TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, OCTOBER 3, 2024, 9:00 A.M.

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9:05:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
AT THIS TIME, IF WE COULD HAVE -- JUST A MOMENT.
BEFORE I PASS IT ON TO COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON FOR THE
INVOCATION, INTRODUCE KEITH -- PASTOR KEITH BUTLER IS HERE
TODAY.
WE ACTUALLY MET RECENTLY, SIR.
GOOD TO SEE YOU.
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, I'LL PASS IT ON TO YOU.
9:05:21AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
KEITH BUTLER, HE'S BEEN IN THE MINISTRY FOR OVER 20 YEARS
WITH 17 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AS PASTOR AT A BAPTIST CHURCH
LOCATED IN MIAMI.
HE IS NOW STARTING HIS 15th JOURNEY AT NEW SHILOH
MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH.
PLEASE WELCOME PASTOR KEITH.
9:05:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE STAND AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE
INVOCATION AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
PASTOR BUTLER, GO AHEAD, SIR.

9:05:56AM >> THANK YOU.
WE THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ALL OF US TO WAKE UP IN OUR BEDS,
DRY STREETS KNOWING THAT THERE ARE SOME WHO WERE NOT AS
FORTUNATE AS US.
GOD, I KNOW THAT HAD THIS STORM BEEN EVEN A MILE TO ONE
SIDE, THIS WOULD BE A DIFFERENT STORY.
BUT I'M CONVINCED NOW MORE THAN EVER BEFORE THAT YOU ARE A
HUGE FAN OF TAMPA, AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE SUCH A HUGE FAN OF
YOU.
WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD BLESS OUR CITY, BLESS ALL OF OUR CITY
MEMBERS, COUNCIL, MEN AND WOMEN.
WE THANK YOU FOR OUR MAYOR.
WE THANK YOU FOR HER PROFESSIONALISM AND HER INTELLECT.
GOD, MOST IMPORTANTLY, I PRAY FOR THOSE WHO MAKE ALL OF THEM
LOOK GOOD, INCLUDING OUR CHIEF OF POLICE AND CHIEF OF FIRE
AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, AND THAT'S THE STAFF WORKING FOR
THE MAYOR OF MIAMI-DADE COUNTY.
I KNOW WHO DO ALL THE WORK AND I KNOW WHO GETS ALL OF THE
GLORY.
SO I PRAY FOR THE STAFF FAMILY THAT YOU WOULD BLESS ALL OF
THEM AS THEY WORK DILIGENTLY TO MAKE ALL OF THE LEADERS LOOK
GOOD.
FINALLY, GOD, I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD ALLOW ALL OF US TO LEAVE
HERE BETTER THAN WE CAME, ALLOW US TO AGREE WITHOUT BEING
DISAGREEABLE.

AND GOD, LET US REMEMBER THAT YOUR WORDS SAID THAT THE
GREATEST AMONG US ARE THOSE THAT SERVE.
SO WE PRAY THAT WE WILL SERVE, IN JESUS NAME I PRAY, AMEN.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:07:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
9:08:03AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANTED TO SAY REAL FAST, THANK YOU, SIR,
I'VE HAD COMPLAINTS FROM CONSTITUENTS WHO ARE OF THE JEWISH
FACE THAT WE'RE MEETING ON ROSH HASHANAH.
I WANT TO PERSONALLY APOLOGIZE.
WE ALL LOOKED AT THE CALENDAR AND WE MISSED IT.
HUGE APOLOGIES.
SOME FOLKS WERE UPSET BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T PARTICIPATE.
EVERY YEAR WE USUALLY AVOID MAJOR HOLIDAYS AND WE JUST
MISSED IT THIS YEAR.
I PERSONALLY WOULD BE ONE THAT WOULD TAKE RESPONSIBLE FOR
IT.
WE'LL WORK HARD NOT TO DO IT AGAIN.
9:08:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I ABSOLUTELY AGREE.
COUNCIL MEMBER -- SORRY, IF WE COULD HAVE ROLL CALL.
9:08:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
9:08:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
9:08:43AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
9:08:44AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PRESENT.

9:08:46AM >> VIERA?
MIRANDA?
9:08:47AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
9:08:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
9:08:49AM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
9:08:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. SHELBY.
9:08:52AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS
OF CITY COUNCIL.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO TODAY'S MEETING.
I WILL BE BRIEF WITH REGARD TO THE RULES OF DECORUM, WE
WOULD ASK THAT YOU SUPPORT THE COUNCIL IN THE CONDUCT OF
CITY BUSINESS TODAY BY AVOIDING ANY DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR OR
NOISES OR COMMENTS, PERSONAL ATTACKS ON THE PUBLIC OR THE
COUNCIL OR THE CITY STAFF.
PLEASE NOTE THAT IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK DURING GENERAL
PUBLIC COMMENT, THERE ARE SPEAKER WAIVER CARDS -- EXCUSE ME,
SPEAKER CARDS OUT FRONT THAT WE ASK THAT YOU FILL OUT.
AND PLACE IN THE BOX.
ONE CARD PER SPEAKER.
CARDS ARE ACCEPTED UNTIL THE START OF GENERAL PUBLIC
COMMENT.
EACH PERSON SUBMITTING A CARD WILL BE RECOGNIZED BY NAME TO
APPROACH AND SPEAK.

A THREE-MINUTE TIME LIMIT APPLIES.
PLEASE PRINT LEGIBLY BECAUSE NAMES THAT CANNOT BE READ WILL
NOT BE CALLED.
IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK AT A PUBLIC HEARING, USE THE
SIGN-IN SHEET INSTEAD.
AGAIN, IF YOU NEED ASSISTANCE, PLEASE SEE CITY STAFF.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:09:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE MINUTES FROM THE SEPTEMBER
19, 2024 MEETING?
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
I ECHO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON SAID.
SHANA TOVAH TO THOSE THAT CELEBRATE, INCLUDING MY WIFE AND
MANY OF MY FRIENDS.
ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA AND THE ADDENDUM
TO THE AGENDA.
I'M GOING TO BEGIN AFTER WE DO THIS, I'M GOING TO BEGIN WITH
AN ADMINISTRATION UPDATE.
CHIEF BENNETT IS HERE.
THIS IS REGARDING THE STORM.
THIS WE'LL DO RIGHT AFTER THE WE APPROVE THE AGENDA.

I'LL ASK THE CHIEF HOW MUCH TIME HE NEEDS AND THEN WE'LL GO
TO COUNCIL MEMBERS.
ITEM NUMBER 1, THERE IS A REQUEST TO CONTINUE THIS TO A
FUTURE DATE.
I BELIEVE COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA IS GOING TO HAVE THAT DATE.
I'LL COME BACK TO THAT WHEN HE ARRIVES.
HE WILL BE ARRIVING MOMENTARILY.
HE'S IN TRAFFIC.
ITEM NUMBER 14, I HAVE A MEMO FROM MR. CARL BRODY THAT WE
WITHDRAW THIS ITEM.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO THAT IF HE CAN GET?
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
9:11:03AM >> AYE.
9:11:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
ITEM NUMBER 41, WE HAVE A MEMO FROM CHIEF BENNETT REQUESTING
THAT THIS ITEM BE PULLED FROM CONSENT AND BE HEARD UNDER
STAFF REPORTS.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ITEM NUMBER 70, I ASK THAT THIS BE MOVED UP AND BE HEARD AT
A TIME CERTAIN OF 11:45 A.M.

WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
ALL RIGHT.
I'LL GO THROUGH STAFF REPORTS, ADMINISTRATION UPDATE.
WE ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT.
WE'LL HAVE THAT AFTER WE APPROVE THE AGENDA.
ITEMS NUMBER 76, WE HAVE -- YES.
9:11:51AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
9:11:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ITEM 76.
$114 MILLION ITEM.
WOULD YOU LIKE STAFF PRESENT?
9:12:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEY HAVE A PowerPoint.
9:12:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES ON 76.
HOW ABOUT WITH 77?
THERE IS A MEMO TO CONTINUE THIS TO NOVEMBER 21st.
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ITEM NUMBER 77 HAS BEEN CONTINUED TO NOVEMBER 21st, 2024.
ITEM NUMBER 78.

9:12:23AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE STAFF HAS ASKED US TO CONTINUE.
I MOVE THAT WE CONTINUE IT TO -- THEY DIDN'T GIVE US A DATE.
WHAT DATE?
9:12:34AM >> NOVEMBER 3.
9:12:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NOVEMBER 3 UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
9:12:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SORRY.
NOVEMBER 7.
9:12:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MOVE TO CONTINUE TO NOVEMBER 7.
9:12:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
78 MOTION TO CONTINUE 78 TO NOVEMBER 7
UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
YES, SIR.
9:12:48AM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW, ANYBODY FROM
HARBOUR ISLAND WATCHING THE MEETING AND INTERESTED IN THE
HARBOUR ISLAND STREETLIGHT ISSUE, THIS THE ISSUE.
STAFF HAS ASKED US TO MOVE IT.
SO NOW MOVING TO NOVEMBER 7.
9:13:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
ITEM NUMBER 79, THERE IS A REQUEST TO CONTINUE TO DECEMBER
5th.
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
9:13:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
THIS IS MY MOTION.

I ACTUALLY ASKED FOR THEM TO PROVIDE A WRITTEN REPORT ON
OCTOBER 17 I BELIEVE.
YES.
OCTOBER 17, A WRITTEN REPORT.
9:13:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE ITEM 79 TO
OCTOBER 17.
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER -- AS A WRITTEN REPORT, FROM
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
ITEM NUMBER 80, WE HAVE --
9:13:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I TALKED TO MS. FEELEY.
SHE WOULD MUCH PREFER THAT WE -- SINCE THIS IS MONTHLY THAT
WE JUST MOVE IT TO THE NEXT MONTH.
SHE DID SAY THAT THE KICKOFF WAS AWESOME AND SHE JUST WANTED
TO THANK EVERYONE FOR THAT, BUT SHE'S --
9:13:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DO YOU HAVE A DATE TO CONTINUE?
9:13:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT'S EVERY MONTH SO IT GOES TO JUST THE NEXT.
WE'LL CANCEL THIS ONE, I SUPPOSE.
9:14:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?

AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
THIS IS REGARDING A VERBAL REPORT.
MR. VASKE WILL BE PRESENT FOR 81, SO THAT IS A YES.
ITEM NUMBER 82, COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
9:14:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
I SPOKE TO THEM ON THE STATUS OF GRAND CATHEDRAL, AND, NO,
THEY HAVE NOT FIXED ANY OF THE VIOLATIONS, BUT THEY ARE IN
PROGRESS.
I HAVE A LONGER MOTION THAT WILL COME FOR THIS, BUT I JUST
HAVEN'T HAD TIME THIS WEEK.
WE'VE BEEN FOCUSING ON RECOVERY.
SO THAT WILL COME LATER.
SO FOR RIGHT NOW, WE'RE JUST GOING TO TABLE THIS.
9:14:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
TABLE 82 BUT A MOTION UNDER NEW
BUSINESS.
9:14:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NEXT WEEK.
YEAH, RECEIVE AND FILE.
9:14:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE 82
FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
ITEM NUMBER 83, REQUEST TO CONTINUE TO DECEMBER 19.

WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
AND THEN THE WRITTEN STAFF REPORTS, ARE WE GOOD TO RECEIVE
AND FILE 84, 85, 86, AND 87?
CAN WE GET A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE 84, 85, 86?
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
AND A REQUEST TO CONTINUE 87 TO NOVEMBER 7, 2024 BY COUNCIL
MEMBER CARLSON, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
IN REGARDS TO THE ADMINISTRATION UPDATE, WE'LL STILL HAVE
IT, BUT THIS WILL BE WITH CFO DENNIS ROGERO.
HE'S NOT AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW.
WE'LL HAVE MORE LATER.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE STORM NOW.
9:15:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT ABOUT NUMBER 1?
9:15:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE IT HERE.
NUMBER 1, WE HAVE A REQUEST BY TPD IN CONJUNCTION WITH
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, HE'S AWARE OF THIS, TO CONTINUE ITEM 1

TO NOVEMBER 7.
CAN WE GET A MOTION?
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA IS HERE.
ALL RIGHT.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA AND THE ADDENDUM?
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
IS THERE STEVE SIMON HERE?
HE WAS RUNNING LATE IN TRAFFIC.
WE'LL HOLD ITEM NUMBER 2.
I'M SORRY.
WE'LL GO TO AN ADMINISTRATION UPDATE REGARDING THE STORM
NOW.
CHIEF BENNETT, YOU'RE HERE.
I SEE TPD IS HERE.
IF YOU WANT TO COME UP, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:16:46AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
GOOD MORNING.

JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
GOOD MORNING TO OUR PUBLIC.
AS CHIEF TRIPP AND I BELIEVE OUR EMERGENCY MANAGER COMES UP,
I JUST WANT TO SAY FROM EXPERIENCE, 39 YEARS AGO WITH SEVEN
MONTHS IN POLICE UNIFORM, I EVACUATED OVERNIGHT PALMETTO
BEACH AREA FOR HURRICANE ELENA, NEVER CAME ONTO THE STATE.
I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS IN NEARLY MY 40 YEARS OF
SERVICE OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
HOPEFULLY WE CAN GIVE YOU A BRIEF UPDATE AND THEN STAFF IS
HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON OUR CURRENT STATE OF
PREPAREDNESS.
OF COURSE, MITIGATION, RESPONSE AND RECOVERY.
CHIEF TRIPP.
9:17:28AM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
BARBARA TRIPP, FIRE CHIEF FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, I JUST WANT TO NOT ONLY THANK THE
COMMUNITY BUT ALL THE LEADERS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA WHO HAVE
BEEN WORKING PRIOR TO THE STORM COMING, WORKING OVERNIGHT
DURING THE STORM AND THE ONES WHO ARE CONTINUING TO WORK.
FOR ALL OF THE MEN AND WOMEN OUT THERE AND ALL DEPARTMENTS
WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA WORKING EXTREMELY HARD TO MAKE SURE
OUR COMMUNITY IS PUT BACK TOGETHER AND KNOW THAT WE LOVE
THEM AND DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO ASSIST THEM.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M GOING TO LET THE EMERGENCY MANAGER
DIRECTOR GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT TOOK PLACE.

JUST TO PUT A LOT OF PEOPLE AT EASE WITH A LOT OF THE THINGS
THAT'S GOING ON AS FAR AS THE CONVERSATION, THE CITY OF
TAMPA, OF COURSE, IS ALWAYS UNDER THE CHAPTER OF THE 252
WHICH WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE RULES WITH HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY.
WHEN THEY DECLARE SOMETHING, THAT'S WHEN WE PUT THINGS INTO
ORDER.
SO A LOT OF THE NEEDS AND THE REQUESTS THAT WE PUT IN OVER
THE LAST WEEK HAS BEEN COMING THROUGH THE COUNTY AS WELL AS
THE STATE.
SO JUST WANT TO THANK THE MAYOR FOR HER LEADERSHIP AND, OF
COURSE, HANGING OUT WITH US OVER AT THE EOC AND MAKING SURE
THE MEN AND WOMEN AS WELL AS THE WHOLE EXECUTIVE STAFF, THE
MAYOR'S EXECUTIVE STAFF WHO MADE SURE THAT OUR EMPLOYEES WAS
TAKEN CARE OF AND WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY.
WITH THAT SAID, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO JOHN ANTAPASIS TO
GIVE US INFORMATION ABOUT THE STORM AND WHAT WE'RE DOING TO
PREPARE.
9:19:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:19:02AM >> JOHN ANTAPASIS, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR WITH THE
CITY OF TAMPA.
GOOD MORNING COUNCIL, PUBLIC, ADMINISTRATION.
I'M HERE TODAY TO GIVE AN UPDATE OF WHAT TRANSPIRED WITH
HURRICANE HELENE OVER THE LAST WEEK, WHAT THE RESPONSE WAS

AND WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY CONTINUING TO DO TO SUPPORT THE
COMMUNITY THROUGHOUT THEIR RECOVERY.
OBVIOUSLY, THAT HAS BEEN THE WORST STORM SINCE 1921 FOR THE
CITY OF TAMPA.
THE TARPON SPRINGS HURRICANE THAT HIT US.
STORM SURGE OVER 7 FEET, UNPRECEDENTED SINCE THAT TIME IN
THE CITY OF TAMPA.
CONTINUING FEDERAL, STATE RESOURCES HAVE BEEN DEPLOYED
THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, BUT WE'LL GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF
WHAT'S BEEN TRANSPIRING.
I WANTED TO TALK QUICKLY ABOUT THE TIMELINE OF EVENTS.
AS CHIEF TRIPP STATED, WITH STATUTE 252, THERE ARE EMERGENCY
MANAGEMENT POWERS THAT ARE EMBEDDED WITH 67 COUNTIES IN THE
STATE OF FLORIDA.
LOCAL STATES OF EMERGENCY, EVACUATION ORDERS, THINGS OF THAT
NATURE THAT DO FALL ON HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
PLAY OUT THAT TIMELINE.
PROTECTIVE ACTIONS WE TOOK BEFORE THE STORM OCCURRED,
RESPONSE ACTIONS WE TOOK THAT NIGHT INTO THE MORNING TO SAVE
LIVES AND PROPERTY AND THEN OUR PRELIMINARY DAMAGE
ASSESSMENT AS WELL AS THE ONGOING RECOVERY EFFORTS THAT ARE
GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY CURRENTLY.
NEXT UP, I'LL GIVE US THE TIMELINE OF WHAT TRANSPIRED AT THE
CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, AND THEN THE STATE OF
FLORIDA.

ON SEPTEMBER 21st, WE IN OUR SHOP AS OFFICE OF EMERGENCY
MANAGEMENT, TAMPA FIRE RESCUE, WE'RE MONITORING TROPICAL
SYSTEMS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
WHEN JUNE 1st, NOVEMBER 30th HAPPENS, WE'RE MONITORING
THE SYSTEM.
WE'RE IN CLOSE CONTACT WITH THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE.
WE STARTED GETTING REPORTS OF THE TROPICAL DISTURBANCE
BEGINNING SEPTEMBER 21st.
SEPTEMBER 24, TROPICAL STORM HELENE DID DEVELOP.
THEN ON SEPTEMBER 24th, WE HAD ALSO TROPICAL STORM
WATCHES.
SEPTEMBER 25, STORM SURGE WARNINGS WERE ISSUED BY OUR
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE EXPECTING FIVE TO EIGHT FEET OF
STORM SURGE.
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY DID ISSUE THAT LEVEL A EVACUATION ORDER
AS WE WERE ALL IN A LOCAL STATE OF EMERGENCY AT THAT TIME.
SEPTEMBER 26 IT HAD DEVELOPED INTO A HURRICANE AND IT WAS
EXPECTED TO MOVE NORTH AND RAPIDLY INTENSIFY IN THE GULF OF
MEXICO.
AND IT WAS EXPECTED TO STAY ABOUT 140 MILES WEST OF THE CITY
OF TAMPA AS A LARGE, MAJOR HURRICANE.
IT DID MAKE LANDFALL AT APPROXIMATELY 11:10 P.M. NEAR PERRY
FLORIDA IN THE BIG BEND AREA.
SEPTEMBER 27, SIGNIFICANT SURGE IMPACTS BEGAN THROUGHOUT THE
COMMUNITY THAT NIGHT INTO THE EARLY MORNING.

LARGE-SCALE RESCUE RESPONSE EFFORTS WERE THROUGHOUT THAT
NIGHT AND MORNING TO SAVE LIVES AND PROTECT PROPERTY.
BEFORE THE STORM OCCURS, WE IMPLEMENT OUR EMERGENCY
MANAGEMENT PLANS AT THE CITY OF TAMPA AS WELL AS OUR
DEPARTMENT HURRICANE PLANS.
MULTIPLE WEATHER BRIEFINGS THAT I KNOW YOU ALL ARE INCLUDED
ON WERE DISTRIBUTED AS WELL AS OUR SITUATION REPORTS ON
THOSE PROTECTIVE ACTIONS.
THOSE DEPARTMENT PROTECTIVE ACTIONS WERE PUT IN PLACE,
INCLUDING THEIR CHECKLIST TO PROTECT OUR ASSETS AS WELL AS
OTHER RESPONSE EFFORTS BEFORE THE STORM.
WE ACTIVATED KNOW YOUR ROLE FOR EMERGENCY POSITIONS FOR OUR
EMERGENCY PERSONNEL TO WORK SUCH AS STAFFING, DEBRIS, AND
OTHER ITEMS SUCH AS THAT.
THE TAMPA FIRE RESCUE, TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, HURRICANE
OPERATIONAL PLANS WERE IMPLEMENTED AS WELL AS SANDBAGS
BEFORE THE STORM.
WE DISTRIBUTED 47,000 SANDBAGS BEFORE THE STORM TO THOSE
RESIDENTS.
AND WHEN THAT EVACUATION ORDER WAS MADE BY HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PHOTO, TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT
DOES DOOR-TO-DOOR ANNOUNCEMENTS TO ENSURE THOSE RESIDENTS
ARE NOTIFIED AS WELL AS OUR ALERT TAMPA NOTIFICATION SYSTEM
AND PUBLIC MESSAGING TO ENSURE OUR RESIDENTS KNOW TO
EVACUATE THOSE LEVEL A EVACUATION ZONES.

WE ALSO MOBILIZED OUR EMERGENCY STAFFING AND EQUIPMENT.
WE HAD TO STAFF MIDDLETON AS OUR EVACUATION SHELTER FOR THE
GENERAL PUBLIC AS WELL AS ERWIN TECH FOR A SPECIAL NEEDS
SHELTER.
AGAIN THAT EVACUATION LEVEL A ORDER WAS MANDATED BY
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
IN THOSE SHELTERS, WE HAD JUST OVER 1500 SHELTER CLIENTS
THAT RODE OUT THE STORM THERE AS WELL AS 54 PETS.
WE ALSO IMPLEMENTED OUR EMERGENCY FUEL PLAN, FEEDING PLAN,
ACTIVATED THE CITIZEN INFORMATION CENTER, AND DID A ROBUST
AMOUNT OF PUBLIC MESSAGING THROUGHOUT -- BEFORE THE STORM
AND THROUGHOUT IT.
THEN GOING INTO THURSDAY NIGHT, FRIDAY EARLY MORNING, AS THE
SURGE BEGAN TO RISE IN MANY AREAS IN OUR COMMUNITY,
HIGH-WATER RESCUES AND THE RESPONSE TOOK PLACE WITH TAMPA
POLICE DEPARTMENT, TAMPA FIRE RESCUE, FLOOD STREET RESPONSE
AND BARRICADES TO BLOCK OFF THOSE AREAS AS WELL AS GETTING
INDIVIDUALS OUT OF THE EVACUATION -- THE SURGE AREA THAT DID
NOT EVACUATE DURING THAT TIME.
WE ALSO HAD OUR EMERGENCY DRONE DEPLOYMENT TO GET INITIAL
ASSESSMENTS AT DAYLIGHT HOURS AND THEN DOWNED POWER LINE
MITIGATION AND RESTORATION OF OUR PUSH TEAMS GOING
THROUGHOUT THE CITY TO IDENTIFY THOSE DAMAGES THAT OCCURRED
AND QUICKLY IDENTIFY DOWNED POWER LINES TO TECO WHO IS
EMBEDDED WITH US AT THE EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER SO THEY

CAN SEND OUT THEIR TEAMS TO MITIGATE THAT.
WE COMPLETED OUR PRELIMINARY DAMAGE ASSESSMENT IN TWO DAYS.
IT WAS A LOT OF GREAT WORK DURING THE SEASON ON PREPAREDNESS
FOR THIS, AND IT ALL CAME TOGETHER WITH GREAT TECHNOLOGY
PACKAGES AND TRAINING WE DID BACK IN MAY.
BUT OVERALL, WE HAD 854 AFFECTED RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES,
OVER 1500 MINOR.
OVER 1900 MAJOR AND 34 DESTROYED RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS IN
THE CITY OF TAMPA THROUGH OUR ASSESSMENT.
WE ALSO HAD NUMEROUS PUBLIC BUILDINGS, PARKS,
INFRASTRUCTURE, ALSO DAMAGED FROM THIS STORM.
AGAIN, UNPRECEDENTED STORM SURGE, OVER SEVEN FEET IN SOME
AREAS THAT CAUSED A LOT OF THIS DAMAGE.
WE HAVE TO ROLL THESE NUMBERS UP TO HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AS
PART OF STATUTE 252 AND WE SENT THOSE ESTIMATES IN
YESTERDAY.
WE'RE LOOKING AT AN ESTIMATE OF $77 MILLION IN PUBLIC
DAMAGES CURRENTLY, WHICH WE'RE EXPECTING THAT TO GROW.
AND THEN ON THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DAMAGES THAT WERE
DOCUMENTED, WE'RE LOOKING AT OVER $500 MILLION IN PRIVATE
DAMAGE FROM THIS STORM.
ONGOING RECOVERY THAT'S CONTINUING ON.
MAJOR DEBRIS CLEANUP IS UNDERGOING IN THE HARDEST HIT AREAS.
DAVIS ISLANDS, PALMETTO BEACH, SOUTH OF GANDY, WESTSHORE
AREA.

OUR SOLID WASTE TEAMS ARE CONTINUING THROUGH THAT DEBRIS AND
GETTING THAT COLLECTION SET UP AT OUR CERTIFIED FEMA DEBRIS
SITES.
VERY LARGE AREAS OF DEBRIS PUT TO THOSE AREAS.
CONTINUING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE ASSESSMENT AND THE REPAIRS ARE
ONGOING FOR OUR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS IMPACTED.
AND FOR RELIEF EFFORTS, WE WERE ABLE TO GET WITH THE STATE
IMMEDIATELY POST-STORM TO GET THESE ASSETS INTO THE
COMMUNITY QUICKLY.
WE HAVE COMFORT STATIONS SET UP AT DE SOTO PARK AND MARJORIE
PARK OVER AT DAVIS ISLANDS AND PALMETTO BEACH.
THIS MORNING SOUTH OF GANDY WE WERE ABLE TO STAND UP AT THE
GANDY CIVIC CENTER.
ALSO, A COMFORT STATION TO GET THE SUPPLIES CLOSER TO THE
COMMUNITY DOWN IN SOUTH TAMPA.
ALSO, IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE STORM, WE HAD MASS FEEDING
OPERATIONS GOING ON WITH OUR PARTNERS AT SALVATION ARMY AND
AMERICAN RED CROSS, AT DAVIS ISLANDS, PALMETTO BEACH, PORT
TAMPA AND SOUTH OF GANDY IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE STORM.
AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, WE HAVE BEEN DECLARED FOR INDIVIDUAL
ASSISTANCE, WHICH IS DISASTER ASSISTANCE FOR HOMEOWNERS TO
GET THEM SOME FUNDING IMMEDIATELY AS WELL AS PUBLIC
ASSISTANCE TO GET REIMBURSEMENT FOR THOSE DAMAGES TO THE
CITY OF TAMPA AND THEN ON THE BUSINESS SIDE, THE SMALL
BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION DID DECLARE DISASTER ASSISTANCE AS

WELL FOR THOSE LOW INTEREST BRIDGE LOANS TO GET THEM BACK UP
AND RUNNING AS WELL.
JUST WANTED TO END WITH OBVIOUSLY AN INCREDIBLE RESPONSE
FROM ALL THE FIRST RESPONDERS THAT NIGHT.
EVERYONE IN THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER TO SUPPORT.
I JUST WANT TO ECHO, WE WERE LARGELY IMPACTED HERE, BUT THIS
IS A REGION-WIDE IMPACT.
PINELLAS COUNTY, PASCO COUNTY, WE'RE IN CLOSE CONTACT
THROUGHOUT THE REGION ON THE MAJOR IMPACTS THERE AS WELL AS
THE ENTIRE SOUTHEAST OF THE UNITED STATES GOING UP ALL THE
WAY GEORGIA, NORTH CAROLINA.
SO MANY OF THE FEDERAL AND STATE ASSETS HAVE BEEN STRETCHED
DURING THIS, BUT WE HAVE BEEN IN CLOSE COMMUNICATIONS
THROUGHOUT EVERY DAY WITH STATE, COUNTY, AND OUR REGIONAL
PARTNERS TO GET AS MUCH SUPPORT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND WE WILL BE THERE NONSTOP.
OUR TEAM HAS BEEN WORKING AROUND THE CLOCK TO GET WHATEVER
IS NEEDED OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
9:27:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:27:29AM >>CHIEF TRIPP:
AS JOHN STATED, THIS WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN AS
EFFECTIVE AS IT HAS BEEN WITHOUT OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS AND
EVERYONE ASSISTING.
SO WE JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYONE.
WE HAD ADDITIONAL STAFF ON DUTY THAT DAY.
WE ACTUALLY DEPLOYED OUR URBAN SEARCH AND RESCUE TEAM WHICH

IS TASK FORCE THREE THAT WAS DEPLOYED ALONG WITH
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY THAT WENT OVER AND HELPED OUR
NEIGHBORING COUNTY, WHICH WAS PINELLAS COUNTY.
9:27:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'LL OPEN UP TO COUNCIL MEMBERS, IF WE COULD SET THE
FIVE-MINUTE TIMER.
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, YOU ASKED TO BE RECOGNIZED.
9:28:02AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YEAH, I WAS IMPACTED, COMPARED TO A LOT OF
FOLKS IN TAMPA BAY TO A MINOR DEGREE BUT STILL IMPACTED BY
THE STORM SIGNIFICANTLY.
I JUST WANT TO SAY, THE YEAR AND A HALF THAT I'VE BEEN ON
COUNCIL NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE BEEN MOST IMPRESSED BY
IS THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE STAFF, THE EMPLOYEES OF THE
CITY OF TAMPA.
DAY IN AND DAY OUT THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, I CONSISTENTLY
SEE THE STAFF OF THE CITY STEP UP TO THE PLATE WHEN WE'VE
MET CHALLENGES.
I'M GETTING CHOKED UP BECAUSE OF ALL THIS.
HOW IMPRESSED I WAS AFTER THE STORM TO SEE SO MANY BOOTS ON
THE GROUND.
EVERYBODY RISING TO THE OCCASION.
PEOPLE DOING DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS AND THEIR NORMAL JOB
FUNCTIONS, STORM ASSESSMENTS, FROM THE VERY NEXT MORNING
COMING OUT, SEEING THEM ALL OVER THE CITY.
I THINK FROM OUR FIRST RESPONDERS TO OUR ATU EMPLOYEES,

WHICH WE'RE GOING TO RECOGNIZE ONE TODAY, TO EVERYBODY
THAT'S IN WASTEWATER AND FRESHWATER.
ACROSS EVERY BUSINESS LINE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
EVERYBODY REALLY STOOD UP AND MET THE CHALLENGE.
I'M REALLY APPRECIATIVE OF THE WORK THAT ALL OF OUR CITY
EMPLOYEES HAVE DONE FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
9:29:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
9:29:16AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I JUST WANT TO COMMEND YOU ALL FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE
DONE IN THE LIGHT OF THIS HURRICANE AND REALLY APPRECIATE
THE REPORT.
I WANT TO SAY ALSO KUDOS TO THE CITY OF TAMPA SANITATION
CREW.
I READ A POST ON SOCIAL MEDIA FROM A CITIZEN THAT JUST
REALLY TOUCHED ME.
HE SAID KUDOS TO THE -- KUDOS TO CITY OF TAMPA SANITATION
CREWS.
THESE HARD WORKERS HAVE CLEARED SO MANY TONS OF DEBRIS, MUCH
OF IT BY HAND OVER THE PAST FEW DAYS.
HOPE, INSPIRING WATCHING OUR HOMES AND STREETS INUNDATED
WITH SLUDGE WATER, FURNISHINGS, CABINETS, DRYWALL AND SO
MANY OTHER THINGS.
JUST WANTED TO CALL THEM WARRIORS THAT JUMPED IN TO CLEAN UP

SO QUICKLY IN LIGHT OF EVERYTHING EVEN POSSIBLY THINGS
HAPPENING IN THEIR OWN PERSONAL LIVES.
THANK YOU TO ALL CITY EMPLOYEES.
THE SETUPS AT DE SOTO, PALMETTO BEACH, JUST EVERYTHING THAT
WE DO REALLY IS THE STAFF AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
9:30:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYBODY ELSE?
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, COUNCIL
MEMBER VIERA.
9:30:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DO WANT TO ECHO THE THANKS TO THE STAFF.
YOU SEEM TO BE WORKING AROUND THE CLOCK.
I GREATLY APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE THE AREAS THAT ARE HARDEST
HIT ABSOLUTELY -- AND I JUST WANT TO ALSO MAKE SURE I
RECOGNIZE SOME OF THE AREAS THAT WERE HIT THAT WE HAVEN'T
TALKED ABOUT.
I LIVE UP NEAR THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER AND VERY CLOSE FRIENDS
LOST QUITE A BIT.
FOLKS ALONG THE RIVER AS WELL, WHATEVER WE CAN DO FOR FOLKS
UP IN THE NORTHERN PART, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT NO ONE IS
TALKING ABOUT THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER OVERFLOWING TOO.
NOT THAT YOU ALL AREN'T WORKING UP THERE, BUT JUST THEY
WOULD LIKE A LITTLE -- WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO FOR THE FOLKS WHO
WERE IMPACTED IN THAT AREA?
BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF LOW-LYING AREAS -- AS THE STORM
SURGE WENT, ONCE IT HIT THE DAM, IT HAD NOWHERE TO GO.

IT CAN'T KEEP GOING.
THEY HAD SERIOUS INUNDATION.
I WANT TO APPRECIATE STAFF, BUT I REALLY ALSO WANT TO TALK
ABOUT THE COMMUNITY.
FOLKS CAME OUT FOR THEIR NEIGHBORS, AND IT HAS BEEN JUST
OVERWHELMING THE OFFERS, THE HELP THAT WE'VE SEEN.
AND I'M SURE THAT YOU'RE SEEING THE VERY SAME THING.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH TO OUR COMMUNITY FOR
COMING TOGETHER AND SUPPORTING YOU AS WELL AS THE STAFF.
I KNOW ALSO THAT SOME OF IT HAS BEEN DIFFICULT BECAUSE
PEOPLE ARE TRAUMATIZED AND SO SOME OF THAT TRAUMA CAN COME
ON TO STAFF.
I KNOW THAT.
BUT I WANT TO APPRECIATE HOW WELL YOU ALL HAVE BEEN ABLE TO
LOOK PAST THAT AND JUST ABSOLUTELY HELP EVERY SINGLE PERSON.
I WANT TO SAY TO STAFF AS WELL, JUST TO TAKE CARE OF
YOURSELVES TOO.
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN KEEP GOING IS TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON OURSELVES AS WELL.
I, AGAIN, JUST WANT TO REITERATE HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE THE
SUPPORT.
THERE WILL BE MORE TIME TO TALK ABOUT WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO,
HOW ELSE WE CAN IMPROVE.
BUT FOR RIGHT NOW IN THE THICK OF THINGS, I JUST WANTED TO
SAY THANK YOU.

9:32:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
9:32:53AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
AGAIN, WHAT YOU HEARD BEFORE, I'LL REITERATE THE SAME THING.
YOU HAVE THE ATU THAT KEEPS TAMPA RUNNING.
YOU GUYS THAT KEEP TAMPA SAFE.
YOU HAVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY
IS AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON LIKE YOURSELVES.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, IN MY OPINION ANYWAY, IS SOMETHING
DIFFERENT.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN SO MANY STORMS FORM IN THE GULF OF MEXICO
AS THIS YEAR.
AND THEY START OUT AS A VERY LOW PRESSURE THING AND BECOME A
MAJOR HURRICANE.
THE ANSWER IS WHY?
ONLY ONE RESOLUTION AS TO WHY.
WE ARE TAKING NOT GOOD CARE OF THE ENVIRONMENT.
AND WE ARE CAUSING OUR OWN DEMISE.
THE WORLD.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA.
WE'VE BEEN VERY LUCKY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, AND YOU GUYS
HAVE ALL DONE, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AND ALL THE DIVISIONS
OF THE CITY, A FANTASTIC JOB IN MAKING SURE EVERYBODY WAS
SAFE AND ALSO IN THE CLEANUP AFTERWARDS.
HOWEVER, JUST THINK HOW LUCKY WE WERE THAT OUR NAME WAS NOT

ASHEVILLE, NORTH CAROLINA.
YOU SEE WHAT IT CAN DO TO DESTROY A COMPLETE CITY.
THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT KEEP US GOING AND WORKING HARD.
BUT UNLESS WE CHANGE AND START BUILDING DIFFERENTLY, AND I'M
NOT COMPARING OURSELVES TO ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD,
BUT WHEN YOU GO TO A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY EVEN IN THE
ISLANDS, THE OUTSKIRTS GET HAMMERED AND DON'T COME BACK AT
ALL.
THE HOUSES ARE BUILT WITH WHAT?
CEMENT AND REBAR.
THEY DO NOT LEAVE THE GROUND.
THEY DO NOT BURN VERY EASILY.
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT TO CHANGE.
I'M NOT SAYING IT SHOULD BE OVERNIGHT, BUT THIS WHOLE
COUNTRY HAS GOT TO START LOOKING AT THE ENVIRONMENT AND
MAKING SURE THAT IN THE FUTURE YOUR GREAT GRANDCHILDREN AND
YOUR FUTURE GENERATIONS OF EARTH ARE WELL TAKEN CARE OF.
WE HAVE NOT DONE A GOOD JOB.
YOU GUYS HAVE DONE THE GOOD JOB BUT IN GENERAL, WE AMERICANS
TAKE LIFE AND KEEP ON GOING.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME CHANGES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:34:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
9:34:51AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I ECHO THE SENTIMENTS.
IT'S HARD TO FIND WORDS WHEN WE GO OUT AND WE SPEAK TO
PEOPLE'S WHOSE LIVES HAVE BEEN DEVASTATED.
YOU KNOW THAT BETTER THAN I DO BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN ON THE
GROUND A BILLION TIMES MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
WHAT WORDS DO YOU SAY TO SOMEBODY WHO HAS JUST LOST
EVERYTHING?
WHEN YOU GO IN LIFE, YOU HAVE ALL SORTS OF RESPONSIBILITIES.
YOU'RE RAISING YOUR FAMILY, DOING YOUR JOB, PAYING YOUR
TAXES, ALL SORTS OF RESPONSIBILITIES AND THEN SOMETHING LIKE
THIS COMES.
AND YOU GO -- IT'S HARD TO EVEN FATHOM.
I ECHO THE WORDS THAT EVERYONE SAID, ALL OF OUR CITY
EMPLOYEES, SANITATION, POLICE, FIRE, EVERYBODY.
JUST AMAZING.
OUR JOB IS TO SUPPORT YOU ALL AND THE WORK YOU DO TO
ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
AGAIN, THIS IS A STORM OF THE CENTURY.
IT REALLY IS.
AND TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE ARE GOING THROUGH NOW, WHEN YOU GO
OUT THERE ON THE GROUND AND YOU SEE WHAT FOLKS ARE GOING
THROUGH, YOU TALK TO -- AND YOU TALK TO INSTITUTIONS THAT
ARE THERE TO HELP PEOPLE THINK ABOUT OUR TEACHERS, OUR
PUBLIC SCHOOL AND PRIVATE SCHOOLTEACHERS WHO ARE COMING BACK
TO WORK.

SOME OF THEM HAVE LOST EVERYTHING.
THEY ARE DEALING WITH CLASSROOMS, 20, 30 KIDS, MANY OF WHOSE
FAMILIES LOST EVERYTHING.
FAMILIES WHO TOOK BIG HITS BEFORE THIS AND LITERALLY WENT
THROUGH A HURRICANE WHERE THEY LOST SO MUCH.
THINK ABOUT OUR CHURCHES.
WE TALK TO CHURCHES, CHRIST OF KING, FRIENDS AT SOUTH TAMPA
FELLOWSHIP, WHO ARE DEALING ON THE GROUND WITH SOME OF THE
WORST THINGS.
I THINK OF A NICE GENTLEMAN THAT A LOT OF US WENT OUT TO
MEET WITH OUR OFFICES, TOM REYNOLDS, OVER AT PALMETTO BEACH
WHO GUIDED US THROUGH THAT COMMUNITY AND TO HAVE SOMEBODY
WHO JUST LOST EVERY MATERIAL POSSESSION THEY HAVE AND YOU
TRY TO GIVE THEM WORDS OF COMFORT, WHERE DO YOU GO FROM
THAT?
AND TO HAVE THEM REACH OUT TO YOU AND GO, LOOK, I'M NOT USED
TO ASKING FOR HELP.
THIS IS WHAT I NEED.
IT'S STUFF THAT WILL PROBABLY TAKE, I THINK, YEARS FOR
PEOPLE TO PROCESS THROUGH.
AND SOMETHING THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID IS VERY RIGHT,
WHICH IS TWO THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE CAN IMPROVE AS
A CITY ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS BECAUSE SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS
NOT NORMAL COURSE AND SCOPE OF THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN THE

CITY OF TAMPA.
SO, OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT HOW FUTURE
COUNCILS, FUTURE ADMINISTRATIONS, ET CETERA, CAN BUILD ON
THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE.
THE WORK THAT WE'RE SALUTING EVERYBODY FOR.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
WHAT WE AS COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN DO INDIVIDUALLY IN THE FUTURE
AND ALSO TO TALK ABOUT ALL AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN IMPACTED.
YOU GUYS ARE OUT THERE AT EVERY SINGLE AREA THAT'S BEEN
IMPACTED BUT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR FRIENDS IN THE MEDIA AND
OTHER PLACES TALK ABOUT ALL COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE BEEN
IMPACTED.
I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE AT PALMETTO BEACH, DAVIS ISLANDS,
WESTSHORE, ALL OVER, AND IT'S -- AGAIN, IT'S DEVASTATING.
YOU TRY TO HAVE WORDS FOR PEOPLE.
YOU TRY TO PRAY FOR THEM.
YOU TRY TO THINK ABOUT THEM.
YOU TRY TO GO OUT THERE AND ROLL UP YOUR SLEEVES AND WORK.
AND TO SEE THE INSTITUTIONS ON THE GROUND, GROUPS LIKE
FEEDING TAMPA BAY, OPERATION BARBEQUE RELIEF, DIFFERENT
CHURCHES, MOSQUES, SYNAGOGUES, HOUSES OF WORSHIP WHO ARE --
JUST YESTERDAY I WAS WITH A CHURCH AND THE PASTORS, THEY
LOST TONS OVER AT DAVIS ISLAND AND THEY ARE OUT THERE
HELPING PEOPLE.
BECAUSE THEY ARE CHRISTIANS AND THEY ARE GOOD PEOPLE.

AGAIN, YOU DON'T HAVE WORDS, BUT YOU TRY TO HAVE WORDS.
AGAIN THANK YOU GUYS, THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES.
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, STATE OF FLORIDA, EVERYWHERE, EVERYBODY
COMING TOGETHER TO HELP FOLKS OUT.
SO JUST FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART, THANK YOU GUYS.
9:38:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYBODY ELSE?
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
9:38:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, I WANT TO ECHO THANKS TO ALL THE
STAFF.
I KNOW FOLKS DIDN'T GET MUCH SLEEP IF ANY AND WORKED WITHOUT
SHOWERS AND OTHER THINGS WHILE THEIR OWN HOMES AND FAMILIES
WERE BEING AFFECTED.
THANKS TO THE FIRST RESPONDERS AND ALL THE OTHER FOLKS WHO
WORKED SO HARD.
I THINK WE AS A COMMUNITY CAN NEVER REALLY SAY THANK YOU
ENOUGH.
THANK YOU ALSO TO THE NEIGHBORS HELPING NEIGHBORS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES AMERICA GREAT IS THAT PEOPLE
VOLUNTEER FOR THINGS TO HELP EACH OTHER.
AND WE SAW THAT ON THAT MASSIVE SCALE HERE.
TAMPA IN THE LAST HUNDRED YEARS OR SO NEVER FACED ANY
RECOVERY EFFORT LIKE THIS.

WE SEE PICTURES AND VIDEOS OF OTHER CITIES THAT LIKE
NEW ORLEANS THAT GET HIT AND IT'S SURREAL DRIVING THROUGH
SOUTH TAMPA.
SOME RICH NEIGHBORHOODS, SOME POOR NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND THE DEVASTATION IS UNBELIEVABLE.
AND TO SEE ONE STREET THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM ANOTHER BY THE
LUCK OF WHERE THE WATER FLOWED.
I WAS ONE OF THE LUCKY ONES THAT IT DIDN'T FLOW MY WAY.
WE TRIED TO HELP OTHER FOLKS AS WELL.
AS MY COLLEAGUES SAID, THERE IS A LOT OF TIME TO TALK ABOUT
WHAT WE CAN DO DIFFERENTLY NEXT TIME.
ONE THING MY CONSTITUENTS ASKED IS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A
FIRE TRUCK ON DAVIS ISLAND.
WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT LATER.
I DON'T WANT TO OPEN UP THAT.
I STARTED GETTING PHONE CALLS AT 4:00 IN THE MORNING BECAUSE
THE ONE HOUSE THAT HAD THE TESLA IN IT CAUGHT ON FIRE.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT REGULATIONS LIKE -- HATE TO THROW THIS
OUT -- BUT DO WE MANDATE IF WE THINK THERE IS A STORM SURGE
THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO MOVE THEIR BATTERY-POWERED DEVICES OUT
OF THE GROUND LEVEL?
WE HAVE TO SERIOUSLY THINK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE EVEN IF PEOPLE
EVACUATED, IF YOU GET INUNDATED WITH SALTWATER AND BUILDINGS
CATCH ON FIRE BECAUSE OF A BATTERY OPERATED BICYCLE OR
MOTORCYCLE OR CAR, IN DAVIS ISLANDS, ONE VERY EXPENSIVE

HOUSE THAT BURNED DOWN BUT HAD A LOT OF EXPENSIVE HOUSES
AROUND IT.
THE OTHER THING THAT'S HAPPENING, EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE A
LOT OF VERY WEALTHY FAMILIES IN SOUTH TAMPA, THERE ARE A LOT
OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR GENERATIONS, ESPECIALLY
THE HISTORIC BLACK COMMUNITY THAT WAS FORMERLY LONGSHOREMEN
IN PORT TAMPA.
MANY OF THOSE FAMILIES HAVE HAD HOUSES FOR MULTIPLE
GENERATIONS.
BECAUSE THEY OWN THE HOUSES, THEY DON'T HAVE INSURANCE MANY
OF THEM.
BUT NOW WE'RE GOING TO LOSE A LOT OF THE HOUSING STOCK.
THE EASIEST THING TO DO IS SOMEONE WILL TEAR DOWN ONE OF THE
OLD HOUSES AND BUILD A NEW McMANSION.
THE MISSING MIDDLE IS IMPORTANT, DISPLACING SENIORS AND
OTHERS WHO WILL BE DISPLACED.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTIONS ARE ON THAT, BUT WE'VE GOT
TO REALLY PAY ATTENTION.
WHATEVER WE THINK OF HOUSING AND THE SHORTAGE, WE'VE GOT TO
MAKE SURE WE PROTECT THE MISSING MIDDLE THAT WE HAVE.
THANK YOU TO STAFF, ESPECIALLY CHIEF OF STAFF FOR WORKING
WITH THE NEIGHBORS IN PORT TAMPA AND BAY SIDE WEST AND
OTHERS WHO REALLY WANTED TO HAVE A COMFORT STATION NEAR BY.
STAFF SPENT HALF A DAY OR MORE YESTERDAY AND STARTED AT 7:00
THIS MORNING GOING TO THE GANDY CIVIC ASSOCIATION, PROVIDING

SERVICES.
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
THERE'S TRASH PICKUP ON A MASSIVE SCALE.
PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE FAMILY'S HOUSE GOODS MIGHT FILL UP A
WHOLE TRUCK AND THEN THE TRUCK HAS TO GO AND COME BACK.
LARRY WASHINGTON AND HIS TEAM WERE FANTASTIC.
THERE WERE NEIGHBORHOODS, LOWER INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS IN
SOUTH TAMPA THAT FELT LIKE THEY WERE NEGLECTED.
LARRY DEPLOYED PEOPLE IMMEDIATELY AND WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE
PICTURES AND TELL PEOPLE THEY ARE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY
ARE WORKING WITH YOU TOO.
WE HAVE EQUITY IN THE TRASH PICKUP.
HAD A BIG DIFFERENCE IN BOOSTING THE MORALE OF PEOPLE.
ONE OF THE THINGS I MENTIONED BEFORE AFTER HURRICANES, WE
HAVE TO THINK OF THE ROLE OF COUNCIL.
WE NEVER HAD A RECOVERY EFFORT LIKE THIS, BUT WE NEED TO
THINK ABOUT THE ROLE OF COUNCIL.
THANK YOU TO THE MAYOR FOR CALLING ME LAST NIGHT.
HAD A LONG CONVERSATION WITH HER ABOUT IT AND CHIEF OF STAFF
AND ANDREA.
AN EXAMPLE, 1-800 CALL CENTER THAT HAS PRESUMABLY A SCRIPT
THAT THEY CAN TELL PEOPLE WHAT TO DO, HOW TO GET THEM
RESOURCES.
WE SHOULD HAVE THAT SCRIPT WITH CITY COUNCIL AND OUR STAFF.
WE SHOULD PROBABLY BE TRAINED IN IT.

