23AM >>ADRIANA COLINA: I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.
09:47:24AM IT IS UNDER MY DEPARTMENT BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WE WILL INHERIT
09:47:28AM IT, MAINTAIN AND REPAIR.
09:47:30AM BUT WE HAVE TO COLLABORATE WITH THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
09:47:31AM THAT'S HOW WE GET THERE.
09:47:33AM AGAIN, AS MR. MUTTERBACK STATED, POLICE IS OUR CUSTOMER.
09:47:38AM SIMILAR TO REMODELING A NEW HOUSE AND BUILDING A NEW HOME.
09:47:42AM PARTNER WITH GENERAL CONTRACT AND OTHERS.
09:47:45AM IT IS NOT JUST ONE PERSON.
09:47:46AM WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DELIVERING TO YOU WHAT YOU
09:47:49AM WANT IN THE END.
09:47:50AM THAT COLLABORATION NEEDS TO OCCUR.
09:47:52AM AND I WILL ALSO SAY, I THINK IN THE SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY
09:47:56AM WHICH WE ARE VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT IS KIND OF WHAT HAS US
09:48:00AM IN THIS CONVERSATION.
09:48:01AM BECAUSE WHEN YOU START A DESIGN, OUR CUSTOMER, AGAIN, IN
09:48:04AM THIS CASE, POLICE, THEY CAN SAY WE WANT THESE STORAGE UNITS.
09:48:08AM WE WANT FORENSICS.
09:48:10AM BUT IT HAS NOT YET BEEN APPROVED.
09:48:12AM IN FACT WE ARE COMING BACK BEFORE YOU.
09:48:15AM SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT CRYSTAL BALL TO SAY THIS WILL
09:48:19AM INCLUDE A, B, AND C INDEFINITELY.
09:48:23AM WE CAN SAY "OTHER OFFICES" BECAUSE HAVING THAT DIALOGUE AND
09:48:26AM DISCUSSION.
09:48:27AM IT HAS NOT YET BEEN APPROVED.
09:48:28AM BUT EARLY ON WE PUT "EVIDENCE," I WANT TO SAY IT SAYS
09:48:35AM "FORENSICS" ON THE ELMO.
09:48:37AM AND THIS IS FEBRUARY OF 2022.
09:48:39AM IT DOES SAY "FORENSIC UNIT."
09:48:42AM AGAIN, THOSE WERE REQUESTS.
09:48:43AM I CAN ASSURE YOU THERE ARE OTHER REQUESTS THAT WERE MADE
09:48:48AM THAT IN THE SAKE -- OR IN THE INTEREST OF KEEPING COSTS
09:48:53AM DOWN, QUESTION WE TOLD THE POLICE, NO, WE ARE NOT GOING TO
09:48:57AM DO THAT.
09:48:58AM THEY WANTED INITIALLY TO PAVE THE SPACE WHERE THE IMPOUNDED
09:49:02AM VEHICLES WOULD GO.
09:49:03AM WE NEEDED TO MAKE SURE FROM A STORMWATER RUNOFF SPACE THAT
09:49:06AM WE WOULD KEEP THAT GRAVEL, BECAUSE WE WANTED THAT WATER --
09:49:10AM THE WATER TO BE ABLE TO PERMEATE.
09:49:12AM THEY DON'T ALWAYS GET WHAT THEY ASK FOR.
09:49:15AM WE REALLY CAN'T TELL YOU IT IS GOING TO BE A PAVED LOT.
09:49:18AM IT IS GOING TO BE THIS.
09:49:19AM IT IS GOING TO BE THAT.
09:49:21AM BECAUSE IT REQUIRES YOUR APPROVAL.
09:49:23AM IT REQUIRES THIS VERY DISCUSSION.
09:49:25AM UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU THAT DEFINITIVE
09:49:28AM FROM THE BEGINNING BECAUSE PART OF A PLAN AND PART OF A NEED
09:49:31AM TO SAY, MAYOR, DO YOU APPROVE THIS?
09:49:34AM COUNCIL, DO YOU APPROVE THAT?
09:49:36AM IN THAT MOMENT WHEN WE COME BEFORE YOU THAT IS WHEN IT
09:49:39AM IS A, B AND C DEFINITELY.
09:49:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK: AND YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THE FORENSICS
09:49:45AM PART FOR A WHILE.
09:49:46AM IT SHOULD HAVE CHANGED IN THE DESCRIPTION ONCE YOU KNEW FOR
09:49:49AM SURE IT WAS FORENSICS.
09:49:51AM >>RICHARD MUTTERBACK: ARE YOU STATING SPECIFICALLY IN THE
09:49:57AM BUDGET BOOK?
09:49:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS WHERE THE PUBLIC GALLONS.
09:50:01AM >>RICHARD MUTTERBACK: WE HEAR YOU AND WORK WITH OUR PARTNER
09:50:07AM DEPARTMENTS TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE HAVE INFORMATION TO PROVIDE
09:50:09AM AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE.
09:50:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S ALL I AM ASKING.
09:50:12AM WE ARE NOT HERE TO REHASH THE PAST.
09:50:14AM THAT IS NOT MY GOAL.
09:50:15AM MY GOAL IS WHAT DO WE DO GOING FORWARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
09:50:20AM ALL UNDERSTAND THIS AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE FOR
09:50:23AM EITHER ONE OF YOU, I AM NOT QUITE SURE WHICH, WHERE IS THE
09:50:27AM PLACE WHERE WE WILL BE ABLE TO KNOW -- LIKE -- AT WHAT POINT
09:50:31AM DO WE KNOW WHAT EACH PROJECT ACTUALLY ENTAILS?
09:50:35AM IS IT SAT THE RFQ POINT?
09:50:38AM WHERE IN THAT DO WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING TO ENTAIL?
09:50:43AM >>RICHARD MUTTERBACK: THE DESIGN CRITERIA PACKAGE?
09:50:46AM EVERY RFQ, AND, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF -- LET
09:50:51AM ME SEE.
09:50:52AM SORRY, I GOT A LOT SO EVERY RFQ THAT COMES OUT OF THE CITY
09:51:03AM LOOKS LIKE THIS AND GIVES A DESCRIPTION OF WHAT ALL IS
09:51:12AM INVOLVED AND TYPICALLY TRIES TO GET AN ESTIMATED BUDGET
09:51:15AM HERE.
09:51:16AM THIS PARTICULAR CASE WE LABELED THAT AS CURRENT FUNDING $5.3
09:51:22AM MILLION AND A LOT TO FIND OUT AND STILL GOING AS YOU POINTED
09:51:26AM OUT, JUST AN IMPOUND LOT TO -- LET'S MOVE THE OTHER
09:51:30AM FACILITIES THERE.
09:51:31AM AND WHAT IF WE CAN MOVE ALL OF TPD THERE.
09:51:34AM WE WERE STILL -- AT THAT TIME QUESTIONED CURRENT FUNDING
09:51:38AM AMOUNT OF $5.3 MILLION.
09:51:40AM AS PART OF THOSE RFQs --
09:51:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU ZOOM OUT A BIT.
09:51:45AM >>RICHARD MUTTERBACK: WE HAVE A DESIGN CRITERIA PACKAGE PUT
09:51:52AM TOGETHER BY A FIRM OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OR MY WONDERFUL
09:51:55AM ARCHITECTS THAT WORK WITH ME THROUGH CONTRACT
09:51:58AM ADMINISTRATION.
09:51:59AM WHAT GOES IN THIS PACKAGE IS A LOT OF INTERVIEWS, RESEARCH
09:52:02AM WITH ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS, WITH OUR CUSTOMERS TO SEE
09:52:05AM EXACTLY WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE.
09:52:06AM AND THROUGHOUT THAT, YOU GET YOUR -- YOU GET YOUR SCOPE,
09:52:11AM PURPOSE.
09:52:11AM THERE IS THAT PROGRAMMING, INITIAL AND FUTURE THERE.
09:52:14AM MORE INFORMATION.
09:52:17AM AND THEN DOWN INTO.
09:52:22AM THEY ARE USUALLY -- I MEAN THEY CAN BE QUITE EXTENSIVE, BUT
09:52:27AM 10 OR 12 PAGES.
09:52:28AM LIKE IN THIS -- AND THEN WE GET DOWN TO BUDGET.
09:52:33AM A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE AND I UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE DON'T
09:52:36AM ALWAYS WANT TO LOOK THROUGH ALL THIS INFORMATION, BUT THIS
09:52:39AM IS JUST MORE FOR EDUCATION AND NOT JUST FOR YOU PEOPLE --
09:52:42AM YOU GUYS -- BUT FOR THE PUBLIC AS WELL.
09:52:44AM EVERY RFQ.
09:52:47AM MOST RFQs WILL HAVE A DESIGN CRITERIA PACKAGE ASSOCIATED
09:52:52AM WITH IT AND THAT INFORMATION WILL BE IN THERE.
09:52:53AM THAT SAME CRITERIA PACKAGE IS LIKE THE INSTRUCTIONS GIVEN TO
09:52:59AM PEOPLE AWARDED THE PROJECTS.
09:53:00AM HERE ARE YOUR INSTRUCTIONS.
09:53:04AM IF AT ANY POINT WE ALTER FROM THOSE AND THAT'S WHERE -- AS
09:53:10AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON POINTED OUT, WE LEARNED FROM MISTAKES.
09:53:12AM WE LISTENED TO COUNCIL.
09:53:14AM SOME OF THESE THREE OR FOUR PROJECTS WE MENTIONED.
09:53:16AM AND NOW HAVE A MECHANISM IN THIS EXECUTIVE ORDER GROW FROM
09:53:20AM $5 MILLION TO $10 MILLION TO $20 MILLION OR $30 MILLION AND
09:53:26AM WANT TO ADD ON, SITE RELOCATIONS.
09:53:28AM ALL THESE OTHER ITEMS.
09:53:30AM WE HAVE A MECHANISM TO STOP, REEVALUATE, REBID, AND AT THAT
09:53:36AM POINT, THE PUBLIC AND COUNCIL WILL BE PART OF THAT PROCESS AS
09:53:38AM WELL.
09:53:38AM WE HAVE THAT MECHANISM.
09:53:40AM AND THAT'S WHY I WANT TO CHAMPION OUR AMENDMENT COMING UP
09:53:43AM THURSDAY.
09:53:43AM OUR FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO USE THAT EXECUTIVE ORDER.
09:53:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM JUST WONDERING MAYBE WE REQUEST AN RFP
09:53:52AM OR RFQ UPDATES WHERE THE COUNCIL LEARNS OF THE RFQs AND
09:53:59AM PUBLIC LEARNS THEM TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE.
09:54:01AM I AM GOING TO THINK ON THAT FOR A BIT.
09:54:04AM AND MAYBE I WILL TALK TO YOU OFF LINE.
09:54:07AM BUT JUST TO WEIGH MAYBE QUARTERLY, WE CAN ALL FIND OUT WHAT
09:54:11AM THESE RFQs ARE.
09:54:13AM >>RICHARD MUTTERBACK: THE GREAT EIGHT.
09:54:18AM WE CAN PUT MORE INFORMATION INTO THE GREAT EIGHT OR I CAN
09:54:20AM PROVIDE A QUARTERLY --
09:54:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T THINK THE EIGHT IS ENOUGH TO BE
09:54:25AM HONEST WITH YOU.
09:54:25AM 150 PROJECTS.
09:54:27AM IF THEY ARE OVER $100 MILLION, WE SHOULD HAVE A LITTLE RFQ
09:54:34AM INFORMATION TO FIND A WAY AND PERFECT IT.
09:54:43AM >>RICHARD MUTTERBACK: ON OUR WEB SITE THE RFQs ARE LISTED
09:54:51AM THERE.
09:54:51AM AS FAR AS -- LET ME SIMPLIFY.
09:54:54AM I WILL BE HAPPY TO HELP WHATEVER YOU CAN COME UP WITH.
09:54:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK WE CAN COME TOGETHER TO DO THAT AND I
09:55:00AM REALLY WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
09:55:02AM I KNOW THIS -- THIS IS IT JUST THE BEGINNING OF A JOURNEY.
09:55:05AM AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMMUNICATION AND WILLINGNESS
09:55:08AM TO TALK IT OUT.
09:55:09AM THANK YOU.
09:55:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, MIRANDA.
09:55:12AM WE HAVE TO WRAP IT UP BECAUSE THEY HAVE A FUNERAL.
09:55:14AM GO AHEAD, SIR.
09:55:16AM >>BILL CARLSON: MY COMMENTS ARE ABOUT PROCESS NOT ABOUT THE
09:55:21AM PROJECT.
09:55:21AM MR. MUTTERBACK.
09:55:23AM I WANT TO EXPRESS THANKS AGAINST.
09:55:25AM YOU HAVE BEEN HERE 18 MONTHS OR --
09:55:29AM >>RICHARD MUTTERBACK: SINCE JUNE OF LAST YEAR, 15 MONTHS.
09:55:34AM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU HAVE BEEN WORK HARD TO CHANGE THE
09:55:37AM PROCESS.
09:55:38AM I HEAR COMMENTS FROM PUBLIC.
09:55:40AM THE PROCESS BEFORE WAS NOT WHAT IT IS NOW.
09:55:42AM THE EXECUTIVE ORDER CHANGED A LOT.
09:55:45AM ONE THING THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND.
09:55:47AM YOU KNOW, I AM AGAINST ADDING MORE DEBT AND I THINK WE HAVE
09:55:51AM BEEN BONDING WAY TOO MUCH LATELY.
09:55:53AM AND I THINK IN THE CIP, WE SHOULD FLAG THINGS THAT INTEND TO
09:55:58AM THE BONDED, BECAUSE THAT SIGNALS TO THE PUBLIC THAT -- THAT
09:56:01AM IT IS GOING TO COST A LOT MORE THAN IT WOULD IF WE TOOK
09:56:06AM PAY-GO.
09:56:06AM I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FLAG THAT, BUT I WISH IT SAID BONDING IN
09:56:10AM THERE SO THE PUBLIC WILL FIND THAT OUT LATER.
09:56:13AM I WILL MAKE UP NUMBERS, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO BUILD A HOUSE.
09:56:18AM THEY GO TO A CONTRACT I AND SAY, I CAN ONLY AFFORD $500,000.
09:56:24AM IF THEY COME BACK AND SAY, AS WELL, IT WILL COST $600,000,
09:56:28AM YOU CAN SAY NO, CUT CERTAIN THINGS OUT.
09:56:31AM WHEN FOLKS -- WHEN YOUR CUSTOMERS COME TO YOU, DO THEY GIVE
09:56:34AM YOU A BUDGET?
09:56:35AM WHERE DOES THE BUDGET COME FROM?
09:56:37AM HOW -- OR IS IT OPEN-ENDED?
09:56:40AM >>RICHARD MUTTERBACK: WE HAVE AN INITIAL BUDGET.
09:56:44AM IT HAS BEEN VERY DIFFICULT -- I KNOW YOU ARE TIRED OF
09:56:48AM HEARING IT.
09:56:48AM IT HAS BEEN DIFFICULT THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.
09:56:50AM WE GET THAT $500,000 NUMBER AND GET BACK AND SAY WE WILL DO
09:56:54AM IT FOR $500,000.
09:56:56AM THEN THEY SAYS IT $550,000 BECAUSE OF X, Y AND Z.
09:57:02AM AS SOON AS WE GET THOSE NUMBERS WE GO BACK.
09:57:09AM WE WORK WITH A LOT OF GOOD FIRMS FROM THE AREA, AND OUR TEAM
09:57:12AM AND THEIR TEAM WORK VERY COLLABORATIVELY TO FIGURE OUT WAYS
09:57:16AM TO VALUE ENGINEER, CUT CERTAIN THINGS WHERE WE CAN.
09:57:20AM LIKE I SAID, BY THE TIME -- BY THE TIME WE EVEN GO THROUGH
09:57:24AM AND WORK THROUGH CUTTING THOSE PROJECTS AND WE GET A NEW
09:57:27AM ESTIMATE, THESE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS RIGHT BACK WHERE WE
09:57:31AM STARTED BECAUSE OF ESCALATIONS.
09:57:33AM >>BILL CARLSON: AND -- WE WILL TALK ABOUT MORE OF THAT
09:57:36AM OFFLINE.
09:57:36AM THE -- BUT IF THIS PROJECT CAME BACK AND IT WAS $100
09:57:42AM MILLION, WOULD WE STILL BE HERE TALKING ABOUT $100 MILLION.
09:57:45AM >>RICHARD MUTTERBACK: I DON'T THINK IT EVER WOULD EVER GOT
09:57:52AM --
09:57:52AM >>BILL CARLSON: WHERE THE LIMIT.
09:57:53AM LIKE WITH A HOUSE, $500,000.
09:57:55AM I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE MONEY?
09:57:57AM WHERE DOES THE LIMIT COME FROM?
09:58:00AM >>RICHARD MUTTERBACK: THAT IS TALKED ABOUT INTERNALLY
09:58:03AM BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENT ACE BUDGET AND FEASIBILITY.
09:58:06AM IS THIS FEASIBLE.
09:58:09AM >>BILL CARLSON: 50 MILLION.
09:58:10AM >>RICHARD MUTTERBACK: THE CONFERENCE ROOM IF IT WAS $100
09:58:15AM MILLION, THE DISCUSSION WOULD BE OVER IN 30 SECONDS.
09:58:18AM >>BILL CARLSON: THE OUR THING -- THANK YOU.
09:58:20AM I THINK WE NEED TO GET THOSE KIND OF NUMBERS TO 9 PUBLIC
09:58:24AM EARLIER.
09:58:24AM AS MISS COLINA SAID, IF YOU DO VALUE ENGINEERING, THAT IS
09:58:28AM IMPORTANT TO BRING TO THE PUBLIC TOO.
09:58:31AM OUR CUSTOMER, TPD WANTED BELLS AND WHISTLES, WE CUT THAT OUT
09:58:36AM AND THAT SAVED US $10 MILLION.
09:58:37AM THAT KIND OF THING IS IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO
09:58:40AM UNDERSTAND.
09:58:41AM WE ARE GETTING -- I AM GETTING A LOT OF FEEDBACK THAT WE
09:58:44AM SPEND TOO MUCH MONEY AND DON'T PUT LIMITS ON IT AND NOT
09:58:48AM CAREFUL OFF AND LET CONTRACTORS COME AND BID TOO MUCH.
09:58:53AM AND ALSO WE ARE PAYING TOO MUCH EARLIER.
09:58:56AM TO COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S COMMENT ABOUT INTEREST.
09:58:59AM I THINK IT IS GOOD FOR US TO PUT A CLOSURE OF THE TOTAL COST
09:59:02AM OF A PROJECT.
09:59:03AM IF YOU MAKE A MOTION, I WILL SUPPORT IT.
09:59:05AM YOU KNOW WHEN YOU BUY A HOUSE, A FULL DISCLOSURE FORM THAT
09:59:11AM HAS THE TOTAL COST, CLOSING COST, TITLE INSURANCE,
09:59:15AM EVERYTHING.
09:59:15AM AND THE INTEREST.
09:59:16AM AND YOU SEE WHAT YOU WILL BE PAYING THROUGH THE WHOLE TIME.
09:59:18AM AND WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT?
09:59:20AM ON A BUILDING LIKE HANNA AVENUE, IF YOU -- IF YOU TAKE $121
09:59:25AM MILLION AND DIVIDE IT BY 30 YEARS, HOWEVER MANY MONTHS THAT
09:59:30AM IS, YOU CAN -- YOU CAN COMPARE THAT NUMBER TO HOW MUCH YOU
09:59:35AM WOULD PAY IN RENT.
09:59:36AM THAT WILL NOT GIVE YOU AN ACCURATE NUMBER.
09:59:39AM THE MOST ACCURATE NUMBER IS INCLUDES THE INTEREST AND O&M.
09:59:44AM YOU PAY THAT AMOUNT OF O AND M IN RENT.
09:59:47AM WHAT THE ESCALATION COSTS ARE.
09:59:49AM THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN LOOK AT APPLES-TO-APPLES IS TO LOOK AT
09:59:55AM THE TOTAL COST OF IT AND THE SAME THING THE PUBLIC SHOULD
09:59:58AM DO.
09:59:58AM IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUY AN AFFORDABLE HOME FOR THE FIRST
10:00:01AM TIME GO THROUGH CLASSES FHA APPROVED AND TEACH PEOPLE NOT TO
10:00:06AM JUST LOOK AT THE PRINCIPAL BUT LOOK AT INTEREST AND
10:00:09AM INSURANCE.
10:00:09AM AND ALL THE OTHER INDIVIDUAL COSTS.
10:00:12AM IT IS IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THAT AND WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO
10:00:14AM DO THAT.
10:00:14AM IT IS TO BE PUNITIVE IN ANY WAY, TO HAVE THE TOTAL COST TO
10:00:20AM THE PUBLIC.
10:00:21AM DO PAY-GO LIKE THE BRICKS IN YBOR CITY, IT WILL BE BETTER
10:00:26AM THAN BORROWING MONEY.
10:00:28AM IF WE BORROW MONEY, WE NEED TO SHOW IT?
10:00:32AM LASTLY, WHAT ARE WE DOING OF THE TREES ON THIS SITE?
10:00:36AM >> SO WE HAD AN ARBORIST COME IN AND EXAMINE ALL THE TREES.
10:00:39AM THE GRAND OAKS WILL ALL REMAIN.
10:00:41AM THAT WAS PART OF THE PROCESSES.
10:00:44AM YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT REALLY TRYING TO BE IN THE IMPOUND
10:00:48AM BUSINESS ANYMORE.
10:00:49AM SO WE ARE TRYING TO OUTSOURCE THAT TO PRIVATE BUSINESSES.
10:00:53AM SO WE WILL NOT BE STORING AS MANY VEHICLES AT THIS NEW
10:00:57AM FACILITY.
10:00:57AM ALTHOUGH THE 34th STREET PROJECT IS PRIMARILY CALLED THE
10:01:02AM IMPOUND LOT, WE DID A LOT OF EVIDENCE STORAGE THERE AND WE
10:01:06AM HAD SMALL FORENSIC PROCESSING THERE.
10:01:09AM WE WILL BRING THAT ALL TO HANNA, BUT THE GRAND OAKS WILL ALL
10:01:14AM STAY.
10:01:14AM ARBORIST STUDY IS DONE.
10:01:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:01:18AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT INBOUND LOT.
10:01:22AM THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO, ALL THE WRECKER PEOPLE IN THE
10:01:25AM ROTATION REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR FUTURE BECAUSE A RUMOR
10:01:29AM -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS FACTUAL -- THAT IT WAS ALL GOING
10:01:32AM TO GO TO ONE WRECKER COMPANY.
10:01:33AM THEN IN MY MIND, I AM ASSUME WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IS THE
10:01:37AM STORAGE OF THOSE IMPOUND CARS THAT YOU NEED FOR FORENSIC
10:01:41AM EVIDENCE TO ONE COMPANY ONLY.
10:01:43AM AM I RIGHT OR WRONG?
10:01:46AM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
10:01:46AM THE ROTATION IMPOUND DID NOT CHANGE AT ALL.
10:01:48AM WE ARE RENTING.
10:01:49AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: A COMPANY WITH A C -- IT WASN'
10:01:53AM "CHARLIE."
10:01:55AM I ASSUME WE HAVE THE ROTATION GOING ON OTHER VEHICLES?
10:01:58AM >> YES, WE DO.
10:01:59AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO GET THAT CLEAR AND I AM SURE
10:02:01AM THEY ARE LISTENING AND I DON'T WANT ANY CONFUSION AND IT
10:02:05AM BECAME A STORAGE AREA BECAUSE YOU, WHAT?
10:02:08AM PROFESSIONALIZED YOUR ORGANIZATION AND NECESSITY WHEN YOU GO
10:02:11AM TO COURT.
10:02:12AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:02:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:02:14AM PUBLIC COMMENT?
10:02:16AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:02:16AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: CAN YOU STATE THE NAME OF THE OFFICER
10:02:20AM PASSED AWAY.
10:02:22AM >>LEE BERCAW: RETIRED DETECTIVE RAY ESTEVEZ.
10:02:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM, COME ON UP AND STATE YOUR
10:02:29AM NAME.
10:02:30AM >> WHEN MYSELF --
10:02:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:02:40AM >> HI, I AM STEPHANIE POYNOR.
10:02:44AM WHEN GO LOOKING FOR A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT FOR THE
10:02:47AM CITY OF TAMPA, THIS IS WHERE I GO.
10:02:48AM PLEASE NOTE, THERE IS ONE FACILITY MANAGEMENT PROCESS.
10:02:51AM THAT IS HANNA STREET.
10:02:53AM AND THERE IS ONE FIRE PROJECT.
10:02:55AM THERE IS NO TPD PROJECTS.
10:02:57AM SO I -- I KEEP LOOKING HERE FOR PROJECTS, AND I CAN'T FIND
10:03:03AM WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR.
10:03:04AM THERE IS NO SOLID WASTE PROJECT HERE.
10:03:06AM WHY?
10:03:07AM IF THIS IS WHERE WE ARE SUPPOSED TO GO TO FIND OUT WHAT WE
10:03:11AM ARE SPENDING OUR GIANT POTS OF MONEY ON.
10:03:13AM WHY IS IT NOT IN HERE?
10:03:15AM AND WHEN COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS ASKING, WHY?
10:03:19AM THIS SAYS 162 PROJECTS.
10:03:21AM BUT I LISTED OFF TWO OR THREE THAT AREN'T EVEN ON THIS LIST.
10:03:26AM WHY DO WE HAVE THIS WEB SITE IF WE ARE NOT GOING TO PUT THE
10:03:29AM INFORMATION IN THERE.
10:03:29AM AND THAT CIP LIST YOU WERE GIVEN AT THE LAST MEETING THAT
10:03:35AM HAD THE NEWS OVER TO THE LEFT, THOSE AREN'T IN HERE EITHER
10:03:39AM -- MOST OF THEM.
10:03:39AM WHY DO WE HAVE THIS?
10:03:40AM I WANT TO POINT OUT BECAUSE REAL HARD FOR THE PUBLIC NO KNOW
10:03:44AM SOMETHING WHEN WE CAN'T FIND IT.
10:03:45AM I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT COUNCILMAN VIERA HAS ASKED AT
10:03:49AM LEAST 100 TIMES AND I HEARD IT FROM SOMEBODY ELSE TOO.
10:03:51AM PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN.
10:03:53AM IF WE HAD A PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN, THAT WOULD KIND OF
10:03:57AM INCLUDE THE BUILDINGS, WOULDN'T IT?
10:03:59AM I COULD BE WRONG, I JUST -- I ALWAYS END UP HERE WITH
10:04:04AM QUESTIONS.
10:04:04AM MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS.
10:04:05AM I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT REZONING AND WELLS WOOD
10:04:08AM SIGNING OFF ON THIS DOESN'T HAVE A DAMN THING TO DO WITH HOW
10:04:12AM MUCH MONEY YOU ARE GOING TO SPEND ON IT.
10:04:13AM IT MEANS THEY ARE OKAY WITH THE PROJECT.
10:04:15AM IT MEANS THE REZONING WAS OKAY WITH THE PROJECT.
10:04:18AM IT DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HOW MUCH MONEY IT WAS.
