TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 21, 2024, 9:00 A.M.

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9:03:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
WELCOME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
AT THIS TIME, I YIELD TO COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, WHO WILL
INTRODUCE OUR INVOCATION FOR TODAY.
9:04:04AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
IT IS MY PLEASURE TODAY TO INTRODUCE CHAPLAIN WHO HAS BEEN A
CHAPLAIN FOR MANY YEARS IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHO WILL DO
THE INVOCATION THIS MORNING.
PLEASE RISE FOR THE INVOCATION AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
9:04:23AM >> LET'S PRAY.
OUR FATHER, AS WE COME TO YOU TODAY, WE'RE ALSO REMINDED OF
THE SEASON IN WHICH WE'RE IN OF THANKS GIVING.
AND, LORD, I KNOW BEHIND ME STANDS MANY PEOPLE THAT WERE
GREATLY IMPACTED BY THE HURRICANES.
BUT, GOD, WE ALSO WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE WAS GREAT

MERCY.
LORD, WE THINK OF THE DAMAGE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN IN OUR
CITY, AND WE THINK OF TWO HURRICANES BACK TO BACK.
LORD, WE JUST LOOK AT OTHER STATES LIKE THE CAROLINAS AND
SEE THE YEARS OF DAMAGE THAT THEY HAVE.
SO, FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR MERCY IN THE MIDST OF THE
STORM.
FATHER, I DO PRAY THAT YOU WOULD BLESS THIS CITY, THAT YOU
WOULD GIVE US GRACE, GIVE US FAVOR, THAT YOU KEEP OUR
STREETS SAFE, THAT YOU WOULD BLESS OUR HOMES.
LORD, WE DO PRAY FOR THOSE LAW ENFORCEMENTS AND FIRST
RESPONDERS THAT ARE CONSTANTLY ON THE FRONT LINES THAT PUT
THEMSELVES IN A DANGEROUS PLACE.
WE PRAY FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND FOR THEIR SAFETY.
LORD, WE PRAY FOR OUR MAYOR AND, LORD, FOR THE CITY COUNCIL
THAT IS HERE.
LORD, I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE DECISIONS THEY HAVE TO MAKE AND
I KNOW THAT THERE ARE GREAT MATTERS OF WEIGHT THAT COME UPON
THEM.
I DO PRAY, LORD THAT THEY WOULD SEEK YOUR FACE AND THAT THEY
WOULD KNOW THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO GIVE WISDOM AND TO SUSTAIN
THEM AND TO HELP THEM.
LORD, I JUST PRAY THAT YOU WOULD BLESS THIS CITY.
LORD, WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU WOULD GIVE US GRACE AND MERCY,
LORD.

LORD, WE HAVE MANY THINGS, LORD, IN THIS PLACE THAT WE'RE
THANKFUL FOR AND THE BENEFITS.
WE JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE, LORD, YOUR KINDNESS TO US.
WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD HELP US TO REMEMBER EVEN IN THE
SEASON TO COME OF JESUS CHRIST.
THANK YOU, LORD, FOR HOW YOU HAVE LOVED US AND LORD HOW THAT
YOU HAVE PROVIDED FOR US YOUR SALVATION.
LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR THAT AND ASK YOUR BLESSING UPON THIS
MEETING, THAT YOU WOULD GUIDE, THAT YOU WOULD DIRECT AND IT
IS IN JESUS' NAME WE PRAY, AMEN.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:06:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
9:06:58AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
9:06:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
9:07:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
9:07:02AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PRESENT.
9:07:03AM >> VIERA?
MIRANDA?
9:07:04AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
9:07:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
9:07:06AM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
9:07:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
MR. SHELBY, GO AHEAD, SIR.
9:07:12AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS
OF CITY COUNCIL AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

MARTIN SHELBY, THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO REVIEW WITH YOU AND
WITH CITY COUNCIL THE RULES OF DECORUM, HOW WE CONDUCT
TODAY'S MEETING.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE
FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND PLACE IT IN THE BOX OUTSIDE.
ONE CARD PER SPEAKER.
I JUST WANT YOU AND COUNCIL TO BE AWARE THAT THE SECOND
FLOOR IS OPEN.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE WHO WISH TO SPEAK.
NOW, CARDS WILL BE ACCEPTED UNTIL THE START OF GENERAL
PUBLIC COMMENT, THAT'S DURING THE TIME THAT WE HAVE
CEREMONIAL.
EACH PERSON SUBMITTING A CARD WILL BE RECOGNIZED BY NAME TO
APPROACH AND SPEAK.
THE CHAIR WILL SAY THE NAME OF THE SPEAKER AND ALSO TELL WHO
WOULD BE FOLLOWING THAT SPEAKER, SO THAT PERSON COULD BE
PREPARED TO BE NEXT IN LINE TO SPEAK.
A THREE-MINUTE TIME LIMIT APPLIES TO ALL SPEAKERS.
WHEN YOU COME UP TO THE LECTERN, AT THE TOP OF THE LECTERN
YOU'LL NOTICE A LITTLE DEVICE THAT HAS THREE COLORED LIGHTS
-- A GREEN, YELLOW AND A RED LIGHT.
WHEN YOU BEGIN SPEAKING, THE GREEN LIGHT GOES ON.
WITH 30 SECONDS REMAINING, YOU'LL HEAR A TONE AND THE YELLOW
LIGHT WILL GO ON.

WHEN THE RED LIGHT GOES ON, THERE WILL BE A CONTINUOUS BEEP.
WE ASK THAT YOU REFRAIN FROM SPEAKING AFTER THAT OR WRAP UP
YOUR REMARKS VERY QUICKLY.
PLEASE, ALLOW THE NEXT SPEAKER TO COME UP TO ADDRESS THE
CITY COUNCIL.
NOW, WITH REGARD TO THINGS LIKE DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT, PLEASE
AVOID AND REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT OR BEHAVIOR DURING
THE MEETING THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD AFFECT THE
ABILITY OF COUNCIL TO CONDUCT A MEETING WITH DECORUM.
WE WOULD ASK YOU TO REFRAIN FROM CLAPPING AND SNAPPING, IF
YOU DO, AND THE REASON WE'RE DOING THAT IS BECAUSE IT SERVES
TWO PURPOSES.
NUMBER ONE, IT SPEEDS UP THE MEETING.
IT ALLOWS THE NEXT SPEAKER TO GET UP THERE AND BEGIN
SPEAKING RAPIDLY OR QUICKER.
THE OTHER THING IT DOES, IT ALLOWS YOU TO HEAR WHO THE NEXT
SPEAKER IS SO THE CHAIR DOESN'T HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE NOISE
STOPS TO BE ABLE TO ANNOUNCE WHO THE NEXT SPEAKERS WILL BE.
PLEASE REMAIN MINDFUL OF THAT AND RESPECTFUL OF THAT.
NOW, PLEASE PRINT LEGIBLY BECAUSE NAMES THAT CANNOT BE READ
WILL NOT BE CALLED.
NOW, IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON ANYTHING REGARDING A STAFF
REPORT, TIME TO SPEAK TO THAT IS AT GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF YOU CAN, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING A SPEAKER -- EXCUSE
ME, THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING A SPEAKER

UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE AWARE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DOES
NOT TAKE QUESTIONS OR HAVE A DIALOGUE DURING GENERAL PUBLIC
COMMENT.
THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS YOUR POSITION.
NOW, ANYBODY WHO SPEAKS WITHOUT BEING RECOGNIZED OR ATTEMPTS
TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL FROM OUTSIDE THE AREA OR FAILING TO
COMPLY WITH THESE RULES OF DECORUM MAY BE RULED OUT OF ORDER
BY THE CHAIR AND AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR MAY BE
REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBERS FOR THE REMAINDER OF TODAY'S
MEETING.
SO, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO IT.
THANK YOU.
9:10:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR
MEETING FROM NOVEMBER 7, 2024?
AND THE EVENING SESSION HELD NOVEMBER 14, 2024?
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ALL RIGHT.
I'M GOING TO GO TO THE AGENDA.
ITEM 3, F.D.O.T. DOES NOT HAVE AN UPDATE.

THERE IS NOTHING FOR NUMBER THREE.
WE'LL GET RID OF THAT.
LET'S GO THROUGH STAFF REPORTS.
THERE IS NO ADMINISTRATION UPDATE.
ITEM NUMBER 55, DO WE NEED STAFF PRESENT FOR 55?
9:11:02AM >> MR. CHAIRMAN?
CHAIRMAN?
BRAD BAIRD.
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE ON THIS TO DECEMBER 5,
IF I COULD.
9:11:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE TO DECEMBER
5 FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. BAIRD.
ITEM 56, DO WE NEED -- WE HAVE A WRITTEN RESPONSE FOR THIS.
DO WE NEED STAFF PRESENT FOR 56?
ANYBODY?
NO.
ALL RIGHTY.
ITEM NUMBER 57.
DO WE NEED STAFF PRESENT?
NO.

ALL RIGHT.
ITEM NUMBER 58.
YES.
ITEM NUMBER 59.
YES.
ITEM NUMBER 60.
YES?
9:11:58AM >> YES.
9:12:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
60 WE'LL SAY YES.
IF THERE IS A CHANGE, WE'LL BRING IT UP.
ITEM NUMBER 61.
DO WE NEED STAFF FOR 61?
NO ON 61.
HOW ABOUT 62?
NO ON 62.
ITEM 63.
9:12:19AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, PLEASE.
IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, FOR 63, I'LL REACH OUT TO MS. FEELEY
AND CHIEF TRIPP IN BETWEEN, AND TO POTENTIALLY NOT HAVE
THAT.
BUT AT THIS TIME, YES, WE COULD --
9:12:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE CAN WAIT UNTIL AFTER LUNCH.
9:12:34AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I THINK WE WILL, BUT VERY LIKELY.
BUT I WILL REACH OUT.
9:12:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE'LL SAY YES ON 63 PENDING.

9:12:40AM >>LUIS VIERA:
JUST GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT IS THE CHIEF OF
FIRE, THAT WE HAVE A PACKED AGENDA AND I WOULDN'T WANT HER
HERE WAITING TWO, THREE HOURS.
WE HAVE AFTER LUNCH, REASONABLE TIME CERTAIN IF AT ALL
POSSIBLE.
9:12:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ITEM 64, THERE IS A REQUEST TO CONTINUE TO DECEMBER 19.
9:12:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
64 AND 65, MY ONLY CAVEAT TO THE EXTENSION IS
THAT DECEMBER 19, I MEAN, I'M NOT GOING TO EXTEND IT ANY
FURTHER.
9:13:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DECEMBER 19 IS A HARD CONTINUANCE,
MEANING NO FURTHER CONTINUANCES.
BE PREPARED DECEMBER 19.
CAN I GET A MOTION FOR 64 AND 65?
9:13:17AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN?
9:13:19AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
9:13:19AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN, I'M CONCERNED TO KNOW HOW COUNCIL
WILL HANDLE THIS BECAUSE, PER YOUR RULES, THERE ARE ALREADY
SEVEN STAFF REPORTS FOR DECEMBER 19.
SO EVERY TIME YOU CONTINUE THAT, ARE YOU ALSO GOING TO HAVE
AT THIS POINT IN TIME WAIVING THE RULES TO DO THAT?
9:13:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT
IN-PERSON REPORTS.
THIS IS THE GENERAL FUND.
I'M WILLING TO WAIVE THE RULES FOR THAT, BUT I'M ALSO

WILLING TO LOOK AT THE CALENDAR TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING I
CAN MOVE FROM ME.
9:13:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
[INAUDIBLE]
9:13:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
THAT'S EVERYBODY.
THE RULES ARE WAIVED, SO WE'LL CONTINUE 64 AND 65 TO
DECEMBER 19, 2024.
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ITEM NUMBER 66 WILL BE PRESENT FOR A VERBAL REPORT, THAT IS
A YES.
ITEM 67, THERE IS A WRITTEN REPORT.
DO WE NEED ANYBODY IN PERSON OR SATISFIED WITH THAT?
ANYBODY?
9:14:28AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
[INAUDIBLE]
9:14:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO STRIKE ITEM 67.
WITHDRAW THAT.
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?

AYE.
ITEM 67 HAS BEEN TAKEN OFF THE AGENDA.
ITEM 68, A REQUEST TO CONTINUE TO FEBRUARY 27, 2025.
WORKSHOP OR MARCH 2025 REGULAR SESSION.
9:14:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YEAH, THIS WAS MY AGENDA ITEM.
I'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEYS ABOUT IT.
THEY UNDERSTAND MY INTENT WITH THIS, AS WE ALL SAW IN A
RECENT AGENDA ITEM.
THEY ARE -- I THINK WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS HIGHLIGHT THE
DIFFERENCES AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROPERTIES VERSUS
PROPERTIES THAT DON'T HAVE ACTUALLY VALUE, SLIVERS OF
PROPERTY VERSUS SUBSTANTIAL ASSETS.
I THINK THAT'S WHY THE DISCUSSION SHOULD HAPPEN.
I MOVE TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO FEBRUARY 27.
9:15:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ITEMS 69 AND 70 ARE WRITTEN, AND THEY JUST NEED TO BE
RECEIVED AND FILED.
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, SECOND FROM COUNCIL
MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.

ANY OPPOSED?
MR. SHELBY, YES, SIR.
9:15:30AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ONE LAST THING, NOW THAT YOU'VE APPROVED
THE AGENDA, THOSE ITEMS, ESPECIALLY PARTICULARLY THE
BIG-TICKET ITEMS UNDER STAFF REPORTS, I SUGGEST WE MOVE THEM
UP AT THE END OF THE CONSENT DOCKET TO TAKE THE ITEMS THAT
YOU CAN MOVE AT THE SAME TIME TO BE ABLE TO SAVE TIME AND TO
HAVE THE STAFF REALIZE THAT THOSE ITEMS HAVE BEEN PASSED.
9:15:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE ONES THAT WE DON'T NEED STAFF
PRESENT.
9:15:52AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE ONES DON'T NEED STAFF, TAKE CARE OF IT
IN THE MORNING.
9:15:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FAIR ENOUGH.
MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA?
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
ITEM NUMBER 1 IS COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA'S MOTION.
GO AHEAD, SIR.
9:17:01AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE HAVE A FRIEND HERE, MR. DAVID ROWLAND WHO IS THE COUNSEL
FOR THE 13th JUDICIAL CIRCUIT HERE.
WE'RE HERE TO HONOR HIM FOR 30 YEARS OF SERVICE AS GENERAL

COUNSEL TO THE 13th JUDICIAL CIRCUIT HERE IN HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY.
I'VE HAD THE GREAT PLEASURE OF KNOWING MR. ROWLAND FOR A
NUMBER OF YEARS.
THERE ARE MANY, MANY NOTABLES HERE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO ARE
HERE TO HELP HONOR MR. ROWLAND, INCLUDING -- AND I HOPE I
DON'T MISS ANYBODY, BY THE WAY -- WE HAVE CHIEF JUDGE
SABELLA WHO IS HERE.
WE HAVE FORMER CHIEF JUDGE FICARROTTA WHO IS HERE.
WE HAVE JUDGE DARREN WHO IS HERE.
WE HAVE SENIOR JUDGE BARTON WHO IS HERE.
WE HAVE COUNTY COMMISSIONER HARRY COHEN WHO IS HERE.
IT IS A REAL PLEASURE.
WE HAVE JULIE HOLT, WHO I SAW IS HERE, PUBLIC DEFENDER.
WE HAVE MR. SCOTT STEAGALL WITH THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY BAR
ASSOCIATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
MS. GRACE YING, PAST PRESIDENT OF HCBA.
MS. LINDSEY SIERRA, WHO IS GENERAL COUNSEL FOR THE 6th
JUDICIAL CIRCUIT.
ALSO WITH THE JUNIOR LEAGUE, WE HAVE THE OFFICE OF
REPRESENTATIVE AND HOUSE MINORITY LEADER DRISCOLL AND SARAH
COUTURE WITH FEES -- [INAUDIBLE] -- THERE YOU GO.
IF I MISSED ANYBODY, I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE, BECAUSE YOU KNOW
HOW IT IS.
MR. ROWLAND HAS BEEN CHIEF COUNSEL TO THE 13th JUDICIAL

CIRCUIT HERE IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
THIS IS A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT JOB THAT HE DOES.
NOT JUST AS OVERSEE NUMEROUS STAFF ATTORNEYS WHO PROVIDE
LEGAL COUNSEL TO JUDGES ON SPECIFIC CASES, BUT IT IS MR.
ROWLAND'S SPECIFIC JOB TO PROVIDE LEGAL COUNSEL NOT JUST TO
THE 13th JUDICIAL CIRCUIT AS A WHOLE, BUT TO JUDGES
INDIVIDUALLY ON ETHICS ISSUES.
IMAGINE THIS GENTLEMAN AND HOW HE IS IN THE HOT SEAT EVERY
SINGLE DAY WITH JUDGES WHO ASK HIM QUESTIONS ON, CAN I GO TO
THIS EVENT?
WHAT CAN I DO ON SOCIAL MEDIA?
IN A TIME OF POLITICIZATION, OF SOCIAL MEDIA AND VAST
EXPOSURE FOR POLITICAL OFFICIALS BUT ESPECIALLY THOSE IN THE
JUDICIARY, THIS IS A VERY, VERY HOT SEAT THAT THIS MAN
OCCUPIES.
HE WEARS MANY, MANY HATS.
HE'S NOT JUST A PUBLIC SERVANT.
NOT JUST AN OUTSTANDING ATTORNEY WHO IS TRUSTED BY OUR LOCAL
BAR AND BY OUR 13th JUDICIAL CIRCUIT, HE'S ALSO A VERY
PROUD FATHER.
HIS SON JORDAN IS A WONDERFUL YOUNG MAN WHO I MET WHO WORKS
AT CUP.
MANY OF YOU KNOW CUP OVER IN SOUTH TAMPA.
A WONDERFUL ORGANIZATION AND ALSO A CLIENT OF McDONALD'S
TRAINING CENTER.

THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT WE REALLY HONOR DAVID ROWLAND FOR
IS FOR NOT JUST BEING A REALLY GOOD PUBLIC SERVANT BUT A
HUMBLE PUBLIC SERVANT.
HE IS A MAN OF GREAT HUMILITY.
AND JUST DECENCY AND A GOOD PUBLIC SERVANT.
WITHOUT HIM, THE 13th JUDICIAL CIRCUIT WOULD NOT RUN ON
TIME.
AGAIN, OUR JUDGES RELY ON HIM FOR HIS LEGAL EXPERTISE.
FOR THAT AND SO MUCH MORE, IT IS OUR GREAT PLEASURE TO GIVE
MR. ROWLAND AND TAMPA CITY COUNCIL COMMENDATION.
HE IS UNABLE TO STAND AT THIS TIME FOR SOME ISSUES, BUT WE
WILL DO THIS OVER TO HIM AND WE HONOR HIM.
[ APPLAUSE ]
THANK YOU.
9:20:32AM >> GOOD MORNING.
COUNCILMAN VIERA HAS TOLD ME HE'S BEEN WANTING TO DO THIS A
LONG TIME, UNFORTUNATELY OR FORTUNATELY, DOESN'T MATTER,
IT'S BEING DONE TODAY, AND I'M GLAD BECAUSE I'M GETTING THIS
AND HE'S MENTIONED A COUPLE OF THINGS ABOUT ME.
I'VE HAD A LOT OF SERVICE AT THE COURT.
I THINK LUIS WANTED TO RECOGNIZE ME AND I RETIRED AND YOU
DIDN'T KNOW THAT, DID YOU, UNTIL RECENTLY.
UNTIL RECENTLY.
HIS RECOGNITION OF ME WAS BEFORE MY RETIREMENT.
THEN I RETIRED.

AND IT WAS LIKE, WOW.
SO A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENED SINCE THEN, CLEARLY, BECAUSE I
DIDN'T THINK CITY COUNCIL WAS THIS -- HAD THIS MANY PEOPLE.
[ LAUGHTER ]
WE HAVE ALL COUNCILMEN AND COUNCILWOMEN HERE, AND I GUESS IT
HAPPENS A LOT.
JUDGES WORK EVERY SINGLE DAY.
I'M GOING TO BE HONORED BY THE COUNCIL AND I'M GOING TO BE
HONORED TODAY BY THE COUNCIL.
I JUST WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE THAT.
COUNCILMAN VIERA WANTED TO DO THIS, AND IT'S GREAT.
I GOT TO SAY BEFORE I'M RECOGNIZED --
9:22:57AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE DID IT.
9:22:59AM >> I HAVE TO SAY, I'VE DONE 34 YEARS PLUS, AND I'M GETTING
THIS EXCELLENT HONOR, BUT I ALSO HAVE A SON.
AND MY SON JORDAN WORKS AT CUP, LUIS JUST MENTIONED THAT,
AND HE WORKS AT TWO CUP LOCATIONS.
BUT WE LIVE VERY CLOSE TO CUP NUMBER 2.
AND HE WORKS THERE ON SATURDAY MORNINGS ALMOST EVERY DAY,
EVERY DAY.
9:23:39AM >> WE WANTED ON BEHALF OF ALL THE JUDGES COME DOWN AND THANK
YOU AND CONGRATULATE YOU BECAUSE WE COULDN'T LIVE AT THE
COURTHOUSE WITHOUT YOU.
SO WE WANT TO THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.
ALL RIGHT.

COME HERE, I HAVE SOME JUDGES THAT WANT TO TALK TO YOU.
ALL RIGHT.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:24:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
CONGRATULATIONS.
[ APPLAUSE ]
WE'LL TAKE A MOMENT AS THE ROOM CLEARS OUT.
ALL RIGHTY.
ITEM 2, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY REQUESTED TO PROVIDE A TEN
MINUTE PRESENTATION REGARDING A REVIEW INITIATED BY THE
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON THE STUDY OF THE INTEGRATED
STORMWATER SYSTEM COUNTYWIDE TO EXAMINE WHAT WORKED, WHAT
DIDN'T, AND WHAT IMPROVEMENTS MAY NEED TO BE MADE TO
MITIGATE FLOODING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE COUNTY AND FORMER --
ACTUALLY MY FAVORITE -- HARRY COHEN.
I'LL JUST SAY YOU ARE MY FAVORITE.
GO AHEAD, SIR.
GOOD MORNING.
9:25:38AM >> GOOD MORNING.
THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS COUNCIL.
COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY NAME IS GREG HORWEDEL, DEPUTY COUNTY
ADMINISTRATOR FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
JOINED BY ASSISTANT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR KIM BYER PUBLIC
WORKS, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING AND OPERATIONS, JOSH

BELLOTTI.
AND ONE OF YOUR FORMER COLLEAGUES AND ALSO ONE OF MY
FAVORITES, COUNTY COMMISSIONER HARRY COHEN.
TODAY, I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THE COUNTY IS
DOING IN RESPONSE TO SOME OF THE STORMWATER FLOODING THAT WE
ALL EXPERIENCED AS PART OF THE TWIN HURRICANES THAT WE SAW
IN LATE SEPTEMBER AND EARLY OCTOBER.
FIRST, A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT IS IMPORTANT.
SO WHEN WE HAD HURRICANE MILTON, WHICH WAS ON THE HEELS OF
AN EXTENSIVE RAINY SEASON AS WELL AS THE HURRICANE HELENE
THAT CAME THROUGH AND DAMAGED A LOT OF OUR COASTLINE, TOOK
OUT ABOUT 10% OF THE COUNTY, MILTON CAME ALONG AND TOOK OUT
THE OTHER 90% OF THE COUNTY.
REALLY IS COMPLETELY INVOLVING THE ENTIRETY OF HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY.
CONTEXT IS IMPORTANT HERE BECAUSE IN THAT 24-HOUR PERIOD,
WHAT WE SAW FOR RAINFALL WAS APPROXIMATELY, AS ESTIMATED BY
OUR STAFF, ABOUT 1.55 BILLION GALLONS OF WATER.
PUT THAT INTO CONTEXT, BECAUSE WHEN YOU HEAR 10 TO 15 INCHES
OF RAIN, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO CONCEPTUALIZE THAT.
BUT WHAT THAT MEANS IS, IF YOU SAW THE OLYMPICS THIS PAST
SUMMER, YOU SAW THE OLYMPIC-SIZE POOLS, WHICH ARE SEVERAL
ORDER OF MAGNITUDE BIGGER THAN A RESIDENTIAL POOL.
THAT IS EQUIVALENT TO 250,000 OLYMPIC-SIZED POOLS FILLED TO
THE BRIM.

IF YOU PUT THOSE ALL TOGETHER, IT WOULD COVER THE ENTIRE
CITY OF ORLANDO.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
ON TOP OF THAT, MANY OF OUR STORMWATER SYSTEMS -- I BELIEVE
TAMPA HAS THE SAME STANDARD AS WE HAVE -- ARE ALL BUILT TO
HANDLE 25-YEAR STORMS.
WE DID NOT HAVE A 25-YEAR STORM.
WE HAD SOMEWHERE BETWEEN A 250-YEAR STORM AND A 500-YEAR
STORM.
SO WE HAD EXTENSIVE FLOODING.
THE COMMUNITIES THAT SAW EVACUATION NOTICES FOR HELENE WERE
BECAUSE THE EVACUATION ZONES ARE PREDICATED UPON THE STORM
SURGE, AND WE DID SEE QUITE A BIT OF STORM SURGE.
I KNOW THE CITY WAS IMPACTED AS WAS A NUMBER OF COMMUNITIES
IN THE COUNTY.
APOLLO BEACH, DANA SHORES, ALL OF THOSE AREAS GOT REALLY HIT
HARD.
THE FRESHWATER FLOODING THAT WE SAW WITH HURRICANE MILTON
WAS A DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
WHEN I TALKED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF FLOODING THAT WE SAW, IT
WAS DIRECTLY A RESULT THE FACT THAT WE ARE BUILT TO A
CERTAIN STANDARD, AND THAT WE HAD A LOT MORE WATER THAN WE
COULD EVER IMAGINE THOSE SYSTEMS BEING ABLE TO HANDLE.
IT'S SIMILAR TO IF YOU PUT A ONE CUP MEASURING CUP ON YOUR
COUNTERTOP AND ATTEMPT TO POUR A GALLON OF WATER IN THE CUP

WITHOUT SPILLING ANYTHING, IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.
SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF COMPLAINTS, CONCERNS, ISSUES FROM A
LOT OF RESIDENTS WHO NEVER EXPERIENCED FLOODING BECAUSE,
FRANKLY, THEY'VE NEVER SEEN THAT LEVEL OF STORM HERE IN
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY OR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
OUR COUNTY COMMISSION HAS ASKED US TO ENGAGE IN A THOROUGH
INVESTIGATION OF WHAT HAPPENED, WHY DID WE HAVE THE LEVEL OF
FLOODING WE DID.
I THINK SOME OF THAT, OF COURSE, HAS TO BE WEATHER-RELATED.
IT HAS TO BE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE
FOR OUR VARIOUS DEVELOPMENTS THAT COME INTO THE COUNTY AND
INTO THE CITY.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, WE RECOGNIZE THAT
WE NEED TO HAVE OUR PARTNERS, CITY OF TAMPA, PLANT CITY,
TEMPLE TERRACE, S.W.F.W.M.D., EPC AND MANY OTHERS, ENGAGE IN
A HOLISTIC EFFORT TO LOOK AT ALL OF OUR STORMWATER
STRUCTURES, LOOK AT THE FLOODING THAT OCCURRED AND THEN
ULTIMATELY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS NOT JUST TO THIS BODY, BUT
ALSO TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION.
SO WE HAVE A FIRM THAT WE HAVE CONTRACTED WITH, BLACK &
VEATCH.
THEY ARE AN INTERNATIONAL GLOBAL FIRM THAT DOES QUITE A BIT
OF STORMWATER WORK.
OUR MANDATE TO THEM IS GO LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT OCCURRED.
HAVE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND TOWN HALLS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRETY

OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, INCLUDING OUR PARTNERS.
MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO DOCUMENT WHAT HAPPENED AND
THEN REPORT BACK TO US AND TO OUR PARTNERS EXACTLY WHAT YOU
FOUND.
THERE ARE NO FEATHERS ON THE CONSULTING FIRM.
THEY HAVE NOT BEEN TOLD HIDE THIS IF YOU FIND IT OR DON'T
TALK ABOUT THIS.
THEY HAVE A MANDATE TO GO IN, FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT
HAPPENED, WHY IT HAPPENED AND THEN MAKE REPORTS.
WE WILL HAVE FOLLOWING THAT SIX-MONTH EXERCISE, BECAUSE WE
ANTICIPATE IT WILL TAKE THAT LONG TO GO THROUGH THIS
PRELIMINARY PHASE, THERE WILL BE A FOLLOW-ON EFFORT THAT OUR
PUBLIC WORKS TEAM WILL FOLLOW UP WITH NOT JUST YOU, BUT
AGAIN, ALL OF OUR PARTNERS, TO COME UP WITH SPECIFIC CAPITAL
PROJECTS AS NECESSARY TO HELP ALLEVIATE THIS POTENTIAL IN
THE FUTURE.
JUST BY WAY OF EXAMPLE, WE HAD ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO -- I
BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT -- WE LOOKED AT PUTTING IN SOME
PIPING TO AN AREA NEAR DUCK POND.
THE COST AT THAT TIME WAS BETWEEN 400 AND 500 MILLION
DOLLARS.
I SUSPECT IT'S ALMOST DOUBLE THAT, IF NOT MORE.
ONE OF THE POLICY QUESTIONS WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING OUR
BOARD TO WRESTLE WITH AND I'M SURE YOU'RE GOING TO WRESTLE
WITH, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO INVEST THAT MONEY FOR A PIPING

SYSTEM THAT MAY OR MAY NOT PROVIDE SUBSTANTIAL RELIEF IF WE
GET ANOTHER STORM THAT'S 250 TO 500 YEARS?
OR DO WE START BUYING UP PROPERTY AND TURNING THOSE AREAS
BACK INTO MORE OF A FLOODPLAIN?
THESE ARE SIGNIFICANT POLICY QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO
HAVE TO WRESTLE WITH.
THEY ARE GOING TO AFFECT PEOPLE'S LIVES.
THEY ARE GOING TO AFFECT WHERE THEY LIVE.
AND THE INVESTMENTS THAT WE'RE ASKING ALL OF OUR CITIZENS TO
MAKE.
SO WITH THAT, AND I WILL TELL YOU IF THERE ARE ANY TECHNICAL
QUESTIONS, I WILL ASK MY STAFF TO ADDRESS THOSE.
I'LL TRY AND ANSWER AS MANY AS I CAN.
I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH YOU.
I'M DELIGHTED THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ENGAGED IN THIS
PROCESS.
I KNOW IT'S GOING TO YIELD RESULTS AT THE END THAT WE CAN
ALL HAVE A GOOD CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE,
WHAT ARE OUR NEXT STEPS AND HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE AND,
FRANKLY, HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST?
9:32:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN VIERA AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:32:22AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

I'LL BE RELATIVELY BRIEF BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE A PACKED
ROOM AND AGENDA.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK.
AFTER MILTON STARTED TALKING ABOUT DOING A REVIEW OR
INQUIRY, THIS IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
THIS I THINK HITS IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST SUBSTANTIAL
COMPLIANCE, PRETTY MUCH STRAIGHT COMPLIANCE I THINK WITH
WHAT I WANTED AND I APPRECIATE THAT 110%.
I THANK COUNCIL FOR THEIR SUPPORT OF MOVING FORWARD.
THE COUNTY COMMISSION, OBVIOUSLY, COMMISSIONER HARRY COHEN
HERE.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE ALL WORKED TOGETHER.
IT'S GOOD TO SEE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS WORKING TOGETHER
ON THIS ISSUE BECAUSE THIS IS A NONPARTISAN ISSUE.
AND THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT WE CAN DO AFTER
MILTON FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS AS WELL AS PROVIDING THEM WITH
DIGNITY AND RELIEF ET CETERA.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
YOU TALKED ABOUT I THINK THE THREE PILLARS OF THIS WHICH IS,
NUMBER ONE, TALK ABOUT WHAT WE DID RIGHT.
WE GOT TO HEAR THAT.
NUMBER TWO, WHAT CHALLENGES WE MAY HAVE HAD DURING MILTON,
WHAT IF ANYTHING WENT WRONG, REASONABLY PREVENTABLE,
ET CETERA.
I'M NOT AN ENGINEER.

I DEFER TO THE EXPERTS, INCLUDING THE INDEPENDENT ENTITY
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THIRD, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK IS MOST IMPORTANT AND MY
CONSTITUENTS LIKE THE MOST, WHICH IS THAT MASTER PLAN IDEA,
WHICH IS YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT ALL OF OUR NEEDS.
CITY OF TAMPA, PLANT CITY, TEMPLE TERRACE, THROUGHOUT THE
COUNTY AND SEEING WHAT IS NECESSARY.
THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE NEED THAT EXPERT OPINION
IN LIGHT OF THE STORM, IN LIGHT OF THE TRAGEDY THAT HAPPENED
IN NORTH TAMPA, IN SOUTH TAMPA, IN TOWN N' COUNTRY, AND EAST
COUNTY, UNIVERSITY AREA, ET CETERA.
WE NEED TO HAVE THAT PROFESSIONAL SPECIFICITY SO THAT WE CAN
HAVE THAT ENGAGED, INFORMED CONVERSATION WITH OUR
CONSTITUENTS ON WHAT WE NEED AND WHAT THEY ARE WILLING TO
PAY FOR.
THAT'S WHAT TODAY IS ABOUT.
THIS IS A SMALL PART OF THE LARGER CONVERSATION I THINK THAT
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE.
YOU KNOW, MAKING THIS A COUNTYWIDE APPROACH IS FOR ME THE
ONLY WAY.
WATER DOES NOT STOP AT THE CITY'S EDGE.
WE HAVE TOO MUCH CONNECTIVITY.
THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS WITHIN FOWLER WHERE THERE ARE COUNTY
PUMPS THAT COULD HAVE AN EFFECT ON CITY AREAS AND VICE
VERSA.

WE HAVE THE UNIVERSITY AREA.
WE HAVE PARTS OF FOREST HILLS WHICH ARE PORTIONED OUT
BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE CITY.
IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
AGAIN, THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT AREAS.
I WENT OUT WITH COMMISSIONER COHEN TO SEE OUR GOOD FRIENDS.
TALK TO FRIENDS IN EAST COUNTY AREA.
AT THE END OF COUNCIL, I'LL BE MAKING MOTIONS TO BETTER
FORMALIZE THIS WITH OUR CITY.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
LAST, WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT EXPECTATIONS.
WHICH YOU TALKED ABOUT.
NUMBER ONE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT INDEPENDENT REVIEW, IT'S
NOT ABOUT POINTING FINGERS AT ANYBODY.
IT'S ABOUT SAYING THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN ZONE X WHO
WERE DEVASTATED.
THAT'S WHAT TRANSPARENCY IS ALL ABOUT.
WE HAVE HERE A LOT OF WONDERFUL FOLKS FROM COUNTY STAFF.
MR. BHIDE WHO IS A REMARKABLE PUBLIC SERVANT.
NOT ABOUT POINTING THE FINGERS.
SAYING, LOOK, A TRAGEDY HAPPENED AND WE NEED TO HAVE
TRANSPARENCY, WHAT, IF ANYTHING, HAPPENED.
ALSO NEED TO HAVE EXPECTATIONS WITH REGARDS TO WHAT THE
FUTURE NEEDS ARE GOING TO BE, HOW MUCH THEY ARE GOING TO
COST AND THAT DIALOGUE WE'VE GOT TO HAVE WITH OUR

CONSTITUENTS.
AGAIN, IN CLOSING, THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT WE
CAN DO.
NUMBER ONE, IT PROVIDES TRANSPARENCY, OPEN GOVERNMENT AFTER
DEVASTATION, BUT, NUMBER TWO, IT TALKS ABOUT WHAT
INFORMATION WE NEED FOR A ROAD MAP TO PREVENT THIS FROM
HAPPENING SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT ENGAGED DISCUSSION WITH
OUR CONSTITUENTS.
I AGAIN WANTED TO THANK COMMISSIONER COHEN BECAUSE WE WORKED
A LOT ON THIS ISSUE TOGETHER.
HE'S ALWAYS A GENTLEMAN AND A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH.
AGAIN, I'LL BE MAKING SOME MOTIONS AT THE END ON THIS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
AND THANK YOU, FOLKS.
9:36:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:36:07AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU TO HARRY FOR YOUR HELP AS WELL.
HE PRECEDED ME IN SOUTH TAMPA, AND HE'S BEEN A GREAT
RESOURCE OVER THE YEARS IN COORDINATING WITH THE COUNTY.
APPRECIATE HIM AND THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS.
JUST AFTER THE STORMS, CITY COUNCIL ASKED THE CITY STAFF TO
COME BACK AND GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE STORMWATER PLAN,
CITYWIDE STORMWATER PLAN.
THAT'S COMING BACK AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.

I HOPE THAT THE CITY STAFF CAN WORK CLOSELY WITH YOU ALL TO
LOOK AT THE INFORMATION AS IT GOES ALONG.
IF FOR SOME REASON WE NEED TO MOVE IT BY A MONTH OR
SOMETHING, WE CAN DO THAT.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE AN INTEGRATED STORMWATER PLAN
THAT WORKS WITH THE COUNTY, BUT ALSO LOOKS AT THE CITY
HOLISTICALLY INSTEAD OF A PIECE AT A TIME.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN IN WHAT I WOULD CALL THE
NON-SURGE FLOODING, AREAS, DAVIS ISLAND, WESTERN PART OF
SOUTH TAMPA PENINSULA GOT INUNDATED WITH STORM SURGE.
BUT THE AREAS THAT JUST FLOODED, MANY OF THEM HAD NEVER
FLOODED BEFORE.
IT APPEARS THAT A LARGE PART OF THAT WAS NOT JUST THE AMOUNT
OF RAINFALL BUT ALSO LACK OF MAINTENANCE.
AFTER THE BUCKHORN TAX WAS PASSED IN 2016, THERE WAS LIKE
$2.5 MILLION OF MAINTENANCE, BUT WE CAN SEE IN CERTAIN AREAS
THAT MAINTENANCE HASN'T BEEN DONE IN DECADES.
IT LOOKS LIKE FINDING OLD EQUIPMENT FROM WORLD WAR II THAT
HAS NEVER BEEN TOUCHED.
I WONDER, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.
ONE IS, WILL BLACK & VEATCH BE LOOKING AT THE MAINTENANCE
RECORDS OF THE CITY?
SOME OF THAT MAINTENANCE IS BEING DONE NOW.
IF YOU WENT TO THOSE PLACES TODAY YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THEM
ARE SOMEWHAT CLEARED OUT.

ONE OF THEM, A CULVERT, SUPPOSED TO BE A CONDUIT FOR WATER,
IS COMPLETELY INUNDATED WITH WATER.
IT APPEARS IT IS CRACKED AND LEAKING, INUNDATED BY
GROUNDWATER.
WE KNOW THAT THOSE ISSUES CONTRIBUTED.
WILL BLACK & VEATCH BE LOOKING AT THE CITY'S MAINTENANCE
RECORDS AND COME BACK AND TELL US WHERE THERE WERE
MAINTENANCE FAILURES AND RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO FIX THAT
GOING FORWARD?
9:38:03AM >> LARGELY THAT WILL BE A QUESTION YOU ALL ANSWER BECAUSE
WE'RE GOING TO ASK THEM TO SIT DOWN WITH EACH ONE OF YOU AS
WELL AS THE CITY ADMINISTRATION AND HELP MAP OUT WHAT YOUR
AREAS OF CONCERN ARE.
I'M SURE THEY WILL HAVE THAT IN THEIR ROSTER OF THINGS TO
LOOK AT.
9:38:19AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ALSO PLACES WHERE THERE ARE DRAINAGE DITCHES
THAT AFTER THEY WERE BUILT -- OWN STORMWATER BUT THEN PEOPLE
FILL IN THE DITCHES.
DITCHES JUST FILLED IN OVER TIME.
THERE ALSO WAS SIGNIFICANT DEBRIS THAT WAS NOT -- MAJORITY
OF THE DEBRIS WAS NOT CLEANED UP BETWEEN THE FLOODING.
THAT CAUSED ADDITIONAL FLOODING.
WE HAVE RETENTION PONDS THAT APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN FULL OF
SOMETHING AND THEY ARE GOING TO NEED TO BE DREDGED.
WE NEED TO SERIOUSLY LOOK AT THAT.

THE POINT IS, THERE ARE THINGS THAT MIGHT COST A FEW MILLION
DOLLARS THAT'S NOT BILLIONS THAT COULD BE IMMEDIATE
SOLUTIONS.
I THINK MOST PEOPLE AS THEY ARE GOING THROUGH WITH THEIR
CONTRACTORS RIGHT NOW REBUILDING, PUTTING DRYWALL BACK ON
AND TRYING TO DO MOLD MITIGATION, THEY DON'T WANT THIS TO
HAPPEN AGAIN NEXT WEEK OR NEXT MONTH.
ALTHOUGH LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS ARE FIND, WE NEED TO FIND
SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS LIKE THAT.
HOPE YOU GUYS WILL LOOK AT THAT.
9:39:10AM >> YES, SIR.
9:39:10AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE SECOND THING IS AS WE'RE PLANNING
MULTIMILLION OR MULTIBILLION DOLLAR PROJECTS, WOULDN'T IT BE
PRUDENT TO WAIT UNTIL THE BLACK & VEATCH STUDY IS DONE?
9:39:21AM >> YES.
9:39:21AM >>BILL CARLSON:
-- SO WE HAVE THE NEW INFORMATION SO THAT WE
CAN SEE, FOR EXAMPLE, IS THIS THE NEW FORM?
IF THIS WAS A 500-YEAR EVENT, IS THIS THE NEW NORM THAT WE
HAVE TO BUILD TO?
IF WE HAVE ANY OLD PLANS ON THE TABLE, SHOULDN'T THEY BE
UPDATED WITH THE FINDINGS OF THIS PLAN?
9:39:39AM >> YES, SIR, I AGREE THAT IS PRUDENT TO DO.
THAT IS OUR INTENT AT THE COUNTY.
OBVIOUSLY, OUR PARTNERS, WE WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD WAIT
UNTIL THIS INITIAL EFFORT IS DONE WHERE WE HIGHLIGHT THE

MAJOR AREAS OF FOCUS AND THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO THE CAPITAL
PLANNING PORTION OF IT.
9:39:55AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SHOULDN'T THE CAPITAL PLAN BE INTEGRATED --
9:39:58AM >> YES, SIR.
9:39:59AM >>BILL CARLSON:
-- SO IT IS A CITYWIDE OR REGIONAL SYSTEM?
9:40:01AM >> I BELIEVE IT SHOULD.
AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS AT THE CITY.
WE HAVE GOOD RELATIONSHIPS WITH CITY STAFF.
OBVIOUSLY, ANYTHING THAT THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY
ADMINISTRATION WANT TO HAVE US LOOK AT COLLABORATIVELY,
WE'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO DO THAT.
9:40:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, AGAIN, THANK YOU -- THANK YOU TO THE
COUNTY SO MUCH AND COMMISSIONER COHEN FOR ALL OF HIS HELP
AND HIS COLLEAGUES FOR HELPING TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.
THANK YOU.
9:40:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:40:23AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
ON MY OTHER SIDE, WHAT MY TWO COLLEAGUES TALKED ABOUT,
THERE'S GOT TO BE A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO SOLVING THE
PROBLEM.
WE CAN'T JUST SAY IT HAPPENED.
NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERY 200 YEARS, 300 YEARS.
THE PROBLEM IS WE HAVE TO CHANGE OUR -- [INAUDIBLE] -- WHEN
YOU LOOK AT THIRD-WORLD CITIES AND COUNTRIES AROUND THE
WORLD, SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPEN, OUTSIDE DEVASTATED.

NOTHING LEFT BUT THE CORE IS STILL THERE.
WHY IS IT STILL THERE?
THEY DON'T HAVE SECOND FLOORS WITH WOOD.
ANGLED ROOFING, EAVE THAT STICKS OUT 28, 30 INCHES OUT WHERE
THE WIND CAN PICK UP THE EAVE, COLLAPSE THE WALLS AND YOU
ARE FLOODED FROM THE BOTTOM AND TOP AT THE SAME TIME.
DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF LIVING.
HOUSES BUILT SOLID OF CONCRETE, REBAR, INCH AND A HALF, TWO
INCHES FROM THE GROUND, TWO, THREE FEET DOWN ALL THE WAY TO
THE ROOF, THAT COMMUNICATES WITH ARMOR OF CONCRETE AND IRON.
AND THE SECOND FLOOR, IF ANY, IS ALL CONCRETE AND IRON, ALL
THE WAY DOWN TO THE FOUNDATION.
WHAT DOES THAT DO?
IT TAKES CARE OF THE WIND AND THE RAIN.
INSIDE, LIKE THIS BUILDING HERE, THIS IS ALL DRYWALL.
WHAT'S THAT?
DRYWALL.
WHAT'S THAT?
DRYWALL.
IF IT GETS HERE, WHAT DO YOU HAVE?
A CATASTROPHE.
BASICALLY TAKE IT ALL OUT.
THEIRS IS ALL CONCRETE INSIDE.
LOOKS JUST LIKE DRYWALL.
IF IT GETS WET, LET IT DRY, YOU PAINT IT.

A LOT OF SAVINGS TO DO ONE WAY.
MAY BE MORE EXPENSIVE START DOING IT THE WAY SOMEBODY ELSE
DOES IT.
I'M SAYING YOU CAN'T JUST LIVE ON SOMETHING THAT MAY HAPPEN,
MAY NOT HAPPEN, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
NO MATTER WHAT WE DEAL WITH TODAY, IF THE ENVIRONMENT IS NOT
LOOKED AT AND NOT FOLLOWED THROUGH, NOT HELP WHAT WE HELP
TURN WHAT IT IS TODAY, A CATASTROPHE, WE'RE ASKING FOR
TROUBLE NOT ONLY HERE, BUT THE WHOLE WORLD.
LOOK AT ALL THE STORMS.
LOOK AT ALL THE FIRES EVERYWHERE, THAT'S NOT NORMAL.
SEVEN STORMS OUT OF THE GULF, BEEN HERE A PRETTY LONG TIME
ON THIS SIDE OF THE EARTH, I ONLY REMEMBER TWO COMING OUT OF
THE GULF.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT A NORMAL THING HAPPENING OR JUST A
HAPPENING?
IT'S GOT TO CHANGE.
WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE WAY WE DO THINGS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I LOVE TREES.
HOW MANY TREES DAMAGED ROOFS THIS YEAR?
WE OUGHT TO HAVE AREAS OF TREES WHERE YOU PLANT A LOT MORE
TREES WITH SPACE BETWEEN SO THEY CAN GROW.
YOU CAN'T HAVE A TREE RIGHT NEXT TO A DRIVEWAY THAT'S 30
INCHES, 40 INCHES WIDE AND PART OF THE LIMB FALLS THROUGH
THE ROOF.

IT GREATS ANOTHER PROBLEM.
I LIKE TO SEE THE TREES PLANTED BY THIS CITY AND OTHER
CITIES AWAY FROM AREA, BUT MORE THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
LET ME STRONGLY SAY THAT AGAIN.
MORE THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW BECAUSE THEY HELP OUT SO MUCH AT
TIME WHEN THE RAINFALL IS EXACERBATED LIKE NEVER BEFORE.
AND THAT TREE CAN HOLD A LOT OF WATER.
SO ALL THOSE THINGS -- YOU DON'T HAVE A ONE-TERM SOLUTION.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MULTIPHASE SOLUTION TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM
TO THE HIGHEST DEGREE.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.
HAVEN'T TALKED ONE IOTA TO TALK ABOUT CHANGING THE BUILDING
CODES.
WE ARE THE LARGEST STATE, OTHER THAN CALIFORNIA, ALL AROUND
THE STATE OF FLORIDA, WHAT DO YOU HAVE ON THE OUTSKIRTS?
LAND AND WATER MEETING UP.
ANYTIME YOU HAVE THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM SOONER
OR LATER.
IN THIS CASE, IT WAS SOONER THAN LATER.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:43:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR
PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.
COUNCILMAN COHEN.
9:44:03AM >> THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE KIND WORDS.

I WAS ACTUALLY HERE FOR DAVE ROWLAND THIS MORNING.
BUT REALLY AND TRULY, WE ARE HERE IN THE SPIRIT OF
COLLABORATION.
WE HAVE THE EXACT SAME PROBLEMS THAT YOU ALL HAVE BEEN
FACING.
I'VE BEEN TALKING TO ALL OF YOU THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE
ORDEAL.
EVERY ONE OF US IS DEALING WITH THE SAME THING IN DIFFERENT
WAYS.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I CAN TELL YOU IS THIS IS GOING TO BE
AN INDEPENDENT LOOK.
THERE'S NOTHING OFF LIMITS.
WE MAY HAVE TO MAKE SOME TOUGH CHOICES BUT AT LEAST WE WILL
MAKE THEM WITH KNOWLEDGE AND WITH THE FACTS AND WITH THE
REAL ANALYSIS OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO BETTER PROTECT
OUR COMMUNITY GOING FORWARD.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:44:45AM >>LUIS VIERA:
30 SECONDS, IF I MAY, FOR COUNCILMAN CARLSON
AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA BROUGHT UP UNIQUE ISSUES TO AREAS AND
ENGAGEMENT WITH ELECTED OFFICIALS.
YOU KNOW, THERE IS A LOT OF BUILDING CODES, ET CETERA.
EVERY PART IS SEPARATE AND UNIQUE.
NORTH TAMPA LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE PUMPS.
TOWN N' COUNTRY, STREET DISCUSSIONS ON THE REPAVING.

AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW.
SOUTH TAMPA, SEPARATE ISSUES.
OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR TODAY.
IT'S GOING TO LOOK AT ALL OF THE UNIQUE ISSUES ASSOCIATED
WITH EACH AREA, THIS INQUIRY WILL.
JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
FROM THAT DIALOGUE WE CAN GIVE THAT INFORMATION AS THE
REPRESENTATIVES AND WITH THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND ALL THAT
STUFF.
9:45:28AM >> YES, SIR, THANK YOU.
I SHOULD NOTE, THE COUNTY IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT OUR
DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AS PART OF THIS REVIEW.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE CITY.
THAT'S, AGAIN, UP TO YOU.
THIS CAN BE LARGELY GUIDED BY WHAT YOU AND THE
ADMINISTRATION WANT TO LOOK AT.
FINALLY, I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DO NOT THANK YOU FOR YOUR
SUPPORT.
THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX DID PASS.
IT WILL PROVIDE FUNDING FOR SOME OF THE NEEDED IMPROVEMENTS
RELATED TO STORMWATER.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND INTEREST HERE TODAY.
WE DEFINITELY WILL BE IN TOUCH.
THANK YOU.

9:46:01AM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST A QUICK QUESTION.
COUNCILMAN VIERA REMINDED ME OF SOMETHING.
WE HAD WASTEWATER SYSTEM FAILURES, TOO, PARTLY RELATED TO
NOT HAVING BACKUP GENERATORS OR LACK OF CAPACITY.
ARE YOU ALL LOOKING AT WASTEWATER'S IMPACT AS WELL?
9:46:18AM >> YES, SIR. SHORT ANSWER, IS YES.
IT IS A FULL, HOLISTIC LOOK AT ALL OF OUR SYSTEMS IN THE
COUNTY THAT WERE IMPACTED BY THE FLOODING.
9:46:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:46:25AM >> THANK YOU ALL.
9:46:27AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE MY OWN
RESPONSIBILITY.
I DID NOT SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX.
THE REASON FOR THAT IS GIVE AWAY $150 MILLION MORE THAN FOR
FIRE, POLICE AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:46:43AM >> THANK YOU.
9:46:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
BEFORE WE START WITH PUBLIC COMMENT, WE HAVE AT LEAST THREE
HOURS OF PUBLIC COMMENT, PER MY CALCULATION.
WE ALSO HAVE A NIGHT MEETING THAT STARTS AT 5:01 P.M. WITH I
THINK 16 CASES, 17 CASES.
JUST TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW, MR. SHELBY, DID YOU WANT US TO
WRAP UP BY 3:45?
IS THAT THE GOAL?

