TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, AUGUST 22, 2024, 9:00 A.M.

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[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
9:01:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO
ORDER.
AT THIS TIME, I YIELD TO COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA FOR TODAY'S
INVOCATION.
9:01:31AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
IT IS MY GREAT PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE CHAPLAIN AND PASTOR
KERRY NANCE WHO IS A TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT CHAPLAIN AND
PASTURE OF SOUTHSIDE BAPTIST CHURCH.
HE WAS BORN IN RUSTIN, LOUISIANA, TO PASTOR AND MRS. RUBIN
NANCE.
HE MARRIED HIS WIFE AMY IN 1993 WITH WHOM SHE HAS THREE
CHILDREN.
BOTH HE AND AMY'S FATHERS ARE BOTH BAPTIST PASTORS.
HE CAME TO BECOME A CHRISTIAN AT THE AGE OF 4 AT THE
LANDMARK BAPTIST CHURCH IN HAINES CITY, FLORIDA, AND WAS
CALLED TO PREACH AT THE AGE OF 15 AT A CHRISTIAN SCHOOL

RETREAT.
SO PLEASE RISE IF YOU ARE ABLE TO DO SO FOR THE INVOCATION
AND STAY STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE.
GO AHEAD, SIR.
9:02:16AM >> WELL, LET'S PRAY.
OUR FATHER, WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE
HERE.
WE THANK YOU, LORD, FOR YOUR FAVOR AND YOUR GRACE TO US.
LORD, TODAY, AS WE COME UPON THIS DAY, WE THANK YOU FOR THE
CITY OF TAMPA AND, LORD, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT YOU HAVE BLESSED
THIS CITY IN A GREAT WAY.
LORD, WE DO ASK THAT YOU WOULD CONTINUE TO PUT YOUR HAND OF
FAVOR UPON US.
WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD BE WITH OUR MAYOR AND, LORD, WITH THE
CITY COUNCIL MEN.
LORD, AS THEY MAKE DECISIONS AND AS THEY GOVERN AND AS THEY
HANDLE SO MANY THINGS, I PRAY, LORD, THAT YOU WOULD BLESS
THEM WITH WISDOM, WITH KNOWLEDGE, WITH UNDERSTANDING.
LORD, I KNOW THAT THERE'S PROBABLY GREAT WEIGHTS THAT THEY
CARRY.
HELP THEM AND GIVE THEM GRACE THAT THEY HAVE AND THAT THEY
NEED.
BLESS THEIR FAMILIES.
LORD, WE DON'T KNOW THE INDIVIDUAL CRISIS OR STRUGGLES,
LORD, THAT MAY BE BEHIND THE SCENES.

BUT I PRAY, LORD, THAT YOU WOULD BE WITH THEM AND BE WITH
THEIR STAFF.
LORD, I KNOW THAT THEY ARE VIGILANT, LORD, AS THEY HELP THEM
AS WELL.
GOD, WE DO PRAY FOR OUR CITY.
WE THINK OF THE FIRST RESPONDERS AND OUR POLICE AND FIREMEN
THAT ARE CONSTANTLY ON THOSE FRONT LINES.
WE ASK, LORD, FOR GRACE AND PROTECTION UPON THEM.
LORD, WE DO KNOW THAT AT ANY TIME, LORD, THERE COULD BE
CRISIS OR DANGER, BUT WE DO UNDERSTAND, LORD, THAT YOU HAVE
SHOWN GREAT MERCY TO US.
LORD, EVEN AS WE COME UPON THE HURRICANE SEASON, LORD, WE DO
PRAY, LORD, YOU WOULD PUT A PROTECTION ABOUT THIS CITY AND
THAT YOU WOULD SHOW US KINDNESS.
LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR FATEFULNESS AND HOW MUCH YOU
LOVE US EVERY DAY.
WE THANK YOU, LORD, FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.
THANK YOU FOR JESUS CHRIST AND, LORD, FOR HIS CARE TO US.
IT IS IN HIS NAME WE PRAY, AMEN.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:04:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LET'S DO ROLL CALL.
9:04:20AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
9:04:22AM >> HURTAK?
CLENDENIN?
HENDERSON?

9:04:24AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PRESENT.
9:04:25AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
9:04:25AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
9:04:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
9:04:28AM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
9:04:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE MINUTES FROM AUGUST 1st
AND THEN THE EVENING SESSION OF AUGUST 8, 2024.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK IS HERE.
I HAVE A MEMO FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN THAT HE WILL BE
ABSENT AT TODAY'S MEETING.
WE'LL SUBMIT THAT INTO THE RECORD.
MR. SHELBY, DO YOU WANT TO REVIEW THE RULES AND PROCEDURES
FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME OR WAIT UNTIL THEN?
9:04:58AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO, WE CAN DO IT NOW, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL.
MARTIN SHELBY, THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
THIS MORNING, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN A
REASONABLE OPPORTUNITY AT TODAY'S MEETING TO ADDRESS ANY
ITEM ON THE AGENDA BEFORE CITY COUNCIL TAKES OFFICIAL ACTION

ON AN ITEM.
A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT APPLIES TO ALL SPEAKERS PROVIDING
FOR PUBLIC COMMENT DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
AGAIN, IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT,
PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND PLACE IT IN THE BOX
OUTSIDE THESE CHAMBERS.
ONE CARD PER SPEAKER.
CARDS WILL BE ACCEPTED UNTIL THE START OF GENERAL PUBLIC
COMMENT AND EACH PERSON SUBMITTING A CARD WILL BE RECOGNIZED
BY NAME TO APPROACH AND SPEAK.
NAMES THAT CANNOT BE READ WILL NOT BE CALLED.
PLEASE PRINT LEGIBLY.
NOW, IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK TODAY AT A PUBLIC HEARING,
IT'S DESIGNATED AS A PUBLIC HEARING ON YOUR AGENDA, USE THE
SIGN-IN SHEET AT THE LECTERN OUTSIDE INSTEAD.
IF YOU NEED ASSISTANCE, THERE IS CITY STAFF AVAILABLE TO
ASSIST YOU.
NOW, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE ALSO REMINDED THAT YOU ARE TO
REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING MAKING VULGAR OR
THREATENING REMARKS OR MAKING OR CAUSING DISRUPTIVE NOISES
OR SOUNDS OR DISPLAYING SIGNS OR GRAPHICS.
PLEASE, ALSO, REFRAIN FROM MAKING PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST
ANY CITY OFFICIAL, STAFF MEMBER, OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
THE CHAIR WILL RULE OUT OF ORDER ANY PERSON WHO SPEAKS
WITHOUT BEING RECOGNIZED OR ATTEMPTS TO ADDRESS THE CITY

COUNCIL FROM OUTSIDE THE SPEAKER AREA AT THE PODIUM.
PERSONS FAILING TO COMPLY WITH THE COUNCIL RULES MAY ALSO BE
RULED OUT OF ORDER AND AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR MAY BE
REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBERS FOR THE REMAINDER OF TODAY'S
MEETING.
FINALLY, CITY COUNCIL, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING A
SPEAKER DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.
PLEASE, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, BE AWARE THAT THE CITY
COUNCIL DOES NOT TAKE QUESTIONS OR HAVE A DIALOGUE DURING
GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS YOUR POSITION.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:06:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
BEFORE WE GO TO HOUSEKEEPING, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK AT
GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING AND HAVE NOT FILLED
A CARD, PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD AT THIS TIME AND THEN WE'LL
TAKE EVERYONE IN ORDER WHEN PUBLIC COMMENT TIME BEGINS.
AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE AGENDA.
FIRST, A REQUEST -- OR A MEMO FROM MR. BRAD BAIRD REQUESTING
THAT ITEM 3 BE MOVED TO STAFF REPORTS AND HEARD FIRST.
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
9:07:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN WE ADD NUMBER 38 WITH IT?
BECAUSE THEY GO TOGETHER.
9:07:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO 38, I'LL MAKE A NOTE.
3 AND 38, IF WE CAN HEAR THEM TOGETHER FIRST UNDER STAFF

REPORTS.
9:07:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO MOVED.
9:07:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK,
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
WE HAVE A MEMO RECEIVED FROM MR. DAVID MECHANIK REQUESTING
THAT ITEM 84 BE WITHDRAWN.
CAN I GET A MOTION?
ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL WAIT UNTIL 1:30, BUT WE'LL MAKE A NOTE OF THAT.
WE'LL GO THROUGH STAFF REPORTS.
ONE BY ONE.
WE ALREADY MENTIONED THAT 3 AND THEN THE OTHER ITEM HEARD
TOGETHER FIRST.
THERE IS NO ADMINISTRATION UPDATE, IS THAT CORRECT, CHIEF
BENNETT?
ALL RIGHT.
NO ADMINISTRATION UPDATE.
WE'LL GO TO 86.
DO WE NEED STAFF PRESENT FOR THAT?
NO.
OKAY.
87?
NO.

ITEM 88?
NO.
89?
90?
91?
92?
9:08:35AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I DON'T.
I'M THE MAKER.
9:08:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
THERE IS A WRITTEN REPORT, SO WE CAN RECEIVE AND FILE.
THIS IS 92.
9:08:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THERE IS A WRITTEN REPORT, AND I'M -- I
ACTUALLY HAVE MADE AN APPOINTMENT TO TALK TO CHIEF BERCAW
AFTER WHAT I ASKED CHIEF BENNETT ABOUT ADDING MORE MONEY TO
THE BUDGET.
AFTER HE EXPLAINED HOW THEY ARE LOOKING AT THE CALL PROGRAM
A LITTLE BIT MORE.
I WILL PROBABLY BE BRINGING THIS BACK AT SOME POINT, BUT I'M
HAPPY WITH THE REPORT.
9:09:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
SO NO.
WE'LL RECEIVE AND FILE ITEM NUMBER 92.
ITEM NUMBER 93?
9:09:16AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'M FINE, THANK YOU.
9:09:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NOBODY FOR 93.

94?
YES.
WE WILL HAVE SOMEBODY PRESENT FOR 94.
MR. BAIRD SENT OUT A MEMO, BUT BE PRESENT FOR 94.
95?
9:09:28AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE
FOR THAT?
KAYON HENDERSON IS GONE.
I'M HAPPY WITH THE MEMORANDUM AS STATED.
9:09:34AM >> MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE 95.
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, SECOND FROM COUNCIL
MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA IS REQUESTING ITEM NUMBER 96 BE
RECEIVED AND FILED.
IS THAT CORRECT, SIR?
9:09:46AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
9:09:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
NO ONE PRESENT FOR 96.
CAN I GET A MOTION?
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.

FOR 97, IF WE CAN CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO JANUARY 9, 2025.
9:10:00AM >>LUIS VIERA:
SO MOVED.
9:10:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER --
9:10:03AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
97?
9:10:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THIS IS 97.
JANUARY 9, 2025.
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
CAN WE GET A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE 98 AND 99?
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ITEM NUMBER 100 TO BE REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA.
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
ALL RIGHT.
AT THIS TIME, CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AND
THE ADDENDUM?
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.

SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
COMMENDATION NUMBER 1, MR. RICHARD FORMICA.
I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:10:58AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE'VE HAD
A LOT OF COMMENDATIONS YEARLY AND FOR MANY YEARS.
IN THIS CASE, THIS IS ONE THAT IS EXTREMELY HONORABLE FOR ME
AND FOR ALL OF US WHO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS GENTLEMAN HAS
DONE FOR AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER.
IT GOES BACK INTO THE '90s, I THINK.
MR. RICHARD FORMICA NOT ONLY IS HE DESERVING OF THIS
COMMENDATION, BUT AN INDIVIDUAL THAT HAS DONE SOMETHING
EVERY DAY FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.
IT'S ABOUT ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT RESOURCES WE HAVE THAT
WITHOUT IT WE CAN LIVE, NOT US, NOT YOU, NOT NO ONE ON
EARTH, AND THAT'S WATER.
HE'S DONE AN ADMIRABLE, FANTASTIC JOB.
I'LL READ THE COMMENDATION THAT IS ENDEARING TO HIS HEART
AND EVERYBODY HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THE DROUGHT OF 2006 THROUGH 2009 HAD JUST BEGUN.
THIS WAS ONE PERSON WHO WAS CLOSELY FOLLOWING THE DATA
ASSOCIATED WITH NOAA RAIN GAUGES, RIVER FLOWS,
CONTRIBUTIONS, STEAM FLOWS, RESERVOIR LEVELS AND MINIMUM

FLOWS OF THE LOWER HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
HIS NAME IS RICHARD FORMICA.
HE SEEMED TO KNOW ALL THE RIVER VARIABLES, EVEN BETTER THAN
OUR OWN WATER DEPARTMENT.
HE BECAME A NATURAL AND LOGICAL APPOINTMENT TO SERVE AS THE
CITY'S REPRESENTATIVE ON THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER WATER BOARD
TECHNICAL ADVISORY COUNCIL, BETTER KNOWN AS TAC.
DURING HIS 11 YEARS ON TAC, HE CONTINUOUSLY CHALLENGED
EVERYONE TO LEARN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE ABOUT THE HILLSBOROUGH
RIVER AND THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER RESERVOIR.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, HE CHALLENGED WATER DEPARTMENT
PERSONNEL TO NOT ONLY FOLLOW THE DATA BUT TO UNDERSTAND IT
AND THE DATA BE USED TO MAKE SOUND OPERATIONAL DECISIONS.
THE INFORMATION WAS USED TO MAKE DECISIONS ON DAM
OPERATIONS, WHEN AND HOW TO BUY WATER AND FINISHED WATER
FROM TAMPA BAY WATER, WATERING RESTRICTIONS MINIMUMS, FLOWS
OF THE LOWER HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, RICHARD HELD US ALL
ACCOUNTABLE.
AND FOR THAT WE ARE VERY ETERNALLY GRATEFUL THAT IN THIS
PRESENT DAY THAT THIS COMMENDATION BE PRESENTED TO RICHARD
FORMICA ON THE 22nd DAY OF AUGUST, 2024.
IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND DO SOMETHING NO
MATTER IF IT IS COLD, HOT, RAINY, SOGGY, TEMPERATURES YOU
CAN'T BREATHE IN.
HE'S DONE IT EVERY DAY.

WITHOUT PAY.
AND HE DOES IT BECAUSE OF THE KINDNESS OF HIS HEART, BUT
ALSO THAT HE WANTS TO MAKE TAMPA THE BEST PLACE TO LIVE.
AND HE'S, IN MY BOOK, HE'S ONE OF THE HEROES OF THE NONPAID
BRIGADE.
I KNOW YOU SERVED IN THE MILITARY FOR MANY YEARS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE COUNTRY AND THANK YOU FOR
YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA.
CONGRATULATIONS.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:14:22AM >> TAMPA CITY COUNCIL LADIES, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL GENTLEMEN,
THANK YOU FOR HONORING ME FOR MY CIVIL SERVICE REPRESENTING
THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA ON THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER TECHNICAL
ADVISORY COUNCIL.
FOR ABOUT 11 YEARS, I ATTENDED MONTHLY MEETINGS WITH A
COUPLE OF CIVILIANS LIKE MYSELF AND BY MANY PROFESSIONAL
EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY AND THE COUNTY AND THE STATE AGENCIES
ALL CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE WATERS IN
THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER AND THE COMMUNITIES ALONG THE RIVER.
IT HAS BEEN VERY INTERESTING AND I APPRECIATE THIS HONOR AND
COMMENDATION.
ANY QUESTIONS?
9:15:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
CONGRATULATIONS.
[ APPLAUSE ]

9:15:21AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE
TODAY, THE REPLACEMENT THAT THIS COUNCIL VOTED UNANIMOUSLY
TO REPLACE RICHARD FORMICA, AND JOE BROWN.
I WOULD LIKE YOU TO MEET MR. FORMICA AND FOLLOW IN THE SMALL
FOOTSTEPS WITH A BIG PRINT.
9:15:37AM >> GOOD LUCK.
9:15:39AM >> YES, I HAVE VERY BIG SHOES TO FILL.
I MET MR. FORMICA WHEN I WAS AT THE WATER MANAGEMENT
DISTRICT.
AS A CITIZEN APPOINTEE, VERY FORMIDABLE WHEN IT CAME TO
TECHNICAL DISCUSSIONS AND BROUGHT A LOT OF VALUE AND HANDS
DOWN THE MOST ENGAGED AND CONTRIBUTING CITIZEN APPOINTEE OF
THE BOARD THE ENTIRE TIME I WAS ON IT.
9:15:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
VERY GOOD.
I BELIEVE --
9:15:59AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE.
THANK YOU FOR TEACHING SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR US
AT THE WATER PLANT HOW TO DO LITTLE THINGS AND BIG THINGS
LIKE THIS.
IN WATER, THERE'S NO LITTLE THING.
IT'S ALWAYS A CURRENT EVENT.
9:16:14AM >> THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
9:16:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO
WISHES TO PRESENT YOU WITH SOMETHING AS WELL.
9:16:20AM >> GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION OF
NEIGHBORHOODS.
I DON'T GET UP HERE AND SAY THAT VERY OFTEN.
BUT MR. FORMICA HAS BEEN A THAN MEMBER FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, HE HAS NOT ONLY RETIRED FROM THE
WATER BOARD, BUT HE'S RETIRED FROM THAN AS WELL.
AND WE DESPERATELY MISS HIM.
SO OUR BOARD VOTED TO MAKE MR. FORMICA THE VERY FIRST
HONOREE THAN MEMBER FOR LIFE.
IF YOU WANT TO COME TO THE MEETINGS, YOU MAY COME ANYTIME
YOU'D LIKE.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WERE RECOGNIZED IN ALL YOUR
HARD WORK FOR YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY, NOT JUST WITH
THE WATER BOARD BUT IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS AS WELL.
I'LL CARRY THIS OUT FOR YOU.
9:17:01AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:17:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:17:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA.
IT'S PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT MAKE THIS CITY DO WHAT IT CAN.
WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE.
WE HAVE OUR STAFF MEMBERS, BUT THEN THOSE WHO JUST CARE

ENOUGH TO JUST REALLY, REALLY DAY IN AND DAY OUT BE
ACTIVISTS.
WE ARE SO, SO GRATEFUL FOR WHAT YOU'VE GIVEN TO THE CITY.
I HOPE YOU ENJOY YOUR WELL-EARNED RETIREMENT, EVEN FROM
VOLUNTEER WORK.
9:17:43AM >> I'M TRYING TO.
9:17:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALL RIGHT.
NEXT UP, WE HAVE F.D.O.T.
I BELIEVE I SAW THEM HERE.
THEY WILL GIVE A TEN-MINUTE UPDATE ON PROJECTS WITHIN THE
CITY OF TAMPA.
GOOD MORNING, SIR.
9:17:56AM >> JUSTIN, DOT DISTRICT 7.
NO PRESENTATION TODAY.
I FIGURED I WOULD COME GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE AND
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND GO FROM THERE.
A REAL QUICK UPDATE, ONE OF THE PROJECTS I WAS ASKED ABOUT
WAS THE 275 DESIGN PROJECT FROM HILLSBOROUGH NORTH TO
BEARSS.
WE RECENTLY BEGAN DESIGN AGAIN.
THAT PROJECT WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY ON
UNDERPASS IMPROVEMENTS, LOCAL STREET CONNECTIONS LIKE WE
HAVE DONE ON THE OTHER PROJECTS.
ONE DAY WE SHOULD PROBABLY COME GIVE AN UPDATE ABOUT WHERE

WE STARTED ON THE PROJECT TO THE SOUTH AND WHERE WE ENDED AS
FAR AS SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS, WALLS, LIGHTING, THINGS OF
THAT NATURE BECAUSE QUITE A BIT DID CHANGE BASED ON FEEDBACK
FROM THE COMMUNITY.
THAT DESIGN IS GOING TO GET UNDERWAY, SO THERE WILL BE
SEVERAL MEETINGS ON THAT.
QUICK UPDATE ON OLA AVENUE AND CENTRAL AVENUE BIKEWAY.
WE CONTRACTED WITH THE CONTRACTOR.
THOSE WERE GREAT PROJECTS, GREAT SUCCESSES OF PARTNERSHIPS
BETWEEN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE D.O.T.
THOSE PROJECTS WILL START CONSTRUCTION LATER THIS YEAR.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE TARGETING DECEMBER.
IT'S A LITTLE OVER A YEAR OF CONSTRUCTION ON THOSE PROJECTS.
I THINK IF ALL GOES WELL, WE'RE ANTICIPATING THE PROJECTS
WILL OPEN MARCH OR APRIL OF THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
IT WOULD BE 2026.
IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING, I ASKED MY STAFF FOR SOME DETAILS,
BECAUSE WE GET ASKED A LOT ON HOW MUCH DO WE INVEST ON
STAND-ALONE BIKE PED FACILITIES.
IT'S REALLY HARD FOR US TO FIND THAT NUMBER BECAUSE OF THE
WAY OUR SYSTEM CODES EVERYTHING.
IT'S A LITTLE ANTIQUATED.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT.
WHAT WE DID FIND OUT, THOUGH, WE'VE GOT ABOUT A HUNDRED
MILLION DOLLARS OF STAND-ALONE BIKE LANES, SIDEWALK, TRAIL

PROJECTS PROGRAMMED IN DISTRICT 7, BOTH RETROACTIVE LOOKING
BACK AT THE YEARS AND LOOKING FORWARD.
ABOUT A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS INVESTMENT.
WHEN WE GET ASKED THAT, WHERE ARE WE MAKING THAT INVESTMENT,
AND WE'VE GOT ABOUT 50 MILES OF BIKE LANES/SIDEWALK PROJECTS
INSIDE THE CITY OF TAMPA PROPER.
PRETTY BIG INVESTMENT THERE.
THAT'S FROM A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN US, THE CITY COUNCIL, CITY
STAFF.
I KNOW VIK, WE WORK QUITE A BIT ON THE GREEN SPINE PROJECT.
A LOT OF SUCCESSES THERE.
QUICK UPDATE ON 275.
9:20:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
9:20:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE THAT YOU HIT THE HIGH NOTES BECAUSE THAT'S
PRETTY MUCH ALL THE QUESTIONS PEOPLE HAVE.
I'M GOING TO START WITH SOME OF THE EASIER -- WELL, NOT
EASIER -- BUT AS FAR AS THE OLA AND CENTRAL PROJECTS,
BIKEWAY PROJECTS GO, THE THING THAT I'M ASKED ABOUT
CONSTANTLY, IS THERE GOING TO BE A LIGHT AT MLK?
IS THERE GOING TO BE A LIGHT AT COLUMBUS?
ARE THOSE GOING TO BE PUSH-BUTTON CROSSWALKS?
IF YOU KNOW THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
9:20:42AM >> COOL.

I CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THAT.
JUST A FEW THINGS.
ON THE OLA AVENUE BIKEWAY, THERE WILL BE RAISED ISLANDS WITH
DELINEATION FOR ON-STREET PARKING ALONG HANNA, OLA AND
HIGHLAND, ALSO CROSSWALKS AT OLA OSBORNE INTERSECTIONS.
ALSO THE ADDITION OF NEW MARKED CROSSWALKS AND INTERSECTION
LIGHTING FOR COLUMBUS DRIVE, WHICH INCLUDES AN RFB.
MARTIN LUTHER KING WHICH IS A FULLY ACTUATED TRAFFIC SIGNAL
FOR THE PEDS.
AND PEDESTRIAN HYBRID BEACON AT SLIGH.
SO THAT'S ON THE OLA PROJECT.
THEN ON CENTRAL AVENUE, WE'D HAVE RFBs AT PALM, COLUMBUS,
FERN, AND FLORA.
9:21:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GREAT.
I APPRECIATE THAT DETAIL.
THIS IS A PROJECT YOU DID NOT MENTION, BUT I HAVE TALKED TO
YOU ABOUT IN THE PAST.
THE FLORIDA TAMPA STORMWATER PROJECT AND HOW THIS IS NO
LONGER GOING TO HAVE A STORMWATER COMPONENT.
CAN YOU TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT?
9:21:42AM >> SURE.
SOME OF IT IS COST ESCALATION WHICH EVERYBODY IS DEALING
WITH.
HISTORY FOR EVERYONE, WHEN WE SUBMITTED FOR FEDERAL GRANT
FOR THAT PROJECT, WE RECEIVED FEDERAL GRANT.

ONE COMPONENT OF THE FEDERAL GRANT WAS THE DRAINAGE
IMPROVEMENTS.
WE HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH THE FEDS TO LET THEM KNOW, HEY,
BASED ON COST ESCALATION, WE CAN MEET THESE COMPONENTS OF
THE GRANT.
WE CAN'T MEET THE DRAINAGE COMPONENTS.
FOR MAGNITUDE, A LOT OF TIMES GET ASKED THAT, I THINK THE
DELTA IS ABOUT $70 MILLION DIFFERENCE FOR THE DRAINAGE
IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH IT STARTED OFF AT ABOUT 16 MILLION.
NOW IT'S ABOUT 70 MILLION.
THE D.O.T. WE'VE INVESTED QUITE A BIT IN THE PROJECT TO KEEP
IT MOVING BECAUSE THE FEDS ONLY GAVE US I THINK 17 MILLION.
I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE EXACT DOLLAR AMOUNT THE FEDS GAVE US
ON THAT.
QUITE A BIT OF INVESTMENT FROM THE STATE.
WE'LL STILL HAVE THE WIDE SIDEWALK BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S
BEEN A DISCUSSION.
SO THERE WILL BE ON TAMPA AVENUE, THERE WILL BE A TRAIL.
ON FLORIDA, WE'LL BE WIDENING THE SIDEWALKS WHERE WE CAN AND
TRYING TO MINIMIZE UTILITY CONFLICTS BECAUSE THAT IS ANOTHER
CONVERSATION WE HAVE QUITE A BIT.
THERE ARE UTILITY POLES RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SIDEWALK.
WE STILL WILL DO THE MID BLOCK CROSSINGS AND SOME OF THE
OTHER IMPROVEMENTS AND TRY AND SET UP THE ADA FOR TRANSIT.
OBVIOUSLY THAT IS ANOTHER BIG CONVERSATION THERE, STREETCAR,

EXPRESS BUS ON FLORIDA TAMPA.
MAKING SURE WE SET THAT UP TO WORK WITH THAT.
9:23:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE TAMPA STREET
SIDEWALKS ARE GOING TO BE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING BOTH
SIDES OF TAMPA STREET?
9:23:11AM >> SO, I BELIEVE ON ONE SIDE, JUST TRYING TO WIDEN THE
SIDEWALK.
ON THE WEST SIDE, IT'S 8 TO 10 FEET.
THERE ARE SOME AREAS WHERE IT GETS TAPERED DOWN TO 8.
BUT 8 TO 10 FEET ON THE WEST SIDE.
9:23:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ADDITIONALLY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A PUBLIC
REQUEST THAT -- AND I KNOW YOU WORK WITH MR. BHIDE AND HIS
DEPARTMENT -- BUT TO TACKLE IT AGAIN TO HAVE MORE
CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE STORMWATER, WHILE WE HAVE THIS GOING
ON, WE MIGHT AS WELL.
BECAUSE ULTIMATELY IT'S GOING TO BE -- I MEAN, WE'LL HAVE TO
PAY FOR IT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
WHILE YOU'RE WORKING ON PULLING UP THE ROAD, NOW IS THE TIME
AND THE CITIZENS ARE DESPERATELY ASKING FOR IT.
THE FLOODING IN TAMPA HEIGHTS IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
9:23:52AM >> YES, MA'AM.
9:23:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT NOW, TO ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT THE WIDENING
THAT THE PUBLIC IS HEAVILY AGAINST.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE FUNDING FOR THE PD AND E.
WHERE WAS THAT?

I CANNOT FIND IN PAST BUDGETS WHERE WE HAVE APPROVED THE
FUNDING FOR THE PD AND E FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE INTERSTATE
FROM HILLSBOROUGH TO BEARSS.
9:24:17AM >> IT WAS IN 2021, I BELIEVE.
I CAN GET YOU THE EXACT YEAR.
I CAN EVEN SEND UP THE TIP THAT IT WAS INCLUDED IN.
IT WAS A PART OF A BIGGER -- IT WAS PART OF THE BIGGER
CONVERSATION.
YES, IT'S 2021 I BELIEVE.
BUT I CAN GET YOU THE EXACT YEAR AND TIP PAGES AND
EVERYTHING.
9:24:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OBVIOUSLY I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SAY
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT EVERY PERSON WHO REPRESENTS A PERSON
WHO IS A CITIZEN OF THE CITY OF TAMPA HIGHLY OPPOSES.
AGAIN, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT
BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER TO REALLY BRING THE COMMUNITY AND
FIND OUT WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO INSTEAD OF WIDENING
INTERSTATES.
9:25:05AM >> WE'LL CONTINUE TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITIES.
A LOT OF PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE DID AN EXTENSIVE PUBLIC COMMUNICATION, PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT
DURING THE PD AND E PHASE.
MANY OF YOU ATTENDED THOSE MEETINGS, PARTICIPATED IN THOSE
MEETINGS.
I KNOW A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY DID AS WELL.

FOR A WHILE THERE, WE WEREN'T REALLY DOING ANYTHING.
WE COMPLETED THE PD AND E.
KIND OF WAITING TO START DESIGN.
NOW THAT WE'RE STARTING DESIGN, YOU'LL SEE US START TO
REENGAGE LIKE WE DID TO THE SOUTH AND WE'LL DO THE SAME
HERE.
ONE FACT THAT I DON'T THINK GETS TALKED ABOUT OFTEN, AND I
HEAR A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT TRANSIT.
OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE A BIG INVESTOR IN TRANSIT.
WE'VE GOT MONEY SET ASIDE FOR THE STREETCAR EXTENSION.
WE'VE BEEN PAYING THE STREETCAR FARES.
WE'RE INVESTING IN TRANSIT ALL OVER THE PLACE.
ONE THING A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE, THE MODEL THAT
EVERYONE USES.
SO THE TPO USES IT FOR THE LONG-RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
WE USE IT FOR OUR DEVELOPMENT.
IT IS A FORWARD-LOOKING MODEL.
ABOUT 30, 40 YEARS INTO THE FUTURE.
AND THAT MODEL HAS THE WIDENING OF 275, BUT THIS IS THE PART
THAT DOESN'T GET TALKED ABOUT A LOT.
IT ALSO HAS THE CSX RAIL CONVERTED TO TRANSIT.
IT HAS HART SYSTEM BUILT OUT FAR BEYOND WHAT IT IS TODAY.
AND EVEN WITH ALL THAT, YOU STILL HAVE TO WIDEN 275.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT WHETHER YOU NEED TO
WIDEN 275, IS THERE AN ALTERNATE?

THE ANSWER IS YOU HAVE TO DO IT ALL.
LIKE, THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK NEEDS IT ALL.
IN FACT, THAT'S THE WAY THE MODEL IS BUILT.
THE MODEL IS BUILT WITH ALL OF IT IN THERE FOR IT TO SUCCEED
IN THE FUTURE.
I MEAN, I THINK WE CONTINUE TO BE AN ADVOCATE FOR TRANSIT.
I CONTINUE TO BE AN ADVOCATE FOR ROADS.
I CONTINUE TO BE AN ADVOCATE FOR TRAILS.
BIKEWAYS.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S PROOF BY MY WORK PROGRAM.
ANYWAY, JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT GETS
LOST IN THE CONVERSATION THAT IT GETS ISOLATED TO 275, BUT
IT IS PART OF A BIGGER PICTURE, AND IT ALL HAS TO BE THERE.
9:27:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
9:27:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT SHE SAID.
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:27:11AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR CLARITY AND
WHAT MODELING IS.
YOU'RE RIGHT, EVERYTHING IS WALKABILITY, RIDABILITY,
BICYCLABILITY, TRAIN.
EVERYTHING -- WE UNDERSTAND YOUR DIVISION.
THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.
LET ME ASK A QUESTION.
IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED IN '22, '23,
HASN'T BEEN BUILT, WHAT KIND OF INFLATIONARY RATE, IF IT WAS

A HUNDRED MILLION, WHAT IS IT TODAY?
9:27:36AM >> I WILL TELL YOU IT DEPENDS A LITTLE BIT BASED ON
MATERIAL.
I'M NOT TRYING TO BE -- BUT I WOULD SAY THAT WHAT WE'VE SEEN
OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS IS ABOUT A 30%.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE SEEN.
I BELIEVE FROM TALKING TO THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, THEY ARE
SEEING ABOUT THE SAME OVER THAT TIME FRAME.
I THINK THE COUNTY SAW ABOUT 40.
I THINK WE'RE HOVERING RIGHT AT 31%.
SO IF IT'S JUST ASPHALT, ABOUT 19% OF IT INVOLVES CONCRETE
AND STEEL IN THE 30s.
9:28:04AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC
UNDERSTANDS WE'RE NOT GIVING MONEY AWAY.
IT IS THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS.
9:28:09AM >> WE HAVE A RECORD WORK PROGRAM BUT THERE ARE RECORD COSTS.
9:28:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:28:15AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
BEEN FOLLOWING THIS PROJECT FOR A LONG TIME SINCE BEFORE I
GOT ON COUNCIL.
NOT YOU, BECAUSE I NEVER MET YOU, BUT D.O.T. HAS A
REPUTATION FOR BEING A BULLY ON THIS PROJECT.
HORDES OF PEOPLE, HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE HAVE COME OUT TO
MEETINGS TO PROTEST THIS PROJECT.
IT'S SEEN AS HAVING A COUPLE OF PROBLEMS.

ONE IS DESTROYING NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH THE INTERSTATES DID
IN THE BEGINNING.
BUT THE OTHER THING IS JUST EXACERBATING SPRAWL.
REALLY IT'S JUST A GATEWAY TO PASCO COUNTY, AND WE KNOW
SIERRA CLUB AND OTHERS SUED OVER THE SUNCOAST EXPRESSWAY
YEARS AGO.
IT WAS EASY WHEN THE VETERANS FIRST OPENED.
I LIVED OUT THERE, AND YOU COULD EASILY ZIP BACK AND FORTH.
NOW THERE'S HUGE DEVELOPMENTS ALL THE WAY UP.
WE'RE TRYING TO DO INFILL DEVELOPMENT AS FAST AS WE CAN.
AND THE PUBLIC DOESN'T SEE THAT AS BEING ACCEPTABLE.
YOU ALL REPORT TO THE STATE, NOT TO US.
YOU ALL CAN ULTIMATELY DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.
BUT THIS IS CAUSING GREAT CONCERN IN OUR COMMUNITY.
IT'S GOING TO CAUSE D.O.T. TO HAVE A VERY NEGATIVE
REPUTATION IN OUR COMMUNITY.
I HOPE THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU DON'T FIX OTHER ROADS BECAUSE
WE HAVE OTHER ROADS THAT NEED TO BE FIXED AS WELL.
I USED TO DO PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT, PUBLIC INPUT FOR A LIVING,
AND YOU CAN GO IN AND HOLD A CHARRETTE, CHECK BOXES AND SAY
WE'VE GOT ALL THIS.
BUT IT'S OBVIOUS, WE DON'T OFTEN AGREE, BUT IF WE ALL ARE
CONSISTENTLY HEARING THE DRUM BEAT FROM THE PUBLIC THAT IT'S
NOT A GOOD IDEA, NOT A GOOD IDEA, WE NEED TO WORK ON OTHER
TRANSPORTATION SOLUTIONS.

THANK YOU.
9:29:56AM >> I WILL SAY ONE THING.
WHEN WE STARTED THIS, RIGHT, SO BACK WHEN THE INITIAL
CONVERSATIONS WERE BEING HAD AROUND TBX, WE WERE TALKING
ABOUT BUYING I THINK 336 HOUSES AND TALKING ABOUT EXPRESS
LANES TO THE NORTH.
AND WHERE WE ARE AT NOW, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT BUYING ANY
PROPERTY.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WORKING WITHIN THE EXISTING PROPERTY
THAT WE HAVE.
THE KEY, TOO, ONE THING THAT WE HEAR A LOT IN CONVERSATIONS
WITH THE COMMUNITY IS ABOUT THE NOISE WALLS.
FOR ME TO GET THE CREDIT FOR THE NOISE WALLS, FOR ME TO GET
THE FEDS TO APPROVE THE NOISE WALLS, I HAVE TO JUSTIFY THAT.
THE WAY THAT WE JUSTIFY IT IS WITH THE CAPACITY PROJECT.
I UNDERSTAND.
I HEAR THE COMMUNITY.
I LISTEN TO THEM.
THERE IS A LOT OF MISINFORMATION BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT
THIS AT THE TPO MEETING.
A LOT OF PEOPLE SAYING WE WERE BUYING ALL THESE HISTORIC
HOUSES AND TEAR THEM DOWN.
WE'RE NOT BUYING ANYTHING.
I DON'T NEED TO BUY ANY PROPERTY, NOT YOU.
NOT ANY ELECTED OFFICIAL SAID THAT.

I'M SAYING THAT WAS THE CONVERSATION IN THE COMMUNITY.
I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF MISINFORMATION AROUND THE PROJECT,
AND I THINK THE PROJECT FACILITATES A LOT OF THINGS THAT
PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE.
BUT I DO UNDERSTAND.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WE WILL GO BACK OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND TALK WITH THEM.
9:31:07AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE LAST THING TO YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES.
WE REQUESTED THAT YOU COME, I FORGOT, MONTHLY OR QUARTERLY.
YOU AREN'T OBLIGATED IN ANY WAY TO PRESENT TO US.
I APPRECIATE YOU COMING HERE AND BEING ON THE FIRE LINE,
PRESENTING NEWS POSITIVE AND TAKING HITS FROM THE
COMMUNITIES.
APPRECIATE YOU ALL COMING HERE AND ENGAGING US.
THANK YOU.
9:31:28AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
9:31:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WHEN I SAID I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK
SAID, I DO.
I'VE BEEN ON THE TPO WHEN IT WAS MPO NOW GOING ON TEN YEARS.
LITERALLY MY FIRST MEETING WAS THE TIP MEETING OF THE
ORIGINAL TBX WHERE WE HAD HOURS OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE YEAR AFTER WAS EVEN WORSE.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR FROM THE
COMMUNITY.

I'VE ALWAYS BEEN AGAINST IT.
ANY KIND OF WIDENING, ANY KIND OF ACQUISITION OF PROPERTY
BECAUSE I'LL TAKE IT BACK HISTORICALLY.
THE INTERSTATE HAS DESTROYED.
THEY CALL IT URBAN RENEWAL.
IT'S URBAN REMOVAL.
THESE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE HALF A CENTURY ARE NOW COMING BACK.
THEY ARE WARY.
THEY ARE CAREFULLY WATCHING THESE PROJECTS BECAUSE TAMPA
HEIGHTS, WEST TAMPA, YBOR CITY, GOING NORTH NOW TALKING
ABOUT HILLSBOROUGH TO BEARSS, HOW YOU PRONOUNCE IT, IT'S OF
CONCERN BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN THE LONG-TERM DAMAGE.
I'M ON THAT TPO.
WE HAVE THOSE MEETINGS.
WE HAVE TWO MEETINGS COMING UP IN SEPTEMBER, I BELIEVE.
BUT, AGAIN, THANK YOU.
COUNCIL MEMBER MENTIONED -- COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK MENTIONED
SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT ABOUT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT GOING OUT
THERE AND LISTENING.
THESE FOLKS ARE DIRECTLY IMPACTED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
9:32:44AM >> ABSOLUTELY.
I'LL TELL YOU, I WOULD LOVE TO COME BACK AND HAVE OUR STAFF
PRESENT ON ON BOARD TAMPA BAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW ABOUT ON BOARD TAMPA BAY, BUT

THAT'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT BY THE D.O.T. AND
WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT.
IN PARTNERING WITH SOME OF THE LOCAL CHARITIES TO PROVIDE
THE SUPPORT SERVICES.
THERE ARE A LOT OF REALLY GOOD STORIES OUT OF THAT.
I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR YOU ALL TO KNOW, WORKING IN THE
COMMUNITIES, WORKING IN EAST TAMPA.
AND WE'VE PLACED SEVERAL HUNDRED PEOPLE IN JOBS, ON JOB
SITES WITH JUST PLAIN MATCHMAKER REALLY.
I'D LOVE TO HAVE OUR STAFF COME PRESENT ON THAT, IF THAT'S
SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD BE AMICABLE TO.
I THINK IT IS A REALLY COOL STORY.
9:33:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK THAT IS A GREAT IDEA.
WE DO HAVE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIVISION.
I BELIEVE CHIEF BENNETT CAN PROBABLY GET YOU CONNECTED.
IF NOT, I CAN HELP.
ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
9:33:37AM >> THANK YOU.
9:33:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING AND
PRESENTING.
WE APPRECIATE IT.
9:33:40AM >> THANK YOU.
ABSOLUTELY.
HAVE A GOOD ONE.
9:33:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU TOO.

WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE HAVE NO REGISTERED PUBLIC SPEAKERS.
SO EVERYBODY THAT'S SPEAKING, I'LL CALL YOU ONE BY ONE ARE
HERE.
WE'LL HAVE A HARD STOP AT 12:00 TODAY.
WE HAVE A VERY LONG AFTERNOON ANTICIPATED.
SO THE FIRST PUBLIC SPEAKER THAT I HAVE IS MR. RICK
FERNANDEZ FOLLOWED BY MS. LENA YOUNG GREEN.
MR. FERNANDEZ.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:34:06AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS RICK FERNANDEZ.
I AM RE-SETTING MY TIMER.
I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA HEIGHTS CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
I APPRECIATE YOUR ALWAYS TIME AND THANK YOU FOR THE COURTESY
OF LISTENING TO ME THIS MORNING.
I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK YOU TO CONSIDER PASSAGE OF A
RESOLUTION OPPOSING FURTHER EXPANSION OF I-275 NORTH OF
HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE TO BEARSS.
I'M THANKFUL THAT THIS TOPIC HAS ALREADY BEEN TEED UP.
THIS IS, OF COURSE, THE LATEST INSTALLMENT OF THE TBX SAGA
THAT MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING ALONG WITH ME SINCE AT
LEAST 2015.
IN 2021, THE TPO BOARD AMENDED THE TIP, THE TRANSPORTATION
IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, REMOVING CAPACITY INCREASES OR

EXPANSIONS FROM THIS SEGMENT OF I-75.
AGAIN, FROM HILLSBOROUGH TO BEARSS.
THIS ACTION WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE CLEAR WISHES OF THE
IMPACTED COMMUNITIES, MOST NOTABLY SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, TAMPA
HEIGHTS, YBOR, AND POINTS NORTH.
THIS REMAINED THE STATUS QUO UNTIL JUNE OF THIS YEAR.
2024.
DURING THE JUNE 2024 TIP PUBLIC HEARING, COMMISSIONER WOSTAL
MOVED TO PUT THE DESCRIPTION, QUOTE, CAPACITY PROJECT BACK
INTO THE TIP PROJECT DESCRIPTION FOR I-275 NORTH OF
HILLSBOROUGH THUS REOPENING THE DOOR FOR POSSIBLE EXPANSION.
THIS WAS DONE WITHOUT NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC AND, IN MY
OPINION, IN VIOLATION OF DUE PROCESS.
THE MOTION PASSED BY A VOTE OF 8-7.
THE 7 NO VOTES CAME FROM THREE MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL,
HURTAK, CLENDENIN, MANISCALCO.
THREE MEMBERS OF THE BOCC, COHEN, KEMP, AND MYERS, AND ONE
AGENCY REPRESENTATIVE FROM HART.
THE PREVAILING SIDE, THE SIDE IN FAVOR OF THE WIDENING,
INCLUDED COMMISSIONER WOSTAL, THE ORIGINAL MOVEMENT, THEA,
THE PORT, THE AIRPORT, THE SCHOOL BOARD, PLANT CITY, TEMPLE
TERRACE, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THIS BURDEN ON OUR CITIZENS IS BEING IMPOSED UPON US BY
UNELECTED, UNACCOUNTABLE AGENCY REPRESENTATIVES, IN LARGE
PART, AND MAYORS OF TWO NEIGHBORING MUNICIPALITIES.

THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE IS REFLECTED BY OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS
WAS TOTALLY IGNORED.
THE RESOLUTION THAT I'M REQUESTING TODAY IS CONSISTENT WITH
PRECEDENT SET BY THIS BODY.
YOU HAVE PREVIOUSLY TAKEN POSITIONS IN OPPOSITION TO TBX
WRIT LARGE.
YOU'VE TAKEN POSITIONS IN OPPOSITION TO TOLL ROADS THROUGH
THE CITY.
I THINK THAT MOTION WAS ACTUALLY MADE BY COUNCIL DINGFELDER
BACK IN THE DAY.
WHAT I'M ASKING YOU TO DO IS SEND A MESSAGE BACK TO THE TPO
BOARD AND IN PARTICULAR TO OUR MUNICIPAL SISTER COMMUNITIES
THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA IS TRULY OPPOSED TO THIS.
APPARENTLY THEY ARE NOT GOING TO LISTEN TO THE THREE OF YOU
ON THE TPO BOARD, MAYBE THEY WILL LISTEN TO THE ENTIRE
COUNCIL.
I THANK YOU.
9:37:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MS. LENA YOUNG GREEN, YOU ARE NEXT.
FOLLOWED BY MS. CONNIE BURTON.
9:37:27AM >> GOOD MORNING.
THANK YOU FOR ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO COME TO SPEAK BEFORE
YOU ALL.
IT'S ALWAYS A PRIVILEGE FOR US AS CITIZENS TO BE ABLE TO
TALK TO ELECTED OFFICIALS BY COMING BEFORE YOU AND
PARTICIPATING IN PUBLIC HEARING.

TODAY, I'M ASKING ABOUT THE TREES.
IN ADDITION TO THE EXPANSION OF THE INTERSTATE AS WE HEARD
EARLIER, IT ALSO INCLUDES REMOVING TREES.
D.O.T. REMOVED A BUNCH OF TREES ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE
INTERSTATE FOR FURTHER EXPANSION, PARTICULARLY IN TAMPA
HEIGHTS.
AT ROBLES PARK, WE ASKED THAT THEY PUT TREES RATHER THAN PUT
WALLS.
NOW, WE KNOW THAT TREES CLEANS THE AIR, CLEANS THE SOIL, AND
CLEANS THE WATER, AND IT ALSO AFFECTS THE SOUND.
SO THE FACT THAT D.O.T. INSISTED THAT A WALL MUST GO THERE,
HAVING TREES NEXT TO THE PARK WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH MORE
BENEFICIAL OVERALL.
WE IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE TO BREATHE THOSE AIR.
OUR RESIDENTS FISH IN THOSE PONDS.
WE HAVE THE -- WHERE THE RUNOFF WATER GOES FROM THE
INTERSTATE AND IT AFFECTS OUR COMMUNITY.
I DO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE CITY OF TAMPA BECAUSE YOU
STEPPED UP AND IN THIS DISCUSSION, MR. BRAD SUDER CAME AND
MET WITH US AT THE PARK AND HE HAS SINCE SENT US A PLAN TO
PUT 331 TREES INSIDE THE PARK, WHICH IS THE PLACE THAT THE
CITY OF TAMPA HAS CONTROL OVER.
AND THAT WILL IMPROVE ALL OF THE THINGS THAT I REFERRED TO
ALONG THAT WAY.
SO I WANTED TO THANK YOU ALL AND LET YOU KNOW HOW MUCH WE

THE CITIZENS APPRECIATE IT.
AND PLEASE DO ALL YOU CAN TO AVOID D.O.T. CONTINUING TO
EXPAND MORE CAPACITY AND MORE SPACE ON THE INTERSTATE.
THANK YOU.
9:39:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT UP, MS. CONNIE BURTON FOLLOWED BY MS. STEPHANIE POYNOR.
9:39:23AM >> GOOD MORNING.
CONNIE BURTON.
ITEM NUMBER 95 IS WHAT I REALLY WANT TO SPEAK TO.
DURING THE MAYOR'S FIRST TERM AND UNDER THE LEADERSHIP,
DIRECTOR VANESSA McCLEARY, TWO OF THE INFILL LOTS HAD BEEN
PROMISED AS DEMONSTRATION MODELS GIVEN TO ROBIN DONALDSON
AND TO MYSELF, CONNIE BURTON, BUT WE HAVE YET TO BE ABLE TO
LIVE TO THAT FULFILLMENT IN THE MAYOR'S TRANSITIONING TAMPA
FOR TOMORROW AND ALL OF THAT.
SO BEFORE YOU MOVE TOWARD HOW YOU'RE GOING TO DO THOSE
INFILL LOTS, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO INVESTIGATE AS TO WHY
WE WAS NOT ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT FIRST PROMISE.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY USUALLY PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION TO
THE DNC CONVENTION, BUT WHAT WAS THE HIGHLIGHT FOR ME IS
THAT A CATALYST OF AFRICAN PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE
UNITED STATES HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE RINGING SOUNDS OF MAKING
FREEDOM COME TO THE REALITY OF EVEN FORMER ENSLAVED PEOPLE.
SO STATE BY STATE, THEY HAD TO MENTION THE CONTRIBUTION OF
AFRICAN PEOPLE, WHETHER A YOUNG FREDERICK DOUGLASS AT 34

YEARS OLD COURAGEOUS TO GO AND SAY WHAT IS YOUR 4th OF
JULY TO US.
IF IT WAS SISTER SHIRLEY CHISHOLM WITH HER MODEL OF BEING --
STANDING AS THE FIRST CONGRESSIONAL BLACK WOMAN.
NOW WE ARE SEEING HISTORY MOVE FORWARD AGAIN.
WHAT WE CALL ON IN THIS CITY GOVERNMENT AS THE NATIONAL DNC
AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY MOVE TO CONSOLIDATE A STRONG BASE,
WE SAY TO WHAT IS THIS DEMOCRATIC COUNCIL DOING TO DEAL WITH
THE ONGOING ISSUES THAT AFRICAN PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY
CONTINUE TO DEAL WITH.
YOU CAN'T IGNORE IT.
WE ARE NOT FLOURISHING IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WE DO NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES, THE INVESTMENT HAS NOT BEEN
THERE.
WHEN I TALK ABOUT HOMES COMING INTO OUR COMMUNITY AT
$745,000, NOW, THE CITY IS NOT BUILDING THEM, BUT THE CITY
SET THE TONE.
THE CITY SET THE TONE THAT NOW WE ARE SEEING FOLKS THAT WAS
ONCE IN BLIGHTED COMMUNITIES, BEING FORCED OUT OF THOSE
COMMUNITIES TO END UP WHERE?
IT CONTINUES LIKE A SNOWBALL TO HELL.
SO WE ARE CALLING ON YOU TO HONOR RESOLUTION 568.
WE CALL ON YOU TO LOOK AT ITEM NUMBER 24, THE ONGOING
PROMISES TO THE NAACP.
IN 2023, IT WAS DECLARED THAT IT WOULD GET $100,000.