10:04:20AM AND I GUARANTEE YOU, IF YOU TOLD THEM THAT WE HAVE SPENT
10:04:25AM $330ISH MILLION DOLLARS IN CAPITAL PROJECTS OVER THE LAST
10:04:30AM FIVE YEARS SINCE THIS WAS REZONED AND OKAYED BY THE
10:04:32AM NEIGHBORHOOD, I GUARANTEE YOU THAT THEY WILL TELL YOU,
10:04:41AM WAIT A MINUTE, GONE DOWN THIS ROAD.
10:04:42AM YELLOW BRICK ROAD.
10:04:44AM THIS IS THE FIRST STEP ON THE YELLOW BRICK ROAD.
10:04:47AM THIS IS WHERE WE ARE GOING TO COME BACK.
10:04:48AM I AM SO CONFUSED.
10:04:50AM THIS GENTLEMAN TOLD US -- I DIDN'T GET HIS NAME BECAUSE I
10:04:54AM WAS BUSY WRITING DOWN THE FACTS.
10:04:55AM THIS GENTLEMAN TOLD US ALMOST 100% DONE AND COMING BACK AND
10:04:59AM ASKING FOR MORE MONEY.
10:05:00AM WHY DO THEY NEED MORE MONEY IF IT IS ALMOST DONE.
10:05:04AM I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS.
10:05:06AM IF I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS, GO FIND SOMEBODY ELSE WHO
10:05:09AM DOES, WHO DOESN'T WORK HERE.
10:05:11AM NEXT.
10:05:13AM PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT FEES.
10:05:15AM YOU KNOW 2021, YOU WERE ASKED -- PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT FEE.
10:05:21AM THAT WOULD HAVE PAID FOR PART OF THAT HAD WE HAD IT IN THE
10:05:26AM THING.
10:05:26AM AND WE SPENT $276 MILLION ALREADY, BUT WE NEED ANOTHER
10:05:30AM MILLION -- AND OH, 40%.
10:05:32AM IF OUR -- IF OUR CONSTRUCTION COSTS WENT UP 40% AND WE
10:05:37AM ORIGINALLY ESTIMATED AT 5.3%, THAT WILL MAKE IT $7.4
10:05:42AM MILLION.
10:05:42AM NOT $40 MILLION.
10:05:43AM NOT $40 MILLION.
10:05:45AM WE NEED THESE FACILITIES BUT WE NEED TO GET OUR HEADS OUT OF
10:05:48AM OUR BEHINDS.
10:05:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT IS ITEM 1, COUNCIL TO DISCUSSION
10:05:54AM THE 2025 OPERATING FISCAL BUDGET.
10:05:58AM WHO WILL SPEAK IN MR. ROGERO, COME ON UP, SIR, AND PLEASE
10:06:03AM STATE YOUR NAME.
10:06:04AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
10:06:11AM DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
10:06:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT.
10:06:15AM GO AHEAD, SIR.
10:06:16AM >>LUIS VIERA: I HAVE A QUESTION.
10:06:17AM JUST FOR PURPOSES OF TIME, DO THE COUNCIL RULES THAT WE
10:06:20AM ADOPTED, DO THEY APPLY TO WORKSHOP AS SOON AS.
10:06:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT A SENSE.
10:06:26AM >>LUIS VIERA: FIVE MINUTES, THREE MINUTES.
10:06:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THEY HAVE THE TIMER ON.
10:06:30AM >>LUIS VIERA: LOOKING SUNDAY SECTION H, COUNCIL SHALL LIMIT
10:06:35AM TIME OF AN AGENDA ITEM TO BE NO LONGER THAN FIVE MINUTES IN
10:06:38AM THE FIRST GO AROUND, THREE MINUTES IN THE SECOND GO AROUND,
10:06:42AM AND COUNCILMEMBERS SHOULD REFRAIN SPEAKING TWO IS IN THE
10:06:45AM SAME SUBJECT MEETING.
10:06:46AM MR. SHELBY, AGAIN, IF WE ARE GOING TO ENFORCE RULES, WE
10:06:49AM SHOULD ENFORCE RULES.
10:06:50AM ALL I AM SAYING.
10:06:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:06:54AM YES, SIR, MR. ROGERO.
10:06:58AM GO AHEAD, SIR.
10:07:02AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:07:04AM GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:07:06AM DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
10:07:10AM THANK YOU FOR HAVING US AGAIN TO TALK OF THE FISCAL '25
10:07:14AM BUDGET.
10:07:14AM THE OPERATING BUDGET.
10:07:15AM AGAIN, AS ALWAYS, I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAD
10:07:19AM AMONGST US SINCE THE PRESENTATION OF THE BUDGET AND THE CIP
10:07:24AM WORKSHOP TWO WEEKS AGO AND THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE HAD WITH
10:07:27AM YOUR BUDGET ANALYST.
10:07:28AM AGAIN, YOU SEE THE MAYOR'S EXECUTIVE TEAM IS HERE TO ANSWER
10:07:33AM QUESTIONS.
10:07:33AM I HAVE A VERY BRIEF PRESENTATION.
10:07:35AM VERY SIMILAR TO THE CIP WORKSHOP A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, IF
10:07:40AM IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
10:07:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, GO AHEAD, SIR.
10:07:44AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU.
10:07:45AM IF I CAN HAVE THE PRESENTATION UP PLEASE.
10:07:47AM THANK YOU.
10:07:48AM AND AGAIN, A QUICK REFRESH OF SOME OF THE SLIDES AND
10:07:54AM DISCUSSIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUDGET PRESENTATION BACK IN
10:07:58AM JULY.
10:07:58AM TWO VERY IMPORTANT DRIVERS THAT -- THAT WE JUST TALKED A
10:08:03AM LITTLE BIT ABOUT AND WILL DISCUSS LATER ON IN THE DAY, THE
10:08:06AM POLICE AND FIRE EXPENSES OF JUST UNDER $390 MILLION.
10:08:09AM ON THE LEFT.
10:08:13AM WE LIKE TO EMPHASIZE IT BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY, VERY
10:08:16AM IMPORTANT SERVICES AND THEY ARE VERY, VERY LARGE PORTIONS OF
10:08:20AM THE GENERAL FUND ANOTHER LARGE PORTION OF THE GENERAL FUND
10:08:24AM ON THE RIGHT IS HOW WE FUND THESE SERVICES, AND THESE ARE
10:08:28AM THE TOTAL TAXES WE ANTICIPATE FOR FISCAL YEAR '25.
10:08:33AM 354 PLUS -- SORRY, MA'AM, QUESTION?
10:08:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK ASKED ME IF HE
10:08:41AM SHOULD HAVE FIVE MINUTES AS WELL TO DO HIS PRESENTATION FOR
10:08:43AM THE WORKSHOP.
10:08:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK: IF WE ARE GOING TO FOLLOW THE FIVE MINUTES
10:08:48AM ONLY.
10:08:48AM I WANT TO EXTEND HIS TIME FOR WHATEVER HE NEEDS.
10:08:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
10:08:59AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
10:09:01AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
10:09:06AM JUST AS A GENERAL RULE, HISTORICALLY, CUSTOMARILY, COUNCIL'S
10:09:10AM WORKSHOPS HAVE NOT BEEN AS FORMAL AS THE RULES AS THEY THEY
10:09:15AM APPLY TO A REGULAR MEETING BUT CERTAINLY YOU CAN INQUIRE AS
10:09:20AM TO HOW MUCH TIME A STAFF NEEDS FOR ITS PRESENTATION AND THEN
10:09:24AM ADJUST THE TIME IF THEY NEED ACCORDINGLY.
10:09:29AM AND IF COUNCIL'S RULES WISH TO BE STRICTLY FOLLOWED, IT WILL
10:09:34AM BE INCUMBENT UPON THE CHAIR TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT BY POINTS
10:09:38AM OF ORDER.
10:09:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS IT WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT HE
10:09:41AM DIDN'T HAVE TO STOP HALFWAY THROUGH HIS PRESENTATION.
10:09:44AM BECAUSE IF WE ARE GOING TO MAKE THAT, THEN --
10:09:47AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: FOR PURPOSES OF TIME PLANNING, YOU MAY WANT
10:09:50AM TO INQUIRE EVEN IN ADVANCE, MR. CHAIRMAN, EVEN IN ADVANCE TO
10:09:54AM KNOW HOW LONG A PRESENTATION WOULD RUN.
10:09:55AM IF YOU WISH TO INQUIRE ABOUT HOW LONG THE PRESENTATION IS
10:09:59AM JUST FOR GENERAL PLANNING PURPOSES, TIME MANAGEMENT, THEN
10:10:02AM UNININQUIRE, IF YOU WISH.
10:10:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. AREOGEROR, I HAVE A QUESTION.
10:10:09AM HOW LONG WILL YOU NEED FOR THIS PRESENTATION?
10:10:13AM >> ABOUT FIVE MINUTES.
10:10:14AM HA HALF A DOZEN SLIDES.
10:10:15AM I THOUGHT THAT THE WORKSHOP WOULD BE A CONVERSATION AND
10:10:19AM DIALOGUE WITH CITY COUNCIL.
10:10:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, GO AHEAD.
10:10:24AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
10:10:27AM WE HIGHLIGHT THIS -- IT IS ANECDOTAL AGAIN, BUT TALKING TO
10:10:31AM MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AND AS MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY I
10:10:33AM TYPICALLY ASSOCIATE PROPERTY TAXES IF ONING GOVERNMENT.
10:10:41AM AS WE KNOW AND THE PUBLIC KNOWS MUCH MORE TO IT THAN THAT.
10:10:46AM TO THE RIGHT, WE HAVE TO TRANSFER OVER TO THE COMMUNITY
10:10:49AM DEVELOPMENT AGENCIES JUST A LITTLE OVER $300 MILLION.
10:10:53AM AND OBVIOUSLY INSUFFICIENT TO FUND POLICE AND FIRE BY
10:10:57AM THEMSELVES.
10:10:57AM AND WE HAVE OTHER REVENUES THAT WE BRING -- BRING TO BEAR TO
10:11:02AM FUND POLICE AND FIRE, PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE OTHER GENERAL
10:11:05AM FUND AGENCIES.
10:11:06AM AGAIN, AN EMPHASIS ON OUR FUND BALANCE, SPECIFICALLY OUR
10:11:13AM UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE.
10:11:14AM AGAIN, WE ALWAYS APPRECIATE COUNCIL'S VERY STRONG SUPPORT OF
10:11:18AM THESE LEVELS.
10:11:21AM AND AS WE MENTIONED AND CONTINUE TO MENTION, A VERY
10:11:25AM IMPORTANT METRIC WHEN IT COMES TO CREDIT RATING AGENCIES AND
10:11:28AM FINANCIAL HEALTH BENCHMARKS.
10:11:31AM AS ALWAYS TO MAINTAIN THE SAME PROPORTION THAT 23%, 24%
10:11:36AM IT IS NECESSARY -- SORRY, I LOST IT -- DID YOU ALL LOSE IT?
10:11:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE IT IS.
10:11:42AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THERE IT IS.
10:11:43AM INCREASE IT OVER TIME AS THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET INCREASES
10:11:47AM OVER TIME.
10:11:47AM WE PLAN FOR THIS.
10:11:48AM AND YOU SEE WE ANTICIPATE IT IS STILL GOING TO BE 23%, WELL
10:11:52AM OVER OUR 20% POLICY AS ALWAYS.
10:11:55AM AND AS YOU SEE HAS BEEN THE HISTORY.
10:11:57AM IT IS APPROXIMATELY $19 MILLION OVER OUR 20% POLICY.
10:12:04AM AS I SAID BEFORE AND HAPPY TO SAY AGAIN, THIS PAINTS A VERY
10:12:12AM FINANCIALLY NICE AND STABLE PICTURE.
10:12:14AM I BELIEVE I COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER, IF I AM
10:12:16AM NOT MISTAKEN, TO FURTHER DISCUSS FUND BALANCE PROJECTIONS
10:12:20AM AND ACTUALS.
10:12:21AM IN A FEW MONTHS, WE WILL BE DISCUSSING THIS IN A MUCH MORE
10:12:25AM DETAIL.
10:12:25AM COUNCIL WILL RECALL THIS SLIDE FROM THE BUDGET PRESENTATION
10:12:31AM LAST MONTH WHERE WE BREAK THE GENERAL FUND REVENUES DOWN,
10:12:34AM HIGHLIGHTING THE MAJORITIES.
10:12:35AM AGAIN, PROPERTY TAXES, $20 MILLION.
10:12:39AM NOT INSIGNIFICANT, BUT SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN WE
10:12:46AM INDIVIDUALLY PRESENTED AND WE TALKED OF THE INCREASE BEING
10:12:50AM SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN OTHERS FOR OTHER LOCALITIES.
10:12:53AM I BELIEVE I TALKED TODAY OTHER AND MISCELLANEOUS REVENUES,
10:12:59AM BUT WE HAVE BEEN ASKED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DETAIL AND
10:13:02AM BREAKDOWN AND YOU SEE THAT PROVIDED HERE ON THIS SLIDE.
10:13:05AM AGAIN PROPERTY TAXES AT THE TOP.
10:13:09AM I WOULD HIGHLIGHT THE TRANSFER FROM THE UTILITY TAXES
10:13:12AM SERVICE FUND AT $14.7 MILLION.
10:13:15AM WITHOUT GETTING TOO WONKEST WE ARE A BY THE IDIOSYNCRATIC IN
10:13:24AM THE CITY OF TAMPA, WE TREAT THE TAX FUND AND THE GENERAL
10:13:27AM FUND AND ESSENTIALLY ONE LARGE GENERAL FUND, SO YOU HAVE A
10:13:31AM INTRAFUND TRANSFER OF NEARLY $15 MILLION.
10:13:34AM AS WE TAKE THAT FUNDING AND INCORPORATE IT INTO THE GENERAL
10:13:40AM FUND.
10:13:40AM WE HAVE DONE THAT FOR DECADES.
10:13:42AM WE ARE A LITTLE UNIQUE IN THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A GENERAL
10:13:45AM FUND MADE UP OF ESSENTIALLY FROM A REAL-LIFE, REAL-WORLD
10:13:49AM PERSPECTIVE OF TWO FUNDS.
10:13:50AM THIS WILL BE LIKE -- LIKE TO JUST PERHAPS SOCIALIZE CHANGING
10:13:55AM THAT IN THE FUTURE.
10:13:55AM WE HAVE ATTEMPTED TO DO SO IN THE PAST WITHOUT SUCCESS.
10:13:58AM IT LEADS TO A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION WHEN WE ARE TRYING TO
10:14:04AM EXPLAIN.
10:14:04AM EVEN WITHIN THE CITY AND THE PUBLIC HOW WE HAVE TO MOVE
10:14:07AM FUNDING BACK AND FORTH.
10:14:09AM AND IF YOU MOVE $1 MILLION AND RECOGNIZE IT IN ONE FUND AND
10:14:12AM MO OF IT TO ANOTHER FUND, ALL OF A SUDDEN IT WILL BE $2
10:14:18AM MILLION.
10:14:18AM I WILL GET OFF MY SOAPBOX NOW.
10:14:21AM MOST OF THE OTHER REVENUES ARE PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY,
10:14:27AM FRANCHISE FEES AND THE CIRCUMSTANCES STANCES LEADING TO
10:14:31AM THOSE INCREASES.
10:14:33AM GOING DOWN THE LIST AND COME BACK TO IT.
10:14:37AM GO DOWN TO THE BOTTOM, THE USE OF THE ASSIGNED RESERVES.
10:14:41AM AS COUNCIL KNOWS, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ASSIGNED RESERVES FOR
10:14:45AM DIFFERENT PURPOSES.
10:14:46AM CLAIMS AND JUDGMENTS, FOR EXAMPLE.
10:14:48AM WE HAVE ASSIGNED RESERVE FOR OUR HURRICANE FUND.
10:14:52AM WE HAVE AN ASSIGNED RESERVE FOR HEALTH CARE.
10:14:54AM THE PURPOSE OF THOSE ASSIGNED RESERVES ARE TO, OF COURSE,
10:14:58AM BUTTRESS US AGAINST UNFORESEEN EVENTS.
10:15:03AM RECENT EXAMPLE IS THE DUBAI SETTLEMENT.
10:15:08AM $9 MILLION AND WE OWN MR. DUBOIS $5 MILLION IN THE NEXT TWO
10:15:14AM YEARS.
10:15:14AM AGAIN, THE PRIMARY PURPOSE IS TO BUTTRESS NOT ONLY OUR
10:15:19AM FINANCES FOR BLACK SWAN EVENTS, ETC.
10:15:21AM BUT TO KEEP THAT UNASSIGNED BALANCE, THAT MAGIC 23% SAFE.
10:15:27AM AND YOU SEE OUR NECESSARY USE OF IT AGAIN IN THE CURRENT
10:15:31AM FISCAL YEAR.
10:15:32AM TOTALS $57.4 MILLION OF THE PREVIOUS SLIDE DURING THE BUDGET
10:15:49AM PRESENTATION, WE PROVIDED COUNCIL A VERY HIGH LEVEL REVIEW
10:15:52AM OF EXPENSES -- I SKIPPED AHEAD OF THE SLIDE THERE, THE $57.4
10:15:57AM MILLION.
10:15:57AM SINCE THAT TIME, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAS ASKED THAT WE HAVE
10:16:04AM DETAIL AVAILABLE FOR THOSE -- THERE IS MY GREEN HIGHLIGHT --
10:16:07AM FOR THOSE BUDGET INCREASES THAT INCREASED COSTS.
10:16:10AM INCREASED LEVEL OF SERVICES AND NEW SERVICES FAR TOO MANY
10:16:17AM LINE ITEMS FOR A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, SO WE PROVIDED
10:16:20AM THAT TO YOU HARD COPY IDENTIFIED BY DEPARTMENTS SO YOU CAN
10:16:22AM EASILY, I THINK, IDENTIFY WHICH DEPARTMENTS HAVE WHICH
10:16:25AM INCREASES FOR WHICH PURPOSES.
10:16:27AM I ANTICIPATE WE WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT.
10:16:33AM OUR CITY-WIDE POSITION SUMMARY.
10:16:36AM AGAIN, WE COMPARE FAVORABLY AS WE HAVE FOR YEARS TO THE
10:16:44AM POSITION COMPLEMENT BEFORE THE GREAT FINANCIAL CRISIS.
10:16:48AM JUST UNDER 550.
10:16:50AM $495,000 FOR 2025.
10:16:54AM AND WE ARE REQUESTING SIX ADDITIONAL POSITIONS IN THE FISCAL
10:16:57AM YEAR '25 BUDGET.
10:16:59AM AND THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
10:17:05AM AND THEN TO REMIND THE PUBLIC OF OUR SCHEDULED CONTINUING
10:17:10AM MEETINGS FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 BUDGET.
10:17:15AM TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS ONE ON SEPTEMBER 3.
10:17:18AM FINAL ONE ON SEPTEMBER 17.
10:17:19AM THANK YOU, AGAIN.
10:17:22AM AS ALWAYS, APPRECIATE THE ADDITIONAL ATTENTION NOT ONLY TO
10:17:25AM OUR PROCESS BUT TO OUR BUDGET AND WHAT IS CONTAINED WITHIN.
10:17:29AM AND WE ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS
10:17:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FIVE MINUTES ON THE FIRST ROUND, THREE
10:17:34AM MINUTES ON THE SECOND ROUND.
10:17:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DON'T -- THIS
10:17:38AM IS A BUDGET WORKSHOP.
10:17:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE WILL LOSE A COUNCILMEMBER AT 11:00.
10:17:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WOULD LIKE TO LET EVERY COUNCILMEMBER THAT
10:17:49AM WANTS TO GO AT 11:00 TO GO FIRST.
10:17:51AM BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO SAY -- I WOULD LIKE THEN -- MR.
10:17:58AM MIRANDA NEEDS TO BE FIRST.
10:18:01AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVE SOMEWHERE TO GO BUT I WILL BE
10:18:04AM RIGHT BACK.
10:18:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHO WANTS TO START ON THE CONVERSATION.
10:18:07AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU FOR RESPONDING TO ALL OF MY
10:18:09AM QUESTIONS EARLIER.
10:18:10AM I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS EXCEPT THAT WHEN THE
10:18:14AM REDUCTION OF THE STAFF, THE 53 FOLKS HOW DO WE KNOW WHERE
10:18:22AM THAT CAME FROM, THE INTERNAL DECISION BY HR.
10:18:26AM >>THE BULK HAPPENED AS PART OF THE GREAT RECESSION IN 2009
10:18:31AM AND 2010.
10:18:32AM THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE COMPARE IT, BECAUSE THAT WAS
10:18:35AM REALLY THE HEIGHT OF OUR POSITION COMPLEMENT.
10:18:39AM AS PART OF THAT GREAT RECESSION AND GREAT FINANCIAL CRISIS,
10:18:43AM THE REVENUE, ESPECIALLY THE GENERAL FUND REVENUES WERE
10:18:49AM SUBSTANTIALLY LESS.
10:18:50AM AS MEMORY SERVES 600 TO 700 POSITIONS OVER THE COURSE OF
10:18:55AM THOSE TWO YEARS.
10:18:55AM SO IT IS -- I GUESS IT HAS BEEN DYNAMIC FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
10:19:00AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: CHIEF, YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ON THAT?
10:19:03AM >>JOHN BENNETT: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN.
10:19:06AM JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
10:19:10AM GOOD MORNING.
10:19:12AM I WANT TO COMMENT ON THE VACANCIES OVER 180 DAYS.
10:19:15AM LAST FISCAL YEAR THE BUDGET OFFICE -- ALL OF STAFF
10:19:19AM SCRUTINIZED THOSE POSITION SO AS SEE IF THEY NEED JOB
10:19:24AM DESCRIPTION CHANGES AND DOWN TO 21 POSITIONS AS SNAPSHOT OF
10:19:27AM THAT POINT.
10:19:28AM OF 21, 17 ARE IN THE QUEUE FOR JOB DESCRIPTION CHANGES AND
10:19:32AM BEING FILLED WHICH IS 81% OF THOSE POSITIONS THAT ARE OVER
10:19:35AM 180 DAYS.
10:19:36AM SO WE ARE BREAKING THESE POSITIONS DOWN.
10:19:38AM AND, OF COURSE, THE MAYOR'S FIRST THING TO ALL OF US, BEFORE
10:19:42AM WE CREATE NEW, WE NEED TO REPURPOSE OTHER ONES THAT ARE
10:19:45AM VACANT THROUGH ATTRITION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
10:19:47AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY.
10:19:48AM BECAUSE I NOTICED THAT THE EOC -- THE EO OFFICE GAINED TWO
10:19:54AM PEOPLE IN THE FY '24 FISCAL YEAR.
10:19:58AM LOOKED LIKE IT WAS INCREASED BUT JUST THE ADD ON OF STAFF
10:20:03AM THAT EXIST -- THAT -- I NOTICED THAT THERE WAS AN INCREASE
10:20:07AM FOR '25, BUT IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE HIRING THAT WE DID THIS
10:20:11AM YEAR.
10:20:11AM SO THAT DEPARTMENT HAS GROWN.
10:20:13AM >>JOHN BENNETT: I HAVE TO FOLLOW THE CALCULUS ON THAT A
10:20:21AM LITTLE BIT.
10:20:21AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY.
10:20:22AM >>JOHN BENNETT: OBVIOUSLY NET GROSS AND DECREASE.
10:20:26AM DEPARTMENT-WIDE COULD BE DIFFERENT NUMBERS AND I WILL HAVE
10:20:29AM TO LOOK AT THE SPECIFIC BUDGET.
10:20:31AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: LOOKED LIKE WE GOT THE ANALYST I WAS
10:20:34AM ASKING FOR LAST YEAR.
10:20:35AM AND TRYING TO CIRCLE BACK.
10:20:37AM >>JOHN BENNETT: WE WILL GET YOU OFFLINE ON THAT.
10:20:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
10:20:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WAS CURIOUS, THE POSITION RESIDUESED
10:20:46AM QUESTION.
10:20:46AM IF YOU GOT IT ANSWERED.
10:20:48AM ARE YOU SAYING THOSE ARE FROM 2007?
10:20:51AM YEAH, I THINK IT IS JUST CONFUSING.
10:20:53AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I AM SORRY.
10:20:54AM NOT MY INTENTION TO CONFUSE.
10:20:56AM THAT IS A SLIDE WE INCORPORATE EVERY YEAR AS WE MEASURE
10:20:59AM OURSELVES WHEN WE HAD THE MOST EMPLOYEES WE EVER HAD.
10:21:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 2007, IT WAS 750 LAYOFFS?
10:21:07AM REDUCTION OF POSITIONS?
10:21:10AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: 600 OR 700. SOME TIME -- HUNDREDS AND
10:21:13AM HUNDREDS.
10:21:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE ARE GOING BACK TO PREDATE RECESSION
10:21:17AM NUMBERS.
10:21:18AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, SLOWLY BUILDING OVER TIME.
10:21:20AM I HAVE THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, MA'AM, THE EVO OFFICE
10:21:25AM INCREASED TWO IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR.
10:21:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:21:29AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:21:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO GO TO THE CHARGES FOR SERVICE.
10:21:34AM I THINK THAT IS PAGE 5.
10:21:38AM AND THAT -- BY "CHARGES FOR SERVICE" YOU MEAN FEE, RIGHT,
10:21:44AM ISN'T THAT A NICE WAY TO SAY "FEES?"
10:21:48AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THEM IN.
10:21:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANTED AN UPDATE ON OUR FEE STUDY AND
10:21:52AM HOW WE ARE DOING ON THE FEES.
10:21:54AM I KNOW IT IS NOT SIMPLE BECAUSE THERE ARE TONS OF FEES.
10:21:57AM I WOULD LIKE THIS AS YOUR MOMENT TO TALK ABOUT HOW THAT IS
10:22:00AM GOING AND WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT.
10:22:02AM AND, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT IS GOING TO INCREASE YEAR-OVER-YEAR.
10:22:07AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM, THANK YOU.
10:22:10AM $375 MILLION IS CONVENTION CENTER, PARKS AND RECREATION,
10:22:13AM FIRE AND POLICE.
10:22:14AM FROM A FEE PERSPECTIVE, OF COURSE, WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE
10:22:17AM PAST.
10:22:18AM THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE OPINED ON THE NEED -- IF NOT
10:22:23AM ELSE -- TO MODERNIZE SOME OF OUR FEES.
10:22:27AM WE ARE PROCEEDING, COUNCIL WILL RECALL, WITH CHARGES ON
10:22:31AM CREDIT CARD SERVICES.
10:22:31AM AS WE WORK INTERNALLY FOR THAT, I BELIEVE I SHARED YOU WITH
10:22:35AM AS WE LOOKED AROUND TO OTHER LOCALITIES, SOME DID IT
10:22:39AM EXTERNALLY BY HIRING A THIRD PARTY.
10:22:41AM SOME DID IT INTERNALLY.
10:22:43AM WE CONTINUE TO PURSUE IT INTERNALLY.
10:22:45AM THE ACH FEES WE TALKED ABOUT.
10:22:47AM WE ARE PURSUING THAT IN MY ACCOUNTING SHOP.
10:22:51AM THOSE CONTINUE A PACE.
10:22:52AM AND I NEED TO REMIND MYSELF TO BRING YOU AN UPDATE OF THAT.
10:22:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT WILL BE WONDERFUL, AN UPDATE HOW THAT IS
10:23:01AM GOING.
10:23:01AM ARE YOU SORT OF DOING IT DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT?
10:23:05AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE ARE DOING IT CITYWIDE.
10:23:07AM CITYWIDE.
