TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 19, 2024
9:00 A.M.
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09:02:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
09:02:09AM WELCOME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
09:02:11AM I YIELD TO COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON FOR TODAY'S INVOCATION.
09:02:14AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: GOOD MORNING, CHAIR.
09:02:17AM GOOD MORNING.
09:02:17AM WE HAVE WILLIAM PETERSON.
09:02:20AM DEDICATED MINISTER AND EDUCATOR IN TAMPA, FLORIDA, IN THE
09:02:24AM LIFE AND CHRIST COMMUNITY CHURCH.
09:02:26AM A RETIRED ARMY FIRST SERGEANT HAVING HONORABLY SERVED FOR 20
09:02:31AM YEARS.
09:02:31AM IN ADDITION TO THAT, HE AND HIS LOVELY WIFE CO-FOUNDED THE
09:02:36AM HOPE FOR TOMORROW COMMUNITY CENTER WHICH AIMS TO HAVE A
09:02:40AM COMPREHENSIVE PROGRAM FOR MENTAL HEALTH, WELL BEING, TO
09:02:47AM REDUCE VIOLENCE AND PRESENT EDUCATION AND LOWER CRIMES.
09:02:52AM WELCOME, PASTOR WILLIAM PETERSON
09:02:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STAND AND REMAIN STANDING.
09:02:57AM >>PASTOR PETERSON: FATHER GOD, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS
09:03:08AM AWESOME DAY, FATHER GOD.
09:03:10AM FATHER GOD, WE ASK THAT YOU BLESS EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US
09:03:13AM TODAY, FATHER GOD.
09:03:14AM ESPECIALLY OUR LEADERS, FATHER GOD.
09:03:16AM WE ASK THAT YOU HUMBLE THEIR HEARTS, FATHER GOD.
09:03:19AM YOU GIVE THEM A WORD, FATHER GOD FOR WHATEVER DECISIONS THEY
09:03:24AM MAKE, FATHER GOD, THAT IT BE IMPACT TO THE PEOPLE THEY
09:03:29AM SERVE, FATHER GOD.
09:03:29AM BLESS EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US, FATHER.
09:03:32AM BLESS OUR FAMILIES, FATHER GOD.
09:03:35AM SO THE STRENGTH -- THE WORDS AND THE DECISIONS THEY MAKE
09:03:39AM FATHER GOD WILL BE THE RIGHT DECISIONS FATHER GOD.
09:03:41AM WE THANK YOU, FATHER GOD.
09:03:43AM FATHER GOD, THIS WEEK HAS BEEN AN AWESOME WEEK, FATHER GOD.
09:03:47AM WEEK OF THE HBCU, FATHER GOD.
09:03:49AM WE ASK, FATHER GOD, YOU BLESS EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE
09:03:53AM PARTICIPATING IN THAT EVENT, FATHER GOD.
09:03:55AM WE ASK THAT YOU GIVE THEM STRENGTH FATHER GOD.
09:03:58AM AND ALLOW THEM TO ENJOY THEMSELVES, FATHER GOD.
09:04:01AM WE ASK ALL OF THIS IN YOUR SON JESUS'S NAME, AMEN.
09:04:07AM EVERYBODY SAY AMEN.
09:04:08AM >> AMEN.
09:04:09AM [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:04:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:04:20AM ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
09:04:21AM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
09:04:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
09:04:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
09:04:26AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT.
09:04:28AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
09:04:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
09:04:31AM >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:04:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY, REVIEW THE RULES AND
09:04:38AM PROCEDURES OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:04:40AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL.
09:04:43AM MARTIN SHELBY, CITY ATTORNEY.
09:04:46AM I WILL BE BRIEF.
09:04:47AM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN ADDRESS ANY ITEM ON AGENDA BEFORE
09:04:52AM CITY COUNCIL TAKES OFFICIAL APPLICATION.
09:04:53AM A THREE-MINUTE TIMEFRAME APPLIES TO ALL SPEAKERS PROVIDING
09:04:57AM PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:04:58AM IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL DURING GENERAL PUBLIC
09:05:01AM COMMENT, SPEAKER WAIVER -- EXCUSE ME, SPEAKER CARDS ARE
09:05:04AM OUTSIDE IN THE LOBBY.
09:05:05AM AND THEY WILL BE ACCEPTED UNTIL THE START OF GENERAL PUBLIC
09:05:08AM COMMENT.
09:05:08AM EACH PERSON SPEAKING AND SUBMITTING A CARD WILL BE
09:05:11AM RECOGNIZED BY NAME TO APPROACH AND SPEAK.
09:05:14AM PLEASE PRINT LEGIBLY.
09:05:16AM NAMES THAT CANNOT BE READ WILL NOT BE CALLED.
09:05:19AM IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK AT A PUBLIC HEARING, IT WILL BE
09:05:22AM NOTED ON THE AGENDA IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
09:05:24AM TIME TO SPEAK IS NOT IN PUBLIC COMMENT BUT WHEN THE ITEM IS
09:05:27AM CALLED UP AND USE THE SIGN-UP SHEET INSTEAD.
09:05:30AM AGAIN, COUNCIL, YOU ARE REMINDED TO REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING
09:05:33AM THE SPEAKER UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:05:35AM AND PUBLIC SHOULD BE AWARE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT
09:05:39AM TAKE QUESTIONS OR HAVE A DIALOGUE DURING GENERAL PUBLIC
09:05:42AM COMMENT.
09:05:43AM YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS YOUR POSITION.
09:05:45AM AND THE -- THE SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED, PLEASE, TO REFRAIN
09:05:49AM FROM MAKING PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST ANY CITY OFFICIAL,
09:05:52AM STAFF MEMBER OR ANY MEMBER MANUFACTURE THE PUBLIC.
09:05:55AM AND FINALLY, THE CHAIR WILL RULE OUT OF ORDER ANY PERSON WHO
09:05:58AM SPEAKS WITHOUT BEING RECOGNIZED AND WHO DOES NOT COMPLY WITH
09:06:03AM THE RULES OF DECORUM AND ENGAGES IN DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR,
09:06:07AM INCLUDING MAKING VULGAR AND THREATENING REMARKS, MAKING OR
09:06:11AM CAUSING DISRUPTIVE NOISE OS ARE SOUNDS OR DISPLAYING SIGNS
09:06:15AM OR GRAPHICS.
09:06:16AM YOUR COOPERATION IS APPRECIATED.
09:06:18AM THANK YOU.
09:06:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. SHELBY.
09:06:21AM ALSO, I JUST WANT TO BRING UP A MEMO I SENT OUT TO
09:06:25AM COUNCILMEMBERS BY E-MAIL, AND I PRINTED IT UP AS WELL
09:06:27AM REGARDING THE RULES OF PROCEDURE.
09:06:29AM JUST A REMINDER, WE DID ADOPT NEW RULES RECENTLY.
09:06:35AM I WANT TO ADHERE BY THAT.
09:06:37AM PLEASE SPEAK WHEN YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:06:39AM FIVE-MINUTE GO-AROUND ON FIRST DISCUSSION.
09:06:41AM THREE MINUTES IN THE SECOND GO AROUND.
09:06:43AM AND ALSO -- IN THE AUDIENCE, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM ANY
09:06:47AM DISTRACTIONS, ANY NOISES, FINGER SNAPPING, ALL THAT KIND OF
09:06:52AM STUFF.
09:06:52AM I WILL RULE PEOPLE OUT OF ORDER THAT ARE OUT OF ORDER.
09:06:55AM AND WE WILL TAKING IT FROM THERE.
09:06:57AM IF COUNCIL HAD A MOMENT TO READ THE MEMO, THAT'S IT.
09:07:01AM I WANT TO MEMORIALIZE THAT.
09:07:04AM AND PUT IT INTO -- INTO THE RECORD.
09:07:06AM SO THE CLERK ALREADY HAS A COPY, CORRECT?
09:07:11AM ALL RIGHT.
09:07:11AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL
09:07:14AM HAVING LOOKED AT THE MEMO MAKE A MOTION TO AFFIRM THE
09:07:17AM MEMORANDUM AND HAVE IT MEMORIALIZED BY HAVING IT INCLUDED IN
09:07:20AM THE MEN OF TODAY'S MEETING.
09:07:22AM >> SO MOVED.
09:07:26AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
09:07:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN
09:07:30AM MIRANDA.
09:07:30AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09:07:31AM OPPOSED.
09:07:32AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:07:33AM A MOTION TO ADOPT THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR SECTION
09:07:37AM SEPTEMBER 5 AND 24 OF 2024.
09:07:39AM A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:07:42AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
09:07:45AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09:07:46AM ALL RIGHT.
09:07:46AM GO THROUGH THE AGENDA, HOUSEKEEPING.
09:07:49AM ITEM NUMBER 47 WILL BE HEARD AFTER ITEM 61.
09:07:52AM I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT THERE.
09:07:56AM YES, 47 AFTER 61.
09:07:59AM SO WE WILL PULL THAT.
09:08:01AM ITEM 64 TIES IN WITH ITEM 75.
09:08:06AM SO WE CAN HAVE THOSE TOGETHER OR BACK TO BACK.
09:08:10AM AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH STAFF REPORTS ONE BY
09:08:17AM ONE.
09:08:17AM IS THERE AN ADMINISTRATION UPDATE, CHIEF BENNETT?
09:08:21AM >>JOHN BENNETT: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:08:23AM JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
09:08:24AM GOOD MORNING TO OUR PUBLIC.
09:08:26AM THERE WAS A REQUEST FROM THE PRESENTER ON ITEM 72 WHICH IS
09:08:30AM OUR CITY DISTRICT ATTORNEY ANDREA ZELMAN TO MOVE 72 TO
09:08:34AM ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE, IF THAT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
09:08:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY, WE CAN -- ANY OBJECTION OF MOVING
09:08:41AM 72 AS THE ADMINISTRATION UPDATE AND TAKE THAT UP AFTER
09:08:44AM LUNCH.
09:08:44AM CAN I GET A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT?
09:08:46AM MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:08:47AM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
09:08:50AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09:08:51AM THAT TAKES PLACE OF THAT.
09:08:52AM ITEM NUMBER 68.
09:08:57AM DO WE NEED STAFF PRESENT FOR THAT?
09:09:01AM I DON'T HEAR A YES.
09:09:03AM SO WE WILL PUT NO.
09:09:04AM ITEM 69?
09:09:07AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:09:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
09:09:10AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: EXCUSE ME FOR INTERRUPTING.
09:09:12AM ITEM 61, I RECEIVED AN E-MAIL YESTERDAY.
09:09:15AM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A COPY OF WHAT WAS SENT OUT BY
09:09:19AM JAMES RODRIGUEZ.
09:09:20AM HE'S A RANKING MILITARY PERSON --
09:09:25AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AT 61.
09:09:28AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: DID YOU GET ONE?
09:09:29AM I WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE GOT ONE.
09:09:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I RECEIVED THE E-MAIL.
09:09:32AM ITEM 69, DO WE NEED STAFF PRESENT?
09:09:35AM I HEAR A NO.
09:09:36AM THERE IS NOTHING.
09:09:37AM ITEM 70?
09:09:39AM THIS IS JUST A STAFF REPORT.
09:09:42AM YES?
09:09:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, THEY ARE HERE.
09:09:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I THINK WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE FROM THE
09:09:48AM PLANNING COMMISSION ONLINE WITH THAT.
09:09:50AM ITEM NUMBER 71?
09:09:53AM THIS GOING TO BE IN-PERSON?
09:09:55AM ITEM 72.
09:09:57AM THAT WE ALREADY DISCUSSED.
09:09:59AM ADMINISTRATION UPDATE.
09:10:00AM ITEM 73, YES.
09:10:01AM ITEM 74?
09:10:05AM THERE IS A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION SO THAT WILL BE A YES.
09:10:08AM ITEM 75?
09:10:12AM THERE IS A -- OKAY.
09:10:13AM YES.
09:10:14AM ALL RIGHT, SO 64 ALREADY AS MENTIONED EARLIER WITH 75.
09:10:19AM WRITTEN STAFF REPORTS.
09:10:20AM ARE WE GOOD WITH 76 AND --
09:10:23AM >>LUIS VIERA: VERY GOOD.
09:10:24AM I AM FINE WITH THAT.
09:10:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO WE WILL RECEIVE AND FILE THOSE AT THE
09:10:28AM END ONCE WE GET TO THAT.
09:10:29AM ALL RIGHT.
09:10:30AM THAT'S IT.
09:10:34AM CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
09:10:36AM WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
09:10:38AM SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:10:40AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09:10:41AM ANY OPPOSED?
09:10:42AM ALL RIGHT.
09:10:42AM AT THIS TIME, THE MAYOR'S HISPANIC HERITAGE COMMITTEE IS
09:10:45AM GOING TO COME UP AND EXTEND AN INVITATION FOR THE MAYOR'S
09:10:50AM ANNUAL HISPANIC HERITAGE CELEBRATION.
09:10:51AM >> GOOD MORNING.
09:10:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING.
09:10:56AM [LAUGHTER]
09:10:59AM MY NAME IS MELISSA MARTINEZ.
09:11:01AM I AM CHAIR OF THE MAYOR'S HISPANIC HERITAGE COMMITTEE.
09:11:03AM AND I'M HERE WITH SOME OF OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO INVITE
09:11:06AM YOU, CITY STAFF, AND THE PUBLIC TO OUR 36th ANNUAL HISPANIC
09:11:10AM HERITAGE CELEBRATION.
09:11:11AM IT IS GOING TO BE ON OCTOBER 1 AT 11:00 IN THE MORNING.
09:11:15AM DOOR OPENS AT 10:30 AT THE TAMPA THEATRE.
09:11:18AM THIS YEAR, WE HAVE ENTERTAINMENT GROUP THE A 13 PROJECT.
09:11:24AM THEY ARE A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS THAT CREATE CULTURAL
09:11:27AM AWARENESS THROUGH MUSIC.
09:11:29AM WE HAVE THE TAMPA JAMMING DANCE THAT WILL BE PERFORMING
09:11:34AM DURING THE EVENT.
09:11:35AM FIRST 200 GUESTS WILL RECEIVE A FREE BAG LUNCH.
09:11:38AM AND THIS YEAR, WE ARE VERY PROUD TO AWARD OUR FIRST
09:11:42AM VOCATIONAL TECHNICAL SCHOOLS SCHOLARSHIP THROUGH BREWSTER
09:11:48AM TECHNICAL COLLEGE.
09:11:48AM FOR MORE INFORMATION FOR OUR POSTERS, THEY WILL BE DISPLAYED
09:11:54AM ON CITY BUILDINGS AND ALSO THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA.
09:11:56AM AND WE HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE.
09:11:58AM THANK YOU.
09:11:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:11:59AM WE WILL BE THERE.
09:12:01AM ALL RIGHT.
09:12:03AM NEXT UP, WE ARE GOING TO PRESENT OFFICER RICHARD MERCADO.
09:12:10AM RICHIE MERCADO, A COMMENDATION WHO IS RETIRING.
09:12:13AM GO ON UP, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:12:15AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HONORABLE CHAIR OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL,
09:12:28AM HONORABLE MEMBERS OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
09:12:31AM A PLEASURE TO BE HERE AND SAD HEART THAT OUR GOOD FRIEND,
09:12:36AM RICHARD MERCADO IS RETIRING AFTER 17 YEARS WITH THE TAMPA
09:12:40AM POLICE DEPARTMENT.
09:12:42AM HE HAS A RECORD OF PUBLIC SERVICE HIS WHOLE LIFE REALLY.
09:12:45AM TO BE A MASTER SERGEANT IN THE UNITED STATES AIR FORCE, THAT
09:12:49AM MEANS THAT LESS THAN 1% OF ALL AIRMEN OR AIR WOMEN IN THE
09:12:54AM UNITED STATES AIR FORCE MAKE IT TO THAT RANK.
09:12:57AM AND YOU IS IT WITH LESS THAN 1%.
09:13:00AM >> YES, SIR.
09:13:01AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU ARE BETTER THAN 99% OF SOMEBODY ELSE.
09:13:05AM I AM ONLY LAUGHING WITH YOU, BUT TO GET THAT FAR, IT IS AN
09:13:10AM AMAZING FEAT.
09:13:10AM YOU WERE WITH THE HISPANIC BILINGUAL COMMITTEE.
09:13:14AM YOU ALSO SERVED WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE SPANISH
09:13:17AM NEW CHANNEL.
09:13:18AM DID YOU YBOR CITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
09:13:21AM YOUR ORIENTATION.
09:13:24AM POLICE OFFICER.
09:13:24AM NOT ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVEN'T DONE.
09:13:27AM YOU WERE AT ONE TIME THE MAYOR OF YBOR CITY.
09:13:30AM AND HOW WAS THAT?
09:13:32AM DID YOU GET PAID A LOT?
09:13:34AM >> A LOT OF NOTHING.
09:13:34AM [LAUGHTER]
09:13:36AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: KEEP IT WITH YOU ALL THE TIME.
09:13:38AM THAT IS THE MAIN THING.
09:13:39AM MONEY YOU SPEND -- WHAT YOU LEARN IN OFFICE BEING THE MAYOR
09:13:42AM OF YBOR CITY YOU CAN RETAIN YOUR WHOLE LIFE.
09:13:45AM >> ABSOLUTELY.
09:13:46AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MY PLEASURE AND SADDENED AS YOU HAVE THREE
09:13:49AM LIFE-SAVING AWARDS, DUTY AWARDS, DRIVERS AWARD AND A MASTER
09:13:54AM IN POLICE AWARD.
09:13:55AM SO A GENTLEMAN WHO HAS GIVEN HIS WHOLE LIFE NOT ONLY TO THE
09:14:00AM CITIZENS OF TAMPA BUT TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
09:14:02AM WE WILL MISS HIM DEARLY.
09:14:03AM YOU SEE HIM ALL THE TIME IN THE NEXT BUILDING.
09:14:06AM THREE ENTRANCES AND EXITS AND HE LOOKS LIKE A RADAR SCREEN
09:14:10AM MAKING SURE EVERYTHING IS COMING IN PERFECT AND DOING WELL.
09:14:13AM HE IT YOU IT WITH CLASS, DIGNITY AND HE IS VERY PROFESSIONAL
09:14:17AM AND MY HONOR AND SADDENED AT THE SAME TIME THAT HE IS
09:14:19AM RETIRING TO REPRESENT THE CITY OF TAMPA GIVING HIM IN
09:14:23AM COMMENDATION AS THE COMMENDATION FOR WHAT HE HAS DONE, NOT
09:14:27AM ONLY FOR THE CITY BUT WHOLE COUNTRY.
09:14:29AM I AM HONORED TO DO THAT.
09:14:31AM >> THANK YOU.
09:14:31AM [APPLAUSE]
09:14:36AM >> OF COURSE, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK GOD AND THANK MY WIFE
09:14:40AM AND MY DAUGHTER FOR ALL THE SUPPORT THAT I HAVE RECEIVED.
09:14:43AM I KNOW THAT AS A FORMER CHIEF MASTER SERGEANT IS THE AIR
09:14:48AM FORCE, ONCE YOU REACH LEADERSHIP LEVEL, YOU HAVE TO MAKE
09:14:51AM TOUGH DECISIONS, DECISIONS THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT EXACTLY
09:14:55AM PLEASED WITH, BUT YOU HAVE AN OVERALL PICTURE.
09:14:58AM A BIG PICTURE WHAT YOU ARE REQUIRED TO DO.
09:15:01AM I KNOW AS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU HAVE TO DO THE SAME
09:15:03AM THING.
09:15:03AM AND I APPLAUD YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE TO PUT UP WITH UP THERE
09:15:09AM TRYING TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR THE ENTIRE CITY.
09:15:11AM I WOULD HIKE TO THANK MY CHIEF AND MY MAJOR, WHO ARE MY
09:15:16AM SENIOR LEADERSHIP ON THE DEPARTMENT.
09:15:18AM AND I COULDN'T HAVE CONTINUE TO THIS WITHOUT THEIR SUPPORT
09:15:22AM AND THE SUPPORT OF THE REST OF MY OFFICERS THAT I WORKED
09:15:24AM WITH, THAT I MENTORED, AND THAT I ALSO WORKED ALONG.
09:15:28AM SIDE OF THEM.
09:15:29AM IT HAS BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING HERE IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE
09:15:34AM AND WITH SENIOR STAFF.
09:15:35AM I HAVE BEEN HERE SHORT TIME, 13 YEARS IN YBOR CITY.
09:15:42AM AND I HAVE SEEN A LOT
09:15:43AM IT HAS BEEN AN EMOTIONAL RIDE SINCE YESTERDAY.
09:15:47AM SO TRYING TO THIS WITHOUT CRYING.
09:15:51AM BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I AM HUMBLE BY ALL THE LOVE I
09:15:56AM RECEIVE AND SUPPORT.
09:15:57AM AND I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO RETIREMENT.
09:15:59AM THANK YOU.
09:15:59AM [APPLAUSE]
09:16:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY, SOME COUNCILMEMBERS WANTED
09:16:11AM TO SPEAK.
09:16:12AM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:16:13AM >>LUIS VIERA: AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
09:16:16AM AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY, WE TALK ALL THE TIME.
09:16:20AM AND YOU ARE SUCH A PLEASANT PERSON.
09:16:22AM YOU REALLY, REALLY ARE.
09:16:23AM I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT YOUR MILITARY SERVICE AND YOUR TIME
09:16:27AM AS A TAMPA POLICE OFFICER.
09:16:28AM AND YOU HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 17 YEARS, I THINK IT WAS, THAT
09:16:31AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:16:33AM >> YES, SIR.
09:16:35AM >>LUIS VIERA: POLICE OFFICERS THESE DAYS AND ALWAYS.
09:16:36AM I ALWAYS SAY IT IS A HARD JOB.
09:16:39AM A LOT OF TIMES YOU WILL BE IN TIMES WHEN THE POLITICIANS
09:16:42AM LOVE YOU AND OTHER TIMES WHEN THE POLITICIANS RUN AWAY FROM
09:16:46AM YOU.
09:16:46AM BUT I ALWAYS BELIEVE THAT THE PUBLIC SUPPORTS LAW
09:16:49AM ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.
09:16:49AM AND YOU GUYS SEE THAT ALL THE TIME.
09:16:51AM THE PUBLIC ALL OVER TAMPA, I BELIEVE, IS VERY, VERY
09:16:55AM GRATEFUL.
09:16:55AM I KNOW WE ARE ALL GRATEFUL FOR ALL THE WORK YOU DO, ETC.,
09:16:58AM HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND TAMPA CITY COUNCIL AND THE
09:17:04AM MAYOR'S OFFICE.
09:17:04AM YOU ARE ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO TALK TO AND ENGAGE WITH AND
09:17:08AM GLAD TO SEE YOUR FAMILY HERE.
09:17:10AM THEY OUGHT TO BE SO PROUD.
09:17:11AM GOD BLESS YOU.
09:17:13AM >> THANK YOU.
09:17:14AM [APPLAUSE]
09:17:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:17:20AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
09:17:21AM UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE A LOT OF YOUR COLLEAGUES THAT ARE
09:17:24AM RETIRING NOW BECAUSE OF THE TIMING OF EVERYTHING AND YOU ALL
09:17:28AM WILL BE HARD TO REPLACE.
09:17:29AM APPRECIATE YOUR DEDICATION TO OUR CITY AND OUR COUNTRY.
09:17:31AM I NEVER HAD A CONVERSATION WITH YOU ABOUT YBOR SO IF YOU
09:17:35AM HAVE IDEAS, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT YOU CAN THINK OF ALL THE
09:17:37AM THINGS YOU WOULD LIKE TO IMPROVE IN YBOR DURING YBOR'S
09:17:41AM RENAISSANCE.
09:17:42AM PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
09:17:43AM I THINK I CAN BUY YOU COFFEE AS LONG AS YOU ARE NOT A STAFF
09:17:48AM MEMBER OR A CIGAR.
09:17:49AM THANK YOU.
09:17:49AM >> OKAY.
09:17:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
09:17:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING SO
09:17:55AM WONDERFUL AND WELCOMING WHEN I JOINED COUNCIL.
09:17:58AM AND YOU HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME WHEN YOU HEAR ABOUT DIFFERENT
09:18:01AM ISSUES TO HELP -- HELP GIVE SOME BACKGROUND ON THINGS AND I
09:18:06AM REALLY APPRECIATED THAT.
09:18:09AM I APPRECIATE WHEN STAFF DOES THAT.
09:18:11AM I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT AND YOU ARE ALWAYS A
09:18:13AM FRIENDLY FACE AND WE WILL CERTAINLY MISS YOU, BUT YOUR
09:18:15AM RETIREMENT IS WELL EARNED AND I AM SURE YOUR FAMILY IS
09:18:19AM LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING YOU HOME MORE OFTEN.
09:18:21AM >> THANK YOU.
09:18:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
09:18:23AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: CONGRATULATIONS.
09:18:25AM TOMORROW MORNING YOU WAKE UP AND YOU GET TO DO AS YOU
09:18:28AM PLEASE.
09:18:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
09:18:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WELL, I WAS RETIRED ONCE AND YOU SEE HOW
09:18:35AM THAT WORKED OUT FOR ME.
09:18:37AM [LAUGHTER]
09:18:37AM AND I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN THROUGH RETIREMENT ONCE BEFORE AND
09:18:40AM NOW AGAIN AT LEAST.
09:18:41AM BE CAREFUL WHAT HAPPENS, BECAUSE IT IS TOUGH TO STICK.
09:18:44AM ENJOY THE TIME THAT YOU HAVE.
09:18:45AM >> THANK YOU.
09:18:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR RETIREMENT.
09:18:49AM YOU CERTAINLY WILL BE MISSED.
09:18:51AM A FRIENDLY SMILING FACE.
09:18:52AM AN ALL-AROUND GREAT PERSON.
09:18:54AM MY DAD HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET YOU THE OTHER DAY.
09:18:57AM >> OH, REALLY.
09:18:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE BUMPED INTO EACH OTHER.
09:19:00AM >> THAT'S RIGHT, AT THE GATE.
09:19:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU ARE ONE OF THE BEST AROUND HERE.
09:19:04AM CONGRATULATIONS AND ENJOY YOUR RETIREMENT.
09:19:07AM WHATEVER YOU DO, BE HAPPY.
09:19:08AM LIFE IS SHORT.
09:19:10AM HAVE A GOOD TIME.
09:19:11AM >> THANK YOU.
09:19:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, THANK YOU, SIR.
09:19:13AM [APPLAUSE]
09:19:26AM ALL RIGHT.
09:19:26AM AS SOME FOLKS MOVE OUT, WE WILL BRING UP THE TAMPA BAY
09:19:29AM REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL.
09:19:31AM YOU HAVE A TEN-MINUTE PRESENTATION.
09:19:32AM WITH THAT A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION.
09:19:34AM THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION WILL COME UP MOMENTARILY.
09:19:38AM WE WILL JUST TAKE A MOMENT HERE.
09:19:40AM ALL RIGHT.
09:19:51AM WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION HERE.
09:19:52AM IT WILL COME UP ON THE BIG SCREEN.
09:19:54AM YES, GO AHEAD.
09:19:55AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
09:19:57AM >> I AM OUR RAY, SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE TAMPA BAY
09:20:01AM REGIONAL COUNCIL.
09:20:02AM MY FOCUS IS RESILIENCY PLANNING AND A LOT OF MY WORK IN OUR
09:20:08AM COMMON ACTION PLAN.
09:20:09AM DOING FIRST REGIONAL CLIMATE ACTION PLAN IN OUR AREA, AND I'M
09:20:14AM EXCITED TO WORK WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA ON THIS, AS WELL AS A
09:20:17AM LOT OF OUR OTHER REGIONAL PARTNERS.
09:20:19AM SO I WANTED TO THANK THE CITY OF TAMPA AND COUNCILMEN FOR
09:20:24AM THEIR LEADERSHIP AND THEY HAVE BEEN AN INTEGRAL PART OF OUR
09:20:30AM COUNCIL FOR MANY YEARS, ESPECIALLY ON OUR COMMITTEE.
09:20:32AM IT HAS BEEN REALLY GREAT TO HAVE SUCH LEADERSHIP, ESPECIALLY
09:20:36AM WITH EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING HERE.
09:20:38AM IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LEARN BEST PRACTICES FREE AND
09:20:42AM OTHER AREAS ARE DOING AS MUCH STUFF.
09:20:44AM BUT -- AS WE ARE WANTING TO IN THE FUTURE.
09:20:48AM SO OUR MISSION AT THE TAMPA BAY REGIONAL COUNCIL IS TO SERVE
09:20:53AM OUR CITIZENS AND MEMBER GOVERNMENTS OF FOSTER COMMUNICATION,
09:20:57AM COORDINATION AND COLLABORATION TO IDENTIFY AND ADDRESS NEEDS
09:21:00AM REGIONALLY.
09:21:00AM AND WE ARE ONE OF TEN PLANNING COUNCILS ACROSS THE STATE OF
09:21:06AM FLORIDA.
09:21:06AM WE ARE EIGHT DISTRICT GOVERNMENTS.
09:21:10AM COLLABORATING NOT ONLY ON REGIONAL SKILL BUT ACROSS THE
09:21:13AM STATE TO MAKE SURE WE ARE HAVING BEST PRACTICES ABOUT WHAT
09:21:16AM IS GOING ON IN OUR -- IN ANY AREA ACROSS THE STATE.
09:21:21AM THESE ARE OFFICERS.
09:21:21AM IT WILL RECENTLY CHANGE UP IN DECEMBER.
09:21:24AM SO YOU WILL SEE SOME NEW FACES WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO SOME OF
09:21:28AM OUR MEETINGS.
09:21:29AM BUT WE DEFINITELY HAVE A DIVERSE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT ARE
09:21:32AM LEADING US ALONG THE WAY.
09:21:34AM SO WE HAVE BEEN CONVENING IN THE REGION SINCE 1962.
09:21:39AM FROM SIX COUNTIES.
09:21:40AM 23 MUNICIPALITIES.
09:21:42AM REPRESENTATION FROM FDOT, FDEP AND THE SOUTHWEST
09:21:52AM FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.
09:21:52AM ALL THE WAY FROM CITRUS COUNTY DOWN TO MANATEE COUNTY.
09:21:56AM SOME OUR FOCUSED AREA ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, EMERGENCY
09:21:59AM PREPAREDNESS, ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNING, DIFFERENT PLANNING
09:22:02AM TECHNOLOGIES AND RESILIENCY PLANNING WHICH IS WHERE I TO
09:22:07AM MOST OF MY WORK IN.
09:22:08AM SOME OF THE WORK WE DO IS REGIONAL GOVERNMENT LIAISON
09:22:11AM PROGRAM, WHICH IS WHY I'M HERE TODAY.
09:22:13AM I AM ONE -- I AM THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:22:16AM ANYTHING YOU NEED, YOU JUST ASK ME.
09:22:18AM IF YOU NEED ANY HELP, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR.
09:22:21AM PLANNING SUPPORT AND TECHNICAL SERVICES.
09:22:23AM SOME OF THE THIS I THINK SO THINGS WE PROVIDE TO YOU AS A
09:22:26AM MEMBER GOVERNMENT AND CAN HELP YOU WITH AND REGIONAL
09:22:29AM CONVENING SOME OF OUR COMMITTEES AND INITIALS TIFFS THAT WE
09:22:32AM ARE DOING.
09:22:32AM OUR GOVERNMENT LIAISON STARTED THIS YEAR.
09:22:40AM WE TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE MEMBER GOVERNMENTS NEED TO
09:22:43AM DEEPEN OUR UNDERSTANDING AND EXPAND OUR KNOWLEDGE ACROSS THE
09:22:47AM REGION AND IDENTIFY WHAT EACH COMMUNITY -- EVERYBODY IS
09:22:50AM UNIQUE IN THEIR OWN COMMUNITIES AND UNDERSTANDING EACH OF
09:22:54AM OUR MEMBER GOVERNMENT'S NEED IS IMPORTANT HOW WE DO PLANNING
09:22:57AM PROCESSES AND THINGS WE CAN PROVIDE.
09:22:59AM SOME OF THE TECHNICAL SERVICES THAT WE DO PROVIDE IS WE HAVE
09:23:03AM A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT WE DO FROM ECONOMIC MODELING,
09:23:07AM POLICY AND PLAN DEVELOPMENT, GREEN HOUSE GAS ANALYSIS,
09:23:12AM SCENARIO PLANNING.
09:23:13AM LOOKING FOR THE NEXT AND BEST THING TO ADD DIFFERENT
09:23:17AM TECHNOLOGIES TO ADVANCE OUR UNDERSTANDING AND GIVE PLANNING
09:23:20AM PRACTICES TO MOVE FORWARD.
09:23:21AM ALSO, SOME THINGS THAT WE SELECT TO POINT OUT, IF THERE ARE
09:23:24AM THINGS THAT YOU NEED, WE ARE A PUBLIC AGENCY -- AS A PUBLIC
09:23:28AM AGENCY, YOU CAN DIRECTLY CONTRACT WITH US.
09:23:29AM LITTLE THINGS THAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR AND THINGS WE CAN DO
09:23:32AM INTERNALLY, WE ARE HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO WORK YOU WITH AND DO
09:23:36AM ANYTHING THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT.
09:23:38AM SO SOME RECENT HIGHLIGHTS THAT WE ARE DOING.
09:23:42AM I WILL TOUCH ON THE MacDILL MILITARY INSTALLATION RESILIENCY
09:23:46AM REVIEW THAT WE JUST PUBLISHED.
09:23:48AM CLEAN UP TAMPA BAY IS SOMETHING I POINTED OUT.
09:23:51AM OUR FIRST GREENHOUSE CLIMATE PLAN THAT DOES GREENHOUSE GAS
09:23:56AM ANALYSIS, LOW-INCOME COMMUNITY ANALYSIS, WORK FORCE
09:24:00AM DEVELOPMENT, THINGS WE ARE WORKING ON.
09:24:01AM RESILIENT AND READY TAMPA BAY.
09:24:04AM CITY OF TAMPA WAS ONE OF OUR PARTNERS ON THAT AND THE
09:24:06AM REGIONAL RESILIENCY PLAN.
09:24:09AM CITY OF TAMPA WAS A PARTNER AS WELL.
09:24:11AM TO HIGHLIGHT THE MacDILL MIRR AT THE AIR FORCE BASE.
09:24:16AM THIS IS A REVIEW THAT ANALYZED THE NEEDS OF -- THE CLIMATE
09:24:20AM NEEDS AND IMPLEMENTATION TO FOSTER AND PROTECT ENHANCED
09:24:25AM RESILIENCY AND SUSTAINABILITY THAT BENEFIT THE BASE AROUND
09:24:29AM IT.
09:24:29AM 35 STRATEGIES FOR RESILIENCY.
09:24:33AM THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE FUNDED THIS.
09:24:35AM AND THEY ACCEPTED WHAT WE HAVE DONE.
09:24:39AM AND THEY ARE POSSIBLY LOOK CAN TO FUND SOME OF THESE
09:24:42AM PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED.
09:24:43AM SO WE ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU TO BE ABLE TO FIND
09:24:45AM FUNDING THROUGH D.O.D. TO BE ABLE TO FUND SOME OF THESE
09:24:51AM STRATEGIES WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FIND.
09:24:52AM FIRST ONE WE WANT TO DO IS A JOINT PARTICIPATION AGREEMENT.
09:24:55AM CITY OF TAMPA WITH THE BASE.
09:24:56AM TAMPA BAY REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL AND ANY OTHER PARTNERS.
09:25:00AM WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MEETING ON THIS AND DOING
09:25:02AM THESE THINGS THAT WE IDENTIFIED.
09:25:04AM OTHER THINGS IS CONDUCT WATER SHED.
09:25:06AM MODELING.
09:25:09AM THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
09:25:10AM WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS
09:25:13AM AND D.O.D. IS LOOKING TO POSSIBLY FUND THESE THINGS AND
09:25:16AM LET'S GET THE MONEY WHILE WE CAN.
09:25:18AM SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS WE CONVENE, THE AGENCY OF BAY AND
09:25:22AM COASTAL MANAGEMENT.
09:25:22AM CITY OF TAMPA IS A GREAT PARTNER ON THAT.
09:25:24AM TAMPA REGENCY RESILIENCY.
09:25:27AM LOCAL PLANNING COMMITTEE.
09:25:29AM A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS WE ARE DOING AND EXPANDING LOOKING
09:25:33AM TO DO RESILIENCY AND NETWORKING, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT
09:25:38AM NETWORKING GROUPS AND TO THE FUTURE, WE REALLY WANT TO
09:25:41AM PROVIDE A SERVICE TO UNDERSTAND THAT REGIONAL NEEDS ARE
09:25:44AM REALLY IMPORTANT.
09:25:45AM NORTHWEST JUST AT CITY AND COUNCIL.
09:25:47AM WORKING TOGETHER ON THESE IS VERY IMPORTANT.
09:25:50AM SO OUR NEXT MEETING IS OCTOBER 14 I AM SURE YOU KNOW WE WILL
09:25:54AM HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE.
09:25:55AM HERE IS MY CONTACT INFO.
09:25:57AM IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT.
09:26:00AM IF I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS, SOMEBODY DOES.
09:26:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:26:04AM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN, YOU ARE THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE
09:26:07AM CITY ON THE BOARD.
09:26:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, COULD YOU ARE THE KNEE, FOR
09:26:11AM COMING FORWARD.
09:26:11AM WELCOME TO TAMPA, THE BEST CITY IN THE REGION YOU REPRESENT.
09:26:14AM I WANT TO GIVE A PLUG TO, ONE, THE STAFF OF THE REGIONAL
09:26:18AM PLANNING COUNCIL FOR ALL THE WORK THAT THEY DO.
09:26:19AM IT IS VERY EYE-OPENING TO SEE, ONE, THE TECHNICAL EXPERTISE
09:26:24AM YOU ALL COME AND YOUR CO-WORKERS COME TO THE TABLE WITH.
09:26:28AM THE DIVERSITY OF THE ISSUES YOU DEAL WITH IS INCREDIBLE AND
09:26:34AM I AM MOST IMPRESSED WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ISSUES
09:26:37AM THAT YOU DEAL WITH.
09:26:38AM KNOWING THAT WE LIVE IN A REGION THAT YOU SHARE LIKE WATER
09:26:41AM ESTUARY AND AIR QUALITY.
09:26:43AM WATER SPECIFICALLY AND THE HEALTH OF OUR BAY, THE HEALTH OF
09:26:46AM OUR RIVERS, AND HOW INTEGRATED THOSE ARE WITH THE COUNTIES
09:26:49AM THAT YOU ALL REPRESENT AND ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES.
09:26:53AM AND HOW WE ALL IMPACT THAT SHARED RESOURCE AND HOW SERIOUS
09:26:57AM THIS COUNCIL TAKES THAT.
09:26:58AM IT HAS BEEN A LOT OF DETAIL AND FASCINATING TO SEE TH
09:27:03AM STATISTICS AND THE STUDIES YOU ALL HAVE CONDUCTED AND THE
09:27:06AM PARTNERS THAT YOU IT CREATED FOR THAT.
09:27:08AM I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THE WORK PUT INTO THE MacDILL
09:27:12AM RESILIENCY PLAN.
09:27:13AM IT WAS VERY GOOD.
09:27:14AM AND EYE OPENING AS WELL.
09:27:16AM THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT AND THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE
09:27:18AM DOING FOR CITY OF TAMPA.
09:27:19AM AND LOOK TO ANY ONE OF US UP HERE.
09:27:21AM I KNOW YOU WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AND
09:27:25AM STAFF IN CITY OF TAMPA TO FULFILL THE MISSION.
09:27:27AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:27:28AM >> THANK YOU.
09:27:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
09:27:29AM SIR?
09:27:30AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AS MR.
09:27:38AM CLENDENIN SAID.
09:27:39AM HOWEVER, THERE IS A NEED FOR ALL GOVERNMENTS TO UNDERSTAND
09:27:42AM WHAT IS HAPPENING AROUND THE WORLD.
09:27:43AM NOT HAPPENING BY COINCIDENCE, HAPPENING BECAUSE WE VOIDED
09:27:50AM OUR EARTH AND THROW OUR TRASH IN THE OCEAN.
09:27:54AM AND SOLAR IS HERE -- WE ARE TRYING TO GET THERE, DON'T GET
09:27:57AM ME WRONG.
09:27:58AM AND THIS CITY IS MAKING AN EFFORT TO DO THAT.
09:28:00AM BUT GOT TO BE A BETTER AND FASTER WAY TO GET IT DONE.
09:28:06AM THE RAINS THAT ARE COMING NOW IS NOT NORMAL.
09:28:08AM THE PATTERN IS NOT NORMAL.
09:28:10AM YOU HAVE SEEN THE LAST THREE OR FOUR HURRICANES THAT FORMED.
09:28:12AM FORMED IN THE GULF.
09:28:14AM AND THAT IS NOT NORMAL.
09:28:15AM AND SO THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING ON ALERT
09:28:19AM THAT WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL, BUT WE SHOULD HAVE DONE IT YEARS
09:28:22AM BACK AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE PROBLEM TODAY.
09:28:24AM SO IN THE FUTURE, THAT IS ONLY EXACERBATING THE PROBLEM
09:28:28AM FURTHER.
09:28:29AM AND I AM AFRAID THAT NO CITY OR NO COUNTY OR NOR STATE OR NO
09:28:33AM COUNTRY WILL BE ABLE TO HOLD WHAT IS COMING.
09:28:35AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO.
09:28:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:28:39AM >> THANK YOU.
09:28:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ENJOY YOUR MORNING.
09:28:41AM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:28:42AM NOW IT IS TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:28:44AM OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS STEPHANIE POYNOR.
09:28:48AM AND FOLLOWED BY MISS AILEEN HENDERSON.
09:28:52AM >> GOOD MORNING, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
09:29:06AM YOU KNOW I HATE GOING FIRST BECAUSE I REALLY PREFER WHAT
09:29:08AM OTHER FOLKS IN THE CITY HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THINGS, BECAUSE I
09:29:11AM USUALLY HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT ALL OF THEM.
09:29:13AM NUMBER 48 HAS STOOD OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB TO ME THAT -- WHY
09:29:19AM ARE WE INCREASING OUR LEASE AT THE GTE BUILDING?
09:29:24AM I WAS TOLD THAT THOSE FACILITIES, THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
09:29:28AM FACILITIES, WERE GOING TO BE MOVED TO HANNA STREET, WHICH,
09:29:31AM OF COURSE, IS NOT FULL, OKAY.
09:29:33AM SO I THINK THEY HAD THE ONE-YEAR ANNIVERSARY -- SOMEBODY
09:29:37AM SENT ME A MESSAGE LAST NIGHT THAT THERE WAS A ONE-YEAR
09:29:40AM ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION AT HANNA STREET LAST NIGHT.
09:29:42AM BUT HERE WE ARE, WE ARE EXPANDING OUR RENTAL SPACE AT
09:29:48AM THE GTE BUILDING AND SPENDING MORE MONEY AFTER WE SPENT $140
09:29:53AM MILLION FOR HANNA STREET WHICH IS A CAVE.
09:29:55AM GO HANG OUT THERE.
09:29:56AM LOOK HOW FEW PEOPLE WORK THERE.
09:29:59AM HOW FEW PEOPLE ARE THERE DOING A JOB.
09:30:01AM I NEVER PULLED.
09:30:02AM YOU THERE AND NEVER PARKED EITHER THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE
09:30:05AM PARKING GARAGE BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO PARK IN THE SUN OR
09:30:08AM PARKED RIGHT OUTSIDE THE BUILDING WHICH TELLS ME IT IS DAMN
09:30:12AM NEAR EMPTY.
09:30:12AM I SEE THIS.
09:30:13AM AND NO MESSAGE OF THE ORIGINAL LEASE, BUT THIS ADDITIONAL
09:30:16AM LEASE IS LIKE $16,000 A YEAR.
09:30:19AM WELL, YOU KNOW MONDAY -- TUESDAY NIGHT, YOU GUYS ARGUED OVER
09:30:22AM $5,000.
09:30:23AM AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT MAYBE IT IS TIME TO ARGUE OVER THESE
09:30:27AM LITTLE PENNY ANTE LEASE.
09:30:29AM LAST WEEK I CAME TO YOU WITH A $10,000-A-MONTH LEASE FOR A
09:30:33AM PARKING LOT YARD WHEN WE HAVE A -- AN EIGHT-ACRE PROPERTY
09:30:40AM THAT IS CAPABLE OF HOUSING THAT FACILITY NOW FOR TPD.
09:30:44AM YOU KNOW IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE IS NOT A LOT OF
09:30:47AM COMMON SENSE GOING ON HERE.
09:30:49AM I AM SURE I HAVE OTHER THINGS TO SAY ABOUT OTHER THINGS
09:30:54AM BECAUSE I WAS STILL FORMULATING MY THOUGHT PROCESS.
09:30:58AM I HATE TO BE TOLD WHEN TO COME UP HERE.
09:31:00AM I THINK IT SHOULD BE OPTIONAL, BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO
09:31:03AM LISTEN TO WHAT THE REST OF MY FRIENDS HERE HAVE TO SAY
09:31:05AM BECAUSE I AM SURE I AM FORGETTING SOMETHING.
09:31:08AM I WOULD JUST LIKE FOR TO BE PULL NUMBER 48 AND HAVE A
09:31:13AM DISCUSSION, WHY IS IT -- WHY ARE WE MOVING PEOPLE INTO
09:31:17AM THE GTE LEASE WHEN YOU KNOW YOU HAVE HANNA STREET OUT THERE.
09:31:20AM IF YOU ARE GOING TO MOVE SOMEBODY, MOVE THEM TO SOME PLACE
09:31:24AM WE ALREADY OWN.
09:31:25AM WHY ARE YOU RENTING AN APARTMENT WHEN YOU HAVE A PERFECTLY
09:31:28AM GOOD HOUSE.
09:31:29AM I DON'T DO THAT.
09:31:30AM YOU GUYS DON'T DO THAT.
09:31:32AM SO WHY WOULD YOU?
09:31:33AM WHY WOULD YOU ALLOW THE CITY TO DO IS THAT?
09:31:36AM I DON'T KNOW.
09:31:36AM IT -- IT IS JUST ONE THING AFTER ANOTHER.
09:31:39AM AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE GOT THESE BIG FISH THAT HI KEEP
09:31:44AM TALKING ABOUT THAT ARE PART OF THE BUDGET, THAT NOBODY
09:31:47AM TALKED ABOUT DURING THE BUDGET MEETINGS.
09:31:49AM WE HAVEN'T TALKED OF RIVERWALK.
09:31:51AM WE HAVEN'T TALKED OF THIS -- WHAT IS IT -- FORENSICS LAB.
09:31:56AM EVERYBODY HAS THEIR HAND OUT FOR SOME MONEY.
09:31:58AM BUT WE STILL DON'T HAVE A FIRE STATION IN 24.
09:32:03AM NOBODY REALLY CARES, I GUESS.
09:32:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:32:09AM NEXT SPEAKER IS AILEEN HENDERSON FOLLOWED BY MISS
09:32:16AM ANGELA WYNN.
09:32:16AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:32:17AM AILEEN HENDERSON.
09:32:19AM I WASN'T SURE HOW I WOULD START BECAUSE I ALWAYS HAVE A LOT
09:32:24AM TO SAY.
09:32:25AM SAY TO STEPHANIE, I AM NOT PUTTING MY HAND OUT FOR ANY
09:32:29AM MONEY.
09:32:29AM I AM PUTTING MY HAND OUT FOR THE TRUTH.
09:32:31AM THAT IS WHAT I AM PUTTING MY HAND OUT FOR.
09:32:33AM I AM HOPING THE ITALIAN CLUB CAN PUT THEIR HANDS BACK OUT
09:32:37AM TOWARD US AND TELL US THE TRUTH.
09:32:39AM WE HAVE FACTS.
09:32:41AM WE HAVE GOT MAPS, PLATS.
09:32:45AM WE HAVE GOT IT ALL.
09:32:46AM COLLEGE HILL CEMETERY IS THERE.
09:32:49AM SHOW US THE GPR.
09:32:52AM WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL?
09:32:54AM I WILL SAY IT AGAIN.
09:32:56AM I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE ITALIAN CLUB CAN'T REALIZE HOW
09:33:04AM MUCH GOOD THIS COULD DO FOR THEM BY RECOGNIZING THAT
09:33:09AM AFRICAN-AMERICAN CEMETERY IS THERE TO INCLUDE THE CUBAN
09:33:18AM CEMETERY.
09:33:20AM THAT'S HOW IT STARTED.
09:33:21AM CUBAN CEMETERY AND AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN CEMETERY.
09:33:26AM I DON'T LIKE TO BE THIS WAY, TO GET ATTENTION, I WILL PARK
09:33:30AM MY CAR ON THE GRAVE THERE AT THE ITALIAN CLUB WHERE PEOPLE
09:33:33AM VISIT.
09:33:33AM SIT MY CAR ON A GRAVE.
09:33:35AM TELL YOU SOMETHING, I GUARANTEE YOU, I WILL GET ATTENTION
09:33:39AM AFTER THAT.
09:33:39AM PROBABLY WOULD GET ARRESTED.
09:33:41AM SO BE IT.
09:33:42AM BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THEY DO EVERY DAY.
09:33:44AM EVERY DAY THEY ARE WORKING ON BODIES.
09:33:47AM YOU MAY NOT CARE, BUT I TELL YOU WHAT, I CARE.
09:33:50AM AND I AM A CONSTITUENT, AND I AM A VOTER.
09:33:57AM THIS MATTERS TO ME.
09:33:59AM MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT SHOULD MATTER TO YOU.
09:34:03AM IT IS THE HISTORY OF TAMPA HISTORY NEEDS TO BE TOLD AND
09:34:06AM THOSE PEOPLE BURIED HELPED BUILD TAMPA.
09:34:10AM THAT IS OUR HISTORY.
09:34:11AM I HEAR HISTORY WHEN I LISTEN TO THE CAMPAIGNS RIGHT NOW THAT
09:34:15AM ARE GOING ON FOR PRESIDENCY.
09:34:17AM WE TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY.
09:34:19AM IT IS SO IMPORTANT.
09:34:20AM SO FOR ME, THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY.
09:34:26AM AND TAMPA HAS A LOT OF UGLY HISTORY.
09:34:28AM BUT SO DOES A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE.
09:34:30AM SO JUST TELL THE TRUTH.
09:34:32AM THAT IS WHAT WE WANT.
09:34:34AM WE ARE NOT ASKING YOU TO TEAR ANYTHING DOWN.
09:34:36AM I HEARD FROM A FRIEND OF MINE SAID, AILEEN, THEY ARE AFRAID
09:34:39AM YOU WANT TO TEAR STUFF DOWN.
09:34:41AM I DON'T WANT TO TEAR STUFF DOWN.
09:34:43AM THAT IS NOT PRACTICAL.
09:34:44AM MY AUNT AND UNCLE BURIED IN THAT MAUSOLEUM.
09:34:51AM I DON'T WANT TO TEAR ANYTHING DOWN.
09:34:52AM I WANT THE TRUTH.
09:34:53AM THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.
09:34:57AM THANK YOU.
09:34:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:34:59AM ALL RIGHT, MISS WYNN.
09:35:03AM YOU ARE NEXT FOLLOWED BY MENTESNOT.
09:35:07AM >> HERE TO SPEAK WITH COLLEGE HILL CEMETERY AND THE ITALIAN
09:35:13AM CLUB.
09:35:13AM I'M HERE TO SPEAK OF RESOLUTION WHAT I WISH WOULD BE DONE
09:35:16AM WITH COLLEGE HILL AND THE LOST.
09:35:18AM I'M HERE TO SPEAK A MESSAGE IN HOPES IT REACHES THE ITALIAN
09:35:22AM CLUB, AS THEY HAVE IGNORED MY REQUEST AND COUNCIL'S REQUEST
09:35:26AM TO PRODUCE SCAN RESULTS.
09:35:28AM I'M HERE TODAY TO JUST SIMPLY ASK TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
09:35:32AM TO BRING PIECE TO A DARK PART OF HISTORY AND RELEASE THE
09:35:37AM SCAN RESULTS.
09:35:38AM HEALING CAN BEGIN WHEN THE TRUTH IS TOLD.
09:35:42AM I KNOW MY GREAT UNCLE IS LOST WITHIN THAT PROPERTY,
09:35:46AM ALONGSIDE 1200 OTHERS.
09:35:47AM PLEASE BRING PEACE TO MY FAMILY, THIS COMMUNITY, AND MOST
09:35:51AM IMPORTANTLY, BRING PEACE TO THE PRECIOUS SOULS LAID TO REST
09:35:55AM THERE.
09:35:55AM I AM NOT SEEKING TO TAKE ANYONE'S PROPERTY OR DESECRATE YOUR
09:35:59AM ANCESTORS' AND LOVED ONES' GRAVES, I AM ASKING TO DO THE
09:36:04AM RIGHT THING.
09:36:05AM LET ME FAMILY BEGIN TO HEAL.
09:36:07AM LET ME BRING PEACE AND CLOSURE TO MY GREAT UNCLE'S MEMORY
09:36:12AM AND LET THE COMMUNITY SEE THROUGH RELEASING THOSE RESULTS
09:36:15AM THAT THEY CAN BEGIN TO HEAL.
09:36:18AM WITHHOLDING ANSWERS TO A SCAN THAT TOOK PLACE IS
09:36:22AM HEARTBREAKING TO A COMMUNITY THAT WANTS TO HOLD OUT HOPE FOR
09:36:25AM THOSE HOPING THAT THERE IS GOOD LEFT BY REVEALING THE TRUTH
09:36:28AM AND DOING THE RIGHT THING.
09:36:29AM REVEALING THAT INSTEAD OF IGNORING THIS ANY LONGER, FACED
09:36:35AM THE MISTAKES FROM THE PAST AND SHOW THE COMMUNITY AND THE
09:36:38AM CITY THAT THOSE BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL LIVES MATTERED AND
09:36:44AM RESPECT THEM.
09:36:45AM WE CAN NOT CHANGE THINGS FROM THE PAST BUT MAKE IT BETTER.
09:36:54AM ACCOUNTING FOR THE LOSS AT COLLEGE HILL CEMETERY AND NOT
09:36:58AM MAKING THIS HAPPEN EVER AGAIN IN HISTORY.
09:37:00AM IN ENDING, YOU ASK THAT DO YOU THE RIGHT THING.
09:37:02AM WOULD YOU WITH EVER WANT THIS TO HAPPEN TO YOUR FAMILY?
09:37:05AM WOULD YOU EVER WANT THEM TO BE FORGOTTEN AND PARKED ON?
09:37:08AM THE SCAN RESULTS ARE NEEDED FOR THE COMMUNITY TO SEE THAT
09:37:10AM YOU CARE.
09:37:11AM I WANT TO SEE CLOSURE TO ANOTHER LONG AND DARK CHAPTER
09:37:15AM WITHIN OUR TAMPA ROOTS.
09:37:17AM I WANT TO KNOW THAT MY GREAT UNCLE'S MEMORY CAN BE
09:37:21AM RESURRECTED BY THE TRUTH BY THESE SCAN RESULTS.
09:37:23AM I WANT THE 1200 LOST TO FIND THAT PEACE THAT THEIR LIVES
09:37:27AM MATTERED.
09:37:28AM AND IN LIFE, THESE AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND CUBAN SOULS ENDURED
09:37:32AM SO MUCH PAIN AND SUFFERING.
09:37:34AM IN DEATH, PLEASE LET SHOW THEM THEY DESERVE THE LOVE AND
09:37:37AM DIGNITY TO BE REMEMBERED FOR THE BEAUTIFUL SOULS THEY
09:37:39AM BROUGHT TO THIS COMMUNITY.
09:37:41AM IN ENDING, I WILL LEAVE A QUOTE FROM THE AMAZING MARTIN
09:37:44AM LUTHER KING, JR.
09:37:44AM OUR LIVES BEGAN TO END THE DAY WE BECOME SILENT ABOUT THE
09:37:48AM THINGS THAT MATTER.
09:37:49AM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:37:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:37:54AM NEXT SPEAKER IS MENTESNOT FOLLOWED BY MISS ROMALOC.
09:38:01AM >> MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
09:38:05AM YOU KNOW IN 1776 OR 1770 OR 1765, IF ANYONE SAID GEORGE
09:38:15AM WASHINGTON WAS OR WOULD BE A GREAT REVOLUTIONARY, PEOPLE
09:38:19AM WOULD THINK THEY WERE OUT OF THEIR MIND.
09:38:22AM BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT VISION OR THEY DIDN'T KNOW THE
09:38:25AM PROCESS OF DISRUPTING THE PROCESS.
09:38:27AM AND IN 2024, IF SOMEONE SAYS THAT THE WHITE SCHOOL SHOOTER
09:38:34AM IS A GREAT REVOLUTIONARY, SOMEBODY WOULD PROBABLY SAY THAT
09:38:39AM IS HORRENDOUS AND YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND.
09:38:41AM BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER, THOSE ARE THE WHITE KIDS THAT
09:38:45AM ARE THE NEW REVOLUTIONARIES, THEY ARE THE NEW FRED HAMPTONS.
09:38:50AM THEY ARE DISRUPTING THE SYSTEM.
09:38:51AM BECAUSE THE OLD PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
09:38:54AM AND THE OLD PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT.
09:38:57AM AND THEY CONTINUE WITH THE VIOLENCE.
09:39:00AM THEY PERPETRATE VIOLENCE AGAINST SOCIETY IN THE WORST WAY.
09:39:04AM AND THEY WANT YOU TO ACCEPT IT.
09:39:05AM AND OTHER THINGS THEY WANT YOU TO THINK THAT IS HORRENDOUS,
09:39:11AM YOU KNOW.
09:39:12AM WE SEE THE WORST FORM OF VIOLENCE, VIOLENCE THAT YOU
09:39:15AM COULDN'T EVEN IMAGINE THAT IS GOING ON.
09:39:18AM EXPLODING PAGERS.
09:39:22AM WHO WOULD HAVE THUNK IT.
09:39:26AM EXPLODING PAGERS.
09:39:31AM THOUSANDS OF PAGERS EXPLODING AND THEY SAY THAT IS SOME KIND
09:39:34AM OF MILITARY TACTIC THAT THEY ARE USING AGAINST THE PEOPLE
09:39:38AM AGAINST HEZBOLLAH OR WHOSOEVER IT MAY BE.
09:39:42AM WHAT IT IS WHITE PEOPLE TERRORIZING EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD.
09:39:46AM THE UNITED STATES AND NATO IS USING UKRAINE TO TERRORIZE
09:39:51AM RUSSIA AND CHINA IN SOCIALISM.
09:39:55AM UNITED STATES IS USING OCCUPIED PALESTINE TO USE THE WORD
09:40:00AM "ISRAEL."
09:40:01AM THE WORD NORMALLY DON'T COME OUT OF MY MOUTH.
09:40:04AM TO TERRORIZE THE PEOPLE IN PALESTINE, THE MIDDLE EAST,
09:40:08AM NORTH AFRICA AND THROUGHOUT AFRICA.
09:40:10AM AND IT IS THE WORST FORM OF TERROR YOU COULD POSSIBLY SEE.
09:40:14AM AND WHEN I SHOULD BE HERE TALKING OF REPARATIONS FOR AFRICAN
09:40:18AM PEOPLE FOR 824 YEARS OF INJUSTICES DONE TO US, YOU HAVE TO
09:40:23AM REALIZE AND RECOGNIZE THAT SITUATION IN PALESTINE.
09:40:26AM HOW CAN PEOPLE BE SO WICKED.
09:40:30AM THEN THEY TALK ABOUT HITLER.
09:40:33AM HOW CAN PEOPLE BE SO WICKED AND JUST NASTY.
09:40:42AM THAT IS WHAT YOU SEE IN THIS CITY.
09:40:44AM THEY TALK ABOUT SMALL THINGS.
09:40:46AM THEY DON'T TALK ABOUT BIG THINGS.
09:40:48AM THIS CITY CAN RUN OUT A CITY COUNCIL.
09:40:49AM THIS CITY CAN RUN WITHOUT A MAYOR.
09:40:56AM IT ACTUALLY CAN.
09:40:58AM YOU GUYS ARE NOTHING.
09:40:59AM IF YOU DON'T HAVE A RESOLUTION OR DON'T SAY WHAT IS GOING
09:41:02AM OUT IN PALESTINE AND PEOPLE TALKING OF BLACK PEOPLE EATING
09:41:06AM DOGS AND CATS.
09:41:07AM IF YOU DON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT, SOMETHING IS WRONG.
09:41:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:41:15AM MISS ROBIN LOCKET IS THE NEXT SPEAKER.
09:41:19AM ARE YOU GOOD?
09:41:20AM ALL RIGHT, WE WILL GO TO REGISTERED PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:41:22AM SIMONE NELSON IS THE FIRST SPEAKER.
09:41:27AM WE WILL GO BACK.
09:41:38AM MR. RONALD SCAGLIONE IS THE NEXT SPEAKER.
09:41:42AM IF YOU WILL UNMUTE YOURSELF, MR. SCAGLIONE, IT IS YOUR TIME
09:41:47AM TO SPEAK.
09:41:48AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:41:49AM MY NAME IS RONALD SCAGLIONE, 309 SOUTH NEW JERSEY AVENUE.
09:41:54AM YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE A PACKET I SUBMITTED TO THE CLERK'S
09:41:58AM OFFICE FOR DISTRIBUTION REGARDING THIS SUBJECT I AM ABOUT TO
09:42:02AM TALK ABOUT.
09:42:02AM FIRST READING WAS HELD OCTOBER 13, 2022 FOR REZONE 22-29 ON
09:42:08AM A PARCEL ON MacDILL.
09:42:10AM EXHIBIT A IN MY PACKET IS A COPY OF THE OVERHEAD PRESENTED
09:42:15AM TO COUNCIL AS ZAIN HUSSEIN AS A SITE PLAN FOR THIS PROJECT.
09:42:18AM CO-COUNCIL'S ATTENTION WHEN THEY SEE IT, THE NOTE HAS NO
09:42:22AM DUMPSTER DEPICTED FOR THE COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC OVERHEAD.
09:42:26AM THE STAFF REPORT SUBMITTED TO COUNCIL FOR VIEWING HAD A
09:42:30AM NOTATION ON PAGE TWO, WHICH I HIGHLIGHTED, WHICH WAS TO ADD
09:42:34AM A DUMPSTER TO 301 SOUTH NEW JERSEY AVENUE IN PHASE TWO OF
09:42:40AM THIS PROPERTY REZONE.
09:42:40AM THE STAFF REPORT WAS NOT AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC OR STATED
09:42:44AM OTHERWISE ON THE OVERHEAD FOR THE PUBLIC INPUT.
09:42:47AM AT THIS HEARING, THE REPRESENTATIVE STEVE MICHELINI, WHO I
09:42:51AM KNOW IS IN THE ROOM TODAY, RESPONDED TO A QUESTION PRESENTED
09:42:54AM BY LYNN HURTAK ASKING FOR LOCATION OF RESIDENCE AND
09:42:57AM CLARIFICATION ON THE DUMPSTER.
09:42:58AM HE RESPONDED TO HER WITH A VERY -- WITH A RESPONSE THAT SAID
09:43:04AM PHASE TWO HAD TOWN HOMES AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ALL
09:43:07AM AROUND THIS.
09:43:08AM NEVER MENTIONING MY SINGLE-FAMILY HOME ABUTTING THIS SITE.
09:43:11AM PLEASE REFER TO THE PACKAGE ON THE LOCATION TO THE STREET
09:43:14AM ADDRESSES.
09:43:15AM NOTE THE DUMPSTER IS BEING BUILT ON 067.
09:43:19AM NOT 301 SOUTH NEW JERSEY WHICH THE PACKET HAD NOTATIONS ON.
09:43:24AM ON NOVEMBER, THE DUMPSTER LOCATION WAS CHANGED TO IT THE
09:43:29AM APPLICANT'S 307 NEW JERSEY COMMITTED TO KATHY SASONI'S GROUP
09:43:36AM TO BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL FOR SECOND READING.
09:43:39AM APRIL 24 ALREADY I NOTICED THE DUMPSTER PAD BEING
09:43:42AM CONSTRUCTED NEXT TO MY HOME WITH THE FOE TO HE IN THE PACKET
09:43:46AM AND I TALKED TO GOVERNMENT AND SPOKE TO VARIOUS DEPARTMENT
09:43:49AM HEADS AND SOLID WASTE.
09:43:50AM I ALSO RECITED IN MY PACKET FOUR SIGNIFICANT ERRORS, AS WELL
09:43:55AM AS THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED AS PART OF THIS DEFLECTED
09:43:59AM PLAT AND DEFLECTED REZONE.
09:44:02AM I AM ASKING CITY COUNCIL TO HAVE AN INVESTIGATION TO REMEDY
09:44:06AM THE LOCATION OF THE DUMPSTER.
09:44:07AM AND INSTRUCT THEM TO MOVE IT TO WHERE IT WAS APPROVED BY
09:44:12AM THIS SECOND READING -- OR BY THIS FIRST READING WHERE
09:44:15AM STAFF'S REPORT CALLED FOR IT.
09:44:16AM GIVEN THESE MATERIALS ERRORS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT, THE
09:44:21AM DUMPSTER MUST BE REMOVED TO THE LOCATION OF 301 SOUTH NEW
09:44:25AM JERSEY OR ANOTHER AREA WITHIN THIS 20-UNIT PROJECT AND NOT
09:44:28AM BE ALLOWED TO BE ON 307 SOUTH NEW JERSEY.
09:44:34AM 27-288-B STATES NOT PROHIBIT DUMPSTERS TO IT BE LOCATED IN
09:44:40AM THE FRONT YARDS OF RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
09:44:42AM THIS DUMPSTER IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO MY FRONT YARD.
09:44:46AM AND I THANK COUNCIL FOR HEARING ME IN THIS PUBLIC COMMENT
09:44:51AM SECTION.
09:44:51AM AND I HOPE YOU WILL TAKE ACTION.
09:44:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:44:55AM SIMONE NELSON.
09:44:57AM NOT UNMUTED.
09:44:58AM MICHAEL RANDOLPH, ARE YOU ON?
09:45:01AM >> GOOD MORNING
09:45:01AM MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
09:45:04AM WEST THIS CAC.
09:45:06AM TODAY I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM.
09:45:10AM THE FOCUS IS TO INCREASE PUBLIC SAFETY AND INCREASE
09:45:15AM GENERATIONAL WEALTH.
09:45:16AM THE TITLE OF THE PROGRAM IS "THE HOME-BASED E COMMERCIAL
09:45:23AM INITIATIVE."
09:45:24AM THE OBJECTIVE IS TO INCREASE RESIDENT HOME BUSINESSES AND
09:45:28AM JOB CREATION.
09:45:28AM WHAT IS UNIQUE ABOUT THIS PROGRAM IS THAT IT IS LOW COST TO
09:45:32AM START UP, BECAUSE THERE ARE NO BRICK AND MORTAR.
09:45:36AM PEOPLE CAN START THEIR BUSINESS FROM THEIR HOUSE.
09:45:39AM WHAT WE DID WAS TO MONETIZE RESIDENTS' SKILLS.
09:45:42AM EVERYBODY HAS A SKILL.
09:45:44AM WE CONVERT IT INTO MONEY.
09:45:47AM IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE WORK WITH THE RESIDENTS TO OWN
09:45:51AM PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS IN ORDER TO HELP THEM, WE PROVIDE --
09:45:56AM WE ARE GOING TO PROVIDE MICRO LOANS THAT CAN BE CONVERTED TO
09:46:01AM GRANTS IF THAT BUSINESS BEGINS TO HIRE PEOPLE FROM THE
09:46:04AM COMMUNITY.
09:46:04AM FUNDING IS COMING THROUGH A PARTNERSHIP WITH CORPORATIONS
09:46:10AM AND FOUNDATIONS.
09:46:11AM WE HAVE ASSETS FROM 30,000 GRANTS OF WAY OF SUBSCRIPTION IN
09:46:19AM THE GRANT STATION.
09:46:20AM THAT MEANS WE HAVE AVAILABLE MONIES WE CAN GO OVER THAT
09:46:23AM NOBODY ELSE IS GOING AFTER.
09:46:25AM STUDENTS WILL BE PROVIDED WITH A COMPUTER AND ACCESS TO THE
09:46:32AM INTERNET.
09:46:33AM FOCUS GROUP, SENIOR CITIZENS, THOSE WITH CRIMINAL RECORDS,
09:46:38AM SENIORS, HEAD OF HOUSEHOLDS AND LOWER INCOME.
09:46:40AM WE PROJECT THAT ANYWHERE FROM 40 TO 60 NEW FULL-TIME AND
09:46:47AM PART-TIME BUSINESSES WILL BE STARTED OUT OF IN INITIATIVE
09:46:50AM WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
09:46:52AM IN ADDITION TO THAT, 80 TO 100 NEW JOBS CREATED.
09:46:57AM STUDENTS WILL BE -- WILL HAVE MENTORS BY WAY OF SCHOOL AND
09:47:03AM THE SMALL BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION.
09:47:04AM IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ARE LOOKING AT WHEN WE GET OUR NEW
09:47:09AM BUILDING TO START A SMALL SPACE FOR THEM TO HAVE CHANCE TO
09:47:14AM START THEIR BUSINESS IN TERMS OF AN INCUBATOR CENTER.
09:47:18AM WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE OF THE ZION CEMETERY.
09:47:24AM WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THAT AND IT WE COULD LOSE UP TO
09:47:27AM TODAY 7 MILLION IF A DIFFERENT PLACE NOT COME TOGETHER.
09:47:31AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND HAVE A GREAT.
09:47:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, MR. RANDOLPH.
09:47:36AM SIMONE NELSON IS ON?
09:47:39AM >>CLERK: SHE IS ON BUT --
09:47:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO I CAN SKIP?
09:47:43AM ADRIENNE RODRIGUEZ.
09:47:45AM YOU ARE THE NEXT SPEAKER.
09:47:48AM GO AHEAD.
09:47:49AM >> ADRIENNE RODRIGUEZ, CAN YOU HEAR ME.
09:47:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
09:47:58AM GO AHEAD.
09:47:59AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:48:00AM HOW ARE YOU.
09:48:01AM I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THINGS.
09:48:02AM SEVERAL DAYS OCTOBER 1, HB 1465 GOES IN EFFECT, UNAUTHORIZED
09:48:08AM PUBLIC CAMPING AND PUBLIC SLEEPING.
09:48:10AM THIS WILL SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT THE HOMELESS COMMUNITY.
09:48:18AM THE TAMPA'S MAYOR AND ADMINISTRATION HAVE NOT DONE AS FAR AS
09:48:21AM I KNOW DONE ANYTHING TO HELP THE HOMELESS, BUT INSTEAD A MR.
09:48:26AM ADAM SMITH DIRECTED ME TO CATHOLIC CHARITIES.
09:48:29AM THEY SEEM TO BE THE ONLY ORGANIZATION HELPING THE HOMELESS.
09:48:32AM REACHED 813-631-4370.
09:48:37AM ALSO FOR ANYONE IN NEED OF HELP, THERE IS A RESOURCE WEB
09:48:41AM SITE.
09:48:41AM FINDHELP.ORG.
09:48:43AM IF YOU TYPE IN THE ZIP CODE, IT WILL SHOW YOU RESOURCES
09:48:47AM AVAILABLE TO YOU WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
09:48:48AM IT IS VERY, VERY HELPFUL WEB SITE.
09:48:52AM NOW THE REASON I AM WANTING TO SPEAK TODAY -- AND I REALLY
09:48:56AM DON'T LIKE TO SPEAK AT COUNCILS, BECAUSE IN ADDITION TO, YOU
09:49:00AM KNOW, YOUR CRA MEETINGS, REGULAR MEETINGS, SPECIAL MEETINGS,
09:49:04AM BUDGET MEETINGS AND HEARINGS, IT IS SAFE TO SAY THAT YOU
09:49:08AM ARE, AT COUNCIL, ABOUT 50 THURSDAYS ANNUALLY.
09:49:11AM SO THERE HAPPENS TO BE AN INDIVIDUAL THAT UTILIZES THREE
09:49:15AM MINUTES EVERY SINGLE THURSDAY.
09:49:18AM THAT IS THREE MINUTES FOR 50 WEEKS EQUATES TO TWO AND A HALF
09:49:29AM HOURS A YEAR THAT WE AND MANY ARE NONSTOP NONSENSE, RECAPS
09:49:35AM OF WORLD EVENTS, POLITICAL OPINIONS.
09:49:40AM HEARING HIM BADGER, BERATE, BELITTLE, INSULT COUNCIL --
09:49:48AM BLAMING YOU FOR HIS PROBLEMS.
09:49:50AM AND IT IS JUST NOISE.
09:49:51AM AND I AM REALLY TIRED OF IT.
09:49:53AM I DON'T HAVE TWO AND A HALF HOURS A YEAR TO DONATE MY TIME
09:49:58AM TO HEAR THIS BULL ... EXCUSE MY FRENCH BUT I HAD ENOUGH.
09:50:04AM THIS PERSON HAS BEEN COMING DOWN FOR DECADES.
09:50:06AM DID YOU KNOW IN JUST ONE YEAR THAT EQUATES TO 6.2 DAYS?
09:50:12AM TAKE A VACATION.
09:50:13AM 6.2 DAYS.
09:50:15AM I AM ASKING COUNCIL TO PUT A STOP TO THE VULGAR LANGUAGE
09:50:20AM THAT HAS BEEN USED IN SO MANY MEETINGS.
09:50:25AM THE INAPPROPRIATE ATTIRE THAT IS WORN TO COUNCIL.
09:50:29AM THAT SHOULD BE BANNED AS WELL.
09:50:31AM NOT SEE SYMBOLS OF THE NAMES OF COUNCILMEMBERS TO ME IS
09:50:35AM TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE.
09:50:37AM SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS INDIVIDUAL HAS DONE THIS.
09:50:40AM MAYBE TO FEED HIS EGO.
09:50:42AM TO GIVE UP THREE HOURS OF HIS THURSDAY EVERY THURSDAY FOR 50
09:50:48AM THURSDAYS.
09:50:49AM THAT IS TWO MONTHS.
09:50:50AM I MEAN THAT'S -- IN TEN YEARS, IT EQUATES TO TWO MONTHS.
09:50:54AM BUT THE MAIN REASON I AM SPEAKING TODAY IS I CAN HEAR ALL
09:50:59AM DAY LONG ANGELA, MISS LOCKETT.
09:51:05AM I AM SICK OF THE NOISE AND THE DISRESPECT AND HIS REFERENCE
09:51:08AM TO FEMALE BODY PARTS.