9:47:10AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MY SUGGESTION, COUNCIL, KNOWING YOU HAVE
MORE THAN A FULL EVENING AGENDA TONIGHT, MY SUGGESTION TO
COUNCIL WOULD BE TO BE MINDFUL OF THE CLOCK, PARTICULARLY
AFTER LUNCH OR HOW LONG YOU TAKE FOR LUNCH.
MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO WRAP UP AT 3:45 TO SEE WHAT YOU
HAVE LEFT AND HAVE THOSE BE CONTINUED.
DO NEW BUSINESS.
BE OUT OF THE CHAMBERS BY 4:00.
TAKE AN HOUR FOR LUNCH AND BE PREPARED TO COME BACK FOR THE
START OF THE 5:00 MEETING WHEN YOU'LL HAVE A WHOLE GROUP OF
OTHER PEOPLE COMING IN HERE TO HAVE THEIR CASES HEARD.
REMINDER TO COUNCIL, IF I CAN ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS
BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT, JUST BE REMINDED THAT YOU DO HAVE
THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
DO NOT FEEL OBLIGATED TO TAKE THE FULL THREE MINUTES.
[ LAUGHTER ]
IF YOU SEE THAT YOU'RE DONE BEFORE AND THE LIGHT IS STILL
WHATEVER COLOR IT IS, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT RED, PLEASE PASS
IT ALONG TO THE NEXT PERSON SO WE CAN MOVE THIS ALONG.
IF EVERYBODY SAYS WHAT THEY SAY SUCCINCTLY, DOES NOT
NECESSARILY USE THAT TIME, WE CAN ULTIMATELY GET TO THIS
ITEM SOMETIME TODAY THAT MUCH QUICKER.
PLEASE DO SO.
ONE LAST THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP AT THIS TIME,
BECAUSE IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT A CONCERN WAS

RAISED THAT SOMEONE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO HAS COMMUNICATED
WITH THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE SUBJECTS OF ITEMS 58 AND 59 WAS
CONTRACTED BY HART TO PERFORM SERVICES ON HART'S BEHALF
WHICH WERE UNRELATED TO THE MATTERS BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
SO WITH REGARD TO THOSE ITEMS, I HAVE DETERMINED THAT NO
PROHIBITED CONFLICT OF INTEREST OR VOTING CONFLICTS EXIST
THAT WOULD PREVENT CITY COUNCIL AND ITS MEMBERS FROM VOTING
ON THIS ISSUE.
I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION AND ADDRESS
THAT ISSUE WAS RAISED AND I FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THERE IS
NO PROHIBITED CONFLICT UNDER FLORIDA STATUTES NOR A VOTING
CONFLICT.
THANK YOU.
9:49:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE HAVE ONE REGISTERED SPEAKER.
MR. MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
THEN WE'LL GO TO EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
9:49:19AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
I'M WITH THE WEST TAMPA CDC.
I ATTENDED THE LAST WEST TAMPA CAC MEETING IN WHICH WE STOOD
WITH THE WEST TAMPA RIVERFRONT EXTENSION.
THE CAC ALSO VOTED FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROGRAM.

WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR ROLE TO WORK WITH THE ENTITIES TO
CONNECT LOCAL BUSINESSES AS WELL AS JOBS TO THE COMMUNITY.
TWO UPCOMING MEETINGS.
ON THE 28th OF DECEMBER, WE'RE HAVING A MEETING CALLED
HEALTH IS WEALTH.
AS YOU KNOW IN THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY THERE ARE ALL
KINDS OF HEALTH ISSUES THAT COULD BE PREVENTED.
WE'RE GOING TO USE COMMUNITY -- TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUE.
THIS ISSUE IS RELATED TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THE
UNHEALTHY COMMUNITY LEADS TO A COMMUNITY WHERE THERE ARE
ISSUES -- THE NEXT MEETING ON THE 18th IS GOING TO BE
TITLED REDUCING CRIME, USING AN ECONOMIC APPROACH WHICH
WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON GOALS AND THOSE WITH CRIMINAL
RECORDS TO HELP THEM TO GET BACK INTO THE JOB MARKET.
AS YOU KNOW, THE NEW YEAR IS GOING TO BRING A NEW OFFICE FOR
THE WEST TAMPA CDC AND WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
IN THAT, WE'RE GOING TO BE TRAINING RESIDENTS AS WE LAUNCH A
GRANT MARATHON NEXT YEAR TO INCREASE FUNDING TO THE WEST
TAMPA CDC WHILE AT THE SAME TIME PROVIDING RESIDENTS WITH
SKILLS NECESSARY SO THEY CAN ALSO GET A BENEFIT.
GRANT WRITERS ANYWHERE FROM 20 TO UP TO $200 AN HOUR.
WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEW YEAR.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:51:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. RANDOLPH.
ENJOY YOUR DAY.

ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL GO INTO THE IN-PERSON PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE FIRST THREE SPEAKERS ARE ASHLEY MORAN, KELSEY UNSWORTH
AND AMY BRAWN.
9:51:44AM >> HI.
ASHLEY MORAN.
I'VE LIVED IN PARKLAND ESTATES FOR 25 YEARS.
AS YOU KNOW, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS FLOODED MANY TIMES SINCE
2015.
DURING WHICH TIME THE CITY HAS BEEN STUDYING THE ISSUES.
ON THE NIGHT OF THE HURRICANE, I WAS TRAPPED IN MY FLOODED
HOME FOR NINE HOURS WITH MY ELDERLY EVACUATED IN-LAWS FROM
DAVIS ISLAND, MY SON, MY DOGS AND A VERY ANGRY CAT WHILE MY
HUSBAND WHO WORKS FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY WORKED AT THE
EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER.
WE WERE UNABLE TO GET OUT OF OUR HOME UNTIL 6:30 THE NEXT
MORNING WHEN THE WATER FINALLY BEGAN TO RECEDE AND WE COULD
AT LEAST OPEN THE DOORS.
IT WAS A VERY TRAUMATIC NIGHT AND SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED
BECAUSE THERE IS A SOLUTION AVAILABLE.
WE ARE UNABLE TO LIVE IN OUR HOME AND THE FINANCIAL IMPACT
ON US AND OUR NEIGHBORS HAS BEEN UNBELIEVABLE.
IT'S SAD TO ME THAT WE HAVE TO FIGHT FOR THE FLOOD RELIEF
PROGRAM.
IT'S TIME TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A SOLUTION THAT HAS BEEN

GIVEN BY THE EXPERTS INSTEAD OF STUDYING IT FOR MANY MORE
YEARS.
THANK YOU.
9:52:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
KELSEY UNSWORTH, AMY BRAWN AND HARRY COLEMAN.
GOOD MORNING.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:53:05AM >> HI.
KELSEY UNSWORTH.
MY HOME IN PARKLAND ESTATES IS ON THE ROUTE PROPOSED FOR THE
PROJECT AND I SUPPORT THE PROJECT.
NOT ALL BUSINESSES FLOODED ARE ABLE TO HIRE LOBBYISTS TO
ADVOCATE FOR INTERESTS.
NOT ALL ABLE TO COORDINATE A MEDIA BLITZ ACROSS NEWSPAPERS
AND TV.
SWANN IS A FAMILY RUN BUSINESS AND THEY FLOODED IN MILTON
AND ALMOST HAD TO SHUT DOWN PERMANENTLY.
WE NEED TO STOP THE FLOODING TO SAVE THE BUSINESSES.
IT'S BEEN LONG ENOUGH.
THIS NEEDS TO START TODAY.
THE OWNERS OF DRIVEN CANNOT BE HERE TODAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE
TO GO TO WORK TO KEEP THE DOORS OPEN.
BUT MADE A VIDEO THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PLAY.
9:53:43AM >> WE HAVE SPENT TIME REMEDIATING AND REMODELING OUR

FACILITY DUE TO FLOODWATERS FROM HURRICANE MILTON.
THE HURRICANE WATERS -- ABOUT 14 INCHES.
THIS IS DUE TO ANTIQUATED FLOOD SYSTEM IN SOUTH TAMPA.
9:53:57AM >> NOT ONLY IS IT AFFECTING US AS A BUSINESS, BUT THE ENTIRE
COMMUNITY.
A LOT OF OUR CLIENTS, THEY WALK RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET TO
COME SEE US EVERY DAY.
IT'S NOT ONLY HURT US, BUT HURT THEIR HOMES AS WELL.
9:54:10AM >> WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE FLOODWATER INITIATIVE HERE IN
SOUTH TAMPA BY WHATEVER MEANS NECESSARY.
THIS INITIATIVE SHOULD BE FAST TRACKED TO COMPLETION.
THIS IS ONLY GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS MORE OFTEN.
IF WE DO NOT UPGRADE THE FLOODWATER SYSTEM, THEN SMALL
BUSINESSES WILL LEAVE THIS COMMUNITY, FURTHER IMPACTING THE
GREAT COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE BUILT HERE.
9:54:35AM >> THANK YOU.
9:54:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AMY BRAWN, COLEMAN, SHAUN ROUTTEN.
GOOD MORNING, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:54:46AM >> HI.
GOOD MORNING.
THIS IS AMY BROWN.
I LIVE IN PARKLAND ESTATES.
I SPOKE AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT HOW IT'S NOT JUST FOLKS
FLOODED THAT ARE SUPPORTING THIS.
I'M BACK TODAY TO CONTINUE MY SUPPORT AND REALLY TAKE A STEP

BACK AND DO THIS FROM THE APPROACH OF REALLY THINKING ABOUT
THE FUTURE GENERATIONS.
THIS PROJECT IS ALSO A LOT LESS COSTLY THAN WHAT HARRY FROM
THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OFFICE HAS MENTIONED.
WOULD REALLY LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CONSIDER THIS AND TRY
TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
I KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF SHORT-TERM PAIN,
ESPECIALLY FOR THE BUSINESSES ON HOWARD.
THE PROXIMITY TO THESE BUSINESSES IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY
WE MOVED HERE.
WE FREQUENT THE EPICUREAN FOR BRUNCH, BERNS FOR DINNER.
A TIP, IF YOU GO OUT FOR DINNER SOMEWHERE ELSE, YOU CAN
ALWAYS DO A RESERVATION AT THE DESSERT ROOM TO FINISH YOUR
NIGHT AND WE OFTEN DO THAT.
WE GO TO THE GREEN LEMON, DAILY EATS, YOU NAME IT.
WE GO THERE OFTEN.
BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BUSINESSES, WE CANNOT IGNORE THE
AGGREGATE BUSINESSES, THAT INCLUDES THE DOZENS THAT HAVE
LOST EVERYTHING ON SWANN, THAT WILL NOT HAVE CERTAINTY THIS
WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN OVER AND OVER.
I'M NOT SUPPORTING THIS BILL JUST TO SAVE A FEW HOUSES IN
PARKLAND ESTATES.
I'M DOING THIS TO PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF THE OVERALL
NEIGHBORHOOD AT LARGE, AS A WHOLE FOR DECADES TO COME.
THANK YOU.

9:56:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
HARRY COLEMAN, SHAUN ROUTTEN, WILL COLEMAN.
GOOD MORNING, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:56:25AM >> HARRY COLEMAN.
PARKLAND ESTATES.
I SUPPORT THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT AS
CONCEIVED.
I IMPLORE YOU TO VOTE TO APPROVE IT TODAY.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TODAY.
I SPOKE TO A LOT OF NEIGHBORS, INCLUDING BUSINESS OWNERS
OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS AS MY FAMILY TRIES TO REBUILD OUR
LIVES AND OUR HOME.
MY STORY IS NOT UNCOMMON.
OVER A HUNDRED HOMES FLOODED AND HALF AS MANY BUSINESSES
FLOODED.
AND NOT JUST DURING MILTON, BUT ALL SUMMER LONG.
WE CAME TOGETHER.
THOSE FLOODED NEIGHBORS HELPED OTHER FLOODED NEIGHBORS.
WE FOUND RESOURCES.
WE REACHED OUT TO YOU.
THANK YOU GUYS SO, SO MUCH.
BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.
WHEN AMERICA FALLS DOWN, AMERICANS HELP EACH OTHER BACK UP.
THE WEEKEND BEFORE HALLOWEEN, THE ONE THAT I DID NOT GET TO
SPEND WITH MY FAMILY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I CLEANED THE CITY.

EVEN THOUGH CRANE TRUCKS PICKED UP THE MAJORITY OF MY
HOUSEHOLD ITEMS, THERE WERE STILL BROKEN BITS OF GLASS,
FURNITURE, TOYS, AND NAILS.
AND I DIDN'T WANT MY KIDS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD TO SUFFER ON
HALLOWEEN WHEN THEY WANTED TO TRICK OR TREAT.
I DO THAT BECAUSE I LOVE MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND BECAUSE EVEN
THOUGH I WOULDN'T BENEFIT FOR IT, MY NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD.
I'VE HEARD A LOT OF RESIDENTS COME IN HERE AND FOCUS ON WHAT
THEY POTENTIALLY STAND TO LOSE DURING THE PROJECT, WHETHER
DISRUPTED STREETS, BUSINESS NUANCES OR POTENTIAL PROPERTY
IMPACTS AND SECOND GUESS THE ENGINEERS, TALK ABOUT LESS
EFFECTIVE ROUTES OR LESS EFFECTIVE PROCEDURES AND THEY
DEFINITELY WANT TO PUSH FOR ROUTES THAT DON'T AFFECT THEIR
PROPERTY.
BUT THAT'S NOT ME.
I DON'T CARE WHICH ROUTE IS CHOSEN.
THEY WANT TO USE PARKLAND AND LAKEVIEW, THE INTERSECTION
RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY HOME, THEY CAN FOR THE ROUTE.
ANYONE WHO IS DISRUPTED FROM THEIR BUSINESS WHO WANTS TO
PARK ON MY RIGHT-OF-WAY, PLEASE HAVE AT IT.
IF YOU WANT TO RUN YOUR DELIVERY TRUCKS DOWN MY STREET WHILE
I TRIM THE TREES UP TO 17 FEET, GO RIGHT AHEAD BECAUSE
THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD DO.
ANY TEMPORARY INCONVENIENCE IF IT MEANS PROTECTING OUR
HOUSES AND OUR BUSINESSES FOR A LIFETIME IS WORTH IT.

THIS WILL ACTUALLY DRIVE UP THE PROPERTY VALUES.
SOUTH TAMPA IS AN ECONOMIC ENGINE, AND THEY BOTH RELY ON
EACH OTHER.
THE BUSINESSES AND THE COMMUNITIES.
PEOPLE COME DOWN TO SOUTH HOWARD RESTAURANTS.
THEY HAVE A GREAT TIME AND THEN THEY WANT TO LIVE IN THAT
NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S WHAT WE DID.
NOW WE GO TO THOSE RESTAURANTS ALL THE TIME AND WE GO ACROSS
THE STREET TO PALMA CEIA PINES AS WELL.
MY WIFE WORKS AT HCA.
SO, PLEASE, WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER.
I SUPPORT THE PLAN.
I'M HERE TO HELP.
PLEASE HELP ME HELP VOTE TO APPROVE THE PLAN TODAY.
9:59:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
SHAWN IS THE NEXT SPEAKER.
SHAWN, WILL COLEMAN, DAVID ADAMS.
9:59:26AM >> SHAUN ROUTTEN, GENERAL MANAGER OF THE EPICUREAN HOTEL.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY, CITY COUNCIL.
I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF OPENING THE EPICUREAN AND WORKING
THERE OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS AND BEING A PART OF HOWARD'S
CHARMING TOURIST DESTINATION.
I'M ASKING TODAY WITH DIRE URGENCY TO PLEASE PUT A PAUSE ON
THIS PLAN FOR 90 DAYS TO FIND A FURTHER SOLUTION THAT WILL

ALLOW MITIGATION FOR PARKLAND ESTATES AS WELL AS LOOK AT AN
ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION THAT DOES NOT TURN HOWARD AVENUE AND
OUR BUSINESSES INTO A WAR ZONE.
I FEEL GREATLY FOR THE RESIDENTS OF PARKLAND ESTATES.
WE'RE ACTUALLY ZONED Z AT THE EPICUREAN HOTEL.
OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS WE HAVE ACTUALLY BECOME A SAFE HAVEN
FOR PEOPLE AT FLOOD RISK.
STAY WITH US, WE FEED THEM.
HEAR THEIR STORIES, CALM THEM DOWN, MEET THEIR KIDS UNTIL
THE LEAVE THE NEXT DAY AND SOME HAVE TO EXTEND BECAUSE THEIR
HOUSES HAVE BEEN DAMAGED.
I INTERNALIZE WITH IT.
OUR TEAM ALSO LEAVES THEIR FAMILIES AND THEIR HOMES NOT
KNOWING WHAT THEY GO HOME TO.
MANY OF THEM WENT HOME JUST LIKE THE PARKLAND PEOPLE TO
REALIZE THEY HAD BEEN AFFECTED AS WELL.
I LIVE ON NORTH OREGON AVENUE RIGHT PERPENDICULAR FROM CASS
WHERE THIS PROJECT WAS JUST DONE TWO YEARS AGO USING 10-FOOT
CULVERTS, 8-FOOT CULVERTS, AND 7-FOOT CULVERTS.
JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS IN PARKLAND, MY STREET FLOODS ALL THE
WAY UP INTO MY YARD.
I HAVE TO CLOSE MY BLINDS WHEN IT RAINS BECAUSE MY
THREE-YEAR-OLD IS TERRIFIED.
MY FIVE-YEAR-OLD THINKS IT'S AWESOME AND GOES UPSTAIRS TO
WATCH IT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.
I ALSO WANT EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND THAT OUR TEAM AT
EPICUREAN, WE'RE FAMILY TO US.
THEY HAVE FAMILIES TOO.
WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE.
THE HARDEST DAY OF MY CAREER WAS SITTING DOWN WITH MY
EMPLOYEES DURING COVID AND SAY I CAN NO LONGER EMPLOY YOU.
I WILL NEVER FORGET THAT DAY.
I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE'S HOMES WERE AFFECTED AND
FLOODED.
THEY WILL NEVER FORGET THAT DAY EITHER.
SINCE THERE WAS NEVER A FINANCIAL IMPACT STUDY DONE ON THIS
PROJECT, LET ME PUT IN PERSPECTIVE A FEW KEY ELEMENTS WITH
US AS A HOTEL.
I HAVE A CONTRACT RIGHT NOW, ONE CONTRACT.
$2.2 MILLION A YEAR.
THIS BLEEDS INTO THREE YEARS, IT IS AN AIRLINE CONTRACT
$6.6 MILLION LOSS.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE PROPER SLEEP DURING REGULATION FOR SAFETY
TO FLY.
SOME OF THEM COME AT ODD HOURS DURING THE DAY AND THEY HAVE
TO SLEEP DURING THE DAY.
I HAVE A NUMBER OF LOYALISTS AND CLIENTS WHO HAVE COME TO US
FOR YEARS.
THEY ARE NO LONGER GOING TO BE ABLE TO COME, MANY ARE

PROFESSIONAL NHL TEAMS.
I'M NOT HERE TO MAKE IT ABOUT SPECIFIC GROUPS.
WE HAVE TO SIGN A CONTRACT WITH ALL OF OUR CLIENTS SAYING
THAT WE ARE FREE OF DISRUPTION AS WELL AS CONSTRUCTION.
LASTLY IS THE LOYALISTS.
WE APPRECIATE THE LOYALISTS WHO COME IN THE PARKLAND
ESTATES, BUT THE SOLUTION IS AND I'LL ASK EVERYONE IN THIS
ROOM TO HAVE A PARKING LOT WHERE MY FAMILY PARKS AND THEY
DRIVE IN A GOLF CART DOWN A DIRT ROAD TO GET TO A PLACE, ARE
THEY GOING TO DO IT?
NO.
10:02:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
NEXT WE HAVE WILL COLEMAN, DAVID ADAMS, AND CJ CORNEIL.
10:02:47AM >> MY NAME IS WILL COLEMAN.
11 YEARS OLD, RESIDENT OF PARKLAND ESTATES AND STUDENT OF
WILSON MIDDLE SCHOOL.
I SUPPORT THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT AND HOPE YOU
APPROVE IT TODAY. MY HOME WAS DESTROYED BY THE FLOODING AND
MY LIFE HAS BEEN DISRUPTED.
I DID NOT TRICK OR TREAT IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF
THE FLOODING.
MY SISTER AND I WILL NOT GET TO SPEND THANKSGIVING IN OUR
OWN HOUSE NEXT WEEK.
I WILL NOT GET TO WAKE UP ON CHRISTMAS MORNING AND OPEN
PRESENTS IN MY OWN HOME AND WILL NOT GET TO SPEND NEW YEAR'S

DAY THERE EITHER.
EVERYTHING HAS BEEN TAKEN FROM MY FAMILY EVEN THOUGH WE DID
NOTHING WRONG.
MY HOME FLOODED AND NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT THAT.
DO NOT GET TO CELEBRATE THE HOLIDAYS AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW
THAT.
ONE THING YOU CAN DO IT GIVE US HOPE.
APPROVE THE PLAN SO WE CAN REBUILD WITH HOPE.
THANK YOU.
10:03:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
NEXT IS DAVID ADAMS, CJ CORNEIL AND RUMELA DOSS.
10:03:44AM >> MY NAME IS DAVID ADAMS.
I LIVE IN PARKLAND ESTATES AND LIVED THERE APPROXIMATELY 30
PLUS YEARS.
EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS, BUT FLOODING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS A
SERIOUS PROBLEM.
ACCORDING TO THE PROGRAM LAST MONDAY NIGHT, 150 TO 250 HOMES
AND BUSINESSES WERE FLOODED DURING HURRICANE MILTON.
THE AREA HAS FLOODED TEN TIMES DURING NORMAL SUMMER
RAINSTORMS BEFORE HURRICANE MILTON.
LIKE TO SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES OF THE NON-HURRICANE
FLOODING.
THIS IS MY HOUSE ON SEPTEMBER 3.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY WATER.
IT IS SANDBAGGED UP AT THE GARAGE DOOR.

WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO SANDBAG OUR HOUSES DURING NORMAL
RAINSTORM EVENTS.
THIS IS HOW I GET TO MY HOUSE ON THESE DAYS.
YOU CAN SEE THE WATER COMES UP TO MY WAIST.
THIS IS HOW CARS NAVIGATE THROUGH THIS WATER, MANY OF WHICH
ARE RUINED.
I'VE PERSONALLY PUSHED AT LEAST TEN CARS OUT OF THE
INTERSECTIONS AND WITNESSED AT LEAST A HUNDRED VEHICLES OVER
THE LAST FEW MONTHS.
LASTLY, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO PARKED CARS AND CARS THAT
CAN'T MAKE IT THROUGH THE WATER.
THAT'S AN AUDI.
PROBABLY 50, 60 THOUSAND DOLLARS.
WE DID FOR BE SAFE IN OUR HOMES.
WHEN A GUNSHOT IS FIRED ON SOUTH HOWARD, POLICE ARE THERE IN
TWO MINUTES.
WHEN YOUR HOUSE CATCHES ON FIRE, FIRE DEPARTMENT SHOWS UP IN
FIVE MINUTES.
WHEN WE HAVE STRUCTURAL FLOODING, IT TAKES NINE YEARS TO
COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.
TODAY YOU ARE BEING ASKED TO DESIGN A PROJECT.
LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN, DESIGN A PROJECT.
YOU ARE NOT AUTHORIZING CONSTRUCTION.
THE CITY HAS BUDGETED $300,000 FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
EVERY VOICE WILL BE HEARD, MANY TODAY.

THE FINAL ROUTE PRESENTED AT CONSTRUCTION.
VOTING NO ON A DESIGN IS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE.
YOU WILL HEAR OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT THIS MORNING.
THEY'LL TELL YOU THAT THE SKY IS FALLING.
BUSINESSES WILL FAIL.
EMPLOYEES WILL BE FIRED.
THEY'LL LOSE THEIR JOBS.
BUT NONE OF THOSE THINGS ARE TRUE BECAUSE YOU ARE ONLY
AUTHORIZING DESIGN OF A PROJECT, DESIGNING OF A PROJECT
WON'T HURT ANYONE.
THIS FLOODING IS A VERY, VERY, VERY SERIOUS PROBLEM.
YOU NEED TO MOVE 50 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER FROM THIS
200-ACRE BASIN.
YOU CAN'T IMAGINE THE EMOTIONAL AND FINANCIAL TURMOIL THAT
WE FELT FROM OUR HOUSES BEING FLOODED.
I HAD 33 INCHES OF WATER, 12 INSIDE.
SO I'M ASKING YOU, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE VOTE YES FOR THE
DESIGN OF THIS PROCESS.
THANK YOU.
10:06:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
CJ CORNEIL.
GOOD MORNING, MA'AM.
FOLLOWED BY RUMELA DOSSS AND FRANK RUSSO.
10:06:42AM >> I'M JOANIE CORNEIL.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

FIRST OF ALL, I AGREE THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE FIXED.
HOWEVER, THIS PROPOSAL OF WIDENING THE STREETS, PUTTING IN
UNDERGROUND TECO LINES, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, THAT HAS BEEN
DESIGNED IS NOT GOING TO WORK AND NOT ALLEVIATE ALL THE
PROBLEMS.
ONE OF THE OPTIONS IS THE LEAD ENGINEER RESPONDED MONDAY
NIGHT THAT THERE ARE MEDIANS ON HOWARD AVENUE THAT COULD BE
TAKEN OUT TO ALLOW ALL THIS WORK.
AND ANYONE WHO HAS DRIVEN OR WALKED DOWN HOWARD AVENUE KNOWS
THAT THE ONLY PLACE THAT THERE IS SOMEWHAT OF A MEDIAN IS IN
FRONT OF THE EPICUREAN HOTEL.
THE ISSUE AND MANY THINGS THAT THEY HAVE OUTLINED IS NOT
TRUE.
THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS TO THIS PROJECT BESIDES HOWARD
AVENUE.
I OWN A BUSINESS ON HOWARD AND HAVE FOR 38 YEARS.
THIS WILL KNOCK ME OUT OF BUSINESS.
WE HAVE SO MANY DELIVERIES EVERY DAY.
I PUT ONE OF THEM RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS A SEMI TRAILER WHICH YOU'VE ALL SEEN.
AND ANY OF THESE TYPES OF OPTIONS LIKE GOING DOWN SIDE
STREETS, CAN YOU IMAGINE HOW THESE TRUCKS ARE GOING TO
OBLITERATE THE BRICK STREETS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD?
ALSO, THEY SAY IF THEY BRING PRODUCT IN ON THESE, ON THE
SIDE STREETS, THEY WILL BRING OUT GOLF CARTS TO PICK UP THE

PRODUCT TO TRANSPORT TO THE RESTAURANTS.
THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
THE DELIVERIES THAT ARE MADE WITH DIFFERENT TYPES OF
PRODUCTS, LIKE FRESH MEATS, DAIRY, PRODUCE, WINE THROUGH THE
HEAT ON HOWARD AVENUE IN THE SUMMERTIME, I WONDER IF THE
DEPARTMENT OF PROFESSIONAL REGULATION OR THE HEALTH
DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO LIKE THIS IDEA FOR THOSE ITEMS TO BE
CARRIED BY GOLF CARTS, HOW MANY GOLF CARTS IS IT GOING TO
TAKE TO UNLOAD PRODUCT FOR MY RESTAURANT?
HOW MANY IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO UNLOAD FOR BERNS STEAK HOUSE
OR THE EPICUREAN?
THIS IS A LUDICROUS IDEA.
AGAIN, THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS TO ALLEVIATE THIS FLOODING IN
PARKLAND ESTATES AND OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS.
THEN THE NEXT ITEM THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT WAS THAT THEY
WOULD HAVE CUSTOMERS GO DOWNTOWN, PARK IN A PARKING GARAGE,
AND THEY WOULD BE TRANSPORTED TO THE RESTAURANTS.
NO ONE IS GOING TO DO THAT.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.
I WOULDN'T DO THAT.
I OPENED MY RESTAURANT 38 YEARS AGO, AND I EMPLOY WELL OVER
60 PEOPLE.
AND THEY WILL BE OUT TRYING TO FIND ANOTHER JOB SOMEWHERE
ELSE BECAUSE EVEN IF WE GET HALF THE AMOUNT OF CUSTOMERS IN
THE RESTAURANT, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT

THEIR FAMILIES.
THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS TO THIS PLAN THAT IS WRONG.
THIS IS GOING TO CERTAINLY DEVASTATE ME, MY FAMILY, AND MY
LONG-TERM EMPLOYEES.
I HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR OVER THREE
DECADES.
IT'S GOING TO BE DEVASTATING.
SO BEFORE YOU CAST YOUR VOTE, I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THE
OVER 1700 PEOPLE EMPLOYED ON HOWARD AVENUE AND THE EFFECT
IT'S GOING TO HAVE ON THEM.
I REALLY WANT YOU TO THINK HARD ABOUT VOTING FOR THIS
PROJECT.
THINK TWICE YOUR CONSCIENCE OF VOTING NO.
THANK YOU.
10:11:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
RUMELA DOSSS, FRANK RUSSO, JOE COLLIER.
GOOD MORNING, MA'AM.
10:11:10AM >> RUMELA DOSSS, HOMEOWNER AT PARKLAND ESTATES WHO DID NOT
FLOOD.
I'M HERE BECAUSE I CARE ABOUT OUR CITY AND KEEPING IT SAFE
FOR RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES.
I ALSO CARE ABOUT KEEPING OUR CITY FUN AND LIVELY AND A
PLACE PEOPLE WANT TO BE.
I KNOW YOU CARE ABOUT THOSE TWO THINGS WHICH IS WHY YOU
ABSOLUTELY MUST VOTE YES ON THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF
PROJECT.

EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM AGREES THAT FLOOD RELIEF IS BADLY
NEEDED IN THE TARGET AREA.
EVERYONE SHOULD ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT IF THIS PROJECT IS NOT
APPROVED TO MOVE FORWARD TODAY AFTER NINE YEARS OF INTENSIVE
STUDY OF ALL FEASIBLE ALTERNATIVES AND FUNDING FROM THREE
DIFFERENT GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, IT WILL TAKE LIKELY ANOTHER
DECADE TO GET ANOTHER PROJECT GOING FROM THE GROUND UP.
TAMPA DOES NOT HAVE THAT KIND OF TIME.
THE HUNDREDS OF RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES THAT HAVE FLOODED
DO NOT HAVE THAT KIND OF TIME.
YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD ABOUT HOW OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FLOODS IN AN
AFTERNOON THUNDERSTORM, WHICH MEANS NO ACCESS TO EMERGENCY
SERVICES AND COMBINED WITH THE OVERHEAD POWER LINES THAT
HAVE FALLEN TWICE IN THE LAST YEAR, PRESENT AN ENORMOUS RISK
TO ALL THE FAMILIES AND KIDS THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS SITUATION IS CREATED BY THE CITY'S INACTION THUS FAR.
YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECTIFY THAT TODAY BY VOTING
YES.
SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SAFETY, WHICH I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE
ON.
NOW LET ME GET TO THE REAL CONTENTIOUS POINT HERE WHICH IS
KEEPING OUR CITY FUN AND LIVELY.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE REASON WHY I CHOSE TO LIVE IN PARKLAND
ESTATES MYSELF.
I CAME HERE AFTER LIVING IN BOSTON, NEW YORK, MIAMI, AND

HONG KONG.
I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HAPPY IF I DIDN'T CHOOSE A PLACE LIKE
PARKLAND ESTATES WHICH IS SO CLOSE TO SOUTH HOWARD WHICH WAS
LITERALLY THE NUMBER ONE SELLING POINT FOR CHOOSING THE
AREA.
THOSE BUSINESSES WHAT ARE MAKE PARKLAND ESTATES SO DESIRABLE
AND THEY MUST NOT BE HARMED BY THIS PROJECT.
BUT THE KEY POINT IS THAT THEY WON'T BE HARMED.
WE'VE HEARD FROM JOHN OF KIMMINS THAT THE VIBRATIONS WILL BE
MONITORED CONSTANTLY SO BERNS PRECIOUS WINE COLLECTION WILL
BE SAFE.
WE'VE HEARD FROM VIK BHIDE, TAMPA'S DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY
THAT THE SIDEWALKS WILL BE KEPT OPEN TO ABSOLUTELY MAINTAIN
INGRESS AND EGRESS FOR THE BUSINESSES.
WE, HOWEVER, DO NOT HAVE INGRESS AND EGRESS WHEN THERE IS AN
AFTERNOON THUNDERSTORM.
NOW YOU'RE HEARING FROM ME AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE
COMMUNITY WILL BE TELLING YOU THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO OUR
BEST TO SEND AS MUCH BUSINESS AS WE POSSIBLY CAN TO THESE
SMALL BUSINESSES ON SOUTH HOWARD DURING THE TIME THAT THE
CONSTRUCTION IS HAPPENING JUST TO SHOW THAT WE CARE AND WE
SUPPORT THEM.
HAVE YOU GUYS HEARD OF -- THEY HAD THE POWER IN THE PAST TO
MAKE OR BREAK BUSINESSES.
WE WILL WIELD THE POWER OF MOST AND OTHER SOCIAL MEDIA

STREET SIGNAGE, EVERYTHING WE CAN TO SUPPORT OUR VALUABLE
BUSINESS NEIGHBORS AT SOUTH HOWARD.
WE DO NOT WANT THEM TO SUFFER.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS A WELL-STUDIED AND FULLY
FUNDED PROJECT THAT IS THE ONLY SOLUTION THAT WILL GET US
FLOOD RELIEF WITHOUT HAVING TO WAIT ANOTHER DECADE.
IT WILL SERVE US WELL FOR MULTIPLE GENERATIONS.
WE WILL MAKE SURE THE IMPACTS ARE MINIMAL.
HONORABLE COUNCIL MEMBERS, PLEASE, BELIEVE IN THE ENGINEERS,
BELIEVE IN THE COMMUNITY AND VOTE YES TO KEEP YOUR
CONSTITUENTS SAFE.
THANK YOU.
10:14:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
FRANK RUSSO.
JOE COLLIER.
TRILLIAN BALDASSARI.
10:14:22AM >> GOOD MORNING.
FRANK RUSSO.
I'M AN EMPLOYEE OF BERN'S STEAK HOUSE.
I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF OUR 300 PLUS EMPLOYEES THAT WE
HAVE AND ASKING YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER THIS.
THE DEVASTATION THAT IT WOULD CREATE FOR OUR EMPLOYEES AND
THEIR FAMILIES.
THE TRICKLE-DOWN EFFECT OF IT ALONE WOULD BE YEARS OF
DESTRUCTION TO OUR BUSINESSES.

THE EMPLOYEES RELY ON US.
WE LOVE AND RESPECT OUR EMPLOYEES THAT ARE A PART OF US.
THEY HAVE BECOME A PART OF OUR FAMILY.
WE'RE NOT BLIND TO THE FACT THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR THIS
WATER TO FIND A NEW PATH.
WE'RE PERFECTLY AWARE OF IT.
WE'RE NOT BLIND TO IT.
BUT WE DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS.
PLEASE CONSIDER THOSE OTHER OPTIONS.
WE LOVE AND RESPECT TAMPA.
WE'VE DONE GREAT THINGS FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE CITY OF
TAMPA AT BERN'S STEAK HOUSE.
FOR 70 YEARS, WE'VE BEEN A KEY PART OF EVERY DEVELOPMENT AND
EVERYTHING THAT'S DONE WITHIN THE CITY.
WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR CONSIDERATION TO PLEASE RELOOK AT THIS
VENTURE.
LOOK AT THE OTHER AVENUES THAT CAN TAKE PLACE, THAT YOU CAN
USE AND LET US KNOW.
WE LOVE OUR PEOPLE.
WE LOVE OUR COMMUNITY.
WE LOVE WHAT WE DO.
WE WANT TO KNOW THAT WE ARE LOVED BY YOU, THE CITY COUNCIL
AS WELL, AND THINK OF US.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU.
I HOPE YOU DO CONSIDER THIS AND KNOW THAT THERE ARE MANY

MORE, NOT JUST 300 FAMILIES AT BERNS, BUT ALL THOSE
BUSINESSES ALONG THAT COMMUNITY LINE.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
PLEASE CONSIDER US.
THANK YOU.
10:16:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
JOE COLLIER.
TRILLIAN BALDASSARI.
DAVID DeLOACH.
I WAS ASKED THAT WHOEVER THE NEXT SPEAKER IS, AFTER THE
CURRENT SPEAKER, JUST PLEASE LINE UP BY THE WALL SO WE CAN
KEEP THE FLOW GOING.
GOOD MORNING, MR. COLLIER.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:16:45AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS JOE COLLIER.
GENERAL PARTNER OF THE EPICUREAN HOTEL AND CEO OF MAIN SAIL
LODGING AND DEVELOPMENT.
EMPLOY 125 PEOPLE AT THE EPICUREAN HOTEL.
THE SOHO BUSINESS DISTRICT HAS GROWN ORGANICALLY OVER THE
LAST 50 YEARS AND POPULATED BY NOTHING BUT FAMILY OWNED
BUSINESSES.
UNLIKE DOWNTOWN AND PROJECTS LIKE WATER STREET, WE NEVER
ASKED OR RECEIVED ANY TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT DOLLARS OR THE
TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN TAX INCENTIVES OR OTHER.

WE HAVE CREATED A POPULAR AND WALKABLE AREA FOR TOURISTS AND
LOCALS WITH OUR OWN MONEY AND PAID OUR TAXES ALONG THE WAY.
WE AGREE WITH OUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS IN PARKLAND THAT
THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE DREAD AND DAMAGE OF
FLOODING.
WE WANT TO HELP SOLVE THIS ISSUE.
THE CITY TEAM HAS PITTED US AGAINST SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS
THAT HAPPEN TO BE FRIENDS AND CUSTOMERS BY CREATING A FALSE
CHOICE.
IT'S A FALSE CHOICE.
IT'S EITHER AGREE TO THE SOUTH HOWARD PLAN AND BLINDLY TAKE
THE WORD OF THESE PARTICULAR ENGINEERS OR CONTINUE TO FLOOD.
IT IS A RIDICULOUS AND UNNECESSARY CHOICE.
WE CAN DO BOTH, SOLVE THE FLOODING AND NOT DESTROY PEOPLE'S
BUSINESSES AND LIVELIHOODS.
A LARGE PORTION OF THE PARKLAND RESIDENTS DON'T WANT THIS
PLAN.
ASK THEM.
THEY DON'T WANT THIS PLAN IN PART IT DOESN'T IMPROVE
ANYTHING FOR THEM FOR OVER THREE YEARS.
DOESN'T TOUCH THEM FOR THREE YEARS.
WE CAN DO BETTER.
IT IS A COMPLETE FANTASY BY ENGINEERS THAT DON'T HAVE TO
MAKE PAYROLL OR DEBT SERVICE AND BY A CONTRACTOR THAT'S IN
THE MIX NOW THAT STANDS TO MAKE 65 MILLION THAT YOU CAN

CLOSE HOWARD AVENUE AND NOT DESTROY THESE BUSINESSES AND YOU
WILL CREATE HAVOC IN HYDE PARK AND NEW SUBURB BEAUTIFUL.
ONCE YOU START THE PROJECT, HOWARD AVENUE IS NO LONGER A
THOROUGHFARE AND 10,000 CARS A DAY WILL START DIVERTING.
SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE HOTEL, WHAT MOTHER OF THE BRIDE IS
GOING TO PLAN THEIR WEDDING WHEN THEIR GUESTS HAVE TO TALK
ABOUT SATELLITE LOTS, CAN'T GET TO THE FRONT DOOR AND
DRESSES AND TUXEDOS AND HAVE TO BE TRANSPORTED IN GOLF CARTS
TO THESE RESTAURANTS THROUGH THE DIRT AND MUD?
BE REAL.
ARE YOU GOING TO DRESS UP AND DO THAT?
YOU'RE NOT.
NO, YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE YOUR BEHAVIORS AND AVOID SOUTH
HOWARD FOR THREE YEARS AND LONGER.
THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT SECTIONS, BUT ONCE YOU STOP THE
TRAFFIC AND YOU DIVERT THIS ARTERY, HOWARD AVENUE BECOMES
ROUTE 66 LIKE OUT WEST.
THESE RESTAURANTS WILL BECOME OBSOLETE.
PEOPLE CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR AND THEY ARE GOING.
THE PLAN BEING PROPOSED IS NOT THOUGHTFUL OR CLEVER OR
CUTTING EDGE.
A HUGE BOX CULVERT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF HOWARD AVENUE COULD BE
DESIGNED BY ANY KNUCKLE DRAGGER.
I'M SO DISAPPOINTED IN THIS.
THE ROMANS CAME UP WITH BETTER ADVANCE THINKING THAN THIS.

IT IS A BOX CULVERT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUSIEST STREET IN
SOUTH TAMPA.
THERE ARE OTHER ROUTES AND VERY TELLING AT THE COMMUNITY
ENGAGEMENT MEETING MONDAY NIGHT.
KEPT TALKING ABOUT THE COST, WHEN ASKED ABOUT A FINANCIAL
IMPACT STUDY, NONE HAD BEEN DONE.
THEY SAID THEY DON'T HAVE TO.
IS THAT COLLABORATION?
NO.
WE DON'T NEED TO DO A FINANCIAL IMPACT STUDY.
WE'LL PUT YOU GUYS OUT OF BUSINESS.
THAT IS THE WAY WE DECIDED TO REENGINEER THIS THING AND DO
IT WHEN THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER CHOICES.
WE CAN DO THIS TOGETHER.
THE SOHO BUSINESS GUYS GOT TOGETHER A COUPLE OF NIGHTS AGO
AND THE ANGST AND THE LOOK ON THEIR FACE THINKING ABOUT
BANKRUPTCY AND GOING OUT OF BUSINESS, YOU SHOULD BE THERE TO
SEE THAT AND APPRECIATE THAT AND EMBRACE THAT.
10:19:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:19:52AM >> THERE ARE OTHER CHOICES.
10:19:53AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
TRILLIAN BALDASSARI.
DAVID DeLOACH, PATRICK CIMINO.
10:19:59AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I'M TRILLION BALDASSARI.

I'M A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER.
I'M A CERTIFIED FLOODPLAIN MANAGER AND PRESIDENT OF
DeLOACH ENGINEERING SCIENCE.
15 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN MANAGING AND FIXING BROKEN
WATERSHEDS.
YOU HAVE OPTIONS.
ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS MORNING IS FOR A BRIEF PAUSE, A
BRIEF PAUSE WOULD ALLOW US TO LOOK AT THE WATERSHED WITH A
FRESH PERSPECTIVE AND EMPHASIS ON MODERN STORMWATER
MANAGEMENT PRACTICES.
WE WOULD APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP AND PRESENT
SOME OF THESE ALTERNATIVES TO YOU.
ALTERNATIVES THAT MANAGE STORMWATER WITHIN THE EXISTING
BASIN THAT AREN'T JUST SIMPLY MOVING ONE BURDEN FROM ONE
COMMUNITY TO ANOTHER, BUT ALSO IMPORTANTLY, ALTERNATIVES
THAT WILL PROVIDE THE SAME LEVEL OF FLOOD PROTECTION FOR THE
RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES THAT DESPERATELY NEED IT RIGHT NOW,
WITHOUT EXCESSIVELY IMPACTING THE BUSINESSES AND MANY
FAMILIES WHO RELY ON THOSE BUSINESSES FOR THEIR LIVELIHOOD.
WE UNDERSTAND AND WE ARE SYMPATHETIC FOR THE NEED FOR FLOOD
RELIEF TODAY, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR A SHORT,
TEMPORARY HOLD TO EXPLORE AND PRESENT THESE ALTERNATIVES TO
YOU.
WE'RE ASKING FOR 120 DAYS, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THAT AND IT
WOULD BE INSIGNIFICANT COMPARED TO THE DELAYS THAT YOU WILL

ENCOUNTER ONCE YOU DIG UP HOWARD.
I WOULD BET MY HOUSE ON THAT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
10:21:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
DAVID DeLOACH.
PATRICK CIMINO AND MICHAEL GREEN.
GOOD MORNING, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:21:28AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS DAVE DeLOACH.
I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER WITH DeLOACH ENGINEERING SCIENCE OUT
OF ORLANDO.
MY FIRM SPECIALIZES IN WATER RESOURCES AND FLOOD MITIGATION.
I PERSONALLY HAD OVER 35 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN DEVELOPING
INNOVATIVE SOLUTIONS TO COMPLEX FLOODING PROBLEMS THROUGHOUT
SOUTHWEST FLORIDA.
I'M HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY ALONG
HOWARD AVENUE TO RESPECTFULLY REQUEST A BRIEF HOLD ON THIS
VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT.
THIS PAUSE WOULD ALLOW US TO PERFORM AN INDEPENDENT
ASSESSMENT OF ALTERNATIVES AND PRESENT WITH YOU A CONCEPTUAL
PLAN THAT PROVIDES EQUIVALENT OR BETTER FLOOD PROTECTION
WITHOUT PLACING EXTREME BURDEN ON THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.
WE AGREE, OF COURSE, THAT PROTECTING THE RESIDENTS OF
PARKLAND ESTATES AND THE BUSINESSES ALONG SWANN AVENUE AND

THE COMMUNITY IN THE UPPER BASIN IS THE CRITICAL GOAL HERE.
HOWEVER, THE CURRENT PLAN, WHICH DIVERTS STORMWATER FROM THE
AREA TO HOWARD AVENUE ALTERS EXISTING DRAINAGE PATTERNS AND
ALLOWS INTERBASIN TRANSFER OF STORMWATER.
THIS SHIFT NEEDLESSLY IMPOSES SIGNIFICANT RISKS TO THE
BUSINESSES ALONG HOWARD AVENUE.
AS AN EXPERIENCED WATER RESOURCES ENGINEER IN OUR FIRM, WE
BELIEVE STRONGLY THAT EQUIVALENT OR BETTER FLOOD PROTECTION
CAN BE ACHIEVED WITHOUT TRANSFERRING WATER TO AN ADJACENT
BASIN.
OUR REVIEW OF THE JMT REPORT AND STAFF'S DESCRIPTIONS OF THE
ALTERNATIVE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS INDICATES THAT ENGINEERING
ALTERNATIVES DO EXIST.
THEIR OWN REPORTS SHOW THAT THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES THAT
EXIST.
THERE ARE VIABLE OPTIONS TO IMPROVE FLOOD PROTECTION BY
ADDRESSING DEFICIENCIES WITHIN THE UPPER BASIN NORTH OF
SWANN AVENUE, ENHANCING THE EXISTING OUTFALL SYSTEMS THAT
HISTORICALLY HAVE SERVED THESE FLOOD-PRONE AREAS.
THESE OPTIONS DO NOT REQUIRE BURDENING ANOTHER COMMUNITY.
AND WHILE ORIGINALLY REJECTED AS BEING TOO COSTLY, IN
RETROSPECT, THOSE ALTERNATIVES IN THAT REPORT ARE IN LINE
WITH THE COST OF THE CURRENT PLAN WITHOUT ADDING THE COST TO
AREA BUSINESSES.
MODERN TECHNOLOGIES EXIST AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT

PRACTICES CAN HELP.
SMART TECHNOLOGY SUCH AS REAL-TIME CONTROLS FOR PONDS CAN
OPTIMIZE STORAGE, STRUCTURE LIKE PERMEABLE PAVEMENTS AND
RAIN GARDENS REDUCE RAIN-OFF AND UNDERGROUND VAULTS TO
INCREASE STORAGE AND ATTENUATION WITH STORAGE RECOVERY.
ADDRESSING SOURCE FLOODING IS PRUDENT.
IN FACT, GOOD ENGINEERING PRACTICE.
ACCORDING TO CITY STAFF AND YOUR CONSULTANTS AND AREA
RESIDENTS, THE UPPER BASIN CONTRIBUTES SIGNIFICANTLY TO THE
FLOODING PROBLEMS ALONG SWANN AVENUE AND PARKLAND ESTATES.
IMPROVEMENTS TO THE EXISTING STREET INLETS, CONVEYANCE LINES
AND STORAGE PONDS WITHIN THE UPPER BASINS WOULD LIKELY
REDUCE THE DOWNSTREAM BURDEN TO A POINT THAT LOCALIZED
UPGRADES WITHIN PARKLAND ESTATES COULD THEN SOLVE THE
REMAINING FLOODING ISSUES WITHOUT TRANSFERRING WATER TO
HOWARD.
WE BELIEVE THIS COUNCIL SHOULD CAREFULLY CONSIDER WHETHER
DIVERTING STORMWATER TO HOWARD AVENUE AND THE ADJOINING
BASIN IS TRULY THE BEST OPTION FOR TAMPA.
THAT PLAN DISRUPTS BUSINESSES, RISKS DAMAGING PROPERTIES AND
SHIFTS A HEAVY BURDEN FROM ONE COMMUNITY TO ANOTHER.
THANK YOU.
10:24:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
PATRICK CIMINO, MICHAEL GREEN, DAVID LAXER.
GOOD MORNING, DR. CIMINO.

10:24:40AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I'M PATRICK CIMINO.
I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF THE HISTORIC HYDE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD
ASSOCIATION LAND USE COMMITTEE.
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS HALF OF HOWARD FROM SELMON TO BAYSHORE.
SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US.
I THINK IT'S VERY APT THAT THE DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR
MENTIONED WE'RE IN A NEW WORLD AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA
REINFORCED THAT.
IT'S A CHANGED TIME.
CLIMATE CHANGE IS MAKING OUR LIVES VERY DIFFERENT AND IN A
VERY NEGATIVE WAY.
IT'S ACTUALLY NOT CONTROLLABLE.
I WISH WE COULD DO THINGS TO MITIGATE IT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS A CONTROLLABLE THAT I WOULD LIKE
TO EXPRESS IS I DON'T THINK THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE
MOBILITY STAFF HAVE COMMUNICATED ACCORDING TO ELEMENT 6 IN
THE RFQ, WHICH IS COMMUNICATE AT EVERY STEP WITH ALL THE
STAKEHOLDERS.
WE'VE GOTTEN PARTIAL INFORMATION AND WE'VE GOT NO DECENT
RISK BENEFIT ASSESSMENT OF THINGS LIKE ROUTE, PROTECTION OF
HISTORIC ASSETS, MANAGEMENT OF WATER DURING PROJECT,
DETOURS.
THE DETOURS OUTLINED IN THAT REQUEST, SWANN, MacDILL,
BAY TO BAY, BACK TO SWANN.

SWANN HAD THREE CLOSINGS AT LEAST IN THE LAST TWO YEARS DUE
TO LINE FAILURES.
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN THAT HAPPENS?
SO WE NEED MORE INFORMATION.
THE SAD THING IS -- EVERYBODY HAS SYMPATHY FOR THE PARKLAND
AND PALMA CEIA PINES AREAS, THIS PROJECT ONLY ADDRESSES TO A
DEGREE SEASONAL DOWN-POURS.
IT IS NOT A SOLUTION FOR WHAT WE EXPERIENCED WITH MILTON.
THAT'S AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION.
ANYWAY, I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS A LOT BECAUSE I FEEL
LIKE WE SHOULD HIRE DUTCH ENGINEERS BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN
DEALING WITH FLOODING FOR CENTURIES.
AND WE NEED TO THINK OUT OF THE BOX.
I DON'T HAVE MY BOARD'S APPROVAL OF THIS, BUT I SUPPORT
GETTING A GOOD ENGINEERING ASSESSMENT AND DELAYING FOR A
LITTLE WHILE.
WE ACTUALLY HAVEN'T GOTTEN GREAT ANSWERS FROM THE CITY
MOBILITY.
THEY SAY, OH, IT WILL ALL BE IN THE WORK.
WELL, WE WANT TO KNOW NOW.
WE WANT TO KNOW THIS IS A HUGE IMPACT ON US.
I SUGGEST YOU REALLY SCRUTINIZE.
IF NOTHING ELSE, MAKE THE CITY ACCOUNTABLE.
WE DO NEED THINGS DONE, BUT AS THE DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR
MENTIONED, IT'S GOING TO BE COMPLICATED.

IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE COORDINATED.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF UNKNOWNS.
I WISH I DIDN'T HAVE TO SAY THAT.
I REALLY WISH I DIDN'T, BUT WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
VERY BE MINDFUL OF YOUR DECISION.
THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:27:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
MICHAEL GREEN.
DAVID LAXER.
JAMES GLEN.
GOOD MORNING, MR. GREEN.
10:27:38AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL GREEN.
I'M A RESIDENT OF PARKLAND ESTATES THAT DID NOT FLOOD.
I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT IN THE AREA ON THE WEST SIDE OF HOWARD
FOR A LITTLE OVER 20 YEARS NOW.
I AM IN FAVOR OF THE COUNCIL APPROVING THE PROJECT TODAY.
WE'VE ALL BEEN AWARE OF THE STORMWATER PROBLEMS IN THE AREA
FOR WELL OVER A DECADE NOW.
REGARDLESS OF THE SOLUTION THAT IS CHOSEN IN THE END, IT'S A
DENSE URBAN ENVIRONMENT.
THERE WILL BE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS TO BUSINESSES, AND THERE
WILL BE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS TO RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ALONG

THE WAY, EVENTUALLY TO THE BAY WHERE I IMAGINE PRETTY MUCH
ALL STORMWATER WILL EVENTUALLY FLOW TO.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS MOST OF THE EASEMENTS AND RIGHT-OF-WAYS
FOR THE EXISTING PROPOSED ROUTE ARE ALREADY IN PLACE.
I UNDERSTAND JUST TO GET NEW EASEMENTS AND RIGHT-OF-WAYS IN
PLACE, LIKELY TAKE YEARS, MANY ADDITIONAL MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS BEFORE WE GET BACK TO A MEETING LIKE THIS AND THEN
HEAR FROM THE IMPACTED BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS AT THAT
POINT IF THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE PROPOSED.
AS WE ALL DISCUSSED, WE NEED TO MOVE AHEAD WITH STORMWATER
MITIGATION AND RELIEF AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
THESE 200 AND 500-YEAR STORMS ARE UNFORTUNATELY LIKELY TO
COME WITH GREATER FREQUENCY.
WE ARE ALL IN DANGER OF THAT.
THE IDEA OF THE CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE UNDER HOWARD WILL
NEVER NEED TO BE TOUCHED IS LUDICROUS.
AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, THERE WILL BE A MAJOR
INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT ALONG THAT CORRIDOR.
WHY SHOULD WE CONTINUE TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR THIS PROPOSAL TODAY.
10:29:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
NEXT UP IS DAVID LAXER.
JAMES FLYNN.
VICTOR DiMAIO.

GOOD MORNING, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:29:33AM >> GOOD MORNING.
DAVID LAXER.
I AND MY WIFE CHRISTINA ARE RESIDENTS OF SOUTH TAMPA AND
BUSINESS OWNERS OF BERN'S STEAK HOUSE, HAVEN, BERNS FINE
WINE AND SPIRITS.
WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT OUR STORMWATER MITIGATION ISSUES NEED
TO BE ADDRESSED.
THE DEBATE IS HOW TO DO THIS WHILE ACHIEVING THE DESIRED
RESULTS WITH AS LITTLE NEGATIVE IMPACT OR DAMAGE.
WE ALL FEEL FOR THE HOMEOWNERS AND BUSINESSES THAT HAVE BEEN
AFFECTED BY THE HURRICANE MILTON AND FOR THE ONES THAT
CONTINUOUSLY ARE IMPACTED BY UNUSUALLY HEAVY RAINFALL.
HOWEVER, A PLAN THAT POTENTIALLY FIXES ONE PROBLEM BUT
CAUSES EXTENDED HARDSHIP ON OTHER MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY
IS NOT A GOOD PLAN.
THIS PLAN CREATES A FALSE NARRATIVE THAT EITHER NEIGHBORHOOD
SUFFERS OR WE MUST TEAR APART HOWARD AVENUE TO PROVIDE
RELIEF.
I FOR ONE CANNOT ACCEPT THAT PREMISE.
WE AS A COMMUNITY CAN DO BETTER.
BUT THIS REQUIRES THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX AND, YES,
ACTUALLY HAVING HONEST AND TRANSPARENT DISCUSSIONS.
OUR CITY REPRESENTATIVES IN THIS CASE HAVE NOT DONE THIS.

SHAME ON THEM.
THOUGH I AM NOT A STORMWATER ENGINEER, A LOT OF COMMON SENSE
CAN TELL YOU THAT COST REWARD BENEFIT OF THIS PLAN IS NOT
GOOD.
THERE IS A REASON THE PREVIOUS TWO ADMINISTRATIONS DECLINED
TO APPROVE THIS PLAN GOING DOWN HOWARD AVENUE.
OUR FAMILY BUSINESSES HAVE BEEN ON HOWARD AVENUE SINCE 1956.
WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OVER THE YEARS AND I CAN REMEMBER WHEN
SOUTH TAMPA WAS VIRTUALLY ABANDONED.
AT THE TIME MY PARENTS TOOK A RISK BUILDING A BUSINESS ON
HOWARD AVENUE, THEY DID NOT RECEIVE ANY INCENTIVES FROM THE
CITY.
THERE WAS NO OPPORTUNITY ZONE OR COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT
DISTRICT.
NO, THERE WAS HARD WORK.
SLOWLY OTHER BUSINESSES CAME AND SLOWLY FAMILIES MOVED BACK
AND STARTED TO REVITALIZE SOUTH TAMPA.
HOWEVER, NOW THE CITY WANTS TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR
STORMWATER SYSTEM AND SACRIFICE THE FAMILY INDEPENDENTLY
OWNED BUSINESSES ALONG HOWARD AVENUE.
THEY HAVE GROWN ORGANICALLY OVER THE YEARS ON A STREET THAT
DOESN'T EVEN FLOOD.
HONESTLY AND TRUTHFULLY, NOT HAVING DIALOGUE WITH THE
STAKEHOLDERS.
IT IS TRULY UNFORTUNATE THAT OUR MAYOR AND CITY

ADMINISTRATORS AND STAFF WORKING ON THIS PROJECT ARE DRIVING
A WEDGE BETWEEN NEIGHBORS AND THE BUSINESSES ALONG HOWARD
AVENUE.
THE LACK IN TRANSPARENCY AND HONEST AND TRUTHFUL DIALOGUE
FROM THE CITY REPRESENTATIVES IN THIS REGARD TO THIS PROJECT
IS DISHEARTENING.
IT IS ALSO ALLOWING THE CITY FAILED TO HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD AND
BUSINESS MEETINGS IN CONJUNCTION.
RUNNING OUT OF TIME.
ALSO TO STATE THAT THE PAIN WILL END -- AFTER STATING THAT
THE PAIN WILL END AFTER CONSTRUCTION IS ALSO FALSE.
CUSTOMERS WILL DEVELOP NEW DINING PATTERNS AND GROUP
BUSINESSES WILL SETTLE TO OTHER RESTAURANTS AND THOSE YEARS
OF GOODWILL WILL BE LOST.
10:32:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, SIR.
10:32:42AM >> THANK YOU.
10:32:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
MR. FLYNN.
VICTOR DiMAIO.
I SEE NGUYETHANGA VU.
GOOD MORNING, SIR.
10:32:57AM >> GOOD MORNING.
JAMES FLYNN.
MY WIFE IS A DOCTOR WHO OWNS SOUTH TAMPA DERMATOLOGY AT 2605
WEST SWANN.

OVERLOADED STORM SEWERS FLOODED OUR OFFICE AGAIN, WHICH HAD
TO BE CLOSED DOWN AND TORN DOWN TO THE STUDS.
OVER 5,000 APPOINTMENTS WERE CANCELED JUST IN OUR BUILDING.
THAT'S DENTAL, PRIMARY CARE, LAB, DERMATOLOGY, BIOPSIES,
MINOR SURGERY.
5,000 PEOPLE WITH MEDICAL NEEDS WERE INCONVENIENCED GREATLY.
AND THAT'S JUST ONE BUILDING.
IT'S NOT COUNTING THE ONES ACROSS THE STREET.
THE BUSINESSES ON HOWARD OPPOSED TO THIS PLAN DO NOT HAVE A
FLOODING PROBLEM FROM THE STORM SEWERS.
BUT IF THEY DID, IF SOUTH HOWARD WAS IMPASSABLE A DOZEN
TIMES A YEAR DUE TO SUMMER RAINS, THE EPICUREAN, BELLA'S,
HAVEN, BERN'S HAD TO BE RIPPED DOWN TO THE STUDS A FEW TIMES
BECAUSE THE STORMWATERS WERE BACKING UP, WOULD YOU HAVE
SPENT TEN YEARS LOOKING AT OPTIONS?
THE HOWARD BUSINESS OWNERS SAY THIS PROJECT WILL BE A
TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE AND THEY ARE HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT.
THIS COULD PUT THE LUSTER IN CLUSTER.
IT IS GOING TO BE BAD.
YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE WAS A TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE ON HOWARD?
BUILDING THE EPICUREAN HOTEL.
[ APPLAUSE ]
BUT PEOPLE ADAPTED.
THE HEADACHES WERE TEMPORARY.
IT WAS A PROJECT.

STORM SEWER FLOODING IS NOT A HOWARD AVENUE PROBLEM, YET
THEY ACT LIKE VICTIMS.
APPARENTLY THIS IS ONE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT THEY CANNOT
ADAPT TO.
THE VIBRATIONS FROM THE SEMITRUCKS AND CEMENT MIXERS
RUMBLING DOWN HOWARD AND ALL THE HEAVY NEIGHBORHOOD
CONSTRUCTION, SINKING PILINGS AND THE LIKE, OVER THE PAST 70
YEARS, HAVEN'T DESTROYED THE BERN'S WINE CELLAR, HOWEVER,
THE OWNER THE OTHER NIGHT SAID THIS PROJECT WAS A GREAT
THREAT.
NOW, IS THAT HYPERBOLE FROM THE OWNER WHO DOESN'T WANT THE
BIG HEADACHE THAT'S COMING?
IT CERTAINLY WASN'T A QUOTE FROM A VIBRATION MITIGATION
SPECIALIST.
THIS PROJECT IS TEMPORARY AND SO TOO ARE ALL OF THE
HEADACHES IT'S GOING TO BRING.
TRAFFIC SOLUTIONS CAN BE FOUND.
PURVEYORS CAN DELIVER SUPPLIES IN SMALLER VEHICLES AND TREES
CAN BE REPLANTED.
LET'S MOVE ON WITH THIS PROJECT.
INNOVATIVE ENTREPRENEURS CAN ADOPT TO THESE HEADACHES.
THEY PUT THEIR BIG-BOY PANTS ON AND THEY GET TO WORK.
WE REALLY WANT THIS PROJECT PASSED.
THANK YOU.
10:35:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

VICTOR DiMAIO NEXT SPEAKER.
NGUYETHANGA VU.
DAVID ADAMS ALREADY SPOKE.
TINA ADAMS.
MR. DiMAIO -- ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:36:07AM >> VICTOR DiMAIO.
1205 NORTH FRANKLIN STREET, SUITE 103.
HERE REPRESENTING BERN'S STEAK HOUSE AND THE EPICUREAN AND
SISTER RESTAURANT DOWN THE STREET, HAVEN.
I'M GOING TO MAKE ONE THING CRYSTAL CLEAR SO THERE'S NO
MISUNDERSTANDING.
WE DO WANT TO HELP THE PEOPLE WITH THE FLOODING SITUATION
THAT THEY ARE EXPERIENCING NOW.
WE WENT OUT AND HIRED ONE OF THE TOP ENGINEERS WE COULD FIND
IN STORMWATER IN ORLANDO THAT SPOKE HERE PREVIOUSLY, MR.
DeLOACH.
THE FEW DAYS HE'S BEEN ON THE JOB, HE'S IDENTIFIED OPTIONS
TO GOING DOWN HOWARD.
THIS CONTRACT THEY ARE ASKING YOU TO APPROVE TODAY IS ALL
ABOUT HOWARD, HOWARD, HOWARD.
THERE'S NO OTHER OPTIONS OUT THERE.
IF I TOLD YOU THAT WE CAN SOLVE OR MITIGATE THE FLOODING
PROBLEM IN PARKLAND ESTATES AND THE OTHER AREAS THAT ARE
AFFECTED WITHOUT TOUCHING HOWARD, WOULD YOU AT LEAST LISTEN

TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY?
THESE PEOPLE ARE EXPERTS.
I'M NOT AN ENGINEER AND NEITHER IS ANYONE ELSE HERE.
BUT THE ENGINEERS AT THE CITY OF TAMPA ARE DUG IN.
THEY ARE BEING VERY PIG-HEADED ABOUT THIS AND WON'T LISTEN
TO ANY OTHER OPTIONS.
WE HAVE OPTIONS.
OPTIONS APPLIED IN OTHER CITIES AND OTHER AREAS AROUND THE
STATE.
AND THESE PEOPLE HAVE DONE THAT.
ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR IS 120 DAYS TO DO A FULL REPORT.
THE COUNTY CAME IN TODAY AND THEY SAY WITHIN 180 DAYS THEY
CAN DO A FULL REPORT COUNTYWIDE THAT INCLUDES THE CITY.
I THINK IT WOULD BE PRUDENT.
THE TAMPA BAY TIMES EDITORIALIZED TO TAKE A BREATH.
LET'S LOOK AT THE BEST OPTIONS.
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO SEE ANY RELIEF FOR FOUR YEARS.
WE HAVE OPTIONS THAT WE STUDIED IN THE LAST THREE DAYS THAT
WILL PROVIDE IMMEDIATE RELIEF WITHIN A YEAR FOR THE PEOPLE
LIVING THERE.
AND PROVIDE THEM THE SAME OPTIONS AS IT WOULD BE DIGGING UP
ALL OF HOWARD AVENUE OF THE THREE OPTIONS OUT THERE.
THERE'S ALSO SWANN, MacDILL, THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING.
120 DAYS TO PROVIDE A FULL REPORT TO THE COUNCIL OF WHAT

OTHER OPTIONS ARE OUT THERE THAT IS NOT HOWARD AVENUE.
WE'RE ASKING, PLEASE, ALSO, TO PLEASE NOT APPROVE THIS
PROJECT TODAY BECAUSE IT ONLY HAS ONE OPTION.
AND THAT'S HOWARD.
IF YOU APPROVE THIS, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE SAYING, OH, WE CAN
CHANGE IT, WE CAN LOOK AT SOMETHING ELSE.
WE HAVE OTHER OPTIONS, THE COUNCIL PEOPLE BEEN HERE THE
LONGEST KNOW THAT.
YOU KNOW THAT ONCE YOU APPROVE A PROJECT LIKE THIS, AND IT
SAYS HOWARD AVENUE, IT'S HOWARD AVENUE.
WE'RE JUST SAYING WE CAN DO ALL THE PROBLEMS, FIX ALL THE
PROBLEMS WITHOUT GOING TO HOWARD AVENUE.
THAT'S ALL WE WANTED TO SAY.
THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
10:38:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, MA'AM.
NEXT SPEAKER.
FOLLOWED BY TINA ADAMS AND ELIZABETH DINWIDDIE.
10:38:58AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I AM NGUYENTHANGA VU.
I'M A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER.
I HAVE A NAIL SALON ON SWANN.
I'M HERE BECAUSE I AM -- THE SALON WAS DESTROYED BY THE
FLOOD.

I KNOW IT IS AN ONGOING PROBLEM BECAUSE THE SALON BUILDING
ITSELF HAS BEEN DAMAGED TWICE IN THE LAST TEN YEARS.
I BUILT THE SALON WITH SWEAT AND TEARS.
I WANT TO CREATE SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD,
BUT EVERY YEAR THE FLOODING ISSUE BECOME WORSE AND WORSE.
IT ONLY TAKE A BIG RAIN AND THE WATER WOULD COME CLOSE TO
THE DOORS.
SO I'M HERE ASKING YOU TO VOTE YES.
THIS IS THE ONLY THING I HAVE.
I'M A SINGLE MOM OF FIVE.
SO, PLEASE HELP.
10:40:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
TINA ADAMS.
ELIZABETH DINWIDDIE.
SUSAN KULCZYCKI.
GOOD MORNING, MA'AM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:40:13AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I'M TINA ADAMS.
CAN I WAIT UNTIL THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS RETURN?
10:40:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I THINK SHE'S WATCHING THE MEETING IN
THE BACK.
SHE HEARS EVERYTHING.
THAT'S WHAT SHE TOLD ME.
THE OTHER GENTLEMAN SHOULD BE POPPING IN MOMENTARILY.

10:40:28AM >> ALL RIGHT.
I'LL GO AHEAD THEN.
GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS TINA ADAMS.
AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, MY HOME FLOODED.
YOU'VE SEEN PICTURES OF IT ON THE NEWS AND IN THE PAPER AND
SOME OF YOU WERE KIND ENOUGH TO COME AND VISIT.
IT IS GUTTED.
I'VE BEEN SAD AND ANGRY ABOUT THE FLOODING CAUSED BY THE
INADEQUATE STORMWATER SYSTEM.
BUT I AM RESILIENT.
I WAS RESILIENT DURING COVID, AND I SURVIVED JUST LIKE THE
LOCAL BUSINESSES AND RESTAURANTS.
BECAUSE AS A COMMUNITY, WE BANDED TOGETHER.
WE SUPPORTED EACH OTHER.
COMMUNITIES SHOULD DO THAT.
THEY SHOULD HELP EACH OTHER.
WE NEED HELP NOW.
WE NEED HELP FROM SOUTH HOWARD BUSINESS COMMUNITY.
TAMPA HAS GROWN, AND WE HAVE ALL BENEFITED.
ALL THE BUSINESSES ON SOUTH HOWARD AVENUE HAVE BENEFITED.
WE HAVE NOT DONE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THERE EVEN
THOUGH THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF BUILDING.
IT'S TIME.
WE'RE ASKING YOU TO PLEASE APPROVE THE DESIGN TODAY.

PLEASE DO THAT.
WE'VE HAD NINE YEARS OF STUDY.
WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE ENGINEERS FROM MULTIPLE FIRMS, MULTIPLE
CITY ENGINEERS ALL HAVE STUDIED THIS.
WE HAVE VAULTS THAT ARE READY TO BE USED UNDER HOWARD
AVENUE.
THAT IS WHY THEY CHOSE HOWARD AVENUE.
I LISTEN TO THE BUSINESSES ON HOWARD ON MONDAY NIGHT, AND
THEY SAID THAT THE WIDER SIDEWALKS THAT WERE PROPOSED WOULD
NOT WORK.
I THINK WE SHOULD LISTEN TO EACH OTHER.
THEY DON'T HAVE SUFFICIENT PARKING.
THAT'S WHY A LOT OF THEIR PATRONS PARK WITHIN OUR
NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
THAT'S FINE.
BUT MAYBE AS A PART OF THE SOLUTION THE EMPTY LOT ACROSS
FROM DAILY EATS, THE CITY COULD BUILD A PARKING GARAGE THERE
SIMILAR TO THE PARKING GARAGES IN HYDE PARK, IN DOWNTOWN AND
IN YBOR TO GIVE THEM SOMETHING THAT IS NEEDED, A PLACE FOR
THEIR PATRONS TO PARK.
WE NEED TO BE CREATIVE IN SOLUTIONS WITH OUR SOLUTIONS.
BUT I WANT TO SAY I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH THE SOUTH HOWARD
AVENUE SHIRTS.
I THINK WE CAN STOP THE FLOODING AND THE BUSINESSES CAN

CONTINUE BECAUSE WE ARE RESILIENT.
PLEASE DON'T HOLD THE PROJECT FOR 120 DAYS.
THAT WILL PUT US RIGHT BACK IN THE RAINY SEASON.
PLEASE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN NOW.
THANK YOU.
10:43:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ELIZABETH DINWIDDIE.
SUSAN KULCZYCKI.
ERIC POTTS.
10:43:26AM >> IS IT POSSIBLE THAT I WAIT FOR THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS
TO COME BACK IN THE ROOM BEFORE I SPEAK?
10:43:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I DON'T KNOW -- THEY HEAR EVERYTHING IN
THE BACK.
10:43:35AM >> WELL, IF THEY CAN HEAR ME RIGHT NOW, I REQUEST THAT THEY
COME BACK INTO THE ROOM BECAUSE IT'S JUST -- YOU KNOW, IT'S
REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME.
IT'S MY HOME.
IF THEY COULD COME BACK IN THE ROOM, THAT WOULD BE NICE.
10:43:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. SHELBY.
10:43:48AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
COUNCIL, SHE MADE THE REQUEST, BUT THE
QUESTION IS, YOU HAVE A QUORUM.
THE MEETING IS RECORDED.
IT IS BEING BROADCAST IN THE BACK.
AND THE CLOCK IS RUNNING.
BY THE WAY, IF THIS REQUEST IS MADE, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO

HAVE TO NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE A BREAK UNLESS THERE IS A FULL
COUNCIL.
10:44:10AM >> IT'S FINE IF THEY TAKE A BREAK.
PERSONALLY --
10:44:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT'S RECORDED AND IT IS AMPLIFIED IN THE
BACK.
GO AHEAD, MA'AM.
10:44:18AM >> OF COURSE, EVERYONE SHOULD TAKE A BREAK.
YOU GUYS ARE TAKING IN A LOT.
I REALIZE THAT.
10:44:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:44:22AM >> I'M ELIZABETH DINWIDDIE.
I'M KNOWN TO YOU ALL AS LIZ ARCADU WHICH IS MY MARRIED NAME
SO E-MAILS HAVE BEEN FROM THERE.
I'M JUST HEARING SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE JUST SO UPSETTING.
REALLY, ONE THING THAT'S SO SAD IS THAT NOT ONLY DID I LOSE
MY HOME IN FLOODING, BUT I'M LOSING THE BUSINESSES ON HOWARD
THAT I LOVE BECAUSE THEY ARE LOSING ME.
RIGHT NOW.
THE FACT THAT YOU WILL NOT TAKE ONE FOR THE TEAM, WHICH IS
OUR COMMUNITY, YOU ARE NOT TAKING ONE FOR THE TEAM, YOU WILL
HAVE YOUR BUSINESSES DISRUPTED FOR A MONTH OR TWO OR THREE
MONTHS JUST RIGHT AROUND YOUR BUSINESS.
BUT YOU HAVE SWANN UP HERE.
YOU HAVE BAYSHORE HERE.

YOU HAVE ALL THESE LITTLE STREETS.
IF I'M COMING IN, YOU'RE GOING TO COME DOWN SWANN AND YOU'LL
COME IN TILL YOU HIT THAT THING.
YOU KNOW WHERE YOU'RE COMING ON BAYSHORE AND THEN COME UP
TILL YOU HIT THAT THING.
LOOKING AT A MONTH, TWO MONTHS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR
BUSINESS, BUT YOU WANT ME TO SUFFER FOR YEARS.
SO YOU'RE LOSING ME.
I'M SO SAD.
MR. COLLIER, I GO TO YOUR SPA --
10:45:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE ADDRESS THE COUNCIL, MA'AM.
PLEASE ADDRESS US.
10:45:44AM >> OKAY.
I APOLOGIZE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS A RULE.
I AM HEARING THE BUSINESSES THAT I LOVE AND ENJOY NOT CARE
THAT MY HOUSE FLOODED, AND IT'S GOING TO FLOOD AGAIN.
I'M HEARING THESE SAME BUSINESSES SAY OUR ENGINEERS ARE
AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH.
MR. BHIDE IS AMAZING.
I AM SO IMPRESSED.
YOU WANT TO STALL THIS PROJECT TO HAVE YOUR PERSONAL
ENGINEERS BECAUSE OUR ENGINEERS AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH.
I DISAGREE.
I WILL GIVE MR. BHIDE MY HOUSE KEY AND ALARM CODE.

THAT'S HOW MUCH I TRUST HIM.
WE DON'T NEED TO KEEP STALLING THIS PROJECT.
IT'S ABSURD.
I ASK YOU TO VISUALIZE.
YOU HAVE A CONTAINER.
NOW THAT CONTAINER GOT BIGGER AND IT IS THE SIZE OF A
FOOTBALL FIELD.
NOW THAT CONTAINER GOT BIGGER AND IT IS THE SIZE OF 25
FOOTBALL FIELDS.
NOW THAT CONTAINER GOT FILLED UP WITH THREE FEET OF WATER.
AND NOW YOU PUT ALL OF OUR HOUSES IN THAT CONTAINER OF
WATER.
THERE'S ONE WAY OUT, AND IT'S YOU GUYS.
YOU GUYS ARE THE WAY OUT.
WE NEED YOUR VOTE TODAY BECAUSE WITHOUT YOUR VOTE, WE HAVE
NOWHERE FOR THAT WATER TO GO.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO?
KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT.
THEY ARE PAYING LAWYERS TO STALL THIS PROJECT AND OUR HOMES
ARE FLOODED AND THEY HAVE LOST ME.
I'M GONE.
I'M NO MORE MR. NICE GUY.
I'M NOT GOING TO YOUR BUSINESSES ANYMORE.
10:47:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SUSAN KULCZYCKI, ERIC POTTS, JARROD DYER.

10:47:33AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS SUSAN KULCZYCKI.
I LIVE ON SOUTH HABANA AVENUE IN PALMA CEIA PINES.
I'M THE PROUD MOTHER OF A NINE-MONTH-OLD BABY BOY NAMED
NOAH.
SO WE HAVE BEEN THINKING A LOT ABOUT FLOODS.
I AM A MILITARY SPOUSE AND I'M A WORKING MOM.
LIKE MANY OTHERS HERE, THE ENTIRE FIRST FLOOR OF MY HOME
FLOODED DURING HURRICANE MILTON.
MY HUSBAND AND I BOTH WORK FULL-TIME JOBS TO AFFORD THIS
TOWNHOME THAT WE PURCHASED.
WE WERE SO PROUD TO BRING OUR BABY BOY HOME TO THIS HOUSE TO
WALK HIM AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOODS, TO BRING HIM DOWN HOWARD
AVENUE AND TO BRING HIM INTO HYDE PARK.
HE'S TRIED IN HIS NINE AND A HALF MONTHS, GELATO AT AVA'S.
DINNER AT GASTRO BAR.
HE SPENT HIS FIRST FATHER'S DAY AT BERN'S.
SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TELL YOU THAT YOU HAVE A HARD
DECISION TODAY.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS A HARD DECISION.
YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO LOOK AT A DESIGN TO CONTINUE FORWARD
WITH THIS PROJECT THAT'S BEEN ONGOING FOR YEARS AT THIS
POINT IN STUDIES.
YOUR ENGINEERS HAVE TOLD YOU THAT THE HOWARD AVENUE FLOOD
PROJECT IS THE WAY FORWARD.

YOUR EXPERTS HAVE GIVEN YOU A SOLUTION.
BUILT INTO THAT SOLUTION IS MORE THAN A YEAR OF LOOKING AT
ADDITIONAL DETAILS TO FIGURE OUT, TO FINALIZE A ROUTE, TO
FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADDRESS ALL OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN
BROUGHT UP TODAY.
THESE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE SPOKEN AND THE ONES THAT HAVE NOT
ALL DESERVE YOUR ASSISTANCE.
THERE'S NO QUESTION.
BUT THE HUNDREDS OF RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES THAT REMAIN
CLOSED AND THAT WERE FLOODED DESERVE ADEQUATE CITY DRAINAGE.
IT SHOULD NOT TAKE ANOTHER TEN YEARS.
IT SHOULDN'T TAKE ANOTHER FIVE YEARS.
YOU CAN'T START FROM SCRATCH WITH ANOTHER STUDY BECAUSE A
FEW PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THE ONE THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW.
THE CITY ENGINEERS TOLD US THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN AWARE OF
THE PROBLEM FOR MORE THAN A DECADE.
I KNOW THAT ISN'T YOU PERSONALLY, BUT YOU ARE THE CITY NOW.
WE LOOK TO YOU TO BRING A SOLUTION.
WE TRUST THE CITY ENGINEERS AND WE HOPE YOU DO AS WELL.
THE HOWARD AVENUE FLOOD RELIEF SOLUTION WILL TAKE FOUR
YEARS, EASILY.
MY HOUSE CAN EASILY FLOOD MULTIPLE TIMES DURING THAT PERIOD
BEFORE THERE IS A SOLUTION.
BUT THE MORE YOU AND OTHERS SUGGEST THAT WE NEED MORE TIME,
THIS IS JUST COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE.

WE DON'T HAVE MORE TIME.
THE TIME TO ACT IS NOW.
PLEASE USE THIS SOLUTION.
YOU HAVE THE BEST ONE BEFORE YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR EXPERTS.
IT'S GREAT THAT NEW ENGINEERS HAVE ARRIVED TODAY WITH NEW
SOLUTIONS.
BUT WHERE HAVE THEY BEEN FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS?
I'M SURE ANYONE CAN FIND SOME PART OF THE CURRENT SOLUTION
TO PICK APART.
WE'VE GOT A YEAR PLUS TO MAKE IT THE BEST WE CAN TO WORK
WITH EVERYONE INVOLVED SO THAT WE CAN ALL LIVE TOGETHER.
10:50:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
SUSAN KULCZYCKI.
I'M SORRY.
ERIC POTTS.
JARROD DYER.
JASON MARLOW.
10:50:56AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS ERIC POTTS.
I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER OF BELLA'S ITALIAN CAFE.
I'VE BEEN WORKING THERE AND HAVE THE PRIVILEGE TO WORK THERE
THE LAST 35 YEARS.
I LOOK AROUND THE ROOM AND I SEE MANY OF OUR REGULARS FROM
PARKLAND ESTATES AND SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.
SORRY THAT YOU FEEL THAT WAY.

I REALLY HAVE WORKED --
10:51:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE ADDRESS US.
10:51:16AM >> SORRY.
I WORK VERY HARD TO GET THESE PEOPLE AND HAVE THEM AS LOYAL
CUSTOMERS.
I HAVE BEEN AT EVERY MEETING TO THIS POINT, BUT MANY
QUESTIONS ARE LEFT UNANSWERED.
I DO REQUEST THAT THE PROJECT BE PUT ON 120-DAY HOLD UNTIL
THE CONCERNS AND IMPACTS HAVE ALL BEEN ADDRESSED.
MOST OF OUR EMPLOYEES RIDE THE CITY BUS OR RIDE SHARES SUCH
AS UBER OR LYFT TO GET TO WORK.
WILL THIS OPTION WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION BEGINS, WILL IT STILL
BE THERE?
I DON'T KNOW IF THE BUSES ARE GOING TO RUN.
THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO GET TO WORK.
ONLY WAY TO GET TO BELLA'S WOULD BE MacDILL TO ESTRELLA
TO MISSISSIPPI.
I DRIVE A PICKUP TRUCK.
I CHALLENGE TO YOU DRIVE DOWN THAT STREET ANYTIME DURING THE
DAY WITH ALL THE STREET PARKING.
THE RESIDENTS PARK ON EACH SIDE AND YOU HAVE TO MANEUVER
THROUGH THE STREET LIKE THIS.
IT WOULD BE VERY, VERY HARD FOR OUR DELIVERIES.
THERE ARE ALSO RIDDLED WITH POTHOLES.
THERE'S ONE POTHOLE ON ESTRELLA THAT THEY PUT A TRAFFIC CONE

IN AND THE POTHOLE HAS EATEN THE TRAFFIC CONE.
IT IS NOW IN THE POTHOLE.
YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE IT.
IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR MONTHS.
BELLA'S HAS A -- ALONE HAS OVER 150 DELIVERIES A MONTH.
MOST OF THEM 18-WHEELERS NOT TO MENTION AMAZON AND UPS WHO
DELIVER SOMETIMES TWICE A DAY.
THIS WILL GET CRAZY.
MOST OF OUR EMPLOYEES, THEY LIVE PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK.
THEY HAVE NO DISPOSABLE INCOME OR SAVINGS TO MAKE IT THROUGH
A FOUR TO SIX WEEK STOPPAGE OF WORK.
SOME EMPLOYEES WORK AT OUR PLACE AS WELL AS AT BERN'S STEAK
HOUSE.
THEY HAVE TWO JOBS TO MAKE A LIVING.
THEY'LL LOSE BOTH OF THEM IT'S SO CLOSE.
THERE HAS TO BE MORE OPTIONS THAT KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING.
THESE EMPLOYEES WILL GET NEW JOBS BECAUSE THEY JUST NEED TO
MAKE A LIVING.
THEY HAVE TO SUPPORT THEIR FAMILIES.
SO WE APPRECIATE THAT.
OTHER ITEMS THAT I NOTICED THROUGH ALL THE MEETINGS, WILL
THE NATURAL GAS LINES BE AFFECTED?
WITHOUT THEM, I CAN'T COOK.
WE CAN'T PRODUCE ANYTHING WITHOUT NATURAL GAS.
IF WE HAVE WATER LINES THAT ARE BROKE OR ANYTHING, WE'LL BE

SHUT DOWN, HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
WE CAN'T OPERATE WITHOUT WATER.
OTHER ITEMS IN QUESTION THAT I'VE HEARD ABOUT, THE ECONOMIC
IMPACT STUDY, NEVER DONE.
HOW DO WE GET AWAY WITH THAT?
I DON'T KNOW.
IS THERE MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO COVER THE BEAUTIFICATION OF
SOUTH HOWARD AVENUE AFTERWARDS?
WITH ALL THE LIGHTS, THE STREETLIGHTS, THE TRASH CONTAINERS,
EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, THE BUS STOPS.
10:53:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:54:00AM >> THANK YOU.
10:54:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JARROD DYER.
JASON MARLOW.
ROB KELLY.
GOOD MORNING, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:54:08AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS JARROD DYER.
I'M ONE OF THE SECOND GENERATION OWNERS OF BELLA'S ITALIAN
CAFE ON SOUTH HOWARD.
DURING THE AFTERNOON COUNCIL SESSION ON NOVEMBER 7, COUNCIL
MEMBER HURTAK TALKED ABOUT HOW BADLY THE SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE
HEIGHTS PROJECT AFFECTED THE BUSINESSES WITH MANY NOT
SURVIVING.

THAT WAS IN AN AREA WITH A FAIRLY STANDARD STREET GRID AND
ALTERNATE ROUTES FOR VENDORS AND CUSTOMERS TO REACH THE
BUSINESSES WHICH IS A SITUATION COMPLETELY UNLIKE SOUTH
HOWARD AVENUE AND PEOPLE STILL LOST THEIR BUSINESSES.
WE WERE CLOSED FOR EIGHT AND A HALF DAYS IN OCTOBER DUE TO
HURRICANE MILTON.
OVER THE COURSE OF THE REST OF THAT MONTH, WE HAD DELIVERIES
CARRIED BY SEVEN SMALL BOX TRUCKS, 83 MEDIUM SIZE BOX TRUCKS
AND 32 18-WHEELERS.
122 TRUCKS OVER 23 DAYS JUST TO OUR RESTAURANT.
IT IS COMPLETELY IMPRACTICAL TO DIRECT THAT VOLUME OF
COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND WHERE WILL THE
RESIDENTS BE FORCED TO PARK SO DELIVERY TRUCKS CAN GET DOWN
THE NARROW STREETS?
IT IS EVEN MORE IMPRACTICAL TO SUGGEST AS MOBILITY AND
KIMMINS HAVE THAT DELIVERIES CAN BE COMPLETED WITH GOLF
CARTS.
HOW BIG OF A FLEET OF GOLF CARTS AND DRIVERS WOULD BE
REQUIRED TO DO THAT?
WHERE DO THE TRUCKS MEET THE GOLF CARTS?
LARGEST PARKING LOT I CAN THINK OF IN THE AREA IS PALMA
CEIA, IS THE CITY GOING TO COMMANDEER THE LOT AS A DELIVERY
TRUCK STAGING AREA?
NO DENYING SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE TO HELP THE
NEIGHBORHOODS FLOODING AND SOHO BUSINESSES AREN'T TRYING TO

KILL THE PROJECT.
WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT FROM KILLING US.
THERE'S BEEN A SUGGESTION FROM THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT THAT
SINCE THIS IS A WATER SEWAGE PROJECT, AN ECONOMIC IMPACT
STUDY IS REQUIRED.
BUT GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE BUDGET, THE NUMBER OF YEARS IT
WILL TAKE TO COMPLETE AND THE EXTENSIVE AND EXTENDED
DISRUPTION IT WILL CAUSE TO ALL OF THE BUSINESSES AND
SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS, WOULDN'T IT BE PRUDENT FOR THE
CITY COUNCIL TO REQUIRE A STUDY BE DONE WHETHER IT'S
REQUIRED BY LAW OR NOT?
OTHERWISE YOU'RE MAKING A DECISION WITHOUT HAVING REALLY
PERTINENT INFORMATION.
WHAT ABOUT A TRANSPORTATION STUDY?
WHAT ARE THE FIRST RESPONDER AGENCIES HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE
PLANS TO DISRUPT A MAJOR ARTERY FOR THREE TO FOUR YEARS?
DO POLICE AND TAMPA FIRE RESCUE KNOW HOW SEVERELY ACCESS
WILL BE IMPEDED?
WHAT ABOUT SOLID WASTE?
HAS COUNCIL RECEIVED INPUT FROM ANY OF THESE AGENCIES?
WE'RE ASKING FOR 120-DAY STAY ON ANY VOTE DURING WHICH TIME
THOSE STUDIES COULD BE DONE AND THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
INVESTIGATION COULD BE DONE.
IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE AS HE SAID IN THE PRESENTATION
EARLIER TO DO THAT AND COMBINE IT ALL TOGETHER BEFORE YOU

START DEVOTING $7 MILLION EVEN TO THE DESIGN AT THIS POINT.
DURING THAT TIME, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT DeLOACH, TO
EVALUATE SOME OF THE ALTERNATIVE ROUTES THAT WERE IN THE J
AND T REPORT BUT ULTIMATELY DISCARDED.
FINALLY, AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING THIS PAST MONDAY, CITY
ENGINEER JEFF DeBOSIER MADE A COMMENT DURING HURRICANES
HELENE AND MILTON, QUOTE, NEARLY EVERY STREET IN TAMPA
FLOODED.
WHAT STREET DIDN'T FLOOD?
SOUTH HOWARD AVENUE.
YOU VOTE TO ADVANCE THE PROJECT IN CURRENT FORM, YOU SHOULD
ALSO REQUIRE TO BE RENAMED TO REFLECT TRUE LEGACY, WHICH
WOULD BE THE SOUTH HOWARD BUSINESS DEVASTATION PROJECT.
THANK YOU.
10:57:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
JASON MARLOW IS OUR NEXT SPEAKER
FOLLOWED BY ROB KELLY AND MARILYN SAMAHA.
10:57:20AM >> JASON MARLOW.
I'LL BE EXTREMELY BLUNT.
I'VE PERSONALLY SEEN HOW INCAPABLE CITY CONTRACTORS CAN BE
AT INSTALLING A BOX CULVERT PROPOSED IN THE SOUTH HOWARD
PROJECT AS I WATCHED IT DONE FROM MY FRONT PORCH ABOUT A
YEAR.
PERSONALLY HAD VIOLENT SO VIOLENT IT SHOOK HEAVY OBJECTS OFF
MY WALL, DAMAGED MY HUNDRED-YEAR-OLD HOME AND DIMINISHED MY
QUALITY OF LIFE ALL TO COMPLETE A 150-FOOT SECTION OF ROAD.

I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THIS.
THE MISTRUST FROM TAMPA CITIZENS AND BUSINESSES REGARDING
THE CITY'S CAPACITY TO CONDUCT CONSTRUCTION IN THE
COLLABORATIVE AND EFFICIENT MANNER IS NOT MISPLACED.
ASK CASS STREET DELI, SMOKE SIGNALS, OR KING STATE HOW MUCH
THE CITY OF TAMPA CARES ABOUT HELPING THE SMALL BUSINESSES
SURVIVE.
UNFORTUNATELY YOU CAN'T BECAUSE THE BUSINESSES DON'T EXIST
ANYMORE.
NOT MANY BUSINESSES CAN AFFORD MULTIPLE MONTHS OF INCOME
REDUCTION AND THESE BUSINESSES ARE SUPPORTED BY EMPLOYEES
THAT CAN'T FOREGO MONTHS' WORTH OF INCOME.
IF THERE IS A PERCEPTION, WHICH THERE IS, THAT THIS
ADMINISTRATION SIMPLY DOES NOT CARE.
LASTLY, I'LL SAY YOU HEARD FROM THE FINE FOLKS AT
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY THAT WE ARE A FEW MONTHS AWAY FROM A
ROBUST, INDEPENDENT STUDY ON LOCAL FLOODING.
IT WOULD SEEM TO BE PRESUMPTUOUS PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE
HORSE TO COMMIT TO A MAJOR FINANCIAL INVESTMENT PRIOR TO A
MORE THOROUGH EXAMINATION OF THE ISSUES AT HAND.
I POLITELY ASK THIS COUNCIL BARE MINIMUM ALLOW MORE PUBLIC
ENGAGEMENT INPUT ON THE PROJECT AND ALLOW CITY STAFF DO
THEIR DUE DILIGENCE.
COUNCIL SHOULD BE PROVIDED IN SHORT ORDER WITH AN
OPPORTUNITY TO BE PRESENTED ALTERNATIVES THAT CAN BE BOTH

LESS COSTLY AND LESS INTRUSIVE.
ALLOWING THIS BODY TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION POSSIBLE IN THE
CITY'S BEST INTEREST.
HAVE A WONDERFUL THURSDAY.
10:59:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALWAYS A WONDERFUL THURSDAY.
THANK YOU.
KELLY, SAMAHA, PER RELY.
10:59:12AM >> GOOD MORNING, ROB KELLY.
2603 WEST FOUNTAIN BOULEVARD.
LIVED THERE OVER 30 YEARS.
FIRST MOVED TO PARKLAND ESTATES IN 1986.
SWANN HOWARD INTERSECTION CHANGED IN THE 40-YEAR PERIOD OF
TIME.
MY HOUSE FLOODED AS A RESULT OF MILTON.
FOUR INCHES OF WATER IN THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE 100-YEAR-OLD
HOUSE.
TWO AND A HALF FEET OF WATER IN THE GARAGE.
MY PROPERTY RUNS FROM FOUNTAIN TO THE SOUTH ALL THE WAY
THROUGH TO SWANN.
I'M ONE HOUSE WEST OF THE FOUNTAIN AUDUBON INTERSECTION,
WHICH IS GROUND ZERO FOR THE FLOODING.
HEARD ABOUT EXTENSIVELY.
THE WORLD REALLY CHANGED FOR US IN PARKLAND ESTATES ABOUT
NINE YEARS AGO, 2015, WE HAD A NORMAL AUGUST.
HEAVY SATURDAY RAIN THAT FOR THE FIRST TIME BROUGHT THE

WATER UP MY DRIVEWAY, INTO MY GARAGE AND THROUGH THE BACK
INTO SWANN.
SINCE THEN THAT HAS BECOME UNFORTUNATELY A FAIRLY REGULAR
EVENT IN THE LIVES OF THOSE OF US WHO LIVE AROUND FOUNTAIN
PARK.
YOU'VE SEEN THE PICTURES.
THIS ISN'T SO MUCH ABOUT A 250 OR 500-YEAR FLOOD EVENT
SOLUTION AS IT IS A TYPICAL JUNE AFTERNOON RAIN SHOWER EVENT
LIKE THE ONE THAT HAPPENED FOUR YEARS AGO AND MY SON'S CAR
PARKED ON THE STREET WAS TOTALED BECAUSE THE STREET FLOODED.
YOU'VE HEARD THAT WE'VE HAD TEN EVENTS THIS PAST SUMMER.
NOT ONLY DID FOUNTAIN FLOOD, BUT THE PARK FLOODED.
WHEN THAT PARK FLOODS, IT'S LIKE A LAKE.
I LOOK OUT MY FRONT DOOR ACROSS THE PARK TO THOSE PEOPLE IN
PARKLAND BOULEVARD, ALL YOU SEE IS WATER.
IT'S INCREDIBLE.
SAW THE PICTURES DAVID ADAMS PRESENTED THEM.
THE BASIC CIVIC CONTRACT THAT I PAY TAXES AND I VOTE.
AND THE RECIPROCAL OF THAT IS I EXPECT THE CITY TO PROTECT
MY HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE BY MAKING SURE THESE
PREDICTABLE, REGULAR RECURRING FLOOD EVENTS ARE ENDED.
THE BALL IS ON THE GOAL LINE.
YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPROVE
FUNDING FOR THIS DESIGN-BUILD PLAN.
I URGE YOU TO DO SO.

THANK YOU.
11:01:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, MR. KELLY.
MARILYN SAMAHA.
YVONNE FERRELLI.
JEANETTE HICKIN.
11:01:48AM >> MARILYN SAMAHA.
PARKLAND ESTATES CIVIC PARK BOARD.
I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY CONCERN REGARDING THE MOBILITY
CITY'S COMMUNITY OUTREACH EFFORTS FOR THIS PROJECT.
THE MEETING HELD ON NOVEMBER 18 WAS THE FIRST INSTANT THAT
OUR ENTIRE PARKLAND ESTATES NEIGHBORHOOD WAS INVITED AND/OR
NOTIFIED OF SUCH OUTREACH IN EIGHT MONTHS.
THE FIRST TIME.
I BELIEVE THAT MORE TRANSPARENCY, OPEN AND HONEST
COMMUNICATION WITH THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY IS NECESSARY FOR A
PROJECT OF THIS SCALE AND STRONGLY URGE DELAYING THIS VOTE
FOR 120 DAYS SO ALL STAKEHOLDERS HAVE A PLAN THAT IS CLEARLY
PROVIDED FROM THE CITY.
THERE ARE OTHER SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROPOSED
STORMWATER PROJECT.
IN ITS CURRENT FORM, IT FAILS TO ADDRESS SIGNIFICANT
FLOODING CONDITIONS THAT ARE CAUSED BY MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF
WATER FLOWING FROM KENNEDY BOULEVARD DOWN THROUGH HABANA,
ARMENIA, AUDUBON, SWANN, AND MEMORIAL HOSPITAL INTO PARKLAND
ESTATES.

FURTHERMORE, THE PROJECT DOES NOT ADDRESS THE EXISTING
RETENTION PONDS, HOSPITAL'S PARKING LOT, TWO ADDITIONAL
RETENTION PONDS IN THE SAME AREA OR THE SURFACE WATER
FLOWING TO THE BAY, ULTIMATELY ENDING UP AT THE AUDUBON AND
SWANN INTERSECTION.
IT IS BAFFLING WHY THIS CRITICAL LOCATION HAS BEEN EXCLUDED
FROM THE PROJECT.
IT IS NOT IN THE PROJECT AT ALL.
I URGE YOU TO CAREFULLY CONSIDER THE STRATEGIC IMPORTANCE OF
THE AUDUBON AND SWANN INTERSECTION BECAUSE THIS SERVES AS
THE DRAIN FOR THIS ENTIRE STORMWATER BASIN.
I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO VOTE NO ON THIS PROJECT UNTIL THESE
CONCERNS ARE ANSWERED AND ANALYZED.
THE PARKLAND ESTATES CIVIC CLUB STRONGLY ADVOCATES FOR
KEEPING BOX CULVERTS OUT OF PARKLAND ESTATES AND PLACING
THEM ON SWANN AVENUE AS A CONSIDERATION.
OUR PRIMARY CONCERN IS FLOOD RELIEF AND WE BELIEVE THAT
POSITIONING THE CULVERTS ON SWANN IS THE MOST EFFECTIVE
SOLUTION TO ADDRESSING ALL OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AND ALL OF
THE BUSINESSES.
SWANN AVENUE IS STRATEGICALLY POSITIONED TO CAPTURE THE
MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF WATER FLOWING FROM THE NORTHERN AREAS.
WE URGE YOU TO CONSIDER OUR POSITION AND SUPPORT OUR
EFFORTS.
MAKE SURE THAT YOU ASK KIMMINS AND DELAY THIS PROJECT FOR

120 DAYS SO WE CAN GET SOME ANSWERS.
THANK YOU.
11:04:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YVONNE FERRELLI.
YVONNE FERRELLI.
JEANETTE HICKIN.
KEVIN LEVONAS.
11:04:44AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
YVONNE FERRELLI.
I LIVE IN PARKLAND ESTATES.
I'M A MEMBER OF THE HISTORIC PARKLAND ESTATES PRESERVATION
SOCIETY.
THIS PROJECT HAS COMPLETELY DIVIDED MY COMMUNITY, NEIGHBOR
AGAINST NEIGHBOR.
DIDN'T NEED TO BE THAT WAY.
I WOULD SAY THAT THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY HAS
CREATED THIS.
I WOULD ASK YOU TO LOOK AT JUNE 20th.
YOU HAD A MOTION THAT WAS UNANIMOUSLY VOTED UPON BY EACH OF
YOU, AND YOU VOTED TO REQUEST THE CITY MOBILITY DEPARTMENT
TO COME BEFORE YOU WITH AN ALTERNATIVE FROM PUTTING BOX
CULVERTS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THAT COMMUNITY IS STILL IN THE SAME POSTURE IT WAS WHEN
YOU HAD THIS MOTION AND APPROVED IT.
WE HAVE NOT MOVED FORWARD AT ALL.

VIK BHIDE AND THAT MOBILITY DEPARTMENT AND THE MAYOR'S
OFFICE HAVE DUG DOWN.
THEY HAVE NOT GIVEN YOU ANY KIND OF RECOURSE OR ANY TYPE OF
HOPE THAT THEY WILL FIND SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF PARKLAND
ESTATES OTHER THAN THOSE BOX CULVERTS.
AND THAT'S UNFORTUNATE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
I WOULD ASK YOU TO VOTE NO TODAY.
THERE IS PLENTY OF EVIDENCE WHY YOU SHOULD.
I WOULD ALSO ASK YOU TO ENFORCE THIS MOTION THAT YOU
UNANIMOUSLY VOTED ON, NOT TO VOTE ON ANYTHING RELATED TO
THIS SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD MITIGATION, WHICH IS TODAY BEFORE
YOU, VOTE NO.
AND DO NOT FUND IT UNTIL YOU HAVE A BETTER PERSPECTIVE OF
WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE FLOODING AND WITH ALL OF US IN THE
COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU.
11:06:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
JEANETTE HICKIN.
KEVIN LEVONAS.
MARK ABDONEY.
11:06:54AM >> GOOD DAY.
MY NAME IS JEANETTE HICKIN.
I LIVE IN PARKLAND ESTATES.
I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK THAT YOU RESPECTFULLY CONSIDER LOOKING
INTO AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE TO THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF

PROGRAM.
WE ALL APPRECIATE HOW DISTRESSING FLOODING IS, HIGHLIGHTED
BY THE RECENT HURRICANES HELENE AND MILTON.
BUT TO DESTROY OUR HISTORIC STREETS AND RESIDENTIAL
PROPERTIES SEEMS CRUELLY UNFAIR.
AT MONDAY'S MEETING WITH THE PANEL OF ENGINEERS, IT BECAME
CLEAR THAT THEY WERE NOT VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE CONCERNING THE
ROUTE THAT WAS UNDER DISCUSSION.
THE PROJECT MANAGER CLEARLY STATED THAT WATER FLOW IS
RESTRICTED BY BENDS, YET THE CITY -- COULD BE A POTENTIAL OF
SEVEN BENDS, INCLUDING TWO AT 90 DEGREES AND ONE JUST UNDER
90 DEGREES ON TWO OF THE ROUTES HIGHLIGHTED.
ALSO, IT SEEMS INCOMPREHENSIBLE THAT ANY -- THAT AN ECONOMIC
IMPACT STUDY HAS NOT BEEN DONE TO ALL OF THESE PLANS.
I IMPLORE YOU TO CONSIDER MORE THOROUGHLY THE PROPOSALS
CURRENTLY ON THE TABLE AND COME UP WITH A ROUTE THAT WILL
CAUSE LESS DISTRESS TO ALL THOSE WHO WILL BE AFFECTED
FOREVER.
JUST LISTENING TO THE GENTLEMAN TALKING ON THE COUNTY, WHY
AREN'T WE WAITING FOR THE COUNTY TO TELL US BECAUSE THE
FLOODING APPARENTLY COMES FROM NORTH OF US, NOT INTO
PARKLAND INITIALLY, BUT NORTH OF US.
SO PERHAPS THE COUNTY PLAN WILL INCORPORATE ALL THIS AND
WE'LL ALL BE IN THE SAME BOAT TOGETHER AND HOPEFULLY HAVE A
HAPPY CONCLUSION.