10:23:08AM IF IT IS A CREDIT CARD CHARGE, OF COURSE, WE LIKE TO
10:23:13AM INCORPORATE THAT CITYWIDE.
10:23:15AM IN THE ACH, WHEREVER THERE IS A POTENTIAL TO CHARGE THAT
10:23:19AM FEE, WE WILL CHARGE IT THERE AND I WILL BRING BACK AN UPDATE
10:23:23AM ON THAT.
10:23:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SORRY, I MEAN THE FEE FOR AVERAGE THINGS.
10:23:26AM I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT INCREASING
10:23:37AM THE FEE TO DO A PD.
10:23:38AM LOW THOSE FEES IN EACH DEPARTMENT THAT THE ADVISORY
10:23:42AM COMMITTEE IS WORKING ON.
10:23:43AM HOW IS THAT GOING.
10:23:44AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I WILL GIVE YOU A 50,000-FOOT LEVEL AND I
10:23:49AM PROBABLY WILL NEED HELP.
10:23:49AM REMIND THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC, MOST -- YOU THE OVERALL
10:23:55AM MAJORITY OF FEES KEPT PACE.
10:23:58AM PARK FEES, TRANSPORTATION FEES.
10:24:00AM I WILL SET ASIDE IMPACT FEES FOR NOW, BUT SOME VERY
10:24:04AM SENSITIVE FEE S THAT WOULD HELP US -- MOST OF OUR REVENUES
10:24:12AM AND FEES ARE UP TO DATE.
10:24:14AM SOME OF THAT WILL HELP US.
10:24:15AM I DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT TRANSPORTATION.
10:24:17AM IF YOU WANT DETAILED DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT, I WILL HAVE
10:24:20AM TO BRING UP THE DEPARTMENT OR PERHAPS MIKE PERRY.
10:24:22AM I KNOW THE EFFORTS ARE CONTINUING, AND JUST TO RECALL AND
10:24:27AM REMIND CITY COUNCIL WE DID DO A RETROSPECTIVE LOOK TO SEE
10:24:34AM WHAT WAS AMENABLE AND WHAT WAS ABLE TO BE INCREASED.
10:24:38AM WE HAVE INCREASED.
10:24:39AM AND, AGAIN, I WILL REFERENCE THE TRANSPORTATION FEES THAT
10:24:43AM HAVEN'T BEEN UPDATED IN DECADES.
10:24:45AM IF YOU WANT MORE SPECIFICS THAN THAT, I WILL HAVE TO DEFER.
10:24:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL WORK WITH YOU OFFLINE.
10:24:52AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I APOLOGIZE.
10:24:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK: DON'T APOLOGIZE.
10:24:54AM WE WILL WORK ON A TIME THAT YOU CAN COME AND UPDATE US.
10:24:58AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU.
10:24:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:25:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS AND I DIDN'T KNOW
10:25:05AM --
10:25:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU TURNED OFF YOUR MIC.
10:25:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, SORRY.
10:25:09AM NOW I KIND OF WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOUSING A BIT.
10:25:12AM I WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK FOR THE PUBLIC AND MAKE SURE WE
10:25:16AM HAVE THE SAME $10.7 MILLION IN THE BUDGET WE HAD FOR HOUSING
10:25:19AM LAST -- THE SAME AS WE DID LAST YEAR.
10:25:22AM AND THAT IS FOR BOTH R-MAP, HOMEOWNER OCCUPIED REHAB,
10:25:28AM DOWNPAYMENT ASSISTANCE AND HOMELESS SERVICES.
10:25:30AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM.
10:25:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND I WANT TO MAKE
10:25:33AM SURE THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THAT WE HAVE THE SAME
10:25:36AM AMOUNT AND THOSE GO TO PROGRAMS THAT THIS COUNCIL SUPPORTS
10:25:40AM WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
10:25:41AM THIS -- WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE CLT, THE $5 MILLION
10:25:48AM FOR THE CLT TO HELP START THAT.
10:25:50AM IS THAT IN THE PARTICULAR ACCOUNT SOMEWHERE?
10:25:54AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IF HE CAN TURN TO THE ELMO REAL QUICK --
10:25:57AM AND LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU CAN SEE IT.
10:25:59AM PLEASE.
10:26:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COMING UP ON OUR SCREEN.
10:26:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OUR SCREEN.
10:26:08AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: AGAIN, LET ME JUST SET THE TABLE, IF WE
10:26:12AM COULD, THE PROPERTY PROGRAM ACQUISITION IS PART OF OUR
10:26:15AM ANTICIPATED DEBT PROGRAM.
10:26:16AM WE HAVE $11 MILLION, I THINK, FOR TWO SITES.
10:26:19AM WE HAVE TALKED ANOTHER SITE THAT IS NOT ON HERE YET.
10:26:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE NEED IT ON OUR SCREENS HERE.
10:26:26AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I AM SORRY.
10:26:26AM I THOUGHT YOU HAD IT.
10:26:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, WE CAN'T -- THERE WE GO.
10:26:31AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: HOUSING PROGRAM, PROPERTY ACQUISITION, $11
10:26:34AM MILLION.
10:26:35AM WE ANTICIPATE AS PART OF THAT BOND IN THE CURRENT FISCAL
10:26:39AM YEAR.
10:26:39AM THOSE ARE FOR TWO SITES.
10:26:40AM I UNDERSTAND A THIRD SITE MAY BE IN PLAY, AND IF THAT -- IF
10:26:46AM THAT COMES TO FRUITION, OUR INTENTION IS TO ADD THAT TO THIS
10:26:50AM BOND.
10:26:51AM THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST IS NOT IN THERE RIGHT NOW, BUT,
10:26:57AM AGAIN, WHEN IT COMES TO FRUITION, WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY
10:27:02AM WITH OUR DEBT PROGRAM.
10:27:04AM IF I CAN -- IF I CAN RECAP.
10:27:07AM YOU RECALL, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT UP TO $50 MILLION FOR THE
10:27:11AM CURRENT FISCAL YEAR -- FISCAL YEAR 2024.
10:27:15AM THAT WAS TIED TO THE MILLAGE INCREASE THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
10:27:18AM SO IN ORDER TO FUND TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF HOUSING,
10:27:23AM WE INTEND TO, AS YOU SEE HERE WITH THE $11 MILLION, ROLL IT
10:27:27AM INTO THE BOND.
10:27:28AM SO WE CAN BE VERY FLEXIBLE -- FLEXIBLE, I GUESS, IS THE
10:27:33AM UPSHOT, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE WANT TO BOND.
10:27:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO I GUESS THAT IS MY CONFUSION, BECAUSE I
10:27:41AM THOUGHT THAT THE $5 MILLION WAS FOR OPERATING FOR IT TO
10:27:47AM STAND UP TO THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST AND GET THAT STARTED.
10:27:49AM IF MY -- IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WE WERE THREE QUARTERS OF
10:27:53AM A WAY TO HAVE THAT COMPLETELY READY TO GO.
10:27:55AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: PERHAPS MY MISUNDERSTANDING.
10:27:59AM MY UNDERSTANDING FOR PROPERTY ACQUISITION JUST UNDER THE
10:28:03AM COMMUNITY LAND TRUST UMBRELLA AS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT
10:28:08AM PROJECT.
10:28:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK: MAYBE FROM HOUSING.
10:28:10AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: SOMEONE KNOW BETTER THAN I?
10:28:13AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: ASK THE QUESTION MORE.
10:28:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SURE.
10:28:16AM CIT MONEY, THE $5 MILLION WE WERE TALKING OPERATIONS FOR
10:28:20AM THREE YEARS -- $5 MILLION OVER THREE YEARS TO SET UP THE
10:28:23AM COMMUNITY LAND TRUST, SO AT THE END OF THE YEAR, IT COULD BE
10:28:26AM AN INDEPENDENT AGENCY.
10:28:27AM SO I WAS WONDERING WHERE THAT MONEY IS IN THE BUDGET, AND IF
10:28:31AM IT IS NOT THERE, I GUESS, JUST AN UPDATE ON THAT.
10:28:35AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: OKAY, ABBYE FEELEY, INTERIM ADMINISTRATOR,
10:28:39AM DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
10:28:40AM THE PLAN FOR THE CLT WHEN ALIS AND NICOLE DEPARTED IS STILL
10:28:47AM THERE.
10:28:47AM WE ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO SET THAT CLT UP AS OF YET.
10:28:52AM IN RELATION TO THOSE MONIES, WE JUST HAD A MEETING WITH MR.
10:28:58AM PERRY AND SOME OF OUR BOND RATING AND OTHER INDIVIDUALS TO
10:29:03AM TALK THROUGH THAT $50 MILLION.
10:29:05AM WHAT THAT WAS.
10:29:06AM THIS TERMS OF -- THERE WERE -- THERE WERE THREE EFFORTS
10:29:10AM UNDER THAT $50 MILLION.
10:29:11AM THERE WAS AN ACQUISITION EFFORT.
10:29:13AM REMEMBER, WE TALKED ABOUT HOW DO WE GET IN THE GAME AND BE A
10:29:17AM MEMBER AND TRYING TO ACQUIRE PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BE RIGHT
10:29:21AM FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES.
10:29:24AM THERE WAS ALSO A PRESERVATION ELEMENT TO THAT.
10:29:29AM HOW DO WE WORK WITH EXISTING PROPERTIES.
10:29:31AM MAYBE THE HOTELS ALONG HILLSBOROUGH TO LOOK AT HOW WE THEN
10:29:34AM CONVERT THOSE.
10:29:35AM AND THEN THE CLT.
10:29:37AM THAT WAS STILL IN DISCUSSIONS AND WE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS
10:29:43AM AND WHEN WE ARE READY TO DO THAT, BUT WE ARE -- WE ARE NOT
10:29:46AM AT A POSITION AT THIS MOMENT TO MOVE THAT FORWARD.
10:29:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
10:29:54AM SO WE ARE LOOKING FOR THAT IN THE FUTURE IN ADDITION --
10:29:58AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I AM SORRY, MA'AM.
10:29:59AM IF WE CAN CLARIFY.
10:30:00AM IT SEEMS THAT IS A CAPITAL EXPENSE AND LIKELY BOND --
10:30:05AM BONDABLE.
10:30:05AM BONDING WILL BE THE LIKELY FUNDING SOURCE.
10:30:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO WE ARE LOOKING TO BOND THAT.
10:30:09AM SO THE -- IN TERMS MUCH THE THIRD DEVELOPMENT, THERE IS --
10:30:21AM THERE IS AN AFFORDABILITY HOUSING PROGRAM GOING ON IN YBOR
10:30:25AM -- ART SPACE THAT NEEDS HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO GET GOING.
10:30:28AM THAT THE THIRD PROJECT THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT?
10:30:41AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: NO, IT IS NOT -- IT WAS NOT.
10:30:45AM WE ARE LOOKING TO MAKE A LARGE ACQUISITION OF A COUPLE OF
10:30:48AM ACRES IN EAST TAMPA.
10:30:49AM B BUT, AGAIN, BEING ABLE TO BE HAVE THOSE UNRESTRICTED FUNDS
10:30:53AM GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO PURSUE THOSE TYPES OF
10:30:59AM OPPORTUNITIES WITHOUT NECESSARILY HAVING AT THAT COME AND
10:31:04AM GET APPROVAL FOR THAT AT FIRST.
10:31:07AM WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU WITH THE AGREEMENT AND EVERYTHING
10:31:11AM ELSE AND COME BACK TO THE TABLE AND HAVE THAT ADVANTAGE LIKE
10:31:14AM ANY OTHER PRIVATE PROPERTY PERSON.
10:31:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM LOOKING TO REDEFINE THAT ART SPACE, 40
10:31:31AM TO 80% AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN PERPETUITY.
10:31:36AM THAT WILL BE A VERY CHEAP INVESTMENT BY US, THAT IS
10:31:41AM SOMETHING I AM DEFINITELY LOOKING FOR, THANK YOU.
10:31:43AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IF I CAN JUST ADD -- WHOOPS.
10:31:48AM I GOT IT.
10:31:49AM I APOLOGIZE FOR THE MYSTERY.
10:31:51AM I AM JUST NOT SURE WHAT I CAN SHARE PUBLICLY.
10:31:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I GREATLY UNDERSTAND THAT.
10:31:56AM I WANT TO CLARIFY IF THAT IS NOT A PROJECT, THEN THAT IS A
10:31:59AM PROJECT WE NEED TO FUND THIS YEAR.
10:32:01AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: AND I -- IF I CAN POSTSCRIPT THAT ALSO.
10:32:05AM YOU SEE THE $11 MILLION HERE.
10:32:07AM I WANT TO REITERATE WE CAN BE FLEXIBLE TO MOVE IF AN
10:32:12AM OPPORTUNITY PRESENTS ITSELF.
10:32:14AM WE HAVE PROVEN WE CAN DO THAT IN THE PAST AND I CAN FEEL
10:32:20AM BUDGET OFFICER BURROWING INTO ME WITH HIS EYES.
10:32:24AM WE WON'T BOND ANYTHING WE DON'T HAVE TO BOND, BUT WE HAVE TO
10:32:28AM HAVE A PLAN.
10:32:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
10:32:30AM OTHER QUESTION I WANT TO ASK.
10:32:31AM TPD -- SINCE NO ONE HERE FROM FROM TPD, MAYBE CHIEF BENNETT
10:32:37AM CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION.
10:32:38AM WE HAD SOME SUCCESS WITH BEHAVIORAL HEALTH PROGRAM.
10:32:41AM WE HAD THEM TOMORROW FORWARD AND GIVE AN UPDATE ON WHAT THEY
10:32:48AM ARE DOING.
10:32:48AM I WAS HOPING TO SEE MORE FUNDING IN THAT PROGRAM THIS YEAR.
10:32:51AM CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE GOING ABLE TO EXPAND
10:32:54AM THAT PROGRAM THIS YEAR?
10:32:56AM >>JOHN BENNETT: THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION, AND, OF COURSE, A
10:32:58AM GREAT PROGRAM.
10:32:59AM I KNOW FROM TALKING ITERATIVELY WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
10:33:02AM AND THEIR RESEARCH ON THE MODELS THAT ARE IN ST. PETE.
10:33:07AM YOU MAY HAVE SEEN A RECENT MEMO ON ONE OF THE MOTIONS THAT
10:33:10AM KIND OF EXPANDED TO THAN.
10:33:11AM I PERSONALLY WENT TO THE 911 CENTER AND SAT IN WHEN THEY
10:33:16AM WERE HANDLING THOSE CALLS OFF THE GRANT, WHICH IS REALLY
10:33:19AM BECOMING A MORE PROACTIVE WAY TO ANSWER THIS.
10:33:22AM TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SPECIFICALLY, I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY
10:33:26AM FUNDING WE HAVE TOICS AND IT RIGHT NOW, BUT I -- WE HAVE TO
10:33:31AM EXPAND IT RIGHT NOW, AND I KNOW THE CHIEF'S INTEREST OF THE
10:33:35AM PRACTICE WE HAVE NOW INSTITUTIONALIZED AND LOOKING FOR
10:33:40AM FUNDING WHEN THE GRANT SUBSIDES IN THE 911 CENTER AND
10:33:43AM BUILDING UP THE FIELD STAFF.
10:33:45AM I KNOW CHIEF BERCAW HAS A NUMBER WE NEED TO DO THE EXACT
10:33:48AM THING THAT IS GOING ON IN ST. PETE.
10:33:50AM AND, OF COURSE, BECAUSE OF OUR SIZE AND SCALE, IT WILL BE A
10:33:53AM LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT ST. PETE IS SPENDING.
10:33:56AM I SAT IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM WHEN ST. PETE CAME OVER AND
10:34:00AM PRESENTED THEIR MODEL TO EXTRAPOLATE OUR COSTS.
10:34:04AM THE ANSWER IS, I DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING TO EXPAND IT NOW AND
10:34:07AM GOOD INTENTIONS TO DO SO.
10:34:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK: GREAT.
10:34:09AM I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH THE CHIEF ON THAT.
10:34:11AM AND THAT -- AND I'LL BE DONE FOR NOW, THANK YOU.
10:34:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:34:18AM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST -- JUST SOME GENERAL COMMENTS.
10:34:27AM THE PRIORITIES I AM HEARING FROM CONSTITUENTS ARE ROADS,
10:34:34AM PARKS, AND PUBLIC SAFETY, TPD AND FIRE.
10:34:38AM OVER THE LAST -- AFFORDABLE HOUSING CONTINUES TO BE A HUGE
10:34:45AM ISSUE.
10:34:45AM WE PUT IN THROUGH THE CRA WE PUT A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO
10:34:50AM AFFORDABLE HOUSING OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
10:34:52AM WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE MEANTIME, WE NEED TO LOOK AT SOME
10:34:58AM OF THE OTHER AREAS AS WELL.
10:34:59AM THE THING ABOUT THE BUDGET IS ALWAYS A BALANCE.
10:35:01AM I REPRESENT SOUTH TAMPA I HAVE BEEN A STRONG ADVOCATE FOR
10:35:07AM SPENDING MONEY IN THE CITY.
10:35:08AM AND THERE NEEDED TO BE SOME EQUITY BECAUSE BEFORE I GOT ON
10:35:14AM COUNCIL ANYWAY, TOO MUCH MONEY WAS SPENT DOWNTOWN AND THE
10:35:17AM REVS OF THE CITY WAS IGNORED.
10:35:19AM AND -- AND THERE IS -- THE FEELING AND THOUGHT THAT THE
10:35:22AM ROADS IN SOUTH TAMPA ARE PERFECT.
10:35:24AM THAT THE PARKS IN SOUTH INTEREST PERFECT AND THE TRUTH IS
10:35:28AM THE OPPOSITE.
10:35:29AM SOME OF THE WORST ROADS IN THE CITY WERE IN SOUTH TAMPA.
10:35:31AM SOME OF THE WORST PARKS IN THE CITY IS IN SOUTH TAMPA.
10:35:34AM THE REASON -- FIRST, EVERYTHING WAS SPENT DOWNTOWN AND
10:35:37AM EVERYTHING SPENT IN PARTS OF THE CITY.
10:35:39AM AND WE NEED TO -- WE NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT SOUTH TAMPA
10:35:43AM AND NOT FORGET THEM AND PRETEND EVERYTHING IS FINE
10:35:48AM THERE IS -- THERE AREN'T HOARDS OF PEOPLE COMING IN
10:35:52AM COMPLAINING ABOUT IT YESTERDAY, BUT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE IT
10:35:54AM SOON IF WE DON'T -- IF WE DON'T START DOING SOMETHING.
10:35:57AM THE ROADS ARE ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE IN SOUTH TAMPA.
10:36:02AM AND THEY ARE SOME OF THE WORST I HAVE EVER SEEN EVERYWHERE
10:36:05AM ON THE ROADS.
10:36:06AM WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO THE TO FIX THEM.
10:36:07AM WE GOT TO INCREASE THE ROAD PROJECT, THE ROAD REPAIR BUDGET.
10:36:12AM THE PARKS OFTEN -- THE PARK -- INTERBAY PARK I MENTIONED ALL
10:36:19AM THE TIME HAS A.D.A. ISSUES.
10:36:22AM THINGS ARE LITERALLY FALLING ON KIDS IN THERE.
10:36:25AM PUT ON THE AGENDA.
10:36:26AM IT HAS GOT TO BE MOVED FORWARD.
10:36:28AM COUNCILMEMBER VIERA HAS BEEN PUSHING FOR ADA ACCESSIBILITY
10:36:33AM IN ALL THE PARKS.
10:36:34AM WE GOT TO MOVE THAT FORWARD CITYWIDE.
10:36:37AM THERE ARE OTHER PARKS THAT ARE FALLING APART AS WELL.
10:36:40AM AND WE GOT TO LOOK AT THOSE AND WE GOT TO -- TO ACCELERATE
10:36:44AM THE AGENDA OF FIXING THINGS.
10:36:46AM WHAT HAPPENED THE LAST FEW YEARS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS NO
10:36:50AM MORE ABOUT DOWNTOWN, IT IS ABOUT WHERE PEOPLE LIVE.
10:36:52AM AND WE SAW LOTS OF MILLIONAIRES AND PROBABLY BILLIONAIRES
10:36:58AM MOVE TO TAMPA DURING COVID.
10:36:59AM AND ANECDOTALLY, MANY ARE MOVING BACK BECAUSE THEY DON'T
10:37:03AM LIKE THE STATE OF THE ROADS.
10:37:04AM AND THEY DON'T LIKE THE STATE OF THE PARKS.
10:37:06AM AND THEY DON'T LIKE THE STATE OF THE SCHOOL TO SOME EXTENT.
10:37:10AM AND PERCEPTIONS OF PUBLIC SAFETY.
10:37:13AM WE HAVE TO FIX THESE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE IS
10:37:19AM HOW PEOPLE LIVE AROUND THEM.
10:37:20AM TPD, WE KNOW THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF FOLKS IN THERE.
10:37:25AM PBA ASKED FOR 200 MORE POLICE OFFICERS.
10:37:28AM WE INCREASE IT SLIGHTLY LAST YEAR.
10:37:30AM AND THE QUESTION THIS YEAR IS -- AND I WILL JUST GO THROUGH
10:37:33AM MY POINTS AND YOU CAN ANSWER IT IF YOU WANT.
10:37:35AM IF WE THINK WE NEED 200 -- IF PDA THINKS WE NEED 200.
10:37:42AM AND PEOPLE ON THE STREETS BELIEVE THAT TOO, HOW ARE WE GOING
10:37:45AM TO GO BETWEEN $100,000 TO $200,000 TO FUND A NEW POLICE
10:37:50AM OFFICER.
10:37:50AM WE ARE LOSING A LOT BECAUSE OF DROP.
10:37:52AM HOW ARE WE GOING TO REPLACE THEM?
10:37:54AM THERE ARE RUMOR THAT AFTER THE YBOR SHOOTING, POLICE
10:37:59AM OFFICERS REASSIGNED FROM HOWARD AND YBOR.
10:38:02AM AND AFTER SHOOTING IN HOWARD AVENUE, REASSIGNED FROM YBOR TO
10:38:06AM HOWARD AVENUE.
10:38:07AM CREATES PROBLEMS IN BOTH AREAS AND EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE
10:38:11AM CITY.
10:38:11AM THE SOLUTION IS, WE NEED MORE POLICE OFFICERS.
10:38:13AM WE NEED MORE FIRE STATIONS AND SAFE EQUIPMENT FOR OUR FIRE
10:38:19AM FIGHTERS.
10:38:19AM THE OTHER QUESTION WE HAVE, WE HAVE PRETTY AGGRESSIVE RAISES
10:38:23AM FOR -- FOR THE UNION FOLKS.
10:38:27AM ALL THREE UNIONS IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.
10:38:29AM BUT THE MID TO SENIOR-LEVEL MAJORS DIDN'T GET ANYTHING.
10:38:36AM THE MAYOR'S SENIOR STAFF GOT SOMETHING.
10:38:38AM PEOPLE WHO WORK HARD HIS OR HER ARE NOT UNIONIZED WHO DON'T
10:38:42AM WORK CLOSELY WITH THE MAYOR.
10:38:43AM YOU HAD A BLANK ON YOUR SHEET A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
10:38:46AM I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO GET.
10:38:49AM WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A NUMBER AT SOME POINT.
10:38:52AM WE HAVE TO HAVE AN EXPECTATION.
10:38:54AM OTHER AND WISE WE WILL HAVE A LOT MORE PEOPLE IN DROP.
10:38:58AM LASTLY, IN LOOKING AT THE STORMWATER BUDGET, IT APPEARS THAT
10:39:05AM SOME POSITIONS THAT ARE FUNDED BY STORMWATER ARE PURE
10:39:09AM MOBILITY POSITION.
10:39:10AM WHAT ARE THE LAWS AND RULES AROUND THE STORMWATER MONEY?
10:39:13AM CAN IT BE USED ON REGULAR MOBILITY LIKE PARKING?
10:39:19AM OR STORMWATER IS ONLY USED ON STORMWATER?
10:39:25AM AND I WILL BE QUIET.
10:39:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. BHIDE, IF YOU WANT TO ANSWER HIS
10:39:29AM QUESTIONS.
10:39:30AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IF YOU GOT IT OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD.
10:39:33AM >>VIK BHIDE: GOOD MORNING, VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY.
10:39:36AM MORNING, CHAIR.
10:39:37AM MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:39:38AM WE HAVE TWO STORMWATER ASSESSMENTS.
10:39:42AM ONE IS FOR IMPROVEMENT, WHICH IS ONLY BE USED FOR CAPITAL
10:39:46AM PROJECTS OR STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT THE OTHER IS A SERVICE
10:39:49AM ASSESSMENT WHICH CAN ONLY BE USED FOR MAINTENANCE OF
10:39:53AM STORMWATER FACILITIES.
10:39:55AM BOTH OF THEM -- THE AREAS ARE DEFINED.
10:40:00AM HE CAN GO GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM LEGAL IF YOU WOULD
10:40:02AM LIKE.
10:40:02AM BUT THE GIST IS, THAT THESE ASSESSMENTS ARE EAR MARKED FOR
10:40:06AM SPECIFIC PURPOSES.
10:40:08AM AND THAT CORRELATE WITH THE STORMWATER SYSTEM.
10:40:11AM NOW AS FAR AS STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS ARE CONCERNED, BECAUSE
10:40:16AM ROADWAYS ALSO CONVEY STORMWATER.
10:40:19AM AND A LOT OF STORMWATER INTO OUR SYSTEMS.
10:40:22AM CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PAVING DOES QUALIFY, BUT IT HAS TO RELATE
10:40:26AM TO A STORMWATER CAPITAL PROJECT.
10:40:28AM SO THAT'S THE GIST.
10:40:32AM >>BILL CARLSON: THE POSITIONS THAT ARE LISTED THERE.
10:40:36AM ARE THEY ALL PURE STORMWATER?
10:40:38AM OR SOME OF THEM PURE MOBILITY?
10:40:40AM BECAUSE SOME OF THEM LOOK LIKE THEY ARE PURE MOBILITY.
10:40:42AM >>VIK BHIDE: MOBILITY IS THE DEPARTMENT.
10:40:45AM STORMWATER IS THE DIVISION WITHIN MOBILITY.
10:40:48AM STORMWATER ENGINEERING.
10:40:50AM AND OPERATIONS, WE HAVE TRANSPORTATION OPERATIONS AND
10:40:53AM STORMWATER OPERATIONS.
10:40:54AM AND THE STORMWATER ASSESSMENT CAN ONLY FUND STORMWATER
10:41:00AM POSITIONS.
10:41:00AM IT CAN NOT FUND TRANSPORTATION POSITIONS.
10:41:04AM BUT THAT IS WITHIN THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
10:41:06AM MOBILITY IS THE UMBRELLA.
10:41:09AM >>BILL CARLSON: WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT OFF-LINE, THANK YOU.
10:41:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT MADE BY
10:41:14AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK OF $500,000 FOR THE -- FOR THE HOUSING
10:41:18AM FOR THE ARTIST, THAT'S CORRECT?
10:41:20AM AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON MENTIONED ABOUT STREET PAVING WHICH I
10:41:24AM AGREE ON BOTH ISSUES.
10:41:26AM WE HAD MENTIONED SEVERAL WEEKS AGO THE SMART CITY PARKING
10:41:29AM GUIDANCE, $12 MILLION THERE AND MOVING THAT MONEY AROUND.
10:41:32AM IS THAT WITHIN A ENTERPRISE FUND THAT WE CAN ONLY SPEND IT
10:41:36AM ON ROAD ITEMS?