09:51:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:51:10AM >> IT IS JUST CRAP.
09:51:12AM AND I WANT IT TO STOP.
09:51:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:51:14AM AND ALSO, FOR THE PUBLIC, PLEASE WATCH THE LANGUAGE.
09:51:18AM WE HAVE FAMILIES WATCHING AT HOME.
09:51:19AM KIDS WATCHING AT HOME.
09:51:21AM AND WITH REGARDS TO THE DECORUM AND WE HAVE DISCUSSED THE
09:51:24AM RULES AND EVERYTHING AT THE BEGINNING.
09:51:26AM YOU KNOW, PLEASE BE MINDFUL OF THAT.
09:51:28AM IF NOT, I WILL BANG THE GAVEL AND CALL FOLKS OUT OF ORDER.
09:51:32AM ALL RIGHT, CARROLL ANN BENNETT IS OUR LAST SPEAKER ONLINE.
09:51:40AM BACK TO SIMONE NELSON.
09:51:42AM SIMONE NELSON WILL BE OUR FINAL SPEAKER FOR THE DAY.
09:51:46AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND GO AHEAD.
09:51:48AM >> HI, MY NAME IS SIMONE NELSON.
09:51:51AM CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME?
09:51:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, GO AHEAD.
09:51:54AM >> HI.
09:51:55AM I AM A RESIDENT AT 2927 WEST SANTIAGO STREET ACROSS THE
09:52:00AM STREET FROM THE RITZ-CARLTON PROJECT BEING DONE WITH THE
09:52:06AM RELATED GROUP.
09:52:06AM WE HAD A BUNCH OF ISSUES WITH THEM DROPPING PAINT ON
09:52:10AM CONCRETE, MATERIALS ON ALL OF OUR BUILDINGS, ROOFS AND
09:52:16AM PATIOS.
09:52:17AM WE HAVE SPOKEN TO THE CITY, BUT NOTHING REALLY HAS BEEN DONE
09:52:20AM TO ALLEVIATE FOR MITIGATE ANY OF THESE ISSUES WE HAVE BEEN
09:52:24AM SEEING.
09:52:24AM CURRENTLY THIS YEAR, THE BIGGEST ISSUE WE HAVE BEEN DEALING
09:52:28AM WITH IS MOBILITY.
09:52:29AM EACH MORNING WE WAKE UP, AND SOMETHING NEW HAPPENING AROUND
09:52:33AM THE STREETS AROUND US.
09:52:34AM THEY HAVE ROAD CLOSED SIGNS.
09:52:38AM CUT OFF ACCESS.
09:52:39AM A GROUP OF CONDOS ALONG SANTIAGO STREET, WE ONLY HAVE ONE
09:52:45AM ACCESS FROM ISABELLA ROAD TO ENTER OUR HOMES AND EXIT.
09:52:49AM CURRENTLY THIS IS BEING BLOCKED BY STAGING CEMENT TRUCKS AND
09:52:53AM CONSTRUCTION WORKERS WITH THEIR TRUCKS TO WHERE WE HAVE TO
09:52:56AM WAIT TO EVEN GET OUT FROM OUR HOMES.
09:52:59AM TO ME -- THIS IS EVEN AN ISSUE ITSELF.
09:53:05AM I AM COMING TO YOU TODAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE INSTALLED OR
09:53:08AM ATTEMPTING TO INSTALL PARKING IN FRONT OF OUR HOME.
09:53:11AM THIS WAS A MATTER THAT WAS BROUGHT UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL
09:53:14AM OCTOBER 6, 2002.
09:53:16AM IT WAS DISCUSSED AND DETERMINED THERE WOULD BE NO PARKING ON
09:53:19AM OUR SIDE OR THEIR SIDE, FOR THAT MATTER.
09:53:21AM THEY HAVE CONSTRUCTED PARKING SPACES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF
09:53:27AM SANTIAGO OF WHICH THEY CAN USE.
09:53:29AM SO THE FACT THAT THEY ARE BRINGING UP PARKING NOW.
09:53:33AM AND ESSENTIALLY IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING IT APPROVED, WE
09:53:37AM FIND IT UTTERLY RIDICULOUS.
09:53:41AM WE HAVE SPOKE TO THE MOBILITY AND CONSTRUCTION DEPARTMENT
09:53:44AM AND THEY CAN'T PUT A REASON WHY THEY ARE PUTTING PARKING
09:53:47AM THERE OTHER THAN IT IS FOR THE RESIDENTS.
09:53:49AM US AS RESIDENTS AS 25-PLUS PEOPLE SAY WE DON'T WANT THE
09:53:53AM PARKING BUT THEY ARE STILL INSTALLING IT SAYING IT IS FOR
09:53:57AM YOU GUYS.
09:53:58AM IT HAS JUST BECOME AN ISSUE.
09:54:00AM WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST FOR THE COUNCIL TO DO AN
09:54:03AM INVESTIGATION INTO THIS PARKING.
09:54:04AM BECAUSE I AM NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING AS WHO TO YOU THEY CAN
09:54:09AM OVERRULE IS THE DECISION MADE TWO YEARS AGO AND IT IS GET
09:54:15AM WHAT THEY WANT.
09:54:15AM CONTRACTORS ARE WORKING AROUND IN BUILDINGS, PARKING IN
09:54:18AM FRONT OF OUR -- PARKING IN FRONT OF OUR HOMES ALL HOURS OF
09:54:23AM THE DAY.
09:54:24AM SO, YES, I WOULD LIKE TO GO REQUEST COUNCIL TO DO AN
09:54:28AM INVESTIGATION AND STOP THIS PARKING FROM BEING IN FRONT OF
09:54:31AM OUR HOMES.
09:54:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:54:35AM CARROLL ANN BENNETT WAS NOT ON, CORRECT?
09:54:38AM THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:54:39AM GO TO THE CONSENT AGENDA AT THIS TIME.
09:54:42AM LUIS VIERA, YOU ARE THE PUBLIC SAFETY.
09:54:48AM >>LUIS VIERA: I MOVE ITEMS 4-12.
09:54:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND.
09:54:51AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09:54:51AM ANY OPPOSED?
09:54:53AM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
09:54:53AM 13-23.
09:54:55AM YOU ARE THE CHAIR OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS.
09:54:58AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
09:55:01AM THANK YOU.
09:55:01AM FOR NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS, I MOVE ITEMS 13-23.
09:55:06AM >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND.
09:55:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND A SECOND.
09:55:12AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09:55:13AM ALL RIGHT, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS CHAIR OF THE
09:55:16AM INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE.
09:55:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, I AM GOING TO MOVE ITEMS 24-37; HOWEVER,
09:55:21AM I WANTED TO LET COUNCILMEMBERS KNOW THAT ITEM NUMBER 36
09:55:27AM ABOUT THE ATHLETIC FIELD LIGHTING CITY WIDE DESIGN-BUILD.
09:55:31AM I AM GOING TO HAVE A MOTION LATER ON FOR A REGULAR REPORT
09:55:34AM DURING NEW BUSINESS.
09:55:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU ARE STILL MOVING THAT ITEM.
09:55:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM MOVING THAT ITEM BUT I WANT TO LET YOU
09:55:41AM KNOW I AM DOING A MOTION ABOUT IT LATER TO KEEP IN THE BACK
09:55:44AM OF YOUR HEAD.
09:55:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:55:47AM SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:55:49AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09:55:50AM OPPOSED?
09:55:51AM ALL RIGHT.
09:55:51AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, FINANCE COMMITTEE CHAIR, 38-42.
09:55:55AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOTION FOR 38-42.
09:55:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:55:58AM SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:56:00AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09:56:01AM ALL RIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 47 WAS PULLED TO GO AFTER ITEM 61.
09:56:06AM SO COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE 43-50 WITH THE
09:56:10AM EXCEPTION OF 47.
09:56:11AM >>BILL CARLSON: SO MOVED.
09:56:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:56:14AM SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:56:16AM ALL IN FAVOR --
09:56:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE SOMETHING I WANT TO SAY.
09:56:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND.
09:56:21AM BEFORE WE VOTE ON THAT.
09:56:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS WAS TALKED ABOUT DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:56:24AM BUT I HAVE A MOTION ABOUT THE GTE BUILDING AND THE LEASES
09:56:28AM THAT WILL COME DURING NEW BUSINESS.
09:56:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
09:56:32AM >>BILL CARLSON: THAT'S WHERE I AM AT --
09:56:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE ARE GOING TO VOTE ON MOVING THAT
09:56:36AM ENTIRE PART EXCEPT 47.
09:56:39AM WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
09:56:40AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09:56:41AM ANY OPPOSED?
09:56:42AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
09:56:44AM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN WE DO 54 AT A SEPARATE VOTE, PLEASE?
09:56:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
09:56:49AM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN, 51-53.
09:56:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MOVE ITEMS 51-53.
09:56:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
09:56:58AM SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:56:59AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09:57:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MOVE ITEM 54.
09:57:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN ON
09:57:06AM 54.
09:57:06AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:57:07AM ROLL CALL VOTE.
09:57:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES.
09:57:13AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
09:57:14AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
09:57:15AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
09:57:16AM >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
09:57:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
09:57:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
09:57:19AM >>CLERK: MOTION WITH CARLSON VOTING NO AND HENDERSON BEING
09:57:23AM ABSENT AT VOTE.
09:57:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DON'T NEED STAFF PRESENT FOR 68 AND 69.
09:57:29AM CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE ITEMS.
09:57:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO MOVED.
09:57:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
09:57:35AM SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:57:36AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, OPPOSED?
09:57:38AM ALL RIGHT.
09:57:38AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SET 55 AND 56 THE
09:57:42AM PUBLIC HEARINGS.
09:57:43AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 55 AND 56 HEARINGS TO BE HELD NOVEMBER 7,
09:57:49AM 2024, 1:30 P.M. ON BOTH ITEMS AT CITY HALL.
09:57:52AM 315 E. KENNEDY, 33602, I THINK IT IS.
09:57:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S RIGHT.
09:57:59AM WE HAVE A MOTION.
09:58:00AM AND DO WE HAVE A SECOND.
09:58:03AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
09:58:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT ABOUT SOMETHING AFTER THIS.
09:58:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
09:58:08AM THIS IS TO SET THE PUBLIC HEARING 55-56.
09:58:12AM WE CAN'T GO TO THE 10 A.M. PUBLIC HEARINGS.
09:58:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WAS GOING TO RECOMMEND WE GO TO ITEM NUMBER
09:58:18AM 70 -- THEY WERE HERE THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
09:58:20AM AND THEY ARE OUTSIDE.
09:58:22AM SO I THOUGHT WE COULD GET THEM DONE SO THEY CAN GO.
09:58:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YEAH.
09:58:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SEE IF WE CAN CATCH THEM BECAUSE WE HAVE
09:58:32AM TO WAIT FOR 10:00.
09:58:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK THEY ARE OUTSIDE TALKING.
09:58:36AM THERE THEY ARE.
09:58:37AM IT WORKED OUT BEAUTIFULLY.
09:58:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: EARLY.
09:58:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK: NEVER HAPPENS.
09:58:42AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIR, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT A
09:58:44AM MOTION BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT.
09:58:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I MOTION TO LISTEN TO ITEM 70.
09:58:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SINCE THEY ARE HERE, A GOOD EFFICIENT
09:58:52AM WAY OF TIME.
09:58:53AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WITHOUT OBJECTION.
09:58:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY OBJECTION?
09:58:56AM BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT.
09:58:57AM HEAR ITEM 70 NOW, BECAUSE THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS HERE
09:59:00AM AND IS GRACING US WITH THEIR PRESENCE.
09:59:03AM SO, YES, MA'AM, HOW ARE YOU.
09:59:06AM >> WOW, GOOD MORNING.
09:59:07AM THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING US UP TO QUICKLY.
09:59:10AM MELISSA ZORNITTA, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE HILLSBOROUGH
09:59:16AM COUNTY-CITY PLANNING COMMISSION.
09:59:17AM WE HAVE A VERY SHORT PRESENTATION TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON
09:59:20AM WHERE WE ARE WITH THE UPDATE OF SPECIFICALLY THE FUTURE LAND
09:59:24AM USE SECTION OF THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
09:59:28AM JUST TO LAY OUT THE ORDER OF OUR PRESENTATION.
09:59:30AM I AM GOING TO COVER A BRIEF BIT OF CONTEXT WHERE WE ARE IN
09:59:35AM THE PROCESS, AND JENNIFER MALONE WILL COVER SOME OF THE
09:59:38AM CHANGES, PARTICULARLY THAT HAVE BEEN MADE SINCE YOUR LAST
09:59:41AM WORKSHOP SINCE THE END OF JUNE.
09:59:44AM WE HAD A LOT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OVER THE LAST TWO
09:59:48AM MONTHS.
09:59:48AM AND WE ARE STILL DIGESTING ALL OF THAT.
09:59:52AM LINKS TO ALL YOU HAVE OF THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED IN THE
09:59:55AM AGENDA BACK-UP.
09:59:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO AS -- BEFORE YOU CONTINUE, I RECEIVED
10:00:01AM -- I WAS CONTACTED BY A COUPLE OF FOLKS REGARDING CONCERN ON
10:00:06AM 70.
10:00:06AM I TOLD THEM SO THEY KNOW, THIS IS JUST A STAFF REPORT.
10:00:09AM BECAUSE SOME FOLKS WERE CONCERNED -- WE DIDN'T SEE IT
10:00:12AM ONLINE.
10:00:13AM WE DIDN'T SEE THE INFORMATION.
10:00:14AM THEY WILL SEE THE INFORMATION.
10:00:15AM WE ARE NOT TAKING ANY ACTION TODAY.
10:00:17AM JUST SO THEY KNOW.
10:00:21AM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA: YES, ABSOLUTELY.
10:00:23AM THIS IS JUST AN UPDATE.
10:00:25AM WE ARE CONTINUING TO GET FEEDBACK FROM EVERYONE INCLUDING
10:00:28AM YOURSELVES TODAY ON THE DRAFT THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED.
10:00:33AM IT HAS BEEN UP ON OUR WEB SITE SINCE AUGUST.
10:00:37AM WE HAVE ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL TOOLS, LIKE A CROSSWALK SO
10:00:41AM PEOPLE CAN SEE EXACTLY WHAT CHANGES ARE PROPOSED.
10:00:45AM THAT IS GOING TO CHANGE AS WE MOVE INTO THE FINAL DRAFT THAT
10:00:49AM THEN COMES TO YOU BEFORE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
10:00:52AM BECAUSE WE WANT TO INTEGRATE AS MANY OF THE ITEMS THAT WE
10:00:56AM HAVE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC AS POSSIBLE.
10:00:57AM AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE COMP PLAN PROVIDES BROAD VISIONARY
10:01:04AM GUIDANCE ON THE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT FACING THE CITY.
10:01:07AM WE HAVE A LOT OF GROWTH THAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING AND
10:01:10AM CONTINUES TO HAPPEN.
10:01:11AM AND OUR -- OUR PROPOSAL IS TO TRY TO BALANCE THAT AS BEST AS
10:01:16AM WE CAN, BY FOCUSING GROWTH ALONG -- IN THE AREAS WHERE IT IS
10:01:21AM DESIRED AND HELPFUL TO THE CITY AND THEN IDENTIFYING TOOLS
10:01:24AM TO INCENTIVIZE THAT.
10:01:26AM AND THEN FOCUSING ON THE PROTECTION OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
10:01:30AM WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT BOTH OF THOSE ISSUES.
10:01:32AM WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROCESS SINCE WE DEVELOPED A
10:01:35AM VISION ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO WITH YOU ALL.
10:01:37AM AND WE HAVE REALLY VALUED ALL OF THE INPUT THAT WE HAVE
10:01:42AM GOTTEN FROM STAKEHOLDERS ACROSS THE COMMUNITY.
10:01:45AM IT IS REALLY BEEN GREAT TO SEE HOW MUCH PEOPLE CARE ABOUT
10:01:49AM THE COMMUNITY AND WANT TO INFLUENCE THE FUTURE.
10:01:56AM BECAUSE WE HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK IN THE LAST 30
10:02:00AM DAYS, WE WANT TO TAKE SOME TIME TO CONTINUE TO DIGEST THAT.
10:02:03AM SO JENNIFER WILL FOCUS ON THE CHANGES WE MADE SINCE WE WERE
10:02:10AM LAST BEFORE YOU.
10:02:11AM TURN IT OVER TO HER.
10:02:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU KNOW APPROXIMATELY HOW MUCH TIME
10:02:14AM YOU NEED FOR THIS TOTAL PRESENTATION, FIVE MINUTES, TEN
10:02:17AM MINUTES?
10:02:18AM >>MELISSA ZORNITTA: FIVE MINUTES AT THE MOST.
10:02:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MISS MALONE.
10:02:23AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: THANK YOU, COUNCIL, JENNIFER MALONE WITH
10:02:25AM YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
10:02:26AM I WILL QUICKLY GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE SLIDES.
10:02:28AM WE HAVE A PLACE TYPE CONCEPT WE PRESENTED ON JUNE 27.
10:02:32AM PRIORITIZE WHERE GROWTH SHOULD GO AND GETTING THE TOOLS IN
10:02:35AM THE PLAN FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.
10:02:36AM WE HAVE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA REVISIONS.
10:02:40AM SOME NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL POLICY LANGUAGE.
10:02:43AM A NEW STRUCTURE FOR THE FLOOR ARIA RATIO AND MIXED USE AND
10:02:48AM ENTIRE AREA OF BONUS PROGRAM.
10:02:50AM SINCE JUNE 28, AND THE FEEDBACK FROM THIS COUNCIL AND THE
10:02:55AM COMMUNITY, WE ARE PROPOSING TO REFRESH OUR FUTURE LAND USE
10:02:58AM CATEGORIES AND ALSO MADE CHANGES TO THE RESIDENTIAL-10
10:03:01AM BONUS.
10:03:04AM SO VERY QUICKLY, SOMETHING THAT AFTER JUNE 27, WE PUT OUR
10:03:07AM HEADS TOGETHER AND THOUGHT ABOUT HOW WE CAN MAKE THIS MORE
10:03:10AM SIMPLE.
10:03:11AM SO WE HEARD A LOT FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THESE -- THE
10:03:14AM CATEGORY CHANGES.
10:03:15AM SO I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT LENGTH ON JUNE 27, BUT
10:03:18AM COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35 DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN 35.
10:03:22AM IT MEANS 30.
10:03:23AM AND THEN WITH A BONUS, YOU CAN GET UP TO 35.
10:03:26AM SO THE PROPOSAL BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM COUNCIL IS
10:03:32AM TO RETAIN THE 30 IN THE CHAA.
10:03:36AM NO BONUS OPTIONS IN THE CHAA.
10:03:39AM OUTSIDE OF THE CHAA WILL BE A 35 BY RIGHT.
10:03:43AM OUTSIDE OF THE CHAA, UP TO A 70 OF THE BONUSES INCENTIVES WE
10:03:48AM HAVE PROPOSED IN THE PLAN.
10:03:49AM SO WE ARE ALSO SIMPLIFYING THE NAMES.
10:03:52AM AND WE ARE REFRESHING THE BONUS OPTIONS AND MAXIMUMS.
10:03:56AM ANOTHER CHANGE THAT WAS MADE AFTER JUNE 27 THAT WE PROPOSED
10:04:00AM AND GETTING FEEDBACK ON, DROPPING THE BONUS IN THE
10:04:04AM RESIDENTIAL-10 CATEGORY, ESPECIALLY ALONG THE TRANSIT READY
10:04:07AM CORRIDORS SINCE THAT IS A FOCUSED AREA THAT WE KNOW WE ARE
10:04:11AM TRYING TO INCENTIVIZE GROWTH.
10:04:12AM WORKING IN TANDEM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCEPT.
10:04:16AM AND ALLOWING TOWN HOMES IN THE R-10 AND MORE PLACES AND BOTH
10:04:20AM OF THESE ITEMS WE DISCUSSED ON JUNE 27.
10:04:22AM DURING THE SUMMER AFTER JUNE 27, WE HAD 11 MEETINGS WITH
10:04:27AM APPROXIMATELY 200 ATTENDEES.
10:04:29AM RECEIVED FEEDBACK FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS.
10:04:32AM THERE IS A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR THE BONUS TOOL AND THE
10:04:35AM STACKABLE BONUS STRUCTURE AS WELL AS THE UPDATES FROM THE
10:04:38AM FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY STRUCTURE AND OUR PEDESTRIAN
10:04:42AM ORIENTED DESIGN POLICIES.
10:04:43AM WE HEARD THAT EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS SHOULD BE PROTECTED.
10:04:46AM THERE ARE CONCERNS OF DEVELOPMENT IMPACTS ON NATURAL ASSETS
10:04:50AM AND QUALITY OF LIFE WHICH I AM SURE IS NOT A SURPRISE TO YOU
10:04:53AM ALL.
10:04:53AM WE DO NEED TO CALIBRATE TOOLS FOR TRANSIT BONUSES AND WE ARE
10:04:57AM GOING TO BE REVISITING THE MIXED PERCENTAGE AND FLOOR ARIA
10:05:04AM RATIO AND HOW THAT IS CALCULATED.
10:05:05AM BONUS FROM A LEED CERTIFICATION WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS RIGHT
10:05:11AM NOW.
10:05:11AM EXPLORING FOR OTHER WAYS FOR FOLKS TO GET THAT.
10:05:13AM NEW -- WE ARE LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL RESILIENCY COMPONENTS
10:05:19AM AND FURTHER IN THE FUTURE LAND USE SECTION.
10:05:22AM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS AN ENVIRONMENTAL ELECTION AND
10:05:26AM RECREATIONAL AND OPEN SPACE SECTION AS WELL AND I AM HEARING
10:05:29AM WE NEED TO EMPHASIZE THESE IN THE FUTURE LAND USE.
10:05:34AM REDAPTATION AND ADAPTIVE USE.
10:05:40AM AND TRYING TO MAKE IT MORE STREAMLINE.
10:05:42AM PERSPECTIVES ON THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREAS.
10:05:45AM YOU HAVE BEEN HEARING A LOT FROM ALL SIDES THAT THE
10:05:48AM PROHIBITION ON THE PLAN AMENDMENTS ARE TOO RESTRICTED.
10:05:51AM ENCOURAGING NUANCE AND RESILIENCY MEASURES.
10:05:54AM WE HEARD FROM SOME FOLKS THAT THE BALANCE IS RIGHT AND THE
10:05:56AM PROTECTION OF SAFETY IS PARAMOUNT.
10:05:59AM PLANNING COMMISSIONERS.
10:06:00AM WE BROUGHT THIS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, VARIOUS
10:06:03AM PERSPECTIVES.
10:06:03AM AS MELISSA ZORNITTA, WE ARE DIGESTING THAT AND TAKING IT ALL
10:06:08AM IN AND WILL COME BACK TO YOU WITH A RECOMMENDATION.
10:06:10AM TWEAKING THE HERITAGE NEIGHBORHOODS CONCEPT A LITTLE BIT AND
10:06:14AM LOOKING AT HOW THE BONUSING AND THE RESIDENTIAL CATEGORIES
10:06:18AM WORK SPECIFICALLY.
10:06:18AM SO WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO REVIEW ALL OF THE COMMENTS.
10:06:23AM WE ARE LOOKING TO BRING A DRAFT BACK IN -- OR HAVE ANOTHER
10:06:27AM DRAFT OUT BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
10:06:28AM AND PUT THIS THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS BUT SOME
10:06:33AM HEARINGS EARLY NEXT YEAR.
10:06:34AM I HOPE THAT WAS FIVE MINUTES.
10:06:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW MANY COPIES DO YOU HAVE OF THAT
10:06:42AM PRESENTATION.
10:06:42AM JUST A MASTER COPY?
10:06:44AM >> I HAVE THREE COPIES, FOUR COPIES TOTAL.
10:06:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN YOU LEAVE THEM WITH US.
10:06:49AM A FEW PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE MAY WANT TO SEE THEM SINCE THIS
10:06:52AM IS NEW INFORMATION.
10:06:53AM AGAIN, IT WASN'T FOUND ONLINE AND I PERHAPS WOULD LIKE TO
10:06:57AM MAKE MORE COPIES.
10:06:58AM I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS DID, BUT I DID RECEIVE
10:07:01AM CONCERNS OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SEE THE INFORMATION.
10:07:06AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: ABSOLUTELY.
10:07:07AM WE ARE ALSO HAPPY TO SEND YOU A COPY OF THE PRESENTATION VIA
10:07:10AM YOUR E-MAIL.
10:07:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF YOU CAN DO THAT, I CAN E-MAIL IT TO
10:07:13AM THE CONSTITUENTS.
10:07:15AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA HAD HIS MICROPHONE ON AND COUNCILMAN
10:07:18AM CLENDENIN.
10:07:19AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL THAT.
10:07:21AM AND SOMEWHERE IN THERE, DO WE HAVE NEW THINGS FOR THE
10:07:24AM ENVIRONMENT TO HELP SAVE THE WORLD?
10:07:27AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: I WILL TURN THAT QUESTION --
10:07:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT IS A QUESTION FOR YOU.
10:07:33AM >>JENNIFER MALONE: SHAWN COLLEGE MAY BE THE ONE TO BE ABLE
10:07:35AM TO ADDRESS THAT.
10:07:37AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND THAT.
10:07:38AM THINGS I SEE AND I AM SURE OTHERS SEE AND WE DON'T RECOGNIZE
10:07:42AM IT.
10:07:42AM WHEN YOU HAVE A HIGH WIND OR A SMALL HURRICANE OR A BIG ONE
10:07:47AM COMES THROUGH AND YOU HAVE A PROBLEM.
10:07:52AM TRAVEL THE COUNTRY AND LOOK HOW MANY TIMES THEY GET HIT BY A
10:07:57AM HURRICANE COMPARED TO US AND WE HAVE CONCRETE BLOCKS THE
10:08:00AM FIRST FLOOR.
10:08:00AM 90% OF THE TIME, IT IS ALL WOOD AND THE EAVE HANGING OUT
10:08:05AM WHERE THE WOOD CAN COME UNDER IT AND LIFT IT UP.
10:08:08AM ONCE THE EAVES ARE GONE, THE SECOND FLOOR COLLAPSES.
10:08:17AM IN OTHER COUNTRIES, THEY DON'T HAVE THAT.
10:08:19AM SECOND FLOOR AND IT IS ALL CONCRETE, INCLUDING THE ROOF.
10:08:22AM DONE WITH A LOT OF REBAR WIRE UNDER IT.
10:08:26AM THE WATER HITS AND ROLLS OFF.
10:08:28AM I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE DO IT DIFFERENTLY MAYBE BETTER
10:08:32AM THAN WHAT I HAVE SEEN.
10:08:33AM WHEN I GO TO THE FOREIGN COUNTRY WHAT GETS MESSED UP ARE THE
10:08:37AM FARMERS THAT LIVE IN SHACKS.
10:08:39AM BUT IN THE MAIN OF THE CITIES, THEY CAN WITHSTAND A
10:08:43AM HURRICANE.
10:08:43AM WE CAN'T.
10:08:48AM I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A WATER PROBLEM.
10:08:49AM AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE HE LIVE AT.
10:08:51AM I TRIED TO CHANGE THAT.
10:08:53AM BUT WE CAN'T CHANGE THE INCOMING TIDE AND HIGH TIDE WHEN IT
10:08:58AM RAINS AND BODY OF WATER BY WEIGHT IS GREATER COMING IN THAN
10:09:02AM GOING OUT.
10:09:02AM BECAUSE IT HITS IT AND GREATER WHERE IT CAME FROM.
10:09:06AM >>SHAWN COLLEGE: YES, COUNCIL.
10:09:07AM SHAWN COLLEGE, DIRECTOR OF STRATEGIC PLANNING AND
10:09:11AM ENVIRONMENTAL RESEARCH FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND
10:09:13AM SPECIALIZE IN AREA OF ENVIRONMENTAL MITIGATION AND EMERGENCY
10:09:17AM MANAGEMENT.
10:09:17AM YES, WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL THOSE ISSUES OF EMERGENCY
10:09:21AM MANAGEMENT, CECILE LEN SEE, CLIMATE CHANGE, SEA LEVEL RISE.
10:09:25AM THEY ARE VERY IMPORTANT.
10:09:26AM COASTAL MANAGEMENT ELEMENT THE SAME TIME AS THE FUTURE LAND
10:09:30AM USE ELEMENT PAUSE THEY ARE INTRINSICALLY DECLINED.
10:09:38AM WE ARE LOOKING FOR SUPPORT IN DEALING WITH THESE ISSUES IN
10:09:42AM THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT.
10:09:44AM AS MENTIONED COASTAL A HAZARD AREA IS ADDRESSED IN THE
10:09:48AM FUTURE LAND USE AMOUNT.
10:09:50AM I TELL YOU THAT WE HAVE A GREAT PROPOSAL AND THE RESEARCH
10:09:55AM DONE BY THE ACTION PLAN SHOW THAT MOST JURORS DING DO NOT
10:09:58AM ALLOW INCREASES OF RESIDENTIAL DENSITY IN THEIR COASTAL HIGH
10:10:02AM HAZARD AREA.
10:10:03AM WE ARE PROPOSING -- AND RIGHT NOW YOUR COMP PLAN HAS NO NET
10:10:07AM INCREASE.
10:10:08AM WE ARE PROPOSING, I THINK, A BALANCED APPROACH.
10:10:14AM NOT EVERYBODY IS HAPPY.
10:10:16AM VARIED OPINIONS.
10:10:17AM SOME PEOPLE WANT IT TO BE MORE LIBERAL.
10:10:19AM SOME PEOPLE WANT IT TO BE MORE CONSERVATIVE OF HOW YOU ALLOW
10:10:22AM DEVELOPMENT.
10:10:22AM WING WE HAVE A BALANCED APPROACH IN OUR PROPOSAL WITH SOME
10:10:26AM LIMITED AREAS, PARTICULARLY IN -- YOU KNOW, LIMITED AREAS
10:10:31AM WHERE IT WOULD BE PERMISSIBLE TO ASK FOR INCREASES IN
10:10:35AM DENSITY.
10:10:35AM YES, WE ARE ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES.
10:10:38AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: BOTH SIDES ARE NOT HAPPY, IT IS A GOOD
10:10:40AM ONE.
10:10:40AM >>SHAWN COLLEGE: EXACTLY.
10:10:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:10:46AM AN COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
10:10:48AM DON'T FORGET ABOUT THE FIVE-MINUTE TIME LIMIT.
10:10:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I NEVER USE MY FIVE MINUTES.
10:10:52AM I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF
10:10:56AM FOR, ONE, LISTENING.
10:10:57AM WHAT YOU ARE WORKING ON WITH FUTURE LAND USE.
10:10:59AM I THINK THE RESIDENTS NEED TO KNOW THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE
10:11:02AM FIRST TIME THIS PLAN REALLY RECOGNIZED THAT WE HAVE BUILDING
10:11:05AM TAMPA, NOT JUST FOR FUTURE GROWTH, BUT ALSO THE PEOPLE WHO
10:11:09AM CURRENTLY LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:11:11AM IT RECOGNIZES THE IMPORTANT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE
10:11:14AM PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE AND INVESTED IN TAMPA AND HAVE THEIR
10:11:17AM KID THERE.
10:11:18AM AT THE SAME TIME, WE ARE TRYING TO BUILD SMART IN AREAS THAT
10:11:21AM MAKE SENSE.
10:11:22AM AND BUILD THAT DENSITY IN AREAS THAT MAKE SENSE AND RESTRICT
10:11:26AM IT IN AREAS THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE.
10:11:28AM IT IS INJECTING A LOT OF COMMON SENSE.
10:11:31AM UP APPRECIATE TAKING THE INPUT FROM THE LAST MEETING AND
10:11:34AM WORKING WITH US ON THAT.
10:11:35AM I THINK -- OF COURSE, THESE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE WORKS IN
10:11:38AM PROGRESS AND I AM SURE THEY WILL BE TWEAKING ALONG THE WAY,
10:11:41AM BUT A GOOD JOB.
10:11:42AM AND THANK YOU BEING RESPONSIBLE.
10:11:53AM AND THANK YOU.
10:11:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:11:56AM COUNCILMAN VIERA, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK?
10:11:58AM NO?
10:11:59AM WE APPRECIATE IT.
10:12:00AM IF YOU CAN LEAVE THOSE COPIES, I WILL PASS THEM OUT FOR
10:12:03AM FOLKS HERE.
10:12:04AM IF YOU CAN E-MAIL IT AS WELL, I CAN SEND IT OUT TO THE
10:12:07AM CONSTITUENCY.
10:12:08AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:12:10AM AT THIS TIME, A MOTION TO OPEN UP THE 10:00 PUBLIC HEARINGS.
10:12:13AM MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
10:12:14AM SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:12:17AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
10:12:18AM OPPOSED.
10:12:19AM NONQUASI-JUDICIAL, THE FIRST TWO.
10:12:22AM WE WILL NOT SWEAR ANYBODY IN UNTIL.
10:12:31AM ITEM NUMBER 57.
10:12:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. CHAIR, I WAS ABSENT BUT I DID WATCH
10:12:36AM THE FIRST HEARING SO UP TO SPEED AND READY TO VOTE ON THIS.
10:12:45AM >>ROSS SAMONS: ROSS SAMONS.
10:12:49AM ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
10:12:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SAMONS.
10:12:57AM NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
10:12:59AM WE ARE PRETTY CLEAR TODAY.
10:13:00AM WHO IS NEXT?
10:13:02AM YES, MR. COLLINS, COME ON UP.
10:13:04AM >>DANNY COLLINS: GOOD MORNING, DANNY COLLINS WITH YOUR
10:13:06AM PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
10:13:07AM SECOND READING FOR IF THE FUTURE MAP AMENDMENT AT PROPERTIES
10:13:18AM 8814 NORTH 14th STREET AND 8813 AND 88 --
10:13:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 34th AND 35th STREET.
10:13:27AM THIS SAYS 57.
10:13:29AM WE HAVE A 57.
10:13:43AM COME ON.
10:13:44AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:13:48AM ALEX SCHALER, NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
10:13:51AM FIRST READING APPROVAL BACK IN AUGUST, AND I RESPECTFULLY
10:13:54AM REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL THIS MORNING AS WELL.
10:13:56AM I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF
10:13:59AM NEEDED.
10:13:59AM THANKS.
10:13:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
10:14:01AM ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM 57?
10:14:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION TO CLOSE.
10:14:06AM >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND.
10:14:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:14:09AM I AM SORRY, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:14:12AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
10:14:13AM I MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
10:14:20AM ADOPTION, ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATE,
10:14:23AM CLOSING OR DISCONTINUING A PORTION OF 4th AVENUE
10:14:27AM RIGHT-OF-WAY LOCATED NORTH OF THIRD AVENUE SOUTH OF CSX
10:14:31AM RAILROAD, EAST OF 34th STREET AND WEST OF 35th STREET WITHIN
10:14:34AM THE PLAT OF EAST BAY PARK.
10:14:36AM SECOND REVISION.
10:14:37AM A SUBDIVISION OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY,
10:14:40AM FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY -- MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN
10:14:44AM SECTION 2 HEAROF, AND BRICK STREETS LYING IN SAID
10:14:52AM RIGHT-OF-WAY BOTH SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS AND
10:14:54AM RESTRICTIONS AS SET FORTH AND PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND
10:14:59AM PENALTY FOR VIOLATIONS, PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, REPEALING
10:15:04AM CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY.
10:15:06AM PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:15:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:15:10AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
10:15:11AM PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:15:15AM SECOND --
10:15:19AM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA VOTING NO.
10:15:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOW WE GO TO ITEM 58.
10:15:28AM >>DANNY COLLINS: DANNY COLLINS, AGAIN, WITH YOUR PLANNING
10:15:31AM COMMISSION STAFF.
10:15:32AM SECOND READING FOR TA/CPA 24-03 FOR 0891 NORTH 13th STREET,
10:15:42AM 8814 NORTH 14th STREET AND 8813 AND 8820 NORTH BROOKS FEET
10:15:48AM FROM RESIDENTIAL-10 TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
10:15:50AM FIRST APPROVED ON FIRST READING AUGUST 29.
10:15:53AM AND BACK FOR SECOND READING.
10:15:55AM THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
10:15:56AM WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
10:15:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. MA HAS IN SEE.
10:16:01AM >> RYAN MANASSE.
10:16:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
10:16:15AM CLENDENIN AND MIRANDA.
10:16:15AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
10:16:16AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:16:17AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
10:16:18AM NUMBER 58, TA/CPA 24.033 FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION
10:16:26AM ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND
10:16:30AM USE ELEMENT 8901 NORTH 13th STREET AND 8813th AND 8820 NORTH
10:16:38AM BROOK STREET FOR RESIDENTIAL.
10:16:40AM FROM RESIDENTIAL-10 TO R-10 TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL,LI PROVIDING
10:16:45AM FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES AND PROVIDING FOR SEVERABLE.
10:16:50AM AND PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:17:10AM >>DANNY COLLINS: WITH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF FOR
10:17:14AM PROPERTIES NORTHWEST OF NORTH MASSACHUSETTS AVENUE AND WEST
10:17:17AM BROAD RICK STREET.
10:17:19AM THE WHERE THE TO CHANGE THE FROM RESIDENTIAL-10 TO
10:17:25AM RESIDENTIAL-20.
10:17:26AM PRESENTED ON FIRST READING AUGUST 29 AND BACK BEFORE YOU FOR
10:17:29AM SECOND READING.
10:17:30AM THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT.
10:17:38AM ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK.
10:17:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION TO CLOSE.
10:17:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON 59.
10:17:49AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I MOVE TA/CPA 24-09, ORDINANCE AMENDING
10:17:57AM THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE, FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT AND LAND
10:18:01AM USE MAP FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED NORTHWEST OF THE
10:18:03AM INTERSECTION OF NORTH MASSACHUSETTS AVENUE AND BEST BRADDOCK
10:18:08AM STREET FOLIO NUMBER 182406-0005 FROM RESIDENTIAL-10, R-10 TO
10:18:19AM RESIDENTIAL-20, R-20, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ORDINANCES
10:18:23AM PROVIDING SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:18:32AM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH HURTAK BEING ABSENT
10:18:36AM AT VOTE.
10:18:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:18:39AM ITEM 60.
10:18:40AM >>DANNY COLLINS: DANNY COLLINS WITH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION
10:18:43AM STAFF OF SECOND READING FOR TA/CPA 24-10.
10:18:48AM LOCATED 2101 WEST MAIN STREET TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE
10:18:53AM DESIGNATION FROM COMMERCIAL 35 TO RECREATIONAL/OPEN SPACE.
10:18:59AM IT WAS BEFORE YOU ON THE 29th AND BACK FOR SECOND READING.
10:19:04AM I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
10:19:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. COLLINS?
10:19:09AM NO?
10:19:10AM ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
10:19:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION TO CLOSE.
10:19:14AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
10:19:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
10:19:17AM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN, MIND READING ITEM NUMBER 60.
10:19:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MOVE FILE NUMBER TA/CPA 24-10, ORDINANCE
10:19:25AM ON SECOND READING ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE
10:19:29AM FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THE
10:19:33AM PROPERTY 101 WEST MAIN STREET FROM COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL
10:19:38AM 35, CC-35 TO RECREATIONAL/OPEN SPACE, R/OS.
10:19:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
10:19:53AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:19:56AM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH HURTAK BEING
10:19:59AM ABSENT.
10:20:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 10:30 PUBLIC HEARINGS.
10:20:04AM 1:30 THAT WE CAN'T GET TO.
10:20:07AM CAN WE TAKE ITEM NUMBER 66?
10:20:17AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS THIS GOING TO BE A PRESENTATION
10:20:19AM IF NOT -- I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WILL DO A PRESENTATION FOR
10:20:23AM 66.
10:20:23AM IF SOMETHING CAN BE DONE UNDER STAFF REPORT, WE CAN ASK IF
10:20:28AM ANYBODY IS PRESENT FOR STAFF REPORT.
10:20:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE WILL PASS ON 66.
10:20:31AM A COUPLE OF STAFF REPORTS DOES A STAFF WANT TO TAKE A
10:20:39AM TEN-MINUTE RECESS.
10:20:39AM LET'S DO A TEN-MINUTE RECESS AND WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL 10:30
10:20:43AM LEGALLY.
10:20:44AM WE ARE IN RECESS UNTIL 10:30.
10:20:46AM
10:31:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELCOME BACK TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
10:31:33AM ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
10:31:34AM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
10:31:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
10:31:40AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT.
10:31:42AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
10:31:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
10:31:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HURTAK IS HERE.
10:31:47AM >>CLERK: WE HAVE A QUORUM.
10:31:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FYI, WE WILL BREAK FOR LUNCH AT 12:00 SO
10:31:55AM YOU KNOW.
10:31:55AM WE WILL HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN THE 10:30 PUBLIC HEARINGS.
10:31:58AM A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:32:01AM OPPOSED?
10:32:03AM ALL RIGHT.
10:32:03AM ITEM NUMBER 61 FOLLOWED BY 47.
10:32:11AM WE WILL DO 61 AFTER 47.
10:32:13AM >>REBECCA JOHNS: REBECCA JOHNS, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
10:32:16AM THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PINEWOOD DEVELOPMENT
10:32:19AM AGREEMENT.
10:32:19AM YOU RECEIVED A SUBSTITUTE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
10:32:23AM PURSUANT TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE FIRST HEARING.
10:32:24AM WE ADDED A PARKING PLAN AS AN EXHIBIT AND WE SWAPPED OUT THE
10:32:29AM EXHIBIT FOR THE PARK TO BE THE SAME EXHIBIT THAT WAS
10:32:32AM PRESENTED TO YOU BY THE DEVELOPER AT THE FIRST PUBLIC
10:32:35AM HEARING.
10:32:35AM I WILL NOW TURN IT OVER TO THE DEVELOPER.
10:32:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:32:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU FIRST.
10:32:43AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA REFERENCE IT EARLIER, BUT WE RECEIVED A
10:32:46AM LET FROM THE BASE YESTERDAY SAYING THAT -- THAT THERE SHOULD
10:32:50AM BE NO DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA.
10:32:55AM >>MELISSA JONES: I WILL LET MISS FEELEY HANDLE THAT.
10:32:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I RECEIVED IT TOO.
10:32:59AM I THINK IT WENT TO EVERYBODY.
10:33:00AM MISS FEELEY.
10:33:01AM IF WE CAN GET A COPY OF THAT E-MAIL PUT INTO THE RECORD.
10:33:04AM I WILL HAVE MY -- YOU WANT MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE TO PRINT IT
10:33:09AM UP.
10:33:09AM IF MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE WILL PRINT UP THE COPY OF THE LETTER
10:33:14AM FROM THE AIR FORCE BASE.
10:33:15AM YOU ALREADY HAVE IT?
10:33:17AM WE WILL PUT IT IN THE RECORD.
10:33:19AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: GOOD MORNING, ABBYE FEELEY, INTERIM DIRECTOR
10:33:22AM OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
10:33:25AM I REVIEW THE LETTER THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE BASE.
10:33:28AM I HAVE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH MR. RODRIGUEZ.
10:33:31AM I DID JUST WANT TO GO OVER -- I HAVE AN AERIAL.
10:33:39AM AND ALSO BEFORE WE LOOK MORE CLOSELY AT THAT AERIAL, I WOULD
10:33:43AM LIKE TO TALK JUST ABOUT THE AQs WHICH IS REFERENCED IN THAT
10:33:51AM LETTER.
10:33:51AM YOU SEE HERE IN PINK.
10:33:53AM AQ 1 AND 2.
10:33:55AM YOU WILL SEE WE HAVE TWO LARGE PARKS, GADSDEN AND ALSO THE
10:34:01AM MacDILL PARK THAT COMES THROUGH.
10:34:03AM GOING TO THIS, YOU WILL SEE THE TRAIL THAT COMES HERE AND
10:34:09AM LOGICALLY ENDS UP AT PINEWOOD.
10:34:11AM THIS HAS BEEN IN THE CITY'S MASTER PLAN FOR GREENWAYS AND
10:34:14AM TRAILS SINCE 2001 SINCE BEFORE WE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY.
10:34:18AM IT WAS TO BE A TRAILHEAD.
10:34:22AM AND THAT IS -- I THINK IN THAT LETTER IT REFERENCED
10:34:26AM PAVILIONS AND OTHER ACTIVITY GOING TO TAKE PLACE THAT WAS
10:34:29AM NOT TAKING PLACE HERE.
10:34:30AM IT WOULD BE A TRAIL SIMILAR TO THIS, AS WELL AS A FEW
10:34:36AM BENCHES.
10:34:37AM I BELIEVE THREE OR FOUR BENCHES, BENCHES THAT HOLD THREE OR
10:34:43AM FOUR EACH.
10:34:45AM AND THE INDICATION THIS WILL BE ACCUMULATIONS PEOPLE IN THIS
10:34:50AM PASSIVE PARK, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS THE INTENT OF THAT.
10:34:53AM THAT BEING STATED, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
10:34:56AM LET MacDILL SPEAK TO THAT.
10:34:58AM THE DEVELOPER AS WELL.
10:34:59AM THIS THE DISCRETION OF COUNCIL, THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL
10:35:03AM WHETHER OR NOT THAT AGREEMENT.
10:35:05AM WE HAVE LOOKED AT THE GRANT UNDER WHICH WE PURCHASED IT.
10:35:09AM IT DID NOT SAY THERE COULD NOT BE ANY DEVELOPMENT.
10:35:11AM IT WAS PURCHASED TO BE A PARK.
10:35:13AM SO WE ARE FOLLOWING THAT INTENT AS WE PURCHASED IN '05 AND
10:35:20AM PUT IN THE MASTER PLAN IN 2001.
10:35:22AM I AM NOT SURE IF TONY MULKEY IS EITHER ON THE LINE OR HERE
10:35:26AM TODAY, BUT THAT IS THE INFORMATION I HAVE TO SHARE.
10:35:28AM ONE OTHER THING.
10:35:29AM I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.
10:35:32AM I DIDN'T MENTION THIS.
10:35:33AM I HAVE -- THIS IS MacDILL'S VISITOR CENTER WHERE THERE ARE A
10:35:37AM LOT OF PEOPLE AND PARKING THERE.
10:35:38AM THAT ALSO IS IN THE CLEAR ZONE AREA.
10:35:42AM SO I AM A LITTLE CONFUSED BY WHERE THE CONVERSATION IS
10:35:47AM COMING FROM.
10:35:47AM I AM HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO HAVE IT.
10:35:49AM BUT I WILL LET THE DEVELOPER SPEAK, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT
10:35:53AM THE DEVELOPER HAD A NUMBER OF MEETINGS WITH THE BASE WHEN
10:35:58AM THEY FIRST APPROACHED THIS CONCEPT AND THE BASE WAS, IN
10:36:02AM FACT, IN SUPPORT.
10:36:02AM SO I AM JUST TRYING TO PUT THE PIECES TOGETHER THIS MORNING.
10:36:06AM BUT HAPPY TO TALK FURTHER.
10:36:07AM JUST WANTED TO SHEAR THAT INFORMATION.
10:36:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
10:36:10AM THEN COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:36:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MISS FEELEY, CAN YOU THROW THE MAP OF THE
10:36:15AM CLEAR ZONE ON THERE AGAIN FOR US.
10:36:18AM THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER TOWER -- I AM CONFUSED ABOUT THIS
10:36:25AM AS WELL.
10:36:26AM CAN YOU POINT ON THE MAP WHERE THIS PROPOSED PARK IS?
10:36:30AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: SURE.
10:36:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AND I GUESS -- AND WITH THE OTHER -- THE
10:36:37AM OTHER EXAMPLES OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
10:36:39AM AS YOU POINTED OUT THE VISITORS CENTER AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
10:36:42AM WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION ON BE THIS -- ON
10:36:45AM THIS PARCEL.
10:36:46AM YOU KNOW, THERE IS NOTHING -- WE ARE NOT PUTTING A TWO-STORY
10:36:52AM OR THREE-STORY BUILDING ON HERE.
10:36:54AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: NO.
10:36:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM CONFUSED OF THE E-MAIL.
10:36:56AM I DON'T KNOW LEAVING IT WILDERNESS HOW MUCH LOWER DENSITY
10:37:01AM THAT YOU CAN GET OTHER THAN WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING.
10:37:04AM VERY GOOD.
10:37:04AM THANK YOU.
10:37:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:37:07AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WONDER.
10:37:08AM IF I CAN ASK LEGAL, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE SEEN THIS
10:37:11AM KIND OF NOTE ON A FILE.
10:37:12AM ANY KIND OF FEDERAL LAW OR DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE REGULATIONS
10:37:16AM THAT WOULD SUPERSEDE ANY OF OUR ZONING CODES OR
10:37:21AM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN?
10:37:24AM AND THEN SEPARATELY, I WONDER IF -- IF STAFF HAD TIME TO
10:37:28AM TALK TO MacDILL AND WHETHER WE SHOULD ALLOW THOSE
10:37:31AM DISCUSSIONS TO GO FORWARD BEFORE WE -- BEFORE WE MOVE
10:37:34AM FORWARD.
10:37:34AM SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT RESTRICTIONS ARE, WHAT DEFERENCE WE
10:37:40AM SHOULD MAKE TO MacDILL.
10:37:42AM >>REBECCA JOHNS: I CAN ANSWER THE FIRST QUESTION, NOT A
10:37:45AM FEDERAL LAW TO WOULD PROHIBIT A PARK OR A PARKING LOT TO BE
10:37:51AM THERE.
10:37:51AM AS FAR AS THE MacDILL STAFF, WE WILL --
10:37:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN WE MUTE THAT?
10:37:58AM MR. MULKEY, PLEASE MUTE YOURSELF UNTIL WE CALL ON YOU.
10:38:01AM >> GOOD MORNING, ADDIE CLARK, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE ON
10:38:06AM BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPER.
10:38:07AM I WANT TO TOUCH ON WHAT ABBY HAD SAID.
10:38:10AM SHE IS EXACTLY RIGHT, WHEN THE GRANT WAS DONE IN 2005, THIS
10:38:14AM PIECE OF PROPERTY WAS ALWAYS CONSIDERED TO BE A TRAILHEAD.
10:38:18AM SO I HAVE THE -- I HAVE THE RESOLUTION HERE.
10:38:21AM IF I CAN HAVE THE ELMO.
10:38:24AM PERFECT.
10:38:25AM SO THIS IS THE RESOLUTION.
10:38:27AM I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF ZOOM INTO THIS PARAGRAPH
10:38:31AM SPECIFICALLY.
10:38:31AM SO TALKING ABOUT HOW THE -- HOW THE ACQUISITION OF THE LAND
10:38:35AM WOULD PRESERVE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY
10:38:38AM AND ENJOYED BY THE PUBLIC THROUGH THE USE OF THE GREENWAY
10:38:42AM TRAILS AND PARKS -- OR GREENWAYS AND TRAILS.
10:38:44AM THE CITY WILL BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THE TYPE OF GRANTS AND
10:38:47AM FUNDS TO DEVELOP IT FOR LOW DENSITY RECREATIONAL USES.
10:38:52AM THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS ALWAYS CONSIDERED AND IS, IN
10:38:55AM FACT, STILL THE INTENT TODAY.
10:38:56AM AS DISCUSSED, WE ARE NOT PUTTING ANY SORT OF VERTICAL
10:38:59AM STRUCTURE SUCH AS PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, PAVILION, ANYTHING
10:39:04AM THAT WOULD PROHIBIT, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF HIGH ACTIVITY
10:39:08AM AREA IN THIS LOCATION.
10:39:09AM THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE DISCUSSIONS WITH MacDILL AND KNOWING
10:39:12AM THE SEVERE REGULATIONS IN THIS AREA.
10:39:15AM I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.
10:39:18AM AND I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
10:39:20AM I HAVE THE DEVELOPER HERE WHO CAN SPEAK WITH HIS
10:39:22AM CONVERSATION WITH THE BASE, DATING ALL THE WAY BACK WITH THE
10:39:27AM FIRST REZONING OF THE HOTEL OCCURRED BACK IN 2022.
10:39:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:39:31AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:39:33AM AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:39:34AM >>BILL CARLSON: IN THE LETTER.
10:39:35AM HAVE YOU SEEN A COPY, THE E-MAIL THAT WAS SENT?
10:39:38AM >> WE WERE NOT SENT THE INITIAL E-MAIL.
10:39:40AM >>BILL CARLSON: BUT SAYS IN THERE SPECIFICALLY THEY OBJECT
10:39:42AM TO A PARKING LOT ALSO.
10:39:43AM AND SO -- JUST -- MAYBE WHAT YOUR RESPONSE IS AND WHAT LEGAL
10:39:50AM AND STAFF'S RESPONSE IS TO THAT PART AS WELL.
10:39:53AM >> SURE.
10:39:54AM SO WITH THE PARK, IN ORDER TO HAVE THIS PASSIVE TRAILHEAD
10:39:59AM AREA THAT WAS CONTEMPLATED BACK IN THE GRANT, PARKING IS
10:40:04AM NEEDED FOR THAT USE.
10:40:06AM OF COURSE WE DON'T EXPECT THE PARKING TO BE FILLED 100% OF
10:40:09AM THE TIME, BUT THAT IS THERE.
10:40:10AM AND ALSO KIND OF WANTED TO PUT UP THIS AERIAL SO YOU CAN
10:40:16AM SEE, THERE ARE LOCATIONS AROUND -- HE BELIEVE THE VISITOR
10:40:18AM CENTER IS LOCATED WITHIN THAT AREA.
10:40:20AM ALSO A SELF-STORAGE.
10:40:22AM AND WE ARE -- WE ARE NOT -- WE ARE ACTIVELY TRYING NOT TO
10:40:26AM PUT PEOPLE IN HARM'S WAY BUT WE KNOW THAT PARKING IS
10:40:28AM REQUIRED FOR THIS USE.
10:40:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:40:34AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LISTENING TO BOTH SIDES, I THINK THIS IS
10:40:37AM ON SECOND READING.
10:40:38AM AND I WOULD APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH IF WE ASK MacDILL TO
10:40:43AM COME AND MEET WITH THE DEVELOPER, WHATEVER, TO HAVE
10:40:48AM AN AMICABLE WORKING RELATION.
10:40:50AM WE HAD A FANTASTIC PARTNER IN MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE.
10:40:54AM SOMETHING YOU DO TODAY MAY 15 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN LOOKING AT
10:40:58AM BASE CLOSURES OR SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW.
10:41:00AM I AM JUST SAYING THAT IT IT'S -- WHEN MacDILL SENDS A
10:41:05AM LETTER, I AM SURE THAT MR. JAMES RODRIGUEZ, CTR -- OF
10:41:11AM WHAT, AMC MEANS.
10:41:12AM SOMEBODY HAD ASKED HIM TO WRITE A LETTER OR HE ASKED
10:41:15AM SOMEBODY FOR PERMISSION TO WRITE A LETTER.
10:41:18AM MORE THAN JUST ONE INDIVIDUAL WRITING A LETTER.
10:41:23AM FROM SOMEBODY ELSE.
10:41:24AM I WOULD LIKE TO GET THAT CLEARED UP BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE.
10:41:26AM I DON'T WANT TO IN ANYWAY JEOPARDIZE YOUR PLANS AND YOUR
10:41:30AM DEVELOPMENT, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO JEOPARDIZE OUR
10:41:33AM RELATIONSHIP WITH MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE.
10:41:36AM >> DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND.
10:41:38AM AND I HAVE BRIAN FUNK WHO CAN TALK OF THE CONVERSATIONS HE
10:41:41AM HAD WITH MacDILL OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
10:41:43AM >> GOOD WRONG, BRIAN FUNK, DEVELOPER.
10:41:45AM SPEAKING TO THIS, THE LETTER -- I FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS 15
10:41:49AM MINUTES AGO.
10:41:49AM WE MADE OURSELVES AVAILABLE TO THE BASE.
10:41:51AM I AM NOT SURE WHAT THE PROBLEM IS, ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVE
10:41:55AM SEEN OF SCREENSHOT FROM THE E-MAIL A WEEK AND A HALF, BUT
10:41:59AM THE LINE OF THE BASIS OF THIS CONVERSATION IS INCORRECT.
10:42:01AM THE LINE DEPICTED IN AN IMAGE THAT I DON'T HAVE I WASN'T
10:42:05AM INCLUDED IN THE E-MAIL CHAIN IS 100 FEET TO THE WEST.
10:42:08AM WE ESTABLISHED THAT TO THE BASE.
10:42:09AM E-MAIL FROM 2022, AMY DOY, DIRECTOR OF THE SIXTH CIVIL
10:42:16AM ENGINEERING SQUADRON AND HAD NO PROBLEM WITH THE BUILDING
10:42:20AM HEIGHTS UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE WHICH CAN GO TO 79 FEET.
10:42:22AM I FIND IT KIND OF CURIOUS THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE
10:42:25AM MARGINAL EFFECT OF THE PARKING LOT AND A PARK.
10:42:28AM THE FEDERAL GUIDELINES, I DON'T HAVE BECAUSE I WASN'T
10:42:32AM PREPARED BECAUSE WE JUST FOUND IT.
10:42:33AM DO ALLOW FOR THIS.
10:42:35AM TRUTH BE KNOWN, YOU PUT THE CLEAR LINE IN THE CORRECT PLACE
10:42:38AM AS INCORRECTLY PLACE ALL THE IMAGES AND EXHIBITS, INCLUDING
10:42:41AM THE ATTACHMENTS TO THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT AND THE LEASE.
10:42:45AM SIMPLY PULL OUT THE AIM MANAGE THEY ARE REFERENCING, THEY
10:42:50AM ARE IN THE WRONG PLACE.
10:42:51AM THEY ARE INCORRECT IN THE ESTABLISHMENT OF LINE.
10:42:53AM WE SPECIFICALLY STAYED AHEAD OF THIS.
10:42:55AM NO PARKING IN THE CLEAR SCENE ANYWAY.
10:42:58AM IF YOU TAKE -- THE PREMISE IS FLAWED, THEREFORE THE
10:43:01AM CONCLUSION IS FT. LAUDERDALE.
10:43:03AM IF THEY TOOK THE TIME AND NOT WAIT UNTIL THE LAST MEN TO
10:43:07AM CONTACT US, I AM HOPEFUL THAT PEOPLE FROM THE BASE WILL
10:43:11AM REACH OUT AND GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS BECAUSE SEEMS VERY
10:43:14AM LATE AND KIND OF CURIOUS.
10:43:15AM SO ANYWAY.
10:43:16AM BUT I DO HAVE ALL THE OTHER INFORMATION BUT REQUESTED LAST
10:43:20AM TIME REGARDING TAXES AND.
10:43:24AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I AM NOT HERE TO
10:43:27AM JUDGE YOU, SIR OR ANYBODY ELSE.
10:43:29AM BUT I'M HERE TO REPRESENT YOURSELF AND MacDILL AND THE
10:43:32AM PUBLIC ALL AT ONCE.
10:43:33AM >> I THINK YOU WILL FIND US WITHIN THE LATITUDE AND WE WILL
10:43:36AM HAVE TO HAMSTER OUT WITH THEM AND BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU.
10:43:42AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO ASK, ONCE WE GET THIS, IT HAS
10:43:46AM GOT TO BE LOOKED AT.
10:43:48AM THIS IS MY OPINION.
10:43:49AM >> UNDERSTOOD.
10:43:50AM IT IS GOING TO BE GREAT.
10:43:52AM I UNDERSTAND.
10:43:53AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE TO MEET WITH YOU,
10:43:58AM US.
10:43:58AM WE CAN'T GET INVOLVED WITH THE CONVERSATION -- I WOULD
10:44:02AM APPRECIATE IF YOU CONTACT THIS GENTLEMAN HERE, JAMES A.
10:44:06AM RODRIGUEZ.
10:44:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HE IS HERE.
10:44:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S WHAT -- I PUT MY ON, I WOULD LIKE
10:44:13AM MacDILL TO --
10:44:16AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I RETRACT EVERYTHING I SAID BECAUSE HE IS
10:44:19AM HERE.
10:44:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. RODRIGUEZ, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME
10:44:22AM UP.
10:44:23AM WELL, WHEN YOU COME UP, I WILL ASK THE QUESTIONS.
10:44:28AM ARE YOU TONY RODRIGUEZ, THE AUTHOR OF THIS E-MAIL?
10:44:32AM >> I AM, SIR.
10:44:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:44:35AM >> I AM TONY RODRIGUEZ.
10:44:37AM I AM THE PORTFOLIO OPTIMIZATION MANAGER WITH MacDILL AIR
10:44:44AM FORCE BASE.
10:44:44AM WE -- WE JUST FOUND OUT THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS
10:44:50AM HAPPENING DURING THE FIRST READING.
10:44:52AM WE WERE NOT NOTIFIED OF IT.
10:44:54AM AS A MATTER OF FACT, I WAS WITH THE CITY STAFF MEMBER.
10:44:57AM AND THEY LITERALLY HELD UP THEIR CELL PHONE AND SAID CITY
10:45:02AM COUNCIL IS DISCUSS THIS RIGHT NOW.
10:45:04AM WE WERE NOT NOTIFIED OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT GOING
10:45:07AM FORWARD.
10:45:07AM SO WE ARE NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE SECOND HOTEL ON -- ON
10:45:13AM THEIR SITE.
10:45:13AM TO GO BACK TO 2022, MacDILL COORDINATED WITH MR. FUNK AND
10:45:20AM HIS LEGAL TEAM ON THE SIX-STORY HOTEL, WHICH IS ON THE
10:45:27AM WESTERN SIDE OF THE PARCEL -- OF THEIR PARCEL.
10:45:30AM WE YET TO HAVE ANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE FIVE-STORY HOTEL ON
10:45:36AM THE EAST SIDE OF THEIR PARCEL.
10:45:39AM WE WILL -- DUE TO THE MANAGE SURFACES, WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN
10:45:45AM ANALYSIS THAT THAT FIVE-STORY WILL BE CLEAR.
10:45:48AM I RESPECTIVE OF THAT.
10:45:49AM DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
10:45:52AM I PUT UP HERE ON THE ELMO, ACCORDING TO OUR GIS STAFF AT
10:45:58AM MacDILL, THE ORANGE LINE IS WHERE THE CLEAR ZONE LINE RUNS
10:46:03AM THROUGH THE CITY'S PARCEL.
10:46:05AM NOW TO THE -- TO THE EAST SIDE OF THAT LINE, THAT IS WITHIN
10:46:08AM THE CLEAR ZONE.
10:46:09AM AND THE -- AND THE OTHER WHICH IS PRIMARILY PARKING LOT,
10:46:14AM THAT THE PROPOSED PARKING LOT WHICH IS SHOWN THERE.
10:46:17AM NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
10:46:18AM YOU CAN HAVE A PARKING LOT OUT THERE.
10:46:20AM BUT WE HAVE THE -- I REFERENCED IT IN THE MEMO, THE ACU
10:46:27AM STUDY WHICH IS OUR NOISE AND LAND USE STUDY THAT WE DO EVERY
10:46:31AM -- EVERY MILITARY MISSION -- EVERY MILITARY WITH A FLYING
10:46:36AM MISSION HAS A STUDY.
10:46:38AM AND CITY STAFF COORDINATED WITH THIS TO PRODUCE THIS
10:46:42AM DOCUMENT.
10:46:42AM THIS WAS FINALIZED IN OCTOBER 2023.
10:46:45AM CITY STAFF WAS THERE FOR THAT.
10:46:47AM WITHIN THAT, THERE IS A LAND USE TABLE BACK IN APPENDIX A
10:46:54AM THAT THE AIR FORCE RECOMMENDS TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT OF
10:46:57AM COMPATIBLE AND INCOMPATIBLE LAND USES WITHIN THE CLEAR ZONE,
10:47:02AM ACCIDENT POTENTIAL ZONE ONE AND TWO.
10:47:04AM FOR THE CLEAR ZONE, OUR RECOMMENDATION TO CITY GOVERNMENT
10:47:09AM THAT DO YOU NOT HAVE PARKS.
10:47:10AM AND DO YOU NOT HAVE PARKING LOTS WITHIN A CLEAR ZONE.
10:47:14AM WE TRY TO KEEP THE CLEAR ZONE CLEAR BECAUSE THIS IS THE AREA
10:47:18AM OF HIGHEST POTENTIAL FOR AN AIRCRAFT ENT.
10:47:22AM OKAY.
10:47:22AM THIS IS LITERALLY AT THE END OF THE RUNWAY.
10:47:25AM WHEN WE -- WHEN WE WORK WITH THE CITY TO GET THIS PARCEL
10:47:29AM PICKED UP, THIS WAS TO KEEP THIS CLEAR ZONE CLEAR.
10:47:33AM AS WAS MENTIONED, THERE WERE DEVELOPMENT PRESSURES ON THIS
10:47:37AM PARCEL.
10:47:38AM AND THE -- THE CITY WAS WILLING TO BUY IT WITH STATE DEFENSE
10:47:45AM INFRASTRUCTURE GRANT MONEY.
10:47:46AM THAT IS WHY THE STATE PUTS THIS UP TO PROTECT FROM
10:47:49AM ENCROACHMENT.
10:47:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:47:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS IS NOT PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:47:54AM WE ASKED FOR HIM TO COME AND SPEAK.
10:47:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU WANT TO GIVE HIM?
10:47:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK: UNTIL HE IS FINISHED.
10:48:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE DON'T DO UNTIL HE IS FINISHED.
10:48:02AM WE HAVE TIME LIMITS.
10:48:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HOW MANY MORE MINUTES DO YOU NEED TO SPEAK ON
10:48:07AM THIS?
10:48:08AM >> TWO MORE MINUTES.
10:48:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TWO MORE MINUTES.
10:48:10AM >> THANK YOU, CHAIR.
10:48:12AM BACK IN -- SO PACK IN THE 2005 TIME FRAME, IF YOU CAN THINK
10:48:18AM BACK THAT FAR IN PERSPECTIVE.
10:48:20AM I AM LOOKING AT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, GREENWAYS AND TRAILS
10:48:25AM RUNNING THROUGH SOUTH TAMPA.
10:48:26AM TRYING TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION BETWEEN BAYSHORE AND PICNIC
10:48:29AM ISLAND.
10:48:29AM THE BASE HAD CREATED A LEASE ALONG THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY OF
10:48:33AM OUR FENCE LINE FOR THE GREENWAYS AND TRAILS TO MOVE THROUGH.
10:48:36AM WE NEEDED TO GET THE GREENWAYS AND TRAILS ACROSS DALE MABRY,
10:48:40AM AND DOWN TO OUR -- TO OUR FENCE LINE THERE WEST OF DALE
10:48:47AM MABRY.
10:48:47AM THIS PARCEL WAS GOING TO BE THAT GREENWAYS AND TRAILS
10:48:51AM CONNECTION.
10:48:52AM SO TRAIL MOVE ARE A CONNECTION.
10:48:58AM NO AMENITIES LIKE A PARK THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.
10:49:02AM NO AMENITIES OR PARK.
10:49:04AM GREENWAYS AND TRAILS IS LIKE A ROAD.
10:49:06AM IT IS NOT LIKE A PARK.
10:49:07AM SO WE WERE -- THAT IS KIND OF HOW THE NEGOTIATIONS WENT BACK
10:49:11AM IN 2005 WHEN WE WORKED THIS OUT.
10:49:14AM .
10:49:15AM SO PUTTING -- PUTTING A PARK IN THE CLEAR ZONE CREATES
10:49:21AM HEALTH AND SAFETY HAZARDS.
10:49:22AM AS I SAID THE AREA OF HIGHEST AIRCRAFT INCIDENT POTENTIAL IN
10:49:27AM THE CLEAR ZONE.
10:49:28AM AND, ALSO, IF YOU PUT -- IF YOU PUT PLACES LIKE -- GATHERING
10:49:33AM PLACES OF PEOPLE IN A CLEAR ZONE ASIDE FROM IMPACTING HEALTH
10:49:38AM AND SAFETY, IT WILL IMPACT THE AIR OPERATIONS OF MacDILL AIR
10:49:42AM FORCE BASE WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY VERY IMPORTANT TO US.
10:49:43AM THANK YOU.
10:49:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:49:46AM CLENDENIN AND CARLSON.
10:49:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HELLO THERE.
10:49:48AM >> HELLO, SIR.
10:49:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DID WE EVER WORK TOGETHER IN I WAS A
10:49:54AM MANAGER AT T.I.A.?
10:49:57AM >> MIGHT CROSSED PATHS.
10:49:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOUR NAME IS FAMILIAR.
10:49:59AM I'M SURE YOU MUST HAVE BEEN.
10:50:02AM >> I HAVE BEEN AROUND.
10:50:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I BET YOUR NAME SOUNDS FAMILIAR.
10:50:05AM WITH ALL DUE RESPECT.
10:50:06AM I GET IT WITH THE AIRPORTS.
10:50:08AM TAMPA INTERNATIONAL.
10:50:09AM ALL AIRPORTS PROTECT THEIR AREAS TO THE BEST OF THEIR
10:50:12AM ABILITY.
10:50:12AM I GET THE POINTS THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE; HOWEVER, AS
10:50:18AM FAR AS, AGAIN, LIKE I SAID EARLIER WHEN I WAS TALKING TO
10:50:20AM MISS FEELEY.
10:50:21AM REGARDING LOW DENSITY AND HAVING A PARK PROPERTY HERE, JUST
10:50:26AM ABOUT AS LOW DENSITY AND LOW USE THAT YOU CAN GET OTHER THAN
10:50:30AM LEAVING IT BARREN.
10:50:30AM MY QUESTION IS, IF MacDILL'S INTEREST IT LEAVING THIS
10:50:34AM PROPERTY BARREN, WHY WOULDN'T THEY JUST PURCHASE THE
10:50:37AM PROPERTY?
10:50:38AM IF YOU ARE GOING TO PROTECT -- PROTECT PROPERTY, WHY DON'T
10:50:41AM YOU PURCHASE IT.
10:50:41AM IF THIS -- THAT IS -- AND, AGAIN, WHY WOULD YOU -- IF THE
10:50:46AM INTEREST WAS THAT GREAT, WHY WOULD YOU BUILD YOUR VISITORS
10:50:50AM CENTER AND ALLOW ALL THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT OCCURRED IN
10:50:52AM THAT SAME AREA AND I STILL THINK -- BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE
10:50:55AM COMING AND GOING AND NOT CONGREGATING VISITOR CENTER IS FOR
10:51:00AM A APPLICABLE.
10:51:01AM YOU ARE NOT CONGREGATING.
10:51:03AM NOT THROWING A CONCERT FOR TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WAIT
10:51:07AM FOR AN INCIDENT TO OCCUR.
10:51:08AM SAME THING WITH THIS PARK.
10:51:09AM A VERY, VERY LOW DENSITY DEVELOPMENT.
10:51:12AM I DON'T GET IT.
10:51:13AM OTHER THAN -- IN A DENSITY POPULATED PENINSULA.
10:51:17AM WE HAVE -- MacDILL IS AN INTERESTING SCENARIO BECAUSE THE
10:51:21AM CITY HAS GROWN UP AROUND IT.
10:51:22AM IT IS ON THE AREA THE TAMPA INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT.
10:51:27AM IT IS COMPLEX.
10:51:28AM WE HAVE TO GIVE AND TAKE BETWEEN THE PUBLIC USE AND PRIVATE
10:51:32AM USE AND THE -- YOU KNOW, OUR AIRPORTS, HOW THEY INTEGRATE
10:51:37AM AND THE COMPLEXITIES OF THAT.
10:51:38AM I UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION OF TRYING -- YOU KNOW, OF
10:51:42AM PITCHING FOR THE INTEREST OF THE AIR FORCE BASE, BUT I THINK
10:51:45AM IN A BALANCED PERSPECTIVE, THIS ARE IS A REALLY GOOD
10:51:48AM BALANCE.
10:51:48AM AGAIN, THIS IS A VERY DOCTOR VERY LOW ASK.
10:51:51AM ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ARE TALKING -- YOU ALREADY HAVE AN
10:51:54AM APPROVED HOTEL ON -- THAT IS ACTUALLY QUITE HIGH.
10:51:57AM SO WHEN YOU TALK OF THE STEP DOWN FROM THAT HOTEL ON DALE
10:52:00AM MABRY TO WHAT WE ARE TALKING OF THE USE OF THIS PARKING LOT.
10:52:03AM I MEAN, PROBABLY -- I MEAN, I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE WHAT THE
10:52:06AM STEP DOWN WILL LOOK LIKE FROM THE HEIGHT -- THE APPROVED
10:52:09AM HOTEL ON DALE MABRY.
10:52:10AM I MEAN -- IT IS NOT THAT -- IT IS NOT THAT MUCH OF A -- OF
10:52:15AM -- IT WOULD BE A DRAMATIC GLIDE PATH TO HIT THE CAR IF YOU
10:52:19AM ARE NOT GOING TO HIT THE HOTEL.
10:52:21AM AGAIN, COMMON SENSE PREVAILS.
10:52:23AM LOW-DENSITY DEVELOPMENT AND I THINK THAT MacDILL WILL BE
10:52:28AM HAPPY WITH THAT.
10:52:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND VIERA.
10:52:30AM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST HIT THREE QUICK QUESTIONS AND THEN YOU
10:52:35AM CAN ANSWER THEM IF YOU WANT.
10:52:36AM NUMBER ONE, MISS FEELEY SAID THAT IN 2005, THE CONTRACT
10:52:41AM ANTICIPATED A PARK.
10:52:43AM AND THAT THE CITY ALWAYS ANTICIPATED A PARK THERE.
10:52:47AM I WONDER FROM -- IS THAT -- IS THAT YOUR RECOLLECTION OF IT?
10:52:50AM AND DOES MacDILL HAVE ANY DOCUMENTS THAT -- THAT CONTRADICT
10:52:55AM THAT?
10:52:56AM NUMBER TWO, I ASKED THE QUESTION OF LEGAL HERE, ARE THERE
10:52:59AM ANY FEDERAL LAWS THAT SUPERSEDE WHAT WE MIGHT DO?
10:53:03AM AND THIRD, YOU SAID THAT -- YOU KNOW, IT -- TO NOT THE
10:53:08AM GRAPHIC, AFFECT HEALTH AND SAFETY BUT ALSO MIGHT AFFECT THE
10:53:12AM FLIGHT LINE.
10:53:12AM SO WHAT ARE THE POTENTIAL REPERCUSSIONS OF THAT LOOKING DOWN
10:53:16AM THE ROAD.
10:53:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CHAIR, MAY I ANSWER THE QUESTIONS?
10:53:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:53:24AM >> FIRST OF ALL, COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN WITH RESPECT TO THE
10:53:27AM VISITORS CENTER.