I'VE WORKED ON A LOT OF MAJOR, MAJOR RECOVERY EFFORTS IN
OTHER CITIES, AND THERE SHOULD BE A STANDARD TALKING POINTS
SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
FAQ.
IF WE'RE DEPLOYED ANSWERING QUESTIONS OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE
BEEN HURT IN THE COMMUNITY, WE SHOULDN'T JUST GIVE THEM AN
800 NUMBER, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS TO
THE EXTENT WE CAN.
ALL OF US HAVE BEEN OUT THERE SEEING THAT.
WE NEED TO WORK ON THE RECOVERY APPARATUS.
WE HAVE A WELL-OILED APPARATUS TO TALK ABOUT A HURRICANE
COMING AND TALK ABOUT CLEANING UP, BUT WHAT WE NEED IS A
RECOVERY APPARATUS.
WE ALSO NEED TO TALK ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY, RAISING THE LEVEL
OF HOMES, MAYBE PUTTING UP BARRIERS, OTHER THINGS.
AND I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE A WORKSHOP ABOUT THAT.
LAST TWO THINGS, ONE OF THE CITIZENS THAT I WAS HELPING, SHE
HAS A HUNDRED-YEAR-OLD HOME, AND SHE HAS A CHILD WITH
DISABILITIES.
SHE HAD A VERY EXPENSIVE EQUIPMENT FOR HER CHILD, ALL OF IT
WAS WIPED OUT.
THE CHILD CAN'T STAY ON THE GROUND FLOOR BECAUSE THE AREA IS
DAMAGED.
SHE HAS TO PHYSICALLY CARRY THE CHILD UP TO THE TOP FLOOR.
I WANT TO THANK RAQUEL FOR HELPING HER YESTERDAY.

9:43:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:43:53AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK WE NEED TO WORK ON ALL THE ISSUES
AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY.
9:43:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY.
EVERYBODY THAT'S BEEN MENTIONED THAT'S BEEN INVOLVED.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN THIS SINCE 1921, AS YOU MENTIONED.
AND IT'S BEEN OVER A CENTURY.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS OVER THE YEARS, WHEN IRMA CAME THROUGH
IN 2017, I THOUGHT THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE STORM BECAUSE OF
THE MAGNITUDE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T EXPECT THIS BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTEN SO
MANY CLOSE CALLS, IT'S BAYSHORE GETS WATER.
BUT NOT LIKE THIS.
WEST TAMPA AT THE RIVER, HOUSES ARE RUINED.
DAVIS ISLANDS, PORT TAMPA.
IT'S UNBELIEVABLE.
IT'S A WAR ZONE IN CERTAIN AREAS.
I LEFT THE HOUSE WHEN THE SUN CAME UP FRIDAY MORNING TO GO
OUT INTO THE AREAS THAT I COULD.
DAVIS ISLAND WASN'T OPEN YET.
BAYSHORE STILL HAD WATER.
GOING DOWN SOUTH WESTSHORE TO GANDY WE ENDED UP GOING THERE
LATER IN THE DAY.
DAVIS ISLAND WAS IN THE EVENING.

MY AIDE AND I WERE IN PALMETTO BEACH YESTERDAY.
GENTLEMAN, TOM REYNOLDS WHO WAS MENTIONED, HIS FAMILY BEEN
PALMETTO BEACH OVER A HUNDRED YEARS.
TWO MONTHS AGO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HIS FAMILY HISTORY
GOING BACK TO THE FOUNDING OF YBOR CITY.
WE HAD CALLS YESTERDAY FROM SOUTH OF GANDY.
MULTIPLE PEOPLE OVER THE DAYS.
CALLED THE MAYOR A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO TO DO SOMETHING SOUTH
OF GANDY.
MENTIONED THEY WERE OPENING UP AS OF 7 A.M. AT THE GANDY
CIVIC CENTER.
TALKED TO CHIEF OF STAFF.
CHIEF OF STAFF HAS BEEN PHENOMENAL IN KEEPING US UPDATED.
CONTINUOUS COMMUNICATION, NONSTOP.
I TRIED TO DO WHAT I COULD VIA SOCIAL MEDIA TO SHARE
INFORMATION.
IF IT WAS A PRIVATE ORGANIZATION LIKE LOWE'S SOUTH DALE
MABRY, THEY WERE HELPING.
AMERICAN RED CROSS, NUMBERS TO CALL, SOLID WASTE PICKUP,
WHAT THE CITY WAS DOING.
TRYING TO DO SOMETHING AGAIN BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BEAT MADAM
CHAIR.
WHEN YOU GET A CATEGORY 3, 4 HURRICANE AND YOU GET STORM
SURGE, IT'S TERRIFYING.
I SAW ONE VIDEO FROM A FRIEND OF OURS, AND IT WAS THE WATER

HAS REACHED THE FRONT OF MY PROPERTY.
THE WATER HAS REACHED THE FRONT OF MY STEPS.
THE WATER IS ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
THE LAST PHOTO WAS HER TAKING A PHOTO FROM THE STAIRCASE AND
THE WHOLE BOTTOM FLOOR IS FLOODED UP TO FOUR FEET.
THAT WAS JUST ONE HOUSE.
AND THERE ARE SO MANY.
THE HOUSE IN DAVIS ISLAND THAT WAS BURNED DOWN.
WE WENT BY THERE.
THE MERRY MAKERS CLUB IN DAVIS ISLAND, THE BUILDING HAS BEEN
THERE A HUNDRED YEARS.
WHEN I WAS THERE, THEY SAID WE'VE BEEN PUMPING FOR THREE
HOURS.
I HAVE VIDEOS.
THE WHOLE GROUND IS SATURATED.
AND THEN THE SADDEST THING IS EVERYBODY'S BELONGINGS ON THE
FRONT CURB.
EITHER MATTRESSES, SOFAS, CHILDREN'S TOYS, AND PEOPLE
LOOKING AND FEELING DEFEATED.
PEOPLE SITTING OUT THERE WITHOUT ELECTRICITY.
THIS IS FRIDAY.
AT DAYBREAK.
RICH PEOPLE, POOR PEOPLE, MIDDLE-CLASS PEOPLE.
I'VE TALKED TO SO MANY PEOPLE THAT WERE AFFECTED.
AND THIS WAS MINOR.

THIS WAS A MINOR STORM SURGE.
IT WAS AWFUL, BUT IT COULD BE A LOT WORSE.
AGAIN, WHEN WE WERE HIT IN 1921, DAVIS ISLANDS DIDN'T EXIST
LIKE IT DID TODAY.
IT WASN'T DEVELOPED.
PALMETTO BEACH WAS THERE.
PORT TAMPA CITY WAS THERE.
THE HOUSES ALONG THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER IN WEST TAMPA, THEY
DIDN'T EXIST YET.
NOW THERE IS THIS DEVELOPMENT.
NOT TO GET INTO OTHER THINGS, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF
DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES TO THIS COMMUNITY.
WE SEE HOW BUSY OUR CASES ARE WITH REZONING AND SO MANY
THINGS.
WE HAVE TO BE VERY MINDFUL AND VERY CAREFUL.
A WORD OF CAUTION TO DEVELOPERS.
WE ARE ALONG THE WATER.
LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED.
IT'S CATASTROPHIC DAMAGE.
I SAW A NUMBER OF HALF A BILLION DOLLARS IN DAMAGE.
AGAIN, AS WE MOVE FORWARD AS A CITY IN DEVELOPING, WE HAVE
TO BE VERY CAREFUL.
BECAUSE LOOK AT THE DAMAGE.
AGAIN, EVERYBODY.
EVERYBODY HAS BEEN AFFECTED.

IT'S NOT JUST THE RICH, THE POOR, IT'S YOU CAN'T -- WHEN THE
STORM SURGE COMES IN AND THERE'S NO LIGHT AND THERE'S NO
POWER AND YOU JUST HEAR THE RUSHING OF THE WATER, IT'S
TERRIFYING.
THE PEOPLE I'VE TALKED TO, YOU FEEL HELPLESS.
WHEN DOES THE WATER STOP AND WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?
AGAIN, THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY INVOLVED.
I KNOW YOU'RE EXHAUSTED BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN WORKING NONSTOP
AROUND THE CLOCK.
YOU AND THE TEAM AND ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS UPDATE.
THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT.
WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE ATU PRESENTATION AND THEN TO ITEM
NUMBER 3, MR. STEVE SIMON IS HERE.
GOOD MORNING, SIR.
9:48:50AM >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR.
BEFORE I START, I WANT TO ALSO MENTION AS WE TALKED ABOUT
THE JEWISH HOLIDAY, ALSO A COUPLE OF DAYS BEFORE WE MEET
AGAIN, OCTOBER 7, WE'LL HAVE COME A YEAR ANNIVERSARY SINCE
THE ATTACKS ON ISRAEL AND HOW DEEPLY I KNOW SO MANY FOLKS IN
OUR COMMUNITY WERE IMPACTED WITH THEIR LOVED ONES AND THAT
OVER A HUNDRED HOSTAGES ARE STILL BEING HELD IN GAZA AND HOW
MUCH I FEEL FOR THOSE FOLKS.
I THINK IT IS A TIME TO TALK ABOUT THAT DURING THIS PERIOD

OF THE HOLY DAYS THAT ARE COMING UP FOR OUR JEWISH
COMMUNITY.
THAT BEING SAID, I WANT TO SAY HELLO TO MY GOOD FRIEND,
STEVE SIMON, PRESIDENT OF ATU.
THE MAN WHO REPRESENTS THE FOLKS IN THE CITY THAT HAVE KEPT
THE CITY GOING AND HELPED WITH THE RECOVERY IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
DURING THIS TIME OF EMERGENCY AND NATURAL DISASTERS, THANK
YOU TO YOU AND ALL THE FOLKS THAT YOU REPRESENT FOR THE CITY
OF TAMPA.
WHAT AN IMPORTANT JOB THE FOLKS YOU WORK WITH DO FOR US.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
HE'S GOING TO INTRODUCE OUR EMPLOYEE THAT WE'RE RECOGNIZING
TODAY, NICOLE.
I'LL HAND IT OFF TO STEVEN TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
THANK YOU, SIR.
9:50:03AM >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN.
IF I COULD TAKE A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE, I WOULD LIKE
TO THANK THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR SENDING OUT AN E-MAIL
YESTERDAY NOTIFYING ATU MEMBERS THAT IF THEY'VE BEEN
IMPACTED BY HELENE, THEY NEED TO REACH OUT TO ME IMMEDIATELY
FOR ASSISTANCE.
SECONDLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY -- I LOST THAT THOUGHT.
I'LL COME BACK TO THAT.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

GOOD MORNING, CITY OF TAMPA.
I'M STEVE SIMON, THE PRESIDENT OF THE AMALGAMATED TRANSIT
UNION LOCAL 1464 AND WE KEEP THE CITY OF TAMPA RUNNING.
I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE THIS MORNING IN ORDER TO INTRODUCE TO
YOU THE ATU EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH, MS. NICOLE WILLIAMS.
[ APPLAUSE ]
MS. WILLIAMS IS THE ONLY PERSON -- LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN --
MS. WILLIAMS IS THE ONLY PERSON IN THE CITY WHO CARRIES THE
TITLE OF SUBROGATION SPECIALIST.
BUT SHE DOES THE JOB OF MANY.
YOU MAY ASK, WHAT DOES THE TITLE MEAN?
WELL, WHEN AN INJURY OCCURS TO A CITY STAFF PERSON OR WHEN
CITY PROPERTY IS DAMAGED BY A THIRD PARTY OR DESTROYED
THROUGH NO FAULT OF OUR OWN, MS. WILLIAMS WORKS TO RECOVER
ANY MONEY OWED TO THE CITY AND ANY MONEY SPENT DUE TO THE
DAMAGE OR INJURY.
SHE INVESTIGATES THE INCIDENT, COLLECTS INFORMATION, AND
WORKS TO MAKE SURE NO FUNDS ARE SPENT WHERE THEY SHOULD NOT
BE SPENT.
OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS, SHE HAS SINGLE-HANDEDLY RECLAIMED
NEARLY $4 MILLION ON THE CITY'S BEHALF.
AN UNSUNG HERO.
IT WOULD BE A BIT HIGHER, BUT 2020 WAS NOT AS ACTIVE.
THE FUNDS ARE PLACED BACK INTO THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND AND
USED AS PART OF THE OVERALL BUDGET.

SHE IS OUR HERO, AND SHE DOES IT WITH A SMILE AND QUIET
WISDOM.
SHE IS A MOM AND A GRAND MOM.
SHE HAS SERVED THE CITY AND CITIZENS OF TAMPA FOR 19 YEARS.
AND WE THANK YOU, NICOLE, FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION IN KEEPING
THE CITY OF TAMPA RUNNING.
AND ON BEHALF OF ATU LOCAL 1464, I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT YOU
WITH THIS AWARD.
[ APPLAUSE ]
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO READ A PART OF A LETTER FROM THE MAYOR.
CONGRATULATIONS ON BEING SELECTED AS THE AMALGAMATED TRANSIT
UNION'S EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH FOR YOUR PROFESSIONALISM,
STRONG WORK ETHICS, AND FOR GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND IN ALL
ASPECTS IN YOUR POSITION AS A SUBROGATION SPECIALIST.
FOR NEARLY A DECADE, YOU HAVE DEMONSTRATED THE ABILITY TO
NAVIGATE COMPLEX CASES BY RESEARCHING, ANALYZING, AND
COORDINATING RECOVERY EFFORTS TO ENSURE EFFECTIVE COST
MANAGEMENT OF SUBROGATION CLAIMS.
YOU HAVE RECLAIMED NEARLY $4 MILLION OVER THE PAST 5 YEARS,
AND THESE FUNDS ARE PLACED BACK INTO THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND
AND USED AS PART OF THE OVERALL BUDGET.
YOU ARE AN ASSET TO THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT AND THE
CITY OF TAMPA, AND YOU SET A SHINING EXAMPLE FOR OTHERS TO
FOLLOW.
IT IS EMPLOYEES LIKE YOU, NICOLE, THAT MAKE ME PROUD TO

SERVE AS MAYOR.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATION AND SERVICE.
SINCERELY, MAYOR JANE.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:54:00AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
KELLY AUSTIN, DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES AND TALENT
DEVELOPMENT.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE ATU FOR ALLOWING THESE EMPLOYEES
TO BE RECOGNIZED.
COUNCIL FOR INDULGING US AND GIVING US SOME TIME IN FRONT OF
THE PUBLIC AND THANK YOU TO THE PUBLIC FOR CELEBRATING WITH
US.
NICOLE IS -- I'LL LET VALERIE SPEAK VERY BRIEFLY, BUT
QUICKLY -- NICOLE IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT IF YOU CAN BUILD
A CITY OF TAMPA EMPLOYEE, THIS IS THE PLAYBOOK IN WHICH YOU
SHOULD BUILD IT FROM.
SHE COMES TO WORK EVERY DAY.
SHE COMES -- SHE COMES TO SERVE THE CITIZENS BY RECOUPING
THESE DOLLARS, YOU HEAR WHAT COMES BACK INTO THE GENERAL
FUND.
THESE ARE FIRE TRUCKS THAT WE CAN PURCHASE, POLICE CARS WE
CAN PURCHASE.
THESE ARE PARKS WE CAN IMPROVE.
SHE DOES THAT EVERY SINGLE DAY ONE PERSON JUST IN THE LAST
FISCAL YEAR ALONE COLLECTED OVER A MILLION DOLLARS ON BEHALF

OF THE CITY.
WHEN VALERIE CAME INTO THE CITY, WHEN SHE AND I STARTED
WORKING TOGETHER, WE RECOGNIZE THIS IS AN UNDERUTILIZED
PERSON.
THROUGH VALERIE'S TENACIOUS INPUT, WE ELEVATED NICOLE'S
POSITION.
IT'S REALLY TAKEN OFF FROM THERE.
BUT NICOLE WOULD DO THIS POSITION REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE
TITLE WAS.
I ONLY SEE NICOLE IN THE HALL WHEN WE PASS EACH OTHER ON THE
WAY TO THE LADY'S ROOM BECAUSE HER HEAD IS DOWN AND WORKING
ALL THE TIME.
SHE SERVES THE CITY WELL AND WE ARE BLESSED TO HAVE HER.
I THANK EVERYONE FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE
SOMEONE IN HUMAN RESOURCES BECAUSE WE TEND TO NOT WANT TO BE
RECOGNIZED.
WE LIKE TO BE BEHIND THE SCENES BUT WE DO SERVE THOSE OUT IN
THE FRONT LINES AND THE WAY WE DO IT IS REALLY, REALLY
MONUMENTAL.
9:55:37AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
VALERIE, RISK MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WHEN NICOLE WAS NOTIFIED THAT SHE HAD BEEN SELECTED, SHE
WALKED IN MY OFFICE AND SAID, WHAT DID YOU DO?
[ LAUGHTER ]
AND I JUST TOLD HER I AM SO PROUD OF HER.

EVERY SINGLE DAY SHE WALKS INTO OUR OFFICE AND SHE GOES TO
HER DESK AND SHE DEFINITELY KEEPS HER HEAD DOWN.
SHE IS A MOM AND A GRAND MOM AND YOU SEE HER SISTER, HER TWO
CHILDREN AND HER GRANDSON BEHIND US.
SHE WILL COME IN EVERY NOW AND THEN AND BRING A VIDEO OF HER
GRANDSON.
I SAW THE ONE WHERE HE KEPT LOCKING THE DOOR ON THE FIRST
DAY OF SCHOOL BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT TO GET OUT OF THE CAR.
BUT SHE LOVES THEM.
SHE LOVES WHAT SHE DOES.
AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THIS UNSUNG HERO WAS BROUGHT
UP FRONT JUST FOR A LITTLE WHILE SO THAT EVERYONE
UNDERSTANDS WHAT SHE DOES EVERY DAY ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF
TAMPA AND ITS CITIZENS.
NICOLE, WE'RE PROUD OF YOU.
9:56:36AM >> THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:56:43AM >> NICOLE, I'LL HAVE TO BE DEALING WITH INSURANCE COMPANIES
FOR THE NEXT -- I DON'T KNOW -- I THINK I NEED SOMEBODY OF
YOUR TENACITY TO REPRESENT ME TO RECOVER SOME MONEY FOR
MYSELF.
IT'S GREAT TO HAVE SOMEBODY LIKE YOU TO COME UP AND BE ABLE
TO RECOGNIZE ON BEHALF OF THE FOLKS THAT WORK WITH THE TAMPA
CITY COUNCIL, WE'D LIKE TO PRESENT YOU WITH THE TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL COMMENDATION PRESENTED TO ATU EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH,

NICOLE WILLIAMS.
CONGRATULATIONS.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:57:13AM >> I'LL LET YOU SPEAK AFTER THESE FOLKS.
WE HAVE SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WOULD LIKE TO
RECOGNIZE YOU AS WELL.
9:57:27AM >> MARY DILLON.
I REPRESENT THE STRAZ CENTER FOR THE PERFORMING ARTS.
ON BEHALF OF THE STRAZ, I WANT TO PRESENT YOU WITH TWO
TICKETS TO BROADWAY SHOW COMING UP.
PLEASE ENJOY YOURSELF.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:57:40AM >> THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:57:48AM >> GOOD MORNING, MS. WILLIAMS.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
GOOD MORNING, MR. SIMON.
GRACE GONZALEZ HERE ON BEHALF OF THE GONZMART FAMILY AND
1905 FAMILY OF RESTAURANTS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR COMMITMENT TO OUR CITY OF TAMPA.
WE WANT TO PRESENT WITH YOU A GIFT CARD TO ENJOY AT ANY OF
OUR RESTAURANTS, THE COLOMBIA IN YBOR, ULELE, COLOMBIA CAFE
NOW HAS GOODIE GOODIE RECIPES.
PLEASE ENJOY YOURSELF.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.

9:58:11AM >> THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:58:14AM >> GOOD MORNING.
JILL WITECKI ON BEHALF OF TAMPA THEATRE.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING US CELEBRATE YOU TODAY, AND WE HOPE
YOU AND YOUR FAMILY WILL COME SEE US AT THE THEATER WITH AN
ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP.
9:58:26AM >> THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:58:38AM >> OSBORNE, REPRESENTATIVE OF THE FLORIDA ORCHESTRA.
CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU SO MUCH OF YOUR SERVICE.
WE WANTED TO OFFER YOU, TO YOU AND A GUEST TICKETS TO A
PERFORMANCE FOR THIS SEASON.
AND YOU CAN CHOOSE.
AND WE JUST THANK YOU AGAIN SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU.
9:58:58AM >> THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:59:05AM >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
MS. NICOLE, I'M HERE WITH THE TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS.
ON BEHALF OF MR. FORD.
BRIAN FORD, GLAZER FAMILY, ENTIRE BUCS ORGANIZATION, WE
THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS.
WE PRESENT WITH YOU A FOOTBALL.
[ APPLAUSE ]

9:59:34AM >> YOU DON'T GET TO HOLD ON TO THOSE VERY LONG.
YOU BETTER HOLD ON TO THESE, THOUGH.
STEVE MICHELINI HERE ON BEHALF OF A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT
FOLKS WHO WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE YOU.
ONE IS CICCIO RESTAURANT GROUP.
GIFT CERTIFICATE TO ENJOY YOURSELF BREAKFAST, LUNCH OR
DINNER.
ON BEHALF OF JACKSON'S BISTRO ON HARBORS ISLAND, GOOD THAT
IT WAS ELEVATED.
THE GARAGE HAD WATER, BUT NOT THE RESTAURANT.
WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE WITH YOU A GIFT CERTIFICATE.
ENJOY YOURSELF FOR LUNCH OR DINNER.
ON BEHALF OF THE YUMMY HOUSE CHINA BISTRO, HIGH AND DRY UP
ON NORTH DALE MABRY, PROVIDING YOU WITH A GIFT CERTIFICATE.
ENJOY YOURSELF THERE FOR LUNCH OR DINNER.
ON BEHALF OF MEAT MARKET OLD HYDE PARK VILLAGE, ENJOY
YOURSELF, LUNCH OR DINNER.
CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:00:27AM >> THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
I DO WANT TO REACH OUT AND SAY CITY EMPLOYEES ARE THE
BACKBONE OF THE CITY, AND WE CONGRATULATE AND THANK YOU FOR
ALL OF YOUR SERVICE.
10:00:43AM >> THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]

NOW IT'S YOUR TURN TO SHINE.
10:00:50AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO START.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK KELLY AUSTIN, HR AND TALENT
DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, VALERIE HORTON, THE RISK MANAGER,
MARCUS CHARLES, THE SUPERVISOR, AND MY COWORKERS FOR
RECOGNIZING ME FOR THE EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH.
WORDS CANNOT EXPRESS HOW THANKFUL I AM.
I HOPE TO CONTINUE TO PROVE MYSELF AS AN HONORABLE EMPLOYEE
TO THIS DEPARTMENT.
THANK YOU FOR ALL THE SUPPORT AND GUIDANCE YOU HAVE
PROVIDED.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS FOR ATTENDING
THIS SPECIAL OCCASION.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
10:01:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
CONGRATULATIONS.
AND THANK YOU TO YOUR FAMILY AND CLEARLY YOU ARE VERY LOVED
BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH YOU HERE TODAY THAT
THEY REALIZE AND THEY KNOW HOW SPECIAL YOU ARE AND HOW
VALUABLE YOU ARE TO THE CITY.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.
THIS IS WELL DESERVED.
CONGRATULATIONS.

10:01:58AM >> THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
10:02:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NEXT WE'LL GO TO ITEM NUMBER 3, WHICH IS
VIRTUAL.
MR. DARRELL BUTLER.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:02:22AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE MR. DARRELL BUTLER.
THERE YOU ARE.
I'LL LET HIM BEGIN.
IT IS OUR FACILITATOR FOR THE RACIAL RECONCILIATION
COMMITTEE WHICH HAS GONE LIVE AND IS ONLINE AND LOOKING
FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU.
GO AHEAD, SIR.
10:02:38AM >> CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME?
10:02:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.
GOOD MORNING.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:02:42AM >> I'M GOING TO GET MY SLIDES UP AS SOON AS I REMEMBER HOW
TO DO THAT.
HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
I HAVE FORGOTTEN HOW TO GET MY SLIDES UP HERE.
VERY SORRY.
ARE YOU ABLE TO HELP ME HERE?
ALL RIGHT.
WELL --

COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, IF YOU WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS WHILE I
DO THIS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
10:03:58AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'LL FILL IN THE TIME, SO TO SPEAK.
THANK YOU, SIR.
WE'VE WORKED TOGETHER THROUGH A NUMBER OF MEETINGS ON THIS
AND THIS IS FOR OUR RACIAL RECONCILIATION COMMITTEE.
I WOULD DIRECT EVERYBODY TO THE WEBSITE WHICH IS -- COUNCIL
ALREADY HAS THESE SLIDES, BY THE WAY.
YEAH, IF YOU CAN'T -- SOMETIMES TECHNOLOGY DOESN'T WORK WITH
US, BUT THERE IS THE RACIAL RECONCILIATION WEBSITE AT THE
CITY OF TAMPA WHICH DEALS WITH THE MEMBERS WHO ARE GOING TO
BE THERE, THE COMMITTEE PROCESS, THE WORKSHOP SESSIONS
ALREADY WITH THE DATES WHICH ARE GOING TO RUN FROM OCTOBER
22nd, WHICH WILL BE THE FIRST ONE, ALL THE WAY TO FEBRUARY
18 WHEN THERE'S GOING TO BE A PUBLIC FORUM INPUT AND WAYS
WHICH WE CAN STAY ENGAGED.
IF COUNCIL IS FINE, IF YOU CAN'T GET THE SLIDES UP, WE CAN
PROVIDE THEM LATER.
THE COUNCIL HAS THEM PRINTED OUT.
UNLESS COUNCIL HAS ANY OBJECTION, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
10:05:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IF YOU JUST WANT TO GO AHEAD.
10:05:04AM >> YEAH, I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THE CONVERSATION THEN.
IT IS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA'S VISION TO BE A DIVERSE AND
INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY.
WHERE PEOPLE WILL UNITE TO FIND A CARING, EMPATHETIC

SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITY IN WHICH EVERY PERSON IS VALUED, CITY
CONFRONTS THE HISTORY, LEGACY OF RACIAL INJUSTICE AND
INEQUALITY.
THAT'S NOT JUST A CITY OF TAMPA SITUATION.
IT'S MORE SO IN MANY COMMUNITIES.
SO THE CITY OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL RECENTLY CREATED A RACIAL
RECONCILIATION COMMITTEE TO REVIEW STUDY AND MAKE
RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY OF TAMPA
WITH RESPECT TO FIVE DESIGNATED AREAS.
THOSE FIVE DESIGNATED AREAS ARE AFFORDABLE AND ACCESSIBLE
HOUSING, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND EMPOWERMENT AND
ENTREPRENEURSHIP, OPPORTUNITY FOR YOUTH, IGNORED HISTORY AND
RETURNING CITIZENS AND RESTORATION OF RIGHTS.
WITH THESE FIVE AREAS, THE CITY COUNCIL IS IN CONSENSUS THAT
THIS COMMITTEE THAT WAS FORMED SHALL SERVE AS THE CATALYST
FOR GREATER CITIZEN PARTICIPATION AND THE DETERMINATION OF
RACIAL HARMONY, RACIAL EQUALITY, AND MATTERS OF JUSTICE AND
INCLUSION FOR ALL WITHIN THE CITY.
I'LL ADD TO THAT, AS I WAS LISTENING TO THE IMPACT THAT YOU
ALL HAD -- I'M UP IN ORLANDO.
I WAS LISTENING TO THE IMPACT THAT YOU ALL HAD FROM THE
HURRICANE, AND I UNDERSTAND IN THESE MOMENTS, PEOPLE COME
TOGETHER AND OVERCOME WHAT WE REFER TO IN MY BUSINESS AS
ADVERSE ATTENTION TO FOCUS ON WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE
MOMENT.

THAT IS A WONDERFUL THING.
WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THIS VISION IS TO NOT WAIT FOR
MOMENTS OF EMERGENCY AND TRAUMA FOR US TO COME TOGETHER IN
THAT CAPACITY.
WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT ON ANY GIVEN DAY AS WE MANAGE
THROUGH AND WORK THROUGH WHAT WE CALL TENSION OR CHALLENGES
FROM RACE RELATIONS, FROM DIVERSITY, FROM DIFFERENCES IN
GENERAL.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I THINK ABOUT WHEN -- THE CREATION OF
THE RACIAL RECONCILIATION COMMITTEE IS THAT KIND OF OVERALL
VISION OF COMING TOGETHER IN ANY GIVEN DAY SO THAT WE ARE
SHOWING UP THE BEST FOR EACH OTHER WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
GIVEN THAT, A TEAM HAS BEEN CREATED WITH THE FLORIDA
INSTITUTE OF GOVERNMENT AT THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA.
THEY ARE THE PROJECT MANAGER OF THIS TEAM.
THE TEAM ALSO INCLUDES MYSELF, DARRELL BUTLER, AS THE
WORKSHOP FACILITATOR WHERE WE WILL HAVE OVER THE NEXT FEW
MONTHS A NUMBER OF WORKSHOPS TO ANALYZE THE SITUATION, TO
IDENTIFY POTENTIAL -- IDENTIFY ANY GAPS, AND TO COME UP WITH
STRATEGIES TO CLOSE THOSE GAPS WITHIN THOSE FIVE AREAS.
ALONG WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO RECORD ALL OF THE
INFORMATION.
WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE INFORMATION THROUGH THE COLLABORATIVE
LABS AS A PROCESS MANAGER FOR USE OF REAL-TIME RECORD
RECORDING AND THE NUMBER OF TECHNOLOGIES THAT THEY USE SO

THAT WE'RE CAPTURING IN REAL-TIME THE WORK OF THE COMMITTEE,
THE WORK OF THE WORKSHOPS AND WITHIN THESE SIX COMMITTEE
WORKSHOPS AIMED TO CREATE THE STRATEGIES FOR CLOSING THE KEY
GAPS WITHIN THESE AREAS.
THIS COLLABORATIVE EFFORT, MYSELF, A LITTLE BIT OF
BACKGROUND ABOUT ME, I'VE BEEN IN THE DIVERSITY, EQUITY, AND
INCLUSION, REFER TO AS DIVERSITY EMPOWERMENT -- MY DEI, A
SPACE FOR ABOUT 25 YEARS TOTAL, 23 OF THOSE YEARS I HAD MY
OWN BUSINESS, HELPING ORGANIZATIONS, HELPING COMMUNITIES,
HELPING MANY ACROSS THE WORLD, IN FACT, TO CREATE THESE
ENVIRONMENTS OF INCLUSION WHERE PEOPLE COME TOGETHER, DO
BETTER, WORK TOGETHER WHATEVER ENTITY OR STRUCTURE THAT THEY
ARE OPERATING IN.
I APPRECIATE THE FLORIDA INSTITUTE OF GOVERNMENT COMING IN,
HEY, DARRELL, CAN YOU HELP US OUT TO FACILITATE THESE
WORKSHOPS.
FACILITATING WHAT WILL ALREADY BE THERE, WHICH IS THE TALENT
OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS IDENTIFIED.
13 COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED TO HELP US FIND
SOLUTIONS, RESOLUTION FOR BUILDING THE RECONCILIATION AROUND
RACE RELATIONS.
WITH THAT, THE COMMITTEE SCHEDULE YOU SEE HERE.
BEGINNING OCTOBER 22 WILL BE OUR FIRST WORKSHOP.
WE'LL DO A SITUATIONAL ANALYSIS AROUND THESE FIVE AREAS, AND
THEN MOVING OFF FROM THERE, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, JANUARY --

NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, JANUARY, I SHOULD SAY, WILL BE THE
WORKSHOPS THEMSELVES WHERE WE WILL TACKLE TWO OF THOSE AREAS
WITHIN EACH OF THOSE WORKSHOPS.
THAT'S A LITTLE BIT TIGHT.
WE'RE WORKING WITH THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO
US, SO THOSE THREE MEETINGS NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, JANUARY WILL
FOCUS ON TWO WORKSHOP AREAS WITH TWO POLICY AREAS WITHIN
EACH OF THE WORKSHOPS.
AND THEN ON FEBRUARY 18, WE WILL HAVE THE PUBLIC INPUT
FORUM.
THE PUBLIC IS INVITED, OF COURSE, TO ALL OF THE WORKSHOPS,
TO ALL OF THESE MEETINGS.
WE ALSO HAVE DESIGNATED ONE PARTICULAR MEETING FOR THE
PUBLIC INPUT SO THAT BEFORE WE COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS AND
RECOMMENDATIONS, WE WILL WANT TO INCLUDE THE PUBLIC INPUT TO
ADD TO THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE WORKED ON THROUGH THE
THREE WORKSHOP MEETINGS IN NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER AND
JANUARY.
THESE MEETINGS WILL BE HELD AT THE CITY CENTER AT HANNA
AVENUE LOCATED AT 2555 EAST HANNA AVENUE.
YOU CAN ALSO FIND AGAIN ALL THIS INFORMATION ON THE WEBSITE.
SPEAKING OF THE WEBSITE, THIS IS THE WEBSITE HERE THAT
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA JUST MENTIONED.
THERE IS A LONG ONE THERE.
YOU CAN FIND IT ON THE CITY COUNCIL WEBSITE AS WELL.

SO WAYS FOR THE PUBLIC TO STAY ENGAGED.
AGAIN, COME TO THE WORKSHOP SESSIONS AND LISTEN AND OBSERVE
ON THOSE OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER AND JANUARY MEETINGS.
PUBLIC FORUM, FEBRUARY 18.
AND SEND YOUR COMMENTS AT ANY POINT IN TIME.
WE HAVE A DESIGNATED E-MAIL ADDRESS TO RECEIVE COMMENTS AT
RRC@TAMPAGOV.NET.
WE WANT THE PUBLIC TO BE ENGAGED.
WE WANT ALL MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE TO ABSOLUTELY COMMIT TO
THIS PROCESS.
AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA ON
THIS PROCESS.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR TRUSTING IN ME TO HELP TO FACILITATE YOU
ALL TO SOME IDEAS FOR RESOLUTION.
10:12:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:12:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING TODAY AND
TALKING.
AS SOMEONE WHO SAT ON THE CITY'S CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION,
WE HAD A FACILITATOR, AND IT WAS THE BEST THING WE DID TO
HELP US FOCUS ON THE ISSUES AT HAND.
AS YOU MENTIONED, SOME OF THE TOPICS, I THINK THIS IS A VERY
GOOD TIME TO DO THIS AS WE LOOK AT HOW HURRICANE HELENE IS
GOING TO CHANGE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING LANDSCAPE IN THE CITY

OF TAMPA.
THIS IS A VERY CRITICAL TIME TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
MY ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO ASK COUNCILMAN VIERA OR STAFF,
I AM CONCERNED THAT THERE'S ONLY THREE MEETINGS.
IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN EXTEND TO ALLOW ONE WORKSHOP FOR
EACH TOPIC?
I AM HAPPY TO EXTEND FUNDING.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE ESPECIALLY NOW WITH THE HURRICANE, WE
HAVE A LOT MORE.
MORE TRAUMA HAS BEEN OPENED UP FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.
I REALLY DO BELIEVE ANYTHING POSSIBLE TO EXTEND WOULD BE
SOMETHING I WOULD WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT.
10:13:36AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I APPRECIATE THAT.
THESE MEETINGS ARE WITHIN THE BUDGET THAT WE WERE GIVEN.
I WOULD SUPPORT ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR MORE MEETINGS.
THE PROBLEM IS NOW GOING TO COME WITH THE SCHEDULING.
WE CAN WORK IN THAT INTO NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, JANUARY,
ET CETERA.
I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.
IT'S JUST UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE WORKING WITH THE FUNDS THAT WE
HAVE.
I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO MENTION
THAT, THAT'S A CONCERN.
I'D LOVE TO SEE TWO ADDITIONAL MEETINGS AT THE VERY LEAST.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

JUST TO MAKE IT WORK.
YEAH, I AM SUPPORTIVE.
10:14:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, SINCE YOU ARE
SPEARHEADING THIS, IF YOU COME TO US WITH A NUMBER.
10:14:17AM >>LUIS VIERA:
SURE, ABSOLUTELY.
10:14:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MAYBE DATES TO EXTEND THIS.
THEY'LL AT LEAST BE ABLE TO GET STARTED.
I BELIEVE IN THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS.
WE CANNOT -- WE CANNOT SHORTCHANGE.
QUITE HONEST, FIVE MEETINGS IS NOT ENOUGH BUT A PLACE TO
BEGIN.
I JUST BELIEVE THAT WITH THESE GIGANTIC TOPICS THAT
AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND ACCESSIBLE HOUSING IS HOURS LONG ON
ITS OWN.
WHEN YOU WANT TO COMBINE IT WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,
EMPOWERMENT AND ENTREPRENEURSHIP, YOU CAN'T.
10:14:49AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I DON'T DISAGREE.
10:14:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
I WILL SUPPORT YOU.
I WILL SECOND YOU, AND I BELIEVE THAT YOU'LL HAVE SUPPORT
FROM THE REST OF US.
THE ONLY OTHER THING I'M GOING TO ASK BEFORE I PASS IT ON,
HE SPOKE ABOUT A WEBSITE.
AND IT IS NOT ON OUR SHEET.
SO IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, LIKE, IF YOU CAN'T READ IT OUT,

JUST WHERE CAN WE GO TO FIND THE WEBSITE?
10:15:16AM >>LUIS VIERA:
IT IS LONG.
WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL HAVE BRANDON E-MAIL THAT OUT TO COUNCIL
MEMBERS AND STAFF.
IT JUST WENT UP THIS MORNING.
10:15:25AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GREAT.
THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD SAY MAYBE DURING NEW BUSINESS,
PLOP IT ON THE ELMO SO FOLKS CAN SEE IT.
SOMETIMES VISUALS HELP.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. BUTLER, FOR JOINING US TODAY.
10:15:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
10:15:39AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU, MR. BUTLER, FOR TAKING THIS ON,
ESPECIALLY REMOTELY.
IT'S ALWAYS GREAT TO HAVE PEOPLE WITH EXPERIENCE WORKING ON
THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THANK YOU ALSO TO -- I THINK YOU CAME VIA USF AND MAYBE
ANGELA CHRIS AND HER TEAM.
IF THAT'S TRUE, THANK YOU.
THEY FIND EXCELLENT CONSULTANTS INCLUDING THE ONE THAT
WORKED WITH US ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
I'M IN FAVOR OF MORE MEETINGS AS WELL.
ONLY THING I WOULD SUGGEST, SINCE YOU MENTIONED THE TRAUMA
OF THE EVENT THAT JUST HAPPENED, I WONDER IF STAFF COULD
LOOK TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY FEDERAL FUNDING WE COULD GET ON

AN EMERGENCY BASIS TO HELP PAY FOR IT.
IT MIGHT BE MORE THAN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SPEND OURSELVES IF
MR. BUTLER HAS TIME.
THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION, MR. BUTLER, SURE MY
COLLEAGUES HAVE MENTIONED THIS TO YOU BEFORE, BUT TWO
RESOLUTIONS THAT CREATED THIS COMMITTEE.
ONE WAS THE ORIGINAL ONE AND THEN ADAPTED ONE.
YOU WILL HEAR IN PUBLIC COMMENT, THERE ARE SOME FOLKS WHO
WANT US TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ONE.
I'M SURE YOU WILL BE, BUT TO LET YOU KNOW, DIRECTLY YOU'RE
GETTING INSTRUCTIONS FROM THE NEW RESOLUTION, BUT IT WOULD
BE HELPFUL BECAUSE OF THE FOLKS THAT WILL BE REPRESENTED
THERE IF YOU ALSO COVER SOME OF THE THINGS IN THE OLD
RESOLUTION.
THE LAST THING IS THAT YOU WILL FIND EVEN IN A GROUP THAT
MAY BE SOMEWHAT HOMOGENEOUS, THERE ARE DIFFERENT IDEAS.
PEOPLE HAVE VERY DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS.
I WONDER WHAT YOUR CONSENSUS BUILDING PROCESS IS AND HOW YOU
MIGHT TRY TO BUILD CONSENSUS AT THE END KNOWING THAT PEOPLE
MAY START WITH VERY DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON HOW TO APPROACH
THIS.
10:17:24AM >> GREAT QUESTION.
THE BEAUTY OF THE WORK THAT I'VE DONE FOR THE LAST TWO
DECADES PLUS IS BRINGING DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS AND
PERSPECTIVES TOGETHER TO COME TO SOME KIND OF A CONSENSUS

TOWARDS A COMMON GOOD VISION AND A COMMON GOAL.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN'T MEET EVERYONE'S NEEDS.
I MANAGED AN ORGANIZATION, 8500 EMPLOYEES WHERE I HAD A
RESPONSIBILITY OF WHAT I CALL KEEPING EVERYONE HAPPY, WHICH
WAS NEAR IMPOSSIBLE.
AS THE DIRECTOR OF WORK ENVIRONMENT.
AND WITH THAT, WE FOUND WHAT IS THE MAIN OBJECT THAT
EVERYONE CAN KIND OF LIVE WITH IN OUR APPROACH TO MEET THIS
SUBJECT.
THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I GO WHEN I TALK ABOUT CONSENSUS.
10:18:16AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
10:18:20AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
THANK YOU, AGAIN, SIR, FOR YOUR WORK.
I WANTED TO ASK MR. SHELBY, COUNCILMAN CARLSON BROUGHT UP
THE RESOLUTIONS BECAUSE -- HOW SHALL I SAY IT?
WE'VE DEALT WITH THIS BEFORE.
WE ALL VOTED ON THIS COUNCIL WITHOUT DISSENT, MAKE SURE NO
DIFFERENT THEORIES OF WHAT'S HAPPENED.
MR. SHELBY, WE PASSED RESOLUTION 568 BACK IN 2020, CORRECT?
10:18:46AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
10:18:48AM >>LUIS VIERA:
TO EFFECTUATE AND TURN 568 INTO A COMMITTEE
THAT NECESSITATED THE CREATION OF A NEW RESOLUTION, CORRECT?
10:18:54AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION FROM 2020 DID NOT CONTEMPLATE THE
CREATION BY CITY COUNCIL OF A COMMITTEE.

10:19:02AM >>LUIS VIERA:
OKAY.
THEREFORE, IN ORDER TO CREATE A RESOLUTION BASED ON THE IDEA
THAT WAS ORIGINATED IN 568, WE HAD TO DO A NEW RESOLUTION,
CORRECT?
10:19:09AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT'S CORRECT.
10:19:10AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO ESTABLISH.
AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT NUMEROUS TIMES, WE VOTED ON THE NEW
RESOLUTION A NUMBER OF TIMES WITHOUT ANY DISCUSSION.
I WAS THE ONE WHO BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
THE COMMUNITY HAD BEEN ASKING US TO DO THIS FOR SOME TIME.
I WAS ASKED ON A SHOW WFLA, I BELIEVE IT WAS.
I SAID I WOULD BE GLAD TO DO IT.
KIND OF A FUNNY QUESTION, WELL, I WOULD BE GLAD TO DO IT AND
ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
I WANTED TO NOTE THAT BECAUSE AGAIN, THE ORIGINAL
RESOLUTIONS DID NOT CREATE THIS COMMITTEE.
WE HAD TO PASS A NEW RESOLUTION WHICH PASSED CITY COUNCIL
7-0, WHICH WENT THROUGH NUMEROUS TIMES WITHOUT ANY DISSENT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE THE NEW RESOLUTION IN NO WAY
GETS RID OF THE OLD RESOLUTION.
THEY ACTUALLY WORK TOGETHER.
THE SECOND ONE WAS NECESSITATED IN ORDER TO GIVE LIFE TO THE
ASPIRATIONS OF THE FIRST ONE, BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE FOR EVERYTHING WE VOTED
ON.

THANK YOU, SIR.
10:20:12AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ALSO FOLLOW UP THERE WAS A REFERENCE TO THE
RESOLUTION THAT ULTIMATELY MADE THE APPOINTMENTS WAS ALSO
PASSED BY CITY COUNCIL WHERE IT MADE REFERENCE TO RESOLUTION
2024-568.
10:20:26AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
YOU HAVE THE MAGNA CARTA, THE ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION, AND
THE CONSTITUTION.
THEY ARE RELATED.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE NOT SEPARATED IN ANY WAY, WITH
CONTROVERSY.
10:20:49AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN SHARE WHAT I FOUND ON THE CITY
COUNCIL'S WEB PAGE.
CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
THERE WAS A QUESTION REGARDING THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE
RACIAL RECONCILIATION COMMITTEE.
COUNCILMAN VIERA DID SAY THAT HIS OFFICE HAS BEEN WORKING
WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AND STAFF TO BE ABLE TO CREATE THAT
PAGE.
THAT IS AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
IF YOU GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL'S WEB PAGE AT TAMPA.GOV/CITY
COUNCIL, THERE WILL BE A COLUMN ON THE LEFT THAT SAYS, QUICK
LINKS, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, AND AS YOU SCROLL DOWN, IT DOES
SAY CITY OF TAMPA RACIAL RECONCILIATION COMMITTEE.
IF YOU DO CLICK ON THAT, IT DOES TAKE YOU RIGHT TO THAT

PAGE.
10:21:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYTHING ELSE?
10:21:35AM >>LUIS VIERA:
NO.
AND IF I MAY, AGAIN, I DID WANT TO THANK AGAIN MR. BUTLER
AND EVERYBODY THAT'S WORKING WITH YOU.
WE MENTIONED MRS. ANGELA CRIST AND OTHERS.
MR. SHELBY, WHO ALSO PUT IN A LOT OF TIME.
MY OFFICE, BRANDON, AMONG MANY, MANY OTHERS.
I WILL, BY THE WAY, I HAVE TO LEAVE HERE.
MY SON, LONG STORY SHORT, HAS A PLAY.
HAVE TO HELP OUT WITH STUFF.
AT ABOUT 4:00, IF I HAVE TO LEAVE EARLY BEFORE MOTION TIME,
I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION.
I'M THINKING THERE IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WILL
GET IT DONE.
I'LL MAKE SURE DURING BREAK TIME.
10:22:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AGAIN, SIR, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
WE APPRECIATE IT AND FOR THE INFORMATION AND ALL THE
COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE MEETING.
IN REGARDS TO RESOLUTION 568, WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK MY
APPOINTEE, MY FRIEND, WHO IS ON THIS BOARD, THAT REGARDLESS
OF THAT RESOLUTION OR THIS RESOLUTION, EVERYTHING THAT'S
BEEN BROUGHT UP FROM 568 TO THIS NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED NOT
JUST, THERE'S DIFFERENT POCKETS -- TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING.

