TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 5, 2024, 9:00 A.M.

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9:02:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
WELCOME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
AT THIS TIME, I YIELD TO -- WELL, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A
MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR INVOCATION.
BUT I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE PASSING OF SOMEBODY VERY
SPECIAL TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
MARGARITA GONZALEZ, MANY OF WHOM WE KNOW.
I'VE KNOWN HER MY WHOLE LIFE.
PEOPLE HERE HAVE KNOWN HER EVEN LONGER.
SHE WAS WITH THE MAYOR'S HISPANIC HERITAGE, MAYOR'S HISPANIC
ADVISORY COUNCIL, JUST THE RESUM , THE LIST GOES ON AND ON.
IF THERE WAS AN EXAMPLE OF AN ANGEL, THIS IS WHO THIS PERSON
WAS.
MY CONDOLENCES, OUR CONDOLENCES GO OUT TO HER FAMILY.
SHE WAS VERY SPECIAL TO THIS COMMUNITY.
9:02:55AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO ECHO THAT TOO.
SHE WAS ONE OF THE NICEST PEOPLE I KNEW.
WHEN I CAME BACK TO TAMPA BACK IN '94, SHE WAS ONE OF THE

FIRST PEOPLE THAT WELCOMED ME.
SHE'S BEEN LIKE FAMILY TO SO MANY PEOPLE AND HAS BEEN SUCH A
GREAT KIND LEADER IN OUR COMMUNITY.
IT'S SAD.
WE NEED MORE LEADERS LIKE THAT, NOT FEWER.
9:03:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YEP.
IF WE COULD PLEASE STAND FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOLLOWED BY
THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
[MOMENT OF SILENCE]
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:03:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
9:03:53AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
9:03:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
9:03:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
9:03:56AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PRESENT.
9:03:57AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
9:03:58AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
9:04:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
9:04:00AM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
9:04:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO ADOPT THE MINUTES FROM AUGUST 22, 2024
WORKSHOP AND THEN THE EVENING SESSION HELD ON AUGUST 29,
2024.
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.

SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE AGENDA.
I RECEIVED A MEMO FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK TO PULL ITEMS
-- AND THIS IS VERY SPECIFIC.
28, 33, 34, AND 55 IN ONE GROUP.
WE'LL HEAR THOSE UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
AND THEN THE SECOND GROUP TO BE PULLED ARE 40 AND 42
TOGETHER RIGHT AFTER ON STAFF REPORTS, IS THAT CORRECT?
9:04:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, THANK YOU.
9:04:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CAN I GET A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT?
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
ALL RIGHT.
LET ME GO THROUGH THE AGENDA HERE.
WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR -- DO WE DO THE CONTINUANCE WHEN WE
OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 1:30 FOR 64.
9:05:00AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
9:05:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE'LL WAIT ON 64.
WE'LL GO THROUGH STAFF REPORTS AND BUSINESS.

CHIEF OF STAFF, DO YOU HAVE AN ADMINISTRATION UPDATE?
9:05:06AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
GOOD MORNING TO THE PUBLIC.
ORIGINALLY WE DID NOT.
BUT AFTER LAST NIGHT'S STORM, I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL
FOR MR. BHIDE TO COME IN, VIK BHIDE, OUR DIRECTOR OF
MOBILITY AND STORMWATER, JUST TO EXPLAIN WHAT'S GOING ON
WITH THE TORRENTIAL RAINSTORMS AND OUR CAPACITY AS IT
RELATES TO OVERALL RAINFALL DURING THE SEASON.
PROBABLY A THREE TO FIVE MINUTE, HE MAY BE EVEN VIRTUAL FOR
THAT, COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
9:05:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO, ABSOLUTELY.
IT WAS MISERABLE.
IT WAS A NIGHTMARE.
ITEM NUMBER 66, WOULD WE LIKE STAFF PRESENT FOR THAT?
IT IS A $4.5 MILLION ITEM.
9:05:41AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
9:05:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IS THAT A YES?
9:05:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, I DON'T THINK WE DO.
9:05:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO ON 66.
67 GOES ALONG WITH 68.
NO.
ITEM NUMBER 69, ALMOST 4 MILLION.
WE HAVE A MEMO FROM MR. BAIRD.
DO WE NEED HIM PRESENT?

NO.
NO ON 69.
HOW ABOUT 70?
NO.
ALL RIGHT.
ITEM NUMBER 71.
9:06:10AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, PLEASE.
9:06:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES ON 71.
ITEM 72?
9:06:16AM >> YES.
9:06:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
LET'S HAVE A YES.
73.
YES ON 73.
74 WE HAVE A MEMO.
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
YES.
ITEM 75.
9:06:32AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I COULD GO BACK TO ITEM NUMBER 74.
JUST A REMINDER THAT I BELIEVE LAST WEEK COUNCILWOMAN
HENDERSON MADE A MOTION FOR GENERALLY -- FOR THE WORKSHOP.
OKAY.
AND YOU WANT SOMEBODY HERE FOR THIS ITEM.
MR. MULKEY OR SOMEBODY FROM STAFF.
9:06:54AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES, I STILL WANT SOMEONE BECAUSE THE

PUBLIC IS LISTENING.
9:06:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SOMEBODY HERE FOR 74.
75?
YES.
ALL RIGHT.
ITEM 76.
YES.
77?
9:07:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I --
9:07:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A PowerPoint.
9:07:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK THIS COULD TIE IN WITH THE
ADMINISTRATION UPDATE, MR. BHIDE, BECAUSE IT IS A PIPE
ISSUE.
NOT QUITE THE SAME.
YEAH, LET'S HAVE HIM HERE FOR THE PowerPoint.
9:07:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HOW ABOUT 78?
A WRITTEN REPORT, YES OR NO?
9:07:30AM >> YES.
9:07:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
79?
YES.
ITEM NUMBER 80 IS A WRITTEN REPORT.
THERE IS A REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE TO OCTOBER 17, 2024.
CAN I GET A MOTION?
MOTION FOR ITEM 80 TO CONTINUE TO OCTOBER 17, 2024, BY

COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE I ASK FOR AN APPROVAL OF THE
AGENDA?
WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AND THEN THE CHANGES
WERE MADE, SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
DISCUSSION?
9:08:02AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, I SUGGEST AND WOULD
RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL TO MOVE THOSE BIG-TICKET ITEMS, 66, 67,
68, 69, 70, AND 74, ALONG WITH THE STAFF REPORTS SO IT GETS
THOSE OFF THE AGENDA, MOVE THAT AT THAT POINT AFTER THAT --
9:08:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO MOVED.
9:08:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE'LL DO IT NOW.
9:08:20AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
9:08:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FOR CLARITY, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, MOTION
TO MOVE THOSE --
9:08:30AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU HAVE TO DO IT AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
INSTEAD OF TAKING IT UP UNDER STAFF REPORTS, TAKE IT WITH
THE CONSENT DOCKET.
9:08:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AGENDA
WITH THE CHANGES.
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?

AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:08:45AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
9:08:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE'LL GO INTO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1.
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA WITH THE POLICE OFFICER OF THE MONTH.
9:09:06AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
IT'S A GREAT PLEASURE HERE TO PRESENT ON BEHALF OF TAMPA
CITY COUNCIL OUR TAMPA POLICE OFFICER OF THE MONTH.
LIKE I ALWAYS SAY, WE ALWAYS DO THIS FOR OUR POLICE OFFICERS
AS WELL AS OUR FIREFIGHTERS TO REFLECT ON HOW IMPORTANT
PUBLIC SAFETY IS HERE TO OUR CITY OF TAMPA AND FOR OUR
POLICE OFFICERS TO SHOW THAT OUR CITY OF TAMPA SUPPORTS LAW
ENFORCEMENT AND THE HARD WORK THAT THEY DO.
HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS INDIVIDUAL'S AMAZING WORK WILL BE
CHIEF KATE.
9:09:34AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
DEPUTY CHIEF RUTH KATE ON BEHALF OF CHIEF BERCAW WHO SENDS
HIS REGRETS.
INTRODUCE TO YOU DETECTIVE JUAN RAMOS FROM OUR HOMICIDE
SQUAD.
HE'S BEEN A DETECTIVE FOR SOME TIME BUT WE'LL ONLY HIGHLIGHT
ONE CASE WHICH YOU MAY RECOGNIZE AND THAT IS THE REASON WHY
HE IS OFFICER OF THE MONTH FOR SEPTEMBER 2024.
THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT IS PROUD TO ANNOUNCE DETECTIVE

JUAN RAMOS AS OFFICER OF THE MONTH.
THE EXCEPTIONAL DEDICATION, INVESTIGATIVE SKILLS AND
COLLABORATIVE EFFORTS DEMONSTRATED BY DETECTIVE RAMOS WERE
INSTRUMENTAL IN SOLVING A HIGH-PROFILE HOMICIDE CASE.
ON JUNE 23rd, 2024, A FATAL SHOOTING OCCURRED AT A LOCAL
HOTEL RESULTING IN THE DEATH OF A MUSICAL ARTIST CHARLES
JONES, MORE COMMONLY KNOWN AS JULIO FOOLIO.
DETECTIVE RAMOS COMMITTED HIMSELF FULLY TO THIS COMPLEX
CASE.
HIS FIRST HOMICIDE INVESTIGATION AS THE LEAD DETECTIVE.
WORKING MORE THAN 140 HOURS IN THE FIRST TWO WEEKS ALONE AND
PLACED AN OBVIOUS STRAIN ON HIS FAMILY, WHO FULLY SUPPORTS
HIM, HE WENT IN RELENTLESS PURSUIT OF JUSTICE FOR MR. JONES.
THROUGH METICULOUS INVESTIGATION AND COLLABORATION WITH THE
JACKSONVILLE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, DETECTIVE RAMOS SUCCESSFULLY
IDENTIFIED FIVE SUSPECTS LINKED TO THE HOMICIDE.
THESE INDIVIDUALS WERE FOUND TO HAVE TRAVELED FROM
JACKSONVILLE WITH THE INTENT OF TARGETING MR. JONES.
DETECTIVE RAMOS TIRELESS EFFORTS, STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AND
STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP WITH THE JACKSONVILLE SHERIFF'S OFFICE
PLAYED A CRUCIAL ROLE IN QUICKLY BRINGING FOUR OF THESE
INDIVIDUALS INTO CUSTODY.
ONE MORE IS STILL OUTSTANDING, BUT WE WILL GET HIM.
BEYOND THE RESULTS OF THE IMMEDIATE HOMICIDE INVESTIGATION,
DETECTIVE RAMOS' TENACITY HAD A FAR-REACHING IMPACT.

HIS DILIGENT EFFORTS LED TO THE DISCOVERY OF NEW EVIDENCE
RELATED TO OTHER UNSOLVED HOMICIDE CASES IN JACKSONVILLE.
THIS EVIDENCE HAS PROVIDED FRESH NEW LEADS AND HAS ADVANCED
THOSE INVESTIGATIONS TOO.
DETECTIVE RAMOS' COMMITMENT TO JUSTICE AND EXCEPTIONAL
INVESTIGATIVE SKILLS ARE EXEMPLARY.
HIS DEDICATION AND PERSEVERANCE HAVE MADE A SIGNIFICANT
CONTRIBUTION TO THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OUR
COMMUNITY, BEYOND MAKING TAMPA SAFER, HIS EFFECTIVE
PARTNERSHIP WITH THE OTHER AGENCIES HAS ALSO HELPED ANOTHER
COMMUNITY SOLVE AND BRING JUSTICE TO OTHER VICTIMS.
IT IS FOR THESE REASONS HE IS OUR OFFICER OF THE MONTH.
CONGRATULATIONS.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:12:18AM >>LUIS VIERA:
DETECTIVE, BEFORE WE HEAR FROM YOU AND BEFORE
WE HEAR FROM CITY COUNCIL, THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THE
COMMUNITY HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS THEIR SINCERE
APPRECIATION FOR YOUR WORK, SIR.
9:12:30AM >> CONGRATULATIONS ON BEHALF OF TAMPA PBA, PRESENT THIS TO
YOU.
9:12:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COME TO THE MICROPHONE.
9:12:35AM >> JOHN MILLER, TAMPA PBA ON BEHALF OF MEMBERS OF THE TAMPA
POLICE DEPARTMENT, CONGRATULATE YOU AND PRESENT THIS AS A
TOKEN OF ALL OF OUR APPRECIATION.
[ APPLAUSE ]

9:12:50AM >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR KEEPING US SAFE.
ON BEHALF OF CASPERS COMPANY, CASPERS FAMILY, OXFORD
EXCHANGE, LIKE FOR YOU AND YOUR LOVED ONES ENJOY BRUNCH,
LUNCH, BOOKSTORE.
THANK YOU FOR KEEPING US SAFE.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:13:08AM >> STRAZ CENTER FOR THE PERFORMING ARTS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR KEEPING OUR STREETS SAFE AND THAT
DETERMINATION IS REALLY VERY IMPRESSIVE.
THESE ARE TWO TICKETS TO COME AND ENJOY A NIGHT AT THE STRAZ
CENTER.
THANK YOU.
9:13:23AM >> I APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:13:26AM >> MIKE McARTHUR, STEPP'S TOWING SERVICE.
CONGRATULATIONS ON JOB WELL DONE.
LIKE TO PRESENT YOU WITH A GIFT CARD FOR A NIGHT OUT, DINNER
ON US.
CONGRATULATIONS.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:13:42AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MARY LOU BAILEY.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF ZOO TAMPA.

I SERVE ON THE BOARD THERE.
WE'RE PRESENTING WITH YOU A FAMILY MEMBERSHIP FOR THE YEAR
FOR THE ZOO.
WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING THE MANATEE SPECIAL ANIMAL.
CRITICAL CARE FACILITY FOR THE MANATEES WHO GET HURT AND
SICK IN THE WILD.
LIKE YOU TAKE CARE OF US, WE TRY TO TAKE CARE OF THE
ANIMALS.
I REALLY APPRECIATED YOUR STORY.
I WANTED TO COMMENT ON THE TWO QUALITIES YOU APPARENTLY HAVE
IN ABUNDANCE OF TENACITY AND COLLABORATION.
THOSE TWO THINGS TOGETHER WILL TAKE YOU FAR, MY MAN.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR SERVICE.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY WHO SERVES.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:14:20AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
BRIAN FORD WITH THE BUCCANEERS.
DETECTIVE, STORY IS UNBELIEVABLE THAT YOU -- YOUR EXTENDED
EFFORTS FOR THE JONES' FAMILY.
REMARKABLE.
WE HAVE A TRADITION AT ONE BUC.
ANYBODY THAT GOES OVER AND ABOVE GETS A GAME BALL.
ON BEHALF OF THE GLAZER FAMILY AND OUR ENTIRE ORGANIZATION,
I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THIS TO YOU AND SAY THANK YOU AND
YOUR FAMILY FOR YOUR SERVICE AND SACRIFICE.

9:14:44AM >> THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE IT SO MUCH.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:14:50AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
JILL WITECKI FROM TAMPA THEATRE.
WHEN THEY MAKE THE MOVIE OF YOUR STORY, I HOPE WE GET TO
SHOW IT.
IN THE MEANTIME, ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY
TO COME SEE US OVER THE NEXT YEAR.
9:15:03AM >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:15:08AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I'M GRACE GONZALEZ HERE ON BEHALF OF THE GONZMART FAMILY AND
1905 FAMILY OF RESTAURANTS.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND BEING COMMITTED TO OUR CITY AND
COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU FOR BEING COMMITTED TO JUSTICE.
ENJOY A NIGHT OUT AT THE COLUMBIA, GOODY GOODY, ULELE, ENJOY
SANGRIA, HAVE A NIGHT OUT AND RELAX.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:15:36AM >> NEED A BIG TOTE BAG.
MAYBE A ROLLING SUITCASE.
STEVE MICHELINI HERE ON BEHALF OF A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT
FOLKS.
PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE WE HAVE A NEW COMPANY THAT'S JOINING IN

THIS PRESENTATION.
GREEK RESTAURANT IS PROVIDING YOU WITH A GIFT CERTIFICATE
FOR $50.
ENJOY YOURSELF OVER THERE FOR LUNCH.
JACKSON'S BISTRO ON HARBOUR ISLAND.
CICCIO'S RESTAURANT GROUP.
THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF RESTAURANTS AROUND TOWN.
BREAKFAST, LUNCH, OR DINNER.
BEHALF OF YUMMY HOUSE CHINA BISTRO AND WE SAY THE CHIEF
LIKES TO GRAB THAT ONE FROM YOU.
MEAT MARKET IN OLD HYDE PARK.
PROVIDING YOU A HUNDRED DOLLAR GIFT CERTIFICATE.
TAKE THESE LETTERS WITH YOU AS WELL AS THE GIFT
CERTIFICATES, PLEASE.
BELLABRAVA IN THE MIDTOWN SECTION.
GO ENJOY YOURSELF AND CONGRATULATIONS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
9:16:34AM >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
APPRECIATE IT.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:16:43AM >>LUIS VIERA:
DETECTIVE, ON BEHALF OF A VERY GRATEFUL CITY
OF TAMPA AND TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, IT IS OUR GREAT PLEASURE
AND HONOR TO GIVE YOU THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL COMMENDATION.
9:16:59AM >> THANK YOU, EVERYONE, FOR TAKING THE TIME TO BE HERE.
THANK YOU, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, FOR YOUR TIME AND HAVING ME

HERE.
THIS CASE WAS ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE AND THERE WAS A LOT OF
MOVING PARTS.
I KNOW I'M BEING RECOGNIZED BECAUSE I WAS THE LEAD DETECTIVE
IN IT BUT I COULD NOT HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF
THE TEAM BEHIND ME.
THANK FIRST MY WIFE.
SHE HELD DOWN THE HOUSE AND SUPPORTED ME DURING THE VERY
LONG HOURS I WAS GONE ON THIS INVESTIGATION.
I'D LIKE TO THANK MY SQUAD MATES, HOMICIDE SQUAD,
SPECIFICALLY THOSE WHO HELPED ME DIRECTLY ON THE CASE AND MY
SUPERVISOR AND SERGEANT KELLY AND OBVIOUSLY THE COMMAND
STAFF.
WE ALL CAME TOGETHER AND WORKED WITH THE JACKSONVILLE
SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO DELIVER JUSTICE ON THIS CASE.
I COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT THEM.
OF COURSE, THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, SUSIE LOPEZ AND THE
PROSECUTING TEAM.
DEFINITELY A TEAM EFFORT.
THANK ALL OF THEM FOR THE MOMENT THAT GOT ME HERE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
HAVE A GOOD DAY.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:18:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:18:03AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
DETECTIVE, I COULD TELL YOU THE SMARTEST

DETECTIVE I EVER MET.
YOU KNOW WHY?
YOU SAY THANK YOU FIRST.
9:18:13AM >> OF COURSE, YES.
9:18:14AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOUR WIFE.
ABOVE ALL, YOU HAVE MORE BRAINS THAN I DO.
[ LAUGHTER ]
BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR CALMNESS AND YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE
THAT YOU RECOGNIZE EVERYONE THAT HAD A HAND IN THIS THING.
YOU CAN'T DO EVERYTHING BY YOURSELF.
YOU KNOW THAT.
THE WORLD KNOWS THAT.
BUT YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT FEW OF US HAVE.
THAT IS THE TENACITY TO NEVER GIVE UP AND SMELL WHERE YOU'RE
GOING NEXT.
GOD-GIVEN THING THAT WHEN YOU ARE IN THE POLICE FORCE, NO
MATTER WHERE YOU ARE AT, YOU HAVE TO THINK LIKE THEY DO IN
ORDER TO CATCH THEM.
YOU HAVE THE NATURAL ABILITY.
GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
9:18:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
9:18:48AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP, TENACITY,
SMARTS.
THANK YOU TO YOUR TEAM, YOUR WIFE, AS YOU SAID, AND YOUR
FAMILY, BUT SEEING WHAT YOU'VE DONE FROM THE START ON THIS

CASE, HOPEFULLY WON'T HAVE MORE MURDERS.
IF WE DO, I HOPE YOU'RE THERE HELPING TO PROTECT THE
COMMUNITY.
9:19:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CONGRATULATIONS, SIR.
VERY WELL DESERVED.
I KNOW THIS WAS A VERY HIGH-PROFILE CASE ALL OVER THE MEDIA.
ALREADY SAID MULTIPLE TIMES, THANK YOU TO YOUR FAMILY FOR
YOUR SACRIFICE BECAUSE IT'S NOT EASY.
YOU'RE WORKING ENDLESS LONG HOURS, OVERTIME, ABOVE AND
BEYOND YOU AND YOUR TEAM.
WHAT YOU DO, PEOPLE DON'T SEE, BUT YOU'RE ALWAYS OUT THERE
AND ALWAYS WORKING.
THANK YOU FOR THAT WORK AND THANK YOU FOR THAT SACRIFICE
THAT YOU MAKE EVERY DAY, SIR.
CONGRATULATIONS.
[ APPLAUSE ]
TAKE A MOMENT BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT ITEM.
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, WE'LL RECOGNIZE PEPIN ACADEMIES IN
HONOR OF THEIR 25th ANNIVERSARY.
I SEE SCOTT HERE, A FRIEND OF MINE FOR A LONG TIME.
GOOD TO SEE YOU, SIR.
9:20:55AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCIL.
IT'S A REAL GREAT PLEASURE TO BE HERE TODAY.
WE ARE HERE TO HONOR OUR FRIENDS AT PEPIN ACADEMIES FOR 25
YEARS OF SERVICE.

WE HAVE A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE HERE WITH US.
MR. TOM PEPIN, WHO IS THE FOUNDER OF THE PEPIN FAMILY
FOUNDATION.
WE HAVE TINA PEPIN, WHO IS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE PEPIN
FAMILY FOUNDATION.
WE HAVE CRISHA SCOLARO, THE FOUNDER OF PEPIN ACADEMIES.
WE HAVE MR. SCOTT STREPINA, THE BOARD CHAIR OF PEPIN
ACADEMIES HILLSBOROUGH.
JEFF SKOWRONEK, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF PEPIN ACADEMIES.
MONICA PEREZ, COO OF PEPIN ACADEMIES.
JENNIFER, THE PRINCIPAL AT PEPIN ACADEMIES.
CHRISTINA DIAZ, EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT OF PEPIN ACADEMIES, AND
WE HAVE PHYLLIS GUTHMAN, OUR GOOD FRIEND FROM McDONALD
TRAINING CENTER, ANOTHER ORGANIZATION THAT DOES SO MUCH FOR
PEOPLE WITH INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES.
WE'RE HERE TODAY TO HONOR PEPIN ACADEMIES.
FOR ME, AS YOU KNOW, MY BROTHER JUAN, YESTERDAY, JUAN WAS AT
THE HOSPITAL WITH MINOR SURGERY.
GOD BLESS HIM.
MY OLDEST BROTHER JUAN IS INTELLECTUALLY DISABLED.
I KNOW FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH MY MOM AND DAD HOW
IMPORTANT INSTITUTIONS LIKE PEPIN ARE TO FAMILIES, RAISING
CHILDREN WITH SPECIAL NEEDS.
WHEN YOU GOT A KID WHO HAS AN INTELLECTUAL DISABILITY,
WHETHER AUTISM, DOWN SYNDROME, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, ALL YOU

WANT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT KID HAS A PILLOW, SO TO SPEAK, TO
PUT HIS OR HER HEAD DOWN AT NIGHT, SO TO SPEAK.
THAT INCLUDES GOOD EDUCATION, HOUSING, A CULTURE WHO ACCEPTS
THEM FOR WHO THEY ARE, ET CETERA.
FILLING IN THAT GAP FOR SO MANY FAMILIES FOR A QUARTER
CENTURY HAS BEEN PEPIN ACADEMIES.
WHENEVER I THINK OF PEPIN ACADEMIES, I THINK OF THE STORIES
OF HOPE THEY HAVE GIVEN TO SO MANY FAMILIES WITH KIDS OF
INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES.
MY FORMER STAFFER, CONNER DARK, WHO NOW WORKS WITH THE CLERK
OF COURT, I THINK OF THE WONDERFUL PROGRAMS THEY ARE DOING
THIS YEAR, CITY OF TAMPA IS FUNDING A WELDING PROGRAM THAT
PEPIN ACADEMIES IS DOING FOR YOUNG PEOPLE.
PEPIN ACADEMIES MAKES DREAMS HAPPEN FOR PEOPLE WHOSE ONLY
DREAM IS TO MAKE SURE THEIR KIDS GET ACCEPTANCE, LOVE AND
RESPECT.
SOMETHING THAT EVERY PERSON SHOULD HAVE.
IT IS OUR GREAT PLEASURE ON BEHALF OF A GRATEFUL CITY OF
TAMPA TO HONOR THE LEGACY OF PEPIN ACADEMIES, THE VISION OF
THE PEPIN FAMILY, THE PEPIN NAME MEANS SO MUCH TO PEOPLE IN
THE TAMPA AREA WHO HAVE LOVED ONES WITH INTELLECTUAL
DISABILITIES.
LIKE McDONALD TRAINING CENTER, BEST BUDDIES, SPECIAL
OLYMPICS, IT IS PART OF THE FAMILY THAT IS THERE FOR PEOPLE.
ON BEHALF OF A GRATEFUL COMMUNITY, OUR PLEASURE AND HONOR TO

GIVE PEPIN ACADEMIES THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL COMMENDATION
FOR 25 YEARS OF SERVICE.
I WILL ASK MR. TOM PEPIN TO COME FORWARD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
GO AHEAD.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:24:12AM >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THOSE KIND WORDS.
THERE'S NOT MUCH THAT I CAN SAY AFTER THAT.
GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS TINA PEPIN.
I AM THE PROUD DIRECTOR OF THE PEPIN FAMILY FOUNDATION.
TODAY WE CELEBRATE 25 YEARS, AND 25 YEARS AGO OUR FAMILY
INVESTED IN STUDENTS IN THE EDUCATION SYSTEM WHO HAD UNIQUE
ABILITIES AND JUST NEEDED A LITTLE BIT MORE HELP.
THAT IDEA WAS BROUGHT TO US BY THIS COURAGEOUS WOMAN BEHIND
ME, CRISHA AND A GROUP OF FAMILIES THAT RECOGNIZED THE NEED
FOR SPECIAL EDUCATION, FOR STUDENTS IN THE GENERAL EDUCATION
ENVIRONMENT THAT JUST WEREN'T SUCCEEDING AS MUCH AS THEY
COULD BE.
THAT'S WHY IT IS SO IMPORTANT, TODAY IS THE RECOGNITION OF
THAT HARD WORK, THE CHOICE THAT YOU ALL RECOGNIZE THAT IS
NEEDED IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE KNOW JUST LIKE THE DETECTIVE SAID THIS MORNING, IT'S A
TEAM EFFORT.
IMPROVING THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF STUDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY,

IN THE SYSTEM IS A TEAM EFFORT.
WE THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING THE DIFFERENCE THAT IS NEEDED
IN OUR COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU FOR THE HONOR TODAY.
THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:25:22AM >> CITY COUNCIL, THANK YOU, MR. VIERA AND ALL OF YOU FOR
THIS RECOGNITION.
25 YEARS IS EXCITING FOR ME TO CELEBRATE, NOT BECAUSE OF
PEPIN ACADEMIES, WHAT IT DOES FOR STUDENTS WITH LEARNING
DISABILITIES BUT WHAT IT MEANS TO GET HERE FOR 25 YEARS AND
LOOKING BACK AT ALL THE PEOPLE PART OF THE SUCCESS.
SHE KNOWS THAT SHE LOOKS TODAY AND SAYS, WOW, 25 YEARS AGO I
HAD 17 STUDENTS IN A BOX AND TODAY WE SERVE ALMOST 1200
STUDENTS ACROSS THREE CAMPUSES.
A BOX HAS TURNED INTO THREE 55,000 SQUARE FEET PLUS
FACILITIES THAT SERVES STUDENTS AND GIVING THEM THE CHANCE
TO BE SUCCESSFUL, TO BE HEARD, TO BE BELIEVED IN, AS YOU'VE
MENTIONED.
YOU HAVE TAKEN YOUR LOVE FOR YOUR BROTHER AND EXPANDED IT
THROUGH THE CITY AND EMBRACED US.
THE CITY HAS EMBRACED US.
TRANSITION WORK AND INTERNS AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
BEEN AT THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE DOING WORKFORCE
EXPERIENCE FOR ALMOST 15 YEARS OF THESE 25.

YOU HAVE EMBRACED US AND WE HAVE EMBRACED YOU.
WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THAT.
I THANK EVERYONE BEHIND THAT YOU WERE GENEROUS TO MENTION.
OUR BOARD CHAIR, COO, EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT, THESE TWO MAKE
ALL THE DECISIONS YOU SEE HAPPEN EVERY DAY.
OF COURSE, THE PEPIN FAMILY.
PHYLLIS, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, ALLOWING ME TO BE HONORED
TO DO THAT.
ME AND YOU SHARE A LOVE FOR SOMETHING, TOLD US TIME IS
UNDEFEATED.
BUT I DIDN'T HEAR NO BELL.
9:26:56AM >>LUIS VIERA:
ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD?
9:27:03AM >> CRISHA SCOLARO WILLIAMS.
THANK YOU TO PHYLLIS GUTHMAN BECAUSE MANY DON'T REALIZE SHE
WAS COACHING ME YEARS BEFORE PEPIN OPENED, ENCOURAGING A
MOTHER WHO SAW A GREAT NEED THAT WAS NEEDED AND HELP MAKE IT
HAPPEN.
BUT IT ALL GOES TO TOM AND ART PEPIN WHO WE USED TO HAVE
LITTLE MEETINGS WHERE PARENTS WOULD ASK WHAT WE WERE DOING
AND BOTH SAID, I KIND OF THINK THIS MIGHT BE GOOD FOR OUR
CITY.
AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
THANK YOU.
9:27:41AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
ANYBODY ELSE AT ALL?

TOM, PHYLLIS, ANYBODY?
OKAY.
JUST MAKING SURE.
BEFORE WE GO TO COUNCIL, AGAIN, PEPIN, THEY DO AMAZING WORK.
JEFF, IT'S NOT ABOUT HOW HARD YOU HIT BUT HOW HARD YOU CAN
GET HIT.
QUOTE ROCKY 6, THAT'S --
9:28:06AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
AGAIN, THANKS TO ALL OF YOU.
BEEN SAID BEFORE, BUT THE PEPIN FAMILY HAS DONE NOT ONLY
HERE BUT IN THIS CASE IN YOUR ACADEMY, BUT ALSO MEDICINE IN
THE PAST AND YOUR FATHER AND SO FORTH AND WHAT YOU CONTINUE
TO DO IS AN HONOR TO HAVE YOU CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
[ENCODER DISCONNECT]
THANK YOU, CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL OF YOU.
GOD BLESS EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.
9:28:55AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
GOOD MORNING.
CONGRATULATIONS ON REACHING THIS WONDERFUL MILESTONE.
I LOVE PEPIN.
ONE OF MY FAVORITE STUDENTS, ADRIAN VILA IS NOW WORKING AT
OUR MASTERS IN TEXAS.
ONE OF MY FAVORITE STUDENTS, BUT ALONG WITH HER BROTHER AND
SISTER WHO ALSO ATTENDED, YOUR GRADUATION CEREMONIES ARE
JUST A DELIGHT.
I WISH YOU MORE SUCCESS AND CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR THREE

CAMPUSES AS WELL.
9:29:23AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE'RE SMILING BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO
GIVE COMMENTS NOW, BUT SINCE EVERYBODY IS, WE WILL BECAUSE
IT'S SO COMPELLING TO WANT TO SAY SOMETHING POSITIVE.
IF THEY DON'T SAY ANYTHING, IT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT
TO.
THANK YOU ALL FOR THE 25 YEARS AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE
ANOTHER 25.
I WANT TO IN PARTICULAR THANK THE PEPIN FAMILY.
MY FIRST JOB WAS IN SPORTS PROMOTION.
I WORKED WITH YOUR FAMILY.
I DON'T REMEMBER IF I MET YOU, BUT I WORKED WITH YOUR FAMILY
BACK IN THE '80s.
YOU ALL HAVE DONE SO MUCH IN SO MANY WAYS.
ONE OF THE MOST PHILANTHROPIC FAMILIES IN OUR COMMUNITY.
SO MANY BUSINESSES DO A FRACTION OF WHAT YOU ALL DO.
THIS IS ONE OF THE MANY, MANY AREAS OF IMPACT THAT YOU ALL
HAVE HAD.
SO THANK YOU.
9:30:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
CONGRATULATIONS.
9:30:07AM >>LUIS VIERA:
ONE LAST THING, IF I MAY.
WE TALKED ABOUT GRADUATES, I WOULD BE REMISS IF WE DIDN'T
MENTION A GRADUATE FROM PEPIN WHO WAS TAKEN FROM US ALMOST A

YEAR AGO IN OCTOBER.
HARRISON BOONSTOPPEL.
ONE OF MANY.
9:30:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
NEXT WE HAVE THE FLORIDA ORCHESTRA TO DO A FIVE-MINUTE
PRESENTATION TO REPORT ON THE SERVICES IT PROVIDES TO CITY
RESIDENTS.
9:30:49AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
THIS IS IGNACIO BARRON VIELA, PRESIDENT AND CEO OF FLORIDA
ORCHESTRA.
IT IS A PLEASURE BEING HERE TODAY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE SOME OF
THIS ON THE FLORIDA ORCHESTRA.
I HAVE A FEW SLIDES TO DISPLAY HERE.
GIVE AN UPDATE ON LAST SEASON AND AS WE PREPARE FOR THE
UPCOMING SEASON.
FIRST TIME HERE.
GOOD TO SEE YOU AND MEET YOU.
START WITH WHY WE EXIST.
THE FLORIDA ORCHESTRA IS HERE TO TRANSFORM LIVES.
THROUGH THE POWER OF MUSIC, WE REALLY HAVE A LOT OF
EXPERIENCES AND STORIES FROM FAMILIES THAT HAVE BEEN TOUCHED
AND MOVED BY WHAT WE DO.
WE BUILD COMMUNITY THROUGH THE POWER OF MUSIC.
WE INSPIRE, EDUCATE AND UNITE THROUGH WHAT WE DO.

WE HAVE MORE THAN 56 YEARS OF HISTORY.
AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE THE LARGEST PROFESSIONAL ORCHESTRA IN
THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
OUR MUSIC DIRECTOR IS INTERNATIONALLY ACCLAIMED ARTIST
MICHAEL FRANCIS.
WE ARE CELEBRATING HIS 10th ANNIVERSARY THIS YEAR.
THE ORCHESTRA HAS BEEN TRANSFORMED SINCE HE ARRIVED.
CHELSEA GALLO, YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN HER IN TAMPA, ALONG WITH
70 FULL-TIME MUSICIANS.
MANY HAVE 20, 30 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.
NOT ONLY COMING FROM THE UNITED STATES BUT WORLDWIDE.
THESE MUSICIANS MOVE TO TAMPA AND START HERE WITH THEIR
FAMILY.
WE ALSO HAVE A TEAM OF 30 STAFF MEMBERS.
ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGET IS ABOUT 14 MILLION.
WANTED TO MENTION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA WE PERFORM A NUMBER
OF VENUES.
WE ALSO HAVE CONCERTS AT THE TAMPA THEATRE, JULIAN B. LANE
AND -- WE ARE EXCITED TO ANNOUNCE A NEW LOCATION THIS
UPCOMING SEASON AT YBOR CITY.
WE SERVE AROUND 150,000 PEOPLE EVERY YEAR IN THE CONCERT
HALL, CLASSROOM, AND COMMUNITY.
PROUD TO PRESENT WORLD-CLASS ARTISTS.
WE ARE KNOWN TO PROVIDE MUSIC FOR EVERYBODY FROM CLASSICS,
POP, ROCK, COUNTRY.

WANTED TO MENTION LAST YEAR, THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE
CONCERT AT THE MORSANI HALL WHICH WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL.
I WANT TO EMPHASIZE AND HIGHLIGHT HOW STRONG OF PARTNERS WE
HAVE WITH THE STRAZ CENTER, INCLUDING OPERA TAMPA.
STARTED A RELATIONSHIP WITH OPERA TAMPA THREE YEARS AGO AND
LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE MUSIC PERFORMANCES
WITH OPERA TAMPA IN THE FUTURE.
LAST YEAR, WE PERFORMED ABOUT 24 CONCERTS IN TAMPA.
18 OF THEM WERE AT THE STRAZ.
TWO WERE AT THE PARKS.
AND FOUR IN OTHER TAMPA INDOOR VENUES.
THAT'S AROUND 30,000 PATRONS ATTENDING OUR CONCERTS IN
TAMPA.
THIS UPCOMING SEASON WE ARE PLANNING TO PRESENT 25 CONCERTS
IN TAMPA, 20 CONCERTS AT THE STRAZ -- AND THREE IN OTHER
VENUES.
OPENING CONCERT IN TAMPA WILL BE OCTOBER 12.
IT IS OUR POPS CONCERT SERIES.
MAYOR CASTOR HAS ACCEPTED TO ATTEND THE PERFORMANCE.
WE'RE ALWAYS VERY GRATEFUL TO REPRESENT AND SHARE THE POWER
OF THE ORCHESTRA IN THE COMMUNITY.
ON A YEARLY BASIS WE SERVE AROUND 60,000 PEOPLE THROUGH OUR
COMMUNITY PROGRAMS.
I WANT TO MENTION THIS SEASON WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO
PRESENT A COMBINED PERFORMANCE FROM BLAKE HIGH SCHOOL AND

UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA MUSICIANS.
SPECIAL SERVICE WE PROVIDE IS THROUGH OUR STRINGS PROGRAM
FOR YOUTH.
IN PARTICULAR, IN TAMPA, 14 GIRLS AND 14 BOYS.
IT IS A NEW PARTNERSHIP THAT WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE
WHAT WE DO WITH MUSIC.
OTHER EXAMPLES OF WHAT WE DO.
SIDE BY SIDE CONCERTS WITH THE TAMPA YOUTH ORCHESTRA,
WELL-KNOWN PERFORMANCES WHERE WE HAVE HIGH SCHOOLS FROM ALL
OVER, INCLUDING BLAKE AND BLOOMINGDALE HIGH SCHOOLS, TAMPA
METROPOLITAN YOUTH ORCHESTRA AND SO ON.
THIS YEAR WE'RE GOING TO PARTNER WITH THE GASPARILLA MUSIC
FESTIVAL FOR THE FIRST TIME.
THAT IS ANOTHER EXCITING PARTNERSHIP COMING UP.
WANTED TO SHARE THAT WE'RE KNOWN TO BE AN ARTS AND CULTURE
DESTINATION AND KNOWN FOR THE ECONOMIC IMPACT IN THE
COMMUNITY AND THE DOLLARS WE CAN GENERATE THROUGH OUR
CONCERTS.
I KNOW TIME IS UP.
I WANTED TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO AGAIN REMIND YOU IN THE
TEN YEARS OF MICHAEL FRANCIS, ON BEHALF OF THE FLORIDA
ORCHESTRA, THANK THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR THEIR CONTINUED
SUPPORT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
WE CONTINUE TO PROVIDE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

ANY QUESTIONS, HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
9:36:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION AND ALL THAT THE ORCHESTRA
DOES.
IT'S A WONDERFUL COMMUNITY ASSET.
THANK YOU, SIR.
WE'LL KICK IT OFF WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
ONE REGISTERED SPEAKER, MR. MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
START WITH HIM AND THEN FIVE IN-PERSON SPEAKERS.
GOOD MORNING, MR. RANDOLPH.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:36:42AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT ZION CEMETERY.
DECEMBER 10, 2019, A PRESENTATION WAS MADE BEFORE THE CITY
COUNCIL CONCERNING THE CEMETERY.
ON MARCH THE 5th, 2020, ANOTHER PRESENTATION WAS MADE.
GIVE A LITTLE HISTORY.
THE CEMETERY WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1901.
FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN CEMETERY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
HOWEVER, BY THE MID '20s, IT HAD BEEN BUILT OVER AND
ESSENTIALLY ERASED FROM THE MAP.
WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THIS IS IT WAS AN AFRICAN AMERICAN
RICHARD DOLBY, WHO ACTUALLY PURCHASED THE LAND.
THE PROPERTY THAT ONCE WAS COMPOSED OF THE REMAINS OF THE

CEMETERY IS OWNED BY THREE BUSINESSES -- TAMPA HOUSING
AUTHORITY, SUN STATE RECORDS SERVICES AND -- COLUMBIA
RESTAURANT.
ONE OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS IS A FAMILY MEMBER.
WILLIAMS.
SHE IS A FAMILY MEMBER ON THE CEMETERY.
WHAT IS UNIQUE ABOUT THIS DEAL IT IS A PUBLIC/PRIVATE
RELATIONSHIP, ONE OF THE FIRST KIND IN THE NATION.
THE PROGRAM THAT'S COMING UP IS CALLED MEMORIAL CEMETERY AND
-- CENTER.
RESOURCES INCLUDING GOVERNMENT FOUNDATIONS AND CORPORATION.
GIVE A BREAKDOWN OF THE SOURCES.
$7.9 MILLION.
MEMORIAL DESIGN 230,000.
STATE RESTORED MARKER IS GOING TO BE 7500.
AND STATE LOCAL MARKER GOING TO BE 5,000.
FENCING AND SECURITY 30,000.
DEMOLITION IS GOING TO BE 500,000.
THE PARK DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE 5 MILLION.
AND THE CENTER IS GOING TO BE 1.9 MILLION.
WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THIS, THIS IS GOING TO ALLOW US TO BRING
IN FUNDING IN ORDER TO SUSTAIN THE FINANCES RELATED TO THIS
PARTICULAR PROJECT.
UNFORTUNATELY, AT THIS POINT, THE TWO BUSINESS OWNERS ARE
NOT AT THE TABLE, AND WE RISK LOSING ALL OF THE MONEY

RELATED TO THE $7.9 MILLION THAT WE HAVE LINED UP.
ON THE 20th OF THIS MONTH, BE GIVING THE ONLINE MEETING OF
THE FORGOTTEN 400, A NATIONAL CRISIS AT 7 P.M.
THIS IS GOING TO BE A CONVERSATION RELATED TO BLACK
CEMETERIES THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES.
WE THINK THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE TAMPA PROJECT IS
GOING TO BE ONE OF A KIND IN THE NATION.
THANK YOU.
9:39:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
THAT CONCLUDES THE ONLINE PUBLIC COMMENT.
I HAVE A FEW MORE COMMENT CARDS.
WE'LL GO TO IN-PERSON PUBLIC COMMENT.
FIRST UP IS MS. STEPHANIE POYNOR.
FOLLOWED BY MS. CONNIE BURTON.
GOOD MORNING, MA'AM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:40:13AM >> GOOD MORNING.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I HATE GOING FIRST BECAUSE I WANT TO HEAR WHAT THE OTHER
CITIZENS HAVE TO SAY BECAUSE SOMETIMES I LIKE TO PILE ON.
I'D LOVE TO SEE THE MAYOR COME OVER HERE AND SUPPORT ITEM 79
TODAY.
ITEM 79 IS SUPPORTING THIS COUNCIL GETTING A COST-OF-LIVING
ADJUSTMENT WHICH THEY HAVE NEEDED FOR YEARS.
I WANT TO SEE OUR CITY COUNCIL LOOK LIKE ALL THE PEOPLE WHO

SHOW UP IN THIS ROOM.
I WANT IT TO BE REPRESENTED THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
I WANT SOMEBODY TO BE ABLE TO PAY THEIR MORTGAGE PAYMENT.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF MONEY HERE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ENOUGH TO GET YOU ABOVE THE POVERTY LINE
IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANOTHER JOB.
I WANT TO SEE EVERYBODY SUPPORT THIS.
IT IS JUST IDENTIFY.
AND THE FUNNY PART ABOUT IT IS, THIS IS THE THIRD YEAR IN A
ROW THAT I HAVE COME UP HERE ABOUT THIS.
YOU KNOW WHAT?
WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS SOMETHING, THE RAISE -- CALLING IT A
RAISE -- THE ADJUSTMENT IS THE SAME ADJUSTMENT THAT I
BROUGHT BEFORE THE COUNCIL, THAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE THIS
COUNCIL THREE YEARS AGO.
SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY GETTING LESS THAN YOU WOULD HAVE HAD YOU
DONE IT THREE YEARS AGO.
I THINK IT'S TIME FOR EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS
COST-OF-LIVING ADJUSTMENT, OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT,
IS NOT ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT SIT IN THE SEATS.
IT'S ABOUT THE SEATS YOU SIT IN.
I WANT TO SEE MY NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS BE ABLE TO RUN FOR
COUNCIL.
I WANT TO SEE MY NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS, WHEN I SEE ELLIE
BAGGET AND SHE'S LIKE I WOULD RUN FOR COUNCIL BUT I CAN'T

PAY MY MORTGAGE IF I DO.
IF I SEE MIMI AND BOBBY AND ALL THOSE FOLKS WHO MIGHT BE
INTERESTED IN RUNNING FOR COUNCIL ONE DAY, LYNN HURTAK WAS
ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE.
SHE WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD LEADER.
AND SHE WANTED TO RUN FOR COUNCIL AND SHE COULDN'T DO IT IF
SHE DIDN'T HAVE TWO INCOMES IN HER HOUSE.
I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
I WANT EVERYONE TO BE ABLE TO BE ON THIS COUNCIL.
NOT JUST PEOPLE WHO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY OR HAVE A JOB THAT
THEY CAN FLEX TIME AND THIS IS NOT A PART-TIME JOB.
I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT ANYBODY SAYS.
THEY ARE LYING.
BECAUSE I FOLLOW YOU ALL AROUND AND PICK UP YOUR BREAD
CRUMBS AND I DO A FULL-TIME JOB OF IT.
YOU ALL DO WAY MORE THAN I DO.
I KNOW HOW HARD YOU WORK.
WE NEED TO DO THIS TODAY.
WE NEED TO DO IT FOR EVERYBODY.
NOT IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE I HEARD THAT CRAP BEFORE THE LAST
ELECTIONS.
"WE'LL DO IT AFTER THE ELECTIONS."
NO, TIME TO DO IT.
SUCK IT UP BUTTERCUP.
MAKE THE DECISION.

9:43:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NEXT UP, CONNIE BURTON FOLLOWED BY ROBIN
LOCKETT.
9:43:12AM >> GOOD MORNING.
CONNIE BURTON.
IT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING SAID HERE THAT TRIGGERS ME.
WHEN I HEAR THE WONDERFUL 25-YEAR CELEBRATION, IT TRIGGER 25
YEARS OF TRAUMA FOR ME.
IN 1999, THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, ALONG WITH THE HOUSING
AUTHORITY, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SOUGHT A $50,000 GRANT TO
DO A REVERSE DRUG STING IN ROBLES PARK, COMING IN, SELLING
DRUGS, PURCHASING DRUGS.
AS A RESULT OF A LULL IN APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS, EVERYBODY
IN THAT PROGRAM WAS ARRESTED SUBSEQUENTLY FOR A SALE OF
MARIJUANA THAT WAS NO MORE THAN $25.
IN 1999.
I WILL NEVER STAND UP HERE AND SAY STUFF THAT I CAN'T PROVE.
I CAN PROVE IT, DOCUMENT IT.
IN 1999, THAT'S WHAT THEY DID.
AND A CONTINUAL PATTERN OF THAT, THAT WE DON'T SEE
APPRENTICE PROGRAMS IN THE VERY COMMUNITY WHERE PEOPLE NEED
IT TO LIVE, WHAT WE SEE IS THE PARADE OF ACCOLADES OF HOW
WONDERFUL THE LEADERSHIP OVER THERE IS DOING WONDERFUL
THINGS.
WONDERFUL LEADERSHIP OVER THERE DESTROY HOPE, DESTROY THE
ABILITY FOR YOUNG MEN DURING THAT PERIOD THAT ARE OLDER NOW,

25 YEARS OLDER NOW, THAT CAN'T EVEN GET A BASIC DAMN JOB.
YOU KNOW WHY?
THEY HAVE CRIMINAL HISTORY.
25 YEARS OF THAT IN THIS CITY.
AND WHAT IT HAS RESULTED INTO IS THE INABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO
HAVE HOPE TO PASS ON TO THE NEXT GENERATION.
SO WHEN WE SEE NOW ON THE NATIONAL SCALE A YOUNG MAN 14
YEARS OLD COMMITTED MURDER, THAT AT 13, AUTHORITIES WAS
AWARE OF HIS ACTIVITY.
YOU KNOW WHAT SAVED HIM?
HE WAS WHITE.
WHAT DON'T SAVE US.
WE ARE BLACK.
DON'T SAVE OUR COMMUNITY AS THEY CONTINUE TO BE GENTRIFIED
AND MOST OF YOU ALL KNOW THAT IN TERMS OF THE CONTRACT, THE
APPRENTICE PROGRAM, THE SUBCONTRACTS, MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE
CAN'T TOUCH ANY OF THOSE JOBS.
I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT YOU GET PAID UP THERE.
BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS WHO GOT COURAGE UP THERE TO
SAY AS YOU BUILD TAMPA THAT EVERYBODY IS ALLOWED TO
PARTICIPATE.
RIGHT NOW, WE CANNOT PARTICIPATE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO DISCUSS ITEM NUMBER 76 WHEN
ABBYE FEELEY DO HER REPORT, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT ZONE OR
WHATEVER YOU CALL IT, TELL US HOW IN OUR BLACK COMMUNITY WE

CAN START CREATING GENERATIONAL WEALTH.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONTAINER HOMES, ADD-ONS, BUT IT'S
ALWAYS JUST A CONVERSATION.
HISTORY IS WATCHING ALL OF YOU.
9:46:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT UP, MS. ROBIN LOCKETT FOLLOWED BY MR. RYAN HAZE.
GOOD MORNING.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:46:30AM >> GOOD MORNING.
ROBIN LOCKETT.
THERE WAS A HOUSING PLAN CREATED.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET.
TALKING ABOUT THE $12 MILLION OR THEREIN, THE $50 MILLION IN
THE LAST BUDGET AROUND HOUSING.
THERE WAS A HOUSING PLAN CREATED AND IT OUTLINED HOW THE
MONEY WAS GOING TO BE SPENT.
BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT CHAMPIONED THE PLAN ARE GONE, WE
NEED TO ENSURE THAT THE COMMITMENT TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING
CONTINUES.
THIS COUNCIL AND THE CRA COMMITTED HISTORIC AMOUNTS OF MONEY
TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, REPAIRING PEOPLE'S HOMES AND ADDING
MORE UNITS.
THE PLAN ON THE CITY WEBSITE SAYS THERE IS $82 MILLION.
THE $50 MILLION WAS SUPPOSED TO PRESERVE AND ADD NEW UNITS.
WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE OWNER-OCCUPIED REHAB PROGRAM AND

THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WERE A PART OF THE PLAN.
WE NEED TO ENSURE THIS COUNCIL REMAINS COMMITTED TO
AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND FOLLOWING THROUGH EVEN THOUGH
LEADERSHIP HAS CHANGED.
I KNOW FOR SURE -- MY QUESTION IS, I WANT TO FOLLOW THE
MONEY.
I WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE MONEY IS.
IT WAS AN HISTORIC EVENT A YEAR AGO, BUT WHERE THE RFPs,
WHERE IS THE MONEY.
I WANT TO FOLLOW THE MONEY.
I HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED IN THE CURRENT BUDGET CONVERSATIONS
BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET PEOPLE ELECTED.
BUT I WANT TO FOLLOW THE MONEY.
I COULDN'T MAKE IT DOWN HERE LAST WEEK, BY GOD'S GRACE,
THAT'S PROBABLY GOOD.
WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT A WHOLE LOT OF STUFF.
CONNIE COMES UP HERE OFTEN AND TALKS ABOUT THE JOURNEY IN
THE BLACK COMMUNITY AND WHAT -- NOT WHAT HAS BEEN DONE BUT
WHAT HASN'T BEEN DONE.
BUT THAT'S THROUGH HER LENS.
THAT'S THROUGH THE BLACK COMMUNITY LENS.
YOU GUYS CAN SIT THERE AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A
STATEMENT MADE LAST WEEK THAT THE REASON WHY PEOPLE DON'T
VOTE IS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THIS IS THE GREATEST CITY.
THAT'S THROUGH THAT PERSON'S LENS.

BUT WHEN YOU'RE IN THAT SEAT, YOU HAVE TO WONDER, YOU HAVE
TO THINK SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
YOU HAVE TO TRY TO EVEN ATTEMPT TO LOOK THROUGH A CLOUDY
LENS OTHER THAN YOUR OWN, YOUR CLEAR LENS, BECAUSE PEOPLE
THAT DON'T THINK THAT WAY OR FEEL THAT WAY, THE BLACK
COMMUNITY THAT'S FROM HERE THAT LIVES IN EAST TAMPA, THEY
DON'T FEEL THAT WAY.
9:49:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, DID YOU WANT STAFF HERE FOR THE ITEMS
THAT YOU PULLED?
9:49:43AM >> I NEED MR. ROGERO.
9:49:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. ROGERO.
9:49:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND FOR THE FOUR -- THE FIRST FOUR --
9:49:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
28, 33, 34, 55.
9:49:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, AND THEN I NEED WHATEVER STAFF IS
NECESSARY FOR 40 AND 42.
9:49:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. RYAN HAYS IS THE NEXT SPEAKER.
FOLLOWED BY DARYL HYCH.
9:50:13AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCILWOMEN AND COUNCILMEN.
RYAN HAYES.
I'M ALSO A CHANGE AGENT.
I'M IN THE MENTAL HEALTH SECTOR.
THE REASON WHY I HAVE THIS SIGN, NO COMPANY'S NAME -- SORRY.
IT'S A HUGE SIGN THAT SAYS BEER 16 OUNCES AS LOW AS 99

CENTS.
THEY ARE PLASTERED ALL THROUGHOUT CIRCLE K TO BE SPECIFIC.
I AM A MENTAL HEALTH THERAPIST COUNSELOR.
WITH INDIVIDUALS AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE AND SUBSTANCE RECOVERY
AND DISORDERS, I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY THAT
I SERVE ON A PROFESSIONAL LEVEL.
WITH THEM HAVING TO DRIVE HOME AND EVERYDAY CITIZENS -- AM I
ABLE TO SHOW THIS SIGN OR NO?
9:51:01AM >> NO.
9:51:01AM >> IT'S EGREGIOUS.
I'M TRYING TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY ORDINANCE PUT IN PLACE TO
WHERE CORPORATIONS CANNOT JUST TRY TO OVERREACH THE
COMMUNITY WITH ALCOHOL.
THE NEXT SUBJECT MATTER I WAS HERE ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO IN
REGARDS TO CAIRO AND FRIENDS.
WE ARE NOT PANHANDLING AND SOLICITING OUR SERVICES FOR FUNDS
NOR GRANTS.
WE ARE TRYING TO LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO OUTREACH TO OUR
COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE UNFORTUNATELY HAD TO CLOSE OUR COMMUNITY EMPOWERMENT
STORE, CALLED CAIRO'S GARAGE, WHERE WE HELP INDIVIDUALS
ECONOMIZE AND REALLOCATE FUNDS TO SAVINGS.
JOHN BENNETT HAS BEEN STELLAR COMMUNICATING WITH ME AND
POINTING ME IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
WE'VE BEEN ESTABLISHED SINCE 2019.

MYSELF, I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FULLY OPERATE CAIRO'S AND
FRIENDS BY MYSELF.
ON A WEEKLY BASIS, WE RECEIVE TWO TO THREE PALLETS FULL OF
DONATIONS FROM WALMART.
I'M DOING THIS ALL ON MY OWN.
I DON'T HAVE A STAFF.
I DON'T HAVE DELEGATES.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
IT'S JUST ME, MY FIANC E AND THREE PUPS THAT KEEP EVERYTHING
MOVING.
THE PLACE THAT WE WERE AT IS CORRODING.
IT'S DETERIORATING.
WE HAVE OUTGROWN THE PLACE.
IT'S 500 SQUARE FEET.
WE HAVE TWO TRACTOR TRAILERS, 48-FOOT AND 40-FOOT TRACTOR
TRAILER WHERE WE HAVE OVER 7 FIGURES IN OUR PIPELINE WITH
BRAND NEW MATERIAL.
WE CANNOT FACILITATE THAT TYPE OF PRODUCT BEING IN A
STOREFRONT OF 500 SQUARE FEET AND WITH NO AC.
WE'VE BEEN THERE OVER A YEAR AND FOUR MONTHS.
WE HAVE A LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION FROM THE GENTLEMAN AND
NEVER MISSED -- NEVER LATE ON LEASE.
I'M COMING HERE TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY, IF THE
CITY OF TAMPA, WITH THE OUTREACH AND COMMUNITY SUPPORT THAT
YOU HAVE, IF YOU ALL CAN PLEASE GO ON OUR WEBSITE, LOOK AT

OUR GOOGLE PROFILE.
PRETTY SURE THERE'S NO OTHER NONPROFIT THAT IS NOT A MILLION
OR BILLION DOLLAR CORPORATION THAT CAN HOLD A BLAME TO US.
WE HAVE OVER 443, FIVE-STAR GOOGLE REVIEWS.
DON'T MEAN TO BRAG ABOUT IT.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AUTHENTIC AND TRANSPARENT OVERVIEW,
IT'S SUBSTANTIAL WHAT ONE PERSON HAS HAD TO DO ON THEIR OWN.
NO STAFF, NO MARKETING.
I'M HERE TO ONCE AGAIN BRING THIS AWARENESS AND SEE IF
THERE'S ANYTHING THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA CAN IMPLEMENT WITH
CAIRO AND FRIENDS.
9:53:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CHIEF BENNETT, DO YOU HAVE HIS CONTACT
INFORMATION?
I'LL GET WITH THE CHIEF AND THEN REACH OUT WITH YOU.
9:53:39AM >> I GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT.
9:53:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
NEXT UP IS MR. DARYL HYCH FOLLOWED BY MR. JAMES WRIGHT.
9:54:01AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS DARYL HYCH.
LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT PUBLIC/PRIVATE
PARTNERSHIPS?
TO UPLIFT LOW-INCOME AREAS, REFORM TO POLICING OR THE NEED
TO ADDRESS MASS INCARCERATION.
THOUGHT, WELL, THAT'S IMPORTANT, ONLY TO SEE NOTHING HAPPEN.

IT'S NOT THAT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THESE ISSUES.
IT'S NOT THAT THE SOLUTIONS AREN'T CLEAR.
IT'S THAT SIMPLY PUT, NOBODY CARES.
NOBODY CARES THAT THE ENTIRE COMMUNES OF COLOR REMAIN
TRAPPED IN THE CYCLE OF POVERTY BECAUSE THE INVESTMENTS THAT
CAN CHANGE THEIR LIVES ARE DELAYED, WATERED DOWN, OR
ABANDONED.
WE HEAR THE PLANS.
WE READ THE PROMISES, BUT STILL THESE LOW-INCOME AREAS
REMAIN LEFT BEHIND BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WITH POWER, THEY TEND
TO THINK THAT WE HAVE TIME.
THEY BELIEVE THAT THERE IS ALWAYS TOMORROW TO DEAL WITH THE
INEQUITIES OF TODAY.
NOBODY CARES THAT AFRICAN AMERICANS REMAIN
DISPROPORTIONATELY INCARCERATED, THAT REHABILITATION REMAINS
A HOLLOW PROMISE AND REENTRY IS OFTEN A DEAD END.
UNTIL IT'S YOUR BROTHER, YOUR MOTHER, YOUR FATHER, YOUR
FRIEND, CAUGHT UP IN THESE SYSTEMS, DESIGNED TO KEEP PEOPLE
DOWN, RATHER THAN TO LIFT THEM UP, IT IS EASY FOR YOU TO
LOOK AWAY.
NOBODY CARES THAT IN OUR SCHOOLS THEY AREN'T LEARNING THE
FULL TRUTH ABOUT THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY.
THEY AREN'T LEARNING ABOUT SLAVERY OR JIM CROW OR HOW THE
LEGACY STILL SHAPE INEQUALITY TODAY.
ERASING HISTORY TO MAKE OURSELVES FEEL BETTER ABOUT THE

PRESENT AND IN DOING SO WE ARE DENYING FUTURE GENERATIONS'
KNOWLEDGE TO A BETTER TOMORROW.
HERE IS THE THING, UNTIL WE ALL CARE, UNTIL WE ALL FULLY
CARE, NOTHING WILL CHANGE.
SEE, WE'VE BEEN COMING DOWN HERE FOR OVER A YEAR, NEARLY A
YEAR TALKING ABOUT RESOLUTION NUMBER 568.
SEPTEMBER THE 3rd WAS THE FOUR-YEAR ANNIVERSARY, NOT A
MENTION.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT?
I'VE COME TO CONCLUDE NOBODY CARES.
IT'S TIME TO STOP PRETENDING THAT TOMORROW IS PROMISED.
IT'S TIME TO STOP HOPING THAT SOMEONE ELSE WILL DO THE WORK.
IT'S TIME TO START CARING TODAY.
IT'S TIME TO LOOK INTO YOUR OWN MIRROR AND WHEN YOU WALK
PAST THE MIRROR WHEN YOU LEAVE HOME IN THE MORNING AND ASK
YOURSELF, DO I REALLY CARE?
BECAUSE WE'RE AT THAT POINT NOW, THAT WE'RE AT THE POINT OF
TEARS AND FRUSTRATION AND ANGER BECAUSE YET NOBODY CARES.
9:57:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
NEXT SPEAKER IS JAMES WRIGHT FOLLOWED BY MS. KELLA
McCASKILL.
JAMES WRIGHT IS IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM.
WE'LL GIVE HIM A MOMENT.
GOOD MORNING, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.

9:57:52AM >> MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS.
SHE WANTED TO JUMP AHEAD OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
MY NAME IS JAMES WRIGHT.
LONGTIME MEMBER OF THE YELLOW JACKETS LITTLE LEAGUE.
I COME THIS MORNING TO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO OUR LEAGUE
CRY FOR FAIRNESS AND TO GIVE A SPECIAL THANKS TO
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON FOR HER COMMENTS AND EFFORTS ON OUR
BEHALF.
THE FIRST IN SEVEN YEARS.
NO ONE ELSE HAS EVER STEPPED UP FROM THE CITY AND SPOKEN UP,
SO WE APPRECIATE THAT AND WE WANT TO THANK HER VERY MUCH AND
THE COUNCIL FOR STEPPING IN ALSO.
ON 8/15, WE HAD AN ARTICLE IN THE TIMES REGARDING OUR
LEAGUE.
TWO CITY OFFICIALS SPOKE NOTING THAT I DID NOT CALL THEIR
NAME.
I CALL THEM CITY OFFICIALS.
I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW ONE THING.
BOTH COMMENTS FROM THE CITY OFFICIALS WERE NOT FACT.
I JUST WANT YOU TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THOSE TWO OFFICIALS I
HAVE NEVER SPOKEN TO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND TIME.
HAVE A GOOD MORNING.
9:59:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
OUR LAST SPEAKER IS MS. KELLA McCASKILL.

GOOD MORNING, MA'AM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:59:55AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS KELLA McCASKILL.
I DIDN'T COME TO TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT GLAD TO HEAR THE
SALARY INCREASE IS ON THE BUDGET BUT I THINK I WAS THE FIRST
PERSON TO TALK ABOUT IT WHEN WE WERE SPOILED WITH COUNCIL
MEMBERS.
COUNCIL MEMBER DINGFELDER.
COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES, CARLSON.
WE HAD ACTIVE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT NOW.
I STILL WANT YOU TO GET THE RAISE BUT I WANT YOU TO DO WORK.
WE WANT CALLS BACK, ENGAGEMENT, ACTION.
I'M COMING DOWN HERE TODAY AS A FOUNDER OF A NONPROFIT
ORGANIZATION THAT WORKS WITH MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES.
I'M ONE OF THE DEVELOPERS TASKED WITH REDEVELOPMENT WITH
SOME OF THE FAMILIES ALONG THE NEBRASKA CORRIDOR.
I'M CONCERNED AS A RESIDENT, CONCERNED AS A DEVELOPER, I'M
CONCERNED AS A NONPROFIT, WITH THE HOMELESS POPULATION ALONG
THE NEBRASKA AREA WITH THE NEW LAW COMING INTO EFFECT IN
OCTOBER.
I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE IN A MATTER OF DAYS IT WILL BE ILLEGAL
FOR THEM TO SLEEP IN PUBLIC PLACES, I BELIEVE.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY CONVERSATION, NO ENERGETIC ROBUST

DISCUSSION TO THE PUBLIC AS TO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO ABOUT
THAT.
I MOVED FROM SOUTH TAMPA TO EAST TAMPA, SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE
HEIGHTS.
I'M LOOKING AT THE HOMELESS POPULATION IN FRONT OF MY DOOR
SLEEP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT BECAUSE POLICE, THEY MAY OR
MAY NOT SHOW UP.
FIRE DEPARTMENT MAY OR MAY NOT STOP TO CHECK ON THEM.
I'M CONCERNED WHEN THIS BECOMES ILLEGAL, WHAT IS THE PLAN.
HADN'T HEARD IT, HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING.
IF IT'S BEEN HERE, SEND IT TO ME BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
I REACHED OUT.
MY CLIENT OFFERED ME A SITE ALONG NEBRASKA IN THE MIDDLE OF
ALL THE ACTION, MIDDLE OF THE HOMELESSNESS, CRIME AND
EVERYTHING ELSE, OFFERED AS A RESOURCE CENTER, HEY, IF THE
CITY CAN PARTNER, PUT SOME TYPE OF TPD, FIRE DEPARTMENT,
SOME TYPE OF ACTIVITY AS RESOURCE CENTER TO ADDRESS MENTAL
HEALTH, HOMELESSNESS, ADDRESS SOME OF THE CRIME AND THEN TO
ADDRESS RESOURCES SO WHEN THIS DOES HAPPEN WE'RE OFFERING
THIS AS A SOLUTION.
MAJOR STAKEHOLDER ALONG THE NEBRASKA CORRIDOR FROM FLORIDA
AVENUE TO I WOULD SAY FLORIBRASKA TO LAKE.
AND THEY WANTED TO OFFER AS A RESOURCE.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING BACK FROM THAT.
LIKE TO HEAR FOLLOW-UP.