10:41:37AM OR CAN WE TAKE HALF A MILLION OF THAT AND PUT IT TOWARD THE
10:41:40AM ARTS AND THE REST TOWARD THE PAVE SOMETHING IN CAN'T SPLIT
10:41:43AM IT UP?
10:41:45AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I WILL REFER TO MR. BHIDE.
10:41:47AM OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT IT IS PART OF THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW.
10:41:50AM THERE WERE COMMENTS OF NOT FUNDING IT AND REALLOCATING THE
10:41:53AM FUNDING TO OTHER PURPOSES.
10:41:55AM SO I WILL BEGIN WITH, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO DECISION HAS BEEN
10:41:59AM MADE BY COUNCIL.
10:42:00AM STICKING A PIN IN THAT.
10:42:02AM YOUR QUESTION IS ABOUT FUNDING IT AT A LESSER EXTENT, SIR.
10:42:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, NO.
10:42:08AM IF THAT MONEY IN IS SPECIFICALLY DEDICATED TO PARKING AND
10:42:12AM TRANSPORTATION.
10:42:12AM GO TO ROAD PAVING AND CAN'T TAKE HALF A MILLION OF THAT AND
10:42:15AM PUT IT TOWARD SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ROAD-RELATED OR
10:42:19AM TRANSPORTATION-RELATED.
10:42:19AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I BELIIEVE IT HAS TO BE TANGENTIALLY
10:42:25AM RELATED.
10:42:25AM MR. BHIDE, DO YOU AGREE.
10:42:28AM >>VIK BHIDE: SURE, PARKING CHARGES AND FEES ARE CONTROLLED
10:42:31AM BY A STATUTE THAT ALLOWS MUNICIPALITIES TO CHARGE FOR
10:42:34AM PARKING.
10:42:34AM THOSE FUNDS CAN BE USED FOR MOBILITY-RELATED PURPOSES
10:42:38AM OUTSIDE OF PARKING.
10:42:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
10:42:40AM NOT THAT HOUSING ISSUE?
10:42:42AM JUST CURIOUS.
10:42:43AM COUNCILMAN VIERA?
10:42:44AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
10:42:46AM A COUPLE OF THINGS.
10:42:48AM ONE THING I DID WANT TO HIGHLIGHT WHEN TALKING OF NUMBERS OF
10:42:52AM CITY EMPLOYEE BEING FROM 2007 TO TODAY.
10:42:55AM I KNOW THIS IS OPEN AND OBVIOUS, BUT I WILL STATE IT, OUR
10:42:59AM CITY OF TAMPA POPULATION BACK IN 2007 WAS 315,000 OR SO,
10:43:03AM MAYBE 320,000.
10:43:05AM MORE OR LESS.
10:43:06AM SO IN OTHER WORDS WHEN WE ARE TALKING OF HAVING THE SAME
10:43:10AM NUMBER OF EMPLOYEE THAT IS LESS SERVICES FOR -- FOR
10:43:14AM INDIVIDUAL, ETC.
10:43:16AM DON'T KNOW WHAT THE POLICE AND FIRE NUMBERS WERE BACK THEN.
10:43:19AM I AM SURE CHIEF BENNETT KNOWS THAT.
10:43:21AM IT MAY BE -- DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS WERE IN
10:43:26AM 2010 FOR TPD?
10:43:29AM >>JOHN BENNETT: TO GO A LITTLE FURTHER -- JOHN BENNETT,
10:43:32AM CHIEF OF STAFF.
10:43:33AM WE CHANGED THE MISSION STATEMENT OF THE BUSINESS PROCESS, A
10:43:37AM LITTLE OVER 1,000 OFFICERS.
10:43:39AM THAT NUMBER HAS GONE DO THE 950s BETWEEN THERE.
10:43:42AM AND 20 YEARS LATER MOSTLY DUE TO EFFICIENCIES, TECHNOLOGY,
10:43:46AM AND DIFFERENT OPERATIONAL BEST PRACTICES THAT HAVE BEEN PUT
10:43:49AM IN PLACE.
10:43:50AM NOW WE ARE FINALLY HITTING THE POINT WITH THE POLICE
10:43:53AM DEPARTMENT THAT WE NEED TO KEEP UP WITH GROWTH OF THE
10:43:55AM POPULATION, BECAUSE I WOULD ARGUE THEY ARE OPTIMIZED.
10:43:58AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:44:00AM I WILL SAY THE SAME ANYTHING WITH TFR.
10:44:04AM I AM WITH THE VIEW -- IT IS OPEN AND OBVIOUS.
10:44:06AM I THINK WE NEED TO HIRE MORE POLICE OFFICERS.
10:44:09AM I WILL TALK ABOUT THAT -- VERY BRIEFLY THE TAX I TRIED TO
10:44:13AM IMPLEMENT THAT LAST YEAR THAT WOULD HAVE GONE TO THAT AND
10:44:16AM OTHER THINGS.
10:44:16AM BUT I DO THINK IT IS SOMETHING TO BE SAID THAT WE ARE
10:44:19AM TALKING ABOUT HAVING THE SAME NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS SERVES
10:44:23AM IN THE CITY OF TAMPA GOVERNMENT AND POPULATION HAS GROWN 25%
10:44:29AM SINCE THEN AND SAYS SOMETHING OF GOVERNMENT SERVICES.
10:44:31AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ONE THING I WANT TO JUMP ON AND SUPPORT
10:44:34AM IS SOUTH TAMPA ROADS AND PARK.
10:44:36AM I LIVE IN NEW TAMPA AND PEOPLE SAY THAT SOUTH TAMPA HAS
10:44:40AM EVERYTHING.
10:44:40AM SOUTH TAMPA HAS EVERYTHING.
10:44:41AM GO TO THE ROADS AND THE PARKS THERE, AND IT IS VERY
10:44:44AM PROBLEMATIC.
10:44:44AM SOME OF THE WORST ROADS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA MAINTAINED ARE
10:44:47AM IN SOUTH TAMPA.
10:44:49AM AND SO THERE IS THAT PERCEPTION THAT BECAUSE BY STEREOTYPE
10:44:55AM AN AFFLUENT AREA THAT THE ROADS ARE GREAT.
10:44:57AM ONE THING IS NO RELATION TO THE OTHER OBVIOUSLY.
10:44:59AM AND LASTLY, I WILL TALK ABOUT THIS LATER WHEN TALK ABOUT --
10:45:04AM WHEN CHIEF TRIPP COMES UP HERE.
10:45:06AM THE TAX -- LAST YEAR THE MAYOR WANTED A 1.0 TAX.
10:45:10AM I HAD MOTION TO STRIP THAT BACK 70% AND HAVE ALL OF THE
10:45:13AM FUNDS GO TO POLICE AND FIRE.
10:45:14AM THAT WOULD HAVE RAISED THIS YEAR ABOUT $14 MILLION OR $15
10:45:18AM MILLION.
10:45:18AM SO THAT IS WHY I DID IT.
10:45:20AM TALKING ABOUT THESE THINGS ARE REALLY, REALLY NECESSARY FOR
10:45:24AM POLICE AND FIRE.
10:45:25AM AND WE CAN EITHER BOND IT -- THAT IS WHAT I MOTIONED TO DO
10:45:30AM WITH FLEET MAINTENANCE AND FIRE STATION 24.
10:45:32AM THAT WILL COST MORE MONEY ON THE LONG RUN, AND DO SOME FORM
10:45:36AM OF -- QUESTIONS ON THE HOUSING.
10:45:42AM I WANT TO MEET WITH PEOPLE MORE ON THAT BEFORE GOING FORWARD
10:45:44AM WITH THAT.
10:45:45AM I HEARD SOME RUMBLINGS ABOUT WHAT THAT IS, AND I WOULD LIKE
10:45:48AM TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THAT BEFORE GOING FORWARD.
10:45:52AM ETC.
10:45:53AM IF IT IS SOMETHING -- HOUSING THAT IS GEARED TOWARD ARTIST.
10:45:57AM AND BY THE WAY.
10:45:57AM I AM NOT GOING TO SPEAK ON IT.
10:45:59AM AND THAT'S ALL.
10:46:00AM I WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT BEFORE VOTING ON IT.
10:46:03AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:46:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:46:08AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SORRY I HAD TO LEAVE AND I WAS IN AND
10:46:13AM OUT.
10:46:13AM LET ME SAY THIS PAST WEEKEND, A LOT OF CALLS FROM SOUTH
10:46:17AM TAMPA.
10:46:18AM A LOT, FIVE OR SIX.
10:46:19AM STREETS WERE FLOODED FOR SOMETHING THAT I NEVER HEARD OF.
10:46:22AM I TEXTED MR. JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF, HE WENT DOWN AND
10:46:26AM TALKED TO MR. BHIDE, AND THESE THINGS ARE PHENOMENAL WHAT
10:46:30AM HAPPENED, BUT WHEN I TELL THAT YOU THE STREETS WERE REALLY
10:46:32AM FLOODED ON A SMALL AMOUNT OF RAIN, THEY WERE REALLY, REALLY
10:46:37AM FLOODED.
10:46:37AM LIKE SIX INCHES TO TEN INCHES.
10:46:39AM SO YESTERDAY, I HAD THE HONOR OF GOING DOWN THERE.
10:46:44AM GOT INVITED TO ANY DAUGHTER'S BIRTHDAY PARTY WHICH I ALWAYS
10:46:47AM DO EVERY YEAR.
10:46:48AM AND SHE SHOWED ME -- I HAVE A VIDEO OF IT SHE HAS ON HER
10:46:51AM PHONE.
10:46:51AM I WILL HAVE HER SEND IT TO US SO WE CAN DISTRIBUTE IT.
10:46:56AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH
10:46:59AM SOMETHING THAT I AM NOT SURE OF, OR THE AMOUNT OF DIFFERENT
10:47:02AM THINGS THAT HAPPEN LIKE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE SEWER
10:47:05AM LINES.
10:47:06AM I DON'T KNOW.
10:47:06AM BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE REST OF THE CITY -- I AM NOT
10:47:10AM ASKING YOU TO BE PREPARED, BUT IF YOU ARE, WELCOME TO COME
10:47:12AM UP.
10:47:13AM AND I WORK WITH MR. CARLSON.
10:47:14AM I WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT IT WAS RIGHT BORDER LINE BETWEEN
10:47:19AM YOURS AND MINE.
10:47:19AM AND IT WAS -- BUT IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE WHOSE BORDER IT IS.
10:47:22AM THERE ARE NO BORDERS WHEN YOU ARE ELECTED.
10:47:25AM I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSE SO QUICKLY AND
10:47:28AM RAPIDLY.
10:47:29AM >>JOHN BENNETT: SURE.
10:47:31AM >>VIK BHIDE: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
10:47:33AM I RECOGNIZES THIS IS AN OPERATING BUDGET WORKSHOP.
10:47:37AM I WILL KEEP THIS BRIEF.
10:47:38AM BUT I DID SHARE CAN COUNCIL SOME PHENOMENA THAT HAS BEEN
10:47:43AM GOING ON FOR A FEW YEARS NOW.
10:47:45AM GIST IS, WHILE ANNUAL RAINFALLS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAVE
10:47:48AM BEEN MORE OR LESS THE SAME, THE RAIN IS FALLING IN INTENSE
10:47:54AM STORMS AND SMALLER PACKETS, FULL.
10:47:58AM SO THREE OR FOUR DAYS OF NO RAIN AND THEN INTENSE STORMS.
10:48:01AM THESE STORMS CAN SOMETIMES BE HYPER LOCALIZED.
10:48:04AM SO WHAT HAPPENED LAST FRIDAY, FOR EXAMPLE IS BY OUR AILEEN
10:48:09AM POND IN SOUTH TAMPA AROUND THE MacDILL AND EILEEN AREA.
10:48:12AM WE HAD OVER THREE INCHES OF RAIN IN ONE HOUR AND ALMOST
10:48:17AM THREE AND A HALF INCHES OF RAIN IN TWO HOURS.
10:48:20AM THAT WILL INUNDATE OUR STORMWATER SYSTEMS.
10:48:24AM OUR STORMWATER SYSTEMS ARE NOT DESIGNED AS THEY ARE RIGHT
10:48:27AM NOW FOR THAT MUCH RAIN AND IN THAT SHORT OF A TIME.
10:48:31AM SAME THING HAPPENED ELSEWHERE IN SOUTH TAMPA AROUND
10:48:37AM MANHATTAN AND SAN CARLOS, I BELIEVE.
10:48:40AM THOSE ARE ABOUT TWO AND A HALF INCHES OF RAIN.
10:48:44AM WHAT WE MEASURE FROM A MAINTENANCE AND STORMWATER SYSTEM
10:48:49AM PERSPECTIVE, WHEN WE GET THAT AMOUNT OF RAIN, INUNDATES OUR
10:48:55AM SYSTEM, STREET FLOODING, DOES THAT FLOODING DISSIPATE WITHIN
10:48:58AM TWO AND TWO AND A HALF HOURS.
10:49:01AM IF IT DOES, THE SYSTEM AS WE DESIGN IS WORKING WHICH IS WHY
10:49:05AM WE PROPOSE ADDITIONAL CIPs TO EXPAND SOME CAPACITY OF THESE
10:49:09AM SYSTEMS, PARTICULARLY IN BUILDUP AREAS.
10:49:12AM THAT IS ONE PART OF THE EQUATION.
10:49:15AM THE OTHER PART WE HAVE TO CONSISTENTLY WORK WITH IS TO
10:49:18AM CREATE MORE SPONGE-LIKE SURFACES ACROSS THE CITY.
10:49:22AM PRESERVE GREEN AREAS THAT ALREADY EXIST.
10:49:25AM PRESERVE TREES, PLANT MORE TREES, AND WORK WITH OUR BUILDING
10:49:29AM DEPARTMENT AND OTHER AGENCIES TO MAKE SURE THAT BUILT-UP
10:49:34AM AREA NOT ONLY CONTAIN STORMWATER ON-SITE, BUT ALSO CREATE
10:49:41AM PERVIOUS SERVICES.
10:49:42AM AND WE HAVE DONE THAT WITH OUR STORMWATER CAPITAL PROJECTS
10:49:46AM AS WELL.
10:49:46AM LIKE SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, THE PARKING AREAS ARE
10:49:49AM PERVIOUS CONCRETE.
10:49:50AM WE WILL DO THE SAME WITH EVERY OTHER PROJECT.
10:49:53AM IN FACT THE MAYOR DID HAVE AN EXECUTIVE ORDER A COUPLE OF
10:49:58AM YEARS BACK WORKING TO CONSIDER SUSTAINABILITY AND
10:50:03AM RESILIENCE.
10:50:04AM IN OUR WORLD, WHAT THAT MEANS IS AS MUCH PERMEABILITY IN OUR
10:50:08AM SERVICES AS POSSIBLE.
10:50:09AM NATURAL OR THROUGH MATERIALS THAT ARE NEEDED FOR THINGS LIKE
10:50:14AM PARKING SPACES.
10:50:17AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:50:18AM EVERYONE OF THE REASONS THEY GAVE ME WAS OVERBUILDING.
10:50:22AM AND MY ANSWER WAS, AS FAR AS I KNOW CLOSED.
10:50:25AM ANY BUILDING THAT GOES UP IS SUPPOSED TO MAINTAIN THE WATER
10:50:29AM ON THEIR LAND.
10:50:29AM IS THAT RIGHT?
10:50:31AM >>VIK BHIDE: THAT'S CORRECT.
10:50:32AM THAT'S CORRECT.
10:50:33AM MITIGATION ON-SITE IS REQUIRED AND THERE IS A REQUIREMENT
10:50:37AM FOR -- DEPENDING ON THE USE, WHAT PERCENTAGE OFF A PLOT OR
10:50:42AM PROPERTY CAN BE BUILT UP.
10:50:43AM AND FOR SINGLE-FAMILY, FOR EXAMPLE, IT IS 51.49.
10:50:48AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSE.
10:50:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
10:50:52AM YES, GO AHEAD.
10:50:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WAS ASKING IF YOU -- OKAY.
10:50:59AM SO MR. VHIDE, DON'T GET COMFY.
10:51:03AM [LAUGHTER]
10:51:06AM THIS IS A LONGER DISCUSSION, AND I JUST WANT TO START IT
10:51:08AM WITH COUNCIL, AND I HAVE SPOKEN TO YOU ABOUT THIS.
10:51:13AM I -- I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO MOVE THAT $5 MILLION FROM THE
10:51:17AM PARKING GUIDANCE TO PAVING IF THAT -- IF THAT IS THE ONE YOU
10:51:21AM ARE TALKING ABOUT.
10:51:21AM IT IS 12 MILLION, 5 MILLION THIS YEAR AND $7 MILLION NEXT
10:51:26AM YEAR.
10:51:26AM I AM HAPPY TO MAKE THAT MOTION.
10:51:28AM SECOND PROJECT, THE PARKING -- EV CHARGING STATION AND
10:51:33AM INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES.
10:51:34AM THAT WAS $1.5 MILLION.
10:51:36AM WE ARE HAVING TROUBLE RIGHT NOW WITH FUNDING TRANSPORTATION
10:51:43AM OVERALL.
10:51:45AM AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS WE ARE TRYING TO GET A BRT FROM
10:51:50AM DOWNTOWN TO USF.
10:51:52AM THE BUS RAPID TRANSIT.
10:51:56AM ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT HART IS HAVING AND D.O.T.
10:52:03AM FDOT IS SAYING THAT LOCAL COMMUNITIES, BE IT THE COUNTY, THE
10:52:10AM CITIES THAT WE ARE NOT PUTTING ANY SKIN IN THE GAME WE
10:52:14AM AREN'T FUNDING IT.
10:52:16AM AND SO THERE -- THEY ARE HESITANT TO GIVE US MORE MONEY OR
10:52:22AM TO GIVE THE SYSTEM MONEY IF WE AREN'T GOING TO PARTICIPATE
10:52:27AM IN IT.
10:52:28AM ONE ISSUES THAT THE BRT IS HAVING, THEY NEED TO HAVE 3,000
10:52:33AM -- THE ROUTE 1 THAT WILL TURN INTO THE BRT.
10:52:36AM MR. BHIDE, IF YOU NEED TO INTERRUPT ME IF I AM GETTING THIS
10:52:42AM WRONG, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
10:52:43AM RIGHT NOW HART DOESN'T HAVE THE FULL RIDERSHIP TO OPEN
10:52:49AM THAT BRT AT 3,000 RIDER AS DAY.
10:52:51AM ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO DO TODAY IS TAKE THAT CHARGING
10:52:54AM STATION MONEY THE $1.5 MILLION.
10:52:57AM GIVE IT TO HEART TO FUND FAIR FREE ROUTE 1 FOR THE YEAR.
10:53:02AM THAT WILL COVER THE ROUTE AND WILL INCREASE THE ROUTE FROM
10:53:08AM 20 MINUTES -- 20 MINUTES TO 15 MINUTES HEADWAYS.
10:53:13AM WHAT THIS WILL DO IS MULTIPLE THINGS.
10:53:16AM ONE, THE STREETCAR IS VERY SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE IT IS FREE.
10:53:18AM SUCCESSFUL FOR OTHER REASONS.
10:53:20AM BUT IF PEOPLE HAD TO PAY FOR IT, THEY WOULDN'T USE IT AS
10:53:24AM MUCH.
10:53:24AM SECOND, THIS COMMUNITY DOES NOT HAVE A HISTORY OF BUS
10:53:28AM RIDING.
10:53:29AM GENERALLY.
10:53:30AM IT JUST SIMPLY DOESN'T.
10:53:32AM BUT WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE GETTING -- ABLE TO GET ANY MONEY
10:53:36AM FROM FDOT OR THE FEDS IF WE CAN'T START TO SHOW SOME
10:53:40AM PROJECT.
10:53:44AM >>VIK BHIDE: IF WOULD YOU LIKE SOME CLARIFICATION OR
10:53:49AM CONTEXT.
10:53:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
10:53:50AM I PROAPPRECIATE IT.
10:53:52AM >>VIK BHIDE: THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS UP.
10:53:54AM I WILL CLARIFY IF THE CITY IS FUNDING OR NOT.
10:53:57AM HART IS SET UP AS A COUNTYWIDE AGENCY.
10:54:00AM THE CITY HAS FOUR BOARD SEATS ON THE BOARD ITSELF, AND
10:54:04AM COUNCILMAN VIERA IS THE CHAIR OF THE HART BOARD.
10:54:09AM RESIDENTS OFF TAMPA DO CONTRIBUTE BECAUSE THAT IS ALL OUR
10:54:15AM PROPERTY BILLS.
10:54:16AM PART OF THE COUNTYWIDE FUNDING SCENARIO.
10:54:19AM WE DO CONTRIBUTE TO TRANSIT, BUT IT IS SORELY UNDERFUNDED
10:54:26AM AND I THINK WE HAVE SEEN THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN
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10:56:34AM >>VIK BHIDE: -- WILL HAVE HAVE ITS OWN LANE OR NOT.
10:56:38AM THAT IS THE BACKGROUND AND CONTEXT.
10:56:40AM IT IS BACK ON THE BRT SYSTEM ITSELF.
10:56:44AM HART IS FACING A FISCAL LIST.
10:56:47AM IT IS ALREADY FALLING SHORT ON OPERATING COSTS.
10:56:52AM AND WHETHER THE FOCUS SHOULD BE ON EXPANDING EXISTING
10:56:56AM SERVICE AND MAKING IT BETTER AND INTRODUCING PREMIUM TRANSIT
10:57:00AM OR NOT IS UP TO TRANSIT EXPERTS ULTIMATELY, BUT THE
10:57:04AM OPERATING COSTS WILL STILL HAVE TO BE BORN OUT AT SOME
10:57:08AM POINT.
10:57:08AM AND THEN FINALLY AS TRANSIT IS CONCERNS, BEYOND US FUNDING
10:57:14AM TRANSIT, IT ISN'T THE CITY'S MANTATE TO PROVIDE TRANSIT
10:57:19AM SERVICE BEYOND THE STREETCAR TODAY.
10:57:22AM BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT COUNCIL -- THAT IT
10:57:26AM DOES NOT RESERVE THE RIGHT TO ALLOCATE FUNDING.
10:57:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP.
10:57:30AM I SIT ON THE TPO.
10:57:32AM AND RIGHT NOW OUR BIG -- OUR BIG STOPPING SPOT IS -- IS WE
10:57:36AM CAN'T GET THE BRT.
10:57:37AM BECAUSE THE STATE HAS IMPOSED -- THEY CONTINUE TO BE IMPOSE
10:57:44AM MORE AND MORE RESTRICTIONS.
10:57:46AM ONE OF THE RESTRICTION THIS PAST YEAR WAS THAT THEY CAN'T
10:57:49AM USE CURRENT LANES.
10:57:49AM YOU CAN'T REPURPOSE THE LANE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LIKE IT.
10:57:54AM THEY SIMPLY SAY YOU CAN'T REPURPOSE THE LANE, THIS IS KIND
10:57:58AM OF A WAY TO GET AROUND THIS.
10:58:00AM FDOT REFUSES TO FUND OR CANNOT -- I GUESS IT IS IN THEIR
10:58:05AM MANDATE -- FUND OPERATIONS COST.
10:58:07AM HOW DO WE -- AND WE HAVE PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT TRAFFIC.
10:58:10AM FASTEST WAY WE CAN IMPROVE TRAFFIC IS TO GET PEOPLE OFF THE
10:58:16AM ROAD.
10:58:17AM I KNOW THAT THIS CAN BE CONTROVERSIAL.
10:58:19AM SO I AM JUST SIMPLY ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER IT BUT I WOULD
10:58:25AM REALLY LIKE TO MAKE ROUTE FARE FREE -- SEE HOW WE CAN MAKE
10:58:31AM IT -- FDOT CAN GIVE US THE MONEY TO TRY BECAUSE IT IS A
10:58:35AM CURRENT SYSTEM.
10:58:36AM BY DOING THIS, WE CAN SPREE HOW WE CAN GO FORWARD BECAUSE
10:58:39AM ULTIMATELY WE ARE GOING TO STEP UP AND FUND SOME OF THIS
10:58:42AM BECAUSE THE COUNTY IS SIMPLY NOT GOING TO DO IT.
10:58:44AM IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE COUNTY -- WE ARE NOT GOING INTO THE
10:58:47AM COUNTY.
10:58:47AM WE ARE STICKING TO THE CITY.
10:58:49AM BUT ULTIMATELY, WE HAVE TO TALK AS A CITY OF HOW WE FUND
10:58:53AM TRANSIT GOING FORWARD BECAUSE IT IS NOT GOING TO BE DONE BY
10:58:55AM THE COUNTY.
10:58:56AM IF WE ACTUALLY WANT TO MOVE PEOPLE WE -- BECAUSE WE AREN'T
10:59:00AM EXPANDING ROADS IN THIS CITY.
10:59:01AM WE JUST SIMPLY AREN'T.
10:59:03AM WE GET MORE CARS.
10:59:04AM MORE PEOPLE.
10:59:05AM IF WE DON'T LOOK FOR -- A FOOL'S ERRAND TO NOT LOOK AT
10:59:10AM ANOTHER POSSIBLE WAY TO DO IT.
10:59:11AM SO TIME SIMPLY GOING TO ASK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS
10:59:15AM CONSIDERED.
10:59:15AM I HAVE OTHER THINGS TO TALK ABOUT POLICE AND FIRE DURING
10:59:18AM NUMBER TWO, BUT THAT IS WHERE I AM GOING TO LEAVE IT.
10:59:20AM I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO FUND ROUTE ONE FARE FREE FOR ONE YEAR
10:59:28AM ONLY.
10:59:28AM SEE HOW IT GOES.
10:59:29AM AND --
10:59:30AM >>VIK BHIDE: IF I COULD -- YES, AUGMENT THAT.
10:59:33AM -- I BELIEVE THE SPECIFIC NUMBER IS A LITTLE SHY OF $1
10:59:39AM MILLION FOR FARE-FREE.
10:59:41AM WHILE IT ISN'T OUR MANDATE, I WOULD BE REMISS NOT TO MENTION
10:59:46AM THAT OUR MOBILITY PLAN PLANS FOR AND DEPENDS ON BETTER
10:59:52AM TRANSIT SERVICE AS WAY OFF MANAGING CONGESTION AND A WAY OF
10:59:56AM REDUCING VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED.
10:59:58AM SO THAT -- THAT LATER GOAL.
11:00:01AM REDUCING THE VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED.
11:00:03AM THE LONE STRATEGIES FOR THAT, BETTER INVESTMENT, INVESTING
11:00:11AM IN WALKING AND BIKING AND INVESTING IN TRANSIT.
11:00:13AM IT DOES ALIGN WITH THE CITY'S MOBILITY GOALS IF THAT SHOULD
11:00:17AM BE THE CONSIDERATION.
11:00:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS THE OTHER THING.
11:00:19AM AND I WILL TRY TO GET YOU ALL A COPY OF THIS STUDY THAT TPO
11:00:23AM JUST DID WHICH WAS PHENOMENAL.
11:00:25AM THEY WERE ABLE TO -- NOT A STUDY, BUT A PUBLIC SURVEY.
11:00:29AM WHAT THEY DID.
11:00:30AM THEY WERE ABLE TO GET INTO THE CITY'S RESPONDENTS.
11:00:34AM THE CITY RESPONDENTS BY AND LARGE -- FIRST OF ALL, ALL THE
11:00:38AM COUNTY WANTED TRANSPORTATION.
