TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, AUGUST 22, 2024, 9:00 A.M.
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9:01:24AM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
9:01:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
9:01:26AM I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO
9:01:28AM ORDER.
9:01:28AM AT THIS TIME, I YIELD TO COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA FOR TODAY'S
9:01:30AM INVOCATION.
9:01:31AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
9:01:32AM IT IS MY GREAT PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE CHAPLAIN AND PASTOR
9:01:36AM KERRY NANCE WHO IS A TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT CHAPLAIN AND
9:01:40AM PASTURE OF SOUTHSIDE BAPTIST CHURCH.
9:01:43AM HE WAS BORN IN RUSTIN, LOUISIANA, TO PASTOR AND MRS. RUBIN
9:01:47AM NANCE.
9:01:48AM HE MARRIED HIS WIFE AMY IN 1993 WITH WHOM SHE HAS THREE
9:01:53AM CHILDREN.
9:01:54AM BOTH HE AND AMY'S FATHERS ARE BOTH BAPTIST PASTORS.
9:01:57AM HE CAME TO BECOME A CHRISTIAN AT THE AGE OF 4 AT THE
9:02:00AM LANDMARK BAPTIST CHURCH IN HAINES CITY, FLORIDA, AND WAS
9:02:04AM CALLED TO PREACH AT THE AGE OF 15 AT A CHRISTIAN SCHOOL
9:02:07AM RETREAT.
9:02:07AM SO PLEASE RISE IF YOU ARE ABLE TO DO SO FOR THE INVOCATION
9:02:11AM AND STAY STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE.
9:02:14AM GO AHEAD, SIR.
9:02:16AM >> WELL, LET'S PRAY.
9:02:17AM OUR FATHER, WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE
9:02:21AM HERE.
9:02:21AM WE THANK YOU, LORD, FOR YOUR FAVOR AND YOUR GRACE TO US.
9:02:25AM LORD, TODAY, AS WE COME UPON THIS DAY, WE THANK YOU FOR THE
9:02:29AM CITY OF TAMPA AND, LORD, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT YOU HAVE BLESSED
9:02:32AM THIS CITY IN A GREAT WAY.
9:02:34AM LORD, WE DO ASK THAT YOU WOULD CONTINUE TO PUT YOUR HAND OF
9:02:38AM FAVOR UPON US.
9:02:39AM WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD BE WITH OUR MAYOR AND, LORD, WITH THE
9:02:42AM CITY COUNCIL MEN.
9:02:44AM LORD, AS THEY MAKE DECISIONS AND AS THEY GOVERN AND AS THEY
9:02:48AM HANDLE SO MANY THINGS, I PRAY, LORD, THAT YOU WOULD BLESS
9:02:51AM THEM WITH WISDOM, WITH KNOWLEDGE, WITH UNDERSTANDING.
9:02:55AM LORD, I KNOW THAT THERE'S PROBABLY GREAT WEIGHTS THAT THEY
9:02:58AM CARRY.
9:03:01AM HELP THEM AND GIVE THEM GRACE THAT THEY HAVE AND THAT THEY
9:03:06AM NEED.
9:03:06AM BLESS THEIR FAMILIES.
9:03:07AM LORD, WE DON'T KNOW THE INDIVIDUAL CRISIS OR STRUGGLES,
9:03:11AM LORD, THAT MAY BE BEHIND THE SCENES.
9:03:13AM BUT I PRAY, LORD, THAT YOU WOULD BE WITH THEM AND BE WITH
9:03:16AM THEIR STAFF.
9:03:16AM LORD, I KNOW THAT THEY ARE VIGILANT, LORD, AS THEY HELP THEM
9:03:21AM AS WELL.
9:03:21AM GOD, WE DO PRAY FOR OUR CITY.
9:03:23AM WE THINK OF THE FIRST RESPONDERS AND OUR POLICE AND FIREMEN
9:03:27AM THAT ARE CONSTANTLY ON THOSE FRONT LINES.
9:03:30AM WE ASK, LORD, FOR GRACE AND PROTECTION UPON THEM.
9:03:33AM LORD, WE DO KNOW THAT AT ANY TIME, LORD, THERE COULD BE
9:03:37AM CRISIS OR DANGER, BUT WE DO UNDERSTAND, LORD, THAT YOU HAVE
9:03:40AM SHOWN GREAT MERCY TO US.
9:03:41AM LORD, EVEN AS WE COME UPON THE HURRICANE SEASON, LORD, WE DO
9:03:45AM PRAY, LORD, YOU WOULD PUT A PROTECTION ABOUT THIS CITY AND
9:03:48AM THAT YOU WOULD SHOW US KINDNESS.
9:03:49AM LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR FATEFULNESS AND HOW MUCH YOU
9:03:55AM LOVE US EVERY DAY.
9:03:56AM WE THANK YOU, LORD, FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.
9:03:58AM THANK YOU FOR JESUS CHRIST AND, LORD, FOR HIS CARE TO US.
9:04:02AM IT IS IN HIS NAME WE PRAY, AMEN.
9:04:04AM [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:04:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S DO ROLL CALL.
9:04:20AM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
9:04:22AM >> HURTAK?
9:04:22AM CLENDENIN?
9:04:23AM HENDERSON?
9:04:24AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT.
9:04:25AM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
9:04:25AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
9:04:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
9:04:28AM >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
9:04:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:04:30AM MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE MINUTES FROM AUGUST 1st
9:04:33AM AND THEN THE EVENING SESSION OF AUGUST 8, 2024.
9:04:35AM WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
9:04:37AM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:04:39AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:04:39AM AYE.
9:04:40AM LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK IS HERE.
9:04:42AM I HAVE A MEMO FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN THAT HE WILL BE
9:04:47AM ABSENT AT TODAY'S MEETING.
9:04:50AM WE'LL SUBMIT THAT INTO THE RECORD.
9:04:51AM MR. SHELBY, DO YOU WANT TO REVIEW THE RULES AND PROCEDURES
9:04:55AM FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME OR WAIT UNTIL THEN?
9:04:58AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, WE CAN DO IT NOW, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:05:00AM THANK YOU.
9:05:00AM GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL.
9:05:02AM MARTIN SHELBY, THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
9:05:04AM THIS MORNING, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN A
9:05:07AM REASONABLE OPPORTUNITY AT TODAY'S MEETING TO ADDRESS ANY
9:05:09AM ITEM ON THE AGENDA BEFORE CITY COUNCIL TAKES OFFICIAL ACTION
9:05:12AM ON AN ITEM.
9:05:13AM A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT APPLIES TO ALL SPEAKERS PROVIDING
9:05:16AM FOR PUBLIC COMMENT DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:05:19AM AGAIN, IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT,
9:05:23AM PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND PLACE IT IN THE BOX
9:05:26AM OUTSIDE THESE CHAMBERS.
9:05:28AM ONE CARD PER SPEAKER.
9:05:29AM CARDS WILL BE ACCEPTED UNTIL THE START OF GENERAL PUBLIC
9:05:32AM COMMENT AND EACH PERSON SUBMITTING A CARD WILL BE RECOGNIZED
9:05:35AM BY NAME TO APPROACH AND SPEAK.
9:05:37AM NAMES THAT CANNOT BE READ WILL NOT BE CALLED.
9:05:40AM PLEASE PRINT LEGIBLY.
9:05:42AM NOW, IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK TODAY AT A PUBLIC HEARING,
9:05:45AM IT'S DESIGNATED AS A PUBLIC HEARING ON YOUR AGENDA, USE THE
9:05:49AM SIGN-IN SHEET AT THE LECTERN OUTSIDE INSTEAD.
9:05:52AM IF YOU NEED ASSISTANCE, THERE IS CITY STAFF AVAILABLE TO
9:05:55AM ASSIST YOU.
9:05:56AM NOW, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE ALSO REMINDED THAT YOU ARE TO
9:05:59AM REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING MAKING VULGAR OR
9:06:03AM THREATENING REMARKS OR MAKING OR CAUSING DISRUPTIVE NOISES
9:06:06AM OR SOUNDS OR DISPLAYING SIGNS OR GRAPHICS.
9:06:08AM PLEASE, ALSO, REFRAIN FROM MAKING PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST
9:06:12AM ANY CITY OFFICIAL, STAFF MEMBER, OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
9:06:17AM THE CHAIR WILL RULE OUT OF ORDER ANY PERSON WHO SPEAKS
9:06:21AM WITHOUT BEING RECOGNIZED OR ATTEMPTS TO ADDRESS THE CITY
9:06:23AM COUNCIL FROM OUTSIDE THE SPEAKER AREA AT THE PODIUM.
9:06:26AM PERSONS FAILING TO COMPLY WITH THE COUNCIL RULES MAY ALSO BE
9:06:28AM RULED OUT OF ORDER AND AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR MAY BE
9:06:31AM REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBERS FOR THE REMAINDER OF TODAY'S
9:06:34AM MEETING.
9:06:34AM FINALLY, CITY COUNCIL, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING A
9:06:38AM SPEAKER DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:06:40AM PLEASE, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, BE AWARE THAT THE CITY
9:06:43AM COUNCIL DOES NOT TAKE QUESTIONS OR HAVE A DIALOGUE DURING
9:06:46AM GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:06:47AM THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS YOUR POSITION.
9:06:50AM THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:06:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:06:52AM BEFORE WE GO TO HOUSEKEEPING, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK AT
9:06:56AM GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING AND HAVE NOT FILLED
9:06:58AM A CARD, PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD AT THIS TIME AND THEN WE'LL
9:07:01AM TAKE EVERYONE IN ORDER WHEN PUBLIC COMMENT TIME BEGINS.
9:07:04AM AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE AGENDA.
9:07:07AM FIRST, A REQUEST -- OR A MEMO FROM MR. BRAD BAIRD REQUESTING
9:07:12AM THAT ITEM 3 BE MOVED TO STAFF REPORTS AND HEARD FIRST.
9:07:15AM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
9:07:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN WE ADD NUMBER 38 WITH IT?
9:07:18AM BECAUSE THEY GO TOGETHER.
9:07:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO 38, I'LL MAKE A NOTE.
9:07:26AM 3 AND 38, IF WE CAN HEAR THEM TOGETHER FIRST UNDER STAFF
9:07:33AM REPORTS.
9:07:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO MOVED.
9:07:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK,
9:07:36AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
9:07:38AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:07:38AM AYE.
9:07:39AM WE HAVE A MEMO RECEIVED FROM MR. DAVID MECHANIK REQUESTING
9:07:43AM THAT ITEM 84 BE WITHDRAWN.
9:07:45AM CAN I GET A MOTION?
9:07:46AM ALL RIGHT.
9:07:50AM WE'LL WAIT UNTIL 1:30, BUT WE'LL MAKE A NOTE OF THAT.
9:07:53AM WE'LL GO THROUGH STAFF REPORTS.
9:07:54AM ONE BY ONE.
9:07:56AM WE ALREADY MENTIONED THAT 3 AND THEN THE OTHER ITEM HEARD
9:08:00AM TOGETHER FIRST.
9:08:01AM THERE IS NO ADMINISTRATION UPDATE, IS THAT CORRECT, CHIEF
9:08:03AM BENNETT?
9:08:03AM ALL RIGHT.
9:08:04AM NO ADMINISTRATION UPDATE.
9:08:06AM WE'LL GO TO 86.
9:08:08AM DO WE NEED STAFF PRESENT FOR THAT?
9:08:10AM NO.
9:08:14AM OKAY.
9:08:14AM 87?
9:08:15AM NO.
9:08:17AM ITEM 88?
9:08:19AM NO.
9:08:22AM 89?
9:08:22AM 90?
9:08:26AM 91?
9:08:28AM 92?
9:08:35AM >>LUIS VIERA: I DON'T.
9:08:36AM I'M THE MAKER.
9:08:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
9:08:39AM THERE IS A WRITTEN REPORT, SO WE CAN RECEIVE AND FILE.
9:08:41AM THIS IS 92.
9:08:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THERE IS A WRITTEN REPORT, AND I'M -- I
9:08:48AM ACTUALLY HAVE MADE AN APPOINTMENT TO TALK TO CHIEF BERCAW
9:08:54AM AFTER WHAT I ASKED CHIEF BENNETT ABOUT ADDING MORE MONEY TO
9:09:00AM THE BUDGET.
9:09:02AM AFTER HE EXPLAINED HOW THEY ARE LOOKING AT THE CALL PROGRAM
9:09:05AM A LITTLE BIT MORE.
9:09:06AM I WILL PROBABLY BE BRINGING THIS BACK AT SOME POINT, BUT I'M
9:09:09AM HAPPY WITH THE REPORT.
9:09:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
9:09:10AM SO NO.
9:09:13AM WE'LL RECEIVE AND FILE ITEM NUMBER 92.
9:09:15AM ITEM NUMBER 93?
9:09:16AM >>LUIS VIERA: I'M FINE, THANK YOU.
9:09:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOBODY FOR 93.
9:09:18AM 94?
9:09:19AM YES.
9:09:20AM WE WILL HAVE SOMEBODY PRESENT FOR 94.
9:09:22AM MR. BAIRD SENT OUT A MEMO, BUT BE PRESENT FOR 94.
9:09:26AM 95?
9:09:28AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE
9:09:30AM FOR THAT?
9:09:30AM KAYON HENDERSON IS GONE.
9:09:32AM I'M HAPPY WITH THE MEMORANDUM AS STATED.
9:09:34AM >> MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE 95.
9:09:37AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, SECOND FROM COUNCIL
9:09:39AM MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:09:40AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:09:40AM AYE.
9:09:41AM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA IS REQUESTING ITEM NUMBER 96 BE
9:09:44AM RECEIVED AND FILED.
9:09:45AM IS THAT CORRECT, SIR?
9:09:46AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
9:09:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
9:09:47AM NO ONE PRESENT FOR 96.
9:09:49AM CAN I GET A MOTION?
9:09:49AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
9:09:51AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:09:53AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:09:53AM AYE.
9:09:54AM FOR 97, IF WE CAN CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO JANUARY 9, 2025.
9:10:00AM >>LUIS VIERA: SO MOVED.
9:10:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER --
9:10:03AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: 97?
9:10:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS IS 97.
9:10:06AM JANUARY 9, 2025.
9:10:09AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
9:10:10AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
9:10:12AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:10:12AM AYE.
9:10:13AM CAN WE GET A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE 98 AND 99?
9:10:16AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:10:18AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
9:10:19AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:10:20AM AYE.
9:10:22AM ITEM NUMBER 100 TO BE REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA.
9:10:24AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
9:10:26AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
9:10:28AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:10:29AM AYE.
9:10:29AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:10:31AM ALL RIGHT.
9:10:32AM AT THIS TIME, CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AND
9:10:34AM THE ADDENDUM?
9:10:35AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
9:10:37AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:10:38AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:10:39AM AYE.
9:10:39AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:10:40AM COMMENDATION NUMBER 1, MR. RICHARD FORMICA.
9:10:46AM I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:10:58AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE'VE HAD
9:11:00AM A LOT OF COMMENDATIONS YEARLY AND FOR MANY YEARS.
9:11:05AM IN THIS CASE, THIS IS ONE THAT IS EXTREMELY HONORABLE FOR ME
9:11:09AM AND FOR ALL OF US WHO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS GENTLEMAN HAS
9:11:14AM DONE FOR AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER.
9:11:16AM IT GOES BACK INTO THE '90s, I THINK.
9:11:19AM MR. RICHARD FORMICA NOT ONLY IS HE DESERVING OF THIS
9:11:24AM COMMENDATION, BUT AN INDIVIDUAL THAT HAS DONE SOMETHING
9:11:28AM EVERY DAY FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.
9:11:31AM IT'S ABOUT ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT RESOURCES WE HAVE THAT
9:11:35AM WITHOUT IT WE CAN LIVE, NOT US, NOT YOU, NOT NO ONE ON
9:11:39AM EARTH, AND THAT'S WATER.
9:11:40AM HE'S DONE AN ADMIRABLE, FANTASTIC JOB.
9:11:44AM I'LL READ THE COMMENDATION THAT IS ENDEARING TO HIS HEART
9:11:48AM AND EVERYBODY HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:11:51AM THE DROUGHT OF 2006 THROUGH 2009 HAD JUST BEGUN.
9:11:56AM THIS WAS ONE PERSON WHO WAS CLOSELY FOLLOWING THE DATA
9:12:00AM ASSOCIATED WITH NOAA RAIN GAUGES, RIVER FLOWS,
9:12:04AM CONTRIBUTIONS, STEAM FLOWS, RESERVOIR LEVELS AND MINIMUM
9:12:08AM FLOWS OF THE LOWER HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
9:12:09AM HIS NAME IS RICHARD FORMICA.
9:12:12AM HE SEEMED TO KNOW ALL THE RIVER VARIABLES, EVEN BETTER THAN
9:12:19AM OUR OWN WATER DEPARTMENT.
9:12:22AM HE BECAME A NATURAL AND LOGICAL APPOINTMENT TO SERVE AS THE
9:12:30AM CITY'S REPRESENTATIVE ON THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER WATER BOARD
9:12:33AM TECHNICAL ADVISORY COUNCIL, BETTER KNOWN AS TAC.
9:12:38AM DURING HIS 11 YEARS ON TAC, HE CONTINUOUSLY CHALLENGED
9:12:42AM EVERYONE TO LEARN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE ABOUT THE HILLSBOROUGH
9:12:44AM RIVER AND THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER RESERVOIR.
9:12:46AM BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, HE CHALLENGED WATER DEPARTMENT
9:12:49AM PERSONNEL TO NOT ONLY FOLLOW THE DATA BUT TO UNDERSTAND IT
9:12:54AM AND THE DATA BE USED TO MAKE SOUND OPERATIONAL DECISIONS.
9:12:59AM THE INFORMATION WAS USED TO MAKE DECISIONS ON DAM
9:13:03AM OPERATIONS, WHEN AND HOW TO BUY WATER AND FINISHED WATER
9:13:08AM FROM TAMPA BAY WATER, WATERING RESTRICTIONS MINIMUMS, FLOWS
9:13:13AM OF THE LOWER HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, RICHARD HELD US ALL
9:13:17AM ACCOUNTABLE.
9:13:20AM AND FOR THAT WE ARE VERY ETERNALLY GRATEFUL THAT IN THIS
9:13:25AM PRESENT DAY THAT THIS COMMENDATION BE PRESENTED TO RICHARD
9:13:29AM FORMICA ON THE 22nd DAY OF AUGUST, 2024.
9:13:32AM IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND DO SOMETHING NO
9:13:38AM MATTER IF IT IS COLD, HOT, RAINY, SOGGY, TEMPERATURES YOU
9:13:44AM CAN'T BREATHE IN.
9:13:46AM HE'S DONE IT EVERY DAY.
9:13:47AM WITHOUT PAY.
9:13:48AM AND HE DOES IT BECAUSE OF THE KINDNESS OF HIS HEART, BUT
9:13:53AM ALSO THAT HE WANTS TO MAKE TAMPA THE BEST PLACE TO LIVE.
9:13:58AM AND HE'S, IN MY BOOK, HE'S ONE OF THE HEROES OF THE NONPAID
9:14:04AM BRIGADE.
9:14:05AM I KNOW YOU SERVED IN THE MILITARY FOR MANY YEARS.
9:14:07AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE COUNTRY AND THANK YOU FOR
9:14:09AM YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA.
9:14:11AM CONGRATULATIONS.
9:14:12AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:14:22AM >> TAMPA CITY COUNCIL LADIES, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL GENTLEMEN,
9:14:34AM THANK YOU FOR HONORING ME FOR MY CIVIL SERVICE REPRESENTING
9:14:39AM THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA ON THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER TECHNICAL
9:14:42AM ADVISORY COUNCIL.
9:14:43AM FOR ABOUT 11 YEARS, I ATTENDED MONTHLY MEETINGS WITH A
9:14:48AM COUPLE OF CIVILIANS LIKE MYSELF AND BY MANY PROFESSIONAL
9:14:55AM EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY AND THE COUNTY AND THE STATE AGENCIES
9:14:58AM ALL CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE WATERS IN
9:15:02AM THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER AND THE COMMUNITIES ALONG THE RIVER.
9:15:06AM IT HAS BEEN VERY INTERESTING AND I APPRECIATE THIS HONOR AND
9:15:12AM COMMENDATION.
9:15:13AM ANY QUESTIONS?
9:15:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
9:15:17AM CONGRATULATIONS.
9:15:18AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:15:21AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE
9:15:23AM TODAY, THE REPLACEMENT THAT THIS COUNCIL VOTED UNANIMOUSLY
9:15:26AM TO REPLACE RICHARD FORMICA, AND JOE BROWN.
9:15:30AM I WOULD LIKE YOU TO MEET MR. FORMICA AND FOLLOW IN THE SMALL
9:15:34AM FOOTSTEPS WITH A BIG PRINT.
9:15:37AM >> GOOD LUCK.
9:15:39AM >> YES, I HAVE VERY BIG SHOES TO FILL.
9:15:41AM I MET MR. FORMICA WHEN I WAS AT THE WATER MANAGEMENT
9:15:44AM DISTRICT.
9:15:45AM AS A CITIZEN APPOINTEE, VERY FORMIDABLE WHEN IT CAME TO
9:15:48AM TECHNICAL DISCUSSIONS AND BROUGHT A LOT OF VALUE AND HANDS
9:15:50AM DOWN THE MOST ENGAGED AND CONTRIBUTING CITIZEN APPOINTEE OF
9:15:53AM THE BOARD THE ENTIRE TIME I WAS ON IT.
9:15:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD.
9:15:57AM I BELIEVE --
9:15:59AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE.
9:16:01AM THANK YOU FOR TEACHING SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR US
9:16:03AM AT THE WATER PLANT HOW TO DO LITTLE THINGS AND BIG THINGS
9:16:06AM LIKE THIS.
9:16:07AM IN WATER, THERE'S NO LITTLE THING.
9:16:08AM IT'S ALWAYS A CURRENT EVENT.
9:16:14AM >> THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
9:16:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO
9:16:17AM WISHES TO PRESENT YOU WITH SOMETHING AS WELL.
9:16:20AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:16:20AM MY NAME IS STEPHANIE POYNOR.
9:16:22AM I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION OF
9:16:26AM NEIGHBORHOODS.
9:16:26AM I DON'T GET UP HERE AND SAY THAT VERY OFTEN.
9:16:28AM BUT MR. FORMICA HAS BEEN A THAN MEMBER FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
9:16:32AM TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, HE HAS NOT ONLY RETIRED FROM THE
9:16:37AM WATER BOARD, BUT HE'S RETIRED FROM THAN AS WELL.
9:16:39AM AND WE DESPERATELY MISS HIM.
9:16:42AM SO OUR BOARD VOTED TO MAKE MR. FORMICA THE VERY FIRST
9:16:46AM HONOREE THAN MEMBER FOR LIFE.
9:16:48AM IF YOU WANT TO COME TO THE MEETINGS, YOU MAY COME ANYTIME
9:16:52AM YOU'D LIKE.
9:16:52AM WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WERE RECOGNIZED IN ALL YOUR
9:16:55AM HARD WORK FOR YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY, NOT JUST WITH
9:16:57AM THE WATER BOARD BUT IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS AS WELL.
9:16:59AM I'LL CARRY THIS OUT FOR YOU.
9:17:01AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:17:02AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:17:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:17:10AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:17:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
9:17:16AM YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA.
9:17:20AM IT'S PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT MAKE THIS CITY DO WHAT IT CAN.
9:17:24AM WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE.
9:17:25AM WE HAVE OUR STAFF MEMBERS, BUT THEN THOSE WHO JUST CARE
9:17:28AM ENOUGH TO JUST REALLY, REALLY DAY IN AND DAY OUT BE
9:17:32AM ACTIVISTS.
9:17:33AM WE ARE SO, SO GRATEFUL FOR WHAT YOU'VE GIVEN TO THE CITY.
9:17:37AM I HOPE YOU ENJOY YOUR WELL-EARNED RETIREMENT, EVEN FROM
9:17:41AM VOLUNTEER WORK.
9:17:43AM >> I'M TRYING TO.
9:17:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:17:45AM ALL RIGHT.
9:17:45AM NEXT UP, WE HAVE F.D.O.T.
9:17:47AM I BELIEVE I SAW THEM HERE.
9:17:49AM THEY WILL GIVE A TEN-MINUTE UPDATE ON PROJECTS WITHIN THE
9:17:52AM CITY OF TAMPA.
9:17:52AM GOOD MORNING, SIR.
9:17:56AM >> JUSTIN, DOT DISTRICT 7.
9:17:58AM NO PRESENTATION TODAY.
9:17:59AM I FIGURED I WOULD COME GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE AND
9:18:03AM ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND GO FROM THERE.
9:18:05AM A REAL QUICK UPDATE, ONE OF THE PROJECTS I WAS ASKED ABOUT
9:18:08AM WAS THE 275 DESIGN PROJECT FROM HILLSBOROUGH NORTH TO
9:18:13AM BEARSS.
9:18:13AM WE RECENTLY BEGAN DESIGN AGAIN.
9:18:16AM THAT PROJECT WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY ON
9:18:21AM UNDERPASS IMPROVEMENTS, LOCAL STREET CONNECTIONS LIKE WE
9:18:23AM HAVE DONE ON THE OTHER PROJECTS.
9:18:25AM ONE DAY WE SHOULD PROBABLY COME GIVE AN UPDATE ABOUT WHERE
9:18:28AM WE STARTED ON THE PROJECT TO THE SOUTH AND WHERE WE ENDED AS
9:18:31AM FAR AS SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS, WALLS, LIGHTING, THINGS OF
9:18:34AM THAT NATURE BECAUSE QUITE A BIT DID CHANGE BASED ON FEEDBACK
9:18:37AM FROM THE COMMUNITY.
9:18:38AM THAT DESIGN IS GOING TO GET UNDERWAY, SO THERE WILL BE
9:18:41AM SEVERAL MEETINGS ON THAT.
9:18:42AM QUICK UPDATE ON OLA AVENUE AND CENTRAL AVENUE BIKEWAY.
9:18:45AM WE CONTRACTED WITH THE CONTRACTOR.
9:18:48AM THOSE WERE GREAT PROJECTS, GREAT SUCCESSES OF PARTNERSHIPS
9:18:50AM BETWEEN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE D.O.T.
9:18:52AM THOSE PROJECTS WILL START CONSTRUCTION LATER THIS YEAR.
9:18:56AM IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE TARGETING DECEMBER.
9:18:59AM IT'S A LITTLE OVER A YEAR OF CONSTRUCTION ON THOSE PROJECTS.
9:19:02AM I THINK IF ALL GOES WELL, WE'RE ANTICIPATING THE PROJECTS
9:19:04AM WILL OPEN MARCH OR APRIL OF THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
9:19:08AM IT WOULD BE 2026.
9:19:09AM IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING, I ASKED MY STAFF FOR SOME DETAILS,
9:19:13AM BECAUSE WE GET ASKED A LOT ON HOW MUCH DO WE INVEST ON
9:19:17AM STAND-ALONE BIKE PED FACILITIES.
9:19:20AM IT'S REALLY HARD FOR US TO FIND THAT NUMBER BECAUSE OF THE
9:19:22AM WAY OUR SYSTEM CODES EVERYTHING.
9:19:24AM IT'S A LITTLE ANTIQUATED.
9:19:26AM SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT.
9:19:27AM WHAT WE DID FIND OUT, THOUGH, WE'VE GOT ABOUT A HUNDRED
9:19:30AM MILLION DOLLARS OF STAND-ALONE BIKE LANES, SIDEWALK, TRAIL
9:19:34AM PROJECTS PROGRAMMED IN DISTRICT 7, BOTH RETROACTIVE LOOKING
9:19:40AM BACK AT THE YEARS AND LOOKING FORWARD.
9:19:41AM ABOUT A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS INVESTMENT.
9:19:43AM WHEN WE GET ASKED THAT, WHERE ARE WE MAKING THAT INVESTMENT,
9:19:48AM AND WE'VE GOT ABOUT 50 MILES OF BIKE LANES/SIDEWALK PROJECTS
9:19:53AM INSIDE THE CITY OF TAMPA PROPER.
9:19:56AM PRETTY BIG INVESTMENT THERE.
9:19:57AM THAT'S FROM A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN US, THE CITY COUNCIL, CITY
9:20:00AM STAFF.
9:20:01AM I KNOW VIK, WE WORK QUITE A BIT ON THE GREEN SPINE PROJECT.
9:20:05AM A LOT OF SUCCESSES THERE.
9:20:10AM QUICK UPDATE ON 275.
9:20:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
9:20:13AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
9:20:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
9:20:15AM I APPRECIATE THAT YOU HIT THE HIGH NOTES BECAUSE THAT'S
9:20:18AM PRETTY MUCH ALL THE QUESTIONS PEOPLE HAVE.
9:20:20AM I'M GOING TO START WITH SOME OF THE EASIER -- WELL, NOT
9:20:22AM EASIER -- BUT AS FAR AS THE OLA AND CENTRAL PROJECTS,
9:20:28AM BIKEWAY PROJECTS GO, THE THING THAT I'M ASKED ABOUT
9:20:31AM CONSTANTLY, IS THERE GOING TO BE A LIGHT AT MLK?
9:20:34AM IS THERE GOING TO BE A LIGHT AT COLUMBUS?
9:20:36AM ARE THOSE GOING TO BE PUSH-BUTTON CROSSWALKS?
9:20:39AM IF YOU KNOW THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
9:20:42AM >> COOL.
9:20:44AM I CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THAT.
9:20:45AM JUST A FEW THINGS.
9:20:46AM ON THE OLA AVENUE BIKEWAY, THERE WILL BE RAISED ISLANDS WITH
9:20:51AM DELINEATION FOR ON-STREET PARKING ALONG HANNA, OLA AND
9:20:56AM HIGHLAND, ALSO CROSSWALKS AT OLA OSBORNE INTERSECTIONS.
9:21:01AM ALSO THE ADDITION OF NEW MARKED CROSSWALKS AND INTERSECTION
9:21:04AM LIGHTING FOR COLUMBUS DRIVE, WHICH INCLUDES AN RFB.
9:21:08AM MARTIN LUTHER KING WHICH IS A FULLY ACTUATED TRAFFIC SIGNAL
9:21:13AM FOR THE PEDS.
9:21:14AM AND PEDESTRIAN HYBRID BEACON AT SLIGH.
9:21:16AM SO THAT'S ON THE OLA PROJECT.
9:21:18AM THEN ON CENTRAL AVENUE, WE'D HAVE RFBs AT PALM, COLUMBUS,
9:21:22AM FERN, AND FLORA.
9:21:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK: GREAT.
9:21:24AM I APPRECIATE THAT DETAIL.
9:21:26AM THIS IS A PROJECT YOU DID NOT MENTION, BUT I HAVE TALKED TO
9:21:32AM YOU ABOUT IN THE PAST.
9:21:33AM THE FLORIDA TAMPA STORMWATER PROJECT AND HOW THIS IS NO
9:21:38AM LONGER GOING TO HAVE A STORMWATER COMPONENT.
9:21:40AM CAN YOU TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT?
9:21:42AM >> SURE.
9:21:44AM SOME OF IT IS COST ESCALATION WHICH EVERYBODY IS DEALING
9:21:47AM WITH.
9:21:48AM HISTORY FOR EVERYONE, WHEN WE SUBMITTED FOR FEDERAL GRANT
9:21:51AM FOR THAT PROJECT, WE RECEIVED FEDERAL GRANT.
9:21:53AM ONE COMPONENT OF THE FEDERAL GRANT WAS THE DRAINAGE
9:21:55AM IMPROVEMENTS.
9:21:56AM WE HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH THE FEDS TO LET THEM KNOW, HEY,
9:21:59AM BASED ON COST ESCALATION, WE CAN MEET THESE COMPONENTS OF
9:22:01AM THE GRANT.
9:22:02AM WE CAN'T MEET THE DRAINAGE COMPONENTS.
9:22:03AM FOR MAGNITUDE, A LOT OF TIMES GET ASKED THAT, I THINK THE
9:22:08AM DELTA IS ABOUT $70 MILLION DIFFERENCE FOR THE DRAINAGE
9:22:11AM IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH IT STARTED OFF AT ABOUT 16 MILLION.
9:22:14AM NOW IT'S ABOUT 70 MILLION.
9:22:16AM THE D.O.T. WE'VE INVESTED QUITE A BIT IN THE PROJECT TO KEEP
9:22:19AM IT MOVING BECAUSE THE FEDS ONLY GAVE US I THINK 17 MILLION.
9:22:24AM I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE EXACT DOLLAR AMOUNT THE FEDS GAVE US
9:22:27AM ON THAT.
9:22:27AM QUITE A BIT OF INVESTMENT FROM THE STATE.
9:22:29AM WE'LL STILL HAVE THE WIDE SIDEWALK BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S
9:22:31AM BEEN A DISCUSSION.
9:22:32AM SO THERE WILL BE ON TAMPA AVENUE, THERE WILL BE A TRAIL.
9:22:36AM ON FLORIDA, WE'LL BE WIDENING THE SIDEWALKS WHERE WE CAN AND
9:22:39AM TRYING TO MINIMIZE UTILITY CONFLICTS BECAUSE THAT IS ANOTHER
9:22:43AM CONVERSATION WE HAVE QUITE A BIT.
9:22:45AM THERE ARE UTILITY POLES RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SIDEWALK.
9:22:47AM WE STILL WILL DO THE MID BLOCK CROSSINGS AND SOME OF THE
9:22:50AM OTHER IMPROVEMENTS AND TRY AND SET UP THE ADA FOR TRANSIT.
9:22:54AM OBVIOUSLY THAT IS ANOTHER BIG CONVERSATION THERE, STREETCAR,
9:22:57AM EXPRESS BUS ON FLORIDA TAMPA.
9:23:00AM MAKING SURE WE SET THAT UP TO WORK WITH THAT.
9:23:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE TAMPA STREET
9:23:07AM SIDEWALKS ARE GOING TO BE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING BOTH
9:23:09AM SIDES OF TAMPA STREET?
9:23:11AM >> SO, I BELIEVE ON ONE SIDE, JUST TRYING TO WIDEN THE
9:23:15AM SIDEWALK.
9:23:16AM ON THE WEST SIDE, IT'S 8 TO 10 FEET.
9:23:19AM THERE ARE SOME AREAS WHERE IT GETS TAPERED DOWN TO 8.
9:23:21AM BUT 8 TO 10 FEET ON THE WEST SIDE.
9:23:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK: ADDITIONALLY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A PUBLIC
9:23:26AM REQUEST THAT -- AND I KNOW YOU WORK WITH MR. BHIDE AND HIS
9:23:31AM DEPARTMENT -- BUT TO TACKLE IT AGAIN TO HAVE MORE
9:23:33AM CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE STORMWATER, WHILE WE HAVE THIS GOING
9:23:36AM ON, WE MIGHT AS WELL.
9:23:39AM BECAUSE ULTIMATELY IT'S GOING TO BE -- I MEAN, WE'LL HAVE TO
9:23:42AM PAY FOR IT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
9:23:43AM WHILE YOU'RE WORKING ON PULLING UP THE ROAD, NOW IS THE TIME
9:23:46AM AND THE CITIZENS ARE DESPERATELY ASKING FOR IT.
9:23:49AM THE FLOODING IN TAMPA HEIGHTS IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
9:23:52AM >> YES, MA'AM.
9:23:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT NOW, TO ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT THE WIDENING
9:23:58AM THAT THE PUBLIC IS HEAVILY AGAINST.
9:24:01AM I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE FUNDING FOR THE PD AND E.
9:24:05AM WHERE WAS THAT?
9:24:06AM I CANNOT FIND IN PAST BUDGETS WHERE WE HAVE APPROVED THE
9:24:12AM FUNDING FOR THE PD AND E FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE INTERSTATE
9:24:15AM FROM HILLSBOROUGH TO BEARSS.
9:24:17AM >> IT WAS IN 2021, I BELIEVE.
9:24:19AM I CAN GET YOU THE EXACT YEAR.
9:24:21AM I CAN EVEN SEND UP THE TIP THAT IT WAS INCLUDED IN.
9:24:24AM IT WAS A PART OF A BIGGER -- IT WAS PART OF THE BIGGER
9:24:29AM CONVERSATION.
9:24:31AM YES, IT'S 2021 I BELIEVE.
9:24:33AM BUT I CAN GET YOU THE EXACT YEAR AND TIP PAGES AND
9:24:37AM EVERYTHING.
9:24:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OBVIOUSLY I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SAY
9:24:42AM THIS IS SOMETHING THAT EVERY PERSON WHO REPRESENTS A PERSON
9:24:47AM WHO IS A CITIZEN OF THE CITY OF TAMPA HIGHLY OPPOSES.
9:24:51AM AGAIN, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT
9:24:57AM BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER TO REALLY BRING THE COMMUNITY AND
9:25:01AM FIND OUT WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO INSTEAD OF WIDENING
9:25:04AM INTERSTATES.
9:25:05AM >> WE'LL CONTINUE TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITIES.
9:25:06AM A LOT OF PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:25:09AM WE DID AN EXTENSIVE PUBLIC COMMUNICATION, PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT
9:25:12AM DURING THE PD AND E PHASE.
9:25:14AM MANY OF YOU ATTENDED THOSE MEETINGS, PARTICIPATED IN THOSE
9:25:17AM MEETINGS.
9:25:18AM I KNOW A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY DID AS WELL.
9:25:20AM FOR A WHILE THERE, WE WEREN'T REALLY DOING ANYTHING.
9:25:23AM WE COMPLETED THE PD AND E.
9:25:26AM KIND OF WAITING TO START DESIGN.
9:25:28AM NOW THAT WE'RE STARTING DESIGN, YOU'LL SEE US START TO
9:25:31AM REENGAGE LIKE WE DID TO THE SOUTH AND WE'LL DO THE SAME
9:25:34AM HERE.
9:25:34AM ONE FACT THAT I DON'T THINK GETS TALKED ABOUT OFTEN, AND I
9:25:38AM HEAR A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT TRANSIT.
9:25:41AM OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE A BIG INVESTOR IN TRANSIT.
9:25:43AM WE'VE GOT MONEY SET ASIDE FOR THE STREETCAR EXTENSION.
9:25:46AM WE'VE BEEN PAYING THE STREETCAR FARES.
9:25:50AM WE'RE INVESTING IN TRANSIT ALL OVER THE PLACE.
9:25:53AM ONE THING A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE, THE MODEL THAT
9:25:55AM EVERYONE USES.
9:25:56AM SO THE TPO USES IT FOR THE LONG-RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
9:26:01AM WE USE IT FOR OUR DEVELOPMENT.
9:26:02AM IT IS A FORWARD-LOOKING MODEL.
9:26:04AM ABOUT 30, 40 YEARS INTO THE FUTURE.
9:26:07AM AND THAT MODEL HAS THE WIDENING OF 275, BUT THIS IS THE PART
9:26:11AM THAT DOESN'T GET TALKED ABOUT A LOT.
9:26:13AM IT ALSO HAS THE CSX RAIL CONVERTED TO TRANSIT.
9:26:17AM IT HAS HART SYSTEM BUILT OUT FAR BEYOND WHAT IT IS TODAY.
9:26:21AM AND EVEN WITH ALL THAT, YOU STILL HAVE TO WIDEN 275.
9:26:25AM SO THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT WHETHER YOU NEED TO
9:26:29AM WIDEN 275, IS THERE AN ALTERNATE?
9:26:30AM THE ANSWER IS YOU HAVE TO DO IT ALL.
9:26:32AM LIKE, THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK NEEDS IT ALL.
9:26:34AM IN FACT, THAT'S THE WAY THE MODEL IS BUILT.
9:26:36AM THE MODEL IS BUILT WITH ALL OF IT IN THERE FOR IT TO SUCCEED
9:26:40AM IN THE FUTURE.
9:26:41AM I MEAN, I THINK WE CONTINUE TO BE AN ADVOCATE FOR TRANSIT.
9:26:44AM I CONTINUE TO BE AN ADVOCATE FOR ROADS.
9:26:46AM I CONTINUE TO BE AN ADVOCATE FOR TRAILS.
9:26:48AM BIKEWAYS.
9:26:49AM I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S PROOF BY MY WORK PROGRAM.
9:26:53AM ANYWAY, JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT GETS
9:26:56AM LOST IN THE CONVERSATION THAT IT GETS ISOLATED TO 275, BUT
9:26:59AM IT IS PART OF A BIGGER PICTURE, AND IT ALL HAS TO BE THERE.
9:27:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
9:27:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT SHE SAID.
9:27:10AM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:27:11AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR CLARITY AND
9:27:13AM WHAT MODELING IS.
9:27:15AM YOU'RE RIGHT, EVERYTHING IS WALKABILITY, RIDABILITY,
9:27:18AM BICYCLABILITY, TRAIN.
9:27:19AM EVERYTHING -- WE UNDERSTAND YOUR DIVISION.
9:27:23AM THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.
9:27:24AM LET ME ASK A QUESTION.
9:27:25AM IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED IN '22, '23,
9:27:31AM HASN'T BEEN BUILT, WHAT KIND OF INFLATIONARY RATE, IF IT WAS
9:27:34AM A HUNDRED MILLION, WHAT IS IT TODAY?
9:27:36AM >> I WILL TELL YOU IT DEPENDS A LITTLE BIT BASED ON
9:27:38AM MATERIAL.
9:27:39AM I'M NOT TRYING TO BE -- BUT I WOULD SAY THAT WHAT WE'VE SEEN
9:27:44AM OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS IS ABOUT A 30%.
9:27:46AM THAT'S WHAT WE'VE SEEN.
9:27:49AM I BELIEVE FROM TALKING TO THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, THEY ARE
9:27:51AM SEEING ABOUT THE SAME OVER THAT TIME FRAME.
9:27:53AM I THINK THE COUNTY SAW ABOUT 40.
9:27:56AM I THINK WE'RE HOVERING RIGHT AT 31%.
9:27:59AM SO IF IT'S JUST ASPHALT, ABOUT 19% OF IT INVOLVES CONCRETE
9:28:03AM AND STEEL IN THE 30s.
9:28:04AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC
9:28:06AM UNDERSTANDS WE'RE NOT GIVING MONEY AWAY.
9:28:08AM IT IS THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS.
9:28:09AM >> WE HAVE A RECORD WORK PROGRAM BUT THERE ARE RECORD COSTS.
9:28:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:28:15AM >>BILL CARLSON: I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
9:28:19AM BEEN FOLLOWING THIS PROJECT FOR A LONG TIME SINCE BEFORE I
9:28:22AM GOT ON COUNCIL.
9:28:23AM NOT YOU, BECAUSE I NEVER MET YOU, BUT D.O.T. HAS A
9:28:28AM REPUTATION FOR BEING A BULLY ON THIS PROJECT.
9:28:30AM HORDES OF PEOPLE, HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE HAVE COME OUT TO
9:28:35AM MEETINGS TO PROTEST THIS PROJECT.
9:28:37AM IT'S SEEN AS HAVING A COUPLE OF PROBLEMS.
9:28:41AM ONE IS DESTROYING NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH THE INTERSTATES DID
9:28:45AM IN THE BEGINNING.
9:28:46AM BUT THE OTHER THING IS JUST EXACERBATING SPRAWL.
9:28:53AM REALLY IT'S JUST A GATEWAY TO PASCO COUNTY, AND WE KNOW
9:28:53AM SIERRA CLUB AND OTHERS SUED OVER THE SUNCOAST EXPRESSWAY
9:28:57AM YEARS AGO.
9:28:58AM IT WAS EASY WHEN THE VETERANS FIRST OPENED.
9:29:00AM I LIVED OUT THERE, AND YOU COULD EASILY ZIP BACK AND FORTH.
9:29:04AM NOW THERE'S HUGE DEVELOPMENTS ALL THE WAY UP.
9:29:06AM WE'RE TRYING TO DO INFILL DEVELOPMENT AS FAST AS WE CAN.
9:29:09AM AND THE PUBLIC DOESN'T SEE THAT AS BEING ACCEPTABLE.
9:29:13AM YOU ALL REPORT TO THE STATE, NOT TO US.
9:29:15AM YOU ALL CAN ULTIMATELY DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.
9:29:18AM BUT THIS IS CAUSING GREAT CONCERN IN OUR COMMUNITY.
9:29:23AM IT'S GOING TO CAUSE D.O.T. TO HAVE A VERY NEGATIVE
9:29:28AM REPUTATION IN OUR COMMUNITY.
9:29:30AM I HOPE THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU DON'T FIX OTHER ROADS BECAUSE
9:29:32AM WE HAVE OTHER ROADS THAT NEED TO BE FIXED AS WELL.
9:29:35AM I USED TO DO PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT, PUBLIC INPUT FOR A LIVING,
9:29:38AM AND YOU CAN GO IN AND HOLD A CHARRETTE, CHECK BOXES AND SAY
9:29:42AM WE'VE GOT ALL THIS.
9:29:43AM BUT IT'S OBVIOUS, WE DON'T OFTEN AGREE, BUT IF WE ALL ARE
9:29:48AM CONSISTENTLY HEARING THE DRUM BEAT FROM THE PUBLIC THAT IT'S
9:29:51AM NOT A GOOD IDEA, NOT A GOOD IDEA, WE NEED TO WORK ON OTHER
9:29:54AM TRANSPORTATION SOLUTIONS.
9:29:55AM THANK YOU.
9:29:56AM >> I WILL SAY ONE THING.
9:29:59AM WHEN WE STARTED THIS, RIGHT, SO BACK WHEN THE INITIAL
9:30:02AM CONVERSATIONS WERE BEING HAD AROUND TBX, WE WERE TALKING
9:30:06AM ABOUT BUYING I THINK 336 HOUSES AND TALKING ABOUT EXPRESS
9:30:10AM LANES TO THE NORTH.
9:30:10AM AND WHERE WE ARE AT NOW, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT BUYING ANY
9:30:14AM PROPERTY.
9:30:14AM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WORKING WITHIN THE EXISTING PROPERTY
9:30:16AM THAT WE HAVE.
9:30:17AM THE KEY, TOO, ONE THING THAT WE HEAR A LOT IN CONVERSATIONS
9:30:21AM WITH THE COMMUNITY IS ABOUT THE NOISE WALLS.
9:30:24AM FOR ME TO GET THE CREDIT FOR THE NOISE WALLS, FOR ME TO GET
9:30:26AM THE FEDS TO APPROVE THE NOISE WALLS, I HAVE TO JUSTIFY THAT.
9:30:29AM THE WAY THAT WE JUSTIFY IT IS WITH THE CAPACITY PROJECT.
9:30:32AM I UNDERSTAND.
9:30:35AM I HEAR THE COMMUNITY.
9:30:36AM I LISTEN TO THEM.
9:30:37AM THERE IS A LOT OF MISINFORMATION BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT
9:30:40AM THIS AT THE TPO MEETING.
9:30:41AM A LOT OF PEOPLE SAYING WE WERE BUYING ALL THESE HISTORIC
9:30:45AM HOUSES AND TEAR THEM DOWN.
9:30:46AM WE'RE NOT BUYING ANYTHING.
9:30:47AM I DON'T NEED TO BUY ANY PROPERTY, NOT YOU.
9:30:50AM NOT ANY ELECTED OFFICIAL SAID THAT.
9:30:51AM I'M SAYING THAT WAS THE CONVERSATION IN THE COMMUNITY.
9:30:53AM I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF MISINFORMATION AROUND THE PROJECT,
9:30:58AM AND I THINK THE PROJECT FACILITATES A LOT OF THINGS THAT
9:31:01AM PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE.
9:31:02AM BUT I DO UNDERSTAND.
9:31:03AM I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
9:31:04AM WE WILL GO BACK OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND TALK WITH THEM.
9:31:07AM >>BILL CARLSON: ONE LAST THING TO YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES.
9:31:10AM WE REQUESTED THAT YOU COME, I FORGOT, MONTHLY OR QUARTERLY.
9:31:14AM YOU AREN'T OBLIGATED IN ANY WAY TO PRESENT TO US.
9:31:18AM I APPRECIATE YOU COMING HERE AND BEING ON THE FIRE LINE,
9:31:23AM PRESENTING NEWS POSITIVE AND TAKING HITS FROM THE
9:31:25AM COMMUNITIES.
9:31:25AM APPRECIATE YOU ALL COMING HERE AND ENGAGING US.
9:31:27AM THANK YOU.
9:31:28AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
9:31:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:31:30AM WHEN I SAID I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK
9:31:32AM SAID, I DO.
9:31:33AM I'VE BEEN ON THE TPO WHEN IT WAS MPO NOW GOING ON TEN YEARS.
9:31:40AM LITERALLY MY FIRST MEETING WAS THE TIP MEETING OF THE
9:31:43AM ORIGINAL TBX WHERE WE HAD HOURS OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:31:46AM THE YEAR AFTER WAS EVEN WORSE.
9:31:48AM AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR FROM THE
9:31:50AM COMMUNITY.
9:31:52AM I'VE ALWAYS BEEN AGAINST IT.
9:31:53AM ANY KIND OF WIDENING, ANY KIND OF ACQUISITION OF PROPERTY
9:31:57AM BECAUSE I'LL TAKE IT BACK HISTORICALLY.
9:31:58AM THE INTERSTATE HAS DESTROYED.
9:32:00AM THEY CALL IT URBAN RENEWAL.
9:32:02AM IT'S URBAN REMOVAL.
9:32:03AM THESE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE HALF A CENTURY ARE NOW COMING BACK.
9:32:09AM THEY ARE WARY.
9:32:10AM THEY ARE CAREFULLY WATCHING THESE PROJECTS BECAUSE TAMPA
9:32:13AM HEIGHTS, WEST TAMPA, YBOR CITY, GOING NORTH NOW TALKING
9:32:16AM ABOUT HILLSBOROUGH TO BEARSS, HOW YOU PRONOUNCE IT, IT'S OF
9:32:21AM CONCERN BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN THE LONG-TERM DAMAGE.
9:32:25AM I'M ON THAT TPO.
9:32:27AM WE HAVE THOSE MEETINGS.
9:32:28AM WE HAVE TWO MEETINGS COMING UP IN SEPTEMBER, I BELIEVE.
9:32:31AM BUT, AGAIN, THANK YOU.
9:32:33AM COUNCIL MEMBER MENTIONED -- COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK MENTIONED
9:32:36AM SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT ABOUT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT GOING OUT
9:32:39AM THERE AND LISTENING.
9:32:40AM THESE FOLKS ARE DIRECTLY IMPACTED.
9:32:42AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
9:32:44AM >> ABSOLUTELY.
9:32:45AM I'LL TELL YOU, I WOULD LOVE TO COME BACK AND HAVE OUR STAFF
9:32:48AM PRESENT ON ON BOARD TAMPA BAY.
9:32:50AM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW ABOUT ON BOARD TAMPA BAY, BUT
9:32:52AM THAT'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT BY THE D.O.T. AND
9:32:55AM WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT.
9:32:55AM IN PARTNERING WITH SOME OF THE LOCAL CHARITIES TO PROVIDE
9:32:59AM THE SUPPORT SERVICES.
9:33:02AM THERE ARE A LOT OF REALLY GOOD STORIES OUT OF THAT.
9:33:04AM I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR YOU ALL TO KNOW, WORKING IN THE
9:33:07AM COMMUNITIES, WORKING IN EAST TAMPA.
9:33:09AM AND WE'VE PLACED SEVERAL HUNDRED PEOPLE IN JOBS, ON JOB
9:33:13AM SITES WITH JUST PLAIN MATCHMAKER REALLY.
9:33:16AM I'D LOVE TO HAVE OUR STAFF COME PRESENT ON THAT, IF THAT'S
9:33:19AM SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD BE AMICABLE TO.
9:33:22AM I THINK IT IS A REALLY COOL STORY.
9:33:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK THAT IS A GREAT IDEA.
9:33:26AM WE DO HAVE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIVISION.
9:33:28AM I BELIEVE CHIEF BENNETT CAN PROBABLY GET YOU CONNECTED.
9:33:34AM IF NOT, I CAN HELP.
9:33:35AM ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
9:33:37AM >> THANK YOU.
9:33:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING AND
9:33:38AM PRESENTING.
9:33:39AM WE APPRECIATE IT.
9:33:40AM >> THANK YOU.
9:33:40AM ABSOLUTELY.
9:33:40AM HAVE A GOOD ONE.
9:33:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU TOO.
9:33:42AM WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:33:43AM WE HAVE NO REGISTERED PUBLIC SPEAKERS.
9:33:45AM SO EVERYBODY THAT'S SPEAKING, I'LL CALL YOU ONE BY ONE ARE
9:33:47AM HERE.
9:33:48AM WE'LL HAVE A HARD STOP AT 12:00 TODAY.
9:33:51AM WE HAVE A VERY LONG AFTERNOON ANTICIPATED.
9:33:53AM SO THE FIRST PUBLIC SPEAKER THAT I HAVE IS MR. RICK
9:33:57AM FERNANDEZ FOLLOWED BY MS. LENA YOUNG GREEN.
9:33:59AM MR. FERNANDEZ.
9:34:01AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:34:06AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:34:07AM MY NAME IS RICK FERNANDEZ.
9:34:10AM I AM RE-SETTING MY TIMER.
9:34:15AM I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA HEIGHTS CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
9:34:17AM I APPRECIATE YOUR ALWAYS TIME AND THANK YOU FOR THE COURTESY
9:34:21AM OF LISTENING TO ME THIS MORNING.
9:34:23AM I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK YOU TO CONSIDER PASSAGE OF A
9:34:27AM RESOLUTION OPPOSING FURTHER EXPANSION OF I-275 NORTH OF
9:34:31AM HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE TO BEARSS.
9:34:34AM I'M THANKFUL THAT THIS TOPIC HAS ALREADY BEEN TEED UP.
9:34:37AM THIS IS, OF COURSE, THE LATEST INSTALLMENT OF THE TBX SAGA
9:34:41AM THAT MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING ALONG WITH ME SINCE AT
9:34:45AM LEAST 2015.
9:34:46AM IN 2021, THE TPO BOARD AMENDED THE TIP, THE TRANSPORTATION
9:34:51AM IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, REMOVING CAPACITY INCREASES OR
9:34:55AM EXPANSIONS FROM THIS SEGMENT OF I-75.
9:34:58AM AGAIN, FROM HILLSBOROUGH TO BEARSS.
9:35:00AM THIS ACTION WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE CLEAR WISHES OF THE
9:35:05AM IMPACTED COMMUNITIES, MOST NOTABLY SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, TAMPA
9:35:08AM HEIGHTS, YBOR, AND POINTS NORTH.
9:35:11AM THIS REMAINED THE STATUS QUO UNTIL JUNE OF THIS YEAR.
9:35:15AM 2024.
9:35:16AM DURING THE JUNE 2024 TIP PUBLIC HEARING, COMMISSIONER WOSTAL
9:35:23AM MOVED TO PUT THE DESCRIPTION, QUOTE, CAPACITY PROJECT BACK
9:35:28AM INTO THE TIP PROJECT DESCRIPTION FOR I-275 NORTH OF
9:35:31AM HILLSBOROUGH THUS REOPENING THE DOOR FOR POSSIBLE EXPANSION.
9:35:35AM THIS WAS DONE WITHOUT NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC AND, IN MY
9:35:39AM OPINION, IN VIOLATION OF DUE PROCESS.
9:35:43AM THE MOTION PASSED BY A VOTE OF 8-7.
9:35:47AM THE 7 NO VOTES CAME FROM THREE MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL,
9:35:52AM HURTAK, CLENDENIN, MANISCALCO.
9:35:54AM THREE MEMBERS OF THE BOCC, COHEN, KEMP, AND MYERS, AND ONE
9:36:00AM AGENCY REPRESENTATIVE FROM HART.
9:36:03AM THE PREVAILING SIDE, THE SIDE IN FAVOR OF THE WIDENING,
9:36:07AM INCLUDED COMMISSIONER WOSTAL, THE ORIGINAL MOVEMENT, THEA,
9:36:13AM THE PORT, THE AIRPORT, THE SCHOOL BOARD, PLANT CITY, TEMPLE
9:36:17AM TERRACE, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
9:36:20AM THIS BURDEN ON OUR CITIZENS IS BEING IMPOSED UPON US BY
9:36:25AM UNELECTED, UNACCOUNTABLE AGENCY REPRESENTATIVES, IN LARGE
9:36:29AM PART, AND MAYORS OF TWO NEIGHBORING MUNICIPALITIES.
9:36:34AM THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE IS REFLECTED BY OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS
9:36:39AM WAS TOTALLY IGNORED.
9:36:42AM THE RESOLUTION THAT I'M REQUESTING TODAY IS CONSISTENT WITH
9:36:45AM PRECEDENT SET BY THIS BODY.
9:36:50AM YOU HAVE PREVIOUSLY TAKEN POSITIONS IN OPPOSITION TO TBX
9:36:53AM WRIT LARGE.
9:36:54AM YOU'VE TAKEN POSITIONS IN OPPOSITION TO TOLL ROADS THROUGH
9:36:57AM THE CITY.
9:36:58AM I THINK THAT MOTION WAS ACTUALLY MADE BY COUNCIL DINGFELDER
9:37:03AM BACK IN THE DAY.
9:37:04AM WHAT I'M ASKING YOU TO DO IS SEND A MESSAGE BACK TO THE TPO
9:37:07AM BOARD AND IN PARTICULAR TO OUR MUNICIPAL SISTER COMMUNITIES
9:37:11AM THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA IS TRULY OPPOSED TO THIS.
9:37:14AM APPARENTLY THEY ARE NOT GOING TO LISTEN TO THE THREE OF YOU
9:37:17AM ON THE TPO BOARD, MAYBE THEY WILL LISTEN TO THE ENTIRE
9:37:22AM COUNCIL.
9:37:22AM I THANK YOU.
9:37:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MS. LENA YOUNG GREEN, YOU ARE NEXT.
9:37:25AM FOLLOWED BY MS. CONNIE BURTON.
9:37:27AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:37:27AM THANK YOU FOR ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO COME TO SPEAK BEFORE
9:37:30AM YOU ALL.
9:37:31AM IT'S ALWAYS A PRIVILEGE FOR US AS CITIZENS TO BE ABLE TO
9:37:37AM TALK TO ELECTED OFFICIALS BY COMING BEFORE YOU AND
9:37:39AM PARTICIPATING IN PUBLIC HEARING.
9:37:41AM TODAY, I'M ASKING ABOUT THE TREES.
9:37:45AM IN ADDITION TO THE EXPANSION OF THE INTERSTATE AS WE HEARD
9:37:50AM EARLIER, IT ALSO INCLUDES REMOVING TREES.
9:37:53AM D.O.T. REMOVED A BUNCH OF TREES ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE
9:37:56AM INTERSTATE FOR FURTHER EXPANSION, PARTICULARLY IN TAMPA
9:38:00AM HEIGHTS.
9:38:02AM AT ROBLES PARK, WE ASKED THAT THEY PUT TREES RATHER THAN PUT
9:38:06AM WALLS.
9:38:07AM NOW, WE KNOW THAT TREES CLEANS THE AIR, CLEANS THE SOIL, AND
9:38:11AM CLEANS THE WATER, AND IT ALSO AFFECTS THE SOUND.
9:38:14AM SO THE FACT THAT D.O.T. INSISTED THAT A WALL MUST GO THERE,
9:38:18AM HAVING TREES NEXT TO THE PARK WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH MORE
9:38:22AM BENEFICIAL OVERALL.
9:38:23AM WE IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE TO BREATHE THOSE AIR.
9:38:28AM OUR RESIDENTS FISH IN THOSE PONDS.
9:38:30AM WE HAVE THE -- WHERE THE RUNOFF WATER GOES FROM THE
9:38:34AM INTERSTATE AND IT AFFECTS OUR COMMUNITY.
9:38:36AM I DO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE CITY OF TAMPA BECAUSE YOU
9:38:40AM STEPPED UP AND IN THIS DISCUSSION, MR. BRAD SUDER CAME AND
9:38:48AM MET WITH US AT THE PARK AND HE HAS SINCE SENT US A PLAN TO
9:38:51AM PUT 331 TREES INSIDE THE PARK, WHICH IS THE PLACE THAT THE
9:38:56AM CITY OF TAMPA HAS CONTROL OVER.
9:38:59AM AND THAT WILL IMPROVE ALL OF THE THINGS THAT I REFERRED TO
9:39:03AM ALONG THAT WAY.
9:39:04AM SO I WANTED TO THANK YOU ALL AND LET YOU KNOW HOW MUCH WE
9:39:07AM THE CITIZENS APPRECIATE IT.
9:39:08AM AND PLEASE DO ALL YOU CAN TO AVOID D.O.T. CONTINUING TO
9:39:13AM EXPAND MORE CAPACITY AND MORE SPACE ON THE INTERSTATE.
9:39:18AM THANK YOU.
9:39:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:39:19AM NEXT UP, MS. CONNIE BURTON FOLLOWED BY MS. STEPHANIE POYNOR.
9:39:23AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:39:24AM CONNIE BURTON.
9:39:26AM ITEM NUMBER 95 IS WHAT I REALLY WANT TO SPEAK TO.
9:39:30AM DURING THE MAYOR'S FIRST TERM AND UNDER THE LEADERSHIP,
9:39:36AM DIRECTOR VANESSA McCLEARY, TWO OF THE INFILL LOTS HAD BEEN
9:39:41AM PROMISED AS DEMONSTRATION MODELS GIVEN TO ROBIN DONALDSON
9:39:48AM AND TO MYSELF, CONNIE BURTON, BUT WE HAVE YET TO BE ABLE TO
9:39:52AM LIVE TO THAT FULFILLMENT IN THE MAYOR'S TRANSITIONING TAMPA
9:39:57AM FOR TOMORROW AND ALL OF THAT.
9:39:58AM SO BEFORE YOU MOVE TOWARD HOW YOU'RE GOING TO DO THOSE
9:40:03AM INFILL LOTS, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO INVESTIGATE AS TO WHY
9:40:06AM WE WAS NOT ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT FIRST PROMISE.
9:40:09AM YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY USUALLY PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION TO
9:40:12AM THE DNC CONVENTION, BUT WHAT WAS THE HIGHLIGHT FOR ME IS
9:40:17AM THAT A CATALYST OF AFRICAN PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE
9:40:22AM UNITED STATES HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE RINGING SOUNDS OF MAKING
9:40:25AM FREEDOM COME TO THE REALITY OF EVEN FORMER ENSLAVED PEOPLE.
9:40:32AM SO STATE BY STATE, THEY HAD TO MENTION THE CONTRIBUTION OF
9:40:37AM AFRICAN PEOPLE, WHETHER A YOUNG FREDERICK DOUGLASS AT 34
9:40:42AM YEARS OLD COURAGEOUS TO GO AND SAY WHAT IS YOUR 4th OF
9:40:45AM JULY TO US.
9:40:46AM IF IT WAS SISTER SHIRLEY CHISHOLM WITH HER MODEL OF BEING --
9:40:54AM STANDING AS THE FIRST CONGRESSIONAL BLACK WOMAN.
9:40:57AM NOW WE ARE SEEING HISTORY MOVE FORWARD AGAIN.
9:41:01AM WHAT WE CALL ON IN THIS CITY GOVERNMENT AS THE NATIONAL DNC
9:41:07AM AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY MOVE TO CONSOLIDATE A STRONG BASE,
9:41:13AM WE SAY TO WHAT IS THIS DEMOCRATIC COUNCIL DOING TO DEAL WITH
9:41:18AM THE ONGOING ISSUES THAT AFRICAN PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY
9:41:24AM CONTINUE TO DEAL WITH.
9:41:25AM YOU CAN'T IGNORE IT.
9:41:26AM WE ARE NOT FLOURISHING IN OUR COMMUNITY.
9:41:28AM WE DO NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES, THE INVESTMENT HAS NOT BEEN
9:41:31AM THERE.
9:41:32AM WHEN I TALK ABOUT HOMES COMING INTO OUR COMMUNITY AT
9:41:35AM $745,000, NOW, THE CITY IS NOT BUILDING THEM, BUT THE CITY
9:41:41AM SET THE TONE.
9:41:42AM THE CITY SET THE TONE THAT NOW WE ARE SEEING FOLKS THAT WAS
9:41:45AM ONCE IN BLIGHTED COMMUNITIES, BEING FORCED OUT OF THOSE
9:41:49AM COMMUNITIES TO END UP WHERE?