I'M EQUALLY CONCERNED WITH ANOTHER POPULATION.
THAT IS THE SENIOR CITIZENS.
ONE-THIRD OF THE SENIORS ARE UNSHELTERED.
THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT, BEEN GOING THROUGH IT TRYING TO DIGEST
IT.
TO ME IT GAVE ME A SENSE OF URGENCY BUT I HADN'T SEEN IT
REFLECTED HERE.
HADN'T SEEN IT FROM THE ADMINISTRATION, HERE, CRA, NOWHERE,
NOT REALLY ADDRESSING THE HOUSING CRISIS AS WE SHOULD.
I WANT TO KNOW FOR THIS WHAT IS THE PLAN.
I DON'T SEE THE URGENCY TO MATCH THE ACTIONS REFLECTED IN
THE REPORT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WILL IMPACT US WHEN MOST OF THE
INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE WALKED OUT THE DOOR.
HAS NICOLE TRAVIS ROLE BEEN REPLACED?
IS IT ON THE MARKET? IS IT AVAILABLE?
HOW IS THE LACK OF STAFF GOING TO AFFECT US?
BECAUSE WE HAVE CRISIS GOING ON AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH
STAFF TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
WHAT WILL YOU DO TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT SUFFERING EVEN MORE
AS A RESULT.
10:03:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE'LL GO TO ITEM NUMBER 4, MS. SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES.
WE HAVE A POSITION OPEN FOR THE BARRIO LATINO COMMISSION.

10:03:19AM >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES, CITY CLERK.
I'M HERE TO INTRODUCE MR. CHASE CORLEY WHO WORKS IN FINANCE.
AND HE'S ASKING TO BE APPOINTED AS AN ALTERNATE MEMBER OF
THE BARRIO LATINO COMMISSION.
10:03:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GOOD MORNING, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:03:49AM >> HI.
MY NAME IS CHASE CORLEY.
GOOD MORNING, HONORABLE CHAIR MANISCALCO AND MEMBERS OF CITY
COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS CHASE AND I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO
BE APPOINTED FOR THE ALTERNATE POSITION ON THE BARRIO LATINO
COMMISSION.
LITTLE BIT ABOUT ME, I GRADUATED FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF
TAMPA WITH A BACHELOR'S OF SCIENCE AND FINANCE.
IN 2018, I WAS HEAVILY INVOLVED WITH MULTIPLE ORGANIZATIONS
AND FOUNDED THE UT GUITAR CLUB WHILE I WAS THERE.
RIGHT AFTER THAT I ORCHESTRATED THE JIMI HENDRIX
COMMEMORATION IN CURTIS HIXON PARK IN 2018.
LIVED DOWNTOWN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS.
MY BACKGROUND IS FINANCE AND BUSINESS.
I ALSO HAVE TWO MASTERS DEGREES FROM UT, MBA AND MS IN
FINANCE.
I'VE LED LARGE PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS AND DYNAMIC

AND FAST PACED WORK SETTINGS BEFORE.
I'M ALSO INVOLVED IN VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATIONS HERE IN TAMPA
BAY SUCH AS AROUND THE WORLD WITH ST. JUDE GALA COMMUNITY,
TAMPA THEATRE WINE FEST COMMITTEE, UT AND THE GUILD AT THE
DOLLY.
ALSO FORTUNATE TO OPERATE THE HISTORIC STREETCARS AND HAVE A
REALLY STRONG CONNECTION WITH YBOR CITY'S LIVING HISTORY.
ONE OF MY FAVORITE SPOTS IN YBOR IS JOSE MARTI.
HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO STUDY IN HAVANA, CUBA WHILE A STUDENT
AT UT.
I THOROUGHLY ENJOYED EXPLORING CUBA AND MEETING ITS PEOPLE.
THE PARK IS A SPECIAL PLACE TO REFLECT ON HOW FORTUNATE WE
ARE TO HAVE A UNIQUE CITY.
WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THIS COMMISSION IS IT BALANCES THE
HISTORIC PAST WITH A VISION FOR THE FUTURE.
I WOULD BE HONORED TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY AS A MEMBER.
THANK YOU.
10:05:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS?
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN AND COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:05:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU HAD ME AT STREETCAR.
AS WE LOOK AT THE BARRIO, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS, WE'RE
DOING A GOOD JOB AND THE COMMISSION IS DOING A GREAT JOB AS
HISTORICAL PRESERVATION.
WE DO NEED TO INCORPORATE MORE GREENSPACE INTO THE BARRIO.

ONE OF THE THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND AS YOU MOVE FORWARD.
THANK YOU.
10:05:59AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO SAY VERY IMPRESSIVE PERSON.
I NEVER MET YOU.
CONGRATULATIONS GRADUATING FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA WITH
TWO DEGREES.
10:06:09AM >> TWO MASTERS AND A BACHELOR'S.
10:06:11AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHO YOU ARE AND
WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IN THE PAST.
I'M SURE YOU WILL BE AN EXCELLENT INDIVIDUAL ON THIS BOARD.
10:06:21AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
10:06:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA AND CARLSON.
10:06:24AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WANT TO ECHO WHAT FOLKS HAVE SAID.
RESUM AND BACKGROUND SEEM STELLAR.
PRESENTATION STELLAR.
SEEM LIKE A VERY IMPRESSIVE PERSON.
EVERYTHING YOU LISTED IS AMAZING.
I WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR BEING SOMEBODY WHO IS OBVIOUSLY
VERY, VERY BUSY AND MAKE YOURSELF BUSIER BY WANTING TO SERVE
THE PUBLIC.
THAT'S ALL.
THANK YOU.
10:06:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
10:06:47AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ECHO THE SAME THING.

CONGRATS ON ALL YOUR EXPERIENCE IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME.
THE THING I ESPECIALLY WANTED TO MENTION, I'M GLAD YOU SPENT
TIME STUDYING IN CUBA AND GRAB YOU MENTIONED THE JOSE MARTI
PARK.
THE HISTORY OF TAMPA AND CUBA, AS I HAVE SAID IN TALKING
ABOUT OTHER PLACES, TAMPA WAS THE MAIN GATEWAY TO CUBA WHEN
MIAMI WAS A LITTLE FISHING VILLAGE.
EVEN OUR LOGO IN THE CITY IS SYMBOLIC OF THE STEAMSHIP LINES
BETWEEN TAMPA AND CUBA.
OUR HISTORY WITH JOSE MARTI IS SOMETHING WE CAN BE REALLY
PROUD OF.
ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO, I SPONSORED THROUGH THE FLORIDA
HUMANITIES COUNCIL, THE JOSE MARTI TRAIL.
IT IS A FREE AUDIO TOUR THAT TALKS ABOUT THE HISTORY OF JOSE
MARTI IN YBOR AND TAKES TO YOU NINE DIFFERENT PLACES THAT HE
VISITED.
I THINK THAT HISTORY IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO TELL, NOT
JUST FOR THE DAY THAT WE RETURN TO HAVING CRUISE SHIPS GOING
BACK AND FORTH TO CUBA, BUT CONTINUE TO TELL THE HISTORY AND
CULTURE.
YBOR IS EVOLVING.
CAN'T GO BACK TO THE '50s AND BRING ALL THE FAMILIES BACK,
BUT CAN CONTINUE TO TELL THE STORIES OF OUR HISTORY, THE
JEWISH HISTORY, SICILIAN HISTORY, THE AFRICAN AMERICAN
HISTORY, THE CUBAN AND SPANISH HISTORY, ET CETERA.

ALL THOSE STORIES TOGETHER CREATE A REALLY UNIQUE DYNAMIC
ENVIRONMENT FOR YBOR AND LOOK FORWARD TO PARTNERING WITH YOU
ON THE EVOLUTION OF YBOR AS WE GO FORWARD.
THANK YOU.
10:08:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
10:08:25AM >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
10:08:28AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I HAVE A RESOLUTION PREPARED, IF YOU MOVE
THE RESOLUTION.
10:08:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION
FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA WITH A SECOND FROM COUNCIL
MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
CONGRATULATIONS, SIR.
WELCOME TO THE BOARD.
NEXT WE HAVE A RESOLUTION AND THIS ONE IS APPROVING MR. JIM
McCARTHY, JAMES McCARTHY AS MEMBER OF THE AFFORDABLE
HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR A THREE-YEAR TERM COMMENCING
ON SEPTEMBER 5, WHICH IS TODAY.
I KNOW HE IS HERE IN THE AUDIENCE.
MR. McCARTHY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING?
YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
10:09:04AM >> LOOK FORWARD TO IT.
10:09:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

CAN I GET A MOTION TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION?
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
CONGRATULATIONS, SIR.
LAST, THIS IS MY APPOINTMENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL CITIZENS
ADVISORY BUDGET AND FINANCE COMMITTEE, MR. ALBERT COOKE.
HE SERVED ON THE CRB FOR MANY YEARS.
HE LIVES IN YBOR CITY.
HE'S A GOOD PERSON.
VERY INTELLIGENT GENTLEMAN AND I KNOW HE'S GOING TO DO A
FANTASTIC JOB AND JOIN OTHER BOARD MEMBERS OF WHICH I SEE
MS. STEPHANIE POYNOR IN THE BACK.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO MOVE 6?
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, SECOND FROM COUNCIL
MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL GO TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.
FIRST IS PUBLIC SAFETY WITH COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, 7-13.
10:09:56AM >>LUIS VIERA:
SO MOVE.

10:09:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, SECOND
FROM MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
NEXT UP WE HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
10:10:03AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS
COMMITTEE, I MOVE ITEMS 14 THROUGH 20.
10:10:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
SECOND FROM VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
10:10:15AM >>BILL CARLSON:
COULD I MAKE A QUICK COMMENT ABOUT 23?
10:10:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IS IT OKAY WITH THE CHAIR OF THE
COMMITTEE?
10:10:24AM >>BILL CARLSON:
23 IS A CONTRACT FOR A PLAN FOR SULPHUR
SPRINGS.
I THINK ALL OF US HAVE SPENT TIME IN SULPHUR SPRINGS AND
WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE COMMUNITY.
WE WANT TO HELP LIFT THE COMMUNITY UP.
I LOOKED AT THE BACKGROUND ON THE CONSULTANT AND I ALSO
LOOKED AT THE DETAILED WORK FLOW.
THE DETAILED WORK FLOW HAS A VERY DETAILED SET OF STEPS THAT
THEY ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH TO LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY.
IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THE SCOPE OF WORK IN THE CONTRACT, IT IS
VERY DETAILED.

IT INCLUDES LOOKING AT NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITY AND
POVERTY ISSUES, ET CETERA.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE REALLY -- I WANT TO MAKE A
STATEMENT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE REALLY FOCUS ON ALL OF
THOSE THINGS.
A COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT.
THE SAME AS OUR STAFF WAS DOING WHEN WE HAD A FULL ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT STAFF.
IN THE PAST, THE CITY HAS FOCUSED ON REAL ESTATE
DEVELOPMENT.
WE NEED TO FOCUS ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THE COMMUNITY IN SULPHUR SPRINGS DOESN'T WANT 20-STORY
HIGH-RISES WITH GLASS TOWERS.
THEY WANT THE COMMUNITY UPLIFTED.
WHEN I LOOKED AT THE BACKGROUND OF THE FOLKS INVOLVED, I
DIDN'T SEE ANY AFRICAN AMERICANS, SO I HOPE THEY HAVE SOME
AFRICAN AMERICANS ON THEIR TEAM.
I HOPE THEY HAVE HISPANICS ON THE TEAM AND OTHERS TO
REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY AND UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITIES OF
THE COMMUNITY.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, I HOPE THEY DON'T FOCUS ON REAL ESTATE
DEVELOPMENT.
I CAN TELL THEY WERE PICKED AND THE SCOPE OF WORK REFLECTS
THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO JUST DO THAT.

ALL THE DISCUSSION ABOUT A CRA WORRIES ME BECAUSE IT SEEMS
LIKE THERE ARE DEVELOPERS WHO JUST WANT TO GO IN AND
GENTRIFY EVERYTHING.
WHAT I WANT TO DO IS MAKE SURE WE BUILD UP THE COMMUNITY.
I'M HAPPY THIS IS GOING FORWARD.
MAKE SURE WHOEVER ENDS UP MANAGING THEM REALLY MANAGES THIS
TO HELP THE COMMUNITY NOT TRY TO GENTRIFY IT.
10:12:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO
MOVE THOSE ITEMS EXCEPT FOR 28?
10:12:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE ITEMS 21 THROUGH 27 AND 29.
10:12:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
NEXT UP, COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, IF YOU COULD MOVE ITEMS 30,
31, AND 32.
10:12:42AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE 30, 31 AND 32.
10:12:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, IF YOU COULD MOVE 35 THROUGH 45.
10:12:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
41 AND 42 HAVE BEEN PULLED.

10:13:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'M SORRY.
IF YOU COULD MOVE 35 TO 39, THEN 41, THEN 43, 4 AND 5.
10:13:11AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT HE SAID.
10:13:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THERE ARE SO MANY NUMBERS.
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
GOING QUICKLY HERE.
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, MOVE 46 THROUGH 54.
10:13:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I MOVE ITEMS 46 THROUGH 54.
10:13:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ITEM NUMBER 56, THIS IS TO CALL -- SET A PUBLIC HEARING FOR
OCTOBER 17, 2024, AT 10:30 A.M., CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, OLD
CITY HALL, 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA,
33602.
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
WE ARE GOING TO GO -- NOW THAT WE HAD PUBLIC COMMENT, MOVE

66 THROUGH 70.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
OH, VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
THAT SETTLES THOSE.
THOSE ARE UNDER THE STAFF REPORTS.
A MOTION TO OPEN THE 10 A.M. PUBLIC HEARINGS.
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
ITEM NUMBER 57 IS A NON-QUASI-JUDICIAL, SO WE DON'T NEED TO
SWEAR ANYBODY IN, BUT THE FOLLOWING ONES ARE.
10:14:47AM >>ERIC COTTON:
ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS IS SECOND READING FOR THE TEXT AMENDMENT FOR THE YBOR
PARKING LOT, SECTION 27-178.
BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING, COUNCIL INSTRUCTED STAFF
TO MAKE SPECIFIC CHANGES TO THE CODE, INCLUDING CHANGE THE
EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE ORDINANCE TO OCTOBER 15, 2024.
SCRIVENER'S ERROR RELATED TO GENERAL PARKING STANDARDS
SUBSECTION A-1.
CLARIFY THAT APPLICATIONS FOR NEW PRINCIPAL PARKING LOTS

WILL BE REVIEWED BY BARRIO LATINO COMMISSION.
CLARIFY THAT THE CONTACT INFORMATION ON THE SIGNAGE FOR THE
SECURITY COMPANY WOULD BE THE SECURITY COMPANY WITH SPECIFIC
NUMBER, NOT A SPECIFIC SECURITY GUARD.
ONCE WE HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT, APPRECIATE IF THIS WOULD BE
APPROVED.
10:15:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
TAKE IT TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
COME ON UP.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:15:51AM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS PROBLEMATIC IN THE CODE BEING
PRESENTED.
ONE OF THEM IS THERE'S NO PROVISION FOR LEGAL, NONCONFORMING
LOTS AND NO REFERENCE IN THE CODE THAT SAYS LEGAL
NONCONFORMING LOTS ARE EXEMPT FROM THESE STANDARDS.
THOSE ARE LOTS THAT WERE ESTABLISHED LEGALLY BEFORE 1987
WHEN THAT CODE WAS CHANGED.
ALSO NO PROVISION IN THERE FOR HAVING SUBMITTED APPLICATIONS
FOR APPROVAL FOR LOTS.
NORMALLY UNDER ALL OF THE OTHER CODES, WHEN YOU SUBMIT AN
APPLICATION AND ACCEPT IT AND IT'S INTO THE SYSTEM THAT
VESTS YOU UNDER THE OLD CODE.
THIS CODE INDICATES THAT YOU HAVE TO BE -- YOU HAVE TO HAVE
AN APPROVED SET OF PLANS BY THE EFFECTIVE DATE.
SO THIS IS A DEPARTURE FROM ALL OF THE OTHER CITY CODES AS

FAR AS I KNOW.
THERE MAY BE SOME EXCEPTIONS, BUT I BELIEVE BUILDING CODES,
FIRE MARSHAL CODES, ALL OF THE LIFE SAFETY CODES, IF YOU ARE
IN UNDER THE OLD SYSTEM AND YOU HAVE AN ACCEPTED
APPLICATION, YOU'RE VESTED UNDER THAT CODE.
THIS CODE IS DIFFERENT.
IT MAKES YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU THIS DIAGRAM PREPARED BY THE CITY.
I'VE SHOWN IT TO YOU BEFORE.
AVERAGE PROCESSING TIME, AVERAGES NOW.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE TO GO
THROUGH THE BARRIO AND PERMITTING THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION
SERVICES CENTER COMMERCIAL ALTERATION 34, NEW CONSTRUCTION,
49 DAYS.
BASICALLY, EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY HAVE CHANGED THE DATE,
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TIME.
I URGE YOU TO CHANGE THAT CODE AND MAKE THE VESTING OCCUR
WHEN YOU HAVE AN APPLICATION THAT'S BEEN ACCEPTED BY THE
CITY.
WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN REVIEW.
RAISE THE ISSUE AGAIN REGARDING PAID VERSUS UNPAID LOTS.
WE SENT THIS TO YOU BEFORE WHERE YOU HAVE PAID LOTS
IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO UNPAID LOTS.
MAKES NO SENSE TO HAVE SECURITY REQUIRED FOR ONE AND NOT THE
OTHER.

THOSE ARE THREE DIFFERENT VIEWS OF THE PROXIMITY OF PAID
VERSUS UNPAID LOTS.
THE LAST THING I WANT TO MENTION, AS I SAID, WE HAVE
PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE SYSTEM.
THERE IS A LIST OF THEM.
NOT ALL OF THOSE ARE PERMITTED.
SO WE'RE AT RISK BEING IMMEDIATELY BEING FOUND TO HAVE TO GO
THROUGH THE REZONING PROCESS AND AN ENTIRE REVIEW OF THOSE
APPLICATIONS, WHICH IS UNFAIR.
YOU ALSO HAVE DOCUMENTS PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED.
WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THOSE MADE PART OF THE RECORD
REGARDING OUR OBJECTIVES TO THIS.
10:18:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
NEXT SPEAKER, YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:19:01AM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T HAVE ANY
PROBLEMS WITH THESE CHANGES.
AFTER ABOUT MICHELINI SPOKE, I HAVE SOME COMMENTS.
FIRST OF ALL, THE UNPAID LOTS ARE FOR BUSINESSES.
I HAD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT WAS.
THOSE BUSINESSES ACTUALLY HAVE PEOPLE IN THEM.
SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN UNPAID LOT AND A PAID LOT MAKES
SENSE.
THEY ARE TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS.
IF SOMEBODY SEES SOMETHING STUPID HAPPENING IN THE COLUMBIA

PARKING LOT, GUESS WHAT, THERE IS AN EMPLOYEE THERE TO TAKE
CARE OF IT.
THEY CAN WALK IN AND TELL THE PERSON AT THE FRONT DESK, HEY,
THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON IN YOUR PARKING LOT.
YOU MIGHT WANT TO CHECK ON THAT.
GUESS WHAT, I'M GUESSING THEY'LL GO OUT AND CHECK ON IT.
YOU KNOW WHAT?
DO I HAVE ANY PITY THAT THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BRING
THEIR CRAP UP TO CODE?
SOME OF THE PARKING THAT ARE PAID LOTS ARE $35 TO PARK IN
FOR A DAY.
WHO ARE YOU KIDDING?
FOR A PARKING LOT, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO INVESTIGATE
YET, BUT I KNOW THAT VACANT LOTS, THEIR TAXES DON'T GO UP
THE SAME WAY HOUSES DO.
DOES THEIR TAX RATE GO UP?
I DON'T KNOW.
I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO CHECK ON THAT.
IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS ON MY TO-DO LIST BECAUSE I HAVE
NOTHING HELLS TO DO.
I KNOW THE NEIGHBORS LIKE THE WAY IT IS, LIKE WHAT'S COMING
FORWARD.
IS IT PERFECT?
NO.
HOW LONG HAVE THEY KNOWN THAT THESE CODE CHANGES ARE COMING?

A LONG STINKING TIME.
ARE WE SUPPOSED TO FEEL SORRY FOR THEM THAT THEY HAVEN'T
BEEN PROACTIVE AT FIXING THE PROBLEM BEFORE?
NO, WE REALLY DON'T NEED TO BE.
BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS SCRAP FOR
YEARS.
HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE CARS SLAMMING DOORS AT 3:00 IN
THE MORNING?
HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE PEOPLE FISTFIGHTING OUT THERE?
HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE PEOPLE DRINKING IN THE PARKING
LOT NEXT DOOR TO YOUR HOUSE.
THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME DOWN HERE.
YOU JUST THINK ABOUT WHAT IT'S LIKE TO LIVE NEXT DOOR TO
THEM WHEN YOU MAKE THIS VOTE.
BECAUSE, FRANKLY, I DON'T GIVE A CRAP HOW THE PAID PARKING
PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT THE CITIZENS THAT
HAVE TO LIVE NEXT DOOR.
THE PAID PARKING PEOPLE, THEY GOT ONE VOTE.
THEY CAN WRITE A BIG OL' CHECK WHEN IT COMES TO ELECTION
TIME, BUT THEY STILL ONLY GOT ONE VOTE.
10:21:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYBODY ELSE HERE BECAUSE I HAVE FIVE REGISTERED SPEAKERS?
ARE THEY ALL ONLINE?
WE'LL START WITH STEPHANIE HARRISON BAILEY, THE FIRST
SPEAKER FOLLOWED BY DAVID BAILEY.

GO AHEAD, STEPHANIE.
IF YOU WOULD UNMUTE YOURSELF AND STATE YOUR NAME.
10:21:46AM >> CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
10:21:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:21:49AM >> STEPHANIE HARRISON BAILEY.
GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND EVERYTHING THAT STEPHANIE POYNOR JUST
SAID.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ME BEING ONE OF THOSE RESIDENTS IS FULLY
IN FAVOR OF THESE CODE CHANGES.
REALLY, MOST OF THE THINGS THAT PARKING LOTS ARE BEING
REQUIRED TO GET UP TO CODE, CODE ALREADY IN PLACE FOR MANY
YEARS.
THE ARGUMENT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TIME TO COME UP TO THIS
CODE IS A LITTLE SILLY TO ME.
I WOULD JUST ASK THAT CITY COUNCIL VOTE IN FAVOR OF THESE
CODE CHANGES.
THAT'S ALL.
THANK YOU.
10:22:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OUR LAST SPEAKER IS MR. DAVID BAILEY.
10:22:37AM >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:22:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:22:40AM >> DAVID BAILEY, HISTORIC YBOR CITY.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL AND THANK YOU FOR HEARING THIS TOPIC.
YOU'VE HEARD IT TWICE BEFORE.
THIS IS NOT PERFECT, BUT THIS IS PROGRESS, AND WE NEED THIS
PROGRESS IN YBOR CITY AS BOTH STEPHANIES HAVE SAID, MANY OF
THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED HAVE ALREADY BEEN
REQUIRED FOR 20 YEARS.
SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S MORE TO BE DONE, BUT THIS IS
PROGRESS, AND IF WE WAIT FOR EVERYTHING TO BE PERFECT, WE'RE
GOING TO BE WAITING TOO LONG.
WE'RE GOING TO BE WAITING DECADES MORE.
SO WE ASK -- HISTORIC YBOR ASKS THAT YOU SUPPORT THIS
MEASURE, MOVE FORWARD AND DO THE RIGHT THING FOR YBOR CITY.
THANK YOU.
10:23:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
THAT WAS THE LAST PUBLIC COMMENT SPEAKER, YES, MA'AM.
10:23:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS BECAUSE THIS
IS SOMETHING I'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR A WHILE.
I STARTED THIS BASICALLY WHEN I STARTED COUNCIL.
DUE TO THE COMPLAINTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS AND FROM POLICE
OFFICERS THAT NEEDED MORE ASSISTANCE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T
HAVE THE PERSONNEL TO POLICE PRIVATE PROPERTY.
I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT WE CAN FINALLY GET THIS PASSED.
I WOULD LOVE TO READ THE SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE WHEN IT'S

TIME.
10:24:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM
COUNCIL MEMBERS?
YES, SIR, COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND COUNCIL MEMBER
CLENDENIN.
10:24:06AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AS WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, THERE ARE
THINGS WE STILL NEED TO DO TO EITHER FIX THIS OR CREATE AN
ADD-ON OR A PARALLEL DOCUMENT, INCLUDING THE UNPAID LOTS.
I MENTIONED A COUPLE OF TIMES ON THE NIGHT OF HALLOWEEN
WHERE THE MASS SHOOTING HAPPENED, TWO HOURS LATER THERE WAS
A DRIVE-BY SHOOTING IN A PRIVATE UNPAID LOT ONLY A COUPLE OF
BLOCKS AWAY.
SO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO RESOLVE THOSE ISSUES.
THE CRIME IS HAPPENING IN UNPAID AND PAID LOTS.
IT CAN'T HOLD UP THIS TODAY BUT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT
SEPARATELY AND THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED NEED TO
BE ADDRESSED AS WELL.
THANK YOU.
10:24:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
10:24:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ECHOING EXACTLY WHAT WAS JUST SAID.
THE DISPARITY BETWEEN PAID AND UNPAID IS SOMETHING THAT HAS
TO BE EVENTUALLY LOOKED AT.
ALSO, YOU GOT TO START SOMEWHERE.
THIS IS STEP A.
NOT NECESSARILY THE END OF THE ROAD BUT A GOOD STEP FORWARD

OR LEAP FORWARD FROM WHERE WE WERE.
THIS WILL GIVE US ALSO DATA TO SEE IF IT IMPROVES THE
SITUATION.
THIS IS A MOVEMENT FORWARD BUT WE STILL NEED TO KEEP AN EYE
ON ALL OF THE PROPERTIES AND ALL OF THE LOTS AND HOW WE DEAL
WITH IT GOING FORWARD.
10:25:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
10:25:19AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'LL AGAIN SUPPORT THIS.
OBVIOUSLY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, IT'S GOOD TO WORK ON
SOMETHING FOR A WHILE AND SEE THE CHICKENS COMING HOME TO
ROOST IN A GOOD WAY.
TO SEE THE RESULTS OF HARD WORK DONE, ET CETERA, THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT TO ME MOVES PUBLIC SAFETY FORWARD AND I'LL BE
GLAD TO SUPPORT IT.
THANK YOU.
10:25:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC
HEARING?
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, YOU WANTED TO READ THE SUBSTITUTE.
10:25:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
FILE E2024-8 CHAPTER 27, SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE BEING

PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, RELATING TO
PUBLICLY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENTS, MAKING REVISIONS TO THE
CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES, AMENDING CHAPTER 27,
ZONING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT, AMENDING SECTION 27-178,
ALTERNATIVE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES
OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR
SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:26:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND FROM CLENDENIN.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:26:28AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH MANISCALCO VOTING NO.
10:26:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO -- NO.
STILL NOT 10:30.
THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE OPEN FOR THE 10:00.
THESE ARE QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS MOVING FORWARD.
IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THESE 10 A.M. PUBLIC
HEARINGS, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SWEAR
YOU IN.
WE HAVE NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS, SO IT'S EVERYBODY THAT'S IN
THE ROOM.
[OATH ADMINISTERED BY THE CLERK]
10:27:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. SHELBY.
THESE ARE THE 10:00.

I'M LOOKING AT MY WATCH TO MAKE SURE I DON'T HIT THE 10:30.
I OPENED THE 10 A.M., NOT THE 10:30.
IT'S EERILY QUIET IN HERE TODAY.
THAT'S CONCERNING.
AS AN OVERTHINKER, IT'S CONCERNING.
ITEM 58.
DO WE HAVE A PETITIONER FOR 58?
YES, SIR, I SEE MR. THOMAS.
GO AHEAD, SIR.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING?
10:27:38AM >> SAM THOMAS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM 58 IS REZ 24-43, REZONING REQUEST FOR PROPERTY LOCATED
AT 3614 TEMPLE STREET.
REQUEST IS TO REZONE FROM RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY 16 TO
RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY 18.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
10:27:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. THOMAS?
NO.
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, YOU WERE ABSENT AT THE VOTE FOR 58.
WERE YOU ABLE TO REVIEW THE RECORD?
10:28:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, I WAS.
THANK YOU.
10:28:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
APPLICANT, COME ON UP.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:28:06AM >> GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS MARIA GOUDE.
I AM THE AGENT.
WE'RE LOOKING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM RM 16 TO RM 18.
10:28:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYTHING ELSE?
ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS?
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM 58?
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, WOULD YOU MIND READING 58?
10:28:31AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ITEM 58, REZ-24-43, ORDINANCE BEING
PRESENTED FOR REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
3614 TEMPLE STREET, IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
CLASSIFICATION, R M-16 TO RM-18, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
10:28:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:28:56AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:28:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
CONGRATULATIONS.
10:29:00AM >> THANK YOU.
10:29:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ITEM NUMBER 59.

10:29:04AM >>SAMUEL THOMAS:
SAM THOMAS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM 59 IS REZ 24-46, ITEM IS A REZONING REQUEST FOR THE
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 5825 SOUTH 5th STREET.
REZONE FROM RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY 60 TO RESIDENTIAL
SINGLE-FAMILY 50.
AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
10:29:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN?
10:29:30AM >> STEVE MICHELINI, HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PETITIONER.
THERE WERE NO OBJECTIONS AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
10:29:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN?
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK ON ITEM 59?
SEE NO ONE.
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
10:29:52AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE
GENERAL VICINITY OF 5825 SOUTH 5th STREET IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1
FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS 60, RESIDENTIAL
SINGLE-FAMILY, TO RS 50, RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY,
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

10:30:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA WITH A
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:30:19AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:30:21AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
10:30:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ITEM NUMBER 60.
10:30:25AM >>SAMUEL THOMAS:
SAM THOMAS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM 60 IS REZ 24-48, REQUEST TO REZONE PROPERTY LOCATED AT
2201 NORTH GLENWOOD DRIVE, REZONE FROM RESIDENTIAL
SINGLE-FAMILY 60 TO RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY 50.
10:30:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
I SEE NO ONE.
DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT FOR ITEM 60?
I SEE NO ONE.
NO ONE REGISTERED.
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM 60.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN,
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
10:31:00AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
FILE NUMBER REZ-24-48, AN ORDINANCE BEING
PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE
REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 2201 NORTH

GLENWOOD DRIVE, IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1, FROM ZONING DISTRICT
CLASSIFICATION RS-60, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY, TO RS-50,
RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:31:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
HENDERSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:31:32AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:31:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ITEM NUMBER 61 IS NEXT.
10:31:37AM >>SAMUEL THOMAS:
SAM THOMAS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM 61 IS REZ 24-51.
THIS ITEM IS A REZONING REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT
701, 705 AND 801 EAST WILMA STREET.
REZONE FROM RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY 60 TO COMMERCIAL
NEIGHBORHOOD TO RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY 18.
AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
10:31:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. THOMAS?
I SEE NO ONE.
IS THERE ANYBODY HERE, APPLICANT FOR ITEM 61?
10:32:05AM >> YES.
10:32:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. LAROCCA.
WAS HE SWORN IN?
PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND WE'LL SWEAR YOU IN.

10:32:13AM >>THE CLERK:
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU
ARE ABOUT TO PROVIDE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
10:32:18AM >> I DO.
10:32:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN.
10:32:21AM >> JOHN LAROCCA, MURPHY LAROCCA CONSULTING, SOUTH
MacDILL AVENUE, REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT AND OWNER.
NOTHING NEW TO ADD SINCE THE CLOSE AND ACTION TAKEN AT THE
FIRST READING.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
10:32:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN?
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON 61 WE HAVE A
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
10:32:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOVE FILE REZ 24-51, ORDINANCE BEING
PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE
REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 701, 705, AND
801 EAST WILMA STREET, IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1, FROM ZONING DISTRICT
CLASSIFICATIONS RS-60, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY, AND CN,
COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, TO RM-18, RESIDENTIAL,
MULTI-FAMILY.
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

10:33:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:33:16AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:33:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MOTION TO OPEN THE 10:30 PUBLIC HEARING.
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
THIS IS ALSO QUASI-JUDICIAL.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 62.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT
HAND AND WE'LL SWEAR YOU IN FOR 62.
10:33:53AM >>THE CLERK:
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU
ARE ABOUT TO PROVIDE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
10:33:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:34:00AM >> I WANT TO CLARIFY, IT'S NOT QUASI-JUDICIAL.
10:34:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OH, IT'S NOT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS ALL BUNCHED IN.
BECAUSE THE NEXT ONE IS THE 1:30.
WELL, YOU ARE SWORN REGARDLESS.
MR. SHELBY REMAINS CALM THAT WE FOLLOWED THE PROCEDURES OR
TRIED TO.

10:34:20AM >> ABBYE FEELEY, INTERIM ADMINISTRATOR, DEVELOPMENT AND
ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
ITEM 62 ON YOUR AGENDA IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ON A
PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND
PINEWOOD BF, LLC.
THE PROPERTY, I'LL GO INTO DETAILS ON THAT, LOCATED JUST A
QUARTER MILE NORTHWEST OF SOUTH DALE MABRY ENTRANCE TO
MACDILL AIR FORCE BASE.
AND IF COUNCIL WOULD INDULGE ME JUST A MOMENT, I WOULD LIKE
TO GIVE A BRIEF HISTORY ON HOW THE CITY ACQUIRED THE
PROPERTY AND ITS INTENDED USE AT THAT TIME, AS WELL AS THE
PROCESS ON KIND OF HOW WE GOT HERE TODAY.
I AM AWARE OF SOME CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED WITH THE
CITY'S ASSOCIATION PROCESS FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY.
THE CITY IN THIS POSITION ACTS AS THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER
AND WE ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS MANY TIMES ON OUR PROPERTIES
TO THEN BRING AGREEMENTS FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND THE PROCESS WE FOLLOW IS DESIGNED TO ENSURE THOROUGH
EVALUATION OF THE PROPERTIES, DECISION MAKING, BALANCING
EFFICIENCY WITH THE NEEDS OF PUBLIC INPUT AT APPROPRIATE
STAGES.
SO OUR APPROACH INVOLVES THIS CAREFUL CONSIDERATION OF THE
PROPOSALS THAT ARE BROUGHT TO US, GOOD FAITH NEGOTIATIONS
AND STRUCTURED OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC FEEDBACK, WHICH IS
WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER.
WHILE THERE MIGHT BE DESIRE TO HAVE PUBLIC INPUT AT OTHER
PHASES, THERE ARE REASONS WHY WE DON'T.
SOME OF THOSE REASONS ARE THE COMPLEXITY OF THE ISSUES, THE
CONFIDENTIALITY OF THE INFORMATION.
IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU'RE SELLING YOUR HOME AND YOU ENTER INTO
NEGOTIATIONS, THAT'S YOUR PRIVATE PROPERTY.
THE CITY PUTS FORTH EXPERTS TO GO SIT AT THE TABLE AND TO
WORK THROUGH THOSE MATTERS.
THE PRELIMINARY NATURE OF EVALUATIONS, PROPOSALS COME IN.
THEY COULD BE VERY PRELIMINARY IN NATURE.
WE MIGHT NOT GET TO WHAT WE'RE BRINGING YOU UNTIL THE 7th
OR 8th ITERATION OF THAT AND THEN WE BRING IT TO YOU LIKE
WE ARE TODAY AND WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE ARE TODAY.
I'M GOING TO WORK THROUGH THE PROPOSAL THAT'S BEFORE YOU
TODAY.
WE ALWAYS WORK TO BE TRANSPARENT, ENSURE TRANSPARENCY,
PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR FEEDBACK.
WE BELIEVE THAT FORUM IS IN FRONT OF YOU AND THE PUBLIC THIS
MORNING.
IN 2022, THE CITY WAS APPROACHED BY THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
THIS IS THE CITY'S PROPERTY HERE IN YELLOW.
THE PROPERTY, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY IS SHOWN IN BLUE.
YOU CAN SEE MacDILL OVER TO THE EAST, PINEWOOD TO THE
NORTH, MARCUM STREET TO THE SOUTH.

YOU MAY RECALL THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE THERE WAS A REZONING ON
THE BLUE PIECE THAT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL FOR A HOTEL
AND A PARKING LOT AND THE DEVELOPER CAME TO THE CITY AND
REQUESTED UTILIZATION OF A PORTION OF THE YELLOW PROPERTY,
THE CITY'S PROPERTY FOR PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH FUTURE
DEVELOPMENT OF THE PARCEL, NOT FOR THE HOTEL THAT CITY
COUNCIL APPROVED, BUT FOR AN ADDITIONAL HOTEL THAT THEY
WOULD BE SEEKING AT A LATER TIME.
IN CONSIDERING THIS REQUEST, THE CITY GOES BACK AND WE
LOOKED AT HOW DID WE GET THE YELLOW PIECE OF PROPERTY?
HOW DID WE BUY IT?
WHAT WENT ON?
ACTUALLY IN 2005, THE CITY GOT A DIG GRANT TO PURCHASE THAT
PROPERTY FROM ENTERPRISE FLORIDA AS PART OF PROTECTION TO
PROVIDE A BUFFER TO THE BASE.
IN 2006, ONCE THAT GRANT WAS RECEIVED, WE ACTUALLY PERFORMED
THE PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY.
SINCE 2006, THE PROPERTY HAS SAT THERE WITH NO FUNDED
IMPROVEMENTS TO ACTIVATE THE PROPERTY, SO TO SPEAK.
THE PROPERTY IS PART OF THE SOUTH TAMPA GREENWAY AND TRAILS
MASTER PLAN.
THE MOST RECENT PIECE OF THAT WE COMPLETED IS BEHIND THE
WESTSHORE MARINA DISTRICT.
AND PURSUANT TO THE GRANT AGREEMENT THAT WE USED TO ACQUIRE
IT, THERE ARE NO FORMAL RESTRICTIONS, BUT THE INTENT WAS TO

SERVE THE GREENWAYS AND TRAILS PROGRAM AND TO PROVIDE
ENCROACHMENT PROTECTION AND AN ENVIRONMENTAL BUFFER.
SINCE THE ACQUISITION, AS I MENTIONED, IT HAS REMAINED
UNUSED.
THE CITY HAS NO ALLOCATED BUDGETED FUNDS FOR THE
IMPROVEMENTS.
AND RECENTLY, WHEN THE DEVELOPER APPROACHED THE CITY WITH
THE PROPOSAL, IT PRESENTED A VALUABLE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE
THE TRAILHEAD WITHOUT IMPOSING ANY FINANCIAL OBLIGATION ON
THE CITY.
THIS PROPOSAL ALLOWS US TO ENHANCE THE PROPERTY WITH MINIMAL
COST TO THE PUBLIC WHILE ADDING VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY.
IN RELATION TO THIS MATTER, WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT
INSTRUMENTS.
ONE IS THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT TALKS ABOUT THE
CONSTRUCTION OF THE IMPROVEMENTS, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE, WHO IS
PAYING, HOW THAT ALL WORKS.
I HAVE A QUICK SLIDE ON THAT.
AND WE HAVE A LICENSE AGREEMENT, WHICH IS WHO GETS TO USE
THE PROPERTY AND MAINTAIN IT ONCE THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE.
SO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ADDRESSES THE CONSTRUCTION OF
THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS, BOTH THE PARK AND THE PARKING LOT,
THE COST OF PLANNING, DESIGN, AND CONSTRUCTION FOR BOTH THE
PARK AND THE PARKING LOT, AND THAT IS TO BE DONE BY THE
DEVELOPER.

THE IMPROVEMENTS FOR SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETING THE PARK PRIOR
TO C.O. OF THE FIRST HOTEL.
IF THE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT NEVER HAPPENS ON THIS
PROPERTY, WE ARE GOING TO GET THESE IMPROVEMENTS CONSTRUCTED
AND COMPLETED BY THE DEVELOPER PRIOR TO C.O. OF THE HOTEL.
AND THAT PARKS IS INVOLVED WITH THE DESIGN, APPROVING THE
DESIGN, INCLUDING ALL PLANTS AND TREES THAT WILL BE PLACED
AND THEN MAINTENANCE.
THE PARK MAINTENANCE.
THE DEVELOPER FOR THE FIRST YEAR WILL TAKE CARE OF THE
MAINTENANCE AND ROUTINE GROUNDS MAINTENANCE FOR ALL
SUBSEQUENT YEARS.
AND THAT SAME MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE DEVELOPER
IS IN THE LICENSE AGREEMENT AS WELL.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE MAINTENANCE, EVERYTHING RELATED TO THE
PARKING LOT PORTION OF THE PARCEL, THE DEVELOPER IS
RESPONSIBLE FOR.
LET ME JUST PUT UP -- I SKIPPED OVER THIS.
QUICKLY, THIS IS THE PD THAT IS APPROVED ON THE BLUE PIECE.
YOU'LL SEE THE HOTEL ON THE WEST AND PARKING.
THE PROPOSAL THAT WAS BROUGHT TO THE CITY FOR CONSIDERATION
BUT IS STILL SUBJECT TO ALL REZONING AND COMING BEFORE THIS
CITY COUNCIL, CONSIDERS A SECOND HOTEL TO BE PLACED, THE
ACRE FOR THE PARKING AND THE 1.5 ACRES FOR THE PARK.
THE PARK IMPROVEMENTS ALSO INCLUDE 30 EXCLUSIVE PARKING

SPACES FOR THE PARK AS WELL AS ON-STREET SPACES FOR THE
PARK.
ONCE ALL OF THIS WOULD GET CONSTRUCTED AND IMPROVED, THE
SECOND PART TO THIS IS THEN A LICENSE AGREEMENT.
AND THAT WILL BE COMING BACK BEFORE YOU ON THE 19th, BUT
YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT ONE WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER.
THE LICENSE AGREEMENT SAYS ONCE ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE
IMPROVED, YOU MAY HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE NOW THE PROPERTY.
SO INSTEAD OF LEASING IT, WE DO A LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR A
20-YEAR PERIOD.
THE 87 SPACES THAT ARE IN THE PARKING LOT ARE NONEXCLUSIVE
SPACES UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT THE SECOND HOTEL WOULD TAKE
PLACE.
IF THE SECOND HOTEL NEVER GETS APPROVED, NEVER TAKES PLACE,
THE PARKING IS THERE, IT'S AVAILABLE AND THERE ARE
NONEXCLUSIVE RIGHTS TO THAT.
AND THEN THERE IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE 30 SPACES FOR THE
PARK.
AND THEN THE ONE MATTER, THE STORMWATER.
THE STORMWATER FROM THE PARK AND THE PARKING LOT ARE GOING
TO BE ACCOMMODATED ON THE HOTEL'S STORMWATER RETENTION.
AND I WILL LET MR. GARDNER AND HIS TEAM SPEAK TO THAT WHEN
WE TURN IT OVER TO THAT.
THE PROPERTY AS I JUST DISCUSSED IS PROPOSED TO BE DEVELOPED
IN TWO PHASES.

THAT FIRST ONE -- THE FIRST HOTEL IS IN PERMITTING.
I DID GO THROUGH THE PERMIT LAST NIGHT JUST TO DOUBLE CHECK
EVERYTHING.
IT IS IN PERMITTING.
AND I DON'T THINK TONY MULKEY -- DID HE COME IN?
NOT YET.
TONY MULKEY AS WELL AS REBECCA JOHNS AND MYSELF AND THE REAL
ESTATE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN THE NEGOTIATION TEAM ON THIS FOR
THE PAST TWO YEARS WITH THE DEVELOPER TO GET THIS TO THE
POINT IN FRONT OF YOU THIS MORNING.
I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MR. GARDNER NOW TO SPEAK A
LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFICALLY TO THEIR ELEMENTS OF THIS.
10:43:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
10:43:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A QUESTION FIRST.
WHY ARE YOU BRINGING A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR SOMETHING
THAT WE HAVEN'T APPROVED -- A REZONING WE HAVEN'T APPROVED?
WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS HOTEL?
10:44:06AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THERE IS ONE HOTEL ALREADY APPROVED.
10:44:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, BUT WHAT IF WE DON'T APPROVE THE SECOND
HOTEL.
10:44:12AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
10:44:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GENERALLY WHEN YOU DO THESE THINGS, LIKE
BRINGING THE SECOND HOTEL, YOU BRING THE DEVELOPMENT
AGREEMENT AT THAT TIME.
THAT'S NORMALLY HOW THIS WORKS.

I'M CURIOUS WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS WITH THIS AND WHY WE'RE
DOING IT, WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER BACKWARDS.
10:44:33AM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ACTUALLY IS NOT TIED TO THE SECOND
HOTEL.
THEY HAVE TO BUILD A PARK PURSUANT TO THE DEVELOPMENT
AGREEMENT BEFORE THEY GET THE C.O. FOR THE FIRST HOTEL.
EVEN IF THE SECOND HOTEL NEVER COMES INTO PLAY, WE STILL
HAVE THE PARK AND THEY WOULD CONSTRUCT THE PARKING LOT.
10:44:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS CONNECTED TO
THE FIRST HOTEL, NOT THE SECOND HOTEL.
10:44:56AM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS CONNECTED TO THE
PARKING LOT, THE USE OF THE PARKING LOT.
10:45:02AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THE USE OF THE CITY'S PROPERTY FOR A PARKING
LOT.
THAT'S WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS TIED TO REGARDLESS
OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT, YES.
10:45:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I JUST FELT THE NEED TO RESPOND TO THE PART ABOUT THE FIRST
PUBLIC HEARING BEING -- YOU SAID HAVING PUBLIC INPUT AT
APPROPRIATE TIMES.
MY CONCERN IS THAT 10:30 A.M. ON A THURSDAY IS NOT
ACCESSIBLE FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE PUBLIC.
I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I'M
CONCERNED THAT THERE WASN'T AN EVENING MEETING IN THE AREA

OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, BECAUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT
IS ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.
WE'VE GOTTEN NUMEROUS E-MAILS ON THIS, BUT PEOPLE CAN'T COME
BECAUSE IT'S 10:30 ON A THURSDAY.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO
RECONSIDER SOMEHOW AND MAKE SURE THERE'S ACTUALLY A PUBLIC
MEETING IN THE AREA OF WHERE WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS
GOING FORWARD, BUT THAT IS THE BIG CONCERN FOR ME.
I UNDERSTAND THE POSITION OF THE CITY IN NEEDING TO
NEGOTIATE, BUT AFTER A NEGOTIATION, OR AFTER A -- AFTER WE
THINK WE ARE SET, HAVING THAT MEETING WITH THE COMMUNITY IN
THE EVENING, EVEN IF IT'S BETWEEN THESE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS,
WHATEVER WORKS, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK
AT GOING FORWARD SO THAT THE PUBLIC REALLY DOES HAVE THE
ACCESS OTHER THAN SIMPLY E-MAIL ON A THURSDAY MORNING.
10:46:35AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I APPRECIATE THAT AND UNDERSTAND THAT AND
THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
10:46:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND THEN COUNCIL
MEMBER CLENDENIN.
10:46:45AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE IN COUNCIL WORKING WITH YOU AND OTHERS
HAVE SET MORE GUIDELINES FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, BUT EVEN IF
THE GUIDELINES DON'T REQUIRE IT, NOT GOING TO THE PUBLIC HAS
CAUSED US TO GET A WHOLE BUNCH OF E-MAILS, A BUNCH OF CALLS,
AND THERE'S LOTS OF CONCERN IN THE COMMUNITY.
EVEN IF WE DON'T CREATE A FORMAL PROCESS, I WISH THAT WE

COULD PROACTIVELY THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS LEAK OUT AND WHEN
SIGNS GO UP, PEOPLE START TALKING ABOUT THEM.
I UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE FOR HAVING A PRIVATE
CONVERSATION, BUT SOMEHOW, AS WE KNOW, THE PUBLIC IS GOING
TO FIND OUT, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC IS ENGAGED IN
SOME WAY.
SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT ANOTHER TIME.
THE OTHER THING AND I'LL MAKE A FEW COMMENTS AND MAYBE YOU
CAN COMMENT AT THE END.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE TREATED THIS -- I REMEMBER THE TERM LIKE AN
IRREGULAR OR REMAINDER LOT INSTEAD OF LIKE A REGULAR PIECE
OF PROPERTY.
ONE OF MY CONCERNS IN THE PAST IS THE CITY HAS SOLD PIECES
OF PROPERTY WITHOUT PUTTING THEM OUT FOR BID.
AND THE DEVELOPERS IN THE COMMUNITY SAY, WELL, IF I HAD
KNOWN, I WOULD HAVE PAID MORE FOR IT.
I THINK IF IT IS AN IRREGULAR PIECE OR REMAINDER PIECE,
THERE ARE RULES ON HOW WE CAN GET AROUND THAT.
BUT I WONDER, WAS THERE A COMPETITIVE BID?
WAS THERE AN APPRAISAL OF THE PROPERTY AS TO THE VALUE OF IT
OR EVALUATION IN SOME WAY?
AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE GRANT, I KNOW WITH THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT, IF THEY GIVE YOU A GRANT, IF YOU CHANGE THE USE
OF IT, YOU CAN PAY THEM BACK WITH INTEREST OR SOMETHING LIKE
THAT.

IN THIS CASE, IT WAS ENTERPRISE FLORIDA WHICH DOESN'T EXIST
ANYMORE.
I THINK YOU SAID THERE WERE NO TIES TO IT.
COULD WE HAVE SOLD THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY?
COULD WE HAVE HAD A COMPETITIVE PIECE AND SOLD IT OUTRIGHT
INSTEAD OF THE LICENSE AGREEMENT?
CONNECTED TO THAT, WE WENT THROUGH, I THINK IT WAS COUNCIL
MEMBER SUAREZ AND MAYBE MULHERN YEARS AGO WHO REALIZED THAT
THE PARKS IN THE CITY WERE ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL USE, AND WE
WENT THROUGH AND CHANGED IT, WORKING WITH YOUR TEAM AND
OTHERS, CHANGED THEM ALL TO BE A PARK STATUS TO PROTECT THE
PARKS IN THE FUTURE.
I WONDER, HAS THIS ONE BEEN INCLUDED IN THAT PROCESS.
I DON'T REMEMBER IT GOING THROUGH.
IS IT PROTECTED AT ALL AS PARK SPACE AND WHAT LIMITS DOES
THAT PUT ON IT?
IF NOT, WHAT IS THE PLAN TO PROTECT AT LEAST THE REMAINING
PART OF IT FOR THE FUTURE?
10:49:23AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
AS FAR AS THE COMPETITIVE BID RESPONSE, WE
DID NOT PERFORM A COMPETITIVE BID BECAUSE AT THIS TIME IT
WAS NOT OUR DESIRE TO PUT THE PIECE OUT FOR OUR P FOR PARK
DEVELOPMENT.
WE WERE APPROACHED WHICH MANY TIMES WE ARE WITH AN
OPPORTUNITY TO DO WHAT THE PROPERTY HAD BEEN PURCHASED FOR
IN 2005.

IT IS IN THE GREENWAYS AND MASTER TRAILS PLAN.
IT IS NOT IN THE PARKS.
IT IS NOT A DEDICATED PARK AS OF TODAY BECAUSE IT HAS NOT
BEEN IMPROVED AS A PARK USE AS OF TO DATE.
I CAN TALK TO THE ENTERPRISE FLORIDA.
WE DID RESEARCH BACK ON THE PURCHASE, THE GRANT AWARD.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD SELL IT OUTRIGHT.
IT IS PARTIALLY IN THE CLEAR ZONE AND THERE'S NO VERTICAL
DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD TAKE PLACE HERE.
THAT IS WHY I BELIEVE IN '05 WE ORIGINALLY PURCHASED IT TO
BE THAT ENVIRONMENTAL BUFFER AND TO BE PART OF THE TRAIL
PROGRAM AND SERVE AS A TRAILHEAD WITH ASSOCIATED PARKING.
I WISH TONY WERE HERE TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT --
10:50:41AM >> HE'S ONLINE NOW.
10:50:42AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
-- TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT GETTING THOSE
THINGS TEED UP.
I DID MENTION PROGRESSIVELY WE'VE HAD OTHER OPPORTUNITIES
WHERE THE TRAIL, GREENWAYS AND MASTER TRAIL IS NOW COMING
DOWN FROM GANDY, ALONG THAT BOAT RAMP AND THROUGH WESTSHORE
MARINA AND THEN IT DOES ACTUALLY COME DOWN.
AND THIS WAS PART OF THAT CONNECTION FROM THE PICNIC ISLAND
TO THE GADSDEN PARK AREA.
I THINK IN RELATIONSHIP TO FUTURE AND ONCE THIS PARK IS -- I
MEAN, YES, WE COULD DEDICATE THIS.
THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM AND ENSURE ITS PROTECTION.

ALTHOUGH I DO BELIEVE GIVEN THE LOCATION, IT CANNOT BE
VERTICALLY DEVELOPED.
10:51:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
MR. MULKEY AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
10:51:34AM >>TONY MULKEY:
TONY MULKEY, PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR.
I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING IN CHAMBERS.
YOUR EFFICIENCY IS IMPRESSIVE THIS MORNING.
HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROCESS HERE.
I THINK WE DID HAVE A VERY CONSIDERED PROCESS INTERNALLY TO
TRY AND GET A GOOD VALUE FOR THE CITY, ESPECIALLY WITH THE
LIMITATIONS ON THE SITE, BEING IN THE CLEAR ZONE, WE ARE
VERY LIMITED AS TO WHAT WE CAN DO ON THE SITE, BUT IT DOES
FALL WITHIN THE SOUTH TAMPA GREENWAYS PLAN AS ADMINISTRATOR
FEELEY REFERENCED.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFICS ON THIS.
10:52:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:52:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ACTUALLY IN NEW BUSINESS TODAY, COUNCIL
MEMBER CARLSON, I'M PLANNING ON ASKING STAFF TO FIX SOME OF
THE SITUATIONS, LOOK FOR AN ORDINANCE, TIGHTEN UP SOME OF
THE RULES ON HOW WE VACATE OR TRANSFER CONTROL OF CITY-OWNED
PROPERTIES.
LOOK FOR THAT NEW BUSINESS TODAY, ACTUALLY.
I'M NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO THIS IDEA.
KIND OF CREATIVE AND KIND OF INTERESTING.

ON THE STATUS OF THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, IT WILL REMAIN CITY
PROPERTY, AND THEY HAVE A 20-YEAR USE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO AT 20 YEARS, WHAT HAPPENS?
10:53:01AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
AT THE END OF THE 20 YEARS, THE LICENSE
AGREEMENT, YES, I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR.
THE CITY IS NOT CONVEYING OUR PROPERTY.
WE ARE RETAINING OWNERSHIP OF THIS PROPERTY, ALL OF IT, THE
IMPROVEMENTS ARE BEING MADE.
THE PARK IS OURS AS WELL AS THE PARKING LOT AND THOSE
IMPROVEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
THEY ARE THEN GETTING THAT LICENSE AGREEMENT TO BE ABLE TO
USE THOSE SPACES, NON-EXCLUSIVELY OR EXCLUSIVELY DEPENDING
ON WHAT HAPPENS DOWN THE ROAD, FOR 20 YEARS.
AT THE END OF THE 20 YEARS, THERE ARE TWO TERMS OPPORTUNITY
FOR RENEWAL.
10:53:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO IT WOULDN'T AUTOMATICALLY COME BACK TO
THE CITY IN 20 YEARS.
IN PERPETUITY FOR WHATEVER THE RENEWAL PERIOD IS, IN
EXCHANGE FOR THE PARK IMPROVEMENTS, THEY ARE GOING TO GET
THE USE OF THIS PROPERTY TAX-FREE, BASICALLY, CORRECT?
PROPERTY TAX FREE.
10:53:53AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YES.
10:53:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BECAUSE IT WOULD BE CITY.
THAT'S A MIGHTY EXPENSIVE BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY TAX FREE FOR
HOW MANY RENEWALS WOULD IT BE?

10:54:05AM >> LET ME CLARIFY.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY TAX-FREE.
IT'S RENT-FREE.
WHETHER IT'S TAXED OR NOT DEPENDS ON WHETHER IT FITS INTO AN
EXCEPTION FOR GOVERNMENTAL USE UNDER THE STATE STATUTE.
SO I CAN'T TELL YOU WHETHER IT IS TAX-FREE RIGHT NOW, BUT --
10:54:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT ANSWERED BEFORE
I MAKE THE DECISION, IF WE'RE GIVING AWAY -- IF IT'S
TAX-FREE VERSUS NOT TAX-FREE.
IF THERE'S INCOME BEING PROVIDED, APPROPRIATION COMPENSATION
FOR THE CITY.
10:54:35AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I THINK THE OTHER ELEMENT TO THIS AND
REBECCA AND I HAVE SPOKEN, THERE IS A PAYMENT BEING MADE
CLEARLY FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PARKLAND.
SO THAT ALSO IS A PAYMENT THAT IS BEING RECEIVED.
A LOT OF THE CASES AND OTHER CASES THROUGH OTHER LEASES WE
HAVE ON OTHER DIFFERENT MATTERS, THERE MIGHT BE A RENT
PAYMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT IN THIS CASE, THAT PAYMENT IS BEING MADE UP FRONT IN THE
FORM OF CREATING THE PARK.
10:55:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T KNOW THE DOLLAR FIGURE AND
AMORTIZED OVER THE LIFE OF THE LEASE, WHAT THAT ENDS UP
BEING.
COULD BE A GREAT DEAL OR BEST BARGAIN FOR THE DEVELOPER
EVER.

I DON'T KNOW WHICH.
I DON'T THINK I HAVE THE INFORMATION TO DETERMINE WHICH IS
WHICH YET.
10:55:26AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
AND THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE THAT THEY ARE
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PROPERTY.
10:55:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE DOLLAR FIGURE TO
SEE WHAT THAT MEANS TO THE CITY.
10:55:35AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
MR. GARDNER MAY HAVE SOME OF THAT.
10:55:38AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
TWO LITTLE THINGS.
MAINTENANCE OF THE PARK OR LAND, WHO WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR
THE MAINTENANCE AND WHAT TYPE OF INSURANCE IS GOING TO BE
NECESSARY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY IS HELD --
10:55:51AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THE DEVELOPER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
MAINTENANCE OF THE PROPERTY.
BOTH SETS OF IMPROVEMENTS.
ON THE INSURANCE, I NEED TO CHECK WITH REBECCA AND RON ON
WHAT THE INSURANCE REQUIREMENT IS.
I KNOW IT'S IN THE AGREEMENT.
10:56:09AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
STATED EARLIER, PARKLANDS, CITY OF TAMPA
CANNOT SELL WHEN SOMETHING IS DEDICATED PARKLAND AT ALL.
IT HAS TO BE DONE BY REFERENDUM AND THE PUBLIC HAS TO VOTE
ON IT AND NOT EVEN THE GOVERNMENT.
THAT'S WHAT WE DID -- RIGHT, IT IS NOT.
PRIOR TO THAT IT WAS STARTED BACK IN ANOTHER ADMINISTRATION,
BUT WE FINISHED IT UP, ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO.

10:56:32AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
WE CAN DEDICATE THIS ONCE IT'S DONE.
I THINK UNDER THE PURCHASE AND THE GRANT AGREEMENT, IT'S
CLEAR WHAT THE PROPOSED PURPOSE WAS FOR AND THERE WOULD NOT
BE OTHER DEVELOPMENT, BUT THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
WE COULD MAKE A MODIFICATION TO THAT.
10:56:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. GARDNER.
10:56:55AM >> TRUETT GARDNER, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE, HERE ON BEHALF OF
PINEWOOD BF, LLC AND IN PARTICULAR, BRIAN FUNK.
RIGHT OFF THE BACK, DISPEL ANY NOTION OR RUMOR THIS WAS SOME
SORT OF CLANDESTINE NEGOTIATION, NOT THAT AT ALL.
THANK ABBYE AND REBECCA BEING PATIENT WITH US THROUGH THE
PROCESS.
IT IS A UNIQUE SITUATION.
I THINK A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY.
I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DEAL TERMS, THE DEAL TERMS SKEW
LARGELY IN FAVOR OF THE CITY.
TO ANSWER TWO QUESTIONS, ONE FROM YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER
MIRANDA, ON INSURANCE.
I JUST TOOK A LOOK TO CONFIRM THE DEVELOPER IS RESPONSIBLE
FOR PROVIDING INSURANCE.
THERE'S ACTUALLY A SCHEDULE.
SCHEDULE E ON THE BACK OF THE AGREEMENT THAT HAS ALL THE
INSURANCE THAT HAS TO BE PROVIDED.
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, ON THE TAX ISSUE, JUST TO BE

CLEAR, THERE WILL NOT BE ANY VERTICAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT THE
DEVELOPER WILL HAVE ON THE CITY LEASE PROPERTY.
WHAT THEY ARE GETTING IN EXCHANGE FOR THIS IS JUST SOME
ADDITIONAL PARKING SHOULD THE SECOND HOTEL BE BUILT.
JUST TO GO BACK AND REITERATE, REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS, I
THINK THIS IS WHAT MAKES IT UNIQUE, REGARDLESS OF WHAT
HAPPENS WITH THE SECOND HOTEL, THE PROVISION OF THE FIRST
HOTEL IS THE TRIGGER AND THEIR ABILITY TO GET THEIR C.O. IS
CONTINGENT UPON THEM PROVIDING THE IMPROVEMENTS, FULLY PAID
FOR BY THEM, WHICH THE ESTIMATES OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ALONE
IS IN EXCESS OF $400,000 AND THEN ONGOING MAINTENANCE.
I'M NOT SURE IF MR. FUNK HAS NUMBERS ON THE MAINTENANCE, BUT
PERHAPS HE DOES AND WE CAN SHARE THAT WITH YOU.
WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THE INSURANCE QUESTION AND SECOND ON THE
TAXATION SITUATION.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH TO BE TAXED WITH A SURFACE
PARKING LOT THAT WILL BE PROVIDED AND SHARED BETWEEN THE
CITY AND THE DEVELOPER.
BUT JUST WANTED TO STRESS THERE IS NO VERTICAL IMPROVEMENT
ALLOWED OR PROPOSED FOR AT ALL ON THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE
LEASED FROM THE CITY.
10:58:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO -- I MEAN, IT IS
THE COMBINATION OF THE SURFACE PARKING LOT AND THE PROPOSED
SECOND HOTEL, YOU COULDN'T DO THAT THE SECOND HOTEL DOES
HAVE VALUE THAT COULD NOT HAPPEN WITHOUT THE ADDITIONAL

PARKING.
THERE IS VALUE TO THE PARCELS OF THE PROPERTY.
10:59:12AM >> MOST DEFINITELY, YES.
10:59:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I JUST WANT TO SEE THE BALANCE.
10:59:16AM >> NO, I GET IT.
10:59:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OVER THE POTENTIAL EXPANDED LEASE PERIOD
OF THE FIRST TERM AND THEN PROPOSED EXTENSIONS, WHAT THE
CITY GETS FOR IT, AMORTIZED OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME VERSUS
WHAT WE LOSE, POTENTIAL REVENUE, IF WE'RE ABLE TO PARLAY
THIS IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
10:59:35AM >> I THINK IN FULL CANDOR, WHAT THE CITY GETS, IT'S A
TRAILHEAD CONNECTION.
THEY GET A PARK THAT THERE WAS NO FUNDING FOR, NOT EVEN
CONTEMPLATED.
IT'S ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND ABBYE HAS A BRIEF
PRESENTATION THAT WILL SHOW YOU.
IT'S UNDEVELOPABLE.
SO AS FAR AS VALUE THAT IT MAY HAVE, IT'S NEGLIGIBLE.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE CITY GETS, WHICH I THINK IS GREAT.
SELFISHLY ON THE DEVELOPER STANDPOINT, WHAT THEY GET IS THIS
PARKING.
WE COULD POTENTIALLY COME BACK TO YOU WITH A PD SHOULD THEY
GO FORWARD WITH THE SECOND HOTEL, ASKING FOR A PARKING
WAIVER WHERE THAT WOULD NOT NECESSITATE THIS AREA OF
PARKING.