568 CANCELED OUT WITH THIS ONE, I WANT EVERYTHING TO BE
DISCUSSED BECAUSE THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS.
YOU SAID SOMETHING I WISH I MENTIONED EARLIER WHEN
DISCUSSING THE HURRICANE.
SAID SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES
TRAGEDY OR A BIG EVENT TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER.
I THINK WE IN GENERAL AS MANKIND, WE'RE AN EMBARRASSMENT
BECAUSE WE SPEND SO MUCH TIME FIGHTING EACH OTHER.
IT IS ALWAYS A TRAGEDY.
IF IT'S NOT A WAR, NOT A HURRICANE, NATURAL DISASTER, WE
BRING OURSELVES TOGETHER.
WE SHOULD ALWAYS BE TREATING EACH OTHER WITH MUTUAL RESPECT
AND WE SHOULD ALWAYS BE TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER AND AVOID
CONFLICT IN GENERAL.
I'LL READ A QUOTE FROM KIPLING.
WE'RE ALL ISLANDS SHOUTING LIES TO EACH OTHER ACROSS SEAS OF
MISUNDERSTANDING.
IT IS FROM THE LIGHT THAT FAILED WHICH IS LIKE FROM 1907.
IT IS AN INTERESTING QUOTE BECAUSE WE SPEND SO MUCH TIME IN
CONFLICT INSTEAD OF LOOKING FOR RESOLUTIONS.
I HOPE THAT WITH THIS COMMITTEE, WITH THIS BOARD, BECAUSE
EACH AND EVERY PERSON THAT'S ON THAT BOARD I KNOW MOST OF
THEM, MANY OF THEM PERSONALLY, THEY ARE WONDERFUL PEOPLE.
THEY EACH HAVE A DIFFERENT, AS ROBIN LOCKETT LIKES TO SAY, A

LENS, LOOKING AT THE COMMUNITY FROM A DIFFERENT LENS.
AND I THINK BRINGING ALL THESE INDIVIDUALS TOGETHER, THIS
TEAM TOGETHER, I HOPE AND I BELIEVE THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO
BRING POSITIVE CHANGE.
I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE HERE.
I'M GLAD THAT THIS COMMITTEE IS MEETING MULTIPLE TIMES AND
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXPANDING THAT AND DISCUSSING IT,
INCREASING FUNDING.
I WANT ALL THESE TOPICS TO BE DISCUSSED.
I WANT RESOLUTION 568 TO BE BROUGHT UP.
WHY?
BECAUSE I WAS HERE TO VOTE FOR IT AS MANY OTHERS IN 2020,
WHY?
BECAUSE I SIGNED THAT RESOLUTION, BUT THERE'S SO MUCH TO
DISCUSS, SO MUCH TO TALK ABOUT AND SO MUCH TO DO MOVING
FORWARD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:24:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
10:24:38AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
I WANT TO AGAIN BE CLEAR ON THAT ISSUE, MR. CHAIRMAN, WHICH
IS 568 IN THE RESOLUTION AND THE RESOLUTION THAT CREATED THE
COMMITTEE, THEY ARE ALL INTERTWINED.
WE VOTED ON THIS NUMEROUS TIMES IN TERMS OF THE TOPICS,
ET CETERA.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT IS BEING LEFT OUT, RIGHT.

I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THERE TO BE ANY
MISSTATEMENTS OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
THEY ARE ALL INTERTWINED AND WE'VE WORKED VERY, VERY HARD TO
MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS BROUGHT TO THE TABLE.
I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I
HEARD THAT.
10:25:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, ITEM 4.
10:25:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS IS TIMELY WITH THE PASS OF HELENE,
BUT WE SCHEDULED THIS PRESENTATION BECAUSE THE DEADLINE FOR
SMALL BUSINESSES TO FILE WITH THE SBA DISASTER LOAN PROGRAM
APPROACHES ON OCTOBER 9.
I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE SBA, SMALL
BUSINESS ASSOCIATION, RICK MORALES, TO HIGHLIGHT THIS
IMPORTANT PROGRAM AND THE BENEFITS THAT IT HAS FOR THE SMALL
BUSINESS OWNERS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
MR. MORALES.
YOU HAVE TO STATE YOUR NAME EVEN THOUGH I JUST SAID IT.
10:25:50AM >> FOR THE RECORD, RICK MORALE LESS, PUBLIC INFORMATION
OFFICER WITH THE SBA.
THE DEPARTMENT SPECIFICALLY OF DISASTER ASSISTANCE.
FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND TIME.
IT'S NOT OUR FIRST RODEO.
I HAVE TO SAY FLORIDA FOR ME, I HAVE BEEN IN MOST OF THE
STATES OF THE EAST.

FLORIDA IS ALWAYS THE MOST PREPARED AND VERY ORGANIZED.
I WAS HERE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO IN TALLAHASSEE FOR A
SMALLER DECLARATION IN LEON COUNTY.
THIS ONE WE KNOW IS A VERY SERIOUS ONE BUT, OF COURSE, WE
DON'T WANT THE CONSTITUENTS TO BE DISCOURAGED.
FOR EXAMPLE, OUR PROGRAMS, FEDERAL AGENCY, ALWAYS THE PEOPLE
FIND WAYS TO USE FUNDS.
WE ARE HERE TODAY TO GIVE EXAMPLES TO ILLUSTRATE HOW THE
CONSTITUENTS CAN USE OUR FUNDS, PROGRAMS.
WE HAVE FUNDS FOR PHYSICAL DAMAGE, ECONOMIC DAMAGES, AND FOR
PROPERTY DAMAGES.
THAT MEANS THAT THE HOMEOWNERS, RENTERS, NONPROFITS AND
BUSINESSES CAN USE THESE FUNDS.
IF THEY HAVE DAMAGES WITHIN THE INCIDENT PERIOD, OF COURSE,
RIGHT NOW THE INCIDENT PERIOD IS OPEN.
IT'S FROM THE DAMAGES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FROM SEPTEMBER 23.
USUALLY WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN THE INCIDENT PERIOD WILL BE
CLOSED WITHIN ONE WEEK, TWO WEEKS.
WE NEVER KNOW, CLOSE IN THE INCIDENT PERIOD.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE -- TAMPA DIDN'T RECEIVE LIKE A LOT OF
DAMAGES FROM DEBBY, BUT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY HAD A LOT OF
DAMAGES.
SO THE DEADLINE TO APPLY FOR PHYSICAL DAMAGES FOR DEBBY IS
OCTOBER 9.
I KNOW A LOT OF CITIES, WE ARE A MELTING POT.

THAT IS VERY VALUABLE INFORMATION.
IF THE PEOPLE WITH DAMAGES OF DEBBY DIDN'T APPLY, THEY CAN
GO NOW AND APPLY WITH HELENE, BECAUSE THOSE DAMAGES WERE
FROM DEBBY.
IF THEY HAVE DAMAGES WITH DEBBY --
IF THEY HAD DAMAGES WITH HELENE, THEY CAN APPLY FOR THAT
TOO.
DEBBY AND ONE WITH HELENE, MULTIPLE LOANS APPROVED.
VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW BECAUSE THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME
THAT WE HAVE SEEN MULTIPLE DECLARATIONS AT THE SAME TIME.
THAT'S NOT OFTEN, BUT, YEAH, THAT HAPPENS A LOT.
RIGHT NOW, WE ARE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO VISIT THE DISASTER
RECOVERY CENTERS.
THOSE ARE FROM FEMA, BUT WE WERE THERE, TOO.
WE HAVE CUSTOMER SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE FROM SBA.
MY TWO CENTS, THAT IS THE BEST ONE.
GOOD ALTERNATIVE, SBA.GOV/DISASTER.
PROVIDING ALSO MATERIAL.
PARTNERSHIP, COLLEAGUE TIMOTHY.
ON THE PAPER WE HAVE QR CODES SO THAT PEOPLE CAN USE THE QR
CODE TO APPLY.
WHEN YOU GO TO A DRC, WHEN YOU VISIT A DRC, YOU CAN APPLY
WITH BOTH FEDERAL AGENCIES.
SAME DAY, SAME BUILDING, NO DUPLICATION OF BENEFITS.
THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT WHEN YOU VISIT A DRC YOU

CAN DO THAT.
WE HAVE BRC, BUSINESS RECOVERY CENTERS.
THOSE ARE FROM SBA.
IF YOU GO THERE, YOU CAN APPLY WITH THE SBA.
THAT IS THE MAIN DIFFERENCE.
ALSO, I WILL BE SENDING -- SHARE WITH YOU ALL THE ADDRESSES,
CENTERS TIME, BRC AND DRCs IN ALL THE COUNTIES IN THE
SOUTH FLORIDA.
THAT'S VERY VALUABLE AND HELPFUL TOO.
I'LL MENTION SOME WAYS ON HOW THE PEOPLE USE THESE FUNDS
EVEN THOUGH WE ARE NOT GRANTS.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU ARE DENIED BY SBA SPECIFICALLY
HOMEOWNERS OR RENTERS WITH THIS ONE, WE MIGHT REFER THEM TO
FEMA SO FEMA MIGHT, LET ME SAY MIGHT BECAUSE WE NEVER KNOW.
THEY MIGHT GIVE THEM OLDER DISASTER ASSISTANCE LIKE GRANTS.
AT LEAST THEY HAVE HOPE TO RECEIVE SOMETHING JUST BY
APPLYING WITH US.
A GOOD OPTION.
LET'S SAY FEMA DENIES YOU, FEMA APPROVED FUNDS ARE NOT
ENOUGH OR YOU RECEIVE THE CHECK FROM FEMA BUT IT TOOK A LOT
OF TIME TO RECEIVE THAT CHECK.
THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES, WITH ALL THE RESOURCES, SAME WITH
SBA.
RECOMMEND ALSO IN TIMES OF DISASTER, APPLY WITH EVERYTHING.
BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT PART YOU'LL GET THE MONEY

FASTER.
I LIKE WHAT THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ESPECIALLY SAID, HE
MENTIONED A LOT OF RESOURCES, RED CROSS, UNITED WAY.
THEY HAVE A LOT OF GOOD RESOURCES.
I WANT TO MENTION ALSO THE 800 NUMBER.
I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE TIME.
IF YOU CAN GIVE ME A LITTLE MORE TIME TO EXPLAIN MORE
BENEFITS.
10:31:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO GIVE HIM THREE MORE MINUTES?
10:31:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION AND SECOND.
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
GO AHEAD.
10:31:29AM >> 800 NUMBER THAT IS CUSTOMER SERVICE CENTER NUMBER.
10:31:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CAN YOU PUT IT ON THE OVERHEAD?
10:31:42AM >> PERFECT.
SO DIFFERENT IN COMPARISON WITH THE OTHER STATES.
BELIEVE ME.
THE PEOPLE THAT HAD INSURANCE, YOU KNOW THAT CAN TAKE A LOT
OF TIME TOO.
WAITING FOR THE PAYMENT.
INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR THE PAYMENT OR SETTLEMENT, THEY CAN
APPLY FOR US AND MIGHT GET THE MONEY FASTER.

THAT IS THE ONLY WAY THAT THE PEOPLE USE THIS.
MITIGATION LETTER IS IMPORTANT, SAYS WHY YOU ARE BEING
DENIED.
WHEN YOU GO AND VISIT OTHER RESOURCES LIKE NONPROFIT, OTHER
FEDERAL AGENCIES LIKE THE USDA, THEY CAN TELL YOU HOW YOU
ARE GOING TO USE OTHER TYPES OF RESOURCES.
THEY CAN'T SEND YOU AND RECOMMEND YOU HOW TO GO TO DIFFERENT
PLACES BETTER BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN PROACTIVE.
THAT IS ANOTHER WAY OF DOING THINGS.
THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TOO.
ALSO IN COMPARISON WITH NORMAL FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS, OUR
INTEREST RATES ARE FIXED.
OUR COLLATERAL IS UP TO 25,000.
SO THAT MEANS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT NOTHING IN
GUARANTEE.
THAT'S USEFUL TOO.
OUR LIMITS ARE UP TO 2 MILLION FOR PHYSICAL AND ECONOMICAL
DAMAGES.
I DON'T WANT TO TAKE ANY MORE TIME.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WOULD BE GREAT TO ANSWER THEM.
10:33:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY QUESTIONS?
NO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:33:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD SAY IF THEY COULD SHOW IT ONE MORE

TIME.
TIM, IF YOU COULD BLOW UP -- YEAH, JUST SO THAT FOLKS COULD
SEE THE PHONE NUMBER AND THE QR CODE.
THE QR CODE, WEBSITE AND PHONE NUMBER.
THE WEBSITE IS SBA.GOV/DISASTER.
PHONE NUMBER, 1-800-659-2955.
10:34:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SBA PROVIDES LOW-INTEREST LOANS FOR FIXED
RATES.
IF SOMEONE IS LOOKING FOR A GRANT THAT WOULD BE FEMA.
10:34:07AM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
10:34:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
APPRECIATE YOU COMING HERE.
THANK YOU.
VERY TIMELY.
10:34:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
MR. SHELBY, REGARDING 67 AND 68.
10:34:24AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU LOOK AT THE AGENDA, EXCUSE ME JUST A
MINUTE.
10:34:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE TO TAKE 67 AND 68 BEFORE GENERAL
PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:34:39AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WELL, THE WAY IT STANDS IS THIS, PAGE 15 OF
THE AGENDA, THE 10:30 PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE ITEMS 67 AND 68.
WE JUST FINISHED UP THE ITEM, ITEM 4.
HERE WE ARE, IT IS NOW 10:35.
ALTHOUGH IT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA, DIDN'T MAKE IT ON THE

AGENDA, I WILL POINT OUT THAT THE MOTION WAS MADE THAT THE
PUBLIC HEARINGS REGARDING THIS ITEM, THE PINEWOOD
DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, BE CONTINUED TO OCTOBER 3 -- READING
FROM THE MINUTES, 2024 AT A TIME CERTAIN OF 10:30 A.M.
COUNCIL HAS A DECISION TO MAKE.
GRANTED, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S PUBLIC WAITING TO MAKE A
COMMENT.
THESE ARE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
BUT IT WAS COUNCIL'S DETERMINATION TO SET THIS FOR A TIME
CERTAIN.
10:35:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WOULD COUNCIL LIKE TO MOVE TO OPEN THESE
PUBLIC HEARINGS 67 AND 68 AND THEN TAKE GENERAL PUBLIC
COMMENT?
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
WE'RE GOING TO GO TO 67 AND 68 AND THEN GENERAL PUBLIC
COMMENT.
10:35:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FILE NUMBERS DA 24-8133.
IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
STAFF PRESENTING?
10:36:04AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS THERE A MEMBER OF STAFF PRESENT FOR THIS
ITEM?

OR ONLINE?
MADAM CLERK, IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE FROM STAFF?
10:36:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MS. FEELEY.
WE CAN'T HEAR YOU, MS. FEELEY.
10:36:23AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
HOW ABOUT NOW?
10:36:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THERE WE GO.
10:36:26AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
GOOD MORNING, ABBYE FEELEY, INTERIM
ADMINISTRATOR, DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
REBECCA JOHNS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WAS GOING TO
BE PRESENT TO PRESENT ON THIS ALSO.
THIS IS THE PINEWOOD DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
WHEN WE LEFT OFF LAST WEEK IN RELATION -- I'M SORRY, A FEW
WEEKS AGO.
GOT TO GET MY DAYS STRAIGHT RIGHT NOW.
THERE WAS A MEETING TO BE HELD BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND THE
CITY.
THAT MEETING DID TAKE PLACE IN RELATION TO THE IMPROVEMENTS
AND TRYING TO SEE IF THERE WERE OPPORTUNITIES TO COME TO
AGREEMENT AND GO IN THERE.
I BELIEVE THAT MR. GARDNER WILL BE PRESENT TO PRESENT THE
FINDINGS OF THAT MEETING AND THE INTENTION OF THE DEVELOPER
IN MOVING FORWARD THIS MORNING.
IS MR. GARDNER IN THE CHAMBERS?
10:37:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I SEE MR. GARDNER IN THE CHAMBERS.
ARE YOU READY TO HAND IT OFF TO MR. GARDNER?

MR. GARDNER, STATE YOUR NAME.
10:37:29AM >> TRUETT GARDNER, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE HERE ON BEHALF OF
BRIAN FUNK.
AS ABBYE MENTIONED, WE DID MEET -- DID YOU WANT TO SAY
SOMETHING?
WE DID MEET WITH THE BASE.
WE'VE ALWAYS VIEWED THE BASE AS OUR PARTNER IN THIS.
WE THINK THAT AS IT RELATES TO THE HOTEL AS WELL AS THE
TRAILHEAD, THEY WILL BE A LARGE USER OF THAT.
THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL WAS TO MEET WITH THEM, BACKING
ALL THE WAY UP TO THE DESIGN OF THE PARK, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN
DONE IN A VERY PASSIVE MANNER.
WE WORKED WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT
WAS.
WE CAME TO THAT MEETING WITH THE SPIRIT OF COMPROMISE AND
TRYING TO MAKE IT EVEN MORE PASSIVE.
IDEAS WE PUT ON THE TABLE, AS YOU'LL RECALL, THE PARK HAS NO
RESTROOM.
THAT IS NOT A FORWARD OBLIGATION SO WE SAID WE WOULD COMMIT
ON THE RECORD THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE A RESTROOM FACILITY.
WE THINK THAT IS THE BIGGEST LIMITING FACTOR IN JUST HUMAN
NATURE AND HUMAN BIOLOGY ON NOT ALLOWING PEOPLE TO
CONGREGATE.
SECONDLY, THE CITY PARKS DEPARTMENT WAS COMFORTABLE THAT
THIS PARK WOULD NOT BE PROGRAMMED, YOU COULDN'T HAVE PLANNED

EVENTS.
COULDN'T HAVE BIRTHDAY PARTIES, THINGS OF THE LIKE.
NOT A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO CONGREGATE.
THIRD, WE OFFERED UP SIGNAGE THAT THIS IS NOT AN AREA OF
CONGREGATION.
REALLY BACK TO THE SPIRIT, THIS IS A TRAILHEAD THAT, YES,
DOES HAVE PARKING WHERE YOU COULD UNLOAD YOUR BICYCLE IF
SOMEBODY WAS ON THE TRAIL AND NEEDED A BENCH TO REST FOR A
MINUTE, THEY COULD.
AGAIN, WITH NO FACILITIES, THIS IS A PLACE FOR PASSING
THROUGH.
SO WE PRESENTED THAT TO THEM.
I THINK YOU'LL HEAR THAT THEY STILL HAVE OBJECTIONS TO THAT.
BUT WE FEEL THAT IT'S IN THE SPIRIT OF THE CITY AS IT
RECEIVED THE PROPERTY THROUGH THE DIGS PROGRAM.
WE FEEL LIKE IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE RESOLUTION, AND WE'RE
COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
AGAIN, HAPPY TO STATE ON THE RECORD TO DO ANYTHING TO MAKE
THIS AS PASSIVE AS POSSIBLE, BUT WE FEEL THAT WE'RE ACTING
IN THE SPIRIT OF THE RESOLUTION AND WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS A
GREAT THING FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
AS YOU'LL RECALL BEFORE, THIS WAS AN AREA THAT WAS OVERGROWN
AND IT BECAME A LARGE HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT WHERE PEOPLE WERE
LITERALLY LIVING THERE.
WE FEEL THAT HAVING THIS CLEANED UP AND HAVING THIS IN THE

SPIRIT OF A TRUE TRAILHEAD, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO
IS WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING TODAY.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WE HAVE A WHOLE PRESENTATION.
WE HAVE THE RESOLUTION.
WE'VE GOT ANYTHING YOU MAY WANT TO SEE, BUT REALLY WANTED
TO, SPECIFIC MOOD FROM THE CITY WAS FOR US TO MEET WITH THEM
AND WANTED TO REPORT BACK ON THE MEETING.
10:40:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BEFORE WE GET QUESTIONS, I SEE REBECCA
JOHNS HAS ENTERED THE ROOM.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD?
10:40:19AM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
REBECCA JOHNS, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW BECAUSE THE QUESTION WAS RAISED AT
THE LAST HEARING THAT THE CITY STAFF HAS LOOKED FOR ANYTHING
THAT ESTABLISHED A LEGAL DESCRIPTION FOR THE CLEAR ZONE THAT
WAS REFERENCED BY MacDILL.
STAFF HAD NOT FOUND ANYTHING THAT ESTABLISHED THAT CLEAR
ZONE.
I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:40:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I SEE MR. MULKEY IS ONLINE AS WELL.
10:40:42AM >>TONY MULKEY:
TONY MULKEY, PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.
WAS IN THAT MEETING WITH THE BASE AS WELL AS REPRESENTATIVES
FROM THE DEVELOPERS.
WANTED TO KIND OF JUST PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPROACH
OF THE PARK SPACE HERE AND HOW WE KIND OF VIEW THINGS.

THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS VERY CONSISTENT
WITH ESSENTIALLY ITEMS YOU WOULD FIND IN A RIGHT-OF-WAY.
IT REALLY IS JUST A MAINTAINED PUBLIC REALM SPACE, COUPLE OF
BENCHES WITHIN THAT CLEAR ZONE THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED.
THERE ARE OTHER AMENITIES IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT ARE VERY
SIMILAR.
STREET PARKING, BUS BENCHES, ESTABLISHED VISITOR CENTER THAT
THE BASE HAS HAD A WAIVER ON WHICH ALSO HAS PUBLIC SPACE AS
WELL.
SO THIS ALL KIND OF REALLY CONFORMS WITH THOSE PUBLIC REALM
AMENITIES.
AND THAT'S THE APPROACH THAT WE TOOK.
WE WILL NOT PERMIT EVENTS.
THIS IS A PASS-THROUGH SPACE.
YES, THERE IS PASSIVE SPACE IN THERE BUT NO DIFFERENT THAN
ANYTHING ELSE IN THAT AREA, EXCEPT THAT IT WOULD BE
MAINTAINED AS IT'S CURRENTLY NOT PROGRAMMED ON OUR
MAINTENANCE ROTATION.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT.
GLAD TO SUPPORT IT.
10:42:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE BASE.
10:42:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THEN WE'LL GO TO COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND
COUNCILMAN --
10:42:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT -- TO ME IT'S
NOT PUBLIC COMMENT.

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THEIR CONTINUED OPPOSITION TO WHAT
IS AFTER THEIR MEETING.
I THINK THEY ARE A VERY BIG PART OF THIS.
10:42:32AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
TONY RODRIGUEZ.
I'M WITH THE SIXTH CIVIL ENGINEER SQUADRON WITH MACDILL AIR
FORCE BASE.
I HAVE WITH ME TODAY COLONEL McGHEE, OUR MISSION SUPPORT
GROUP COMMANDER.
ESSENTIALLY OUR CITY MANAGER, LIEUTENANT COLONEL NEIL WITH
JUDGE ADVOCATE GENERAL OFFICE AS WELL AS MR. PARKER WITH
JUDGE ADVOCATE GENERAL'S OFFICE.
MACDILL AIR FORCE BASE WE STILL WOULD LIKE TO OBJECT TO THIS
DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
WE'VE GOT -- I GUESS THE THING THAT'S ONCE AGAIN BEING LOST
HERE IN THE INTERPRETATION FROM THE DEVELOPER AND THE CITY
IS THAT WHERE THE PARK IS PROPOSED IS WITHIN OUR CLEAR ZONE,
WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE SHARED WITH THE CITY FOR YEARS
NOW.
THIS IS A 3,000 BY 3,000 BOX OFF THE END OF OUR RUNWAY, AND
THIS IS AN AREA OF HIGHEST AIRCRAFT ACCIDENT POTENTIAL.
SO WE DON'T WANT GATHERING PLACES OF PEOPLE IN THE CLEAR
ZONE.
IT JUST DOES NOT MAKE GOOD SENSE.
WE'VE SHARED -- WE TALKED ABOUT THE LAST TIME, THE ACU

STUDY.
WE WORKED WITH CITY STAFF ON THE LAST UPDATE OF THIS.
AND WITHIN THE CLEAR ZONE, IT IS RECOMMENDED NO PARKS AND NO
PARKING LOTS.
FURTHERMORE, TAMPA'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHOWS NO VERTICAL
DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE CLEAR ZONE.
EVEN IF YOU WERE TO HAVE A PARKING LOT, BY YOUR STANDARDS,
THE PARKING LOTS WOULD NEED TO HAVE LIGHTS.
THE LIGHTS WOULD BE CONSIDERED VERTICAL DEVELOPMENT.
AS FAR AS MR. MULKEY'S COMMENT ABOUT THESE AMENITIES ARE
WITHIN NORMAL PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY, WELL, THIS IS A
CITY-OWNED PARCEL, BUT THIS IS NOT PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY.
A PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY IS LIKE A STREET.
THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY.
WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM THE BASE'S PERSPECTIVE,
FROM OUR IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE OVER 19,000 MEMBERS THAT WORK AT MACDILL AIR FORCE
BASE.
$11 BILLION ECONOMIC IMPACT IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY ALONE.
ANYTHING THAT WOULD IMPACT OUR AIR OPERATIONS MISSION WOULD
NOT ONLY BE DETRIMENTAL TO MACDILL AIR FORCE BASE BUT
DETRIMENTAL TO THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
10:44:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
10:44:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO MY QUESTION TO YOU BECAUSE THIS SEEMS TO
BE A STICKING POINT THAT PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ABOUT, WHAT IS

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HAVING YOUR WELCOME CENTER THERE AND
HAVING THE PUBLIC PARK?
10:45:14AM >> THE WELCOME CENTER IT'S KIND OF A NECESSARY EVIL.
THAT IS AT THE ENTRANCE TO OUR BASE.
THERE IS NO OTHER LOCATION ALONG OUR BASE BOUNDARY WHERE WE
CAN HAVE THAT VISITOR CENTER TO CLEAR PEOPLE COMING INTO THE
BASE OTHER THAN AT THAT DALE MABRY LOCATION.
SO WE HAVE AN AIR FORCE PROCESS FOR PROPERTY THAT WE OWN OF
WHICH WE OWN THE PROPERTY WHERE THE VISITOR CENTER IS AT TO
GET A WAIVER TO ALLOW THAT SORT OF FUNCTION TO OCCUR.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE AIR FORCE TAKES VERY
SERIOUSLY.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE CAN'T DO THAT SORT OF WAIVER ON THE CITY'S
PARCEL BECAUSE WE DO NOT OWN THAT PARCEL.
10:46:03AM >> I AM THE LEGAL ADVISOR TO THE WING COMMANDER.
THANK YOU FOR THE TIME TO BE HEARD ON THIS.
AS TONY SAID, THE VISITOR CENTER RETAINED WAIVER FOR.
WE ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONTROL KIND OF THE ACCESS TO
THAT LOCATION, PRIMARILY MILITARY PERSONNEL WHO ARE THERE
CARRYING OUT OFFICIAL OPERATIONS.
A PARK IN THE CLEAR ZONE OFF BASE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE SAME
ABILITY TO CONTROL ACCESS, ESPECIALLY WHEN ALSO INCLUDING A
PARKING LOT AS PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.
I DO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT -- I THINK THE COUNCIL RECOGNIZES WE
DO AS WELL THE IMPORTANCE OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE

BASE AND THE CITY, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS
DISCUSSION.
I ALSO WANT TO NOTE THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY AS THE CITY IS
GOING THROUGH HURRICANE RECOVERY OPERATIONS RIGHT NOW
OnBase WITH SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE AND COLONEL McGHEE
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RECOVERY EFFORTS IS HERE SHOWING HOW
IMPORTANT THIS ISSUE IS TO US AS A BASE.
THE PARCEL OF LAND THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE CLEAR
ZONE, AS COUNCIL IS AWARE, WAS RETAINED WITH DEFENSE
INFRASTRUCTURE GRANT IN 2005-2006 WITH THE AID OF MACDILL
AIR FORCE BASE FOR THE VERY PURPOSE OF AVOIDING THE KIND OF
SITUATION WE FIND OURSELVES IN NOW.
THAT'S ADVOCATING FOR KEEPING THE CLEAR ZONE FREE.
IN TERMS OF AUTHORITY, COMMENT MADE EARLIER, NO AUTHORITY
FOR WHAT A CLEAR ZONE IS.
I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE.
WHILE NOT A STATUTORY AUTHORITY, THERE IS AIR INSTALLATION
COMPATIBLE USE ZONE STUDY IN 2023.
114 PAGE DOCUMENT THAT HAS EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION OF WHAT A
CLEAR ZONE IS AND WHAT DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE AUTHORIZED IN
THAT AREA.
THAT IS A STUDY DONE AT EVERY AIR FORCE INSTALLATION IN THE
AIR FORCE.
THIS IS NOT UNIQUE TO MACDILL AIR FORCE BASE.
THE STANDARDS WITHIN THE STUDY ARE VERY STANDARD TO AIR

INSTALLATIONS AND ALSO DONE WITH THE BUY-IN OF THE TAMPA
CITY PLANNER BECAUSE YOUR STAKEHOLDERS TO MAKE SURE THAT
THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE ISSUES
IN THAT ACU STUDY, COLLOQUIALLY RECOVER TO IT.
IN THE STUDY IT TALKED ABOUT PARKS IN APPENDIX A, IN THE
CLEAR ZONE, PARKS ARE A NO.
THAT'S FOR, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT ANTI-PARK, BUT WE ARE CERTAINLY
SUPPORTIVE OF SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY PERSONNEL AS WELL AS
ENSURING THERE ISN'T ANY OBSTRUCTION TO EFFICIENT AND
EFFECTIVE MILITARY OPERATIONS FROM THE BASE.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
AGAIN, WE THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO IDENTIFY THAT
POSITION.
AGAIN, TO CONTINUE THAT RELATIONSHIP THAT WE HAVE KIND OF
WITH THE CITY AS WE'RE PROTECTING OUR MILITARY OPERATIONS
BUT ALSO THE TAMPA COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU.
10:48:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
10:48:35AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
TAKE MS. HENDERSON FIRST.
10:48:41AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE MILITARY OFFICER
THAT JUST LEFT THE PODIUM.
GOOD MORNING.
SO YOU RECEIVED A WAIVER FOR THE WELCOME CENTER, WHICH YOU
HAVE TO APPLY FOR.
HOW MANY PEOPLE COME THROUGH THE WELCOME CENTER?

10:48:59AM >> THAT'S A TOUGH QUESTION, MA'AM.
I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TELL YOU THE EXACT NUMBERS THAT GO
THROUGH THE WELCOME CENTER, VISITOR CENTER.
10:49:06AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
A BALLPARK, A THOUSAND, TEN THOUSAND?
10:49:10AM >> IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR ME TO GIVE YOU A BALLPARK.
IF IT WAS, PURE SPECULATION IN TERMS OF THE EXACT NUMBER.
THE ENTRANCE TO THAT AND ULTIMATELY THE TRAFFIC CONTROLLED
THROUGH THAT, AGAIN, OFFICIAL OPERATIONS FOR OBTAINING
VISITOR PASSES TO GO ON THE INSTALLATION, AREA CONTROLLED BY
THE MILITARY AND WE CONTROL THE ACCESS TO IT.
I UNDERSTAND THE POINT.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS THAT GO THROUGH THERE.
10:49:37AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WOULD YOU RECOGNIZE THAT PARKING SPACES
WHERE CARS ARE PARKED AND PEOPLE AT A VERY LIMITED PARK THAT
DOESN'T HAVE EQUIPMENT, WHERE IT IS A MAJOR HANGOUT PARK
WOULD BE LESS THAN THE PEOPLE THAT COME THROUGH A WELCOME
CENTER WHERE YOU GOT A WAIVER FOR IT?
EVEN THOUGH IT IS A NECESSARY EVIL, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD
BE UTILIZING A PARK OF THIS CAPACITY BECAUSE IT'S JUST
REALLY A FEW BENCHES AND A DECORATIVE SPACE FOR FOLKS AND
THEN PARKING.
PEOPLE DON'T HANG OUT IN PARKING LOTS.
IT'S JUST FOR PARKING.
WHAT WOULD BE THE HUGE SIGNIFICANT SAFETY THAT WOULD IMPEDE

THE MILITARY BASE IN A SAFETY SITUATION?
10:50:28AM >> ANYTIME WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN A CLEAR ZONE, WE HAVE
TO BE ANALYZING THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT.
ARE WE INCREASING THE DANGER TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO
POTENTIALLY MILITARY OPERATIONS? WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT
THE VISITOR CENTER THAT WE HAD TO RECEIVE THE PERMANENT
WAIVER FOR.
I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT.
WHAT I WOULD NOTE AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT WITH THE PARK
AND THE PARKING LOT, OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE'S
PROJECTED FOLLOW-ON DEVELOPMENT OF A HOTEL THAT'S UP AGAINST
THE PARKING LOT.
I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE AS INFREQUENTLY
TRAFFICKED AS SUGGESTED IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE
THERE.
10:51:01AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
DO YOU THINK LESS PEOPLE THAN WOULD COME
THROUGH A WELCOME CENTER?
10:51:05AM >> POTENTIALLY.
STILL ADDITIONAL INDIVIDUALS PUTTING IN DANGER.
WE'RE ADDING TO ALREADY THE RISK THAT WAS ASSUMED WITH THE
VISITOR CENTER AS DESCRIBED BY TONY AND AS GRANTED BY THE
THREE STAR GENERAL WHO HAD TO GRANT THE EXCEPTION FOR THE
VISITOR CENTER.
WE'RE ADDING TO IT.
NOT CANCELING ANYTHING OUT OR LESSENING THE DANGER WITH THE

VISITOR CENTER.
10:51:25AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
HOW MUCH DANGER HAS COME TO THE CLEAR ZONE
IN THE PAST TEN YEARS?
10:51:31AM >> MA'AM, WE HAVE NOT HAD AIRCRAFT CRASH.
COLONEL McGHEE AND MYSELF, SEEN AIRCRAFT CRASH,
UNFORTUNATE CIRCUMSTANCE.
10:51:41AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ANSWER THE QUESTION, HOW MANY?
10:51:43AM >> NONE IN THE LAST TEN YEARS.
10:51:45AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
LAST 20 YEARS.
10:51:47AM >> NONE IN THE CLEAR ZONE LAST 20 YEARS.
10:51:49AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
AT ANY TIME, ANY DANGEROUS SITUATION IN
THAT CLEAR ZONE AREA THAT WOULD CAUSE US TO PREVENT A
PARKING LOT?
10:51:57AM >> MA'AM, IN TERMS -- IT IS THE DANGER THERE.
NOT WHETHER OR NOT THERE HAVE BEEN CRASHES.
10:52:03AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
CAN'T BE TOO MUCH DANGER IF IT IS A
NECESSARY EVIL FOR YOU TO GET A WAIVER FOR THE WELCOME
CENTER WHERE LOTS OF PEOPLE COME THROUGH.
CAN'T BE THAT SERIOUS.
YOU HAD TO GET THE WAIVER BECAUSE IT'S PROTOCOL.
WOULD YOU AGREE?
PROTOCOL FOR YOU TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S WHAT YOU CONSIDER
THE CLEAR ZONE SO THE PROCEDURE IS GET A WAIVER.
10:52:22AM >> THE PROCEDURE IS FOR THE WAIVER TO COME FROM VERY HIGH
LEVEL BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION OF WHERE IT'S LOCATED.

IN THE CLEAR ZONE BECAUSE OF THE DANGER THAT PRESENTS.
10:52:29AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THAT'S HOW YOU SOLVED THE PROBLEM, YOU GOT
THE WAIVER.
FOR US AS COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHEN THERE'S CLEARLY NO
SIGNIFICANT DANGER THAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST 10, 20, 30,
40 YEARS, WHY WOULD THIS BE SUCH AN ARGUMENT FOR MACDILL AIR
FORCE BASE BESIDES THAT?
WHEN YOU CLEARLY HAVE A WELCOME CENTER THERE THAT BRINGS
ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING THROUGH THERE.
10:52:54AM >> BECAUSE THE SEVERITY OF THE DANGER THAT EXISTS.
IT'S NOT ABOUT --
10:52:58AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE ALREADY CLASSIFIED THAT BECAUSE NOTHING
HAS HAPPENED.
OBVIOUSLY, MACDILL AIR FORCE BASE HAS DONE A VERY GOOD JOB.
LET'S TALK ABOUT -- LET'S MOVE ON FROM THAT BECAUSE CLEARLY
NOTHING HAS HAPPENED.
IF THERE WAS A DANGEROUS SITUATION, WHAT WOULD YOU DO FOR
THE PEOPLE AT THE WELCOME CENTER?
10:53:17AM >> WHAT'S THAT?
10:53:18AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IN THE SENSE, IT IS A CLEAR ZONE AND YOU
HAVE A WAIVER TO HAVE A WELCOME CENTER THERE, IF SOMETHING
WERE TO HAPPEN THAT WAS DANGEROUS, WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE?
10:53:30AM >> WE WOULD --
10:53:31AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WHO IS ANSWERING THAT QUESTION?
10:53:36AM >> ULTIMATELY WE WOULD CLOSE DOWN THE VISITOR CENTER.

10:53:38AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
HOW DO YOU DO THAT?
10:53:40AM >> WE CONTROL THE AREA AND CLOSE IT DOWN AND WE CONTROL
ACCESS TO THE VISITOR CENTER.
10:53:44AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COULD YOU INFORM THE PARKING LOT PEOPLE
AND PARK PEOPLE TO CLOSE IT DOWN?
COULDN'T WE DO THE SAME THING FOR THAT AREA?
10:53:51AM >> WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER THAT AREA.
10:53:53AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COULD WE --
10:53:54AM >> CAN I DO A POINT OF ORDER?
10:53:56AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
NO, NO, YOU CANNOT.
10:54:01AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE QUESTION IS, A POINT OF ORDER HAS BEEN
RAISED.
10:54:05AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS, FOR COUNCIL PROCEDURE,
IF WE COULD HAVE QUESTION AND AN ANSWER.
THAT'S ALL FOR THE OFFICER.
THAT'S IT, MR. CHAIR.
10:54:17AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHATEVER THE CHAIR'S RULING ON THE POINT OF
ORDER.
10:54:21AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF MY THOUGHT.
I KNOW IT'S TOUGH QUESTIONING, BUT I THINK IT'S REASONABLE.
THE PUBLIC IS LISTENING.
I HAVE THESE QUESTIONS.
I'M NOT GOING TO KEEP THEM TO MYSELF.
WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION.
ME CHALLENGING THE MILITARY, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH

THAT.
NOTHING AGAINST THE LAW, IS IT?
10:54:38AM >>LUIS VIERA:
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, THAT'S NOT MY ISSUE.
MY ISSUE IS HAVE A QUESTION AND TIME FOR AN ANSWER.
IF YOU WANT TO TAKE SIX HOURS WITH QUESTIONS, YOUR GOD-GIVEN
RIGHT.
THANK YOU.
10:54:51AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
NOW, JUST LIKE IN THE CLASSROOM, I FORGOT
WHAT I WAS SAYING AND THE STUDENTS USUALLY HELP ME OUT WITH
THAT.
10:54:59AM >> YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IT BEING CLOSED, AUTHORITY TO HAVE
IT CLOSED --
10:55:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SIR, NO, NO.
10:55:06AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OKAY.
THE WELCOME CENTER, IF THERE WAS AN EMERGENCY, YOU COULD
SHUT IT DOWN.
IS THERE A POSSIBILITY WITHIN THE SCOPE OF WHAT YOU DO,
COULD YOU INFORM THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES TO DO THE SAME
THING?
10:55:29AM >> WE COULD SIMPLY INFORM THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES THAT
THERE WAS AN ISSUE, MA'AM.
BUT THE SCOPE OF THE PROBLEM IS NOT WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THERE
IS A DANGER.
IT'S THE DANGER TO THE PERSONNEL THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE
THERE OR THE PERSONS THAT WOULD BE THERE IF THERE WAS A

CATASTROPHIC CRASH OR ANOTHER ISSUE THAT HAPPENED DURING
THAT ZONE, WHICH IF THE PARK AND THE PARKING LOT ARE BUILT
THERE, WE CERTAINLY CANNOT STOP THAT IF THERE ARE
INDIVIDUALS THERE BEFORE THE CRASH HAPPENS BECAUSE WE DON'T
KNOW THAT IT'S COMING.
THAT'S WHY THERE IS A CLEAR ZONE, THAT'S WHY THERE IS A
BUFFER THAT EXISTS.
10:56:00AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
LET'S STEP OUTSIDE OF MACDILL AIR FORCE
BASE.
IN A CLEAR ZONE IN THE UNITED STATES, HAVE YOU ALL EVER SHUT
DOWN A WELCOME CENTER IN A CLEAR ZONE AT OTHER BASES?
HAS THAT HAPPENED?
10:56:17AM >> WE CERTAINLY SHUT DOWN VISITOR CENTERS.
I DON'T KNOW EVERY POTENTIAL CRASH THAT HAS HAPPENED AT
EVERY DAYS.
AGAIN, PART OF THE REASON THAT WE HAVE A CLEAR ZONE THAT
EXISTS, WHICH DOES EXIST AT EVERY AIR FORCE INSTALLATION, A
CLEAR ZONE THAT EXISTS TO MINIMIZE ANY POTENTIAL DAMAGE IF
THERE IS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS DURING THAT CLEAR ZONE.
THAT IS THE WHOLE PURPOSE BEHIND THE CLEAR ZONE.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT OTHER INSTALLATIONS MAY OR MAY NOT
HAVE HAD AT THEIR VISITOR CENTERS, MA'AM.
10:56:47AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MY LAST QUESTION.
DID YOU GET THE WAIVER TO BUILD THE WELCOME CENTER?
DID YOU DO IT BEFORE OR AFTER?

10:56:57AM >> TONY CAN SPEAK TO THAT MORE INTELLIGENTLY THAN I CAN,
MA'AM.
10:57:01AM >> WAIVER HAS TO BE OBTAINED BEFORE CONSTRUCTION BEGINS.
10:57:04AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
10:57:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA AND COUNCIL
MEMBER CARLSON.
10:57:11AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
[INAUDIBLE] -- INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE
PRESENTING THE CASE.
HAVE YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT THIS CASE?
WHAT WAS THE RESULT?
10:57:22AM >> YES, SIR.
10:57:22AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M ASKING BOTH SIDES TO ANSWER THIS
THING.
I HAVE TO GET SOME CLARITY.
HEARING ONE THING ON ONE SIDE AND OPPOSITE FROM THE OTHER
AND WE'RE NOT ANY CLOSER THAN WE WERE BEFORE.
10:57:34AM >> THIS PAST MONDAY WE HAD A TEAMS MEETING WITH
REPRESENTATIVES FROM CITY OF TAMPA AND THE DEVELOPER TEAM.
WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY,
EVERYTHING WE TALKED ABOUT AT OUR LAST PUBLIC HEARING.
UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T BELIEVE WE WERE ABLE TO ACHIEVE ANY
NEW GROUND AS FAR AS A COMPROMISE THAT WOULD ALLOW A PARK TO
BE BUILT WITHIN THE CLEAR ZONE, WHICH IS OUR MAJOR CONCERN.
10:58:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
I'M SORRY.