9:41:52AM IT CONTINUES LIKE A SNOWBALL TO HELL.
9:41:56AM SO WE ARE CALLING ON YOU TO HONOR RESOLUTION 568.
9:42:01AM WE CALL ON YOU TO LOOK AT ITEM NUMBER 24, THE ONGOING
9:42:06AM PROMISES TO THE NAACP.
9:42:09AM IN 2023, IT WAS DECLARED THAT IT WOULD GET $100,000.
9:42:13AM IT AIN'T GOT THERE YET.
9:42:15AM IN 2024, NOW IT'S BACK ON THE AGENDA TODAY.
9:42:18AM WE DO NOT WANT IT TO BE A MERE TALKING POINT BECAUSE WE
9:42:22AM BELIEVE THAT IF THE ORGANIZATION IS ABLE TO HAVE REAL
9:42:26AM RESOURCES, WHICH HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IS NOTHING TO A
9:42:31AM CITY THAT HAS A $2 BILLION BUDGET.
9:42:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:42:33AM MS. STEPHANIE POYNOR FOLLOWED BY PASTOR FRANK WILLIAMS.
9:42:37AM GOOD MORNING.
9:42:39AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:42:40AM STEPHANIE POYNOR.
9:42:41AM YOU KNOW, CONNIE BROUGHT UP A VERY IMPORTANT POINT.
9:42:44AM WE HAVE THINGS THAT WERE IN THE BUDGET LAST YEAR THAT
9:42:46AM HAVEN'T BEEN SPENT.
9:42:47AM WHERE DID IT GO?
9:42:48AM WHERE DID THE MONEY GO?
9:42:49AM OH, HMM.
9:42:51AM I DON'T KNOW.
9:42:52AM I'M ON THE BUDGET COMMITTEE BUT YET WE TALK ABOUT STUFF LIKE
9:42:56AM THE NAACP.
9:42:57AM BUT LET ME GO BACK TO WHAT I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT TO
9:43:00AM START WITH.
9:43:01AM I HAVE TWO TEENAGERS AT HOME.
9:43:02AM I GIVE THEM THEIR MONEY.
9:43:03AM THEY HAVE A BUDGET.
9:43:04AM THIS IS YOUR MONEY FOR THE SCHOOL CLOTHES, RIGHT?
9:43:07AM THEY GO.
9:43:08AM THEY SPEND EVERY PENNY THEY HAVE ON THEIR SCHOOL CLOTHES AT
9:43:11AM THE MALL.
9:43:12AM THEN THEY COME BACK TO MOM AND GO, BUT MOM, I NEED SHOES.
9:43:17AM THERE ARE HOLES IN MY CHUCKS.
9:43:19AM WHOSE PROBLEM IS THAT?
9:43:21AM IT BECOMES MY PROBLEM BECAUSE MY CHILDREN DIDN'T A REALLY
9:43:25AM PISS POOR JOB OF BUDGETING, RIGHT?
9:43:30AM I FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHY I'M STANDING HERE TODAY ABOUT THIS
9:43:34AM $40 MILLION THAT WE NEED FOR A FORENSICS LAB BECAUSE WE HAVE
9:43:39AM ALREADY WENT TO THE MALL AND SPENT ALL THE MONEY ON OUR
9:43:41AM WANTS INSTEAD OF SAVING THE MONEY FOR OUR NEEDS.
9:43:44AM I JUST FIND IT VERY, VERY SUSPECT THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS
9:43:47AM COMES UP NOW TWO, THREE WEEKS A MONTH AFTER THE RIVERWALK
9:43:51AM WHERE YOU WANTED $26 MILLION THEN.
9:43:54AM I'M SORRY, BUT HOW MANY MORTGAGES ARE WE GOING TO GET.
9:43:56AM THIS IS A MORTGAGE.
9:43:57AM THEY WANT TO MORTGAGE THIS.
9:43:59AM LET'S GET REALISTIC.
9:44:00AM SPEAKING OF BUDGETING, THE F.D.O.T. GUY, HE GETS UP THERE
9:44:05AM AND HE'S LIKE, OH, WELL, WE HAVE A PLAN FOR MASS TRANSIT.
9:44:09AM WE WANT TO FINISH THE STREETCAR.
9:44:10AM THOSE ARE THE CHEAP WAYS TO DO THINGS.
9:44:15AM BUILDING MORE LANES ON THE INTERSTATE IS THE EXPENSIVE WAY.
9:44:17AM WHEN MY TENANTS CALL ME, AND THEY SAY MY AIR-CONDITIONER IS
9:44:20AM OUT, THE FIRST THING I TELL THEM IS CHECK THE BREAKERS.
9:44:24AM CHECK THE PIPES.
9:44:25AM IS THE BUTTON POPPED UP?
9:44:26AM BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THEY ARE REALLY, REALLY SIMPLE FIXES
9:44:30AM UP FRONT THAT COST US NOTHING.
9:44:32AM BUT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, WE IMMEDIATELY PICK UP AND CALL
9:44:35AM THE AIR-CONDITIONING FOLKS AND READY TO SPEND $300 TO HAVE
9:44:38AM THEM COME FIX SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS FLIPPING A BREAKER.
9:44:42AM WE DON'T USE COMMON SENSE AROUND HERE.
9:44:45AM LIKE I SAID, I WANT TO KNOW WHERE CONNIE'S MONEY WENT
9:44:48AM BECAUSE THAT KEEPS HAPPENING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
9:44:52AM FINANCED $330 MILLION WORTH OF DEBT.
9:44:56AM I MEAN, THIS IS JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
9:44:58AM HANNA STREET.
9:44:59AM GIANT EMPTY CAVE.
9:45:00AM GIANT EMPTY CAVE!
9:45:02AM PUT SOME TPD FOLKS IN THERE FOR A WHILE.
9:45:06AM USE WHAT YOU GOT OVER HERE FOR BIG BLUE FOR THE FORENSICS
9:45:11AM LAB.
9:45:12AM INSTEAD OF GOING AND PISSING AWAY MORE MONEY.
9:45:15AM WE ARE SPENDING OUR CHILDREN'S FUTURE.
9:45:18AM IT'S MY JOB AS A PARENT TO TEACH MY CHILDREN HOW TO BUDGET
9:45:22AM AND HOW TO SPEND MONEY.
9:45:27AM IT'S YOUR JOB TO REMIND FOLKS COMING UP WITH DOUBLE HANDS
9:45:30AM OUT WANTING MONEY FOR NEW SHOES BUT THEY SPENT ALL THEIR
9:45:33AM MONEY AT THE MALL, MAYBE IT'S TIME TO TAKE SOMETHING BACK.
9:45:36AM MAYBE IT'S TIME TO GO BACK TO MACY'S AND RETURN THE CLOTHING
9:45:40AM YOU BOUGHT SO YOU COULD HAVE A PAIR OF SHOES.
9:45:42AM I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T.
9:45:46AM TELL THEM TO GIVE IT BACK.
9:45:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PASTOR WILLIAMS FOLLOWED BY DARYL HYCH.
9:45:56AM >> MY NAME IS PASTOR FRANK WILLIAMS.
9:45:58AM LOCATED AT 1112 EAST SCOTT STREET, PARADISE MISSIONARY
9:46:04AM BAPTIST CHURCH.
9:46:05AM YOU KNOW, I CAN HARDLY COME DOWN HERE NOW, BUT I THANK GOD
9:46:11AM FOR BLESSING ME TO SEE ANOTHER DAY.
9:46:14AM GLORIFY THE HOLY FATHER BECAUSE THAT'S WHO I BELIEVE IN.
9:46:17AM YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO GET A COMMITTEE THAT WOULD GO TO
9:46:21AM WASHINGTON, D.C. WITH ME, AND WE NEED TO GO THERE, WHAT YOU
9:46:26AM ALL CALL IT, BANK, NOT THE BANK, I'M FORGETFUL NOW.
9:46:36AM SUPREME COURT.
9:46:38AM YEAH.
9:46:39AM NOTHING ABOUT THEM SUPREME.
9:46:43AM WHO IS SUPREME IS JESUS CHRIST, AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT YOU
9:46:48AM ALL TO KNOW.
9:46:49AM I WANT TO GIVE YOU ALL A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY, WHAT YOU ALL
9:46:53AM CALL BLACK HISTORY.
9:46:54AM I HAD A MUSEUM AT THE CHURCH.
9:46:57AM THE CITY MADE ME MOVE IT OUT OF THERE BECAUSE I HAD SO MUCH
9:47:02AM GOING ON THERE.
9:47:03AM I HAD SHACKLES AND EVERYTHING.
9:47:05AM SLAVE SHACKLES AND ALL THAT STUFF.
9:47:08AM THE CITY MADE ME MOVE IT OUT.
9:47:11AM ONE GUY COME DOWN THERE NAMED WILLIAM SOMETHING.
9:47:14AM I DON'T KNOW AND DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT THE NAME IS.
9:47:19AM HE WANTED TO TAKE OVER THE CHURCH.
9:47:21AM SO I THOUGHT HE WAS DOING A GOOD DEED.
9:47:24AM YOU'RE GOING TO STAY THERE THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.
9:47:27AM I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG MY LIFE IS, BUT THAT'S WHAT HE TOLD
9:47:30AM ME.
9:47:30AM PEOPLE GIVE YOU A VERBAL COMMENT AND ABIDE BY WHEN THEY HAVE
9:47:37AM TO GO TO COURT AND TELL A WHOLE BUNCH OF LIES.
9:47:40AM AND THAT'S WHERE I'M STANDING NOW.
9:47:43AM I DON'T EVEN GO TO MY CHURCH LIKE I USED TO BECAUSE MY LIFE
9:47:48AM BEEN THREATENED.
9:47:49AM TOLD ME HE CATCH ME WALKING AROUND THE CHURCH.
9:47:57AM HE GOING TO TAKE MY HEAD OFF MY SHOULDER.
9:48:00AM ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF.
9:48:01AM I TOLD YOU THAT ABOUT A YEAR AGO, YOU ALL THAT WAS HERE.
9:48:05AM YOU KNOW WHAT?
9:48:06AM I KNOW MY TIME AIN'T -- AIN'T WORRIED ABOUT HOW LONG I'LL BE
9:48:12AM HERE.
9:48:13AM I DO WANT TO GET A COMMITTEE AND GO TO WASHINGTON, D.C., GO
9:48:18AM TO THE SUPREME COURT AND TELL THEM ABOUT THEMSELVES.
9:48:21AM DON'T WANT PRAYING IN SCHOOL.
9:48:26AM DON'T WANT LITTLE CHILDREN SAYING GRACE IN SCHOOL.
9:48:28AM WHAT KIND OF COMMITTEE IS THAT?
9:48:30AM THAT'S RIDICULOUS.
9:48:32AM THAT'S SICKENING TOO.
9:48:35AM WHITE KIDS GOING TO SCHOOL IN TEXAS SHOOTING UP ALL THE
9:48:42AM LITTLE KIDS AND THE TEACHER.
9:48:44AM DID THE SAME THING IN CONNECTICUT, SHOOT UP ALL THE KIDS AND
9:48:49AM TEACHERS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT US TO PRAY IN SCHOOL.
9:48:52AM THAT'S ALL WE HAD TO DO.
9:48:55AM PRAY IN THE NAME OF JESUS.
9:48:57AM I GUARANTEE HE'LL GIVE US ALL THE VICTORY.
9:49:01AM I THANK GOD -- YOU ALL NEED TO GIVE US MORE TIME.
9:49:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
9:49:11AM >> I AIN'T GOT HALF OF WHAT I WANT TO SAY.
9:49:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DARYL HYCH AND ANDRE HILL.
9:49:17AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
9:49:18AM DARYL HYCH.
9:49:18AM BEN FRANKLIN SAID THAT DEMOCRACY IS TWO WOLVES AND A SHEEP.
9:49:27AM VOTING ON WHAT TO HAVE FOR DINNER.
9:49:30AM AND LIBERTY IS A WELL-ARMED SHEATH PROTESTING THE VOTE.
9:49:36AM SEPTEMBER 3rd, 2020, YOU GAVE US EVERYTHING WE NEEDED TO
9:49:45AM PROTECT -- TO PROTEST THE VOTE.
9:49:48AM YOU GAVE US EVERYTHING WE NEEDED SO THAT THE DEMOCRACY THAT
9:49:51AM WAS PUT IN PLACE IN TERMS OF HOW YOU AGREED AND YOU
9:49:58AM APOLOGIZED ON RESOLUTION 568 ON HOW THE WRONGS AND VARIABLES
9:50:03AM HAD BEEN DONE AGAINST BLACK PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:50:07AM AS THE WOLVES OF DEMOCRACY, YOU UNDERSTOOD WHEN YOU MADE
9:50:12AM THIS VOTE THAT YOU CLEARLY IDENTIFIED THE WRONGS THAT HAD
9:50:16AM HAPPENED AGAINST BLACK PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:50:18AM YOU FULLY UNDERSTOOD THAT.
9:50:23AM SOMEWHERE IN THE ANNALS OF HISTORY AND BASED ON
9:50:27AM ADMINISTRATION CHANGES AND VARIABLES LIKE THAT, YOU HAPPENED
9:50:29AM TO SLIDE THIS UP UNDER THE DESK AND NEVER BROUGHT IT BACK UP
9:50:33AM AGAIN.
9:50:33AM DECEMBER 8 I SHOWED UP ON YOUR SHORES RIGHT HERE TO DISCUSS
9:50:38AM THIS RESOLUTION.
9:50:38AM SINCE DECEMBER 8, ALL THE WAY UP TO DATE, WE'VE BEEN COMING
9:50:42AM DOWN HERE CONSISTENTLY TALKING ABOUT RESOLUTION NUMBER 568.
9:50:47AM THE ONLY THING WE'RE ASKING IS THE VARIOUS THINGS THAT YOU
9:50:52AM DOCUMENTED.
9:50:55AM FORMER FIRST LADY MICHELLE OBAMA STATED THIS WEEK DURING THE
9:51:01AM DNC, DO SOMETHING.
9:51:03AM SHE SAID DO SOMETHING.
9:51:07AM DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU STATED THAT
9:51:11AM PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS TO ENCOURAGE AND FACILITATE
9:51:16AM INVESTMENTS IN LOW-INCOME AREAS TO REDUCE INEQUALITY, INCOME
9:51:20AM AND WEALTH, DO SOMETHING BECAUSE YOU KNEW THIS WAS AN ISSUE.
9:51:24AM DO SOMETHING ABOUT REFORMS TO POLICING THE REDUCED RACIAL
9:51:30AM DISPARITIES AND PROVIDE FOR THE SAFETY AND VITALITY OF
9:51:33AM COMMUNITIES OF COLOR.
9:51:34AM DO SOMETHING.
9:51:37AM WE'RE JUST ASKING YOU TO DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD REDUCE
9:51:41AM POLICIES THAT ELIMINATE DISPROPORTIONATE MASS INCARCERATION
9:51:46AM OF PEOPLE OF COLOR AND PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR MEANINGFUL
9:51:50AM REHABILITATION AND REENTER INTO THE COMMUNITY.
9:51:53AM DO SOMETHING.
9:51:54AM THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO IS TO DO SOMETHING.
9:51:57AM DON'T SHOW UP WITH BLANK CHECKS AND DON'T SHOW UP WITH
9:52:02AM CONTINUOUSLY MOVING THE GOAL LINE FURTHER AND FURTHER AWAY,
9:52:05AM BECAUSE WE'RE ON THE SHORES OF A FOUR-YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF
9:52:09AM RESOLUTION NUMBER 568.
9:52:11AM AND ALL WE KEEP COMING DOWN HERE SAYING, AS THE FORMER FIRST
9:52:15AM LADY SAID, DO SOMETHING, GUYS.
9:52:18AM JUST DO SOMETHING.
9:52:20AM THANK YOU.
9:52:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:52:22AM MR. ANDRE HILL FOLLOWED BY MR. MENTESNOT.
9:52:28AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
9:52:30AM MY NAME IS ANDRE HILL.
9:52:31AM I AM WORKING ON A COMMUNITY GARDEN THROUGH THE CRA PLAN.
9:52:42AM 46 YEARS AGO I LEFT TAMPA BECAUSE AS A YOUNG BLACK MAN, THE
9:52:46AM RACISM THAT EXISTS HERE IS VERY PREVALENT AND I DIDN'T SEE
9:52:50AM ANY OPPORTUNITIES, ESPECIALLY AFTER MY MOTHER AT 51 DIED AND
9:52:55AM 78 MY FATHER, 56 DIED IN 1980.
9:53:00AM I MOVED AWAY TO TRY TO FIND OTHER OPPORTUNITIES.
9:53:02AM AFTER 46 YEARS, I RETURNED HERE 11 YEARS AGO.
9:53:06AM AND THAT RACISM IS STILL HERE.
9:53:08AM NOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'VE ADOPTED A RESOLUTION
9:53:11AM ACKNOWLEDGING THE RACISM.
9:53:15AM BUT AS THE YOUNG MAN JUST SAID, YOU'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING
9:53:18AM ABOUT IT.
9:53:18AM WITH THIS COMMUNITY GARDEN SITUATION, WHOEVER CRAFTED THE
9:53:23AM WORDING FOR THE REIMBURSABLE GRANT, KNEW WHAT THEY WERE
9:53:27AM DOING.
9:53:27AM THEY KNEW THAT IT WOULD BE A PROBLEM FOR NONPROFIT
9:53:30AM ORGANIZATIONS THAT WANT TO DO SOMETHING AND CONTRIBUTE TO
9:53:33AM THE COMMUNITY.
9:53:34AM THEY KNEW THAT.
9:53:35AM AND EVERY BANK, EVERY FINANCIAL INSTITUTION THAT WE WENT TO
9:53:39AM TO GET A LINE OF CREDIT ESTABLISHED NOW WE CAN'T DO THAT.
9:53:43AM ONE PARTICULAR BANK, WE TOOK IN A GUARANTOR WITH 800 CREDIT
9:53:48AM SCORE AND ASSETS AND LIQUID, AND THEY TOLD THE GUARANTOR,
9:53:52AM FIFTH-THIRD BANK, TELL YOU WHO IT WAS.
9:53:55AM YOU HAVE TO GO TAKE OUT A PERSONAL LOAN.
9:54:00AM I'VE DONE LOANS FOR NONPROFITS IN OTHER STATES.
9:54:03AM THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO.
9:54:08AM THIS IS WHAT KIND OF PROBLEMS.
9:54:09AM THIS SORT OF STRESS, THE SAME STRESS THAT KILLED MY MOTHER
9:54:12AM AND FATHER, LANDED ME IN THE HOSPITAL BACK IN OCTOBER WITH
9:54:15AM DOUBLE BYPASS SURGERY.
9:54:17AM THE STRESS OF PREDATORY NEIGHBORS THAT WANTS TO BUY THIS
9:54:22AM PROPERTY FROM THE LADY THAT'S RENTING US THE PROPERTY TO
9:54:26AM DEVELOP THIS COMMUNITY.
9:54:26AM SHE'S HAVING HEALTH PROBLEMS NOW FROM THE STRESS OF HER
9:54:30AM BEING ABLE TO CAUSE, SOMEWHERE HERE IN THE CITY GOVERNMENT
9:54:35AM AND HARASS HER AND US ABOUT THIS PROPERTY.
9:54:38AM SO IT'S BEEN AN ONGOING THING THAT NOW THE CITY RECOGNIZES
9:54:45AM THAT, OH, MAYBE THIS ALONE IS A PROBLEM.
9:54:49AM THEY ESTABLISHED A NEW POLICY TO HELP PEOPLE GET THE MONEY
9:54:54AM THAT THEY NEED, BUT NOW AT MY EXPENSE.
9:54:59AM THE LADY THAT'S RENTING US THE PROPERTY, EXPENSE.
9:55:02AM ALMOST IN THE HOSPITAL AND ONE LEG IN THE GRAVE BECAUSE OF
9:55:08AM THE STRESS.
9:55:09AM AND THE INFLUENCE THAT THESE OUTSIDE DEVELOPERS HAVE.
9:55:14AM ONE PARTICULAR DEVELOPER THAT'S BUYING UP ALL YBOR CITY THAT
9:55:18AM IS A DESCENDANT OF SOUTH AFRICA WHO PUT A BLACK MAN OUT OF
9:55:23AM HIS BUILDING, HE HIRED MY ARCHITECT TO CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS.
9:55:26AM SO THE YOUNG MAN, DAVE AT COVE HE OPTED TO SAY WE'LL HELP
9:55:35AM YOU GET THROUGH THE PROGRAM.
9:55:37AM ANDREA WESTOVER NEEDS TO BE TALKED TO.
9:55:40AM I'M ASKING CITY COUNCIL TO TALK TO CEDRIC McCRAY AND DEE
9:55:44AM REEVES ABOUT THIS ISSUE BEFORE I LAND IN THE HOSPITAL AGAIN.
9:55:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, SIR.
9:55:50AM OUR LAST SPEAKER IS MR. MENTESNOT.
9:55:57AM GOOD MORNING, SIR.
9:56:00AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:56:02AM >> MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
9:56:04AM JAMES BROWN SAID BLACK AND PROUD.
9:56:07AM MENTESNOT SAY BLACK AND STUPID.
9:56:11AM BLACK AND STUPID.
9:56:14AM AFRICAN PEOPLE HAVE TO BE STUPID.
9:56:18AM 800 YEARS OF STUPIDITY, IF WE HAVE BLACK-ELECTED OFFICIALS,
9:56:24AM BLACKER THAN ME, NEVER HEARD OF C.L. PATTERSON, ERIC
9:56:29AM WILLIAMS, THOMAS SANKARA, HUEY P. NEWTON, MAURICE BISHOP.
9:56:35AM KWAME NKRUMAH.
9:56:36AM QUEEN MOTHER MOORE.
9:56:40AM OMALI YESHITELA.
9:56:42AM FRED HAMPTON, NEVER TALK ABOUT REPARATIONS.
9:56:45AM NEVER HEARD OF KWAME TURE.
9:56:50AM NEVER HEARD OF HENRY SYLVESTER WILLIAMS.
9:56:53AM BUT WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ALLEGEDLY REPRESENTING US THAT NEVER
9:57:03AM HEARD THE WORD COLONIALISM.
9:57:05AM DON'T KNOW HOW THE RULING CLASS AFFECT OR NEAR COLONIALISM
9:57:10AM OR CAPITALISM AFFECT AFRICAN PEOPLE INTERNATIONALLY, AFFECT
9:57:16AM AFRICA, AUSTRALIA, NEW ZEALAND, ALASKA, AND OTHER PLACES
9:57:21AM WHERE WHITE PEOPLE HAVE INVADED.
9:57:23AM WHITE PEOPLE 11% OF THE POPULATION.
9:57:25AM 11% OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION CONTROLS 100% OF THE WORLD'S
9:57:30AM MILITARY.
9:57:32AM CONTROLS 100% OF THE WORLD ECONOMY.
9:57:34AM IF THEY DON'T LIKE YOUR GAME PLAN, THEY PUT YOU OUT OF THE
9:57:39AM GAME.
9:57:39AM THEY DOING IT ALL OVER.
9:57:42AM THE SAME WAY THEY PUT BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS OUT OF BLACK
9:57:45AM NEIGHBORHOODS.
9:57:46AM WHEN THEY READY FOR IT, THEY COME IN, GENTRIFY IT AND DO
9:57:50AM WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO WITH IT.
9:57:52AM THEY LEAVE US IN PLACES, NO BUS ROUTE OR ANYTHING OF THAT
9:57:56AM NATURE.
9:57:57AM BUT AFRICAN PEOPLE HAVE TO STAND UP TO THAT.
9:58:02AM WE HAVE TO RESIST THAT KIND OF TYRANNY.
9:58:05AM THE TYRANNY THAT YOU SEE GOING ON RIGHT NOW IN PALESTINE, WE
9:58:09AM SEE PEOPLE RESISTING THAT.
9:58:11AM THEY ARE RESISTING IT.
9:58:13AM COMMON PEOPLE RESISTING IT.
9:58:16AM IT IS THE SAME KIND OF TYRANNY THE CITY HAVE HAD US UNDER.
9:58:22AM I HEAR PEOPLE RIGHT NOW TODAY IN 2024 BEGGING FOR HOUSING IN
9:58:28AM THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:58:31AM AND I KNEW BACK 50 YEARS AGO WHEN PEOPLE WERE BEGGING FOR
9:58:37AM HOUSING IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, WHEN THEY HAD ALL KIND OF
9:58:40AM SCHEMES AND ALL KIND OF PROMISES AND NOTHING COMING THROUGH.
9:58:43AM THIS CITY, THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, THEY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING
9:58:48AM BETTER.
9:58:51AM MUST.
9:58:52AM DUTY AND RESPONSIBILITY.
9:58:53AM NO IFS, ANDS, OR BUTS.
9:58:57AM IT IS THEIR DUTY AND RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
9:59:00AM AND WE'RE SEEING SOME OF THAT COMING THROUGH ON AN
9:59:04AM INTERNATIONAL LEVEL AT THE DNC RIGHT NOW BECAUSE A LOT OF
9:59:07AM AFRICAN PEOPLE GETTING UP THERE AND SPEAKING THAT AIN'T
9:59:10AM NEVER SCARED.
9:59:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
9:59:11AM ALL RIGHT.
9:59:13AM THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:59:14AM DID YOU SIGN A CARD?
9:59:18AM >> NO.
9:59:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU DID NOT.
9:59:22AM >> I JUST SIGNED ON THE REGISTRATION.
9:59:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK: MOTION TO ALLOW --
9:59:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MS. LOCKETT, DID YOU SIGN UP FOR PUBLIC
9:59:31AM COMMENT.
9:59:31AM >> NO.
9:59:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MS. BULLOCK, COME UP.
9:59:34AM >> VALERIE BULLOCK.
9:59:36AM I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT NUMBER 24, THE RESOLUTION FOR THE
9:59:39AM NAACP.
9:59:41AM THE NAACP HAS BEEN A HUB OF THE COMMUNITY, NOT ONLY FOR
9:59:45AM BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE, BUT FOR ALL PEOPLE.
9:59:48AM IT UNITES DIFFERENT CULTURES AND NATIONALITY.
9:59:54AM AND FOR THE LAST YEARS THAT I'VE KNOWN OF, NAACP HAS BEEN
9:59:57AM ONLY GIVEN $10,000.
9:59:59AM NOW, IT WAS A RESOLUTION THAT WAS PASSED THAT THEY ARE
10:00:02AM SUPPOSED TO GET $100,000.
10:00:05AM THAT MONEY HASN'T BEEN RELEASED TO THE NAACP.
10:00:08AM HOW DO THAT AFFECT ME AND PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY?
10:00:11AM THE NAACP, THEY HAVE EMPOWERMENT WORKSHOPS.
10:00:14AM THEY HAVE ALL KIND OF ENTREPRENEUR TRAINING AND INCENTIVES,
10:00:18AM AND THEY HELP YOU GET YOUR LICENSES AND GET YOUR BUSINESSES
10:00:22AM ESTABLISHED.
10:00:24AM HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS BEING WITHHELD, THAT'S BIG LEADERS
10:00:28AM IN MY COMMUNITY LIKE ME NOT BEING ABLE TO GET OUR BUSINESS
10:00:32AM UP AND GOING, NOT GETTING THE SUPPORT THAT WE NEED.
10:00:35AM I GO DOWN 22nd STREET AND SEE THE STORES, THOSE BUSINESS
10:00:40AM LEADERS, MOST OF THEM ARE FROM MIDDLE EAST.
10:00:44AM THEY HAVE STORES.
10:00:44AM THEY ARE ABLE TO GET THEIR BUSINESS GOING.
10:00:47AM I WOULD LIKE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY AND PEOPLE IN MY
10:00:50AM NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD LIKE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY.
10:00:54AM WE HAVE ALL HAVE BIG IDEAS AND BIG DREAMS AND THE NAACP SAY,
10:00:57AM YES, WE'RE GOING TO PARTNER WITH YOU.
10:00:59AM YES, WE'RE GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH THIS AND SHOW YOU HOW
10:01:02AM TO DO THIS BUT WITHOUT FUNDING IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE
10:01:05AM BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT YOU NEED TO GET MONEY TO GET MONEY AND
10:01:07AM MONEY MAKES THE WORLD GO AROUND.
10:01:10AM PLEASE, IN THE SPIRIT OF -- I DON'T KNOW -- JUST RELEASE THE
10:01:14AM MONEY BECAUSE TOO MANY TIMES WHEN WE CAME DOWN HERE AND WE
10:01:17AM HEARD THIS AND IT JUST WORDS.
10:01:20AM IT'S LIKE THINGS ARE BEING SAID AND DONE SYMBOLICALLY.
10:01:25AM BUT WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF DOING WHAT WE SAID WE WERE GOING
10:01:32AM TO DO.
10:01:32AM THAT RIGHT THERE IS WHAT MESSES UP THE TRUST.
10:01:37AM IT JUST BREACHES US, THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY OF TAMPA
10:01:41AM FROM THE CITIZENS.
10:01:42AM IF YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT, LET'S DO IT AND LET'S DO
10:01:45AM IT AS QUICK AND POSSIBLE.
10:01:47AM THANK YOU.
10:01:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
10:01:49AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:01:49AM WE HAD A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
10:01:52AM SECOND FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT?
10:01:53AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON?
10:01:54AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:01:56AM AYE.
10:01:58AM THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:02:00AM WE'LL GO TO COMMITTEE REPORTS.
10:02:01AM AS WAS STATED FOR ITEM 3, WE'LL MOVE THAT TO STAFF REPORTS.
10:02:07AM COUNCILMAN VIERA, MOVE 4 THROUGH 18.
10:02:09AM >>LUIS VIERA: MOVE 4 THROUGH 18.
10:02:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND -- YES,
10:02:13AM SIR.
10:02:15AM >>BILL CARLSON: [INAUDIBLE] HAS TO DO WITH THE SCHOOL
10:02:19AM DISTRICT MY FIRM WORKS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
10:02:21AM I'LL RECUSE MYSELF.
10:02:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S DO --
10:02:27AM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I PLEASE MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT MY
10:02:29AM FORM?
10:02:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
10:02:32AM SECOND FROM VIERA.
10:02:33AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:02:35AM >>LUIS VIERA: I MOVE ITEMS 4 THROUGH 11 AND 13 THROUGH 18.
10:02:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
10:02:40AM VIERA.
10:02:40AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:02:41AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:02:42AM AYE.
10:02:42AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:02:43AM DO A SEPARATE VOTE FOR ITEM 12.
10:02:46AM >>LUIS VIERA: I MOVE 12.
10:02:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
10:02:48AM VIERA, SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
10:02:50AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:02:53AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED --
10:02:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
10:02:55AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON
10:02:57AM ABSTAINING.
10:02:58AM AND CLENDENIN BEING ABSENT.
10:03:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOW WE HAVE -- ALL RIGHT.
10:03:05AM THAT COVERS IT.
10:03:06AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:03:06AM NEXT IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS COMMITTEE.
10:03:10AM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
10:03:10AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES, CHAIR.
10:03:12AM THANK YOU.
10:03:13AM FOR MS. VALERIE AND MS. CONNIE, MOVING THE RESOLUTION TODAY
10:03:17AM MEANS THAT THE CHECK IS COMING.
10:03:20AM ITEM 24, THAT'S WHAT IS HAPPENING TODAY, SO YOU KNOW.
10:03:23AM GLADLY I MOVE ITEMS 19 THROUGH 30, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY
10:03:31AM AFFAIRS -- 19 THROUGH 33.
10:03:34AM THANK YOU.
10:03:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
10:03:36AM HENDERSON.
10:03:36AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:03:37AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:03:39AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: CAN I ALSO MOVE 54 THROUGH 60.
10:03:42AM CLENDENIN IS NOT HERE TODAY.
10:03:45AM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I MAKE A COMMENT ON THOSE?
10:03:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
10:03:48AM NOW THAT WE'VE VOTED ON IT, AFTER THE MEETING OR TOMORROW
10:03:52AM MORNING WHEN THEY PREPARE IT, I SIGN THE ORDINANCE, THEN IT
10:03:55AM GOES TO THE MAYOR FOR FINAL SIGNATURE.
10:03:57AM THEN IT'S COMING.
10:04:00AM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
10:04:01AM >>BILL CARLSON: AS THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SAID, THAT
10:04:04AM MONEY WAS APPROVED A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
10:04:07AM IT SHOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN BACK AND FORTH AND FIGHTING.
10:04:10AM NO OTHER NONPROFIT THAT I'M AWARE OF HAS HAD TO GO THROUGH
10:04:14AM THAT KIND OF FIGHTING.
10:04:15AM IT'S NOT A CITY COUNCIL ISSUE, BUT WE SHOULD NOT TREAT
10:04:18AM NONPROFITS OF ANY KIND LIKE THAT.
10:04:19AM SECOND, I'M HAPPY TO SEE THE FLORIDA ORCHESTRA IS IN THERE.
10:04:23AM I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT BUT I'M GLAD WE'RE
10:04:26AM SUPPORTING THEM.
10:04:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD.
10:04:27AM ALL RIGHT.
10:04:27AM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, 34 THROUGH 40 WITH THE EXCEPTION OF
10:04:31AM 38 BECAUSE WE'LL HEAR THAT WITH 3.
10:04:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I MOVE ITEMS 34 THROUGH 37 AND 39 AND 40.
10:04:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
10:04:39AM HURTAK.
10:04:39AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
10:04:41AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:04:41AM AYE.
10:04:42AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:04:43AM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, 41 THROUGH 45.
10:04:47AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE ITEMS 41 THROUGH 45.
10:04:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:04:51AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
10:04:52AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:04:53AM AYE.
10:04:53AM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, 46 THROUGH 53.
10:04:56AM >>BILL CARLSON: MOVE 46 THROUGH 53.
10:04:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
10:05:00AM WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:05:02AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:05:02AM AYE.
10:05:03AM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, 54 THROUGH 60.
10:05:06AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I MOVE FOR MOBILITY ASSET MANAGEMENT
10:05:09AM COMMITTEE ITEMS 54 THROUGH 60.
10:05:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
10:05:13AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:05:16AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:05:16AM AYE.
10:05:17AM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO
10:05:20AM SET THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR 64 -- 61 THROUGH 64.
10:05:22AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THE DATE TO BE
10:05:26AM 61 THROUGH 64, THOSE FOUR ITEMS.
10:05:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
10:05:30AM MIRANDA.
10:05:31AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
10:05:32AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:05:32AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:05:33AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:05:35AM MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
10:05:36AM MAY I MAKE A SUGGESTION?
10:05:38AM MAYBE A RECOMMENDATION.
10:05:40AM TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO THE ITEMS THAT WERE MOVED TO
10:05:43AM STAFF REPORTS BECAUSE THEY ARE HIGH TICKET ITEMS.
10:05:46AM 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, THERE ARE NO STAFF TO BE PRESENT FOR
10:05:53AM THAT AND TO LET STAFF KNOW -- MAYBE COUNCIL WOULD BE WILLING
10:05:57AM TO TAKE IT UP AT THIS POINT?
10:06:03AM >>LYNN HURTAK: 86 THROUGH 91.
10:06:05AM I'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE 86 THROUGH 91.
10:06:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
10:06:10AM HURTAK TO MOVE 86 THROUGH 91.
10:06:13AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
10:06:15AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:06:16AM AYE.
10:06:18AM MARK THOSE OFF.
10:06:20AM MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN THE 10:00 PUBLIC HEARINGS?
10:06:22AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, SECOND FROM COUNCIL
10:06:24AM MEMBER HENDERSON.
10:06:25AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:06:25AM AYE.
10:06:33AM THESE ARE NON-QUASI-UNTIL 69 AND THEN SWEAR FOLKS IN AFTER.
10:06:36AM MR. MASSEY.
10:06:37AM 65.
10:06:37AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: YES, SIR.
10:06:38AM GOOD MORNING.
10:06:39AM MORRIS MASSEY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
10:06:41AM THIS IS SECOND READING ON AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD AMEND THE
10:06:44AM NOTICE PROCESS FOR CHAPTER 163 DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS,
10:06:49AM ANNUAL MONITORING REPORTS TO BE FILED IN CONNECTION WITH
10:06:52AM THOSE, THIS WAS DONE PER YOUR REQUEST AND BEING PROCESSED
10:06:56AM FOR SECOND READING NOW.
10:06:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK?
10:06:59AM NO.
10:06:59AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:07:00AM ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM 65?
10:07:03AM I SEE NO ONE.
10:07:04AM WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:07:07AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
10:07:08AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:07:09AM AYE.
10:07:10AM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, WOULD YOU MIND READING 65?
10:07:13AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
10:07:14AM I MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
10:07:16AM ADOPTION.
10:07:17AM AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, RELATING TO
10:07:19AM DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS ADOPTED PURSUANT TO THE FLORIDA LOCAL
10:07:22AM GOVERNMENT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ACT; RESCINDING CITY OF
10:07:25AM TAMPA ORDINANCE NUMBER 88-144 IN ITS ENTIRETY AND ADOPTING
10:07:30AM IN ITS PLACE UPDATED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PROCEDURES AND
10:07:32AM REQUIREMENTS INCLUDING NOTICE AND ANNUAL REPORTING
10:07:34AM REQUIREMENTS IN ARTICLE II, CHAPTER 17.5 OF THE CITY OF
10:07:37AM TAMPA CODE, WHICH ARTICLE II SHALL BE ENTITLED DEVELOPMENT
10:07:41AM AGREEMENT PROCEDURES AND REQUIREMENTS; AMENDING THE TITLE OF
10:07:44AM CHAPTER 17.5 OF THE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE TO AFFORDABLE
10:07:49AM HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, CONCURRENCY MANAGEMENT
10:07:51AM SYSTEM AND SUSTAINABILITY, AMENDING SECTION 27-6 OF THE CITY
10:07:54AM OF TAMPA CODE TO INCLUDE THIS ORDINANCE AS PART OF THE
10:07:57AM CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE; REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR
10:08:00AM PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH; PROVIDING FOR
10:08:04AM SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:08:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
10:08:07AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:08:08AM PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:08:12AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN BEING
10:08:15AM ABSENT.
10:08:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:08:18AM ITEM NUMBER 66.
10:08:23AM >>ROSS SAMONS: FILE VAC-24-05 IS ORDINANCE BEING CONSIDERED
10:08:29AM FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
10:08:31AM I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:08:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SAMONS?
10:08:35AM NO.
10:08:38AM IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON 66?
10:08:41AM I SEE NO ONE.
10:08:42AM MOTION TO CLOSE FROM MIRANDA.
10:08:44AM SECOND FROM HENDERSON.
10:08:44AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:08:45AM AYE.
10:08:45AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:08:46AM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
10:08:47AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I MOVE FILE VAC-24-05, AN ORDINANCE BEING
10:08:53AM CONSIDERED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
10:08:54AM AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING,
10:08:57AM CLOSING, DISCONTINUING, AND ABANDONING A PORTION OF
10:09:00AM CHANNELSIDE DRIVE RIGHT-OF-WAY LOCATED NORTH OF 3rd
10:09:03AM AVENUE, SOUTH OF 4th AVENUE, AND EAST OF NUCCIO PARKWAY
10:09:08AM AND WEST OF THE MERGER BETWEEN CHANNELSIDE DRIVE AND 4th
10:09:11AM AVENUE, WITHIN THE PLAT OF LESLEY'S SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY
10:09:15AM OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY
10:09:19AM DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS,
10:09:23AM CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH
10:09:26AM HEREIN; PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR
10:09:28AM VIOLATIONS; PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS, AND
10:09:32AM REPEALING CONFLICTS; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING
10:09:35AM AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:09:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
10:09:38AM HENDERSON.
10:09:38AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:09:40AM PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:09:43AM >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN
10:09:46AM BEING ABSENT.
10:09:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:09:49AM ITEM NUMBER 67, WE HAVE A SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE.
10:09:52AM MR. SAMONS.
10:09:53AM >>ROSS SAMONS: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION PRESENTING FILE
10:09:56AM VAC-24-07.
10:09:58AM THIS IS A SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
10:10:01AM READING AND ADOPTION.
10:10:01AM I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:10:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN?
10:10:04AM DO WE HAVE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON 67?
10:10:07AM I SEE NO ONE.
10:10:08AM MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE.
10:10:10AM MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
10:10:12AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:10:13AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:10:13AM AYE.
10:10:14AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:10:14AM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, THE SUBSTITUTE.
10:10:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
10:10:17AM FILE NUMBER VAC-24-07, SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED
10:10:23AM FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
10:10:25AM AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING,
10:10:27AM CLOSING, DISCONTINUING, AND ABANDONING GRANT AVENUE
10:10:31AM RIGHT-OF-WAY LOCATED NORTH OF THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, SOUTH
10:10:34AM VAN DYKE PLACE, EAST OF NEBRASKA AVENUE AND WEST OF THE
10:10:38AM INTERSECTION OF VAN DYKE PLACE AND RIVER COVE STREET WITHIN
10:10:41AM THE PLAT OF FANNYPRIDE SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
10:10:46AM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA, AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN
10:10:48AM SECTION 2 HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS, CONDITIONS,
10:10:52AM AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN;
10:10:55AM PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS;
10:10:57AM PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS, AND REPEALING
10:11:00AM CONFLICTS; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING AN
10:11:03AM EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:11:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
10:11:05AM HURTAK.
10:11:06AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:11:07AM PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:11:12AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN BEING
10:11:14AM ABSENT.
10:11:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:11:15AM ITEM NUMBER 68.
10:11:17AM >>ROSS SAMONS: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION PRESENTING FILE
10:11:19AM VAC-24-14.
10:11:21AM THIS ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
10:11:23AM ADOPTION.
10:11:24AM I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:11:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS?
10:11:26AM NO.
10:11:27AM DO WE HAVE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON 68?
10:11:29AM WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:11:31AM DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
10:11:32AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
10:11:34AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:11:35AM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, 68.
10:11:38AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE 68, FILE VAC-24-14,
10:11:42AM ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
10:11:44AM AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING,
10:11:46AM CLOSING, DISCONTINUING AND ABANDONING THAT ALLEYWAY LOCATED
10:11:50AM NORTH OF WASHINGTON STREET, SOUTH OF JACKSON STREET, EAST OF
10:11:52AM BRUSH STREET, AND WEST OF NEBRASKA AVENUE, WITHIN THE PLAT
10:11:56AM OF DREW'S ADDITION TO TOWN OF TAMPA SUBDIVISION, IN THE CITY
10:12:00AM OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY
10:12:04AM DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS,
10:12:07AM CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH
10:12:09AM HEREIN; PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR
10:12:12AM VIOLATIONS; PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS, AND
10:12:15AM REPEALING CONFLICTS; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING
10:12:18AM AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:12:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
10:12:20AM CARLSON.
10:12:21AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:12:22AM PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:12:26AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH HURTAK BEING
10:12:28AM ABSENT AT VOTE AND CLENDENIN BEING ABSENT.
10:12:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:12:34AM ITEM 69.
10:12:35AM >>ROSS SAMONS: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION, PRESENTING
10:12:38AM VAC-24-15, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
10:12:41AM ADOPTION.
10:12:42AM I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:12:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SAMONS?
10:12:45AM ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC FOR ITEM NUMBER 69?
10:12:47AM CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
10:12:50AM WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
10:12:52AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:12:53AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:12:53AM AYE.
10:12:54AM ITEM NUMBER 69 WE LEFT OFF WITH COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:13:00AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ITEM 69, FILE NUMBER VAC-24-15, ORDINANCE
10:13:05AM BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN
10:13:07AM ORDINANCE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING, CLOSING,
10:13:09AM DISCONTINUING, AND ABANDONING THAT ALLEYWAY LOCATED NORTH OF
10:13:12AM DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD, SOUTH OF IDA STREET, EAST
10:13:16AM OF SHORT 30th STREET, AND WEST OF 30th STREET, WITHIN
10:13:21AM THE PLAT OF NORTH CAMPOBELLO SUBDIVISION, IN THE CITY OF
10:13:25AM TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY
10:13:28AM DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 THEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN
10:13:31AM COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY
10:13:33AM SET FORTH HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES
10:13:35AM FOR VIOLATIONS, PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS
10:13:38AM AND REPEALING CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY,
10:13:41AM PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:13:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:13:44AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
10:13:45AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:13:46AM AYE.
10:13:47AM SORRY.
10:13:48AM RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:13:49AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH HURTAK BEING
10:13:52AM ABSENT AT VOTE.
10:13:53AM AND CLENDENIN BEING ABSENT.
10:13:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO OUR
10:13:56AM QUASI-JUDICIAL PUBLIC HEARINGS.
10:13:59AM IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK -- THE HEARINGS ARE OPEN, BUT WE
10:14:04AM NEED TO SWEAR ANYBODY THAT'S GOING TO BE SPEAKING, 70
10:14:08AM THROUGH 75, THEY ARE QUASI-JUDICIAL.
10:14:10AM IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE SPEAKING, PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR
10:14:12AM RIGHT HAND AND WE'LL SWEAR YOU IN.
10:14:16AM [OATH ADMINISTERED BY THE CLERK]
10:14:25AM ITEM NUMBER 70.
10:14:29AM >>LaCHONE DOCK: GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL.
10:14:31AM LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
10:14:33AM ITEM 70 IS BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING.
10:14:35AM FILE SU 2-24-01.
10:14:38AM THIS IS A SPECIAL USE 2 REQUEST FOR AIR-CONDITIONED STORAGE
10:14:42AM IN THE CBD.
10:14:43AM THIS IS FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 610 EAST ZACK STREET.
10:14:47AM THE SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS WERE REQUIRED TO BE MADE BETWEEN
10:14:50AM FIRST AND SECOND READING.
10:14:51AM THOSE CHANGES WERE MADE.
10:14:53AM THE SITE PLAN HAS BEEN CERTIFIED AND PROVIDED TO THE CLERK.
10:14:56AM I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:14:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS?
10:14:59AM NO.
10:15:00AM DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT?
10:15:01AM YES, MA'AM.
10:15:02AM COME UP.
10:15:03AM >> ADDIE CLARK, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
10:15:06AM LaCHONE DID A GREAT JOB SUMMARIZING THAT.
10:15:09AM AS SHE MENTIONED, WE DID MAKE A REVISION OR ADDED A NOTE TO
10:15:11AM THE SITE PLAN.
10:15:12AM FOLLOWING FIRST READING, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION.
10:15:14AM JUST WANTED TO PUT ON THE RECORD THAT WE WORKED WITH STAFF
10:15:16AM AND A NOTE HAS BEEN ADDED SAYING THAT IF DEMOLISHED WE WOULD
10:15:19AM HAVE TO COME BEFORE YOU AGAIN TO REQUEST A SELF-STORAGE
10:15:26AM SOUTH --
10:15:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
10:15:29AM ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM 70?
10:15:31AM WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:15:34AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
10:15:35AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:15:36AM AYE.
10:15:37AM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, 70.
10:15:38AM >>LUIS VIERA: MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
10:15:41AM READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE
10:15:43AM PERMIT SU-2, APPROVING AIR-CONDITIONED STORAGE IN CBD-1
10:15:48AM CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, ZONING DISTRICT OR IN THE GENERAL
10:15:52AM VICINITY OF 610 EAST ZACK STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
10:15:54AM FLORIDA, AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1
10:15:57AM HEREOF, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:15:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
10:16:00AM VIERA.
10:16:00AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:16:01AM PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:16:14AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK VOTING NO AND
10:16:17AM CLENDENIN BEING ABSENT.
10:16:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:16:19AM ITEM NUMBER 71.
10:16:22AM >>LaCHONE DOCK: THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL.
10:16:23AM LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
10:16:25AM ITEM 71 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM RS-50 TO
10:16:30AM RM-18.
10:16:31AM THIS IS FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 5607 NORTH 30th
10:16:35AM STREET.
10:16:35AM THIS IS BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING FOR SECOND READING AND
10:16:39AM ADOPTION.
10:16:39AM THERE'S NO SITE PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THIS REQUEST.
10:16:42AM I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:16:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS?
10:16:45AM DO WE HAVE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON
10:16:49AM ITEM NUMBER 70?
10:16:50AM I'M SORRY.
10:16:52AM IS THERE AN APPLICANT FOR 71?
10:16:54AM ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC FOR 71?
10:16:56AM MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE?
10:16:58AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:17:00AM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA TO CLOSE.
10:17:01AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:17:02AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:17:03AM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, 71.
10:17:05AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: FILE REZ-23-98, AN ORDINANCE BEING
10:17:09AM PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
10:17:11AM AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
10:17:13AM 5607 NORTH 30th STREET, IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND
10:17:18AM MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1, FROM ZONING
10:17:20AM DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS-50, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY,
10:17:23AM TO RM-18, RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
10:17:27AM DATE.
10:17:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
10:17:30AM PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:17:35AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN BEING
10:17:37AM ABSENT.
10:17:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM NUMBER 72.
10:17:40AM >>LaCHONE DOCK: THANK YOU AGAIN, COUNCIL.
10:17:42AM LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
10:17:44AM ITEM 72 IS REZ-24-12.
10:17:47AM IT IS FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 6718 NORTH ROME AVENUE.
10:17:51AM THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM RS 50 RESIDENTIAL
10:17:54AM SINGLE-FAMILY TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL,
10:17:58AM SINGLE-FAMILY, ATTACHED USES ON-SITE.
10:18:00AM THIS IS BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING.
10:18:02AM SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS WERE REQUIRED TO BE MADE BETWEEN
10:18:05AM FIRST AND SECOND READING.
10:18:06AM THOSE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE.
10:18:08AM THE PLAN HAS BEEN CERTIFIED AND PROVIDED TO THE CLERK.
10:18:11AM I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:18:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS?
10:18:13AM I SEE NONE.
10:18:16AM DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT FOR ITEM NUMBER 72?
10:18:18AM THE APPLICANT FIRST AND THEN THE PUBLIC.
10:18:24AM IF YOU HAVE WALKED IN SINCE WE'VE SWORN FOLKS IN AND YOU'RE
10:18:27AM GOING TO SPEAK, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
10:18:30AM THIS IS FOR 72, 73, 74, AND 75.
10:18:34AM [OATH ADMINISTERED BY THE CLERK]
10:18:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, SIR.
10:18:40AM >> KEVIN JOHNSON.
10:18:41AM HERE ON BEHALF OF SHAKERS DEVELOPMENT.
10:18:46AM OUR CLIENT MARTIN.
10:18:47AM MET WITH YOU ON THE FIRST HEARING.
10:18:50AM THE REQUEST WAS -- EXCUSE ME.
10:18:52AM I JUST GOT OFF THE PLANE.
10:18:54AM MET WITH THE RIVER BEND COMMUNITY.
10:18:59AM WENT OUT TO VOLUNTEER A LITTLE BIT.
10:19:02AM SPENT AN HOUR WITH HANK CRAMER.
10:19:04AM HE'S LIKE ONE OF THE LEADERS OF THE COMMUNITY.
10:19:06AM DROVE AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:19:07AM SHOWED ME EVERYTHING GOING ON, THE INS AND OUTS, THE
10:19:12AM PROBLEMS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SOME OF THE SAFETY AND
10:19:15AM INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES.
10:19:17AM SO I REALLY GOT A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S GOING ON AS
10:19:20AM WELL AS MEETING SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
10:19:23AM SO GOT THAT DONE.
10:19:26AM THE FOLLOWING MEETING WENT EXTREMELY WELL.
10:19:30AM OF COURSE, THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR PROJECT AND HOW WE
10:19:33AM INTEND TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT BECOMING PART OF THE
10:19:39AM PROBLEM AND KIND OF LIKE JUST HELPING THE PROBLEM.
10:19:42AM SO WE DID ALL OF THAT AND THEN MOREOVER OUR PROJECT -- SO
10:19:51AM THERE ARE A FEW THINGS WE HOPE TO DO ONCE PERMITTING AND
10:19:54AM CONSTRUCTION IF ALL THINGS GO WELL TODAY.
10:19:56AM SOME OF THOSE THINGS INCLUDE LIKE JUST LANDSCAPE
10:19:58AM IMPROVEMENTS, PUTTING BIRCHES IN AND MAGNOLIAS, TREES VERY
10:20:07AM GOOD AT TAKING UP EXCESS STORMWATER.
10:20:09AM YEAH, AND THEN WE ALREADY HAVE A STORMWATER VAULT THAT
10:20:15AM SHOULD BE MORE THAN ENOUGH TO HOLD THE CAPACITY FOR OUR
10:20:19AM SITE.
10:20:19AM THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE DID.
10:20:24AM WE MET WITH THE COMMUNITY.
10:20:29AM I'M EXTREMELY GRATEFUL TO ACTUALLY SPEND TIME WITH HANK.
10:20:33AM BOTH OF US BEING NATIVES, THAT WAS COOL.
10:20:37AM APOLOGIZE TO THE RIVER BEND COMMUNITY FOR NOT DOING THAT
10:20:42AM INITIALLY.
10:20:42AM I'M GLAD THAT WE DID IT THE SECOND TIME AROUND.
10:20:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:20:46AM ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
10:20:47AM ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
10:20:48AM IF NOT, WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:20:50AM IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM
10:20:53AM 72?
10:20:53AM MR. CRAMER, COME ON UP.
10:20:55AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:20:57AM >> MY NAME IS HANK CRAMER.
10:20:59AM I REPRESENT RIVER BEND NEIGHBORHOOD CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
10:21:01AM I LIVE AT 5933 NORTH ROME AVENUE IN TAMPA.
10:21:05AM JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
10:21:08AM WE WANT TO GO ON RECORD TODAY AS OBJECTING TO THE HEARING
10:21:14AM AND ANY SUBSEQUENT VOTE THAT'S MADE TODAY DUE TO THE ORDER
10:21:20AM GIVEN BY THE 13th JUDICIAL CIRCUIT COURT REGARDING
10:21:24AM JURISDICTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THIS -- REGARDING
10:21:31AM SUCH RESOLUTIONS.
10:21:33AM SO WE REQUEST A RESCHEDULE IN THAT REGARD.
10:21:36AM I NOTICED A COUPLE OF THE OTHER REZONES WEREN'T NOTICED
10:21:40AM TODAY OR WEREN'T PRESENTED.
10:21:41AM BUT, YEAH, WE DID MEET WITH THE GUYS.
10:21:43AM WE HAD A VERY NICE TIME.
10:21:45AM IT SEEMED LIKE A GOOD QUALITY GUYS, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF
10:21:48AM STUFF THAT DIDN'T GET COMPLETED IN OUR TRANSACTIONS.
10:21:51AM THERE WERE A COUPLE OF MEETINGS THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE
10:21:53AM SUBSEQUENT THAT WEREN'T COMPLETED OR FULFILLED AND WE
10:21:56AM HAVEN'T REALLY MET SINCE THEN.
10:21:58AM THERE WAS AN INDICATION THAT THEY WOULD BE ADJUSTING THE
10:22:01AM LANDSCAPE THERE, NOT JUST IN TERMS OF PROVIDING TREES, BUT
10:22:04AM PUTTING SWALES IN.
10:22:06AM WE TOOK THEM BACK TO THE AREA OF THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB
10:22:11AM THAT THE CITY BUILT IN THE BACK AND HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE
10:22:16AM STORMWATER AND HAD TO CONDEMN FIVE PROPERTIES BECAUSE OF THE
10:22:19AM FLOW THAT CAME TO THAT PROPERTY, SHOWED THEM THOSE EMPTY
10:22:22AM SPOTS AND THE VAULT THAT HAD TO BE PUT IN IN THAT AREA
10:22:27AM SUBSEQUENT TO THE BUILDING OF THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.
10:22:31AM THIS CREATED A PROBLEM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT IS RIGHT
10:22:34AM BEHIND THE AREA THAT THEY WANT TO BUILD.
10:22:36AM SO THERE'S MORE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
10:22:39AM ALSO, YOU HEARD AT THE FIRST READING THE MESS AT THAT
10:22:43AM INTERSECTION, WHICH IT IS JUST SOUTH OF A TERRIBLE
10:22:45AM INTERSECTION WHERE THERE'S ROME AND SLIGH WHERE WE HAVE A
10:22:49AM BALL FIELD.
10:22:49AM WE HAVE AN ACADEMY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
10:22:51AM WE HAVE A LOT OF INTERACTION TAKING PLACE THERE WITH
10:22:54AM CHILDREN.
10:22:54AM AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT CROSS WALK DONE, SOMETHING
10:22:57AM DONE.
10:22:57AM WHAT WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO DO IS BE ABLE TO MEET WITH
10:23:00AM FOLKS FROM THE CITY TO SEE WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THIS
10:23:03AM AREA.
10:23:05AM GENTLEMEN HAVE BEEN VERY FORTHCOMING IN LOOKING TO SEE THAT,
10:23:08AM OH, NOW WE GET IT.
10:23:09AM NOW WE SEE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:23:11AM THEY HADN'T SEEN ANY OF THIS BEFORE.
10:23:13AM AND COMING FROM EAST TAMPA, THEY ARE FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF
10:23:15AM THE PROBLEMS WE'VE HAD IN TERMS OF STORMWATER AND THINGS NOT
10:23:19AM BEING HELD UP.
10:23:20AM ANOTHER PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE AND WHY I WANT TO BRING THIS
10:23:23AM OUT IS THE LUMPING IN OF RIVERBEND WITH THE UNIVERSITY
10:23:29AM DISTRICT IS NOT REALLY APPROPRIATE.
10:23:32AM AND SO THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S TAKING PLACE THERE NOW WITH
10:23:38AM LOT SPLITS, YOU'LL PROBABLY SEE US REACTING TO A LOT MORE OF
10:23:42AM THESE NOW BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT BEING BUILT WITH ATTENTION TO
10:23:45AM THE STORMWATER RUNOFF IN THE AREA.
10:23:47AM THAT'S CAUSING PROBLEMS THAT CAN BE MULTIPLIED HERE.
10:23:52AM WE HAVE AN AREA WHERE WE HAVE FIVE HOMES.
10:23:54AM ALL OF A SUDDEN WE NOW HAVE EIGHT HOMES.
10:23:55AM AND SUBSEQUENT OR OTHER LOTS IN THE AREA ARE GETTING FLOODED
10:24:01AM OUT.
10:24:01AM SO WE NEED TO HAVE SOME MEETINGS OF THE MINDS.
10:24:04AM WE LOOK FORWARD TO SOME TYPE OF MEETING WITH NOT ONLY THE
10:24:07AM DEVELOPERS BUT WITH YOURSELVES.
10:24:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:24:10AM >> THANK YOU.
10:24:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON
10:24:12AM ITEM NUMBER 72?
10:24:13AM ALL RIGHT.
10:24:16AM IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE, THERE'S TIME FOR REBUTTAL AT
10:24:20AM THIS POINT.
10:24:21AM >> MOTION TO CLOSE.
10:24:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL
10:24:24AM MEMBER HENDERSON.
10:24:25AM DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
10:24:27AM MR. MASSEY.
10:24:28AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: I WANT TO CLARIFY ON THE RECORD SINCE THIS
10:24:31AM WAS RAISED THAT YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN ADVISED BY MS. ZELMAN
10:24:36AM CITY ATTORNEY THAT YOU MAY PROCEED WITH THE QUASI-JUDICIAL
10:24:38AM HEARINGS AND REZONING DECISIONS DESPITE THE 13th CIRCUIT
10:24:41AM COURT DECISION.
10:24:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:24:43AM MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
10:24:44AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:24:46AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:24:46AM AYE.
10:24:47AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:24:47AM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
10:24:49AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEM 72, FILE
10:24:53AM REZ-24-12, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
10:24:57AM ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL
10:24:59AM VICINITY OF 6718 NORTH ROME AVENUE, IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
10:25:02AM FLORIDA, AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1, FROM
10:25:05AM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION, RS-50, RESIDENTIAL,
10:25:08AM SINGLE-FAMILY, TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL,
10:25:11AM SINGLE-FAMILY, ATTACHED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:25:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
10:25:14AM CARLSON.
10:25:15AM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:25:16AM PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:25:21AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK VOTING NO AND
10:25:23AM CLENDENIN BEING ABSENT.
10:25:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:25:25AM 73, 4, 5, COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, DID YOU REVIEW THE
10:25:32AM RECORD?
10:25:32AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES, I AM PREPARED TO VOTE FOR THOSE.
10:25:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
10:25:35AM ITEM 73.
10:25:37AM >>LaCHONE DOCK: ITEM 73 IS REZ-24-32.
10:25:42AM THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM RM-16 TO CI.
10:25:46AM THIS IS A EUCLIDEAN REQUEST, SO THERE IS NO SITE PLAN
10:25:49AM ASSOCIATED WITH THIS REQUEST.
10:25:50AM THIS IS FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2306 NORTH 43rd
10:25:55AM STREET.
10:25:55AM I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:25:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS?
10:25:57AM DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER 73?
10:26:00AM NO, NO APPLICANT.
10:26:10AM ANYBODY HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 73?
10:26:13AM NO.
10:26:18AM CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
10:26:21AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: BEFORE YOU VOTE, IF COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON
10:26:23AM CAN CONFIRM ON THE RECORD SHE'S REVIEWED --
10:26:26AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I DID.
10:26:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I ASKED FOR ALL THREE CASES.
10:26:29AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I DID.
10:26:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TEACHERS ARE ALWAYS PREPARED.
10:26:32AM ALWAYS PREPARED.
10:26:33AM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
10:26:34AM MOTION TO CLOSE?
10:26:38AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER -- MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL
10:26:43AM MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:26:44AM SECOND FROM VIERA.
10:26:45AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:26:46AM AYE.
10:26:47AM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
10:26:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK: ITEM 73, FILE REZ-24-32, ORDINANCE BEING
10:26:54AM PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE
10:26:56AM REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 2306 NORTH
10:27:00AM 43rd STREET, IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND MORE
10:27:06AM PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1, FROM ZONING DISTRICT
10:27:08AM CLASSIFICATIONS RM-16, RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, TO CI,
10:27:14AM COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:27:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN
10:27:19AM HURTAK.
10:27:19AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:27:23AM PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:27:25AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN BEING
10:27:27AM ABSENT.
10:27:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
10:27:28AM ITEM NUMBER 74.
10:27:31AM >>LaCHONE DOCK: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
10:27:32AM LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
10:27:34AM ITEM 74 IS FILE NUMBER REZ-24-44.
10:27:38AM THIS IS ITEM IS BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING FOR SECOND READING.
10:27:41AM THIS IS FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 5402 LAUREL STREET AND
10:27:45AM FOLIO NUMBERS 112485-0177 AND 112445-0010.
10:27:55AM THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM PD TO PD PLANNED
10:27:59AM DEVELOPMENT.
10:28:00AM AND THIS IS TO ALLOW FOR THE USES OF BUSINESS/PROFESSIONAL
10:28:03AM OFFICE, WAREHOUSE, AND HOTEL.
10:28:05AM SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS WERE REQUIRED TO BE MADE BETWEEN
10:28:08AM FIRST AND SECOND READING.
10:28:09AM THOSE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE.
10:28:10AM THE PLAN HAS BEEN CERTIFIED AND PROVIDED TO THE CLERK.
10:28:13AM I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:28:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS FROM MS. DOCK?
10:28:16AM DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT FOR ITEM 74?
10:28:19AM ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON 74?
10:28:22AM WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:28:26AM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:28:27AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:28:28AM AYE.
10:28:28AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:28:29AM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, 74.
10:28:32AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: FILE REZ-24-44, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED
10:28:36AM FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING
10:28:39AM PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 5402 LAUREL STREET AND
10:28:42AM FOLIO NUMBERS 112485-0177 AND 112445-0010, IN THE CITY OF
10:28:50AM TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1
10:28:54AM FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT
10:28:57AM TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, BUSINESS/PROFESSIONAL OFFICE,
10:29:00AM WAREHOUSE, HOTEL, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:29:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:29:03AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
10:29:05AM PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:29:08AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN BEING
10:29:10AM ABSENT.
10:29:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:29:13AM ITEM NUMBER 75.
10:29:16AM ITEM NUMBER 75, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE REGISTERED.