THANK YOU.
11:08:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
KEVIN LEVONAS.
11:08:50AM >> KEVIN LEVONAS.
PALMA CEIA PINES.
I SUPPORT THE SOUTH HOWARD RELIEF PROJECT.
I'M A FOUNDER AND EXECUTIVE OF THE SOFTWARE COMPANY.
HUNDRED EMPLOYEES, HALF A DOZEN IN TAMPA.
I OWN TWO PROPERTIES IN WEST TAMPA.
I AM A PROACTIVE MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY.
MY WIFE WENT TO USF AND WHEN COVID HIT WE PURCHASED A
BRAND-NEW HOME IN ARRAWANA JULY 17, 2020.
WE MOVED HERE BECAUSE TAMPA MADE THE RIGHT DECISIONS WHEN
FACED WITH ADVERSITY.
THANK YOU.
THIS IS YOUR TIME TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION AND THE
DECISION TO MOVE FORWARD EXPEDITIOUSLY.
THIS ONE DECISION WILL AFFECT YOUR REELECTION.
I'LL BE CLEAR.
YOU VOTE YES TODAY, YOU HAVE EARNED MY VOTE.
IF YOU FAIL THE VOTERS, BUSINESS OWNERS, RESIDENTS OF
PARKLAND ESTATES, PALMA CEIA PINES, YOU'LL NOT HAVE OUR VOTE
BUT HAVE GAINED OUR RESENTMENT.
CARLSON, I WAS AT THE STOVALL HURRICANE EVENT.
I WAS EXCITED TO MEET YOU.
YOU WERE NOT THERE.

I KNOW WHERE YOU STAND.
MIRANDA, YOU WERE AT THE BAPTIST CHURCH EVENT.
EVERY TIME IT RAINS, IT WILL REMIND US HOW YOU GUYS VOTED
AND HOW WE WILL VOTE.
HUNDRED PERCENT.
YOU HAVE SMART PEOPLE WHO HAVE OUTLINED A GREAT
COMPREHENSIVE PROJECT TO MEDIATE THE FLOODING.
IT'S NOT PERFECT.
IT'S DEFINITELY NOT PERFECT FOR ME.
I LIVE ON ARRAWANA, FOR MY FAMILY, BUT IT WORKS.
HERE ARE THE FACTS.
146 HOMES WERE FLOODED IN PALMA CEIA PINES.
41 HOMES FLOODED.
ONE CHURCH IN PARKLAND ESTATES.
56 BUSINESSES WERE FLOODED, APPROXIMATELY 18 WERE DOCTORS'
OFFICES.
LASTLY, ATTENDED THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH MEETING AT THE
CALVARY BAPTIST CHURCH THIS WEEK.
THE HIGHLIGHT OF THE MEETING FOR ME IT WAS HIJACKED BY JOE
COLLIER, DAVID LAXER.
THEY STOOD UP AND TALKED ABOUT THEIR $40 MILLION WINE CELLAR
AND HOW IT WOULD BE INTERRUPTED.
THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MOMENT VERSUS THE REST OF THE
COMMUNITY THAT GOT FLOODED.
THE DIALOGUE AROUND THIS WINE CELLAR WAS BAD.

THIS IS EVIDENCE OF A SELFISH, DANGEROUS, AND DISINGENUOUS
PERSPECTIVE.
MANIPULATION IS PRETTY CLEAR.
THERE IS NO NEED TO DELAY THE CONSTRUCTION ANYMORE.
DUE DILIGENCE HAS BEEN DONE.
WE CONSIDERED ALL THE OTHER OPTIONS.
WE DON'T NEED TO PAUSE.
IT'S BEEN NINE YEARS.
YOU DON'T MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION.
YOU MAKE THE DECISION RIGHT.
APPROVE THE SOUTH HOWARD RELIEF PROJECT, AND LET'S GET THIS
SHOW ON THE ROAD.
THANK YOU.
11:11:03AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR?
11:11:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO, NO.
11:11:04AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE BROKE THE RULE BY ALLOWING SOMEBODY TO
MENTION US.
I FEEL IT'S --
11:11:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
TAKE IT OUTSIDE.
11:11:16AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'VE BEEN VERY INVOLVED IN FLOOD RELIEF,
INCLUDING --
11:11:19AM >> NO.
11:11:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
11:11:21AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I CAN SPEAK WHENEVER I WANT.

11:11:23AM >> NEXT SPEAKER.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
11:11:25AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I NEVER SAID I WAS GOING TO THAT EVENT.
I SAID I WAS AVAILABLE FOR INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS.
11:11:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ENOUGH.
ENOUGH.
SIR, YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER.
11:11:35AM >>BILL CARLSON:
-- FEMA, DONE MANY, MANY FORUMS --
11:11:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SIR, JUST STOP.
WE HAVE TO GET THROUGH THIS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:11:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHOEVER IS -- THE ADMINISTRATION CREATING
THIS DIVISIVENESS IS UNBELIEVABLE.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
11:11:48AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS IS THE WORST ISSUE WE'VE EVER DEALT
WITH.
11:11:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER.
11:11:51AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU ALLOWED SOMEONE TO BREAK THE RULES.
11:11:56AM >> YOU ARE SO DISRESPECTFUL.
11:11:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
STOP.
ENOUGH.
I'LL RULE PEOPLE OUT OF ORDER.
STOP.
ENOUGH.

SIR, DR. ABDONEY, YOU ARE THE NEXT SPEAKER.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:12:08AM >> WHOO!
11:12:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS YOU.
YOU LOOK TOO YOUNG.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE GENTLEMAN THAT PUT THE BRACES ON
MY TEETH WHEN I WAS 13 YEARS OLD.
11:12:16AM >> THAT WAS MY DAD.
11:12:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:12:23AM >> DR. MARK ABDONEY.
I AM A LIFETIME TAMPA RESIDENT.
I AM BOTH A BUSINESS OWNER IN PALMA CEIA PINES.
MY BUSINESS IS ABDONEY PERIODONTICS ON WEST AZEELE STREET.
ALSO A HOMEOWNER IN PALMA CEIA PINES.
OWN THE RESIDENCE NEXT DOOR, 406 SOUTH HABANA AVENUE.
THIS IS NOW THE SECOND FLOOD EVENT THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE
LAST NINE YEARS.
FIRST IN 2015 AND THEN THIS LAST ONE WITH MILTON.
THOSE EVENTS, ESPECIALLY THIS LAST ONE WITH MILTON, SHUT ME
DOWN FOR AN ENTIRE MONTH.
THE ONLY REASON WHY I'M ABLE TO STAND HERE NOW AND TALK TO
YOU IS BECAUSE I ACTUALLY SANDBAGGED MY OFFICE AND EVEN
THOUGH I HAD 30 INCHES OF WATER OUTSIDE MY OFFICE, SOMEHOW I
GOT FOUR INCHES INSIDE STILL.
BUT IF I HAD NOT DONE THAT I WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE MANY OF

THESE OTHER PEOPLE HERE AND OTHER BUSINESSES WHO ARE
PROBABLY NOT HERE BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL, YOU KNOW, IN MID
CONSTRUCTION AND NOT WORKING AND NOT OPEN.
SO I WAS FORTUNATE.
STILL, JUST BEING OUT FOR A MONTH IS A MORTAL INJURY.
AND THEN TO COME IN HERE THIS MORNING AND SUGGEST AFTER ALL
THIS TIME AND ALL THESE EVENTS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO NOW
AGAIN POSTPONE THIS FOR FOUR MONTHS, AND KICK THIS CAN DOWN
THE ROAD WHILE KICKING ALL OF US IN THE STOMACH AT THE SAME
TIME IS NOT JUST AN INJURY, IT IS AN INSULT TO INJURY.
AND I DON'T APPRECIATE IT AT ALL.
I HAVE BEEN SHUT DOWN FOR A MONTH.
I WAS SHUT DOWN DURING COVID.
I'VE HEARD THE EPICUREAN BUSINESS MANAGER TALK ABOUT HAVING
TO LET EMPLOYEES GO DURING COVID.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BUSINESS PRACTICES ARE LIKE OVER
THERE, BUT WHEN I WAS SHUT DOWN DURING COVID AND THAT WAS
FOR ABOUT EIGHT WEEKS, I PAID ALL MY STAFF, NOT REALLY
KNOWING WHAT KIND OF SBA LOAN I WOULD BE GETTING.
I JUST DID IT.
AND THIS PAST EPISODE WHERE I WAS SHUT DOWN DURING MILTON,
SAME THING.
I PAID MY STAFF.
THAT'S JUST HOW I CONDUCT THINGS.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE EMPLOYEES GETTING

LAID OFF OR LET GO, BUT ONE THING THAT WE DON'T HAVE IN
PALMA CEIA PINES OR PARKLAND IS ANY TYPE OF HEADS-UP OR
NOTICE WHEN ONE OF THESE CATASTROPHIC EVENTS IS ABOUT TO
HAPPEN.
THEY'VE GOT AT LEAST TWO YEARS TO PLAN FOR IT.
AND THOSE EMPLOYEES COULD AT LEAST, IF THEY ARE NOT GOING TO
BE TAKEN CARE OF BY THE BUSINESSES, CAN SEEK ALTERNATIVE
SHORT-TERM EMPLOYMENT DURING THAT TIME.
11:15:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:15:27AM >> ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU.
11:15:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE PRIANKA GERRISH, MICHAEL STUART,
AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A RECESS BECAUSE WE HAVE AN ENTIRE FLOOR
BELOW US WAITING TO COME UP TO SPEAK.
IF YOU'VE ALREADY SPOKEN, IF YOU WOULD BE SO KIND TO GO TO
THE SECOND FLOOR.
IT'S TVs.
YOU'LL SEE EVERYTHING, SEE THE MEETING, BUT WE HAVE TO BRING
ANOTHER GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS UP BECAUSE THE ROOM IS LIMITED.
11:15:49AM >> PRIANKA GERRISH.
MY FIRST COMMENT TO ALL THE PEOPLE ASKING FOR THE EXTENSION,
YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE ASKED 120 DAYS AGO.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS IS COMING UP NOW.
THE CITY OF TAMPA IS ONE THAT IS GROWING AND EVOLVING AND
BLOSSOMING IN EVERY WAY FROM RESTAURANTS AND NIGHT LIFE TO

MUSIC AND ART TO SMALL BUSINESSES AND SPORTS.
IT'S BURGEONING IN EVERY SENSE.
TAMPA IS POISED IF NOT ALREADY TO BE AN URBAN POWERHOUSE.
SO IT BAFFLES ME THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE HAS NOT KEPT PACE
WITH THE GROWTH.
YOU CANNOT GROW YOUR PLANT TO GREAT HEIGHTS IF YOU DON'T
TAKE CARE OF THE ROOTS.
MANY OF YOU HERE HAVE THE GOOD FORTUNE TO GO HOME AND HAVE
YOUR NORMAL EVENING AND A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS ARE OPERATING
IN A VACUUM OF RHETORICAL QUESTIONS AND NONSCIENTIFIC
ARMCHAIR ENGINEERING.
THE REST OF US ARE OPERATING IN REALITY WITH WATERLOGGED
HOMES, RIPPED OUT DRYWALL, RIPPED OUT FLOORS AND CONSTANT
STRESS OF TRYING TO REBUILD.
WE ARE RESILIENT BUT MANY OF US ARE HEMORRHAGING OUT LIFE
SAVINGS AND PAYING A MORTGAGE NOTE ALONG WITH MONTHLY RENT,
PROPERTY TAXES, REMEDIATION REBUILD COSTS AND WE NEED HOPE
THAT THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO GET GREEN LIGHTED.
WE WERE THE PEOPLE WHO RESEARCHED WHERE TO BUY AND WHERE TO
BUILD OUR HOMES.
WE LOOKED AT THINGS LIKE ELEVATION AND BEING IN FLOOD ZONE
X.
WE FELT GREAT ABOUT THE DECISIONS WE WERE MAKING.
IF THIS WATER HAD COME FROM A HURRICANE STORM SURGE, I WOULD
HAVE TAKEN MY LICKS AND I WOULD HAVE GIVEN MOTHER NATURE A

POINT ON THE SCOREBOARD.
THE FACT THAT STORMWATER FROM OUR DRAINS MIXED WITH SEWAGE
WATER NOW FLOODING IN ZONE X, THAT IS A DIFFICULT PILL TO
SWALLOW WHEN YOU THINK YOU'RE MAKING A GOOD CHOICE.
I AM SO HEATED AT WHAT I PAY IN PROPERTY TAXES AND THE
AMOUNT OF TIME AND ENERGY IT HAS TAKEN TO BEG FOR SOUND
FLOOD RELIEF AND SAFE STREETS.
IT'S INDESCRIBABLY MADDENING.
THE DATA IS ALL THERE.
IT'S BEEN THERE FOR YEARS.
THERE ARE COLD, HARD FACTS FROM THE ELEGANT PRESENTATION AND
TIRELESS EFFORTS OF VIK BHIDE AND HIS TEAM.
YET HERE I AM BEGGING FOR SAFE STREETS FOR US TO PARK OUR
CAR IN THE DRIVEWAY, UNLOAD OUR GROCERIES, GET INTO CAR LINE
ON TIME FOR SCHOOL AND PICK UP MY KIDS.
GOD FORBID ANYBODY GETS SICK AND WE CAN'T GET OUT TO THE
HOSPITAL.
THAT WILL BE A WHOLE OTHER THING.
SOUTH HOWARD BUSINESS ALLIANCE, THEY ARE FORMIDABLE
OPPONENTS.
WHO DO YOU ALL THINK IS GOING TO BERN'S FOR DATE NIGHT?
HAVEN FOR COCKTAILS WITH FRIENDS?
WHO CAN'T RIP THEIR KIDS AWAY FROM WATER AND FLOWER.
IT'S US.
IT'S ALL OF US.

WE ARE THEIR PATRONS.
WE ARE THE ONES WHO FREQUENT THEIR BUSINESS.
WE SING THEIR PRAISES AND DELIGHT IN THEIR SERVICE.
I'M THE MOM WHO IS UP AT MIDNIGHT WHEN BERN'S RESERVATION
GOES LIVE SIX MONTHS OUT TO SNAG A TABLE FOR A CELEBRATION.
I AM THE LADY THAT TAKES THE TOUR OF BERN'S AFTER DINNER AND
TAKEN IT EIGHT TIMES AND I'M EQUALLY ENTHRALLED EVERY TIME I
TAKE IT.
I'M THE ONE WHO IS DRINKING THE WINE.
I'M HAPPY TO COME AND DRINK MORE WINE AND BRING ALL MY
FRIENDS.
YOUR PATRONS WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT YOU AS THEY ALWAYS
HAVE.
BUT YOUR NEIGHBORS, YOUR CONSTITUENTS, YOUR PATRONS, WE ARE
TIRED AND WE ARE RUNNING ON FUMES.
IT IS MENTALLY EXHAUSTING TO BEG FOR PUBLIC WORKS THAT IS
ALREADY SOUND ENGINEERING.
EXHAUSTING TO RESEARCH AND DISPEL AND REFUTE THE SHEER
VOLUME OF MISINFORMATION.
WE HAVE A GOOD PLAN.
LET'S START IT TOMORROW.
11:18:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OUR FINAL SPEAKER BEFORE WE TAKE A RECESS AS I EXPLAIN ABOUT
THE OTHER FOLKS COMING IN, MICHAEL STEWARD.
11:19:07AM >> MICHAEL STEWARD.

A PARTNER AT 717 SOUTH RESTAURANT, ALSO AVA RESTAURANT.
THE PROBLEM WITH GOING LAST, I'VE HEARD SO MANY SIDES OF THE
STORY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT
IS FAIR WHEN PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE THAT WENT
BEFORE AND CAN'T HAVE A REBUTTAL.
I AM A RESTAURANT GUY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WORK.
BUT THE SAD THING IS, IT'S NOT ABOUT BUSINESS OWNERS -- I
HAVE A SPEECH.
I'M GOING TO IGNORE IT.
IT'S NOT ABOUT BUSINESS OWNERS SAVING UP MONEY.
WE WENT THROUGH COVID, RIGHT?
THE GENTLEMAN SAID THAT, BUT WE GOT -- WE DIDN'T HAVE A
BUSINESS AND THAT WAS TWO MONTHS.
I LIVED THROUGH THIS TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE IN SOUTH TAMPA.
THE EXACT SAME INFRASTRUCTURE.
I TOOK A GOLF CART.
I TOOK MY KIDS TO SCHOOL.
WHEN I WENT TO PUBLIX, COULDN'T GET TO MY HOUSE.
TOOK GOLF CARTS, RIGHT.
THAT DIDN'T WORK?
LIVE ON A DEAD-END STREET IN SOUTH TAMPA THAT COMPLETELY
FLOODED ON THE LAST GO-AROUND.
THEY PUT IN A CULVERT SYSTEM.

UNFORTUNATELY, IT DIDN'T WORK.
I SEE A MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM ON HOWARD AVENUE.
I WENT TO THE MEETING ON MONDAY AND NO DISRESPECT TO THE
ENGINEERS THAT WERE THERE, GLOSSY BROCHURE SAID WE ARE GOING
TO WIDEN STREETS, DO THIS ON THE MEDIANS.
I GET A LITTLE UPSET BECAUSE I ASKED THEM, HAVE YOU EVEN
BEEN TO HOWARD AVENUE.
THIS IS NOT PART OF A BROCHURE THAT'S GOING TO LIKE JUST
IMPROVE THE STREET.
WE HAVE NO ROOM.
BEEN TO 717 AND AVA, THERE IS NO ROOM.
I COULD GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE VERY END.
I HAVE BEEN TOLD THERE ARE OTHER ALTERNATIVES.
ALL OF MY CUSTOMERS ARE SITTING BEHIND ME.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE BIG DEAL OF WAITING 120 DAYS REALLY.
IF WHAT EVERYBODY -- WHAT I'M SAYING IS TO WAIT 120 DAYS TO
LET US GIVE OUR EVIDENCE.
WHAT'S ANOTHER 120 DAYS, RIGHT?
THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE OF WHAT I SAID.
WHERE I LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA, I FLOODED.
EIGHT HOMES ON MY STREET ALL FLOODED AND WE HAVE THIS EXACT
SAME CULVERT SYSTEM RUNNING FROM MY HOUSE.
BEYOND THAT I CAN TALK ABOUT THE EMPLOYEES.
I HAD A MEETING LAST NIGHT.
UNFORTUNATELY, I'M LATE TO THE GAME.

I JUST HEARD ABOUT THIS A MONTH AGO.
I ASKED, QUITE FRANKLY, CAN YOU DO WITHOUT ONE PAYCHECK?
THEY KIND OF LOOKED AT ME LIKE, THAT IS A LITTLE WEIRD.
WHAT ABOUT TWO PAYCHECKS?
WHAT ABOUT THREE PAYCHECKS?
WHAT ABOUT FOUR PAYCHECKS?
THEY SAID I LOVE WORKING FOR YOU.
I'VE BEEN AT 717 FOR 20 YEARS AND REBUILDING AN INCREDIBLE
RESTAURANT RIGHT NOW, BUT EVERY ONE OF THEM SAID I HAVE TO
LEAVE YOU.
INFLATION, HURRICANES, THE RESILIENCE OF THE BUSINESSES ON
HOWARD AVENUE, WE HAVE SURVIVED THAT.
I CAN TELL YOU WE WON'T SURVIVE BEING SHUT DOWN.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
11:22:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE'LL GO INTO A RECESS.
IF YOU HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE GO DOWN TO
THE SECOND FLOOR.
WE HAVE A WHOLE ROOM SET UP WITH CHAIRS AND TVs.
THEN WE'LL BRING UP A WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE.
WE ARE IN RECESS.
THANK YOU.
FOR FIVE MINUTES.
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[RECESS]

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11:37:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER.
IF WE COULD HAVE ROLL CALL AND THEN I'LL YIELD TO
MR. SHELBY.
11:37:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
11:37:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
11:37:33AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PRESENT.
11:37:36AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
11:37:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
11:37:39AM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
11:37:41AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
AS YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE ON THE SECOND FLOOR,
THEY HAVE BEEN MOVED UPSTAIRS.
I DID READ THE RULES OF DECORUM EARLIER, AND HOPEFULLY YOU
DID HEAR THE SUGGESTION TO REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR,
INCLUDING COMMENTS, MAKING CLAPS, CLAPPING OR SNAPPING,
PLEASE.
BUT THERE WAS REFERENCE MADE TO A RULE EARLIER.
I JUST WANT TO BRING IT TO THE PUBLIC'S ATTENTION AND
REFRESH COUNCIL'S RECOLLECTION.
THAT'S RULE 5F UNDER THE RULES OF DECORUM.
SPEAKERS SHALL REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING
MAKING VULGAR OR THREATENING REMARKS AND SHALL REFRAIN FROM
MAKING PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST ANY CITY OFFICIAL, CITY

STAFF MEMBER, OR MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.
COMMENTS SHALL BE DIRECTED TO THE COUNCIL AS A BODY AND NOT
TO INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:38:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE'LL CONTINUE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL HOUR AND A HALF.
WE'LL WRAP UP SOME OF THE AGENDA AND BREAK FOR LUNCH AT
ABOUT 1, 1:15 IF EVERYTHING GOES ON SCHEDULE.
DOES ANYBODY SEE CAR KEYS ON THE FLOOR WHERE YOU ARE
SITTING?
SOMEBODY LEFT THEIR CAR KEYS BEHIND.
11:39:04AM >>LUIS VIERA:
REAL BRIEFLY, TO EVERYBODY SPEAKING, I KNOW
THIS IS OBVIOUS.
YOU HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE THE FULL THREE MINUTES.
THAT'S ALL.
THOUGH YOU ARE WELCOME TO.
11:39:15AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ONE OTHER REMINDER, THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN
VIERA, FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
THERE IS THE LIGHT AT THE TOP OF THE LECTERN.
THERE ARE THREE LIGHTS.
A GREEN, YELLOW, RED.
WHEN YOU SPEAK, THE GREEN LIGHT GOES ON.
WHEN THE RED GOES ON, YOU HEAR A TONE AND 30 SECONDS LEFT

FOR YOU TO WRAP UP.
WHEN THE RED GOES ON, THAT MEANS PLEASE REFRAIN FROM
SPEAKING AND THE BEEPER WILL CONTINUE TO GO OFF.
ONE OTHER THING, COUNCIL, JUST A REMINDER AND SO THE PUBLIC
SHOULD KNOW, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS A VERY FULL EVENING AGENDA
THAT BEGINS AT 5:00.
THE SOONER THEY CAN GET THROUGH THE CITY BUSINESS, THE
SOONER THEY CAN BE PREPARED FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING.
COUNCIL, THE SUGGESTION IS WHEN 3:45 ROLLS AROUND, IF YOU
HAVEN'T FINISHED YOUR AGENDA, YOU CONTINUE WHAT YOU HAVE, DO
NEW BUSINESS AND TAKE AN HOUR FOR DINNER SO YOU CAN COME
BACK AND START 5:00 ON TIME.
11:40:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS KHADEEM.
IF YOU ARE HERE, SIR, FOLLOWED BY STEVEN GERRISH AND COLIN
THOMPSON ON ALLISON DOUCETTE.
ONE OR THE OTHER BUT NOT BOTH.
ON THE SAME CARD.
11:40:20AM >> DEAR CITY COUNCIL, MY NAME IS KHADEEM SEALEY.
CURRENTLY WORK AT BERN'S STEAK HOUSE AND BERN'S FINE WINE
AND SPIRITS.
I AM TRULY CONCERNED ABOUT THE CLOSING OF HOWARD AVENUE.
MY DIRECT SOURCE OF INCOME FOR MY FAMILY IS FROM BERN'S
STEAK HOUSE.
THIS CLOSURE IS GOING TO AFFECT MY FINANCES DIRECTLY.

BUT EVEN THEN I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT DYLAN SCARMANDO,
GINA, SERVERS, THE BARTENDER AND HANNA THOMPSON, A PASTRY
CHEF WHO RECENTLY HAD BABIES THIS YEAR.
THEY ARE JUST TEN INDIVIDUALS WHO ALSO WORK AT BERN'S STEAK
HOUSE WHO ARE CURRENTLY HAVING OR HAVE ALREADY HAD CHILDREN
IN THE PAST YEAR.
THE NAMES THAT I HAVE MENTIONED DOES NOT INCLUDE THE OTHER
85 PERCENT OF EMPLOYEES WHO CURRENTLY HAVE MULTIPLE
CHILDREN.
THEY ARE SOLE PROVIDERS FOR.
THIS CLOSURE WILL PUT IMMENSE PRESSURE ON A MICROECONOMY.
I AM ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE CANCELLATIONS THAT ARE
FORECAST FOR THE RESERVATIONS TO ACCOMMODATE THE PEOPLE FROM
ALL OVER THE WORLD WHO ARE TRYING TO COME TO TAMPA, FLORIDA,
TO EXPERIENCE ONE OF THE WORLD'S LARGEST WINE CELLARS THAT
WOULD LIKE TO COME TO TAMPA BAY AND EXPERIENCE THE HISTORY
OF BERN'S STEAK HOUSE SINCE 1956.
THIS, I BELIEVE, CAN AFFECT THE MACRO ECONOMY.
SORRY.
I'M CHOKING UP.
THAT MADE ME THINK ABOUT HOW TAMPA BAY IS DIFFERENT FROM
MOST OF THE WORLD.
WHEN IT COMES FROM PRESERVING ITS HISTORY.
THE OWNER OF BERN'S STEAK HOUSE HAD TO ENDURE MULTIPLE
STORMS THIS YEAR AND EVEN POWER OUTAGES THAT CAUSED THEM TO

THROW AWAY ALL OF THE FOOD IN THEIR STORE AND INCUR HUNDRED
PERCENT LABOR COST TO REOPEN THE RESTAURANT AT A LOSS.
ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS JUST THIS YEAR, BERN'S HAS LOST
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN FOOD AND DAMAGES.
THESE STORMS, WE WERE ABLE TO WEATHER, BUT SHUTTING DOWN THE
MAIN ACCESS TO HISTORIC BUILDING THAT MIGHT BE A STORM THAT
WE MAY NOT SURVIVE.
WE ARE NOT ASKING YOU TO CEASE THE ENHANCEMENT OF THE CITY
OF TAMPA.
WE ARE JUST TRYING TO FIND ALTERNATIVE ROUTES SO THAT WE CAN
PROTECT THE HISTORY THAT IS BERN'S STEAK HOUSE.
THANK YOU.
11:42:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
STEVE GERRISH.
COLIN THOMPSON OR ALLISON DOUCETTE.
AND GIOVANNI.
11:42:55AM >> HELLO, COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS STEVE GERRISH.
I LIVE IN PARKLAND ESTATES.
VERY QUICK, BEFORE I GET INTO MY SPEECH, I WANTED TO ADDRESS
A COUPLE OF WHAT WAS SAID EARLIER.
THERE IS A TON OF MISLEADING INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN GOING
ALL OVER FOR THE LAST MONTH OR SO.
ONE THING IS I KNOW THAT THE OWNER OF 717 MENTIONED THAT HIS
HOUSE FLOODED EVEN THOUGH HE HAD BOX CULVERTS PUT IN.

THAT'S A LITTLE MISLEADING.
HE SAID AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING HE FLOODED FROM HELENE,
WHICH IS STORM SURGE.
THE BOX CULVERTS WILL NOT DO ANYTHING FOR THAT.
JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND.
THE OTHER THING IS, I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF MISLEADING
INFORMATION THAT THE RESTAURANTS ON HOWARD WILL NEED TO
CLOSE, COMPLETELY CLOSE THEIR DOORS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY EVIDENCE BEHIND THAT.
KIMMINS CONTRACTING HAS DONE PLENTY OF PROJECTS IN HYDE PARK
WHERE NOBODY HAD TO CLOSE FOR SAFETY REASONS OR ANYTHING
LIKE THAT.
IN FACT, BERN'S IN JULY OF 2023 CLOSED THEIR DOORS
COMPLETELY FOR THREE WEEKS FOR RENOVATIONS.
THEY SEEM TO BE DOING JUST FINE ON THE OTHER END OF THAT.
FIRST OFF, I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE, COUNCIL, YOUR ATTENTION
AND DILIGENCE REGARDING THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF
PROJECT.
I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN INUNDATED WITH E-MAILS AND CALLS ON THIS
MATTER AND IT MUST BE EXHAUSTING.
YOU HAVE A 12-HOUR MEETING TODAY OR LONGER.
SO THANK YOU.
IT'S BEEN INTERESTING TO SEE THE INTENSE DOUBT AND
SKEPTICISM LARGE OF THIS PROJECT.
BOTH THE CITY ENGINEERS AND CONSULTING ENGINEERS SPENT

NEARLY A DECADE STUDYING THIS PROBLEM.
THEY HAVE COUNTLESS YEARS OF EXPERTISE AND TRAINING TO SOLVE
THE VERY ISSUES OF STORMWATER DRAINAGE.
THEY PUT THEIR SIGNATURE ON THE PROJECT, WHICH FOR A
PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IS A VERY SERIOUS STEP.
IF A PROJECT FAILS, THAN AN ENGINEER WHO SIGNED OFF ON THAT
PROJECT CAN LOSE THEIR LICENSE AND LIVELIHOOD.
THEY DO NOT TAKE THE DECISIONS LIGHTLY.
THEY HAD NUMEROUS MEETINGS AND DISCUSSIONS WHERE THEY
CLEARLY EXPLAINED THE PROJECT AND WHY IT WILL WORK.
YET AFTER ALL OF THAT, THERE STILL REMAINS INTENSE DOUBT AND
SKEPTICISM OF THE SUCCESS OF THE PROJECT.
WHY?
DID EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE ENGINEERS SUDDENLY BECOME
INCOMPETENT OR UNTRUSTWORTHY?
WHY ALL THE PEOPLE ZERO EXPERIENCE IN CIVIL ENGINEERING
DOUBTING THE LIFE WORK OF EXPERTS IN THE FIELD?
MAKES NO SENSE TO ME.
PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR MORE TIME TO STUDY DIFFERENT ROUTES.
HOW IS 120 MORE DAYS GOING TO CHANGE WHAT HAS BEEN STUDIED
FOR NINE YEARS AND 19 DIFFERENT ROUTES AND MANNERS OF
DRAINAGE ALREADY STUDIED.
THIS IS PUSHING IF FARTHER DOWN THE ROAD AND ANOTHER NINE
YEARS FROM NOW, WHEN PARKLAND ESTATES WILL NEED TO BE
RENAMED LAKELAND ESTATES BECAUSE IT WILL BE ONE LARGE BODY

OF WATER DUE TO WORSENING FLOODING.
WHO IS GOING TO COME TO THE SOUTH HOWARD BUSINESSES THEN.
YOU'LL HAVE NO NEIGHBORS.
UNLESS YOU SERVE LUNCH AND DINNER TO DUCKS, GEESE AND
ALLIGATORS.
LET'S BE HONEST ABOUT TODAY'S VOTE.
TODAY IS ABOUT STARTING A DESIGN.
NOBODY IS LEAVING HERE WITH A SHOVEL AND DIGGING UP HOWARD.
I LOVE THE BUSINESSES ON HOWARD.
MY FAMILY FREQUENTS THEM OFTEN.
I SINCERELY HOPE THAT DURING THE DESIGN PHASE THEY DECIDE TO
AVOID HOWARD.
THEY CAN RUN THE CULVERTS RIGHT THROUGH MY LIVING ROOM IF IT
SPARES THE PRECIOUS WINES AT BERN'S BUT AT THE SAME TIME
STOPS THE CONSTANT FLOODING OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
THANK YOU.
11:45:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COLIN THOMPSON ON ALLISON DOUCETTE.
MS. DOUCETTE, YOU WON'T BE SPEAKING?
THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:46:04AM >> COLIN THOMPSON.
I, ALONG WITH MY PARTNER, ETHAN LOEB AND ALLISON DOUCETTE,
REPRESENT OVER A DOZEN OF THE BUSINESSES ON SOUTH HOWARD,

ALL THE WAY FROM BERN'S AND EPICUREAN HOTEL TO NORTH OF
SWANN, McDINTON'S, BAR HOWARD.
THESE ARE THE BUSINESSES THAT WE'VE HEARD TODAY FROM I THINK
EVERYONE THAT HAVE MADE THE SOUTH TAMPA AREA, SOUTH TAMPA IN
GENERAL AND THE TAMPA BAY AREA IN GENERAL ONE OF THE GREAT
PLACES TO LIVE AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT PEOPLE COME HERE.
MY CLIENT'S ESTABLISHMENTS ARE WHERE PEOPLE GO FOR
ANNIVERSARIES, FOR GRADUATIONS, TO CELEBRATE MILESTONES AND
TO JUST CELEBRATE THE END OF A GOOD WORKWEEK.
WE HAVE HEARD WHAT THIS PROJECT PROPOSES TO DO IS STOP THAT.
THIS WHOLE CORRIDOR BY DESIGN, ORGANIC DESIGN, IS
INTERCONNECTED.
STOPPING PIECES OF IT AT A TIME STOPS THE WHOLE ECONOMIC
ENGINE THAT IS SOUTH HOWARD.
IT WILL STOP FOR THE RESIDENTS AND THOSE PEOPLE.
ALL OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS WHO COME DOWN TO ENJOY THESE AREAS,
AND IT WILL IMPACT GREATLY THE EMPLOYEES WHO DEPEND ON THESE
ESTABLISHMENTS.
AND THEIR DRAW FOR OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS.
WAY TOO OFTEN THE GOVERNMENT MOVES WITH GOOD INTENTIONS ONLY
TO FIND THAT THE TREATMENT THAT THEY PRESCRIBED IS AS BAD AS
THE DISEASE, AND THAT THE END RESULT IS NOT THE CURE THAT
WAS PROMISED.
AND THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THIS CURRENT PROPOSED
PLAN.

YOU'RE BEING ASKED TODAY TO VOTE TO APPROVE A CONTRACT,
APPROVE AND BIND THE CITY TO A CONTRACT THAT ALREADY
ESTABLISHES THE ROUTE AND THE MECHANISMS OF STORMWATER THAT
WILL RUN IT RIGHT DOWN AND SYSTEMATICALLY DESTROY BUSINESSES
FOR TIME PERIODS THAT WILL ULTIMATELY DESTROY THE WHOLE
CORRIDOR.
YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, THOUGH, TO PAUSE ON THIS, TO NOT
FALL VICTIM TO A TREATMENT THAT IS AS BAD AS THE DISEASE AND
WILL NOT PROVIDE THE CURE.
THE RESIDENTS OF PARKLAND ESTATES AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS
ABSOLUTELY DESERVE RELIEF.
AND THEY DESERVE RELIEF FROM THE STORMWATER MORE THAN JUST
FOR THE AFTERNOON STORMS.
WE LIVE IN A CHANGING WORLD AND THINGS ARE GETTING WORSE.
WE NEED A COMPREHENSIVE SOLUTION THAT ADDRESSES NOT ONLY THE
AFTERNOON STORMS BUT IT'S GOING TO ADDRESS THE EVENTS THAT
THE NOW 50-YEAR STORM IS NOW THE 25-YEAR STORM, IS A 10-YEAR
STORM.
THIS PROPOSED PROJECT DOES NOT DO THAT.
BUT IT DOES IMPACT AND DESTROY BUSINESSES THAT THIS
COMMUNITY DEPENDS ON AND HAS MADE THIS A DESIRABLE PLACE TO
GO AND THAT EVERYBODY IN THIS AREA WANTS TO GO.
IF YOU VOTE YES ON THIS CONTRACT WITHOUT THAT PAUSE, YOU
WILL BE CREATING A TREATMENT WORSE THAN THE DISEASE.
THANK YOU.

11:49:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
GIOVANNI, CARROLL ANN BENNETT, AND JORDAN.
GOOD MORNING, SIR.
11:49:19AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS GIOVANNI ARCADU.
I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING.
I'M ITALIAN.
APOLOGIZE FOR MY ACCENT AND ANY MISTAKE I DO.
I BROUGHT A SPEECH BUT SEE A LOT OF WORKERS FROM THE
BUSINESSES ON SOUTH HOWARD.
I WANT TO THANK THEM BECAUSE I AM A CUSTOMER.
I LIKE TO GO IN THOSE BUSINESSES.
I ALSO WANT TO SAY A FEW THINGS.
THOSE PEOPLE ARE HERE TO DEFEND THE SAME BUSINESSES THAT
THEY ARE -- LOSS OF INCOME, THE FIRST THING THEY DO, FIRE
THE SAME PEOPLE.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU REMEMBER THAT BECAUSE A LITTLE BIT
IRONIC.
I BROUGHT THIS LITTLE SPEECH.
I WILL BE QUICK.
BUSINESSES ON SOUTH HOWARD ARE WORRIED BECAUSE THEY WILL
HAVE PROBLEMS TO MANAGE.
WE ARE YOUR CUSTOMERS, YOUR NEIGHBORS, AND WE HAVE SUPPORTED
YOUR BUSINESS FOR YEARS.
YOU ARE PRESENTED WITH A PLAN THAT ALLOW YOU TO GET READY

AND PREPARE YOURSELF.
THIS IS A LUXURY.
DO YOU KNOW WHO DOES NOT HAVE THE LUXURY?
YOU'LL HAVE DISTRESS.
DO YOU KNOW WHO IS IN DISTRESS NOW, YOUR CUSTOMERS, YOUR
NEIGHBORS.
NEXT YEAR AND EVERY YEAR UNTIL THE CITY DOES SOMETHING.
I HEAR PEOPLE ACCUSING THE ENGINEERS OF NEGLIGENCE BECAUSE
THEY DID NOT CONDUCT AN ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY FOR THE LOSS
OF BUSINESSES.
TO THESE PEOPLE, I SAY THAT STOPPING THIS PROJECT TODAY IS
NOT AN ACT OF NEGLIGENCE, BUT AN ACT OF CRUELTY AGAINST YOUR
CLIENT, YOUR NEIGHBORS, YOUR FRIENDS, AND YOUR VOTERS.
PLEASE STOP TO SAY THAT THIS PLAN IS -- YOUR INTEREST AND
AGENDA.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PHYSICS AND GRAVITY.
WATER NEEDS TO BE MOVED FROM POINT A TO POINT B AND TO AVOID
CLOGGING WITH LESS TURNS AS POSSIBLE.
I HEARD MR. COLLIER SAYING THAT WE HAVE TECHNOLOGY TO BUILD
MANY 90-DEGREE TURNS TO AVOID HOWARD.
I WILL SAY TO HIM, IF YOU NOTICE THAT IN YOUR HOUSE, ALL THE
PLUMBING IS STRAIGHT.
THERE IS A REASON WHY.
I'M ITALIAN.
I WAS LIVING IN ROME WHERE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW BUILDING THE

SECOND LINE OF THE SUBWAY.
THE ENTIRE CITY WILL BE IN DISTRESS.
BUSINESSES AND CITIES FOR THE NEXT 10, 15 YEARS.
PLEASE DO NOT USE YOUR MEDIAN WITH FEW TREES AS WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT HERITAGE TO BE PRESERVED.
PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING.
DO NOT TELL ME THAT DAMAGE FROM THE SHAKING THAT WILL BE
DONE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
11:52:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
JORDAN WARSHAUSKY.
GAMINE ZACHARIAS.
11:52:21AM >> MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
MARY LOU BAILEY COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY, BUT PLEASE READ THE
E-MAIL SHE SENT YOU.
I WOULD LIKE ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT STORMS TO BE
TRANSLATED TO INCHES.
WHEN THEY SAY MEAN ANNUAL PEAK STAGE, AVERAGE ANNUAL STORM
EVENT, FIVE-YEAR, HUNDRED-YEAR, 300-YEAR STORM.
ENGINEERS UNDERSTAND IT BUT LAY PEOPLE DON'T.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY INCHES THIS IS.
WE NEED TO KNOW HOW MANY INCHES OF RAIN THIS PROJECT WILL
HANDLE.
HOW MANY INCHES WILL OVERWHELM IT.

I REPEAT, HOW MANY INCHES WILL OVERWHELM THIS PROJECT?
WILL THIS SYSTEM WORK?
THE POLICY -- 36 INCHES.
WE WERE TOLD YET TO BE DETERMINED IF 36-INCH PIPES ARE
ADEQUATE.
IT SEEMS PRETTY OBVIOUS TO ME THAT WE DO KNOW THEY ARE NOT
ADEQUATE, YET THERE ARE NO PLANS TO DO ANYTHING NORTH OF
SWANN.
AT MONDAY'S MEETING THEY SAID MAYBE THE PALMA CEIA PALMS
PIPES WILL BE REPLACED WITH THIS PROJECT AND MAYBE THEY
WON'T.
BUT THEY SAID IT DEFINITELY ISN'T PART OF THE PLAN OR THE
PRICE.
I ALSO LEARNED ON MONDAY THAT PALMA CEIA PINES DRAINS
THROUGH THREE DIFFERENT BASINS, NOT JUST THROUGH PARKLAND
ESTATES.
SO HOW MUCH WILL IT ACTUALLY HELP PALMA CEIA PINES IF
PARKLAND ESTATES FLOODING IS IMPROVED?
THEY WON'T GUARANTEE IT WILL HELP AT ALL.
THEY JUST HOPE IT WILL.
IF WE'RE BEING HONEST, THIS IS THE PLAN FOR NORTH OF SWANN.
THEY HAVEN'T EVEN TOLD US HOW MUCH THEY HOPE IT WILL HELP.
IF IT DOES VERY LITTLE, THEY WILL SAY WE DIDN'T GUARANTEE IT
WOULD HELP.
WE JUST HOPED IT WOULD.

I AM VERY CONCERNED THEY ARE GIVING PALMA CEIA PINES FALSE
HOPE AND PALMA CEIA PINES PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT.
THEY SAID NOTHING COULD BE DONE FOR PALMA CEIA PINES UNTIL
THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN IS COMPLETED AND THEY MUST MODEL
IT BEFORE THEY CAN EVEN PROPOSE A PLAN.
THAT MEANS THERE WON'T EVEN BE A PROPOSAL FOR NATURAL OF
SWANN FOR YEARS AND WORK WON'T BE FINISHED UNTIL YEARS AFTER
THAT.
DO YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE VOTING ON TODAY?
THEY TOLD US ON MONDAY THAT THE MAXIMUM GUARANTEED PRICE
WON'T BE DETERMINED UNTIL THE DESIGN PHASE IS OVER, WHICH IS
10 TO 12 MONTHS.
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO IN A YEAR IF THE MAXIMUM GUARANTEED
PRICE IS SKY HIGH?
YOU'LL ALREADY BE DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE.
IS THE ROUTE DETERMINED OR NOT?
IS IT JUST THE DOTTED LINE THAT'S UNDECIDED OR IS THE WHOLE
ROUTE UNDECIDED?
WILL CITY COUNCIL PICK THE ROUTE?
WILL STAFF PICK THE ROUTE?
WILL KIMMINS PICK THE ROUTE?
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE VOTING ON.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WILL ACCOMPLISH.
YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH HARM IT WILL DO OR HOW MUCH IT WILL
COST.

YOU HAVE NO GUARANTEE FOR CITY COUNCIL INPUT OR CONTROL.
YOU NEED THESE ANSWERS.
SOMETHING MUST BE DONE ABOUT THIS CATASTROPHIC FLOODING, BUT
IT MUST BE THE BEST THING FOR EVERYONE.
MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE VOTING ON THE BEST PLAN AND THAT IT
DOES ENOUGH.
THANK YOU.
11:55:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
JORDAN.
GAMINE ZACHARIAS.
GRETA.
GOOD MORNING, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:55:33AM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
JORDAN WARSHAUSKY.
REPRESENT CICCIO RESTAURANT GROUP.
WORKED ON SOUTH HOWARD AVENUE EXCLUSIVELY SINCE APRIL OF
2004.
NOT HERE TO REFUTE ENGINEERING, CHALLENGE THE COUNCIL OR
DIMINISH THE PAIN AND LOSS OF OUR NEIGHBORS.
IT IS REAL, AND THEY REQUIRE REAL RELIEF.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT THAT I
BELIEVE IS LACKING IN THE DESIGN-BUILD PROPOSAL THAT SITS
BEFORE YOU.
ONE, TRANSPORTATION.

ONE OF OUR AVERAGE UNITS REQUIRES 15 TO 20 SEMI TRAILERS OR
CARGO BOX TRUCKS A WEEK.
NOT EVERY SINGLE ESTABLISHMENT HAS THE ARTERIAL SIDE STREETS
THAT CAN HANDLE THAT TYPE OF COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC.
YOU WOULD BE STARVING US OF THE VERY PRODUCT WE SELL.
TWO, SOLID WASTE.
OUR AVERAGE UNIT REQUIRES 8 CUBIC YARDS OF TRASH TO BE
REMOVED SIX TIMES A WEEK.
THREE TIMES A WEEK WE HAVE EIGHT CUBIC YARDS OF PAPER
RECYCLABLES REMOVED.
EVERY 21 TO 28 DAYS WE HAVE 2,000 POUNDS OF SOLID GREASE
PUMPED AND REMOVED.
MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT.
TALLAHASSEE AND THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH WILL SHUT US DOWN
IF THAT CADENCE IS INTERRUPTED.
FULL STOP.
THOSE ARE SOME OF THE FACTS THAT ARE MISSING.
FINALLY, FIRST RESPONDERS.
UNFORTUNATELY CRG, MICHAEL STEWART AT 717 AND SOME OF OUR
NEIGHBORS KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE TO HAVE A FIRE LOSS.
FIRE LOSS IS PREVENTED BY IMMEDIATE AND RAPID RESPONSE,
REDUCED ACCESS OR EVEN RESTRICTED ACCESS CAN TAKE A SINGLE
STRUCTURE TO MULTIPLE STRUCTURES OR GOD FORBID EVEN WORSE.
AT RESTAURANTS, WE EXPERIENCE ANAPHYLAXIS, CARDIAC EVENTS,
SLIP AND FALLS WITH HEAD TRAUMA.

IN THOSE INSTANCES, E.M.S. RESPONSE, MINUTES AND SECONDS ARE
ACTUALLY LIFE AND DEATH.
I AM NOT ASKING FOR THIS PROJECT TO BE TABLED, TO BE
REMOVED.
WHAT I AM ASKING FOR IS HONEST ANSWERS TO THESE LOGISTICAL
CHALLENGES.
WHAT WE NEED IS RELIEF FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND OUR
COMMUNITIES, BUT NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF CONDEMNING A VITAL
AND THRIVING BUSINESS DISTRICT.
PLEASE, I IMPLORE YOU, DO NOT LET THAT BE THE LEGACY OF THIS
PROJECT NOR THE LEGACY OF THIS COUNCIL.
THANK YOU.
11:58:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
GAMIN ZACHARIAS.
GRETA BROOKS.
ALLISON BURNS.
GOOD MORNING.
11:58:25AM >> HELLO.
GAMIN ZACHARIAS.
MY NAME IS GAMIN.
I SPOKE TO THE COUNCIL BACK IN JUNE ABOUT MY CONCERNS
REGARDING THIS FLOOD PROJECT, SPECIFICALLY WHY IT SHOULD NOT
GO THROUGH A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE ARE LOTS OF REASONS I CARE ABOUT THIS.
I DON'T THINK OUR HUNDRED-YEAR-OLD HOMES CAN HANDLE THE

INTENSITY OF THE VIBRATIONS FROM THE EXCAVATION DESPITE ANY
PROMISES, REAL-TIME MONITORING, WE'LL KNOW IN THE MOMENT
THAT DAMAGE IS HAPPENING.
I'M ALSO VERY CONCERNED ABOUT OUR TREE CANOPY, NOT JUST
MINE, BUT THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S PART OF THE REASON I SERVE AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE
PARKLAND ESTATES GARDEN CLUB.
IN THE CITY OF TAMPA TREE CANOPY AND URBAN FOREST ANALYSIS
OF 2021, IT WAS NOTED THAT CANOPY LOSS SINCE 2011 IS FOUR
TIMES THE AREA OF DAVIS ISLANDS AND THAT CURRENTLY THE
CANOPY IN SOUTH AND CENTRAL TAMPA IS AT A 20-YEAR LOW.
THAT WAS IN 2021, CONSIDERING THAT WE JUST LOST THOUSANDS OF
TREES THIS HURRICANE SEASON, THAT CANOPY LOSS HAS INCREASED
SIGNIFICANTLY.
PARKLAND ESTATES IS ONE OF THE MOST DENSELY CANOPIED AREAS
OF THE CITY.
MY BLOCK OF BRISTOL AVENUE ALONE HAS 55 TREES, 40 OF THOSE
ARE LIVE OAKS.
IF THEY ARE ALL REMOVED AND NEW ONES PLANTED, IT WILL TAKE
DECADES TO RECOVER THE CANOPY.
I'LL BE DEAD BY THEN AS WILL MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS.
WHEN I SPOKE TO COUNCIL BACK IN JUNE ABOUT THE DESTRUCTIVE
LONG-TERM IMPACTS OF THE PROJECT ON RESIDENTIAL ROADS, I WAS
VERY RELIEVED TO HEAR THAT OUR CONCERNS HAD BEEN HEARD.
THAT DAY IT WAS NOTED THAT, QUOTE, THEIR IDEA OF GOING

THROUGH BRISTOL IS OFF THE TABLE.
THAT IS A PARK-LIKE STREET.
THERE WAS A MOTION, QUOTE THAT THE CITY ELIMINATE THE IDEA
OF USING BRISTOL AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THESE VAULTS AND TO
BYPASS THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AS THEY WORK TO RESOLVE THE
FLOODING ISSUE USING THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS, END OF QUOTE.
AND AS COUNCIL, WE WOULD NOT VOTE FOR A PLAN OR FUNDING TO
GO BEHIND IT THAT PUTS IT ON BRISTOL.
THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT WAS THEN TASKED WITH COMING BACK
WITH A WRITTEN REPORT BY SEPTEMBER 5 THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE
BRISTOL.
YOU CAN IMAGINE HOW IT FELT TO SIT AT THAT MEETING ON MONDAY
NIGHT AND SEEING A MAP STILL PLAINLY SHOWING BRISTOL AS ONE
OF THE ROUTE OPTIONS, ALONG WITH OTHER RESIDENTIAL STREETS
LIKE LAKEVIEW AND MORRISON.
THIS COMPLETELY DISREGARDS COUNCIL'S DIRECTIVE FROM THE JUNE
MEETING.
THE RECENT ONE IN A HUNDRED-YEAR RAINFALL EVENT DOESN'T
CHANGE OUR ARGUMENTS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THE INAPPROPRIATENESS
OF THIS SOLUTION FOR A RESIDENTIAL STREET.
I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN CLOSING
REMARKS ON THIS MATTER.
QUOTE, THE FLOODING IS REAL.
WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A RESOLUTION BUT THE RESOLUTION HAS TO BE
THE RIGHT RESOLUTION.