GO AHEAD, SIR.
10:58:10AM >> COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YES, I JUST WANT TO SAY WE ABSOLUTELY
RESPECT THE BASE.
THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETING.
TO CLARIFY JUST SOME TERMINOLOGY, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING A
PARK.
THIS IS A TRAILHEAD.
FITS THE DEFINITION OF A TRAILHEAD.
WE WORKED WITH THE CITY SPECIFICALLY ON THIS.
THE CITY GOT THE LAND.
I'M HAPPY TO DO IT ON REBUTTAL TO GO THROUGH THE RESOLUTION
OF WHAT IT SAYS WHICH I THINK IS IN THE SPIRIT OF EXACTLY
WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE CAME TO THE TABLE ON MONDAY WITH ADDITIONAL IDEAS TO MAKE
THIS EVEN MORE PASSIVE AND LESS OF A PLACE OF CONGREGATION.
THAT'S WHEN WE PROPOSED, STATE ON THE RECORD THERE WILL
NEVER BE RESTROOMS AT THE FACILITY.
STATE ON THE RECORD, THIS WILL NEVER BE A PARK PROGRAMMED SO
IT IS AN AREA OF CONGREGATION.
WE PROPOSED THAT WE'LL HAVE SIGNAGE THAT THIS IS NOT FOR
CONGREGATION.
THIS IS LITERALLY FOR PEOPLE TO PASS THROUGH ON THE
TRAILHEAD.
I'LL GO THROUGH THE RESOLUTION ON REBUTTAL, BUT THAT'S THE
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE PRESENTED TO HOPE TO

ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS.
10:59:06AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE MEETING.
10:59:10AM >> THAT WAS DISCUSSED, OFFERED AND NOT RECEIVED.
10:59:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
10:59:17AM >>BILL CARLSON:
FIRST OF ALL, SOUTH TAMPA, MacDILL,
YOU'RE IN MY DISTRICT.
THIS IS OF PARTICULAR IMPORTANCE TO ME.
I RESPECT AND UNDERSTAND THE VALUE OF MacDILL THROUGH
THE TAMPA CHAMBER.
BEEN INVOLVED TANGENTIALLY SEVERAL TIMES.
I THINK AS A COMMUNITY WE APPRECIATE AND RESPECT
MacDILL.
ALSO VERY SMALL THING.
I WAS A CADET COMMANDER OF CIVIL AIR SQUADRON WHEN IN HIGH
SCHOOL.
TRAINED BY THE AIR FORCE TOO.
STARTED READING PUBLIC AFFAIRS MANUALS.
BEEN IN AND AROUND THE AIR FORCE AND UNDERSTAND THE
IMPORTANCE OF FLIGHT LINES AND FLIGHT SAFETY AND THESE CLEAR
ZONES.
I THINK THE QUESTION HERE IS CAN WE -- IT DOESN'T SEEM TO ME
LIKE IT HAS TO BE EITHER-OR.
SEEMS LIKE THERE MIGHT BE SOME ROOM TO MANEUVER.
LET ME SET UP A PREMISE AND THEN WE CAN GET YOUR RESPONSE.
FIRST OF ALL, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE TO TAKE THE WORD PARK

COMPLETELY OFF THE TABLE.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT WOULD ULTIMATELY BE UNDER PARKS OR
MOBILITY, BUT FROM WHAT I RECALL, YOU SAID LAST TIME WHEN
YOU ALL INITIALLY WORKED WITH THE CITY TO ACQUIRE THIS LAND,
YOU ENVISIONED THAT IT WOULD NOT BE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE
COULD CONGREGATE BUT IT WAS ALWAYS GOING TO BE A PATHWAY FOR
THE BICYCLE LANE.
I THINK ORIGINALLY THE DEVELOPER HAD PROPOSED SPENDING A LOT
OF MONEY ON A PARK AS AN AMENITY.
THEY REALIZED SINCE THEN IT CAN'T BE A PARK.
BUT IT SEEMS TO ME WE SHOULD NOT CALL IT A PARK.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER TRAILHEAD IS THE RIGHT WORD OR
SOMETHING ELSE, PASS THROUGH, JUST A COMPONENT OF THE CYCLE
WAY.
IF YOU ALL WERE OKAY WITH THAT PREMISE BACK THEN, I WOULD
SAY LET'S STAY TRUE ON THE PARK PART OF IT LETS STAY TRUE TO
WHAT YOU ALL PROMISED BACK THEN OR WHAT YOU ALL WERE OKAY
WITH.
TRANSIENT PEOPLE WOULD BE ON BICYCLES AND PASS THROUGH AND
NOT PUT ANY AMENITIES THERE, LET'S NOT EVEN CALL IT A PARK.
THAT'S ABOUT -- I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY, TWO-THIRDS,
THREE-QUARTERS OF THE LAND THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THE OTHER PART OF IT IS THAT LITTLE TRIANGLE ON I THINK
WESTERN SIDE WHICH IS PART OF THE PARKING LOT.
I DON'T REMEMBER HOW MANY CARS ARE THERE, BUT YOU HAD TWO

CONCERNS.
ONE IS YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO CONGREGATE.
AS I LOOK AT IT, PEOPLE PARK THEIR CAR.
THEY ARE THERE FOR A FEW SECONDS AND THEN LEAVE.
TYPICALLY PEOPLE DON'T CONGREGATE.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE HOTEL ALSO COULD WORK ON
PRIORITIZATION OF PARKING SO THEY CAN PUT CARS PRIMARILY
OUTSIDE OF THAT ZONE.
BUT IF THEY NEED IT, IT'S OVERFILL BUT INSIST PEOPLE DON'T
STAND THERE.
YOU TALK ABOUT THE VERTICAL HEIGHT WHICH I THINK EVERYBODY
WOULD UNDERSTAND WE DON'T WANT TO PUT UP OBSTRUCTIONS.
MAYBE A DIFFERENT WAY TO LIGHT THE PARKING LOT OR LIGHT THAT
SECTION.
WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE WELCOME CENTER.
ONE OF MY SONS GOES TO SCHOOL NEAR MacDILL.
SO I DRIVE DOWN DALE MABRY EVERY DAY.
YESTERDAY, IT WAS BACKED UP NORTH OF GANDY.
SO THERE WERE PROBABLY A HUNDRED OR MORE CARS FULL OF
PEOPLE, REALLY IMPORTANT PEOPLE PROBABLY GOING ON BASE WHO
WERE IN THAT CLEAR ZONE.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT'S MORE OF A RISK THAN THE WELCOME CENTER
AND THERE MAY BE OTHER CASES HERE.
MY BIG QUESTION TO YOU IS, IF WE SAY WE'RE STRICTLY GOING TO
STICK TO THE ORIGINAL PREMISE OF THAT PIECE OF THE LAND AND

ONLY MAKE IT A PASS-THROUGH, NO AMENITIES, DON'T EVEN CALL
IT A PARK IS THAT ACCEPTABLE?
ON THE SMALL PIECE THAT WOULD HAVE CARS, IS IT OKAY THAT WE
MAYBE PRIORITIZE NOT USING IT, THAT WE MAKE SURE PEOPLE
DON'T CONGREGATE THERE AND THAT WE USE LOWER LEVEL LIGHTS.
WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE, UNDERSTANDING THE CONCERNS?
11:03:22AM >> CHRIS PARKER.
I'M AN ATTORNEY AT THE INSTALLATION LEGAL OFFICE.
TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION, I THINK OUR COMPROMISE IS THE
TRAILHEAD.
THE GREENWAY AND TRAILHEADS, AS LONG AS IT'S A PASS-THROUGH.
WE SEE PEOPLE WILL USE THEIR BIKES AND CONTINUE TO GO
THROUGH THE PROPOSALS WE SAW WAS A CIRCULAR TRAIL, POTENTIAL
BENCHES AND A PARKING LOT WHICH MEANS THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING
TO CONGREGATE, STAY THERE.
THEY MIGHT EVEN, KIDS, PEOPLE WILL DO ACTIVITIES THERE.
WE ARE I THINK OUR COMPROMISE IS THE TRAILHEAD, THE ORIGINAL
THOUGHT PROCESS FROM THE GRANT AND TO CONNECT THE TWO SIDES,
THE TWO BAYS.
TO YOUR SECOND QUESTION ON THE PARKING, AGAIN, IT GOES BACK
TO OUR MAIN GOAL HERE AND THE REASON WHY WE DO THIS STUDY
AND WE DO IT AT EVERY INSTALLATION IS FOR SAFETY.
TO LIMIT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITIES
TO LIMIT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, ESPECIALLY PARKING LOTS,
PARKS, ANYWHERE WHERE SOMEONE WILL CONGREGATE.

IF YOU HAVE A TRAILHEAD, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PARK THERE.
THEY ARE GOING TO GO AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE GONE FOR LONG
PERIODS OF TIME ON TOP OF THAT, I GO TO GADSDEN PARK ALL THE
TIME.
I CAN TELL YOU THERE ARE VEHICLES THERE THROUGHOUT THE DAY
THAT STAY THERE CONSTANTLY, AND THEY LEAVE THEIR VEHICLES
THERE.
THAT'S WHERE YOU TEND -- THAT'S WHAT YOU TEND TO SEE AT ALL
PARKS.
OUR WORRY THERE IS THAT THAT PARKING LOT WILL BE USED
CONSTANTLY.
THAT'S NOT EVEN TO MENTION THE HOTEL.
THAT PARKING LOT IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE HOTEL, THE PROPOSED
HOTEL ON THE EASTERN PART OF THE PARCEL.
IT SEEMS LIKE THAT PARKING LOT WILL ALSO BE POTENTIALLY USED
FOR HOTEL PARKING, WHICH MEANS YOU AGAIN HAVE VEHICLES
STAYING THERE LONGER PERIODS OF TIME AND POTENTIALLY PEOPLE
BEING THERE AT THOSE VEHICLES.
AS FAR AS LIGHTING, I'M NOT SURE OF THE CITY REGULATIONS ON
LIGHTING.
I KNOW USUALLY IT IS VERTICAL LIGHTING IN PARKING LOTS FOR
MOST CITIES.
I CAN'T ANSWER THAT IF THAT IS A POTENTIAL.
YEAH, OUR ISSUE WITH THAT IS THIS IS WHERE OUR AIRCRAFT TAKE
OFF.

THAT'S WHY IT IS THE CLEAR ZONE.
WE WANT NO VERTICAL DEVELOPMENTS FOR THAT REASON.
AND ESPECIALLY LIGHTING COMING FROM VERTICAL DEVELOPMENTS
CAN ALSO CAUSE AN ISSUE.
ONE POINT THAT I DON'T THINK HAS BEEN RAISED HERE IS I THINK
WE HAVE NOT ANALYZED THE PROPOSED HOTEL, THE FIVE-STORY
PROPOSED HOTEL ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PARCEL.
I THINK IT'S OUR REQUEST THAT INSTEAD OF FIRST LOOKING AT
THE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE PARK AND PARKING LOT OR TRAILHEAD
THAT INSTEAD WE ANALYZE WHETHER, HEY, THE FIVE STORY PARK
THAT IS GOING TO BE CLOSE TO THE CLEAR ZONE, RIGHT WHERE WE
HAVE AIRCRAFT TAKING OFF IT ALSO GETS ANALYZED.
IT GETS ANALYZED BY FAA.
IT GOES THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
WE SEE IT AS BACKWARDS.
WHY ARE WE DOING THE PARK OR THE PARKING LOT FOR THE
TRAILHEAD WHICH SEEMS TO BE CONNECTED TO THIS HOTEL, WHY IS
THAT ANALYSIS AND PROPOSAL GOING FIRST?
WHEN WE BROUGHT THAT UP AT THAT MEETING, THEY JUST SAID,
HEY, IT SEEMED LIKE YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE THAT HOTEL AND PARK
WITHOUT CLEANING UP THIS AREA.
IT SEEMS TO US LIKE THE INTENDED PURPOSE IS LESS THE PARK OR
TRAILHEAD AND MORE TO MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE FOR THAT
HOTEL.
WE HAVE A CONCERN WITH THAT.

SO WHAT OUR PROPOSAL WOULD BE IS, ONE, WE STICK TO THE
TRAILHEAD, THE GREENS AND TRAILS THAT WE'VE ALWAYS KIND OF
BEEN OUR POSITION, AND THEN ALSO IF THERE IS A PROPOSED
HOTEL THERE, THAT WE ANALYZE THAT FIRST.
IT SEEMS WE'RE GETTING AHEAD OF OURSELVES.
11:07:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN AND COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
11:07:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOSH, WHERE TO BEGIN?
SIMILAR TO WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I HAVE AIR TRAFFIC
CONTROL EXPERIENCE AND DID A LOT OF THIS TYPE OF STUDY AND
WORK, DIFFERENT AIRPORTS.
TO BE CLEAR, PEOPLE UNDERSTAND, CLEAR ZONES ARE AROUND EVERY
AIRPORT IN THE UNITED STATES.
NOT JUST AIR FORCE BASE INSTALLATIONS.
CLEAR ZONES ARE TWOFOLD.
PROTECT ASSETS ON THE GROUND BUT ALSO PROTECT THE AIRCRAFT
ASSETS.
THAT'S WHY THEY ARE ESTABLISHED.
THAT BEING SAID, I'M SORRY, BUT THIS SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF
FUSS ABOUT VERY LITTLE.
THIS IS A VERY LOW IMPACT PROJECT IN A CLEAR ZONE.
I THINK I SAID IN THE FIRST HEARING THAT OUR AIRPORTS HAVE
BEEN DEVELOPED AND SPECIFICALLY THE AIR FORCE BASE DEVELOPED
IN AN URBAN AREA.
IDEAL SITUATION, THESE THINGS WOULD EXIST IN THE MIDDLE OF

OKLAHOMA, WHICH SOME OF THEM DO.
LARGE SWATHES OF LANDS AVAILABLE BUT REACH COMPROMISES.
WHEN WE HAVE URBAN DEVELOPMENT.
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION OF THE RECORD, ON THE VERTICAL
DEVELOPMENT ASPECT OF THIS, TALKING ABOUT LIGHTING POLES.
WE CAN'T RESTRICT MADAM CHAIR.
PINE TREES CAN BE IN THESE AREAS.
WE'RE NOT CLEAR CUTTING THIS PARCEL.
THAT VERTICAL DEVELOPMENT IS SPECIFICALLY TO PROTECT --
YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO SAVE THE LIFE OF A LIGHT POLE.
TRYING TO PROTECT THE AIRCRAFT OPERATION.
BUT A TREE COULD BE THERE AT THE SAME EXACT TIME.
NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 30-FOOT PINE TREE AND 30-FOOT LIGHT
POLE.
CORRECT?
ANYBODY FOR THE RECORD?
11:09:19AM >> CORRECT, SIR.
30-FOOT OBSTRUCTION IS 30-FOOT OBSTRUCTION, MAN MADE OR
NATURAL.
11:09:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SECONDLY, THIS IS PROBABLY FOR CITY
COUNCIL STAFF, MS. JOHNS, MAYBE.
SOME LEGAL ADVICE.
WHERE WE ARE WITH THE CITY'S POSITION AND THE DISPOSITION OF
THIS LAND, THE AIR FORCE BASE, AGAIN, CRITICAL
INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE ALL RESPECT THE MILITARY AND THE ROLE THE AIR FORCE BASE
PLAYS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, WHAT AN ECONOMIC DRIVER IT IS
AND FOR THE DEFENSE OF THE UNITED STATES.
BUT FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT OUTSIDE OF THE LAND THAT THEY OWN
AND THIS LAND HAS BEEN TRANSFERRED TO THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE
AIR FORCE BASE'S CAPACITY HERE IS JUST ADVICE AND COUNSEL.
THIS IS UP TO THE CITY TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE THIS
DEVELOPMENT, CORRECT?
11:10:05AM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
THAT'S CORRECT.
I THINK THEY ACKNOWLEDGED AT THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING THAT
THIS WAS A RECOMMENDATION.
11:10:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
RECOMMENDATION.
I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.
AND THE CITY OF TAMPA'S POSITION THAT THIS IS THE BEST USE
OF THIS PROPERTY TO DEVELOP THIS AS THIS PARK, SLASH,
TRAILHEAD AND REACH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE
DEVELOPER.
11:10:22AM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
THAT IS CORRECT.
11:10:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY THE ATTORNEY FOR
THE AIR FORCE WAS YOU DISCUSSED THIS POTENTIAL HOTEL
DEVELOPMENT, MY UNDERSTANDING, THIS IS, AGAIN, NOT WHAT
WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS TODAY, BECAUSE WE'RE HERE TALKING
ABOUT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE PARKING LOT AND THE
PARK, BUT THE HOTEL, THIS PROPOSED HOTEL IS NOT IN THE CLEAR
ZONE, IS THAT CORRECT, MR. TRUETT?

11:10:48AM >> CORRECT.
JUST TO ADD BRIEFLY TO THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S AN
IMPORTANT QUESTION, ALREADY A HOTEL THAT'S BEEN APPROVED.
WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT IS A POTENTIAL SECOND HOTEL.
THAT IS NOT ON THE TABLE AT ALL.
THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
MOST IMPORTANTLY TO THAT, THIS TRAILHEAD IS TIED TO
OBTAINING THE C.O. FOR HOTEL ONE HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO
DO WITH HOTEL TWO.
HOTEL TWO IS MERE SPECULATION IN THE FUTURE.
WE'LL OBVIOUSLY WORK WITH THE BASE IF THAT IS THE PROPOSAL
TO MAKE SURE IT FITS WITHIN THEIR HEIGHT LIMITATIONS AND
EVERYTHING ELSE.
I THINK THE CRITICAL THING, WHICH I THINK WAS MISSING OR
DIDN'T CONNECT ON THE MEETING WE HAD ON MONDAY, IS THE
CONSTRUCTION OF THIS TRAILHEAD IS TIED TO HOTEL ONE, HAS
NOTHING TO DO WITH HOTEL TWO.
MERE CONJECTURE AT THIS POINT.
11:11:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I UNDERSTAND, BEING IN AVIATION 32 YEARS
OF MY LIFE, I UNDERSTAND THE POSITION AND THE PROPRIETARY
POSITION OF THE AIR FORCE BASE PROTECTING THEIR TURF BECAUSE
THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
WE HAVE TO REACH SOME SEMBLANCE OF COMPROMISE IN THE URBAN
DEVELOPMENT, URBAN AREAS.
FOR ME, BASED ON MY BACKGROUND AND EXPERIENCE, THIS IS A

REALLY LOW DENSITY DEVELOPMENT.
POTENTIALLY AS LOW DENSITY AS YOU COULD POSSIBLY GET WITHOUT
LEAVING IT AS BARREN LAND.
I'M HAVING DIFFICULTY.
SEEMS LIKE WHERE GOVERNMENT SOMETIMES GETS IN THE WAY OF
ITSELF, BECOME BUREAUCRATIC AND ALLOW COMMON SENSE TO FLY
OUT THE WINDOW, THAT, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TURNING THIS INTO A
FAIRGROUNDS, NOT TURNING IT INTO DISNEY WORLD, NOT TURNING
IT INTO THIS MAJOR PROJECT.
IT LITERALLY IS A CIRCULAR PATH.
I DON'T SEE 500 PEOPLE GOING OUT THERE CUTTING CIRCLES ON
THE SIDEWALK ALL DAY LONG.
WE'VE GOT, AS COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID, DALE MABRY HIGHWAY IS
BACKED UP WITH HUNDREDS, IF NOT THOUSANDS OF CARS IN ANY
GIVEN DAY.
THE WELCOME CENTER, I THINK YOU SAID YOURSELF, THE MILITARY
GRANTS -- GREAT PRIVILEGE TO HAVE TO SAY WHEN IT IS IN THE
BEST INTEREST OF THE AIR FORCE BASE.
HAVE TO THANK, TOO, THE AIR FORCE BASE, DEVELOPMENT OF
HOTELS.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS WE HAVE WITH MILITARY
INSTALLATIONS IS VISITORS AND STAFF THAT ARE COMING IN TO BE
ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE IN HOTELS AND HAVING THIS TYPE OF
DEVELOPMENT IS SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S GOOD FOR MacDILL.

GOOD FOR TAMPA.
GOOD FOR THE AREA.
THAT'S MY POINT.
11:13:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
11:13:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I COULDN'T DISAGREE MORE WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
WE DON'T NEED TO COMPROMISE.
WE ABSOLUTELY DON'T NEED TO COMPROMISE.
WE ARE COMPROMISING OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE BASE, IN MY
VIEW, BY DOING THIS.
I'M AN AVID TRAIL USER.
TRAIL HEADS DO NOT HAVE CIRCULAR PATHS.
THEY DO NOT HAVE BENCHES.
TRAILHEADS THREE HAVE A SIGN THAT SHOWS YOU WHERE YOU'RE
GOING.
I DO NOT THINK A TRAILHEAD IS A GOOD IDEA.
THE OTHER THING TRAILHEADS HAVE, HE'S CORRECT, PARKING.
ANY PARK YOU GO TO.
I MEAN, I GO PAST HENRY AND OLA EVERY DAY WITH MY DOG.
THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT CAMP THERE.
I DON'T CALL THEM OUT.
BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.
THEY MOVE FROM PARK TO PARK BECAUSE I RECOGNIZE THE CARS
OVER TIME.
IF YOU PUT A PARKING SPACE, SOMEONE IS GOING TO USE IT.

I AM FINE WITH IT SIMPLY BEING A PATH THROUGH LIKE IT WAS
ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO BE.
BUT MY OTHER CONCERN IS THE CONCERN THAT, WELL, NOTHING HAS
HAPPENED.
IF NOTHING IS PROVEN THIS WEEK, A HUNDRED YEARS SINCE A
HURRICANE HAS COME THROUGH, WHAT HAPPENS IF IT HAPPENS NEXT
WEEK?
A JET DOESN'T MAKE -- THE THING ABOUT CONTROLLING ACCESS IS
ONCE YOU JOIN THE MILITARY, YOU BELONG TO THE MILITARY.
IF THE MILITARY TELLS YOU TO BE IN THAT SPACE AS A WELCOME
CENTER, THAT'S THEIR JOB.
THEY HAVE TO DO IT.
EVEN IF IT IS A DANGER ZONE.
THAT'S WHAT THE MILITARY IS.
THAT'S WHAT AGREEING TO BE A PART OF THE MILITARY IS.
I AM JUST SHOCKED THAT PEOPLE ARE OKAY WITH THIS.
I WOULD LOVE AND APPRECIATE IF THE DEVELOPER -- I DO NOT
WANT TO BE CREATING THIS HERE ON THE DAIS.
I BELIEVE IT SHOULD GO BACK AND YOU ALL SHOULD FIGURE IT
OUT, HOW TO HAVE NO LOOP, HOW TO SIMPLY HAVE A PATHWAY
THROUGH JUST LIKE WE WERE SUPPOSED TO AND THEN FIGURE IT
OUT.
I ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT DO ANYTHING THAT COMPROMISES THE
CITY'S RELATIONSHIP WITH THE BASE.
I AM NOT WILLING TO PUT ANYONE IN DANGER WHO SITS AT A

BENCH, LIVES OUT OF A CAR.
I'M SIMPLY NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
I'M ACTUALLY SHOCKED THAT PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO THINK THAT
COMPROMISE IS SOMETHING THAT'S ABLE TO BE DONE HERE.
A COMPROMISE IS SIMPLY STICKING WITH WHAT YOU HAD BEFORE,
WHICH WAS SIMPLY A TRAIL, NO LOOP, NO BENCH, NO OPEN BASE
BECAUSE THE PROBLEM IS IF YOU LEAVE OPEN SPACE, PEOPLE WILL
USE IT.
THEY JUST SIMPLY WILL.
MY OTHER OPTION, I DON'T KNOW IF THE BASE WOULD BE WILLING
TO BUY THE LAND.
I WOULD BE WILLING TO SELL IT.
I AM WILDLY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT IF, BECAUSE WE JUST WENT
THROUGH A WHAT-IF.
AND IT WASN'T PRETTY.
11:16:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
11:16:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, WHAT YOU'RE
MISSING, THERE ARE NO ABSOLUTES, ESPECIALLY IN AVIATION.
I THINK THE AIR FORCE BASE WOULD RECOGNIZE THIS AS WELL,
THAT IT IS A LOT OF RISK BENEFIT ANALYSIS.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS HUNDRED PERCENT SAFE AIRCRAFT
OPERATIONS.
YOU RUN THE RISK -- THERE ARE SAFETY RISKS IN EVERY
OPERATION YOU RUN.
THEN YOU DO ANALYSIS BASED ON THE BENEFITS AND THE RISK.

AND I THINK -- THAT'S IN EVERYTHING BECAUSE AGAIN WE'RE IN
AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT.
WE'RE OPERATING HIGH PERFORMANCE, HIGH SPEED AND SOMETIMES
DANGEROUS AIRCRAFT SPECIFICALLY AT AN AIR FORCE BASE.
LOOK AT TAMPA INTERNATIONAL AND THE POTENTIAL IMPACT.
WE HAVE VERY DENSE DEVELOPMENT AROUND TAMPA INTERNATIONAL
AIRPORT.
THEY DO PROTECT CLEAR ZONES AND THINGS BUT STILL A LOT OF
RISK INVOLVED WITH AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS.
THERE IS NO ABSOLUTES.
YOU HAVE TO SAY WHAT THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF RISK THAT WE'RE
WILLING TO ACCEPT.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT BUILDING A HIGH-RISE, NOT TALKING
ABOUT BUILDING AN APARTMENT COMPLEX WHERE PEOPLE ARE LIVING
THERE 24/7.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A REALLY, REALLY LOW DENSITY.
I MEAN, AGAIN OTHER THAN LEAVING IT AS FERAL LAND FOR
CHIPMUNKS OR SQUIRRELS, I DON'T THINK YOU COULD GET ANY
LOWER DENSITY THAN THIS.
AGAIN, THERE IS A BENEFIT TO NOT JUST THE AIR FORCE BASE.
THERE IS A BENEFIT TO THE CITY OF TAMPA OF HAVING HOTEL ON
THIS PROPERTY.
IT'S A SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY, PRIVATE
DEVELOPMENT, THE AIR FORCE BASE, THE PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE.
BACK TO THE VISITOR CENTER, THE VISITOR CENTER IS NOT JUST

FOR PEOPLE THAT SIGNED UP FOR THE MILITARY.
THAT VISITOR CENTER IS FOR FOLKS DOING BUSINESS.
HAVE TO ASSUME THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE COMING ON THE
BASE ARE NOT MILITARY FOLKS.
PEOPLE DOING BUSINESS WITH THE MILITARY, VISITORS WITH THE
MILITARY, THE CONTRACTORS.
IT'S A CITY UNTO ITSELF.
SO PEOPLE ARE PASSING THROUGH THAT WELCOME GATES AND WELCOME
CENTERS.
A LOT OF FOLKS TRANSITIONING THROUGH THE AREA.
NOT JUST ENLISTED MILITARY FOLKS.
11:18:54AM >> I'LL REBUT AT THE END.
I WAS JUST GETTING AROUND HERE.
11:18:58AM >> GOOD MORNING, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
COLONEL McGHEE.
MISSION SUPPORT GROUP COMMANDER AT MACDILL AIR FORCE BASE.
NOT ONLY 28-YEAR VETERAN OF THE UNITED STATES AIR FORCE, I'M
ALSO A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY SINCE 1973.
I'VE SEEN A LOT OF GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT HERE.
I'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE VISITOR CONTROL CENTER AND
TRAFFIC.
TWO THINGS I'M FULLY RESPONSIBLE FOR.
I'VE NEVER SEEN THEM SO POPULAR BEFORE.
I CAN TELL YOU, BOTH OF THOSE THINGS YOU MENTIONED, NOBODY
WANTS TO BE IN THEM.

THEY DON'T WANT TO BE IN TRAFFIC.
THEY DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE VISITOR CONTROL CENTER.
I MOVE PEOPLE THROUGH THE VISITOR CONTROL CENTER.
I'M TRYING TO USE THE THEORY CONSTRAINT TO MOVE THEM THROUGH
IN UNDER TEN MINUTES.
DON'T WANT THEM AGGREGATING THERE.
DON'T WANT PEOPLE IN TRAFFIC.
IF YOU SAW THE TRAFFIC YESTERDAY AS ONE OF OUR MEMBERS
MENTIONED, I WAS THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.
I WAS RESPONSIBLE BECAUSE WE KEPT THE BAYSHORE GATE CLOSED
BECAUSE WE HAD PROBLEMS WITH BARRIERS.
THERE ARE ALWAYS OTHER REASONS WHY THINGS HAPPEN.
WHAT WE FOCUS ON IN THE MILITARY, WHEN IT COMES TO SAFETY,
WHICH, FOR ME, THERE ARE TWO THINGS HERE, SAFETY AND
RELATIONSHIPS.
I'LL FOCUS ON SAFETY FIRST.
FOR SAFETY, EVERYTHING IS MEASURED BASED -- YOU SHOULD KNOW
THIS FROM YOUR TIME AT THE FAA -- BASED ON PROBABILITY AND
SEVERITY OF RISK.
AIRCRAFT ACCIDENT, I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE NO MATTER WHERE
YOU SIT, AIRCRAFT ACCIDENT IS A TEN ON SEVERITY.
THE PROBABILITY USING HISTORY AT MacDILL IS PROBABLY A
ZERO OR EVEN A ONE.
BUT AS YOU START TO INCREASE THE PROBABILITY THAT ONE WILL
HAPPEN OVER TIME, DOVER AIR FORCE BASE, WE HAD AN F-16, BY

THE WAY, IN THIS COMMUNITY WHEN I WAS A MEMBER OF MACDILL
AIR FORCE BASE BACK IN THE '90s, F-16 WENT RIGHT THROUGH A
CESSNA, KILLED A MEMBER.
I GOT IT --
11:20:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WAS IN THE CONTROL ROOM THAT DAY.
11:20:50AM >> SOMEHOW WE'RE CONNECTED IN SOME OF THE CHAOS.
ALSO AS A MEMBER THAT SAT IN THE PORT MORTUARY DOVER,
DELAWARE, ONLY PORT MORTUARY IN THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE
AFTER AN AIRPLANE HIT A BUILDING CALLED THE PENTAGON, NOT
REALLY IMPRESSIVE TO SEE WHAT AN AIRPLANE DOES TO A HUMAN
BODY.
CAN I SHARE THAT WITH YOU -- I CAN SHARE THAT WITH YOU.
IF I SAID, HEY, COLONEL McGHEE IS ASKING ONE THING, I
DON'T THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE VOTED.
IF WE ARE AT AN IMPASSE WE RESOLVE IT BETWEEN OURSELVES.
HERE IS WHY.
THERE IS A VERY STRONG RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MYSELF AS A
MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY AND MYSELF AS A MEMBER OF THE UNITED
STATES AIR FORCE.
I SEE THAT AS WELL BETWEEN THE BASE AND THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WHEN I WALKED IN HERE, THERE WERE A BUNCH OF FLAGS ACROSS
THE STREET.
THE FIRST ONE WAS A U.S. FLAG, THEN A STATE FLAG, CITY FLAG
AND THEN I THINK IT SAID HILTON HOTEL.
EVERYTHING I'VE SEEN 28 YEARS FIGHTING WARS AND BATTLES IN

COMBAT, COMES DOWN TO THREE THINGS, FEAR, HONOR, AND
INTEREST.
MY INTEREST AS THE SUPPORT COMMANDER AT THAT BASE IS SAFETY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE INTEREST OF PUTTING A TRAILHEAD THERE,
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE INTEREST IS.
THERE ARE A MILLION OTHER PLACES.
AS A MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY, I CAN TELL YOU WHERE WE CAN
USE ANOTHER MILLION TRAILHEADS.
I'M NOT CONCERNED AS MUCH ABOUT THAT.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT IS THE PROBABILITY THAT GROWTH AND
DEVELOPMENT WILL CONTINUE TO THE POINT WHERE PROBABILITY
STARTS TO GO AS HIGH AS SEVERITY.
MY RECOMMENDATION IS LET US DISCUSS THE IMPASSE AND SEE IF
WE CAN COME TO A RESOLUTION ABOUT WHAT THIS TRAILHEAD,
PASS-THROUGH SHOULD LOOK LIKE.
IF WE CAN'T, THEN I WOULD RECOMMEND WE COME BACK ANOTHER
TIME AND SAY WE COULD NOT RESOLVE.
I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW TALKING TO MY TEAM, AND I HAVE A
MILLION OTHER THINGS, I'M TRYING TO GET A BASE OUT FROM
UNDERWATER, BUT THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF THE
RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY.
MacDILL HAS BEEN TO TWO BARRACKS, AND WE GOT THROUGH IT.
THEY ARE IMPORTANT AND SO ARE THE RELATIONSHIPS.
OVER 19,000 PEOPLE AND ABOUT $1.1 BILLION A YEAR OF SUPPORT
TO THIS COMMUNITY.

MacDILL IS THE COMMUNITY.
WHEN MacDILL SAYS WE HAVE A CONCERN WITH SAFETY AND WE
HAVE FOLKS THAT SAY WE WANT TO BRING IN A TRAILHEAD, LET US
TRY AND RESOLVE THAT BETWEEN US RATHER THAN BRING IT TO A
VOTE OF FOLKS WHO MAY NOT BE AS INTERESTED AS WE ARE.
11:23:14AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT BOTH SIDES HAVE
SAID.
POSSIBILITY, PROBABILITY, OR PROBABILITY, THERE IS A
POSSIBILITY, NO MATTER WHAT IT IS.
I THINK THAT WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR HERE AND LOOKING AT AND I
REMEMBER FROM THE LAST TIME WE MET, I THINK EVEN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD SAID WHY BUILD THE PARK.
NO ONE WILL BE THERE, SOMETHING TO THAT CONVERSATION.
I THINK THESE TWO INDIVIDUALS, BOTH SIDES, MACDILL AIR FORCE
BASE AND THE PETITIONER OUGHT TO MEET TOGETHER AND COME BACK
IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS.
I THINK POSSIBLY THIS COULD BE WORKED OUT.
I'M JUST THINKING FROM WHAT I HEARD ON BOTH SIDES.
I THINK THIS COULD BE RESOLVED IF THERE WAS NO PARK AND IT
WAS JUST A POINT TO GO FROM POINT A TO POINT B ON THE TRAIL
LIKE ORIGINALLY DESIGNED MANY YEARS BACK WHEN THERE WAS NO
TRAIL REALLY.
IT WAS JUST DESIGNED THAT WAY AND COMING TOGETHER NOW.
THAT'S JUST MY FEELING THAT I SEE BOTH SIDES ENERGIZED TO
RESOLVE THE PROBLEM.

LIKE WANTING TO GET MARRIED.
MAYBE YOU GOT TO GET DIVORCED ALSO.
WHAT I'M SAYING, I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE IT HUMOROUS.
TRYING TO MAKE THIS THING OPERATIONAL SO BOTH SIDES ARE
HAPPY AND MacDILL IS HAPPY AND SO IS THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:24:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
11:24:29AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU, CHAIR.
IF THE VISITOR CENTER WASN'T THERE AND THE MILITARY DIDN'T
HAVE A WAIVER FOR IT.
I REALLY, YOU KNOW, WOULDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE.
BUT BECAUSE IT IS THERE, IT'S HARD FOR YOU TO ARGUE ABOUT
SOMETHING THAT IS IN THE CLEAR ZONE, THAT IS A TRAILHEAD AND
A PARKING LOT.
HARD TO ARGUE THAT POINT AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO RUIN OUR RELATIONSHIP
WITH MACDILL AIR FORCE BASE BECAUSE WE MAKE A DECISION LIKE
THIS.
I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE STAFF HAS WORKED DILIGENTLY WITH
THESE FOLKS FOR THEM TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT IS
REASONABLE ALREADY, THAT HAS BEEN DONE.
THE MILITARY BASE, MacDILL IS JUST NOT WILLING TO BUDGE.
THAT'S WHAT SEEMS TO BE THE CASE FOR ME.
I THINK THEY HAVE GONE BACK TIME AND TIME AGAIN EVEN WITH
OUR STAFF TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT IS REASONABLE.
AND MacDILL IS NOT INTERESTED IN IT AT ALL.

THE THING THAT GETS THEM IN THE POSITION THAT THEY ARE IN
WHEN IT COMES TO SAFETY IS THAT THEY RECEIVED A WAIVER
WITHIN THEIR OWN ORGANIZATION TO JUSTIFY THE WELCOME CENTER
OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED.
BUT IT'S STILL A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CONGREGATE, EVEN IF THEY
ARE ONLY THERE FOR TEN MINUTES.
IT DOESN'T MATTER.
IT'S STILL PEOPLE THERE.
THAT'S WHERE THEY COME THROUGH IN LARGE NUMBERS TO ENTER THE
BASE.
IT'S HARD TO JUSTIFY, YOU KNOW, TAKING AWAY A PARKING LOT
AND NOT BUILDING A TRAILHEAD WHEN YOU HAVE FOLKS THERE ALL
THE TIME.
YET YOU GET TO CONTROL THAT SITUATION, OF COURSE, BECAUSE
YOU ARE THE MILITARY.
BUT IF YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY, THEN IF
THERE WERE A SITUATION THAT IS ADJACENT TO YOU ALL, YOU
WOULD INFORM THE COMMUNITY.
SO THAT'S HOW I SEE IT.
I THINK THE WORK HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE ON BEHALF OF THE CITY
WORKING WITH THESE FOLKS TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT'S
REASONABLE.
11:26:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
11:26:42AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
I HAVE A QUESTION TO THE PETITIONER, TO MR. GARDNER.

COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND I KNOW THAT WE HAD CONTINUED THIS TO
GIVE PEOPLE MORE TIME TO MEET, I THINK IF I COULD FORM A
NARRATIVE AND NOT ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE HERE ON THIS
NARRATIVE, I'M GOING TO SAY, IT SEEMS TO BE THAT YOUR
PROJECT IS VERY PASSIVE IN NATURE BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, WE
WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE CONCERNS.
I THINK A POSSIBLE MEANS TO ACHIEVE THAT GOAL, BECAUSE,
AGAIN, WITH THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE, I'M SUPPORTIVE.
WITH THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE.
BUT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA HAD TALKED ABOUT ADDITIONAL MEETINGS
TO AT LEAST GIVE THAT SOME DEFERENCE.
I PUT THAT OUT THERE, HOW WOULD YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT THAT?
11:27:26AM >> TRUETT GARDNER, FOR THE RECORD.
FIRST AND FOREMOST IT PAINS ME THAT WE'RE ON OPPOSITE SIDES
OF THE BASE.
I ALWAYS AND MY CLIENT HAVE ALWAYS VIEWED THIS AS REALLY IT
IS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, BUT TO ME IT IS A TRIPARTY
PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY OF TAMPA, MY CLIENT AND THE
BASE.
THAT SAID, IT WAS CONFOUNDING TO HAVE THIS MEETING LAST WEEK
WHERE THIS PARK HAS BEEN DESIGNED OR TRAILHEAD HAS BEEN
DESIGNED IN A VERY PASSIVE MANNER AND TO THROW OUT
ADDITIONAL IDEAS TO MAKE IT EVEN MORE PASSIVE ONLY TO
BASICALLY BE TOLD YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
I'M SAYING ALL THIS BECAUSE I THINK LIKE THE BASE CAN GIVE

THE WAIVER ON THE VISITOR CENTER, IT'S COUNCIL'S AUTHORITY
TO GRANT THIS APPROVAL BASED ON THE BASE'S RECOMMENDATION.
I THINK WHAT IS CONFOUNDING AND PERHAPS IF IT'S YOUR
PLEASURE, YOU CAN PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE GOING INTO THIS NEXT
MEETING WHICH I THINK WOULD BE FINE, BUT I WANT TO GO ALL
THE WAY BACK TO THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION.
THIS IS 2005 WHEN THE CITY RECEIVED THE PROPERTY AND
HIGHLIGHTED IN PINK, ONCE THE CITY HAS POSSESSION OF THE
LAND THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO UTILIZE OTHER GRANTS AND CITY
FUNDS TO DEVELOP THE LAND FOR ENVIRONMENTAL AND LOW DENSITY
RECREATIONAL PURPOSES.
FURTHER, THE ACQUISITION OF THIS LAND WILL PRESERVE THE
OPERATIONAL CAPABILITIES OF THE MacDILL LINE MISSION,
PROVIDE A GREENSPACE BUFFER BETWEEN THE BASE AND THE
COMMUNITY, AND PROVIDE MORE PARKS AND RECREATION PROPERTY TO
THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA.
THIS IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS PROPERTY.
THEN WE GET INTO -- I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, YOU HAD
A GREAT POINT ON TRAILHEAD, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE
TRYING TO DO.
NOT TRYING TO DO A PARK.
A TRAILHEAD AND THIS IS UNDER THE CITY OF TAMPA PARKS AND
RECREATION MASTER PLAN, IS DEFINED AS THE STARTING OR
DESTINATION POINTS FOR GREENWAY AND TRAIL USERS TYPICALLY
PROVIDING PARKING AND SUPPORT FACILITY.

AS MR. RODRIGUEZ SAID, THEY DID NOT WANT VERTICAL
DEVELOPMENT.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND USE POLICY, NO VERTICAL
DEVELOPMENT SHALL BE PERMITTED IN THE AREA, MAPPED ON THE
ADOPTED 2040 LAND USE MAP AS THE CLEAR ZONE.
WHEN WE THINK OF VERTICAL DEVELOPMENT AND REPRESENTING
DEVELOPERS, WE THINK OF F.A.R. AND BUILDINGS.
I THINK FURTHER THAN THAT, IT COULD BE RESTROOMS.
IT COULD BE PAVILIONS.
IT COULD BE THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
THIS WAS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO NOT HAVE ANY OF THOSE.
WE ARE TRYING TO CREATE A TRAILHEAD, AND WE WENT TO THE
BASE, TO THAT MEETING ON MONDAY IN THE SPIRIT OF COMPROMISE
TO EVEN MAKE THIS MORE PASSIVE.
I THINK THE FRUSTRATION THAT WE WERE HAVING AND MAYBE SOME
OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE HAVING, IS WE CAN'T SEEM TO GET
ANYWHERE.
WITH THAT AGAIN I'LL DEFER TO MY CLIENT ON THE WILLINGNESS
TO MEET.
I JUST WANTED TO PUT OUT THERE, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO COME
FROM AN UNREASONABLE POSITION.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO YES, BUT WE KEEP BEING MET WITH MORE
AND MORE OBSTACLES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET THROUGH.
11:30:24AM >> BRIAN FUNK, DEVELOPER.
I WANT TO ADD ONE THING TO THAT FOR CONTEXT.

IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
THE DEFENSIVE STRUCTURE GRANT APPLICATION FORM INCORPORATED
BY REFERENCE IN THE RESOLUTION 2005-699 BECAUSE IT IS THE
WAY THE CITY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IT MAKES THREE MATERIAL
STATEMENTS, WHICH SUPPORT THE PROPOSED PLAN BEFORE THE CITY
TODAY.
SECTION 4-1, QUESTION NUMBER FIVE, SUMMARY OF PROJECT
STATES, QUOTE, THE IDENTIFIED PARCELS ARE WITHIN THE CLEAR
ZONE OF MACDILL AIR FORCE BASE.
THIS WAS ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD AND CREATED THE EXCEPTION.
THEY WANT TO USE THE WORD EXCEPTING.
THIS EXCEPTION ALREADY BEEN CREATED.
I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY BEING HERE.
I FEEL LIKE THAT IS SORT OF THE ONE-ARM FISHERMAN THAT
CAUGHT THE FISH THIS BIG, WHILE WE DON'T DENY THE CLEAR ZONE
AS APPLICATION, THAT IS AN INCOMPLETE PART OF THE STORY.
SORRY WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET TOGETHER SOONER.
THAT CARVES OUT THE EXEMPTION.
DELIBERATED ON, LOWEST INTENSITY USE WE COULD COME UP WITH.
IN THE EVENT THAT THE PARTIES, INTENT OF THE PARTIES WASN'T
ALREADY SPECIFICALLY STATED, CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS,
SAME BOOK REFERENCED BY MR. RODRIGUEZ STATES TITLE 32,
SECTION 256.3, C-3, AIR INSTALLATION COMPATIBLE USE ZONES,
FOLLOWING DESCRIPTIONS OF ACCIDENT POTENTIAL ZONES ARE
GUIDELINES ONLY.

STRICT APPLICATION WOULD RESULT IN INCREASING THE SAFETY OF
THE GENERAL PUBLIC BUT WOULD NOT PROVIDE COMPLETE PROTECTION
AGAINST THE EFFECTS OF AIRCRAFT ACCIDENTS.
SUCH A DEGREE OF PROTECTION IS PROBABLY IMPOSSIBLE TO
ACHIEVE.
SAFETY IS A RELATIVE TERM, END QUOTE.
SOMETHING FOR YOU GUYS TO THINK ABOUT.
MULTIPLE LAYERS OF LATITUDE TO EFFECTUATE THIS.
THIS IS LOW INTENSITY.
WE ALREADY MET WITH THEM.
WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS TWO YEARS CANDIDLY.
IT WAS A VERY UNREASONABLE APPROACH.
WE FEEL THIS IS REASONABLE.
NOT DOING ANYTHING TO DENY THE MILITARY.
BOTH GRANDFATHERS FULL COLONELS.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO ANYTHING TO DISRESPECT --
EXCUSE ME, NICE CRESCENDO FROM WHAT IS THE HOTEL COMPONENT
WHICH AGAIN IS FOR THE BASE.
WE HAVE NOTHING BUT YOU GUYS IN MIND.
THAT'S WHO OUR CUSTOMER IS.
SECOND HOTEL THAT YOU MENTIONED, JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO
THIS WITHOUT THE PARK THE REASON, IT CLEANS UP THE AREA --
REASON WHY WE DO IT, IT CLEANS UP THE AREA AND HELPS US
PERHAPS ADD SURFACE PARKING.
NOT TO SAY WE CAN'T GO BACK, PROPOSE A BUILDING WITH PARKING

UNDERNEATH, REQUEST A WAIVER AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE NOT GOING
TO DO THIS PARK AND LOOK LIKE THAT FOREVER.
THIS IS A REALLY GOOD DEAL FOR THE CITY, FOR THE BASE, FOR
EVERYBODY.
SCALED IT DOWN A LOT.
TELL SOMEBODY THEY CAN'T BE TIRED OVER THERE.
WE'RE SPLITTING HAIRS HERE.
SOMEBODY IS GOING TO USE THIS PROPERTY ANYWAY.
SITTING THERE IN ABEYANCE.
HERE I AM TRYING TO DO SOMETHING FOR THE CITY.
I'M NOT SURE WHY THERE IS A PROBLEM.
DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE A PROBLEM UNDER THE GUIDANCE OF THE
RESOLUTION.
OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS.
11:33:42AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
TWO THINGS.
TWO ITEMS, 67 AND 68, APPEARS TO BE TRAVELING TOGETHER.
THESE ARE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT COUNCIL DOES DO TAKE PUBLIC
COMMENTS ON BOTH THE ITEMS.
YOU CAN COMBINE THEM AND DO THAT.
ANOTHER REMINDER, COUNCIL, YOU HAVE AN 11:45 TIME CERTAIN.
11:34:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
11:34:02AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TWO HOPEFULLY QUICK QUESTIONS.
BRIAN, THE SUGGESTION FROM MacDILL IS THAT YOU ALL MEET
AND COME BACK.

11:34:12AM >> WE JUST DID.
11:34:13AM >>BILL CARLSON:
DO YOU HAVE TIME DEADLINES THAT WOULD
PROHIBIT THAT OR IS IT OKAY TO COME BACK?
11:34:21AM >> WE JUST MET WITH THEM THREE DAYS AGO.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT WILL CHANGE TO BE HONEST.
CANDIDLY, WHY IT'S COMING UP NOW THE RESOLUTION, KIND OF
QUESTION THE URGENCY OF THIS.
I SAW AN E-MAIL FROM MR. RODRIGUEZ AUGUST 24.
FIRST READING WAS SEPTEMBER 5.
WE DIDN'T EVEN GET AN OBJECTION.
SECOND READING WAS SEPTEMBER 19.
DIDN'T GET THE OBJECTION TILL THE EVENING OF SEPTEMBER 18.
I COULD HAVE COME TO THE READING TWO WEEKS AGO PREPARED LIKE
THIS BUT WASN'T.
WE HAD TO GO DIGGING TO CONFIRM WHAT WE ALREADY KNEW, WHICH
IT HAS BEEN PROVIDED -- YOU'RE HONORING THE ORIGINAL AGREED
TO AGREEMENT.
MAYOR IORIO SIGNED IT.
I'M PROVIDING THE FUNDING.
11:35:04AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO ASK MacDILL QUESTION.
DO YOU OR TRUETT HAVE A LAYOUT OR MAP OF THE PROPERTY?
11:35:13AM >> YES.
11:35:13AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHILE HE'S DOING THAT, TO MacDILL, THEY
HAVE ONE HOTEL ALREADY APPROVED.
THERE IS A SECOND HOTEL HE'S PROPOSING.

AS YOU SAID, IT WILL GO THROUGH A DIFFERENT PROCESS.
THAT WILL BE SUBJECT TO FAA APPROVAL.
11:35:28AM >> SPEAK TO THAT SO NOBODY IS FREAKED OUT.
LET'S ASSUME THE BIGGEST USE, THAT WAY WE KNOW WHAT PARKING
NEEDS ARE.
WE CAN ALWAYS DO LESS, BUT IF NEED MORE AND COULD HAVE GONE
BIGGER --
11:35:40AM >>BILL CARLSON:
POINT IS THAT IS A SEPARATE PROCESS.
MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE PARK.
MY COLLEAGUE MENTIONED SELLING OR TRANSFERRING LET'S SAY
WHAT WE WERE CALLING A PARK OR TRAILHEAD, LET'S SAY 100%
CONTROL TO MacDILL.
WHERE IS THE ONE THAT HAS THE TRIANGLE GOING ACROSS IT THAT
SHOWS THE CLEAR ZONE?
LET'S SAY THERE'S NO AMENITIES WHATSOEVER --
11:36:21AM >> I HAVE MR. RODRIGUEZ AS WELL AS THE AIRSPACE ANALYSIS.
11:36:26AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE QUESTION TO MacDILL.
LET'S SAY YOU ALL HAVE HUNDRED PERCENT CONTROL OVER THAT
PROPERTY, WHAT WE WERE CALLING A PARK OR TRAILHEAD AND YOU
CAN DECIDE EXACTLY WHAT WOULD GO IN THERE.
REALLY, THE QUESTION IS, THIS SMALL CORNER OF PARKING SPACES
AND I THINK THE DEVELOPER, THEY ARE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING
NICE AS AN AMENITY FOR THE CITY, BUT WHAT THEY ARE REALLY
INTERESTED LONG TERM IS HAVING PARKING FOR EXISTING OR
FUTURE HOTEL.