11:00:41AM THAT WAS THEIR NUMBER ONE, THAT WAS INTERESTING.
11:00:43AM BUT THE CITY -- THE PEOPLE WHO ANSWERED THAT SURVEY WANTED
11:00:47AM TO TAX THEMSELVES FOR MORE TRANSIT.
11:00:49AM IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING.
11:00:50AM SOME I WILL PASS THE -- I WILL HAVE KELLEY PASS THE -- THE
11:00:54AM SURVEY ON TO YOU AND THEN GIVE YOU MR. -- DR. WONG'S
11:01:01AM INFORMATION IF YOU WOULD LIKE ASK HIM MORE QUESTIONS.
11:01:03AM BASICALLY WHAT WE ARE HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC WE REALLY WANT
11:01:07AM TRANSIT AND HOW TO DO IT.
11:01:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THING IS AN INTERESTING CONCEPT SEEING
11:01:12AM HOW THE STREETCAR WORKS FARE TO FREE FARES DUE TO GRANTS.
11:01:16AM WE HAVE SEEN -- I AM ON THE BOARD THERE -- A HUGE STRIKE IN
11:01:22AM RIDERSHIP.
11:01:22AM PEOPLE WITH THE STREETCAR.
11:01:24AM IF WE WERE TO GO BACK TO SOME TYPE OF FARE WITH THE
11:01:27AM STREETCAR, IT COULD BE 200, 250, WHATEVER IT WAS BEFORE.
11:01:32AM A DOLLAR.
11:01:33AM $.50.
11:01:35AM PEOPLE PUT IT ON THEIR MIND -- PLUS THE PEOPLE WHO MOVED
11:01:38AM WITH THIS AREA OF USING THE STREETCAR.
11:01:41AM THEY LIKE IT AND SEE THE CONVENIENCE OF IT.
11:01:43AM AND CHEAPER THAN PARKING AND DRIVING.
11:01:46AM THEY WILL CONTINUE USING, BUT I THINK THIS CONCEPT -- I KNOW
11:01:50AM THAT HART IS COUNTY AND IT IS MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT,
11:01:53AM BUT IT WILL ENCOURAGE PEOPLE, HEY, IF YOU HAVEN'T USED THE
11:01:56AM BUS, IT IS FREE FOR NOW.
11:01:58AM USE IT.
11:01:59AM RIDE IT.
11:01:59AM THEY WILL GET USED TO IT.
11:02:01AM PSYCHOLOGICALLY, I THINK IT WILL WORK.
11:02:03AM I THINK IT IS A GREAT IDEA.
11:02:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN I ADD A POINT TO THAT?
11:02:07AM THE STREETCAR ENDS AT WHITING.
11:02:09AM THAT IS WHERE ROUTE 1 STARTS.
11:02:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THEN IT IS A PERFECT -- I WON'T SAY LAST
11:02:15AM MILE CONNECTOR BUT A MORE SEAMLESS CONNECTION.
11:02:19AM >>VIK BHIDE: IF I CAN REFLECT REAL QUICK.
11:02:21AM BECAUSE YOU MADE A GOOD POINT.
11:02:23AM A GOOD COMPLEMENT.
11:02:24AM ROUTE 1 IS A GOOD COMPLE COMMITTEE TO THE STREETCAR.
11:02:29AM ROUTE 1 IS ALSO A CONNECTER TO USF.
11:02:32AM AS WE ALL KNOW, THERE IS GOING TO BE A NEW STADIUM.
11:02:36AM SO THAT AREA DOES NEED ADDITIONAL ATTENTION.
11:02:39AM AND ALL THE AREAS IN BETWEEN.
11:02:40AM AND THIS IS ONE OF MANY ROUTES.
11:02:42AM IT IS A CRITICAL ROUTE.
11:02:45AM IT IS HART'S MOST SUCCESSFUL ROUTE, I BELIEVE.
11:02:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, CARLSON AND VIERA.
11:02:55AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT ON THE
11:02:59AM STREETCAR.
11:02:59AM FOR '74 -- PRIOR TO '74, WE HAD A FANTASTIC BUS LINE CALLED
11:03:04AM CITY OF TAMPA TRANSIT.
11:03:05AM RIGHT HERE ON CLEVELAND IS -- WAS THE SERVICE AREA AND
11:03:12AM GARAGE TO FIX THE BUSES SO FORTH AND SO ON.
11:03:15AM HAD A PRETTY GOOD RIDERSHIP.
11:03:17AM RIGHT ON THE BOTTOM OF THESE THREE STEPS, HARRY ORR WAS
11:03:22AM COMING DOWN THE STEPS AND HE SAID IT WILL BE AN IDIOT TO
11:03:25AM TAKE ONE MONEY IN FEDERAL DOLLARS BECAUSE SENDING SOMEBODY
11:03:29AM HERE FROM WIMAUMA FOR A QUARTER.
11:03:31AM YOU CAN'T SURVIVE.
11:03:32AM YOU WILL FALL WITHIN YOUR OWN MEANS.
11:03:33AM HE WAS RIGHT.
11:03:35AM I HATE TO SAY THAT.
11:03:36AM HOWEVER, BEFORE I START CHANGING MY VOTE FOR MONEY SHIFTED
11:03:41AM AROUND.
11:03:41AM I NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE RIDERSHIP IN THE '60s, '70s, '80s,
11:03:48AM '90s UNTIL NOW AND THE REVENUES GIVEN TO THAT.
11:03:51AM I WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS.
11:03:54AM YOU TALK OF THE STREET CAR.
11:03:55AM THE STREETCAR WAS DESIGNED FOR MANY REASONS.
11:03:57AM ONE IS THE RIDERSHIP FOR POINT A AND POINT A.
11:04:02AM IN THE '90s FOR $180 MILLION.
11:04:07AM >>VIK BHIDE: '90s, YES.
11:04:09AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: PUBLIC MONEY AND HAD BUSINESS ALONG THE
11:04:11AM AND ELECTRIC COMPANY CALLED TECO THAT PAID A PORTION OF IT..
11:04:17AM MADE TO HELP DEVELOP -- TO DEVELOP WHAT WE HAVE NOW ON THE
11:04:22AM EAST OF US.
11:04:24AM AND THE CITY WAS CALLED YBOR CITY FURTHER EAST OF US.
11:04:28AM BECAUSE THEY WERE DYING.
11:04:30AM AND IT CERTAINLY DID THAT.
11:04:31AM HOWEVER, SINCE IT WAS FREE, THE RIDERSHIP HAS GONE ON.
11:04:36AM SOB WOULD BE LUNCH AT THE RESTAURANT IF THEY WERE FREE, BUT
11:04:42AM THEY ARE NOT.
11:04:42AM WE HAVE THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND AS PUBLIC
11:04:45AM OFFICIALS.
11:04:45AM BEFORE I VOTE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, I HAVE TO KNOW WHAT THE
11:04:50AM NUMBERS ARE, FINANCIALLY WHAT IT COSTS AND WHAT -- IF THERE
11:04:54AM IS AN EXPECTATION AND WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DO NOT MEET NOSE
11:04:58AM EXPECTATIONS.
11:04:59AM THE ONLY WAY WE ARE GOING TO SOLVE THIS IS BY SAYING WE
11:05:03AM CAN'T DO IT THIS WAY ANYMORE.
11:05:04AM ONLY SYSTEM THAT WILL WORK IS NOTHING MORE IN THE STREET.
11:05:07AM IN RAIL AROUND US AND ABOVE US.
11:05:09AM AS THE AIRPORT DOES, IT WILL NOT WORK.
11:05:14AM THE PEOPLE, GOOD CITIZENS ARE USED TO MOVING SOMETHING
11:05:18AM QUICKLY.
11:05:19AM THEY DON'T WANT TO STOP AT EVERY STOPLIGHT AND DO THIS.
11:05:22AM IT WASTES THE ENERGY.
11:05:23AM OUR ATMOSPHERE.
11:05:25AM HELPS US KILL OURSELVES MORE BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENT.
11:05:28AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:05:29AM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:05:31AM >>BILL CARLSON: THIS IS A BIGGER CONVERSATION FOR ANOTHER
11:05:34AM DAY, I THINK.
11:05:35AM AND I THINK WE HAVE HART COMING IN AT SOME POINT TO TALK TO
11:05:38AM US.
11:05:38AM AS I UNDERSTAND IT -- AND CHARLIE, YOU CAN TELL ME IF I AM
11:05:42AM WRONG -- MY UNDERSTANDING IN TALKING TO PEOPLE, UNTIL THE
11:05:45AM '80s, CITY CONTROLLED TRANSIT AND HOUSING.
11:05:49AM AND THEN THE CITY ASKED FOR THE STATE TO SPIN THE TWO OFF TO
11:05:54AM CREATE THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AND HART.
11:06:00AM AND THE CITY'S AD VALOREM TAXES AND THE RIGHTS WERE MOVED TO
11:06:08AM THE TWO OTHER ENTITIES.
11:06:09AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T REMEMBER THAT.
11:06:11AM >>BILL CARLSON: THE POINT IS AUTONOMY AND CLEANER DECISIONS
11:06:15AM MADE AROUND THAT.
11:06:15AM SO UNTIL WE PUSHED THE LAST FEW YEARS, THE CITY DIDN'T SPEND
11:06:20AM ANY MONEY ON HOUSING AND WE PUT SOME IN THERE.
11:06:22AM WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT THE SIZE OF THE PROBLEM OF
11:06:26AM TRANSPORTATION IN HOUSING, WE CAN'T POSSIBLY FILL THAT.
11:06:28AM TO REPAIR THE POTHOLES IS $2 BILLION BECAUSE OF LACK OF
11:06:34AM FIXING THEM THE LAST FEW YEARS.
11:06:36AM I CAN TELL THAT YOU THE CONSTITUENTS I TALK TO, THEY WANT --
11:06:40AM PROBABLY MOST OF THEM WANT TRANSIT AND THEY WANT THE
11:06:44AM POTHOLES FIXED.
11:06:45AM BECAUSE SOME OF THE ROADS HAVE JUST BEEN QUICKLY PAVED OVER
11:06:48AM AND POTHOLES FILLED WHEN THE RAIN CAME.
11:06:52AM POT IT ALL OVER AGAIN.
11:06:53AM TEN TIMES FOR PROBLEMS.
11:06:55AM AND GOING AND FILLING POTHOLES WILL FIX THE PROBLEM LONG
11:07:00AM TERM.
11:07:01AM WE NEED TO FIX IT.
11:07:02AM ONCE WE FIX THE ROADS, PEOPLE WILL COME FORWARD AND BE MORE
11:07:06AM SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
11:07:07AM BUT THE POINT I WAS MAKING -- MAYBE WE CAN DISCUSS THIS WHEN
11:07:10AM HART COMES.
11:07:10AM I SAW IN MARCH OR SOMEWHERE THAT HART TALKED OF INCREASING
11:07:15AM ITS AD VALOREM TAX AND GET EACH OF THE MEMBER GOVERNMENTS TO
11:07:20AM VOTE ON IT AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
11:07:21AM CAN'T HAPPEN.
11:07:22AM BUT THE CITY -- AND UNLESS A NEW TAX IS PASSED, THE CITY HAS
11:07:26AM NO MONEY TO DO ANY OF THIS.
11:07:28AM WE CAN'T AFFORD TO FILL POTHOLES.
11:07:30AM WE CAN'T AFFORD TO HIRE POLICE.
11:07:31AM I AM OKAY IF WE DO SOMETHING TEMPORARILY LIKE A SIX-MONTH
11:07:35AM PERIOD OR A YEAR, BUT NONE OF THESE PROJECTS SHOULD LOOK FOR
11:07:41AM LONG-TERM FUNDING BECAUSE WE CAN'T AFFORD IT.
11:07:44AM WE CAN'T AFFORD THE BASIC SERVICE.
11:07:46AM MID-LEVEL MANAGER WHO HAVEN'T GOTTEN RAISE IN MORE THAN TEN
11:07:51AM YEARS.
11:07:51AM IF WE CAN KEEP THE GOOD PEOPLE AND MOVE FORWARD AND PROTECT
11:07:55AM THE PUBLIC WITH PUBLIC SAFETY AND FIX POTHOLES, WE NEED
11:08:02AM FIGURE OUT HOW TO USE OUR EXISTING MONEY BETTER.
11:08:05AM >>LUIS VIERA: AND I WAS NEXT LINE.
11:08:08AM I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE DISCUSSION AND THE IDEA.
11:08:11AM I SALUTE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:08:12AM I THINK THAT IS GREAT.
11:08:13AM YOU KNOW A LOT OF TIMES YOU GOT TO THINK OUTSIDED BOX AND
11:08:19AM THINKING TO OUTSIDE OF THE BOX IS A NEW NORM.
11:08:22AM IF YOU ASK US ON COUNCIL IN 2017 AND '18.
11:08:26AM SPEND 2 MILLION ON GENERAL REVENUE ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
11:08:29AM I WOULD GO REALLY?
11:08:31AM LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.
11:08:32AM A LOT OF TIMES YOU HAVE TO COMFORT AND SAY, I HAVE A NEW
11:08:35AM IDEA, A NEW WAY OF DOING THINGS YOU HAVE TO BREAK THROUGH A
11:08:41AM MODE.
11:08:41AM A BIG PART OF HART FUNDING THE BASICS.
11:08:45AM PREMIUM TRANSIT.
11:08:46AM AND NOT LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE PREMIUM TRANSIT.
11:08:49AM NO BECAUSE OF A LACK OF DESIRE OBVIOUSLY ON THE PART OF
11:08:54AM HART, IT IS BECAUSE OF MONEY, UNFORTUNATELY.
11:08:56AM AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THIS COULD HELP MOVE US FORWARD
11:09:00AM TEMPORARILY, MAYBE NOT.
11:09:01AM AGAIN, I THINK IT IS SOMETHING WORTH DISCUSSING.
11:09:05AM YOU KNOW, A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT WHEN
11:09:09AM IT COMES TO TRANSPORTATION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:09:11AM AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, WE HAVE -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT AMOUNT
11:09:16AM WILL BE COMING HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO, A WHOLE LOT
11:09:19AM OF MONEY FOR STREET REPAVING FROM THE TRANSPORTATION STAFF.
11:09:24AM AND THE SALES TAX REFUNDS AND TO GO BACK TO THE LOCAL
11:09:28AM GOVERNMENTS AND HOPEFULLY TAKE CARE OF A LOT OF THAT WITH
11:09:31AM THOSE FUNDS, BUT MOVING FORWARD IN CRITICAL AREAS WHERE YOU
11:09:35AM DO HAVE HIGH RIDERSHIP.
11:09:37AM WE TALK OF HIGH RIDERSHIP.
11:09:39AM TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT IS.
11:09:40AM THOSE ARE MOMS, DADS, HARD-WORKING PEOPLE LOOKING TO GO TO
11:09:44AM WORK AT WALMART, AT PUBLIX, AT TARGET.
11:09:48AM GOING TO MEET THEIR SICK AND DYING RELATIVE.
11:09:51AM TAKING CARE OF THEIR MOM AND DAD, DROPPING OFF THEIR KID AT
11:09:55AM SCHOOL, WHATEVER IT NAY BE.
11:09:57AM THAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AND THAT IS
11:09:59AM THE DISCUSSION THAT IS REALLY WORTH HAVING.
11:10:02AM THIS MOTION CARRIED UNAMINOUSLY OF COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK --
11:10:05AM NOT A MOTION, BUT THE IDEA, THE REASON I WANT TO DISCUSS IT,
11:10:09AM SOMETHING THAT WILL MOVE WORKING FAMILIES OVER IN THEIR MOST
11:10:13AM CRITICAL NEED.
11:10:13AM WHEN I THINK OF RIDERSHIP SHIP, THAT IS WHAT RIDERSHIP IS.
11:10:18AM I AM PASSIONATE ABOUT HART AND THE MISSION THEY CAN DO.
11:10:22AM IF WE CAN MOVE IT FORWARD LIKE PREMIUM TRANSIT AND THE CRA,
11:10:27AM WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVE CRA IN CRA AREAS TO HELP OUT HART AS
11:10:32AM WELL.
11:10:32AM HART IS -- AGAIN, FOLKS ARE RIGHT.
11:10:34AM THIS IS PART OF A LARGER DISCUSSION.
11:10:35AM BUT ONE I AM VERY SUPPORTIVE OF HAVING.
11:10:38AM THERE YOU GO.
11:10:39AM >>VIK BHIDE: I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE JUST A SHAMELESS PLUG
11:10:42AM FOR OUR PARKING TEAM.
11:10:45AM SO A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK, THE HART CFO REACHED OUT TO US
11:10:50AM SAYING WE WOULD LIKE TO INCREASE SERVICE, BUT WILL REQUIRE
11:10:53AM AN INCREASE TO OUR STREETCAR BUDGET.
11:10:57AM AND WE DID.
11:10:57AM WE GOT CREATIVE WITH OUR TEAM AND INCREASED OUR STREETCAR
11:11:02AM BUDGET BY $350,000 FROM THE PARKING ENTERPRISE WHICH IS WHY
11:11:08AM WE HAVE THE 12-MINUTE SERVICE TODAY.
11:11:09AM WE HAVE A HISTORY OF SUPPORTING HART AND THEIR OBJECTIVES
11:11:13AM WHERE THEY ALIGN, BUT ALSO TO CONGRESSMAN CARLSON'S POINT.
11:11:17AM WHEN YOU JUST LOOK AT THE MANDATE, MANDATED SERVICES IN
11:11:22AM FRONT OF US, THEY ARE SO SEVERELY UNDERFUNDED THAT THEY HAVE
11:11:26AM TO BALANCE ALL OBJECTIVES.
11:11:29AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, MA'AM.
11:11:31AM GO AHEAD.
11:11:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, OKAY.
11:11:33AM I -- I REALLY APPRECIATE PEOPLE'S COMMENTS.
11:11:37AM AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A -- THIS IS A CHALLENGE
11:11:40AM FOR EVERYONE.
11:11:42AM MR. MIRANDA -- COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, FIXED RAIL IS WHAT
11:11:47AM EVERYBODY WANTS.
11:11:48AM 100% WHAT EVERYONE WANTS.
11:11:49AM HERE IS THE THING.
11:11:51AM IT IS NOT $1 MILLION.
11:11:52AM IT IS LIKE $100 MILLION.
11:11:54AM AND THE OTHER THING PEOPLE DON'T THINK ABOUT WITH FIXED
11:11:57AM RAILS.
11:11:57AM I WANT TO RIDE FIX RAIL.
11:12:00AM ABLE TO WALK A BLOCK OR TWO FROM THEIR HOUSE AND GET ON
11:12:03AM FIXED RAIL.
11:12:03AM THAT IS NOT THE WAY IT IS GOING TO WORK.
11:12:06AM FIXED RAIL WILL BE THE SPINE, BUT THEN YOU WILL HAVE TO HAVE
11:12:09AM BUSES TO TAKE PEOPLE TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS FROM THE FIXED
11:12:11AM RAIL.
11:12:11AM SO MY -- MY GOAL IN THIS IS THE PILOT PROJECT TO
11:12:18AM ENCOURAGE TAMPANOS TO RIDE THE ABOUT US.
11:12:21AM THEY DON'T DO IT.
11:12:22AM WHEN I TALK TO FOLKS, THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TAMPA THAT IS THE
11:12:25AM BARRIER OF THE STREETCAR USED TO BE.
11:12:27AM YOU HAD TO PAY TO GET ON.
11:12:29AM THE IDEA IS TO GET PEOPLE TO GIVE IT IS A TRY -- IF YOU LIVE
11:12:32AM A MILE AWAY FROM ROUTE 1, YOU CAN PARK ON A NEIGHBORHOOD
11:12:35AM STREET, HOP ON THE ONE, GET TO EITHER USF TO DOWNTOWN.
11:12:40AM YOU CAN USE WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
11:12:42AM AGAIN IT IS SIMPLY A PILOT.
11:12:44AM SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO TRY.
11:12:46AM AND REALLY GET PEOPLE TO SAY, OH, WOW WOW, THIS IS COOL.
11:12:51AM EVEN IF I GET PEOPLE TO GO DOWNTOWN TO CURTIS HIXON WITH AN
11:12:56AM EVENT, A HARD TIME OF GETTING PARKING.
11:12:58AM IF THEY KNOW NECK GET TO THE ROUTE 1 FOR FREE, THEY CAN PARK
11:13:01AM IN THE SULPHUR SPRINGS AREA AND TAKE THE BUS DOWN.
11:13:05AM OR STAY UP AT USF.
11:13:08AM WHEREVER THEY ARE.
11:13:09AM PEOPLE CAN PARK THEIR CARS IN ALREADY AVAILABLE SPACES, HOP
11:13:12AM ON THE 1 AND GET DOWN AND NOT HAVE TO PAY THE PARKING FEE.
11:13:16AM NOT HAVING TO FINDS THINGS.
11:13:18AM AGAIN, WE ARE JUST STUCK.
11:13:19AM WE DON'T -- THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO DO IT THAN TO GIVE IT A
11:13:23AM TRY.
11:13:23AM I APPRECIATE PEOPLE -- PEOPLE'S WILLINGNESS.
11:13:26AM I CAN SIMPLY -- IF FOLKS WOULD LIKE, I COULD SIMPLY ASK HART
11:13:30AM TO COME ON SEPTEMBER 3, OUR FIRST BUDGET MEETING, EVENING
11:13:36AM MEETING AND DISCUSS THIS.
11:13:37AM IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD -- WOULD WORK FOR PEOPLE IN
11:13:41AM TERMS OF --
11:13:43AM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY -- I GUESS I CAN.
11:13:45AM I AM CHAIR.
11:13:46AM HAVING HART COME -- SO WHERE ARE WE AT?
11:13:51AM AUGUST 19?
11:13:52AM YEAH, I WOULD -- I WOULD JUST FOR THEIR TIME, SINCE A LONG
11:13:56AM MEETING, I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE TIME LIMITED TO A TIME
11:13:59AM CERTAIN FOR THEM JUST OUT OF RESPECT FOR THEIR TIME.
11:14:02AM WE CAN EXPLORE THIS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
11:14:04AM AS YOU CAN TELL WITH MY REMARKS, I AM VERY SYMPATHETIC.
11:14:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM JUST THINKING -- EITHER I WILL MAKE THE
11:14:11AM MOTION NOW AND WE WILL SEE WHERE IT GOES OR I CAN HAVE THEM
11:14:14AM -- COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WANTED MORE INFORMATION.
11:14:19AM AND A WAY TO GET MORE INFORMATION.
11:14:20AM I AM SURE HART WILL COME AND SPEAK TO IT.
11:14:24AM WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
11:14:26AM >>LUIS VIERA: I WILL SECOND IT.
11:14:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WON'T MAKE THE MOTION TO ASK THEM IN TO
11:14:30AM COME, I WILL JUST SIMPLY ASK.
11:14:31AM I WILL ASK IF THEY CAN BE FIRST ON THE AGENDA ON THE THIRD.
11:14:36AM >> SECOND.
11:14:36AM >>VIK BHIDE: CHAIR, JUST BECAUSE THIS IS A BUDGET DISCUSSION
11:14:43AM AND I WANT TO PROVIDE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY.
11:14:45AM WE HAVE COMMITTED EARLIER THIS YEAR TO HART, SHOULD THEY WIN
11:14:48AM A STATE GRANT THAT THEY APPLIED FOR AND RIGHT ALONG ROUTE 1
11:14:55AM ITSELF, THAT WE WILL MATCH 400,000 FOR THREE YEARS.
11:14:59AM $1.8 MILLION TO THAT GRANT TO BASICALLY RUN BE A CIRCULATOR
11:15:07AM SERVICE THAT GOES NORTH OF WHITING ALONG THE FUTURE STREET
11:15:10AM CAR EXTENSION AND INTO YBOR AS WELL.
11:15:14AM THOSE ARE FUNDS AND WILL BE REALLOCATED WITHOUT IMPACTING
11:15:19AM THIS YEAR'S BUDGET SHOULD THAT BE THE DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL
11:15:23AM WANTS TO PROCEED WITH.
11:15:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I APPRECIATE THAT.
11:15:25AM I WILL WORK WITH YOU ON THAT THEN TO FIND EXACTLY WHERE TO
11:15:29AM FIND THE FUNDING FOR THAT.
11:15:30AM MANISCALCO OFF MOTION?
11:15:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK: MY -- I SIMPLY WAS GOING TO ASK HART TO COME
11:15:36AM AND EXPLAIN AND BY THE rd, I WILL HAVE A MOTION FOR WHERE TO
11:15:40AM FIND THE MONEY AND MORE SPECIFIC, I WILL HAVE OPTIONS OF
11:15:45AM WHAT WILL COST WHAT.
11:15:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO FORMAL MOTION.
11:15:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WON'T MAKE THE FORMAL MOTION BECAUSE FOLKS
11:15:54AM HAVE ASKED FOR MORE INFORMATION, AND I WOULD LIKE RESPECT
11:15:56AM THAT.
11:15:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
11:15:58AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I HAVE A HART COMMITTEE MEETING --
11:16:00AM SPEAKING OF HART, AND I WILL BE RIGHT BACK.
11:16:02AM I WILL GO CHIME IN ON MY MEETING.
11:16:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
11:16:05AM ANYTHING ELSE?
11:16:07AM IF NOT, OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 1, THE FISCAL
11:16:11AM 2025 OPERATING BUDGET.
11:16:13AM IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, COME ON UP.
11:16:15AM YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
11:16:16AM >> ROCK, SCISSORS, PAPER.
11:16:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SIR, IF YOU HAVE HANDOUT, PUT THEM ON
11:16:26AM THE OVERHEAD AND WE WILL DISPLAY THEM.
11:16:28AM >> I WILL GET IT FIGURED OUT, YES, SIR.
11:16:30AM MY NAME IS ROBERT BARROW.
11:16:36AM 30-YEAR RESIDENT OF TAMPA, ALL BUT TWO WERE SPENT HERE IN
11:16:40AM TAMPA.
11:16:40AM REDEPLOYED TO CAMP PENDLETON, CALIFORNIA.
11:16:44AM RETIRED AND LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY.
11:16:46AM DAUGHTER WENT TO PLANT.
11:16:48AM GORY UNIVERSITY.
11:16:50AM UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA.
11:16:51AM I AM CONSIDERING MYSELF A LOCAL GUY NOW.
11:16:54AM I'M HERE TO TALK OF ROADS, WHICH I HEARD SEVERAL COMMITTEE
11:16:57AM MEMBERS BRING UP.
11:16:58AM AND JUST RECENTLY, I -- I LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA, JUST OFF OF
11:17:02AM BAYSHORE, SOUTH OF GANDY, NORTH OF INTERBAY.
11:17:06AM AND OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, I MADE CALLS INTO THE CITY
11:17:12AM REPORTING POTHOLES AND REPAIRS AND WHATNOT.
11:17:15AM AND I NEVER GOT A CALL BACK, AND SOMETIMES IT GOT REPAIRED.
11:17:19AM SOMETIMES DIDN'T.
11:17:21AM BEEN A YEAR AGO -- ONE YEAR AND TWO DAYS AGO, THERE WAS SOME
11:17:26AM PAVING EQUIPMENT THAT WAS PLACED IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD DOWN AT
11:17:28AM THE APEX OF INTERBAY AND TYSON.
11:17:32AM I AM LIKE FINALLY.
11:17:33AM GOING TO ADDRESS BAYSHORE FROM GANDY TO INTERBAY.