10:53:28AM WE AT THE BASE CARRY WHAT WE CALL A PERMANENT WAIVER FOR
10:53:31AM THAT BECAUSE NECESSARY FOR THE OPERATION OF THE BASE.
10:53:34AM REALLY NO OTHER PLACE TO PUT A VISITOR ENTRY CONTROL AT
10:53:37AM MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE OTHER THAN THE SOUTH END OF DALE
10:53:42AM MABRY HIGHWAY.
10:53:42AM THAT IS OUR PRIMARY ENTRANCE.
10:53:43AM SO WE -- THE -- BASICALLY THE WING COMMANDER IN THE AIR
10:53:49AM FORCE ASSUMES RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT WAIVER FOR ANY SORT OF
10:53:53AM INCIDENT THAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THE CLEAR ZONE WITH RESPECT TO
10:53:57AM HAVING THE VISITORS SENT THEY ARE.
10:53:59AM THAT IS THE ANSWER FOR THAT.
10:54:01AM WITH RESPECT, THERE ARE NO FEDERAL LAWS AS FAR AS LAND USE
10:54:07AM GOES.
10:54:07AM WE AT THE AIR FORCE DO NOT DICTATE TO YOU WHAT THE LAND USE
10:54:11AM DECISIONS ARE.
10:54:12AM WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU.
10:54:14AM THIS IS WHAT THE AIKEN STUDY IS, IT IS A RECOMMENDATION.
10:54:17AM NOW THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ABOUT THE ONLY THING THAT
10:54:22AM IT SAYS SPECIFIC TO THE CLEAR ZONES, NO VERTICAL DEVELOPMENT
10:54:27AM WITHIN THE CLEAR ZONES.
10:54:28AM SO YOU CAN TAKE THAT FOR WHAT IT MEANS IF THERE IS A PARKING
10:54:35AM LOT THERE.
10:54:35AM LIGHTING FOR THAT PARKING LOT.
10:54:36AM SOMETHING TO BE DISCUSSED.
10:54:37AM CERTAINLY NO STRUCTURES AND ALSO WHEN THE PARK STARRED
10:54:46AM INVESTIGATING THIS.
10:54:47AM WE WERE TOLD A COUPLE OF PAVILIONS AS WELL AS SOME BENCHES
10:54:52AM OUT THERE.
10:54:52AM MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT BE THE CASE.
10:54:54AM THE PARK IS A CONCEPT.
10:54:56AM IT IS A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN POTENTIALLY GATHER AND -- AND
10:55:00AM IT IS -- THAT IS WHERE THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY CONCERN
10:55:03AM IS, SHOULD -- SHOULD THERE BE AN AIRCRAFT INCIDENT OCCURRED
10:55:09AM WHILE THERE IS A GATHERING OF PEOPLE OUT THERE, POTENTIALLY
10:55:13AM LIVE COULD BE LOST UNNECESSARILY.
10:55:15AM SO AS FAR AS ANY LOWER DENSITY USE IN THE PARK.
10:55:20AM FRANKLY, SIR, THE GREENWAYS AND TRAIL MOVING THROUGH WILL BE
10:55:24AM A LOWER DENSITY STILL, BECAUSE THERE IS NO ACTIVITY CENTER
10:55:27AM WITH THAT.
10:55:28AM PEOPLE ARE JUST MOVING THROUGH.
10:55:29AM AND ONCE AGAIN, IF YOU DID PARKING OUTSIDE THE CLEAR ZONE,
10:55:36AM NO PROBLEM.
10:55:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:55:39AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:55:41AM MY COMMENT IS VERY SIMPLE.
10:55:43AM SINCE APPARENTLY WE HEARD MR. FUNK SAY, AND CORRECT ME IF
10:55:46AM I'M WRONG, HE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM YOU UNTIL JUST RECENTLY.
10:55:48AM MAYBE YOU GUYS SHOULD IT SHALL CALL ME NAIVE, STEP OUTSIDE
10:55:53AM AND TALK FOR 20 MINUTES TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE
10:55:56AM RESPECTIVE POSITIONS, NOT IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL.
10:55:59AM I DON'T KNOW.
10:55:59AM THAT WILL CHANGE ANYTHING UP HERE, BUT MAYBE, AGAIN, THIS IS
10:56:02AM -- YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS OBVIOUSLY REAL --
10:56:06AM REALLY GIVEN YOUR POSITION AND THE POSITION YOU OCCUPY AND
10:56:11AM RELATIVELY LAST MINUTE AND MAYBE THAT WILL BENEFIT BOTH
10:56:14AM PARTIES.
10:56:14AM JUST AN IDEA.
10:56:15AM >> GREAT IDEA, SIR.
10:56:18AM HAPPY TO PARTICIPATE.
10:56:19AM I THINK IT WILL BE -- THE CITY, THE DEVELOPER AND MacDILL
10:56:24AM AIR FORCE BASE IN CONVERSATION.
10:56:24AM BUT WHENEVER -- WHENEVER THAT CAN OCCUR THAT WILL BE GREAT
10:56:30AM FOR US.
10:56:32AM PERHAPS WE MIGHT WANT TO HAVE OTHER FOLKS INVOLVED WITH
10:56:36AM CONVERSATION FROM THE BASE.
10:56:37AM I WAS SENT DOWN HERE RATHER QUICKLY LIKE I SAID.
10:56:42AM VERY NOTICE.
10:56:45AM WE FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS WHEN THE FIRST HEARING WAS GOING ON.
10:56:48AM AND WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND TRY TO
10:56:52AM FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO GOING FORWARD.
10:56:54AM THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TODAY.
10:56:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:56:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THE I DON'T TO SAY THAT YOU MENTIONED IT IN
10:57:10AM YOUR E-MAIL.
10:57:13AM
10:57:14AM YEAH, THE APPLICANT -- YES, RIGHT HERE.
10:57:18AM THE RESOLUTION 2002.
10:57:25AM THAT IS NOT RESOLUTION I WAS LOOKING FOR.
10:57:28AM IT SAYS IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE GRANT AGREEMENT FROM 2006,
10:57:34AM THAT LAND ACQUISITION IS FOR ENCROACHMENT PROTECTION AND
10:57:40AM ENVIRONMENTAL BUFFER BETWEEN MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE AND THE
10:57:46AM SOUTH TAMPA COMMUNITY.
10:57:48AM IT GOES ON TO TALK ABOUT -- IN THE LET'S SEE.
10:57:55AM RESOLUTION 2005-699.
10:58:00AM TO ENTER INTO THIS APPLICATION, DEFENSE INFRASTRUCTURE GRANT
10:58:05AM APPLICATION FOR WHICH, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING HOW THIS PARCEL
10:58:09AM WAS ACQUIRED AND SAID HERE, THE SUMMARY OF THE PROJECT THAT
10:58:14AM ONE CITY HAS POSSESSION OF THE LAND IT WILL BE ABLE TO
10:58:17AM UTILIZE OTHER TYPES OF GRANTS AND CITY FUNDS TO DEVELOP THE
10:58:20AM LAND FOR ENVIRONMENTAL AND LOW DENSITY RECREATIONAL USES AND
10:58:24AM FROM YOUR DEFINITION, LOW DENSITY RECREATIONAL USE ALSO BE A
10:58:28AM TRAIL THROUGH, NOT A PARK.
10:58:30AM AM I JUST --
10:58:33AM >> THAT IS HOW EVERYTHING WAS WORKED OUT BACK IN 2005.
10:58:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
10:58:36AM I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
10:58:38AM THANK YOU.
10:58:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN --
10:58:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, I HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION.
10:58:44AM YOU DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH -- IF INSTEAD OF -- YOU
10:58:50AM WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM IF THERE WERE NOT A PARK BUT, SAY, A
10:58:55AM LARGER FOREST, INCREASING THE TREES -- THE TREES WOULD NOT
10:58:59AM BE AN ISSUE?
10:59:01AM >> CORRECT, AS LONG AS THOSE TREES DON'T GET SO TALL AND IF
10:59:05AM HIT THE IMAGINARY --
10:59:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO NO MAPLES.
10:59:09AM I HAVE A MAPLE NEXT DOOR THAT TOWERS OVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:59:14AM >> IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A PRETTY TALL TREE.
10:59:17AM WE WOULD BE CLEAR OF MOST TREES GROWING IN SOUTH TAMPA.
10:59:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
10:59:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS THERE -- YOU AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN
10:59:26AM HURTAK OF THE USES AS FAR AS THE LAND USES.
10:59:28AM IS THERE A LEGAL FEDERAL DEFINITION OF THAT, THE
10:59:35AM RECREATIONAL USE IN THAT AGREEMENT?
10:59:37AM IS THAT DEFINED SOMEWHERE?
10:59:39AM >> I AM NOT -- THAT IS A QUESTION FOR THE LAWYERS, SIR.
10:59:42AM I AM NOT QUITE SURE ABOUT THAT.
10:59:43AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN I ASK STAFF.
10:59:45AM IS THERE -- FROM THAT AGREEMENT THAT WAS REACHED BACK THEN,
10:59:50AM IS THERE A DEFINITION OF AGREEMENT.
10:59:52AM >> THERE WASN'T A DEFINITION IN THE AGREEMENT.
10:59:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: JUST A INTERPRETATION?
10:59:59AM VERY GOOD.
10:59:59AM BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING AND DEALING THIS WITH 32 YEARS
11:00:04AM IN FA A.
11:00:04AM AIRPORTS HAVE VERY PROTECTIVE OF THEIR SPACE.
11:00:08AM BUT BECAUSE WE ARE IN A DENSELY POPULATED AREA AND EVERY
11:00:12AM CITY HAS THE SAME CHALLENGES DEALING WITH AIRPORTS, WE HAVE
11:00:16AM TO FIND OF HAVE GIVE AND TAKE AND COMPROMISE.
11:00:18AM IF YOU BUILD AN AIRPORT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, YOU CAN
11:00:21AM HAVE A VERY STERILE, VERY DEFINED LINES.
11:00:25AM BUT WHEN YOU PLOP AN AIRPORT INTO AN URBAN AREA.
11:00:28AM YOU HAVE -- YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPES OF COMPROMISES.
11:00:32AM AND, I THINK, AGAIN, THIS IS AS CLOSE TO A COMPROMISE THAT
11:00:37AM YOU CAN GET HAVING A PARKING LOT, 12-FOOT VEHICLES, WHATEVER
11:00:42AM THEY ARE.
11:00:42AM AND MAYBE A FEW OTHER SUPPORT LIGHTING STRUCTURE AND THE
11:00:46AM PARK.
11:00:46AM ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING WE ARE ON THE VERY EDGE OF YOUR --
11:00:50AM YOUR CLEAR ZONE.
11:00:52AM IF WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT OF WHERE THAT CLEAR ZONE ACTUALLY
11:00:56AM IS.
11:00:56AM I THINK THERE IS DISCUSSION WHAT THAT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE ON
11:00:59AM THE -- AS THE OVERLAY.
11:01:01AM SO, AGAIN, THIS LOOKS TO ME LIKE -- IT IS -- I GET YOUR
11:01:06AM POSITION BECAUSE YOU ARE VERY -- YOUR ROLE IS TO DEFEND 100%
11:01:12AM THE INTEREST OF THE AIR FORCE BASE.
11:01:13AM OUR ROLE IS TO FIND BALANCE BETWEEN THE TWO.
11:01:18AM THAT IS MY POINT.
11:01:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:01:21AM ANYBODY ELSE?
11:01:22AM YES, MA'AM.
11:01:22AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ONE QUESTION.
11:01:24AM IS THE WELCOME CENTER CONSIDERED IN THE CLEAR ZONE?
11:01:27AM >> YES, IT IS.
11:01:27AM AS I EXPLAINED BEFORE, THE AIR FORCE CARRIES WHAT WE CALL A
11:01:31AM "PERMANENT WAIVER" ON THAT.
11:01:33AM THE AIR FORCE -- SIGNED UP FROM A THREE-STAR GENERAL FROM
11:01:38AM AIR MOBILITY COMMAND.
11:01:39AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I UNDERSTAND, ACCOUNT THREE-STAR GENERAL
11:01:43AM SIGN OFF ON A PARKING LOT?
11:01:45AM I DON'T SEE WHAT THE MAJOR DIFFERENCE IS IF THEY ARE SIGNING
11:01:48AM OFF ON SOMETHING LIKE A WELCOME CENTER WHERE PEOPLE ARE
11:01:51AM ACTUALLY GATHERING.
11:01:52AM >> WE CARRY THE WAIVER BECAUSE IT IS ON OUR PROPERTY.
11:01:54AM AND PHYSICALLY MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE'S PROPERTY.
11:01:59AM WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING OFF BASE.
11:02:05AM WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
11:02:08AM MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE KNOWS THAT WE ARE IN AN URBAN
11:02:12AM ENVIRONMENT.
11:02:12AM THAT RUNWAY CAME AFTER THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO THE
11:02:15AM NORTH.
11:02:15AM IT WAS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED IN WORLD WAR II.
11:02:19AM ALREADY DEVELOPMENT IN BALLAST POINT AND ALONG THE INTERBAY
11:02:29AM PENINSULA.
11:02:29AM SINCE THERE WAS A PROGRAM THAT STARTED BACK IN 1973, ONE OF
11:02:33AM NEXT AND UNDERSTANDING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AND OUR
11:02:36AM NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OFF BASE TO FIND A BALANCE.
11:02:39AM WHETHER INCOMPATIBLE LAND USES, TRAFFIC IMPACTS, WE TRY TO
11:02:43AM WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY AS BEST WE CAN TO WORK ON THESE
11:02:46AM THINGS.
11:02:47AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
11:02:52AM THANK YOU.
11:02:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MA'AM, BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:02:57AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
11:02:58AM YES?
11:03:00AM >> GOOD MORNING, ADDIE CLARK, ASHLEY DRIVE.
11:03:04AM WANT TO CLARIFY A FEW THINGS.
11:03:05AM I THINK AS DISCUSSED, THE INTENT HERE IS TO HAVE A VERY
11:03:09AM PASSIVE AREA.
11:03:10AM THERE ARE NO SWINGS, PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, REST ROOMS,
11:03:14AM STRUCTURES.
11:03:15AM YOU KNOW THE FACT THERE ARE NO REST ROOMS REALLY HIGHLIGHT
11:03:18AM THE INTENT OF BEING RESPECTFUL OF THIS AREA AND THE
11:03:22AM LOCATION.
11:03:22AM JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
11:03:24AM AND, AGAIN, I KNOW IT HAS BEEN REFERENCED A COUPLE OF TIMES
11:03:28AM AND I SHOWED IT BEFORE, THE INTENT OF ALWAYS BEING
11:03:31AM CONSIDERED AS THAT LOW-DENSITY RECREATIONAL AREA.
11:03:34AM SINCE IT CURRENTLY -- INDUSTRIAL LAND USE AND THE INTENT NOT
11:03:41AM TO DO IT AS INDUSTRIAL, BUT DEVELOP THIS PARK AND MAKE IT
11:03:44AM THE LEAST DENSE AREA AS ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE.
11:03:47AM LASTLY AND I BELIEVE -- OUR APOLOGIES THAT IT DIDN'T APPEAR
11:03:52AM THERE WERE CONVERSATION BUT OUR UNDERSTANDING THERE WERE --
11:03:55AM AGAIN, DATING BACK FROM 2022.
11:03:57AM BUT ALSO I BELIEVE THERE WERE E-MAILS WITH THE MacDILL AIR
11:04:02AM FORCE BASE WAS COPIED AS EARLY -- AS RECENT AS THURSDAY
11:04:05AM AUGUST 22 OF THIS YEAR.
11:04:06AM SO JUST ABOUT A WEEK BEFORE FIRST READING.
11:04:10AM SO JUST WANTED TO KIND OF POINT THAT OUT AS WELL.
11:04:14AM I WILL LET BRIAN TALK TO THE SPECIFICS OF THAT INFORMATION.
11:04:18AM >> JUST WANT TO CLEAR THE RECORD ON TWO THINGS.
11:04:20AM I WAS ABLE TO FIND THE IMAGE ON MY PHONE BECAUSE, AGAIN, HE
11:04:24AM WASN'T PREPARED FOR THIS BECAUSE I WASN'T SENT ANYTHING
11:04:27AM UNTIL A FEW HOURS AGO.
11:04:28AM BUT HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE THAT.
11:04:29AM SO THIS IS THE CLEAR ZONE LINE RIGHT HERE.
11:04:33AM THIS IS Y'ALL'S PROPERTY.
11:04:34AM THE GENTLEMAN BEFORE ME, HE HAS IT SHOWN WAY OVER HERE.
11:04:38AM AND THAT IS WRONG.
11:04:39AM THIS IS A URS THAT HAS BEEN SIGNED OFF BY HIS SUPERIOR, ARE
11:04:44AM THE DIRECTOR OF THE SIXTH CIVIL ENGINEERING SQUADRON.
11:04:48AM THIS IS ALREADY IN EVIDENCE AND WE HAVE GONE FORWARD BASED
11:04:51AM ON THIS.
11:04:51AM THE OTHER THING I WANT TO MENTION THIS ROAD DOES NOT HAVE
11:04:56AM ANYTHING TO DO WITH MY DEVELOPMENT.
11:04:57AM WHAT I MEAN BY THAT, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO DO A PARK A ACHE
11:05:00AM AND A HALF AND WE ARE AT 40 SPACES.
11:05:02AM LET'S SAY YOU WANTED TO DO A TWO-ACRE PARK.
11:05:05AM LEAVE ROOM FOR PARKING, YOU NEED 53 SPACES.
11:05:09AM FORGET MY DEVELOPMENT AND ANYTHING I PROPOSE.
11:05:11AM WHAT THEY ARE TELLING IS THAT YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO USE
11:05:14AM THIS SPOT AS A PARK EVER.
11:05:16AM IF THEY DON'T EXCEPT THIS VERY MINIMAL USE, WHAT WOULD THEY
11:05:19AM ACCEPT?
11:05:20AM WE HAVE ALREADY SCALED THIS BACK.
11:05:21AM REFLECTED AT ONE POINT BATHROOMS AND APPEAR PAVILION, THE
11:05:25AM GENTLEMAN WAS CORRECT.
11:05:27AM HE IS GETTING BAD INFO.
11:05:29AM WE SHOWED A PAVILION AT ONE POINT.
11:05:32AM WE TOOK THE REST ROOMS.
11:05:34AM MAKE THIS AS DEMURE.
11:05:35AM PARKS AND REC WANTED A SWINGING BENCH.
11:05:38AM AND WE PUT A SWINGING BENCH IN THERE.
11:05:40AM I DON'T THINK THAT IS THE RISK THAT HE IS PROBABLY TALKING
11:05:43AM ABOUT.
11:05:43AM AS FAR AS PARKING.
11:05:44AM AGAIN, ONCE YOU LOOK AT THIS AND UNDERSTAND THIS IS THE
11:05:50AM PREMISE BY WHICH HE SHOULD BE MAKING HIS DECISION.
11:05:53AM THIS LINE IS IN THE WRONG PLACE.
11:05:55AM ONE OF THOSE DEALS THAT I AM HOPING HE WILL SAY, MY BAD.
11:05:59AM WE ARE GOOD WITH THAT.
11:06:01AM HAVE TO TAKE IT UP SEPARATELY BUT I CANDIDLY NOT SURE WHERE
11:06:05AM HE IS COMING FROM BECAUSE THIS IS THE INITIAL LINE.
11:06:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:06:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO WE HAVE HEARD DIFFERING TESTIMONY AND I
11:06:15AM WILL BE HONEST, I AM NOT COMFORTABLE VOTING ON THIS TODAY.
11:06:18AM I AM JUST NOT.
11:06:19AM I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE LINES ARE.
11:06:21AM I HOPED THAT -- I HOPED THAT -- I MEAN -- I KNOW WE HAVE TO
11:06:32AM BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT THIS, BUT I RECOMMEND JUST POSSIBLY SEEING
11:06:35AM WHAT WE CAN TO DO MOVE THIS TO A DIFFERENT TIME SO THIS CAN
11:06:44AM BE DISCUSSED AND DEALT WITH.
11:06:45AM I AM NOT A MAP PERSON.
11:06:46AM I AM HEARING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS FROM TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
11:06:49AM WILL SHELBY, WHAT IS YOURS --
11:06:51AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: A MOTION TO CONTINUE IS ALWAYS IN ORDER IF
11:06:54AM THAT'S -- IF THAT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
11:06:57AM AS COUNCILMAN VIERA SELECTED YOU MAY WANT TO HOLD THIS AND
11:07:06AM HAVE THE PARTIES TALK IN THE HALLWAY AND SEE IF THEY WANT TO
11:07:09AM HAVE A CONTINUANCE OR YOU MOVE IT FORWARD.
11:07:11AM COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
11:07:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK: MY CONCERN IS THIS DOESN'T SEEM SOMETHING YOU
11:07:16AM CAN HOP IN THE HALL AND FIGURE OUT.
11:07:18AM SO THAT WOULD BE SIMP -- SIMPLY BEFORE WE SPENDS ANY MORE
11:07:22AM TIME.
11:07:22AM THAT IS MY RECOMMENDATION JUST TO CLEAR IT UP.
11:07:24AM I WANT MY VOTE TO BE ABSOLUTELY POSITIVE AND SURE SO THAT
11:07:32AM WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
11:07:33AM I WOULD HATE TO END UP VOTING ON SOMETHING THAT I DON'T HAVE
11:07:38AM TOTAL AND COMPLETE FACTS.
11:07:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN
11:07:44AM HURTAK.
11:07:44AM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
11:07:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DOES STAFF -- THESE CLEAR ZONES.
11:07:49AM THEY HAVE OFFICIAL MAPS.
11:07:50AM DO WE HAVE ACCESS TO OFFICIAL MAPS FROM THE CLEAR ZONES.
11:07:54AM TO YOU GUYS HAVE THOSE?
11:07:56AM SOMEBODY HAS A COPY OF IT?
11:07:58AM I KNOW YOU ARE NOT STAFF, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT IS --
11:08:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
11:08:02AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: WE DO HAVE A COPY OF THE 2023.
11:08:09AM THE AQs.
11:08:14AM APOLOGIES.
11:08:18AM I JUST WOULD LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON IT.
11:08:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE NOT BE DISRUPTIVE OF THE SPEAKERS
11:08:26AM AT THE LECTERN.
11:08:27AM YES, MA'AM, MISS FEELEY.
11:08:29AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I HAVE THE AQ STUDY TRANSFORMED PRIOR TO THE
11:08:34AM 2023.
11:08:34AM AND OUR TEAM DOES HAVE THE 2023.
11:08:36AM AS MUCH AS YOU KNOW WHEN WE PUT AERIALS UP AT REZONING AND
11:08:40AM OTHER THINGS, THE GIS IS AS GOOD AS THE GIS.
11:08:44AM I DON'T KNOW THAT -- I AM HEARING MR. FUNK SAY IS 1 FEET.
11:08:51AM WE NEED TO VERIFY THAT.
11:08:53AM THAT IS A LARGE AMOUNT.
11:08:54AM I AM NOT GOING TO SAY -- BECAUSE 100 FEET IN OUR CITY CAN BE
11:08:57AM A WHOLE LOT OR TWO LOTS.
11:09:00AM I WOULD NEED TO CHECK INTO THAT.
11:09:02AM I WOULD SAY -- I THINK TONY IS ONLINE, BUT HE IS NOT HERE.
11:09:09AM SO I THINK IT IS A DISCUSSION WITH PARKS AS WELL, BECAUSE WE
11:09:12AM DID WALK BACK WHAT THAT WAS AND WHAT -- AND WE DO HAVE OTHER
11:09:16AM EXAMPLES OF WHAT TRAIL HEADS ARE SO I CAN'T GO ON THE RECORD
11:09:22AM AND TELL YOU, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, I KNOW -- BUT CAN WE
11:09:25AM FIGURE IT OUT?
11:09:26AM YES, WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT.
11:09:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I BELIEVE WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT AND THAT IS
11:09:31AM WHAT I AM SAYING.
11:09:32AM DON'T SPEND TIME ANYTHING IT OUT DURING THIS COUNCIL MEETING
11:09:38AM AND THE PARTIES COME BACK WITH A BETTER AGREEMENT, INCLUDES
11:09:40AM EVERYONE, EVERY DEPARTMENT, EVERY GROUP.
11:09:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I ABSOLUTELY AGREE.
11:09:48AM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
11:09:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AGREE WITH IT IF THAT IS THE WAY WE WANT
11:09:52AM TO GO.
11:09:52AM I WILL SAY REGARDLESS OF HOW THIS TURNS OUT WHETHER WHAT
11:09:56AM THAT -- THAT IMAGINARY LINE IN SPACE IS, AGAIN, AN AIRPORT
11:10:02AM -- BASED ON 32 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE DOING THIS KIND OF THINGS
11:10:06AM AS WELL.
11:10:06AM AIRPORT IN AN URBAN AREA IS GIVE AND TAKE WHAT YOU HEARD OF
11:10:11AM THE WELCOME CENTER S CENTER FROM MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE.
11:10:15AM THAT IS A COMPROMISE.
11:10:16AM IN THE PERFECT WORLD, YOU WILL HAVE THAT PARCEL FURTHER
11:10:19AM NORTH OF THE ZONE.
11:10:21AM THEY WOULD HAVE BUILT THAT UP THERE.
11:10:23AM AND THEY DECIDED TO TAKE THAT AS A GIVE AND TAKE BECAUSE
11:10:27AM THEY ARE IN AN URBAN AREA.
11:10:28AM REGARDLESS OF WHERE THAT LINE IS, I THINK THAT TYPE OF
11:10:32AM DEVELOPMENT HAS A VERY LOW IMPACT ON AVIATION.
11:10:35AM NOT A POINT OF CONGREGATION.
11:10:38AM YOU ARE NOT BUILDING A HIGH DENSITY ENVIRONMENT THAT WOULD
11:10:45AM PUT LARGE PEOPLE AT RISK FOR FLIGHT OPERATION AT MacDILL AND
11:10:49AM SURROUNDING THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT AROUND THE AIR FORCE BASE,
11:10:53AM THIS IS NEGLIGIBLE.
11:10:54AM YOU THINK OF TAMPA INTERNATIONAL.
11:10:55AM TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WE HAVE AT TAMPA INTERNATIONAL.
11:10:59AM EVERY AIRPORT HAS INTRINSIC RISKS AND DEVELOPMENTS AROUND
11:11:05AM AIRPORTS HAVE INTRINSIC.
11:11:06AM I CAN'T THINK OF A LOWER DENSITY USE.
11:11:09AM AGAIN, YOU LOOK AT THE AIRPORTS AND YOU HAVE -- I MEAN, ON
11:11:14AM DAVIS ISLAND, AIRPORT AND AIRPLANES GO OVER CHEMICAL AREAS
11:11:18AM AND NEIGHBORHOOD AREAS.
11:11:20AM IT IS WHAT WE DEAL WITH, A GIVE OR TAKE AND A BALANCE.
11:11:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VIERA AND CARLSON.
11:11:28AM >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CHAIR, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS SAY AS A
11:11:32AM QUALIFIED STATEMENT WITH THE INFORMATION I HAVE THAT.
11:11:34AM I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
11:11:36AM BUT MY QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT IS, WOULD A WEEK OR TWO OR
11:11:42AM WHATEVER TIME, WILL THAT IN ANY WAY PREJUDICE YOUR CLIENT IN
11:11:46AM ANY WAY?
11:11:47AM I ASK THAT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THIS APPEARS TO HAVE COME
11:11:50AM LAST MINUTE.
11:11:51AM AND I FULLY UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION, ETC.
11:11:53AM BUT MY QUESTION IS, WOULD ONE OR TWO WEEKS PREJUDICE YOU IN
11:11:58AM ANY WAY?
11:11:59AM >> YES, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
11:12:00AM I THINK WE WOULD BE DEFINITELY AGREEABLE TO A CONTINUANCE TO
11:12:03AM POTENTIALLY I THINK TO OCTOBER 3 --
11:12:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OCTOBER 3 AND 17.
11:12:08AM OCTOBER 17 IS LESS BUSY.
11:12:11AM THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
11:12:14AM >> WE WILL TRY FOR THE 3rd GIVEN -- WE WERE ALL READY FOR
11:12:18AM TODAY IF THAT AT ALL POSSIBLE.
11:12:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF THAT GIVES YOU ENOUGH TIME THAT ALL
11:12:22AM PARTIES CAN MEET AND DISCUSS YOU, THE BASE, THE CITY, AND IF
11:12:26AM COUNCIL WOULD AGREE TO THAT.
11:12:28AM I DON'T WANT TO THE TAKE A UNTIL I SPEAK -- GET MR. CARLSON.
11:12:33AM SO OCTOBER 3 WOULD BE A DATE.
11:12:35AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:12:37AM >>BILL CARLSON: ONE LAST THING.
11:12:39AM WILL RODRIGUEZ WHEN HE SPOKE, HE TALKED OF GETTING THE
11:12:43AM GENERAL TO SIGN OFF AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AIR FORCE TO AIR
11:12:47AM FORCE.
11:12:47AM I WONDER -- NOT TO ANSWER NOW, BUT I WONDER THROUGH THIS
11:12:51AM PROCESS CAN YOU FIND ANY WAY TO GET APPROVAL OR ANY OR ALL
11:12:55AM PART OF THIS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE.
11:12:59AM FOR EXAMPLE, WE -- THE PART THAT WE CAN CONTROL, WHICH IS
11:13:03AM TWO-THIRDS OF WHAT IS IN THIS FILING IS THE PARK.
11:13:05AM AND SO, IF WE JUST PUT AS MR. RODRIGUEZ SAID PUT A PATH AND
11:13:19AM THEY WILL NOT OBJECT TO IT FOR THE VERY LEAST.
11:13:21AM ANY MECHANISM OF THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE OR THE AIR FORCE
11:13:26AM WHERE THEY SAY WE APPROVE THIS WITH THE PARAMETERS AND ONLY
11:13:31AM SMALL PART OF THE PARKING LOT TO DEAL WITH.
11:13:33AM IF WE CAN WORK OUT SOMETHING FOR THE PARK, THAT WOULD GET US
11:13:37AM MOST OF THE WAY TOWARD GETTING SOME KIND OF APPROVAL.
11:13:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MA'AM?
11:13:43AM >> SOMETHING WE WILL DEFINITELY TALK WITH THEM ABOUT DURING
11:13:45AM THIS TIME.
11:13:46AM AND DEFINITELY CONTINUE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
11:13:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO THE MOTION WOULD BE TO CONTINUE ITEM
11:13:51AM 61 WITH 47 TO OCTOBER 3 AT 10:30.
11:13:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO MOVED.
11:13:56AM TIME CERTAIN.
11:13:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TIME CERTAIN, 10:30.
11:14:00AM WANT TO GET PUBLIC COMMENT JUST ON THE CONTINUANCE?
11:14:05AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, IT DEPENDS.
11:14:07AM YOU DID NOT OPEN IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:14:09AM WITH ALL THESE ISSUES YOU WANT TO HAVE IT CONTINUED AND TAKE
11:14:14AM UP PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:14:16AM BECAUSE THERE IS SOMEBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK.
11:14:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HE WILL SAY ONLY ON THE CONTINUANCE ITSELF.
11:14:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MISS POYNOR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK ON
11:14:25AM THE CONTINUANCE.
11:14:26AM >> ABSOLUTELY.
11:14:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:14:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: STATE YOUR NAME.
11:14:32AM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
11:14:36AM WHEN THE NEIGHBORHOODS WERE NOTIFIED WE GOT THIS NONDESCRIPT
11:14:41AM LETTER.
11:14:41AM EVERYBODY HERE TODAY, DEVELOPER, LAND DEVELOPMENT
11:14:45AM DEPARTMENT, THE BASE.
11:14:45AM THEY ARE ALL FRUSTRATED.
11:14:47AM YOU KNOW WHY?
11:14:48AM BECAUSE THERE WAS NO GOOD NEIGHBOR NOTICE SENT.
11:14:52AM TONY IS IT STANDING HERE TODAY -- I DIDN'T KNOW TONY WAS
11:14:55AM COMING TODAY.
11:14:58AM I HAD NO IDEA THEY HAD AN OBJECTION.
11:15:01AM YOU KNOW WHAT, I AM KIND OF SWITZERLAND.
11:15:06AM WE CAN HAVE MR. KRAMER AND PUT TREES ON THAT LOT.
11:15:13AM I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PLAN.
11:15:14AM I WILL POINT OUT IN THE FIVE YEARS COMING HERE, THE FIRST
11:15:17AM TIME I HAVE SEEN MacDILL COME AND SAY, I DON'T THINK THIS IS
11:15:21AM A GOOD IDEA.
11:15:22AM KEEP THAT IN MIND.
11:15:23AM BUT WE WILL NOT BE HAVING THIS PROBLEM TODAY IF LEGAL
11:15:30AM REQUIREMENT WASN'T REQUIRED TO GET INTO BED WITH DEVELOPERS
11:15:34AM .I AM NOT BEING NEGATIVE ABOUT IT, BUT I AM TELLING YOU THE
11:15:38AM SECOND TIME IN SIX MONTHS.
11:15:38AM IF WE CONTINUE IT, WE CONTINUE IT.
11:15:40AM I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CONTINUANCE, BUT I HAVE A
11:15:43AM PROBLEM OF THE LACK OF NOTIFICATION OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
11:15:46AM AND YOU GUYS ASKED THEM TO MEET WITH US LAST TIME.
11:15:49AM AND THEY DID IT.
11:15:50AM THEY DID WHAT THEY WERE ASKED TO DO.
11:15:52AM DEVELOPERS HAVE DONE THAT.
11:15:54AM THE LAND USE DEPARTMENT DID WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO.
11:15:57AM THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PROCESS IS
11:16:01AM FLAWED BECAUSE THE CITY LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS ALLOWED TO GO
11:16:05AM MAKE DEALS AND NOT TELL ANYBODY ABOUT IT.
11:16:07AM AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO TURN IT INTO THE CLERK'S OFFICE UNTIL
11:16:11AM EIGHT DAYS BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CRAP AND YOU AND
11:16:15AM ALL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOW IT.
11:16:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:16:19AM WE HAVE A MOTION.
11:16:20AM ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE CONTINUANCE.
11:16:22AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST FOR THE RECORD ANNOUNCE THE DATE.
11:16:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION TO CONTINUE 61 WITH 47 TO
11:16:28AM OCTOBER 3, 10:30 A.M. PUBLIC HEARING.
11:16:33AM BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
11:16:34AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: LOCATION.
11:16:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 15 E. KENNEDY, THIRD, FLOOR, TAMPA,
11:16:41AM FLORIDA, 33062.
11:16:43AM UNITED STATES.
11:16:43AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: PART OF THE MOTION WITH A TIME CERTAIN
11:16:47AM UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU WILL STOP WHERE YOU ARE TO TAKE UP
11:16:50AM THAT ITEM AT 10:30, IS THAT CORRECT, MAKER OF THE MOTION?
11:16:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
11:16:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD WITH YOU.
11:16:56AM WE HAVE POLICE OFFICER OF THE MONTH.
11:16:58AM ATU.
11:16:59AM PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:17:01AM SBA.
11:17:02AM A HARD STOP AT 10:30 FOR THIS ITEM.
11:17:05AM WE HAVE A MOTION.
11:17:06AM DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
11:17:08AM SECOND WITH COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:17:10AM ANY OPPOSED.
11:17:12AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: NAY.
11:17:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NAY.
11:17:18AM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH HENDERSON AND CLENDENIN VOTING
11:17:22AM NO.
11:17:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE WILL SEE YOU OCTOBER 107 AT 150:30.
11:17:28AM TIME CERTAIN.
11:17:28AM STATED FOR 61 AND 47 IN THE MOTION.
11:17:31AM ALL RIGHT.
11:17:33AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:17:33AM WE GO TO ITEM NUMBER 62 YES, MA'AM.
11:17:42AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:17:43AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
11:17:44AM EMMA GRAY, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
11:17:48AM ITEM 62, RESOLUTION OF THE ADOPTION OF A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT
11:17:55AM ROLE FOR THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC YBOR TAMPA TOURISM MARKETING
11:17:59AM DISTRICT, EXCUSE ME.
11:18:01AM SETTING THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS ON AUGUST 23.
11:18:05AM AND THE -- LET'S SEE, THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY HOTEL MOTEL
11:18:09AM ASSOCIATION WHO IS REPRESENTED BY DAVID SMITH WHO IS HERE
11:18:13AM SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS SEND OUT BOTH A PUBLISHED
11:18:17AM NOTICE AND A MAILED NOTICE.
11:18:19AM AND SO NOW WE ARE HERE FOR THE FINAL ADOPTION OF THE ROLE.
11:18:23AM AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE ARE BOTH AVAILABLE.
11:18:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS?
11:18:28AM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:18:29AM >>LUIS VIERA: WHENEVER GRAY ROBINSON IS INVOLVED.
11:18:33AM I JUST -- I KNOW IT IS NOT AN ISSUE, BUT I SAY I AM ON, OF
11:18:36AM COURSE, THE HART BOARD AND GRAY ROBINSON IS OUR ATTORNEY.
11:18:39AM AND WILL SMITH IS SOMETIMES ACTS AS COUNSEL.
11:18:43AM AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLOSURE.
11:18:45AM I KNOW IT IS NOT AN ISSUE, BUT JUST -- JUST FOR COUNCILWOMAN
11:18:49AM HENDERSON AS WELL.
11:18:49AM THANK YOU.
11:18:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:18:51AM BOTH MEMBERS OF THE HART BOARD.
11:18:53AM ALL RIGHT.
11:18:54AM GENTLEMEN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD?
11:19:01AM >> GOOD MORNING, DAVID SMITH.
11:19:03AM 101 EAST KENNEDY.
11:19:05AM BASICALLY WE ARE HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
11:19:07AM THIS IS SOMETHING YOU PASSED BEFORE.
11:19:09AM IT WILL NOT BE BEFORE YOU TODAY IF IT WEREN'T THAT WE ADDED
11:19:12AM PROPERTIES.
11:19:12AM AND THESE PROPERTIES HAD TO RECEIVE NOTICE.
11:19:14AM IT IS A VOLUNTARY GROUP.
11:19:17AM THEY FORMED TOGETHER TO IMPROVE THIS WHOLE PROCESS AND THERE
11:19:21AM IS NO REAL OPPOSITION TO IT.
11:19:22AM IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
11:19:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS?
11:19:27AM IF NOT, MR. MORRISON.
11:19:28AM >> NOTHING.
11:19:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISHES TO SPEAK FOR
11:19:34AM 62?
11:19:34AM I SEE NO ONE.
11:19:35AM WE HAVE TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
11:19:38AM A MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION FROM 62 FROM COUNCILMAN
11:19:41AM MIRANDA.
11:19:41AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:19:43AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
11:19:44AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:19:45AM NOW CAN WE READ THE -- IT IS UNANIMOUS.
11:19:49AM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:19:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUB PUBLIC HEARING.
11:19:54AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND.
11:19:57AM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:19:59AM RESOLUTION MUST BE ADOPTED DURING THE YOU CAN HIS HEARING.
11:20:05AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH ITEM NUMBER 63.
11:20:12AM THIS IS A -- AN ALLEY VACATING.
11:20:14AM >>ROSS SAMONS: ROSS SAMONS.
11:20:22AM FILE NUMBER VAC 24-04.
11:20:27AM APPLICANT IS ANTONIO GOMEZ.
11:20:30AM PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 208 VIRGINIA PARK AVENUE.
11:20:35AM PROPOSED REQUEST TO VACATE THE ALLEY NORTH OF VIRGINIA PARK,
11:20:39AM SOUTH OF SELMA AVENUE, EAST OF FLORIDA AVENUE, AND WEST OF
11:20:42AM SWAUNNEE AVENUE.
11:20:43AM THIS APPLICATION WAS FILED FEBRUARY, 2024.
11:20:49AM APPLICANT'S REASON FOR THE APPLICATION IS TRASH DUMPING.
11:20:53AM RIGHT-OF-WAY WAS CREATED BY SUBDIVISION FLAT.
11:20:57AM 3206 SQUARE FEET.
11:21:06AM VACATING REQUEST IN YELLOW AND THE PROPERTY IN RED.
11:21:08AM YOU WILL NOTICE THIS IS A T-SHAPED ALLEY IN THE BLOCK FROM
11:21:14AM SELMA TO VIRGINIA PARK.
11:21:15AM NORTH AND SOUTH ALLEY THAT IS STILL CURRENTLY OPEN.
11:21:20AM WHERE THE ALLEYWAY WAS CREATED.
11:21:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I SEE BUFFALO AVENUE ON THE MAP, BACK IN
11:21:31AM THE DAY.
11:21:32AM >> IMAGE OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY AT VIRGINIA PARK
11:21:41AM AVENUE.
11:21:42AM THIS IS AN IMAGE OF THE LOCATION OF THE ALLEY LOOKING EAST
11:21:46AM FROM THE NORTH AND SOUTH SECTION OF THE ALLEYWAY.
11:21:50AM THIS IS LOOKING WEST FROM SWAUNNEE AVENUE.
11:21:55AM STAFF OBJECTS TO THIS VACATING REQUEST.
11:22:05AM TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT AND URBAN DECLINE.
11:22:09AM SPECIAL CONTINUES CHAPTER 27 AND IMPROVEMENT OF PLACE OF
11:22:24AM TREES IN THE AN AREA.
11:22:25AM THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I WILL BE AIL AVAILABLE
11:22:28AM IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
11:22:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SAMONS?
11:22:34AM NO?
11:22:35AM ALL RIGHT.
11:22:35AM THE APPLICANT COME ON UP.
11:22:37AM MR. GOMES.
11:22:38AM YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:22:49AM >> GOOD MORNING, I AM THE APPLICANT ON BEHALF OF MY UNCLE
11:22:57AM ANTONIO GOMES.
11:22:59AM WE ARE BASICALLY HERE TO REQUEST THE VACATING OF THE
11:23:02AM ALLEYWAY BEHIND THE HOUSE.
11:23:03AM THE REASON IS THE HOMELESSNESS BACK THERE AND TRASH PILE-UP.
11:23:10AM AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE ALLEY WAY, NO WAY TO GET IN ON THE
11:23:17AM FLORIDA AVE SIDE OF THINGS.
11:23:19AM BUILDING THERE.
11:23:20AM ON THE EAST SIDE, THERE IS A UTILITY POLE.
11:23:28AM AND I BELIEVE THE ALLEYWAY IS 10 FEET.
11:23:30AM WE BELIEVE IF WE VACATE IT AND GIVE FIVE FEET TO OURSELVES
11:23:35AM AND FIVE FEET TO OUR NEIGHBORS, THAT WILL REDUCE THE NUMBER
11:23:39AM OF PEOPLE BACK THERE AND THE AMOUNT OF TRASH THAT PILES UP.
11:23:43AM I BELIEVE THE NEXT BLOCK OVER TO THE EAST, THE 300 BLOCK HAD
11:23:49AM THE SAME ISSUE SOME TIME AGO AND THEY WERE ABLE TO VACATE
11:23:57AM THEIRS AND GET RID OF THE ISSUE THEY WERE HAVING.
11:23:59AM SOME THAT IS THE REASON WE ARE HERE OUTSIDE OF ONE OF THE
11:24:08AM NEIGHBORS, MATTHEW JORDAN.
11:24:09AM >> MATTHEW JORDAN, LANDOWNER OF THE WEST SIDE OF THE VALLEY.
11:24:13AM DEFINITELY SUPPORTIVE OF THE REQUEST AND FURTHER EMPHASIZE
11:24:17AM THE LAND USE -- SORRY --
11:24:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU ARE -- YOU ARE TECHNICALLY -- LET'S
11:24:25AM START OVER.
11:24:25AM YOU ARE PART OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:24:27AM YOU ARE NOT THE APPLICANT.
11:24:28AM ANYTHING MORE TO ADD AND THEN WE WILL GO TO HIM?
11:24:32AM DO YOU GUYS WANT TO SAY ANYTHING?
11:24:37AM >> HE JUST ADDED YOU KNOW HE HAS GRANDKID THAT OBVIOUSLY
11:24:43AM LIKE TO PLAY IN THE BACK YARD, AND SOMETIMES IT IS BEST THAT
11:24:48AM THEY STAY IN THE HOUSE BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE HANGING OUT
11:24:51AM BACK THERE.
11:24:51AM AND YOU KNOW, IT IS JUST NOT IDEAL FOR THE GRANDKIDS
11:24:56AM BASICALLY.
11:24:57AM >> IT IS PRIVATE PROPERTY AND WE CAN NOT TELL THEM TO LEAVE.
11:25:00AM >> IT BELONGS TO THE CITY OF TAMPA, SO I GUESS LEGALLY WE
11:25:04AM CAN'T TELL THEM TO LEAVE.
11:25:05AM BUT -- SORRY ABOUT THAT.
11:25:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO PROBLEM.
11:25:09AM WE JUST HAVE TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS.
11:25:12AM >> NO PROBLEM.
11:25:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COME ON UP SIR.
11:25:15AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:25:16AM NOW GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:25:18AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:25:20AM YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAND HERE.
11:25:21AM >> MY NAME IS MATTHEW JORDAN AND TO EMPHASIZE AS WELL THE
11:25:26AM REQUEST TO VACATE THE ALLEYWAY.
11:25:28AM I KNOW THE LAND USE COMMITTEE DENIED OR SUGGEST THAT YOU
11:25:31AM DENY THE REQUEST, BUT I WILL ENCOURAGE SOMEONE TO MAYBE GO
11:25:34AM OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE ALLEY.
11:25:36AM PICTURES WERE PROVIDED, BUT IT IS QUITE CLEAR THERE IS NO
11:25:39AM PUBLIC BENEFIT AT ALL IN THE WAY IT STANDS.
11:25:41AM ONE SIDE OF THE ALLEY IS COMPLETELY BLOCKED.
11:25:44AM THERE IS A STRUCTURE FROM A LAND OWN THERE IS NOT PRESENT
11:25:47AM TODAY THAT IS ACTUALLY BLOCKING THE ENTIRE WIDTH OF THE
11:25:50AM ALLEY.
11:25:51AM LIKE HE MENTIONED THIS -- THE ADJACENT ALLEYWAY WITH THE
11:25:55AM CLUSTER OF HOUSES NEXT TO OURS IS VACATED.
11:25:58AM DEFINITELY WANT TO ENCOURAGE PUBLIC BENEFIT OF THE ALLEYWAY,
11:26:02AM BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE OWNERS ON BOTH SIDES OF IT, THERE
11:26:05AM IS NO BENEFIT BEING HAD AS FAR AS HAVING RIGHT-OF-WAY ACCESS
11:26:09AM TO VEHICLES.
11:26:09AM IN ADDITION, THE INTEREST OF THE LANDOWNER.
11:26:18AM AND SETBACKS ARE AN ISSUE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS WHERE WE
11:26:22AM ARE LOOK TO INVEST FURTHER IN INNER CITY HOUSING, ADU AND WE
11:26:28AM ARE LOOKING TO BENEFIT THE PROPERTY LINES THAT YOU OWN.
11:26:32AM AND THE ALLEYWAY IS REQUIRING US TO HAVE THAT BE ADDITIONAL
11:26:37AM BUFFER OF THE SETBACK.
11:26:38AM THREE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
11:26:39AM THE MAIN REASON WE ARE LOOKING AT TRYING TO VACATE THE
11:26:43AM ALLEYWAY FOR OWNERS SURROUNDING THE UNUSABLE ENDS OF IT CAN
11:26:47AM BENEFIT AND TAKE USE OF THAT SPACE SO WE CAN PUT AN ADU ON
11:26:51AM THE PROPERTY AND STILL HAVE THAT KIND OF THREE-FOOT SETBACK.
11:26:55AM WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO PROPOSE IS INITIAL OWNERSHIP OF THAT
11:26:59AM LAND AS FAR AS BOTH SIDES OF THE ALLEY.
11:27:02AM THE NEIGHBOR ON THE OTHER SIDE MEANING THEY WILL HAVE ACCESS
11:27:04AM TIME PROVE IF THEY WANT THAT THREE FEET.
11:27:06AM MISS LYNN -- DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION?
11:27:10AM NO.
11:27:10AM THE IDEA IS NOT TO REALLY ASSUME THE LAND OF THE ALLEY WAY
11:27:19AM BUT MAXIMIZE THE USE OF THE LAND WE ALREADY OWN AND SETBACK
11:27:24AM IS A BIG ISSUE.
11:27:25AM THE LETTER FROM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT SAID THEY WILL BE
11:27:27AM WILLING TO ENFORCE SOME OF THE CODES SO THE OWNERS AND THE
11:27:30AM BUSINESSES ON THE EAST SIDE BLOCKING ACCESS TO THE ALLEY
11:27:34AM MAYBE WOULD BE ENCOURAGED TO CORRECT THAT.
11:27:35AM BUT THANK YOU.
11:27:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:27:42AM NEXT SPEAKER, STATE YOUR NAME.
11:27:45AM >> I AM DONALD MUSSELMAN, AND HERE REPRESENTING MY PARENTS
11:27:49AM WHO OWN THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS ON THE CORNER THAT WERE
11:27:52AM BASICALLY SHOWN BLOCKING ACCESS TO THE ALLEY FROM THERE.
11:27:55AM JUST TO REITERATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE SAID.
11:27:58AM IT HAS JUST BEEN A PROBLEM OVER THE YEARS WITH TRASH BEING
11:28:02AM DUMPED IN THE AREA.
11:28:03AM AND HOMELESS PEOPLE LIVING THERE.
11:28:05AM AND I REALLY HAVE NOT SEEN ANY ACCESS -- I DON'T BELIEVE
11:28:09AM ANYTHING GOING DOWN THAT ALLEY.
11:28:10AM WE DO HAVE A SEWER GOING THROUGH THE ALLEY THAT IS
11:28:13AM NORTH-SOUTH BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS.
11:28:15AM SO JUST WANT TO STATE SUPPORT FOR CLOSING THE ALLEY.
11:28:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:28:21AM ANYBODY ELSE?
11:28:23AM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
11:28:23AM YOU HAD YOUR MIC ON?
11:28:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION TO CLOSE.
11:28:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
11:28:28AM ANY -- ANY REBUTTAL?
11:28:31AM ANYTHING ELSE?
11:28:32AM NO?
11:28:33AM IF NOT, A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
11:28:35AM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:28:37AM WAIT, MR. SAMONS.
11:28:39AM >>ROSS SAMONS: UP APOLOGIZE, ROSS SAMONS DEVELOPMENT
11:28:43AM COORDINATION.
11:28:43AM I DO WANT TO SAY THAT JONATHAN SCOTT IS ONLINE FOR
11:28:46AM TRANSPORTATION IF HE WANTS TO SPEAK TO HIS OBJECTION, HE
11:28:51AM SHOULD BE AVAILABLE.
11:28:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JONATHAN SCOTT, ANYTHING YOU WISH TO ADD
11:28:57AM AT THIS TIME?
11:28:59AM YOU MIGHT BE MUTED.
11:29:00AM >>JONATHAN SCOTT: THERE WE GO.
11:29:07AM HELLO, JONATHAN SCOTT WITH THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
11:29:11AM OUR OBJECTIONS WERE THERE IS A NEWLY CREATED OVERLAY IN THE
11:29:14AM TAMPA HEIGHTS, WHICH -- WHICH ENCOURAGES THE USE OF ALLEYS.
11:29:19AM THAT WAS THE MAIN REASON FOR OUR OBJECTION.
11:29:23AM AND I BELIEVE THERE ARE CITY UTILITIES IN THE ALLEY TOO.
11:29:29AM A WASTEWATER LINE.
11:29:30AM I THINK THEY ARE REQUESTING EASEMENT.
11:29:33AM AND URBAN DESIGN HAD THE SAME OBJECTION THAT MOBILITY HAS.
11:29:38AM THE -- JUST -- TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
11:29:41AM YOU KNOW THESE -- THESE ARE ISSUES.
11:29:44AM AND THE VACATING OF THE ALLEY WILL CREATE, YOU KNOW, NEW
11:29:48AM PROPERTY LINES AND SO FORTH.
11:29:49AM AND SOMETIMES IT CAN BE -- IT CAN BE -- WITH THE NEW OVERLAY
11:29:57AM AND ALL THAT, IT WILL BE TOUGHER TO.
11:30:01AM YOU CAN'T ACCESS THROUGH THE ALLEY ANYMORE.
11:30:04AM KEEP THAT IN PERSPECTIVE.
11:30:06AM THAT IS WHAT I WANTED TO ADD.
11:30:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN
11:30:11AM CLENDENIN.
11:30:11AM SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:30:15AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
11:30:16AM OPPOSED?
11:30:18AM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
11:30:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HEAR THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND I GET THEIR
11:30:22AM INTEREST IN THIS; HOWEVER, WE MAKE THESE LAND USE DECISIONS.
11:30:26AM NOT ABOUT -- WE ARE ALL ON THIS EARTH FOR JUST A PERIOD OF
11:30:28AM TIME AND THEN WE ARE DUST.
11:30:29AM AND THE CITY -- THE CITY LIVES ON.
11:30:33AM AND THESE LAND USES AND HOW WE DEVELOP THE CITY OF TAMPA IS
11:30:36AM HOPEFULLY IN PERPETUITY.
11:30:38AM ONCE WE GIVE UP OUR ALLEYS, THEY ARE GONE FOREVER.
11:30:41AM AS YOU HEARD FROM OUR STAFF, WE HAVE ADOPTED AN OVERLAY
11:30:49AM DISTRICT FOR THIS PAIR I CAN'T TO DEVELOP FOR THE FUTURE
11:30:52AM LAND USE OF THE TAMPA HEIGHTS AREA.
11:30:54AM AND ALLEYS ARE VERY MUCH MONDAY INTEGRAL PART OF A.
11:30:58AM WHILE I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THAT AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE
11:31:02AM AS A CITY WE ARE ENFORCING THE RULES AS FAR AS TRASH ISSUE
11:31:05AM ARE BUT THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY GERMANE TO THE ISSUE OF A
11:31:10AM VACATION AND THE FACT THERE MAY BE ISSUES WITH ONE PROPERTY
11:31:14AM OWNER HAVING CREATING AN OBSTACLE.
11:31:18AM A PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED.
11:31:20AM BUT, AGAIN, AN OVERLAY DISTRICT OF FUTURE LAND USE HOW THE
11:31:25AM CITY WILL DEVELOP AND LOOK OVER THE NEXT 25, 50, 100 YEARS.
11:31:29AM THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE TO BE LOOKING AT STRONGLY.
11:31:32AM UNFORTUNATELY, I WILL BE VOTING AGAINST THE VACATION.
11:31:34AM BUT I WANTED TO EXPLAIN WHY.
11:31:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND THEN MIRANDA.
11:31:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AGREE.
11:31:39AM I MEAN WE JUST PASSED THIS TAMPA HEIGHTS OVERLAY NOT THAT
11:31:43AM LONG AGO.
11:31:43AM WE SEED A LETTER FROM THE TAMPA HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD
11:31:47AM ASSOCIATION VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED TO THAT PAUSE OF THIS OF THE
11:31:50AM NEW TAMPA HEIGHTS OVERLAY THAT WAS DONE.
11:31:52AM THIS IS THE URBAN CORE, WHERE WE ARE WORKING TO GET CARS OFF
11:31:55AM OF STREETS AND DRIVEWAYS OUT OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND INTO THE
11:31:59AM ALLEYWAYS.
11:31:59AM WE DO NOT HAVE ALLEYWAYS IN A LOT OF THE CITY.
11:32:02AM I WAS FORMALLY A TRUSTEE WITH OLD SELL HOME IN HEIGHTS
11:32:09AM NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND WE HAD THE EXACT SAME ISSUE.
11:32:12AM WE WORKED REALLY HARD TO MAINTAIN OUR ALLEYS.
11:32:15AM ONE THINGS I WILL ENCOURAGE STAFF TO DO WORK WITH THE
11:32:18AM NEIGHBORS TO MAKE SURE WE GET CODE COMPLIANCE.
11:32:20AM I SAW A STRUCTURE IN THAT PHOTO THAT IS COMPLETELY ILLEGAL.
11:32:24AM YOU CAN NOT FENCE OFF AN ALLEY.
11:32:27AM SIMPLY NOT ACCEPTABLE AND I AM SURPRISED THAT -- AND
11:32:29AM HOPEFULLY THEY TURNED THAT IN WHEN THEY TOOK THOSE PHOTOS.
11:32:35AM I AM HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION WHEN MR. MIRANDA IS FINISHED.
11:32:39AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM FINE.
11:32:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE ALREADY CLOSED THE HEARING.
11:32:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, I MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE VAC 24-04
11:32:50AM FOR AN APPLICATION BY ANTONIO GOMES TO VACATE THE EAST
11:32:57AM VALLEY NORTH OF VIRGINIA PARK STREET, NORTH OF VIRGINIA PARK
11:33:02AM AVENUE, SOUTH OF SELMA AVENUE AND EAST OF FLORIDA AVENUE AND
11:33:06AM WEST OF SUWANNEE AVENUE MAINLY BECAUSE ALLEYS ARE A VITAL
11:33:10AM PART OF THE TAMPA URBAN CORE.
11:33:12AM AND THE JUST PASSED TAMPA HEIGHTS OVERLAY REALLY SIGNIFIES
11:33:21AM OR ENCOURAGES THE USE OF ALLEYS.
11:33:23AM AND STAFF.
11:33:24AM STAFF THOUGHT IT WAS NOT A GOOD IDEA AND ADDITIONALLY -- I
11:33:32AM WILL STOP THERE.
11:33:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND
11:33:38AM SECONDED FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
11:33:39AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
11:33:41AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:33:42AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:33:45AM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:33:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
11:33:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES.
11:33:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:33:49AM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:33:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:33:55AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:33:56AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I NEED FOR THE CITY TO BE MORE SPECIFIC
11:33:58AM WHEN IT SAYS IN THE FUTURE.
11:34:00AM AT LEAST PUT IT WITHIN 25 YEARS, 50 YEARS OR 5,000 YEARS.
11:34:05AM THE FUTURE MAY NOT GET THERE.
11:34:07AM WHEN THEY SAY IT WILL BE DONE.
11:34:09AM HOW FAR COME IT HAVEN'T BEEN DONE BEFORE?
11:34:11AM I AM JUST -- I WANT TO BE MORE DIRECT WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS
11:34:14AM LIKE THIS THAT I GET THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED.
11:34:16AM WE ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING.
11:34:17AM BUT NEVER DO THEY TELL YOU WHEN OR HOW OR HOW IT WILL BE
11:34:21AM DONE.
11:34:21AM I NEED TO GET SOMETHING DOWN JUST LIKE I NEED IT DONE IN THE
11:34:25AM ENVIRONMENT.
11:34:25AM TO SIT HERE AND JUST LISTEN IS ONE THING.
11:34:28AM BUT WHEN A CITY MAKES A PRESENTATION AND SAYS IN THE FUTURE,
11:34:33AM THAT CAN BE 5,000 -- I DON'T THINK NONE OF US WILL BE HERE.
11:34:39AM MAYBE YOU, MR. CLENDENIN.
11:34:41AM WE CAN'T JUST SAY SOMETHING AND SAY THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
11:34:44AM EVERYBODY WILL BE HAPPY.
11:34:45AM THAT IS WONDERFUL.
11:34:46AM BUT I GOT TO KNOW WHEN.
11:34:47AM AT THIS TIME WE HAVE ITEM 64 TO BE TAKEN WITH 75.
11:34:56AM AND PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
11:35:05AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: GOOD MORNING, ANDREA ZELMAN, CITY ATTORNEY.
11:35:08AM 75 WAS SIMPLY THE MOTION ASKING ME TO BRING FORTH IN
11:35:12AM RESOLUTION WHICH IS ITEM 64.
11:35:14AM AS YOU WILL RECALL, THIS RELATES TO A PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION
11:35:21AM THAT IS PRESENTLY BY STATUTE PROVIDED FOR PROPERTIES THAT
11:35:28AM ARE DEVELOPED AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE 80 TO 120%
11:35:34AM AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME BRACKET THE LEGISLATURE THIS YEAR GAVE
11:35:42AM LOCAL GOVERNMENTS THE OPTION TO OPT OUT OF PROVIDING
11:35:48AM PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION FOR PROPERTIES IN THAT BRACKET.
11:35:51AM THIS IS THE BRACKET THAT IN THE PAST WAS REFERRED TO AS THE
11:35:55AM MISSING MIDDLE.
11:35:56AM 80% AND BELOW IS WHAT MOST OF US THINK OF AS THE MOST
11:36:02AM NECESSARY AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS OVER
11:36:05AM TIME STUDIES HAVE SHOWN IN SOME AREAS, THERE IS ADEQUATE
11:36:12AM HOUSING IN THE 80% TO 120% RANGE AND SOME OF THE MARKET
11:36:17AM RATES HAVE ADJUSTED TO THE 80% TO 120% IS, IN FACT, MARKET
11:36:22AM RATE WHICH IS WHY THE LEGISLATURE HAS NOW GIVEN CERTAIN
11:36:26AM LOCAL GOVERNMENTS THE ABILITY TO OPT OUT OF PROVIDING
11:36:30AM PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION BECAUSE THERE IS NO NEED TO
11:36:34AM INCENTIVIZE THE DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT THAT
11:36:39AM PARTICULAR RATE OR RANGE.
11:36:40AM SO AS I PREVIOUSLY TOLD YOU, PASCO COUNTY HAS ALREADY OPTED
11:36:47AM OUT.
11:36:47AM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY HAS ALREADY OPTED OUT.
11:36:49AM AND ORLANDO, SEVERAL OF -- ORANGE COUNTY AND ORLANDO.
11:36:53AM MOST OF THE JUROR JURISDICTIONS THAT CAN ARE TAKING
11:36:58AM ADVANTAGE OF THE ABILITY TO OPT OUT.
11:37:03AM THE SHIMBERG CENTER OF THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA HAS TO HAVE
11:37:08AM FOUND THERE IS AN ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF HOUSING IN THAT RANGE.
11:37:13AM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY OF WHICH TAMPA IS LOCATED IDENTIFIED AS
11:37:17AM THE SHIMBERG CENTER AS HAVING ADEQUATE HOUSING IN THAT
11:37:21AM RANGE.
11:37:21AM FOR ALL THESE REASONS, I HAVE PREPARED THE RESOLUTION IF YOU
11:37:26AM WANT TO GO FORWARD TODAY, IT HAS TO BE ADOPT BY TWO-THIRDS
11:37:33AM OF COUNCIL AND WHAT IT MEANS, THE CITY WILL NOT PROVIDE A
11:37:37AM PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION OF 75% FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE
11:37:40AM DEVELOPED IN THAT 80% TO 120% AMI RANGE.
11:37:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:37:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON
11:37:50AM THIS.
11:37:51AM I TRULY APPRECIATE IT.
11:37:52AM WE NEED TO INCENTIVIZE HOUSING IN THE AREAS WE REALLY NEED
11:37:56AM IT.
11:37:56AM I APPRECIATE THE LEGISLATURE ALLOWING USES TO DO THIS OPT
11:38:00AM OUT.
11:38:00AM THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR WORK ON GETTING THIS DONE.
11:38:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:38:06AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO ECHO THE SAME THING THAT MISS
11:38:08AM HURTAK SAID.
11:38:09AM I APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK AND CONTINUING TO MAKE THE CITY
11:38:13AM A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND THIS WILL NOT HELP EVERYBODY OUT,
11:38:18AM BECAUSE IT IS NOT NEED AND NOT ENOUGH HOUSING.
11:38:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
11:38:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
11:38:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT, WE NEED PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:38:28AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: FOR THE RECORD, MISS POYNOR WHO IS COMING
11:38:33AM UP WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO BRING TO OUR ATTENTION THAT THE
11:38:36AM MARKET RATES AND THE 80% TO 120% WAS STARTING TO OVERLAP.
11:38:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:38:44AM >> THANK YOU, ANDREA.
11:38:45AM I AM STEPHANIE POYNOR AND THING IS A GREAT IDEA.
11:38:49AM THE NUMBERS SHOW WE NEED LOWER INCOME HOUSING AND PLEASE
11:38:53AM REMEMBER WE SHOULD NOT BE DOING LOW-INCOME HOUSING IN THE
11:38:58AM EVACUATION ZONE A, BECAUSE WE ARE PUTTING THOSE FOLKS AT
11:39:01AM RISK.
11:39:01AM AND I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA.
11:39:04AM ESPECIALLY WHEN I GOT TWO DEVELOPERS WHO ONLY WANTON DO 120%
11:39:12AM WITHIN LESS THAN A MILE FROM MY HOUSE IN THE COASTAL HIGH
11:39:16AM HAZARD AND BOTH REALLY CRAPPY PLANS.
11:39:19AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:39:20AM HAVE A GOOD DAY.
11:39:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE?
11:39:23AM A MOTION TO CLOSE.
11:39:24AM A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:39:26AM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
11:39:28AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
11:39:29AM SOMEONE MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
11:39:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
11:39:32AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 64 AND 65.
11:39:34AM --
11:39:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
11:39:38AM CLENDENIN TO MOVE 64 AND SECONDED BY MIRANDA.
11:39:41AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
11:39:42AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:39:45AM CLENDENIN CLEAN BECAUSE IT IS TEXT, DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A
11:39:48AM ROLL CALL?
11:39:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST READ IT BECAUSE TWO-THIRDS.
11:39:52AM >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:39:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, YES?
11:39:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WAS JUST WONDERING WE HAVE 20 MINUTES
11:40:00AM BEFORE LUNCH AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE OUR WASTE ENERGY
11:40:03AM PEOPLE HERE.
11:40:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SORRY.
11:40:04AM ALL RIGHT.
11:40:09AM LET'S DO THAT AND GET IT OUT OF THE WAY.
11:40:13AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:40:15AM SHOULD THIS GO UP 12:00, FINISH THEM UP OR WILL YOU END DO
11:40:21AM YOU THINK WITHIN 20 MINUTES?
11:40:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS IS JUST A REPORT ON THE STATUS COUNTY
11:40:25AM McKAY BAY WASTE ENERGY FACILITY.
11:40:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT IS VERY QUICK AND LARRY WASHINGTON IS
11:40:31AM HERE.
11:40:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE CAN'T MAKE LARRY COME BACK.
11:40:35AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY QUESTION, THE COUNCIL WILL TAKE LUNCH
11:40:38AM RECESS AT NOON.
11:40:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF WE GET DONE EARLIER THAN THIS, WE
11:40:42AM WILL BREAK.
11:40:42AM BECAUSE WE HAD THAT 1:30 HEARING THAT IS TRICKY.
11:40:45AM YES, SIR, MR. BAIRD.
11:40:53AM >>BRAD BAIRD: DO YOU WANT TO HEAR 71?
11:40:56AM BRAD BAIRD, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
11:40:59AM HERE ON 71 ON THE McKAY BAY WASTE ENERGY IMPROVEMENT
11:41:05AM PROJECT.
11:41:05AM WE REFERRED TO IT IN SHORT AS THE WASTE ENERGY RETROFIT
11:41:13AM PROJECT.
11:41:13AM WE HAVE OUR ENTIRE TEAM, THE LEADERSHIP TEAM TO ANSWER
11:41:15AM QUESTIONS THAT I CAN'T ANSWER.
11:41:16AM AND WITH THAT, IF WE CAN PULL UP THE PRESENTATION.
11:41:19AM AND I WILL GET GOING.
11:41:24AM BEFORE I LEAVE THE FIRST SLIDE.
11:41:26AM THAT IS A PICTURE OF THE WASTE ENERGY PLANT BEFORE THE
11:41:34AM RETROFIT.
11:41:35AM AND THIS A PICTURE OF THE WASTE ENERGY PLANT AFTER THE
11:41:40AM RETROFIT.
11:41:41AM YOU CAN SEE THE CHANGES THERE.
11:41:44AM THIS PROJECT IS VERY NEAR TO BEING SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE.
11:41:48AM AND WE -- WE ARE NOW PRIMARILY IN THE PUNCH LIST PHASE.
11:41:53AM PLANT IS FULLY OPERATIONAL.
11:41:55AM WE HAVE ISSUED THE CONTRACTOR LETTER DESCRIBING THE
11:41:59AM REMAINING ITEMS TO BE COMPLETED BEFORE WE ISSUE A
11:42:03AM CERTIFICATE OF SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION.
11:42:06AM SO THERE IS ARREST OF THE SUB PROJECTS.
11:42:09AM THE TURBIN GENERATOR REFURBISHMENT IS A MAIN DRIVER UPGRADE
11:42:17AM OF FACILITY CONTROLS, NATURAL GAS BURNERS AND PIPING,
11:42:21AM COOLING TOWER, REPLACEMENT, MAIN CONDENSER AND CIRCULATING
11:42:27AM WATER SYSTEM, EXPELLER, VIBRATE, PUG MILLS, REFUGE CRANES,
11:42:34AM ASH BUILDING, REPAIR SCALPEL BUILDING, DUST MASTER SCREENS
11:42:40AM AND ASH EQUIPMENT.
11:42:41AM AND THEN FINALLY STACK FLUES REPLACEMENT.
11:42:46AM I WILL GO THROUGH EACH OF THOSE SUB PROJECTS AS QUICKLY AS I
11:42:52AM CAN.
11:42:52AM THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT IS THE TURBIN END OF THE TURBIN
11:42:55AM GENERATOR WHAT A REFURBISHED TURBIN LOOKS LIKE BEFORE WE
11:43:00AM CLOSE IT UP WITH THE CASING IN THE TOP DIAGRAMS.
11:43:04AM AS YOU RECALL, WE HAVE GONE OVER NINE YEARS FROM THE LAST
11:43:08AM REFURBISHMENT FROM THIS TURBIN GENERATOR.
11:43:12AM REFURBISHED EVERY FIVE YEARS.
11:43:16AM SO THIS WAS NUMBER ONE DRIVERS I SAID A MINUTE AGO.
11:43:21AM WE -- WHEN WE OPENED IT UP, WEST STEAM DAMAGE.
11:43:25AM BUT IT WAS IN A LITTLE BIT BETTER SHAPE THAN WE THOUGHT IT
11:43:32AM WAS GOING TO BE IN AND IT WAS REPAIRABLE WHICH IS VERY GOOD
11:43:35AM NEWS.
11:43:35AM THE NEXT PROJECT OUR MAIN CONTROL SYSTEM WAS GROSSLY
11:43:43AM OUT-OF-DATE.
11:43:44AM AND I THINK SOME OF YOU TOURED THE FACILITY AND SOME OF YOU
11:43:47AM --
11:43:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT LOOKED LIKE A "STAR WARS."
11:43:52AM >> NO, IT WAS WORSE.
11:43:54AM THAT HAS ALL BEEN UPGRADED.
11:44:00AM MONITORS ON THE LEFT AND THE MAIN CONTROL SERVERS ON THE
11:44:04AM RIGHT.
11:44:04AM THE NEXT PROJECT IS FOUR NATURAL GAS BURNERS AND ASSOCIATED
11:44:09AM PIPING THAT IS ALL BRAND-NEW.
11:44:10AM THEY ARE USED TO START UP THE FURNACES AND FOR HEAT BOOST
11:44:15AM ESPECIALLY WHEN THE GARBAGE IS WET LIKE IT HAS BEEN
11:44:19AM RECENTLY.
11:44:20AM WE NEED TO KEEP IT BURNING AND KEEP IT HOT TO PRODUCE STEAM.
11:44:24AM THE NEXT ONE IS COOLING TOWER REPLACEMENT.
11:44:30AM THIS IS ONE WHERE THE SCOPE DIDN'T CHANGE.
11:44:33AM WE KNEW WE HAD TO REPLACE THE COOLING TOWER FROM THE GET-GO.
11:44:38AM THE OLD COOLING TOWER ON THE LEFT.
11:44:41AM THE NEW COOLING TOWER ON THE RIGHT.
11:44:43AM THE OLD ONE HAD WOODEN SLATS THAT HAD TO BE REPLACED ON A
11:44:47AM CONTINUAL BASIS AND IT WAS -- I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU
11:44:52AM CLIMBED UP ON THE TOWER BUT PRETTY EVIDENT IT NEEDED TO BE
11:44:55AM REPLACED.
11:44:56AM THE NEW COOLING TOWER HAS FIBERGLASS SLATS AND SLIGHTLY MORE
11:45:01AM EFFICIENT.
11:45:01AM I TONIGHT HAVE A PICTURE OF THE MAIN CONDENSER FOR YOU.
11:45:09AM BUT THESE ARE PICTURES OF THE CIRCULATING WATER SYSTEM.
11:45:13AM THE MAIN CONDENSER CONDENSES STEAM TO WATER AND TO SEND BACK
11:45:18AM TO THE BOILERS -- IMMEDIATELY BACK TO THE BOILERS.
11:45:20AM THEN THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT IS A NEW CIRCULATING WATER
11:45:24AM SYSTEM PUMP.
11:45:26AM ON THE RIGHT IS THE CIRCULATING WATER PIPING IN LIGHT GREEN.
11:45:29AM THE CIRCULATING WATER IS USED TO COOL THE STEAM AND THEN, OF
11:45:35AM COURSE, IT IS CIRCULATED BACK THROUGH THE COOLING TOWER.
11:45:38AM WE HAD TO BUILD A RATHER ROBUST TRUSS SYSTEM THAT WAS NOT
11:45:46AM PLANNED FROM THE BEGINNING TO SUPPORT THE UP-SIZED PIPING WE
11:45:50AM NEEDED FOR THE NEW COOLING TOWER.
11:45:53AM AND THIS NEXT ONE IS TO INSTALL FOUR NEW EXPELLERS.
11:46:00AM VIBRATORY CONVEYORS AND NEW PUG MILLS FOR THE FLY ASH.
11:46:04AM THE EXPELLER IS A BRICK RED UNIT THERE ON RIGHT.
11:46:10AM ONE OF THE EXPELLERS.
11:46:11AM AND ONE OF THE NEW VIBRATORY CONVEYORS PLANTED BLUE IS BELOW
11:46:18AM THE EXPELLER THERE.
11:46:20AM AND THAT IS THE CONVEYOR ON THE RIGHT.
11:46:22AM THE EXPELLERS ARE USED TO EXPEL METALS AND BOTTLE ASH.
11:46:32AM WE INSTALLED TWO NEW REFUSE CRANES FOR LIFTING THE GARBAGE
11:46:38AM INTO THE HOPPERS THAT FEED THE FURNACES.