IT AIN'T GOT THERE YET.
IN 2024, NOW IT'S BACK ON THE AGENDA TODAY.
WE DO NOT WANT IT TO BE A MERE TALKING POINT BECAUSE WE
BELIEVE THAT IF THE ORGANIZATION IS ABLE TO HAVE REAL
RESOURCES, WHICH HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IS NOTHING TO A
CITY THAT HAS A $2 BILLION BUDGET.
9:42:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MS. STEPHANIE POYNOR FOLLOWED BY PASTOR FRANK WILLIAMS.
GOOD MORNING.
9:42:39AM >> GOOD MORNING.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
YOU KNOW, CONNIE BROUGHT UP A VERY IMPORTANT POINT.
WE HAVE THINGS THAT WERE IN THE BUDGET LAST YEAR THAT
HAVEN'T BEEN SPENT.
WHERE DID IT GO?
WHERE DID THE MONEY GO?
OH, HMM.
I DON'T KNOW.
I'M ON THE BUDGET COMMITTEE BUT YET WE TALK ABOUT STUFF LIKE
THE NAACP.
BUT LET ME GO BACK TO WHAT I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT TO
START WITH.
I HAVE TWO TEENAGERS AT HOME.
I GIVE THEM THEIR MONEY.
THEY HAVE A BUDGET.

THIS IS YOUR MONEY FOR THE SCHOOL CLOTHES, RIGHT?
THEY GO.
THEY SPEND EVERY PENNY THEY HAVE ON THEIR SCHOOL CLOTHES AT
THE MALL.
THEN THEY COME BACK TO MOM AND GO, BUT MOM, I NEED SHOES.
THERE ARE HOLES IN MY CHUCKS.
WHOSE PROBLEM IS THAT?
IT BECOMES MY PROBLEM BECAUSE MY CHILDREN DIDN'T A REALLY
PISS POOR JOB OF BUDGETING, RIGHT?
I FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHY I'M STANDING HERE TODAY ABOUT THIS
$40 MILLION THAT WE NEED FOR A FORENSICS LAB BECAUSE WE HAVE
ALREADY WENT TO THE MALL AND SPENT ALL THE MONEY ON OUR
WANTS INSTEAD OF SAVING THE MONEY FOR OUR NEEDS.
I JUST FIND IT VERY, VERY SUSPECT THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS
COMES UP NOW TWO, THREE WEEKS A MONTH AFTER THE RIVERWALK
WHERE YOU WANTED $26 MILLION THEN.
I'M SORRY, BUT HOW MANY MORTGAGES ARE WE GOING TO GET.
THIS IS A MORTGAGE.
THEY WANT TO MORTGAGE THIS.
LET'S GET REALISTIC.
SPEAKING OF BUDGETING, THE F.D.O.T. GUY, HE GETS UP THERE
AND HE'S LIKE, OH, WELL, WE HAVE A PLAN FOR MASS TRANSIT.
WE WANT TO FINISH THE STREETCAR.
THOSE ARE THE CHEAP WAYS TO DO THINGS.
BUILDING MORE LANES ON THE INTERSTATE IS THE EXPENSIVE WAY.

WHEN MY TENANTS CALL ME, AND THEY SAY MY AIR-CONDITIONER IS
OUT, THE FIRST THING I TELL THEM IS CHECK THE BREAKERS.
CHECK THE PIPES.
IS THE BUTTON POPPED UP?
BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THEY ARE REALLY, REALLY SIMPLE FIXES
UP FRONT THAT COST US NOTHING.
BUT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, WE IMMEDIATELY PICK UP AND CALL
THE AIR-CONDITIONING FOLKS AND READY TO SPEND $300 TO HAVE
THEM COME FIX SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS FLIPPING A BREAKER.
WE DON'T USE COMMON SENSE AROUND HERE.
LIKE I SAID, I WANT TO KNOW WHERE CONNIE'S MONEY WENT
BECAUSE THAT KEEPS HAPPENING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
FINANCED $330 MILLION WORTH OF DEBT.
I MEAN, THIS IS JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
HANNA STREET.
GIANT EMPTY CAVE.
GIANT EMPTY CAVE!
PUT SOME TPD FOLKS IN THERE FOR A WHILE.
USE WHAT YOU GOT OVER HERE FOR BIG BLUE FOR THE FORENSICS
LAB.
INSTEAD OF GOING AND PISSING AWAY MORE MONEY.
WE ARE SPENDING OUR CHILDREN'S FUTURE.
IT'S MY JOB AS A PARENT TO TEACH MY CHILDREN HOW TO BUDGET
AND HOW TO SPEND MONEY.
IT'S YOUR JOB TO REMIND FOLKS COMING UP WITH DOUBLE HANDS

OUT WANTING MONEY FOR NEW SHOES BUT THEY SPENT ALL THEIR
MONEY AT THE MALL, MAYBE IT'S TIME TO TAKE SOMETHING BACK.
MAYBE IT'S TIME TO GO BACK TO MACY'S AND RETURN THE CLOTHING
YOU BOUGHT SO YOU COULD HAVE A PAIR OF SHOES.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T.
TELL THEM TO GIVE IT BACK.
9:45:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PASTOR WILLIAMS FOLLOWED BY DARYL HYCH.
9:45:56AM >> MY NAME IS PASTOR FRANK WILLIAMS.
LOCATED AT 1112 EAST SCOTT STREET, PARADISE MISSIONARY
BAPTIST CHURCH.
YOU KNOW, I CAN HARDLY COME DOWN HERE NOW, BUT I THANK GOD
FOR BLESSING ME TO SEE ANOTHER DAY.
GLORIFY THE HOLY FATHER BECAUSE THAT'S WHO I BELIEVE IN.
YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO GET A COMMITTEE THAT WOULD GO TO
WASHINGTON, D.C. WITH ME, AND WE NEED TO GO THERE, WHAT YOU
ALL CALL IT, BANK, NOT THE BANK, I'M FORGETFUL NOW.
SUPREME COURT.
YEAH.
NOTHING ABOUT THEM SUPREME.
WHO IS SUPREME IS JESUS CHRIST, AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT YOU
ALL TO KNOW.
I WANT TO GIVE YOU ALL A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY, WHAT YOU ALL
CALL BLACK HISTORY.
I HAD A MUSEUM AT THE CHURCH.
THE CITY MADE ME MOVE IT OUT OF THERE BECAUSE I HAD SO MUCH

GOING ON THERE.
I HAD SHACKLES AND EVERYTHING.
SLAVE SHACKLES AND ALL THAT STUFF.
THE CITY MADE ME MOVE IT OUT.
ONE GUY COME DOWN THERE NAMED WILLIAM SOMETHING.
I DON'T KNOW AND DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT THE NAME IS.
HE WANTED TO TAKE OVER THE CHURCH.
SO I THOUGHT HE WAS DOING A GOOD DEED.
YOU'RE GOING TO STAY THERE THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG MY LIFE IS, BUT THAT'S WHAT HE TOLD
ME.
PEOPLE GIVE YOU A VERBAL COMMENT AND ABIDE BY WHEN THEY HAVE
TO GO TO COURT AND TELL A WHOLE BUNCH OF LIES.
AND THAT'S WHERE I'M STANDING NOW.
I DON'T EVEN GO TO MY CHURCH LIKE I USED TO BECAUSE MY LIFE
BEEN THREATENED.
TOLD ME HE CATCH ME WALKING AROUND THE CHURCH.
HE GOING TO TAKE MY HEAD OFF MY SHOULDER.
ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF.
I TOLD YOU THAT ABOUT A YEAR AGO, YOU ALL THAT WAS HERE.
YOU KNOW WHAT?
I KNOW MY TIME AIN'T -- AIN'T WORRIED ABOUT HOW LONG I'LL BE
HERE.
I DO WANT TO GET A COMMITTEE AND GO TO WASHINGTON, D.C., GO
TO THE SUPREME COURT AND TELL THEM ABOUT THEMSELVES.

DON'T WANT PRAYING IN SCHOOL.
DON'T WANT LITTLE CHILDREN SAYING GRACE IN SCHOOL.
WHAT KIND OF COMMITTEE IS THAT?
THAT'S RIDICULOUS.
THAT'S SICKENING TOO.
WHITE KIDS GOING TO SCHOOL IN TEXAS SHOOTING UP ALL THE
LITTLE KIDS AND THE TEACHER.
DID THE SAME THING IN CONNECTICUT, SHOOT UP ALL THE KIDS AND
TEACHERS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT US TO PRAY IN SCHOOL.
THAT'S ALL WE HAD TO DO.
PRAY IN THE NAME OF JESUS.
I GUARANTEE HE'LL GIVE US ALL THE VICTORY.
I THANK GOD -- YOU ALL NEED TO GIVE US MORE TIME.
9:49:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
9:49:11AM >> I AIN'T GOT HALF OF WHAT I WANT TO SAY.
9:49:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DARYL HYCH AND ANDRE HILL.
9:49:17AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
DARYL HYCH.
BEN FRANKLIN SAID THAT DEMOCRACY IS TWO WOLVES AND A SHEEP.
VOTING ON WHAT TO HAVE FOR DINNER.
AND LIBERTY IS A WELL-ARMED SHEATH PROTESTING THE VOTE.
SEPTEMBER 3rd, 2020, YOU GAVE US EVERYTHING WE NEEDED TO
PROTECT -- TO PROTEST THE VOTE.
YOU GAVE US EVERYTHING WE NEEDED SO THAT THE DEMOCRACY THAT
WAS PUT IN PLACE IN TERMS OF HOW YOU AGREED AND YOU

APOLOGIZED ON RESOLUTION 568 ON HOW THE WRONGS AND VARIABLES
HAD BEEN DONE AGAINST BLACK PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
AS THE WOLVES OF DEMOCRACY, YOU UNDERSTOOD WHEN YOU MADE
THIS VOTE THAT YOU CLEARLY IDENTIFIED THE WRONGS THAT HAD
HAPPENED AGAINST BLACK PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
YOU FULLY UNDERSTOOD THAT.
SOMEWHERE IN THE ANNALS OF HISTORY AND BASED ON
ADMINISTRATION CHANGES AND VARIABLES LIKE THAT, YOU HAPPENED
TO SLIDE THIS UP UNDER THE DESK AND NEVER BROUGHT IT BACK UP
AGAIN.
DECEMBER 8 I SHOWED UP ON YOUR SHORES RIGHT HERE TO DISCUSS
THIS RESOLUTION.
SINCE DECEMBER 8, ALL THE WAY UP TO DATE, WE'VE BEEN COMING
DOWN HERE CONSISTENTLY TALKING ABOUT RESOLUTION NUMBER 568.
THE ONLY THING WE'RE ASKING IS THE VARIOUS THINGS THAT YOU
DOCUMENTED.
FORMER FIRST LADY MICHELLE OBAMA STATED THIS WEEK DURING THE
DNC, DO SOMETHING.
SHE SAID DO SOMETHING.
DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU STATED THAT
PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS TO ENCOURAGE AND FACILITATE
INVESTMENTS IN LOW-INCOME AREAS TO REDUCE INEQUALITY, INCOME
AND WEALTH, DO SOMETHING BECAUSE YOU KNEW THIS WAS AN ISSUE.
DO SOMETHING ABOUT REFORMS TO POLICING THE REDUCED RACIAL
DISPARITIES AND PROVIDE FOR THE SAFETY AND VITALITY OF

COMMUNITIES OF COLOR.
DO SOMETHING.
WE'RE JUST ASKING YOU TO DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD REDUCE
POLICIES THAT ELIMINATE DISPROPORTIONATE MASS INCARCERATION
OF PEOPLE OF COLOR AND PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR MEANINGFUL
REHABILITATION AND REENTER INTO THE COMMUNITY.
DO SOMETHING.
THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO IS TO DO SOMETHING.
DON'T SHOW UP WITH BLANK CHECKS AND DON'T SHOW UP WITH
CONTINUOUSLY MOVING THE GOAL LINE FURTHER AND FURTHER AWAY,
BECAUSE WE'RE ON THE SHORES OF A FOUR-YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF
RESOLUTION NUMBER 568.
AND ALL WE KEEP COMING DOWN HERE SAYING, AS THE FORMER FIRST
LADY SAID, DO SOMETHING, GUYS.
JUST DO SOMETHING.
THANK YOU.
9:52:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. ANDRE HILL FOLLOWED BY MR. MENTESNOT.
9:52:28AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS ANDRE HILL.
I AM WORKING ON A COMMUNITY GARDEN THROUGH THE CRA PLAN.
46 YEARS AGO I LEFT TAMPA BECAUSE AS A YOUNG BLACK MAN, THE
RACISM THAT EXISTS HERE IS VERY PREVALENT AND I DIDN'T SEE
ANY OPPORTUNITIES, ESPECIALLY AFTER MY MOTHER AT 51 DIED AND
78 MY FATHER, 56 DIED IN 1980.

I MOVED AWAY TO TRY TO FIND OTHER OPPORTUNITIES.
AFTER 46 YEARS, I RETURNED HERE 11 YEARS AGO.
AND THAT RACISM IS STILL HERE.
NOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'VE ADOPTED A RESOLUTION
ACKNOWLEDGING THE RACISM.
BUT AS THE YOUNG MAN JUST SAID, YOU'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING
ABOUT IT.
WITH THIS COMMUNITY GARDEN SITUATION, WHOEVER CRAFTED THE
WORDING FOR THE REIMBURSABLE GRANT, KNEW WHAT THEY WERE
DOING.
THEY KNEW THAT IT WOULD BE A PROBLEM FOR NONPROFIT
ORGANIZATIONS THAT WANT TO DO SOMETHING AND CONTRIBUTE TO
THE COMMUNITY.
THEY KNEW THAT.
AND EVERY BANK, EVERY FINANCIAL INSTITUTION THAT WE WENT TO
TO GET A LINE OF CREDIT ESTABLISHED NOW WE CAN'T DO THAT.
ONE PARTICULAR BANK, WE TOOK IN A GUARANTOR WITH 800 CREDIT
SCORE AND ASSETS AND LIQUID, AND THEY TOLD THE GUARANTOR,
FIFTH-THIRD BANK, TELL YOU WHO IT WAS.
YOU HAVE TO GO TAKE OUT A PERSONAL LOAN.
I'VE DONE LOANS FOR NONPROFITS IN OTHER STATES.
THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO.
THIS IS WHAT KIND OF PROBLEMS.
THIS SORT OF STRESS, THE SAME STRESS THAT KILLED MY MOTHER
AND FATHER, LANDED ME IN THE HOSPITAL BACK IN OCTOBER WITH

DOUBLE BYPASS SURGERY.
THE STRESS OF PREDATORY NEIGHBORS THAT WANTS TO BUY THIS
PROPERTY FROM THE LADY THAT'S RENTING US THE PROPERTY TO
DEVELOP THIS COMMUNITY.
SHE'S HAVING HEALTH PROBLEMS NOW FROM THE STRESS OF HER
BEING ABLE TO CAUSE, SOMEWHERE HERE IN THE CITY GOVERNMENT
AND HARASS HER AND US ABOUT THIS PROPERTY.
SO IT'S BEEN AN ONGOING THING THAT NOW THE CITY RECOGNIZES
THAT, OH, MAYBE THIS ALONE IS A PROBLEM.
THEY ESTABLISHED A NEW POLICY TO HELP PEOPLE GET THE MONEY
THAT THEY NEED, BUT NOW AT MY EXPENSE.
THE LADY THAT'S RENTING US THE PROPERTY, EXPENSE.
ALMOST IN THE HOSPITAL AND ONE LEG IN THE GRAVE BECAUSE OF
THE STRESS.
AND THE INFLUENCE THAT THESE OUTSIDE DEVELOPERS HAVE.
ONE PARTICULAR DEVELOPER THAT'S BUYING UP ALL YBOR CITY THAT
IS A DESCENDANT OF SOUTH AFRICA WHO PUT A BLACK MAN OUT OF
HIS BUILDING, HE HIRED MY ARCHITECT TO CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS.
SO THE YOUNG MAN, DAVE AT COVE HE OPTED TO SAY WE'LL HELP
YOU GET THROUGH THE PROGRAM.
ANDREA WESTOVER NEEDS TO BE TALKED TO.
I'M ASKING CITY COUNCIL TO TALK TO CEDRIC McCRAY AND DEE
REEVES ABOUT THIS ISSUE BEFORE I LAND IN THE HOSPITAL AGAIN.
9:55:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, SIR.
OUR LAST SPEAKER IS MR. MENTESNOT.

GOOD MORNING, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:56:02AM >> MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
JAMES BROWN SAID BLACK AND PROUD.
MENTESNOT SAY BLACK AND STUPID.
BLACK AND STUPID.
AFRICAN PEOPLE HAVE TO BE STUPID.
800 YEARS OF STUPIDITY, IF WE HAVE BLACK-ELECTED OFFICIALS,
BLACKER THAN ME, NEVER HEARD OF C.L. PATTERSON, ERIC
WILLIAMS, THOMAS SANKARA, HUEY P. NEWTON, MAURICE BISHOP.
KWAME NKRUMAH.
QUEEN MOTHER MOORE.
OMALI YESHITELA.
FRED HAMPTON, NEVER TALK ABOUT REPARATIONS.
NEVER HEARD OF KWAME TURE.
NEVER HEARD OF HENRY SYLVESTER WILLIAMS.
BUT WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ALLEGEDLY REPRESENTING US THAT NEVER
HEARD THE WORD COLONIALISM.
DON'T KNOW HOW THE RULING CLASS AFFECT OR NEAR COLONIALISM
OR CAPITALISM AFFECT AFRICAN PEOPLE INTERNATIONALLY, AFFECT
AFRICA, AUSTRALIA, NEW ZEALAND, ALASKA, AND OTHER PLACES
WHERE WHITE PEOPLE HAVE INVADED.
WHITE PEOPLE 11% OF THE POPULATION.
11% OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION CONTROLS 100% OF THE WORLD'S
MILITARY.

CONTROLS 100% OF THE WORLD ECONOMY.
IF THEY DON'T LIKE YOUR GAME PLAN, THEY PUT YOU OUT OF THE
GAME.
THEY DOING IT ALL OVER.
THE SAME WAY THEY PUT BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS OUT OF BLACK
NEIGHBORHOODS.
WHEN THEY READY FOR IT, THEY COME IN, GENTRIFY IT AND DO
WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO WITH IT.
THEY LEAVE US IN PLACES, NO BUS ROUTE OR ANYTHING OF THAT
NATURE.
BUT AFRICAN PEOPLE HAVE TO STAND UP TO THAT.
WE HAVE TO RESIST THAT KIND OF TYRANNY.
THE TYRANNY THAT YOU SEE GOING ON RIGHT NOW IN PALESTINE, WE
SEE PEOPLE RESISTING THAT.
THEY ARE RESISTING IT.
COMMON PEOPLE RESISTING IT.
IT IS THE SAME KIND OF TYRANNY THE CITY HAVE HAD US UNDER.
I HEAR PEOPLE RIGHT NOW TODAY IN 2024 BEGGING FOR HOUSING IN
THE CITY OF TAMPA.
AND I KNEW BACK 50 YEARS AGO WHEN PEOPLE WERE BEGGING FOR
HOUSING IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, WHEN THEY HAD ALL KIND OF
SCHEMES AND ALL KIND OF PROMISES AND NOTHING COMING THROUGH.
THIS CITY, THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, THEY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING
BETTER.
MUST.

DUTY AND RESPONSIBILITY.
NO IFS, ANDS, OR BUTS.
IT IS THEIR DUTY AND RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
AND WE'RE SEEING SOME OF THAT COMING THROUGH ON AN
INTERNATIONAL LEVEL AT THE DNC RIGHT NOW BECAUSE A LOT OF
AFRICAN PEOPLE GETTING UP THERE AND SPEAKING THAT AIN'T
NEVER SCARED.
9:59:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
ALL RIGHT.
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
DID YOU SIGN A CARD?
9:59:18AM >> NO.
9:59:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU DID NOT.
9:59:22AM >> I JUST SIGNED ON THE REGISTRATION.
9:59:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOTION TO ALLOW --
9:59:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MS. LOCKETT, DID YOU SIGN UP FOR PUBLIC
COMMENT.
9:59:31AM >> NO.
9:59:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MS. BULLOCK, COME UP.
9:59:34AM >> VALERIE BULLOCK.
I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT NUMBER 24, THE RESOLUTION FOR THE
NAACP.
THE NAACP HAS BEEN A HUB OF THE COMMUNITY, NOT ONLY FOR
BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE, BUT FOR ALL PEOPLE.
IT UNITES DIFFERENT CULTURES AND NATIONALITY.

AND FOR THE LAST YEARS THAT I'VE KNOWN OF, NAACP HAS BEEN
ONLY GIVEN $10,000.
NOW, IT WAS A RESOLUTION THAT WAS PASSED THAT THEY ARE
SUPPOSED TO GET $100,000.
THAT MONEY HASN'T BEEN RELEASED TO THE NAACP.
HOW DO THAT AFFECT ME AND PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY?
THE NAACP, THEY HAVE EMPOWERMENT WORKSHOPS.
THEY HAVE ALL KIND OF ENTREPRENEUR TRAINING AND INCENTIVES,
AND THEY HELP YOU GET YOUR LICENSES AND GET YOUR BUSINESSES
ESTABLISHED.
HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS BEING WITHHELD, THAT'S BIG LEADERS
IN MY COMMUNITY LIKE ME NOT BEING ABLE TO GET OUR BUSINESS
UP AND GOING, NOT GETTING THE SUPPORT THAT WE NEED.
I GO DOWN 22nd STREET AND SEE THE STORES, THOSE BUSINESS
LEADERS, MOST OF THEM ARE FROM MIDDLE EAST.
THEY HAVE STORES.
THEY ARE ABLE TO GET THEIR BUSINESS GOING.
I WOULD LIKE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY AND PEOPLE IN MY
NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD LIKE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY.
WE HAVE ALL HAVE BIG IDEAS AND BIG DREAMS AND THE NAACP SAY,
YES, WE'RE GOING TO PARTNER WITH YOU.
YES, WE'RE GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH THIS AND SHOW YOU HOW
TO DO THIS BUT WITHOUT FUNDING IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE
BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT YOU NEED TO GET MONEY TO GET MONEY AND
MONEY MAKES THE WORLD GO AROUND.

PLEASE, IN THE SPIRIT OF -- I DON'T KNOW -- JUST RELEASE THE
MONEY BECAUSE TOO MANY TIMES WHEN WE CAME DOWN HERE AND WE
HEARD THIS AND IT JUST WORDS.
IT'S LIKE THINGS ARE BEING SAID AND DONE SYMBOLICALLY.
BUT WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF DOING WHAT WE SAID WE WERE GOING
TO DO.
THAT RIGHT THERE IS WHAT MESSES UP THE TRUST.
IT JUST BREACHES US, THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY OF TAMPA
FROM THE CITIZENS.
IF YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT, LET'S DO IT AND LET'S DO
IT AS QUICK AND POSSIBLE.
THANK YOU.
10:01:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE HAD A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
SECOND FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT?
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON?
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE'LL GO TO COMMITTEE REPORTS.
AS WAS STATED FOR ITEM 3, WE'LL MOVE THAT TO STAFF REPORTS.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, MOVE 4 THROUGH 18.
10:02:09AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOVE 4 THROUGH 18.
10:02:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND -- YES,

SIR.
10:02:15AM >>BILL CARLSON:
[INAUDIBLE] HAS TO DO WITH THE SCHOOL
DISTRICT MY FIRM WORKS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
I'LL RECUSE MYSELF.
10:02:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LET'S DO --
10:02:27AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I PLEASE MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT MY
FORM?
10:02:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
SECOND FROM VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
10:02:35AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I MOVE ITEMS 4 THROUGH 11 AND 13 THROUGH 18.
10:02:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
DO A SEPARATE VOTE FOR ITEM 12.
10:02:46AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I MOVE 12.
10:02:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
VIERA, SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
10:02:53AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED --
10:02:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD.
10:02:55AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON

ABSTAINING.
AND CLENDENIN BEING ABSENT.
10:03:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NOW WE HAVE -- ALL RIGHT.
THAT COVERS IT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS COMMITTEE.
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
10:03:10AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES, CHAIR.
THANK YOU.
FOR MS. VALERIE AND MS. CONNIE, MOVING THE RESOLUTION TODAY
MEANS THAT THE CHECK IS COMING.
ITEM 24, THAT'S WHAT IS HAPPENING TODAY, SO YOU KNOW.
GLADLY I MOVE ITEMS 19 THROUGH 30, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY
AFFAIRS -- 19 THROUGH 33.
THANK YOU.
10:03:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
HENDERSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
10:03:39AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
CAN I ALSO MOVE 54 THROUGH 60.
CLENDENIN IS NOT HERE TODAY.
10:03:45AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I MAKE A COMMENT ON THOSE?
10:03:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD.
NOW THAT WE'VE VOTED ON IT, AFTER THE MEETING OR TOMORROW
MORNING WHEN THEY PREPARE IT, I SIGN THE ORDINANCE, THEN IT

GOES TO THE MAYOR FOR FINAL SIGNATURE.
THEN IT'S COMING.
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
10:04:01AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AS THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SAID, THAT
MONEY WAS APPROVED A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
IT SHOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN BACK AND FORTH AND FIGHTING.
NO OTHER NONPROFIT THAT I'M AWARE OF HAS HAD TO GO THROUGH
THAT KIND OF FIGHTING.
IT'S NOT A CITY COUNCIL ISSUE, BUT WE SHOULD NOT TREAT
NONPROFITS OF ANY KIND LIKE THAT.
SECOND, I'M HAPPY TO SEE THE FLORIDA ORCHESTRA IS IN THERE.
I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT BUT I'M GLAD WE'RE
SUPPORTING THEM.
10:04:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GOOD.
ALL RIGHT.
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, 34 THROUGH 40 WITH THE EXCEPTION OF
38 BECAUSE WE'LL HEAR THAT WITH 3.
10:04:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE ITEMS 34 THROUGH 37 AND 39 AND 40.
10:04:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, 41 THROUGH 45.

10:04:47AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE ITEMS 41 THROUGH 45.
10:04:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, 46 THROUGH 53.
10:04:56AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MOVE 46 THROUGH 53.
10:04:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, 54 THROUGH 60.
10:05:06AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I MOVE FOR MOBILITY ASSET MANAGEMENT
COMMITTEE ITEMS 54 THROUGH 60.
10:05:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO
SET THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR 64 -- 61 THROUGH 64.
10:05:22AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THE DATE TO BE
61 THROUGH 64, THOSE FOUR ITEMS.
10:05:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.

ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
10:05:33AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
MAY I MAKE A SUGGESTION?
MAYBE A RECOMMENDATION.
TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO THE ITEMS THAT WERE MOVED TO
STAFF REPORTS BECAUSE THEY ARE HIGH TICKET ITEMS.
86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, THERE ARE NO STAFF TO BE PRESENT FOR
THAT AND TO LET STAFF KNOW -- MAYBE COUNCIL WOULD BE WILLING
TO TAKE IT UP AT THIS POINT?
10:06:03AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
86 THROUGH 91.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE 86 THROUGH 91.
10:06:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
HURTAK TO MOVE 86 THROUGH 91.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
MARK THOSE OFF.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN THE 10:00 PUBLIC HEARINGS?
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, SECOND FROM COUNCIL
MEMBER HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
THESE ARE NON-QUASI-UNTIL 69 AND THEN SWEAR FOLKS IN AFTER.

MR. MASSEY.
65.
10:06:37AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
YES, SIR.
GOOD MORNING.
MORRIS MASSEY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
THIS IS SECOND READING ON AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD AMEND THE
NOTICE PROCESS FOR CHAPTER 163 DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS,
ANNUAL MONITORING REPORTS TO BE FILED IN CONNECTION WITH
THOSE, THIS WAS DONE PER YOUR REQUEST AND BEING PROCESSED
FOR SECOND READING NOW.
10:06:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK?
NO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM 65?
I SEE NO ONE.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, WOULD YOU MIND READING 65?
10:07:13AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
I MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, RELATING TO
DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS ADOPTED PURSUANT TO THE FLORIDA LOCAL

GOVERNMENT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ACT; RESCINDING CITY OF
TAMPA ORDINANCE NUMBER 88-144 IN ITS ENTIRETY AND ADOPTING
IN ITS PLACE UPDATED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PROCEDURES AND
REQUIREMENTS INCLUDING NOTICE AND ANNUAL REPORTING
REQUIREMENTS IN ARTICLE II, CHAPTER 17.5 OF THE CITY OF
TAMPA CODE, WHICH ARTICLE II SHALL BE ENTITLED DEVELOPMENT
AGREEMENT PROCEDURES AND REQUIREMENTS; AMENDING THE TITLE OF
CHAPTER 17.5 OF THE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE TO AFFORDABLE
HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, CONCURRENCY MANAGEMENT
SYSTEM AND SUSTAINABILITY, AMENDING SECTION 27-6 OF THE CITY
OF TAMPA CODE TO INCLUDE THIS ORDINANCE AS PART OF THE
CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE; REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR
PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH; PROVIDING FOR
SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:08:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:08:12AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN BEING
ABSENT.
10:08:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ITEM NUMBER 66.
10:08:23AM >>ROSS SAMONS:
FILE VAC-24-05 IS ORDINANCE BEING CONSIDERED
FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:08:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SAMONS?

NO.
IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON 66?
I SEE NO ONE.
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
10:08:47AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I MOVE FILE VAC-24-05, AN ORDINANCE BEING
CONSIDERED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING,
CLOSING, DISCONTINUING, AND ABANDONING A PORTION OF
CHANNELSIDE DRIVE RIGHT-OF-WAY LOCATED NORTH OF 3rd
AVENUE, SOUTH OF 4th AVENUE, AND EAST OF NUCCIO PARKWAY
AND WEST OF THE MERGER BETWEEN CHANNELSIDE DRIVE AND 4th
AVENUE, WITHIN THE PLAT OF LESLEY'S SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY
OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY
DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS,
CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH
HEREIN; PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR
VIOLATIONS; PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS, AND
REPEALING CONFLICTS; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING
AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:09:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER

HENDERSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:09:43AM >>THE CLERK:
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN
BEING ABSENT.
10:09:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ITEM NUMBER 67, WE HAVE A SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE.
MR. SAMONS.
10:09:53AM >>ROSS SAMONS:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION PRESENTING FILE
VAC-24-07.
THIS IS A SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
READING AND ADOPTION.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:10:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN?
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON 67?
I SEE NO ONE.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE.
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, THE SUBSTITUTE.
10:10:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
FILE NUMBER VAC-24-07, SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED

FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING,
CLOSING, DISCONTINUING, AND ABANDONING GRANT AVENUE
RIGHT-OF-WAY LOCATED NORTH OF THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, SOUTH
VAN DYKE PLACE, EAST OF NEBRASKA AVENUE AND WEST OF THE
INTERSECTION OF VAN DYKE PLACE AND RIVER COVE STREET WITHIN
THE PLAT OF FANNYPRIDE SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA, AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN
SECTION 2 HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS, CONDITIONS,
AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN;
PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS;
PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS, AND REPEALING
CONFLICTS; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:11:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:11:12AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN BEING
ABSENT.
10:11:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ITEM NUMBER 68.
10:11:17AM >>ROSS SAMONS:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION PRESENTING FILE
VAC-24-14.
THIS ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND

ADOPTION.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:11:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
NO.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON 68?
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, 68.
10:11:38AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE 68, FILE VAC-24-14,
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING,
CLOSING, DISCONTINUING AND ABANDONING THAT ALLEYWAY LOCATED
NORTH OF WASHINGTON STREET, SOUTH OF JACKSON STREET, EAST OF
BRUSH STREET, AND WEST OF NEBRASKA AVENUE, WITHIN THE PLAT
OF DREW'S ADDITION TO TOWN OF TAMPA SUBDIVISION, IN THE CITY
OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY
DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS,
CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH
HEREIN; PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR
VIOLATIONS; PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS, AND
REPEALING CONFLICTS; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING
AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:12:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER

CARLSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:12:26AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH HURTAK BEING
ABSENT AT VOTE AND CLENDENIN BEING ABSENT.
10:12:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ITEM 69.
10:12:35AM >>ROSS SAMONS:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION, PRESENTING
VAC-24-15, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:12:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SAMONS?
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC FOR ITEM NUMBER 69?
CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ITEM NUMBER 69 WE LEFT OFF WITH COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:13:00AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ITEM 69, FILE NUMBER VAC-24-15, ORDINANCE
BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN
ORDINANCE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING, CLOSING,
DISCONTINUING, AND ABANDONING THAT ALLEYWAY LOCATED NORTH OF
DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD, SOUTH OF IDA STREET, EAST
OF SHORT 30th STREET, AND WEST OF 30th STREET, WITHIN

THE PLAT OF NORTH CAMPOBELLO SUBDIVISION, IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY
DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 THEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN
COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY
SET FORTH HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES
FOR VIOLATIONS, PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS
AND REPEALING CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY,
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:13:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
SORRY.
RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:13:49AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH HURTAK BEING
ABSENT AT VOTE.
AND CLENDENIN BEING ABSENT.
10:13:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO OUR
QUASI-JUDICIAL PUBLIC HEARINGS.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK -- THE HEARINGS ARE OPEN, BUT WE
NEED TO SWEAR ANYBODY THAT'S GOING TO BE SPEAKING, 70
THROUGH 75, THEY ARE QUASI-JUDICIAL.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE SPEAKING, PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR
RIGHT HAND AND WE'LL SWEAR YOU IN.
[OATH ADMINISTERED BY THE CLERK]

ITEM NUMBER 70.
10:14:29AM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL.
LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM 70 IS BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING.
FILE SU 2-24-01.
THIS IS A SPECIAL USE 2 REQUEST FOR AIR-CONDITIONED STORAGE
IN THE CBD.
THIS IS FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 610 EAST ZACK STREET.
THE SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS WERE REQUIRED TO BE MADE BETWEEN
FIRST AND SECOND READING.
THOSE CHANGES WERE MADE.
THE SITE PLAN HAS BEEN CERTIFIED AND PROVIDED TO THE CLERK.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:14:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
NO.
DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT?
YES, MA'AM.
COME UP.
10:15:03AM >> ADDIE CLARK, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
LaCHONE DID A GREAT JOB SUMMARIZING THAT.
AS SHE MENTIONED, WE DID MAKE A REVISION OR ADDED A NOTE TO
THE SITE PLAN.
FOLLOWING FIRST READING, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION.
JUST WANTED TO PUT ON THE RECORD THAT WE WORKED WITH STAFF
AND A NOTE HAS BEEN ADDED SAYING THAT IF DEMOLISHED WE WOULD

HAVE TO COME BEFORE YOU AGAIN TO REQUEST A SELF-STORAGE
SOUTH --
10:15:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM 70?
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, 70.
10:15:38AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE
PERMIT SU-2, APPROVING AIR-CONDITIONED STORAGE IN CBD-1
CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, ZONING DISTRICT OR IN THE GENERAL
VICINITY OF 610 EAST ZACK STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
FLORIDA, AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1
HEREOF, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:15:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:16:14AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK VOTING NO AND
CLENDENIN BEING ABSENT.
10:16:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ITEM NUMBER 71.
10:16:22AM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL.

LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM 71 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM RS-50 TO
RM-18.
THIS IS FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 5607 NORTH 30th
STREET.
THIS IS BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION.
THERE'S NO SITE PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THIS REQUEST.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:16:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON
ITEM NUMBER 70?
I'M SORRY.
IS THERE AN APPLICANT FOR 71?
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC FOR 71?
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE?
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA TO CLOSE.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, 71.
10:17:05AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
FILE REZ-23-98, AN ORDINANCE BEING
PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
5607 NORTH 30th STREET, IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND

MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1, FROM ZONING
DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS-50, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY,
TO RM-18, RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
10:17:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:17:35AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN BEING
ABSENT.
10:17:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ITEM NUMBER 72.
10:17:40AM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
THANK YOU AGAIN, COUNCIL.
LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM 72 IS REZ-24-12.
IT IS FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 6718 NORTH ROME AVENUE.
THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM RS 50 RESIDENTIAL
SINGLE-FAMILY TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL,
SINGLE-FAMILY, ATTACHED USES ON-SITE.
THIS IS BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING.
SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS WERE REQUIRED TO BE MADE BETWEEN
FIRST AND SECOND READING.
THOSE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE.
THE PLAN HAS BEEN CERTIFIED AND PROVIDED TO THE CLERK.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:18:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
I SEE NONE.
DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT FOR ITEM NUMBER 72?

THE APPLICANT FIRST AND THEN THE PUBLIC.
IF YOU HAVE WALKED IN SINCE WE'VE SWORN FOLKS IN AND YOU'RE
GOING TO SPEAK, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
THIS IS FOR 72, 73, 74, AND 75.
[OATH ADMINISTERED BY THE CLERK]
10:18:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, SIR.
10:18:40AM >> KEVIN JOHNSON.
HERE ON BEHALF OF SHAKERS DEVELOPMENT.
OUR CLIENT MARTIN.
MET WITH YOU ON THE FIRST HEARING.
THE REQUEST WAS -- EXCUSE ME.
I JUST GOT OFF THE PLANE.
MET WITH THE RIVER BEND COMMUNITY.
WENT OUT TO VOLUNTEER A LITTLE BIT.
SPENT AN HOUR WITH HANK CRAMER.
HE'S LIKE ONE OF THE LEADERS OF THE COMMUNITY.
DROVE AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SHOWED ME EVERYTHING GOING ON, THE INS AND OUTS, THE
PROBLEMS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SOME OF THE SAFETY AND
INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES.
SO I REALLY GOT A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S GOING ON AS
WELL AS MEETING SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO GOT THAT DONE.
THE FOLLOWING MEETING WENT EXTREMELY WELL.
OF COURSE, THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR PROJECT AND HOW WE

INTEND TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT BECOMING PART OF THE
PROBLEM AND KIND OF LIKE JUST HELPING THE PROBLEM.
SO WE DID ALL OF THAT AND THEN MOREOVER OUR PROJECT -- SO
THERE ARE A FEW THINGS WE HOPE TO DO ONCE PERMITTING AND
CONSTRUCTION IF ALL THINGS GO WELL TODAY.
SOME OF THOSE THINGS INCLUDE LIKE JUST LANDSCAPE
IMPROVEMENTS, PUTTING BIRCHES IN AND MAGNOLIAS, TREES VERY
GOOD AT TAKING UP EXCESS STORMWATER.
YEAH, AND THEN WE ALREADY HAVE A STORMWATER VAULT THAT
SHOULD BE MORE THAN ENOUGH TO HOLD THE CAPACITY FOR OUR
SITE.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE DID.
WE MET WITH THE COMMUNITY.
I'M EXTREMELY GRATEFUL TO ACTUALLY SPEND TIME WITH HANK.
BOTH OF US BEING NATIVES, THAT WAS COOL.
APOLOGIZE TO THE RIVER BEND COMMUNITY FOR NOT DOING THAT
INITIALLY.
I'M GLAD THAT WE DID IT THE SECOND TIME AROUND.
10:20:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
IF NOT, WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM
72?
MR. CRAMER, COME ON UP.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:20:57AM >> MY NAME IS HANK CRAMER.
I REPRESENT RIVER BEND NEIGHBORHOOD CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
I LIVE AT 5933 NORTH ROME AVENUE IN TAMPA.
JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
WE WANT TO GO ON RECORD TODAY AS OBJECTING TO THE HEARING
AND ANY SUBSEQUENT VOTE THAT'S MADE TODAY DUE TO THE ORDER
GIVEN BY THE 13th JUDICIAL CIRCUIT COURT REGARDING
JURISDICTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THIS -- REGARDING
SUCH RESOLUTIONS.
SO WE REQUEST A RESCHEDULE IN THAT REGARD.
I NOTICED A COUPLE OF THE OTHER REZONES WEREN'T NOTICED
TODAY OR WEREN'T PRESENTED.
BUT, YEAH, WE DID MEET WITH THE GUYS.
WE HAD A VERY NICE TIME.
IT SEEMED LIKE A GOOD QUALITY GUYS, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF
STUFF THAT DIDN'T GET COMPLETED IN OUR TRANSACTIONS.
THERE WERE A COUPLE OF MEETINGS THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE
SUBSEQUENT THAT WEREN'T COMPLETED OR FULFILLED AND WE
HAVEN'T REALLY MET SINCE THEN.
THERE WAS AN INDICATION THAT THEY WOULD BE ADJUSTING THE
LANDSCAPE THERE, NOT JUST IN TERMS OF PROVIDING TREES, BUT
PUTTING SWALES IN.
WE TOOK THEM BACK TO THE AREA OF THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB
THAT THE CITY BUILT IN THE BACK AND HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE

STORMWATER AND HAD TO CONDEMN FIVE PROPERTIES BECAUSE OF THE
FLOW THAT CAME TO THAT PROPERTY, SHOWED THEM THOSE EMPTY
SPOTS AND THE VAULT THAT HAD TO BE PUT IN IN THAT AREA
SUBSEQUENT TO THE BUILDING OF THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.
THIS CREATED A PROBLEM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT IS RIGHT
BEHIND THE AREA THAT THEY WANT TO BUILD.
SO THERE'S MORE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
ALSO, YOU HEARD AT THE FIRST READING THE MESS AT THAT
INTERSECTION, WHICH IT IS JUST SOUTH OF A TERRIBLE
INTERSECTION WHERE THERE'S ROME AND SLIGH WHERE WE HAVE A
BALL FIELD.
WE HAVE AN ACADEMY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
WE HAVE A LOT OF INTERACTION TAKING PLACE THERE WITH
CHILDREN.
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT CROSS WALK DONE, SOMETHING
DONE.
WHAT WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO DO IS BE ABLE TO MEET WITH
FOLKS FROM THE CITY TO SEE WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THIS
AREA.
GENTLEMEN HAVE BEEN VERY FORTHCOMING IN LOOKING TO SEE THAT,
OH, NOW WE GET IT.
NOW WE SEE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY HADN'T SEEN ANY OF THIS BEFORE.
AND COMING FROM EAST TAMPA, THEY ARE FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF
THE PROBLEMS WE'VE HAD IN TERMS OF STORMWATER AND THINGS NOT

BEING HELD UP.
ANOTHER PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE AND WHY I WANT TO BRING THIS
OUT IS THE LUMPING IN OF RIVERBEND WITH THE UNIVERSITY
DISTRICT IS NOT REALLY APPROPRIATE.
AND SO THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S TAKING PLACE THERE NOW WITH
LOT SPLITS, YOU'LL PROBABLY SEE US REACTING TO A LOT MORE OF
THESE NOW BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT BEING BUILT WITH ATTENTION TO
THE STORMWATER RUNOFF IN THE AREA.
THAT'S CAUSING PROBLEMS THAT CAN BE MULTIPLIED HERE.
WE HAVE AN AREA WHERE WE HAVE FIVE HOMES.
ALL OF A SUDDEN WE NOW HAVE EIGHT HOMES.
AND SUBSEQUENT OR OTHER LOTS IN THE AREA ARE GETTING FLOODED
OUT.
SO WE NEED TO HAVE SOME MEETINGS OF THE MINDS.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO SOME TYPE OF MEETING WITH NOT ONLY THE
DEVELOPERS BUT WITH YOURSELVES.
10:24:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:24:10AM >> THANK YOU.
10:24:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON
ITEM NUMBER 72?
ALL RIGHT.
IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE, THERE'S TIME FOR REBUTTAL AT
THIS POINT.
10:24:21AM >> MOTION TO CLOSE.
10:24:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL

MEMBER HENDERSON.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
MR. MASSEY.
10:24:28AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I WANT TO CLARIFY ON THE RECORD SINCE THIS
WAS RAISED THAT YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN ADVISED BY MS. ZELMAN
CITY ATTORNEY THAT YOU MAY PROCEED WITH THE QUASI-JUDICIAL
HEARINGS AND REZONING DECISIONS DESPITE THE 13th CIRCUIT
COURT DECISION.
10:24:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
10:24:49AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEM 72, FILE
REZ-24-12, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL
VICINITY OF 6718 NORTH ROME AVENUE, IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
FLORIDA, AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1, FROM
ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION, RS-50, RESIDENTIAL,
SINGLE-FAMILY, TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL,
SINGLE-FAMILY, ATTACHED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:25:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
CARLSON.

SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:25:21AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK VOTING NO AND
CLENDENIN BEING ABSENT.
10:25:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
73, 4, 5, COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, DID YOU REVIEW THE
RECORD?
10:25:32AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES, I AM PREPARED TO VOTE FOR THOSE.
10:25:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
ITEM 73.
10:25:37AM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
ITEM 73 IS REZ-24-32.
THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM RM-16 TO CI.
THIS IS A EUCLIDEAN REQUEST, SO THERE IS NO SITE PLAN
ASSOCIATED WITH THIS REQUEST.
THIS IS FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2306 NORTH 43rd
STREET.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:25:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER 73?
NO, NO APPLICANT.
ANYBODY HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 73?
NO.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
10:26:21AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
BEFORE YOU VOTE, IF COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON
CAN CONFIRM ON THE RECORD SHE'S REVIEWED --

10:26:26AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I DID.
10:26:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I ASKED FOR ALL THREE CASES.
10:26:29AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I DID.
10:26:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
TEACHERS ARE ALWAYS PREPARED.
ALWAYS PREPARED.
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
MOTION TO CLOSE?
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER -- MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL
MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
10:26:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ITEM 73, FILE REZ-24-32, ORDINANCE BEING
PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE
REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 2306 NORTH
43rd STREET, IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1, FROM ZONING DISTRICT
CLASSIFICATIONS RM-16, RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, TO CI,
COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:27:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:27:25AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN BEING

ABSENT.
10:27:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
ITEM NUMBER 74.
10:27:31AM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM 74 IS FILE NUMBER REZ-24-44.
THIS IS ITEM IS BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING FOR SECOND READING.
THIS IS FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 5402 LAUREL STREET AND
FOLIO NUMBERS 112485-0177 AND 112445-0010.
THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM PD TO PD PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT.
AND THIS IS TO ALLOW FOR THE USES OF BUSINESS/PROFESSIONAL
OFFICE, WAREHOUSE, AND HOTEL.
SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS WERE REQUIRED TO BE MADE BETWEEN
FIRST AND SECOND READING.
THOSE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE.
THE PLAN HAS BEEN CERTIFIED AND PROVIDED TO THE CLERK.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:28:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS FROM MS. DOCK?
DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT FOR ITEM 74?
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON 74?
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.

ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, 74.
10:28:32AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FILE REZ-24-44, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED
FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING
PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 5402 LAUREL STREET AND
FOLIO NUMBERS 112485-0177 AND 112445-0010, IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1
FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT
TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, BUSINESS/PROFESSIONAL OFFICE,
WAREHOUSE, HOTEL, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:29:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:29:08AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN BEING
ABSENT.
10:29:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ITEM NUMBER 75.
ITEM NUMBER 75, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE REGISTERED.
APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE HERE IN
PERSON.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ON CAMERA?
WE DO?
WERE THEY SWORN IN?
LET'S SWEAR IN THE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SAME.
CAMILLE GOOD AND MICHAEL YATES, AILEEN POPE, ERIC HOYER AND

ERIC RIDER.
THEY MIGHT BE HERE AND SOME MIGHT BE ONLINE.
IF YOU ARE ONLINE AND WANT TO SPEAK, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND
AND WE'LL SWEAR YOU IN.
THEY MAY NOT NEED TO SPEAK.
I DON'T KNOW.
10:29:52AM >> THEY ARE ALL ON THE APPLICANT TEAM.
10:29:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
WE DON'T EXPECT THEM TO SPEAK.
OKAY.
ITEM 75, MS. DOCK, GO AHEAD.
10:30:00AM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM 75 IS FILE REZ-24-50.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REZONING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM
RM 16, RM 24, CG, CI TO PD-A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT
ALTERNATIVE.
THIS IS FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL AND
COMMERCIAL USES ON-SITE.
THIS IS FOR THE PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 3601 AND 3814 NORTH
CENTRAL AVENUE AND 501 EAST LAKE AVENUE.
SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS WERE REQUIRED TO BE MADE BETWEEN
FIRST AND SECOND READING.
THOSE CHANGES WERE MADE.
THE PLAN HAS BEEN CERTIFIED AND PROVIDED TO THE CLERK.

I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:30:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
ANY QUESTIONS?
NO.
ALL RIGHT.
APPLICANT?
WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE.
WE ALSO HAVE A RESOLUTION WITH THIS.
GO AHEAD, SIR.
10:30:51AM >> JAKE CREMER WITH STEARNS, WEAVER, MILLER.
EAST JACKSON STREET.
THIS IS THE ROBLES PARK REZONING.
WE APPRECIATED YOUR SUPPORT BEFORE.
APPRECIATE IT AGAIN TODAY.
OUR ENTIRE TEAM IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:31:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN?
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON
ITEM NUMBER 75?
COME ON UP.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
YES, MA'AM.
10:31:18AM >> GOOD MORNING.
CONNIE BURTON.
20-PLUS YEARS LIVING IN ROBLES PARK, AND I COULD TELL YOU

DURING THAT TIME, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT THE PEOPLE REQUIRED
BUT WAS DENIED SO THEY CAN IMPROVE THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE.
WHAT WE SAW WAS SOCIAL ENGINEERING THAT PROVIDED A BASE SO
THAT PEOPLE COULD HAVE TRUE NUMBERS OF SHOWING HOW POVERTY
STAY INTACT.
YOUNG BLACK MEN FOSTERED INTO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM
COMING OUT OF ROBLES PARK.
ASK THE LEADERSHIP FROM ROBLES PARK THAT HAS BEEN THE SAME
LEADERSHIP FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS HOW MANY PEOPLE WAS ABLE TO
MOVE FORWARD HOME OWNERSHIP.
HOW MANY PEOPLE WAS ABLE TO CREATE REAL BUSINESSES OUT OF
ROBLES PARK.
BUT NOW THAT WE SEE THIS TREND FOR DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I HAVE
NO DOUBT WILL PASS, LIKE ALL OF THE BIG SIX PUBLIC HOUSING
THAT WAS IDENTIFIED AS BLIGHTED, WHERE YOU HAD A HIGH
CONCENTRATION OF BLACK PEOPLE THAT ONLY HAD HOPE IN THIS
CITY, WATCHED THEIR LIVES BEING DESTROYED.
SO NOW WE HAVE RICH WHITE DEVELOPERS COME THROUGH WITH THE
TRAIL LEADERS SOMETIMES BEING BLACK FOLKS SAYING HOW NOW
THEY ARE GOING TO PROVIDE THIS WONDERFUL ENTITY FOR THAT
COMMUNITY.
HOW MANY PEOPLE FROM THAT COMMUNITY GOING TO COME BACK?
10%?
2%?
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WAS PROMISED THOSE

PEOPLE?
THE BEST CHANCE WE HAD LIVING IN ROBLES PARK WAS UNDER THE
REAGAN ADMINISTRATION WHEN WE WAS ALLOWED UNDER JACK KEMP TO
ALLOW LEADERSHIP TO COME FROM THE BOTTOM UP.
THAT WAS DESTROYED.
AND WE WATCHED ALL OF THE BIG SIX NOW EVEN THAT -- BOULEVARD
LOOKING OVER THE RIVER.
NO BLACKS ALLOWED.
PARKS AND RECREATION, BOYS AND GIRLS CLUBS, DESTROYED.
SO YOU HAVE TIED YOURSELF TO THIS.
YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN THE SAME PEOPLE OF THE BULL CONNOR
ERA WHERE BLACK FOLK HAD NOTHING AND WE STILL HAVE NOTHING.
I GOT AN 84-YEAR-OLD MOTHER RIGHT NOW LIVING IN ROBLES PARK.
TRYING TO GET A SIMPLE PLACEMENT AND BEING TOLD TO GO BACK
TO THE DOCTORS, BACKWARDS AND FORTH TO GET THE LETTER
APPROVED THAT SHE NEED A LIVE-IN AIDE.
BUT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY SPENT OVER $500,000 EVICTING ME
THE FIRST TIME.
I GUARANTEE YOU MY MOTHER GOING TO GET HER PLACEMENT OR THE
DEVELOPERS HAVE GOT A REAL GOOD FIGHT ON THEIR HANDS.
10:34:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE?
ANY REBUTTAL, MR. CREMER FOR 75?