PLEASE VOTE NO TODAY TO TAKE THE TIME TO GET THIS RIGHT.
CLEARLY FROM WHAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM EVERYONE, THERE ARE
SERIOUS ISSUES TO ADDRESS BEFORE THIS PROCEEDS AND OUR
NEIGHBORHOOD IS AT STAKE.
THANK YOU.
12:01:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
GRETA BROOKS.
ALLISON BURNS.
NICHOLAS LORENZ.
12:01:29PM >> GOOD MORNING.
GRETA BROOKS.
I HAVE LIVED ON BRISTOL AVENUE FOR OVER 25 YEARS.
I KNOW I DON'T LOOK IT.
BUT --
MY HOME IS NEARLY 100 YEARS OLD, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU
LETTING ME COME UP HERE AND SPEAK TODAY.
I'M URGING YOU NOT TO MOVE THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF
PROJECT INTO THE DESIGN PHASE AT THIS TIME.
THIS PROJECT IS ONE OF THE MOST EXPENSIVE AND COMPLEX
STORMWATER INITIATIVES OUR CITY HAS EVER UNDERTAKEN AND THE
RISKS ARE IMMENSE.
YET THESE RISKS HAVE BEEN INADEQUATELY EXPLORED AND
COMMUNITY CONCERNS, MANY OF THEM LIFE-ALTERING, HAVE BEEN
REPEATEDLY DISMISSED.
FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE NO ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY FOR THE MAJOR

COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR BECAUSE, AS STATED AT MONDAY'S MEETINGS
AND EARLIER TODAY, IT'S NOT DONE FOR STORMWATER PROJECTS.
WHY NOT?
WHY ARE STORMWATER ENGINEERS MAKING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
DECISIONS?
RESIDENTS WERE TOLD ON MONDAY THAT HOMES WERE NOT DAMAGED BY
KIMMINS DURING THE LAST PROJECTS THAT THEY HAVE DONE, YET
MANY HOMEOWNERS SAY THAT THEY WERE DAMAGED, EXCEPT THEIR
DAMAGE CLAIMS WERE DENIED.
WE'RE ASSURED THIS PROJECT WOULD BENEFIT THE ENTIRE
WATERSHED BUT ONLY FOUR OF THE 259 ACRES IN THE WATERSHED
HAVE BEEN MODELED.
NONE OF THE ACRES INCLUDING PALMA CEIA PINES, AN AREA BOTH
CONTRIBUTING TO THE FLOODING AND SUFFERING FROM IT.
BY THE WAY, THE MODEL SHOWS THERE WILL STILL BE UP TO 2.3
FEET OF FLOODING ALONG SWANN.
SO THIS PLAN DOESN'T EVEN FIX THAT PROBLEM.
EVEN CITY COUNCIL DIRECTIVES HAVE BEEN DISREGARDED.
UNANIMOUSLY VOTED AGAINST FUNDING ANY PLAN ON BRISTOL
AVENUE, YET TODAY BEING ASKED TO APPROVE A PROPOSAL THAT
PAYS FOR A STUDY FOR OUR ROUTE DOWN BRISTOL AVENUE.
YOU GAVE CITY STAFF FIVE MONTHS, FIVE MONTHS TO COME UP WITH
A NEW PLAN AND FRESH THINKING.
YET NOVEMBER 7, MR. BHIDE APPEARED BEFORE YOU WITH NO NEW
THINKING OR EVEN COMMUNITY OUTREACH.

SO NOW YOU SEE INDEPENDENT ENGINEERS BEING BROUGHT IN TO
MOVE THIS ALONG.
THE COMMUNITY WAS NOT AFFORDED THEIR DUE PROCESS.
WE EXPECTED EFFORT WAS BEING MADE TOWARD SO MANY KNOWN
ISSUES BUT IT WASN'T.
MAJOR ISSUES HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED BY THE COMMUNITY SINCE
JANUARY, BUT THE CITY HAS FAILED TO CONNECT EVEN BASIC
ANALYSIS TO ADDRESS KNOWN RISKS TO THE COMMUNITY.
WHY MUST WE SPEND $7 MILLION FOR A DESIGN CONTRACT TO GET
THIS VERY BASIC INFORMATION THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE ALREADY
HAD?
FOR TWO YEARS, CITY STAFF HAD DATA FROM JMT SHOWING THAT A
BROKEN RETENTION POND PUMP ON ALBANY AVENUE AND POOR ROAD
MILLING IN PALMA CEIA PINES ARE SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTORS TO
PARKLAND'S FLOODING, YET THEY MADE NO EFFORT TO FIX THESE
IMMEDIATE ISSUES, CLAIMING NO SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS ARE
POSSIBLE.
BUT THEY HAVE ONE.
WHY APPROVE A $7 MILLION DESIGN CONTRACT TODAY THAT DOESN'T
INCLUDE IN ITS SCOPE ANY INVESTIGATION OF ALTERNATIVES LIKE
THE ONES THE INDEPENDENT ENGINEERS MENTIONED TODAY AND
SCOPED PREMATURELY FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN YOU HEARD
ABOUT FROM THE COMMISSIONERS TODAY.
AS COUNCIL MEMBERS, IT IS YOUR FIDUCIARY DUTY TO ENSURE
TAXPAYER DOLLARS ARE SPENT WISELY, UNLIKE THE CURRENT

ADMINISTRATION, MANY OF THE STAFF WILL BE IN OFFICE AS THIS
PROJECT UNFOLDS.
12:04:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:04:37PM >> THANK YOU.
12:04:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALLISON BURNS.
NICHOLAS LORENZ.
MS. STEPHANIE POYNOR.
GOOD MORNING, MA'AM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:04:45PM >> MY NAME IS ALLISON BURNS.
I WORK FOR BERN'S STEAK HOUSE.
ACTUALLY NO RELATION.
MINE IS B-U-R-N-S.
BUT I HAVE WORKED THERE NOW FOR 17 YEARS.
IT'S ACTUALLY THE FIRST JOB THAT I GOT ONCE I GRADUATED FROM
COLLEGE.
IT TOOK ME ABOUT TWO YEARS TO ACTUALLY GET BEHIND THE BAR
AND BECOME THE SECOND FEMALE BARTENDER TO BE TAKING CARE OF
GUESTS AND SERVING FULL ENTREES.
IT WASN'T UNTIL LAST YEAR THAT I WAS ABLE TO START SERVING
TABLES AFTER THEY ACTUALLY ALLOWED THE TABLES IN THE LOUNGE
TO BE SERVED BECAUSE THEY CLOSED IT DOWN AND NOW WE'RE ABLE
TO DO FULL DINNER SERVICE.
SO IT'S TAKEN ME 17 YEARS, 16 YEARS TO BECOME A SERVER.
AND TO SEE THAT THERE COULD BE A THREAT TO THE ABILITY FOR

THE WAY THAT I'VE BUILT MY ENTIRE LIFE, MY CAREER TO SERVE
PEOPLE BECAUSE OF ROAD CLOSURES IS A LITTLE TERRIFYING.
I AM ALSO THE ALLISON THAT KHADEEM MENTIONED BEFORE THAT HAS
A LITTLE BABY BOY AT HOME WHO IS THE NEW LIGHT OF MY LIFE.
IT'S ALSO CONCERNING THAT MY INCOME MIGHT BE AFFECTING THIS
NEW VENTURE THAT I HAVE RAISING THE BEST BABY EVER.
MORTIMER BURNS.
HE'S AMAZING.
I JUST WANTED TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT A FACE TO ALL
OF THE EMPLOYEES THAT YOU MIGHT BE THINKING OF WHEN YOU HEAR
ABOUT ACTUAL PEOPLE ON HOWARD AVENUE THAT WE HAVE FAMILIES,
AND THAT WE'RE TRYING AND WORKING REALLY HARD TO SUPPORT
THEM AND THAT WHILE SOME PEOPLE MIGHT THINK THEY CAN GO AND
APPLY TO ANOTHER JOB AT THE STEAK HOUSE, IT IS A CAREER.
YOU'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO ALL OF A SUDDEN START TO HAVE TO
PLAN A DIFFERENT CAREER.
SO I WOULD JUST ASK TO MAYBE CHOOSE A DIFFERENT ROUTE
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT FLOODING IS AN ISSUE.
I DEAL WITH IT.
THANK YOU.
12:07:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NICHOLAS LORENZ.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
JENNIFER FERNANDEZ.
GOOD MORNING, SIR.

12:07:09PM >> I HAD THIS WRITTEN FOR GOOD MORNING, BUT IT'S CLEARLY
AFTERNOON.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS NICHOLAS LORENZ.
I WORK AT BERN'S STEAK HOUSE.
I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO IMAGINE 300 COLLEAGUES STANDING
BESIDE ME AND THEIR RESPECTIVE FAMILIES.
MOST OF THEM LIVE PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK.
A FEW WEEKS OR A FEW MONTHS WITHOUT WORK WOULD BE
CATASTROPHIC TO THESE FAMILIES AND TO MYSELF.
BUT THIS IS A HOPEFUL TIME FRAME.
THIS IS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED.
ANYONE WHO IS REALLY OBSERVANT OF GOVERNMENT WORKS KNOWS
THIS TYPE OF PROJECT ENDS UP TAKING TWICE AS LONG AND
COSTING TWICE AS MUCH.
NOW, WE SYMPATHIZE WITH THE NEIGHBORS AT PARKLAND ESTATES.
MANY OF THE RESIDENTS ARE REGULARS AND ARE CONSIDERED
FAMILY.
WE CAN RELATE TO THEIR EXPERIENCE.
A NUMBER OF MY COLLEAGUES LOST THEIR HOMES.
THEY FLOODED.
AND MOST OF THEIR POSSESSIONS AS WELL.
THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE TRYING TO REBUILD RIGHT NOW, AND
SHOULD THIS PLAN GO FORTH AS SET, THEY WILL BE JOBLESS WHILE
TRY TO PUT THEIR LIVES TOGETHER.

PLEASE TAKE A REASONABLE APPROACH AND REVIEW OTHER AVENUES
TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONSIDERATION.
12:08:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MRS. STEPHANIE POYNOR.
JENNIFER FERNANDEZ.
AND MAEGEN LUKA.
12:08:34PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
THE BIG FISH HERE, IN MY OPINION, YOU-ALL KNOW I'M CHEAP.
I AM AS CHEAP AS THEY COME.
I COME UP HERE AND SCREAM BLOODY MURDER ABOUT WHAT I THINK
IS WASTEFUL SPENDING.
IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, MAYBE WE HAVE TO SPEND MORE MONEY,
BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYTHING IS BUILT ON THIS LITTLE
PIECE OF LAND RIGHT HERE.
THERE'S ALREADY A FIVE BY TEN CULVERT UNDERNEATH IT.
WHY IS IT ALREADY THERE?
ALREADY MOVING MONEY?
I DON'T KNOW.
I JUST HANG OUT HERE.
I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING.
THESE QUESTIONS HAVE TO BE ANSWERED BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME
LIKE THE DESCRIPTION AND I JUST TALKED TO CHIEF BENNETT
ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT AGO, THIS SEEMS TO BE SET IN STONE

AND THIS IS OPTIONAL.
YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M GOING TO POINT OUT TO YOU THAT THE
MacDILL 48 PLAN WAS APPROVED AT THE SAME TIME THIS ONE
WAS.
AND IT WAS A GREAT PLAN.
IT WOULD HAVE WORKED EITHER WAY.
BUT BY GIVING CITIZEN INPUT, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PARK WITH A
BEAUTIFUL POND IN A BEAUTIFUL AREA, NOT JUST A CEMENT POND.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THAT PEOPLE HAVE SET IT IN STONE THAT THIS
IS THE WAY IT'S GOING TO BE.
BUT YOU REALLY HAVE TO ASK YOURSELVES, WHAT ARE YOU VOTING
ON?
ARE YOU VOTING ON THE ROUTE?
ARE YOU VOTING ON ALL OF THE ROUTE?
THAT ON MONDAY NIGHT, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.
IF I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, NOBODY DOES.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMEBODY EXPLAIN WHY GOING STRAIGHT DOWN
SWANN AFTER MR. BHIDE AND SEVERAL OF THE OTHER ENGINEERS ON
MONDAY NIGHT SAYS THAT WATER DOESN'T TURN WELL.
OKAY.
LET'S NOT MAKE IT TURN.
HOW MUCH WATER WILL THIS PROPOSAL DISPERSE?
I SIMPLIFIED SOME OF CARROLL ANN'S QUESTIONS.
FUNNY, WE SIT THERE AND THINK THE SAME THINGS.
I'LL TELL YOU THIS, WHEN SOMEBODY CALLS ME AND SAYS MY

FIVE-YEAR-OLD DISHWASHER IS NOT WORKING PROPERLY, YOU KNOW
WHAT I TELL THEM?
BUY A NEW ONE.
DON'T FIX THE OLD ONE.
IT IS A CRAP PLAN.
YOU'LL WASTE MONEY AND END UP HAVING TO FIX IT AGAIN LATER.
GUESS WHAT, THIS PROJECT KIND OF REMINDS ME OF THAT.
IT'S BEEN SITTING ON THE BACK BURNER FOR THE LAST THREE
YEARS, AND WE'VE SEEN THINGS ARE DIFFERENT NOW.
I THINK THAT THIS PROJECT RIGHT HERE IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE
WHY PUBLIC INPUT IS NECESSARY EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU DEVELOP
SOMETHING.
YOU KNOW WHY?
BECAUSE THERE WERE ALL THESE PEOPLE HERE WHO SPOKE TODAY,
THAT IT WON'T DO CRAP FOR THEIR FLOODING.
IT WON'T DO ANYTHING FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ON THAT
ROUTE.
SO HOW CAN WE -- I KNOW PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED.
THEY ARE SO, SO FRUSTRATED.
BUT IF THIS DOESN'T DO ANYTHING FOR THEM, IT'S USELESS.
WE'RE SPENDING $64 MILLION.
MAYBE WE NEED TO SPEND MORE MONEY ON THE PROJECT AND DO IT
RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.
12:11:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
JENNIFER FERNANDEZ.

MAEGEN LUKA.
KIRA JEFFERSON OR KIRA JEFFERSON.
GOOD AFTERNOON.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:11:52PM >> HI.
JENNIFER FERNANDEZ.
AM MY HUSBAND, FRANK FERNANDEZ, WE OWN TWO BUSINESSES AND
ONE BUILDING.
2503 WEST SWANN, CORNER OF SWANN AND AZEELE.
WE OWN OUR LAW FIRM, WHICH EMPLOYS SIX PEOPLE.
BUT WE ALSO JOIN TAMPA EXECUTIVE SUITES, THE WHOLE
8,000-SQUARE-FOOT BUILDING.
THAT ENTITY HAS A TOTAL OF TEN BUSINESSES THAT OPERATE OUT
OF OUR BUILDING WITH DOZENS OF EMPLOYEES.
WE HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY DISPLACED FOR TWO MONTHS NOW FROM
MILTON BECAUSE OF THE FAILURE OF THE STORMWATER DRAINS, EVEN
THOUGH WE ARE, I THINK, 18 FEET ELEVATION.
ALL 8,000 SQUARE FEET FLOODED.
WE HAD TO RIP OUT ALL THE CARPET.
WE HAD TO CALL OUR TENANTS THE DAY AFTER THE STORM AND SAY
COME GET YOUR THINGS OUT OF THE BUSINESSES.
WE HAVE A MEMORABILIA COLLECTOR AND SALESMAN.
HIS OFFICES WERE COMPLETELY PACKED WITH INVENTORY.
WE HAD TO HAVE THEM COME THERE ON THE WEEKEND AND SAY PLEASE
COME GET YOUR STUFF.

WE'VE GOT TO START RIPPING OUT CARPET TOMORROW.
WE'RE WIRING MONEY TO SERVE PRO TO COME IN THERE BEFORE THE
MOLD STARTS AND BEFORE ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN
FLOODED WILL BE IMPACTED.
WE'RE STILL OUT OF THE BUSINESS.
WE'LL BE BACK IN HOPEFULLY NEXT WEEK AFTER ALL OF THESE
PEOPLE, ALL OF THESE DOZENS OF PEOPLE AND TEN BUSINESSES IN
TOTAL HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO WORK, COMPLETELY DISPLACED FOR TWO
MONTHS.
IT'S NOT FAIR TO THEM.
I TRULY, TRULY SYMPATHIZE WITH THE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE HERE
AND ARE FEARFUL OF WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS IF WE MOVE FORWARD
WITH THIS PROJECT, WHICH I URGE YOU TO DO.
I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN, BUT LIKE DR. ABDONEY DURING THE
COVID SHUTDOWN AND THE PAST TWO MONTHS, WE'VE CONTINUED TO
PAY OUR EMPLOYEES.
THAT'S WHAT YOU DO.
YOU WORK AROUND IT.
AND WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
THE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE IMPACTED, I'M ASKING THE COUNCIL,
DON'T TAKE YOUR EYE OFF OF WHAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED TO THE
RESIDENTS AND THE BUSINESSES WHO HAVE BEEN SHUT DOWN FOR TWO
MONTHS BECAUSE OF THIS PARADE OF POTENTIAL HORRIBLES THAT
MIGHT HAPPEN AND LIKELY WILL NOT HAPPEN TO THE EXTENT THEY
ARE BEING EXAGGERATED TODAY FOR THE PURPOSE OF ASKING FOR

YET ANOTHER DELAY AND SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS
AND READY TO BE FUNDED FOREVER.
PLEASE, I URGE YOU TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT SO WE DON'T
CONTINUE TO HAVE SUCH A TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON OUR BUILDINGS.
THANK YOU.
12:14:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MAEGEN LUKA.
KIRA JEFFERSON.
MENTESNOT.
12:14:43PM >> MAEGEN LUKA.
I ASK THAT YOU TURN ON THE OVERHEAD, PLEASE.
IF THIS IS WHAT HOWARD AVENUE LOOKED LIKE TEN TIMES A YEAR,
IF BERN'S AND THE EPICUREAN HAD ALMOST TWO FEET OF SEWAGE
WATER FLOOD THEIR BUSINESSES SO THEY RIPPED EVERYTHING DOWN
TO THE STUDS, THREW AWAY EVERY PIECE OF KITCHEN EQUIPMENT
AND CLOSED FOR MONTHS WHILE SPENDING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
OF DOLLARS TO REBUILD WITHOUT ANY KIND OF WARNING THAT THAT
FINANCIAL IMPACT WAS COMING, IT WOULDN'T TAKE THIS CITY
COUNCIL NINE YEARS TO START A PROJECT TO HELP THEM.
THE SUGGESTION THAT THIS PROJECT SHOULD BE DELAYED BECAUSE
OTHER REMEDIES ARE AVAILABLE IS NOT SUPPORTED.
YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THAT EVIDENCE.
IN FACT, IF YOU GO TALK TO THE CITY ENGINEERS, BECAUSE I
ASKED YESTERDAY, HOW MUCH ACREAGE WOULD YOU NEED FOR A
RETENTION POND FOR JUST A SUMMER STORM?

THEY SAID FIVE ACRES.
PARKLAND ESTATES, AVERAGE LOT IS .2 ACRES.
THAT MEANS YOU NEED 25 NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE IN A ROW ALL
AROUND EACH OTHER TO BE WILLING TO SELL THEIR HOMES AT CITY
PRICES IN ORDER TO CREATE LAND.
THAT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.
THE REQUEST FOR 120-DAY PAUSE BEING MADE ON THE DAY YOU WERE
ASKED TO VOTE IS INFURIATING.
THIS THING HAS BEEN GOING ON.
YOU HEARD SINCE AT LEAST JUNE, WHERE WERE THOSE OFFERS THEN?
THE DELAY IS UNACCEPTABLE.
AND MORE TO THE POINT, TODAY IS NOT ABOUT PICKING A ROUTE.
THE CITY INPUT, THE BUSINESSES, THE HOMEOWNERS, THEY CAN
PROVIDE THAT.
KIMMINS HAS PROMISED THEY WANT TO HEAR IT.
NO ROUTE HAS BEEN CHOSEN.
WHAT YOU ARE VOTING TO APPROVE IS A CONTRACT TO ALLOW ATKINS
THE ENGINEER AND KIMMINS THE CONTRACTOR TO COLLABORATE WITH
EACH OTHER TO PICK THE BEST ROUTE BASED ON INPUT.
WHAT YOU ARE VOTING ON TODAY IS SIMPLY TO MOVE FORWARD.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADDRESS THE LETTER THAT WAS WRITTEN BY
A LAW FIRM LAST NIGHT TO TRY TO THREATEN LEGAL ACTION
AGAINST YOU.
IF THERE WAS A WAY AROUND SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY FOR A PLANNING
DECISION, I WOULD LEAD THE CHARGE OF THE 250 HOMEOWNERS AND

BUSINESSES THAT FLOODED, BUT THERE'S NOT.
AND THE ATTORNEY WHO WROTE THAT KNOWS BETTER.
ALL OF THIS IS A CIRCUS SIDE SHOW.
LIKE I SAID, WHAT YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE TODAY,
PLEASE, STAY FOCUSED ON THE NARROW ITEM.
IT IS AN INITIAL SERVICES CONTRACT IN THE AMOUNT OF
$7.7 MILLION.
THE ROUTE HAS NOT BEEN CHOSEN.
ALLOW THE INPUT.
BUT, PLEASE, IF YOU APPROVE THIS PROJECT TODAY, IT WILL NOT
BE COMPLETED UNTIL 2029, WHICH MEANS ALL OF US IN THESE
WHITE SHIRTS WILL HOLD OUR BREATH FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS
EVERY TIME IT RAINS.
WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER DAY, LET ALONE THE MONTHS
THAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING YOU TO WAIT TO GIVE YOU INFORMATION
THAT THEY COULD HAVE GIVEN YOU FOR THE LAST NINE YEARS.
I WOULD ASK THAT YOU PLEASE APPROVE THE CONTRACT SO THAT THE
ENGINEERS AND KIMMINS CAN GET TO WORK.
THANK YOU.
12:17:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
KIRA JEFFERSON.
MENTESNOT.
GOOD AFTERNOON.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:17:49PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

I'M KIRA JEFFERSON.
I'M WITH BERN'S.
BERN'S FINE WINE AND SPIRITS AND HAVEN.
WORKED WITH THE COMPANY FOR OVER 20 YEARS NOW.
GROWN MY CAREER IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
COMMUTED TO SOUTH TAMPA.
I'M ALSO -- MY HUSBAND AND I OWN SEVERAL PROPERTIES ACROSS
THE CITY AND HAVE BEEN VERY MUCH IMPACTED BY THE RECENT
STORMS AND OVER THE YEARS BY THE STORMS, BOTH AT WORK AND IN
OUR RENTALS.
WE LOST TWO HOMES.
ONE COMPLETELY TO HELENE AND ONE COMPLETELY TO MILTON.
TO THINK THAT THERE'S NOT SYMPATHY AND CONCERN FOR OUR
NEIGHBORS, IT'S JUST REALLY GUT WRENCHING TO HEAR THE
FRUSTRATION AND FEAR AND HATRED THAT'S COMING TOWARDS THE
ESTABLISHMENTS.
IT'S NOT THAT WE WANT TO STOP PROGRESS AND GROWTH IN OUR
NEIGHBORHOOD TOO.
WE WANT A VOICE FOR THE INDIVIDUALS COMMUTING THERE AND LIVE
IN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS AND HAVE EXPERIENCED LOSS AS WELL.
I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR 293 INDIVIDUALS AND THEIR LIVELIHOOD
EVERY DAY.
I'M THE 294th EMPLOYEE AT BERN'S.
THAT'S HOW MANY PEOPLE TRANSFER IN.
122 OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS WORK ON GRATUITIES.

THERE IS NO PAYING THEM WHILE WORK IS OUT OR BUSINESS VOLUME
IS DIMINISHED.
THAT IS AN OPTION FOR SMALLER BUSINESSES ON HOWARD AND I
UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT I'VE BEEN THROUGH COVID AND THE LAYOFFS.
AND WITHOUT THOSE MONIES COMING IN, THERE ARE NO MONIES TO
PROVIDE TO GO OUT AS A BUSINESS.
THAT'S ASKING MORE THAN I THINK THEY UNDERSTAND IS EVEN
POSSIBLE.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS I HOPE TO POINT ON IF I
HAVE TIME.
THERE HASN'T BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THIS IMPACTS PAST THE
CONSTRUCTION PHASE.
THERE'S NOT AN IMMEDIATE REVIVAL OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY ESTABLISHED NEW REGULAR PLACES TO VISIT,
NEW REGULAR PEOPLE TO SEE.
THEY ARE GOING TO OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS NOW.
AND WE'VE LOST IRREPLACEABLE EMPLOYEES.
WE HAVE A 40-YEAR TENURED PASTRY COOK IN OUR KITCHEN.
SHE IS EITHER GOING TO CHOOSE TO RETIRE BECAUSE SHE HAS NO
CHOICE, BUT SHE'S NOT GOING TO GO FIND ANOTHER JOB THAT'S
SIMILAR.
AND IF SHE DOES, SHE WILL UNFORTUNATELY NOT COME BACK.
THESE PEOPLE WITH THE HISTORY AND THE NUANCES OF THE
PRODUCTS WE PROVIDE, MR. LAXER WAS COMPLETELY RESPONSIBLE IN

ASKING ABOUT HIS WINE COLLECTION.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES US SPECIAL, MAKES SOUTH
HOWARD SPECIAL, AND MAKES THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIAL.
IT'S JUST ONE OF THEM.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SAY IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN PEOPLE'S
HOMES, BUT WE WANT TO BE HEARD, THE 294 INDIVIDUALS THAT
DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS WE NEED.
12:20:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:20:56PM >> THANK YOU.
12:20:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MENTESNOT.
GREG CAMPBELL.
MATTHEW RICH.
GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:21:04PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
MENTESNOT.
SAY UHURU, MEANS FREEDOM IN SWAHILI.
MENTESNOT MEANS ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
IF YOU CAN STOP THE TIME FOR A SECOND.
ONE THING YOU GUYS NEED TO DO IS HAVE A SIGN-IN SHEET VERSUS
THE CARDS YOU HAVE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE BEING SKIPPED AND
WHATSOEVER, WHATSOEVER.
THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE.
ONE THING I LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS DISRESPECT AND
INSENSITIVITY.

WHAT HAPPENED TODAY WITH THE COUNCILMEN WAS VERY
DISRESPECTFUL.
AND WHAT HAPPENED TODAY WITH THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS GIVEN
THE AWARD THAT WAS VERY INSENSITIVE AND NOBODY SAID ANYTHING
ABOUT IT.
IT'S NOTHING INSENSITIVITY TOWARDS A PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY
CHALLENGED IS THE WAY THAT MR. DAVID ROWLAND WAS RUDELY
INTERRUPTED AND USHERED AWAY FROM THE PODIUM BY THE CHIEF
JUDGE.
IF YOU NOTICED IT OR IF YOU DIDN'T NOTICE IT, THAT IS THE
WORST WAY YOU CAN TREAT SOMEONE WITH A DISABILITY.
AND THAT'S VERY, VERY INSENSITIVE.
THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS SELFISHNESS.
WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE, WE DESERVE 26% OF THE CITY BUDGET.
RETROACTIVELY.
ALONG WITH THAT SELFISHNESS, INNER SENSITIVITY, I THINK IT'S
INTERESTING TO SEE HOW PEOPLE COME DOWN HERE AND TALK ABOUT
THEIR INTEREST, THEIR SELFLESS INTERESTS IF IT'S FROM BERN'S
STEAK HOUSE, DONE A LOT FOR THE COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE OR FOR
THE RESIDENTS.
I THINK I HEARD TWO PEOPLE SAID IT BEST.
MY BUSINESS, WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENED IN THE PARKING LOT TO
JUST TO KEEP FROM CALLING THE POLICE, HEY, MAN, ACCIDENT.
TAKE YOUR CAR, WHATSOEVER, WHATSOEVER, SEND ME THE BILL.
I'LL TAKE CARE OF IT.

I DON'T HAVE IT LIKE THAT.
HEARD TWO PEOPLE SAY, HEY, WE'RE STILL PAYING OUR EMPLOYEES.
BERN'S STEAK HOUSE AND OWNERS HAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
WHY ARE THEY DOWN HERE CRYING ABOUT, BECAUSE THAT HOW
CAPITALISM WORK.
CRYING ABOUT WHO IS NOT GOING TO HAVE A JOB.
THAT MEANS THEY HAVE THE EMPLOYEES TERRIFIED.
YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE YOUR JOB BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO DO
SOME CONSTRUCTION?
THAT MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.
BUT THE INSENSITIVITY COMES WHEN YOU SEE HOW WHITE PEOPLE
OPERATE.
YOU SEE HOW RACISM OPERATE.
WHEN PEOPLE ARE DOWN CRYING ABOUT SOME WATER FALLING IN
THEIR HOMES, AND WHEN THERE ARE BOMBS FALLING OVER PALESTINE
EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE YEAR.
BOMBS FALLING OVER PALESTINE AND PEOPLE ARE CRYING OVER SOME
WATER GETTING IN THEIR HOME.
THAT'S VERY INSENSITIVE.
THIS CITY COUNCIL NEED TO HAVE A RESOLUTION ON PALESTINE.
THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.
NO IFS, ANDS OR BUTS.
WE ARE 26% OF THE POPULATION.
WE NEED 26% OF THE CITY BUDGET.
12:24:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

GREG CAMPBELL.
MATTHEW RICH.
NATALIE WILSON.
GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:24:19PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
THANK YOU.
I WAS NOT PLANNING TO SPEAK.
12:24:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:24:27PM >> EXCUSE ME.
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SAY FIRST.
GREG CAMPBELL.
I LIVE ON THE CORNER OF FOUNTAIN BOULEVARD AND AUDUBON AND
THE BACK CORNER IS SWANN AND AUDUBON.
I HAVE KNOWN THAT PROPERTY -- I HAVE OWNED THAT PROPERTY FOR
71 YEARS NOW.
SINCE 1953 WHEN MY PARENTS BOUGHT IT WHEN I WAS A BOY.
ACROSS THE YEARS, THE WEATHER HAS BEEN VERY MUCH AS IT HAS
BEEN.
RECENTLY, A LOT OF SUMMER AFTERNOON THUNDERSTORMS AND HIGH
WATER IN THAT LOCATION EVERY YEAR.
OCCASIONALLY A HURRICANE THAT REALLY HITS US.
THE WORST ONE WE EVER HAD WAS MILTON.
FIRST TIME WATER EVER GOT IN THE HOUSE.
MY WIFE AND I HAVE BEEN OUT NOW THREE OR FOUR WEEKS AS

THINGS GET PUT BACK TOGETHER AGAIN.
BUT THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE BACK IN THE EARLY '60s THAT CAME
VERY, VERY CLOSE TO MILTON.
THINGS DON'T CHANGE THAT TERRIBLY MUCH ACROSS THE YEARS.
IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER YEARS TO LOOK ACROSS.
NOW THAT THE CITY FEELS THAT IT'S ABLE TO BEGIN TO DO
SOMETHING ABOUT THIS, THAT'S REALLY A WONDERFUL THING.
THE MONEY COMMITMENT, THE PLANNING OR THE REST.
WE SHOULD BE HAPPY, BUT INSTEAD WE ARE DISTRESSED.
THERE IS FEAR.
THERE IS ANGUISH AMONG SOME.
IT IS REFLECTED IN THESE COMMENTS IN THE MEETING.
I WAS NOT PLANNING TO, AS I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, TO SPEAK.
NO NOTES, BUT TWO FRIENDS WHO HAVE PREVIOUSLY SPOKEN ASKED
ME TO DO SO.
THEY ARE RESIDENTS.
ONE HAS RECENTLY HAD WATER IN HER HOUSE.
THE OTHER ONE HAS SANDBAGS IN FRONT OF HER FRONT DOOR.
THEY STILL DO NOT WANT TO SEE THIS GO THROUGH.
THEY SPOKE IN FAVOR OF A DELAY.
THEY WANTED ME TO DO SO.
WHAT I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT IS FOR US TO KNOW WHY THAT
IS THE CASE.
WHAT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO STRESS TO YOU, MY OPINION, WHERE
YOUR HELP REALLY CAN BE USEFUL.

YOU MAKE DECISIONS, BUT YOU CAN HELP US BEYOND JUST MAKING
DECISIONS.
AND THAT IS TO ENCOURAGE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE MOBILITY
DEPARTMENT AND THE PEOPLES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YES, THERE ARE THREE ROUTES THAT ARE OUTLINED ON THE MAP.
THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF RUMORS AND FEARS ABOUT THOSE.
PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMBIENCE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD,
THE LOSS OF THE TREE CANOPY WOULD BE A DECADES-LONG LOSS.
IT US THAT REALLY HAVE TO TAKE PLACE OR ARE THERE OTHER
ROUTES?
THE ROUTE IS THE ALL-IMPORTANT ISSUE IN PARKLAND ESTATES.
THE ROUTE OF THE SEWER LINES.
12:27:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:27:37PM >> THAT IS THE WHOLE THING.
PLEASE WATCH IT.
12:27:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, SIR.
I'VE ALREADY CALLED UP MATTHEW RICH, NATALIE WILSON.
THEN WE'LL HAVE TAMMY BALDWIN.
I ALREADY CALLED UP MATTHEW RICH AND NATALIE WILSON.
TAMMY BALDWIN.
12:27:58PM >> MATTHEW RICH.
GENERAL MANAGER OF HAVEN.
ON THE CORNER OF SOUTH HOWARD AND WEST MORRISON.
I LOOK AROUND TODAY AND I SEE A COMMUNITY, NEIGHBORS AGAINST
NEIGHBORS, BUSINESSES AGAINST RESIDENTS.

BUSINESSES AGAINST BUSINESSES.
WE AS A COMMUNITY WANT A SOLUTION TO THESE ISSUES.
WE ARE ASKING FOR 120 DAYS TO LOOK INTO OTHER SOLUTIONS.
THE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY CANNOT SURVIVE CLOSURES THAT ARE
THREE TO FIVE MONTHS PLUS.
PEOPLE GO TO THE RESTAURANTS TO ESCAPE THE STRESSES OF LIFE.
NO ONE WILL BE WILLING TO SIGN UP TO ADD STRESS TO THEIR
LIFE, TO TRY TO MAKE IT TO A RESTAURANT.
I'VE SEEN THE EFFECTS OF THESE KIND OF CLOSURES IN NEW YORK
CITY, TO INSTITUTIONS THAT WERE THERE.
FOR 90 PLUS YEARS.
RESTAURANTS DON'T SURVIVE THESE KIND OF THINGS.
THE EMPLOYEES WHO WORK IN PLACES LIKE THIS, THEY NEED THE
PEOPLE.
THERE ARE TOO MANY LOGISTICS INVOLVED IN HERE, HEARD MANY
PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE SHIPMENTS COMING IN AND VERY FEW
TALKING ABOUT THE WASTE GOING OUT.
IF THE CLOSURES ON THESE ROADS DON'T SHUT DOWN THE
BUSINESSES, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH GOLF CARTS TO
REMOVE THE TRASH AND RUBBISH THAT WILL PILE UP ALL
THROUGHOUT THAT COMMUNITY.
IT WILL LOOK LIKE A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY ON THAT STREET IF
ANYTHING SURVIVES.
THE EMPLOYEES, THEY ARE NOT REPLACEABLE.
IT TAKES THREE TO FIVE MONTHS ONCE YOU LOSE YOUR JOB.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE LOST A JOB BEFORE YOU FIND
ONE THAT GENERATES THE SAME INCOME, IF YOU'RE LUCKY.
46% OF FLORIDA RESIDENTS LIVE PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK.
ALMOST EVERYBODY IN THIS INDUSTRY LIVES THAT WAY ALSO.
YOU'LL LOSE EMPLOYEES.
THEY ARE GOING TO LOSE THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE.
IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO BUILD ANYTHING BACK UP THERE.
SURE, ONCE IT'S DONE YEARS FROM NOW, THINGS WILL COME BACK,
BUT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY WILL BE DESTROYED.
WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER AND FIND A BETTER SOLUTION TO THESE
ISSUES THAT ARE CLEARLY MORE THOUGHT OUT.
THANK YOU.
12:30:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NATALIE WILSON, TAMMY BALDWIN.
IS NATALIE WILSON HERE?
YES, MA'AM.
COME UP.
TAMMY BALDWIN FOLLOWED BY RILEY MURPHY?
12:30:40PM >> HI.
NATALIE WILSON.
I AM A SECOND GENERATION EMPLOYEE AT BERN'S STEAK HOUSE.
THE SERVICE THAT I HAVE HAD AT BERN'S AND COMBINED WITH MY
FATHER'S HAS BEEN LONGER THAN I'VE BEEN ALIVE.
BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE MEMORABLE EXPERIENCES TO GUESTS,
SOME OF WHICH ARE IN THIS ROOM, HAVE CELEBRATED SPECIAL

OCCASIONS, BUSINESS MEETINGS, ANNIVERSARIES, WEDDINGS,
BIRTHDAYS, IS SOMETHING THAT IS INGRAINED IN US.
I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT NEEDED TO BE EXPLAINED EARLIER UNTIL A
LITTLE WHILE AGO, BUT THE TWO AND A HALF WEEK CLOSURE THAT
WE HAD FOR OUR KITCHEN AND BAR REMODEL IS A PLANNED,
BUDGETED CLOSURE AND OUR EXECUTIVE TEAM AND OWNERS HAD
OPPORTUNITIES TO PROVIDE THOSE EMPLOYEES THAT WERE DISPLACED
TO OUR OTHER BUSINESSES, SUCH AS HAVEN, WHICH IS ALSO ALONG
THE ROUTE THAT IS GOING TO BE CLOSED, WHETHER IT'S A PARTIAL
CLOSURE OR A FULL CLOSURE.
SO COMPARING A TWO AND A HALF WEEK CLOSURE TO PARTIAL AND
FULL CLOSURES THAT WILL BE FOUR YEARS LONG, IS NOT SOMETHING
THAT MAKES SENSE IN OUR WORLD OF BUSINESS.
THE BERN'S RESTAURANT AND FAMILY BUSINESSES EMPLOY HUNDREDS
OF PEOPLE, AND WE ALSO SERVE AS HUNDREDS OF OTHER LIQUOR AND
WINE DISTRIBUTORS, PEOPLE THAT THEIR LIVELIHOODS ALSO RELY
ON US REMAINING OPEN.
CLOSING IMPACTS OUR LIVELIHOOD, NOT JUST BECAUSE WE ARE
CLOSED, BUT -- CLOSE, BUT WE ARE A FAMILY.
AS WORLD-RENOWNED AS BERN'S IS, WE ARE A VERY CLOSE-KNIT
FAMILY RESTAURANT.
OUTSIDE OF PARTIAL AND FULL ROAD CLOSURES, I HAVE CONCERN
HOW THE GOLF CART SHUTTLE WILL REMAIN ADA COMPLIANT FOR BOTH
OUR STAFF AND OUR GUESTS.
WHEELCHAIR, THAT DON'T HAVE THE PHYSICAL CAPABILITY OF

ROLLING DOWN A SIDEWALK BE ABLE TO GET TO THE RESTAURANT IF
IT IS A PARTIAL CLOSURE.
HOW WILL OUR STAFF AND THOSE SAME GUESTS BE ABLE TO GET BACK
TO WHEREVER THIS REMOTE PARKING LOT IS GOING TO BE,
ESPECIALLY WHEN SOME OF OUR EMPLOYEES GET OUT AT 2:00 OR
3:00 IN THE MORNING.
I URGE YOU TO DELAY 120 DAYS SO WE CAN REASSESS A PROPER
ROUTE, ONE THAT IS ABLE TO BOTH SAVE BUSINESSES AND MITIGATE
THE FLOODING ISSUES.
WE KNOW THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE IN SOUTH HOWARD.
WE KNOW THAT SOUTH TAMPA HAS A FLOODING ISSUE.
AND I THINK BUSINESSES KNOW THAT.
WE ARE NOT TRYING TO STOP THAT.
12:33:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:33:43PM >> THANK YOU.
12:33:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
TAMMY BALDWIN.
RILEY MURPHY.
MS. ROBIN LOCKETT.
12:33:51PM >> I'M TAMMY BALDWIN.
MY SON JONATHAN BALDWIN IS AN EMPLOYEE AT BERN'S STEAK
HOUSE.
HE'S BEEN THERE APPROXIMATELY EIGHT YEARS NOW.
I ADMIT I'M LATE TO THIS PARTY.
I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT ALL THIS YESTERDAY, ALTHOUGH I'VE
LIVED IN TAMPA FOR OVER 40 YEARS, MY HUSBAND FOR 65.

WE ALL KNOW THAT SOUTH HOWARD HAS A HUGE FLOODING PROBLEM,
BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE.
THE BERN'S FAMILY HAS INVESTED BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS AND
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO THIS COMMUNITY, AND IT'S ABOUT TIME
THIS COMMUNITY LOOK AT GIVING BACK INSTEAD OF JUST TAKING.
I WORKED FOR DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION WITH ROADS AND
CONSTRUCTION, AND THEY CAN SAY IT'S GOING TO TAKE FOUR
MONTHS, FOUR YEARS, IT'S GOING TO TAKE TEN MORE THAN THAT,
GENERALLY, AND COST BEAUCOUP BUCKS MORE.
WE ALL KNOW THAT IS THE WAY IT WORKS.
YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PICTURE -- I UNDERSTAND THE FAMILIES
HAVE ISSUES WITH THEIR HOMES.
LORD KNOWS I LIVE OUTSIDE CARROLLWOOD AND I STILL HAVE TO
WORRY ABOUT THAT TOO.
IT'S WORSE THERE, BUT YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THE HUNDREDS OF
EMPLOYEES, NOT JUST AT BERN'S, BUT AT EVERY BUSINESS OVER
THERE, AND WHEN YOU CLOSE A ROAD AND HAVE DETOURS, WHO THE
HECK WANTS TO DRIVE AROUND TILL YOU CAN FIND OUT WHERE THE
HECK YOU ARE NOW AND GET WHERE YOU'RE GOING.
THE DETOURS ARE GOING TO DIVERT ANY FUTURE CUSTOMER THAT
THESE BUSINESSES HAVE, NOT JUST NOW WHEN IT'S GOING ON, BUT
AS THEY PREVIOUSLY SAID, THEY ARE GOING TO GO ELSEWHERE AND
THEY AIN'T COMING BACK.
I ASK THAT YOU JUST BE CONSIDERATE AND LOOK AT THE WHOLE
THING.

IF THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS AND AIN'T BEEN FIGURED
OUT, MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE NEEDS TO LOOK AT IT.
MAYBE THE COMPANIES THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE PLANS AND DOING
THE BLUEPRINTS, MAYBE THEY ARE NOT THE RIGHT FOLKS TO BE
DOING IT NO MORE.
MAYBE NEED A FRESH SET OF EYES.
THE ENGINEERS THAT SIGN OFF ON THE BLUEPRINTS, ANOTHER
GENTLEMAN SAID THEY ARE NOT GOING TO PUT THEIR BUSINESS,
THEIR LOANS ON THE LINE.
EVER HEARD OF CONSTRUCTION DEFECT LITIGATION?
I WORK ON IT, SO I KNOW WELL ENOUGH ABOUT IT THAT, YEAH,
THEY DO.
THEY SIGN OFF ON THE BLUEPRINTS AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT
PROJECT.
THEY ARE NOT THERE WHEN THE CHAOS ENSUES AFTERWARDS.
USE COMMON SENSE.
WE ALL HAVE IT.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
12:36:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
RILEY MURPHY, ROBIN LOCKETT, VALERIE BULLOCK.
GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:36:34PM >> MY NAME IS RILEY MURPHY.
I CURRENTLY WORK AT HAVEN AND HAVE BEEN WITH THE BERN'S

STEAK HOUSE FOR OVER 16 YEARS NOW.
I ALSO LIVE LESS THAN A MILE FROM THERE JUST NORTH OF SWANN
ON NEWPORT AVENUE.
I WAS RETICENT TO COME SPEAK TO YOU TODAY.
THIS ISSUE IS BEYOND MY PURVIEW AND EXPERTISE.
SPEAKING TO MY WIFE OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF DAYS, JUST
WANTED TO PUT A FACE TO THE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF
EMPLOYEES ALONG HOWARD AVENUE THAT WORK AT THE BUSINESSES
THAT ARE NOT LAW FIRMS OR DOCTORS' OFFICES WHO HAVE A MUCH
HIGHER OVERHEAD AND WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PAY THEIR EMPLOYEES
IF AND WHEN THE ROAD CLOSURE ULTIMATELY STRANGLES THE LIFE
FROM THESE BUSINESSES.
BECAUSE AS I'VE HEARD A FEW PEOPLE SAY, WITH THE NUMEROUS
OPTIONS AS FAR AS DINING AND ENTERTAINMENT ELSEWHERE AROUND
THE CITY, PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO WANT TO GO THROUGH THE
EXTRA HASSLE THAT IT TAKES TO REMOTE PARK AND THEN BE
SHUTTLED IN THE RAIN AND THE HEAT VIA GOLF CART WHEN THEY
HAVE HUNDREDS OF OTHER OPTIONS.
MY WIFE AND I HAVE LIVED IN THIS AREA ALMOST TEN YEARS.
WE WERE MARRIED ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.
WE RELY ON MY INCOME FROM THIS JOB, MY HEALTH INSURANCE FROM
THIS JOB.
IF THE PROPOSED PLAN GOES FORWARD ON THE ROUTE THAT IT SEEMS
LIKE IT'S HEADED, THAT'S NO LONGER GOING TO BE POSSIBLE.
WE'VE BEEN MARRIED FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS.

WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO STARTING A FAMILY SOON, AND IT
TERRIFIES ME THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE POSSIBLE IF YOU VOTE
YES ON THIS TODAY.
I URGE YOU AND IMPLORE YOU, PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THE
LIVELIHOODS FROM PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
THANK YOU.
12:38:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MS. ROBIN LOCKETT.
VALERIE BULLOCK.
STEVE MICHELINI.
I DON'T SEE VALERIE HERE.
BUT I'LL CALL HER NAME AGAIN.
12:38:33PM >> ROBIN LOCKETT.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
BREAK THE CONVERSATION UP, TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE.
ITEM NUMBER 53, THE SMOKING IN THE PARK, THE ORDINANCE YOU
GUYS ARE GOING TO LOOK AT.
I KNOW THAT THE STATE HAS PUT A MANDATE TO PREVENT SMOKING
AND VAPING IN PARKS.
YOU GUYS I'M ASSUMING HAVING -- YOU ARE HAVING A
CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT TODAY.
THE CONCERN I HAVE IS CRIMINALIZATION.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU CAN PUT SIGNS UP AND SAY, HEY, THIS AREA
IS RESTRICTED.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT CITIZEN CITATIONS.
BUT MY CONCERN IS ABOUT THE CRIMINALIZATION OF THIS.
I WANT YOU GUYS TO TAKE A REAL LOOK AT MAKING A DECISION
WHERE IT IS NOT -- YOU'RE NOT PUTTING PEOPLE IN JAILS.
I READ THAT POSSIBLY GOING TO BE FINES AND SO FORTH.
BUT REALLY LOOKING AT THIS.
WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION AND THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING,
PEOPLE WOULD BE PUT IN JAIL FOR A WHOLE LOT OF SIMPLE
THINGS.
I JUST WANT -- I WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS TO JUST REALLY
LET YOU GUYS KNOW JUST TO REALLY THINK ABOUT, BE THOUGHTFUL
ABOUT THIS AND BE MINDFUL OF IT.
THAT'S MY THING.
YOU HAVE A BIG DECISION TO MAKE.
YOU HAVE BUSINESSES, AND YOU HAVE HOMEOWNERS.
WITH THIS FLOODING SITUATION.
THERE IS A LOT GOING ON FOR YOU GUYS.
12:40:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER IS STEVE MICHELINI.
I SEE KAMANO DORAN AND KEN WISE AND THAT WILL CONCLUDE
PUBLIC COMMENT.
12:40:24PM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
HERE ON BEHALF OF THE SOHO BUSINESS ALLIANCE.
I'D PREFER TO SHOW YOU WHY THIS IS A BAD PLAN, BUT REALLY,

LET ME SPEAK FIRST THAT THIS PLAN DOESN'T ADDRESS PALMA CEIA
PINES AT ALL.
AND IT DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM AT PARKLAND ESTATES.
IT ADDRESSES WHAT IS NORMALLY CALLED A FIVE-YEAR STORM,
WHICH IS ABOUT THREE INCHES TO FIVE INCHES OF RAIN.
THAT'S IT.
THE TEN INCHES THAT WE HAD BEFORE THE HURRICANE, THE 14
INCHES THAT WE HAD DURING THE HURRICANE AND THE WIND AND ALL
THAT, THEY ARE STILL GOING TO FLOOD.
BUT THERE ARE IMMEDIATE SOLUTIONS THAT CAN BE TAKEN.
THEY DON'T INVOLVE HOWARD.
THEY INVOLVE THE PUMP STATION THAT THE ENGINEERS TALKED
ABOUT.
IT'S IN THEIR REPORT.
THEY TALK ABOUT IT.
IT SAYS HERE DESIGNING STORMWATER INLETS TOO SMALL TO ACCEPT
THE CAPACITY OF WATER.
THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE.
LOOK AT FIRST WHAT IS THE PROBLEM, WHAT CAUSED THIS TO
HAPPEN.
THE MAINTENANCE AND THE DESIGN OF THE STORMWATER SYSTEM THAT
EXISTS NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.
AND IT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED.
BEFORE WE START TAKING ON $65 MILLION PROJECT, THAT HAS TO
HAPPEN.

IT SHOULD HAPPEN.
THE USE OF A SHORT-TERM EVENT AND THE LACK OF INLET CAPACITY
WAS AN ADDITIONAL CONCERN OF THE FLOODING AREAS.
THIS IS FROM THE STORMWATER REPORT.
IF THEY TELL YOU THAT THE ROUTE HASN'T BEEN CHOSEN, THIS IS
THE PROJECT MAP.
I DIDN'T MAKE IT UP.
BRISTOL TO HOWARD.
THAT'S IT.
WHEN THEY COME DOWN HERE AND THEY TELL YOU AND EVERYONE IS
SAYING, THEY ARE GOING TO EVALUATE THE DIFFERENT DESIGNS,
THE ENGINEERING DRAWINGS CONTAINED IN THE REPORT THAT'S
ATTACHED TO THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA TODAY, THIS IS WHERE I
GOT THAT FROM.
THE ROUTE HAS BEEN CHOSEN.
AND WHEN WE ASKED FOR YOU TO STEP BACK, PROVIDE A BETTER
SOLUTION, GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IN SOME
INDEPENDENT ENGINEERS TO MEET WITH THE CITY.
120 DAYS.
IT SEEMS LIKE A NO-BRAINER.
THIS IS A DESIGN FOR THE PUMP STATION IN PARKLAND ESTATES.
IT'S IN YOUR REPORT.
BUT THEY SKIPPED RIGHT OVER IT.
THE OTHER THING, HERE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
CONCLUSIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.

FROM THE REPORT.
BASED ON THE DETAILS, THE CRITERIA FOR THE STATION,
CONSTRUCTED AND SHOWN SHOULD BE DONE.
THEY RECOMMENDED A PUMP STATION, ADDITIONAL RETENTION PONDS,
INTERCONNECTING THE RETENTION PONDS THAT EXIST ON ARMENIA,
THE ONES THAT EXIST ON BRISTOL AND ALBANY.
AND THE ONE OVER IN OLD HYDE PARK VILLAGE.
I'VE SPOKEN CSX.
CITY HAS NOT BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THEM.
HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT AN ALTERNATE ROUTE.
CHOOSE AN ALTERNATE ROUTE.
DO NOT APPROVE THIS CONTRACT.
GIVE US 120 DAYS, PLEASE.
12:43:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, SIR.
KAMANO DORIAN.
I DO NOT SEE THE PERSON.
OUR LAST SPEAKER, KEN.
12:43:45PM >> HEY.
GOOD AFTERNOON.
KEN WISE.
I WAS HERE ACTUALLY, EVERY WEEK AT YOUR LAST MEETING ON
OCTOBER THE 17, FIRST ONE.
I NOTICED THIS.
WHY I CAME.
CREATIVE LOAFING ARTICLE THAT DIDN'T MENTION ANYTHING EXCEPT

FLOODING.
THEN I GO, OH, WOW, I NEED TO CHECK ON HOW THEY ARE DOING.
I COME OVER HERE, I GO, WOW THAT CREATIVE LOAFING ARTICLE IS
LIKE DOING RESTAURANT OR CLUB REVIEW.
SOMEBODY PAID TO HAVE IT PUBLISHED.
ANYWAY, IF YOU REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE, IT WAS
ABOUT TREES.
THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE FLOODING PROBLEMS, I FEEL FOR THEM.
TINY, MINUSCULE PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION OF TAMPA.
OVER A HALF MILLION PEOPLE WERE WITHOUT POWER.
SOME FOR UP TO WEEKS.
TECO HAS ALREADY SAID THEY ARE GOING TO ASK AND THEY WILL
GET IT, PERMISSION TO CHARGE US A HALF A BILLION DOLLARS ON
OUR ELECTRIC BILLS.
OKAY.
THIS WAS A CONFLUENCE FOR THE FLOODING OF A ONCE IN A
MILLENNIUM SITUATION.
WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE STORMS COME AND JUST DROP
TREES LEFT AND RIGHT.
WE NEED TO TAKE DOWN THE TREES.
THAT SHOULD BE THE FIRST AND HIGHEST PRIORITY BECAUSE THIS
IS A CAT 3, 70 MILES AWAY, A CAT 4 RIGHT UP THE BAY WE'LL BE
LIKE PUERTO RICO.
WON'T HAVE POWER GOING ON FOR MONTHS THEREAFTER.
SO WHAT YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS GET YOUR PRIORITIES.