10:29:18AM APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE HERE IN
10:29:20AM PERSON.
10:29:21AM DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ON CAMERA?
10:29:23AM WE DO?
10:29:24AM WERE THEY SWORN IN?
10:29:28AM LET'S SWEAR IN THE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SAME.
10:29:31AM CAMILLE GOOD AND MICHAEL YATES, AILEEN POPE, ERIC HOYER AND
10:29:34AM ERIC RIDER.
10:29:35AM THEY MIGHT BE HERE AND SOME MIGHT BE ONLINE.
10:29:37AM IF YOU ARE ONLINE AND WANT TO SPEAK, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND
10:29:41AM AND WE'LL SWEAR YOU IN.
10:29:42AM THEY MAY NOT NEED TO SPEAK.
10:29:50AM I DON'T KNOW.
10:29:52AM >> THEY ARE ALL ON THE APPLICANT TEAM.
10:29:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
10:29:56AM WE DON'T EXPECT THEM TO SPEAK.
10:29:58AM OKAY.
10:29:58AM ITEM 75, MS. DOCK, GO AHEAD.
10:30:00AM >>LaCHONE DOCK: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
10:30:01AM LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
10:30:03AM ITEM 75 IS FILE REZ-24-50.
10:30:07AM THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REZONING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM
10:30:13AM RM 16, RM 24, CG, CI TO PD-A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT
10:30:19AM ALTERNATIVE.
10:30:20AM THIS IS FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL AND
10:30:22AM COMMERCIAL USES ON-SITE.
10:30:24AM THIS IS FOR THE PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 3601 AND 3814 NORTH
10:30:29AM CENTRAL AVENUE AND 501 EAST LAKE AVENUE.
10:30:33AM SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS WERE REQUIRED TO BE MADE BETWEEN
10:30:35AM FIRST AND SECOND READING.
10:30:36AM THOSE CHANGES WERE MADE.
10:30:38AM THE PLAN HAS BEEN CERTIFIED AND PROVIDED TO THE CLERK.
10:30:41AM I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:30:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
10:30:44AM ANY QUESTIONS?
10:30:44AM NO.
10:30:45AM ALL RIGHT.
10:30:46AM APPLICANT?
10:30:47AM WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE.
10:30:48AM WE ALSO HAVE A RESOLUTION WITH THIS.
10:30:50AM GO AHEAD, SIR.
10:30:51AM >> JAKE CREMER WITH STEARNS, WEAVER, MILLER.
10:30:54AM EAST JACKSON STREET.
10:30:55AM THIS IS THE ROBLES PARK REZONING.
10:30:57AM WE APPRECIATED YOUR SUPPORT BEFORE.
10:31:00AM APPRECIATE IT AGAIN TODAY.
10:31:01AM OUR ENTIRE TEAM IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:31:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:31:05AM ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN?
10:31:05AM DO WE HAVE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON
10:31:09AM ITEM NUMBER 75?
10:31:10AM COME ON UP.
10:31:13AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:31:14AM YES, MA'AM.
10:31:18AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:31:19AM CONNIE BURTON.
10:31:21AM 20-PLUS YEARS LIVING IN ROBLES PARK, AND I COULD TELL YOU
10:31:25AM DURING THAT TIME, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT THE PEOPLE REQUIRED
10:31:30AM BUT WAS DENIED SO THEY CAN IMPROVE THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE.
10:31:36AM WHAT WE SAW WAS SOCIAL ENGINEERING THAT PROVIDED A BASE SO
10:31:40AM THAT PEOPLE COULD HAVE TRUE NUMBERS OF SHOWING HOW POVERTY
10:31:45AM STAY INTACT.
10:31:48AM YOUNG BLACK MEN FOSTERED INTO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM
10:31:52AM COMING OUT OF ROBLES PARK.
10:31:53AM ASK THE LEADERSHIP FROM ROBLES PARK THAT HAS BEEN THE SAME
10:31:57AM LEADERSHIP FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS HOW MANY PEOPLE WAS ABLE TO
10:32:00AM MOVE FORWARD HOME OWNERSHIP.
10:32:03AM HOW MANY PEOPLE WAS ABLE TO CREATE REAL BUSINESSES OUT OF
10:32:06AM ROBLES PARK.
10:32:07AM BUT NOW THAT WE SEE THIS TREND FOR DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I HAVE
10:32:12AM NO DOUBT WILL PASS, LIKE ALL OF THE BIG SIX PUBLIC HOUSING
10:32:18AM THAT WAS IDENTIFIED AS BLIGHTED, WHERE YOU HAD A HIGH
10:32:22AM CONCENTRATION OF BLACK PEOPLE THAT ONLY HAD HOPE IN THIS
10:32:26AM CITY, WATCHED THEIR LIVES BEING DESTROYED.
10:32:29AM SO NOW WE HAVE RICH WHITE DEVELOPERS COME THROUGH WITH THE
10:32:35AM TRAIL LEADERS SOMETIMES BEING BLACK FOLKS SAYING HOW NOW
10:32:40AM THEY ARE GOING TO PROVIDE THIS WONDERFUL ENTITY FOR THAT
10:32:42AM COMMUNITY.
10:32:42AM HOW MANY PEOPLE FROM THAT COMMUNITY GOING TO COME BACK?
10:32:46AM 10%?
10:32:47AM 2%?
10:32:48AM WHAT HAPPENED TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WAS PROMISED THOSE
10:32:52AM PEOPLE?
10:32:52AM THE BEST CHANCE WE HAD LIVING IN ROBLES PARK WAS UNDER THE
10:32:57AM REAGAN ADMINISTRATION WHEN WE WAS ALLOWED UNDER JACK KEMP TO
10:33:01AM ALLOW LEADERSHIP TO COME FROM THE BOTTOM UP.
10:33:04AM THAT WAS DESTROYED.
10:33:06AM AND WE WATCHED ALL OF THE BIG SIX NOW EVEN THAT -- BOULEVARD
10:33:12AM LOOKING OVER THE RIVER.
10:33:13AM NO BLACKS ALLOWED.
10:33:15AM PARKS AND RECREATION, BOYS AND GIRLS CLUBS, DESTROYED.
10:33:19AM SO YOU HAVE TIED YOURSELF TO THIS.
10:33:22AM YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN THE SAME PEOPLE OF THE BULL CONNOR
10:33:27AM ERA WHERE BLACK FOLK HAD NOTHING AND WE STILL HAVE NOTHING.
10:33:31AM I GOT AN 84-YEAR-OLD MOTHER RIGHT NOW LIVING IN ROBLES PARK.
10:33:36AM TRYING TO GET A SIMPLE PLACEMENT AND BEING TOLD TO GO BACK
10:33:40AM TO THE DOCTORS, BACKWARDS AND FORTH TO GET THE LETTER
10:33:44AM APPROVED THAT SHE NEED A LIVE-IN AIDE.
10:33:47AM BUT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY SPENT OVER $500,000 EVICTING ME
10:33:51AM THE FIRST TIME.
10:33:52AM I GUARANTEE YOU MY MOTHER GOING TO GET HER PLACEMENT OR THE
10:33:57AM DEVELOPERS HAVE GOT A REAL GOOD FIGHT ON THEIR HANDS.
10:34:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:34:00AM NEXT SPEAKER.
10:34:01AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:34:10AM IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE?
10:34:11AM ANY REBUTTAL, MR. CREMER FOR 75?
10:34:17AM >> JAKE CREMER.
10:34:18AM I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP THE HOUSING AUTHORITY BRIEFLY.
10:34:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COME ON UP.
10:34:24AM EXCUSE ME.
10:34:28AM PLEASE.
10:34:28AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:34:29AM YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:34:31AM >> DAVID ILOANYA, DIRECTOR OF REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT WITH
10:34:35AM THE TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY.
10:34:36AM GOOD MORNING AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRIVILEGE TO BE HERE.
10:34:39AM JUST WANT TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT.
10:34:42AM YOU KNOW WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF
10:34:47AM REDEVELOPMENT.
10:34:48AM WE DID CENTRAL PARK WHICH IS NOW THE ENCORE.
10:34:51AM WE ARE NOW DOING NORTH BOULEVARD, WHICH IS PART OF THE WEST
10:34:54AM RIVER REDEVELOPMENT.
10:34:59AM THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, WHEN WE DO THIS, WE ENGAGE OUR
10:35:04AM RESIDENTS.
10:35:04AM WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF RELOCATION, AND WE CASE MANAGED
10:35:09AM THEM AFTER RELOCATION AND KEEP THEM FOCUSED, KEEP THEM
10:35:12AM INTACT AND INFORMED THEM OF THE PROGRESS OF WHAT WE ARE
10:35:16AM DOING.
10:35:16AM THEY MAKE THE CHOICE OF WHETHER TO COME BACK.
10:35:21AM THEY ARE GIVEN THE FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL.
10:35:24AM DURING THE RELOCATION PROCESS, WE TRAINED THEM.
10:35:27AM WE PROVIDE INFORMATION AS IT RELATES TO RELOCATION 101
10:35:33AM SECTION 8. THEY CHOOSE, THEY MAKE THEIR CHOICES IN TERMS OF
10:35:38AM WHERE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO GO.
10:35:40AM WE ALSO GET TRANSPORTATION, TAKE THEM AROUND THE CITY SO
10:35:43AM THAT THEY CAN SEE FOR THEMSELVES.
10:35:46AM AND WE PROVIDE ALL THE RESOURCES.
10:35:50AM AND WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY COME BACK.
10:35:53AM GIVEN THE RECORD THAT WE HAVE, USUALLY ABOUT 70% OF THEM
10:35:58AM CHOOSE TO STAY WITHIN THE HOUSING AUTHORITY WITHIN THE
10:36:00AM PORTFOLIO THAT WE HAVE.
10:36:01AM WE HAVE 10 TO 15 PERCENT THAT CHOOSE TO RETURN, AND WE KEEP
10:36:07AM TRACK OF ALL THIS INFORMATION.
10:36:09AM AND WE CASE MANAGE THEM.
10:36:11AM SO WHAT YOU'RE HEARING IN TERMS OF BEING GENTRIFIED, PUSHED
10:36:16AM OUT, THAT IS NOT TRUE.
10:36:17AM AND WE HAVE THE INFORMATION TO PROVE IT.
10:36:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:36:22AM IF WE HAVE ANY MORE INTERRUPTIONS, I'M GOING TO RULE YOU OUT
10:36:24AM OF ORDER.
10:36:25AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:36:25AM ANYBODY ELSE?
10:36:26AM >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:36:27AM THAT'S ALL WE HAVE.
10:36:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK?
10:36:30AM MOTION TO CLOSE?
10:36:31AM MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:36:34AM SECOND FROM VIERA.
10:36:34AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:36:35AM AYE.
10:36:35AM WHERE DID I LEAVE OFF?
10:36:36AM MR. VIERA, 75.
10:36:39AM THEN THE RESOLUTION.
10:36:42AM >>LUIS VIERA: MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
10:36:44AM READING AND ADOPTION.
10:36:45AM AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
10:36:47AM 3601 AND 3814 NORTH CENTRAL AVENUE AND 501 EAST LAKE AVENUE,
10:36:52AM IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED
10:36:55AM IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RM 16,
10:36:59AM RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, RM 24, RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY, CI
10:37:02AM COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE, AND CG COMMERCIAL GENERAL TO PD-A,
10:37:06AM PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ALTERNATIVE, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY
10:37:09AM ATTACHED AND MULTIFAMILY, STOREFRONT RESIDENTIAL OFFICE,
10:37:12AM PERSONAL SERVICES, RETAIL BAKERY, PHARMACY, BANK, MEDICAL
10:37:17AM AND BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, MEDICAL CLINIC, CEMETERY,
10:37:20AM DAY CARE AND NURSERY, VOCATIONAL AND BUSINESS SCHOOL,
10:37:23AM PRIVATE RECREATIONAL FACILITY INDOOR, CLUBS, PLACE OF
10:37:26AM ASSEMBLY, COMMUNITY GARDEN PRIVATE, PLACE OF RELIGIOUS
10:37:29AM ASSEMBLY, RESTAURANT, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:37:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
10:37:33AM VIERA.
10:37:33AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:37:35AM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
10:37:36AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, CHAIR.
10:37:37AM THIS IS IN MY DISTRICT AND I JUST WANT TO REALLY -- I
10:37:41AM UNDERSTAND THE HISTORICAL ASPECT OF ANYTIME WE COME IN AND
10:37:44AM MAKE CHANGES TO HISTORICALLY BLACK SPACES.
10:37:47AM ROBLES PARK IS A COMMUNITY THAT HAS HAD SOME CHALLENGES.
10:37:53AM I DO FEEL IT IS IMPORTANT FOR ME TO SAY THAT THE LEGWORK OF
10:37:59AM THE HIGH LEVEL OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT DID TAKE PLACE.
10:38:03AM THOSE MEETINGS WITH ME.
10:38:05AM I AM SATISFIED WITH THAT LEVEL OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND
10:38:08AM THEIR PARTICIPATION IN ALL OF THE THINGS AND THE SERVICES
10:38:10AM THAT ARE GOING TO BE THERE.
10:38:12AM SO MOVING FORWARD, WE CAN'T GO BACK, BUT WE ARE MOVING
10:38:18AM FORWARD WITH GOOD INTENTION, AND I FEEL THE THINGS THAT ARE
10:38:21AM IN PLACE THAT ARE GOING TO IMPROVE THE ROBLES PARK COMMUNITY
10:38:25AM IS GOING TO BE A BENEFIT TO EVEN THE CURRENT RESIDENTS WHO
10:38:30AM HAVE THE RIGHT TO RETURN ONCE THIS PROJECT IS COMPLETE.
10:38:34AM THANK YOU, CHAIR.
10:38:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
10:38:35AM PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:38:41AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO AND
10:38:44AM CLENDENIN BEING ABSENT.
10:38:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION
10:38:48AM BY COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:38:49AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
10:38:50AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:38:51AM AYE.
10:38:53AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO AND
10:38:55AM CLENDENIN BEING ABSENT.
10:38:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:38:58AM ITEM NUMBER 76.
10:39:02AM TAKE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS AS WELL?
10:39:04AM YES, MA'AM.
10:39:05AM GO AHEAD.
10:39:06AM >> BECCA JOHNS, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
10:39:07AM THIS IS THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT
10:39:09AM AGREEMENT FOR --
10:39:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'M SORRY.
10:39:13AM MOVE TO OPEN THE 10:30 PUBLIC HEARINGS.
10:39:15AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
10:39:17AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:39:18AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:39:19AM AYE.
10:39:19AM YES, MA'AM.
10:39:20AM SORRY.
10:39:21AM >> THIS IS THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE ROBLES PARK
10:39:24AM DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO ACCOMPANY THE REZONING THAT WAS
10:39:27AM JUST APPROVED.
10:39:28AM THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS JUST APPROVED WILL BE ATTACHED TO
10:39:31AM THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
10:39:32AM THE DEVELOPER IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:39:34AM I AM HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:39:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS?
10:39:37AM NO.
10:39:37AM ANY QUESTIONS?
10:39:40AM >> GOOD MORNING, JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
10:39:41AM JAKE CREMER WITH STEARNS WEAVER MILLER, 401 EAST JACKSON
10:39:44AM STREET.
10:39:45AM THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CAME ABOUT FROM DISCUSSIONS WITH
10:39:47AM SUSAN JOHNSON BEFORE SHE RETIRED LOOKING AT LESSONS WE ALL
10:39:51AM LEARNED FROM PROJECTS LIKE WEST RIVER, BIG PROJECTS WE FELT
10:39:53AM LIKE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ON THE FRONT END IS GOING TO
10:39:59AM HELP EVERYBODY HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING AS THE PROJECT
10:40:01AM BUILDS OUT OVER THE LONG TERM.
10:40:05AM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, IF COUNCIL WANTS AN UPDATE BECAUSE
10:40:08AM THIS WILL TAKE A WHILE, WE'RE ALWAYS HAPPY TO COME AND GIVE
10:40:10AM AN UPDATE ON THE PROJECT.
10:40:12AM THANK YOU.
10:40:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:40:13AM ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON 76?
10:40:16AM COME UP.
10:40:18AM >> VALERIE BULLOCK.
10:40:20AM THE REASON WHY I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ALL OF THESE MOVING
10:40:24AM FORWARD, PADs, PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS IS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN
10:40:30AM BEGGING FOR THIS FOR YEARS.
10:40:31AM WE NEVER WAS ABLE TO GET IT.
10:40:34AM AS SOON AS GENTRIFICATION COMES ALONG AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD
10:40:36AM IS GETTING WHITE WASHED NOW EVERYBODY THROW OUT THE RED
10:40:39AM CARPET.
10:40:39AM WE WANT THIS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:40:40AM WE WANT THAT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:40:42AM I HEARD THE COUNCILWOMAN SAY THAT, YES, EVERYBODY COULD GO
10:40:47AM BACK.
10:40:48AM I AM A LIVING WITNESS.
10:40:49AM I HAVE RELATIVES.
10:40:50AM THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED BACK.
10:40:52AM SO EVERYBODY IS NOT ALLOWED TO GO BACK TO THESE -- TO THE
10:40:59AM APARTMENTS.
10:40:59AM ONCE THEY TEAR DOWN WITH THE RATS AND BUILD NICE APARTMENTS,
10:41:03AM EVERYBODY IS NOT ALLOWED TO GO BACK.
10:41:04AM OVER AT WEST RIVER, IT'S A 25-PAGE APPLICATION.
10:41:09AM THEY WANT A 30-YEAR CRIMINAL HISTORY.
10:41:13AM AND YOU GOT TO HAVE A-1 CREDIT.
10:41:16AM SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE BARRIERS YOU MIGHT WANT TO GO BACK,
10:41:19AM BUT YOU CAN'T GO BACK.
10:41:21AM IT IS A 25-PAGE APPLICATION.
10:41:23AM I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS HOME.
10:41:26AM SHE SAY, NO, YOU CAN'T LEAVE THE OFFICE WITH IT.
10:41:29AM SO IT MIGHT LOOK GOOD ON PAPER AND SAY, YEAH, YOU ALL CAN
10:41:33AM COME BACK.
10:41:33AM WE ARE GOING TO BRING YOU ALL BACK, THAT IS NOT TRUE.
10:41:36AM IT'S TOO MANY BARRIERS PUT IN PLACE SO THAT THE PEOPLE CAN'T
10:41:41AM COME BACK.
10:41:41AM TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY NO LONGER IS IN THE PROCESS, IT NO
10:41:47AM LONGER MANAGE APARTMENTS.
10:41:48AM THEY HAVE PROPERTY MANAGED GROUP.
10:41:50AM MOST OF THE PEOPLE ARE SPANISH.
10:41:53AM MOST OF THEM.
10:41:54AM I THINK THEY ARE ALL HOOKED UP TOGETHER.
10:41:56AM I'M NOT SURE, BUT WHATEVER THE PROCESS IS, PEOPLE THAT LOOK
10:42:00AM LIKE ME DO NOT GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK.
10:42:04AM YOU CAN LOOK AT OLD CENTRAL PARK PROJECTS.
10:42:07AM HOW MANY BLACK PEOPLE STAY THERE?
10:42:09AM GIVE ME A PERCENTAGE HOUSING AUTHORITY MAN?
10:42:13AM YOU CAN'T EVEN GIVE ME A PERCENTAGE.
10:42:16AM IT'S LESS THAN TEN.
10:42:17AM THE PROCESS IS NOT FAIR.
10:42:18AM THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
10:42:19AM IT'S NOT FAIR.
10:42:20AM WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
10:42:24AM AND ANOTHER THING, ALL OF THE DEVELOPERS, THEY COME FROM OUT
10:42:28AM OF TOWN.
10:42:28AM GOT THEIR SUITS ON AND EVERYTHING.
10:42:30AM DON'T EVEN KNOW PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:42:31AM DON'T KNOW THE FLAVOR OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:42:33AM BUT THEY COME TO GET THE MONEY.
10:42:35AM AND WHEN THEY COME, WE NEED TO PUT SOME STIPULATIONS ON IT.
10:42:38AM IF YOU ALL ARE GOING TO BUILD THESE APARTMENTS HERE, WE WANT
10:42:44AM X AMOUNT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE 40% BELOW THE POVERTY
10:42:48AM LEVEL, THE AMI LEVEL IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
10:42:51AM AND WE NEED 25% OF THESE BASED ON YOUR INCOME.
10:42:56AM USUALLY WHEN I WAS GETTING FOOD STAMPS IT CAME WITH
10:42:59AM STIPULATIONS.
10:43:00AM WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU THESE FOOD STAMPS, YOU CAN WORK BUT
10:43:03AM YOU CAN'T MAKE NO MORE THAN THIS.
10:43:05AM SINCE YOU ALL ARE THE ONE OPENING UP THE DOORS TO THESE
10:43:07AM PEOPLE, LET'S PUT SOME STIPULATIONS ON IT.
10:43:09AM BECAUSE TOO MANY TIMES THE BUILDERS COME HERE AND THEY HAVE
10:43:12AM THEIR STIPULATION AND WE JUST THROW MONEY AT THEM.
10:43:15AM THROW MONEY AT THEM.
10:43:16AM AND WE CAN'T DO THAT THIS TIME.
10:43:19AM THANK YOU.
10:43:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:43:21AM ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
10:43:23AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:43:25AM CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
10:43:26AM MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:43:29AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
10:43:30AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:43:31AM AYE.
10:43:31AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:43:32AM WHO WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION?
10:43:33AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
10:43:36AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
10:43:37AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:43:38AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:43:39AM NEXT UP IS ITEM NUMBER 77.
10:43:43AM YES, MA'AM.
10:43:45AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:43:46AM >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR AND COUNCIL.
10:43:49AM McLANE EVANS, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
10:43:51AM ITEM 77 IS THE ANNUAL ROLL ADOPTION FOR THE STORMWATER
10:43:55AM NON-AD VALOREM SERVICE ASSESSMENT.
10:43:57AM IT HAS NOT BEEN CHANGED.
10:44:01AM CURRENT RATE IS $82 PER ESU.
10:44:03AM IT HAS BEEN THAT SAME RATE SINCE 2015.
10:44:07AM I AND STAFF ARE AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:44:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
10:44:10AM SO JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE, THE STORMWATER SERVICE
10:44:14AM ASSESSMENT HAS ALREADY REACHED ITS MAXIMUM LEVEL, IS THAT
10:44:17AM CORRECT?
10:44:17AM IT WON'T GO HIGHER THAN --
10:44:19AM >> THAT IS CORRECT.
10:44:20AM THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF STORMWATER ASSESSMENTS.
10:44:23AM BOTH OF THEM HAVE.
10:44:24AM THIS PARTICULAR ONE IS THE SERVICE ASSESSMENT FOR OPERATION
10:44:27AM AND MAINTENANCE OF THE STORMWATER SYSTEM AND APPLIES TO THE
10:44:30AM WHOLE CITY.
10:44:30AM IT REACHED ITS MAXIMUM LEVEL AT 2015.
10:44:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:44:34AM IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM
10:44:38AM 77?
10:44:38AM PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
10:44:43AM PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES, AND PLEASE SILENCE YOUR
10:44:46AM CELL PHONES.
10:44:47AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:44:47AM I'M GOING TO PUT MINE ON TOO.
10:44:50AM I HAVE A GREAT RING TONE.
10:44:55AM YES, MA'AM.
10:44:58AM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
10:45:00AM IF I'M WRONG, SOMEBODY PLEASE CORRECT ME.
10:45:02AM BUT I SAID THIS ON MONDAY.
10:45:04AM SO WE'LL JUST TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN FOR A MINUTE.
10:45:07AM WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS ASSESSMENT, THERE IS A WHOLE LOT OF
10:45:11AM MONEY GOING TOWARDS SALARIES, BUT IN THIS STORMWATER
10:45:14AM ASSESSMENT FUND, 15.5 MILLION, 12.9 GOING TO SALARIES.
10:45:21AM I'M SORRY.
10:45:21AM IF THIS IS A STORMWATER ASSESSMENT, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU
10:45:25AM THIS, I WANT MY MONEY GOING TOWARDS PROJECTS, NOT PEOPLE,
10:45:28AM ESPECIALLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE WORDS VISION ZERO NEXT TO
10:45:32AM THEIR JOB DESCRIPTION.
10:45:34AM ESPECIALLY FOLKS WHO HAVE THE WORD MOBILITY NEXT TO THEIR
10:45:38AM JOB DESCRIPTION.
10:45:39AM IF YOU'RE GOING TO EMPLOY STORMWATER PEOPLE OUT OF THE
10:45:44AM STORMWATER BUDGET, THAT'S FINE.
10:45:45AM BUT, I MEAN, NOBODY BOTHERED TO CALL ME.
10:45:47AM I SAID THIS ON MONDAY.
10:45:48AM YOU KNOW WHAT?
10:45:49AM I'M NOT AN EXPERT BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION ABOUT
10:45:53AM ANYTHING BUT DIGGING AROUND IN THE BUDGET.
10:45:55AM WHICH I LOVE TO DO.
10:45:56AM BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GOT ALL THESE PROJECTS HERE AND THEY
10:45:59AM DON'T -- THAT IS 18 MILLION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
10:46:02AM ANYWAY, BUT THEN WHEN WE GET OVER HERE, WE'VE GOT LIKE 200
10:46:06AM MILLION DOLLARS' WORTH OF PROJECTS.
10:46:08AM NOW, WE MET WITH STORMWATER FOLKS YESTERDAY AND THEY SAID A
10:46:10AM LOT OF THESE ARE GOING TO BOND OFF IN THE NEXT YEAR.
10:46:13AM I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT SOME OF THE BONDS ARE
10:46:16AM GOING AWAY.
10:46:17AM BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE STORMWATER BONDS ARE
10:46:22AM BEING SPENT TO IMPACT OUR COMMUNITIES, NOT JUST PAYING FOR
10:46:27AM PEOPLE.
10:46:28AM BECAUSE AS MUCH AS THOSE PEOPLE ARE HARD WORKING, THEY ARE
10:46:32AM NOT STANDING OUT THERE WITH A BARRIER KEEPING WATER FROM
10:46:36AM ENCROACHING ON SOMEBODY'S HOUSE.
10:46:38AM THEY ARE NOT KEEPING THE WATER FROM COMING INTO PEOPLE'S
10:46:42AM HOMES.
10:46:43AM THEY ARE NOT CREATING SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO HELP US
10:46:48AM WITH OUR FLOOD INSURANCE IN THE CITY.
10:46:51AM YOU KNOW WHAT?
10:46:52AM THEY HAVE SAID IN THESE MEETINGS THAT THIS IMPACTS OUR
10:46:56AM INSURANCE RATES.
10:46:57AM IT CAN ALSO IMPACT OUR BOND RATINGS FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:47:01AM SO SOMEBODY NEEDS TO ASK WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING AND WHY
10:47:05AM THE MONEY IS GOING THE WAY IT IS.
10:47:07AM YOU KNOW WHAT, IF I'M WRONG, PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL ME.
10:47:10AM EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS MY E-MAIL ADDRESS.
10:47:12AM EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS MY PHONE NUMBER.
10:47:13AM BUT I HAVEN'T GOTTEN A CALL SINCE MONDAY THAT SAYS,
10:47:16AM STEPHANIE, YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
10:47:18AM I'M OKAY WITH BEING WRONG.
10:47:20AM I JUST WANT TO ASK THE QUESTIONS.
10:47:21AM THE NUMBER ONE QUESTION I WANT TO ASK HERE TODAY IS, WHY IS
10:47:25AM ALL OUR STORMWATER BOND GOING TO PERSONNEL, NOT TO PROJECTS?
10:47:30AM JUST SAYING.
10:47:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:47:33AM IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM 77?
10:47:35AM VIK, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD, SIR?
10:47:42AM >>VIK BHIDE: GOOD MORNING CHAIR, GOOD MORNING COUNCIL.
10:47:45AM VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
10:47:47AM SO THE SALARIES FOR STORMWATER EMPLOYEES ARE FOR THE
10:47:54AM EMPLOYEES THAT DO MAINTENANCE ON THE SYSTEM, THAT ARE
10:47:58AM SUPERVISORS OF THE TEAM THAT DOES MAINTENANCE.
10:48:01AM IF YOU LOOK AT OUR OPERATIONS DIVISION, ABOUT 40% OF THE
10:48:08AM STAFF, ABOUT 160 PEOPLE ARE STORMWATER OPERATIONS PERSONNEL.
10:48:13AM THESE ARE THE SAME FOLKS THAT RESPOND TO STORMS.
10:48:17AM THE SAME FOLKS THAT RESPOND AFTER STORMS.
10:48:20AM THESE ARE THE FOLKS THAT HUNKER DOWN DURING EMERGENCIES.
10:48:23AM SO THAT'S WHAT THE SALARIES ARE GOING TOWARDS.
10:48:27AM IF THE CURRENT MOBILITY -- I NEED TO LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT A
10:48:31AM LITTLE CLOSER, MOBILITY IS THE DEPARTMENT.
10:48:35AM STORMWATER IS A DIVISION WITHIN MOBILITY.
10:48:39AM THERE'S ENGINEERING AND OPERATIONS.
10:48:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:48:43AM YES, MA'AM.
10:48:45AM ANYTHING ELSE?
10:48:46AM >> YES, MR. CHAIR.
10:48:47AM AS LEGAL, I WOULD JUST ADD THAT THE STORMWATER SERVICE
10:48:50AM ASSESSMENT, AS WITH ALL NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENTS, HAVE
10:48:53AM VERY STRICT PARAMETERS ON HOW THOSE DOLLARS CAN BE SPENT.
10:48:57AM IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE DOLLARS COLLECTED BY THE CITY
10:49:00AM UNDER THE STORMWATER SERVICE ASSESSMENT CAN ONLY BE USED FOR
10:49:03AM STORMWATER OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE.
10:49:06AM THEY COULDN'T BE USED FOR SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS OR
10:49:11AM DIVISIONS AND DEPARTMENTS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN MENTIONED.
10:49:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:49:15AM >>BILL CARLSON: I DID SPEAK TO MS. POYNOR ABOUT THIS AND I
10:49:18AM LOOKED AT THE DOCUMENTS MYSELF.
10:49:19AM THE WAY I READ THEM, IT APPEARS THAT THAT RULE HAS BEEN
10:49:24AM BROKEN OR THE TITLES ARE MISLABELED.
10:49:27AM I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT CITY COUNCIL USE ITS INVESTIGATIVE
10:49:31AM AUTHORITY TO TAKE A FORENSIC LOOK AT THIS BUDGET TO MAKE
10:49:34AM SURE IT'S BEEN USED CORRECTLY.
10:49:35AM BUT UNTIL THAT'S DONE, I'M GOING TO VOTE NO.
10:49:38AM THANK YOU.
10:49:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS BUDGET OR THIS SPECIFIC ASSESSMENT?
10:49:41AM >>BILL CARLSON: I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST BOTH.
10:49:43AM THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY WASTED IN THE CITY.
10:49:47AM WE KNOW THINGS SHUFFLED AROUND.
10:49:48AM WE TALKED ABOUT SHELL GAMES IN THE PAST.
10:49:50AM I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS CASE OR NOT.
10:49:52AM BUT BY THE WAY THINGS ARE LABELED IT LOOKS LIKE MONEY IN
10:49:55AM STORMWATER IS BEING PAID FOR OTHER THINGS.
10:49:57AM IF IT'S NOT, AS MR. BHIDE SAID, WE NEED TO RELABEL IT.
10:50:00AM WHEN WE'VE BEEN SUSPICIOUS IN THE PAST AND WE'VE LOOKED AT
10:50:06AM BUDGETS, WE FOUND THAT WHAT WE LOOKED FOR WAS TRUE MOST OF
10:50:10AM THE TIME AND OUR CONCERNS WERE REAL.
10:50:11AM THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY WERE REAL.
10:50:13AM I THINK WE NEED TO CAREFULLY LOOK AT THIS.
10:50:16AM NO CRITICISM OF MR. BHIDE, BUT HOW THIS WAS PUT TOGETHER AND
10:50:19AM HOW IT'S BEING PRESENTED ON THE SURFACE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE
10:50:22AM ARE ISSUES AND I THINK THEY NEED TO BE INVESTIGATED.
10:50:25AM THIS WAS A VERY CONTROVERSIAL TAX WHEN IT WAS APPROVED
10:50:28AM BEFORE I GOT ON COUNCIL.
10:50:29AM AND THE PUBLIC FEELS THAT IT SHOULD BE -- THE PEOPLE THAT
10:50:32AM ARE NOT IN AREAS THAT FLOOD FEEL LIKE THEY ARE SUBSIDIZING
10:50:36AM THE AREAS THAT ARE.
10:50:37AM PEOPLE IN THE AREAS OF FLOOD WONDER WHY THINGS AREN'T
10:50:40AM HAPPENING FASTER.
10:50:41AM TO MS. POYNOR'S POINT, IF A LOT OF MONEY IS BEING SPENT ON
10:50:45AM STAFF AND NOT ON PROJECTS, THE PUBLIC IS NOT SEEING MUCH OF
10:50:49AM THE RESULTS OF THE STORMWATER TAX.
10:50:51AM THEY ARE NOT SEEING THE FLOOD RELIEF.
10:50:54AM SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE BUDGET FORENSICALLY.
10:50:57AM THANK YOU.
10:50:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU HAD YOUR
10:50:59AM MICROPHONE --
10:51:00AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: A COUPLE OF THINGS.
10:51:01AM FIRST OF ALL, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO LOOKING AT SOME FOR
10:51:05AM INVESTIGATION, BUT I GOT TO KNOW WHAT THE INVESTIGATION IS
10:51:07AM ABOUT.
10:51:08AM WHERE ARE THE FLAWS AT?
10:51:09AM THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
10:51:11AM NUMBER TWO, THIS TAX MAY BE CONTROVERSIAL.
10:51:13AM BUT WHAT IT REALLY DOES IS THE NEW PEOPLE OR THE SAME AREA
10:51:15AM THAT IS SOMETHING MORE DEVELOPMENT, WE WANT THEM TO PAY.
10:51:18AM NOT TO GO CITYWIDE, CITIZENS OF CITY OF TAMPA HAVE NO
10:51:22AM INDIRECT OR DIRECT BENEFIT FROM THIS BEING CHARGED FOR THAT
10:51:26AM TAX.
10:51:26AM THAT'S WHY THIS IS ON THIS DEVELOPMENT ALONE.
10:51:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:51:30AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:51:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
10:51:32AM IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN POSTPONE THIS VOTE FOR THE MOVING
10:51:38AM OF THIS RESOLUTION UNTIL MR. BHIDE CAN CLARIFY WHAT SOME OF
10:51:45AM THOSE MOBILITY DEPARTMENTS ARE?
10:51:47AM BECAUSE I HAD THE SAME QUESTIONS WHEN I WENT THROUGH.
10:51:50AM IT WASN'T CLEAR.
10:51:54AM MR. BHIDE, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU COULD DO?
10:51:58AM >>VIK BHIDE: SO, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.
10:52:02AM I BELIEVE WE CAN BRING THIS UP AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING,
10:52:05AM IF NEEDED.
10:52:06AM WE ARE STILL WITHIN THE TAX ROLL DEADLINE HERE.
10:52:11AM HOWEVER, LET ME CLARIFY AGAIN ON SOME OF THESE POSITIONS.
10:52:16AM A MAJORITY OF STORMWATER FLOWS OFF OF ROADWAYS INTO THE
10:52:21AM SYSTEM AND THEN DOWN-FALLS UNLESS IT IS A CLOSED BASE SYSTEM
10:52:27AM LIKE NEW TAMPA.
10:52:28AM IF THERE'S ANY ROADWAY WORK RELATED TO STORMWATER, IT ISN'T
10:52:33AM A SURPRISE AT ALL, WHICH IS WHY MANY CITIES' TRANSPORTATION
10:52:37AM AND STORMWATER DEPARTMENTS ARE CONNECTED AND ARE UNDER ONE
10:52:41AM ROOF.
10:52:42AM SO, FOR EXAMPLE, ANY CAPITAL PROJECT THAT WE HAVE WITH
10:52:46AM STORMWATER INCLUDES PAVING, INCLUDES OTHER PERIPHERAL STREET
10:52:52AM FURNITURE, AND THAT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE INTRINSICALLY
10:52:57AM CONNECTED.
10:52:58AM WHEN WE DO PAVING OF ROADS AS WELL, ONE KEY PART OF IT IS
10:53:01AM PROFILING THE ROADWAY TO DIRECT STORMWATER.
10:53:03AM THAT IS THE MAIN REASON FOR PROFILING THE ROADWAY IN THE
10:53:07AM ROADWAY SYSTEMS.
10:53:08AM SO IF THESE ARE -- AND WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SCALE OF
10:53:13AM THIS, BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS REACHES ANY MUSTER OF
10:53:17AM SIGNIFICANT CONCERN, BUT WE'LL LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTS.
10:53:21AM BUT I DO WANT COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THAT
10:53:26AM STORMWATER AND ROADWAYS ARE INTRINSICALLY CONNECTED.
10:53:30AM MORE WATER FLOWS OVER ROADWAYS INTO OUR SYSTEM THAN THE
10:53:34AM SYSTEMS THEMSELVES OR THROUGH OUR PONDS.
10:53:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
10:53:38AM MS. EVANS, SINCE -- CAN YOU CLARIFY?
10:53:44AM YOU SAID THAT ALL OF THE MONEY HAS TO BE SPENT WITHIN
10:53:48AM STORMWATER.
10:53:51AM IS THAT STORMWATER, DOES THAT INCLUDE PAVING BY THE
10:53:56AM RESOLUTION OR THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS CREATED?
10:54:00AM >> McLANE EVANS, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
10:54:03AM IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, YOU ARE STARTING TO GET INTO THE
10:54:07AM TECHNICAL DETAILS BEYOND SORT OF MY LEGAL EXPERTISE.
10:54:11AM HOWEVER, THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE DOLLARS COLLECTED
10:54:15AM UNDER THE NON-AD VALOREM STORMWATER ASSESSMENT IS THAT THOSE
10:54:18AM DOLLARS BE SPENT FOR OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF THE
10:54:21AM STORMWATER SYSTEM.
10:54:22AM NOW, IF YOU HAVE TO TEAR UP A ROAD OR CREATE A NEW AREA TO
10:54:27AM INSTALL OR MAINTAIN A STORMWATER SYSTEM, WE HAVE A DUTY AND
10:54:31AM OBLIGATION TO PUT THAT BACK.
10:54:34AM SO THAT COULD BE COSTS THAT WOULD BE NORMALLY INCLUDED IN
10:54:39AM THAT.
10:54:41AM HOW EXACTLY THE COMPONENTS OF EACH INDIVIDUAL STORMWATER
10:54:45AM PROJECT ARE DEFINED, I WOULD NEED TO GET SOME HELP FROM SOME
10:54:49AM OF THE STAFF ENGINEERS FOR THAT.
10:54:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
10:54:51AM I'M STILL GOING TO SAY, IF THERE'S WIGGLE ROOM IN BEING ABLE
10:54:56AM TO MAYBE EXTEND THE PUBLIC HEARING SO WE CAN GET ANSWER TO
10:55:00AM THE QUESTIONS, I WOULD PREFER THAT BECAUSE I WOULD RATHER
10:55:02AM NOT HAVE TO VOTE NO.
10:55:04AM BUT I AM -- I MEAN, THAT MAKES SENSE, BUT I WOULD STILL LIKE
10:55:08AM TO SEE IT.
10:55:10AM THAT'S JUST MY RECOMMENDATION.
10:55:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE CAN TAKE IT OFF UNTIL SEPTEMBER 5,
10:55:14AM MAYBE.
10:55:14AM THAT IS THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
10:55:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK: COULD WE DO THAT SEPTEMBER 3?
10:55:20AM >> I'LL HAVE TO DEFER TO MR. BHIDE.
10:55:23AM IS THE TAX COLLECTOR'S DEADLINE SEPTEMBER 15 DO YOU KNOW OR
10:55:28AM IS IT BEFORE THEN?
10:55:30AM >>VIK BHIDE: I DON'T KNOW.
10:55:32AM I'LL NEED TO CONFIRM THAT.
10:55:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S HOLD OFF UNTIL WE GET -- WE CAN
10:55:37AM PUT IT LATER IN THE AGENDA.
10:55:40AM >> OKAY.
10:55:40AM IF YOU COULD PUT IT BACK ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE IF WE MISS
10:55:43AM THAT DEADLINE, WE MISS THE WHOLE ASSESSMENT FOR THE YEAR AND
10:55:46AM I WILL CHECK ON THAT FOR YOU.
10:55:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. BHIDE IF YOU CAN GET THE INFORMATION
10:55:50AM WITH WHAT THE DEADLINE IS.
10:55:52AM TELL THE LEGISLATIVE AIDE AND SHE WILL TELL ME.
10:56:01AM IF WE CAN LOOK AT SEPTEMBER 5, WHICH IS THE NEXT CITY
10:56:05AM COUNCIL MEETING, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AWAY.
10:56:08AM >>VIK BHIDE: CHAIR, IF I COULD ADD ONE MORE THING, THE
10:56:10AM IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT IS WHAT DOES PROJECTS, CAPITAL
10:56:13AM PROJECTS FOR THE MOST PART.
10:56:15AM THE SERVICE ASSESSMENT MAY HAVE PROJECTS IN RESPONSE TO A
10:56:20AM FLOODING EVENT OR IN RESPONSE TO MINOR PROJECTS, WHICH IS
10:56:24AM LIKE UNDER HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TYPICALLY.
10:56:27AM BUT A MAJORITY OF THE SERVICE ASSESSMENT WORK IS PROVIDING
10:56:30AM SERVICE.
10:56:31AM AND OUR STAFF DOING IT IS CHEAPER THAN CONTRACTS.
10:56:35AM BUT WE ALSO HAVE CONTRACTS THAT AMOUNT TO MILLIONS OF
10:56:37AM DOLLARS.
10:56:38AM ALSO, THE OPERATING BUDGET FOR STORMWATER IS HIGHER THAN
10:56:42AM WHAT THE ASSESSMENT BRINGS IN.
10:56:45AM JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT OUR OPERATING BUDGET ISN'T 15.5
10:56:49AM MILLION.
10:56:50AM IT'S ALMOST $21 MILLION.
10:56:51AM FOR STORMWATER OPERATIONS.
10:56:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:56:56AM BEFORE WE TAKE ANY MOTIONS OR ACTION, THERE'S MORE PUBLIC
10:56:59AM COMMENT.
10:56:59AM THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN THAT RECEIVED NOTICE AND WANTED TO
10:57:01AM SPEAK.
10:57:02AM BUT HE ONLY SPEAKS SPANISH, MR. SHELBY.
10:57:07AM CAN WE TRANSLATE OR NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT?
10:57:11AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ONLINE OR PRESENT?
10:57:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HE'S RIGHT HERE.
10:57:16AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: PERHAPS WE CAN HOLD THAT.
10:57:17AM IF HE CAN ONLY SPEAK SPANISH, WE ONLY HAVE -- I DON'T THINK
10:57:22AM IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE A COUNCIL MEMBER TRANSLATE.
10:57:25AM IF YOU'RE GOING TO HOLD THIS -- WHO IS THIS GENTLEMAN WHO
10:57:31AM NEEDS HELP?
10:57:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IN THE BLUE T-SHIRT A COUPLE OF ROWS
10:57:35AM BACK.
10:57:40AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: LET ME SEE WHAT I CAN DO WORKING WITH THE
10:57:43AM CLERK'S OFFICE, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TO GET SOMEBODY TO
10:57:45AM ASSIST US.
10:57:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:57:47AM THEY'LL TALK TO HIM DIRECTLY SINCE WE'LL POSTPONE THIS ITEM.
10:57:50AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: HE'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY DURING THE TIME
10:57:53AM IT IS POSTPONED TO BE ABLE TO GET SOMEBODY HERE TO HELP HIM
10:57:56AM SPEAK SO WHEN IT COMES BACK, HE'LL BE ABLE TO SPEAK.
10:57:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COME BACK AT ANOTHER DATE.
10:58:01AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, TODAY.
10:58:05AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [INAUDIBLE]
10:58:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LISA BROUGHT ME A PIECE OF PAPER.
10:58:15AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: LET ME SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO ACCOMMODATE.
10:58:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 77 AND 78, PUSH THEM OFF REAL QUICK.
10:58:21AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WOULD YOU LET HIM KNOW
10:58:23AM I'LL TRY TO ACCOMMODATE HIM.
10:58:24AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [SPEAKING SPANISH]
10:58:40AM COME TO THE MIKE.
10:58:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: [SPEAKING SPANISH]
10:58:45AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [SPEAKING SPANISH]
10:58:51AM >> [SPEAKING SPANISH]
10:59:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 77 AND 78, ALL IN ONE.
10:59:06AM >> BUT IN REGARDS TO THIS ITEM.
10:59:11AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: PURPOSES OF THE RECORD AND THE HEARING,
10:59:14AM EXPLAIN THE NOTICE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
10:59:16AM WHAT NUMBERS.
10:59:18AM >> IT DOESN'T SAY.
10:59:18AM JUST HAS A SIDE ADDRESS AND PROPERTY ID NUMBER.
10:59:25AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: STORMWATER ASSESSMENT.
10:59:27AM >> YES.
10:59:27AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: COULD YOU INFORM HIM, UNLESS YOU ARE ABLE
10:59:30AM TO TRANSLATE --
10:59:33AM >> HIS SPANISH IS BETTER THAN MINE, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:59:37AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU CAN ASK HIM TO PLEASE REMAIN HERE
10:59:39AM WHILE WE ARRANGE TO HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN TO HELP TRANSLATE.
10:59:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: [SPEAKING SPANISH]
11:00:01AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:00:03AM >>VIK BHIDE: IF I CAN CLARIFY, I HAVE THE INFORMATION.
11:00:05AM SEPTEMBER 5th WILL WORK.
11:00:07AM THE DEADLINE IS SEPTEMBER 15.
11:00:11AM >> GENERAL HOUSEKEEPING ITEM BEFORE YOU CONTINUE, WE
11:00:15AM RECEIVED ONE WRITTEN COMMENT FOR ITEM NUMBER 77 AND ONE
11:00:18AM WRITTEN COMMENT FOR ITEM 78.
11:00:20AM WOULD COUNCIL PLEASE RECEIVE AND FILE THOSE?
11:00:22AM >> SO MOVED.
11:00:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:00:25AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
11:00:27AM ALL IN FAVOR, AYE?
11:00:28AM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
11:00:30AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD MOVE TO -- CAN I JUST MAKE A
11:00:35AM COMMENT?
11:00:35AM I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT.
11:00:37AM WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO A FORENSIC INVESTIGATION BETWEEN
11:00:40AM NOW AND SEPTEMBER 5th.
11:00:41AM I WOULD ASK -- MAKE A MOTION OR ASK THAT THE -- THIS GOES
11:00:45AM ABOVE VIK'S HEAD.
11:00:47AM THIS ISSUE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, VIK IS PARTLY INVOLVED BUT
11:00:52AM OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE CITY.
11:00:54AM I WOULD ASK THAT THE FOLKS INVOLVED IN THE CITY WOULD MEET
11:00:56AM WITH MAYBE THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY AND OUR BUDGET ADVISOR
11:01:04AM TO GO THROUGH AND SHOW THEM WHAT ALL THESE LABELS MEAN.
11:01:11AM IF OUR ADVISOR COMES BACK AND ALSO INCLUDE MS. POYNOR, BUT
11:01:17AM IF THEY COME BACK AND SAY, OKAY, IT WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING,
11:01:19AM THEN FINE, AND WE'LL MOVE FORWARD.
11:01:21AM OTHERWISE THERE MAY BE A SITUATION WHERE WE NEED TO CHANGE
11:01:24AM LABELS OR WHATEVER.
11:01:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THAT A MOTION AND
11:01:27AM ALSO CONTINUE 77 AND 78 UNTIL SEPTEMBER 5th?
11:01:30AM I'LL GO TO MR. SHELBY.
11:01:32AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I SUGGEST THAT MOTION NOT BE MADE DURING
11:01:35AM THIS PUBLIC HEARING, NUMBER ONE.
11:01:37AM THE MOTION THAT IS OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
11:01:41AM AND TO HOLD THIS ITEM FOR JUST A FEW MINUTES TO SEE IF THIS
11:01:44AM GENTLEMAN DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK SO HE CAN ACTUALLY SPEAK
11:01:46AM TO IT IF THAT'S WHAT HE WISHES TO TODAY.
11:01:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
11:01:53AM >> I JUST -- McLANE EVANS, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, REMIND
11:01:59AM COUNCIL TO PLEASE LEAVE THE HEARINGS OPEN.
11:02:01AM AS MR. BHIDE SAID, WE CAN MAKE THE SEPTEMBER 15 DEADLINE
11:02:04AM WITH THE TAX COLLECTOR IF YOU CHOOSE TO CONTINUE THE ITEM.
11:02:07AM ONE OTHER POINT TO CONSIDER ON NUMBER 78, WHICH IS THE
11:02:13AM CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ASSESSMENT, WE DO HAVE ISSUED BONDS
11:02:17AM THAT ARE DEPENDENT UPON THE APPROVAL OF THAT.
11:02:21AM JUST ONE POINT TO CONSIDER ON THAT ITEM.
11:02:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
11:02:24AM MR. SHELBY, WHAT IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
11:02:27AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU COULD HOLD 77 AND 78 WHILE I TRY TO
11:02:31AM MAKE CONTACT WITH SOMEBODY WHO CAN TRANSLATE.
11:02:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
11:02:34AM ALL RIGHT.
11:02:35AM SE OR -- [SPEAKING SPANISH]
11:02:45AM ALL RIGHT.
11:02:47AM WE'LL GO TO 79.
11:02:54AM >>> JUSTIN VASKE, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
11:02:56AM I AM HERE REGARDING ITEM 79.
11:02:58AM WE ARE REQUESTING THE APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION TO ADOPT A
11:03:01AM NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT ROLL FOR THE NON-AD VALOREM
11:03:05AM ASSESSMENT WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN YBOR AREAS OF THE CITY OF
11:03:08AM TAMPA FOR THE PURPOSE OF PAYING A PORTION OF THE OPERATING
11:03:11AM COSTS OF THE TAMPA HISTORIC ELECTRIC STREETCAR PROJECT
11:03:15AM DURING FISCAL YEAR 2025.
11:03:17AM AS A REMINDER, APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION THAT ADOPTS THE
11:03:21AM NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT ROLL MUST OCCUR DURING THE
11:03:25AM HEARING.
11:03:26AM THE PURPOSE OF THIS HEARING IS TO HEAR TESTIMONY AND RECEIVE
11:03:29AM EVIDENCE TO CONSIDER THE ADOPTION OF THE NON-AD VALOREM
11:03:32AM ASSESSMENT ROLL WITHIN THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT DISTRICT TO
11:03:34AM PAY A PORTION OF THE OPERATING COSTS OF THE TAMPA YBOR
11:03:39AM HISTORIC ELECTRIC STREETCAR PROJECT.
11:03:41AM THE CITY OF TAMPA, AFTER PROVIDING NOTICE BY FIRST-CLASS
11:03:45AM U.S. MAIL TO THE AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE SPECIAL
11:03:47AM ASSESSMENT DISTRICT AND BY PUBLICATION IN THE NEWSPAPER
11:03:52AM GENERALLY CIRCULATED IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IN ACCORDANCE
11:03:54AM WITH FLORIDA STATUTES.
11:03:55AM WE HAVE DONE THIS.
11:03:56AM MR. MICHAEL ENGLISH IS HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM.
11:04:00AM I HAVE RECEIVED ONE OBJECTION REGARDING THIS ASSESSMENT, AND
11:04:05AM I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT IT TO THE CLERK TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
11:04:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE
11:04:11AM FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
11:04:12AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:04:13AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:04:14AM AYE.
11:04:16AM MR. ENGLISH WILL NOW PRESENT.
11:04:18AM MR. ENGLISH, COME ON UP.
11:04:22AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:04:26AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:04:26AM MY NAME IS MICHAEL ENGLISH.
11:04:28AM I'VE BEEN BEFORE YOU BEFORE AND I'M PLEASED TO BE HERE AGAIN
11:04:34AM THIS MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
11:04:36AM THE STREETCARS -- THE STREETCAR HAD ANOTHER IMPORTANT YEAR.
11:04:43AM WE CARRIED OVER 1.3 MILLION PEOPLE.
11:04:46AM WE'RE MAKING A LOT OF TOURISTS HAPPY.
11:04:48AM WE'RE MAKING A LOT OF RESIDENTS HAPPY.
11:04:51AM IT'S BECOME -- STREETCAR HAS REALLY BECOME AN IMPORTANT ICON
11:04:57AM IN THE CHARACTER AND FLAVOR OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:05:00AM I'M VERY PROUD TO HAVE BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH IT FOR SO MANY
11:05:04AM YEARS.
11:05:04AM I'M HERE THIS MORNING TO ASK YOU TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE
11:05:07AM SPECIAL ASSESSMENT AS YOU HAVE IN PREVIOUS YEARS.
11:05:11AM I WANT TO ALSO THANK THE HART.
11:05:15AM HART STAFF HAS DONE AN AMAZING JOB OPERATING THE STREETCAR.
11:05:18AM THEY WORK VERY HARD AT IT.
11:05:20AM THEY DON'T MAKE MANY MISTAKES.
11:05:22AM I ALSO WANT TO THANK VIK BHIDE AND THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT
11:05:26AM AND YOUR RISK MANAGER AND A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE CITY
11:05:30AM ADMINISTRATION HAVE BEEN ENDLESSLY HELPFUL WITH US WHENEVER
11:05:35AM HART NEEDS HELP OR THE STREETCAR BOARD NEEDS HELP.
11:05:38AM SO ON BEHALF OF THE STREETCAR BOARD, I'M ASKING FOR YOUR
11:05:42AM SUPPORT.
11:05:43AM AND I HAVE HART SENIOR STAFF WITH ME THIS MORNING TO ANSWER
11:05:47AM ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
11:05:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS?
11:05:53AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO ASK STAFF.
11:05:54AM SORRY TO MAKE YOU GET BACK UP AGAIN.
11:05:56AM THE FEEDBACK I SAW FROM THE PUBLIC IS CONCERN THAT PEOPLE
11:06:01AM THINK THIS IS NEW.
11:06:02AM COULD YOU JUST ADDRESS THAT, PLEASE?
11:06:04AM >> JUSTIN VASKE, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
11:06:07AM THIS IS NOT A NEW ASSESSMENT AND THE RATE HAS NOT CHANGED.
11:06:09AM >>BILL CARLSON: NOT AN INCREASE.
11:06:11AM >> NOT INCREASE.
11:06:11AM THE DISTRICT HAS NOT BEEN EXPANDED EITHER.
11:06:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:06:16AM BECAUSE I, TOO, HEARD CONCERNS.
11:06:18AM THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
11:06:19AM IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM
11:06:23AM 79?
11:06:23AM HART, MR. WILLETS IS HERE AND OTHERS.
11:06:31AM DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD?
11:06:32AM NO.
11:06:33AM ALL RIGHT.
11:06:33AM WE CANNOT CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL WE PASS THIS
11:06:37AM RESOLUTION.
11:06:37AM MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION?
11:06:39AM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:06:43AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:06:43AM AYE. NOW DO WE NEED A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING OR
11:06:49AM LEAVE IT?
11:06:49AM MOTION TO CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
11:06:53AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, SECOND FROM COUNCIL
11:06:59AM MEMBER HURTAK.
11:07:00AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:07:00AM AYE.
11:07:01AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:07:02AM ALL RIGHT.
11:07:04AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR, MR. ENGLISH.
11:07:06AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AS ALWAYS.
11:07:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOW WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 80.
11:07:11AM >> JUSTIN VASKE, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
11:07:14AM HERE FOR ITEM 80.
11:07:15AM WE ARE REQUESTING THE APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION TO ADOPT THE
11:07:18AM NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT ROLL FOR A NON-AD VALOREM
11:07:21AM ASSESSMENT WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN SPECIAL SERVICE DISTRICT OF
11:07:24AM THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR THE PURPOSE OF PAYING FOR THE
11:07:27AM PROVISION OF CERTAIN ENHANCED SERVICES IN SAID AREA DURING
11:07:30AM THE 2025 FISCAL YEAR, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO,
11:07:34AM MARKETING BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT SAFETY, MAINTENANCE,
11:07:37AM TRANSPORTATION, AND PLANNING, BEAUTIFICATION AND URBAN
11:07:39AM DESIGN.
11:07:40AM ONCE AGAIN, IT IS A REMINDER THAT APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION
11:07:43AM THAT ADOPTS THE NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT MUST OCCUR DURING
11:07:47AM THE HEARING.
11:07:48AM WE ARE ALSO SEEKING THE APPROVAL OF THE DOWNTOWN SPECIAL
11:07:51AM SERVICES AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE DOWNTOWN
11:07:54AM PARTNERSHIP REGARDING THE USE OF THE NON-AD VALOREM
11:07:57AM ASSESSMENT WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN SPECIAL SERVICES DISTRICT.
11:08:00AM THE CEO AND PRESIDENT OF THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP IS HERE TO
11:08:03AM ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
11:08:05AM I'VE RECEIVED TWO OBJECTIONS TO THIS ASSESSMENT, WHICH I
11:08:08AM WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT TO THE CLERK TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
11:08:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM COUNCIL
11:08:12AM MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:08:13AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
11:08:16AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:08:16AM AYE.
11:08:16AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:08:17AM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
11:08:18AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO ASK THE SAME QUESTION.
11:08:20AM I ASK THIS QUESTION EVERY YEAR BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE HAVE JUST
11:08:23AM MOVED INTO CERTAIN AREAS.
11:08:24AM AGAIN, SAME QUESTION.
11:08:25AM IT'S NOT NEW AND NOT AN INCREASE, RIGHT?
11:08:28AM >> JUSTIN VASKE, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
11:08:29AM IT IS NOT NEW, AND THERE'S NO INCREASE.
11:08:31AM >>BILL CARLSON: HOW LONG BEEN GOING ON, 30 YEARS, SOMETHING
11:08:35AM LIKE THAT?
11:08:35AM >> I THINK IN THE RANGE OF 20 YEARS, 25.
11:08:38AM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
11:08:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:08:39AM ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
11:08:42AM YES, MA'AM.
11:08:43AM COME ON UP.
11:08:43AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:08:49AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:08:50AM HEATHER VANDERFORD.
11:08:53AM I AM A RECENT RESIDENT IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
11:08:55AM 33602 ZIP CODE.
11:08:57AM I'M JUST CONFUSED AS TO WHY THIS IS A TAX ON OUR ZIP CODE
11:09:02AM AND NOT A CITY TAX WHEN MOST OF THE AREA THAT WE LIVE IN,
11:09:08AM EVERYONE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA IS USING THE AMENITIES, USING
11:09:11AM THE RIVERWALK AREA, USING ARMATURE WORKS.
11:09:16AM IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM FAIR.
11:09:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
11:09:21AM >>BILL CARLSON: SHOULD WE GET STAFF TO EXPLAIN HOW THESE ARE
11:09:25AM SET UP?
11:09:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YEAH, WE HAVE MR. DRINKARD HERE AND THE
11:09:31AM NEW DIRECTOR.
11:09:32AM >>BILL CARLSON: LEGAL POINT OF VIEW TO SET ONE OF THESE UP,
11:09:35AM YOU CAN EXPLAIN IT, BUT YOU HAVE TO GET INPUT FROM THE
11:09:38AM COMMUNITY.
11:09:38AM >> JUSTIN VASKE, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
11:09:40AM THIS SPECIAL SERVICES ASSESSMENT AREA IS A LIMITED
11:09:44AM ASSESSMENT AREA.
11:09:46AM IT'S FOR SERVICES -- THEY PROVIDE SERVICES WITHIN THAT AREA.
11:09:49AM SO IT'S NOT A CITYWIDE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT.
11:09:51AM IT'S ONLY FOCUSED ON THE ASSESSMENT AREA.
11:09:55AM AND IT PROVIDES A BENEFIT TO THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
11:09:58AM >>BILL CARLSON: CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IN THE BEGINNING
11:10:00AM WHEN THEY SET IT UP, THEY GET INPUT FROM PROPERTY OWNERS AND
11:10:03AM PROPERTY OWNERS CAN OPT IN OR OPT OUT? NO?
11:10:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. MASSEY.
11:10:08AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: EXPLAIN HOW THIS IS SET UP.
11:10:10AM SPECIAL ASSESSMENT DISTRICT, YOU CAN'T OPT IN OR OPT OUT.
11:10:13AM THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO ESTABLISH THE DISTRICT.
11:10:16AM THERE HAS TO BE A STUDY AND AN ANALYSIS PROVING THAT AREA
11:10:19AM HAS BENEFITED BY THE ASSESSMENT.
11:10:22AM AND THAT THOSE MONIES ARE USED IN THAT AREA SOLELY FOR THOSE
11:10:26AM PURPOSES THAT ARE SET FORTH.
11:10:28AM AND THERE IS A METHODOLOGY THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED AND HAS
11:10:30AM TO MEET CERTAIN LEGAL TEST.
11:10:33AM THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE BODY TO ESTABLISH THAT
11:10:35AM ASSESSMENT.
11:10:35AM IT COMES BEFORE YOU ALL ANNUALLY.
11:10:39AM >>BILL CARLSON: BUT WHEN IT WAS SET UP, I ONLY KNOW FROM THE
11:10:42AM EXPERIENCE OF TRYING TO DO THE ONE WORKING WITH FOLKS IN
11:10:44AM YBOR, IN THE BEGINNING WHEN IT WAS SET UP, IF A PROPERTY
11:10:47AM OWNER WAS ON THE BORDER AND THEY SAID I DON'T WANT TO BE
11:10:50AM INCLUDED, I DON'T WANT THE SERVICES, COULD THEY HAVE OPTED
11:10:53AM OUT AT THAT TIME?
11:10:54AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: THERE ARE PROCESSES BY WHICH IF THIS
11:10:57AM COUNCIL BELIEVE IN A SPECIFIC AREA DID NOT MEET THAT TEST
11:11:00AM AND WANTED TO BE EXCLUDED, WE COULD GO AND WE'VE DONE THAT
11:11:03AM BEFORE WITH THE DOWNTOWN ASSESSMENT.
11:11:07AM >>BILL CARLSON: THOSE DECISIONS WERE MADE 20 YEARS AGO.
11:11:09AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: THOSE DECISIONS MADE MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.
11:11:11AM YES, EXCLUDED AREAS BASED ON EVIDENCE AT THAT TIME.
11:11:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:11:16AM WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION, THE FIRST ONE?
11:11:21AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
11:11:23AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:11:26AM THIS IS THE FIRST PART OF THE RESOLUTION OF 80.
11:11:28AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:11:28AM AYE.
11:11:29AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:11:29AM ALL RIGHT.
11:11:33AM AND THEN THE SECOND RESOLUTION.
11:11:36AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO MOVED.
11:11:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK: DO YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM -- [INAUDIBLE]
11:11:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DOES THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP HAVE
11:11:41AM ANYTHING TO PRESENT?
11:11:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK: IT WOULD BE NICE TO --
11:11:47AM >> GOOD MORNING AND THANK YOU.
11:11:48AM I JUST WANT TO INTRODUCE MYSELF TO THIS HONORABLE BODY.
11:11:52AM KENYETTA BRIDGES, NEW PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE TAMPA
11:11:58AM DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP.
11:12:00AM I JUST WANT TO COMMEND THIS BODY AND THANK THIS BODY FOR THE
11:12:01AM WORK TO ADVANCE TAMPA AS A WHOLE AS WELL AS THE CITY OF
11:12:05AM DOWNTOWN.
11:12:06AM AS A PARTNERSHIP, WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO WORK WITH
11:12:09AM YOU TO ADVANCE THE GROWTH OF DOWNTOWN TO ENSURE THAT
11:12:11AM DOWNTOWN IS A PREMIER DESTINATION FOR RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES
11:12:15AM AND VISITORS.
11:12:16AM I JUST THANK YOU.
11:12:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:12:21AM WELCOME.
11:12:22AM CAN I GET A MOTION TO MOVE THE SECOND RESOLUTION?