11:17:37AM I LEFT FOR A THREE-DAY TRIP TO PENNSYLVANIA.
11:17:39AM I CAME BACK AND MADE A LEFT ON TYSON, THE STREET I LIVE ON
11:17:45AM AND IT WAS MILLED AND CRESCENT WAS MILLED.
11:17:48AM AND NICKELS WAS MILLED.
11:17:50AM INTERBAY WAS MILLED.
11:17:52AM AND LIPSCOMB WAS MILLED.
11:17:55AM A TOTAL 69549 FEET OF MILLED ROAD IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
11:18:01AM AND THE SECTION OF BAYSHORE THAT I AM TALKING ABOUT FROM
11:18:06AM GANDY TO INTERBAY IS 3200 FEET.
11:18:11AM SO I DON'T KNOW DISH SPENT A NOTE TO COMMISSIONER CARLSON.
11:18:21AM I SAID WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON.
11:18:24AM MY STREET WAS FINE.
11:18:25AM I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE MILLED AND PAVED BAYSHORE, NOT TYSON,
11:18:30AM INTERBAY AND CRESCENT.
11:18:32AM BY THE WAY, THEY LOOK GREAT NOW.
11:18:33AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:18:34AM BUT THE OTHER EFFECT IS THE OUTGOING TRAFFIC FROM MacDILL
11:18:41AM AIR FORCE BASE RIGHT ON INTERBAY AND LEFT ON CRESCENT AND AS
11:18:45AM FAR AS THEY CAN AND BUMP BACK UP TO BAYSHORE.
11:18:47AM THERE ARE ROUGHLY 1400 TO 1500 VEHICLES THAT TRANSIT THAT
11:18:53AM SECTION OF BAYSHORE AND EVERYBODY SAYS THANK YOU FOR YOUR
11:18:57AM SERVICE.
11:18:57AM WE SUPPORT OUR BUILT.
11:18:58AM REALLY?
11:18:59AM GO DOWN THERE AND LOOK AT THE ROADS DOWN THERE.
11:19:02AM I HEARD NUMBERS OF $5 BILLION THAT THE RETIRED AND ACTIVE
11:19:06AM COMMUNITY PUTS IN TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY AND THIS IS THE BEST
11:19:11AM WE CAN DO?
11:19:19AM BY THE WAY, THERE IS NOT A ROAD.
11:19:20AM TAKING PAVEMENT, ASPHALT -- AND I DO SOME CONSULTING WORK
11:19:26AM SEVERAL LARGE SURETY COMPANIES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
11:19:31AM WORKING ROAD AND HIGHWAY.
11:19:33AM HAVE FLORIDA ON THE TRANSPORTATION BUILDERS ASSOCIATION IN
11:19:37AM TALLAHASSEE, AND IT GOES ON.
11:19:39AM BUT WHAT I WANT TO SHOW YOU -- AM I GETTING UP ON MY TIME
11:19:43AM ALREADY.
11:19:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOUR TIME IS UP, SIR.
11:19:45AM >> THIS IS -- I DEFY TO YOU FIND A FIVE-FOOT SECTION ON THAT
11:19:49AM PIECE OF ROAD I AM TALKING ABOUT THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE --
11:19:54AM CAN YOU SEE THIS?
11:19:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:19:57AM >> THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT.
11:19:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, SIR.
11:20:00AM >>THE ENTIRE -- IT IS THE ENTIRE ROADWAY.
11:20:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, SIR.
11:20:05AM >> AND SO LET ME SHOW YOU WHAT IS GOING ON.
11:20:10AM ALL THESE CRACKS --
11:20:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE TIME IS UP.
11:20:13AM THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
11:20:14AM >> TIME IS UP?
11:20:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
11:20:17AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:20:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN YOU SUBMIT THOSE TO US SO WE CAN
11:20:21AM TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
11:20:21AM WE CAN SEE IT ON THE SCREEN.
11:20:26AM >> I WILL LEAVE THESE WITH YOU OR WHOMEVER.
11:20:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE GENTLEMAN HERE.
11:20:31AM >> HE WILL COME BACK WITH AN ANSWER, TELL ME HOW 9500 FEET
11:20:35AM OF ROAD IS PAVED THAT DIDN'T -- THE GUY IN THAT BUSINESS DID
11:20:41AM NOT NEED TO BE PAVED ENDED UP GETTING PAVED.
11:20:46AM THE COST AT $ 50,000 TO MILL IT, PAVE IT, ETC.
11:20:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU HAVE SIR.
11:20:54AM YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:20:56AM >> THREE MINUTES.
11:20:56AM >> GOOD MORNING, DANYNA LAZARUS, 33605.
11:21:01AM TOO BAD GWEN HAD TO LEAVE.
11:21:04AM SHE IS MY REP.
11:21:06AM I'M HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR THE THING OUR CITY LACKS THE MOST,
11:21:09AM THE BUS.
11:21:10AM I'M HERE AS A MEMBER OF THE GRASS-ROOTS TRANSPORTATION
11:21:13AM VO SEE ORGANIZATION, THE SUNSHINE CITIZENS.
11:21:16AM AS A MEMBER OF THE TRANSPORTATION CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE
11:21:20AM SINCE 2017, AS CO-FOUNDER OF THE PUBLIC TRANSIT FOCUS GROUP,
11:21:24AM TRANSIT NOW TAMPA.
11:21:25AM AS A HOMEOWNER IN HISTORIC NORTH YBOR AND A AICP URBAN
11:21:31AM PLANNER SPECIALIZED IN SUSTAINABILITY TRANSPORTATION AND
11:21:35AM COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
11:21:35AM THANK YOU VIK, LYNN, GOO EDOE FOR THE DISCUSSION ON ROUTE 1
11:21:43AM FOR FARE FREE.
11:21:45AM I'M HERE TO ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER ALLOCATING $10 MILLION TO
11:21:48AM HART'S BUDGET.
11:21:49AM WE DO NEED TO DISCUSS A RECURRING ALLOCATION.
11:21:52AM IT IS TIME FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA TO STEP UP AND PROVIDE A
11:21:56AM RECURRING FUNDING SOURCE FOR OUR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
11:21:59AM WE NEEDED BETTER BUSES, EXPANDED ROUTES AT A MINIMUM AND
11:22:09AM PROJECTS WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR.
11:22:10AM HART HAS DONE INCREDIBLE THINGS ON A SHOESTRING BUDGET BUT
11:22:14AM IT IS NOT ENOUGH.
11:22:14AM WITH TEN YEARS OF RESEARCH, THE IMPORTANT THING IT LACK IS
11:22:18AM RECURRING CAPITAL AND OPERATIONAL FUNDING WHICH, AGAIN, FDOT
11:22:22AM CANNOT PROVIDE.
11:22:23AM COUNTY AND VOTING CITIZENS HAVE BEEN CALLED ON TO BOOST
11:22:26AM FUNDING FOR BUS SERVICE, THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS NOT STEPPED
11:22:30AM UP FOR THE RECURRING FOR THE GENERAL BUS SERVICE SINCE THE
11:22:33AM CREATION OF HART IN THE 1970s.
11:22:35AM WHY AM I HERE ASK FOR THIS TODAY?
11:22:39AM TO ASK OUR NONDISCRIMINATION AND EQUITY PLAN.
11:22:42AM TO DESIGN AND CARRY OUT THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS FOR
11:22:46AM OUR PLAN.
11:22:47AM BY HELPING THE UNDERSERVED NEIGHBORHOODS OUR COMMUNITY AND
11:22:51AM STREET OUTREACH TO OVERSAMPLE AND OVER
[NO ENCODER]
11:23:28AM -- ON THE TIMING AND FREQUENCY OF THE BUS TO BE CHALLENGING.
11:23:31AM CARETAKERS ARE OFTEN WOMEN.
11:23:35AM DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTS WOMEN AND MOTHERS.
11:23:39AM TAMPA USED TO BE THE MODEL OF CITY PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
11:23:42AM WE CAN DO THAT AGAIN.
11:23:43AM CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE BUS SYSTEM ARE THE KEY TO UNLOCKING THE
11:23:46AM GREATNESS OF OUR CITY.
11:23:47AM 45 TO 50 OF THE LARGEST METRO AREAS IN THE NATION HAVE
11:23:51AM SECURED SOME SORT OF DEDICATED FUNDING FROM THEIR LOCAL
11:23:54AM GOVERNMENTS TO FUND THEIR TRANSIT ALLEGATION.
11:23:56AM SO PLEASE PROVIDE FUND TO OUR EXISTING BUS SYSTEM AT $10
11:24:00AM MILLION.
11:24:00AM THANK YOU.
11:24:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:24:04AM GOOD MORNING.
11:24:05AM >> GOOD MORNING, HUMAIRA AFZAL.
11:24:07AM TO BE A THRIVING CITY FOR EVERYONE, TAMPA NEEDS
11:24:12AM PUBLIC TRANSIT.
11:24:13AM IT IS NOT -- IT IS A NECESSITY, NOT A LUXURY.
11:24:16AM PROVIDING PUBLIC TRANSIT SHOULD BE PART OF THE CITY'S
11:24:20AM MANDATE.
11:24:21AM CITY COUNCIL HAS THE POUTER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
11:24:23AM YOU ARE MAKE DEGREE SIGNIFICANCESS USE OF FUNDS OF THE
11:24:27AM LARGEST BUDGET IN HISTORY.
11:24:28AM I'M HERE LIKE DANA TO ALLOCATE $10 MILLION FROM THE CITY'S
11:24:32AM BILLION DOLLAR BUDGET FOR HART.
11:24:33AM FOR TOO LONG, THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA DESPERATELY NEEDED MORE
11:24:37AM BUSES, HIGHER STOP FREQUENCY AND MORE EFFICIENT ROUTES THAT
11:24:42AM CONNECT PEOPLE TO THE PLACES THEY NEED TO GO.
11:24:44AM FOR DECADES, RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN CLAMORING FOR ALL OF THE
11:24:49AM ABOVE AND CITY OF TAMPA HAS NOT STEPPED UP TO PROVIDE LOCAL
11:24:52AM FUNDS SINCE THE '70s.
11:24:54AM COST OF LIVING IN TAMPA HAS SKYROCKETED AND ROADS ARE
11:24:57AM INCREASINGLY JAMMED WITH TRAFFIC.
11:24:59AM ROADS WOULDN'T BE IN SUCH BAD SHAPE IF WE WEREN'T
11:25:02AM CAR-DEPENDENT.
11:25:04AM YOU CAN MAKE A MEANINGFUL STEP TO MAKE TAMPA MORE AFFORDABLE
11:25:08AM AND LIVABLE FOR EVERYONE BY COMMITTING CITY FUNDS FOR PUBLIC
11:25:12AM TRANSIT.
11:25:12AM THE COUNTY CERTAINLY IS NOT GOING TO DO IT.
11:25:15AM IT IS UP TO YOU.
11:25:16AM HART HAS PERFORMED AMAZINGLY AS WELL CONSIDERING ITS
11:25:20AM INCREDIBLY MEAGER BUDGET WHICH IS HALF THE FUNDING LEVEL OF
11:25:23AM OUR PIER COMMUNITIES.
11:25:24AM BUT RELATIONSHIP AND DEMAND ARE WAY UP, AND HART IS ONLY ONE
11:25:28AM OF SEVEN PUBLIC TRANSIT AGENCIES NATIONWIDE THAT MANAGED TO
11:25:32AM REACH PRECOVID RIDERSHIP LEVELS.
11:25:35AM UNFORTUNATELY, HART RIDERS ARE SUFFERING BECAUSE OF THE
11:25:38AM INCREASE IN BOTH ROUTES AND DRASTICALLY DECREASED FREQUENCY
11:25:42AM OF SERVICE.
11:25:42AM ROUTES THAT USED TO RUN EVERY 30 MINUTES NOW RUN ONCE PER
11:25:45AM HOUR.
11:25:46AM IMAGINE PLANNING YOUR DAY AROUND THAT.
11:25:50AM EVEN THIS WITH THE VERY INFREQUENT SERVICE, RIDERSHIP IS
11:25:54AM STILL UP.
11:25:54AM STUDIES SHOWN THAT HART IS VERY EFFECTIVE DESPITE IT BEING
11:25:59AM INCREDIBLY UNDERFUNDED.
11:26:00AM WE CAN TRUST HART WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS.
11:26:03AM HART HATS MASTERED FINANCIAL DISCIPLINE.
11:26:06AM THEY JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY.
11:26:08AM IMAGINE WHAT HART CAN ACHIEVE WITH ANOTHER $10 MILLION A
11:26:12AM YEAR FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:26:13AM HERE IS A SHORT LIST OF SOME OF THE WAYS IT WILL IMPROVE
11:26:16AM YOUR LOCAL CONSTITUENTS' LIVES.
11:26:19AM TAMPA WILL BE MORE AFFORDABLE FOR PEOPLE WHO STRUGGLE TO PAY
11:26:22AM FOR HOUSING AND A CAR OR TWO TO GET TO WORK AND GET AROUND.
11:26:25AM IT PROBABLY WILL BE ABOUT $500 A MONTH SAVED IN CAR
11:26:31AM PAYMENTS, GAS, INSURANCE AND MAINTENANCE.
11:26:33AM PEOPLE WHO CAN'T DRIVE OR CAN'T AFFORD CAR WILL HAVE FAR
11:26:37AM MORE ACCESS TO MORE THINGS LIKE ACCESS TO BETTER JOBS.
11:26:40AM PEOPLE WHO ALREADY RELY ON HART BUSES TO GET TO WORK WILL
11:26:43AM HAVE BETTER ROUTES AND WILL HAVE HOURS SAVED TO SPEND TIME
11:26:48AM ON OTHER THINGS LIKE SPENDING TIME WITH THEIR CHILDREN ALL
11:26:53AM THAT TAMPA HAS TO OFFER WILL BE MORE AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE
11:26:56AM INCLUDING PEOPLE WHO CANNOT DRIVE.
11:26:57AM WE HAVE MANY OLDER RESIDENTS AND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES
11:27:00AM WHO LACK INDEPENDENCE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO RELY ON FRIENDS
11:27:03AM AND RELATIVES TO DRIVE THEM.
11:27:04AM HOW WOULD YOU GET AROUND IF SUDDENLY YOU WERE UNABLE TO
11:27:07AM DRIVE?
11:27:08AM IT CAN HAPPEN TO ANYONE AT ANY TIME.
11:27:10AM I GUESS THAT IS MY THREE MINUTES.
11:27:12AM THANK YOU.
11:27:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
11:27:15AM YES, MA'AM.
11:27:16AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:27:17AM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
11:27:19AM CAN I HAVE AN EXTRA MINUTE.
11:27:20AM YOU GUYS HAVE WENT DOWN RABBIT HOLE AFTER RABBIT HOLE.
11:27:25AM AND I CAN TALK ABOUT TRANSPORTATION, HOUSING.
11:27:27AM THERE IS, LIKE, 60 DIFFERENT THINGS YOU GUYS HAVE DISCUSSED.
11:27:31AM I HAVE AN EXTRA MINUTE, PLEASE.
11:27:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
11:27:35AM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:27:37AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
11:27:38AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:27:40AM >> I WANT TO START OFF -- MY NAME STEPHANIE POYNOR.
11:27:44AM I WANT TO START OFF BY MENTIONING THE CLT.
11:27:48AM 25 TO 30 PROPERTIES ALREADY OWNED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT
11:27:52AM CAN BE MOVED INTO THAT CLT WHEN IT IS UP AND RUNNING BUT WE
11:27:55AM NEED THE A OF TO FINISH THE WORK.
11:27:58AM MY UNDERSTANDING THAT PROJECT IS ABOUT 75% COMPLETE.
11:28:02AM THE CITIZENS BUDGET REVIEW COMMITTEE VOTED AGAINST THE
11:28:06AM PARKING -- WHATEVER IT IS FOR DOWNTOWN -- THE $1/2 12
11:28:10AM MILLION THEY WANT TO SPEND ON THAT BECAUSE NOBODY FEELS LIKE
11:28:13AM DOWNTOWN NEEDS MORE MONEY FOR PARKING WHEN IT IS MY
11:28:16AM UNDERSTANDING THEY ARE OVERPARKED BY, LIKE, TWO-THIRDS.
11:28:20AM TFR -- OKAY, WE SPENT A LONG TIME THIS MORNING TALKING
11:28:25AM OF TPD AND WHAT THEY NEED, AND YET AT THE SAME TIME THAT
11:28:28AM THAT PROJECT STARTED TFR WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE GOTTEN A FIRE
11:28:34AM STATION.
11:28:34AM YET HERE WE ARE AGAIN.
11:28:35AM WE HAVE NO FIRE STATION.
11:28:36AM WE HAVEN'T BROKEN GROUND.
11:28:38AM WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET IT DONE.
11:28:40AM THEY HAVE 739 PEOPLE BUDGETED AND ONLY 750.
11:28:46AM WHAT ARE WE DOING TO INCREASE OUR FIRE DEPARTMENTS BECAUSE
11:28:49AM WE KEEP BUILDING BIGGER AND BIGGER BUILDINGS.
11:28:52AM YOU KNOW IT IS DANGEROUS AND WE NEED MORE PEOPLE.
11:28:54AM I AM JUST SAYING.
11:28:56AM WE DIDN'T GET ANY 3069 THAT WAS PROMISED LAST YEAR.
11:28:59AM SO, YOU KNOW, THE BUDGET THINGS JUST WEAR ME OUT.
11:29:02AM IT IS ZONING GROUNDHOG DAY.
11:29:05AM I WANT TO POINT OUT SOMETHING FOR YOU.
11:29:06AM LAST YEAR WE TALKED OF THIS POSITION -- I COULD HAVE SWORN
11:29:10AM THIS POSITION, COUNCIL SAID DO WE REALLY NEED AN ENERGY
11:29:13AM EFFICIENCY AND CARBON ANALYST?
11:29:16AM WELL, I STARTED GOING THROUGH THE SALARIES BECAUSE YOU KNOW
11:29:18AM I LIKE TO LOOK AT THE INDIVIDUAL STUFF.
11:29:20AM AND THAT IS THE ONLY ONE THAT IS ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGEOUS.
11:29:23AM IT IS A 49% INCREASE IN SALARIES.
11:29:28AM 49% FROM LAST YEAR IN A POSITION WE HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT AND
11:29:34AM I REALLY DON'T REMEMBER AND I WILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK
11:29:36AM AT THE HEARINGS.
11:29:37AM IF I CAN REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I THINK -- I THINK THERE WAS
11:29:40AM SOME FOLKS ON COUNCIL THAT DIDN'T REALLY LIKE THIS POSITION
11:29:43AM TO START WITH AND COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT JOB WAS.
11:29:46AM I NEVER SEEN THIS PERSON.
11:29:47AM I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THEY ARE.
11:29:48AM BUT THIS -- THIS IS CHIEF BENNETT'S DEPARTMENT.
11:29:52AM WHY I WENT LOOKING IN CHIEF BENNETT'S DEPARTMENT THIS
11:29:55AM MORNING BECAUSE, WHEN I STARTED LOOKING AT THE STORMWATER
11:29:59AM ASSESSMENT -- OKAY, SO THIS IS THE STORMWATER ASSESSMENT
11:30:03AM PAGE.
11:30:03AM AND WHEN I STARTED LOOKING AT IT, I SAID WE GOT $15.5
11:30:08AM MILLION.
11:30:08AM I AM NOT SURE WHY IT IS IN LICENSING AND PERMITS, BUT
11:30:12AM WHATEVER.
11:30:12AM SO I START LOOKING AT -- WAIT, WE ARE SPENDING $12.9 MILLION
11:30:18AM OF THAT STORMWATER ASSESSMENT FUND MONEY ON PEOPLE, WHICH IS
11:30:25AM FINE, BUT -- I MEAN, IF WE ARE PAYING ASSESSMENT.
11:30:29AM ME AS A CITIZEN AND PAYING AN ASSESSMENT.
11:30:32AM I THINK THAT IS GOING TO OUR STORMWATER PROJECT.
11:30:35AM WE LOOK DOWN HERE IN OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS AND VERY HAVE VERY
11:30:39AM SMALL.
11:30:39AM BUT WHEN I PULL OUT THE STORMWATER ENGINEERING PROJECT.
11:30:42AM WE ARE UP TO $200 MILLION.
11:30:46AM I AM LIKE HOLY CRAP.
11:30:48AM WHAT GOT ME MORE INTERESTED WAS, I WENT BACK TO THAT $12
11:30:52AM MILLION, $12.9348 IN SALARY.
11:30:56AM I PULLED THOSE NUMBERS -- THE PAGES LOOKED LIKE THIS.
11:30:59AM AND I DIDN'T PRINT IT OUT.
11:31:01AM I PULLED THIS UP, THIS NUMBER FOR STORMWATER IS ONLY $8.4
11:31:09AM MILLION.
11:31:09AM SO WHAT DID WE DO WITH THE OTHER 12ISH -- ARE -- THE OTHER
11:31:17AM $4 MILLION.
11:31:17AM THAT IS WHY I WENT TO CHIEF BENNETT'S BUDGET, I WAS
11:31:22AM LIKE HMM, MAYBE THAT IS BENEFITS.
11:31:24AM I LOOKED AT THE BENEFIT AND ACCORDING TO THE STORMWATER
11:31:27AM SALARY BUDGET, WE ARE PAYING LIKE AN ADDITIONAL 4 3,000.
11:31:32AM GROWN THAT BENEFITS.
11:31:34AM I DON'T KNOW.
11:31:34AM GO AND DIG AROUND AND CHIEF BENNETT'S OFFICE HAS 107,000
11:31:39AM ROUGHISH IN BENEFITS MONEY COMING OUT OF THERE WHICH IS
11:31:43AM $18,000.
11:31:43AM HOW IS IT THAT WE GOT THIS BIG DISCREPANCY.
11:31:46AM I AM SORRY, I AM NOT AN ACCOUNTANT NOR DO I WANT TO PLAY ONE
11:31:51AM AT CITY COUNCIL, BUT I KEEP WONDERING WHY THE NUMBERS DON'T
11:31:54AM ADD UP.
11:31:54AM EVERY NUMBERS PERSON THAT I MET MY HOLE WHOLE LIFE WANT THEM
11:31:58AM TO ADD UP AND NONE OF THEM ADD UP HERE.
11:32:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:32:04AM THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:32:06AM ITEM NUMBER 2, THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
11:32:09AM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:32:10AM DO YOU WANT TO SET IT UP.
11:32:17AM >>LUIS VIERA: I WILL GO AFTER CHIEF TRIPP.
11:32:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CHIEF TRIPP, IF YOU WANT TO KICK IT OFF.
11:32:24AM TAMPA FIRE RESCUE.
11:32:25AM >>CHIEF TRIPP: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
11:32:28AM BARBARA TRIPP, FIRE RESCUE.
11:32:32AM I DIDN'T GIVE A PRESENTATION.
11:32:33AM EVERYTHING IS IN BUDGET, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I
11:32:35AM WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER.
11:32:37AM >>LUIS VIERA: THEN I GUESS I WILL SPEAK.
11:32:38SM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
11:32:41AM >>LUIS VIERA: A COUPLE OF THINGS WITH TAMPA FIRE RESCUE.
11:32:44AM WHEN I LOOK AT -- WE HAVE TWO AND A HALF YEARS, A THOUSAND
11:32:49AM DAYS BEFORE WE ARE OUT OF HERE -- AT LEAST SOME OF US THAT
11:32:51AM ARE NOT GOING TO RUN FOR REELECTION OR WHATEVER.
11:32:53AM WHEN I LOOK AT THE THIS I THINK SO THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE
11:32:56AM FOR FIRE RESCUE OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, I THINK THERE IS,
11:33:00AM FIRST, FLEET MAINTENANCE.
11:33:02AM THINGS THAT I THINK CAN BE DONE OVER THE NEXT TWO AND A HALF
11:33:07AM YEARS.
11:33:07AM MOVING OF FLEET MAINTENANCE OUT OF STATION 9, WHEREVER IT IS
11:33:13AM GOING TO BE.
11:33:13AM A MOTION I HAD SOME TIME AGO OF REAL ESTATE ACQUISITION IN
11:33:19AM EARLY OCTOBER TO MOVE IT TO SEPTEMBER SO WE CAN HAVE THAT
11:33:22AM INFORMATION WITH US WHEN WE -- FOR PURPOSES OF THE BUDGET.
11:33:26AM I THINK THAT WE CAN DO FLEET MAINTENANCE AND GET EVERYTHING
11:33:30AM DONE IN THE NEXT TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
11:33:32AM CHIEF, LET ME ASK YOU.
11:33:33AM I KNOW YOU ARE NOT A REAL ESTATE PERSON AND ETC.
11:33:36AM YOU GOT TO DEFER TO THEM IN THAT.
11:33:39AM DO YOU THAT I IS A GOAL THAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED AT THE TIME
11:33:41AM THAT MAYOR CASTOR LEAVES OFFICE?
11:33:45AM >>CHIEF TRIPP: OBVIOUSLY I WOULD LIKE THIS TO HAPPEN.
11:33:49AM I HAVE BEEN PUSHING FOR THIS THE LAST FEW YEARS.
11:33:52AM I AM LOOKING AT MINIMUM OF FIVE ACRES, IF NOT MORE.
11:33:56AM WE ACTUALLY NEED SEVEN, BUT I WILL IS SETTLE FOR FIVE.
11:34:01AM I WILL REAL ESTATE LOOK AROUND.
11:34:03AM WE WILL SOME POSITIVES.
11:34:04AM AND THEN, OF COURSE, WITH CERTAIN THINGS HAPPEN
11:34:08AM LEGALLY-WISE, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO FOLLOW THROUGH.
11:34:09AM CURRENTLY WE ARE -- I AM HOPING AND PRAYING.
11:34:12AM WE HAVE A MEETING NEXT WEEK WITH REAL ESTATE TO SEE ABOUT
11:34:15AM THIS ONE AREA OF PROPERTY THAT WE ARE LOOKING INTO.
11:34:17AM SO I WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO HAPPEN, YES.
11:34:20AM I WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO HAPPEN BEFORE I LEAVE TOO.
11:34:23AM >>LUIS VIERA: I KNOW YOUR SENTIMENTS OBVIOUSLY, BUT MY GOAL
11:34:29AM IS TO GET THIS DONE IN THE NEXT TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
11:34:31AM THAT IS WHY I AM MAKING A MOTION -- WHY I AM MAKE ACT MOTION
11:34:35AM TODAY OR I CAN MAKE IT ON THURSDAY IF NEED BE, SO WE CAN
11:34:39AM HAVE THAT INFORMATION FOR BUDGET.
11:34:41AM NEXT ONE IS STATION 24.
11:34:43AM THANK GOODNESS WE ALREADY HAVE THE PROPERTY FOR.
11:34:45AM >>CHIEF TRIPP: YES.
11:34:46AM >>LUIS VIERA: WHEN DO YOU THINK -- WE ALREADY HAVE A
11:34:49AM PROPERTY.
11:34:49AM WHEN DO YOU THINK WE WILL HAVE A GROUNDBREAKING FOR THE
11:34:52AM CONSTRUCTION OF STATION 24 IN NORTH TAMPA.
11:34:55AM >>CHIEF TRIPP: I WISH IT COULD BE COME, BUT WE UNFORTUNATELY
11:34:59AM FINISHED THE CC&A PART OF IT.