11:46:42AM THEN -- ORIGINALLY WE HAD PLANNED TO REPAIR THE EXISTING ASH
11:46:49AM BUILDING BUT UPON FULL INSPECTION FROM THE DESIGN-BUILD
11:46:55AM TEAM, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THE BUILDING WAS BEYOND REPAIR
11:46:58AM AND NEEDED TO BE REPLACED.
11:46:59AM AND COLLECTIVELY WE DETERMINED THAT IT WAS NECESSARY TO
11:47:02AM REPLACE THE BUILDING.
11:47:04AM THE OLD ASH BUILDING IS ON THE LEFT.
11:47:07AM THE NEW ONE IS ON THE RIGHT.
11:47:10AM AND I WANT TO READ TO YOU THE FIRST TASK REQUIRED OF THE
11:47:13AM DESIGN BUILDER THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE DESIGN CRITERIA
11:47:17AM PACKAGE.
11:47:18AM DESIGN-BUILD SERVICES SHALL INCLUDE BUT NOT BE LIMITED TO
11:47:22AM SURVEY AND VERIFICATION OF ALL EXISTING CONDITIONS INCLUDING
11:47:28AM ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE, UTILITY COORDINATION.
11:47:30AM REGULATORY PERMIT.
11:47:32AM PERMITTING AND ULTIMATE CONSTRUCTION OF ALL SITE AMENITIES
11:47:36AM NECESSARY TO PROVIDE THE NEEDED UPGRADES, REPAIRS AND OR
11:47:39AM REPLACEMENTS IN EQUIPMENT BUILDINGS AND SITE INFRASTRUCTURE.
11:47:44AM THAT IS THE FIRST THING THAT THEY NEEDED TO DO AND THE
11:47:49AM PRIMARY DRIVER OF WHY WE HAVE SOME SCOPE CHANGES OF SOME OF
11:47:53AM THESE SUB PROJECTS.
11:47:54AM AND THEN WE HAVE TO REPAIR THE SCALPER BUILDING WHICH WAS IN
11:48:03AM THE ORIGINAL SCOPE TO REPAIR WHICH, UNLIKE THE ASH BUILDING,
11:48:08AM IT WAS REPAIRABLE.
11:48:08AM WE DIDN'T HAVE TO REPLACE IT.
11:48:10AM I HAD SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURAL REPAIRS, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO DO
11:48:17AM THAT.
11:48:17AM THEN, OF COURSE, YOU SEE THE NEW DUST MASTER ON THE RIGHT.
11:48:21AM AND THE NEW SCREENS AND FLY ASH HOPPER NOTICE LEFT PICTURE.
11:48:26AM AND THEN FINALLY -- I THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE AN INTERESTING
11:48:35AM SUB PROJECT.
11:48:35AM IT WAS NECESSARY TO REPLACE THE BOTTOM 30 FEET OF THE
11:48:40AM FOUR FLUES INSIDE THE STACK.
11:48:42AM THAT STACK YOU SEE ON THE LEFT HAS FOUR STEEL TUBES, FULL,
11:48:48AM OR FLUES INSIDE THE STACK.
11:48:52AM ON THE RIGHT IS THE INSIDE OF THE BOTTOM OF THE STACK AFTER
11:48:56AM IT WAS COMPLETED.
11:48:57AM SPACE IS VERY TIGHT.
11:49:01AM AND REPLACEMENT OF THE FLUES HAD TO BE CAREFULLY PLANNED.
11:49:07AM VERY INTERESTING HOW THEY DID THAT.
11:49:08AM EACH FLUE HAD FIVE, SIX-FOOT SECTIONS OF STEEL CASINGS THAT
11:49:15AM HAD TO BE WELDED IN PLACE.
11:49:18AM NEXT WE WILL GO THROUGH THE PROJECT TIMELINE.
11:49:21AM IN OCTOBER 2023, WE STARTED SOME FREE OUTAGE CONSTRUCTION.
11:49:26AM AND THEN THE -- IN LATE JANUARY, WE STARTED WASTE DIVERSIONS
11:49:32AM TO TRY TO EMPTY THE PIT TO GET IT READY TO INSTALL THE
11:49:37AM CRANES.
11:49:37AM AND -- AND THEN FEBRUARY 15 WAS THE INITIAL PART OUTAGE AND
11:49:45AM SHUT DOWN THE FACILITY.
11:49:46AM THEN YOU MIGHT RECALL ON OUR LAST BRIEFING, WE TALKED ABOUT
11:49:54AM REDUCING IT THE EARLY MORNING AND LATE EVENING SCALE HOUSE
11:49:57AM HOURS A APPROVE LOGISTICS.
11:50:01AM AND VERY PLEASED TO REPORT NO DELAYS IN COLLECTIONS.
11:50:05AM AND THAT IS A TRIBUTE TO LARRY AND HIS TEAM.
11:50:08AM THEY REALLY DID A GREAT JOB ON THAT.
11:50:11AM BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE SOME DELAYS.
11:50:15AM I REPORTED THAT TO YOU LAST TIME.
11:50:18AM JUNE 18, WAS A COMPLETION OF THE OUT AND WE STARTED
11:50:21AM COMMISSION.
11:50:23AM AND IN FULL TRANSPARENCY, THE COMMISSION TOOK A LITTLE
11:50:27AM LONGER THAN WE THOUGHT.
11:50:28AM AND MY NEXT SLIDE, I WILL GO THROUGH SOME OF THOSE REASONS.
11:50:32AM WE -- DURING THE COMMISSION PERIOD, WE HAVE A FEW DAY OF
11:50:40AM DIVERTING.
11:50:40AM A FEW DAYS OF NO DIVERTING AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN, I
11:50:45AM GUESS.
11:50:48AM FINALLY, WE ARE -- OH, I AM SORRY, AUGUST 30, WE HAVE BEEN
11:50:54AM OPERATING -- THE PLANT HAS BEEN OPERATING IN FULL EVER SINCE
11:50:58AM AUGUST 30.
11:50:58AM AND WE NEED A WAY TO DIVERT WASTE; HOWEVER, IF WE HAVE
11:51:07AM ADDITIONAL RAINS AND THIS HAS NOTHING DO WITH THE CONTRACT.
11:51:12AM WE MAY HAVE DIVERT WASTE AGAIN.
11:51:14AM ONLY IF WE HAVE THE RAINS THAT WE HAD A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
11:51:19AM THEN TWO YEARS OUT, WE HAVE A PLANNED OUTAGE.
11:51:24AM THAT WILL PROBABLY BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF SEVEN TO TEN
11:51:28AM DAYS.
11:51:29AM DEPENDING ON THE DIFFICULTY TO REPLACE SIX TRANSFORMERS AND
11:51:36AM A MAIN TRANSFORMER AND AUXILIARY TRANSFORM 80 VOLT
11:51:46AM TRANSFORMER.
11:51:46AM ELECTRICAL AND INSTRUMENTATION EQUIPMENT IS THE LONGEST LEAD
11:51:51AM TIME OF ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS.
11:51:52AM THESE TRANSFORMERS ARE AT LEAST TWO YEARS OUT.
11:51:56AM BUT THE PLANNED OUTAGE AND INSTALLATION IS SOMETIME IN THE
11:52:01AM FALL OF 2026.
11:52:03AM SO I AM TRYING TO ANSWER COUNCILWOMAN'S QUESTIONS.
11:52:07AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S QUESTIONS, SOME OF THEM, AND WE ARE
11:52:11AM NOT GOING TO GET TO ALL OF THEM IN THIS PRESENTATION.
11:52:13AM NEXT SLIDE.
11:52:18AM SO SOME -- THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF DELAYS DURING THE
11:52:25AM COMMISSION.
11:52:26AM THE FIRST ONE ELECTRICAL WIRING AND CONTROL ISSUES.
11:52:29AM I WILL GIVE YOU THREE EXAMPLES.
11:52:32AM WE HAVE SOME GAS BURNERS, TUNING AND PROGRAMMING ISSUES.
11:52:36AM WE HAD CONTROL VALVE ISSUES.
11:52:44AM DUMP SETTINGS.
11:52:45AM JUST TO NAME THREE OF THEM.
11:52:47AM THE NEXT ONE, WE HAD HIGH VOLTAGE COMING.
11:52:52AM THIS TO OUR 4106 TRANSFORMER WHICH IS OUR AUXILIARY
11:52:58AM TRANSFORMER.
11:52:59AM THE VOLTAGE WAS HIGH.
11:53:01AM IT WAS HIGHER AND PUT OUR EQUIPMENT OUT OF SPEC.
11:53:06AM WHICH COULD POSSIBLY PUT IT OUT OF WARRANTY.
11:53:09AM THIS IS NOT ON THE CONTRACTOR.
11:53:10AM THIS IS EXISTING EQUIPMENT.
11:53:12AM SO WE -- WE ACTUALLY CALLED -- I CALLED THE CEO OF TECO AND
11:53:19AM HE PUT TOGETHER A CREW FOR US BECAUSE THEY HAD TO CHANGE THE
11:53:23AM TAP SETTING ON THIS TRANSFORMER.
11:53:26AM SOMETHING WE DON'T DO AND THE CONTRACTOR DOESN'T DO AT ALL
11:53:31AM REALLY.
11:53:31AM BUT CERTAINLY NOT OUR REGULAR BASIS AND THEY CAME IN AND
11:53:36AM THAT CREW SPENT ALMOST LIKE 3/4 OF A DAY AND THEY GOT IT
11:53:44AM DONE.
11:53:45AM WE WERE A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT IT BECAUSE OF THE 39-YEAR-OLD
11:53:49AM TRANSFORMER.
11:53:49AM BUT IT WENT OFF WITHOUT YOU A HITCH.
11:53:55AM WE WERE PRETTY HAPPY OF THAT.
11:53:57AM AND MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS.
11:53:58AM OIL LEAK ON THE TURBIN GENERATOR WE HAD TO SHUT IT DOWN AND
11:54:03AM FIX THAT.
11:54:03AM TRIP SETTINGS NEED TO BE CHANGED ON SEVERAL PIECES OF
11:54:07AM EQUIPMENT THAT WERE TRIPPING OUT.
11:54:10AM CRANE GRAPPLE ISSUES THAT WE ACTUALLY CONTINUE TO HAVE AND
11:54:15AM IT WAS OPERATE TOO SLOWLY.
11:54:17AM WE WILL -- WE ARE USING ON ONE OF THEM.
11:54:19AM WE ARE USING THE OLD ONE UNTIL THE MANUFACTURER FIX IT IS.
11:54:24AM IT IS UNDER WARRANTY.
11:54:25AM THE PIPING REPAIRS ON THE EXPELLERS.
11:54:28AM AND THIS IS JUST TO NAME A FEW.
11:54:31AM I JUST PICKED OUT A FEW OF THE TURBIN GENERATOR
11:54:35AM SYNCHRONIZATION ISSUE.
11:54:36AM AND FINALLY, WE HAVE VERY WET GARBAGE FOR -- IN CERTAIN
11:54:46AM TIMES IN JULY AND AUGUST.
11:54:48AM SO GO THROUGH SOME OF FINANCIAL IMPACTS OF THE PROJECT.
11:54:57AM ON THE LEFT IS A REMINDER OF THE GMPs AND WHAT THEY WERE
11:55:02AM FOR.
11:55:03AM GMP WAS FOR EARLY PURCHASE OF EQUIPMENT.
11:55:06AM THAT WAS THE FIRST ONE THAT CITY COUNCIL APPROVED FOR $17
11:55:11AM MILLION.
11:55:11AM THAT WAS PAID OUT OF PAY GO OR CASH.
11:55:14AM GMP 2 AND 3 TOTALED $82.9 MILLION.
11:55:25AM THOSE WERE BOTH COVERED BY FINANCING.
11:55:28AM APPROVED BY YOU, I BELIEVE, LAST MONTH, I THINK.
11:55:33AM JUST A REMINDER THAT SOLID WASTE IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND AND
11:55:38AM FROM THE SENATE, THE UTILITY FEES FROM SOLID WASTE.
11:55:43AM SO BOTTOM LINE IS, WE ARE CURRENTLY UNDER THE GPM BUDGET OF
11:55:49AM ALMOST $100 MILLION.
11:55:52AM THEN I WILL GO THROUGH THE COST IMPACTS TO THE DEPARTMENT.
11:55:57AM WE HAD HAULING COST ON A FULL DIVERSION DAY.
11:56:02AM FULL I DID VERSION DAY, $107,000.
11:56:08AM OUR LOSS -- THIS IS ON AVERAGE CAN GO UP AND DOWN AND ON
11:56:11AM DAYS WHERE WE DIVERT LESS THEN FULL -- OBVIOUSLY LESS THAN
11:56:18AM $107,000.
11:56:19AM LOST ELECTRICAL REVIEW IS ABOUT $43,000 A DAY FOR SELLING
11:56:24AM THAT POWER TO SEMINOLE ELECTRIC.
11:56:29AM AND THEN WITH ALL THAT COMPLICATED.
11:56:32AM IF WE DIDN'T DO THIS PROJECT AND RAN THE PLANT TO FAILURE
11:56:42AM AND WE DIDN'T MAKE THAT CHOICE AND THE PROJECT PAYS FOR
11:56:46AM ITSELF IN LESS THAN THREE YEARS.
11:56:48AM FINALLY, THE TOTAL DIVERSION COST -- AND LARRY CAN GET INTO
11:56:53AM MORE DETAILS IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON THIS IS ALMOST $13
11:56:56AM MILLION OR $12.9 MILLION.
11:56:58AM FINALLY, SUPER PROUD OF THE WASTE ENERGY TEAM BEHIND ME.
11:57:08AM SOLID WASTE TEAM AND THE CAB TEAM FOR PULLING OFF YOU THIS
11:57:13AM RETROFIT.
11:57:13AM BY ALL ACCOUNTS, I THINK IT WAS A HUGE SUCCESS.
11:57:15AM WE GOT GOTH IT DONE.
11:57:19AM SO WITH THAT, I CAN EITHER -- CHAIRMAN, I CAN EITHER GO
11:57:23AM THROUGH SOME OF COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S QUESTIONS THAT I
11:57:27AM DIDN'T HIT IN THE PRESENTATION OR -- AND SOME WE WERE NOT
11:57:31AM ABLE TO ANSWER.
11:57:32AM WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME.
11:57:34AM OR JUST OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS.
11:57:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I THOUGHT THAT WAS WONDERFUL.
11:57:38AM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:57:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DO WANT TO START OF SAYING HOW AMAZING IT
11:57:44AM IS.
11:57:44AM >> I AM SORRY?
11:57:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HOW AMAZE NAG YOUR TEAM WAS ABLE TO GET IN
11:57:49AM DONE IN SUCH A WAY.
11:57:50AM I KNOW IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FINISHED ON MAY 1.
11:57:53AM AND TOOK ANOTHER SIX WEEKS TO GET IT UP AND RUNNING BUT YOU
11:57:59AM WENT THROUGH A LIST OF THE REASONING AS TO WHY.
11:58:01AM WE DON'T HAVE A TON OF TIME.
11:58:04AM I AM GOING TO ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE
11:58:07AM TRANSFORMERS.
11:58:08AM WHAT WILL BE THE DOWNTIME, IF ANY, WHEN THAT TAKES PLACE?
11:58:11AM WHAT IS YOUR -- YOUR PREDICTION ON THE DOWNTIME FOR THE
11:58:15AM GENERATOR REINSTALL?
11:58:17AM >> I EARLIER, SEVEN TO TEN DAYS PROBABLY.
11:58:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S IT?
11:58:24AM >> MUCH SHORTER THAN THIS OUTAGE.
11:58:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WITHIN TWO WEEKS.
11:58:27AM >> WITH THE CAVEAT YOU DON'T KNOW UNTIL YOU START THE WORK.
11:58:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OF COURSE.
11:58:32AM >> IF YOU FIND THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO CORRECT, HOPEFULLY WE
11:58:36AM WON'T HAVE TO CHANGE TAP SETTINGS AND THAT KIND OF THING.
11:58:39AM SEVEN TO TEN DAY IS RIGHT NOW WHAT WE ARE ESTIMATING HURTAK
11:58:43AM LAURA HOW MUCH OF THAT $99 MILLION CAPITAL PROJECT COST DOES
11:58:47AM THAT POURING OF THE CONTRACT REPRESENT?
11:58:51AM ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY?
11:58:52AM >> HOW MUCH MONEY DOES A --
11:58:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK: DOES THAT TRANSFORMER PORTION OF THE $99
11:58:58AM MILLION REPRESENT.
11:58:59AM >> $7 MILLION.
11:59:03AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE ARE STILL GOING TO BE OPEN $7 MILLION.
11:59:06AM SOME OF THAT IS PROBABLY ALREADY SPOKEN FOR BECAUSE PAYING
11:59:09AM FOR THE TRANSFORMER.
11:59:11AM I SEE A NOD I'M YOU.
11:59:14AM >> GLAD YOU ASKED THAT BECAUSE I DID NOT AYE DRESS THAT IN
11:59:17AM MY PRESENTATION.
11:59:17AM SO WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THAT OUT OF THE CONTRACT IN THE
11:59:20AM FINAL CHANGE ORDER AND PURCHASE THIS DIRECTLY TO SAVE THE
11:59:24AM TAXES.
11:59:24AM WE ARE WAITING ON THE FINAL DRAWINGS TO MAKE HAPPEN FOR
11:59:29AM THOSE TRANSFORMERS.
11:59:30AM ONCE WE GET THOSE, WE PUT IT ON ORDER AS FAST AS WE CAN AND
11:59:35AM PUT THAT OBVIOUSLY PUT THAT $7 MILLION TOWARD THE
11:59:41AM TRANSFORMERS.
11:59:42AM COSTS HAVE COME UP.
11:59:45AM SOME OF THE SAVINGS WITH DIVERSION COULD ADD TO THE $7
11:59:49AM MILLION TO PURCHASE ALL OF THEM.
11:59:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SAVINGS IN DIVERSION?
11:59:54AM I THOUGHT MORE MONEY IN THE DIVERSION.
11:59:56AM >> I THOUGHT THE FINANCING HAD MORE THAN $12.9 MILLION.
11:59:59AM MAYBE LARRY CAN HELP ME OUT ON THAT.
12:00:01PM I MAY BE WRONG ON THAT.
12:00:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE APPROPRIATED 17.1.
12:00:09PM >>BRAD BAIRD: WE WERE VERY CONSERVATIVE.
12:00:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MY OTHER QUESTIONS AND THE REST ONLINE.
12:00:14PM CON I THINK IT GENTLY.
12:00:17PM 6.2 MILLION.
12:00:18PM AND 474 MILLION IN OWNER CONTINGENCY.
12:00:21PM ANY OF THAT HAVE BEEN UTILIZED?
12:00:23PM >>BRAD BAIRD: OH, YES, MOST OF IT HAS BEEN UTILIZED.
12:00:27PM SOMETHING THAT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO GET TO YOU THIS MORNING,
12:00:30PM BUT WE WILL PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF THOSE ITEMS.
12:00:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK: GREAT.
12:00:35PM WE WILL GET TOGETHER WITH YOUR TEAM AND COME TOGETHER WITH A
12:00:38PM TIME TO GET THAT BACK WITH THE WRITTEN REPORT AGENDA.
12:00:41PM SO THANK YOU.
12:00:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:00:43PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO ECHO THE THANKS TO YOU AND YOUR
12:00:49PM TEAM FOR THE PRESENTATION AND TRANSPARENCY AND HOPEFULLY GET
12:00:56PM THIS BACK ON LINE.
12:00:57PM I THREE QUICK QUESTIONS.
12:00:59PM HOW DOES THIS TOTAL PRICE COMPARE TO WHAT YOU ALL -- OR THE
12:01:02PM CITY -- NOT EVERYBODY WAS INVOLVED IN THE DECISION
12:01:04PM ORIGINALLY.
12:01:04PM BUT WHEN THE CITY DECIDED TO TAKE THIS OVER FIVE, SIX YEARS
12:01:08PM AGO, WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE AND HOW DOES THAT
12:01:12PM COMPARE TO WHAT WE ACTUALLY SPENT.
12:01:13PM >>BRAD BAIRD: THE RFQ HAD $15 MILLION IN IT.
12:01:20PM IF WE HAD THE EXECUTIVE ORDER IN PLACE, RIGHT, WOULD HAVE
12:01:24PM TRIGGERED THAT EXECUTIVE ORDER.
12:01:27PM IN THIS CASE, THANKFULLY WE DID NOT.
12:01:30PM WE DIDN'T HAVE ANOTHER OPTION.
12:01:32PM AS I WENT THROUGH THERE, I THINK I HIGHLIGHTED A FEW OF THE
12:01:37PM MAJOR CHANGES OF THE ASH BUILDING.
12:01:39PM >>BILL CARLSON: BRAD, SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT WHEN THE CITY
12:01:43PM DID THEIR DUE DILIGENCE IN THE BEGINNING TO ESTIMATE.
12:01:46PM WHAT WILL IT COST TO FULLY RENOVATE AS THE CITY WENT OFF.
12:01:51PM WHAT WAS THE TOTAL $15 MILLION?
12:01:54PM >>BRAD BAIRD: ONLY 15 MILLION WHEN WE PUT OUT THE RFQ.
12:01:58PM TWO THINGS.
12:01:58PM ONE, SCOPE CHANGED ON SEVERAL OF THOSE PROJECTS.
12:02:02PM TWO, WE WENT THROUGH THE COVID ERA WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION
12:02:06PM PRICES IN SOME CASES WITH ELECTRICAL AND INSTRUMENTATION
12:02:10PM TRIPLED.
12:02:11PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE SECOND QUESTION IS.
12:02:14PM YOU MENTIONED THAT IT WASN'T CHOICE TO RUN OR CRASH OR FALL
12:02:20PM APART.
12:02:20PM THAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
12:02:21PM THAT IS NOT AN OPTION THAT ANYBODY WILL LOOK LIKE.
12:02:24PM THE REAL ALTERNATIVE WILL BE TO GET BIDS FROM A PRIVATE
12:02:31PM CONTRACTOR, EITHER THE ONE RUNNING IT BEFORE OR SOMEBODY
12:02:35PM ELSE.
12:02:35PM DO YOU KNOW THE CITY DID THAT AT THAT TIME.
12:02:37PM THEY DID, HOW DID THAT COST COMPARE?
12:02:41PM LOOKING AT IT WITH THE LONG RUN.
12:02:43PM DID WE SAVE MONEY BY DOING THIS OURSELVES OR IN THE SAME
12:02:47PM PLACE OR WORSE OFF IF A PRIVATE SECT HER RUN IT.
12:02:50PM >>BRAD BAIRD: EXCELLENT QUESTION.
12:02:53PM WE DID NOT DO THAT.
12:02:54PM BUT, HOWEVER, FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO A FULL ALTERNATIVE STUDY
12:02:59PM OF ALL -- I CAN PROVIDE THAT TO CITY COUNCIL OF THE OPTIONS
12:03:04PM WE HAVE.
12:03:04PM ONE COUNTY OPTIONS WAS TO GO TO A DIFFERENT VENDOR.
12:03:08PM THE BIG ONE IS COVANTA.
12:03:13PM AND ANOTHER ONE WAS TO RENEGOTIATE WITH WHEELBRATER.
12:03:17PM BUT THE MOST EFFECTIVE ITEM WAS TO TAKE IT OVER AND A $5
12:03:23PM MILLION SAVINGS PER YEAR COMPARED TO THE WHEELBRATER
12:03:28PM CONTRACT.
12:03:28PM AND THE IDEA TAKE TO THAT $5 MILLION AND INVEST IT IN THE
12:03:34PM FACILITY.
12:03:34PM >>BILL CARLSON: ORIGINALLY ESTIMATE 15 MILLION RENOVATING
12:03:38PM AND UP TO $9 UNTIL OR BEING, THAT $5 SAVINGS EVEN OVER 30
12:03:44PM YEARS WON'T ADD UP TO THE DIFFERENCE, IS THAT RIGHT?
12:03:47PM >>BRAD BAIRD: AFTER 30 YEARS, IT WOULD.
12:03:53PM >>BILL CARLSON: MY BAD.
12:03:54PM NOT IN THE PRIVATE SECT UNTIL 20 YEARS.
12:03:59PM >>BRAD BAIRD: 20 YEARS, YES, SIR.
12:04:00PM >>BILL CARLSON: IF YOU CAN SEND THAT ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS US
12:04:03PM TO BY E-MAIL, THAT WILL BE FANTASTIC.
12:04:05PM I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO PUBLISH IT AS WELL ON THE
12:04:09PM AGENDA ITEM.
12:04:09PM LAST QUESTION, YOU TALKED OF THE REMAINING EXPENSES.
12:04:12PM ANY BIG CHUNKS REMAINING IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, ANY $10
12:04:18PM MILLION, $20 MILLION PROJECTS LEFT?
12:04:22PM >>BRAD BAIRD: NO.
12:04:23PM I BROUGHT THE LETTER WE SENT TO THE CONTRACTOR.
12:04:25PM REMAINING ITEMS IS SOMETHING LIKE SPARE PARTS TURNING OVER
12:04:31PM THE PARTS TO US.
12:04:33PM REPEATING THE BUNCH LIST.
12:04:35PM SOME OF THE WORK ITEMS.
12:04:36PM WE HAVE --
12:04:39PM >> YOU DON'T HAVE ANY BIG PARTS.
12:04:41PM NOT OF THE TRANSFORMERS.
12:04:45PM >>BILL CARLSON: IT IS ALREADY IN THE BUDGET.
12:04:47PM >>BRAD BAIRD: YES, SIR.
12:04:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:04:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I TOURED THE PLANT.
12:04:52PM I AM SURE MOST OF US IF NOT ALL OF US.
12:04:54PM WHAT I SAW IS SOMETHING THAT WAS RUNNING -- I DON'T KNOW
12:04:57PM HOW.
12:04:58PM HOLES EVERYWHERE.
12:05:00PM TRAINS DIDN'T WORK THAT WELL.
12:05:02PM ONE WAS UP AND DOWN.
12:05:04PM ONE WAS ANYTHING.
12:05:07PM EVERYWHERE I TURNED NUTS AND BOLTS ROTTED OUT THAT WERE THIS
12:05:11PM BIG AND IT WAS JUST READY TO COLLAPSE WITHIN ITSELF.
12:05:14PM AND THE COST OF THAT THING SHUTTING DOWN FOR A LONG PERIOD
12:05:18PM OF TIME WOULD HAVE BEEN CATASTROPHIC NOT ONLY FOR THE
12:05:22PM ENVIRONMENT, BUT WE HAD TO TRAVEL TO THE LANDFILL AND IN A
12:05:26PM FEW MONTHS LOOK WHAT IT COSTS.
12:05:27PM CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD DONE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS.
12:05:30PM THE TRANSFORMER OR MAIN PARTS OF THAT CAN'T DO JUST ANYONE.
12:05:36PM OVER A YEAR TO GET IT.
12:05:38PM MAYBE TWO YEARS TO GET IT.
12:05:39PM THESE ARE THE THINGS YOU ARE LOOKING AT.
12:05:41PM AND I WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM.
12:05:46PM >>BRAD BAIRD: THEY DESERVE EVERY BIT OF IT.
12:05:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: DIDN'T RECOGNIZE BECAUSE THEY ARE DRESSED
12:05:58PM DIFFERENTLY THAN AT THE PLANT.
12:05:59PM >>BRAD BAIRD: IF I CAN SAY SOMETHING THAT HAVEN'T BEEN SAID
12:06:02PM PUBLIC.
12:06:03PM THAT IS IF WE WERE TO SHUT THE PLANT AND HAUL LONG TERM,
12:06:08PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY COULD NOT SUSTAIN OUR GARBAGE.
12:06:10PM WE WOULD HAVE TO FIND A LANDFILL LONG WAYS AWAY LIKE
12:06:14PM OKEECHOBEE AND OUR LANDFILLS AND THE COST WOULD GO UP.
12:06:19PM AND IT WOULD BE CATASTROPHIC TO THE CITY.
12:06:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: EXACTLY.
12:06:23PM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
12:06:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT IS A GOOD SEGUE INTO I WAS GOING TO
12:06:30PM SAY.
12:06:30PM I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS SLEEP AT NIGHT.
12:06:32PM >>BRAD BAIRD: I WILL SLEEP A LOT BETTER.
12:06:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOW.
12:06:35PM BUT, AGAIN, WHAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SAID, THE NEEDS OF THE
12:06:41PM FACILITY WERE THE GREAT.
12:06:42PM AND I THINK THAT IS A TESTIMONY TO WHAT THE OVERSIGHT THAT
12:06:47PM THE CITY AND MUNICIPALITY VERSUS THE PRIVATE INDUSTRY
12:06:50PM OPERATING IT.
12:06:51PM WE GO IN AND RECOGNIZE THAT THIS PLANT WAS WOEFULLY
12:06:56PM NEGOTIATED AND BASIC MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP THAT WAS TO BE
12:07:00PM DONE IS NOT BEING DONE.
12:07:01PM WE TOOK IT OVER AND RECOGNIZED THAT AND WE RECTIFY THE
12:07:05PM SITUATION BASED ON THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA.
12:07:07PM CONGRATULATIONS ON THAT.
12:07:08PM I HAVE ONE QUESTION THOUGH.
12:07:10PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS DEVELOPING ANOTHER WASTE ENERGY
12:07:14PM PLANT, THAT'S CORRECT?
12:07:16PM >> THEY HAVE A WASTE ENERGY PLANT.
12:07:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ARE THEY BUILDING SOMETHING NEW?
12:07:22PM >>BRAD BAIRD: CHRIS WORKED AT IT I THINK THEY ARE PLANNING A
12:07:26PM SMALLER RETROFIT, IS THAT RIGHT, CHRIS?
12:07:30PM >> AS OF RIGHT NOW, NOTHING ON THE TABLE.
12:07:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MY QUESTION -- OBVIOUSLY I WORRY ABOUT
12:07:35PM REDUNDANCY.
12:07:36PM AND NOW WE HAVE BAROMETRIC PRESSURE BECOME DEPENDENT UPON
12:07:39PM THIS AS YOU HIGHLIGHTED BECAUSE OF THE PROBLEM WITH HAULING
12:07:43PM AND LAND FILL ISSUES.
12:07:44PM SO -- AND I KNOW WE ARE PROBABLY -- THESE THINGS TAKE 20
12:07:48PM YEARS TO START DEVELOPING.
12:07:50PM WE NEED TO START DEVELOPING EXPANSION OF REPLACEMENT OF THIS
12:07:54PM ONE.
12:07:54PM AND MISS HURTAK IS GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ON THAT.
12:07:58PM I WONDER IS THERE A WAY TO WORKING WITH THE COUNTY FOR
12:08:02PM REDUNDANCY IF THEY ARE GOING TO EXPAND AND BUILD WE CAN WORK
12:08:06PM ON COOPERATIVE AGREEMENTS WORKING BACK AND FORTH FOR
12:08:09PM CAPABILITY IN THE FUTURE SO 20 YEARS FROM NOW, WE DON'T GET
12:08:12PM IN THE SAME SITUATION?
12:08:14PM >>BRAD BAIRD: WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THE SAME DISCUSSIONS AND
12:08:16PM SEE IF THAT IS A POSSIBILITY.
12:08:17PM I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE WASTE ENERGY SITE, AS ON
12:08:21PM FIGURED, THE SITE PROPER, IS VERY TIGHT, AS YOU HAVE SEEN.
12:08:25PM SO AN EXPANSION WOULD BE -- TO USE THE PROPERTY WE BOUGHT
12:08:29PM ACROSS THE STREET.
12:08:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY, RIGHT, FOR THAT
12:08:33PM PURPOSE.
12:08:34PM >>BRAD BAIRD: YES, WE DID.
12:08:35PM THAT WAS PART OF THE FINANCING AND WHY THE FINANCING NUMBER
12:08:38PM WAS DIFFERENT MAN IN THE $99 MILLION NUMBER -- THAN THE $99
12:08:44PM MILLION NUMBER.
12:08:46PM YOU ARE TALKING OF BUILDING A SECOND PLANT ACROSS THE STREET
12:08:50PM WHICH IS NOT TYPICALLY COST EFFECTIVE.
12:08:52PM WE ARE LIMITED ON THE EXPANSION BUT WE WILL START TALKING TO
12:08:55PM THE COUNTY AND SEE IF THERE ARE SOME OPTION THERE IS.
12:08:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:08:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE TO SAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO EXPAND IF YOU
12:09:02PM START THROWING AWAY LESS GARBAGE!
12:09:04PM JUST GOING TO LEAVE IT AT THAT.
12:09:06PM >>BRAD BAIRD: RECYCLE.
12:09:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 12:08.
12:09:10PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:09:11PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST QUICK COMMENT.
12:09:14PM INCLUDED THE PRICE OF THE LAND IN EXPANSION FOR THE $99
12:09:17PM MILLION, I THINK IT IS FAIR TO TAKE THAT OUT.
12:09:19PM BECAUSE THAT IS NOT -- IF WE WERE COMPARING WHAT IT WOULD
12:09:24PM TAKE FOR PRIVATE SECTOR TO RUN IT, A PROJECT THAT WHAT IS
12:09:29PM NOT APPLES TO APPLES.
12:09:33PM WHAT WE THOUGHT THE PRIVATE SECTOR CHARGED.
12:09:36PM WE WOULD FEEL IN THE MID TO LONG-TERM WE WOULD BE AHEAD.
12:09:39PM BUT HE NEED TO COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES.
12:09:42PM >>BRAD BAIRD: THE LAND WAS NOT IN THE $99 MILLION THIS WAS
12:09:47PM JUST THE CONSTRUCTION.
12:09:48PM CONSTRUCTION, DESIGN AND REPURPOSING OF THE EQUIPMENT.
12:09:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, A BEAUTIFUL PRESENTATION.
12:09:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: RECESS UNTIL 1:30.
12:09:57PM
01:33:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HELLO, AND WELCOME BACK TO TAMPA CITY
01:33:15PM COUNCIL.
01:33:15PM ROLL CALL.
01:33:17PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
01:33:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
01:33:20PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT.
01:33:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
01:33:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
01:33:22PM MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN THE 1:30 PUBLIC HEARING.
01:33:27PM A MOTION ARE FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
01:33:29PM SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
01:33:31PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
01:33:31PM ALL RIGHT, THESE ARE QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS.
01:33:36PM WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY REGISTER.
01:33:38PM HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 65, PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR
01:33:42PM RIGHT HAND AND WE WILL SWEAR YOU IN.
01:33:44PM ANYBODY SPEAKING ON ITEM 65, PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT
01:33:48PM HAND AND WE WILL SWEAR YOU IN.
01:33:49PM OKAY, SO WE ARE JUST -- LET'S JUST WAIT A MINUTE.
01:33:59PM A LOT OF PEOPLE?
01:34:02PM >> TWO MORE.
01:34:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
01:34:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOT TO GET THAT FALL FEELING.
01:34:11PM IS THAT EVERYBODY OKAY.
01:34:37PM A NEW ERA.
01:34:52PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THEY WERE SIGNING IN.
01:34:54PM I WAS ON THE ELEVATOR WITH THEM.
01:35:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S SWEAR IN THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE
01:35:18PM RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SWEAR THEM IN.
01:35:20PM [SWEARING IN]
01:35:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SHE COUNTS TOO.
01:35:26PM OH, OKAY.
01:35:27PM ALL RIGHT.
01:35:29PM WELL WE SWORE IN THE FOLKS THAT WERE HERE.
01:35:32PM SO -- ONE MORE.
01:35:37PM SORRY.
01:35:38PM THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
01:35:39PM ALL RIGHT, PURPOSE NOT SWORN IN 30 SECONDS ALSO, PLEASE
01:36:27PM STAND AND WE WILL SWEAR NEW IF YOU WERE SPEAKING ON ITEM
01:36:30PM NUMBER 65.
01:36:31PM [SWEARING IN]
01:36:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:36:37PM WE WILL BEGIN THIS HEARING.
01:36:39PM YES, MA'AM.
01:36:40PM MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ.
01:36:43PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: GOOD AFTERNOON AND THANK YOU, MEMBERS
01:36:45PM OF CITY COUNCIL.
01:36:45PM I AM SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
01:36:47PM THIS ITEM NUMBER 65 IS A ALCOHOL BEVERAGE SUSPENSION HEARING
01:36:53PM FOR THE PROPERTY 7700 COURTNEY CAMPBELL CAUSEWAY CURRENTLY
01:36:57PM OPERATING AS AN ESTABLISHMENT CALLED GODFREY HOTELS AND
01:37:02PM CABANAS.
01:37:03PM IF YOU HAVE KIND OF A SITE MAP HERE IF I CAN GET THE
01:37:08PM OVERHEAD.
01:37:08PM IF I CAN GET THE OVERHEAD.
01:37:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, THERE YOU GO.
01:37:17PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THANK YOU.
01:37:19PM THIS IS THE SITE OUTLINED IN RED.
01:37:21PM YOU CAN SEE IT IS A LITTLE PENINSULA THAT IS ON THE SOUTHERN
01:37:24PM SIDE OF THE COURTNEY CAMPBELL CAUSEWAY.
01:37:27PM TO THE EAST OF THE SITE, WE HAVE SOME OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL
01:37:31PM USES AND SOME RESIDENTIAL HERE.
01:37:33PM WE ALSO HAVE HOTEL AND OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL ON THE NORTH
01:37:37PM SIDE OF THE COURTNEY CAMPBELL DIRECTLY OPPOSITE AS WELL AS
01:37:41PM SOME RESIDENTIAL.
01:37:41PM THERE ARE SOME RESTAURANTS HERE.
01:37:43PM BAHAMA BREEZE IS BACK IN HERE AND WE HAVE MORE SINGLE-FAMILY
01:37:47PM RESIDENTIAL TO THE NORTH AND GOING INTO HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
01:37:49PM SO THIS PARCEL LOCATED AT 7700 COURTNEY CAMPBELL CAUSEWAY
01:37:56PM HAS BEEN OWNED BY M 2 TAMPA LCC SINCE AUGUST 11, 2021.
01:38:05PM WILL BE PROVIDED IN THE BINDERS SECTION B AT TAB 2.
01:38:13PM M2 TAMPA LCC THE GODFREY HOTEL AND WE CALL IT WATER.
01:38:21PM BUT IT IS WATR.
01:38:23PM THERE ARE SEVERAL PERMITS THAT ARE RELEVANT TO THIS SITE.
01:38:26PM THERE IS FROM THE CITY ORDINANCE NUMBER 5886-A THAT WAS
01:38:32PM PASSED AND ADOPTED ON MARCH 18, 1974.
01:38:35PM SO A 50-YEAR-OLD PERMIT THAT APPROVED THE SALE OF BEER, WINE
01:38:39PM AND LIQUOR 4-COP FOR CONSUMPTION ON AND OFF THE PREMISE.
01:38:46PM PAUSE OF THE AGE OF THE PERMIT AND COUNCIL IS AWARE THAT WE
01:38:50PM DON'T REALLY WET ZONE PROPERTIES LIKE THIS ANYMORE, BUT THIS
01:38:53PM ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE WET ZONING COVERS THE ENTIRE PARCEL.
01:38:56PM SO THE BUILDINGS.
01:38:57PM THE POOL.
01:38:58PM THE RESTAURANT.
01:38:59PM THE PARKING LOTS.
01:39:01PM THE ENTIRE -- THE ENTIRE PARCEL THAT THIS PERMIT COVERS.
01:39:05PM NO LIMB TAKES OR CONDITIONS THAT WERE PLACED ON THIS
01:39:07PM APPROVAL BACK IN 1974.
01:39:11PM NEXT ORDINANCE 20007-136 PASSED AND ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL
01:39:17PM ON JUNE 28, 2007.
01:39:19PM THAT ORDINANCE APPROVED A PD REZONING ON THE PROPERTY WHICH,
01:39:23PM AS YOU KNOW, IS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AND APPROVED HOTEL,
01:39:27PM COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USES.
01:39:28PM YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE NOTICE OF INTENT TO -- TO SEEK
01:39:36PM SUSPENSION OF THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE PERMIT IN YOUR MINDERS.
01:39:40PM AND THAT ORDINANCE -- THE FIRST ORDINANCE THAT I SPOKE ABOUT
01:39:46PM IS EXHIBIT 8 TO THE EXHIBIT OF CONSENT AND ORDINANCE
01:39:52PM 20007-136 IS EXHIBIT B TO THE NOTICE OF INTENT.
01:39:55PM THAT ORDINANCE PLACED LIMITATIONS AND CONDITIONS ON THE
01:39:58PM APPROVAL.
01:39:58PM THE REZONING FOR THE PROPERTY DESCRIBED IN THE LEGAL
01:40:01PM DESCRIPTION WHICH IS, AGAIN, THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROPERTY.
01:40:03PM THE ORDINANCE LIMITED THE REZONING TO THE SITE DEVELOPMENT
01:40:10PM PLAN THAT WAS DATED JUNE 4, 2007.
01:40:14PM APPEAR COPY OF THE SITE PLAN IS ATTACHED TO THAT ORDINANCE
01:40:18PM AS EXHIBIT B.
01:40:19PM AND THEN IN 2017, THERE WAS A REQUEST BY THE THEN OWNER TO
01:40:27PM DO A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE OR A NONSUBSTANTIAL CHANGE TO THIS
01:40:31PM SITE PLAN.
01:40:32PM SOB -- AND THAT WAS SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE APPLICATION NUMBER
01:40:38PM 17-23.
01:40:39PM SO THAT REQUEST WAS APPROVED BY THE THEN ZONING
01:40:44PM ADMINISTRATOR GLORIA MOREDA, JULY 17, 2017.
01:40:48PM THAT SUB CHANGE APPROVAL WAS ATTACHED TO THE NOTICE OF
01:40:51PM INTENT AS EXHIBIT C.
01:40:53PM PURSUANT TO THAT REQUEST, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR
01:40:56PM DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED CHANGE WAS NOT A SUBSTANTIAL
01:40:59PM CHANGE PURSUANT TO THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE.
01:41:01PM AND SHE CONDITIONALLY APPROVED THE SITE PLAN THAT SHOWED
01:41:06PM RENOVATIONS TO THE OUTDOOR ACTIVITY AREA TO THE NORTHWEST
01:41:09PM CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.
01:41:10PM THAT WILL BE IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE.
01:41:12PM THIS ADJACENT TO THE WATR.
01:41:15PM THE RENOVATIONS TO REMOVE TWO KIOSKS, REMOVE THE EXIST
01:41:19PM VOLLEYBALL COURT, STAGE AND SHED.
01:41:23PM CONSTRUCT A NEW POOL AND CONSTRUCT CABANAS ALL TO COMPLY
01:41:27PM WITH THE REAR AND FRONT PROPERTY SETBACK LINES.
01:41:31PM PROPOSED A NEW SHADE STRUCTURE WEST OF THE RESTAURANT
01:41:34PM BUILDING AND EXPAND THE BATHROOMS.
01:41:36PM SO MISS MOREDA HIM POSE A NUMBER CONDITIONS ON THE APPROVAL,
01:41:41PM ONE TO REMOVE THE SMALL POOL.
01:41:43PM SECOND CONDITION RELATED TO SOLID WASTE AND STORMWATER THAT
01:41:48PM AREN'T REALLY RELEVANT TO THIS.
01:41:50PM AND THAT WAS A CONDITION AS WELL.
01:41:52PM ALL THE RENOVATIONS HAD TO COMPLY WITH THE FIRE CODES.
01:41:55PM AND THEN THE CONDITION THAT IS IMPORTANT AND GERMANE TO THIS
01:41:59PM MATTER IS CONDITION NUMBER 4.
01:42:01PM SAYS PRIOR TO A TEMPORARY SPECIAL EVENTS CONDUCTED ON THE
01:42:05PM PROPERTY, THE PROPOSED SPECIAL EVENT MUST BE REVIEWED AND
01:42:08PM APPROVED BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION DIVISION AND
01:42:10PM BE SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH SECTION 27-282.16 AS MAY BE
01:42:15PM AMENDED.
01:42:16PM SO THIS IS THE CODE SECTION THAT GOVERNS TEMPORARY SPECIAL
01:42:21PM EVENTS.
01:42:22PM IT LIMITS THE MAXIMUM DURATION FOR A SPECIFIC EVENT TO TWO
01:42:26PM WEEKS.
01:42:27PM AND ALSO LIMITS THE NUMBER OF EVENTS THAT CAN BE HELD TO
01:42:30PM FOUR PER YEAR ON ANY SINGLE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
01:42:34PM IF TENTS OR OUTDOOR DISPLAYS ARE GOING TO BE USED, YOU HAVE
01:42:39PM TO SUBMIT A SITE PLAN.
01:42:40PM YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT YOU ARE PROVIDING ADEQUATE PARKING.
01:42:43PM YOU HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE YOU HAVE ADEQUATE BATHROOM
01:42:45PM FACILITIES.
01:42:46PM AND YOU MUST CLEAR ALL TRASH AND DEBRIS FROM THE PROPERTY
01:42:50PM IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE SPECIAL EVENT IS CONCLUDED.
01:42:53PM AS PART OF THAT SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE APPROVAL, THERE WAS A
01:42:56PM SITE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED.
01:42:58PM AND THOSE NOTES THAT I JUST READ OFF ARE INCLUDED ON THE
01:43:03PM LEFT SIDE OF THIS.
01:43:06PM AND YOU CAN SEE I WILL JUST ZOOM IN FOR A QUICK MINUTE.
01:43:10PM YOU CAN SEE NUMBER 4 IS THE LANGUAGE I READ OFF PRIOR TO A
01:43:14PM SPECIAL TEMPORARY EVENT AND THE THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE
01:43:17PM SHOWN.
01:43:18PM ALSO IMPORTANTLY, THE NOTATIONS ON THE -- WERE ADDED TO THE
01:43:24PM RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THE SITE PLAN AND THE ONE IMPORTANT IS
01:43:27PM THE NOTE NUMBER 1 THAT SAYS NO TICKETED OUTDOOR CONCERTS
01:43:31PM EXCEPT TO THE EXTENT THAT THE OWNER FILES AN APPLICATION AND
01:43:34PM RECEIVES PERMISSION FOR A SPECIAL EVENT ON THE PROPERTY
01:43:37PM PURSUANT TO SECTION 27-282.60.
01:43:42PM THAT WAS THE -- THAT WAS PART OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
01:43:45PM SO THOSE ARE THE THREE CITY APPROVALS, PERMITS THAT ARE ON
01:43:53PM THIS PROPERTY.
01:43:53PM MM2 TAMPA THROUGH A RELATED ENTITY HAS A STATE ALCOHOLIC
01:44:01PM BEVERAGE LICENSE.
01:44:02PM THAT ISSUE IS ISSUED TO M2 TAMPA TENANT LCC, LICENSE
01:44:12PM BEVERAGE, WHICH IS A 4-COP LICENSE THAT CORRESPONDS TO THE
01:44:17PM WET ZONING ON THIS PROPERTY.
01:44:18PM STATE LICENSE ISSUED AUGUST 11, 2021.
01:44:21PM CURRENT AND ACTIVE AND EXPIRES SEPTEMBER 30, 2024.
01:44:31PM IF YOU WOULD TAKE A LOOK, TAB B IN YOUR BINDERS.
01:44:38PM WE ARE HERE AS A NOTICE OF INTENT TO SUSPEND ALCOHOL
01:44:42PM BEVERAGE SALES AT THIS LOCATION.
01:44:43PM 27-18, THE SECTION THAT GOVERNS ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE PERMIT
01:44:49PM SUSPENSIONS AND AUTHORIZES THE REVOCATION AND SUSPENSION OF
01:44:53PM ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES PER CAUSE.
01:44:54PM THAT CODE SECTION CAN BE FOUND IN SECTION A AT TAB 1.
01:44:59PM SO UNDER 27-318, SUBSECTIONS,C, WHICH CAN BE FOUND ON PAGE 3
01:45:06PM OF THAT SECTION IN YOUR BINDERS, IN ORDER FOR THE CITY TO
01:45:09PM SUSPEND OR REVOKE AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LICENSE, IT MUST
01:45:13PM DETERMINE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE HOLDER OF THE
01:45:16PM ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LICENSE, THE OPERATOR OF THE
01:45:19PM ESTABLISHMENT, OR ANY AGENT OR EMPLOYEE THEREOF HAVE OPINION
01:45:23PM FOUND TO HAVE VIOLATED OR CONVICTED OF ANY ONE OR MORE OF 14
01:45:28PM QUALIFYING CRITERIA THAT ARE LISTED IN SUBSECTIONS A HOW
01:45:32PM THAT N.
01:45:33PM AND THOSE -- THAT MONITORED LIST CAN BE FOUND IN SECTION A
01:45:37PM UNDER TAB 1 PAGES 4 AND 5.
01:45:40PM SORRY, PAGE 4.
01:45:41PM SO THE FOCUS AND BASIS OF TODAY'S HEARING ARE VIOLATIONS OF
01:45:51PM SUBSECTIONS D, L AND N, OF 317-C-1.
01:45:57PM D SPEAKS TO THE OPERATION OF THE ESTABLISHMENT IN A MONITOR
01:46:00PM THAT REPEATEDLY OR ON AN ONGOING BASIS IS FROM NEGATIVE
01:46:04PM SECONDARY EFFECTS ON SURROUNDING PROPERTY.
01:46:07PM THIS INCLUDES BUT NOT LIMITED TO VIOLATIONS OF CITY CODE,
01:46:10PM ORDINANCE OR STATE LAW RELATED TO NOISE, PARKING OR TRASH OR
01:46:14PM DEBRIS AFTER HAVING RECEIVED REASONABLE NOTICE TO TERMINATE
01:46:18PM OR CORRECT ANY CONDITION THAT IS IN VIOLATION OF SUCH CODE,
01:46:21PM ORDINANCE AND LAW.
01:46:22PM SOB THAT'S SUBSECTIONS D.
01:46:25PM SUBSECTIONS L.
01:46:28PM BEEN CONVICTED OF THE EXTERIOR SOUND LEVELS AS PROVIDED IN
01:46:33PM CHAPTER 14, NOISE.
01:46:34PM AND THEN FINALLY, SUBSECTIONS N.
01:46:37PM VIOLATED HI SECTION OF CHAPTER 14 OR CHAPTER 27.
01:46:40PM ANY CONDITION, LIMITATION OR RESTRICTION IMPOSE $BY THE
01:46:45PM COUNCIL OR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AT THE TIME OF APPROVAL
01:46:47PM OR ANY OTHER SECTION OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE RELATED TO
01:46:51PM ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
01:46:52PM SO THIS AFTERNOON, WE WILL PRESENT EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY
01:46:54PM THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS INDEED VIOLATED THOSE THREE
01:47:00PM SUBSECTIONS OF 27-318-C-1.
01:47:04PM AND I JUST WANT TO SPEAK FOR A MOMENT ON NOTICE JUST TO
01:47:07PM CONFIRM THAT THE CITY HAS COMPLIED WITH THE NOTICE
01:47:12PM REQUIREMENTS.
01:47:12PM THERE ARE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS IN 27-318, SUBSECTIONS, D.
01:47:19PM THAT PRIOR TO SUSPENDING AN AB PERMIT, COUNCIL MUST HOLD A
01:47:24PM PUBLIC HEARING AND NOTICE OF THE HEARING MUST BE SENT VIA
01:47:27PM CERTIFIED MAIL VIA PROPERTY OWNER AND BUSINESS OWNER 30 DAYS
01:47:31PM PRIOR TO THE HEARING.
01:47:32PM THE CITY COMPLIED WITH THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS BY SENDING A
01:47:35PM NOTICE OF THIS HEARING ON JUNE 28, 2024 SO I WOULD LIKE TO
01:47:44PM START OFF WITH -- I KIND OF WANT TO GO BACKWARDS.
01:47:48PM SO WE WILL START WITH NUMBER N, WHICH IS, AGAIN, THE
01:47:52PM VIOLATION OF CHAPTER 14 OR CHAPTER 27.
01:47:55PM AND FOR THAT PURPOSE, I WOULD LIKE TO CALLER RICK COTTON,
01:47:58PM WHO IS THE CITY'S CURRENT ZONING ADMINISTRATOR TO COME
01:48:01PM FORWARD TO TESTIFY ABOUT COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS OF
01:48:06PM THE CITY'S PRIOR APPROVALS.
01:48:08PM >>ERIC COTTON: GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
01:48:12PM ERIC COTTON, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
01:48:15PM I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
01:48:16PM PARROT SOME OF WHAT SUSAN INDICATED.
01:48:20PM OLDER ORDINANCE ADOPTED IN 1974.
01:48:24PM SUSAN INDICATED PRIOR ORDINANCE THAT WAS ADOPTED BY COUNCIL
01:48:28PM GENERALLY COVERED THE ENTIRE PARCEL.
01:48:32PM WET ZONE FROM PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE.
01:48:34PM THE KEY TO THE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE ISSUE THAT HAS BROUGHT US
01:48:39PM BEFORE COUNCIL TODAY IS THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE APPLICANT TO
01:48:42PM GET A TEMPORARY SPECIAL EVENT WHEN THEY HAVE A OUTDOOR
01:48:46PM TICKETED EVENT.
01:48:47PM SO THE LANGUAGE SUSAN SHOWED ON THE ELMO JUST A MOMENT AGO.
01:48:54PM THE APPLICANT ACTUALLY THANKS HAS APPLIED FOR SOME SPECIAL
01:49:00PM EVENTS.
01:49:00PM DECEMBER 2021, I ISSUED A LETTER TO THE PROPERTY OWNER
01:49:05PM LETTING THEM KNOW THEY MAY BE IN POSSIBLE VIOLATION OF THEIR
01:49:10PM SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE AND, THEREFORE, THEIR ALCOHOL BY NOT
01:49:15PM GETTING THE TEMPORARY SPECIAL EVENTS.
01:49:16PM IN JANUARY -- DECEMBER OF 2021, APPLIED FOR A SPECIAL EVENT
01:49:26PM FOR NEW YEAR'S PARTY.
01:49:27PM ANOTHER SPECIAL EVENT NEW YEAR'S PARTY IN 2024.
01:49:30PM AND SUBSEQUENT TWO MORE SPECIAL EVENTS THEY APPLIED FOR AND
01:49:35PM RECEIVED.
01:49:35PM NOT TO SAY THEY HAVEN'T HAD OTHER EVENTS ON THE PROPERTY,
01:49:38PM BUT WE HAVE SOUGHT OUT AT LEAST FOUR TEMPORARY SPECIAL
01:49:41PM EVENTS SINCE THE LETTER I SENT ON DECEMBER 2021.
01:49:52PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SO IS YOU SUBSEQUENT TO THAT LETTER
01:49:56PM THAT MR. COTTON TESTIFIED.
01:49:57PM TEMPORARY SPECIAL PERMITS PURSUANT TO THE CONDITIONS.
01:50:02PM WE ARE HERE TODAY BECAUSE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF EVENTS THAT
01:50:04PM HAVE HAPPENED WHERE THE OWNER HAS NOT SOUGHT A TEMPORARY
01:50:09PM SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT WHICH IS CONTRARY TO THE CONDITIONS OF
01:50:12PM THEIR SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE APPROVAL AND THOSE CONDITIONS.
01:50:15PM SO WE DO HAVE -- THERE ARE THREE CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES THAT
01:50:24PM -- WHERE ORDERS HAVE BEEN ISSUED BASED ON VIOLATIONS OF
01:50:29PM THOSE CONDITIONS.
01:50:29PM WE HAVE THE FIRST ONE WAS -- SO THIS IS CASE NUMBER C.O.D.
01:50:42PM 21-4580.
01:50:45PM YOU CAN SEE I HIGHLIGHTED AN ORDER ISSUED BY THE CODE
01:50:48PM ENFORCEMENT SPECIAL MASTER TO M2 TAMPA LCC.
01:50:53PM CODE ENFORCEMENT SPECIAL MASTER FOUND THAT BETWEEN DECEMBER
01:50:57PM 19, 2021 AND JANUARY 5, 2022.
01:51:03PM 1700 COURTNEY CAMPBELL CAUSEWAY PROPERTY WAS IN VIOLATION OF
01:51:09PM TAMPA CITY CODE.
01:51:10PM THAT VIOLATION WAS OF SECTION 27-282.16, THE TEMPORARY
01:51:15PM SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.
01:51:17PM YOU CAN SEE AT THE BOTTOM, THE HIGHLIGHTED LANGUAGE.
01:51:19PM CODE ENFORCEMENT SPECIAL MASTER FOUND THIS WAS AN
01:51:24PM IRREVERSIBLE BECAUSE OF THE EVENT ALREADY HAPPENED.
01:51:28PM NOTHING TO DO CORRECT THAT.
01:51:29PM AND THERE IS A NOTATION HERE IN ALL CAPS.
01:51:34PM PROPERTY MUST TO ITS PD AND REMAIN IN COMPLIANCE GOING
01:51:38PM FORWARD TO CONTINUE SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS FOR ALL FUTURE
01:51:42PM OUTDOOR TICKETED EVENTS.
01:51:43PM AND SPECIAL MASTER IMPOSED A $1500 FINE FOR THOSE
01:51:48PM VIOLATIONS.
01:51:48PM LATER ON IN 2022, THERE WAS TWO MORE CASES.
01:51:56PM FIRST ONE WAS COD 22-2075.
01:52:01PM ORDER ISSUED OCTOBER 24, 2022.
01:52:04PM THAT ORDER FOUND M2 TAMPA LCC VIOLATION OF CITY CODE FOR
01:52:13PM EVENTS BETWEEN MAY 14, 2022 AND OCTOBER 19, 2022 AT 1700
01:52:18PM COURTNEY CAMPBELL BOULEVARD -- I AM SORRY, CAUSEWAY.
01:52:22PM AND, AGAIN, THIS WAS FOR FAILURE TO COMPLY AGAIN THE
01:52:27PM CITATIONS -- OR THE CODE CITATIONS ARE LISTED HERE.
01:52:31PM WE SEE FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH 27-282.16.
01:52:36PM TEMPORARY SPECIAL EVENTS.
01:52:38PM CODES ENFORCEMENT SPECIAL MASTER FOUND THAT TICKETED OUTDOOR
01:52:41PM CONCEPTS HAVE OCCURRED AT THE PROPERTY AND FUTURE TICKETED
01:52:45PM HAVE BEEN PROMOTED FOR THE APPROVED SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE,
01:52:48PM CONDITIONS, THE PROPERTY OWNER FAILED TO OBTAIN THE
01:52:51PM NECESSARY SPECIAL EVENTS PERMITS.
01:52:53PM AND THEY WERE ORDERED TO CEASE ALL TEMPORARY SPECIAL EVENTS
01:52:58PM UNTIL THEY MAKE APPLICATION AND GET APPROVAL FOR THE EVENTS
01:53:02PM FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION OFFICE.
01:53:04PM AGAIN, THE FINDING WAS THAT THIS VIOLATION WAS IRREPUTABLE.
01:53:10PM AND SO THE SPECIAL MOTHER, PURSUANT TO HIS AUTHORITY ORDERED
01:53:16PM A FINE OF $15,000 IN THAT CASE.
01:53:24PM THIRD CASE ON THE SAME DAY WAS FOR A DIFFERENT EVENT.
01:53:27PM THREE DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT THESE THREE SEPARATE ORDERS ARE
01:53:31PM NOW BASED ON.
01:53:31PM SO THERE WAS ANOTHER EVENT.
01:53:34PM FOR CASE NUMBER 22-2076.
01:53:40PM THAT WAS FOR AN EVENT THAT HAPPENED BETWEEN MAY 15, 2022 AND
01:53:46PM OCTOBER 19, 2022 AT 7700 WEST COURTNEY CAMPBELL CAUSEWAY.
01:53:51PM FINDINGS OF FACT THAT M2 TAMPA LCC WAS IN VIOLATION OF THE
01:53:58PM CITY OF TAMPA CODE.
01:53:59PM SECTION 282.216.
01:54:02PM TEMPORARY SPECIAL EVENTS AND YOU CAN SEE THE SAME LANGUAGE
01:54:05PM WAS REITERATED IN THIS ORDER AS THE PRIOR ONE THAT WAS JUST
01:54:09PM DISPLAYED THAT THEY HAVE TICKETED OUTDOORS CONCERTS AND
01:54:16PM PROMOTE THEM ON THE PROPERTY WITHOUT GETTING THE TEMPORARY
01:54:20PM SPELLINGS PERMIT.
01:54:21PM SPECIAL MASTER REPEATED EACH SPECIAL EVENT MUST HAVE AN
01:54:26PM APPROVED THAT WILL BE FOUR PER YEAR.
01:54:29PM AND THE FINDING, AGAIN, OF A FINDING WAS IRREPUTABLE AND
01:54:34PM INCAPABLE OF CORRECTION AND, AGAIN, IMPOSED $15,000 FINES.
01:54:40PM TOTAL FINES IN THE AMOUNT OF $ 1,5 -- 31,500.
01:54:50PM THAT WAS OCTOBER OF 2022.
01:54:51PM AND HERE WE ARE IN OCTOBER 2024 AND THESE EVENTS CONTINUE TO
01:54:55PM OCCUR WITHOUT OBTAINING THE PROPER PERMITS.
01:54:58PM SO THAT IS THE BASIS.
01:55:04PM THIS PROPERTY OWNER HAS FAILED TO COMPLY WITH THE CONDITIONS
01:55:06PM OF THE APPROVAL OF THEIR ZONING, AS WELL AS THEIR
01:55:09PM SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE IN THAT THEY HAVE PREVIOUSLY FAILED TO
01:55:13PM OBTAINED TEMPORARY SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS.
01:55:16PM AND CONTINUE TO NOT OBTAIN THOSE PERMITS.
01:55:20PM SO THAT IS THE FIRST BASIS UNDER SUBSECTIONS N.
01:55:25PM THE SECOND BASIS, CONVICTION OF THE EXTERIOR MAXIMUM SOUND
01:55:30PM LEVELS AS PROVIDED IN CHAPTER 14, NOISE.
01:55:32PM BACK IN APRIL, APRIL 30 OF 2023, THERE WAS A CITATION ISSUED
01:55:39PM TO JOSHUA HUGHES AT 7700 COURTNEY CAMPBELL CAUSEWAY.
01:55:45PM YOU CAN SEE THE ADDRESS HERE.
01:55:48PM AND THE CHARGE WAS UNREASONABLY EXCESSIVE NOISE OF A
01:55:54PM PROPERTY AFTER WARNING AND THE PROPERTY NOT BEING IN YBOR OR
01:55:58PM THE CHANNEL DISTRICT.
01:55:59PM COUNCIL WILL RECALL THAT YBOR AND THE CHANNEL DISTRICT
01:56:03PM MEASURED BY A DECIBEL AND EVERY OTHER AREA IS ON A PLAINLY
01:56:08PM AUDIBLE STANDARD.
01:56:09PM THIS OFFICER WENT A DISTANCE AWAY FROM THE WATER RESTAURANT
01:56:12PM LOCATED ON THIS PROPERTY, AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE I
01:56:16PM HIGHLIGHTED THAT THE OFFICER MEASURED FROM WATR WHERE THE
01:56:21PM OFFICER HEARD MUSIC AT THE BAHAMA BREEZE PARKING LOT 2260
01:56:27PM FEET AWAY ON THE SORE SIDE OF THE COURTNEY CAMPBELL
01:56:31PM CAUSEWAY.
01:56:31PM FOR RESIDENTS THAT DON'T FREQUENT THAT AREA, I HAVE, AGAIN,
01:56:36PM THE PROPERTY HIGHLIGHTED IN RED AND BAHAMA BREEZE IS OVER
01:56:39PM HERE WITH THE PIN MARK -- WHERE MY PEN IS POINTING RIGHT
01:56:43PM NOW.
01:56:43PM THIS CASE WENT TO TRIAL -- OR WAS PROSECUTED UNDER -- IN
01:56:53PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, COUNTY COURT UNDER CASE NUMBER
01:56:58PM 23-IN-00189-A.
01:56:59PM WENT TO TRIAL ON JANUARY 8 OF 2024, AND MR. HUGHES WAS TRIED
01:57:05PM AND FOUND GUILTY BY A JURY OR THE COURT FOR A VIOLATION OF
01:57:10PM SECTION 14-154-A, UNREASONABLY EXCESSIVE NOISE FROM A
01:57:17PM PROPERTY AFTER WARNING AND MR. HUGHES WAS ORDERED TO PAY A
01:57:22PM FINE OF $238.
01:57:23PM SO THAT IS THE SECOND BASIS CONVICTION OF THE MAXIMUM
01:57:30PM EXTERIOR SOUND LEVELS AS PROVIDED IN CHAPTER 14, NOISE.
01:57:34PM SO I KNOW WE HAVE A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN THE
01:57:39PM AREA.
01:57:40PM AND I WOULD LIKE TO -- WITH COUNCIL'S PERMISSION TO HAVE
01:57:44PM THEM COME FORWARD NOW BECAUSE THEY CAN PROVIDE TESTIMONY
01:57:47PM RELATIVE TO THE THIRD BASIS FOR THIS NOTICE OF INTENT WHICH
01:57:50PM IS NEGATIVE SECONDARY EFFECT ON SURROUNDING PROPERTY.
01:57:54PM I BELIEVE -- I KNOW THERE IS -- MISS ROBERTS HERE, I
01:57:57PM BELIEVE, AT LEAST.
01:57:57PM AND I WOULD ASK YOU TO COME FORWARD AND MAYBE EVERYONE ELSE
01:58:01PM CAN LINE UP ON THE SIDE TO BE HEARD.
01:58:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WILL THIS BE PART --
01:58:07PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: PART OF THE CITY'S --
01:58:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THEY THEN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK
01:58:11PM DURING PUBLIC COMMENT?
01:58:12PM OR THIS WILL TAKE CARE OF ALL OF THAT?
01:58:14PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THAT IS UP TO COUNCIL.
01:58:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AFTER THEY COME UP AND GIVE THEIR
01:58:20PM TESTIMONY.
01:58:20PM WE WILL HEAR FROM THE OTHER SIDE, THEIR ATTORNEYS --
01:58:23PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I WILL FINISH OUT MY STATEMENTS AND
01:58:26PM YOU WILL HEAR FROM THE OTHER ATTORNEYS.
01:58:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEY WILL BE ABLE TO BE CROSS-EXAMINED AS
01:58:32PM WELL?
01:58:32PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SURE.
01:58:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:58:35PM >> I HAVE SPEAKER WAIVER FORM. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DON'T
01:58:52PM THINK YOU WILL NEED IT NOW.
01:58:53PM HOW LONG DO YOU NEED TO SPEAK?
01:58:56PM ARE YOU GOING TO QUESTION HER OR JUST HAVE HER SPEAK.
01:58:59PM HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU WISH?
01:59:03PM AND HOW MANY DO YOU HAVE ON THE FORM HERE?
01:59:08PM COUNCIL --
01:59:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SHE IS PART OF THE CITY.
01:59:12PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: PART OF THE CITY'S CASE.
01:59:13PM THEN WE WILL JUST --
01:59:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT CAN BE HELD FOR PUBLIC COMMENT
01:59:17PM LATER IF SHE IS GOING TO SPEAK NOW.
01:59:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU WANT TO JUST LET HER SPEAK.
01:59:21PM THAT IS THE DETERMINATION OF COUNCIL.
01:59:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET'S RESOLVE THIS ISSUE FIRST.
01:59:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
01:59:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IF SOMEONE IS PART OF THE CASE, THEY ARE
01:59:39PM PART OF THE CASE.
01:59:40PM NO SUCH THING AS PUBLIC COMMENT.
01:59:41PM LIKE HAVING SUSAN UP.
01:59:45PM EITHER SHE IS PART OF THE CASE OR PUBLIC COMMENT.
01:59:48PM WE NEED TO RESOLVES THAT ISSUE.
01:59:50PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SHE WILL PROBABLY SAY EVERYTHING SHE
01:59:52PM NEEDS TO SAY.
01:59:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO WE HAVE THE UNDERSTANDING ONE BITE OF
01:59:56PM THE APPLE.
01:59:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:59:59PM >>BILL CARLSON: IS EACH SIDE GOVERNED BY A TOTAL AMOUNT OF
02:00:05PM TIME.
02:00:05PM SO THEY CAN SPEAK AS LONG AS THEY WANT.
02:00:08PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SHE SAID SHE ONLY NEEDS SIX MINUTES.
02:00:11PM >>BILL CARLSON: I AM ASKING BECAUSE WE NEED TO SET THE
02:00:13PM PARAMETERS TO UNDERSTAND.
02:00:16PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THIS IS PART OF --
02:00:20PM >>BILL CARLSON: ASKING OF THE FORMAT.
02:00:22PM >> I AM ALISON ROBERTS.
02:00:24PM I RESIDE AT 3926 AMERICANA DRIVE.
02:00:27PM AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK YOU WITH TODAY.
02:00:30PM I WILL TRY TO USE THIS.
02:00:33PM ALL RIGHT, PERFECT.
02:00:37PM SO I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH THE SUMMARY THAT WAS PROVIDED TO
02:00:44PM YOU AND AGREE WITH AND HAVE SEEN MUCH OF THAT.
02:00:47PM I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL CONTEXT IN TERMS OF
02:00:53PM THE TIMELINE, IMPACT, AND REALLY, HOW WE GOT HERE.
02:00:58PM SO EXACTLY THREE MONTHS FROM THE DAY OF THE PROPERTY'S
02:01:01PM PURCHASE BY M2, THE ABOVE COMPLAINT WAS LOGGED INTO ACELA.
02:01:08PM THE CITY ISSUED A NOTICE OF VIOLATION RELATED TO ZONING
02:01:18PM ROUGHLY THREE WEEKS LATER, WHICH YOU CAN SEE WITH THIS FIRST
02:01:23PM RED ARROW ON 12/16/21.
02:01:28PM THE YELLOW DOTS THAT HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE -- YOU CAN SEE ON
02:01:32PM HERE, THEY REPRESENT CONCERTS, TICKETED CONCERTS GOING ON
02:01:37PM DURING THIS PERIOD.
02:01:38PM THREE DAYS -- THANK YOU.
02:01:42PM THREE DAYS AFTER THAT NOTICE OF VIOLATION, ANOTHER COMPLAINT
02:01:48PM WAS RECORDED IN ACELA BECAUSE THE CONCERTS CONTINUED AND THE
02:01:54PM SYSTEM WORKED AS IT SHOULD.
02:01:55PM MR. PIPER AND COUNSEL FOUND THEMSELVES IN A HEARING IN
02:01:59PM JANUARY.
02:01:59PM THE ENTIRE SWORN TESTIMONY IS TRULY WORTH LISTENING TO, BUT
02:02:06PM GIVEN OUR TIME LIMITATIONS I AM JUST GOING TO PROVIDE AN
02:02:09PM EXCERPT OF THAT.
02:02:10PM SO MR. PIPER, AS YOU SEE -- OR MR. PORTER, SORRY, EXPLAINED
02:02:16PM HIS CLIENT'S CONFUSION.
02:02:19PM HE ASKED FOR LENIENCY.
02:02:22PM HE INDICATED A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING GOING FORWARD AND A WHOLE
02:02:26PM SECOND DEGREE OF THE SUGGESTION THAT IS DEDICATED TO THE IC
02:02:30PM AND AGREEMENT AROUND GETTING TEMPORARY SPECIAL EVENTS
02:02:33PM PERMITS GOING FORWARD.
02:02:34PM SO IN JANUARY, 2022, WE ARE GOOD.
02:02:44PM BUT IN MARCH 2022 IS THE KICKOFF TO WATERS CONCERT SEASON
02:02:50PM AGAIN.
02:02:50PM AND THE UNDERSTANDING REACHED IN JANUARY DID NOT STOP WATR
02:02:55PM FROM GOING INTO FULL GEAR.
02:02:57PM AFTER MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS THAT YOU CAN SEE HERE IN MARCH --
02:03:06PM IN APRIL OR IN MAY BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THE CONCERTS GOING
02:03:08PM ON.
02:03:09PM A TICKETED CONCERT.
02:03:11PM WATR ASKS A FTN, WHICH WAS THEN USED TO CONTINUE CODE
02:03:18PM VIOLATION HEARINGS UNTIL AFTER THEIR CONCERT SEASON WHICH
02:03:22PM WAS OVER IN SEPTEMBER.
02:03:23PM 2022 HAD FIVE MONTHS OF REPORTED NONCOMPLIANCE.
02:03:27PM IN 2023 SPRING BREAK, THAT STARTED UP AGAIN.
02:03:33PM AND EVERYTHING STARTS AGAIN AND NUMEROUS DELAYS WITH FDN AND
02:03:43PM DRUG OUT THE ENTIRE 2023 CONCERT SEASON AND THE CITY DID NOT
02:03:48PM ENFORCE THE ZONING VIOLATIONS AT THIS TIME.
02:03:50PM ANOTHER YEAR.
02:03:51PM 2024 STARTED AGAIN.
02:03:52PM THIS IS NOW AFTER THE FDN.
02:03:55PM AFTER WE HAVE GONE IN FRONT OF YOU AND GO AT FORMAL
02:03:59PM DECISION.
02:03:59PM 2024.
02:04:01PM HERE WE GO AGAIN.
02:04:02PM SPRING BREAK STARTS.
02:04:03PM THE ENTIRE CYCLE.
02:04:06PM AGAIN, NUMEROUS DELAYS AND ASSOCIATED TACTICS AND HERE WE
02:04:10PM ARE AGAIN FOUR DAYS AFTER THE END OF THEIR CONCERT SEASON.
02:04:13PM TWO YEARS SINCE WE FOUND RELIEF AND EVEN THE $35,000 FINE
02:04:25PM HAD NO EFFECT AND THE BEHAVIORS CONTINUED UNABATED TODAY WE
02:04:33PM ARE TALKING OF SUSPENSION OF LIQUOR LICENSE AND LIQUOR
02:04:36PM SALES, I SUPPORT THIS WHOLEHEARTEDLY BUT ONLY HAS MEANING
02:04:40PM DURING THEIR CONCERT SEASON.
02:04:42PM AND I LOOKED UP FOR THE INFORMATION, GODFREY CABANA HAVE 2.1
02:04:48PM STARS RATING OUT OF FIVE.
02:04:49PM IT WAS KNOWN TO BE DIRTY AND MOLDY, DRUG INFESTED AND
02:04:54PM ALLEGED DRUG PROSTITUTION.
02:04:56PM THE BAR AND RESTAURANT IS A GHOST TOWN UNLESS THE CONCERT
02:04:59PM SEASON IS GOING ON.
02:05:01PM THAT IS WHY TIMING IS IMPORTANT HERE AGAIN, THIS ISN'T
02:05:11PM REALLY HARD TO FIGURE OUT.
02:05:12PM THE REST OF THE WORLD KNOWS THAT THESE ARE CONCERTS.
02:05:17PM TICKETMASTER HAS DEEJAYS LISTED UNDER THE CATEGORY OF
02:05:24PM "CONCERTS."