10:34:17AM >> JAKE CREMER.
I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP THE HOUSING AUTHORITY BRIEFLY.
10:34:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COME ON UP.
EXCUSE ME.
PLEASE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:34:31AM >> DAVID ILOANYA, DIRECTOR OF REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT WITH
THE TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY.
GOOD MORNING AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRIVILEGE TO BE HERE.
JUST WANT TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT.
YOU KNOW WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF
REDEVELOPMENT.
WE DID CENTRAL PARK WHICH IS NOW THE ENCORE.
WE ARE NOW DOING NORTH BOULEVARD, WHICH IS PART OF THE WEST
RIVER REDEVELOPMENT.
THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, WHEN WE DO THIS, WE ENGAGE OUR
RESIDENTS.
WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF RELOCATION, AND WE CASE MANAGED
THEM AFTER RELOCATION AND KEEP THEM FOCUSED, KEEP THEM
INTACT AND INFORMED THEM OF THE PROGRESS OF WHAT WE ARE
DOING.
THEY MAKE THE CHOICE OF WHETHER TO COME BACK.
THEY ARE GIVEN THE FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL.
DURING THE RELOCATION PROCESS, WE TRAINED THEM.

WE PROVIDE INFORMATION AS IT RELATES TO RELOCATION 101
SECTION 8. THEY CHOOSE, THEY MAKE THEIR CHOICES IN TERMS OF
WHERE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO GO.
WE ALSO GET TRANSPORTATION, TAKE THEM AROUND THE CITY SO
THAT THEY CAN SEE FOR THEMSELVES.
AND WE PROVIDE ALL THE RESOURCES.
AND WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY COME BACK.
GIVEN THE RECORD THAT WE HAVE, USUALLY ABOUT 70% OF THEM
CHOOSE TO STAY WITHIN THE HOUSING AUTHORITY WITHIN THE
PORTFOLIO THAT WE HAVE.
WE HAVE 10 TO 15 PERCENT THAT CHOOSE TO RETURN, AND WE KEEP
TRACK OF ALL THIS INFORMATION.
AND WE CASE MANAGE THEM.
SO WHAT YOU'RE HEARING IN TERMS OF BEING GENTRIFIED, PUSHED
OUT, THAT IS NOT TRUE.
AND WE HAVE THE INFORMATION TO PROVE IT.
10:36:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IF WE HAVE ANY MORE INTERRUPTIONS, I'M GOING TO RULE YOU OUT
OF ORDER.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYBODY ELSE?
10:36:26AM >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
THAT'S ALL WE HAVE.
10:36:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK?
MOTION TO CLOSE?

MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
WHERE DID I LEAVE OFF?
MR. VIERA, 75.
THEN THE RESOLUTION.
10:36:42AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
READING AND ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
3601 AND 3814 NORTH CENTRAL AVENUE AND 501 EAST LAKE AVENUE,
IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED
IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RM 16,
RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, RM 24, RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY, CI
COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE, AND CG COMMERCIAL GENERAL TO PD-A,
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ALTERNATIVE, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY
ATTACHED AND MULTIFAMILY, STOREFRONT RESIDENTIAL OFFICE,
PERSONAL SERVICES, RETAIL BAKERY, PHARMACY, BANK, MEDICAL
AND BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, MEDICAL CLINIC, CEMETERY,
DAY CARE AND NURSERY, VOCATIONAL AND BUSINESS SCHOOL,
PRIVATE RECREATIONAL FACILITY INDOOR, CLUBS, PLACE OF
ASSEMBLY, COMMUNITY GARDEN PRIVATE, PLACE OF RELIGIOUS
ASSEMBLY, RESTAURANT, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:37:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
VIERA.

SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
10:37:36AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU, CHAIR.
THIS IS IN MY DISTRICT AND I JUST WANT TO REALLY -- I
UNDERSTAND THE HISTORICAL ASPECT OF ANYTIME WE COME IN AND
MAKE CHANGES TO HISTORICALLY BLACK SPACES.
ROBLES PARK IS A COMMUNITY THAT HAS HAD SOME CHALLENGES.
I DO FEEL IT IS IMPORTANT FOR ME TO SAY THAT THE LEGWORK OF
THE HIGH LEVEL OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT DID TAKE PLACE.
THOSE MEETINGS WITH ME.
I AM SATISFIED WITH THAT LEVEL OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND
THEIR PARTICIPATION IN ALL OF THE THINGS AND THE SERVICES
THAT ARE GOING TO BE THERE.
SO MOVING FORWARD, WE CAN'T GO BACK, BUT WE ARE MOVING
FORWARD WITH GOOD INTENTION, AND I FEEL THE THINGS THAT ARE
IN PLACE THAT ARE GOING TO IMPROVE THE ROBLES PARK COMMUNITY
IS GOING TO BE A BENEFIT TO EVEN THE CURRENT RESIDENTS WHO
HAVE THE RIGHT TO RETURN ONCE THIS PROJECT IS COMPLETE.
THANK YOU, CHAIR.
10:38:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:38:41AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO AND
CLENDENIN BEING ABSENT.
10:38:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION
BY COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.

SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
10:38:53AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO AND
CLENDENIN BEING ABSENT.
10:38:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ITEM NUMBER 76.
TAKE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS AS WELL?
YES, MA'AM.
GO AHEAD.
10:39:06AM >> BECCA JOHNS, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
THIS IS THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT
AGREEMENT FOR --
10:39:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'M SORRY.
MOVE TO OPEN THE 10:30 PUBLIC HEARINGS.
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
YES, MA'AM.
SORRY.
10:39:21AM >> THIS IS THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE ROBLES PARK
DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO ACCOMPANY THE REZONING THAT WAS
JUST APPROVED.
THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS JUST APPROVED WILL BE ATTACHED TO

THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THE DEVELOPER IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I AM HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:39:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
NO.
ANY QUESTIONS?
10:39:40AM >> GOOD MORNING, JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
JAKE CREMER WITH STEARNS WEAVER MILLER, 401 EAST JACKSON
STREET.
THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CAME ABOUT FROM DISCUSSIONS WITH
SUSAN JOHNSON BEFORE SHE RETIRED LOOKING AT LESSONS WE ALL
LEARNED FROM PROJECTS LIKE WEST RIVER, BIG PROJECTS WE FELT
LIKE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ON THE FRONT END IS GOING TO
HELP EVERYBODY HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING AS THE PROJECT
BUILDS OUT OVER THE LONG TERM.
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, IF COUNCIL WANTS AN UPDATE BECAUSE
THIS WILL TAKE A WHILE, WE'RE ALWAYS HAPPY TO COME AND GIVE
AN UPDATE ON THE PROJECT.
THANK YOU.
10:40:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON 76?
COME UP.
10:40:18AM >> VALERIE BULLOCK.
THE REASON WHY I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ALL OF THESE MOVING
FORWARD, PADs, PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS IS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN

BEGGING FOR THIS FOR YEARS.
WE NEVER WAS ABLE TO GET IT.
AS SOON AS GENTRIFICATION COMES ALONG AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD
IS GETTING WHITE WASHED NOW EVERYBODY THROW OUT THE RED
CARPET.
WE WANT THIS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE WANT THAT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I HEARD THE COUNCILWOMAN SAY THAT, YES, EVERYBODY COULD GO
BACK.
I AM A LIVING WITNESS.
I HAVE RELATIVES.
THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED BACK.
SO EVERYBODY IS NOT ALLOWED TO GO BACK TO THESE -- TO THE
APARTMENTS.
ONCE THEY TEAR DOWN WITH THE RATS AND BUILD NICE APARTMENTS,
EVERYBODY IS NOT ALLOWED TO GO BACK.
OVER AT WEST RIVER, IT'S A 25-PAGE APPLICATION.
THEY WANT A 30-YEAR CRIMINAL HISTORY.
AND YOU GOT TO HAVE A-1 CREDIT.
SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE BARRIERS YOU MIGHT WANT TO GO BACK,
BUT YOU CAN'T GO BACK.
IT IS A 25-PAGE APPLICATION.
I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS HOME.
SHE SAY, NO, YOU CAN'T LEAVE THE OFFICE WITH IT.
SO IT MIGHT LOOK GOOD ON PAPER AND SAY, YEAH, YOU ALL CAN

COME BACK.
WE ARE GOING TO BRING YOU ALL BACK, THAT IS NOT TRUE.
IT'S TOO MANY BARRIERS PUT IN PLACE SO THAT THE PEOPLE CAN'T
COME BACK.
TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY NO LONGER IS IN THE PROCESS, IT NO
LONGER MANAGE APARTMENTS.
THEY HAVE PROPERTY MANAGED GROUP.
MOST OF THE PEOPLE ARE SPANISH.
MOST OF THEM.
I THINK THEY ARE ALL HOOKED UP TOGETHER.
I'M NOT SURE, BUT WHATEVER THE PROCESS IS, PEOPLE THAT LOOK
LIKE ME DO NOT GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK.
YOU CAN LOOK AT OLD CENTRAL PARK PROJECTS.
HOW MANY BLACK PEOPLE STAY THERE?
GIVE ME A PERCENTAGE HOUSING AUTHORITY MAN?
YOU CAN'T EVEN GIVE ME A PERCENTAGE.
IT'S LESS THAN TEN.
THE PROCESS IS NOT FAIR.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
IT'S NOT FAIR.
WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
AND ANOTHER THING, ALL OF THE DEVELOPERS, THEY COME FROM OUT
OF TOWN.
GOT THEIR SUITS ON AND EVERYTHING.
DON'T EVEN KNOW PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

DON'T KNOW THE FLAVOR OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT THEY COME TO GET THE MONEY.
AND WHEN THEY COME, WE NEED TO PUT SOME STIPULATIONS ON IT.
IF YOU ALL ARE GOING TO BUILD THESE APARTMENTS HERE, WE WANT
X AMOUNT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE 40% BELOW THE POVERTY
LEVEL, THE AMI LEVEL IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
AND WE NEED 25% OF THESE BASED ON YOUR INCOME.
USUALLY WHEN I WAS GETTING FOOD STAMPS IT CAME WITH
STIPULATIONS.
WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU THESE FOOD STAMPS, YOU CAN WORK BUT
YOU CAN'T MAKE NO MORE THAN THIS.
SINCE YOU ALL ARE THE ONE OPENING UP THE DOORS TO THESE
PEOPLE, LET'S PUT SOME STIPULATIONS ON IT.
BECAUSE TOO MANY TIMES THE BUILDERS COME HERE AND THEY HAVE
THEIR STIPULATION AND WE JUST THROW MONEY AT THEM.
THROW MONEY AT THEM.
AND WE CAN'T DO THAT THIS TIME.
THANK YOU.
10:43:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?

AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
WHO WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION?
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
NEXT UP IS ITEM NUMBER 77.
YES, MA'AM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:43:46AM >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR AND COUNCIL.
McLANE EVANS, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
ITEM 77 IS THE ANNUAL ROLL ADOPTION FOR THE STORMWATER
NON-AD VALOREM SERVICE ASSESSMENT.
IT HAS NOT BEEN CHANGED.
CURRENT RATE IS $82 PER ESU.
IT HAS BEEN THAT SAME RATE SINCE 2015.
I AND STAFF ARE AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:44:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
SO JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE, THE STORMWATER SERVICE
ASSESSMENT HAS ALREADY REACHED ITS MAXIMUM LEVEL, IS THAT
CORRECT?
IT WON'T GO HIGHER THAN --
10:44:19AM >> THAT IS CORRECT.
THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF STORMWATER ASSESSMENTS.

BOTH OF THEM HAVE.
THIS PARTICULAR ONE IS THE SERVICE ASSESSMENT FOR OPERATION
AND MAINTENANCE OF THE STORMWATER SYSTEM AND APPLIES TO THE
WHOLE CITY.
IT REACHED ITS MAXIMUM LEVEL AT 2015.
10:44:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM
77?
PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES, AND PLEASE SILENCE YOUR
CELL PHONES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'M GOING TO PUT MINE ON TOO.
I HAVE A GREAT RING TONE.
YES, MA'AM.
10:44:58AM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
IF I'M WRONG, SOMEBODY PLEASE CORRECT ME.
BUT I SAID THIS ON MONDAY.
SO WE'LL JUST TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN FOR A MINUTE.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS ASSESSMENT, THERE IS A WHOLE LOT OF
MONEY GOING TOWARDS SALARIES, BUT IN THIS STORMWATER
ASSESSMENT FUND, 15.5 MILLION, 12.9 GOING TO SALARIES.
I'M SORRY.
IF THIS IS A STORMWATER ASSESSMENT, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU
THIS, I WANT MY MONEY GOING TOWARDS PROJECTS, NOT PEOPLE,

ESPECIALLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE WORDS VISION ZERO NEXT TO
THEIR JOB DESCRIPTION.
ESPECIALLY FOLKS WHO HAVE THE WORD MOBILITY NEXT TO THEIR
JOB DESCRIPTION.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO EMPLOY STORMWATER PEOPLE OUT OF THE
STORMWATER BUDGET, THAT'S FINE.
BUT, I MEAN, NOBODY BOTHERED TO CALL ME.
I SAID THIS ON MONDAY.
YOU KNOW WHAT?
I'M NOT AN EXPERT BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION ABOUT
ANYTHING BUT DIGGING AROUND IN THE BUDGET.
WHICH I LOVE TO DO.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GOT ALL THESE PROJECTS HERE AND THEY
DON'T -- THAT IS 18 MILLION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
ANYWAY, BUT THEN WHEN WE GET OVER HERE, WE'VE GOT LIKE 200
MILLION DOLLARS' WORTH OF PROJECTS.
NOW, WE MET WITH STORMWATER FOLKS YESTERDAY AND THEY SAID A
LOT OF THESE ARE GOING TO BOND OFF IN THE NEXT YEAR.
I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT SOME OF THE BONDS ARE
GOING AWAY.
BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE STORMWATER BONDS ARE
BEING SPENT TO IMPACT OUR COMMUNITIES, NOT JUST PAYING FOR
PEOPLE.
BECAUSE AS MUCH AS THOSE PEOPLE ARE HARD WORKING, THEY ARE
NOT STANDING OUT THERE WITH A BARRIER KEEPING WATER FROM

ENCROACHING ON SOMEBODY'S HOUSE.
THEY ARE NOT KEEPING THE WATER FROM COMING INTO PEOPLE'S
HOMES.
THEY ARE NOT CREATING SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO HELP US
WITH OUR FLOOD INSURANCE IN THE CITY.
YOU KNOW WHAT?
THEY HAVE SAID IN THESE MEETINGS THAT THIS IMPACTS OUR
INSURANCE RATES.
IT CAN ALSO IMPACT OUR BOND RATINGS FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
SO SOMEBODY NEEDS TO ASK WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING AND WHY
THE MONEY IS GOING THE WAY IT IS.
YOU KNOW WHAT, IF I'M WRONG, PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL ME.
EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS MY E-MAIL ADDRESS.
EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS MY PHONE NUMBER.
BUT I HAVEN'T GOTTEN A CALL SINCE MONDAY THAT SAYS,
STEPHANIE, YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I'M OKAY WITH BEING WRONG.
I JUST WANT TO ASK THE QUESTIONS.
THE NUMBER ONE QUESTION I WANT TO ASK HERE TODAY IS, WHY IS
ALL OUR STORMWATER BOND GOING TO PERSONNEL, NOT TO PROJECTS?
JUST SAYING.
10:47:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM 77?
VIK, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD, SIR?
10:47:42AM >>VIK BHIDE:
GOOD MORNING CHAIR, GOOD MORNING COUNCIL.

VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
SO THE SALARIES FOR STORMWATER EMPLOYEES ARE FOR THE
EMPLOYEES THAT DO MAINTENANCE ON THE SYSTEM, THAT ARE
SUPERVISORS OF THE TEAM THAT DOES MAINTENANCE.
IF YOU LOOK AT OUR OPERATIONS DIVISION, ABOUT 40% OF THE
STAFF, ABOUT 160 PEOPLE ARE STORMWATER OPERATIONS PERSONNEL.
THESE ARE THE SAME FOLKS THAT RESPOND TO STORMS.
THE SAME FOLKS THAT RESPOND AFTER STORMS.
THESE ARE THE FOLKS THAT HUNKER DOWN DURING EMERGENCIES.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE SALARIES ARE GOING TOWARDS.
IF THE CURRENT MOBILITY -- I NEED TO LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT A
LITTLE CLOSER, MOBILITY IS THE DEPARTMENT.
STORMWATER IS A DIVISION WITHIN MOBILITY.
THERE'S ENGINEERING AND OPERATIONS.
10:48:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
YES, MA'AM.
ANYTHING ELSE?
10:48:46AM >> YES, MR. CHAIR.
AS LEGAL, I WOULD JUST ADD THAT THE STORMWATER SERVICE
ASSESSMENT, AS WITH ALL NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENTS, HAVE
VERY STRICT PARAMETERS ON HOW THOSE DOLLARS CAN BE SPENT.
IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE DOLLARS COLLECTED BY THE CITY
UNDER THE STORMWATER SERVICE ASSESSMENT CAN ONLY BE USED FOR
STORMWATER OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE.
THEY COULDN'T BE USED FOR SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS OR

DIVISIONS AND DEPARTMENTS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN MENTIONED.
10:49:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:49:15AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DID SPEAK TO MS. POYNOR ABOUT THIS AND I
LOOKED AT THE DOCUMENTS MYSELF.
THE WAY I READ THEM, IT APPEARS THAT THAT RULE HAS BEEN
BROKEN OR THE TITLES ARE MISLABELED.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT CITY COUNCIL USE ITS INVESTIGATIVE
AUTHORITY TO TAKE A FORENSIC LOOK AT THIS BUDGET TO MAKE
SURE IT'S BEEN USED CORRECTLY.
BUT UNTIL THAT'S DONE, I'M GOING TO VOTE NO.
THANK YOU.
10:49:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THIS BUDGET OR THIS SPECIFIC ASSESSMENT?
10:49:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST BOTH.
THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY WASTED IN THE CITY.
WE KNOW THINGS SHUFFLED AROUND.
WE TALKED ABOUT SHELL GAMES IN THE PAST.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS CASE OR NOT.
BUT BY THE WAY THINGS ARE LABELED IT LOOKS LIKE MONEY IN
STORMWATER IS BEING PAID FOR OTHER THINGS.
IF IT'S NOT, AS MR. BHIDE SAID, WE NEED TO RELABEL IT.
WHEN WE'VE BEEN SUSPICIOUS IN THE PAST AND WE'VE LOOKED AT
BUDGETS, WE FOUND THAT WHAT WE LOOKED FOR WAS TRUE MOST OF
THE TIME AND OUR CONCERNS WERE REAL.
THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY WERE REAL.
I THINK WE NEED TO CAREFULLY LOOK AT THIS.

NO CRITICISM OF MR. BHIDE, BUT HOW THIS WAS PUT TOGETHER AND
HOW IT'S BEING PRESENTED ON THE SURFACE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE
ARE ISSUES AND I THINK THEY NEED TO BE INVESTIGATED.
THIS WAS A VERY CONTROVERSIAL TAX WHEN IT WAS APPROVED
BEFORE I GOT ON COUNCIL.
AND THE PUBLIC FEELS THAT IT SHOULD BE -- THE PEOPLE THAT
ARE NOT IN AREAS THAT FLOOD FEEL LIKE THEY ARE SUBSIDIZING
THE AREAS THAT ARE.
PEOPLE IN THE AREAS OF FLOOD WONDER WHY THINGS AREN'T
HAPPENING FASTER.
TO MS. POYNOR'S POINT, IF A LOT OF MONEY IS BEING SPENT ON
STAFF AND NOT ON PROJECTS, THE PUBLIC IS NOT SEEING MUCH OF
THE RESULTS OF THE STORMWATER TAX.
THEY ARE NOT SEEING THE FLOOD RELIEF.
SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE BUDGET FORENSICALLY.
THANK YOU.
10:50:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU HAD YOUR
MICROPHONE --
10:51:00AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
A COUPLE OF THINGS.
FIRST OF ALL, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO LOOKING AT SOME FOR
INVESTIGATION, BUT I GOT TO KNOW WHAT THE INVESTIGATION IS
ABOUT.
WHERE ARE THE FLAWS AT?
THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, THIS TAX MAY BE CONTROVERSIAL.

BUT WHAT IT REALLY DOES IS THE NEW PEOPLE OR THE SAME AREA
THAT IS SOMETHING MORE DEVELOPMENT, WE WANT THEM TO PAY.
NOT TO GO CITYWIDE, CITIZENS OF CITY OF TAMPA HAVE NO
INDIRECT OR DIRECT BENEFIT FROM THIS BEING CHARGED FOR THAT
TAX.
THAT'S WHY THIS IS ON THIS DEVELOPMENT ALONE.
10:51:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:51:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN POSTPONE THIS VOTE FOR THE MOVING
OF THIS RESOLUTION UNTIL MR. BHIDE CAN CLARIFY WHAT SOME OF
THOSE MOBILITY DEPARTMENTS ARE?
BECAUSE I HAD THE SAME QUESTIONS WHEN I WENT THROUGH.
IT WASN'T CLEAR.
MR. BHIDE, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU COULD DO?
10:51:58AM >>VIK BHIDE:
SO, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.
I BELIEVE WE CAN BRING THIS UP AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING,
IF NEEDED.
WE ARE STILL WITHIN THE TAX ROLL DEADLINE HERE.
HOWEVER, LET ME CLARIFY AGAIN ON SOME OF THESE POSITIONS.
A MAJORITY OF STORMWATER FLOWS OFF OF ROADWAYS INTO THE
SYSTEM AND THEN DOWN-FALLS UNLESS IT IS A CLOSED BASE SYSTEM
LIKE NEW TAMPA.
IF THERE'S ANY ROADWAY WORK RELATED TO STORMWATER, IT ISN'T
A SURPRISE AT ALL, WHICH IS WHY MANY CITIES' TRANSPORTATION

AND STORMWATER DEPARTMENTS ARE CONNECTED AND ARE UNDER ONE
ROOF.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, ANY CAPITAL PROJECT THAT WE HAVE WITH
STORMWATER INCLUDES PAVING, INCLUDES OTHER PERIPHERAL STREET
FURNITURE, AND THAT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE INTRINSICALLY
CONNECTED.
WHEN WE DO PAVING OF ROADS AS WELL, ONE KEY PART OF IT IS
PROFILING THE ROADWAY TO DIRECT STORMWATER.
THAT IS THE MAIN REASON FOR PROFILING THE ROADWAY IN THE
ROADWAY SYSTEMS.
SO IF THESE ARE -- AND WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SCALE OF
THIS, BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS REACHES ANY MUSTER OF
SIGNIFICANT CONCERN, BUT WE'LL LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTS.
BUT I DO WANT COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THAT
STORMWATER AND ROADWAYS ARE INTRINSICALLY CONNECTED.
MORE WATER FLOWS OVER ROADWAYS INTO OUR SYSTEM THAN THE
SYSTEMS THEMSELVES OR THROUGH OUR PONDS.
10:53:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
MS. EVANS, SINCE -- CAN YOU CLARIFY?
YOU SAID THAT ALL OF THE MONEY HAS TO BE SPENT WITHIN
STORMWATER.
IS THAT STORMWATER, DOES THAT INCLUDE PAVING BY THE
RESOLUTION OR THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS CREATED?
10:54:00AM >> McLANE EVANS, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, YOU ARE STARTING TO GET INTO THE

TECHNICAL DETAILS BEYOND SORT OF MY LEGAL EXPERTISE.
HOWEVER, THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE DOLLARS COLLECTED
UNDER THE NON-AD VALOREM STORMWATER ASSESSMENT IS THAT THOSE
DOLLARS BE SPENT FOR OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF THE
STORMWATER SYSTEM.
NOW, IF YOU HAVE TO TEAR UP A ROAD OR CREATE A NEW AREA TO
INSTALL OR MAINTAIN A STORMWATER SYSTEM, WE HAVE A DUTY AND
OBLIGATION TO PUT THAT BACK.
SO THAT COULD BE COSTS THAT WOULD BE NORMALLY INCLUDED IN
THAT.
HOW EXACTLY THE COMPONENTS OF EACH INDIVIDUAL STORMWATER
PROJECT ARE DEFINED, I WOULD NEED TO GET SOME HELP FROM SOME
OF THE STAFF ENGINEERS FOR THAT.
10:54:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I'M STILL GOING TO SAY, IF THERE'S WIGGLE ROOM IN BEING ABLE
TO MAYBE EXTEND THE PUBLIC HEARING SO WE CAN GET ANSWER TO
THE QUESTIONS, I WOULD PREFER THAT BECAUSE I WOULD RATHER
NOT HAVE TO VOTE NO.
BUT I AM -- I MEAN, THAT MAKES SENSE, BUT I WOULD STILL LIKE
TO SEE IT.
THAT'S JUST MY RECOMMENDATION.
10:55:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE CAN TAKE IT OFF UNTIL SEPTEMBER 5,
MAYBE.
THAT IS THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
10:55:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
COULD WE DO THAT SEPTEMBER 3?

10:55:20AM >> I'LL HAVE TO DEFER TO MR. BHIDE.
IS THE TAX COLLECTOR'S DEADLINE SEPTEMBER 15 DO YOU KNOW OR
IS IT BEFORE THEN?
10:55:30AM >>VIK BHIDE:
I DON'T KNOW.
I'LL NEED TO CONFIRM THAT.
10:55:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LET'S HOLD OFF UNTIL WE GET -- WE CAN
PUT IT LATER IN THE AGENDA.
10:55:40AM >> OKAY.
IF YOU COULD PUT IT BACK ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE IF WE MISS
THAT DEADLINE, WE MISS THE WHOLE ASSESSMENT FOR THE YEAR AND
I WILL CHECK ON THAT FOR YOU.
10:55:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. BHIDE IF YOU CAN GET THE INFORMATION
WITH WHAT THE DEADLINE IS.
TELL THE LEGISLATIVE AIDE AND SHE WILL TELL ME.
IF WE CAN LOOK AT SEPTEMBER 5, WHICH IS THE NEXT CITY
COUNCIL MEETING, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AWAY.
10:56:08AM >>VIK BHIDE:
CHAIR, IF I COULD ADD ONE MORE THING, THE
IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT IS WHAT DOES PROJECTS, CAPITAL
PROJECTS FOR THE MOST PART.
THE SERVICE ASSESSMENT MAY HAVE PROJECTS IN RESPONSE TO A
FLOODING EVENT OR IN RESPONSE TO MINOR PROJECTS, WHICH IS
LIKE UNDER HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TYPICALLY.
BUT A MAJORITY OF THE SERVICE ASSESSMENT WORK IS PROVIDING
SERVICE.
AND OUR STAFF DOING IT IS CHEAPER THAN CONTRACTS.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE CONTRACTS THAT AMOUNT TO MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS.
ALSO, THE OPERATING BUDGET FOR STORMWATER IS HIGHER THAN
WHAT THE ASSESSMENT BRINGS IN.
JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT OUR OPERATING BUDGET ISN'T 15.5
MILLION.
IT'S ALMOST $21 MILLION.
FOR STORMWATER OPERATIONS.
10:56:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
BEFORE WE TAKE ANY MOTIONS OR ACTION, THERE'S MORE PUBLIC
COMMENT.
THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN THAT RECEIVED NOTICE AND WANTED TO
SPEAK.
BUT HE ONLY SPEAKS SPANISH, MR. SHELBY.
CAN WE TRANSLATE OR NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT?
10:57:11AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ONLINE OR PRESENT?
10:57:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HE'S RIGHT HERE.
10:57:16AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PERHAPS WE CAN HOLD THAT.
IF HE CAN ONLY SPEAK SPANISH, WE ONLY HAVE -- I DON'T THINK
IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE A COUNCIL MEMBER TRANSLATE.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO HOLD THIS -- WHO IS THIS GENTLEMAN WHO
NEEDS HELP?
10:57:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IN THE BLUE T-SHIRT A COUPLE OF ROWS
BACK.
10:57:40AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
LET ME SEE WHAT I CAN DO WORKING WITH THE

CLERK'S OFFICE, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TO GET SOMEBODY TO
ASSIST US.
10:57:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
THEY'LL TALK TO HIM DIRECTLY SINCE WE'LL POSTPONE THIS ITEM.
10:57:50AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
HE'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY DURING THE TIME
IT IS POSTPONED TO BE ABLE TO GET SOMEBODY HERE TO HELP HIM
SPEAK SO WHEN IT COMES BACK, HE'LL BE ABLE TO SPEAK.
10:57:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COME BACK AT ANOTHER DATE.
10:58:01AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO, TODAY.
10:58:05AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
[INAUDIBLE]
10:58:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LISA BROUGHT ME A PIECE OF PAPER.
10:58:15AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
LET ME SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO ACCOMMODATE.
10:58:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
77 AND 78, PUSH THEM OFF REAL QUICK.
10:58:21AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WOULD YOU LET HIM KNOW
I'LL TRY TO ACCOMMODATE HIM.
10:58:24AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
[SPEAKING SPANISH]
COME TO THE MIKE.
10:58:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
[SPEAKING SPANISH]
10:58:45AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
[SPEAKING SPANISH]
10:58:51AM >> [SPEAKING SPANISH]
10:59:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
77 AND 78, ALL IN ONE.
10:59:06AM >> BUT IN REGARDS TO THIS ITEM.
10:59:11AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PURPOSES OF THE RECORD AND THE HEARING,
EXPLAIN THE NOTICE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WHAT NUMBERS.

10:59:18AM >> IT DOESN'T SAY.
JUST HAS A SIDE ADDRESS AND PROPERTY ID NUMBER.
10:59:25AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
STORMWATER ASSESSMENT.
10:59:27AM >> YES.
10:59:27AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
COULD YOU INFORM HIM, UNLESS YOU ARE ABLE
TO TRANSLATE --
10:59:33AM >> HIS SPANISH IS BETTER THAN MINE, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:59:37AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU CAN ASK HIM TO PLEASE REMAIN HERE
WHILE WE ARRANGE TO HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN TO HELP TRANSLATE.
10:59:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
[SPEAKING SPANISH]
11:00:01AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:00:03AM >>VIK BHIDE:
IF I CAN CLARIFY, I HAVE THE INFORMATION.
SEPTEMBER 5th WILL WORK.
THE DEADLINE IS SEPTEMBER 15.
11:00:11AM >> GENERAL HOUSEKEEPING ITEM BEFORE YOU CONTINUE, WE
RECEIVED ONE WRITTEN COMMENT FOR ITEM NUMBER 77 AND ONE
WRITTEN COMMENT FOR ITEM 78.
WOULD COUNCIL PLEASE RECEIVE AND FILE THOSE?
11:00:22AM >> SO MOVED.
11:00:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE?
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
11:00:30AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD MOVE TO -- CAN I JUST MAKE A
COMMENT?

I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT.
WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO A FORENSIC INVESTIGATION BETWEEN
NOW AND SEPTEMBER 5th.
I WOULD ASK -- MAKE A MOTION OR ASK THAT THE -- THIS GOES
ABOVE VIK'S HEAD.
THIS ISSUE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, VIK IS PARTLY INVOLVED BUT
OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE CITY.
I WOULD ASK THAT THE FOLKS INVOLVED IN THE CITY WOULD MEET
WITH MAYBE THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY AND OUR BUDGET ADVISOR
TO GO THROUGH AND SHOW THEM WHAT ALL THESE LABELS MEAN.
IF OUR ADVISOR COMES BACK AND ALSO INCLUDE MS. POYNOR, BUT
IF THEY COME BACK AND SAY, OKAY, IT WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING,
THEN FINE, AND WE'LL MOVE FORWARD.
OTHERWISE THERE MAY BE A SITUATION WHERE WE NEED TO CHANGE
LABELS OR WHATEVER.
11:01:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THAT A MOTION AND
ALSO CONTINUE 77 AND 78 UNTIL SEPTEMBER 5th?
I'LL GO TO MR. SHELBY.
11:01:32AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I SUGGEST THAT MOTION NOT BE MADE DURING
THIS PUBLIC HEARING, NUMBER ONE.
THE MOTION THAT IS OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
AND TO HOLD THIS ITEM FOR JUST A FEW MINUTES TO SEE IF THIS
GENTLEMAN DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK SO HE CAN ACTUALLY SPEAK
TO IT IF THAT'S WHAT HE WISHES TO TODAY.
11:01:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.

11:01:53AM >> I JUST -- McLANE EVANS, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, REMIND
COUNCIL TO PLEASE LEAVE THE HEARINGS OPEN.
AS MR. BHIDE SAID, WE CAN MAKE THE SEPTEMBER 15 DEADLINE
WITH THE TAX COLLECTOR IF YOU CHOOSE TO CONTINUE THE ITEM.
ONE OTHER POINT TO CONSIDER ON NUMBER 78, WHICH IS THE
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ASSESSMENT, WE DO HAVE ISSUED BONDS
THAT ARE DEPENDENT UPON THE APPROVAL OF THAT.
JUST ONE POINT TO CONSIDER ON THAT ITEM.
11:02:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
MR. SHELBY, WHAT IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
11:02:27AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU COULD HOLD 77 AND 78 WHILE I TRY TO
MAKE CONTACT WITH SOMEBODY WHO CAN TRANSLATE.
11:02:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
ALL RIGHT.
SE OR -- [SPEAKING SPANISH]
ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL GO TO 79.
11:02:54AM >>> JUSTIN VASKE, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I AM HERE REGARDING ITEM 79.
WE ARE REQUESTING THE APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION TO ADOPT A
NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT ROLL FOR THE NON-AD VALOREM
ASSESSMENT WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN YBOR AREAS OF THE CITY OF
TAMPA FOR THE PURPOSE OF PAYING A PORTION OF THE OPERATING
COSTS OF THE TAMPA HISTORIC ELECTRIC STREETCAR PROJECT
DURING FISCAL YEAR 2025.

AS A REMINDER, APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION THAT ADOPTS THE
NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT ROLL MUST OCCUR DURING THE
HEARING.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS HEARING IS TO HEAR TESTIMONY AND RECEIVE
EVIDENCE TO CONSIDER THE ADOPTION OF THE NON-AD VALOREM
ASSESSMENT ROLL WITHIN THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT DISTRICT TO
PAY A PORTION OF THE OPERATING COSTS OF THE TAMPA YBOR
HISTORIC ELECTRIC STREETCAR PROJECT.
THE CITY OF TAMPA, AFTER PROVIDING NOTICE BY FIRST-CLASS
U.S. MAIL TO THE AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE SPECIAL
ASSESSMENT DISTRICT AND BY PUBLICATION IN THE NEWSPAPER
GENERALLY CIRCULATED IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IN ACCORDANCE
WITH FLORIDA STATUTES.
WE HAVE DONE THIS.
MR. MICHAEL ENGLISH IS HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM.
I HAVE RECEIVED ONE OBJECTION REGARDING THIS ASSESSMENT, AND
I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT IT TO THE CLERK TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
11:04:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE
FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
MR. ENGLISH WILL NOW PRESENT.
MR. ENGLISH, COME ON UP.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.

11:04:26AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL ENGLISH.
I'VE BEEN BEFORE YOU BEFORE AND I'M PLEASED TO BE HERE AGAIN
THIS MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THE STREETCARS -- THE STREETCAR HAD ANOTHER IMPORTANT YEAR.
WE CARRIED OVER 1.3 MILLION PEOPLE.
WE'RE MAKING A LOT OF TOURISTS HAPPY.
WE'RE MAKING A LOT OF RESIDENTS HAPPY.
IT'S BECOME -- STREETCAR HAS REALLY BECOME AN IMPORTANT ICON
IN THE CHARACTER AND FLAVOR OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I'M VERY PROUD TO HAVE BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH IT FOR SO MANY
YEARS.
I'M HERE THIS MORNING TO ASK YOU TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE
SPECIAL ASSESSMENT AS YOU HAVE IN PREVIOUS YEARS.
I WANT TO ALSO THANK THE HART.
HART STAFF HAS DONE AN AMAZING JOB OPERATING THE STREETCAR.
THEY WORK VERY HARD AT IT.
THEY DON'T MAKE MANY MISTAKES.
I ALSO WANT TO THANK VIK BHIDE AND THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT
AND YOUR RISK MANAGER AND A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE CITY
ADMINISTRATION HAVE BEEN ENDLESSLY HELPFUL WITH US WHENEVER
HART NEEDS HELP OR THE STREETCAR BOARD NEEDS HELP.
SO ON BEHALF OF THE STREETCAR BOARD, I'M ASKING FOR YOUR
SUPPORT.
AND I HAVE HART SENIOR STAFF WITH ME THIS MORNING TO ANSWER

ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
11:05:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
11:05:53AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK STAFF.
SORRY TO MAKE YOU GET BACK UP AGAIN.
THE FEEDBACK I SAW FROM THE PUBLIC IS CONCERN THAT PEOPLE
THINK THIS IS NEW.
COULD YOU JUST ADDRESS THAT, PLEASE?
11:06:04AM >> JUSTIN VASKE, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
THIS IS NOT A NEW ASSESSMENT AND THE RATE HAS NOT CHANGED.
11:06:09AM >>BILL CARLSON:
NOT AN INCREASE.
11:06:11AM >> NOT INCREASE.
THE DISTRICT HAS NOT BEEN EXPANDED EITHER.
11:06:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
BECAUSE I, TOO, HEARD CONCERNS.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM
79?
HART, MR. WILLETS IS HERE AND OTHERS.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD?
NO.
ALL RIGHT.
WE CANNOT CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL WE PASS THIS
RESOLUTION.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION?
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.

ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE. NOW DO WE NEED A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING OR
LEAVE IT?
MOTION TO CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, SECOND FROM COUNCIL
MEMBER HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR, MR. ENGLISH.
11:07:06AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AS ALWAYS.
11:07:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NOW WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 80.
11:07:11AM >> JUSTIN VASKE, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
HERE FOR ITEM 80.
WE ARE REQUESTING THE APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION TO ADOPT THE
NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT ROLL FOR A NON-AD VALOREM
ASSESSMENT WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN SPECIAL SERVICE DISTRICT OF
THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR THE PURPOSE OF PAYING FOR THE
PROVISION OF CERTAIN ENHANCED SERVICES IN SAID AREA DURING
THE 2025 FISCAL YEAR, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO,
MARKETING BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT SAFETY, MAINTENANCE,
TRANSPORTATION, AND PLANNING, BEAUTIFICATION AND URBAN
DESIGN.
ONCE AGAIN, IT IS A REMINDER THAT APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION

THAT ADOPTS THE NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT MUST OCCUR DURING
THE HEARING.
WE ARE ALSO SEEKING THE APPROVAL OF THE DOWNTOWN SPECIAL
SERVICES AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE DOWNTOWN
PARTNERSHIP REGARDING THE USE OF THE NON-AD VALOREM
ASSESSMENT WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN SPECIAL SERVICES DISTRICT.
THE CEO AND PRESIDENT OF THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP IS HERE TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I'VE RECEIVED TWO OBJECTIONS TO THIS ASSESSMENT, WHICH I
WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT TO THE CLERK TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
11:08:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM COUNCIL
MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
11:08:18AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO ASK THE SAME QUESTION.
I ASK THIS QUESTION EVERY YEAR BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE HAVE JUST
MOVED INTO CERTAIN AREAS.
AGAIN, SAME QUESTION.
IT'S NOT NEW AND NOT AN INCREASE, RIGHT?
11:08:28AM >> JUSTIN VASKE, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
IT IS NOT NEW, AND THERE'S NO INCREASE.
11:08:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HOW LONG BEEN GOING ON, 30 YEARS, SOMETHING

LIKE THAT?
11:08:35AM >> I THINK IN THE RANGE OF 20 YEARS, 25.
11:08:38AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
11:08:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
YES, MA'AM.
COME ON UP.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:08:49AM >> GOOD MORNING.
HEATHER VANDERFORD.
I AM A RECENT RESIDENT IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
33602 ZIP CODE.
I'M JUST CONFUSED AS TO WHY THIS IS A TAX ON OUR ZIP CODE
AND NOT A CITY TAX WHEN MOST OF THE AREA THAT WE LIVE IN,
EVERYONE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA IS USING THE AMENITIES, USING
THE RIVERWALK AREA, USING ARMATURE WORKS.
IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM FAIR.
11:09:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
11:09:21AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SHOULD WE GET STAFF TO EXPLAIN HOW THESE ARE
SET UP?
11:09:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YEAH, WE HAVE MR. DRINKARD HERE AND THE
NEW DIRECTOR.
11:09:32AM >>BILL CARLSON:
LEGAL POINT OF VIEW TO SET ONE OF THESE UP,
YOU CAN EXPLAIN IT, BUT YOU HAVE TO GET INPUT FROM THE
COMMUNITY.

11:09:38AM >> JUSTIN VASKE, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
THIS SPECIAL SERVICES ASSESSMENT AREA IS A LIMITED
ASSESSMENT AREA.
IT'S FOR SERVICES -- THEY PROVIDE SERVICES WITHIN THAT AREA.
SO IT'S NOT A CITYWIDE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT.
IT'S ONLY FOCUSED ON THE ASSESSMENT AREA.
AND IT PROVIDES A BENEFIT TO THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
11:09:58AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IN THE BEGINNING
WHEN THEY SET IT UP, THEY GET INPUT FROM PROPERTY OWNERS AND
PROPERTY OWNERS CAN OPT IN OR OPT OUT? NO?
11:10:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. MASSEY.
11:10:08AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
EXPLAIN HOW THIS IS SET UP.
SPECIAL ASSESSMENT DISTRICT, YOU CAN'T OPT IN OR OPT OUT.
THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO ESTABLISH THE DISTRICT.
THERE HAS TO BE A STUDY AND AN ANALYSIS PROVING THAT AREA
HAS BENEFITED BY THE ASSESSMENT.
AND THAT THOSE MONIES ARE USED IN THAT AREA SOLELY FOR THOSE
PURPOSES THAT ARE SET FORTH.
AND THERE IS A METHODOLOGY THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED AND HAS
TO MEET CERTAIN LEGAL TEST.
THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE BODY TO ESTABLISH THAT
ASSESSMENT.
IT COMES BEFORE YOU ALL ANNUALLY.
11:10:39AM >>BILL CARLSON:
BUT WHEN IT WAS SET UP, I ONLY KNOW FROM THE
EXPERIENCE OF TRYING TO DO THE ONE WORKING WITH FOLKS IN

YBOR, IN THE BEGINNING WHEN IT WAS SET UP, IF A PROPERTY
OWNER WAS ON THE BORDER AND THEY SAID I DON'T WANT TO BE
INCLUDED, I DON'T WANT THE SERVICES, COULD THEY HAVE OPTED
OUT AT THAT TIME?
11:10:54AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THERE ARE PROCESSES BY WHICH IF THIS
COUNCIL BELIEVE IN A SPECIFIC AREA DID NOT MEET THAT TEST
AND WANTED TO BE EXCLUDED, WE COULD GO AND WE'VE DONE THAT
BEFORE WITH THE DOWNTOWN ASSESSMENT.
11:11:07AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THOSE DECISIONS WERE MADE 20 YEARS AGO.
11:11:09AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THOSE DECISIONS MADE MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.
YES, EXCLUDED AREAS BASED ON EVIDENCE AT THAT TIME.
11:11:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION, THE FIRST ONE?
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
THIS IS THE FIRST PART OF THE RESOLUTION OF 80.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
ALL RIGHT.
AND THEN THE SECOND RESOLUTION.
11:11:36AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SO MOVED.
11:11:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM -- [INAUDIBLE]
11:11:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DOES THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP HAVE
ANYTHING TO PRESENT?

11:11:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT WOULD BE NICE TO --
11:11:47AM >> GOOD MORNING AND THANK YOU.
I JUST WANT TO INTRODUCE MYSELF TO THIS HONORABLE BODY.
KENYETTA BRIDGES, NEW PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE TAMPA
DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP.
I JUST WANT TO COMMEND THIS BODY AND THANK THIS BODY FOR THE
WORK TO ADVANCE TAMPA AS A WHOLE AS WELL AS THE CITY OF
DOWNTOWN.
AS A PARTNERSHIP, WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO WORK WITH
YOU TO ADVANCE THE GROWTH OF DOWNTOWN TO ENSURE THAT
DOWNTOWN IS A PREMIER DESTINATION FOR RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES
AND VISITORS.
I JUST THANK YOU.
11:12:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WELCOME.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO MOVE THE SECOND RESOLUTION?
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
SO THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS HERE --
11:12:34AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE AFTER THAT?
11:12:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
MOTION FROM VIERA, SECOND MIRANDA, ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
GOING BACK REAL QUICK TO THE STORMWATER ITEMS, I KNOW THE

GENTLEMAN THAT WAS HERE, WE WERE ABLE TO HELP HIM.
MR. MASSEY, DID YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING TO 77 AND 78?
11:12:55AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
ONE CONCERN THAT I HAD.
THERE WAS A LEGAL DECISION THAT CAME OUT RELATIVE TO YOUR
OPENING AND CONTINUING ZONING HEARINGS WHERE A DISTRICT
COURT SAID THAT THAT, BECAUSE OF STATUTE, DID NOT DIRECTLY
ADDRESS THAT.
YOU COULDN'T DO THAT.
LEGISLATURE HAD TO GO AND FIX THAT.
THAT DOESN'T APPLY NECESSARILY TO SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS.
THESE SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS, LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU, THE
STORMWATER SERVICE ASSESSMENT BASICALLY PAYS FOR THE
STORMWATER OPERATION STAFF FOR THE CITY.
I KNOW THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
IF THAT ASSESSMENT DOES NOT GET PASSED, WE BASICALLY DON'T
HAVE A STORMWATER OPERATIONS DEPARTMENT ANY LONGER.
AND THEN THE STORMWATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT
BASICALLY PAYS FOR CAPITAL STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE
HAVE BORROWED MONEY AND ISSUED BONDS ON.
SO THOSE ARE IMPORTANT THINGS FOR THIS COUNCIL TO BE AWARE
OF.
11:13:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. MASSEY, IF WE WERE TO CONTINUE THIS
OR POSTPONE THIS FOR TWO WEEKS, ARE WE IN VIOLATION?
11:13:52AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THAT IS THE QUESTION I ASKED McLANE EVANS
TO LOOK AT, FRANKLY.