11:12:24AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:12:26AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
11:12:27AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:12:28AM SO THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS HERE --
11:12:34AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE AFTER THAT?
11:12:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
11:12:38AM MOTION FROM VIERA, SECOND MIRANDA, ALL IN FAVOR?
11:12:41AM AYE.
11:12:42AM GOING BACK REAL QUICK TO THE STORMWATER ITEMS, I KNOW THE
11:12:48AM GENTLEMAN THAT WAS HERE, WE WERE ABLE TO HELP HIM.
11:12:50AM MR. MASSEY, DID YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING TO 77 AND 78?
11:12:55AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: ONE CONCERN THAT I HAD.
11:12:57AM THERE WAS A LEGAL DECISION THAT CAME OUT RELATIVE TO YOUR
11:13:01AM OPENING AND CONTINUING ZONING HEARINGS WHERE A DISTRICT
11:13:03AM COURT SAID THAT THAT, BECAUSE OF STATUTE, DID NOT DIRECTLY
11:13:06AM ADDRESS THAT.
11:13:07AM YOU COULDN'T DO THAT.
11:13:09AM LEGISLATURE HAD TO GO AND FIX THAT.
11:13:10AM THAT DOESN'T APPLY NECESSARILY TO SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS.
11:13:13AM THESE SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS, LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU, THE
11:13:16AM STORMWATER SERVICE ASSESSMENT BASICALLY PAYS FOR THE
11:13:21AM STORMWATER OPERATION STAFF FOR THE CITY.
11:13:23AM I KNOW THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
11:13:25AM IF THAT ASSESSMENT DOES NOT GET PASSED, WE BASICALLY DON'T
11:13:29AM HAVE A STORMWATER OPERATIONS DEPARTMENT ANY LONGER.
11:13:32AM AND THEN THE STORMWATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT
11:13:35AM BASICALLY PAYS FOR CAPITAL STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE
11:13:39AM HAVE BORROWED MONEY AND ISSUED BONDS ON.
11:13:42AM SO THOSE ARE IMPORTANT THINGS FOR THIS COUNCIL TO BE AWARE
11:13:44AM OF.
11:13:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. MASSEY, IF WE WERE TO CONTINUE THIS
11:13:48AM OR POSTPONE THIS FOR TWO WEEKS, ARE WE IN VIOLATION?
11:13:52AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: THAT IS THE QUESTION I ASKED McLANE EVANS
11:13:56AM TO LOOK AT, FRANKLY.
11:13:58AM I'M CONCERNED THAT CASE THAT CAME OUT IN THE ZONING CONTEXT,
11:14:02AM TRY TO MAKE THAT SAME ARGUMENT IN THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT.
11:14:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE CAN HOLD OFF ANY MOTIONS UNTIL LATER
11:14:07AM IN THE MEETING AS WE EXPLORE THAT.
11:14:08AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU WANT TO HOLD OFF ON THAT.
11:14:11AM I DON'T THINK -- I'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH MR.
11:14:13AM MASSEY.
11:14:14AM I DO THINK THERE IS VALIDITY IN WHAT HE'S SAYING.
11:14:19AM IT'S TWO DIFFERENT STATUTES.
11:14:20AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: TWO DIFFERENT STATUTES.
11:14:24AM LEGISLATURE HAD TO FIX 166.
11:14:26AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THIS IS NOT UNDER 166.
11:14:28AM BUT REASONING OF THE COURT COULD APPLY IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO
11:14:31AM CHALLENGE THIS.
11:14:32AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: CORRECT.
11:14:33AM THAT'S MY CONCERN.
11:14:33AM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST SO YOU KNOW AND THE PUBLIC KNOWS, MY
11:14:40AM OBJECTION IS NOT THAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE THIS BECAUSE WE NEED
11:14:44AM TO HAVE STORMWATER REMEDIATION.
11:14:47AM MY QUESTION IS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE MONEY IS BEING SPENT
11:14:50AM EFFICIENTLY AND BEING SPENT ON STORMWATER AND NOT SOMETHING
11:14:54AM ELSE BECAUSE WE NEED -- SO IF WE VOTE TODAY, I'M GOING TO
11:14:59AM VOTE NO NOT BECAUSE I'M AGAINST MOVING THESE PROJECTS
11:15:03AM FORWARD.
11:15:03AM I'M GOING TO VOTE NO BECAUSE I'M NOT CONFIDENT THAT THE
11:15:06AM MONEY IS BEING SPENT EFFECTIVELY TO REMEDIATE THE STORMWATER
11:15:09AM PROBLEM.
11:15:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO WOULD YOU BE MAKING A MOTION TO
11:15:14AM CONTINUE THIS OR LEAVE IT ALONE?
11:15:17AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: I'M VOICING MY CONCERN ABOUT CONTINUING.
11:15:20AM IF THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO DO, THAT'S FINE BUT
11:15:24AM THERE IS A RISK ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
11:15:27AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I JOIN IN THAT CONCERN AS WELL.
11:15:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN WE HOLD THIS UNTIL AFTER LUNCH SO WE
11:15:32AM CAN HAVE TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT?
11:15:34AM I'M TRYING TO BE AS FLEXIBLE AS POSSIBLE.
11:15:38AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: WE'VE ALREADY CONTINUED IT, I GUESS.
11:15:46AM WAITING UNTIL AFTER LUNCH IS NOT A PROBLEM.
11:15:48AM I'M NOT SURE WE'LL HAVE A DIFFERENT ANSWER AFTER LUNCH TO
11:15:50AM BE, QUITE HONESTLY, WITH YOU.
11:15:51AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE ISSUE WOULD BE IF IT IS DELAYED, THE
11:15:54AM ONLY ISSUE WOULD NOT BE WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD BE ON SOUND
11:15:57AM LEGAL GROUND AFTER LUNCH.
11:15:59AM I DON'T THINK THAT WILL CHANGE.
11:16:00AM WHAT WOULD CHANGE IS WHETHER THE STAFF COULD BE ABLE TO WORK
11:16:03AM WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT
11:16:06AM HAVE CONCERNS THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED THAT MIGHT PUT THEIR
11:16:09AM MINDS AT EASE TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS TODAY.
11:16:11AM OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE A NO VOTE.
11:16:13AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:16:15AM I SUGGEST WE WAIT UNTIL AFTER LUNCH TO SEE IF THE STAFF CAN
11:16:18AM TAKE A LOOK AT ANY CONCERNS AND THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
11:16:22AM IF THERE IS A REASONABLE BASIS TO STATE THAT IF WE CONTINUE
11:16:24AM IT, THEN WE UNDERMINE THE LEGAL SUFFICIENCY OF THIS ITEM,
11:16:28AM I'M NOT COMFORTABLE MAKING THAT RISK OR HAVING THAT RISK.
11:16:32AM I THINK THE REASONABLE THING TO DO IS WAIT AFTER LUNCH AND
11:16:36AM LET MR. BHIDE AND OTHERS TAKE A LOOK AT THE ISSUES THAT HAVE
11:16:38AM BROUGHT CONCERNS, SEE IF THEY CAN'T BE RESOLVED.
11:16:41AM IF THEY CAN'T, WE TAKE A VOTE AND GO FROM THERE.
11:16:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I THINK THAT IS A VERY ITALIAN WAY TO DO
11:16:47AM IT.
11:16:47AM EAT, THINK ABOUT IT.
11:16:49AM AND WE'LL REVISIT IT AFTER LUNCH.
11:16:51AM I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY HARM IN A FEW HOURS.
11:16:53AM WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT.
11:16:55AM 77 AND 78 WE'LL WAIT UNTIL AFTER LUNCH.
11:16:58AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO ANY COUNCIL
11:16:59AM MEMBER WHO HAS QUESTIONS TO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THEM IF
11:17:03AM THEY WISH TO BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
11:17:05AM >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T THINK WE'LL GET THE ANSWERS BETWEEN
11:17:08AM NOW AND THEN.
11:17:09AM I THINK IN THE FUTURE AS THESE THINGS COME UP, THERE SHOULD
11:17:13AM BE SOME OTHER KIND OF RELEASE VALVE WHERE WE HAVE A
11:17:17AM DISCUSSION ABOUT THE NUMBERS TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE BEING
11:17:19AM USED EFFECTIVELY IN ALL OF THESE BECAUSE THE PUBLIC IS
11:17:22AM GETTING MORE AND MORE SOPHISTICATED ABOUT THE WAY THEY ARE
11:17:25AM LOOKING AT THESE THINGS, THEY ARE ASKING US QUESTIONS, THEY
11:17:28AM ARE OBJECTING MORE AND MORE TO TAXES.
11:17:31AM AND EVERY DAY I HEAR, ESPECIALLY ON DAYS LIKE TODAY, I HEAR
11:17:34AM WHY IS THERE FLOODING ON MY STREETS, AND PEOPLE FEEL LIKE
11:17:39AM THE PROJECTS ARE GOING REALLY SLOWLY AND THEN WE LOOK AT THE
11:17:42AM NUMBERS AND IT LOOKS LIKE MOST OF THE MONEY IS SPENT ON
11:17:46AM PEOPLE AND NOT PROJECTS.
11:17:47AM WE NEED TO HAVE MORE COMMUNICATION AND THE ADMINISTRATION
11:17:49AM NEEDS TO HAVE MORE OF A DIALOGUE WITH THE PUBLIC ON THIS TO
11:17:52AM BUILD TRUST ABOUT HOW THE MONEY IS BEING SPENT AND MAKE SURE
11:17:55AM IT IS BEING SPENT CORRECTLY.
11:17:57AM WE SEE PROJECTS GO FROM A PARK $5 MILLION THAT GOES TO 18
11:18:01AM MILLION TO 41 MILLION.
11:18:02AM WE HAVE A POLICE EVIDENCE ROOM THAT'S GONE FROM 5 MILLION TO
11:18:07AM 40 MILLION.
11:18:08AM THERE'S NO LIMIT TO HOW MONEY IS SPENT ON THINGS.
11:18:12AM ON THIS PROJECT AND PIPES, I HEAR FROM VENDORS AND OTHERS
11:18:16AM ALL THE TIME THAT THERE'S WASTEFUL SPENDING IN THE MILLIONS
11:18:20AM AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND PEOPLE AT HOME ARE SUFFERING.
11:18:22AM THEY HAVE FLOODING IN THE STREETS AND THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO
11:18:25AM PAY FOR FOOD.
11:18:27AM MOST OF THE RESTAURANTS I TALK TO ARE DOWN 30% RIGHT NOW.
11:18:30AM RESTAURANTS ARE GOING OUT OF BUSINESS.
11:18:32AM ELLA'S IS CLOSING.
11:18:35AM PEOPLE AREN'T SPENDING MONEY GOING OUT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T
11:18:38AM AFFORD TO EAT OUT ANYMORE.
11:18:40AM IF THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO EAT OUT AND CUTTING COSTS IN EVERY
11:18:43AM WAY, WE NEED TO SHOW WE'RE USING EVERY DOLLAR EFFECTIVELY.
11:18:48AM THANK YOU.
11:18:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK: MAYBE GOING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE WE CAN NOT
11:18:52AM JUST HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING BUT DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING
11:18:56AM MAYBE HAVE A PRESENTATION.
11:18:58AM I THINK THAT WOULD HELP GOING FORWARD.
11:19:01AM IF WE ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THIS, THEN I THINK
11:19:04AM WE NEED TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:19:11AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU CAN TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT NOW.
11:19:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
11:19:16AM IF PEOPLE ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON IT, I'D RATHER THEM DO IT
11:19:19AM NOW.
11:19:19AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: FOR PURPOSES OF THE HEARING, WOULD YOU
11:19:22AM KINDLY ASK IF ANYBODY IS HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEMS 77 AND 78?
11:19:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, I WAS DOING THAT.
11:19:29AM YES, MA'AM.
11:19:30AM WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK ON 77 AND 78?
11:19:32AM PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME.
11:19:38AM >> I'M A NEW HOMEOWNER.
11:19:39AM JANELLE RISKETTE.
11:19:43AM I GOT TWO DIFFERENT LETTERS THAT STATED MY PARCEL AND THE
11:19:47AM ASSESSMENT COST.
11:19:48AM I'M VERY NEW.
11:19:49AM I'M A FIRST-TIME HOMEOWNER THROUGH HABITAT.
11:19:54AM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE AWARE OF HABITAT.
11:19:57AM I'M SURE.
11:19:58AM IT IS HELP FOR HOME TO BE AFFORDABLE, COSTS.
11:20:01AM I JUST BOUGHT IT.
11:20:03AM I GOT THAT LETTER.
11:20:04AM I'M A SINGLE MOM.
11:20:05AM I GO TO SCHOOL.
11:20:06AM I WORK FOR USF AND ON MY PLAN I SEE THAT COST.
11:20:12AM OKAY, BEING A FIRST-TIME HOMEOWNER, I DON'T KNOW REALLY WHAT
11:20:16AM THIS IS ABOUT.
11:20:17AM I DID READ THE LETTER.
11:20:18AM I KIND OF GET THE GIST OF IT.
11:20:20AM OKAY.
11:20:21AM I'M GOING TO BE BY, BUT I AM WITH MR. BILL CONSIDERING AND
11:20:27AM GETTING DOWN TO SPECIFICS, BUDGETS BEING USED SPECIFICALLY
11:20:32AM AND THOROUGHLY, NOT JUST AS A GENERAL VIEW BECAUSE IT CAN
11:20:35AM AFFECT PEOPLE.
11:20:36AM I LIVE IN A NON-FLOOD ZONE, SO MY CASE, BUT I WANTED TO
11:20:42AM STATE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
11:20:45AM A LITTLE BIT ADDS UP.
11:20:47AM THEN PROPERTY TAXES.
11:20:48AM IT BECOMES LIKE A TRICKLE EFFECT ECONOMICALLY.
11:20:54AM THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY.
11:20:59AM I'M VERY MUCH FOR WHAT MR. BILL STATED.
11:21:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:21:02AM NEXT SPEAKER.
11:21:08AM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
11:21:09AM I FEEL LIKE I THREW A MONKEY WRENCH IN SOMETHING TODAY.
11:21:13AM YOU KNOW WHAT?
11:21:14AM WHEN I GOT UP HERE AND SPOKE ABOUT WHAT I SPOKE ABOUT THIS
11:21:18AM MORNING, GUESS WHAT, I SAID IT ON MONDAY, TOO.
11:21:20AM I SAID IT FOUR DAYS AGO.
11:21:22AM THREE DAYS AGO.
11:21:24AM WHATEVER.
11:21:24AM AND EVERYBODY HAS MY PHONE NUMBER AND EVERYBODY COULD HAVE
11:21:28AM PICKED UP THE PHONE AND CALLED ME AND SAID, OH, IF YOU'RE
11:21:31AM WRONG, LET'S TALK ABOUT WHY YOU'RE WRONG.
11:21:34AM PEOPLE WANT TO TELL ME I'M WRONG, ESPECIALLY BUDGET AND
11:21:38AM FINANCE FOLKS.
11:21:38AM THEY'LL TELL ME, OH, YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT THAT.
11:21:41AM BUT WHEN I E-MAIL THEM AND MAKE PHONE CALLS TO THEM, THEY
11:21:45AM NEVER WANT TO EXPLAIN ANYTHING TO ME.
11:21:46AM I DON'T WANT TO BE WRONG.
11:21:48AM BUT WHEN YOU IGNORE ME, I DON'T GO AWAY.
11:21:52AM I JUST GET LOUDER.
11:21:54AM I ACTUALLY DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA TODAY
11:21:57AM BECAUSE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN PROBABLY TWO YEARS I HAVEN'T
11:22:00AM READ THE ENTIRE AGENDA.
11:22:01AM I HAD NO CLUE IT WAS ON THE AGENDA TODAY.
11:22:03AM BUT HERE I AM WITH THE SAME PAPER WORK WE HAD ON MONDAY
11:22:07AM TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING FOR A SECOND TIME.
11:22:10AM WHEN EVERYBODY ON STAFF KNOWS FULL GOOD AND WELL I WAS HERE
11:22:14AM COMPLAINING ABOUT IT ON MONDAY.
11:22:16AM NOW IT'S RUSH, RUSH, RUSH, WHEN THEY COULD HAVE SPOKE TO ME
11:22:19AM AND I WOULDN'T HAVE BROUGHT IT UP AGAIN.
11:22:23AM I WOULD HAVE UNDERSTOOD BY TODAY.
11:22:25AM NOW HERE WE ARE HAVING TO PUT THINGS OFF.
11:22:28AM HAVING TO MAKE LEGAL DECISIONS BECAUSE NOBODY WANTED TO SAY,
11:22:33AM HEY, THIS IS WHERE YOU ARE MIXED UP OR CONFUSED.
11:22:36AM I'M JUST A CITIZEN.
11:22:37AM BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AND THE NUMBERS DON'T ADD UP.
11:22:42AM JUST LIKE COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID, IT'S NOT JUST VIK'S
11:22:46AM DEPARTMENT THAT HAS TO HAVE ANSWERS TO THIS BECAUSE THE
11:22:49AM MONEY TRULY LIES IN BUDGET AND FINANCE.
11:22:53AM SO IF YOU DON'T TALK TO ME, I'M GOING TO KEEP ASKING THE
11:22:58AM QUESTIONS THAT I ASK.
11:23:00AM I APOLOGIZE IF THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAPPENED TO TAKE UP THE
11:23:03AM RAMIFICATIONS OF THIS TODAY.
11:23:05AM YOU KNOW WHAT?
11:23:06AM THERE'S BEEN TWO DAYS THAT PEOPLE COULD HAVE PICKED UP THE
11:23:08AM PHONE AND CALLED ME, HEY, POYNOR, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON.
11:23:13AM THIS IS WHAT YOU GOT WRONG, WHAT YOU GOT RIGHT, THIS IS
11:23:15AM WHERE WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE.
11:23:17AM I WAS AT STORMWATER YESTERDAY.
11:23:18AM JUST SAYING, FOR AN HOUR TALKING ABOUT STORMWATER, NOTHING
11:23:22AM BUT STORMWATER.
11:23:23AM STORMWATER IS IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE WE ARE OVERDEVELOPED
11:23:27AM AND UNDER-STORMWATER ATTENDED.
11:23:32AM WE HAVE PROBLEMS.
11:23:35AM I'M SORRY THAT I'M MAKING LIFE HARD FOR THE ATTORNEYS, BUT
11:23:39AM IF SOMEBODY HAD CALLED ME, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE HAVING THIS
11:23:43AM CONVERSATION.
11:23:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:23:44AM ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR THESE ITEMS?
11:23:47AM WE'LL HOLD THEM UNTIL AFTER LUNCH.
11:23:49AM IS THAT FINE?
11:23:50AM WE'LL HOLD THEM UNTIL AFTER LUNCH TO MAKE ANY DECISIONS.
11:23:54AM ITEM NUMBER 81.
11:23:59AM >> JUSTIN VASKE.
11:24:01AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: IF YOU COULD PUT ON THE RECORD AMENDING
11:24:04AM YOUR MOTION WHEN YOU CONTINUED THE PUBLIC HEARINGS TO THE
11:24:07AM 5th, TO --
11:24:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE NEVER VOTED --
11:24:10AM >>MORRIS MASSEY: NEVER VOTED THAT.
11:24:12AM SO STILL OPEN.
11:24:15AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO MOTION TO THAT EFFECT IN THE RECORD.
11:24:18AM >> JUSTIN VASKE, LEGAL DEPARTMENT HERE FOR ITEM 81.
11:24:21AM WE ARE REQUESTING THE APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION TO ADOPT THE
11:24:23AM NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT ROLL FOR NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT
11:24:27AM WITHIN THE WESTSHORE BUSINESS DISTRICT OF THE CITY OF TAMPA
11:24:30AM FOR THE PURPOSE OF PAYING FOR THE PROVISION OF CERTAIN
11:24:33AM ENHANCED SERVICES AND IMPROVEMENTS IN THE SAID AREA DURING
11:24:36AM THE FISCAL YEAR 2025, INCLUDING TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS,
11:24:40AM MARKETING AND SECURITY SERVICES FOR SAID AREA.
11:24:43AM THE UNIT OF MEASUREMENT OR THE ASSESSMENT AMOUNT HAS NOT
11:24:47AM CHANGED.
11:24:48AM ALSO, WE ARE SEEKING APPROVAL OF THE WESTSHORE SPECIAL
11:24:51AM SERVICES AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE WESTSHORE
11:24:54AM ALLIANCE REGARDING THE USE OF THE NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT
11:24:57AM WITHIN THE AREA OF THE CITY KNOWN AS THE WESTSHORE SPECIAL
11:25:01AM SERVICES DISTRICT FOR THE PROVISION OF CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS
11:25:04AM AND SERVICES IN SAID AREA FOR 2025 FISCAL YEAR.
11:25:07AM THERE ARE NO WRITTEN OBJECTIONS CONCERNING THE SPECIAL
11:25:13AM ASSESSMENT.
11:25:13AM AS A REMINDER, APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION THAT ADOPTS NON-AD
11:25:16AM VALOREM ASSESSMENT ROLL MUST OCCUR DURING THE HEARING.
11:25:20AM MICHAEL MARINO, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE WESTSHORE
11:25:23AM ALLIANCE, IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM.
11:25:26AM THANK YOU.
11:25:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:25:27AM ANY QUESTIONS?
11:25:28AM MR. MARINO, COME ON UP.
11:25:30AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:25:33AM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
11:25:34AM MICHAEL MARINO, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WESTSHORE ALLIANCE.
11:25:36AM THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
11:25:37AM THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
11:25:38AM AS MENTIONED, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE RATE.
11:25:41AM BUT AS WE TALKED ABOUT IN OUR BRIEFINGS WITH YOU ALL, THIS
11:25:44AM IS JUST AN ASSESSMENT ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES IN WESTSHORE.
11:25:48AM IN THE LAST YEAR, THOSE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES VALUATION WENT
11:25:51AM DOWN IN TOTAL ABOUT $70 MILLION.
11:25:53AM SO ONE OF THE NEEDS FOR US GOING FORWARD IS A CHANGE TO
11:25:58AM MIXED USE ZONING THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE MORE OF THE MIXED USE
11:26:02AM TO OCCUR IN WESTSHORE.
11:26:04AM SOMETHING YOU'LL SEE COMING UP HOPEFULLY LATER ON THIS YEAR.
11:26:07AM WE'RE WORKING WITH CITY STAFF ON THIS, WORKING WITH PLANNING
11:26:11AM COMMISSION STAFF ON THIS AS WELL.
11:26:12AM OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE WESTSHORE A PREMIER MIXED USE DISTRICT.
11:26:16AM YOU'LL ACTUALLY APPROVE SOMETHING EARLIER TODAY THAT ALLOWS
11:26:19AM THE WESTSHORE ALLIANCE TO TAKE OVER THE MAINTENANCE OF THE
11:26:21AM MEDIANS ON KENNEDY BOULEVARD.
11:26:23AM SOMETHING ELSE COMING LATER ON THIS YEAR HOPEFULLY FOR
11:26:26AM WESTSHORE BOULEVARD AS WELL.
11:26:27AM SO THAT'S WORK THAT WE'RE DOING.
11:26:29AM AGAIN, HAVING A MIXED USE ZONING BE IMPROVED FOR WESTSHORE
11:26:33AM TO MAKE SURE THOSE VALUES INCREASE AND COME BACK IS
11:26:36AM CRITICALLY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT
11:26:38AM WITH THE WESTSHORE INTERCHANGE, THERE'S BEEN ABOUT HALF A
11:26:42AM MILLION SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL OFFICE THAT'S BEEN LOST AS
11:26:45AM A PART OF BUILDING THAT PROJECT.
11:26:47AM IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WHATEVER DEVELOPMENT OCCURS GOING
11:26:50AM FORWARD IS A MIXED USE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE MARKET
11:26:52AM DEMANDS.
11:26:54AM ANY QUESTIONS, HAPPY TO TAKE THEM.
11:26:56AM THANK YOU.
11:26:57AM >>BILL CARLSON: DO YOU REMEMBER HOW LONG THIS HAS BEEN IN
11:26:59AM PLACE?
11:26:59AM >> SINCE SEPTEMBER 2002.
11:27:03AM 22 YEARS.
11:27:04AM >>BILL CARLSON: AND THEN THE $70 MILLION REDUCTION IN VALUE,
11:27:09AM HOW MUCH HAS THAT HIT YOUR BUDGET?
11:27:13AM >> IT ENDS UP BEING LIKE IN TOTAL ABOUT $10,000 DIFFERENCE
11:27:19AM BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE ASSESSMENT IS DONE.
11:27:21AM IT'S REALLY A DRAG ON THE CITY.
11:27:24AM THE RATE FOR WESTSHORE IS THIRTEEN TWO FIVE CENTS PER
11:27:30AM THOUSAND.
11:27:31AM BUT IT OBVIOUSLY HAS A MUCH LARGER IMPACT ON THE CITY AND
11:27:35AM COUNTY'S BUDGET BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE LION'S SHARE OF THE
11:27:37AM PROPERTY TAX IS GOING.
11:27:39AM >>BILL CARLSON: TO MY COLLEAGUES, I'M HEARING, MAYBE YOU
11:27:41AM HEARD THE SAME THING FROM BIG PROPERTY OWNERS, THE LAST FEW
11:27:47AM YEARS WE'VE HAD AN INCREASE IN BUDGET AND THE BUDGETS HAVE
11:27:51AM EXCEEDED EXPECTATIONS. WHAT THE BIG PROPERTY OWNERS ARE
11:27:55AM TELLING ME NOW, THEY'LL GO BACK TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER
11:27:58AM AND NEGOTIATE DOWN BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY COMPS OF
11:28:02AM BUILDINGS WHERE THE PROPERTY VALUES HAVE GONE DOWN.
11:28:04AM AND THIS IS IN OUR URBAN AREAS.
11:28:09AM SO THIS COULD HAVE A BIG IMPACT ON CRA MONEY, FOR EXAMPLE,
11:28:12AM BUT ALSO THE SPECIAL SERVICES DISTRICTS.
11:28:14AM THIS NEXT YEAR COULD BE A MUCH BIGGER HIT, POTENTIALLY.
11:28:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:28:18AM ANYBODY ELSE?
11:28:18AM IS THERE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 81?
11:28:22AM THERE'S NOBODY REGISTERED.
11:28:25AM MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
11:28:27AM MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA FOR THE FIRST RESOLUTION.
11:28:29AM SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
11:28:31AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:28:31AM AYE.
11:28:32AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:28:33AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE THE SECOND RESOLUTION.
11:28:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO MOVE THE SECOND RESOLUTION BY
11:28:37AM MIRANDA.
11:28:38AM SECOND BY HENDERSON.
11:28:39AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:28:39AM AYE.
11:28:40AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:28:40AM MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
11:28:43AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:28:44AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
11:28:46AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:28:46AM AYE.
11:28:47AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:28:47AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:28:50AM ITEM NUMBER 82, WE ARE AT 11:29.
11:28:55AM I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THIS IS GOING TO TAKE, BUT WE DO WANT
11:28:57AM TO STOP AT 12 BECAUSE WE DO HAVE 1:30 PUBLIC HEARINGS.
11:29:06AM >>ROSS SAMONS: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
11:29:08AM PRESENTING FILE VAC-24-13.
11:29:13AM THE APPLICANT IS WASTE MANAGEMENT INCORPORATED.
11:29:29AM REPRESENTATIVES NAMES, HUDSON.
11:29:31AM PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 1400 NORTH 35th STREET.
11:29:37AM PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST TO VACATE A PORTION OF 4th
11:29:39AM AVENUE LOCATED NORTH OF 3rd AVENUE, SOUTH OF CSX RAILROAD,
11:29:44AM EAST OF 34th STREET AND WEST OF 35th STREET.
11:29:47AM APPLICATION WAS FILED WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA ON APRIL 26,
11:29:54AM 2024.
11:29:55AM APPLICANT REASON FOR APPLICATION, OWNER OF THE PROPERTY ON
11:29:59AM BOTH SIDES OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY REQUEST TO BE VACATED.
11:30:02AM THEY ARE PLANNING CONSTRUCTION NEW INDUSTRIAL BUILDING THAT
11:30:04AM WILL BE BUILT ACROSS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
11:30:06AM THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY WAS CREATED BY SUBDIVISION PLAT AND CITY
11:30:15AM ACQUISITION.
11:30:16AM EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY IS APPROXIMATELY 19,500 SQUARE FEET.
11:30:20AM THIS EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY IS A PROTECTED BRICK STREET.
11:30:25AM PROPER NOTICE WAS FILED FOR THIS, AND IT'S TO BE -- IT'S
11:30:31AM REQUIRED THAT THE PROTECTED BRICK STREET IS TO GO THROUGH
11:30:33AM ONE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THAT PUBLIC HEARING WILL RUN IN
11:30:37AM CONJUNCTION WITH THE VACATING AND PROPER NOTICE WAS FILED
11:30:41AM PER SECTION 22-39 OF THE CODE.
11:30:44AM HERE IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST.
11:30:51AM YELLOW.
11:30:53AM AND THE PROPERTY IN RED.
11:31:05AM YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED VACATING HERE IN THE SUBDIVISION
11:31:10AM PLAT.
11:31:11AM AS YOU CAN SEE, IT WAS A PREVIOUS RAILROAD.
11:31:15AM HERE IS AN IMAGE OF THE PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST.
11:31:22AM THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS LOOKING EAST FROM NORTH 34th STREET.
11:31:25AM HERE IS THE PROPOSED VACATING RIGHT-OF-WAY LOOKING WEST FROM
11:31:33AM NORTH 35th STREET.
11:31:35AM STAFF HAS NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS VACATING REQUEST.
11:31:41AM EASEMENT RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED BY STORMWATER AND TECO.
11:31:45AM TEMPORARY EASEMENT IS REQUIRED BY THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
11:31:47AM SPECIAL CONDITIONS INCLUDE NATURAL RESOURCES AND THIS
11:31:51AM COMPLIES WITH CHAPTER 27 IN REGARDS TO TREE PRESERVATION AND
11:31:55AM SITE DESIGN FOR ANY IMPROVEMENTS PLACED ADJACENT TO TREES IN
11:31:58AM A VACATED AREA.
11:31:59AM NUMBER TWO, BRICK MUST BE CLEANED, RETURNED TO CITY OF TAMPA
11:32:05AM MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
11:32:06AM NUMBER THREE, WITHIN 12 MONTHS, APPLICANT SUBMIT UTILITY
11:32:11AM SERVICE APPLICATION TO THE WATER DEPARTMENT FOR FULL
11:32:13AM ABANDONMENT AND DISCONNECTION OF WATER FACILITIES AND
11:32:16AM EXECUTE A RELEASE OF TEMPORARY EASEMENT WHICH WILL INCLUDE A
11:32:18AM BILL OF SALE PROVISION, TRANSFERRING THE OWNERSHIP OF
11:32:21AM CITY-OWNED WATER SERVICE FACILITIES LOCATED WITHIN THE
11:32:25AM VACATED RIGHT-OF-WAY.
11:32:26AM NUMBER FOUR, THE PETITIONER MUST BE ISSUED A PERMIT FROM
11:32:31AM CITY FOR VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION OF A STRUCTURE ENCOMPASSING
11:32:34AM THE VACATED RIGHT-OF-WAY WITHIN FIVE YEARS.
11:32:37AM I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
11:32:42AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THIS IS CLOSING A COMPLETE STREET, AM I
11:32:45AM CORRECT?
11:32:45AM >>ROSS SAMONS: YES.
11:32:47AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE PROJECT, BUT I
11:32:50AM DON'T VOTE TO CLOSE A STREET.
11:32:51AM I HAVEN'T DONE IT IN THE PAST YEARS.
11:32:54AM IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, GOT TO STICK WITH THAT.
11:32:57AM NOT OPPOSED TO IT BUT I CAN'T VOTE BECAUSE YOU CLOSE ONE
11:32:59AM STREET, YOU'LL HAVE TO CLOSE THEM ALL.
11:33:02AM I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS PETITION.
11:33:04AM I'M TALKING IN GENERAL.
11:33:06AM >>BILL CARLSON: COULD YOU PUT THAT LAST SLIDE UP AGAIN?
11:33:08AM SORRY.
11:33:09AM I KNOW YOU JUST CHANGED IT.
11:33:11AM JUST TO REITERATE ONE MORE TIME, NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE AN
11:33:15AM ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRES PEOPLE TO, THE CITY OR OTHERS, TO
11:33:19AM PROTECT THE BRICKS, AND THAT'S WHAT IS APPLYING HERE.
11:33:22AM >>ROSS SAMONS: YEAH, IT HAS TO BE NOTIFIED ALONG WITH THE
11:33:25AM VACATING NOTICE.
11:33:27AM IT IS A BRICK STREET THAT IS BEING PROPOSED TO BE VACATED.
11:33:30AM >>BILL CARLSON: FOLKS GET VERY CONCERNED ABOUT BRICKS BEING
11:33:33AM PULLED UP.
11:33:35AM WHAT WILL HAPPEN, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO SAVE ALL OF THEM BUT
11:33:37AM SAVE AS MANY AS POSSIBLE, AS YOU SAY, PALLETIZE AND USE
11:33:41AM SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY, MAYBE 7th AVENUE.
11:33:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:33:45AM PETITIONER.
11:33:52AM >> TYLER HUDSON, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
11:33:55AM I'M MINDFUL OF OUR POSITION BETWEEN THIS BODY AND LUNCH.
11:33:58AM WE'LL TRY TO KEEP IT AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE.
11:34:00AM WITH ME HERE THIS MORNING, MY COLLEAGUE ALEX SCHALER.
11:34:04AM STANTEC IS HERE.
11:34:06AM AND WASTE MANAGEMENT IS HERE.
11:34:09AM HE WILL SPEAK TOWARDS THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.
11:34:11AM A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS.
11:34:22AM ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE TIME CONSTRAINTS OF THIS PRESENTATION.
11:34:25AM PROBABLY A FAMILIAR SITE TO A LOT OF YOU.
11:34:28AM MAYBE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
11:34:29AM SOMETIME IT IS A FAMILIAR SIGHT AT THE END OF MY OWN
11:34:33AM DRIVEWAY.
11:34:33AM METAPHOR FOR THE GROWTH TAMPA HAS HAD.
11:34:36AM COULD BE A METAPHOR FOR THE CONSUMPTION HABITS WE HAVE AS
11:34:43AM AMERICANS.
11:34:44AM WASN'T FILED IN SERVICE OF FIXING A GROWTH PROBLEM OR FIXING
11:34:47AM CONSUMPTION PROBLEM, BUT IT WAS FILED IN SERVICE OF TRYING
11:34:50AM TO REACT TO THAT RESPONSIBLY BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DO
11:34:54AM RECYCLE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA IN THIS REGION AND WE HAVE AN
11:34:57AM ACUTE LACK OF FACILITIES ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
11:35:00AM I'LL TRY TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE ELEMENTS ROSS HIT ON
11:35:03AM QUICKLY.
11:35:04AM THE AREA IN YELLOW, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS NORTH OF ADAMO
11:35:08AM DRIVE, EAST OF CROSSTOWN CONNECTOR.
11:35:10AM BETWEEN 1910 AND 1915 WAS THE CITY OF GARY.
11:35:15AM WASTE MANAGEMENT OWNS WHAT IS OUTLINED IN YELLOW.
11:35:18AM FOURTH AVENUE PIECE IS CROSSHATCHED.
11:35:20AM ON THE RIGHT YOU'LL SEE A FAIRLY LARGE BUILDING.
11:35:22AM EVERY SINGLE GREEN BOX FOR RECYCLING IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
11:35:25AM GOES THERE.
11:35:26AM WHATEVER HAPPENS TODAY, I HIGHLY COMMEND THE TOUR THEY GIVE
11:35:29AM TO ANYONE BECAUSE IT IS A TOUR THAT STUCK WITH ME WHEN YOU
11:35:32AM SEE HOW IT IS ALL LAID OUT AND THE AMOUNT IT'S ABLE TO
11:35:35AM ACCOMMODATE GIVEN ITS SIZE.
11:35:37AM WHAT WASTE MANAGEMENT WANTS TO DO IS BUILD A STRUCTURE THAT
11:35:40AM WOULD CROSS OVER FOURTH AVENUE ON THE OTHER SIDE TO PROCESS
11:35:44AM WASTE -- RECYCLING FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, OTHER REGIONAL
11:35:47AM GOVERNMENTS.
11:35:48AM IT WOULD BE AVAILABLE POTENTIALLY SHOULD THE CITY EVER NEED
11:35:51AM ADDITIONAL CAPACITY AS WELL.
11:35:53AM I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY I THINK THIS IS A VERY
11:35:56AM UNIQUE, QUOTE, STREET AND SOME LIMITING PRINCIPLES THAT I
11:35:59AM THINK WOULD MAKE IT VERY HARD TO ARGUE THAT FROM SUPPORTING
11:36:02AM THAT.
11:36:03AM YOU HAVE TO CLOSE ALL STREETS IN THE FUTURE.
11:36:04AM THIS WAS NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL 4th AVENUE.
11:36:06AM THIS IS A 30-FOOT RAIL SPUR THAT HAS SINCE BEEN ABANDONED.
11:36:10AM 60 YEARS LATER, THE CITY ADDED A 20-FOOT STRIP TO TURN IT
11:36:14AM INTO A STREET.
11:36:15AM IT IS PART OF 4th AVENUE.
11:36:16AM THIS PARTICULAR BLOCK BETWEEN 34th AND 35th STREET, AND
11:36:20AM YOU ALL HAVE SEEN PLENTY OF PLATS OF YBOR CITY WHERE
11:36:24AM STANDARD BLOCK.
11:36:26AM THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A VERY UNUSUALLY LARGE LAND MASS,
11:36:30AM ALWAYS.
11:36:31AM THIS PLAT I BELIEVE MIGHT BE BEFORE THE 1900s.
11:36:36AM THIS WAS NEVER AN ORIGINAL PORTION OF 4th AVENUE.
11:36:38AM 4th AVENUE STOPPED HERE ORIGINALLY AND IT WAS A RAIL SPUR.
11:36:41AM AGAIN, THE CITY DID ADD LAND TO IT TILL YOU TURN IT INTO A
11:36:46AM ROAD.
11:36:46AM IT'S NOT IN ANY MEANINGFUL USE AT ALL NOW AND IMPEDES THE
11:36:51AM CONSTRUCTION OF A REALLY IMPORTANT REGIONAL FACILITY.
11:36:54AM ZONING MIGHT BE UNUSUAL FOR ME TO BE HERE ON ROAD VACATING
11:36:57AM IN THE DAYTIME.
11:36:58AM THAT'S BECAUSE THERE IS NO PD ZONING.
11:37:00AM IMAGINE THAT.
11:37:01AM THIS IS AN INDUSTRIAL USE IN THE ABSOLUTE SEA OF INDUSTRIAL
11:37:06AM ZONING IN CITY OF TAMPA, NO REZONING REQUIRED.
11:37:09AM THE LAND USE IN THIS ENTIRE AREA, IT'S REALLY ALL
11:37:14AM INDUSTRIAL.
11:37:15AM CURRENT USE OF THE SITE IS KIND OF LIKE A DUMPSTER
11:37:18AM GRAVEYARD.
11:37:20AM MORE RECYCLING BINS AND DUMPSTERS.
11:37:24AM THAT IS THE LAND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE LAND WASTE
11:37:27AM MANAGEMENT INTENDS TO BUILD A FACILITY THAT MIKE WILL TALK
11:37:30AM ABOUT SHORTLY.
11:37:30AM MIKE WILL TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE MORE.
11:37:33AM I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THIS.
11:37:35AM THIS ISN'T PLAN A OR PLAN B.
11:37:37AM STANTEC AND MIKE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THIS.
11:37:41AM THE GOAL WAS TO BUILD A FACILITY WITHIN THE EXISTING
11:37:43AM FOOTPRINT OF THE LAND AREA.
11:37:44AM IF YOU GO TO THE SITE THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE, THIS IS LIKE
11:37:48AM AN ASSEMBLY LINE.
11:37:49AM THERE IS A LINEARNESS TO THIS PROCESS WHERE MATERIAL GETS
11:37:53AM DUMPED.
11:37:54AM IT GOES UP.
11:37:55AM CAN'T GO UP TOO STEEP A SLOPE.
11:37:58AM GENTLE SLOPE.
11:37:59AM SORTING AND GOES BACK DOWN.
11:38:01AM THERE IS AN INHERENT LENGTH TO THIS PROCESS AND TO TAKE BEST
11:38:06AM ADVANTAGE OF THE EFFICIENCIES IN MACHINERY THAT EXISTS TODAY
11:38:09AM TO BE ABLE TO PASS THE SAVINGS ON TO THE END GOVERNMENTS AND
11:38:12AM DOWN TO THE END USERS, THIS IS THE FACILITY THAT BEST
11:38:15AM CAPTURES THOSE EFFICIENCIES.
11:38:17AM IT DOES REQUIRE CROSSING OVER 4th AVENUE AND ON TO THE
11:38:21AM PARCEL THAT THEY OWN BELOW.
11:38:22AM REASONABLE QUESTION TO ALWAYS ASK, WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS
11:38:26AM DOESN'T HAPPEN?
11:38:27AM WHAT IF THIS GREAT RECYCLING FACILITY DOESN'T HAPPEN?
11:38:29AM WE TALKED ABOUT THE REVERTER IN FIVE YEARS.
11:38:32AM MORE IMPORTANTLY WITHIN A YEAR THESE GUYS HAVE TO MOVE VERY,
11:38:35AM VERY QUICKLY TO ACCOMMODATE WATER RELOCATIONS.
11:38:39AM THAT IS THE QUICKEST DEADLINE I'VE SEEN ON THESE SPECIAL
11:38:42AM CONDITIONS.
11:38:42AM TYPICALLY YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF YEARS.
11:38:45AM SHORT AS 18 MONTHS.
11:38:46AM A YEAR IS EXCEPTIONAL FAST.
11:38:48AM THEY ARE OKAY WITH THAT BECAUSE THIS PROJECT HAS A GREAT
11:38:51AM DEAL OF URGENCY BEHIND IT.
11:38:54AM AS SOON AS WE ARE ABLE TO HOPEFULLY GET YOUR APPROVAL ON
11:38:57AM THIS, THEY ARE GOING TO BE PICKING UP WORK RIGHT AWAY.
11:39:01AM MIKE WALKED THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
11:39:03AM EVERY ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER SUPPORTS THIS.
11:39:05AM THEY HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THIS.
11:39:07AM THEY DON'T USE THIS PORTION OF 4th AVENUE AT ALL.
11:39:09AM I THINK THE NEXT SLIDE EVIDENCED THAT.
11:39:12AM THIS IS THE MOST PRISTINE BRICK STREET THAT I'VE PROBABLY
11:39:16AM SEEN.
11:39:17AM THE FACT THAT THIS IS IN SUCH AN INDUSTRIAL AREA WHERE THE
11:39:20AM PREDOMINANT MODE OF TRANSPORTATION IS A VERY HEAVY TRUCK,
11:39:24AM LADEN WITH MATERIALS AND THE BRICKS LOOK LIKE THIS, SPEAKS
11:39:27AM TO HOW LITTLE IT IS USED.
11:39:29AM WE CERTAINLY ARE AWARE THE BRICKS AREN'T OURS.
11:39:32AM WASTE MANAGEMENT WILL HAVE TO PICK THEM UP, PALLETIZE THEM.
11:39:35AM A COMMENT ABOUT SOMETIMES THE BRICKS CAN'T BE USED.
11:39:38AM I AM NOT A BRICK EXTRACTION EXPERT, BUT THESE BRICKS ARE IN
11:39:43AM EXCELLENT SHAPE.
11:39:44AM I THINK KNOWING WHAT THE CITY'S NEEDS ARE FOR BRICKS AROUND
11:39:47AM THE CITY, I THINK THAT IS A VERY MUCH SECONDARY BENEFIT.
11:39:52AM CERTAINLY NOT THE REASON FILING THIS IS TO FREE THE BRICKS,
11:39:55AM BUT I THINK WHAT IS GOING ON 7th AVENUE THAT IS AN
11:39:57AM ADDITIONAL BENEFIT THAT THE CITY SHOULD CONSIDER.
11:40:00AM WITH THAT, I'LL ASK MIKE TO TALK MORE ABOUT WASTE MANAGEMENT
11:40:03AM AND THE GOALS FOR THEIR SITE.
11:40:06AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:40:08AM MIKE DECLERCQ.
11:40:09AM I'M THE RECYCLING OPERATIONS DIRECTOR FOR WM FOR THE STATE
11:40:12AM OF FLORIDA.
11:40:13AM I AM A HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY RESIDENT.
11:40:15AM SO WITH THAT, I WILL SHOW THIS FIRST SLIDE.
11:40:20AM THERE IS A LOT OF SMALL PRINT THERE.
11:40:22AM WHAT I WILL HIGHLIGHT AND CERTAINLY WON'T READ THE WHOLE
11:40:25AM SLIDE, AS A COMPANY, WE'RE INVESTING OVER A BILLION DOLLARS
11:40:29AM OVER A FOUR-YEAR SPAN INTO RECYCLING INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND
11:40:32AM THE COUNTRY.
11:40:34AM WITH OVER 200 MILLION OF THAT HAPPENING IN FLORIDA ALONE.
11:40:39AM WE'RE MOVING TO THINGS LIKE OPTICAL SORTERS, ROBOTICS,
11:40:43AM INTELLIGENT SORTING, A.I., AS WITH EVERY INDUSTRY, THERE'S
11:40:47AM BEEN TREMENDOUS ADVANCES WITHIN THE LAST FIVE YEARS ON
11:40:51AM TECHNOLOGY, AND WE WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT TO MOVE
11:40:55AM OUR FACILITIES INTO THE 21st CENTURY AND BUILD SOMETHING
11:40:58AM THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR NOT ONLY TODAY BUT FOR 5, 10, 20
11:41:02AM YEARS FROM NOW.
11:41:03AM THE NEXT SLIDE KIND OF SPEAKS MORE TO THE INVESTMENT IN
11:41:10AM FLORIDA.
11:41:11AM WE'RE JUST THIS WEEK COMPLETING A PROJECT, MODERNIZATION
11:41:14AM PROJECT IN COCOA AT A MID SIZE RECYCLING CENTER WE HAVE
11:41:17AM THERE.
11:41:18AM $18 MILLION PROJECT TO MODERNIZE THAT PLANT.
11:41:21AM WE JUST THIS MONTH BROKE GROUND ON A BRAND-NEW FACILITY DOWN
11:41:25AM IN BROWARD COUNTY IN PEMBROKE PINES.
11:41:29AM THAT'S GOING TO BE ROUGHLY AN $80 MILLION PROJECT ON
11:41:32AM PROPERTY WE OWN DOWN THERE.
11:41:34AM THAT WILL OPEN EITHER DECEMBER 2025 OR JANUARY 2026 IN THAT
11:41:39AM RANGE.
11:41:39AM THIS PROJECT WOULD BE FINISHED PROBABLY IN MID 2027.
11:41:45AM AND THE INVESTMENT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA ON OUR PROPERTY IN
11:41:48AM EASTERN YBOR WOULD BE AROUND $80 MILLION AS WELL.
11:41:53AM WHEN YOU LOOK, THIS SHOT HAS BEEN ON A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT
11:41:57AM SLIDES, BUT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT GETS ASKED IS WHAT ARE
11:42:00AM YOU GOING TO DO WITH YOUR CURRENT FACILITY IF YOU BUILD A
11:42:02AM NEW ONE RIGHT NEXT DOOR?
11:42:04AM WELL, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS WE CAN DO AND WE WOULD
11:42:07AM ENGAGE THE SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY OF TAMPA TO
11:42:10AM COME UP WITH THE BEST USE OF THAT.
11:42:12AM SOME IDEAS OUT THERE ARE RECYCLING CENTER FOR CONSTRUCTION
11:42:16AM DEMOLITION MATERIALS WHERE METALS AND AGGREGATE COULD BE
11:42:20AM EXTRACTED WHEN WE TEAR DOWN BUILDINGS.
11:42:22AM THAT OFTEN GOES TO THE LAND FILL IN TODAY'S WORLD, AND THAT
11:42:26AM IS ONE IDEA.
11:42:28AM THE CITY MAY ALSO HAVE A USE FOR A TRANSFER STATION.
11:42:32AM RIGHT NOW, THE CURRENT USE OF OUR PROPERTY WHERE WE WANT TO
11:42:35AM BUILD IS CONTAINER REPAIR AND STORAGE.
11:42:38AM AND WE COULD MOVE THAT OPERATION IN THAT BUILDING AS WELL.
11:42:43AM KIND OF AN OPEN-ENDED THING.
11:42:44AM THIS FACILITY WILL ALLOW US TO BASICALLY PRODUCE TWICE AS
11:42:47AM FAST AS WE ARE TODAY WITH NOW BECOMING ANTIQUATED EQUIPMENT.
11:42:52AM WE OPENED THE RECYCLING TAMPA BAY SITE ALMOST 13 YEARS AGO,
11:42:57AM AND NOW THE EQUIPMENT IS BECOMING OUTDATED AND WE WANT TO
11:43:01AM MODERNIZE IT.
11:43:01AM THIS NEXT SLIDE SHOWS THE VERY RAPID GROWTH IN WHAT THE CITY
11:43:07AM OF TAMPA'S SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT ALL BY THEMSELVES HAS SENT
11:43:10AM US.
11:43:11AM EACH ONE OF THESE DATA POINTS IS A SIX-MONTH SNAPSHOT.
11:43:15AM WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE ARE THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
11:43:18AM THOSE ARE TONS THAT WERE DELIVERED TO OUR FACILITY BY THE
11:43:22AM CITY OF TAMPA.
11:43:22AM SO YOU COULD SEE IT -- RECENT SIX-MONTH PERIOD OF JANUARY
11:43:28AM THROUGH JUNE OF THIS YEAR, WE ACTUALLY ECLIPSED THE
11:43:31AM 10,000-TON PLATEAU FOR THE FIRST TIME.
11:43:34AM AND THAT'S A GOOD THING BECAUSE THAT MEANS MORE PEOPLE ARE
11:43:37AM RECYCLING AND THE VOLUME IS GOING UP.
11:43:39AM BUT ACROSS ALL OF FLORIDA, THE RECYCLING INFRASTRUCTURE HAS
11:43:44AM NOT KEPT UP WITH THE RAPID POPULATION INCREASE.
11:43:48AM SO WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM BY GETTING AHEAD OF
11:43:51AM IT.
11:43:52AM WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S AVAILABLE TODAY, WE HAVE OUR CURRENT
11:43:56AM FACILITY IN EASTERN YBOR.
11:43:58AM THERE IS A COMPETITOR FACILITY OVER IN ST. PETERSBURG.
11:44:01AM BUT WE'RE BOTH PRETTY WELL CAPPED OUT ON OUR VOLUME.
11:44:05AM WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND THE CITY OF
11:44:09AM TAMPA ARE GOING TO BE THREE YEARS FROM NOW, THE PROJECTION
11:44:13AM IS ABOUT 91,000 TONS.
11:44:15AM AND THEN YOU HAVE OTHER VOLUME IN THE AREA OF PINELLAS
11:44:19AM COUNTY AND MANATEE COUNTY AND PASCO COUNTY THAT WHEN YOU
11:44:22AM TOTAL IT ALL UP, IT'S CLOSE TO 200,000 TONS OF AVAILABLE
11:44:28AM CAPACITY THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE TODAY.
11:44:30AM SO WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD A FACILITY THAT WILL SERVE THE
11:44:34AM TAMPA BAY REGION AND THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR YEARS TO COME.
11:44:37AM THIS HAS BEEN SHOWN SEVERAL SLIDES.
11:44:41AM WHAT I WANT TO FOCUS ON HERE IS THAT THIS SHORT STRETCH OF
11:44:45AM 4th AVENUE IS VERY LIGHTLY TRAVELED.
11:44:48AM I KNOW IT BECAUSE I WALK IT MY LUNCH HOUR WHEN I'M AT THE
11:44:52AM TAMPA PLANT.
11:44:53AM THE ONLY ONES WHO REALLY USE IT ARE TRUCKS COMING INTO OUR
11:44:57AM FACILITY, AND THEY STILL HAVE EASY ACCESS VIA 3rd AVENUE
11:45:01AM AT THE SOUTH OR FROM 7th AVENUE TO THE NORTH OF THE
11:45:05AM RAILROAD TRACKS.
11:45:06AM THEY CAN STILL GET INTO OUR FACILITY WITHOUT ANY ISSUE.
11:45:10AM AND WE WANT TO KEEP THE CAR TRAFFIC IN OUR FUTURE FACILITY
11:45:14AM SEPARATE FROM THE TRUCK TRAFFIC FOR SAFETY REASONS, WHICH IS
11:45:18AM WHY WE HAVE IT ON THAT SOUTHERN PARCEL WITH AN ENTRANCE, A
11:45:21AM VERY SHORT STRETCH OF 35th STREET THAT STILL EXISTS AND
11:45:26AM THE CARS WOULD ENTER THERE FOR TOURS FOR OUR EMPLOYEES,
11:45:30AM ET CETERA.
11:45:30AM I DID GO DOOR TO DOOR TO ALL THE NEIGHBORS.
11:45:35AM VERY INDUSTRIAL AREA.
11:45:36AM I MADE TWO SWINGS THROUGH.
11:45:38AM I FIRST VISITED IN PERSON AND DESCRIBED WHAT WE WANTED TO DO
11:45:42AM AND EXPLAIN TO THEM THAT THIS PROCESS WOULD BE NECESSARY.
11:45:47AM I THEN FOLLOWED UP SIX WEEKS LATER WITH ASKING THEM, ARE YOU
11:45:51AM WILLING TO SIGN THAT YOU'RE IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT?
11:45:53AM AND EVERY ONE OF THEM SIGNED ON TO IT.
11:45:57AM THERE WAS ONE VERBAL FROM A PROPERTY OWNER WHO IS
11:46:00AM PARAPLEGIC.
11:46:01AM I OFFERED TO GO TO HIS HOUSE TO SIGN.
11:46:04AM HE DECLINED THAT, BUT HE DID SAY HE VERBALLY SUPPORTED IT.
11:46:08AM I RUN IT PAST HIS REAL ESTATE ATTORNEY.
11:46:12AM WE DO HAVE NEIGHBOR SUPPORT FOR IT.
11:46:13AM THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES ARE A COUPLE OF ARCHITECTURAL
11:46:18AM RENDERINGS OF WHAT WE WANT TO BUILD.
11:46:20AM IT'S GOING TO BE AN ATTRACTIVE BUILDING.
11:46:23AM IT WILL MEET ALL THE CITY'S EXPECTATIONS IN TERMS OF
11:46:26AM AESTHETICS.
11:46:27AM I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WOULD BE VERY PROUD OF
11:46:30AM FOR MANY YEARS TO COME.
11:46:33AM AND THE FINAL SLIDE THAT I HAVE, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT IN
11:46:38AM ORDER TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC, INCLUDING SCHOOL GROUPS, CIVIC
11:46:42AM GROUPS, ELECTED OFFICIALS, STAFF ON WHAT WE DO WITH THE
11:46:46AM PLANS.
11:46:46AM WE'RE VERY TRANSPARENT ABOUT THE PROCESS.
11:46:49AM WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HOST TOURS UPON REQUEST.
11:46:53AM IT WILL BE VERY INTERACTIVE VERSUS THE CURRENT BUILDING
11:46:58AM WHICH HAS A SMALL EDUCATIONAL ROOM.
11:47:00AM THIS ONE WILL BE VERY INTERACTIVE.
11:47:03AM WE'LL HAVE A TRAVELING ROAD SHOW THAT DIGITALLY SHOWS OUR
11:47:07AM PLANT TO SCHOOLS AS WELL AS HAVING SCHOOL GROUPS COME IN
11:47:10AM WITH AN ELEVATED PLATFORM THAT PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY GO OUT
11:47:15AM INTO THE PLANT IN A SAFE AREA AND OBSERVE THE WHOLE PROCESS
11:47:18AM AT WORK.
11:47:19AM THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND THE REASON WE NEED FOR THE
11:47:22AM VACATION.
11:47:23AM THE FINAL SLIDE IS SOME RECOGNITION THAT WE RECEIVED AS A
11:47:27AM COMPANY WITH HIGH ETHICS STANDARDS, HIGH DIVERSITY
11:47:30AM STANDARDS, AND THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING BUSINESS WITH THE CITY
11:47:35AM OF TAMPA FOR A LONG TIME.
11:47:38AM WE WANT TO FOSTER THAT RELATIONSHIP AND CARRY IT INTO THE
11:47:41AM NEXT PHASE.
11:47:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
11:47:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SINCE WE HAVE THIS WHOLE PRESENTATION, I'M
11:47:49AM GOING TO GO AHEAD AND JUST ASK.
11:47:51AM THE PUBLIC IS CONCERNED WITH LESS ITEMS BEING ABLE TO BE
11:47:59AM RECYCLED.
11:48:02AM CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT THIS PLANT WILL DO FOR THAT?
11:48:07AM >> YEAH, I'M REALLY GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
11:48:09AM IN THE PAST, ONE OF THE MOST PROBLEMATIC THINGS WE HAVE IS
11:48:15AM FILM, WHICH WOULD BE LIKE YOUR BREAD WRAPPER, THAT SORT OF
11:48:19AM FILM.
11:48:19AM IT'S LONG BEEN THE BANE OF RECYCLING PROGRAMS BECAUSE IT
11:48:23AM JAMS UP THE EQUIPMENT.
11:48:24AM WE ENGINEERED OUR WAY AROUND THAT.
11:48:25AM THIS PLANT, WE'RE PILOTING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH DOW CHEMICAL,
11:48:32AM FILM EXTRACTION AND MARKETING THAT FILM AS A SEPARATE ITEM,
11:48:35AM WHICH IS REALLY EXCITING, AND THIS PLANT WILL HAVE THAT FROM
11:48:38AM DAY ONE.
11:48:39AM POLYPROPYLENE IS SOMETHING LIKE A BUTTER DISH, THAT IS
11:48:45AM SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN PROBLEMATIC IN THE PAST.
11:48:47AM WE ARE RECYCLING IT IN TAMPA NOW, BUT IT IS A PRETTY MANUAL
11:48:52AM PROCESS AND THE QUALITY SOMETIMES IS A BIT QUESTIONABLE.
11:48:55AM BUT WITH THESE OPTICAL SCANNERS AVAILABLE NOW, THEY CAN SORT
11:48:59AM UP TO TEN ITEMS A SECOND WITH GREAT ACCURACY SO THAT THE
11:49:04AM TECHNOLOGY WASN'T THERE WHEN WE BUILT THIS FACILITY 13 YEARS
11:49:07AM AGO.
11:49:07AM THE LIST OF ITEMS IS EXPANDING.
11:49:12AM THERE IS ANOTHER THING THAT'S CALLED THERMA FORMS.
11:49:17AM IT'S IN THE BEGINNING STAGES OF AN ITEM OF A P.E.T. BOTTLE
11:49:21AM LIKE YOUR WATER BOTTLE.
11:49:23AM IT'S NOT QUITE THE SAME MATERIAL, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL
11:49:27AM HAVE IN THIS PLANT TOO, THE ABILITY TO EXPAND OUR LIST.
11:49:30AM IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US AND I KNOW IT IS WITH THE
11:49:33AM RESIDENTS AS WELL.
11:49:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
11:49:35AM I'LL ASK BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THOSE ARE TECHNICAL TERMS.
11:49:38AM BY BREAD BAG, YOU MEAN SIMILAR TO THE LIKE A PLASTIC GROCERY
11:49:43AM BAG?
11:49:44AM >> YEAH.
11:49:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S THE STORY WE HEAR CONSTANTLY IS THE
11:49:47AM PLASTIC GROCERY BAG.
11:49:49AM >> THAT IS AN ITEM IN THE PAST WE WOULD TELL PEOPLE, TAKE IT
11:49:52AM TO A PUBLIX OR DROP-OFF SITE.
11:49:54AM IT CAN BE RECYCLED, JUST NOT IN YOUR CURBSIDE PROGRAM.
11:49:57AM WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT PART OF THE CURBSIDE PROGRAM.
11:50:01AM IT GETS IN THERE ANYWAY.
11:50:03AM RIGHT NOW OUR FOCUS IS EXTRACTING THOSE AND BAILING.
11:50:07AM WE HAVE A DEDICATED BAILER JUST FOR THAT ITEM.
11:50:10AM THAT BASICALLY VACUUMS IT OUT OF THE SYSTEM BECAUSE IT IS
11:50:14AM VERY LIGHT.
11:50:15AM THE WRAPPING THAT GOES AROUND A CASE OF WATER, THAT KIND OF
11:50:18AM FILM, ALL OF THAT WOULD BE PART OF OUR FILM PROCESSING.
11:50:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
11:50:24AM I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I ASKED THAT.
11:50:26AM EVEN THOUGH THIS IS NOT A HEARING ON THAT, SINCE YOU BROUGHT
11:50:28AM IT UP, I THOUGHT THIS IS A GREAT TIME TO ASK.
11:50:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:50:34AM ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
11:50:35AM NO.
11:50:36AM MR. HUDSON, DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION.
11:50:38AM >> CONCLUDES PRESENTATION.
11:50:39AM TALK A LITTLE BIT IN REBUTTAL.
11:50:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:50:42AM ANYBODY HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
11:50:43AM YES, MA'AM.
11:50:44AM COME ON UP.
11:50:54AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:50:54AM STEPHANIE POYNOR.
11:50:56AM THIS IS LIKE A WORKSHOP DAY.
11:50:58AM I'M SO EXCITED.
11:50:59AM I SUPPORT THIS.
11:51:01AM LET ME TELL YOU WHY BECAUSE IT DOESN'T COST THE CITY A PENNY
11:51:04AM FOR THEM TO EXPAND IT.
11:51:06AM IT MAKES SENSE.
11:51:08AM WE NEED TO HAVE MORE RECYCLING, NOT LESS.
11:51:10AM IT'S GOING TO TAKE THE BURDEN OFF THE WASTE TO ENERGY PLANT.
11:51:15AM IF WE HAVE TO GIVE UP A STREET AND THEY ARE SAYING THEY'LL
11:51:18AM GIVE US THE BRICKS, WELL, WE NEED THE BRICKS ELSEWHERE, SO
11:51:21AM WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THEM.
11:51:23AM NOT ONLY WILL THIS VACATION LIKE NOT COST US ANY MONEY AS
11:51:27AM CITIZENS OF TAMPA, BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT GOING TO HAVE TO
11:51:31AM PAY FOR ADDITIONAL BRICKS SOMEPLACE ELSE.
11:51:33AM OH, MY GOSH, THIS IS JUST CRAZY.
11:51:36AM I SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
11:51:37AM THANK YOU.
11:51:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST GOT TO ASK A QUESTION.
11:51:42AM I'M NOT AGAINST SAVING THE BRICKS.
11:51:44AM IN FACT, I WAS ON THE ORIGINAL COUNCIL THAT SAVED THE
11:51:47AM BRICKS.
11:51:47AM WHAT I'M ASKING, THESE BRICKS ARE SHOWING, REFERENCE MADE TO
11:51:50AM THE YBOR CITY BRICKS.
11:51:51AM I DON'T BELIEVE THEY ARE THE SAME QUALITY AS YBOR CITY
11:51:53AM BRICKS.
11:51:54AM AM I CORRECT OR NOT?
11:51:57AM >> I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
11:52:00AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WEIGHT AND VOLUME, WEIGHT OF THE BRICK.
11:52:02AM THE ONES IN YBOR CITY ALL HAVE A NAME ON TOP OF THE BRICK.
11:52:05AM I SAW NO NAMES ON ANY OF THESE BRICKS.
11:52:08AM >> THESE DON'T HAVE THE STAMPS ON THEM.
11:52:12AM I'M NOT SURE --
11:52:13AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOTHING TO DO WITH THE HEARING.
11:52:16AM JUST HEARING ABOUT THE BRICKS AND VARIATION OF BRICKS.
11:52:20AM YBOR CITY WAS MENTIONED.
11:52:21AM I'M SAYING I DON'T BELIEVE THEY ARE, BUT I'M NOT POSITIVE.