02:05:26PM THE SAME -- THE SAME PERFORMERS.
02:05:29PM AND WHY DOES IGNORING THE LAW AND PROCESS MATTER?
02:05:35PM SO ACCORDING TO WATR'S LEGAL COUNSEL ON BEHALF OF MR. PIPER.
02:05:41PM SINCE PIPER PRODUCTIONS, INCREASED PROFESSIONALISM, FEWER
02:05:46PM COMPLAINTS.
02:05:46PM AND IN 2021.
02:05:49PM SWORN TESTIMONY.
02:05:52PM AND A LOOK AT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED SINCE THAT
02:05:57PM STATEMENT IN 2021.
02:06:00PM I REVIEWED TPD'S CALLS FOR SERVICE OVER ONE YEAR IN 2022 AND
02:06:05PM A PORTION OF 2023.
02:06:08PM AND HERE IS WHAT I FOUND.
02:06:09PM 159 REPORTS OF DISTURBANCE OF MUSIC THE PERIOD OF LESS THAN
02:06:18PM TWO YEARS.
02:06:19PM 714 EVENTS OVER THE PERIOD OF LESS THAN TWO YEARS INCLUDING
02:06:24PM BAR CHECKS AND THAT KIND OF THING.
02:06:26PM THE ABOVE ANALYSIS DOESN'T INCLUDE OTHER PRECIOUS RESOURCE
02:06:29PM LIKE FIRE RESCUE AND OTHER CITY OF TAMPA'S OFFICIALS' TIMES.
02:06:34PM MULTIPLE CALLS FOR RAPE, SEXUAL BATTERY, PERSON IN CRISIS,
02:06:38PM GUNS, BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND A VARIETY OF
02:06:40PM OTHER VIOLENT CRIMES.
02:06:42PM AND I WILL ALSO SHARE WITH YOU THAT MULTIPLE PEOPLE HAVE
02:06:45PM TOLD ME THEY FEEL THREATEN BY MR. PIPER AND ONE WITNESS
02:06:49PM BACKED OUT THIS MORNING BECAUSE SHE IS TERRIFIED.
02:06:52PM 2014 AND 2015 SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES WITH MR. PIPER.
02:07:03PM SET UP CHECKPOINTS ON THE CALENDAR TO COINCIDE WITH THE
02:07:07PM CONCERT SEASON AT THIS LOCATION.
02:07:09PM ALLOWED FOR IMMEDIATE ACTION AND ONLY THEN DID THEY COME
02:07:13PM INTO COMPLIANCE OF ASK THAT THE CITY AGREE ON AN EXTENSION
02:07:23PM AND CHECKPOINTS.
02:07:24PM CAN RESTORE THE PROPERTY RIGHTS AND QUALITY OF LIFE TO
02:07:27PM SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS AND PROVIDE SOME SOLACE WHOSE
02:07:31PM LIVES HAVE BEEN PLACED IN JEOPARDY OR FOREVER CHANGED.
02:07:35PM THANK YOU.
02:07:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
02:07:37PM WHO IS THE NEXT SPEAKER?
02:07:48PM YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
02:07:49PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE , MY NAME IS KATIE HECKERT.
02:07:56PM DANA POINTS FOR OVER TEN YEARS AND I'M HERE BECAUSE I AM
02:08:01PM CONCERNED OF THE SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY.
02:08:02PM ON A RECENT AFTERNOON, I WAS OUT FOR A BICYCLE RIDE WITH MY
02:08:06PM HUSBAND AND OUR TWO CHILDREN, AGED FIVE AND EIGHT.
02:08:10PM ENJOYING A BEAUTIFUL RIDE ON THE COURTNEY CAMPBELL NEAR
02:08:19PM THE WATR.
02:08:19PM ON THE COURTNEY CAMPBELL TRAIL NEAR COURTNEY CAMPBELL
02:08:24PM CAUSEWAY LOCATED IN FRONT OF WATR.
02:08:26PM WAITING FOR THE LIGHT TO CHANGE TO CROSS THE ROAD THAT THE
02:08:30PM INTERSECTION, A GROUP OF YOUNG WOMEN WERE ATTEMPTING TO
02:08:34PM CROSS THE STREET DEPARTING WATR WITH A STEADY STREAM OF
02:08:37PM PEOPLE DEPART, WATR.
02:08:40PM AGAIN THIS IS MID AFTERNOON.
02:08:41PM YOUNG WOMEN WERE SO INTOXICATED THAT ONE FELL DOWN IN THE
02:08:46PM MIDDLE OF THE INTERSECTION.
02:08:47PM AND WITH AS TO INTOXICATED SHE COULD NOT STAND BACK UP AGAIN
02:08:51PM AND ADDITIONALLY HER FRIENDS WERE SO INTOXICATED THEY HAD A
02:08:56PM DIFFICULT GETTING HER ON HER FEET AND OUT OF THE MIDDLE OF
02:09:00PM THE INTERSECTION.
02:09:00PM I WAS CONCERNED I WAS GOING TO LEAVE MY CHILDREN AND THE
02:09:04PM BICYCLES ON THE EDGE OF THE STREET TO ENSURE THAT NONE OF
02:09:08PM THESE YOUNG WOMEN WERE HIT BY A CAR FORTUNATELY THEY WERE
02:09:24PM AND DEPART WATR, THE VAST MAJORITY WERE VISUALLY INTOXICATED
02:09:29PM AND WALKING TO THE NEARBY PARKING GARAGE PRESUMABLY TO DRIVE
02:09:33PM HOME.
02:09:33PM GIVEN THE SHOCKING LEVEL OF INTOXICATION OF THE CROWD MY
02:09:40PM FAMILY AND I DID NOT FEEL SAFE.
02:09:42PM WE WERE CONCERNED OF A CAR SWERVING OFF THE ROAD AND INTO
02:09:46PM THE SIDEWALKS HITTING US ON OUR BICYCLES GIVEN THE LEVEL OF
02:09:53PM INTOXICATION.
02:09:55PM I DIDN'T THINK WAS A GREAT ENVIRONMENT FOR MY CHILDREN EVEN
02:09:57PM THOUGH IT WAS LATE AFTERNOON.
02:09:59PM RATHER THAN CONTINUING OUR RIDE, WE MADE THE SAFE DECISION
02:10:04PM AND RODE HOME.
02:10:06PM I ONLY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO RIDE THE BEAUTIFUL TRAIL IN THE
02:10:10PM MORNINGS AND I HAVEN'T RETURNED AT ALL ABOUT MY CHILDREN.
02:10:12PM THAT INCIDENT LEFT ME FEELING UNEASY ABOUT THAT AREA AND
02:10:15PM WORRY OF POTENTIAL DRUNK DRIVERS IN THAT AREA AT ANY TIME OF
02:10:21PM DAY.
02:10:21PM DO WHATEVER YOU CAN TO ADDRESS THE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES
02:10:24PM STEMMING FROM THE ESTABLISHMENT AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
02:10:27PM YOUR TIME.
02:10:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHO IS NEXT?
02:10:36PM STATE YOUR NAME.
02:10:39PM >> BRIAN ROBERTS, AMERICANA DRIVE, APPROXIMATELY TWICE AS
02:10:43PM FAR AS THE PARKING LOT WHERE THE OFFICER HEARD OF NOISE.
02:10:46PM JUST -- I AM GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS VERY QUICK.
02:10:50PM THE OWNER OF WATR PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY 11 AUGUST OF 2021.
02:10:55PM SINCE THEN, I BELIEVE THERE HAS BEEN ROUGHLY 162 CONCERTS.
02:10:59PM IN A LITTLE OVER THREE YEARS.
02:11:02PM AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THE PD ALLOWS FOR FOUR TEMPORARY
02:11:06PM SPECIAL EVENTS, TWO WEEKS LONG, MAXIMUM USE SATURDAY AND
02:11:14PM SUNDAY FOR CONCERTS THAT WOULD BE 16 A YEAR.
02:11:17PM JANUARY 5, 2022, THE OWNERS OF PROPERTY SAID TO THE
02:11:21PM MAGISTRATE THEY UNDERSTOOD THE PD REQUIRED THEM TO FILE A
02:11:25PM TEMPORARY SPECIAL EVENTS PERMITS TO HOLD CONCERTS.
02:11:28PM SINCE AUGUST 11, I ONLY FOUND TWO -- YOU FOUND FOUR.
02:11:34PM I FOUNTAIN ONE FOR NEW YEAR EASE EVE ON 2021 AND ONE FOR
02:11:41PM 2023.
02:11:41PM IF MY COUNTS ARE ACCURATE, OVER 160 IRREPAIRABLE VIOLATIONS
02:11:47PM SINCE THE OWNER HAS TAKEN POSSESSION.
02:11:49PM I WILL HIGHLIGHT THE CONCERTS BEFORE AND AFTER RESOLUTION
02:11:53PM 889.
02:11:53PM I SET THIS PDF TO YOU GUYS, BUT YOU CAN LOOK UP ALL THE
02:12:00PM DATES OF ALL THE CONCERTS THESE WERE CALL FROM THE
02:12:12PM SMUGMUG.COM WHERE PIPER PRODUCTIONS HAVE THEIR MATERIALS.
02:12:15PM THIS WILL BE MARCH THROUGH MARCH 6 ARE 2023.
02:12:25PM SEVEN CONCERTS, APRIL 7-23, NINE CONCERTS.
02:12:31PM MAY 6-MAY 29, 2023.
02:12:37PM NINE CONCERTS.
02:12:38PM 6/3/23 THROUGH 7/25/23.
02:12:48PM 7-1 THROUGH 7-29, 11 CONCERTS.
02:12:52PM 8-5 THROUGH 8-4, 11 CONCERTS.
02:12:56PM RESOLUTION 23-889 GOES OFFICIAL SEPTEMBER 29, 2023.
02:13:04PM TWO TICKETED CONCERTS 9/16-17.
02:13:08PM 2023.
02:13:10PM WATR, 2024.
02:13:12PM MARCH 23 THROUGH APRIL 21, NINE TICKETED CONCERTS.
02:13:20PM SORRY, APRIL 27 THROUGH MAY 26, NINE CONCERTS.
02:13:27PM MAY 27-6/29.
02:13:33PM NINE CONCERTS 6/30 THROUGH 7/28, TEN CONCERTS.
02:13:42PM 8 HAD BEEN 3 THROUGH 67 OF THIS YEAR, NINE CONCERTS.
02:13:48PM IN CLOSING, BASED ON THE ANALYSIS I HAVE DONE, PRIOR TO THE
02:13:57PM SEPTEMBER 23, TWO PER WEEKEND AND MORE ON HOLIDAYS.
02:14:02PM AVERAGE WILLING TWO CONCERTS PER WEEKEND AND MORE ON
02:14:04PM HOLIDAYS.
02:14:05PM TO ME IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE RESOLUTION 889 HAD MUCH OF THE
02:14:10PM IMPACT ON THE LAND USE FROM THE CURRENT OWNER.
02:14:13PM PLEASE HELP.
02:14:14PM PLEASE TAKE YOUR TIME WHEN APPLYING WHATEVER PENALTY YOU ARE
02:14:20PM GOING TO APPLY YOU HAVE UNTIL THE END OF MARCH TO FIGURE OUT
02:14:27PM WHEN TO DO IT.
02:14:28PM IF YOU APPLY IT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
02:14:31PM THERE WILL BE NO IMPACT.
02:14:32PM THE BAR IS COMPLETELY DEAD RIGHT NOW.
02:14:34PM PLEASE TAKE YOUR TIME.
02:14:35PM THINK THERE IF SOMETHING ELSE YOU CAN PUT IN PLACE TO USE TO
02:14:40PM APPLY THIS.
02:14:41PM THERE IS OBVIOUSLY A REAL PROBLEM OUT THERE AND THEY DON'T
02:14:44PM HAVE MUCH OF A THOUGHT FOR WHAT YOU GUYS SAY.
02:14:52PM THIS WILL BE 2025.
02:14:54PM NEXT YEAR, THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO A LAND USE CHANGE
02:14:57PM WHERE THEY MAY ASK FOR COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE.
02:14:59PM IF THAT GETS STUCK IN THE COURTS, WE WILL BE HERE THIS TIME
02:15:03PM THIS YEAR GOING, GEE, THEY HAD ANOTHER CONCERT SEASON.
02:15:06PM PLEASE, TAKE ALL OF THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU
02:15:08PM DETERMINE WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO AND HOW YOU ARE GOING TO
02:15:11PM DO IT.
02:15:11PM THANK YOU.
02:15:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:15:13PM WHO IS NEXT.
02:15:21PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: MR. SPEAKER, ONE SPEAKER FOR THE
02:15:25PM CITY'S CASE AND ONE SPEAKER FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
02:15:31PM >> HI.
02:15:32PM THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU TODAY.
02:15:34PM RENEE SALZMAN.
02:15:36PM 2936 VERSAILLES DRIVE IN DANA SHORES.
02:15:41PM TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE I LIVE.
02:15:43PM THIS WILL COME UP ON THE SCREEN HERE.
02:15:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, WE SEE IT.
02:15:47PM >> THIS IS, OF COURSE, WATR.
02:15:50PM AND I LIVE ALL THE WAY OVER HERE I CAN HEAR THEIR MUSIC
02:15:59PM REGULARLY.
02:15:59PM OUR HUSBAND AND I SPENT $10,000 ON IMPACT WINDOWS TO NOT
02:16:05PM HEAR WATR.
02:16:07PM WE ARE GETTING READY TO SPEND ANOTHER $19,000 SO WE DO NOT
02:16:11PM HEAR THE LOUD BASS IN OUR HOUSE.
02:16:13PM BUT MY MAIN POINT IS.
02:16:20PM I HAVE A VIDEO TO SHOW YOU.
02:16:21PM THIS IS ONLY AN EXPERIMENT.
02:16:26PM 40 SECONDS LONG AND IF YOU ALLOW ME TO PLAY IT FOR YOU.
02:16:30PM IT HAS BEEN DATED WHICH IS VERY HELPFUL 2024.
02:16:38PM A GOOD REPRESENTATION HOW WATER KICKED OFF THE START OF
02:16:41PM THEIR 2024 SEASON BUT ALSO A REPRESENTATION OF WHAT HAS
02:16:45PM CONTINUED THROUGH THE REGULAR SEASON WHICH APPARENTLY JUST
02:16:49PM WRAPPED UP THIS LAST WEEKEND.
02:17:10PM [MUSIC]
02:17:52PM AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT ANY REASONABLE PERSON WHO IS HONEST
02:17:55PM CAN ARGUE THAT IS NOT A CONCERT.
02:17:59PM WE HAVE SOME OF THE HIGHEST PAYING TOURING MUSICIANS IN
02:18:03PM ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY WITH DANCERS, CROWD INTERACTION,
02:18:08PM INSTRUMENTS, ETC.
02:18:09PM WE ALSO HAVE TICKETS HERE FOR GENERAL ADMIRATION ASSOCIATED
02:18:18PM WITH PERIOD OF TIME FOR 2024.
02:18:20PM AND I WILL JUST BRIEFLY SHOW YOU THE TICKETS AND THE TIME
02:18:25PM DATES.
02:18:25PM WE DIDN'T WANT TO PRINT ALL OF THEM OUT FOR YOU, BUT MARCH
02:18:32PM 23 OF 2024.
02:18:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, TURN IT OVER.
02:18:36PM >> I AM SO SORRY.
02:18:38PM AND THE DATES CONTINUE THERE.
02:18:40PM PUT THIS DOWN A LITTLE FURTHER.
02:18:42PM AND I JUST HAVE THREE SHEETS VERY QUICKLY TO SHOW YOU.
02:18:56PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU ARE GOING TO TOO FAST.
02:18:58PM >> SORRY.
02:18:58PM I DON'T WANT TO TAKE TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME.
02:19:02PM I CAN TURN ALL OF THIS INTO YOU.
02:19:05PM I DON'T NEED ANY OF THIS PAPERWORK.
02:19:08PM WE ALSO HAVE CONCERTS THAT SHOW VIP OPTION AT NEARLY THE
02:19:27PM GENERAL PRICE OF GENERAL ADMISSION TICKETS.
02:19:30PM AND HERE YOU WILL SEE THAT THE VIP TICKET IS $65.
02:19:37PM OOPS.
02:19:38PM BRING THAT DOWN A LITTLE BIT SO YOU CAN SEE THE PRICE OF
02:19:41PM THAT TICKET.
02:19:41PM $65.
02:19:44PM THE PROMOTER PROVIDED TABLE OPTION WHICH IS SIMILAR TO
02:19:55PM SPORTING EVENTS, LIKE HOCKEY EVENTS, FOR THE PRICE OF WHAT
02:19:58PM THE TICKETS ARE FOR.
02:19:59PM SORRY THAT IS NOT CLEARER.
02:20:10PM SO ANYWAY, I COULDN'T FIT ALL OF THE PAGES FOR ALL OF THE
02:20:15PM OPTIONS FOR THE TABLES AND THE CABANA RANGE FROM $175 TO
02:20:24PM $750 A TABLE.
02:20:27PM AND HERE IS WHAT I COME TO AN STANDING THROUGH WITH THE
02:20:32PM NUMBERS OF TICKET SALES, CABANA SALES, TABLE SALES, ALCOHOL
02:20:37PM SALES.
02:20:37PM IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT NOT IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO
02:20:41PM INCENTIVIZE COMPLIANCE MAINLY THROUGH FINES AS WE HAVE
02:20:46PM CONTINUED TO SEE WITH WATR.
02:20:49PM I THINK AT THIS POINT, THEY PROBABLY JUST SEE IT AS A COST
02:20:52PM OF DOING BUSINESS, BECAUSE THEY ARE MAKING SO MUCH MONEY.
02:20:55PM BUT IT ALSO SHOWS WATR'S BLATANT LACK OF RESPECT FOR THE
02:21:00PM CITY'S LAW AND ORDINANCES.
02:21:02PM AND I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE IMPOSE THE MAXIMUM SUSPENSION
02:21:06PM OF WATR'S ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES.
02:21:08PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
02:21:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:21:12PM MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ.
02:21:15PM YOU SAID ONE PERSON FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
02:21:23PM >> MAY I ADD SOMETHING ALSO.
02:21:25PM REPEATED TIMES I HAD TO CALL THE POLICE TO TALK ABOUT THE
02:21:29PM NOISE IN MY HOME THAT WE CAN SEE IN OUR HOME.
02:21:33PM AND ON ONE OF THEM, ONE OF THE OFFICERS CAME OUT AS THEY ARE
02:21:37PM ALWAYS SO HELPFUL.
02:21:38PM MR. PIPER SHOWED UP AT MY HOUSE.
02:21:41PM AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS HE WAS STANDING AT ONE OF THE
02:21:45PM OFFICERS THAT THEY HIRED, BUT IT MADE ME VERY UNCOMFORTABLE
02:21:49PM THAT I AM CALLING TO MAKE A COMPLAINT, AND THIS MAN SHOWS UP
02:21:53PM AT MY HOUSE.
02:21:54PM ALSO ONE OTHER TIME I WENT THERE AND I SAID, LISTEN,
02:21:59PM OBVIOUSLY IN THE LAST TEN YEARS, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN VERY FAR
02:22:02PM WITH YOU.
02:22:03PM JUST BE A BETTER NEIGHBOR AND TURN DOWN THE MUSIC.
02:22:06PM JUST, YOU KNOW, CALM IT DOWN.
02:22:08PM TURN DOWN YOUR BASS A LITTLE BIT.
02:22:12PM HE KIND OF GOT IN MY FACE ALL PUFFED OUT AND SAID I HAVE THE
02:22:17PM RIGHT TO BE HERE AND PLAY IT AS LOUD AS I WANT.
02:22:21PM I SAID YOU HAVE NIGHT SHIFT WORKERS, BABIES, PEOPLE WHO LIVE
02:22:24PM NEARBY.
02:22:24PM I SAID WHEN I GO OVER TO MY FRIEND'S HOUSE, HER WINDOWS AND
02:22:29PM DOORS ARE LITERALLY VIBRATING BECAUSE YOUR BASS IS SO LOUD
02:22:33PM AND THE MUSIC IS SO LOUD.
02:22:35PM I WANTED TO END ON THAT NOTE.
02:22:37PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
02:22:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:22:41PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
02:22:43PM DEPARTMENT.
02:22:43PM AGAIN, CHAIR, A COUPLE OF HOUSEKEEPING THINGS.
02:22:48PM ITEMS ON THE ELMO ON BEHALF OF THE CITY I WOULD LIKE TO
02:22:51PM SUBMIT FOR THE RECORD AND I HAVE MISS ROBERTS' DOCUMENTS
02:22:55PM THAT SHE SHOWED AND MR. ROBERTS.
02:22:57PM AT THE CONCLUSION OF MY REMARKS I WILL HAND IT OVER TO MR.
02:23:02PM SHELBY FOR THE RECORD.
02:23:04PM THE CITY BELIEVES ESTABLISHED VIOLATIONS OF EXCEPTION
02:23:08PM 23-318-C-1, SUB CONNECTION D, SUBSECTIONS L AND
02:23:15PM SUBSECTIONS N BASED ON TESTIMONY YOU RECEIVED AT THIS
02:23:18PM HEARING AT THIS POINT.
02:23:19PM THE CITY IS ASKING THAT CITY COUNCIL FIND A FIRST VIOLATION.
02:23:22PM YOU RECALL PURSUANT TO THIS SELECTION, FIRST VIOLATION CARRY
02:23:27PM AS PENALTY OF 30-DAY SUSPENSION.
02:23:30PM AND PROGRESSIVE PENALTIES FOR SECOND AND THIRD VIOLATIONS.
02:23:34PM SO WE ARE ASKING FOR A FINDING OF CITY COUNCIL FOR FIRST
02:23:38PM VIOLATION IN POSITION OF THE MAXIMUM SUSPENSION PERIOD OF 30
02:23:41PM DAYS AT THE CONCLUSION OF THIS HEARING.
02:23:43PM AND IF -- IF THAT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE, I CAN ASSIST WITH
02:23:52PM THOSE TIME FRAMES BECAUSE WE WILL NEED DATES AND SOMETIMES
02:23:56PM FOR THE SUSPENSION.
02:23:56PM I BELIEVE MISS BATSEL IS HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY
02:24:01PM OWNER AND ONE OTHER RESIDENT WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK DURING
02:24:05PM PUBLIC COMMENT.
02:24:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AT THIS TIME MISS BATSEL AND THEN PUBLIC
02:24:10PM COMMENT.
02:24:11PM MISS BATSEL, PLEASE COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME.
02:24:14PM YOU MAY BEGIN.
02:24:15PM >> ELISE BATSEL, STEARNS, WEAVER, MILLER FOR THE RECORD.
02:24:20PM CAN I HAVE THE PRESENTATION PLEASE?
02:24:22PM BEFORE I GET STARTED, I DID WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I AM
02:24:25PM NOT JIM PORTER.
02:24:26PM AND WE ARE NOT HERE REPRESENTING PIED PIPER.
02:24:30PM WE ARE HERE REPRESENTING THE LANDOWNER M2 TAMPA WILL,LC.
02:24:35PM WITH ME IS NATHAN LOGAN, THE GENERAL COUNSEL OF M2.
02:24:41PM FLEW FROM CHICAGO TO BE HERE AT THIS HEARINGS.
02:24:44PM BEFORE WE GO TO THE PRESENTATION, THE OWNER IS HERE TO FULLY
02:24:47PM TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND NOT TO CONTEST ANY EVIDENCE THAT IS
02:24:50PM PRESENTED INTO THE RECORD TODAY.
02:24:51PM WE ALSO WOULD LIKE TO BE HERE ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER TO
02:24:55PM APOLOGIZE TO THE CITY COUNCIL, TO APOLOGIZE TO STAFF WHO
02:24:59PM SPENT ENDLESS HOURS ON THIS MATTER AND TO APOLOGIZE TO THE
02:25:03PM COMMUNITY.
02:25:03PM MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE ARE GOING TO INFORM YOU AS OF THIS
02:25:06PM MORNING, THE RELATIONSHIP AND AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE OWNER
02:25:09PM AND PIED PIPER HAS BEEN TERMINATED.
02:25:11PM THOSE ARE VERY IMPORTANT FACTS WE WANT TO YOU KNOW BEFORE WE
02:25:14PM START INTO ANY INFORMATION TODAY.
02:25:32PM WHAT AM I DOING WRONG?
02:25:38PM IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE WORKING.
02:25:40PM THAT'S OKAY.
02:25:46PM I HAVE A PAPER COPY.
02:25:48PM ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE A PAPER COPY JUST IN CASE.
02:25:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
02:25:53PM >> THAT'S GOOD --
02:25:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THERE IT IS.
02:25:58PM >> OH, HERE.
02:26:00PM >> THERE IT IS.
02:26:03PM IT IS WORKING NOW.
02:26:04PM >> THANK YOU.
02:26:05PM YOU KNOW WHERE THE PROPERTY IS.
02:26:09PM I AM NOT GOING TO REPEAT WHAT MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ ALREADY
02:26:16PM INDICATED TO YOU.
02:26:16PM THE OUTLINE OF THE AB PERMIT.
02:26:19PM I DID WANT TO PUT ON THE RECORD THAT OBVIOUSLY THINGS ARE
02:26:24PM GOING TO CHANGE OUT THERE.
02:26:25PM BUT I WANTED TO COUNCIL TO UNDERSTAND AND KNOW THAT IF YOU
02:26:29PM LOOK AT THE LOCATION OF ALL OF THE AREAS WHERE THERE ARE
02:26:32PM MUSIC VENUES AND OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT VENUES.
02:26:36PM I DID WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THERE ARE ADDITIONAL VENUES CLOSE
02:26:40PM TO THE NEIGHBORS AND CLOSE TO DANA SHORES.
02:26:42PM SO IF THERE ARE NOISE VIOLATIONS IN THE FUTURE, WE ARE GOING
02:26:45PM TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A LOT OF INFORMATION HOW WE ARE GOING TO
02:26:49PM PROTECT, BUT WE WANTED TO GEOGRAPHICALLY TO UNDERSTAND THAT
02:26:53PM DASH THAT M2'S PROPERTY IS NOT THE ONLY PROPERTY OUT THERE
02:26:57PM THAT DOES HAVE ENTERTAINMENT AND OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT.
02:27:00PM MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ ALREADY WENT OVER THE PERMIT HISTORY.
02:27:08PM I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TIMELINE, BECAUSE FROM
02:27:15PM AN OWNERSHIP PERSPECTIVE, OCTOBER 13 HAPPENED WHEN YOU ALL
02:27:18PM HAD THE FORMAL DETERMINATION.
02:27:21PM ERIC COTTON DETERMINED THAT IT THE ISSUE OF WHETHER OUTDOOR
02:27:25PM TICKETED CONCERTS INCLUDED THE DEEJAY EVENT THAT WAS
02:27:30PM APPEALED TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.
02:27:32PM THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE CAME BACK TO YOU WITH THEIR
02:27:35PM RECOMMENDATION AND YOU FOUND YOUR FINDING.
02:27:38PM SEPTEMBER 11, 2023, MR. PORTER AND MIKE PIPER FILED A
02:27:44PM PETITION FOR WRIT OF CERTIORI OF CITY OF TAMPA'S DECISION
02:27:58PM AND THAT ORDER IS IN LIMBO AND NOT SHOWN CAUSE.
02:28:01PM NO NEW NOISE VIOLATIONS OR ANYTHING ISSUED SINCE THAT PERIOD
02:28:05PM OF TIME IN SEPTEMBER OF 2023.
02:28:07PM SO WHEN THEY GOT THE NOTICE OF INTENT SAYING THAT THERE WAS
02:28:11PM AN ISSUE TODAY ABOUT SUSPENDING THEIR LICENSE, THEY WERE
02:28:14PM ACTUALLY SURPRISED.
02:28:15PM I WILL TELL YOU THAT -- AND NATHAN WILL TELL YOU THAT
02:28:19PM OWNERSHIP HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT ASLEEP AT THE SWITCH, BUT
02:28:23PM THE NOTICE OF INTENT GOT THEIR ATTENTION AND WE ARE HERE
02:28:26PM TODAY TO TURN THINGS AROUND AND MAKE THAT RIGHT.
02:28:28PM SO THE OWNER IS COMMITTING TO SEVERAL THINGS.
02:28:33PM ONE, WE ARE GOING TO RESOLVES ANY KIND OF CODE
02:28:38PM ENFORCEMENT LIENS ON THE PROPERTY A THIS TIME.
02:28:41PM WE JUST GOT INVOLVED.
02:28:42PM WE UNDERSTAND OUTSTANDING FINES THAT WILL BE PAID AS SOON AS
02:28:46PM POSSIBLE, BUT DEFINITELY WITHIN 30 DAYS AND NEED TO KNOW THE
02:28:49PM PAYOFF AMOUNTS WITH THE CITY.
02:28:51PM WE WILL RESOLVE ANY OUTSTANDING PERMITTING ISSUES.
02:28:54PM RECENTLY DISCOVERED THROUGH OUR DUE DILIGENCE THERE IS A
02:28:58PM STAGE OUT THERE UNPERMITTED.
02:29:00PM WE CONFIRMED WE WILL BE TAKING THAT STAGE DOWN.
02:29:02PM WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO GET A DEMO PERMIT FROM THE CITY TO
02:29:05PM DO THAT.
02:29:06PM SO I DON'T HAVE A TIMING ON HERE.
02:29:07PM WE WILL WORK AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE BUT REQUIRE THE CITY TO
02:29:11PM ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE, ISSUE A DEMO PERMIT AND WORK WITH ERIC
02:29:16PM IN BUILDING PERMIT AND CAMARIA TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS.
02:29:21PM FIRST TO ESTABLISH A OWNER POINT-TO-POINT WITH THE CITY IF
02:29:26PM THERE ARE ANY ISSUES AND THINGS DON'T GO EXACTLY AS PLANNED
02:29:30PM SO THERE WILL BE NO MORE MISCOMMUNICATION.
02:29:33PM WE DO HAVE A REQUEST IN LIGHT OF THAT INFORMATION.
02:29:35PM WE WOULD REQUEST A 15-DAY SUSPENSION.
02:29:39PM THIS IS AN OPERATING HOTEL.
02:29:41PM THERE IS A RESTAURANT INSIDE.
02:29:42PM THERE ARE INDOOR EVENTS AND EVENTS THAT DON'T INVOLVED PIPER
02:29:47PM -- PIED PIPER ENTERTAINMENT HAPPENING AT THE HOTEL.
02:29:51PM SO WE WOULD REQUEST A 15-DAY SUSPENSION TO THE OUTDOORS
02:29:56PM ONLY.
02:29:56PM OBVIOUSLY THE NOISE ISSUES RELATE TO OUTDOORS AND HOW IT IS
02:30:00PM CARED OVER WATER.
02:30:01PM BUT WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU WOULD, YOU KNOW, ALLOW
02:30:06PM ALCOHOL TO BE SERVED IN THE RESTAURANT INSIDE.
02:30:09PM WE CAN REGULATE THAT THROUGH SIGNAGE JUST LIKE DO YOU
02:30:13PM ANYWHERE WHERE THE LIMITS OF ALCOHOL BEVERAGE.
02:30:16PM YOU CANNOT CARRY ALCOHOL BEYOND THAT POINT.
02:30:18PM WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
02:30:24PM WE ARE NOT CONTESTING THE INFORMATION OR NOTICE OF INTENT.
02:30:28PM WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
02:30:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
02:30:31PM ANY QUESTIONS?
02:30:33PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:30:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
02:30:34PM SO YOU TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU ARE THE OWNER OF THE
02:30:39PM BUILDING.
02:30:39PM AND THE PROPERTY.
02:30:42PM TERMINATED THE CONTRACT WITH --
02:30:44PM >> THE AGREEMENT.
02:30:45PM IT WAS NOT A WRITTEN CONTRACT.
02:30:46PM IT WAS ARRANGEMENT AND AGREEMENT WITH PIED PIPER.
02:30:52PM YES.
02:30:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO NO WRITTEN -- NOTHING WRITTEN THAT SAYS
02:30:57PM THIS HAS STOPPED.
02:30:58PM >> NO, BUT NATHAN LOGAN, THE GENERAL COUNSEL CAN CONFIRM
02:31:02PM THAT ON THE RECORD FOR YOU.
02:31:03PM HE DELIVERED THAT NEWS TO MR. PIPE THEY ARE MORNING.
02:31:06PM WE WILL BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY TO YOU ON THE RECORD.
02:31:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR TESTIMONY ON THE RECORD
02:31:10PM AND ALSO WOULD PROBABLY LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING WRITTEN.
02:31:13PM I THINK THAT WOULD --
02:31:15PM >> SINCE THERE IS NO WRITTEN AGREEMENT WE CAN PUT A LETTER
02:31:18PM TO HIM AND SUBMIT IT TO THE CITY WITHIN 30 DAYS, IT WILL BE
02:31:21PM SAYING THAT THE ARRANGEMENT -- NOT A WRITTEN ARRANGEMENTS.
02:31:24PM IT HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON MANY YEARS
02:31:28PM BEFORE OUR CLIENT OWNED THE PROPERTY.
02:31:29PM SO THERE IS NOTHING TECHNICALLY TO TERMINATE OTHER THAN THE
02:31:35PM VERBAL ARRANGEMENTS THAT THE HAS BEEN HAPPENING.
02:31:37PM BUT I WILL HAVE NATHAN TESTIFY ON THE RECORD AND WE WILL BE
02:31:40PM HAPPY TO WRITE A LETTER TO MR. PIPER OUTLINING THIS AND COPY
02:31:45PM CITY COUNCIL.
02:31:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
02:31:46PM >> NATHAN, DO YOU WANT TO PROVIDE THAT TESTIMONY.
02:31:50PM NAME AND DRESS FOR THE RECORD.
02:31:52PM >> NATHAN LOGAN, GLENVIEW, ILLINOIS.
02:31:56PM 1515 LONG VALLEY ROAD.
02:31:58PM I ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH MIKE PIPER LAST NIGHT AND DELIVERED
02:32:02PM THE MESSAGE WE WON'T BE HOLD ANYTHING OR EVENTS AT .
02:32:07PM HE WOULD NOT BE INVOLVED GOING FORWARD.
02:32:09PM AS SHE SAID, WE WILL WRITE A LETTER TO THAT EFFECT.
02:32:13PM THE TESTIMONY TODAY IS LITTLE BIT MOVING.
02:32:16PM WE UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION A LOT BETTER THAN WE HAD PRIOR.
02:32:19PM SO THAT IS THE PLAN.
02:32:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
02:32:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
02:32:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME SEE ANY HEARD RIGHT.
02:32:29PM HEARD EVERYBODY SPEAK IN A LOW VOICE AND I DON'T HEAR VERY
02:32:33PM WELL.
02:32:33PM I DON'T COMB MY HAIR VERY WELL EITHER.
02:32:35PM BUT -- ARE WE SAYING THAT YOU HAD A BUSINESS ARRANGEMENTS
02:32:40PM WITH SOMEONE OR SOMEONE YOU WITH, SOMEONE WITH SOMEBODY ELSE
02:32:42PM THAT WAS NEVER -- NEVER NOTHING WRITTEN?
02:32:47PM >> THAT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING.
02:32:48PM WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.
02:32:49PM THESE THINGS WERE ALREADY GOING ON.
02:32:51PM WE HAVE -- YOU KNOW, WE MANAGE A LOT OF HOTELS AROUND THE
02:32:56PM COUNTRY.
02:32:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM NOT A LAWYER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT
02:32:59PM AND DON'T WANT TO BE ONE.
02:33:00PM >> NO, YOU DON'T, SIR.
02:33:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: BUT IT WOULD BE AN ENORMOUS
02:33:07PM RESPONSIBILITY TO THE OWNER, LIABILITY.
02:33:09PM NOT THE VENDOR.
02:33:10PM >> WE ARE SEEING THAT HERE, I BELIEVE, YES.
02:33:14PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM A CRIMINOLOGIST.
02:33:16PM I AM NOT A LAWYER.
02:33:17PM THANK YOU.
02:33:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE?
02:33:22PM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
02:33:23PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES, THANK YOU, CHAIR.
02:33:26PM YOUR COMPANY CAME FROM OUT OF TOWN TODAY TO BE REPRESENTED
02:33:30PM AT THIS HEARING, CORRECT?
02:33:33PM DID YOU SAUL KNOW OF THE PROBLEMS IN THE PAST?
02:33:35PM HOW LONG HAVE YOU KNOWN.
02:33:39PM >> I DON'T HAVE A TIMELINE IN MY MIND, BUT I KNOW -- LIKE I
02:33:43PM SAID, WE HAVE BEEN RELYING ON ARE OUR LOCAL PEOPLE,
02:33:48PM INCLUDING THE PROMOTER THAT HAD BEEN RUNNING SHOWS AT THIS
02:33:50PM CLUB SINCE BEFORE WE BOUGHT IT.
02:33:52PM HE HAD WHAT WE DETERMINED TO BE COMPETENT COUNSEL, MR.
02:34:00PM PORTER, REPRESENTING HIM.
02:34:02PM AND HE WAS TELLING US, YES, WE GOT THIS VIOLATION AND THIS
02:34:07PM VIOLATION AND THIS DEFENSE AND THAT DEFENSE.
02:34:09PM AND WE WERE KIND OF LETTING HIM HANDLE IT BECAUSE IT SEEMED
02:34:12PM LIKE HE WAS HANDLING IT.
02:34:13PM BUT AS 'LEASE POINTED OUT, THIS -- THIS PROCEEDING TODAY GOT
02:34:21PM OUR ATTENTION AND SO NOW I'M HERE AND SORRY NOR NOT BEING
02:34:24PM HERE EARLIER.
02:34:25PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SEEMS SO LOOSE FOR ME FROM A BUSINESS
02:34:28PM PERSPECTIVE.
02:34:29PM ESPECIALLY IN REGARDS TO THE ATTORNEY ASKING FOR SUCH A
02:34:32PM LENIENT, YOU KNOW FINE.
02:34:36PM I AM JUST TRYING TO RELATE IT TO THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT THE
02:34:40PM TESTIMONY HAS BEEN PRESENTED FROM -- FROM THE RESIDENTS OF
02:34:46PM THE NEARBY FACILITY.
02:34:48PM AND IT JUST HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
02:34:52PM I AM JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY YOU EVEN HAD TO COME
02:34:56PM TODAY IF YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING.
02:34:57PM >> I AM NOT SURE HOW TO RESPOND TO THIS.
02:35:03PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHY -- WHAT DO YOU KNOW.
02:35:06PM HOW ABOUT THAT.
02:35:07PM THAT MAY BE AN EASIER QUESTION.
02:35:09PM WHAT DO YOU KNOW.
02:35:10PM >> WELL, NOW I REALIZE THAT THE PROMOTER WE HAVE OPINION
02:35:14PM RELYING ON FOR INFORMATION OF THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY
02:35:17PM WAS GIVING US A PARTIAL VIEW OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING.
02:35:20PM AND THE LEGAL POSITION AND THE ISSUES INVOLVED.
02:35:26PM >> I CAN SUPPLEMENT THAT TOO --
02:35:29PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I DON'T A SUPPLEMENT FROM THE LAWYER.
02:35:31PM I WANT TO HEAR FROM HIM.
02:35:33PM >> SO, I AM SORRY, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION, WHY NOW?
02:35:38PM WELL, OBVIOUSLY A HOTEL WITHOUT A LIQUOR LICENSE IS AT A
02:35:41PM BUSINESS DISADVANTAGE.
02:35:43PM SO WE WOULD LIKE TO RETAIN OUR LIQUOR LICENSE AND I
02:35:46PM UNDERSTAND THAT THINGS KEEP GOING THE DIRECTION THEY ARE
02:35:49PM GOING, WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
02:35:52PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: DO YOU THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME LEVEL
02:35:55PM OF PUNISHMENT.
02:35:56PM DO YOU THINK IT SHOULD ONLY BE 15 DAYS?
02:35:59PM I CAN'T ASK THAT QUESTION?
02:36:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY?
02:36:03PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I MEAN, IT IS JUST A MATTER --
02:36:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY SUGGESTION.
02:36:07PM IT IS A RHETORICAL QUESTION.
02:36:09PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: IT IS A RHETORICAL QUESTION -- YOU KNOW
02:36:12PM WHAT, I OBVIOUSLY AM NOT SKILLED AT THESE HEARINGS.
02:36:17PM I HAVE AN OPINION.
02:36:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEY DON'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN.
02:36:20PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE HAVE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD BEFORE.
02:36:22PM AND SO I JUST WILL WAIT UNTIL THE END.
02:36:26PM I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
02:36:28PM BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, SIR.
02:36:30PM >> POINT OF ORDER.
02:36:31PM WITH RESPECT TO THE LAST QUESTION, WE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL
02:36:34PM TESTIMONY TO PROVIDE TO THE RECORD.
02:36:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: A THIS POINT IN TIME, COUNCIL, IT WILL BE
02:36:40PM APPROPRIATE TO HAVE YOUR QUESTIONS ASKED AND ANSWERED AND WE
02:36:43PM WILL GET TO THE OTHER POINTS DOWN THE ROAD, COUNCILWOMAN.
02:36:45PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT IS TRUE TOO.
02:36:47PM THAT WAS NOT THE TIME FOR ME TO PONTIFICATE.
02:36:51PM >> JUST FOR ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION, AGAIN, ELISE BATSEL
02:36:56PM FOR THE RECORD.
02:36:56PM WE WERE RETAINED ABOUT THREE AND A HALF WEEKS AGO.
02:37:01PM WE HAD YEARS' WORTH OF RESEARCH TO DO TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HAD
02:37:05PM HAPPENED AND WHEN.
02:37:06PM WE DID A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST AND IT WAS SO VAST THAT THE
02:37:10PM CITY HAD TROUBLE PROVIDING US WITH ALL THE DOCUMENTS.
02:37:13PM WE STILL DON'T HAVE EVERYTHING, BUT SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ WAS
02:37:16PM VERY HELPFUL FOR GETTING US SOME CRITICAL INFORMATION FOR
02:37:20PM THIS HEARINGS.
02:37:20PM SO WHEN WE SAY WE ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS IT, THERE IS A LOT
02:37:25PM OF HISTORY AND A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT WE HAD TO GET
02:37:27PM CAUGHT UP ON IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME TO UNDERSTAND
02:37:32PM THE HISTORY OF THE VIOLATIONS, WHAT WAS HAPPENING AT THE
02:37:35PM PROPERTY, AND SO WHEN MR. LOGAN SAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, HE IS
02:37:40PM HERE TODAY BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN PIECING THIS INFORMATION
02:37:42PM TOGETHER OVER THE LAST THREE AND A HALF WEEKS.
02:37:45PM AND THAT HE THOUGHT IT WAS BORN ENOUGH TO TALK TO YOU AND BE
02:37:49PM HERE IN PERSON.
02:37:50PM SO I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE RECORD AND WE STILL
02:37:53PM DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION FROM THE PUBLIC RECORDS
02:37:55PM REQUEST, BUT WE DID THE BEST WE COULD TODAY AND GOT ENOUGH
02:37:58PM INFORMATION TO KNOW THAT WE ARE COMING BEFORE YOU SAYING WE
02:38:01PM ARE NOT CONTESTING THAT INFORMATION.
02:38:04PM WE ARE ACCEPTING RESPONSIBILITY.
02:38:06PM PART OF THAT REQUEST FOR LENIENCY IS, WE ARE -- WE ARE -- WE
02:38:10PM UNDERSTAND IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
02:38:12PM BUT AGAIN I THINK THE OWNER WAS LED A LITTLE ASTRAY WITH THE
02:38:18PM RESPECT OF HOW EVERYTHING TRANSPIRED AND MAYBE GOT PARTIAL
02:38:22PM INFORMATION.
02:38:22PM THANK YOU.
02:38:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, MIRANDA, CLENDENIN.
02:38:26PM >>BILL CARLSON: MISS BATSEL AND UNDERSTANDING EVERYTHING YOU
02:38:32PM JUST SAID OF TRYING TO GET INTO THIS.
02:38:37PM TWO QUESTIONS.
02:38:39PM I WILL TRY TO PUT THEM OUT AT THE SAME TIME.
02:38:41PM I REMEMBER THE CASE FROM LAST YEAR AND I DON'T REMEMBER ALL
02:38:44PM THE DETAILS OF IT, BUT I REMEMBER IT IN GENERAL.
02:38:46PM BUT I WONDER HOW -- ESPECIALLY SINCE THE PROMOTER DID NOT
02:38:50PM HAVE A WRITTEN CONTRACT, I WONDER HOW THEY HAD STANDING AND
02:38:53PM WHY THE OWNERSHIP DIDN'T COME THEN AND INTERVENE AT THAT
02:39:00PM TIME.
02:39:00PM NUMBER TWO, PART OF THAT CASE WHICH YOU TALKED ABOUT A
02:39:04PM LITTLE WHILE AGO IS THAT -- OR MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ TALKED
02:39:10PM ABOUT, THIS HAS OPINION A CONCERT VENUE FOR A LONG TIME AND
02:39:12PM THERE IS AN AGREEMENT THAT ALLOW CERTAIN SPECIAL EVENTS PER
02:39:16PM YEAR.
02:39:16PM AND SO I WONDER WHAT THE FUTURE IS OF THIS.
02:39:20PM ST. IS IT -- IS IT THAT -- DOES THE NEW OWNER THINK THAT --
02:39:25PM LOOK AT THIS AS HOTEL AND RESORT AND DOES NOT PLAN TO HAVE
02:39:29PM THESE BIG SPECIAL EVENTS?
02:39:31PM OR IS THAT -- THAT THEY -- THEY WANT TO HAVE THE SPECIAL
02:39:35PM EVENTS, BUT STICK WITHIN THE GUIDELINES THAT WERE SET UP
02:39:38PM SEVERAL YEAR AGO.
02:39:39PM >> LET ME GO TO THE OFFICIALS QUESTION FIRST AND THEN ANSWER
02:39:42PM THE SECOND QUESTION.
02:39:43PM THE FIRST QUESTION, WHY DID THE OWNER NOT INTERVENE.
02:39:46PM MY UNDERSTANDING -- AND AGAIN IN THE LAST THREE WEEKS, I
02:39:48PM WATCHED THE HEARINGS.
02:39:49PM I READ THE PLEADINGS.
02:39:50PM I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT A JUDGE WOULD SAY THAT PIPER HAS
02:39:57PM STANDING.
02:39:57PM THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN CONTESTED IF THE CITY WENT THROUGH A
02:40:01PM LITIGATION AND A JUDGE ISSUED AN ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE.
02:40:05PM SO IT IS AS VERY GOOD AND VALID POINT.
02:40:07PM WHEN I LISTENED TO THE TESTIMONY OF MR. PORTER AT THAT
02:40:12PM HEARING.
02:40:12PM AGAIN I WAS NOT THERE, BUT I DID GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE
02:40:16PM VIDEO.
02:40:16PM I BELIEVE THAT THE ISSUE THAT HE HAD APPEALED WAS THE ISSUE
02:40:21PM OF THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE GOING BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT THE
02:40:25PM -- THE FORMAL DETERMINATION QUESTION WAS.
02:40:28PM AND I REVIEWED IT.
02:40:30PM I THOUGHT THAT WAS ACCURATE AND VALID AND, THEREFORE, WERE
02:40:34PM THE GROUND FOR THE APPEAL.
02:40:36PM THE GROUNDS.
02:40:39PM BUT IT WASN'T RELATED TO THE UNDERLYING EVENTS.
02:40:41PM IT WAS RELATED TO THE SCOPE OF THE AUTHORITY AND THAT --
02:40:45PM ANYWAY.
02:40:46PM I HOPE THAT ANSWERED YOUR FIRST QUESTION.
02:40:48PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE SECOND QUESTION IS MORE ABOUT -- YOU
02:40:51PM KNOW, THE -- AS YOU THOUGH LAND USE -- LAND ENTITLEMENTS GO
02:40:56PM WITH THE OWNERS.
02:40:57PM EVEN IF THIS OWNER DECIDES THEY JUST WANT IT TO BE A QUIET
02:41:00PM RESORT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT HANG OUT, THAT -- THAT
02:41:05PM ENTITLEMENT STILL EXISTS IN THAT OUTSIDE AREA.
02:41:08PM WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS RECORDING THAT?
02:41:11PM >> I THINK WHAT THE OWNER IS SAYING AND WHAT WE DISCUSSED IS
02:41:13PM THAT SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ SET FORTH WHAT WAS IN THE
02:41:18PM CONDITIONS OF THAT NONSUBSTANTIAL CHANGE, RIGHT.
02:41:22PM AND A NUMBER OF SPECIFIC CONDITIONS ABOUT -- IF YOU ARE
02:41:25PM GOING TO HAVE A SPECIAL EVENT, YOU WILL HAVE TO DO A, B,
02:41:30PM C, D, AND E, SOMETHING ON NEW YEAR'S EVE, THEY WILL COMPLY
02:41:35PM TO THE LETTER OF EVERYTHING THAT WAS PUT IN THAT APPROVAL
02:41:38PM THAT THE BOARD -- OR THE CITY COUNCIL BEFORE YOU APPROVED.
02:41:41PM AND THAT IS THE IDEA.
02:41:42PM NOT TO HAVE ANY OTHER -- NOT TO HAVE SOMEONE COME IN AND
02:41:48PM REPLACE PIED PIPER IF THAT IS THE CONCERN.
02:41:51PM BUT IF THERE ARE SPECIAL EVENTS TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW AND
02:41:55PM COMPLY WITH THEIR REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING.
02:41:58PM >>BILL CARLSON: SINCE THAT -- THANK YOU NOR SAYING ALL THAT.
02:42:01PM SINCE THE OWNER'S REP IS HERE CAN HE SAY HE AGREES WITH
02:42:06PM THAT.
02:42:06PM >> YES, I AGREE WITH THAT.
02:42:08PM INTENTION IS TO COMPLY WITH ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS.
02:42:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
02:42:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: OFF FINE ATTORNEY BEEN HERE MANY, MANY
02:42:15PM YEARS AND NOTHING DISRESPECTFUL TO YOUR CLIENT OR CITY,
02:42:20PM THERE IS A -- EVEN WHEN ONE BUYS ANY TYPE OF A BUILDING,
02:42:25PM INCLUDING A HOUSE.
02:42:26PM CHECKS ALL THE WAY AROUND.
02:42:29PM DUE DILIGENCE AND ALL THE RECORDS IN THE COURTHOUSE NOTHING
02:42:36PM POSTED.
02:42:36PM IN THIS CASE, YOU BOUGHT A VERY EXPENSIVE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
02:42:40PM AND MY PROBLEM WITH MYSELF IS SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO BE
02:42:45PM RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENED THERE WHETHER IT IS THE BUYER
02:42:50PM AND THE ONE WHO BOUGHT IT AND YOU DIDN'T DO YOUR DUE
02:42:53PM DILIGENCE AT THAT TIME.
02:42:54PM IF YOU DID, IF YOU HIRED AN ATTORNEY, THAT MAYBE YOU CAN GO
02:42:58PM BACK AND ASK FOR YOUR MONEY BACK.
02:42:59PM I AM SERIOUS.
02:43:00PM I AM NOT TRYING IN ANY WAY BLINDFOLD YOU OR LEAVE YOU DOWN
02:43:06PM ANOTHER PRIMROSE LANE.
02:43:07PM HAS TO BE SOMEBODY RESPONSIBLE AT THIS HEARING WHERE IT IS
02:43:12PM EITHER GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY BECAUSE OF ACTIONS THAT WERE
02:43:15PM TAKEN.
02:43:16PM BECAUSE IF NOT, THIS CASE CAN BE DUPLICATED 100 TIMES IN THE
02:43:21PM CITY AND WE ARE BACK TO STATUS QUO.
02:43:23PM WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING.
02:43:24PM I AM NOT HERE TO HANG YOU BY MEANS ANYWAY, BUT YOU HAVE TO
02:43:28PM BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT YOU DID OR DID NOT DO.
02:43:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
02:43:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WAS ON THE MINORITY SIDE OF THE DECISION
02:43:39PM WHEN THIS -- WHEN THE VIOLATIONS CAME UP OF THE DIFFERENCE
02:43:44PM BETWEEN A CONCERT WAS AND THE SPECIAL EVENTS.
02:43:46PM I STILL THINK AS A CITY, WE NEED TO BE MORE CLEAR OR CLARIFY
02:43:50PM THOSE DEFINITIONS THAT -- SO THAT IT IS EXPLICITLY
02:43:55PM UNDERSTOOD FROM ALL PARTIES THAT ARE DOING BUSINESS FROM THE
02:43:58PM CITY OF TAMPA WHAT THAT MEANS BECAUSE I STILL, AGAIN.
02:44:01PM I GO TO WEBSTER AND I SEE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THE
02:44:03PM MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL SAW.
02:44:05PM BUT I THINK WE NEED TO CLEAN THAT UP.
02:44:07PM THAT BEING SAID, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT -- BUT IT IS
02:44:12PM CLEARLY TRUE THAT THIS PARTICULAR ESTABLISHMENT HAS JUST --
02:44:16PM HAS CREATED MORE OF ITS SHARE OF NUISANCE IN THE
02:44:19PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
02:44:19PM ACTUALLY -- NOW OFF THIS CLARIFIED IT.
02:44:22PM NOT THE ESTABLISHMENT.
02:44:23PM IT WAS A -- SOMEBODY WHO WAS ALLOWED TO USE YOUR PROPERTY
02:44:27PM FOR THESE EVENTS THAT HAVE CREATED THAT NUISANCE IN THE
02:44:32PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
02:44:32PM AND NOW THAT -- NOW THAT ENTITY IS NO LONGER GOING TO BE
02:44:37PM PERMITTED TO USE THE ESTABLISHMENT FOR THAT AND ALMOST MAKES
02:44:40PM THIS ISSUE MOOT.
02:44:41PM I AM REALLY CURIOUS WHAT HAPPENED AND ALL THESE VIOLATIONS
02:44:49PM THAT -- BECAUSE I SEE THEM -- THE M2 IS NAMED IN THEM BUT I
02:44:54PM DON'T REMEMBER M.2 BEING REPRESENTED HERE.
02:44:57PM I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST PIPER REPRESENTED HERE DURING THOSE
02:45:01PM VIOLATIONS.
02:45:01PM IS THAT -- WAS THAT APPROPRIATE TO ASK?
02:45:06PM IS IT APPROPRIATE AT THE TIME TO ASK OUR LEGAL WHAT THAT
02:45:10PM WAS.
02:45:10PM >> I CAN SPEAK ON BEHALF M2.
02:45:14PM THIS IS THE FIRST TIME M2 HAD LEGAL COUNSEL PRESENT THEM AT
02:45:19PM THESE HEARINGS.
02:45:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YEAH, THAT IS INTERESTING.
02:45:24PM WE HAVE SOME CLEANUP TO DO ON THE CITY SIDE.
02:45:26PM NEIGHBORS ARE WITHIN THEIR RIGHT TO FEEL LIKE THE SANCTITY
02:45:31PM OF THEIR HOMES HAVE BEEN VIOLATED BY SOME OF THE EVENTS THAT
02:45:34PM HAPPENED HERE.
02:45:35PM I THINK WE CAN BETTER ON THE CITY SIDE.
02:45:39PM WITH WHAT THE OWNERSHIP HAS SAID.
02:45:40PM I THINK IT IS A REASONABLE RESOLUTION TO THIS THANK FOR THE
02:45:51PM CLARIFICATION.
02:45:51PM I AM PONTIFICATING WHEN WE SAID WE SHOULDN'T BE.
02:45:56PM UNLESS -- SUSAN, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD TO THAT?
02:46:02PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
02:46:05PM DEPARTMENT.
02:46:05PM I WAS ABLE TO CONFIRM.
02:46:06PM PRIOR CASE WAS A REVIEW OF THE FORMAL DECISION OF THE ZONING
02:46:11PM ADMINISTRATOR.
02:46:11PM IN THAT CASE, MICHAEL PIPER, PIPER PRODUCTION WAS AN
02:46:17PM AUTHORIZED AGENT BY THE OWNER M2 TAMPA LCC TO SEEK THAT
02:46:22PM FORMAL DECISION.
02:46:23PM A CASE WHERE THE PROMOTER, MR. PIPER, WAS AUTHORIZED BY THE
02:46:27PM OWNER TO SEEK CERTAIN APPROVALS OR THINGS FROM THE CITY.
02:46:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:46:34PM MISS SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, DOES THAT COMPLETE YOUR TESTIMONY?
02:46:38PM >> YES, SIR, WE ARE FINISHED AND AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
02:46:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MISS SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, WHERE DO WE
02:46:46PM TAKE IT FROM HERE?
02:46:47PM ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
02:46:49PM YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
02:46:50PM WE HAD WHITE A FEW SPEAKERS, WITNESSES.
02:46:54PM COME ON UP.
02:46:55PM YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
02:46:56PM GENERAL PUBLIC.
02:46:57PM >> I AM SANDRINE GETS.
02:47:00PM I HAVE A SHEET FOR AN EXTRA THREE MINUTES.
02:47:04PM >> HOW MANY NAMES ARE ON THERE?
02:47:08PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST ONE.
02:47:09PM THE EXTRA MINUTE.
02:47:10PM THAT IS THE FINE PRINT.
02:47:12PM SORRY ABOUT THAT.
02:47:13PM ANN TATE.
02:47:17PM ARE YOU PRESENT?
02:47:20PM THANK YOU.
02:47:20PM ONE ADDITIONAL MINUTE FOR A TOTAL OF FOUR.
02:47:23PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHEN THE LIGHT GOES ON.
02:47:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
02:47:26PM THE GREEN LIGHT WILL COME ON.
02:47:27PM >> THANK YOU, SANDRINE GUEZ, AND I LIVE AND HAVE LIVED HALF A
02:47:33PM MILE FROM WATR FOR OVER FIVE YEARS.
02:47:36PM I WANT TO START BY ADDRESS WHAT HAS BEEN SAID.
02:47:38PM FIRST I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO YOU --
02:47:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU HAVE TO FACE US.
02:47:42PM >> I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE PEOPLE WHO JUST SPOKE OF
02:47:45PM CHANGES THAT ARE PROMISED, BUT I WANT TO TELL YOU WHILE
02:47:48PM THOSE CHANGES THAT I AM VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO ARE
02:47:50PM WELCOMED, THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN HARMED HAVE BEEN HARMED
02:47:54PM FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
02:47:55PM YOU HEARD TESTIMONY TODAY AND IT WAS NOT REFUTED THAT
02:47:58PM SOMEBODY SHOWED UP TO AN -- HAD SOMEBODY COME TO THEIR
02:48:04PM HOUSE, NOT THE POLICE BUT MR. PIPER.
02:48:06PM HOW INTIMIDATING IS THAT.
02:48:07PM WHO WANTS SOMEBODY TO COME TO THEIR HOUSE LIKE THAT?
02:48:11PM I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE TAKING RESPONSIBILITY NOW, BUT
02:48:14PM THAT DOESN'T CHANGE WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST.
02:48:15PM I AM -- I AM -- I AM NOT EXCITED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY
02:48:20PM ARE ONLY ASKING FOR 30 DAYS.
02:48:22PM A 30-DAY SUSPENSION IN MY VIEW FOR ALL OF THE THINGS THAT
02:48:25PM HAPPENED IS NOT ENOUGH.
02:48:26PM SO THE IDEA OF GOING DOWN TO 15 IS EVEN WORSE.
02:48:29PM AND, AGAIN, I WANT TO REITERATE WHAT HAS BEEN SAID, THAT
02:48:34PM 30-DAY PERIOD NEEDS TO RUN FROM MARCH 15 TO APRIL 15 TO HAVE
02:48:38PM ANY REAL CONSEQUENCES.
02:48:40PM EXCITED OF THE CHANGES THAT ARE COMING, THE HARM HAS BEEN
02:48:43PM DONE.
02:48:43PM RIGHT.
02:48:44PM WHO HAS -- THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES FOR BEING AN ABSENTEE
02:48:49PM OWNER.
02:48:49PM ONE OF THE CONSEQUENCES IS, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT
02:48:52PM HAPPENS THERE.
02:48:52PM SO WONDERFUL THAT WE ARE MAKING CHANGES GOING FORWARD FOR
02:48:55PM THE ESTABLISHMENT, BUT THERE HAVE TO BE CONSEQUENCES.
02:48:58PM THAT IS THE CONSEQUENCES OF BEING AN ABSENTEE OWNER.
02:49:04PM THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
02:49:06PM I COME BEFORE YOU AND I URGE TO YOU TAKE MEANINGFUL ACTION
02:49:10PM FOR ALL THAT HAS HAPPENED.
02:49:11PM FIRST , I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT WHAT IS HAPPENING THERE IS
02:49:16PM NO OCCASIONAL SMALL NUISANCE.
02:49:17PM RATHER WHEN THESE EVENTS OCCUR THEY HAVE SIGNIFICANT
02:49:21PM NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON ME, MY NEIGHBORS.
02:49:23PM THE FACT THAT THEY DRAIN THE RESOURCE HAS IT ALL TAMPA
02:49:26PM RESIDENTS DEPEND ON, I WOULD ARGUE THAT THEY HAVE AN IMPACT
02:49:30PM ON EVERYONE WHO IS IN TAMPA BAY.
02:49:32PM NOT JUST NOISE.
02:49:33PM YOU HEARD IT AND ACCEPTED AS TRUE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT
02:49:36PM ARE CROSSING ROADS IN VERY DANGEROUS CIRCUMSTANCES.
02:49:40PM BUSINESS MODEL DEPENDED ON LOUD MUSIC, A HUGE CROWD, A TON
02:49:46PM OF ALCOHOL AND BASICALLY VIOLATING THE LAWS OF TAMPA BAY IN
02:49:51PM ORDER TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
02:49:53PM THE CITY OF TAMPA REQUIRES BUSINESSES TO OBTAIN SPECIAL
02:49:58PM PERMITS FOR REASON TO ENSURE THAT EVENTS ARE DONE SAFELY AND
02:50:04PM COMPLIANCE WITH CITY REGULATIONS.
02:50:06PM PUBLIC SAFETY MATTERS.
02:50:07PM I DON'T NEED TO TELL YOU THAT.
02:50:09PM THAT IS YOU'RE HERE BECAUSE YOU CARE OF THE CITIZENS OF
02:50:12PM TAMPA AND THEY SHOULD BE HAVING TO GO THROUGH PERMITS.
02:50:14PM UNFORTUNATELY, THEY HAVE DELAYED THINGS LIKE I SAID.
02:50:16PM IT IS GREAT THAT THEY ARE CHANGING.
02:50:18PM BUT THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR THE HARM THAT HAS BEEN CAUSED TO
02:50:21PM THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE NEARBY AND WHAT WE HAD TO GO THROUGH TO
02:50:24PM GET TO THIS POINT.
02:50:25PM I THINK IT IS VERY, VERY NOTABLE AND TELLING THAT NOW WE
02:50:29PM HAVE THE OWNER WHO IS HERE, WHO IS SAYING WE WILL STOP.
02:50:32PM I FIRED PIPER.
02:50:33PM WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A CONTRACT THAT I CAN SHOW YOU.
02:50:36PM THAT IS VERY NOTABLE.
02:50:37PM THEY ARE ABOUT TO FACE LARGE SANCTIONS, A REAL PENALTY FOR
02:50:41PM THE FIRST TIME IN YEARS.
02:50:42PM PEOPLE HAVE FOUGHT FOR THIS FOR YEARS.
02:50:44PM IT HAS CAUGHT THE CITY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN PEOPLE COMING
02:50:48PM HERE, RIGHT.
02:50:49PM AND YOU -- I HAVE BEEN AT HEARINGS WHERE -- WHERE YOUR
02:50:53PM RESIDENTS ARE HOPING FOR YOUR DOLLARS -- OUR DOLLARS FOR
02:50:57PM PUBLIC CITY DOLLARS TO BE SPENT ON COMMUNITY CENTERS AND
02:51:01PM ROADS AND ALL OF THESE WONDERFUL THINGS.
02:51:03PM THOSE ARE THE CONVERSATIONS WE SHOULD BE HAVING.
02:51:05PM WHAT TO DO WITH OUR PUBLIC RESOURCES.
02:51:08PM THEY ARE PUBLIC RESOURCES AND NEVER MEANT TO HAVE ONE PERSON
02:51:12PM PROFIT FROM THEM AND THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED.
02:51:14PM THEY PROFIT FROM ABUSING THE LAWS.
02:51:18PM NEED TO BE REAL CONSEQUENCES.
02:51:20PM AND THE REAL CONSEQUENCES 30-DAY SUSPENSION STARTING MARCH
02:51:25PM 15-APRIL 15, 2024.
02:51:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU INVEST MUCH.
02:51:29PM >> THANK YOU.
02:51:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE SO OFF SPEAKER
02:51:35PM WAIVER FORM AS WELL?
02:51:36PM >> I DO NOT.
02:51:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO?
02:51:39PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
02:51:40PM YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
02:51:40PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO, COUNCILMEMBERS,
02:51:44PM GIOVANNI GIARRATANA AND AN ATTORNEY AT BRADLEY.
02:51:49PM REPRESENT MR. PIPER WHO OWNS AND OPERATES PIED PIPER
02:51:53PM PRODUCTION THAT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT TODAY.
02:51:56PM YOU HAVE HEARD THAT THIS PROPERTY IS BEING OPERATED WITHOUT
02:52:00PM REGARD FOR THE CITY ORDINANCES.
02:52:01PM AND A LOT OF THAT BLAME IS BEING PLACE ON MY CLIENT AND
02:52:05PM FRANKLY I THINK THAT IS UNFAIR.
02:52:07PM I WILL TAKE FEW MOMENTS TO CLARIFY SOME OF THE TESTIMONY
02:52:10PM THAT YOU HEARD TODAY.
02:52:11PM MY CLIENT HAS SPENT A LOT OF TIME, ENERGY AND FRANKLY MONEY
02:52:15PM TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS AND
02:52:19PM THE NEIGHBORS' CONCERNS.
02:52:20PM I HAVE BEEN PART OF THIS DISCUSSION SO I CAN ATTEST TO THAT
02:52:23PM PERSONALLY.
02:52:24PM UNFORTUNATELY, THIS PROPERTY HAS A LONG HISTORY.
02:52:26PM A LONG HISTORY THAT PREDATES MY CLIENT'S INVOLVEMENT WITH
02:52:31PM THE PROPERTY.
02:52:31PM I MENTION THAT BECAUSE THE ISSUE PRIOR TO MY CLIENT'S
02:52:36PM INVOLVEMENT OF THE COLOR AND CONTEXT OF THE FRUSTRATION FROM
02:52:39PM THE RESIDENTS TODAY.
02:52:40PM I HOPE YOU TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN MAKING YOUR
02:52:43PM DETERMINATION TODAY.
02:52:43PM YOU HEARD THAT THERE ARE TWO PRIMARY ISSUES BEFORE YOU TODAY
02:52:47PM FOR THE AB SUSPENSION HEARING.
02:52:49PM A FAILURE TO OBTAIN SPECIAL EVENTS PERMITS AND A SINGULAR
02:52:55PM NOISE CITATION.
02:52:56PM START WITH THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT ISSUE.
02:52:58PM MY CLIENT HAS ALWAYS BELIEVED HE HAS BEEN OPERATING UNDER
02:53:01PM THE CONDITIONS OF THE PD.
02:53:03PM AND THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE TESTIMONY YOU HEARD TODAY.
02:53:06PM GRANTED, THERE IS A DISPUTE BETWEEN MY CLIENT AND THE CITY
02:53:11PM OF WHAT THE PD ALLOWS.
02:53:12PM BUT THAT IS -- THAT IS PENDING IN LITIGATION.
02:53:16PM IT IS AN ISSUE PENDING ON APPEAL.
02:53:17PM SO HONESTLY IT BEGS THE QUESTION WHETHER THE SPECIAL EVENT
02:53:21PM PERMIT ISSUE SHOULD BE PART OF COUNCIL'S DETERMINATION TODAY
02:53:24PM AGAIN THAT A COURT OF LAW MAY DETERMINE THAT HIS POSITION IS
02:53:27PM ACTUALLY THE CORRECT POSITION AND MAY VERY MEAN THERE WERE
02:53:32PM NO VIOLATIONS AT ALL.
02:53:33PM AS FOR THE NOISE ISSUE, MY CLIENT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE
02:53:36PM PRESENT OWNERS FOR ROUGHLY THREE YEARS, AND A SINGULAR NOISE
02:53:40PM CITATION ISSUED.
02:53:42PM A SINGULAR NOISE CITATION.
02:53:43PM YOU HEARD TESTIMONY MANY COMPLAINTS, BUT ONLY A SINGULAR
02:53:48PM NOISE CITATION THAT HAPPENED OVER A YEARS AGO AND SINCE THEN
02:53:52PM MY CLIENTS HAVE TAKEN STEPS, AV CONSULTANTS, REARRANGED
02:53:58PM SPEAKERS.
02:53:58PM PUT LIMITATIONS WHAT CAN OCCUR IN THE PROPERTY.
02:54:01PM SAYING THERE WAS NO NOISE CITATIONS SINCE THEN, ABSOLUTELY
02:54:08PM NONE.
02:54:08PM NOT SOMEONE THUMBING HIS NOSE AT THE LAW.
02:54:12PM HE PUT INTO ACTION MITIGATION EFFORTS WHICH SEEMINGLY HAVE
02:54:16PM WORKED.
02:54:16PM THANK YOU.
02:54:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:54:19PM YOU HAVE 30 MORE SECONDS.
02:54:20PM >> SORRY.
02:54:21PM I THOUGHT THAT WAS MY TIME TO GO OFF.
02:54:23PM WHICH SEEMINGLY HAVE WORKED.
02:54:25PM I ASK THAT YOU TAKE THAT ALL INTO CONSIDERATION.
02:54:27PM THERE HAS BEEN SOME COMMENTS ABOUT MY CLIENT PERSONALLY.
02:54:30PM FRANKLY, I -- THEY ARE -- THEY ARE DISAPPOINTING TO HEAR.
02:54:37PM I THINK HIS EFFORTS TO TRY TO ADDRESS THE CITY'S CONCERNS
02:54:41PM MAY HAVE BEEN TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT AND MISCONSTRUED BY SOME
02:54:45PM OF THE RESIDENTS HERE BUT HAS A GENUINE DESIRE TO ADDRESS
02:54:48PM THE NEIGHBORS' CONCERNS AND OFFERED PERSONAL CONTACT
02:54:51PM INFORMATION FOR THOSE EXPRESS THAT THEY CAN COME TO HIM
02:54:54PM BEFORE ANY FORMAL THING.
02:54:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MR. SHELBY.
02:54:59PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: IT IS PUBLIC COMMENT.
02:55:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK: PUBLIC COMMENT IS OVER.
02:55:06PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU CAN CALL THEM.
02:55:08PM YOU.
02:55:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
02:55:10PM NEXT SPEAKER.
02:55:11PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
02:55:14PM I HAD NO INTENTION AND HAVING DÉJÀ VU.
02:55:17PM I AM LIKE, WE HAVE SEEN THIS CRAP BEFORE.
02:55:19PM I AM LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE.
02:55:20PM OKAY, SO QUESTIONS TO PONDER.
02:55:23PM IF THIS WAS A HOUSE DOWN THE STREET FROM YOU AND THE AIRBNB.
02:55:28PM WOULD YOU SHUT IT DOWN?
02:55:30PM YOU BECHA, IF YOU COULD, YOU WOULD.
02:55:31PM WHO IN THE WORLD OPERATES WITHOUT CONTRACTS IN 2024?
02:55:38PM THAT IS THE CRAZIEST THING I EVER HEARD.
02:55:41PM I LOVE ME MISS BATSEL AND I BELIEVE SHE IS TELLING YOU GUYS
02:55:46PM 100% ACCURATE INFORMATION, BUT I FIND THAT VERY, VERY
02:55:50PM DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND AND COMPREHEND.
02:55:52PM PEOPLE WHO DO BUSINESS WITHOUT CONTRACTS -- WELL, YOU DO THE
02:55:57PM MATH.
02:55:57PM BUT I -- I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT WE HAD SPECIAL EVENT
02:56:01PM LICENSES AND THEN WE DIDN'T HAVE THEM AND WE DID HAVE THEM.
02:56:04PM YOU KNOW WHAT, EVERY TIME THEY GOT A SPECIAL EVENT LICENSE,
02:56:08PM THAT TELLS YOU THEY KNEW THE RULES AND WENT AND DID IT AGAIN
02:56:12PM WITHOUT A SPECIAL EVENTS LICENSE WHICH MEANS THEY DON'T GIVE
02:56:15PM A CRAP ABOUT THE RULES.
02:56:16PM THAT IS WHERE THE PROBLEM COMES IN.
02:56:18PM ANY LANDLORD ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH HAVE A BETTER IDEA
02:56:21PM WHAT IS GOING ON THEIR PROPERTY AND THE LAST TIME I SAW IT,
02:56:25PM WHEN WE SEND OUT NEIGHBORHOOD NOTICES HERE IN THE CITY OF
02:56:29PM TAMPA, WE DON'T SEND IT TO THE TENANTS.
02:56:31PM WE SEND IT TO THE OWNERS.
02:56:33PM I AM GLAD THEY ARE HERE TODAY AND I HOPE THEY FIX THE
02:56:36PM PROBLEM.
02:56:37PM BUT PLEASE, SEE WHAT THESE NEIGHBORS ARE SAYING.
02:56:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE FROM PUBLIC COMMENT.
02:56:46PM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN, I SAW WHY YOU MICROPHONE.
02:56:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES.
02:56:51PM FOR OUR ATTORNEYS.
02:56:51PM SO THERE WAS COMMENT THAT -- AND I BELIEVE IT WAS IN
02:57:00PM TESTIMONY, THAT THE -- THAT THERE IS A CASE PENDING
02:57:04PM LITIGATION OUTCOME ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THESE EVENTS ARE
02:57:10PM CONSIDERED SPECIAL EVENTS, IS THAT TRUE?
02:57:13PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: YES.
02:57:14PM LEAPT ME BACK UP A LITTLE BIT.
02:57:16PM LAST TIME THIS PROPERTY WAS BEFORE COUNCIL WAS ON -- TO
02:57:19PM CONSIDER THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE HEARING OFFICER.
02:57:21PM SO I AM GOING TO BACK UP ONE MORE STEP.
02:57:24PM IN RESPONSE TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE AND THE -- THE
02:57:30PM FINDINGS THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER HAD FAILED TO OBTAIN THE
02:57:33PM REQUIRED TEMPORARY SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS.