I'M CONCERNED THAT CASE THAT CAME OUT IN THE ZONING CONTEXT,
TRY TO MAKE THAT SAME ARGUMENT IN THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT.
11:14:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE CAN HOLD OFF ANY MOTIONS UNTIL LATER
IN THE MEETING AS WE EXPLORE THAT.
11:14:08AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU WANT TO HOLD OFF ON THAT.
I DON'T THINK -- I'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH MR.
MASSEY.
I DO THINK THERE IS VALIDITY IN WHAT HE'S SAYING.
IT'S TWO DIFFERENT STATUTES.
11:14:20AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
TWO DIFFERENT STATUTES.
LEGISLATURE HAD TO FIX 166.
11:14:26AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THIS IS NOT UNDER 166.
BUT REASONING OF THE COURT COULD APPLY IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO
CHALLENGE THIS.
11:14:32AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
CORRECT.
THAT'S MY CONCERN.
11:14:33AM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST SO YOU KNOW AND THE PUBLIC KNOWS, MY
OBJECTION IS NOT THAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE THIS BECAUSE WE NEED
TO HAVE STORMWATER REMEDIATION.
MY QUESTION IS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE MONEY IS BEING SPENT
EFFICIENTLY AND BEING SPENT ON STORMWATER AND NOT SOMETHING
ELSE BECAUSE WE NEED -- SO IF WE VOTE TODAY, I'M GOING TO
VOTE NO NOT BECAUSE I'M AGAINST MOVING THESE PROJECTS
FORWARD.
I'M GOING TO VOTE NO BECAUSE I'M NOT CONFIDENT THAT THE

MONEY IS BEING SPENT EFFECTIVELY TO REMEDIATE THE STORMWATER
PROBLEM.
11:15:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO WOULD YOU BE MAKING A MOTION TO
CONTINUE THIS OR LEAVE IT ALONE?
11:15:17AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I'M VOICING MY CONCERN ABOUT CONTINUING.
IF THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO DO, THAT'S FINE BUT
THERE IS A RISK ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
11:15:27AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I JOIN IN THAT CONCERN AS WELL.
11:15:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CAN WE HOLD THIS UNTIL AFTER LUNCH SO WE
CAN HAVE TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT?
I'M TRYING TO BE AS FLEXIBLE AS POSSIBLE.
11:15:38AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
WE'VE ALREADY CONTINUED IT, I GUESS.
WAITING UNTIL AFTER LUNCH IS NOT A PROBLEM.
I'M NOT SURE WE'LL HAVE A DIFFERENT ANSWER AFTER LUNCH TO
BE, QUITE HONESTLY, WITH YOU.
11:15:51AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE ISSUE WOULD BE IF IT IS DELAYED, THE
ONLY ISSUE WOULD NOT BE WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD BE ON SOUND
LEGAL GROUND AFTER LUNCH.
I DON'T THINK THAT WILL CHANGE.
WHAT WOULD CHANGE IS WHETHER THE STAFF COULD BE ABLE TO WORK
WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT
HAVE CONCERNS THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED THAT MIGHT PUT THEIR
MINDS AT EASE TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS TODAY.
OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE A NO VOTE.
11:16:13AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I SUGGEST WE WAIT UNTIL AFTER LUNCH TO SEE IF THE STAFF CAN
TAKE A LOOK AT ANY CONCERNS AND THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
IF THERE IS A REASONABLE BASIS TO STATE THAT IF WE CONTINUE
IT, THEN WE UNDERMINE THE LEGAL SUFFICIENCY OF THIS ITEM,
I'M NOT COMFORTABLE MAKING THAT RISK OR HAVING THAT RISK.
I THINK THE REASONABLE THING TO DO IS WAIT AFTER LUNCH AND
LET MR. BHIDE AND OTHERS TAKE A LOOK AT THE ISSUES THAT HAVE
BROUGHT CONCERNS, SEE IF THEY CAN'T BE RESOLVED.
IF THEY CAN'T, WE TAKE A VOTE AND GO FROM THERE.
11:16:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I THINK THAT IS A VERY ITALIAN WAY TO DO
IT.
EAT, THINK ABOUT IT.
AND WE'LL REVISIT IT AFTER LUNCH.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY HARM IN A FEW HOURS.
WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT.
77 AND 78 WE'LL WAIT UNTIL AFTER LUNCH.
11:16:58AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO ANY COUNCIL
MEMBER WHO HAS QUESTIONS TO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THEM IF
THEY WISH TO BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
11:17:05AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T THINK WE'LL GET THE ANSWERS BETWEEN
NOW AND THEN.
I THINK IN THE FUTURE AS THESE THINGS COME UP, THERE SHOULD
BE SOME OTHER KIND OF RELEASE VALVE WHERE WE HAVE A
DISCUSSION ABOUT THE NUMBERS TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE BEING
USED EFFECTIVELY IN ALL OF THESE BECAUSE THE PUBLIC IS

GETTING MORE AND MORE SOPHISTICATED ABOUT THE WAY THEY ARE
LOOKING AT THESE THINGS, THEY ARE ASKING US QUESTIONS, THEY
ARE OBJECTING MORE AND MORE TO TAXES.
AND EVERY DAY I HEAR, ESPECIALLY ON DAYS LIKE TODAY, I HEAR
WHY IS THERE FLOODING ON MY STREETS, AND PEOPLE FEEL LIKE
THE PROJECTS ARE GOING REALLY SLOWLY AND THEN WE LOOK AT THE
NUMBERS AND IT LOOKS LIKE MOST OF THE MONEY IS SPENT ON
PEOPLE AND NOT PROJECTS.
WE NEED TO HAVE MORE COMMUNICATION AND THE ADMINISTRATION
NEEDS TO HAVE MORE OF A DIALOGUE WITH THE PUBLIC ON THIS TO
BUILD TRUST ABOUT HOW THE MONEY IS BEING SPENT AND MAKE SURE
IT IS BEING SPENT CORRECTLY.
WE SEE PROJECTS GO FROM A PARK $5 MILLION THAT GOES TO 18
MILLION TO 41 MILLION.
WE HAVE A POLICE EVIDENCE ROOM THAT'S GONE FROM 5 MILLION TO
40 MILLION.
THERE'S NO LIMIT TO HOW MONEY IS SPENT ON THINGS.
ON THIS PROJECT AND PIPES, I HEAR FROM VENDORS AND OTHERS
ALL THE TIME THAT THERE'S WASTEFUL SPENDING IN THE MILLIONS
AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND PEOPLE AT HOME ARE SUFFERING.
THEY HAVE FLOODING IN THE STREETS AND THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO
PAY FOR FOOD.
MOST OF THE RESTAURANTS I TALK TO ARE DOWN 30% RIGHT NOW.
RESTAURANTS ARE GOING OUT OF BUSINESS.
ELLA'S IS CLOSING.

PEOPLE AREN'T SPENDING MONEY GOING OUT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T
AFFORD TO EAT OUT ANYMORE.
IF THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO EAT OUT AND CUTTING COSTS IN EVERY
WAY, WE NEED TO SHOW WE'RE USING EVERY DOLLAR EFFECTIVELY.
THANK YOU.
11:18:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MAYBE GOING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE WE CAN NOT
JUST HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING BUT DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING
MAYBE HAVE A PRESENTATION.
I THINK THAT WOULD HELP GOING FORWARD.
IF WE ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THIS, THEN I THINK
WE NEED TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:19:11AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU CAN TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT NOW.
11:19:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
IF PEOPLE ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON IT, I'D RATHER THEM DO IT
NOW.
11:19:19AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FOR PURPOSES OF THE HEARING, WOULD YOU
KINDLY ASK IF ANYBODY IS HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEMS 77 AND 78?
11:19:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, I WAS DOING THAT.
YES, MA'AM.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK ON 77 AND 78?
PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME.
11:19:38AM >> I'M A NEW HOMEOWNER.
JANELLE RISKETTE.
I GOT TWO DIFFERENT LETTERS THAT STATED MY PARCEL AND THE
ASSESSMENT COST.

I'M VERY NEW.
I'M A FIRST-TIME HOMEOWNER THROUGH HABITAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE AWARE OF HABITAT.
I'M SURE.
IT IS HELP FOR HOME TO BE AFFORDABLE, COSTS.
I JUST BOUGHT IT.
I GOT THAT LETTER.
I'M A SINGLE MOM.
I GO TO SCHOOL.
I WORK FOR USF AND ON MY PLAN I SEE THAT COST.
OKAY, BEING A FIRST-TIME HOMEOWNER, I DON'T KNOW REALLY WHAT
THIS IS ABOUT.
I DID READ THE LETTER.
I KIND OF GET THE GIST OF IT.
OKAY.
I'M GOING TO BE BY, BUT I AM WITH MR. BILL CONSIDERING AND
GETTING DOWN TO SPECIFICS, BUDGETS BEING USED SPECIFICALLY
AND THOROUGHLY, NOT JUST AS A GENERAL VIEW BECAUSE IT CAN
AFFECT PEOPLE.
I LIVE IN A NON-FLOOD ZONE, SO MY CASE, BUT I WANTED TO
STATE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
A LITTLE BIT ADDS UP.
THEN PROPERTY TAXES.
IT BECOMES LIKE A TRICKLE EFFECT ECONOMICALLY.
THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY.

I'M VERY MUCH FOR WHAT MR. BILL STATED.
11:21:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER.
11:21:08AM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I FEEL LIKE I THREW A MONKEY WRENCH IN SOMETHING TODAY.
YOU KNOW WHAT?
WHEN I GOT UP HERE AND SPOKE ABOUT WHAT I SPOKE ABOUT THIS
MORNING, GUESS WHAT, I SAID IT ON MONDAY, TOO.
I SAID IT FOUR DAYS AGO.
THREE DAYS AGO.
WHATEVER.
AND EVERYBODY HAS MY PHONE NUMBER AND EVERYBODY COULD HAVE
PICKED UP THE PHONE AND CALLED ME AND SAID, OH, IF YOU'RE
WRONG, LET'S TALK ABOUT WHY YOU'RE WRONG.
PEOPLE WANT TO TELL ME I'M WRONG, ESPECIALLY BUDGET AND
FINANCE FOLKS.
THEY'LL TELL ME, OH, YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT THAT.
BUT WHEN I E-MAIL THEM AND MAKE PHONE CALLS TO THEM, THEY
NEVER WANT TO EXPLAIN ANYTHING TO ME.
I DON'T WANT TO BE WRONG.
BUT WHEN YOU IGNORE ME, I DON'T GO AWAY.
I JUST GET LOUDER.
I ACTUALLY DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA TODAY
BECAUSE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN PROBABLY TWO YEARS I HAVEN'T
READ THE ENTIRE AGENDA.

I HAD NO CLUE IT WAS ON THE AGENDA TODAY.
BUT HERE I AM WITH THE SAME PAPER WORK WE HAD ON MONDAY
TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING FOR A SECOND TIME.
WHEN EVERYBODY ON STAFF KNOWS FULL GOOD AND WELL I WAS HERE
COMPLAINING ABOUT IT ON MONDAY.
NOW IT'S RUSH, RUSH, RUSH, WHEN THEY COULD HAVE SPOKE TO ME
AND I WOULDN'T HAVE BROUGHT IT UP AGAIN.
I WOULD HAVE UNDERSTOOD BY TODAY.
NOW HERE WE ARE HAVING TO PUT THINGS OFF.
HAVING TO MAKE LEGAL DECISIONS BECAUSE NOBODY WANTED TO SAY,
HEY, THIS IS WHERE YOU ARE MIXED UP OR CONFUSED.
I'M JUST A CITIZEN.
BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AND THE NUMBERS DON'T ADD UP.
JUST LIKE COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID, IT'S NOT JUST VIK'S
DEPARTMENT THAT HAS TO HAVE ANSWERS TO THIS BECAUSE THE
MONEY TRULY LIES IN BUDGET AND FINANCE.
SO IF YOU DON'T TALK TO ME, I'M GOING TO KEEP ASKING THE
QUESTIONS THAT I ASK.
I APOLOGIZE IF THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAPPENED TO TAKE UP THE
RAMIFICATIONS OF THIS TODAY.
YOU KNOW WHAT?
THERE'S BEEN TWO DAYS THAT PEOPLE COULD HAVE PICKED UP THE
PHONE AND CALLED ME, HEY, POYNOR, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON.
THIS IS WHAT YOU GOT WRONG, WHAT YOU GOT RIGHT, THIS IS
WHERE WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE.

I WAS AT STORMWATER YESTERDAY.
JUST SAYING, FOR AN HOUR TALKING ABOUT STORMWATER, NOTHING
BUT STORMWATER.
STORMWATER IS IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE WE ARE OVERDEVELOPED
AND UNDER-STORMWATER ATTENDED.
WE HAVE PROBLEMS.
I'M SORRY THAT I'M MAKING LIFE HARD FOR THE ATTORNEYS, BUT
IF SOMEBODY HAD CALLED ME, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE HAVING THIS
CONVERSATION.
11:23:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR THESE ITEMS?
WE'LL HOLD THEM UNTIL AFTER LUNCH.
IS THAT FINE?
WE'LL HOLD THEM UNTIL AFTER LUNCH TO MAKE ANY DECISIONS.
ITEM NUMBER 81.
11:23:59AM >> JUSTIN VASKE.
11:24:01AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
IF YOU COULD PUT ON THE RECORD AMENDING
YOUR MOTION WHEN YOU CONTINUED THE PUBLIC HEARINGS TO THE
5th, TO --
11:24:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE NEVER VOTED --
11:24:10AM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
NEVER VOTED THAT.
SO STILL OPEN.
11:24:15AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO MOTION TO THAT EFFECT IN THE RECORD.
11:24:18AM >> JUSTIN VASKE, LEGAL DEPARTMENT HERE FOR ITEM 81.
WE ARE REQUESTING THE APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION TO ADOPT THE

NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT ROLL FOR NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT
WITHIN THE WESTSHORE BUSINESS DISTRICT OF THE CITY OF TAMPA
FOR THE PURPOSE OF PAYING FOR THE PROVISION OF CERTAIN
ENHANCED SERVICES AND IMPROVEMENTS IN THE SAID AREA DURING
THE FISCAL YEAR 2025, INCLUDING TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS,
MARKETING AND SECURITY SERVICES FOR SAID AREA.
THE UNIT OF MEASUREMENT OR THE ASSESSMENT AMOUNT HAS NOT
CHANGED.
ALSO, WE ARE SEEKING APPROVAL OF THE WESTSHORE SPECIAL
SERVICES AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE WESTSHORE
ALLIANCE REGARDING THE USE OF THE NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT
WITHIN THE AREA OF THE CITY KNOWN AS THE WESTSHORE SPECIAL
SERVICES DISTRICT FOR THE PROVISION OF CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS
AND SERVICES IN SAID AREA FOR 2025 FISCAL YEAR.
THERE ARE NO WRITTEN OBJECTIONS CONCERNING THE SPECIAL
ASSESSMENT.
AS A REMINDER, APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION THAT ADOPTS NON-AD
VALOREM ASSESSMENT ROLL MUST OCCUR DURING THE HEARING.
MICHAEL MARINO, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE WESTSHORE
ALLIANCE, IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM.
THANK YOU.
11:25:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY QUESTIONS?
MR. MARINO, COME ON UP.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.

11:25:33AM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
MICHAEL MARINO, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WESTSHORE ALLIANCE.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
AS MENTIONED, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE RATE.
BUT AS WE TALKED ABOUT IN OUR BRIEFINGS WITH YOU ALL, THIS
IS JUST AN ASSESSMENT ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES IN WESTSHORE.
IN THE LAST YEAR, THOSE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES VALUATION WENT
DOWN IN TOTAL ABOUT $70 MILLION.
SO ONE OF THE NEEDS FOR US GOING FORWARD IS A CHANGE TO
MIXED USE ZONING THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE MORE OF THE MIXED USE
TO OCCUR IN WESTSHORE.
SOMETHING YOU'LL SEE COMING UP HOPEFULLY LATER ON THIS YEAR.
WE'RE WORKING WITH CITY STAFF ON THIS, WORKING WITH PLANNING
COMMISSION STAFF ON THIS AS WELL.
OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE WESTSHORE A PREMIER MIXED USE DISTRICT.
YOU'LL ACTUALLY APPROVE SOMETHING EARLIER TODAY THAT ALLOWS
THE WESTSHORE ALLIANCE TO TAKE OVER THE MAINTENANCE OF THE
MEDIANS ON KENNEDY BOULEVARD.
SOMETHING ELSE COMING LATER ON THIS YEAR HOPEFULLY FOR
WESTSHORE BOULEVARD AS WELL.
SO THAT'S WORK THAT WE'RE DOING.
AGAIN, HAVING A MIXED USE ZONING BE IMPROVED FOR WESTSHORE
TO MAKE SURE THOSE VALUES INCREASE AND COME BACK IS
CRITICALLY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT

WITH THE WESTSHORE INTERCHANGE, THERE'S BEEN ABOUT HALF A
MILLION SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL OFFICE THAT'S BEEN LOST AS
A PART OF BUILDING THAT PROJECT.
IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WHATEVER DEVELOPMENT OCCURS GOING
FORWARD IS A MIXED USE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE MARKET
DEMANDS.
ANY QUESTIONS, HAPPY TO TAKE THEM.
THANK YOU.
11:26:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
DO YOU REMEMBER HOW LONG THIS HAS BEEN IN
PLACE?
11:26:59AM >> SINCE SEPTEMBER 2002.
22 YEARS.
11:27:04AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AND THEN THE $70 MILLION REDUCTION IN VALUE,
HOW MUCH HAS THAT HIT YOUR BUDGET?
11:27:13AM >> IT ENDS UP BEING LIKE IN TOTAL ABOUT $10,000 DIFFERENCE
BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE ASSESSMENT IS DONE.
IT'S REALLY A DRAG ON THE CITY.
THE RATE FOR WESTSHORE IS THIRTEEN TWO FIVE CENTS PER
THOUSAND.
BUT IT OBVIOUSLY HAS A MUCH LARGER IMPACT ON THE CITY AND
COUNTY'S BUDGET BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE LION'S SHARE OF THE
PROPERTY TAX IS GOING.
11:27:39AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TO MY COLLEAGUES, I'M HEARING, MAYBE YOU
HEARD THE SAME THING FROM BIG PROPERTY OWNERS, THE LAST FEW
YEARS WE'VE HAD AN INCREASE IN BUDGET AND THE BUDGETS HAVE

EXCEEDED EXPECTATIONS. WHAT THE BIG PROPERTY OWNERS ARE
TELLING ME NOW, THEY'LL GO BACK TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER
AND NEGOTIATE DOWN BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY COMPS OF
BUILDINGS WHERE THE PROPERTY VALUES HAVE GONE DOWN.
AND THIS IS IN OUR URBAN AREAS.
SO THIS COULD HAVE A BIG IMPACT ON CRA MONEY, FOR EXAMPLE,
BUT ALSO THE SPECIAL SERVICES DISTRICTS.
THIS NEXT YEAR COULD BE A MUCH BIGGER HIT, POTENTIALLY.
11:28:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYBODY ELSE?
IS THERE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 81?
THERE'S NOBODY REGISTERED.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA FOR THE FIRST RESOLUTION.
SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
11:28:33AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE THE SECOND RESOLUTION.
11:28:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO MOVE THE SECOND RESOLUTION BY
MIRANDA.
SECOND BY HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?

MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ITEM NUMBER 82, WE ARE AT 11:29.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THIS IS GOING TO TAKE, BUT WE DO WANT
TO STOP AT 12 BECAUSE WE DO HAVE 1:30 PUBLIC HEARINGS.
11:29:06AM >>ROSS SAMONS:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
PRESENTING FILE VAC-24-13.
THE APPLICANT IS WASTE MANAGEMENT INCORPORATED.
REPRESENTATIVES NAMES, HUDSON.
PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 1400 NORTH 35th STREET.
PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST TO VACATE A PORTION OF 4th
AVENUE LOCATED NORTH OF 3rd AVENUE, SOUTH OF CSX RAILROAD,
EAST OF 34th STREET AND WEST OF 35th STREET.
APPLICATION WAS FILED WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA ON APRIL 26,
2024.
APPLICANT REASON FOR APPLICATION, OWNER OF THE PROPERTY ON
BOTH SIDES OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY REQUEST TO BE VACATED.
THEY ARE PLANNING CONSTRUCTION NEW INDUSTRIAL BUILDING THAT
WILL BE BUILT ACROSS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY WAS CREATED BY SUBDIVISION PLAT AND CITY

ACQUISITION.
EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY IS APPROXIMATELY 19,500 SQUARE FEET.
THIS EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY IS A PROTECTED BRICK STREET.
PROPER NOTICE WAS FILED FOR THIS, AND IT'S TO BE -- IT'S
REQUIRED THAT THE PROTECTED BRICK STREET IS TO GO THROUGH
ONE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THAT PUBLIC HEARING WILL RUN IN
CONJUNCTION WITH THE VACATING AND PROPER NOTICE WAS FILED
PER SECTION 22-39 OF THE CODE.
HERE IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST.
YELLOW.
AND THE PROPERTY IN RED.
YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED VACATING HERE IN THE SUBDIVISION
PLAT.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IT WAS A PREVIOUS RAILROAD.
HERE IS AN IMAGE OF THE PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST.
THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS LOOKING EAST FROM NORTH 34th STREET.
HERE IS THE PROPOSED VACATING RIGHT-OF-WAY LOOKING WEST FROM
NORTH 35th STREET.
STAFF HAS NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS VACATING REQUEST.
EASEMENT RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED BY STORMWATER AND TECO.
TEMPORARY EASEMENT IS REQUIRED BY THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
SPECIAL CONDITIONS INCLUDE NATURAL RESOURCES AND THIS
COMPLIES WITH CHAPTER 27 IN REGARDS TO TREE PRESERVATION AND
SITE DESIGN FOR ANY IMPROVEMENTS PLACED ADJACENT TO TREES IN
A VACATED AREA.

NUMBER TWO, BRICK MUST BE CLEANED, RETURNED TO CITY OF TAMPA
MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
NUMBER THREE, WITHIN 12 MONTHS, APPLICANT SUBMIT UTILITY
SERVICE APPLICATION TO THE WATER DEPARTMENT FOR FULL
ABANDONMENT AND DISCONNECTION OF WATER FACILITIES AND
EXECUTE A RELEASE OF TEMPORARY EASEMENT WHICH WILL INCLUDE A
BILL OF SALE PROVISION, TRANSFERRING THE OWNERSHIP OF
CITY-OWNED WATER SERVICE FACILITIES LOCATED WITHIN THE
VACATED RIGHT-OF-WAY.
NUMBER FOUR, THE PETITIONER MUST BE ISSUED A PERMIT FROM
CITY FOR VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION OF A STRUCTURE ENCOMPASSING
THE VACATED RIGHT-OF-WAY WITHIN FIVE YEARS.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
11:32:42AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THIS IS CLOSING A COMPLETE STREET, AM I
CORRECT?
11:32:45AM >>ROSS SAMONS:
YES.
11:32:47AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE PROJECT, BUT I
DON'T VOTE TO CLOSE A STREET.
I HAVEN'T DONE IT IN THE PAST YEARS.
IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, GOT TO STICK WITH THAT.
NOT OPPOSED TO IT BUT I CAN'T VOTE BECAUSE YOU CLOSE ONE
STREET, YOU'LL HAVE TO CLOSE THEM ALL.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS PETITION.
I'M TALKING IN GENERAL.
11:33:06AM >>BILL CARLSON:
COULD YOU PUT THAT LAST SLIDE UP AGAIN?

SORRY.
I KNOW YOU JUST CHANGED IT.
JUST TO REITERATE ONE MORE TIME, NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE AN
ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRES PEOPLE TO, THE CITY OR OTHERS, TO
PROTECT THE BRICKS, AND THAT'S WHAT IS APPLYING HERE.
11:33:22AM >>ROSS SAMONS:
YEAH, IT HAS TO BE NOTIFIED ALONG WITH THE
VACATING NOTICE.
IT IS A BRICK STREET THAT IS BEING PROPOSED TO BE VACATED.
11:33:30AM >>BILL CARLSON:
FOLKS GET VERY CONCERNED ABOUT BRICKS BEING
PULLED UP.
WHAT WILL HAPPEN, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO SAVE ALL OF THEM BUT
SAVE AS MANY AS POSSIBLE, AS YOU SAY, PALLETIZE AND USE
SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY, MAYBE 7th AVENUE.
11:33:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
PETITIONER.
11:33:52AM >> TYLER HUDSON, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
I'M MINDFUL OF OUR POSITION BETWEEN THIS BODY AND LUNCH.
WE'LL TRY TO KEEP IT AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE.
WITH ME HERE THIS MORNING, MY COLLEAGUE ALEX SCHALER.
STANTEC IS HERE.
AND WASTE MANAGEMENT IS HERE.
HE WILL SPEAK TOWARDS THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.
A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS.
ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE TIME CONSTRAINTS OF THIS PRESENTATION.
PROBABLY A FAMILIAR SITE TO A LOT OF YOU.

MAYBE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
SOMETIME IT IS A FAMILIAR SIGHT AT THE END OF MY OWN
DRIVEWAY.
METAPHOR FOR THE GROWTH TAMPA HAS HAD.
COULD BE A METAPHOR FOR THE CONSUMPTION HABITS WE HAVE AS
AMERICANS.
WASN'T FILED IN SERVICE OF FIXING A GROWTH PROBLEM OR FIXING
CONSUMPTION PROBLEM, BUT IT WAS FILED IN SERVICE OF TRYING
TO REACT TO THAT RESPONSIBLY BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DO
RECYCLE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA IN THIS REGION AND WE HAVE AN
ACUTE LACK OF FACILITIES ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
I'LL TRY TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE ELEMENTS ROSS HIT ON
QUICKLY.
THE AREA IN YELLOW, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS NORTH OF ADAMO
DRIVE, EAST OF CROSSTOWN CONNECTOR.
BETWEEN 1910 AND 1915 WAS THE CITY OF GARY.
WASTE MANAGEMENT OWNS WHAT IS OUTLINED IN YELLOW.
FOURTH AVENUE PIECE IS CROSSHATCHED.
ON THE RIGHT YOU'LL SEE A FAIRLY LARGE BUILDING.
EVERY SINGLE GREEN BOX FOR RECYCLING IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
GOES THERE.
WHATEVER HAPPENS TODAY, I HIGHLY COMMEND THE TOUR THEY GIVE
TO ANYONE BECAUSE IT IS A TOUR THAT STUCK WITH ME WHEN YOU
SEE HOW IT IS ALL LAID OUT AND THE AMOUNT IT'S ABLE TO
ACCOMMODATE GIVEN ITS SIZE.

WHAT WASTE MANAGEMENT WANTS TO DO IS BUILD A STRUCTURE THAT
WOULD CROSS OVER FOURTH AVENUE ON THE OTHER SIDE TO PROCESS
WASTE -- RECYCLING FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, OTHER REGIONAL
GOVERNMENTS.
IT WOULD BE AVAILABLE POTENTIALLY SHOULD THE CITY EVER NEED
ADDITIONAL CAPACITY AS WELL.
I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY I THINK THIS IS A VERY
UNIQUE, QUOTE, STREET AND SOME LIMITING PRINCIPLES THAT I
THINK WOULD MAKE IT VERY HARD TO ARGUE THAT FROM SUPPORTING
THAT.
YOU HAVE TO CLOSE ALL STREETS IN THE FUTURE.
THIS WAS NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL 4th AVENUE.
THIS IS A 30-FOOT RAIL SPUR THAT HAS SINCE BEEN ABANDONED.
60 YEARS LATER, THE CITY ADDED A 20-FOOT STRIP TO TURN IT
INTO A STREET.
IT IS PART OF 4th AVENUE.
THIS PARTICULAR BLOCK BETWEEN 34th AND 35th STREET, AND
YOU ALL HAVE SEEN PLENTY OF PLATS OF YBOR CITY WHERE
STANDARD BLOCK.
THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A VERY UNUSUALLY LARGE LAND MASS,
ALWAYS.
THIS PLAT I BELIEVE MIGHT BE BEFORE THE 1900s.
THIS WAS NEVER AN ORIGINAL PORTION OF 4th AVENUE.
4th AVENUE STOPPED HERE ORIGINALLY AND IT WAS A RAIL SPUR.
AGAIN, THE CITY DID ADD LAND TO IT TILL YOU TURN IT INTO A

ROAD.
IT'S NOT IN ANY MEANINGFUL USE AT ALL NOW AND IMPEDES THE
CONSTRUCTION OF A REALLY IMPORTANT REGIONAL FACILITY.
ZONING MIGHT BE UNUSUAL FOR ME TO BE HERE ON ROAD VACATING
IN THE DAYTIME.
THAT'S BECAUSE THERE IS NO PD ZONING.
IMAGINE THAT.
THIS IS AN INDUSTRIAL USE IN THE ABSOLUTE SEA OF INDUSTRIAL
ZONING IN CITY OF TAMPA, NO REZONING REQUIRED.
THE LAND USE IN THIS ENTIRE AREA, IT'S REALLY ALL
INDUSTRIAL.
CURRENT USE OF THE SITE IS KIND OF LIKE A DUMPSTER
GRAVEYARD.
MORE RECYCLING BINS AND DUMPSTERS.
THAT IS THE LAND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE LAND WASTE
MANAGEMENT INTENDS TO BUILD A FACILITY THAT MIKE WILL TALK
ABOUT SHORTLY.
MIKE WILL TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE MORE.
I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THIS.
THIS ISN'T PLAN A OR PLAN B.
STANTEC AND MIKE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THIS.
THE GOAL WAS TO BUILD A FACILITY WITHIN THE EXISTING
FOOTPRINT OF THE LAND AREA.
IF YOU GO TO THE SITE THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE, THIS IS LIKE
AN ASSEMBLY LINE.

THERE IS A LINEARNESS TO THIS PROCESS WHERE MATERIAL GETS
DUMPED.
IT GOES UP.
CAN'T GO UP TOO STEEP A SLOPE.
GENTLE SLOPE.
SORTING AND GOES BACK DOWN.
THERE IS AN INHERENT LENGTH TO THIS PROCESS AND TO TAKE BEST
ADVANTAGE OF THE EFFICIENCIES IN MACHINERY THAT EXISTS TODAY
TO BE ABLE TO PASS THE SAVINGS ON TO THE END GOVERNMENTS AND
DOWN TO THE END USERS, THIS IS THE FACILITY THAT BEST
CAPTURES THOSE EFFICIENCIES.
IT DOES REQUIRE CROSSING OVER 4th AVENUE AND ON TO THE
PARCEL THAT THEY OWN BELOW.
REASONABLE QUESTION TO ALWAYS ASK, WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS
DOESN'T HAPPEN?
WHAT IF THIS GREAT RECYCLING FACILITY DOESN'T HAPPEN?
WE TALKED ABOUT THE REVERTER IN FIVE YEARS.
MORE IMPORTANTLY WITHIN A YEAR THESE GUYS HAVE TO MOVE VERY,
VERY QUICKLY TO ACCOMMODATE WATER RELOCATIONS.
THAT IS THE QUICKEST DEADLINE I'VE SEEN ON THESE SPECIAL
CONDITIONS.
TYPICALLY YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF YEARS.
SHORT AS 18 MONTHS.
A YEAR IS EXCEPTIONAL FAST.
THEY ARE OKAY WITH THAT BECAUSE THIS PROJECT HAS A GREAT

DEAL OF URGENCY BEHIND IT.
AS SOON AS WE ARE ABLE TO HOPEFULLY GET YOUR APPROVAL ON
THIS, THEY ARE GOING TO BE PICKING UP WORK RIGHT AWAY.
MIKE WALKED THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
EVERY ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER SUPPORTS THIS.
THEY HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THIS.
THEY DON'T USE THIS PORTION OF 4th AVENUE AT ALL.
I THINK THE NEXT SLIDE EVIDENCED THAT.
THIS IS THE MOST PRISTINE BRICK STREET THAT I'VE PROBABLY
SEEN.
THE FACT THAT THIS IS IN SUCH AN INDUSTRIAL AREA WHERE THE
PREDOMINANT MODE OF TRANSPORTATION IS A VERY HEAVY TRUCK,
LADEN WITH MATERIALS AND THE BRICKS LOOK LIKE THIS, SPEAKS
TO HOW LITTLE IT IS USED.
WE CERTAINLY ARE AWARE THE BRICKS AREN'T OURS.
WASTE MANAGEMENT WILL HAVE TO PICK THEM UP, PALLETIZE THEM.
A COMMENT ABOUT SOMETIMES THE BRICKS CAN'T BE USED.
I AM NOT A BRICK EXTRACTION EXPERT, BUT THESE BRICKS ARE IN
EXCELLENT SHAPE.
I THINK KNOWING WHAT THE CITY'S NEEDS ARE FOR BRICKS AROUND
THE CITY, I THINK THAT IS A VERY MUCH SECONDARY BENEFIT.
CERTAINLY NOT THE REASON FILING THIS IS TO FREE THE BRICKS,
BUT I THINK WHAT IS GOING ON 7th AVENUE THAT IS AN
ADDITIONAL BENEFIT THAT THE CITY SHOULD CONSIDER.
WITH THAT, I'LL ASK MIKE TO TALK MORE ABOUT WASTE MANAGEMENT

AND THE GOALS FOR THEIR SITE.
11:40:06AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MIKE DECLERCQ.
I'M THE RECYCLING OPERATIONS DIRECTOR FOR WM FOR THE STATE
OF FLORIDA.
I AM A HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY RESIDENT.
SO WITH THAT, I WILL SHOW THIS FIRST SLIDE.
THERE IS A LOT OF SMALL PRINT THERE.
WHAT I WILL HIGHLIGHT AND CERTAINLY WON'T READ THE WHOLE
SLIDE, AS A COMPANY, WE'RE INVESTING OVER A BILLION DOLLARS
OVER A FOUR-YEAR SPAN INTO RECYCLING INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND
THE COUNTRY.
WITH OVER 200 MILLION OF THAT HAPPENING IN FLORIDA ALONE.
WE'RE MOVING TO THINGS LIKE OPTICAL SORTERS, ROBOTICS,
INTELLIGENT SORTING, A.I., AS WITH EVERY INDUSTRY, THERE'S
BEEN TREMENDOUS ADVANCES WITHIN THE LAST FIVE YEARS ON
TECHNOLOGY, AND WE WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT TO MOVE
OUR FACILITIES INTO THE 21st CENTURY AND BUILD SOMETHING
THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR NOT ONLY TODAY BUT FOR 5, 10, 20
YEARS FROM NOW.
THE NEXT SLIDE KIND OF SPEAKS MORE TO THE INVESTMENT IN
FLORIDA.
WE'RE JUST THIS WEEK COMPLETING A PROJECT, MODERNIZATION
PROJECT IN COCOA AT A MID SIZE RECYCLING CENTER WE HAVE
THERE.

$18 MILLION PROJECT TO MODERNIZE THAT PLANT.
WE JUST THIS MONTH BROKE GROUND ON A BRAND-NEW FACILITY DOWN
IN BROWARD COUNTY IN PEMBROKE PINES.
THAT'S GOING TO BE ROUGHLY AN $80 MILLION PROJECT ON
PROPERTY WE OWN DOWN THERE.
THAT WILL OPEN EITHER DECEMBER 2025 OR JANUARY 2026 IN THAT
RANGE.
THIS PROJECT WOULD BE FINISHED PROBABLY IN MID 2027.
AND THE INVESTMENT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA ON OUR PROPERTY IN
EASTERN YBOR WOULD BE AROUND $80 MILLION AS WELL.
WHEN YOU LOOK, THIS SHOT HAS BEEN ON A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT
SLIDES, BUT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT GETS ASKED IS WHAT ARE
YOU GOING TO DO WITH YOUR CURRENT FACILITY IF YOU BUILD A
NEW ONE RIGHT NEXT DOOR?
WELL, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS WE CAN DO AND WE WOULD
ENGAGE THE SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY OF TAMPA TO
COME UP WITH THE BEST USE OF THAT.
SOME IDEAS OUT THERE ARE RECYCLING CENTER FOR CONSTRUCTION
DEMOLITION MATERIALS WHERE METALS AND AGGREGATE COULD BE
EXTRACTED WHEN WE TEAR DOWN BUILDINGS.
THAT OFTEN GOES TO THE LAND FILL IN TODAY'S WORLD, AND THAT
IS ONE IDEA.
THE CITY MAY ALSO HAVE A USE FOR A TRANSFER STATION.
RIGHT NOW, THE CURRENT USE OF OUR PROPERTY WHERE WE WANT TO
BUILD IS CONTAINER REPAIR AND STORAGE.

AND WE COULD MOVE THAT OPERATION IN THAT BUILDING AS WELL.
KIND OF AN OPEN-ENDED THING.
THIS FACILITY WILL ALLOW US TO BASICALLY PRODUCE TWICE AS
FAST AS WE ARE TODAY WITH NOW BECOMING ANTIQUATED EQUIPMENT.
WE OPENED THE RECYCLING TAMPA BAY SITE ALMOST 13 YEARS AGO,
AND NOW THE EQUIPMENT IS BECOMING OUTDATED AND WE WANT TO
MODERNIZE IT.
THIS NEXT SLIDE SHOWS THE VERY RAPID GROWTH IN WHAT THE CITY
OF TAMPA'S SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT ALL BY THEMSELVES HAS SENT
US.
EACH ONE OF THESE DATA POINTS IS A SIX-MONTH SNAPSHOT.
WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE ARE THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
THOSE ARE TONS THAT WERE DELIVERED TO OUR FACILITY BY THE
CITY OF TAMPA.
SO YOU COULD SEE IT -- RECENT SIX-MONTH PERIOD OF JANUARY
THROUGH JUNE OF THIS YEAR, WE ACTUALLY ECLIPSED THE
10,000-TON PLATEAU FOR THE FIRST TIME.
AND THAT'S A GOOD THING BECAUSE THAT MEANS MORE PEOPLE ARE
RECYCLING AND THE VOLUME IS GOING UP.
BUT ACROSS ALL OF FLORIDA, THE RECYCLING INFRASTRUCTURE HAS
NOT KEPT UP WITH THE RAPID POPULATION INCREASE.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM BY GETTING AHEAD OF
IT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S AVAILABLE TODAY, WE HAVE OUR CURRENT
FACILITY IN EASTERN YBOR.

THERE IS A COMPETITOR FACILITY OVER IN ST. PETERSBURG.
BUT WE'RE BOTH PRETTY WELL CAPPED OUT ON OUR VOLUME.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND THE CITY OF
TAMPA ARE GOING TO BE THREE YEARS FROM NOW, THE PROJECTION
IS ABOUT 91,000 TONS.
AND THEN YOU HAVE OTHER VOLUME IN THE AREA OF PINELLAS
COUNTY AND MANATEE COUNTY AND PASCO COUNTY THAT WHEN YOU
TOTAL IT ALL UP, IT'S CLOSE TO 200,000 TONS OF AVAILABLE
CAPACITY THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE TODAY.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD A FACILITY THAT WILL SERVE THE
TAMPA BAY REGION AND THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR YEARS TO COME.
THIS HAS BEEN SHOWN SEVERAL SLIDES.
WHAT I WANT TO FOCUS ON HERE IS THAT THIS SHORT STRETCH OF
4th AVENUE IS VERY LIGHTLY TRAVELED.
I KNOW IT BECAUSE I WALK IT MY LUNCH HOUR WHEN I'M AT THE
TAMPA PLANT.
THE ONLY ONES WHO REALLY USE IT ARE TRUCKS COMING INTO OUR
FACILITY, AND THEY STILL HAVE EASY ACCESS VIA 3rd AVENUE
AT THE SOUTH OR FROM 7th AVENUE TO THE NORTH OF THE
RAILROAD TRACKS.
THEY CAN STILL GET INTO OUR FACILITY WITHOUT ANY ISSUE.
AND WE WANT TO KEEP THE CAR TRAFFIC IN OUR FUTURE FACILITY
SEPARATE FROM THE TRUCK TRAFFIC FOR SAFETY REASONS, WHICH IS
WHY WE HAVE IT ON THAT SOUTHERN PARCEL WITH AN ENTRANCE, A
VERY SHORT STRETCH OF 35th STREET THAT STILL EXISTS AND

THE CARS WOULD ENTER THERE FOR TOURS FOR OUR EMPLOYEES,
ET CETERA.
I DID GO DOOR TO DOOR TO ALL THE NEIGHBORS.
VERY INDUSTRIAL AREA.
I MADE TWO SWINGS THROUGH.
I FIRST VISITED IN PERSON AND DESCRIBED WHAT WE WANTED TO DO
AND EXPLAIN TO THEM THAT THIS PROCESS WOULD BE NECESSARY.
I THEN FOLLOWED UP SIX WEEKS LATER WITH ASKING THEM, ARE YOU
WILLING TO SIGN THAT YOU'RE IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT?
AND EVERY ONE OF THEM SIGNED ON TO IT.
THERE WAS ONE VERBAL FROM A PROPERTY OWNER WHO IS
PARAPLEGIC.
I OFFERED TO GO TO HIS HOUSE TO SIGN.
HE DECLINED THAT, BUT HE DID SAY HE VERBALLY SUPPORTED IT.
I RUN IT PAST HIS REAL ESTATE ATTORNEY.
WE DO HAVE NEIGHBOR SUPPORT FOR IT.
THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES ARE A COUPLE OF ARCHITECTURAL
RENDERINGS OF WHAT WE WANT TO BUILD.
IT'S GOING TO BE AN ATTRACTIVE BUILDING.
IT WILL MEET ALL THE CITY'S EXPECTATIONS IN TERMS OF
AESTHETICS.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WOULD BE VERY PROUD OF
FOR MANY YEARS TO COME.
AND THE FINAL SLIDE THAT I HAVE, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT IN
ORDER TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC, INCLUDING SCHOOL GROUPS, CIVIC

GROUPS, ELECTED OFFICIALS, STAFF ON WHAT WE DO WITH THE
PLANS.
WE'RE VERY TRANSPARENT ABOUT THE PROCESS.
WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HOST TOURS UPON REQUEST.
IT WILL BE VERY INTERACTIVE VERSUS THE CURRENT BUILDING
WHICH HAS A SMALL EDUCATIONAL ROOM.
THIS ONE WILL BE VERY INTERACTIVE.
WE'LL HAVE A TRAVELING ROAD SHOW THAT DIGITALLY SHOWS OUR
PLANT TO SCHOOLS AS WELL AS HAVING SCHOOL GROUPS COME IN
WITH AN ELEVATED PLATFORM THAT PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY GO OUT
INTO THE PLANT IN A SAFE AREA AND OBSERVE THE WHOLE PROCESS
AT WORK.
THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND THE REASON WE NEED FOR THE
VACATION.
THE FINAL SLIDE IS SOME RECOGNITION THAT WE RECEIVED AS A
COMPANY WITH HIGH ETHICS STANDARDS, HIGH DIVERSITY
STANDARDS, AND THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING BUSINESS WITH THE CITY
OF TAMPA FOR A LONG TIME.
WE WANT TO FOSTER THAT RELATIONSHIP AND CARRY IT INTO THE
NEXT PHASE.
11:47:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
11:47:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SINCE WE HAVE THIS WHOLE PRESENTATION, I'M
GOING TO GO AHEAD AND JUST ASK.
THE PUBLIC IS CONCERNED WITH LESS ITEMS BEING ABLE TO BE
RECYCLED.

CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT THIS PLANT WILL DO FOR THAT?
11:48:07AM >> YEAH, I'M REALLY GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
IN THE PAST, ONE OF THE MOST PROBLEMATIC THINGS WE HAVE IS
FILM, WHICH WOULD BE LIKE YOUR BREAD WRAPPER, THAT SORT OF
FILM.
IT'S LONG BEEN THE BANE OF RECYCLING PROGRAMS BECAUSE IT
JAMS UP THE EQUIPMENT.
WE ENGINEERED OUR WAY AROUND THAT.
THIS PLANT, WE'RE PILOTING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH DOW CHEMICAL,
FILM EXTRACTION AND MARKETING THAT FILM AS A SEPARATE ITEM,
WHICH IS REALLY EXCITING, AND THIS PLANT WILL HAVE THAT FROM
DAY ONE.
POLYPROPYLENE IS SOMETHING LIKE A BUTTER DISH, THAT IS
SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN PROBLEMATIC IN THE PAST.
WE ARE RECYCLING IT IN TAMPA NOW, BUT IT IS A PRETTY MANUAL
PROCESS AND THE QUALITY SOMETIMES IS A BIT QUESTIONABLE.
BUT WITH THESE OPTICAL SCANNERS AVAILABLE NOW, THEY CAN SORT
UP TO TEN ITEMS A SECOND WITH GREAT ACCURACY SO THAT THE
TECHNOLOGY WASN'T THERE WHEN WE BUILT THIS FACILITY 13 YEARS
AGO.
THE LIST OF ITEMS IS EXPANDING.
THERE IS ANOTHER THING THAT'S CALLED THERMA FORMS.
IT'S IN THE BEGINNING STAGES OF AN ITEM OF A P.E.T. BOTTLE
LIKE YOUR WATER BOTTLE.
IT'S NOT QUITE THE SAME MATERIAL, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL

HAVE IN THIS PLANT TOO, THE ABILITY TO EXPAND OUR LIST.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US AND I KNOW IT IS WITH THE
RESIDENTS AS WELL.
11:49:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I'LL ASK BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THOSE ARE TECHNICAL TERMS.
BY BREAD BAG, YOU MEAN SIMILAR TO THE LIKE A PLASTIC GROCERY
BAG?
11:49:44AM >> YEAH.
11:49:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S THE STORY WE HEAR CONSTANTLY IS THE
PLASTIC GROCERY BAG.
11:49:49AM >> THAT IS AN ITEM IN THE PAST WE WOULD TELL PEOPLE, TAKE IT
TO A PUBLIX OR DROP-OFF SITE.
IT CAN BE RECYCLED, JUST NOT IN YOUR CURBSIDE PROGRAM.
WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT PART OF THE CURBSIDE PROGRAM.
IT GETS IN THERE ANYWAY.
RIGHT NOW OUR FOCUS IS EXTRACTING THOSE AND BAILING.
WE HAVE A DEDICATED BAILER JUST FOR THAT ITEM.
THAT BASICALLY VACUUMS IT OUT OF THE SYSTEM BECAUSE IT IS
VERY LIGHT.
THE WRAPPING THAT GOES AROUND A CASE OF WATER, THAT KIND OF
FILM, ALL OF THAT WOULD BE PART OF OUR FILM PROCESSING.
11:50:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I ASKED THAT.
EVEN THOUGH THIS IS NOT A HEARING ON THAT, SINCE YOU BROUGHT
IT UP, I THOUGHT THIS IS A GREAT TIME TO ASK.

11:50:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
NO.
MR. HUDSON, DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION.
11:50:38AM >> CONCLUDES PRESENTATION.
TALK A LITTLE BIT IN REBUTTAL.
11:50:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYBODY HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
YES, MA'AM.
COME ON UP.
11:50:54AM >> GOOD MORNING.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
THIS IS LIKE A WORKSHOP DAY.
I'M SO EXCITED.
I SUPPORT THIS.
LET ME TELL YOU WHY BECAUSE IT DOESN'T COST THE CITY A PENNY
FOR THEM TO EXPAND IT.
IT MAKES SENSE.
WE NEED TO HAVE MORE RECYCLING, NOT LESS.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE THE BURDEN OFF THE WASTE TO ENERGY PLANT.
IF WE HAVE TO GIVE UP A STREET AND THEY ARE SAYING THEY'LL
GIVE US THE BRICKS, WELL, WE NEED THE BRICKS ELSEWHERE, SO
WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THEM.
NOT ONLY WILL THIS VACATION LIKE NOT COST US ANY MONEY AS
CITIZENS OF TAMPA, BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT GOING TO HAVE TO

PAY FOR ADDITIONAL BRICKS SOMEPLACE ELSE.
OH, MY GOSH, THIS IS JUST CRAZY.
I SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
THANK YOU.
11:51:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I JUST GOT TO ASK A QUESTION.
I'M NOT AGAINST SAVING THE BRICKS.
IN FACT, I WAS ON THE ORIGINAL COUNCIL THAT SAVED THE
BRICKS.
WHAT I'M ASKING, THESE BRICKS ARE SHOWING, REFERENCE MADE TO
THE YBOR CITY BRICKS.
I DON'T BELIEVE THEY ARE THE SAME QUALITY AS YBOR CITY
BRICKS.
AM I CORRECT OR NOT?
11:51:57AM >> I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
11:52:00AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WEIGHT AND VOLUME, WEIGHT OF THE BRICK.
THE ONES IN YBOR CITY ALL HAVE A NAME ON TOP OF THE BRICK.
I SAW NO NAMES ON ANY OF THESE BRICKS.
11:52:08AM >> THESE DON'T HAVE THE STAMPS ON THEM.
I'M NOT SURE --
11:52:13AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NOTHING TO DO WITH THE HEARING.
JUST HEARING ABOUT THE BRICKS AND VARIATION OF BRICKS.
YBOR CITY WAS MENTIONED.
I'M SAYING I DON'T BELIEVE THEY ARE, BUT I'M NOT POSITIVE.
11:52:24AM >> I CAN TELL YOU FROM MY LUNCHTIME WALKS THAT A LOT OF THEM
DO HAVE A STAMP ON THEM.