THAT WOULD BE THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE.
I THINK IT'S BETTER FOR THE CITY AND BETTER FOR THE
DEVELOPER TO PROVIDE THAT PARKING AND THAT'S WHAT THEY GET
IS THAT AREA OF PARKING FOR THAT SECOND HOTEL SHOULD IT BE
DEVELOPED.
AGAIN, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S DEVELOPED OR NOT, THE CITY
IS GOING TO GET THIS PARK AND IT WILL BE MAINTAINED FOR A
MINIMUM OF 20 YEARS.
11:00:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT BREAKDOWN
OF COST VERSUS BENEFIT ON BOTH SIDES SO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT
KIND OF REAL DEAL WE'RE GETTING.
11:00:46AM >> THE ONLY OTHER THING I REALLY WANTED TO DISTINGUISH IS WE
DID NEGOTIATE THESE TERMS WITH THE CITY.
IT WAS NOTICED.
SIGNS WERE POSTED, ALL THAT WAS DONE COMPLETELY PROPERLY,
BUT I DID WANT TO CLARIFY AS IT RELATES TO THE PARK DESIGN,
WE HAVE GONE VERY FAR AWAY WITH THAT.
WE ACTUALLY MET WITH STEPHANIE AND CARROLL ANN, TALKED TO
STEPHANIE BEFORE THIS.
SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE GENERALLY HAPPY WITH THE DESIGN.
BUT THAT DESIGN IS ONLY IN DRAFT FORM IS STILL SUBJECT TO
APPROVAL ULTIMATELY BY PARKS.
SO WE'RE COMING TO YOU TODAY WITH SPECIFIC TERMS OF A
DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, BUT AS FAR AS THE PARK, WHICH IS THE
BIG BENEFIT TO THE CITY, THAT STILL IS NOT DONE.

IT'S RIDING ALONGSIDE THIS, BUT THAT'S STILL OUT THERE TO BE
APPROVED.
11:01:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:01:36AM >> WITH THAT I KNOW THIS IS A UNIQUE SITUATION, BOTH WITH
RESPECT TO THE UNIQUE PROPERTY AND THEN ALSO OUR CLIENT,
FUNK, IS UNIQUE.
NOT ONLY A DEVELOPER BUT A LOVER OF PARKS IN THE CITY.
WAS HEAVILY INVOLVED WITH THE SWAMP PARK ADJACENT TO HYDE
PARK VILLAGE.
HAS PLANS TO BE INVOLVED IN OTHERS.
SO THAT WAS REALLY THE GENESIS OF HOW THIS CAME TO BE AND
HOW WE ARE HERE TODAY.
SO WITH THAT, JUST A COUPLE MORE CONTEXT SLIDES.
ABBYE DID A GREAT JOB OF COVERING A LOT OF THOSE.
ADDIE CLARK HAS A FEW SHE WILL RUN THROUGH TO PROVIDE A
LITTLE MORE CONTEXT, SPECIFICALLY ON THE UNDEVELOPABLE
NATURE OF THIS PROPERTY.
11:02:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:02:22AM >> ADDIE CLARK, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
IF I COULD PLEASE HAVE -- THANK YOU.
WE WILL RUN THROUGH THESE.
LIKE I SAID, ABBYE WENT OVER THE LOCATION OF THIS AND
EXISTING CONDITIONS.
PHOTOS.
A LITTLE BIT OVERGROWN, LITTLE BIT SOMEWHAT UNSAFE.

SO THE GOAL HERE IS TO CREATE AN OVERGROWN, LITTLE BIT
UNSAFE AREA OF THE CITY INTO A BEAUTIFUL PARK THAT EVERYONE
CAN ENJOY.
HERE, YOU CAN SEE 2.5 ACRES OF CITY OWNED PROPERTY, PROPOSED
TO BE ABOUT 1.5 ACRES OF BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY PARK AND THEN
PARKING.
HERE YOU CAN SEE WE'RE PROPOSING SHADY TREES, BENCHES,
MEANDERING WALKING PATHS AND PUBLIC PARKING FOR EVERYONE TO
ENJOY.
WE BELIEVE THIS IS A GREAT AREA FOR SITTING IN THE SHADE,
READING A BOOK BUT ALSO A NICE AREA TO KICK A SOCCER BALL
AROUND OR KIDS TO PLAY TAG AND AREA IN THE PURPLE WOULD BE
PARKING FOR DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST AS DISCUSSED.
OF COURSE, STORMWATER RETENTION WILL ALL BE LOCATED TO THE
WEST IN VAULTS.
AS WE SAW LAST NIGHT, THAT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT IN THE
CITY.
GOING TO DEVELOPMENT RESTRICTIONS, ABBYE HIT ON THIS HOW
THIS WAS A CITY LOT ACQUIRED THROUGH A FEDERAL GRANT, BUT
THEN THE PARCEL THAT ACTUALLY CANNOT BE DEVELOPED AT ALL
WITH ANY VERTICAL STRUCTURE, DUE TO ITS LOCATION IN THE
MacDILL AIR FORCE FLIGHT PATH CLEAR ZONE IN RED AND THEN
YOU CAN SEE THIS RED KIND OF THUMBTACK WHERE THE PARKS
PROPERTY IS.
THIS IS AN OBSTRUCTION-FREE SURFACE AREA FOR THE PLANES AND

FOR THAT FLIGHT PATH.
SO THIS CLEAR ZONE PROHIBITS THE REASONABLE ECONOMIC USE OF
THE LAND, WHICH IS CURRENTLY ZONED IG, INDUSTRIAL GENERAL.
SINCE STRUCTURES CANNOT BE BUILT FOR THE SAFETY OF THOSE IN
THE PLANE AND THOSE OUTSIDE OF THE PLANE.
OF COURSE, WE BELIEVE THIS IS AN OVERALL PUBLIC BENEFIT.
BRIAN FUNK, WHO I WILL INTRODUCE IN A MOMENT, WILL BE
PROVIDING THE PLANNING, DESIGN, DEVELOPMENT, AND
CONSTRUCTION OF ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS, UPWARDS OF $400,000.
IT'S NOT A SALE OF THE LAND.
JUST A LEASE ONLY.
AND THEN THE PARK WILL BE THE ENTRY TO THIS AREA.
IT IS HIS PRIORITY TO KEEP IT CLEAN, SAFE AND WELL
MAINTAINED AT ALL TIMES.
WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO PASS TO BRIAN FUNK, WHO IS THE
DEVELOPER OF THIS PROJECT, TO TALK ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE WITH
DEVELOPING BEAUTIFUL PARKS IN THE CITY AND THE VISION FOR
THIS SITE IN PARTICULAR.
THANK YOU.
11:04:59AM >> GOOD MORNING.
BRIAN FUNK.
PINEWOOD BF, LLC.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THIS
PROJECT.

I'M BRIAN FUNK, I'M THE DEVELOPER OF THE HOTEL AND THE
ADJACENT PARCEL TO THE WEST AND THE ONE ENTERING INTO THE
LEASE AND DEVELOPER AGREEMENT, PROPOSED LEASE AND DEVELOPER
AGREEMENT FOR THE NEW CITY PARK AND PARKING.
HOWEVER I'M NOT ONLY HERE AS DEVELOPER BUT ALSO AS FOURTH
GENERATION CITIZEN OF TAMPA AND CITY OF TAMPA PARKS AND
VOLUNTEER DONOR WITH YEARS OF EXPERIENCING CREATING
FUNCTIONAL TRAILS AND GREENSPACE IN FLORIDA AND COLORADO.
THE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG SWANN AVENUE AS WELL AS THE SWANN
POND IMPROVEMENTS WERE LOCAL VOLUNTEER EXAMPLES OF PROJECTS
THAT I HAVE LED.
SPEAKING AS A DEVELOPER, THIS PARK PRESENTS A SAFE AND
ATTRACTIVE APPROACH TO NEW HAMPTON INN SLIGHTLY DOWN
PINEWOOD STREET.
ADDITIONAL PROPOSED PARKING CREATES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A
POTENTIAL SECOND HOTEL.
HOTELS MAINLY SERVE MACDILL AIR FORCE BASE AS WELL AS
CERTAIN DEMAND FROM LOCAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THAN CORRECTLY POINTED OUT AT THE
REZONING HEARING IN 2022, HAVING ADDITIONAL ROOMS WOULD
REDUCE TRAFFIC IN THE AREA AND ON BASE AS WELL AS PROVIDE
THE BASE WITH MUCH NEEDED MEETING ROOM SPACE.
SPEAKING AS A CITIZEN OF TAMPA AND A PARK VOLUNTEER, THE
PARK IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO BEAUTIFY AND ACTIVATE THE
LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD, THE PROPOSED PARK WILL ALSO BE A NODE

ALONG THE URBAN GREENWAY AND PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY TO OTHER
PARKS IN THE CITY.
THE TYPES OF NODES AND CONNECTIVITY HAVE BEEN LACKING IN THE
CITY FOR DECADES AND PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACTIVATE THE
ENTIRE CITY AND NOT JUST ONE NEIGHBORHOOD.
LAST FRIDAY I MET WITH THE LEADERS OF THAN AND DISCUSSED THE
PARK AND ADDITIONAL PARKING.
MANY GOOD POINTS MADE BY MS. POYNOR AND MRS. BENNETT AND
INCORPORATED INTO THE PLAN SUBJECT TO APPROVAL FROM THE
CITY.
I'VE SHARED THAT WITH THEM.
I JUST GOT THAT BACK FROM MY LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, A SIGN OF
GOOD FAITH, AND WE REVISED SOME ITEMS, PRESENTED THAT TO
THEM EARLIER.
SUBJECT TO APPROVAL FROM THE CITY, SPECIFICALLY WE ADDED TEN
MORE SHADE TREES, MOSTLY LIVE OAKS AND ARE GOING TO PRICE
OUT DIFFERENT -- PRICE OUT A DIFFERENT TYPE OF ASPHALT
INSTEAD OF CONCRETE PER THEIR SUGGESTION.
THE LEASE AND DEVELOPER AGREEMENT AS RELATES TO THE
ADDITIONAL PARKING PROVIDE MUCH-NEEDED PARK SPACE AND
CONNECTIVITY TO THE IMMEDIATE AREA AND GIVE THE CITY A MEANS
TO PAY FOR IT WITHOUT COMING OUT OF POCKET VIA LONG-TERM
PARKING LEASE.
POTENTIAL FOR SECOND HOTEL TO HOUSE SERVICE MEMBERS AND
THEIR LOVED ONES IS AN ADDITIONAL BENEFIT TO BE ENJOYED BY

THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
I'M OPEN TO QUESTIONS.
11:07:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
IF NOT, I'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT, IF THAT CONCLUDES THE
PRESENTATION.
11:07:37AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
JUST ONE QUESTION.
DO YOU HAVE THE DESIGN THAT SHOWS THE PARKING LOT AND THE
IMPROVEMENTS OF THE PARK TOGETHER?
11:07:44AM >> YES, MA'AM, WE DO.
THIS SHOWS THE CITY OWNED PARCEL AND SHADED LIGHT BLUE AREA
IS THE PARKING WE NEED.
GREEN WILL BE THE PARK SPACE.
I THINK WHAT IS A LITTLE UNDERREPRESENTED HERE, THE SHADED
RED SHOWS THE PARKING AREAS, DEDICATED PARKING SPOTS FOR THE
PARK.
HOWEVER, THEY WOULD STILL NEED INGRESS AND EGRESS TO ACCESS
THAT.
A PORTION OF THAT IS REALLY STILL, AND THEN THE BALANCE
WOULD BE ATTRIBUTED TO THE SECOND HOTEL SO THAT WE MIGHT
SURFACE PARK AUTOMOBILES FOR US.
WE COULD REQUEST A WAIVER.
WE DON'T WANT TO BECAUSE IT COMES DOWN TO GUEST
SATISFACTION.
AS WE'VE SEEN RECENTLY, SO MUCH RAIN, SOMEBODY GETTING OFF A

PLANE, LATE, LOOKING FOR A PARKING SPOT AND RAINING, TRYING
TO CHECK INTO A HOTEL.
IT CLEANS UP THIS AREA AND IT'S NOT A VERY NICE THING TO
LOOK AT.
WANT TO BEAUTIFY AND ACTIVATE IT, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE COMING
FROM.
11:08:54AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
HOW DOES IT INCORPORATE INTO THE LOOK OF
THE HOTEL?
I LOVE THE IDEA.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF THE COMMUNITY WILL KNOW THAT IT'S
THEIR PARK AND DOESN'T BELONG TO THE HOTEL.
11:09:04AM >> YES.
THERE WILL BE CITY OF TAMPA SIGNAGE, INCLUDING SIGNAGE FOR
THE PARKING THAT THOSE WILL BE DEDICATED -- PINK SPOTS,
THOSE ARE DEDICATED CITY OF TAMPA PARK SPOTS.
THERE IS A WALKWAY TO ACTIVATE IT AS WELL.
LIKE WAS MENTIONED, THIS IS ON THE URBAN GREENWAY, SO THAT
WILL BE PART OF THE NODE.
I THINK ANOTHER TERMINAL SPOT BY DALE MABRY COMING FROM
GADSDEN PARK.
THANK YOU.
11:09:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND THEN HURTAK.
11:09:33AM >>BILL CARLSON:
BRIAN, TRUETT MENTIONED BRIEFLY YOUR
INVOLVEMENT WITH SWANN POND.
AS YOU MAY REMEMBER, 10, 15 YEARS AGO, I WAS ON THE BOARD OF

HISTORIC HYDE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WHICH IS ONE OF
THREE OR FOUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS THAT WORKED ON THAT.
COULD YOU TAKE 30 SECONDS TO EXPLAIN YOUR CREDENTIALS IN
REGARD TO THAT PARK, WHAT YOU DID, WHAT YOUR FAMILY DID AND
THE SITUATION THAT WAS FACED THERE?
JUST SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS YOUR RELATIONSHIP TO PARKS.
11:10:01AM >> THAT WAS A SORT OF SELF-STARTER DEAL.
IT STARTED WITH A RESCUE DOG I GOT, BUSTER, AUSTRALIAN
SHEPHERD.
LOT OF ENERGY.
NEEDED TO BE WALKED LIKE A LOT.
EVERY TIME WE LEFT AND LIVED SORT OF NEAR THE VILLAGE, 99
OUT OF 100 TIMES STOP AT SWANN.
INHOSPITABLE.
THE PATHWAY, THE SIDEWALK WAS I THINK ONLY FOUR FOOT WIDE.
AT THE UNDERPASS IT WAS JUST DIRT.
REALLY WASN'T ANY SIDEWALK AT ALL TO SPEAK OF.
EVERY TIME WE GO IN THE SAME DIRECTION --
11:10:34AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IN CASE ANYBODY DOESN'T KNOW, IT WAS THE
DRAINAGE POND --
11:10:38AM >> STILL FUNCTIONING STORMWATER BODY FOR THE EXPRESSWAY.
A LOT OF CONDITIONS AND A LOT OF LIMITATIONS.
I APPRECIATE PEOPLE SAY IT IS A BEAUTIFICATION DEAL.
FORM FOLLOWS THE FUNCTION AND IT REALLY WAS A WAY TO
INCREASE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY BY MAKING IT SAFER, MORE

ATTRACTIVE FOR PEOPLE IN THE AREA AND ENDED UP LOOKING
REALLY NICE.
WORKING CURRENTLY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS, WITH THE CITY ON
THE BALL FIELD EXPANSION BY THE SOFTBALL FIELD.
SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT MANY YEARS AGO.
WE'LL REVIVE THAT AS WELL.
MY FAMILY ALSO DID THE PARK.
MAIN OFFICE BANK OF TAMPA BUILDING ON BAYSHORE AND SWANN AND
WE DEVELOPED THAT PARK IN THE '80s.
COINCIDENTALLY WITH DAVID CONNER WHEN HE WAS A MUCH YOUNGER
GUY.
WORKING ON A PROJECT IN HIGH COUNTRY IN COLORADO.
DEDICATE A LOT OF PARK SPACE AND TRAILS TO INTERCONNECT THE
PIKE NATIONAL FOREST WITH THE TOWN OF OMA.
COULD GO ON AND ON.
THIS ONE HAPPENS TO BE ONE OF THOSE DEALS WHERE I WOULD LOVE
TO SEE A PARK THERE, BUT ALSO A DEVELOPER, TOO, SO I HAVE TO
PUT THAT HAT ON.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
11:11:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. MULKEY.
I THINK HE'S PROBABLY STILL ON.
MR. MULKEY, IS THERE A WAY THAT -- BECAUSE THEY ARE TALKING
ABOUT TRAILHEADS IN DIFFERENT PLACES.
I'M SURE WE HAVE A MASTER PLAN MAP OF THIS.
IF THIS WERE TO GO TO SECOND READING OR SECOND HEARING,

SORRY, IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU COULD PROVIDE A MAP THAT
SHOWS WHAT THE CONNECTIVITY WOULD BE?
11:12:18AM >>TONY MULKEY:
TONY MULKEY, PARKS AND RECREATION AGAIN.
YES, WE HAVE A VARIETY OF PROPERTIES THAT WE COULD KIND OF
SPELL OUT WHERE THOSE CONNECTIONS ARE AND KIND OF THE TARGET
OF THE EXPANSION TO MAKE THE NETWORK HAPPEN.
YES, WE COULD CERTAINLY PROVIDE THAT.
EVERYONE PROBABLY KNOWS, SOUTH TAMPA IS IN NEED OF
ADDITIONAL PARK SPACE AND CONNECTIVITY TO PROVIDE THE
RECREATION OPTIONS AND WE FEEL IT IS A VERY CRITICAL PIECE
OF THAT.
11:12:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE KEEP HEARING THE WORD CONNECTIVITY AND
CONNECTING TRAILHEADS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHERE THE TRAILHEADS.
WHAT IS THE PLAN?
WHAT IS AVAILABLE?
I THINK THE PUBLIC WOULD PROBABLY LIKE TO SEE THAT AS WELL.
THANK YOU.
11:13:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
11:13:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THERE AT SWANN.
APPRECIATE THAT.
IT IS BEAUTIFUL.
I HOPE THERE IS A DOG PARK INVOLVED, WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY
TRYING TO USE AS A DOG PARK.

BACK TO THIS PROJECT.
BACK UP ON YOUR MAP OF THE PARKING LOT.
CAN YOU THROW THAT BACK UP THERE?
HAVE YOU GIVEN ANY THOUGHT OF CREATIVE?
IT DOES SEEM KIND OF WEIRD, STEPPING BACK FROM A VERY
INDUSTRIAL SPACE, HOTEL, AND SEEMS TO BE AN AWFUL LOT OF
CONCRETE OF MORE INTEGRATING THAT PARKING LOT WITH THE PARK
SO THAT IT IS MORE SEAMLESS.
JUST A SEA OF CONCRETE AND HEAT SINK.
11:13:57AM >> ALL THESE ISLANDS, WE'LL GO OVERBOARD ON LANDSCAPING.
THIS DOESN'T HAVE THE OVERLAY.
ALL THE PARKING BLOCK, THE ISLANDS, WE'RE GOING TO LOAD
EVERYTHING UP WITH LANDSCAPING.
THAT'S OUR INTENT FOR THE HOTEL'S SAKE, PARK'S SAKE, WE
DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK BARE.
11:14:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOT YOUR TYPICAL HAMPTON PARKING LOT.
11:14:16AM >> IT'S NOT.
HAPPY TO SHARE THE IMAGES WITH YOU.
11:14:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I MAY BE IN THE MINORITY.
IT'S FUNNY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE UNIMPROVED PROPERTY, I'M A
FLORIDIAN BEFORE FLORIDA BECAME A HOT MESS.
I FIND BEAUTIFUL NATURAL FLORIDA, THE SCRUB LAND.
IT ALL DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PERFECTLY MANICURED FOR ME.
11:14:47AM >> WE LIKE THAT TOO.
LET IT GET LEGGY.

USUALLY IN OUR TEMPLATE OF PLANT MATERIALS FOR THAT EXACT
REASON.
I'M WITH YOU, SAME.
THIS IS THE REAR OF IT.
GOT MORE GLASS, MORE FENESTRATION.
IN OUR BACKYARD.
REALLY WANT TO DO A NICE JOB.
11:15:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU'RE RIGHT.
HOTEL SPACE AND ESPECIALLY IN THAT AREA FOR THE BASE IS
IMPORTANT TOO.
WE HAVE TO FIND THAT BALANCE.
THAT IS A NICE LOOKING BUILDING.
11:15:19AM >> SPEAKING OF BALANCE AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, WE HAD A
SMALLER PARKING LOT ORIGINALLY, BUT WORKING WITH THE PARKS,
THEY FELT LIKE THIS WOULD GET QUITE A BIT OF USE.
A LITTLE BIT MORE PARKING CAME ON THAT SIDE, SO WE WERE
ACCOMMODATING THAT BECAUSE HOPEFULLY IT WILL GET UTILIZED A
LOT.
BIGGER PARK, MORE PARKING YOU'LL NEED.
CREATES THAT PARADOX WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF PARKING, HAVE A
LITTLE PARK.
WE THOUGHT THIS WAS A NICE HEALTHY BALANCE.
11:15:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.
11:15:50AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
GOOD TO SEE YOU, BRIAN, AS ALWAYS.

WE ACTUALLY WENT TO LAW SCHOOL TOGETHER.
CLASS OF WHAT, 2003.
11:15:59AM >> JUST THE OTHER DAY.
11:16:00AM >>LUIS VIERA:
RIGHT.
BEEN A WHILE.
I WANTED TO COMPLIMENT YOU BECAUSE WE TALKED A NUMBER OF
TIMES ABOUT YOUR GREAT WORK AND YOUR PASSION FOR GREENSPACES
AND PARKS.
I KNOW THE PRIOR PARK THAT YOU WORKED ON WITH COUNCIL MEMBER
HARRY COHEN.
WE'LL LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC ON THIS.
WHEN I SEE THIS, I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT FULFILLS A
REAL BIG NEED.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT IN TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, WHICH IS
SOUTH TAMPA IS VERY MISUNDERSTOOD.
BIG PORTION OF THE CITY -- THEY HAVE EVERYTHING.
IF YOU LOOK AT FLOODING, TAKE A LOOK AT THE ROADS IN SOUTH
TAMPA AND THEN A LOT OF PARKS.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT GOES TO A BIG NEED IN SOUTH TAMPA AND
ESPECIALLY AS YOU AND MR. GARDNER HAVE NOTED, SOMETHING NEAR
THE BASE, GADSDEN PARK IS SOMETHING USED BY A LOT OF OUR
MILITARY FAMILIES.
I KNOW YOU AS A PATRIOTIC PERSON I'M SURE ARE VERY AWARE OF
THE BENEFIT THAT THIS PARK COULD HAVE.
JUST WANTED TO SALUTE YOU FOR THIS AND LOOK FORWARD TO

HEARING MORE ABOUT IT FROM THE PUBLIC AND SEE WHERE WE GO
BUT WANTED TO THANK YOU.
11:17:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
DOES THAT CONCLUDE THE PRESENTATION?
11:17:08AM >> YES, IT DOES.
11:17:09AM >> JUST ONE THING, WHICH COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU ASKED MR.
MULKEY ON THE TRAIL, WE FOUND IT.
IF YOU WANT, WE CAN PUT THAT UP.
11:17:22AM >> THIS WAS FROM A GRAPHIC PROVIDED BY CARLA PRICE BACK A
FEW YEARS AGO.
THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES.
LET'S JUST PULL IT UP.
WE ADDED THAT THIS PROPERTY'S LOCATION WITH THE RED CIRCLE.
YOU CAN SEE HERE.
I BELIEVE SOME OF IT MIGHT HAVE CHANGED, SOME OF THE
MEANDERING MIGHT HAVE CHANGED A LITTLE BIT, LOCATIONS.
YOU SEE GADSDEN PARK.
AND ZOOM OUT OF THE DOCUMENT --
11:17:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST BEING ABLE TO LOOK AT THE LEGEND.
IF YOU COULD GO IN JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE.
PERFECT.
11:18:02AM >> YOU CAN PROBABLY READ IT.
THE PURPLE FUCHSIA COLOR IS WHAT'S EXISTING OR I BELIEVE
UNDER CONTROL.
THE ORANGE IS THE NEEDED LINKS.

YOU CAN TELL WHERE THIS SIDE IS, IT GETS CHALLENGING BECAUSE
THERE ARE SO MANY PRIVATELY HELD PARCELS.
TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION FROM EAST TO WEST IS CRITICALLY IN
THIS JUNCTURE POINT IN THE MIDDLE, WHICH I THINK THAT WAS
THE OPPORTUNITY THAT BRIAN INITIALLY SAW, IF HE CAN BE A
PART OF THAT AND HELP PROVIDE THAT, BY ALL MEANS, LET'S DO
IT.
AND THEN ALSO BE A PLACE WHERE IF YOU HAD TO BIKE, YOU COULD
GO, PARK, THAT COULD BE KIND OF YOUR TRAILHEAD, IF YOU WILL,
TO GO EITHER EAST OR WEST.
11:18:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
THAT'S THE VISUAL I WAS LOOKING FOR, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE
THAT.
11:18:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYTHING ELSE?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'LL OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME ON UP
AND STATE YOUR NAME.
MS. POYNOR, DO YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM?
YES, MA'AM.
GO AHEAD.
11:19:11AM >> GOOD MORNING.
KELLA McCASKILL.
I'M A NATIVE.
I WAS BORN DOWN IN THAT AREA WHERE MY MOM RECENTLY PASSED.

WE HAD TO GO TO MIDTOWN TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WAS SUITABLE
FOR THE BESTS THAT CAME IN TOWN FOR HER BURIAL SERVICES.
ALL MY LIFE WE TRAVELED AWAY THE AREA -- I FULLY SUPPORT
THIS HOTEL.
WE NEED IT.
I WON'T GO AGAINST A PROJECT, GARDNER BREWER -- I BELIEVE HE
WAS A GODSEND ANGEL FOR ME.
I SHARED MY COMMENTS WITH THAN.
THEY HAVE THAT ALREADY.
I'M READING ON BEHALF OF CARROLL ANN BENNETT TODAY.
SHE COULDN'T MAKE IT BECAUSE SHE'S GETTING WINDOW
REPLACEMENTS AT HER HOME.
SHE SAYS I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WANT THE GRASSY FIELD
IN THE MIDDLE.
I STILL WANT TO DO AWAY WITH PARALLEL PARKING ON THE STREETS
AND I WANT THEM TO SAVE THE CLUSTER OF THE OAKS ON THE
SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PARKING LOT.
LOOKING AT WHAT THEY GAVE US YESTERDAY, THEY CAN SAVE THAT
OAK CLUSTER BY ELIMINATE BEING SIX TO SEVEN PARKING SPACES.
GUESTS CAN USE THE PARKING FOR THE PARK IF NECESSARY.
IT'S A PUBLIC PARK SO WE COULDN'T STOP THEM IF WE WANTED TO.
I STILL WOULD LIKE THE IDEA OF PERMEABLE PARKING.
THOSE -- I'M READING FROM CARROLL ANN BENNETT'S STATEMENT.
THANK YOU.
11:20:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MR. GARDNER IS A GODSEND.
11:20:35AM >> I THINK HUDSON, NOT GARDNER.
I ASPIRE TO BE.
11:20:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. SHELBY, SHE HAS A COUPLE OF NAMES.
11:20:46AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ONE NAME IS ROBIN LOCKETT.
11:20:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
GO AHEAD.
YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES.
11:20:52AM >> MY NAME IS STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'M MIFFED WITH THE CITY AND THEIR
PROCESS FOR THIS.
YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL ME UNLESS YOU WANT TO,
WHATEVER.
I GET THIS IN THE MAIL WITHOUT THE ADDRESS AT THE TOP.
THIS ADDRESS AT THE TOP, I WROTE ON THERE.
THIS DOCUMENT SAYS LOT 34, 35, 36, 37 PINEWOOD, WHAT THE
HELL IS THAT?
OH, WAIT, I DON'T KNOW.
SO I HAD TO GO AND GO TO THE TAX ASSESSOR'S WEBSITE AND I
HAD TO LOOK UP PINEWOOD BF, LLC AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY
OWNED.
THIS DOCUMENT ALSO SAYS, IF I WANT TO SEE A COPY OF THE
PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, I HAVE TO GO TO THE CLERK'S
OFFICE.
WELL, WHEN I WENT TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE, GUESS WHAT, THEY

DIDN'T HAVE IT.
I WAS TOLD BY THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, OH, WE DON'T HAVE TO
HAVE IT DOWN THERE FOR EIGHT DAYS.
SORRY, NOT SORRY.
THIS IS CRAP.
I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO DO ALL THAT.
TELL THEM HOW MANY OF YOU KNOW HOW TO DO ALL THOSE THINGS TO
FIGURE OUT WHERE THE PROPERTY WOULD BE.
PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU CAN DO IT.
I GOT ONE HAND.
THANK YOU.
SECOND OF ALL IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE I HAVE THIS, BUT MR. FUNK
BROUGHT THIS WHEN WE HAD BREAKFAST LAST WEEK, THIS IS ALL
THE MONEY THAT HE'S GOING TO SPEND ON THE PROJECT.
HE TOLD US THAT IT WAS LIKE HE PAID LIKE 850 A SQUARE FOOT
FOR THE PROPERTY THAT HE OWNS.
HE OFFERED THE SAME.
AND THIS IS EQUIVALENT TO THAT.
THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THE MESH IS.
THAT'S WHAT HE TOLD ME.
I COULD BE LYING.
I ALREADY SENT YOU AN E-MAIL OF THE THINGS CARROLL ANN AND I
ASKED FOR.
THIS IS PAGE FOUR OF THE DOCUMENT.
I HAVE READ SOME LEGAL STUFF IN MY LIFE, BUT IT SAYS ON THIS

DOCUMENT, OWNERSHIP AND MAINTENANCE, SAYS THE CITY SHALL BE
RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OTHER MAINTENANCE, REPAIR, REPLACEMENT,
PARK IMPROVEMENTS AFTER THE FIRST YEAR.
BUT WE HEARD TODAY THAT FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS, THE DEVELOPER
IS IN CHARGE OF IT.
I WOULD RATHER THE DEVELOPER BE IN CHARGE OF IT BECAUSE
RIGHT NOW, THAT FIELD IS KNEE-DEEP.
IT'S FULL OF TRASH.
IT'S NOT TAKEN CARE OF BY THE CITY.
WHAT'S REALLY FUNNY TO ME IS THERE IS A SOLID WASTE FACILITY
ACROSS THE STREET.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD BEFORE I FORGET, I WANT THIS TO BE
CALLED CHESHIRE PARK AFTER LISA CHESHIRE, BECAUSE IF IT
HADN'T BEEN FOR HER, I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE THROWN THIS
LETTER IN THE GARBAGE BECAUSE IT SAID MARCUM STREET AND
THAT'S WHERE LISA LIVES.
LIVES RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM GADSDEN PARK.
YOU KNOW WHAT, THEN EVERYONE IN SOUTH TAMPA, SOUTH OF GANDY
WILL KNOW IT IS A PUBLIC FACILITY BECAUSE LISA CHESHIRE WAS
THE PUBLIC IN SOUTH TAMPA.
NOW, WHEN YOU ASK ABOUT THE TRAILHEAD, THIS IS WHERE THE NEW
HOTEL IS GOING TO GO -- MAYBE I SHOULD GO BACK HERE.
THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL PICTURE.
YOU GUYS SHOULD HAVE ONE OF THESE.
I'M KIND OF SURPRISED THEY DIDN'T GIVE YOU ONE.

THIS IS THE LOT THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD.
THESE ARE THE PARKING SPACES FOR THE CITY.
WELL, CARROLL ANN AND I FIGURED OUT THIS IS ABOUT 3,000
SQUARE FEET OF PARKING SPACES.
WHY DO WE NEED IT?
THERE'S A LOT OF PARKING THERE.
THE CITY KEPT INDICATING AND I DON'T KNOW, I WASN'T IN THE
MEETING, BUT THEY KIND OF INDICATED THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT A
LOT OF PEOPLE HANGING OUT THERE BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION
WITH THE AIRPLANES.
WE'VE GOT THIS GIANT CIRCLE HERE.
THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT WE ASK FOR 100%.
WE WANTED SOME GRAND TREES IN HERE.
WE WANT SOME BIG TREES IN HERE.
THAT'S WHAT THE PEOPLE WANTED TO GADSDEN PARK WALKING
TRAILS.
WE WANT THIS TRAIL TO BE NOT CONCRETE, BUT PAVEMENT BECAUSE
PAVEMENT IS EASIER ON YOUR BACK, EASIER TO MOVE ON, BETTER
FOR YOU AND ACTUALLY CHEAPER.
WE ALSO ASKED FOR SOME PERMEABLE PARKING.
BUT CARROLL ANN IS ASKING FOR THIS PART OF THE PROPERTY
RIGHT HERE, THAT CLUSTER OF TREES, THAT'S WHAT SHE'S ASKING
FOR.
THERE IS A CLUSTER RIGHT THERE.
WE DON'T KNOW THE CONDITION OF IT, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE

THAT.
11:25:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:25:09AM >> AND WE ARE PRETTY MUCH -- WE'RE OKAY WITH THIS.
WE'D LIKE TO SEE SOME SMALL CHANGES, BUT NOBODY HAD TIME TO
GO TO THE CITY ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT WAS DELIVERED TO US WAY
TOO DAMN LATE.
11:25:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:25:21AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THIS IS SOMETHING LIKE A MINIATURE AL
LOPEZ PARK WITHOUT A LOT OF THE AMENITIES.
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WHERE YOU CAN WALK AROUND.
I THINK IT IS ASPHALT.
I HAVEN'T WALKED IN THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS.
I DON'T REMEMBER WELL.
11:25:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT'S ASPHALT THERE.
11:25:49AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TRUETT, SOMEONE MENTIONED, I THINK CARROLL
ANN BENNETT'S NOTE ABOUT PERMEABLE SURFACE IN THE PARKING
LOT.
ANY COMMENTS ON THAT?
11:25:57AM >> I'LL LET BRIAN ADDRESS THE DESIGN.
I DID WANT TO ADDRESS, WHILE I'M UP, JUST TWO ISSUES THAT
STEPHANIE RAISED.
ONE ON NOTICE, THE LACK OF ADDRESS.
THE REASON WHY IS THIS PROPERTY HAS NO ADDRESS.

WE JUST DOUBLE-CHECKED THAT.
SO THE ADDRESS THAT SHE PUT ON HERS IS ACTUALLY MR. FUNK'S
PROPERTY, NOT THE CITY'S PROPERTY.
IF YOU LOOK DEEPER INTO WHAT THAT NOTICE SAID, DID SAY ON
PINEWOOD, SOUTH OF MARCUM.
CLARIFY THAT IT DOES NOT HAVE AN ADDRESS.
SECOND, ON THE MAINTENANCE QUESTION, BASICALLY WHAT IT IS,
MR. FUNK DOES HAVE THE REQUIREMENT OF ONGOING MAINTENANCE.
WHAT IT IS IS FOR THE FIRST YEAR, HE IS WARRANTING, SINCE HE
IS PUTTING IN THE SWINGING BENCHES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AT
HIS OWN EXPENSE, FIRST YEAR, BASICALLY A WARRANTY THAT HE
WOULD HAVE ON THOSE.
BUT THEN AS YOU CAN READ FROM THE SENTENCE THAT IS
UNDERLINED, AFTER THE FIRST YEAR, DEVELOPER SHALL BE
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ROUTINE LAWN, TURF WORK, AND TRASH
MAINTENANCE ON THE PARK TRACT THROUGH THE TERM OF THE
PARKING AGREEMENT.
THAT'S THROUGH THE FIRST 20 YEARS.
AND THEN IF THE CITY AND PINEWOOD OR SUCCESSOR AGREES TO AN
EXTENSION, THAT WOULD CONTINUE ON.
THE MAINTENANCE WILL BE PROVIDED BY HIM.
WITH THAT ON DESIGN, THE PERMEABLE QUESTION THAT MR. CARLSON
ASKED.
11:27:23AM >> WITH RESPECT TO MS. BENNETT'S QUESTION, THE ANSWER, WE'RE
NOT GOING TO BE DOING PERMEABLE ASPHALT.

THE REASON IS BECAUSE THE ENTIRE SITE IS EXFILTRATION.
MOST OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR, INSTEAD OF TRADITIONAL STORMWATER
BODY OF POND, PICK ALL THE WATER UP, GO THROUGH A SERIES OF
CHAMBERS BELOW THE ASPHALT.
PERMEATE AND PERCOLATE ON ITS OWN INTO THE GROUNDWATER.
SAME RESULT, DIFFERENT METHOD.
WE HEAR HER.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO US.
AS FAR AS TURNING THE WHOLE THING INTO A FOREST, I'M NOT
SPEAKING AS A DEVELOPER, SPEAKING AS SOMEBODY FROM HERE, I'M
FROM HERE TOO, THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF PLACES TO PLAY OR
THROW BALL OR DO STUFF.
IF YOU PEPPERED IT WITH TREES, IT WOULD MAKE THAT AREA
PRETTY UNUSABLE FOR KIND OF RECREATIONAL PURPOSES.
11:28:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT ABOUT THE CLUSTER OF TREES?
11:28:15AM >> SO THAT ONE IS A TOUGHER ONE.
UNFORTUNATELY, THAT IS A PRETTY BINARY RESPONSE.
THOSE TREES, RIGHT NOW IN ORDER TO BALANCE THE SITE WE HAVE
TO BRING IN ABOUT THREE FEET OF DIRT, MAYBE THREE AND A HALF
IN THAT AREA, SO NO WAY THE TREES WOULD SURVIVE WITH THE
DIRT PLACED ON IT.
THAT BEING SAID, WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE AND THEN SOME ALL
THE TREES SITEWIDE AND LIKE I SHARED A LITTLE BIT EARLIER,
EVEN THE RENDERING I SHOWED YOU FOR THE HAMPTON IS LIGHT ON
LANDSCAPING.

THAT IS A PRETTY NICE RENDERING.
THE ONE I THINK YOU COMMENTED ON.
WE DON'T LIKE TO TEAR OUT ANY TREES.
IN FACT, I HAVE A PROJECT CALLED STONE LAKE RANCH IN EAST
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
THAT IS ALMOST 700-ACRE PROJECT.
WE ONLY HAD TO TAKE OUT NINE TREES THE WHOLE PROJECT.
WHENEVER THERE WAS A CONFLICT WITH A ROAD AND TREE,
TYPICALLY THE TREE WON.
EITHER INCORPORATED IN A MEDIAN OR MOVED THE ROAD
ALTOGETHER.
THAT ENHANCES OUR VALUE, TOO.
WE LOVE TREES.
HOWEVER, UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS ONE WHERE IT'S TOO CLOSE TO
WHERE THE BUILDING WE'RE PROPOSING WILL BE.
WORRY ABOUT ORGANICS, IF IT GOT INTO THE FOUNDATION, PASSED
AWAY, WHEN YOU DO THE TREE WELLS, IT NEVER WORKS.
WE'VE ALL SEEN IT AROUND TAMPA.
THAT'S UNFORTUNATELY SOMETHING WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO
ACCOMMODATE.
LIKE I SAID, WE ADDED MORE TREES THAN THE ONES IN QUESTION
JUST SIMPLY FROM OUR CONVERSATION LAST FRIDAY, WE ALREADY
ADDED TEN MORE TREES, EIGHT OF WHICH ARE LIVE OAKS, IN ORDER
TO ACCOMMODATE MS. BENNETT'S REQUEST.
11:29:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IS THERE A WAY, IF THIS PASSES, I MEAN, I

GUESS WE'RE NOT PASSING ANYTHING BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST
PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE A WAY BETWEEN THIS FIRST PUBLIC HEARING AND THE
SECOND PUBLIC HEARING THAT YOU COULD DO AN EVENING MEETING
FOR THE RESIDENTS SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT IS COMING?
11:30:03AM >> HAPPY TO.
11:30:03AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'LL LEAVE THAT TO YOU TO ORGANIZE --
11:30:06AM >> YEAH, I WOULD BE DELIGHTED.
11:30:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MS. POYNOR AND MS. BENNETT.
11:30:12AM >> I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF UNSURE.
PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
DIDN'T KNOW THE USE OF THE LAND.
SOMETHING ULTIMATELY MY FAULT.
SHOULD HAVE EXPLAINED THAT UP FRONT.
HERE WE ARE.
I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.
11:30:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ADDITIONALLY, I THINK THAT PEOPLE, A LOT OF
THE CONCERNS CAN BE ALLAYED ONCE THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
11:30:31AM >> AGREED.
11:30:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DO APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO DO IT.
11:30:34AM >> HAPPY TO DO IT.
11:30:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
11:30:39AM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST TO ADD TO THAT.
THANK YOU IF YOU DO THAT.
I'D RECOMMEND YOU TRY TO GET TONY MULKEY OR SOMEBODY FROM

PARKS TO GO WITH YOU BECAUSE ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS IS THAT
THIS IS -- IT'S NOT REALLY A PARK NOW, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE
TURNED INTO A PARK.
I THINK THAT IS A VALUABLE THING.
I WOULD ALSO BE PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT STORMWATER.
OBVIOUSLY, THAT IS A HUGE ISSUE TODAY.
11:31:03AM >> YEAH, IT WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE CITY.
WE RESPOND TO THAT.
THEY SAID NO RETENTION.
WE ACTUALLY REDESIGNED THE EXFILTRATION, SO WE HAD INVERTED
CROWN IN THE PARKING LOT, PICK IT UP IN A PIPE AND TAKE IT
BACK OVER TO DEVELOPER PROPERTY AND ADDED MORE EXFILTRATION.
11:31:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
WE DO NOT TAKE ANY ACTION OTHER THAN CLOSE THE HEARING OR
LEAVE THE HEARING OPEN BECAUSE IT --
11:31:28AM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
JUST TO WRAP IT UP WITH THE LEGAL STAFF, AS
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK POINTED OUT, THIS IS JUST THE FIRST
PUBLIC HEARING.
THERE IS A SECOND PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 19th.
WE WILL BE SUBSTITUTING THE PLAN THAT IS ATTACHED TO YOUR
DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED TO
YOU TODAY BY THE DEVELOPER.
YOU'RE NOT ACTING ON THE RESOLUTION TODAY.
THAT IS BEING HELD UNTIL THE SECOND HEARING.

I ALSO REQUEST THAT YOU ANNOUNCE AT THIS HEARING DAY THE
DATE AND TIME OF THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING.
ALSO JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE LICENSE
AGREEMENT THAT MS. FEELEY TALKED ABOUT WILL BE COMING TO YOU
AS A SEPARATE ITEM ON THE 19th.
11:32:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DO WE HAVE TO JUST CLOSING THE PUBLIC
HEARING?
11:32:09AM >> CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
11:32:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
CLERK WILL ANNOUNCE THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING.
11:32:18AM >>THE CLERK:
SECOND PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON SEPTEMBER
19, 2024, AT 10:30 A.M. IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, 315 EAST
KENNEDY BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
11:32:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
10:30 A.M.
11:32:45AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
11:32:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'M SORRY, MA'AM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE HAVE A LOT OF DEPARTMENT HEADS HERE.
I SEE A COUPLE OF FOLKS.
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, YOU PULLED QUITE A FEW ITEMS.
DO YOU WANT TO BRING THESE UP NOW --

11:33:03AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN WE DO ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE FIRST?
I BELIEVE MR. BHIDE IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT STORMWATER.
11:33:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LET'S DO THAT BECAUSE WE'LL BREAK AT
12:00.
YES, SIR, MR. BHIDE.
11:33:14AM >>VIK BHIDE:
GOOD MORNING, CHAIR.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY.
IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT.
I THINK THE WHOLE CITY KNOWS AND EXPERIENCED THAT WE HAD
SIGNIFICANT STORMS YESTERDAY.
JUST UNPREDICTABLE BUT REALLY SEVERE RAIN EVENTS THAT HAS
BEEN THE FEATURE OF THIS YEAR.
IF YOU RECALL EARLIER THIS YEAR, WE STARTED OFF THROUGH
JUNE, I BELIEVE, WE WERE IN A DROUGHT CONDITION WITH WATER
RESTRICTIONS THROUGH JULY EVEN.
AND NOW, OF COURSE, THERE'S NO LACK OF RAIN.
WE FELT LIKE IN TODAY'S ADMINISTRATION UPDATE WE SHOULD
PROVIDE A BACKGROUND ON THIS.
I DID REACH OUT TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
THANK YOU FOR THE DISCUSSION THIS MORNING, GIVEN THAT A
MAJORITY OF THESE IMPACTS ARE IN DISTRICT 4.
HAVING SAID THAT, THERE ARE IMPACTS ELSEWHERE AS WELL, BUT I
JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY WHAT WE
EXPERIENCED YESTERDAY, HOW WE RESPOND TO THESE SITUATIONS

TYPICALLY.
WHAT OUR SYSTEMS ARE CAPABLE OF.
MORE IMPORTANTLY WHAT THEY ARE NOT CAPABLE OF.
HOW OUR ACTIVITIES ARE FUNDED AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT
GOING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE.
I'LL JUST START BY KIND OF SHOWING WHAT RAINFALL WE
EXPERIENCED YESTERDAY.
IT WAS QUITE SIGNIFICANT.
THESE ARE MEASURED WITH OUR RAIN GAUGES EITHER ON OUR
WASTEWATER OR STORMWATER PUMP STATIONS.
WE ARE WORKING ON ADDING ADDITIONAL RAIN GAUGES, MODERNIZING
THEM SO THEY CAN PUSH THE DATA ONTO OUR WEBSITE DIRECTLY AND
OTHER SENSORS AS WELL.
THESE ARE DAILY TOTALS.
AND IN SEVERAL PLACES IN A VERY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME, WITHIN
AN HOUR, WE HAD MORE THAN TWO, IN SOME CASES ALMOST THREE
INCHES OF RAIN IN ONE HOUR.
QUITE SIMPLY, OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM, MEANING OUR SYSTEM OF
PONDS, OUTFALLS, PIPES, DITCHES, AND EVEN OUR ROADWAYS THAT
CONVEY THE STORMWATER ARE NOT PREPARED TO INSTANTANEOUSLY
DRAIN THIS AMOUNT OF WATER IN THIS SHORT OF A TIME.
IT DOES TAKE TWO TO THREE HOURS FOR THIS WATER TO DRAIN, AND
THAT IS TYPICAL OF THE SYSTEM.
THAT'S HOW THEY ARE DESIGNED.
NOW, THERE ARE SOME AREAS WITHIN THE CITY WHERE WE HAVE

UPGRADED WITH THE IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT.
I'LL TOUCH ON THAT, AND THEY PERFORM A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
BUT WHEN HE EXPERIENCE THESE SORT OF EVENTS, I THINK THE
BIGGEST MESSAGE TO THE COMMUNITY IS HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF
PATIENCE, PREPARING FOR ALTERNATIVES, NOT DRIVING THROUGH
THOSE FLOODED AREAS, AND JUST RECOGNIZING THAT FOR THE MOST
PART WITHIN TWO, TWO AND A HALF HOURS, THE WATER WILL DRAIN
IN MOST AREAS.
SOME AREAS ARE WORSE THAN THE OTHERS.
A LOT OF THEM ARE IN DISTRICT FOUR, BUT I'LL JUST PROVIDE
SOME EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THE CHALLENGES.
BUT BEFORE I DO THAT, PLEASE NOTE THAT THE YEARLY TOTALS AS
MEASURED BY THESE RAIN GAUGES ARE QUITE SIGNIFICANT IN THIS
SMALL SAMPLING.
WE HAVE ADDITIONAL RAIN GAUGES AS WELL.
FLORIDA, OR PARTICULARLY TAMPA BAY'S ANNUAL RAINFALL AVERAGE
MEAN IS ABOUT 52 TO 54 INCHES.
YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE STILL EARLY SEPTEMBER AND MOST OF
THESE ARE ABOVE THAT MARK ALREADY.
AND COMPARE THAT TO LAST YEAR'S TOTAL FOR THE SAME TIME
PERIOD, FROM JANUARY TO SEPTEMBER, AND YOU WILL SEE THAT WE
HAVE ALREADY, IN SPITE OF UNTIL JULY BEING IN A DROUGHT,
EXCEEDED THOSE AMOUNTS BY SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGES, BETWEEN
LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR.
NOW, LAST YEAR WAS ALSO A DROUGHT CONDITION.

SO THAT'S NOT ENTIRELY SURPRISING.
THIS IS A SMALLER SUBSET OF DATA, BUT THIS IS REALLY TO
DEMONSTRATE THAT WE'VE HAD MUCH, MUCH HIGHER RAIN IN A VERY
SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME, AND THAT WILL DO THINGS LIKE THIS TO
OUR SYSTEMS.
THIS IS AT 7th AVENUE IN HISTORIC YBOR CITY.
THIS WAS THE CONDITION I BELIEVE AROUND 6 P.M., IF I'M NOT
MISTAKEN, AND IT DRAINED IN JUST OVER AN HOUR.
SO THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS -- HERE ARE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES
THAT WE ALSO SEE WHEN OUR CREWS RESPOND.
THIS IS NEAR HIMES AND MORRISON.
AND WHAT OUR TEAM DOES IS GOES OUT AND THERE ARE TRUCKS THAT
VACUUM THINGS OUT IN CASE THERE'S DEBRIS AND THINGS LIKE
THAT.
THAT THERE IS AN ENGINE COVER.
A WHOLE ENGINE COVER MADE IT THROUGH THE INLET AND BLOCKED
THE ENTIRE INLET.
THAT'S NOT THE ONLY THING THAT BLOCKS THE INLET, OUR WORK
ZONES, AND THAT IS A BEST PRACTICE REQUIRE THAT WE USE
FILTRATION OR FILTER MATERIAL OR SOCKS TO BLOCK THE INLETS.
AS LONG AS IT IS AN ACTIVE WORK ZONE, THAT IS A REQUIREMENT
AND THE BEST PRACTICE TO MAINTAIN WATER QUALITY.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WITH CONSTRUCTION IN THE
SUMMER, BUT ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY AS WE HAVE LESSER TRAFFIC
IN THE SUMMER AND HENCE YOU SEE A LITTLE MORE CONSTRUCTION.

NOW MOVING TO HOW WE RESPOND WHEN WE HAVE SIMILAR
SITUATIONS.
ALL OF OUR RESPONSE AND ALL OF OUR MAINTENANCE, SO PROACTIVE
MAINTENANCE, BE IT MOWING, BE IT HYDROSEEDING, BE IT
CLEANING OUT AND DREDGING PONDS ARE PAID FOR BY THE
STORMWATER SERVICE ASSESSMENT.
THAT'S ONE OF THE TWO ASSESSMENTS THAT MOST PEOPLE FORTUNATE
ENOUGH TO PAY PROPERTY TAXES PAY ON THEIR PROPERTY TAX BILL.
THAT INCLUDES OUR RESPONSE TEAMS.
LAST NIGHT, OUR LEAD WAS RICHIE GRAZE.
VERY EXPERIENCED.
33 YEARS WITH THE CITY.
HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING.
WHEN I REACHED OUT TO HIM, HE SAID, VIK, I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS
KIND OF AN IMPACT CITYWIDE IN MANY, MANY YEARS.
SO THAT IS JUST ANECDOTAL BUT THIS IS ONE OF OUR MOST
EXPERIENCED FOLKS.
WE HAD NINE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES RESPONDING YESTERDAY WITH
VARIOUS EQUIPMENT THAT INCLUDES VACUUM TRUCKS, THAT INCLUDE
FLAT BEDS TO PICK UP DEBRIS AND HAUL DEBRIS.
PICKUP TRUCKS THAT ARE INSPECTING BUT ALSO RESPONDING TO
SMALLER CALLS.
THIS SHIFT WAS FROM 3:30 P.M. TO MIDNIGHT.
TYPICALLY, THIS WORK IS EMERGENCY RESPONSE WORK BECAUSE WE
DON'T HAVE A THIRD SHIFT.

I MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE THE TEAM IS ALREADY WORKING ON AN
EXTRA SHIFT.
WE WILL ACTIVATE THE SHIFT.
IT TAKES A COUPLE OF WEEKS TO FIND FIRST VOLUNTEERS,
OTHERWISE THEY ARE VOLUNTOLD, DEPENDS ON THEIR SENIORITY,
ROSTER, AND ALL OF THAT, BUT THAT WILL BE ACTIVATED
SEPTEMBER 23rd OF THIS YEAR AND GOING FORWARD THROUGH
SUMMER MONTHS, WE WILL HAVE THIS THIRD SHIFT.
WHETHER WE HAVE IT PERMANENTLY OR NOT IS A FUNCTION OF HOW
WE CAN DISTRIBUTE THE WORKLOAD THAT WE HAVE, WHETHER IT WILL
BE ANNUAL OR NOT.
ONE OF THE MAJOR CONSIDERATIONS THERE IS SOME OF THE HEAVY
EQUIPMENT.
IT'S A BEST PRACTICE NOT TO OPERATE IT AT NIGHT UNLESS YOU
HAVE INDUSTRIAL LIGHTING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THAT IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON GOING FORWARD.
BUT, AGAIN, FOR TONIGHT AND OTHER EVENTS, WE WILL STILL HAVE
THAT THIRD SHIFT.
IT WILL JUST BE EMERGENCY ROSTERS.
LAST NIGHT, OUR STORMWATER TEAM CREATED 32 WORK ORDERS.
THERE ARE VARIOUS WAYS IN WHICH THESE WORK ORDERS COME IN.
SOME COME IN THROUGH OUR CALL CENTER.
I WILL SHARE THAT NUMBER.
OTHERS COME IN THROUGH DIRECT REPORTS, AND THEN WE ALSO GET
TPD, AND THEN WE KNOW HOT SPOTS AND WE HAVE FOLKS DRIVING

AROUND.
TYPICAL WORK -- I'M SORRY THAT THIS IS KIND OF FINE PRINT,
BUT TYPICAL WORK IS EITHER STORMWATER GRAVITY MAIN
MAINTENANCE.
GRAVITY PIPES AND THAT'S WHERE YOU EITHER SUCK THINGS OUT OF
THEM OR CLEAN THEM OUT.
CURB AND GUTTER REPAIRS, AND THESE ARE EMERGENCY CURB AND
GUTTER.
THESE AREN'T LIKE ACROSS THE BOARD.
AND A LOT OF INLET MAINTENANCE.
SO INLET MAINTENANCE PRIMARILY BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THE WATER
GETS IN FROM THE ROADWAYS INTO THE SYSTEM, THAT'S USUALLY
WHERE WE FIND BLOCKAGES.
THERE ARE AREAS WHERE WE KNOW THAT KIND OF RAIN IS JUST
GOING TO KEEP WATER FOR A LITTLE BIT.
SO UNLESS THERE IS AN EMERGENCY, WE PRIORITIZE BASED ON
EFFICACY AND THREAT PROFILE.
OTHER WAYS THAT WE GET INFORMATION ABOUT OUR SYSTEMS, OUR
SCADA SYSTEM, WHICH IS SHARED WITH WASTEWATER, GIVES US
STATUS ON OUR PUMPS, PUMP STATIONS AND STORMWATER PUMPS AND
THINGS LIKE THAT.
FLOW RATES, WHAT KIND OF FLOWS ARE GOING.
IN CERTAIN CASES WE HAVE CAMERAS, SO WE ARE MONITORING
DITCHES TO SEE HOW FAST THE DITCH GOES UP.
IF THE DITCH IS FULL, THAT MEANS THE SYSTEM IS INUNDATED

ALREADY.
IF THERE'S FLOODING OUT THERE, THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH WE
CAN DO IN THAT MOMENT.
BUT, AGAIN, THIS IS FOR THE COMMUNITY'S UNDERSTANDING.
AND THEN ALSO TO UNDERSTAND HOW OUR EQUIPMENT IS WORKING AND
HOW OUR BACKUP GENERATORS ARE WORKING, BECAUSE OFTENTIMES
THROUGH STORMS WE MAY LOSE POWER AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
THE PUMP STATIONS ARE STILL WORKING, PRECISELY WHEN WE NEED
THEM.
MUCH OF THESE MEANS AND METHODS ARE AUDITED ON A REGULAR
BASIS AS PART OF OUR MS 4 PERMIT.
THAT IS A -- SEPARATED STORM SEWER SYSTEM.
WE JUST WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS WITH DEP RECENTLY.
IN FACT, I THINK EARLIER -- LATE LAST MONTH, RATHER.
AND THEN THE CITY, OF COURSE, IS IN THE ONLY AREA THAT
EXPERIENCED THIS KIND OF IMPACT.
ST. PETE WAS PRETTY MUCH AT A STAND-STILL.
AIRPORT REPORTED SIGNIFICANT RAINS AND ALL OF THAT ALSO.
THE BEST NUMBER TO CALL WHEN THESE SORT OF EVENTS HAPPEN,
AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE WE DO GET A LOT OF E-MAILS, A LOT OF
OUR TEAM MEMBERS DO AND SOMETIMES AT 10 P.M., 9 P.M., AND WE
ALL HAVE HEAVY WORKLOADS.
SO WE DO HAVE MEASURES IN PLACE.
AND THE BEST NUMBER TO CALL IS 813-274-3101.
THIS IS A CALL CENTER SERVICE, BUT IT IS FLEXIBLE, MEANING

WE CAN INCREASE CAPACITY AS NEEDED.
AND IT WORKS WELL.
THAT CALL CENTER SERVICE OVERNIGHT IS ALSO DISPATCHING WORK
TO OUR TEAM.
AND USUALLY -- AND THIS IS LIKE EIGHT PAGES -- TYPICALLY GET
A DAILY REPORT WHICH IS ABOUT ONE PAGE.
WE GOT 50 CALLS LAST NIGHT THROUGH THIS.
AGAIN, SORRY ABOUT THE FONT SIZE HERE, BUT WE HAVE
EVERYTHING -- WE CATEGORIZED THEM FROM ROUTINE VERSUS
EMERGENCY AND THAT'S HOW WE PRIORITIZE.
IT GOES TO OUR STORMWATER LEAD AND THE COMPLAINT IS RESIDENT
CALLED IN AGAIN AND THEY CANNOT GET INTO THEIR HOME BECAUSE
OF FLOODING.
I'M SORRY.
I'LL BLOCK OUT THE ADDRESS THERE AND NUMBER.
THESE ARE THE KIND OF CALLS WE GET ON THE SERVICE THAT IS
THE NUMBER TO CALL AND WE WILL RESPOND.
WE'RE WORKING THROUGH MOST OF THESE WORK ORDERS RIGHT NOW.
REAL QUICK LOOK INTO CAPITAL VERSUS OPERATING.
I ALREADY MENTIONED OPERATING IS PAGE 4 -- PAID FOR BY OUR
SERVICE ASSESSMENT.
OUR ONGOING MAJOR STORMWATER PROJECTS AND THE PROGRAM IS
PAID FOR BY THE IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT.
THIS IS THE OTHER PART OF THE BILL IN OUR PROPERTY TAX BILL
ITSELF.

AND THAT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE LOWER PENINSULA, CYPRESS, AND
ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT SHOW UP IN YOUR QUARTERLY REPORT,
AS DOES HOW WE'RE DOING WITH MAINTENANCE BECAUSE THAT TELLS
YOU HOW MUCH DEBRIS AND ALL THAT.
ON A QUARTERLY BASIS, YOU HAVE VERY DETAILED AND UP-TO-DATE
INFORMATION ON THAT, BUT I DO WANT TO LOOK INTO THE FUTURE,
COUNCIL APPROVED THE INITIATION OF A WATERSHED MANAGEMENT
PLAN THAT WE'VE ALREADY SELECTED CONSULTANTS FOR AND ARE IN
THE WORKS OF ROLLING OUT.
WHAT THIS WILL DO IS WITH THE LATEST AVAILABLE SEA LEVEL
RISE DATA AND OTHER DATA, IT WILL MODEL OR UPDATE MODELS FOR
WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE MODELS EVERY SINGLE BASIN WITHIN THE
CITY OF TAMPA.
AND IT WILL INFORM THE NEXT ITERATION OF PROJECTS, BOTH IN
TERMS OF CAPACITY AS WELL AS LOCATION AND PRIORITY AND DOES
VALUE ENGINEERING AS WELL.
WHAT GIVES YOU THE BIGGEST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK IN ENGINEERING
TERMS.
I MENTION THIS BECAUSE OUR FINAL BOND ISSUANCE FOR THE
CURRENT STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS WAS ISSUED I BELIEVE
LAST YEAR.
SO THERE IS NO MORE BOND ISSUANCE.
AND THAT PROGRAM, WHICH STARTED OFF AS BEING $250 MILLION
PROGRAM, AND I KNOW COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU WERE VERY
INVOLVED IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH JEAN AND BRAD AT THE

TIME, BECAME A $400 MILLION PROGRAM, PARTLY BECAUSE THE
ASSESSMENT ITSELF DID INCREASE A LITTLE BIT BUT WE WERE
ALSO, THE TEAM WAS ABLE TO BRING IN SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF
GRANTS TO THE TUNE OF $110 MILLION.
BUT THAT'S WRAPPING UP.
OUR MAJOR PROJECTS WILL BE DONE IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS.
BY THEN WE WILL HAVE A WATERSHED MANAGEMENT PLAN.
OUR HOPE IS THAT WE WILL HAVE A BETTER CRS, COMMUNITY RATING
SYSTEM, RATING ITSELF TO WHERE MOST PROPERTY OWNERS IN TAMPA
WILL SEE LOWER FLOOD INSURANCE RATES BECAUSE OF THAT, BUT IT
WILL ALSO HAVE -- IT WILL ALSO HAVE A CONSIDERATION OF WHAT
WE DO WITH OUR ASSESSMENT.
DO WE INCREASE IT?
DO WE EXTEND IT?
DO WE MODIFY IT BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN CONCERNS ABOUT MAYBE
THE ASSESSMENT STRUCTURE ITSELF, BUT THAT DOES NEED TO BE
LOOKED INTO.
AND THAT IS PRIMARILY BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM NOAA
AND OTHER SOURCES, WHICH IS HISTORICAL MODELING TECHNIQUES
LOOK BACK A HUNDRED YEARS AND EXTENDED THOSE LINES INTO THE
FUTURE TO SEE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
BUT AT THE RATE THINGS ARE SHIFTING IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS,
THAT WAY OF MODELING DATA IS NOT WORKING.
THERE ARE NEWER MEANS THAT I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT, BUT WHAT
WE'RE HEARING IS THAT IS GOING TO UPDATE FUTURE SCENARIOS

AND THAT IS GOING TO MEAN MORE DOLLARS NEEDED, BOTH FOR
GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE AND CONCRETE BASED SYSTEMS.
OUR COMMUNITY WILL HAVE TO GRAPPLE WITH THAT.
AND THEN THE OTHER REALITY IS, IN THE MEANTIME, THE SYSTEMS
THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE THAT ARE NOT SUFFICIENT ARE NOT GOING
TO GET IMPROVED ANY TIME SOON.
THAT'S WHERE COMMUNITY'S PATIENCE IS NEEDED.
THAT IS WHERE WE NEED TO ALL WORK AS A COMMUNITY BECAUSE
IT'S GOING TO BE MANY YEARS -- YOU SEE HOW LONG THESE
PROJECTS TAKE TO BUILD, AND WE'RE RIGHT NOW IN THE PLANNING
STAGES SO THAT WE CAN ORGANIZE FINANCING FOR THE NEXT
ITERATION OF ALL OF OUR SYSTEMS.
AND THEN JUST A QUICK PLUG, MUCH OF THE THINGS WHEN WE
RESPOND, OUR CREWS RESPOND AFTER THESE STORMS, IS YARD WASTE
IN OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM.
SOME OF THAT YARD WASTE IS FROM THE WIND AND THE RAIN.
MUCH OF THAT YARD WASTE IS EITHER FROM YARDS THAT ARE
DISCARDED BY LANDSCAPING FOLKS OR HOMEOWNERS THEMSELVES.
WE MUST PAY ATTENTION TO THIS.
OUR TEAM IS PUTTING OUT I THINK SOME MEDIA EFFORT TO CREATE
MORE AWARENESS ON THIS ISSUE, AND THEN LASTLY I WILL JUST
SAY THAT OUR FIRST OR OUR IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM THAT WE'RE IN
THE PROCESS OF WRAPPING UP RIGHT NOW, AS I MENTIONED, IS
ABOUT $400 MILLION.
OUR PIPES PROGRAM IS THREE TO FOUR BILLION DOLLARS.