11:35:01AM AND THIS IS ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY AS FAR AS THE STATION
11:35:04AM THAT I HAVE BEEN PUSHING TO MOVE FORWARD.
11:35:06AM I DON'T HAVE A TENTATIVE DATE YET.
11:35:10AM I KNOW WITH CAD -- I AM NOT QUITE SURE -- MR. MUTTERBACK CAN
11:35:15AM ADD TO IT WITH ALL THE DETAILS THAT ARE NEED.
11:35:19AM >>RICHARD MUTTERBACK: RICHARD MUTTERBACK, CONTRACT
11:35:25AM ADMINISTRATION.
11:35:25AM AS FAR AS A DATE, WE DON'T HAVE THE DATE YET.
11:35:28AM RFQ HAS BEEN DONE AND WE HAVE ALREADY SELECTED.
11:35:33AM FIRST STEP IS SELECTED A FIRM.
11:35:35AM TYPICALLY -- THESE TYPICAL NUMBERS, 12 TO 18 MONTHS FOR
11:35:39AM DESIGN AND PERMITTING AND ONE TO TWO YEARS FOR CONSTRUCTION
11:35:42AM DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS.
11:35:43AM >>LUIS VIERA: MY QUESTION IS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, LAST
11:35:45AM YEAR WE FUNDED -- DID WE FUND DESIGN FOR THIS LAST YEAR FOR
11:35:50AM STATION 24?
11:35:52AM >>RICHARD MUTTERBACK: CORRECT, WE USED THOSE DESIGNS IN THE
11:35:57AM SELECTION PROCESS.
11:35:58AM >>LUIS VIERA: AGAIN, I AM ASKING AS A LAYPERSON.
11:36:01AM WHY THE DELAY OF LAST YEAR WHEN WE FUNDED THAT TO RIGHT NOW.
11:36:05AM WHY ARE THINGS TAKING THE TIME THEY ARE TAKING BECAUSE
11:36:09AM PEOPLE WILL ASK THAT.
11:36:11AM >>RICHARD MUTTERBACK: I APOLOGIZE.
11:36:14AM I MISSPOKE.
11:36:15AM I AM MIXING PROJECTS NOW.
11:36:17AM THE DELAY IN JUST GETTING THE -- GETTING THE PACKAGE
11:36:21AM PREPARED TO GO BACK -- GETTING THAT DESIGN CRY TER REAR I
11:36:24AM CAN'T OUT PREPARED BASED ON INFORMATION PROVIDED, YOU KNOW,
11:36:28AM THAT INTERVIEW PROCESS WITH THE DEPARTMENT.
11:36:30AM AND THAT WE HAVE -- AND AS WE HAVE SPECIFIC DETAILS IN THAT
11:36:35AM SCOPE FOR THE PROJECT WHEN GO GO OUT TO RFQ.
11:36:41AM >>LUIS VIERA: WITH THE INFORMATION YOU HAVE, THE PROJECT
11:36:43AM STATION 24 THAT WE WILL HAVE GROUND BREAKING IN THE NEXT
11:36:47AM YEAR?
11:36:47AM HOW LONG WILL THAT TAKE?
11:36:50AM >>RICHARD MUTTERBACK: 12 TO 18 MONTHS FOR PERMITTING.
11:36:54AM >>LUIS VIERA: EXTRA YEAR AND A HALF?
11:36:57AM >>RICHARD MUTTERBACK: IT'S POSSIBLE.
11:37:00AM >>LUIS VIERA: YEAH, AND THE THIRD THING WE ARE LOOKING AT --
11:37:03AM WE ARE NOT HAVING A DISCUSS AND WE NEED TO, SOMETHING FOR
11:37:06AM DOWNTOWN TAMPA.
11:37:06AM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME SORT OF A FEASIBILITY STUDY OR
11:37:09AM SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN GET FLEET MAINTENANCE DONE BY THE
11:37:13AM TIME WE ARE OUT OF HERE.
11:37:14AM GET STATION 24 FROM THE TIME WE ARE OUT OF HERE AND WE HAVE
11:37:18AM AT LEAST LAID THE SEEDS OF SOMETHING IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA WE
11:37:25AM HAD DIFFERENT DISCUSSIONS.
11:37:26AM PUT UP ONE.
11:37:27AM PUT UP A MEDICAL-ONLY FACILITY IN THE CHANNELSIDE AREA.
11:37:30AM AGAIN, I AM NOT A TFR OR FIRE EXPERT.
11:37:35AM I WILL REFER TO NEW THAT REGARD.
11:37:37AM AND THINGS I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO DO.
11:37:39AM WE ARE A GROWING CITY, AS YOU KNOW.
11:37:41AM IN MY OPINION, WHEN I SAY WE ARE FALLING BEHIND.
11:37:44AM WE ARE FALLING BEHIND NOT BECAUSE OF YOU OR ANYBODY IN
11:37:48AM OFFICE OR ANYBODY HERE, POPULATION GROWTH THE LAST 15 TO 20
11:37:53AM YEARS, 25% INCREASE HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:37:58AM WE HAVE A NEW CITY WITHIN A CITY IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA.
11:38:00AM WEST TAMPA CONTINUES TO GROW.
11:38:02AM SOUTH TAMPA IS BOOMING AND GROWING.
11:38:03AM NEW TAMPA CONTINUES TO HAVE CHALLENGES.
11:38:06AM NORTH TAMPA NORTH TAMPA, INCLUDE STATION 24, FOURTH STATION
11:38:11AM FOR NEW OR NORTH TAMPA IN THE LAST FOUR TO SIX YEARS BECAUSE
11:38:14AM OF THE VAST POP EWE GROWTH.
11:38:18AM FOR ME THAT BIG OBVIOUSLY.
11:38:20AM I GO BACK TO THE IDEA OF REVENUE.
11:38:22AM A YEAR AGO I PROPOSED THE .3 MILLAGE INCREASE WILL CHOP DOWN
11:38:29AM THE MAYOR'S TAX, AND FOCUS IT 100% ON POLICE AND FIRE
11:38:34AM FIGHTERS.
11:38:34AM WHY IS THAT?
11:38:35AM BECAUSE WE NEED THOSE FUNDS.
11:38:37AM WE NEED THOSE FUNDS ON SOMETHING WE ARE RUNNING BEHIND ON SO
11:38:40AM WE CAN ACCELERATE THIS.
11:38:42AM AGAIN, FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THESE THINGS DONE
11:38:45AM OBVIOUSLY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
11:38:46AM OBVIOUSLY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
11:38:47AM AND THAT IS WHY I WILL BE MOTIONS TO HAVE THIS REPORT ON
11:38:53AM STATUS OF REAL ESTATE ACQUISITION DONE -- WHATEVER MY MEMO
11:38:56AM SAID, SOMETIME IN MID SEPTEMBER.
11:38:58AM ARE WE ALLOWED TO MAKE MOTIONS TODAY?
11:39:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
11:39:01AM >>LUIS VIERA: I WILL MAKE IT AT THE END.
11:39:04AM THAT'S IT FOR NOW.
11:39:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ROUGHLY 32 MONTHS BEFORE THE END OF THIS
11:39:10AM TERM.
11:39:10AM THAT IS THE TIMELINE.
11:39:12AM YOU KNOW, THE GENTLEMAN SAID ABOUT 18 MONTHS, 12 TO 18
11:39:15AM MONTHS.
11:39:15AM SO IT CAN FIT.
11:39:16AM YES, MA'AM.
11:39:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. MUTTERBACK
11:39:20AM FIRST.
11:39:20AM AND DON'T GO ANYWHERE CHIEF TRIPP, BECAUSE I HAVE MORE FOR
11:39:24AM YOU.
11:39:25AM FOLLOWING UP ON WHAT COUNCILMAN VIERA SAID, WE PUT THE
11:39:28AM FUNDING IN FOR DESIGN OF 24 IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET.
11:39:33AM BUT YOU ARE TELLING US THE DESIGN HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED?
11:39:38AM >>RICHARD MUTTERBACK: CORRECT.
11:39:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT HAPPENED IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS?
11:39:44AM >>RICHARD MUTTERBACK: WE PREPARED -- WE GOT -- WE GOT
11:39:49AM EVERYTHING PREPARED TO GO OUT TO -- TO PUBLIC FOR THE RFQ.
11:39:52AM WE WERE PREPARING -- INTERNALLY THAT DESIGN CRITERIA PACKAGE
11:39:57AM GOING BACK AND FORTH.
11:39:58AM THAT PROCESS STARTS WITH OUR ARCHITECTS INTERVIEWING THE
11:40:03AM FIRE DEPARTMENT.
11:40:03AM AND INCORPORATING FACILITIES AND, YOU KNOW, OTHER
11:40:06AM DEPARTMENTS AND COMING UP WITH THAT SCOPE AND DESIGN
11:40:10AM CRITERIA PACKAGE.
11:40:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU ARE TELLING US IT TAKES 12 MONTHS TO
11:40:15AM DEVELOP A SCOPE BY AND LARGE?
11:40:19AM >>RICHARD MUTTERBACK: NO, MA'AM.
11:40:21AM I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS AS FAR AS WHAT DELAYED GETTING IT
11:40:25AM OUT TO -- TO RFQ.
11:40:27AM I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER.
11:40:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
11:40:30AM BUT GENERAL LEAP SPEAKING, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE?
11:40:35AM >>RICHARD MUTTERBACK: IT COULD TAKE -- IT COULD TAKE TWO,
11:40:40AM THREE, FOUR MONTHS, IF NOT MORE, DEPENDING ON THE
11:40:43AM RESPONSIVENESS OF ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND
11:40:46AM DIVISIONS THAT WE ARE TALKING TO.
11:40:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
11:40:49AM I APPRECIATE THAT.
11:40:50AM THANK YOU.
11:40:51AM BACK TO CHIEF TRIPP.
11:40:54AM THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF QUESTION ABOUT FIRE FIGHTERS.
11:40:59AM AND THE NUMBER WE HAVE AND THE NUMBER WE ARE ALLOCATED.
11:41:04AM CAN YOU TELL ME RIGHT NOW ON THE STREET, HOW MANY ACTUAL
11:41:08AM FIRE FIGHTERS WE HAVE?
11:41:11AM >>CHIEF TRIPP: SWORN?
11:41:12AM I WANT TO SAY PROBABLY 150, 160ISH.
11:41:15AM WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING SOME MORE -- ADDITIONAL FIRE
11:41:20AM FIGHTERS.
11:41:20AM WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS NOW.
11:41:22AM SO I AM HOPING TO ADD 20 MORE.
11:41:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU MEAN 750?
11:41:27AM >>CHIEF TRIPP: I AM SORRY, YEAH.
11:41:29AM I CAN GET THE ACTUAL NUMBER.
11:41:31AM I WANT TO SAY ABOUT 750, 760, GIVE OR TAKE.
11:41:36AM I KNOW WE HAVE ABOUT 39 OPEN POSITIONS FROM THE 7934 THAT WE
11:41:41AM ARE ALLOTTED.
11:41:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION, ALLOTTED 793 FOR
11:41:48AM 2024?
11:41:50AM >>CHIEF TRIPP: YES, MA'AM.
11:41:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT IS THE ALLOCATION FOR 2025?
11:41:53AM >>CHIEF TRIPP: WELL, WE PUT IF NOR SAFER GRANT, WHICH IS --
11:41:57AM WOULD ASSIST WITH PERSONNEL.
11:41:59AM WE PUT IN FOR 18 ADDITIONAL FIRE FIGHTER POSITIONS.
11:42:03AM THAT WILL ASSIST WITH THE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES I AM TRYING
11:42:06AM TO ADD BECAUSE OF THE GROWTH.
11:42:08AM LIKE I SAID, IT HAS TAKEN TIME TO BUILD STATIONS.
11:42:12AM WHAT I AM TRYING TO DO, AS I STATED PREVIOUSLY, WE HAVE
11:42:15AM ABOUT FIVE STATIONS THAT CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE TRANSPORT
11:42:18AM UNITS.
11:42:19AM I GO BACK TO THE NUMBER AND THE MASTER PLAN AND THE NEED
11:42:22AM ANALYSIS THAT WE HAD COMPLETED IN '21.
11:42:26AM SO THIS ADMINISTRATION IS WORKING OFF THAT NEED ANALYSIS AND
11:42:30AM RECOMMENDATIONS WHICH ARE SHOWING.
11:42:32AM AND THE POINT IS, WE NEEDED TO ADD MORE RESOURCES.
11:42:34AM BY THAT, I PURCHASE TEN RESCUE CAR AS THE ONE TIME.
11:42:38AM I HAVE ANOTHER FIVE ON.
11:42:40AM ADDITIONAL UNITS TO ASSIST WITH THE TRANSPORT.
11:42:44AM THE ONLY THING WE DON'T HAVE -- TO ASSIST WITH THE NUMBERS
11:42:47AM AND THE CALL VOLUMES.
11:42:48AM DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO PUT THEM.
11:42:50AM BUT WILL PUT THEM IN CURRENT STATIONS NOW BECAUSE IT HAS
11:42:54AM TAKEN TIME TO BUILD STATIONS.
11:42:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, SO -- YOU CURRENTLY FROM 750 PEOPLE.
11:43:00AM IN 2024, AN AL OCCASION OF 739.
11:43:05AM THE 2025 ALLOCATION IS 811?
11:43:13AM >>CHIEF TRIPP: 793 PLUS 18 IF WE GET THAT.
11:43:16AM TIME SORRY.
11:43:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK: MY BACK-OF-THE-NAPKIN MATH.
11:43:20AM IT WAS 811.
11:43:22AM MY QUESTION THEN, I GUESS, TO CHIEF BENNETT WOULD BE,
11:43:28AM SIMILAR TO THE WAY THAT WE SAID THAT WE WERE GOING TO HIRE
11:43:34AM THOSE 30 POLICE OFFICERS LAST YEAR, WHETHER OR NOT WE GOT
11:43:39AM THE SAFER GRANT, I THOUGHT HE HAD DONE THE SAME THING
11:43:42AM FOR TPD -- OR FOR TFR, BUT CAN -- IS THERE A GUARANTEE THAT
11:43:48AM REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT WE GET THIS GRANT, WE WILL GET
11:43:51AM THOSE 18 POSITIONS SIMILAR TO WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR WITH
11:43:55AM -- WITH THE POLICE?
11:43:57AM >>JOHN BENNETT: IF I AM HEARING THE QUESTION -- JOHN
11:44:00AM BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
11:44:01AM IF I AM HEARING THE QUESTION RIGHT, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE
11:44:04AM SAFER GRANT, IS THE CITY IN A POSITION TO FUND 18 MORE
11:44:08AM POSITIONS?
11:44:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
11:44:09AM >>JOHN BENNETT: I WILL DEFER TO CHIEF TRIPP AND THE CFO, BUT
11:44:15AM I WOULD SAY WE ARE NOT IN THE POSITION TO GET THOSE WITHOUT
11:44:17AM THE GRANT.
11:44:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, THANK YOU.
11:44:20AM THEN -- SO WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS YOU HAVE FIVE CARS THAT
11:44:32AM ARE COMING THAT YOU ARE LOOK TO PUT IN FIVE DIFFERENT
11:44:35AM STATIONS.
11:44:36AM >>CHIEF TRIPP: YES, MA'AM.
11:44:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SOMETHING YOU SAID EARLIER, SOMETHING OF
11:44:40AM HAVING TEN RESCUE CARS ON ORDER?
11:44:42AM >>CHIEF TRIPP: NO, I ORDERED THEM BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN WE HAVE
11:44:46AM ONES THAT WERE OUTDATED AND WE WERE ADDING MORE RESOURCES.
11:44:49AM I WILL SAY THE BUDGET OF '21 AND '22.
11:44:53AM TEN ADDITIONAL RESCUE CARS TO REPLACE THE OUTDATED ONES WE
11:44:59AM HAD AND ADD THE ADDITION ALE RESOURCES.
11:45:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HAVE THEY COME TRIM TRIPP TEN HAVE COME AND
11:45:03AM FIVE MORE ON ORDER.
11:45:04AM MY GOAL IS TO TRY TO PUT THOSE CARS -- I AM HOPING TO GET
11:45:08AM THE SAFER GRANT TO ADD THE ADDITION PAL PERSONNEL OF THOSE
11:45:12AM UNITS ARE TO PUT IN THE STATIONS THAT DON'T HAVE TRANSPORT
11:45:15AM UNITS.
11:45:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE TEN WERE TO SIMPLY REPLACE THE OLD ONE.
11:45:18AM >>CHIEF TRIPP: REPLACE AND ADD, YES.
11:45:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE FIVE ON ORDER IS TO HELP EXPAND.
11:45:24AM >>CHIEF TRIPP: ADDITIONAL, YES.
11:45:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHERE ARE WE IN THE ACQUISITION?
11:45:30AM >>CHIEF TRIPP: THE TEN THAT COME IN ALREADY.
11:45:32AM THEY ARE NOT ON THE STREETS.
11:45:34AM THEY ARE GOING THROUGH -- THE PREDELIVERY INSPECTIONS THAT
11:45:37AM THEY ARE DOING.
11:45:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE HAVE THEM?
11:45:39AM >>CHIEF TRIPP: WE HAVE THEM.
11:45:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
11:45:41AM >>CHIEF TRIPP: THREE MORE THAT CAME FROM FISCAL YEAR '21
11:45:44AM BECAUSE OF THE MANUFACTURERS HAVING A DELAY AND SHOULD BE
11:45:48AM HERE IN OCTOBER.
11:45:48AM THE OTHER TWO WILL BE NEXT YEAR COMING IN.
11:45:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK: FOLLOWING THAT, HOW MANY ARE YOU ORDERING
11:45:56AM THIS YEAR?
11:45:57AM TRIM TRIPP FOR FISCAL YEAR 20 --
11:46:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK: 25.
11:46:02AM >>CHIEF TRIPP: 25, YET.
11:46:04AM I'M DOING A REPLACEMENT PLAN INTERNALLY TO REPLACE A LOT OF
11:46:08AM THOSE OUTDATED.
11:46:09AM DEPEND ON WHAT WE GET IN THE BUDGET.
11:46:12AM I ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING IN THE BUDGET BECAUSE GETTING
11:46:14AM $ 2 MILLION WITH THE CIP AND IT I ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL
11:46:18AM FUNDING FOR THE UNITS, RESCUE CARS, ENGINES AND TRUCKS.
11:46:22AM BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE COST OF IT HAS COST $2 .4 MILLION FOR
11:46:28AM A TRUCK.
11:46:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK: FOR A FIRE ENGINE.
11:46:31AM >>CHIEF TRIPP: A TRUCK, THE ONE WITH THE LADDER.
11:46:34AM ENGINES RUNNING $1 MILLION AND RESCUE CORES A LITTLE OVER 4
11:46:39AM MILLION.
11:46:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE CAN GET ONE ENGINE AND TWO RESCUE CAR'.
11:46:47AM >>CHIEF TRIPP: I NEED TO ORDER A TRUCK.
11:46:49AM THE DATE IS COMING UP.
11:46:52AM I ASKED FOR AN ADDITIONAL THREE TO HELP REPLACE THAT.
11:46:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK: MR. ROGERO, WERE WE ABLE TO HAVE THE
11:47:00AM ADDITIONAL $3 MILLION IN THE BUDGET FOR FIRE?
11:47:04AM SORRY, YOU WILL HAVE TO COME UP TO THE MIC.
11:47:07AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I WAS JUST LOOKING UP CONCURRENT WITH FIRE
11:47:13AM CHIEF, SHOWING $5.4 UNTIL TOTAL TO REPLACE FIRE VEHICLES.
11:47:17AM DOES THAT ACCOMMODATE YOUR -- I THOUGHT IT DID.
11:47:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM JUST DOUBLE CHECKING.
11:47:23AM I KNOW SHE KNOWS, BUT YOU -- YOU ARE THE -- YOU ARE THE GURU
11:47:27AM OF IT ALL.
11:47:27AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: TRYING.
11:47:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
11:47:30AM GOOD NEWS.
11:47:31AM WE ARE TO DO THAT.
11:47:35AM OTHER THING MR. ROGERO --
11:47:37AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I APOLOGIZE.
11:47:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAD SEVERAL -- SEVERAL CONVERSATION ABOUT
11:47:42AM THIS WITH -- WITH THE UNION AND THE FIRE CHIEF ABOUT --
11:47:47AM RIGHT NOW WE ONLY HAVE $400,000 IN THE CIP FOR FIRE STATION
11:47:51AM IMPROVEMENTS THIS YEAR?
11:47:53AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK.
11:47:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK: IT DOES.
11:47:55AM SHOWS $400,000.
11:47:57AM BUT IT HAS -- YOU KNOW, 12 MILLION, $11 MILLION FROM
11:48:02AM PREVIOUS YEARS.
11:48:03AM AND I JUST WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK RIGHT HERE, THAT THAT 12
11:48:08AM MILLION ALREADY THE MILLIONS THAT WE ALLOCATED IN PRIOR
11:48:11AM YEARS BUT HAVE NOT USED YET, IS THAT MONEY STILL THERE?
11:48:16AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES.
11:48:17AM I WILL DOUBLE CHECK.
11:48:18AM I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS DEAD ON.
11:48:21AM INDICATED IN THE REPORTS AS A REMAINING BALANCE, IT IS
11:48:25AM THERE.
11:48:25AM >>LYNN HURTAK: A LOT OF IT IS FOR STATION 24 AND FLEET AND
11:48:28AM SUPPLY THAT WE HAVEN'T SPENT THE MONEY, BUT WE WANTED TO
11:48:31AM DOUBLE CHECK THAT THE MONEY IS STILL THERE WAITING TO ARE
11:48:34AM USED.
11:48:34AM THANK YOU FOR THAT.
11:48:35AM AND CHIEF TRIPP, ON THAT, WE ONLY HAVE $400,000 FOR THESE
11:48:41AM STATIONS IMPROVEMENTS THIS YEAR.
11:48:43AM WHAT IMPROVEMENTS DO WE NEED OF THE OLDER FIRE STATIONS AND
11:48:48AM DO YOU NEED MORE THAN $400,000 TO DO IS THAT?
11:48:51AM >>CHIEF TRIPP: YES, DEFINITELY.
11:48:53AM SO AS I HAVE BEEN STATING, THESE STATIONS ARE OUTDATED 65
11:48:58AM YEARS OLD.
11:48:59AM AND THEY REALLY DON'T ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES WE
11:49:04AM PUT IN.
11:49:04AM SO FOR SOME OF THE STATIONS WE WENT IN AND DONE SOME
11:49:09AM REMODELING TO THE BATHROOMS AND THINGS.
11:49:11AM STATION NINE, FOR EXAMPLE, TWO STATION RUNNING OUT OF TWO
11:49:17AM BAY DOORS AND IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TOICS AND THAT OVER
11:49:20AM THE TIME.
11:49:20AM BUT A LOT OF THE STATIONS THAT ARE REALLY OUTDATED OR BUILT
11:49:25AM IN 58, I THINK WE NEED TO GO IN AND REMODEL AND BRING UP TO
11:49:29AM CODES AND STUFF AND MAKE SURE THE FIREFIGHTERS WERE LIVING
11:49:32AM IN DECENT FACILITIES.
11:49:33AM WITH THAT, HONESTLY I DON'T KNOW.
11:49:36AM I KNOW THE PRICE HAS WENT UP WHEN IT COMES TO CONCRETE, AND
11:49:40AM AS FAR AS LABOR FOR -- FOR REMODELING AND STATIONS AND STUFF
11:49:45AM LIKE THAT.
11:49:45AM WE DID STATION 25.
11:49:46AM AND OF COURSE WE SPENT RIGHT AT $1 MILLION TO REMODEL THAT
11:49:50AM STATION.
11:49:50AM SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS GOING TO COST $1 MILLION PER
11:49:54AM STATION TO REMODEL.
11:49:55AM BUT THE ONLY CHALLENGES WITH THAT, AS WELL, TOO, ME AND
11:50:01AM MISS COLINA HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT.
11:50:04AM AT SOME OF THE SEMINARS I HAVE BEEN ATTENDING PORTABLE FIRE
11:50:10AM STATIONS TO PUT -- RIGHT NOW I KNOW YOU GOT COMPLAINTS FROM
11:50:15AM PREVIOUS FIRE FIGHTERS OF THE CONDITIONS DOING WORK IN THE
11:50:17AM FIRE STATIONS AS FAR AS ABOUT EXPOSED TO DIFFERENT THINGS.
11:50:21AM A LOT OF DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES OUT THERE THAT WE CAN INVEST
11:50:25AM IN PORTABLE FIRE STATIONS UNTIL WE GET THROUGH, YOU KNOW,
11:50:28AM BUILDING ALL THE STATIONS.
11:50:29AM ONCE WE PURCHASE IT, WE CAN MOVE IT FROM STATION TO STATION.
11:50:32AM THE INDIVIDUALS WOULD BE SOMEWHERE COMFORTABLE AND NOT BEING
11:50:37AM EXPOSED TO SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION GOING ON.
11:50:39AM I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS TO SEE HOW
11:50:43AM WE CAN IMPROVE A LOT OF FIRE STATIONS.
11:50:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS ACTUALLY A GREAT QUESTION.
11:50:46AM MISS COLINA, YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH HER ON THIS THEN,
11:50:52AM THE FIRE STATIONS.
11:50:53AM >>ADRIANA COLINA: ABSOLUTELY.
11:50:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE PORTABLE.
11:50:56AM HOW DOES THAT WORK IN FLORIDA?
11:50:58AM >>ADRIANA COLINA: WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE MEETING WITH
11:51:00AM THAT VENDOR HERE SOON.
11:51:01AM IT WAS AN IDEA THAT CHIEF TRIPP BROUGHT BACK FROM A
11:51:04AM CONVENTION.
11:51:04AM WE ARE GOING TO SEE IF THAT IS GOING TO WORK.
11:51:07AM I WANT TO CLARIFY, WE HAVE ASKED A LOT MORE THAN THE
11:51:10AM $400,000 THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO.
11:51:11AM YOU MAY BE JUST LOOKING AT FIRE'S BUDGET.
11:51:15AM BUT FACILITIES, OUR LOGISTIC.
11:51:17AM WE ASKED FOR A LOT OF MONEY, AS CHIEF TRIPP MENTIONED
11:51:21AM OVERHEAD DOOR REPLACEMENT.
11:51:22AM WE ASKED FOR HVAC.
11:51:25AM WE ASKED FOR DRIVEWAY APRON REPAIRS AND A LOT OF OTHER
11:51:29AM REMODELLING.
11:51:30AM FY '21-'23 NOVEMBER TIME FRAME, INVESTED $7 MILLION IN FIRE
11:51:37AM STATIONS CITYWIDE.
11:51:38AM I TOLD YOU BEFORE AND IT IS WORTH SAYING AGAIN.
11:51:41AM WE INVESTED $80,000 OF DEEP CLEANING IN STATIONS THAT HAD
11:51:48AM NOT OCCURRED IN DECADES IF EVER.
11:51:50AM WE ARE VISITING EACH INDIVIDUAL STATION WORKING WITH OUR
11:51:54AM CUSTOMER TFR AND LAYING EYES ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
11:51:57AM A LOT MORE THAN $400,000 THAT WE ASKED FOR NEXT YEAR.
11:52:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, YES.
11:52:02AM AND I THINK THAT IS WHERE A LOT OF THE COULD BE FUSION GOES,
11:52:05AM WHAT IS IN A SILTS AND WHAT IS IN FIRE.