11:52:29AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SOME OF THEM HAVE STAMPS.
11:52:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MIX OF AUGUSTA BLOCK AND ALL THE OTHERS.
THEY ARE VERY PRISTINE.
ANYBODY ELSE?
ANY REBUTTAL?
11:52:38AM >> TYLER HUDSON, FOR THE RECORD.
BRIEFLY, COUNCIL, I KNOW YOU HAVE LIVES OUTSIDE OF BEING
HERE AND YOU PROBABLY GET ASKED, HOME DEPOT, FOR EXAMPLE, I
HEARD YOU VOTED ON THIS OR VOTED ON THAT.
VERY IMPORTANT TO ME, ALEX, LAW FIRM, WE ARGUE WITH THE MOST
FACTS POSSIBLE AND TRY TO MAKE DECISIONS IN FAVOR OF THE
APPLICATIONS WE BRING YOU.
AS EASY AS POSSIBLE TO SUPPORT.
IN CONCLUSION, TO THE EXTENT THAT SOMEONE ASKS, WELL, START
CLOSING ROADS LEFT AND RIGHT, THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST
UNIQUE RIGHT-OF-WAY VACATING I BROUGHT BEFORE THE COUNCIL.
I WANT TO LEAVE YOU WITH A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT REALLY
EITHER OF THEM INDIVIDUALLY BUT IN THE AGGREGATE I THINK
MAKE IT VERY EASY TO VOTE YES IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
FIRST, THIS WAS NOT ORIGINALLY A STREET.
THIS WAS NOT ORIGINALLY 4th AVENUE AT ALL.
IT WAS A 30-FOOT RAIL SPUR THAT'S BEEN ABANDONED.
NO STAFF OBJECTION, NO PUBLIC OPPOSITION.
ALL NEIGHBORS SUPPORT.
I THINK -- THIS IS MORE OF A PUBLIC FACILITY THAN PERHAPS

SOMETHING THAT IS ONLY SELLING SOMETHING OR AN APARTMENT
BUILDING.
I THINK THE UNUSUALLY STRONG SAFEGUARDS HERE IS WHAT IS
UNUSUAL.
THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY GETS TAKEN AWAY AND TERMS INTO AN
APARTMENT IN TWO YEARS.
THEY HAVE TO START WORKING ON THIS IMMEDIATELY.
IT'S VERY HARD TO MOVE QUICKLY IN AN ENVIRONMENT LIKE THIS.
THE FACT THEY HAVE TO GET THE STUFF DONE IN A YEAR, THE
WATER RELOCATION, I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT.
FINALLY, WE HAVE A FORTUNE 200 COMPANY KNOCKING ON THE DOOR
TO MAKE A REALLY SIGNIFICANT ON THIS NINE FIGURE CAPITAL
INVESTMENT IN YOUR CITY.
SOMETHING WE SHOULD REALLY WELCOME AND NECESSARY TO DO THAT.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR PATIENCE.
11:54:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE I LEFT OFF.
WHO WISHES TO READ THIS?
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
11:54:24AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MOVE ITEM 82, FILE VAC-24-13, ORDINANCE
BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING,
CLOSING, DISCONTINUING AND ABANDONING A PORTION OF 4th
AVENUE RIGHT-OF-WAY LOCATED NORTH OF 3rd AVENUE, SOUTH OF
THE CSX RAILROAD, EAST OF 34th STREET AND WEST OF 35th
STREET, WITHIN THE PLAT OF EAST BAY PARK SECOND REVISION, A
SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY,
FLORIDA, AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 HEREOF, AND
APPROVING A REQUEST TO IMPACT CERTAIN VITRIFIED BRICK
STREETS LYING WITHIN SAID RIGHT-OF-WAY, BOTH SUBJECT TO
CERTAIN COVENANTS, CONDITIONS, AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE
PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND
PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS, PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS,
INTERPRETATIONS, AND REPEALING CONFLICTS; PROVIDING FOR
SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:55:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
SECOND.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:55:25AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:55:26AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
11:55:28AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:55:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
11:55:32AM >> CLENDENIN ABSENT.
11:55:33AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
11:55:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:55:36AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA VOTING NO AND