I JUST WANT TO MANAGE THE COMMUNITY AND COUNCIL'S
EXPECTATION AROUND THE SCALE OF THE COST WE'RE LOOKING AT IN
THE FUTURE IF WE TRULY WANT TO ADDRESS OUR STORMWATER
CHALLENGES.
I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT UNLESS THERE ARE QUESTIONS.
11:51:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THAT WAS A THOROUGH AND LOGICAL REPORT AND I APPRECIATE IT
VERY MUCH.
I'M NOT YELLING AT ANYBODY, BUT I WANT TO AIR MY
FRUSTRATIONS.
THIS IS HOW I FEEL IN WHAT I'VE SEEN IN THE LAST 48 HOURS.
THIS IS ALMOST AS BAD AS WHAT WE SAW IN 2016.
BECAUSE 2016, BEFORE THE STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS, REMEMBER A
CAR ON FIRE, KENNEDY BOULEVARD, HENDERSON AND DALE MABRY, WE
DIDN'T SEE THAT TO THAT LEVEL IN THESE LAST FEW DAYS.
I CAME DOWNTOWN RIGHT AROUND 4:30 YESTERDAY.
AND I WENT INTO TAMPA HEIGHTS.
LEFT TAMPA HEIGHTS AT 7 BECAUSE THE STORM WAS COMING IN, I
JUST COULDN'T GO ANYWHERE AND I LIVE IN WEST TAMPA OVER BY
RAYMOND JAMES STADIUM, ST. JOSEPH'S HOSPITAL.
I COULDN'T MANAGE TO -- I KNOW THE CITY -- NOT BLINDFOLDED
BUT I CAN GET AROUND.
I KNOW THE SHORTCUTS.
I COULDN'T GET UP COLUMBUS DRIVE TO HOWARD AVENUE, IT WAS
BACKED UP.

I THOUGHT THERE MUST BE AN ACCIDENT.
MUST BE A FIRE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT.
I SAID LET ME CUT THROUGH THE WEST TAMPA NEIGHBORHOODS.
I WENT THROUGH A VARIETY OF RESIDENTIAL STREETS BETWEEN
ARMENIA AND MacDILL.
I'M IN MY DAD'S HYUNDAI.
I'M DRIVING MY DAD'S CAR TODAY WHICH IS A LOW CAR.
I THOUGHT IT WOULD FLOOD OUT.
MY FATHER, HE COMES HOME TOMORROW NIGHT, I'LL HAVE TO TELL
HIM I DESTROYED HIS CAR BECAUSE OF FLOODWATERS.
LUCKILY I DIDN'T.
THE STREETS ARE NARROW.
DITCHES ARE FULL.
A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE CLOSED THOSE DITCHES ILLEGALLY WITHOUT
PERMISSION THAT HAS EXASPERATED THE PROBLEMS.
I FINALLY MANAGED TO GET HOME BY COLUMBUS.
LET ME TAKE HIMES.
CARS FLOODED ON COLUMBUS AND HIMES.
GET TO DALE MABRY, BACKED UP TO BEYOND HILLSBOROUGH.
I FINALLY GOT TO MLK, GOT TO HABANA AND GOT HOME.
CALLED MY WIFE, I'LL PULL OVER IN THE ASHLEY FURNITURE
PARKING LOT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GO.
LUCKILY I GOT HOME.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CARS, BECAUSE I DIDN'T COUNT THEM ALL,

WERE FLOODED OUT WITH THE HOOD UP.
WHAT DO I DO?
WHO DO I CALL?
WHO CAN I YELL AT?
I DON'T WANT TO YELL AT ANYBODY.
I CALLED THE CHIEF OF STAFF.
VERY CALMLY, WE DIDN'T YELL.
HE GOES, YEAH.
YOU KNOW HOW HE'S VERY CALM.
HE GOES, WE CAN'T EVEN GET THROUGH TO TPD.
IT WAS OVERWHELMING.
I'VE BEEN UP SINCE 2:30.
I'VE BEEN UP SINCE 4:00, BUT UP UNTIL 2:30 LAST NIGHT
ESSENTIALLY GETTING YELLED AT BECAUSE PEOPLE DO COME TO US
AS A COUNCIL WITH THEIR FRUSTRATIONS.
TAG THE CITY COUNCIL.
WHO IS YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER, TAG THE MAYOR, TAG THE MEDIA.
MEDIA KNOWS ABOUT IT.
IT WASN'T JUST FLOODING HERE, ALL OVER THE PLACE.
HANLEY ROAD.
ST. PETE.
HIGH TIDE.
YOU HAD THE RIVER.
PEOPLE THAT LIVED ON THE RIVER SAID I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS.
GOING BACK TO SOME OF THE STREETS THAT I SAW, I GET A LOT OF

COMPLAINTS FROM SPECIFICALLY PALMETTO, MacFARLANE PARK.
THERE IS AN EMPTY LOT.
DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A STORMWATER POND, FILLED IN YEARS AGO.
DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY.
I HEARD SOMEBODY DROWNED THERE AND THAT'S WHY THEY FILLED IT
IN.
EVERY TIME IT RAINS, NOT EVEN LIKE THIS THE FLOODING IS
TERRIBLE.
THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED.
PEOPLE CALL THIS A PART-TIME JOB.
I THINK TO BE ON CALL ALL THE TIME, 8 A.M. MONDAY MORNING.
I KNOW IT'S A HOLIDAY WEEKEND AND I KNOW THAT IT'S SATURDAY,
BUT -- I'M HAVING COFFEE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN.
DROP EVERYTHING TO GO OVER BECAUSE THE STREET IS FLOODED.
BECAUSE SOMEONE IS BUILDING AN ILLEGAL DRIVEWAY THAT IS
ADDING TO THE DITCH ENCLOSURE AND EVERYTHING.
THE FRUSTRATION OF PEOPLE.
SUNDAY MORNING, SAME THING.
HEY, DEBRIS EVERYWHERE.
I KNOW IT'S A HOLIDAY WEEKEND.
SO I SHOW UP.
I TRY TO HANDLE THESE THINGS.
THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE.
PALMETTO STREET IS ONE I HEAR ABOUT EVERY SINGLE DAY.
I THINK TEN MINUTES AGO, NOTIFICATION, I CAN'T BELIEVE THE

CITY OF TAMPA ALLOWS THIS.
I KNOW THERE IS A WORK ORDER IN THERE.
WHAT I SAW YESTERDAY IS AWFUL.
I TALKED TO SOMEBODY EARLIER THIS MORNING AROUND 6:30, GOES,
WELL, TOKYO IS DOING STUFF.
MIAMI IS DOING STUFF.
RAISE THE HEIGHT OF THE STREETS.
I GO, THIS IS FLORIDA.
THIS IS A PENINSULA.
WE WEREN'T MEANT TO DEVELOP THESE AREAS LIKE IT IS.
MY WIFE IS FROM WEST VIRGINIA FROM THE HILLS.
WE DEAL WITH SNOW.
WE HAVE WATER HERE.
WE'RE SURROUNDED BY WATER.
WE HAVE HIGH TIDE.
WE HAVE RAINS.
I SAW IN THE LAST 48 HOURS A RECORD FROM 1985 WAS BROKEN
FROM I BELIEVE SIX TO SEVEN P.M. THE AMOUNT OF RAINFALL THAT
HAS FALLEN.
WE MADE SIGNIFICANT STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ASSESSMENT IN 2016.
I GOT TO ENJOY BEING BERATED ON THAT BECAUSE I SUPPORTED IT.
I REMEMBER WHEN THE MAYOR WENT ON TV AND SAID CALL YOUR CITY
COUNCIL AND HE READ OFF MY NUMBER.
NOT THE CITY COUNCIL GENERAL LINE, TO SUPPORT THIS.

I'VE SEEN DIFFERENCES IN THE SYSTEM.
WHAT WE'VE SEEN, IT WAS OVERWHELMED.
FROM TALKING TO HYDROLOGISTS, SCIENTISTS, AND ENGINEERS,
THEY SAY NO SYSTEM WE KNOW OF CAN HANDLE WHEN YOU HAVE A
MASSIVE AMOUNT OF WATER.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU HAVE STATED VERY SPECIFICALLY WE
ARE MAKING THESE INVESTMENTS.
PLEASE HAVE PATIENCE.
SOME PEOPLE HAVE RUN OUT OF PATIENCE, ESPECIALLY SOME OF THE
PLACES THAT I MENTIONED.
THEY WANT RELIEF.
THEY WANT HELP.
BUT IN THIS SITUATION, I FELT HELPLESS BECAUSE IT'S LIKE
WHAT CAN WE DO?
WHEN EVERY MANAGEABLE, PASSIBLE ROAD WAS UNDERWATER BECAUSE
YOU THINK IT'S JUST SOUTH TAMPA, IT WAS ALL OF WEST TAMPA.
IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE.
IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE.
JUST AN AIRING OF GRIEVANCES AND FRUSTRATIONS ON MY PART.
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, CARLSON, MIRANDA, IN THAT ORDER,
HAD THE MICROPHONES ON.
11:56:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A LOT OF WHAT HAS BEEN SAID NEEDED TO BE
SAID.
I THINK EVERYBODY HERE INCLUDING CITY STAFF IS WELL AWARE OF
WHAT OUR PROBLEMS ARE AND ALSO WELL AWARE THAT WE DON'T HAVE

A SOLUTION TO FIVE INCHES OF RAIN IN AN AREA THAT'S LIVING
JUST INCHES ABOVE SEA LEVEL, ALMOST AN IMPOSSIBILITY.
WE HAD HIGH TIDE AROUND THE SAME TIME WHICH FOR DISTRICT 4
SPECIFICALLY IS VERY PROBLEMATIC FOR US.
I LIVE RIGHT THERE IN THE HEART OF THIS AND WATCHING THE
RIVER FLOW DOWN THE STREAM AND WATCHING BAYSHORE FILL IT UP.
IT WAS A PROBLEM.
WE CAN'T AS COUNCIL JUST BRUSH THIS OFF BECAUSE WHILE WE
CAN'T -- YOU CAN'T BUILD ENOUGH CULVERTS.
YOU CAN'T BUILD ENOUGH STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE TO DEAL
WITH WHAT WE SAW YESTERDAY, BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO IS SMART
DEVELOPMENT.
FOR DECADES, WE HAVE DONE THINGS SPECIFICALLY IN SOME OF
THESE URBAN AREAS WHERE WE HAVE DIVIDED LOTS.
WE'VE PUT TOO MUCH ON TOO LITTLE.
SAME THING I'VE BEEN PREACHING SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE AND I'VE
SEEN THIS COUNCIL DO IT.
DIVIDE LOTS AND APPROVE THESE THINGS WHERE WE ARE PUTTING
TOO MUCH ON TOO LITTLE.
MOTHER NATURE KICKS BACK.
YESTERDAY, MOTHER NATURE KICKED BACK.
WASN'T ENOUGH PERCOLATION INTO THE GROUND AND YOU PAVE OVER
THESE PLACES AND THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
WE CAN STILL DEVELOP.
LOTS OF AREAS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT WE CAN DEVELOP.

WE CAN DEVELOP ALONG TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS.
WE CAN DEVELOP TRANSPORTING STORMWATER OFF OF VERY SPECIFIC
CORRIDORS AND GETTING THAT WATER FROM WHERE IT IS TO WHERE
IT NEEDS TO BE.
BUT YOU CAN'T DO IT IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD AND EVERY CITY
ACROSS THE ENTIRE AREA.
SO WE HAVE TO BE SMARTER AS WE DEVELOP THE CITY OF TAMPA
BECAUSE, GUESS WHAT, THAT BAY IS NOT GETTING ANY LOWER.
IT IS GETTING HIGHER BY THE MOMENT.
AS VIK APPROPRIATELY SAID, IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, WE'RE
EXCEEDING PREDICTIONS THAT WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN FOR
20, 30, 40, 50 YEARS FROM NOW.
WE'RE EXPERIENCING SEA LEVEL RISE.
EXPERIENCING WATER TABLE RISE.
YOU'RE RIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER WAS
COMING OUT.
ALL OF OUR NATURAL LAKES AND PONDS REACHED THEIR BANKS.
THESE ARE ACTS THAT ARE WELL BEYOND THE CAPABILITIES OF NOT
JUST THE CITY OF TAMPA BUT JUST -- WE HAVE TO DO A BETTER
JOB ON COUNCIL AS WE DEVELOP THE CITY ON WHERE WE PUT OUR
INFRASTRUCTURE, WHERE WE PUT OUR DENSITY, AND HOW WE'RE ABLE
TO HANDLE WHAT IS SURELY COMING.
WE LIVE IN PARADISE.
WE LIVE WITH BEAUTIFUL WATER, BUT THAT WATER IS SOMETHING
THAT IS -- WE'RE NOT GOING TO HOLD IT BACK.

WE'VE GOT TO BE BETTER ABOUT IT.
11:59:47AM >>VIK BHIDE:
COUNCILMAN, CAN I COMMENT ON ONE THING YOU SAID
BECAUSE YOU ARE SPOT ON?
THERE ARE STRONG HEADWINDS, BUT IT'S NOT ALL GLOOM AND DOOM.
WE COULD FOCUS AND WE NEED TO FOCUS DENSITY IN LIGHT OF
HOUSING CHALLENGES IN AREAS THAT ARE MORE CONDUCIVE AND
FURTHER AWAY FROM OUR COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREAS.
THAT'S WHERE COUNCIL REALLY COMES IN, BECAUSE IT IS THIS
BODY THAT HAS THAT RESPONSIBILITY.
12:00:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND MIRANDA.
12:00:18PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD SAY THIS COUNCIL AND LAST COUNCIL
I'VE BEEN ON FIVE YEARS OR SO, WE'VE LISTENED VERY CLOSELY
TO THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY THE SOUTH TAMPA COMMUNITY,
ABOUT OVERDEVELOPMENT.
BEFORE I GOT ON COUNCIL, THERE WERE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF
UNITS APPROVED JUST SOUTH OF GANDY.
IT OVERWHELMED THE INFRASTRUCTURE ALREADY.
OUR INFRASTRUCTURE WAS OVERTAXED.
MOST OF THOSE HAVE BEEN BUILT IN JUST THE LAST FEW YEARS.
WE, FOLLOWING THE LAW, THE COUNCIL IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS
HAS TRIED TO BE REALLY CAREFUL.
THERE ARE CERTAIN LEGAL RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT WE CAN DO, BUT
WE'RE PUSHING TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
AREA AND PUSHING TO DEVELOP IN AREAS ABOVE GRAND, PUSHING
FOR BETTER PLANNING NOT ONLY SOUTH OF GANDY BUT THROUGHOUT

THE CITY AND TO INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENT AREAS WHERE PEOPLE
CAN EVACUATE AND WHERE THERE'S NOT THE RISK OF FLOODING.
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, MR. BHIDE, FOR YOUR PROACTIVE
STANCE TOWARD GETTING THIS INFORMATION OUT, FOR DOING THIS
TODAY.
IT'S NOT EASY TO BE ON THE FRONT LINE.
WE'RE GETTING CALLS AND COMPLAINTS, YOU AND YOUR STAFF ARE
GETTING THOSE EVERY DAY.
I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING OUT THERE.
WE ALL WISH THERE WAS MORE, BUT I KNOW THAT YOU'RE ANSWERING
OUR CALLS AND E-MAILS AND ANSWERING CONSTITUENT CALLS AND
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
ALSO, YOU MENTIONED A TELEPHONE NUMBER, NOT EVERYBODY WANTS
TO USE A TELEPHONE NUMBER THESE DAYS.
IS THERE A WEBSITE OR E-MAIL ADDRESS THAT THEY CAN GO TO?
12:01:46PM >>VIK BHIDE:
WE HAVE A FLOOD MAP AS WELL THAT PEOPLE CAN
REPORT ON.
BUT, UNFORTUNATELY, THE MOST EMERGENT TIMES ARE WHEN PEOPLE
ARE STUCK, AS CHAIR MANISCALCO SAID.
CALLING IN IS THE BEST WAY.
BUT WE'RE CONSTANTLY WORKING -- SO, FOR EXAMPLE, OUR
COMMUNICATIONS TEAM IS WORKING KIND OF SCOURING SOCIAL MEDIA
AND IF THERE ARE PEOPLE REPORTING THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA, THAT
WILL COME TO US.
12:02:15PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT I RECOMMEND BEFORE I RUN OUT OF TIME

BECAUSE WE COULD HAVE A LONG CONVERSATION, I RECOMMEND THAT
WE PUT TOGETHER A COMMUNITY PACKAGE THAT'S SIMILAR TO
DEALING WITH HURRICANES.
WE HAVE A WHOLE PACKAGE AND A TIMELINE WHEN A HURRICANE IS
COMING.
THERE ARE WARNINGS, SANDBAGS, PREPARE, BUY YOUR -- WHEN WE
SEE THAT WE DON'T ALWAYS KNOW, BUT WHEN WE SEE BIG STORMS
ARE COMING, SOME OF THE LITTLE WAVES HITTING US ARE HARDER
THAN A HURRICANE HITS US.
AS WE SEE THAT COMING IN, OUGHT TO HIT WITH A PACKAGE.
I THINK IT SHOULD INCLUDE TEXT MESSAGING.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO STOP ALL THE STREET FLOODING
IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS.
ONE WAY TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM HAVING THEIR CARS FLOODED,
AND I HAD THAT HAPPEN A FEW YEARS AGO IN ANOTHER CITY AND
IT'S HORRIBLE.
RUINED MY ENTIRE CAR.
BUT TO STOP THAT, WE SHOULD TEXT PEOPLE AND PUT OUT ALERTS,
E-MAIL AND SOCIAL MEDIA, PROACTIVELY SAY DON'T DRIVE FOR THE
NEXT COUPLE OF HOURS.
PLEASE HELP US TO BE PATIENT.
WE'RE WORKING ON THE SOLUTION, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE'VE
BEEN INUNDATED.
PUSH IT TO THE COMMUNITY AND IT NEEDS TO HAVE A FEEDBACK
MECHANISM.

THERE SHOULD BE AN E-MAIL ADDRESS INCLUDED IN THERE, MAYBE A
SPECIAL TWITTER ACCOUNT LIKE WE HAVE FOR ALERT TAMPA AND ALL
THE OTHER THINGS SO THAT PEOPLE CAN EASILY COMMUNICATE.
YOUR LIST MIGHT HAVE BEEN 20 PAGES HAD WE HAD THAT.
THE OTHER THING IS, IN TERMS OF DRAINAGE, ABOUT FOUR, FIVE
YEARS AGO, WE STRENGTHENED THE RULES AROUND USING LEAF
BLOWERS AND DOUBLED THE FINES.
I WISH WE COULD DOUBLE THEM AGAIN BECAUSE I SEE PEOPLE
BLOWING LEAFS IN THE STREET ALL THE TIME.
IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T LIKE THE NOISE OR CLUTTER, IT'S
FILLING UP THE DRAINS.
MORE AND MORE PEOPLE KNOW THAT.
SPENT ONE YEAR, $2.5 MILLION JUST CLEANING DRAINS.
IT'S NOT FAIR THAT WE'RE SUBSIDIZING PEOPLE TO BLOW THEIR
STUFF INTO THE STREET.
AT THE SAME TIME, SORRY THE COMMUNITY HAS SAID THAT THE
CITY'S LANDSCAPING PEOPLE WERE DOING THAT.
WHOEVER IS IN CHARGE OF THAT, PLEASE TAKE NOTE AND MAKE SURE
THE CITY'S PEOPLE AREN'T DOING THAT.
I'VE SEEN THEM OUT WITH LEAF BLOWERS ON BAYSHORE.
I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF THEY GO BEHIND AND CLEAN UP BUT I'VE
SEEN THEM PUT STUFF ON THE STREETS.
THE OTHER THING IS IT'S NOT JUST DEVELOPMENT, IT'S THE
DESIGN OF NEW HOMES.
AS PEOPLE RAISE UP A HOME, IT FLOODS THE ONE NEXT TO THEM.

I KNOW THERE ARE CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS IN PROVIDING ON-SITE
FLOOD RELIEF, BUT MAYBE WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT THAT AGAIN TO
MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT INADVERTENTLY CREATING MORE PROBLEMS
BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE NICE HOUSES AND SUDDENLY SOMEBODY BUILDS
ACROSS THE STREET, COUPLE FEET HIGHER AND WATER DRAINS.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT I SAW SOMEONE, A REALTOR POSTED THAT
NOW THERE IS A NEW DISCLOSURE THAT YOU NOT ONLY HAVE TO
CHECK A BOX ABOUT FLOODING BUT YOU HAVE TO GO INTO DETAIL TO
DESCRIBE THAT.
IF THAT'S TRUE, THIS COULD START TO AFFECT HOME VALUES AND
EVEN MORE REASON WHY WE NEED TO BE ON TOP OF IT.
IF YOU, THE REAL ESTATE TEAM, ANYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY HAS
AN IDEA ON POLICIES THAT WE COULD PUT IN PLACE, PLEASE LET
US KNOW BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL WANT TO SOLVE THIS.
THANK YOU.
12:05:22PM >>VIK BHIDE:
IF I COULD ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THOSE THINGS.
YES, WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL OPTIONS WITHIN THE LAW.
THE CHALLENGE WITH FINES AND THE CHALLENGE WITH ENFORCEMENT
IS WE CAN HAVE THOSE FINES, BUT IT'S VERY COSTLY TO CATCH
PEOPLE DOING IT WHEN IT HAPPENS.
IT'S REALLY, REALLY HARD TO DO THAT.
WE TRY AND SUPPLEMENT THAT WITH EDUCATION AND ENCOURAGEMENT,
KIND OF SIMILAR TO VISION ZERO AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO IT,
BUT THERE IS A VERY STRONG ASPECT TO CIVIC RESPONSIBILITY
WHEN IT COMES TO RESILIENCE ALSO.

AND WE WILL DO OUR PART IF ANY OF OUR LANDSCAPERS,
IRRESPECTIVE OF THE DEPARTMENT, ARE CREATING CHALLENGES AS
WELL.
BUT THIS IS ALL-HANDS KIND OF A CHALLENGE.
12:06:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN WE PUT THAT INTO POTENTIALLY A WATER
BILL ABOUT NOT BLOWING YOUR YARD DEBRIS INTO THE STREET FOR
EDUCATION PURPOSES, FOR WIDE DISTRIBUTION?
12:06:23PM >>VIK BHIDE:
WE'LL DO THAT.
WE ALSO DO A LOT OF PSA-TYPE OF THINGS, BUT WE'LL STEP THAT
UP.
IN FACT, WE SHOULD HAVE THAT TODAY ITSELF RIGHT NOW.
12:06:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:06:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
VIK, THANK YOU FOR THE NUMBER.
813-274-3101.
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT COME TO MY MIND.
NATURE IS SENDING US A MESSAGE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO GET ANY BETTER.
WE HAVE BEEN ABUSING NATURE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, ALL
ASPECTS OF IT.
AND GOING BACK TO THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE CLEANING THE YARD
AND BLOWING IT INTO THE STORM DRAINAGE SYSTEM, IT'S BEEN
GOING ON -- PAST COUNCILS TRIED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
ASKED CITY EMPLOYEES TO CALL, THOSE OUT ON THE STREET, A LOT
OF THEM THAT DRIVE POLICE CARS, A LOT OF THEM DRIVE

SANITATION TRUCKS, CODE ENFORCEMENT VEHICLES, I DON'T KNOW
IF THAT WORKS OR NOT, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT HAS.
SECONDLY, IT'S INCUMBENT UPON ALL OF US TO DO SOMETHING.
I CAN SAY THIS, LAST NIGHT, MY AIDE COULDN'T GET HER CAR
OUT.
I TOOK HER HOME BECAUSE IT WAS FLOODED IN DOWNTOWN ALSO.
TOOK CYPRESS -- NORTH BOULEVARD, MADE A RIGHT ON NORTH
BOULEVARD WHEN I GOT TO THE CORNER OF CYPRESS AND
HILLSBOROUGH, ALREADY FOUR CARS FLOATING -- FLOATING.
THANK GOD I WAS DRIVING THE OLD FORD HYBRID THAT'S GOT A
BOTTOM TO IT.
THE WATER WASN'T GETTING IN BECAUSE I WENT RIGHT THROUGH IT.
GOT AGAIN TO THE MIDDLE OF CYPRESS BETWEEN NORTH BOULEVARD
AND DALE MABRY, THERE WAS AT LEAST SIX OR SEVEN OTHER CARS.
WHEN I GOT TO THE CORNER OF DALE MABRY AND CYPRESS, THERE
WERE FOUR CARS THAT WERE FLOODED, JUST FLOATING.
NOT FLOODING, FLOATING.
WHAT IS IT?
WELL, IT'S NATURE, NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, NOT ONLY DID YOU HAVE RAIN FOR ONE DAY, YOU HAD
RAINS FOR THREE DAYS THAT WERE EXCEPTIONAL.
THE GROUND WAS ALREADY SATURATED.
NUMBER TWO.
NUMBER THREE, THE INCOMING SIDE COMES, IN THE WATER CANNOT
GO OUT -- I DON'T CARE IF YOUR SYSTEM IS A THOUSAND PERCENT

PERFECT, THE WATER VOLUME WILL NOT MEET THE EXPECTATION OF
WATER VOLUME COMING IN.
BY WEIGHT IT WILL COME RIGHT BACK WHERE IT STARTED.
WE HAD A LOT OF THINGS GOING AGAINST US.
NOT GIVING EXCUSES.
THINK WE HAVE TO BE VIGILANT, ASK FOR EMPLOYEES.
THEY SUPPOSED TO NOT EVEN BLOW TO THE STREET.
PICK IT UP WHEN THEY CUT IT.
IT'S NOT BEING DONE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO TELL YOU, WEST TAMPA, YESTERDAY
ABOUT 2:30 OR SOMETHING WHEN I WAS DRIVING AROUND, I SAW A
COUPLE OF INDIVIDUALS CLEANING THE DITCHES WITH WEED EATERS.
DITCHES ARE NOT CLEANED WITH WEED EATERS.
GRASS FROM FIVE INCHES TO TWO INCHES.
HAVE TO HAVE EVERY SYSTEM CLEANED OUT WITH A SCRAPER.
SO THE WATER CAN DRAIN.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS NOT BEING DONE.
I DON'T KNOW WHO HAS GOT THAT CONTRACT.
SAW IT.
NOT AGAINST THEM.
WEED EAT A DITCH, CLEAN IT OUT.
DON'T WEED EAT IT BECAUSE IT WON'T DO ANYTHING IN THE
SUMMER.
IN THE WINTER YOU CAN GET BY WITH IT BUT NOT IN THE SUMMER.
THESE ARE THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO.

THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
IF WE DON'T CONTROL NATURE, IF WE DON'T DO THINGS NOW,
TOMORROW ONLY GETS TWICE AS WORSE.
12:09:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THIS AFTERNOON WILL GET WORSE.
12:09:55PM >>VIK BHIDE:
ROBLES PARK GOT FIVE INCHES IN TWO HOURS.
3.73 INCHES IN ONE HOUR.
A LOT OF THESE CELLS ARE NOT PREDICTABLE.
YOU CAN SEE THE CELL COMING IN, BUT THE INTENSITY DOES SHIFT
AS IT COMES IN.
OFTENTIMES, AT LEAST I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN PREDICT HOW
MUCH RAIN WILL COME IN WITHIN AN HOUR OR TWO HOURS.
WE CAN ONLY HELP THAT TECHNOLOGY EVOLVES.
12:10:24PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHAT I SAW TODAY ON TV, EVEN IF IT DOES
RAIN ONE MORE DROP FROM NOW TO DECEMBER 31st, YOU'LL STILL
BE ABOVE THE WATER RAINFALL THAT FELL FOR THE WHOLE YEAR.
HOW MANY DAYS IS THAT?
12:10:41PM >>VIK BHIDE:
WE STARTED WITH A DROUGHT.
12:10:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IF THAT IS THE
CASE, I'M SURE IT IS, WE'RE IN TROUBLE.
12:10:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:10:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I MEAN, ABSOLUTELY.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S A PROBLEM IS THE WATER TABLE.
WE HAD A LEAKY PIPE WHICH I FOUND THANKS TO MY WATER BILL.
MY HUSBAND DUG IT OUT YESTERDAY BECAUSE WE KNOW EXACTLY

WHERE IT IS AND FIXED IT.
HE SAID HE COULD BARELY FIX THE PIPE BECAUSE THE WATER WAS
ALREADY HIGH.
THAT WAS BEFORE THE RAIN.
WHAT WE'RE NOT EVEN THINKING ABOUT IS HOW THE WATER TABLE,
WE HAVE SO MUCH RAIN ALREADY THAT WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT YOU
SAID ABOUT US NOT KNOWING WHEN THE CELLS ARE BAD AND THAT IS
100% TRUE.
NO ONE CAN KNOW, BUT WHEN WE HAVE HAD KIND OF RAIN, WE
SHOULD BE ABLE TO PUT OUT A PREDICTOR FOR TODAY BECAUSE THE
WATER TABLE IS SO HIGH, BECAUSE WE KNOW A STORM IS COMING.
I THINK THAT MORE ALONG THOSE LINES OF WHEN WE ALREADY KNOW
THAT WE ARE AT CAPACITY WITH WATER, TO PUT OUT A MEMORANDUM
AND MAYBE, AGAIN, JUST KIND OF ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GET HOME
EARLIER OR BE ABLE TO STAY IN PLACE.
SIMILAR TO A HURRICANE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ROLL WITH THE TIMES.
BECAUSE AS MR. MIRANDA SAID, WE CAN'T CONTROL MADAM CHAIR.
THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THE WATER RISE.
IT'S JUST MANAGING THE WATER THAT WE'RE GETTING.
IN TERMS OF EDUCATION FOR PEOPLE WHO BLOW LEAFS AND GRASS
CLIPPINGS, I THINK I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, BUT ABSOLUTELY
REACHING OUT TO YARD COMPANIES, PEOPLE WHO DO THIS FOR A
LIVING AND START THERE.
HAVE THAT BE PART OF THE EDUCATION PROCESS.

IN ADDITION TO EDUCATING HOMEOWNERS, I DON'T THINK I'VE SEEN
ANYTHING IN MY WATER BILL RECENTLY ABOUT THAT.
I GET MINE ONLINE, BUT STILL, THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT
POPS UP.
THAT SHOULD BE A POP-UP BEFORE I CAN GO PAY THE BILL OF,
HEY, MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT DOING THAT.
OR IF PEOPLE GET THEIR BILL IN THE MAIL TO SIMPLY HAVE A
LEAFLET.
I KNOW YOU DO THAT FROM TIME TO TIME.
BUT AS FAR AS WHAT COUNCIL CAN DO, ONE OF THE MAJOR ISSUES,
AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR
YEARS, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON WITH TREES
AND MITIGATION TREES AND HOW TO EDUCATE THE HOMEOWNER THAT
THE MITIGATION TREE, IF YOU TAKE OUT A MITIGATION TREE, YOU
CAN GET A $15,000 FINE BECAUSE THAT IS PART OF OUR WATER
STRATEGY IS SWALES AND THE ADDING OF SWALES TO PROPERTIES
THAT ARE BEING REDONE.
WE NEED TO BE ON THE FOREFRONT OF STRENGTHENING POLICIES FOR
MAKING SURE NEW HOMEOWNERS UNDERSTAND OR ANY HOMEOWNER WHO
BUYS A NEW PROPERTY, THAT IF THERE IS A SWALE THERE, THAT
YOU CANNOT FILL IT IN.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE FINES WE CAN TOO MUCH IT.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE AS COUNCIL CAN WORK ON.
12:13:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AGREE WITH YOU.
THE PROBLEM IS, WE PUT IT IN AND IT'S NEVER RECORDED.

SO WHEN THE HOUSE IS SOLD, YOU NEVER KNOW.
12:14:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EXACTLY.
BUT THAT IS THE THING WE'RE WORKING ON WITH TREE MITIGATION
RIGHT NOW ABOUT GIS MAPPING.
I'M HOPING THAT IF WE CAN GET IT TO WORK FOR TREES, THAT'S
SOMETHING WE CAN WORK ON FOR SWALES, BEING ABLE TO
HIGHLIGHT, NOTICE, NOTIFY, MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE NOT ONLY
WHO ARE BUYING NEW PROPERTIES BUT BUYING OLDER PROPERTIES
KNOW THAT THEY EXIST.
12:14:23PM >>VIK BHIDE:
THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT.
I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER BUT KIND OF GOES BACK TO ENFORCEMENT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A BROAD SET OF ACTIONS THAT ARE GOING TO
BE NEEDED ON EVERY PROPERTY, IRRESPECTIVE OF USE, AND
SOMEONE NEEDS TO INSPECT IT TO MAKE SURE IT IS IN PLACE, AND
THAT COST IS VERY, VERY HIGH.
AUTOMATION, OR AUTOMATED ENFORCEMENT ISN'T ALWAYS ALLOWED
GIVEN RULES AND REGULATIONS, BOTH STATE AND LOCAL IN CERTAIN
CASES.
THAT IS AN AREA WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIRM UP AND
THAT HAS BOTH PRIVATE AND PUBLIC COMPONENT.
12:15:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
12:15:09PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THANK YOU, MR. BHIDE, AS ALWAYS, FOR YOUR VERY COMPREHENSIVE
PRESENTATION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, DID I HEAR RIGHT, SO THE FORMER MAYOR

BUCKHORN, HE PUT YOUR NUMBER OUT, YOUR OFFICE NUMBER?
12:15:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IF YOU ARE TIRED OF THIS FLOODING, CALL
YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER AND IT WAS JUST MY NUMBER.
I WILL SAY THAT WAS A 4-3 VOTE.
I WAS THE SWING VOTE ON THAT.
I WORKED TO GET CIT MONEY ABOUT $20 MILLION TO GO TOWARDS
THIS PROJECT, BE LESS IMPACTFUL ON THE TAXPAYERS.
I TAKE 100% RESPONSIBILITY EVEN THOUGH I SHOULDN'T TAKE ANY
CREDIT FOR IT BECAUSE IT WAS EVERYBODY, ABOUT WANTING TO DO
SOMETHING ABOUT FLOODING.
THE THING IS, MR. BHIDE, YOU KNOW, THE SYSTEM GETS
OVERWHELMED.
WHAT WE'VE SEEN AND MIGHT SEE THIS AFTERNOON AGAIN, FROM
PALMETTO STREET.
PALMETTO STREET, IT'S A LAKE.
WE CAN CANOE OUT THERE.
THAT'S HOW BAD IT IS.
WE CAN GO RIGHT NOW AND CANOE.
MAY HAVE RECEDED SOME, BUT NOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROPERTY
DAMAGE, AUTOMOBILE DAMAGE.
WE'RE GOING TO GET SUED.
WE'RE GOING TO GET CLAIMS.
WE'RE GOING TO GET ALL SORTS OF STUFF.
WE JUST HAVE TO DO BETTER.
I THINK MAINTENANCE IS ONE OF THE THINGS AND GOING AFTER THE

PEOPLE -- I KNOW THIS IS COMING UP IN FUTURE MEETINGS, GOING
AFTER THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CLOSING THESE DITCHES AND DOING
THINGS WITHOUT PERMITS BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING THE EFFORTS AND
THEY ARE THROWING STUFF IN OUR WAY THAT ARE HURTING OUR
EFFORTS.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
12:16:51PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WAS GOING TO SAY, I THINK WE ALL AGREE ON
THIS WHICH IS TELL US HOW WE CAN HELP.
THAT INCLUDES IN THE BUDGET, ANYTHING.
I KNOW THAT THE VOTE THAT CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO WAS TALKING
ABOUT THAT WAS A VERY DIFFICULT VOTE.
I WASN'T ON COUNCIL YET.
VERY, VERY, A LOT OF PRESSURE.
YOU WERE ELECTED LIKE HOW LONG BEFORE THAT?
12:17:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A YEAR BEFORE.
12:17:12PM >>LUIS VIERA:
RELATIVELY NEW.
A LOT OF PRESSURE ON YOU, OBVIOUSLY.
ANYTHING WE CAN DO, THIS IS THE STUFF THAT IS LOCAL
GOVERNMENT 101.
AND IT'S NOT JUST SOUTH TAMPA.
THERE'S OBVIOUSLY OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.
CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO TALKED ABOUT THAT, PARTS OF NORTH TAMPA
AS WELL, IN I GO THAT WE CAN DO.
I'M GLAD WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT ISSUE AND
THE EFFECT THAT HAS.

IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE MAYOR DID THE PARKS MASTER PLAN.
THE IDEA THAT AS THE CITY GROWS, TAKE A LOOK AT THE NUMBER
OF PARKS.
PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN AS THE CITY GROWS, AS THE
COMMUNITY GROWS, WE HAVE TO INVEST IN MEETING THE NEEDS OF
THAT GROWING COMMUNITY.
THE SAME GOES WITH THIS ISSUE, AS WE GROW AS A CITY, IF WE
DON'T PUT IN THE BUDGET ALLOWANCES TO MEET THAT GROWTH ON
ALL PARTS, THAT'S BEEN THE MESSAGE SINCE DAY ONE, THEN WE'RE
NOT DOING OUR JOB.
THAT'S ALL OF US, BY THE WAY.
MYSELF INCLUDED.
ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO IN THE BUDGET, SIR, FOR THIS, PLEASE
LET US KNOW.
ANYTHING AT ALL.
EFFORTS, I THINK WE WOULD ALL BE VERY SUPPORTIVE.
THIS IS LOCAL GOVERNMENT 101.
12:18:20PM >>VIK BHIDE:
THANK YOU FOR ASKING.
I WILL MAKE TWO SUGGESTIONS RIGHT NOW SINCE YOU ASKED.
THE FIRST ONE IS WE'RE WORKING ON THE WATERSHED MANAGEMENT
PLAN THAT WILL COME WITH AN UPDATED STORMWATER TECHNICAL
MANUAL AND SOME PROPOSED RULE CHANGES.
PLEASE SUPPORT THOSE.
AND THE OTHER IS MUCH MORE CONTROVERSIAL, BUT IT ADDRESSES
HOUSING AS WELL.

IT IS THE Z WORD, ZONING.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT ZONING IN THE AREAS WHICH ARE MOST
CONDUCIVE FOR DEVELOPMENT, FOR HOUSING, EVEN FROM A
STORMWATER PERSPECTIVE, AND WE'RE FORTUNATE THAT SOME OF
THOSE ARE WHERE WE ANTICIPATE THE BIGGEST JOB GROWTH,
BETWEEN THE AIRPORT AND DOWNTOWN AND YBOR.
THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT ARE CONDUCIVE FOR THIS AND WE WILL
BE ABLE TO MOVE THE WATER A LITTLE BIT BETTER FROM THOSE
AREAS, A LITTLE BIT HARDER AS YOU GET CLOSER TO THE COAST.
I KNOW THAT'S CONTROVERSIAL, BUT IT DOES ADDRESS A LOT OF
MAJOR NEEDS OVER THE NEXT 30, 50 YEARS FOR US.
12:19:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
12:19:27PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU, CHAIR.
I WANT TO ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THE LEAF SITUATION.
WHEN OUR CITIZENS ARE BLOWING THEM IN THE DRAIN, THAT
REQUIRES US TO REMOVE THEM TO UNCLOG THEM?
12:19:39PM >>VIK BHIDE:
IF THEY MAKE IT INTO THE DRAINS, YES, WE HAVE
TO.
NOBODY ELSE MAINTAINS THE SYSTEMS.
12:19:44PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IS IT A NEW PROBLEM?
12:19:46PM >>VIK BHIDE:
VERY OLD PROBLEM.
EXACERBATED BY RECENT CONDITIONS.
12:19:50PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
DO YOU THINK PART OF IT, TOO, IS THE FACT
THAT WE'RE NOT LONGER ALLOWED TO BAG LEAFS IN PLASTIC BAGS
FOR THE CITY TO PICK THEM UP?

DO YOU THINK THAT COULD BE A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR?
12:20:00PM >>VIK BHIDE:
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AS MUCH OF A
CONTRIBUTING FACTOR AS MUCH AS THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE
VERY, VERY HARD TO ENFORCE.
YOU HAVE TO BE AT THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE RIGHT TIME TO
CAPTURE THAT.
I'M NOT AWARE OF OUR AUTOMATION TOOLS, LIKE WE CAN WITH
PARKING, FOR EXAMPLE, PARKING IN A BIKE LANE AND ALL OF
THAT, THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR THOSE SORT OF BROAD
ENFORCEMENT.
12:20:26PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SHORT PERSONAL NOTE, I FLOODED TWO SPORTS
CARS IN TAMPA.
ONE ON WESTSHORE AND ONE ORIENT ROAD JAIL.
I TRY NOT TO DRIVE IN THE RAIN ANYMORE.
IT'S VERY PAINFUL TO BE A PART -- I WORKED AT ORIENT ROAD
JAIL.
STOP TELLING JOKES.
YOU KNOW THAT DOESN'T GO WELL FOR YOU UP HERE.
[ LAUGHTER ]
12:20:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SHE'S RIGHT.
12:20:56PM >>BILL CARLSON:
VIK, A QUICK QUESTION.
AT THE BEGINNING, TALKING ABOUT THE STORMWATER FEE AND YOU
TALKED ABOUT THE END OF THE BONDING, BUT YOU DIDN'T SAY
WHEN.
AGAIN, THE STORMWATER FEE WAS APPROVED BEFORE MY TIME.

12:21:11PM >> CORRECT.
12:21:12PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DOES IT SUNSET AT SOME POINT AND WHEN IS
THAT?
12:21:15PM >>VIK BHIDE:
THIRD YEAR ASSESSMENT FOR THE IMPROVEMENT.
SO I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DATE, BUT I WOULD THINK 2016.
AROUND 2046 OR 2045.
12:21:26PM >>BILL CARLSON:
FAR OUT IN THE FUTURE.
12:21:27PM >>VIK BHIDE:
CORRECT.
BEFORE THAT TIME, WE WILL KNOW WHAT ELSE WE NEED TO DO AND
THEN WE SHOULD TRY AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT THEN.
I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE EVEN WITH THE SERVICE
ASSESSMENT, THE SERVICE ASSESSMENT RELATIVE TO OUR NEEDS HAS
ALREADY FALLEN SHORT.
AND THAT WILL ALSO HAVE TO BE TAKEN A LOOK AT.
12:21:50PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST QUICKLY, THE CONTROVERSY AND THE
BASHING THAT GUIDO GOT WAS AROUND THE CITY'S FORMULA FOR HOW
IT'S CALCULATED.
IF AT SOME POINT WE'RE UPDATING IT OR LOOKING AT BONDING, WE
MIGHT WANT TO GO BACK OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND TALK ABOUT
THE FORMULA BECAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT THOUGHT
THE WAY IT WAS CALCULATED WAS NOT EQUITABLE.
I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT LONG CONVERSATION.
TOOK A LOT OF BRAVERY ON GUIDO'S PART TO VOTE FOR IT
CONSIDERING HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE AGAINST IT.
IF WE DIDN'T HAVE IT, WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET

THESE THINGS DONE.
12:22:29PM >>VIK BHIDE:
THAT WAS VERY TIMELY.
THANK YOU FOR THAT SUPPORT BECAUSE WE'RE BETTER OFF TODAY
BECAUSE OF IT.
12:22:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MY REWARD, I GET YELLED AT EVEN MORE.
12:22:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE WRAPPING UP.
I WANT TO SAY FOR ITEMS 28, 33, 34, AND 55, AFTER WE GET
BACK, I JUST NEED MR. ROGERO.
12:22:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A 1:30 HEARING, ITEM 63.
WE'LL TAKE THAT AND GO RIGHT TO THE STAFF REPORTS.
THOSE ITEMS.
IF YOU LIKE HANGING OUT WITH US, YOU'RE ALWAYS WELCOME TO
STAY.
WE'LL RECESS FOR LUNCH UNTIL 1:45.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
[LUNCH RECESS]

01:47:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GOOD AFTERNOON, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL
THIS CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER.
01:48:00PM >>CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
01:48:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
01:48:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SECOND.
01:48:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ALL RIGHT, THE HEARINGS ARE OPEN.
THERE WAS A REQUEST THAT CAME THROUGH ABOUT ITEM 64 TO
CONTINUE IT TO A LATER DATE.
THE PETITIONER IS HERE.
QUASI-JUDICIAL.
DO I HAVE TO SWEAR HIM IN FOR A CONTINUANCE?
01:48:34PM >> WILLIAM MOLLOY.
COUNCILMAN, A TECHNICAL MATTER.
MY ENGINEER HAD A FLOODING ISSUE AND WILL ASK FOR YOUR
INDULGENCE.
01:48:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHEN DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE IT TO?
01:48:53PM >> NEXT AVAILABLE HEARING, SIR.
01:48:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LET'S FIND OUT.
OCTOBER 3.
01:49:00PM >> THAT IS FINE.
01:49:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO CONTINUE TO OCTOBER 3.
01:49:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
MR. SHELBY?
1:30 P.M., 301 E. KENNEDY, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
01:49:19PM >> THANK YOU.
01:49:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ITEM NUMBER 63 IS OUR NEXT HEARING.
ITEM 63.
IF YOU WERE GOING TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 63, PLEASE STAND,
RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, AND WE WILL SWEAR YOU IN.
[SWEARING IN]
01:49:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY REGISTERED ONLINE?
YES?
01:49:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE ALL EX-PARTE
COMMUNICATION AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC INSPECTION.
01:49:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION.
01:49:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
01:49:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
ITEM 63.
01:50:02PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
GOOD AFTERNOON, CAMARIA
PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
ITEM NUMBER 63 IS REVIEW HEARING FOR THE MATTER OF SUB 24-12
FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED 2115 NORTH DALE MABRY HIGHWAY.
THE PETITIONER IS ASKING -- APPEALING A DECISION BY STAFF
WHO DETERMINED THAT THEIR REQUEST WAS A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE
TO A REZONING APPLICATION.
CODE SECTION 27-138 ALLOWING FOR AN APPLICANT WHO HAS AN
APPROVED SITE PLAN TO ASK FOR CHANGES -- ADMINISTRATIVE
PROCESS, TO ASK FOR CHANGES FOR THE APPROVED SITE PLAN AS
LONG AS THEY ARE NONSUBSTANTIAL 27-138 PROVIDING THAT PROCESS.
AND I PROVIDED YOU A COPY OF THAT CODE SECTION.
TO JUST -- JUST TO GO BACK, THE PETITIONER IS REQUESTING TO
REDUCE THE SETBACKS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
AS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN REZ 16-66 FROM -- TO 8 FEET --
WHEN THE CODE REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF 10 FEET.
SO STAFF DETERMINED THAT THE REQUEST WAS A SUBSTANTIAL
CHANGE.
ACCORDING TO CODE SECTION 27-138, SUBSECTIONS 7.
I ALSO PROVIDED YOU A COPY OF THAT CODE SECTION AS WELL.
STAFF MADE THAT DECISION ON MAY 31, 2024.
IN THE PACKET, I PROVIDED YOU ALONG WITH THE CODE SECTIONS I
PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, I PROVIDED YOU A COPY OF THE RULES OF
PROCEDURES, SAMPLE MOTIONS, AND ALSO CODE SEC-ION 27-61
SUBSECTIONS J-3 WHICH GOVERNS REVIEW HEARINGS AS STATED IN
27-16 SUBSECTIONS J-3.
DE NOVO REVIEW HEARING WHERE CITY COUNCIL CAN ACCEPT NEW
INFORMATION AND TAKE TESTIMONY REGARDING THIS MATTER.
MISS DOCK IS HERE TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE
APPLICATION AND THE DECISION FROM STAFF.
ONCE YOU HEAR FROM ALL THE PARTIES AND EVIDENCE REGARDING
THIS MATTER, COUNCIL CAN AFFIRM THE DECISION OF STAFF WHO
DETERMINED THAT THE REQUEST WAS A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE OR CITY
COUNCIL CAN OVERTURN THE DECISION OF STAFF AND DETERMINE
THAT THE REQUEST FROM THE PETITIONER IS NONSUBSTANTIAL.
SOME THOSE ARE THE TWO ACTION ITEMS CITY COUNCIL CAN TAKE.
AND I WILL BE AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT NOW I
WILL TURN IT OVER TO MISS DOCK.
01:52:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY QUESTIONS?
YES, MISS DOCK.
01:52:47PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCIL.
LaCHONE DOCK, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
AND I HAVE A PRESENTATION.
IF WE CAN BRING THAT UP.
01:52:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THERE IT IS.
01:52:56PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
OKAY.
SO THIS REQUEST AS HAS BEEN REVIEWED WITH YOU IS A
SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE APPEAL HEARING.
THIS IS FOR SUB 24-12.
SO THE APPLICANT IS JIM PORTER.
PROPERTY IS 2115 NORTH DALE MABRY HIGHWAY.
SO THE REQUEST IS REVIEWED UNDER SECTION 27-138 OF THE
ZONING CODE.
THE REQUEST, AS MENTIONED TO YOU, AND HAS BEEN BRIEFED, IS
-- THE REQUEST IS TO REDUCE THE FRONT YARD SETBACK FROM 10
FEET MINIMUM TO 8 FEET.
I WILL SHOW YOU MOMENTARILY THE PICTURES OF THE SITE AND
WHAT WE ARE REFERENCING HERE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE SITE.
SO THE LOCATION OF THE SITE.
THIS IS AN AERIAL.
JUST FOR ORIENTATION.
THE SITE IS LOCATED WEST OF HIMES AVENUE.
IT IS ON DALE MABRY AND BORDERED WITH CHERRY STREET TO THE
NORTH.
AND WALNUT STREET IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH OF THE SITE, AND
IT IS AT THE CORNER.
SO THE SITE ITSELF, JUST TO TALK ABOUT THE ZONING FOR A
SECOND.
THE SITE IS APPROVED THROUGH A PD REZONING.
IT WAS APPROVED IN 2016 UNDER FILE REZ-16-66.
THAT APPROVAL ALLOWS FOR ALL CI USES ON THE SITE, ALL
COMMERCIAL INTENSIVES I HAVE IT USES ARE ALLOWED.
THIS COUNCIL HEARS PD REQUESTS BEFORE THEM ALL THE TIME.
ANY PDs APPROVED, A FIVE-YEAR TIME FRAME FOR BUILD OUT.
IF YOU BUILD BEYOND THAT FIVE YEARS, YOU SUBMIT A
SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE REVIEW.
YOU SUBMIT THAT SITE PLAN.
IT IS REVIEWED.
AND THAT SITE PLAN SHOULD MIMIC WHAT YOU SUBMIT FOR YOUR
BUILDING PERMIT.
SO IN 2023, A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE REQUEST WAS SUBMITTED
SHOWED THE USE OF THE DRIVE-IN WINDOW AND A RESTAURANT
ON-SITE AND ALSO GENERAL COMPLIANCE WITH THE WEST SHORE
OVERLAY DISTRICT STANDARDS.
SINCE THAT TIME, WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE APPLICANT WENT TO
PERMITTING.
AND ON THE SECOND ROUND OF PERMITTING REVIEWS IS WHEN IT WAS
DISCOVERED THAT THE SETBACK WAS NOT AT 10 FEET.
IT WAS AT 8 FEET ON THAT WEST SIDE.
SO WE WILL SHOW YOU THAT IMAGE SHORTLY.
WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS THE SITE.
THE TOP PHOTO IS THE SITE ITSELF.
THE FRONT OF THE SITE.
THE WEST VIEW.
IF YOU ARE ON DALE MABRY AND LOOKING AT THE SITE, LOOKING
EAST.
THE BOTTOM LEFT PICTURE IS ANOTHER VIEW OF THE SITE, THE
FRONT OF IT.
AND THIS IS IF YOU ARE SENDING ON THE NORTH END OF IT
LOOKING SOUTH.
THE BOTTOM PICTURE ON THE RIGHT IS THE EAST END OF THE SITE
AND WHERE PATRONS WOULD ENTER THE SITE, THE SUBJECT SITE FOR
THE DRIVE-THRU SERVICE.
SO I WANTED TO SHOW YOU ALSO THE SITE, WHAT ELSE IS ON THE
SITE.
SO IF YOU WERE HEADED NORTH ON DALE MABRY AND YOU TURN RIGHT
INTO THE SITE, WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU IS THE HOTEL.
THE PICTURE ON THE TOP.
THE HOTEL IS DEVELOPED.
IF YOU LOOK TO YOUR LEFT, THAT IS THE SITE WHICH IS THE
BOTTOM PICTURE.
AND THAT IS THE VIEW IF YOU ARE LOOKING NORTH AT THE SUBJECT
SITE.
SO THERE IS AN ARROW THAT IS THERE.
I KNOW SOME OF THE WORDING IS KIND OF OVER THAT ARROW,
BUT IT KIND OF POINTS TO THAT COLUMN.
ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT COLUMN, THAT IS THE FRONT SETBACK
AND WHERE IT IS OFF BY TWO FEET.
SO IN THE REZONING AND IN THE APPROVED PUBLIC HEARINGS, IT
CALLS OUT AND BY THE WEST SHORE OVERLAY MINIMUM TEN-FOOT
SETBACK AND STAFF CANNOT ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE THE
DIFFERENCE IN THE SETBACK.
SO AS MENTIONED EARLIER, IT IS IN THE WEST SHORE OVERLAY
DISTRICT.
DALE MABRY IS A REGIONAL CORRIDOR AND THOSE ARE THE
STANDARDS ON THAT REGIONAL CORRIDOR THAT MINIMUM TEN-FOOT
SETBACK.
STAFF TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THE SITE IS FOR
COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE USES AND THAT THE HOTEL IS ALREADY
BUILT ON THE SITE ALONG WITH THE RESTAURANT, BUT WE LOOK AT
ANY POSSIBLE IMPACTS, AND WE DIDN'T FIND ANY FROM THAT
CONSTRUCTION.
AND WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY OBJECTIONS WITH THE REQUEST.
STAFF IS IN SUPPORT OF THE REQUEST.
WHAT WE LOOKED AT IN ADDITION TO THE SITE ALLOWING
COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE USES.
WE LOOK WHENEVER THERE IS A REQUEST FOR RELIEF FROM THE
CODE AND POTENTIAL IMPACTS AND NO POTENTIAL IMPACTS FOR
ALLOWING THAT SETBACK AT THE 8 FEET.
WE LOOKED AT THE FRONTAGE OF THE SITE, THE TRANSPARENCY AND
EMBELLISHMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR THE WESTSHORE OVERLAY.
WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
01:57:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
01:57:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE?
01:57:31PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
YES, ABSOLUTELY.
01:57:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BASICALLY THE ISSUE HERE THAT STAFF CANNOT
OVERRIDE THE WESTSHORE OVERLAY?
01:57:40PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
CORRECT.
01:57:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BUT STAFF IS IN SUPPORT OF OVERTURNING
THE DENIAL.
01:57:47PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
YES.
01:57:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOT IN SUPPORT OF OVERTURNING THE DENIAL, BUT
SUPPORTING THE IDEA OF MODIFYING THE SETBACK.
01:57:53PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
TO THE 8 FEET WHICH IS KIND --
01:57:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU ARE LOOKING AT THAT AS THE SAME THING
01:57:59PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
YES.
01:58:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO -- SO BASICALLY IF THIS WAS INCORRECT --
TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
IDEALLY THIS SHOULD -- IF THIS ISN'T -- IF THIS ISN'T -- IF
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING OF THE WESTSHORE OVERLAY THAT YOU CAN
APPROVE WILL HAVE TO COME TO US.
BUT INSTEAD OF DOING TWO THINGS, WE ARE LOOKING AT DOING ONE
THING.
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK US TO TWICE.
01:58:28PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
SINCE IT IS IT IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE
WEST SHORE OVERLAY TO HAVE THAT SETBACK.
THEY ARE NOT AT THAT SETBACK.
ONE OF THE STAFF CANNOT ADMINISTRATIVELY IS THE SETBACK.
ONLY WAY IT IS APPROVED THROUGH CITY COUNCIL AND THAT
PROCESS.
01:58:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
01:58:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO I HAVE A QUESTION.
THIS WAS APPROVED AS A PD IN 2016.
01:58:49PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
YES.
01:58:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WASN'T TOUCHED IN THE FIVE-YEAR PERIOD?
01:58:55PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
CORRECT.
ONCE A PD IS APPROVED AND FIVE YEARS HAVE EXPIRED, STAFF CAN
RE-- I DON'T KNOW, REAPPROVE THE -- REAPPROVE JUST THE STAFF
APPROVAL AND DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL.
01:59:11PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE FIVE-YEAR BUILD-OUT.
AFTER THE FIVE-YEAR PERIOD, THE APPLICANT HAS TO SHOW THEY
ARE MEETING CODE REQUIREMENTS.
AND STAFF REVIEW IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PD PLAN SO THEY
CAN'T DO ANYTHING THAT IS NOT APPROVED IN THE PD PLAN.
01:59:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOTCHA, THE PD LIVES FOREVER?
01:59:36PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
PD IS FOREVER UNTIL SOMEONE COMES BACK AND
REZONES IT AGAIN.
01:59:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE SETBACK IN THIS CORRIDOR.
OTHER EXAMPLES OF ENCROACHMENT THAT WE ARE AWARE OF THAT --
THAT ARE CURRENTLY EXISTING CONDITIONS.
THIS WILL JUST BE ONE OF MANY OR WILL THIS BE JUST THE FIRST
ENCROACHMENT IN THAT CORRIDOR?
01:59:59PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
I I DID NOT LOOK ALONG THAT CORRIDOR.
I CAN CHECK AND SEE WHAT IT -- I JUST DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS
TO SAY THAT THERE ARE TO MANY WITHIN THIS DISTANCE THAT HAS
ENCROACHED.
02:00:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MAJOR TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR AND WHO
KNOWS THE FUTURE -- WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
SO ARE WE APPROVING THAT ONE DAY WE WILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND
BUY?
THAT IS WHAT I WONDER ABOUT.
02:00:25PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOKED AT AND
CONSIDERED AND REVIEWED THE FACT THERE IS COMMERCIAL TO THE
NORTH, COMMERCIAL TO THE SOUTH, AND A STRIP OF DALE MABRY
WITH THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY.
SO WE JUST DIDN'T FEEL THAT THERE WAS MAJOR IMPACTS AT ALL.
02:00:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I FELT LIKE -- IF I KNEW THERE WERE OTHER
EXAMPLES ENCROACHMENTS, I GUESS I WOULDN'T -- IF IT WAS THE
FIRST ONE, THEN I MAY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE WARY OF
APPROVING.
02:00:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION.
02:00:56PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
THAT CONCLUDES.
I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
02:01:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DOES THAT INCLUDE THE ENTIRE
PRESENTATION BY STAFF?
02:01:06PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
BY STAFF, YES.
02:01:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE APPLICANT WHO WILL HAVE 15 MINUTES
TO PRESENT.
WE WILL HAVE QUESTIONS AND THEN GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
02:01:14PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN AND CITY COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS JOHN DICKS.
I PRACTICE LAW WITH JIM PORTER.
SO I'M HERE ON HIS BEHALF.
I ALSO HAVE WITH ME, CHRIS KERN AND DAVID PANELLA, BOTH OF
WHOM WORK WITH -- OR FOR GREEN LANE, THE RESTAURANT IN
QUESTION HERE.
AND I DON'T WANT TO REHASH ANYTHING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL
SAYS AND COGNIZANT AND RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE'S TIME.
I DO WANT TO MAKE JUST A COUPLE POINTS, VERY QUICK POINTS.
FIRST OF ALL, GREEN LANE, IF YOU ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT,
IS A NEW CONCEPT.
IT IS A SALAD -- FRESH SALAD AND WRAP DRIVE-THRU RESTAURANT.
THIS PARTICULAR SITE, YOU HEARD IS IT IS ON DALE MABRY, JUST
SOUTH TO THE STADIUM.
ON YOUR WAY TO THE STADIUM ON THE RIGHT.
EXCITING NEW CONCEPT.
THE THIRD LOCATION IN TAMPA BAY.
THEY ARE WORKING ON THE FOURTH.
TWO LOCATIONS IN TAMPA THE OTHER ONE IS ON GANDY.
BUT EXCITED WHAT THEY ARE BRINGING.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY ARE DOING, BECAUSE IT IS A
DRIVE-THRU, THEY ARE -- WELL, THEY ARE SERVING SALAD BY
DRIVE-THRU.
THIS IS WHAT YOU HEARD ABOUT IS THE -- THE WALL IN QUESTION
AND THE SETBACK ISSUE HERE IS CREATED NOT BY -- I THINK THIS
IS IMPORTANT -- NOT BY THE BUILDING ITSELF, WHICH IS 37 FEET
FROM THE ROAD, BUT BY THIS LITTLE WALL THAT PROTECTS THE
DRIVE THROUGH.
AND SCREENS THE DRIVE THROUGH.
AND THAT SCREENING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PD ITSELF.
SO WHEN GREEN LANE WAS TRYING TO DEVELOP THIS RESTAURANT AND
I THINK THIS WAS THE MAJOR THEME OF THIS PRESENTATION.
THE 8 FEET VERSUS 2 FEET WAS AN HONEST MISTAKE.
HE DID EVERYTHING ELSE REQUIRED IN THE CODE AND REQUIRED BY
THE PD.
DRAFTED THE PLANS WITH AN 8-FOOT SETBACK.
THE PLANS WERE APPROVED WITH THE 8-FOOT SETBACK.
NOBODY CAUGHT THIS UNLESS CITY STAFF NOTICED IT IN THE
SECOND READING -- OR SECOND REVIEW.
AN HONEST MISTAKE.
AND TWO-FEET DEAL THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHICH IS REALLY
JUST THE WIDTH OF THIS COLUMN HERE.
WE CAN'T MOVE THE WALL TWO FEET IN, PAUSE IF YOU WERE TO
MOVE THE WALL TWO FEET IN, YOU WOULD MESS WITH THE TRAFFIC
FLOW.
AND IT WOULD BE UNSAFE FOR VEHICLES TO MAKE THIS TURN IN THE
DRIVE THROUGH.
SO WE CAN'T MOVE THE WALL THE TWO FEET IN.
CERTAINLY, IF WE HAD CAUGHT THIS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, WE
COULD HAVE MOVED EVERYTHING TWO FEET.
BUT WE CAN'T MOVE THE WALL AND LEAVE THE BUILDING WHERE IT
IS.
SO WE ARE JUST -- IT IS A MEA CULPA HEARING.
WE ARE SORRY.
WE WISH WE WOULD HAVE CAUGHT THIS ON THE FRONT END AND DO
SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
BUT IT STANDS NOW, ALL WE HAVE IS TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS.
IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT RESTRICTIONS.
CONSISTENT WITH THE CODE.
IT IS AN ATTRACTIVE BUILDING.
IT IS AN EXCITING CONCEPT.
AND WE ASK FOR YOUR INDULGENCE ON THIS TWO-FEET ISSUE.
02:04:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL HURTAK.
02:04:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN YOU PUT THE PHOTO BACK UP, AND IS THIS
ALREADY BUILT?
02:04:29PM >> YES, ALREADY BUILT.
THEY HAD A TEMPORARY C.O. AND THEY OPENED AND THEY HAD ROB
GRONKOWSKI OUT THERE SERVING IN THE DRIVE-THRU LINE.
AND EVERYBODY --
02:04:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS THE PART I WAS UNCLEAR ABOUT.
02:04:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYTHING ELSE?
02:04:46PM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
02:04:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AT THIS TIME, PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK FROM THE PUBLIC, PLEASE COME UP
AND STATE YOUR NAME.
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
02:05:00PM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
THIS IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE WHY CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO REVIEW
LAND USE ISSUES NO MATTER WHAT THAT GOOFY JUDGE HAS TO SAY.
02:05:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
ANY STAFF?
ANY ADDITIONAL STAFF COMMENT?
WOULD YOU LIKE REBUTTAL, SIR.
WE HAVE FIVE MINUTES.
02:05:19PM >> DITTO.
02:05:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DITTO MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN
CLENDENIN.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
THE HEARING IS CLOSED.
WILL ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION AT THIS TIME?
02:05:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I MOVE TO OVERTURN THE ZONING
ADMINISTRATOR'S DECISION SUB-24-12 FOR PROPERTY AT 31215 NORTH
DALE MABRY MABRY HIGHWAY.
A NONSUBSTANTIAL CHANGE OF 27-138-7 FOR THE FOLLOWING
REASONS.
THE IMPACT IS DIMINIMUS -- I NOTICED IN THE PHOTOGRAPH THERE
WAS ALREADY A MAJOR BILLBOARD THAT SEEMS TO BE IN THE SAME
SETBACK AREA SO ALREADY AN OBSTRUCTION IN THE SETBACK.
THAT THE -- THIS WAS A -- THIS WAS OBVIOUSLY AN OVERSIGHT OF
THE APPLICANT AND THE STAFF THAT MOVED THIS TO THIS POINT
FORWARD.
AND THE IMPACT ON THE -- ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY
IS DIMINIMUS.
02:06:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION AND A SECOND.
AND AN OVERTURNING OF THE DENIAL.
ANY DISCUSSIONS?
02:06:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT GENERALLY I RESPECT
AN OVERLAY AREA; HOWEVER, NO ONE FROM WEST SHORE IS HERE TO
SAY THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS.
SO I CAN SUPPORT THE OVERTURNING.
02:06:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
NO, NO.
JUST ENDLESS BAD NEWS.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ALL RIGHT.
IT HAS BEEN OVERTURNED.
02:07:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AT THIS TIME BECAUSE OF COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SHE HAD -- --
PER REQUEST OF COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, MR. ROGERO IS HERE.
ITEMS 28, 3, 34 AND 55 ARE THE FIRST GROUP THAT HAVE BEEN
PULLED.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO START OFF THE
DISCUSSION FOR THESE FOUR ITEMS AND THEN GO TO THE 40 AND
42.
02:07:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SURE.
WHOOPS.
FORGOT MY OWN RULE TO TURN ON THE LIGHT -- THE MICROPHONE.
SO TODAY -- THE REASON I BROUGHT THESE FOUR FORWARD.
THESE ARE FOUR RESOLUTIONS MOVING MONEY.
THEY ARE MOVING -- THREE OF THEM ARE MOVING FROM PERSONNEL
TO OPERATING.
AND ONE OF THEM IS MOVING HALF MILLION FROM THE GENERAL FUND
IN THE FRANCHISE FEE, THE ELECTRIC FRANCHISE FEE TO
OPERATING EXPENSES.
THE THING I WANTED TO TALK TO -- A, I WANTED COUNCIL TO KNOW
THAT THIS -- THIS SEEMS TO BE THE BEGINNING OF SORT OF
TRUEING UP OUR BUDGET TO SOME DEGREE; HOWEVER, I HAD MADE A
MOTION FOR NOVEMBER, LOOKING AT ROLLOVER.
AND MOVING MONEY NOW THAT MOST OF US WOULD EXPECT TO BE IN
THE ROLLOVER CATEGORY IS OBVIOUSLY NOT GOING TO BE IN THE
ROLLOVER CATEGORY THAT WE ARE GOING TO GET IN NOVEMBER.
SO WHEN DOES THIS NORMAL TRANSFER OF FUNDS FROM CATEGORIES
WHERE IT WON'T BE USED INTO OTHER CATEGORIES WHERE IT WILL
BE USED.
WHEN DOES THAT NORMALLY BEGIN WITHIN A BUDGET CYCLE.
02:09:20PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, MA'AM.
DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
IT CAN TAKE A COUPLE -- IT CAN HAPPEN IN A NUMBER OF
DIFFERENT PERIODS.
THESE PARTICULAR ITEMS ARE DONE BECAUSE THESE DEPARTMENTS
HAVE -- I WON'T WANT TO SAY IMMEDIATE BUT NEED OF OPERATING
OPPOSED TO THEIR PERSONNEL ACCOUNT.
IDEALLY, AFTER WE CLOSE THE BOOKS OUT, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER,
WE WILL BE ABLE TO -- YOU KNOW, AS WE DISCUSSED BEFORE, WE
WILL BE ABLE TO SHOW COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC AND THE MAYOR,
HERE IS WHERE WE ARE CLOSING THE BOOKS AND WHAT WE ARE
ENDING UP WITH, COMPARED TO WHAT WE PROJECTED.
WE WERE FORTUNATE IN THE PAST, AND WE HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE
THIS YEAR, IT HAS BEEN MORE THAN WE ANTICIPATED.
I THINK THAT -- I THINK THE DISCUSSION GOING FORWARD IS
CENTERING AROUND -- AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I DON'T
WANT TO SPEAK FOR YOU.
COUNCIL HAVING MORE INPUT INTO THAT AND AT AN EARLIER TIME.
SO THESE WOULD BE -- I DON'T WANT TO CALL THEM ANOMALIES,
BUT TAKING THESE ACTIONS FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.
THEY HAVE THAT IMMINENT NEED FOR AN OPERATING EXPENSE.
IT ALSO CANDIDLY IS BETTER OPTICS USING, FOR INSTANCE, THE
FRANCHISE FEES THEN PULLING IT FROM FUND BALANCE.
WE HAVE UNANTICIPATED.
WE ARE MAKING A LITTLE BIT MORE IN FRANCHISE FEES THAN WE
THOUGHT WE WOULD.
MATCH THAT ANTICIPATED REVENUE TO THIS EXPENSE.
FROM A LARGER PERSPECTIVE, I -- I AM INFERRING -- AND YOUR
QUITE RIGHT.
IF THESE OPERATING EXPENSE NEEDS DID NOT EXIST WOULD ROLL
THE FUND BALANCE AND BE THE ACTUAL PROJECTION.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?
02:11:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, IT DOES.
I WANT TO BRING TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION.
WE ARE NOT NECESSARILY IN A ROLLOVER REPORT, WE ARE NOT
GOING TO GET WHAT THE FULL ROLLOVER WOULD BE.
I WANTED FOLKS TO JUST UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS KIND OF WHAT
WE ARE LOOKING AT NOW.
WE ARE APPROVING THESE TRANSFERS.
AND THAT IS THE WHOLE REASON I DIDN'T WANT THE DEPARTMENT
HEADS TO BE HERE.
I AM NOT FOCUSED ON THE ACTUAL TRANSFERS -- THE INDIVIDUAL
TRAUMA BEHIND IT, I WANTED TO LOOK AND MAKE COUNCIL AWARE
THAT, YES, THESE ARE THOSE CHANGES AT THE END OF THE YEAR
THAT WE CAN BE IMPACTING NOT THAT WE CAN'T IMPACT ANY TIME,
BUT THIS IS THE END OF YEAR POSSIBLE ROLLOVER BASS AND IT WE
ARE ROLLING IT OVER BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
02:11:43PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
VERY GOOD WAY TO PUT IT.
YES, MA'AM.
02:11:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE -- GOING FORWARD, I
WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO THEN ALONG WITH THE NOVEMBER
21 REPORT ON ROLLOVER, I WOULD LIKE TO -- TO RECEIVE A LIST
OF -- OF THESE MOVEMENTS FROM ONE EXPENSE ACCOUNT TO THE
OTHER THAT -- THAT -- THAT ARE ACTUATING THIS TYPE OF
MOVEMENT.
02:12:15PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
UNDERSTOOD.
02:12:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BASICALLY FROM NOW -- FROM THE BEGINNING OF
SEPTEMBER UNTIL WE GET THAT ROLLOVER REPORT, WHERE DID THESE
FUNDS THAT WEREN'T NECESSARY IN ONE PLACE MOVED TO ANOTHER
THAT WON'T BE INCLUDED IN THE ROLLOVER?
02:12:30PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
UNDERSTOOD.
THAT WOULD -- IN OTHER WORDS, WOULD MITIGATE THE AMOUNT MUCH
FUND BALANCE.
02:12:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CORRECT.
I WANT US TO UNDERSTAND IT AND THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND IT A
BIT MORE.
I REALIZED WHEN I MADE THAT MOTION FOR NOVEMBER 21, I WASN'T
GOING TO BE INCLUDING THESE TYPES OF CHANGES.
WHEREAS AS -- AS STEWARDS OF THE BUDGET, WE SHOULD BE PAY BE
MORE ATTENTION HOW THIS MOVES AROUND.
I ASKED EACH DEPARTMENT HEAD WHEN THEY CALLED ME, DOES THIS
MEAN YOU HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN YOUR FY '25 BUDGET TO COVER
THESE THINGS GOING FORWARD AND ALL HAVE ASSURED ME THEY DID.
BUT, AGAIN, SOMETHING TO KIND OF BRING UP AND BRING FORWARD.
02:13:12PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I APPRECIATE THAT AND IF I CAN ADD A LITTLE
CONTEXT AND IN TALKING TO THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS ARE, HE
WERE TALKING BEHIND THE SCENES ALSO, AND I THINK THEY ARE
QUITE RIGHT.
IN TOTAL, THEY HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING YET WE CAN'T MOVE FUNDING
FROM PERSONNEL TO ACTION WITHOUT COUNCIL ACTION.
02:13:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
02:13:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THESE ARE WHAT WE CALL AT THE CLOSING.
AM I CORRECT?
IN A BIG BUSINESS, YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
YOU LOOK AT THE BOOKS AND THINK THAT WILL HAPPEN.
BUT AFTER YOU CLOSE, THE CLOSING -- WHAT HAPPENED TO TH
MONEY SO WE CAN GET THE AFTER CLOSING -- WHERE ALL THE MONEY
CAME FROM AND WHERE IT IS BEING SPENT.
AND MAYBE MISS HAGAR CAN WORK WITH THE COUNCIL AND YOURSELF
TO GET WHAT WE ASKED FOR.
THAT'S IT.
02:13:59PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, SIR.
02:14:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST TO GO PACED ON WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT
TUESDAY NIGHT.
A BUDGET IS REALLY OUR PRIORITIES, AND I KNOW THAT SOME
COUNCILMEMBERS ARE LOOKING FOR MONEY TO BE USED IN MANY
DIFFERENT WAYS.
I THOUGHT THAT BUT JUST SEEING THIS CAN HELP US GET A BETTER
HANDLE OF THE END OF THE YEAR TO KEEP AN EYE FOR THE FUTURE.
02:14:23PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
UNDERSTOOD.
02:14:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MR. SHELBY.
02:14:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:

[INAUDIBLE]
02:14:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DID.
I MADE A MOTION TO --
[INAUDIBLE]
02:14:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, I AM SORRY, SO AFTER PEOPLE SPEAK, I
WILL MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THAT MOTION.
02:14:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOUR MICROPHONE.
02:14:51PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO ADD WE NEED A
BETTER MECHANISM OF BEING FLAGGED OF MAJOR CHANGES IN
REVENUES.
IF -- IF -- IF THE REVENUES IF, FOR EXAMPLE, A POT OF $5
MILLION AND REVENUES ABOVE PROJECTIONS.
IF THAT -- IF WE HAD -- WE HAD A DISCUSSION FOR TWO HOURS OR
WHATEVER ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS THE OTHER NIGHT.
IF THERE WAS $5 MILLION OR $10 MILLION OR MORE, WE WOULD
WANT TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY AND CITY COUNCIL DISCUSS IT.
INSTEAD -- THIS IS EXAMINATION, BUT INSTEAD $100,000 LINE
ITEM CHANGES AND NEVER SEEN THERE WAS $5 MILLION THERE.
SOMEHOW WE NEED A BETTER WAY OF FLAGGING.
NOT JUST THE TRANSACTIONS BUT WHAT IS THE CUMULATIVE TOTAL
OF THE EXCESS AND WE SHOULD KNOW IN ADVANCE TO TELL THE
COMMUNITY ABOUT IT.
02:15:45PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
GIVE YOU THE BIG PICTURE.
02:15:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I ECHO WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND
CARLSON SAID.
PART OF THE PROBLEM.
CLEARLY THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN COUNCIL AND ADMINISTRATION
IS ALWAYS YOU A WORK IN PROGRESS.
AND, YOU KNOW, TURF PROTECTION AND TRUST AND COMMONSENSE
ISSUES.
THAT DOOR SWINGS BOTH WAYS, YOU KNOW, OF WHERE PEOPLE ARE.
A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU SEE THINGS LIKE THIS, YOU WONDER --
YOU WONDER OF TRANSPARENCY ISSUES AND SOMETHING -- A HIDDEN
AGENDA.
I THINK WITH REPORTS LIKE, I THINK IT WOULD ALLEVIATE THAT
KIND OF -- YOU KNOW, THEIR CURIOSITY, LIKE, WHAT ARE THEY
TRYING TO PULL.
THAT KIND OF -- THAT -- YOU KNOW, THAT LINGERS IN THE BACK
OF THE MIND WHEN YOU SEE THESE KIND OF THINGS.
WE ARE -- WE DON'T -- WE ARE NOT IN -- IN THE TRENCHES 40
HOURS A WEEK OR 60 HOURS A WEEK LIKE YOU GUYS ARE.
WE TIP OUR TOES IN IT AND THEN PULL IT BACK OUT.
IT IS DIFFICULT FOR US TO KEEP UP AND UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU
GUYS ARE ACTUALLY DOING.
THANK YOU.
02:16:51PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
IF I CAN RESPOND.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
I THINK I AM PRETTY CLEAR OF THE PHILOSOPHY AND THE INTENT.
I JUST WROTE IT DOWN.
PROBABLY THE BIGGEST QUESTION RIGHT NOW, WHAT IS THE BEST
MECHANISM?
IF YOU LET US EXPERIMENT AND PROVIDE DRAFTS OF THE BEST
RECOMMENDATIONS.
02:17:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU WANT TO MAKE A
MOTION.
02:17:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND MY
MOTION -- SORRY, I DON'T HAVE THE DATE WHEN I MADE THE MOTION,
BUT A MOTION FOR NOVEMBER 21, THAT WOULD NOT ONLY BRING THE
ROLLOVER BUT RECEIVE A LISTING OF ALL OF THIS TYPE -- OF ALL
OF THE MOVEMENT FROM ONE -- ONE LINE ITEM TO ANOTHER FOR
THESE TYPES OF PURPOSES, FOR -- MISS COPESKY, CAN YOU HEL
ME WORD THAT?
I CAN SEE YOU THINKING ABOUT IT IN YOUR HEAD.
IF YOU CAN, FEEL FREE TO COME UP.
BUT BASICALLY, I AM THINKING OF MOVING FROM ONE BUCKET OF
MONEY TO ANOTHER BUCKET.
02:17:58PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
CAN I TRY?
PERHAPS A LIST -- I THOUGHT YOU WANTED TO BEGIN IN MONTH, A
LIST OF FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS THAT WOULD REDUCE THE
ANTICIPATED -- SORRY, REDUCE THE ACTUAL FUND BALANCE FOR
FISCAL 2024.
02:18:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS PERFECT.
DID YOU GET THAT?
THAT IS THE AMENDED MOTION I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE.
02:18:21PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
SORRY, IF I CAN SAY ONE THING.
THERE IS A CHANCE GOING BY FISCAL YEAR 23 ACE EXPERIENCE.
WE DID NOT HAVE THE BOOKS ENTIRELY CLOSED UNTIL THE END OF
NOVEMBER.
SO RATHER THAN BRING YOU A REQUEST -- A POTENTIAL REQUEST
FOR CONTINUANCE, WOULD DECEMBER BE ACCEPTABLE.
02:18:43PM >> I WILL KEEP IT AT NOVEMBER 21.
IF YOU NEED TO CONTINUE IT, THAT WILL BE ABSOLUTELY FINE
WITH ME AND LET YOUR OFFICE KNOW AS SOON AS I KNOW.
THAT IS GENERALLY AND KEEP IT ALL TOGETHER.
02:18:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION.
IS THERE A SECOND?
02:18:54PM >> SECOND.
02:18:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
DOES THIS CONCLUDE THE DISCUSSION OF THE GROUP OF FOUR OR
JUST NUMBER ONE?
02:19:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE GROUP OF 4.
I HAVE ONE MORE BECAUSE I THINK COUNCILMAN CARLSON BROUGHT
UP A REALLY GOOD POINT OF SOMETHING WE DIDN'T CONSIDER.
ALSO IN THAT NOVEMBER 21 MEETING WHICH, IF YOU NEED TO MOVE
FORWARD, WE -- YOU WILL LET ME KNOW.
I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO ALSO LOOK AT OUR REVENUE.
ALL OF OUR REVENUE SOURCES, WHAT WENT UP AND WHAT WENT DOWN.
ONLY A FINITE NUMBER OF REVENUE SOURCES.
02:19:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION.
02:19:34PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
CLARIFICATION, PROSPECTIVE --
02:19:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT HAPPENED IN '24.
WE WILL STICK WITH '24 FOR ALL OF THESE MOTIONS SO THAT WAY
THEY CAN TRAVEL TOGETHER AND IF THEY NEED TO BE CONTINUED,
LET ME KNOW.
THAT IS A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
FROM THERE, WE CAN CONSIDER WHEN WE GET THAT INFORMATION ON
AN ANNUAL BASIS WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, OPPOSED.
AT THIS TIME, I AM GOING TO THROUGH ITEMS ONE BY ONE.
ITEM NUMBER 20 IN YOUR COMMITTEE.
02:20:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, I AM -- I AM GOING TO MOVE -- YES, I
WILL MOVE ITEM -- I MOVE ITEM 28.
02:20:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION.
ITEM NUMBER 28 OF WHAT WAS PULLED.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU HAVE ITEMS 3.
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ALL RIGHT, COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAS ITEM NUMBER 34.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
AND THE LAST ITEM OF THIS BUNCH IS UNDER THE COUNCILWOMAN
HENDERSON.
ITEM NUMBER 55.
02:20:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON AND
SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
NEXT GROUP.
02:21:02PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
02:21:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WAITING FOR COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN TO COME
BACK FOR ITEM NUMBER 42.
THAT IS COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
02:21:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE NEXT ITEM STAFF REPORTS.
70 IS DONE.
TAMPA FIRE RESCUE AND THE REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT TO REPORT
ON THE STATUS OF PROPERTY FLEET MAINTENANCE BY FIRE STATION
24.
WE HAVE A MEMO FROM CHIEF TRIPP TO GIVE A VERBAL REPORT, BUT
I DON'T SEE HER HERE.
NEXT UP WE HAVE TPD, CHIEF BERCAW OR A MEMBER OF THE TAMPA
IMPLEMENT WHICH WE HAVE SEVERAL FOR ITEM NUMBER 27 REGARDING
A SAFETY AND SECURITY PLAN FOR YBOR CITY THAT WILL COMPLY
WITH THE CRA FUNDING.
ALL RIGHT, TPD WAS HERE.
02:22:16PM >> MR. MICHELINI HAD MADE A -- A RECOMMENDATION THAT, AS I
UNDERSTOOD IT.
TO BE ABLE TO USE CRA FUNDING FOR SECURITY, WE HAD TO GO
THROUGH A SECURITY PLAN AND THING WAS JUST AN UPDATE ON WHAT
THE STATUS OF THIS IS IF WE MET THE QUALIFICATION AND
THE RRA.
02:22:42PM >>CHIEF CATE:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
MAYOR CHIEF CATE AND MAJOR DeFELICE FROM THE TAMPA
DEPARTMENT.
I WILL LET MAJOR DeFELICE TALK.
WE WANT SAFETY FOR THE WHOLE CITY AND FOCUSSING THIS PART
JUST FOR YBOR.
02:23:03PM >>MAJOR DeFELICE:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
WE ARE HERE TO GO OVER THE YBOR SAFETY AND SECURITY PLAN AND
THE DISCUSSION OF THE HISTORY OF THE DEPLOYMENT FOR THAT
AREA HISTORICALLY THE YBOR DISTRICT HAS SEEN AN INCREASE IN
NIGHT LIFE PARTICULARLY IN THE WEEK ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY
WE HAVE SQUADS OFTEN THE WEEKEND TO DISCUSS THE INCIDENTS
THAT GO ON IN YBOR CITY.
MONITORING AS A WHOLE AND M.O.T. FOR TRAFFIC AND CLOSING MAN
TO GET THE PATRONS OUT OF YBOR CITY WHEN IT WAS DONE EVENTS
THAT TOOK PLACE OCTOBER 29 FOR THE NEED OF --
02:23:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CAN WE GET THE TV CAMERA ON
MAYOR DeFELICE SO THE PUBLIC CAN SEE HIM.
WE HAVE NO SIGNAL.
CAN YOU SEE YOURSELF ON YOUR SCREEN, SIR?
02:24:10PM >>MAJOR DeFELICE:
NO, SIR.
02:24:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU CAN SEE -- OKAY.
02:24:28PM >>MAJOR DeFELICE:
THERE IS A WHOLE BUNCH OF --
02:24:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THERE YOU GO.
02:24:32PM >>MAJOR DeFELICE:
A TECH WIZARD.
SAFETY AND SECURITY PLAN IS ALSO UNDER CONSTANT REVIEW
LOOKING AT BEST PRACTICES AND WHAT IS GOING TO WORK.
AND AFTER THE 29th TRAGEDY AND TO ENHANCE THE SAFETY AND
SECURITY OF THAT AREA.
AND IN THE SHORT TERM, WE INUNDATED THE AREA WITH OFFICERS
OF THE TRUST AND CALM AND MAKE SURE THAT SECURITY AND SAFETY
WAS STORED IN THAT AREA.
WE WENT AND CONDUCTED A SITE VISIT TO ORLANDO WHICH HAS A
SIMILAR DOWNTOWN AREA THAT MIRRORS OURS AND LOOKED TO SEE
WHAT THEIR BEST PRACTICES WERE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OFF -- OFF OF THAT WAS THE
MAJORITY OF THE UNITS THAT THEY USED ARE OFF-DUTY UNIT.
THEY ARE NOT USING ON-DUTY RESOURCES AND ADOPTED THAT MODEL
AS WELL.
WE UPDATED OUR SAFETY AND SECURITY PLAN.
WE NOW USE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF OFF DUTY RESOURCES THAT
COME IN TO HELP SUPPLEMENT THE ALREADY UNITS THAT ARE
WORKING IN AREA.
IT ADDRESSES SAFETY VIA AN INCREASE OF POLICE PRESENCE,
PROACTIVE PATROL, AND ADDITIONAL OPERATIONS THAT GO ON IN
THE AREA TO DETER THE CRIME.
THAT INCREASED PRESENCE, WHEN PEOPLE SEE THAT, ONLY 7th
AVENUE SURROUNDING AREA DETERS PEOPLE FROM WANTING TO COME
IN THAT DISTRICT WANTING TO DO BAD THINGS.
WE DISCUSSED THE NEED FOR PARTNERS.
WHAT WE DID, WE LOOKED AT OUR AVAILABLE RESOURCES AND
PARTNERED WITH OTHER CITY ENTITIES THAT INCLUDE TAMPA FIRE
RESCUE.
WE HAVE BIKE MEDIC ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHT.
THEY ARE ABLE TO CUT THROUGH THE TRAFFIC AND MANDEL MEDICAL
CALLS FOR SERVICE MUCH MORE EFFICIENTLY THAN BEFORE.
WE UTILIZE THE FIRE MARSHAL AND THAT IS THE KEY IN OCCUPANCY
OF SOME OF THE CLUBS AND ESTABLISHMENTS THAT MAY BE GOING
OVER AND CAUSING A PROBLEM TO THE OVERALL FLIGHT IN THE
AREA.
AND WE US WILL CODE ENFORCEMENT.
CODE ENFORCEMENT COMES OUT WITH US ON A WEEKLY BASIS.
THEY ARE WITH US AND THEY USUALLY HAVE TWO OFFICERS AS WELL
AS A SUPERVISOR THAT COME OUT AND LOOKING AT ANY AND ALL
CODE VIOLATIONS WHICH KEEP THE BUSINESSES OPERATING
PROPERLY.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS WE HAVE SEEN ARE QUEUE LINES AND
WHY THAT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE SIDEWALK SPACE IS TAKEN UP
BY AN UNRULY LINE AND MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR PATRONS TO PASS
THROUGH SINCE WE DO KEEP THE ROADS OPEN AS LONG AS WE CAN
NOW.
ALSO THE YES TEAM.
THE YES TEAM IS INSTRUMENTAL DOWN THERE TO HIGHLIGHT THEIR
IMPORTANCE.
A LOT OF THE CONCERNS ARE QUALITY OF LIFE DRIVEN.
WE HAD A GRAFFITI ARTIST DOWN THERE.
AND A LARGER UNDERWORLD TO THAT AND TAGGING A LOT OF PLACES
IN YBOR CITY CONTRIBUTING TO OVERALL BLIGHT.
ABLE TO UTILIZE ONE OF THE -- ONE OF THE YES TEAM MEMBERS
WITH THE INFORMATION THEY HAD AND ABLE TO SOLVE A CRIME BY
GIVING US VALUABLE INFORMATION THAT LED TO THE IDENTITY OF
ONE OF THOSE PERPETRATORS.
WHEN I SAY WHY THAT IS A BIG DEAL, IT IS BECAUSE HE WAS 15
-- ABOUT 15 OF THE TAGGING INCIDENTS WERE ATTRIBUTED TO HIM
BECAUSE THEY USE UNIQUE MONIKERS AND 15 TO HIM AND EIGHT
CLOSURES WITH ANOTHER PERSON ARRESTED FOR IT.
SO WE SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE UTILIZATION OF OUR CITY
ENTITIES COMING TOGETHER AND WORKING COLLABORATIVELY HAVE
SEEN AND PAID DIVIDENDS IN THAT DISTRICT.
WE PLAN TO INCREASE THE CAMERA SYSTEM AND TECHNOLOGY IN THE
DISTRICT, WHICH IS GOING TO TAKE OUR NUMBER OF CAMERAS AND
ESSENTIALLY TRIPLE IT.
PROVIDE FOR GREATER COVERAGE.
OUR RTTC CAN MONITOR THAT AREA AND SEE THINGS BEFORE THEY
HAPPEN.
IF THINGS DON'T LOOK RIGHT, THEY ARE ABLE TO LET OFFICERS
KNOW THAT IT IS A PLACE THAT OFFICERS ARE NOT CURRENTLY
STANDING OR PATROLLING AND THEY ARE ABLE TO ALERT THEM TO
IT, AS WELL AS IT LET'S US GET MORE EVIDENCE.
SO WHEN CRIMES DO OCCUR, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PLAY TAPES
BACK, GET THAT VIDEO SURVEILLANCE WHICH LEADS TO HIGHER
CLOSURE RATES FOR CRIMES THAT ARE COMMITTED IN THE AREA CRA
FUNDING.
CURRENTLY THE CRA FUNDS $250,000 AND CONTRIBUTE THAT TO THE
OFFICERS THAT WORK IN AN OFF-DUTY CAPACITY TO COME IN WHEN
THEY ARE NOT WORKING.
WE ARE LOOKING FOR MORE TECHNOLOGY, CAMERAS, ETC., NOISE
DETECTION EQUIPMENT TO HELP BOLSTER WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
ONE OF THE GOOD THINGS ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY WE HAVE IN PLACE
IS THAT IT IS UPSCALABLE MEANING WE CAN ADD THINGS TO DO IT
OPPOSED TO BUYING EQUIPMENT AND DOWN THE LINE HAVING TO
REPLACE THE EQUIPMENT.
WE CAN UPGRADE IT VERY EASILY AND ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF
HAVING THAT.
WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR MORE FUNDING FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT
AND TAMPA FIRE RESCUE TO HAVE THEM DOWN THERE ON A MORE
FREQUENT AND REGULAR BASIS.
ALSO LOOKING TO EXPAND THE YES TEAM.
THE VALUE THEY PROVIDE DOWN THERE BEING AMBASSADORS.
THEY ARE EYES AND EARS AND ACT AS WE WOULD SEEING THINGS AND
BEING ABLE TO REPORT IT TO US QUICKER THAT WILL ALLOW US TO
HAVE A QUICKER RESPONSE.
THE OVERALL SAFETY AND SECURITY PLAN.
AND WE ARE PREPARED TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM.
02:30:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE DO NOT HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE
STAFF REPORTS.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
02:30:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF I COULD.
MR. MICHELINI WAS THE ONE THAT ASKED FOR THIS.
I WONDER IF WE CAN ASK HIM IF THIS ANSWERS HIS QUESTION THAT
HE HAD THAT MEETS THAT CRITERIA.
02:30:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WILL BE DONE OFF-SITE --
02:30:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.
02:30:28PM >>LUIS VIERA:
REQUEST FOR MICHELINI.
I AM FINE WITH THAT.
IT IS YOUR MOTION.
02:30:36PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I MAKE A MOTION TO ASK -- THE IDEA OF THIS
CAME FROM MR. MICHELINI.
I WANT TO KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTIONS THAT HE HAD
RELATED TO THIS.
02:30:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION AND A SECOND.
02:30:46PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THEY DIDN'T SAY YES OR NO.
02:30:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
ALL RIGHT, MR. MICHELINI.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?
DOES THIS SATISFY THE --
02:31:00PM >> I THINK -- THE QUESTION RELATED TO THE CRA FUNDING.
AND WHEN WE MET WITH THE POLICE CHIEF AND MAYOR DeFELICE,
WOULD APPRECIATE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THE ACTIVITIES HE
JUST OUTLINED.
TO GET CRA FUNDING, YOU HAVE TO MAKE A FINDING FROM CITY
COUNCIL AND REFER IT TO THE CRA FOR THAT REQUEST TO BE
CONSIDERED.
AND THAT -- THAT IS WHAT -- THAT IS WHY IT WAS BROUGHT TO
THE CITY COUNCIL FIRST.
AND SO, YES, THIS -- THE -- THE ACTION PLAN HE LAID OUT, I
THINK QUALIFIES WHAT THE CITY REQUIRES TO REFER IT OVER TO
CRA FOR CONSIDERATION OF ADDITIONAL FUNDING.
02:31:44PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF I COULD.
DOES ANYBODY FROM LEGAL OR STAFF KNOW -- MR. MASSEY, DO YOU
KNOW WHAT FORM THAT WOULD TAKE?
DO YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF MOTION WE NEED TO MAKE?
02:31:56PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
MORRIS MASSEY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
WHAT THE CRA STATUTE, THAT THE CRA CAN FUND COMMUNITY
POLICING ACTIVITIES.
AND COMMUNITY POLICING ACTIVITIES ARE DEFINED IN THE STATUTE
AS -- AS TPD TYPE OF ACTIVITIES NOT PRIVATE SECURITY TYPE OF
ACTIVITIES.
INCREASED SECURITY OVER AND ABOVE WHAT WOULD NORMAL ALLEY BE
PROVIDED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA.
02:32:20PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DOES CITY COUNCIL NEED TO MAKE A MOTION?
02:32:23PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO APPROVE A PLAN
PROPOSED BY TPD.
YOU ALREADY PROVIDING -- THE CRA IS ALREADY PROVIDING
$250,000 FOR YBOR 1 FOR COMMUNITY POLICING EFFORTS.
IF THAT PLAN REQUIRES ADDITIONAL FUNDING AND IF THERE IS
ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR YBOR 1 AND 2, WE CAN LOOK TO AMEND
THE BUDGET AND PROVIDING ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO IMPLEMENT THOSE
POLICIES.
02:32:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
02:32:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO MAKE SURE -- I AM NOT AGAINST
THIS AT ALL.
BUT THE SAME SEVEN MEMBERS SERVE AS CITY COUNCIL SERVE AS
THE CRA.
IF WE ASK THEM -- OR THE CRA SUPPOSED TO ASK US.
02:33:07PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
CITY COUNCIL HAS TO BLESS THE PLAN THAT
THE TPD BROUGHT FORWARD.
ONCE YOU BLESS THE PLAN, WE HAVE TO COST OUT HOW MUCH IT
WILL COST TO IMPLEMENT IT.
IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL FUNDING REQUIRED, THAT REQUEST, ONCE
THE PLAN HAS BEEN APPROVED BY Y'ALL'S COUNCIL, IT CAN MOVE
FORWARD TO THE CRA FOR THAT FUNDING REQUEST.
02:33:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
FOR THEM TO ASK US WHEN WE SIT AT THE CRA
BOARD?
02:33:31PM >> LET ME JUST MAKE ONE STATEMENT TO BE CLEAR.
THIS WAS NOT FOR PRIVATE PROPERTIES.
THIS IS FOR THE ENTIRE YBOR CITY DISTRICT.
THAT HAS AWAY I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
02:33:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, MAKE A MOTION TO THE
EFFECT OF WHAT MR. MASSEY DISCUSSED?
02:33:46PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH.
MOTION TO APPROVE THE PLAN -- THE -- WHAT WAS IT, THE PUBLIC
SAFETY PLAN PRESENTED --
02:33:56PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
COMMUNITY POLICING PLAN.
02:33:58PM >>BILL CARLSON:
APPROVE THE COMMUNITY POLICING PLAN
PRESENTED BY TPD AND REQUEST THE -- THE CRA BOARD AND STAFF
TO CONSIDER SUPPORTING IT WITH FUNDING.
02:34:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF YOU CAN INCLUDE THE TWO NAMES OF THE
POLICE OFFICERS MAYOR DeFELICE AND DEPUTY CHIEF CATE.
02:34:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
AS PRESENTED BY THE TWO POLICE OFFICERS.
02:34:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I MOTION TO DIVIDE IT INTO TWO.
ONE TO APPROVE THE PLAN AND THE SECOND FOR THE CRA FUNDING.
02:34:27PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MOTION -- WITHDRAW THE OTHER MOTION.
MOTION TO APPROVE --
02:34:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DIVIDE THE QUESTION AND HAVE IT AS TWO
DIFFERENT QUESTIONS.
02:34:34PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MOTION TO APPROVE THE COMMUNITY POLICING
PLAN FOR YBOR AS PRESENTED BY THE TWO OFFICERS TODAY.
02:34:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION AND A SECOND.
SAME FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
NOW THE CRA.
02:34:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE CAN'T OBLIGATE THE CRA BUT JUST ASK.
MOTION TO ASK THE CRA BOARD TO CONSIDER SUPPORTING THIS PLAN
WITH FUNDING.
02:34:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
CARLSON.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
02:35:01PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SECOND.
02:35:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED IN.
02:35:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NAY.
02:35:06PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
NAY.
02:35:12PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
MAY I SUGGEST NOW THAT THE PLAN HAS BEEN
APPROVED FOR TPD TO COME BEFORE THE CRA BOARD WITH DETAILS
ABOUT WHAT ADDITIONAL FUNDING MAY BE REQUIRED TO IMPLEMENT A
PLAN AND THEN THE CRA CAN ACT UPON THAT AT THAT TIME.
THAT MAY BE THE MORE APPROPRIATE WAY TO HANDLE THIS.
JUST A SUGGESTION.
02:35:29PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF I CAN JUST MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT.
WE CAN DRILL INTO ALL OF THIS AND HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION ON
ANOTHER DAY.
AND I APPRECIATE.
I KNOW THE OFFICER ARE AVAILABLE OFF LINE TO TALK TO US AS
WELL.
THE REASON -- ONE REASON TO CONSIDER MORE FUND IN YBOR, A
CONCERN OF PLACES LIKE SOUTH HOWARD THAT LIMITED RESOURCE
BEING MOVED FROM ONE AREA TO THE OTHER.
IF WE ARE ABLE TO BETTER COVER MULTIPLE AREAS OF THE CITY AT
THE SAME TIME WITH ADDITIONAL FUNDING AND THE FEELING IN
YBOR IS SO DESPERATE THAT THE GROUP OF BUSINESS OWNERS
LOBBIED THE STATE FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TO DO THIS.
WE WILL SEE WHAT THE STATE COMES FORWARD WITH.
IF WE CAN DO OUR BEST WITH TPD BECAUSE OUR FOLKS ARE THERE
EVERY DAY AND KNOW HOW TO SOLVE THE ISSUES.
THANK YOU.
02:36:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MR. MASSEY.
02:36:19PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
YES, MA'AM.
02:36:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE LENGTH OF TIME BEFORE THE YBOR 1 SUNSETS.
02:36:25PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE POLICE.
2041.
LITTLE AFTER THE 2034 THAT MOST OF THE OTHERS LAPSE.
THEY GO LATER.
FIVE TO SIX YEARS.
02:36:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY, SO -- SO ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO
LOOK AT WHILE I APPRECIATE THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING AND WE CAN
ADD ADDITIONAL FUNDING.
WHILE ADDING ADDITIONAL FUNDING, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO
START HAVING THE CONVERSATION WHAT HAPPENS WIN THAT FUNDING
DISAPPEARS.
ANY TIME YOU ADD ANYTHING ADDITIONAL, PEOPLE EXPECT IT.
SO HOW WE DO THAT GOING FORWARD IS OF MAJOR CONCERN TO ME.
NOT SAYING WE DON'T NEED THAT.
WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE GOING FORWARD FOR THE CITY?
02:37:08PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THAT'S CORRECT.
ONE OTHER THING AND MORE IMPORTANT FOR THE CRA BOARD MEMBER.
AMOUNT OF TIF DOLLARS FROM YBOR 1 AND 2 IS MUCH MORE LIMITED
THAN A LOT OF THE OTHER CRAs.
YOU GOT OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE ONGOING LIKE THE REBRICKING
OF 7th.
OTHER INITIATIVES THAT WE MAY HAVE -- WITH YOU ALL AS
POLICYMAKERS MAY HAVE TO WEIGH WHERE YOU WANT THE DOLLARS TO
GO.
BECAUSE THERE IS A LIMIT ON HOW MUCH TIF DOLLARS WE HAVE
AVAILABLE IN THOSE AREAS.
02:37:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THAT CONCLUDES EVERYTHING, COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
ALL RIGHT, WE WILL GO BACK TO 40 AND 42.
ITEMS PULLED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOR DISCUSSION.
02:37:48PM >> MR. MANISCALCO, CAN I ADD ONE THING.
OUR COMMITMENT TO SAFETY AND SECURITY AND LET YOU KNOW THAT
WE HAVE A TOWN HALL TUESDAY COMING UP CENTRO ESTURIANO.
IF ANYBODY FROM CITY COUNCIL OR PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO COME,
ALL T PD STAFF WILL BE THERE.
02:38:11PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY.
02:38:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD.
02:38:14PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I DON'T KNOW IF THE FIRE ITEM WAS SUPPOSED TO
COME -- BECAUSE CHIEF TRIPP --
02:38:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THESE ITEMS ARE BEFORE.
WE ONLY MOVED THEM OUT BECAUSE COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN WAS OUT
OF THE ROOM.
WE WILL GO TO 40 AND 42.
YES, MA'AM.
02:38:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
THE REASON I PULLED 40 AND 42, IS -- THEY KIND OF GO
TOGETHER.
THEY ARE BOTH LEASE AGREEMENTS BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE CITY
OF TAMPA UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA THE CITY OWNS PROPERTY
SURROUNDED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA.
AND WE LEASE IT TO THEM.
APPEAR THIS NEW -- AND THAT HAS HAPPENED FOR 50 YEARS, AND
THE NEW LEASE THAT HAS COME UP -- IN THE FIRST YEAR OF THE
DATE OF THE AMENDMENT.
THE TEN,T.
THE FIRST PAGE OF THE RENEWAL OF THE LEASE AGREEMENT.
ONE YEAR, TENANT MAY ELECT TO TAKE FEE TITLE TO THE PREMISE
BY PROVIDING WRITTEN NOTICE TO THE LANDLORD.
UPON SENTENCE OF SUCH NOTICE BY THE LANDLORD, LANDLORD WILL
CONVEY THE PREMISES TO THE TENANT FOR NO ADDITIONAL
CONSIDERATION.
WHICH MEANS NO MONEY.
SO I -- NOWHERE IN THIS LEASE AGREEMENT SAY WHAT WE ARE
GETTING IN RETURN FOR THIS.
SO MY CONCERN, FIRST OF ALL, IS THAT WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH
THIS PROPERTY IS WORTH GIVING AWAY SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T
KNOW WHAT IS WORTH.
I WANTED TO ASK STAFF IF AN APPRAISAL HAS BEEN DONE ON THIS
PROPERTY.
02:39:46PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
GOOD AFTERNOON, ABBYE FEELEY, DIRECTOR OF
ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
IF I MAY FOR JUST A MOMENT KIND OF GIVE A FORM OF THE TWO
LEASE DISCUSSIONS THAT ARE BEFORE YOU IN RELATION TO THE
UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
02:40:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN WE FIRST TALK OF THE FIRST ONE.
02:40:08PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
AN APPRAISAL WAS NOT DONE.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THE PROPERTY, THE HOLE IN THE DOUGHNUT.
THE CITY OWNS THE PROPERTY THAT McKAY AUDITORIUM IS LOCATED
ON.
THE AUDITORIUM BURNT DOWN IN THE EARLY 1990s AND THE
UNIVERSITY REBUILT IT AT THEIR FULL COST OF, I BELIEVE IT
WAS UPWARDS OF $10 MILLION.
THEY HAVE OWNED, OPERATED AND MAINTAINED THAT FACILITY.
NOT A CITY BUILDING.
IT IS CITY LAND, BUT THAT BUILDING HAS BEEN THEIR BUILDING
FOR ALL OF THESE YEARS.
IN RELATION TO THE LEASE, THERE HAVE BEEN A 50-YEAR LEASE.
A LEASE -- WE WERE JUST LAUGHING ABOUT AT LUNCH, IN EFFECT
BEFORE MANY OF US WERE BORN.
AND IT CAME UP A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO THAT THE LEASE WAS
APPROACHING ITS EXPIRATION.
AND MUCH LIKE HOW WE DISCUSSED NEXT THIS MORNING, WE ENTERED
INTO NEXT WITH THE UNIVERSITY.
IT WAS REBECCA JOHNS AND MYSELF TO GO TO THE TABLE WITH
THEM.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT NOT ONLY WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN 50 YEARS,
BUT WHERE WE ARE GOING IN THE NEXT 50 YEARS.
BECAUSE IS THIS REALLY WAS DEALING WITH MORE THAN JUST
McKAY.
IT WAS DEALING WITH PLANT PARK, THAT WE ARE GOING TO TALK
ABOUT ALSO, AND OUR NEEDS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE RIVER.
OUR NEEDS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE RIVER WITH THE CITY AND
THE BUILD GRANT AND THE FOURTH RIVERWALK.
ONLY A PART OF THAT RIVERFRONT IS IN PLANT PARK, IT WHICH IS
A HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED PARK.
THE OTHER FRONT IS FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA PROPERTY.
WE NEEDED AN EASEMENT FROM THEM.
AN EASEMENT LARGER THAN THE EASEMENTS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IN
ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE BUILD GRANT AND THE DESIGN FOR
THE WEST RIVERWALK.
THOSE WERE SOME OF OUR PRIORITIES IN THE DISCUSSIONS THE
LAST PART OF THAT DISCUSSION IS A DAWN TO DOES PROGRAM
VISION --
02:42:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO GET TO THAT.
02:42:19PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ALL OF THE PIECES WORK TOGETHER.
02:42:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GO BACK TO 42 BECAUSE I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR
DIRECTOR OF PARK BEFORE I GET TO YOU.
02:42:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO TO GET TO 42, THE LEASE FOR PLANT PARK AND
WE OWN.
AND THE CITY AND THE UNIVERSITY HAS BEEN TAKEN CARE OF FOR
YEARS.
SO THIS WOULD CONVEY THE ABILITY FOR THE UNIVERSITY TO
CONTINUE TO USE THE -- TO USE THE PARK BUT TO ALLOW THE CITY
TO USE -- SHOULD ONLY BE USED FOR PROVEN PROFIT QUASI PROFIT
PROGRAMMED BY THE TENANT.
AND ALLOW THE PREMISE FROM TIME TO TIME TO BE UTILIZED
SUBJECT TO SCHEDULING USE THROUGH THE TENANT'S WEB SITE AND
DIGITAL RESERVATION SYSTEM.
SUCH USE WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE REASONABLE INSURANCE
REQUIREMENTS AND RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR USE OF THE
PREMISES BY THE PUBLIC AS RECENTLY ESTABLISHED BY THE TENANT
FROM TIME TO TIME.
PROVIDED, HOWEVER, SUCH RULES AND REGULATIONS SHOULD NOT
PREVENT THE PUBLIC FROM REASONABLE USE OF THE PREMISE.
MY QUESTION FOR MR. MULKEY IS, WHY DON'T -- IT SOUNDS LIKE
THEY WILL BE MAKING THE DECISION WHO CAN AND CANNOT USE THE
PARK.
WHY CAN'T WE RETAIN CONTROL OF THE PARK AND HAVE THEM ASK --
OR HAVE EVERYONE ASK IF WHAT THEY NEED WHEN THEY WANT TO USE
THE PARK.
02:43:53PM >>TONY MULKEY:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL, TONY MULKEY, PARKS
AND RECREATION DIRECTOR.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, THIS IS JUST TRADITIONAL OPERATIONS OF
THE PARK.
THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST PARKS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
PLANT PARK WAS THE ORIGINAL HOME OF THE ZOO.
A VERY RICH HISTORY, THE PAST 50 YEARS OR SO AS INITIATED
THROUGH THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA AGREEMENT, IT HAS BEEN
MAINTAINED, CONTROLLED BY THE UNIVERSITY WE EXPLORED AND HAD
CONVERSATIONS HOW THIS LOOKS FOR DIFFERENT ENTITIES COMING
TO US AND A LOT CLEANER TO HAVE IT WHERE THEY HAVE KIND OF
PRIMARY CONTROL OVER THIS.
SOME OF THE HISTORY OF THIS IS WITH EVENTS THAT WANTED TO
UTILIZE THIS SPACE AND WERE TOLD NOW.
THIS DATES BACK -- THAT LETTER HAS BEEN REPEATED MULTIPLE
TIMES THROUGH SEVERAL ADMINISTRATIONS BEFORE CURTIS HIXON
WAS ESTABLISHED AS AN EVENT PARK AND ADDED TO POUR INVENTORY
A LITTLE BIT AND THE ORIGINAL EVENT HAS MORPHED THROUGH
DIFFERENT CONTROL GROUPS DURING THIS TIME AND FOUND A NICE
HOME AT PERRY SHARI PARK.
IT HAS ACTUALLY WORKED OUT -- HARVEY PARK.
IT HAS ACTUALLY WORKED OUT AND WE HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH THE
UNIVERSITY FOR EVENTS ALONG THE WAY AND THEY HAVE THAT
PRIMARY CONTROL AND MAINTENANCE ASPECT TO IT.
AND IT HAS WORKED OUT FOR THE MOST PART.
IS IT PERFECT?
IT ISN'T.
IT IS A CITY PLOT AND THEY DO MAINTAIN IT AND CONTROL IT AND
THEIR UNIVERSITY OPERATIONS WITH SECURITY CONCERNS AND
ACCESS CONCERNS.
IT IS NOT A GREAT EVENT PARK.
NOT REALLY BUILT THAT WAY, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OTHER
OPTIONS NOW.
02:45:34PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
CAN I TODAY THAT --
02:45:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST HAVE A FEW.
02:45:40PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
JUST WANT TO ADDED TO THAT.
THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE PARK.
ALL THE ROADS AROUND IT IS UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA PROPERTY.
SO UNLIKE JULIAN B. LANE WHERE YOU PULL IN, AND A
PARK PARKING LOT AND PUBLIC REST ROOMS AND OTHER THINGS,
LOGISTICALLY THIS IS A CHALLENGE OF THIS LOOKING AND FEELING
LIKE A CITY PARK.
THERE ARE NO PUBLIC REST ROOMS AVAILABLE AT THAT PARK.
THERE IS NO PARKING.
THE PARKING IS -- IF YOU ARE PARKING ON THE UNIVERSITY
PROPERTY AND THROUGH -- WE TOLD YOU OF THE NEGOTIATIONS WHEN
THE ISSUE OF THE PUBLIC PARK CAME UP.
WHAT I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THROUGH THIS NEXT, WE HAVE WORKED
TO NOW FORMALIZE THE PROCESS WITH THEM AND THAT IS PART OF
THE AGREEMENT ON U.T.'S WEB SITE WHEN PEOPLE ARE MAKING
PUBLIC REQUEST, NOT A FORMALIZED PROCESS HOW THAT WILL BE
DONE BEFORE AND NOW AS PART OF THESE DISCUSSIONS OVER THE
PAST TWO YEARS, A FORMALIZED PROCESS FOR MANAGING THAT
REQUEST.
AND PROVIDING INSURANCE AND OTHER THINGS JUST LIKE WE DO IF
YOU ARE COMING TO OUR PARK FOR THE A SPECIAL EVENT OF SOME
SORT.
02:46:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
TO GO FURTHER THOUGH, WHEN I STARTED TO RESEARCH THIS AND
TALKED TO MR. MULKEY AND OTHER FOLKS, IT CAME TO THE
CONSIDERATION OF THE BEST RIVERWALK.
AND THE NEED TO -- AND THEIR STUDENT SAFETY TO CLOSE DOWN
PORTIONS OF THE NEW WEST RIVERWALK FROM MIDNIGHT TO 5 A.M.
WHAT I FOUND OUT, THAT IS NOT THE ONLY PARCEL GOING TO BE
CLOSING DOWN ON THE REST OF THE RIVERWALK.
WILL MULTIFAMILY, CAN YOU TELL US OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES
THERE ARE GOING TO HAVE THEIR GATES CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC ON
THIS NEW $54 MILLION RIVERWALK.
02:47:38PM >>TONY MULKEY:
TONY MULKEY, PARKS AND RECREATION.
I DON'T KNOW THE WHOLE TERMS OF ALL THE EASEMENT.
WE HAVE ONE SECTION HERE.
I FORGET THE NAME OF THE PROPERTY BUT THE PROPERTY --
02:47:53PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THE MANOR OF WEST RIVER WALK THAT DOES THE
ROOSTING NEST AND ALL OF THAT RIGHT THERE.
BECAUSE -- I -- I WOULD HAVE TO SAY, WE ARE NOT DONE WITH
THOSE NEGOTIATIONS OF THOSE EASEMENTS YET FOR THAT WEST
RIVERWALK.
REBECCA AND I ARE LOOKING AT -- WHAT DO YOU MEAN AND WHAT
ARE YOU ASKING?
02:48:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD.
02:48:14PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION?
02:48:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGAIN, I WAS TOLD THAT SOME MORE PORTIONS,
INCLUDING THE RELATED GROUP PROPERTY AND SOME SCHOOLS WOULD
HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH BEING OPEN.
02:48:25PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I MEAN WE JUST -- AS PART OF THE STADIUM
REDID THE ENTIRE PIECE TO PUT THE SOCCER STADIUM THERE AND I
SAW THE OTHER DAY THIS HAD THE NEW RIVERWALK DESIGN THAT WAS
COMPLETED AND WALKING ON IT.
02:48:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT HAS BEEN OPEN.
02:48:46PM >>TONY MULKEY:
IF I CAN INTERJECT A LITTLE BIT.
THE CURRENT AGREEMENT FOR THAT STRETCH DOES HAVE ACCESS BUT
DOESN'T CONNECT TO ANYTHING.
SO AS THE DEVELOPMENT MOVES FORWARD, AND THAT IS -- THAT IS
IN PLACE AT THE MOMENT.
02:49:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO MY POINT ABOUT ALL OF THIS.
TWO PROPERTIES OWNED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT HAVE BEEN
UNDERLEASED OR UNDER -- YEAH, SORRY, A LEASE AGREEMENT FOR
50 YEARS.
AND NOW YOU ARE COMING TO US WITH AN AGREEMENT ABOUT USING
PUBLIC SPACE.
THAT THE PUBLIC HAS NOT HAD A RIGHT TO -- TO PUT ANY INPUT
ON SO WE HAVE A PUBLIC PARK THAT IS OWNED BY THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
I THINK THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN BEFORE WE
AGREE TO GIVE IT TO THEM FOR ANOTHER 25 YEARS TO THE
UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
THAT IS THE ONE THING WE HAVEN'T DONE, TALK TO THE PUBLIC
HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS SPACE.
THE PUBLIC MAY WANT THIS SPACE SOLD TO THE UNIVERSITY OF.
WE HAVEN'T HEARD.
THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THIS WEST RIVERWALK, THIS PARK WILL BE
A LOT MORE INTEGRAL TO THE CITY AS IT GOES FORWARD AND I AM
NOT COMFORTABLE APPROVING A 25-YEAR LEASE THAT THE PUBLIC
HAD ONLY HAD THE ABILITY TO HEAR ABOUT THROUGH READING IT ON
A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM.
SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THESE
TWO -- AND I KNOW MR. CLENDENIN HAS MORE TO SPEAK TO ON
THIS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THESE TWO ITEMS BE CONTINUED FOR THE
NEXT MONTH OR SO WE CAN HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING SO THE
COMMUNITY CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT
PARK BECOME.
02:50:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MAY I -- JUST FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.
I GO TO THAT PARK OFTEN.
OVER THE YEARS, OFTEN.
I GO TO THE ROCKING CHAIRS ON THE VERANDA.
I NEVER HAVE BEEN TRESPASS AT NIGHT.
I HAVE GONE DURING THE DAY AND TIED HAMMOCKS UP TO THE TREES
ALONG THE WATER.
I NEVER HAVE BEEN TOLD ANYTHING.
I HAVE GONE 10:00 AT NIGHT.
I HAVE GONE 9 A.M. ON A SUNDAY.
I MEAN, HE ALWAYS SEE IT AS A PUBLIC SPACE.
BUT I DON'T PARK ON THE PROPERTY.
WALK FROM CITY HALL.
IF I PARK, I PARK WHERE THE OXFORD EXCHANGE IS AT AND COME
OVER.
I NEVER EVEN HAVE SECURITY -- BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE LITTLE
GOLF CARTS.
THEY NEVER SAID ANYTHING.
I HAVE GONE WITH PEOPLE AND GONE AND TAKEN PHOTOS.
SOMEONE I KNOW TOOK ENGAGEMENT PHOTOS.
NO ONE EVER SAID ANYTHING.
02:51:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, BUT IF THEIR CONCERN IS SECURITY -- WE
HAD CONCERNS OF PEOPLE WANTING TO USE THE PARK.
WE HAD CONCERNS -- I AM CONCERNED ABOUT SHUTTING OFF ACCESS
TO THE RIVERWALK.
AND I THINK THAT IF A NEXT HAS BEEN MADE, THAT THE PUBLIC
NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN ON IF THEY ARE OKAY WITH THESE
NEGOTIATIONS.
02:51:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHAT ABOUT THE AUDITORIUM SIZE.
02:51:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE A AUDITORIUM, I AM LEAVING THAT TO MR.
CLENDENIN.
FOR ME THIS IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE.
THIS IS A PUBLIC PARK.
YOU ARE RIGHT, I AM DOING THE SAME THING.
TO ME THE ISSUE, CLOSE A GATE ON THE RIVERWALK AND IT WILL
BE MORE DANGEROUS BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL SIMPLY TRESPASS AROUND
IT.
IF YOU CLOSE A GATE ON THE RIVERWALK, I AM SIMPLY GOING TO
GO AROUND IT AND THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE WILL DO.
AGAIN, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE PUBLIC DESERVES TO HAVE
INPUT AND I BELIEVE WE SHOULD HAVE YOU A PUBLIC EVENING
MEETING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS TO SEE FROM THIS
PARK BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO HAVE INPUT FOR 50
YEARS ON HOW TO USE THE PARK.
02:52:23PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, RESPECTFULLY, THIS IS
HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED PARK, PLANT PARK, AND NOT ELIGIBLE
FOR PROGRAMMING BEYOND WHAT YOU SEE THERE BECAUSE OF THE
HISTORIC DESIGNATION.
WE CAN MAKE THAT CONVERSATION.
I WANTON MAKE CLEAR THEY ALWAYS HAD THE RIGHT TO CLOSE IT
FROM DUSK TO DAWN FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS AND THEY DON'T.
AT THAT PARK THREE TIMES A WEEK.
I LIVE IN RIVERSIDE, I RIDE HIGH BIKE THERE.
I SIT IN THE HAMMOCKS.
IT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND THIS WILL REMAIN OPEN TO THE
PUBLIC.
THIS DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO -- IF IT IS THE PRESSURE
FOR THE COUNCIL AND A MOTION FOR THAT HEARING, I WILL GET
DENNIS FERNANDEZ BECAUSE THIS IS HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER PARKS LIKE THAT OR ANY
PARKS LIKE THAT.
BECAUSE OF HIXON JUST BECAUSE OF ITS LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
I WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION SO YOU ARE MAKING
DECISIONS BASED ON ALL THE INFORMATION.
02:53:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APPRECIATE THAT.
TO ME, THAT IS NOT THE POINT.
I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT INTO A DESTINATION LIKE AN EVENT
PARK.
I WANT THE PUBLIC WHO HAD NOT HIM PACT WHAT TO DO WITH THIS
BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN UNDER A LEASE WITH THE UNIVERSITY.
I UNDERSTAND IT IS OPEN, BUT I WOULD STILL LIKE THE PUBLIC
TO BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN.
NOW, AGAIN, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ON
THIS.
BUT I THINK FOLKS SHOULD WEIGH IN ON HOW WE ARE NEGOTIATING
THIS FOR CLOSING HOURS.
AND SO FORTH.
SOME THAT -- THAT IS THE REASON THAT I SUGGEST THIS.
BUT I AM GOING TO LEAVE IT TO OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS.
02:54:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON DO YOU HAVE YOUR
MICROPHONE ON?
02:54:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WOW.
JUST WOW.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, CITY OF TAMPA IS CHANGING.
AND WE ARE ENGAGING AREAS OF THE CITY THAT NEVER HAVE BEEN
ENGAGED BEFORE IN TOTALLY DIFFERENT AND UNIQUE WAYS JUST
BECAUSE IT WORKED FOR LAST 50 YEARS DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT
WILL WORK FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS.
THE CITY COUNCIL IN A VERY RISKY VOTE, VOTED TO INVEST A
SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THE WEST RIVERWALK TO ENGAGE
THE WEST SIDE OF THE RIVER AND TOP PROMOTE DIFFERENT TYPES
OF ACTIVITIES ON THAT SIDE.
OBVIOUSLY THIS PARK IS A PART OF THAT.
I WILL GET TO THE PARK FIRST AND THEN WHAT I AM
MOSTLY PASSIONATE ABOUT.
THIS IS IMPORTANT PART OF WHAT WE ARE DOING AND INTEGRAL
PART OF THE NORTH-SOUTH CORRIDOR.
I AGREE WITH THE CHAIRMAN.
I LIVE WALKING DISTANCE OF THIS PARK.
I OUT THIS PARK.
I DON'T PARK ON THE PROPERTY, BUT I USE THE PARK IN ITS
CURRENT FORECAST.
I AM A LITTLE SHOCKED OF THE RESTRICTIONS THAT I SAW OF THE
CONTROL THAT IS GRANTED.
BUT I AM GOING TO TRANSITION AWAY FROM THE PARK BECAUSE I
THINK COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK CAPTURED EXACTLY WHAT NEEDED TO BE
CAPTURED OF THE PUBLIC USE OF THIS PROPERTY.
MY ISSUE -- DURING NEW BUSINESS, I AM GOING TO INTRODUCE
SOMETHING ABOUT HOW WE DISPOSE OF PROPERTIES AND HOW WE
TRANSFER OR SELL PROPERTIES.
BUT I TALKED BENEFIT OF BEING IN THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM.
THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN PULLED BY STAFF TO BE DISCUSSED.
HAVING -- ONE, THE RENEWABLE LEASE OF PROPERTY THAT IS
LEASED FOR -- YOU KNOW, FOR ALMOST 50 PLUS YEARS BECAUSE THE
LEASE EXPIRED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO IS ONE THING.
BUT HAVING THAT CLAUSE IN THERE AS AN ASSET WOULD TRANSFER
FOR FREE FROM CITY HAND TO PRIVATE HAND REALLY NEEDED TO BE
BET FLUSHED OUT AND DISCUSSED AMONG THE PUBLIC AND COUNCIL
ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS.
I UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENTS.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I CLARIFY THIS.
UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA IS A GREAT PARTNER WITH CITY OF TAMPA.
GREAT ASSET WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WONDERFUL TO HAVE IT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND WOULD, WITH
THEM IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
IT IS ONE OF OUR JEWELS.
THAT BEING SAID, THE SEVEN OF US UP HERE AND THE FOLKS THAT
WORK IN THE -- IN ADMINISTRATION, WE ARE THE CUSTODIANS OF
-- OF THE ASSETS FOYER FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WE ARE THE VOICES THAT REPRESENT THESE ASSETS.
AND THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA HAS HAD FAIR USE OF THIS
PROPERTY FOR 50-PLUS YEARS AND OTHER PARCELS.
WE KNOW IT IS A COMPLICATED PIECEMEAL PARCELS TO BE ABLE TO
PUT TOGETHER A MAJOR UNIVERSITY AND IN AN URBAN AREA.
THEY HAVE BEEN USING THIS PROPERTY, YOU KNOW.
AND YES, THEY REBUILT THE AUDITORIUM AFTER IT WAS BURNT AND
ALL, BUT THEY STILL HAS BEEN USING THE PROPERTY FOR FREE.
THAT HAS A PRICE TAG.
HAVING A CLAUSE IN THERE THAT WOULD WITHOUT THE INFORMATION,
I WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH IS THAT PROPERTY WORTH.
IT WORTH $10 OR $100 MILLION.
I WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH THAT IS WORTH BEFORE I MAKE A
FIDUCIARY DECISION ABOUT THE DISPOSITION OF THAT PROPERTY.
I MAY GO RIGHT ALONG WITH THE ADMINISTRATION'S PROPOSAL ON
THIS, BUT I NEED TO HAVE THIS INFORMATION.
I NEED TO KNOW WHAT IT IS WORTH SO I CAN MAKE THAT DECISION.
I NEED TO GO OVER TO THE TAXPAYER AND SAY I JUST GAVE AWAY A
$50 MILLION BUILDING AND I GAVE IT AWAY BECAUSE OF X, Y,
OR Z.
OR GO TO THE FOLKS WHO ARE THE SPARTANS OF THE WORLD AND SAY
I DIDN'T GIVE IT AWAY BECAUSE OF X, Y, AND Z.
ALL WILL HAVE TO COME BEFORE US BEFORE I, IN ALL GOOD
CONSCIOUSNESS, MAKE THIS DECISION FOR THE ROLE NOT SITTING ON
THE BEACH, BUT SITTING ON THIS DAIS.
WE NEED -- WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THESE PROPERTIES ARE WORTH.
I AM ALSO -- I AM GOING TO HAVE TO SAY THIS OUT LOUD.
I AM ALSO CONCERNED BECAUSE MAYOR IS ON THE BOARD OF
TRUSTEES.
I ALMOST FEEL LIKE THESE DECISIONS AND THIS CONTRACT NEEDS
TO COME OUT FROM UNDERNEATH THIS CHAIN OR -- IT JUST -- IT
JUST DOESN'T TIME RIGHT TO ME.
I HAVE TO SAY THAT PUBLICLY.
I DON'T THINK THERE IS NOTHING THERE.
I DON'T MEAN TO BE CONSPIRATOR RALE.
SHE IS A SPARTAN.
A PROUD SPARTAN AND SITS ON THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES.
SOMETHING DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT TO ME.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS HASHTAGGED A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
02:58:58PM >>BILL CARLSON:
TOUGH ISSUES.
I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES IN PRINCIPLE AND I ASKED FOR THIS
WITH OTHER PROPERTIES AND WE SHOULD BE CONSISTENT AND
THURSDAY THROW.
AS MISS FEELEY SAID WITH THE FULL PRESENTATION OF PROPERTIES
AND EVERYTHING, I THINK IT WOULD BE DISCLOSED.
FOR DISCLOSURE I WENT TO THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA AND I
GRADUATED FROM THERE.
02:59:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
RECUSE YOURSELF.
02:59:24PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T THINK I HAVE TO RECUSE MYSELF.
[LAUGHTER]
IF MARTY TELLS ME, I WILL.
I WAS AROUND -- DR. VAUGHN WAS ONE OF MY PROFESSORS.
AND I WAS AROUND WHEN HE RAISED THE MONEY FOR THE BUSINESS
SCHOOL.
AND HE RAISED -- THE FIRST PART WAS $40 MILLION.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF IT WENT INSIDE VERSUS THE
BUILDING, BUT THE BUILDING WAS DERELICT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT COULD BE TORN DOWN AT THE TIME OR
NOT, BUT THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA SAVED THAT BUILDING AS
PLANT HALL, THE CHISLERS AND UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA STARTED BY
THE CHAMBER SAVED THAT BUILDING.
AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE FULL CONTEXT, THE MAINTENANCE OF THE
PARK, PLANT HALL AND THIS BUILDING AND WHAT OTHER
PROPERTIES.
ALL OF THIS COSTS MONEY AND RELATIONSHIP IN THE CONTEXT.
IF WE BRING IT BACK OR HAVE SOME KIND OF PUBLIC HEARING THAT
STAFF WILL BE ABLE TO GIVE US A LENGTHY PRESENTATION ON IT
BEFORE THE PUBLIC PRESENTS.
THE PUBLIC -- IF WE ARE GOING TO INFORM THE PUBLIC, WE NEED
TO KNOW THE FULL CONTEXT OF IT.
WE ALSO NEED TO SAY THAT -- THOSE BUILDINGS WOULD NOT BE
THERE BUT THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
THEY RAISED MONEY FOR IT, CHISLERS.
SPENT HUNDREDS MILLIONS UPGRADING IT.
UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA IS A HUGE ECONOMIC ENGINE.
PROVIDING EMPLOYMENT TAMPA.
AS DR. VAUGHN SAID, TRY GO TO A RESTAURANT DOWNTOWN AND NOT
FIND A WAITER WHO IS A U.T. STUDENT AND GRADS.
GRADUATES ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
THREE ON CITY COUNCIL.
WE HAVE FOLKS THROUGHOUT.
WHEN I WENT TO THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA IN THE '80s, THEY HAD
GONE THROUGH A TIME WHERE THEY HAD FOOTBALL AND GOT RID OF
IT.
AND THEN THEY GAVE SCHOLARSHIPS TO LOTS OF STUDENTS.
AND THEY STARTED TO LOSE MONEY.
I WAS THERE DURING THAT PART.
AND THEN BRUCE SAMPSON CAME IN, A BUSINESS LEADER, AND HE
WAS BROUGHT IN TO SAVE AND TURN AROUND THE UNIVERSITY OF
TAMPA.
THOSE YOU AROUND REMEMBER, THE PROPERTY OPENED BY RELATED
THE CAESAR PROPERTY WAS A NINE-STORY FORMER HOTEL THAT WAS A
DORM WHERE MIS EN PLACE.
SPARTAN ARMS BY THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
A HOUSE GIFTED TO THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA AS THE PRESIDENT'S
HOUSE.
1989 TO '89.
CITY OF TAMPA HAD SELL OFF THAT TO STAY AFLOAT AND HAD 1100
STUDENTS.
DR. VAUGHN CAME IN AND 12,000 STUDENTS.
THEIR SUCCESS IN THE LAST 30 YEARS, A LOT OF IT WAS DUE TO
HIM.
A LOT OF IT DUE TO THE TRUSTEES.
THE MONEY BY JOHN AND CHUCK SYKES.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS.
THE FUTURE OF EDUCATION IS ONLINE AND CHANGING RAPIDLY.
WE DON'T KNOW WHERE EVERYTHING IS GOING.
I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL WITH A VERY IMPORTANT ECONOMIC
ENGINE JUST LIKE I AM PROTECTED OF THE PORT AND AIRPORT, I
WANT TO BE PROTECTED OF USF AND U.T. BECAUSE THEY ARE HUGE
ECONOMIC ENGINES.
LAST THING I WANT TO SAY I VOTED AGAINST THE WEST RIVERWALK
EXPANSION.
NOT BECAUSE I AM AGAINST THE RIVERWALK BUT THE FUNDING
MECHANISM BECAUSE IT WILL COST A LOT OF INTEREST.
THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA REJECTED TO THIS.
AND HURRICANE WATCH DR. VAUGHN STILL BEEN HERE, THEY SEE IT
AS MAJOR SECURITY THREAT.
NOW WE HAVE A NEW PRESIDENT, AND SHE IS PROBABLY NOT GOING
TO MAKE THE SAME KIND OF STATEMENTS, BUT IT -- IT IS -- IT
IS NOT THAT THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA WANTS TO BLOCK PEOPLE
OUT, A MAJOR SECURITY THREAT FOR THEM THAT THESE THINGS ARE
OPEN LIKE THIS.
THE LAST THING I WILL SAY AND NOT DIRECTLY RELATED.
I HAVE BEEN FLOOD WITH MESSAGES IN THE LAST 24 HOURS IS THAT
ONE IS TALKING OF CHANGING THE NAME OF THE UNIVERSITY OF
TAMPA TO U. TAMPA.
WHOEVER IS WATCHING FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF.
PLEASE DON'T DO THAT.
THANK YOU.
03:03:29PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THEY MUST BE SENDING IT TO YOU BECAUSE THEY KNOWY
IT VERY WELL.
I AM NOT GETTING IT.
AND GLAD THIS CONVERSATION IS HERE.
I AM JUST LAUGHING OF MYSELF THINKING OF WHAT WE HAVE GIVEN
AWAY.
LAND BETWEEN COLUMBUS DRIVE.
MLK.
AND THE LAND BETWEEN HIMES AND DALE MABRY.
ALL CITY PROPERTY.
DONE ON A PIECE OF PAPER AND GIVEN AWAY TO THE COUNTY.
FOR ZERO.
NADA.
YOU KNOW WHY?
BECAUSE THEY FORGOT TO DO IT WHEN THEY WERE NEGOTIATING AND
BUILT THE STADIUM.
CITY PROPERTY, THE CITY CANNOT WRITE OFF AD VALOREM TAX.
SO THEY DEED IT OVER TO THE COUNTY.
I AM NOT SAYING THAT IS ACCEPTABLE.
I AM NOT SAYING IT IS RIGHT.
I AM NO, SIR SAYING IT IS WRONG.
I AM JUST SAYING WHAT HAPPENED.
AND I AM HAPPY TO BE SO LONESOME BY MYSELF BECAUSE I CAN
ALSO SAY WHAT I WANT TO SAY.
THE SAME THING WE ARE DOING WITH THE CIT TAX.
RIGHT IN MY POCKET, I HAVE THE MONIES THAT WE SPENT GIVING
AWAY $2 MILLION A YEAR TO THE TUNE OF $23 MILLION GONE FOR
NO REASON.
WHY?
BECAUSE YOU MADE A BAD CONTRACT.
NOT SAYING TO WHO, WHEN AND WHERE.
I AM HAPPY THIS CONVERSATION IS GOING ON.
HAPPY WITH WHETHER CARLSON SAID, THAT BUILDING DID BURN
DOWN.
THAT BUILDING USED TO WRESTLING.
GORGEOUS GEORGE AND DON CHERRY ALL THE GUYS.
THE BOXING MATCHES AND ALL THAT.
AND CONCERTS.
HOW SMALL TAMPA WAS.
HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THE ALLIGATOR AND THE BEAR IN THE
UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA PROPERTY OR THE CITY PROPERTY AT THE
PARK.
THEY SAID ARE YOU CRAZY.
WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN SMOKING.
THERE WAS A BEAR AND AN ALLIGATOR THERE WHEN I USED TO GET
THE BUS WITH MY FATHER TO SEE THE TAMPA SMOKERS PLAY THE
CUBAN HURRICANES.
EVERY WEEK WE USED TO DO THAT WHEN THEY WERE PLAYING HERE.
NO BEAR AND NO ALLIGATOR, BUT A LOT OF MEMORIES ABOUT THE
WHOLE SYSTEM.
WE HAVE A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION.
YOU DON'T OWN THE BUILDING.
BUT YOU OWN THE LAND, WHERE McKAY USED TO BE.
YOU OWN THE PARK, BUT YOU DON'T OWN THE STREETS.
YOU GOT TO BE A GENIUS TO COME OUT OF THIS ONE.
BECAUSE WHAT IS IT YOU OWN?
YOU OWN HALF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, BUT YOU DON'T OWN THE OTHER
HALF OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY I ASSUME FOR THE RIVERWALK.
WHAT ELSE IS IT THAT WE OWN OR DON'T OWN?
A CALAMITY OF ERROR THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORK ON FOR YEARS AND
WORKS SO FAR.
THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.
AM I A GRADUATE FROM THERE?
YES.
I DON'T TAKE FROM THERE.
I GIVE TO THERE AS MR. CARLSON DOES.
HELPED SO MANY PEOPLE IN THIS CITY OF TAMPA.
WHAT THIS GENTLEMAN DID OVER THERE, YOU HAVE TO BE A GENIUS
FOR TO DO WHAT HE DID.
I AM NORTHWEST GOING TO MENTION HIS NAME OF HOW LONG HE DID
-- HE IS NO LONGER THERE, AND HE IS RETIRED.
NO ONE HAS DONE WHAT HE HAS DONE.
A BILLION DOLLARS IN ASSESSMENTS AND DONE WITH THE BUILDING.
JUST AN AMAZING PLACE.
AND LIKE MR. CARLSON SAID, IT IS LARGER NOW IN ENROLLMENT
THAN PRINCETON AND WAKE FOREST AND USED TO BE NO BIGGER THAN
ORANGE GROVE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
I WILL COMPARE AN ANIMAL WITH ANOTHER ANIMAL.
IT IS WHAT IT IS.
AND WE LIVE IN A DIFFERENT SOCIETY.
AND I AM NOT OPPOSED ANYBODY COMING HERE AND HAVING A
HEARING ON IT.
THAT IS FINE WITH ME.
AT THE END OF THE DAY WHAT IS IT YOU WANT TO DO AND HOW YOU
ARE GOING TO DO.
AND SETTLE BOTH ISSUES ON ONE SIDE -- ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER.
YOU HAVE TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT IF NOT, ANOTHER WAR GOING
ON INSIDE THE CITY OF TAMPA.
03:07:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
03:07:19PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
FIRST TO CLARIFY FOR MR. CARLSON.
I MET THEM AT THE DOWNTOWN PRESIDENTIAL LUNCHEON.
AND SHE IS NOT PROMOTE WILLING U TAMPA.
SHE WANTS FOR US TO REFER TO THE UNIVERSITY AS THE
UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
SHE WAS THE PROVOST OF TEXAS CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY AND SAYS
WHEN PEOPLE SAY U.T. EVERYBODY KNOWS THEY ARE TALKING OF
TEXAS LONGHORNS.
WE NEED TO CREATE OUR OWN BRAND AND USE THE WORD "TAMPA
UNIVERSITY" IF NO ONE ELSE HAS THAT.
THAT IS WHAT SHE WAS SAYING BUT NOT U TAMPA.
UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
AND SHE CORRECTED PEOPLE A FEW TIMES DURING THE MEETING AND
IT WAS KIND OF NICE.
ANYWAY.
THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA IS ON MAP.
THIS IS A VERY INTERESTING CONVERSATION FOR ME BECAUSE, YOU
KNOW, IT IS TALKING ABOUT PROPERTY AND WHAT WE HAVE A RIGHT
TO DO OR NOT DO.
SO I AM JUST GOING TO STAY IN LEARNING MODE ABOUT THIS AS IT
RELATES TO OTHER THINGS IN THE FUTURE OF SPACES IN TAMPA.
AND WHY AND THIS POSITION ON CITY COUNCIL, MANY TIMES, WE
HAVE GIVEN THINGS AWAY.
HISTORICAL SPACES AND PLACES.
AND -- SO, WHATEVER IS DECIDED, I JUST THINK THAT WE -- WE
NEED TO CONSIDER EVERY ASPECT OF THE DECISION AND WHAT IS
BEST FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA AS WELL AS THE UNIVERSITY OF
TAMPA.
I HAD NO IDEA THEY HAVE HAD HAMMOCKS.
I BELIEVED THEY ALL HAD THEM AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO
IT.
03:08:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU CAN GO AND HOOK IT UP AND PEOPLE
HANG OUT ALL THE TIME.
03:09:00PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I REALIZE THAT, BUT I NEVER -- IN TERMS
OF AN ASSUMPTION, I DID NOT RECOGNIZE THAT.
AND SO -- AND I AM SURE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT FEEL THE SAME
WAY THAT I DO.
BUT THE FACT WE HAVE ACCESS IS WONDERFUL.
AND I WOULDN'T -- I JUST WANT TO MIX WITH THAT.
WE WILL SEE.
THANK YOU.
03:09:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:09:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
THIS CONVERSATION IS VERY INTERESTING, AND I WANTED TO ABOUT
I THINK IT TO LIGHT.
03:09:27PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT YOU SAID OF SAFETY AND SECURITY.
DRY UP IN THE SHADOW OF UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA WITH STUDENT
MURDERS.
I KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE TO WORRY OF ABOUT SECURITY FOR AN
INSTITUTION.
THIS IS WHY I MENTION AGAIN A REASON TO HAVE A MEETING TO
DISCUSS IT WITH THE ONE LICK.
DOES THE PUBLIC WANT -- IS THE UNIVERSITY INTERESTED IN
BUYING THE PARK?
HOW DOES THE PUBLIC FEEL ABOUT THAT?
HOW DO THEY FEEL OF NOT BEING ABLE TO ACCESS THE RIVER WALK
ALL THE TIME?
RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE GATES BUT OPEN ALL THE TIME.
I HAVE BEEN THERE AFTER MIDNIGHT WALKING OR BIKING AFTER I
SEE A SHOW OR HAVE DINNER.
SO I -- YEAH, I -- SO MY POINT -- WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO TO
CONTINUE BOTH OF THESE ITEMS FOR A EVENING PUBLIC MEETING TO
RECEIVE AN APPRAISE PAL FOR THE PROPERTY THAT THE BUILDING
SITS ON.
AND I DO REALIZE THAT CAN BE DIFFICULT, BUT WHAT THAT LOOKS
LIKE AND THEN I ALSO WANT A MAP OF -- ACTUALLY I WILL HAVE
THAT SEPARATE.
THESE ARE THE TWO THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE BEFORE OCTOBER
17.
03:10:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
03:10:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
03:10:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
YES, MISS FEELEY.
03:10:49PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
IN RELATION TO THE APPRAISAL.
I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED AS PART OF THE UNIVERSITY.
THE UNIVERSITY CAME BEFORE COUNCIL AS A PD-A APPLICATION.
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF THE HEAD.
I DID THE REZONING.
SO IT CAN NOT BE DEVELOPED AS ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN
UNIVERSITY-RELATED.
THE APPRAISALS ARE RUNNING $3,000 TO $6,000.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT AN APPRAISAL IS GOING TO BRING TO YOU IN
RELATIONSHIP WITH THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY, BECAUSE THE
VALUE BELONGS UNDER THE ZONING OF THE UNIVERSITY.
IT IS NOT COMMERCIAL GENERAL WHERE I CAN TELL YOU, OH, WE
CAN SELL THIS AND BUILD A WALMART HERE.
WE CAN'T DO THAT.
SO I DON'T -- I AM TRYING TO THINK HOW THAT WILL BE HELPFUL
IN YOUR DECISION-MAKING PROCESS AND, YOU KNOW, THE
INTERESTING -- WE MAY EXPEND THE MONEY AND IT MAY COME BACK
TO SAYS IT WORTH ZERO BECAUSE THE ONLY PERSON WHO CAN
DEVELOP IT IS U.T. AND SITE PLAN CONTROLLED, SO, INTO, I
BELIEVE FROM I AM RECALLING CORRECTLY, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE
BUILDING THAT IS THERE.
THAT IS ALL THAT THAT PROPERTY IS ENTITLED TO.
03:11:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGAIN.
I AM FINE WITH THAT.
03:12:04PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
OKAY.
03:12:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I LOOKED IT UP IN THE APPRAISAL RECORDS.
THAT PARK AS BELONGING TO THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
03:12:14PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I THINK WE DISCUSSED THAT DURING AS PART --
DURING THE NEGOTIATIONS.
I DO WANT TO SAY FOR JUST A MOMENT, AT THE INVESTIGATION, I
WAS AT THE TABLE WITH DR. VAUGHN ON THREE DIFFERENT
OCCASIONS FOR SEVERAL HOURS IN RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE
SECURITY AND UNIVERSITY.
I DON'T WANT TO DISCLOSE WHAT THE UNIVERSITY'S OPERATIONAL
PROCEDURES ARE IN RELATION TO SECURITY.
BECAUSE THAT IS NOT MY PLACE, BUT CRIMES, THINGS THAT
HAPPEN, THE FACT THE RIVERWALK S IN PROXIMITY TO A DORM.
THOSE THINGS IMPACT HOW THE UNIVERSITY FULFILLS THEIR
OBLIGATIONS AND SECURITY AND REPORTING AND THERE IS A LOT OF
OTHER THINGS THERE.
SO I THINK WHILE HAVING A PUBLIC DISCUSSION IS NOT JUST THE
PUBLIC, IT IS THE UNIVERSITY AS WELL.
BECAUSE THEY ARE THE PARTNER, THE JAY I SENT PROPERTY OWNER
THE MOST ADVERSELY IMPACTED OR POSITIVE LEAVE IMPACT BY
THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
THROUGH OUR DISCUSSIONS, THERE ARE LIMITATIONS AS TO WHAT
MAY OCCUR WITHIN PROXIMITY IN ORDER FOR THEM TO RETAIN
CERTAIN ACCREDITATIONS AND THINGS THAT RUN WITH THE
UNIVERSITY.
03:13:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS FINE, BUT THEY ARE ONE ACTOR IN THIS.
WE ARE ANOTHER ACTOR.
AND THE THIRD ACTOR IS THE PUBLIC.
03:13:31PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
UNDERSTOOD.
03:13:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE RIVERWALK HAS
TO GO OFFER TO THE RIVER, LIKE SOMETIMES IT HAS ON THE EAST
OR THE CURRENT RIVERWALK.
MAYBE THAT IS A SOLUTION.
I UNDERSTAND THERE IS COST TO THAT.
03:13:45PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
03:13:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
RIGHT NOW ON OUR CURRENT RIVERWALK,
PROPERTIES LIKE HOTELS SIMPLY PUT UP A BIG GATED FENCE.
THERE ARE CERTAINLY WAYS -- THEY HAVE FENCES ALONG THE
HOTELS AND YOU USE KEY CARDS TO GET IN.
I BIKE THE RIVERWALK ALL THE TIME.
03:14:04PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THOSE FENCES ARE NOT ON OUR PROPERTY.
03:14:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, I KNOW.
THAT'S WHAT I AM SAYING.
03:14:10PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I WANT TO BE CLEAR.
THE PARK IS ONE AND THE PROPERTIES ARE THE OTHER.
03:14:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT IS HOW THOSE BUSINESSES HAVE CHOSEN TO SECURE THEIR
PROPERTIES.
CHOSEN TO PUT FENCES ON THEIR PROPERTIES.
AND THE UNIVERSITY COULD DO THAT -- COULD DO THAT ROUTE AND
FENCE OFF PLANT PARK AND FENCE OFF THE RIVERWALK.
SO THEY HAVE OPTIONS AGAIN.
I WANT PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS SO THE PUBLIC CAN BE A PART OF
IT.
I UNDERSTAND YOU DISAGREE, BUT I WANT THE PUBLIC TO HAVE A
SAY INTO THIS.
OR SHOULD HAVE A SAY.
03:14:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
03:14:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE TO LOWER MY BLOOD PRESSURE JUST A
LITTLE BIT.
MOST OF THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING SAID HERE TODAY CAN ALL BE
TRUE AND THIS STILL ISN'T A GOOD DEAL FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
ALL THESE THINGS THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND EVERYBODY --
EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY SAID BUT STILL CAN BE A BENEFIT,
LOOKING AFTER THE PEOPLE OF THE POCKETBOOKS WHO OWN THE
ASSETS.
ONE THING THAT IS FRUSTRATING TO ME.
I LISTEN TO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT SECURITY.
OKAY, WE ARE NOT A POE DUNK TOWN ANYMORE.
THIS IS NOT A SMALL LITTLE TOWN.
I MEAN, I THINK -- I THINK NEW YORK UNIVERSITY, GEORGE
WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY, URBAN CAMPUSES, AND YOU GO BEYOND THE
UNITED STATES ACROSS THE WORLD WHERE THE UNIVERSITIES ARE
INTEGRATED INTO THE CITY.
GUESS WHAT, TAMPA, WE HAVE ARRIVED.
WE ARE NOW AMERICA'S GREATEST CITY.
AND WE HAVE AN URBAN CAMPUS WHICH IS PART OF THE CHARM OF
THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA IS THE INTEGRATION.
WE HAVE A DORM DOWNTOWN THAT IS ALL STUDENTS.
A HOTEL DOWNTOWN THAT IS MOSTLY STUDENTS.
THEY ARE INTEGRATING WITH DOWNTOWN.
WE HAVE THE STRAZ CENTER WITH CONSERVATORY PROGRAM.
A COMPLETE INTEGRATION.
SO SAYING WE NEED -- IMPLYING WE HAVE AT THAT SAFETY CONCERN
BECAUSE WE ARE NOT CREATING AN INBOUND OR PRISON CAMP AROUND
THE CITY OF TAMPA I THINK IS DISINGENUOUS.
INTEGRATION OF THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA IS CHARM AND
WONDERFUL MART OF THIS CAMPUS.
THE FACT IT IS SO INTERTWINED WITH THE LIVING THING THAT IS
THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WELCOME TO THE BIG TIME.
WE ARE A CITY AND NOT IS A SMALL TOWN.
I WILL GO WITH EVERYTHING THAT IS SAID ABOUT ALL OF THIS CAN
BE TRUE AND WE HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT THE ACTUAL
COST IS.
WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY GIVING AWAY.
AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
AND I WOULD BEG TO DIFFER, MISS FEELEY, WHILE PD-A AND
ZONED, STILL A VALUE TO PROPERTY AND STILL -- YOU CAN STILL
ASSIGN -- THAT BE CAMPUS CAN BURN DOWN TOMORROW OR THE TIDES
CHANGE AND THINGS -- YOU KNOW, REPURPOSE THAT PROPERTY.
THINGS HAPPEN AS THINGS GET REINVENTED.
PRESENT USE AND PRESENT CIRCUMSTANCE WHAT IS IT IS.
THERE IS STILL A VALUE TO IT.
STILL A VALUE OF THE BUILDING SITTING ON TOP OF IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR AGREEMENT WAS WHEN THEY BUILD
THE AGREEMENT ON LAND THAT WE OWN.
IT IS NOT SPELLED OUT ON THIS.
I THINK THE BUILDING VERSUS THE PROPERTY AND THEY CAN TEAR
IT DOWN IF THEY CHOSE TO.
I THINK THERE IS STILL A VALUE.
I THINK WE AS CUSTODIANS OF THE POCKETBOOK.
WE WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION BEFORE WE
MAKE THIS DECISION.
03:17:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:17:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
A COUPLE OF THINGS RESPONSE TO THAT.
ONE IS, IN -- THE ISSUE OF THE RIVERWALK -- THE WEST
RIVERWALK IS NOT JUST SECURITY.
WE HAVE NEEDS ALL OVER THE CITY AND INCLUDING INTERESTS
SOMETHING LIKE $80 MILLION.
-- INCLUDING INTEREST SOMETHING LIKE $80 MILLION WE CAN
SPEND ON OTHER THINGS.
I AM NOT SAYING WE SHOULDN'T HAVE A RIVERWALK THERE, IF WE
ARE DOING IT FOR DEVELOPER TO HAVE A SOMETHING, THAT'S NOT A
GOOD INVESTMENT AND A SEPARATE ISSUE.
I AGREE WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE CONTEXT OF EVERYTHING WHY I
VOTE FOR THE MOTION.
I BELIEVE WE SHOULD HAVE THIS AND HEARD BY THE PUBLIC.
JUST BECAUSE I LIKE AN ORGANIZATION DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULD
SCRUTINIZE IT.
HOWEVER, A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE.
SOMEONE CAN COME IN AND OFFER US TO TURN TAMPA THEATRE FOR
THAT A HOTEL AN IMPORTANT CULTURAL ASSET AND WOULDN'T ALLOW
IT TO HAPPEN.
WITH IMPORTANT HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND HISTORIC SPACES AND
STRATEGIC ASPECTS AND ECONOMIC ENGINES.
AN ECONOMIC DRIVER TO IT.
NOT THAT WE CAN LEASE THAT BUILDING TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR
FOR X AMOUNT AND LOOK AT THE CONTEXT WHAT THE ENGINE IS FOR
OUR COMMUNITY.
WHAT I WOULD LOOK LIKE TO DO WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I WOULD
LIKE TO PROPOSE A FRIENDLY AMOUNT THAT WOULD REQUEST
THAT U.T. AND CITY STAFF WE ASKED TO JOIN TO HAVE THE
CONVERSATIONS WITH US OF THE CITY IN A PRESENTATION NOT TO
EXCEED 15 MINUTES.
I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A MEATY CONVERSATION OF THE OVERALL
RELATIONSHIP OF WHAT THE PROPERTIES ARE INCLUDED IN THESE.
WHAT THE OVERALL AND ECONOMICS OF IT AND THE UNIVERSITY OF
TAMPA CAN ALSO SHOW WHAT THEIR ECONOMIC IMPACT IS AT THE
SAME TIME.
03:19:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU ARE ASKING THAT AS PART OF THE OCTOBER 17
MEETING.
NOT PART OF THE PUBLIC MEETING THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE IN THE
EVENING BEFORE THAT.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I REALLY WANT.
03:19:52PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU WILL MAKE SEPARATE MOTION?
03:19:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
I GUESS IF I NEED TO, I WILL MAKE A SEPARATE MOTION -- I
WOULD LIKE AN EVENING MEET BEING THIS AS WELL.
03:20:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHICHEVER ONE YOU THINK.
I THINK CONSIDERING THAT THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA IS PROBABLY
WATCHING AND THEY ARE NOT HERE.
03:20:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AGREE.
I THINK WHAT YOU SAID MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
I AM ASKING FOR ITEMS 40 AND 42 CONTINUED TO OCTOBER 17 WITH
THE INCLUSION OF THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA AND FEEDBACK OF AN
EVENING PUBLIC HEARING TO BE HELD BETWEEN NOW AND THEN AND
APPRAISAL.
03:20:29PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
CAN'T DO THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
I AM SORRY.
03:20:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT A BETTER DATE.
THE 7th, WILL THAT WORK?
OR NOVEMBER 21?
LET'S DO NOVEMBER 21.
03:20:41PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
SO IS THE EVENING MEETING YOU ARE REQUESTING
A PUBLIC MEETING WITH YOU, THIS COUNCIL?
03:20:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, JUST SHARING -- LIKE WE DO WITH ANY OTHER
DEVELOPMENT MEETING.
WHERE YOU TELL PEOPLE, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE PLANNING ON
DOING.
GETTING FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC.
WHAT ELSE -- WHAT KIND OF OTHER THINGS THEY WOULD LIKE TO
SEE HAPPEN WITH THIS.
03:21:06PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I AM SORRY TO BE -- SO HOW IS THAT GOING
NOTICED?
WHERE IS THAT BEING HELD?
BECAUSE I CAN'T NOTICE THE ENTIRE CITY -- I MEAN, WHEN YOU
HAVE DEVELOPMENT MEETINGS, THAT YOU NOTICE PEOPLE WITHIN A
GIVEN BOUNDARY AND THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT COME.
THIS IS A CITYWIDE PARK.
AND I AM HEARING THE RECOMMENDATIONS YOU ARE BRING FORWARDED
AND I SUGGEST FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON THAT THAT IS ONE
COMPREHENSIVE DISCUSSION THAT YOU ARE LETTING THE PUBLIC
KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO HEAR THIS PRESENTATION AND WE ARE
GOING TO HAVE A SECOND ITEM ON DISCUSSING THE PUBLIC'S INPUT
ON THE USE OF PLANT PARK VERSUS TRYING TO HAVE A PUBLIC
MEETING ON PLANT PARK THAT FOLDS INTO THE CONVERSATION FOR
THE OTHER EVENING.
03:22:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE IDEA OF SIMILAR TO ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT.
300 FEET OUT FROM THE UNIVERSITY.
THAT IS FINE.
HOWEVER YOU WANT TO NOTICE.
PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS.
WHEN IT IS A MEETING -- WHEN WE ARE JUST HAVING A OPEN
MEETING HERE, PEOPLE CAN'T COME UP AND ASK QUESTIONS AND GET
THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
PUBLIC COMMENT IS SIMPLY THAT.
COMMENT.
THERE ISN'T A BACK AND FORTH.
THAT IS WHAT I AM TRYING TO GIVE, IS A BACK AND FORTH
BETWEEN THE PUBLIC AND THE STAFF ABOUT THE PLANS FOR THIS
SPACE.
MR. MASSEY.
03:22:44PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THE MOTION AND THE
DIFFERENT IDEAS I AM HEARING FROM COUNCILMAN.
BY COUNCIL.
I UNDERSTAND WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE A COMMUNITY MEET BEING
THIS THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY INVOLVE A FORMAL HEARING
BEFORE YOU ALL WHICH IS FINE.
AND WE CAN PROBABLY ARRANGE THAT.
I GUESS -- I DON'T THINK THE APPRAISAL IS A NECESSARY
COMPONENT OF THAT MEETING.
I DON'T.
03:23:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO NOT OF THAT MEETING.
APPRAISAL WILL BE --
03:23:12PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
PART OF WHAT WE PRESENT TO YOU BEFORE YOU
MAKE YOUR FINAL DECISION.
03:23:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CORRECT.
03:23:19PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
SOUNDS LIKE TWO MEETINGS.
ONE A COMMUNITY INFORMATIONAL MEETING TO GATHER FEEDBACK
FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND ALSO A MORE FORMAL PUBLIC HEARING
BEFORE YOU ALL, WHICH WE CAN -- WE CAN TRY TO WORK WITH THE
CLERK'S OFFICE TO SCHEDULE BOTH AND MAYBE COME FORWARD WITH
A MORE NOTICED LETTER.
AND A LEASE OF CITY PROPERTY WHERE WE ARE BASICALLY DOING
THE SAME THING.
03:23:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
MR. MASSEY, EASIER TO DIVIDE IT INTO SEPARATE MOTIONS.
03:23:50PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
OR LEAST IN YOUR MOTION, YOU ARE ASKING FOR
A COMMUNITY MEETING ON ONE DATE, AND A SEPARATE DATE, A
PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE YOU ALL OF APPROVING AND NOT APPROVING
THE LEASE AGREEMENT.
03:24:02PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WHAT IS EXACTLY.
03:24:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MICROPHONE.
03:24:09PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WHAT IS IT EXACTLY ARE YOU TRYING TO GET
APPRAISED.
THEIR BUILDING OR THE GROUND SPACE.
03:24:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE GROUND SPACE.
BECAUSE WE OWN THE LAND.
03:24:17PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
JUST THE GROUND SPACE.
03:24:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BECAUSE WE OWN THE BUILDING, WE OWN THE
LAND.
03:24:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO WE OWN THE BUILDING?
03:24:25PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SHE SAID WE DON'T.
03:24:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT AGREEMENT DID THEY BUILD THE
BUILDING.
03:24:31PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
TERMS OF THE LEASE AGREEMENT.
THEY WERE GIVEN PERMISSION TO DO THAT.
03:24:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IN THE LEASE AGREEMENT IT STAYS THEY CAN DO
STUFF, THEY JUST HAVE TO COME TO US.
03:24:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THEY CAN TEAR IT DOWN.
03:24:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEY HAVE TO COME TO US BEFORE THEY --
03:24:45PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THE PURPOSE OF THE APPRAISAL WHEN WE GET
THIS INFORMATION IN TERMS OF GETTING THE VALUE OF IT/
03:24:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FIDUCIARY ASPECT TO THE CITY.
AND WE -- WE ALWAYS NEED MONEY.
IF THE VALUE OF THIS BECAUSE THE DOUGHNUT HOLE IN THE
DOUGHNUT IS ONLY $5,000, THEN GREAT.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN EASILY GIVE AWAY WITHOUT A LOT
OF DRAMA.
IF WE FIND OUT IT IS WORTH $5 MILLION.
THAT IS A CONVERSATION THAT NEEDS TO BE HAD.
AND WE WOULD BE DOING THE PUBLIC A DISSERVICE TO NOT JUST --
NOT KNOW WHAT THAT VALUE IS BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION.
03:25:23PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MAY I.
03:25:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. SHELBY AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:25:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MAYBE I WILL REGRET INTERJECTING MYSELF, MR.
MASSEY.
AND I SAW YOU DID AND I WAS HOPING -- BECAUSE I AM SITTING
HERE LISTENING TO THIS.
AND MY SENSE IS, TAKING ALL THIS IN FROM WHERE I SIT, THIS
IS A VERY COMPLEX SITUATION BASED ON YEARS OF MULTIPLE
TRANSACTIONS THAT HAVE CREATED A CONTEXT THAT I DON'T SEE
HOW CAN POSSIBLY BE EXPLAINED TO THE PUBLIC SHOWING UP AS A
PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING BASED ON THE CONCEPT THAT WHAT
THEY SEE IS PLANT PARK AND A BUILDING.
NOT KNOWING THE CONTEXT.
MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT AS YOU WOULD WITH THE
INFORMATIONAL MEETING THAT WAS MADE INITIALLY TO BRING THAT
BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL AND THEN ON THAT BASIS, EVERYBODY
WOULD AT LEAST HAVE THE CONTEXT TO KNOW THAT WHEN THEY HAVE
THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN, IT WOULD BE UNFORTUNATE, FIRST
OF ALL, THE LOGISTICS TO BE ABLE TO PLAN A MEETING IN SUCH A
WAY TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE PUBLIC WITH THE BASIS OF
INFORMATION COMING TO COUNCIL TO HAVE THE PREDICATE TO
UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION OF HOW YOU GOT TO WHERE YOU ARE
TODAY AND WHAT, THEN, YOUR OPTIONS OF WHAT YOU CAN AND
CANNOT DO.
03:26:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MR. -- I AM SORRY, IT WHAT YOU ARE TELLING ME
THAT THE PUBLIC -- WHAT I HEARD -- AND I KNOW YOU DIDN'T
MEAN IT, THAT THE PUBLIC IS NOT SMART ENOUGH TO FIGURE IT
OUT AND I DISAGREE WITH THAT.
IF THE PRESENTATION WAS MADE TO THE PUBLIC, IT IS WEIGHING
IN ON WHETHER OR NOT THE PUBLIC THINKS THIS IS A GOOD IDEA.
BASICALLY WHAT WE ARE DOING IS TRADING LAND FOR ACCESS FOR
-- FOR ADDITIONAL ACCESS TO THE RIVERWALK.
IS THAT A DEAL THAT THE PUBLIC WANTS TO BE MADE?
03:27:23PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND I CAN UNDER STAND ON THE CONSENT DOCKET TODAY, YOU DO
NOT WANT TO MOVE FORWARD.
I UNDERSTAND THAT IS CLEAR.
IN TERMS OF WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS -- I AM NOT FAMILIAR -- I
DO GET THE CITY E-MAILS THAT COME INTO CITY COUNCIL.
I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THE DEPTH OF THE PUBLIC'S
INFORMATION IS UP IN UNTIL THIS POINT OTHER WITHIN THAT IS
ON THE CITY'S WEB SITE.
03:27:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CORRECT.
WHICH IS WHY WE ARE HAVING A COMMUNITY INPUT MEETING, WHERE
THEY CAN SHARE THIS INFORMATION AND PEOPLE CAN ASK THOSE
QUESTIONS.
THIS IS VERY COMPLICATED.
AND I AM NOT COMFORTABLE SAYING, SURE, WE WILL JUST --
BECAUSE I --
03:28:03PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I AM NOT SUGGESTING FOR COUNCIL THAT THEY
TAKE ACTION ON THIS.
I AM JUST SUGGESTING TO COUNCIL THAT WHERE I HAVE SIT, THERE
IS A LOT OF ISSUE IN HERE -- AND INTERESTINGLY, AND I LOOK
BACK -- I LOOK BACK TO THE QUESTION -- AND I WAS SITTING
HERE WHEN THAT PD-A WAS GRANTED.
THE QUESTION WOULD BE, ALL THESE ISSUES AND THESE
INTRICACIES ALL BROUGHT TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT MADE THAT
DECISION?
03:28:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WAIT.
CARLSON IS NEXT AND THEN MISS FEELEY.
03:28:37PM >>BILL CARLSON:
TWO POINTS WITH REGARD TO THE APPRAISAL.
AGREE WITH GETTING APPRAISALS.
I THINK -- I AM NOT GOING TO PUT WORDS IN HER MOUTH, BUT I
AGREE WITH MISS FEEL'S POINT OF VIEW THAT CONSIDERING THE
ENCUMBRANCES IT WILL COME BACK BEING WORTH NOTHING OR VERY
LITTLE.
WHO HYPOTHETICAL IF THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA CLOSED OR SOLD.
THE REALITY OF THIS CURRENT SITUATION WILL SHOW IT VERY LOW.
WHAT THEY ARE THINKING OF GOING THROUGH THE RFP PROCESSES.
SOME OF THE PURCHASING IT TAKING SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS NOW.
I AGREE WE SHOULD GET NUMBERS LIKE THAT.
I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR ONE ON HANNA AVENUE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW MUCH THAT BUILDING IS WORTH THAT WE
SPENT 220 MILLION ON.
3:29:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL ROADS LEAD BACK TO --
3:29:34PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE OTHER THING IS, IF YOU HAVE A NIGHT
MEETING, I THINK YOU ALSO OUGHT TO INVITE THE UNIVERSITY OF
TAMPA TO PARTNER.
THEY PROBABLY WOULD HOST IT.
ONE OF THE POINTS MARTY WAS MAKING, WE SHOULD EXPLAIN THE
BROADER CONTEXT, NOT JUST THESE ITEMS.
THEY -- THE PUBLIC SHOULD UNDERSTAND THE OVERALL.
I THINK THAT MY DAY JOB USED TO BE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, PUBLIC
INPUT.
I THINK THAT WE PROBABLY COULD ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING BUT
BY DOING IT IN A NIGHT MEETING OR DAY MEETING OF CITY
COUNCIL.
WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE SCHEDULE PLENTY OF TIME.
THAT WAY WE ALSO GET TO HEAR ALL THE INPUT.
3:30:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MS. FEELEY AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER
CLENDENIN.
3:30:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET ME TALK BEFORE MS. FEELEY, DO YOU
MIND?
I KIND OF CONCUR WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND MS. FEELEY
ON THIS.
UNLESS STAFF WAS TO SAY, OH, YEAH, WE COULD PULL THIS OFF