11:52:24AM >> I CAN TELL YOU FROM MY LUNCHTIME WALKS THAT A LOT OF THEM
11:52:27AM DO HAVE A STAMP ON THEM.
11:52:29AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SOME OF THEM HAVE STAMPS.
11:52:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MIX OF AUGUSTA BLOCK AND ALL THE OTHERS.
11:52:33AM THEY ARE VERY PRISTINE.
11:52:35AM ANYBODY ELSE?
11:52:35AM ANY REBUTTAL?
11:52:38AM >> TYLER HUDSON, FOR THE RECORD.
11:52:40AM BRIEFLY, COUNCIL, I KNOW YOU HAVE LIVES OUTSIDE OF BEING
11:52:44AM HERE AND YOU PROBABLY GET ASKED, HOME DEPOT, FOR EXAMPLE, I
11:52:48AM HEARD YOU VOTED ON THIS OR VOTED ON THAT.
11:52:51AM VERY IMPORTANT TO ME, ALEX, LAW FIRM, WE ARGUE WITH THE MOST
11:52:55AM FACTS POSSIBLE AND TRY TO MAKE DECISIONS IN FAVOR OF THE
11:52:58AM APPLICATIONS WE BRING YOU.
11:53:00AM AS EASY AS POSSIBLE TO SUPPORT.
11:53:01AM IN CONCLUSION, TO THE EXTENT THAT SOMEONE ASKS, WELL, START
11:53:07AM CLOSING ROADS LEFT AND RIGHT, THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST
11:53:10AM UNIQUE RIGHT-OF-WAY VACATING I BROUGHT BEFORE THE COUNCIL.
11:53:13AM I WANT TO LEAVE YOU WITH A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT REALLY
11:53:15AM EITHER OF THEM INDIVIDUALLY BUT IN THE AGGREGATE I THINK
11:53:18AM MAKE IT VERY EASY TO VOTE YES IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
11:53:21AM FIRST, THIS WAS NOT ORIGINALLY A STREET.
11:53:23AM THIS WAS NOT ORIGINALLY 4th AVENUE AT ALL.
11:53:25AM IT WAS A 30-FOOT RAIL SPUR THAT'S BEEN ABANDONED.
11:53:28AM NO STAFF OBJECTION, NO PUBLIC OPPOSITION.
11:53:31AM ALL NEIGHBORS SUPPORT.
11:53:32AM I THINK -- THIS IS MORE OF A PUBLIC FACILITY THAN PERHAPS
11:53:35AM SOMETHING THAT IS ONLY SELLING SOMETHING OR AN APARTMENT
11:53:39AM BUILDING.
11:53:40AM I THINK THE UNUSUALLY STRONG SAFEGUARDS HERE IS WHAT IS
11:53:44AM UNUSUAL.
11:53:45AM THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY GETS TAKEN AWAY AND TERMS INTO AN
11:53:47AM APARTMENT IN TWO YEARS.
11:53:49AM THEY HAVE TO START WORKING ON THIS IMMEDIATELY.
11:53:51AM IT'S VERY HARD TO MOVE QUICKLY IN AN ENVIRONMENT LIKE THIS.
11:53:54AM THE FACT THEY HAVE TO GET THE STUFF DONE IN A YEAR, THE
11:53:57AM WATER RELOCATION, I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT.
11:53:59AM FINALLY, WE HAVE A FORTUNE 200 COMPANY KNOCKING ON THE DOOR
11:54:03AM TO MAKE A REALLY SIGNIFICANT ON THIS NINE FIGURE CAPITAL
11:54:06AM INVESTMENT IN YOUR CITY.
11:54:08AM SOMETHING WE SHOULD REALLY WELCOME AND NECESSARY TO DO THAT.
11:54:11AM I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR PATIENCE.
11:54:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
11:54:15AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
11:54:17AM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:54:18AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:54:19AM AYE.
11:54:20AM I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE I LEFT OFF.
11:54:21AM WHO WISHES TO READ THIS?
11:54:23AM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
11:54:24AM >>BILL CARLSON: MOVE ITEM 82, FILE VAC-24-13, ORDINANCE
11:54:31AM BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
11:54:33AM AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING,
11:54:36AM CLOSING, DISCONTINUING AND ABANDONING A PORTION OF 4th
11:54:39AM AVENUE RIGHT-OF-WAY LOCATED NORTH OF 3rd AVENUE, SOUTH OF
11:54:42AM THE CSX RAILROAD, EAST OF 34th STREET AND WEST OF 35th
11:54:47AM STREET, WITHIN THE PLAT OF EAST BAY PARK SECOND REVISION, A
11:54:51AM SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY,
11:54:54AM FLORIDA, AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 HEREOF, AND
11:54:58AM APPROVING A REQUEST TO IMPACT CERTAIN VITRIFIED BRICK
11:55:01AM STREETS LYING WITHIN SAID RIGHT-OF-WAY, BOTH SUBJECT TO
11:55:05AM CERTAIN COVENANTS, CONDITIONS, AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE
11:55:08AM PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND
11:55:11AM PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS, PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS,
11:55:14AM INTERPRETATIONS, AND REPEALING CONFLICTS; PROVIDING FOR
11:55:17AM SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:55:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
11:55:21AM SECOND.
11:55:22AM ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:55:25AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:55:26AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
11:55:28AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:55:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
11:55:32AM >> CLENDENIN ABSENT.
11:55:33AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
11:55:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:55:36AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA VOTING NO AND
11:55:38AM CLENDENIN BEING ABSENT.
11:55:40AM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON SEPTEMBER 19,
11:55:44AM 2024, AT 10:00 A.M. IN OLD CITY HALL, CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS,
11:55:48AM 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA,
11:55:51AM 33602.
11:55:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BEFORE WE GO TO LUNCH, I'D LIKE TO
11:55:55AM ANNOUNCE THAT ITEMS 3 AND 38 ARE GOING TO BE HELD FOR A TIME
11:55:59AM CERTAIN AT 4:00, BECAUSE WE HAVE A 1:30 PUBLIC HEARING.
11:56:02AM WE ALSO HAVE 77 AND 78 THAT WE NEED TO -- WE MIGHT AS WELL
11:56:08AM TAKE THOSE UP AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, AT 4:00, AFTER THESE
11:56:13AM ITEMS.
11:56:13AM HAVING SAID THAT, WE ARE IN RECESS UNTIL 1:30.
11:56:17AM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
11:56:18AM [LUNCH RECESS]
01:34:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD AFTERNOON, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL
01:34:22PM THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
01:34:23PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT.
01:34:25PM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
01:34:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
01:34:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
01:34:28PM >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
01:34:30PM WE ARE GOING TO BRING UP BEFORE THE 1:30 P.M. HEARING THE 77,
01:34:34PM 78REAL QUICK THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING EARLIER.
01:34:36PM YES, MA'AM.
01:34:37PM >>McLANE EVANS: GOOD AFTERNOON, McLANE EVANS, ASSISTANT
01:34:42PM CITY ATTORNEY.
01:34:42PM PER THE REQUEST OF COUNCIL, I REVIEWED THE CASE LAW AND
01:34:46PM STATUTE RELATED TO THE QUESTION OF POTENTIALLY CONTINUING
01:34:49PM ITEMS 77 AND 78 ON THE NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENTS AND MY
01:34:55PM RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THE MATTER
01:34:57PM TODAY AND THEN TAKE UP ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUDGETARY
01:35:04PM MATTERS IN THE SUBSEQUENT DAYS LEADING UP TO AND DURING THE
01:35:09PM BUDGET HEARINGS.
01:35:09PM IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON MY RECOMMENDATION, I
01:35:12PM AM HAPPY TO GO INTO FURTHER DETAIL ON THE CASE LAW.
01:35:16PM HOWEVER, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I'M TRYING TO MAKE IT
01:35:19PM SHORT FOR YOU.
01:35:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS FROM
01:35:22PM COUNCILMEMBERS?
01:35:23PM MR. SHELBY?
01:35:24PM NO?
01:35:25PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, SIR.
01:35:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MOVE THE
01:35:28PM RESOLUTION FOR 77?
01:35:30PM >>LUIS VIERA: I WILL MOVE 77.
01:35:32PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECOND.
01:35:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND.
01:35:34PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
01:35:35PM ANY OPPOSED?
01:35:38PM ALL RIGHT.
01:35:38PM ITEM 78.
01:35:39PM MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
01:35:42PM >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
01:35:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
01:35:45PM IS THERE A SECOND?
01:35:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU NEED TO ADOPT BOTH RESOLUTIONS AND
01:35:53PM CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
01:35:54PM >>LUIS VIERA: I MOTION BEFORE -- COUNCILMAN CARLSON JUST
01:35:58PM WALKED IN.
01:35:58PM CLOSING PUBLIC HEARING ON 77 AND 78, DO YOU HAVE ANY
01:36:03PM QUESTIONS?
01:36:04PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE CORRECTION THAT MR. MASSEY IS ASKING
01:36:06PM FOR NUMBER 78 AS ONE ITEM.
01:36:08PM TWO RESOLUTIONS.
01:36:09PM SO BEFORE -- BEFORE YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU MOVE
01:36:12PM THE SECOND RESOLUTION.
01:36:13PM >>LUIS VIERA: OH, I AM SORRY.
01:36:15PM MY BAD.
01:36:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING UNDER STATE LAW.
01:36:20PM ALSO, MR. CHAIR, TECHNICALLY I AM NOT SURE THAT YOU -- THAT
01:36:24PM YOU OPENED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS
01:36:28PM ASSESSMENTS EARLIER THIS MORNING.
01:36:30PM SO COULD WE MAKE SURE WE COVER THAT ALSO BEFORE YOU TAKE A
01:36:34PM VOTE ON 78.
01:36:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ON 78, YOU SAID?
01:36:40PM >> RIGHT.
01:36:40PM SO SERVICE IS 77.
01:36:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM
01:36:47PM NUMBER 78?
01:36:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DON'T CLOSE.
01:36:51PM OKAY.
01:36:52PM WHERE ARE WE NOW?
01:36:55PM THE FIRST RESOLUTION ON 77; IS THAT CORRECT, MR. MASSEY?
01:37:00PM THEY HAVE ADOPTED THE --
01:37:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 77 HAS -- 78 IS --
01:37:07PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ONE RESOLUTION FOR 77.
01:37:08PM CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON 77.
01:37:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
01:37:11PM >> FOR NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENTS CONDUCT THE VOTE WHILE THE
01:37:17PM HEARINGS ARE OPEN.
01:37:17PM WE CAN'T CLOSE THE HEARING UNTIL THE VOTE IS COMPLETED AND
01:37:22PM THE MOTION -- AND THE RESOLUTION IS ADOPTED.
01:37:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE ARE AT 78.
01:37:27PM WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WITH 78.
01:37:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEY ARE SAYING DON'T CLOSE THE PUBLIC
01:37:36PM HEARING ON 77 UNTIL WE DO 78, DID I HEAR THAT CORRECTLY?
01:37:41PM >> NO, SIR.
01:37:41PM I WAS SPEAK FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL ITEM.
01:37:43PM EACH ONE IS A SEPARATE HEARING.
01:37:45PM SO WE STILL HAVE THE HEARING OPEN FOR 77.
01:37:48PM WE VOTED ON IT.
01:37:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MADE A MOTION TO CLOSE.
01:37:52PM >> YOU MAY CLOSE 77.
01:37:53PM BUT 78 MUST STAY OPEN.
01:37:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS FINE.
01:37:56PM YOU ARE CORRECT, MR. VIERA.
01:37:57PM A MOTION TO CLOSE NUMBER 77.
01:37:59PM >>LUIS VIERA: I STUMBLED ON THAT.
01:38:04PM SO DO I -- SO MOVED.
01:38:07PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: AND I SECONDED IT.
01:38:09PM >>BILL CARLSON: 77.
01:38:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE 77 BY
01:38:14PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
01:38:14PM SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
01:38:16PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
01:38:17PM OPPOSED?
01:38:18PM NOW WE ARE ON 78.
01:38:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S CORRECT.
01:38:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THEN IN THE PUBLIC -- WAIT, YES, SIR?
01:38:24PM >>VIK BHIDE: YEAH, ITEM 78 IS FOR THE IMPROVEMENT
01:38:27PM ASSESSMENT.
01:38:28PM I WOULD LIKE TO -- SORRY, VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF THE
01:38:36PM MOBILITY DEPARTMENT RELATED TO THE IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT.
01:38:39PM THIS ASSESSMENT FUNDS OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
01:38:42PM THIS IS WHAT HAS FUNDED HISTORICAL AND CURRENT PROJECTS,
01:38:47PM WHICH ARE IN THE WORKS AS WE SPEAK.
01:38:49PM THIS ASSESSMENT IS ALSO CORRELATED WITH THE QUARTERLY REPORT
01:38:54PM THAT COUNCIL RECEIVES ON DIFFERENT STORMWATER PROJECT
01:38:59PM IMPROVEMENTS.
01:39:00PM AND IT IS TIED TO OUR ACTIVE BOND ISSUANCES AS WELL.
01:39:05PM SO I JUST WANT TO PROVIDE COUNCIL WITH THAT BACK GROUND THAT
01:39:09PM IS WHAT YOU ARE VOTING ON.
01:39:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:39:16PM >>BILL CARLSON: I HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS DURING THE BREAK
01:39:20PM THAT NOTHING GOT RESOLVED IN THE LAST HOUR AND A HALF.
01:39:22PM I AM GOING TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE FOR THIS.
01:39:30PM THE FIRST ONE I MISSED BY ACCIDENT.
01:39:32PM THE SECOND ONE I AM GOING TO VOTE FOR.
01:39:34PM NOT BECAUSE I AM HAPPY WITH IT, BUT BECAUSE -- BECAUSE WE
01:39:37PM CAN'T GO FORWARD WITHOUT IT.
01:39:39PM BUT WE NEED TO HAVE NOT A PRESENTATION NOT FROM YOU BUT
01:39:48PM FROM CFO AND OUR -- OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR TO -- TO GO
01:39:53PM THROUGH THE NUMBERS AND REALLY EVALUATE.
01:39:58PM THE ISSUE IS NOT THE BIG PICTURE WHAT IS BEING WORKED ON,
01:40:02PM PART IS THE BALANCE WHAT IS BEING WORKED ON HOW VERSUS
01:40:06PM STAFF.
01:40:06PM AND THE OTHER THING IS ALL THE MONEY EFFICIENTLY BEING USED.
01:40:10PM I CAN RECOMMEND -- I CAN MAKE THE MOTION UNDER NEW BUSINESS,
01:40:13PM WE NEED SOME KIND OF ACCOUNTING, ANALYSIS OR PRESENTATION OF
01:40:16PM THAT BEFORE THE BUDGET OR AT LEAST SHORTLY AFTER, SO WE CAN
01:40:20PM SHOW THE PUBLIC WE ARE BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR MONEY.
01:40:24PM OBVIOUSLY, WE NEED STORMWATER HELP BECAUSE OF THE PROBLEMS
01:40:27PM WE ARE HAVING.
01:40:28PM BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE SPENDING THE MONEY DIRECTLY
01:40:32PM AND IF THEY ARE, HATS OFF TO EVERYBODY AND CHANGE LABELS AND
01:40:35PM SOMETHING.
01:40:35PM IF WE ARE NOT, WE NEED TO TWEAK AND MAKE SURE WE ARE FIXING
01:40:42PM A PROBLEM.
01:40:42PM THANK YOU.
01:40:43PM >>VIK BHIDE: I THINK THE STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT WAS COVERED
01:40:48PM AS ENTERPRISE FUND UNDER THE CIT AND WORKSHOP AND WHAT THE
01:40:53PM BOND OCCURRENCES ARE.
01:40:55PM AND ANY ADDITIONAL DETAILS THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE, WE WOULD
01:40:59PM BE HAPPY TO PRESENT.
01:41:00PM >>BILL CARLSON: I AM TALKING ABOUT GOING IN THE NEXT LEVEL
01:41:03PM OF DETAIL.
01:41:04PM PRESENTING BIG PROJECTS IS ONE THING.
01:41:06PM LIKE ON PIPES, TENS OF HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF FEEDBACK AND
01:41:10PM ALL THE FEEDBACK FROM THE CONTRACTOR COMMUNITY WE ARE PAYING
01:41:14PM TOO MUCH.
01:41:16PM SPEND TOO MUCH.
01:41:19PM WE NEED HELP NEXT PLAINING THAT WE ARE SPENDING THIS MONEY
01:41:26PM PRUDENTLY.
01:41:27PM AND TO COME BACK AND SAY WE FOUND SOME WAY TO SHIFT AND --
01:41:31PM THEN GOOD, WE ARE BEING GOOD CUSTODIANS OF THE PUBLIC'S
01:41:35PM MONEY.
01:41:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:41:37PM ANYONE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM?
01:41:39PM YES, MA'AM.
01:41:39PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
01:41:41PM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
01:41:45PM I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MISS CAPASKI TO SAY THESE ARE THE
01:41:50PM NUMBERS.
01:41:52PM THIS IS HOW THEY ADD UP BY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM OF PASSING
01:41:55PM THIS TODAY.
01:41:56PM I WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS.
01:41:57PM THAT IS SUPPLY JOB.
01:41:58PM I DON'T GET PAID TO BE HERE, BUT MY JOB TO ASK QUESTIONS.
01:42:04PM MISS CAPASKI, THEY ASKED ME TO SHOW DOCUMENTS DURING
01:42:12PM LUNCHTIME.
01:42:13PM YOU TOY THIS IS IMPORTANT TO THIS.
01:42:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:42:16PM MOVE THE RESOLUTION FOR 78.
01:42:19PM >>LUIS VIERA: SO MOVED.
01:42:20PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECOND.
01:42:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
01:42:24PM OPPOSED?
01:42:24PM CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING?
01:42:26PM MOTION.
01:42:28PM SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
01:42:30PM OPPOSED?
01:42:32PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:42:32PM >>VIK BHIDE: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
01:42:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE 1:30 PUBLIC HEARING.
01:42:38PM MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN THE 1:30 PUBLIC HEARING.
01:42:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO MOVED.
01:42:44PM >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND.
01:42:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FOR NUMBER 84, REQUEST TO WITHDRAWAL.
01:42:48PM CAN I GET A MOTION.
01:42:49PM >>LUIS VIERA: SO MOVED.
01:42:50PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECOND.
01:42:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
01:42:53PM SECONDED FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
01:42:56PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
01:42:56PM ALL RIGHT, FOR 83, A QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEEDING.
01:43:00PM I DON'T HAVE ANYONE REGISTERED ONLINE, IF YOU ARE GOING TO
01:43:04PM BE SPEAKING ON 83 IN ANY CAPACITY, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE
01:43:07PM YOUR RIGHT HAND, AND WE WILL SWEAR YOU IN.
01:43:09PM EVEN IF BUT SIGNED THE SPEAKER WAIVER FORM AND PASSING IT
01:43:19PM ON.
01:43:19PM [SWEARING IN]
01:43:25PM MR. SHELBY.
01:43:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
01:43:29PM MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
01:43:31PM BEFORE WE BEGIN, A REMINDER THERE ARE SPEAKER WAIVER FORMS.
01:43:36PM THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
01:43:37PM THE COUNCIL'S RULES, YOU CAN SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES OR SIGN
01:43:40PM A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM, AND YOU WAIVE YOUR THREE MINUTES AND
01:43:43PM ALLOW THE SPEAKER TO TAKE AN EXTRA MINUTE FOR YOU TO DO
01:43:46PM THAT.
01:43:46PM REQUIRES YOU TO FILL OUT THE FORM.
01:43:52PM I HOPE YOU DID IT LEGIBLY AND YOU NEED TO BE PRESENT AND
01:43:56PM ACKNOWLEDGE.
01:43:57PM AND I WILL CALL YOUR NAME TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE HERE.
01:44:00PM DON'T SIGN MORE THAN ONE WAIVER SPEAKER FORM.
01:44:03PM I BELIEVE THERE HAVE BEEN EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS AND LIKE
01:44:06PM THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN MADE AVAILABLE TO BE RECEIVED AND FILED
01:44:09PM INTO THE RECORD AT THIS TIME.
01:44:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM
01:44:11PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
01:44:12PM SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
01:44:14PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
01:44:17PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:44:18PM MISS SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ.
01:44:20PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THANK YOU, SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
01:44:23PM DEPARTMENT.
01:44:24PM THIS HEARING IS A REVIEW HEARING FOR A PETITION FOR REVIEW
01:44:28PM FOR VRB 23-70.
01:44:35PM THE PETITIONERS IN THIS CASE ARE STEPHEN STANLEY AND MICHAEL
01:44:39PM FRIDELLA.
01:44:39PM THEY ARE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY
01:44:42PM ON DAVIS BOULEVARD.
01:44:43PM AND THE VRB APPLICANT WAS MR. MICHELINI, WHO IS REPRESENTED
01:44:48PM BY BEN DACHEPALLI.
01:44:52PM THE VARIANCE REQUEST -- FOUR REQUESTS.
01:44:55PM THEY WERE ALL RELATED TO THE SETBACKS FOR THE EXISTING
01:44:58PM BUILDING.
01:44:58PM THE FIRST REQUEST WAS TO REDUCE THE EAST FRONT YARD SETBACK
01:45:02PM FROM 45 FEET TO ONE FOOT.
01:45:03PM THE SECOND WAS TO REDUCE THE WEST FRONT YARD SETBACK FROM 45
01:45:07PM FEET TO ONE FOOT.
01:45:08PM THE THIRD WAS TO REDUCE THE SOUTHWEST SIDE YARD SETBACK FROM
01:45:13PM 27 FEET TO ONE FOOT.
01:45:14PM AND THEN FINALLY, THE FOURTH REQUEST, TO REDUCE SOUTH SIDE
01:45:18PM YARD SETBACK FROM 27 FEET TO ONE FOOT.
01:45:21PM THIS PROPERTY IS IN THE RM-24 ZONING DISTRICT.
01:45:26PM AND THE TYPICAL SETBACKS FOR THAT ZONING DISTRICT FRONT YARD
01:45:29PM OF 25 FEET.
01:45:30PM SIDE YARD OF 7 FEET.
01:45:32PM AND REAR OF 20 FEET.
01:45:34PM BUT FOR EACH FOOT OF BUILDING HEIGHT ABOVE 35 FEET WITHIN
01:45:39PM THIS DISTRICT, THE REQUIRED YARD SETBACK IS INCREASED BY ONE
01:45:42PM FOOT.
01:45:42PM THAT IS WHERE WE HAVE THE 45-FOOT DOWN TO THE ONE FOOT.
01:45:46PM AND THAT IS THE REASON WHY WE HAVE THE NUMBERS FOR THE
01:45:49PM SETBACKS IN THE REQUEST.
01:45:49PM THE VRB HELD A HEARING ON MAY 14, 2024 FOR THIS APPLICATION.
01:45:56PM AND VOTED TO APPROVE THE REQUEST 5-0.
01:45:58PM I PROVIDED CITY COUNCIL WITH HEARING PROCEDURES.
01:46:03PM PROPOSED HEARING PROCEDURES THAT BOTH PARTIES HAVE AGREED TO
01:46:06PM FOR THIS HEARING, PROVIDING IN A PACKET TO COUNCIL.
01:46:09PM I ALSO PROVIDED COUNCIL WITH CODE SECTIONS 27-61-J-2 WHICH
01:46:15PM ARE THE PROCEDURES FOR COUNCIL'S REVIEW OF A BOARD'S
01:46:18PM DECISION.
01:46:18PM AND I PROVIDED THE ENTIRE -- ENTIRETY OF 27-61, BUT J-2
01:46:29PM CRIMINALS STARTS AT PAGE 6 AND THEN 7.
01:46:31PM AND WILL GIVE YOU A RUNDOWN OF THE -- OF THE HEARING
01:46:34PM PROCESS.
01:46:34PM I ALSO PROVIDED COUNCIL WITH CODE SECTION 27-80, WHICH IS
01:46:41PM APPLICATION OF THE VARIANCE POWER.
01:46:43PM FIVE DIFFERENT CRY TERESA THAT THE VRB IS REQUIRED TO
01:46:48PM CONSIDER IN REVIEWING A VARIANCE APPLICATION.
01:46:50PM FINALLY, CHAPTER 27, ARTICLE 7, THE ENTIRE EXCEPTION OF
01:46:56PM NONCONFORMITIES WITHIN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND
01:46:58PM PROVIDED COUNCIL WITH SAMPLE MOTIONS FOR YOUR USE AT THE
01:47:01PM CONCLUSION OF PUBLIC HEARING.
01:47:02PM IF -- I MAY BE ALLOWED TO AFTER YOU HAVE HEARD THE EVIDENCE
01:47:06PM AND I CAN OUTLINE COUNCIL'S DIFFERENT OPTIONS ONCE YOU HEARD
01:47:10PM ALL THE EVIDENCE.
01:47:10PM STANDARD OF REVIEW UNDER SECTION 27-61-J-2 IS DE NOVO.
01:47:17PM THAT MEANS THAT THE BOARD OR COUNCIL IS NOT LIMITED IN ITS
01:47:20PM REVIEW TO INFORMATION, DOCUMENTATION OR EVIDENCE THAT
01:47:24PM THE VRB BASED ITS DETERMINATION ON.
01:47:26PM CITY COUNCIL MUST FOLLOW THE APPLICABLE ORDINANCE.
01:47:29PM IN OTHER WORDS, THE ONES I PROVIDED NEW MAKING A DECISION
01:47:35PM AND COUNCIL MAY HEAR NEW EVIDENCE.
01:47:37PM STAFF PRESENT IS STEVEN EYSTER, THE VRB COORDINATOR
01:47:44PM PROVIDING THE HISTORY OF THE CASE.
01:47:45PM WE HAVE PRESENT, DAVE JENNINGS, THE CITY FLOOD PLAIN MANAGER
01:47:51PM AND DENNIS FERNANDEZ, HISTORIC PRESERVATION MANAGER FOR THE
01:47:55PM CITY.
01:47:55PM THEY ARE AVAILABLE IF COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS IN
01:47:57PM THE COURSE OF THE HEARING.
01:47:58PM AT THIS TIME, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MR. EYSTER AND HE WILL
01:48:04PM PRESENT THE PROCEDURE HISTORY.
01:48:10PM >>STEVEN EYSTER: GOOD AFTERNOON.
01:48:15PM STEVEN EYSTER, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
01:48:19PM SO AS SUSAN STATED, A PETITION FOR REVIEW FOR VRB 23-70, 16
01:48:25PM DAVIS BOULEVARD.
01:48:26PM THIS IS THE OWNERSHIP INFORMATION.
01:48:28PM THE OWNER IS CLP 16 DAVIS LCC.
01:48:32PM APPLICANT IS STEVE MICHELINI.
01:48:34PM PROPERTY ADDRESS 16 DAVIS BOULEVARD.
01:48:37PM ZONING IS RM-24.
01:48:39PM AND THEN THE REQUEST WHAT SUSAN STATED BEFORE TO REDUCE THE
01:48:43PM EAST FRONT SETBACK FROM 45 TO ONE FOOT.
01:48:46PM REDUCE WEST SIDE FRONT YARD SETBACK FROM 45 FEET TO ONE FOOT
01:48:52PM WEST SIDE SETBACK 27 TO ONE FOOT AND SIDE SETBACK FROM 27 TO
01:48:58PM ONE FOOT.
01:48:58PM THIS WAS DETERMINATION MADE BY THE BOARD ON MAY 14.
01:49:09PM AND APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS.
01:49:12PM 5-0.
01:49:13PM THESE WERE THE CONDITIONS OUTLINED TO THE BOARD.
01:49:16PM LIMITED TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, THE STRUCTURE LISTED ON
01:49:20PM THE NATIONAL REGISTRY OF HISTORIC PLACES.
01:49:23PM MULTIPLE PROPERTY REFERENCE NUMBER 64500118.
01:49:28PM IN THE EVENT THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IS DAMAGED OR DESTROYED,
01:49:32PM ANY REPAIRS OR REDEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY WILL BE LIMITED
01:49:35PM BY THE PROVISIONS GOVERNING NONCONFORMING STRUCTURES AND
01:49:40PM USES SET FORTH IN THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND IN
01:49:44PM EFFECT AT THAT TIME.
01:49:44PM IN THE EVENT THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IS DAMAGE OAR DESTROYED
01:49:49PM GOVERNING NONCONFORMING STRUCTURES AND NONCONFORMING USE AS
01:49:54PM SET FORTH IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT THE STATE AGENCY
01:49:59PM APPROVES THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE STRUCTURE TO THE EXACT
01:50:02PM SAME PHYSICAL STANDARDS AS -- AS -- BY THE PLANS ATTACHED,
01:50:08PM THE VARIANCE SHALL TERMINATE AND BE AND VOID AND ANY
01:50:13PM DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT SHOULD COMPLY WITH THE CITY OF
01:50:16PM TAMPA REGULATIONS IN EFFECT AT THAT TIME.
01:50:23PM THIS IS A MAP OF THE SITE.
01:50:25PM A LOT CLEARER WHEN IT IS IN COLOR.
01:50:27PM BUT IT IS THIS TRIANGULAR PROPERTY RIGHT HERE.
01:50:31PM THIS IS THE CURRENT VIEW OF THE SITE.
01:50:39PM YOU CAN SEE A HORSE =SHOE STRUCTURE WITH A COURTYARD IN THE
01:50:43PM CENTER AND LARGE AREA.
01:50:48PM A SIDE PHOTO OF THE SITE.
01:50:53PM HERE IS THE ADDITIONAL FRONT PHOTO TO SHOW THE ADDITIONAL
01:51:02PM STEPS OF THE COURTYARD.
01:51:04PM THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL SIDE VIEW SHOWING THE TWO TREES HERE
01:51:09PM AND HERE.
01:51:09PM AND THEN HERE IS THE LAST SITE THAT YOU HAVE NOT SEEN YET,
01:51:17PM AND THEN AN EMPTY -- AN EMPTY LOT HERE.
01:51:20PM THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE WITH CONDITIONS AND THE LARGE
01:51:37PM COURTYARD WITH THE AGENDA.
01:51:41PM THE ENTIRE BUILDING IS BEING ELEVATED.
01:51:48PM THERE IS A PARKING STRUCTURE UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING.
01:51:51PM SO IS THE COURTYARD AND EVERYTHING IS ELEVATED ON TOP OF
01:51:55PM THAT PARKING STRUCTURE WITH THE ADDITIONAL STEPS HERE.
01:51:58PM YOU CAN SEE THERE IS -- INSTEAD OF JUST THREE OR FOUR STEPS,
01:52:01PM THERE IS NOW ABOUT A DOZEN.
01:52:03PM THIS IS THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION AND SITE CALCULATIONS FOR THE
01:52:19PM SITE.
01:52:19PM GENERAL INFORMATION.
01:52:20PM THIS IS THE GROUND FIRST-FLOOR PLAN SHOWING THE PARKING.
01:52:23PM HERE IS THE -- THE SECOND FLOOR.
01:52:31PM WHICH STAYS IN A SIMILAR CONFIGURATION.
01:52:35PM THIS IS THE THIRD LEVEL.
01:52:38PM YOU CAN SEE THERE IS AN ADDITION TO THE FRONT HERE WHERE I
01:52:45PM BELIEVE THERE IS AN ELEVATOR SHAFT.
01:52:47PM THIS IS THE THIRD THE FOURTH.
01:53:00PM AND THEN FINALLY THE FIFTH.
01:53:10PM HERE IS SIDE-BY-SIDE COMPARISON OF THE SITE.
01:53:14PM THIS IS THE SITE AS IT EXISTS TODAY.
01:53:17PM THIS IS THE SITE AFTER THE PARKING GARAGE IS PUT IN
01:53:23PM UNDERNEATH IT.
01:53:23PM HERE IS KIND OF THE EXPANDED VIEW TO SEE A LITTLE CLEARER.
01:53:36PM AND HERE IS THE PROPOSED ELEVATION.
01:53:42PM SO YOU GUYS CAN SEE IT.
01:53:44PM WE HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMENTS.
01:53:54PM SO ALL PARTIES FOUND THE PROPOSED PROJECT CONSISTENT WITH
01:54:06PM CONDITIONS OR NO CONDITIONS.
01:54:11PM FOUND CONSISTENT.
01:54:13PM AND LET YOU READ THROUGH SOME OF THE COMMENTS BECAUSE SOME
01:54:18PM OF THEM ARE LENGTHY.
01:54:20PM ARC AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
01:54:22PM IF YOU NEED ANY FURTHER INFORMATION, LIKE SUSAN SAID, DENNIS
01:54:27PM IS AVAILABLE.
01:54:28PM APPROVED IT WITH CONDITIONS.
01:54:30PM REQUIREMENTS OF THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE.
01:54:33PM CONSTRUCTION SERVICES, FEMA COMMENT.
01:54:36PM ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO ELEVATE ABOVE IS NOT IN DIRECT BENEFIT
01:54:40PM TO THE CITY OR CSS RATING.
01:54:42PM NATURAL RESOURCES HAD IT CONSISTENT WITH CONDITIONS.
01:54:45PM ANT COMMENT WAS TO ADDRESS THE TREES IN THE CENTER OF THE
01:54:51PM COURTYARD.
01:54:52PM AND AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION, THEY WILL HAVE TO VERIFY
01:54:55PM HOW THEY MITIGATE THE TREES NOW.
01:54:57PM AND RIGHT-OF-WAY IS CONSISTENT WITH CONDITIONS.
01:55:01PM TECO FOUND IT CONSISTENT WITH CONDITIONS.
01:55:03PM AND TRANSPORTATION ALSO FOUND IT CONSISTENT WITH CONDITIONS.
01:55:07PM STORMWATER CONSISTENT.
01:55:09PM WATER AND WASTEWATER BOTH CONSISTENT WITH CONDITIONS.
01:55:15PM HERE IS THE STANDARD FOR THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
01:55:27PM AS YOU GUYS KNOW, THE VARIANCES ARE BASED OFF OF HARDSHIP.
01:55:31PM AND THAT IS THE CRITERIA THAT SUSAN PROVIDED FOR YOU AS
01:55:35PM WELL.
01:55:35PM AND WE WILL BE AVAILABLE NOR ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.
01:55:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
01:55:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
01:55:41PM CAN YOU JUST PUT THAT ELEVATION MAP UP AGAIN, THE ONE THAT
01:55:45PM SHOWS BOTH.
01:55:46PM I DON'T SEE THE DIFFERENCE HERE.
01:56:00PM AND THEY ARE HERE FOR AT THAT SETBACK WAIVERS FROM 45 TO 1.
01:56:09PM >>STEVEN EYSTER: THE BUILDING CURRENTLY EXPANDS -- THE
01:56:14PM APPLICANT MAY BE -- BECAUSE THEY ARE CHANGE WHAT IS EXISTING
01:56:17PM -- BECAUSE IT IS A -- THEY WENT THROUGH A FORMAL DECISION TO
01:56:22PM VEST THE PROPERTY AS IT IS CURRENTLY.
01:56:24PM THEN CHANGING THE BOTTOM BASE HERE, THEY NEED TO ASK FOR THE
01:56:28PM SETBACK REDUCTION.
01:56:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I SEE.
01:56:31PM IT ALREADY IS A VESTED STRUCTURE CURRENTLY, BUT TO BUILD
01:56:36PM SOMETHING UNDER IT, THEY WILL NEED TO GET THE VARIANCE TO
01:56:40PM MATCH THE CURRENT VESTING.
01:56:42PM >>STEVEN EYSTER: CORRECT.
01:56:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE?
01:56:48PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
01:56:49PM DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION?
01:56:51PM THAT CONCLUDES THE STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
01:56:53PM WE WILL GO WITH PRESENTATION OF MR. STEPHEN STANLEY AND
01:56:55PM MICHAEL FRIDELLA.
01:56:56PM AND YOU HAVE BOTH BEEN SWORN IN.
01:56:58PM SO GO AHEAD.
01:57:00PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, SIR.
01:57:01PM >> MY NAME IS STEVEN STANLEY, I AM AN ATTORNEY.
01:57:04PM I LIVE AT --
01:57:06PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: STORY, MR. STANLEY, MARTIN SHELBY.
01:57:09PM JUST A QUESTION.
01:57:10PM BOTH YOU AND MR. FRIDELLA ARE PETITIONERS.
01:57:15PM WILL YOU BE PRESENTING THIS TOGETHER?
01:57:17PM >> I AM PRESENTING FIVE MINUTES, AND MY PLANNER, SUSAN
01:57:21PM SWIFT, WILL DO TEN MINUTES.
01:57:22PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WILL ALSO INCLUDE MR. FRIDELLA'S
01:57:27PM OPPORTUNITY?
01:57:27PM HE IS INCLUDED IN THIS?
01:57:28PM >> YES.
01:57:29PM HE CAN SPEAK AS A RESIDENT NOT AS A PETITIONER.
01:57:32PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS HE A PETITIONER?
01:57:37PM >> HE IS A PETITIONER.
01:57:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS HE WITHIN THE NOTICED AREA?
01:57:43PM >> YES.
01:57:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS HE ALLOWED TO BE PART OF GENERAL
01:57:47PM PUBLIC COMMENT.
01:57:48PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: GENERALLY, IF HE IS A PETITIONER, THE
01:57:50PM ANSWER WOULD BE ULTIMATELY NO, HE WOULDN'T BE.
01:57:54PM UNLESS THERE IS NO OBJECTION AND COUNCIL WISHES TO WAIVE IT.
01:57:59PM YOU ARE SAYING HE WOULD TAKE ANOTHER ADDITIONAL THREE
01:58:02PM MINUTES?
01:58:03PM >> YES.
01:58:04PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE WILL TAKE THAT UP AS THE TIME COMES.
01:58:07PM THEN THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT TO INCLUDE HIM WITHIN YOU
01:58:12PM ARE IN 15 MINUTES OR -- IS HE HERE, MR. FRIDELLA?
01:58:16PM >> I AM.
01:58:16PM >> WE WILL GO AS PLANNED.
01:58:21PM HE IS NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK AS A RESIDENT.
01:58:24PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU CAN -- IF YOU FEEL A NEED FOR EXTRA
01:58:26PM TIME FOR HIM, YOU CAN REQUEST EXTRA TIME.
01:58:28PM BUT THE FACT HE IS A PETITIONER AND HE IS PARTICIPATING AS
01:58:31PM SUCH.
01:58:31PM >> WE WILL SEE ABOUT REQUESTING EXTRA TIME WHEN WE ARE
01:58:35PM FINISHED.
01:58:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY, THANK YOU.
01:58:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
01:58:41PM >> STEPHEN STANLEY, AND I AM AN ATTORNEY DIRECTLY ACROSS THE
01:58:46PM STREET FROM 16 DAVIS BOULEVARD.
01:58:47PM FOUR TOWN HOUSE, NOT THE CONDOMINIUMS ACROSS FROM 16 DAVIS.
01:58:52PM THE CONDOMINIUMS ARE ON THE CORNER.
01:58:55PM TO START THE PRESENTATION, I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK WITH SOME
01:58:58PM PICTURES.
01:58:59PM THESE PICTURES FROM DECEMBER OF 2019.
01:59:03PM THIS SHOWS THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
01:59:04PM AND I WANT YOU TO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT -- THAT WITH THE
01:59:09PM CIRCLE.
01:59:09PM MISS HURTAK BROUGHT UP A POINT.
01:59:14PM IS IT THE SAME FOOTPRINT?
01:59:17PM NO, IT'S NOT.
01:59:18PM FIRST OF ALL, THE -- THE WHOLE CENTER COURTYARD IS GOING
01:59:23PM AWAY.
01:59:24PM IT HAS BECOME A GARAGE, INSTEAD OF A HORSESHOE WITH GROUND,
01:59:29PM DIRT, TREES AND PLANTS, IT IS CONCRETE.
01:59:33PM CAN THEY PUT ARTIFICIAL TURF ON TOP OF IT, MAYBE.
01:59:37PM I DON'T THINK THEY WILL BE ABLE TO PLANT TREES AND GRASS AND
01:59:42PM FOR THE NMBC CIRCULAR BUILDING WHERE THEY TRIED TO PUT THE
01:59:48PM GRASS OVER THE CONCRETE GARAGE THERE AND IT NEVER WORKED.
01:59:51PM IT IS NOT GOING TO PERCOLATE.
01:59:53PM GOING TO BE DIRT OR GROUND.
01:59:55PM IT IS GOING TO BE CONCRETE.
01:59:58PM THE OTHER EXPANSION IS -- AND THE GENTLEMAN SHOWED YOU --
02:00:02PM AND THERE IS PLANS -- THERE ARE -- I HAVE COPIES OF THESE
02:00:13PM FOR COUNCIL IF YOU WOULD LIKE THEM, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF
02:00:16PM THE PICTURE OR THESE DRAWINGS WILL COME OUT AS GOOD.
02:00:20PM IF YOU WOULD LIKE THEM.
02:00:21PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: CAN YOU PUT THEM ON THE OVERHEAD.
02:00:26PM >> YES.
02:00:27PM I CAN DO THAT.
02:00:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY.
02:00:30PM >> SO IF YOU LOOK CAREFULLY -- IT CAME OUT BETTER THAN I
02:00:38PM THOUGHT.
02:00:39PM IF YOU LOOK CAREFULLY, THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS EXISTING.
02:00:45PM I WANT TO YOU LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE LINES AND
02:00:49PM NOW IT COMES ALL THE WAY OUT TO ENCROACHING INTO WHAT IS THE
02:00:54PM CIRCLE, THE BUILDING.
02:00:56PM IT IS BEYOND THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT.
02:00:59PM EVEN THOUGH IT IS HARD TO SEE UNLESS YOU ARE STARTING TO
02:01:02PM LOOK FOR THIS.
02:01:03PM BECAUSE SLICK PRESENTATION, SLICK PLAN.
02:01:06PM IF BUT LOOK AT -- THIS IS -- THIS IS THE EXISTING.
02:01:14PM THIS IS THE EXISTING.
02:01:15PM SO IF YOU NOTICE, YOU DON'T SEE ANY EXPANSION.
02:01:22PM BUT IF BUT LOOK AT THE NEW PLAN, THE EXPANSION.
02:01:28PM LOOK AT THE DARK AREAS IN THE FRONT.
02:01:30PM THAT IS EXPANSION.
02:01:31PM AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER AREAS ON THE BOTTOM.
02:01:36PM LOOKS LIKE A "L."
02:01:38PM EXPANSION.
02:01:39PM THIS IS AN EXPANSION BEYOND THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT.
02:01:43PM THIS IS AN EXPANSION ENCROACHING.
02:01:46PM OUTSIDE THERE IS NO SITE.
02:01:50PM IT IS TAKING AWAY THE ORIGINAL CENTER OF THE SITE WHICH WAS
02:01:54PM DIRT, AND THE BUILDING HAS NOW EXPANDED INTO WHAT IS A DIRT
02:01:58PM COURTYARD WITH THE BEAUTIFUL OAK TREES.
02:02:02PM WITH A ONE-FOOT SETBACK, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY PLANT OAK
02:02:08PM TREES.
02:02:08PM THERE IS NO ROOM.
02:02:10PM WE NEED KEEP THAT IN MIND AND COUNCIL EXPLAINED TO YOU THAT
02:02:17PM ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE LOOKING AT IS THE FIVE CRITERIA.
02:02:23PM I ALSO WANT TO YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT IS BUILDING LOOKS LIKE
02:02:31PM NOW AND WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR THAT THEY WANTON RAISE
02:02:38PM THE GARAGE TO PROTECT THIS BUILDING, BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T
02:02:49PM RAISE THE BUILDING EIGHT FEET, PROTECT IT AND IT WILL
02:02:54PM DETERIORATE.
02:02:55PM THEY ARE NOT PROTECTING IT NOW.
02:02:58PM THERE IS ONE PICTURE.
02:02:59PM I WILL SHOW YOU THIS PICTURE.
02:03:01PM AND LOOK CLOSELY.
02:03:04PM IT IS NOT JUST THE DOOR.
02:03:05PM WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STUCCO DOWN AT THE BOTTOM.
02:03:09PM NOW I COMPLAINED OF THE DOOR AND HE DIDN'T REPLACE THE DOOR.
02:03:12PM THEY ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO MAINTAIN THIS AND BROUGHT IN
02:03:17PM 2022.
02:03:18PM NOT THE FACT THAT IT IS ON THE GROUND.
02:03:19PM IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH DAVIS ISLAND AT ALL.
02:03:24PM HISTORICAL FAMILY BUILDINGS THAT AREN'T ON TOP OF THE
02:03:27PM PARKING GARAGE HERE AT GROUND LEVEL.
02:03:30PM MY MOTHER-IN-LAW IS IN HUDSON MANNER.
02:03:34PM USED TO BE THE ISLANDS CLUB.
02:03:37PM BEFORE THAT A MULTIFAMILY AND ON THE GROUND.
02:03:40PM NO UNDERGROUND PARKING GARAGES ON DAVIS ISLAND.
02:03:45PM WE REALLY NEED TO GET TO THE POINT.
02:03:50PM THE POINT IS, IN ORDER TO GET THE VARIANCE THE DEVELOPER,
02:03:55PM THE APPLICANT MUST DEMONSTRATE A HARDSHIP.
02:04:00PM MOST DEMONSTRATE A HARDSHIP FOR PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY AND
02:04:07PM CANNOT BE ONE THAT IS SELF-CREATED.
02:04:09PM SO THEY WILL WANT TO RAISE THE BUILDING.
02:04:11PM AT FIRST, THEY TOLD US THAT FEMA IS REQUIRING IT.
02:04:15PM WE HAVE TO DO THIS.
02:04:17PM NO, NO REQUIREMENT FROM FEMA.
02:04:19PM NONE IN THE EVIDENCE AND WILL NOT BE IN THE EVIDENCE.
02:04:22PM THEY WANT TO RAISE THE BUILDING TO BUILD A PARKING GARAGE
02:04:27PM UNDER IT.
02:04:28PM YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER IF THEY ARE ABLE TO DO THIS, CONCRETE
02:04:31PM PARKING GARAGE IN THE GROUND COMPLETELY COVERING THE SITE
02:04:34PM WITHIN ONE FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINES WITH THE BUILDING ON
02:04:36PM TOP IN IT MAKES IT.
02:04:38PM SO NOW WE HAVE A COMPUTATION IF THE BUILDING COMES DOWN,
02:04:44PM WHAT IS THE COMPUTATION?
02:04:46PM 60% OR 70% OR 75% OF WHAT.
02:04:51PM THE ORIGINAL BUILDING?
02:04:52PM OR FACTOR IN A PARKING GARAGE.
02:04:55PM THEY WILL HAVE THAT PARKING GARAGE IN THE GROUND FOREVER.
02:04:58PM THEY WILL NEVER HAVE TO TEAR IT DOWN.
02:04:59PM THEY WILL TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING ON TOP OR IF IT GETS TORN
02:05:03PM DOWN, THE NEW PARKING GARAGE IN THE BOTTOM THAT BUILT
02:05:06PM SOMETHING NEW ON TOP OF IT.
02:05:08PM MAYBE THE SAME DESIGN, I DON'T KNOW.
02:05:11PM YOU NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
02:05:13PM WE LOOKED AT A PRESENTATION.
02:05:15PM AND SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ GAVE THE PRESENTATION AT THE VRB WORKSHOP.
02:05:21PM AND THE EXAMPLE SHE USED FOR THIS HARDSHIP, IF SOMEBODY BUYS
02:05:26PM A HOUSE WITHOUT A GARAGE, YOU CAN'T COME AND GET A VARIANCE
02:05:30PM TO BUILD A GARAGE.
02:05:31PM YOU SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT A HOUSE WITH A GARAGE OR SHOULD HAVE
02:05:34PM BROUGHT A HOUSE WITH ENOUGH LAND TO BUILD A GARAGE.
02:05:38PM YOU CAN'T BUY A HOUSE AND SAY I HAVE A HARDSHIP.
02:05:42PM I NEED A GARAGE.
02:05:44PM THEY BROUGHT THE PROPERTY WITHOUT A GARAGE AND NOW THEY WANT
02:05:48PM TO BUILD THE GARAGE.
02:05:49PM RAISE IT TO PROTECT IT.
02:05:51PM NONE OF THE OTHER THINGS.
02:05:53PM ULTIMATELY THEY WILL RAISE THE BUILDING, BUILD THE GARAGE
02:05:57PM AND CONVERT THOSE INTO 22 LUXURY CONDOMINIUMS THE GARAGE
02:06:02PM UNDERNEATH THEM.
02:06:02PM SO YOU NEED TO KEEP IN MIND WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON WITH
02:06:06PM THIS CASE.
02:06:07PM ONCE YOU CAN'T FIND THE HARDSHIP, PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY, GAME
02:06:28PM IS OVER WITH THE VARIANCE.
02:06:28PM SHOULD HAVE BEEN OVER RIGHT THEN.
02:06:28PM CAN'T GO ANY FURTHER.
02:06:28PM BUT THEY DID.
02:06:28PM CAN'T BE SELF-IMPOSED.
02:06:28PM IT WAS.
02:06:28PM SO NOW WHAT IS IT GOING TO DO FOR THE CHARACTER OF THE
02:06:31PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
02:06:31PM THE THIRD CRITERIA BY ALLOWING A 22-CAR PARKING GARAGE.
02:06:36PM WE ARE NOT REALLY SURE, BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TO DO A
02:06:39PM ROBOTIC PARKING GARAGE ON THE VACANT PROPERTY NEXT DOOR WITH
02:06:43PM THE DESIGN EXCEPTION AND DIDN'T GO THROUGH IT.
02:06:45PM I DON'T KNOW 22, 40, HOW MANY CARS, BUT YOU ARE BRINGING IN
02:06:50PM 22 MORE VEHICLE TRIPS TO THE INTERSECTION OF DAVIS BOULEVARD
02:06:54PM AND ADALIA.
02:06:56PM WHERE IS THAT?
02:06:57PM RIGHT WHEN YOU COME ACROSS THE BRIDGE AT THE BASE OF THE
02:07:00PM BRIDGE FROM DAVIS GOING OUT A BUSY INTERSECTION THEY WANT TO
02:07:18PM INCREASE IT AND THE TRIPS THEM GENERATE.
02:07:21PM TAKE AWAY THE COURTYARD, GRASS AND DIRT THAT PERCOLATES INTO
02:07:25PM THE GROUND.
02:07:25PM KEEP IN MIND THIS BUILDING IS UP ALREADY.
02:07:28PM IT HAS A CRAWL SPACE UNDER IT.
02:07:30PM NOT UNDER THE COURTYARD BECAUSE IT IS DIRT.
02:07:33PM RAIN, STORMS GO INTO THE COURTYARD INTO THE GROUND AND
02:07:37PM PERCOLATE THROUGH THE GROUND AND OUT.
02:07:38PM NOW ARE WE ARE GOING TO ELIMINATE THE COURTYARD AND WE WILL
02:07:44PM HAVE CONCRETE.
02:07:44PM NOW WE HAVE RAIN WATER RIGHT INTO THE STREETS THE ADALIA AND
02:07:54PM DAVIS.
02:07:54PM NO PLAN -- NO MENTION IN THEIR PLAN OF COLLECTING THE
02:07:57PM ADDITIONAL STORMWATER RUNOFF THIS IS GOING TO CREATE A
02:08:08PM VARIANCE IN HARMONY.
02:08:09PM CONTRADICTORY TO THE PLAN.
02:08:11PM YOU CAN'T EXPAND A NONCONFORMING USE.
02:08:14PM I AM SURE YOU GOT THE CODE THERE.
02:08:16PM 27-297-1-B AND 297.298.
02:08:25PM YOU CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE THE CODE RESTRICT THE POWER OF
02:08:29PM THE VRB TO EXPAND OR EXTEND A NONCONFORMING PROPERTY.
02:08:32PM RIGHT WITHIN YOU ARE IN MUNI CODE.
02:08:36PM ELIMINATING THAT COURTYARD AND EXPANDING THE GARAGE INTO THE
02:08:40PM -- OUTSIDE THE BUILDING LINES IS AN EXPANSION I DON'T KNOW
02:08:57PM IF YOU HAVE BEEN TO ADALIA, BUT FAMILIES THAT LIVE
02:09:02PM ON ADALIA.
02:09:02PM FAMILIES -- WE HAVE A TOWN.
02:09:04PM HOUSE AND YOU HAVE KIDS.
02:09:06PM THEY PLAY OUT THERE.
02:09:07PM PETS.
02:09:08PM THEY ARE RUNNING OUT THERE.
02:09:09PM ALL OF A SUDDEN WE ARE GOING TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF
02:09:13PM VEHICLES COMING INTO THAT STREET BY AT LEAST 22 OR 40.
02:09:15PM AND THE TRIPS.
02:09:17PM SO IS THIS HELPING THE NEIGHBORHOOD?
02:09:21PM NO.
02:09:21PM WHAT ABOUT THE STORMWATER RUNOFF.
02:09:27PM ONE OF THE RESIDENTS SAY A MAN HOLE AND GETS BLOCKED UP AND
02:09:31PM THE WATER DOESN'T DRAIN AND IT FLOODS.
02:09:33PM THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD THIS BUILDING RIGHT UP TO IT AND
02:09:35PM INCREASE THE RUNOFF.
02:09:36PM SO, YOU KNOW, I AM SURPRISED THIS THING GOT BY THE VRB.
02:09:44PM I MEAN, I SAW THE VIDEO OF THEIR ATTORNEY TELLING THEM ABOUT
02:09:51PM THE GARAGE STORY WITH THE HOUSE I DON'T GET IT.
02:09:56PM I DON'T KNOW HOW IT GOT OUT OF THERE.
02:09:58PM I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY APPROVED IT.
02:10:00PM FIRST THING IS, THEY COULDN'T BE APPROVED BECAUSE WASN'T A
02:10:04PM HARDSHIP THAT WASN'T SELF-INFLICTED.
02:10:06PM I AM SAVING THE REST OF MY TIME FOR SUSAN SWIFT.
02:10:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONE.
02:10:18PM >> I AM SORRY?
02:10:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, THE CELL PHONE.
02:10:20PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
02:10:22PM HOW MUCH TIME IS LEFT?
02:10:30PM >> MY NAME IS SUSAN SWIFT.
02:10:32PM I -- MAY I ASK FOR SOME MORE TIME FOR QUESTIONS.
02:10:38PM SUSAN SWIFT, PLANNING DIRECTOR.
02:10:40PM HERE ON BEHALF OF MIKE FRIDELLA AND STEVE STANLEY.
02:10:44PM I AM AN EXPERT PLANNER.
02:10:46PM I SUBMITTED MY RESUME TO THAT EFFECT.
02:10:48PM I DO THINK I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN UNIQUE QUALIFICATION
02:10:52PM FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW ME.
02:10:54PM I WAS THE ZONING DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR 11
02:10:57PM YEARS.
02:10:57PM MANY MOONS AGO.
02:11:01PM SO I UNDERSTAND THE CODE AND I UNDERSTAND THE PROCEDURES.
02:11:05PM I HAVE A SLIDE -- A POWERPOINT IF SOMEONE COULD PUT IT UP
02:11:13PM THERE.
02:11:15PM IT WAS SUBMITTED.
02:11:16PM THERE IT GOES.
02:11:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
02:11:20PM >> NEXT SLIDE.
02:11:21PM AND I AM GOING TO MOVE THROUGH THIS BECAUSE OF RAN OUT OF
02:11:28PM TIME ALREADY.
02:11:28PM THE MOST -- BIGGEST CONCERN FOR THE NEIGHBORS AND MY CLIENTS
02:11:33PM ARE PROCESS AND TRANSPARENCY.
02:11:36PM THERE ARE A LOT OF INCREMENTAL APPLICATIONS FOR THIS
02:11:40PM PROJECT.
02:11:41PM NEXT SLIDE.
02:11:42PM AM I SUPPOSED TO BE DOING THIS?
02:11:45PM SORRY, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT.
02:11:47PM CAN I -- CAN I STOP MY TIME.
02:11:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT'S STOPPED.
02:11:53PM >> OKAY.
02:11:53PM OKAY, SIDEWAYS.
02:12:01PM ALL RIGHT.
02:12:01PM CAN IT COME UP HERE OR NOT?
02:12:14PM ANYBODY COME UP HERE?
02:12:15PM NO?
02:12:16PM I CAN STAND BACK HERE AND HOPE YOU CAN HEAR ME.
02:12:21PM THERE IS A LOT OF COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT WE
02:12:23PM PROVIDED AT THE VRB.
02:12:26PM TO REPEAT -- THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:12:28PM THEY PUT THE SLIDE DOWN HERE.
02:12:30PM THE BIGGEST QUESTION OR THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS -- WE AGREE
02:12:39PM WITH THE DECISION LETTER.
02:12:40PM THIS IS A LEGAL NONCONFORMING USE AND A LEGAL NONCONFORMING
02:12:44PM STRUCTURE.
02:12:44PM THEREFORE, THIS BUILDING FOOTPRINT IS GRAND FATHERED.
02:12:49PM THEY DIDN'T NEED A SETBACK VARIANCE TO BUILD, TO KEEP WHAT
02:12:54PM IS THERE.
02:12:54PM THEY NEED IT TO BUILD A GARAGE UNDERNEATH, BUT THEY DON'T
02:13:03PM NEED TO HAVE ANY VARIANCE.
02:13:05PM THAT IS THE BASIS.
02:13:06PM A LOT OF SMOKE AND MIRRORS AND DIFFERENT SITE PLANS.
02:13:09PM IT DOESN'T MEET THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA.
02:13:12PM EXPANDING THE NONCONFORMING USE.
02:13:15PM YOU HEARD A LOT OF THAT.
02:13:16PM ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES IS THE APPLICATION ITSELF WAS
02:13:23PM DEFICIENT.
02:13:24PM MORE THAN HALF THE ITEMS IN YOUR VRB APPLICATION WAS NOT
02:13:30PM PRESENTED ON THE SITE PLAN OR THE APPLICATION.
02:13:33PM THE PREMISE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE RAISED.
02:13:36PM YOU HEARD THAT.
02:13:37PM UNLIKE THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLES, NO GOVERNMENT AGENCY IS
02:13:40PM MAKING THEM DO THIS.
02:13:41PM THEY ARE DOING IT TO BUILD THE PARKING GARAGE.
02:13:44PM I AM NOT A PROPONENT OF PDs I THINK THEY ARE OVERUSED IN THE
02:13:53PM CITY.
02:13:53PM THING IS A PROJECT THAT SHOULD BE PROCESSED AS A FD.
02:13:58PM ITEMS IN YOUR CHECKLIST THAT ARE NOT PROVIDED ON THE SITE
02:14:01PM PLAN.
02:14:02PM AND THIS APPLICATION IS COMPLETELY DEFICIENT.
02:14:04PM SHOULD NEVER HAVE GONE TO THE VRB IN THE FIRST PLACE.
02:14:08PM THERE IS SO MANY INCONSISTENCIES.
02:14:10PM I DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME IN MY TEN MINUTES.
02:14:12PM I CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME IN MY THREE MINUTES.
02:14:15PM SO I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM.
02:14:24PM AT LEAST FIVE SITE PLANS SUBMITTED.
02:14:27PM TO THE POINT EARLIER, THE STAFF PERSON PRESENTED VARIOUS
02:14:30PM SHEETS OF A SITE PLAN.
02:14:31PM THOSE WERE NOT INCLUDED -- SEVERAL OF THOSE SMILES ARE NOT
02:14:34PM ON THE DECISION LETTER.
02:14:36PM THE PARKING IS NOT ON THE DECISION LETTER.
02:14:39PM THERE ARE ONLY TWO -- TWO LITTLE CUTOUTS LIKES YOU SEE IN
02:14:42PM THIS SITE PLAN 3 THAT ARE COMPLETELY INELIGIBLE AND THEY ARE
02:14:59PM MEANINGLESS.
02:15:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:15:02PM >> THIS IS MY IMPORTANT SLIDE.
02:15:03PM CAN I COVER THIS.
02:15:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHATEVER EXTRA TIME, WE GIVE IT TO THE
02:15:09PM OTHER SIDE.
02:15:10PM A MINUTE.
02:15:11PM >> THE MOST IMPORTANT SLIDE.
02:15:12PM THE FOOTPRINT OF THIS BUILDING IS GRANDFATHERED.
02:15:16PM LEGAL NONCONFORMING USE AND STRUCTURE.
02:15:19PM THE BLUE IS WHERE YOUR CODE SAYS, SHALL NOT EXTEND TO OCCUPY
02:15:24PM LAND OUTSIDE SUCH BUILDING.
02:15:26PM THE BLUE IN THE CENTER COURTYARD, THAT IS AN EXPANSION.
02:15:30PM THE VRB TO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO EITHER OF THESE
02:15:33PM THINGS.
02:15:33PM THE PINK IS -- THE PINK IS AN EXPANSION AS STEVE SAYS.
02:15:38PM IT IS EXPANDING THE BUILDING BEYOND WHAT IS THERE NOW THIS
02:15:45PM IS THE SECTIONS THAT PROHIBIT THAT.
02:15:47PM SIX SECTIONS IN YOUR CODE.
02:15:49PM THEY SAY THIS IN SIX DIFFERENT WAYS.
02:15:51PM THEY CAN'T EXPAND THE USE.
02:15:53PM THEY CAN'T EXPAND THE BUILDING OR THE STRUCTURE IN ALL THESE
02:15:57PM WAY AND IT GOT WORSE BECAUSE WE NEVER SEEN THE SHEETS THAT
02:16:09PM WERE SHOWN AND SKIPPING TO THE END, THE WE DO NOT HAVE THE
02:16:14PM SHEETS THAT THE STAFF JUST SHOWED YOU.
02:16:15PM THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE PRESENTED -- THE APPLICATION PRESENTED A
02:16:19PM NEW SITE PLAN AT THE VRB HEARING, NOT IN THE RULES OF
02:16:23PM PROCEDURES AND WE NEVER SEEN.
02:16:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:16:28PM AT THIS TIME A PRESENTATION BY MR. STEVE MICHELINI.
02:16:34PM YOU WILL HAVE 16 MINUTES.
02:16:35PM >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
02:16:40PM BEFORE WE GET STARTED AND MY TIME BEGINS, I HAVE
02:16:44PM HOUSEKEEPING.
02:16:44PM BEN DACHEPALLI.
02:16:51PM I AM WITH THE LAW FIRM OF BRADLEY ARANT BOULT CUMMINGS.
02:16:56PM DAVIS STREET.
02:16:57PM I AM A DAVIS ISLAND RESIDENT.
02:17:00PM BEFORE I BEGIN MY TIME, I HAVE HOUSEKEEPING MATTERS, MR.
02:17:05PM CHAIRMAN, IF THAT IS OKAY?
02:17:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
02:17:08PM >> I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF ITEMS.
02:17:10PM I WANT TO ENSURE THAT THE OFFICIAL RECORD FOR THIS
02:17:13PM PROCEEDING INCLUDES THE RELEVANT DOCUMENTS IN THE VRB FILE,
02:17:18PM SPECIFICALLY THE VARIANCE APPLICATION.
02:17:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS SHOULD BE PART OF THE PRESENTATION.
02:17:23PM SO WE WILL START YOUR TIME.
02:17:24PM >> OKAY, GREAT.
02:17:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: PROCEDURAL?
02:17:30PM >> I AM JUST TRYING TO CONFIRM THAT THE DOCUMENTS ARE ALL ON
02:17:33PM THE RECORD.
02:17:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, I CAN'T --
02:17:35PM >> WE LOOKED ONLINE AND WE DIDN'T SEE THEM.
02:17:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
02:17:39PM I CAN'T VOUCH NOR CAN COUNCIL AT THIS TIME WHAT IS IN THE
02:17:44PM ORIGINAL RECORD.
02:17:45PM WILL SOMEBODY BE ABLE TO STATE THAT IF THAT IS THE CASE?
02:17:59PM >>STEVEN EYSTER: STEVEN EYSTER WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA.
02:18:04PM A PACKET THAT WAS 350 PAGES CONTAINING ALL INFORMATION FROM
02:18:08PM THE RECORD CONDENSED SO YOU GUYS CAN FLIP THROUGH IT WITHOUT
02:18:12PM HAVING TO GO THROUGH ACELA.