02:57:37PM MR. PIPER'S ATTORNEY HAD SAID THAT HIS CLIENT ALWAYS
02:57:42PM BELIEVED THAT HE WAS OPERATING PURSUANT TO THE ZONING
02:57:45PM APPROVALS.
02:57:45PM SO MR. PIPER -- OR ON BEHALF -- WITH THE AUTHORIZATION OF M2
02:57:56PM TAMPA LCC SOUGHT A DECISION FROM THE ZONED AMORE MR. FOR TO
02:58:00PM ASK AM I IN COMPLIANCE WITH ZONING CONDITIONS.
02:58:03PM MR. COTTON ISSUED A LETTER THAT YOU ARE IN COMPLIANCE
02:58:08PM BECAUSE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO GET A TEMPORARY SPECIAL EVENT
02:58:10PM PERMITS AND LIMITED FOUR TIMES A YEAR, ETC., ETC., ALL
02:58:15PM THINGS LISTED IN THE CONDITIONS.
02:58:16PM MR. PIPER SOUGHT REVIEW OF THAT PURSUANT TO THE CITY CODE.
02:58:20PM THOSE REVIEWS GO TO THE HEARING OFFICER DETERMINED THAT CITY
02:58:31PM COUNCIL UPHOLD THE HEARING MASTER'S DECISION THAT MR. PIPER
02:58:34PM WAS NOT OPERATING WITHIN THOSE CONDITIONS AND CITY COUNCIL
02:58:37PM DID, IN FACT, UPHOLD THE DECISION.
02:58:41PM THERE IS A CASE PENDING FOR ALMOST A YEAR IN CIRCUIT COURT
02:58:44PM WHERE MR. PIPER IS CHALLENGING CITY COUNCIL'S DECISION, BUT
02:58:47PM NO ONE HAS OVERTURNED THAT DECISION.
02:58:49PM CITY COUNCIL'S DECISION STANDS AS MADE ALMOST A YEAR AGO
02:58:57PM THAT THE PROPERTY IS NOT BEING OPERATED IN COMPLIANCE WITH
02:58:59PM THE ZONING CONDITIONS OR THE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE CONDITIONS
02:59:05PM UNLESS AND UNTIL A DECISION IS OVERTURNED BY THE OUR, THE
02:59:08PM DECISION STANDS.
02:59:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IN YOUR LEGAL OPINION, IF THIS COUNCIL
02:59:14PM MADE A DECISION BASED ON THAT PENDING DECISION AND IT WAS --
02:59:19PM OR COUNCIL WAS OVERTURNED IN THE PENDING --
02:59:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NONE OF THESE THINGS ARE FACTS.
02:59:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOUR CASE IS NOT RELATED ON THE SPECIAL
02:59:29PM EVENTS OR ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
02:59:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ANSWER THAT QUESTION ON THE RECORD PLEASE.
02:59:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE CITY'S CASE IS NOT DEPENDING ON ANY
02:59:38PM PENDING LITIGATION?
02:59:40PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: NO, IT DOES NOT.
02:59:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY, THAT'S GOOD.
02:59:43PM AND ALSO A STATEMENT THAT THERE HAS ONLY BEEN ONE NOISE
02:59:47PM COMPLAINT FOUND?
02:59:51PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: ONE CONVICTION OF A VIOLATION OF
02:59:54PM SECTION -- OF CHAPTER 14 OF THE CITY CODE WHICH IS YOUR
02:59:58PM NOISE ORDINANCE.
02:59:58PM YOU SHOWED YOU THE DOCUMENTATION.
03:00:00PM A CITATION THAT WAS ISSUED IN APRIL OF LAST YEAR AND THE
03:00:04PM CASE WENT TO TRIAL.
03:00:05PM AND THERE HAS BEEN A CONVICTION AND FINDING OF GUILT.
03:00:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY, WHAT BASIS YOU
03:00:13PM ARE ASKING 30 DAYS SUSPENSION ON.
03:00:16PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: ON THE --
03:00:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE SPECIFIC INCIDENTS.
03:00:19PM -- I UNDERSTAND FROM THE CODE, BUT WHAT SPECIFIC INSTANCES
03:00:23PM YOU ARE ASKING TO FOLLOW INTO THAT CODE.
03:00:26PM ONE NOISE COMPLAINT.
03:00:29PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THE CODE LIST AS VIOLATION OF CHAPTER
03:00:32PM 14, THE NOISE ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE SHOWN THERE HAS BEEN.
03:00:36PM WE HAVE SHOWN FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH ZONING CONDITIONS OR
03:00:41PM CONDITIONS THAT WERE PLACE BY CITY COUNCIL OR THE CITY FOR
03:00:43PM ANY APPROVALS.
03:00:44PM SOME THAT RELATES TO THE REZONING APPROVAL AND THE
03:00:48PM SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE APPROVAL AND SPECIFICALLY THE FAILURE TO
03:00:52PM COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS TO GET A TEMPORARY SPECIAL
03:00:55PM EVENT PERMIT.
03:00:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ISN'T THAT WHAT IS PENDING, THOUGH?
03:01:00PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: NO, THAT IS NOT WHAT IS PENDING.
03:01:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU MAY WANT TO HAVE TESTIMONY FROM MR.
03:01:04PM COTTON EXACTLY WHAT THE ISSUE WAS.
03:01:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THOUGHT IT WAS PENDING.
03:01:10PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THE BASIS IS, THERE ARE THREE CODE
03:01:12PM ENFORCEMENT CASES.
03:01:14PM THREE CODE ENFORCEMENT ORDERS WHERE THERE HAS BEEN A
03:01:17PM SPECIFIC FINDING BY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT SPECIAL MAGISTRATE
03:01:21PM THANK THERE HAS BEEN A VIOLATION OF SECTION 27-228.16 FOR
03:01:27PM FAILURE TO OBTAIN A TEMPORARY SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.
03:01:32PM THEY WERE ORDERED TO CEASE SPECIAL EVENTS UNTIL THEY GET A
03:01:36PM SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT AND HELD TO FOUR A YEAR.
03:01:39PM THOSE ORDERS WERE NO, WERE NOT CONTESTED.
03:01:44PM THEY WERE APPEALED.
03:01:46PM THREE SEPARATE ORDER CODE ENFORCEMENT ORDERS THAT THE
03:01:51PM VIOLATION OF FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
03:01:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MARTY ASKED ABOUT ERIC COTTON TO COME UP.
03:01:59PM SO TO CLARIFY, EXACTLY --
03:02:03PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THE FORMAL DECISION IS NOT THE BASIS
03:02:05PM FOR THE NOTICE.
03:02:10PM THE THREE CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES --
03:02:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AREN'T THE CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES.
03:02:16PM AREN'T THE CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES ABOUT WHETHER THEY NEEDED
03:02:21PM A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT OR NOT?
03:02:23PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: NO, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES WERE
03:02:26PM ABOUT WHETHER THEY HAD A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.
03:02:29PM WHETHER THEY CONDUCTED A SPECIAL EVENT WITHOUT A PERMIT.
03:02:32PM AND THOSE CASES -- THEY WERE FOUND IN VIOLATION OF THAT BY
03:02:35PM THE CODE ENFORCEMENT SPECIAL MASTER BACK IN 2022.
03:02:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OH, MY GOSH.
03:02:42PM I FEEL LIKE I AM MISSING SOMETHING HERE.
03:02:44PM I WILL LET MY TIME IF RIGHT NOW.
03:02:48PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: FORMER DECISION WAS IRRELEVANT TO THE
03:02:50PM CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES.
03:02:52PM NOT THE SUBJECT OF THAT.
03:02:54PM ALLEGED VIOLATIONS AND THE CODE ENFORCEMENT SPECIAL MASTER
03:02:58PM SAID, YES, I FIND THEY ARE IN VIOLATION.
03:03:00PM VIOLATED 287.28216.
03:03:06PM THEY ARE A REPEAT VIOLATOR BECAUSE THEY NOW CONDUCTED
03:03:11PM ANOTHER SPECIAL EVENT WITHOUT GET.
03:03:13PM A REPEAT VIOLATOR AND IMPOSING A $15,000.
03:03:18PM AND THE THIRD CASE, SAME THING.
03:03:20PM DIDN'T GET A TEMPORARY SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT WHICH YOU ARE
03:03:23PM REQUIRED TO DO UNDER YOUR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL OF YOUR
03:03:27PM ZONING.
03:03:27PM SO I AM FINDING YOU A THIRD VIOLATION AND ANOTHER 15,000
03:03:33PM FINE.
03:03:33PM EXCUSE ME.
03:03:34PM THOSE ARE THE -- THE THREE CASES THAT FORM THE BASIS UNDER
03:03:38PM THE HEADING OF FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH CONDITIONS OF
03:03:42PM APPROVAL.
03:03:42PM SO YOU HAVE THE NOISE ORDINANCE.
03:03:44PM YOU HAVE FAILURE TO COMPLY AS EVIDENCE BY THE ORDERS OF THE
03:03:48PM CODE ENFORCEMENT SPECIAL MAGISTRATE AND ALL OF THE TESTIMONY
03:03:52PM THAT YOU HEARD FROM NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS ABOUT THE NEGATIVE
03:03:55PM SECONDARY IMPACTS TO SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
03:03:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO THIS IS PENDING LITIGATION.
03:04:02PM THIS PENDING LITIGATION OVERTURNED THE DECISION, THOSE CASES
03:04:07PM YOU JUST REFERRED TO, WOULD THEY -- WOULD IT BE OVERTURNING
03:04:12PM THOSE DECISIONS AS WELL?
03:04:15PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: NOT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT.
03:04:17PM THEY WERE FINAL AND NOT APPEALABLE.
03:04:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY, THANK YOU.
03:04:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, CARLSON, HENDERSON AND THEN
03:04:26PM HURTAK.
03:04:27PM >>BILL CARLSON: THREE QUICK QUESTIONS.
03:04:28PM BACK TO THE COMMENT OF ONE VIOLATION A YEAR AGO.
03:04:32PM DO YOU TRACK OR HAVE A RECORD, WERE THERE OTHER COMPLAINTS
03:04:36PM SINCE THAT POINT A YEAR AGO?
03:04:38PM AND HOW MANY WERE THERE?
03:04:41PM ANY OTHER DATA --
03:04:44PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: MISS ROBERTS TESTIFIED TO THAT IF YOU
03:04:48PM WOULD LIKE FOR HER TO COME FORWARD.
03:04:50PM THEY ARE ISSUED THE BY THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
03:04:55PM >>BILL CARLSON: DOES STAFF HAVE THAT?
03:05:00PM SHELBY MY SUGGESTION, IF I CAN, COUNCIL.
03:05:07PM >>BILL CARLSON: LET ME ASK MY NEXT QUESTION WHEN YOU GUYS
03:05:10PM FIGURE IT OUT.
03:05:11PM BECAUSE -- AND THE NEXT ONE -- I WANT TO YOU ANSWER THIS,
03:05:16PM PLEASE.
03:05:16PM YOU HAVE GOTTEN UP A FEW MINUTES AGO AND SAID IN THE CASE A
03:05:21PM YEAR AGO, THAT THIS PROMOTION COMPANY WAS AN OFFICIAL AGENT
03:05:25PM OF M2 OR WHATEVER THE OWNER WAS.
03:05:28PM WHEN YOU SAY "THEY WERE AN AGENT" DOES THAT MEAN A WRITTEN
03:05:32PM DOCUMENT SIGNED BY M2 THAT SAYS THEY ARE AN AGENT.
03:05:37PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: YES, THERE IS.
03:05:38PM >>BILL CARLSON: NOT A VERBAL THING.
03:05:40PM A WRITTEN DOCUMENT.
03:05:41PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: NO, WE WOULD HAVE -- THE CITY
03:05:43PM REQUIRES IF SOMEONE OTHER THAN THE PROPERTY OWNER IS SEEKING
03:05:46PM AN APPROVAL -- FOR EXAMPLE, IN A REZONING OR ALCOHOLIC
03:05:51PM BEVERAGE PERMIT CARLSON CARE WANT TO MAKE SURE AN OFFICIAL
03:05:55PM FORMAL -- THEY TALK OF NO CONTRACT.
03:05:57PM BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS A CONTRACT OR DOCUMENT
03:06:00PM THERE.
03:06:01PM M2'S REPRESENTATIVE RECOMMENDED THAT ANY PENALTY BE IMPACTED
03:06:08PM ONLY ON THE OUTDOOR AREA, NOT THE INDOOR AREA.
03:06:12PM IS THAT ALLOWABLE?
03:06:14PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I HAVE SPOKEN TO STAFF ABOUT THAT.
03:06:15PM >>BILL CARLSON: IS THAT ALLOWABLE UNDER THE LAW?
03:06:18PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: WELL, I THINK IT'S -- NOT FEASIBLE.
03:06:21PM IT IS PROBLEMATIC IN THE SENSE THAT THIS ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE
03:06:27PM PERMIT IF PULL, WET ZONING APPLIES TO THE ENTIRETY OF THE
03:06:31PM PROPERTY.
03:06:31PM SO FROM AN ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT, IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO
03:06:36PM CORDON OFF WHAT AREA WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
03:06:38PM DOES SOMEONE HAVE TO GO AND STAKE IT OUT TYPICALLY, AND MR.
03:06:43PM COTTON CAN CONFIRM THIS.
03:06:45PM WHEN WE HAVE DONE THIS IN THE PAST, NEVER A SUSPENSION --
03:06:50PM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I ASK MISS BATSEL ON THIS.
03:06:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY.
03:06:55PM CARLSON.
03:07:04PM >>BILL CARLSON: MAKE YOU CAN COMMENT ON WHAT BOTH OF THEM
03:07:06PM SAY.
03:07:08PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WANT TO BE CONTRADICT AND MISS BATSEL CAN
03:07:13PM DEBATE.
03:07:14PM AND WHAT THE CODE SAYS.
03:07:16PM THE CODE SAYS SPECIFICALLY TWO THINGS.
03:07:19PM IS THERE A VIOLATION.
03:07:20PM AND IF THERE IS, SPECIFIC PENALTIES.
03:07:22PM SAYS NOTHING ABOUT -- AND YOU HEARD TESTIMONY THAT THE WET
03:07:29PM ZONING APPLIES TO THE ENTIRE PARCEL.
03:07:31PM I THINK FOR COUNCIL TO IMPOSE A PENALTY THAT IS OUTSIDE OF
03:07:34PM WHAT THE CODE SAYS WILL BE TRAWL VIRES AND YOU WILL BE
03:07:40PM ACTING OUTSIDE OF THE PURVIEW OF WHAT THE REMEDY WOULD BE.
03:07:45PM THAT IS MY OPINION, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:07:47PM >>BILL CARLSON: GET MISS BATSEL.
03:07:49PM >> DISAGREE WITH THAT.
03:07:51PM CODE SAID MAXIMUM OF 30 DAY AND SOMETIMES ISSUE 15 DAYS.
03:07:55PM THIS COUNCIL HAS THE AUTHORITY TO ISSUE WHAT THEY SEE FIT
03:07:58PM WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE CODE.
03:08:00PM >>BILL CARLSON: CASE LAW OR SOMETHING YOU CAN CITE?
03:08:03PM >> NO, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, YOU DO WET ZONINGS, AND THERE ARE
03:08:07PM REQUIREMENTS ON THE WET ZONING THAT SAYS INDOOR-OUTDOOR.
03:08:10PM YOU ARE WORRIED WHERE IS THAT -- IT IS INDOOR OR OUTDOOR.
03:08:13PM I THINK IT IS CLEAR WHAT INDOOR IS COMPARED TO OUTDOOR.
03:08:17PM MISS SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ AND I DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE.
03:08:20PM AND JUST BECAUSE STAFF HAS THEN DONE THIS BEFORE DOES NOT
03:08:25PM MEAN IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO DO.
03:08:26PM THERE ARE MANY WET ZONING AREAS THAT YOU CAN CLEARLY DEMARK
03:08:30PM WHAT AN INDOOR VERSUS AN OUTDOOR AREA IS.
03:08:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MISS JOHNSON -VELEZ.
03:08:38PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
03:08:40PM DEPARTMENT.
03:08:40PM I THINK THE DISTINGUISHING FACT NEVER THIS CASE.
03:08:43PM APPEAR 50-YEAR-OLD WET ZONING.
03:08:45PM BACK THEN, CITY COUNCIL -- CITY APPROVED THEM FOR THE ENTIRE
03:08:51PM PARCEL.
03:08:51PM SO I APPRECIATE WHAT MISS BATSEL IS SAYING, BUT WE ACTUALLY
03:08:55PM APPROVED ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE PERMITS DIFFERENTLY IN THIS DAY
03:08:59PM AND AGE.
03:08:59PM WE ACTUALLY HAVE A SITE PLAN.
03:09:01PM WE HAVE A LEGAL DESCRIPTION SO YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC LEGAL
03:09:05PM DECISION FOR AN INDOOR OR OUTDOOR AREA SUCH THAT IT CAN BE
03:09:09PM EASILY IDENTIFIED.
03:09:10PM IN.
03:09:10PM IN THIS CASE, IT WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT I THINK AND MR.
03:09:15PM COTTON CAN SPEAK TO THAT IN TERMS OF STAFF PERSPECTIVE IN
03:09:19PM TERMS TO ENFORCE THAT, A SUSPENSION IMPOSED WHICH AREAS AND
03:09:23PM CORDONING OFF AND I THINK IT WILL BE DIFFICULT FROM A --
03:09:27PM FROM AN ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT.
03:09:28PM HAVE MR. COTTON MAYBE COME UP.
03:09:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, COUNCIL.
03:09:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
03:09:37PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THIS I WOULD LIKE TO BE HAVE BIFURCATED.
03:09:40PM WITH AN ALCOHOL SUSPENSION, A TWO-STAGE PROCESS.
03:09:43PM BEFORE YOU GET TO THE PENALTY STAGE.
03:09:45PM MY SUGGESTION IS -- AND YOU CAN TAKE AS MUCH TESTIMONY AS
03:09:48PM YOU WANT -- HAS TO BE A FIND BUILDING THERE IS OR IS NOT A
03:09:52PM VIOLATION.
03:09:53PM IF THERE IS NO VIOLATION, THIS IS ALL NOT NECESSARY TO
03:09:56PM DISCUSS.
03:09:57PM WHAT YOU NEED TO HAVE IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THAT AND CLOSE
03:10:01PM WHEN YOU TIME COMES TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, IS I WILL
03:10:06PM ASK YOU TO MAKE A FINDING AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS A
03:10:11PM VIOLATION BEFORE YOU GET INTO THE DISCUSSION OF WHETHER AND
03:10:15PM WHAT AND THE CODE SPECIFICALLY STATES WHICH I SUSPECT WILL
03:10:21PM BE DISCUSSED EXACTLY THE SPECIFICS SPECIFICS IN THE CODE OF
03:10:27PM HOW YOU WEIGH AND DETERMINING WHETHER TO SUSPEND OR REVOKE A
03:10:31PM APPROVAL TO REVOKE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE, THAT CITY COUNCIL
03:10:36PM SHALL CONSIDER AND CONSIDERED AFTER SUCH A FINDING.
03:10:38PM WANT TO CLEAR UP ONE OTHER THING FOR THE RECORD AND THIS IS
03:10:42PM VERY IMPORTANT.
03:10:43PM IS NOT GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
03:10:45PM A EVIDENTIARY HEARING OF THIS A BOARD WITH WITNESSES THAT
03:10:49PM ARE BEFORE YOU.
03:10:49PM COLONEL MAY BE CONFUSING THIS WITH THE RULE THAT SAYS
03:10:53PM COUNCILMEMBERS SHOULD ENGAGE FROM ENGAGING A SPEAKER IN
03:10:57PM DIALOGUE DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
03:10:59PM THIS IS NOT GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
03:11:01PM WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE OFFERING YOU
03:11:04PM TESTIMONY.
03:11:06PM ANYTHING WITHIN A TESTIMONY -- NOT TO THIS HEARING, BUT ANY
03:11:10PM EVIDENTIARY HEARING THAT YOU HAVE.
03:11:11PM THERE IS SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED TO KNOW IN ORDER FOR TO YOU
03:11:15PM MAKE A DECISION AND SOMEBODY WHO HAS TESTIFIED TO HAVING
03:11:21PM THAT KNOWLEDGE.
03:11:22PM YOU CAN ASK A QUESTION TO ELICIT THAT INFORMATION.
03:11:24PM THAT CAN BE PLACED IN THE RECORD AS COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL
03:11:27PM EVIDENCE UPON WHICH YOU CAN BASE YOUR DECISION.
03:11:29PM SO IS YOU DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO EVERYBODY, BECAUSE
03:11:33PM SOMEBODY COULD BE OFFERING SOME COMMENT YOU WILL WANT TO ASK
03:11:37PM A QUESTION.
03:11:37PM NOTHING TO KEEP SOMEBODY FROM WALKING OUT THE DOOR.
03:11:39PM THE TIME TO ASK THE QUESTION IS AFTER THEY TESTIFY.
03:11:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON AND THEN HURTAK.
03:11:45PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT.
03:11:47PM THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE DONE THE LAST TIME IS MAKE A
03:11:51PM DECISION FIRST.
03:11:51PM I WANT TO ASK, IF THAT IS THE CASE, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE
03:11:55PM GUY WHO GOT UP TO SPOKE ON BEHALF OF THE -- THE VIOLATOR OF
03:12:02PM ALL THE PARTIES.
03:12:04PM THAT.
03:12:06PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: MR. PIPER.
03:12:07PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
03:12:10PM I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
03:12:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I AM JUST ASKING IF HE CAN STATE HIS NAME
03:12:14PM FOR THE RECORD SO IT IS CLEAR.
03:12:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
03:12:18PM >> GIOVANNI GIARRATANA OF THE BRADLEY LAW FIRM.
03:12:24PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE RELATIONSHIP WITH
03:12:27PM YOUR CLIENT WAS SEVERED WITH M2.
03:12:30PM >> WE WERE INFORMED THIS MORNING THAT THEY ARE SEVERING THE
03:12:35PM RELATIONSHIP.
03:12:35PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ARE YOU AWARE THAT YOUR COMPANY HAS BEEN
03:12:38PM IN VIOLATION OF ALL OF THE INFRACTIONS FOR A LONG PERIOD OF
03:12:42PM TIME?
03:12:43PM DID THEY DO ANYTHING TO TRY TO CIRCUMVENT THAT?
03:12:47PM >> THEY 100 -- MY CLIENT 100% DID TRY TO MAKE EFFORTS TO BE
03:12:52PM IN COMPLIANCE.
03:12:52PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THEY STOPPED HAVING CONCERTS WHERE HE WAS
03:12:55PM CHARGING PEOPLE -- EVENTS THEY APPLIED FOR SOME --
03:12:59PM >> YES.
03:12:59PM HAPPY TO PROVIDE YOU ADDITIONAL CONTEXT ABOUT -- ABOUT THE
03:13:04PM VARIOUS EVENTS THAT WERE TESTIFIED TO.
03:13:06PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: NOT THE VARIOUS EVENTS BUT EVENT FIVE,
03:13:10PM SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE, 10, 11, 12 ALREADY 13, 14, 15, 16,
03:13:18PM 17, 18, 19, 20.
03:13:22PM AWARE OF THOSE EVENTS.
03:13:23PM >> HE WAS AWARE FOR THE AB SUSPENSION HEARING BETWEEN THAT
03:13:27PM TIME AND THE HEARING ON THE OTHER TWO, HE FILED THE FORMAL
03:13:33PM DECISION NOTICE -- THE FORMAL DECISION REQUEST.
03:13:36PM AND THE FIRST VIOLATION IN 2021 WAS HAD.
03:13:39PM AND BE MR. PIPER DECIDED TO FILE THE FORMAL DECISION LETTER.
03:13:45PM APPEAR WEEK AFTER THE DECISION WAS MADE, THERE WAS A HEARING
03:13:49PM ON THE OTHER TWO THAT ARE FORMING THE BASIS OF THIS -- OF
03:13:52PM THIS -- OF THIS HEARING.
03:13:53PM TO PROVIDE YOU SOME CONTEXT OF HIS UNDERSTANDING THAT HE WAS
03:13:58PM IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW.
03:13:59PM FINANCE THAT THE SECOND AND THIRD VIOLATIONS, THOSE
03:14:06PM FINDINGS, HAPPENED AFTER HE SUBMITTED THE FORMAL DECISION
03:14:10PM LETTER.
03:14:10PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WOULD YOU CONSIDER ANYTHING AFTER NUMBER
03:14:12PM FOUR A VIOLATION?
03:14:15PM >> NO, MA'AM, I WOULD NOT.
03:14:16PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OH, WOW, OKAY.
03:14:18PM >> THIS IS A CONTESTED LEGAL DISPUTE THAT IS PRESENTLY ON
03:14:23PM APPEAL.
03:14:23PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: UNDERSTOOD.
03:14:25PM WHAT IS -- SINCE YOU ALL -- SINCE YOUR ORGANIZATION DID NOT
03:14:29PM HAVE A FORMAL CONTRACT WITH M2.
03:14:33PM WHAT WAS THE RELATIONSHIP?
03:14:34PM WHAT WAS THE AGREEMENT?
03:14:36PM >> MY UNDERSTANDING WAS --
03:14:38PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THEY HE COULD HAVE CONCERTS?
03:14:40PM >> I DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS OF THE INFORMAL ARRANGEMENT
03:14:45PM BETWEEN THE TWO.
03:14:46PM I HAVEN'T SEEN THE WRITTEN AGREEMENT.
03:14:48PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHAT ARE YOU HERE TO DO THEN?
03:14:50PM WHAT ARE YOU HERE TO DO?
03:14:52PM WHAT IS YOUR INFO?
03:14:55PM >> SORRY?
03:14:57PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHAT IS YOUR END GOAL IF YOU ARE NOT
03:15:00PM AWARE OF WHAT YOUR CLIENT -- PURPOSE OF BEING IN A
03:15:04PM RELATIONSHIP WITH M 2 AND UTILIZING THEIR FACILITIES.
03:15:06PM I AM JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
03:15:08PM >> SURE, I AM HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT.
03:15:10PM AFTER WE WERE INFORMED THIS MORNING THAT THEY ARE SEVERING
03:15:13PM THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CLIENT.
03:15:17PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHAT --
03:15:21PM >> TO COORDINATE DEEJAYS AT THE HOTEL PROPERTY.
03:15:24PM THAT WAS THE ARRANGEMENTS.
03:15:26PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: BEYOND NUMBER FOUR?
03:15:29PM >> YES, BEYOND NUMBER FOUR.
03:15:31PM BECAUSE WHAT IS CONTESTED BEFORE COURT IS WHETHER OR NOT
03:15:35PM HAVING A DEEJAY IS A TICKETED OUTDOOR CONCERT.
03:15:40PM THAT IS ON APPEAL.
03:15:42PM WHETHER HAVING A DEEJAY PLAYING MUSIC IS AN OUTDOOR TICKETED
03:15:46PM CONCERT.
03:15:46PM WHETHER THERE IS A PROHIBITION TO ALLOW THAT ON A WEEKLY
03:15:49PM BASIS.
03:15:49PM THE SPECIAL EVENTS PERMITS THAT YOU HEARD WERE PULLED, THEY
03:15:53PM WERE PULLED ON DAYS YOU WOULD EXPECT TO HAVE LARGE CROWDS,
03:15:56PM NEW YEAR'S EVE, FOR INSTANCE.
03:15:58PM AND IT WASN'T BECAUSE THEY KNEW OF THE LAW AND DIDN'T WANT
03:16:02PM TO COMPLY.
03:16:02PM THEY ANTICIPATED ON THOSE WEEKENDS HAVING LARGE CROWDS.
03:16:05PM AND THEY WANTED TO BE IN COMPLIANCE.
03:16:08PM SO THEY SUBMITTED A REQUEST FOR THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS
03:16:12PM FOR THOSE PARTICULAR DATES.
03:16:13PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY, THANK YOU.
03:16:15PM SIR.
03:16:16PM APPRECIATE IT.
03:16:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:16:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
03:16:21PM I HAVE QUICK QUESTION FOR MISS BATSEL.
03:16:29PM >> THANK YOU.
03:16:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HOW CAN WE GUARANTEE THAT DEEJAYS WON'T
03:16:40PM CONTINUE AT THIS PROPERTY?
03:16:42PM >> WELL, I THINK UNDER THE SPECIAL TEMPORARY EVENT AND THE
03:16:47PM PARAMETERS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THEIR ZONING, DEEJAYS COULD
03:16:50PM ON A VERY LIMITED BASIS CONTINUE.
03:16:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT WOULD THE LIMITED BASIS BE.
03:16:56PM >> I CAN READ THEM BACK INTO THE RECORD.
03:16:58PM ALL THE PARAMETERS THAT SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ MENTIONED INTO
03:17:01PM THE RECORD.
03:17:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SITE PLAN PARAMETERS.
03:17:03PM >> SITE PLAN PARAMETERS AN TO THE EXTENT A SPECIAL PERMIT
03:17:09PM UNDER THE CODE.
03:17:10PM A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT UNDER THE CODE.
03:17:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
03:17:13PM I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ.
03:17:16PM WHO PAID THE $31,500 IN FINES?
03:17:23PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: NO ONE HAS PAID THOSE YET.
03:17:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
03:17:26PM ARE PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED WHEN THE INDIVIDUAL -- YOU
03:17:36PM KNOW, THE PERSON LEASING OR USING OR REPRESENTING.
03:17:41PM SO SAY I OWN A PROPERTY AND THERE IS A RESTAURANT THERE.
03:17:44PM IF THEY GET A NOISE COMPLAINT OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF
03:17:49PM VIOLATION, LITTLE GET A NOTIFICATION OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
03:17:54PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THE CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATIONS, THE
03:17:57PM OWNER OF THE PROPERTY ARE PROVIDED NOTICE.
03:18:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: M2 HAS GOTTEN EVERY SINGLE -- HOW ABOUT
03:18:05PM NOISE.
03:18:05PM 264 SOME ODD NOISE COMPLAINTS.
03:18:08PM THEY HAVE RECEIVED EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE?
03:18:11PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RESPONSE WAS TO
03:18:13PM THE NOISE COMPLAINTS BECAUSE THOSE ARE PHONED INTO TAMPA
03:18:16PM POLICE DEPARTMENT.
03:18:16PM SO I DO KNOW OF THE ONE -- AND IT SHOWS THE ADDRESS ON THE
03:18:21PM CITATION.
03:18:21PM THERE IS A NAME ON THE CITATION.
03:18:23PM I AM NOT SURE WHO THAT PERSON IS EXCEPT TO ASSUME THEY WERE
03:18:27PM ON-SITE.
03:18:28PM AND WHATEVER THE DEFENSE MAY HAVE PROVIDED AT THE COUNTY
03:18:34PM COURT HEARING WERE NOT SUCCESSFUL IN AVOIDING A CONVICTION
03:18:39PM OR FINDING OF GUILT FOR THE NOISE VIOLATION.
03:18:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
03:18:43PM I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU.
03:18:45PM HOW CAN WE GUARANTEE, THE CITY, THAT THE DEEJAYS WON'T
03:18:50PM CONTINUE?
03:18:51PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN -- I DON'T
03:18:54PM KNOW HOW YOU CAN GUARANTEE THAT.
03:18:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
03:18:56PM THEN I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE -- THE WOMAN WHO SPOKE FIRST
03:19:00PM IN THE GREEN SHIRT.
03:19:01PM I AM SO SORRY.
03:19:02PM I DON'T HAVE YOUR NAME.
03:19:04PM >> GEM, ALISON ROBERTS FOR THE RECORD.
03:19:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT.
03:19:15PM YOU HAD A SLIDE THAT SHOWED HOW MANY DIFFERENT COMPLAINTS
03:19:19PM WERE BROUGHT IN.
03:19:20PM >> OH, I AM SORRY, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT HAD ALREADY BEFORE
03:19:24PM GIVEN.
03:19:25PM >> THANKS 'OKAY.
03:19:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK IT SAYS -- YEAH, THAT ONE.
03:19:32PM AND IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND PUTTING SLIDE BACK ON THE ELMO FOR
03:19:38PM US.
03:19:39PM HE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO CLARIFY AND THEN ASK -- NOT THAT
03:19:50PM PARTICULAR ONE.
03:19:51PM THERE IS ANOTHER ONE YOU HAD -- WELL, YOU CAN LEAVE THAT ONE
03:19:54PM THERE, BUT THE ONE THAT HAD ALL THE NUMBERS OF THE
03:19:57PM COMPLAINTS THAT HAVE BEEN CALLED IN.
03:19:59PM I THINK -- UH-OH -- YEAH, JUST A SECOND.
03:20:03PM IT LIKES TO RESTART ITSELF EVERY NOW AND AGAIN.
03:20:06PM IT IS TIRED.
03:20:07PM YES, THERE YOU GO.
03:20:09PM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
03:20:10PM SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. COTTON ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR
03:20:13PM SLIDE.
03:20:13PM SO WHEN THESE ARE CALLED IN, WHAT IS THE -- OH, WHAT IS THE
03:20:24PM DIFFERENCE BECAUSE -- THERE WAS A CALL FOR NOISE -- WHERE
03:20:32PM WERE THE NOISE COMPLAINTS?
03:20:33PM SO DISTURBANCE MUSIC, 159.
03:20:36PM SO WHEN THOSE ARE CALLED IN, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
03:20:39PM A NOISE COMPLAINT AND THEN WHAT WAS FINISHED AT THE
03:20:43PM MAGISTRATE WHICH WAS THE NOISE -- OOH, I FORGET THE NAME.
03:20:48PM >>ERIC COTTON: I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
03:20:51PM THE COMPLAINTS GO TO TPD AND A CRIMINAL --
03:20:55PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MAKE SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ QUESTION.
03:20:57PM I APOLOGIZE.
03:21:00PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ.
03:21:01PM NOISE COMPLAINTS WITH A COMPLAINT ISSUED BY TPD, THAT IS
03:21:06PM WHERE THEY GO.
03:21:06PM RESPONDED BY THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
03:21:08PM ON THE WEEKENDS AND AFTER HOUR AND TAMPA POLICE OFFICER WILL
03:21:13PM ISSUE A CITATION TO APPEAR IN COURT TO ANSWER FOR THE
03:21:15PM CHARGES.
03:21:16PM THAT HAPPENED WITH THE NOISE COMPLAINT.
03:21:17PM THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AND THE CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE IS
03:21:21PM THAT IS FOR --
03:21:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN I CALL IN AND
03:21:28PM COMPLAIN OF A NOISE COMPLAINT.
03:21:29PM HOW DID IT GET TO THE MAGISTRATE?
03:21:31PM I GUESS THAT IS WHAT I AM NOT UNDERSTANDING.
03:21:34PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THE NOISE COMPLAINT DIDN'T GO TO THE
03:21:36PM MAGISTRATE BUT COUNTY COURT.
03:21:38PM EDGECOMB COURTHOUSE.
03:21:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHY ONLY ONE GO TO COUNTY COURT AND NOT THE
03:21:43PM 158 OTHERS.
03:21:44PM THAT IS WHAT I NEED TO UNDERSTAND.
03:21:46PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THE OTHER
03:21:48PM COMPLAINT CALLS, IF THERE WAS A CITATION ISSUED.
03:21:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A NOISE
03:21:54PM COMPLAINT AND CITATION.
03:21:55PM HOW DO YOU GET A CITATION.
03:21:56PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS TO ISSUE
03:21:59PM A CITATION FOR A NOISE COMPLAINT.
03:22:01PM IN THIS CASE -- WELL, THE CASE UNDER WHICH THE BASES WE ARE
03:22:07PM SEEKING SUSPENSION.
03:22:07PM OFFICER WENT AND MEASURED -- AS FAR AS 2600 FEET AWAY.
03:22:15PM UNDER THE CITY CODE, YOU HAVE TO BE 100 FEET AWAY.
03:22:17PM THEY WERE 25 TIMES FARTHER THAN THEY HAD TO BE.
03:22:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, BY AND LARGE, FOR THESE
03:22:25PM 159 OTHER EVENTS, IF THE COMPLAINANT HAD ASKED, THEY COULD
03:22:29PM HAVE POSSIBLY ISSUED CITATION AS SOON AS.
03:22:33PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: WELL, IT IS UP TO THE TAMPA POLICE
03:22:35PM OFFICER WHO RESPONDS TO THE CALL TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT
03:22:37PM THEY ISSUE A CITATION.
03:22:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
03:22:40PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: IN THIS ONE PARTICULAR CASE, THEY
03:22:43PM DID.
03:22:43PM I AM NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED IN THE OTHER CASES.
03:22:45PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT WAS MY QUESTION WHY ONE VERSUS ANOTHER.
03:22:48PM I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD THAT ONE OF
03:22:51PM THEM WENT TO COURT, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE WEREN'T 100
03:22:54PM AND SOME OTHER CALLS.
03:22:56PM THAT DIDN'T NECESSARILY GET TO COURT AND STILL A COMPLAINT.
03:23:00PM THANK IS THAT.
03:23:02PM I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU, MA'AM.
03:23:04PM DO THESE EVENTS ONLY HAPPEN ON THE WEEKENDS?
03:23:11PM >> TYPICALLY ON THE WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS.
03:23:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT DAYS OF THE WEEK?
03:23:16PM >> SO THE TICKETED CONCERTS OCCUR ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.
03:23:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
03:23:21PM >> THEY DO HAVE REGULAR CONCERTS THERE ARE NOT TICKETED ON
03:23:24PM OTHER DAYS.
03:23:25PM BUT WE DID NOT COUNT THOSE IN ANY OF THE NUMBERS THAT IT
03:23:28PM WERE PRESENTED.
03:23:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
03:23:30PM >> -- TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
03:23:31PM >> COULD I ANSWER A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS.
03:23:34PM AM I ALLOWED THAT YOU HAVE ASKED.
03:23:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SURE, IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU CAN ANSWER THEM, I
03:23:39PM AM HAPPY TO GET YOUR RESPONSE.
03:23:41PM >> OKAY.
03:23:42PM >> FOR THE RECORD, OBJECTION.
03:23:45PM WE ARE HEARING A LOT -- FOR THE RECORD -- CAN I BE
03:23:51PM RECOGNIZED.
03:23:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: FOR THE RECORD, MR. CHAIRMAN.
03:23:54PM >>LY LEASE BATSEL, STEARNS, WEAVER AND MILLER.
03:23:59PM WE ARE HEARING A LOT OF TESTIMONY.
03:24:01PM NO DOCUMENTATION OTHER THAN SECONDHAND DOCUMENTATION FROM
03:24:05PM SOMEONE NOT IN THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
03:24:06PM FROM AN EVIDENCE STANDPOINT, WANT TO POINT THAT OUT FOR THE
03:24:10PM RECORD IF THAT IS PART OF YOUR CONSIDERATION, WIRE TO BE
03:24:13PM THAT LINE OF QUESTIONING.
03:24:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I APPRECIATE THAT.
03:24:15PM AND IT IS NOT.
03:24:16PM THAT IS WHY I WAS TRYING TO MAKE THE CLARIFICATION SO I
03:24:18PM APPRECIATE THAT.
03:24:19PM >> UNDERSTAND.
03:24:20PM I AM JUST PUTTING ON THE RECORD.
03:24:21PM >> I WILL MAKE SURE I DO NOT TESTIFY ABOUT FOR TPD.
03:24:27PM BUT DO YOU HAVE SOMEONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WAS AT THE COURT
03:24:30PM CASE ON THE NOISE VIOLATION.
03:24:33PM SO YOU MAY BE ABLE TO GET MUCH MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT
03:24:37PM IF YOU WERE TO ASK.
03:24:38PM ALSO, IT WAS ASKED WHETHER THERE WAS ANY -- WAS THIS A
03:24:46PM SURPRISE.
03:24:48PM SO THIS COMPLAINT DID GO IN AND I -- IT HAS BEEN THERE AND
03:24:56PM SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN WORKING ON.
03:24:58PM BUT CHICAGO REPRESENTATION FOR M2 CAME DOWN.
03:25:04PM AND THEY WERE PART OF THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE FDN HEARING
03:25:08PM BASED ON MY RECOLLECTION WHEN WE HAD THAT PRIOR TO THAT
03:25:13PM DECISION COMING IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL AS WELL.
03:25:16PM SO JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT ABOUT HOW LONG THEY HAVE
03:25:20PM KNOWN.
03:25:21PM I WAS THERE.
03:25:22PM I TESTIFIED.
03:25:23PM THEY ARE VERY AWARE OF THE ISSUES AT THAT POINT.
03:25:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION TO YOU BASED ON THIS
03:25:30PM SLIDE.
03:25:30PM SO YOU SAID THE FORMAL DECISION QUESTION WAS ENTERED RIGHT
03:25:36PM AFTER THE FIRST COMPLAINT ON 6/14/22.
03:25:40PM IS THAT WHAT THAT IS SHOWING?
03:25:44PM THE GRAY TRIANGLE?
03:25:47PM THE FIRST -- BE IN Q 2.
03:25:49PM >> CORRECT.
03:25:50PM THERE WAS A -- CAN I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION -- I WANT TO MAKE
03:25:54PM SURE I AM ANSWERING IT CORRECTLY.
03:25:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK: MY QUESTION WAS, THAT IS WHEN THEY PUT THE
03:25:59PM QUESTION OF THE FORMAL DECISION?
03:26:01PM >> CORRECT.
03:26:02PM THAT IS WHEN THEY FIRST MADE THEIR REQUEST.
03:26:04PM THE AFFIDAVIT WASN'T SENT IN UNTIL US A.
03:26:09PM SO THERE WAS A DELAY ON THEIR ENDS, BUT THAT'S CORRECT.
03:26:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
03:26:13PM AND SO THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE.
03:26:19PM THEY -- I BELIEVE FROM YOU ARE IN TESTIMONY EARLIER, YOU
03:26:23PM TALKED -- YOU TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE IS ALSO A
03:26:26PM CHANGE OF LAND USE POSSIBLY INVOLVED IN THIS?
03:26:30PM OR IS THIS MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ.
03:26:34PM NO?
03:26:35PM >> I THINK THAT MAY HAVE BEEN ANOTHER -- BASED ON HISTORICAL
03:26:39PM PATTERNS OF THE PROPERTY.
03:26:41PM THAT -- THAT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY STOP FUTURE HERE AND
03:26:47PM ENFORCEMENT THAT WE HAVE SEEN.
03:26:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I APOLOGIZE, THEN, I MISHEARD.
03:26:52PM THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS.
03:26:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
03:26:58PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: GOING BACK FOR 2022, IS IT THE SAME OWNER
03:27:04PM WITH THE SAME LIQUOR LICENSE?
03:27:06PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: M2 TAMPA LCC SINCE AUGUST OF 2021.
03:27:13PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE LICENSE WAS HIS LICENSE?
03:27:16PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: CORRECT.
03:27:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE GROUP OR THE BAND, WERE THEY HIRED
03:27:21PM MUSICIAN AS SOON AS.
03:27:22PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THEY HAVE CONCERTS WITH DEEJAYS AND
03:27:25PM SO FORTH.
03:27:25PM THAT IS A SEPARATE ENTITY.
03:27:27PM BUT EVERYTHING THAT THAT SEPARATE ENTITY -- MR. PIPER, A
03:27:31PM SEPARATE PERSON OR PRODUCTION COMPANY HAS DONE HAS BEEN WITH
03:27:35PM AUTHORIZATION FROM THE OWNER.
03:27:36PM EVERYTHING THAT --
03:27:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOT A QUESTION IN MY MIND.
03:27:40PM ANY TIME ANYBODY BUYS SOMETHING, THEY LOOK AT THE PRO FORMA
03:27:45PM FOR -- NOT TALKING OF THIS CASE, IN GENERAL, THREE YEAR,
03:27:50PM FIVE YEAR, BEFORE THE THEY BUY SOMETHING.
03:27:53PM I DON'T KNOW, I AM JUST TALKING TO MYSELF.
03:27:55PM I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE MUM BOW JUMBO HERE
03:28:01PM -- MUMBO-JUMBO BUT I CAN'T TALK ABOUT HOW I FEEL.
03:28:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
03:28:08PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S IT.
03:28:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
03:28:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DON'T WANT TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE.
03:28:13PM BUT I HAVE -- IS IT POSSIBLE FOR Y'ALL TO -- FOR YOU TO YOU
03:28:18PM CLARIFY.
03:28:18PM YOU HIGHLIGHTED PARAGRAPHS D, L, AND N.
03:28:24PM CAN YOU SUMMARIZE THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU ARE USING
03:28:28PM SPECIFICALLY THAT CORRELATES WITH D, L, AND N?
03:28:33PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: YES, SIR, I CERTAINLY CAN.
03:28:34PM D, WHICH IS -- LET ME JUST FLIP TO THE FREIGHTING THE
03:28:39PM ESTABLISHMENT IN A MANNER THAT REPEATEDLY OR IN AN ONGOING
03:28:43PM BASE POLICE HAVE NEGATIVE SECONDARY EFFECTS ON THE PROPERTY.
03:28:46PM THE EVIDENCE THERE IS THE TESTIMONY YOU HEARD FROM ALL OF
03:28:50PM THE NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA THAT COME TO TESTIFY THIS
03:28:52PM AFTERNOON.
03:28:53PM THAT ESTABLISHED NEGATIVE -- WE BELIEVE THAT ESTABLISHED
03:28:56PM NEGATIVE SECONDARY IMPACTS FROM THE ESTABLISHMENT.
03:28:59PM NUMBER L, BE CONVICTED OF THE MAXIMUM SOUND LEVELS PROVIDED
03:29:04PM IN CHAPTER 13.
03:29:05PM WE HAVE THE COURT FINDING, AFTER A TRIAL, IN JANUARY 2024 OF
03:29:11PM VIOLATION OF SECTION 14-154 WHICH IS PART OF THE CITY'S
03:29:16PM NOISE ORDINANCE FOR AN OFFICER BEING ABLE TO HEAR MUSIC FROM
03:29:23PM 2630 FEET AWAY.
03:29:24PM AND THEN FINALLY, WE HAVE THE THREE CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES,
03:29:29PM THE THREE CODE ENFORCEMENT ORDERS THAT FOUND A VIOLATION OF
03:29:34PM -- FOR FAILURE TO OBTAIN AND FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THE
03:29:37PM CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT IS FAILURE TO OBTAIN TEMPORARY
03:29:40PM SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS PURSUANT TO 27-282.16 OF THE CITY
03:29:45PM CODE.
03:29:45PM AND I WOULD ADD THAT MISS BATSEL SAID THAT THEY WEREN'T
03:29:49PM CONTESTING ANY OF THE EVIDENCE.
03:29:51PM SO IT IS UNCONTROVERTED THAT ALL OF THOSE ARE FACTS.
03:29:56PM NO ONE CONTESTED THOSE.
03:29:57PM THOSE ARE ALL ACTUALLY ESTABLISHED FACTS AT THIS POINT THAT
03:30:00PM THEY HAVE ESSENTIALLY ADMITTED TO.
03:30:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SPEAKING OF LAW, MR. SHELBY OR MISS
03:30:07PM JOHNSON-VELEZ, IF BOTH SIDES HAVE STIPULATED TO THAT FACT,
03:30:13PM THAT THESE VIOLATIONS HAVE OCCURRED.
03:30:16PM THEN WE ALREADY -- WE REALLY CAN BY PASS THE FINDING OF THE
03:30:23PM FACT THAT WE HAVE A VIOLATION?
03:30:25PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: NO SHELLS SHELBY NO, IF I CAN.
03:30:27PM MAY I.
03:30:28PM SPECIFICALLY THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO.
03:30:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IF BOTH SIDES HAVE STIPULATED.
03:30:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: COULD BE ONE COUNTY BASES OF YOUR DECISION,
03:30:37PM BUT STILL HAS TO BE A FORMAL DECISION AND A DECISION
03:30:41PM FORMALLY MADE BY THIS BODY BY MOTION OR VOTE OF COUNCIL FOR
03:30:47PM A FINDING BEFORE YOU CAN
03:30:12 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IF WE ARE IN AGREEMENT THAT THESE THINGS
03:30:49 HAPPENED, SO BEATING THIS DEAD HORSE -- SO WOULD IT BE
03:30:59 APPROPRIATE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE VIOLATIONS
03:31:02 HAS OCCURRED?
03:31:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, THAT'S NOT THE MOTION. FRANKLY AT
03:31:08 THIS POINT IN TIME THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL BY
03:31:13 MS. BATSEL, AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU HEAR OUT ALL OF THE
03:31:16 ARGUMENT FROM STAFF -- FROM CITY LEGAL, AND IF THERE'S
03:31:21 ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED BY CITY STAFF AND THEN
03:31:23 ALLOW MS. BATSEL FOR THAT PERIOD OF REBUTTAL, I DON'T KNOW
03:31:27 WHETHER BACK AND FORTH SURREBUTTAL --
03:31:34 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION BEFORE WE MOVE
03:31:36 ON, GOING BACK TO THIS PENDING LITIGATION.
03:31:38 IS IT PART OF THE STIPULATION ON THE SITE PLAN, AND THAT IS
03:31:43 BASICALLY FOR SPECIAL EVENTS?
03:31:45 ISN'T THAT WHAT IS BEING PENDING?
03:31:47 SO IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE SPECIAL EVENTS, WOULDN'T ALL OF THIS
03:31:51 BE WIPED AWAY?
03:31:55 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: NO, BECAUSE THERE ARE ORDERS FROM
03:31:57 THE CITY'S CODE ENFORCEMENT SPECIAL MAGISTRATE FINDING A
03:32:00 VIOLATION THAT WERE NOT APPEALED, SO THOSE ORDERS ARE FINAL.
03:32:05 THAT IS WHAT FORMS THE BASIS OF THE PORTION OF THIS CASE.
03:32:12 IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN COURT WITH
03:32:15 THAT CASE.
03:32:16 IT HAS TO DO WITH FINAL ORDERS IMPOSING FINES IN THE AMOUNT
03:32:20 OF $31,500 FOR FAILING TO GET A TEMPORARY SPECIAL EVENT
03:32:25 PERMIT.
03:32:28 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BUT ISN'T THAT WHAT'S ON THE SITE PLAN?
03:32:31 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THE REQUIREMENT IS ON THE SITE PLAN.
03:32:32 THEY FAILED TO DO THAT.
03:32:34 THEY WERE FOUND IN VIOLATION FOR FAILING TO DO THAT.
03:32:36 AND THEN NO ONE APPEALED THOSE.
03:32:39 SO YOU ARE IN ESSENCE AGREEING WITH THAT, IF YOU DON'T
03:32:42 APPEAL IT.
03:32:43 IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO APPEAL IT AND SAY THIS IS NOT
03:32:46 APPROPRIATE, BUT THOSE ORDERS ARE FINAL, AND THAT IS NOT THE
03:32:48 SUBJECT OF THE PENDING COURT CASE.
03:32:50 NONE OF THOSE CODE ENFORCEMENT ORDERS ARE THE SUBJECT OF
03:32:54 THIS PENDING COURT CASE.
03:32:55 FURTHERMORE, I WILL REITERATE THAT MS. BATSEL HAS AGREED TO
03:32:59 THE EVIDENCE, IS NOT CONTESTING ANY OF THE EVIDENCE THAT'S
03:33:01 BEEN SUBMITTED BEFORE YOU.
03:33:02 SO I WOULD PROPOSE THE REVERSE OF WHAT MR. SHELBY SUGGESTED
03:33:06 SINCE THE CITY HAS THE BURDEN HERE.
03:33:08 I WOULD ASK THAT MS. BATSEL BE HEARD FIRST ON REBUTTAL AND
03:33:12 THEN IF I MAY CLOSE OUT THE CASE.
03:33:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
03:33:17 NO, NO, MS. BATSEL, YOU HAVE YOUR TIME FOR REBUTTAL.
03:33:22 >>ELISE BATSEL: ELISE BATSEL FOR THE RECORD.
03:33:25 JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS.
03:33:26 I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY MS. JOHNSON-VELEZ DID SAY THAT
03:33:30 EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED WAS WITH THE AUTHORIZATION OF THE
03:33:33 OWNER.
03:33:33 I'M SURE THAT'S NOT WHAT SHE MEANT.
03:33:36 I WANT IN THE RECORD WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE FINAL FORMAL
03:33:39 DETERMINATION AND THE AGREEMENT THEY HAD TO HOLD THE
03:33:41 CONCERTS, NOT EVERYTHING WAS WITH THE AUTHORIZATION OF THE
03:33:43 OWNER.
03:33:44 I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
03:33:46 I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER WHEN YOU ARE
03:33:48 THINKING ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE MAKING A DECISION ON FOR
03:33:52 THIS NOTICE OF INTENT, IT IS THE OLD VIOLATIONS THAT WE ARE
03:33:57 TALKING ABOUT FROM 2021 AND 2023 THAT FORMED THE BASIS, THE
03:34:03 NOISE VIOLATION.
03:34:06 WE HEARD TESTIMONY ABOUT OTHER THINGS TODAY, BUT WHAT YOU
03:34:09 ARE CHARGED WITH IN FORMING YOU'RE DECISION WITH RESPECT TO
03:34:12 THE SUSPENSION IS WHAT IS REFERENCED BACK TO THE BASIS,
03:34:18 THOSE SPECIFIC BASES, AND WE HAVE STIPULATED TO THOSE FACTS.
03:34:23 WE PROVIDED YOU WITH THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION SO THAT IT
03:34:27 MIGHT FORM YOUR DECISION ABOUT THE LENGTH AND THE SCOPE OF
03:34:32 THE SUSPENSION FOR THE SUSPENSION.
03:34:37 WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
03:34:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:34:39 NOW, IF THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE CLOSING REMARKS, MS.
03:34:44 JOHNSON-VELEZ.
03:34:45 AND THEN WE WILL ASK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE.
03:34:47 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
03:34:50 COUNCIL, I THINK WE HAVE GONE OVER THE EVIDENCE IN QUITE A
03:34:53 BIT OF DETAIL SO I WON'T REITERATE THAT, BUT THE CITY
03:34:56 BELIEVES THAT WE HAVE CLEARLY SHOWN BASED ON UNCONTROVERTED
03:35:00 EVIDENCE THAT THERE IS IN FACT A VIOLATION OF SECTION
03:35:04 27-318, BASED ON SECTION D AND SECTION L AND SECTION N, AND
03:35:12 I WOULD POINT TO YOU TO PAGE 506 OF THE COPY THAT I PROVIDED
03:35:16 OF SECTION 27-318 WITH RESPECT TO THE MANNERS THAT COUNCIL
03:35:21 SHOULD CONSIDER WHEN DETERMINING THE LENGTH OF ANY OF THE
03:35:26 SUSPENSION.
03:35:28 THE CITY AGAIN HAS ASKED FOR THE MAXIMUM 30-DAY SUSPENSION,
03:35:31 AND COUNCIL SHALL CONSIDER, YOU CAN SEE IT LISTED IN THE
03:35:34 MIDDLE OF THE PAGE, THE GRAVITY OF THE VIOLATION WHICH I
03:35:36 BELIEVE WE HAVE SHOWN IT'S PRETTY GRAVE VIOLATIONS
03:35:39 PARTICULARLY BASED ON THE SECONDARY IMPACTS THAT HAVE BEEN
03:35:42 EXPERIENCED BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS,
03:35:45 ANY ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE VIOLATORS TO CORRECT THE VIOLATION
03:35:48 UP UNTIL THIS POINT, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY SWORN TESTIMONY BY A
03:35:53 FACT WITNESS OF ANY STEPS THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN TO CORRECT
03:35:57 THE VIOLATION.
03:35:59 AND THEN PREVIOUS VIOLATIONS AGAIN, THIS WHOLE CASE IS BASED
03:36:02 ON PREVIOUS VIOLATIONS.
03:36:04 AND THE FACT THAT DESPITE THOSE PRIOR FINDINGS OF VIOLATION,
03:36:08 THE TYPES OF ACTIVITY UPON WHICH THOSE WERE BASED HAVE
03:36:11 CONTINUED ON NOW FOR THE PAST TWO AND THREE YEARS, AND SO
03:36:17 BASED ON ALL OF THOSE, CITY WOULD REQUEST IMPOSITION OF THE
03:36:21 MAXIMUM, FIRST OF ALL, A FINDING OF A VIOLATION AS BEING A
03:36:25 FIRST VIOLATION, AND WE REQUEST IMPOSITION OF THE MAXIMUM
03:36:28 PENALTY OF 30 DAYS.
03:36:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:36:32 YES?
03:36:33 >>LYNN HURTAK: BEFORE WE QUIT THE PUBLIC HEARING, THERE
03:36:35 WERE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT TIMING FROM SOME OF OUR -- FROM
03:36:44 SOME WHO PROVIDED TESTIMONY.
03:36:46 DOES THE CITY HAVE A POSITION ON THAT?
03:36:59 >>ERIC COTTON: LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
03:37:00 THE CITY DOES NOT.
03:37:02 I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE NEIGHBORS ARE COMING FROM, THOUGH.
03:37:05 AND THAT'S THE PURVIEW OF THE COUNCIL.
03:37:08 >>LYNN HURTAK: SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO REOPEN.
03:37:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
03:37:13 MOTION FROM MIRANDA, SECONDED BY --
03:37:20 MR. SHELBY.
03:37:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AGAIN I AM GOING TO DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION
03:37:24 FOR PURPOSES OF YOUR DISCUSSION TO TAB A-1, AND PARTICULARLY
03:37:29 TO PAGE 4 OF 6, TAB A-1, 4 OF 6, REVOCATION OR SUSPENSION OF
03:37:40 SALES FOR CAUSE AND FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE RECORD I AM
03:37:43 GOING TO READ JUST A PORTION OF SECTION 27-318.
03:37:47 IT SAYS THE CITY COUNCIL, AFTER CONDUCTING A PUBLIC HEARING
03:37:51 AS PROVIDED IN THE CITY CODE, IS AUTHORIZED TO SUSPEND OR
03:37:54 REVOKE THE ABILITY TO SELL ALCOHOL BEVERAGES FROM PROPERTY,
03:37:59 WHICH HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY GRANTED AND APPROVED, IN ORDER FOR
03:38:02 THE CITY COUNCIL TO SUSPEND OR REVOKE, IT MUST DETERMINE
03:38:07 THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER, HOLDER OF THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE
03:38:10 LICENSE, PRIORITIES OF THE ESTABLISHMENT OR ANY AGENT OR
03:38:14 EMPLOYEE THEREOF, HAVE BEEN FOUND TO HAVE VIOLATED OR HAVE
03:38:16 BEEN CONVICTED OF ANY ONE OF THE FOLLOWING, ONE OR MORE OF
03:38:20 THE FOLLOWING.
03:38:21 AND AGAIN, YOU HAVE HEARD WHAT WAS HIGHLIGHTED WITH SECTIONS
03:38:25 D, L AND N, AND I WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL NOT CONTEMPLATE ANY
03:38:30 PENALTY UNTIL THIS DETERMINATION HAS BEEN MADE BY MOTION AND
03:38:34 VOTE OF COUNCIL.
03:38:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO THE FIRST PART IS THAT THERE WAS OR
03:38:39 WAS NOT A VIOLATION, AND THEN WE GO TO THE PENALTY MOTION.
03:38:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
03:38:44 MOTIONS.
03:38:45 AND THE FIRST ONE SHOULD BE A FINDING.
03:38:47 COUNCIL, AGAIN YOU KNOW WHAT THE BASES FOR THOSE.
03:38:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU ARE
03:38:53 RECOGNIZED.
03:38:54 >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
03:38:58 >>GWEN HENDERSON: ATTORNEY SHELBY, CAN YOU EXCEED THE 30
03:39:05 DAYS?
03:39:08 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE ARE NOT GOING THERE YET.
03:39:09 THAT'S EXACTLY OUR POINT.
03:39:11 YOU ARE AT THE FIRST DECISION POINT OF THRESHOLD QUESTION
03:39:13 THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED BY MOTION AND VOTE AND FINDING OF
03:39:17 FACT BY CITY COUNCIL.
03:39:18 >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL TRY AND SEE WHAT YOU PEOPLE THINK.
03:39:24 I FIND THAT THE GODFREY HOTEL AND CABANA 7700 COURTNEY
03:39:29 CAMPBELL CAUSEWAY HAS VIOLATED AND/OR BEEN CONVICTED OF D,
03:39:41 OPERATING THE ESTABLISHMENT IN A MANNER THAT REPEATEDLY OR
03:39:45 ONGOING BASIS HAS NEGATIVE SECONDARY EFFECTS ON SURROUNDING
03:39:48 PROPERTY INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO VIOLATIONS OF CITY
03:39:50 CODE, ORDINANCES, STATE LAW, RELATED TO NOISE, PARKING OR
03:39:54 TRASH AND DEBRIS AFTER HAVING ACCEPTED REASONABLE NOTICE TO
03:39:57 TERMINATOR CORRECT ANY CONDITIONS THAT IS IN THE VIOLATION
03:40:00 OF SUCH CODE, ORDINANCE OR LAW, SUBSECTION L, THEN CONVICTED
03:40:04 OF THE EXTERIOR MAXIMUM SOUND LEVELS AS PROVIDED FOR IN
03:40:07 CHAPTER 14, NOISE, SPECIFICALLY THE JANUARY 24th, 2024
03:40:14 TRIAL, DEALING WITH SUBSECTION 14-154, AND SUBSECTION N, THE
03:40:25 VIOLATION OF ANY SECTION OF CHAPTER 14 OR 27, ANY CONDITION
03:40:30 LIMITATION OR RESTRICTION IMPOSED BY CITY COUNCIL OR THE
03:40:32 ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AT THE TIME OF APPROVAL OR ANY OTHER
03:40:35 SECTION OF THE TAMPA CITY CODE RELATING TO ALCOHOLIC
03:40:38 BEVERAGES, MOST NOTABLY THE THREE CASES PREVIOUSLY DECIDED
03:40:43 BY THE MAGISTRATE.
03:40:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO THERE IS A MOTION OF A FINDING --
03:40:49 >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST FINDING OF VIOLATION.
03:40:51 I DO HAVE, ONCE SOMEONE SECONDS, I HAVE ANOTHER -- WELL, NO,
03:40:56 I WILL JUST WAIT.
03:40:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
03:41:00 THIS IS THE MOTION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE.
03:41:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND ANY CONDITIONAL FINDINGS THAT YOU WANT
03:41:06 TO PUT IN THE RECORD TO SUPPLEMENT THAT.
03:41:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
03:41:11 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DIVIDE
03:41:14 THE QUESTION AND ADD SECTION N AS A SEPARATE VOTE, BECAUSE I
03:41:18 AM COMFORTABLE VOTING ON THE FIRST ON D, AND L, BUT I STILL
03:41:24 DON'T BELIEVE I HAVE HEARD ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST TO N
03:41:31 IS APPLICABLE HERE.
03:41:32 SO I WOULD LIKE TWO VOTES.
03:41:35 >>LYNN HURTAK: THE ISSUE IS, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TWO
03:41:39 SEPARATE PENALTIES.
03:41:43 I DON'T THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
03:41:45 BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR ISSUE WITH N.
03:41:48 AND I AM HAPPY TO TAKE N OUT, BECAUSE I THINK D AND L ON ITS
03:41:52 OWN MERIT, NOW I DON'T KNOW IF MS. JOHNSON-VELEZ AGREES WITH
03:41:58 ME ON THAT.
03:42:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN.
03:42:03 NUMBER ONE IS, THIS WAS THE NOTICE OF THESE OF THESE OTHER
03:42:10 THREE CITED.
03:42:12 IF YOU WISH TO DO IT SEPARATELY, YOU CAN.
03:42:16 IT IS UP TO, I GUESS, THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, DISCUSSION OF
03:42:19 COUNCIL.
03:42:20 CERTAINLY, IF THERE'S A DISAGREEMENT AMONG COUNCIL, IT DOES
03:42:24 NOT REQUIRE UNANIMOUS VOTE.
03:42:28 >> IT SEEMS IT WOULD BE CLEANER.
03:42:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT MIGHT BE ACTUALLY LESS CLEAN IF YOU
03:42:33 HAVE A MORE CONVOLUTED RECORD.
03:42:36 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT IF WE JUST ELIMINATE THE ONE MOTION
03:42:40 AND HAVE THE TWO?
03:42:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY: LET'S FIND OUT WHERE WE GO.
03:42:44 DO YOU WANT A LEGAL OPINION?
03:42:49 >>LYNN HURTAK: DO WE HAVE TO OPEN --
03:42:51 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, THEY ARE REPRESENTING THE CITY.
03:42:54 YOU ARE FINE.
03:42:57 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I THINK IT'S UP TO COUNCIL TO
03:43:00 DETERMINE IF YOU HEARD SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE.
03:43:02 NONE OF THE EVIDENCE WAS CONTROVERTED AND THE PROPERTY
03:43:05 OWNER, THEY ARE NOT CONTESTING ANY OF THE EVIDENCE, ANY OF
03:43:08 THE BASES, ANYTHING.
03:43:09 >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
03:43:11 SO I WILL NOT TAKE --
03:43:15 >>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
03:43:19 COUNCILMAN VIERA WITH THE SECOND.
03:43:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: REGARDING THE MOTION, I AM FINE WITH IT
03:43:23 BUT I DON'T THINK THE SECTION OF LAW SPECIFICALLY WAS
03:43:26 MENTIONED.
03:43:27 THAT FALSE UNDER 27-318?
03:43:30 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: YES.
03:43:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: DID YOU SAY THAT?
03:43:35 >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, YOU DIDN'T, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
03:43:39 I WILL ACCEPT COUNCILMEMBER MIRANDA'S SUGGESTION TO ADD THAT
03:43:47 IT IS SECTION 27-318.D.
03:43:58 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SECTION 27-318 C-1, D, L AND N.
03:44:01 >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M SORRY.
03:44:04 C-1, D, L AND N.
03:44:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE'S A SECONDER TO THE MOTION?
03:44:12 COUNCILMEMBER VIERA WITH THE SECOND.
03:44:13 ROLL CALL VOTE.
03:44:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
03:44:17 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
03:44:17 >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
03:44:19 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: [OFF MICROPHONE]
03:44:23 >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
03:44:24 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
03:44:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
03:44:26 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CLENDENIN VOTING NO.
03:44:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU HAVE A FOLLOW-UP MOTION?
03:44:33 >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, I DID.
03:44:35 AND THIS IS GOING TO BE CONTROVERSIAL SO I AM JUST GOING TO
03:44:37 PUT IT OUT THERE.
03:44:41 >>MARTIN SHELBY: SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU BUT I WANT TO BRING
03:44:44 YOU BACK TO THE CODE UPON WHICH YOU MUST BASE YOUR DECISION.
03:44:47 AND AGAIN READING FROM 27-318.
03:44:51 AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH IT IS, I BELIEVE IT'S C.
03:44:55 IT WOULD BE FOLLOWING N.
03:44:56 SO IT WOULD BE C.
03:44:59 CITY COUNCIL MAY SUSPEND THE ABILITY TO SELL ALCOHOLIC
03:45:03 BEVERAGES FOR UP TO 30 DAYS FOR THE FIRST VIOLATION.
03:45:10 60 DAYS FOR THE SECOND VIOLATION AND 90 DAYS FOR THE THIRD
03:45:14 VIOLATION.
03:45:14 UPON THE FOURTH OR SUBSEQUENT VIOLATION, CITY COUNCIL MAY
03:45:17 CONSIDER REVOCATION OF THE APPROVAL, REVOCATION OF THE
03:45:22 APPROVAL TO SELL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
03:45:24 IN DETERMINING WHETHER TO SUSPEND OR REVOKE AN APPROVAL TO
03:45:28 SELL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, CITY COUNCIL SHALL CONSIDER, A,
03:45:34 THE GRAVITY OF THE VIOLATION, B, ANY ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE
03:45:39 VIOLATOR TO CORRECT THE VIOLATION, AND, C, ANY PREVIOUS
03:45:43 VIOLATIONS COMMITTED BY THE VIOLATOR.
03:45:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMEMBER HURTAK.
03:45:49 >>LYNN HURTAK: AND THIS IS THE REASON I CHOSE THIS, BECAUSE
03:45:52 I APPRECIATE MR. SHELBY MENTIONING SECTION 27-318 SUBSECTION
03:46:03 C -- I'M SORRY, 1, C-1, AFTER -- IN THE AREA TALKING ABOUT
03:46:14 WHAT THE -- WHAT WE CAN LOOK AT TO DETERMINE THIS.
03:46:19 THE GRAVITY OF THE VIOLATION I FOUND TO BE VERY EGREGIOUS
03:46:23 BECAUSE THIS CONTINUES TO HAPPEN OVER AND OVER AND OVER
03:46:25 AGAIN.
03:46:26 BUT THE SLIDE THAT WE SAW, ALL OF THE DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT
03:46:30 ARE HAPPENING AND THE PHOTOS OF HOW MANY EVENTS ARE
03:46:32 HAPPENING OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND THE ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE
03:46:36 VIOLATOR TO CORRECT THE VIOLATION, AT THE VERY LAST MINUTE
03:46:39 THE OWNER DECIDED TO COME IN AND TRY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT
03:46:43 IT.
03:46:43 AND ANY PREVIOUS VIOLATIONS COMMITTED BY THE VIOLATOR AND
03:46:46 THOSE WE HAVE ALREADY FOUND TAKEN INTO THE RECORD.
03:46:49 SO MY SUGGESTION IS A 30-DAY SUSPENSION, BUT FOR 2025, FOR
03:46:58 THE WEEKENDS ONLY, FOR MARCH 15-16, 22ND THROUGH 23rd,
03:47:06 29-30, FOR APRIL 5-6, 12-13, 19-20, 26-27, MAY, 3rd AND
03:47:15 4th, THE 10-11, 17-18, 24-25, APRIL 31-JUNE 1, AND THEN
03:47:24 JUNE 7-8, 14-15 AND 21-22.
03:47:28 BECAUSE TO ME, IF YOU ARE GOING TO WAIT THIS LONG AND JUST
03:47:33 BLAME SOMEONE ELSE FOR IT, YOU HAVE GOT TO PAY SOMEHOW.
03:47:36 AND I THINK TAKING IT ON THE WEEKENDS, BECAUSE WE CAN'T
03:47:40 GUARANTEE THAT THE DJ ISN'T GOING TO CONTINUE.
03:47:43 WE CANNOT GUARANTEE THAT.
03:47:44 IT JUST MAKES A DIFFERENT DJ TO COME OUT.
03:47:48 I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS OWNER HAS TAKEN THIS
03:47:50 SERIOUSLY.
03:47:51 THEY HAVE COME IN FRONT OF US BEFORE.
03:47:52 AND TO ME, THAT IS WHAT I WANT.
03:47:55 I WANT THEM TO HAVE ALL OF THESE WEEKENDS TO NOT HAVE
03:47:59 ALCOHOL.
03:47:59 >>GWEN HENDERSON: I SECOND THAT.
03:48:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER
03:48:05 HENDERSON.
03:48:07 DISCUSSION.
03:48:07 >>GWEN HENDERSON: THE PROBLEM WITH ONLY BEING THE WEEKEND
03:48:10 IS THE CONCERN FOR SPRING BREAK BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHEN IT'S
03:48:13 SPRING BREAK IT'S A FULL WEEK OF YOUNG PEOPLE PARTYING.
03:48:18 AND SO THAT KIND OF CONCERNS ME.
03:48:20 BUT I WOULD RATHER STICK WITH THIS WEEKEND THING BECAUSE
03:48:26 THAT WILL BE VERY HELPFUL.
03:48:29 SECOND, OFFICIALLY.
03:48:30 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OH, MY.
03:48:38 YOU ASKED A QUESTION EARLIER AND I THINK THE ANSWER IS WITH
03:48:40 US.
03:48:42 HOW DO YOU PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING?
03:48:44 I THINK WE HAVE AMBIGUITY.
03:48:46 PART OF THE REASON WE ARE HERE TODAY IS BECAUSE OF
03:48:48 AMBIGUITY.
03:48:49 THERE'S A NOTE ON THE SITE PLAN ABOUT CONCERTS, WHAT IS THE
03:48:52 DEFINITION OF A CONCERT, WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF A SPECIAL
03:48:55 EVENT?
03:48:57 I AM NOT CLEAR THAT IT IS CLEAR, AND I THINK WE NEED TO
03:49:01 CLARIFY THAT.
03:49:01 I THINK WITHOUT THAT CLARIFICATION IT'S DIFFICULT TO HOLD
03:49:04 SOMEBODY ACCOUNTABLE FOR THESE THINGS.
03:49:07 AND I ALSO DON'T NECESSARILY BELIEVE THAT IT'S OUR JOB TO BE
03:49:16 ABOVE PUNITIVE, WHICH I THINK THE ACTIONS THAT WE ARE DOING
03:49:26 NONCONSECUTIVE DAYS, WHICH I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S IN
03:49:29 ORDER, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S PRECEDENT FOR IT.
03:49:32 LEGAL COUNSEL, IS THERE PRECEDENT FOR NONCONSECUTIVE DAYS?
03:49:40 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
03:49:41 I DON'T KNOW THAT COUNCIL HAS DONE THE SUSPENSION IN THAT
03:49:46 WAY, BUT THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CODE TO PREVENT YOU FROM
03:49:49 DOING THAT.
03:49:50 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THERE'S ALSO IMPACT NOT ONLY ON THE
03:49:55 BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, A VIABLE BUSINESS THAT'S PROVIDING
03:49:58 ECONOMIC PART OF OUR ECONOMY.
03:50:01 YOU HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT WORK THERE.
03:50:03 AND I KNOW I SAID IN THE PAST YOU HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT IT'S
03:50:07 DEPENDENT ON THEIR SALARY AND THEIR INCOME.
03:50:09 THIS IMPACTS THEM AS WELL.
03:50:12 SO I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER -- I THINK ONE OF THE
03:50:15 THINGS -- AND MR. SHELBY HIGHLIGHTED -- WITHIN OUR CODE THAT
03:50:20 WE SHALL CONSIDER THE GRAVITY OF THE VIOLATION, AND ANY
03:50:23 ACTION TAKEN BY THE VIOLATOR TO CORRECT THE VIOLATION.
03:50:28 THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS NOT THE CONCERT PROMOTER
03:50:33 WHICH CREATED THE NUISANCE, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY CAME
03:50:36 IN AND NOTIFIED US AND SAID THEY HAVE ALREADY TAKEN ACTION
03:50:40 AND TERMINATED THEIR AGREEMENT WITH THE PROMOTER.
03:50:43 SO I THINK THAT'S A BIG OUTREACH.
03:50:45 AND I WOULD THINK THE NEIGHBORS -- I MEAN, DO YOU WANT A
03:50:49 POUND OF FLESH OR DO YOU WANT A SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM?