YOU ONLY HAVE SO MUCH MONEY TO SPREAD AROUND.
WHO IS IT GOING TO HELP THE MOST?
GET THE TREES.
EVERY TIME TECO SEES A TREE THAT NEEDS TRIMMING, LET THEM
TAKE THE WHOLE THING DOWN.
JUST WALKING AROUND MY NEIGHBORHOOD, FIRST, THERE WERE THE
TREES THAT FELL.
THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN I STARTED SEEING REAL HEALTHY TREES
THAT WERE CUT UP.
LIKE, OH, WOW, HERE IS MY CHANCE TO CUT DOWN A TREE THAT THE
TREE HUGGING DEPARTMENT WOULDN'T LET ME DO PREVIOUSLY.
GET THE CITY OF TAMPA TO HAUL IT OFF.
WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS LET PEOPLE GET THE TREES DOWN.
YOU CAN ALWAYS PLANT NEW TREES.
FLOODING, I'M SURE.
FLOODING, TALKING ABOUT STUFF THAT WILL COST, WHAT,
BILLIONS.
IF YOU JUST LET PEOPLE CUT THE TREES DOWN, THEY'LL DO IT ALL
ON THEIR DIMES.
GET OUT OF THEIR WAY AND LET THEM DO IT.
AND THEN START ENCOURAGING THEM TO CUT DOWN THE ONES THAT
YOU KNOW ARE GOING TO TAKE OUT HOUSES AND TAKE OUT OUR
POWER.
MAKE TREES, NOT FLOODING THE BIGGEST PRIORITY.
BECAUSE IT WILL AFFECT THE MOST.

THAT'S IT.
12:46:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
ITEM 4 IS A BOARD APPOINTMENT.
DO WE NEED MS. SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES HERE?
MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 4.
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED.
PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, 5-18.
12:47:11PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SO MOVE 5-18.
12:47:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED.
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
12:47:19PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MOVE NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS
19-27.
12:47:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
HENDERSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
12:47:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE ITEMS 28-32.
12:47:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
12:47:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
[INAUDIBLE]
12:47:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
12:47:44PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I MOVE 38-49.
12:47:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
SECOND FROM MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
12:47:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I MOVE ITEMS 50-52.
12:47:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.

ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ALL RIGHT.
WE'RE GOING TO DO --
12:48:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL MOVE WHAT SHE SAID.
12:48:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ITEM NUMBER 56, CAN I GET A MOTION?
12:48:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WE CAN DO THEM ALL TOGETHER.
12:48:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT 56, 57, 61 --
12:48:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
55, DECEMBER 5.
12:48:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SOMEONE MAKE THE MOTION?
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK FOR.
12:48:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
56, 57, 61, 62 AND -- YES --
12:48:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT'S IT.
12:48:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
HURTAK AND SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
WE ARE IN RECESS UNTIL 2:00.
WE WILL COME BACK WITH ITEM NUMBER 53 AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO
THE REST OF THE AGENDA.
WE ARE IN RECESS UNTIL 2:00.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
[LUNCH RECESS]
2:03:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
2:03:04PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.

2:03:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
2:03:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
2:03:07PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PRESENT.
2:03:09PM >> VIERA?
MIRANDA?
2:03:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
2:03:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
2:03:11PM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
2:03:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ITEM NUMBER 53.
MR. SHELBY, DO WE NEED PUBLIC COMMENT ON NUMBER 53?
2:03:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO.
YOU'VE TAKEN PUBLIC COMMENT FOR EVERYTHING TODAY.
THERE ARE NO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
2:03:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
JUST CHECKING.
YES, MA'AM.
HELLO.
2:03:27PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
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ITEM 53 IS THE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CITY
OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES TO PROHIBIT SMOKING AND VAPING
IN CITY PARKS.
WE HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION ON THIS ITEM, IF THEY COULD
PULL UP THE PowerPoint.
I'LL JUST COVER QUICKLY THE LEGAL BASIS AND THEN HAND IT

OVER TO DIRECTOR WASHINGTON TO COMPLETE THE PRESENTATION.
SO THE CITY'S LEGAL AUTHORITY TO PROHIBIT SMOKING AND VAPING
IN ITS PARKS IS DERIVED FROM SECTION 386.209 FLORIDA
STATUTES.
THE STATUTE SPECIFICALLY CARVES OUT AN EXCEPTION PREVENTING
MUNICIPALITIES FROM REGULATING THE SMOKING OF UNFILTERED
CIGARS.
SO THAT EXCEPTION HAS BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE PROPOSED
ORDINANCE.
IF ADOPTED, THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE WOULD AMEND CHAPTER 16,
ARTICLE III, SECTION 16-47 OF THE CITY'S CODE OF ORDINANCES
TO PROHIBIT SMOKING OF ANY LIGHTED TOBACCO PRODUCT EXCEPT
UNFILTERED CIGARS AND VAPING OF ANY SUBSTANCE IN CITY PARKS.
A VIOLATION OF SECTION 16-47 WOULD BE A CIVIL OFFENSE.
AND THE PENALTY WOULD BE A CIVIL CITATION THAT CARRIES WITH
IT A FINE AS PROVIDED IN SECTION 23.5-5, SUBPART A OF CITY
CODE.
WITH THAT I'LL TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO DIRECTOR
WASHINGTON.
AFTER HE CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION, I, DIRECTOR WASHINGTON
AND ALSO TONY MULKEY, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION WILL
BE PRESENT AND AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
2:05:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
2:05:06PM >> GO AHEAD.
THANK YOU.

GOOD AFTERNOON.
LARRY WASHINGTON, DIRECTOR OF SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT.
JUST FYI, I'M CURRENTLY AT DR. CARTER WOODSON'S ELEMENTARY
SCHOOL RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE BACKGROUND.
IF THERE'S ANY NOISE WITH KIDS, I WAS WORKING WITH THE
TEACHERS AT GREAT AMERICAN TEACH-IN.
SO I GOT CAUGHT UP WITH THE CHILDREN AND --
PROBABLY WONDERING WHY A SOLID WASTE DIRECTOR IS PRESENTING
ON AN ORDINANCE CHANGE FOR PARKS AND REC.
I'LL BE ABLE TO UNPACK THAT AS THE PRESENTATION UNFOLDS.
I CANNOT SEE THE SLIDES.
CAN WE GO BACK TO THE SLIDES AS WELL?
WOULD YOU MIND WORKING THE PowerPoint FOR ME?
IT SAYS NO SIGNAL.
2:06:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IF WE CAN BLOW IT UP ON OUR SCREEN.
IT'S SMALL.
IF WE COULD MAKE IT BIGGER.
THERE WE GO.
GO AHEAD.
2:06:10PM >> MR. WASHINGTON, CAN YOU SEE THAT?
2:06:13PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
YES.
IT IS UP ON MY END.
WE DO NOT STAND ALONE IN WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO HERE.
THESE ARE SOME MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE ALREADY MOVED

FORWARD IN ENACTING SIMILAR ORDINANCE CHANGES FOR THE
BETTERMENT OF THEIR COMMUNITIES.
CLEARWATER, ST. PETE, TREASURE ISLAND, CITY OF SARASOTA,
ET CETERA.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
DROPPED IN OUR LOGO AS WELL.
WE ARE HOPING TO ADD OUR NAME TO THE LIST MOVING FORWARD.
SO USUALLY WE WOULD COMPILE ALL OF THESE.
THESE ARE FACTS THAT WE WANT TO PRESENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
HOWEVER, NEEDED TO STAND OUT, BUT DUE TO THE TIME FRAME THAT
WE PROBABLY HAVE RIGHT NOW, I'LL GO OVER THEM QUICKLY.
IN THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE SOURCE IS.
DEAD CENTER, YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT TO PUT
EMPHASIS ON.
CIGARETTE BUTTS ARE THE MOST LITTERED ITEM IN THE UNITED
STATES.
IN ADDITION, CIGARETTE LITTER IS PRESENT AT EVERY TAMPA
CLEANUP.
WE KNOW THAT BY THE GREEN TEAM.
76% OF THE CIGARETTE SMOKE IN PUBLIC ARE LITTER MOVING
FORWARD.
CIGARETTE FILTERS ARE MADE OF PLASTIC AND DO NOT BIODEGRADE.
THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE NEED TO GET THEM OFF OF OUR
PARKS AND OUR BEACHES.
NEXT SLIDE.

ESTIMATED 4 BILLION MICROPLASTICS EXISTS IN TAMPA BAY AS OF
NOW.
NEXT SLIDE.
OVER 450 CIGARETTES COLLECTED WITHIN ONE MILE AT A SINGLE
LOCATION.
3,200 CIGARETTES WERE COLLECTED IN ONE CLEANUP.
AND THAT WAS DONE AND CONDUCTED BY OUR GREEN TEAM.
AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE GREEN TEAM IS PICKING UP OVER 200
CIGARETTES AN HOUR.
OF COURSE, SECOND HAND SMOKE IS A SIGNIFICANT HEALTH RISK AS
WELL.
NEXT SLIDE.
WE WANT TO FOCUS ON THAT AND SHOW YOU A QUICK AND ALL THE
REFERENCES AS WELL.
ACKNOWLEDGE THEM.
DESPITE THE EXISTING LITTER ORDINANCE, THESE ITEMS ARE STILL
BEING LITTERED AND LITTERED AT AN ALARMING RATE, SHOWCASING
THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL STEPS TO BE TAKEN.
MOVING FORWARD, PROPOSED ORDINANCE ALIGNS THE CITY OF TAMPA
STANCE AGAINST THE USE OF TOBACCO PRODUCTS.
NEXT SLIDE.
HOW WE GOT INVOLVED.
SO WE HAVE -- THIS RESEARCH ESSENTIALLY PRESENTED HERE WAS
NOT -- OR WAS IN PART THROUGH THE EPA TRASH-FREE WATERWAY
GRANT, WHICH IS A $5,000 GRANT AWARDED TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT

OF TRASH IN THE TAMPA BAY WATERWAYS.
IF PASSED, THE ORDINANCE WILL BE ACCOMPANIED WITH A PORTION
OF THE GRANT FOR OUTREACH AND AWARENESS.
SO THAT'S ROUGHLY $80,000 FOR OUTREACH AND AWARENESS.
AND THIS WAS NOT DONE -- WE HAVE $30,000 BUDGETED FOR A YEAR
FOR OUR RECYCLING TEAM TO PROMOTE AND REACH OUT TO THOSE,
THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
AND THAT'S ALMOST THREEFOLD.
SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO PUSH OFF THIS INFORMATION IN A
CONSISTENT BASIS AND THAT'S GOING TO BE, OF COURSE, SOCIAL
MEDIA WHICH IS FREE, PARK BENCHES, AND REALLY TARGETED AREAS
THAT TONY MULKEY AND TEAM HAVE IDENTIFIED.
THIS WAS NOT DONE BY OURSELVES AS WELL.
WE HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH TPD, SUSTAINABILITY AND
RESILIENCE.
THE PARKS AND REC TEAM, OF COURSE, AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
THIS ALL TIES INTO THE MAYOR'S INITIATIVE TO KEEP IT CLEAN
AS WELL.
THAT IS MY PRESENTATION.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
2:10:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU HAD QUESTIONS.
2:10:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APPRECIATED THE PRESENTATION, AND I
COMPLETELY AGREE WITH IT.
LITTERING OF CIGARETTE BUTTS IS A TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE THING.
BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS ORDINANCE IS SAYING.

THIS ORDINANCE IS SAYING IF YOU SMOKE IN A PARK, WE'RE GOING
TO FINE YOU $75.
IT'S NOT DROPPING A CIGARETTE BUTT.
IT'S SMOKING AT ALL.
SO IF THIS WAS AN ORDINANCE FOR LITTERING CIGARETTE BUTTS
AND -- OR THE CITY CHARGING YOU $75 PER, ABSOLUTELY.
BUT JUST SMOKING IN A PARK, THIS DOES NOT MATCH THE
PRESENTATION.
I CANNOT SUPPORT ANYTHING THAT GIVES A CIVIL CITATION TO
SOMEONE FOR SIMPLY SMOKING IN A PARK.
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2:11:53PM >>LUIS VIERA:
-- I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.
IF THIS WAS TAILORED TO JUST LITTERING, OBVIOUSLY.
BUT TO START DOING CITATIONS ON PEOPLE FOR SMOKING IN A
PARK, IT'S GOING TO LEAD TO JUST MORE CONTACTS WITH THE
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM WHERE I SEE THE BENEFIT OF IT,
OBVIOUSLY.
I NEVER SMOKED IN MY LIFE, RIGHT?
EVERY TIME I SMELL A CIGARETTE, IT REMINDS ME OF MY FATHER.
NEEDS A BUDWEISER AND CIGARETTE.
MY DAD, GOD REST HIS SOUL.
THE BENEFIT OF IT DOESN'T OUTWEIGH THE POTENTIAL DETRIMENT
IN MY OPINION.
YEAH, AT THIS TIME, I DON'T THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE
SHOULD MOVE FORWARD ON.

2:12:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND HENDERSON.
2:12:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION.
WHEN YOU WEREN'T SMOKING AND VAPING, YOU'RE TRYING TO SAVE
SOMEBODY ELSE'S LIFE.
YOUR LIFE MAY BE GONE BECAUSE YOU MORE THAN LIKELY DO IT
EVERY DAY FOR YEARS AND YEARS.
MY WIFE DIED OF LUNG CANCER.
SHE NEVER SMOKED.
AND I NEVER FORGET WHAT THE SURGEON TOLD US.
HER FATHER HAD TWO PACKS OF CIGARETTES A DAY AND HER MOTHER
ONE.
THAT'S WHEN THERE WAS NO AIR CONDITIONING IN THE HOUSES.
THAT'S WHEN ALL GIRLS WERE INSIDE, BOYS OUTSIDE PLAYING.
THAT'S HOW IT WAS AT THE TIME.
I NEVER FORGOT THAT.
SMOKING AND VAPING IS ONE THING IF YOU WANT TO DO IT IN YOUR
OWN HOUSE.
WHEN YOU START DOING IT IN PUBLIC, YOU ARE PUTTING OTHERS AT
RISK.
NOT THE BUTT, BUT WHEN YOU WALK BY, EVENT, 20 PEOPLE
SMOKING, YOU'RE IN ONE OF THOSE EVENTS AND YOU'RE NOT
SMOKING, YOU'RE INHALING THE SAME THING THEY ARE.
YOU DON'T DO THE SAME THING.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO FIND A BOTTLE OF WHISKEY OPEN TO ARREST
SOMEBODY WHO IS DRUNK.

ARREST THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE DRUNK.
IN THIS CASE, I THINK YOU JUST ARREST THEM BECAUSE NOT ONLY
SMOKING, BUT DROPPING IN CITY PROPERTY.
THIS CITY RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN'T SMOKE OUTSIDE THIS BUILDING,
AM I CORRECT?
THAT WAS BUCKHORN'S ADMINISTRATION, IF I REMEMBER.
2:14:06PM >> McLANE EVANS, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
CITY OF TAMPA PROPERTIES HAVE A NO SMOKING POLICY, CORRECT.
2:14:13PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WAS IT UNDER BUCKHORN?
YOU WEREN'T HERE.
THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU.
I RELATE THIS TO THE SAME THING.
IF YOU CAN'T SMOKE ON THE CITY PROPERTY, THEN YOU SHOULDN'T
BE ABLE TO SMOKE IN A CITY PARK.
STILL A CITY PROPERTY.
BELONGS TO THE TAXPAYERS, NOT I.
THANK YOU.
THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
2:14:34PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU, CHAIR.
FIRST, I NEED TO SAY SHOT OUT TO JOSH AND LACHONE CLASS OF
2003 BECAUSE THEY ARE THE YOUNG MEN THAT GOT ME TO STOP
SMOKING.
I'M COMING UP ON 20 YEARS OF NOT SMOKING.
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2:16:21PM >> -- I KIND OF WONDERED WHAT THE MOTIVATION OF THIS WAS.
I'M OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER WHEN THEY USED TO HAVE TO FLY IN
AIRPLANES AND HAVE PEOPLE SMOKE IN THERE, AND THINKING YOU
HAD TO SMOKE IN A NONSMOKING SECTION, WHICH THERE WAS NO
DIVISION.
OR GOING INTO RESTAURANTS, SMOKING, NONSMOKING, OR RIDING IN
A VEHICLE WITH MY ELDERLY GRANDMOTHER AND AUNTS ALL CHAIN
SMOKING.
AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL THEY ALLOWED SMOKING WHEN I FIRST
STARTED WORKING.
AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER WITH A CIGARETTE HANGING OUT OF THEIR
MOUTH, ONE IN THE HAND AND ONE IN THE ASHTRAY.
I WAS NEVER A SMOKER, SO IT WAS CHOKING AND KILLING.
TAMPA IS GETTING BIGGER.
PARKS GETTING MORE POPULAR AND MORE CROWDED.
I'M GLAD COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON MENTIONED CHILDREN.
I DON'T REALLY SEE THIS AS ANY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE
TAKEN THESE SOCIOLOGICAL ADVANCES OF BANNING SMOKING IN
AIRPLANES, RESTAURANTS AND WORKPLACES.
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-- RESOURCES, DEAL WITH THAT LATER.
2:18:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW ABOUT WE PASS IT WITHOUT THE PENALTY?
2:18:17PM >> McLANE EVANS, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
IF THEY WOULD LIKE CHANGES, SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES SUCH AS

CHANGING THE PENALTIES.
2:18:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE TO --
2:18:32PM >> -- REFERENCES IN THE TITLE.
WE WOULD HAVE TO START OVER AT FIRST READING.
2:18:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MAKE A MOTION TO REDO THE ORDINANCE TAKING
OUT ALL PENALTIES.
2:18:46PM >> I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER GENERAL PUBLIC
POLICY TO ADOPT A RULE THAT HAS NO CONSEQUENCES, IS
ESSENTIALLY USELESS.
SO IT MIGHT SIMPLY BE BETTER NOT TO PASS IT AT ALL THAN TO
TAKE AWAY THE PENALTIES.
2:19:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T THINK THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH, LIKE,
PUTTING SIGNS UP AND DOING THINGS LIKE THAT.
TO ME, THIS GOES RIGHT BACK TO THE SKATEBOARDING IN PUBLIC.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WERE HERE FOR THAT, SKATEBOARDING ISN'T
ILLEGAL, BUT WE TRIED TO MAKE IT ILLEGAL HERE.
FOR ME, SMOKING, NO, YOU SHOULDN'T SMOKE OR VAPE IN A CITY
PARK.
WE CAN PUT UP A SIGN.
WE CAN ASK PEOPLE TO DO IT.
BUT I THINK GOING AROUND POLICING, COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON
GOT TO THE POINT FOR ME OF WHERE WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE
DOING THIS.
LIKE, WHERE ARE -- HOW IS THIS GOING TO BE USED?
WE DO NOT WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO ENTER THE CRIMINAL

JUSTICE SYSTEM IN WHATEVER WAY.
SO WE CAN ABSOLUTELY DO WHAT THE OFFICERS CURRENTLY DO FOR
THE SKATEBOARDING.
THEY SAY, HEY, YOU CAN'T SKATE HERE.
THEY DON'T DO A FINE, NOT A PENALTY.
SO MY MOTION -- I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE ABOUT THIS.
MY MOTION IS TO REDO THE ORDINANCE TAKING OUT THE PENALTIES.
THERE IS A SECOND FROM MR. VIERA, AND I WOULD LIKE TO GO
AHEAD AND CALL --
2:20:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA -- CLENDENIN.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
2:20:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO DISCUSSION.
NOW, QUESTION, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, WOULD YOU USE THE SAME
LOGIC FOR REINSTITUTING -- TAKING PENALTIES AWAY FOR
RESTAURANTS AND AIRPLANES AND ALL THE OTHER PUBLIC SPACES?
2:20:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THOSE AREN'T PUBLIC SPACES.
THOSE ARE PRIVATE SPACES.
AGAIN, FOR ME, THIS IS AN ISSUE OF NOT INTRODUCING PEOPLE TO
THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.
THAT IS IT.
THAT IS ALL.
THAT IS MY LINE.
2:20:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S GOVERNMENT TELLING PEOPLE THEY CAN'T
SMOKE IN A RESTAURANT.
2:20:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S STATE GOVERNMENT.

THAT'S NOT US.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT I CAN CONTROL.
IF WE START -- YES, SMOKING, YOU SHOULDN'T DO IT.
YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T DO IT IN A PUBLIC PARK, BUT I CANNOT
ADD ANOTHER LAYER OF GOVERNMENT ON TOP OF IT.
2:20:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
SO YOU'RE SAYING SIGNS BUT NO FINES.
2:21:05PM >> LOVE IT.
2:21:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HEY.
2:21:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SIGNS BUT NO FINES.
THAT'S WHAT I WANT THE TITLE TO BE.
2:21:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WOW.
I'M IN THE WRONG BUSINESS.
I'LL HAVE A -- SO I'M AN AVID CIGAR SMOKER.
IF I SEE A SIGN, I JUST FOLLOW THE RULE.
THERE IS A SIGN OUT HERE.
I'VE NEVER SMOKED IN THE PARKING LOT.
NEVER BROUGHT A CIGAR INSIDE.
I DON'T BRING IT IN THE HOUSE.
I GO TO A CIGAR LOUNGE.
IT'S RIGHT OUT HERE WHEN YOU WALK IN THE FRONT DOOR.
ALL IT TAKES IS FOR ME TO SEE A SIGN AND I RESPECT IT.
IF THERE WAS A SIGN THAT SAID NO ROLLER SKATING, I WOULDN'T
ROLLER -- I DON'T REALLY ROLLER SKATE THAT MUCH.
I DON'T NEED A PENALTY.

IT'S OUT OF RESPECT TO SAY IT IS WHAT IT IS.
2:21:48PM >> MR. CHAIRMAN, LEGAL POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
McLANE EVANS.
THE ORDINANCE AS IT'S WRITTEN TODAY SPECIFIES CIVIL PENALTY
ONLY AND ONLY FINES.
IF YOU REMOVE THE SPECIFIC REFERENCE TO THE -- SO NO
CRIMINAL CONNECTION THERE, RIGHT?
IT CAN'T BE MISINTERPRETED AS A CRIMINAL VIOLATION.
THE PORTION OF CODE 23.5-5 IS JUST CIVIL VIOLATIONS.
IF YOU ELIMINATE THAT SPECIFIC LANGUAGE, IT BECOMES MORE
VAGUE AND REFERENCES BACK TO A PORTION OF CODE THAT COULD
INCLUDE A MISDEMEANOR.
YOU MAY INADVERTENTLY ACTUALLY BE CHANGING THE ORDINANCE TO
INCLUDE MISDEMEANORS IF YOU INCLUDE NO REFERENCE TO
PENALTIES WHATSOEVER.
2:22:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
THEN I WOULD SAY A WARNING.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE MY PENALTY IS WE GIVE A WARNING, A
VERBAL OR A WRITTEN WARNING.
2:22:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A WARNING OF WHAT?
2:22:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TO NOT DO IT.
AGAIN, THE WHOLE POINT IS TO NOT BRING PEOPLE INTO THE
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, CIVIL AND CRIMINAL.
SO THE POINT IS --
2:23:11PM >> -- OTHER PUBLIC MEMBERS AND PLEASE NOT EXPOSE THEM TO

SECOND HAND SMOKE.
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2:23:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE --
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2:24:41PM >>LUIS VIERA:
-- QUOTE BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN, TAKE A WRONG TURN
AND KEEP GOING.
I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ON THAT.
WHEN SOMEBODY SHARES FROM THE HEART SOMETHING PERSONAL AS
CHARLIE MIRANDA, I APPRECIATE THAT.
I REALLY DO.
YOU KNOW MY SENTIMENTS AND REGARDS.
BUT THANK YOU.
2:24:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
2:24:59PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I WAS JUST THINKING, THIS IS REALLY ALSO A
MARKETING ISSUE, WHICH IS TIED TO A BUDGET WHERE WE NEED TO
CREATE SIGNS THAT INDICATE THAT PARKS ARE SMOKE-FREE AND
MAYBE INVOLVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IN THAT AND JUST REALLY
INFORM OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY THAT OUR PARKS ARE SMOKE-FREE IS
WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT IN THE MARKETING ASPECT OF IT.
2:25:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
2:25:32PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CLENDENIN AND MIRANDA
VOTING NO.

2:25:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NOW YOUR SECOND MOTION.
2:25:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT WAS.
2:25:42PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THIS IS GOING TO SAVE US TIME, IF I MAY.
I'VE SPOKEN WITH CHIEF TRIPP AND MS. FEELEY ON ITEM NUMBER
63.
FOR PURPOSES OF TIME, BECAUSE WE WENT IN TODAY AROUND 4 AND
I DON'T WANT -- WE WANT TO END AROUND 4.
ON DECEMBER 5, I HAVE A REPORT THAT I'M GOING TO MOVE AT THE
END OF THE MEETING TO WRITTEN REPORT.
AND THEN IF I MAY, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEM NUMBER 63 TO
DECEMBER 5 TO SAVE US TIME.
2:26:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
63 HAS BEEN CONTINUED TO DECEMBER 5 UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
AND THEN YOU'LL MAKE A FOLLOW-UP MOTION TO MAKE ONE OF THEM
A WRITTEN SO WE DON'T BEND THE RULES.
ITEM NUMBER 58 AND 59.
MR. BHIDE.
2:26:42PM >>VIK BHIDE:
AFTERNOON CHAIR AND COUNCIL.
VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
HERE TO ADDRESS ITEMS 58 AND 59.
A MEMO TO THAT EFFECT HAD BEEN SUBMITTED BY BRAD BAIRD,
DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR.
THIS ITEM AND WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY IS A DESIGN TASK

AS PART OF A DESIGN-BUILD CONTRACT TO PROCEED WITH THE SOUTH
HOWARD FLOODING RELIEF PROJECT.
I'D LIKE TO PRESENT A COUPLE OF THINGS BEFORE WE GET INTO
THE DISCUSSION TODAY.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS
PROJECT.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONCERNS.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF REAL ANXIETY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
I'D LIKE TO BEGIN BY PRESENTING WHAT WE PRESENTED ON
NOVEMBER 18 EARLIER THIS WEEK TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND THEN I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT
WERE EXPRESSED TODAY BY THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, BY THE
COMMUNITY AT-LARGE IN PARKLAND ESTATES AND PALMA CEIA AND
OTHER NEIGHBORS AS WELL.
IF I MAY, I'M GOING TO USE --
2:27:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED, MR. BHIDE?
2:27:59PM >>VIK BHIDE:
I NEED ABOUT SEVEN MINUTES.
IT WOULDN'T BE VERY LONG, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO USE THE ELMO.
THIS IS FOR THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOODING RELIEF PROJECT.
A REAL QUICK DESCRIPTION OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE WATERSHED.
THE WATERSHED IS FROM PALMA CEIA PINES DOWN TO BAYSHORE AND
INCLUDES PARKLAND ESTATES, NEW SUBURB BEAUTIFUL, BAYSHORE
BEAUTIFUL.
THIS IN PARTICULAR IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS

PROJECT.
TO INCREASE THE DRAINAGE CAPACITY OF THE WATERSHED BY FIVE
TIMES.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT SAID ABOUT HOW MANY INCHES, WHAT
YEAR STORMS AND ALL THAT.
BUT TO SIMPLIFY IT, WE'RE EXPANDING THE CAPACITY OF DRAINAGE
FIVE TIMES.
SO WHETHER IT'S STORMS, WHETHER IT'S HURRICANES, WHETHER
IT'S MAJOR EVENTS, THIS PROJECT WILL BENEFIT THE WATERSHED
AND HELP REDUCE OR ELIMINATE STRUCTURAL FLOODING, HOMES AND
BUSINESSES.
AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, WE'VE LOOKED AT MANY OPTIONS, BUT
I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THREE OPTIONS BECAUSE THESE WERE
DISCUSSED TODAY.
WHEN WE LOOK AT STORMWATER PROJECTS IN GENERAL, WE LOOK AT
PIPES OR CULVERTS.
CULVERT IS A FANCY NAME FOR A PIPE THAT MAY BE A DIFFERENT
SHAPE.
THAT IS THE PREFERRED OPTION.
IT IS THE MOST RESILIENT.
IT IS THE MOST COST-EFFICIENT, AND IT USES GRAVITY.
THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING WITH THIS PROJECT AS WELL.
IT'S ALSO THE MOST RESILIENT TO ALL SORTS OF EVENTS BECAUSE
PONDS MAY OVERFLOW AND THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THE WATER TO GO,

WHEREAS WITH CULVERTS, YOU HAVE AN OUTFALL AT ALL TIMES.
PONDS ARE ANOTHER SOLUTION.
WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS AS WELL.
YOU'RE GOING TO NEED A 25-ACRE POND TO PROVIDE THE TYPE OF
DRAINAGE CAPACITY.
25 FOOTBALL FIELDS BASICALLY.
THAT IS A VERY EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION IN THIS WATERSHED IN
PARTICULAR.
WE'LL LOOK AT THAT IN A SECOND.
PUMPS.
PUMPS ARE THE LEAST RESILIENT SOLUTION.
USUALLY UTILIZED IN A BASIN THAT IS CHALLENGED WHERE YOU MAY
HAVE TO PUMP SOMETHING BEYOND A CERTAIN POINT.
IT'S GOT HIGHER -- THE CAPACITY THAT YOU CAN BUILD --
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HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE BE LOCATED UNDER THOSE PROPERTIES.
IT'S NOT A VIABLE OPTION.
THREE PIPE CULVERT WITH POND OPTIONS WERE ALSO EXPLORED.
EARLIER, THAT POINT WAS MADE TODAY HAVE YOU EXPLORED A
COMBINATION.
WE DID.
IT WAS NOT THE MOST FEASIBLE, THE MOST VIABLE OPTION.
FIVE PUMP STATION WITH FORCE MAIN OPTIONS WERE EXPLORED AND
TWO OTHERS AS WELL.

SOME SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS WERE MENTIONED AND DISCUSSED TODAY
IN THE COMMENTS.
WE ARE RESURFACING PALMA CEIA PINES.
WE ISSUED NOTICES TO NEIGHBORS PRIOR TO THE STORMS.
THE STORMS HAVE, OF COURSE, DELAYED THAT.
THAT WILL INCLUDE REPROFILING OF THE ROADS, WHICH WILL
PROVIDE THAT SHORT-TERM BENEFIT WHICH WAS DOCUMENTED IN THE
REPORT.
THE OTHER ITEM THAT WAS DOCUMENTED IN THE JMT REPORT WAS THE
ALBANY POND AND IMPROVING THE CONNECTIVITY THERE.
THAT'S INCLUDED AS PART OF THE PROJECT.
THEA IS CONTRIBUTING $11 MILLION TO THIS PROJECT TO MITIGATE
SOME OF THE EXPRESSWAYS STORMWATER NEEDS.
AND THAT POINT OF CONNECTION IS THE ALBANY POND, AND THAT
WILL TIE INTO THE CULVERT SYSTEM ON HOWARD AVENUE.
THAT IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING, AND THAT IS PART OF THIS
PROJECT AS WELL.
JUST A VISUAL OF HOW BIG THAT POND WOULD HAVE TO BE.
IT WOULD BE LOCATED IN PARKLAND ESTATES, WHICH IS THE LOW
POINT.
IT WOULD BASICALLY TAKE UP MOST OF PARKLAND ESTATES.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE 25-ACRE POND SOLUTION.
THAT IS A LOT OF REAL ESTATE.
THIS IS WHAT IS IN THE CONTRACT IN FRONT OF YOU AFTER
EXTENSIVE ENGAGEMENT.

A REVIEW OF THREE POTENTIAL ROUTE OPTIONS THAT CONNECT TO
SOUTH HOWARD AVENUE.
THE BOX BELOW THE CSX LINE, LEVERAGE THE BOX AND OUTFALL AT
BAYSHORE SO NEITHER HAS TO BE RECONSTRUCTED AND THE
DIFFERENT ROUTE.
AND THESE THREE OPTIONS WOULD BE SUBJECT TO DESIGN AND
DISCUSSION.
I'LL TOUCH UPON THAT IN A SECOND.
WE BELIEVE THAT THIS PROJECT WILL MITIGATE STRUCTURAL
FLOODING THAT WE SAW FROM MILTON.
THAT LEVEL OF INTENSITY, THERE WILL STILL BE STREET FLOODING
BUT IT WILL MITIGATE FLOODING INTO PEOPLE'S HOMES, INTO
PEOPLE'S BUSINESSES.
THIS IS WELL CONSIDERED AND WELL STUDIED.
I'M GOING TO TOUCH UPON BUSINESSES SUPPORTING OUR BUSINESSES
ON HOWARD AND A LOT OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE HAVE MADE
TOWARDS THAT BECAUSE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD TODAY
IS MAYBE WE HAVE NOT GIVEN ENOUGH THOUGHT TO THIS.
MAYBE WE HAVEN'T DONE AS MUCH HOME WORK AS WE NEED TO OVER
THE LAST SEVEN YEARS ACROSS THREE CONSULTANT STUDIES AND
SIGNIFICANT CONSIDERATION.
SO THE TEAM HAS DONE A LOT OF DUE DILIGENCE, AND OUR TEAM IS
HERE TODAY.
OUR CHIEF ENGINEER IS HERE.
OUR STORMWATER MANAGER.

THE CONSULTANT AS WELL AS THE CONTRACTOR KIMMINS ARE HERE
JOINED BY US, ALONG WITH OUR ADMINISTRATOR, JEAN DUNCAN.
I'D LIKE TO START BY SAYING ON THE DILIGENCE, THIS WILL NOT
BE SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
THIS IS NOT THAT PROJECT.
WE'VE LEARNED FROM THAT PROJECT.
THIS WILL NOT BE IT.
WE'VE DONE A THOROUGH CONSTRUCTABILITY REVIEW, AND OUR
CONTRACTOR IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS RELATIVE TO
THAT.
OUR TEAM HAS WALKED THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR, MET EVERY SINGLE
BUSINESS.
TALKED TO THEM, SHARED INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROJECTS.
WE'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH THE BUSINESS ALLIANCE, BERN'S AND
OTHER STAKEHOLDERS AS WELL, AND OUR DESIGN CRITERIA PACKET
BEFORE THE RFQ WAS ISSUED WAS DEVELOPED BY EXPERTS ALSO.
ON BUSINESS DELIVERIES, OUR PARKING DEPARTMENT WORKS IN
SOHO, DOWNTOWN, YBOR, SOUTH HOWARD, HYDE PARK, EVERYWHERE.
WE ARE VERY, VERY FAMILIAR AND WILL BE TAKING EVERY CARE TO
ENSURE THAT DELIVERIES ARE MADE APPROPRIATELY.
MOST DELIVERIES HAPPEN WITH A TRUCK ON THE STREET AND CARTS
THAT EMPTY -- OR CARTS THAT DELIVER EITHER DRINKS OR FOOD
INTO THE RESTAURANTS AND FACILITIES.
THAT WILL BE MANAGED BY OUR CONTRACTOR.
THEY HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE IN THE URBAN ENVIRONMENTS.

WE'RE AWARE OF IT.
THROUGH THE PHASING OF THE PROJECT, THERE WILL BE IMPACTS
AND DISRUPTIONS.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT.
BUT YOU'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT AN 18-WHEELER OR A BOX TRUCK
OR WHATEVER FORM FACTOR THAT IS, A BLOCK OR TWO AWAY FROM
THE BUSINESS THAT IS IMPACTED FOR FIVE TO SEVEN WEEKS.
SO THAT IS THE EXTENT FROM A DELIVERY STANDPOINT THAT WE
ANTICIPATE FOR THE MOST PART.
I SAY FOR THE MOST PART BECAUSE THERE ARE ALWAYS EXCEPTIONS.
I KNOW EPICUREAN WAS MENTIONED AND BERN'S EARLIER TODAY.
I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THE EPICUREAN HAS TWO DIFFERENT
ENTRANCES.
THOSE ENTRANCES ARE CONNECTED ON THE INTERNAL PART.
OUR PHASING ANTICIPATES TO HAVE ONE OF THESE ENTRANCES TO
THE EPICUREAN AVAILABLE AND OPEN TO CUSTOMERS AND DELIVERIES
AT ALL TIMES.
IT WON'T BE PERFECT.
BY NO MEANS WILL THIS PROJECT BE PERFECT.
IT IS DISRUPTIVE IN ITS NATURE GIVEN THAT BOX CULVERTS HAVE
TO BE BUILT DOWN NARROW SPACE, ABOUT YOU THAT OPPORTUNITY
WILL BE AVAILABLE.
ON PATRON ACCESS, GOLF CARTS ARE JUST ONE OPTION THAT THE
CONTRACTOR WILL EXERCISE.
AND ANY OTHER CREATIVE IDEAS THERE ARE.

BUT WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE SIDEWALK ACCESS AVAILABLE FOR OUR
PATRONS.
FOR THE PARKING LOTS FOR THE PATRONS, MOST BUSINESSES ON
HOWARD, MOST BUSINESSES HAVE ACCESS FROM SIDE STREETS TO THE
PARKING LOTS.
SOME DO NOT, AND WE WILL WORK WITH THEM, BUT THIS IS MOST
BUSINESSES ALONG SOUTH HOWARD.
AND THE GREEN IS IF IT HAS SOME SORT OF ACCESS EITHER
THROUGH AN ALLEY OR A SIDE STREET.
WE WILL TAKE CARE OF LIGHTING.
WE WILL TAKE CARE OF TRAILBLAZING AND WORK THROUGH THAT WITH
ALL OF THE BUSINESSES TO MAKE SURE PATRONS KNOW WHERE THE
BUSINESSES ARE THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION AND THEY HAVE ACCESS
TO IT PROPERLY.
CONSTRUCTION MEANS WILL ALSO BE MODIFIED AND KIMMINS CAN
SPEAK TO THAT TO PROVIDE FASTER, SHORTER SEGMENTS IN THE
MOST CRITICAL LOCATIONS.
TYPICALLY YOU HAVE STAGING.
YOU HAVE RESTORATION, AND YOU HAVE ACTIVE CONSTRUCTION GOING
ON.
THAT ONE OR TWO OF THOSE ELEMENTS CAN BE REMOVED IN CERTAIN
CRITICAL AREAS TO MOVE THROUGH THERE A LITTLE BIT FASTER.
SO THAT IS AVAILABLE WITHIN THE CONTRACT.
THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT MAINTENANCE OF TRAFFIC PLAN INCLUDING
EARLY WORKS THAT WILL RESURFACE SIDE STREETS, THAT WILL TRIM

TREES TO ACCOMMODATE FOR TRUCKS AND BETTER ACCESS.
SOLID WASTE, FIRE, AND POLICE WERE MENTIONED.
WE'VE COORDINATED WITH ALL OF THEM.
THESE ARE CITY DEPARTMENTS AFTER ALL.
ALL OF THEM WERE PRESENT IN OUR FEBRUARY MEETING WITH THE
SOHO BUSINESS ALLIANCE AND BERN'S AND EPICUREAN THAT
HAPPENED AT THE EPICUREAN.
THEY WERE THERE.
WE WILL, OF COURSE, FOLLOW ALL OF THE APPROPRIATE RULES
THROUGH THIS CONSTRUCTION PROCESS AS THE PROJECT MOVES
FORWARD.
WE HEARD FROM SERVERS TODAY.
WE HEARD FROM PEOPLE IN THE SERVICE INDUSTRY.
I KNOW SOME OF THEM ARE HERE TODAY.
WE ARE VERY, VERY SENSITIVE TO THAT ALSO.
WE UNDERSTAND.
BY NO MEANS DO WE UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS AS MUCH AS THEY
DO OR THEIR BUSINESS OWNERS DO, BUT WE'RE THE SAME TEAM THAT
THROUGH COVID AND THAT INDUSTRY FACED A LOT OF CHALLENGES
THROUGH COVID THAT SHUT DOWN STREETS TO EXPAND CAPACITY FOR
RESTAURANTS AND BUSINESSES.
WE'RE THE SAME TEAM THAT CAME UP WITH CREATIVE RULES FOR
PARKLETS AND SIDEWALK CAFES.
SOME OF THOSE RULES THAT WE'VE EXTENDED PAST COVID AND ARE
STILL TO THIS DAY AVAILABLE TO RESTAURANTS.

WE WILL WORK WITH THEM WITH EVERYTHING IN OUR MEANS.
WE WILL SUPPORT BUSINESSES ON HOWARD.
WE WILL WORK ON PROGRAMS LIKE SHOP HOWARD, SIMILAR TO SHOP
GANDY.
IN TOUCH WITH GREG SLATER OF THEA, THEY HAD A VERY
SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM.
A COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP.
YOU HEARD FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS TODAY, COMMITTED TO
PATRONIZING THESE BUSINESSES AS WELL.
WORKING WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, WORKING WITH CITY
DEPARTMENTS AND WORKING WITH ANY OTHER INSTITUTIONS TO
ENSURE THAT WE CAN ALL COME TOGETHER, WORK TOGETHER THROUGH
THIS IMPORTANT PROJECT, THROUGH THIS CRITICAL NEED.
IN TERMS OF TIMING, WE'VE HEARD THAT THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY
HAS ASKED FOR 120 DAYS TO COORDINATE ON THE DESIGN.
THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT TO COORDINATE ON WHAT OTHER OPTIONS
THERE ARE.
IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE THE DESIGNER ON BOARD FOR THE
SAME.
THAT'S THE TASK IN FRONT OF COUNCIL TODAY IS A DESIGN
CONTRACT.
AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS WE HAVE ABOUT TWO YEARS TO
PLAN.
THE DESIGN PROCESS WILL TAKE ABOUT A YEAR.
THERE IS A YEAR OF EARLY WORKS AS WELL, WHICH WILL HAVE A

FULL LANE ON HOWARD OPEN.
SO THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME TO WORK TOGETHER AND PLAN THIS OUT
AND UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN ALL HELP EACH OTHER TO PROVIDE
THIS FLOOD MITIGATION IN THE AREA.
AND ON THAT NOTE, I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE THAT WE HAVE
DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE.
IF THERE WERE BETTER ROUTES OR IF THERE WERE BETTER OPTIONS,
WE DON'T HAVE ANY VESTED INTEREST AS PUBLIC SERVANTS NOT TO
PUT THOSE FORTH.
IT'S IN THE CHARTER AND WE TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.
PUBLIC SAFETY AND WELFARE IS WHAT WE DO.
AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LONG TERM OVER THREE GENERATIONS
AND THE NEEDS OF THREE GENERATIONS, BALANCING THEM WITH REAL
CHALLENGES WITH BUSINESS ACCESS.
BUT WE'VE DONE OUR HOMEWORK.
WE'VE GOT A GREAT TEAM ON BOARD.
THEY ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY ON THIS, AND WE
WILL WORK WITH THEM.
I'LL JUST END BY SAYING, WHAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU AGAIN IS A
DESIGN TASK.
YOU'RE GOING TO GET ANOTHER BITE AT THE APPLE IN LOOKING AT
THE CONSTRUCTION ASPECT OF THIS.
BUT HAVING OUR DESIGNERS ON BOARD WILL ALLOW US TO BETTER
ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY, BETTER ENGAGE THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.
IF THEY HAVE EXPERTS AND THEY HAVE ENGINEERS WITH IDEAS, IT

IS OUR DESIGNERS THAT ULTIMATELY NEED TO WORK WITH THEM TO
REALLY GET US TO DELIVER THIS PROJECT.
SO I WILL END WITH THAT AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY
QUESTIONS.
2:43:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THAT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION.
MR. BHIDE, THE FIRST OF THE FLOODED HOMES THAT I VISITED
WERE IN PALMA CEIA PINES ON HABANA.
PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE.
I WENT INTO SEVERAL HOMES WITH THE DRYWALL CUT OUT AND THE
FLOOR TORN OUT.
AGAIN, I'VE BEEN HERE MY WHOLE LIFE.
I CAN'T REMEMBER A TIME WHEN THAT AREA NORTH OF SWANN
FLOODED.
I UNDERSTAND HOWARD, SWANN, AREAS SOUTH OF THERE, BUT THESE
HOUSES HAVE FLOODED.
WE WALK THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS IS WITHOUT ANY PEOPLE FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA, MY
LEGISLATIVE AIDE AND I WENT THERE AFTER THE MEETING.
AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE STORMWATER INLETS AT ONE OF
THE -- YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE INTERSECTIONS.
I'M LOOKING AT IT AND I CAN'T SEE WHERE THE WATER WOULD FLOW
TO.
YOU TALKED ABOUT REPAVING AND GRADING.
WE LOOKED AT THE STORMWATER RETENTION POND THAT WAS UNDER

ONE OF THE PARKING LOTS.
WE LOOKED AT A DEAD END AREA THAT WAS FENCED OFF.
AND WITH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS WE GO, LOOK AT THIS.
IT'S NOT EVEN KEPT UP.
IT'S NOT CLEAN.
THE WATER HAS REALLY -- IT'S A DESIGN FLAW.
I LOOK AT PARKLAND SOUTH OF SWANN AND NORTH OF SWANN AS TWO
DIFFERENT ENTITIES.
WHY CAN'T WE DO IMMEDIATE SHORT-TERM FIXES TO THE PALMA CEIA
PINES?
I HAD THIS DISCUSSION WITH THE PREVIOUS MAYOR.
LOOK, THE ASPHALT IS TOO HIGH.
THE WATER CAN'T FLOW INTO THE STORM DRAINS.
STORM DRAINS AREN'T CLEAN.
THIS WATER GOES INTO A DEAD END AND NOT EVEN CONNECTING TO
THE STORMWATER POND.
TO ME, NOT THE ENGINEER, WE'RE THE FINANCE PEOPLE AT THIS
POINT BECAUSE YOU'RE ASKING US FOR ALMOST $8 MILLION TODAY.
WHY CAN'T WE IMMEDIATELY ADDRESS THAT NEIGHBORHOOD NOW?
IT DOES NOT -- I WENT OVER THIS CONTRACT THE OTHER DAY.
I WENT OVER IT AGAIN.
AND I WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION, WAS PALMA CEIA PINES
CONSIDERED BEFORE MILTON?
BECAUSE THE CONTRACT ONLY TALKS ABOUT SOUTH OF SWANN.
THE PEOPLE ARE HERE.

MANY PEOPLE FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HERE.
IT'S GOING TO RAIN AGAIN.
RIGHT NOW, HURRICANE SEASON IS OVER.
IT RAINED A LITTLE BIT YESTERDAY AND I WAS TERRIFIED GOING,
IT'S GOING TO RAIN ON WEDNESDAY RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING.
IT'S GOING TO RAIN WEDNESDAY.
UP ALL NIGHT WAITING ON THIS RAIN.
THE RAINY SEASON IS GOING TO START AGAIN THIS SUMMER.
WHAT CAN WE DO FOR THEM TODAY?
I'VE BEEN IN THOSE HOUSES?
IF YOU LOOK AT THE CURBS, THEIR ENTIRE LIFE IS OUT -- YOU
KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THE DEBRIS HAS BEEN PICKED UP
BECAUSE I WOULD DRIVE THROUGH THERE AT LEAST TWICE A DAY
UNTIL MY WIFE FINALLY SAID ENOUGH.
IT'S 10:00 ON A SATURDAY NIGHT.
STOP.
BECAUSE I CARE.
WHAT CAN WE DO FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD NOW?
BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO START RAINING IN JUNE AND JULY.
WE GET THE HEAVY AFTERNOON RAINS.
REGARDLESS OF THE PROJECT, AGAIN, I NEVER SAW THAT AREA
FLOOD UNTIL MILTON.
YES, IT WAS A HURRICANE, BUT WHEN PEOPLE TELL ME NO, WHEN
THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION TOLD ME NO, WHEN WE PASSED THIS
ORIGINAL STORMWATER ASSESSMENT, IT'S EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING.

IT'S, THIS IS THE WAY TO DO IT.
THIS IS THE WAY TO DO IT.
EVERYTHING WAS NO.
I'M NOT THAT STUPID THAT I CAN'T FIGURE OUT COMMON SENSE
GOING THE WATER HAS NOWHERE TO FLOW TO.
PARKLAND ESTATES IS DIFFERENT.
IT ACTS AS A BASIN.
I SAW THE VIDEOS FLOWING DOWN ARMENIA AND OTHER STREETS FROM
PALMA CEIA PINES INTO PARKLAND, FLOODING THOSE.
I'VE BEEN IN THOSE HOUSES TOO. THAT IS ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD
GOING IN TWICE A DAY UNTIL THEY GET THEIR DEBRIS PICKED UP.
WE HEARD FROM PEOPLE TODAY ON HOWARD AVENUE ABOUT THEIR
BUSINESSES BEING AFFECTED.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY EMPLOYEES, A THOUSAND, 1700, 2,500.
I'VE HEARD SO MANY NUMBERS.
THIS IS A MAJORLY IMPACTFUL PROJECT.
I KNOW IT'S NOT EASY.
WE TALKED ABOUT 120 DAY CONTINUANCE.
YOU SAY NO.
IF WE APPROVE THIS TODAY, THE DESIGN-BUILD, IT GOES INTO
THAT SAME TIMELINE.
YOU ALLOW THE DESIGN TO HAPPEN.
BUT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, ONCE WE APPROVE A DESIGN-BUILD
AND YES, THERE ARE OTHER BITES AT THE APPLE, THE SHIP HAS
SAILED.

WE CAN'T CANCEL THE PROJECT.
MAYBE THE MAYOR CAN CANCEL A CONTRACT.
BUT IT'S A POINT OF NO RETURN.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS, YOU HAVE STORMWATER ENGINEERS.
I RESPECT ALL OF YOU.
YOU'VE HAD MULTIPLE OPINIONS.
BUT I REMEMBER A STORY -- I'LL CLOSE WITH THIS -- I MET A
MAN WHO HAD A BRAIN TUMOR.
THE REASON THE CONVERSATION CAME UP, BECAUSE HE WENT TO A
NEUROSURGEON, LAST NAME MANISCALCO.
HE SAID NOBODY WANTED TO OPERATE ON ME.
EVERY SPECIALIST SAYS, THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO.
NOTHING I CAN DO UNTIL DR. MANISCALCO WAS ABLE TO OPERATE
AND I'M ALIVE TODAY.
NOW THIS HAS BEEN 20 YEARS AND THE MAN IS STILL ALIVE.
HE WENT TO THE EXPERTS BUT HE GOT DIFFERENT OPINIONS.
WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES 120 DAYS MAKE ON
SOMETHING OF THIS MAGNITUDE?
YOU'RE ASKING US, COULD BE 65 MILLION-DOLLAR TOTAL.
COULD BE MORE.
TODAY ASKING FOR $7.7 MILLION.
WHY CAN'T WE GET OTHER OPINIONS?
WHY CAN'T WE ADDRESS PALMA CEIA PINES RIGHT NOW?
I THINK THAT IS THE EASIEST PART OF THE PROJECT.
2:48:39PM >>VIK BHIDE:
I HEARD THREE THINGS.

WHY CAN'T WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT PALMA CEIA PINES RIGHT NOW.
I HEARD HAS PALMA CEIA PINES BEEN CONSIDERED AS PART OF THIS
PROJECT BEFORE MILTON.
AND THE THIRD IS THE 120 DAY CONTINUANCE.
I'LL START WITH HAS PALMA CEIA PINES BEEN CONSIDERED BEFORE
MILTON?
ON THE ELMO RIGHT NOW IS THE FIRST PAGE OF THE JMT REPORT
THAT SHOWS WHAT THE WATERSHED IS.
THIS IS A GRAVITY SYSTEM, MEANING YOU HAVE PALMA CEIA PINES
ON TOP.
THEN YOU'VE GOT PARKLAND ESTATES.
THEN YOU'VE GOT NEW SUBURB BEAUTIFUL, BAYSHORE BEAUTIFUL AND
BAYSHORE.
THIS IS A SHEET FLOW GRAVITY SYSTEM THAT'S BEEN THAT WAY DUE
TO THE GEOLOGY AND HYDROLOGY OF THE AREA.
SO WHEN YOU INCREASE THE DRAINAGE BY FIVE TIMES FROM
PARKLAND ESTATES ON DOWN, WHAT IT CREATES IS THE OPPORTUNITY
THAT MANY TIMES OVER, UP TO THE CAPACITY OF THE 36-INCH PIPE
ON AUDUBON FOR FLOWS FROM PALMA CEIA INTO PARKLAND ESTATES
TO THE OUTFALL.
SO THERE IS A DIRECT BENEFIT BY DOING JUST THAT.
THERE IS NOTHING IN THIS CONTRACT THAT PRECLUDES US AS PART
OF THE DESIGN PROCESS FROM UPPING THE SIZE OF THE 36-INCH
PIPE TO PALMA CEIA PINES AS WELL.
SO THAT IS PART OF THIS ALSO.