11:52:09AM >>ADRIANA COLINA: IT CAN BE CONFUSING, BUT AS I MENTIONED
11:52:12AM EARLIER WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS
11:52:16AM OF FACILITIES CITYWIDE.
11:52:18AM FIRE IS NO DIFFERENT.
11:52:19AM IT CAN BE CONFUSING.
11:52:22AM I COME TO YOU OPEN EVERY TIME.
11:52:23AM I SHARE YOU WITH WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
11:52:25AM WHAT WE HOPE TO DO.
11:52:26AM NOT EVERYTHING IS FUNDED.
11:52:28AM WE CAN'T FUND EVERYTHING.
11:52:30AM WE DO TRY.
11:52:31AM WE SHARE YOU WITH THE ONES THAT ARE IMPORTANT.
11:52:33AM I CAN TELL YOU THAT I GAVE MY BEST TO THE POSITION EVERY DAY
11:52:37AM AND PROUD OF THE JOB I HAVE DONE AND THE JOB I CONTINUE TO
11:52:40AM DO AND PROUD OF WAIT I SERVE MY CUSTOMERS.
11:52:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, ABSOLUTELY.
11:52:44AM GUESS MY QUESTION -- I LOOKED AND SEEN THE LINE ITEMS FOR
11:52:48AM THE DOORS AND AIR CONDITIONERS AND THE GENERATORS, ALL OF
11:52:52AM THAT, AND THE DRIVEWAY APRONS.
11:52:54AM WHAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN THE $400,000.
11:52:57AM THAT IS JUST LIKE SMALLER NATIONAL GO IN EACH STATION.
11:53:01AM OR A SPECIFIC -- I THINK THAT IS SORT OF THE QUESTION OF --
11:53:06AM THE OTHERS ARE MORE LINE ITEM BUT THE 400 SEEMS MORE BIG.
11:53:09AM >> YOU ARE TALKING OF THE ONE SPECIFICALLY IN
11:53:13AM FIRE'S BUDGET.
11:53:14AM >>ADRIANA COLINA: SOMETHING THAT CHIEF TRIPP CAN ANSWER TO.
11:53:17AM BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT SOME PROJECTS ARE SMALLER AND FIRE
11:53:20AM STATION NUMBER ONE A PROBABLY A GOOD EXAMPLE WHERE SHE
11:53:23AM RECEIVED FUNDING IN HER BUDGET, AND OPTED TO USE THE JOBS
11:53:27AM PROGRAM TO DO THAT.
11:53:28AM IT WASN'T FACILITIES TO DO THAT CONTRACTING.
11:53:31AM AND THOSE ARE THINGS SHE WANTS TO DO.
11:53:33AM WHAT I LOOK AT IS, WHAT DO I NEED TO DO CITYWIDE.
11:53:36AM I NEED TO SPREAD MY LOVE ACROSS THE CITY AND OUR FUNDING.
11:53:40AM BUT MAY BE OTHER ITEMS THAT OTHER DEPARTMENTS WANT TO DO.
11:53:43AM AND SO THEY REQUEST THOSE.
11:53:46AM HE.
11:53:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK: IF WE WERE GOING TO DO -- SO WHAT -- -- THIS
11:53:53AM IS GOING TO SOUND WEIRD.
11:53:55AM WOULD A POP-UP FIRE STATION SOMETHING BECOME PUT ON ANY LOT?
11:53:59AM OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE CONNECTED TO A CURRENT FIRE STATION?
11:54:02AM >>ADRIANA COLINA: TO WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL OF THAT.
11:54:04AM LIKE I SAID, WE ARE MEETING WITH -- NOT SOMETHING WE
11:54:07AM CURRENTLY HAVE.
11:54:08AM LOOKING WHAT SPACE DO WE NEED.
11:54:10AM WHAT IF ANYTHING WE NEED.
11:54:13AM WHAT KIND OF SET-UP WE NEED.
11:54:15AM WE DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER AND HOPING TO MEET WITH THIS
11:54:19AM PERSON IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS AND LEARN.
11:54:21AM JUST AN IDEA.
11:54:22AM WENT TO THE CITY OF ST. PETE AND ORLANDO, WE KIND OF SEE
11:54:26AM WHAT IS OUT THERE.
11:54:27AM WHAT ARE BEST PRACTICES.
11:54:28AM AND ASSESS TO SEE IF IT IS A VIABLE OPTION FOR US.
11:54:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK: ARE OTHER PEOPLE USING THESE?
11:54:35AM >>CHIEF TRIPP: THEY ARE.
11:54:36AM WE HAD SOME SET UP WITH THE CONVENTION THAT THEY HAD.
11:54:39AM I SAW IT AT THE LAST CONVENTION I WENT TO.
11:54:42AM THEY COME OUT AND THEY SET IT UP AND DIFFERENT PODS THAT
11:54:46AM THEY CAN CONNECT TOGETHER DEPENDING ON WHAT YOUR NEEDS ARE.
11:54:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT SOUNDS INTERESTING.
11:54:50AM ALSO SOUNDS -- I DON'T EVEN WANT -- I DO SORT OF WANT TO ASK
11:54:55AM OF THE COST AND SEEMS LIKE YOU ARE NOT IN THAT AREA YET IF
11:54:58AM YOU ARE TRYING TO LEARN ALL THE OTHER PARTS, SO WE --
11:55:01AM >>CHIEF TRIPP: IT IS PRETTY MUCH AND PURCHASE IT, AND IT IS
11:55:04AM JUST TO KEEP.
11:55:05AM BASICALLY YOU CAN -- ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE MULTIPLE
11:55:07AM STATIONS THAT YOU NEED TO DO SOME SERIOUS REMODELING AND
11:55:10AM REPAIRS ON.
11:55:11AM IT IS PRETTY MUCH YOURS TO KEEP.
11:55:13AM I THINK HE TOLD ME THE LIFESPAN.
11:55:15AM IT WAS, LIKE, 20 YEARS.
11:55:17AM BUT SOMETHING -- JUST STARTED LOOKING AT TO TRY TO, YOU
11:55:22AM KNOW, SEE ABOUT HELPING OUT.
11:55:23AM >>ADRIANA COLINA: AT THIS POINT WE HAVE A QUOTE TO PURCHASE
11:55:28AM AND RENTAL AND WE ARE PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT BOTH.
11:55:31AM WE ARE NOT SURE IF EITHER WILL WORK FOR US AND THEN TALK
11:55:34AM FROM THERE.
11:55:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT SOUNDS A LITTLE OUTSIDE-THE-BOX
11:55:40AM CONSIDERATION.
11:55:40AM WE ARE TALKING A LOT OF OUTSIDE THE BOX BUT THAT IS IS
11:55:45AM REALLY NIGHT.
11:55:46AM MR. ROGERO.
11:55:48AM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, COUNCIL, DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF
11:55:51AM FINANCIAL OFFICER.
11:55:51AM [NO ENCODER]
11:56:27AM >> -- $15 MILLION.
11:56:28AM WE TOOK THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY -- ADRI AND HER TEAM AND
11:56:33AM CHIEF TRIPP HAD MEET WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY WHO BUILT
11:56:36AM THREE IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS.
11:56:37AM THEY TOOK TRIP TO ORLANDO, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE ELSE,
11:56:41AM LOOKING AT OTHER STATIONS, OTHER FACILITIES.
11:56:43AM WE REACHED OUT TO OUR -- TO FIRMS.
11:56:46AM WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD A PRECISE -- MORE PRECISE AND
11:56:50AM REASONABLE BUDGET TO BRING FORTH TO PUT FORTH IN THAT -- AND
11:56:56AM WITH -- WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE PAST.
11:56:58AM WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DESIGN CRITERIA PACKAGE WAS
11:57:02AM SPECIFIC ENOUGH AND THIS RFQ REPRESENTED A NUMBER THAT WE
11:57:05AM FELT CONFIDENT IN SO BE ABLE TO BUILD THAT FOR.
11:57:09AM THANK YOU.
11:57:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK: DO YOU WANT TO SHARE THAT NUMBER?
11:57:15AM >>RICHARD MUTTERBACK: I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME.
11:57:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO WORRIES.
11:57:20AM >>RICHARD MUTTERBACK: I WILL BE BACK IN TWO MINUTES.
11:57:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF NOTHING ELSE?
11:57:23AM OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:57:24AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:57:27AM THE DEER IN THE HEADLIGHTS LOOK.
11:57:29AM I GET THAT ALL THE TIME ON LEGAL CASES.
11:57:31AM SOMETIMES YOU HAVE SO MUCH DIFFERENT WORLDS IN YOUR MIND AND
11:57:39AM JUST REALLY FAST, A COUPLE OF THINGS.
11:57:41AM I WOULD STRESS TO THE CITY THAT PER THESE PROJECTS, FLEET
11:57:44AM MAINTENANCE IN '24.
11:57:46AM WE SET OUT THE BOND FOR THEM WHEN, AGAIN, THE REVENUE SOURCE
11:57:51AM OF .3 WHICH WOULD BE $5 A MONTH FOR THE AVERAGE HOUSE HOLD
11:57:56AM IN TAMPA.
11:57:56AM WHEN THAT FAILED FOR CITY COUNCIL.
11:58:00AM I PUSHED ON BOND AND CHIEF TRIPP YOU AGREE AND DONNIE WITH
11:58:06AM LOCAL 754, YOU AGREE.
11:58:08AM AND THINGS THAT ARE NECESSARY.
11:58:09AM YOU GOT TO THE GET IT DONE PAY FOR IT.
11:58:12AM BOND IT.
11:58:12AM A HYBRID.
11:58:13AM WHATEVER THIS IS GOING TO BE.
11:58:15AM I ASK ABOUT THAT BY THE TIME WE LEAVE IN 2027, BECAUSE THESE
11:58:19AM ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
11:58:21AM I KNOW I AM PREACHING TO THE CHOIR.
11:58:23AM BUT THEY ARE BONDED AND LET'S GET THEM DONE AS SOON AS
11:58:28AM POSSIBLE.
11:58:28AM THE CAD SYSTEM, I FORGET TO ASK OF THAT, WHERE ARE WE IN
11:58:32AM THAT PROCESS, MAY I ASK?
11:58:34AM >>CHIEF TRIPP: TO GO THROUGH THE S.O.W. THE SCOPE OF WORK WITH
11:58:38AM THE VENDOR.
11:58:39AM WE HAVE SELECTED THE VENDOR.
11:58:41AM AND HOPING WE CAN START IMPLEMENTING BEFORE THE END OF THE
11:58:44AM YEAR.
11:58:44AM >>LUIS VIERA: GREAT.
11:58:45AM THANK YOU, MA'AM.
11:58:45AM QUICK QUESTION.
11:58:46AM FOR THE FOLKS, THE PERSONNEL WORKING AT STATION 24, THAT
11:58:51AM WILL BE PERCEIVABLY REQUESTED IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET?
11:58:56AM >>CHIEF TRIPP: SORRY?
11:58:57AM >>LUIS VIERA: THE FIRE FIGHTERS AT 24.
11:58:59AM WILL THAT BE A BUDGET ASK FOR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET?
11:59:03AM >>CHIEF TRIPP: THE STAFFED AT STATION 13 IS FOR 24.
11:59:05AM THAT WILL BE MOVED.
11:59:06AM BASICALLY MORE OF A SHUFFLE GAME.
11:59:08AM I REMOVE RESOURCE OUT OF STATION 13 TO ACCOMMODATE STATION
11:59:12AM 24 BEING THERE.
11:59:13AM SO ONCE THAT HAPPENED, THEN ONCE AGAIN, I AM GOING TO LOOK
11:59:17AM AT MY NUMBERS AGAIN, A BECAUSE THIS STATION WILL BE BIG
11:59:22AM ENOUGH TO ADD ADDITIONAL RESOURCES AS NEEDED.
11:59:25AM WE WILL LOOK AT OUR NUMBERS.
11:59:26AM AND USE THE PERSONNEL.
11:59:27AM LIKE I SAID, I ASK EVERY YEAR TO TRY TO GET ADDITIONAL
11:59:30AM PERSONNEL AND THE SAFER GRANT.
11:59:33AM HAS BEEN ABLE TO HELP US OUT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
11:59:37AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:59:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SNICK WHY HE?
11:59:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN I DO A QUICK FOLLOW-UP BEFORE HE COMES
11:59:43AM UP.
11:59:44AM ACTUALLY GO ARE QR AHEAD, MR. MUTTERBACK.
11:59:48AM I WILL ASK HIM.
11:59:48AM >>RICHARD MUTTERBACK: $13 MILLION TO $19 MILLION IS THE
11:59:57AM ESTIMATE.
11:59:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK: BETTER THAN $24 MILLION.
12:00:00PM THAT WAS ON THE TABLE AT ONE POINT.
12:00:02PM AND THEN -- I GUESS I NEED TO GET BACK TO THIS AFTER CHIEF
12:00:08PM BENNETT SPOKE, BUT THE -- THE REQUEST -- FROM WHAT IT
12:00:20PM SOUNDED LIKE, 793 FIRE FIGHTERS FOR 24, AND THEN YOU ARE
12:00:25PM ONLY GOING TO HAVE -- WE ARE NOT INCREASING THE NUMBER OF
12:00:28PM FIRE FIGHTERS THEN?
12:00:29PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: IF WE DON'T GET THE SAFER GRANT, NO.
12:00:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, THANK YOU.
12:00:33PM I WOULD JUST CHALLENGE US -- WE NEED TO FIND SOME MONEY
12:00:37PM SOMEWHERE IF WE DON'T GET THAT GRANT.
12:00:39PM THANK YOU.
12:00:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I AM GOING TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
12:00:43PM YES, MA'AM.
12:00:43PM STATE YOUR NAME.
12:00:45PM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
12:00:51PM THIS IS PICKING MY NEW FAVORITE PAGE.
12:00:53PM I DON'T EVEN NEED A JOB.
12:00:55PM THE ONLY PLACE ON THE CITY OF TAMPA EMPLOYMENT -- IF YOU PUT
12:01:01PM CITY OF TAMPA JOBS, FIRE COMES UP IS FOR THE FIRE MARSHAL.
12:01:08PM IF WE ARE SHORT FIRE FIGHTERS, HOW COME WE DON'T HAVE AN
12:01:11PM APPLICATION UP THERE FOR FIRE FIGHTERS.
12:01:12PM JUST SAYING.
12:01:13PM I MEAN, I AM KIND OF CONFUSED.
12:01:15PM YOU KNOW I -- ALL THE DIFFERENCE PLACES I GO, I SEE LOTS OF
12:01:22PM FIRE STATIONS THAT ARE MADE OUT OF WHAT THEY CALL POLE BARNS
12:01:25PM WITH THE METAL BUILDINGS.
12:01:27PM I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE TO SPEND FIVE GAZILLION
12:01:32PM DOLLARS TO GET SOMETHING IN THERE IN ORDER TO DO THE JOB
12:01:35PM THAT WE NEED.
12:01:36PM I MEAN IN MICHIGAN, THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE.
12:01:40PM EVERY CITY HAS -- I CALL THEM POLE BARNS, BUT THEY ARE METAL
12:01:44PM BUILDINGS, AND THAT IS WHAT THEIR FIRE STATIONS ARE.
12:01:47PM I MEAN, IF THEY CAN WITHSTAND THE COLD AND THE HEAT THERE,
12:01:51PM THEN WHY CAN'T WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT INSTEAD OF SPENDING
12:01:55PM $14 MILLION OR $19 MILLION OR WHATEVER.
12:01:58PM I AM VERY CONCERNED WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FIRE FIGHTERS IN
12:02:00PM THE CITY AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY ADS UP FOR THE FIRE FIGHTERS.
12:02:04PM IT IS FUNNY BECAUSE I REALLY ONLY HAVE BEEN LOOKING A THIS
12:02:08PM BECAUSE LOOKING AT THE LAND USE POSITIONS I WANTED TO SEE
12:02:10PM AND CHIEF BENNETT AND I ARE GOING BACK AND FORTH AND I
12:02:15PM FINALLY FOUND IT AND THEY ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHERS.
12:02:17PM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME FIRE FIGHTER POSITION ADVERTISED.
12:02:20PM YOU CAN'T GET PEOPLE TO APPLY IF THEY DON'T KNOW WE NEED
12:02:25PM THEM.
12:02:25PM SORRY.
12:02:26PM ONCE AGAIN, WE ARE UP HERE TALKING -- WE HAD $40 MILLION PUT
12:02:31PM ASIDE FOR TPD, BUT WE STILL HAVEN'T BROKEN GROUND ON THE
12:02:37PM FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT WAS PROMISED IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET.
12:02:40PM IT IS LIKE GROUNDHOG HERE DAY.
12:02:42PM I KEEP COMING HERE AND TALKING OF THE SAME CRAP OVER AND
12:02:45PM OVER AGAIN.
12:02:46PM WHY CAN'T WE GET IT DONE?
12:02:48PM I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.
12:02:49PM BY GOD, HANNA STREET WAS THE MOST AMAZING THING I HAVE EVER
12:02:53PM SEEN.
12:02:53PM IN MY ENTIRE LIFE, I NEVER SEEN A BUILDING GO UP THAT
12:02:57PM QUICKLY AND BUILT THAT QUICKLY, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, I
12:03:01PM WANT MY OWN PERSONAL TIMELINE WHAT HAPPENS IN THIS CITY,
12:03:04PM BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE HANNA STREET WAS APPROVED RIGHT
12:03:07PM ABOUT THE SAME TIME AS THIS FIRE STATION THAT WE STILL
12:03:10PM HAVEN'T EVEN TURNED ONE LITTLE SPOONFUL OF DIRT.
12:03:14PM NOT EVEN A SHOVEL, BUT A SPOONFUL OF DIRT ON.
12:03:16PM WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THE PROBLEM?
12:03:20PM WHY -- WHY IS TFR THE RED-HEADED STEPCHILD OF THE CITY?
12:03:27PM THEY CAN'T GET ANYTHING DONE.
12:03:28PM CHIEF TRIPP IS ORDERING STUFF AND IT IS NOT HERE.
12:03:31PM CHIEF TRIPP IS TRYING TO BUY A BUILDING.
12:03:33PM TRYING TO BUY LAND.
12:03:34PM OH, BY GOD, EIGHT ACRES FOR A REN SICKIC LAB.
12:03:39PM ONE BUILDING THAT ONE FLOOR IS COMPLETELY EMPTY.
12:03:41PM WE HAVE HANNA STREET THAT IS NOT CLOSE TO BEING FULL.
12:03:45PM YOU HANG OUT THERE FOR AN ENTIRE DAY AND SEE HOW EMPTY THAT
12:03:49PM BUILDING IS.
12:03:50PM WHY ARE WE GOING TO BUILD ANYTHING ELSE FOR OFFICE SPACE?
12:03:55PM EVERYWHERE ELSE -- THEY SOLD THE BIGGEST OFFICE SPACE IN THE
12:03:58PM CITY OF TAMPA A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO FOR, LIKE, 20 MILLION.
12:04:01PM IT WAS RIDICULOUS.
12:04:02PM YET WE SPEND $140 MILLION ON OURS.
12:04:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:04:07PM ANYONE ELSE HERE NOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
12:04:09PM COUNCILMAN VIERA, DID YOU WANT TO MAKE SOME MOTION AS SOON
12:04:12PM AS.
12:04:12PM >>LUIS VIERA: VERY QUICK, IF I MAY, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
12:04:16PM WE SENT A MEMO ON THIS.
12:04:18PM WE HAD AN OCTOBER 3 OF THIS YEAR.
12:04:20PM I WAS ASKING FOR TFR AND REAL ESTATE TO PROVIDE A REPORT AND
12:04:25PM STATUS OF QUALITY FOR ACQUISITION OF FLEET MAINTENANCE IN
12:04:28PM '24 FOR PURPOSE OF BUDGET TO HAVE FULL INFORMATION.
12:04:32PM LIKE TO HAVE THAT ON SEPTEMBER 5.
12:04:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
12:04:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION ON COUNCILMAN VIERA TO MOVE THAT
12:04:37PM AROUND.
12:04:37PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:04:38PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
12:04:39PM OPPOSED?
12:04:40PM >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I.
12:04:41PM THIS IS TIME SENSITIVE.
12:04:42PM A COMMENDATION.
12:04:43PM THEN TELL YOU WHAT, THAT'S FINE.
12:04:49PM I WILL SAY FOR TRANSPARENCY OF COUNCIL.
12:04:52PM I ALREADY MOTIONED FOR THIS BEFORE BUT MICHAEL HUTNER
12:04:57PM RETIRING FROM THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT AFTER 25 YEARS, WE
12:04:59PM COULDN'T GET HIM ON THE AGENDA FOR AUGUST 22.
12:05:01PM I HAD TO WITHDRAW THE MOTION BECAUSE OF THE TIME.
12:05:04PM SO I WILL BE MOTIONING JUST FOR TRANSPARENCY WITH COUNCIL TO
12:05:08PM HAVE HIM HAVE A COMMENDATION WHICH WE WILL BE GIVING HIM
12:05:12PM BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AT 315 HERE EAST KENNEDY.
12:05:15PM SO, AGAIN, I WILL BE MOTIONING FOR IT BUT I NEVER LIKE TO
12:05:19PM GIVE COMMENDATIONS WITHOUT TELLING COUNCIL.
12:05:21PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHEN THAT THAT.
12:05:23PM >>LUIS VIERA: AUGUST 22, SAME DAY BEFORE COUNCIL.
12:05:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IN COMING THURSDAY?
12:05:30PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
12:05:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU ARE INFORMING COUNCIL THAT YOU WILL BE
12:05:33PM HAVING THE COMMENDATION.
12:05:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA.
12:05:36PM KIND OF LIKE DOING IT OFF-SITE.
12:05:39PM >>LUIS VIERA: OFF-SITE TECHNICALLY.
12:05:41PM I SAY THAT BECAUSE I AM GOING TO INVITE COUNCILMEMBERS.
12:05:43PM SINCE BEING DONE IN THREE DAY AND I WILL BE MOTIONING FOR IT
12:05:46PM THAT EVENING.
12:05:47PM AGAIN, NO ONE IS OBJECTING TO IT.
12:05:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DO YOU WANT TO ANNOUNCE IT AGAIN PUBLICLY
12:05:52PM SO COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC KNOW IF THAT IS GOING TO BE THE
12:05:56PM CASE.
12:05:57PM >>LUIS VIERA: WHAT I HAVE DONE, I HAVE DONE.
12:05:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANKS, SORRY.
12:06:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND COUNCILMAN
12:06:02PM MIRANDA.
12:06:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR CHIEF TRIPP ABOUT
12:06:08PM -- ABOUT THE -- ABOUT THE FIRE STATION OR THE FIRE FIGHTER.
12:06:13PM WHY AREN'T THEY ON THE -- WHY -- WHY AREN'T THE -- WHY DON'T
12:06:20PM WE HAVE ANY OPENINGS ON THE WEB SITE?
12:06:22PM TRIPLE-DIGIT TEMPERATURES TRIPP SO THE WAY IT WORKS IS
12:06:24PM BECAUSE WHENEVER YOU GET HIRED FOR THESE TYPE OF POSITIONS,
12:06:28PM IT COMES IN SPURTS.
12:06:29PM WHEN I SAY IT SPANS, BECAUSE IF WE KEEP IT OPEN, THAT
12:06:33PM APPLICATION WILL STAY OPEN UP UNTIL IT IS TIME FOR US TO
12:06:37PM HIRE AGAIN.
12:06:37PM SINCE I HAVE BEEN IN THIS POSITION, I HAVE BEEN HIRING AT
12:06:40PM LEAST THREE TIMES A YEAR.
12:06:41PM BASICALLY WE OPEN IT ONCE WE GET A GOOD SELECTION OF
12:06:45PM NUMBERS.
12:06:45PM WE ARE INTERVIEW THEM.
12:06:46PM BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH SO MANY DIFFERENT CRY TERRY
12:06:49PM AREAS TO GET HIRED CAN TAMPA.
12:06:51PM IF AN INDIVIDUAL PUT THEIR APPLICATION IN TODAY, THEY MIGHT
12:06:54PM NOT GET CALLED UNTIL DECEMBER, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT
12:06:57PM PROCESS GOING, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO THE PHYSICAL, WITH THE
12:07:01PM PENSION.
12:07:01PM WE HAVE TO DO THE POLYGRAPH TEST.
12:07:03PM THE PSYCHE TEST.
12:07:06PM THE MEDICAL EXAM.
12:07:07PM WE DO THAT IN COMBINATION WITH WORKING WITH OTHER
12:07:10PM DEPARTMENTS.
12:07:10PM I CAN'T SEND THEM ONESIES AND TWOSIES AT A TIME TO HAVE BE
12:07:19PM THIS COMPLETE TODAY BE HIRED.
12:07:20PM WE HIRE IN SECTIONS.
12:07:21PM LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT THREE FOUR TIMES A
12:07:26PM YEAR.
12:07:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK: DO YOU NEED MORE RESOURCES TO OPEN IT UP MORE
12:07:29PM OFTEN?
12:07:31PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: EVEN IF WE OPEN IT UP, ONE PERSON OR TWO
12:07:35PM PEOPLE.
12:07:35PM GO THROUGHOUT INTERVIEW.
12:07:36PM AND THEN SCHEDULE FOR THE POLYGRAPH TEST.
12:07:39PM AND THAT CLASS MAY NOT START, YOU KNOW, UNTIL DECEMBER.
12:07:42PM SO THAT MEANS THAT INDIVIDUAL WILL BE SITTING AND WAITING
12:07:45PM AND A LOT OF TIMES WE GET PEOPLE TO DROP OUT BECAUSE OUR
12:07:49PM PROCESS TAKES SO LONG.
12:07:50PM USED TO TAKE EIGHT MONTHS.
12:07:51PM I HAVE CUT IT DOWN TO THREE, NO MORE THAN FOUR MONTHS NOW.
12:07:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK: IS THAT NORMAL FOR MOST DEPARTMENTS?
12:07:59PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: VARIES.
12:08:00PM SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR FIRE FIGHTERS.
12:08:04PM SOME OF THE DEPARTMENTS DON'T HAVE THE SAME REQUIREMENTS.
12:08:07PM THAT IS ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS THAT KIND OF DELAYED THE
12:08:10PM PROCESS.
12:08:11PM AS SOON AS WE OPEN APPLICATIONS UP, WE INTERVIEW.
12:08:15PM GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND GET THEM SCHEDULED.
12:08:17PM THE CLASS WE JUST INTERVIEWED IN JULY -- AUGUST.
12:08:20PM JULY.
12:08:21PM THEY ARE ACTUALLY COMING ON IN SEPTEMBER.
12:08:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS A QUICK TURN AROUND.
12:08:25PM >>CHIEF TRIPP: THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING.
12:08:29PM WHERE THE POSITION OPEN AGAIN IN SEPTEMBER.
12:08:32PM OCTOBER WE ARE GOING TO OPEN IT UP AGAIN.
12:08:37PM SO MANY DEPARTMENTS WE HAVE TO CORRESPOND WITH, HR, TPD, THE
12:08:44PM HOSPITALS FOR THE PHYSICALS, THE MEDICAL DOCTORS FOR THE
12:08:48PM PSYCHE TEST.
12:08:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, THANK YOU.
12:08:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:08:52PM WE ARE ADJOURNED.
12:08:53PM MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE -- A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
12:08:56PM VIERA.
12:08:57PM SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:08:58PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
12:08:59PM ANY OPPOSED?
12:09:00PM WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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