THEIR ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE TO GO OUTSIDE THAT TRIANGLE AND
BUILD A MULTISTORY PARKING STRUCTURE THAT WOULD BE
IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO IT.
IF WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT IS SAFE, THERE IS A DEFINED CLEAR
ZONE BUT ACCIDENTS DON'T ALWAYS STAY WITHIN THOSE
DEFINITIONS.
WOULD IT BE PREFERABLE TO MacDILL TO HAVE SOME SURFACE
-- A FEW SURFACE SPACES THERE OR TO HAVE JUST OUTSIDE THE
CLEAR ZONE A MULTISTORY PARKING STRUCTURE AND THEN IS THERE
ANY WAY THAT MacDILL WOULD, IF GIVEN TOTAL CONTROL OVER
WHAT GOES ON THE GREENSPACE, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT
MacDILL WOULD EVER BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION
THAT WOULD ALLOW STATIONARY CARS WITHOUT PEOPLE IN THEM?
11:37:50AM >> CHRIS PARKER AGAIN.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON THE CLEAR ZONE, APZ 1, OUR
POSITION IS ESSENTIALLY, AND IT HAS BEEN THE COMPROMISE, IS
THE TRAILHEAD.
WE PREFER THAT.
IF YOU READ THAT STUDY, ESSENTIALLY IT SAYS THOSE SHOULD BE
OPEN SPACES IN THE CLEAR ZONE OR AGRICULTURAL.
GOING BACK TO 2005 IS WE THOUGHT THE INTENDED USE.
I DON'T THINK WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PURCHASE.
IT'S NOT AN EASY PROCESS BECAUSE OF FUNDING AND
APPROPRIATIONS.
BUT OUR USE WOULD BE EITHER TO HAVE IT AS IS OR IF IT IS A

CONNECTION TO THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT TRAILHEAD, WE WOULD
PREFER THAT.
AS TO YOUR QUESTION, THE CLEAR ZONE IS THE AREA WHERE OUR
RECOMMENDATION IS STRONGEST.
IT'S WE WANT TO KEEP THAT CLEAR.
IT'S IN THE NAME FOR A REASON.
OUTSIDE OF THAT, I THINK OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, HEY,
THERE ARE CONCERNS, AND WE TELL YOU THAT RISK.
BUT WE WOULD BE MORE OKAY WITH THAT.
THIS CLEAR ZONE, ESPECIALLY THAT PARKING AND THEN OBVIOUSLY
A TRAIL THAT'S NOT KIND OF THE AGREED TO FROM THE LAST 20
YEARS USE OF THE CLEAR ZONE, IS WHAT WE'RE TAKING AN ISSUE
WITH.
11:39:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOR THE MILITARY, WERE YOU GUYS AWARE,
BEFORE YOU STARTED THIS OBJECTION, ABOUT WHEN THE LAND WAS
ORIGINALLY TRANSFERRED THAT THESE QUESTIONS WERE BASICALLY
ASKED AND ANSWERED AT THAT POINT, THAT THE USE -- THE
VERBIAGE OF PARK AND THE VERBIAGE THAT WAS PRESENTED EARLIER
TODAY, WERE YOU GUYS AWARE OF ALL THAT?
11:39:30AM >> BACK IN THE 2005 TIME FRAME WHEN WE WORKED WITH THE CITY
TO GET THE STATE FUNDS TO PURCHASE THE LAND, WE HAD AN
ACTIVE DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA ON THE GREENWAYS
AND TRAILS ALIGNMENT ALONG THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE
BASE, AND WE SAW THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO
CONTINUE THE GREENWAYS AND TRAILS ACROSS DALE MABRY AND MAKE

THAT CONNECTION BETWEEN PINEWOOD AND MARCUM SO THEY COULD
CONTINUE ALONG THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE BASE.
11:40:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERBIAGE AGREED UPON INCLUDED PARKING,
PARKS.
11:40:04AM >> I BELIEVE THE PARKS AND REC REFERENCE WAS DUE TO THE FACT
THAT WE WERE WORKING WITH THE PARKS AND RECREATION
DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THEY RAN THE GREENWAYS AND TRAILS
PROGRAM.
AS FAR AS THE OTHER GRANTS THAT WERE REFERRED TO IN THE
PREVIOUS STUFF ON THE ELMO.
SO THERE WAS SOMETHING CALLED THE C.M.A.Q., CONGESTION
MITIGATION AIR QUALITY GRANT PROGRAM, AND THAT'S HOW THEY
WERE FUNDING A LOT OF THE GREENWAYS AND TRAILS.
THE C.M.A.Q. PROGRAM KIND OF DRIED UP.
THERE'S NO MORE FUNDING FOR THAT.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY SIGNIFICANT ACTIVITY AROUND
MACDILL WITH GREENWAYS AND TRAILS.
HOPING THAT THE ONE CENT TRANSPORTATION TAX WAS GOING TO
HELP US OUT AND REINVIGORATE THE TRAIL PROGRAM.
WANT TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION.
CERTAINLY, WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE CITY BECAUSE WE HAVE A
25-YEAR LEASE ALONG OUR NORTHERN BOUNDARY.
WE HAVE TALKED TO PARKS AND REC ABOUT DOING SOMETHING AT THE
NORTHWESTERN CORNER OF THE BASE.
TRYING TO GET THAT CONNECTION FROM MacDILL OVER TO

PICNIC ISLAND.
11:41:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THE COMPETENT AND
SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IS THIS QUESTION WAS ASKED AND ANSWERED
IN 2005.
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AS FAR AS THE USE OF THE PROPERTY.
THE USE OF THE PROPERTY QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED AND
ANSWERED.
NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BENEFIT AGREEMENT, NOT
NECESSARILY THE USE.
11:41:29AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE RECORD, JUST A
REMINDER, THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS NOT TIED
TO A REZONING.
IT IS NOT QUASI-JUDICIAL.
IT IS A LEGISLATIVE MATTER.
11:41:45AM >> CAN I GET 30 SECONDS, PLEASE?
11:41:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE SUCH LITTLE TIME.
11:41:50AM >> I HAVE A MUST SAY AND CAN SAY.
MUST SAY, THANKS TO YOUR FAMILY FOR SERVICE.
I NEVER MET HIM BEFORE.
BEEN ON THE GROUND 90 DAYS AS MISSION SUPPORT GROUP
COMMANDER AND I AM WILLING TO SIT DOWN AND COME TO A
RESOLUTION.
I'M ASKING FOR TIME TO SIT DOWN.
THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING.
I HAVE NEVER MET WITH THEM UNTIL NOW.

THREE DAYS AGO I WAS IN MISSION ESSENTIAL TRYING TO GET
ELECTRICITY AND WASTEWATER TO WORK AT THE BASE SO WE COULD
BRING OUR FOLKS BACK ON.
THAT WAS THE PRIORITY.
THIS IS NOW TAKING MY PRIORITY.
I'M ASKING FOR TWO WEEKS TO GET IT IN MY CALENDAR OR I CAN
SIT DOWN WITH THEM, INVITE THEM ON TO THE BASE, GET THEM
THROUGH THE VISITOR CENTER IN LESS THAN TEN MINUTES, BRING
THEM ON THE BASE AND THEN SIT DOWN WITH OUR TEAM TO SEE IF
WE CAN COME TO A RESOLUTION WITHOUT ANY OTHER FOLKS BEING
INVOLVED SAYING NO, NO, YOU HAVE TO DO IT THIS WAY.
BECAUSE WE BOTH GO AWAY UPSET.
I THINK WE CAN COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS TO SAY WE'VE COME TO A
RESOLUTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT.
11:42:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:42:56AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
[INAUDIBLE] PUBLIC COMMENT SO THAT WE CAN
HAVE THE TWO PARTIES -- I THINK THEY ARE COMING VERY CLOSE
TO A MARRIAGE HERE.
I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE THE BEST INTEREST OF BOTH SIDES TO
HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.
WE'VE HAD ENOUGH DETAILS TODAY TO FILL A RECORD BOOK.
BUT I THINK BOTH PARTIES I CAN SEE BY THE SMILE ON THE FACE,
CHANGE ATTITUDE.
LOOK AT BODY LANGUAGE AND THEY ARE READY.

11:43:21AM >> ONE MORE THING IN THE RECORD THAT WAS MISSING AND I THINK
IT IS IMPORTANT CONTEXTUALLY IS THE AIRSPACE ANALYSIS.
DONE BY THE FAA.
THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL OVERLAY.
WHILE THE CLEAR ZONE OPERATES IN A BOX, TWO DIMENSIONS, WHAT
THIS TAKES INTO ACCOUNT I GUESS IS AS A PLANE DESCENDS, THE
LIKELIHOOD IT WOULD CRASH IN THE AREA.
THESE LINES ARE TEN FOOT INCREMENTS.
IT'S SAYING AT THIS CORNER RIGHT HERE, GO TO 79 FEET.
WHAT WE'RE SAYING TODAY IT IS A BRIDGE TOO FAR TO PUT SOME
BENCHES AND CARS HERE.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
THAT IS SUCH A QUANTUM LEAP.
11:44:05AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU ALL CAN WORK IT OUT SOMEHOW.
THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY.
11:44:12AM >> YES, SIR.
THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO.
11:44:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
17th LOOKS LIKE IT IS OPEN.
AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT, PROBABLY MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE TO
OCTOBER 17.
11:44:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND BUT WE HAVE
PUBLIC COMMENT.
MS. POYNOR, COME ON UP.
THIS IS ON THE CONTINUANCE.
11:44:33AM >> GOOD MORNING.

STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT IF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE
BASE HAD BEEN NOTIFIED AT LEAST 30 DAYS IN ADVANCE AS WITH
EVERY OTHER LAND USE CHANGE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, WE
WOULDN'T BE PLAYING LAND DEVELOPMENT AT CITY COUNCIL.
THIS IS A PROBLEM CREATED BY OUR CURRENT CODE, THAT THE CITY
COUNCIL OR THE CITY ATTORNEYS COULD MAKE THIS DEAL WITH NO
INPUT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS, NO INPUT FROM ONE OF OUR
LARGEST ECONOMIC ENGINES IN THE CITY.
I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR FIVE YEARS FOR SOUTH OF GANDY.
I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYBODY SHOW UP IN UNIFORM BEFORE.
MR. RODRIGUEZ HAS ONLY BEEN HERE ONCE BEFORE TO MY KNOWLEDGE
TO SAY ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT ANY OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO AT THIS POINT, I COMPLETELY SUPPORT THIS CHANGE AND I
ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT TO EVERYONE UP HERE, MR. CLENDENIN IS
THE ONLY PERSON WHO GETS A PAYCHECK FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA
WHO KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT ANY OF THIS.
SO YOU HAVE NO EXPERTS FROM THE CITY WHO HAVE WEIGHED IN ON
THIS.
JUST LIKE WHEN WE HAD TO DEAL WITH CHEMICAL FORMULATORS, YOU
HAD NO EXPERTS TO ADVISE YOU PROPERLY.
I DON'T CARE WHAT REAL ESTATE SAID, THEY ARE NOT EXPERTS IN
FLIGHT ZONES.
ONLY PERSON WHO IS MR. CLENDENIN.
I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO POINT OUT TO YOU THAT THE DOD IN THEIR

LITTLE OFFICE OUTSIDE THE GATE, GUESS WHAT, IF A PLANE
CRASHES INTO IT, THE DOD HAS A WHOLE HELL OF A LOT MORE
MONEY THAN THE COT.
YOU JUST SET YOURSELVES UP.
IF YOU VOTED FOR THIS TODAY, YOU WOULD BE SETTING YOURSELVES
UP FOR LAWSUITS IF IT EVER DOES HAPPEN.
JUST LIKE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID JUST A LITTLE BIT AGO, MY
FIRST THOUGHT WAS, THINGS THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD NEVER, EVER
HAPPENED, HAPPENED IN THE LAST SEVEN DAYS.
WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
I THINK THAT THESE FOLKS NEED TIME TO SIT DOWN AT THE TABLE.
YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM TIME TO WORK ON THAT.
BUT THIS NEEDS TO CHANGE.
THIS IS A FLAWED PROCESS.
DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS SHOULD NOT BE DONE IN THE DARK
WITHOUT NOTIFYING THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE ECONOMIC ENGINES
THAT RESIDE NEXT TO THEM.
THANK YOU.
11:46:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYBODY ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE -- WAIT.
YES, SIR, COME ON UP.
11:47:00AM >> MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
WELL INTENDED AND NICE PEOPLE THAT SIT UP THERE, HONORABLE,
DECENT PEOPLE.

THEY ARE DECENT FOLKS.
AND ANYBODY WHO SITS IN THOSE CHAIRS, IN THOSE EIGHT CHAIRS
SPECIFICALLY ARE REALLY NICE AND DECENT INDIVIDUALS.
THEY ARE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, IRRESPECTIVE
OF WHAT THEY BELIEVE OR THEIR POLITICAL PERSUASION OR
ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
SO IT MUST BE THE CHAIRS.
IT MUST BE SOMETHING ABOUT THE CHAIRS THAT MAKES THEM
COMPLETELY STUPID.
IT MUST BE WHEN THEY SIT IN THE CHAIRS THEY BECOME STUPID.
ANY PERSON TALK ABOUT ANYTHING OFF OF MACDILL AIR FORCE BASE
IN REFERENCE TO A SAFETY HAZARD, IT'S LIKE THE MECHANIC
TELLING YOU, HEY, MAN, DON'T DRIVE THE CAR.
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, HEY, DON'T DO THAT.
IT'S A FIRE HAZARD.
A MILITARY ORGANIZATION IS TELLING YOU, HEY, THAT'S NOT A
GOOD IDEA AND SOMEONE WHO HAS PROBABLY NEVER BEEN IN THAT
AREA -- I LIVE DIRECTLY OUTSIDE THE BASE ON BAYSHORE
BOULEVARD, OFF OF BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
IF YOU SEE THE TRAFFIC THERE, OFF OF MacDILL OR OFF OF
DALE MABRY, IT'S STUPID FOR ANYONE TO THINK THAT IF SOMEONE
IS ADVISING YOU WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OF, HEY, DON'T DO IT OR
GO SLOW, THE CITY IS ALWAYS WITH THE CRAZINESS, IT MORE THAN
LIKELY THE BACKGROUND STORY IS A DEVELOPER IS TELLING YOU,
HEY, THIS IS HOW IT'S GOING TO START.

NEXT THING YOU KNOW, LOOKS LIKE CONCRETE JUNGLE LIKE SOUTH
TAMPA RIGHT NOW.
RAIN, DIFFERENT PROBLEMS, LIKE REAL ISSUES.
WHO WOULD THINK WHAT HAPPENED ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
IT'S NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF THE STORM, IT'S BECAUSE OF
DEVELOPMENT.
AND THERE'S NO PROPER DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
NO PROPER PLANNING SYSTEM.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A BASE WHERE WE'RE TALKING MAYBE HAVE
TO EVACUATE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, IT CAN'T BE THE RATIONALE
OF THE INDIVIDUALS BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL GOOD-HEARTED AND
GOOD-INTENDED AND HERE TO SERVE THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
IT MUST BE THE CHAIRS THAT DO SOMETHING.
A LOT OF GOOD PARENTS AND A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE OUT THERE.
A LOT OF GOOD CHRISTIAN PEOPLE OUT THERE, BUT IT MUST BE
WHEN THEY GO TO THE STRIP CLUBS AND PROSTITUTES DO SOMETHING
TO THEM AND THE DANCERS.
11:49:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
ALL RIGHT.
THERE IS A MOTION TO CONTINUE WITH A SECOND.
TO OCTOBER 17.
WHAT IS THE TIME?
11:49:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
10:30.
11:50:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR,

33602.
11:50:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
11:50:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M THE SECONDER OF THE MOTION.
11:50:10AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MAKER OF THE MOTION, WITH REGARD TO TIME
CERTAIN, YOU SAW WHAT WE HAD TO DO TODAY, STOP AT 10:30 TO
TAKE THE ITEM UP.
11:50:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIRD TIME, I THINK IT IS A REASONABLE
THING TO DO.
11:50:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
11:50:28AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I OPPOSE.
11:50:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY NAY?
11:50:30AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
NAY.
11:50:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO THE MOTION MAKER WAS COUNCIL MEMBER
CLENDENIN, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
IT WAS 6-1 WITH HENDERSON VOTING NO.
11:50:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WOULD BE 67 AND 68.
11:50:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. SHELBY, WE HAVE A HARD STOP RIGHT
NOW.
CAN WE PICK UP WHEN WE COME BACK FROM LUNCH WITH PUBLIC
COMMENT?
11:50:57AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE ANSWER IS, YOU ADOPTED YOUR AGENDA
TODAY WITH A HARD STOP AT 11:45.
YOU'RE AT THAT POINT.

YOUR QUESTION NOW IS, DO YOU WANT TO THEN TAKE WHATEVER --
ITEM 70 -- TAKE THAT UP.
THEN WHAT HAPPENS, YOU WANT TO TAKE INSTEAD OF THE 1:30,
1:30 IS NOT A TIME CERTAIN.
IF YOU MAKE THE ANNOUNCEMENT THAT YOU'LL TAKE --
11:51:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE'LL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT IMMEDIATELY
WHEN WE COME BACK FROM LUNCH.
11:51:25AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT'S CONTINUED.
11:51:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
AT THIS TIME, IF WE COULD JUST PAY ATTENTION TO THE TV
SCREENS UP ABOVE.
OH, YES.
11:51:49AM >> I'VE KNOWN CHARLIE OVER 50 YEARS.
WE WERE RAISED IN THE SAME YBOR CITY NEIGHBORHOOD CHARLIE
LIVED IN, WHAT WE CALL THE PROJECTS WHICH IS BASICALLY
SUBSIDIZED HOUSING.
I WAS A BLOCK AWAY FROM CHARLIE.
HAD TWO BEAUTIFUL SISTERS.
I HAPPENED TO GO THROUGH SCHOOL FIFTH GRADE THROUGH THE
12th GRADE WITH HIS YOUNGER CITY YVONNE.
[VIDEO SHOWN WITH CAPTIONS]
[ APPLAUSE ]
11:58:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO YOU HAD ONE OR TWO PEOPLE THAT CARE
ABOUT YOU SHOW UP.
11:58:24AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WELL, I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.

BUT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DEBATE ME ON THAT TAX?
11:58:28AM >> NO, SIR, I WOULD NOT.
11:58:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO NAME
THE STADIUM AFTER HIM.
[ LAUGHTER ]
11:58:35AM >> WE'LL JUST KEEP IT MOVING HERE.
IT IS SUCH AN HONOR FOR ME AND EVERYONE ELSE IN THIS ROOM
HERE, CHARLIE, WE PAID NO ONE TO SHOW UP.
11:58:45AM >> I DID.
11:58:45AM >>MAYOR CASTOR:
OKAY.
THERE YOU GO WITHOUT A DOUBT.
WHAT AN OCCASION.
TOMORROW IT WILL BE OCTOBER 4, 1974 IS WHEN A VERY YOUNG
CHARLIE MIRANDA WALKED IN, WAS SWORN IN AND TOOK A SEAT ON
THAT VERY DAIS.
SERVED SAME SEAT, MAYBE THE SAME CHAIR -- WELL, WE'VE
CHANGED CHAIRS A FEW TIMES.
BUT ANYWAY, WE DO WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU ON THAT
INCREDIBLE, INCREDIBLE ACCOMPLISHMENT.
FOR THREE OF THE FIVE DECADES YOU HAVE SERVED THIS
COMMUNITY, AND YOU HAVE DONE THAT WITH A LEVEL OF CIVILITY,
RESPECT, DIGNITY.
YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN KNOWN TO BE THE INDIVIDUAL THAT ISN'T
AFRAID TO COMPROMISE.
YOU LISTEN TO EVERYONE.

YOU KNOW THIS CITY.
YOU KNOW THE ISSUES THAT AFFECT THE COMMUNITY.
AND QUITE OFTEN YOU ARE THE VOICE OF REASON.
EXCEPT WHEN IT COMES TO BASEBALL.
YOU REALLY ARE.
IT IS TRUE WHAT THE INDIVIDUALS SAID BEFORE, AND THAT IS
ALWAYS ON YOUR SIGN.
WHO CARES?
CHARLIE CARES.
AND PEOPLE KNOW THAT AND THEY RESPECT THAT AND THEY ADMIRE
YOU FOR IT.
I SPEAK FOR MYSELF, BUT I THINK I SPEAK FOR A LOT OF OTHERS.
I HAVE LEARNED SO MUCH FROM YOU ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF
BEING KIND, OF LISTENING, AND YOUR DUTIES AS A LEADER, THOSE
RESPONSIBILITIES TO WORK HARD EVERY DAY, TO LIFT OUR CITY
UP, AND TO GROW IT TO THE POTENTIAL THAT WE KNOW THAT IT
HAS.
SO I PERSONALLY WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
I KNOW EVERYONE IS HERE TO THANK YOU AS WELL.
BUT I KNOW THAT COUNCIL HAS SOME INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT
BUSINESS TO DO HERE.
12:00:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO ITEM NUMBER 70, IF YOU LOOKED AT THE
AGENDA, THIS IS AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST
READING.
IT'S APPROVING THE NAMING OF THE BRICK PLAZA AND COURTYARD,

WHICH IS RIGHT OUTSIDE --
12:01:00PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SECOND.
I WANTED TO SECOND.
[ LAUGHTER ]
12:01:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BETWEEN OLD CITY HALL AND TAMPA
MUNICIPAL OFFICE BUILDING OUTSIDE TO BE NAMED CHARLIE
MIRANDA PLAZA IN HONOR OF COUNCILMAN CHARLIE MIRANDA AND HIS
ALMOST 30 YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE CITY OF TAMPA AND ITS
CITIZENS AS A MEMBER OF THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL AND COMMUNITY
LEADER.
WHO WOULD LIKE TO READ?
12:01:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE TO EXCUSE MYSELF.
I MIGHT BE CONTRADICTING SOME LAW.
[ LAUGHTER ]
12:01:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
12:01:34PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
JEFFERSON DRAGON TERRITORY HERE.
WITH GREAT PLEASURE, FILE NUMBER HL24-9126, AN ORDINANCE
BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, APPROVING THE NAME OF THE
BRICK PLAZA AND COURTYARD LOCATED BETWEEN OLD CITY HALL AND
THE TAMPA MUNICIPAL OFFICE BUILDING AS THE "CHARLIE MIRANDA
PLAZA" IN HONOR OF COUNCILMAN CHARLIE MIRANDA, JEFFERSON
DRAGON, AND HIS ALMOST 30 YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE CITY OF
TAMPA AND ITS CITIZENS AS A MEMBER OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL AND
AS A COMMUNITY LEADER, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE NUNC PRO

TUNC AS OF OCTOBER 3, 2024.
12:02:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
12:02:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AYE.
[ LAUGHTER ]
LET ME JUST SAY THIS, WHEN SHE SAID JEFFERSON DRAGON, PEOPLE
ASK ALL THE TIME, WHAT SCHOOL YOU GO TO?
GO TO HIGH SCHOOL?
I SAY I NEVER WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL.
I WENT TO JEFFERSON.
THE REASON FOR THAT, ONLY THREE HIGH SCHOOLS, HILLSBOROUGH,
PLANT, JEFFERSON.
WE HAD TO COMPETE IN TRACK.
DIDN'T HAVE A TRACK TO RUN ON BUT WE HAD TO COMPETE.
COMPETE IN BASEBALL.
DIDN'T HAVE A BASEBALL DIAMOND AT JEFFERSON.
BEFORE I GOT THERE, THE BASKETBALL GUYS AND GIRLS, THEY
DIDN'T HAVE A BASKETBALL GYM.
THEY HAD TO PRACTICE IN THE DORMITORY, A STAGE ABOUT THE
SIZE OF THIS ROOM HERE.
WE WERE ALWAYS UNDERRATED BUT WE WON A FEW, BUT IT'S AN
HONOR TO BE HERE.
HONOR TO HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET SO MANY GOOD

PEOPLE ALL MY LIFE.
I WAS VERY HONORED WHEN I FIRST GOT ELECTED IN '74 THAT I
WORKED WITH CATHY BARJA, THE FIRST FEMALE EVER ELECTED, AND
THEN I WORKED WITH THE TWINS.
JAN PLATT AND SANDY FREEDMAN.
DUNCAN SAID HE COULDN'T READ.
HE WOULD GIVE IT TO SANDY.
SANDY PASSED TO ME.
AT THAT TIME YOU COULDN'T SAY I PASS 1 THROUGH 80.
YOU HAD TO READ EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY.
I READ THE WHOLE THING AND HAND IT BACK TO HIM AND HE TELLS
ME, DID YOU SEE THE BEAUTIFUL GIRL IN THE SECOND ROW?
I THOUGHT YOU TOLD ME YOU COULDN'T READ AND COULDN'T SEE.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS I REMEMBER IN FREEDMAN AND PLATT.
HONOR TO SERVE WITH ALL THE INDIVIDUALS.
IT'S LIKE REALLY LIKE A DREAM.
50 YEARS IS A LONG TIME, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT REALITY, IT IS
A BLINK OF AN EYE.
PASSES SO QUICKLY.
YOU HAVE TO ENJOY YOURSELF.
MAKE SURE YOU DON'T HURT ANYBODY'S FEELINGS.
GO OUT AND LIVE YOUR LIFE BECAUSE IT IS A SHORT PERIOD OF
TIME.
12:04:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LET ME SAY THAT PEOPLE ASK ME, HOW DID
YOU GET INVOLVED IN THE CITY?

WHEN YOU RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL, YOU AND PAM IORIO AND THE
MAYOR WERE THE FIRST TWO PEOPLE I TALKED TO THAT INSPIRED ME
TO RUN.
AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
CONGRATULATIONS.
12:04:34PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THAT IS SO BEAUTIFUL, GUIDO.
[ LAUGHTER ]
[ APPLAUSE ]
12:04:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GOT TO ANNOUNCE THE VOTE AND THE SECOND
READING.
12:04:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WE SHOULD RECOGNIZE THAT FOR
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA TO HAVE THIS TYPE OF GROUP SHOW UP FOR
HIM, I LOOK OUT IN THE AUDIENCE AND I SEE BUSINESS LEADERS,
SOME OF THE POWERHOUSE ATTORNEYS IN THE AUDIENCE.
FORMER STATE SENATOR.
WE HAVE AT LEAST THREE FORMER MAYORS AND A CURRENT MAYOR.
DEPARTMENT HEADS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I MEAN, THIS IS A WHO'S WHO.
CONGRESS WOMAN KATHY CASTOR SITTING BACK THERE PRETTY IN RED
AS ALWAYS.
THAT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE, CHARLIE.
I AM VERY APPRECIATIVE OF BEING ABLE TO SERVE ON COUNCIL
WITH YOU AND TO LEARN FROM YOU, TO ABSORB SOME OF YOUR
WISDOM.
AND TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO GIVE SOME OF MY SENSE OF HUMOR TO

YOU SINCE YOU SO LACK IT.
IT'S A GIVE AND RECEIVE RELATIONSHIP HERE.
12:05:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WE GO TO THE SAME BARBER.
12:05:48PM >>MAYOR CASTOR:
I WILL SAY WE'RE NOT DONE, ALTHOUGH CHARLIE
SERVED FOR 50 YEARS, I DON'T THINK THAT THE OUTDOOR
FESTIVITIES ARE GOING TO GO ON FOR 50 YEARS, BUT WE ARE
GOING TO GO DOWNSTAIRS FOR LUNCH WITH EVERYONE.
AND WE HAVE SOME FURTHER COMMEMORATIONS DOWN THERE AND GIFTS
TO PROVIDE TO CHARLIE FOR HIS YEARS OF SERVICE.
DID YOU NEED TO READ SOMETHING?
12:06:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF I MAY, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO
EVERYONE HERE WHO CAME.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, LIKE TO INTRODUCE MY FAMILY.
WOULD YOU STAND UP?
[ APPLAUSE ]
IN THE BACK, YOU HAVE RYAN AND LUKE AND YOU HAVE MY SON
FRANK AND YVETTE AND DINETTE AND TWO SISTERS, YVONNE AND
OLGA.
I THINK MOST OF THE GRANDCHILDREN HERE.
MEGAN, JILLIAN, ERICA.
I DON'T SEE WHO ELSE.
BUT ALL HERE, I THINK.
THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING SO SUPPORTIVE.
I USED ALL YOUR MONEY TO RUN FOR CAMPAIGNS SO THERE'S
NOTHING LEFT.

[ LAUGHTER ]
12:06:56PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
MORRIS MASSEY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT, I DON'T
MEAN TO INTERRUPT.
MAKE SURE YOU ARE AWARE THAT THE MAYOR SIGNED AN EXECUTIVE
ORDER ALSO CONFIRMING THE NAME OF THE PLAZA IN CHARLIE
MIRANDA'S HONOR.
THAT NEEDS TO BE RECEIVED AND FILED AS PART OF THE RENAMING
PROCESS.
12:07:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION AND SECOND TO RECEIVE AND FILE
THAT.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
PLEASE READ THE VOTE, CHARLENE, FOR THE SECOND READING AND
EVERYTHING.
12:07:19PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION --
12:07:23PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I BELIEVE THERE WAS A NO.
THAT WAS JUST A JOKE.
OKAY.
12:07:33PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON NOVEMBER 7,
2024, AT 10 A.M. IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, 315 EAST KENNEDY
BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
12:07:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
WE'RE IN RECESS UNTIL 1:30.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
[LUNCH RECESS]