CLENDENIN BEING ABSENT.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON SEPTEMBER 19,
2024, AT 10:00 A.M. IN OLD CITY HALL, CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS,
315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA,
33602.
11:55:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BEFORE WE GO TO LUNCH, I'D LIKE TO
ANNOUNCE THAT ITEMS 3 AND 38 ARE GOING TO BE HELD FOR A TIME
CERTAIN AT 4:00, BECAUSE WE HAVE A 1:30 PUBLIC HEARING.
WE ALSO HAVE 77 AND 78 THAT WE NEED TO -- WE MIGHT AS WELL
TAKE THOSE UP AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, AT 4:00, AFTER THESE
ITEMS.
HAVING SAID THAT, WE ARE IN RECESS UNTIL 1:30.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
[LUNCH RECESS]
01:34:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GOOD AFTERNOON, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL
THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
01:34:23PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PRESENT.
01:34:25PM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
01:34:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
01:34:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
01:34:28PM >>CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
WE ARE GOING TO BRING UP BEFORE THE 1:30 P.M. HEARING THE 77,
78REAL QUICK THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING EARLIER.
YES, MA'AM.
01:34:37PM >>McLANE EVANS:
GOOD AFTERNOON, McLANE EVANS, ASSISTANT
CITY ATTORNEY.
PER THE REQUEST OF COUNCIL, I REVIEWED THE CASE LAW AND
STATUTE RELATED TO THE QUESTION OF POTENTIALLY CONTINUING
ITEMS 77 AND 78 ON THE NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENTS AND MY
RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THE MATTER
TODAY AND THEN TAKE UP ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUDGETARY
MATTERS IN THE SUBSEQUENT DAYS LEADING UP TO AND DURING THE
BUDGET HEARINGS.
IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON MY RECOMMENDATION, I
AM HAPPY TO GO INTO FURTHER DETAIL ON THE CASE LAW.
HOWEVER, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I'M TRYING TO MAKE IT
SHORT FOR YOU.
01:35:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS FROM
COUNCILMEMBERS?
MR. SHELBY?
NO?
01:35:25PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO, SIR.
01:35:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MOVE THE
RESOLUTION FOR 77?
01:35:30PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WILL MOVE 77.
01:35:32PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SECOND.
01:35:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
ALL RIGHT.
ITEM 78.
MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
01:35:42PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
01:35:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
IS THERE A SECOND?
01:35:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU NEED TO ADOPT BOTH RESOLUTIONS AND
CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
01:35:54PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I MOTION BEFORE -- COUNCILMAN CARLSON JUST
WALKED IN.
CLOSING PUBLIC HEARING ON 77 AND 78, DO YOU HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS?
01:36:04PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE CORRECTION THAT MR. MASSEY IS ASKING
FOR NUMBER 78 AS ONE ITEM.
TWO RESOLUTIONS.
SO BEFORE -- BEFORE YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU MOVE
THE SECOND RESOLUTION.
01:36:13PM >>LUIS VIERA:
OH, I AM SORRY.
MY BAD.
01:36:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING UNDER STATE LAW.
ALSO, MR. CHAIR, TECHNICALLY I AM NOT SURE THAT YOU -- THAT
YOU OPENED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS
ASSESSMENTS EARLIER THIS MORNING.
SO COULD WE MAKE SURE WE COVER THAT ALSO BEFORE YOU TAKE A
VOTE ON 78.
01:36:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ON 78, YOU SAID?
01:36:40PM >> RIGHT.
SO SERVICE IS 77.
01:36:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM
NUMBER 78?
01:36:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DON'T CLOSE.
OKAY.
WHERE ARE WE NOW?
THE FIRST RESOLUTION ON 77; IS THAT CORRECT, MR. MASSEY?
THEY HAVE ADOPTED THE --
01:37:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
77 HAS -- 78 IS --
01:37:07PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ONE RESOLUTION FOR 77.
CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON 77.
01:37:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
01:37:11PM >> FOR NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENTS CONDUCT THE VOTE WHILE THE
HEARINGS ARE OPEN.
WE CAN'T CLOSE THE HEARING UNTIL THE VOTE IS COMPLETED AND
THE MOTION -- AND THE RESOLUTION IS ADOPTED.
01:37:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE ARE AT 78.
WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WITH 78.
01:37:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THEY ARE SAYING DON'T CLOSE THE PUBLIC
HEARING ON 77 UNTIL WE DO 78, DID I HEAR THAT CORRECTLY?
01:37:41PM >> NO, SIR.
I WAS SPEAK FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL ITEM.
EACH ONE IS A SEPARATE HEARING.
SO WE STILL HAVE THE HEARING OPEN FOR 77.
WE VOTED ON IT.
01:37:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MADE A MOTION TO CLOSE.
01:37:52PM >> YOU MAY CLOSE 77.
BUT 78 MUST STAY OPEN.
01:37:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT IS FINE.
YOU ARE CORRECT, MR. VIERA.
A MOTION TO CLOSE NUMBER 77.
01:37:59PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I STUMBLED ON THAT.
SO DO I -- SO MOVED.
01:38:07PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
AND I SECONDED IT.
01:38:09PM >>BILL CARLSON:
77.
01:38:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE 77 BY
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
NOW WE ARE ON 78.
01:38:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT'S CORRECT.
01:38:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THEN IN THE PUBLIC -- WAIT, YES, SIR?
01:38:24PM >>VIK BHIDE:
YEAH, ITEM 78 IS FOR THE IMPROVEMENT
ASSESSMENT.
I WOULD LIKE TO -- SORRY, VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF THE
MOBILITY DEPARTMENT RELATED TO THE IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT.
THIS ASSESSMENT FUNDS OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
THIS IS WHAT HAS FUNDED HISTORICAL AND CURRENT PROJECTS,
WHICH ARE IN THE WORKS AS WE SPEAK.
THIS ASSESSMENT IS ALSO CORRELATED WITH THE QUARTERLY REPORT
THAT COUNCIL RECEIVES ON DIFFERENT STORMWATER PROJECT
IMPROVEMENTS.
AND IT IS TIED TO OUR ACTIVE BOND ISSUANCES AS WELL.
SO I JUST WANT TO PROVIDE COUNCIL WITH THAT BACK GROUND THAT
IS WHAT YOU ARE VOTING ON.
01:39:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:39:16PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS DURING THE BREAK
THAT NOTHING GOT RESOLVED IN THE LAST HOUR AND A HALF.
I AM GOING TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE FOR THIS.
THE FIRST ONE I MISSED BY ACCIDENT.
THE SECOND ONE I AM GOING TO VOTE FOR.
NOT BECAUSE I AM HAPPY WITH IT, BUT BECAUSE -- BECAUSE WE
CAN'T GO FORWARD WITHOUT IT.
BUT WE NEED TO HAVE NOT A PRESENTATION NOT FROM YOU BUT
FROM CFO AND OUR -- OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR TO -- TO GO
THROUGH THE NUMBERS AND REALLY EVALUATE.
THE ISSUE IS NOT THE BIG PICTURE WHAT IS BEING WORKED ON,
PART IS THE BALANCE WHAT IS BEING WORKED ON HOW VERSUS
STAFF.
AND THE OTHER THING IS ALL THE MONEY EFFICIENTLY BEING USED.
I CAN RECOMMEND -- I CAN MAKE THE MOTION UNDER NEW BUSINESS,
WE NEED SOME KIND OF ACCOUNTING, ANALYSIS OR PRESENTATION OF
THAT BEFORE THE BUDGET OR AT LEAST SHORTLY AFTER, SO WE CAN
SHOW THE PUBLIC WE ARE BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR MONEY.
OBVIOUSLY, WE NEED STORMWATER HELP BECAUSE OF THE PROBLEMS
WE ARE HAVING.
BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE SPENDING THE MONEY DIRECTLY
AND IF THEY ARE, HATS OFF TO EVERYBODY AND CHANGE LABELS AND
SOMETHING.
IF WE ARE NOT, WE NEED TO TWEAK AND MAKE SURE WE ARE FIXING
A PROBLEM.
THANK YOU.
01:40:43PM >>VIK BHIDE:
I THINK THE STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT WAS COVERED
AS ENTERPRISE FUND UNDER THE CIT AND WORKSHOP AND WHAT THE
BOND OCCURRENCES ARE.
AND ANY ADDITIONAL DETAILS THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE, WE WOULD
BE HAPPY TO PRESENT.
01:41:00PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I AM TALKING ABOUT GOING IN THE NEXT LEVEL
OF DETAIL.
PRESENTING BIG PROJECTS IS ONE THING.
LIKE ON PIPES, TENS OF HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF FEEDBACK AND
ALL THE FEEDBACK FROM THE CONTRACTOR COMMUNITY WE ARE PAYING
TOO MUCH.
SPEND TOO MUCH.
WE NEED HELP NEXT PLAINING THAT WE ARE SPENDING THIS MONEY
PRUDENTLY.
AND TO COME BACK AND SAY WE FOUND SOME WAY TO SHIFT AND --
THEN GOOD, WE ARE BEING GOOD CUSTODIANS OF THE PUBLIC'S
MONEY.
01:41:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYONE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM?
YES, MA'AM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
01:41:41PM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MISS CAPASKI TO SAY THESE ARE THE
NUMBERS.
THIS IS HOW THEY ADD UP BY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM OF PASSING
THIS TODAY.
I WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS.
THAT IS SUPPLY JOB.
I DON'T GET PAID TO BE HERE, BUT MY JOB TO ASK QUESTIONS.
MISS CAPASKI, THEY ASKED ME TO SHOW DOCUMENTS DURING
LUNCHTIME.
YOU TOY THIS IS IMPORTANT TO THIS.
01:42:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MOVE THE RESOLUTION FOR 78.
01:42:19PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SO MOVED.
01:42:20PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SECOND.
01:42:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING?
MOTION.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
OPPOSED?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:42:32PM >>VIK BHIDE:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
01:42:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE 1:30 PUBLIC HEARING.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN THE 1:30 PUBLIC HEARING.
01:42:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SO MOVED.
01:42:44PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SECOND.
01:42:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FOR NUMBER 84, REQUEST TO WITHDRAWAL.
CAN I GET A MOTION.
01:42:49PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SO MOVED.
01:42:50PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SECOND.
01:42:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ALL RIGHT, FOR 83, A QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEEDING.
I DON'T HAVE ANYONE REGISTERED ONLINE, IF YOU ARE GOING TO
BE SPEAKING ON 83 IN ANY CAPACITY, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE
YOUR RIGHT HAND, AND WE WILL SWEAR YOU IN.
EVEN IF BUT SIGNED THE SPEAKER WAIVER FORM AND PASSING IT
ON.
[SWEARING IN]
MR. SHELBY.
01:43:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
BEFORE WE BEGIN, A REMINDER THERE ARE SPEAKER WAIVER FORMS.
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
THE COUNCIL'S RULES, YOU CAN SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES OR SIGN
A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM, AND YOU WAIVE YOUR THREE MINUTES AND
ALLOW THE SPEAKER TO TAKE AN EXTRA MINUTE FOR YOU TO DO
THAT.
REQUIRES YOU TO FILL OUT THE FORM.
I HOPE YOU DID IT LEGIBLY AND YOU NEED TO BE PRESENT AND
ACKNOWLEDGE.
AND I WILL CALL YOUR NAME TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE HERE.
DON'T SIGN MORE THAN ONE WAIVER SPEAKER FORM.
I BELIEVE THERE HAVE BEEN EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS AND LIKE
THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN MADE AVAILABLE TO BE RECEIVED AND FILED
INTO THE RECORD AT THIS TIME.
01:44:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MISS SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ.
01:44:20PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
THANK YOU, SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
DEPARTMENT.
THIS HEARING IS A REVIEW HEARING FOR A PETITION FOR REVIEW
FOR VRB 23-70.
THE PETITIONERS IN THIS CASE ARE STEPHEN STANLEY AND MICHAEL
FRIDELLA.
THEY ARE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY
ON DAVIS BOULEVARD.
AND THE VRB APPLICANT WAS MR. MICHELINI, WHO IS REPRESENTED
BY BEN DACHEPALLI.
THE VARIANCE REQUEST -- FOUR REQUESTS.
THEY WERE ALL RELATED TO THE SETBACKS FOR THE EXISTING
BUILDING.
THE FIRST REQUEST WAS TO REDUCE THE EAST FRONT YARD SETBACK
FROM 45 FEET TO ONE FOOT.
THE SECOND WAS TO REDUCE THE WEST FRONT YARD SETBACK FROM 45
FEET TO ONE FOOT.
THE THIRD WAS TO REDUCE THE SOUTHWEST SIDE YARD SETBACK FROM
27 FEET TO ONE FOOT.
AND THEN FINALLY, THE FOURTH REQUEST, TO REDUCE SOUTH SIDE
YARD SETBACK FROM 27 FEET TO ONE FOOT.
THIS PROPERTY IS IN THE RM-24 ZONING DISTRICT.
AND THE TYPICAL SETBACKS FOR THAT ZONING DISTRICT FRONT YARD
OF 25 FEET.
SIDE YARD OF 7 FEET.
AND REAR OF 20 FEET.
BUT FOR EACH FOOT OF BUILDING HEIGHT ABOVE 35 FEET WITHIN
THIS DISTRICT, THE REQUIRED YARD SETBACK IS INCREASED BY ONE
FOOT.
THAT IS WHERE WE HAVE THE 45-FOOT DOWN TO THE ONE FOOT.
AND THAT IS THE REASON WHY WE HAVE THE NUMBERS FOR THE
SETBACKS IN THE REQUEST.
THE VRB HELD A HEARING ON MAY 14, 2024 FOR THIS APPLICATION.
AND VOTED TO APPROVE THE REQUEST 5-0.
I PROVIDED CITY COUNCIL WITH HEARING PROCEDURES.
PROPOSED HEARING PROCEDURES THAT BOTH PARTIES HAVE AGREED TO
FOR THIS HEARING, PROVIDING IN A PACKET TO COUNCIL.
I ALSO PROVIDED COUNCIL WITH CODE SECTIONS 27-61-J-2 WHICH
ARE THE PROCEDURES FOR COUNCIL'S REVIEW OF A BOARD'S
DECISION.
AND I PROVIDED THE ENTIRE -- ENTIRETY OF 27-61, BUT J-2
CRIMINALS STARTS AT PAGE 6 AND THEN 7.
AND WILL GIVE YOU A RUNDOWN OF THE -- OF THE HEARING
PROCESS.
I ALSO PROVIDED COUNCIL WITH CODE SECTION 27-80, WHICH IS
APPLICATION OF THE VARIANCE POWER.
FIVE DIFFERENT CRY TERESA THAT THE VRB IS REQUIRED TO
CONSIDER IN REVIEWING A VARIANCE APPLICATION.
FINALLY, CHAPTER 27, ARTICLE 7, THE ENTIRE EXCEPTION OF
NONCONFORMITIES WITHIN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND
PROVIDED COUNCIL WITH SAMPLE MOTIONS FOR YOUR USE AT THE
CONCLUSION OF PUBLIC HEARING.
IF -- I MAY BE ALLOWED TO AFTER YOU HAVE HEARD THE EVIDENCE
AND I CAN OUTLINE COUNCIL'S DIFFERENT OPTIONS ONCE YOU HEARD
ALL THE EVIDENCE.
STANDARD OF REVIEW UNDER SECTION 27-61-J-2 IS DE NOVO.
THAT MEANS THAT THE BOARD OR COUNCIL IS NOT LIMITED IN ITS
REVIEW TO INFORMATION, DOCUMENTATION OR EVIDENCE THAT
THE VRB BASED ITS DETERMINATION ON.
CITY COUNCIL MUST FOLLOW THE APPLICABLE ORDINANCE.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE ONES I PROVIDED NEW MAKING A DECISION
AND COUNCIL MAY HEAR NEW EVIDENCE.
STAFF PRESENT IS STEVEN EYSTER, THE VRB COORDINATOR
PROVIDING THE HISTORY OF THE CASE.
WE HAVE PRESENT, DAVE JENNINGS, THE CITY FLOOD PLAIN MANAGER
AND DENNIS FERNANDEZ, HISTORIC PRESERVATION MANAGER FOR THE
CITY.
THEY ARE AVAILABLE IF COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS IN
THE COURSE OF THE HEARING.
AT THIS TIME, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MR. EYSTER AND HE WILL
PRESENT THE PROCEDURE HISTORY.
01:48:10PM >>STEVEN EYSTER:
GOOD AFTERNOON.
STEVEN EYSTER, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
SO AS SUSAN STATED, A PETITION FOR REVIEW FOR VRB 23-70, 16
DAVIS BOULEVARD.
THIS IS THE OWNERSHIP INFORMATION.
THE OWNER IS CLP 16 DAVIS LCC.
APPLICANT IS STEVE MICHELINI.
PROPERTY ADDRESS 16 DAVIS BOULEVARD.
ZONING IS RM-24.
AND THEN THE REQUEST WHAT SUSAN STATED BEFORE TO REDUCE THE
EAST FRONT SETBACK FROM 45 TO ONE FOOT.
REDUCE WEST SIDE FRONT YARD SETBACK FROM 45 FEET TO ONE FOOT
WEST SIDE SETBACK 27 TO ONE FOOT AND SIDE SETBACK FROM 27 TO
ONE FOOT.
THIS WAS DETERMINATION MADE BY THE BOARD ON MAY 14.
AND APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS.
5-0.
THESE WERE THE CONDITIONS OUTLINED TO THE BOARD.
LIMITED TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, THE STRUCTURE LISTED ON
THE NATIONAL REGISTRY OF HISTORIC PLACES.
MULTIPLE PROPERTY REFERENCE NUMBER 64500118.
IN THE EVENT THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IS DAMAGED OR DESTROYED,
ANY REPAIRS OR REDEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY WILL BE LIMITED
BY THE PROVISIONS GOVERNING NONCONFORMING STRUCTURES AND
USES SET FORTH IN THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND IN
EFFECT AT THAT TIME.
IN THE EVENT THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IS DAMAGE OAR DESTROYED
GOVERNING NONCONFORMING STRUCTURES AND NONCONFORMING USE AS
SET FORTH IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT THE STATE AGENCY
APPROVES THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE STRUCTURE TO THE EXACT
SAME PHYSICAL STANDARDS AS -- AS -- BY THE PLANS ATTACHED,
THE VARIANCE SHALL TERMINATE AND BE AND VOID AND ANY
DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT SHOULD COMPLY WITH THE CITY OF
TAMPA REGULATIONS IN EFFECT AT THAT TIME.
THIS IS A MAP OF THE SITE.
A LOT CLEARER WHEN IT IS IN COLOR.
BUT IT IS THIS TRIANGULAR PROPERTY RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS THE CURRENT VIEW OF THE SITE.
YOU CAN SEE A HORSE =SHOE STRUCTURE WITH A COURTYARD IN THE
CENTER AND LARGE AREA.
A SIDE PHOTO OF THE SITE.
HERE IS THE ADDITIONAL FRONT PHOTO TO SHOW THE ADDITIONAL
STEPS OF THE COURTYARD.
THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL SIDE VIEW SHOWING THE TWO TREES HERE
AND HERE.
AND THEN HERE IS THE LAST SITE THAT YOU HAVE NOT SEEN YET,
AND THEN AN EMPTY -- AN EMPTY LOT HERE.
THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE WITH CONDITIONS AND THE LARGE
COURTYARD WITH THE AGENDA.
THE ENTIRE BUILDING IS BEING ELEVATED.
THERE IS A PARKING STRUCTURE UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING.
SO IS THE COURTYARD AND EVERYTHING IS ELEVATED ON TOP OF
THAT PARKING STRUCTURE WITH THE ADDITIONAL STEPS HERE.
YOU CAN SEE THERE IS -- INSTEAD OF JUST THREE OR FOUR STEPS,
THERE IS NOW ABOUT A DOZEN.
THIS IS THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION AND SITE CALCULATIONS FOR THE
SITE.
GENERAL INFORMATION.
THIS IS THE GROUND FIRST-FLOOR PLAN SHOWING THE PARKING.
HERE IS THE -- THE SECOND FLOOR.
WHICH STAYS IN A SIMILAR CONFIGURATION.
THIS IS THE THIRD LEVEL.
YOU CAN SEE THERE IS AN ADDITION TO THE FRONT HERE WHERE I
BELIEVE THERE IS AN ELEVATOR SHAFT.
THIS IS THE THIRD THE FOURTH.
AND THEN FINALLY THE FIFTH.
HERE IS SIDE-BY-SIDE COMPARISON OF THE SITE.
THIS IS THE SITE AS IT EXISTS TODAY.
THIS IS THE SITE AFTER THE PARKING GARAGE IS PUT IN
UNDERNEATH IT.
HERE IS KIND OF THE EXPANDED VIEW TO SEE A LITTLE CLEARER.
AND HERE IS THE PROPOSED ELEVATION.
SO YOU GUYS CAN SEE IT.
WE HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMENTS.
SO ALL PARTIES FOUND THE PROPOSED PROJECT CONSISTENT WITH
CONDITIONS OR NO CONDITIONS.
FOUND CONSISTENT.
AND LET YOU READ THROUGH SOME OF THE COMMENTS BECAUSE SOME
OF THEM ARE LENGTHY.
ARC AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
IF YOU NEED ANY FURTHER INFORMATION, LIKE SUSAN SAID, DENNIS
IS AVAILABLE.
APPROVED IT WITH CONDITIONS.
REQUIREMENTS OF THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE.
CONSTRUCTION SERVICES, FEMA COMMENT.
ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO ELEVATE ABOVE IS NOT IN DIRECT BENEFIT
TO THE CITY OR CSS RATING.
NATURAL RESOURCES HAD IT CONSISTENT WITH CONDITIONS.
ANT COMMENT WAS TO ADDRESS THE TREES IN THE CENTER OF THE
COURTYARD.
AND AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION, THEY WILL HAVE TO VERIFY
HOW THEY MITIGATE THE TREES NOW.
AND RIGHT-OF-WAY IS CONSISTENT WITH CONDITIONS.
TECO FOUND IT CONSISTENT WITH CONDITIONS.
AND TRANSPORTATION ALSO FOUND IT CONSISTENT WITH CONDITIONS.
STORMWATER CONSISTENT.
WATER AND WASTEWATER BOTH CONSISTENT WITH CONDITIONS.
HERE IS THE STANDARD FOR THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
AS YOU GUYS KNOW, THE VARIANCES ARE BASED OFF OF HARDSHIP.
AND THAT IS THE CRITERIA THAT SUSAN PROVIDED FOR YOU AS
WELL.
AND WE WILL BE AVAILABLE NOR ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.
01:55:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
01:55:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
CAN YOU JUST PUT THAT ELEVATION MAP UP AGAIN, THE ONE THAT
SHOWS BOTH.
I DON'T SEE THE DIFFERENCE HERE.
AND THEY ARE HERE FOR AT THAT SETBACK WAIVERS FROM 45 TO 1.
01:56:09PM >>STEVEN EYSTER:
THE BUILDING CURRENTLY EXPANDS -- THE
APPLICANT MAY BE -- BECAUSE THEY ARE CHANGE WHAT IS EXISTING
-- BECAUSE IT IS A -- THEY WENT THROUGH A FORMAL DECISION TO
VEST THE PROPERTY AS IT IS CURRENTLY.
THEN CHANGING THE BOTTOM BASE HERE, THEY NEED TO ASK FOR THE
SETBACK REDUCTION.
01:56:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I SEE.
IT ALREADY IS A VESTED STRUCTURE CURRENTLY, BUT TO BUILD
SOMETHING UNDER IT, THEY WILL NEED TO GET THE VARIANCE TO
MATCH THE CURRENT VESTING.
01:56:42PM >>STEVEN EYSTER:
CORRECT.
01:56:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY ELSE?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION?
THAT CONCLUDES THE STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
WE WILL GO WITH PRESENTATION OF MR. STEPHEN STANLEY AND
MICHAEL FRIDELLA.
AND YOU HAVE BOTH BEEN SWORN IN.
SO GO AHEAD.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, SIR.
01:57:01PM >> MY NAME IS STEVEN STANLEY, I AM AN ATTORNEY.
I LIVE AT --
01:57:06PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
STORY, MR. STANLEY, MARTIN SHELBY.
JUST A QUESTION.
BOTH YOU AND MR. FRIDELLA ARE PETITIONERS.
WILL YOU BE PRESENTING THIS TOGETHER?
01:57:17PM >> I AM PRESENTING FIVE MINUTES, AND MY PLANNER, SUSAN
SWIFT, WILL DO TEN MINUTES.
01:57:22PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT WILL ALSO INCLUDE MR. FRIDELLA'S
OPPORTUNITY?
HE IS INCLUDED IN THIS?
01:57:28PM >> YES.
HE CAN SPEAK AS A RESIDENT NOT AS A PETITIONER.
01:57:32PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS HE A PETITIONER?
01:57:37PM >> HE IS A PETITIONER.
01:57:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS HE WITHIN THE NOTICED AREA?
01:57:43PM >> YES.
01:57:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IS HE ALLOWED TO BE PART OF GENERAL
PUBLIC COMMENT.
01:57:48PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
GENERALLY, IF HE IS A PETITIONER, THE
ANSWER WOULD BE ULTIMATELY NO, HE WOULDN'T BE.
UNLESS THERE IS NO OBJECTION AND COUNCIL WISHES TO WAIVE IT.
YOU ARE SAYING HE WOULD TAKE ANOTHER ADDITIONAL THREE
MINUTES?
01:58:03PM >> YES.
01:58:04PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WE WILL TAKE THAT UP AS THE TIME COMES.
THEN THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT TO INCLUDE HIM WITHIN YOU
ARE IN 15 MINUTES OR -- IS HE HERE, MR. FRIDELLA?
01:58:16PM >> I AM.
01:58:16PM >> WE WILL GO AS PLANNED.
HE IS NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK AS A RESIDENT.
01:58:24PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU CAN -- IF YOU FEEL A NEED FOR EXTRA
TIME FOR HIM, YOU CAN REQUEST EXTRA TIME.
BUT THE FACT HE IS A PETITIONER AND HE IS PARTICIPATING AS
SUCH.
01:58:31PM >> WE WILL SEE ABOUT REQUESTING EXTRA TIME WHEN WE ARE
FINISHED.
01:58:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OKAY, THANK YOU.
01:58:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
01:58:41PM >> STEPHEN STANLEY, AND I AM AN ATTORNEY DIRECTLY ACROSS THE
STREET FROM 16 DAVIS BOULEVARD.
FOUR TOWN HOUSE, NOT THE CONDOMINIUMS ACROSS FROM 16 DAVIS.
THE CONDOMINIUMS ARE ON THE CORNER.
TO START THE PRESENTATION, I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK WITH SOME
PICTURES.
THESE PICTURES FROM DECEMBER OF 2019.
THIS SHOWS THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
AND I WANT YOU TO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT -- THAT WITH THE
CIRCLE.
MISS HURTAK BROUGHT UP A POINT.
IS IT THE SAME FOOTPRINT?
NO, IT'S NOT.
FIRST OF ALL, THE -- THE WHOLE CENTER COURTYARD IS GOING
AWAY.
IT HAS BECOME A GARAGE, INSTEAD OF A HORSESHOE WITH GROUND,
DIRT, TREES AND PLANTS, IT IS CONCRETE.
CAN THEY PUT ARTIFICIAL TURF ON TOP OF IT, MAYBE.
I DON'T THINK THEY WILL BE ABLE TO PLANT TREES AND GRASS AND
FOR THE NMBC CIRCULAR BUILDING WHERE THEY TRIED TO PUT THE
GRASS OVER THE CONCRETE GARAGE THERE AND IT NEVER WORKED.
IT IS NOT GOING TO PERCOLATE.
GOING TO BE DIRT OR GROUND.
IT IS GOING TO BE CONCRETE.
THE OTHER EXPANSION IS -- AND THE GENTLEMAN SHOWED YOU --
AND THERE IS PLANS -- THERE ARE -- I HAVE COPIES OF THESE
FOR COUNCIL IF YOU WOULD LIKE THEM, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF
THE PICTURE OR THESE DRAWINGS WILL COME OUT AS GOOD.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE THEM.
02:00:21PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
CAN YOU PUT THEM ON THE OVERHEAD.
02:00:26PM >> YES.
I CAN DO THAT.
02:00:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OKAY.
02:00:30PM >> SO IF YOU LOOK CAREFULLY -- IT CAME OUT BETTER THAN I
THOUGHT.
IF YOU LOOK CAREFULLY, THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS EXISTING.
I WANT TO YOU LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE LINES AND
NOW IT COMES ALL THE WAY OUT TO ENCROACHING INTO WHAT IS THE
CIRCLE, THE BUILDING.
IT IS BEYOND THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT.
EVEN THOUGH IT IS HARD TO SEE UNLESS YOU ARE STARTING TO
LOOK FOR THIS.
BECAUSE SLICK PRESENTATION, SLICK PLAN.
IF BUT LOOK AT -- THIS IS -- THIS IS THE EXISTING.
THIS IS THE EXISTING.
SO IF YOU NOTICE, YOU DON'T SEE ANY EXPANSION.
BUT IF BUT LOOK AT THE NEW PLAN, THE EXPANSION.
LOOK AT THE DARK AREAS IN THE FRONT.
THAT IS EXPANSION.
AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER AREAS ON THE BOTTOM.
LOOKS LIKE A "L."
EXPANSION.
THIS IS AN EXPANSION BEYOND THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT.
THIS IS AN EXPANSION ENCROACHING.
OUTSIDE THERE IS NO SITE.
IT IS TAKING AWAY THE ORIGINAL CENTER OF THE SITE WHICH WAS
DIRT, AND THE BUILDING HAS NOW EXPANDED INTO WHAT IS A DIRT
COURTYARD WITH THE BEAUTIFUL OAK TREES.
WITH A ONE-FOOT SETBACK, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY PLANT OAK
TREES.
THERE IS NO ROOM.
WE NEED KEEP THAT IN MIND AND COUNCIL EXPLAINED TO YOU THAT
ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE LOOKING AT IS THE FIVE CRITERIA.
I ALSO WANT TO YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT IS BUILDING LOOKS LIKE
NOW AND WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR THAT THEY WANTON RAISE
THE GARAGE TO PROTECT THIS BUILDING, BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T
RAISE THE BUILDING EIGHT FEET, PROTECT IT AND IT WILL
DETERIORATE.
THEY ARE NOT PROTECTING IT NOW.
THERE IS ONE PICTURE.
I WILL SHOW YOU THIS PICTURE.
AND LOOK CLOSELY.
IT IS NOT JUST THE DOOR.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STUCCO DOWN AT THE BOTTOM.
NOW I COMPLAINED OF THE DOOR AND HE DIDN'T REPLACE THE DOOR.
THEY ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO MAINTAIN THIS AND BROUGHT IN
2022.
NOT THE FACT THAT IT IS ON THE GROUND.
IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH DAVIS ISLAND AT ALL.
HISTORICAL FAMILY BUILDINGS THAT AREN'T ON TOP OF THE
PARKING GARAGE HERE AT GROUND LEVEL.
MY MOTHER-IN-LAW IS IN HUDSON MANNER.
USED TO BE THE ISLANDS CLUB.
BEFORE THAT A MULTIFAMILY AND ON THE GROUND.
NO UNDERGROUND PARKING GARAGES ON DAVIS ISLAND.
WE REALLY NEED TO GET TO THE POINT.
THE POINT IS, IN ORDER TO GET THE VARIANCE THE DEVELOPER,
THE APPLICANT MUST DEMONSTRATE A HARDSHIP.
MOST DEMONSTRATE A HARDSHIP FOR PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY AND
CANNOT BE ONE THAT IS SELF-CREATED.
SO THEY WILL WANT TO RAISE THE BUILDING.
AT FIRST, THEY TOLD US THAT FEMA IS REQUIRING IT.
WE HAVE TO DO THIS.
NO, NO REQUIREMENT FROM FEMA.
NONE IN THE EVIDENCE AND WILL NOT BE IN THE EVIDENCE.
THEY WANT TO RAISE THE BUILDING TO BUILD A PARKING GARAGE
UNDER IT.
YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER IF THEY ARE ABLE TO DO THIS, CONCRETE
PARKING GARAGE IN THE GROUND COMPLETELY COVERING THE SITE
WITHIN ONE FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINES WITH THE BUILDING ON
TOP IN IT MAKES IT.
SO NOW WE HAVE A COMPUTATION IF THE BUILDING COMES DOWN,
WHAT IS THE COMPUTATION?
60% OR 70% OR 75% OF WHAT.
THE ORIGINAL BUILDING?
OR FACTOR IN A PARKING GARAGE.
THEY WILL HAVE THAT PARKING GARAGE IN THE GROUND FOREVER.
THEY WILL NEVER HAVE TO TEAR IT DOWN.
THEY WILL TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING ON TOP OR IF IT GETS TORN
DOWN, THE NEW PARKING GARAGE IN THE BOTTOM THAT BUILT
SOMETHING NEW ON TOP OF IT.
MAYBE THE SAME DESIGN, I DON'T KNOW.
YOU NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
WE LOOKED AT A PRESENTATION.
AND SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ GAVE THE PRESENTATION AT THE VRB WORKSHOP.
AND THE EXAMPLE SHE USED FOR THIS HARDSHIP, IF SOMEBODY BUYS
A HOUSE WITHOUT A GARAGE, YOU CAN'T COME AND GET A VARIANCE
TO BUILD A GARAGE.
YOU SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT A HOUSE WITH A GARAGE OR SHOULD HAVE
BROUGHT A HOUSE WITH ENOUGH LAND TO BUILD A GARAGE.
YOU CAN'T BUY A HOUSE AND SAY I HAVE A HARDSHIP.
I NEED A GARAGE.
THEY BROUGHT THE PROPERTY WITHOUT A GARAGE AND NOW THEY WANT
TO BUILD THE GARAGE.
RAISE IT TO PROTECT IT.
NONE OF THE OTHER THINGS.
ULTIMATELY THEY WILL RAISE THE BUILDING, BUILD THE GARAGE
AND CONVERT THOSE INTO 22 LUXURY CONDOMINIUMS THE GARAGE
UNDERNEATH THEM.
SO YOU NEED TO KEEP IN MIND WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON WITH
THIS CASE.
ONCE YOU CAN'T FIND THE HARDSHIP, PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY, GAME
IS OVER WITH THE VARIANCE.
SHOULD HAVE BEEN OVER RIGHT THEN.
CAN'T GO ANY FURTHER.
BUT THEY DID.
CAN'T BE SELF-IMPOSED.
IT WAS.
SO NOW WHAT IS IT GOING TO DO FOR THE CHARACTER OF THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE THIRD CRITERIA BY ALLOWING A 22-CAR PARKING GARAGE.
WE ARE NOT REALLY SURE, BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TO DO A
ROBOTIC PARKING GARAGE ON THE VACANT PROPERTY NEXT DOOR WITH
THE DESIGN EXCEPTION AND DIDN'T GO THROUGH IT.
I DON'T KNOW 22, 40, HOW MANY CARS, BUT YOU ARE BRINGING IN
22 MORE VEHICLE TRIPS TO THE INTERSECTION OF DAVIS BOULEVARD
AND ADALIA.
WHERE IS THAT?
RIGHT WHEN YOU COME ACROSS THE BRIDGE AT THE BASE OF THE
BRIDGE FROM DAVIS GOING OUT A BUSY INTERSECTION THEY WANT TO
INCREASE IT AND THE TRIPS THEM GENERATE.
TAKE AWAY THE COURTYARD, GRASS AND DIRT THAT PERCOLATES INTO
THE GROUND.
KEEP IN MIND THIS BUILDING IS UP ALREADY.
IT HAS A CRAWL SPACE UNDER IT.
NOT UNDER THE COURTYARD BECAUSE IT IS DIRT.
RAIN, STORMS GO INTO THE COURTYARD INTO THE GROUND AND
PERCOLATE THROUGH THE GROUND AND OUT.
NOW ARE WE ARE GOING TO ELIMINATE THE COURTYARD AND WE WILL
HAVE CONCRETE.
NOW WE HAVE RAIN WATER RIGHT INTO THE STREETS THE ADALIA AND
DAVIS.
NO PLAN -- NO MENTION IN THEIR PLAN OF COLLECTING THE
ADDITIONAL STORMWATER RUNOFF THIS IS GOING TO CREATE A
VARIANCE IN HARMONY.
CONTRADICTORY TO THE PLAN.
YOU CAN'T EXPAND A NONCONFORMING USE.
I AM SURE YOU GOT THE CODE THERE.
27-297-1-B AND 297.298.
YOU CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE THE CODE RESTRICT THE POWER OF
THE VRB TO EXPAND OR EXTEND A NONCONFORMING PROPERTY.
RIGHT WITHIN YOU ARE IN MUNI CODE.
ELIMINATING THAT COURTYARD AND EXPANDING THE GARAGE INTO THE
-- OUTSIDE THE BUILDING LINES IS AN EXPANSION I DON'T KNOW
IF YOU HAVE BEEN TO ADALIA, BUT FAMILIES THAT LIVE
ON ADALIA.
FAMILIES -- WE HAVE A TOWN.
HOUSE AND YOU HAVE KIDS.
THEY PLAY OUT THERE.
PETS.
THEY ARE RUNNING OUT THERE.
ALL OF A SUDDEN WE ARE GOING TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF
VEHICLES COMING INTO THAT STREET BY AT LEAST 22 OR 40.
AND THE TRIPS.
SO IS THIS HELPING THE NEIGHBORHOOD?
NO.
WHAT ABOUT THE STORMWATER RUNOFF.
ONE OF THE RESIDENTS SAY A MAN HOLE AND GETS BLOCKED UP AND
THE WATER DOESN'T DRAIN AND IT FLOODS.
THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD THIS BUILDING RIGHT UP TO IT AND
INCREASE THE RUNOFF.
SO, YOU KNOW, I AM SURPRISED THIS THING GOT BY THE VRB.
I MEAN, I SAW THE VIDEO OF THEIR ATTORNEY TELLING THEM ABOUT
THE GARAGE STORY WITH THE HOUSE I DON'T GET IT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW IT GOT OUT OF THERE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY APPROVED IT.
FIRST THING IS, THEY COULDN'T BE APPROVED BECAUSE WASN'T A
HARDSHIP THAT WASN'T SELF-INFLICTED.
I AM SAVING THE REST OF MY TIME FOR SUSAN SWIFT.
02:10:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONE.
02:10:18PM >> I AM SORRY?
02:10:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO, THE CELL PHONE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
HOW MUCH TIME IS LEFT?
02:10:30PM >> MY NAME IS SUSAN SWIFT.
I -- MAY I ASK FOR SOME MORE TIME FOR QUESTIONS.
SUSAN SWIFT, PLANNING DIRECTOR.
HERE ON BEHALF OF MIKE FRIDELLA AND STEVE STANLEY.
I AM AN EXPERT PLANNER.
I SUBMITTED MY RESUME TO THAT EFFECT.
I DO THINK I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN UNIQUE QUALIFICATION
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW ME.
I WAS THE ZONING DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR 11
YEARS.
MANY MOONS AGO.
SO I UNDERSTAND THE CODE AND I UNDERSTAND THE PROCEDURES.
I HAVE A SLIDE -- A POWERPOINT IF SOMEONE COULD PUT IT UP
THERE.
IT WAS SUBMITTED.
THERE IT GOES.
02:11:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
02:11:20PM >> NEXT SLIDE.
AND I AM GOING TO MOVE THROUGH THIS BECAUSE OF RAN OUT OF
TIME ALREADY.
THE MOST -- BIGGEST CONCERN FOR THE NEIGHBORS AND MY CLIENTS
ARE PROCESS AND TRANSPARENCY.
THERE ARE A LOT OF INCREMENTAL APPLICATIONS FOR THIS
PROJECT.
NEXT SLIDE.
AM I SUPPOSED TO BE DOING THIS?
SORRY, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT.
CAN I -- CAN I STOP MY TIME.
02:11:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT'S STOPPED.
02:11:53PM >> OKAY.
OKAY, SIDEWAYS.
ALL RIGHT.
CAN IT COME UP HERE OR NOT?
ANYBODY COME UP HERE?
NO?
I CAN STAND BACK HERE AND HOPE YOU CAN HEAR ME.
THERE IS A LOT OF COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT WE
PROVIDED AT THE VRB.
TO REPEAT -- THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THEY PUT THE SLIDE DOWN HERE.
THE BIGGEST QUESTION OR THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS -- WE AGREE
WITH THE DECISION LETTER.
THIS IS A LEGAL NONCONFORMING USE AND A LEGAL NONCONFORMING
STRUCTURE.
THEREFORE, THIS BUILDING FOOTPRINT IS GRAND FATHERED.
THEY DIDN'T NEED A SETBACK VARIANCE TO BUILD, TO KEEP WHAT
IS THERE.
THEY NEED IT TO BUILD A GARAGE UNDERNEATH, BUT THEY DON'T
NEED TO HAVE ANY VARIANCE.
THAT IS THE BASIS.
A LOT OF SMOKE AND MIRRORS AND DIFFERENT SITE PLANS.
IT DOESN'T MEET THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA.
EXPANDING THE NONCONFORMING USE.
YOU HEARD A LOT OF THAT.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES IS THE APPLICATION ITSELF WAS
DEFICIENT.
MORE THAN HALF THE ITEMS IN YOUR VRB APPLICATION WAS NOT
PRESENTED ON THE SITE PLAN OR THE APPLICATION.
THE PREMISE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE RAISED.
YOU HEARD THAT.
UNLIKE THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLES, NO GOVERNMENT AGENCY IS
MAKING THEM DO THIS.
THEY ARE DOING IT TO BUILD THE PARKING GARAGE.
I AM NOT A PROPONENT OF PDs I THINK THEY ARE OVERUSED IN THE
CITY.
THING IS A PROJECT THAT SHOULD BE PROCESSED AS A FD.
ITEMS IN YOUR CHECKLIST THAT ARE NOT PROVIDED ON THE SITE
PLAN.
AND THIS APPLICATION IS COMPLETELY DEFICIENT.
SHOULD NEVER HAVE GONE TO THE VRB IN THE FIRST PLACE.
THERE IS SO MANY INCONSISTENCIES.
I DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME IN MY TEN MINUTES.
I CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME IN MY THREE MINUTES.
SO I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM.
AT LEAST FIVE SITE PLANS SUBMITTED.
TO THE POINT EARLIER, THE STAFF PERSON PRESENTED VARIOUS
SHEETS OF A SITE PLAN.
THOSE WERE NOT INCLUDED -- SEVERAL OF THOSE SMILES ARE NOT
ON THE DECISION LETTER.
THE PARKING IS NOT ON THE DECISION LETTER.
THERE ARE ONLY TWO -- TWO LITTLE CUTOUTS LIKES YOU SEE IN
THIS SITE PLAN 3 THAT ARE COMPLETELY INELIGIBLE AND THEY ARE
MEANINGLESS.
02:15:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:15:02PM >> THIS IS MY IMPORTANT SLIDE.
CAN I COVER THIS.
02:15:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHATEVER EXTRA TIME, WE GIVE IT TO THE
OTHER SIDE.
A MINUTE.
02:15:11PM >> THE MOST IMPORTANT SLIDE.
THE FOOTPRINT OF THIS BUILDING IS GRANDFATHERED.
LEGAL NONCONFORMING USE AND STRUCTURE.
THE BLUE IS WHERE YOUR CODE SAYS, SHALL NOT EXTEND TO OCCUPY
LAND OUTSIDE SUCH BUILDING.
THE BLUE IN THE CENTER COURTYARD, THAT IS AN EXPANSION.
THE VRB TO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO EITHER OF THESE
THINGS.
THE PINK IS -- THE PINK IS AN EXPANSION AS STEVE SAYS.
IT IS EXPANDING THE BUILDING BEYOND WHAT IS THERE NOW THIS
IS THE SECTIONS THAT PROHIBIT THAT.
SIX SECTIONS IN YOUR CODE.
THEY SAY THIS IN SIX DIFFERENT WAYS.
THEY CAN'T EXPAND THE USE.
THEY CAN'T EXPAND THE BUILDING OR THE STRUCTURE IN ALL THESE
WAY AND IT GOT WORSE BECAUSE WE NEVER SEEN THE SHEETS THAT
WERE SHOWN AND SKIPPING TO THE END, THE WE DO NOT HAVE THE
SHEETS THAT THE STAFF JUST SHOWED YOU.
THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE PRESENTED -- THE APPLICATION PRESENTED A
NEW SITE PLAN AT THE VRB HEARING, NOT IN THE RULES OF
PROCEDURES AND WE NEVER SEEN.
02:16:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AT THIS TIME A PRESENTATION BY MR. STEVE MICHELINI.
YOU WILL HAVE 16 MINUTES.
02:16:35PM >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
BEFORE WE GET STARTED AND MY TIME BEGINS, I HAVE
HOUSEKEEPING.
BEN DACHEPALLI.
I AM WITH THE LAW FIRM OF BRADLEY ARANT BOULT CUMMINGS.
DAVIS STREET.
I AM A DAVIS ISLAND RESIDENT.
BEFORE I BEGIN MY TIME, I HAVE HOUSEKEEPING MATTERS, MR.
CHAIRMAN, IF THAT IS OKAY?
02:17:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD.
02:17:08PM >> I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF ITEMS.
I WANT TO ENSURE THAT THE OFFICIAL RECORD FOR THIS
PROCEEDING INCLUDES THE RELEVANT DOCUMENTS IN THE VRB FILE,
SPECIFICALLY THE VARIANCE APPLICATION.
02:17:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THIS SHOULD BE PART OF THE PRESENTATION.
SO WE WILL START YOUR TIME.
02:17:24PM >> OKAY, GREAT.
02:17:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PROCEDURAL?
02:17:30PM >> I AM JUST TRYING TO CONFIRM THAT THE DOCUMENTS ARE ALL ON
THE RECORD.
02:17:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WELL, I CAN'T --
02:17:35PM >> WE LOOKED ONLINE AND WE DIDN'T SEE THEM.
02:17:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
I CAN'T VOUCH NOR CAN COUNCIL AT THIS TIME WHAT IS IN THE
ORIGINAL RECORD.
WILL SOMEBODY BE ABLE TO STATE THAT IF THAT IS THE CASE?
02:17:59PM >>STEVEN EYSTER:
STEVEN EYSTER WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA.
A PACKET THAT WAS 350 PAGES CONTAINING ALL INFORMATION FROM
THE RECORD CONDENSED SO YOU GUYS CAN FLIP THROUGH IT WITHOUT
HAVING TO GO THROUGH ACELA.
02:18:14PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OKAY, THANK YOU.
PRESENTING A POWERPOINT AND INTRODUCING A HARD COPY OF THAT
INTO THE RECORD AS WELL.
LASTLY, HOUSEKEEPING MATTER.
I UNDERSTAND OBVIOUS THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING.
IT IS KIND OF AWKWARD TO EVEN LAST, BUT IN LIGHT OF RECENT
13th JUDICIAL CIRCUIT OPINION BY JUDGE MOE IN THE LIBERTY
HOSPITALITY MANAGEMENT VERSUS CITY OF TAMPA CASE, I HAVE THE
LEGAL DUTY AND OBLIGATION ON BEHALF OF MY CLIENT TO ASK THE
COUNCIL ATTORNEY OR THE CITY ATTORNEY WHETHER THERE IS LEGAL
-- WHETHER CITY COUNCIL HAS THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO EXERCISE
QUASI JUDICIAL POWERS IN THIS MEETING.
IF SO, WE ARE MORE THAN READY TO PROCEED.
AND JUST WANT TO RESERVE OUR RIGHTS ACCORDINGLY.
02:19:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AS HAPPENED THIS MORNING WHEN MR. MASSEY
SPOKE TO CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY ATTORNEY AND MISS JOHN SUSAN
JOHNSON-VELEZ AND NEEDS TO CHIME IN, SHE HAS OPINED THAT YOU
CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING AND IT IS
APPROPRIATE TO DO SO.
02:19:21PM >> THANK YOU.
WITH THAT I AM READY TO PROCEED.
02:19:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
02:19:24PM >> ONCE AGAIN, I REPRESENT ADAM SCHLESINGER WHO IS SITTING
HERE AND THE APPLICANT, STEVE MICHELINI, REGARDING 16 DAVIS
BOULEVARD, THE RESPONDENT IN THIS MATTER.
YOU KNOW, MY CLIENT SOUGHT THIS VARIANCE TO PRESERVE,
PROTECT AND UPGRADE A 99-YEAR-OLD HISTORIC BUILDING.
THE VRB EVALUATED ALL THE CRITERIA AND ON MAY 14, 2024,
UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED VRB 23-270 TO LIVE THE BUILDING SIX
FEET SEVEN INCHES BECAUSE SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE WAS
SUBMITTED AND WE MET ALL THE CRITERIA.
AND I WILL GO THROUGH THE CRY TERRY EXTRA AND WHAT THE VRB.
THIS WAS A LENGTHY HEARING.
IT WAS OVER TWO HOURS LONG
THE VRB LISTENS TO THE TAMPA AND THE FIVE VARIANCE CRITERIA
I WILL DISCUSS LATER IN THIS HE THINKS WERE.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE VRB CONDITIONS -- THE VRB
INCLUDED CONDITIONS AS PART OF THEIR APPROVAL.
AS WAS STATE BY CITY STAFF, THE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS TO
SAFEGUARD AGAINST ANY CONCERNS THAT THE VARIANCE WILL APPLY
TO ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY.
THIS VARIANCE APPLIES TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND VARIANCE
TERMINATES IF EXCEEDS GOVERNING NONCONFORM STRUCTURES.
I WANT TO GIVE YOU BACKGROUND ON THE BUILDING ITSELF AND
SIGNIFICANCE.
BUILDING HAS REMAINED IN THE SAME CONFIGURATION 99 YEARS.
THIS OWNER MR. SCHLESINGER WANTS TO REMAIN FOR ANOTHER99
YEARS.
LOCATED 16 DAVIS BOULEVARD AND CONSTRUCTED BACK IN 1925.
A RICH HISTORY TO THIS -- TO THIS BUILDING.
BUILT IN 1925.
THIS IS AN ORIGINAL PHOTOGRAPH.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY CALLED THE SPANISH PARTS.
IT WAS DEVELOPED BY D P DAVIS TO BE A GATEWAY STRUCTURE ON
BE INTO DAVIS ISLANDS AND ANNOUNCES THE DAVIS ISLANDS'
MEDITERRANEAN WITH 22 APARTMENT UNITS COVERING TWO AND A
HALF LOTS AND NO PARKING.
AUGUST 3, 1989, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY LISTED ON THE NATIONAL
REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
NOMINATED BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA BUREAU OF PRESERVATION.
BEFORE THIS APPLICATION, THIS VARIANCE APPLICATION WAS MADE,
THE CITY ISSUED A NOTICE.
IT CONFIRMED THAT THE STRUCTURE REMAINS IN THE SAME LOCATION
ON LOT ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED WITH 22 UNITS.
SETBACKS ARE LEGAL NONCONFORMING AND THE DENSITY IS ALSO
LEGAL NONCONFORMING.
THAT BRINGS US TO THE VARIANCE REQUEST ITSELF.
THE PURPOSE OF THE OWNER'S REQUEST IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE
TO PRESERVE A HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
TO COMPLY WITH CURRENT FEMA REQUIREMENTS EVEN THOUGH NO
OBLIGATION TO, AND TO ALLEVIATE THE ON-STREET PARKING, AND A
LOT OF THE E-MAILS AND LETTERS OF SUPPORT THAT THIS COUNCIL
RECEIVED IS JUST THAT.
THEY WANT TO SEE THE RELIEF OF ALL THE ON STREET PARKING
THAT THIS BUILDING GENERATES WITH 2 UNITS.
IT WILL NOT CHANGE DESPITE WHAT THEY ARE TELLING YOU.
AND THE DENSITY AND THE SETBACKS WILL NOT CHANGE.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO NONCONFORMING ISSUES THAT WE ARE
DEALING WITH FOR THIS VARIANCE REQUEST.
LIFTING THE STRUCTURE DOES NOT INCREASE THE NONCONFORMING
SETBACKS.
AND HERE ARE THE SETBACKS.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY HAVE BEEN THE SAME SINCE 1925.
THESE ARE THE MEASUREMENTS OF THOSE SETBACKS, AFTER THE
LIFT, THE PROPOSED LIFT, THE SETBACKS WILL REMAIN EXACTLY
THE SAME.
THIS IS A VISUAL RECOMMENDATION OF THE APPROVED SITE PLAN
THAT WAS SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL RECORD TO
THE VRB.
ON THE LEFT IS THE ORIGINAL EXISTING SITE PLAN.
AND NEXT TO IT ON THE LEFT -- OR ON THE RIGHT, EXCUSE ME, IS
THE PROPOSED.
ALL THE QUARTERBACKS ARE GOING TO BE EXACTLY THE SAME.
IDENTICAL.
WE ARE ONLY LIFTING IN ADDITION LIFTING THE BUILDING TO
SEVEN FEET SEVEN INCHES, IT WILL REMAIN UNDER THE 60-FOOT
HEIGHT LIMITATION FOR RM-24 DESIGNATION.
AFTER THE LIFT 54 FEET, FOUR INCHES.
THIS WAS SHOWN DURING CITY STAFF'S PRESENTATION, BUT THIS IS
FROM THE APPROVED SITE PLAN.
THIS SHOWS THE EXISTING SIDE ELEVATIONS.
13-FOOT ELEVATION THAT IS REQUIRED FOR THIS BUILDING.
CURRENTLY EXISTS EIGHT FEET, SIX INCHES AS THE FINISHED
FLOOR ELEVATION.
AS WE FLIP TO THE PROPOSED ELEVATION, THERE ISN'T -- WHAT IS
STRIKE BEING THIS.
THERE IS NOT A LOT OF DIFFERENCE IN APPEARANCE OR SCALE,
EXCEPT THAT THE BUILDING WILL NOW HAVE A DESIGN FLOOD
ELEVATION THAT COMPLIES WITH FEMA'S AND THE CITY'S ELEVATION
STANDARDS.
SO LET'S TALK OF THE PROPOSED WORK TO THE BUILDING.
WE ARE PROPOSING TO LIFT IT 7 FEET, 6 INCHES.
SIDE ELEVATION OF DAVIS BOULEVARD AND HOW IT WILL LOOK AFTER
THE LIFT IS COMPLETED.
THIS IS A SIDE ELEVATION ON ADALIA AFTER THE LIFT IS
COMPLETED.
IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE ELEVATION OF THE STRUCTURE DOES
NOT REQUIRE IT TO BE SHIFTED OR MOVED HORIZONTALLY.
THIS IS STRICTLY A VERTICAL LIFT.
NOW THE OWNER HAS TAKEN GREAT CARE TO SELECT A SPECIALIST IN
STRUCTURAL LIFT BIG MAINTAINING BROWNIE STRUCTURAL MOVERS,
WHO HAVE BEEN DOING STRUCTURAL LIFTS FOR OVER 100 YEARS ALL
OVER THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND THE SOUTHEAST UNITED STATES.
MR. JACKSON BROWNIE IS HERE.
IF THE CITY COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS OF THE METHODOLOGY
THAT WE INTEND TO EMPLOY, AND HE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS
ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCES AS WELL.
TO HIGHLIGHT BROWNIE'S STRUCTURAL EXPERIENCE IN THIS, I
WANTED TO SHARE THREE CASE STUDIES ALSO SHARED WITH THE VRB,
OF BUILDINGS THAT WAS SIMILAR TO 16 DAVIS.
HISTORIC HOLLOW CLAY TUNNEL BUILDINGS ALSO RAISED TO
PRESERVE THE STRUCTURES AND REDUCE THE IMPACT OF FLOODING.
HERE IS THE SECOND ONE.
HERE IS THE THIRD ONE.
THE SCOPE AND WORK THAT BROWNIE DOES OVER THE STATE IS THE
TYPE OF PROJECT THAT HE WILL BE DOING HERE.
TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY AND ITS RESIDENTS, THERE IS ALSO
SIGNIFICANT HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE REASONS FOR THIS
VARIANCE.
LIFTING THE BUILDING WILL RAISE ALL ELECTRICAL AND
MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT OUT OF THE FLOOD ZONES.
FEMA SUPPORTS THIS APPROACH EVEN THOUGH THE OWNER IS NOT
REQUIRED TO MEET CURRENT FLOOD ELEVATION STANDARDS.
THE CURRENT U.S. SECRETARY OF INTERIOR RECOMMENDS THIS
RAISING METHOD AS A GUIDELINES FOR RESTORING HISTORIC
BUILDINGS.
A APERTURE IN PRESIDENT NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM AND
CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS OF AN
IMPROVED FLOOD MITIGATION METHOD UNDER THE NIFB.
HISTORIC PRESERVATION EXPERT CASSIE GARDNER.
A FLORIDA CERTIFIED GENERAL CONTRACTOR, AND SHE HAS OFFERED
A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THIS ENDEAVOR TO PRESERVE A BUILDING
AND EXPLAIN WHY THIS LIFT IS SO IMPORTANT FOR THE BUILDING'S
FUTURE IF COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
PER HER LETTER THAT I ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ, MISS GARDNER
SAY WILL SUPPORT THE SUSTAINABILITY OF STRUCTURE THROUGH
ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS.
THE VRB I WANT TO GO FLEW EACH ONE AND SHOW WHY YOU THE VRP
UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THIS REQUEST.
THE PETITIONERS KEEP TALKING OF THE LACK OF HARDSHIPS, BUT
THE VARIANCE CRITERIA NUMBER ONE IF THERE ARE HARDSHIPS TO
ARE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES UNIQUE TO THE PROPERTY AND THAT
IS EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
SIX PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES TO THE STRUCTURE.
THE STRUCTURE WAS BUILT IN 1925 PRIOR TO SETBACKS AND HEIGHT
REGULATIONS AND LEGAL NONCONFORMING.
ON AN ODDLY SHAPED STRUCTURE SINCE DEVELOPED IN 1995.
THE PROPERTY HAS TWO FRONT SETBACKS INSTEAD OF ONE.
THREE SIDE SIDEWALKS.
AND NO REAR SETBACK.
IF THE CURRENT RM SETBACK -- THE CURRENT RM SETBACKS OF TWO
25-FOOT AND THREE SEVEN-SIDE ARE APPLIED, THEN THE PROPERTY
WOULD HAVE VIRTUALLY NO CAPACITY TO USABLE STRUCTURES.
I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU ON THE ELMO, IF I COULD.
JUST A DIAGRAM OF -- OF WHAT THE BUILDABLE FOOTPRINT WOULD
BE IF THERE WAS IF IT HAS TO COMPLY WITH THE CURRENT
SETBACK.
HERE IT IS.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE CURRENT -- THE CURRENT AREA AS IT EXISTS
NOW IS 5950 FEET.
IF IT HAS TO GO DOWN TO THE CURRENT SETBACK REQUIREMENTS
FOR RM 24, THAN 94 IT IS REALLY WHAT THE OPPOSITION WANT.
THEY DON'T LIKE THE DENSITY AND THEY WOULD RATHER SEE IT
LOSE ITS CONFORMING STATUS.
WE WILL INTRODUCE THIS INTO THE RECORD FOR EVIDENCE AS WELL.
CAN I GO BACK TO THE POWER POINTS PLEASE.
IT IS GOING TO COME.
THERE IT IS.
02:29:57PM >> OKAY, GREAT.
THE NEXT CRITERIA, CRITERIA NUMBER TWO IS THE PRACTICAL
DIFFICULTIES WERE NOT SELF-CREATED THAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
THE PREVIOUSLY CITED PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES ARE NOT BY THE
APPLICANT.
CONDITIONS HAPPENED SINCE 1925 BELONGING BEFORE OUR
APPLICATION.
AND FEMA FOR OPERATION OF LAW.
NOT BY THE APPLICANT.
HISTORIC DESIGNATION OCCURRED IN 1989 WITH THE NOMINATION OF
OTHERS NOT MY APPLICANT, NOT MY CLIENT.
CHANGING WEATHER PATTERNS EXTREME WEATHER NOT CAUSING WATER
DAMAGE IS OUTSIDE OF THE CONTROL OF THE APPLICANT AND NONE
OF THESE ARE SELF-CREATED.
PRESIDENT THIRD CRITERIA THAT THE VARIANCE WILL NOT
INTERFERE WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES BUILT AND DEVELOPED WITH THE
16 DAVIS.
ALL THE WORK.
AND BY LIFTING THE BUILDING, THE OWNER MINUTE RISING THE
CURRENT NONCONFORMITIES AND PARKING ALL THE ON-STREET
PARKING ISSUES THAT MANY OF THE SUPPORTERS HAVE WRITTEN TO
THE COUNCIL ABOUT AND WHY THEY SUPPORT THIS VARIANCE.
THE FOURTH CRITERIA IS THAT THE VARIANCE SERVING THE INTENT
AND PURPOSES OF THE COMP PLAN.
THAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
THE VARIANCE SERVING THE INTENT AND PURPOSE OF THE COMP
PLAN, AS WELL AS THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE FEDERAL
REGULATIONS AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
I HAVE LISTED THEM ALL HERE FOR YOU SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THIS
VARIANCE SERVES THAT PURPOSE.
AND HERE ARE THE FEDERAL REGS.
AND HERE IS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THE FOURTH CRITERIA -- EXCUSE ME -- THE FIFTH CRITERIA IS
THAT SUBSTANTIAL JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED.
THIS IS TRUE.
THE COMPETING INTEREST OF PRESERVING THIS HISTORIC STRUCTURE
INCLUDING ALL THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE REASONS WE
PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY AND ITS
RESIDENTS SIGNIFICANTLY OUTWEIGHS THE NEGLIGIBLE IMPACT OF
THIS VARIANCE.
IMPORTANTLY, FOR THIS BODY'S EVALUATION, THE SETBACKS WILL
REMAIN UNCHANGED.
WE ARE NOT CHANGING THEM AND THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING WILL
BE WELL BELOW THE HEIGHT LIMIT.
ALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS THAT THIS WAS MERELY A
SUBTERFUGE TO REDEVELOP THE PROPERTY AT A ONE FOOT SETBACK
TO I DRESS CONCERNS, LIMITED THE EXISTING STRUCTURES AND
THAT THE VARIANCE SHOULD DETERMINATE AND BE AND VOID IF THE
BUILDING IS DAMAGED OR DESTROYED MORE THAN THE PERCENTAGE
LIMITATIONS AND THE VRP APPROVED THIS VARIANCE WITH THESE
CONDITIONS.
IN CONCLUSION, THE RESPONDENT HOPES THAT CITY COUNCIL HOLD
UP THE UNANIMOUS APPROVAL OF VRB 23-70 BECAUSE WE HAVE MET
THE CRITERIA AND HAVE PRESENTED COMPETENT EVIDENCE TO
SUPPORT IT.
02:33:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CAN WE SEE THIS.
02:33:45PM >> IS MY TIME STOPPING?
02:33:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, WE HAVE PAUSED YOUR TIME.
I JUST WANT TO READ THIS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, MA'AM.
02:33:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT YEAR DID YOUR CLIENT PURCHASE THIS
PROPERTY.
02:34:01PM >> 2021.
02:34:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO ONE OF THE VERY FIRST SLIDES?
02:34:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
02:34:10PM >> YES.
02:34:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE SLIDE WHERE YOU HAD THE REASONS YOU WANT
TO DO THIS.
SO YOU WANT TO DO THIS TO PRESERVE, COMPLY AND ALLEVIATE.
OKAY.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I WILL WAIT UNTIL
THE END.
THANK YOU.
02:34:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:34:47PM >> THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN.
02:34:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYTHING FURTHER IN YOUR PRESENTATION OR
YOUR SECTION?
02:34:56PM >> I WILL RESERVE THE REMAINING TIME FOR REBUTTAL.
02:35:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THERE IS NO REBUTTAL.
02:35:04PM >> ACCORDING TO PROCEDURES, WE HAVE TIME FOR REBUTTAL.
02:35:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE DO.
I HAVE TWO PAGES HERE.
02:35:10PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SOMEBODY IS JESTERING WITH STUFF.
MR. DACHPELLI, IS THIS -- IS THIS BEING SUBMITTED FOR THE
RECORD.
02:35:23PM >> EVERYTHING THAT I SAID I COMMITTED FOR THE RECORD.
02:35:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FOR CLARITY, YOU HAVE REBUTTAL AND MR.
STANLEY HAS REBUTTAL.
I HAVE TWO PAGES OF INSTRUCTIONS SO.
ALL RIGHT, AT THIS TIME WE GO TO CROSS EXAMINATION BY MR.
STEVEN STANLEY, THE PETITIONERS OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVES.
A FIVE-MINUTE CROSS-EXAMINATION, FOLLOWED BY FIVE MINUTES
FOR MR. MICHELINI OR THE ATTORNEY TO ALSO CROSS-EXAMINE.
WHO -- YOU WISH TO BEGIN THE CROSS-EXAMINATION SIR?
02:35:57PM >> NO WITNESSES HAVE BEEN ASKED ANY QUESTIONS SO I DON'T
KNOW WHO IS THE SUBJECT TO CROSS EXAMINATION UNDER THE RULES
AND PROCEDURES.
02:36:04PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. DACHEPELLI, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS
PICKED UP ON THE MICROPHONE.
02:36:14PM >> BEN DACHEPELLI FOR THE APPLICANT.
I AM NOT AWARE OF HOW MR. STANLEY WILL HAVE TIME FOR
CROSS-EXAMINATION SINCE I AM THE ONLY ONE THAT PRESENTED
ANYTHING THUS FAR AND ANSWERED ANY QUESTIONS FROM CITY
COUNCIL.
02:36:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MISS SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, CAN YOU
CLARIFY.
HEARING PROCEED AUTO US, WE HAVE TWO SIDES OF CROSS
EXAMINATION.
02:36:37PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, DEPARTMENT.
YES, WELL, I THINK I MENTIONED TO YOU, COUNCIL BEFORE IN
PRIOR HEARINGS.
THAT ATTORNEYS DO NOT PROVIDE FACT-BASED TESTIMONY.
ATTORNEYS KIND OF PRESENT.
AND SO THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY FACT WITNESSES, SO --
02:36:57PM >> WHAT ABOUT STAFF?
WHAT ABOUT MR. STEVEN EY STER?
02:37:05PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
YOU CAN CROSS-EXAMINE MR. EYSTER,
STAFF HAS BEEN SWORN IN.
02:37:10PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
EXCUSE ME, JUST FOR THE RECORD, THERE
ARE OTHER STAFF MEMBERS ON TOO.
ERIC COTTON AND LAURA MARLEY ARE BOTH ONLINE AND HAVE A LINE
TO THE HEARING.
02:37:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU COULD STATE WHAT THEIR ROLES ARE,
WHO WILL BE SPEAKING.
02:37:25PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
MR. COTTON IS THE ZONING
ADMINISTRATOR, AND MISS MARLEY IS INVOLVED IN THE VRB
PROCESS.
SHE WAS AT THE HEARING, WITH THE HEARING.
02:37:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THEY ARE AVAILABLE TO CITY COUNCIL IF CITY
COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS OF THEM.
OKAY.
02:37:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
IF YOU WISH TO CROSS EXAMINATION, SIR, THERE IS A GENTLEMAN
FROM THE VRB OVER HERE.
02:37:44PM >> YES.
02:37:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IF HE CAN COP UP AND STATE YOUR NAMES
BOTH FOR THE RECORDS.
02:37:49PM >> MY NAME IS -- FOR THE RECORD AGAIN.
02:37:51PM >> STEPHEN STANLEY ON BEHALF OF THE PETITIONERS.
02:37:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU ARE CROSS-EXAMINING.
02:37:58PM >> RIGHT NOW, STEVEN --
02:38:01PM >>STEVEN EYSTER.
02:38:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD, YOU HAVE PHI MINUTES.
02:38:05PM >> MR. EYSTER, ISN'T IT TRUE THAT THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT OF
THE BUILDING IS GRANDFATHERED IN.
02:38:14PM >> WE TYPICALLY DON'T USE THE TERM "GRANDFATHERED."
IT WAS VESTED BY THE CITY.
02:38:19PM >> THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT IS VESTED.
02:38:38PM >> SO YOU SHOWED COUNCIL MULTIPLE PAGES I AM ASSUMING --
ALLEGEDLY PART OF THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED.
HAVE YOU SEEN THE ACTUAL LETTER THAT WERE ATTACHED DRAWINGS
THE APPROVAL LETTER.
02:38:57PM >> YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
UPDATED FROM HEAD FROM THE ORIGINAL VRB PROCEEDING AND WE
USED THOSE SAME SITE PHOTOS -- THE SAME SITE PLAN.
02:39:08PM >> WHY DO WE HAVE ONLY TWO?
THE LETTER AND TWO DRAWINGS?
CAN I HAVE A MOMENT.
THAT'S WHY WE FILED THE PETITION.
I STAND CORRECTED.
IT HAS THE SURVEY AND THE DRAWINGS.
IT ONLY HAS -- ISN'T IT TRUE THAT THE LETTER -- THE LETTER
--
02:40:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WILL COME UP IN A SECOND.
02:40:24PM >>STEVEN EYSTER:
FIRST PAGE OF THE LETTER.
SECOND PAGE OF THE LETTER, A SURVEY.
AT TWO FOOTPRINTS, THE EXISTING AND THE PROPOSED THE
EXPANDED VERSION.
02:40:57PM >> CURRENT AND PROPOSED ELEVATION ONE FOLLOWED BY THE OTHER.
02:41:01PM >> BUT THAT'S IT.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY PAGES THAT ARE PART OF THE LETTERS, IS
THAT CORRECT?
02:41:08PM >> YES.
02:41:09PM >> ISN'T IT TRUE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THIS EXPANSION
WHAT WAS BEFORE.
02:41:24PM >> I SEE THE ELEVATION OF THE GARAGE.
02:41:27PM >>THE EXPANSION.
02:41:27PM >> I WILL DIRECT TO THAT WE ARE RICK TO DECIDE IF THAT IS --
02:41:32PM >> STILL ON MY TIME.
CAN WE GET ERIC --
02:41:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. COTTON IS ONLINE.
ERIC, ARE YOU LISTENING TO THE QUESTION?
02:41:40PM >>ERIC COTTON:
YES, SIR.
02:41:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SORRY, YOU ASK THE QUESTION.
HE IS ON CAMERA.
02:41:47PM >>ERIC COTTON:
I HEARD THE QUESTION.
MR. STANLEY, I'M HERE.
02:41:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LET'S WEAR NEW JUST IN CASE.
02:42:02PM >>ERIC COTTON:
I WAS SWORN AT THE BEGINNING.
02:42:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD, SIR.
02:42:06PM >>ERIC COTTON:
SO THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS AN
EXPANSION OF THE BUILDING.
AND NUMEROUS SITE PLANS SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE RECORD AND
IT DOES APPEAR TO BE AN EXPANSION OF THE STRUCTURE AT THE
FOOTPRINT, YES, IT DOES APPEAR TO BE THAT WAY.
02:42:27PM >> AND ISN'T IT TRUE THAT THE -- TURNING THE DIRT COURTYARD
WITH TREE INTO A CONCRETE GARAGE IS AN EXPANSION OF THE
FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING?
02:42:41PM >>ERIC COTTON:
JUST STRICTLY LIFTING THE BUILDING UP AND
PUTTING ANOTHER LEVEL ON THE BUILDING WOULD NOT BE AN
EXPANSION -- EXPANSION OF THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING BUT
NOT NECESSARILY OF THE NONCONFORMITY OF THE SETBACKS.
02:42:54PM >> BUT AN EXPANSION OF THE BUILDING?
02:42:57PM >>ERIC COTTON:
CORRECT.
02:42:58PM >> OKAY.
SO YOU ARE SAYING IT IS NOT AN EXPANSION OF THE
NONCONFORMITY?
02:43:11PM >>ERIC COTTON:
THE DISCUSSION FOR THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD
WAS THE REQUIRED SETBACKS OF THE PROPERTY.
SO THERE WAS A NONCONFORMITY THAT THE APPLICANT WAS TRYING
TO CURE THROUGH A VARIANCE PROCESS.
IT WAS THE EXTERIOR SETBACKS.
SO THAT IS WHAT THE BOARD REVIEWED AND WHAT THE BOARD HAD
APPROVED WAS A REDUCTION OF THE SETBACK FROM X TO Y FROM 45
FEET TO A FOOT WHATEVER THE ACTUAL NUMBERS WERE.
THAT WAS THE REQUEST BEFORE THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
THE VARIANCE WOULD HAVE CURED THAT SETBACK ISSUE SO ANYTHING
INTERIOR TO THE STRUCTURE WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE AN
EXPANSION -- AN EXPANSION OF A NONCONFORMITY WITH REGARD TO
THE SETBACK ISSUE.
02:43:56PM >> BUT AN EXPANSION OF THE BUILDING.
ISN'T IT TRUE THAT BUILDING A GARAGE WHERE THE -- WHERE THE
GRASS COURTYARD OUTSIDE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING IS AN
A EXPANSION OF THE BUILDING?
02:44:09PM >>ERIC COTTON:
CORRECT.
I AM NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU ON THAT.
02:44:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:44:15PM >> THANK YOU.
02:44:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NEXT UP, CROSS-EXAMINATION --
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:44:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF
FOLLOWING ON THAT BECAUSE IT SAYS WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS.
FOR MR. EYSTER OR MR. COTTON, WHOEVER CAN ANSWER THIS.
AT THE END OF THE LAST PRESENTATION, IT BASICALLY -- OR ONE
OF THE RULES FROM THE VARIANCE CLEARLY STATED THAT IF THE
BUILDING WERE TO BE CONFIRMED, THE FOOTPRINT WOULD GO BACK
OREGON THE QUARTERBACKS WILL GO BACK, CORRECT?
02:45:02PM >>STEVEN EYSTER:
CORRECT.
02:45:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WOULD THEY GO BACK TO THE CITY'S REQUIRED
SETBACKS OR WHAT IS VESTED NOW?
02:45:08PM >>STEVEN EYSTER:
I BELIEVE WITH THE CONDITION ON THE RECORD
BACK TO THE RM 24, WHICH IS 25 FRONT, 7 SIDES, AND 20
REAR.
02:45:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM GOING TO ASK MR. COTTON.
THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN VESTED THOUGH.
CAN YOU TALK TO ME ABOUT THE VESTING OF THE BUILDING VERSES
THE VESTING OF SETBACKS.
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN I WAS ON THE VARIANCE REVIEW
BOARD, ONCE YOU VEST A BUILDING, YOU ARE VESTING THE
SETBACKS.
02:45:36PM >>ERIC COTTON:
SO ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THE QUESTION IS -- THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS THE
VARIANCE -- THE ORIGINAL WAS FOR A FORMAL DECISION THAT WAS
MADE FOR BOTH THE NONCONFORMING STRUCTURE AS IT SITS TODAY
BEFORE ANYTHING WAS -- WAS CONSIDERED BY THE VARIANCE REVIEW
BOARD AND A NONCONFORMING USE WHICH IS THE NUMBER OF UNITS.
THE FDN.
THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS.
THE BUILDING AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW IS A NONCONFORMING
STRUCTURE.
THAT CAN REMAIN LIKE THAT FOREVER, SO TO SPEAK.
ALWAYS REMAIN AS A NONCONFORMING STRUCTURE AS LONG AS IT
DOESN'T SUFFER DAMAGE UP TO 75% AND WHATEVER ELSE IS IN THE
COULD HE HAD FOR THAT.
WHAT THE APPLICANT CAME TO DO WAS TO RAISE THE BUILDING UP.
THAT IS NO LONGER GRANDFATHERED IN OR A NONCONFORMING
STRUCTURE, BECAUSE THE STRUCTURE ITSELF IS CHANGING TO THE
HEIGHT THAT IS WHY THEY NEED TO ASK FOR THE VARIANCE FOR THE
SETBACKS.
BECAUSE THE STRUCTURE OF IT WAS CHANGING.
WHEN THE VARIANCE WAS GRANTED BY THE VRB, THE STRUCTURE
ITSELF WAS CONFORMING WITH THE REGULATIONS AT THAT MOMENT.
02:46:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT IT IS SAYING IS THAT IT IS CONFORMING,
AND, SAY, A HURRICANE OR AN EARTHQUAKE OR A BOLT OF
LIGHTNING HIT, AND THE BUILDING IS DESTROYED.
THEY COULD BUILD IT BACK TO THE CURRENT VESTED SETBACKS OF
ONE FOOT?
02:47:11PM >>ERIC COTTON:
WELL, NO, IN THAT CONDITION THEY SELF-IMPOSED
ON THEMSELVES THAT THE VRB ADOPTED SAID IF IT GOES AWAY
WHICH MR. EYSTER JUST COMMENTED ON, IF THE BUILDING IS
DESTROYED, THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE RM-24 STANDARDS.
02:47:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM ASKING ABOUT YOUR -- YOUR FORMAL
DECISION?
02:47:32PM >>ERIC COTTON:
THE ORIGINAL FORMAL DECISION, IF THAT
BUILDING FELL DOWN TODAY, THEY HAVE TO PUT IT BACK TO
THE RM-24 STANDARDS.
BUT NOT --
02:47:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
02:47:43PM >>ERIC COTTON:
NONCONFORMITIES GO AWAY AT THAT MOMENT.
02:47:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THOUGHT THAT, BUT I WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK.
02:47:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY ELSE?
THANK YOU, SIR.
MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ.
NO, YOU ARE GOOD?
ALL RIGHT, GO TO ITEM NUMBER 8 WHICH IS CROSS EXAMINATION BY
THE APPLICANT, MR. MICHELINI OR THE REPRESENTATIVE, THE
ATTORNEY.
YES, SIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CROSS-EXAMINE ANYONE?
02:48:05PM >> YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MR. COTTON A QUICK QUESTION TO
CONFIRM HIS TESTIMONY THAT HE JUST PROVIDED.
02:48:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
STATE YOUR NAME.
02:48:14PM >> BEN DACHEPELLI, BRADLEY ARANT BOULT CUMMINGS LAW
FIRM ON BEHALF THE APPLICANT.
02:48:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD, SIR.
02:48:26PM >> MR. COTTON, EARLIER YOU TESTIFIED THAT THE EXPANSION --
YOU HAD SAID THERE WAS NOT AN EXPANSION OF THE NONCONFORMITY
SETBACK BASED ON THE VARIANCE, CORRECT?
02:48:36PM >>ERIC COTTON:
YES, SIR.
THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.
02:48:38PM >> OKAY.
AND SO EVEN THOUGH -- EXPANSION OF THE NONCONFORMING SETBACK
IS NOT ALLOWED AND THAT -- THAT IS THE CONDITION OF THE
VARIANCE, CORRECT?
02:48:49PM >>ERIC COTTON:
REPEAT -- I AM NOT SURE I UNDERSTOOD YOUR
QUESTION JUST THEN.
CAN YOU REPEAT THAT, PLEASE?
02:48:55PM >> YEAH.
EARLIER YOU HAD TESTIFIED THERE WAS NOT AN EXPANSION OF THE
NONCONFORMING SETBACK, CORRECT?
02:49:01PM >>ERIC COTTON:
CORRECT.
02:49:02PM >> WITH THIS VARIANCE, CORRECT?
02:49:05PM >>ERIC COTTON:
THE VARIANCE GRANTED A -- GRANTED REDUCTION
OF SETBACKS TO MAKE THE STRUCTURE CONFORMING TO THE REQUIRED
SETBACKS.
02:49:15PM >> OKAY.
AND ALSO THE INTERIOR IS NOT CONSIDERED A PART OF THE
EXPANSION OF THE FOOTPRINT, CORRECT?
02:49:24PM >> NO, I BELIEVE I SAID THAT THE FOOTPRINT WOULD NOT -- THE
-- THE EXTENSION OF THE FOOTPRINT ON THE INTERIOR PART WOULD
NOT AFFECT THE SETBACKS AS GRANTED BY THE VARIANCE REVIEW
BOARDS.
02:49:37PM >> CORRECT.
SO THAT DOES NOT EXPAND THE NONCONFORMING SETBACK, CORRECT?
02:49:43PM >>ERIC COTTON:
CORRECT, YES, SIR.
02:49:44PM >> THANK YOU.
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
02:49:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:49:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. COTTON, THAT RAISES
ANOTHER QUESTION FOR ME.
SO THE INTERIOR DOESN'T COUNT.
BUT BY LOOKING AT WHAT'S GOING TO BE LEFT OVER, THERE IS
CONSIDERABLY OVER THE 50% PERMEABILITY SURFACE, CORRECT?
02:50:07PM >>ERIC COTTON:
YES, MA'AM, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THEY DID
NOT ASK FOR FROM THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
THE BOARD HAS THE ABILITY TO GRANT A VARIANCE TO REQUIRE
GREEN SPACE WHICH THEY WILL NOT MEET WITH THE CREATION OF
THE NEW COURTYARD CONCEPT WHICH WILL BE CONCRETE.
THEY HAVE TO DO THAT AND PREMITIGATION.
THEY HAVE TO GO BACK BEFORE THE VRB TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.
02:50:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OH, OKAY.
THANK YOU.
02:50:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
02:50:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MR. COTTON, WHAT ASK IS A HARDSHIP?
IS A HARDSHIP SOMETHING YOU CREATE OR DONE BY NATURE.
02:50:48PM >>ERIC COTTON:
I AM GOING TO TAKE A REALLY POLITICAL ANSWER
AND SAY THE HARDSHIP IS DETERMINED BY THE VARIANCE REVIEW
BOARD THROUGH THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD PROCESS.
I -- WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN ANSWERS TO THAT QUESTION.
I AM GLAD MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ IS UP THERE TO RESPOND.
02:51:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
02:51:07PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
DEPARTMENT.
THE FLORIDA COURT HAS A SET ANSWER.
VARIANCE IS A CHARACTERISTIC ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF THAT
MAKES IT EITHER DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY OR TO MAKE
A REASONABLE USE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO HARDSHIP -- I KNOW WE USE THE DETERMINE "PRACTICAL
DIFFICULTY."
THEY ARE SOMEWHAT INTERCHANGEABLE.
BUT DEALS WITH A PHYSICAL CONDITION ON THE PROPERTY.
SO -- SO SOMEONE -- SOMEONE'S PERSONAL THING THAT IS
PERSONAL TO AN APPLICANT OR A PROPERTY OWNER CANNOT JUSTIFY
A HARDSHIP, BECAUSE THESE THIS RINGS THAT -- I BELIEVE
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK ALLUDED TO, THEY RUN WITH THE LAND.
THOSE ARE THE RULES, THEY RUN WITH THE LAND.
HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, WE LIMIT THE VARIANCE APPROVALS
TO A SITE PLAN.
AND THAT MAKES THE SITE PLAN SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT FINES
THE PARAMETER OF THE VARIANCE.
IN ADDITION AND THE COROLLARY TO THE HARDSHIP IDEA, IT CAN'T
BE SELF-CREATED.
SOMETHING YOU NEED TO DO WITH A VARIANCE ARE THINGS YOU MAY
CONSIDER WHETHER THEY ARE A SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP BECAUSE
THOSE DO NOT JUSTIFY THE GRANTING OF A VARIANCE.
02:52:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?
02:52:33PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
02:52:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IF NOT, WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM, PASS IT ON TO OUR
ATTORNEY.
HE WILL READ OUT THE NAMES.
YOU NEED TO BE PRESENT IF YOU ARE LISTED ON THAT FORM IN
ORDER FOR THAT TIME TO COUNT.
02:52:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MISS ZOMERMAAND, I SEE, HAS SEVEN NAMES.
LET ME FIND OUT WHO IS HERE.
MISS McCASKILL.
PAMELA COLPER.
THANK YOU.
SANDY SANCHEZ.
THANK YOU.
ADRIAN LARAMIE.
THANK YOU.
MARLA JAN LORENZO.
THANK YOU.
MICHELLE DIGIONI -- DID I SAY THAT CORRECTLY?
02:53:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
02:53:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MICHELLE DIGIONI?
I DO NOT SEE MICHELLE HERE.
LAST CALL?
SPEAK UP, PLEASE, IF YOU WERE HERE.
OKAY.
FRAN SILCOX.
FRAN SILCOX, ARE YOU HERE?
LAST CALL FOR FRAN SILCOX.
JAMES GARNESA.
ARE YOU HERE?
OKAY, LAST CALL FOR FRAN SILCOX.
WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX --
02:54:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MARTHA JEAN LORENZO IS THERE.
02:54:30PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MICHELLE AND FRAN.
ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX NAMES FOR A TOTAL OF NINE
MINUTES.
02:54:41PM >> OKAY.
IS IT TIME TO START?
02:55:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHEN YOU START.
02:55:17PM >> DEBBIE ZOMERMAAND.
I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
A DAVIS ISLAND RESIDENT AND CHAIRMAN -- THE ZONING
CHAIRPERSON OF DAVIS ISLANDS CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
DID EVERYBODY GET THE HANDOUT AS SOON AS OKAY, THANK YOU.
I WILL START WITH HOUSEKEEPING THINGS FIRST.
WHAT I HAVE GOT HERE IS THAT -- IGNORE EVERYTHING REGARDING
FEMA.
IT IS JUST A SMOKESCREEN BECAUSE THIS LIFT SOMETHING SOLELY
FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING PARKING.
NO FEMA REGULATIONS REQUIRING THIS CHANGE.
THE ISSUES NOT SPECIFIC TO THIS PROPERTY.
AND I WILL SHOW YOU AN EXAMPLE OF 45 DAVIS BOULEVARD, WHICH
IS THE PALACE OF FLORENCE, WHICH IS -- THIS IS 16 DAVIS, 45
DAVIS BOULEVARD IS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY.
ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES
YOU LOOK AT THE WINDOWS AND VENTS, SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR
HEIGHTS.
AND LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR FINISHED
FLOOR AND NO EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD THAT THIS SUBSTANTIALLY
BUILDING NEEDS TO BE LIFTED.
THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE TO BE ADDRESSED VIA THE VARIANCE.
WITH REGARD TO THE FEMA REGULATIONS, I SEE DAVE JENNINGS IS
IN THE AUDIENCE.
AND HE DID SPEAK TO THAT.
AND I HAVE GOT TRANSCRIPTS.
IF THE TRANSCRIPTS WERE RECORDED CORRECTLY, HE CONCURRED NO
FEMA REGULATIONS THAT WERE FIRING THIS LIFT.
FEEL FREE TO HAVE HIM CORRECT ANYTHING I MISSTATED.
HERE IS 45 DAVIS.
YOU CAN LOOK AT THE WINDOWS HERE AND THE VENTING.
AND IF GO BACK TO THE DAVIS SITE THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR
PACKET, SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR IN HEIGHT.
WIKIPEDIA PAGES, HISTORICAL LISTING AND THE REFERENCES.
NEXT HOUSEKEEPING HEARING I WANT TO SAY AT THE VARIANCE
REVIEW BOARD AND MANY COMMUNICATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT,
THERE WAS -- THERE WAS COMMENTS MADE THAT STAFF, LAND
DEVELOPMENT STAFF, WAS MAKING THEM DO IT THIS WAY.
I WANT TO PUT IN THIS E-MAIL FROM ERIC COTTON, THIS IS NOT
LAND DEVELOPMENT MAKING THEM DO IT THIS WAY.
YOU CAN CHECK THAT OUT WITH ERIC, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING THIS
WAS THE APPLICANT'S PREFERENCE, NOT A REQUIREMENT FROM
STAFF.
ON THIS ONE HERE THERE WAS A VERY GREAT VARIANCE REVIEW
BOARD WORKSHOP.
SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ HAS THE HANDOUT AS WELL AS STEVEN AND
EXCELLENT PRESENTERS IN THAT MEETING.
IN THAT HANDOUT, IT SAYS COMPETENT EVIDENCE.
WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON COMPETENT EVIDENCE.
FACT-BASED SYSTEM AT A WORKSHOP VARIANCE.
AND THEN NONCOMPETENT EVIDENCE IS LAYPERSON OPINIONS.
TO THE FINAL ONE.
ATTORNEYS OPINIONS.
ATTORNEYS ADVOCATE AND NOT WITNESSES.
THINGS PUT INTO THE RECORD TODAY BY THE APPLICANT'S
ATTORNEY.
BUT NO COMPREHENSIVE TINT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE
RECORD.
IT IS WHAT THEY ARE SAYING AND WHAT THEIR OPINIONS ARE.
I DON'T THINK I NEED TO GREATLY GO INTO THE FACT THAT THE
CODE DOES NOT MEET THE VARIANCE CRITERIA.
WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT I DO HAVE THE TRANSCRIPTS FROM THE
VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD MEETING WHEN THEY HELD THE WORK.
SHOP.
I GOT IT RIGHT HERE.
I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PULL OUT ANY COMMENTS FROM HERE
IF YOU WOULD LIKE, BUT THE EXAMPLE THAT MR. STANLEY USED
WHEN YOU BUILDING A HOUSE AND NOT A GARAGE.
IF YOU NEED A GARAGE, YOU SHOULD HAVE EITHER BOUGHT A HOUSE
WITH A GARAGE OR SOMETHING -- A HOUSE THAT HAD ROOM FOR A
GARAGE.
THOSE WERE COMMENTS TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM WHAT MISS SUSAN
JOHNSON-VELEZ SAID.
AND I WOULD ASK HER TO GO ASK YOU -- ASK HER, YOU KNOW, DOES
THIS MEET THE CRITERIA OF A SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP.
THAT EXAMPLE I JUST GAVE.
SHE SAID IN THE WORKSHOP THAT DOES NOT COUNT AS A
SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP.
WE ABSOLUTELY THINK THAT -- YOU KNOW, THEY KNEW WHAT THEY
WERE BUYING.
THEY BOUGHT THE LAND.
THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.
22 UNITS ON THE SITE.
I BELIEVE THE SITE CAN ONLY HOLD SEVEN UNITS.
LIKE A RS-75 OCCUPANCY USE ON A RM-24 SITE WITH NO PARKING.
ABSOLUTELY I BELIEVE THIS IS A SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP.
FROM ALL THE OTHER COMMENTS THERE ARE DOES NOT MEET THE
REQUIREMENTS FOR THE VARIANCE.
WE GET INTO THE NONCONFORMITY SECTION.
AS RESIDENTS, THESE ARE PROTECTIONS WE HAVE IN THE CODE.
WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO RELY ON THIS.
AND YOU KNOW, IT DOES NOT MEET THE NONCONFORMING SECTION AND
I WILL READ RIGHT NOW, A NONCONFORMING USE MAY NOT BE IN
LARGE EXTENDED AND INTENSIFIED EXCEPT FOR A CHANGE TO A USE
IN THE DIRECT -- IN THE DISTRICT OF WHICH THE PROPERTY IS
LOCATED EXCEPT AS PROVIDED BELOW.
A NONCONFORMING USE SHALL NOT BE EXTENDED THROUGH PORTIONS
OF A BUILDING MANIFESTLY ARRANGED.
AND A NONCONFORMING USE CANNOT EXTEND TO OCCUPY LAND OUTSIDE
SUCH BUILDING AND ANY ADDITIONAL BUILDING NOT USED FOR SUCH
NONCONFORMING USE AT THE TIME THE NONCONFORMING STATUS WAS
ESTABLISHED.
WE THINK IT IS CRYSTAL CLEAR YOU CAN'T EXTEND THIS USE INTO
THE BUILDING AND THE BUILDING CAN'T GET ANY BIGGER.
AND I HAVE IN THE RECORD IN THE NONCONFORMING SECTIONS.
I CAN GO BACK OVER HERE.
I HIGHLIGHTED NOTES THROUGH THE NONCONFORMING SECTIONS WHERE
WE THINK THIS IS IN VIOLATION THE NONCONFORMING SECTIONS,
AND, THEREFORE, IT DOES NOT PROTECT OUR INTERESTS AT ALL.
IT ACTUALLY DENIES US OUR RIGHTS UNDER THE LAND DEVELOPMENT
CODE.
NOW THIS IS REALLY INTERESTING.
THIS IS ALL FOR PRESERVATION, RIGHT.
SO WHAT I DID -- AND THE NEXT SECTION -- AND I BELIEVE
COUNCILPERSON HURTAK, THIS WILL ADDRESS SOME OF YOUR
QUESTIONS.
I PUT IN THERE WHEN THEY BOUGHT IT.
THIS PROPERTY HAS WORKED FINE UNTIL THIS OWNER BOUGHT IT.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE ACROSS FROM THERE.
I HAVE BEEN ON THE ISLAND OVER 20 YEARS, IT WAS OCCUPIED.
I WENT TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S RECORDS AND IN MAY OF
2022, IT LISTED THAT THE PROPERTY WAS 96% OCCUPIED.
IT APPEARS THAT REASONABLE USE IS NOT AN ISSUE I STARTED
COLOR CODING THINGS TO SHOW WHAT IS GOING TO CHANGE AND
SORRY MY ARTWORK IS NOT VERY GOOD LOOKS AT A FIRST-GRADER --
I AM NOT AS GOOD AS A FIRST-GRADER.
EVERYTHING IN GREEN ARE THINGS THAT ARE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES.
IF YOU LOOK ON THIS SITE RIGHT HERE, YOU GOT SIGNIFICANT
MASS DOWN HERE THAT WILL BE RIGHT UP AGAINST THE STREET.
AND ALL THOSE Xs, THOSE ARE WINDOWS THAT WILL BE GONE.
WE ARE NOT SURE IT WILL MEET HISTORIC PRESERVATION
STANDARDS.
OVER HERE, AGAIN LOOK AT ALL THE WINDOWS, LOSING A WINDOW
FROM A DOUBLE WINDOW ON THEIR SITE PLAN.
I WENT TO THEIR SITE PLAN AND COPIED OUT WHERE IT SAID A
WINDOW WILL BE BLOCKED HERE IS THE FRONT COURTYARD WILL HAVE
THIS WHOLE HUGE CONTEMPORARY LOOKING ELEVATOR AND THEN WHERE
I MARKED EVERYTHING UP ON THE INDIVIDUAL PARTS OF THE PLAN.
BUT IF YOU COME OVER HERE AND LOOK AT THIS.
IF YOU LOOK ON THESE PAGES, YOU CAN SEE --
03:02:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
UPSIDE DOWN.
03:02:53PM >> IT HAS ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED THAT THE FOOTPRINT WILL GO
FURTHER OUT TO THE STREET.
LOOK AT THAT GLASS ENCLOSURE.
APPEARS TO BE GLASS ENCLOSURE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE, BUT COMPARE THAT CIRCLE TO WHAT
IS RIGHT ABOVE.
LOOK HERE WHERE YOU GOT THE -- THREE OR FOUR WINDOWS WITH
THE SMALL ROOF DOWN THERE.
THAT IS BEING EXPANDED.
THEY ARE MAKE A LOT OF CHANGES THIS RIGHT HERE WILL SMELL
YOU WHERE WINDOWS ARE BEING X'ED OUT.
WE DON'T KNOW IT WILL BE HISTORIC OR ANY REQUIREMENT IT WILL
REMAIN HISTORIC AFTER THIS IS DONE.
WE THINK THIS IS A HUGE ISSUE SAND VERY PROBLEMATIC THEN
HOUSING AFFORDABILITY.
I THINK YOU ALTHOUGH I HAVE BEEN IN THE AREA HOUSING FINANCE
FOR 30 YEARS.
I AM A MUNICIPAL FINANCIAL ADVISOR FOR A LARGE COUNTY IN THE
STATE OF FLORIDA.
I HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR THEM OVER 40 YEARS.
AND BEFORE THAT, I WORKED WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING
DEVELOPERS.
TAMPA GENERAL HOSPITAL IS 3/10 OF A MILE FROM THIS SITE.
WE HAVE GOT A HUGE, HUGE TENANT BASED ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING
CRISIS FOR TAMPA GENERAL TO BUILD ITS OWN.
IT SEEMS LIKE AND HAVE HOUSING THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR
RESIDENTS THAT ARE LESS CAR DEPENDENT IN A NORMAL COMMUNITY.
MAY I HAVE ONE MORE MINUTE, PLEASE?
03:04:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
03:04:29PM >> THANK YOU MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
03:04:32PM >> THANK YOU.
03:04:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHO IS NEXT?
BATTER UP.
03:04:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SHE COMPLETED HER TIME.
THIS WASN'T SUBMITTED TO ME AT THE START OF THE HEARING.
IS THAT A NAME THAT WASN'T CALLED?
03:04:57PM >> I DON'T --
03:04:59PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHOSE NAME IS THAT?
03:05:01PM >> LINDA TISCHNER.
03:05:03PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
LINDA TISCHNER IS NOT ON THE ORIGINAL LIST
WHEN I GAVE THE NAMES.
03:05:10PM >> WHO DO YOU HAVE ON THE ORIGINAL LIST MR. SHELBY THAT WAS
HANDED THAT YOU READ OFF.
THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL LIST.
WHERE DID THE NEW COME FROM.
03:05:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT IS NOT HOW IT WORKS.
03:05:40PM >> I WILL RESPECT THE BOARD.
I WILL CONVEY MY POINTS.
03:05:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I AM NOT ACCEPTING IT.
03:05:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WHO IS THE NEXT SPEAKER.
03:05:50PM >> LINDA TISCHMAN IS HERE.
HELLO.
THANK YOU.
HARUN ILIAS.
AND ALISON DATE.
MISS BENNETT HAVE THREE ADDITIONAL MINUTES FOR SIX MINUTES.
03:06:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
STATE YOUR NAME.
03:06:20PM >> HI, CARROLL ANN BENNETT, A LIFE-LONG TAMPA RESIDENT.
I DID NOT THINK THIS IS PROPERLY A VARIANCE.
PERHAPS IT SHOULD BE A REZONING, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT STAFF DID NOT CONSIDER MANY IMPORTANT CODE REQUIREMENTS.
AND THE VRB SPECIFICALLY SAID THEY COULD NOT CONSIDER MANY
IMPORTANT CODE REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS TREE RETENTION, GREEN
SPACE AND THE ALLOWED OF PERVIOUS SERVICE.
THIS BEAUTIFUL TREE WILL BE DESTROYED AND NO ROOM FOR TREE
MITIGATION.
MORE MONEY WILL BE ADDED TO THE TREE TRUST FUND THAT THE
CITY CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO SPEND AND NOT RESULTING IN MORE
TREES.
A SO-CALLED GREEN ROOF THAT THEY SAY THEY ARE GOING TO DO
DOES NOT SATISFY CODE REQUIREMENTS AND NOT PERMEABLE.
SAID THAT THESE AND OTHER ISSUE ALSO BE MAGICALLY RESOLVED
AT PERMITTING.
MY GUESS IS THEY WILL BE RESOLVED WHEN THIS BUILDING WILL BE
DAMAGED WHEN THEY TRY TO LIFT IT AND BUILD A NEW BUILDING
WITH ONE-FOOT SETBACKS.
BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY, VARIANCES RUN WITH THE
LAND, AND A FUTURE OWNER COULD CONTEST ANY RESTRICTIONS THAT
CONFLICT TO ESTABLISHED VARIANCE LAW AND PRACTICE.
IF A FUTURE OWNER SUES THE CITY OVER THIS, WILL THE CITY
CHOOSE TO SPEND TIME AND RESOURCES IN A COURT OF LAW?
DO WE WANT OUR TIME AND RESOURCES SPENT THIS WAY WHEN YOU
CAN JUST DENY THE IMPROPER ILLEGAL VARIANCE.
A LOT OF MONEY TO BE MADE IF THEY GET A ONE-FOOT SETBACK.
SO A SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL INCENTIVE FOR FUTURE OWNER TO
FIGHT FOR THE NORMAL LEGAL PRACTICE THAT VARIANCES RUN WITH
THE LAND.
I DON'T KNOW THE RATING OF THE CURRENT OAK TREE AND THE
COURT ADD, EVEN IF IN GOOD CONDITION, ROOM TO PLAN A NEW LIVE
OAK THAT CAN HAPPEN IF YOU APPROVE THE VARIANCE.
A LOVELY PERMEABLE SURFACE THAT MITIGATES FLOODING THIS LAND
WILL BE TREELESS.
A CRAWL SPACE UNDER THE WHERE THAT WATER WITH FLOW AND BEST
PRACTICES FOR FLOODING.
THEY OFFER FLOODING DISCOUNTS.
I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT BECAUSE I GET THE DISCOUNT ON MY
HOME.
THAT SURFACE IS 100% PERMEABLE.
IF THIS PERMIT IS APPROVED, IT WILL BE 100% IMPERMEABLE.
ADDITIONAL PERMITS FOR PERVIOUS AND GREEN SPACE.
VARIANCE REQUIRES THEM TO COMPLY WITH ALL OF CHAPTER 27, NOT
JUST SOME OF CHAPTER 27.
27-292 SAYS THE INTENT OF THIS CHAPTER THAT NONCONFORMITY
WILL NOT BE USED AS GROUNDS FOR ADDITION OF STRUCTURES OR
ENLARGING OF EXPANSION EXPANSION.
NOT COMPLYING WITH 27-292.
THEY ARE LAUNCHING THE BUILDING BY TURNING A GRASS COURTYARD
INTO A GARAGE THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE VESTED FOOTPRINT AND
NOT REQUESTED A VARIANCE FOR 27-292.
IN ADDITION, THEY WILL HAVE TO REQUEST ADDITIONAL VARIANCE
FOR IMPERVIOUS SURFACES AND GREEN SPACES AND HAVE NOT
REQUESTED THOSE.
THEY WILL HAVE TO REQUEST ALL OF THE VARIANCES OF ONE TIME.
FLORIDA LAW IS CLEAR.
THAT A MERE ECONOMIC DAMAGE OR THE OWNER'S MERE PRESENCE IS
NOT SUFFICIENT TO CONSTITUTE A HARDSHIP EN TITLING THE OWNER
TO A VARIANCE.
A HARDSHIP IS WHERE THE PROPERTY IS VIRTUALLY UNUSABLE OR
INCAPABLE OF YIELDING REASONABLE RETURN AND HARDSHIP NEWS BE
UNRELATED TO THE EXPECTATIONS OF THEIR OWNERS.
THEY BOUGHT THIS IN 2022.
THESE APARTMENTS ARE CURRENTLY YIELDING A REASONABLE RETURN
AND SERVE A WONDERFUL PURPOSE.
THEY ARE PERFECT FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT A CAR.
THE CITY IS UNDER PRESSURE FOR A LOT PRESSURE TO REDUCE
PARKING BECAUSE WE NEED MORE PEOPLE WITH CAR-FREE OR
CAR-REDUCED LIFESTYLE.
THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX IS REASONABLY SUCCESSFUL AND HAVE
REASONABLE USE.
I WOULD ARGUE MORE THAN REASONABLE USE BECAUSE ALLOW A MUCH
GREATER DENSITY AND MORE UNITS THAN THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED BY
A CONFORMING STRUCTURE.
THEY HAVE REASONABLE USE.
WHAT THEY DON'T HAVE IS EXTRA PROFIT BY HAVING UNITS WITH
THE AMENITY OF A GARAGE OR THE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL OF AN
APARTMENT COMPLEX WITH A ONE-FOOT SETBACK IF THIS BUILDING
IS ACCIDENTALLY DESTROYED.
THEY WANT A GARAGE TO MAKE MORE MONEY.
THAT IS NOT LEGAL HARDSHIP.
VARIANCE LAW IS CLEAR.
WANT A GARAGE IS NOT A HARDSHIP, EVEN IF YOU LIKE THE
PROJECT.
IT MUST NOT BE APPROVED BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MEET THE LEGAL
REQUIREMENTS FOR A VARIANCE.
PLEASE APPROVE THE APPEAL AND DENY THE VARIANCE.
THANK YOU.
AND I AM GOING TO SUBMIT THIS FOR THE RECORD.
MY CITATIONS AND THE SOURCE OF MY CITATIONS.
03:10:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WHO IS NEXT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
YES, MA'AM.
DO YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM AS WELL?
03:11:06PM >> PARDON?
03:11:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DO YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM AS
WELL?
03:11:09PM >> NO.
03:11:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
COME ON UP AND STATE YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
03:11:14PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, LORRAINE PARRINO.
I LIVED ON DAVIS ISLAND SINCE 1977.
I CHAIR THE DAVIS ISLAND SAVE ASSOCIATION TREE PROTECTION
AND RESTORATION COMMITTEE.
SINCE 2016, I CHAIRED THAT.
I REALLY CAME HERE TO DONATE SOME MINUTES, BUT SINCE SHE
DIDN'T NEED ANY, I AM GOING TO SPEAK KIND OF IMPROMPTU.
MY MAIN CONCERN IS THAT -- I LOOK AT THAT BEAUTIFUL BUILDING
WHEN I COME ON TO THE ISLAND EVERY TIME I LEAVE IT.
AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT PRESERVED THE WAY IT IS.
MR. STANLEY -- ANOTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS THAT MR. STANLEY
STATED THAT THIS IS A VERY DANGEROUS CORNER.
IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN TO THE WEST SIDE OF DAVIS BOULEVARD
TRYING TO TURN LEFT, YOU KNOW, TO EXIT THE ISLAND, YOU WILL
SEE HOW DANGEROUS AND DIFFICULT IT IS.
I WOULD NEVER WANT TO LIVE ON THAT SIDE OF THE -- OF DAVIS
BOULEVARD BECAUSE I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE TURNING LEFT.
AND RIGHT THERE IS -- WHERE THIS BUILDING IS LOCATED IS
WHERE THE CARS ARE COMING ON TO DAVIS ISLAND ALL THE TIME.
SO I IMAGINE ADDING 22 OR 40 EXTRA SPACES AND ALL THOSE
PEOPLE TRYING TO TURN LEFT WHILE OTHER PEOPLE ARE COMING ON
TO THE ISLAND.
AND I THINK ESPECIALLY IN PEAK-HOUR TRAFFIC TIMES AND IN
CASE OF AN EMERGENCY EVACUATION.
IT WOULD BE A REAL PROBLEM.
AS FAR AS I KNOW, ALMOST NONE OF THE BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC
MEDITERRANEAN-STYLE BUILDINGS CONSTRUCTED ON DAVIS ISLAND
CONSTRUCTED IN THE 1920s ARE HISTORICALLY PRESERVED AND WE
LOST TOO MANY OF THEM ALREADY.
EVEN D.P. DAVIS'S HOME THAT WAS BUILT -- WHEN DAVIS ISLAND
WAS CONSTRUCTED, IT IS RECENTLY UP FOR SALE AND
THEORETICALLY WHOEVER BUY IT IS CAN TEAR IT DOWN.
WE NODE TO SAVE OUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS WHENEVER HE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO.
THIS BEAUTIFUL BUILDING WAS FULLY OCCUPIED BEFORE IT WAS
PURCHASED IN 1921.
DAVIS ISLAND THIS YEAR IS CELEBRATING ITS 100-YEAR
ANNIVERSARY.
AND THE DAVIS ISLAND CIVIC ASSOCIATION OPPOSED THIS
VARIANCE.
AS A THIRD-GENERATION TAMPA RESIDENT WHO SEEN TAMPA LOSE
MUCH TOO MUCH OF THE CHARM AND AMBIENCE THAT I GREW UP TO
NEW CONSTRUCTION, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS 100-YEAR-OLD
BUILDING PRESERVED FOR FUTURE USE.
AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT RETURNED TO ITS FORMER USE.
FOR ALL THE REASONS STATED ABOVE AND FOR THE CONTINUED
BEAUTIFUL, AMBIENCE AND THE SAFETY OF DAVIS ISLAND, PLEASE
APPROVE THE APPEAL AND DENY THE VARIANCE.
THANK YOU.
03:14:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
NEXT SPEAKER.
A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
03:14:21PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
HOLD ON A SECOND.
CATHERINE HERE.
ONE ADDITIONAL MINUTE.
FOUR MINUTES.
03:14:27PM >> MARIAN HANLON.
MY FAMILY OWNS THE BUILDING RIGHT BEHIND 16 DAVIS AT 20
DAVIS BOULEVARD.
I JUST WANT TO HIT ON SOME POINTS.
I WILL READ REAL FAST.
WE HAVE 20 RESIDENTS LIVING AT 20 DAVIS WHICH IS DIRECTLY
BEHIND VILLA DeLEON.
OUR BUILDING STAYS 100% OCCUPIED TEN UNIT, TWO BEDROOM, TWO
BATH UNIT.
OUR BUILDING HAS NEVER FLOODED SINCE 1963.
WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A RENTAL BUILDING SINCE NEXT TO THE
BUILDING.
WE HAVE PLUMBING THAT GOES STRAIGHT DOWN THE -- IN BETWEEN
THE TWO BUILDINGS RIGHT THERE WHICH I AM CONCERNED.
AT THE LAST MEETING THE CITY CONSULTANT SAID VIBRATIONS DUE
TO THE LIFTING PROCESS.
HOW LONG WILL THE PROCESS BE?
THE DEVELOPER GUARANTEE US THE POSSIBLE LOSS OF INCOME,
DAMAGE TO OUR BUILDING AND OUR RESIDENTS' SAFETY?
HOW WILL THEY GUARANTEE THIS?
HE SAID HE HAS INSURANCE FOR THIS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING YET.
I WANT TO GUARANTEE THAT MY RESIDENTS WILL BE SAFE AND
GUARANTEED DURING THIS PROCESS.
WILL THE DEVELOPER PUT SOMETHING BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS?
YOU KNOW, I AM JUST NERVOUS -- THIS BUILDING IS JACKED UP ON
THESE JACKS, WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN?
I AM RIGHT THERE.
I AM JUST EXTREMELY NERVOUS OF THE SITUATION.
I DO NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE UNLESS GIVEN WRITTEN GUARANTEES
AND ASSURANCES AND WRITING FROM THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER
THAT THE DRAINAGE, SAFETY OF MY RESIDENTS AND BUILDING WILL
BE PROTECTED.
I REALLY THINK CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS NEED TO BE IN PLACE
BEFORE SOMETHING OF THIS MAGNITUDE IS ALLOWED.
I AM JUST -- YOU KNOW, I JUST FEEL THAT -- HE IS PUTTING HIS
NEIGHBORS AT RISK.
AND CREATING THE HARDSHIP ON US NOW.
HE SAYS IT IS DUE TO FLOODING, BUT I NEVER HAD ONE APARTMENT
FLOOD SINCE WE BUILT THE BUILDING.
ALSO WITH THE CEMENT GARAGE, HOW IS HE DOING THE
VENTILATION?
I HAVE BACK DOORS.
I HAVE WINDOWS.
IS EXHAUST GOING TO BE COME ING INTO TO MY BUILDING?
I NEED HELP AND MAKE SURE THAT MY PROPERTY IS PROTECTED.
THANK YOU.
03:16:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NEXT SPEAKER.
03:17:06PM >> I WAS NOT SWORN IN.
I AM SORRY.
I WAS LOOKING FOR PARKING.
03:17:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT IS ALL RIGHT.
IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN SWORN IN AND YOU ARE SPEAKING, PLEASE
STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND WE WILL SWEAR YOU IN.
03:17:16PM >> I DO.
03:17:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
STATE YOUR NAME.
03:17:25PM >> LINDA MISNER, AT 55 ADALIA.
I LIVED ON ADALIA FOR EVERY 30 YEARS.
I OWN MULTIPLE PROPERTIES IN SOUTH TAMPA AND DAVIS ISLAND
AND I OWN A 100-YEAR-OLD STRUCTURE.
I WENT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WITH MR. SLESINGLER.
I WANT TO QUOTE HIS EXACT WORDS WHEN WE ASKED HIM WHY HE
NEEDED THIS VARIANCE.
HE SAID IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, I WANT THE RIGHT TO BUILD IT
BACK.
HIS EXACT WORDS.
SO LET'S NOT PRETEND THAT THEY WON'T TRY TO KEEP THIS
VARIANCE IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THAT BUILDING.
IF A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE IS DAMAGED THEY WANT THE RIGHT TO
BUILD IT BACK.
THEY WANT TO MAINTAIN THE ONE-FOOT SIDE SETBACKS AND WANT TO
MAINTAIN THIS DENSITY.
OKAY, THAT IS GREAT.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO AT THE EXPENSE OF THE
STREET AND THE NEIGHBORS AND THE FLOODING AND THE PERMEABLE
LAND THAT IS JUST KIND OF RIDICULOUS.
BEN SAID HE HAVEN'T HEARD A SINGLE NEIGHBOR SPEAK AGAINST
THE PARKING.
THE THIRD TIME HE HEARD ME SPEAK AND I HAVE TWO LETTERS ON
RECORD WITH THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD AS A NEIGHBOR I AM
AGAINST THIS PARKING STRUCTURE.
SO I KNOW HE HAS HEARD NEIGHBORS SPEAK AGAINST THIS PARK.
OKAY, SO I AM STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY THE VARIANCE
REVIEW BOARD APPROVED THE VARIANCE.
I WAS AT THAT MEETING.
I SPOKE AT THAT MEETING.
I SAW THEM HAND A NEW SITE PLAN OVER IN THE MEETING.
AND IN THE MEETING WITHOUT EVERYBODY REVIEWING IT FROM THE
CITY.
WITHOUT EVERYBODY LOOKING AT IT WITHOUT THE VRB SAYING IT
WAS DIFFERENT FROM THE ONE IN THE APPLICATION.
THEY VOTED ON IT AND IMPROVED IT.
HOW DO THEY DO THAT?
AGAINST THEIR OWN RULES AND REGULATIONS.
THEY VOTED ON A SITE PLAN HANDED TO THEM IN THE MEETING.
THAT RIGHT THERE SHOULD TELL US ALL IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN
APPROVED.
OKAY, SO THEN, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE HARDSHIP.
THEY -- I HEARD THEM SAY FEMA IS MAKING THEM DO IT.
THE INSURANCE IS MAKING THEM DO IT.
IT FLOODS.
KNOW WHAT?
IT DOESN'T FLOOD.
THEY DO NOTHING TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY HONESTLY, BUT FEMA
IS NOT MAKING THEM DO THIS.
THIS IS A SELF-IMPOSED HARDSHIP.
THEY WANT MORE PARKING.
THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO RENT THOSE APARTMENTS FOR MORE THAN
WHAT THEY ARE RENTING THEM FOR.
THEY WANT MORE PARKING.
THEY HAVE NO PARKING SPACES.
THEY HAVE NO PROPERTY.
THEY BOUGHT THE LAND NEXT DOOR AND THEY PUT SHELVES ON IT
AND TRIED TO USE IT AS PARKING AND GOT IN TROUBLE FOR THAT.
SO THEY DO NOT NEED THIS.
TO SAY THEY ARE NOT CHANGING THE FOOTPRINT HAVE WRONG.
THEY HAVE A HORSESHOE, TREES AND GRASS AND PERMEABLE LAND
AND CLOSE THAT HORSE SHOE AND PUT A PARKING STRUCK UNDER IT
THAT IS FULLY CEMENT AND CLOSED.
CHANGING THE FOOTPRINT CAUSING ADDITIONAL FLOODING AT AN
ALREADY DANGEROUS INTERSECTION.
THEY WILL ADD MORE CARS.
AS A NEIGHBOR, WE DON'T WANT THIS.
03:20:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:20:33PM >> THANK YOU.
03:20:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NEXT SPEAKER.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
YES, MA'AM.
03:20:38PM >> MY NAME IS PEG DAVIS.
BLANCA AVENUE ON DAVIS ISLAND, AND I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
MY CONCERN IS THAT THIS -- THE NONCONFORMING LANGUAGE
APPLIES TO THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.
AND ALL THE DIAGRAMS WE SAW FROM PREVIOUS LISTS DIDN'T HAVE
ANYTHING UNDERNEATH WHEN THEY LIFTED UP HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
SO BASICALLY TWO DIFFERENT STRUCTURES GOING ON HERE.
THE NONCONFORMING THAT IS BEING LIFTED.
AND THEN A NEW PARKING GARAGE THAT GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE
LIMITS OF THE LOTS WHEN YOU DO THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY
DIDN'T CONSIDER AT THE HAVE,RB MEETING, THE PUBLIC WELFARE
OF THE STREET AND DRAINAGE WHEN YOU TAKE A CONCRETE
STRUCTURE WITHOUT BREAKAWAY WALLS WHICH ARE REQUIRED.
YOU CAN TAKING ALL THAT CONCRETE AND PUTTING IT ON DAVIS
BOULEVARD.
RIGHT THERE ON DAVIS BOULEVARD, ONE OF THE LOWEST MANHOLES
IN THE WHOLE ISLAND.
5,000 PEOPLE, THEIR WELFARE HAS TO GET ON AND OFF THE DAVIS
ISLAND AND INTO PROVISION BECAUSE OF THIS SETBACK -- THAT
THE -- THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD'S DECISION TO ALLOW
EXISTING SETBACKS TO STAND IN ONE FOOT ALL AROUND.
NO ROOM FOR RECESSION, DETENTION OF THIS NEW STRUCTURE WHICH
IS THE PARKING GARAGE.
AND I THINK THAT WAS NOT CONSIDERED AND IT SHOULD BE.
THAT'S IT.
THANK YOU.
03:22:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, MA'AM.
03:22:09PM >> THAT IS ANOTHER GIFT FROM MY FRIEND, DEBBIE.
03:22:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM?
03:22:25PM >> NO, I DON'T HAVE ONE.
I DON'T NEED ONE.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
YOU KNOW THIS HARDSHIP IS SELF-CREATED.
THIS IS A NEW TERM "DEMOLITION BY VARIANCE."
LET'S GET A VARIANCE IF WE TEAR THE BUILDING DOWN BY
ACCIDENT, WE BUILD WHATEVER THE HELL WE WANT.
THAT IS WHAT IS GOING ON HERE.
I HAVE TO AGREE WITH LINDA THAT -- WHO IS ONE OF MY FRIENDS
-- AND I HAVE TO AGREE WITH HER.
THIS IS ALL ABOUT BUILDING BACK.
IT IS NOT ABOUT WHAT IS THERE NOW.
I WOULD OFFER TO YOU THIS IS A SERIOUS SAFETY ISSUE.
SO THEY GO TO PUT THIS BUILDING UP ON JACKS TO BUILD THIS.
IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
WE ARE GOING FROM -- REMEMBER THIS HAS A CRAWL SPACE UNDER
IT AND A COURTYARD.
SO THIS IS COMPLETELY PERVIOUS AT THIS POINT WITH THE
EXCEPTION OF THE OUTSIDE -- THE OUTSIDE STRUCTURES IN THE --
IN THE PYLONS THAT KEEP IT OFF THE GROUND.
I HAVE GOT NEWS FOR YOU AS SOMEBODY THAT OWNS PROPERTY, THIS
IS -- I JUST LOOKED IT UP ON THE FEMA MAP, IT IS IN THE A-E
FLOOD ZONE.
LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, IF EVERYBODY IN THE A-E FLOOD
ZONE HAD TO JACK THEIR BUILDING UP AND PUT THEIR HOUSE
HIGHER, WE WOULD BE SOME BROKE FOLKS IN TAMPA THAT IS A
CROCK OF CRAP THAT FEMA IS MAKING THEM DO ANYTHING.
DON'T LET THEM PEE ON YOUR LEG AND LET YOU TELL YOU IT IS
RAINING.
STORMWATER.
I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR HOW THIS WILL IMPACT STORMWATER BUT WE
DON'T GET TO AT THIS PHASE.
AND I AM GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT WE HAVE GOT GOING ON HERE
AND THIS IS MY FAVORITE.
WE ARE JUST TRYING TO RAISE THIS BUILDING BY RAISING IT.
THAT'S ALL THIS IS.
THE BIGGEST JOKE.
WE GOT THE -- NEXT DOOR THEY WANTED TO BUILD AN ELEVATOR
PARKING GARAGE THING.
THAT DIDN'T FLY.
THEN THEY COME UP WITH THIS.
I MEAN IT IS LIKE, LOOK, YOU BOUGHT SOMETHING.
SUCK IT UP, BUTTER CUP.
THIS IS JUST GETTING TO THE WHERE IT IS ABSOLUTELY ABSURD.
THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, KEEP THROWING IT AT THE WALL AND
SEE WHAT STICKS.
A POT OF SPAGHETTI AND THROW TO THE FALL AND SEE WHAT
STICKS.
THIS IS CRAP.
CRAP BEFORE IT WENT BEFORE THE VARIANCE BOARD AND THE
LEGITIMATE REASONS THAT MY FRIENDS CAME UP TO TELL YOU.
I AM TELLING YOU THE REAL DEAL.
A CRAPPY PLAN.
A DANGEROUS PLAN.
WHAT ABOUT THOSE FOLKS THAT LIVE DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR.
SO THEY GET THIS BUILDING UP HERE AND SOMETHING HAPPENS AND
FALLS DOWN ON THEIR APARTMENT BUILDING AND THEY ARE DEAD.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FEEL ABOUT IT THEN?
THAT IS A SAFETY ISSUE.
ONE FOOT AWAY FROM THAT OTHER BUILDING.
WHAT HAPPENS THEN?
WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING IN PRESIDENT
APARTMENTS NEXT DOOR?
WHAT HAPPENS TO THE CAR THAT ARE DRIVING ON AND OFF DAVIS
ISLAND WHILE THEY HAVE THE BUILDING JACKED UP.
I AM SORRY, I SAW TO THAT CONDO.
IT WAS A HELL OF A LOT MORE STRUCTURALLY COMPETENT THAN
JACKING SOMETHING UP THAN PUTTING SOMETHING UNDERNEATH IT.
LET'S NOT TALK STUPID AND LET THEM RAZE BY RAISING.
03:25:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER.
IF YOU WERE GOING TO SPEAK AND ABLE TO, LINE UP AGAINST THE
WALL SO WE CAN GET A NUMBER.
GIVE YOUR NAME.
03:25:45PM >> JILL SOLOMON.
03:25:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
03:25:49PM >> YES, OKAY, THANK YOU.
I WAS AT THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD BECAUSE MY HUSBAND AND I
HAD APPLIED FOR A VARIANCE OF OUR OWN.
SO I SAT THROUGH THAT TWO-HOUR MEETING.
AND WHAT I HEARD THE VARIANCE BOARD SAY WAS, I HEARD -- AT
THAT MEETING, I HEARD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS THAT I HAVE HEARD
TONIGHT OR THERE ARE AFTERNOON.
BUT THE VARIANCE BOARD REPEATEDLY SAID WE CAN ONLY RULE ON
THE OUTSIDE FOOT -- SETBACK.
WITH THE CURRENT BUILDING IS, THEY ARE NOT -- WHATEVER THAT
-- THE NUMBERS ARE, THE ONE-FOOT AND THE TWO-FOOT AND ALL
THAT ALREADY THAT IS WHERE IT IS.
AND THAT IS THE ONLY THING WE CAN RULE ON.
WE CAN NOT RULE ON TREES, IMPERMEABLE SURFACE OR ANY OF THE
OTHER CONCERNS YOU HAVE.
THIS IS THE ONLY THING THIS BOARD CAN DO.
SO I WANTED TO COME STATE THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS WHERE
THE ISSUE LIES.
RIGHT.
SO I AM A DAVIS ISLAND RESIDENT.
I LIVED ON DAVIS ISLAND SINCE 1987.
IF WE ARE GOING TO GO OFF TOPIC WHERE THE SETBACKS ARE, I
WOULD JUST SAY AS I SAT THROUGH THAT PRESENTATION, I, FOR
ONE, THOUGHT THAT WHAT THEY WOULD TO DO THIS BUILDING WOULD
MAYBE BE MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE.
AS FAR AS THE PARKING, I DON'T THINK THAT 2 PEOPLE OR 22
UNITS HAS ZERO CARS.
SO THEY HAVE TO BE PARKING ON THE STREET.
SO I THINK CONTAINING THAT PARKING WITHIN THE BUILDING WOULD
BE A REALLY GOOD IDEA.
BUT EVEN MORE THAN ADDING PARKING, I THINK JUST REENFORCING
THE STRUCTURE AND MAKING IT VERY SAFE FOR 100 --
99-AND-A-HALF-YEAR STRUCTURE.
BETTER FOR THE ISLAND TO BE REINFORCED AND BECOME A SAFER
PLACE.
JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THE VARIANCE BOARD SAID THIS IS WHAT
WE DO.
WE DO NOT DO ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.
SO I AM FOR IT.
BUT I THINK THEY MET THEIR REQUIREMENTS.
THANK YOU.
03:28:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILMEMBERS?
ALL RIGHT.
ANY -- YES?
03:28:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
FOR PURPOSES OF A COMPLETE RECORD.
IF ANY YOU HAVE ADDED ANY VERBAL EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS,
WILL YOU PLEASE --
03:28:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO VERBAL.
03:28:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THEY WERE WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS.
ANY VERBAL FOR THE RECORD?
I SEE NO RESPONSE.
I SEE NONE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:28:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY ADDITIONAL STAFF COMMENT AT THIS TIME?
NO?
MR. COTTON, NOTHING?
IS MR. COTTON ON?
NO?
03:29:06PM >>ERIC COTTON:
SORRY, NO, I DON'T.
03:29:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SIR, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL
COMMENTS?
03:29:14PM >>ERIC COTTON:
NO, SIR.
I DON'T.
03:29:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE WILL GO INTO REBUTTAL.
THE FIRST PERSON TO REBUT OR PARTY WILL BE THE ATTORNEY, MR.
MICHELINI'S REPRESENTATIVE, THE APPLICANT THERE.
YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL.
03:29:32PM >> I BELIEVE JUST HOUSEKEEPING.
I HAD ADDITIONAL TIME FROM MY ORIGINAL PRESENTATION INCLUDED
AS PART OF MY REBUTTAL.
I SHOULD HAVE APPROXIMATELY SEVEN MINUTES.
03:29:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ONE MINUTE, 37 SECONDS, PLUS THE FIVE
MINUTES.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN FOR THE RECORD.
03:29:50PM >> BEN DACHEPELLI ON BEHALF OF THE RESPONDENT.
REALLY QUICK, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE REBUTTAL
ITEMS THAT WE HEARD FROM BOTH PUBLIC COMMENT AND FROM
PETITIONER.
ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS OR ARGUMENTS THAT THE PARKING
DEFICIENCY IS SOMEWHAT SELF-IMPOSED PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY.
THAT IS ACTUALLY NOT TRUE, THE PARKING DEFICIENCY WAS NOT
CREATED BECAUSE THE ON-SITE PARKING AS I STATED IN THE
PRESENTATION WAS CREATED IN 1925 BEFORE ANY CODES WERE IN
EFFECT.
IMPORTANTLY, D.P. DAVIS ALWAYS INTENDED FOR PARKING TO EXIST
416 DAVIS BOULEVARD BECAUSE HISTORICAL PHOTOS SHOW THAT THAT
-- THAT THE DAVIS ISLAND PARKING GARAGE ORIGINALLY PROVIDED
PARKING FOR THESE APARTMENT RESIDENTS BUT WAS DEMOLISHED.
I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU.
THIS IS FROM A -- FROM A BOOK ABOUT THE HISTORY OF DAVIS
ISLAND.
AND SHOW THE PHOTOGRAPH.
AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS WAS ORIGINAL PARKING GARAGE
INTENDED FOR AUTOMOBILES OF PEOPLE WHO LIVED ON DAVIS
ISLAND.
THAT PARKING LOT WAS DESTROYED AND RESIDENTS OF 16 DAVIS NO
LONGER HAD PARKING THUS CREATING ALL THIS ADDITIONAL ON
STREET PARKING FOR THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING.
IN ADDITION -- AND I NEVER SUGGESTED THAT ANYONE WAS OPPOSED
TO THE PARKING ISSUE.
WHAT I SAID WAS THERE WAS MANY LETTERS SUPPORT IN THE RECORD
FOR DAVIS ISLAND RESIDENTS FOR THIS ADDITIONAL PARKING TO
TAKE PARKING OFF THE STREET.
THE PARKING GARAGE DOES DECREASE STREET PARK WIG THE D.I.
RESIDENTS SUPPORT, BUT I WANTED TO SUBMIT INTO EVIDENCE, THE
E-MAIL FROM JONATHAN SCOTT, THE CITY TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER
STATING THAT "NO ANTICIPATED INCREASE OF TRAFFIC AND VEHICLE
GENERATION" WILL RESULT FROM THIS PARKING GARAGE.
THE NEXT ITEM I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS ARE THE BUILDING
SETBACKS.
ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS WAS THE BUILDING SETBACKS MIGHT
CONFLICT WITH ANY FIRE SAFETY OR ANY SAFETY ISSUES THAT IS
NOT TRUE.
THE CITY OF TAMPA FIRE MARSHAL ARMED THEM, NO FIRE ISSUE
RELATED TO THE SETBACK AND I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT THAT
E-MAIL INTO EVIDENCE.
SUBJECT BUILDING HAD PRE-EXISTED.
PREEXISTED THE ADJACENT APARTMENT BUILDING THAT SOMEONE FROM
THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT THE BUILDING OWNER TALKED ABOUT.
16 DAVIS WAS ALWAYS THERE.
THIS OTHER BUILT IN CLOSE PROXIMITY WAS DONE AFTER 16 DAVIS
WAS DEVELOPED AND BUILT LITTLE BIT.
THE ADJACENT APARTMENTS WERE CONSTRUCTED CLOSE TO THAT
APARTMENT BOUNDARY, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
THE FIRE MARSHAL SAY NO KNOWN FIRE REGULATIONS LIFTING THE
STRUCTURE AND ANY FIRE DEVELOPMENTS WILL BE IDENTIFIED
DURING THE REVIEW PROCESS AND ANOTHER ITEM I WOULD LIKE TO
ADDRESS.
MANY COMMENTS OF TREE AND IMPERVIOUS SURFACE RATIOS AND
STORMWATER.
ALL OF THOSE ISSUES ARE COMPARING APPLE TO ORANGES.
FOR THIS PARTICULAR VARIANCE, THE ONLY THING GERMANE IF HER
INCREASING THE CURRENT NONCONFORMITIES.
THE ONLY NONEXISTING CONFORMITIES ARE THE SETBACKS AND
DENSITY.
LIFTING THIS BUILDING DOES NOT INCREASE EITHER SO ALL THESE
OTHER ISSUES ARE EFFECTIVELY RED HEARINGS THAT WILL BE
ADDRESSED DURING THE PERMITTING PROCESS AND WE WILL BE GLAD
TO DO THAT SPECIFICALLY AS IT RELATES TO THE TREE.
WE CONTAINED MR. RICKY PETERIKA OF DARK MOSS AS A CONSULTANT
TO HELP US ADDRESS AND ALLEVIATE CONCERNS WITH THE TREE.
WE WILL ADDRESS TREE RETENTION AT THE TIME OF PERMITTING.
ANY ALTERATIONS TO THE HISTORIC BUILDING.
MENTION OF REMOVING WINDOWS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH HISTORIC
CHARACTER.
THIS BUILDING IS A FEDERAL LANDMARK AS I STATED IN MY
PRESENTATION THAT THE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO YOU
AND NOT SUBJECT TO LOCAL DESIGNATION GUIDELINES.
FINALLY, I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE TRANSPARENCY AND THE
EFFORTS THAT MY CLIENT HAS MADE IN ORDER OF THE DAVIS ISLAND
RESIDENTS.
NOT RUN ON THE DICA BOARD AGREES WITH OPPOSING THIS
VARIANCE.
IN FACT, YOU HAVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT ON YOUR RECORD FROM
MR. PATRICK MURPHY, A BOARD MEMBER FROM DIC THAT SUPPORTS
THIS EFFORT AND MANY OTHER DAVIS ISLAND RESIDENTS THAT
SUPPORT IT, BUT WE HAD 94 LETTERS SENT TO SURROUNDING
PROPERTY OWNERS.
AND ONLY A HANDFUL OF THOSE 94 ARE OBJECTING.
WE HAD FIVE FORMAL MEET WITH DICA REPS AND THE IN DICA
BOARD.
A LOT TRANSPARENCY AND COMMUNICATION IN ORDER TO ADDRESS ALL
OF THIS.
AND THERE IS NO CONCERN ABOUT US WANTING TO DESTROY THIS
BUILDING BY RAISING IT.
AS YOU SEE WITH THE APPROVAL LETTER WE CAN NOT BUILD WHAT IS
CURRENTLY THERE.
MR. COTTON EVEN SAID THAT.
THIS IS WHY HE INCLUDED THE SPECIFIC CONDITION THAT IF THE
BUILDING GETS DESTROYED, WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE CURRENT
CODES IN AFFECT AT THE TIME VERY IMPORTANT DISTINCTION AND
MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE CONDITION ACTUALLY INCLUDES.
FINALLY, RECORD EVIDENCE THAT HAS BEEN SUBMIT IS DOCUMENTARY
EVIDENCE THAT IS SUBSTANTIAL AND COMPETENT THAT YOU AS A
BODY CAN -- CAN TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.
I AM NOT HERE TESTIFYING AS A FACT WITNESS, THAT IS TRUE,
BUT THE A YOU WILL THE DOCUMENTATION THAT IS IN THE RECORD
ARE ALL COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AND FOR THAT REASON,
WE WILL RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU UPHOLD THE VR B'S
UNANIMOUS NEWS DECISION TO GRANT THE VARIANCE BECAUSE THERE
IS NO CHANGE TO THE SETBACK AND NO CHANGE TO THE DENSITY
WHICH ARE THE ONLY TWO NONCONFORMING USES.
THANK YOU.
03:36:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AT THIS TIME, WE WILL HAVE REBUTTAL BY MR. STEVEN STANLEY.
03:36:25PM >> IT WILL BE SUSAN SWIFT.
03:36:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT IS FINE.
GO AHEAD.
YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.
SUSAN SWIFT, AICP.
FOX ENGINEERING.
FIRST, I WANTED TO CLARIFY, I THINK WHAT I HEARD TONIGHT WAS
FROM MR. COTTON WAS THAT THE COURTYARD, THE STAFF DETERMINED
THAT THE COURTYARD WAS NOT IN EXPANSION BUT THE FRONT OF THE
BUILDING TOWARD THE INTERSECTION WAS A EXPANSION OF A
NONCONFORMING USE.
AND SPECIFICALLY IN A RENDERING THAT THE GARAGE DOOR WAS,
WAS SHOWN.
I AM NOT SURE IF HE IS ON THE ONLINE OR IF YOU CAN CONFIRM
THAT IF THAT IS SOMETHING YOU CAN TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
IF THAT IS THE CASE, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT ANALYSIS
WRITTEN.
AND A LEGAL OPINION THAT SOME DAY AFTER TODAY TO THAT
EFFECT.
THE -- THESE WERE TWO OF MY SLIDES THAT -- I KNOW -- I --
THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SAID A LOT OF THINGS WILL BE DURING
THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
I BELIEVE FROM ALL THE VARIANCE -- OTHER VARIANCES WE
ALREADY TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT, THAT MY CLIENTS ARE GOING TO
HAVE TO BE BARRAGED WITH EIGHT OR NINE MORE VARIANCES OR
DESIGN EXCEPTIONS BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF THIS PERMITTING
PROCESS.
BECAUSE THOSE THINGS DON'T HAPPEN DURING PERMITTING.
SO WE HAVE HEARD ABOUT STORMWATER.
WE HEARD ABOUT TREES.
WE HEARD ABOUT ALL THE THINGS THAT I LISTED JUST FROM MY
REVIEW OF THE SITE PLAN THAT ARE STILL TO COME.
AGAIN, A PD WOULD HAVE BEEN A WAY TO GO.
THE APPLICANT THOUGHT -- SAID IN A PUBLIC MEETING THAT HE
THOUGHT THAT WOULD TAKE TOO MUCH TIME.
THIS IS TAKING MUCH LONGER.
THE SITE PLANS, THE PARKING LOT LAYOUT, I THOUGHT THAT WAS
OFF THE TABLE, BUT TODAY, THE STAFF PRESENTED SHEETS OF A
SITE PLAN THAT WE THOUGHT WERE OFF THE TABLE BECAUSE WE
NEVER SAW THEM AT THE VRB MEETING.
WE CAN'T FIND THEM IN ACELA, AROUND I AM EVEN MORE CONCERNED
TODAY WHAT THE DECISION LETTER REPRESENTS BECAUSE AS MR.
STANLEY SHOWED, THERE IS ONLY THREE PAGES AND THE RENDERINGS
SHOULDN'T BE ON THERE.
AND THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT IS SHOWN, ILLEGIBLE AND THE
PARKING LAYOUT AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS NOT ON THE DECISION
LETTER.
THAT IS REALLY CONCERNING.
SO MY THE CONDITIONS AS WELL ON -- THE SECTION OF THE CODE
IS THE FIRST.
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN HAVE SECTIONS -- YOU CAN HAVE
CONDITIONS THAT BE UNDO YOUR CODE.
EVEN THE STAFF DID THIS RED LINE VERSION IN THEIR STAFF
REPORT.
AND THE VRB DIDN'T -- DIDN'T EVEN ADOPT WHAT THE STAFF
RECOMMENDED.
AND ESSENTIALLY SAYS TO THE EXTENT THAT STATE AGENCY
APPROVES OR ALLOWS SOMETHING SELLS.
THAT IS IMPROBABLE.
PRESERVATION OR NO PRESERVATION.
LASTLY, AS I SAID, THE SITE PLAN AND THESE CONDITIONS IN THE
DECISION LETTER ARE IN VALID.
THERE IS A SITE PLAN THAT IS A CUT AND PASTE WITH PICTURES.
THERE IS NO LEGEND.
IT DOESN'T SAY WHO PREPARED IT.
IT DOESN'T HAVE A DATE ON IT.
IT IS JUST A CUT OUT.
AND THE CONDITIONS ARE NOT WHAT YOUR STAFF RECOMMENDED.
EVEN IF IT WAS, THEY CAN NOT UNDO YOUR KEYED SECTION ON
NONCONFORMITIES.
AS I SAID TONIGHT WE HAVE SEEN OTHER STATE PLAN PAGES NOT IN
THIS DECISION LETTER WE HAVEN'T SEEN OR CERTAINLY HAVEN'T
SEEN IN THE VRB MEETING OR SEEM TO BE SWAPPED.
SO RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU OVERTURN THE VRB DECISION
AND THE VARIANCE.
03:40:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:40:55PM >> AS LONG AS WE HAVE FEW SECONDS LEFT.
STEVEN STANLEY ON BEHALF OF THE PETITIONER.
I WANT TO MAKE IT REAL CLEAR, A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION.
EXPANSION OF THAT BUILDING WITH THE GARAGE AND THE
ALLEVIATION OF THAT COURTYARD AND ALL THE GRASS AND CONCRETE
WITH CONCRETE BUILDING IS AN EXPANSION OF THE BUILDING AND
EXPANSION OF A NONCONFORMING USE AND AN EXPANSION OF A
NONCONFORMING STRUCTURE.
IT IS IN THE CODE.
THANK YOU.
FOR THOSE REASONS, THE VARIANCE NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN
GRANTED AND FOR THOSE REASONS, I ASK YOU TO OVERTURN THE
VARIANCE.
03:41:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MISS SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, ARE YOU COMING
UP.
03:41:42PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
IF EVERYBODY IS FINISHED, I DID ASK
COUNCIL FOR TIME AT THE END BEFORE YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC
HEARING TO OUTLINE WHAT YOUR OPTIONS ARE.
SO WHAT YOUR POSSIBLE ACTIONS ARE AS YOU DELIBERATE, YOU CAN
EITHER AFFIRM THE VRB DECISIONS AND YOU WILL BE AFFIRMING
THE APPROVAL.
YOU WILL BE DETERMINING THAT ALL THE FIVE VARIANCE CRITERIA
WERE MET, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IS REQUIRED, A VARIANCE IS A
DEVIATION FROM OUR CODE.
AND CONFIRM THE VRB DECISION WHICH MEANS ALL THE CRITERIA
ARE MET AND YOU WILL APPROVE THE SETBACK VARIANCE.
YOU CAN AFFIRM THE VRB DECISION WITH ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS
IF THEY ARE AGREED TO BY THE PROPERTY OWNER OR AUTHORIZED
AGENT DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
YOU CAN REMAND THE MATTER PACK TO THE VRB FOR FURTHER
PROCEEDINGS AND GIVE THEM DIRECTIONS INDICATING THE BASIS
FOR THE REMAND.
AND ON THE REMAND, THE VRB WILL BE LIMITED FOR THEIR
DIRECTION TO THEM IF YOU CHOOSES TO DO THAT.
THEIR FOURTH AND FINAL OPTION TO OVERTURN THE VRB DECISION
IN THIS CASE.
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY --
03:43:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK?
OKAY.
03:43:13PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
ONLY THE THING, COUNCIL, WHEN YOU
HAVE OTHER CODE SECTIONS BESIDE 27-80 WHICH IS THE
APPLICATION OF THE VARIANCE.
AND ANOTHER SECTION OF THE CODE RAISED BY BOTH PARTIES, THE
NONCONFORMITY SECTION.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE RELATED PROVISIONS IN THE CODE, REMEMBER
ONE OF THE -- I THINK IT IS NUMBER 4 ON THE VARIANCE
CRITERIA, IT IS THAT THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE
GENERAL INTENT FOR CHAPTER WHICH INCLUDES THE NONCONFORMITY
AND WITH THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
YOU HAVE RELATED SECTIONS LIKE THAT.
YOU READ IT.
AND READ THEM TOGETHER AND HARMONIZE TO GIVE EFFECT TO BOTH
OF THE RELATED SECTIONS.
I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS?
03:44:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I CLOSE
THE PUBLIC HEARING.
03:44:09PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY -- PULLED MR. SHELBY OUTSIDE.
OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION IT DONNED ON ME THAT
MR. DACHEPELLI'S LAW FIRM.
I ACTED AS COUNSEL REPRESENTING MY WARRIOR'S PLACE OF WHICH
ONE OF BEN'S PARTNERS MR. MATTHEW HALL WAS MY CO-COUNSEL.
I DISCLOSED THAT.
NO RELEVANCY.
AND THE CASE WAS RECENTLY DISMISSED, BUT MR. SHELBY, I JUST
SAY THAT AS -- I THINK IT WAS BROWN VERSUS MY WARRIOR'S
PLACE, IF I RECALL.
AND MATT AND I WERE CO-COUNSEL ON IT.
SAME LAW FIRM.
03:44:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT HAVING THE CASE, DOES THAT AFFECT YOUR
ABILITY OF BEING IMPARTIAL.
03:44:51PM >>LUIS VIERA:
ZERO.
03:44:52PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND BASE IS THIS CASE ON THE COMPETENT,
SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD.
03:44:57PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
03:44:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:45:00PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MOTION TO CLOSE.
03:45:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
03:45:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
THE HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
AT THIS TIME, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, STATE THE
BASIS OF THAT MOTION AND DISCUSS IT.
YES, MA'AM, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:45:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
THIS FEELS LIKE COMING HOME.
I WAS ON THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
AND SO I AM GOING TO START BY QUOTING THE GREAT DUSTIN
PASTEUR THE CHAIR WHILE I WAS A VRB.
NO ONE OWES YOU A POOL.
I WILL EXTRAPOLATE THIS NO ONE OWES YOU A GARAGE.
I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO OVERTURN THE VRB APPROVAL.
MOVE TO OVERTURN THE PROPOSED VARIANCE REQUEST IN VRB 23-70
FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED 16 DAVIS BOULEVARD BECAUSE THE
PETITIONER FAILED TO PROVIDE COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL
EVIDENCE OF A HARDSHIP ACCORDING TO THE STANDARDS SET FORTH
IN CODE SECTION 27-80 FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS: 27-890,
SUBSECTIONS A, NUMBER TWO, THE HARDSHIP OR PRACTICAL
DIFFICULTY DOES NOT RESULT FROM THE ACTIONS OF THE
APPLICANT.
SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP OR PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY SHOULD NOT
JUSTIFY VARIANCE.
THIS -- THE OWNER PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY IN 2021 WITHOUT A
PARKING GARAGE.
THEY KNEW IT BEFORE THEY BOUGHT IT.
THEY KNEW IT WAS IN A FEMA FLOOD ZONE WHEN THEY BOUGHT IT.
THIS IS -- THE PARKING ISSUE -- A, THEY ALREADY PROVED THEY
DON'T HAVE TO COMPLY WITH FEMA.
PRESERVING HISTORY DOESN'T RARE THEM TO RAISE IT.
AND ALLEVIATING PARKING IS A SELF-CREATED ISSUE.
NUMBER THREE, THE VARIANCE, IF GRANTED, WOULD NOT INTERFERE
WITH THE HEALTH, WELFARE AND SAFETY OF OTHERS BY THE
VARIANCE.
WE HAVE HAD EVIDENCE THAT SHOWED THREE TO FOUR FEET BETWEEN
THIS PROPERTY AND THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR.
QUICK NOT GUARANTEE THAT THAT PERSON -- OR THAT -- OR THE
RAISING WOULD NOT INTERFERE WITH OR INJURY THE HEALTH,
SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THAT PROPERTY, SO WITH THOSE TWO
ITEMS, I -- -- I AM -- I COMPLETE MY MOTION.
03:47:17PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
03:47:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION?
IF NOT, I WILL ASK FOR A VOTE.
LET'S TAKE A VOTE.
03:47:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES TO OVERTURN.
03:47:30PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
03:47:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
03:47:34PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
03:47:36PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
03:47:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
03:47:38PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CLENDENIN BEING
ABSENT.
03:47:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE WILL TAKE FIVE-MINUTE RECESS AND
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
THANK YOU.