03:50:52 I MEAN, A POUND OF FLESH OR SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM?
03:50:57 I THINK WE SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR IS A SOLUTION TO THE
03:50:59 PROBLEM.
03:50:59 I THINK WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TODAY IS A SOLUTION TO A
03:51:02 PROBLEM.
03:51:03 AND CAN WE DO SOMETHING?
03:51:06 YES.
03:51:06 I THINK THE APPLICANT EVEN GAVE US OPTIONS THAT WERE
03:51:11 REASONABLE, YES, THAT'S A PENALTY, 15 DAYS, ONLY TO KEEP THE
03:51:20 RESTAURANT GOING AND IT'S A HOTEL, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU
03:51:23 CAN OPERATE A HOTEL.
03:51:25 THINK ABOUT ALL THE MAIDS.
03:51:27 THESE PEOPLE ARE ALL MAKING LOW WAGES AND THEY ARE WORKING
03:51:30 HERE, THEY HAVE TO FUNCTION AS A HOTEL.
03:51:32 AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN OPERATE A HOTEL WITHOUT HAVING
03:51:35 A LICENSE.
03:51:36 SO WE SHALL CONSIDER A VIOLATION AND ALSO ANY CORRECTIVE
03:51:38 ACTIONS.
03:51:41 YES, THEY CAME BEFORE US TODAY AND SAID THEY ARE WILLING TO
03:51:43 TERMINATE THIS CONTRACT, THIS AGREEMENT THEY HAD WITH THE
03:51:48 PROMOTER, AND I THINK WE CAN CLEAN IT UP FOR FUTURE, DEFINE
03:51:52 WHAT A SPECIAL EVENT IS AND DEFINE WHAT A CONCERT IS.
03:51:56 AND I THINK THAT'S IN OUR PURVIEW FOR FUTURE REFERENCE SO WE
03:52:00 DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM AGAIN.
03:52:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMEMBER HURTAK.
03:52:07 >>GWEN HENDERSON: I KINDLY RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH YOU.
03:52:13 I THINK THE HOTEL CAN OPERATE WITHOUT SOMEBODY HAVING A
03:52:13 DRINK. I DO IT ALL THE TIME. I DON'T THINK THAT THEIR SIDE
03:52:17 GETS TO DECIDE WHAT THE PUNISHMENT SHOULD BE AND IT SHOULD
03:52:20 FIT WITHIN PARAMETERS OF PHYSICALLY CONVENIENT FOR THEM.
03:52:25 WE KIND OF GOT INTO THAT THE LAST TIME IN TERMS OF FOCUSING
03:52:28 ON THE LIVELIHOOD RATHER THAN THE INFRACTION.
03:52:31 AND SO THE HOTEL, WHAT IS A FACT IS THAT THE HOTEL CAN STILL
03:52:37 RUN WITHOUT ALCOHOL BEING SERVED.
03:52:40 AND THAT IS WHAT IS BEING PENALIZED RIGHT NOW, NOT
03:52:52 NECESSARILY THE HOTEL.
03:52:53 SO I DON'T WANT US TO BLAME IT OWN THAT AND WE SHOULDN'T
03:52:56 HAVE TO RELY ON THAT TO BE A DECISION.
03:52:59 AND I DO AGREE THAT IT SHOULD BE THE WEEKENDS, BECAUSE,
03:53:02 AGAIN, THE INFRACTORS SHOULD NOT DECIDE WHAT THE PUNISHMENT
03:53:08 SHOULD BE WHEN THEY CLEARLY COMMITTED, I MEAN ADMITTED TO
03:53:12 THE FACT THAT THEY ARE NOT ARGUING WITH ALL OF THE POINTS
03:53:15 THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.
03:53:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. CARLSON, MS. HURTAK.
03:53:22 >> POINT OF ORDER.
03:53:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY: DO YOU HAVE AN OBJECTION TO BE MADE FOR
03:53:34 THE RECORD?
03:53:36 >> I DO.
03:53:37 >>LYNN HURTAK: WE CLOSED THE HEARING.
03:53:39 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT MAY BE TRUE, BUT SHE IS REQUIRED TO
03:53:42 MAKE AN OBJECTION FOR THE RECORD.
03:53:43 THAT'S HER PREROGATIVE, AND HER DUTY, FRANKLY.
03:53:46 >>ELISE BATSEL: I HAVE AN OBJECTION FOR THE RECORD WITH
03:53:48 RESPECT TO THE WEEKEND UNDER RINKER MATERIALS CORP VS CITY
03:53:51 OF NORTH MIAMI 286 SOUTHERN 2ND 552 WHICH WAS DETERMINED BY
03:53:56 THE FLORIDA SUPREME COURT IN 1963 THAT SAID YOUR LAND
03:54:00 DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS THAT YOU ARE CONSIDERING TONIGHT ARE
03:54:04 IN DEROGATION OF PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS AND IF THERE'S ANY
03:54:08 TYPE OF AMBIGUITY ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN OR CANNOT DO, THAT
03:54:13 DECISION MUST RESULT IN THE LAND OWNER'S FAVOR, SO THEREFORE
03:54:16 I DO BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE ACTING WITHOUT THE SCOPE OF YOUR
03:54:19 AUTHORITY UNDER THAT CASE.
03:54:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WOULD YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE A COPY OF THE
03:54:24 RECORD?
03:54:25 >>ELISE BATSEL: I DON'T.
03:54:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
03:54:28 MR. CARLSON, MS. HURTAK.
03:54:30 >>BILL CARLSON: I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER CLENDENIN.
03:54:37 30 DAYS, I DON'T KNOW A BUSINESS OF THIS OPERATION, BUT THEY
03:54:40 HAVE ALREADY, PER B, THEY HAVE ALREADY SHUT DOWN THIS
03:54:47 PARTICULAR PROMOTER.
03:54:48 HOPEFULLY THEY WILL CONTINUE NOT HAVING THE LOUD OUTDOOR
03:54:52 CONCERTS.
03:54:52 THAT'S THE MAIN THING THAT EVERYBODY WANTED.
03:54:54 THERE'S A LONGER TERM ISSUE AND SOLUTION THAT HOPEFULLY MS.
03:54:59 BATSEL WILL HELP THEM WITH TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING IN
03:55:03 THE FUTURE.
03:55:06 THEY DO MEET THE GRAVITY TEST, BASED ON THE TESTIMONY FROM
03:55:10 THE CITIZENS.
03:55:13 IT WAS PRETTY EGREGIOUS, AND THE ATTITUDES AT LEAST AS
03:55:16 PRESENTED WERE NOT GOOD.
03:55:20 AND WE HAD EVIDENCE OF PREVIOUS VIOLATION, WHICH WE HEARD
03:55:24 BEFORE.
03:55:24 BUT WE CAN SEE NOW, AT LEAST AS OF TODAY, THAT THE OWNER IS
03:55:28 TRYING TO CORRECT THE SITUATION.
03:55:29 30 DAYS, WE HAVE A CHOICE BETWEEN, I THINK, ZERO AND 30
03:55:33 DAYS.
03:55:33 WE DID HAVE A CASE LIKE THIS A FEW MONTHS AGO.
03:55:36 BUT FOR ANY KIND OF ESTABLISHMENT, LOSING THEIR LIQUOR
03:55:40 LICENSE EVEN FOR A FEW DAYS IS A VERY EXPENSIVE THING.
03:55:44 LOSING IT FOR 30 DAYS IS VERY EXPENSIVE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT
03:55:48 THEIR BUSINESS MODEL IS, WHETHER THEY HAVE MORE BUSINESS ON
03:55:50 THE WEEKDAYS OR WEEKENDS.
03:55:53 IF THEY ARE MOSTLY A BUSINESS CROWD THAT COMES IN THEN THEY
03:55:56 MAY BE HAPPY THAT WE ARE TAKING AWAY WEEKENDS.
03:55:58 WE DON'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THEIR BUSINESS.
03:56:01 I WOULD SAY FOR SIMPLICITY SAKE AND FOR CONSISTENCY WE
03:56:05 SHOULD GIVE THEM A SET AMOUNT LIKE 30 DAYS.
03:56:08 BUT THE OTHER THING HERE, I KNOW IT'S A LONG PROCESS, AND
03:56:11 THE COMMUNITY UNFORTUNATELY HAD TO GO THROUGH A LOT OF
03:56:14 TURMOIL BECAUSE OF THIS, BUT WE ARE ONE QUARTER OF THE WAY
03:56:18 OF HAVING THEIR LIQUOR LICENSE REVOKED COMPLETELY.
03:56:21 SO IF THIS HAPPENS THREE MORE TIMES, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP,
03:56:26 THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS IS NOT JUST WHETHER IT'S 15 OR 30
03:56:29 DAYS OR WHATEVER IT IS, THIS IS THE FIRST OF FOUR STEPS
03:56:32 WHERE THEY CAN HAVE IT REVOKED COMPLETELY.
03:56:34 AND MOST PEOPLE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.
03:56:36 AND IN THE OTHER CASES WITHOUT MENTIONING NAMES, WE CAN SEE
03:56:39 GREAT CHANGES IN THE WAY BUSINESSES BEHAVE, AND COLLABORATED
03:56:44 WITH THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS AFTER SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS.
03:56:47 SO HOPEFULLY, WITH A BASIC KIND OF PENALTY, THEY WILL DO
03:56:55 THAT.
03:56:56 IF THE PROPOSAL IS TO GO WITH WEEKENDS I AM GOING TO VOTE
03:56:59 AGAINST IT.
03:57:00 I WILL VOTE FOR 30 DAYS OR LESS CONSECUTIVELY.
03:57:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMEMBER HURTAK.
03:57:04 >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
03:57:06 I DISAGREE WITH THE TWO GENTLEMEN THAT SIT NEXT TO ME.
03:57:09 THE OWNERS HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THESE ISSUES.
03:57:12 THIS HAS BEEN THREE YEARS OF NEIGHBORHOOD COMPLAINTS, YEARS.
03:57:16 AND THIS IS THE BIGGEST TELL OF ALL TO ME.
03:57:20 THEY GOT THIS NOTICE ON MAY 31st.
03:57:23 WHEN DID THEY DECIDE TO SEVER THE RELATIONSHIP?
03:57:27 YESTERDAY.
03:57:27 IT'S BEEN THREE AND A HALF MONTHS.
03:57:30 SO THEY LET THE CONCERT PROMOTER FINISH THEIR SEASON INSTEAD
03:57:34 OF ABSOLUTELY CUTTING IT OFF WHEN THEY GOT THE NOTICE.
03:57:37 AND THAT'S THE BIG THING TO ME.
03:57:39 TO ME, THAT'S THE EGREGIOUSNESS.
03:57:43 IT'S NOT, OH, YEAH, WE ARE GOING TO CANCEL THE AGREEMENT
03:57:48 WITH THE PROMOTER.
03:57:49 YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT ON MAY 31st.
03:57:52 IF YOU WERE REALLY SERIOUS ABOUT STOPPING THIS, THAT'S WHEN
03:57:55 YOU WOULD HAVE DONE IT.
03:57:56 INSTEAD YOU WAIT TILL YESTERDAY.
03:57:58 BECAUSE THEY ALREADY GOT A 30-DAY EXTENSION ON THIS.
03:58:02 THEY CAME TO US AND SAID, OH, OUR OWNER WON'T BE AVAILABLE.
03:58:06 SO WE WERE NICE ENOUGH TO MOVE IT.
03:58:08 IF WE HAD KNOWN AT THE TIME THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE MOVING
03:58:11 TILL AFTER THEIR CONCERT TIME, THEN I MIGHT HAVE CHANGED MY
03:58:14 VOTE.
03:58:14 BUT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
03:58:15 SO TO ME THAT IS THE EGREGIOUS PART OF IT, AND IF YOU DON'T
03:58:21 WANT TO -- IF THIS DOESN'T GO THROUGH, MY OTHER
03:58:25 RECOMMENDATION WOULD DO THE MONTH OF SPRING BREAK, WHICH
03:58:29 WOULD BE MARCH.
03:58:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMEMBER CLENDENIN.
03:58:32 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES, IT'S NOT JUST ENOUGH TO FIX THE
03:58:38 PROBLEM BUT WE HAVE TO BE EXTRA, EXTRA PUNITIVE IN THIS.
03:58:42 I THINK WHAT I WOULD SAY WE DIDN'T HAVE EVIDENCE THAT SAID
03:58:48 WHAT KNOWLEDGE THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY HAD WAS NEVER
03:58:50 PRESENTED AS EVIDENCE, COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE TO
03:58:55 US, AS FROM WHAT DEGREE OF KNOWLEDGE THEY HAD ABOUT THINGS
03:58:58 HAPPENING.
03:58:59 CLEARLY, IF THE PROMOTER WAS STANDING BEFORE US, WE WOULD
03:59:03 HAVE A DIFFERENT ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
03:59:05 BUT AS FAR AS THE PROPERTY OWNER WITH THE --
03:59:08 >>LYNN HURTAK: AT LEAST GET THE ANSWER.
03:59:10 I ASKED MRS. JOHNSON-VELEZ AND SHE SAID PROPERTY OWNERS
03:59:14 RECEIVE NOTIFICATIONS.
03:59:15 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AGAIN, WE DID NOT HAVE COMPETENT,
03:59:21 SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE OF WHAT THE OWNER ACTUALLY KNEW, HOW
03:59:25 MANY VIOLATIONS, I MEAN ALL OF THE DETAILS OF ALL OF THIS.
03:59:28 I DIDN'T HEAR IT IN MY LISTENING TO THE TESTIMONY.
03:59:31 I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THIS AGAIN.
03:59:33 I THINK COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID THIS IS SOMETHING THAT
03:59:37 OWNERS DON'T WANT.
03:59:37 THEY DON'T WANT THE FIRST STRIKE ON THE RECORD, BECAUSE
03:59:40 THREE MORE AND THEY ARE DONE.
03:59:41 SO WE DON'T DO THIS VERY OFTEN, BY THE WAY.
03:59:45 I MEAN, THIS IS A VERY RARE OCCURRENCE FOR COUNCIL TO GO
03:59:49 THIS FAR ON LIQUOR LICENSES.
03:59:50 I THINK PROVIDING ANYTHING, EVEN IF IT'S ONE DAY, IF IT'S
03:59:53 TEN DAYS, 15, OR EVEN UP TO 30 DAYS, ANY ONE OF THOSE, IT'S
04:00:02 AN EQUAL PART BECAUSE THE FIRST STEP OF A FOUR-PART PROCESS.
04:00:07 SO I THINK BECAUSE, AGAIN, THE OWNERS CAME IN TODAY AND TOOK
04:00:11 PROOF POSITIVE STEPS THAT WOULD RECTIFY THE SITUATION AND
04:00:15 MAKE THE SITUATION BETTER, I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE AN IOU TO
04:00:21 TIGHTEN UP WHAT OUR DEFINITION OF A CONCERT IS.
04:00:24 THE NEIGHBORS TALKED ABOUT CONCERT.
04:00:25 I THINK IT'S STILL UP IN THE AIR ABOUT WHAT A CONCERT IS,
04:00:29 AND WHAT DOES A DJ -- IS A DJ CONCERT? I THINK THAT'S
04:00:34 SUBJECT TO DISCUSSION.
04:00:36 SPECIAL EVENTS, AGAIN I THINK WE NEED TO TIGHTEN THESE
04:00:39 DEFINITIONS UP SO WE HAVE CLEAR UNDERSTANDING.
04:00:41 BUT IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE SHALL CONSIDER, THE GRAVITY OF
04:00:45 THE VIOLATION, ACTIONS TAKEN TO CORRECT THE VIOLATION,
04:00:48 PREVIOUS VIOLATION, THE ONE NOISE COMPLAINT FOR SURE, 100%,
04:00:52 I AGREE WITH IT.
04:00:54 THAT'S WHY I WOULD VOTE ON THE FIRST TWO VIOLATIONS.
04:00:58 BUT I THINK OFFERING A 15-DAY SUSPENSION EFFECTIVE WITHIN
04:01:05 THE NEXT 30 DAYS I THINK WOULD BE ADEQUATE AS A FIRST STEP
04:01:09 TOWARDS THE FOUR-STEP PROCESS.
04:01:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMEMBER VIERA.
04:01:12 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
04:01:14 SO THE ISSUE OF WHETHER OR NOT THE PROPERTY OWNER GOT THE
04:01:17 NOTICE TO ME IS NOT QUITE AS RELEVANT AS THE FACT THAT THE
04:01:21 PROPERTY OWNER IS OBVIOUSLY -- I WANT TO USE THE WORD SAVVY,
04:01:26 SOPHISTICATED.
04:01:27 IN OTHER WORDS, THEY ARE EQUIPPED WITH SUFFICIENT KNOWLEDGE
04:01:30 AND EXPERIENCE SUCH AS THEY HAVE KNOWN OR SHOULD HAVE FLOWN
04:01:33 THAT SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE IS HERE, THAT THE GENTLEMAN
04:01:38 SEEMS LIKE A FINE GENTLEMAN CAME DOWN HERE FROM ILLINOIS,
04:01:41 LAND OF LINCOLN AND OBTAINED ONE OF THE BEST LAW FIRMS IN
04:01:44 TAMPA SO OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE SAVVY, SOPHISTICATED, ET CETERA.
04:01:49 GOING ON WEEKENDS I THINK IS A BRIDGE TOO FAR.
04:01:52 I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING THERE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A
04:01:55 PENALTY THAT IS MORE THAN SOMETHING CURSORY.
04:01:58 I AM CLOSER TO 30 DAYS THAN I AM.
04:02:01 I AM FINE WITH PUSHING IT SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE.
04:02:03 BUT PUSHING WILL TOWARDS WEEKENDS I THINK IS A LITTLE
04:02:08 WORD -- THE WORD PUNITIVE HAS BEEN USED.
04:02:10 I THINK THAT'S OVERLY PUNITIVE.
04:02:13 BUTT I AM FOR SOMETHING HARSHER THAN 15 DAYS AND SOMETHING
04:02:17 PUSHED INTO THE FUTURE I AM FINE WITH THAT.
04:02:19 THIS PROPERTY OWNER, WHETHER OR NOT THEY KNEW ABOUT THIS,
04:02:22 THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT AND AGAIN THEY HAVE GREAT
04:02:25 LAWYERS, OBVIOUSLY SOPHISTICATED, ET CETERA.
04:02:27 YOU DO BUSINESS ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY LIKE THIS AND SITUATED
04:02:31 IN THIS PART, YOU ARE EQUIPPED WITH CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE,
04:02:34 WHETHER OR NOT YOU CHOOSE TO -- YOU ARE EQUIPPED WITH
04:02:38 CERTAIN DUTIES, I WOULD SUGGEST.
04:02:40 BUT AGAIN, SOMETHING ON THE WEEKENDS FOR ME, I JUST THINK I
04:02:45 HATE TO USE THE WORD PUNITIVE BUT A LITTLE TOO MUCH.
04:02:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
04:02:50 >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
04:02:53 SO DID WE GO TO JUST THE 30 DAYS OF MARCH THEN, WE REMOVE
04:02:59 THE CAUSE OF ACTION?
04:03:00 WOULD WE AVOID THAT, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE CONSECUTIVE.
04:03:07 SO WE COULD AMEND IT TO JUST THE 30 DAYS IN MARCH.
04:03:11 >>LYNN HURTAK: I --
04:03:15 >>> LET HER FINISH.
04:03:17 PLEASE FINISH.
04:03:17 >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, CHAIR.
04:03:20 AND THE OTHER THING ABOUT IT, TOO, THIS IS OUR THIRD TIME
04:03:24 DEALING WITH A LIQUOR LICENSE SITUATION.
04:03:27 SO THE THING THAT KIND OF CONCERNS ME -- AND I DON'T EVEN
04:03:31 KNOW IF THIS SHOULD BE APPLIED, BUT WHEN YOU WENT TO EAST
04:03:36 TAMPA --
04:03:39 >>> DO NOT INTERRUPT.
04:03:40 >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ECONOMICS, AND
04:03:43 FINANCIAL LOSS TO THESE LARGER BUSINESSES, OR IS IT
04:03:48 SOPHISTICATED HAPPY LAWYER BUSINESSES, AND I DON'T WANT THAT
04:03:51 TO BE A FACTOR, AND LET'S JUST STICK WITH WHAT'S ALREADY
04:03:56 BEEN ADMITTED.
04:03:57 BUT I WANT TO GET TO 4.
04:03:59 AND IF WE GET TO 4 VOTES, IT SOUND LIKE WE CAN GET THERE
04:04:03 WITH 30 DAYS CONSISTENT.
04:04:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: SO WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH --
04:04:08 >>GWEN HENDERSON: LIKE AMEND IT OR SOMETHING.
04:04:11 SUBSTITUTE MOTION?
04:04:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY QUESTION IS, YOU ARE THE SECONDER?
04:04:16 >>GWEN HENDERSON: I AM THE SECONDER OF THE MOTION.
04:04:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IN OTHER WORDS, A MOTION REQUIRES A MOTION
04:04:21 AND A SECOND.
04:04:24 YOU SECONDED HER MOTION.
04:04:25 >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES, I DID.
04:04:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU WITH DRAW YOUR SECOND?
04:04:29 >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
04:04:30 AND THEN SUBSTITUTE?
04:04:32 OR NO?
04:04:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE MOTION WOULD DIE AND THERE WOULD
04:04:36 HAVE TO BE A NEW MOTION.
04:04:37 >>GWEN HENDERSON: OKAY.
04:04:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
04:04:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HOW DID THAT $31,500, 1, 2, 3, GO TO THE
04:04:52 COURT?
04:04:52 IT WAS EARNED BY WHAT?
04:04:54 BY HAVING A VIOLATION?
04:04:56 ON THE WEEKENDS.
04:04:58 SO I AM NOT OPPOSED TO HAVING IT ON THE WEEKENDS.
04:05:01 THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
04:05:02 THAT'S WHAT HISTORY TELLS ME.
04:05:03 AND YOU CAN VOTE ANYWAY YOU WANT.
04:05:06 I DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE A VOTE, BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
04:05:09 SOMETHING THAT AIN'T GOING NOWHERE.
04:05:13 HOW DOES IT HAPPEN?
04:05:15 IT HAPPENS THROUGHOUT -- THERE HAD TO BE SOMEBODY THERE
04:05:19 GIVING A TICKET ON A CERTAIN DAY AT A CERTAIN TIME.
04:05:23 THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
04:05:25 THANK YOU.
04:05:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:05:27 DOES YOUR SECOND STILL STAND?
04:05:28 >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
04:05:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMEMBER
04:05:31 HURTAK, SECOND FROM COUNCILMEMBER HENDERSON.
04:05:34 ROLL CALL VOTE.
04:05:35 >>GWEN HENDERSON: OF COURSE.
04:05:41 >>LUIS VIERA: NO.
04:05:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
04:05:43 >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
04:05:45 >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
04:05:47 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO.
04:05:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
04:05:50 >>THE CLERK: MOTION FAILED WITH VIERA, CARLSON, CLENDENIN
04:05:53 AND MANISCALCO VOTING NO.
04:05:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO BEFORE A MOTION GETS PUT UP, IT WAS
04:05:58 MENTIONED ABOUT SPRING BREAK, 30 DAYS CONSECUTIVELY IS
04:06:01 SOMETHING THAT I WOULD SUPPORT.
04:06:04 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MAKE A MOTION.
04:06:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMEMBER HURTAK.
04:06:12 >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM MAKING A MOTION TO THEN DO THE 30 DAYS
04:06:15 FROM MARCH 1st THROUGH MARCH 30 OF 2025.
04:06:19 I'M SORRY, MARCH 31st.
04:06:24 NO, YOU ARE RIGHT.
04:06:25 30 DAYS.
04:06:27 1st THROUGH THE 30th, 2025.
04:06:31 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: JUST FOR CLARITY, COULD WE SAY
04:06:34 MIDNIGHT?
04:06:37 >>LYNN HURTAK: TO MIDNIGHT ON MARCH -- ACTUALLY, CAN I
04:06:41 BORROW SOMEBODY'S -- I NEED A CALENDAR.
04:06:45 THANK YOU.
04:06:46 SO I AM GOING TO SAY MARCH, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A PHONE UP
04:06:49 HERE.
04:06:49 I'M THE ONLY ONE.
04:06:55 MARCH 1st THROUGH MARCH 30th, 2025.
04:07:01 AT MIDNIGHT ON -- SO IT WOULD BE MIDNIGHT, MARCH 1st,
04:07:08 WHICH WOULD BE THE FIRST MINUTE OF MARCH 1st, RIGHT?
04:07:14 YES.
04:07:14 SO 12 A.M. MARCH 1st, MIDNIGHT, 2025, TO 11.59 P.M.
04:07:26 MARCH 30th, 2025.
04:07:29 >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECOND.
04:07:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMEMBER CLENDENIN.
04:07:33 >>LYNN HURTAK: AND MY RATIONALE IS BECAUSE THAT IS WHEN THE
04:07:37 CONCERT HAS BEGUN FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS.
04:07:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN, THEN CARLSON.
04:07:45 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ACTUALLY, I HAD A HARD TIME THE LAST
04:07:52 TIME.
04:07:53 WHAT IS THE PURPOSE -- YOU HAVE TO ONLY HAVE THE EVIDENCE,
04:07:59 WHAT DOES THAT PRODUCE?
04:08:01 BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WITHIN -- THAT'S NOT WITHIN THE CONFINES
04:08:05 OF WHAT IS HIGHLIGHTED IN CODE AND LAW.
04:08:08 AND YOU ARE TAKING A LEAP IN SAYING YOU ARE GUESSING THAT'S
04:08:14 GOING TO BE THE WORST TIME, IS GOING TO COST THEM THE MOST
04:08:18 AMOUNT OF MONEY.
04:08:19 BUT AGAIN THAT'S NOT IN EVIDENCE EITHER.
04:08:22 BUT THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT THEY
04:08:31 ARE GOING TO -- THEY DISCONTINUED THE USE OF THAT PROMOTER.
04:08:37 IN EVIDENCE, THEY HAVE SAID THAT THEY WOULD NOW, IF THEY ARE
04:08:41 GOING TO HAVE IT, THEY WOULD APPLY FOR SPECIAL EVENT
04:08:44 PERMITS, SO THEY ARE GOING TO GO AND CHECK OUT ALL THE
04:08:47 RESPONSES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN DONE IN THE PAST, SO THAT WAS IN
04:08:52 EVIDENCE, SOMETHING THAT IS IN TESTIMONY, THEY SAID THEY
04:08:57 WOULD DO THESE THINGS.
04:08:58 SO I DON'T NOT, IT JUST SEEMS VERY ARBITRARY TO ME TO REACH
04:09:08 THAT FAR INTO THE FUTURE TO IMPOSE A PENALTY.
04:09:11 AND I AM OF THE FEELING, AGAIN, THIS IS A BUSINESS OF A
04:09:16 HOTEL, WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE WORKING IN IT, AND CAN WE
04:09:19 ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING, AGAIN THE PROBLEM IS OUTDOOR
04:09:23 MUSIC, CAN WE DO THE SAME THING WITH WHAT THEY HAVE
04:09:27 PRESENTED AND SAY RESTRICT ALCOHOL SALES TO INSIDE, WHICH IS
04:09:30 CLEARLY FINE.
04:09:32 I THINK MY FOUR-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER COULD TELL YOU WHAT INSIDE
04:09:36 AND OUTSIDE IS.
04:09:37 AND STILL ALLOW THEM TO FUNCTION AS A HOTEL WITH ALL OF THE
04:09:41 BENEFITS AND SERVICES OF THAT AND RESTRICT THE PROFIT AND
04:09:45 WHAT THEY WOULD MAKE WITH OUTSIDE LIQUOR CONSUMPTION.
04:09:49 >>BILL CARLSON: PART OF WHAT YOU SAID WAS EXACTLY WHAT I
04:09:52 WAS GOING TO SAY.
04:09:53 I THINK THE BEST DATE FOR THE RESIDENT IN THE FUTURE IS THIS
04:10:00 HOTEL FIGURES OUT A WAY TO OPERATE AND BE PROFITABLE AS A
04:10:03 HOTEL RESORT WITHOUT CONCERTS OUTSIDE.
04:10:06 IF WE LIMITED THE PENALTY TO JUST THE OUTDOOR AREAS, THAT
04:10:13 WOULD GIVE THEM 30 DAYS OR WHATEVER TO EXPERIMENT WITH A
04:10:17 BUSINESS MODEL THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE OUTDOOR AREAS AND
04:10:20 HOPEFULLY THEY WOULD FIND THAT'S A GREAT BUSINESS MODEL FOR
04:10:22 THEM AND THEY WON'T NEED CONCERTS ANYMORE AND WE WON'T HAVE
04:10:25 TO BE BACK HERE AGAIN.
04:10:26 IT SEEMS TO ME IT WOULD BE A LOT MORE EFFECTIVE TO JUST DO
04:10:30 IT OUTDOORS.
04:10:31 >>LUIS VIERA: I WAS GOING TO -- IT'S WANT TO MAKE SURE
04:10:34 BEFORE I WAS GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION SO THAT WE CAN VOTE
04:10:36 ON IT.
04:10:38 IF NO ONE ELSE HAS TO SAY ANYTHING THEN I WILL CALL THE
04:10:41 QUESTION ON IT.
04:10:44 AFTER THAT I AM GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION.
04:10:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHAT DOES A PROMOTER MEAN?
04:10:49 ANYBODY CAN BE A PROMOTER.
04:10:53 THEY CAN GET ANOTHER NAME, I AM NOT SAYING THEY ARE, DON'T
04:10:56 GET ME WRONG, IF YOU CAN GET A PROMOTER AND SAY NO, I USED
04:11:01 TO HAVE IT BUT I CHANGED THE NAME AND NOW IT'S ABC INSTEAD
04:11:05 OF CBS PROMOTION.
04:11:08 I AM JUST SAYING AS AN EXAMPLE OF LAW.
04:11:10 THERE IS NOTHING THAT I KNOW THAT IDENTIFIES A PROMOTER.
04:11:13 IT'S JUST A NAME.
04:11:15 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND
04:11:19 THE MOTION TO INCLUDE ONLY OUTDOOR AREAS.
04:11:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILMEMBER CARLSON.
04:11:29 COUNCILMEMBER CLENDENIN HAS A MOTION.
04:11:32 MR. SHELBY.
04:11:33 >>MARTIN SHELBY: DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION?
04:11:36 >>LYNN HURTAK: MR. VIERA HAD SAID HE WAS GOING TO CALL THE
04:11:39 QUESTION AFTER HIS COMMENT.
04:11:41 >>LUIS VIERA: LET ME, IF I MAY, I AM GOING TO GO AHEAD AND
04:11:47 CALL THE QUESTION.
04:11:48 IF THIS FAILS --
04:11:50 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: POINT OF ORDER, WE HAVE A MOTION AND
04:11:53 SECOND ON THE FLOOR, THE CHAIR SHOULD CALL FOR A VOTE ON
04:11:55 THAT AMENDMENT.
04:11:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THE CHAIR VIEWS
04:12:03 MR. VIERA'S STATEMENT AS CALLING THE QUESTION.
04:12:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD ACCEPT WHAT COUNCILMAN VIERA
04:12:11 SAID.
04:12:11 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS THERE A SECOND TO CALL THE QUESTION?
04:12:16 >> SECOND.
04:12:18 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU RELINGUISH THE FLOOR FOR SUBSEQUENT
04:12:22 DISCUSSION, AND THEN I AMENDED THE MOTION WHICH WOULD BE IN
04:12:25 ORDER, THAT MOTION WAS SECONDED.
04:12:27 >>LUIS VIERA: I'LL CALL THE QUESTION ON COUNCILMAN
04:12:34 CLENDENIN'S AMENDMENT.
04:12:35 I DON'T PLAN ON VOTING FOR IT BUT I JUST WANT TO MOVE THIS
04:12:38 THING FORWARD.
04:12:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY, I WILL ACCEPT THAT.
04:12:41 I WILL TAKE COUNCILMEMBER CLEAN'S MOTION WITHIN THE SECOND.
04:12:46 THIS IS TO RESTRICT IT TO OUTDOOR ONLY.
04:12:54 ROLL CALL VOTE.
04:12:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
04:12:57 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
04:12:58 >>LYNN HURTAK: NO.
04:12:59 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES.
04:13:00 >>GWEN HENDERSON: NO.
04:13:01 >>LUIS VIERA: NO.
04:13:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
04:13:05 >>THE CLERK: MOTION FAILED WITH MIRANDA, HURTAK, HENDERSON,
04:13:08 VIERA VOTING NO.
04:13:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE NOW GO IMPACT TO COUNCILMEMBER
04:13:12 HURTAK'S SECOND MOTION.
04:13:14 WE CALL THE QUESTION.
04:13:19 COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAS A MOTION.
04:13:21 THERE'S A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER HENDERSON.
04:13:23 ROLL CALL.
04:13:24 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
04:13:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
04:13:27 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
04:13:28 >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
04:13:30 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES.
04:13:30 >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
04:13:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
04:13:32 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
04:13:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:13:37 WOULD ANYBODY LIKE A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS?
04:13:40 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:13:42 (RECESS)
04:13:44
04:23:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BEFORE WE START WITH ITEM 66, THERE'S A
04:25:30 LOT OF BACK AND FORTH CHATTER ACROSS THE DAIS THAT'S VERY
04:25:36 DISTRACTING.
04:25:37 OUT OF RESPECT FOR EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE AND UP HERE IF
04:25:40 WE COULD JUST LIMIT ALL OF THAT SO WE CAN STAY FOCUSED.
04:25:43 ITEM 66.
04:25:44 >> EMMA GREGORY, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY. THIS IS WHAT
04:25:50 PROPOSED FIRST READING FOR AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CERTAIN
04:25:54 SECTIONS OF CHAPTER 22 DEALING WITH STREETS AND SIDEWALKS.
04:25:58 THESE DEAL WITH PROPOSED CHANGES ARE THE PERMITTING FOR
04:26:09 APPLICANT, AND ALSO BRINGS OUR REQUIREMENTS LIKE THE ACTUAL
04:26:12 TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS FOR BENCHES INTO COMPLIANCE, AND INTO
04:26:18 COMPLIANCE WITH THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY, GUIDELINES WHICH
04:26:21 ARE UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF THE ADA.
04:26:24 SO WE ARE JUST ASKING FOR APPROVAL OF FIRST READING.
04:26:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL
04:26:29 MEMBERS?
04:26:31 COUNCILMEMBER MEMBER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ ITEM 66?
04:26:36 >>LUIS VIERA: ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
04:26:38 CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA
04:26:41 MAKING REVISIONS TO CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES,
04:26:44 CHAPTER 22, STREETS AND SIDEWALKS, ARTICLE 1, ADMINISTRATIVE
04:26:48 PROVISIONS, AMENDING SECTIONS 22-116 THROUGH 22-121 AND
04:26:54 SECTIONS 22-123 THROUGH 22-128 AND SECTIONS 22-132 THROUGH
04:27:01 22-133 PLOYING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF
04:27:06 ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY
04:27:09 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
04:27:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILMEMBER CLENDENIN.
04:27:14 ALL IN FAVOR?
04:27:15 ANY OPPOSED?
04:27:17 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH HURTAK AND
04:27:20 HENDERSON ABSENT AT VOTE.
04:27:22 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE OCTOBER 17th 2024 AT
04:27:25 10 A.M. IN TAMPA CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS 315 EAST KENNEDY
04:27:30 BOULEVARD, 3RD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA 33602.
04:27:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:27:36 ITEM NUMBER 67.
04:27:40 ADMISSION UPDATE. THAT WILL BE 72.
04:27:45 WHAT IS THE CITY DOING REGARDING THE CIT?
04:27:48 I SEE ANDREA ZELMAN AND MR. ADAMS IN THE BACKGROUND.
04:27:52 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: WE WILL BOTH SPEAK.
04:27:55 ANDREA ZELMAN, CITY ATTORNEY.
04:27:57 I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN WHAT THE LEGAL PARAMETERS ARE THAT
04:28:02 GOVERN WHAT THE CITY CAN DO AND THEN ADAM WILL TALK ABOUT
04:28:06 WHAT THE CITY IS DOING, AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR WITH REGARD
04:28:10 TO THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX.
04:28:12 I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WE DON'T KNOW AND WE CANNOT SPEAK TO
04:28:17 WHAT OTHERS OUTSIDE THE CITY MAY BE DOING.
04:28:20 WE CAN ONLY SPEAK TO WHAT THE CITY CAN DO AND IS DOING.
04:28:25 SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR THAT THERE IS A FLORIDA
04:28:28 STATUTE 106.113 THAT GOVERNS WHAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CAN
04:28:35 SPEND CITY FUNDS ON WITH REGARD TO ELECTIONS.
04:28:40 AND IT DOES LIMIT WHAT THE CITY CAN SPEND MONEY ON.
04:28:45 AND ONE OF THE RECENT CHANGES, RECENT IN THE LAST FEW YEARS,
04:28:49 IS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CITY GOVERNMENT OR ANY LOCAL GOVERNMENT
04:28:54 CAN NO LONGER SEND MAILERS, FLYERS, WHATEVER, DIRECTLY TO
04:29:00 VOTERS ABOUT AN ITEM THAT'S ON THE BALLOT.
04:29:04 SO IF YOU REMEMBER, IN THE PAST, WE PUT THINGS IN PEOPLE'S
04:29:09 UTILITY BILLS OR WHATEVER, AND THAT IS NOW PROHIBITED.
04:29:13 SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY CANNOT SPEND FUNDS
04:29:19 ON SOMETHING THAT ADVOCATES FOR THE PASSAGE OF THE
04:29:23 REFERENDUM.
04:29:24 HOWEVER, WE CAN SPEND IT ON THINGS THAT PROVIDE FACTUAL
04:29:29 INFORMATION, ALTHOUGH AGAIN THOSE CANNOT SHALL SENT DIRECTLY
04:29:32 TO THE VOTERS.
04:29:34 THAT WAS THE RECENT CHANGE.
04:29:37 WE ARE ALSO PROHIBITED FROM USING CITY MONEY TO PAY LIKE AN
04:29:41 OUTSIDE COMPANY TO DO POLITICAL ADVERTISEMENTS.
04:29:44 BUT AGAIN, THE CITY CAN SPEND MONEY ON INFORMATIONAL FLYERS
04:29:50 THAT ARE HANDED OUT, FOR INSTANCE, AT A TOWN HALL OR A
04:29:55 NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, AS LONG AS THE FLYERS ARE LIMITED TO
04:29:58 FACTUAL INFORMATION.
04:29:59 WE CAN PROVIDE FACTUAL INFORMATION IN RESPONSE TO A
04:30:02 QUESTION.
04:30:05 WE CAN HOST A PUBLIC FORUM, AND AGAIN PROVIDE FACTUAL
04:30:10 INFORMATION.
04:30:11 AND WHAT I HAVE JUST DESCRIBED IS WHAT CITY MONEY CAN BE
04:30:14 SPENT ON BY STATUTE.
04:30:17 I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT, AGAIN, WHILE CITY STAFF, CITY
04:30:23 EMPLOYEES CAN ADVOCATE FOR THE PASSAGE, ALL ELECTED
04:30:28 OFFICIALS CAN.
04:30:31 SO THE MAYOR AND EVERY ONE OF YOU CAN PUBLICLY STATE THAT
04:30:36 PEOPLE SHOULD VOTE WHICHEVER WAY YOU BELIEVE THEY SHOULD
04:30:41 VOTE ON THIS.
04:30:42 YOU CAN SAY IT IN ANY FORMAT YOU WANT TO.
04:30:47 AND THAT REMINDS ME, I LEFT OUT ONE THING THE CITY CAN DO.
04:30:51 WE CAN POST FACTUAL INFORMATION ON OUR WEBSITE.
04:30:54 SO I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN THAT THOSE ARE THE GUARDRAILS
04:30:58 THAT THE CITY IS OPERATING UNDER, AND NOW I WILL LET ADAM
04:31:01 EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT THE CITY IS DOING WITHIN THOSE
04:31:03 GUARDRAILS.
04:31:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:31:07 MR. SMITH.
04:31:08 >> ADAM SMITH: THAT'S JUST A SAMPLING OF SOME OF THE STUFF
04:31:15 WE ARE PUTTING ON SOCIAL MEDIA PUTTING REGULARLY.
04:31:17 WE SORT OF HAVE TO BALANCE MULTIPLE TIMES A WEEK JUST PRETTY
04:31:22 PLAIN VANILLA JUST THE FACTS KIND OF MATERIAL TO LET PEOPLE
04:31:25 KNOW --
04:31:26 >>> CAN YOU ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT?
04:31:32 >> ADAM SMITH: I DO THAT?
04:31:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO WHAT I SEE HERE IS THE SOCIAL MEDIA
04:31:39 POST BUT THEY ARE HIGHLIGHTING WHAT C.I.T. DOES.
04:31:42 >> YES.
04:31:44 WE TALK ABOUT WHAT DOES IT FUND, THE BROAD CATEGORIES IT
04:31:47 WILL FUND, WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM.
04:31:49 THE MAYOR ON HER ACCOUNT IS A LITTLE MORE AGGRESSIVE, SHE
04:31:55 ACTUALLY ADVOCATES FOR IT AND SAYS THIS IS ESSENTIAL.
04:31:57 BUT WE ALSO WORK CLOSELY WITH THE COUNTY COMMUNICATIONS
04:32:01 FOLKS, SO WE SORT OF JOINTLY PUT TOGETHER -- THIS IS THEIR
04:32:05 BALLOT INITIATIVE, BUT TOGETHER WE ARE CLOSER TO DO A
04:32:09 WEBSITE THAT IDENTIFIES THE PROJECTS BOTH FROM THE CITY SITE
04:32:13 AND THEIR SITE.
04:32:14 AND THEN JUST TODAY, WE ORDERED, I WOULD CALL IT,
04:32:20 CAMPAIGN-TYPE SIGNS THAT WILL BE GOING -- ONE OF THE THINGS,
04:32:24 FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN IN PINELLAS, I THINK ONE OF
04:32:28 THE THINGS THAT MADE THE PENNY FOR PINELLAS SO SUCCESSFUL
04:32:30 AND POPULAR THERE IS THAT EVERYWHERE YOU SEE THE "PAID FOR
04:32:35 BY THE PENNY FOR PINELLAS," AND I THINK THE GOAL THAT WE
04:32:38 TALKED ABOUT OVER AT THE COUNTY AND THE CITY IS, IF THIS
04:32:42 PASSES LET'S TRY TO KEEP THAT GOING FORWARD, TO MARK OUR
04:32:47 PROJECTS, WHETHER IT'S A TEMPORARY PAVING PROJECT OR A NEW
04:32:50 REC CENTER PAID FOR BY YOUR -- I THINK ANOTHER QUESTION IS
04:32:55 DO WE WANT TO KEEP CALLING IT THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX?
04:32:59 TAX IS NOT A GREAT WORD.
04:33:01 I THINK WE CAN DO BETTER AFTER IT'S OVER.
04:33:03 SO WE ARE WE HAVE ORDERED FOR NOW 50 YARD SIGNS THAT GOING
04:33:08 TO BE PUT IN FRONT OF SOME OF OUR PROJECTS SAYING PAID FOR
04:33:11 BY YOUR COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX.
04:33:13 PEOPLE ARE NOT REALLY AWARE AND WE WANT TO MAKE PEOPLE KNOW
04:33:17 AS MUCH AS THEY CAN ABOUT IT.
04:33:18 THE MAYOR STARTED, SOME OF YOU WERE AT THE WEST TAMPA
04:33:22 CHAMBER, SAW HER TOUTING IT, SHE DID A UNIVERSITY CLUB
04:33:25 THING, SHE WILL GO ANYWHERE AND EVERYWHERE TO TALK ABOUT IT
04:33:29 AND YOU ALL COULD, TOO.
04:33:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU COULD PUT YOUR HALF CENT AT WORK.
04:33:35 YOU DON'T SAY THE THREE LETTER WORD.
04:33:39 COUNCILMAN VIERA.
04:33:41 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
04:33:43 I APPRECIATE THAT.
04:33:44 BY MAKING THIS MOTION I WASN'T ASKING THE CITY TO SPEND ANY
04:33:47 TAX DOLLARS ON PUTTING A POSITION.
04:33:49 MY INTENT WAS ON INDIVIDUALLY, AND WHAT WE ARE ALL DOING,
04:33:54 IT'S KIND OF LIKE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE BORED AND EVERYBODY
04:33:58 MAKES THEIR OWN CHOICE.
04:34:00 IT'S SORT TO GO, HEY, LOOK, IT'S COMING UP, WE ARE ALMOST IN
04:34:04 OCTOBER, MAIL-IN BALLOTS, YOU KNOW, ARE GOING TO BE GOING
04:34:07 OUT, I BELIEVE, ET CETERA, AND TO USE OUR VOICE.
04:34:11 AND I SAY UNABASHEDLY, OF COURSE I AM FOR THIS.
04:34:14 I TALK ABOUT IT IN FRONT OF THE TOWN HALLS THAT I HAVE,
04:34:17 COMMUNITY GROUPS THAT I HAVE, I JOKE THAT IF YOU WANT TO
04:34:20 DEFUND THE POLICE, TO PLEASE VOTE NO ON THIS, BECAUSE THE
04:34:24 POLICE BUDGET IS GOING TO BE, THE FIRE BUDGET, OUR ROADS,
04:34:29 ET CETERA.
04:34:29 IS IT SOMETHING THAT'S PERFECT?
04:34:31 I WISH WE HAD MORE PUBLIC SCHOOL FUNDING.
04:34:33 I THINK IT WENT DOWN.
04:34:39 25 TO 5%?
04:34:40 OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE SO CRITICAL.
04:34:43 MY SON GOES TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME
04:34:46 AND FOR SO MANY.
04:34:47 BUT I AM CERTAINLY USING MY VOICE ON THIS, AND I HOPE AGAIN
04:34:50 EVERYBODY, I KNOW COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WE ALL LOVE AND RESPECT
04:34:54 HAS HIS OPINIONS.
04:34:55 I RESPECT IT 110%.
04:34:57 BUT FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE FOR IT, I THINK WE SHOULD USE
04:35:00 OUR VOICE ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND USE EVERY MEANS NECESSARY.
04:35:04 WE COULD DO A VOTE HERE ON CITY COUNCIL, DO WE SUPPORT THIS?
04:35:09 THAT'S NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING.
04:35:10 WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS WHEN WE GO TALK TO GROUPS, TALK ABOUT
04:35:13 HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS, WHICH IS THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR
04:35:16 30 YEARS, THIS IS WHAT IT'S GIVEN US, THIS IS WHAT IT WILL
04:35:19 GIVE US IN THE FUTURE, AND WORK WITH GROUPS LIKE ATU, WORK
04:35:24 WITH GROUPS LIKE LOCAL 754, THE PBA, ET CETERA, TO SUPPORT
04:35:30 THE WORK THAT THEY DO, BECAUSE WITHOUT THIS MONEY WE FUND
04:35:33 OUR POLICE STATIONS AND OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND EVERYTHING FROM
04:35:35 TAX DOLLARS.
04:35:41 THAT'S WHY I SUPPORT IT.
04:35:43 IS IT PERFECT?
04:35:44 NO, BUT NOTHING IN POLITICS IS.
04:35:46 THAT'S WHY I DID IT, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ALL OUT
04:35:49 THERE WORKING LIKE HELL FOR IT.
04:35:51 THANK YOU.
04:35:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I CAN ONLY SAY I AM NOT OPPOSED TO
04:35:53 THE OWNERS OF THE SPORTS FACILITIES DOING THE BEST THEY CAN
04:35:59 TO GET THE REVENUE THEY NEED FOR WHATEVER REASON.
04:36:02 I HAVE NO QUARREL.
04:36:03 I HAVE A QUARREL WITH THE WAY WE WORK.
04:36:05 WE ARE AFRAID TO SAY THE TRUTH.
04:36:07 FOR INSTANCE, 597 FOR PUBLIC FACILITY.
04:36:11 DO YOU THINK THE AVERAGE PERSON KNOWS WHAT A PUBLIC FACILITY
04:36:15 IS?
04:36:16 THEY'LL THINK IT'S A PARK.
04:36:17 DO YOU THINK ANYONE CAN GO INTO ANY PUBLIC FACILITY OR
04:36:21 CONCERT?
04:36:22 THE ABSOLUTE ANSWER IS, NO.
04:36:24 AND THEN RIGHT UNDER THAT THEY PUT UNDER 597, THEY PUT 545
04:36:29 MILLION TO BE DISTRIBUTED AMONG THE SPORTS STADIUMS.
04:36:32 SO FOR THE FIRST TIME THEY MENTION SPORTS STADIUMS HERE BUT
04:36:35 THEY WILL NOT GET IT ON THE BALLOT.
04:36:37 IT'S GETTING VOTERS CONFUSED SO THEY CAN VOTE THE WAY SOME
04:36:39 WANT IT TO GO.
04:36:40 RAYMONDS JAMES STADIUM WAS 52 MILLION GOING FOR PARK.
04:36:46 THAT'S IN THE COUNTY AREA. IN THE CITY AREA THEY GET 339
04:36:48 MILLION FOR PUBLIC SAFETY IN THE CITY, 191 FOR VEHICLE AND
04:36:51 EQUIPMENT AND 148 FOR FACILITY.
04:36:55 HOWEVER THEY GET 253 MILLION FOR PUBLIC FACILITIES.
04:36:58 AGAIN PUBLIC FACILITIES.
04:37:00 THERE IS NO SUCH THING IN THE CITY AS A PUBLIC FACILITY.
04:37:04 THEY ARE CALLED STADIUMS.
04:37:05 AND THE PUBLIC AND WE POLITICIANS ARE AFRAID TO PUT IT THE
04:37:09 WAY IT IS.
04:37:09 THE PUBLIC THAT HAS TO KNOW THE TRUTH.
04:37:12 AND LET ME TELL YOU ANOTHER THING.
04:37:13 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS THING AND YOU SEE WHAT YOU ARE DOING,
04:37:17 A STADIUM IS NOT ANYTHING BUT A PUBLIC FACILITY?
04:37:21 ABSOLUTELY NOT.
04:37:22 BECAUSE YOU SAY IT IS, I WILL SAY IT'S NOT.
04:37:24 THEY DON'T TELL THE PUBLIC THE TRUTH.
04:37:27 WE ARE AFRAID TO SAY -- THIS STARTED IN 1996, IN FEBRUARY OR
04:37:30 MARCH WHEN THEY PUT IT FOR PUBLIC EDUCATION AND THE CITY THE
04:37:34 WAY IT SHOULD BE AND NOBODY GAVE A HOOT OR HOLLER, NOBODY
04:37:37 RAISED A PENNY TO PASS IT AND IT FAILED.
04:37:40 ALL OF A SUDDEN PUT THE STADIUM IN, SPENT $484,000 IN 96 AND
04:37:45 IT WINS BY 2.5%.
04:37:48 2.5%.
04:37:49 IF WE ARE AFRAID TO GET ALL MUDDY AND PUT IT IN THE STREETS
04:37:52 THAT ARE PAVED A LONG TIME AGO, AND SPENT ALL THE MONEY IN
04:37:55 THEM, WE WOULD HAVE HAD ONE GOLDEN STREETS, WE WOULD HAVE
04:38:00 ANYTHING YOU WANTED.
04:38:01 YOU WOULD HAVE ALL THE CARS YOU NEEDED, YOU WOULD HAVE ALL
04:38:04 THE ELECTRICAL YOU NEEDED, HAD ALL THE HOOKUPS YOU NEEDED.
04:38:08 BUT NO, WE DON'T DO THAT.
04:38:09 ASIDE FROM THAT YOU ARE GIVING AWAY $2 MILLION OF THE FIRST
04:38:15 MONEYS EARNED BY THE SPORTS AUTHORITY GOES TO WHO?
04:38:19 SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T HAVE ONE PENNY INVESTED AND CAN NEVER
04:38:22 TAKE A LOSS.
04:38:23 FOR THE FIRST SEVEN YEARS FROM 99 TO 2006, THEY TOOK IN
04:38:27 $10,269,000, THE SPORTS AUTHORITY DIDN'T TAKE IN ONE PENNY.
04:38:32 SO THE TOTAL SUMS OF 30 YEARS, THEY HAVE TAKEN IN 63,580,247
04:38:39 AND THE SPORTS AUTHORITY TOOK IN 21 MILLION.
04:38:45 I MEAN 63 MILLION.
04:38:46 SO THE PEOPLE WHO EARNED THE MONEY, THE SPORTS AUTHORITY,
04:38:53 CAN'T GIVE TWO-THIRDS BACK TO SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T HAVE ONE
04:38:55 PENNY INVESTED IN IT.
04:38:56 IT'S COMICAL IN A WAY AND REALLY SICKENING IN ANOTHER WAY.
04:39:01 AND IN 2022, THE STADIUM TOOK IN $195 MILLION.
04:39:09 I CAN GO ON AND ON.
04:39:10 IN FACT, THERE'S ANOTHER THING OF INTEREST.
04:39:13 THE SPORTS AUTHORITY FROM THEN TO NOW HAS TAKEN IN
04:39:16 261,946,000, WHERE THE CITY TOOK IN 393 MILLION.
04:39:25 WHAT HAS THE SPORTS AUTHORITY DONE WITH 261 MILLION COMPARED
04:39:32 TO THE CITY'S 393 MILLION?
04:39:34 HASN'T BEEN ANSWERED.
04:39:35 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOLS TOOK IN 655 MILLION, AND THE
04:39:37 BIGGEST WAS HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY 1,200,000,000.
04:39:45 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PROJECTIONS FOR THE FIVE AND TEN YEAR
04:39:48 DEAL, HERE IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST YOU.
04:39:51 ARCHITECT FEES.
04:39:52 FIRST FOUR YEARS, 53 MILLION, THE TOTAL IS MORE THAN THE
04:39:57 TOTAL, 28 TO 37, 202 MILLION, IN 28 TO 48, 194 MILLION, AND
04:40:05 HERE IS THE ONE THAT REALLY BOTHERS ME, AV AND TECHNOLOGY,
04:40:10 138 MILLION, AND THERE'S NOTHING, NO BACKUP MATERIAL.
04:40:13 YOU TALK ABOUT TRANSPARENCY.
04:40:15 WHERE IS IT HERE?
04:40:16 THERE'S NONE.
04:40:17 THEY ARE TAKING IN $498 MILLION, AND THE PUBLIC IS NOT GOING
04:40:25 TO VOTE FOR THIS TAX, BECAUSE WE DON'T PRESENT IT THE RIGHT
04:40:29 WAY.
04:40:29 WE SHOULD TAKE IT ALL FOR OURSELVES.
04:40:31 THE PUBLIC DOESN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO GO TO HALF OF THESE
04:40:34 FACILITIES BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO GET IN.
04:40:36 THEY HAVE A CONTRACT FOR 30 YEARS.
04:40:39 AN INCREASE IN RENT AND WE HAVE PEOPLE LIVING ON THE STREET
04:40:42 THAT WE HAVE TO SUBSIDIZE FOR RENT PAYMENTS, AND WE HAVE TO
04:40:45 DO IT, AND WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. IF WE HAD THIS WE
04:40:50 WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM.
04:40:50 WE WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE HOMELESS.
04:40:52 WE CREATE OUR OWN PROBLEMS.
04:40:54 AND THEY ARE GOING TO GET THE POLICE CARS, THEY ARE GOING TO
04:40:58 GET EVERYTHING THEY WANT.
04:40:58 ALL THEY GOT TO DO IS UNPASS THIS AND PASS IT IN 2028 AND
04:41:02 GIVE IT BACK TO THE CITIZENS WHO PUT IT IN.
04:41:04 THANK YOU.
04:41:05 [BELL SOUNDS]
04:41:08 >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
04:41:09 I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU THAT THE CONTRACT IS BAD FOR US.
04:41:16 UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE IN THE CONTRACT.
04:41:18 WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY THEM EVERY YEAR REGARDLESS,
04:41:20 UNTIL IT'S OVER, AND THEN WE CAN RENEGOTIATE.
04:41:24 SO FOR ME, THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF THE OTHER THINGS
04:41:28 IT'S DOING, POLICE AND FIRE.
04:41:32 I AM NOT ONE THAT WANTS TO FUND THE STADIUM, AND SO I AM
04:41:38 VERY THANKFUL THAT THE RAYS DIDN'T -- YOU KNOW, STAY IN
04:41:41 ST. PETE, BUT THIS, WE CAN'T NOT PAY IT.
04:41:44 WE ARE CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED.
04:41:46 SO TO ME THIS IS NOT AS IMPORTANT, BECAUSE WE ARE ALREADY
04:41:51 OBLIGATED.
04:41:52 THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT WE ARE OBLIGATED TO THAT I AM
04:41:54 NOT THRILLED ABOUT, BUT WE ARE.
04:41:56 THE DECISIONS WERE MADE BEFORE I SAT IN THIS SEAT.
04:42:01 SO GOING FORWARD, WE HAVE TO SUPPORT OUR POLICE, OUR FIRE.
04:42:05 THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE CAN DO THAT GOING FORWARD WITHOUT
04:42:09 RAISING OUR MILLAGE OR TAXING OURSELVES AGAIN AND TRYING
04:42:13 AGAIN IN 2028.
04:42:14 I GUESS WE COULD TRY 2026 IF WE TRY A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
04:42:19 BUT, NO, WE CAN'T, SO 2028 IT IS.
04:42:22 SO ACTUALLY I HAVE BEEN ENJOYING YOU PUTTING THESE UP AS WE
04:42:25 ARE GOING.
04:42:27 THIS IS GREAT.
04:42:28 AND IF THESE ARE TYPES OF THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT BE WILLING
04:42:31 TO SHARE IN AN E-MAIL OR TEXT MESSAGE, WELL, I GUESS WE CAN
04:42:38 JUST RESHARE ON SOCIAL MEDIA, BUT I DO APPRECIATE WHAT YOU
04:42:41 ARE DOING GOING FORWARD, THE FACTUAL INFORMATION IS VERY
04:42:45 HELPFUL, AND BUT I WOULD ACTUALLY LOVE SOME PHYSICAL COPIES
04:42:50 OF THIS SO THAT I CAN TAKE IT FROM ME WHEN I GO PLACES TO
04:42:53 SHOW PEOPLE, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, GIVING SOME COLOR COPIES
04:42:58 TO ALL OF US, MAYBE LIKE TWO OR THREE COPIES.
04:43:01 I WILL TRY TO KEEP THEM ORIGINAL.
04:43:04 >> ONE PAGE SORT OF THING?
04:43:06 >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, JUST LIKE THIS, IF I COULD GET
04:43:08 PHOTOCOPIES.
04:43:09 THESE ARE GREAT AND THAT WAY I CAN KIND OF SHOW PEOPLE WHAT
04:43:11 THEY PAID FOR, WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO PAY FOR.
04:43:13 THIS IS MORE TANGIBLE, AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU
04:43:16 ARE DOING BEHIND THIS.
04:43:17 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES, I AM JUST KEEPING IT REAL FOR FOLKS
04:43:22 THAT ARE LISTENING AND FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE UP HERE, ABSENTEE
04:43:26 BALLOTS IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY GO OUT TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY.
04:43:29 THEY WILL BE MAILED.
04:43:31 SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS.
04:43:34 14 DAYS.
04:43:34 THIS IS THE TIME FRAME WE ARE LOOKING AT.
04:43:37 I CANNOT EVEN IMAGINE WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE TRYING TO
04:43:42 DO A BUDGET FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA WITHOUT THE C.I.T., AND
04:43:47 WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL REVENUE.
04:43:48 I MEAN, ALL THE POINTS ARE VALID.
04:43:53 AGAIN, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK REMINDED US WE HAVE GOT
04:43:59 CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS THAT HAVE TO BE PAID.
04:44:01 WE CAN'T GO BACK.
04:44:02 THERE'S NO MACHINE TO TAKE US BACK TO RENEGOTIATE THESE
04:44:05 CONTRACTS.
04:44:06 THAT'S DONE.
04:44:07 THEY CAN EXTEND THE CONTRACT AT THEIR WILL.
04:44:11 SO WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY.
04:44:13 I DON'T KNOW, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES ARE YOU WILLING TO LAY OFF?
04:44:19 WHAT IS IT, COUNCILMAN VIERA SAID YOU WANT TO DEFUND THE
04:44:22 POLICE, THIS IS THE WAY TO DO IT.
04:44:24 YOU WANT TO NOT BUILD FIRE STATIONS? HEY, THIS IS THE WAY
04:44:27 TO DO IT.
04:44:28 I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SACRIFICE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA?
04:44:33 WE ARE TALKING A SUBSTANTIAL SUM OF MONEY, AND WE FUND JUST
04:44:37 THE NORMAL DAILY BUSINESS OPERATIONS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
04:44:41 WITH THIS.
04:44:41 I DON'T KNOW, THE CITY WITHOUT RAISING TAXES IN ANOTHER WAY,
04:44:45 I DON'T THINK WE CAN FUNCTION AS A CITY.
04:44:49 WE ALREADY HIGHLIGHTED THE OTHER DAY, WE ARE ALREADY THE
04:44:51 LOWEST MILLAGE RATE.
04:44:53 OUR MILLAGE RATE IS LOWER THAN EVERYBODY ELSE.
04:44:58 GOOD LUCK WITH THIS.
04:44:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
04:45:02 YES, MA'AM.
04:45:05 >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, I REALLY APPRECIATE
04:45:09 YOUR PERSPECTIVE AND I AGREE WITH YOU.
04:45:12 THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY.
04:45:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:45:16 ITEM NUMBER 70.
04:45:22 >>GWEN HENDERSON: ALSO, IT'S A GOOD TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT
04:45:27 YOUR VOTER REGISTRATION IS UP TO DATE.
04:45:29 SO TRY TO CHECK EVERY WEEK BEFORE THE ELECTION.
04:45:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HILLSBOROUGH.GOV.
04:45:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM 73 IS A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER
04:45:41 VIERA.
04:45:41 >> RECEIVE AND FILE.
04:45:50 >>LUIS VIERA: I WAS GOING TO RECEIVE AND FILE, AND I KNOW
04:45:54 COUNCILMAN COUNCILMEMBER HENDERSON YOU INDICATED YOU WANTED
04:45:57 TO HAVE STAFF HERE.
04:45:57 I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION AT THE END, AND I WILL DO IT AT
04:46:00 THE END, JUST CORRESPONDENCE OF THE ITALIAN CLUB ON CURSORY
04:46:05 ISSUES, AND EVERYTHING.
04:46:06 BUT I'M FINE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
04:46:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE 73.
04:46:12 MOTION FROM COUNCILMEMBER HENDERSON, SECOND BY HENDERSON.
04:46:16 ALL IN FAVOR?
04:46:17 OPPOSED?
04:46:17 I THINK THIS IS THE LAST ITEM.
04:46:19 ITEM 74.
04:46:26 MS. FEELEY OR MR. COTTON.
04:46:27 THERE IS A PowerPoint?
04:46:30 >>ERIC COTTON: WE HAVE A PAPER COPY.
04:46:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S GREAT, TOO.
04:46:33 >>ERIC COTTON: I'M OLD-FASHIONED.
04:46:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PAPER IS GOOD.
04:46:41 IT'S TRADITIONAL.
04:46:43 >>ERIC COTTON: LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
04:46:45 THIS AS A RESULT OF A COUNCIL MOTION A COUPLE WEEKS AGO TO
04:46:50 ADDRESS THE OFF-SITE PARKING IN THE 27-283.6.
04:46:57 THE SPECIFIC MOTION FROM COUNCIL WAS ASKING THAT LAND
04:46:59 DEVELOPMENT STAFF COME, AGREE TO ADDRESS THE LENGTH OF
04:47:03 LEASES AND SUCH, OR USE OFF-SITE PARKING.
04:47:11 SCAGLIONE WAS HERE EARLIER.
04:47:13 HE ARRIVED AT 1:30.
04:47:15 HE LEFT A LITTLE AFTER 4:15.
04:47:17 BUT HE SAID HE WOULD BE WATCHING THIS.
04:47:20 I WANT TO GO OVER, THE CURRENT CODE LANGUAGE, FINDING OUT
04:47:23 ABOUT THE CURRENT CODE LANGUAGE, CURRENT PARKING CHALLENGES
04:47:26 THAT THE CITY HAS, THE LEASE TERMS AND THE LANGUAGE OF THE
04:47:29 LEASE AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, WE DID DRAFT UP SOME
04:47:32 QUICK AMENDED LANGUAGE.
04:47:35 IF IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE TO MOVE FORWARD WE WOULD INCLUDE
04:47:38 THIS IN THE CYCLE AND BRING IT BACK NEXT WEEK FOR THE JULY
04:47:41 CYCLE.
04:47:42 IN THE WORKSHOP.
04:47:44 IN SUMMARY, THIS IS THE CURRENT LANGUAGE IN THE CODE.
04:47:48 FOR BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES IT ALLOWS SOMEONE
04:47:51 TO UTILIZE OUTSIDE PARKING.
04:47:53 THE USE BEING SERVED BY OFFSIDE PARKING THE USE IS ALLOWED
04:47:59 IN THE ZONING DISTRICT THAT WHERE THE PARKING IS BEING
04:48:02 SHARED.
04:48:02 SO IF YOU ARE A MEDICAL OFFICE AND YOU ARE ZONED CG AND YOU
04:48:06 WANT TO USE OFF-SITE PARK, IT HAS TO BE LIKE CG, CI, OR
04:48:13 WOULD ALSO ALLOW MEDICAL OFFICE USE, WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET
04:48:15 ON A STATE PEDESTRIAN ROUTE, THE CODE GOES INTO A LITTLE
04:48:19 MORE LONG-TERM LANGUAGE AND CODE HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE
04:48:23 CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
04:48:24 SO THE CURRENT -- THE CITY IS RUNNING OUT OF LAND.
04:48:27 I THINK WE HAVE HERE 3 OR 4% VACANT LAND THAT'S YET TO BE
04:48:33 DEVELOPED.
04:48:33 SO PUT IT AS THE COST OF PROVIDING SERVICE PARKING, OR
04:48:39 STRUCTURED PARKING.
04:48:40 IT IS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.
04:48:42 THE BEST USE OF THE LAND OFTEN IS NOT A PARKING LOT.
04:48:46 PARKING LOTS JUST SIT THERE, AND THEY ARE USED OCCASIONALLY,
04:48:52 OR OFTEN DEPENDING ON WHAT THE BUSINESS IS.
04:48:54 AND THEN YOU HAVE THE OVERPARK USES.
04:48:57 OUR RATE FOR RETAIL IS A THOUSAND.
04:49:01 SOME DEVELOPMENTS, WHEN THEY COME IN, THEY PARK AT 5 OR 6
04:49:05 PER THOUSAND BECAUSE THEIR BUSINESS MODEL SAYS WE HAVE TO
04:49:07 HAVE THAT MUCH PARKING.
04:49:09 THE OTHER CONCERN THAT ALWAYS COMES UP, IF YOU DON'T HAVE
04:49:11 ENOUGH PARKING WHERE DO THE PEOPLE PARK, SO YOU CAN END UP
04:49:16 WITH OVERFLOWING INTO NEIGHBORHOOD.
04:49:18 AND THEN ENSURE THAT THE OFF-SITE PARKING, IF YOU ARE GOING
04:49:22 TO GO OFF-SITE PARKING, THAT THAT OFF-SITE PARKING HAS
04:49:25 ENOUGH PARKING FOR ITS USE AND THE USE IS GOING TO BE
04:49:28 SHARED.
04:49:28 SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF I AM A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT AND I WANT A
04:49:36 BUSINESS BUT I ONLY HAVE 10 PARKING SPACES BUT I NEED 15,
04:49:39 AND TWO DOORS DOWN THERE'S A PARKING LOT THAT REQUIRES 10
04:49:43 PARKING SPACES BUT THEY HAVE 20, THEY ARE OVERPARKED.
04:49:47 I COULD UTILIZE THAT PARKING.
04:49:50 SO THE DISCUSSION THAT WAS BROUGHT UP LAST WEEK WAS LEASE
04:49:54 TERMS AND LANGUAGE.
04:49:56 WHICH IS THE LENGTH OF A LEASE.
04:49:58 THE CODE IS SILENT.
04:49:59 IT JUST SAYS, A LEASE APPROVED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S
04:50:06 OFFICE.
04:50:07 RIGHT NOW, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THE LEASE HAS TO BE A
04:50:12 MINIMUM OF TEN YEARS.
04:50:14 WHEN I STARTED WORKING HERE, WHICH WAS A WHILE BACK, I
04:50:17 BELIEVE IT WAS 99 YEARS.
04:50:19 SO PUTTING AN OWNERSHIP INTEREST IN THAT PERSON TO UTILIZE A
04:50:22 LEASE.
04:50:23 NOBODY WANTS TO TIE UP THEIR PROPERTY FOR 99 YEARS FOR
04:50:27 SOMEBODY ELSE TO PARK ON IT.
04:50:29 THAT WAS AMENDED, IN FIVE YEARS, PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION,
04:50:36 WAS ABOUT FIVE YEARS.
04:50:37 NOW IT'S UP TO TEN YEARS.
04:50:40 ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT CODE RIGHT IN AND OUT IS THAT
04:50:42 LEASE HAS TO GET RECORDED.
04:50:43 SO IT SHOWS UP IN THE CIRCUIT COURT, IF SOMEBODY GOES TO
04:50:47 SEARCH ON THE PROPERTY DO A TITLE SEARCH THAT LEASE WILL
04:50:49 SHOW UP AS BEING A RECORDED DOCUMENT.
04:50:53 I MAY HAVE TO HAVE SUSAN ADDRESS THE VIABILITY.
04:50:56 THE ADDRESS OF A THOUSAND FEET, THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION TO
04:51:00 MOVING IT TO 1320 WHICH IS A QUARTER MILE, AND THEN A
04:51:03 TERMINATION CLAUSE IF THE LEASE IS TERMINATED, WHAT HAPPENS?
04:51:08 THERE'S USUALLY LANGUAGE WHEN THE LEASE -- THAT THE CITY
04:51:12 GETS IDENTIFIED.
04:51:12 THE QUESTION IS WHAT DO WE DO ONCE WE ARE IDENTIFIED OF THAT
04:51:16 INFORMATION?
04:51:17 STAFF DOES HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
04:51:21 ONE, WEE MAKE IT ONLY FOR A NONRESIDENTIAL USES.
04:51:25 SO AN APARTMENT COMPLEX OR A CONDOMINIUM CAN'T GET PARKING
04:51:29 OFF-SITE FOR SOMEWHERE ELSE, SO IF YOU ARE BUILDING
04:51:34 APARTMENTS THAT HAVE 500 UNITS, 600 PARKING SPACES, THEY
04:51:39 WOULD HAVE ALL 600 ON THEIR SITE WHETHER IT BE ON THE
04:51:42 SURFACE OR WHEREVER THAT MAY BE.
04:51:45 ANOTHER TEN YEAR LEASE TERM, WE COULD PUT THAT INTO CODE,
04:51:49 HOW IT'S MEASURED.
04:51:51 REQUIRE NOTICE TO THE CITY, CODIFY THE REQUIREMENT THAT CITY
04:51:54 GETS NOTIFIED IF A DEGREES IS CANCELED BY EITHER PARTY.
04:51:58 AND THIS IS THE ONE TO ENSURE THAT WE KNOW THAT THE OTHER
04:52:00 SITE THAT THE PERSON IS BORROWING PARKING FROM, SHARED
04:52:04 PARKING IS COMING FROM, MAKING SURE WE HAVE AN AS-BUILT
04:52:08 SURVEY THAT SHOWS HOW MUCH PARKING IS LEADED, MAKING SURE IT
04:52:11 ALL FUNCTIONS, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO RUN INTO PEOPLE
04:52:16 UTILIZE A SITE THAT DOES NOT HAVE FUNCTIONAL PARKING.
04:52:20 SO I HAVE A BLOWUP OF EACH INDIVIDUAL THINGS ON A
04:52:28 SEPARATE -- ON SEPARATE SHEETS SO IT'S MORE LEGIBLE.
04:52:32 THE FIRST ONE SHOW THAT THE PROPOSED USE, THE USE THAT NEEDS
04:52:36 TO BORROW THE PARKING, IS A PRINCIPAL PERMITTED USE ON THE
04:52:41 SITE AS PARKING IS GOING TO.
04:52:44 GOING BACK TO MY EXAMPLE, RETAIL, ZONED CG, YOU CAN'T GO
04:52:48 PARK ON AN RM SUCH LOT, BECAUSE RETAIL IS NOT ALLOWED IN THE
04:52:53 RM-24.
04:52:57 THE THOUSAND FEET MEASUREMENT WHICH WOULD BE MEASURED FROM
04:53:01 VEHICULAR EXCELLENCE OF THE PLACE WHERE THE PERSON IS
04:53:04 BORROWING THE PARKING TO THE PEDESTRIAN ENTRANCE TO THE
04:53:07 PROPERTY THAT YOU UTILIZE IN THE SHARED PARKING.
04:53:10 AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT A PLAN SHOWING WHOEVER IS
04:53:14 APPLICANT IS SHOWING THE WAY THE PERSON IS BLOCKING, OR
04:53:17 PEDESTRIAN ROUTE, WERE CROSSED OFF IF IT'S LIT OR NOT LIT
04:53:21 AND HOW IT'S PROPERLY MARKED.
04:53:24 AGAIN, THIS IS GOING BACK TO WHAT I JUST SAID, UTILIZING AN
04:53:27 AS-BUILT SURVEY NO MORE THAN FIVE YEARS OLD SO WE KNOW HOW
04:53:31 THAT PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY SITUATED.
04:53:34 AND THEN THE FINAL LANGUAGE THAT WOULD BE IN THE CODE WOULD
04:53:37 BE ENSURING THAT THE LEASE IS A MINIMUM OF TEN YEARS OLD,
04:53:42 TEN YEARS LONG, AND THAT ONCE IT'S RECORDED, BEFORE WE WOULD
04:53:47 ISSUE A LETTER, IT WOULD BE RECORDED, BUT WE WOK GET A COPY
04:53:50 OF THAT RECORDED DOCUMENT FROM THE CLERK OF CIRCUIT COURT.
04:53:56 DOES COUNCIL HAVE QUESTIONS?
04:53:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY?
04:54:00 COUNCILMEMBER CLENDENIN.
04:54:02 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS WHOLE ISSUE IS PERPLEXING BECAUSE I
04:54:08 THINK ONE OF THE THINGS I HEARD FROM THE TIME I HAVE BEEN ON
04:54:10 COUNCIL IS A WORLD APART, AND WE PROVIDED PARKING WHENEVER
04:54:16 WE APPROVED SOMETHING, WE APPROVED PARKING WAIVERS.