PALMA CEIA PINES HAS BEEN CONSIDERED FROM DAY ONE.
A LOT OF THE INITIAL ENGAGEMENT AFTER THE 2015 FLOODING WAS
DONE WITH PARKLAND ESTATES, ADMITTEDLY SO.
THROUGH THE PLANNING STAGES.
BUT THIS IMPACTS THE WATERSHED.
AND PALMA CEIA PINES IS PART OF THE WATERSHED.
OUR COMMITMENT IS TO ADDRESS STRUCTURAL FLOODING IN PALMA
CEIA PINES AND PARKLAND AND THE ENTIRE WATERSHED FOR THE
METRICS THAT WE SAID.
THE OTHER PART OF IT WAS, WHAT ARE THE SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS
FOR PALMA CEIA PINES.
WHY CAN'T WE DO ANYTHING RIGHT NOW?
SO THE JMT REPORT DOES MENTION THAT WE NEED TO PAVE AND
REPROFILE THE STREETS.
WE ARE GOING TO PAVE AND REPROFILE THE STREETS IN PALMA CEIA
PINES.
AS OUR IN-HOUSE PAVING TEAMS WERE DOING HOWARD AND ARMENIA,
PALMA CEIA PINES IS JUST TO THE WEST OF THAT.
THAT'S WHERE KIND OF THAT WATERSHED BEGINS, WE HAD NOTICED
THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE WOULD BE PAVING THERE.
THEN WE GOT THE STORMS.
SO THAT WHOLE TIMELINE HAS SHIFTED BUT SHIFTED BY MONTHS AND
NOT MORE THAN THAT.
SO WE WILL BE OUT THERE PAVING.
THAT WILL INCLUDE REPROFILING, INCORPORATING SOME OF THE JMT

REPORT RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CHANNEL THAT WATER BETTER.
AS FAR AS THE EXISTING SYSTEM AT THE AMI POND AND ITS
DESIGN, THE DESIGN YOU MENTIONED WAS NOT RIGHT.
I WOULD SAY THE DESIGN IS JUST ANTIQUATED RELATIVE TO OUR
NEEDS.
THE DESIGN IS FROM DECADES AGO.
THE POND IS A VAULT BUILT DECADES AGO.
IS IT SUFFICIENT?
IT'S NOT.
THAT'S ALSO ON THE FIRST PAGE OF THE JMT REPORT.
THAT FOR THIS WATERSHED, THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM IS NOT
SUFFICIENT AND THE OUTFALL IS NOT SUFFICIENT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE FOR HERE.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK TOWARDS.
ON THE 120-DAY CONTINUANCE, I DIDN'T REFUSE OR SAY THAT WE
SHOULDN'T DO IT.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE DESIGN IS GOING TO TAKE ONE YEAR.
THERE IS ONE YEAR TO DO EARLY WORKS WHEN ONE FULL LANE ON
HOWARD IS AVAILABLE AS UTILITIES ARE BEING RELOCATED, WATER,
WASTEWATER, OTHERS.
WE HAVE THAT MUCH TIME AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DESIGN.
SO LET'S HAVE THE DESIGNER ON BOARD TO SUPPORT THESE
CONVERSATIONS.
WE'RE ALREADY PROVIDING FOR RESOURCES IN THIS CONTRACT FOR
EXACTLY THAT.

SO ANOTHER FEW STAKEHOLDERS ARE WELCOME TO THIS
CONVERSATION.
THAT'S OUR GOAL.
2:52:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ONE LAST QUESTION.
IF WE APPROVE THIS TODAY AND THE DESIGN -- EVERYTHING GOES
ON SCHEDULE, THE PROJECT BEGINS AT BAYSHORE AND IT GOES
NORTH.
2:53:07PM >>VIK BHIDE:
CORRECT.
2:53:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LET'S SAY IT TAKES THREE YEARS OR FOUR
YEARS.
LET'S SAY THREE TO FOUR YEARS.
IT DOESN'T END AT SWANN UNTIL THE END OF THE PROJECT AND
THEN IT IS ALL COMPLETED, CORRECT?
2:53:23PM >>VIK BHIDE:
CORRECT.
I WOULD LIKE TO CAVEAT THAT.
THERE WILL BE WORK ALONG HOWARD AVENUE AND SIDE STREETS THAT
HAPPEN WELL BEFORE THAT.
THE EARLY WORK.
2:53:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU MENTIONED THE REPAVING AND GRADING
OF PALMA CEIA PINES.
WHEN DOES THAT TAKE PLACE?
2:53:37PM >>VIK BHIDE:
RIGHT NOW.
WITHIN MONTHS.
2:53:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BECAUSE THEY ARE SITTING BEHIND YOU.
THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, WE WANT IT NOW.

I MEAN, IT'S STRUCTURAL, PHYSICAL, PSYCHOLOGICAL DAMAGE.
2:53:51PM >>VIK BHIDE:
ABSOLUTELY.
2:53:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'M NOT AFFECTED BY IT BUT YESTERDAY IT
WAS GOING TO RAIN AND I SAID WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NOW?
THANKFULLY NOTHING HAPPENED.
BUT THE RAINY SEASON WILL BE HERE COME THIS SUMMER.
I DON'T WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE FALSE HOPE.
THREE TO FOUR YEARS, AFTER YOU GO THROUGH THREE SUMMER
STORMS, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, AFTER YOUR HOUSE REPEATEDLY FLOODS
BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS NO, WE CAN'T DO THIS OTHER THAN PAVE
YOUR ROAD, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE FALSE HOPE.
PEOPLE COME TO US LOOKING FOR HELP AS CITY COUNCIL, OUR
HANDS ARE I DON'T WANT TO SAY TIED BUT WE CAN'T KEEP SAYING,
WELL, YOU KNOW, WELL, YOU KNOW.
THEY WANT SOLUTIONS.
THEY ARE PAYING A FORTUNE OUT OF POCKET.
I'LL JUST KEEP TALKING AND GO TO OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS.
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, YOU ASKED TO BE RECOGNIZED FIRST
AND WHOEVER ELSE.
2:54:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE IN THE CITY AND THEIR
RESPONSIVENESS TO THIS COMPLEX ISSUE.
LIKE CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO, I'VE ALSO BEEN IN THESE HOMES AND
I'VE SEEN THE ISSUES THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN BOTH OF THE
NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED.

CLEARLY, THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT IS DECADES IN THE MAKING.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE RESOLVED OVERNIGHT IN
SPITE OF I THINK PEOPLES WISHES AND DESIRES.
WE CAN POINT FINGERS BACKWARDS AT FORMER LEADERS AND FORMER
OFFICIALS THAT MAY BE EITHER -- DIDN'T HAVE THE POLITICAL
COURAGE TO STAND UP AND DO SOMETHING OR JUST FOR WHATEVER
REASON IT DID NOT HAPPEN.
ALL WE CAN DO IS DEAL WITH THE CIRCUMSTANCES WE HAVE IN
FRONT OF US TODAY.
WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN NEGATIVELY IMPACTED BY
FRESHWATER FLOODING IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AND OTHERS.
WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TODAY, BUT THERE
ARE OTHER AREAS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
HONESTLY, EVERY ONE OF OUR COUNCIL DISTRICTS HAVE
EXPERIENCED SOME DEGREE OF FRESHWATER FLOODING.
FROM DEVASTATION TO MINOR.
WE HAD THE CONVERSATION ABOUT VOTING ON EMPTY BOX.
NOT NECESSARILY WHAT IS INSIDE.
I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE CONTEXT.
YOU HEAR FROM EVERYBODY.
EVERYBODY WHO STOOD BEFORE US HAD FROM PERSPECTIVE, LIFE
EXPERIENCES, BUSINESS EXPERIENCES, HAD VALID CONCERNS.
IT IS A SHAME THAT IT GIVES A TONE OF US AGAINST THEM.
REALLY, IT'S EVERYBODY COMING TO THE TABLE WITH THEIR OWN
WANTS, NEEDS, DESIRES, HEARTACHE, FINANCIAL STRAINS, WHETHER

PERSONAL, BECAUSE I HAVE FOUND PERSONALLY FLOOD INSURANCE
DOES NOT COVER DAMAGES THAT YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO.
IT COSTS YOU A LOT OF MONEY OUT OF POCKET WHICH I'M DEALING
WITH MYSELF.
BECAUSE I HAD FLOOD DAMAGE.
SO EVERYBODY HAS THEIR PERSPECTIVE.
THAT'S WHY I HOPE EVERYBODY REALIZES REGARDLESS OF WHAT
NEIGHBORHOOD YOU LIVE IN, WHETHER YOU ARE A BUSINESS OR
HOMEOWNER, THE PEOPLE COMING BEFORE US TODAY ALL HAVE VALID
CONCERNS AND THEY JUST WANT TO BE HEARD BY THE SAME
GOVERNMENT THAT THEY PAY TAXES TO AND WE ALL PAY TAXES AND
ALL HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY.
I THINK SOMEBODY SAID WHAT DO YOU EXPECT OUT OF YOUR
GOVERNMENT?
PROVIDE YOU CLEAN WATER.
TAKE THE DIRTY WATER OUT OF YOUR HOUSE, TRASH PICKED UP AND
YOU WANT SAFETY AND SECURITY.
ALL THIS OTHER STUFF WE DO IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, WE
SHOULDN'T DO ANY OF IT UNTIL ALL OF THAT IS TAKEN CARE OF.
THAT IS THE BASIC FOUNDATION OF WHAT GOVERNMENT SHOULD DO.
I CIRCLE BACK TO THE CONTEXT I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE.
WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IN THIS PROJECT IS I THINK YOU ALL AND
YOUR CONSULTANTS SHOULD COME BACK WITH PROPOSALS ON LIKE
THREE PROPOSALS.
ONE PROPOSAL SHOULD INCLUDE A ROUTE THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE

HOWARD AVENUE.
ONE PROPOSAL SHOULD INCLUDE A ROUTE THAT DOES NOT GO THROUGH
PARKLAND ESTATES.
AND ONE PROPOSAL SHOULD INCLUDE A ROUTE THAT USES SWANN TO
REACH HOWARD AVENUE.
AND LOOK AT THOSE PROPOSALS.
I DON'T BELIEVE -- WE ALREADY PASSED THIS UNANIMOUSLY.
I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE PROPOSALS SHOULD INCLUDE BRISTOL
BECAUSE OF THE TREMENDOUS IMPACT IT WOULD HAVE ON BRISTOL
AVENUE.
THIS COUNCIL ALREADY EXPRESSED THAT DESIRE.
I THINK EVERY PROPOSAL THAT IS CREATED, NOT JUST -- BECAUSE
THE MILLION IS GOOD AND IT WILL RESOLVE SOME ISSUES.
THE SYSTEMIC ISSUES THAT WE HAVE SPECIFICALLY IN PALMA CEIA
PINES ALONG AZEELE, BUSINESSES AND HOMES ALONG THAT STREET.
WE NEED MORE OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I KNOW IT'S GOING TO COST MORE MONEY AND WE'LL HAVE TO FIND
THAT MONEY, OR BOND THAT MONEY, BUT I THINK THE PROPOSAL,
THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT HAS TO BE EXPANDED SO THAT WHEN
WE'RE ENGINEERING THIS VERY SIGNIFICANT MITIGATION PROCESS,
THAT PALMA CEIA PINES IS INCLUDED AS EQUAL PARTS OF THIS
EQUATION OF THIS WATERSHED OF TAKING THIS WATER FROM THESE
NEIGHBORHOODS TO AN OUTFALL.
I CONCUR WITH YOUR ASSESSMENTS ABOUT THE PONDS, POTENTIAL OF
OVERFLOWING AND OUTFALL OBVIOUSLY IS THE MOST DESIRABLE WAY

OF SHEDDING WATER OUT OF HERE, GETTING IT SOMEPLACE WHERE WE
HAVE AN ABILITY TO GET IT OFF OF THE GROUND.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
FRAME THE CONTEXT OF THIS APPROVAL FOR DESIGN-BUILD, THAT
THAT CONTEXT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THOSE THREE TYPES OF
EQUATIONS THAT WE'RE NOT USING BRISTOL, AND THAT ALL -- THAT
WE EXPAND THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT TO INCLUDE PALMA CEIA
PINES AND BEING ABLE TO GET THE WATER OUT OF THAT
NEIGHBORHOOD.
BECAUSE WHAT I FEAR IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'RE GOING
TO PUT IN PLACE FOR THE PARKLAND ESTATES PORTION THAT HAS
BEEN CONCEIVED, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ENGINEERED AND DESIGNED
TO FIT WELL WITH TAKING THE WATER OUT OF PALMA CEIA PINES.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCEPT, YOU GET THE WATER OUT AND STILL
SOMEPLACE TO FLOW.
BUT WE STILL HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE VOLUME IS SUFFICIENT TO
GET IT OFF THE LAND AND TO WHERE WE WANT IT TO GO.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD ASK FOR YOU.
I WOULD SUPPORT THIS PROCESS OF DESIGN-BUILD WITH THESE
CAVEATS.
3:00:14PM >>VIK BHIDE:
COUNCILMAN, POINT VERY WELL TAKEN.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WE'LL LOOK AT IT.
WE ALSO HEARD VERY CLEARLY FROM THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS
RELATIVE TO BRISTOL.

I JUST CAN'T MAKE A COMMITMENT UNTIL THE DESIGNERS DO THE
DESIGN AND FOLLOW THE PROCESS OF DISCOVERY BASED ON FACTS
AND EVIDENCE, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
BUT THAT WILL BE OUR GOAL.
THAT IS OUR COMMITMENT IS TO BRING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER
AND DELIVER A SOLUTION THAT WORKS FOR ALL WITH MOST
CONSIDERATIONS BEING FULFILLED.
ON A COUPLE OF THINGS YOU MENTIONED ABOUT LOOKING AT SWANN,
SWANN CONNECTING TO HOWARD IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE -- OKAY.
GOT IT.
PERFECT.
CLARIFICATION THERE APPRECIATED.
ALSO, I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION
FOR THIS PROJECT WAS MORRISON, BUT BECAUSE OF GRAND TREE
CONSIDERATIONS AND SHORT SEGMENT, IT WAS THEN MOVED TO
BRISTOL, BUT BECAUSE THERE ARE CONCERNS WITH BRISTOL, WE
LOOKED AT -- WE PUT ALL THREE OUT THERE AND SAID WE WOULD DO
THE DISCOVERY.
SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS VERY MUCH CONSISTENT WITH THAT, OF
LOOKING AT ALL OF THEM.
BUT I WANT TO ASSURE COUNCIL THAT WE ARE AWARE OF THE
COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS AROUND BRISTOL AND IF THERE'S ANY WAY
WE CAN DO ANOTHER ROUTE THAT WILL BE OUR GOAL, BUT THAT WILL
HAVE TO BE A FUNCTION OF THE DESIGN.
3:01:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE

REFERENCE THE ENGINEERS.
WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION.
IN MAKING THESE DETERMINATIONS, ENGINEERS COME FROM I WANT
TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B, HOW AM I GOING TO DO IT,
BULLDOZER, RIGHT?
STAFF COMES TO IT FROM ANOTHER TYPE OF PERSPECTIVE AND THEN
YOU HAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE BUSINESSES AND THEN YOU
HAVE THE POLITICIANS.
IT'S UP TO THE POLITICIANS TO KIND OF THROW ALL OF THOSE
THINGS ONTO A SCALE AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT MEETS
EVERYBODY'S NEEDS.
I GET THE FACT THAT WE WANT TO RELY ON THE CONSULTANTS AND
ENGINEERS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO GIVE EQUAL WEIGHT TO ALL THE
COMPONENTS.
3:02:24PM >>VIK BHIDE:
ABSOLUTELY.
I APPRECIATE YOUR KIND OF UNIFYING MESSAGE HERE ON THAT.
3:02:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. SHELBY, DID YOU WANT TO GO BEFORE
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON?
3:02:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, BECAUSE IT'S COME UP AS A RESULT OF
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN'S DISCUSSION.
TWO PEOPLE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT REFERENCED A PRIOR MOTION
OF COUNCIL.
I BELIEVE IT WAS MADE IN JUNE.
THAT WAS A SPECIFIC OFFICIAL DIRECTION OF COUNCIL AT THAT
TIME, AND THAT MOTION IS STILL OUT THERE.

SO I'M CONCERNED THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE -- THAT MOTION NEEDS
TO BE ADDRESSED BEFORE YOU TAKE UP THIS MOTION BECAUSE I
BELIEVE THEY ARE CONTRARY.
3:03:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WELL, I THINK THAT MOTION STILL STANDS,
AND THAT WAS MY REITERATION OF BASICALLY RESTATING IT WHEN I
WAS TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUES.
THAT STILL STANDS, IF THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL.
3:03:23PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF IT STANDS, THEN WHAT'S BEING BROUGHT TO
YOU OUT OF ORDER?
3:03:27PM >>VIK BHIDE:
IF I COULD ADDRESS THAT, CHAIR, SO I DON'T
BELIEVE IT IS BECAUSE WHAT IS IN FRONT OF COUNCIL RIGHT NOW
INCLUDES OPTIONS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE MOTION.
THE MOTION WAS TO PRECLUDE A CERTAIN ROUTE.
AND WHAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU ARE OPTIONS THAT DO THAT ITSELF.
ALL I'M SAYING --
3:03:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TO GIVE YOU MY TAKE ON THIS AND LEGAL AND
MR. BHIDE, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
STAFF HAS COME FORWARD WITH A PROPOSAL FOR DESIGN-BUILD ON
THIS PROJECT.
PREVIOUSLY, THIS COUNCIL PASSED A MOTION WITH GUIDANCE IN
REFERENCE TO THE ONE ROUTE, SAYING AGAINST THE BRISTOL
ROUTE.
THAT STILL STANDS, SO THIS REQUEST FROM STAFF, THE PROPOSALS
THAT WILL COME THROUGH WILL NOT INCLUDE BRISTOL.
3:04:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I HAVE TO REVIEW, WHAT DOES THE CONTRACT

SAY?
WHAT ARE YOU ACTUALLY VOTING ON BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE VOTING
ON CONTROLS?
3:04:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE CONTRACT HAS BRISTOL AS A POSSIBLE
SOMETHING.
IT'S ON THE MAP.
3:04:39PM >>VIK BHIDE:
IT'S SOMETHING TO BE REVIEWED.
SO THE CONTRACT RIGHT NOW IS A DESIGN TASK.
IT'S NOT FOR IMPLEMENTATION.
3:04:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, DO WE UNDERSTAND SO
THE CONTRACT, BRISTOL HAS TO BE STRICKEN FROM THAT CONTRACT.
3:04:58PM >>VIK BHIDE:
IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN MY OPINION.
3:05:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS THE CONTRACT IN FRONT OF THEM?
IS THE CONTRACT IN FRONT OF THEM TODAY?
3:05:07PM >>VIK BHIDE:
THE CONTRACT IS IN FRONT OF THEM TODAY.
3:05:09PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DOES THE CONTRACT IN FRONT OF THEM REFLECT
ANY REFERENCE TO BRISTOL?
3:05:13PM >>VIK BHIDE:
IT DOES.
3:05:14PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THEN WHAT YOU'RE VOTING ON INCLUDES
BRISTOL.
3:05:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TO PASS THIS, MAKE A SUBSEQUENT MOTION TO
ENSURE THAT'S STRICKEN FROM THE CONTRACT.
3:05:25PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DON'T GET TO NEGOTIATE CONTRACTS AT THIS
POINT.
AND, BY THE WAY, THE QUESTION IS, I GUESS THIS MAYBE IS A

QUESTION FOR LEGAL, BUT IF YOU PASS THIS THEN AND THEY COME
BACK AND SAY YOUR ROUTE IS BRISTOL THEN WHAT IS YOUR REMEDY
AS A COUNCIL TO THAT?
3:05:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHY WOULDN'T THIS COUNCIL HAVE THE
AUTHORITY TO PUT A CAVEAT IN THE AUTHORIZATION TO SPEND
$7.7 MILLION?
3:05:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BECAUSE THE CHARTER SAYS A CONTRACT IS
NEGOTIATED BY THE ADMINISTRATION.
IT IS BROUGHT TO YOU AND YOUR OPPORTUNITY IS NOT TO
RENEGOTIATE THE CONTRACT.
YOU CAN CONTINUE IT FOR THEM TO FURTHER DISCUSS IT WITH YOU
OR YOU CAN VOTE IT UP OR YOU CAN VOTE IT DOWN.
3:06:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DO HAVE BY CHARTER THE ABILITY AND
AUTHORIZATION TO PASS THESE BUDGETARY ITEMS.
I ALSO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO NOT FUND BUDGETARY ITEMS.
SO I COULD SAY I DO NOT WANT ANY MONEY OF THE 7.728 --
$7.7 MILLION SPENT ON BRISTOL.
3:06:38PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I THINK THAT'S TOO SPECIFIC AS TO YOUR
AUTHORITY, FRANKLY.
3:06:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO CITY LAWYERS ATTORNEYS BELIEVE THE SAME
THING?
3:06:49PM >>VIK BHIDE:
SO IF MY UNDERSTANDING IS RIGHT, THE MOTION
FROM THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING WAS TO COME BACK WITH IDEAS
AND CONCEPTS THAT PRECLUDE BRISTOL.
3:07:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
[INAUDIBLE]

3:07:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOUR MICROPHONE, SIR.
3:07:07PM >>VIK BHIDE:
SAY IT WAS A MATTER OF DISCUSSION, NOT A MATTER
OF ACTION.
WHAT IS IN FRONT HERE IS A CONTRACT WITH OPTIONS THAT ALSO
ARE CONSISTENT WITH THAT MOTION, BUT THAT MOTION WASN'T AN
ACTION.
3:07:22PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT WAS AN ACTION.
A VOTE OF FOUR IS AN ACTION OF CITY COUNCIL. A.
3:07:29PM >>VIK BHIDE:
WAS IT VOTED ON?
3:07:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT WAS UNANIMOUS, AS I RECALL.
I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH WHAT COUNCIL DOES.
I DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THIS FIGHT.
MY CONCERN IS THAT BASED ON WHAT THE DIRECTION OF COUNCIL --
HAPPENED.
WE CAN BRING UP THE LANGUAGE, IF THE CLERK WOULD BRING UP
THE LANGUAGE.
I KNOW SOMEBODY FROM THE PUBLIC, TWO PEOPLE PUT IT UP TODAY
OR RAISED THE ISSUE.
MY CONCERN FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, IF COUNCIL HAS TAKEN
A POLICY POSITION AND NOW SOMETHING IS BEING BROUGHT TO YOU
INCONSISTENT WITH THE POLICY, THAT IN SOME FORM OR FASHION
NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED.
IF IT MEANS RESCINDING THE MOTION OR AMENDING THE MOTION TO
INCLUDE BRISTOL SO THE CONTRACT CAN GO FORWARD.
BUT IF THAT CONTRACT IN IT MAKES REFERENCE TO BRISTOL, THAT

SOUNDS TO ME INCONSISTENT WITH THE POLICY THAT THIS COUNCIL
HAS PREVIOUSLY TAKEN BY OFFICIAL ACTION UNDER THE CHARTER BY
MAKING THAT MOTION.
I JUST WANT IT RESOLVED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
EITHER WAY.
I DON'T WANT TO SAY SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE, WHEN YOU PASSED
THIS, YOU OVERRULED YOUR OWN POLICY.
IT HAS TO BE KNOWINGLY, WILLINGLY, AND VOLUNTARILY DONE IN
MY OPINION.
3:08:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YEAH, I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY I CAN'T
AS COUNCIL HAVE A STIPULATION OF -- I'M NOT NEGOTIATING THE
CONTRACT, BUT I CAN SAY NOT GOING TO FUND --
3:08:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHAT IS THE REMEDY UNDER THE CONTRACT IF
YOU DON'T FUND IT?
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER TO THAT IS.
CERTAINLY, THERE IS A COMPANY RELYING ON A DESIGN-BUILD
CONTRACT THAT YOU'RE APPROVING.
ONCE YOU APPROVE IT, THERE ARE CERTAIN OBLIGATIONS THAT THE
CITY HAS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REMEDY IS.
YOU'RE ASKING A QUESTION BEYOND MY SCOPE BASED ON MY
KNOWLEDGE OF THE PROJECT AND THIS CONTRACT.
3:09:21PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
3:09:21PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU CAN CONTINUE AND ASK FOR A DIFFERENT
CONTRACT.

THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE PUT IT IN THERE KNOWING WE ALREADY
PASSED THIS.
3:09:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
3:09:33PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WAS JUST RESPONDING TO THAT ISSUE.
3:09:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE IS THE CITY ATTORNEY.
3:09:40PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I APOLOGIZE.
I'VE BEEN STUCK ON THE ELEVATOR.
DON'T KNOW WHAT THE QUESTION IS.
3:09:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY, DO YOU WANT TO SUMMARIZE IT?
3:09:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
[MICROPHONE NOT ON] THE ORIGINAL MOTION WAS
WHEN?
THE ORIGINAL MOTION WAS MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON,
SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA ON JUNE 20, 2024.
MOBILITY STAFF TO PROVIDE A WRITTEN REPORT ON USING BRISTOL
AVENUE AND TO BYPASS THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS THEY WORK TO -- AS
THEY WORK TO RESOLVE THE FLOODING ISSUES USING COMMERCIAL
CORRIDORS AND THAT COUNCIL WILL NOT VOTE OR FUND A PLAN THAT
PLACES VAULTS ON BRISTOL AVENUE.
THERE WAS A VERBAL REPORT.
NOVEMBER 7, CONTINUED FROM SEPTEMBER 5 OF 2024.
MR. BHIDE TRANSMITTED BACKGROUND ON IT.
AND THE MEMORANDUM WAS RECEIVED AND FILED AND THE MOTION TO
RECEIVE AND FILE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH MIRANDA AND VIERA
BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
3:10:50PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. SHELBY, HE COMBINED TWO ITEMS THAT WEEK

AND DIDN'T ANSWER THIS QUESTION.
IT WAS COMBINING TWO ITEMS.
THE OTHER ITEM WAS ANSWERED, BUT THAT ONE WAS NEVER
RESPONDED TO.
3:11:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MADAM CLERK, ARE YOU ABLE TO PRINT THAT
OUT?
JUST THE E-MAIL ITSELF.
3:11:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:11:20PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY, GUYS, MY INTERPRETATION OF THIS
WOULD BE, IN 30 SECONDS, WE MADE A PREFERENCE IN JUNE THAT
HAD NO BINDING EFFECT.
THIS WASN'T AN ORDINANCE.
IT WAS A PREFERENCE AT THE TIME.
THIS WOULD BE A RESOLUTION WITH MORE BINDING EFFECT.
I DON'T WANT US TO GET INTO A RABBIT HOLE.
I THINK WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT THE LARGER PICTURE AND THEN
CENTER IN WHEN -- I THINK WE'RE GETTING INTO A RABBIT HOLE
RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE CERTAIN TIME.
I THINK WE OUGHT TO GO FORWARD.
3:11:55PM >>VIK BHIDE:
IF IT IS COUNCIL'S WISH THAT WE EXCLUDE BRISTOL
FROM CONSIDERATION RIGHT OFF THE BAT, THE RESOLUTION DOES
NOT SAY ANYTHING SPECIFIC TO THAT.
NOR DOES THE CONTRACT, IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
SO WE CAN PROCEED WITH THE OTHER TWO OPTIONS.

3:12:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
YOU WORK IT OUT AND I'LL GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
YES, MR. SHELBY.
3:12:21PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST ONE LAST THING.
ONE WAY TO DO THIS, IF COUNCIL AS A BODY ACCEPTS THAT, ALL
YOU CAN DO, YOU CAN MOVE TO AMEND THAT MOTION TO AMEND THAT
SECTION, WHAT HAPPENED IN NOVEMBER.
I SAY A MOTION OF COUNCIL WITH THE VOTE OF FOUR HAS THE
EFFECT OF A RESOLUTION.
HAVING A RESOLUTION DOES NOT CREATE -- IT'S FORMALIZED, IN
WRITING, PUBLIC RECORD.
COUNCIL ALL THE TIME TAKES ACTION BY MOTION ONLY.
3:12:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
3:12:53PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I HAVE A LOT I WANT TO SAY BUT SAY A COUPLE
OF THINGS IN RESPONSE TO SOME OF THE THINGS SAID AND MAYBE
THE SECOND ROUND SAY A FEW GENERAL THINGS.
I THINK THE SOLUTION TO THIS IS THAT WE ASK THEM TO GO BACK
AND REMOVE ANY REFERENCE TO BRISTOL FROM THE CONTRACT
BECAUSE THAT WAS THE INSTRUCTION WE HAD GIVEN.
SHOULD HAVE GIVEN A REPORT TWO WEEKS AGO ON IT.
PALMA CEIA PINES, I ALSO WENT, I DON'T REMEMBER WITHIN A
COUPLE OF DAYS AFTER THE STORMS, AND THE NEIGHBORS --
3:13:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YEAH, TAKE IT OUTSIDE.
3:13:27PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE NEIGHBORS, SOME OF WHOM WERE HERE AND
HERE TODAY, GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO SHOW ME THEIR HOMES AND THE

DEVASTATION AND RENOVATING.
WE ALSO DROVE AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS IS NOT A QUESTION.
I'M MAKING COMMENTS.
AS I TOURED THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I SAW DITCHES THAT HAD NOT
BEEN CLEANED OUT IN A LONG TIME.
I SAW DEBRIS THAT WAS BLOCKING DITCHES.
I SAW RESERVOIRS, RETENTION PONDS THAT LOOK LIKE THEY HAD
NOT BEEN MAINTAINED.
AND WE SAW A PUMP THAT I WAS TOLD BY THE NEIGHBORS WAS BEING
REPAIRED AND THAT HAD GONE OUT IN SOME WAY.
IT APPEARS TO ME -- APPEARED TO ME, APPEARS TO ME, I'VE BEEN
BACK THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD MORE, IT APPEARS TO ME THERE
SHOULD BE INSTANT MAINTENANCE.
NOT A QUESTION, JUST MAKING A COMMENT.
INSTANT MAINTENANCE.
NEIGHBORS WERE ASKING ME TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MAINTENANCE
OCCURRED.
THERE NEEDS TO BE INSTANT MAINTENANCE THERE.
ONE OF THE CULVERTS OR RETENTION PONDS IS UNDER A PARKING
LOT THAT'S PRIVATELY OWNED.
SHOULD BE SOME WAY TO CLEAN THAT ONE OUT AS WELL.
WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION GOING FORWARD TO LOOK AT SHORT-TERM
SOLUTIONS.
BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.

IT'S CLEAR THAT PALMA CEIA PINES IS NOT IN THIS PLAN.
WHEN I ASKED MR. BHIDE TO SHOW IT TO ME ON THE MAP, IT WAS
TO THE NORTH OF IT.
BECAUSE IT IS IN THE LARGER STORMWATER AREA DOES NOT MEAN
THAT SOLUTIONS WERE PROVIDED.
AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A QUESTION.
IF PALMA CEIA PINES WAS MEANT TO BE INCLUDED, THE PIPE OR
CULVERTS WOULD HAVE GONE UP TO PALMA CEIA PINES, BUT THEY
WERE NOT.
THIS IS WHAT I CALL AFTERTHOUGHT JUSTIFICATION WHERE THESE
EXCUSES ARE MADE AFTER THE FACT.
WE NEED SOLUTIONS FOR PALMA CEIA PINES.
IT'S FRANKLY OFFENSIVE AND INHUMANE TO SOME EXTENT THAT THE
PEOPLE OF PALMA CEIA PINES HAD BEEN TOLD THEY HAD A SOLUTION
AND THERE REALLY ISN'T ONE.
ALSO, MR. BHIDE, YOU TALK ABOUT NINE YEARS AND OTHER PEOPLE
TALK ABOUT TEN YEARS, AS YOU TESTIFIED TWO WEEKS AGO, I
LEARNED ABOUT THIS IN AUGUST A YEAR AGO.
I HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WITH YOU AND MR. ADAMS AND
OTHERS A COUPLE OF MONTHS LATER IN OCTOBER.
SO I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS FOR A YEAR.
THE COMMUNITY THOUGHT THAT THE CITY WAS GOING TO LISTEN TO
THE CONCERNS AND COME BACK AND MODIFY THE PROPOSAL.
FRANKLY, THIS PROPOSAL TODAY, I WAS BLINDSIDED, FOUND OUT
ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO.

SO THE ADMINISTRATION HAS DECIDED TO PUSH THIS QUICKLY AND
NOW THERE'S AN URGENCY TO GET THIS DONE.
THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN OUT THERE FOR A LONG TIME, AS PEOPLE
HAVE TESTIFIED.
THIS CITY COUNCIL AS YOU TESTIFIED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO
NEVER SLOWED THIS DOWN.
TODAY, IF WE VOTE TO SLOW IT DOWN, IT WILL BE THE FIRST TIME
CITY COUNCIL EVER SLOWED IT DOWN.
STAFF HAS SLOWED IT DOWN IN THE PAST.
FORMER MAYORS HAVE SLOWED IT DOWN, BUT THIS CITY COUNCIL HAS
NEVER SLOWED IT DOWN.
THERE ARE MANY, MANY CONCERNS ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
ONE OF THE CONCERNS, YOU TALK ABOUT PUBLIC INPUT.
WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IS NOT PUBLIC INPUT.
IT'S CALLED PUBLIC INFORMATION OR PUBLIC EDUCATION.
YOU'RE TELLING THE PUBLIC WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO AND THEN
YOU LISTEN TO WHAT THEY SAY BUT DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
IF YOU ARE LISTENING EVEN TO US, BRISTOL WOULD NOT BE
INCLUDED IN THE CONTRACT.
PUBLIC INPUT IS WHERE YOU GET THE PUBLIC ENGAGED.
THIS IS THE ISSUE I HAVE WITH THIS.
THERE MAY BE 20 NEIGHBORHOODS FLOODED IN SOUTH TAMPA.
I'VE BEEN TO ALL OF THEM.
TOURED THEM, WORKED WITH THEM.
WORKED WITH YOU, MR. BHIDE, THE DAY AFTER THE LAST MEETING,

YOU AND I WERE IN ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD AND COLLABORATING AND
WORKING TOGETHER.
FOR SOME REASON, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS THE MOST INCREDIBLE
DIVISIVENESS THAT I'VE EVER SEEN.
PEOPLE ARE ANGRY.
THEY ARE FIGHTING, THEY ARE ARGUING.
IS IT SOMEBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD PUSHING IT?
IS IT THE ADMINISTRATION?
I DON'T KNOW, BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS THIS IS THE ONLY
NEIGHBORHOOD TO MY KNOWLEDGE THAT THE MAYOR'S POLITICAL
ADVISOR AND MAYOR'S COMMUNICATION ADVISOR HAVE BEEN TO.
WHY IS IT THAT THE MAYOR AND HER STAFF AND EVERYONE DIDN'T
HANDLE THIS IN A COLLABORATIVE WAY?
WHY IS IT THAT LEADERSHIP HASN'T BEEN SHOWN TO BRING
EVERYBODY TOGETHER?
TWO WEEKS AGO, I BEGGED FOR COLLABORATION.
I BEGGED FOR EVERYBODY TO COME TOGETHER.
THE NEIGHBORS AND ALL THESE COMMUNITIES ARE BEGGING US TO
COME TOGETHER FOR A SOLUTION.
RHETORICAL QUESTION.
NOT ASKING FOR AN ANSWER.
WE NEED LEADERSHIP AT THIS POINT TO BRING EVERYBODY
TOGETHER.
IF WE -- I WAS TELLING CHIEF OF STAFF AT THE BREAK, IF WE
APPROVE THIS TODAY, THERE'S GOING TO BE A WAR IN SOUTH

TAMPA.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE FAULT OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
IT'S GOING TO BE THE FAULT OF THE ADMINISTRATION FOR
CREATING AND THROWING FLAMES ON THE WAR.
IF WE SAY WE WANT 90 OR 120 DAY DELAY, THE PEOPLE NOW IN
PALMA CEIA PINES AND PART OF PARKLAND ESTATES ARE GOING TO
BE FURIOUS AND ANGRY.
AND EITHER WAY, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS FIND A WAY TO BRING
THE COMMUNITY BACK TOGETHER.
THIS SHOULD NOT BE DIVISIVENESS LIKE THIS IN ANY
NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS IS COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY.
THERE WERE LOTS AND LOTS OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WERE FLOODED
AND DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS FOR EVERYONE.
WE NEED TO WORK HARD TO FIND THOSE SOLUTIONS AND
COLLABORATE.
AGAIN, I'M NOT ASKING QUESTIONS.
I'M NOT ASKING FOR FEEDBACK.
WE JUST NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO FIND SOLUTIONS.
I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE SOME MORE TIME TO MAKE THIS, TO WORK
CORRECTLY.
I'VE WORKED ON BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF INFRASTRUCTURE
PROJECTS BEFORE I GOT ON COUNCIL.
NEVER SEEN ONE SO BADLY HANDLED BEFORE.
THIS IS NOT THE LEGITIMATE PROCESS THAT ENGINEERS AND

PLANNERS GO THROUGH.
YOU ALL KNOW, KIMMINS KNOWS, BECAUSE KIMMINS HANDLES THESE
PROJECTS.
YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO SIGN UP FOR MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF
PROJECTS BEFORE YOU START DOING PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO DATE IS EMBARRASSING FROM A CITY POINT
OF VIEW.
WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND I WOULD ASK THE MAYOR AND HER STAFF,
HIT THE RESET BUTTON.
THROW THE POLITICS OUT THE DOOR AND LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW TO
COLLABORATE AND FIND SOLUTIONS.
3:18:55PM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WHO IS NEXT?
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
3:19:00PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHTS OF EVERYBODY.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS I THINK THAT ARE CLEAR FROM THE
OUTSET, WHICH IS THERE'S NO EASY WAY OUT ON THIS.
NO SHORTCUT HOME.
TAKING A LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT FACTIONS, SIDES OR INTEREST
HERE, THERE'S NO BAD GUY HERE.
THERE'S NO ROCKY AND DRAGO ON ONE SIDE.
THERE ARE BOTH PEOPLE WHO ALL MEAN WELL AND ALL LEGITIMATE
POINTS.
I WORKED AS A MEDIATOR AND THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF CASES,

THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS IN LIFE THAT ARE BLACK AND WHITE
AND THEN A LOT OF CASES AND THINGS THAT ARE GRAY, WHERE
THERE IS A LOT OF GRAY.
THIS IS CLEARLY A CASE WHERE THERE IS A LOT OF GRAY.
AS I'LL TALK ABOUT, KIND OF SITUATION WHERE WHEN YOU RUN FOR
OFFICE, IT IS THE KIND OF DECISION YOU HAVE TO MAKE WHERE
YOU'LL TICK SOMEBODY OFF, MAKE SOMEBODY ANGRY AND MAYBE EVEN
INFLICT HURT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER IN THE DECISION YOU MAKE
AND YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, BUT
ALWAYS SAY, IF YOU TICK SOMEBODY OFF, MIGHT AS WELL TICK
SOMEBODY OFF FOR DOING WHAT YOU THINK IS THE RIGHT THING.
I TELL PEOPLE IN PUBLIC OFFICE TO GO WITH YOUR HEART ON
STUFF BECAUSE YOU'LL TICK SOMEBODY OFF NO MATTER WHAT.
BEFORE MILTON, I HAD SPOKEN TO VARIOUS INTERESTS ON THIS, ON
BOTH SIDES OF IT.
I HAD MY VIEWS ON IT WHICH I EXPRESSED.
MILTON FOR ME CHANGED MY PERSPECTIVE ON A LOT OF THINGS.
YOU ALL HAVE SEEN ME IN TERMS OF THE WAY I ALMOST JUST WITH
GREAT VIGOR IN THE AREAS OF MY DISTRICT THAT WERE FLOODED.
YOU SAW THIS MORNING THAT INVESTIGATIVE INQUIRY THAT I WANT
TO DO AND THAT THE COUNTY COMMISSION IS MOVING ON.
WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ON.
MOVING HARD ON THINGS LIKE WE ALL HAVE BEEN HERE IN TAMPA
CITY COUNCIL.
MILTON FOR ME HAS CHANGED EVERYTHING.

MY PERSPECTIVE ON THIS IS THE OPTION OF WHETHER THROUGH THE
OPERATION OF DELAY OR THROUGH ANY OTHER METHOD OF TELLING
THE NEIGHBORHOOD HERE THAT FLOODED, RIGHT, THAT WE'RE GOING
TO CONTINUE TO TOLERATE THIS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER TO ME IS OFF
THE TABLE.
UNACCEPTABLE.
THIS PROJECT, WHETHER DELAYED, WHETHER IT HAPPENS A YEAR
FROM NOW, IN TERMS OF BEGINNING OF THE DESIGN, WHETHER IT
DOESN'T HAVE THE VOTES, WHATEVER, IT IS EVENTUALLY GOING TO
HAPPEN.
AND THERE'S GOING TO BE HEARTACHE IN THAT TRANSITION.
THERE'S GOING TO BE CHALLENGE IN THAT TRANSITION.
THAT'S NEVER NOT GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN IT COMES TO THIS
PROJECT.
IT IS A FACT, AGAIN, DESIGN, A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT IN THAT,
ET CETERA, THERE WILL BE SOME HEARTACHE AND PAIN SUFFERED
THROUGHOUT HOWARD.
THERE WILL BE SOME CHALLENGES.
THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I THINK WE OUGHT TO TALK ABOUT
THAT IF WE DO GO FORWARD ULTIMATELY, TAKING A LOOK AT THE
CONTRACT, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH A CONTRACTOR AND SAYING TO THE
EXTENT WE CAN DO THIS, OKAY, IF IT'S GOING TO TAKE -- MAKING
SOMETHING UP -- 60 DAYS.
IF YOU GO OVER 75 DAYS, CAN WE DO PENALTIES?
CAN WE DO DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT?

WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT THAT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE SOMETIMES --
3:21:58PM >>VIK BHIDE:
THAT'S PART OF THE CONTRACT.
3:22:00PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
THANK YOU FOR THAT, YES, SIR.
I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT.
AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT SETS UP BENCHMARKS
OR ADDITIONAL EXTENSIONS, RIGHT, THAT MOVES THINGS FURTHER
AWAY FOR RELIEF FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT FOR ME IS THE NARRATIVE THAT I GO ON ON THIS ISSUE.
AGAIN, LEAVING THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO CONTINUE TO BE FLOODED
TO ME IS JUST AN ABDICATION OF WHAT CITY GOVERNMENT IS
SUPPOSED TO DO.
WE DEAL WITH POLICE, FIRE, ROADS, FLOODING, OKAY, THAT'S THE
BASICS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
IT'S LIKE IF YOU DO A WAFFLE HOUSE AND DON'T DO WAFFLES.
MEL'S HOT DOGS AND YOU DON'T GOT A SINGLE HOT DOG.
IF WE LEAVE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO CONTINUE TO BE FLOODED,
EITHER THROUGH OPERATION OF DELAY OR ANYTHING ELSE OR KICK
THAT CAN DOWN THE ROAD, RIGHT, I THINK WE'RE DOING THAT.
I THINK ULTIMATELY AN ABDICATION.
THIS, WE HAVE TO NOT SET GOALPOSTS ON THIS THAT I THINK ARE
INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
WE'RE DEALING WITH DESIGN AT THIS POINT.
THAT'S VERY, VERY LIMITED.
THERE IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT ENGAGEMENT AND MOVEMENT,

ET CETERA, THAT CAN HAPPEN DURING THAT TIME.
THIS IS THE DATING STAGE.
STILL GOT TO MOVE IN TOGETHER.
STILL GOT TO GET ENGAGED, STILL GOT TO GET MARRIED.
OR HOWEVER YOU DO IT.
THIS IS THAT POINT MOVING FORWARD FOR THIS.
WE NEED TO HAVE CONTINUED ENGAGEMENT, CONTINUED COMMUNITY
OUTREACH.
NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS ON THIS, BUT, AGAIN, I GAVE MY WORD
TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN I MET WITH THEM, THAT I WOULD MOVE
FORWARD ON SOMETHING WITHOUT FURTHER DELAY.
WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE FOR THIS
NEIGHBORHOOD TO PROVIDE RELIEF.
WE CAN BE INNOVATIVE.
TALK ABOUT WITH CONTRACTS.
PROVIDING ASSISTANCE, ET CETERA.
WE'LL CERTAINLY HAVE TIME FOR THAT.
AGAIN, THE BUCK STOPS WITH US.
WHETHER WE DO NOTHING AND FLOODING CONTINUES TO HAPPEN OR
THE AFTERMATH OF THE FINANCIAL AND EMOTIONAL DEVASTATES
ASSOCIATED WITH THE FLOODING FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THE BUCK
IS GOING TO STOP WITH US THERE.
IF WE DO SOMETHING AND IT CAUSES SOME CHALLENGES ON HOWARD,
THE BUCK WILL ALSO STOP WITH US.
EITHER WAY, WE'RE GOING TO GET HEAT.

WE SHOULD ALL -- AND I THINK WE ALL ARE GOING TO DO THAT
REGARDLESS OF HOW WE VOTE, TAKE THE HEAT FOR DOING WHAT WE
THINK IS RIGHT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO DO AND WHAT WE'LL ALL DO ONE WAY OR
ANOTHER.
THANK YOU.
3:24:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND MIRANDA.
3:24:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I WANT TO THANK THE PUBLIC FOR ALL THE E-MAILS AND ALL THE
COMMENTS TODAY.
I THANK PEOPLE FOR PUTTING THE TIME IN.
I THANK PEOPLE FOR WRITING.
I READ EVERY E-MAIL.
I UNDERSTAND.
I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE GRAVITY OF THIS.
WE ARE HERE TODAY BECAUSE FOR DECADES COUNCILS AND
ADMINISTRATIONS BEFORE US HAVE KICKED THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
HURRICANE MILTON CLEARLY SHOWED US THAT THE CAN KICKING HAS
TO STOP.
THERE WILL NEVER BE A GOOD TIME FOR THIS PROJECT.
THE BEST AND, QUITE FRANKLY, CHEAPEST TIME FOR THE PROJECT
WAS DECADES AGO.
DECADES AGO.
DECADES AGO WHEN THIS WAS SHOWN TO BE A PROBLEM.
I CANNOT SIT HERE AND SAY THAT IT'S OKAY TO SPEND 20 PLUS

MILLION DOLLARS EXTRA TO TAKE THIS OFF OF HOWARD AVENUE.
WHERE THE CURRENT OUTFALLS ALREADY EXIST.
WE'RE DOING A LOT OF MONEY SAVING DOING THAT.
AND THIS IS MAINLY BECAUSE THE MONEY IS NEEDED IN OTHER
AREAS OF THE CITY THAT RECEIVED SIMILAR FLOODING.
OF COURSE, EVERYONE LOOKS AT COUNCILMAN VIERA, BUT, QUITE
FRANKLY, FOLKS IN FOREST HILLS AND THE UNIVERSITY AREA SAW
FLOODING THAT WE NEVER EXPECTED.
THE PARKLAND ESTATES AND PALMA CEIA PINES ARE ACTUALLY VERY
BLESSED AND LUCKY THAT THIS PROJECT IS ALREADY READY TO GO.
FOREST HILLS AND UNIVERSITY AREA WILL BE WAITING SO MUCH
LONGER SIMPLY FOR A PROJECT TO BEGIN BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T EVEN
CONSIDERED A PROJECT THERE.
THIS PROJECT WAS DEVELOPED BECAUSE OF THE HISTORY OF
FLOODING IN THIS AREA.
SO FOR ME, THAT IS A BIG PART OF THIS AS WELL IS MANAGING
OUR MONEY WELL BECAUSE WE NEED TO TAKE ANY EXTRA MONEY AND
GO TO THE REST OF THE CITY.
THIS IS A PART OF OUR CITY AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, BUT
THERE ARE OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY WHO FLOODED AS WELL AND WE
NEED TO USE OUR RESOURCES WISELY SO THAT WE CAN REACH AS
MANY PARTS OF THE CITY AS POSSIBLE.
THERE IS A COST TO DOING NOTHING.
THE FOLKS WHO FLOODED, THE BUSINESSES AS WELL AS THE HOUSES
DURING MILTON ARE PAYING THAT PRICE RIGHT NOW.

I'VE HEARD -- I'VE READ THE E-MAILS.
I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE ABOUT PEOPLE WHO HAD TO PUT THEIR LIFE
SAVINGS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE.
WE'RE HEARING THOSE STORIES.
WHO KNOWS WHICH PLACES WILL FLOOD IN THE NEXT STORM OR THE
NEXT AS SEA LEVEL RISE HAPPENS, AS MORE BUILDING OCCURS, IT
MAY NOT BE LIMITED TO WHERE IT IS NOW.
IT WILL EXPAND BECAUSE IT EXPANDED THIS TIME.
I DID VOTE TO NOT APPROVE A PLAN THAT WILL GO DOWN BRISTOL
AVENUE.
I DID THAT.
I OWN THE VOTE.
BUT I VOTED BEFORE, SEEING WHAT MILTON DID TO BUSINESSES AND
HOMES IN THE AREA.
I WALKED INTO THE PEOPLE'S HOUSES.
I SAW THEIR LIVES ON THE CURBS.
MILTON CHANGED ME.
SO FOR ME, I AM ASKING THE ENGINEERS TO DETERMINE THE BEST
ROUTE TO MOVE THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF STORMWATER IN THE
SHORTEST AMOUNT OF TIME.
I DO NOT WANT THE ENGINEERS TO CONSIDER TRAFFIC, UTILITIES,
BUSINESSES, HOUSES, TREES, OR ANYTHING ELSE.
I WANT THEM TO SIMPLY TELL ME WHAT IS THE BEST -- AND
TOPOGRAPHICAL WAY FOR WATER TO MOVE TO THE BAY WHILE
CONNECTING TO OUR CURRENT STORM INFRASTRUCTURE.

THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING.
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH SOME OF MY COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT THIS
IS THE DISTILLED ISSUE RIGHT NOW.
HOW DO WE MOVE THE STORMWATER BEST, FASTEST TO GET IT TO THE
BAY.
THIS PROJECT WILL COME BACK TO US AFTER THE DESIGN PHASE FOR
APPROVAL FOR CONSTRUCTION PHASE CONTRACT.
IF THE ENGINEERS CANNOT COME UP HERE AND TELL ME THAT THEY
LOOKED AT ONLY THE BEST AND FASTEST WAY TO MOVE WATER,
REGARDLESS OF OTHER VARIABLES, I WILL NOT VOTE FOR MOVING
THAT CONTRACT FORWARD.
ALONG WITH DESIGN, I WANT KIMMINS TO COME BACK WITH A FULLY
DEVELOPED SHOP HOWARD PLAN CREATED WITH INPUT FROM HOWARD
AVENUE BUSINESSES, ABUTTING NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS, CITY
DEPARTMENTS, THE SOHO BUSINESS ALLIANCE, AND ANYONE ELSE
NECESSARY TO HELP BUSINESSES WEATHER THIS PROJECT AS
SMOOTHLY AS POSSIBLE.
I WANT A FULLY FORMED PLAN BEFORE WE SIGN THE CONTRACT.
DOES NOT MEAN THE PLAN CANNOT BE AMENDED AS WE GO, BUT A
FULLY FORMED PLAN EXECUTED, EXPLAINED BY KIMMINS AND THEIR
ASSOCIATES.
THIS PROJECT HAS PITTED NEIGHBOR AGAINST NEIGHBOR.
AS WITH ALL INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, SOME WILL BE ASKED TO
SACRIFICE MORE THAN OTHERS.
SOME WILL BE SLOWED BY TRAFFIC AND ROAD CLOSURES.