02:18:14PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY, THANK YOU.
02:18:16PM PRESENTING A POWERPOINT AND INTRODUCING A HARD COPY OF THAT
02:18:20PM INTO THE RECORD AS WELL.
02:18:21PM LASTLY, HOUSEKEEPING MATTER.
02:18:23PM I UNDERSTAND OBVIOUS THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING.
02:18:27PM IT IS KIND OF AWKWARD TO EVEN LAST, BUT IN LIGHT OF RECENT
02:18:32PM 13th JUDICIAL CIRCUIT OPINION BY JUDGE MOE IN THE LIBERTY
02:18:37PM HOSPITALITY MANAGEMENT VERSUS CITY OF TAMPA CASE, I HAVE THE
02:18:41PM LEGAL DUTY AND OBLIGATION ON BEHALF OF MY CLIENT TO ASK THE
02:18:45PM COUNCIL ATTORNEY OR THE CITY ATTORNEY WHETHER THERE IS LEGAL
02:18:48PM -- WHETHER CITY COUNCIL HAS THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO EXERCISE
02:18:53PM QUASI JUDICIAL POWERS IN THIS MEETING.
02:18:56PM IF SO, WE ARE MORE THAN READY TO PROCEED.
02:18:58PM AND JUST WANT TO RESERVE OUR RIGHTS ACCORDINGLY.
02:19:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: AS HAPPENED THIS MORNING WHEN MR. MASSEY
02:19:07PM SPOKE TO CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY ATTORNEY AND MISS JOHN SUSAN
02:19:13PM JOHNSON-VELEZ AND NEEDS TO CHIME IN, SHE HAS OPINED THAT YOU
02:19:17PM CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING AND IT IS
02:19:20PM APPROPRIATE TO DO SO.
02:19:21PM >> THANK YOU.
02:19:21PM WITH THAT I AM READY TO PROCEED.
02:19:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
02:19:24PM >> ONCE AGAIN, I REPRESENT ADAM SCHLESINGER WHO IS SITTING
02:19:28PM HERE AND THE APPLICANT, STEVE MICHELINI, REGARDING 16 DAVIS
02:19:31PM BOULEVARD, THE RESPONDENT IN THIS MATTER.
02:19:34PM YOU KNOW, MY CLIENT SOUGHT THIS VARIANCE TO PRESERVE,
02:19:39PM PROTECT AND UPGRADE A 99-YEAR-OLD HISTORIC BUILDING.
02:19:42PM THE VRB EVALUATED ALL THE CRITERIA AND ON MAY 14, 2024,
02:19:48PM UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED VRB 23-270 TO LIVE THE BUILDING SIX
02:19:56PM FEET SEVEN INCHES BECAUSE SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE WAS
02:20:01PM SUBMITTED AND WE MET ALL THE CRITERIA.
02:20:04PM AND I WILL GO THROUGH THE CRY TERRY EXTRA AND WHAT THE VRB.
02:20:08PM THIS WAS A LENGTHY HEARING.
02:20:09PM IT WAS OVER TWO HOURS LONG
02:20:11PM THE VRB LISTENS TO THE TAMPA AND THE FIVE VARIANCE CRITERIA
02:20:18PM I WILL DISCUSS LATER IN THIS HE THINKS WERE.
02:20:19PM IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE VRB CONDITIONS -- THE VRB
02:20:24PM INCLUDED CONDITIONS AS PART OF THEIR APPROVAL.
02:20:27PM AS WAS STATE BY CITY STAFF, THE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS TO
02:20:31PM SAFEGUARD AGAINST ANY CONCERNS THAT THE VARIANCE WILL APPLY
02:20:34PM TO ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY.
02:20:37PM THIS VARIANCE APPLIES TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND VARIANCE
02:20:41PM TERMINATES IF EXCEEDS GOVERNING NONCONFORM STRUCTURES.
02:20:52PM I WANT TO GIVE YOU BACKGROUND ON THE BUILDING ITSELF AND
02:20:56PM SIGNIFICANCE.
02:20:56PM BUILDING HAS REMAINED IN THE SAME CONFIGURATION 99 YEARS.
02:21:05PM THIS OWNER MR. SCHLESINGER WANTS TO REMAIN FOR ANOTHER99
02:21:10PM YEARS.
02:21:10PM LOCATED 16 DAVIS BOULEVARD AND CONSTRUCTED BACK IN 1925.
02:21:17PM A RICH HISTORY TO THIS -- TO THIS BUILDING.
02:21:21PM BUILT IN 1925.
02:21:22PM THIS IS AN ORIGINAL PHOTOGRAPH.
02:21:25PM IT WAS ORIGINALLY CALLED THE SPANISH PARTS.
02:21:27PM IT WAS DEVELOPED BY D P DAVIS TO BE A GATEWAY STRUCTURE ON
02:21:32PM BE INTO DAVIS ISLANDS AND ANNOUNCES THE DAVIS ISLANDS'
02:21:38PM MEDITERRANEAN WITH 22 APARTMENT UNITS COVERING TWO AND A
02:21:43PM HALF LOTS AND NO PARKING.
02:21:44PM AUGUST 3, 1989, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY LISTED ON THE NATIONAL
02:21:49PM REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
02:21:51PM NOMINATED BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA BUREAU OF PRESERVATION.
02:21:54PM BEFORE THIS APPLICATION, THIS VARIANCE APPLICATION WAS MADE,
02:22:01PM THE CITY ISSUED A NOTICE.
02:22:03PM IT CONFIRMED THAT THE STRUCTURE REMAINS IN THE SAME LOCATION
02:22:07PM ON LOT ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED WITH 22 UNITS.
02:22:10PM SETBACKS ARE LEGAL NONCONFORMING AND THE DENSITY IS ALSO
02:22:15PM LEGAL NONCONFORMING.
02:22:16PM THAT BRINGS US TO THE VARIANCE REQUEST ITSELF.
02:22:19PM THE PURPOSE OF THE OWNER'S REQUEST IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE
02:22:22PM TO PRESERVE A HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
02:22:24PM TO COMPLY WITH CURRENT FEMA REQUIREMENTS EVEN THOUGH NO
02:22:28PM OBLIGATION TO, AND TO ALLEVIATE THE ON-STREET PARKING, AND A
02:22:33PM LOT OF THE E-MAILS AND LETTERS OF SUPPORT THAT THIS COUNCIL
02:22:36PM RECEIVED IS JUST THAT.
02:22:37PM THEY WANT TO SEE THE RELIEF OF ALL THE ON STREET PARKING
02:22:40PM THAT THIS BUILDING GENERATES WITH 2 UNITS.
02:22:49PM IT WILL NOT CHANGE DESPITE WHAT THEY ARE TELLING YOU.
02:22:52PM AND THE DENSITY AND THE SETBACKS WILL NOT CHANGE.
02:22:54PM THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO NONCONFORMING ISSUES THAT WE ARE
02:22:58PM DEALING WITH FOR THIS VARIANCE REQUEST.
02:23:00PM LIFTING THE STRUCTURE DOES NOT INCREASE THE NONCONFORMING
02:23:04PM SETBACKS.
02:23:04PM AND HERE ARE THE SETBACKS.
02:23:06PM AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY HAVE BEEN THE SAME SINCE 1925.
02:23:10PM THESE ARE THE MEASUREMENTS OF THOSE SETBACKS, AFTER THE
02:23:15PM LIFT, THE PROPOSED LIFT, THE SETBACKS WILL REMAIN EXACTLY
02:23:18PM THE SAME.
02:23:19PM THIS IS A VISUAL RECOMMENDATION OF THE APPROVED SITE PLAN
02:23:22PM THAT WAS SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL RECORD TO
02:23:25PM THE VRB.
02:23:26PM ON THE LEFT IS THE ORIGINAL EXISTING SITE PLAN.
02:23:29PM AND NEXT TO IT ON THE LEFT -- OR ON THE RIGHT, EXCUSE ME, IS
02:23:34PM THE PROPOSED.
02:23:34PM ALL THE QUARTERBACKS ARE GOING TO BE EXACTLY THE SAME.
02:23:38PM IDENTICAL.
02:23:39PM WE ARE ONLY LIFTING IN ADDITION LIFTING THE BUILDING TO
02:23:48PM SEVEN FEET SEVEN INCHES, IT WILL REMAIN UNDER THE 60-FOOT
02:23:52PM HEIGHT LIMITATION FOR RM-24 DESIGNATION.
02:23:56PM AFTER THE LIFT 54 FEET, FOUR INCHES.
02:24:01PM THIS WAS SHOWN DURING CITY STAFF'S PRESENTATION, BUT THIS IS
02:24:04PM FROM THE APPROVED SITE PLAN.
02:24:05PM THIS SHOWS THE EXISTING SIDE ELEVATIONS.
02:24:12PM 13-FOOT ELEVATION THAT IS REQUIRED FOR THIS BUILDING.
02:24:16PM CURRENTLY EXISTS EIGHT FEET, SIX INCHES AS THE FINISHED
02:24:21PM FLOOR ELEVATION.
02:24:22PM AS WE FLIP TO THE PROPOSED ELEVATION, THERE ISN'T -- WHAT IS
02:24:27PM STRIKE BEING THIS.
02:24:29PM THERE IS NOT A LOT OF DIFFERENCE IN APPEARANCE OR SCALE,
02:24:33PM EXCEPT THAT THE BUILDING WILL NOW HAVE A DESIGN FLOOD
02:24:36PM ELEVATION THAT COMPLIES WITH FEMA'S AND THE CITY'S ELEVATION
02:24:40PM STANDARDS.
02:24:40PM SO LET'S TALK OF THE PROPOSED WORK TO THE BUILDING.
02:24:46PM WE ARE PROPOSING TO LIFT IT 7 FEET, 6 INCHES.
02:24:53PM SIDE ELEVATION OF DAVIS BOULEVARD AND HOW IT WILL LOOK AFTER
02:24:56PM THE LIFT IS COMPLETED.
02:24:57PM THIS IS A SIDE ELEVATION ON ADALIA AFTER THE LIFT IS
02:25:04PM COMPLETED.
02:25:05PM IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE ELEVATION OF THE STRUCTURE DOES
02:25:08PM NOT REQUIRE IT TO BE SHIFTED OR MOVED HORIZONTALLY.
02:25:11PM THIS IS STRICTLY A VERTICAL LIFT.
02:25:13PM NOW THE OWNER HAS TAKEN GREAT CARE TO SELECT A SPECIALIST IN
02:25:17PM STRUCTURAL LIFT BIG MAINTAINING BROWNIE STRUCTURAL MOVERS,
02:25:22PM WHO HAVE BEEN DOING STRUCTURAL LIFTS FOR OVER 100 YEARS ALL
02:25:26PM OVER THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND THE SOUTHEAST UNITED STATES.
02:25:28PM MR. JACKSON BROWNIE IS HERE.
02:25:30PM IF THE CITY COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS OF THE METHODOLOGY
02:25:33PM THAT WE INTEND TO EMPLOY, AND HE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS
02:25:39PM ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCES AS WELL.
02:25:41PM TO HIGHLIGHT BROWNIE'S STRUCTURAL EXPERIENCE IN THIS, I
02:25:45PM WANTED TO SHARE THREE CASE STUDIES ALSO SHARED WITH THE VRB,
02:25:51PM OF BUILDINGS THAT WAS SIMILAR TO 16 DAVIS.
02:25:53PM HISTORIC HOLLOW CLAY TUNNEL BUILDINGS ALSO RAISED TO
02:25:58PM PRESERVE THE STRUCTURES AND REDUCE THE IMPACT OF FLOODING.
02:26:01PM HERE IS THE SECOND ONE.
02:26:03PM HERE IS THE THIRD ONE.
02:26:14PM THE SCOPE AND WORK THAT BROWNIE DOES OVER THE STATE IS THE
02:26:18PM TYPE OF PROJECT THAT HE WILL BE DOING HERE.
02:26:19PM TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY AND ITS RESIDENTS, THERE IS ALSO
02:26:24PM SIGNIFICANT HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE REASONS FOR THIS
02:26:27PM VARIANCE.
02:26:27PM LIFTING THE BUILDING WILL RAISE ALL ELECTRICAL AND
02:26:31PM MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT OUT OF THE FLOOD ZONES.
02:26:33PM FEMA SUPPORTS THIS APPROACH EVEN THOUGH THE OWNER IS NOT
02:26:37PM REQUIRED TO MEET CURRENT FLOOD ELEVATION STANDARDS.
02:26:39PM THE CURRENT U.S. SECRETARY OF INTERIOR RECOMMENDS THIS
02:26:44PM RAISING METHOD AS A GUIDELINES FOR RESTORING HISTORIC
02:26:52PM BUILDINGS.
02:26:52PM A APERTURE IN PRESIDENT NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM AND
02:26:56PM CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS OF AN
02:26:59PM IMPROVED FLOOD MITIGATION METHOD UNDER THE NIFB.
02:27:04PM HISTORIC PRESERVATION EXPERT CASSIE GARDNER.
02:27:08PM A FLORIDA CERTIFIED GENERAL CONTRACTOR, AND SHE HAS OFFERED
02:27:12PM A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THIS ENDEAVOR TO PRESERVE A BUILDING
02:27:16PM AND EXPLAIN WHY THIS LIFT IS SO IMPORTANT FOR THE BUILDING'S
02:27:19PM FUTURE IF COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
02:27:21PM PER HER LETTER THAT I ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ, MISS GARDNER
02:27:30PM SAY WILL SUPPORT THE SUSTAINABILITY OF STRUCTURE THROUGH
02:27:33PM ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS.
02:27:34PM THE VRB I WANT TO GO FLEW EACH ONE AND SHOW WHY YOU THE VRP
02:27:47PM UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THIS REQUEST.
02:27:49PM THE PETITIONERS KEEP TALKING OF THE LACK OF HARDSHIPS, BUT
02:27:55PM THE VARIANCE CRITERIA NUMBER ONE IF THERE ARE HARDSHIPS TO
02:28:03PM ARE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES UNIQUE TO THE PROPERTY AND THAT
02:28:08PM IS EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
02:28:09PM SIX PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES TO THE STRUCTURE.
02:28:12PM THE STRUCTURE WAS BUILT IN 1925 PRIOR TO SETBACKS AND HEIGHT
02:28:17PM REGULATIONS AND LEGAL NONCONFORMING.
02:28:20PM ON AN ODDLY SHAPED STRUCTURE SINCE DEVELOPED IN 1995.
02:28:31PM THE PROPERTY HAS TWO FRONT SETBACKS INSTEAD OF ONE.
02:28:38PM THREE SIDE SIDEWALKS.
02:28:40PM AND NO REAR SETBACK.
02:28:42PM IF THE CURRENT RM SETBACK -- THE CURRENT RM SETBACKS OF TWO
02:28:49PM 25-FOOT AND THREE SEVEN-SIDE ARE APPLIED, THEN THE PROPERTY
02:28:53PM WOULD HAVE VIRTUALLY NO CAPACITY TO USABLE STRUCTURES.
02:28:56PM I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU ON THE ELMO, IF I COULD.
02:29:00PM JUST A DIAGRAM OF -- OF WHAT THE BUILDABLE FOOTPRINT WOULD
02:29:08PM BE IF THERE WAS IF IT HAS TO COMPLY WITH THE CURRENT
02:29:12PM SETBACK.
02:29:12PM HERE IT IS.
02:29:13PM AS YOU CAN SEE, THE CURRENT -- THE CURRENT AREA AS IT EXISTS
02:29:20PM NOW IS 5950 FEET.
02:29:22PM IF IT HAS TO GO DOWN TO THE CURRENT SETBACK REQUIREMENTS
02:29:27PM FOR RM 24, THAN 94 IT IS REALLY WHAT THE OPPOSITION WANT.
02:29:37PM THEY DON'T LIKE THE DENSITY AND THEY WOULD RATHER SEE IT
02:29:41PM LOSE ITS CONFORMING STATUS.
02:29:44PM WE WILL INTRODUCE THIS INTO THE RECORD FOR EVIDENCE AS WELL.
02:29:47PM CAN I GO BACK TO THE POWER POINTS PLEASE.
02:29:49PM IT IS GOING TO COME.
02:29:56PM THERE IT IS.
02:29:57PM >> OKAY, GREAT.
02:29:58PM THE NEXT CRITERIA, CRITERIA NUMBER TWO IS THE PRACTICAL
02:30:04PM DIFFICULTIES WERE NOT SELF-CREATED THAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
02:30:08PM THE PREVIOUSLY CITED PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES ARE NOT BY THE
02:30:14PM APPLICANT.
02:30:14PM CONDITIONS HAPPENED SINCE 1925 BELONGING BEFORE OUR
02:30:18PM APPLICATION.
02:30:18PM AND FEMA FOR OPERATION OF LAW.
02:30:21PM NOT BY THE APPLICANT.
02:30:22PM HISTORIC DESIGNATION OCCURRED IN 1989 WITH THE NOMINATION OF
02:30:27PM OTHERS NOT MY APPLICANT, NOT MY CLIENT.
02:30:30PM CHANGING WEATHER PATTERNS EXTREME WEATHER NOT CAUSING WATER
02:30:38PM DAMAGE IS OUTSIDE OF THE CONTROL OF THE APPLICANT AND NONE
02:30:41PM OF THESE ARE SELF-CREATED.
02:30:43PM PRESIDENT THIRD CRITERIA THAT THE VARIANCE WILL NOT
02:30:46PM INTERFERE WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
02:30:48PM ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
02:30:49PM ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES BUILT AND DEVELOPED WITH THE
02:30:53PM 16 DAVIS.
02:30:55PM ALL THE WORK.
02:31:02PM AND BY LIFTING THE BUILDING, THE OWNER MINUTE RISING THE
02:31:08PM CURRENT NONCONFORMITIES AND PARKING ALL THE ON-STREET
02:31:13PM PARKING ISSUES THAT MANY OF THE SUPPORTERS HAVE WRITTEN TO
02:31:15PM THE COUNCIL ABOUT AND WHY THEY SUPPORT THIS VARIANCE.
02:31:18PM THE FOURTH CRITERIA IS THAT THE VARIANCE SERVING THE INTENT
02:31:23PM AND PURPOSES OF THE COMP PLAN.
02:31:25PM THAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
02:31:26PM THE VARIANCE SERVING THE INTENT AND PURPOSE OF THE COMP
02:31:30PM PLAN, AS WELL AS THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE FEDERAL
02:31:33PM REGULATIONS AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
02:31:35PM I HAVE LISTED THEM ALL HERE FOR YOU SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THIS
02:31:39PM VARIANCE SERVES THAT PURPOSE.
02:31:41PM AND HERE ARE THE FEDERAL REGS.
02:31:44PM AND HERE IS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
02:31:46PM THE FOURTH CRITERIA -- EXCUSE ME -- THE FIFTH CRITERIA IS
02:31:56PM THAT SUBSTANTIAL JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED.
02:32:00PM THIS IS TRUE.
02:32:00PM THE COMPETING INTEREST OF PRESERVING THIS HISTORIC STRUCTURE
02:32:04PM INCLUDING ALL THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE REASONS WE
02:32:08PM PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY AND ITS
02:32:10PM RESIDENTS SIGNIFICANTLY OUTWEIGHS THE NEGLIGIBLE IMPACT OF
02:32:14PM THIS VARIANCE.
02:32:15PM IMPORTANTLY, FOR THIS BODY'S EVALUATION, THE SETBACKS WILL
02:32:21PM REMAIN UNCHANGED.
02:32:23PM WE ARE NOT CHANGING THEM AND THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING WILL
02:32:26PM BE WELL BELOW THE HEIGHT LIMIT.
02:32:31PM ALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS THAT THIS WAS MERELY A
02:32:40PM SUBTERFUGE TO REDEVELOP THE PROPERTY AT A ONE FOOT SETBACK
02:32:49PM TO I DRESS CONCERNS, LIMITED THE EXISTING STRUCTURES AND
02:32:55PM THAT THE VARIANCE SHOULD DETERMINATE AND BE AND VOID IF THE
02:32:59PM BUILDING IS DAMAGED OR DESTROYED MORE THAN THE PERCENTAGE
02:33:04PM LIMITATIONS AND THE VRP APPROVED THIS VARIANCE WITH THESE
02:33:08PM CONDITIONS.
02:33:18PM IN CONCLUSION, THE RESPONDENT HOPES THAT CITY COUNCIL HOLD
02:33:22PM UP THE UNANIMOUS APPROVAL OF VRB 23-70 BECAUSE WE HAVE MET
02:33:28PM THE CRITERIA AND HAVE PRESENTED COMPETENT EVIDENCE TO
02:33:32PM SUPPORT IT.
02:33:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN WE SEE THIS.
02:33:45PM >> IS MY TIME STOPPING?
02:33:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, WE HAVE PAUSED YOUR TIME.
02:33:52PM I JUST WANT TO READ THIS.
02:33:53PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:33:54PM YES, MA'AM.
02:33:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT YEAR DID YOUR CLIENT PURCHASE THIS
02:34:01PM PROPERTY.
02:34:01PM >> 2021.
02:34:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
02:34:06PM CAN YOU GO BACK TO ONE OF THE VERY FIRST SLIDES?
02:34:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
02:34:10PM >> YES.
02:34:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE SLIDE WHERE YOU HAD THE REASONS YOU WANT
02:34:22PM TO DO THIS.
02:34:23PM SO YOU WANT TO DO THIS TO PRESERVE, COMPLY AND ALLEVIATE.
02:34:34PM OKAY.
02:34:34PM I HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I WILL WAIT UNTIL
02:34:44PM THE END.
02:34:44PM THANK YOU.
02:34:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:34:47PM >> THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN.
02:34:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING FURTHER IN YOUR PRESENTATION OR
02:34:54PM YOUR SECTION?
02:34:56PM >> I WILL RESERVE THE REMAINING TIME FOR REBUTTAL.
02:35:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE IS NO REBUTTAL.
02:35:04PM >> ACCORDING TO PROCEDURES, WE HAVE TIME FOR REBUTTAL.
02:35:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE DO.
02:35:09PM I HAVE TWO PAGES HERE.
02:35:10PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SOMEBODY IS JESTERING WITH STUFF.
02:35:15PM MR. DACHPELLI, IS THIS -- IS THIS BEING SUBMITTED FOR THE
02:35:22PM RECORD.
02:35:23PM >> EVERYTHING THAT I SAID I COMMITTED FOR THE RECORD.
02:35:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FOR CLARITY, YOU HAVE REBUTTAL AND MR.
02:35:31PM STANLEY HAS REBUTTAL.
02:35:32PM I HAVE TWO PAGES OF INSTRUCTIONS SO.
02:35:34PM ALL RIGHT, AT THIS TIME WE GO TO CROSS EXAMINATION BY MR.
02:35:39PM STEVEN STANLEY, THE PETITIONERS OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVES.
02:35:42PM A FIVE-MINUTE CROSS-EXAMINATION, FOLLOWED BY FIVE MINUTES
02:35:47PM FOR MR. MICHELINI OR THE ATTORNEY TO ALSO CROSS-EXAMINE.
02:35:50PM WHO -- YOU WISH TO BEGIN THE CROSS-EXAMINATION SIR?
02:35:57PM >> NO WITNESSES HAVE BEEN ASKED ANY QUESTIONS SO I DON'T
02:36:00PM KNOW WHO IS THE SUBJECT TO CROSS EXAMINATION UNDER THE RULES
02:36:02PM AND PROCEDURES.
02:36:04PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. DACHEPELLI, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS
02:36:12PM PICKED UP ON THE MICROPHONE.
02:36:14PM >> BEN DACHEPELLI FOR THE APPLICANT.
02:36:20PM I AM NOT AWARE OF HOW MR. STANLEY WILL HAVE TIME FOR
02:36:24PM CROSS-EXAMINATION SINCE I AM THE ONLY ONE THAT PRESENTED
02:36:26PM ANYTHING THUS FAR AND ANSWERED ANY QUESTIONS FROM CITY
02:36:30PM COUNCIL.
02:36:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MISS SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, CAN YOU
02:36:33PM CLARIFY.
02:36:34PM HEARING PROCEED AUTO US, WE HAVE TWO SIDES OF CROSS
02:36:37PM EXAMINATION.
02:36:37PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, DEPARTMENT.
02:36:39PM YES, WELL, I THINK I MENTIONED TO YOU, COUNCIL BEFORE IN
02:36:43PM PRIOR HEARINGS.
02:36:44PM THAT ATTORNEYS DO NOT PROVIDE FACT-BASED TESTIMONY.
02:36:48PM ATTORNEYS KIND OF PRESENT.
02:36:51PM AND SO THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY FACT WITNESSES, SO --
02:36:57PM >> WHAT ABOUT STAFF?
02:36:59PM WHAT ABOUT MR. STEVEN EY STER?
02:37:05PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: YOU CAN CROSS-EXAMINE MR. EYSTER,
02:37:08PM STAFF HAS BEEN SWORN IN.
02:37:10PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: EXCUSE ME, JUST FOR THE RECORD, THERE
02:37:12PM ARE OTHER STAFF MEMBERS ON TOO.
02:37:14PM ERIC COTTON AND LAURA MARLEY ARE BOTH ONLINE AND HAVE A LINE
02:37:18PM TO THE HEARING.
02:37:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU COULD STATE WHAT THEIR ROLES ARE,
02:37:22PM WHO WILL BE SPEAKING.
02:37:25PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: MR. COTTON IS THE ZONING
02:37:27PM ADMINISTRATOR, AND MISS MARLEY IS INVOLVED IN THE VRB
02:37:30PM PROCESS.
02:37:31PM SHE WAS AT THE HEARING, WITH THE HEARING.
02:37:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEY ARE AVAILABLE TO CITY COUNCIL IF CITY
02:37:36PM COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS OF THEM.
02:37:37PM OKAY.
02:37:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
02:37:39PM IF YOU WISH TO CROSS EXAMINATION, SIR, THERE IS A GENTLEMAN
02:37:42PM FROM THE VRB OVER HERE.
02:37:44PM >> YES.
02:37:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF HE CAN COP UP AND STATE YOUR NAMES
02:37:48PM BOTH FOR THE RECORDS.
02:37:49PM >> MY NAME IS -- FOR THE RECORD AGAIN.
02:37:51PM >> STEPHEN STANLEY ON BEHALF OF THE PETITIONERS.
02:37:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU ARE CROSS-EXAMINING.
02:37:58PM >> RIGHT NOW, STEVEN --
02:38:01PM >>STEVEN EYSTER.
02:38:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, YOU HAVE PHI MINUTES.
02:38:05PM >> MR. EYSTER, ISN'T IT TRUE THAT THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT OF
02:38:12PM THE BUILDING IS GRANDFATHERED IN.
02:38:14PM >> WE TYPICALLY DON'T USE THE TERM "GRANDFATHERED."
02:38:18PM IT WAS VESTED BY THE CITY.
02:38:19PM >> THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT IS VESTED.
02:38:38PM >> SO YOU SHOWED COUNCIL MULTIPLE PAGES I AM ASSUMING --
02:38:42PM ALLEGEDLY PART OF THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED.
02:38:45PM HAVE YOU SEEN THE ACTUAL LETTER THAT WERE ATTACHED DRAWINGS
02:38:56PM THE APPROVAL LETTER.
02:38:57PM >> YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
02:38:59PM UPDATED FROM HEAD FROM THE ORIGINAL VRB PROCEEDING AND WE
02:39:03PM USED THOSE SAME SITE PHOTOS -- THE SAME SITE PLAN.
02:39:08PM >> WHY DO WE HAVE ONLY TWO?
02:39:11PM THE LETTER AND TWO DRAWINGS?
02:39:20PM CAN I HAVE A MOMENT.
02:39:21PM THAT'S WHY WE FILED THE PETITION.
02:39:33PM I STAND CORRECTED.
02:39:53PM IT HAS THE SURVEY AND THE DRAWINGS.
02:39:57PM IT ONLY HAS -- ISN'T IT TRUE THAT THE LETTER -- THE LETTER
02:40:08PM --
02:40:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WILL COME UP IN A SECOND.
02:40:24PM >>STEVEN EYSTER: FIRST PAGE OF THE LETTER.
02:40:25PM SECOND PAGE OF THE LETTER, A SURVEY.
02:40:28PM AT TWO FOOTPRINTS, THE EXISTING AND THE PROPOSED THE
02:40:57PM EXPANDED VERSION.
02:40:57PM >> CURRENT AND PROPOSED ELEVATION ONE FOLLOWED BY THE OTHER.
02:41:01PM >> BUT THAT'S IT.
02:41:02PM THOSE ARE THE ONLY PAGES THAT ARE PART OF THE LETTERS, IS
02:41:05PM THAT CORRECT?
02:41:08PM >> YES.
02:41:09PM >> ISN'T IT TRUE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THIS EXPANSION
02:41:23PM WHAT WAS BEFORE.
02:41:24PM >> I SEE THE ELEVATION OF THE GARAGE.
02:41:27PM >>THE EXPANSION.
02:41:27PM >> I WILL DIRECT TO THAT WE ARE RICK TO DECIDE IF THAT IS --
02:41:32PM >> STILL ON MY TIME.
02:41:33PM CAN WE GET ERIC --
02:41:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. COTTON IS ONLINE.
02:41:37PM ERIC, ARE YOU LISTENING TO THE QUESTION?
02:41:40PM >>ERIC COTTON: YES, SIR.
02:41:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SORRY, YOU ASK THE QUESTION.
02:41:44PM HE IS ON CAMERA.
02:41:47PM >>ERIC COTTON: I HEARD THE QUESTION.
02:41:48PM MR. STANLEY, I'M HERE.
02:41:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S WEAR NEW JUST IN CASE.
02:42:02PM >>ERIC COTTON: I WAS SWORN AT THE BEGINNING.
02:42:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
02:42:06PM >>ERIC COTTON: SO THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS AN
02:42:09PM EXPANSION OF THE BUILDING.
02:42:10PM AND NUMEROUS SITE PLANS SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE RECORD AND
02:42:18PM IT DOES APPEAR TO BE AN EXPANSION OF THE STRUCTURE AT THE
02:42:24PM FOOTPRINT, YES, IT DOES APPEAR TO BE THAT WAY.
02:42:27PM >> AND ISN'T IT TRUE THAT THE -- TURNING THE DIRT COURTYARD
02:42:33PM WITH TREE INTO A CONCRETE GARAGE IS AN EXPANSION OF THE
02:42:39PM FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING?
02:42:41PM >>ERIC COTTON: JUST STRICTLY LIFTING THE BUILDING UP AND
02:42:44PM PUTTING ANOTHER LEVEL ON THE BUILDING WOULD NOT BE AN
02:42:47PM EXPANSION -- EXPANSION OF THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING BUT
02:42:50PM NOT NECESSARILY OF THE NONCONFORMITY OF THE SETBACKS.
02:42:54PM >> BUT AN EXPANSION OF THE BUILDING?
02:42:57PM >>ERIC COTTON: CORRECT.
02:42:58PM >> OKAY.
02:43:01PM SO YOU ARE SAYING IT IS NOT AN EXPANSION OF THE
02:43:08PM NONCONFORMITY?
02:43:11PM >>ERIC COTTON: THE DISCUSSION FOR THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD
02:43:14PM WAS THE REQUIRED SETBACKS OF THE PROPERTY.
02:43:16PM SO THERE WAS A NONCONFORMITY THAT THE APPLICANT WAS TRYING
02:43:20PM TO CURE THROUGH A VARIANCE PROCESS.
02:43:23PM IT WAS THE EXTERIOR SETBACKS.
02:43:26PM SO THAT IS WHAT THE BOARD REVIEWED AND WHAT THE BOARD HAD
02:43:30PM APPROVED WAS A REDUCTION OF THE SETBACK FROM X TO Y FROM 45
02:43:37PM FEET TO A FOOT WHATEVER THE ACTUAL NUMBERS WERE.
02:43:39PM THAT WAS THE REQUEST BEFORE THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
02:43:44PM THE VARIANCE WOULD HAVE CURED THAT SETBACK ISSUE SO ANYTHING
02:43:48PM INTERIOR TO THE STRUCTURE WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE AN
02:43:51PM EXPANSION -- AN EXPANSION OF A NONCONFORMITY WITH REGARD TO
02:43:56PM THE SETBACK ISSUE.
02:43:56PM >> BUT AN EXPANSION OF THE BUILDING.
02:43:59PM ISN'T IT TRUE THAT BUILDING A GARAGE WHERE THE -- WHERE THE
02:44:03PM GRASS COURTYARD OUTSIDE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING IS AN
02:44:07PM A EXPANSION OF THE BUILDING?
02:44:09PM >>ERIC COTTON: CORRECT.
02:44:10PM I AM NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU ON THAT.
02:44:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:44:15PM >> THANK YOU.
02:44:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT UP, CROSS-EXAMINATION --
02:44:19PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:44:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF
02:44:22PM FOLLOWING ON THAT BECAUSE IT SAYS WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS.
02:44:24PM FOR MR. EYSTER OR MR. COTTON, WHOEVER CAN ANSWER THIS.
02:44:34PM AT THE END OF THE LAST PRESENTATION, IT BASICALLY -- OR ONE
02:44:37PM OF THE RULES FROM THE VARIANCE CLEARLY STATED THAT IF THE
02:44:45PM BUILDING WERE TO BE CONFIRMED, THE FOOTPRINT WOULD GO BACK
02:44:50PM OREGON THE QUARTERBACKS WILL GO BACK, CORRECT?
02:45:02PM >>STEVEN EYSTER: CORRECT.
02:45:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WOULD THEY GO BACK TO THE CITY'S REQUIRED
02:45:05PM SETBACKS OR WHAT IS VESTED NOW?
02:45:08PM >>STEVEN EYSTER: I BELIEVE WITH THE CONDITION ON THE RECORD
02:45:10PM BACK TO THE RM 24, WHICH IS 25 FRONT, 7 SIDES, AND 20
02:45:15PM REAR.
02:45:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM GOING TO ASK MR. COTTON.
02:45:21PM THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN VESTED THOUGH.
02:45:24PM CAN YOU TALK TO ME ABOUT THE VESTING OF THE BUILDING VERSES
02:45:29PM THE VESTING OF SETBACKS.
02:45:30PM FROM MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN I WAS ON THE VARIANCE REVIEW
02:45:34PM BOARD, ONCE YOU VEST A BUILDING, YOU ARE VESTING THE
02:45:36PM SETBACKS.
02:45:36PM >>ERIC COTTON: SO ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
02:45:42PM THE QUESTION IS -- THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS THE
02:45:45PM VARIANCE -- THE ORIGINAL WAS FOR A FORMAL DECISION THAT WAS
02:45:50PM MADE FOR BOTH THE NONCONFORMING STRUCTURE AS IT SITS TODAY
02:45:54PM BEFORE ANYTHING WAS -- WAS CONSIDERED BY THE VARIANCE REVIEW
02:45:58PM BOARD AND A NONCONFORMING USE WHICH IS THE NUMBER OF UNITS.
02:46:01PM THE FDN.
02:46:05PM THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS.
02:46:07PM THE BUILDING AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW IS A NONCONFORMING
02:46:10PM STRUCTURE.
02:46:10PM THAT CAN REMAIN LIKE THAT FOREVER, SO TO SPEAK.
02:46:14PM ALWAYS REMAIN AS A NONCONFORMING STRUCTURE AS LONG AS IT
02:46:17PM DOESN'T SUFFER DAMAGE UP TO 75% AND WHATEVER ELSE IS IN THE
02:46:21PM COULD HE HAD FOR THAT.
02:46:21PM WHAT THE APPLICANT CAME TO DO WAS TO RAISE THE BUILDING UP.
02:46:25PM THAT IS NO LONGER GRANDFATHERED IN OR A NONCONFORMING
02:46:29PM STRUCTURE, BECAUSE THE STRUCTURE ITSELF IS CHANGING TO THE
02:46:32PM HEIGHT THAT IS WHY THEY NEED TO ASK FOR THE VARIANCE FOR THE
02:46:41PM SETBACKS.
02:46:41PM BECAUSE THE STRUCTURE OF IT WAS CHANGING.
02:46:46PM WHEN THE VARIANCE WAS GRANTED BY THE VRB, THE STRUCTURE
02:46:52PM ITSELF WAS CONFORMING WITH THE REGULATIONS AT THAT MOMENT.
02:46:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT IT IS SAYING IS THAT IT IS CONFORMING,
02:46:58PM AND, SAY, A HURRICANE OR AN EARTHQUAKE OR A BOLT OF
02:47:02PM LIGHTNING HIT, AND THE BUILDING IS DESTROYED.
02:47:04PM THEY COULD BUILD IT BACK TO THE CURRENT VESTED SETBACKS OF
02:47:08PM ONE FOOT?
02:47:11PM >>ERIC COTTON: WELL, NO, IN THAT CONDITION THEY SELF-IMPOSED
02:47:14PM ON THEMSELVES THAT THE VRB ADOPTED SAID IF IT GOES AWAY
02:47:18PM WHICH MR. EYSTER JUST COMMENTED ON, IF THE BUILDING IS
02:47:24PM DESTROYED, THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE RM-24 STANDARDS.
02:47:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM ASKING ABOUT YOUR -- YOUR FORMAL
02:47:31PM DECISION?
02:47:32PM >>ERIC COTTON: THE ORIGINAL FORMAL DECISION, IF THAT
02:47:35PM BUILDING FELL DOWN TODAY, THEY HAVE TO PUT IT BACK TO
02:47:38PM THE RM-24 STANDARDS.
02:47:39PM BUT NOT --
02:47:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
02:47:43PM >>ERIC COTTON: NONCONFORMITIES GO AWAY AT THAT MOMENT.
02:47:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THOUGHT THAT, BUT I WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK.
02:47:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE?
02:47:50PM THANK YOU, SIR.
02:47:50PM MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ.
02:47:53PM NO, YOU ARE GOOD?
02:47:55PM ALL RIGHT, GO TO ITEM NUMBER 8 WHICH IS CROSS EXAMINATION BY
02:47:59PM THE APPLICANT, MR. MICHELINI OR THE REPRESENTATIVE, THE
02:48:02PM ATTORNEY.
02:48:02PM YES, SIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CROSS-EXAMINE ANYONE?
02:48:05PM >> YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MR. COTTON A QUICK QUESTION TO
02:48:08PM CONFIRM HIS TESTIMONY THAT HE JUST PROVIDED.
02:48:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: STATE YOUR NAME.
02:48:14PM >> BEN DACHEPELLI, BRADLEY ARANT BOULT CUMMINGS LAW
02:48:21PM FIRM ON BEHALF THE APPLICANT.
02:48:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
02:48:26PM >> MR. COTTON, EARLIER YOU TESTIFIED THAT THE EXPANSION --
02:48:30PM YOU HAD SAID THERE WAS NOT AN EXPANSION OF THE NONCONFORMITY
02:48:33PM SETBACK BASED ON THE VARIANCE, CORRECT?
02:48:36PM >>ERIC COTTON: YES, SIR.
02:48:37PM THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.
02:48:38PM >> OKAY.
02:48:39PM AND SO EVEN THOUGH -- EXPANSION OF THE NONCONFORMING SETBACK
02:48:42PM IS NOT ALLOWED AND THAT -- THAT IS THE CONDITION OF THE
02:48:45PM VARIANCE, CORRECT?
02:48:49PM >>ERIC COTTON: REPEAT -- I AM NOT SURE I UNDERSTOOD YOUR
02:48:52PM QUESTION JUST THEN.
02:48:53PM CAN YOU REPEAT THAT, PLEASE?
02:48:55PM >> YEAH.
02:48:55PM EARLIER YOU HAD TESTIFIED THERE WAS NOT AN EXPANSION OF THE
02:48:59PM NONCONFORMING SETBACK, CORRECT?
02:49:01PM >>ERIC COTTON: CORRECT.
02:49:02PM >> WITH THIS VARIANCE, CORRECT?
02:49:05PM >>ERIC COTTON: THE VARIANCE GRANTED A -- GRANTED REDUCTION
02:49:10PM OF SETBACKS TO MAKE THE STRUCTURE CONFORMING TO THE REQUIRED
02:49:14PM SETBACKS.
02:49:15PM >> OKAY.
02:49:15PM AND ALSO THE INTERIOR IS NOT CONSIDERED A PART OF THE
02:49:22PM EXPANSION OF THE FOOTPRINT, CORRECT?
02:49:24PM >> NO, I BELIEVE I SAID THAT THE FOOTPRINT WOULD NOT -- THE
02:49:29PM -- THE EXTENSION OF THE FOOTPRINT ON THE INTERIOR PART WOULD
02:49:33PM NOT AFFECT THE SETBACKS AS GRANTED BY THE VARIANCE REVIEW
02:49:37PM BOARDS.
02:49:37PM >> CORRECT.
02:49:38PM SO THAT DOES NOT EXPAND THE NONCONFORMING SETBACK, CORRECT?
02:49:43PM >>ERIC COTTON: CORRECT, YES, SIR.
02:49:44PM >> THANK YOU.
02:49:45PM NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
02:49:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS?
02:49:48PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:49:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. COTTON, THAT RAISES
02:49:52PM ANOTHER QUESTION FOR ME.
02:49:52PM SO THE INTERIOR DOESN'T COUNT.
02:49:55PM BUT BY LOOKING AT WHAT'S GOING TO BE LEFT OVER, THERE IS
02:50:01PM CONSIDERABLY OVER THE 50% PERMEABILITY SURFACE, CORRECT?
02:50:07PM >>ERIC COTTON: YES, MA'AM, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THEY DID
02:50:09PM NOT ASK FOR FROM THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
02:50:12PM THE BOARD HAS THE ABILITY TO GRANT A VARIANCE TO REQUIRE
02:50:18PM GREEN SPACE WHICH THEY WILL NOT MEET WITH THE CREATION OF
02:50:22PM THE NEW COURTYARD CONCEPT WHICH WILL BE CONCRETE.
02:50:25PM THEY HAVE TO DO THAT AND PREMITIGATION.
02:50:28PM THEY HAVE TO GO BACK BEFORE THE VRB TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.
02:50:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, OKAY.
02:50:34PM THANK YOU.
02:50:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
02:50:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. COTTON, WHAT ASK IS A HARDSHIP?
02:50:45PM IS A HARDSHIP SOMETHING YOU CREATE OR DONE BY NATURE.
02:50:48PM >>ERIC COTTON: I AM GOING TO TAKE A REALLY POLITICAL ANSWER
02:50:51PM AND SAY THE HARDSHIP IS DETERMINED BY THE VARIANCE REVIEW
02:50:55PM BOARD THROUGH THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD PROCESS.
02:50:58PM I -- WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN ANSWERS TO THAT QUESTION.
02:51:01PM I AM GLAD MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ IS UP THERE TO RESPOND.
02:51:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
02:51:07PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
02:51:11PM DEPARTMENT.
02:51:11PM THE FLORIDA COURT HAS A SET ANSWER.
02:51:13PM VARIANCE IS A CHARACTERISTIC ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF THAT
02:51:18PM MAKES IT EITHER DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY OR TO MAKE
02:51:22PM A REASONABLE USE OF THE PROPERTY.
02:51:23PM SO HARDSHIP -- I KNOW WE USE THE DETERMINE "PRACTICAL
02:51:28PM DIFFICULTY."
02:51:29PM THEY ARE SOMEWHAT INTERCHANGEABLE.
02:51:32PM BUT DEALS WITH A PHYSICAL CONDITION ON THE PROPERTY.
02:51:34PM SO -- SO SOMEONE -- SOMEONE'S PERSONAL THING THAT IS
02:51:39PM PERSONAL TO AN APPLICANT OR A PROPERTY OWNER CANNOT JUSTIFY
02:51:42PM A HARDSHIP, BECAUSE THESE THIS RINGS THAT -- I BELIEVE
02:51:46PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK ALLUDED TO, THEY RUN WITH THE LAND.
02:51:52PM THOSE ARE THE RULES, THEY RUN WITH THE LAND.
02:51:55PM HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, WE LIMIT THE VARIANCE APPROVALS
02:51:59PM TO A SITE PLAN.
02:52:00PM AND THAT MAKES THE SITE PLAN SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT FINES
02:52:06PM THE PARAMETER OF THE VARIANCE.
02:52:09PM IN ADDITION AND THE COROLLARY TO THE HARDSHIP IDEA, IT CAN'T
02:52:13PM BE SELF-CREATED.
02:52:14PM SOMETHING YOU NEED TO DO WITH A VARIANCE ARE THINGS YOU MAY
02:52:24PM CONSIDER WHETHER THEY ARE A SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP BECAUSE
02:52:28PM THOSE DO NOT JUSTIFY THE GRANTING OF A VARIANCE.
02:52:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?
02:52:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
02:52:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:52:35PM IF NOT, WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
02:52:38PM IF YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM, PASS IT ON TO OUR
02:52:43PM ATTORNEY.
02:52:43PM HE WILL READ OUT THE NAMES.
02:52:45PM YOU NEED TO BE PRESENT IF YOU ARE LISTED ON THAT FORM IN
02:52:48PM ORDER FOR THAT TIME TO COUNT.
02:52:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MISS ZOMERMAAND, I SEE, HAS SEVEN NAMES.
02:53:20PM LET ME FIND OUT WHO IS HERE.
02:53:22PM MISS McCASKILL.
02:53:28PM PAMELA COLPER.
02:53:32PM THANK YOU.
02:53:33PM SANDY SANCHEZ.
02:53:34PM THANK YOU.
02:53:35PM ADRIAN LARAMIE.
02:53:38PM THANK YOU.
02:53:38PM MARLA JAN LORENZO.
02:53:42PM THANK YOU.
02:53:42PM MICHELLE DIGIONI -- DID I SAY THAT CORRECTLY?
02:53:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
02:53:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MICHELLE DIGIONI?
02:53:53PM I DO NOT SEE MICHELLE HERE.
02:53:54PM LAST CALL?
02:53:56PM SPEAK UP, PLEASE, IF YOU WERE HERE.
02:53:58PM OKAY.
02:53:58PM FRAN SILCOX.
02:54:01PM FRAN SILCOX, ARE YOU HERE?
02:54:06PM LAST CALL FOR FRAN SILCOX.
02:54:10PM JAMES GARNESA.
02:54:13PM ARE YOU HERE?
02:54:14PM OKAY, LAST CALL FOR FRAN SILCOX.
02:54:22PM WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX --
02:54:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MARTHA JEAN LORENZO IS THERE.
02:54:30PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MICHELLE AND FRAN.
02:54:36PM ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX NAMES FOR A TOTAL OF NINE
02:54:41PM MINUTES.
02:54:41PM >> OKAY.
02:55:15PM IS IT TIME TO START?
02:55:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHEN YOU START.
02:55:17PM >> DEBBIE ZOMERMAAND.
02:55:23PM I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
02:55:24PM A DAVIS ISLAND RESIDENT AND CHAIRMAN -- THE ZONING
02:55:28PM CHAIRPERSON OF DAVIS ISLANDS CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
02:55:32PM DID EVERYBODY GET THE HANDOUT AS SOON AS OKAY, THANK YOU.
02:55:35PM I WILL START WITH HOUSEKEEPING THINGS FIRST.
02:55:37PM WHAT I HAVE GOT HERE IS THAT -- IGNORE EVERYTHING REGARDING
02:55:41PM FEMA.
02:55:41PM IT IS JUST A SMOKESCREEN BECAUSE THIS LIFT SOMETHING SOLELY
02:55:45PM FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING PARKING.
02:55:47PM NO FEMA REGULATIONS REQUIRING THIS CHANGE.
02:55:49PM THE ISSUES NOT SPECIFIC TO THIS PROPERTY.
02:55:52PM AND I WILL SHOW YOU AN EXAMPLE OF 45 DAVIS BOULEVARD, WHICH
02:55:55PM IS THE PALACE OF FLORENCE, WHICH IS -- THIS IS 16 DAVIS, 45
02:56:00PM DAVIS BOULEVARD IS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY.
02:56:03PM ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES
02:56:07PM YOU LOOK AT THE WINDOWS AND VENTS, SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR
02:56:11PM HEIGHTS.
02:56:11PM AND LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR FINISHED
02:56:16PM FLOOR AND NO EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD THAT THIS SUBSTANTIALLY
02:56:20PM BUILDING NEEDS TO BE LIFTED.
02:56:21PM THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE TO BE ADDRESSED VIA THE VARIANCE.
02:56:25PM WITH REGARD TO THE FEMA REGULATIONS, I SEE DAVE JENNINGS IS
02:56:29PM IN THE AUDIENCE.
02:56:29PM AND HE DID SPEAK TO THAT.
02:56:31PM AND I HAVE GOT TRANSCRIPTS.
02:56:33PM IF THE TRANSCRIPTS WERE RECORDED CORRECTLY, HE CONCURRED NO
02:56:38PM FEMA REGULATIONS THAT WERE FIRING THIS LIFT.
02:56:41PM FEEL FREE TO HAVE HIM CORRECT ANYTHING I MISSTATED.
02:56:44PM HERE IS 45 DAVIS.
02:56:46PM YOU CAN LOOK AT THE WINDOWS HERE AND THE VENTING.
02:56:50PM AND IF GO BACK TO THE DAVIS SITE THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR
02:56:55PM PACKET, SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR IN HEIGHT.
02:56:58PM WIKIPEDIA PAGES, HISTORICAL LISTING AND THE REFERENCES.
02:57:06PM NEXT HOUSEKEEPING HEARING I WANT TO SAY AT THE VARIANCE
02:57:10PM REVIEW BOARD AND MANY COMMUNICATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT,
02:57:13PM THERE WAS -- THERE WAS COMMENTS MADE THAT STAFF, LAND
02:57:17PM DEVELOPMENT STAFF, WAS MAKING THEM DO IT THIS WAY.
02:57:19PM I WANT TO PUT IN THIS E-MAIL FROM ERIC COTTON, THIS IS NOT
02:57:23PM LAND DEVELOPMENT MAKING THEM DO IT THIS WAY.
02:57:25PM YOU CAN CHECK THAT OUT WITH ERIC, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING THIS
02:57:28PM WAS THE APPLICANT'S PREFERENCE, NOT A REQUIREMENT FROM
02:57:32PM STAFF.
02:57:32PM ON THIS ONE HERE THERE WAS A VERY GREAT VARIANCE REVIEW
02:57:38PM BOARD WORKSHOP.
02:57:40PM SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ HAS THE HANDOUT AS WELL AS STEVEN AND
02:57:45PM EXCELLENT PRESENTERS IN THAT MEETING.
02:57:47PM IN THAT HANDOUT, IT SAYS COMPETENT EVIDENCE.
02:57:49PM WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON COMPETENT EVIDENCE.
02:57:52PM FACT-BASED SYSTEM AT A WORKSHOP VARIANCE.
02:57:56PM AND THEN NONCOMPETENT EVIDENCE IS LAYPERSON OPINIONS.
02:58:02PM TO THE FINAL ONE.
02:58:03PM ATTORNEYS OPINIONS.
02:58:05PM ATTORNEYS ADVOCATE AND NOT WITNESSES.
02:58:09PM THINGS PUT INTO THE RECORD TODAY BY THE APPLICANT'S
02:58:13PM ATTORNEY.
02:58:14PM BUT NO COMPREHENSIVE TINT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE
02:58:17PM RECORD.
02:58:18PM IT IS WHAT THEY ARE SAYING AND WHAT THEIR OPINIONS ARE.
02:58:20PM I DON'T THINK I NEED TO GREATLY GO INTO THE FACT THAT THE
02:58:25PM CODE DOES NOT MEET THE VARIANCE CRITERIA.
02:58:28PM WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT I DO HAVE THE TRANSCRIPTS FROM THE
02:58:32PM VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD MEETING WHEN THEY HELD THE WORK.
02:58:36PM SHOP.
02:58:36PM I GOT IT RIGHT HERE.
02:58:37PM I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PULL OUT ANY COMMENTS FROM HERE
02:58:40PM IF YOU WOULD LIKE, BUT THE EXAMPLE THAT MR. STANLEY USED
02:58:44PM WHEN YOU BUILDING A HOUSE AND NOT A GARAGE.
02:58:46PM IF YOU NEED A GARAGE, YOU SHOULD HAVE EITHER BOUGHT A HOUSE
02:58:49PM WITH A GARAGE OR SOMETHING -- A HOUSE THAT HAD ROOM FOR A
02:58:52PM GARAGE.
02:58:53PM THOSE WERE COMMENTS TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM WHAT MISS SUSAN
02:58:57PM JOHNSON-VELEZ SAID.
02:58:58PM AND I WOULD ASK HER TO GO ASK YOU -- ASK HER, YOU KNOW, DOES
02:59:04PM THIS MEET THE CRITERIA OF A SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP.
02:59:07PM THAT EXAMPLE I JUST GAVE.
02:59:09PM SHE SAID IN THE WORKSHOP THAT DOES NOT COUNT AS A
02:59:12PM SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP.
02:59:13PM WE ABSOLUTELY THINK THAT -- YOU KNOW, THEY KNEW WHAT THEY
02:59:17PM WERE BUYING.
02:59:17PM THEY BOUGHT THE LAND.
02:59:19PM THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.
02:59:20PM 22 UNITS ON THE SITE.
02:59:21PM I BELIEVE THE SITE CAN ONLY HOLD SEVEN UNITS.
02:59:24PM LIKE A RS-75 OCCUPANCY USE ON A RM-24 SITE WITH NO PARKING.
02:59:31PM ABSOLUTELY I BELIEVE THIS IS A SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP.
02:59:36PM FROM ALL THE OTHER COMMENTS THERE ARE DOES NOT MEET THE
02:59:39PM REQUIREMENTS FOR THE VARIANCE.
02:59:41PM WE GET INTO THE NONCONFORMITY SECTION.
02:59:44PM AS RESIDENTS, THESE ARE PROTECTIONS WE HAVE IN THE CODE.
02:59:49PM WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO RELY ON THIS.
02:59:51PM AND YOU KNOW, IT DOES NOT MEET THE NONCONFORMING SECTION AND
02:59:56PM I WILL READ RIGHT NOW, A NONCONFORMING USE MAY NOT BE IN
02:59:59PM LARGE EXTENDED AND INTENSIFIED EXCEPT FOR A CHANGE TO A USE
03:00:03PM IN THE DIRECT -- IN THE DISTRICT OF WHICH THE PROPERTY IS
03:00:06PM LOCATED EXCEPT AS PROVIDED BELOW.
03:00:08PM A NONCONFORMING USE SHALL NOT BE EXTENDED THROUGH PORTIONS
03:00:12PM OF A BUILDING MANIFESTLY ARRANGED.
03:00:15PM AND A NONCONFORMING USE CANNOT EXTEND TO OCCUPY LAND OUTSIDE
03:00:19PM SUCH BUILDING AND ANY ADDITIONAL BUILDING NOT USED FOR SUCH
03:00:23PM NONCONFORMING USE AT THE TIME THE NONCONFORMING STATUS WAS
03:00:27PM ESTABLISHED.
03:00:27PM WE THINK IT IS CRYSTAL CLEAR YOU CAN'T EXTEND THIS USE INTO
03:00:35PM THE BUILDING AND THE BUILDING CAN'T GET ANY BIGGER.
03:00:38PM AND I HAVE IN THE RECORD IN THE NONCONFORMING SECTIONS.
03:00:42PM I CAN GO BACK OVER HERE.
03:00:44PM I HIGHLIGHTED NOTES THROUGH THE NONCONFORMING SECTIONS WHERE
03:00:47PM WE THINK THIS IS IN VIOLATION THE NONCONFORMING SECTIONS,
03:00:50PM AND, THEREFORE, IT DOES NOT PROTECT OUR INTERESTS AT ALL.
03:00:54PM IT ACTUALLY DENIES US OUR RIGHTS UNDER THE LAND DEVELOPMENT
03:01:01PM CODE.
03:01:01PM NOW THIS IS REALLY INTERESTING.
03:01:06PM THIS IS ALL FOR PRESERVATION, RIGHT.
03:01:09PM SO WHAT I DID -- AND THE NEXT SECTION -- AND I BELIEVE
03:01:13PM COUNCILPERSON HURTAK, THIS WILL ADDRESS SOME OF YOUR
03:01:16PM QUESTIONS.
03:01:16PM I PUT IN THERE WHEN THEY BOUGHT IT.
03:01:18PM THIS PROPERTY HAS WORKED FINE UNTIL THIS OWNER BOUGHT IT.
03:01:21PM YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE ACROSS FROM THERE.
03:01:24PM I HAVE BEEN ON THE ISLAND OVER 20 YEARS, IT WAS OCCUPIED.
03:01:29PM I WENT TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S RECORDS AND IN MAY OF
03:01:33PM 2022, IT LISTED THAT THE PROPERTY WAS 96% OCCUPIED.
03:01:37PM IT APPEARS THAT REASONABLE USE IS NOT AN ISSUE I STARTED
03:01:43PM COLOR CODING THINGS TO SHOW WHAT IS GOING TO CHANGE AND
03:01:47PM SORRY MY ARTWORK IS NOT VERY GOOD LOOKS AT A FIRST-GRADER --
03:01:52PM I AM NOT AS GOOD AS A FIRST-GRADER.
03:01:54PM EVERYTHING IN GREEN ARE THINGS THAT ARE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES.
03:01:57PM IF YOU LOOK ON THIS SITE RIGHT HERE, YOU GOT SIGNIFICANT
03:02:00PM MASS DOWN HERE THAT WILL BE RIGHT UP AGAINST THE STREET.
03:02:03PM AND ALL THOSE Xs, THOSE ARE WINDOWS THAT WILL BE GONE.
03:02:07PM WE ARE NOT SURE IT WILL MEET HISTORIC PRESERVATION
03:02:10PM STANDARDS.
03:02:10PM OVER HERE, AGAIN LOOK AT ALL THE WINDOWS, LOSING A WINDOW
03:02:16PM FROM A DOUBLE WINDOW ON THEIR SITE PLAN.
03:02:18PM I WENT TO THEIR SITE PLAN AND COPIED OUT WHERE IT SAID A
03:02:25PM WINDOW WILL BE BLOCKED HERE IS THE FRONT COURTYARD WILL HAVE
03:02:29PM THIS WHOLE HUGE CONTEMPORARY LOOKING ELEVATOR AND THEN WHERE
03:02:37PM I MARKED EVERYTHING UP ON THE INDIVIDUAL PARTS OF THE PLAN.
03:02:40PM BUT IF YOU COME OVER HERE AND LOOK AT THIS.
03:02:45PM IF YOU LOOK ON THESE PAGES, YOU CAN SEE --
03:02:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: UPSIDE DOWN.
03:02:53PM >> IT HAS ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED THAT THE FOOTPRINT WILL GO
03:02:57PM FURTHER OUT TO THE STREET.
03:02:59PM LOOK AT THAT GLASS ENCLOSURE.
03:03:01PM APPEARS TO BE GLASS ENCLOSURE.
03:03:03PM I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE, BUT COMPARE THAT CIRCLE TO WHAT
03:03:06PM IS RIGHT ABOVE.
03:03:07PM LOOK HERE WHERE YOU GOT THE -- THREE OR FOUR WINDOWS WITH
03:03:11PM THE SMALL ROOF DOWN THERE.
03:03:12PM THAT IS BEING EXPANDED.
03:03:14PM THEY ARE MAKE A LOT OF CHANGES THIS RIGHT HERE WILL SMELL
03:03:20PM YOU WHERE WINDOWS ARE BEING X'ED OUT.
03:03:23PM WE DON'T KNOW IT WILL BE HISTORIC OR ANY REQUIREMENT IT WILL
03:03:27PM REMAIN HISTORIC AFTER THIS IS DONE.
03:03:29PM WE THINK THIS IS A HUGE ISSUE SAND VERY PROBLEMATIC THEN
03:03:39PM HOUSING AFFORDABILITY.
03:03:40PM I THINK YOU ALTHOUGH I HAVE BEEN IN THE AREA HOUSING FINANCE
03:03:43PM FOR 30 YEARS.
03:03:44PM I AM A MUNICIPAL FINANCIAL ADVISOR FOR A LARGE COUNTY IN THE
03:03:47PM STATE OF FLORIDA.
03:03:48PM I HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR THEM OVER 40 YEARS.
03:03:50PM AND BEFORE THAT, I WORKED WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING
03:03:54PM DEVELOPERS.
03:03:54PM TAMPA GENERAL HOSPITAL IS 3/10 OF A MILE FROM THIS SITE.
03:03:59PM WE HAVE GOT A HUGE, HUGE TENANT BASED ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING
03:04:12PM CRISIS FOR TAMPA GENERAL TO BUILD ITS OWN.
03:04:14PM IT SEEMS LIKE AND HAVE HOUSING THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR
03:04:22PM RESIDENTS THAT ARE LESS CAR DEPENDENT IN A NORMAL COMMUNITY.
03:04:26PM MAY I HAVE ONE MORE MINUTE, PLEASE?
03:04:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
03:04:29PM >> THANK YOU MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
03:04:32PM >> THANK YOU.
03:04:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHO IS NEXT?
03:04:34PM BATTER UP.
03:04:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SHE COMPLETED HER TIME.
03:04:52PM THIS WASN'T SUBMITTED TO ME AT THE START OF THE HEARING.
03:04:54PM IS THAT A NAME THAT WASN'T CALLED?
03:04:57PM >> I DON'T --
03:04:59PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHOSE NAME IS THAT?
03:05:01PM >> LINDA TISCHNER.
03:05:03PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: LINDA TISCHNER IS NOT ON THE ORIGINAL LIST
03:05:09PM WHEN I GAVE THE NAMES.
03:05:10PM >> WHO DO YOU HAVE ON THE ORIGINAL LIST MR. SHELBY THAT WAS
03:05:22PM HANDED THAT YOU READ OFF.
03:05:23PM THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL LIST.
03:05:24PM WHERE DID THE NEW COME FROM.
03:05:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT IS NOT HOW IT WORKS.
03:05:40PM >> I WILL RESPECT THE BOARD.
03:05:42PM I WILL CONVEY MY POINTS.
03:05:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I AM NOT ACCEPTING IT.
03:05:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:05:48PM WHO IS THE NEXT SPEAKER.
03:05:50PM >> LINDA TISCHMAN IS HERE.
03:06:02PM HELLO.
03:06:03PM THANK YOU.
03:06:04PM HARUN ILIAS.
03:06:11PM AND ALISON DATE.
03:06:13PM MISS BENNETT HAVE THREE ADDITIONAL MINUTES FOR SIX MINUTES.
03:06:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:06:18PM STATE YOUR NAME.
03:06:20PM >> HI, CARROLL ANN BENNETT, A LIFE-LONG TAMPA RESIDENT.
03:06:24PM I DID NOT THINK THIS IS PROPERLY A VARIANCE.
03:06:26PM PERHAPS IT SHOULD BE A REZONING, I DON'T KNOW.
03:06:28PM BUT STAFF DID NOT CONSIDER MANY IMPORTANT CODE REQUIREMENTS.
03:06:32PM AND THE VRB SPECIFICALLY SAID THEY COULD NOT CONSIDER MANY
03:06:36PM IMPORTANT CODE REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS TREE RETENTION, GREEN
03:06:40PM SPACE AND THE ALLOWED OF PERVIOUS SERVICE.
03:06:43PM THIS BEAUTIFUL TREE WILL BE DESTROYED AND NO ROOM FOR TREE
03:06:51PM MITIGATION.
03:06:51PM MORE MONEY WILL BE ADDED TO THE TREE TRUST FUND THAT THE
03:06:54PM CITY CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO SPEND AND NOT RESULTING IN MORE
03:06:57PM TREES.
03:06:58PM A SO-CALLED GREEN ROOF THAT THEY SAY THEY ARE GOING TO DO
03:07:03PM DOES NOT SATISFY CODE REQUIREMENTS AND NOT PERMEABLE.
03:07:05PM SAID THAT THESE AND OTHER ISSUE ALSO BE MAGICALLY RESOLVED
03:07:10PM AT PERMITTING.
03:07:11PM MY GUESS IS THEY WILL BE RESOLVED WHEN THIS BUILDING WILL BE
03:07:15PM DAMAGED WHEN THEY TRY TO LIFT IT AND BUILD A NEW BUILDING
03:07:18PM WITH ONE-FOOT SETBACKS.