01:33:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WELCOME BACK TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
AT THIS TIME, MAY I HAVE ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
01:33:18PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
01:33:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
01:33:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
01:33:24PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
01:33:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
01:33:26PM >>CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
01:33:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
MY FIRST SPEAKER.
01:33:33PM >> LOUIE SUYO.
YES, SIR, PLEASE COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME.
01:33:39PM >> MY NAME IS LOUIS.
I LIVE IN HARBOR ISLANDS.
PREVIOUSLY AT DAVIS ISLAND.
I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE LIGHTS ON -- THOSE LIGHTS ON
FRANKLIN.
I DIDN'T -- I COULDN'T FIND WHERE THE LIGHTS WERE
SPECIFICALLY GOING TO IT BE, BUT I AM ASSUMING IT IS -- IT
IS PARALLEL TO THE EMBASSY SUITES AND ANOTHER ONE BY THE
MARRIOTT.
THOSE TWO.
OKAY, I TRAVEL THAT AREA ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF DAY, ALL
DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY AND NIGHT, AND SEEMS TO BE THERE
IS NO ISSUE ON TRAFFIC FLOW.
I CAME BACK DURING A LIGHTNING GAME LAST NIGHT PRIOR TO,
LIKE, 6:15.
THINKING IT WOULD GET ALL JAMMED UP AS I DIDN'T KNOW THERE
WAS A PREGAME.
AGAIN, EVERYTHING FLOWS.
I SAY THAT FROM WHETHER IT IS THE MORNING, 10 TO 12:00, 2 TO
4:00, 6 TO 8:00 AT NIGHT.
ONE THING I WANT TO REALLY STRESS HERE IS THAT WITH THE
FLOW, WITHOUT GETTING INTO SPECIFIC NUMBERS, THAT THE -- THE
COMMUNITY IN GENERAL IS VERY COURTEOUS AND COMPLIMENTARY,
BOTH SIDES, THE VISITORS AND OUR OWN COMMUNITY.
AND THERE IS A SENSE OF AWARENESS, I THINK, ON BOTH SIDES
THAT IT IS COMPLIMENTARY.
WE STOP, THEY GO.
VISITORS GO.
IT IS VERY RESPECTFUL BACK AND FORTH.
YOU KNOW, LIGHTS WHEN I LOOKED COULD BE FROM BROREIN TO THE
EMBASSY SUITES AND THE MOST YOU CAN GET IS EIGHT CARS AT A
DEAD STOP AT A RED LIGHT THAT IS FORCING THE TRAFFIC TO BACK
UP AND NOW TRAFFIC DURING HIGH LEVELS LIKE LAST NIGHT IS
MANAGED BY CONES THAT FORCE EVERYBODY TO GO RIGHT.
AND THE POLICE, WHICH DO A GREAT JOB OF JUST BASICALLY THEY
ARE WAVING THE CARS THROUGH.
AND WE ALL GO TO OUR DIFFERENT WAYS.
AND NO INCIDENTS.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHY OR WHERE THIS STANDS IN AGAIN, BUT
APPRECIATE ANY COMMENTS THAT COUNCIL MAY HAVE ON THAT.
01:36:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
NEXT SPEAKER IS CONNIE BURTON FOLLOWED BY PAULA PERRY.
I KNOW WHO IS GONE -- I AM JUST GOING TO READ THE NAMES
ANYWAY.
CONNIE BURTON AND WE WILL GO FROM THERE.
YES, MA'AM.
01:36:35PM >> YES, CONNIE BURTON.
CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
MOTHER NATURE HAS A WAY OF HUMBLING ALL OF US.
AND SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT YOU DIDN'T THINK HAVE
ANY HUMANITY, IT SPREADS THROUGH THEIR GRIEF, SEEING THE
GRIEF OF OTHERS.
AND WE QUITE OFTEN HEAR THIS STATEMENT WE HAVE NEVER SEEN
NOTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE.
BUT I THINK WE CONTINUE TO SEE PAIN AND HARM COME TO PEOPLE,
BUT IT IS THROUGH THIS EXPRESSION THAT IT IS DONE OUT OF OUR
CONTROL THAT WHEN WE WOULD BE BROUGHT INTO HUMANITY.
WHAT I CAN TELL YOU THAT LOSS OF LIFE, THE LOSS OF PROPERTY,
SEEING YOUR COMMUNITY BEING IDENTIFIED AS A BLIGHTED
COMMUNITY, WATCH IT GENTRIFIED.
SEEING YOUNG PEOPLE LOSING HOPE HAS BEEN ONE OF THOSE KIND
OF SOBERING EFFECTS THAT IT HAVE ON US THAT BELIEVE THAT
THIS COUNCIL AND THIS CITY CAN DO BETTER.
SO WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT WHEN THIS -- WHEN THIS COMMITTEE
RECONCILIATION GROUP COMES, IRREGARDLESS OF THE -- IF IT IS
5, 6, 8, 3, 4, 4, 1, 2, 3, WE PLAN ON EXPRESSING THE PAIN
THAT HAS BEEN FELT IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND NOT SO TO BE WRITTEN IN A REPORT.
BECAUSE I THINK ALL OF YOU KNOW, IF YOU VISIT SULPHUR
SPRINGS.
IF YOU VISIT ROBLES PARK COMMUNITY, A BLIGHTED COMMUNITY,
YOU HAVE SEEN IT.
SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO NOW.
ITEM 11-27, UNDER THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY AFFAIRS ACT.
INSTEAD OF THIS MORNING CLEARING OUT LOTS.
SOMEONE HAS TO TAKE COURAGE AND SAY LET'S LOOK AT WAYS THAT
WE CAN BUILD A BETTER HOME THAT DON'T CRUMBLE.
I CAN TELL LIVING OVER THERE WITH MY MOTHER AT ROBLES PARK
DURING THE STORM.
NOT ALL FELL.
NOT NO WATER CAME TO HER DOORWAY.
IT IS STILL STANDING EVEN THOUGH THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO
TEAR THAT DOWN.
AND I TELL YOU THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF TEARING DOWN THAT
COMMUNITY IS GOING TO BE FELT AT WINN-DIXIE, McDONALD'S, AND
ALL OF THOSE LITTLE STORES THAT NEED RESOURCES COMING OUT OF
OUR COMMUNITY THAT NO LONGER EXISTS.
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE COURAGE OF THE COUNCIL TO MAKE
RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE ADMINISTRATION THAT THIS IS THE TIME
TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
TO DO SOMETHING BOLD.
TO ENTER INTO RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE UNIVERSITY.
VOCATIONAL SCHOOL STUDENTS.
THAT CAN PRODUCE A HOUSING PRODUCT THAT DON'T FORCE PEOPLE
OUT OF THEIR COMMUNITY BUT SAY THAT TAMPA IS INDEED A CITY
THAT EVERYBODY CAN LIVE.
THANK YOU.
01:39:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THE NEXT SPEAKS ARE NOT HERE, PAULA PERRY AND
VALERIE BULLOCH IS THE NEXT SPEAKER FOLLOWED BY MENTESNOT.
01:39:49PM >> I AM VALERIE BULLOCH.
AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 24.
EAST TAMPA -- I DON'T KNOW TOO MUCH ABOUT SULPHUR SPRINGS
TOO MUCH, BUT IN EAST TAMPA, WE HAVE, LIKE, FOUR GROCERY
STORES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE.
WE HAVE WANT.
I GO TO PUBLIX ON CHANNELSIDE AND SPROUTS DOWNTOWN, ACROSS
THE STREET FROM THE YMCA, AND YOU HAVE THE WINN-DIXIE THERE
ALSO.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME KIND OF MANUFACTURING PLANT BEING
PUT UP IN EAST TAMPA SO THAT AT LEAST IT CAN -- IT CAN
KICK-START ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, LIKE A SMALL SOLAR PLANT,
OR ANYTHING THAT IS MANUFACTURING THAT CAN GO THERE.
WE WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE JOBS THAT ARE FEASIBLE.
THAT WE CAN WALK TO.
THAT IS IN OUR COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF ANOTHER GROCERY STORE.
BECAUSE THE REALITY OF IT IS, IF WE DON'T HAVE NO JOB, WE
DON'T HAVE NO MONEY.
WE CAN'T GO SHOPPING.
SO I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK INTO.
WHAT CAN BE OUR ECONOMIC ENGINE FOR EAST TAMPA?
THAT IS WHAT IS MISSING.
ALL THE OTHER LOCATIONS, THEY HAVE ECONOMIC ENGINES.
WE HAD A BEAUTIFUL RIVERWALK.
WE HAVE -- OH, I LOVE MARRIOTT WATERSIDE DOWN THERE ON
CHANNELSIDE.
YBOR CITY HAS GOT THE STRIPS AND THOSE BARS AND STUFF.
WE DON'T -- AND WEST TAMPA HAS RIVERWALK.
EAST TAMPA, DOESN'T HAVE NOTHING TO IDENTIFY AS THIS IS EAST
TAMPA.
THIS IS EAST TAMPA ENGINE.
THIS IS WHERE WE GO TO WORK AT.
THIS IS WHAT PUTS MONEY INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT ANOTHER GROCERY STORE, MAYBE
SOMEBODY CAN GET WITH AN INDUSTRY.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO INVEST IN THIS AREA?
EVEN IF IT IS A PUBLIC WAREHOUSE.
THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
ANY STORE THAT CAN PUT A WAREHOUSE THERE.
BECAUSE WHEN WINN-DIXIE WAS BEHIND FUNLAND THEATRE ON 22nd
AND HILLSBOROUGH, A LOT OF US WORKED DOWN THERE.
SINGLETON ON 50th STREET, THAT IS WHERE A LOT OF US WORKED
AT.
WE NEED AN ECONOMIC ENGINE FOR EAST TAMPA.
THAT IS NUMBER ONE BEHIND MENTAL HEALTH.
THANK YOU.
01:42:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANDRE HILL WAS HERE EARLIER.
HE IS NOT HERE.
NEXT IS LIONEL HAYES FOLLOWED BY STEVE MICHELINI.
01:42:17PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCILWOMAN AND COUNCILMEN, I AM
PRESIDENT OF 501-C-3 ORGANIZATION.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, MR. MIRANDA, THANK YOU FOR LETTING THE
PUBLIC BE PART OF YOUR CELEBRATION AND THANK YOU FOR BEING
AN INDIVIDUAL THAT HAS BEEN ABLE TO REALLY HELP OUR
COMMUNITY.
I AM AN INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS IMPACTED BY HELENE.
OUR HOME -- WE LOST EVERYTHING.
OUR NONPROFIT SUFFERED.
SO THIS WAS THE FIRST EXPERIENCE OF JUST SOMETHING GOOD.
AND I -- I DON'T KNOW YOU.
BUT JUST BEING IN THAT ENVIRONMENT TOUCHED MY SOUL.
SO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING THAT.
BACK TO THE MATTER OF WHY I'M HERE.
I CAME ABOUT 45 DAYS AGO WITH REGARDS TO CAIRO AND FRIENDS.
I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT IT.
AS OF RIGHT NOW IN THIS MOMENT, WE SUFFERED A LOSS OF
DONATIONS.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE $100,000 WORTH OF BRAND-NEW INVENTORY WE
WANT TO GIVE AWAY TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE WANT TO PARTNER -- I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN BRING A
TRUCKLOAD OF STUFF TO TPD, TOYS, CLOTHES, WE WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT FAMILY GETS STUFF NOW.
IT IS HARD ON INDIVIDUALS RIGHT NOW.
JUST THE MENTAL ASPECT OF IT.
WE WERE IN OUR HOME WATCHING EVERYTHING BEING DECIMATED.
AND IT JUST HURTS KNOWING WHAT WE HAVE AND HOW IT IS JUST
SITTING IN A STORAGE UNIT AND NOT BEING ABLE TO BE
FACILITATED THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY.
THE REASON I'M HERE SO HOPEFULLY SOMEWHERE -- SOMEONE OUT
THERETO IN THE PUBLIC HEAR THIS, 813 MACHINE 323-1040.
YOU CAN E-MAIL US AT CAIROANDFRIENDS.COM.
AND YOU CAN GO TO OUR WEB SITE.
WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANYONE TO MAKE A DONATION.
WE ARE GIVING $100,000 WORTH OF BRAND-NEW SCHOOL SUPPLIES,
TOYS AND CLOTHING FOR CHILDREN AND ALSO ADULTS.
IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY TYPE OF WAYS TO SPREAD THE MESSAGE AS WELL
TO YOUR AFFILIATIONS, PLEASE TO DO SO.
I AM SPEAKING FROM THE HEART.
AND I HOPE THAT THIS MESSAGE DOES MATERIALIZE AT THE END OF
THE DAY.
SO I HOPE THAT YOU, YOUR FAMILIES AND YOUR FRIENDS AS WELL
WERE ABLE TO MITIGATE THE STORM.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
01:44:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
NEXT IS STEVE MICHELINI.
PASTOR FRANK WILLIAMS WAS HERE EARLIER.
LAST SPEAKER IS POYNOR.
01:44:48PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
STEVE MICHELINI.
AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS TO CHARLIE AND HIS DEDICATION.
I WAS A MERE CHILD WHEN HE FIRST GOT ON COUNCIL.
ANYWAY, I THINK THE STORM PROVED A LOT OF THINGS, BUT IT NOW
HAS BURDENED THE CITY STAFF.
AND HOW TO DEAL WITH THIS IN TERMS OF RESTORATION,
RENOVATION, AND ISSUING PERMITS AND HOW DO YOU GET IT DONE.
SO THE COUNCIL MIGHT WANT TO ASK FOR A REPORT ON HOW YOU ARE
GOING TO PROCESS THAT.
YOU HAVE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF STRUCTURES THAT HAVE
BEEN IMPACTED.
AND SOME OF THEM DON'T MEET YOUR CURRENT ROADS REGARDING
SETBACKS AND HEIGHTS AND HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DEAL WITH
THAT.
THE 75% RULE REGARDING RENOVATION AND RESTORATION, YOU MAY
WANT TO LOOK AT THAT IN TERMS OF THE DEVASTATION.
IT GOES HAND IN HAND WITH THE INSURANCE COMPANIES AND HOW
THEY DEAL WITH IT.
HARDENING THE CITY SERVICES, WATER SERVICES, CENTURY SEWER
SERVICES, LIFT STATIONS INCLUDING BACK-UP GENERATORS TO
CONTINUE WORKING DURING A CATASTROPHE.
MAY NEED BUDGET AMENDMENTS TO ACCOMPLISH THAT, BUT, AGAIN,
WE JUST ADOPTED THE BUDGET FOR THE NEW YEAR, AND I AM SURE
THEY WILL BE IN HERE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO HARDEN
THOSE FACILITIES.
I ONLY POINT IT OUT, AS YOU MENTIONED EARLIER TODAY, LOOKING
AT ZONINGS -- ALL NEW ZONINGS HAVE TO COMPLY WITH FEMA.
THE ONES ON DAVIS ISLAND THAT WERE NEW SURVIVED BECAUSE THEY
MET THE FEMA REQUIREMENT.
THE ONES THAT DIDN'T WERE THE OLDER STRUCTURES.
THEY DIDN'T SURVIVE.
CATASTROPHIC COMPLETION -- I MEAN DEVASTATING.
ANYWAY, I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT.
I AM SURE YOU ARE AWARE OF IT, BUT MAY BE WORTHWHILE TO HAVE
THE COUNCIL CONSIDER DOING SOME KIND OF A RESOLUTION OR
EMERGENCY MOTION OR ORDINANCE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DEAL WITH
ALL OF THE PERMITTING AND RECONSTRUCTION THAT IS GOING TO BE
REQUIRED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:46:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
LAST SPEAKER, POYNOR.
THAT IS WHAT THE CARD SAYS.
YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
01:47:05PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK COUNCILMAN CARLSON WHO WAS AT MY HOUSE
AND ASKING WHO HE CAN HELP.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
THIS STORM SHOWS THAT STORMWATER REALLY NEEDS TO BE STARTED
TO BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE LAND USE PHASE FOR THE CHAA.
CURRENTLY IT IS NOT CONSIDERED UNTIL AFTER IT IS ALREADY
APPROVED FROM YOU GUYS.
IT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE STAFF REPORT COMING OUT DURING
LAND DEVELOPMENT.
MR. MASSEY LET ME KNOW AFTER LUNCH OR DURING LUNCH, THAT
THEY ARE ALREADY MAKING CHANGES TO THE DEVELOPMENT
AGREEMENTS WHERE THE NEIGHBORHOODS WILL BE NOTIFIED FROM NOW
ON.
I AM REALLY HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
AND HOPEFULLY WE WON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT NONSENSE WE
HAD BEFORE LUNCH AGAIN.
HELENE ROCKED SOUTH TAMPA'S WORLD.
THREE TO FOUR INCHES -- THREE TO FOUR FEET OF WATER.
I SPOKE TO LARRY WASHINGTON A HALF A DOZEN TIMES SINCE THE
HURRICANE HIT.
MOST OF THESE PEOPLE -- MOST OF WHAT WAS LOST SOUTH OF GANDY
IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
IT IS HOUSING THAT HAS BEEN FAMILIES FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND
YEARS.
800, 900, 1,000-SQUARE-FOOT HOUSES.
WHERE ARE THESE FOLKS GOING TO GO?
AND I WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR -- FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE
SANDBAGS, BECAUSE I HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO SAID IT WAS NICE
TO PICK UP THOSE SANDBAGS AND WE DIDN'T HAVE TO FILL THEM
OURSELVES.
THAT IS SOMETHING WE DID AFTER IAN.
THE NEW HOMELESS LAW.
MY GOSH.
I ALREADY GOTTEN TEXTS THAT PEOPLE ARE GETTING CITATIONS
DOWNTOWN.
THAT'S KIND OF CRAZY CONSIDERING WE JUST INCREASED OUR
HOMELESS POPULATION BY THOUSANDS.
SO WE GOT TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
ENFORCEMENT.
I MEAN THEY ARE WRITING WARNINGS AND CITATIONS AND TAKING
PEOPLE TO JAIL.
I DON'T KNOW, THAT IS WHAT I AM HEARING.
EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ISN'T PERFECT, BUT LET ME TELL YOU
SOMETHING, IF THERE IS ONE THING THAT OUR MAYOR DOES REALLY,
REALLY WELL, I THINK IS THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
NOW WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH NOW IS SOMETHING THAT NOBODY
ANTICIPATED.
THE BIG THING THAT I SEE COMING FROM THE MAJORITY OF FOLKS
IN OUR COMMUNITY IS, WE GOT FOLKS WHO PUT ALL OF THE STUFF
OUT OF THEIR HOUSE, GOTTEN IT TO THE CURVE.
LARRY AND HIS CREW ARE DOING GREAT JOB PICKING THIS UP AND
ADJUSTORS ARE SAYING PUT THE STUFF BACK IN YOUR HOUSE.
OH, MY GOSH, ARE YOU FRICKEN KIDDING ME, LIVE WITH THAT
FILTH AND DISGUSTS FOR THE APPRAISERS TO SHOW UP.
THERE SHOULD BE A CHECKLIST WHAT YOU CAN DO.
THE CITY, STATE OR COUNTRY THING.
IT IS NEEDED BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STEP IS.
WE ARE GOING TO EXPERIENCE THIS AGAIN.
NOT THE FIRST, AND NOT THE LAST.
CONGRATULATIONS, CHARLIE, YOU HAVE BEEN UP THERE ELEMENT AS
LONG AS MY MOUTH.
01:50:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CONSENT AGENDA, ITEM 5-10.
01:50:16PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I MOVE ITEM 5-10.
01:50:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA AND
SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, 11-17 THE EXCLUSION OF 14.
01:50:35PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I MOVE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY AFFAIRS
COMMITTEE ITEMS 11-27 WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 14.
01:50:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
28-35.
01:50:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I MOVE ITEMS 38-35.
01:50:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, 36-40.
ITEM 41 WILL APPEAR UNDER STAFF REPORT
01:51:05PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
[ INAUDIBLE]
01:51:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:51:15PM >>BILL CARLSON:
42-53.
01:51:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
01:51:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
OKAY.
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
01:51:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I MOVE ITEMS 54-56.
01:51:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
ALL RIGHT.
WE HAVE TO SET THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS, BUT WE HAVE RECEIVED
QUITE A FEW E-MAILS REGARDING THE DATES.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
01:51:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH -- WITH FOLKS ON THIS.
AND SO I HAVE -- I HAVE AN IDEA, A SUGGESTION.
RIGHT NOW DECEMBER 5, WHICH IS A REGULAR SESSION IS LOW.
WE HAVE TWO COMMENDATIONS AND THREE STAFF REPORTS.
IF WE KEEP TWO COMMENDATIONS AND THREE STAFF REPORTS, WE CAN
FINISH BY LUNCH AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK IN THE EVENING TO
DO THIS ONE ITEM.
01:52:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
01:52:14PM >>CATE WELLS:
CATE WELLS, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I WANTED TO LET CITY COUNCIL KNOW THAT WHEN WE STARTED
TALKING OF POTENTIAL OTHER DATES FOR THE HEARING THAT WE ARE
REQUESTING BE SET WITH REGARD TO A FLUEDRA SETTLEMENT,
JAKE CREMER LET ME KNOW THAT TWO KEY MEMBERS OF HIS TEAM
WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE ON DECEMBER 5.
I ASKED FOR EVENINGS THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE, AND HE WASN'T
ABLE TO CIRCLE BACK.
AT THIS POINT, IF COUNCIL IS LOOKING AT CONSIDERING A
DIFFERENT DATE OTHER THAN THE EVENING OF NOVEMBER 14, WE CAN
DO IT AT COUNCIL'S DISCRETION OR IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE IT
TO NEXT WEEK'S EVENING MEETING, WE CAN THEN PROVIDE DATES
THAT WILL WORK FOR THE PARTIES TO THIS MATTER.
01:53:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I DON'T KNOW HOW THE OTHER
COUNCILMEMBERS FEEL.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.
I SAW ONE E-MAIL COME THROUGH BRINGING UP JANUARY.
SO YOU KNOW, SO IT DOESN'T CONFLICT WITH ANYTHING ELSE.
WE DON'T KNOW UNTIL WE TALK WITH ALL THE PARTIES.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
01:53:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE REGULAR READERS OF
"CREATIVE LOAFING," BUT WE WON AN AWARD FOR MOST WATCHED --
MOST ENTERTAINING LATE NIGHT TELEVISION.
01:53:29PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
REALLY?
01:53:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE WOULD PREFER NOT TO WIN THAT ONE AGAIN.
01:53:32PM >>CATE WELLS:
I AGREE.
01:53:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE COMMUNITY IN WHOLE AGREES.
THEY ARE SAYING -- IT IS -- IT WAS DONE TONGUE AND CHEEK.
AND I THINK WE ALL -- AGREE.
I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM UNTIL --
01:53:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NEXT THURSDAY EVENING.
01:53:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THURSDAY EVENING AT 5 -- DO WE HAVE TO MAKE
IT TIME CERTAIN?
01:53:57PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FIRST ON THE AGENDA.
01:53:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FIRST ON THE AGENDA FOR OCTOBER 10, EVENING
SESSION.
01:54:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN?
ANY OPPOSED?
ALL RIGHT.
HOW ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 58.
ANY CONFLICTS THERE.
OKAY, COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN IS MOVING ITEM 58 TO SET THE
PUBLIC HEARING FOR DECEMBER 5, 2024.
10:30 A.M.
315 E. KENNEDY, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33062.
H 247-94.
THAT IS JUST TO SET THE PUBLIC HEARING.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
01:54:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I BELIEVE -- IS THIS -- IS THIS LEASE
AGREEMENT IN THE -- IN ON BASE RIGHT NOW?
01:54:46PM >>MORRIS MASSEY:
THE LEASE AGREEMENT IS ATTACHED AND ON
BASE.
ON YOUR AGENDA RIGHT NOW, COPIES ARE ARRIVE TO THE CLERK'S
OFFICE WHEN YOU SET THE PUBLIC HEARING SO THEY WILL BE IN
BOTH PLACES.
01:54:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE DO THE LEASE
AGREEMENT THAT THE PUBLIC CAN LOOK AT THIS.
THE PUBLIC HAS UNTIL NOVEMBER 5 TO LOOK AT THE LEASE
AGREEMENT FOR A PUBLIC PARK AND PUBLIC ENTITY.
01:55:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION.
01:55:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION.
01:55:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
01:55:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OPEN ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS.
ITEM 59 IS NONQUASI-JUDICIAL.
AT THIS POINT, JUST TO GET IT OUT OF THE WAY, IF ANYONE IS
HERE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS WHICH ARE
QUASI-JUDICIAL WHICH IS 60 AND BEYOND, PLEASE RAISE YOUR
RIGHT HAND AND WE WILL SWEAR YOU IN.
[SWEARING IN]
01:55:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IS ALEX SCHALER ONLINE -- IT IS NONQUASI
JUDICIAL, I AM SORRY.
THAT'S RIGHT.
ITEM NUMBER 59.
01:55:58PM >>EMILY PHELAN:
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
01:56:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
[INAUDIBLE]
01:56:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WAIT, IT IS VERY, VERY CHOPPY.
THE SIGNAL IS WEAK.
01:56:07PM >>EMILY PHELAN:
OKAY.
01:56:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE AUDIO.
[INAUDIBLE]
01:56:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CAN YOU CONNECT AND DISCONNECT.
IT IS VERY ROBOTIC.
WE WILL HOLD ITEM 59, AND WE WILL GO TO ITEM NUMBER 60.
IF YOU WERE HERE TO PRESENT ON 60 -- LET'S SEE.
01:56:37PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MR. CHAIR, AS A REMINDER, I NEED TO LEAVE HERE
AT ABOUT 3:30.
APOLOGIZE -- SOMETHING ABOUT MY SON IN A PLAY.
MY APOLOGIES FOR THAT.
01:56:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE MAY BE DONE, WE MAY NOT.
IF COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAS KNOCKED ON WOOD, IT IS A STRONG
POSSIBILITY HERE.
ALL RIGHT, YES.
01:57:01PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
LaCHONE DOCK, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
COUNCIL, ITEM 60 IS A SECOND READING ITEM REZ 24-18 FOR THE
PROPERTY AT 2109 WEST FRUIT STREET.
THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM RS-60
RESIDENTIAL TO RM-18, RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY.
THIS IS A EUCLIDIAN REQUEST SO NO SITE PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH
THIS REQUEST AND IT IS BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND-READING
CONSIDERATION.
I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
01:57:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS, NO?
01:57:34PM >> FRANCISCO TERCOSIO.
AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED SINCE THE FIRST READING.
WE ARE HERE TO PRESENT TO A REZONING FROM RS-50 TO RM-18.
WE UNDERSTAND IF THE PETITION IS APPROVED, THE ZONING MUST
ADHERE TO THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR A MAXIMUM DENSITY
FLOOR AREA RATIO LIMITS AND PERMISSIBLE USES IN THE RM-18
AND MUST COMPLY WITH THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY STRICT STANDARDS
THAT WE WILL FULLY COMPLY WITH AT PERMITTING.
ALL CITY OF TAMPA DEVELOPMENT STAFF INCLUDING THE TAMPA
DOCTOR THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY CITY-COUNTY PLANNING
COMMISSION FOUND IT TO BE CONSISTENT.
AND WE ARE RESPECTFULLY ASKING THE COUNCIL TO APPROVE OUR
PETITION.
01:58:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR GENTLEMAN?
ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK.
01:58:32PM >> MOTION TO CLOSE.
01:58:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU REVIEWED ALL THE CASES.
01:58:37PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES, I DID.
01:58:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN
CLENDENIN.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
01:58:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ITEM NUMBER 6 IS REZ 24-18, ORDINANCE FOR
SECOND READING ADOPTION.
REZONINGS IS 3909 WEST PROOF STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
FLORIDA, PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED AS ZONING DISTRICT
CLASSIFICATION RS-50 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY TO RM-18,
RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
01:59:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SECOND.
01:59:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION AND A FAVORITE.
01:59:11PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
01:59:13PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
01:59:15PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
01:59:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
01:59:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
01:59:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
01:59:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
01:59:22PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
01:59:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CONGRATULATIONS.
WE WILL GO TO ITEM 59.
SEE IF SHE RESTARTED HER COMPUTER.
IS SHE BACK ON?
SHE IS ON?
ITEM 59.
IF YOU WERE BACK ON, PLEASE TURN YOUR CAMERA BACK ON.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
02:00:01PM >>EMILY PHELAN:
EMILY PHELAN, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
A MAP AMENDMENT WITH MULTIPLE PARCELS.
COLUMBUS DRIVE.
THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE TO
RESIDENTIAL-35 AND COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL 35 TO URBAN MIXED
USE-60 AND COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35.
FROM THE SEPTEMBER 12, 2024 HEARING.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I AM AVAILABLE.
02:00:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
NO?
ALL RIGHT.
APPLICANT FOR ITEM NUMBER 60.
THERE WAS ONE ON LINE, ALEX SCHALER.
SHE WAS REGISTERED SO -- NO?
ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM 59.
I SEE NO ONE.
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, 59.
02:01:01PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
MOVE ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THE
PROPERTY LOCATED 2301, 2037, 3315 FLORIDA AVENUE EAST
ARMENIA AND 205, 207 AND 208 COLUMBUS DRIVE FROM CC-35 AND
RESIDENTIAL-35, R-35 TO URBAN MIXED HOURS 60, UMU 60 AND
COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35, CMU-35, PROVIDED FOR REPEAL OF ALL
ORDINANCES AND PROVIDED FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING A
SECOND DATE.
02:01:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
02:01:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:01:47PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
02:01:48PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
02:01:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
02:01:50PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
02:01:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
02:01:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
02:01:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
02:01:54PM >>CLERK:
MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
02:01:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ITEM NUMBER 61.
02:02:01PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
THANK YOU, ITEM 61, LaCHONE DOCK.
LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
2511 NORTH HOWARD AVENUE.
A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM RO, RESIDENTIAL OFFICE TO PD,
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS FOR ALL COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD USES SITE PLAN NOT
ANY CASES BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
THOSE CHANGES WERE MADE AND PLAN IS MADE AVAILABLE TO THE
CLERK.
I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
02:02:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS DOCK?
NO?
MR. MICHELINI.
02:02:35PM >> STEVE MICHELINI REPRESENTING THE PETITIONER, 2511 NORTH
HOWARD.
YOU MAY RECALL AN EXISTING BUILDING THAT WE ARE HAVING TO
CHANGE TO ALLOW THE USE FOR THE OFFICE THAT IS ALREADY
EXISTING THERE.
WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL, AND I WILL BE HAPPY
TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
02:02:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN?
ANYONE IN THE PUB WISH TO SPEAK ON 61.
02:02:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO CLOSE.
02:03:01PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
02:03:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
02:03:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO SAY I WAS ABSENT AT VOTE, AND I
REVIEWED AND I AM PREPARED TO VOTE.
02:03:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AND LET ME CHECK THE OTHERS.
YES, MA'AM, COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
02:03:12PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
FILE NUMBER 2024-20, ORDINANCE PRESENTED
FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY
IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 2511 NORTH HOWARD AVENUE IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
SECTION 1 FROM ZONING RO, RESIDENTIAL OFFICE TO PD PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT.
ALL NEIGHBORHOOD USES PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
02:03:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON AND
SECONDED BY MIRANDA.
02:03:43PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
02:03:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
02:03:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
02:03:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
02:03:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
02:03:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
02:03:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
02:03:52PM >>CLERK:
MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
ITEM NUMBER 26.
YOU WILL BE ABSTAINING.
DO YOU WANT TO STEP OUT OF THE ROOM?
YES, SIR.
YES, MA'AM.
02:04:14PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCIL.
LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM 62 IS FILE REZ-24-59 FOR THE PROPERTY 405 NORTH ARMENIA
AND 2322 WEST GRAY STREET.
THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE FROM RM-60 RESIDENTIAL FAMILY TO PD
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED DEVELOPMENT.
SITE PLAN TOURING FIRST AND SECOND READING AFTERNOON AND
CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE.
THE PLAN HAS BEEN CERTIFIED TO THE CLERK.
I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
02:04:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.
02:04:51PM >> STEVE MICHELINI REPRESENTING THE PETITIONER, 405 NORTH
ARMENIA.
YOU MAY REMEMBER THIS IS A REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT IN ADJACENT
TO HJC.
AN ENHANCEMENT OF THE BIKE AND TRAIL.
AND ENHANCE WITH TREES IN SIZE IN CALIPER TO MAKE IT A
PARKWAY ALONG THE SOUTHERN CORNER OF JCC.
WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL AND WILL BE HAPPY TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
02:05:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN?
ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM,
ITEM NUMBER 62.
02:05:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO CLOSE.
02:05:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ALL RIGHT, COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
02:05:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FILE NUMBER REZ-24-58, ORDINANCE FOR --
24-58, EXCUSE ME.
NO, I WAS RIGHT.
SEE -- SEE HOW THAT YOU GOES.
SO WE WILL START OVER.
I AM MOVING FILE NUMBER REZ-24-58, ORDINANCE FOR SECOND
READING AND ADOPTION.
ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL RESIN TEE OF HAD
005 NORTH ARMENIA AND 2322 WEST GRAY STREET IN CITY OF
TAMPA, FLORIDA, FOR RM-16 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY TO PD
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY PROVIDE AN
EFFECTIVE DATE.
I DID HEAR WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING ATTACHED -- OR IS THAT
IS IT?
VERY GOOD.
02:06:26PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SECOND.
02:06:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:06:30PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
02:06:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
02:06:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
02:06:34PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
02:06:35PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
02:06:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALLCO:
YES.
02:06:38PM >>CLERK:
MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY WITH MIRANDA
ABSTAINING.
02:06:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU, SIR ITEM NUMBER 63.
02:06:50PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
ITEM NUMBER 63 REZ-24-06.
2409 WEST FIG STREET FROM RM-16 TO RM-18.
SITE PLAN IS NOT NEEDED FOR THIS REQUEST.
02:07:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS DOCK.
MR. MICHELINI, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
02:07:16PM >> MR. STEVE MICHELINI REPRESENTING THE PETITIONER AT 2409
WEST FIG, AND I AM ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
02:07:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK ON
ITEM 63.
A MOTION AND A SECOND.
02:07:37PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SECOND.
02:07:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:07:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
REZ-24-60 ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
2409 WEST FIG STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONINGS DISTRICT
CLASSIFICATION RM-16, RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY TO RM-18,
RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
02:08:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:08:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
02:08:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
02:08:11PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
02:08:12PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
02:08:14PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
02:08:15PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
02:08:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
02:08:17PM >>CLERK:
MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
02:08:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ITEM NUMBER 64.
02:08:23PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM 64 IS REZ-24-64 FOR THE PROPERTY AT 709 WEST PARK
AVENUE.
THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM RS-60 TO RS-50,
RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY.
THIS IS AN EUCLIDIAN REZONING REQUEST AND NO SITE PLAN
ASSOCIATED WITH THIS REQUEST.
AND I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
02:08:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS DOCK?
YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
02:08:51PM >> STEVE MICHELINI, REPRESENTING THE PETITIONER AT 709 WEST
PARK.
COUNCIL MAY REMEMBER THIS IS A REORIENTATION THAT THE DOORS
FACE THE PARK INSTEAD OF A SIDE STREET.
THIS ENABLES THAT TO HAPPEN.
RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
02:09:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 64.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ITEM NUMBER 65.
02:09:21PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
THANK YOU, LaCHONE DOCK, LAND DEVELOPMENT
ITEM 65 --
02:09:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WAIT, WAIT, MISS DOCK.
HOLD ON.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
02:09:36PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I MOVE -- I MOVE FILE NUMBER REZ-24-64,
ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, ORDINANCE IN THE
GENERAL VICINITY OF 709 WEST PARK AVENUE IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1,
IN RS-60 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY AND RS-50.
02:09:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SECOND.
YES.
02:10:04PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
02:10:06PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
02:10:08PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
02:10:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
02:10:15PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
LaCHONE DOCK.
ITEM NUMBER 65 IS REZ-24-65, CHIPPEWA AVENUE.
FROM RS-60 TO RS-50.
EUCLIDIAN ZONING AND NO SITE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS REQUEST.
IT IS BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR
ANY QUESTIONS.
02:10:42PM >> STEVE MICHELINI REPRESENTING THE PETITIONER.
COUNCIL, YOU MAY RECALL DISCUSSION OF DRAINAGE AND
STORMWATER PROTECTION.
AND ALL NEW PROJECTS WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT.
AND IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT THE OLDER HOMES IN DAVIS ISLAND
OF DEVASTATED; HOWEVER, NEW PROJECTS WITH NEW DRAINAGE
REQUIREMENTS AND NEW AFFILIATIONS AND CONSIDERATIONS FOR
THAT WILL HELP TO CREATE A RESILIENCY.
PETITIONER HAS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IF THE COUNCIL WISHES
TO HEAR IT, BUT WE ARE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING YOUR
APPROVAL.
02:11:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON 65?
YES, SIR, COME ON UP.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
02:11:25PM >> YES, GOOD AFTERNOON, BILL SHELLHART, 573 LUZAN IN DAVIS
ISLAND.
I LIVED THERE FOR 12 YEARS.
I LOVE THE ISLANDS.
I LOVE THE LIFESTYLE.
I UNDERSTAND THE OPPOSITION THAT COUNCIL HEARD DURING THE
FIRST READING AND PEOPLE NOT WANTING CHANGE.
MY HOME IS A 1950s RANCH HOME.
IT COMPLETELY FLOODED DUE TO THE STORM SURGE FROM HELENE.
WHILE WE WANT TO PRESERVE THE PAST, WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE
THAT WE LIVE IN AN AREA THAT IS SUSCEPTIBLE TO THIS TYPE OF
CHANGE.
MY UNDERSTANDING FROM WHAT IS PROPOSED TO BE BUILT HERE WILL
COMPLY WITH FEMA REQUIREMENTS.
IT WILL BE A SPACE WHERE PEOPLE WON'T HAVE TO WORRY OF THEIR
HOMES FLOODING AND THEY WON'T HAVE TO DO WHAT I DID, WADE IN
CHEST-DEEP WATER CARRYING MY 70-POUND DOG TO MY NEIGHBOR'S
HOME TO RIDE OUT THIS STORM.
ASKING THAT THIS COURT -- THIS BODY PASS THE ORDINANCE.
02:12:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYONE ELSE THAT WILL SPEAK.
02:12:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO CLOSE.
02:12:36PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
02:12:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO CLOSE.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
65.
02:12:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ITEM 65, REZ-24-65, ORDINANCE PRESENTED
FOR SECOND READING.
206 CHIPPEWA AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND
RESIDENTIAL 60 TO RS-60 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY PROVIDING
AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
02:13:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION AND A SECOND.
02:13:06PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
02:13:08PM >>LUIS VIERA:
NO.
02:13:09PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
02:13:10PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
02:13:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
02:13:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
02:13:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
02:13:15PM >>CLERK:
MOTION PASSES WITH VIERA AND HURTAK VOTING NO.
02:13:21PM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCIL.
02:13:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NUMBER 66, MISS DOCK.
02:13:27PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
LaCHONE DOCK, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM 66, IS REZ-24-66.
THE PROPERTY AT 4001 WEST CARMEN STREET TO REZONE FROM RS-50
RESIDENTIAL FAMILY TO PD FOR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY
DETACHED USE.
THE SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS WERE REQUIRED TO BE MADE BETWEEN
FIRST AND SECOND READING.
CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE.
THE PLAN CERTIFIED AND PROVIDED TO THE CLERK.
THIS ITEM IS BEFORE ARE NOW SECOND READING.
I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
02:14:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTION FOR MISS DOCK?
NO?
DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT FOR NUMBER 66.
02:14:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO CLOSE.
02:14:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC?
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
COUNCIL VIERA, 66.
02:14:17PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOVE AN ORDINANCE SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 4001 WEST CARMEN STREET IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND STICKILY DESCRIBED IN SECTION
1, RS-50, RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY TO PD PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY, DETACHED.
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
02:14:39PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
02:14:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
02:14:43PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
02:14:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
02:14:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
02:14:46PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
02:14:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
02:14:50PM >>CLERK:
MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
02:14:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ITEM 67 IS A REVIEW HEARING.
02:14:58PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
GOOD AFTERNOON, CAMARIA
PETTIS-MACKLE WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
ITEM NUMBER 69 IS A REVIEW HEARING FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED
AT 5710 EAST ADAMO DRIVE.
THE PETITIONER IS MR. WILLIAM MOLLOY, WHO FILED A REQUEST TO
REDUCE THE WETLAND SETBACKS WHICH REQUIRES BY CODE A MINIMUM
OF 15 FEET.
THEIR REQUEST TO REDUCE THAT TO ZERO FEET.
THAT IS IN REGARDS TO -- YOU COULD FIND THAT PROVISION IN
CODE SECTION 27-286, SUBSECTIONS B.
STAFF DENIED THAT REQUEST ON JUNE 7, 2024.
I PROVIDED CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS A COPY OF CODE SECTION
27-286, WHICH IS THE WETLAND PROTECTIONS AND BUFFER.
I PROVIDED CAPE OF 27-06 WHICH IS THE CRITERIA FOR THE
ALTERNATIVE DESIGN EXCEPTION AND CODE SECTION 27-61 WHICH IS
THE REVIEW HEARING CRITERIA.
IN YOUR PACKET ARE ALSO -- IS A SAMPLE MOTION AND RULES OF
PROCEDURE FOR CITY COUNCIL TO USE IN ORDER TO CONDUCT THIS
REVIEW HEARING AS STATED IN CODE SECTION 27-61,
SUBJECTION J-3.
A DE NOVO REVIEW HEARING AND CITY COUNCIL CAN RECEIVE NEW
EVIDENCE.
THE STAFF THAT IS PRESENT IN ORDER FOR MORE INFORMATION AND
THE REASON FOR IT.
AND THE DECISION.
AFTER CITY COUNCIL HEARS ALL EVIDENCE REGARDING THIS MATTER,
CITY COUNCIL CAN AFFIRM THE DECISION OF THE ZONING
ADMINISTRATOR AND DENY THE ASK TO REDUCE THE WETLAND
-- OR CITY COUNCIL CAN OVERTURN THE ZONING
ADMINISTRATOR DECISION.
AND, THEREFORE, APPROVE THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT TO
REDUCE THE WETLAND SETBACKS.
IF THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MR. EYSTER FOR THE
PRESENTATION FROM STAFF.
02:17:06PM >> YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
STATE YOUR.
02:17:14PM >>STEVEN EYSTER:
CITY OF TAMPA.
THIS APPLICATION IS DE 124-153-C AT 5710 ADAMO DRIVE.
THIS WAS CONTINUED FROM THE SEPTEMBER 5 HEARING, 2024.
JUST A QUICK BREAK DOWN OF THE PROPERTY.
WILLIAM J. MOLLOY IS THE PETITIONER.
ADDRESS 5710.
THE ZONING IS INDUSTRY HEAVY AND THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW THE
ENCROACHMENT FROM 15 DOWN TO 0 THROUGH A DESIGN EXCEPTION.
THIS.
HERE IS THE CODE SECTION THAT CAMARIA REFERENCED IN REMEMBER
PRESENTATION.
THE BUFFER IS REDUCED TO 15 FEET WITH AN AVERAGE OF 25.
MORE OF A RECONFIGURATION THAN AN ELIMINATION.
SQUARE FOOTAGES AND EVERYTHING HAS TO EQUAL OUT AT THE END
OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS.
THIS IS THE OVERVIEW OF THE MAP.
YOU CAN SEE ADAMO DRIVE IN THE FRONT.
AND THEN THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION.
THIS IS THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION.
THE AREA OUTLINED IN RED IS THE CURRENT UPLAND AREA THE
SITE.
THE HASHED AREA TO THE SOUTH IS THE APPROVED EPC IMPACT
FUND.
THIS IS A COLOR-CODED VERSION THAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH THE
APPLICATION SHOWING THE PRIMARY IMPACTS, THE SECONDARY
IMPACTS, AND THE -- AND THE WALL, THE RETAINING WALL THAT IS
GOING TO BE INSTALLED.
ALL THOSE WERE APPROVED THROUGH S.W.F.W.M.D. AND
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY EPC.
HERE IS A CLOSE-UP OF THAT DIAGRAM SO YOU GUYS CAN SEE.
SO THE REASON FOR DEBT NILE IS THE CODE DOES NOT PROVIDE
EXEMPTIONS FOR RETAINING WALLS, SIMILAR -- DUE TO THEIR
TYPICAL STRUCTURE OF JUST HOLDING SOIL BACK FROM AN AREA
COMPARED TO A SEAWALL THAT RECEIVES WAVE APPLICATION AND
THINGS LIKE THAT.
A SEAWALL PROVIDES AN EXEMPTION AND LIMITS THE SETBACK.
THIS IS THE REVIEW CRITERIA THAT CAMARIA PROVIDED TO YOU AND
THE REASON FOR THE DENIAL.
APPLICATION WAS DISAPPROVED DUE TO THE REDUCTION IN THE
25-FOOT SETBACK.
THE APPLICANT PROVIDED OF THE WETLAND IMPACTS OF APPROVAL OF
THE RETAINING WALL BUT DUE TO THE CODE, THE 25-FOOT BUFFER
STILL IN PLACE FROM THAT WALL POINT FORWARD.
AND THEN 27-286, DOES NOT WAVE THE REQUIREMENTS.
THAT MEANS REDUCTIONS, SQUARE FOOTAGES HAVE TO EQUAL OUT.
IF THEY CAN'T PROVIDE EQUAL SQUARE FOOTAGE,
THE APPLICANT IS THEN DENIED.
THIS REQUEST IS REQUESTING TO GO TO ZERO WITH NO
COMPENSATION FOR WETLAND IMPACTS.
I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.
02:20:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:20:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU GO BACK A COUPLE OF PAGES TO A MAP.
THAT IS FINE.
WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS, IF THIS WAS A SEAWALL, WE WOULDN'T
BE HERE.
02:20:51PM >> CORRECT.
I THINK THE BIGGER QUESTION IS SEAWALLS AND RETAINING WALLS
DON'T REQUIRE A PERMIT.
02:21:09PM >> STEVEN EYSTER:
WHEN A SEAWALL IS INSTALLED IT PROVIDES
HARD SCAPE BETWEEN THE WETLAND AND THE UPLAND SIDE.
AT THAT POINT THE WETLAND BUFFER IS REMOVED AND THE SEAWALL
IS THE NEW STOPPING POINT.
IT SAY AS DOUBLE SILT FENCE.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
02:21:39PM >> THE DOUBLE SILT FENCING THAT APPLIES TO WHEN THEY ARE
DOING THE CONSTRUCTION PART SO THE SITE DOESN'T WASH OUT
INTO THE WETLANDS.
02:21:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT I THOUGHT AND BUILDING A RETAINING WALL
THAT WILL BE RAISED.
02:21:59PM >> BETWEEN THE NEW SITE AND THE LOCATION.
02:22:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE ONLY REASON WE HAVE NOT APPROVED IT
BECAUSE IT IS TECHNICALLY NOT IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
02:22:07PM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
02:22:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
ANYONE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS?
WE HAVE THE APPLICANT.
MR. MOLLOY IS HERE.
STATE YOUR NAME.
02:22:16PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCILMEMBERS, 325 SOUTH BOULEVARD,
TAMPA, FLORIDA.
I REALIZE THIS IS AN APPEAL ON THE AGENDA, I WOULD LIKE TO
MAKE THE COMMENT, I KNOW THERE IS SOMETHING A LITTLE
PEJORATIVE OF AN APPEAL THAT WE HAVE DENIED.
WE ARE IN A SITUATION THAT IS AN I THINK YEAR EXERCISE.
A NICE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
FORTUNATELY OR UNFORTUNATELY, WE NEED YOUR APPROVAL BECAUSE
IT DOES NOT ALLOW FOR THE REDUCTION WE ARE REQUESTING FOR.
THIS NOT TO DO IT TREMENDOUS HERE.
BUT MAKING SURE THIS RETAINING WALL IS AN EFFECTIVE VERTICAL
BARRIER THAN HORIZONTAL.
THAT IS HOW TECHNICALLY I CAN SPEAK TO IT BUT I HAVE BOTH MY
ENGINEERS TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROJECT FOR YOU.
02:23:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE ARE NOT LOSING ANY WETLAND SPACE BY
APPROVING THIS.
02:23:29PM >> DEFINITELY, ONE ON ONE.