FLAWLESSLY, BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE THE PROCEDURES,
RULES TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO
THERE.
I THINK HAVING A PUBLICLY NOTICED COUNCIL MEETING WITH THIS
ON THE AGENDA AND INVITING -- THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE
SECOND PART.
I ALREADY LOOKED AT THE CALENDAR TO SEE IF THAT WAS THERE.
THAT WAS GOING TO BE PART OF WHY NEXT.
I THINK HAVING A PUBLICLY NOTICED, HAVING THIS ACCOMPLISHED.
IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CAN WEIGH IN ON SOMETHING UNLESS YOU'VE
GOT ALL THE INFORMATION.
THE ONLY PLACE TO GET ALL THE INFORMATION IS WHERE ALL THE
INFORMATION IS PRESENTED.
OTHERWISE YOU'RE MAKING ASSUMPTIONS BASED ON PIECES OF
INFORMATION.
SO CONVENIENTLY ON THE 21st, THIS IS A NIGHT MEETING, AND
I WOULD SAY THAT PERHAPS THIS COUNCIL WOULD ENTERTAIN MOVING
THIS DISCUSSION TO THE EVENING SESSION OF THE 21st SO TO
AFFORD PUBLIC OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN AND TALK.
PROBABLY MAKE IT EASIER ON EVERYBODY.
AND WE COULD HAVE THIS QUESTION ASKED AND ANSWERED.
I'LL TAKE ONE POINT OF PRIVILEGE TO SAY I WOULD ACTUALLY
ALMOST -- IF I FELT THAT THE PLANT PARK WAS NOT PART OF THE
INTEGRATED RIVERWALK IN ITS FULLEST AND BEST USE, I MAY
CONSIDER A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE FUNDING OF THE WEST

RIVER WALK BECAUSE THAT IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE
WEST RIVER PROJECT.
THAT'S THAT A IS THE WEIGHT THAT I PUT ON THIS.
AS MUCH AS I WANT TO KNOW THE FIDUCIARY SIDE OF THE LAND
TRANSFER, BUT IF I FELT THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A
WITHDRAWAL OR PULL-BACK FROM USAGE OF THE PARK, I WOULD
REALLY, REALLY CONSIDER MY DECISION.
I'M A BIG ADVOCATE OF WEST RIVER WALK.
I WAS AN ADVOCATE FOR IT AND I THINK IT IS A GOOD THING FOR
THE CITY, BUT NOT IF WE MISS THIS GIGANTIC HOLE.
3:32:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WAS GOING TO ACCEPT HIS RECOMMENDATION.
3:32:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION --
3:32:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOWEVER, TO MOVE IT TO THE EVENING SESSION ON
THE 21st, MS. LUCAS, HOW MANY ITEMS CAN WE CURRENTLY HAVE
ON STAFF REPORTS?
I BELIEVE IT IS SEVEN.
BUT I ALSO MOVE SINCE THERE IS A REGULAR SESSION BEFORE
THAT, THAT WE LIMIT STAFF REPORTS TO FOUR SO THAT WE GET A
BREAK DURING REGULAR SESSION OF THAT DAY.
3:32:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I SECOND.
MS. FEELEY WANTS TO STATE SOMETHING.
3:33:02PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO SAY, PART OF THIS
TOO AND I THINK I BROUGHT IT UP AT HISTORIC PRESERVATION,
I'LL TAKE ADDITIONAL TIME TO GO BACK WITH MR. HERNANDEZ AND
LOOK AT WHEN THE PARK WAS DESIGNATED BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS

AN INTEGRAL PART IN THIS DISCUSSION.
YOU CAN'T SAY TO SOMEBODY WHAT WOULD YOU WANT TO SEE HERE IF
WE KNOW WE CAN'T GIVE IT TO YOU.
I THINK LEVEL-SETTING THOSE EXPECTATIONS IN RELATION TO THE
HISTORIC LANDMARK NATURE OF THAT PARK IS ESSENTIAL IN THIS
DISCUSSION.
3:33:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL, SINCE I
COULDN'T FIND IT ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER WEBSITE IT SHOWED
UT AS OWNING ALL OF IT, TO ACTUALLY DELINEATE WHAT WE OWN.
3:33:44PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
WE HAVE THAT.
3:33:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WAS NOT ABLE TO FIND.
3:33:47PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
PROPERTY APPRAISER, THE PIECE IN THE GIS
DOESN'T CLOSE.
BUT WE DO HAVE THAT.
3:33:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
3:33:57PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
MORRIS MASSEY, THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S
MAPS ARE NOT ALWAYS ACCURATE.
AND THIS RELATIONSHIP, BECAUSE THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN UT
AND THE CITY IS LONG-STANDING AND THESE LEASES ARE LONG-TERM
GROUND LEASES AND THEY OWN SOME PROPERTY HERE, WE LEASE SOME
PROPERTY TO THEM THERE, IT'S VERY HARD FOR THE PROPERTY
APPRAISER TO FIGURE ALL THAT OUT.
THAT'S WHY IT SHOWS UP THAT WAY.
3:34:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M FINE WITH THAT BECAUSE BASICALLY THEY ARE
BOTH BASICALLY NON-TAXING AUTHORITIES, SO IT DOESN'T REALLY

MATTER.
I'M GOING TO RESCIND MY OTHER MOTION AND START AGAIN.
I THINK THAT IS THE EASIER WAY TO DO IT.
I WOULD LIKE ITEMS NUMBER 40 AND 42 TO BE CONTINUED TO THE
EVENING SESSION OF CITY COUNCIL -- I'M SORRY, THE EVENING
COUNCIL SESSION ON NOVEMBER 21.
DO WE KNOW HOW MANY ITEMS WE HAVE FOR THE EVENING SESSION?
3:35:01PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
IT WOULDN'T BE SET YET.
3:35:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
COULD WE ALSO CHOOSE TO LIMIT THE ITEMS THERE
THAT WE COULD HEAR IN THE EVENING?
THEY SAID NONE OF THE CONSENT.
3:35:16PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
NOVEMBER, THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE FOR
NOVEMBER WOULDN'T BE SET UNTIL MID OCTOBER.
IT SHOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED.
BUT I WOULD NEED TO TRY TO CHECK WITH MS. DOCK IN THE
INTERIM TO SEE WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN FILED BECAUSE WE DO HAVE
A PUBLISHED SCHEDULE AND THEY DO KNOW YOU WOULD CONSIDER 13
ITEMS.
I NEED TO GET THAT NUMBER, THAT ANSWER FOR YOU BEFORE I CAN
SAY, YEAH, LIMIT IT.
3:35:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOT A PROBLEM.
IF WE NEED TO MOVE IT, WE CAN.
LET ME FINISH MY MOTION.
SO THE MOTION IS TO MOVE ITEMS 40 AND 42 TO NOVEMBER 1st
EVENING SESSION -- ON NOVEMBER 21st.

THAT WOULD INCLUDE INPUT FROM UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA AND AN
APPRAISAL AND A MAP SHOWING WHAT THE CITY OF TAMPA ACTUALLY
OWNS.
I WAS GOING TO DO THAT LATER.
MS. LUCAS, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO LIMIT THE ITEMS FOR THE
REGULAR SESSION IN A DIFFERENT MOTION?
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
3:36:27PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
COULD I INTERJECT?
MAYBE ADD TO THE MOTION, THIS WOULD BE IN THE NATURE OF A
PUBLIC HEARING AND THAT STAFF WOULD BE DIRECTED TO NOTIFY
PROPERTIES OWNERS AND REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS IN THE
SAME MANNER THAT WE WOULD FOR ANY SORT OF LAND DEVELOPMENT
TYPE OF APPLICATION.
3:36:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO MOVED.
3:36:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MR. SHELBY.
3:36:47PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
QUESTION.
RELATED TO THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SPECIAL USES, WILL THOSE
PRECEDE THIS OR FOLLOW THIS?
IF THAT'S THE CASE, WHAT DO YOU THEN NOTIFY THE APPLICANTS
FOR THE SPECIAL USES THAT ARE GOING TO BE SCHEDULED COMING
IN ON NOVEMBER 21st?
3:37:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PUT IT FIRST ON THE AGENDA.
3:37:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, PUT IT FIRST ON THE AGENDA.
3:37:12PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND HOW LONG WILL THIS MEETING LAST?
3:37:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN WE WAIT AND SEE HOW MANY WE HAVE?

3:37:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
SINCE THE AGENDA DOESN'T EXIST --
3:37:24PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT WILL BE FINE.
THANK YOU.
3:37:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
3:37:28PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IF WE PUT IT FIRST ON THE AGENDA, WHY DON'T WE HAVE A TIME
LIMIT TO IT.
3:37:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SAY SOMETHING LIKE WE WERE ELECTED TO BE
HERE 24 HOURS A DAY.
3:37:43PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OTHER PEOPLE WHO
HAVE HEARINGS AND PUT IT BEFORE, THEN WE SHOULD CONSIDER A
TIME LIMIT.
3:37:51PM >> LaCHONE JUST CONFIRMED THERE ARE SEVEN ALCOHOLIC
BEVERAGE APPLICATIONS AND FOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS
THAT NIGHT.
SO YOU HAVE 11 ITEMS ALREADY.
MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE YOU HEAR THE 11 FIRST AND HAVE THIS
MAYBE A TIME CERTAIN LATER ON VERSUS MAKING THE 7 WAIT FOR
THE DURATION OF OR IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SET A TIME LIMIT
AS SUGGESTED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:38:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HONESTLY, WITH THAT IN MIND, I THINK WE CAN
ALSO CONSIDER JANUARY 30 OF 2025.
WHERE THERE ARE NO ALCOHOL BEVERAGES BEING CONSIDERED.
THEN I WOULD MOVE IT TO THE JANUARY 30th -- I'LL START

AGAIN.
ITEMS 40 AND 42 TO BE CONTINUED TO JANUARY 30, 2025, FOR
ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT, APPRAISAL OF THE LAND UNDER THE
BUILDING BEING CONSIDERED, AND A MAP SHOWING THE ACTUAL
PARCELS THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA OWNS RELATIVE TO THE REST OF
THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
3:39:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHAT ABOUT -- PARK?
3:39:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
THAT'S BOTH.
IT'S ANYTHING THE CITY OF TAMPA OWNS WITHIN THE CONFINES OF
THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA FOOTPRINT.
3:39:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
3:39:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
5:01.
FIRST THING.
3:39:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I JUST WANT A VOTE.
MR. SHELBY WOULD KNOW WHAT TIME.
5:01 --
3:39:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE QUESTION WOULD BE, DOES STAFF KNOW HOW
MANY WOULD BE SET OR IS THERE A DETERMINATION OF HOW MANY
CAN BE SET RELATIVE TO THAT NIGHT?

IN OTHER WORDS, ARE WE REMOVING ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SPECIAL
USES FROM THAT EVENING OR NOT?
3:40:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEY DON'T HAVE THAT YET.
THIS IS TOO FAR IN ADVANCE.
3:40:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THEY HAD NOVEMBER 21st, BUT JANUARY 25
--
3:40:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
30.
3:40:16PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
TYPICALLY, I CAN'T SPEAK THIS RIGHT NOW,
TYPICALLY YOU DO NOT HAVE ALCOHOL BEVERAGE IN NOVEMBER OR IN
DECEMBER BECAUSE OF THE HOLIDAYS.
SO WHEN APPLICANTS COME IN, THEY KNOW THAT THERE IS A 60-DAY
LULL ON THOSE HEARINGS.
THAT'S HOW IT'S BEEN OVER THE PAST TEN YEARS OR SO.
SO I DON'T WANT TO THEN PUT SMALL BUSINESSES OR OTHER PEOPLE
IN A POSITION WHERE THEN THERE'S NO ALCOHOL IN JANUARY, BUT
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THAT SCHEDULE EXACTLY PUBLISHED
YET, BUT I CAN WORK ON THAT.
JANUARY 30th, ISN'T THAT THE FIFTH THURSDAY OF THE MONTH?
3:41:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY MEETINGS ON THE
2nd.
SO THERE'S ONLY FOUR WEEKS.
3:41:06PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
TYPICALLY EVENING MEETINGS ARE ON THE SECOND
AND FOURTH THURSDAY OF THE MONTH.
SO THIS WOULD BE EXTRA.
3:41:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IN JANUARY THEY ARE ON THE THIRD AND FIFTH

BECAUSE WE HAVE THE FIRST WEEK OFF.
IT WIGGLES ITS WAY.
WOULD IT BE BEST TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF ALCOHOL PERMITS TO
FIVE INSTEAD OF SEVEN AND NO REZONING HEARINGS?
3:41:29PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THERE WOULDN'T BE --
3:41:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SORRY, PLAN AMENDMENTS.
3:41:33PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I THINK THAT'S FINE.
I'M LOOKING AT ERIC.
I THINK THAT'S FINE.
WE WOULD JUST NOTATE ON THE SCHEDULE TO THE APPLICANTS THAT
WE WOULD BE TAKING THE FIRST FIVE CASES AND THEN WHATEVER.
IF WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT PERHAPS AND COME TO
YOU AND SAY WE NEED AN EXTRA ON ANOTHER NIGHT, MAYBE THAT
WOULD, BUT WE'D HAVE TO SEE BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T FILE YET
FOR JANUARY.
3:41:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK THAT'S FINE.
FIVE ALCOHOL CASES ON THE EVENING OF JANUARY 30th.
NO MORE THAN.
3:42:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
CLENDENIN.
MR. SHELBY, ARE YOU READY.
I'M GOING TO VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?

NAY.
3:42:21PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I DON'T LIKE IT.
CAN WE HAVE DISCUSSION A LITTLE BIT.
I KNOW SHE MADE A MOTION --
3:42:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAD A LOT --
3:42:28PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
NO, YOU DIDN'T.
YOU JUMPED RIGHT TO THE MOTION.
I JUST THINK WE SHOULD KEEP ALCOHOL AND NOT ADD ANYTHING
ELSE TO IT AND JUST FIND ANOTHER DAY THAT WORKS FOR EVERYONE
AND ADVERTISE IT.
I DON'T FEEL THAT WE SHOULD BLEND THOSE TWO THINGS, EVEN
THOUGH WE DO NEED TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC
TO COME --
3:42:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU WANT A SPECIAL-CALLED MEETING?
3:42:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, WE CAN DO A SPECIAL CALL.
3:42:59PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE PART OF THE
ALCOHOL DAY AND I WOULD NOT SUPPORT THAT.
I WOULD SUPPORT HAVING IT BUT NOT ON THAT DAY BECAUSE IT'S
ALSO CLOSER TO THE HOLIDAY AS WELL.
WE'RE GETTING READY TO GO INTO THANKSGIVING.
3:43:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
IT WOULD BE JANUARY 30th.
3:43:12PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I THOUGHT YOU SAID NOVEMBER 21st.
3:43:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, TOO MANY ALCOHOL CASES.
3:43:17PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SO MUCH GOING ON HERE, I AM LOSING IT.

SO YOU SAID JANUARY --
3:43:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
30th.
3:43:25PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ALCOHOL.
I'M SORRY.
I THOUGHT WE WERE NOVEMBER 21st.
3:43:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JANUARY 30th AND LIMITING THE ALCOHOL CASES
TO FIVE.
3:43:33PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING THERE RIGHT NOW.
OKAY.
FINE.
IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT, I CAN BE AGREEABLE.
3:43:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE REASON I WILL ARGUE FOR IT AS WELL IS THE
FACT THAT WAY STAFF DOESN'T HAVE TO COME TO US.
3:43:47PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SOMETHING WE ALREADY DO.
OKAY.
3:43:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LET'S DO A ROLL CALL VOTE PER THE
REQUEST OF THE CLERK.
3:43:53PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
3:43:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
3:43:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
3:43:56PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
3:43:57PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
3:43:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
3:44:00PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH MANISCALCO VOTING NO AND
MIRANDA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.

3:44:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE ONE MORE MOTION.
I HAVE A MOTION FOR MR. MULKEY NOT QUITE SURE WHEN WE'RE
GOING TO DO THIS, IF YOU DON'T MIND COMING FORWARD.
AGAIN, THIS MIGHT ALSO BE WITH THE LEGAL STAFF, BUT I THINK
ONE THING THAT WASN'T GIVEN TO US -- ONE OF THE PIECES OF
INFORMATION WHEN WE WERE TOLD ABOUT THE WEST RIVER WALK,
THIS IS WHERE IT'S GOING.
THERE WAS NO CONVERSATION ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE HADN'T
GOTTEN AGREEMENTS TO USE SOME OF THE SPACE YET.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MEETING OR A HEARING -- I DON'T
KNOW WHAT THE TIMETABLE WOULD BE, BUT JUST TO FIND OUT WHICH
PARTS OF THE RIVERWALK ARE ACCESSIBLE, WILL BE ACCESSIBLE.
I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, IF WE'RE PUTTING $80 MILLION
INTO THIS, TO NOT HAVE IT BE ACCESSIBLE ALL THE TIME.
I THINK THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW THAT.
AS MR. CLENDENIN SAID, IT COULD CHANGE THINGS.
AND WE WERE NOT TOLD OF THIS WHEN THE DISCUSSION CAME ABOUT
THE RIVERWALK.
WE WERE SHOWN A PLAN THAT WE WEREN'T TOLD THAT IT WAS --
THAT THERE WERE STILL NEGOTIATIONS TO BE HAD.
3:45:30PM >> TONY MULKEY, PARKS AND RECREATION.
MY COMMENT WAS REFERRING TO THE CURRENT EASEMENT AGREEMENT
AT THAT ONE LOCATION.
WE CAN CERTAINLY GO BACK AND REVIEW AND PROVIDE AN UPDATE TO
COUNCIL FOR INFORMATION ON THAT.

BECAUSE AS FAR AS THE LEGAL ASPECT OF IT, I MIGHT NOT HAVE
ALL THE UPDATED INFORMATION ON THAT.
OBVIOUSLY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE TRANSPARENT WITH ALL
THAT.
3:45:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ABSOLUTELY.
SO I'D LIKE TO DO THAT AFTER OUR JANUARY WORKSHOP.
PERHAPS FEBRUARY 20th, 2025.
3:46:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, COUNCIL MEMBER.
3:46:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MY ONLY CONCERN ABOUT WAITING THAT LONG IS
ARE -- WHERE ARE WE AT AS FAR AS CONTRACTS, BONDING,
SPENDING MONEY?
BECAUSE IF THIS BECOMES SO UNTENABLE THAT WE'RE GOING TO
PULL SUPPORT FOR THIS CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE OF THIS MAJOR
ISSUE OF LACK OF USE OF PROPERTY, I DON'T WANT IT TO GET TOO
FAR AWAY FROM US.
3:46:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AGREE.
I THINK A BIG RESOUNDING PART OF THE USE OF PROPERTY IS THE
UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
THAT IS THE ONLY REASON.
AS WE FOUND, BECAUSE THIS TOOK OVER TWO YEARS TO PUT
TOGETHER, THESE NEGOTIATIONS AREN'T QUICK.
I'M HAPPY TO DO IT EARLIER, BUT THAT WAS MY MAIN REASON.
3:46:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THROW THAT OUT IN THE ATMOSPHERE.
I WON'T TAKE IT ANY FURTHER THAN THAT.
JUST A CONCERN I DON'T WANT TO PUT --

3:46:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MR. MULKEY, WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND?
3:47:01PM >>TONY MULKEY:
I WOULD HAVE TO CIRCLE BACK TO OUR PLANNING
TEAM AS WELL AS REAL ESTATE TO KIND OF GET AN UPDATE ON
THAT, AND I CAN PROVIDE A COMMUNICATION TO COUNCIL IF THAT
WOULD SUFFICE AND TRY AND MOVE THAT ALONG QUICKLY.
3:47:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEN I WILL GO AHEAD AND INSTEAD OF FEBRUARY,
I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE YOU COME BACK TO TALK ABOUT THE
AREAS THAT ARE STILL UNDER NEGOTIATION AND THE AREAS THAT
WILL BE CLOSED AND WHEN THEY WILL BE CLOSED AND A MAP
INCLUDING WHEN THEY WILL BE CLOSED AND WHERE THEY WILL BE
CLOSED.
ON NOVEMBER 7.
AND IF YOU NEED TO CHANGE THAT, JUST REACH OUT TO MY OFFICE
AND WE'RE HAPPY TO MOVE IT.
3:47:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION, SECOND FROM COUNCIL
MEMBER CLENDENIN.
3:47:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS THAT A WRITTEN REPORT OR SOMETHING THAT
IS A STAFF REPORT?
3:47:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD LIKE A WRITTEN REPORT BUT ALSO A
STAFF REPORT.
I THINK THE PUBLIC WANTS TO HEAR ABOUT THAT.
I LOOKED.
WE ONLY HAVE ONE STAFF REPORT THAT DAY.
3:47:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR?

AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
IT'S UNANIMOUS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THAT CONCLUDES THE PULLED ITEMS.
WE'LL GO TO ITEM 71.
ITEM 71, WE HAVE THE FIRE CHIEF HERE.
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, THAT WAS YOUR MOTION.
3:48:27PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'LL WAIT TO HEAR FROM CHIEF TRIPP ON THIS.
I PUSHED THESE BACK A FEW WEEKS JUST BECAUSE OF THE BUDGET
SO WE COULD MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS AND ALL THAT.
I KNOW THIS INCLUDES K-BAR RANCH, CHANNELSIDE AND DOWNTOWN.
REALLY, CHIEF, I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE TOLD YOU THIS BEFORE,
OBVIOUSLY THE TWO BIG THINGS I'M LOOKING AT IS 24, WHICH WE
TALKED ABOUT, BUT ESPECIALLY HOW WE'RE DOING WITH PROPERTY
ACQUISITION FOR FLEET MAINTENANCE.
3:48:54PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
BARBARA TRIPP, FIRE CHIEF TAMPA FIRE RESCUE.
AS FAR AS 24, WE'RE ACTUALLY MOVING RIGHT ALONG.
WE'RE IN THE DESIGN PHASE.
WE'VE DISCUSSED IT.
WISH IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED YESTERDAY.
I'M PUSHING AS MUCH AS I CAN FOR THAT.
AS FAR AS K-BAR RANCH, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN IN DISCUSSION, AS
FAR AS ACCESS TO THAT BACK ROAD OFF OF MORRIS BRIDGE BUT
ALSO MONITORING THE DATA AS WELL AND ALSO GETTING READY TO

PUT A TRANSPORT UNIT IN THAT AREA FOR STATION 22.
THAT GOES ALONG WITH -- ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL TO HELP ASSIST
WITH THAT.
3:49:33PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
HOW ARE WE DOING, IF I MAY ASK, ON THAT ACCESS ROAD?
I KNOW WE RECENTLY HAD THE HEARINGS.
HOW ARE WE DOING ON THAT?
3:49:43PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
LET ME REACH OUT TO LEGAL AND SEE IF THEY
HAVE ANYTHING ON THAT.
3:49:47PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU.
3:49:53PM >> MICHELLE VAN LOAN, REAL ESTATE.
HOPEFULLY WE HAVE GOOD NEWS THAT CAME IN TODAY AT LUNCH.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY
PURSUING.
ONE OF THEM IS A PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN ALLUDED TO SEVERAL
TIMES, AS CHIEF TRIPP HAS COME UP TO YOU.
WE RAN INTO SOME OWNERSHIP ISSUES.
WE RECEIVED A CALL RIGHT AT LUNCHTIME DURING THE BREAK THAT
THEY HOPE TO HAVE THAT RESOLVED BY THE END OF SEPTEMBER.
IF THEY DO, WE'VE ALREADY HAD A DRAFT CONTRACT.
WE WILL BE READY TO GO RIGHT INTO NEGOTIATIONS AND CONTRACTS
AND HOPEFULLY GET THAT RESOLVED.
WE ALSO HAVE A PROPERTY THAT WE LOOKED AT ABOUT 12 TO 18
MONTHS AGO THAT WAS ALSO A DECENT PROPERTY, GOOD VIABLE

PROPERTY, BUT IT HAD SOME TENANT LEASE ISSUES AND A LITTLE
TOO COMPLICATED FOR US.
WE DIDN'T WANT TO STEP IN AS THE LANDLORD AND DEAL WITH SOME
OF THOSE.
NOW THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS RESOLVED ALL THOSE ISSUES AND IS
NOW IN A POSITION TO TALK TO US ABOUT POTENTIALLY ACQUIRING
THAT PROPERTY.
SO WE HAVE BOTH A VERY VIABLE PROPERTY THAT COULD BE
SOMETHING WE'RE MOVING ON IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
IF NOT, WE HAVE A VERY VIABLE PROPERTY AS A BACKUP.
THAT ONE GOES SLOWER.
THE PROPERTY OWNER IS CURRENTLY IN EUROPE.
THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT YOU READ ABOUT IN THE PAPERS.
A LOT OF OUR LOCAL OWNERS ARE NOT ALL LOCAL.
THEY OWN LOCAL PROPERTY, BUT THEY MAY NOT BE RIGHT IN THE
IMMEDIATE VICINITY.
SO WE ARE VERY HOPEFUL THAT THIS WILL FINALLY COME TO A
CLOSE.
ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO ADDRESS IS A LOT OF TIMES WHEN
CHIEF TRIPP HAS BEEN UP HERE UPDATING YOU, THIS SEEMS LIKE
EVERY FEW MONTHS, THERE ARE A LOT OF COMMENTS AND
CONVERSATION BY COUNCIL MEMBERS, WELL, DID WE DO THIS AND
DID WE DO THAT?
AND WHAT EXACTLY HAVE WE BEEN DOING THE PAST TWO YEARS AS WE
TRY TO GO AND FIND THIS PROPERTY?

TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, WE VETTED 28 PROPERTIES.
THOSE WERE 28 PROPERTIES THAT OUR STAFF VETTED AND THEN
BROUGHT TO CHIEF TRIPP.
WE'RE DOING SITE VISITS.
WE'RE LOOKING AT CONFIGURATIONS.
THAT 28 NUMBER DOES NOT INCLUDE ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT JUST
OUR STAFF LOOKED AT AND ELIMINATED BECAUSE THEY ARE IN A
FLOODPLAIN.
WE CAN'T PUT ALL OF THAT EQUIPMENT, ESPECIALLY DURING
EMERGENCIES, IN A FLOOD ZONE.
WE HAD TO ELIMINATE, SELL THE PROPERTIES.
EVEN ONE WE FOUND RECENTLY OFF OF MARITIME THAT WAS EIGHT
ACRES BUT IT'S IN THE FLOOD ZONE.
WE CAN'T LOOK AT THOSE.
WE GET AS CREATIVE AS TO LOOK AT PROPERTIES THAT MAY BE
LISTED AND ONLY 2.5 OR 3 ACRES, AND WE'RE GOING TO THE
ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER AND COLD CALLING TO FIND OUT IF THEY
WOULD BE WILLING TO SELL TO US.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO TRY AND DO
A THREE-WAY SWAP IN ORDER TO GET THEIR PROPERTY ON
HILLSBOROUGH AND FIND A PLACE TO RELOCATE THEIR BUSES.
NEITHER THEY NOR WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN TRYING TO FIND A
PLACE TO RELOCATE THE BUSES TO.
ONE PROPERTY OWNER, SAYS, HEY, IF YOU CAN FIND A PROPERTY IN
THE COUNTY, WE'LL SELL YOU OUR PROPERTY IN THE CITY.

WE EVEN HAD ONE PROPERTY OWNER WHO SAID, WELL, IF YOU WANT
TO GO AHEAD AND FILE EMINENT DOMAIN, THEN WE WOULD BE HAPPY
TO WORK WITH YOU ON OUR PROPERTY.
WE GET ALL SORTS OF FEEDBACK, COMMENTS AND SELLERS THAT
WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DEAL WITH.
WE DO A LOT OF COLD CALLING.
JUST BECAUSE AS WE TALKED ABOUT, THE PAST THREE YEARS, IT'S
BEEN A VERY, VERY TIGHT MARKET, ESPECIALLY WHEN LOOKING OVER
FIVE ACRES PLUS.
HOPEFULLY THIS WILL FINALLY COME TO AN END, THAT WE'LL BE
ABLE TO START DOING THE DESIGN.
YOU'VE GOT YOUR NEW CONSULTANT THAT IS GOING TO BE ON BOARD
THROUGH CONTRACT ADMIN TO ASSIST THE CHIEF ON HER FOOTPRINT
AND A FEASIBILITY ON ALL OUR PROPERTIES MOVING FORWARD.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
3:53:28PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IT'S FUNNY, MS. FANAL, PLEASURE TO SEE YOU
HERE.
YOU ARE WONDERFUL.
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN HAD MENTIONED WHAT I THOUGHT WAS A
GREAT IDEA, TALKING TO A LOT OF FIREFIGHTERS.
THAT HE THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA TO SEE IF WE HAD TO DO
IT IN CITY LIMITS.
DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS WITHIN CITY LIMITS?
3:53:51PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
WE DID LOOK PREVIOUSLY AT PROPERTIES
OUTSIDE THE CITY.

UNFORTUNATELY AS YOU GET TOO FAR EAST, YOUR ACCESS FROM A
LOGISTIC FEASIBILITY.
SINCE IT CAME UP AT COUNCIL A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND WE
ALSO THEN OFFICIALLY FELT, YOU ALL FELT IT MIGHT BE
SOMETHING YOU WOULD LOOK AT, WE DID EXPAND OUR SEARCH ON THE
EASTERN CORRIDOR, BASICALLY ABOUT HILLSBOROUGH TO ADAMO JUST
EAST OF THE CITY LINE AND WE ARE CURRENTLY VETTING THREE
ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES TO BRING TO THE CHIEF.
AGAIN, WE DON'T STOP LOOKING UNTIL WE'RE UNDER CONTRACT FOR
ACQUISITION OF A PROPERTY.
3:54:28PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:54:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COULD YOU EXPAND ON THE WEST SIDE, TOO,
THE DALE MABRY CORRIDOR, DALE MABRY TO THE EAST?
3:54:36PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
MOST OF THE PROPERTIES WE LOOK AT OUT
THERE FOR THE CHIEF LOGISTIC BEING CENTRAL ACCESS TO
STATIONS AND UP NORTH AND THE OTHER FLEET, FOR THE FIRE
OPERATIONS, IT IS MOST EFFECTIVE IF WE FOCUS ON THE EAST.
WE DO LOOK BUT THEY HAVE EITHER BEEN TO GET THE LARGER
PROPERTIES, THEY HAVE EITHER BEEN TOO FAR WEST OR WAY NORTH
OF THE UNIVERSITY AREA.
3:55:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU'VE LOOKED AT, JUST HAVEN'T FOUND A
PROPERTY SUITABLE.
3:55:04PM >> YES.
3:55:05PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
REALLY QUICK, IF I MAY.

WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS MAKE A MOTION FOR THESE TO COME BACK
TO US.
I'LL LOOK AT THE CALENDAR FOR A GIVEN TIME.
WE ALWAYS GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON THIS AND GOOD TO HAVE
THE MOST UPDATED INFORMATION.
IT PROBABLY WILL BE A WRITTEN REPORT, WHATEVER AND TALK TO
YOU ALL OFF-LINE ABOUT IT.
QUICK QUESTION FOR CHIEF TRIPP, IF I MAY.
WE MENTION HERE DOWNTOWN.
I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ON EXPANDING ONE, A
LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF MY PROFESSIONAL
SPECIALTY, OBVIOUSLY.
WHAT AT THIS TIME?
OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE YOUR OWN WISH LIST AND YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY
CONSTRAINED BY THINGS.
I KNOW I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, YOU WANT
MORE ACTION DOWNTOWN TO MEET THE NEEDS OF DOWNTOWN.
I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH.
3:55:57PM >> NO, THAT IS TRUE.
I'M IN THE PROCESS OF ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL TO ADD AN
ADDITIONAL RESCUE CAR.
BEING IN THIS POSITION THE LAST FEW YEARS, EVERYTHING IS
OUTDATED.
SO THE WAY WE DISPATCH OUR CALLS IS USING MORE RESOURCES
THAN WE NEED.

ONCE WE GET THE CAD SYSTEM THAT WILL ELIMINATE A LOT OF
THAT.
UP UNTIL THEN, I AM LOOKING TO ADD ANOTHER UNIT TO STATION
ONE AND THAT UNIT WILL HELP WITH ALL OF THE MEDICAL CALLS
THAT GOES ON IN DOWNTOWN.
I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN LOOKING AT PROPERTY RIGHT OUTSIDE OF
DOWNTOWN PROPERTY.
IT WAS ONE LOCATION THAT WE USED TO HAVE.
ACTUALLY A CITY BUILDING THAT'S THERE.
USED TO BE AN OLD DISPATCH SYSTEM.
I'M LOOKING TO SEE WHAT WE CAN PUT ON THERE.
EVEN IF WE PUT ONE OF THE POTABLE FIRE STATIONS TO HELP WITH
DOWNTOWN TAMPA.
HAVEN'T STOPPED.
I'M WATCHING MY NUMBERS.
3:56:52PM >>LUIS VIERA:
QUESTION FOR YOU, WHICH IS, WHAT WOULD YOU
NEED FROM US, IF ANYTHING AT THIS TIME, REQUEST FOR A
FEASIBILITY STUDY AND HOW TO PROCEED WITH DOWNTOWN.
THAT'S HOW WE STARTED ON STATION 25, IT WOULD GO FROM 24 TO
25 AND NOW DOING 24, WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US.
WOULD IT BE A FEASIBILITY STUDY REQUEST TO MOVE THIS ALONG
AND PUT PRESSURE TO SEE THIS HAPPEN?
3:57:18PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
I THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A FEASIBILITY
STUDY, I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING TAMPA FIRE IS GOING TO NEED
IN THE FUTURE.

I'M NOT SAYING AT THIS MOMENT ONLY BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO
IMPLEMENT SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WAS RECOMMENDED
FROM THE PREVIOUS NEEDS STUDY.
WITH THAT, IT SHOWS WE NEED ADDITIONAL UNITS.
OF COURSE, WE'RE GROWING.
MORE PEOPLE COMING.
AS FAR AS DOWNTOWN, THE CALL VOLUME, IT'S THERE, BUT THEY
ARE ACTUALLY RUNNING OUTSKIRTS OF DOWNTOWN TAMPA.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS COME BACK WITH YOU WITH SOME
DATA.
MAYBE THE FIRST OR SECOND QUARTER TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT THE
CALL VOLUME HAS BEEN DOWNTOWN AND BREAK IT DOWN FOR YOU WITH
THE MEDICAL VERSUS FIRE-RELATED CALLS AND SEE WHERE WE GO
FROM THERE.
3:58:01PM >> I'M MONITORING THE DATA.
I GET MONTHLY REPORTS.
JUST TO LET YOU ALL KNOW AS WELL, TAMPA FIRE MEETS WITH
MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS ONCE A MONTH, SOMETIMES EVERY THREE
WEEKS, TO STAY ON TARGET WITH ALL THE INITIATIVES THAT WE
HAVE GOING ON.
THAT'S WHERE REAL ESTATE COME IN.
I HAVE LEGAL THERE.
I HAVE LAM THERE.
I HAVE ALL THESE DEPARTMENTS BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, HEY, WE NEED
THIS, AND NEED THIS AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE PUSHING THE

PEDAL ALONG.
3:58:29PM >>LUIS VIERA:
LASTLY, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AT MOTION
TIME, LASTLY I KNOW WE HAD GIVEN AN EXTENSION ON THE UPDATED
PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN TO MARCH -- BECAUSE I GUESS YOU'RE
UPDATING THE ONE OF 2022, THE STUDY, SO MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT
THAT AROUND THAT TIME.
THAT'S ALL.
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
3:58:45PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
I'LL AGREE WITH YOU.
I'M NOT SAYING WE DON'T NEED ONE.
YES, WE DO, BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE A WASTE OF MONEY WHEN
THEY ARE GOING TO TELL US THE SAME THING THIS PREVIOUS STUDY
HAS DONE.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS ADMINISTRATION IS DOING NOW TRYING TO
IMPLEMENT A LOT OF THAT INFORMATION THAT WAS GIVEN.
3:59:03PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
3:59:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
3:59:06PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
I REALLY DON'T HAVE A QUESTION.
I JUST HAVE A COMMENT FOR MS. VAN LOAN.
YOU SAID WE DO A LOT OF COLD CALLING.
THAT KIND OF TRIGGERED ME.
YOU ARE LIKE THESE PEOPLE, THE INVESTMENT FOLKS THAT CALL
OUR HOUSE ASKING TO BUY THE PROPERTY, THE CITY IS PART OF
THAT PROCESS.

THAT'S VERY INTERESTING TO ME.
DO YOU GET A LOT OF PEOPLE TELLING YOU NO?
3:59:28PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
REAL ESTATE.
WE DON'T QUITE CALL YOU AT 7:00 OR 9:00 AT NIGHT.
WE USUALLY START WITH LETTERS THAT WE WILL SEND TO THE
PROPERTY OWNER OF RECORD.
IF WE KNOW THEY ARE ACTUALLY OPERATING THE BUSINESS, WE MAY
FOLLOW UP IN PERSON AT THE BUSINESS OR CALL THE BUSINESS
DIRECTLY, BUT WE ARE NOT LOOKING UP WHERE THEY LIVE AND DO
IT THAT WAY.
YES, WE ARE LIKE ANY INVESTOR.
WE'RE GOING AFTER PROPERTY THE SAME WAY EVERYBODY ELSE DOES.
WE DON'T HAVE SECRET TIPS ON HOW TO GO OUT AND REACH PEOPLE.
IT IS A NUMBERS GAME AND YOU GO OUT AND REACH OUT TO AS MANY
PROPERTIES THAT YOU CAN FIND THAT YOU HOPE MIGHT MEET THE
CRITERIA YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
4:00:08PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ARE THERE OTHER THINGS WE'RE CONSIDERING
THAT WE NEED PROPERTY FOR BESIDES THIS?
4:00:14PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
RIGHT NOW, THIS IS OUR BIGGEST PRIORITY
THAT WE ARE PURSUING.
THERE ARE A FEW THINGS DOWN THE ROAD WHERE WE KNOW THERE IS
A LEASE THAT WILL COME UP IN TWO TO THREE YEARS.
BUT, AGAIN, WITH PROPERTY, IF WE FIND SOMETHING THAT IS A
GOOD DEAL, THIS JUST ISN'T THE MARKET RIGHT NOW WITH THINGS
BEING SO TIGHT.

THEY KEEP TALKING ABOUT INTEREST RATES FLATTENING OUT OR IT
MIGHT BECOME A BUYER'S MARKET AGAIN.
I WOULD SAY THIS HAS BEEN THE HIGHEST PRIORITY FOR
ADMINISTRATION AS FAR AS NEW ACQUISITIONS.
WE ALSO DO LOOK AT THE HOUSING, BUT WE TEND TO LOOK AT MUCH
SMALLER PARCELS FOR WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT COMPARED TO THIS.
THOSE ARE A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO FIND.
YOU HEAR MS. HENDERSON COME IN OR MS. FEELEY COME IN AND
TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THOSE AS WE LOOK AT
HELPING TO FINANCE NEW TRANSITIONAL HOUSING AND NEW
MULTIFAMILY HOUSING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING INITIATIVES.
4:01:10PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MS. HENDERSON IS GONE.
I UNDERSTAND.
THANK YOU.
4:01:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHILE YOU'RE UP HERE, I WANTED TO SAY -- YOU
KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS OFF-LINE SOME AND WITH
OTHER THINGS, I WANT TO SAY WHAT A GREAT JOB YOU AND YOUR
STAFF ARE DOING AND THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO GET YOUR NEW GIS
SYSTEM THAT WILL MAKE THIS NO LONGER AN INDIVIDUAL PHYSICAL
JOB AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO A LOT MORE.
JUST VERY EXCITED FOR YOU AND YOUR TEAM TO GET SOME UPGRADED
EQUIPMENT.
4:01:40PM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
I ALSO FOUND OUT, E-MAIL WHILE SITTING
THERE, MY NEW GIS TECH AND REAL ESTATE TECH IS OFFICIALLY
STARTING NOVEMBER 16.

SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT ALSO.
4:01:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CONGRATULATIONS.
AND CHIEF TRIPP, ALONG THE LINES OF COUNCILMAN VIERA'S
QUESTIONS ABOUT THINGS YOU NEED, THE ONLY THING I DIDN'T
HEAR HIM TALK ABOUT WAS PERSONNEL, BECAUSE THOSE NUMBERS
HAVE NOT CHANGED, BUT THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA HAS CHANGED.
I KNOW YOU WERE LOOKING AND WAITING FOR THE 17 PEOPLE TO SEE
IF WE CAN GET THE GRANT.
IF WE DON'T GET THE GRANT, WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US IN TERMS
OF PERSONNEL?
4:02:20PM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
IT'S 18 THAT I REQUESTED.
IF I DON'T GET 18, I'LL TAKE HALF.
I'LL TAKE HALF JUST TO TRY TO GET A COUPLE OF THOSE UNITS IN
AND MAKE SURE I CAN ASK FOR A COUPLE MORE.
4:02:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
4:02:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY ELSE?
DOES THAT SATISFY THE MOTION?
4:02:39PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
THANK YOU.
4:02:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT IS ITEM 73.
WE HAVE MS. KELLY AUSTIN, DIRECTOR OF HR AND TALENT
DEVELOPMENT WITH A VERBAL REPORT AND SHE HAS HER TEAM WITH

HER.
4:02:58PM >>BILL CARLSON:
LIKE YOU ALL, I GET STOPPED ON THE STREETS
BY EMPLOYEES.
I GET CALLS FROM EMPLOYEES, AND THEY GIVE ANONYMOUS FEEDBACK
ALL THE TIME.
AND ONE OF THE PIECES OF FEEDBACK I GOT A COUPLE OF TIMES
WAS THEY THINK THAT WE NEED MORE LEADERSHIP TRAINING.
THIS WAS NOT MY IDEA.
IT CAME FROM EMPLOYEES WHO GAVE IT TO ME ANONYMOUSLY.
I'M JUST PASSING IT ON.
4:03:26PM >> KELLY AUSTIN, DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES AND TALENT
DEVELOPMENT.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN FRONT OF
COUNCIL TODAY.
THE TIMING IS VERY NICE BECAUSE AFTER 28 YEARS OF FAITHFULLY
SERVING THE CITY, KAY HUNTER IS RETIRING.
KAY HAS BEEN THE FACE OF TRAINING FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
SHE IS THE ONE WHO IMPARTS A CULTURE OF SERVICE TO EMPLOYEES
WHEN THEY WALK THROUGH THE DOOR ON DAY ONE.
STAY TUNED, COUNCIL, BECAUSE WE'LL BE CELEBRATING KAY NEXT
MONTH.
WE ARE PASSING THE TORCH OFF.
SHE'S HELPING US WITH THE TRANSITION.
I WOULD BE PROUD TO INTRODUCE TO COUNCIL DR. SABRINA LEWIS
WHO JOINS US.

SHE IS NOT FROM UT.
SHE IS FROM USF, WHERE SHE SPENT 19 YEARS WORKING AT THE
UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA AS WELL AS BEING A GRADUATE OF
USF.
DR. LEWIS' EXPERTISE IS IN ADULT LEARNING SO IT DOVETAILS
NICELY WITH WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON IS HEARING FROM FEEDBACK
FROM EMPLOYEES.
BEFORE I GO INTO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IN THE FUTURE
UNDER DR. LEWIS AND HER NEW TENURE WITH THE CITY AS THE
TRAINING MANAGER, JUST KIND OF WANT TO LEVEL-SET ON WHERE WE
ARE AT TODAY.
KAY HAS WORKED DILIGENTLY TO BRING BACK IN-PERSON
ORIENTATION.
YOU KNOW WE HAD TO SHUT THAT DOWN DURING COVID, AND THEN
SPACE BECAME AN ISSUE.
WITH HANNA OPENING UP, WE BROUGHT BACK IN-PERSON
ORIENTATION, SO EVERY TWO WEEKS NEW HIRES GET TO COME IN
PERSON.
WE MADE IT WHERE THEY CAN GET THEIR BENEFITS DAY ONE.
WE WORKED WITH T & I ON SOME OF THE NETWORK ISSUES THAT WE
HAD SO THAT THE EMPLOYEES HAVE THE ABILITY TO SIGN IN, GET
THEIR E-MAILS, GET ALL THEIR ACCESSES WHILE THEY HAVE THE
TRAINING GROUP WITH THEM.
WE'VE INVITED CERTAIN PEOPLE TO COME INTO ORIENTATION ON DAY
ONE TO MAKE IT MORE INTERACTIVE WITH THE NEW HIRES.

THE CHIEF OF STAFF COMES EVERY TWO WEEKS EITHER VIA ZOOM OR
IN PERSON AND INTRODUCE HIMSELF AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE
CITY.
SO IT'S REALLY NICE.
SO WE WOULD PUT THAT INVITATION OUT IF COUNCIL EVER WANTS TO
GO, WE CAN SHARE THE ORIENTATION SCHEDULE.
WE CAN GIVE YOU A ZOOM LINK OR IF YOU JUST WANT TO POP IN AT
PERSON ON HANNA AND SAY HELLO, ALWAYS WELCOME.
WE ALWAYS MAKE TIME FOR THAT.
WE'RE EXCITED THAT THAT'S IN-PERSON AGAIN.
I THINK THAT IS YOUR FIRST -- FIRST DAY AT THE CITY TO BE
IN-PERSON.
ZOOM IS WHAT WE DID TO GET BY DURING THE PANDEMIC.
AS COUNCIL IS AWARE, WE STILL CONDUCT THE CULTURAL INCLUSIVE
AWARENESS TEAM.
THIS TEAM OVERSEES THE CONTRACTORS WE USE TO ACCOMPLISH
THAT.
WE HAVE LEADING DIVERSE TEAMS TRAINING WE ALWAYS CONDUCTED
INTERNALLY AT THE CITY.
WE HAVE A LEADERSHIP EXCELLENCE SERIES WHICH IS REALLY
DESIGNED FOR SUPERVISORS AND MANAGERS NEWLY PROMOTED SO IT
DOESN'T REALLY SCRATCH THE ITCH OF THE FURTHER LEADERSHIP
DEVELOPMENT OF MID AND SENIOR LEVEL MANAGERS AND
ADMINISTRATORS AND SO ON.
BUT IT IS A NICE LEADERSHIP CLASS.

IT RUNS FOR FOUR WEEKS, FOUR HOURS EACH SESSION AND WE HAVE
DIFFERENT GROUPS IN THE CITY COME IN AND SPEAK.
SO THEY LEARN ABOUT THE PURCHASING PROCESS, THEY LEARN ABOUT
EMPLOYEE RELATIONS.
THEY LEARN ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT FACETS OF THE CITY AND
HOW THEIR ROLE IN NEWLY BEING PROMOTED INTO MANAGEMENT, HOW
THAT INTERFACES WITH THAT.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE IN-HOUSE THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO.
WE HAVE A LEARNING LIBRARY THAT WE PURCHASED PROBABLY ABOUT
THREE YEARS AGO, AND WE PULL DOWN ITEMS FROM THAT LEARNING
LIBRARY AND BUILD SPECIFIED TRAINING AT THE REQUEST OF
DEPARTMENTS.
IF SOMEBODY IS STRUGGLING WITH A PARTICULAR ASPECT, WHETHER
LEADERSHIP, RESUM WRITING, HOW TO DO AN EVALUATION,
CONFLICT RESOLUTION, WE PROVIDE INDIVIDUAL ONE-ON-ONE
CURRICULUM AND TRAINING FOR THAT AS WELL.
WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO MOVING FORWARD WITH DR. LEWIS?
KAY IS PASSING THE TORCH OFF AND SABRINA IS VERY EXCITED
ABOUT JOINING THE CITY.
WHEN WE INTERVIEWED HER, IT WAS SO OBVIOUS EVERY TIME I
TALKED WITH HER AND THE TEAM TALKED WITH HER, I SAID WE'VE
GOT TO HONE IN ON THIS BECAUSE SHE MEETS THAT.
SHE'S GOT THAT CULTURE OF SERVICE PHILOSOPHY THAT WE WANT TO
MAKE SURE WE KEEP.
BUT WITH THE ADULT LEARNING SPECIALTY BEING HER WHEEL HOUSE,

I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE VERY SUCCESSFUL IN WHAT WE HOPE TO
DO AS THE NEW YEAR APPROACHES, DR. LEWIS WOULD LIKE TO
SURVEY THE EMPLOYEES TO FIND OUT WHAT WOULD THEY LIKE.
IF WE COULD OFFER ANYTHING, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE.
AND ALSO REMIND EMPLOYEES OF TUITION REIMBURSEMENT FOR
PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING TO TAKE A JOURNEY AND PERHAPS GROW
AND DEVELOP.
WE WANT PEOPLE TO STAY WITH US, BUT CERTAINLY IF THAT'S NOT
THEIR DESIRE THEY STILL HAVE TUITION REIMBURSEMENT AVAILABLE
TO THEM.
DR. LEWIS AND I HAVE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT AN INTERNAL
MENTORSHIP PROGRAM TO TRY TO RETAIN THE LEADERS IN THE
ORGANIZATION AND HELP THEM GROW AND DEVELOP.
WE'RE TENTATIVELY CALLING IT GROW OUR OWN, WORKING TITLE
RIGHT NOW.
WE'LL SEE IF WE STICK WITH THAT.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE AS WELL.
THEN WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US
IN THE LEARNING LIBRARY AND ALSO LOOK OUTWARD.
THERE ARE SOME EXTERNAL LEADERSHIP CLASSES, CORNELL AND
THINGS OF THAT NATURE BUT WE'LL TRY TO LOOK A LITTLE CLOSER
TO HOME AND SEE IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE
MORE DOABLE FOR A GREATER POPULATION THAN ONE OR TWO PEOPLE
GETTING SENT TO LIKE A CORNELL LEADERSHIP SERIES.
I'LL TAKE A BREATH AND OPEN IT UP TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS OR

FEEDBACK.
HAPPY TO HEAR IT.
4:08:59PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU, CHAIR.
I AM SO GLAD TO HEAR THIS BECAUSE WE DO NEED A SUCCESSION
PLAN.
WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE PROBABLY RETIRING IN A LOT OF AREAS.
4:09:08PM >>KELLY AUSTIN:
OH, YEAH.
4:09:10PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE HAVE THE SITUATION IN OUR ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT DIVISION, AND WE NEED PEOPLE TO STEP UP.
I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT.
LEARNING LIBRARY, IS IT DIGITAL?
DO THE EMPLOYEES ALREADY KNOW ABOUT IT?
4:09:22PM >>KELLY AUSTIN:
YES.
WHAT WE DO TODAY, THOUGH, WE BUILD A CURRICULUM BASED AROUND
WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE IN THE LIBRARY.
SO IF WE'RE HAVING A COACHING CONVERSATION WITH AN EMPLOYEE,
KAY OR SOMEBODY ON OUR TEAM WOULD PULL THOSE DOWN FOR THE
EMPLOYEE AND LET THEM TAKE THOSE COURSES AND CLASSES AND
PROVIDE THEM WITH LINKS TO DO IT.
IT'S NOT JUST OUT THERE PUBLISHED BECAUSE IT'S VERY
EXPANSIVE AND EXTENSIVE.
RIGHT NOW IT IS NOT BUT IT IS ONE OF THE GOALS WE KIND OF
HAD WHEN WE BOUGHT IT, PUT IT ON THE iNET AND LET PEOPLE
TAKE IT AT WILL.
BUT IF YOU WANT CREDIT FOR IT, WE HAVE TO RUN IT THROUGH

ORACLE, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME INTERACTION WITH
THEM.
4:10:02PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ANYTHING FOR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, LIKE A
COURSE IN PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT
WE COULD USE?
4:10:10PM >>KELLY AUSTIN:
I'M ON THE 457 COMMITTEE AND I WOULD LOVE A
CLASS LIKE THAT AS WELL.
WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN OUR LEARNING LIBRARY.
4:10:19PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT.
I HAVEN'T HAD THAT COURSE SINCE FRESHMAN YEAR OF COLLEGE.
THAT WOULD BE NICE.
4:10:26PM >>KELLY AUSTIN:
I WILL TAKE IT WITH YOU.
4:10:27PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I MAKE A MOTION FOR ALL OF US TO TAKE IT.
MAYBE I CAN GET FOUR VOTES.
NO, NO.
[ LAUGHTER ]
I KNOW ALAN WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING FUNNY.
NO, WAIT A MINUTE.
LET ME FINISH.
TUITION REIMBURSEMENT, JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, HOW MANY OF
OUR EMPLOYEES TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT?
AND DO WE HAVE THE BUDGET FOR THAT?
I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT AS A BUDGET LINE ITEM.
4:10:54PM >> PROBABLY ABOUT 25% OF THE GENERAL EMPLOYEES, BUT A GREAT
PERCENTAGE OF FIRE AND POLICE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

NOW, WE DO PROMOTE IT AT ORIENTATION.
THEY HAVE TO FINISH THEIR FIRST SIX MONTHS PROBATIONARY
PERIOD.
YOU SEE A LOT OF THE FIRE TAKE IT BECAUSE THEY NEED THAT
PARAMEDIC CERTIFICATION.
THERE ARE DIFFERENT BUCKETS FOR THE DIFFERENT GROUPS.
YOUR WASTEWATER, CERTIFICATIONS AND LICENSURES THEY HAVE TO
GET AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
YOU SEE SOME PEOPLE TAKE IT JUST BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO HELP
THEM WITH THE EXISTING JOB THEY HAVE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MASTERS PROGRAMS.
A COUPLE OF PEOPLE IN Ph.D. PROGRAMS THAT TAKE ADVANTAGE
OF THE TUITION REIMBURSEMENT.
4:11:41PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE FOR THE
CITY OF TAMPA AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
4:11:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
ANYTHING ELSE?
ARE YOU GOOD?
4:11:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SAME THING.
THANK YOU.
CONGRATULATE YOU LATER.
LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.
A FEW THINGS REAL FAST, ONE OF THE COMMENTS I GET IS ABOUT
CULTURE, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ALL ARE PREPARED AND ON IT.
LET ME SAY AS A CAVEAT, THIS WHOLE AREA OF DISCUSSION

CLEARLY IN THE CHARTER IS A POWER OF THE MAYOR, NOT OF CITY
COUNCIL.
SO I APPRECIATE THE MAYOR AND CHIEF OF STAFF AND OTHERS
ALLOWING US TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.
IT'S GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK
TOGETHER ON THIS AND LISTENING TO OUR EMPLOYEES.
ALSO, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF -- FROM COVID TO OTHER ISSUES,
HURRICANES AND POLITICS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, BEEN A LOT
OF ISSUES.
IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS A GROWING CONSENSUS TO TRY TO HAVE
PEACE FOR THE NEXT TWO AND A HALF YEARS, I HOPE THAT HOLDS.
IF THAT CAN HOLD, WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO ENSURE THAT THE
EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY HAVE POSITIVE CULTURE.
THE OTHER THING, LIKE MY COLLEAGUE MENTIONED, FOLKS WANT TO
MOVE UP.
THEY WANT TO SEE THAT THERE'S ROOM FOR ADVANCEMENT.
AND THEY ALSO WANT TO DEVELOP CAREERS.
THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE HERE FOR A LONG TIME.
THE MORE ENTHUSIASM YOU ALL CAN CREATE, YOU KNOW THIS AREA
BETTER THAN I.
IF WE GIVE THEM TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES, LEADERSHIP
DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES, MANY TIMES WE TURN IN HOUSE
BECAUSE WE'RE ONE OF THE BIGGEST CITIES AND GREAT STAFF
ALREADY, TURN IN HOUSE AND HIRE FOLKS BUT WE WANT PEOPLE TO
KNOW WE HAVE GREAT TRAINING THAT WILL HELP THEM.

PROGRAMS YOU MENTIONED, CORNELL, ET CETERA, FULLY SUPPORTIVE
OF THOSE.
I THINK PEOPLE NEED SIGNALS LIKE THAT ON THEIR RESUM S AND
THEY NEED TO KNOW THEY ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO GO ANYWHERE ELSE
IF THEY HAVE THOSE ON THEIR RESUM S AND THEY NEED TO KNOW WE
APPRECIATE THEM SO MUCH THAT WE WOULD INVEST IN THOSE WAYS.
THE OTHER THING, WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE
UNIONS.
I THINK WE ALL TALK TO THE UNIONS A LOT.
AND THEN THERE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WORK AROUND THE MAYOR.
THEY GET LOTS OF RAISES AND EVERYTHING.
BUT THE PEOPLE IN BETWEEN, MID-LEVEL MANAGERS, SEVERAL OF
THEM HAVE SAID THEY FEEL LEFT OUT OF THE RAISES AND CULTURE
AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE FEELS LIKE
PART OF ONE TEAM AND EVERYONE FEELS LIKE THEY GET
ADVANCEMENT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T
MISS ANYBODY.
THANK YOU.
4:14:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYBODY ELSE?
4:14:18PM >> COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I WOULD ADD, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE
SAYING.
WHEN I CAME INTO HR, I NOTICED THERE REALLY WASN'T ANY PATH,
STEPPING-STONES FOR THE LOWER-LEVEL EMPLOYEES.

SO THAT WAS ONE OF MY FIRST CHALLENGES AND THE
ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OVER THE SIX YEARS
I'VE BEEN HERE, EVERY BUDGET SEASON, EXCEPT FOR THIS ONE.
BUT I'VE BUILT IN SOME STEPPING-STONES WHERE PEOPLE, IF THEY
WANTED A CAREER IN HR, THEY COULD STAY IN HR AND MOVE AROUND
A LITTLE BIT.
BUT I THINK WE'VE BEEN A LITTLE BIT REMISS WHEN YOU START
GOING UP THE CHAIN ABOUT THAT LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT, THAT
SUCCESSION PLANNING.
SABRINA IS FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
I'M ORIGINALLY FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
THAT'S A BIG PART, GROWING YOUR OWN, MOVING THEM UP, HAVING
A PATH.
AS LONG AS WE STICK TO CIVIL SERVICE RULES WE CAN STILL DO
MENTORING AND SUCCESSION PLANNING FOR CLASSIFIED EMPLOYEES
THAT KIND OF FALL INTO THIS GROUP THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I THINK WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF BUILDING STEPPING-STONES
FOR THE LOWER RANKS TO KIND OF MOVE AROUND, BUT I THINK WE
NEED TO MOVE UP AND FOCUS ON THAT MIDDLE GROUP TO GET A
BETTER BANG FOR THE BUCK.
4:15:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX ITEMS TO GO.
IF WE COULD MAKE SURE WE STAY WITHIN THAT FIVE-MINUTE PER
COUNCIL MEMBER FIRST ROUND AND THEN LET THE PRESENTER MAKE
THE PRESENTATION BEFORE WE START ASKING QUESTIONS.

ITEM 74 IS MR. TONY MULKEY.
A MOTION INITIATED BY COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
4:15:51PM >>TONY MULKEY:
TONY MULKEY, PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR.
THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME TO TALK ABOUT THE CREATIVE LOAFING
BRUNCH EVENT AT THE TAMPA RIVER CENTER.
PREPARED A WRITTEN MEMO, BUT I WANT TO GO INTO A LITTLE MORE
DETAIL FOR EVERYONE FOR UNDERSTANDING OF THE STRUCTURE
SYSTEM AND WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO.
TO BEGIN WITH, THE CREATIVE LOAFING BRUNCH EVENT TOOK PLACE
IN 2024 AND 2023.
FOR FULL TRANSPARENCY, THEY HAD A SIMILAR EVENT TWO PREVIOUS
YEARS IN 2020 AND 2022.
SO IT WASN'T NECESSARILY UNDER THE BRUNCH EVENT BUT THEY HAD
TWO OTHERS.
THESE EVENTS WERE TICKETED EVENTS THAT THEY UTILIZED THE
RIVER CENTER FOR AND HAD A VARIETY OF VENDORS THERE THAT
PROVIDED SAMPLES TO THE PUBLIC AS PART OF THEIR TICKET.
NOW, THE QUESTION IS HOW THESE VENDORS WERE ABLE TO OPERATE
WITH OUR PREFERRED VENDING PROGRAM THAT IS STILL IN PLACE
RIGHT NOW, WAS THAT THE EVENT WAS LICENSED UNDER AN APPROVED
VENDOR.
AND THEN THE OTHER VENDORS THAT CAME IN ACTED LIKE A
SUBCONTRACTOR, ESSENTIALLY.
IT'S SIMILAR TO HOW LIKE A FLOWER DECORATOR OR A WEDDING
PLANNER WOULD OPERATE BUT FOOD AND BEVERAGE HAD TO GO

THROUGH THAT APPROVED VENDOR.
WE TRIED TO STRUCTURE IT VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE CONVENTION
CENTER DOES WHEN THEY HAVE PEOPLE COME IN FOR A CONVENTION
OR SOMETHING, BUT WE'VE LISTENED.
WE'VE LISTENED TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE'VE LISTENED AND APPROACHED THIS WITH THE SPIRIT OF
OPPORTUNITY AND THE AVAILABILITY FOR EVERYONE TO GET IN
THERE.
EVERYONE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A CHANCE AT PROVIDING SERVICES
AT A CITY FACILITY, A COMMUNITY FACILITY.
SO MOVING FORWARD, I KNOW WE HAVE A WORKSHOP COMING UP VERY
SOON, IN ABOUT THREE WEEKS, AND LOOK FORWARD TO DISCUSSING
WHAT THOSE PLANS ARE TO ROLL OUT A NEW SYSTEM BEGINNING IN
2025.
CURRENTLY CYCLE OF THE RFP WITH THE PREFERRED VENDORS ENDS
IN APRIL.
WE KNOW WE HAVE A LEAD TIME ON EVENTS AT THE RIVER CENTER
BECAUSE IT DOES FILL UP QUICKLY.
I WOULD LIKE TO GO OVER ALL ASPECTS OF THAT DURING THE
WORKSHOP AND TRY TO BREAK IT DOWN.
WE DO INTEND TO OPEN IT UP FOR ANYONE WHO QUALIFIES TO BE A
VENDOR AT THIS SPACE, WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS TO TRY AND ADDRESS THOSE.
4:18:25PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU FOR COMING TODAY.
I KNOW YOU WROTE THE MEMO.
I'M GLAD YOU ALL DID AND IT GOT INTO OUR SYSTEM IN TIME
ENOUGH.
THIS WILLING CLASSIFIED AS A CHARITY EVENT.
IS THAT ANYWHERE ON OUR WEBSITE THAT LETS THE PUBLIC KNOW
THAT THEY CAN USE THIS SPACE AS A CHARITY EVENT AND PICK A
SUBCONTRACTOR OF THEIR CHOOSING TO HAVE AN EVENT AT THE
RIVER CENTER?
4:18:53PM >> THERE IS A SMALL BLURB IN THE FAQs, SO I DON'T THINK IT
IS GOOD ENOUGH.
4:18:57PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OKAY, GOOD.
IT DOESN'T SAY THAT.
WHAT IT GIVES THE IMPRESSION OF IS IF THE CATER DOESN'T HAVE
A PARTICULAR SOMETHING, THEN THEY CAN SUBCONTRACT LIKE THE
COFFEE OR CAKE.
THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS.
IT DOESN'T GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT 14 VIABLE CITY
RESTAURANTS CAN COME AND USE THE FACILITY.
ALSO, WHO WAS THE ACTUAL CONTRACTOR THAT THEY WORKED UP
UNDER, THE LICENSED CATER.
4:19:21PM >> CBK.
4:19:22PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
CBK WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF THESE
FOLKS.
THE RULE ALSO SAYS HERE, OR AT LEAST THE ANSWER TO THE

PUBLIC, IT SAYS THAT THE CATERER CAN BRING IN ON BEHALF OF,
YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED.
IN OTHER WORDS, CREATIVE LOAFING WANTS A VARIETY OF FOOD.
IT SAYS THAT THE LICENSED CATERER WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA CAN
DO THAT ON THEIR BEHALF.
THAT'S NOT HOW THIS EVENT OPERATED.
IT LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE THERE FOR THEMSELVES.
4:19:54PM >>TONY MULKEY:
YES, THEY WERE PROMOTING THEMSELVES.
DEFINITELY IN A STRUCTURE LIKE THIS, IT WAS KIND OF A
SHOWCASE FOR THOSE BUSINESSES.
THEY WERE LIMITED TO ONE-OUNCE SAMPLES.
ANY SUBSTANTIVE FOOD, WHICH THEY DID HAVE LIKE A MENU THEY
OFFERED AND DRINKS.
4:20:07PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IT WAS ALL YOU CAN EAT.
SAYS ON THE COVER ON THE VERY TITLE.
ADVERTISED IN CREATIVE LOAFING, IT SAYS CREATIVE LOAFING ALL
YOU CAN EAT BRUNCH EVENT RETURNS TO TAMPA.
DON'T USE THE ONE OUNCE PLEASE.
THAT WOULDN'T BE RIGHT.
HERE IS THE OTHER THING TOO.
ON OUR WEB PAGE OR EVEN WHEN THE COMMUNITY COMES TO TRY TO
GET THE RIVER CENTER, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S WRITTEN IN
YOUR MEMO, IT SAYS THAT SITUATIONS THAT ALLOW FOR OUTSIDE
FOOD AND BEVERAGE VENDORS ARE FOR CHARITY EVENTS.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO HAS DONE THIS FOR CHARITY, USED

THE RIVER CENTER?
BECAUSE THAT'S NOT ADVERTISED.
THAT'S NOT CLEAR.
4:20:56PM >>TONY MULKEY:
SURE.
AGAIN, IT'S NOT QUITE ON THE WEBSITE BUT PART OF THE
COORDINATION PROCESS.
AND I THINK --
4:21:05PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IT'S NOT.
CREATIVE LOAFING IS THE ONLY ONE THAT GETS THE DEAL.
THAT'S WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE.
4:21:10PM >>TONY MULKEY:
WE WORKED WITH THE GASPARILLA FESTIVAL.
THE ARTS IS ONE THAT WE HAVE WORKED WITH IN THE PAST WITH
THEIR EVENTS.
WE'VE HAD SEVERAL OTHER INSTANCES OF SIMILAR.
I DON'T HAVE ALL THE DETAILS.
4:21:22PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
HOW WOULD EVERYBODY ELSE KNOW?
SEEMS LIKE THEY WOULD HAVE -- OR AT LEAST IT GIVES THAT
IMPRESSION.
NO ONE ELSE KNOWS THAT, WHETHER ANY OUTSIDE ORGANIZATION CAN
SAY, OH, I WANT TO GIVE SOMETHING TO CHARITY, AND THEY COULD
USE THE JULIAN B. LANE RIVER CENTER AND THEN BRING IN A
SUBCONTRACTOR OR CATERER.
THAT'S NOT -- THE PUBLIC IS NOT PRIVY TO THAT KIND OF
INFORMATION.
4:21:46PM >>TONY MULKEY:
LIKE I SAID, IT WAS NOT AS PROMINENT AS I

WOULD HAVE PREFERRED ON THE FAQs WITH THAT.
WE'VE HAD EVEN PRIVATE EVENTS BRING IN SOMEONE IF THEY HAD A
SPECIALIZED CUISINE LIKE NEEDING KOSHER OR SOME TYPE OF
DIETARY CUISINE, THAT WAS KIND OF THE CATCHALL THAT, HEY,
THESE VENDORS DON'T OFFER SOMETHING, TALK TO US AND WE CAN
HELP BRIDGE THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH A LEAD THAT HAS A SUB.
I'M COMPLETELY AGREEING WITH YOU.
4:22:16PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I WANT TO ASK THE QUESTIONS SO WE DON'T
TAKE UP A LOT OF TIME WITH THE NUANCES OF THIS WHEN WE GET
TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT IT, WORKSHOP.
THE RFP HAS THE SUBCONTRACTOR FORM.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE CATERERS CURRENTLY HAVE TURN IT IN
RFP, CBK LISTED THE 14 CATERERS AS PART OF THE RFQ.
4:22:46PM >>TONY MULKEY:
THEY DID NOT.
4:22:48PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
HOW WERE THEY ALLOWED TO USE IT IF THIS
FORM WAS TURNED IN IN ADVANCE.
4:22:55PM >>TONY MULKEY:
AS FAR AS THE PURCHASING AGREEMENT, I WASN'T
PART OF THE PROCESS THERE.
I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT THE SUBMITTAL REQUIREMENTS WERE FOR
THAT.
FOR THE EVENT, EVERY ONE OF THOSE HAD TO SUBMIT PAPER WORK.
4:23:06PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
AFTER THE FACT?
4:23:08PM >>TONY MULKEY:
AFTER THAT, YES.
4:23:09PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
BECAUSE THIS IS DONE WITH THE SCORING
PROCESS.

THE SUBCONTRACTOR FORM -- I'M SAYING THIS FOR THE PUBLIC.
I THINK YOU KNOW THIS, BUT THIS IS DONE IN ADVANCE FOR US TO
DECIDE IF WE'RE GOING TO USE YOU AS A CONTRACTOR.
THERE ARE SO MANY FLAWS IN THIS SITUATION.
I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE BRINGING SOME LIGHT TO IT.
THERE WAS ONE MORE.
A CONTRACTOR, THE MEMO SAID THERE WERE NINE, BUT THERE ARE
EIGHT LISTED.
WHERE DID THIS OTHER CONTRACT COME FROM?
4:23:51PM >>TONY MULKEY:
WE DID AN RFQ PROCESS FOR THE SMALL MEETING
ROOM FOR THE NONALCOHOLIC EVENTS.
4:23:56PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WHEN DID YOU DO THAT?
4:23:58PM >>TONY MULKEY:
THE SAME TIME AS THE RFQ FOR THE VENDORS IN
THERE.
THE AWARDS WERE AT TWO SEPARATE TIMES.
WHY I SAID NINE IS BECAUSE ONE OF THE VENDORS FROM THE BIG
ROOM QUALIFIED UNDER THE SMALL ROOM GUIDELINES.
SO IT WAS KIND OF TEN AWARDS BUT ENDED UP BEING A DELTA OF
NINE.
WE HAD TWO SEPARATE PROCESSES.
THOSE EXPIRED EARLIER BECAUSE THEY WERE AWARDED EARLIER,
THEY EXPIRED LAST MONTH IN AUGUST.
WE DECIDED NOT TO RENEW THAT BECAUSE WE KNEW MOVING FORWARD
WE WOULD GET RID OF THE RFP PROCESS.
WE'LL DO A QUALIFICATION PROCESS AS NEEDED.

4:24:33PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THE LAST QUESTION IS ABOUT THE COMMUNITY.
THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES.
THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T GET TO USE JULIAN B. LANE, BUT DURING
THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING JULIAN B. LANE, THE COMMUNITY WAS
TOLD, OF COURSE, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO USE THE FACILITY BUT THAT
DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE TRUE AND NOTHING ON THE WEBSITE THAT
INDICATES THE COMMUNITY HAS ACCESS TO IT.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU ALL HAVE ADDRESSED?
4:24:58PM >>TONY MULKEY:
I'LL GET SOME INFORMATION BEFORE THE WORKSHOP
ON THAT.
WE DO HAVE A LOT OF COMMUNITY GROUPS THAT USE IT.
4:25:03PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
FOR FREE?
4:25:05PM >>TONY MULKEY:
YEAH, WE DO.
4:25:06PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
HOW WOULD THEY KNOW?
I LOOK FOR IT.
NAME ONE FOR ME AS AN EXAMPLE.
4:25:12PM >>TONY MULKEY:
I'M THINKING MORE ALONG LIKE THE SCHOOL
DISTRICT OR F.D.O.T. HAS USED COMMUNITY INPUT MEETINGS AND
THEY ARE MORE OF THE OFFICIAL FUNCTIONS.
AS FAR AS A NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP OR OTHER, I WOULD HAVE TO DO
SOME RESEARCH.
4:25:26PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
HOW WOULD THEY GET IN?
F.D.O.T., THOSE FOLKS, HOW DO THEY DO THAT?
MAKE A SPECIAL PHONE CALL OR SOMETHING?
4:25:33PM >>TONY MULKEY:
THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CITY SPONSOR THROUGH A

DIRECTOR.
I CAN PROVIDE THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING AND SHOW YOU THAT WE
HAVE A PROCESS THAT IS VETTED THROUGH A WORK FLOW AND HAS TO
BE SIGNED OFF AT MULTIPLE LEVELS.
4:25:50PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THIS IS A PUBLIC SPACE, SO HOW WOULD THE
PUBLIC KNOW?
IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION.
SEE HOW ISOLATED THIS BECOMES?
THAT'S ALSO ONE OF THE CHALLENGES ABOUT THIS JULIAN B. LANE
RIVER CENTER THAT WE PAID A LOT OF MONEY FOR.
GOT THE BP OIL MONEY TO PAY FOR IT.
THE LIGHT IS YELLOW BUT I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT AND LOOK
FORWARD TO SOME MOVEMENT ON THIS AT OUR SEPTEMBER WORKSHOP.
THANK YOU.
4:26:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FOR MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, MY WIFE AND
I WERE LOOKING AT A PLACE TO GET MARRIED, I LOOKED AT THE
RIVER CENTER.
IT WAS 3,000 TO RENT THE ROOM, THE BIG ROOM AND THEN LIKE
$200 TO HAVE IT FOR 30 MINUTES, IF I REMEMBER.
YOU GET ACCESS TO CHAIRS.
OKAY, IF IT RAINS OR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN A COVERED SPOT.
DO SOMETHING TAMPA.
THEN IT WAS RENTING THE CHAIRS, THIS AND THAT TO HAVE THE
CEREMONY.
WE ENDED UP GOING OUT HERE IN THE COURTYARD.

WE COULDN'T RENT IT.
COULDN'T HAVE CHAIRS.
COULDN'T HAVE MUSIC BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC SPACE.
WE WENT IN AND WE HAD SOMEONE OFFICIATE, TOOK PICTURES,
ANYBODY CAN DO THAT.
ANYBODY CAN GO DOWN THERE RIGHT NOW AND GET MARRIED, NO
PERMISSION, NO INSURANCE SIGN-OFF.
BUT IN RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION IS IT OPEN TO THE COMMUNITY?
YES, WE WERE THERE FOR CEREMONIAL PURPOSES, GETTING MARRIED.
BUT IT'S EXPENSIVE TO GET INTO THAT BUILDING.
IF YOU HAVE A SPONSORSHIP AND WHATNOT, BUT COMMUNITY GROUPS
AND KIDS THAT GO TO BLAKE HIGH SCHOOL AND WANT TO WALK DOWN
THE STREET TO GET THERE, THAT IS THE THING.
IT'S AN EXPENSIVE PLACE.
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
4:27:34PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU SAID YOU HAD SOMEBODY OFFICIATE YOUR
WEDDING.
YOU HAD A VIP WHICH IS WHY YOU HAVE ACCESS.
4:27:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THIS IS HOW MUCH I LOVE CITY HALL.
GOT MARRIED OUTSIDE OF CITY HALL AND GOT A FORMER MAYOR TO
OFFICIATE, WHICH IS DICK GRECO.
I THINK I MENTIONED IT TO YOU.
YEAH, I GOT MARRIED HERE.
DO THIS HERE.
NOW YOU KNOW.

4:27:55PM >>BILL CARLSON:
TWO QUICK QUESTIONS WHILE YOU'RE HERE.
NUMBER ONE WHEN THIS FACILITY FIRST OPENED, AS MY COLLEAGUE
SAID, COST A LOT OF MONEY, PART OF IT MAY HAVE BEEN BP,
STILL A LOT OF MONEY COULD HAVE BEEN SPENT ON SOMETHING
ELSE.
WHEN IT FIRST OPENED, ONE OF THE CONCERNS IN THE COMMUNITY
THAT WASN'T WELL PUBLICIZED, FOR PROFITS AND NONPROFITS WERE
WORRIED ABOUT THIS BUILDING COMPETING WITH THEM.
I THINK WHAT MY COLLEAGUE TALKED ABOUT IS IMPORTANT, TOO.
BUT THE FLIPSIDE IS THAT THE OTHERS SAID, WELL, WE DON'T
WANT YOU TO COME IN WITH A NEW BUILDING AND UNDERCUT US IN
PRICE.
ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS IS, WELL, THIS BUILDING IS FULL ALL THE
TIME AND HAS EVENTS ALL THE TIME.
I WONDER WHAT KIND OF IMPACT IT HAD ON OTHER FACILITIES
BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT COMPETING WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
CAN YOU REAL FAST TELL US WHAT THE PRICING STRATEGY ON IT?
DO YOU COMPARE TO OTHER COMPETITORS?
4:28:48PM >>TONY MULKEY:
WE DID DO A BENCH MARK SURVEY OF DIFFERENT
PRIVACY VENUES AS WELL AS OTHER PUBLIC VENUES AS WELL.
THE STRATEGY GOING IN WE DIDN'T WANT TO BE THE LOWEST AND
DIDN'T WANT TO BE THE HIGHEST.
THERE WAS KIND OF THAT MIDDLE GROUND FOR DISCOUNTS FOR
NONPROFITS, 25% DISCOUNT.
RATES FLUCTUATE DEPENDING IF IT IS A WEEKEND VERSUS A

WEEKDAY, DEPENDING IF YOU ARE USING THE BIG HALL VERSUS
SMALL MEETING ROOM.
4:29:17PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD STAY ON TOP OF IT.
BECAUSE AS PRICES CHANGE, YOU MIGHT WANT TO GET A GROUP OF
SOME OF THE VENUES -- YOU DON'T WANT TO BREAK ANY LAWS.
TALK TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
GATHER THE INFORMATION AND MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT SUBSIDIZING
SOME BIG CORPORATIONS GOING IN HAVING EVENTS WHEN THEY COULD
GO TO SOME OTHER PLACE.
THE OTHER THING IS, PART OF THE JUSTIFICATION OF THE COST
WAS THAT IT'S A BOATHOUSE ON THE BOTTOM.
BUT I NEVER SEE ANYBODY THERE.
DOES ANYBODY USE THAT?
4:29:45PM >>TONY MULKEY:
YES, OUR PROGRAMMING THERE IS FULL.
WE ARE COMPLETELY SUBSCRIBED FOR OUR OFFERINGS.
OUR TEAM TAMPA TEAMS ACTUALLY PRODUCED THREE COLLEGIATE
SCHOLARSHIP PARTICIPANTS THIS YEAR.
4:30:04PM >>BILL CARLSON:
USED TO BE THAT CREW TEAMS FROM OTHER STATES
AND UNIVERSITIES WOULD COME DOWN, DO THEY STILL USE THE
FACILITY?
4:30:10PM >>TONY MULKEY:
SINCE WE OPENED, PRETTY LONG-TERM
RELATIONSHIP WITH PRINCETON WHO COMES DOWN DURING THE
SEASON.
AT THE END OF THE YEAR THEY DONATED SOME OF THEIR BOATS TO
THE COMMUNITY PROGRAM.

THERE ARE A LOT OF DETAILS I CAN PROVIDE ON THE BOATHOUSE AS
WELL WHEN I COME IN.
4:30:24PM >>BILL CARLSON:
GREAT.
THANK YOU.
4:30:25PM >>TONY MULKEY:
YOU'RE WELCOME.
4:30:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY ELSE?
WE WILL RESERVE THE REST OF DISCUSSION FOR THE WORKSHOP
BECAUSE THAT WILL BE COMING UP.
IN REGARDS TO THE ROWING FOLKS, I SEE IT ALWAYS FULL.
I USED TO ROW IN HIGH SCHOOL AND AT TAMPA CATHOLIC THEY HAVE
A BOATHOUSE THERE.
WHEN YOU GO TO UT THAT WAS THE CLOSEST.
I'VE SEEN IT USED A LOT BY COLLEGE KIDS AND HIGH SCHOOL
KIDS.
WE'LL SEE YOU AT THE WORKSHOP THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT UP WE HAVE A MEMO FROM ABBYE WHO IS HERE REGARDING THE
COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT FOR ROME YARD AND THE YELLOW
JACKETS PROPERTY.
4:31:03PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
ABBYE FEELEY, INTERIM ADMINISTRATOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND
ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
THIS MOTION WAS A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, AND
I JUST WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND IN PERSON IN RELATION TO ROME
YARD, THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT AND THE QUESTIONS SHE
HAD RAISED IN CONCERN ABOUT OPENING UP THAT AGREEMENT.

LOOKING AT OTHER MODIFICATIONS TO THE YELLOW JACKETS.
I HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH DIRECTOR MULKEY ON THIS AS
WELL, AND I KNOW HE'S STILL IN THE CHAMBERS WITH US THIS
AFTERNOON.
JUST TO ADD SOME PERSPECTIVE, THE YELLOW JACKETS WERE
RELOCATED FROM THEIR FIELD IN WEST TAMPA PRIOR TO THE RFP
BEING DEVELOPED FOR ROME YARD.
SO THAT -- THE PROPERTY WAS IDENTIFIED FOR ROME YARD.
THAT RELOCATION HAD ALREADY TAKEN PLACE.
THE RFP WENT OUT FOR ROME YARD.
ROME YARD WAS THEN AWARDED.
YOU MAY RECALL THE FIRST RFP HAD PROTEST, AND IT WAS
REPUBLISHED AND THEN REAWARDED.
AND THEN THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS MEETINGS THAT WERE
ASSOCIATED WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT WERE CONDUCTED.
DURING THOSE MEETINGS, I DID GO BACK.
I WAS NOT PARTY TO THAT.
I WAS NOT PARTY TO THE RELOCATE THAT HAPPENED.
KIND OF BY OTHER INDIVIDUALS WITHIN THE CITY.
THOSE MEETINGS I DID IN PREPARATION FOR REPORTING TODAY,
TOUCHED BACK WITH REPRESENTATIVES WHO WERE THERE AT THOSE
COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT DEVELOPMENT MEETINGS.
NOTHING DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE YELLOW JACKETS OR ANY OTHER
IMPROVEMENTS WERE COMBINED WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY BENEFITS
AGREEMENT.

AT THIS TIME, THE YELLOW JACKETS ARE PLAYING IN THE TAMPA
HEIGHTS AREA.
I KNOW YOU'RE AWARE OF WHERE THAT IS.
IT WOULD NOT BE KIND OF IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO REOPEN
THAT AGREEMENT OR LOOK AT GOING BACK IN THAT PROCESS AS THAT
IS KIND OF STAND-ALONE FROM THAT RELOCATION AND WHAT
HAPPENED PRIOR TO THE LAND ASSEMBLAGE FOR PUBLICATION UNDER
THE RFP.
SO I THINK WE HAD A DISCUSSION ON THAT, AND I'M HERE JUST TO
STATE THE FACTS OF THE MATTER IN RELATION TO WHAT TOOK PLACE
AT THAT TIME.
4:33:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, THIS IS YOUR
MOTION.
4:33:48PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU, MS. FEELEY.
WE LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT WE MEET IN ADVANCE OF COUNCIL
MEETINGS JUST TO GET SOME UNDERSTANDING.
WHEN I MADE THIS MOTION, I REALLY WAS, OF COURSE, OBVIOUSLY
WISHFUL THINKING THAT A DEVELOPER WOULD SAY, OH, YEAH, WE'LL
MAKE THE YELLOW JACKETS WHOLE.
THAT WOULD BE REALLY NICE OF US.
WE HAVE THEIR LAND AND THEY CAN'T GET IT BACK.
BUT THAT IS WISHFUL THINKING.
THEY ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE AND I ACTUALLY DO UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND THIS IS KIND OF LIKE ONE OF THE THINGS I SAID EARLIER,
AS A COUNCIL, HOW WE MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT SPACES THAT WE OWN

AND REALLY THINKING HOLISTICALLY ABOUT THE BENEFIT -- THE
LONG-TERM BENEFIT AND WHAT WE'RE TAKING AWAY FROM SOMEONE AS
WELL.
YOU HAVE TO ALWAYS CONSIDER THAT.
AND IT SEEMS VERY CLEAR -- THEY ARE GOING TO BE VERY HAPPY
I'M SAYING SOMETHING LIKE THIS BECAUSE I NEVER USE THE WORD
RESOLUTION 568, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'VE READ IT A COUPLE OF
TIMES.
IT'S CLEAR OUR CITY HAS MADE SOME HORRIBLE DECISIONS
REGARDING SPACES WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE CITY OF TAMPA,
AND THERE ARE JUST NO SPACES.
THESE SPACES THAT USED TO BE PREDOMINANTLY BLACK ARE NO
LONGER THAT WAY.
OUR BLACK COMMUNITIES, BLACK SPACES.
AND THE YELLOW JACKETS IS ONE OF THEM.
IT CAME OUT OF A HORRIBLE TIME IN 1967 WHEN A YOUNG MAN WAS
KILLED ON CENTRAL AVENUE BY THE POLICE.
JUST WHEN IT WAS PRESENTED TO THIS BODY, 120 ACRES AND YOU
NEED THE BALLPARK TOO?
JUST RIDICULOUS.
A BALLPARK, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ACRES, COUPLE OF ACRES,
PROBABLY FIVE MAYBE.
I DON'T KNOW.
BUT FOR A DEVELOPMENT TO HAVE RFP OF 120 ACRES AND NOT
CONSIDER THE HISTORICAL NATURE OF THIS ONE GROUND IS

UNFORTUNATE.
BUT THE COMMUNITY HAS TO HEAR THESE -- HEAR THESE HARD
THINGS JUST LIKE I DO, THAT THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT
IT.
AND SOMETIMES IT'S OUR JOB.
YOU, MS. FEELEY, AS WELL AS ME, IS TO SAY THAT TO THE
PUBLIC.
IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
OF COURSE, MR. WRIGHT WAS BEFORE US THIS MORNING.
YOU CAN SEE THAT HE IS OF AGE, ONE OF OUR DEAR SENIOR
CITIZENS IN THE COMMUNITY, AND THIS HAS BEEN A PART OF HIS
LIFE FOR A VERY LONG TIME, SO HE'S STILL FIGHTING THIS
BATTLE.
I DRIVE BY THE NEW SPACE, AND IT JUST -- YOU KNOW, THERE ARE
OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO IMPROVE IT, BUT, OF COURSE, WE NEED
TO TAKE CARE OF -- WE HAVE SO MANY ISSUES TO ADDRESS WITH
OUR LARGE BUDGET.
IT IS CONSTRICTED IN THAT WAY.
I DO APPRECIATE THE REPORT.
MAYBE THIS COULD BE AN APPEAL TO EVEN OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY
PARTNERS WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
IF YOU LISTEN TO THINGS LIKE THIS, MAYBE WE COULD -- THERE
COULD BE PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS THAT WE COULD PURSUE TO
MAKE THE YELLOW JACKETS WHOLE.
THE LAST THING I'M GOING TO SAY IS THIS: THE YELLOW JACKETS

JUST LIKE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS, WHERE YOU LIVE
IS WHERE YOU PLAY BALL.
SO NOW, WHERE THE YELLOW JACKETS IS LOCATED IN TAMPA
HEIGHTS, THERE'S GENTRIFICATION CLEARLY THAT HAS TAKEN
PLACE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE MOVED INTO THE COMMUNITY.
I SAID THIS TO MS. FEELEY, THE PROBLEM IS, YES, THESE
FAMILIES HAVE MOVED INTO THESE SPACES WITHIN THE CITY, BUT
THEY DON'T WANT THEIR KIDS TO PLAY FOR THE YELLOW JACKETS.
THAT'S HOW THIS DECISION THAT WAS MADE UP HERE EVEN IMPACTS,
CONTINUES TO IMPACT A PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY ARE BEGGING TO GO
PLAY IN NORTH TAMPA AND SOUTH TAMPA AND AT OTHER BALLPARKS
THAT ARE MORE APPEALING FOR THEIR CHILDREN.
SO WE CAN'T EVEN DEVELOP AND GROW THE YELLOW JACKETS FAIRLY
BECAUSE THOSE FOLKS DON'T WANT THEIR KIDS PLAYING ACROSS THE
STREET FROM A GRAVEYARD.
SO THAT'S HOW MUCH THIS DECISION HAS IMPACTED US.
IN THE FUTURE, EVEN WITH OUR RACIAL RECONCILIATION
COMMITTEE, ANYTIME THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY -- ANYTIME THAT
THERE'S SPACE THAT BECOMES AVAILABLE IN THIS CITY, I'M GOING
TO TAKE EVERYTHING INTO CONSIDERATION THAT WAS WRITTEN IN
RESOLUTION 568.
I WOULD HOPE THAT THERE ARE OTHER MEMBERS OF COUNCIL THAT
TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL.
THANK YOU.

4:38:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IN A BROADER CONVERSATION, AND I'VE
MENTIONED THIS BEFORE.
YOU HAVE WEST TAMPA.
COLUMBUS DRIVE.
KNOWN AS BELEECHA BOULEVARD.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEAK ENGLISH BECAUSE SO MANY SPANISH
OWNED BUSINESSES.
YBOR CITY, THE BEDROCK AND FOUNDATION IS THE JEWISH
COMMUNITY HISTORICALLY.
THE ITALIAN COMMUNITY.
THE SICILIANS, SPANIARDS, CUBANS.
CENTRAL AVENUE AND PERRY HARVEY PARK AND SOME BUILDINGS
ALONG SHOREMAN'S BUILDING.
THE JACKSON HOUSE THAT'S BARELY STANDING BUT THE REST OF IT
WAS DEMOLISHED.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE PRESERVED -- HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS
SOMETHING SO IMPORTANT TO ME.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT INSPIRED ME TO RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL
WAS LOOKING AT TAMPA'S PAST SO WE CAN BUILD FOR THE FUTURE.
HAVING SAID THAT, SO MUCH WAS LOST.
I'VE TALKED TO LEADERS FROM THE PAST, SPECIFICALLY ABOUT
CENTRAL AVENUE.
IMAGINE A BLACK YBOR CITY, BUSINESS OWNERS, RESIDENTS, THAT
WAS ALL WIPED OUT.
YES, WE HAVE PERRY HARVEY PARK, BUT THAT WAS A COMMUNITY.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTOS, I WISH WE COULD DO A 3D VIRTUAL
WALK-THROUGH JUST TO EXPERIENCE WHAT IT IS LIKE.
THERE IS A MOVIE BLACK LIKE ME BASED ON A BOOK.
IF YOU WATCH THE MOVIE AND I CAN PULL IT UP ON YouTube,
THERE IS A SCENE WHERE A MAN IS GETTING OFF A BUS ON CENTRAL
AVENUE AND THE ONLY FILM FOOTAGE I'VE SEEN OF CENTRAL AVENUE
AND A HANDFUL OF PHOTOS.
WHEN COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON SAYS WHENEVER THERE IS THE
OPPORTUNITY, SO MUCH HAS BEEN ERASED.
I CAN TAKE TO YBOR CITY, I CAN TAKE YOU DOWN COLUMBUS DRIVE,
MY CHILDHOOD HOME AND THE OTHER HOUSE LIVED IN AND SHOW YOU
WHERE I WAS BORN, BUT CERTAIN COMMUNITIES DON'T HAVE THAT.
THEY HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS AND HISTORICAL MARKERS.
I GUESS THE GUILT OF WHAT WAS DEMOLISHED IN THE PAST AND
WHAT WAS LOST.
THE YELLOW JACKETS FITS RIGHT INTO THIS BECAUSE IT IS SO
HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT.
I'VE HAD PEOPLE OVER THE YEARS ASK ME ABOUT THIS.
GOING BACK TO THE 1960s, 1967 YOU MENTIONED MARTIN
CHAMBERS WHO WAS SHOT AND KILLED AND THAT TRIGGERED RIOTS
AND MAYBE THE BEGINNING OF THE DOWNFALL OF CENTRAL AVENUE.
I DON'T KNOW.
BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE A BETTER EFFORT AT PRESERVING OUR
HISTORY AND RESTORING WHAT WAS LOST.
THERE ARE SO MANY EXAMPLES.

AGAIN, CERTAIN COMMUNITIES ARE PRESERVED.
THE CHINA TOWNS AND LITTLE ITALYS.
BLACK COMMUNITIES, MAYBE HARLEM IN NEW YORK AND WHATNOT,
HERE IN TAMPA, THAT HARLEM OF THE SOUTH, IT WAS COMPLETELY
WIPED OUT.
I'VE TALKED TO LEADERSHIP FROM THE PAST.
I EITHER HEAR THEY WANTED TO TEAR IT DOWN OR THE INTERSTATE
WAS COMING THROUGH.
IT'S ALWAYS AN EXCUSE BUT ALWAYS AFFECTING THE SAME
COMMUNITIES, IF IT'S HERE IN TAMPA OR THE REST OF THE UNITED
STATES.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT IN THE FUTURE, YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT.
4:41:17PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THERE IS A BOOK BY SARAH McNAMARA, A
PROFESSOR AT TEXAS A & M UNIVERSITY.
SHE WAS HERE FOR A BOOK-SIGNING EVENT.
IN HER BOOK -- I DON'T WANT TO START CRYING UP HERE -- BUT
LITERALLY, THE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE COMMUNITY DESTROYING
THE BLACK COMMUNITY.
THEY CAME TO CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE THAT IT HAPPENED.
DON'T LET THEM COME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WORD FOR WORD, EVERY COMMENT THAT THE CITY COUNCIL
SUPPORTED.
SO THAT'S WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM.
THE HISTORICAL REFERENCES ARE STILL THERE PROVING THAT IT
WAS DONE.

GET THE CAMERA OFF OF ME.
4:42:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
ANYBODY ELSE?
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
4:42:05PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE REALLY APPRECIATE -- WEARING THEIR HEART ON
THEIR SLEEVE.
IT TAKES A LOT OF GUTS AND A LOT OF HEART TO BARE YOUR SOUL
ON SOMETHING SO PERSONAL.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
THAT'S ALL.
THANK YOU.
4:42:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, SIR.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
4:42:26PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I ECHO THE SAME THING.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
FOR REPRESENTING THE COMMUNITY.
WE ARE ALL OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY ALL THE TIME.
WHAT SHE'S REPRESENTING, THE EMOTION AND THE FEELINGS IS
WHAT WE HEAR NOT JUST IN THE CHAMBER BUT EVERY DAY OUT IN
THE COMMUNITY.
I HOPE THAT WE CAN LIVE UP TO THE STANDARD OF REPRESENTING
THE COMMUNITY BROADLY AND CORRECTING SOME OF THE WRONGS OF
THE PAST.
THANK YOU.

4:42:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
ITEM NUMBER 76, MS. ABBYE FEELEY HAS A VERBAL UPDATE.
4:43:01PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
JUST A VERY QUICK UPDATE.
ABBYE FEELEY.
GOOD AFTERNOON.
ON THE CODE UPDATE.
PUBLIC KICKOFF MEETING IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER, MONDAY,
SEPTEMBER 16 AT THE HANNA CENTER.
JUST WANT TO PUT THE FLYER UP FOR A MINUTE.
THOSE OF YOU TAMPA FORWARD, BUILDING TOMORROW TOGETHER.
YOU WILL SEE THIS NOW.
WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET SOME OF THE SPACE ON THE KIOSKS IN
DOWNTOWN, SO THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO START.
IT WILL START NEXT MONDAY THROUGH THE MONDAY OF THE MEETING.
JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE IDEA, WE HAVE FINISHED CREATING AN
ADVISORY TEAM FOR THE CODE UPDATE.
THAT IS A 12-MEMBER TEAM THAT IS A DIVERSIFIED GROUP FROM
MANY OF THE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT ENGAGE WITH THE LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE.
ENGINEERING, ARCHITECTURE, TREE AND LANDSCAPE, YIMBY, THAN.
WE HAVE A GOOD GROUP THAT ARE GOING TO SERVE ALSO AS KIND OF
AN INTERMEDIARY THERE FOR THE PUBLIC.
WE'VE HAD A PUBLIC SURVEY UP.
CLOSE TO 450 RESPONSES TO THAT.
OUR SOFTWARE IS AMAZING.