04:54:19 SO I AM NOT QUITE SURE WHERE WE ARE.
04:54:21 I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT WE MOVE THIS ISSUE TO
04:54:25 THE FEBRUARY 27, 2025 WORKSHOP, AND WORKSHOP WHAT PARKING
04:54:30 LOOKS LIKE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
04:54:32 >>LYNN HURTAK: I'LL SECOND THAT.
04:54:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY, SO WE WILL LEAVE THAT.
04:54:35 >>LYNN HURTAK: HONESTLY I WAS GOING TO SAY ALMOST THE EXACT
04:54:39 SAME THING.
04:54:40 WHEN I LOOK AT THIS FOR ME, AND SOME OF THIS IS A PART OF
04:54:43 THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REWRITE.
04:54:47 BUT TO ME, WE ARE CREATING MORE OF A PROBLEM, BECAUSE WHAT
04:54:50 WE ARE DOING BY ADDING MORE RESTRICTIONS IS WE ARE BASICALLY
04:54:54 HAMSTRINGING PEOPLE FROM DEVELOPING, AND THAT TO ME IS A
04:54:58 STRUGGLE.
04:54:59 BECAUSE IF WE ARE TAKING OUT THE RESIDENTIAL POSSIBILITIES,
04:55:01 THEN IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A SIX STORY BUILDING, YOU ARE GOING
04:55:05 TO HAVE TO HAVE TOWER PARKING, AND THAT'S COST PROHIBITIVE.
04:55:09 SO WE DON'T HAVE LAND TO CONTINUE TO PARK PEOPLE ON THE
04:55:17 GROUND.
04:55:17 WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO HIGH.
04:55:19 BUT AT THE SAME TIME --
04:55:22 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN WE JUST WORKSHOP THIS?
04:55:25 BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT, TOO.
04:55:27 >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, SO I DON'T REALLY SUPPORT THIS MEASURE,
04:55:31 IS BASICALLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
04:55:33 BUT I WILL SUPPORT IT IF HE WANTS TO GO FORWARD.
04:55:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MS. FEELEY.
04:55:41 >>ABBYE FEELEY: GOOD AFTERNOON.
04:55:44 COUPLE THINGS.
04:55:45 ONE IS, WE COME TO YOU NEXT WEEK WITH THE JULY CYCLE.
04:55:49 AS I HAVE MENTIONED A COUPLE OF OTHER TIMES, WE ARE NOT
04:55:51 GOING TO PROCESS ANY OTHER TEXT AMENDMENTS AFTER THE JULY
04:55:54 CYCLE BECAUSE WE ARE NOW IN THE CODE UPDATE SOCIETY I DON'T
04:55:59 WANT TO PUT THIS IN FEBRUARY AND THEN START TRACKING IT
04:56:02 THINKING IT'S GOING TO COME IN THE JANUARY CYCLE.
04:56:04 THERE WILL NOT BE ANOTHER CYCLE.
04:56:06 SO JUST TO WALK BACK THE ISSUE FOR A MOMENT, THIS RELATES TO
04:56:10 THE YBOR CITY ISSUE WHERE THERE WAS A RESIDENTIAL PROJECT,
04:56:14 THE RESIDENTIAL PROJECT HAD A LEASE FOR OFF-SITE PARKING,
04:56:19 THAT LEASE TERMINATED 60 DAYS AFTER -- I THINK THERE WAS A
04:56:26 TERMINATION CLAUSE IN THE LEASE THAT TALKED ABOUT THE
04:56:29 ABILITY TO TERMINATE 06 DAYS AFTER OR 60 DAYS NOTICE OR
04:56:32 SOMETHING.
04:56:32 WHAT MR. SCAGLIONE BROUGHT TO YOU THAT YOU MADE THIS MOTION
04:56:36 BASED ON IS THAT THERE IS A LOOPHOLE IN PROVIDING OFF-SITE
04:56:39 PARKING WITH OTHER ENTITIES, BECAUSE IF YOU CAN DEMONSTRATE
04:56:44 THAT YOU ARE USING THAT FOR ZONING COMPLIANCE BUT THEN YOU
04:56:46 CAN GO OFF AND TERMINATE IT IN 60 DAYS OR WHATEVER THAT IS,
04:56:50 YOU ARE NOT REALLY IN ZONING COMPLIANCE ANYMORE.
04:56:53 BUT THOSE THINGS ARE FALLING OUT.
04:56:54 SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE RECOMMENDATIONS CAME FROM.
04:56:58 WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ANY ACTION.
04:56:59 WE CAN LEAVE IT AS IT IS AND LET COME THROUGH THE CODE
04:57:02 UPDATE AND SEE WHAT THE CLARION TEAM MIGHT RECOMMEND IN
04:57:09 RELATIONSHIP TO A PROCESS FOR ALLOWING SHARED PARKING OR
04:57:12 OFF-SITE PARKING OR THESE TYPES OF LEASE SCENARIOS.
04:57:17 AND WE CAN STILL WORKSHOP IT.
04:57:19 THAT'S STILL AN OPTION AS WELL.
04:57:21 BUT I JUST WANT TO SET UP EXPECTATIONS IN RELATIONSHIP IF BE
04:57:24 WE WORKSHOP IT IN FEBRUARY WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO, BECAUSE I
04:57:27 HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR IN MY REPRESENTATION TO THE PUBLIC AND
04:57:31 OTHERS THAT WE ARE NOW IN THIS OTHER CYCLE, AND I DON'T WANT
04:57:35 TO BE WORKING ON THINGS OUTSIDE OF WHAT THEY ARE WORKING ON
04:57:38 WHEN THEY ARE TRYING TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING HOLISTICALLY AND
04:57:42 US BE TRACKING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
04:57:45 SO I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD CLEARLY.
04:57:48 IT'S THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL BUT WE WILL NOT HAVE A JANUARY
04:57:52 CYCLE.
04:57:53 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO WHAT I HEARD YOU SAID IS THIS WILL BE
04:57:59 INCORPORATED INTO THE LONGER TERM SOLUTION THAT YOU ARE
04:58:02 WORKING ON.
04:58:10 SO LET'S NOT TAKE ANY ACTION AND LET THE PROCESS BLOW OUT IN
04:58:14 A LONGER TERM SOLUTION.
04:58:17 >>ABBYE FEELEY: THE OTHER THING TO RESPOND TO THAT, UNLESS
04:58:19 THERE IS SOMETHING THAT MS. JOHNSON-VELEZ AND MR. COTTON
04:58:22 FEEL ARE GROSSLY WRONG IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD
04:58:26 SUGGEST MINOR CHANGES OR WITHOUT CHANGING CONTENT TO
04:58:30 COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S POINTED ABOUT LEAVING THE RESO IN OR
04:58:36 OUT, IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS NOW,
04:58:39 PLEASE SAY THAT.
04:58:40 IF NOT, IF IT'S THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL, WE CAN MAKE SURE
04:58:43 WHEN WE ARE WORKING WITH THE TEAM THAT WE HAVE THAT
04:58:45 DISCUSSION.
04:58:47 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WOULD IT BE BENEFICIAL?
04:58:49 I THINK COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND I ARE SIMPATICO ON THIS
04:58:54 ISSUE.
04:58:55 WOULD IT BE BENEFICIAL WITH YOUR LONGER TERM STRATEGY OF
04:58:58 WORK WITH THE SENTIMENT OF COUNCIL IN A WORKSHOP THIS
04:59:01 FEBRUARY?
04:59:04 >>ABBYE FEELEY: THAT COULDN'T HURT.
04:59:06 I AM NEVER GOING TO SAY NO TO THAT OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS
04:59:08 THAT.
04:59:09 I JUST WANT THE EXPECTATION TO KNOW THAT IT WOULD TRAVEL --
04:59:14 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET'S GO AHEAD AND WORKSHOP THIS ON
04:59:18 FEBRUARY 27th.
04:59:18 >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION.
04:59:21 AND THAT YOU BROUGHT UP THAT -- WHEN IS THE PROJECTED TIME
04:59:28 TO GET THOSE CHANGES FROM CLARION?
04:59:33 WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT?
04:59:34 ARE WE LOOKING AT 2026?
04:59:37 JANUARY?
04:59:39 I BELIEVE THAT THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING -- AND PLEASE DON'T
04:59:44 QUOTE ME ON THIS.
04:59:46 >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, I AM JUST TRYING TO FIND A BALLPARK.
04:59:50 >>ABBYE FEELEY: I BELIEVE THE FIRST INTENDED HEARING WOULD
04:59:53 BE SPRING OF 26.
04:59:54 >>LYNN HURTAK: SO THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
04:59:56 BUT IF WE DO HAVE ISSUES, OR THINK THINGS, WHEN THEY COME TO
05:00:03 AND KIND OF FIND OUT WHERE THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS WHEN WE
05:00:07 DO HAVE ISSUES, IF THAT IS A WAY THAT WE CAN DEAL WITH SOME
05:00:10 OF THE CONCERNS WE MAY HAVE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
05:00:13 >>ABBYE FEELEY: YES.
05:00:14 AND THAT'S FOR THE COMING, INSTALLMENT IS THE ASSESSMENT.
05:00:18 AFTER THE ASSESSMENT THE DRAFT CODE WILL COME IN THREE
05:00:20 INSTALLMENTS.
05:00:21 SO THERE WILL BE THREE PIECES, AND THAT WE WILL BE WORKING
05:00:25 ON BEFORE IT'S ALL PARK AND UP INTO ONE.
05:00:27 >>LYNN HURTAK: GREAT.
05:00:29 AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE THREE SECTIONS.
05:00:32 OKAY, PERFECT.
05:00:33 I JUST WANTED TO GET A LITTLE MORE CLARIFICATION.
05:00:36 BECAUSE WHEN YOU SAY WE CAN'T DO CODE CHANGES, FOR A
05:00:39 SECOND -- BUT KNOWING WHERE THE STOPS ARE IS HELPFUL.
05:00:45 SO THANK YOU.
05:00:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. CARLSON.
05:00:49 >>BILL CARLSON: THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE FOR A LONG TIME,
05:00:55 BESIDES YBOR, IT'S BEEN AN ISSUE ON HOWARD AVENUE FOR A
05:00:58 LONG, LONG TIME, TOO.
05:01:02 PEOPLE MAKE FUN OF IT BECAUSE THERE SEEM TO BE MULTIPLE
05:01:05 LEASES ON THE SAME SPOT OF LAND.
05:01:09 I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID A MINUTE AGO.
05:01:11 I WISH THAT WE COULD PUT THIS IN THIS CYCLE AND THEN IF
05:01:14 SOMEBODY WANTS TO MODIFY IT IN THE BIGGER PROCESS GO AHEAD.
05:01:17 BUT JUST BECAUSE IT'S BEEN OUT THERE A LONG TIME DOESN'T
05:01:20 MEAN WE SHOULDN'T TRY TO FIX IT.
05:01:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND FOR THE
05:01:23 WORKSHOP IN FEBRUARY 27.
05:01:26 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:01:27 ANY OPPOSED?
05:01:29 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:01:33 THAT'S IT FOR NEW BUSINESS.
05:01:37 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
05:01:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [OFF MICROPHONE]
05:01:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMEMBER VIERA.
05:01:48 >>LUIS VIERA: I HAVE A COUPLE, IF I MAY.
05:01:50 I HAD MENTIONED THE ITALIAN CLUB BY MOTION.
05:01:52 AND I CAN DO THIS LETTER, COUNCIL.
05:01:54 OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ANYTHING CONTROVERSIAL.
05:01:57 I WOULD SAY IF YOU GUYS WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT BEFORE IT
05:02:00 GOES OUT THAT'S FINE.
05:02:01 BUT A MOTION FOR A TAMPA CITY COUNCIL LET EARTH SENT TO THE
05:02:04 ITALIAN CLUB SHOWING OUR DISAPPOINTMENT OF FAILURE TO APPEAR
05:02:08 BEFORE COUNCIL AS PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED AND BE TRANSPARENT
05:02:11 ABOUT THEIR FINDINGS AS RELATES TO THE ALLEGATIONS OF THE
05:02:14 CEMETERY FOR TRANSPARENCY.
05:02:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMEMBER
05:02:18 VIERA, SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
05:02:20 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:02:21 OPPOSED?
05:02:22 YES, SIR.
05:02:22 ANYTHING ELSE?
05:02:24 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, I'M SORRY.
05:02:25 ACTUALLY GOT A FEW.
05:02:26 THIS IS ONE THAT I THINK CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO GET SOME
05:02:30 GOOD USE FROM.
05:02:31 DARRYL BUTLER IS OUR RACIAL RECONCILIATION COMMITTEE
05:02:37 FACILITATOR. YOU ALL KNOW THIS GENTLEMAN.
05:02:41 SO I WOULD LIKE FOR HIM TO HAVE US JOIN US VIRTUALLY AT THE
05:02:45 REGULAR SESSION ON OCTOBER 3rd OF 2024 FOR A SHORT FIVE
05:02:49 OR TEN MINUTE -- WE CAN LIMIT IT TO TEN MINUTES.
05:02:56 I BELIEVE WE ARE UNDER BUDGET.
05:02:58 AND I WILL CONFIRM BUT THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, REGARDING
05:03:00 THE UPCOMING COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND PLANNINGS.
05:03:04 SO THAT'S ALL.
05:03:05 WE CAN EITHER DO IT UNDER CEREMONIALS OR AFTER LUNCH TIME.
05:03:09 I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO HEAR FROM HIM.
05:03:14 I THINK IT WOULD PROVIDE SOME GOOD SUBSTANCE FOR US.
05:03:17 BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH HIM A LOT.
05:03:19 BUT I THINK WE ALL SHOULD.
05:03:25 >>> TWO COMMENDATIONS AND A PRESENTATION FROM THE SBA, STAFF
05:03:29 REPORT.
05:03:30 >>MARTIN SHELBY: HERE IS THE THING, COUNCILMAN.
05:03:34 BUT THIS GENTLEMAN IS GOING TO BE COMING IN REMOTELY IS MY
05:03:38 UNDERSTANDING AND IS GOING TO BE COMING IN FROM ORLANDO.
05:03:42 BUT HE'S NOT GOING TO BE DRIVING.
05:03:45 SO I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST, COUNCIL, TO BE ABLE TO
05:03:50 ACCOMMODATE HIM, EVEN IF IT MEANS GIVING HIM A TIME UNDER --
05:03:55 AND IF YOU HAVE TO WAIVE THE RULES IT WOULD BE MY
05:03:57 RECOMMENDATION TO DO THAT.
05:03:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A TIME CERTAIN LATER AFTER THAT, LIKE
05:04:11 AT 3:00?
05:04:14 >>MARTIN SHELBY: BUT WE WON'T KNOW WHEN HE'S GOING TO BE ON
05:04:16 STANDBY, HOW LONG, WHAT TIME.
05:04:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF WE HAVE TWO REVIEW HEARINGS THAT
05:04:21 START AT 1:30, THAT TAKE UP THE WHOLE TIME.
05:04:24 OR WE COULD DO A HARD PAUSE AT THREE IF HE'S GOING TO JUST
05:04:29 DO A QUICK PRESENTATION.
05:04:37 (ENCODER DROP)
05:04:55 >>LUIS VIERA: AND MR. SHELBY, TRUST ME, YOU ARE NOT OUT OF
05:04:59 LINE.
05:05:00 I APPRECIATE IT.
05:05:01 SO, YEAH.
05:05:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU WANT TO WAIVE THE RULES AND DO
05:05:05 IT AT THE BEGINNING?
05:05:07 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DO A TIME CERTAIN.
05:05:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TEN MINUTES FOR EVERYBODY.
05:05:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL MAY HAVE QUESTIONS.
05:05:17 BE MINDFUL --
05:05:20 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOW ABOUT TEN MINUTES IMMEDIATELY
05:05:22 FOLLOWING THE COMMENDATIONS?
05:05:28 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET NOVEMBER 7th
05:05:30 INSTEAD OF WAIVING THE RULES?
05:05:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE RACIAL CONCILIATION COMMITTEE WAS
05:05:36 SUPPOSED TO START IN SEPTEMBER.
05:05:38 BUT BECAUSE OF THE LOGISTICS, IT'S VERY TIMELY FOR
05:05:43 COUNCIL --
05:05:44 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN WE DO A COMMENDATION INSTEAD OF
05:05:47 WAIVING THE RULES?
05:05:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY: SMALL BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION.
05:05:53 I DON'T KNOW WHOSE MOTION THAT WAS.
05:05:55 >>LYNN HURTAK: I'LL SECOND WAIVING THE RULES.
05:06:00 >>LUIS VIERA: [OFF MICROPHONE] IF I MAY, I THINK THIS IS
05:06:06 IMPORTANT TO DO IT.
05:06:08 I THINK IT'S PIVOTAL.
05:06:10 I APPRECIATE ON WAIVING THE RULES.
05:06:16 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE SBA.
05:06:18 THAT'S BECAUSE OF HURRICANE DEBBY AND THE TIME FRAME
05:06:21 EXPIRES.
05:06:23 THAT'S WHY THEY ARE COMING IN.
05:06:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO THERE IS A MOTION.
05:06:25 (OFF MICROPHONE)
05:06:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO WAIVE THE RULES BY
05:06:35 COUNCILMEMBER CLENDENIN TO WAIVE THE RULES UNDER
05:06:38 CEREMONIALS.
05:06:39 DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
05:06:40 WE HAVE A MOTION TO WAIVE THE RULES.
05:06:42 SECOND.
05:06:44 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:06:45 OPPOSED?
05:06:46 THE RULES HAVE BEEN WAIVED BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT.
05:06:48 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AND IT'S GOING TO BE AFTER THE --
05:06:54 >>> THE MOTION IS FOR THIS GENTLEMAN TO PRESENT UP TO TEN
05:06:56 MINUTES AFTER THE ATU PRESENTATION.
05:07:01 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
05:07:03 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:07:04 ANY OPPOSED?
05:07:06 YES?
05:07:06 >>LYNN HURTAK: I'LL SECOND IT.
05:07:11 AND MY ONLY REQUEST, MR. VIERA, IS YOU CAN GIVE HIM SOME
05:07:15 PARAMETERS.
05:07:18 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, MA'AM.
05:07:19 >>LYNN HURTAK: SO HE'S NOT JUST TALKING, BUT TELL HIM WHAT
05:07:23 WE WANT TO HEAR.
05:07:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR?
05:07:31 ALL RIGHT.
05:07:31 OPPOSED?
05:07:33 CONGRATULATIONS.
05:07:33 >>LUIS VIERA: LAST, IF I MAY, THE JUNIOR LEAGUE OF TAMPA
05:07:37 FOR DIAPER NEED AWARENESS WEEK, THEY HAVE REQUESTED A
05:07:42 COMMENDATION AND I WISH TO GIVE IT TO THEM.
05:07:44 I WILL DO IT OFF-SITE.
05:07:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION.
05:07:47 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
05:07:49 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:07:50 OPPOSED?
05:07:50 >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES, SIR, I HAVE THREE THINGS.
05:07:55 FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION AS ADRIA COLINA, AND
05:08:04 MOVE THAT SHE COME BEFORE COUNCIL AND TO GIVE US AN UPDATE
05:08:07 ON HANNA CITY CENTER IN TERMS OF FACILITY USE AND FUTURE
05:08:10 PLANS, JUST TO GET AN UPDATE ON THAT SPACE AND WHAT'S GOING
05:08:14 ON, THE EFFORTS OF PUBLIC COMMENTS ABOUT IT.
05:08:17 AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE FUTURE PLANS.
05:08:20 SO JUST TO BE VERY TRANSPARENT ABOUT -- YOU KNOW WHAT?
05:08:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU WANT TO GET WITH HER AND COME
05:08:35 BACK AND GIVE US AN UPDATE NEXT WEEK?
05:08:38 >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHAT'S AVAILABLE?
05:08:40 THANK YOU.
05:08:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OCTOBER 17 UNDER STAFF REPORT.
05:08:43 >>GWEN HENDERSON: AND CHARLIE SECONDED IT.
05:08:46 I WANT IT IN PERSON.
05:08:47 I WANT TRANSPARENCY. I WANT THE PUBLIC TO HEAR IT.
05:08:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN
05:08:51 HENDERSON FOR OCTOBER 17 UNDER STAFF REPORTS, SECONDED BY
05:08:55 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
05:08:55 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:08:56 OPPOSED?
05:08:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
05:08:58 JUST A REMINDER, OCTOBER 17th IS NOW AT YOUR LIMIT.
05:09:03 >>GWEN HENDERSON: WITH THAT MOTION?
05:09:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WITH THAT MOTION.
05:09:06 >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
05:09:08 AND THE OTHER TWO ARE REALLY JUST ANNOUNCEMENTS.
05:09:11 FIRST, NEXT WEEK, JULIAN B LANE, I AM GOING TO BE PRESENTING
05:09:16 QUITE A FEW SUGGESTIONS, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.
05:09:20 COULD I GIVE THOSE TO COUNCIL IN ADVANCE JUST FOR EFFICIENCY
05:09:23 IN A MEMO?
05:09:24 BECAUSE I NOTICED --
05:09:26 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
05:09:27 >>GWEN HENDERSON: JUST FOR EFFICIENCY.
05:09:28 BUT ALSO IF YOU HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL.
05:09:33 THEY CAN'T SHARE BUT FEEL FREE TO AT LEAST BRING THEM BEFORE
05:09:36 COUNCIL ON THAT DAY.
05:09:38 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
05:09:39 >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
05:09:40 THEN THE OTHER ONE, DARLEEN PUT IT DOWN.
05:09:43 I JUST WANT TO THANK THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OFFICE BEHIND
05:10:00 ME. THIS IS THE NATIONAL HBCU WEEK. MAKE IT A LITTLE
05:10:03 LARGER, DARLEEN.
05:10:04 NATIONAL HBCU WEEK, WHICH HISTORICALLY BLACK COLLEGES AND
05:10:09 UNIVERSITIES AS CLASSIFIED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF
05:10:12 PRIMARILY HISTORIC BLACK INSTITUTIONS BUILT, IN EXISTENCE
05:10:17 BEFORE THE 1960s, AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT LAST YEAR WE HAD
05:10:21 AN EVENT HERE IN THE SISTER CITY ROOM WHERE WE CELEBRATED
05:10:26 THAT WITH STAFF, AND PEOPLE CAME BY AND CELEBRATED, PEOPLE
05:10:30 WHO GRADUATED FROM THOSE INSTITUTIONS AND OTHER FOLKS AS
05:10:33 WELL.
05:10:34 SO THIS YEAR I WANTED TO ACTIVATE THE HANNA CENTER BECAUSE
05:10:40 IT HAD KIND OF LIKE A QUADRANGLE YARD SPACE.
05:10:45 SO I INVITED THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS GRADUATES, AND WE ARE
05:10:48 CELEBRATING HBCU WEEK IN THE HANNA CENTER.
05:10:53 I WANT TO THANK COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, DAVID HERRERA, HIS
05:10:58 TITLE IS DIGITAL CONTENT CREATOR.
05:11:00 HE UTILIZED A PHOTOGRAPH, I MEAN A PICTURE, PAINTED BY
05:11:09 MICHELLE TURKIN, A LOCAL ARTIST, AND IS REALLY A REPLICA OF
05:11:16 MY GRADUATION EXPERIENCE, BUT HE INCORPORATED THAT WITH THE
05:11:23 COLORS, AND VANESSA NETTINGHAM AND FRANK, AND SONIA, AND
05:11:25 EVERYBODY ELSE WHO WORKED DOWN THERE, JANELL McGREGOR, FOR
05:11:30 HELPING ME PUT THIS TOGETHER, AND HOPEFULLY YOU ALL CAN STOP
05:11:32 BY AND FREE FOOD TRUCKS -- NOT FREE, I'M SORRY, FOOD TRUCKS
05:11:36 AND MUSIC, VENDORS, JUST FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS, AND
05:11:39 HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WILL TURN INTO AN
05:11:42 ANNUAL EVENT.
05:11:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
05:11:46 I AM GOING TO PROBABLY BE THERE AROUND 4:00.
05:11:48 >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU CAN WEAR A PWI-T-SHIRT IF YOU WANT.
05:11:56 THE GOOD VIBES.
05:11:57 AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S DEFINITELY GOING TO TAKE PLACE,
05:12:03 FRANKIE BEVERLY, WONDERFUL MUSICIAN, PASSED AWAY LAST WEEK,
05:12:07 AND HIS MUSIC IS VERY BIG IN HBCU CULTURE SO YOU WILL HEAR A
05:12:12 LOT OF HIS MUSIC BEING PLAYED THAT DAY.
05:12:14 SO IT'S KIND OF OLD SCHOOL, AND I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT A LOT
05:12:17 OF OLDER HISTORICALLY BLACK COLLEGE GRADUATES ARE COMING,
05:12:21 WHICH IS REALLY GREAT, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT IT TO BE A YOUNG
05:12:26 PEOPLE THING.
05:12:27 I REALLY WANT TO ACTIVATE OUR SENIOR CITIZENS TO COME OUT
05:12:30 AND HANG OUT AND HAVE FUN.
05:12:33 SO THANK YOU.
05:12:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:12:35 COUNCILMEMBER CLENDENIN.
05:12:37 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK WE HAVE ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT
05:12:40 I REQUIRE LIQUOR TO GO ANYWHERE.
05:12:42 [ LAUGHTER ]
05:12:50 I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY.
05:12:51 NEXT WEEK AT THE WORKSHOP, KEEPING IT LIGHT, BECAUSE WE HAVE
05:12:56 KICKED THE ISSUE ON PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS PDs EVERY TIME WE
05:13:01 PUT THIS ON THE SCHEDULE, WE HAVE LOADED THE SCHEDULE UP,
05:13:04 AND KEEP DEFERRING THE AUTHORIZATION.
05:13:06 SO I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING ONE OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS
05:13:08 THAT I REALLY WANTED TO HAVE SINCE I FIRST JOINED COUNCIL.
05:13:12 I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT DISCUSSION.
05:13:14 SO IF YOU GUYS WILL COME READY TO TALK ABOUT THAT NEXT WEEK,
05:13:20 SO WE CAN HAVE TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT.
05:13:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:13:24 COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
05:13:24 >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
05:13:27 SOMETIMES I WISH YOU WOULD START ON THIS SIDE BECAUSE PEOPLE
05:13:30 TOOK MY PIECE.
05:13:31 [ LAUGHTER ]
05:13:35 THAT'S OKAY.
05:13:39 I MOVE TO HAVE STAFF PRESENT A WRITTEN REPORT ON THE NUMBER
05:13:41 OF LEASES WE HAVE WITH THE GTE BUILDING AT 711 EAST
05:13:47 HENDERSON AVENUE, THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES THAT ARE HOUSED AT
05:13:50 THE GTE BUILDING PERMANENT AND PERSONNEL DURING THE EOC
05:13:54 OPERATIONS, THE AMOUNT WE PAY FOR EACH LEASE AND THE
05:13:57 BEGINNING AND END DATE OF EACH LEASE TO INCLUDE CURRENT AND
05:14:00 FORMER LEASES.
05:14:01 I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A WRITTEN REPORT ON THE OCTOBER
05:14:03 17th, 2024 AGENDA.
05:14:05 AND THE REASON I WANT THIS IS BECAUSE DURING MY PREP MEETING
05:14:08 I FOUND OUT THAT WE ARE NOW HOUSING THE WATER FOLKS THERE.
05:14:12 SO WE HAVE LIKE FOUR LEASES WITH THAT ONE BUILDING.
05:14:16 I WANT TO FIND OUT, THIS KIND OF GOES WITH YOURS BUT THIS IS
05:14:19 GOING TO BE A WRITTEN REPORT ON THE SAME DATE.
05:14:21 SO IT SHOULD HELP THAT CONVERSATION GO FORWARD.
05:14:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
05:14:28 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:14:29 YES, MA'AM.
05:14:29 >>LYNN HURTAK: LAST YEAR, AFTER THE BUDGET CYCLE, WE ASKED
05:14:34 TO HAVE THE COVER SHEET AMENDED SOMEWHAT, AND LAST YEAR
05:14:37 ASKED FOR BOTH THE ACCOUNT NUMBERS THAT FUNDS ARE TO AND
05:14:41 FROM AND I ASKED FOR THE NAMES.
05:14:43 THE NAMES NEVER HAPPENED.
05:14:44 SO I AM GOING TO MOVE AGAIN, I MOVE TO HAVE AGENDA ITEM
05:14:48 COVER SHEETS AND RESOLUTIONS TO INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING
05:14:52 INFORMATION:
05:14:53 THE NAME AND THE ACCOUNT NUMBER THAT THE FUND WERE
05:14:55 TRANSFERRED TO, AND THE NAME AND ACCOUNT NUMBER THAT THE
05:15:00 FUNDS ARE TRANSFERRED FROM, TO BEGIN WITH OCTOBER 17, 2024
05:15:03 UNDER THE PROJECTED COST PORTION OF THE COVER SHEET.
05:15:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
05:15:08 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:15:09 ANY OPPOSED?
05:15:11 >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE COMMUNICATED AND THIS GOES BACK TO
05:15:15 ITEM NUMBER 36 FROM THIS MORNING, COMMUNICATED WITH MS.
05:15:18 KOPESKY AND DIRECTOR MULKEY REGARDING PARKS AND REC LIGHTING
05:15:23 INSTALLATION PROJECT, PEOPLE ARE VERY INTERESTED IN WHICH
05:15:24 PLACES ARE GETTING THE LIGHTS. SO THROUGH FY 2026 WE HAVE A
05:15:29 $6.3 MILLION BUDGET WHICH IS A SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENT FOR
05:15:33 THIS DEPARTMENT.
05:15:34 SO I MOVE TO HAVE TONY MULKEY PROVIDE A QUARTERLY WRITTEN
05:15:38 REPORT STARTING ON JANUARY 1, 2025, TO INCLUDE THE LOCATIONS
05:15:43 WITH ESTIMATED START AND END DATES, AND BUDGET PROJECTIONS.
05:15:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMEMBER
05:15:49 HURTAK, SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER HENDERSON. ALL IN FAVOR?
05:15:54 >>LYNN HURTAK: IT STARTS IN JANUARY.
05:15:58 THIS IS SPECIFICALLY FROM HIM.
05:16:00 WE ALWAYS CHECK DATES.
05:16:01 THAT'S WHEN THEY ARE REALLY FAR IN ADVANCE.
05:16:04 THAT'S WHAT HE SAID WOULD BE GOOD.
05:16:07 AND THEN TODAY, AS PART OF A WRITTEN REPORT, WE GOT THE
05:16:10 QUARTERLY UPDATED STORMWATER.
05:16:12 HOWEVER, IN THE QUARTERLY UPDATED STORMWATER SUBMITTED AS A
05:16:16 WRITTEN STAFF REPORT TODAY THE SOUTH HOWARD TIMELINE STATES
05:16:19 THAT THE PROJECT IS ON HOLD.
05:16:22 PEOPLE -- THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION REACHED OUT TO ME TO
05:16:25 REQUEST AN UPDATE SO I REACHED OUT TO MR. BHIDE, AND HE SAID
05:16:35 THAT HE CAN GIVE US A BRIEF UPDATE ON OCTOBER 17TH, AND
05:16:35 THERE ARE CURRENTLY NOW SEVEN IN PERSON STAFF REPORTS ON
05:16:38 OCTOBER 17 BUT ONE OF THEM IS THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT TO
05:16:41 PROVIDE A FIVE MINUTE QUARTERLY UPDATE ON ROAD REPAIRS.
05:16:44 I WOULD LIKE TO ADD A BRIEF UPDATE ON THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD
05:16:48 RELIEF PROJECT TO THE IN-PERSON STAFF REPORT.
05:16:52 >> SECOND.
05:16:53 >>LYNN HURTAK: THE ONLY REASON IS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE VERY
05:16:56 CONCERNED TO HEAR THIS.
05:17:01 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED, IT'S GOING
05:17:01 TO GET A LOT OF ATTENTION, I THINK NOVEMBER 7 IS WIDE OPEN.
05:17:04 >>LYNN HURTAK: THEN I WILL MOVE IT TO NOVEMBER 7th.
05:17:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND SECOND.
05:17:13 YES?
05:17:15 >>BILL CARLSON: I HAD HEARD THAT THERE WAS A PRESENTATION
05:17:17 COMING UP ANYWAY ON THIS BUT I AM HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS.
05:17:20 THE OTHER THING, THOUGH, IS THAT THERE ARE FOLKS THAT DON'T
05:17:24 LIKE THE SPECIFIC ROUTE, WHEN YOU DO ENGINEERING, YOU SHOULD
05:17:27 NEVER PRESENT ONE ROUTE, AND THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT OBJECT TO
05:17:30 THE PARTICULAR ROUTE THAT WAS APPROACHED.
05:17:32 AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS ASK THE ADMINISTRATION TO PRESENT
05:17:36 A DESIGN-ONLY OR DESIGN TO PUBLIC INPUT PROJECT, NOT A
05:17:41 DESIGN BUILD, BECAUSE DESIGN BUILD IMPLIES THAT THEY ARE
05:17:43 GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH EITHER ONE ROUTE OR LIMITED
05:17:49 NUMBER OF ROUTES.
05:17:50 SO I WANTED TO PUT THAT THE OUT IN ANTICIPATION OF THIS
05:17:54 DISCUSSION.
05:17:55 THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO FIX THIS RIGHT AWAY AND PEOPLE
05:17:59 THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ROUTE.
05:18:00 I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T INADVERTENTLY PUSH THIS IN THE
05:18:04 WRONG DIRECTION WITHOUT INPUT INTO THE ROUTES.
05:18:06 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: REFRESH PEOPLE'S MEMORIES. WE TOOK A
05:18:07 VOTE AND DIDN'T SUPPORT THAT.
05:18:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.
05:18:15 THERE IS A WRITTEN STAFF REPORT ON OCTOBER 17th, STAFF
05:18:18 TO PROVIDE A WRITTEN REPORT ON USING BRISTOL AVENUE AND
05:18:22 BYPASS THE NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH BY THE WAY, THE MOTION DOES
05:18:26 NOT STATE WHICH NEIGHBORHOODS.
05:18:27 SO I DON'T KNOW.
05:18:28 >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT THAT'S A WRITTEN REPORT.
05:18:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: RIGHT.
05:18:31 AS THEY WOULD WORK TO RESOLVE THE FLOODING ISSUES AND
05:18:37 COUNCIL WILL NOT FUND A PLAN THAT PLACES --
05:18:40 >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
05:18:41 SO WHAT I WILL DO, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WILL TAKE THAT
05:18:45 WRITTEN REPORT AND ADD IT -- WOULD YOU MIND IF THE WRITTEN
05:18:49 REPORT IS ADDED TO THE VERBAL REPORT FROM MR. BHIDE ON
05:18:55 NOVEMBER 9th SO WE ARE ALL TALKING ABOUT IT THE SAME
05:18:58 TIME?
05:19:00 >>BILL CARLSON: THAT'S THE ONE THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT
05:19:03 BUT I COULDN'T FIND IT REAL FAST.
05:19:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND?
05:19:07 >>LYNN HURTAK: THE MOTION IS FOR MR. BHIDE -- I HAVE THIS
05:19:14 WRITTEN DOWN SO I WILL HAND IT TO YOU -- THAT MR. BHIDE
05:19:18 PROVIDE US AN UPDATE ON THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF
05:19:23 PROJECT, AN INNER PERSON STAFF REPORT ON NOVEMBER 7th,
05:19:27 AND TO FOLD IN COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S OCTOBER 17th WRITTEN
05:19:35 STAFF REPORT.
05:19:36 ON THE SAME ITEMS.
05:19:37 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WILL THIS BE PART OF THE QUARTERLY UPDATE?
05:19:44 >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, THE QUARTERLY UPDATE IS ON THE 17TH.
05:19:49 >>MARTIN SHELBY: OH, NOVEMBER 7th.
05:19:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR?
05:19:54 OPPOSED?
05:19:56 >>LYNN HURTAK: THEN MY FINAL ONE, TODAY'S MARATHON ALCOHOL
05:20:01 BEVERAGE SESSION REMINDED ME ON JANUARY 25, 2024 WE HAD AN
05:20:05 AB SUSPENSION HEARING FOR CIGARS AT 2401 NORTH FLORIDA
05:20:10 AVENUE AND AT THAT TIME IT CAME TO LIFE THAT WORK HAD BEEN
05:20:13 DONE WITHOUT PERMITS AND THE BUSINESS WAS OPERATING WITHOUT
05:20:15 A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
05:20:17 I WANT STAFF TO PROVIDE AN IN PERSON UPDATE ON THE STATUS OF
05:20:20 THE GRAND CATHEDRAL AND THE STATUS OF THEIR VIOLATIONS ON
05:20:21 OCTOBER 3rd, 2024.
05:20:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
05:20:25 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:20:27 ANY OPPOSED?
05:20:28 ALL RIGHT.
05:20:29 ANYTHING ELSE?
05:20:31 COUNCILMEMBER CARLSON.
05:20:32 >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE FOUR PROPOSALS.
05:20:41 BUT NEXT WEEK, THERE'S ALSO DISCUSSION ABOUT PARKING FOR
05:20:45 CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.
05:20:47 YOU ALL HEARD IN PUBLIC COMMENT THIS MORNING THAT PEOPLE
05:20:50 THAT LIVE ADJACENT TO THE RITZ CARLTON PROJECT ARE UPSET
05:20:54 BECAUSE THEY CLAIM THE STAFF APPROVED A PARKING LAYOUT FOR
05:20:59 CONSTRUCTION THAT TAKES UP THEIR SPACE.
05:21:02 AND THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING ALL OVER THE CITY.
05:21:05 FOLKS KNOW THAT CONSTRUCTION IS COMING.
05:21:07 BUT, FOR EXAMPLE, OXFORD EXCHANGE A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN THE
05:21:11 BUILDING WAS BUILT ACROSS THE STREET NOBODY EXPECTED THEY
05:21:14 WOULD SHUT DOWN THREE ROADS AND SOMETHING LIKE 50, 60
05:21:16 PARKING SPACES, SO THERE'S A DISCUSSION TO TALK ABOUT HOW
05:21:19 COULD CITY COUNCIL BETTER REGULATOR GET INVOLVED WITH
05:21:22 CONSTRUCTION PARKING, SO PLEASE THINK ABOUT THAT.
05:21:25 AND DON'T FORGET ON THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT, IT MIGHT NEED
05:21:28 TO BE RENAMED BECAUSE THERE'S OPPOSITION TO IT GOING ON
05:21:30 HOWARD, BUT AT THE VERY LEAST WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A
05:21:34 DESIGN TO PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS INSTEAD OF PUSHING JUST ONE
05:21:38 THING.
05:21:39 ALSO, I SENT TWO OF THESE OUT ALREADY TO YOU ALL SO YOU HAVE
05:21:43 SEEN THEM.
05:21:44 BUT THERE WAS A PUBLIC MEETING ON TUESDAY NIGHT WHILE WE
05:21:48 WERE IN OUR BUDGET HEARING, AND ON HARBOUR ISLAND TO DISCUSS
05:21:53 A TRAFFIC LIGHT AT GRECO PLAZA ON FRANKLIN STREET, THAT THE
05:21:57 HARBOR ISLAND PEOPLE DON'T WANT.
05:21:59 SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK MOBILITY STAFF TO
05:22:02 APPEAR ON OCTOBER 3rd WITH DOCUMENTATION INCLUDING
05:22:05 TRAFFIC WARRANTS, SUPPORTING THE DECISION TO PUT A STOPLIGHT
05:22:08 ON FRANKLIN AND WATER STREET AND THE PROPOSED LIGHT AT DICK
05:22:14 GRECO PLAZA. I WOULD ASK LEGAL STAFF TO APPEAR WITH A LIST
05:22:17 OF ACTIONS CITY COUNCIL CAN TAKE TO PREVENT THE INSTALLATION
05:22:19 OF THESE STOP LIGHTS.
05:22:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER CARLSON,
05:22:24 SECONDED BY VIERA.
05:22:25 >>GWEN HENDERSON: I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU A QUESTION,
05:22:30 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:22:31 WHEN YOU SAY THAT THEY DON'T WANT A TRAFFIC LIGHT, I NEED
05:22:34 YOU TO CLARIFY THAT.
05:22:37 IS IT A GROUP OF PEOPLE OR HOW MANY PEOPLE, OR IS IT THE
05:22:41 ENTIRE COMMUNITY?
05:22:42 >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY HAVE ANY WAY TO POLL
05:22:46 THE COMMUNITY BUT I CAN TELL YOU IT'S A LARGE NUMBER OF
05:22:48 FOLKS.
05:22:52 YES.
05:22:52 AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE MERITS OF IT ON THAT DAY.
05:22:57 BUT THE POINT IS TO BRING THE STAFF BACK SO WE CAN HAVE A
05:23:00 PUBLIC CONVERSATION.
05:23:00 WE WERE NOT ABLE TO PARTICIPATE ON TUESDAY NIGHT SO THIS WAY
05:23:03 WE WILL BE ABLE TO AND THE COMMUNITY CAN COME, THOSE WHO ARE
05:23:06 IN FAVOR CAN SHOW UP.
05:23:08 >>GWEN HENDERSON: I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WHEN YOU SAY ALL,
05:23:12 I WANT TO MAKE SURE HOW MANY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
05:23:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND SECOND.
05:23:17 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:23:18 >>BILL CARLSON: THEN NUMBER TWO, THE FIRST ONE WAS JUST A
05:23:28 COMMENT.
05:23:28 NUMBER TWO IS THIS ISSUE OF CEMETERIES KEEPS COMING UP.
05:23:33 AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD PRIVATE OWN R OWNERS OF
05:23:36 CEMETERIES.
05:23:37 SOME OF THEM HAVE A LOT OF MONEY, SOME DON'T.
05:23:39 SOME ARE FOR PROFIT, SOME ARE NONPROFIT, SOME ARE GOVERNMENT
05:23:43 AGENCIES.
05:23:44 I DON'T KNOW SOME OF UP THAT WEREN'T HERE MAY NOT REMEMBER
05:23:47 BUT UNDER OVER HERE THERE WERE CEMETERIES FOUND UNDER THE
05:23:51 EXPRESSWAY.
05:23:53 THERE ARE SOME IN WEST TAMPA.
05:23:55 SO THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE JUST ABOUT ONE ORGANIZATION.
05:23:58 I THINK ULTIMATELY THE CITY -- I THINK THE CITY SHOULD END
05:24:02 UP OWNING EITHER THE CEMETERIES EASEMENT TO THE CEMETERIES
05:24:07 SO NOBODY CAN BUILD ON TOP OF IT BUT WHAT HAPPENED IN THE
05:24:09 PAST IS SOME PROPERTY OWNERS, BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE MONEY,
05:24:12 CAN JUST GIVE THEM UP AND NOT DO ANYTHING WITH THEM, BUT NOT
05:24:15 EVERYBODY CAN AFFORD TO DO THAT.
05:24:16 SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK CITY STAFF TO HELP
05:24:20 COUNCIL WITH A FEBRUARY 27 WORKSHOP DISCUSSION ABOUT THE
05:24:24 POSSIBILITY OF CREATING A CITY FUND TO ASSIST PROPERTY
05:24:28 OWNERS WITH AN ANALYSIS TO DETERMINE IF A PROPERTY CONTAINS
05:24:33 LOST GRAVES AND DIVIDE THE PROPERTY AND/OR EASEMENT TO
05:24:36 PROTECT THE GRAVES, SO IT WOULD HELP PAY FOR -- WHAT HAPPENS
05:24:42 IF YOU ARE AN INDEPENDENT PROPERTY OWNER, AND WE HAVE HAD
05:24:45 SYNAGOGUE COME BEFORE US, RIGHT?
05:24:47 SO WHATEVER THE COST IS OF GROUND PENETRATING RADAR, THEY
05:24:51 HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.
05:24:52 BUT THEN IF THEY PAY FOR IT, IF THE PUBLIC DOESN'T AGREE
05:24:56 WITH THE RESPONSE TO IT, THEN THEY HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN
05:24:58 POTENTIALLY.
05:24:59 IF THE CITY PAYS FOR IT AND OFFERS TO RUN IT, THEN AT LEAST
05:25:03 THAT'S ALLEVIATING THAT OBJECTION THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT HAVE.
05:25:05 AND IT MIGHT HELP US TO BETTER THE GET CONTROL OF SOME OF
05:25:09 THESE PROPERTIES.
05:25:10 >> I'LL SECOND.
05:25:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND SECOND.
05:25:12 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:25:14 YOU KNOW, IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER THAT WE DON'T CARE, YOU
05:25:17 KNOW.
05:25:17 I THINK WE GO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHEN IT COMES -- WE JUST HAD
05:25:22 THIS MOTION.
05:25:23 I THINK --
05:25:27 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ARE WE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN?
05:25:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, WE DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT.
05:25:32 [ LAUGHTER ]
05:25:34 >>BILL CARLSON: TWO MORE THINGS.
05:25:35 AFTER THE MEETING AT LUNCH, WE HAD LIKE SEVEN OR EIGHT
05:25:38 CONSULTANTS HERE FOR THE WASTE ENERGY PLANT.
05:25:41 AND YOU ALL KNOW A YEAR OR SO AGO I ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT
05:25:46 THE 20 YEAR PLAN, WHAT'S THE 30-YEAR PLAN, AND WE DIDN'T GET
05:25:50 COMPLETE ANSWERS.
05:25:51 IN FIVE MINUTES, I TALKED TO THEM, AND THEY HAVE ALL THE
05:25:53 ANSWERS.
05:25:54 THEY HAVE GREAT ANSWERS, LIKE THE QUESTION I ASKED THIS
05:25:56 MORNING, DID WE DO AN ANALYSIS TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD COST FOR
05:25:59 THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO RUN THIS INSTEAD OF US DOING IT?
05:26:03 AND THEY SAID YES.
05:26:04 AND SO OF THE NUMBERS THEY TALKED ABOUT PUBLICLY, BUT JUST
05:26:07 IN FIVE MINUTES OF TALKING TO THEM, THEY HAVE THE NUMBERS,
05:26:10 THEY DID THE ANALYSIS, AND BASED ON THE CURRENT NUMBERS THAT
05:26:14 THEY SHOWED THIS MORNING, THIS PROJECT IS BENEFICIAL TO THE
05:26:18 PUBLIC THAT THE CITY TOOK IT OVER.
05:26:21 THIS IS A POSITIVE CASE STUDY.
05:26:23 AND IF YOU COMPARE IT, ASKED THE QUESTION OF THEM, IF YOU
05:26:26 COMPARE IT TO THE COST TODAY, IF WE HAD TO HIRE ONE OF THOSE
05:26:29 COMPANIES TO TAKE IT OVER TODAY, WHAT WOULD THAT COST BE?
05:26:32 BECAUSE THE COST HAVE GONE WAY, WAY UP.
05:26:36 WHAT IT WILL SHOW BASED ON WHAT THEY TOLD ME THIS MORNING IS
05:26:38 THAT THE CITY MADE A GREAT DECISION.
05:26:40 I WAS NOT INVOLVED WITH THE DECISION.
05:26:42 I THINK I HELPED VOTE FOR IT.
05:26:43 BUT IT TURNS OUT THE CITY MADE A GREAT DECISION TO DO IT.
05:26:47 I THINK WE NEED TO SHOW TRANSPARENCY IN THOSE NUMBERS,
05:26:50 BECAUSE IT WILL HELP THE PUBLIC GAIN CONFIDENCE THAT THE
05:26:54 CITY DID THE RIGHT THING.
05:26:55 SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK CITY STAFF AND THE
05:26:58 CONSULTANTS TO PRESENT ON FEBRUARY 20th AS TO A
05:27:01 COMPARISON OF THE ORIGINAL PROJECTED COST OF THE WASTE TO
05:27:04 ENERGY PLANT TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR'S OFFER AT THE TIME AND
05:27:08 COMPARE THOSE TO THE ACTUAL COSTS AS OF THIS DATE, THAT
05:27:13 DATE, AND THE CURRENT PRIVATE SECTOR COSTS.
05:27:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION.
05:27:17 AND A SECOND.
05:27:18 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:27:22 >>BILL CARLSON: FEBRUARY 20.
05:27:23 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN I ASK A QUESTION?
05:27:30 TO WHAT THEN?
05:27:32 BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S AN AWFUL LOT OF STAFF WORK AND
05:27:35 MONEY.
05:27:35 >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT HAPPENED WHEN YOU
05:27:40 WERE HERE BUT IN THE BEGINNING, YOU ASKED ABOUT PROJECTS,
05:27:44 AND THE PUBLIC WAS VERY CONCERNED BECAUSE WE HAD ABOUT FOUR
05:27:46 DIFFERENT SESSIONS WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT IT.
05:27:49 AND THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT WERE NOT ANSWERED.
05:27:51 SO THERE WERE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT
05:27:54 THE TRANSPARENCY AT THAT TIME.
05:27:56 IN TALKING TO STAFF AND THE CONSULTANTS THIS MORNING, ALL
05:27:58 THAT DATA EXIST BUT IT'S NEVER BEEN PRESENTED TO US OR TO
05:28:01 THE PUBLIC.
05:28:02 AND SINCE IT'S A VERY POSITIVE SUCCESS STORY, I WOULD
05:28:05 SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE IT PRESENTED.
05:28:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION SECOND.
05:28:11 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:28:12 OPPOSED?
05:28:12 ANYTHING ELSE?
05:28:13 >>BILL CARLSON: I SENT THIS ONE OUT, TOO.
05:28:16 I DON'T AGREE WITH HAVING A QUOTE-UNQUOTE CRA IN THE SULPHUR
05:28:20 SPRINGS AREA, BUT I DID TALK TO THE CFO ABOUT THE
05:28:23 POSSIBILITY, AND OTHERS ABOUT CREATING A BUDGET FOCUS AREA
05:28:27 OR A VIRTUAL CRA, AND SO THAT WOULD BE WE WOULD CHECK THE
05:28:33 AD VALOREM TAXES THAT ARE COLLECTED WITHIN A CERTAIN
05:28:36 GEOGRAPHIC AREA NOW, AND WE WOULD TRACK IT EVERY YEAR JUST
05:28:39 AS A SEPARATE BUDGET ITEM THAT WE WOULD TRACK, AND THEN LEE
05:28:42 COSTS OF WHAT WE ARE SPENDING IN SULPHUR SPRINGS RIGHT NOW,
05:28:45 AND THEN TRACK THAT EVERY YEAR THEREAFTER.
05:28:47 BUT UNLIKE A CRA, WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO DO ANYTHING, BUT WE
05:28:50 CAN LOOK AT THAT AS INFORMATION TO DECIDE IF WE WANT TO
05:28:53 SPEND MORE OR LESS.
05:28:54 SO IF SOME BIG DEVELOPER MOVES IN AND MAKES A BIG VOTE.,
05:28:58 THEN THE AD VALOREM TAXES GO UP AND WE COULD DECIDE TO SPEND
05:29:01 MORE.
05:29:03 SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK THE CFO TO RESEARCH
05:29:07 THE POSSIBILITY OF CREATING A VIRTUAL CRA OR BUDGET FOCUS
05:29:11 AREA FOR SULPHUR SPRINGS AND REPORT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL ON
05:29:13 DECEMBER 5th.
05:29:14 THE IDEA WOULD BE TO DRAW A BOUNDARY AROUND SULPHUR SPRINGS
05:29:18 AS IF IT WAS A CRA DISTRICT AND COUNT THE CURRENT AND FUTURE
05:29:24 TAXES, AND THIS WOULD BE AN ANNUAL BUDGETING TOOL TO ENABLE
05:29:27 CITY COUNCIL AND ADMINISTRATION TO DETERMINE HOW MORE
05:29:30 INVESTMENTS SHOULD BE MADE IN SUM FUR SPRINGS, UNLIKE BE A
05:29:33 REAL CRA THE BUDGET WOULD NOT BE LIMITED TO ANY NEW
05:29:35 AD VALOREM TAXES OR THE LACK OF THEM.
05:29:39 IN ADDITION THE CITY WOULD NOT BE CONSTRAINED BY CRA RULES
05:29:42 OR REQUIREMENTS.
05:29:43 THIS IS ONLY THE ASKING THE CFO TO TALK ABOUT THE
05:29:46 POSSIBILITY OF IT AND HE AND I ALREADY DISCUSSED IT.
05:29:49 IT IS POSSIBLE.
05:29:50 WE ARE NOT ASKING TO DO A REPORT YET.
05:29:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A SECOND FOR DISCUSSION?
05:29:55 IT'S GOING TO BE HENDERSON.
05:29:59 HURTAK.
05:30:01 THEN CLENDENIN.
05:30:02 AND THEN VIERA.
05:30:03 >>GWEN HENDERSON: I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING THIS
05:30:06 MOTION IN WRITING TO US BECAUSE IT GAVE ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO
05:30:10 DO A LITTLE DIGGING.
05:30:13 AND ON SEPTEMBER 5th WE APPROVED $250,000 FOR THE
05:30:18 NEIGHBORHOOD ACTION PLAN FOR SULPHUR SPRINGS.
05:30:20 AND SO LET THAT PROCESS PLAY ITSELF OUT.
05:30:24 WE HAVE ALREADY APPROVED THAT.
05:30:25 THERE'S MONEY ALLOCATED FOR IT.
05:30:27 AND SO IF WE JUST ALLOWED THAT FUNCTION TO WORK AND TO SEE
05:30:34 WHAT HAPPENED, THEN MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT A RECOMMENDATION
05:30:37 FOR THE CFO TO GET INVOLVED WITH SOME ADDITIONAL RESEARCH.
05:30:41 I JUST THINK THAT WE HAVE ALREADY INVESTED IN A PLAN THAT WE
05:30:45 JUST APPROVED.
05:30:47 WHAT'S TODAY?
05:30:48 THE 8th, LIKE TWO WEEKS AGO.
05:30:52 I THINK THAT IS A BETTER OPPORTUNITY FOR US BECAUSE WE HAVE
05:30:56 ALREADY DIRECTED STAFF, AND I THINK THERE'S A CONSULTANT
05:30:59 INVOLVED, TOO AS WELL.
05:31:01 SO I DON'T WANT TO SUPPORT IT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE THE
05:31:04 NEIGHBORHOOD ACTION PLAN.
05:31:06 THANK YOU.
05:31:07 >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAD THE SAME SENTIMENT.
05:31:09 WE JUST APPROVED THIS.
05:31:11 BUT I THINK THAT YOU COULD TAKE YOUR MOTION AND COMBINE IT
05:31:15 AS PART OF THE ACTION PLAN TO WORK WITH THE CONSULTANTS,
05:31:19 BECAUSE I THINK THE IDEA OF SEEING WHAT THAT TEXT REVENUE
05:31:29 WOULD BE BUT THEY ALREADY HAVE AN OUTLINE OF THE AREA.
05:31:31 SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU WORK WITH THEM AND THEN COME
05:31:36 BACK AND HAVE YOURS BE IN TANDEM WITH IT.
05:31:39 IT WOULD BE A SEPARATE MOTION OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE THAT'S NOT
05:31:42 PART OF THEIR SCOPE OF WORK, BUT TO IN THAT SAME LIKE VEIN.
05:31:47 I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA, BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
05:31:53 IT DOESN'T COMPETE WITH THE ACTION PLAN THAT'S COMING.
05:32:00 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK HAVING THE DISCUSSION, OF COURSE,
05:32:09 IT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT PREMATURE AS THE CITY COUNCIL PERSON
05:32:13 JUST DISCUSSED.
05:32:15 ALSO, ON THE MERITS OF THE ISSUE, CLEARLY SULPHUR SPRINGS
05:32:19 NEEDS A LOT OF INVESTMENT, PROBABLY MORE INVESTMENT THAN WE
05:32:22 CAN AFFORD, AND WE ALREADY KNOW OUR BUDGET IS SO
05:32:25 CONSTRAINED, GOD HELP US IF THE C.I.T. DOESN'T PASS.
05:32:29 BUT WHO IS LEFT TO PAY THE BILLS AS WE CREATE ALL OF THESE
05:32:36 DISTRICTS.
05:32:37 THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE -- THE REST OF THE CITY IS GOING TO
05:32:42 BE LACKING.
05:32:50 BUT WE ARE NOT RESTRICTED TO INVESTING.
05:32:54 MONEY IS AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW.
05:32:56 BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY AN ECONOMICALLY DEPRESSED AREA, THEY
05:32:58 PROBABLY DON'T CREATE THAT TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT.
05:33:03 IF WE ARE ABLE TO AGREE UP MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE, I DON'T
05:33:06 KNOW THAT WE SHOULD BE RESTRICTED TO WHAT IS COLLECTED IN
05:33:10 THAT AREA BUT IT MAY BE AN AREA THAT NEEDS MORE AFFIRMATIVE
05:33:13 ACTION TO BE ABLE TO GET TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.
05:33:15 I THINK OUR FUTURE LAND USE CHANGES UP THERE ARE GOING TO
05:33:18 HELP SIGNIFICANTLY, IF WE CAN ENCOURAGE MORE AFFORDABLE
05:33:23 HOUSING, CONSTRUCTION IN THAT AREA, BRING PEOPLE UP THERE,
05:33:26 INCREASE THE POPULATION LEVELS, BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF
05:33:32 DESERT AREAS OF UNDEVELOPED OR UNDERDEVELOPED AREAS, AND IF
05:33:35 WE CAN BRING PEOPLE THERE, TO RESOLVE SOME OF THE ISSUES
05:33:39 ITSELF.
05:33:39 SO I THINK IT'S KIND OF PREMATURE.
05:33:41 I AM GOING TO GO WITH THE OTHER TWO COUNCIL PERSONS WERE
05:33:45 SAYING.
05:33:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VIERA.
05:33:47 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
05:33:49 SO I TEND TO AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.
05:33:52 I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS.
05:33:54 I WROTE DOWN SOME NOTES WHEN THE MOTION STARTED.
05:33:58 OBVIOUSLY COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, SHE'S THE DISTRICT PERSON
05:34:01 OVER THERE IN SULPHUR SPRINGS, AND IN HER CAPACITY HERE AT
05:34:06 CRA.
05:34:06 THIS TO ME SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE BETTER WORKED
05:34:10 OUT, COUNCIL REQUEST TO MAYBE HAVE IT IN APRIL OR SO,
05:34:16 APRIL-MAY, THAT THE ADMINISTRATION REPORT ON WHAT THEY ARE
05:34:19 PROPOSING TO SPEND IN SULPHUR SPRINGS EACH YEAR.
05:34:23 I MOTIONED INFORM THAT IN THE BUDGET THIS YEAR AND WE CAN
05:34:26 LOOK AT THAT.
05:34:26 IT WOULD BE AT THE LEAST DUPLICATIVE OF THE STUDY THAT
05:34:33 COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON AND OTHERS HAVE TALKED ABOUT.
05:34:36 ANOTHER BIG CHALLENGE, I WILL SAY IT, LOOK, THE CRA HAD TWO
05:34:42 VOTES, RIGHT?
05:34:44 I SUPPORT TALKING ABOUT IT.
05:34:46 BUT THE CRA HAS CLEARLY SPOKEN.
05:34:49 THIS BODY HAS CLEARLY SPOKEN.
05:34:51 I ACCEPT THAT IT'S NOT TIME TO OPEN UP THE AGREEMENT AND
05:34:55 HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, WHICH IS GOING TO -- WITH A LACK OF
05:34:59 SUPPORT WASTE STAFF'S TIME, AND THERE'S A LOST CONCERNS
05:35:02 THERE.
05:35:02 I OBVIOUSLY ACCEPT THAT 100%.
05:35:04 MY CHALLENGE IS THIS SEAMS TO BE MORE RESPONSIVE TO WANTING
05:35:09 TO UNDERMINE A FUTURE MOVEMENT FOR SULPHUR SPRINGS CRA WHICH
05:35:12 I DO BELIEVE IS INEVITABLE AND I DO THINK IF COUNCILMAN
05:35:15 CARLSON WERE TO MAKE A MOTION ASKING TO HAVE THE
05:35:19 ADMINISTRATION REPORT ON WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE BUDGETING
05:35:23 IN SULPHUR SPRINGS A COUPLE MONTHS BEFORE THE BUDGET SO THAT
05:35:27 WE CAN INFLUENCE THAT, IT WOULD BE TRULY IN SUPPORT OF THAT.
05:35:30 AGAIN THE CRA HAS SPOKEN.
05:35:31 I KNOW THERE WAS ALSO A REQUEST FOR AN EXPANSION OF THE CRA
05:35:34 OVER IN YBOR CITY.
05:35:35 I THINK THE SPACE AS WELL AS FOR SULPHUR SPRINGS.
05:35:41 SO I RESPECT THAT EVEN THOUGH AGAIN I SUPPORT THAT.
05:35:45 SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT INCLUDING DIFFERENT
05:35:49 MEASURES AFTER THIS STUDY IS DONE, AND EVERYTHING.
05:35:52 BUT AGAIN, IF A MOTION WERE TO BE MADE, COUNCILMAN CARLSON,
05:35:56 ON TAKING A LOOK AT REQUESTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE BY THE
05:35:59 ADMINISTRATION IN THE BUDGET, WE CAN DO THAT.
05:36:03 I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.
05:36:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ONE MOTION.
05:36:07 I THINK I WILL ANSWER THE QUESTIONS YOU HAVE IN MIND.
05:36:10 I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE ADMINISTRATION TO GIVE US A COMPLETE
05:36:13 EXPENDITURES OF WHAT THEY HAVE DONE AND THE EXPENDITURES IN
05:36:17 DISTRICT 4, 5, 6 AND 7 WHICH COMPLIES OF THE WHOLE CITY AND
05:36:21 YOU WILL HAVE ALL THOSE ANSWERS.
05:36:22 THEY WILL GIVE IT TO YOU.
05:36:23 THE COMPUTER WILL GIVE IT TO YOU.
05:36:26 I WOULD SAY WITHIN TWO WEEKS OR ONE WEEK YOU WILL HAVE ALL
05:36:29 THE ANSWERS.
05:36:29 >>BILL CARLSON: CRA FUNDS?
05:36:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, THE CRA FUNDS EXPENDED BY THE CITY
05:36:38 IN 4, 5, 6 AND 7.
05:36:40 THE CRA FUND, THAT'S ANOTHER ANIMAL.
05:36:42 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
05:36:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T KNOW, BUT THEY SAY THAT SULPHUR
05:36:47 SPRINGS, THE LAST TIME I LOOKED AT THE DISTRICT, IT RAN
05:36:51 STRAIGHT OUT FLORIDA AVENUE.
05:36:53 BUT IT MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.
05:36:55 I DON'T KNOW.
05:36:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:36:59 >>BILL CARLSON: IF I CAN JUST RESPOND.
05:37:01 THIS IS NOT CREATING A CRA OR ACTION PLAN.
05:37:05 IT'S SIMPLY ASKING THE STAFF TO TALK ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY
05:37:08 OF ANNUALLY GIVING US TWO NUMBERS, HOW MUCH AD VALOREM TAX
05:37:12 IT GENERATES IN SULPHUR SPRINGS, AND NUMBER TWO, HOW MUCH IS
05:37:15 BEING SPENT.
05:37:15 AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THOSE TWO NUMBERS WOULD BE TOOLS
05:37:20 THAT CAN BE USED ON ANY OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ALL TALK
05:37:23 ABOUT.
05:37:24 IF I STILL HAVE A SECOND, MY MOTION WILL HOLD.
05:37:26 I JUST WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD ASK
05:37:31 FOR THESE TWO NUMBERS SO SEC WE CAN HAVE A LONGER
05:37:34 DISCUSSION.
05:37:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I THOUGHT I MADE A MOTION.
05:37:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
05:37:42 CARLSON.
05:37:42 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER WE
05:37:47 SHOULD ASK ABOUT THESE TWO NUMBERS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
05:37:52 DECEMBER 5th.
05:37:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
05:37:57 CARLSON, SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
05:38:01 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:38:02 OPPOSED?
05:38:05 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
05:38:06 >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
05:38:08 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NEVER HURTS TO HAVE DISCUSSION, YES.
05:38:11 >>GWEN HENDERSON: NO.
05:38:13 >>LUIS VIERA: NO.
05:38:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
05:38:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
05:38:16 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH HENDERSON, MIRANDA AND
05:38:19 VIERA VOTING NO.
05:38:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION SO WE CAN
05:38:24 GET ALL THE EXPENDITURES OF 4, 5, 6, 7, HAVE THE
05:38:27 ADMINISTRATION GIVE IT TO US IN TWO WEEKS.
05:38:33 WRITTEN REPORT.
05:38:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND SECOND.
05:38:36 >> I THINK WITHOUT HAVING CRA MEMBERS, UNDER THE
05:38:45 CIRCUMSTANCES REALLY MEANINGLESS.
05:38:47 YOU NEED TO HAVE TAXPAYER --
05:38:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WELL THAT'S --
05:38:53 >>> CAN WE DO IT FOR NOVEMBER 7th?
05:38:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOVEMBER 7th IS FINE.
05:39:01 >> SO WE KNOW HOW MUCH TAXPAYER MONEY.
05:39:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS IS FOR NOVEMBER 2nd UNDER
05:39:08 STAFF REPORT.
05:39:10 WRITTEN.
05:39:12 THE 7th.
05:39:15 ANYTHING ELSE?
05:39:18 ALL DAY LONG I HAVE WAITED.
05:39:20 >>LUIS VIERA: THIS WON'T BE ANY DISCUSSION.
05:39:23 I MENTIONED IT.
05:39:24 AGAIN I WOULD HAVE SUPPORTED THIS FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON OR
05:39:27 ANYBODY ELSE.
05:39:28 I WILL MAKE IT.
05:39:28 WHICH I WOULD ASK ON MAY 1st OF 2025 THE ADMINISTRATION
05:39:32 COME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL ON WHAT IT INTENDS TO PUT IN THAT
05:39:37 YEAR'S FISCAL BUDGET FOR THE SULPHUR SPRINGS AREA, JUST SO
05:39:41 THAT WE HAVE A GOOD WORKING ROAD MAP OF WHAT WE ARE TALKING
05:39:44 ABOUT SO WE CAN REALLY CONCENTRATE ON THAT AREA TO BE DO
05:39:47 WHAT WE CAN.
05:39:48 AGAIN, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CRA OR UNDERMINING OR
05:39:52 SUPPORTING THE CRA.
05:39:53 COUNCIL HAS SPOKEN ON THAT.
05:39:54 JUST HELPING THE AREA.
05:39:55 THAT'S ALL I CARE ABOUT.
05:39:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
05:39:59 YES?
05:40:00 NO?
05:40:01 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:40:03 ANY OPPOSED?
05:40:03 ALL RIGHT.
05:40:04 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:40:04 I HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS.
05:40:05 >>BILL CARLSON: WAIT, WAIT.
05:40:14 I RECOGNIZE COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
05:40:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE WAITED NINE HOURS. ANYWAY, I
05:40:21 MET WITH ADRIANA COLINA AND JEAN DUNCAN THE OTHER DAY AND
05:40:27 THEY SHOWED ME AN IDEA ABOUT MOVING CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
05:40:29 FROM THE THIRD FLOOR TO THE FIRST FLOOR, AND THE FIRST FLOOR
05:40:33 BEING THIS BACK CORNER HERE BASICALLY FACING WHERE THE
05:40:36 MAYOR'S OFFICE IS, WHERE THE FOUNTAINS ARE AT.
05:40:41 THEY SAID THEY HAVE 1.12 MILLION NOW BUT THEY NEED ANOTHER
05:40:45 MILLION DOLLARS.
05:40:47 YOU KNOW, I HAVE SEVERAL CONCERNS.
05:40:49 FIRST, COUNCIL OFFICES AND CHAMBERS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ON THE
05:40:53 THIRD FLOOR.
05:40:54 SECOND, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IT COSTS I THINK IS INSANE.
05:40:59 THIRD, I GOT HERE REAL EARLY TODAY AND I WALKED AROUND THESE
05:41:03 CHAMBERS AND LOOKED AT WHAT WE CAN DO REMAINING IN THESE
05:41:07 CHAMBERS.
05:41:08 I THINK WE SHOULD DO REPLACING THE SEATS, REPLACING THE
05:41:11 CARPET, THERE'S CRACKED PAINT AND PLASTER THROUGHOUT, YOU
05:41:14 CAN SEE WHERE THE DRYWALL HAS BEEN REPAIRED.
05:41:16 I THINK WE CAN SPRUCE UP THIS AREA HERE.
05:41:19 THE CLERK'S OFFICES WERE RECENTLY DONE.
05:41:21 THEY CAME OUT BEAUTIFUL.
05:41:22 BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT IF WE ARE
05:41:25 GOING TO SPEND MONEY, RENOVATE THE THIRD FLOOR, BUT TAKING
05:41:28 US DOWN BELOW, I HAVE SEVERAL CONCERNS.
05:41:31 SECURITY CONCERNS.
05:41:33 MONETARY CONCERNS.
05:41:35 AND WHATNOT.
05:41:36 I AM NOT HERE FOR A DEEP, DEEP DISCUSSION.
05:41:38 MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE IS THAT EACH ONE OF US REACH OUT
05:41:42 TO MS. COLINA SO SHE CAN SHOW YOU THE RENDERINGS.
05:41:48 NOT REALLY A MOTION.
05:41:49 JUST A SUGGESTION.
05:41:52 MR. CARLSON WAS FIRST.
05:41:53 >>BILL CARLSON: THIS IS THE FIRST I HEARD ABOUT IT.
05:41:57 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'M THE CHAIR HERE. I RECOGNIZE
05:41:57 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:42:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE KNEW ABOUT
05:42:08 THIS IDEA.
05:42:09 BUT WE DO KNOW THAT THE AREA OVER HERE IS WHERE THE PUBLIC
05:42:14 EXPERIENCES COMING BEFORE US.
05:42:17 SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE THE SPACES THE PUBLIC
05:42:21 EXPERIENCES, I THINK, IS A GOOD IDEA.
05:42:24 >>LYNN HURTAK: I 100% GROW.
05:42:27 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I RECOGNIZE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
05:42:30 >>LYNN HURTAK: SORRY I WAS LOOKING AT HIM.
05:42:32 I APOLOGIZE.
05:42:33 SAFETY IS THE NUMBER ONE CONCERN.
05:42:34 I ACTUALLY TALKED TO THE FOLKS DOWNSTAIRS AND THEY AGREED.
05:42:38 AND I HAVE BEEN ASKED NOT TO THE GO INTO DETAIL BECAUSE OF
05:42:41 OUR SECURITY MEASURES, BUT I AM VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH
05:42:44 BEING ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND HAVING A WINDOW THERE.
05:42:46 I THINK THAT'S FOR ME IS A WILDLY UNSAFE.
05:42:49 BUT FOR $1.2 MILLION, I THINK WE CAN MAYBE BRING MR. SHELBY
05:42:57 IN A LITTLE BIT, OR WE COULD ADD SOME PERMANENT THINGS FOR
05:43:03 STAFF.
05:43:03 I MEAN, THERE'S THINGS WE COULD DO TO SPRUCE THIS PLACE UP.
05:43:07 BUT I AGREE WITH YOU. I DID NOT KNOW THE HISTORY THAT WE
05:43:10 HAVE ALWAYS BEEN HERE.
05:43:11 SO I DO THINK --
05:43:13 >>> ORIGINALLY, AND THIS IS 50 YEARS AGO, THE MAYOR'S OFFICE
05:43:18 WAS HERE. EVERYTHING WAS ON THE THIRD FLOOR.
05:43:19 WE HAD A MATCHING TWIN BUILDING NEXT DOOR WITH A PARKING
05:43:22 LOT.
05:43:24 >>LYNN HURTAK: SO YOU ARE TELLING ME THE MAYOR WASN'T ON
05:43:26 THE 8th FLOOR?
05:43:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE MAYOR WAS HERE.
05:43:30 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'M SORRY, COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
05:43:33 [SOUNDING GAVEL]
05:43:35 [ LAUGHTER ]
05:43:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'M TELLING YOU, HOW MUCH DOES PAINT
05:43:40 COST?
05:43:41 CHARLIE AND I CAN GO TO HOME DEPOT AND ON A SUNDAY PAINT
05:43:44 THIS ROOM.
05:43:45 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. MANISCALCO, ARE WE HAVING A
05:43:55 DISCUSSION OR MOVING THIS TO A WORKSHOP?
05:43:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I AM JUST ASKING COUNCIL MEMBERS TO
05:44:01 REACH OUT TO MS. COLINA. I SHARED MY CONCERNS, SO THAT'S
05:44:02 THAT.
05:44:03 NO MOTION NECESSARY.
05:44:05 AND THEN ONE LAST THING.
05:44:10 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
05:44:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I JUST WANT COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC TO
05:44:14 KNOW THAT WE WILL BE WORKING OUT THE KIOSK.
05:44:19 IT'S AN iPad WHERE YOU TYPE IN YOUR NAME.
05:44:21 IT GOES TO THE CLERK.
05:44:22 AND THEN IT GIVES ME A LIST OF WHO THE SPEAKERS ARE.
05:44:25 VERY ORGANIZED.
05:44:26 THEN COUNCILMEMBER HURTAK BROUGHT IT UP.
05:44:29 I PRACTICED ON THE TECHNOLOGY YESTERDAY.
05:44:31 MR. SHELBY WAS THERE.
05:44:33 MS. EDWARDS.
05:44:34 IT'S NOT VERY COMPLICATED.
05:44:36 BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW.
05:44:39 THIS IS JUST TO TEST IT OUT.
05:44:41 >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ARE YOU RECOGNIZED?
05:44:43 ARE YOU RECOGNIZED?
05:44:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN I GET A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE?
05:44:47 >> I MAKE THAT MOTION.
05:44:52 >> SECOND.
05:44:52 >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST A REMINDER THAT YOU HAD SOME THINGS
05:44:55 OF SIGNIFICANCE TODAY BUT IT'S QUASI JUDICIAL.
05:44:58 YOU HAVE AN APPEAL PERIOD.
05:45:00 YOU MAY BE APPROACHED BY THOSE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO TALK TO
05:45:02 YOU ABOUT IT.
05:45:03 I WOULD ADVISE AGAINST IT.
05:45:04 PLEASE REMAIN MINDFUL THAT YOU ARE NOT TO SPEAK TO THE
05:45:07 PUBLIC ABOUT ANYTHING.
05:45:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN I GET A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE?
05:45:14 >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE DID THAT.
05:45:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND SECOND.
05:45:18 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:45:19 WE ARE ADJOURNED.
05:45:19 [MEETING ADJOURNED]
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