03:07:19PM BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY, VARIANCES RUN WITH THE
03:07:22PM LAND, AND A FUTURE OWNER COULD CONTEST ANY RESTRICTIONS THAT
03:07:26PM CONFLICT TO ESTABLISHED VARIANCE LAW AND PRACTICE.
03:07:29PM IF A FUTURE OWNER SUES THE CITY OVER THIS, WILL THE CITY
03:07:33PM CHOOSE TO SPEND TIME AND RESOURCES IN A COURT OF LAW?
03:07:36PM DO WE WANT OUR TIME AND RESOURCES SPENT THIS WAY WHEN YOU
03:07:40PM CAN JUST DENY THE IMPROPER ILLEGAL VARIANCE.
03:07:43PM A LOT OF MONEY TO BE MADE IF THEY GET A ONE-FOOT SETBACK.
03:07:46PM SO A SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL INCENTIVE FOR FUTURE OWNER TO
03:07:50PM FIGHT FOR THE NORMAL LEGAL PRACTICE THAT VARIANCES RUN WITH
03:07:53PM THE LAND.
03:07:54PM I DON'T KNOW THE RATING OF THE CURRENT OAK TREE AND THE
03:07:57PM COURT ADD, EVEN IF IN GOOD CONDITION, ROOM TO PLAN A NEW LIVE
03:08:02PM OAK THAT CAN HAPPEN IF YOU APPROVE THE VARIANCE.
03:08:04PM A LOVELY PERMEABLE SURFACE THAT MITIGATES FLOODING THIS LAND
03:08:11PM WILL BE TREELESS.
03:08:11PM A CRAWL SPACE UNDER THE WHERE THAT WATER WITH FLOW AND BEST
03:08:17PM PRACTICES FOR FLOODING.
03:08:17PM THEY OFFER FLOODING DISCOUNTS.
03:08:19PM I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT BECAUSE I GET THE DISCOUNT ON MY
03:08:22PM HOME.
03:08:23PM THAT SURFACE IS 100% PERMEABLE.
03:08:25PM IF THIS PERMIT IS APPROVED, IT WILL BE 100% IMPERMEABLE.
03:08:32PM ADDITIONAL PERMITS FOR PERVIOUS AND GREEN SPACE.
03:08:35PM VARIANCE REQUIRES THEM TO COMPLY WITH ALL OF CHAPTER 27, NOT
03:08:38PM JUST SOME OF CHAPTER 27.
03:08:40PM 27-292 SAYS THE INTENT OF THIS CHAPTER THAT NONCONFORMITY
03:08:45PM WILL NOT BE USED AS GROUNDS FOR ADDITION OF STRUCTURES OR
03:08:50PM ENLARGING OF EXPANSION EXPANSION.
03:08:53PM NOT COMPLYING WITH 27-292.
03:08:55PM THEY ARE LAUNCHING THE BUILDING BY TURNING A GRASS COURTYARD
03:08:58PM INTO A GARAGE THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE VESTED FOOTPRINT AND
03:09:02PM NOT REQUESTED A VARIANCE FOR 27-292.
03:09:04PM IN ADDITION, THEY WILL HAVE TO REQUEST ADDITIONAL VARIANCE
03:09:08PM FOR IMPERVIOUS SURFACES AND GREEN SPACES AND HAVE NOT
03:09:11PM REQUESTED THOSE.
03:09:12PM THEY WILL HAVE TO REQUEST ALL OF THE VARIANCES OF ONE TIME.
03:09:15PM FLORIDA LAW IS CLEAR.
03:09:16PM THAT A MERE ECONOMIC DAMAGE OR THE OWNER'S MERE PRESENCE IS
03:09:22PM NOT SUFFICIENT TO CONSTITUTE A HARDSHIP EN TITLING THE OWNER
03:09:27PM TO A VARIANCE.
03:09:28PM A HARDSHIP IS WHERE THE PROPERTY IS VIRTUALLY UNUSABLE OR
03:09:37PM INCAPABLE OF YIELDING REASONABLE RETURN AND HARDSHIP NEWS BE
03:09:42PM UNRELATED TO THE EXPECTATIONS OF THEIR OWNERS.
03:09:44PM THEY BOUGHT THIS IN 2022.
03:09:46PM THESE APARTMENTS ARE CURRENTLY YIELDING A REASONABLE RETURN
03:09:50PM AND SERVE A WONDERFUL PURPOSE.
03:09:52PM THEY ARE PERFECT FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT A CAR.
03:09:55PM THE CITY IS UNDER PRESSURE FOR A LOT PRESSURE TO REDUCE
03:10:01PM PARKING BECAUSE WE NEED MORE PEOPLE WITH CAR-FREE OR
03:10:04PM CAR-REDUCED LIFESTYLE.
03:10:06PM THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX IS REASONABLY SUCCESSFUL AND HAVE
03:10:09PM REASONABLE USE.
03:10:09PM I WOULD ARGUE MORE THAN REASONABLE USE BECAUSE ALLOW A MUCH
03:10:13PM GREATER DENSITY AND MORE UNITS THAN THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED BY
03:10:16PM A CONFORMING STRUCTURE.
03:10:17PM THEY HAVE REASONABLE USE.
03:10:18PM WHAT THEY DON'T HAVE IS EXTRA PROFIT BY HAVING UNITS WITH
03:10:22PM THE AMENITY OF A GARAGE OR THE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL OF AN
03:10:28PM APARTMENT COMPLEX WITH A ONE-FOOT SETBACK IF THIS BUILDING
03:10:30PM IS ACCIDENTALLY DESTROYED.
03:10:32PM THEY WANT A GARAGE TO MAKE MORE MONEY.
03:10:34PM THAT IS NOT LEGAL HARDSHIP.
03:10:37PM VARIANCE LAW IS CLEAR.
03:10:38PM WANT A GARAGE IS NOT A HARDSHIP, EVEN IF YOU LIKE THE
03:10:42PM PROJECT.
03:10:43PM IT MUST NOT BE APPROVED BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MEET THE LEGAL
03:10:46PM REQUIREMENTS FOR A VARIANCE.
03:10:47PM PLEASE APPROVE THE APPEAL AND DENY THE VARIANCE.
03:10:50PM THANK YOU.
03:10:51PM AND I AM GOING TO SUBMIT THIS FOR THE RECORD.
03:10:53PM MY CITATIONS AND THE SOURCE OF MY CITATIONS.
03:10:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:10:59PM WHO IS NEXT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
03:11:01PM YES, MA'AM.
03:11:02PM DO YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM AS WELL?
03:11:06PM >> PARDON?
03:11:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM AS
03:11:09PM WELL?
03:11:09PM >> NO.
03:11:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
03:11:11PM COME ON UP AND STATE YOUR NAME.
03:11:13PM YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
03:11:14PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, LORRAINE PARRINO.
03:11:17PM I LIVED ON DAVIS ISLAND SINCE 1977.
03:11:21PM I CHAIR THE DAVIS ISLAND SAVE ASSOCIATION TREE PROTECTION
03:11:25PM AND RESTORATION COMMITTEE.
03:11:28PM SINCE 2016, I CHAIRED THAT.
03:11:30PM I REALLY CAME HERE TO DONATE SOME MINUTES, BUT SINCE SHE
03:11:34PM DIDN'T NEED ANY, I AM GOING TO SPEAK KIND OF IMPROMPTU.
03:11:38PM MY MAIN CONCERN IS THAT -- I LOOK AT THAT BEAUTIFUL BUILDING
03:11:41PM WHEN I COME ON TO THE ISLAND EVERY TIME I LEAVE IT.
03:11:44PM AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT PRESERVED THE WAY IT IS.
03:11:47PM MR. STANLEY -- ANOTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS THAT MR. STANLEY
03:11:54PM STATED THAT THIS IS A VERY DANGEROUS CORNER.
03:11:58PM IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN TO THE WEST SIDE OF DAVIS BOULEVARD
03:12:01PM TRYING TO TURN LEFT, YOU KNOW, TO EXIT THE ISLAND, YOU WILL
03:12:06PM SEE HOW DANGEROUS AND DIFFICULT IT IS.
03:12:08PM I WOULD NEVER WANT TO LIVE ON THAT SIDE OF THE -- OF DAVIS
03:12:13PM BOULEVARD BECAUSE I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE TURNING LEFT.
03:12:16PM AND RIGHT THERE IS -- WHERE THIS BUILDING IS LOCATED IS
03:12:20PM WHERE THE CARS ARE COMING ON TO DAVIS ISLAND ALL THE TIME.
03:12:24PM SO I IMAGINE ADDING 22 OR 40 EXTRA SPACES AND ALL THOSE
03:12:30PM PEOPLE TRYING TO TURN LEFT WHILE OTHER PEOPLE ARE COMING ON
03:12:33PM TO THE ISLAND.
03:12:34PM AND I THINK ESPECIALLY IN PEAK-HOUR TRAFFIC TIMES AND IN
03:12:40PM CASE OF AN EMERGENCY EVACUATION.
03:12:42PM IT WOULD BE A REAL PROBLEM.
03:12:45PM AS FAR AS I KNOW, ALMOST NONE OF THE BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC
03:12:49PM MEDITERRANEAN-STYLE BUILDINGS CONSTRUCTED ON DAVIS ISLAND
03:12:54PM CONSTRUCTED IN THE 1920s ARE HISTORICALLY PRESERVED AND WE
03:12:59PM LOST TOO MANY OF THEM ALREADY.
03:13:00PM EVEN D.P. DAVIS'S HOME THAT WAS BUILT -- WHEN DAVIS ISLAND
03:13:05PM WAS CONSTRUCTED, IT IS RECENTLY UP FOR SALE AND
03:13:11PM THEORETICALLY WHOEVER BUY IT IS CAN TEAR IT DOWN.
03:13:14PM WE NODE TO SAVE OUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS WHENEVER HE THE
03:13:18PM OPPORTUNITY TO.
03:13:19PM THIS BEAUTIFUL BUILDING WAS FULLY OCCUPIED BEFORE IT WAS
03:13:24PM PURCHASED IN 1921.
03:13:25PM DAVIS ISLAND THIS YEAR IS CELEBRATING ITS 100-YEAR
03:13:29PM ANNIVERSARY.
03:13:29PM AND THE DAVIS ISLAND CIVIC ASSOCIATION OPPOSED THIS
03:13:34PM VARIANCE.
03:13:34PM AS A THIRD-GENERATION TAMPA RESIDENT WHO SEEN TAMPA LOSE
03:13:39PM MUCH TOO MUCH OF THE CHARM AND AMBIENCE THAT I GREW UP TO
03:13:44PM NEW CONSTRUCTION, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS 100-YEAR-OLD
03:13:47PM BUILDING PRESERVED FOR FUTURE USE.
03:13:50PM AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT RETURNED TO ITS FORMER USE.
03:13:53PM FOR ALL THE REASONS STATED ABOVE AND FOR THE CONTINUED
03:13:56PM BEAUTIFUL, AMBIENCE AND THE SAFETY OF DAVIS ISLAND, PLEASE
03:14:02PM APPROVE THE APPEAL AND DENY THE VARIANCE.
03:14:05PM THANK YOU.
03:14:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
03:14:14PM NEXT SPEAKER.
03:14:16PM A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
03:14:21PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: HOLD ON A SECOND.
03:14:22PM CATHERINE HERE.
03:14:24PM ONE ADDITIONAL MINUTE.
03:14:26PM FOUR MINUTES.
03:14:27PM >> MARIAN HANLON.
03:14:31PM MY FAMILY OWNS THE BUILDING RIGHT BEHIND 16 DAVIS AT 20
03:14:35PM DAVIS BOULEVARD.
03:14:35PM I JUST WANT TO HIT ON SOME POINTS.
03:14:38PM I WILL READ REAL FAST.
03:14:39PM WE HAVE 20 RESIDENTS LIVING AT 20 DAVIS WHICH IS DIRECTLY
03:14:43PM BEHIND VILLA DeLEON.
03:14:45PM OUR BUILDING STAYS 100% OCCUPIED TEN UNIT, TWO BEDROOM, TWO
03:14:52PM BATH UNIT.
03:14:53PM OUR BUILDING HAS NEVER FLOODED SINCE 1963.
03:14:55PM WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A RENTAL BUILDING SINCE NEXT TO THE
03:14:59PM BUILDING.
03:14:59PM WE HAVE PLUMBING THAT GOES STRAIGHT DOWN THE -- IN BETWEEN
03:15:02PM THE TWO BUILDINGS RIGHT THERE WHICH I AM CONCERNED.
03:15:05PM AT THE LAST MEETING THE CITY CONSULTANT SAID VIBRATIONS DUE
03:15:16PM TO THE LIFTING PROCESS.
03:15:17PM HOW LONG WILL THE PROCESS BE?
03:15:19PM THE DEVELOPER GUARANTEE US THE POSSIBLE LOSS OF INCOME,
03:15:22PM DAMAGE TO OUR BUILDING AND OUR RESIDENTS' SAFETY?
03:15:25PM HOW WILL THEY GUARANTEE THIS?
03:15:27PM HE SAID HE HAS INSURANCE FOR THIS.
03:15:28PM BUT, YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING YET.
03:15:31PM I WANT TO GUARANTEE THAT MY RESIDENTS WILL BE SAFE AND
03:15:41PM GUARANTEED DURING THIS PROCESS.
03:15:43PM WILL THE DEVELOPER PUT SOMETHING BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS?
03:15:47PM YOU KNOW, I AM JUST NERVOUS -- THIS BUILDING IS JACKED UP ON
03:15:52PM THESE JACKS, WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN?
03:15:54PM I AM RIGHT THERE.
03:15:55PM I AM JUST EXTREMELY NERVOUS OF THE SITUATION.
03:15:58PM I DO NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE UNLESS GIVEN WRITTEN GUARANTEES
03:16:01PM AND ASSURANCES AND WRITING FROM THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER
03:16:04PM THAT THE DRAINAGE, SAFETY OF MY RESIDENTS AND BUILDING WILL
03:16:07PM BE PROTECTED.
03:16:08PM I REALLY THINK CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS NEED TO BE IN PLACE
03:16:10PM BEFORE SOMETHING OF THIS MAGNITUDE IS ALLOWED.
03:16:13PM I AM JUST -- YOU KNOW, I JUST FEEL THAT -- HE IS PUTTING HIS
03:16:17PM NEIGHBORS AT RISK.
03:16:18PM AND CREATING THE HARDSHIP ON US NOW.
03:16:21PM HE SAYS IT IS DUE TO FLOODING, BUT I NEVER HAD ONE APARTMENT
03:16:26PM FLOOD SINCE WE BUILT THE BUILDING.
03:16:31PM ALSO WITH THE CEMENT GARAGE, HOW IS HE DOING THE
03:16:35PM VENTILATION?
03:16:35PM I HAVE BACK DOORS.
03:16:36PM I HAVE WINDOWS.
03:16:37PM IS EXHAUST GOING TO BE COME ING INTO TO MY BUILDING?
03:16:47PM I NEED HELP AND MAKE SURE THAT MY PROPERTY IS PROTECTED.
03:16:51PM THANK YOU.
03:16:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT SPEAKER.
03:17:06PM >> I WAS NOT SWORN IN.
03:17:08PM I AM SORRY.
03:17:08PM I WAS LOOKING FOR PARKING.
03:17:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT IS ALL RIGHT.
03:17:11PM IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN SWORN IN AND YOU ARE SPEAKING, PLEASE
03:17:13PM STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND WE WILL SWEAR YOU IN.
03:17:16PM >> I DO.
03:17:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: STATE YOUR NAME.
03:17:25PM >> LINDA MISNER, AT 55 ADALIA.
03:17:29PM I LIVED ON ADALIA FOR EVERY 30 YEARS.
03:17:33PM I OWN MULTIPLE PROPERTIES IN SOUTH TAMPA AND DAVIS ISLAND
03:17:37PM AND I OWN A 100-YEAR-OLD STRUCTURE.
03:17:39PM I WENT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WITH MR. SLESINGLER.
03:17:44PM I WANT TO QUOTE HIS EXACT WORDS WHEN WE ASKED HIM WHY HE
03:17:48PM NEEDED THIS VARIANCE.
03:17:49PM HE SAID IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, I WANT THE RIGHT TO BUILD IT
03:17:52PM BACK.
03:17:52PM HIS EXACT WORDS.
03:17:54PM SO LET'S NOT PRETEND THAT THEY WON'T TRY TO KEEP THIS
03:17:58PM VARIANCE IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THAT BUILDING.
03:18:00PM IF A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE IS DAMAGED THEY WANT THE RIGHT TO
03:18:06PM BUILD IT BACK.
03:18:06PM THEY WANT TO MAINTAIN THE ONE-FOOT SIDE SETBACKS AND WANT TO
03:18:10PM MAINTAIN THIS DENSITY.
03:18:12PM OKAY, THAT IS GREAT.
03:18:14PM BUT YOU KNOW WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO AT THE EXPENSE OF THE
03:18:17PM STREET AND THE NEIGHBORS AND THE FLOODING AND THE PERMEABLE
03:18:20PM LAND THAT IS JUST KIND OF RIDICULOUS.
03:18:23PM BEN SAID HE HAVEN'T HEARD A SINGLE NEIGHBOR SPEAK AGAINST
03:18:29PM THE PARKING.
03:18:31PM THE THIRD TIME HE HEARD ME SPEAK AND I HAVE TWO LETTERS ON
03:18:35PM RECORD WITH THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD AS A NEIGHBOR I AM
03:18:38PM AGAINST THIS PARKING STRUCTURE.
03:18:39PM SO I KNOW HE HAS HEARD NEIGHBORS SPEAK AGAINST THIS PARK.
03:18:43PM OKAY, SO I AM STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY THE VARIANCE
03:18:46PM REVIEW BOARD APPROVED THE VARIANCE.
03:18:48PM I WAS AT THAT MEETING.
03:18:49PM I SPOKE AT THAT MEETING.
03:18:50PM I SAW THEM HAND A NEW SITE PLAN OVER IN THE MEETING.
03:18:57PM AND IN THE MEETING WITHOUT EVERYBODY REVIEWING IT FROM THE
03:18:59PM CITY.
03:19:00PM WITHOUT EVERYBODY LOOKING AT IT WITHOUT THE VRB SAYING IT
03:19:10PM WAS DIFFERENT FROM THE ONE IN THE APPLICATION.
03:19:11PM THEY VOTED ON IT AND IMPROVED IT.
03:19:13PM HOW DO THEY DO THAT?
03:19:15PM AGAINST THEIR OWN RULES AND REGULATIONS.
03:19:17PM THEY VOTED ON A SITE PLAN HANDED TO THEM IN THE MEETING.
03:19:21PM THAT RIGHT THERE SHOULD TELL US ALL IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN
03:19:23PM APPROVED.
03:19:24PM OKAY, SO THEN, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE HARDSHIP.
03:19:27PM THEY -- I HEARD THEM SAY FEMA IS MAKING THEM DO IT.
03:19:30PM THE INSURANCE IS MAKING THEM DO IT.
03:19:32PM IT FLOODS.
03:19:33PM KNOW WHAT?
03:19:35PM IT DOESN'T FLOOD.
03:19:36PM THEY DO NOTHING TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY HONESTLY, BUT FEMA
03:19:39PM IS NOT MAKING THEM DO THIS.
03:19:42PM THIS IS A SELF-IMPOSED HARDSHIP.
03:19:44PM THEY WANT MORE PARKING.
03:19:46PM THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO RENT THOSE APARTMENTS FOR MORE THAN
03:19:50PM WHAT THEY ARE RENTING THEM FOR.
03:19:52PM THEY WANT MORE PARKING.
03:19:54PM THEY HAVE NO PARKING SPACES.
03:19:57PM THEY HAVE NO PROPERTY.
03:19:58PM THEY BOUGHT THE LAND NEXT DOOR AND THEY PUT SHELVES ON IT
03:20:02PM AND TRIED TO USE IT AS PARKING AND GOT IN TROUBLE FOR THAT.
03:20:05PM SO THEY DO NOT NEED THIS.
03:20:07PM TO SAY THEY ARE NOT CHANGING THE FOOTPRINT HAVE WRONG.
03:20:12PM THEY HAVE A HORSESHOE, TREES AND GRASS AND PERMEABLE LAND
03:20:15PM AND CLOSE THAT HORSE SHOE AND PUT A PARKING STRUCK UNDER IT
03:20:21PM THAT IS FULLY CEMENT AND CLOSED.
03:20:23PM CHANGING THE FOOTPRINT CAUSING ADDITIONAL FLOODING AT AN
03:20:26PM ALREADY DANGEROUS INTERSECTION.
03:20:29PM THEY WILL ADD MORE CARS.
03:20:30PM AS A NEIGHBOR, WE DON'T WANT THIS.
03:20:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:20:33PM >> THANK YOU.
03:20:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT SPEAKER.
03:20:36PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
03:20:37PM YES, MA'AM.
03:20:38PM >> MY NAME IS PEG DAVIS.
03:20:42PM BLANCA AVENUE ON DAVIS ISLAND, AND I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
03:20:46PM MY CONCERN IS THAT THIS -- THE NONCONFORMING LANGUAGE
03:20:50PM APPLIES TO THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.
03:20:52PM AND ALL THE DIAGRAMS WE SAW FROM PREVIOUS LISTS DIDN'T HAVE
03:21:00PM ANYTHING UNDERNEATH WHEN THEY LIFTED UP HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
03:21:04PM SO BASICALLY TWO DIFFERENT STRUCTURES GOING ON HERE.
03:21:07PM THE NONCONFORMING THAT IS BEING LIFTED.
03:21:09PM AND THEN A NEW PARKING GARAGE THAT GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE
03:21:13PM LIMITS OF THE LOTS WHEN YOU DO THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY
03:21:19PM DIDN'T CONSIDER AT THE HAVE,RB MEETING, THE PUBLIC WELFARE
03:21:24PM OF THE STREET AND DRAINAGE WHEN YOU TAKE A CONCRETE
03:21:28PM STRUCTURE WITHOUT BREAKAWAY WALLS WHICH ARE REQUIRED.
03:21:32PM YOU CAN TAKING ALL THAT CONCRETE AND PUTTING IT ON DAVIS
03:21:35PM BOULEVARD.
03:21:36PM RIGHT THERE ON DAVIS BOULEVARD, ONE OF THE LOWEST MANHOLES
03:21:39PM IN THE WHOLE ISLAND.
03:21:41PM 5,000 PEOPLE, THEIR WELFARE HAS TO GET ON AND OFF THE DAVIS
03:21:45PM ISLAND AND INTO PROVISION BECAUSE OF THIS SETBACK -- THAT
03:21:49PM THE -- THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD'S DECISION TO ALLOW
03:21:53PM EXISTING SETBACKS TO STAND IN ONE FOOT ALL AROUND.
03:21:57PM NO ROOM FOR RECESSION, DETENTION OF THIS NEW STRUCTURE WHICH
03:22:01PM IS THE PARKING GARAGE.
03:22:02PM AND I THINK THAT WAS NOT CONSIDERED AND IT SHOULD BE.
03:22:05PM THAT'S IT.
03:22:06PM THANK YOU.
03:22:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:22:09PM YES, MA'AM.
03:22:09PM >> THAT IS ANOTHER GIFT FROM MY FRIEND, DEBBIE.
03:22:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM?
03:22:25PM >> NO, I DON'T HAVE ONE.
03:22:26PM I DON'T NEED ONE.
03:22:27PM STEPHANIE POYNOR.
03:22:29PM YOU KNOW THIS HARDSHIP IS SELF-CREATED.
03:22:32PM THIS IS A NEW TERM "DEMOLITION BY VARIANCE."
03:22:36PM LET'S GET A VARIANCE IF WE TEAR THE BUILDING DOWN BY
03:22:40PM ACCIDENT, WE BUILD WHATEVER THE HELL WE WANT.
03:22:42PM THAT IS WHAT IS GOING ON HERE.
03:22:44PM I HAVE TO AGREE WITH LINDA THAT -- WHO IS ONE OF MY FRIENDS
03:22:48PM -- AND I HAVE TO AGREE WITH HER.
03:22:50PM THIS IS ALL ABOUT BUILDING BACK.
03:22:54PM IT IS NOT ABOUT WHAT IS THERE NOW.
03:22:56PM I WOULD OFFER TO YOU THIS IS A SERIOUS SAFETY ISSUE.
03:23:00PM SO THEY GO TO PUT THIS BUILDING UP ON JACKS TO BUILD THIS.
03:23:04PM IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
03:23:07PM WE ARE GOING FROM -- REMEMBER THIS HAS A CRAWL SPACE UNDER
03:23:11PM IT AND A COURTYARD.
03:23:12PM SO THIS IS COMPLETELY PERVIOUS AT THIS POINT WITH THE
03:23:15PM EXCEPTION OF THE OUTSIDE -- THE OUTSIDE STRUCTURES IN THE --
03:23:19PM IN THE PYLONS THAT KEEP IT OFF THE GROUND.
03:23:22PM I HAVE GOT NEWS FOR YOU AS SOMEBODY THAT OWNS PROPERTY, THIS
03:23:26PM IS -- I JUST LOOKED IT UP ON THE FEMA MAP, IT IS IN THE A-E
03:23:31PM FLOOD ZONE.
03:23:32PM LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, IF EVERYBODY IN THE A-E FLOOD
03:23:36PM ZONE HAD TO JACK THEIR BUILDING UP AND PUT THEIR HOUSE
03:23:39PM HIGHER, WE WOULD BE SOME BROKE FOLKS IN TAMPA THAT IS A
03:23:45PM CROCK OF CRAP THAT FEMA IS MAKING THEM DO ANYTHING.
03:23:48PM DON'T LET THEM PEE ON YOUR LEG AND LET YOU TELL YOU IT IS
03:23:51PM RAINING.
03:23:51PM STORMWATER.
03:23:54PM I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR HOW THIS WILL IMPACT STORMWATER BUT WE
03:23:58PM DON'T GET TO AT THIS PHASE.
03:24:00PM AND I AM GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT WE HAVE GOT GOING ON HERE
03:24:03PM AND THIS IS MY FAVORITE.
03:24:04PM WE ARE JUST TRYING TO RAISE THIS BUILDING BY RAISING IT.
03:24:07PM THAT'S ALL THIS IS.
03:24:08PM THE BIGGEST JOKE.
03:24:10PM WE GOT THE -- NEXT DOOR THEY WANTED TO BUILD AN ELEVATOR
03:24:15PM PARKING GARAGE THING.
03:24:16PM THAT DIDN'T FLY.
03:24:17PM THEN THEY COME UP WITH THIS.
03:24:19PM I MEAN IT IS LIKE, LOOK, YOU BOUGHT SOMETHING.
03:24:21PM SUCK IT UP, BUTTER CUP.
03:24:23PM THIS IS JUST GETTING TO THE WHERE IT IS ABSOLUTELY ABSURD.
03:24:32PM THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, KEEP THROWING IT AT THE WALL AND
03:24:37PM SEE WHAT STICKS.
03:24:37PM A POT OF SPAGHETTI AND THROW TO THE FALL AND SEE WHAT
03:24:41PM STICKS.
03:24:41PM THIS IS CRAP.
03:24:42PM CRAP BEFORE IT WENT BEFORE THE VARIANCE BOARD AND THE
03:24:46PM LEGITIMATE REASONS THAT MY FRIENDS CAME UP TO TELL YOU.
03:24:50PM I AM TELLING YOU THE REAL DEAL.
03:24:51PM A CRAPPY PLAN.
03:24:52PM A DANGEROUS PLAN.
03:24:52PM WHAT ABOUT THOSE FOLKS THAT LIVE DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR.
03:24:55PM SO THEY GET THIS BUILDING UP HERE AND SOMETHING HAPPENS AND
03:24:59PM FALLS DOWN ON THEIR APARTMENT BUILDING AND THEY ARE DEAD.
03:25:01PM HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FEEL ABOUT IT THEN?
03:25:03PM THAT IS A SAFETY ISSUE.
03:25:04PM ONE FOOT AWAY FROM THAT OTHER BUILDING.
03:25:06PM WHAT HAPPENS THEN?
03:25:08PM WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING IN PRESIDENT
03:25:11PM APARTMENTS NEXT DOOR?
03:25:12PM WHAT HAPPENS TO THE CAR THAT ARE DRIVING ON AND OFF DAVIS
03:25:16PM ISLAND WHILE THEY HAVE THE BUILDING JACKED UP.
03:25:19PM I AM SORRY, I SAW TO THAT CONDO.
03:25:22PM IT WAS A HELL OF A LOT MORE STRUCTURALLY COMPETENT THAN
03:25:26PM JACKING SOMETHING UP THAN PUTTING SOMETHING UNDERNEATH IT.
03:25:30PM LET'S NOT TALK STUPID AND LET THEM RAZE BY RAISING.
03:25:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:25:38PM NEXT SPEAKER.
03:25:39PM IF YOU WERE GOING TO SPEAK AND ABLE TO, LINE UP AGAINST THE
03:25:42PM WALL SO WE CAN GET A NUMBER.
03:25:43PM GIVE YOUR NAME.
03:25:45PM >> JILL SOLOMON.
03:25:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
03:25:49PM >> YES, OKAY, THANK YOU.
03:25:51PM I WAS AT THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD BECAUSE MY HUSBAND AND I
03:25:54PM HAD APPLIED FOR A VARIANCE OF OUR OWN.
03:25:57PM SO I SAT THROUGH THAT TWO-HOUR MEETING.
03:26:00PM AND WHAT I HEARD THE VARIANCE BOARD SAY WAS, I HEARD -- AT
03:26:07PM THAT MEETING, I HEARD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS THAT I HAVE HEARD
03:26:10PM TONIGHT OR THERE ARE AFTERNOON.
03:26:11PM BUT THE VARIANCE BOARD REPEATEDLY SAID WE CAN ONLY RULE ON
03:26:17PM THE OUTSIDE FOOT -- SETBACK.
03:26:23PM WITH THE CURRENT BUILDING IS, THEY ARE NOT -- WHATEVER THAT
03:26:27PM -- THE NUMBERS ARE, THE ONE-FOOT AND THE TWO-FOOT AND ALL
03:26:31PM THAT ALREADY THAT IS WHERE IT IS.
03:26:32PM AND THAT IS THE ONLY THING WE CAN RULE ON.
03:26:35PM WE CAN NOT RULE ON TREES, IMPERMEABLE SURFACE OR ANY OF THE
03:26:43PM OTHER CONCERNS YOU HAVE.
03:26:44PM THIS IS THE ONLY THING THIS BOARD CAN DO.
03:26:46PM SO I WANTED TO COME STATE THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS WHERE
03:26:51PM THE ISSUE LIES.
03:26:53PM RIGHT.
03:26:54PM SO I AM A DAVIS ISLAND RESIDENT.
03:27:00PM I LIVED ON DAVIS ISLAND SINCE 1987.
03:27:03PM IF WE ARE GOING TO GO OFF TOPIC WHERE THE SETBACKS ARE, I
03:27:06PM WOULD JUST SAY AS I SAT THROUGH THAT PRESENTATION, I, FOR
03:27:09PM ONE, THOUGHT THAT WHAT THEY WOULD TO DO THIS BUILDING WOULD
03:27:14PM MAYBE BE MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE.
03:27:17PM AS FAR AS THE PARKING, I DON'T THINK THAT 2 PEOPLE OR 22
03:27:23PM UNITS HAS ZERO CARS.
03:27:26PM SO THEY HAVE TO BE PARKING ON THE STREET.
03:27:28PM SO I THINK CONTAINING THAT PARKING WITHIN THE BUILDING WOULD
03:27:33PM BE A REALLY GOOD IDEA.
03:27:34PM BUT EVEN MORE THAN ADDING PARKING, I THINK JUST REENFORCING
03:27:41PM THE STRUCTURE AND MAKING IT VERY SAFE FOR 100 --
03:27:55PM 99-AND-A-HALF-YEAR STRUCTURE.
03:27:56PM BETTER FOR THE ISLAND TO BE REINFORCED AND BECOME A SAFER
03:28:01PM PLACE.
03:28:01PM JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THE VARIANCE BOARD SAID THIS IS WHAT
03:28:05PM WE DO.
03:28:06PM WE DO NOT DO ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.
03:28:09PM SO I AM FOR IT.
03:28:13PM BUT I THINK THEY MET THEIR REQUIREMENTS.
03:28:15PM THANK YOU.
03:28:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:28:18PM ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
03:28:23PM ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILMEMBERS?
03:28:26PM ALL RIGHT.
03:28:26PM ANY -- YES?
03:28:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
03:28:33PM FOR PURPOSES OF A COMPLETE RECORD.
03:28:35PM IF ANY YOU HAVE ADDED ANY VERBAL EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS,
03:28:40PM WILL YOU PLEASE --
03:28:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO VERBAL.
03:28:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEY WERE WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS.
03:28:46PM ANY VERBAL FOR THE RECORD?
03:28:47PM I SEE NO RESPONSE.
03:28:48PM I SEE NONE.
03:28:49PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:28:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:28:52PM ANY ADDITIONAL STAFF COMMENT AT THIS TIME?
03:28:54PM NO?
03:28:55PM MR. COTTON, NOTHING?
03:29:03PM IS MR. COTTON ON?
03:29:05PM NO?
03:29:06PM >>ERIC COTTON: SORRY, NO, I DON'T.
03:29:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SIR, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL
03:29:12PM COMMENTS?
03:29:14PM >>ERIC COTTON: NO, SIR.
03:29:14PM I DON'T.
03:29:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:29:17PM WE WILL GO INTO REBUTTAL.
03:29:19PM THE FIRST PERSON TO REBUT OR PARTY WILL BE THE ATTORNEY, MR.
03:29:25PM MICHELINI'S REPRESENTATIVE, THE APPLICANT THERE.
03:29:28PM YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL.
03:29:32PM >> I BELIEVE JUST HOUSEKEEPING.
03:29:34PM I HAD ADDITIONAL TIME FROM MY ORIGINAL PRESENTATION INCLUDED
03:29:38PM AS PART OF MY REBUTTAL.
03:29:39PM I SHOULD HAVE APPROXIMATELY SEVEN MINUTES.
03:29:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ONE MINUTE, 37 SECONDS, PLUS THE FIVE
03:29:47PM MINUTES.
03:29:47PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN FOR THE RECORD.
03:29:50PM >> BEN DACHEPELLI ON BEHALF OF THE RESPONDENT.
03:29:54PM REALLY QUICK, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE REBUTTAL
03:29:57PM ITEMS THAT WE HEARD FROM BOTH PUBLIC COMMENT AND FROM
03:30:00PM PETITIONER.
03:30:02PM ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS OR ARGUMENTS THAT THE PARKING
03:30:05PM DEFICIENCY IS SOMEWHAT SELF-IMPOSED PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY.
03:30:10PM THAT IS ACTUALLY NOT TRUE, THE PARKING DEFICIENCY WAS NOT
03:30:14PM CREATED BECAUSE THE ON-SITE PARKING AS I STATED IN THE
03:30:17PM PRESENTATION WAS CREATED IN 1925 BEFORE ANY CODES WERE IN
03:30:20PM EFFECT.
03:30:20PM IMPORTANTLY, D.P. DAVIS ALWAYS INTENDED FOR PARKING TO EXIST
03:30:25PM 416 DAVIS BOULEVARD BECAUSE HISTORICAL PHOTOS SHOW THAT THAT
03:30:29PM -- THAT THE DAVIS ISLAND PARKING GARAGE ORIGINALLY PROVIDED
03:30:33PM PARKING FOR THESE APARTMENT RESIDENTS BUT WAS DEMOLISHED.
03:30:38PM I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU.
03:30:39PM THIS IS FROM A -- FROM A BOOK ABOUT THE HISTORY OF DAVIS
03:30:42PM ISLAND.
03:30:43PM AND SHOW THE PHOTOGRAPH.
03:30:50PM AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS WAS ORIGINAL PARKING GARAGE
03:30:54PM INTENDED FOR AUTOMOBILES OF PEOPLE WHO LIVED ON DAVIS
03:30:59PM ISLAND.
03:31:00PM THAT PARKING LOT WAS DESTROYED AND RESIDENTS OF 16 DAVIS NO
03:31:03PM LONGER HAD PARKING THUS CREATING ALL THIS ADDITIONAL ON
03:31:07PM STREET PARKING FOR THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING.
03:31:09PM IN ADDITION -- AND I NEVER SUGGESTED THAT ANYONE WAS OPPOSED
03:31:14PM TO THE PARKING ISSUE.
03:31:15PM WHAT I SAID WAS THERE WAS MANY LETTERS SUPPORT IN THE RECORD
03:31:19PM FOR DAVIS ISLAND RESIDENTS FOR THIS ADDITIONAL PARKING TO
03:31:24PM TAKE PARKING OFF THE STREET.
03:31:26PM THE PARKING GARAGE DOES DECREASE STREET PARK WIG THE D.I.
03:31:32PM RESIDENTS SUPPORT, BUT I WANTED TO SUBMIT INTO EVIDENCE, THE
03:31:36PM E-MAIL FROM JONATHAN SCOTT, THE CITY TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER
03:31:40PM STATING THAT "NO ANTICIPATED INCREASE OF TRAFFIC AND VEHICLE
03:31:45PM GENERATION" WILL RESULT FROM THIS PARKING GARAGE.
03:31:48PM THE NEXT ITEM I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS ARE THE BUILDING
03:31:52PM SETBACKS.
03:31:52PM ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS WAS THE BUILDING SETBACKS MIGHT
03:31:55PM CONFLICT WITH ANY FIRE SAFETY OR ANY SAFETY ISSUES THAT IS
03:32:03PM NOT TRUE.
03:32:04PM THE CITY OF TAMPA FIRE MARSHAL ARMED THEM, NO FIRE ISSUE
03:32:09PM RELATED TO THE SETBACK AND I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT THAT
03:32:13PM E-MAIL INTO EVIDENCE.
03:32:13PM SUBJECT BUILDING HAD PRE-EXISTED.
03:32:16PM PREEXISTED THE ADJACENT APARTMENT BUILDING THAT SOMEONE FROM
03:32:22PM THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT THE BUILDING OWNER TALKED ABOUT.
03:32:24PM 16 DAVIS WAS ALWAYS THERE.
03:32:25PM THIS OTHER BUILT IN CLOSE PROXIMITY WAS DONE AFTER 16 DAVIS
03:32:32PM WAS DEVELOPED AND BUILT LITTLE BIT.
03:32:34PM THE ADJACENT APARTMENTS WERE CONSTRUCTED CLOSE TO THAT
03:32:39PM APARTMENT BOUNDARY, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
03:32:42PM THE FIRE MARSHAL SAY NO KNOWN FIRE REGULATIONS LIFTING THE
03:32:47PM STRUCTURE AND ANY FIRE DEVELOPMENTS WILL BE IDENTIFIED
03:32:51PM DURING THE REVIEW PROCESS AND ANOTHER ITEM I WOULD LIKE TO
03:32:55PM ADDRESS.
03:32:56PM MANY COMMENTS OF TREE AND IMPERVIOUS SURFACE RATIOS AND
03:33:02PM STORMWATER.
03:33:02PM ALL OF THOSE ISSUES ARE COMPARING APPLE TO ORANGES.
03:33:06PM FOR THIS PARTICULAR VARIANCE, THE ONLY THING GERMANE IF HER
03:33:14PM INCREASING THE CURRENT NONCONFORMITIES.
03:33:17PM THE ONLY NONEXISTING CONFORMITIES ARE THE SETBACKS AND
03:33:21PM DENSITY.
03:33:21PM LIFTING THIS BUILDING DOES NOT INCREASE EITHER SO ALL THESE
03:33:26PM OTHER ISSUES ARE EFFECTIVELY RED HEARINGS THAT WILL BE
03:33:29PM ADDRESSED DURING THE PERMITTING PROCESS AND WE WILL BE GLAD
03:33:33PM TO DO THAT SPECIFICALLY AS IT RELATES TO THE TREE.
03:33:36PM WE CONTAINED MR. RICKY PETERIKA OF DARK MOSS AS A CONSULTANT
03:33:43PM TO HELP US ADDRESS AND ALLEVIATE CONCERNS WITH THE TREE.
03:33:47PM WE WILL ADDRESS TREE RETENTION AT THE TIME OF PERMITTING.
03:33:51PM ANY ALTERATIONS TO THE HISTORIC BUILDING.
03:33:56PM MENTION OF REMOVING WINDOWS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH HISTORIC
03:33:59PM CHARACTER.
03:34:00PM THIS BUILDING IS A FEDERAL LANDMARK AS I STATED IN MY
03:34:04PM PRESENTATION THAT THE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO YOU
03:34:06PM AND NOT SUBJECT TO LOCAL DESIGNATION GUIDELINES.
03:34:10PM FINALLY, I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE TRANSPARENCY AND THE
03:34:14PM EFFORTS THAT MY CLIENT HAS MADE IN ORDER OF THE DAVIS ISLAND
03:34:21PM RESIDENTS.
03:34:22PM NOT RUN ON THE DICA BOARD AGREES WITH OPPOSING THIS
03:34:32PM VARIANCE.
03:34:32PM IN FACT, YOU HAVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT ON YOUR RECORD FROM
03:34:36PM MR. PATRICK MURPHY, A BOARD MEMBER FROM DIC THAT SUPPORTS
03:34:40PM THIS EFFORT AND MANY OTHER DAVIS ISLAND RESIDENTS THAT
03:34:44PM SUPPORT IT, BUT WE HAD 94 LETTERS SENT TO SURROUNDING
03:34:47PM PROPERTY OWNERS.
03:34:48PM AND ONLY A HANDFUL OF THOSE 94 ARE OBJECTING.
03:34:51PM WE HAD FIVE FORMAL MEET WITH DICA REPS AND THE IN DICA
03:34:59PM BOARD.
03:34:59PM A LOT TRANSPARENCY AND COMMUNICATION IN ORDER TO ADDRESS ALL
03:35:03PM OF THIS.
03:35:03PM AND THERE IS NO CONCERN ABOUT US WANTING TO DESTROY THIS
03:35:10PM BUILDING BY RAISING IT.
03:35:12PM AS YOU SEE WITH THE APPROVAL LETTER WE CAN NOT BUILD WHAT IS
03:35:17PM CURRENTLY THERE.
03:35:17PM MR. COTTON EVEN SAID THAT.
03:35:20PM THIS IS WHY HE INCLUDED THE SPECIFIC CONDITION THAT IF THE
03:35:24PM BUILDING GETS DESTROYED, WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE CURRENT
03:35:29PM CODES IN AFFECT AT THE TIME VERY IMPORTANT DISTINCTION AND
03:35:38PM MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE CONDITION ACTUALLY INCLUDES.
03:35:41PM FINALLY, RECORD EVIDENCE THAT HAS BEEN SUBMIT IS DOCUMENTARY
03:35:47PM EVIDENCE THAT IS SUBSTANTIAL AND COMPETENT THAT YOU AS A
03:35:50PM BODY CAN -- CAN TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.
03:35:52PM I AM NOT HERE TESTIFYING AS A FACT WITNESS, THAT IS TRUE,
03:35:57PM BUT THE A YOU WILL THE DOCUMENTATION THAT IS IN THE RECORD
03:35:59PM ARE ALL COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AND FOR THAT REASON,
03:36:03PM WE WILL RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU UPHOLD THE VR B'S
03:36:07PM UNANIMOUS NEWS DECISION TO GRANT THE VARIANCE BECAUSE THERE
03:36:11PM IS NO CHANGE TO THE SETBACK AND NO CHANGE TO THE DENSITY
03:36:14PM WHICH ARE THE ONLY TWO NONCONFORMING USES.
03:36:17PM THANK YOU.
03:36:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:36:20PM AT THIS TIME, WE WILL HAVE REBUTTAL BY MR. STEVEN STANLEY.
03:36:25PM >> IT WILL BE SUSAN SWIFT.
03:36:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT IS FINE.
03:36:27PM GO AHEAD.
03:36:28PM YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.
03:36:29PM SUSAN SWIFT, AICP.
03:36:33PM FOX ENGINEERING.
03:36:34PM FIRST, I WANTED TO CLARIFY, I THINK WHAT I HEARD TONIGHT WAS
03:36:44PM FROM MR. COTTON WAS THAT THE COURTYARD, THE STAFF DETERMINED
03:36:48PM THAT THE COURTYARD WAS NOT IN EXPANSION BUT THE FRONT OF THE
03:36:53PM BUILDING TOWARD THE INTERSECTION WAS A EXPANSION OF A
03:36:57PM NONCONFORMING USE.
03:36:58PM AND SPECIFICALLY IN A RENDERING THAT THE GARAGE DOOR WAS,
03:37:06PM WAS SHOWN.
03:37:06PM I AM NOT SURE IF HE IS ON THE ONLINE OR IF YOU CAN CONFIRM
03:37:09PM THAT IF THAT IS SOMETHING YOU CAN TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
03:37:11PM IF THAT IS THE CASE, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT ANALYSIS
03:37:14PM WRITTEN.
03:37:14PM AND A LEGAL OPINION THAT SOME DAY AFTER TODAY TO THAT
03:37:19PM EFFECT.
03:37:20PM THE -- THESE WERE TWO OF MY SLIDES THAT -- I KNOW -- I --
03:37:30PM THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SAID A LOT OF THINGS WILL BE DURING
03:37:35PM THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
03:37:36PM I BELIEVE FROM ALL THE VARIANCE -- OTHER VARIANCES WE
03:37:42PM ALREADY TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT, THAT MY CLIENTS ARE GOING TO
03:37:46PM HAVE TO BE BARRAGED WITH EIGHT OR NINE MORE VARIANCES OR
03:37:52PM DESIGN EXCEPTIONS BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF THIS PERMITTING
03:37:56PM PROCESS.
03:37:56PM BECAUSE THOSE THINGS DON'T HAPPEN DURING PERMITTING.
03:37:59PM SO WE HAVE HEARD ABOUT STORMWATER.
03:38:02PM WE HEARD ABOUT TREES.
03:38:03PM WE HEARD ABOUT ALL THE THINGS THAT I LISTED JUST FROM MY
03:38:06PM REVIEW OF THE SITE PLAN THAT ARE STILL TO COME.
03:38:09PM AGAIN, A PD WOULD HAVE BEEN A WAY TO GO.
03:38:12PM THE APPLICANT THOUGHT -- SAID IN A PUBLIC MEETING THAT HE
03:38:17PM THOUGHT THAT WOULD TAKE TOO MUCH TIME.
03:38:19PM THIS IS TAKING MUCH LONGER.
03:38:20PM THE SITE PLANS, THE PARKING LOT LAYOUT, I THOUGHT THAT WAS
03:38:27PM OFF THE TABLE, BUT TODAY, THE STAFF PRESENTED SHEETS OF A
03:38:32PM SITE PLAN THAT WE THOUGHT WERE OFF THE TABLE BECAUSE WE
03:38:35PM NEVER SAW THEM AT THE VRB MEETING.
03:38:39PM WE CAN'T FIND THEM IN ACELA, AROUND I AM EVEN MORE CONCERNED
03:38:45PM TODAY WHAT THE DECISION LETTER REPRESENTS BECAUSE AS MR.
03:38:48PM STANLEY SHOWED, THERE IS ONLY THREE PAGES AND THE RENDERINGS
03:38:54PM SHOULDN'T BE ON THERE.
03:38:54PM AND THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT IS SHOWN, ILLEGIBLE AND THE
03:39:00PM PARKING LAYOUT AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS NOT ON THE DECISION
03:39:04PM LETTER.
03:39:07PM THAT IS REALLY CONCERNING.
03:39:09PM SO MY THE CONDITIONS AS WELL ON -- THE SECTION OF THE CODE
03:39:17PM IS THE FIRST.
03:39:18PM I DON'T THINK YOU CAN HAVE SECTIONS -- YOU CAN HAVE
03:39:22PM CONDITIONS THAT BE UNDO YOUR CODE.
03:39:25PM EVEN THE STAFF DID THIS RED LINE VERSION IN THEIR STAFF
03:39:30PM REPORT.
03:39:30PM AND THE VRB DIDN'T -- DIDN'T EVEN ADOPT WHAT THE STAFF
03:39:34PM RECOMMENDED.
03:39:35PM AND ESSENTIALLY SAYS TO THE EXTENT THAT STATE AGENCY
03:39:44PM APPROVES OR ALLOWS SOMETHING SELLS.
03:39:46PM THAT IS IMPROBABLE.
03:39:47PM PRESERVATION OR NO PRESERVATION.
03:39:50PM LASTLY, AS I SAID, THE SITE PLAN AND THESE CONDITIONS IN THE
03:39:57PM DECISION LETTER ARE IN VALID.
03:40:01PM THERE IS A SITE PLAN THAT IS A CUT AND PASTE WITH PICTURES.
03:40:05PM THERE IS NO LEGEND.
03:40:07PM IT DOESN'T SAY WHO PREPARED IT.
03:40:08PM IT DOESN'T HAVE A DATE ON IT.
03:40:10PM IT IS JUST A CUT OUT.
03:40:14PM AND THE CONDITIONS ARE NOT WHAT YOUR STAFF RECOMMENDED.
03:40:18PM EVEN IF IT WAS, THEY CAN NOT UNDO YOUR KEYED SECTION ON
03:40:24PM NONCONFORMITIES.
03:40:25PM AS I SAID TONIGHT WE HAVE SEEN OTHER STATE PLAN PAGES NOT IN
03:40:32PM THIS DECISION LETTER WE HAVEN'T SEEN OR CERTAINLY HAVEN'T
03:40:36PM SEEN IN THE VRB MEETING OR SEEM TO BE SWAPPED.
03:40:40PM SO RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU OVERTURN THE VRB DECISION
03:40:53PM AND THE VARIANCE.
03:40:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:40:55PM >> AS LONG AS WE HAVE FEW SECONDS LEFT.
03:40:57PM STEVEN STANLEY ON BEHALF OF THE PETITIONER.
03:41:00PM I WANT TO MAKE IT REAL CLEAR, A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION.
03:41:04PM EXPANSION OF THAT BUILDING WITH THE GARAGE AND THE
03:41:08PM ALLEVIATION OF THAT COURTYARD AND ALL THE GRASS AND CONCRETE
03:41:16PM WITH CONCRETE BUILDING IS AN EXPANSION OF THE BUILDING AND
03:41:19PM EXPANSION OF A NONCONFORMING USE AND AN EXPANSION OF A
03:41:22PM NONCONFORMING STRUCTURE.
03:41:23PM IT IS IN THE CODE.
03:41:24PM THANK YOU.
03:41:29PM FOR THOSE REASONS, THE VARIANCE NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN
03:41:32PM GRANTED AND FOR THOSE REASONS, I ASK YOU TO OVERTURN THE
03:41:37PM VARIANCE.
03:41:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MISS SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, ARE YOU COMING
03:41:41PM UP.
03:41:42PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: IF EVERYBODY IS FINISHED, I DID ASK
03:41:45PM COUNCIL FOR TIME AT THE END BEFORE YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC
03:41:47PM HEARING TO OUTLINE WHAT YOUR OPTIONS ARE.
03:41:49PM SO WHAT YOUR POSSIBLE ACTIONS ARE AS YOU DELIBERATE, YOU CAN
03:41:58PM EITHER AFFIRM THE VRB DECISIONS AND YOU WILL BE AFFIRMING
03:42:03PM THE APPROVAL.
03:42:03PM YOU WILL BE DETERMINING THAT ALL THE FIVE VARIANCE CRITERIA
03:42:09PM WERE MET, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IS REQUIRED, A VARIANCE IS A
03:42:19PM DEVIATION FROM OUR CODE.
03:42:20PM AND CONFIRM THE VRB DECISION WHICH MEANS ALL THE CRITERIA
03:42:25PM ARE MET AND YOU WILL APPROVE THE SETBACK VARIANCE.
03:42:29PM YOU CAN AFFIRM THE VRB DECISION WITH ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS
03:42:32PM IF THEY ARE AGREED TO BY THE PROPERTY OWNER OR AUTHORIZED
03:42:37PM AGENT DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
03:42:38PM YOU CAN REMAND THE MATTER PACK TO THE VRB FOR FURTHER
03:42:43PM PROCEEDINGS AND GIVE THEM DIRECTIONS INDICATING THE BASIS
03:42:46PM FOR THE REMAND.
03:42:47PM AND ON THE REMAND, THE VRB WILL BE LIMITED FOR THEIR
03:42:53PM DIRECTION TO THEM IF YOU CHOOSES TO DO THAT.
03:42:55PM THEIR FOURTH AND FINAL OPTION TO OVERTURN THE VRB DECISION
03:42:59PM IN THIS CASE.
03:42:59PM DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY --
03:43:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK?
03:43:05PM OKAY.
03:43:13PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: ONLY THE THING, COUNCIL, WHEN YOU
03:43:15PM HAVE OTHER CODE SECTIONS BESIDE 27-80 WHICH IS THE
03:43:19PM APPLICATION OF THE VARIANCE.
03:43:21PM AND ANOTHER SECTION OF THE CODE RAISED BY BOTH PARTIES, THE
03:43:24PM NONCONFORMITY SECTION.
03:43:27PM SO WHEN YOU HAVE RELATED PROVISIONS IN THE CODE, REMEMBER
03:43:30PM ONE OF THE -- I THINK IT IS NUMBER 4 ON THE VARIANCE
03:43:32PM CRITERIA, IT IS THAT THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE
03:43:39PM GENERAL INTENT FOR CHAPTER WHICH INCLUDES THE NONCONFORMITY
03:43:44PM AND WITH THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
03:43:47PM YOU HAVE RELATED SECTIONS LIKE THAT.
03:43:49PM YOU READ IT.
03:43:55PM AND READ THEM TOGETHER AND HARMONIZE TO GIVE EFFECT TO BOTH
03:44:00PM OF THE RELATED SECTIONS.
03:44:02PM I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS?
03:44:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I CLOSE
03:44:08PM THE PUBLIC HEARING.
03:44:09PM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY -- PULLED MR. SHELBY OUTSIDE.
03:44:12PM OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION IT DONNED ON ME THAT
03:44:16PM MR. DACHEPELLI'S LAW FIRM.
03:44:20PM I ACTED AS COUNSEL REPRESENTING MY WARRIOR'S PLACE OF WHICH
03:44:25PM ONE OF BEN'S PARTNERS MR. MATTHEW HALL WAS MY CO-COUNSEL.
03:44:28PM I DISCLOSED THAT.
03:44:29PM NO RELEVANCY.
03:44:31PM AND THE CASE WAS RECENTLY DISMISSED, BUT MR. SHELBY, I JUST
03:44:35PM SAY THAT AS -- I THINK IT WAS BROWN VERSUS MY WARRIOR'S
03:44:40PM PLACE, IF I RECALL.
03:44:41PM AND MATT AND I WERE CO-COUNSEL ON IT.
03:44:44PM SAME LAW FIRM.
03:44:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT HAVING THE CASE, DOES THAT AFFECT YOUR
03:44:49PM ABILITY OF BEING IMPARTIAL.
03:44:51PM >>LUIS VIERA: ZERO.
03:44:52PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND BASE IS THIS CASE ON THE COMPETENT,
03:44:55PM SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD.
03:44:57PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
03:44:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:45:00PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: MOTION TO CLOSE.
03:45:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
03:45:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
03:45:05PM ANY OPPOSED?
03:45:06PM THE HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
03:45:08PM AT THIS TIME, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, STATE THE
03:45:12PM BASIS OF THAT MOTION AND DISCUSS IT.
03:45:14PM YES, MA'AM, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:45:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
03:45:17PM THIS FEELS LIKE COMING HOME.
03:45:20PM I WAS ON THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
03:45:23PM AND SO I AM GOING TO START BY QUOTING THE GREAT DUSTIN
03:45:29PM PASTEUR THE CHAIR WHILE I WAS A VRB.
03:45:33PM NO ONE OWES YOU A POOL.
03:45:36PM I WILL EXTRAPOLATE THIS NO ONE OWES YOU A GARAGE.
03:45:42PM I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO OVERTURN THE VRB APPROVAL.
03:45:46PM MOVE TO OVERTURN THE PROPOSED VARIANCE REQUEST IN VRB 23-70
03:45:52PM FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED 16 DAVIS BOULEVARD BECAUSE THE
03:45:55PM PETITIONER FAILED TO PROVIDE COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL
03:45:58PM EVIDENCE OF A HARDSHIP ACCORDING TO THE STANDARDS SET FORTH
03:46:01PM IN CODE SECTION 27-80 FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS: 27-890,
03:46:07PM SUBSECTIONS A, NUMBER TWO, THE HARDSHIP OR PRACTICAL
03:46:10PM DIFFICULTY DOES NOT RESULT FROM THE ACTIONS OF THE
03:46:12PM APPLICANT.
03:46:13PM SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP OR PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY SHOULD NOT
03:46:16PM JUSTIFY VARIANCE.
03:46:17PM THIS -- THE OWNER PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY IN 2021 WITHOUT A
03:46:21PM PARKING GARAGE.
03:46:22PM THEY KNEW IT BEFORE THEY BOUGHT IT.
03:46:24PM THEY KNEW IT WAS IN A FEMA FLOOD ZONE WHEN THEY BOUGHT IT.
03:46:29PM THIS IS -- THE PARKING ISSUE -- A, THEY ALREADY PROVED THEY
03:46:35PM DON'T HAVE TO COMPLY WITH FEMA.
03:46:37PM PRESERVING HISTORY DOESN'T RARE THEM TO RAISE IT.
03:46:40PM AND ALLEVIATING PARKING IS A SELF-CREATED ISSUE.
03:46:44PM NUMBER THREE, THE VARIANCE, IF GRANTED, WOULD NOT INTERFERE
03:46:48PM WITH THE HEALTH, WELFARE AND SAFETY OF OTHERS BY THE
03:46:53PM VARIANCE.
03:46:53PM WE HAVE HAD EVIDENCE THAT SHOWED THREE TO FOUR FEET BETWEEN
03:46:57PM THIS PROPERTY AND THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR.
03:46:58PM QUICK NOT GUARANTEE THAT THAT PERSON -- OR THAT -- OR THE
03:47:03PM RAISING WOULD NOT INTERFERE WITH OR INJURY THE HEALTH,
03:47:06PM SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THAT PROPERTY, SO WITH THOSE TWO
03:47:10PM ITEMS, I -- -- I AM -- I COMPLETE MY MOTION.
03:47:17PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
03:47:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM
03:47:21PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
03:47:22PM ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION?
03:47:23PM IF NOT, I WILL ASK FOR A VOTE.
03:47:25PM LET'S TAKE A VOTE.
03:47:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES TO OVERTURN.
03:47:30PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
03:47:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
03:47:34PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
03:47:36PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
03:47:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
03:47:38PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN BEING
03:47:42PM ABSENT.
03:47:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE WILL TAKE FIVE-MINUTE RECESS AND
03:47:46PM WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
03:47:46PM THANK YOU.
04:04:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELCOME BACK TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
04:04:04PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
04:04:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE HENDERSON HEN PRESENT.
04:04:09PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
04:04:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
04:04:11PM >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
04:04:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PER REQUEST BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:04:17PM AND 38 WILL BE HEARD TOGETHER.
04:04:19PM MR. BAIRD ARE YOU HANDLING.
04:04:22PM AND WE HAVE OTHER REPRESENTATIVES HERE.
04:04:25PM START WITH THREE.
04:04:34PM >>BRAD BAIRD: BRAD BAIRD, DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
04:04:37PM THIS IS AN AMENDMENT FOR AGREEMENT FOR THE TPD HOWARD AVENUE
04:04:41PM ANNEX BUILDING.
04:04:42PM IT IS PRIMARILY AN AMENDMENT TO DEVELOP BIDDABLE PLANS
04:04:46PM AN SPECS.
04:04:48PM IF ARE YOU HE CALL WE WERE OVER DOUBLE THE PRICE.
04:04:50PM SO WE DID TAKE ADVANTAGE OF EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT WAS
04:04:55PM EXECUTED IN NOVEMBER OF 2023.
04:04:58PM AND WE ARE -- WE ARE MOVING FROM DESIGN-BUILD CONTRACT TO A
04:05:03PM DESIGN BID BUILD.
04:05:05PM IN DOING THAT IN A DESIGN-BUILD CONTRACT, DO YOU NOT HAVE
04:05:09PM BIDDABLE PLANS AND SPECS.
04:05:12PM THE PRIMARY COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS AMENDMENT IS DEVELOP
04:05:16PM THE BIDDABLE PLANS AND SPECS WITH COMPETITIVE BIDDING MAKE
04:05:23PM UP FOR THESE COSTS.
04:05:24PM WE HAVE SECONDARY DESIGN COSTS THAT I PUT ON MY MEMO.
04:05:27PM AND WITH THAT, I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
04:05:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:05:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
04:05:32PM I APPRECIATE IT.
04:05:34PM GLAD WE CAN DO A TIME CERTAIN SO Y'ALL DIDN'T HAVE TO SIT
04:05:37PM HERE ALL DAY.
04:05:38PM WHEN WE LOOK AT THE ITEM REQUEST.
04:05:40PM I PRINTED OUT THE AGENDA ITEM REQUEST.
04:05:42PM THE SUBJECT IS, THE TPD HOWARD ANNEX BUILDING AKA,
04:05:47PM RELOCATION OF THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT IMPOUND LOT.
04:05:50PM BUT DOWN ON THE BUSINESS CASE, IT SAYS, QUOTE "PLEASE NOTE
04:05:54PM THAT THIS EIGHT-ACRE APPROXIMATE PROJECT INCLUDES A
04:05:58PM RENOVATION EXISTING 38,000-SQUARE-FOOT WAREHOUSE WITH 7500
04:06:03PM APPROXIMATE ADDITION TO ACCOMMODATE THE EVIDENCE, CONTROL
04:06:06PM AND FORENSICS UNIT OF THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, TPD FOR
04:06:10PM THE HEALTH, WELFARE AROUND SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC.
04:06:13PM THIS PROJECT CLOSE INCLUDES EMPLOYEE PARKING, VISITOR
04:06:16PM PARKING, OVERSIZED VEHICLE PARKING, AS WELL AS A RETENTION
04:06:22PM POND AND DESIGN TEAM WILL MEET WITH STAFF TO MEET THE CITY
04:06:26PM OF TAMPA DESIGN STANDARDS.
04:06:27PM BLAH-BLAH-BLAH.
04:06:28PM WHAT IS NOT IN THAT -- WHAT IS NOT IN THAT EXPLANATION?
04:06:33PM ANYTHING ABOUT AN IMPOUND LOT.
04:06:34PM IF WOULD YOU BRING UP THE SITE PLAN FOR ME.
04:06:40PM SO WE LOOKED UP THE SITE PLAN.
04:06:41PM IF YOU CAN JUST ZOOM -- OTHER SIDE.
04:06:49PM ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT THE HIGHLIGHTED PORTION SHOWED A FUTURE
04:06:57PM IMPOUND LOT, BUT NOT A CURRENT IMPOUND LOT SO THIS HAS BEEN
04:07:03PM CALLED THE RELOCATION OF AN INBOUND LOT.
04:07:06PM GONE FROM $5 MILLION TODAY 8 MILLION TO $45 MILLION.
04:07:10PM AND IT IS -- FROM THE SITE PLAN AND FROM THE DESCRIPTION, IT
04:07:13PM IS NOT ACTUALLY GOING TO CONTAIN AN IMPOUND LOT.
04:07:16PM CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT?
04:07:19PM >> YES.
04:07:19PM AND I DO HAVE DEPUTY CHIEF RUTH CATE.
04:07:29PM BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO HER, WE DO HAVE THE EXPANDED
04:07:34PM PARKING LOT IS TO PROCESS INITIALLY PROCESS THE VEHICLES
04:07:41PM THAT WERE TO BE MOVED TO THE SITE WE HAVE -- YOU KNOW, THAT
04:07:46PM WE CONTRACTED FOR.
04:07:47PM THAT IS WHAT YOU NEED THAT AREA FOR.
04:07:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK: GO BACK.
04:07:51PM THE SITE YOU CONTRACTED FOR?
04:07:53PM >> ORIGINALLY THE MODEL WAS NOT TO OUTSOURCE THAT WHEN THE
04:07:57PM PROJECT STARTED AND TO PUT THE IMPACT LOT THERE.
04:07:59PM THAT IS HOW THAT PROJECT HAS MORPHED.