04:04:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WELCOME BACK TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
04:04:04PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
04:04:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE HENDERSON HEN PRESENT.
04:04:09PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
04:04:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
04:04:11PM >>CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
04:04:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PER REQUEST BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
AND 38 WILL BE HEARD TOGETHER.
MR. BAIRD ARE YOU HANDLING.
AND WE HAVE OTHER REPRESENTATIVES HERE.
START WITH THREE.
04:04:34PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
BRAD BAIRD, DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
THIS IS AN AMENDMENT FOR AGREEMENT FOR THE TPD HOWARD AVENUE
ANNEX BUILDING.
IT IS PRIMARILY AN AMENDMENT TO DEVELOP BIDDABLE PLANS
AN SPECS.
IF ARE YOU HE CALL WE WERE OVER DOUBLE THE PRICE.
SO WE DID TAKE ADVANTAGE OF EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT WAS
EXECUTED IN NOVEMBER OF 2023.
AND WE ARE -- WE ARE MOVING FROM DESIGN-BUILD CONTRACT TO A
DESIGN BID BUILD.
IN DOING THAT IN A DESIGN-BUILD CONTRACT, DO YOU NOT HAVE
BIDDABLE PLANS AND SPECS.
THE PRIMARY COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS AMENDMENT IS DEVELOP
THE BIDDABLE PLANS AND SPECS WITH COMPETITIVE BIDDING MAKE
UP FOR THESE COSTS.
WE HAVE SECONDARY DESIGN COSTS THAT I PUT ON MY MEMO.
AND WITH THAT, I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
04:05:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:05:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE IT.
GLAD WE CAN DO A TIME CERTAIN SO Y'ALL DIDN'T HAVE TO SIT
HERE ALL DAY.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THE ITEM REQUEST.
I PRINTED OUT THE AGENDA ITEM REQUEST.
THE SUBJECT IS, THE TPD HOWARD ANNEX BUILDING AKA,
RELOCATION OF THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT IMPOUND LOT.
BUT DOWN ON THE BUSINESS CASE, IT SAYS, QUOTE "PLEASE NOTE
THAT THIS EIGHT-ACRE APPROXIMATE PROJECT INCLUDES A
RENOVATION EXISTING 38,000-SQUARE-FOOT WAREHOUSE WITH 7500
APPROXIMATE ADDITION TO ACCOMMODATE THE EVIDENCE, CONTROL
AND FORENSICS UNIT OF THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, TPD FOR
THE HEALTH, WELFARE AROUND SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC.
THIS PROJECT CLOSE INCLUDES EMPLOYEE PARKING, VISITOR
PARKING, OVERSIZED VEHICLE PARKING, AS WELL AS A RETENTION
POND AND DESIGN TEAM WILL MEET WITH STAFF TO MEET THE CITY
OF TAMPA DESIGN STANDARDS.
BLAH-BLAH-BLAH.
WHAT IS NOT IN THAT -- WHAT IS NOT IN THAT EXPLANATION?
ANYTHING ABOUT AN IMPOUND LOT.
IF WOULD YOU BRING UP THE SITE PLAN FOR ME.
SO WE LOOKED UP THE SITE PLAN.
IF YOU CAN JUST ZOOM -- OTHER SIDE.
ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT THE HIGHLIGHTED PORTION SHOWED A FUTURE
IMPOUND LOT, BUT NOT A CURRENT IMPOUND LOT SO THIS HAS BEEN
CALLED THE RELOCATION OF AN INBOUND LOT.
GONE FROM $5 MILLION TODAY 8 MILLION TO $45 MILLION.
AND IT IS -- FROM THE SITE PLAN AND FROM THE DESCRIPTION, IT
IS NOT ACTUALLY GOING TO CONTAIN AN IMPOUND LOT.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT?
04:07:19PM >> YES.
AND I DO HAVE DEPUTY CHIEF RUTH CATE.
BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO HER, WE DO HAVE THE EXPANDED
PARKING LOT IS TO PROCESS INITIALLY PROCESS THE VEHICLES
THAT WERE TO BE MOVED TO THE SITE WE HAVE -- YOU KNOW, THAT
WE CONTRACTED FOR.
THAT IS WHAT YOU NEED THAT AREA FOR.
04:07:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GO BACK.
THE SITE YOU CONTRACTED FOR?
04:07:53PM >> ORIGINALLY THE MODEL WAS NOT TO OUTSOURCE THAT WHEN THE
PROJECT STARTED AND TO PUT THE IMPACT LOT THERE.
THAT IS HOW THAT PROJECT HAS MORPHED.
04:08:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ACTUALLY CAN YOU -- I AM CONFUSED WITH WHAT
YOU JUST SAID.
DO YOU.
YOU ARE -- YOU ORIGINALLY HAD A CONTRACT?
YOU CONTRACTED OUT?
04:08:16PM >>DEPUTY CHIEF CATE:
GOOD MORNING -- GOOD AFTERNOON,
COUNCIL.
DEPUTY CHIEF RUTH CATE, THANK YOU FOR TIME CERTAIN.
WE HAD AN IMPORTANT RETIREMENT CEREMONY.
LET ME EXPLAIN THE IMPOUND LOT.
I DON'T WANT TO GET CAUGHT UP ON NAME OF THE IMPOUND LOT
BECAUSE CHANGED IT FOR THE ANNEX.
IT WAS SIMPLY FOR EVIDENCE STORAGE IN ADDITION TO TWO BAY
AND FORENSICS LOCATION WHAT IS WE CALLED THE "IMPOUND LOT "
PROCESS OUR HIGH-VALUE VEHICLES.
WE WENT OVER THOSE BEFORE.
THE HOMICIDE VEHICLES, HIT-AND-RUN VEHICLES, THINGS LIKE
THAT.
THERE WAS FOR -- AFTER 4 P.M., OFFICERS HAVE TO GO TO THAT
LOCATION TO PROCESS THEIR EVIDENCE.
SO THERE WAS FORENSIC STUFF THERE.
SO THEY COULD SEPARATE -- SAY THEY GOT TWO OUNCES OF
COCAINE.
PER FDLE, THEY HAD TO SEPARATE A SMALL AMOUNT TO BE TESTED
AND HAVE A SECOND AMOUNT FOR TRAFFICKING AMOUNT, THE 28
GRAMS, AND THE THIRD AMOUNT WILL GO IN A THIRD PACKAGE.
ALL BE THERE STORED AT WHAT WE CALL THE IMPOUND LOT AT 34th
STREET.
I HAVE A DETECTIVE WORKING SEXUAL BATTERY.
WE NEED REFRIGERATION UNITS AT THE IMPOUND LOT TO HOUSE THE
SEXUAL BATTERY KITS.
LATER IN THE WEEK -- USUALLY THE HOPE DAY IF IT WORKED OUT,
WE HAD A CURE I DON'T REMEMBER TO GO GET THOSE ITEMS AND
BRING THEM BACK TO HEADQUARTERS.
SAME THING FOR ANY FIREARMS.
THE REASON THE PROPERTY ROOM WOULD CLOSE AT 4:00, BECAUSE WE
HAVE TO OPEN UP AS EARLY AS 7 A.M. SO OFFICERS CAN COME GET
EVIDENCE FOR COURT AND CHECK IT OUT.
AND THEN DEPENDING ON IF YOU HAD LARGE EVIDENCE LIKE MAYBE A
SUITCASE THAT WAS USED AT THE CRIME, IT IS IN THE IMPOUND
LOT, BUT THE DOPE SEIZED OUT OF IT IS AT HEADQUARTERS.
.OFFICERS HAD TO GO TO TWO LOCATIONS TO GET IT.
IF A VEHICLE WAS INVOLVED, WE USED TO IMPOUND A LOT OF CARS
AND THE LAWS HAVE CHANGED HOW WE CAN RECEIVE PROCEEDS FOR
THOSE CARS.
SO WE ARE TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE INBOUND BUSINESS USUALLY
MANY AS 400 CARS.
TODAY I GOT THE NUMBER 126 VEHICLES, 20 BIKES.
51 ARE PERSONAL PROPERTY.
SOME OF THAT THEY WERE ARRESTED AND KEEPING THE STUFF FOR
THEM UNTIL THEY CAN COME CLAIM IT.
35 FOUND BIKES AND 102 ARE EVIDENCE.
THAT IS WHAT WE ARE HOUSING THERE.
WHEN WE SAY THE LARGE VEHICLES.
WHEN WE HAVE -- OUR LARGER CRIME VANS.
WE CAN'T PARK THEM AT HEADQUARTERS.
WE USED TO PARK AT JACKSON STREET LOT WHICH IS NOW THE HYATT
PLACE HOTEL.
SO THOSE -- WE HAVE TO SEND OUR TECHNICIANS TO GO GET THEM.
WE WILL HOUSE THEM AT THE TRAIN FACILITY.
THAT IS NOT IDEA.
WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF ROOM AT TRAINING.
NOT ENOUGH PARKING.
SO WE HAVE THE OVERFLOW PARKING FOR OUR HIGH VALUE VEHICLES
WHICH IS OUR MOBILE COMMAND POSTS.
SOME OF OUR SWAT VEHICLES.
THAT IS WHERE THAT ADDITIONAL SPACE COMES IN.
THERE IS ENOUGH ROOM THERE TO SQUEEZE IN THIS AMOUNT OF CARS
WITHOUT PAVING IT AND A REAL CONCERN OF FLOODING, AND HE
DON'T WANT TO TAKE TOO MANY OF THE GRAND OAKS.
04:11:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APPRECIATE THAT DETAIL, BUT MY QUESTION IS
ABOUT THE IMPOUND LOT.
SAYS THE FUTURE IMPOUND LOT EXPANSION AREA.
THAT IS WHAT THE SITE PLAN SHOWS.
THAT MEANS THERE WON'T BE CARS STORED THERE NOW.
SAYS FUTURE EXPANSION AREA.
04:12:00PM >>DEPUTY CHIEF CATE:
I DON'T KNOW WHEN THOSE PLANS WERE
DONE, BUT THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE CURRENT PLANS.
04:12:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SAYS MAY '24.
04:12:19PM >>DEPUTY CHIEF CATE:
YOU CAN STILL PARK THE CARS BECAUSE IT
WILL BE MILLED.
IF WE WANT TO PAVE IT LATER BUT THAT COST IS ASTRONOMICAL
AND WE DECIDED AGAINST IT.
THERE WILL BE THE AREA THAT IS OUTED WITH THE ACTUAL PARKING
SPACES THAT WILL ALL BE PAID.
THE FURTHER -- WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED AND THE PLANS I HAVE
SEEN DEVELOPING THAT.
04:12:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHERE ARE THE VEHICLES CURRENTLY HOUSED.
04:12:52PM >>DEPUTY CHIEF CATE:
RATE NOW THE VEHICLES ARE HOUSED AT
OUR LOT ON LOIS AVENUE THAT IS 4608 NORTH LOIS.
UNLESS IT IS A ROTATION IMPOUND THE OFFICERS WILL SAY HAVE A
CALL FROM THE PARKING DEPARTMENT.
HABITUAL THAT PARKS AT OUR CITY METER AND NEVER PAYS.
WE PUT A BOOT ON THE CAR RATHER THAN TOW IT.
ONE THING.
IF THEY DON'T GET IT BECAUSE OF A BOOT AND WE HAVE TO GET IT
OFF, IT WILL COME TO OUR LOT.
WE ARE NOT DOING IT ANYMORE.
WE ARE TAKING IT TO THE PRIVATE VENDORS AND THEY WILL STORE
IT FOR US AND WE CAN STILL COLLECT THE MONEY.
04:13:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW MUCH IS THE PRIVATE VENDORS COSTING PER
MONTH?
04:13:36PM >>DEPUTY CHIEF CATE:
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH
CROCKETT'S TO OUR POLICE IMPOUND.
SO THEY DON'T CHARGE US FOR THE TOWS AND THAT IS PART OF THE
CONTRACT.
AND I BELIEVE THE FEE IS $10,000 RENTAL FOR THE MONTH.
04:13:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT IS THE SECURITY AT THAT?
04:13:55PM >>DEPUTY CHIEF CATE:
A COMPLETE SECURE FACILITY.
04:13:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WITH A POLICE OFFICER 24-7?
04:14:03PM >>DEPUTY CHIEF CATE:
CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES.
04:14:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW DO YOU MAINTAIN THE CHAIN OF COMMAND OR
CHAIN OF CUSTODY?
04:14:11PM >>DEPUTY CHIEF CATE:
ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES IN OUR EVIDENCE
AND STORAGE ROOMS ARE CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES.
04:14:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM ASKING HOW DO YOU KEEP THE CHAIN OF
CUSTODY FOR THE CARS THAT ARE IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S LOT?
04:14:22PM >> SO WE HAVE CITY OF TAMPA EMPLOYEES.
04:14:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
24-7.
04:14:30PM >>DEPUTY CHIEF CATE:
24-7.
04:14:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AT CROCKETT'S?
04:14:35PM >>DEPUTY CHIEF CATE:
YES.
CROCKETT'S IS NOT THERE AT ALL.
IT IS THEIR FACILITY BUT THEY MOVED THEIR STUFF OUT, AND WE
ARE THE ONLY ONES THERE.
THEY HAVE THE BUILDING WHERE OFFICERS CAN COME AND PACKAGE
THEIR THINGS.
WE HAVE -- BECAUSE OF THE STORAGE.
OUTDOOR STORAGE SHEDS THAT WE PUT STUFF IN AND EVERYTHING IS
SURROUNDED BY FENCING AND THE BARBED WIRE AND CAMERAS AND
SECURE FACILITY.
04:15:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ONCE THIS IS COMPLETED WE WON'T BE RENTING
FROM CROCKETTS $10,000 A MONTH.
ALL OF THESE CAR ALSO BE STORED ON THIS PROPERTY.
YOU ARE TELLING US RIGHT NOW?
04:15:18PM >>DEPUTY CHIEF CATE:
THAT IS WHAT A WE WANT TO GO TO.
WE HAVE TO SEE THE VOLUME OF CARS THAT WE HAVE, BUT THERE
WILL BE A TRANSITION PERIOD BUT THAT IS THE GOAL.
SO THE GOAL IS TO TRANSITION ONLY TO THIS ONE LOCATION.
AND -- BECAUSE WE ARE CONSTANTLY DOWNSIZING HOW MANY CARS
THAT WE HAVE.
IF FOR SOME REASON WE GO OVER THE AMOUNT OF CARS OR PARKING
SPACES THAT WE HAVE, WE WILL HAVE TO TAKE THEM SOMEWHERE.
WE DO NOT WANT TO PUT AN EMPLOYEE AT THAT LOCATION.
04:15:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT LOCATION?
04:15:49PM >>DEPUTY CHIEF CATE:
AT THE CROCKETT'S.
WE WANT ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES TO BE AT THIS ONE LOCATION.
04:15:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT IF WE HAD TO IF WE HAD TO MOVE THEM TO
ANOTHER LOCATION, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A PERSON THERE?
04:16:05PM >>DEPUTY CHIEF CATE:
YEAH, WE WOULD.
WE WOULD HAVE TO.
AND HAVE SOME SECURE STORAGE ONLY FOR OUR VEHICLES WITH
CAMERAS ON TAMPA.
AND NOT PHYSICALLY THERE TO MAKE SURE NOBODY IS TAMPERING
WITH IT.
IF THE CAMERA SHOWS OTHERWISE ULTIMATELY THAT IS ISSUE, THE
START IS THE IMPOUND LOT AND ADD FORENSICS.
NOW IT SEEMS TO BE FORENSICS WITH MAYBE AN IMPOUND LOT.
SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY TO SPEND ON A FORENSICS MAYBE
POSSIBLY IMPOUND LOT.
MAYBE YOU ALL NEED A BIGGER SPACE THAT YOU CAN MAKE SURE YOU
CAN FIT THE IMPOUND CARS, BECAUSE I AM NOT OKAY THAT WE
MIGHT HAVE TO GO AND SPEND $10,000 A MONTH AFTER PUTTING $45
MILLION THIS SHOULD NOT BE -- A TAJ MAHAL OF FORENSICS.
WE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY HAVE ROOM TO GROW LIKE ANA CITY CENTER.
THAT SPACE HAS SO MUCH ROOM THAT I AM UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE
IDEA THIS WILL NOT FIT THE CARS WE HAVE AND NOT THE GROWTH.
04:17:26PM >> WE HAVE ALREADY DOWNSIZED THE AMOUNT OF CARS WE WOULD
IMPOUND.
ON AVERAGE IT WAS 400.
WE ARE NOT AT THAT.
126.
AND WE ARE WORKING TO GET OUT OF THOSE.
WE ARE TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE I BELIEVE POUND BUSINESS.
BEFORE WHEN I WAS STREET-LEVEL NARCOTICS AND SEIZE A CAR AND
HAVE THE CITY ORDINANCE.
WE COULD SELL THE CAR AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT KEEP THE
PROCEEDS.
WE CANNOT DO THAT ANYMORE.
THE LAWS HAVE CHANGED.
WE ARE OUT OF THE BUSINESS OF DOING THAT.
I DON'T WANT TO GET CAUGHT UP ON THE SEMANTICS OF THAT
FACILITY BEING CALLED THE "IMLOT."
THAT IS WHAT WE CALLED IT, BUT THE EVIDENCE STORAGE AREA
AFTER HOURS.
THAT IS WHERE WE WENT LIBRARY SUB 1 WHERE WE GO TO GAS OUR
CARS UP IN CARVER CITY WE WOULD SAY A NEW FLEET FACILITY AND
THAT IS AT HANNA NOW.
WE STORED LARGER VEHICLES.
BUT WE CAN'T.
WE WANT TO BRING THOSE TO A SECURE LOCATION ALONG WITH THE
ONES WE ARE TEMPORARY STORING ON TRAINING AND THEY WILL ALL
BE THERE.
04:18:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS FINE.
THIS TO ME IS NOT ABOUT THAT.
CREATING A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN STORE POLICE VEHICLES, BUT,
AGAIN, TO ME THIS IS ABOUT THE INBOUND LOT.
IF YOU ARE SAYING WE MATE NOT HAVE ROOM.
I AM VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS BALLOONING PROJECT AND NOT
ACTUALLY BEING ABLE TO HOLD MORE THAN WE NEEDED TO HOLD.
SO RIGHT NOW I DO ASK THIS QUESTION FOR MR. MUTTERBACK AND
YOU WERE CCED ON THE E-MAIL OF THE SIZE OF EVIDENCE IN THIS
STORAGE FACILITY.
AND IT SAYS HERE THAT THE EXISTING EVIDENCE STORAGE AT 34th
STREET WAS APPROXIMATELY 13,350 SQUARE FEET.
AND THE SPACE BEING PROVIDED THAT THE NEW ANNEX IS 12,432.
WHICH A LOWER, BUT BECAUSE YOU ARE ABLE TO GO VERTICAL WE
WILL ACTUALLY BE EXPANDED.
AND THAT I UNDERSTAND, RIGHT.
AND I -- I --
04:19:41PM >> I KNOW I SPOKE TO COUNCIL ON THAT ON AUGUST 5 THAT BELL
HAVE 149180 CUBIC SQUARE FOOT BASED ON THE 12-FOOT CEILING.
04:19:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT I UNDERSTAND.
04:19:55PM >>DEPUTY CHIEF CATE:
WE WILL HAVE MORE ROOM.
THE EXISTING FORENSICS IS 12,000 SQUARE FOOT AND EVIDENCE IS
26.
04:20:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, CERTAIN
THINGS WERE NOT HOUSED HERE.
WE WERE HOUSED AT HEADQUARTERS AND THEY STILL ARE.
WHAT KINDS OF THINGS HAVE ALREADY BEEN HOUSED AT 411.
04:20:20PM >>DEPUTY CHIEF CATE:
ANYTHING THAT WAS NOT HIGH VALUED NARCOTICS
LIKE THE FIREARMS OR SEXUAL BATTERY KITS, THEY ALL GO TO
HEADQUARTERS.
IF I WERE TO SEIZE SOMEONE'S SUITCASE OR CLOTHING OR
ELECTRONICS, SEIZED DOORS, FIREWORKS.
ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
ALWAYS STAYS AT THE INFOUND LOT.
ANYTHING THAT WAS SMALLER -- LARGER THAN A BOX ABOUT 8 X 12
WILL STAY AT 34th STREET.
04:20:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AT POLICE HEADQUARTERS YOU HOLD DRUGS AND
GUNS.
04:21:01PM >> YES.
04:21:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO THAT IS GOING -- AND THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN
THAT WAY.
AND SO WHAT YOU ARE DOING MOVING POLICE ACTIVITY AT THIS
FORENSICS BUILDING.
04:21:19PM >> YES, WE WILL HAVE SECURE STORAGE THERE.
IT WILL BE HOUSED SIMILAR TO LIKE IT IS IN HEADQUARTERS.
A SAFE ROOM, A NARCOTICS VAULT, ALL OF THAT, THAT WILL BE A
SECURE PART OF THE FACILITY.
04:21:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
AND SO -- MY -- FOR ME, THIS -- THE QUESTION JUST OVERALL
IS, I -- I DON'T KNOW THIS IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR
7.6 ACRES JUST BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE WILL GET THE
IMPOUND LOT THAT WE -- THAT WAS THE IMPETUS OF THIS ENTIRE
PROJECT.
I AM JUST NOT CONVINCED.
04:21:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND THEN COUNCILMAN
CARLSON.
04:22:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO, I AM SORRY.
04:22:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:22:03PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU KNOW WE HAVE -- AT LEAST I HAVE CONCERNS
HOW THIS SNUCK UP ON US AND HOW THE PRICE WENT UP AGAIN AND
THE ESCALATION OF THIS AND SIMILAR TO HANNA AVENUE AND FAIR
OAKS, HOW THEY ESCALATED.
AND THE RIVERWALK ABOUT.
AND WE HEARD ALL KIND OF NEGATIVE FEEDBACK AND CRITICISM
ABOUT THAT.
NOT -- IT IS NOT -- SO IT IS -- MY POINT IS NOT ABOUT TPD,
BUT THE COMPETENCY OF HOW THE PROJECTS ARE MANAGED, BUT
FOLKS HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME.
AND I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO ALL OF THESE, BUT I AM GOING
TO VOTE ANYTHING RELATED TO THIS PROJECT UNLESS THERE IS A
REALLY DETAILED PUBLIC DISCUSSION ABOUT THE BUDGET AND HOW
IT -- HOW IF HAS BEEN DONE AND HOW THIS WAS PLANNED, BECAUSE
I THINK THE PUBLIC DESERVES TOTAL TRANSPARENCY ON THIS AND
WHAT THE ALTERNATIVES WILL BE.
BUT FEEDBACK I GOT FROM PEOPLE WHO CONTACTED ME.
THEY THINK THE LOCATION IS NOT THE BEST LOCATION.
THE SIZE OF THE LOT.
ALSO RISK IN PUTTING -- ALTHOUGH IT IS CONVENIENT -- THERE
IS RISK OF PUTTING ALL TYPE OF EVIDENCE IN ONE PLACE.
THE -- -- ALSO THERE IS A QUESTION ABOUT RENOVATING A
BUILDING VERSUS BUILDING A NEW BUILDING.
FOR BY THE WAY, $45 MILLION AND WE WILL BONDS IT NOT
INCLUDING OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE WHICH WE ARE PROBABLY
PAYING ON THESE OTHER FACILITIES.
IT IS GOING TO BE AT LEAST $40 MILLION IN INTEREST INTEREST.
SO IT IS REALLY A $85 MILLION TO $95 MILLION BUILDING.
WHAT ELSE?
SO MANY THINGS -- I KNOW WE COULDN'T SPEND THIS ON POLICE.
WE NEED 200 MORE POLICE OFFICERS.
BUT WHAT ELSE CAN WE SPENDS THIS ON IF WE REALLY WENT TO OUR
POLICE OFFICERS AND ASKED THEM WHAT THEY NEED MOST.
IF WE CAN SPEND $85 MILLION, WHAT WAS THE NEED.
IF THIS WAS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THE MONEY, MAYBE.
BUT I AM HEARING IT IS NOT.
BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO SPEND THAT MUCH MONEY WHY NOT BUILD A
NEW BUILDING THAT IS MORE SECURE.
CONCERNS OF IT BEING HURRICANE-PROOF.
I THINK THERE IS SOME CONCERNS OF THE SOME OF THE EXISTING
BUILDINGS AND THEIR ABILITY TO BE HURRICANE PROOF.
CONCERNS.
I DON'T KNOW INSIDE DETAILS BUT ALLEGEDLY THE PROJECT
MANAGERS AND MANAGERS ARE THE SAME AS HANNA AVENUE, THE
RIVERWALK AND FAIR OAKS.
AND THAT -- THE ALLEGATION IS THAT THE PERSON OR PEOPLE
INVOLVED DON'T -- AREN'T TRAINED AS PROJECT MANAGERS.
AND SO WHY WOULD WE -- IF WE SEE THE CONNECTION OF HOW FOUR
PROJECTS WENT WAY, WAY -- TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OVER
BUDGET AND THEY ARE BONDED AND A COMMON LINKS HERE.
SEEMS TO BE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION URGENCY TO GET THINGS
DONE AND NO ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE MONEY AND TO THE
TAXPAYERS.
AND THEN -- AND THEN JUST LASTLY, LASTLY AGAIN, I
SUPPORTED TPD AND TAMPA FIRE RESCUE -- SUPPORTED THE THINGS
THEY HAVE DONE.
FROM WHAT I AM HEARING THIS IS NOT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE
OF THIS KIND OF FUNDING.
AND IN PARTICULAR, THERE IS NOT CONFIDENCE THIS PROJECT IS
BEING MANAGED CORRECTLY AND THAT THE MONEY IS BEING USED
WISELY.
I VOTE KNOW.
04:25:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY ELSE?
WE NEED A MOTION TO MOVE ITEMS NUMBER 3 -- COUNCILMAN
VIERA'S COMMITTEE.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
04:25:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
CAN I SAY SOMETHING, IF I MAY.
YOU SAY YOU HAVE A 149,180 SQUARE FEET.
IS THAT WHAT I HEARD.
04:25:52PM >> CUBIC FOOT.
WE WILL BE ABLE TO STORE VERTICAL, YES.
04:25:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM NOT INTO BUILDING OR CONTRACTING OR
ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I NEED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT.
WHAT IS THE COST OF SQUARE FOOT TO BUILD A NEW BUILDING NOW?
04:26:09PM >> I HAVE TO DEFER TO OUR CITY PATTER INS ON THAT.
04:26:12PM >> YEAH, WE WILL HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT WITH --
WITH THE --
04:26:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IN MY MIND -- I KNOW YOU ALREADY HAVE THE
LAND.
I HEARD ABOUT BUILDING A NEW BUILDING AND NOT DOING ANYTHING
AT ALL.
04:26:26PM >> WE DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT THERE.
04:26:30PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I TOOK A GUESS.
350 A SQUARE FOOT BECAUSE A HOUSE IS COSTING THAT JUST
ABOUT.
THAT NUMBER IS ASTRONOMICAL.
I AM NOT GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT IT IS.
YOU FIGURE IT OUT.
04:26:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WITH THE LAND AND EVERYTHING?
04:26:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
04:26:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
04:26:49PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
04:26:51PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
04:26:52PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
04:26:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
04:26:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, BECAUSE I AM NOT GOING TO PUT GOOD MONEY
AFTER BAD.
04:27:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
04:27:01PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON AND HURTAK VOTING NO
AND CLENDENIN BEING ABSENT.
04:27:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT WAS ITEM 3, ITEM 38 WILL TRANSFER
WITH THAT.
04:27:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
A WORK ORDER TO PAY THE ARCHITECTS.
04:27:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT IS YOUR COMMITTEE?
04:27:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM NOT MOVING IT.
I AM VOTING AGAINST ANYTHING FOR THIS.
04:27:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SEE WHO THE ALTERNATE IS -- IT WILL BE
CHARLIE.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA FOR ITEM 38, DO YOU WISH TO MOVE THAT
SIR?
04:27:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
38 IS THE -- IS THE -- THE PROBLEM WE HAD
STAFF TOGETHER AND IT WAS THE COMPLEMENTARY ONE TO 3.
I WILL MOVE 38.
04:27:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
ROLL CALL VOTE ON THAT.
THIS ITEM 38.
04:27:53PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
04:27:55PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
04:27:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
04:27:58PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
04:27:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
04:28:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
04:28:03PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON AND HURTAK VOTING NO.
04:28:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FINAL ITEM OF THE DAY IS 94.
BECAUSE IT WAS ASKED -- UNLESS I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT WE HAVE
SOMEONE PRESENT FOR 94, WHICH WOULD BE MR. BAIRD WHO GAVE A
WRITTEN REPORT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, DO YOU WANT 49 PRESENT, CORRECT?
04:28:25PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH.
I JUST THINK THE PUBLIC IS CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.
SO JUST SHORT PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION SO THE PUBLIC CAN
SEE.
04:28:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DO YOU WANT TO KICK IT OFF.
04:28:39PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO, GO AHEAD.
04:28:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. BAIRD, YOU GAVE A WRITTEN REPORT.
04:28:44PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
BRAD BAIRD, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
SUBMITTED A MEMO ON THIS.
THE SHORT ANSWER IS, WE DO NOT ALLOW PRIME CONTRACTORS ON
DESIGN-BUILD PROJECTS TO MARK UP THE SUBCONTRACTORS.
WE ON DESIGN-BUILD CONTRACTS, PROCURE USING THE CONSULTANTS
COMPETITIVE NEGOTIATIONS ACT REQUIRED BY LAW TO SELECT A
DESIGN-BUILD TEAM IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT ACT, WHICH WE DO.
AND THEN OPPOSED TO AN RFP PROCESS WHICH IS HANDLED BY
PURCHASING.
WANTED TO MAKE THAT DISTINCTION PART OF THE CC &A.
TWO PHASE.
DESIGN-BUILD INITIAL SERVICES FOR DESIGN.
AND THEN DESIGN-BUILD SERVICES AGREEMENT IN INCLUDES A
GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE.
SO WITH THAT, I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
04:29:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:29:56PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU, FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T KNOW HOW
YOU WAITED FOR THIS, BUT I KNOW YOU ARE HERE ALL DAY.
THANK YOU FOR WAITING.
04:30:06PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
YOU ARE WELCOME CARLSON CAS WILL'S 'SAY PIE
HOE THEMCALLY $100 MILLION AND GENERAL CONTRACTOR GETS 5% AS
A MANAGEMENT FEE.
IF YOU CAN MARK UP -- LET'S SAY THEY CAN MARK UP THE
SUBCONTRACTORS 20%.
MY MATH IS PROBABLY NOT RIGHT, ANOTHER $15 MILLION OR 20
MILLION IN THERE.
THE ANSWER WE NOW GIVEN THE PUBLIC IS, NO, YOU CAN NOT.
04:30:30PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
WE DO NOT ALLOW THAT.
04:30:33PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK THAT IS GREAT NEWS.
BECAUSE -- SO IT WAS WORTH YOU DOING THAT.
BUT LET ME JUST ASK YOU ONE QUESTION I DIDN'T SEE IN THE
DOCUMENT.
HOW YOU ALL VERIFY FOR TRACK THAT.
DO YOU AUDIT TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE NOT DOING THAT?
04:30:49PM >> ANY INVOICE THAT COMES ACROSS.
FIRST OF ALL, LET ME BACK UP.
WE APPROVED THE SUB CONTRACTS.
WE SEE THOSE.
AND -- AND, OF COURSE, THE EBO OFFICE ON THE EBO CONTRACTS,
WITH CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION.
EVERY MONTH WITH THE INVOICE, WE VERIFY THAT NO MARK-UP ON
SUB CAN CONTRACTS.
04:31:17PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THEY ARE ALSO NOT ALLOWED TO GIVE A FULL FEE
OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IF YOU SEE A SUBCONTRACTOR GETTING PAID $10 MILLION AND A
INVOICE FROM THE SUBCONTRACTOR, THE GENERAL CANNOT GET PAID
PART OF THAT.
04:31:33PM >>BILL CARLSON:
PROHIBITED IN THE CONTRACTS.
04:31:36PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
I AM SORRY?
04:31:38PM >>BILL CARLSON:
PROHIBITED IN THE CONTRACT?
04:31:41PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
IT IS NOT SPECIFICALLY IN THE DESIGN-BUILD,
BUT WE DON'T ALLOW THAT MARK-UP.
04:31:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR THE GOOD NEWS.
04:31:50PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
TWO THINGS THAT CONTRACTORS GET IN THE
DESIGN-BUILD.
ONE IS GENERAL CONDITIONS AND THE OTHER IS THE DESIGN BUILD
FEE WHICH IS IN THE 7 TO 9% RANGE.
DEPENDING ON THE CONTRACT.
THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT THEY GET.
04:32:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:32:06PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
THANK YOU.
04:32:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MADAM CLERK, THAT CONCLUDES THE AGENDA.
GO TO NEW BUSINESS.
I HAVE QUITE A FEW ITEMS AND PASS IT ON TO COUNCILMAN VIERA.
YOU ARE THE IMMEDIATE.
.<,NEW LINE>>> P[L]As[L]T[L]O[L]R: CHAIR.
04:32:17PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
04:32:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MY FIRST MOTION IS -- I WOULD LIKE TO
MOTION FOR THE FLORIDA ORCHESTRA TO GIVE A FIVE-MINUTE
PRESENTATION AT THE SEPTEMBER 5, 2024 REGULAR COUNCIL
MEETING TO REPORT ON THE SERVICES THAT IT PROVIDED TO OUR
RESIDENTS -- THAT IT PROVIDED TO OUR RESIDENTS IN THE
2023-2024 SEASON.
THERE IS SPACE AVAILABLE FOR THAT DAY.
04:32:38PM >>LUIS VIERA:
A MOTION BY CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ANY DISCUSSION?
IF NOT, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSE?
04:32:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NEXT, FOR SEPTEMBER 19 -- [GAVEL
SOUNDING]
-- ALL RIGHT.
FOR SEPTEMBER 19, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION TO OFFICER RICHIE
MERCADO AND THE TAMPA BAY REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL IS
PRESENTING.
THIS IS MY MOTION.
I WILL EXPLAIN TO YOU.
MAKE A MOTION FOR THE MAYOR'S HISPANIC HERITAGE COMMITTEE
ALL CITY EMPLOYEES -- MOST OF THEM ALL.
TO APPEAR BRIEFLY AT SEPTEMBER 19 REGULAR SESSION TO EXTEND
AN INVITATION TO CITY COUNCIL AS THEY DO EVERY YEAR FOR THE
MAYOR'S ANNUAL HISPANIC HERITAGE CELEBRATION OCTOBER 1,
2024.
HEARD FIRST OF CEREMONIAL.
THEY MAY TAKE ONE OR TWO MINUTES.
THEY ARE EXTENDING THE INVITATION BY COUNCIL.
04:33:39PM >>LUIS VIERA:
A MOTION BY CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
04:33:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MAKE A MOTION CORRIDOR KRISTEN SALOS TO
GIVE A PRESENTATION AT THE MEETING REGARDING THE FOUNDATION
WORK WITH THE CHILDREN'S PROJECT AND THE NIGHT TO REMEMBER
PROM.
04:34:00PM >>LUIS VIERA:
A MOTION BY CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO.
A SECOND.
04:34:03PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SECOND.
04:34:04PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
04:34:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALBERT COOK TO THE CITIZENS ADVISORY
COMMITTEE AS REPRESENTATIVE BECAUSE MY REPRESENTATIVE WILL
BE STEPPING DOWN AT THE END OF THIS BUDGET YEAR.
04:34:20PM >>LUIS VIERA:
A MOTION BY CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSE?
MANISCALCO I WILL BE MEETING WITH T&I NEXT WEEK AND ROLL OUT
THE KIOSK TO SIGN IN AT THE NEXT WORKSHOP AUGUST 29.
I WILL TEST IT BEFORE LAND.
MISS LUCAS WILL BE THERE.
MY AIDE AND T&I WILL BE THERE.
IF EVERYTHING IS GOOD READY FOR THE WORKSHOP.
I KNOW THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAS BEEN WORK AGO THIS.
SOME OF US CONTACTED BY THE SIERRA CLUB SENDING A LETTER TO
THE PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION BECAUSE THEY ARE LOOKING AT
THE RATES THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED BY TECO.
A LETTER WAS SUBMITTED TO US; HOWEVER, IN THINKING -- AND
YOU ASK ME IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE.
TELL ME IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS IF THERE IS A
SECOND.
IF WE SEND A LETTER NOT AT THE CITY OF TAMPA OBVIOUSLY
BECAUSE THE CITY OF TAMPA IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM.
THEY ARE NOT TAKING THE DECISION.
AS A CITY COUNCIL, THE LET WEAR ASK THE COMMISSION TO -- AS
THEY CONSIDER THE RATE BY TECO.
THE MAYOR WANTS ONE MILL AND THE COUNCIL CAN SAY A THIRD OR
HALF OF A MILL.
WHATEVER TECO ASKS FOR, IT DOWN UNDER MEAN THAT IS WHAT THEY
ARE GOING TO GET.
IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN SENDING A LETTER FROM TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL THAT THE COMMISSION TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE FACT
THAT, YOU KNOW, INFLATION NUMBERS ARE HIGH, EVEN THE --
TAMPA IS ONE OF THE LOWEST IN THE COUNTRY NOW, HOUSING IS
EXPENSIVE, INSURANCE, CARS, EVERYTHING IS EXPENSIVE THAT
THEY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THESE FACTORS AS THEY CONSIDER
WHATEVER RATE THEY PROPOSE.
IT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS BEING ASKED BECAUSE WE WORK
WITH TECO.
WE ARE PARTNERS WITH TECO.
I REACH OUT TO THEM FOR TREE TRIMMING.
FOR ELECTRICAL ISSUES WHATEVER IT IS ON BEHALF OF
CONSTITUENTS.
I WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE IF AN INTEREST BY COUNCIL TO
PURSUE THAT.
04:36:20PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
CAN I SAY SOMETHING.
04:36:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION.
IF THERE IS A SECOND FOR DISCUSSION.
IT CAN BE SHOT DOWN OR VOTED UP.
04:36:26PM >>LUIS VIERA:
GO AHEAD.
IF I MAY, FIRST, COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON AND THEN COUNCILMAN
MIRANDA.
IF I AM STILL ACTING AS CHAIR.
JUST MAKING SURE.
04:36:35PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU.
MY FIRST THOUGHT WHEN IT CAME TO MY MIND, I THINK WE SHOULD
STAY OUT OF IT GIVEN THAT THE COUNTY COMMISSION DID SO MUCH
TO KEEP THE MILLAGE OFF THE BALLOT FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
SCHOOL BOARD EMPLOYEES.
AND ATTEMPTED TO DO SO AFTER A COURT DECIDED IT WAS ON THE
BALLOT.
A DIFFERENT SITUATION AND IT IS ABOUT MONDAY.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE A LETTER OF
SUPPORT AND JUST NOT OUR LANE AND I DON'T THINK IT IS
NECESSARY AND I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING IT.
04:37:12PM >>LUIS VIERA:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
04:37:14PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I DON'T KNOW THAT MUCH OF IT AND HOW IT
CAME UP BEFORE ME.
I KNOW IT IS COMPLICATED BASED ON DIFFERENT FACTORS.
IF WE DO SOMETHING AND ASK FOR THEM TO DO SOMETHING, WE
OURSELVES HAVE TO DO IT FOR OUR OWN BENEFIT.
IF WE ASK THEM TO NOT TO DO, WE SHOULDN'T DO THAT EITHER.
04:37:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WELL, MR. SHELBY BROUGHT TO ME AS PART
OF THE COUNCIL RULES NO RESOLUTIONS SHOULD BE MADE.
AND THIS WILL FALL UNDER RESOLUTION THAT IS NOT RELATED TO
CITY BUSINESS BUSINESS.
04:37:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AGREE.
04:37:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
REQUIRE A --
04:37:51PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE ARE NOT GOING TO WAIVE THE RULES.
WE DIDN'T WAIVE IT FOR YOU?
04:37:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU KNOW I AM OF TWO MINDS OF THIS.
TECHNICALLY IT ISN'T OURS, BUT IT IS OURS, BECAUSE WE -- WE
DO -- I MEAN WE -- WE PAY THE FEE TOO.
AND IN THAT REGARD, THE CITY OF TAMPA ALSO PAYS.
SO -- I MEAN, I AM HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE MOTION TO SEE WHERE
IT GOES I BELIEVE IT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL IMPACT THE CITY.
04:38:30PM >>LUIS VIERA:
ANY COMMENTS.
I WILL BE SUPPORTING IT.
I VOTED AGAINST THAT COUNCIL RULE ON LETTERS AND WHATNOT
REGARDING BEING OUTSIDE OF CITY POLICE.
NUMBER ONE, TO ME, THIS DOES INVOLVE CITY BUSINESS BECAUSE
INVOLVES THE WELFARE OF CITY OF TAMPA RESIDENTS SO I WILL BE
SUPPORTING IT.
JUST BECAUSE MY REQUEST TO WAIVE RULES DON'T GET GRANTED
DOESN'T MEAN I WON'T SUPPORT OTHER PEOPLE'S REQUEST TO WAIVE
RULES BECAUSE THAT'S ME.
04:38:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU NEVER ABUSE IT.
04:38:58PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
BUT IS IT NECESSARY FOR US TO WRITE A
LETTER OF SUPPORT?
04:39:01PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IT AIN'T GOING TO HURT OR HELP.
04:39:04PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WHY ARE WE DOING IT.
04:39:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF WE ASK SOMEBODY NOT TO DO IT WITH THE
AMOUNT OR HOW THEY FIGURE IT OUT.
WE OURSELVES AT HOME EVEN THOUGH CUSTOMERS OF ELECTRIC
COMPANY, WE SHOULD PASS ANYTHING THAT COULD HURT THE PUBLIC
DURING THESE TIMES.
THAT IS ALL I AM GOING TO SAY.
04:39:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T DISAGREE AND THAT IS ONE OF THE
REASONS WE CAN WEIGH IN.
BECAUSE THIS -- I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM
OTHER RESOLUTIONS IN THAT THEY ARE HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING
AND WE AS THE COUNCIL ARE GIVING OUR OPINION TO THAT PUBLIC
HEARING.
SO.
04:39:40PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF I MAY AND I AM SORRY TO SAY IT A
COUPLE OF TIMES.
WE GOT TO LOOK AT THE ENVIRONMENT.
YOU CAN BUILD ANYTHING YOU WANT.
YOU CAN DO ANYTHING YOU WANT.
IF YOU DON'T BUILD BUILDINGS WITH SUSTAINABILITY WITH SOLAR
AND ALL THAT, YOU WILL BE PAYING MORE FOR ELECTRICITY.
MY BILL NEVER RUNS OVER $27 A MONTH.
04:40:00PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY, MR. SHELBY SHELBY I JUST HAVE A
QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I GUESS YOU AS THE MAN WITH THE GAVEL ARE MINDING A
FINDING THAT THIS CONSTITUTES CITY BUSINESS.
DOES NOT REQUIRE A WAIVER OF THE RADIO SNULS.
04:40:15PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THE LEGAL INTERPRETATION OF THAT WILL BE WITH
YOU.
IN MY OPINION, WHAT IS CITY BUSINESS AND WHAT IS NOT IS, FOR
EXAMPLE, WE WERE ASKED TODAY TO DO A LETTER REGARDING FDOT.
AND THAT MAY NOT DIRECTLY -- THAT ENTAILS THE WELFARE OF THE
CITY OF TAMPA RESIDENTS.
I THINK THAT IS CITY BUSINESS.
SO, YEAH, I I HAVE -- I HAVE MORE MOTH MODERATELY PERMISSIVE
INTERPRETATION OF THAT AND THAT IS MY INTERPRETATION.
IF YOU WANT TO DISAGREE.
04:40:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NOT MY PLACE TO DISAGREE.
THE CHAIR IS THE ONE THAT MAKES THAT DETERMINATION.
IF SOMEBODY DISAGREES THEY HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION AND
OVERRULE YOU.
I AM SAYING YOU ARE MAKING A FINDING AND THIS IS YOUR
PREROGATIVE.
04:40:58PM >>LUIS VIERA:
COUNCIL, MY VIEW OF SEEING THINGS.
WE PRESENTLY HAVE A MOTION OF COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND
SECONDED.
04:41:10PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
NO ONE SECONDED IT.
04:41:13PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:41:15PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU KNOW I HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE I HAVE TO
ABSTAIN IF YOU VOTE.
CONSIDERING THAT, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO COUNT VOTES.
04:41:22PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
SO, YEAH, I KNOW, RIGHT.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO -- IT WILL I GUESS NOT PASS, BUT WE HAVE
A MOTION AND A SECOND.
04:41:30PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IT MAY.
04:41:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE FIVE OF US.
SO EVEN IF THERE IS ONLY FIVE PEOPLE WHO CAN VOTE, A VOTE OF
FIVE?
04:41:38PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO FOUR.
04:41:39PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IT WILL FAIL.
04:41:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T KNOW THAT.
04:41:46PM >>LUIS VIERA:
A MOTION WHICH COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND
SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
TO WRITE CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION
REGARDING THE PROPOSED TECO HIKE RATES.
04:41:59PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
EXCUSE ME, THE MOTION TO THE PUBLIC SERVICE
COMMISSION.
04:42:04PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
TO TECO.
04:42:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION.
04:42:08PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
NOT THE COUNTY COMMISSION.
04:42:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO, NO.
04:42:13PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING THE COUNTY
COMMISSION.
04:42:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THOUGHT IT WAS A -- ANALOGOUS TO THE SCHOOL
BOARD THAT MAKES SENSE.
04:42:21PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OH, OKAY.
04:42:23PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AND NOT --
04:42:25PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YOU KNEW WHAT I MEANT.
WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY ANYTHING?
YEAH, WHATEVER.
04:42:30PM >>LUIS VIERA:
NOT QUALIFIED A WAIVER OF THE RULES AS I
EXEMPTED IT.
04:42:36PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I CAN SUPPORT IT.
LET'S GET IT OVER WITH.
[LAUGHTER]
04:42:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
TAKE THE VOTE.
04:42:43PM >>LUIS VIERA:
DO THE VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE -- I AM SORRY, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
BEEN A WHILE.
ANY OPPOSED?
04:42:50PM >>CLERK:
CLERK MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON
ABSTAINING AND CLENDENIN BEING ABSENT.
04:42:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU FOR INDULGING.
I DON'T TALK THAT LONG.
START GO COLOMBO.
04:43:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHAT NOW?
04:43:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COLOMBO.
04:43:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I TOLD THAT YOU.
MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU MENTIONED WE HAVE AN EVENT UPCOMING AT THE
TAMPA THEATRE FOR HISPANIC WEEK.
YOU WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION SINCE YOU ARE A CHAIR.
04:43:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I DID.
IT PASS.
THEY WILL COME TO INVITE US AS WE ALWAYS DO.
ANYTHING ELSE.
04:43:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT'S IT.
04:43:28PM >>LUIS VIERA:
COUPLE OF QUICK ONES, IF I MAY.
I SENT Y'ALL A MEMO OR SEPTEMBER 5, A MOMENT FOR PEPPIN
ACADEMY IN HONOR OF THEIR 25th ANNIVERSARY FOR TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL COMMENDATION.
04:43:39PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
04:43:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
04:43:46PM >>LUIS VIERA:
KURT TRELL ON THE BOARD OF TAMPA FIRE FIGHTERS
IS RETIRING AND WANT TO GIVE HIM AN OFF-SITE COMMENDATION.
04:43:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
04:43:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
04:44:00PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SENT A MEMO, JANUARY OF NEXT YEAR JANUARY 23,
2024, MOTION FOR PRESENTATION FOR HOLOCAUST REMEMBRANCE DAY
202025.
PURSUANT TO A AUGUST 19,2024.
04:44:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
04:44:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION AND SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
04:44:20PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I DIDN'T ASK TO -- I WAS AT -- RAQUEL PANCHO
MANY OF YOU KNOW OUR A.D.A. COORDINATOR THOMAS ALVANES FOR
HER ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE DISABILITY
COMMUNITIES AND I WANT TO GIVE HER A SHOUT OUT BECAUSE SHE
DOES A GREAT JOB IN OUR CITY FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.
A WONDERFUL PERSON.
04:44:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ABSOLUTELY.
CONGRATULATIONS.
[APPLAUSE]
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
04:44:46PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
TWO THINGS.
THEY ARE NOT MOTION.
ONE THING I WAS TALKING TO HAGAR -- HOW DO YOU SAY YOUR LAST
NAME FOR THE RECORD?
THANK YOU.
HOW DO YOU SAY IT.
04:44:59PM >> KOPESKI.
04:45:01PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I WAS SPEAKING TO HER BECAUSE SHE IS OUR
BUDGET ANALYST.
AT OUR NEXT BUDGET MEETING I WOULD LIKE FOR HER TO COME
BEFORE US AT POT PODIUM AND DISCUSSES THINGS FOR ALL OF US
AND I SOME THINGS I WOULD LIKE FOR HER TO BRING TO LIGHT FOR
YOU ALL AND I NEW AT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.
SEPTEMBER 3.
SHE HAS AGREED.
I SPOKEN TO HER.
SO SHE CAN JUST SAY SOME THINGS THAT EVEN I AM THINKING
ABOUT SO IT CAN EVEN LIGHTEN THE LOAD WHEN WE REALLY GET
INTO THE TRENCHES OF THE BUDGET DISCUSSION.
04:45:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WOULD IT BE AN ITEM OR WANT HER TO COME LIKE
AFTER THE PRESENTATION?
04:45:41PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
JUST IN FRONT OF US.
04:45:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEY USUALLY DO A PRESENTATION.
AFTER THE PRESENTATION?
04:45:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DO IT AFTER THE PRESENTATION.
04:45:48PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
DOES IT HAVE TO BE A MOTION.
04:45:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO JUST TO GIVE OUR WONDERFUL AN IDEA OF WHEN
SHE WOULD COME UP.
04:45:56PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OKAY.
MISS SULING, YOU GOT THAT?
04:46:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE DON'T NEED A MOTION.
04:46:01PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
EVERYTHING DOESN'T HAVE TO BE MOTION
AROUND HERE.
OKAY.
THE OTHER THING, IT CONTINUES TO BE BLACK BUSINESS MONTH,
AND SO I AM JUST ENCOURAGING THE PUBLIC TO SUPPORT OUR LOCAL
SMALL BUSINESSES AROUND THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THERE ARE SOME WONDERFUL INSTAGRAM POSTS THAT HIGHLIGHT
BLACK BUSINESSES THAT I DIDN'T EVEN THOUGH EXISTED ON
INSTAGRAM.
THERE IS JUST SO MUCH INFORMATION OUT THERE, SO I ENCOURAGE
TO YOU CHECK OUT SOCIAL MEDIA THERE.
THERE ARE SOME WONDERFUL SPACES THAT EXIST AND THAT IS JUST
ONE OF THE WAYS WE CAN KNOW ABOUT IT.
THANK YOU.
04:46:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
04:46:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
A BIG FESTIVAL.
B-I-G.
04:46:41PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
LAST WEEK.
PERRY HARVEY PARK.
04:46:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT BECAUSE ONE OF THE
ORGANIZERS I MET ON TUESDAY, I BELIEVE.
DEFINITELY.
FOLKS --
04:46:51PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PERRY HARVEY PARK.
HE IS GOING TO KILL ME.
I MET HER AT THE JUNETEENTH FESTIVAL.
AND SHE DROPPED SOME POSTCARDS OFF AT THE BOOK STORE.
THERE IS A FESTIVAL.
AND THAT INFORMATION IS -- OH, IT IS ACTUALLY ON OUR CITY
WEB SITE, BOTH EVENTS.
THANK YOU.
04:47:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
NO PROBLEM.
I AM EXCITED ABOUT THAT ONE.
SO SOME OF THESE ARE -- WELL, ALL OF THESE ARE THINGS I
TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.
SO -- I MOVE TO INVITE HART -- A HART REPRESENTATIVE TO
APPEAR TO THE SEPTEMBER, TO YOU, SPECIALLY CALLED BUDGET
MEETING FOR MY PROPOSAL FOR A FARE-FREE PILOT PROGRAM FOR
ROUTE 1.
04:47:35PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SECOND.
04:47:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
04:47:39PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
CAN YOU REPEAT IT AGAIN?
04:47:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:

ASKING THE HART REPRESENTATIVE TO COME AT THE SEPTEMBER 3
MEETING TO GIVE A PRESENTATION ON THE PROPOSAL FOR A
FARE-FREE PILOT AND I ALREADY SPOKEN TO A REPRESENTATIVE,
AND THEY ARE HAPPY TO COME.
04:47:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GOOD.
A MOTION AND A SECOND.
I WAS HAVING COFFEE AT MY USUAL COFFEE SHOP AND BUMPED FROM
SOMEBODY THERE.
NEVER SEEN THEM BEFORE THERE AND WET A GREAT CONVERSATION OF
THAT.
AN EXCITING MOTION.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
04:48:11PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I AM GOING TO SAY NAY ON THAT ONE FOR THE
RECORD.
04:48:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE TO REMOVE THE SMART CITY PARKING
GUIDANCE 1002525 FROM THE CIP LIST AND REALLOCATE THE $5
MILLION FROM FY '25 TO TRANSPORTATION OPERATIONS FOR PAVING
SPECIFICALLY STREET RESURFACING 1002350.
04:48:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION AND A SECOND [CLAPPING]
[GAVEL SOUNDING]
04:48:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BASICALLY WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR.
04:48:47PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU CAN STOP -- THE REASON I AM STOPPING
AND A MOTION LIKE THAT IS OUT OF ORDER THAT THE TIME.
04:48:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OH, WE HAVE TO DO IT AT THE MEETING?
04:48:57PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT MOTION HAS TO BE BROUGHT BACK --
04:49:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WAS TRYING TO GET THINGS AHEAD OF TIME SO
THEY KNEW.
04:49:04PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BUT THE TIME TO MAKE THAT MOTION IS AT THE
BUDGET HEARING.
04:49:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T THINK I AM HIDING FROM ANYBODY.
SO PROBABLY ALAN'S MOTION TOO.
I WILL WITHDRAW IT.
04:49:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
READED PREVIOUS MOTION.
04:49:18PM >>CLERK:
PREVIOUS MOTION PASSED WITH HENDERSON VOTE NOTHING.
AND CLENDENIN BEING ABSENT.
04:49:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT WAS THE HART MOTION.
04:49:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND THEN COUNCILMAN MIRANDA ALLUDED TO THIS
EARLIER.
I MOVE TO HAVE CITY COUNCIL PREPARE A RESOLUTION OPPOSE -- I
AM SORRY, MR. VIERA -- OPPOSING THE EXPANSION OF 275 FROM
HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE TO BEARSS AVENUE.
04:49:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I SECOND THAT.
I AM NOT AGAINST.
WHAT DO YOU LIVE UNDER THE SPRAY.
WE NEED TO FIND SOME OTHER FORM OF TRANSPORTATION.
IF NOT, IT IS NEVER EVER GOING TO BE SOLVED.
04:49:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT SAN EXCELLENT RESOLUTION WITH A
SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR.
ANY OPPOSED?
ANYTHING ELSE?
04:50:09PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I AM NOT GOING TO BULLDOZE ANYBODY.
04:50:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT'S RIGHT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
04:50:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
TWO THINGS REAL FAST.
THANK YOU TO COUNCILMAN VIERA FOR BRINGING UP RAQUEL.
SHE IS -- SHE IS JUST A SUPERSTAR WHO CHANGES PEOPLE'S
LIVES.
I WANT TO PERSONALLY THANK HER AS WELL.
CON STITCH WHENS IN MY DISTRICT INCREDIBLE THE DIFFERENCE
MADE.
AND YOU MAY SEE THE PROPOSAL BY THE GOVERNOR TO DEVELOP PART
OF STATE PARK TO PUT HOTELS AND GOLF COURSES AND EVERYTHING
IN.
THERE IS A FROM TEST DISCUSSION ON THAT FOR THE HILLSBOROUGH
RIVER STATE PARK THAT-AT JIMMY B. KELLY LIBRARY AT 2 P.M. ON
AUGUST 27.
04:50:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
JIMMY B. PEELE.
04:50:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION -- OH, JUST AN ANNOUNCEMENT.
ANYONE ELSE?
04:51:03PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT'S IT.
04:51:04PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MOTION RECEIVE AND FILE.
04:51:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
WE ARE ADJOURNED.
[GAVEL SOUNDING]

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