02:23:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE WETLAND WHETHER WE APPROVE IT OR NOT
WILL STAY THE SAME.
02:23:37PM >> YES, SIR.
02:23:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE ONLY REASON WE ARE HERE THAT THE
EXISTING CODE DOES NOT PERMIT STAFF TO PROVIDE THIS
EXCEPTION.
02:23:47PM >> CORRECT.
YOUR STAFF DOES NOT HAVE THAT AVAILABLE.
02:23:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS IS THE TECHNICAL OF THE CODE NOT
ACCEPTING IT.
02:24:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYONE ELSE?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:24:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ONE MORE QUESTION.
THIS IS A COMMERCIAL SPACE?
02:24:07PM >> YES.
02:24:08PM >> IT LOOKS THAT WAY.
JUST WANTED TO SAY.
02:24:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY ELSE.
PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
I SEE NO ONE.
02:24:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CITY STAFF, YOU CONQUER, JUST A TECHNICAL
ISSUE OUT OF YOUR HANDS AND IT HAS NEGLIGIBLE IMPACT?
02:24:29PM >> YES, COUNCILMAN, AS STATED S.W.F.W.M.D. HAVE APPROVED THESE
IMPACTS AND A LARGE GRADE TO FOUR FEET, IT IS DOES NOT FUNCTION
AS A WETLAND BUFFER BECAUSE A SOLID WALL SEPARATING THE TWO
ENTITIES.
02:24:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT, YES, MA'AM.
02:24:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME THAT WHEN WE REDO
THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WE WILL ADD THAT TO THE SEAWALL
DEFINITION.
SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING WE MAY BE ABLE TO DO.
02:25:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. MOLLOY, DO YOU NEED REBUTTAL?
02:25:05PM >> I DON'T THINK I NEED ANY.
02:25:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN
CLENDENIN.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION?
02:25:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WILL GUESS I WILL DO THAT.
I MOVE TO OVERTURN THE DENIAL BECAUSE THE
PETITIONER PROVIDED SUBSTANTIAL AND COMPETENT EVIDENCE TO
MEET THE REQUIREMENT OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE 27-06-E-5 AND
REDUCE THE WETLAND SETBACKS TO ZERO FEET FOR THE FOLLOWING
REASON.
AS HEARD IN TESTIMONY FROM BOTH THE APPLICANT AND STAFF,
THAT THIS HAS PRACTICAL NEGLIGIBLE IMPACT ON THE PROPERTY.
THE WETLAND IS BEING PRESERVED AND TECHNICAL IN OUR CODE.
02:25:54PM >> IT IS APPROVED BY THE EPC AND S.W.F.W.M.D. AND A BUSINESS
AND NOT A RESIDENCE.
02:26:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:26:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
02:26:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
02:26:14PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
02:26:15PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
02:26:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
02:26:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
02:26:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS NOW.
ITEM 70, WE TOOK CARE OF IT.
71, 7, 73, AND 74, IN SPEAKING WITH OUR BUDGET ANALYST
YESTERDAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS GOING TO BE A CONTINUANCE ON THESE
ITEMS.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:26:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T KNOW THAT IS NECESSARILY A CONTINUANCE,
BUT I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE THE FIRST ONE IS CHANGING
THE REQUIREMENT FROM $100,000 TO $200,000.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS.
HOW MANY ITEMS IS THAT.
IS THAT 100 ITEMS A YEAR.
IS THAT 20 ITEMS A YEAR?
WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF THAT.
I GET THE REPORTS FOR OVER RATHER FOR UNDER $100,000 AND
THEY ARE INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO READ.
MR. HEBERLIEN, I WILL BORROW YOU FOR A SECOND.
CAN YOU GO PUT THIS UP ON THE ELMO FOR ME THIS IS HOW WE
RECEIVE IT IN AN E-MAIL, IN-BOX IN A CONNECTION.
YOU CAN'T SEE THE DOLLAR SIGNS, THE NUMBERS.
SO AT THE VERY LEAST, THIS NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED IN TERMS OF
DELIVERY FOR US.
IF THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO GO UP.
NOW YOU CAN MOVE IT BACK TO NORMAL WAY OF READING.
THIS IS DIFFICULT TO READ IT HAS DEPARTMENTS BUT NOT
ORGANIZED BY DEPARTMENTS.
NOT ALL THE FLEET AND SOLID WASTE ITEMS ARE TOGETHER.
I THINK BEFORE WE CAN APPROVE THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT
WE CAN TO DO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS CLEAR AND RIGHT NOW WE
ONLY GET THIS QUARTERLY AND I WOULD LIKE TO GET THIS EVERY
OTHER MONTH.
THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS THE NUMBER OF ITEMS GOING TO BE TAKEN
AWAY.
I AM NOT OPPOSED TO IT BUT CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT THE
DIFFERENCE IS.
I KNOW TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON WORKED ON 37 QUITE A BIT.
BUT MY INTEREST IN 71 AND 27, THE DIFFICULTY OF SEEING ITEMS
AND KNOWING HOW MANY ITEMS WERE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE
IMPACTED COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN WAS FIRST AND THEN COUNCILMAN
CARLSON.
02:29:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THESE ARE TWO VERY INTERESTING ONCE
BECAUSE I WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THE IDEA I AM BURNT ON THE THING
THAT CAME AND BIT US IN THE BUTT THE ONE TIME.
SO I AM A LITTLE -- BURN ME ONCE SCENARIO.
SO I AM REALLY -- I DON'T KNOW IF I AM COMFORTABLE OR IF I
HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE THIS BIG LEAP OF FAITH.
EVEN IF WE ARE CURSORY PASSING THROUGH THESE THINGS.
HAVING THE EXTRA SET OF EYES DOESN'T HURT.
AND DON'T KNOW THIS IS SLOWING DOWN THE PROCESS OR HEARD
ANYTHING SUBSTANTIAL THAT THIS IS IMPEDING THE BUSINESS OF
THE CITY THAT'S WORTHY TAKING THIS ACTION TODAY.
INITIALLY I WAS LIKE, GET IT, ROUTINELY PASSING THESE THINGS
BUT 999,999 KIND OF BURNT ME AND I FEEL THAT HAVING THE
EXTRA SET OF EYES ON THIS STUFF IS KIND OF A GOOD IDEA AT
THIS POINT.
02:30:32PM >> COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
02:30:33PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO SPEAK TO 73 AND 74.
YOU WANT TO HANDLE 71 AND 72.
02:30:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF 71 AND 72.
02:30:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH STAFF TO COME UP
WITH AN IDEA OF HOW MANY ITEMS WOULD BE IMPACTED AND WHAT WE
COULD TO DO MAKE IT CLEAR TO US AND A MORE UPDATED AND
FREQUENT REPORT THAT WE CAN SEE BEFORE I CAN MAKE MY MIND
AND MOVE IT TO JANUARY -- YOU WORK THIS AS A WORKSHOP.
JANUARY 9, ENOUGH TIME FOR THAT?
02:31:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CHIEF BENNETT.
02:31:22PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
GOOD AFTERNOON, JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF
AND GOOD AFTERNOON TO THE PUBLIC.
DOES COUNCIL WANT ANY FEEDBACK BECAUSE I HAVE A LITTLE BIT
OF FEEDBACK THAT CAN START THIS AND, OF COURSE, WE ARE HAPPY
TO WORK WITH COUNCIL.
CONTINUE THIS TO THE 9th AND HAVE THAT TO THE 9th.
02:31:48PM >> I WANT ONE CLARIFIER.
ONCE I SAW THESE QUARTERLY REPORTS I ASKED PURCHASING
ANYTHING THAT SUCH 95,000 HAVE A SEPARATE MEMO IN THE
BUCKET.
IN THIS VERSION 200,000 IS THE OLD ONE FROM 25 YEARS AGO.
THE IDEA WAS TO REPORT EVERYTHING ABOVE 100,000.
AND IF WE HIT 109,000.
A WEEK FROM EVERYONE I AM CERTAINLY NOT OPPOSED TO AND NOT
HAVE THE CONVERSATION OF THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT THIS, I
THINK, NEEDS.
02:32:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
02:32:46PM >>BILL CARLSON:
REAL FAST.
THANKS TO CHIEF OF STAFF AND PURCHASING FOR WORKING MARRED
ON THESE.
CHIEF OF STAFF, TWO QUESTIONS YOU MAY NOT KNOW THE ANSWER
TO, BUT ONE THAT IT COUNTS LIKE THAT, HOW MANY FIRES BETWEEN
100 AND 200 AND THE OTHER QUESTION WHEN THE 100,000 WAS
INITIALLY APPROVED, WHAT IS THE PRESENCE OF THE 100,000.
IF IT WAS 30 YEARS AGO MAYBE.
02:33:23PM >>BILL CARLSON:
A DECENT JUSTIFICATION.
02:33:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BUYING CHEMICALS FOR THE WATER PLANT OR
DISCRETIONARY KIND OF SPENDING.
02:33:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU SAID YOU KNEW THE NUMBER.
02:33:37PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
QUANTITATIVELY 25% THEIR WORKLOAD RIGHT NOW.
I DID LOOK AT THAT FROM A PERSONNEL POINT OF VIEW BECAUSE
OBVIOUSLY WE ARE RUNNING LEAN ON THE SUPPORT SIZE.
WORTH OF EMPLOYEES TO DO THAT LEVEL AND KEEPING THE
TRANSPARENCY, ACCOUNTABILITY IN THE SYSTEM.
THAT IS WHY THAT NUMBER WAS SELECTED.
KIND OF A MODERNIZATION.
BUT HOW TO UNPACK THAT IN A BIMONTHLY REPORT AND QUAA A
QUARTERLY REPORT ALIGNING THE HIS UNITS.
ALL OF THAT IS CAPABLE, OF COURSE.
02:34:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOUR MIC WAS ON.
02:34:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MY MIC WAS NOT ON.
02:34:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
02:34:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SOMETHING WE CAN DEFINITELY TALK ABOUT BUT I
WANT A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION THAT WE CAN PROBABLY SPEND
MORE TIME ON OFF-LINE.
AND I THINK IT MIGHT BE PEN FISH SHALL TO KNOW -- BENEFICIAL
TO KNOW -- I WILL TALK TO YOU OFF LINE.
I MOVE THAT WE MOVE ITEM 71 AND 27.
02:34:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
TO JANUARY 9?
02:34:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JANUARY 9 DURING STAFF REPORTS.
02:34:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
YOU WANTED TO DISCUSS 73 AND 74.
02:34:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
73 AND 74 -- 73 IS A THREE-BED MINIMUM AND
74 IS THAT IF WE ARE DOING PIGGYBACKING WHICH WE TALKED
ABOUT BEFORE THAT I CAN EXPLAIN.
IF WE ARE DOING PIGGYBACKING THREE OR AT LEAST MORE THAN ONE
PIGGYBACKING CONTRACT.
ALL THAT DOES PROVIDES AN ADDITIONAL LAYER TO MAKE SURE WE
ARE GETTING THE BEST PRICE.
WE SPENT MONDAYS ON THIS AND PURCHASE DID AN ANALYSIS OF
OTHER GOVERNMENTS, AND I DID MY OWN ANALYSIS OF OTHER
GOVERNMENTS AND THE CHIEF OF STAFF WORKED WITH US.
I WOULD DO IT LESS THAN $5 MILLION, BUT THE CITY HAS NEVER
DONE THIS BEFORE.
AND BASED ON THE WORKLOAD AND EVERYTHING, IT'S -- I THINK IT
IS BETTER TO START AT 5 MILLION AND GO AHEAD AND GET THIS
APPROVED SINCE WE HAVE BEEN WORKING IT MORE THAN A YEAR AND
LET IT RUN FOR A YEAR OR SOMETHING AND SEE HOW IT WORKS.
IF IT IS A HUGE BURDEN, WE WILL HAVE STAFF TELL US.
IF IT HAS BETTER PRICES, THEN WE WILL BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT
IT AS WELL.
I THINK CHIEF OF STAFF AND PURCHASING, I THANK THEM FOR
PUTTING SO MUCH TIME IN THESE TWO AND BENCHMARKING THEM.
I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE BOTH OF THOSE.
02:36:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
READ ITEM NUMBER 37.
02:36:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
FILE NUMBER E 2024-8-CH 2, ORDINANCE FOR
FIRST READING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CHAPTER 2,
ARTICLE V, DIVISION 3, PURCHASES AND BY ENACTING 286,
THREE-BID REQUIREMENT FOR EQUIREMENTS FOR OTHER
PURCHASES EXCEEDING $5 MILLION.
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
02:36:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
02:36:47PM >> IS THIS THE BEST PRACTICE FOR MOST CITIES.
ARE YOU --
02:36:56PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
THE THRESHOLD.
02:36:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
$5 MILLION, THE BIDS.
YEAH.
02:37:00PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
THE WAY IT WAS -- AGAIN, COUNCIL, THE CITY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND PURCHASING ALL WORKED TOGETHER TO GET
INTO A GOOD OPERATIONAL REALM.
TRUTHFULLY I WAS HOPING TO DO THAT ON THE FIRST TWO BECAUSE
I THOUGHT WE COULD SMOOTH IT OUT.
BUT IF COUNCIL'S PLEASURE TO GO THROUGH THE 9th, WE WILL
WORK ON THAT OFF-LINE.
BECAUSE WE CAN ALWAYS WALKING IS BACK OR BETTER REPORTING AS
WELL.
THEIR WORKLOAD.
I WANT TO SAY THIS TO -- IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, 46%
INCREASE IN INVITATION TO BIDS.
AND THAT IS DUE TO COUNCIL AND STAFF WORKING TOGETHER WITH
HIGHER ACCOUNTABILITY.
46% IN FIVE YEARS AND THE SAME SIZE STAFF.
13% FOR PROPOSALS.
16% -- SORRY, 61% IN RESOLUTIONS AND DOING THAT ON THE BACKS
OF JUST TWO MORE PURCHASING STAFF.
SO IT IS GETTING HEAVY.
WE OUGHT TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE EFFICIENCY MEETS THE
OPPORTUNITY, ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY.
TO ANSWER YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION, WE FELT LIKE WE WORKED
THROUGH ALL OF THIS FOR THE SWEET SPOT OF ALL FOUR
ORDINANCES.
I AM HAPPY TO SUPPORT THESE TWO AND ADJUSTMENTS AS NEEDED.
02:38:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ITEM 74.
02:38:24PM >>CLERK:
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION NOVEMBER 22, 2024, IN
CITY COUNCIL, 315 KENNEDY BLVD, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33062.
02:38:37PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FILE NUMBER 2024-8-CH
2, ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING AMENDING CHAPTER 2
ALREADY ARTICLE, 5, DIVISION 3, PURCHASES AND CONTRACTS BY
ENACTING 2-287 PURCHASES THROUGH USE OF OTHER COOPERATIVE
CONTRACTS PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OF ORDINANCES
IN CONFLICT THEREWITH PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY PROVIDING
AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
02:39:06PM >>CLERK:
MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY NOVEMBER 2, 2024 IN CITY
COUNCIL CHAMBERS 315 E. KENNEDY, THIRD FLOOR, 33602.
02:39:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I FORGOT TO THANK THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND
EVERYBODY ELSE WHO HELPED WITH THESE.
02:39:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CHIEF, YOU REQUESTED THAT ITEM 41 BE
BROUGHT UP UNDER STAFF REPORTS?
02:39:29PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I DID.
02:39:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU WANTON GO WITH 41.
02:39:33PM >> GO AHEAD, 41.
02:39:41PM >> STAFF ASKED FOR 41 TO BE PULLED INTO JUST PRIOR TO STAFF
REPORTS.
AND WE KNOW AUDITS COME IN RECEIVE AND FILE AND APPRECIATE
COUNCIL FOR MOVING THAT INTO THE SPACE.
AND, OF COURSE, CHRISTINE GLOVER'S AUDIT DEPARTMENT WORKED
CLOSELY WITH MY OFFICE TO CHANNEL THE AUDITS TO THE MAYOR
AND, OF COURSE, TO CITY COUNCIL.
I WILL STAY THAT DEANNA OUR DIRECTOR OF PURCHASE HAD
ACTUALLY MADE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS AUDIT AND THE
AUDIT PLAN TO CHRISTINE GLOVER'S OFFICE.
AND IT WAS ACCOMPLISHED IN FY '24.
THE REASON IT IS IMPORTANT, BECAUSE THE JOCK HAS BEEN AN
INSTRUMENT OF THE COUNCIL OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
IT HAS BEEN AN AMAZING TOOL WHAT I CALL CAPITAL MAINTENANCE
OPPOSED TO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT.
A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS THAT RELY ON THE JOB ORDER CONTRACTING
WITH FIX.
AND THE ONE THING THAT I DID HERE AND THERE IS A LOT OF
SMALL LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT ARE PRIME IN THESE PROGRAMS AND
ARE ENERGIZING A LOT OF THE MINORITY BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT
WHICH IS FANTASTIC.
I WILL SAY THAT THE LEADERSHIP SINCE THIS PROGRAM HAS
STARTED HAS TURNED OVER.
DEANNA HAS NOW BECOME THE DIRECTOR.
BERTHA MITCHELL IS HERE THAT IS MANAGING THE EQUAL BUSINESS
OPPORTUNITY AND MINORITY BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT OFFICE.
AND SO PART OF DISSECTING THIS AUDIT WHICH WAS REQUESTED
FOR FY 24 REVEALED SEVERAL THINGS THAT WE KIND OF NEW AND
WANTED THEM FORMALIZE.
BIGGEST ONE SEGREGATION OF DUTIES, THE JOB SYSTEM WAS UNIQUE
SYSTEM INSIDE PURCHASING AND NOT GOOD TO HAVE THE FIREWALL
ON BOTH SIDES.
WE WANTED TO MOVE THAT OVER.
LOGISTICS AND ASSET MANAGEMENT.
ADRI COLINA IS TAKING OVER THE J.O.C. FOR USER DEPARTMENTS
WHETHER THE CONVENTION CENTER, PARKS AND RECREATION WITH ALL
THE FACILITIES WE HAVE.
J.O.C. IS MOST PERTINENT BEING USED AS THE YOUR DEPARTMENT
INSIDE LAM.
PURCHASING CAN FOCUS ON THE CONTRACT.
LAM CAN FOCUS ON THE DELIVERABLES.
THE BIGGEST THING.
THE NEXT BIGGEST THING THE ACCURACY OF THE AWARDS OF THE
OPPORTUNITY IS ACTUALLY GETTING IN THE HANDS OF THE
SUBCONTRACTOR OF THE MINORITY AND SMALL LOCAL BUSINESS.
SO THAT WAS THE SECOND THING.
POSTING THOSE NUMBER MAKING SURE THE PUBLIC SEES THE
TRANSPARENCY IS COMING THROUGH WITH THIS AUDIT.
I CAN TELL YOU WITH TWO-THIRDS OF THE FIRMS IN THE INITIAL
BEING PRIME MINORITY BUSINESS AND SMALL LOCAL BUSINESS AND
50% MORE IN THE NEXT ROUND THAT YOU APPROVE IS REALLY MAKING
A DIFFERENCE FOR THE CITY MOVING FORWARD SO WHAT I AM SAYING
IS I APPRECIATE COUNCIL FOR GIVING THE JOB ORDER CONTRACTING
PROGRAM.
WE ARE HONORED TO TAKE THIS AUDIT AND DO THE CONTINUOUS
IMPROVEMENT BEHIND IT.
I JUST HAD A TWO-PAGE DIRECTIVE THAT IS GOING OUT THAT GOES
OUT TO ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS WITH LOGISTIC ASSET
MANAGEMENT PURCHASING IN THE EBO OFFICE AND THIS IS HOW WE
ARE GOING TO OPERATE FORWARD.
ONE TIME WE PULLED THIS AUDIT, TALK TO COUNCIL AND THE
PUBLIC AND SAYING AN AMAZING TOOL AND DOING A GREAT JOB FOR
CAPITAL MAINTENANCE BUT WE HAD PROGRESSIVE HOUSEKEEPING TO
DO AFTER THE AUDIT CAME OUT.
WE WANT TO EMBED THESE J.O.C. REPORTS FROM OTHER REPORTS
FROM PURCHASING TO INCREASE TRANSPARENCY.
EVEN THOUGH YOU APPROVED IT AND USING IT YOU ARE NOT SEEING
THE DATA UNTIL IT COMES OUT LIKE THIS.
ADRI IS ON LINE.
02:43:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT DOES THAT PROGRAM LOOK LIKE FOR YOU?
02:43:55PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
FOR THE J.O.C. PROGRAM?
EVERY TIME IT IS UTILIZED AND A SCOPE OF SERVICE BEEN THE
PROING.
PICK A NUMBER.
THE CONVENTION CENTER NEEDED SOMETHING TO HIT THE 100,000.
WE PUT THAT MUCH LIKE WE ARE REPORTING NOW QUARTERLY INTO
THAT SAME REPORT.
SO YOU COULD SEE HOW THE JOCK IS BEING USED AS IT RUNS.
A SECOND CATEGORY.
02:44:17PM >> JUST DOUBLE CHECKING TO SEE.
I THINK IF WE WENT TO THE EVERY -- WITH THE EVERY OTHER
MONTH REPORT TO JUST GET THAT SORT OF INFORMATION, I THINK
THAT WILL KEEP US RIGHT ON TRACK.
AND AGAIN DURING OUR CONVERSATIONS, I WOULD LOVE TO ROLL
THAT INTO IT AS WELL.
WHEN WE ARE TALKING OF THE REPORTING.
THAT IS A GREAT IDEA.
02:44:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MIRANDA.
02:44:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I THINK I VOTED FOR THE J.O.C. PROGRAM
ONE IN 100 YEARS.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE ARE LOOKING AT WHAT IS GOING ON.
I AM NOT SAYING WE ARE NOT.
I DON'T KNOW.
WHEN J.O.C. FIRST STARTED.
THE REAL SMALL JOBS.
A SIDEWALK.
SOMETHING FELL OUT OF A CAR.
TEN PIECES OF SO GOING SOMEWHERE.
NOW THE SUBCONTRACTOR FOR THE CITY, FROM WHAT I AM HEARING.
DO WE REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE PAYING THE SUBS?
DO WE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT?
THE OTHER THING IS THE RENT ON THE PROBLEM.
I CAN'T GET THAT IN MY HEAD.
THAT'S WHERE I COME FROM BUT WHY ST. THEY ARE GETTING FREE
RENT OR WERE GETTING FREE RENT.
I DON'T KNOW IN THE PAST.
BUT IN THE PAST, I THINK THAT -- I THINK THIS ADMINISTRATION
POSSIBLY -- I HAVE HAD SO MANY IMAGES IN MY HEAD TODAY AND I
DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY DID.
DID THE AUDIT AND HAD WEIGHTS OF SCALE TO THE MINORITY
PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING FOR THEM DIRECTLY.
BUT THAT'S WHAT I DON'T KNOW.
02:45:49PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
NO, I UNDERSTAND.
THOSE ARE ALL GREAT QUESTIONS.
UNLIKE THE MAN CON PARTS CONTRACT, THERE IS NO RESIDENTIAL
SIDE ON THE CITY.
SO NO RENT IN THE ADMINISTRATION OF THIS PROGRAM.
THERE IS A PARENT CONSULTANT THAT WORKS BETWEEN THE PRIME,
OF COURSE, AND, AGAIN, CREDIT TO BERTHA MITCHELL AND DEANNA
FOR MAKING SURE THAT THOSE SUBS ARE GETTING PAID THROUGH THE
FORMULA.
AND NOW THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A TECHNOLOGY PLATFORM THAT IS
GOING TO TRACK ALL OF THAT AND WILL BE PART OF THE REPORT
AND PART OF THE PUBLIC FACING NUMBERS.
02:46:21PM >> AGAIN, I AM NOT TRYING TO PUT OVERBURDEN SOME ON YOUR
DIVISION OF PURCHASING AND SO FORTH, BUT I THINK YOU
ANSWERED IT AND THEY ARE TAKING CARE OF THAT NOW.
02:46:31PM >>JOHN BENNETT:
YES, SIR.
02:46:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IF NOTHING ELSE?
ASK FOR A MOTION.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S COMMITTEE.
MOVE ITEM 41.
02:46:40PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I MOVE.
02:46:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SECOND.
02:46:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
NEXT UP WE WILL BRING UP MR. ROGERO.
AS PART OF ADMINISTRATION UPDATE GOOD AFTERNOON.
02:46:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DID YOU JUST FLY IN EARLIER TODAY?
02:47:00PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I DID NOT.
02:47:01PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU LOOK LIKE YOU ARE TIRED?
02:47:06PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
FROM FLAPPING MY WINGS.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
CONGRATULATIONS, COUNCIL MIRANDA.
CONGRATULATIONS, DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL.
THANK YOU FOR LITTLE LOWING ME TIME UNDER THE -- PARDON ME
-- ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE.
AS WE GO THROUGH THE AFTERMATH OF THE STORM, I HAVE A NICE
PRIVILEGE TO BRING YOU VERY, VERY GOOD INFORMATION WHEN IT
COMES TO THE CITY'S FINANCES.
WE HAVE RECENTLY HAD A NUMBER OF POSITIVE CREDIT RATING
ACTIONS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRIEFLY WALK YOU AND THE PUBLIC
THROUGH.
NO OFFICIAL PRESENTATION.
THIS IS PRETTY RECENT WITH THE STORM AND EVERYTHING, AND I
DID WANT TO MAKE SURE THE MEDIA OR WHOMEVER WATCHING OUT
THERE DID NOT GET AHEAD OF CITY COUNCIL.
SO IF I CAN HAVE THE ELMO UP, PLEASE.
UNTIL VERY RECENTLY AS COUNCIL KNOWS, THAT WAS OUR OVERALL
CREDIT PICTURE WHERE THE LARGEST CREDIT AGENCIES.
MOODY, FITCH AND STANDARD & POOR'S.
YOU HAVE SEEN THIS.
THE PUBLIC HAS SEEN THIS.
IT IS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE IT REMAINS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE EVEN
THOUGH IT IS ABOUT TO CHANGE.
TWO CREDIT READING UPGRADES.
YOU SEE IN GREEN.
AND ADDITIONAL HIGHER CREDIT RATING ON THE STORMWATER BONDS
NOT TOO FAR AGO.
SECOND HIGHEST YOU CAN GET, AA-PLUS.
ON THE VERY TOP THIS, WE TALKED OF THE ICR, THE ISSUER
CREDIT RATING, THE CITY'S VERSION OF THE FICO.
VERY, VERY GOOD.
TWO SECOND HIGHEST AND ON THE RIGHT THE HIGHEST WE GET
WITH AAA.
BUT AS WE DISCUSSED IN THE PAST, THE RATING AGENCIES SIMPLY
SAID IT AND FORGET IT.
OUR CREDIT RATINGS WERE PLACED FOR REVIEW BY TWO OF THE
LARGEST, THE MOODY'S AND FITCH ORGANIZATIONS.
GIVEN SOME OF THE CHANGES IN METHODOLOGY THAT THEY ARE
INCORPORATING INTO THEIR RATINGS.
AND WE WERE CANDIDATES FOR UPGRADE, AND I AM PLEASED TO SAY
THAT WE ARE NOW MORE THAN CANDIDATES FOR UPGRADE.
AS A REMINDER, OF COURSE, THEY COME IN.
THEY TAKE A VERY BROAD AND DEEP VIEW OF THE CITY'S FINANCES
BUT NOT JUST OUR FINANCES.
OUR NEXT ON CONDITIONS.
OUR PLANNED FUTURE GROWTH.
OUR PLANNED FINANCING.
THINGS LIKE THAT.
OUR CIP FINANCIAL REPORTS.
VERY, VERY THOROUGH.
CAME AND THEY SURVEILLED AND IT HAS BEEN VERY POSITIVE.
I WILL START WITH MOODY'S.
YOU SEE AFTER THE MOODY'S SURVEILLANCE, THEY GAVE US TWO
UPGRADES.
CAN YOU SEE IT OKAY WITH THE CLOSED CAPTIONING?
YOU GET TWO UPGRADES ON THE UTILITIES TAX AND SALES TAX
REVENUE BONDS TO THE SECOND HIGHEST LEVEL THAT YOU CAN
RECEIVE.
THAT IS AA-1.
MOREOVER, THEY DID NOT JUST BUMP US UP ONE, THEY BUMPED US
UP TWO.
ABSOLUTELY OUTSTANDING.
I DON'T KNOW IF I WILL TAKE CREDIT FOR FOUR -- BUT AT LEAST
TWO, VERY, VERY GOOD.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THESE BONDS FUNDS THAT COUNCIL IS
AWARE OF FIRE STATION, STORMWATER PROJECTS, JULIAN B. LANE,
CASS STREET AND BROREIN STREET BRIDGES.
SO VERY, VERY GOOD NEWS FOR TWO OF OUR RATINGS.
BUT IT DOESN'T END THERE.
VERY, VERY NICE TO SHARE THIS POSITIVE NEWS WITH YOU.
FITCH CAME IN AND THE UPGRADES IN GREEN.
STARTING AT THE BOTTOM.
THEY ALSO UPGRADED OUR UTILITY TAX REVENUE BONDS AND THEY
WANT TO STEP FURTHER THAN MOODY'S AN TOOK IT OVER TO AAA,
THE BEST YOU CAN GET.
THIS NON-AD VALOREM REVENUE BOND, AGAIN, THE BEST YOU CAN
GET.
AAA.
AS COUNCIL KNOWS, OUR NON-AD VALOREM BONDS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
FUND OR ARE ANTICIPATED TO FUND MANY, MANY THINGS.
REC CENTERS, OLD CITY HALL RENOVATIONS, PUBLIC TRAINING
FACILITIES, THE MOBILITY PORTION OF OUR PIPES PROGRAM.
SO MANY, MANY THINGS RELIABILITY AND ANTICIPATED TO BE
RELIGHT ON OUR NON-AD VALOREM BONDS AN OUTSTANDING RATING.
CHERRY ON TOP, AT THE TOP, AGAIN, OUR FICO SCORE.
THE BEST A LOCALITY CAN OBTAIN.
AAA RATINGS.
WE NOW HAVE TWO OF THE HIGHEST RATINGS.
THE VERY HIGHEST RATINGS THAT YOU CAN GET AND ONE NOTCH
BELOW THE HIGHEST RATING FOR THE CITY'S FIC FICO SCORE.
THIS IS WHAT YOUR RATINGS, SEVEN CREDIT UPGRADES IN FIVE
YEARS.
MY CONGRATULATIONS, COUNCIL.
MY COMPLIMENTS AND MY THANKS FOR YOUR, THE MAYOR'S, OUR
COMMITMENT TO THE CONSERVATIVE FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT THAT WE
KEPT PACE OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
SO THANK YOU.
GENUINELY.
I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO THANK A FEW OTHERS -- HE WON'T LIKE IT
BUT I WILL SAY IT ANYWAY, THE CHIEF OF STAFF FOR HIS
GUIDANCE.
OUR ADMINISTRATORS, DIRECTORS, THE DEPARTMENTS.
THE DEPARTMENTS ARE NOT RUNNING TIP TOP.
THESE INTERNATIONAL, UNBIASED CREDIT AGENCY, THEY ARE GOING
TO CATCH THAT.
OUR FINANCIAL ADVISORS HELPING US STEER THE COURSE.
BOND COUNSEL, DISCLOSURE COUNSEL, THERE IS ANY NUMBER OF
PEOPLE TO THANK.
BUT TWO PEOPLE I SPECIFICALLY WANT TO THANK, MR. PERRY AND
MR. -- CAN YOU COME UP HERE PLEASE.
LAST ON THE LIST AND FIRST ON MY HEART, THE REVENUE AND
FINANCE DEPARTMENT.
I SAID THIS BEFORE, I WILL SAY THIS AGAIN, I SIMPLY HAVE THE
PRIVILEGE TO COME UP AND SPEAK FOR THAT DEPARTMENT.
AND THESE TWO PEOPLE BEHIND ME ARE ABSOLUTELY INSTRUMENTAL
TO OUR FINANCIAL SUCCESS.
WHETHER IT IS LEE HUFFSTEDLER OUR CHIEF ACCOUNTANT, CRAFTED
US THROUGH AND GUIDING US THROUGH AN EXTERNAL AUDIT BY AN
INDEPENDENT CPA MAKING SURE WE ARE DOING NOW WHAT WE ARE
SUPPOSED TO DO AND WHAT WE DID IN A RETROSPECT FROM A
PROFESSIONAL PERSPECTIVE.
AND MIKE PERRY OUR BUDGET OFFICER.
THE BUDGET, THE C.I.P. THE LIST GOES ON AND ON AND ON.
HE HELPS CRAFT THE FUTURE OF THE CITY FROM A FINANCIAL
PERSPECTIVE.
QUITE SIMPLY, WE ARE LUCKY TO HAVE THEM.
I AM LUCKY TO HAVE THEM.
CONGRATULATIONS AND MY THANKS.
GREAT NEWS FOR THE CITY.
02:54:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YOU ARE RIGHT.
YOU THANKED -- YOU HAVE A GREAT TEAM THERE.
AND FEW THINGS AS BEAUTIFUL AS THESE GREAT CREDIT RATINGS
BECAUSE IT SAVES US A LOT OF MONEY AND SAVES TAXPAYERS A LOT
OF MONEY.
THE BETTER THE CREDIT RATING THE BETTER THE INTEREST RATE
AND THE BETTER WE ARE -- AS WE KEEP MOVING FORWARD BUT AT A
LOWER COST.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
I SAW -- YOU WANT TO GO FIRST OR MIRANDA?
02:54:36PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HE CAN GO FIRST.
02:54:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MIRANDA, CARLSON AND HENDERSON.
02:54:41PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO SAY THANKS TO EVERYONE IN YOUR
DEPARTMENT AND EVERYONE WHO WORKED SO DILIGENTLY IN THE
CITY.
THE LOGISTICS AND ASSET MANAGEMENT, THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND
EVERYONE ELSE, AND ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS FOR MAKING SURE
THAT THIS CREDIT UNION STAYS WAY ABOVE THE NORM.
02:54:54PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU, SIR.
02:54:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
02:54:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WASHINGTON CALLING YOU.
02:55:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, COUPLE OF THINGS.
02:55:03PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, SIR.
02:55:04PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE, THANKS TO YOU AND YOUR STAFF AND THE
DEPARTMENT HEADS THAT SUFFER NOT GETTING ALL THE MONEY THEY
NEED.
THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO HAS BEEN -- ALL THE PEOPLE WHO
ENABLE US, INCLUDING ALL OF THE FOLKS UP HERE WHO ENABLE US
TO KEEP OUR RESERVES HIGH BECAUSE WITHOUT THAT, THIS WILL
ALL GO AWAY.
JUST -- YOU CAN SEND US THE REPORTS IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY.
BUT COULD YOU JUST TELL US REAL SHORT TOP LINE, WAS THERE --
WHAT WAS THEIR REASONING FOR GOING UP?
AND NUMBER TWO, WAS THERE ANY GUIDANCE OR SUGGESTIONS FOR
THE FUTURE?
02:55:35PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
NO, THANK YOU.
AND I AM GOING FROM MEMORY, BUT WE CAN ABSOLUTELY SEND YOU
THE REPORTS.
THE CREDIT RATING AGENCIES HAVE ISSUED THEIR PRESS RELEASES
AS IS THE PRO COOL, BUT PROBABLY ONLY BEING VIEWED IN THE
FINANCIAL SECTORS AND ANOTHER REASON WE WANTED TO GET IN
HERE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AHEAD OF THE STORM SO YOU DIDN'T
HEAR ABOUT THIS SOME PLACE ELSE.
AND A CREDIT TO YOU.
THE ISSUE THE CREDIT RATING, FOR INSTANCE.
I WILL TRY NOT TO BE TOO TECHNICAL, BUT IN OTHER PLACES YOU
HEARD OF COURSE -- WE TALKED OF GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS,
RIGHT.
WHERE WE SAY, HEY, NO MATTER WHAT, EVEN IF IT INCLUDES
RAISING PROPERTY TAXES, WE ARE GOING TO PAY THIS DEBT, OKAY.
IN FLORIDA -- NOT IN ALL STATES, BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT,
ANY LOCALITY HAS TO HAVE A REFERENDUM.
FOR PROBABLY OBVIOUS REASONS, WE DON'T DO GENERAL
OBLIGATIONS -- GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS IN THE STATE OF
FLORIDA, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE CITY HAS NEVER DONE ONE.
MANY OTHER STATES DO.
AND FROM A MARKET AND CREDIT RATING PERSPECTIVE AND AN
INVESTOR PERSPECTIVE, IF YOU ARE GOING TO PLEDGE TO RAISE
PROPERTY TAXES, YOU MUST BE PRETTY SERIOUS ABOUT YOUR INTENT
TO PAY THIS DEBT.
SO IT BECOMES A VERY, VERY SECURED DEBT, VERY GOOD RATINGS.
VERY LOW INTEREST RATES, ETC.
RECENTLY, ONE COUNTY C CHANGES IN THE CREDIT AGENCY RATING
ENVIRONMENT IS -- CAN I GET TO THE ELMO REAL QUICK?
AND JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, YOU SEE THESE NINE AD VALOREM
REVENUE BONDS.
YOU SEE THESE UTILITY REVENUE BONDS.
REVENUE BONDS.
REVENUE BONDS.
ONE OF THE CHANGES IN THESE ENVIRONMENTS.
IF A LOCALITY CAN DO A COVENANT TO BUDGET TO APPROPRIATE.
TO PAY THIS DEBT BACK, EVEN NOT FROM PROPERTY TAXES.
ONE OF THE REASONS WE CALL IT A NON-AD VALOREM BOND.
WE WANT TO MAKE IT VERY SPECIFIC AND EXPLICIT.
WE ARE NOT PLEDGING PROPERTY TAXES.
BUT THE GENERAL PHILOSOPHY HAS TURNED IF WE ARE WILLING TO
DO A COVENANT TO BUDGET AND APPROPRIATE.
THAT IS NOT THE WORD THEY USE, THEY DON'T -- AGREEMENT
OR ASSURANCES.
IT IS A COVENANT.
THEY TAKE IT SERIOUSLY LIKE THEY DON'T COME IN AND DO A
REVIEW, IT IS A SURVEILLANCE.
VERY, VERY SERIOUS.
THEY HAVE BEGUN TO THINK, HEY, IF YOU ARE WILLING TO
COVENANT IT, WE OUGHT TO WEIGHT IT STRONGER THAN IT IS NOW.
BECAUSE YOU ARE MAKING A COMMITMENT COME HELL AND HIGH
WATER, YOU WILL PAY THAT DEBT BACK.
YOU ARE SEEING THAT REFLECTED HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA WITH
OUR SPECIAL REVENUE BONDS AND LEADS UPWARDS INTO THAT
OVERALL CREDIT RATING.
CHANGE IN METHODOLOGY TAKING THOSE RATINGS MORE SERIOUS.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THEY MENTIONED IN THE PRESS RELEASE.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN -- YOU CIRCULATED IT, COUNCILMAN
CARLSON, 20% OF EXPENDITURES.
NOT MEETING 20% BUT EXCEEDING 20% OF EXPENDITURES ON AN
ASSIGNED FUND BALANCE FOR NEARLY 20 YEARS.
THEY HIGHLIGHT THAT.
IN A CONCENTRATED AUDIT FOR REASONS WE TALKED ABOUT.
NOT ONLY A VERY STRONG FUND BALANCE, BUT WHEN THINGS ARISE,
WHETHER KNOWN OR UNKNOWN, WE ARE PREPARED TO DEAL WITH THOSE
THINGS.
AND, AGAIN, RECOGNIZING THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS A VERY, VERY
STRONG ECONOMIC DRIVER IN OUR METROPOLITAN STATISTICAL AREA.
I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
02:59:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
02:59:12PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES, I WROTE A LITTLE NOTE TO MYSELF ON
HERE.
WAIT A SECOND AND LET ME LOOK AT IT REALLY QUICK.
CONGRATULATIONS, FIRST OF ALL.
02:59:21PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU.
02:59:22PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I GOT HERE 17 MONTHS AGO, YOU ALL CAME UP
HERE A COUPLE OF TIMES RECEIVING AWARDS, YOU KNOW, NOR THE
FINANCE DEPARTMENT.
AND SO THIS IS PROOF THAT THE WORK HAS CONTINUED IN A VERY
SUCCESSFUL WAY AND I COMMEND YOU ON THAT.
02:59:37PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU.
02:59:37PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE -- ONE OF THE
COMPLAINTS THAT COME FROM UP HERE IS ABOUT OUR BONDING
CAPACITY AND APPARENTLY IT HAS NOT HURT US AT ALL.
WE ARE CAPABLE OF DOING THAT AND WE DO IT AT THE RIGHT TIME
APPARENTLY IF OUR SCORES ARE REPRESENTED THE SAME WAY THAT,
YOU KNOW, MY CREDIT SCORES ARE REPRESENTED.
SO I HAVE A GREAT APPRECIATION FOR INFORMATION.
02:59:59PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU.
03:00:00PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IN TERMS OF OUR FUTURE OUTLOOK, ANYTHING
THAT WE SHOULD ANTICIPATE FROM YOU ALL THAT IS GOING TO COME
BEFORE US?
OR ARE YOU EVER CONCERNED ABOUT ANYTHING THAT WE ARE DOING
IN THE FUTURE IN TERMS OF INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS THAT COULD
IMPACT US AT ANY CAPACITY FINANCIALLY?
03:00:22PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YOU KNOW, AFFECTS OF THIS STORM NOT
WITHSTANDING BECAUSE WE ARE REVIEWING THAT.
THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR SHARED OUR DAMAGE
ASSESSMENT IS NEARLY $80,000.
ABOUT TEN TIMES WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR HURRICANE RESERVE.
03:00:36PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
BUT YOU CAN GET FEMA TO HELP OUT WITH
THAT AS WELL.
03:00:41PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
ABSOLUTELY, FEMA, INSURANCES, FEDERAL,
STATE REIMBURSEMENT.
IT WILL BE A CRASH FLOW LIQUIDITY ISSUE.
THE DAMAGES ARE EXTENSIVE.
SETTING ASIDE WHAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE STORM.
WE THINK WITH THE FIVE-YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, THE
SOLID WASTE EXERCISE THAT WE JUST GONE THROUGH, OR THE PIPES
PROGRAM -- AND WE WILL BE SHARING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
ABOUT THE PIPES PROGRAM.
WE THINK AS THE CITY, WE HAVE A SHORT-TERM AND LONG-TERM
PLAN FOR INFRASTRUCTURE REGARDING OF THE FUNDING SOURCE.
THIS WILL ONLY, OF COURSE, HELP US FOR SOME OF THE REASONS
THE CHAIR STATED.
LOWER INTEREST RATES AND ETC.
03:01:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU.
YES, MA'AM.
03:01:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I JUST WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS.
03:01:30PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
03:01:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST FOR THE PUBLIC IN LOOKING AT THIS CHART.
IT LOOKS TO ME, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE LOWEST
RATING WE HAVE IS CAPITAL A, TWO LOWERCASE As.
03:01:43PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
CAPITAL A, TWO LOWERCASE As.
03:01:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
UNDER WATER BONDS AND MOODY'S.
03:01:53PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
NO, MA'AM.
ITS IN GREEN.
THAT IS THEIR EQUIVALENT OF A TRIPLE A ALL CAPS.
A THAT IS THE HIGHEST.
LITTLE CONFUSING.
03:02:07PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T SEE ANY ON HERE.
WHAT IS THE LOWEST IT GETS.
DOES IT GO TO OTHER LETTERS.
03:02:14PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, MA'AM.
IT GOES TO INVESTMENT -- JUNK BONDS, A, B, C, D, AND
EVEN Z.
03:02:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE ARE IN TE ALL A.
SOME ARE PLUSES, SOME ARE MINUSES.
BUT SINCE IT WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE STORM, I WAS GOING TO
TALK ABOUT THIS.
THE CONCERN IS LOSS OF PROPERTY TAX FROM THE DAMAGES AND
FROM, QUITE FRANKLY, SOME OF OUR HEALTHIEST AREA THAT
PROVIDE THE MOST PROPERTY TAX.
SO I -- I AM -- I AM LESS BULLISH ON BONDING THAN I WAS
BEFORE.
I AM VERY CONCERNED.
I EXPECT THAT WE ALL WILL HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS GOING
FORWARD.
TODAY IS NOT THE DAY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
GUIDE IN THAT REGARD IS WONDERFULLY HELPFUL.
WE STILL HAVE TWO FULL MONTHS OF HURRICANE SEASON.
WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THIS WILL STILL BE BUSY.
SO I AM VERY INTERESTED TO -- TO -- TO SEE WHAT IS NEXT.
AND WHAT WE CAN DO.
AND, YOU KNOW, I AM -- I AM CONFIDENT IN -- IN HOW -- IN HOW
WE HAVE GONE THROUGH STORMS BEFORE.
AND YOU MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT WE GET 80% TO 90% BACK OF
WHAT WE SPENT AND IF WE DON'T HAVE IN THE HURRICANE RESERVE,
WE CAN'T SPEND.
I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING THE CONVERSATIONS FURTHER ,AND
I WANTED TO SAY THAT IT IS ON MY MIND ALREADY, AND IT HAS TO
BE ON YOURS AS WELL.
SO I WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS BECAUSE WE MAY NEED THESE.
03:03:48PM >> YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YOUR CONCERNS ARE WELL-FOUNDED.
WE HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS AND WE WILL HAVE MANY, MANY
CONVERSATIONS AND GO THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT MECHANISMS
THAT WE WILL HAVE TO GET US THROUGH, BECAUSE AS WE DISCUSSED
BEFORE, FEDERAL REIMBURSEMENT IS NOT ALWAYS THE QUICKEST.
03:04:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
03:04:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO YOU HAVE CONVERSATIONS OF PROPERTY
APPRAISER HENRIQUEZ OF POSSIBLE REVENUE DROPS BECAUSE OF THE
DESTRUCTION?
03:04:19PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
NOT YET.
WE, OF COURSE, WILL.
WHAT I WOULD EXPECT IS THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT
THEY DON'T KNOW BEFORE WE START HAVING AN INTERAGENCY
DISCUSSION.
03:04:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD, THANK YOU.
03:04:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:04:33PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:04:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. BAIRD, 76.
OR SOMEBODY.
YES, SIR.
AND WE HAVE A POWERPOINT TO GO WITH ITEM NUMBER 76.
03:04:45PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THIS WILL RUN.
MAY I MAKE SOME QUICK MOTIONS ON SOME OTHER ITEMS HERE.
03:04:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FOR YOUR NEW BUSINESS JUST IN CASE?
03:04:53PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IT IS, BUT ALSO WITH ANOTHER ITEM HERE THAT I
DON'T THINK I AM GOING TO BE HERE FOR.
I WANTED TO FEEL COUNCIL OUT ON THIS.
03:05:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I DON'T THINK THIS WILL BE VERY LONG.
03:05:02PM >> I CAN BE SHORT.
03:05:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE WILL MAKE SURE YOU WILL GET THAT
BEFORE 3:30.
GO AHEAD.
03:05:10PM >> ERIC WEISS, WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR.
IF I CAN PULL UP THE POWERPOINT.
IT IS VERY BRIEF.
THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU IS A GUARANTEE MAXIMUM PRICE CONTRACT
FOR OUR MASTER PLAN PROJECT AT THE HOWARD F. CURREN ADVANCED
WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AND SPECIFIC LEAVE SLUDGE
DIGESTION EXPANSION PROJECT.
I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF SLIDES HERE.
MAY LOOK FAMILIAR.
LAST MONTH, I DID A SIX-MONTH PIPES UPDATE.
I TALKED ABOUT THIS VERY PROJECT.
WE FINISHED NEGOTIATIONS.
AND THIS IS THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE CONTRACT.
I THINK I WENT ONE TOO MANY -- THERE WE GO.
SO AT THE HOWARD CURREN PLANT.
WE COLLECT SOLIDS THROUGH THE PROCESS CALLED SLUDGE.
WE TREAT THE SLUDGE TO WHAT EPA CALLS A CLASS B WHICH WE
DISPOSE OF IT.
WE TREAT THE SLUDGE ON-SITE WITH AN AEROBIC DIGESTION.
WHAT THAT IS, THE MIDDLE OF THE PICTURE BIG TANKS CALLED
ANAEROBIC DIGESTERS.
RAW SLUDGE GOES INTO THE BIG TANKS.
YOU HEAT IT UP 95 DEGREES.
15 DAYS.
STIR IT UP.
WHAT THAT DOES GETS RID OF THE PROTOZOANS AND A LOT OF THE
ORGANIC MODELS.
WE HAVE SEVEN OF THE TANKS.
FOUR OF THEM WERE THE ORIGINAL TANKS BUILT IN THE 1950s.
BEYOND THE SERVICE LIFE.
ALL THE PIPING, COMPRESSORS PUMPS, SO THAT IS WHAT THE
BACKBONE OF THIS PROJECT IS, AND IRONICALLY, THERE IS A
SUSTAINABILITY THAT SENDS TO THIS.
JUST LIKE OTHER PARTS OF THE PLAN THAT YOU MAY HAVE HEARD,
IT WAS ENGINEERING PRACTICE AT THAT TIME IN THE 50s AND 60s.
PUT THE ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT BELOW GRADE IN THE BASEMENT,
YOU DON'T SEE IT.
THAT CAME BACK TO HURT US LAST WEEK.
WE HAVE THREE SLUDGE CONTROL BUILDINGS FOR THIS PROCESS.
ONE OF THEM FLOODED OUT.
ABOUT $250,000 WORTH OF DAMAGE AND STILL NOT ONLINE.
GETTING CLOSE HOPEFULLY BY TODAY AND TOMORROW.
OPINION BUT IT FLOODED THE BASEMENT, THE COMPRESSORS, THE
PUMPS, THE ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT.
PART INFORM GMP, YOU GET TWO OF THESE BIG TANKS, ABOUT TWO
AND A HALF MILLION GALLONS OF STORAGE EACH.
THE NEW SLUDGE CONTROL BUILDINGS ARE ABOVE GRADE, 100-YEAR
FLOOD PLAIN.
I HAVE ONE MORE QUICK SLIDE, OKAY.
THIS GMP I AM TALKING ABOUT IS PHASE TWO.
I AM QUICKLY GOING TO TALK OF A PHASE THREE, BECAUSE THEY
ARE KIND OF INTERELATED.
IN THE AEROBIC DIGESTERS WE MAKE METHANE GAS.
EQUIVALENT TO 1.4 MILLION GALLONS OF DIESEL FUEL.
THAT IS HOW MUCH IT IS WORTH.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE FROM THE 1970s TO A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO,
WE USED THAT METHANE GAS, PUT IT IN GENERATORS TO PRODUCE
ELECTRICITY AND OFFSET ABOUT 20% OF OUR ELECTRIC COST TO THE
PLAN.
FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, THEY GOT TOO OLD AND UNREPAIRABLE.
YOU SEE IN THE MIDDLE PICTURE A FLARE.
WE HAVE BEEN FLARING IT EVER SINCE BECAUSE YOU GOT TO GET
RID OF IT.
OUR MASTER PLAN SAID LOOK AT A BUNCH OF ALTERNATIVES.
THE BEST WAY FORWARD TO TAKE THIS METHANE GAS.
CLEAN IT UP.
CONSIDERED DIRTY GAS.
THROUGH THE TOP RIGHT, MEMBRANES IT WILL GO THROUGH TO CLEAN
IT.
IF WE TAKE THAT GAS, YOU CAN PUT IT INTO THE NATURAL GAS
PIPELINE AND IF IT IS USED FOR TRANSPORTATION FUELS LIKE THE
PICTURE, I RS GIVES YOU A TAX CREDIT.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE NOW A NEW PROGRAM THAT WE COULD GET $20
MILLION OFF OUR PHASE TWO GMP TODAY.
WE WILL KNOW IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS.
THEY KIND OF DID DRAFT RULES.
KIND OF VAGUE.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE ELIGIBLE, BUT WE HIRED AN OUTSIDE TAX
CONSULTANT TO HELP US.
AND -- AND NEW RULES COMING OUT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF
MONTHS.
WE WILL KNOW SOON AND HELPFUL TO GET THAT $20 MILLION.
I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS PROJECT.
03:09:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:09:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU KNOW BEFORE I -- JUST A QUICK QUESTION.
THIS WILL BE BONDED OR -- THROUGH WASTEWATER, CORRECT?
03:09:29PM >> THROUGH WASTEWATER, THE PIPES PROGRAM.
03:09:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EXCELLENT.
WE HAVE ALL THOSE NEW RATINGS.
THAT'S IT.
THIS IS A VERY -- I WOULD SAYS IT AN EXCITING PROJECT.
I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO WHAT WE ARE DOING.
HOW -- WHAT IS THE TIME FRAME FOR THIS PROJECT?
03:09:47PM >> ACTUALLY A THREE-YEAR PROJECT.
BECAUSE A LOT OF IT HAS TO BE IN SERIES.
BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE TO RUN THE PLANT AND RUN THE OTHER
SLUDGE DIGESTERS THAT KEEP THEM GOING WHILE WE ARE ADDING
THIS.
AND THE USUAL LONG LEAD TIME OF GETTING BIG PIECES OF
ROTATING EQUIPMENT.
03:10:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
03:10:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY ELSE?
IF NOT, A MOTION TO MOVE THIS ITEM.
03:10:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SO MOVED.
03:10:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
03:10:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
03:10:14PM >> IS THIS TWO READINGS THOUGH?
IS THAT THE WAY --
03:10:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THIS IS JUST ONE ITEM.
IT WAS PLACED UNDER STAFF REPORTS BECAUSE OF THE DOLLAR
AMOUNT.
03:10:23PM >>.
03:10:27PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
BRAD BAIRD, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR.
BECAUSE IT IS OVER 20 MILLION, IT HAS TO COME BACK A SECOND
TIME.
03:10:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BY MOVING THE RESOLUTION IT SETS IT FOR
FIRST READING.
03:10:39PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
THIS WAS FOR DISCUSSION.
THE SECOND ONE IS FOR APPROVAL.
03:10:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OH, OKAY.
03:10:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOTION TO RECONSIDER.
03:10:50PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SECOND.
03:10:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, OPPOSED?
03:11:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOTION TO BRING IT BACK FOR APPROVAL ON OCTOBER
17.
03:11:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
ALL RIGHT.
LAST ITEM OF THE DAY BEFORE NEW BUSINESS IS ITEM NUMBER 81,
A MOTION I DID COUNCILMAN VIERA.
MR. JUSTIN VASKE IS HERE WITH A VERBAL REPORT.
YOU HAVE MOTIONS REGARDING THIS.
03:11:23PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I DO.
AND I WILL SET THIS UP IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
WE LEARNED THAT THE APPRENTICESHIP ORDINANCE THAT WE PASSED
-- GOSH, I THINK IT WAS 020, IF I RECALL, HAS BEEN PREEMPTED
BY THE -- BY THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE AND THE GOVERNOR.
AND I -- I THINK THAT IS AWFUL.
I THINK THAT IS TERRIBLE.
WHAT WE SOUGHT TO DO HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA WAS TO HAVE A
-- A MIDDLE PATH, I GUESS, FULL WITH WHAT ST. PETERSBURG DID
WHERE THEY HAVE A 15% NUMBER WITHOUT THE ACCOMMODATIONS THAT
WE HAD, AS WELL AS THE DISADVANTAGED CITIZENS PROVISION.
WHAT WE SOUGHT TO DO WAS TO HAVE IT AT 12%.
TO HAVE A NUMBER OF GOOD FAITH EFFORTS SO THAT IF SOMEBODY
DIDN'T REACH THAT 12%, WE COULD WORK WITH THEM TO TRY TO HIT
A TRIPLE OPPOSED TO A GRAND SLAM ON THAT ISSUE.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU ARE A HAMMER,
EVERYTHING IS A NAIL, RIGHT.
UNFORTUNATELY WE FELL UNDER THAT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I WANTED JUSTIN TO COME AND BRIEF US ON THIS.
I WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION.
OUR MAIN TOOL HAS UNFORTUNATELY HAS BEEN TAKEN AWAY FROM US.
I THOUGHT WE USE IT IN A VERY REASONABLE WAY.
I WANTED TO MOTION WITH STAFF TO COME TO BACK AN ORDINANCE
AND INCENTIVES OF STATE CERTIFIED APPRENTICESHIP AND
DIFFERENT PROGRAMS WE CAN TAKE BECAUSE THIS IS -- TO ME,
THIS IS A REAL PUNCH IN THE GUT FOR TAMPA'S WORKING FAMILIES
AND YOUNG PEOPLE WHO WANT A SHOT IN LIFE.
AGAIN, THAT IS JUST THE WAY IT IS.
03:13:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. VASKE, GO.
03:13:09PM >>JUSTIN VASKE:
JUSTIN VASKE, CITY ATTORNEY'S DEPARTMENT.
I AM WORKING ON AN ORDINANCE AM SOPPED THINGS IN THE OLD
ORDINANCE WE CAN'T ENFORCE.
I AM LOOKING FOR AN INCENTIVE PROGRAM.
I AM WORKING WITH BRENDA AND HOPEFULLY WILL HAVE SOMETHING
BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
I WON'T SAY SAVE THE ORDINANCE BUT THE SAME SECTION OF THE
CODE AND SIMILAR PROVISIONS, BUT WE CAN'T REQUIRE ANYTHING,
SO WE ARE JUST GOING TO MAKE IT INCENTIVIZED, BUT THAT'S IT.
THAT'S ALL.
03:13:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN.
03:13:38PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
03:13:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MAKE A SUGGESTION AND GIVE PLENTY OF TIME
AND CONTINUE TO FEBRUARY 20.
03:13:46PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I AM OKAY WITH THAT.
03:13:47PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
03:13:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:13:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
AND I WOULD -- I -- -- I WOULD AT LEAST LIKE INDIVIDUAL,
LIKE, DISCUSSION.
I THINK TALKING TO EACH OF US ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT
CAN HAPPEN.
I WOULD LOVE TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT -- TO TALK OF SOME OF
THE INCENTIVES IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
WE CAN REALLY, REALLY MAKE IT WORTH PEOPLE'S WHILE.
03:14:13PM >>JUSTIN VASKE:
RIGHT.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE BRENDA McKENZIE INVOLVED WITH
THAT.
IF THERE WAS A MOTION, WOULD LIKE FOR HER NAME TO BE
INVOLVED.
03:14:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
03:14:25PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AND THAT IS WHAT I WAS -- I WROTE IT DOWN.
FOR MISS McKENZIE TO COME BACK.
I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THE NUMBER OF DOLLARS AND
APPRENTICESHIPS WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS
ORDINANCE.
I WILL BE A BROKEN RECORD ON THIS.
WHEN WE STARTED WORKING ON THIS, I STARTED MEETING WITH THE
UNIONS AND THE CONTRACTING COMMUNITY MAYBE NINE MONTHS
BEFORE I BROUGHT IT UP AT CITY COUNCIL.
BECAUSE I WANTED SOMETHING THAT GOT INPUT FROM BOTH SIDES
THAT WE COULD MOVE FORWARD.
MY BIG AIM -- IT IS DONE AND I WILL BE TRANSPARENT WAS TO
TRY TO AVOID LITIGATION BECAUSE.
I WILL BE HONEST, I AM SURPRISED THAT LAWS LIKE THAT LASTED
AS LONG AS THEY DID FROM TALLAHASSEE.
WE HAVE THREE AND A HALF YEARS ON THIS WHICH IS A YEAR AND A
HALF A TWO YEARS LONGER THAN I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE.
I AM JUST BEING HONEST.
I THOUGHT OUR ORDINANCE WAS A VERY GOOD ORDINANCE THAT
ACCOMMODATED SMALL BUSINESSES AND MEDIUM BUSINESSES, AND,
ETC.
AND MOVED THIS FORWARD -- COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN, WHAT DATE DO
YOU HAVE?
03:15:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FEBRUARY 20.
03:15:33PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I AM FINE WITH THAT.
HAVE STAFF, LEGAL, YOURSELF OR SOMEBODY ELSE, MISS McKENZIE
COME BACK ON A NUMBER OF ISSUES.
NUMBER ONE, TO COME BACK WITH AN ORDINANCE CONSISTENT WITH
STATE LAW OF INCENTIVES IN THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR CONTRACTORS
FOR APPRENTICESHIP, NUMBER ONE, NUMBER TWO FOR MISS McKENZIE
TO GIVE US A BRIEFING OF WHAT THAT APPRENTICESHIP LAW HAS
DONE AND NOT NECESSARILY A PART OF IT, ALL COUNCILMEMBERS
BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE CAN DO, AND WE
OUGHT TO MAXIMIZE THAT ATs AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
SO UNLESS ANYBODY --
03:16:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND WITH AN ADDITION, IF I COULD.
03:16:11PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE.
03:16:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT INVOLVING THE CONTRACTING
COMMUNITY AND THE UNION.
UP WOULD LOVE IF THOSE COULD BE A PART OF IT, BECAUSE THERE
IS NO POINT IN BUILDING INCENTIVES IF THEY WON'T BE USED.
03:16:26PM >>LUIS VIERA:
VERY TRUE.
03:16:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
ANYTHING ELSE?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
THAT CONCLUDES THE AGENDA.
GO TO NEW BUSINESS.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, I KNOW YOU GOT TO GO, SO I WILL START WITH
YOU.
03:16:39PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I HAVE FIVE MINUTES.
YES.
LET ME FIND MY MOTIONS HERE.
THERE WASN'T MUCH THERE.
SO I GOT THAT OUT OF THE WAY.
THAT OUT OF THE WAY.
SO WE HAD A BRIEFING TODAY ON THE -- ON THE GROCERY STORE
ISSUE MORE SO FOR SULPHUR SPRINGS.
AND WE ARE TALKING A LOT ABOUT THAT IN -- IN CRA RIGHT NOW,
BECAUSE CRA IS WHERE WE ARE CHOOSING TO MANEUVER THAT.
HOWEVER, BARRING THAT, IS ANYONE AWARE OF THE FARM SHARE
PROGRAM IN PINELLAS COUNTY?
ANYONE AWARE OF THAT -- IN MIAMI, YES.
YOU KNOW WHAT I WILL DO IS, I WILL SEND A MEMO OUT TO CITY
COUNCIL BEFORE I MAKE THIS MOTION, BUT FARM SHARE IS A
PROGRAM WHERE LOCAL GROCERS.
SMALL BUSINESSES GET TOGETHER IN AREAS THAT ARE -- THAT
DON'T HAVE THE BEST ACCESS TO GROCERY STORES, ETC.
AND SET UP JUST THAT, A FARM SHARE.
I THINK THAT SOMETHING LIKE THEY CAN IN SULPHUR SPRINGS.
I REMEMBER -- AND BY THE WAY IN FULL TRANSPARENCY, A MEMBER
OF THE STAFF TALKED TO ME ABOUT A WEEK AGO AND NOT MY IDEA,
SO I THINK THAT WILL BE A GREAT IDEA.
I WILL DO THAT NEXT BEAK, IF YOU MAY BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO
SEND THAT OUT.
THE SECOND THING IS -- I GOT THE NUMBER ON THE RACIAL
RECONCILIATION COMMITTEE.
SO TO HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL MEETINGS -- THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE
NUMBER.
VERY ON POINT, 15,225.50.
I DO AGREE -- AND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID AND I WAS GOING
TO ADDRESS THIS AS WELL, THAT HAVING THESE TOPICS, RIGHT,
PUT TWO IN ONE MEETING, I DON'T THINK WILL BE EFFICIENT.
IF WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS, WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS RIGHT.
WE ORIGINALLY THOUGHT OF REQUESTING $75,000 FOR THIS ECONOMY
COMMITTEE AND EVEN WITH THIS, $10,000 UNDER THE LEVEL WE
ORIGINALLY CONSIDERED.
AND THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION.
I WANT TO STRESS THIS BECAUSE THIS IS SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE
THERE IS ALWAYS DIALOGUE AND ISSUES, ETC.
WHEN I MOTIONED FOR THIS, I MET WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT
COMMUNITY GROUPS ON IT.
WE TALKED ABOUT HERE IN COUNCIL AS WELL.
THE TOPICS THAT WOULD BE ON THIS.
I HAVE GONE OVER MR. -- WITH MR. SHELBY THE DIFFERENT
RESOLUTIONS.
I GO OVER THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS -- TO CALL IT A SENSITIVE
ISSUE IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT.
I TRY TO DEAL WITH THAT IN A WAY.
IF COUNCILMEMBERS HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL TOPICS OR ANYTHING OF
THAT NATURE THEY WANT TO ADD ON TO IT, KNOW THAT WE VOTED ON
IT.
-- I THINK WE TALLIED SEVEN TIMES OR SORE WITH THE PROGRAM
WE DISCUSSED WITH THE COMMITTEE AND MY OFFICE IS PUTTING A
LOT OF TIME INTO THIS.
SO IF OTHER OFFICES HAVE IDEAS OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE
THAT YOU WANT TO PUT ON THERE, WE CAN DO THAT.
BUT YOU GOT TO HELP.
BECAUSE WE ARE TAKING A LOT OF TIME IN MY OFFICE ON THIS.
AND I AM GLAD TO DO THAT.
BUT I JUST SAY THAT.
MY MOTION IS BARRING THAT FOR 15,262.50 TO COMPLETE THE
NUMBER OF MEETINGS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A ROBUST -- A TRULY
ROBUST RECONCILIATION COMMITTEE.
03:19:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:19:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
BUT CAN WE ROUND THAT NUMBER.
PENNIES IN GOVERNMENT MAKE ME UNCOMFORTABLE.
03:19:54PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I KNOW.
HOW ABOUT $20,000.
03:19:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SURE, 20,000 WORKS.
MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION -- AND, AGAIN, I -- I WAS THINKING
ABOUT THIS TODAY.
FOR EACH ITEM, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE WILL HAVE THE
FACILITATOR.
THERE BE ACTUAL STAFF MEMBERS THERE TO TALK.
SO LIKE DURING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, SOMEONE BE THERE TO TALK
ABOUT WHAT WE ARE ALREADY DO IN AFFORDABLE HOUSE SOMETHING
IN GOOD.
03:20:22PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, MA'AM.
03:20:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION.
03:20:26PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE DEAL WITH ORGANIZATIONS TO DEAL WITH THE
PARTICULAR TOP, INC. AND STAFF MEMBERS THERE.
THAT IS PART OF WHAT WE ARE DOING.
A GREAT QUESTION.
03:20:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL SECOND THAT.
AND REALLY LOOKING FORWARD THIS, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR
YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THIS.
03:20:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND THEN CLENDENIN.
03:20:42PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS MORNING THAT THERE ARE
SOME NEW FACTORS BECAUSE OF THE STORM.
AND -- TO THE EXTENT STAFF MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP, IT WOULD
BE GREAT TO GET THOSE REIMBURSED BY FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OR
SOMEBODY.
IF -- WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS THE POST STORM ISSUES
ANYWAY.
IF IT IS PACKAGED IN THE RIGHT WAY, MAYBE IT WILL GET
REIMBURSED.
03:21:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
ANYTHING ELSE, SIR.
03:21:08PM >>LUIS VIERA:
NO, SIR.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
03:21:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BEFORE I START WITH EVERYBODY ELSE, I
HAVE QUICK MOTIONS.
03:21:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
UH-OH.
03:21:22PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WHY CAN'T YOU GO --
03:21:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BECAUSE I GET RUSHED.
03:21:27PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YOU ARE THE CHAIR CLENDENIN CHAIR PRO TEM
RECOGNIZES COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
03:21:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A REMINDER TO ALL COUNCILMEMBERS.
WE HAVE UNTIL THE END OF OCTOBER TO TALK TO ADRI COLINA OF
THE CITY COUNCIL RENOVATIONS.
I MENTIONED IT.
FYI, COUNCIL EVENING MEETING WAS SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER 1 AT
5:01 P.M. 12 ITEMS ON THAT EVENING.
A REGULAR DAY MEETING.
AND THEN WE HAVE THIS.
SO WE CAN CATCH UP.
WE NEED TO RESCHEDULED OUR WORKSHOP FROM SEPTEMBER 26,
POSSIBLY ADD THE WORKSHOP ITEMS A REGULAR MEETING COULD BE
AN OPTION.
TO DO WE HAVE TO DO THAT TODAY, MR. SHELBY --
03:22:13PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SORRY?
03:22:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FOR WORKSHOPS.
THE WORKSHOPS WE WERE GOING TO HAVE LAST WEEK BECAUSE OF THE
STORM.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT DATES.
DO WE DO THAT TODAY --
03:22:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU DON'T REASON IS TO.
03:22:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN'T WE MOVE THE AGENDA ITEMS TO AN
EXISTING SCHEDULED WORKSHOP.
03:22:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DON'T HAVE ANOTHER WORKSHOP UNTIL FEBRUARY.
03:22:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE CAN THINK ABOUT BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT
THURSDAY A DATE.
SO COUNCILMEMBERS CAN LOOK.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:22:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I AM ADAMANT THAT WE TRY TO GET THIS DONE.
ANOTHER ADDITION I WANTED TO ADD.
I THINK WE NEED A WORK.
SHOP ABOUT THIS STORM.
WE NEED TO TALK OF POSSIBILITIES.
SUCCESSES.
LIKE A SWAT ANALYSES.
SUCCESS, OPPORTUNITIES, WEAKNESSES, THREATS ABOUT WHAT IS
LOOMING FOR FINANCES.
WHAT IS LOOMING FOR -- YOU KNOW, WHAT -- WHAT DID OUR FIRST
RESPONDERS NEED THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE.
THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I THINK -- IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO KIND OF COMBINE ALL
OF THAT.
I WILL ABSOLUTELY LOOK AT MY CALENDAR.
03:23:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE WILL TAKE AN .
03:23:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NEXT THURSDAY NIGHT, COUNCILMEMBERS,
LOOK AT THE CALENDARS AND WHERE WE CAN FIT IN THAT WORKSHOP
AND ADD THAT STORM ONE.
YES, SIR?
03:23:32PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ARE YOU ALSO CONTEMPLATING -- CONTEMPLATING
A THURSDAY AND ANY OTHER DAYS OF THE WEEK A TUESDAY OR --
03:23:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LOOK AT THURSDAY -- WE JUST ADDED THAT
EVENING MEETING TO THE REGULAR CITY COUNCIL DAY MEETING.
03:23:46PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PERHAPS -- AND WE WILL SEE IF WE CAN GET
THAT AGENDA BACK -- PERHAPS SOME CAN BE CONVERTED TO STAFF
REPORTS.
SOME OF THOSE ITEMS THAT CAN BE EXPEDITED.
03:23:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DO IT BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT THURSDAY.
03:24:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AN IOU NEXT.
03:24:04PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
CAN I SAY SOMETHING -- IMPORTANT FOR ME
FOR JBL WAS PART OF THAT WORKSHOP AND THE CONTRACT IS
EXPIRING IN APRIL.
THE SOONER THE BETTER FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT IS VERY
IMPORTANT.
WE CAN'T KICK THAT CAN DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE OF THE NATURE
OF IT BEING A CONTRACT THAT IS EXPIRING AND ALL OF THE
THINGS THAT IT TAKES TO BE NOTIFIED -- TO BE NOTIFIED
FOR RFP.
03:24:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BRING THAT TO THE TABLE BEFORE NEXT WEEK.
03:24:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MAKE IT BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR TO
STAY WITHIN THE TIME PERIOD.
03:24:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:24:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
A WAY -- IF WE CAN LOOK AT THE AGENDA WE CAN
ADD IT TO ONE OF OUR STAFF REPORTS TIMES TO DISCUSS IT.
03:24:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BRING IT TO THE MEETING NEXT WEEK AND
RESCHEDULED NECK WEEKS.
03:24:46PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I WANT TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE IT IS A
WORKSHOP WE HAVE TO NOTIFY THE PUBLIC.
DOING A WORKSHOP WITHIN A MEETING, IS THAT --
03:24:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT IS AN IMPORTANT TOPIC.
WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN.
I WOULD LIKE TO WISH COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON A EARLY
BIRTHDAY.
 HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU 
 HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU 
03:25:07PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ALREADY VOTED US THE MOST ENTERTAINING
 HAPPY BIRTHDAY COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON 
 HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU 
03:25:19PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
LAST YEAR OF THE BABY BOOMERS, 1964.
03:25:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
JUST LIKE MY AUNT, THAT'S RIGHT.
LAST ITEM, PROVIDE A COMMENDATION OFF-SITE.
CELEBRATION OF LIFE FOR RUTH "MOTHER" HODGES.
CELEBRATION OF LIFE OCTOBER 5, 2024 IN LAKELAND.
RETIRED TEACHER/EDUCATORS.
ARE, TUTOR, ACADEMIC TUTOR, MUSIC TEACHER.
AWARD RECIPIENT FOR THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY HUMAN RIGHTS
BOARD I WAS A MEMBER OF YEARS AGO AND PRESENTLY HONORED BY
THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL IN 2004.
SENSE THEN HONORED FOR HER HUMANITARIAN TRIPS TO HAITI.
RECENTLY PASSED AWAY COMPLETING 55 HUMANITARIAN TRIPS.
I AM GOING TO DRIVE OVER.
IF FIB WANTS TO JOIN ME, 11, 12:00.
I WILL PRESENT IT TO THE FAMILY.
A REMARKABLE PERSON.
03:26:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
03:26:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
03:26:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO, I -- TOP HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT
THE STORM AND ABOUT WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN ABOUT THE
ENVIRONMENT.
THE ENVIRONMENT -- I NEVER SEEN SO MANY STORMS COME OUT OF
THE GULF.
NEVER TAMPA IT IS GETTING -- IT IS GETTING SCARY WHAT
HAPPENING IS.
I HOPE I AM WRONG, BUT -- MORE OF A REGULAR OCCURRENCE THAN
IN THE PAST.
IN THE PAST IT WAS ONE OR TWO AND THAT WAS IT AND THAT WAS
LATE OCTOBER.
NOW IT IS CHANGING.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOUSING AND YOU LOOK AT HOW WE BUILD.
I AM NOT TRYING TO CHANGE THE WORLD.
I CAN TELL YOU GO TO ANY ISLAND IN THE CARIBBEAN.
THEY DON'T WHERE LIKE WE BUILD.
EVERYTHING IS CONCRETE FROM CEILING DOWN AND NOTHING LEAVES.
NOW WHEN THEY GO OUT TO THE CAMPO -- THEY CALL IS THEO, THE
FARM AREAS, THEY TEAR THEM APART.
BUT THOSE BUILDINGS ARE NOT THROWN DOWN.
THEY DON'T HAVE ANY EAVES OR HANGOVERS.
THEY CAN TAKE THE WALLS THAT COLLAPSE BECAUSE THE ROOF
LEAVES AND THE WALLS FALL IN.
NOTHING IS DONE.
I SAW SOMETHING ON TELEVISION AND AN INDIVIDUAL THAT DID
SOMETHING ON ONE OF THE BEACHES.
THE WATER DOES NOT GO IN THE HOUSE.
HE BUILT SOMETHING THAT -- RAILS, ALUMINIUM.
AND THE BACK HAS GOT RUBBER.
AND THE WINDOWS AND GARAGES AND PLEXIGLASS ALL THE WAY DOWN
TO THE FLOOR.
UP TO SIX-FOOT HIGH, THE WATER WILL NOT GO IN THE HOUSE.
AND ALL THOSE THINGS CAN BE DONE AND BUILT.
IF THEY INVENT IT, WE CAN DO IT.
I AM NOT SAYING WE HAVE TO DO IT.
BUT IT HAS GOT TO BE BROUGHT UP BECAUSE WE HAVE TO SAVE
HUMANITY.
THE LOSS THESE PEOPLE ARE EXPERIENCING NO ONE CAN TELL YOU
ABOUT THEM.
03:28:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU ARE RIGHT.
OPINION COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
03:28:05PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ALL RIGHT, MICROPHONE IS ON.
SO HURTAK DOESN'T HAVE TO TELL ME THAT.
FIRST OF ALL, CONGRATULATION CHARLIE MIRANDA PLAZA.
I AM CALLING YOU PLAZA FROM NOW ON.
MEET NEW THE PLAZA.
CONGRATULATIONS.
THAT IS REALLY A BIG DEAL, CHARLIE.
I AM VERY HONORED TO SIT AT THIS DAIS WITH YOU.
SO THERE IS THAT.
AND GUIDO, FOR THE RECORD HE GOT EMOTIONAL AND WAS ABOUT TO
DRY.
I LOVE THAT.
I LIKE WHEN MEN DO THAT.
I REALLY DO.
03:28:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT IS TRUE.
WENT FROM THE COFFEE SHOP CONVERSATION TO THE DAIS.
03:28:39PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU SHOWING US THAT.
I TOOK A PICTURE OF IT.
ALSO, I WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO THE COMMUNITY FOR
COMING OUT AND SUPPORTING HBCU WEEK.
WE DID NOT LET THE WEATHER STOP US.
A WONDERFUL WAY TO ACTIVATE A CENTER.
THE COMMUNITY CAME OUT.
SENIOR CITIZENS IN THEIR 70s AND 80s THAT WALKED THERE FROM
THEIR HOMES IN THEIR COLLEGE SHIRTS.
JUST SO EXCITING AND I AM REALLY PROUD OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO
GIVE THEM SOME ELEVATION IN THEIR COMMUNITY THAT WAY.
AND TO CELEBRATE HISTORICAL BLACK COLLEGES.
OKAY, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY
LIFE, I HAVE QUITE A FEW MOTIONS THAT I WANT TO MAKE.
AND I WILL START WITH THIS ONE.
I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION THAT STAFF PROVIDE A FIVE-MINUTE
IN-PERSON REPORT TO PRESENT AN OVERVIEW OF THE DIGITAL
ADVERTISING SERVICES CONTRACT BETWEEN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND
A CORPORATION.
DO I NEED TO READ WHAT I WANT IN IT FOR THE SAKE OF -- A
COMPARISON OF CURRENT STATE AND FUTURE -- FUTURE STATE AS IT
RELATES TO THE USE OF CONVENTION CENTER DIGITAL ASSETS TO
PRODUCE ADVERTISING REVENUE.
A SUMMARY OF THE KEY COMPONENTS OF THE AGREEMENT, LIKE
TERMS, EXCLUSIVITY AND CAPITAL SHARE AND MARKETING
CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE CONTRACTOR AND ESTIMATE RANGE OF THE
FISCAL YEAR ANNUAL REVENUE RESULTING IN THIS NEW AGREEMENT
AND ASSUMPTIONS USED IN THE ESTIMATE, AND ANY OTHER
PART-TIME MEANT DETAILS THAT I MAY NOT BE ASKING FOR RIGHT
NOW, BUT YOU ALREADY KNOW IT EXISTS THAT WILL BE HELPFUL AS
WELL BY NOVEMBER 7.
03:30:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
YOU CAN HAND THEM TO THE CLERK.
03:30:31PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I HAVE ONE MORE.
03:30:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
03:30:36PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
A MOTION FROM STAFF FOR A FIVE-MINUTE
REPORT FOR A MARKET FEASIBILITY STUDY OF THE CONVENTION
PERFORMED BY SPORTS AND LEISURE INTERNATIONAL LCC.
SIX-MONTH CONTRACT.
I REQUEST THAT THE DATE FOR THE BRINGS BE APRIL 17, 2025.
THIS WILL GIVE US TIME TO CONSIDER ANY POTENTIAL IMPACTS FOR
FISCAL YEAR 2026.
03:31:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
SECONDED FROM VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
03:31:07PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
AND KUDOS TO OUR FINANCIAL ANALYSTS FOR SUPPORTING AND
HELPING WITH THAT.
OKAY, HERE IS THE OTHER ONE.
OKAY.
WELL, LET ME DO THE EASY ONE.
THIS IS EASIER.
EAST TAMPA.
YOU KNOW, WE -- WE MOVED THE SUMMER YOUTH EMPLOYMENT PROGRAM
OUT OF CRA FUNDS.
I WOULD LIKE A STAFF REPORT REGARDING THE UPCOMING SUMMER
YOUTH EMPLOYMENT PROGRAM ON JANUARY 9, 2025 IN A STAFF
REPORT.
03:31:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON AND
--
03:31:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WRITTEN?
03:31:45PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
A STAFF REPORT.
STAFF REPORT WRITTEN AND VERBAL.
I LIKE VERBAL, BUT I WILL TAKE A WRITTEN ONE, GUESS.
03:31:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A WRITTEN STAFF REPORT --
03:31:54PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YOU KNOW WHAT, I WILL TAKE VERBAL BECAUSE
-- THIS IS IMPORTANT -- YOU KNOW MY COMMUNITY, THEY HEAR --
THEY LIKE TO HEAR.
SO LET'S JUST DO IT VERBAL.
AND IN A WRITTEN STAFF REPORT.
03:32:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
03:32:09PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OKAY, THANK YOU.
03:32:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHO WAS THE SECOND.
03:32:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WAS.
03:32:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
03:32:18PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
GIRL POWER.
OKAY, HERE IS ANOTHER ONE.
MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN ARTS AND CULTURAL
CENTER IS BEING PURSUED BY THE COUNTY ON CITY'S LAND.
I UNDERSTAND IT IS MOVING FORWARD.
SOME -- THAT WE ARE NOT DUPLICATING AND MAKING -- WE WANT TO
MAKE SURE THAT WE TRULY MEET THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.
I WANT TO REQUEST -- I AM CIRCLING BACK TO THE
YELLOWJACKETS.
I AM BUILDING THIS HERE.
TIME REQUESTING THAT STAFF BEGIN SPEAKING TO THE RELATED
GROUP TO REVISE THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT, BECAUSE WE
DON'T NEED TWO CULTURAL CENTERS ON THE 120 ACRE THERE IS
THAT WILL BE NEXT DOOR SO -- PER THE EXISTING COMMUNITY
BENEFIT AGREEMENT.
IT IS, IN THERE THAT THEY ARE BUILDING A CULTURAL CENTER.
IF THE COUNTY IS MOVING FORWARD WITH THEIRS, WE CAN LOOK AT
THAT AND SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE WITH THOSE FUNDS INCLUDING
FACILITY AND PARK UPGRADES WHERE THE DISPLACED YELLOWJACKETS
NOW RESIDE.
OH, LET ME BRING -- ON -- AND ALSO, CAN I INCLUDE THIS IN
IT, YOU KNOW, SO -- ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT THE -- THE
REQUESTED UPDATE ON THE STATUS OF RELEASING THE REVERTER
CLAUSE.
BECAUSE THERE IS A REVERTER CLAUSE THAT THE LAND --
03:33:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
03:33:38PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
NOVEMBER 7 THAT DATE.
03:33:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION AND A SECOND.
03:33:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A QUESTION.
YOU ARE ASKING FOR STAFF TO COME BACK AND GIVE US --
03:33:46PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
GIVE US A STAFF REPORT.
03:33:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OPTIONS ON THE STAFF REPORT.
03:33:51PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE HAVE TO RELEASE THAT REVERTER ON THAT
LAND AND THEY ARE --
03:33:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CAN'T DEMAND THEM ANYTHING.
HENDERSON-IT IS OUR CITY -- OUR PROPERTY.
03:34:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS.
WE SIGNED AN AGREEMENT.
03:34:03PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WHEN DID WE SIGN THE AGREEMENT.
03:34:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT.
03:34:11PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WITH THE RELATED GROUP.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO BUILD THE COMMUNITY CENTER IF -- IF WE
ARE GOING TO GIVE THE CURRENT LAND WHERE THE REVERTER CLAUSE
IS WHERE THEY ARE PURSUING A CULTURAL CENTER.
03:34:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I GET IT.
I GET 100% WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO.
I WANT THE WORDS RIGHT.
03:34:28PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ME TOO.
THIS ONE IS EMOTIONAL SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET IT RIGHT,
MR. CARLSON.
03:34:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY ONLY QUESTION, WILL THAT BE ENOUGH TIME?
HAVE YOU WORKED WITH STAFF ON THIS?
03:34:41PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE ALREADY -- REMEMBER, I MADE A MOTION
BEFORE AND MISS FEELEY CAME BACK AND SAID THAT RELATED GROUP
IS NOT OBLIGATED, BUT -- BUT IF THIS COMMUNITY CULTURAL
CENTER IS PART OF THE COUNTY'S PURSUIT, YOU KNOW, THEN
CONVERSATIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN HAD.
EVEN IF IT IS JUST -- EVEN SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THOUGHT
PROCESS, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW ON NOVEMBER 7 AND MAKE A
MOTION.
03:35:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
YES, MA'AM.
03:35:12PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I ALSO WANT A MOTION FOR STAFF TO BRING
BACK AN AMENDMENT TO THE SIGN CODE, A DRAFT ORDINANCE FOR
DISCUSSION THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR LARGE FORMAT MEDIA WITHIN
THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT ON A LIMITED BASIS ON OCTOBER
17, 2024.
I CAN GIVE YOU ALL SOME INFORMATION AND BACKGROUND ABOUT
THAT IF I CAN GET A SECOND FOR DISCUSSION.
03:35:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SECOND.
03:35:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. SHELBY.
03:35:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS.
SO FOR.
GIVE ME.
WHEN YOU SAY LARGE FORMAT -- YOU KNOW THE CITY HAS A
BILLBOARD ORDINANCE.
03:35:46PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
A DRAFT ORDINANCE FOR DISCUSSION.
03:35:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU ARE SAYING A "DRAFT ORDINANCE FOR
DISCUSSION."
A LOT OF WORK THANK GO INTO THE A CREATION OF A DRAFT
ORDINANCE.
DO YOU WANT AN INITIAL STAFF REPORT.
03:36:00PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE ARE WORKING ON THAT PART OF.
WHEN STAFF COMES BACK, THEY WILL HAVE INFORMATION TO PRESENT
TO US.
03:36:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU HAVE TALKED -- YOU TALKED WITH THEM SO
YOU HAVE ENOUGH TIME?
03:36:08PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
03:36:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
03:36:14PM >> EXCUSE ME --
03:36:15PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
HERE IS ANOTHER THING.
03:36:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
UH-OH.
MISS FEELEY.
03:36:21PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THAT MOTION IS FOR OCTOBER 17.
03:36:23PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
03:36:26PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THAT IS 14 DAYS.
I CANNOT DO THAT IN 14 DAYS.
THAT IS A HUGE ASK.
I AM SORRY.
BUT 14 DAYS IS JUST NOT PRACTICAL GIVEN THE SITUATION WE ARE
IN AND THE CODE UPDATE AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS GOING ON.
I WOULD REALLY VALUE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK THROUGH THAT
MOTION A LITTLE BIT FURTHER WITH YOU.
BUT I CANNOT DO THAT.
03:36:47PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
DOING IT NOW OR -- WE WILL HAVE TO PUSH
IT BACK, YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS IF WE DON'T DO IT NOW.
WE HAVE SOME LEGWORK INFORMATION.
AND AT LEAST LOOK AT IT OCTOBER 17 AND COME BACK WITH IT IF
YOU CAN'T.
IF YOU LOOK WHAT IS BEING PROVIDED THAT WILL GIVE YOU AN
OPPORTUNITY SAY SO AT LEAST LOOK CAN AT THE INFORMATION.
03:37:08PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
TWO YEARS RESPECTFULLY COUNCILWOMAN, BUT I
NEED MORE THAN TWO WEEKS TO LOOK AT THAT FOR YOU.
03:37:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE ISSUE IS --
03:37:18PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
FOR NOVEMBER, SOME TIME IN THERE, I WOULD
REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
03:37:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE ISSUE IS, THEY HAVE TO HAVE EVERYTHING
FOR ON BASE TOMORROW FOR OCTOBER 17.
03:37:29PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
FOR OCTOBER 17.
03:37:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DRAFT AN ORDINANCE INVOLVES LEGAL AND I
WILL SHARE YOU WITH -- AND IN MY TIME HERE, THE SIGN CODE --
REVISIONS TO THE SIGN CODE HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY
CONTROVERSIAL.
AND -- AND INVOLVING LITIGATION.
AND INVOLVING A LOT OF LEGAL ISSUES AS WELL.
AND A LOT OF STAKEHOLDERS AS WELL.
03:37:51PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OKAY.
WE HAVE A LOT OF MOMENTUM RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY.
BUT -- THE DATE -- DECEMBER 5?
OKAY.
LET'S GO FOR DECEMBER 5.
03:38:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION AND A SECOND.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
03:38:09PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I WANT TO MAKE SURE.
THIS IS ABOUT THE BIG SIGNS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT?
03:38:15PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I AM NOT TALKING OF TIMES SQUARE, BUT BIG
SIGNS.
I AM TALKING OF BIG SIGNS.
03:38:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
-- IS CORRECT.
IT TOOK A YEAR OR MORE.
WE PROBABLY SETTLED FOUR FOR ONE, TAKE FOUR OF THE WOODEN
ONE YOU GET ONE OF THE BLINKER, EXPENSIVE ONES THAT CHANGE
EVERY 20 SECONDS.
THAT IS HOW IT WAS THEN.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS NOW.
I WOULD IMAGINE THE SAME ORDINANCE IN THE BOOKS NOW.
03:38:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND WAS CLENDENIN.
03:38:43PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
AN OPPORTUNITY TO --
03:38:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM JUST SAYING IT TOOK A LONG TIME.
03:38:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AM KIND OF FAMILIAR WELL THIS CONCEPT
AND PART IS REVENUE ENHANCEMENT.
OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY LIKE GARAGES TO DO SOME ART
INSTALLATION ALONG WITH ADVERTISING.
I THINK AT LEAST IT IS WORTH HAVING THE DISCUSSION.
WHERE IT LANDS, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS.
I AGREE HE WITH COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
IT IS WORTH HAVING THE CONVERSATION.
DECEMBER 5 IS A WIDE-OPEN DATE.
MISS FEELEY DOES THAT GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME.
03:39:20PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
DECEMBER 5 WILL BE FAR MORE PALATABLE, THANK
YOU.
03:39:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
03:39:26PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE CONCEPT WHEN IT COMES
UP.
BUT MOST CITIES NOW HAVE IN THEIR DOWNTOWN AREA SOME LIGHTED
AREA, LIKE, YOU MENTIONED ONE, BUT PICADILLY CIRCUS.
ALMOST EVERY CITY HAS ONE.
AND THERE IS MUCH FOR ENTERTAINMENT AND -- AND PLACEMAKING
AS THEY ARE -- BECAUSE YOU SHOW -- LIKE THIS IS THE -- THIS
IS THE CENTER OR A COMMUNITY CENTER OF DOWNTOWN.
SO IT IS NOT JUST PUTTING UP A POLE WITH LIGHTED SIGNS.
IT IS ACTUALLY PLACEMAKING.
SO WE WILL TALK ABOUT IT.
03:40:00PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
NOT EXACTLY LIKE TIMES SQUARE.
NOT LIGHT IT UP LIKE THAT.
DOWNTOWN IS A GREAT DESTINATION PLACE FOR US.
WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO BE -- TO REDEVELOP AND FIND WAYS TO
ENHANCE IT.
AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADJUST THE CODE OF LARGE
FORMAT.
03:40:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
ANYTHING ELSE?
03:40:23PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THAT'S IT.
03:40:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR?
03:40:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DO.
MISS FEELEY -- IF SHE IS HANGING OUT.
BE THIS IS DIRECTED TO HER.
I MOTION THAT STAFF PROVIDE A WRITTEN REPORT ON EMERGENCY
RULES THAT WILL FACILITATE THE REPAIR AND CONSTRUCTION OF
NONCONFORMING LOTS IMPACTED BY THE NATURAL DISASTER.
A FULL SCHEDULE AND ASKING FOR A WRITTEN REPORT.
I KNOW THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF A CONVERSATION ON OCTOBER
17.
03:40:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT IS TWO WEEKS.
YOU ARE LOOKING AT NOVEMBER 5.
03:40:56PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THAT IS TOMORROW.
03:40:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I -- MISS FEELEY, ARE YOU GUYS ALREADY
LOOKING AT THIS?
03:41:07PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
IN TERMS OF NONCONFORMING LOTS?
03:41:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YEAH --
03:41:11PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
STRUCTURES THAT HAVE BEEN DESTROYED IN
EXCESS OF A CERTAIN AMOUNT?
03:41:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHEN PEOPLE HAVE TO DO SUBSTANTIVE REPAIRS
AND BE ABLE TO BUILD ON SETBACKS AND -- SO LET'S -- LET'S
SAY NOVEMBER 7.
03:41:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT IS GOOD.
A MOTION AND A SECOND.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE -- WAIT --
03:41:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM GOING TO SAY THAT MAYBE YOU SHOULD REACH
OUT AND TALK TO MISS FEELEY BEFOREHAND -- NOT BEFORE BUT
DURING TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
03:41:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AM HAPPY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, BUT
I THINK IT IS -- AGAIN, BECAUSE WE ARE COMING OUT OF A
NATURAL DISASTER.
I HAVE JUST BEEN HEARING CONCERNS.
MAYBE THERE IS NOTHING THERE.
MAYBE SOMETHING THERE.
THAT IS WHY I ASKED FOR A WRITTEN REPORT TOO.
03:41:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGAIN, THAT IS KIND OF WHY WE NEED TO HAVE A
-- A WORKSHOP ON THIS INSTEAD OF PIECEMEAL IT, KIND OF LOOK
AT IT ALL TOGETHER.
BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT GO BELONGING WITH THIS,
BECAUSE THERE IS FEMA REGULATIONS.
THERE IS INSURANCE REGULATIONS.
THERE IS SO MUCH TIED TO -- BECAUSE MISS FEELEY AND I -- WE
WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A 30-MINUTE MEETING AND ENDED UP WITH
AN HOUR-LONG MEETING BECAUSE WE GOT INTO THESE IDEAS.
I ENCOURAGE YOU TO TALK TO HER ABOUT IT.
AND TALK TO HER ABOUT WHERE WE CAN -- I THINK WE SHOULD COME
BACK NEXT THURSDAY EVENING WITH A TIME AND TOPICS FOR THIS.
03:42:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAKE SAYING.
MY THING IS -- I THINK THE CITY WISELY -- WHEN THEY WAIVED
-- MISS FEELEY, IF YOU ARE A PART OF THAT WAIVING PERMIT
KNEES.
WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A DISASTER.
LONG-RANGE STRATEGIC PLANNING AND LESSONS LEARNED.
BUT THIS IS SHORT-TERM.
REALLY SHORT-TERM.
03:42:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EMERGENCY REPAIR AND REBUILDING.
03:42:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EMERGENCY RULES.
03:42:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT, AGAIN, EMERGENCY RULES STILL HAVE TO
APPROVE WITH FEMA.
THEY STILL HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY INSURANCE COMPANIES.
SO THERE IS A HUGE AMOUNT OF CONVERSATION THAT GOES ALONG
WITH THIS.
I SAW POSTED ON SOCIAL MEDIA FROM SOMEONE BE IN FORT MYERS
WHO SAID THAT THEY DID THIS.
AND NOW FEMA IS NOT PAYING FOR THINGS BECAUSE IT WASN'T DONE
CORRECTLY.
AND IT -- IT IS SERIOUS.
SOME THAT'S WHY I AM SAYING IT IS PART OF A MUCH LARGER
DISCUSSION.
I DON'T DISAGREE THAT WE NEED TO GET IT DONE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT NOVEMBER 7 IS THE TIME -- I THINK -- I
THINK WE NEED A LARGER, BROADER DISCUSSION FOCUSSED ON ALL
OF THESE THINGS.
03:43:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET ME REREAD WHAT I SAID BECAUSE I DON'T
THINK IT IS CONTRARY TO WHAT YOU SAID.
MOTION FOR STAFF TO PROVIDE A WRITTEN REPORT OF POTENTIAL
EMERGENCY RULES THAT WILL FACILITATE THE RESTORATION AND
REPAIRS ON STRUCTURES ON PRESENTLY NONCONFORMING LOTS
AFFECTED BY THE DISASTER.
I DON'T THINK THAT IS CONTRADICTORY.
HAVING THEM GOING BACK AND LOOK AT IT THE AND MAYBE THEY
WILL COME BACK WITH EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID.
AS SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS, FELL IN COME BACK TO TELL US HERE
IS THE X, Y, AND Z.
03:44:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE WORD "POTENTIAL."
03:44:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IN BY THE OCTOBER --
03:44:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SHE IS A SMART WOMAN.
03:44:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SHE IS DOING SIX PEOPLE'S JOBS.
03:44:27PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
MAY I ASK FOR -- JUST FOR IS A COUPLE OF
ADDITIONAL WEEKS ON THAT.
I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR.
IN FACT, WE JUST HAD A MEETING WITH FEMA AT 2:30.
THIS IS A VERY FLUID ENVIRONMENT RIGHT NOW IN TRYING TO GET
OUR HOMEOWNERS AND OUR RENTERS FIRST, YOU KNOW, STABLY
HOUSED AND SECOND TO BE ABLE TO START APPLYING FOR FEMA.
AND WHERE YOU SAY POTENTIAL EMERGENCY, I DON'T KNOW THAT I
HAVE TIME FOR POTENTIAL RIGHT NOW.
I AM WORKING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE SETTING UP THESE
POLICIES RIGHT NOW SO WHEN PEOPLE ARE WALKING IN TO THE
POP-UP PERMIT CENTERS TODAY, THEY HAVE THAT ANSWER.
SOME IF -- IF YOU --
03:45:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU EXACTLY WHAT YOU
JUST ASKED FOR ON NOVEMBER 21.
03:45:17PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:45:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN
HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ANYTHING ELSE?
03:45:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S IT.
03:45:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:45:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
AND I HAVE ALREADY TALKED TO MISS FEELEY ABOUT THIS.
I MOVE TO HAVE DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR FEELEY INCLUDE IN HER
DECEMBER 5, 2024 LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE UPDATE, THE TOP TEN
WAIVERS THAT ARE GRANTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND SHE SAID SHE
COULD HAVE THAT BY THE 5th OF DECEMBER.
03:45:49PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SECOND.
03:45:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
03:45:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE ONLY OTHER THING.
I ASKED FOR A WRITTEN REPORT ABOUT THE PARKING LOTS -- I AM
GOING TO READ IT.
THIS IN LIEU OF THE FIVE-YEAR REPORT ON THE MONITORING OF
PARKING YBOR CITY AND GETTING PARKING LOTS IN COMPLIANCE.
I MOVE TO HAVE STAFF PROVIDE A WRITTEN REPORT ON OCTOBER 17
-- OH, MA MIGHT BE TOO -- YEAH, THAT MIGHT BE TOO -- HOW
ABOUT NOVEMBER -- A WRITTEN REPORT ON NOVEMBER 7 ON WHERE
THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING --
03:46:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
03:46:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ONE MORE THING.
WHEN WE COME BACK NEXT THURSDAY, I THINK WE ALL NEED TO COME
WITH THE FOCUS AREAS WE WANT TO DISCUSS FOR THE HURRICANE.
I THINK WE NEED TO COME UP WITH DATES.
I PROMISE YOU I WILL BRING MY PHONE ON TO THE DAIS TO LOOK
ON MY CALENDAR BECAUSE I NEVER HAVE IT.
THIS IS VERY SERIOUS AND WE ALL SHOULD CONSIDER OTHER DAYS.
I FEEL LIKE THIS WILL BE A DAY-LONG DISCUSSION.
IT IS THE BEGINNING OF SOMETHING, BUT WE HAVE TO REALLY LOOK
AT WHAT WICK -- WHAT WE CAN TO DO HARDEN OUR CITY.
FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS.
SO MUCH.
I KNOW WE ALREADY HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF -- YEAH, ANYWAY.
I WILL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.
I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO SETTING THAT MEETING NEXT THURSDAY
NIGHT.
03:47:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE SHOULD BRAINSTORM THE IDEA.
I THINK US HAVING THE CONVERSATION IS US CHASING OUR TAIL
BECAUSE SO MUCH OF THIS IS STAFF DRIVEN AND ADMINISTRATION
DRIVEN.
ALMOST HAVING LIKE A HURRICANE RETREAT WITH THE SUBJECT
MATTER EXPERTS FROM STAFF TO SIT AROUND AND BRAINSTORM IDEAS
I THINK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
AND NOT NECESSARILY TIME CRITICAL BECAUSE STORMS AREN'T
GOING AWAY.
AS CHARLIE MIRANDA SAID IT MANY TIMES WE HAVE AFFECTED THE
CLIMATE.
AND I THINK THAT IS A GOOD IDEA.
03:47:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I LIKE THAT OF INCLUDING STAFF.
COME UP WITH YOUR LIST AND WE CAN ALL PUT A LIST IN
TOGETHER.
TRYING TO FIND A DATE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
YOU ARE RIGHT, MAYBE JANUARY, MAYBE AHEAD.
BUT ALSO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN THE SHORT TERM.
03:48:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LESSONS LEARNED.
03:48:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
LESSONS LEARNED.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO BE SUPER -- I MEAN --
EVERYONE WAS DOING THE BEST THEY COULD.
NOT TIME TO BE SUPER CRITICAL.
THIS IS A TIME TO SAY THIS DIDN'T WORK, I THINK WE SHOULD DO
THIS INSTEAD.
TO LISTEN TO OUR STAFF.
I DIDN'T HAVE THIS PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH FINANCE.
I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS AND THE
PUBLIC SAYING WHAT THEM NEED.
THIS WILL BE A FRUITFUL DISCUSSION WHEN WE HAVE IT.
03:48:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
ANYTHING ELSE?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
03:48:47PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, I -- AGREE THAT -- I AGREE THAT WE
SHOULD HAVE AN OFF-SITE -- I AGREE WE SHOULD HAVE AN
OFF-SITE DAY-LONG CONVERSATION OF HURRICANES.
ONE OF THE THINGS HAS TO BE THAT -- WHAT IS THE ROLE OF
COUNCIL.
I HAD A LONG CONVERSATION WITH THE MAY I DON'T REMEMBER LAST
NIGHT.
WE HAD A PUBLIC DISCUSSION A COUPLE OF TIMES AFTER
HURRICANES.
BUT THE VERY LEAST, WHY DON'T OUR AIDES HAVE THE SAME
INFORMATION THAT THE CALL CENTER HAS, I THINK THE
ADMINISTRATION IS OPEN TO THAT.
BUT RIGHT NOW THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT -- THAT NEED TO GET
INFORMATION FROM US.
AND WHEN I WORK ON RECOVERY PROJECTS FOR OTHER CLIENTS, WE
GET A FAQ.
WE GET A TALKING POINT THING.
WE GIVE THEM FLYERS TO HAND OUT.
TODAY AT MEETING, KATHY CASTOR WAS HANDING OUT FLYERS TO
GIVE TO PEOPLE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO HAND TO PEOPLE.
WHEN TALKING TO PEOPLE, WE NEED THAT.
WHAT IS COUNCIL'S ROLE HAS TO BE A PART OF THAT.
I THINK THAT -- I THINK THERE IS A SEPARATE CONVERSATION,
THOUGH, ABOUT -- BEEN -- THERE IS A LOT WE MAY HAVE OTHER
KINDS OF EQUIPMENT THAT ARE IMMUNE TO BE HURRICANES.
AND STORM SURGES SHOULD BE IS ANTICIPATE RAT DISCUSSION AND
COUNCIL DRIVEN AND NOT STAFF DRIVEN.
I RAN INTO WIT, HE WILL BE WILLING TO BE PARTICIPATE.
BUT I WOULD WELCOME A SEPARATE DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
WE READ OF ALL THE SUBJECTS.
I MAKE A MOTION FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO DISCUSSION AS TO
LOCK TERM SOLUTIONS OF FLOODING AND STORM SURGE OF THE
JANUARY 30.
PAST HURRICANE SEASON AND WE WILL HAVE THE DISCUSSION OTHER
THAN THEM.
03:50:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHY CAN'T -- WHY CAN'T WE JUST COMBINE IT
TOGETHER.
IF WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING -- OH, WE HAVE A BUNCH ON THAT
DAY.
03:50:57PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK THERE IS THE KIND OF TACTICAL
RESPONSE STUFF THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT HAPPENED ON THIS.
NEVER HAVE A HUGE DISCUSSION.
AND IT TOOK A COUPLE OF DAYS TO PIVOT IN DISCOVERY WE HAD A
PROCESS IN A NORMAL HURRICANE THAT WORKS VERY WELL BUT WE
NEEDED TO PIVOT.
THE OTHER THING THAT DIDN'T PIVOT AS WELL, COMMUNICATING TO
PEOPLE THAT THEIR HOUSE WERE GOING TO FLOOD.
YOU DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE DETAILS NOW, I CAN SHOW IT
AT ONE OF THE MEETINGS.
WE HAVE TO TALK OF COMMUNICATION.
VERY CLEAR IF YOU AT THE TEXT MESSAGES, THE FACEBOOK PAGES
POSTS, AND THE TWITTER POSTS.
MENTION OF STORM SURGE, BUT THE MAIN FEEDBACK EVERYBODY GAVE
US THEY HAD WE HAD NO IDEA IT WAS GOING TO BE LIKE THIS THEY
CRY WOLF EVERY TIME WITH THE STORM SURGE.
THOSE ARE THE MESSAGES -- I WON'T GO UP AND SHOW IT, BUT A
MAP POSTED BY ANDY JOHNSON IF YOUR HOUSE IS IN YELLOW, IT IS
GOING TO GET FLOODED.
IT WAS KIND OF IN ONE COUNTY POSTS THAT THE CITY DID, THIS
MAP SHOULD HAVE BEEN POSTED TO EVERY AND OVER AGAIN.
SOMEBODY SHOULD HAVE DIGITALLY PROMOTED.
AS SOON AS I REPOST IT -- ANDY JOHNSON IS A FORMER
METEOROLOGIST.
AS SOON AS I REPOST IT, THREE FRIENDS CALLED ME AND SAID I
AM GETTING OUT OF TOWN.
IF YOU KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, YOU COULD GET YOUR
TESLA OUT OF THE GARAGE -- TESLA IS ANOTHER THING WE HAVE TO
TALK ABOUT.
I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW -- HOW WE CAN -- AND
CONTINUE IS IT NOT BEING CRITICAL, BUT HOW WE WILL RESPOND
TO SITUATIONS THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE ONES WE
EXPERIENCED BEFORE.
HOW WE CAN COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC EFFECTIVELY AND REALLY
EXPECT WHAT IS HAPPENING.
03:52:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, CAN I MAKE A
SUGGESTION.
MAY 25 -- SORRY, MAY 22, A CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP AND NOTHING
ON IT.
IF WE BACK COMPLETELY OUT AND CALLED THAT -- THAT COULD BE
OUR HURRICANE WORKSHOP.
03:52:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY CONCERN THEY ARE KNEE-DEEP IN BUDGET
DISCUSSIONS FOR FY '26 ALREADY.
I FEEL LIKE WHICH NEED TO HAVE THIS JANUARY AND FEBRUARY SO
THEY ARE GOING INTO THE BUDGET CYCLE KNOWING WHAT WE WANT TO
SEE.
SO, AGAIN, I THINK THAT THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH HAVING A
TUESDAY WORKSHOP ON THIS DURING THE DAY.
03:53:20PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IT IS WORTH HAVING IT.
03:53:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU WANT TO SCHEDULE A SEPARATE SESSION.
03:53:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FEBRUARY IS FULL.
MARCH DOESN'T HAVE ONE.
APRIL IS OPEN, BUT, AGAIN, THAT'S --
03:53:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LET'S THINK OF IT BETWEEN NOW AND
THURSDAY.
03:53:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK WE JUST DO THAT.
I AGREE, I THINK WE ALL -- I THINK WE ARE ALL TALKING OF
SPENDING A DAY.
I MEAN --
03:53:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A SEPARATE DAY, A NEW DAY.
03:53:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK WE DO LIKE YOU SAID, LIKE A RETREAT.
WE HAVE LUNCH.
WE COME BACK --
03:53:55PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
AT THE RIVER CENTER.
03:53:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HEAR THEY HAVE GOOD CATERING.
03:54:04PM >>BILL CARLSON:
TWO LAST THINGS.
WHEN PEOPLE THINK THEY FEEL LIKE WE ARE NOT HELPING THEM.
THE MAYOR TOLD ME THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO WE
ARE.
IF WE CAN SHOW UP IN A COORDINATED WAY WE CAN COVER MORE
TERRITORY AND NOT HAPHAZARD.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WE WEREN'T ALL ALLOWED TO SAY SOMETHING
EARLIER.
I AM PROUD.
I WAS SEVEN WHEN YOU STARTED WORKING.
AND I GREW UP -- LIKE GUIDO -- HE IS A LOT YOUNGER THAN ME.
I GREW UP WATCHING YOU AND BOB MARTINEZ AND OTHERS AND SANDY
FREEMAN.
AND TO BE IN THE SAME ROOM WITH YOU ALL SOMETIMES -- I TOLD
YOU THIS BEFORE -- SOMETIMES LOOKING ACROSS, I PINCH MYSELF
THINKING, WOW, YOU KNOW, I AM SITTING AT THE SAME DAIS AS
CHARLIE MIRANDA.
AND I LIKE LEARNING FROM YOU.
I LIKE YOUR -- INSIGHTS YOU HAVE.
PEOPLE ASK ME HOW IS HE DOING.
HIS HEALTH.
I SAY AT 38 OR --
03:55:05PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
28.
03:55:06PM >>BILL CARLSON:
BETTER HEALTH THAN ALL OF US.
3:00 IN THE MORNING YOU ARE PROBABLY THE SHARPEST ONCE UP
HERE AND YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
EVERYTHING IS DELIBERATE.
I DON'T ALWAYS AGREE YOU WITH.
YOU DON'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH ME.
03:55:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I DON'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH MYSELF.
03:55:21PM >>BILL CARLSON:
FIVE YEARS I HAVE BEEN WRITING DOWN
CHARLIEISMS LIKE THE ONE -- I WISH SOMEBODY -- WE COULD
COLLECT THEM AND -- SOME OF THE THINGS YOU SAID ARE THE
FUNNIEST -- 3:00 IN THE MORNING, NOTHING LIKE HEARING A
CHARLIEISM.
AN HONOR TO WORK YOU WITH.
03:55:39PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I SAID I REALLY ENJOY WORKING WITH THIS
COUNCIL.
SO DIFFERENT.
03:55:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WANT TO SAY WHAT I SAID EARLIER.
HE RUN ON A SLOGAN THAT CHARLIE CARES AND HE SHARES HOW HE
CAME UP WITH THAT SLOGAN TODAY AND HE SHARED HE WAS NAKED IN
THE SHOWER.
AND I AM GOING TO FILE SOME KIND OF PAPERWORK IT GET
REIMBURSED TO THE CITY FOR THE THERAPY REQUIRED TO GET THAT
IMAGE OUT --
03:56:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU ARE MAKING ASSUMPTION I WAS NAKED IN
THE SHOWER.
03:56:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SHOWERED FULLY CLOTHED.
03:56:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ALL RIGHT, WE ARE ADJOURNED.


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