04:08:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ACTUALLY CAN YOU -- I AM CONFUSED WITH WHAT
04:08:05PM YOU JUST SAID.
04:08:05PM DO YOU.
04:08:08PM YOU ARE -- YOU ORIGINALLY HAD A CONTRACT?
04:08:12PM YOU CONTRACTED OUT?
04:08:16PM >>DEPUTY CHIEF CATE: GOOD MORNING -- GOOD AFTERNOON,
04:08:18PM COUNCIL.
04:08:18PM DEPUTY CHIEF RUTH CATE, THANK YOU FOR TIME CERTAIN.
04:08:22PM WE HAD AN IMPORTANT RETIREMENT CEREMONY.
04:08:25PM LET ME EXPLAIN THE IMPOUND LOT.
04:08:28PM I DON'T WANT TO GET CAUGHT UP ON NAME OF THE IMPOUND LOT
04:08:35PM BECAUSE CHANGED IT FOR THE ANNEX.
04:08:38PM IT WAS SIMPLY FOR EVIDENCE STORAGE IN ADDITION TO TWO BAY
04:08:43PM AND FORENSICS LOCATION WHAT IS WE CALLED THE "IMPOUND LOT "
04:08:48PM PROCESS OUR HIGH-VALUE VEHICLES.
04:08:49PM WE WENT OVER THOSE BEFORE.
04:08:51PM THE HOMICIDE VEHICLES, HIT-AND-RUN VEHICLES, THINGS LIKE
04:08:54PM THAT.
04:08:54PM THERE WAS FOR -- AFTER 4 P.M., OFFICERS HAVE TO GO TO THAT
04:08:59PM LOCATION TO PROCESS THEIR EVIDENCE.
04:09:01PM SO THERE WAS FORENSIC STUFF THERE.
04:09:06PM SO THEY COULD SEPARATE -- SAY THEY GOT TWO OUNCES OF
04:09:09PM COCAINE.
04:09:10PM PER FDLE, THEY HAD TO SEPARATE A SMALL AMOUNT TO BE TESTED
04:09:16PM AND HAVE A SECOND AMOUNT FOR TRAFFICKING AMOUNT, THE 28
04:09:20PM GRAMS, AND THE THIRD AMOUNT WILL GO IN A THIRD PACKAGE.
04:09:24PM ALL BE THERE STORED AT WHAT WE CALL THE IMPOUND LOT AT 34th
04:09:30PM STREET.
04:09:30PM I HAVE A DETECTIVE WORKING SEXUAL BATTERY.
04:09:33PM WE NEED REFRIGERATION UNITS AT THE IMPOUND LOT TO HOUSE THE
04:09:37PM SEXUAL BATTERY KITS.
04:09:38PM LATER IN THE WEEK -- USUALLY THE HOPE DAY IF IT WORKED OUT,
04:09:42PM WE HAD A CURE I DON'T REMEMBER TO GO GET THOSE ITEMS AND
04:09:45PM BRING THEM BACK TO HEADQUARTERS.
04:09:46PM SAME THING FOR ANY FIREARMS.
04:09:48PM THE REASON THE PROPERTY ROOM WOULD CLOSE AT 4:00, BECAUSE WE
04:09:51PM HAVE TO OPEN UP AS EARLY AS 7 A.M. SO OFFICERS CAN COME GET
04:09:56PM EVIDENCE FOR COURT AND CHECK IT OUT.
04:09:57PM AND THEN DEPENDING ON IF YOU HAD LARGE EVIDENCE LIKE MAYBE A
04:10:03PM SUITCASE THAT WAS USED AT THE CRIME, IT IS IN THE IMPOUND
04:10:08PM LOT, BUT THE DOPE SEIZED OUT OF IT IS AT HEADQUARTERS.
04:10:11PM .OFFICERS HAD TO GO TO TWO LOCATIONS TO GET IT.
04:10:14PM IF A VEHICLE WAS INVOLVED, WE USED TO IMPOUND A LOT OF CARS
04:10:18PM AND THE LAWS HAVE CHANGED HOW WE CAN RECEIVE PROCEEDS FOR
04:10:22PM THOSE CARS.
04:10:23PM SO WE ARE TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE INBOUND BUSINESS USUALLY
04:10:31PM MANY AS 400 CARS.
04:10:34PM TODAY I GOT THE NUMBER 126 VEHICLES, 20 BIKES.
04:10:38PM 51 ARE PERSONAL PROPERTY.
04:10:40PM SOME OF THAT THEY WERE ARRESTED AND KEEPING THE STUFF FOR
04:10:44PM THEM UNTIL THEY CAN COME CLAIM IT.
04:10:45PM 35 FOUND BIKES AND 102 ARE EVIDENCE.
04:10:50PM THAT IS WHAT WE ARE HOUSING THERE.
04:10:52PM WHEN WE SAY THE LARGE VEHICLES.
04:10:55PM WHEN WE HAVE -- OUR LARGER CRIME VANS.
04:10:59PM WE CAN'T PARK THEM AT HEADQUARTERS.
04:11:00PM WE USED TO PARK AT JACKSON STREET LOT WHICH IS NOW THE HYATT
04:11:04PM PLACE HOTEL.
04:11:05PM SO THOSE -- WE HAVE TO SEND OUR TECHNICIANS TO GO GET THEM.
04:11:09PM WE WILL HOUSE THEM AT THE TRAIN FACILITY.
04:11:12PM THAT IS NOT IDEA.
04:11:13PM WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF ROOM AT TRAINING.
04:11:15PM NOT ENOUGH PARKING.
04:11:16PM SO WE HAVE THE OVERFLOW PARKING FOR OUR HIGH VALUE VEHICLES
04:11:21PM WHICH IS OUR MOBILE COMMAND POSTS.
04:11:24PM SOME OF OUR SWAT VEHICLES.
04:11:25PM THAT IS WHERE THAT ADDITIONAL SPACE COMES IN.
04:11:28PM THERE IS ENOUGH ROOM THERE TO SQUEEZE IN THIS AMOUNT OF CARS
04:11:32PM WITHOUT PAVING IT AND A REAL CONCERN OF FLOODING, AND HE
04:11:39PM DON'T WANT TO TAKE TOO MANY OF THE GRAND OAKS.
04:11:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I APPRECIATE THAT DETAIL, BUT MY QUESTION IS
04:11:47PM ABOUT THE IMPOUND LOT.
04:11:49PM SAYS THE FUTURE IMPOUND LOT EXPANSION AREA.
04:11:54PM THAT IS WHAT THE SITE PLAN SHOWS.
04:11:56PM THAT MEANS THERE WON'T BE CARS STORED THERE NOW.
04:11:58PM SAYS FUTURE EXPANSION AREA.
04:12:00PM >>DEPUTY CHIEF CATE: I DON'T KNOW WHEN THOSE PLANS WERE
04:12:07PM DONE, BUT THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE CURRENT PLANS.
04:12:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SAYS MAY '24.
04:12:19PM >>DEPUTY CHIEF CATE: YOU CAN STILL PARK THE CARS BECAUSE IT
04:12:21PM WILL BE MILLED.
04:12:23PM IF WE WANT TO PAVE IT LATER BUT THAT COST IS ASTRONOMICAL
04:12:27PM AND WE DECIDED AGAINST IT.
04:12:29PM THERE WILL BE THE AREA THAT IS OUTED WITH THE ACTUAL PARKING
04:12:32PM SPACES THAT WILL ALL BE PAID.
04:12:40PM THE FURTHER -- WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED AND THE PLANS I HAVE
04:12:43PM SEEN DEVELOPING THAT.
04:12:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHERE ARE THE VEHICLES CURRENTLY HOUSED.
04:12:52PM >>DEPUTY CHIEF CATE: RATE NOW THE VEHICLES ARE HOUSED AT
04:12:55PM OUR LOT ON LOIS AVENUE THAT IS 4608 NORTH LOIS.
04:12:58PM UNLESS IT IS A ROTATION IMPOUND THE OFFICERS WILL SAY HAVE A
04:13:09PM CALL FROM THE PARKING DEPARTMENT.
04:13:10PM HABITUAL THAT PARKS AT OUR CITY METER AND NEVER PAYS.
04:13:15PM WE PUT A BOOT ON THE CAR RATHER THAN TOW IT.
04:13:18PM ONE THING.
04:13:19PM IF THEY DON'T GET IT BECAUSE OF A BOOT AND WE HAVE TO GET IT
04:13:22PM OFF, IT WILL COME TO OUR LOT.
04:13:24PM WE ARE NOT DOING IT ANYMORE.
04:13:26PM WE ARE TAKING IT TO THE PRIVATE VENDORS AND THEY WILL STORE
04:13:29PM IT FOR US AND WE CAN STILL COLLECT THE MONEY.
04:13:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HOW MUCH IS THE PRIVATE VENDORS COSTING PER
04:13:36PM MONTH?
04:13:36PM >>DEPUTY CHIEF CATE: RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH
04:13:39PM CROCKETT'S TO OUR POLICE IMPOUND.
04:13:42PM SO THEY DON'T CHARGE US FOR THE TOWS AND THAT IS PART OF THE
04:13:46PM CONTRACT.
04:13:46PM AND I BELIEVE THE FEE IS $10,000 RENTAL FOR THE MONTH.
04:13:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT IS THE SECURITY AT THAT?
04:13:55PM >>DEPUTY CHIEF CATE: A COMPLETE SECURE FACILITY.
04:13:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WITH A POLICE OFFICER 24-7?
04:14:03PM >>DEPUTY CHIEF CATE: CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES.
04:14:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HOW DO YOU MAINTAIN THE CHAIN OF COMMAND OR
04:14:09PM CHAIN OF CUSTODY?
04:14:11PM >>DEPUTY CHIEF CATE: ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES IN OUR EVIDENCE
04:14:12PM AND STORAGE ROOMS ARE CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES.
04:14:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM ASKING HOW DO YOU KEEP THE CHAIN OF
04:14:18PM CUSTODY FOR THE CARS THAT ARE IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S LOT?
04:14:22PM >> SO WE HAVE CITY OF TAMPA EMPLOYEES.
04:14:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK: 24-7.
04:14:30PM >>DEPUTY CHIEF CATE: 24-7.
04:14:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AT CROCKETT'S?
04:14:35PM >>DEPUTY CHIEF CATE: YES.
04:14:36PM CROCKETT'S IS NOT THERE AT ALL.
04:14:38PM IT IS THEIR FACILITY BUT THEY MOVED THEIR STUFF OUT, AND WE
04:14:42PM ARE THE ONLY ONES THERE.
04:14:43PM THEY HAVE THE BUILDING WHERE OFFICERS CAN COME AND PACKAGE
04:14:46PM THEIR THINGS.
04:14:47PM WE HAVE -- BECAUSE OF THE STORAGE.
04:14:49PM OUTDOOR STORAGE SHEDS THAT WE PUT STUFF IN AND EVERYTHING IS
04:14:55PM SURROUNDED BY FENCING AND THE BARBED WIRE AND CAMERAS AND
04:15:04PM SECURE FACILITY.
04:15:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ONCE THIS IS COMPLETED WE WON'T BE RENTING
04:15:09PM FROM CROCKETTS $10,000 A MONTH.
04:15:11PM ALL OF THESE CAR ALSO BE STORED ON THIS PROPERTY.
04:15:15PM YOU ARE TELLING US RIGHT NOW?
04:15:18PM >>DEPUTY CHIEF CATE: THAT IS WHAT A WE WANT TO GO TO.
04:15:20PM WE HAVE TO SEE THE VOLUME OF CARS THAT WE HAVE, BUT THERE
04:15:23PM WILL BE A TRANSITION PERIOD BUT THAT IS THE GOAL.
04:15:25PM SO THE GOAL IS TO TRANSITION ONLY TO THIS ONE LOCATION.
04:15:29PM AND -- BECAUSE WE ARE CONSTANTLY DOWNSIZING HOW MANY CARS
04:15:34PM THAT WE HAVE.
04:15:34PM IF FOR SOME REASON WE GO OVER THE AMOUNT OF CARS OR PARKING
04:15:41PM SPACES THAT WE HAVE, WE WILL HAVE TO TAKE THEM SOMEWHERE.
04:15:44PM WE DO NOT WANT TO PUT AN EMPLOYEE AT THAT LOCATION.
04:15:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT LOCATION?
04:15:49PM >>DEPUTY CHIEF CATE: AT THE CROCKETT'S.
04:15:50PM WE WANT ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES TO BE AT THIS ONE LOCATION.
04:15:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT IF WE HAD TO IF WE HAD TO MOVE THEM TO
04:16:02PM ANOTHER LOCATION, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A PERSON THERE?
04:16:05PM >>DEPUTY CHIEF CATE: YEAH, WE WOULD.
04:16:05PM WE WOULD HAVE TO.
04:16:07PM AND HAVE SOME SECURE STORAGE ONLY FOR OUR VEHICLES WITH
04:16:17PM CAMERAS ON TAMPA.
04:16:18PM AND NOT PHYSICALLY THERE TO MAKE SURE NOBODY IS TAMPERING
04:16:23PM WITH IT.
04:16:23PM IF THE CAMERA SHOWS OTHERWISE ULTIMATELY THAT IS ISSUE, THE
04:16:35PM START IS THE IMPOUND LOT AND ADD FORENSICS.
04:16:38PM NOW IT SEEMS TO BE FORENSICS WITH MAYBE AN IMPOUND LOT.
04:16:42PM SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY TO SPEND ON A FORENSICS MAYBE
04:16:48PM POSSIBLY IMPOUND LOT.
04:16:49PM MAYBE YOU ALL NEED A BIGGER SPACE THAT YOU CAN MAKE SURE YOU
04:16:52PM CAN FIT THE IMPOUND CARS, BECAUSE I AM NOT OKAY THAT WE
04:16:56PM MIGHT HAVE TO GO AND SPEND $10,000 A MONTH AFTER PUTTING $45
04:17:00PM MILLION THIS SHOULD NOT BE -- A TAJ MAHAL OF FORENSICS.
04:17:11PM WE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY HAVE ROOM TO GROW LIKE ANA CITY CENTER.
04:17:18PM THAT SPACE HAS SO MUCH ROOM THAT I AM UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE
04:17:21PM IDEA THIS WILL NOT FIT THE CARS WE HAVE AND NOT THE GROWTH.
04:17:26PM >> WE HAVE ALREADY DOWNSIZED THE AMOUNT OF CARS WE WOULD
04:17:29PM IMPOUND.
04:17:30PM ON AVERAGE IT WAS 400.
04:17:32PM WE ARE NOT AT THAT.
04:17:33PM 126.
04:17:35PM AND WE ARE WORKING TO GET OUT OF THOSE.
04:17:36PM WE ARE TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE I BELIEVE POUND BUSINESS.
04:17:38PM BEFORE WHEN I WAS STREET-LEVEL NARCOTICS AND SEIZE A CAR AND
04:17:43PM HAVE THE CITY ORDINANCE.
04:17:44PM WE COULD SELL THE CAR AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT KEEP THE
04:17:47PM PROCEEDS.
04:17:47PM WE CANNOT DO THAT ANYMORE.
04:17:50PM THE LAWS HAVE CHANGED.
04:17:52PM WE ARE OUT OF THE BUSINESS OF DOING THAT.
04:17:55PM I DON'T WANT TO GET CAUGHT UP ON THE SEMANTICS OF THAT
04:17:59PM FACILITY BEING CALLED THE "IMLOT."
04:18:05PM THAT IS WHAT WE CALLED IT, BUT THE EVIDENCE STORAGE AREA
04:18:08PM AFTER HOURS.
04:18:09PM THAT IS WHERE WE WENT LIBRARY SUB 1 WHERE WE GO TO GAS OUR
04:18:13PM CARS UP IN CARVER CITY WE WOULD SAY A NEW FLEET FACILITY AND
04:18:24PM THAT IS AT HANNA NOW.
04:18:26PM WE STORED LARGER VEHICLES.
04:18:28PM BUT WE CAN'T.
04:18:29PM WE WANT TO BRING THOSE TO A SECURE LOCATION ALONG WITH THE
04:18:34PM ONES WE ARE TEMPORARY STORING ON TRAINING AND THEY WILL ALL
04:18:38PM BE THERE.
04:18:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS FINE.
04:18:39PM THIS TO ME IS NOT ABOUT THAT.
04:18:41PM CREATING A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN STORE POLICE VEHICLES, BUT,
04:18:44PM AGAIN, TO ME THIS IS ABOUT THE INBOUND LOT.
04:18:48PM IF YOU ARE SAYING WE MATE NOT HAVE ROOM.
04:18:53PM I AM VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS BALLOONING PROJECT AND NOT
04:18:56PM ACTUALLY BEING ABLE TO HOLD MORE THAN WE NEEDED TO HOLD.
04:19:03PM SO RIGHT NOW I DO ASK THIS QUESTION FOR MR. MUTTERBACK AND
04:19:11PM YOU WERE CCED ON THE E-MAIL OF THE SIZE OF EVIDENCE IN THIS
04:19:15PM STORAGE FACILITY.
04:19:16PM AND IT SAYS HERE THAT THE EXISTING EVIDENCE STORAGE AT 34th
04:19:20PM STREET WAS APPROXIMATELY 13,350 SQUARE FEET.
04:19:23PM AND THE SPACE BEING PROVIDED THAT THE NEW ANNEX IS 12,432.
04:19:28PM WHICH A LOWER, BUT BECAUSE YOU ARE ABLE TO GO VERTICAL WE
04:19:35PM WILL ACTUALLY BE EXPANDED.
04:19:36PM AND THAT I UNDERSTAND, RIGHT.
04:19:38PM AND I -- I --
04:19:41PM >> I KNOW I SPOKE TO COUNCIL ON THAT ON AUGUST 5 THAT BELL
04:19:44PM HAVE 149180 CUBIC SQUARE FOOT BASED ON THE 12-FOOT CEILING.
04:19:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT I UNDERSTAND.
04:19:55PM >>DEPUTY CHIEF CATE: WE WILL HAVE MORE ROOM.
04:19:56PM THE EXISTING FORENSICS IS 12,000 SQUARE FOOT AND EVIDENCE IS
04:20:01PM 26.
04:20:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, CERTAIN
04:20:05PM THINGS WERE NOT HOUSED HERE.
04:20:06PM WE WERE HOUSED AT HEADQUARTERS AND THEY STILL ARE.
04:20:09PM WHAT KINDS OF THINGS HAVE ALREADY BEEN HOUSED AT 411.
04:20:20PM >>DEPUTY CHIEF CATE: ANYTHING THAT WAS NOT HIGH VALUED NARCOTICS
04:20:24PM LIKE THE FIREARMS OR SEXUAL BATTERY KITS, THEY ALL GO TO
04:20:28PM HEADQUARTERS.
04:20:29PM IF I WERE TO SEIZE SOMEONE'S SUITCASE OR CLOTHING OR
04:20:37PM ELECTRONICS, SEIZED DOORS, FIREWORKS.
04:20:40PM ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
04:20:46PM ALWAYS STAYS AT THE INFOUND LOT.
04:20:48PM ANYTHING THAT WAS SMALLER -- LARGER THAN A BOX ABOUT 8 X 12
04:20:56PM WILL STAY AT 34th STREET.
04:20:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AT POLICE HEADQUARTERS YOU HOLD DRUGS AND
04:21:01PM GUNS.
04:21:01PM >> YES.
04:21:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO THAT IS GOING -- AND THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN
04:21:06PM THAT WAY.
04:21:06PM AND SO WHAT YOU ARE DOING MOVING POLICE ACTIVITY AT THIS
04:21:17PM FORENSICS BUILDING.
04:21:19PM >> YES, WE WILL HAVE SECURE STORAGE THERE.
04:21:22PM IT WILL BE HOUSED SIMILAR TO LIKE IT IS IN HEADQUARTERS.
04:21:25PM A SAFE ROOM, A NARCOTICS VAULT, ALL OF THAT, THAT WILL BE A
04:21:31PM SECURE PART OF THE FACILITY.
04:21:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
04:21:34PM AND SO -- MY -- FOR ME, THIS -- THE QUESTION JUST OVERALL
04:21:40PM IS, I -- I DON'T KNOW THIS IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR
04:21:45PM 7.6 ACRES JUST BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE WILL GET THE
04:21:49PM IMPOUND LOT THAT WE -- THAT WAS THE IMPETUS OF THIS ENTIRE
04:21:54PM PROJECT.
04:21:54PM I AM JUST NOT CONVINCED.
04:21:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND THEN COUNCILMAN
04:22:00PM CARLSON.
04:22:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, I AM SORRY.
04:22:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:22:03PM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU KNOW WE HAVE -- AT LEAST I HAVE CONCERNS
04:22:06PM HOW THIS SNUCK UP ON US AND HOW THE PRICE WENT UP AGAIN AND
04:22:10PM THE ESCALATION OF THIS AND SIMILAR TO HANNA AVENUE AND FAIR
04:22:14PM OAKS, HOW THEY ESCALATED.
04:22:15PM AND THE RIVERWALK ABOUT.
04:22:17PM AND WE HEARD ALL KIND OF NEGATIVE FEEDBACK AND CRITICISM
04:22:21PM ABOUT THAT.
04:22:22PM NOT -- IT IS NOT -- SO IT IS -- MY POINT IS NOT ABOUT TPD,
04:22:26PM BUT THE COMPETENCY OF HOW THE PROJECTS ARE MANAGED, BUT
04:22:30PM FOLKS HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME.
04:22:31PM AND I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO ALL OF THESE, BUT I AM GOING
04:22:34PM TO VOTE ANYTHING RELATED TO THIS PROJECT UNLESS THERE IS A
04:22:38PM REALLY DETAILED PUBLIC DISCUSSION ABOUT THE BUDGET AND HOW
04:22:41PM IT -- HOW IF HAS BEEN DONE AND HOW THIS WAS PLANNED, BECAUSE
04:22:45PM I THINK THE PUBLIC DESERVES TOTAL TRANSPARENCY ON THIS AND
04:22:51PM WHAT THE ALTERNATIVES WILL BE.
04:22:53PM BUT FEEDBACK I GOT FROM PEOPLE WHO CONTACTED ME.
04:22:57PM THEY THINK THE LOCATION IS NOT THE BEST LOCATION.
04:22:59PM THE SIZE OF THE LOT.
04:23:00PM ALSO RISK IN PUTTING -- ALTHOUGH IT IS CONVENIENT -- THERE
04:23:04PM IS RISK OF PUTTING ALL TYPE OF EVIDENCE IN ONE PLACE.
04:23:06PM THE -- -- ALSO THERE IS A QUESTION ABOUT RENOVATING A
04:23:12PM BUILDING VERSUS BUILDING A NEW BUILDING.
04:23:14PM FOR BY THE WAY, $45 MILLION AND WE WILL BONDS IT NOT
04:23:20PM INCLUDING OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE WHICH WE ARE PROBABLY
04:23:22PM PAYING ON THESE OTHER FACILITIES.
04:23:24PM IT IS GOING TO BE AT LEAST $40 MILLION IN INTEREST INTEREST.
04:23:28PM SO IT IS REALLY A $85 MILLION TO $95 MILLION BUILDING.
04:23:32PM WHAT ELSE?
04:23:33PM SO MANY THINGS -- I KNOW WE COULDN'T SPEND THIS ON POLICE.
04:23:36PM WE NEED 200 MORE POLICE OFFICERS.
04:23:37PM BUT WHAT ELSE CAN WE SPENDS THIS ON IF WE REALLY WENT TO OUR
04:23:42PM POLICE OFFICERS AND ASKED THEM WHAT THEY NEED MOST.
04:23:44PM IF WE CAN SPEND $85 MILLION, WHAT WAS THE NEED.
04:23:48PM IF THIS WAS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THE MONEY, MAYBE.
04:23:52PM BUT I AM HEARING IT IS NOT.
04:23:53PM BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO SPEND THAT MUCH MONEY WHY NOT BUILD A
04:23:58PM NEW BUILDING THAT IS MORE SECURE.
04:23:59PM CONCERNS OF IT BEING HURRICANE-PROOF.
04:24:01PM I THINK THERE IS SOME CONCERNS OF THE SOME OF THE EXISTING
04:24:08PM BUILDINGS AND THEIR ABILITY TO BE HURRICANE PROOF.
04:24:12PM CONCERNS.
04:24:13PM I DON'T KNOW INSIDE DETAILS BUT ALLEGEDLY THE PROJECT
04:24:16PM MANAGERS AND MANAGERS ARE THE SAME AS HANNA AVENUE, THE
04:24:19PM RIVERWALK AND FAIR OAKS.
04:24:20PM AND THAT -- THE ALLEGATION IS THAT THE PERSON OR PEOPLE
04:24:23PM INVOLVED DON'T -- AREN'T TRAINED AS PROJECT MANAGERS.
04:24:28PM AND SO WHY WOULD WE -- IF WE SEE THE CONNECTION OF HOW FOUR
04:24:32PM PROJECTS WENT WAY, WAY -- TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OVER
04:24:38PM BUDGET AND THEY ARE BONDED AND A COMMON LINKS HERE.
04:24:42PM SEEMS TO BE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION URGENCY TO GET THINGS
04:24:45PM DONE AND NO ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE MONEY AND TO THE
04:24:47PM TAXPAYERS.
04:24:48PM AND THEN -- AND THEN JUST LASTLY, LASTLY AGAIN, I
04:25:01PM SUPPORTED TPD AND TAMPA FIRE RESCUE -- SUPPORTED THE THINGS
04:25:04PM THEY HAVE DONE.
04:25:05PM FROM WHAT I AM HEARING THIS IS NOT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE
04:25:08PM OF THIS KIND OF FUNDING.
04:25:10PM AND IN PARTICULAR, THERE IS NOT CONFIDENCE THIS PROJECT IS
04:25:14PM BEING MANAGED CORRECTLY AND THAT THE MONEY IS BEING USED
04:25:19PM WISELY.
04:25:19PM I VOTE KNOW.
04:25:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE?
04:25:27PM WE NEED A MOTION TO MOVE ITEMS NUMBER 3 -- COUNCILMAN
04:25:30PM VIERA'S COMMITTEE.
04:25:31PM SO WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
04:25:33PM DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
04:25:35PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
04:25:36PM HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
04:25:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CAN I SAY SOMETHING, IF I MAY.
04:25:41PM YOU SAY YOU HAVE A 149,180 SQUARE FEET.
04:25:49PM IS THAT WHAT I HEARD.
04:25:52PM >> CUBIC FOOT.
04:25:53PM WE WILL BE ABLE TO STORE VERTICAL, YES.
04:25:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM NOT INTO BUILDING OR CONTRACTING OR
04:26:00PM ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
04:26:01PM I NEED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT.
04:26:04PM WHAT IS THE COST OF SQUARE FOOT TO BUILD A NEW BUILDING NOW?
04:26:09PM >> I HAVE TO DEFER TO OUR CITY PATTER INS ON THAT.
04:26:12PM >> YEAH, WE WILL HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT WITH --
04:26:15PM WITH THE --
04:26:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IN MY MIND -- I KNOW YOU ALREADY HAVE THE
04:26:21PM LAND.
04:26:21PM I HEARD ABOUT BUILDING A NEW BUILDING AND NOT DOING ANYTHING
04:26:26PM AT ALL.
04:26:26PM >> WE DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT THERE.
04:26:30PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I TOOK A GUESS.
04:26:31PM 350 A SQUARE FOOT BECAUSE A HOUSE IS COSTING THAT JUST
04:26:35PM ABOUT.
04:26:36PM THAT NUMBER IS ASTRONOMICAL.
04:26:38PM I AM NOT GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT IT IS.
04:26:41PM YOU FIGURE IT OUT.
04:26:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WITH THE LAND AND EVERYTHING?
04:26:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
04:26:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND.
04:26:46PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
04:26:49PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
04:26:51PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
04:26:52PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
04:26:54PM >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
04:26:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, BECAUSE I AM NOT GOING TO PUT GOOD MONEY
04:26:59PM AFTER BAD.
04:27:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
04:27:01PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON AND HURTAK VOTING NO
04:27:05PM AND CLENDENIN BEING ABSENT.
04:27:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT WAS ITEM 3, ITEM 38 WILL TRANSFER
04:27:15PM WITH THAT.
04:27:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: A WORK ORDER TO PAY THE ARCHITECTS.
04:27:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT IS YOUR COMMITTEE?
04:27:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM NOT MOVING IT.
04:27:24PM I AM VOTING AGAINST ANYTHING FOR THIS.
04:27:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SEE WHO THE ALTERNATE IS -- IT WILL BE
04:27:32PM CHARLIE.
04:27:32PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA FOR ITEM 38, DO YOU WISH TO MOVE THAT
04:27:36PM SIR?
04:27:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 38 IS THE -- IS THE -- THE PROBLEM WE HAD
04:27:40PM STAFF TOGETHER AND IT WAS THE COMPLEMENTARY ONE TO 3.
04:27:46PM I WILL MOVE 38.
04:27:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
04:27:49PM SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
04:27:51PM ROLL CALL VOTE ON THAT.
04:27:52PM THIS ITEM 38.
04:27:53PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
04:27:55PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
04:27:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
04:27:58PM >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
04:27:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO.
04:28:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
04:28:03PM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON AND HURTAK VOTING NO.
04:28:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FINAL ITEM OF THE DAY IS 94.
04:28:11PM BECAUSE IT WAS ASKED -- UNLESS I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT WE HAVE
04:28:15PM SOMEONE PRESENT FOR 94, WHICH WOULD BE MR. BAIRD WHO GAVE A
04:28:20PM WRITTEN REPORT.
04:28:21PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, DO YOU WANT 49 PRESENT, CORRECT?
04:28:25PM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH.
04:28:26PM I JUST THINK THE PUBLIC IS CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.
04:28:28PM SO JUST SHORT PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION SO THE PUBLIC CAN
04:28:34PM SEE.
04:28:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU WANT TO KICK IT OFF.
04:28:39PM >>BILL CARLSON: NO, GO AHEAD.
04:28:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. BAIRD, YOU GAVE A WRITTEN REPORT.
04:28:44PM >>BRAD BAIRD: BRAD BAIRD, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
04:28:50PM SUBMITTED A MEMO ON THIS.
04:28:51PM THE SHORT ANSWER IS, WE DO NOT ALLOW PRIME CONTRACTORS ON
04:28:57PM DESIGN-BUILD PROJECTS TO MARK UP THE SUBCONTRACTORS.
04:29:01PM WE ON DESIGN-BUILD CONTRACTS, PROCURE USING THE CONSULTANTS
04:29:12PM COMPETITIVE NEGOTIATIONS ACT REQUIRED BY LAW TO SELECT A
04:29:17PM DESIGN-BUILD TEAM IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT ACT, WHICH WE DO.
04:29:22PM AND THEN OPPOSED TO AN RFP PROCESS WHICH IS HANDLED BY
04:29:30PM PURCHASING.
04:29:31PM WANTED TO MAKE THAT DISTINCTION PART OF THE CC &A.
04:29:42PM TWO PHASE.
04:29:43PM DESIGN-BUILD INITIAL SERVICES FOR DESIGN.
04:29:46PM AND THEN DESIGN-BUILD SERVICES AGREEMENT IN INCLUDES A
04:29:49PM GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE.
04:29:51PM SO WITH THAT, I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
04:29:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:29:56PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU, FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T KNOW HOW
04:29:59PM YOU WAITED FOR THIS, BUT I KNOW YOU ARE HERE ALL DAY.
04:30:04PM THANK YOU FOR WAITING.
04:30:06PM >>BRAD BAIRD: YOU ARE WELCOME CARLSON CAS WILL'S 'SAY PIE
04:30:11PM HOE THEMCALLY $100 MILLION AND GENERAL CONTRACTOR GETS 5% AS
04:30:16PM A MANAGEMENT FEE.
04:30:17PM IF YOU CAN MARK UP -- LET'S SAY THEY CAN MARK UP THE
04:30:20PM SUBCONTRACTORS 20%.
04:30:21PM MY MATH IS PROBABLY NOT RIGHT, ANOTHER $15 MILLION OR 20
04:30:25PM MILLION IN THERE.
04:30:26PM THE ANSWER WE NOW GIVEN THE PUBLIC IS, NO, YOU CAN NOT.
04:30:30PM >>BRAD BAIRD: WE DO NOT ALLOW THAT.
04:30:33PM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK THAT IS GREAT NEWS.
04:30:35PM BECAUSE -- SO IT WAS WORTH YOU DOING THAT.
04:30:38PM BUT LET ME JUST ASK YOU ONE QUESTION I DIDN'T SEE IN THE
04:30:41PM DOCUMENT.
04:30:42PM HOW YOU ALL VERIFY FOR TRACK THAT.
04:30:45PM DO YOU AUDIT TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE NOT DOING THAT?
04:30:49PM >> ANY INVOICE THAT COMES ACROSS.
04:30:51PM FIRST OF ALL, LET ME BACK UP.
04:30:53PM WE APPROVED THE SUB CONTRACTS.
04:30:56PM WE SEE THOSE.
04:30:57PM AND -- AND, OF COURSE, THE EBO OFFICE ON THE EBO CONTRACTS,
04:31:07PM WITH CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION.
04:31:08PM EVERY MONTH WITH THE INVOICE, WE VERIFY THAT NO MARK-UP ON
04:31:15PM SUB CAN CONTRACTS.
04:31:17PM >>BILL CARLSON: THEY ARE ALSO NOT ALLOWED TO GIVE A FULL FEE
04:31:21PM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
04:31:22PM IF YOU SEE A SUBCONTRACTOR GETTING PAID $10 MILLION AND A
04:31:27PM INVOICE FROM THE SUBCONTRACTOR, THE GENERAL CANNOT GET PAID
04:31:32PM PART OF THAT.
04:31:33PM >>BILL CARLSON: PROHIBITED IN THE CONTRACTS.
04:31:36PM >>BRAD BAIRD: I AM SORRY?
04:31:38PM >>BILL CARLSON: PROHIBITED IN THE CONTRACT?
04:31:41PM >>BRAD BAIRD: IT IS NOT SPECIFICALLY IN THE DESIGN-BUILD,
04:31:45PM BUT WE DON'T ALLOW THAT MARK-UP.
04:31:48PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU FOR THE GOOD NEWS.
04:31:50PM >>BRAD BAIRD: TWO THINGS THAT CONTRACTORS GET IN THE
04:31:52PM DESIGN-BUILD.
04:31:52PM ONE IS GENERAL CONDITIONS AND THE OTHER IS THE DESIGN BUILD
04:31:56PM FEE WHICH IS IN THE 7 TO 9% RANGE.
04:31:59PM DEPENDING ON THE CONTRACT.
04:32:01PM THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT THEY GET.
04:32:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:32:06PM >>BRAD BAIRD: THANK YOU.
04:32:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MADAM CLERK, THAT CONCLUDES THE AGENDA.
04:32:11PM GO TO NEW BUSINESS.
04:32:12PM I HAVE QUITE A FEW ITEMS AND PASS IT ON TO COUNCILMAN VIERA.
04:32:15PM YOU ARE THE IMMEDIATE.
04:32:16PM .<,NEW LINE>>> P[L]As[L]T[L]O[L]R: CHAIR.
04:32:17PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
04:32:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MY FIRST MOTION IS -- I WOULD LIKE TO
04:32:21PM MOTION FOR THE FLORIDA ORCHESTRA TO GIVE A FIVE-MINUTE
04:32:24PM PRESENTATION AT THE SEPTEMBER 5, 2024 REGULAR COUNCIL
04:32:27PM MEETING TO REPORT ON THE SERVICES THAT IT PROVIDED TO OUR
04:32:31PM RESIDENTS -- THAT IT PROVIDED TO OUR RESIDENTS IN THE
04:32:35PM 2023-2024 SEASON.
04:32:36PM THERE IS SPACE AVAILABLE FOR THAT DAY.
04:32:38PM >>LUIS VIERA: A MOTION BY CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO.
04:32:41PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
04:32:43PM ANY DISCUSSION?
04:32:44PM IF NOT, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
04:32:45PM ANY OPPOSE?
04:32:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT, FOR SEPTEMBER 19 -- [GAVEL
04:32:54PM SOUNDING]
04:32:55PM -- ALL RIGHT.
04:32:56PM FOR SEPTEMBER 19, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION TO OFFICER RICHIE
04:33:02PM MERCADO AND THE TAMPA BAY REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL IS
04:33:06PM PRESENTING.
04:33:06PM THIS IS MY MOTION.
04:33:08PM I WILL EXPLAIN TO YOU.
04:33:09PM MAKE A MOTION FOR THE MAYOR'S HISPANIC HERITAGE COMMITTEE
04:33:13PM ALL CITY EMPLOYEES -- MOST OF THEM ALL.
04:33:15PM TO APPEAR BRIEFLY AT SEPTEMBER 19 REGULAR SESSION TO EXTEND
04:33:20PM AN INVITATION TO CITY COUNCIL AS THEY DO EVERY YEAR FOR THE
04:33:23PM MAYOR'S ANNUAL HISPANIC HERITAGE CELEBRATION OCTOBER 1,
04:33:30PM 2024.
04:33:30PM HEARD FIRST OF CEREMONIAL.
04:33:33PM THEY MAY TAKE ONE OR TWO MINUTES.
04:33:35PM THEY ARE EXTENDING THE INVITATION BY COUNCIL.
04:33:39PM >>LUIS VIERA: A MOTION BY CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO.
04:33:40PM SECOND.
04:33:41PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:33:43PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
04:33:44PM OPPOSED?
04:33:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MAKE A MOTION CORRIDOR KRISTEN SALOS TO
04:33:50PM GIVE A PRESENTATION AT THE MEETING REGARDING THE FOUNDATION
04:33:56PM WORK WITH THE CHILDREN'S PROJECT AND THE NIGHT TO REMEMBER
04:33:59PM PROM.
04:34:00PM >>LUIS VIERA: A MOTION BY CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO.
04:34:02PM A SECOND.
04:34:03PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECOND.
04:34:04PM >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
04:34:07PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
04:34:08PM OPPOSED?
04:34:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALBERT COOK TO THE CITIZENS ADVISORY
04:34:15PM COMMITTEE AS REPRESENTATIVE BECAUSE MY REPRESENTATIVE WILL
04:34:17PM BE STEPPING DOWN AT THE END OF THIS BUDGET YEAR.
04:34:20PM >>LUIS VIERA: A MOTION BY CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO.
04:34:22PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
04:34:23PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
04:34:25PM ANY OPPOSE?
04:34:27PM MANISCALCO I WILL BE MEETING WITH T&I NEXT WEEK AND ROLL OUT
04:34:30PM THE KIOSK TO SIGN IN AT THE NEXT WORKSHOP AUGUST 29.
04:34:35PM I WILL TEST IT BEFORE LAND.
04:34:36PM MISS LUCAS WILL BE THERE.
04:34:38PM MY AIDE AND T&I WILL BE THERE.
04:34:42PM IF EVERYTHING IS GOOD READY FOR THE WORKSHOP.
04:34:45PM I KNOW THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAS BEEN WORK AGO THIS.
04:34:52PM SOME OF US CONTACTED BY THE SIERRA CLUB SENDING A LETTER TO
04:34:56PM THE PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION BECAUSE THEY ARE LOOKING AT
04:34:58PM THE RATES THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED BY TECO.
04:35:00PM A LETTER WAS SUBMITTED TO US; HOWEVER, IN THINKING -- AND
04:35:04PM YOU ASK ME IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE.
04:35:06PM TELL ME IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS IF THERE IS A
04:35:09PM SECOND.
04:35:09PM IF WE SEND A LETTER NOT AT THE CITY OF TAMPA OBVIOUSLY
04:35:13PM BECAUSE THE CITY OF TAMPA IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM.
04:35:16PM THEY ARE NOT TAKING THE DECISION.
04:35:17PM AS A CITY COUNCIL, THE LET WEAR ASK THE COMMISSION TO -- AS
04:35:22PM THEY CONSIDER THE RATE BY TECO.
04:35:27PM THE MAYOR WANTS ONE MILL AND THE COUNCIL CAN SAY A THIRD OR
04:35:31PM HALF OF A MILL.
04:35:33PM WHATEVER TECO ASKS FOR, IT DOWN UNDER MEAN THAT IS WHAT THEY
04:35:37PM ARE GOING TO GET.
04:35:38PM IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN SENDING A LETTER FROM TAMPA CITY
04:35:42PM COUNCIL THAT THE COMMISSION TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE FACT
04:35:44PM THAT, YOU KNOW, INFLATION NUMBERS ARE HIGH, EVEN THE --
04:35:48PM TAMPA IS ONE OF THE LOWEST IN THE COUNTRY NOW, HOUSING IS
04:35:51PM EXPENSIVE, INSURANCE, CARS, EVERYTHING IS EXPENSIVE THAT
04:35:54PM THEY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THESE FACTORS AS THEY CONSIDER
04:36:00PM WHATEVER RATE THEY PROPOSE.
04:36:01PM IT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS BEING ASKED BECAUSE WE WORK
04:36:05PM WITH TECO.
04:36:06PM WE ARE PARTNERS WITH TECO.
04:36:07PM I REACH OUT TO THEM FOR TREE TRIMMING.
04:36:09PM FOR ELECTRICAL ISSUES WHATEVER IT IS ON BEHALF OF
04:36:15PM CONSTITUENTS.
04:36:16PM I WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE IF AN INTEREST BY COUNCIL TO
04:36:19PM PURSUE THAT.
04:36:20PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: CAN I SAY SOMETHING.
04:36:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION.
04:36:22PM IF THERE IS A SECOND FOR DISCUSSION.
04:36:24PM IT CAN BE SHOT DOWN OR VOTED UP.
04:36:26PM >>LUIS VIERA: GO AHEAD.
04:36:28PM IF I MAY, FIRST, COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON AND THEN COUNCILMAN
04:36:30PM MIRANDA.
04:36:31PM IF I AM STILL ACTING AS CHAIR.
04:36:34PM JUST MAKING SURE.
04:36:35PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
04:36:35PM THANK YOU.
04:36:36PM MY FIRST THOUGHT WHEN IT CAME TO MY MIND, I THINK WE SHOULD
04:36:43PM STAY OUT OF IT GIVEN THAT THE COUNTY COMMISSION DID SO MUCH
04:36:46PM TO KEEP THE MILLAGE OFF THE BALLOT FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
04:36:50PM SCHOOL BOARD EMPLOYEES.
04:36:52PM AND ATTEMPTED TO DO SO AFTER A COURT DECIDED IT WAS ON THE
04:37:02PM BALLOT.
04:37:02PM A DIFFERENT SITUATION AND IT IS ABOUT MONDAY.
04:37:04PM AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE A LETTER OF
04:37:08PM SUPPORT AND JUST NOT OUR LANE AND I DON'T THINK IT IS
04:37:10PM NECESSARY AND I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING IT.
04:37:12PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
04:37:14PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T KNOW THAT MUCH OF IT AND HOW IT
04:37:17PM CAME UP BEFORE ME.
04:37:18PM I KNOW IT IS COMPLICATED BASED ON DIFFERENT FACTORS.
04:37:22PM IF WE DO SOMETHING AND ASK FOR THEM TO DO SOMETHING, WE
04:37:25PM OURSELVES HAVE TO DO IT FOR OUR OWN BENEFIT.
04:37:28PM IF WE ASK THEM TO NOT TO DO, WE SHOULDN'T DO THAT EITHER.
04:37:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELL, MR. SHELBY BROUGHT TO ME AS PART
04:37:35PM OF THE COUNCIL RULES NO RESOLUTIONS SHOULD BE MADE.
04:37:39PM AND THIS WILL FALL UNDER RESOLUTION THAT IS NOT RELATED TO
04:37:43PM CITY BUSINESS BUSINESS.
04:37:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AGREE.
04:37:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: REQUIRE A --
04:37:51PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE ARE NOT GOING TO WAIVE THE RULES.
04:37:53PM WE DIDN'T WAIVE IT FOR YOU?
04:37:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU KNOW I AM OF TWO MINDS OF THIS.
04:37:57PM TECHNICALLY IT ISN'T OURS, BUT IT IS OURS, BECAUSE WE -- WE
04:38:03PM DO -- I MEAN WE -- WE PAY THE FEE TOO.
04:38:08PM AND IN THAT REGARD, THE CITY OF TAMPA ALSO PAYS.
04:38:12PM SO -- I MEAN, I AM HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE MOTION TO SEE WHERE
04:38:18PM IT GOES I BELIEVE IT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL IMPACT THE CITY.
04:38:30PM >>LUIS VIERA: ANY COMMENTS.
04:38:31PM I WILL BE SUPPORTING IT.
04:38:32PM I VOTED AGAINST THAT COUNCIL RULE ON LETTERS AND WHATNOT
04:38:36PM REGARDING BEING OUTSIDE OF CITY POLICE.
04:38:38PM NUMBER ONE, TO ME, THIS DOES INVOLVE CITY BUSINESS BECAUSE
04:38:42PM INVOLVES THE WELFARE OF CITY OF TAMPA RESIDENTS SO I WILL BE
04:38:46PM SUPPORTING IT.
04:38:47PM JUST BECAUSE MY REQUEST TO WAIVE RULES DON'T GET GRANTED
04:38:51PM DOESN'T MEAN I WON'T SUPPORT OTHER PEOPLE'S REQUEST TO WAIVE
04:38:54PM RULES BECAUSE THAT'S ME.
04:38:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU NEVER ABUSE IT.
04:38:58PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: BUT IS IT NECESSARY FOR US TO WRITE A
04:39:00PM LETTER OF SUPPORT?
04:39:01PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IT AIN'T GOING TO HURT OR HELP.
04:39:04PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHY ARE WE DOING IT.
04:39:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF WE ASK SOMEBODY NOT TO DO IT WITH THE
04:39:10PM AMOUNT OR HOW THEY FIGURE IT OUT.
04:39:12PM WE OURSELVES AT HOME EVEN THOUGH CUSTOMERS OF ELECTRIC
04:39:16PM COMPANY, WE SHOULD PASS ANYTHING THAT COULD HURT THE PUBLIC
04:39:20PM DURING THESE TIMES.
04:39:21PM THAT IS ALL I AM GOING TO SAY.
04:39:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T DISAGREE AND THAT IS ONE OF THE
04:39:26PM REASONS WE CAN WEIGH IN.
04:39:27PM BECAUSE THIS -- I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM
04:39:30PM OTHER RESOLUTIONS IN THAT THEY ARE HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING
04:39:35PM AND WE AS THE COUNCIL ARE GIVING OUR OPINION TO THAT PUBLIC
04:39:39PM HEARING.
04:39:39PM SO.
04:39:40PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I MAY AND I AM SORRY TO SAY IT A
04:39:44PM COUPLE OF TIMES.
04:39:45PM WE GOT TO LOOK AT THE ENVIRONMENT.
04:39:48PM YOU CAN BUILD ANYTHING YOU WANT.
04:39:49PM YOU CAN DO ANYTHING YOU WANT.
04:39:50PM IF YOU DON'T BUILD BUILDINGS WITH SUSTAINABILITY WITH SOLAR
04:39:54PM AND ALL THAT, YOU WILL BE PAYING MORE FOR ELECTRICITY.
04:39:56PM MY BILL NEVER RUNS OVER $27 A MONTH.
04:40:00PM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, MR. SHELBY SHELBY I JUST HAVE A
04:40:04PM QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN.
04:40:05PM I GUESS YOU AS THE MAN WITH THE GAVEL ARE MINDING A
04:40:08PM FINDING THAT THIS CONSTITUTES CITY BUSINESS.
04:40:12PM DOES NOT REQUIRE A WAIVER OF THE RADIO SNULS.
04:40:15PM >>LUIS VIERA: THE LEGAL INTERPRETATION OF THAT WILL BE WITH
04:40:17PM YOU.
04:40:17PM IN MY OPINION, WHAT IS CITY BUSINESS AND WHAT IS NOT IS, FOR
04:40:22PM EXAMPLE, WE WERE ASKED TODAY TO DO A LETTER REGARDING FDOT.
04:40:27PM AND THAT MAY NOT DIRECTLY -- THAT ENTAILS THE WELFARE OF THE
04:40:31PM CITY OF TAMPA RESIDENTS.
04:40:32PM I THINK THAT IS CITY BUSINESS.
04:40:34PM SO, YEAH, I I HAVE -- I HAVE MORE MOTH MODERATELY PERMISSIVE
04:40:41PM INTERPRETATION OF THAT AND THAT IS MY INTERPRETATION.
04:40:43PM IF YOU WANT TO DISAGREE.
04:40:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOT MY PLACE TO DISAGREE.
04:40:47PM THE CHAIR IS THE ONE THAT MAKES THAT DETERMINATION.
04:40:50PM IF SOMEBODY DISAGREES THEY HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION AND
04:40:53PM OVERRULE YOU.
04:40:54PM I AM SAYING YOU ARE MAKING A FINDING AND THIS IS YOUR
04:40:58PM PREROGATIVE.
04:40:58PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCIL, MY VIEW OF SEEING THINGS.
04:41:01PM WE PRESENTLY HAVE A MOTION OF COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND
04:41:09PM SECONDED.
04:41:10PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: NO ONE SECONDED IT.
04:41:13PM >>LUIS VIERA: AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:41:15PM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU KNOW I HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE I HAVE TO
04:41:17PM ABSTAIN IF YOU VOTE.
04:41:19PM CONSIDERING THAT, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO COUNT VOTES.
04:41:22PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
04:41:22PM SO, YEAH, I KNOW, RIGHT.
04:41:24PM WE ARE NOT GOING TO -- IT WILL I GUESS NOT PASS, BUT WE HAVE
04:41:28PM A MOTION AND A SECOND.
04:41:30PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: IT MAY.
04:41:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE HAVE FIVE OF US.
04:41:32PM SO EVEN IF THERE IS ONLY FIVE PEOPLE WHO CAN VOTE, A VOTE OF
04:41:37PM FIVE?
04:41:38PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO FOUR.
04:41:39PM >>LUIS VIERA: IT WILL FAIL.
04:41:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T KNOW THAT.
04:41:46PM >>LUIS VIERA: A MOTION WHICH COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND
04:41:50PM SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:41:51PM TO WRITE CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION
04:41:56PM REGARDING THE PROPOSED TECO HIKE RATES.
04:41:59PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: EXCUSE ME, THE MOTION TO THE PUBLIC SERVICE
04:42:04PM COMMISSION.
04:42:04PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: TO TECO.
04:42:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION.
04:42:08PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: NOT THE COUNTY COMMISSION.
04:42:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, NO.
04:42:13PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING THE COUNTY
04:42:15PM COMMISSION.
04:42:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THOUGHT IT WAS A -- ANALOGOUS TO THE SCHOOL
04:42:20PM BOARD THAT MAKES SENSE.
04:42:21PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OH, OKAY.
04:42:23PM >>LUIS VIERA: AND NOT --
04:42:25PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU KNEW WHAT I MEANT.
04:42:26PM WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY ANYTHING?
04:42:29PM YEAH, WHATEVER.
04:42:30PM >>LUIS VIERA: NOT QUALIFIED A WAIVER OF THE RULES AS I
04:42:35PM EXEMPTED IT.
04:42:36PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I CAN SUPPORT IT.
04:42:37PM LET'S GET IT OVER WITH.
04:42:39PM [LAUGHTER]
04:42:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TAKE THE VOTE.
04:42:43PM >>LUIS VIERA: DO THE VOTE.
04:42:44PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE -- I AM SORRY, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
04:42:46PM BEEN A WHILE.
04:42:47PM ANY OPPOSED?
04:42:50PM >>CLERK: CLERK MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON
04:42:55PM ABSTAINING AND CLENDENIN BEING ABSENT.
04:42:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:43:00PM THANK YOU FOR INDULGING.
04:43:01PM I DON'T TALK THAT LONG.
04:43:02PM START GO COLOMBO.
04:43:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHAT NOW?
04:43:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COLOMBO.
04:43:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I TOLD THAT YOU.
04:43:12PM MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU MENTIONED WE HAVE AN EVENT UPCOMING AT THE
04:43:15PM TAMPA THEATRE FOR HISPANIC WEEK.
04:43:18PM YOU WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION SINCE YOU ARE A CHAIR.
04:43:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I DID.
04:43:21PM IT PASS.
04:43:22PM THEY WILL COME TO INVITE US AS WE ALWAYS DO.
04:43:25PM ANYTHING ELSE.
04:43:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S IT.
04:43:28PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUPLE OF QUICK ONES, IF I MAY.
04:43:30PM I SENT Y'ALL A MEMO OR SEPTEMBER 5, A MOMENT FOR PEPPIN
04:43:35PM ACADEMY IN HONOR OF THEIR 25th ANNIVERSARY FOR TAMPA CITY
04:43:39PM COUNCIL COMMENDATION.
04:43:39PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
04:43:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND.
04:43:42PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
04:43:44PM ANY OPPOSED?
04:43:46PM >>LUIS VIERA: KURT TRELL ON THE BOARD OF TAMPA FIRE FIGHTERS
04:43:52PM IS RETIRING AND WANT TO GIVE HIM AN OFF-SITE COMMENDATION.
04:43:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
04:43:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
04:43:59PM OPPOSED.
04:44:00PM >>LUIS VIERA: SENT A MEMO, JANUARY OF NEXT YEAR JANUARY 23,
04:44:04PM 2024, MOTION FOR PRESENTATION FOR HOLOCAUST REMEMBRANCE DAY
04:44:11PM 202025.
04:44:12PM PURSUANT TO A AUGUST 19,2024.
04:44:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
04:44:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND SECOND.
04:44:19PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
04:44:20PM >>LUIS VIERA: I DIDN'T ASK TO -- I WAS AT -- RAQUEL PANCHO
04:44:26PM MANY OF YOU KNOW OUR A.D.A. COORDINATOR THOMAS ALVANES FOR
04:44:33PM HER ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE DISABILITY
04:44:35PM COMMUNITIES AND I WANT TO GIVE HER A SHOUT OUT BECAUSE SHE
04:44:38PM DOES A GREAT JOB IN OUR CITY FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.
04:44:41PM A WONDERFUL PERSON.
04:44:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ABSOLUTELY.
04:44:43PM CONGRATULATIONS.
04:44:43PM [APPLAUSE]
04:44:45PM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
04:44:46PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: TWO THINGS.
04:44:47PM THEY ARE NOT MOTION.
04:44:48PM ONE THING I WAS TALKING TO HAGAR -- HOW DO YOU SAY YOUR LAST
04:44:53PM NAME FOR THE RECORD?
04:44:56PM THANK YOU.
04:44:56PM HOW DO YOU SAY IT.
04:44:59PM >> KOPESKI.
04:45:01PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WAS SPEAKING TO HER BECAUSE SHE IS OUR
04:45:05PM BUDGET ANALYST.
04:45:07PM AT OUR NEXT BUDGET MEETING I WOULD LIKE FOR HER TO COME
04:45:11PM BEFORE US AT POT PODIUM AND DISCUSSES THINGS FOR ALL OF US
04:45:16PM AND I SOME THINGS I WOULD LIKE FOR HER TO BRING TO LIGHT FOR
04:45:19PM YOU ALL AND I NEW AT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.
04:45:21PM SEPTEMBER 3.
04:45:23PM SHE HAS AGREED.
04:45:24PM I SPOKEN TO HER.
04:45:26PM SO SHE CAN JUST SAY SOME THINGS THAT EVEN I AM THINKING
04:45:28PM ABOUT SO IT CAN EVEN LIGHTEN THE LOAD WHEN WE REALLY GET
04:45:32PM INTO THE TRENCHES OF THE BUDGET DISCUSSION.
04:45:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WOULD IT BE AN ITEM OR WANT HER TO COME LIKE
04:45:37PM AFTER THE PRESENTATION?
04:45:41PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: JUST IN FRONT OF US.
04:45:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THEY USUALLY DO A PRESENTATION.
04:45:45PM AFTER THE PRESENTATION?
04:45:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO IT AFTER THE PRESENTATION.
04:45:48PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: DOES IT HAVE TO BE A MOTION.
04:45:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO JUST TO GIVE OUR WONDERFUL AN IDEA OF WHEN
04:45:55PM SHE WOULD COME UP.
04:45:56PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY.
04:45:56PM MISS SULING, YOU GOT THAT?
04:46:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE DON'T NEED A MOTION.
04:46:01PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: EVERYTHING DOESN'T HAVE TO BE MOTION
04:46:03PM AROUND HERE.
04:46:03PM OKAY.
04:46:04PM THE OTHER THING, IT CONTINUES TO BE BLACK BUSINESS MONTH,
04:46:08PM AND SO I AM JUST ENCOURAGING THE PUBLIC TO SUPPORT OUR LOCAL
04:46:12PM SMALL BUSINESSES AROUND THE CITY OF TAMPA.
04:46:14PM THERE ARE SOME WONDERFUL INSTAGRAM POSTS THAT HIGHLIGHT
04:46:19PM BLACK BUSINESSES THAT I DIDN'T EVEN THOUGH EXISTED ON
04:46:22PM INSTAGRAM.
04:46:22PM THERE IS JUST SO MUCH INFORMATION OUT THERE, SO I ENCOURAGE
04:46:26PM TO YOU CHECK OUT SOCIAL MEDIA THERE.
04:46:28PM THERE ARE SOME WONDERFUL SPACES THAT EXIST AND THAT IS JUST
04:46:31PM ONE OF THE WAYS WE CAN KNOW ABOUT IT.
04:46:33PM THANK YOU.
04:46:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:46:36PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:46:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK: A BIG FESTIVAL.
04:46:39PM B-I-G.
04:46:41PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: LAST WEEK.
04:46:42PM PERRY HARVEY PARK.
04:46:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT BECAUSE ONE OF THE
04:46:48PM ORGANIZERS I MET ON TUESDAY, I BELIEVE.
04:46:50PM DEFINITELY.
04:46:51PM FOLKS --
04:46:51PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PERRY HARVEY PARK.
04:46:53PM HE IS GOING TO KILL ME.
04:46:54PM I MET HER AT THE JUNETEENTH FESTIVAL.
04:46:56PM AND SHE DROPPED SOME POSTCARDS OFF AT THE BOOK STORE.
04:47:00PM THERE IS A FESTIVAL.
04:47:01PM AND THAT INFORMATION IS -- OH, IT IS ACTUALLY ON OUR CITY
04:47:05PM WEB SITE, BOTH EVENTS.
04:47:07PM THANK YOU.
04:47:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
04:47:08PM NO PROBLEM.
04:47:10PM I AM EXCITED ABOUT THAT ONE.
04:47:11PM SO SOME OF THESE ARE -- WELL, ALL OF THESE ARE THINGS I
04:47:16PM TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.
04:47:17PM SO -- I MOVE TO INVITE HART -- A HART REPRESENTATIVE TO
04:47:22PM APPEAR TO THE SEPTEMBER, TO YOU, SPECIALLY CALLED BUDGET
04:47:29PM MEETING FOR MY PROPOSAL FOR A FARE-FREE PILOT PROGRAM FOR
04:47:34PM ROUTE 1.
04:47:35PM >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND.
04:47:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:47:37PM SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
04:47:39PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: CAN YOU REPEAT IT AGAIN?
04:47:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
04:47:43PM ASKING THE HART REPRESENTATIVE TO COME AT THE SEPTEMBER 3
04:47:46PM MEETING TO GIVE A PRESENTATION ON THE PROPOSAL FOR A
04:47:50PM FARE-FREE PILOT AND I ALREADY SPOKEN TO A REPRESENTATIVE,
04:47:54PM AND THEY ARE HAPPY TO COME.
04:47:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD.
04:47:56PM A MOTION AND A SECOND.
04:47:57PM I WAS HAVING COFFEE AT MY USUAL COFFEE SHOP AND BUMPED FROM
04:48:02PM SOMEBODY THERE.
04:48:02PM NEVER SEEN THEM BEFORE THERE AND WET A GREAT CONVERSATION OF
04:48:06PM THAT.
04:48:06PM AN EXCITING MOTION.
04:48:07PM WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
04:48:08PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
04:48:09PM ANY OPPOSED?
04:48:11PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I AM GOING TO SAY NAY ON THAT ONE FOR THE
04:48:14PM RECORD.
04:48:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I MOVE TO REMOVE THE SMART CITY PARKING
04:48:19PM GUIDANCE 1002525 FROM THE CIP LIST AND REALLOCATE THE $5
04:48:27PM MILLION FROM FY '25 TO TRANSPORTATION OPERATIONS FOR PAVING
04:48:32PM SPECIFICALLY STREET RESURFACING 1002350.
04:48:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND [CLAPPING]
04:48:44PM [GAVEL SOUNDING]
04:48:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BASICALLY WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR.
04:48:47PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU CAN STOP -- THE REASON I AM STOPPING
04:48:51PM AND A MOTION LIKE THAT IS OUT OF ORDER THAT THE TIME.
04:48:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, WE HAVE TO DO IT AT THE MEETING?
04:48:57PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT MOTION HAS TO BE BROUGHT BACK --
04:49:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WAS TRYING TO GET THINGS AHEAD OF TIME SO
04:49:02PM THEY KNEW.
04:49:04PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: BUT THE TIME TO MAKE THAT MOTION IS AT THE
04:49:06PM BUDGET HEARING.
04:49:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T THINK I AM HIDING FROM ANYBODY.
04:49:10PM SO PROBABLY ALAN'S MOTION TOO.
04:49:13PM I WILL WITHDRAW IT.
04:49:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: READED PREVIOUS MOTION.
04:49:18PM >>CLERK: PREVIOUS MOTION PASSED WITH HENDERSON VOTE NOTHING.
04:49:23PM AND CLENDENIN BEING ABSENT.
04:49:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT WAS THE HART MOTION.
04:49:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK: AND THEN COUNCILMAN MIRANDA ALLUDED TO THIS
04:49:32PM EARLIER.
04:49:33PM I MOVE TO HAVE CITY COUNCIL PREPARE A RESOLUTION OPPOSE -- I
04:49:37PM AM SORRY, MR. VIERA -- OPPOSING THE EXPANSION OF 275 FROM
04:49:41PM HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE TO BEARSS AVENUE.
04:49:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I SECOND THAT.
04:49:47PM I AM NOT AGAINST.
04:49:50PM WHAT DO YOU LIVE UNDER THE SPRAY.
04:49:54PM WE NEED TO FIND SOME OTHER FORM OF TRANSPORTATION.
04:49:56PM IF NOT, IT IS NEVER EVER GOING TO BE SOLVED.
04:49:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT SAN EXCELLENT RESOLUTION WITH A
04:50:01PM SECOND.
04:50:02PM ALL IN FAVOR.
04:50:02PM ANY OPPOSED?
04:50:05PM ANYTHING ELSE?
04:50:09PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I AM NOT GOING TO BULLDOZE ANYBODY.
04:50:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S RIGHT.
04:50:12PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:50:13PM >>BILL CARLSON: TWO THINGS REAL FAST.
04:50:15PM THANK YOU TO COUNCILMAN VIERA FOR BRINGING UP RAQUEL.
04:50:18PM SHE IS -- SHE IS JUST A SUPERSTAR WHO CHANGES PEOPLE'S
04:50:23PM LIVES.
04:50:23PM I WANT TO PERSONALLY THANK HER AS WELL.
04:50:26PM CON STITCH WHENS IN MY DISTRICT INCREDIBLE THE DIFFERENCE
04:50:33PM MADE.
04:50:33PM AND YOU MAY SEE THE PROPOSAL BY THE GOVERNOR TO DEVELOP PART
04:50:39PM OF STATE PARK TO PUT HOTELS AND GOLF COURSES AND EVERYTHING
04:50:42PM IN.
04:50:42PM THERE IS A FROM TEST DISCUSSION ON THAT FOR THE HILLSBOROUGH
04:50:46PM RIVER STATE PARK THAT-AT JIMMY B. KELLY LIBRARY AT 2 P.M. ON
04:50:50PM AUGUST 27.
04:50:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JIMMY B. PEELE.
04:50:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION -- OH, JUST AN ANNOUNCEMENT.
04:51:02PM ANYONE ELSE?
04:51:03PM >>BILL CARLSON: THAT'S IT.
04:51:04PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: MOTION RECEIVE AND FILE.
04:51:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
04:51:08PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
04:51:09PM WE ARE ADJOURNED.
04:51:14PM [GAVEL SOUNDING]
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