WE CAN SEE IF THERE ARE DUPLICATES COMING FROM HOUSEHOLDS
AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
RIGHT NOW 443 THAT HAVE COME IN.
WE HAVE 60 PARTICIPANTS CURRENTLY SIGNED UP TO PARTICIPATE
AT THE MONDAY NIGHT.
AND I WOULD, OF COURSE, LIKE TO INVITE COUNCIL TO BE PRESENT
THAT NIGHT IF THAT IS YOUR DESIRE.
IT IS NOT A PUBLICLY NOTICED COUNCIL MEETING, SO IT WOULD BE
MORE LISTENING FOR COUNCIL, AND I DON'T KNOW IF MR. SHELBY
WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
BUT I HAVE CONTINUED TO TELL YOU I WILL BE HERE TO LET YOU
KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS, HOW'S IT
GOING AND I WANTED TO GIVE YOU THAT BRIEF UPDATE TODAY.
IT'S AT HANNA AVENUE.
DOORS OPEN AT 6:30.
DOORS OPEN AT 6:30.
THE PROGRAM WILL BE AT 7.
THE CONSULTANTS WILL BE IN.
THEY WILL BE THERE TO PARTICIPATE.
CLEARLY, AND ENGAGE WITH THE PUBLIC SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE
TO FORGE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN UPDATING
OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TOGETHER.
4:45:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL ALWAYS BE HERE TO UPDATE
US.

LET ME SAY FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD, YOU ARE ALWAYS ACCESSIBLE.
YOU ALWAYS ANSWER MY QUESTIONS.
YOU ALWAYS TAKE MY CALLS.
YOU ALWAYS DO A WONDERFUL JOB.
I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE PUBLICLY ACKNOWLEDGED.
4:45:37PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THANK YOU.
4:45:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU ARE A VERY BUSY PERSON AND THERE IS
A LOT GOING ON.
4:45:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU HAVE HOW MANY JOBS NOW?
4:45:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YEAH, YOU DO A LOT.
ITEM NUMBER 77, WE HAD MR. BHIDE HERE EARLIER REGARDING THE
FLOODING.
I KNOW THIS IS ABOUT PIPES AND THERE IS A PowerPoint
PRESENTATION.
MR. BAIRD, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE IT FROM THERE.
4:45:56PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
I WILL.
GOOD AFTERNOON.
BRAD BAIRD, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
TODAY IS THE FIVE-YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THE PIPES APPROVAL.
ON SEPTEMBER 5th, 2019, FOUR PEOPLE ON THIS CITY COUNCIL
WERE A PART OF THAT HISTORIC VOTE FOR $2.88 BILLION PROGRAM
TO REHABILITATE AND REPLACE WATER AND WASTEWATER
INFRASTRUCTURE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AGAIN FOR YOUR SUPPORT BACK THEN.
WITH THAT INTRODUCTION, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ERIC AND RORY

TO GO THROUGH MORE DETAILS.
4:46:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S ALREADY BEEN FIVE
YEARS.
4:46:40PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
AND BRING UP THE PRESENTATION, PLEASE.
4:46:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
TIME FLIES.
4:46:45PM >>ERIC WEISS:
ERIC WEISS, WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR.
I'LL JUMP RIGHT INTO IT.
THE BACKBONE OF OUR PIPES PROGRAM IN THE WASTEWATER
DEPARTMENT IS OUR MASTER PLAN.
THAT'S WHAT WE FIRST DID.
WE DID A MASTER PLAN FOR OUR ONE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT,
HOWARD F. CURREN ADVANCED WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AT PORT
TAMPA BAY.
WE HAVE 229 WASTEWATER PUMPING STATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
DID ANOTHER ONE FOR THAT.
A MASTER PLAN FOR THAT.
FINALLY, WE DID ONE FOR THE ACTUAL PIPES IN THE GROUND
THROUGHOUT THE CITY, ABOUT 15 HUNDRED MILES OF PIPE.
ADDING THAT ALL TOGETHER, $1.37 BILLION.
WHERE ARE WE AT?
THIS IS AN UPDATED SLIDE.
SO FIVE YEARS TO THE DAY, WE AWARDED 99 PROJECTS FOR $480
MILLION.
SINCE OUR LAST UPDATE SIX MONTHS AGO ON THERE ARE FOUR
ADDITIONAL PROJECTS FOR AN ADDITIONAL TOTAL OF 20 MILLION.

THAT WAS REALLY MOSTLY ONE PROJECT.
YOU MAY REMEMBER I CAME AND DID A BAYSHORE WASTEWATER
PUMPING STATION IN THE MEDIAN OF BAYSHORE AT STOVALL AND
MASON STREET.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE.
AS WE REMEMBER, TOO, SIX MONTHS AGO WE TALKED ABOUT, HEY,
THESE MASTER PLANS WERE DONE BEFORE COVID, BEFORE THE
INFLATION, SO OUR CALCULATION SIX MONTHS AGO IS ABOUT $181
MILLION OF ADDITIONAL COSTS IF WE DID THE SAME EXACT MASTER
PLANS.
I THINK WE'RE STILL OKAY.
WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE HAD REALLY SOUND MASTER PLANS AT THE
PLANT FOR NEW PROCESSES, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD FIX THE STUFF
THAT'S BROKEN, AS I ALWAYS SAY, FIRST.
THESE ARE ALL ADDITIONAL THINGS.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE DONE 12 TO 20 YEARS IN THIS MASTER
PLAN, SO WE HAVE TIME TO COME BACK AND MAYBE DO GRANTS OR
SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
I WANT TO QUICKLY HIGHLIGHT JUST TWO PROJECTS THAT'S GOING
TO BE COMING IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.
BIG ONE, BIOGAS USE AND DIGESTIVE SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS.
WHAT IS THAT?
EITHER WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, RAW SLUDGE IS COLLECTED
THROUGHOUT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PROCESS.
IN TAMPA, WE TREAT THAT SLUDGE TO A DEGREE THAT LETS IT GO

TO LAND APPLICATION AND ENVIRONMENTALLY IMPROVE RANCHES
THROUGHOUT THE STATE.
WELL, WE TREAT THAT SLUDGE IN THE BIG TANKS YOU SEE HERE,
HELD ANAEROBIC DIGESTERS.
PUT IN RAW SLUDGE, HEAT IT UP FOR 15 DAYS AND BREAKS DOWN
ALL THE PROTOZOANS, ORGANIC BACTERIA AND BAD STUFF, I'LL
CALL IT, WHICH ALLOWS IT TO BE USED FOR LAND APPLICATION.
MOST OF THE TANKS WERE BUILT IN THE 1950s WITH THE
ORIGINAL WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
THEY ARE PAST THEIR USEFUL LIFE.
IN ADDITION, ANOTHER THEME YOU MAY REMEMBER ME SAY, A LOT OF
THE CONTROL EQUIPMENT FOR THIS STUFF, PANELS, HEAT EXCHANGES
AND THINGS ARE IN BASEMENTS BELOW GRADE.
SO IN THE LENS OF SUSTAINABILITY AND CLIMATE CHANGE, WE'RE
GOING TO REBUILD THOSE ABOVE GRADE.
SO THIS IS NOW ABOUT $112 MILLION PROJECT.
WE ARE READY TO GO.
IT'S PLANNED TO COME TO COUNCIL HOPEFULLY NEXT MONTH FOR
YOUR APPROVAL.
ONE MORE SIMILAR PROJECT TO THIS, THOSE ANAEROBIC DIGESTERS
I TALKED ABOUT, IN THAT PROCESS WE MAKE METHANE, ABOUT 1.4
-- EQUIVALENT TO ABOUT 1.4 MILLION GALLONS OF DIESEL FUEL.
AND WHAT WE'VE DONE SINCE THE 1970s WITH THAT METHANE, WE
PUT IT IN GENERATORS AND MADE ELECTRICITY TO OFFSET ABOUT
20% OF THE ELECTRICAL BILL AT THE PLANT.

WELL, ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO, THOSE FINALLY WERE BROKEN,
IRREPARABLE.
AT THAT TIME, WE DID THE MASTER PLAN, WE DID A BUNCH OF
ANALYSIS, WHAT ARE THE ALTERNATIVES OUT THERE AND WE PICKED,
LET'S DO NEW COGENERATORS.
WELL, AS INFLATION HIT, THOSE COGENERATORS GOT TWO OR THREE
TIMES THE AMOUNT THAT WAS IN THE MASTER PLAN.
SO WE TOLD OUR CONSULTANT, GO BACK, LOOK AT THE BUSINESS
CASES FOR THESE THINGS.
WELL, IT CHANGED EVERYTHING.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE MIDDLE SLIDE, THAT'S CALLED A FLAIR.
FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING WITH
OUR EXTRA METHANE, BURNING IT OFF INTO THE ATMOSPHERE.
WHAT WE CAN DO IN THE SELECTIVE ALTERNATIVE, TAKE THAT
METHANE, CLEAN IT UP.
YOU CAN SEE THE TOP PICTURE, THE MEMBRANES AND YOU COULD
ACTUALLY PUT IT OUT INTO THE NATURAL GAS PIPELINE.
THERE IS A BIG MARKET NOW.
IF YOU USE IT FOR TRANSPORTATION, AS YOU PUT IT OUT THERE,
YOU CAN SEE THAT LAST PICTURE AS AN EXAMPLE.
IF YOU CAN GET WHAT IS CALLED A RIN CREDIT.
ANY EQUIVALENT GALLON YOU PRODUCE OF DIESEL, YOU GET THIS
RIN CREDIT AND YOU CAN SELL THAT ON THE OPEN MARKET.
THE GOOD THING IS, GOOGLE OR OTHER ENTITIES WANT TO BE
CARBON NEUTRAL, THEY BUY THOSE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE

CARBON NEUTRAL.
SO THERE IS A BIG MARKET FOR IT NOW.
HERE IS WHERE WE ARE AT.
THERE IS ONE MORE PROGRAM OUT THERE TO DO THE RENEWABLE
NATURAL GAS PRODUCTS.
AND IT IS THE IRS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
THEY WANT TO GIVE YOU TAX CREDIT TOWARD YOUR CONSTRUCTION
COST OF THESE DIGESTERS.
FOR US, IT COULD BE $20 MILLION.
IT'S LOOKING PROMISING.
THERE ARE NEW REGULATIONS THAT COME OUT.
THE WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT, WE'RE USED TO EPA GRANTS OR FEMA
GRANTS, NOT USED TO IRS GRANTS.
SO IT LOOKS PROMISING AND THE RULES ARE CURRENTLY BEING
DEVELOPED SO WE'VE HIRED A TAX CONSULTANT TO HELP US OUT FOR
THIS NEW PROGRAM.
HOPEFULLY THAT WILL WORK OUT.
IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, WE CAN COME TO YOU GUYS TO MAKE RNG,
RENEWABLE NATURAL GAS.
NO QUESTIONS, I CAN TURN IT OVER TO RORY.
4:52:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL THE PRESENTATION
FINISHED.
HOW MANY PARTS ARE IN THIS WHOLE PRESENTATION?
4:53:00PM >> JUST A COUPLE OF SLIDES.
4:53:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DO YOU MIND IF WE HOLD QUESTIONS?

IF IT'S JUST A COUPLE OF SLIDES.
4:53:05PM >> RORY JONES, WATER DEPARTMENT.
SIMILAR TO THE WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT, OUR PIPES PROGRAM WAS
BUILT OFF OF TWO MASTER PLAN EFFORTS AS WELL.
DAVID L. TIPPIN WATER TREATMENT FACILITY MASTER PLAN AND
DISTRIBUTION MASTER PLAN.
I DON'T HAVE ANY EXCITING NUMBERS FROM LAST SIX MONTHS.
WE EXPECT THAT TO CHANGE IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.
YOU DID RECENTLY APPROVE A CHANGE ORDER ASSOCIATED WITH THE
HIGH WATER PUMP STATION, WHICH THE REQUISITION HASN'T HIT
YET.
HASN'T SHOWN UP.
BUT WE ARE BRINGING SOME ADDITIONAL WORK TO YOU.
GMPs IN RAW WATER PUMP STATION, OZONE IMPROVEMENTS AND
OTHER LARGE PIPELINE PROJECTS.
ORIGINALLY 1.5 BILLION.
WE HAVE EXPENDED ROUGHLY $466 MILLION OF THAT.
THAT WAS SPREAD ACROSS FOUR DIFFERENT PROGRAMS.
AND REALLY, WHAT'S TAKING THE HIT AT THIS MOMENT, NOW, WE
HAVE KNOCKED OUT FROM OUR DISTRIBUTION MASTER PLAN, WE
PRIORITIZE THE REPLACEMENTS BASED ON A TON OF DIFFERENT
VARIABLES.
PRESSURE, ACTUAL MAIN BREAK DATA, FLOW, THE LOCATION OF IT,
EVEN WHERE THE GROUNDWATER TABLE IS.
AGE, MATERIAL TYPE, A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO PRIORITIZE.

WE'VE KNOCKED OFF THE TOP AND HIGHEST PRIORITIES OF ALL THE
PIPELINE, NOT TO SAY WE AREN'T GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE
BREAKS, BUT WE'VE GOTTEN THE WORST ONES WITH THE HIGHEST
CONSEQUENCES OF FAILURE OUT OF THE WAY.
AND WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED THE REMAINING BUDGET IS REALLY
WHERE THE CONSEQUENCES OF FAILURE AND THE BIGGEST BANG FOR
THE BUCK GO.
AND THAT IS REALLY OUR TREATMENT PLANT WORK.
THE WORK WE ARE DEFERRING IS REALLY OUR PIPELINE STUFF.
WE ARE EXPLORING DIFFERENT WAYS TO MAKE OUR DOLLARS GO
FURTHER.
THAT'S WITH OUR CONSTRUCTION CREW.
WE ARE EXPLORING PIPE BURSTING AND OTHER WAYS TO KEEP COSTS
LOWER.
BUT THAT'S REALLY WHERE OUR COSTS ARE -- WHERE WE'RE
DEFERRING PROJECTS.
AT THE CURRENT MOMENT, WE ARE ROUGHLY SEVEN YEARS BEHIND IN
THE OVERALL PROGRAM ON THE PIPELINE SIDE.
BUT WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT -- YOU KNOW, THESE RATES WILL STILL
COME INTO PLAY AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO GET MORE AND MORE
COMPETITIVE AND HOPE TO SEE THAT SWING BACK THE OTHER
DIRECTION HERE IN A LITTLE BIT.
WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF PROJECTS FOR YOU.
OUR HIGH SERVICE PUMP STATION.
THIS IS A CUTAWAY THAT SHOWS CLEAR WELLS, UNDERGROUND

STORAGE TANKS THAT ACTUALLY HAVE GRASS OVER, IF YOU GO OUT
TO THE SITE, BUT THIS IS A NEW MODERN FACILITY THAT WE ARE
RELOCATING 8 DIFFERENT PUMPS THAT DATE BACK TO THE 1920s
INTO THIS MODERN-DAY FACILITY THAT GIVES US A BUNCH OF
REDUNDANCY AND RESILIENCY BUILT INTO IT.
WE HAVE COMPLETED THE BUILDING.
WE'RE WRAPPING UP VARIOUS PUNCH-LIST ITEMS OF THE BUILDING
ITSELF, INCLUDING THE PLAQUE, WHICH ACKNOWLEDGES YOUR
SUPPORT.
AND WHEN WE OFFICIALLY PUSH THAT BUTTON OF CUTTING THE
RIBBON ON THIS, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU GUYS OUT THERE.
TO WRAP THIS PROJECT UP, WE ARE DOING SOME ADDITIONAL REHAB
OF UNDERGROUND TANKS.
4:56:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU WEREN'T ELECTED YET.
4:56:51PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SAID ORLANDO GUDES.
4:56:54PM >> -- TECHNICALLY APPROVED AND YOU WILL BE ON THE NEXT ONES.
I HEAR YOU.
YOUR NAME WILL BE THERE AS WELL.
SO TO WRAP THIS PROJECT -- AROUND REHABS OF THE STORAGE
TANKS THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET IN THE DRY.
THAT'S THE $4.5 MILLION CHANGE ORDER THAT YOU APPROVED.
WE DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHAT SORT OF CONDITIONS THOSE WERE IN.
WHEN WE WALK AWAY FROM THIS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BUTTONED
UP FACILITY THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN PROPERLY IN THE
FUTURE.

THE NEXT PROJECT I'M EXCITED ABOUT.
ONE OF THE BIG MILESTONES THAT WE RECENTLY HIT WAS
DECOMMISSIONING OUR GASEOUS CHLORINE AND COMMISSIONING
ON-SITE -- WELL, WE'RE USING HYPOCHLORITE WHICH IS
ESSENTIALLY BLEACH.
THIS FACILITY YOU SEE HERE IN FRONT OF US IS WHERE OUR
RAILCARS USED TO PULL IN.
WE DID DECOMMISSION THAT.
THIS IS WHERE OUR HYPOCHLORITE GENERATORS WILL GO.
WE WILL GENERATE OUR OWN BLEACH ON-SITE, MAKE US LESS
RELIANT ON MANUFACTURERS.
AND SHIPPING.
THIS HAS MADE OUR COMMUNITY SIGNIFICANTLY SAFER BY
DECOMMISSIONING THOSE GASEOUS CHLORINE RAILCAR SYSTEMS.
HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
MAKING PROGRESS.
RIGHT NOW WORKING ON BULK SYSTEMS AND OVER THE NEXT YEAR, WE
WILL BE IMPLEMENTING THESE ON-SITE HYPOCHLORITE GENERATORS.
WHAT'S COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE WE DO HAVE MASTER PLAN
EFFORTS.
WE WANT TO REVISIT OUR CONTRIBUTION MASTER PLAN.
EVENTUALLY REVISIT THE DLT MASTER PLAN, MAKE SURE THAT WE
HAVE PROPERLY ALLOCATED OUR PIPELINES.
MIDTOWN WASN'T NECESSARILY A THING THEN.
WE NEED TO CONSTANTLY REFRESH AND SEE WHERE OUR MONEY IS

BEST SPENT.
I'M HOPING TO FIND OPPORTUNITIES THAT SHOW THAT PIPELINE.
SOME OF THAT PIPELINE MAY NOT BE NECESSARY.
WE DO HAVE, LIKE I SAID, THE OZONE -- OR IMPROVEMENTS COMING
YOUR WAY.
RAW WATER PUMP STATION IS COMING YOUR WAY.
WE ARE ACTIVELY IN SIX INDEPENDENT REVIEW.
I'M HOPING EARLY -- LATE THIS YEAR, EARLY NEXT YEAR, YOU'LL
SEE THAT AMENDMENT FOR DESIGN SERVICES FOR SIX AND
OFFICIALLY STILL KICK THAT ONE OFF.
WITH THAT, I GUESS I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR QUESTIONS.
4:59:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE HOUSE YOU SHOWED ON LAST SLIDE IS
QUESTIONS, SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
ONE OF A HANDFUL OF THE CRAFTSMAN BUNGALOWS THAT HAVE THE
JAPANESE ARCHITECTURE.
VERY FEW IN TAMPA BUT REALLY COOL FOR THOSE LITTLE DETAILS.
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
4:59:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE BOTH OF YOU.
I DO WANT TO GO BACK A BIT TO THE SLUDGE CONVERSATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE READ, THE NEW YORK TIMES DID A PIECE
MAYBE LAST WEEK ABOUT THE FUTURE OF SLUDGE AND HOW THEY ARE
REALLY LOOKING AT SLUDGE AS IMPACTING THE FIELDS UPON WHERE
IT'S PUT.
SOME OF THOSE PLASTIC PARTICLES OR THINGS WE DON'T TAKE OUT

THAT ARE GOING INTO COWS OR WHATEVER.
I'M JUST CURIOUS THAT AS YOU GO FORWARD, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR
OTHER THINGS TO DO WITH THAT SLUDGE IF THE EPA DECIDES THAT
PUTTING IT ONTO FIELDS OR OTHER AGRICULTURAL USES CAN'T BE
DONE ANYMORE?
5:00:41PM >> GOOD QUESTION.
WHAT WE'VE DONE WON'T GO TO WASTE.
WHAT YOU COULD DO, WE HAVE TO TREAT OUR SLUDGE ANYWAY.
SO INSTEAD OF TAKING IT DIRECTLY AND DISPOSE OF IT IN
RANCHES FOR LAND DISPOSAL, WE CAN MAKE PELLETS OF IT.
BURN THEM.
EVER AT HOME DEPOT AND BAGS OF -- THAT'S FROM ADVANCED
WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS.
WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING NOW.
WE HAVE TO GO ANOTHER STEP TO TREAT IT FURTHER, BUT WE STILL
HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING NOW.
5:01:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T DOUBT THAT AT ALL.
I WAS CURIOUS AFTER HAVING READ THAT, IT WAS IN THE BACK OF
MY MIND OF WHAT COMES NEXT.
AGAIN, APPRECIATE BOTH OF YOU.
REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE THINGS YOU'RE DOING TO MAKE OUR
CITY BETTER AND THANKS TO THE FOUR OF YOU WHO WERE ABLE TO
VOTE FOR THIS PIPES PROGRAM.
5:01:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I TOLD THE MAYOR, FOR THE LEGACY, FOR
THE HISTORIC PROPORTION, THIS IS THE LARGEST INFRASTRUCTURE

INVESTMENT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA HISTORY BY FAR.
IT'S A HUGE DEAL.
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
5:01:44PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE OTHER THING WE DID, WE CARVED TOILET TO
TAP OUT OF IT.
ANOTHER GOOD THING.
IT WAS 3.2 BILLION AND TOOK OUT 300 MILLION WHICH TOOK
TOILET TO TAP OUT.
PROBABLY THE PUBLIC IS WONDERING ABOUT THAT.
THANK YOU BOTH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU FOR WORKING SO CLOSELY WITH US AND CONSTITUENTS.
RORY, YOU SHOWED THE NEW PROCESSORS.
THE TERM WAS HIGH VOLUME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
CAN EACH OF YOU EXPLAIN JUST TWO QUICK QUESTIONS?
WHAT IMPROVEMENTS ARE WE MAKING?
I THINK IN RORY'S PLANT, WATER IS GOING FASTER, HIGHER
VOLUME.
ARE WE BUILDING BIGGER CAPACITIES LIKE IN SLUDGE PONDS, ARE
WE BUILDING, NOT JUST BUILDING THE SAME THING IN PLACE,
BUILDING HIGHER CAPACITY FOR THE FUTURE OR WHAT IS THE
STATUS?
5:02:34PM >> THAT'S EXACTLY IT.
BUILDING MORE CAPACITY.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUMP OUT
MORE.

IT'S BUILDING MORE CAPACITY FOR US TO TREAT MORE.
THE WAY IT'S SITUATED, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE -- WE
HAVE REDUNDANCY BUILT IN.
THE ABILITY TO TAKE PUMPS OUT AND SERVICE PUMPS.
SO WE DO HAVE A HIGHER CAPACITY, BUT THE HIGHER CAPACITY IS
SO WE CAN TAKE PUMPS OUT OF SERVICE AND PROPERLY MAINTAIN
IT.
THERE ARE TIMES OF THE YEAR WHERE WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY
TO TAKE OUT EQUIPMENT OR ASSETS OUT OF SERVICE TO PROPERLY
MAINTAIN.
WE HAVE TO DO IT IN THE LIVE WITH WATER FLOWING THROUGH IT
OR WE DON'T NECESSARILY MAINTAIN IT AS WE SHOULD.
IT IS HIGHER CAPACITY, BUT GIVE US THE ABILITY TO MAINTAIN
IT.
5:03:28PM >>BILL CARLSON:
[INAUDIBLE]
FASTER TOO, RIGHT?
5:03:32PM >> IT DOES, BUT WE STILL MAINTAIN OUTWARD PRESSURE OF 70 PSI
COMING OUT OF THE PLANT.
5:03:40PM >> BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THE QUESTION IS NO.
SO OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IS RATED TO TREAT, ON
AVERAGE, 96 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
I'VE BEEN HERE 33 YEARS, AND IT'S BEEN ANYWHERE, WE'VE SEEN
55 MILLION TO 60, AND WHY IS THAT?
SEVERAL REASONS.
WATER IS A COMMODITY.

PEOPLE ARE USING LESS GALLONS PER PERSON, PER DAY.
SO IT'S DROPPING.
AND THE OTHER THING IS, WE'RE FIXING THE HOLES IN OUR PIPES.
WE HAVE ALL THESE GRAVITY PIPES, 1200 MILES THROUGH TOWN,
ALL THIS PIPE LINING, AS YOU PUT THE NEW LINER IN THE PIPE,
YOU HELP STOP THE GROUNDWATER GETTING INTO THE PIPE WHICH
GOES TO THE PLANT WHICH WE HAVE TO TREAT.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT, OVER THE LAST 33 YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE,
FLOW TO THE PLANT HAS BEEN THE SAME.
WE STILL HAVE A TON OF CAPACITY LEFT BETWEEN OUR 60 MILLION
GALLONS A DAY WE'RE SEEING NOW AND THE 96.
WE ARE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS WITH NEW PUMPS AND THINGS LIKE
THAT WHEN WE REPLACE IT, WE GET MORE HIGHER EFFICIENCY
EQUIPMENT.
5:04:46PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SINCE OTHER PEOPLE TOLD JOKES, WE WON'T TURN
INTO ANY TILAPIA PLANTS.
REMEMBER IN ST. PETE, THEY PUT A TILAPIA INCUBATOR AND FOUND
OUT THEY SHOULDN'T DO THAT.
5:05:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CAN I GET A MOTION TO LAUGH?
HA HA.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT UP IS ITEM 78. ABBYE FEELEY, ACROSS FROM HILLSBOROUGH.
5:05:28PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I SENT A MEMO OUT SAYING I NEEDED TO BE GONE
BY A CERTAIN TIME, 35, 40 MINUTES FOR A COMMUNITY MEETING I
HAVE.

IF WE GET TO THAT TIME, I HAVE SOME MOTIONS I HAVE TO DO
TODAY, IF I MAY.
THANK YOU.
5:05:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HELLO, SIR.
5:05:42PM >>ERIC COTTON:
AS YOU ALL KNOW, I'M USUALLY VERY BRIEF WHEN
I'M UP HERE.
ON JUNE 20, COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF, WE WERE AT A WORKSHOP,
COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO COME UP WITH LANGUAGE, EVEN THOUGH
WITH COUNCIL ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT THE LIVE LOCAL ACT
DOES NOT REQUIRE, STRICTLY ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS, NO PUBLIC
INPUT SO TO SPEAK, BUT COUNCIL THOUGHT IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT
FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE AWARE OF LIVE LOCAL PROJECTS COMING
THROUGH.
IN THE BACK OF YOUR MEMO THAT WAS ISSUED, THERE IS A
SUGGESTED NOTICE LETTER.
5:06:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LET'S MAKE IT BIGGER.
5:06:23PM >>ERIC COTTON:
BASICALLY IT'S STATING THAT, HAS APPLICATION
NUMBER, WHICH AN LND START, BECAUSE IN ACCELA.
PARCEL ADDRESS.
THERE IS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT COMING THROUGH UNDER
LIVE LOCAL.
THIS IS NOTICE THAT THIS EVENT IS TAKING PLACE, BUT THERE IS
NO PUBLIC INPUT, PER SE.
NOT GOING TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING.
THE PUBLIC CAN PARTICIPATE IN A SENSE BY BEING AWARE OF IT,

BUT THERE IS NO PUBLIC HEARING.
NO APPEAL TO CITY COUNCIL.
STRICTLY ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS.
IF YOU HAVE A COMPLAINT, YOU CAN GO REACH OUT TO YOUR STATE
LEGISLATOR ABOUT THE LIVE LOCAL ACT ITSELF AND THE
PREEMPTION BEING DONE TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
ALONG WITH THAT, COUNCIL ALSO WANTED A SIGN.
WE DIDN'T PUT UP A SIGN BECAUSE THEY ARE EXPENSIVE JUST TO
PRINT UP.
BUT IF COUNCIL IS OKAY WITH THIS KIND OF LANGUAGE, THIS IS
WHAT WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH.
THEY WILL BE THE SAME SIZE AS REZONING SIGNS, YELLOW SIGNS.
THE QR CODE WILL WORK JUST LIKE IT DOES ON THE REZONING,
VARIANCE SIGNS.
SCAN THEM, TAKE YOU TO THE MAP AND THEN TAKE YOU TO ACCELA.
ANY QUESTIONS?
5:07:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THIS MOTION WAS MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER
CARLSON.
DO YOU WANT TO KICK IT OFF OR COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK?
5:07:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
COULD YOU PUT THAT SIGN BACK?
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THIS.
I ESPECIALLY LOVE THE CLICK OR THE CONNECTION TO YOUR
LEGISLATIVE REPRESENTATIVE BECAUSE THAT'S TRUE.
THAT'S WHERE THEY CAN GO.
SO I THINK THAT'S VERY CREATIVE AND I LIKE THAT.

GREAT JOB, LEGAL.
BUT ALSO, THIS IS GREAT.
THE ONLY THING THAT CONCERNS ME IS THAT IT SAYS LIVE LOCAL,
BUT THIS NOTICE DOES NOT CREATE OR RESULT IN A RIGHT TO
PARTICIPATE IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS, WHICH DOES NOT
REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.
MAYBE ADDING SCAN ME.
I KNOW YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SCAN FOR MORE INFORMATION, BUT IT
KIND OF LEAVES THE READER SORT OF QUESTIONING, WELL, WHAT
DOES THAT MEAN?
5:08:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PUT LIKE FOR MORE INFORMATION, SCAN THE
QR CODE.
5:08:39PM >>ERIC COTTON:
LIKE OVER HERE.
5:08:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH.
YOU WOULD NORMALLY THINK PEOPLE WITH GO TO THE SCAN BUT I
THINK MAYBE ADDING THAT LANGUAGE BECAUSE IT JUST STOPS SO
ABRUPTLY.
NORMALLY IT GIVES CITY HALL'S ADDRESS AND LIKE WHAT YOU CAN
DO.
5:08:57PM >>ERIC COTTON:
HAVE THE SCAN THING.
5:08:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS A GREAT IDEA.
MOVING THE SCAN ME.
THAT'S PERFECT.
5:09:03PM >>ERIC COTTON:
IT WILL LOOK MUCH NEATER THAN THAT, TOO.
5:09:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I LOVE IT.

THANK YOU.
5:09:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
5:09:11PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK ABOUT ADDING THE WORD
PREEMPTION TO THE TITLE?
STATE LIVE LOCAL ACT PREEMPTION?
AND/OR PUT IT IN THE SENTENCE BELOW.
I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PREEMPTION ENOUGH, A LOT OF THE
RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND IT, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR THAT WE
DON'T HAVE ANY.
5:09:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THIS DEVELOPMENT IS DUE TO STATE
PREEMPTION.
5:09:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS NOTICE DOES NOT CREATE OR RESULT IN A
-- [INAUDIBLE]
5:09:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
5:09:44PM >>BILL CARLSON:
OR DUE TO A STATE LEGISLATIVE PREEMPTION.
5:09:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BLATANTLY SAYING YOU CAN'T PARTICIPATE,
TOO BAD, BECAUSE THEY WILL YELL AT US.
AT LEAST CLARIFY, DUE TO STATE PREEMPTION BY -- YOU KNOW,
LEGISLATIVE STATE PREEMPTION.
5:10:01PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
IF I COULD MAKE ONE SUGGESTION, MS. POYNOR
JUST RAISED TO ME.
ALL OF OUR SIGNS THAT WE JUST RE-DID COLLECTIVELY IN
PARTNERSHIP ARE YELLOW.
THEY DO LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO MAYBE IN THIS CASE WE SHOULDN'T USE YELLOW.

MAYBE WE SHOULD USE SOMETHING ELSE SO THAT THERE ISN'T THAT
SAME ASSOCIATION WITH THE VARIANCES AND SPECIAL USES AND
SOMETHING ELSE.
5:10:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT COLORS ARE AVAILABLE?
ALL OF THEM CURRENTLY YELLOW?
5:10:32PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ALL OF OUR PUBLIC HEARING LAND DECISIONS
ARE.
5:10:35PM >>ERIC COTTON:
WE CAN MAKE THEM SLIME GREEN.
5:10:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT SHOULD BE THE OFFICIAL COLOR.
5:10:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW ABOUT WHATEVER IS CHEAPEST?
5:10:49PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I DON'T THINK THE COST IS ASSOCIATED WITH
THE COLOR.
5:10:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THEY'LL GET ATTENTION AND PEOPLE WILL BE
ABLE TO SEE THEM AT NIGHT AND NOTICE THEM WHEN THEY DRIVE
BY.
YEAH.
GOT TO THINK ABOUT THAT STUFF BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO
GET -- SIGNS GET LOST AND FALL OVER, LIME GREEN AND NEON
GREEN.
YOU SEE THEM.
5:11:07PM >>ERIC COTTON:
OKAY.
5:11:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:11:10PM >>ERIC COTTON:
YOU'RE WELCOME.
5:11:25PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THE MEMO INDICATED THAT WE HAVE UPDATED THE

LIVE LUCKILY MEMO THAT IS ON OUR WEBSITE.
WE ALSO UPDATED THE WEBSITE TO NOW HAVE PROJECTS THAT
RECEIVED APPROVAL ON IT, SO THOSE OTHER CHANGES THAT WE OWED
YOU A STATUS ON WERE PROVIDED IN THAT MEMORANDUM.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT.
5:11:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ITEM 79, MR. VASKE, YES, SIR.
5:11:46PM >>JUSTIN VASKE:
JUSTIN VASKE, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
ITEM 79.
ON JUNE 27, 2024, CITY COUNCIL MADE THE FOLLOWING MOTION
WHICH WAS THAT STAFF BE REQUESTED TO PREPARE A RESOLUTION TO
SET CITY COUNCIL SALARY AT 75,190 BEGINNING ON OCTOBER 1,
2024, FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025 AND INCLUDE AN ANNUAL INCREASE
BASED ON THE ATU NEGOTIATED INCREASE.
FURTHER, THAT SAID SALARY ONLY BE SET FOR THE DURATION OF
THE CURRENT ELECTION TERM.
NOW, I PROVIDED CITY COUNCIL WITH A RESOLUTION THAT SETS THE
ANNUAL SALARY OF EACH MEMBER OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL TO 75,190 EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1, 2024.
AND AUTHORIZES AN ANNUAL INCREASE IN SALARY BASED ON THE
SAME ANNUAL INCREASE NEGOTIATED BY THE ATU BEGINNING ON
OCTOBER 1, 2025.
THAT IS ALL.
HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
5:12:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE ATU

LANGUAGE THERE.
I'M CONCERNED THAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE OR APPEAR OR BE A
CONFLICT OF INTEREST SINCE WE AS A BODY VOTE TO APPROVE
THOSE CONTRACTS OR VOTE ON THOSE CONTRACTS.
AND IN LOOKING AT THAT, ISN'T THE STANDARD COST-OF-LIVING
ADJUSTMENT NO MORE THAN 3%?
5:13:05PM >>JUSTIN VASKE:
CURRENTLY THE STANDARD COST-OF-LIVING
ADJUSTMENT FOR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS IS BASED ON THE
MANAGERIAL CLASS EMPLOYEES WITH A CAP OF 3%.
5:13:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
WHY CAN'T WE USE THAT AND WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE TIED TO THE
ATU?
5:13:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE REASON I RECOMMENDED IT GO TO THE ATU IS
BECAUSE OUR STAFF WAS ABLE TO GET A GIANT COST-OF-LIVING
ADJUSTMENT IN THE LAST CONTRACT BECAUSE WE HAD SUCH GREAT
INFLATION.
SO WE PROVIDED FOR THEM TO HAVE THIS.
AND THE ISSUE WAS -- THE ISSUE IS, RATHER, THAT IT IS SO LOW
BECAUSE WE'RE STUCK WITH THAT 3%.
WHEREAS IF WE'RE TYING IT TO ATU, AND MR. VASKE AND
MS. ZELMAN BROUGHT THE SAME CONCERN TO ME.
I DO BELIEVE WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT DURING THE WORKSHOP.
WE HAVE A WORKSHOP COMING.
BUT THE REASON I DECIDED TO TIE IT TO THIS, WE DON'T
NEGOTIATE THE ATU CONTRACT.

IN FACT, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO NEGOTIATE.
AND THE REASON I CHOSE THE ATU CONTRACT BECAUSE THAT IS OUR
EVERYDAY EMPLOYEE.
WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE ANY MORE THAN OUR EVERYDAY EMPLOYEE
GETS, BUT BECAUSE OF THE INFLATION WE JUST HAD, THAT FIRST
RAISE WAS A 9% RAISE.
THAT WOULD HAVE TAKEN US MULTIPLE YEARS, AND THAT'S THREE
YEARS, BUT NOT THREE YEARS, BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING THAT
SAME.
THAT IS WHY I DID IT.
I BELIEVE WHATEVER THE GENERAL EMPLOYEE GETS, WE SHOULD BE
FOLLOWING THEM.
YES, I DO AGREE, BUT I THINK BY AND LARGE WE SUPPORT OUR
EMPLOYEES.
WE HAVEN'T ALWAYS HAD THE SAME AGREEMENT BETWEEN POLICE,
FIRE, AND ATU, BUT THE LAST SEVERAL COUNCILS HAVE BEEN VERY
STRONG WITH THAT.
I BELIEVE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD GET THE SAME RATE
THAT THEY GET.
NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS.
I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE GOING FORWARD BEING ABLE TO MAKE
SURE THAT OUR OTHER EMPLOYEES THAT ARE NOT UNDER THIS
RECEIVE THAT SAME CONSIDERATION.
AND THAT'S THE REASON I DID IT.
5:15:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I UNDERSTAND IT.

ANOTHER THING IS, WE TALK ABOUT THIS SALARY.
WE'RE AT 54 RIGHT NOW.
OUR LEGISLATIVE AIDES, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ALL OF THEM, BUT
SOME OF THEM FLOAT AROUND HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR.
95, 96.
HUNDRED.
THIS IS PUBLIC RECORD SO I'M NOT DIVULGING INFORMATION.
THE MAYOR IS FLOATING UNDER 200, LIKE 180 SOMETHING.
I DON'T KNOW IF I SAW CORRECTLY TODAY BUT THE CHIEF OF STAFF
IS AT A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS.
MAYBE I READ IT WRONG.
PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT TALKED ABOUT BECAUSE
THE MEDIA ISN'T -- WE DON'T GO INTO ALL THE SALARIES.
JUST TO PUT IT INTO PERSPECTIVE, WHERE WE'RE AT AS A CITY
COUNCIL.
WHO ELSE HAD THEIR MIKE ON?
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON?
ANYBODY ELSE?
5:15:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE NEED TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION?
5:16:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT WAS YOUR ORIGINAL MOTION.
5:16:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TURN THAT MIKE ON.
5:16:05PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU, HURTAK.
I KNOW YOU WAS GOING TO GET ME ON THAT.
WHAT NUMBER?
79?

HERE IT IS.
I WANT TO SAY I MOVE FILE CM 24-7880, RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING
THE ANNUAL SALARY OF $75,190 FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE CITY OF
TAMPA CITY COUNCIL EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1, 2024, AND
AUTHORIZING A GENERAL FUND SALARY INCREASE EFFECTIVE ON
OCTOBER 1, 2025, RESCINDING RESOLUTION NUMBER 98-1477 AND
2005-633, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
5:16:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
CLENDENIN AND DISCUSSION.
5:16:50PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WANT TO EXPLAIN MY VOTE AGAIN ON THIS.
I HAD DONE A MOTION SOME TIME AGO, MAYBE TWO, THREE MONTHS
AGO TO HAVE A SALARY SIMILAR TO THIS TO TAKE PLACE AFTER
2027.
MY POSITION ON THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN VERY CLEAR.
I WANT TO READ, IF I MAY, 27th AMENDMENT TO THE
CONSTITUTION HAS A VERY INTERESTING HISTORY.
IT WAS PASSED.
THE LAST AMENDMENT THAT WAS PASSED, ORIGINALLY WRITTEN BY
AND SUPPORTED BY SOME OF OUR FOUNDING FATHERS, INCLUDING
JAMES MADISON AND THEN IT WASN'T PASSED UNTIL I THINK '91,
'92.
IT SAYS NO LAW VARYING THE COMPENSATION FOR THE SERVICES AND
REPRESENTATIVES SHALL TAKE EFFECTIVE AFTER ELECTION,
REPRESENTATIVES INTERVENED.
THEREFORE WHAT I'VE ALWAYS SAID IS THAT WE SHOULD -- I WANT

TO BE VERY CLEAR ON THE TIMELINE BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S
CONFUSION IN TERMS OF MY POSITION, IS TO SUPPORT A PAY
RAISE, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, VOTE, HAVE AN ELECTION, THEN
GET THE BENEFIT OF IT.
OTHER THAN THE ONE I PROPOSED, WHICH AGAIN I THINK THAT
TALKING ABOUT A HIGHER SALARY IS SOMETHING VERY REASONABLE,
IF NOT NECESSARY, VERY NECESSARY, IN FACT.
NO OTHER PROPOSAL HAS EVER HAD THAT, HAS EVER SAID THAT
WE'RE GOING TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION TO GET THE
BENEFIT.
AGAIN, TO BE CLEAR, YOU VOTE ON IT, YOU VOTE YES, YOU GO
FORWARD.
IT PASSES.
IF IT PASSES, YOU HAVE AN ELECTION, THEN YOU GET THE BENEFIT
OF IT.
THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY POSITION IN THAT REGARD.
AGAIN, THE CONVERSATION ON HAVING A HIGHER TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL SALARY IS ONE THAT I SUPPORT.
THAT'S WHY I DID THAT MOTION, TO HAVE US HAVE ABOUT 75, 76
THOUSAND DOLLAR SALARY WITH INFLATION ADJUSTMENTS FROM 24 TO
27 WHEN THAT WOULD TAKE EFFECT IN 2027 BECAUSE WE DO NEED A
HIGHER TAMPA CITY COUNCIL SALARY.
WHEN PEOPLE SAY THIS ISN'T ABOUT US, IT'S ABOUT NEXT
COUNCIL, I TAKE THAT LITERALLY IN EVERYTHING.
AGAIN, I KNOW I'M IN THE MINORITY OF THIS AND I RESPECT

EVERYBODY'S OPINIONS BUT I WANTED TO EXPLAIN MY POSITION.
5:18:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THE THING IS --
5:18:51PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THIS IS THE NEXT COUNCIL.
YEAH, IT IS, ACTUALLY, BECAUSE YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT THIS
BEFORE WHEN I WAS JUST SITTING AT HOME LISTENING, YOU ALL
SAID THAT FOR THE NEXT ELECTION AND YOU DIDN'T DO IT.
I DIDN'T SEE ANYONE MOVE THE MOTION FOR IT TO BE FOR THE
ELECTION IN WHICH I PARTICIPATED IN.
DID ANYONE DO THAT?
5:19:13PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MAY I EXPLAIN?
AGAIN, MY POSITION IS -- NO, NO.
I THINK THERE'S CONFUSION HERE.
YOU PASS IT.
YOU DON'T GET THE BENEFIT OF IT UNTIL AFTER AN ELECTION.
THE ONES THAT I VOTED AGAINST WERE TO TAKE PLACE AND TAKE
EFFECT IMMEDIATELY WHICH IS WHY I VOTED AGAINST IT.
I PROPOSED ONE THAT WOULD TAKE EFFECT AFTER THE ELECTION.
'27.
AGAIN, I RESPECT THAT.
BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE MY POSITION IS PATTERNED AFTER WHAT
THE 27th AMENDMENT SAYS FOR CONGRESS.
PEOPLE DISAGREE.
THAT'S COOL, MAN.
NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

THANK YOU.
5:19:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M GOOD.
5:19:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION.
WE HAVE A SECOND.
LET'S DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
5:19:57PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
5:19:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
5:20:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
5:20:01PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
5:20:03PM >>LUIS VIERA:
NO.
5:20:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
5:20:06PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON AND VIERA VOTING NO
AND MIRANDA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
5:20:12PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
ACKNOWLEDGE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY JUSTIN VASKE FOR HIS
WORK ON THIS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:20:19PM >>JUSTIN VASKE:
YOU'RE WELCOME.
5:20:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL GO TO NEW BUSINESS, INFORMATION REPORTS.
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
5:20:26PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF MOTIONS.
FIRST I WANTED TO UPDATE EVERYBODY ON SOMETHING, THE RACIAL

RECONCILIATION COMMITTEE.
THIS ISN'T PART OF A MOTION, BUT WE ARE GETTING DATES.
WE HAVE THE FACILITATOR.
MY OFFICE, AGAIN, I REALLY WANT TO GIVE PUBLIC CREDIT TO MY
FRIEND AND LEGISLATIVE AIDE WHO I CARE FOR SO MUCH AND THE
HARD WORK SHE'S DONE.
MR. SHELBY, WHO I ALSO CARE FOR A LOT AND THE HARD WORK HE'S
DONE AND MANY OTHERS IN GETTING THIS DONE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT HAVING OUR FIRST MEETING.
WE'RE TALKING TO THE BOARD MEMBERS PROSPECTIVELY IN LATE
SEPTEMBER.
IT HAS BEEN VERY DIFFICULT.
WE'RE ALSO GETTING SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS AND EVERYTHING FOR
DIFFERENT FIELDS.
SO ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR IMPROVEMENT, ET CETERA, PLEASE LET US
KNOW BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE THIS AS WONDERFUL AS POSSIBLE.
I'VE GONE THROUGH THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE'VE GONE TO GO
TO THE COMMUNITY AND TALK ABOUT THIS.
I THINK THIS IS GREAT.
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, SOME OF THE ISSUES YOU TALKED ABOUT
BEFORE, I SEE THIS AS SOMETHING THAT CAN HELP US, GOD
WILLING, MAKE PROGRESS ON THIS.
SO WE'VE BEEN GLAD TO WORK ON THAT.
FIRST, IF I MAY --
5:21:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION.

THIS IS SOMETHING I DO WITH EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT I
NOMINATE AND APPOINT TO SOMETHING IS THAT I DO A MONTHLY
MEETING WITH THEM.
SO I RECOMMEND THAT THIS COUNCIL PARTICIPATE FULLY IN THAT
PROCESS BY TALKING WITH THE PERSON THEY NOMINATED AND
APPOINTED TO THE BOARD SO THAT -- WELL, SO THEY CAN'T COME
BACK AND SAY, OH, WELL, WE DID THIS AND WE'RE UP HERE AND
DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
THIS IS SO IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY AND WE OWE IT TO THE
COMMUNITY TO BE ACTIVE PARTICIPANTS BY LISTENING TO OUR
APPOINTEES AND SHARING THOUGHTS AND IDEAS WITH THEM, SO THAT
THIS BECOMES A COHESIVE -- YEAH, SO WHEN THEY COME FORWARD
WITH RESOLUTIONS AND MOTIONS, WE ARE READY AND ABLE TO MOVE
THOSE FORWARD.
5:22:32PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I AGREE, MA'AM.
THANK YOU.
I HAVE A FEW MOTIONS.
FIRST OFF, ON CIT, I MOTION FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO REPORT
TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL AND FOR TAMPA CITY COUNCIL TO REPORT
TO THE PUBLIC ON WHAT WE ARE DOING TO SUPPORT PASSAGE OF THE
CIT.
I'M LOOKING AT EITHER SEPTEMBER 19 OR 2026.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ORGANIZED EFFORTS THAT ARE BEING DONE.
CIT IS SO PIVOTAL TO THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY.
IT IS SO PIVOTAL AND WE ARE TWO MONTHS AWAY FROM THE

ELECTION.
AND WE REALLY NEED TO, ALL OF US WHO SUPPORT IT, I KNOW
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WHO IS NOT HERE INDICATED I BELIEVE THAT
HE DOESN'T SUPPORT IT.
THAT'S FINE.
THOSE OF US THAT HAVE EXPRESSED SUPPORT THAT WERE OUT THERE
TALKING, IT'S NOT JUST THE CITY.
TALK TO OUR FRIENDS IN PLANT CITY, TEMPLE TERRACE, EAST
COUNTY, TOWN N' COUNTRY, ET CETERA, ON THIS, SO THAT'S WHAT
I WANT US TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON WHAT WE'RE DOING TO
PROMOTE THE CIT.
IF WE DON'T PASS THIS, WE ARE IN A LOT OF HURT.
5:23:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE YOU SAID 2026.
I'M CONFUSED.
5:23:40PM >>LUIS VIERA:
DID I?
SO SORRY.
24.
THAT IT'S COMING UP IN 2024.
5:23:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN
CARLSON.
I WILL TELL EVERYBODY THIS, AND THIS IS WHAT I TELL PEOPLE.
THIS IS MAKE OR BREAK.
IF THE CIT DOESN'T PASS, I FEEL BAD FOR THE NEXT MAYOR AND
THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL.
WE TALK ABOUT BONDING NOW.

WE TALK ABOUT A MILLAGE INCREASE LAST YEAR.
THERE ARE A LOT OF NEEDS.
THIS IS CRITICAL, AND IT'S A 15-YEAR RENEWAL OF WHAT IS
EXISTING.
IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
5:24:12PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE
INFORMATION PRESENTED.
I WOULD CAUTION EVERYBODY ABOUT BEING TOO CLOSELY CONNECTED
TO THIS AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.
I CAN GO BACK THROUGH THE DATA WITH YOU, BUT AT LEAST THREE
OF THE FOUR CAMPAIGNS THAT HAVE BEEN RUN IN HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY LOST IN PART BECAUSE OF THEIR CLOSE CONNECTION WITH
CERTAIN ELECTED OFFICIALS.
WE WANT TO MAKE IT ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, NOT ABOUT ELECTED
OFFICIALS.
IT CAN'T BE, SOME PEOPLE SAY, OH, WELL, THE MAYOR NEEDS TO
STAND UP OR THIS PERSON, THAT HAS WORKED AGAINST THESE IN
THE PAST.
THINK ABOUT IF YOU GOT 80% OF THE VOTE, STILL 20% OF THE
PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T VOTE FOR YOU.
SO WE NEED TO PROVIDE INFORMATION, SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY,
BUT IF WE ARE TOO CLOSELY BRANDED WITH IT, IT COULD TURN A
LOT OF PEOPLE OFF.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE US ALL TO BE CAREFUL.

5:25:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN AND HENDERSON.
5:25:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I KIND OF AGREE -- PUTTING MY POLITICAL
HAT ON AND EXPERIENCE IN THESE THINGS.
I THINK THE BEST CONTRIBUTION WE ALL CAN MAKE AS INDIVIDUALS
AND PEOPLE INVESTED IN THE COMMUNICATION IS HELPING THE
ORGANIZATIONS FIGHTING FOR THIS TO RAISE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO
COMMUNICATE.
IF YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO REACH OUT AND HELP THEM RAISE
MONEY TO BE ABLE TO DO IT, I THINK AS FAR AS MOVING THE
INITIATIVE FORWARD, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY THE BEST TACT TO
TAKE IS FUND-RAISING FOR COMMUNICATION.
THOSE TOOLS AND OPPORTUNITIES.
IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A STIGMA ATTACHING THE PERSONAL
POLITICS AND STUFF TO AN ISSUE THAT TRANSCENDS POLITICS.
WE ALL KNOW HOW IMPORTANT IT IS AND HOW HORRIBLE IT WILL BE
FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA AND HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IF THIS DOES
NOT PASS.
BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO BE PERSONALLY EITHER WEIGH
IN ON THAT OR NOT.
5:26:06PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
HOW MUCH MONEY IS THIS AGAIN?
HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS?
WHAT'S INTERESTING TO ME IT'S BEEN EXISTING FOR, WHAT,
ALMOST 30 YEARS.
THE PART THAT BOTHERS ME ABOUT IT IS THE FACT WE SHOULD NOT
HAVE A SUCCESSION PLAN TO TALK ABOUT GETTING OFF OF IT.

IT'S GOING TO BE ENDING.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?
NOW THAT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS IS ASKING FOR A
MILLAGE INCREASE TO PAY TEACHERS, THIS IS A STRUGGLE FOR ME
AS A COUNCIL MEMBER KNOWING THAT OUR TEACHERS ARE UNDERPAID,
WE OPENED THE SCHOOL YEAR.
THERE ARE A THOUSAND TEACHERS THAT ARE NEEDED.
AND EVERY SURROUNDING COUNTY IS PAYING THEIR TEACHERS A LOT
HIGHER.
IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO BE IN THIS POSITION WHERE I HEAR
COUNCIL MEMBERS GOING, OH, WE REALLY NEED IT OR IT'S GOING
TO BREAK US.
THAT MAKES ME FEEL BAD BUT TEACHERS ALSO NEED TO BE PAID.
AND THAT DOES NOT MAKE ME FEEL BAD BECAUSE THEY ARE
UNDERPAID.
THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY ABOUT IT.
I UNDERSTAND WHY WE NEED THE MONEY.
I REALLY DO.
I JUST HATE THAT WE ARE IN THIS POSITION.
TO HAVE TO VOTE ON TWO THINGS ASKING THE PUBLIC TO SUPPORT
US TO KEEP US GOING.
5:27:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK YOU RAISE A FABULOUS POINT.
ALWAYS SUPPORT TEACHERS.
PERSONALLY, I WILL VOTE FOR BOTH OF THE MEASURES BECAUSE I
SEE WHAT TAX DOLLARS DO.

I SEE CLEARLY WHAT MY TAX DOLLARS DO.
I'M ALWAYS HAPPY TO SUPPORT EDUCATION AS A FORMER EDUCATOR
MYSELF AND BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE THAT THIS EDUCATION CAMPAIGN FOR THE
RENEWAL OF THE CIT NEEDS TO DO, THIS IS NOT CHANGING.
THE ONLY REAL THING ON THE BALLOT IS THE INCREASE FOR
TEACHERS.
THE OTHER ONE IS JUST MAINTAINING.
I DO HOPE THAT WHEN THIS COMES BEFORE US, THAT WE HEAR SOME
OF THE STRATEGIES WE'RE DOING, BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN BOTH
THINGS TREMENDOUSLY, AND I BELIEVE THE PUBLIC DOES TOO.
IF THE PUBLIC JUST KNOWS WELL, NO CIT, NO EXTRA FIREFIGHTERS
OR POLICE OFFICERS OR ALL THESE THINGS THAT WE NEED FOR OUR
COMMUNITY, IT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.
I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING HOW THE PLAN IS COMING
FORWARD FOR BOTH.
5:28:32PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I'M SO GLAD YOU SAID THAT.
5:28:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ABSOLUTELY.
5:28:36PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
[MICROPHONE NOT ON]
5:28:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I BELIEVE IN BOTH STRONGLY AND I HAVE
ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH SUPPORTING OUR EDUCATORS AND
SUPPORTING OUR FUTURE.
AS DOES SUPPORTING OUR TRANSIT AND PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS THAT
WE GET FROM THIS.
PUBLIC SAFETY.

PUBLIC SAFETY.
5:29:08PM >>BILL CARLSON:
A COUPLE OF THINGS.
BEING AROUND ALL THESE FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS, I THINK THE
REASON IT DIDN'T COME UP UNTIL NOW IS BECAUSE OF ALL FOR
TRANSPORTATION.
IF IT HAD PASSED THE FIRST TIME, THIS PROBABLY WOULD HAVE
BEEN BROUGHT UP A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
BECAUSE THEY MADE A SECOND GO ON IT, IT DELAYED IT.
BUT WE STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, NOT VERY MUCH.
HOPEFULLY IT WILL JUST PASS.
BUT THE OTHER THING IS I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW THIS, BUT THE
CITY CANNOT USE TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO SAY VOTE YES.
ALL THEY CAN DO IS EDUCATE.
I'VE NEVER BEEN AN ELECTED OFFICIAL ON ONE OF THESE BEFORE.
MARTY, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO USE OUR CITY E-MAILS OR
RESOURCES AT ALL TO SAY YES, BUT WE PRIVATELY IN A --
5:29:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU MADE A MOTION.
5:29:58PM >>LUIS VIERA:
ONE THING I WAS GOING TO SAY, TOO, THAT
COUNCILMAN CARLSON MENTIONED USING US INDIVIDUALLY, I WOULD
ALSO ENCOURAGE BECAUSE WE'RE ALL REGISTERED TO A PARTICULAR
POLITICAL PARTY FOR US TO ALSO WORK PUBLICLY WITH PEOPLE
REGISTERED TO THE OTHER REGISTERED POLITICAL PARTY BECAUSE
PEOPLE HAVE TO HEAR FROM BOTH SIDES.
IT'S NOT A DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN ISSUE.
I'M DOING THAT.

AGAIN, COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, I SUPPORT BOTH, FOR THE
RECORD.
I'M GLAD TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN.
5:30:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BEING LOGICAL ABOUT REACHING ACROSS THE
AISLES.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK,
CORRECT?
CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
5:30:38PM >>LUIS VIERA:
CAN WE DO SEPTEMBER 19?
5:30:41PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
[INAUDIBLE]
5:30:44PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
[INAUDIBLE]
5:30:45PM >>LUIS VIERA:
ALL GOOD.
5:30:46PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
[INAUDIBLE]
5:30:49PM >>LUIS VIERA:
A VERBAL REPORT.
5:30:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
5:30:59PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I HAVE A COUPLE MORE.
I WAS REQUESTED BY ADVOCATES WITH PEPIN ACADEMIES WHO WERE
HERE, A REQUEST MOBILITY DEPARTMENT TO WORK WITH FORMER
TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFICER LISA BUNT.
SOME OF US MAY REMEMBER HER.

WONDERFUL WOMAN.
PEPIN ACADEMIES AND RELEVANT JURISDICTIONS ON ESTABLISHING A
SCHOOL ZONE IN FRONT OF PEPIN ACADEMIES AS WELL AS PAINTING
AND POSTING SIGNS THAT SAY DO NOT BLOCK INTERSECTION ALONG
40th STREET AND THAT STAFF REPORT BACK ON THESE REQUESTS
AT DECEMBER 19.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF REQUESTS FROM FOLKS AT PEPINS, PARENTS
RAISING KIDS WITH SPECIAL NEEDS.
5:31:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW DO THEY NOT HAVE A SCHOOL ZONE
ALREADY?
5:31:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE TRAFFIC THERE IS UNREAL.
5:31:38PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I KNOW.
5:31:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
5:31:46PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YOU ALL MAY HAVE HEARD THAT TRINITY CAFE ON
BUSCH BOULEVARD APPEARS TO BE CLOSING, WHICH IS AWFUL.
THERE ARE A LOT OF CONCERNS ON THAT.
I WANTED STAFF TO REPORT ON WHAT CITY STAFF IS DOING FOR A
NUMBER OF ISSUES, BUT I'LL HIGHLIGHT TWO OF THEM, WHICH IS
NUMBER ONE AND SULING JUST FOR PURPOSES OF SUMMARY, FOR THE
WELL-BEING OF CLIENTS AND THEN NUMBER TWO, FOR MOBILITY AND
CLIENTS AND WALKING ON BUSCH BOULEVARD TO GO TO OTHER SITES
FOR FEEDING.

I WANT THAT TO BE -- I DIDN'T PUT A DATE.
THAT'S FUNNY.
SORRY, COUNCIL.
LET'S SAY JANUARY 9.
5:32:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER.
5:32:30PM >>LUIS VIERA:
VIERA ACTUALLY, WE SHOULD DO THAT SOONER.
5:32:34PM >> WHEN DO THEY CLOSE?
5:32:36PM >>LUIS VIERA:
DECEMBER 5th I THINK.
5:32:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ARE YOU ASKING JUST OUR STAFF OR ARE YOU ALSO
ASKING FEEDING TAMPA BAY TO COME AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THEIR
STRATEGIES ARE?
5:32:46PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WANT TO ASK THEM BEFORE I MOTION FOR THAT.
I PROBABLY WILL AMEND IT.
5:32:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WAS THINKING I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN --
5:32:55PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WANT TO PLANT THE SEED AND THEN REACH OUT.
5:32:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
5:33:01PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AND THEN I ALSO MENTION THE REPORT TODAY FROM
TAMPA FIRE RESCUE ON THE STATION 24 FLEET MAINTENANCE REAL
ESTATE, K-BAR RANCH AND DOWNTOWN TAMPA, I WANT TO HAVE AN
UPDATED REPORT ON THAT.
GOSH, WHERE DID I WRITE THIS DOWN?
I'M SORRY.

FEBRUARY 6 OF 2025.
5:33:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WOW.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
5:33:30PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I THINK THAT'S IT.
I WORKED ON A BUNCH OF STUFF.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
5:33:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
DO YOU HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS, MA'AM?
5:33:41PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
NO.
5:33:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. CHAIRMAN, ANYTHING?
NO.
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN?
5:33:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I MOTION TO INSTRUCT STAFF TO DRAFT AN
ORDINANCE THAT WOULD REQUIRE FAIR MARKET APPRAISAL BE
COMPLETED OF ANY PROPERTY PROPOSED TO BE SOLD OR
TRANSFERRED.
THAT ORDINANCE SHOULD BE INCLUDED -- ORDINANCE SHOULD ALSO
INCLUDE THAT THE APPRAISAL BE PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL
PRIOR TO THE VOTE TO SELL OR TRANSFER OF THE PROPERTY.
I WOULD LIKE THAT BY NOVEMBER 21st AND SOME BACKGROUND.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IN PREVIOUS COUNCIL, LISA MONTELIONE

WHO USED TO SERVE ON THE COUNCIL, HAD THIS AS A MOTION OR
INSTRUCTION BUT IT GOT LOST IN THE FORGOTTEN WORLD.
SO THEY USED TO DO THIS.
THAT'S WHY I'M PUTTING IT FORWARD AS AN ORDINANCE SO IT'S
INSTITUTIONALIZED AND STAYS FOREVER.
5:34:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A SECOND.
FOR THE RECORD, LISA MONTELIONE WAS THE HARDEST WORKING CITY
COUNCIL MEMBER I'VE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE.
SHE'S FROM UP NORTH.
WE HAVE VERY HARDWORKING CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS BUT MONTELIONE
WAS FANTASTIC.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
ANYTHING ELSE?
5:34:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S IT.
5:34:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:34:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I TALKED ABOUT THIS AT A PRIOR MEETING, BUT IT WAS NOT
TALKED ABOUT IN THE BUDGET WORKSHOP ON TUESDAY BECAUSE I
DIDN'T MAKE A MOTION.
SO I MOVE TO HAVE STAFF PREPARE A GRAPHIC AND PRESENT IT AT
THE SEPTEMBER 17 FINAL BUDGET HEARING THAT SHOWS DATA ON ALL
POSITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN VACANT FOR SIX MONTHS OR GREATER,
INCLUDING TPD AND TFR.

5:35:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
ANYTHING ELSE?
5:35:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
THE MOTION THAT I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER TO AMEND THE
FINANCIAL TRANSACTION, THAT WAS AUGUST 8 MOTION.
I WANT TO AMEND IT TO SAY A LIST OF FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS
THAT WILL REDUCE THE FUND BALANCE FOR FY '24.
5:35:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCIL
MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
YES, MA'AM.
5:35:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ONE MORE.
THESE ARE TWO CLARIFYING MOTIONS THAT WERE MADE.
I MOVE TO HAVE THE NOVEMBER 21st IN-PERSON REPORT BY
REVENUE AND FINANCE INCLUDE A LOOK AT ALL REVENUE SOURCES
AND A GRAPHIC THAT SHOWS WHAT WENT UP AND WENT DOWN AND BY
HOW MUCH IN FY '24.
5:36:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION.
5:36:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS IS STILL ATTACHED TO THAT NOVEMBER 21.

THIS CLARIFIES THE LANGUAGE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
5:36:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SECOND.
5:36:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
ANYTHING ELSE?
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON?
5:36:17PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ON THE SEPTEMBER 26 WORKSHOP, WE HAVE A
DISCUSSION ABOUT THE INDIAN ROCKS BEACH REGULATIONS
PERTAINING TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
HUGE ISSUE IN TAMPA.
LEGAL INFORMED ME THAT THERE'S LITIGATION REGARDING THAT.
SO I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT ITEM TO THE APRIL 24 WORKSHOP.
5:36:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
5:36:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ALSO, LAST WEEK DURING NEW BUSINESS, A
MOTION WAS MADE DURING THE BUDGET HEARING, I GUESS THAT WAS
TUESDAY, AND A MOTION WAS MADE IN NEW BUSINESS ABOUT THE ART
SPACE.
I ABSTAINED TO AVOID THE APPEARANCE OF ANY POTENTIAL
CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION ON FURTHER

CONSULTATION WITH MARTY, I DON'T HAVE A CONFLICT OF
INTEREST.
IT IS A NONPROFIT BOARD.
I DON'T HAVE ANY BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP WITH IT AND I DON'T
PROFIT FROM IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE FORM 8 B.
5:37:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANYTHING ELSE?
CAN I GET A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE?
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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