SOME WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ACCESS THEIR DRIVEWAYS.
BUSINESSES WILL SUFFER, BUT THIS IS A LONG-TERM SOLUTION TO
THE INCREASED THREAT OF CLIMATE CHANGE AND FLOODING.
HOW CAN I VOTE AGAINST A PROJECT THAT WILL PREVENT HOMES AND
BUSINESSES FROM FLOODING AND CATASTROPHIC LOSSES?
I AM HAPPY TO WALK THE ROAD WITH EVERY SINGLE PERSON.
I'VE EXPERIENCE FROM ALL SIDES OF SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS
STORMWATER PROJECT WHICH IS NOT FINISHED.
WHAT I CANNOT DO IS KICK THIS ANY FURTHER.
THAT'S --
3:30:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
3:30:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I HAVE SOME AGREEMENT WITH MOST OF WHAT WAS SAID AND SOME I
DON'T PARTICULARLY CARE.
HOWEVER, WHEN YOU LOOK AT MILTON, MILTON WAS A LESSON
CHANGER.
IT HAS TAUGHT US THAT THE FUTURE IS COMING WITH THESE KIND
OF STORMS.
BUT MILTON HAD HELP.
HELP FROM HELENE AND FIVE INCHES IN BETWEEN.
HAD A BUNCH OF RAIN EVEN BEFORE MILTON GOT HERE.
NOW, TODAY WE'RE IN THIS ROOM, MAYBE 70, 80, HUNDRED OF US
IN THE ROOM.
WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF MILTON CAME 20 MILES NORTH?

I GOT NEWS FOR US, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE.
THAT LESSON HASN'T BEEN LEARNED MUCH.
WE WOULD NOT BE HERE, PERIOD.
BECAUSE THE STORM SURGE WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT.
INSTEAD OF TAKING WATER OUT, IT WOULD HAVE BROUGHT THE WATER
IN.
THE PROBLEM WITH ALL THAT, THESE OUTFALLS, WHERE DO THEY GO
TO?
THE BAY.
AM I CORRECT?
3:31:07PM >> YES.
3:31:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
CAN'T PUT THEM ANY OTHER WAY.
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE A HIGH TIDE IN THE BAY AND TRY TO
TAKE THE WATER DOWN SOUTH?
I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT THE VOLUME OF WATER COMING IN IS A
THOUSAND, 200 MILLION TIMES GREATER THAN THE WATER GOING
OUT.
WHEN IT COLLIDES, COMES RIGHT BACK WHERE IT CAME FROM.
WE'RE ADDRESSING SOMETHING THAT WILL WORK FOR A PERIOD OF
TIME IN HISTORY.
JUST LIKE THE PREVIOUS ONE WORKED FOR A PERIOD OF TIME IN
HISTORY.
IF WE DON'T CHANGE HOW WE DO THINGS, MILTON WILL NOT BE A
LESSON LEARNER.
DISASTER FOR OUR CITIES.

WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED THAT PROBLEM.
I'M NOT TRYING TO ADDRESS IT TODAY.
I HAVE NO PROBLEMS -- ENOUGH PROBLEMS LISTENING -- EVERYBODY
HERE HAS FOR EACH OTHER.
HOW DO WE SOLVE THIS PROBLEM WITHOUT ANYONE GETTING HURT
FINANCIALLY OR OTHERWISE?
SIMPLY YOU CAN'T.
YOU CAN'T SATISFY BOTH SIDES.
IMPOSSIBLE WITH WHAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH BECAUSE IT DOES
NOT WORK WITHOUT COHESIVE UNIT OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M NOT BLAMING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M BLAMING THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE IN.
UNTIL THAT PROBLEM IS RESOLVED, ALL THE ENGINEERS, 50
DRAWINGS, A HUNDRED PEOPLE COMING IN ON BOTH SIDES, AND
YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE, WHAT?
THE SAME PROBLEM.
I'M READY TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT.
YOU KNOW WHAT, I READ THIS HERE AND I'M NOT PRO, ANTI-MAYOR.
I SEE MR. CLENDENIN AND MY NAME HERE.
I SEE HENDERSON AND HURTAK'S NAME HERE.
BUT THE MAYOR HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH US.
IT WAS US.
THE SEVEN OF US.
WHEN I HAVE A PROBLEM, I GO SEE HER AND I TELL HER WHAT I
LIKE AND DON'T LIKE, DIRECTLY, FACE TO FACE.

UNO A UNO WITH NO REGRETS WHO SHE IS.
THAT'S HOW I HANDLE MY BUSINESS.
THIS HAS GOT TO COME TO SOME RESOLUTION BETWEEN THE SAME TWO
PARTIES THAT ARE HERE OR NOT.
THIS IS GOING TO BE A HOUDINI OF SOMETHING HOW WE DO THIS.
I'M NOT AFRAID TO VOTE ONE WAY.
I'M NOT AFRAID TO HURT MY REPUTATION.
I'M NOT AFRAID TO SAY THAT I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG.
I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT.
I JUST WANT THE PROBLEM SOLVED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUES.
BERN'S IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE RESTAURANTS RIGHT THERE IN THE
FIRST ROW.
WHEN MY FRIENDS HAVE PARTIES, I GO.
INEXPENSIVE, SOUP, DESSERT, DESSERT UPSTAIRS, SOUP, SALAD,
FILLET AND BAKED POTATO SAME PLACE.
SOMEPLACE ELSE, AT LEAST ANOTHER 15, 20 DOLLARS MORE.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR US TO CONTINUE THIS ANY FURTHER.
IF THEY WANT TO HIRE AN ENGINEER, THEY ARE CERTAINLY
ENTITLED TO HIRE ENGINEER.
IF THEY WANT TO HAVE A CONFRONTATION -- NOT A CONFRONTATION,
BUT A MEETING OF THE MINDS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO
COME OUT.
BUT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING SO THEY CAN HIRE THE ENGINEER SO
WE CAN GET THIS THING GOING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
WE'LL BE HERE THREE YEARS.

STILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING.
AIN'T GOING TO SOLVE IT.
HAVE TO COME TO AN END NO MATTER IF THEY LIKE EACH OTHER,
DON'T LIKE EACH OTHER.
THE GENTLEMAN, IF THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS TO DO, DO THAT.
WE HAVE TO COME AND DO SOMETHING.
TIME IS MONEY ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS ISSUE.
THAT'S ALL.
3:34:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
3:34:48PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU, CHAIR.
FIRST OF ALL, FOR THE RECORD, CHARLIE, I'VE NEVER BEEN TO
BERN'S.
3:34:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'LL TAKE YOU ONE DAY.
3:34:57PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I'VE HEARD ABOUT IT AND THE DESSERT ROOM.
I DID TAKE THE KIDS ON A FIELD TRIP TO EPICUREAN FOR
HOSPITALITY.
I DON'T HAVE THE EMOTIONAL CONNECTION OUTSIDE OF IT BEING A
COMMUNITY ISSUE THAT A NEIGHBORHOOD LOST A LOT AND THAT
THERE IS A LOT OF SACRIFICE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE
PLACE.
FOR ME, IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THE REQUEST FOR ITEM 58, AFTER ALL
OF THE WORK THAT'S BEEN PUT IN ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, THANK
YOU VERY MUCH.
I'VE LEARNED A LOT AND I APPRECIATE YOUR APPROACH TO THIS.
FOR THE COMMUNITY, I HAVEN'T FINISHED READING.

I'VE BEEN READING E-MAILS AND LISTENING FOR A WHILE.
I'M STILL GETTING THROUGH E-MAILS.
I APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT AS WELL.
FOR ME, IT IS AS SIMPLE AS THIS.
WE SHOULD APPROVE THE AGREEMENT FOR THE DESIGN-BUILD INITIAL
SERVICES FOR $7.7 MILLION BECAUSE IT GETS US STARTED.
SO EVERYONE IS THINKING, WHAT STREET IS IT GOING TO COME ON,
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, EVERYONE IS LIKE WORRIED ABOUT THE STREET
CHOICE.
AND THAT IS FAIR.
FOR ME, IT IS THE PROFESSIONAL APPROACH OF THE EXPERTS.
WE WERE THEY DECIDE AND I THINK I SAID THIS AT THE LAST
MEETING, WHATEVER THEY DECIDE I'M GOING TO PAY ATTENTION TO
THAT AND I'M GOING TO DO MY BEST TO SUPPORT THAT AND ALSO
LOOK FOR THE UNDERLYING, UNDERBELLY OF HOW DO WE RESOLVE
SOME OF THE THINGS HURTAK SAID THAT I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT
BECAUSE I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS AS WELL.
BUT WE HAVE TO GET STARTED.
AND GETTING STARTED IS JUST APPROVING THE AGREEMENT AND
GOING THERE IS FIRST AND LETTING THE INFORMATION COME BACK
WITH THE COMMUNITY INPUT, BUT ALSO THE EXPERT OPINIONS ABOUT
THE BEST, MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO GET THIS DONE IN THE
SHORTEST AMOUNT OF TIME.
THAT I DO BELIEVE IS FAIR.
I KNOW THAT SOMEONE IS GOING TO GET HURT.

SOMEONE IS GOING TO BE UPSET BECAUSE OF THE INCONVENIENCE OF
WHAT IT'S GOING TO PUT PEOPLE THROUGH.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT IF WE DON'T GET STARTED AND SOMEONE DECIDES TO SUE US OR
GET YOUR EXPERTS TO COUNTER WHAT OUR EXPERTS ARE SAYING,
IT'S JUST GOING TO DELAY THE PROBLEM.
I'M GOING TO SUPPORT APPROVING THE AGREEMENT FOR THE
DESIGN-BUILD FOR $.729 MILLION.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SO THAT PROGRESS CAN BE MADE
IN THIS AREA.
I HAVE LOOKED AT A LOT OF PICTURES.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I APPRECIATE ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR
SOUTH TAMPA COMMUNITY IS YOU ALL KNOW HOW TO FIGHT.
YOU HAVE A LOT OF PASSION.
YOU HAVE A LOT OF ORGANIZATION.
AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT.
I REALLY, REALLY DO.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO JUST MOVE
FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN AND TAKE AWAY THE ACTUAL THOUGHT
ABOUT WHAT STREET IS IT GOING TO BE ON RIGHT NOW.
WE NEED TO GET STARTED.
AND LET THE EXPERTS AT LEAST PRESENT IT IN THAT CAPACITY
FIRST BEFORE IT GOES INTO THE PHASE WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAVE
TO KEEP APPROVING THINGS.
BUT THIS IS JUST GETTING STARTED.

WE'RE RESPONSIBLE AS A COUNCIL FOR WHAT COMES AFTER THIS.
AFTER THE DESIGN-BUILD IS BEING PRESENTED TO US.
THAT'S HOW IT WORKS, RIGHT, VIK.
THEY COME BACK TO US AND ASK MORE QUESTIONS AND THEN FILL UP
UPSTAIRS, DOWN STAIRS AND LISTEN TO YOU FOR FIVE HOURS.
THIS PROCESS STILL HAS A WAYS TO GO BUT WE HAVE TO GET
STARTED AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO START IS APPROVING THE
CONTRACT FOR KIMMINS.
THANK YOU.
3:39:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THAT CONCLUDES ROUND ONE.
I FORGOT TO MENTION AND CAN'T BELIEVE IT SLIPPED MY MIND, MY
GRANDMOTHER'S FIRST BUSINESS WAS IN PALMA CEIA PINES IN LIKE
1967 ON MacDILL AND SWANN, WHICH IS NOW THE PARKING LOT
TO -- THE BUILDING WAS DEMOLISHED FOR THE PARKING LOT.
MY FAMILY BACKGROUND IS BUSINESS, SMALL SCALE.
NOT BERN'S NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, NOT 50 EMPLOYEES.
JUST FAMILY MEMBERS.
OVER THE YEARS THEY HAD TO DEAL WITH ALL SORTS OF STUFF.
MY GRANDFATHER DEAD FOR YEARS.
OVER THE YEARS, HEALTH ISSUES, COVID, FINANCIAL CRISIS, AND
THEY WERE ABLE TO MANAGE THOSE THINGS, GOOD OR BAD.
HAVING TO LAY EVERYBODY OFF BECAUSE THE MONEY JUST WASN'T
COMING IN.
BUT THEY WERE ABLE TO MANAGE THAT.

IN THIS CASE, WITH THE HOWARD AVENUE BUSINESSES, BECAUSE
EVERYTHING -- YOU HEARD A LOT OF TESTIMONY TODAY AND GOTTEN
A LOT OF E-MAILS, IT'S LARGER SCALE.
I WOULDN'T KNOW HOW TO MANAGE THAT.
IT'S EASY TO MANAGE YOUR MOM AND YOUR DAD AND A SIBLING IN A
SMALL BUSINESS, BUT THEY HAVE THE LIVES OF TWO, THREE
HUNDRED PEOPLE AT AN INSTITUTION.
COVID WAS HORRIBLE.
MY DAD TOLD ME, IF YOU CAN SURVIVE COVID, YOU CAN SURVIVE
EVERYTHING.
THE WORLD STOPPED.
THEY HAD TO MANAGE THROUGH THAT.
THEY HAD TO MANAGE THROUGH A LOT OF THINGS.
THIS IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S BLOCKING ACCESS TO THEIR
BUSINESS, EVEN IF IT'S DONE ON A BLOCK-BY-BLOCK BASIS, IT'S
SO IMPACTFUL THAT MANY BUSINESSES MAY NOT RECOVER.
WE DON'T KNOW THE FINANCIAL IMPACT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO SEE
HOW MUCH REVENUE THEY GENERATE A DAY, HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY
EMPLOY.
IF THEY ARE WORKING ON TIPS.
IF BUSINESS IS SLOW, IN COLLEGE, ALL MY FRIENDS WORKED IN
RESTAURANTS.
THE BEST NIGHTS WERE I MADE A HUNDRED BUCKS, AND NIGHTS SO
SLOW, MADE TEN BUCKS.
MAYBE THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PAY THE RENT AT THE END OF THE

MONTH OR CAR PAYMENT.
GOD FORBID THEY HAD A CAR BREAK DOWN OR SOMETHING.
EVEN LITTLE THINGS CAN GREATLY IMPACT A BUSINESS.
HOWARD AVENUE IS A VERY IMPORTANT CORRIDOR.
IT'S ONE OF THE BUSIEST, MOST IMPORTANT ARTERIES
BUSINESS-WISE, COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
PEOPLE COME SPECIFICALLY TO TAMPA FOR SOME OF THE LOCATIONS
THERE.
IT WAS RAISED ABOUT A 120 DAY CONTINUANCE.
I BROUGHT UP THE MAN THAT HAD THE BRAIN TUMOR THAT WENT TO
ALL THE SPECIALISTS, ALL THE NEUROSURGEONS AND TOLD HIM
CAN'T DO ANYTHING FOR YOU UNTIL SOMEBODY SAID I'M WILLING TO
OPERATE ON YOU AND SAVED THE LIFE.
IN THIS CASE, I THINK THEY ARE ASKING FOR THE 120 DAYS,
BEFORE WE APPROVE, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE $65 MILLION,
MAYBE MORE.
I KNOW ONLY AT 7.7 TODAY.
BEFORE WE SPEND THE MONEY, LET'S LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE OPTION
ON THE TABLE.
AS YOU MENTIONED, WHAT IS 120 DAYS?
I ASKED YOU ABOUT PALMA CEIA PINES AND YOU SAID WE'RE
LOOKING AT THE STREETS.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PAVING.
WE'RE DOING THOSE THINGS NOW REGARDLESS.
VERY BIG CONCERN OF MINE.

AGAIN, THE FIRST NEIGHBORHOOD I VISITED AND ALL THE FLOODED
HOMES AND PEOPLE I'M IN MOST COMMUNICATION HAPPEN TO BE
NORTH OF SWANN.
BEFORE WE SPEND ALL THE MONEY, WHAT IS THE HARM IN 120 DAYS?
THIS COULD BE THE PROJECT THAT FIXES EVERYTHING.
MAYBE EVERYTHING IS RIGHT HERE.
WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ALL SIDES.
COUNCIL MEMBERS MENTIONED NOT EVERYBODY WILL BE HAPPY.
PEOPLE WILL SUE, PEOPLE WILL FIGHT.
THIS IS THE MOST DIVISIVE ISSUE I'VE SEEN.
AT THE VERY LEAST, WE SHOULD OFFER THE DECENCY TO POSTPONE
THIS FOR 120 DAYS.
THEY CAN COME BACK ALL SIDES AND SAY, LOOK, THERE ARE NO
OTHER OPTIONS, WE FAILED BUT AT LEAST WE TRIED BEFORE WE
MOVED FORWARD.
MY CONCERN IS WE APPROVE THE PROJECT TODAY, YOU SAY THERE
ARE MANY BITES AT THE APPLE, AND I BELIEVE THERE ARE, BUT
ONCE YOU APPROVE A CONTRACT, ONCE YOU GET INTO THE
NITTY-GRITTY, ONCE THE FIRST SHOVEL HITS THE GROUND THERE IS
GOING TO BE THE EXCUSE OF, WELL, WE ALREADY STARTED, ALREADY
DECIDED.
I WENT THROUGH THIS CONTRACT MULTIPLE TIMES AND IT'S HOWARD
HOWARD, HOWARD, HOWARD, HOWARD, AGAIN, IF I WERE KING FOR
THE DAY AND HAD A MAGIC WAND I COULD FIND ANOTHER SOLUTION
BECAUSE AGAIN, I MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING, I DON'T WANT

TO HURT ANYBODY.
SOMEBODY IS GOING TO GET HURT IN THIS.
I SAW SOMETHING LIKE 1700 EMPLOYEES COULD BE AFFECTED.
I THINK WE CAN DO SOMETHING MEANINGFUL.
WE CAN ADDRESS THE FLOODING WITHOUT CAUSING SO MUCH OF AN
IMPACT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON TALKS ABOUT SHORT-TERM AND LONG-TERM
SOLUTIONS, I BELIEVE THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO NOW IN
PREPARATION BEFORE THE RAINY SEASON STARTS.
MAINTENANCE HAS BEEN A BIG ISSUE.
I WAS THERE IN 2016 TO VOTE FOR THAT STORMWATER ASSESSMENT.
ONE OF THE TOUGHEST VOTES I EVER HAD TO TAKE, BUT IT
PROVIDED THE FUNDING AND THE MONEY THAT WE NEEDED TO ADDRESS
STORMWATER AND FLOODING THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
I GAVE YOU, WITH MY VOTE, THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, HEY, NOW
WE HAVE A STORMWATER MAINTENANCE ASSESSMENT.
THE MONEY IS THERE.
LET'S LOOK AT EVERY OPTION.
WHAT IS 120 DAYS IF WE'RE DOING WORK IN PALMA CEIA PINES,
LOOKING AT OTHER THINGS.
SO MUCH CAN BE DONE BEFORE WE GO, WHAT I HOPE IS NOT THE
POINT OF NO RETURN.
3:44:27PM >>VIK BHIDE:
MAY I PLEASE RESPOND TO THAT?
WHAT IS THE POINT OF 120 DAYS?
THE POINT OF THIS CONTRACT IN FRONT OF YOU IS SO THAT THE

CITY CAN HAVE THE DESIGN-BUILD TEAM ON BOARD TO ADVISE US.
SO THE NEXT 120 DAYS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED FOR, THIS TEAM CAN
PARTICIPATE WITH US AND ENGAGE ON THESE QUESTIONS.
THEY ARE BEING PAID TO DO JUST THAT.
WHAT WILL GIVE US MORE RESOURCES IN THE NEXT 120 DAYS IS TO
HAVE THIS TEAM ON BOARD TO ASSIST US WITH THESE
CONVERSATIONS.
WE'VE HIRED THEM TO DO THE DESIGN-BUILD ANYWAYS.
SO WHY NOT HAVE THEM BE PARTICIPATING IN THESE DISCUSSIONS?
BUT IF WE DON'T APPROVE THE CONTRACTS, THEY ARE ON THE
SIDELINE.
WE'RE HAVING A SEPARATE DISCUSSION AND THEN BRINGING IN A
DESIGN-BUILDER THAT HAS BEEN ASKED TO DESIGN AND BUILD THE
SOLUTION.
YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, RIGHT NOW IT IS HOWARD.
BUT IT'S A PRODUCT OF YEARS OF LOOKING AT IT THREE DIFFERENT
CONSULTANTS.
THIS ISN'T JUST CITY STAFF.
IT'S THREE DIFFERENT CONSULTANTS THAT HAVE LOOKED AT IT.
THE GEOLOGY AND THE HYDROLOGY OF THE BASIN HASN'T CHANGED
THAT MUCH BETWEEN 2017 AND NOW.
THE ISSUES ARE THE SAME WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE PUT THE BEST
SOLUTION FORWARD.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY HAS ENGAGED A
CONSULTANT FROM ORLANDO TO LOOK INTO THIS FURTHER FOR THE

NEXT 120 DAYS, ALLOW US TO HAVE THE DESIGNER ON BOARD TO DO
THAT AND HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.
THE DESIGN-BUILD TEAM IS RIGHT HERE.
3:46:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WANT US TO EXHAUST ALL OPTIONS,
EVERYBODY TO EXHAUST ALL OPTIONS BEFORE WE GO PAST THE POINT
OF NO RETURN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
3:46:21PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO MAKE FINAL COMMENTS.
NOT QUESTIONS.
JUST STATEMENTS.
IT'S OBVIOUS THIS IS GOING TO PASS.
I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS MY OPPOSITION TO THIS FOR MANY, MANY
REASONS, WHICH I'LL MENTION HERE.
I WANT TO EXPLAIN WHY I AM VOTING NO.
FIRST OF ALL, THE DIVISIVENESS ABOUT THE WAY THIS WHOLE
THING WAS HANDLED IS NOT GOOD.
WE TALK ABOUT, LET'S JUST START THE DESIGN PHASE.
THE PROBLEM WAS THE WAY THE FIRST YEAR OR TWO OF THIS WAS
HANDLED.
HAD THESE OTHER CONSULTANTS HAD REAL PUBLIC INPUT WHERE YOU
LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC AND PUT PUBLIC FACTORS INTO IT, WHICH
EVERY MAJOR ENGINEERING PROJECT IN THE WORLD HANDLES.
EVERY BIG PROJECT HANDLES LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC.
IN THIS CASE WE DIDN'T.

WE LOOKED AT IT AND DECIDED FOR A FEW REASONS THAT WE WANT
THIS ROUTE AND THIS SOLUTION.
I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL OTHER ENGINEERS OUTSIDE THE CITY AND
I GET DIFFERENT FEEDBACK.
THE PROBLEM IS EVEN IN THE RFQ, HAS ONE ROUTE.
WE SAY THERE ARE OPTIONS BUT ONLY ONE ROUTE, REALLY.
IF THIS PROJECT WAS TO DO DESIGN FOR ALL SOLUTIONS, ALL
OPPORTUNITIES, ALL ROUTES, I WOULD VOTE FOR IT IN A SECOND
BECAUSE WE NEED SOLUTIONS.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE PROCESS DID NOT INCLUDE THAT.
SURE THERE WERE MEETINGS THAT WERE HELD.
BUT MONDAY WAS THE FIRST REAL BIG SUBSTANTIVE PUBLIC MEETING
WHERE EVERYBODY WAS INVITED.
COUNCILMAN VIERA TALKS ABOUT HOW WE'RE DATING BEFORE WE GET
MARRIED.
THE REALITY HERE IS WE'RE SAYING LET'S GET MARRIED, LET'S
GET MARRIED RIGHT AWAY.
I JUST MET YOU BUT LET'S GET MARRIED.
MOST OF THE PUBLIC JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS IN THE LAST
WEEK.
LET'S GET MARRIED.
A YEAR FROM NOW, IF YOU DON'T LIKE US, WE CAN GET A DIVORCE.
THAT'S NOT THE WAY WE SHOULD HANDLE THINGS.
WE SHOULD DO THE DATING FIRST.
MANY OF YOU WATCHING -- A PROJECT TOILET TO TAP THAT THIS

ADMINISTRATION PRESENTED TO US FIVE YEARS AGO, BUT THEY HAD
ENGINEERS AND STUDIES, AND THEY SAID HERE IS THE ONLY
SOLUTION WE HAVE.
IT IS AN EXPERIMENTAL SOLUTION FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY.
WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
THIS IS A GREAT THING.
WE NEED THIS.
WATER QUALITY FROM OTHER SOURCES ISN'T GOOD.
WE'RE GOING TO RUN OUT OF WATER WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF
YEARS AFTER THAT, FORCING THE ADMINISTRATION AND ENGINEERS
AND DEPARTMENTS TO DO ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS AND GETTING
OUTSIDE OPINIONS AND SIERRA CLUB AND OTHER EXPERTS, NATIONAL
AND INTERNATIONAL EXPERTS, WE PROVED THAT.
CITY COUNCIL SHOT DOWN THE PROJECT THREE TIMES.
WE MAY END UP GOING BACK TO A HYBRID VERSION OF IT.
THE POINT IS THIS CITY COUNCIL HAS TURNED DOWN LOTS OF
PROJECTS THAT THE ENGINEERS AND CONSULTANTS AND OTHERS PUSH.
TURNS OUT EXPERIMENTAL IDEA WAS NOT EVEN A GOOD IDEA.
DIDN'T EVEN WORK.
MY BIGGEST PROBLEM.
WE ALL VISIT THE NEIGHBORHOODS, WE HAVE A DUTY TO SOLVE
THEIR PROBLEM.
NOT SAYING PROTECT US FOUR YEARS FROM NOW.
THEY ARE SAYING PROTECT US NOW.
ALL THE TESTIMONY WE HEARD, REALLY THIS IS NOT GOING TO

PROTECT ANYBODY FOR FOUR YEARS.
MAYBE A LITTLE BIT IN THE MIDDLE BUT CERTAINLY NOT EVEN THE
NEXT YEAR BECAUSE NOTHING WILL HIT THE GROUND IN THE NEXT
YEAR.
EVERYBODY IN PARKLAND ESTATES, PALMA CEIA, FINISH FIXING
THEIR HOUSES, NEXT MONTH, NEXT SUMMER, NEXT HURRICANE SEASON
IT RAINS, WE'RE NOT PROTECTING THEM AT ALL.
IF YOU COULD GIVE ME A SOLUTION TO PROTECT THEM FROM THE
NEXT RAIN, I WOULD VOTE FOR IT IN A SECOND.
AQUA FENCES LIKE TGH HAS.
I WANT TO PROTECT THEIR HOUSES.
BUT THIS WON'T PROTECT THEM FOR THREE, FOUR YEARS.
NEXT TIME IT RAINS, THEY'LL SAY HOW COME YOU GUYS HAVEN'T DO
ANYTHING.
WE'LL SAY THE EXPERTS TOLD US WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
EXPERTS I TALK TO SAY THERE ARE LOTS OF THINGS, REMOVING THE
CONCRETE OUT OF FOUNTAIN PARK.
ALSO E-MAIL TESTIMONY, MAPS AND OTHER THINGS THAT SHOW THAT
AFTER IT'S DONE, AFTER SPENDS 65 OR WHATEVER MILLION, NOT
GOING TO HELP IN A HURRICANE.
THIS WAS DESIGNED WITH OLD DATA.
THERE IS NEW DATA --
3:50:03PM >>VIK BHIDE:
NOT TRUE.
3:50:04PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
JUST SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS, THE ADMINISTRATION SOMETIMES WHEN

THEY DISAGREE WITH SOMETHING, THEY ASK STAFF TO ARGUE WITH
US.
I'M NOT ASKING TO YOU ARGUE.
I'M ASKING TO GIVE THE FACTS.
I'VE SEEN THE MAPS.
WE'VE HAD OTHER PEOPLE LOOK AT THE MAPS.
SEEN THE ROUTES.
WE'VE SEEN THE STORMWATER MAPS.
IF YOU WERE -- IF YOU'RE PLANNING ON HANDLING -- YOU SAID
EVEN LAST WEEK IT WON'T HANDLE 11.5 INCHES OF RAIN.
MILTON HITS AGAIN, THIS IS DONE, STILL FLOOD THIS
NEIGHBORHOOD.
MORE THAN 5.5 INCHES, STILL GOING TO FLOOD BOTH OF THESE
NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO FIND A SOLUTION THAT WORKS.
IF IT COSTS A HUNDRED MILLION AND PREVENTS THEM FROM GETTING
FLOODED THEN THAT'S FINE.
IF WE SPEND 65 MILLION AND DOESN'T PROTECT THEM THE NEXT
FOUR YEARS AND DOESN'T PROTECT THEM AFTERWARDS, THEN WE MADE
A TERRIBLE DECISION AND WASTED TAXPAYER MONEY.
IT'S NOT HELPING PALMA CEIA PINES BECAUSE THEY REALLY
WEREN'T INCLUDED IN THE PLAN.
NO SHORT-TERM PLANS.
ROUTE IS SET.
IT'S NOT.

USING OLD TECH, OLD DATA.
SPEND A FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND AND GET A BETTER PLAN.
COUNTY OFFICIAL SAID THIS MORNING, COUNCILMAN VIERA SAID WHY
DON'T WE PARTNER WITH THE COUNTY.
COUNTY OFFICIAL SAID YOU SHOULD WAIT BEFORE YOU SPEND MONEY
UNTIL YOU GET OUR ANALYSIS BECAUSE OUR ANALYSIS IS GOING TO
SHOW WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
WE NEED A SYSTEMIC SOLUTION TO FIX THE PROBLEM, NOT ONE THAT
JUST MAKES PEOPLE HAPPY THAT WE CHECK THE BOX.
3:51:24PM >>VIK BHIDE:
CAN I RESPOND REAL QUICK?
WE WILL USE THE LATEST DATA WHEN WE BEGIN DESIGN.
THAT IS WHEN.
PLUS, SEA LEVEL RISE IS REQUIRED TO BE CONSIDERED WHICH
REQUIRES THE LATEST DATA AS PART OF THE $10 MILLION GRANT
WE'VE GOT FROM FDEP.
AS FAR AS WHAT MR. HORWEDEL SAID FROM THE COUNTY THIS
MORNING, MAY I GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THAT --
3:51:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:51:59PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A DEBATE --
3:52:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THIS IS THE FINAL ROUND.
3:52:06PM >>VIK BHIDE:
THIS IS RELEVANT.
3:52:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU HAD LOTS OF CHANCE TO PRESENT YOUR DATA.
I DIDN'T INTERRUPT YOU EARLY AND DEBATE.
I APPRECIATE NOT HAVING A DEBATE NOW.
YOU PRESENTED WHAT YOU WANTED.

I PRESENTED WHAT I WANTED.
I DIDN'T GO MONDAY SO YOU COULD PRESENT ANYTHING YOU WANTED
--
3:52:26PM >>VIK BHIDE:
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SHARE THAT AFTER THIS
MEETING, WE WENT OUT WITH MR. HORWEDEL AND THE COUNTY TEAM.
COUNCILMAN VIERA WAS THERE TO TAKE A PICTURE WITH THEM
BECAUSE HE HAD INVITED THEM TO SPEAK OUT HERE.
IN FRONT OF ME AND OTHER COUNTY STAFF MEMBERS, HE ASKED MR.
HORWEDEL, DID YOU MEAN THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT WHEN YOU
SAID THAT?
HE SAID NO, I DID NOT.
I CAN ATTEST TO THAT BECAUSE THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT IS IN
THE WATERSHED THAT IS NOT CONNECTED TO UNINCORPORATED
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND RELATED TO ANY OF THAT COORDINATION
WE'RE GOING TO DO IN ANY WAY.
SO I THINK THE BROADER POINT -- AND I DON'T MEAN TO SPEAK
FOR HIM AT ALL -- BUT WHAT MR. HORWEDEL WAS TRYING TO SAY,
THE BROADER POINT HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE, WE NEED TO TAKE A
HOLISTIC LOOK AT THIS TO UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE SOLUTIONS WE
NEED.
I WOULD SEPARATE THAT FROM THIS PROJECT BECAUSE WE HAVE
TAKEN A HOLISTIC LOOK AT THIS WATERSHED AND PUT FORTH THE
BEST POSSIBLE SOLUTION AFTER STUDIED CONSIDERATION.
3:53:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, YOU HAD YOUR MICROPHONE.

3:53:40PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
IT WILL NEVER GET FIXED.
BACK IN THE '90s, A HUNDRED PERCENT.
BACK IN THE '90s WHEN GRECO WAS MAYOR, WE MET IN HIS
OFFICE DOWNSTAIRS IN THE OTHER BUILDING.
WE HAD ENGINEERS.
IT WAS MYSELF, GRECO, CITY ATTORNEY.
WE WENT ALL OVER THE SOUTH AREA, HOW CAN WE SAVE IT?
THE ANSWER WAS, YOU HAVE TO PUT A PIPELINE 30 MILES NORTH,
PUMP THE WATER OUT, BECAUSE WATER DOESN'T MOVE NORTH VERY
EASY.
BUILD YOURSELF A RESERVOIR ABOUT 10 BILLION GALLONS AND FILL
IT.
DRAIN IT UP, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GET THE $6 BILLION?
THAT WAS THEN.
THAT WAS 30 YEARS AGO.
IT COULD BE SOLVED.
I'M SURE ENGINEER -- NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT.
TALKING ABOUT MAKING A SAVINGS OF WHAT WE HAVE FOR THE NEXT
20 OR 30 YEARS.
THAT'S WHAT THE NORMAL THING IS, POWER PLANTS, THEY HAVE TO
REGENERATE THEMSELVES EVERY 20 OR 30 YEARS.
SO DOES THIS OPERATION.
THIS IS NOT GOING TO LAST FOREVER.
I KNOW AND I'M TELLING YOU THE TRUTH.

AS A PITCHER, I NEVER THREW A FAST BALL.
HERE I'M THROWING FAST BALLS.
YOU CAN SEE THEM COMING.
THIS WILL WORK.
YOU MENTIONED TOILET TO TAP, DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL IT'S
GOT TO DO WITH STORMWATER.
I GIVE UP.
NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, IT IS INCUMBENT UPON ALL OF US, WHETHER I LIKE
IT OR NOT, TO TRY TO FIX THE BEST WE CAN WE'RE IN PUBLIC
SERVICE.
THAT'S WHAT IT IS ABOUT AND TRYING TO GET AT.
RAMIFICATIONS, SOMEONE MAY NOT LIKE IT, SURELY WILL.
SOMETHING THAT WE WORK TOGETHER TO SOLVE TO MINIMIZE THINGS,
YES, WE CAN.
AMONG ALL THOSE THINGS TOGETHER, YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THAT IT
CAN BE DONE AND THEY MENTIONED THE SIERRA CLUB.
GOT NEWS, SIERRA CLUB IN CALIFORNIA OKAYED THEIRS.
EVIDENTLY THEY DON'T TALK TO EACH OTHER.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, WHAT'S THE BEEF?
THE OLD LADY, WHAT'S THE BEEF?
HOW CAN WE SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
CAN'T SOLVE IT BY SAYING THERE IS NO BEEF.
THERE IS A BEEF HERE AND IT'S GOING TO GET BETTER AND WORSE
-- BETTER OR WORSE.

NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORTS ALL OF US.
THE ATTORNEYS AND THE INDIVIDUALS LIKE YOURSELF AND OTHERS
ARE THE PROFESSIONALS.
WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO YOU.
I BASE IT ON EVERYTHING I HEAR FROM BOTH SIDES, NOT JUST ONE
SIDE.
LIKE I SAID, NO CURVEBALLS.
JUST STRAIGHT FAST BALLS.
THAT'S IT.
I DIDN'T EVEN HAVE ONE.
3:56:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:56:22PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU, MR. BHIDE, FOR MENTIONING THAT.
I INQUIRED ON THAT BECAUSE WHEN I HEARD THAT, I DON'T LIKE
TO ASK PUBLIC QUESTIONS TO QUESTIONS I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER
TO, RIGHT?
YEAH, I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE I WENT, OKAY, THIS
MIGHT CHANGE MY PERSPECTIVE.
I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT.
AGAIN, I'M GOING TO RESTATE WHAT I SAID BEFORE, WHICH IS
MILTON FOR ME, THE EXPERIENCE OF GOING TO ALL THE HOMES IN
SOUTH TAMPA, NORTH TAMPA, TOWN N' COUNTRY, ET CETERA,
CHANGED EVERYTHING FOR ME IN TERMS OF MY PERSPECTIVE ON THIS
AND SO MANY OTHER THINGS.
IT'S THIS IS PART -- COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID IT VERY WELL,

WHICH IS THIS IS PART OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO EVENTUALLY WANT
FOR OTHER COMMUNITIES LIKE THOSE IN NORTH TAMPA.
THAT'S WHAT THE COUNTY MORTGAGE PLAN IS ABOUT AND THAT WE
WERE BRIEFED ON THIS MORNING AND DIFFERENT THINGS.
THIS IS THE END GOAL, IF YOU WILL, FOR A LOT OF IT.
THIS IS THE BEGINNING.
THIS IS THE BEGINNING, AND IF THIS PASSES BY ONE VOTE, BY
THE WAY, THIS IS A BEGINNING THAT HANGS BY ONE VOTE.
I DON'T WANT TO SAY BY A THREAD BUT ONE VOTE.
IF THINGS AREN'T DONE ACCORDING TO HOW FOLKS WANT, PASSES
MAYBE 5-2, 6-1, WHO KNOWS, BUT HANGS CAREFULLY.
WE'RE AT ROCKY ONE.
THIS IS THE BEGINNING, NOT THE END, SO TO SPEAK.
BY THE WAY, IN TERMS OF SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS, I'M GLAD TO
HAVE A DISCUSSION ON SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY.
LET'S GET THEM DONE IMMEDIATELY.
I MEAN, LIKE IMMEDIATELY.
BUT ACCOMPLISHING THAT, WE CAN DO A NUMBER OF THINGS AT ONE
TIME.
I VOTED FOR MOTIONS IN TERMS OF SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS.
MADE A FEW MYSELF AND CONTINUE TO GO DOWN THAT ROUTE.
THANK YOU.
3:58:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I APPRECIATE THE ROCKY BALBOA AND BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN
REFERENCES.

ANYBODY ELSE?
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
3:58:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
COUNCIL'S PLEASURE, FOR HOUSEKEEPING
PURPOSES, COUNCIL'S PLEASURE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, A
SOLUTION WOULD BE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF AN INCONSISTENCY,
TO TAKE THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE INITIALLY ON JUNE 20, 2024,
FILE CM-24-6831 TO AMEND THAT MOTION AND STRIKE THE CLAUSE
THAT SAYS, AND THAT COUNCIL WILL NOT VOTE OR FUND A PLAN
THAT PLACES SAID VAULTS ON BRISTOL AVENUE.
THAT WOULD MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH THE CONTRACT AND THAT
WOULD SOLVE ANY INCONSISTENCIES WITH COUNCIL'S POLICY.
3:58:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN WE HOLD OFF ON THAT DISCUSSION UNTIL
WE ARE FINISHED WITH THIS DISCUSSION?
3:59:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I'M SORRY.
3:59:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE'RE STILL IN THE TALKING ROUND.
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
3:59:07PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
VIK, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU SAID
EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD?
3:59:14PM >>VIK BHIDE:
NO, MA'AM.
THANK YOU.
3:59:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, YOU HAVE THE
MICROPHONE ON.
3:59:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
3:59:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

BEFORE WE VOTE, I WOULD SUPPORT A 120 DAY CONTINUANCE.
I WANT TO EXHAUST ALL OPTIONS BEFORE WE GO BEYOND THE POINT
OF NO RETURN BECAUSE THIS IS A LOT OF MONEY AND IT'S NOT
REALLY ABOUT THE MONEY.
IT'S ABOUT THE IMPACT.
IT'S ABOUT WILL IT WORK.
HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL BE AFFECTED.
WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENT AND ALL
THE E-MAILS BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO AFFECT A LOT OF PEOPLE,
GOOD AND BAD.
WHAT CAN WE DO IN THE SHORT TERM?
SINCE THE DAY I GOT HERE, IT'S ABOUT SPEND THE MONEY.
SPEND THE MONEY.
COST MILLIONS.
GIVE ME THE SHOVEL, WHAT CAN I DO?
NO, CAN'T DO THAT.
NO CAN'T DO THAT.
EVERYTHING IS NO.
ALL ABOUT SPENDING THE TAXPAYER DOLLAR AND ALWAYS A HUGE
AMOUNT.
STORMWATER ASSESSMENT WAS A QUARTER OF A BILLION DOLLARS,
WHICH THIS IS PART OF.
WHY CAN'T WE DO THINGS CHEAPER?
WHY CAN'T WE LOOK AT DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS?
THAT FRUSTRATES ME WITH POLITICIANS, ME BEING ONE.

EVERYTHING IS EXPENSIVE.
EVERYTHING THAT GOES TO THE GOVERNMENT IS EXPENSIVE AND
EVERYTHING IS NO UNLESS WE AWARD THIS CONTRACT AND WE DO
THIS.
I HAVE SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT THIS.
I WANT TO HELP THE PEOPLE THAT WERE FLOODED.
MILTON WAS HORRIBLE.
I HOPE TO NEVER EXPERIENCE IT AND GLAD IT WASN'T A CATEGORY
5 BECAUSE I HEARD THAT TWO DAYS BEFORE, WE'RE PREPARING FOR
A KATRINA-LIKE SITUATION.
AND I SAID IT'S OVER.
LUCKILY WE DIDN'T GET THAT.
UNFORTUNATELY IT'S HAPPENED IN OTHER PLACES.
IT'S DEVASTATING.
HOMES HAVE BEEN RUINED.
I'VE BEEN IN THOSE HOMES.
PEOPLE HAVE LOST EVERYTHING.
PEOPLE'S LIFE SAVINGS HAVE BEEN WIPED OUT.
BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO CLOSE.
BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO WORK AT THE END OF THE DAY.
IT'S GOING TO BE YEARS OUT.
BEFORE WE MAKE THESE DECISIONS, A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME.
IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING.
MAYBE IT WILL, MAYBE IT WON'T.

BUT TO HAVE ALL OPPORTUNITIES ON THE TABLE, WHAT IS 120
DAYS? THE RAINY SEASON DOESN'T START UNTIL THE SUMMER.
CONSTRUCTION ON THIS ISN'T GOING TO START UNTIL WAY BEYOND
THAT IF EVERYTHING GOES THROUGH.
THERE IS A LOT AT STAKE HERE.
THERE IS A LOT OF MONEY.
I WAS LOG AT THE TIMES EDITORIAL.
WE SHOULD TAKE A PAUSE ON THIS.
APPARENTLY, YOU KNOW, SOME OF US AGREE AND SOME OF US DON'T.
THAT'S FINE.
BUT BEFORE WE MAKE THESE BIG DECISIONS AND AWARD THESE
CONTRACTS, WE NEED TO EXHAUST ALL OPTIONS AND MAKE SURE
WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE DISCUSSION?
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
4:01:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WANT TO REITERATE WHAT I PREVIOUSLY
SAID.
THAT'S BECAUSE AGAIN THIS IS SO IMPORTANT TO SO MANY
ELEMENTS OF THE COMMUNITY, THAT IF WE PASS THIS RESOLUTION
TODAY, I KNOW YOU AND I HAD PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS, TAKE THIS
TO CONTRACTORS, THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THESE ALTERNATE
ROUTES AND THEY'LL REEVALUATE THEM AGAIN.
LOOK AT A ROUTE THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE HOWARD.
LOOK AT A PROPOSAL THAT DOES NOT GO THROUGH THE HISTORIC

NEIGHBORHOOD OF PARKLAND ESTATES.
ANYTHING THAT IMPACTS HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE GOING
THROUGH HYDE PARK, OTHER HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS, THINGS THAT
WE HOLD VERY DEAR IN THE CITY AS HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
SO MUCH OF WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH OVERLAY DISTRICTS.
HOW MANY RULES DO WE HAVE WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW
COMMISSION.
HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE PRIVATE SECTOR SPEND TO JUMP THROUGH
OUR HURDLES TO COMPLY WITH OUR RULES REFERENCE TO HISTORICAL
DISTRICTS.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT -- WE'RE TAKING THAT
GRAVITAS OF WHAT THAT COMMUNITY MEANS TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
AGAIN, ALL THESE THINGS HAVE TO WEIGH IN.
YOU AND I HAVE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO
DO THAT, THAT WE LOOK AT A ROUTE THAT GOES DOWN SWANN AVENUE
AND GOES TO HOWARD SO WE HAVE ALL OF THOSE OPTIONS ON THE
TABLE.
I DO BELIEVE THAT THE COUNCIL HAS SPOKEN IN REFERENCE TO
BRISTOL BECAUSE I THINK IT IS VERY UNIQUE AND VERY SPECIFIC
WANT, NEED AND DESIRE.
I ALSO WANT TO REITERATE THAT I HOPE THAT YOU TAKE AND I
HOPE THIS COUNCIL SUPPORTS, I BELIEVE THEY DO, THAT THIS
PROJECT, WE NEED TO EXPAND THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT TO
INCLUDE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PALMA CEIA PINES NEIGHBORHOOD
AND THE ADJACENT STREETS IS ACCOMMODATED IN THIS IN A

MEANINGFUL WAY.
4:03:49PM >>VIK BHIDE:
THAT IS OUR COMMITMENT.
NOTHING IN THE CONTRACT PRECLUDES IT.
4:03:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WANT TO MAKE SURE AS WE MOVE FORWARD
THAT WE ARE WILLING AS A CITY TO EXPAND THE SCOPE OF THIS TO
INCLUDE, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND BUSINESSES, THESE DOCTORS'
OFFICES AND SUCH, THEY HAVE SUFFERED A LOT OF LOSS, TOO.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M WILLING TO TAKE THAT LEAP OF FAITH
WITH YOU, MR. BHIDE, AND WITH THE CITY, OF KNOWING THAT
YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT.
IF WE PASS THIS TODAY, YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE ALL THOSE WANTS,
NEEDS AND DESIRES INTO ACCOUNT AS YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS
PROJECT.
I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING PRODUCTIVE MOVES IN THE COMING
MONTHS AND THEN THE COMING YEARS TO RESOLVE THIS VERY
IMPORTANT ISSUE.
SO THANK YOU.
4:04:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON AND HURTAK.
4:04:47PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
TO YOUR POINT REGARDING 120 DAYS OR FOUR
MONTHS, I DON'T SEE THERE BEING ANY SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN NOW AND 120 DAYS, FOUR MONTHS FROM NOW.
I JUST THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD.
4:05:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'M SO NICE.
I KNOW.

COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
4:05:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THE HISTORIC
NEIGHBORHOOD.
SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS STORMWATER PROJECT WENT THROUGH
AN HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE LEARNED SOME SERIOUS LESSONS FROM THAT.
SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M -- THAT'S MY COMMITMENT TO THE
COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE IS I WENT THROUGH THE SOUTHEAST
SEMINOLE HEIGHTS STORMWATER PROJECT FROM BEFORE I WAS A
COUNCIL MEMBER JUST AS A CITIZEN, HELPING ORGANIZE THE
MEETINGS, JOINING COUNCIL AND BECOMING MORE ACTIVE.
I'VE TOURED THE SITE.
FOR PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T HERE THE LAST TIME I SPOKE ON THIS,
IT GOT SO BAD THAT WE HAD TO HAVE THE CONTRACTOR HERE EVERY
TWO WEEKS TO TELL US ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON.
SO THE COMMITMENT, WE'VE LEARNED A LOT FROM THAT.
I EXPECT THAT WE WILL NOT HAVE THAT PROBLEM OF HAVING TO
BRING THE CONTRACTOR UP EVERY TWO WEEKS, BUT I WILL BE DOING
-- WE CAN DO MONTHLY TOURS.
I'LL DO THAT.
BUT I DEFINITELY WANT AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT WHEN WE TALK TO THE CONTRACTORS WHAT DID WE LEARN FROM
THE SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS PROJECT GOING THROUGH
HISTORIC AREAS?
FOR ME, I HAVE A LITTLE MORE FAITH IN THAT BECAUSE WE

LEARNED A LOT.
HERE'S THE THING, THAT COMPANY WAS COMING IN FRONT OF US
EVERY TWO WEEKS.
I DON'T REALLY HEAR FROM THEM ANYMORE.
I DON'T HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT THINGS HAVE IMPROVED.
WE'LL KEEP AN EYE ON IT.
WE HAVE TO.
THAT'S PART OF OUR JOB.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I DO BELIEVE THAT ONCE THE PROJECT
GETS STARTED, WE HAVE LEARNED ENOUGH.
AND THE IDEA THAT WE'RE DOING ALL THIS PLANNING AHEAD OF
TIME, WHICH WAS NOT DONE WITH SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, IT
KIND OF WAS LEARN AS YOU GO.
AND THAT WAS ROUGH.
4:07:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND THEN COUNCIL
MEMBER CLENDENIN WANTED TEN SECONDS.
4:07:12PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST QUICKLY, MR. BHIDE, YOU OBVIOUSLY WILL
HAVE THE CHANCE TO MOVE FORWARD AND KEEP ALL THE PROMISES
THAT YOU AND YOUR TEAM HAVE MADE.
I'M STILL GOING TO VOTE AGAINST IT FOR THE CONCERNS I
MENTIONED A MINUTE AGO.
YOU HAVE KIMMINS AND KIMMINS IS A GREAT TEAM.
WHEN KIMMINS WORKS ON SOMETHING, I NEVER GET COMPLAINTS AT
ALL.
MacDILL 48 WAS INCREDIBLY FRUITFUL IN LISTENING TO THE

PUBLIC.
THE COMMUNITY IS WALKING INTO THIS WITH A BUNCH OF CONCERNS.
I HOPE YOU LOOK AT ALL DESIGN SOLUTIONS, ALL ROUTES.
IF YOU HONESTLY DO THAT AND TAKE THE COMMUNITY THROUGH A
PROCESS, THE GOAL SHOULD BE WHEN YOU COME BACK THAT YOU GET
SEVEN VOTES AND NOBODY COMPLAINING IN THE PUBLIC.
THE GOAL HERE HAS GOT TO BE CONSENSUS IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE'VE GOT TO ALL WORK TOGETHER.
I'M AGAINST VOTING FOR THIS BUT LET'S NOT HAVE DIVISION WHEN
THIS COMES BACK BEFORE US.
LET'S HAVE UNIFICATION IN THE COMMUNITY.
4:08:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I FORGOT TO MENTION SOMETHING.
I HEARD SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT MILTON CHANGING THINGS.
SCRATCH MY HEAD, HOW DID MILTON?
CLIMATE CHANGE, RISING SEA LEVELS.
THE DAY BEFORE MILTON REALLY ISN'T DIFFERENT AS THE DAY
AFTER MILTON.
AS GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, AS FAR AS HOW
WE BUILD, HOW WE DEVELOP, HOW WE'RE DOING LOT SPLITS.
WE ARE THE LAND USE PEOPLE HERE.
I HOPE EVERYBODY REMEMBERS THESE LESSONS WHEN WE GO FORTH
AND WE START AND WE DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES AS WE'RE
DEVELOPING THE CITY OF TAMPA OF MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE
RESILIENT, MAKING SURE THAT WE TAKE THESE TYPE OF ISSUES
INTO ACCOUNT IN EVERY DECISION WE MAKE AS COUNCIL AND HOW

WE'RE APPROVING THESE NEIGHBORHOOD PDs.
AGAIN, IT'S NOT GOING TO GET ANY BETTER.
IT'S JUST GOING TO GET WORSE.
4:09:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
4:09:10PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU FOR THAT, COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
WHAT I SAY IS, IT CHANGES URGENCY AND, QUITE FRANKLY,
INTENSITY.
TOMORROW I'LL VISIT FOUR PEOPLE, ALL WORKING CLASS PEOPLE IN
NORTH TAMPA WHO LOST EVERYTHING, HAVE NO FLOOD INSURANCE.
AND THEY DON'T HAVE MUCH ANYWHERE TO GO.
ONE FELLOW IS LIVING IN A TRAILER.
SATURDAY I'LL VISIT THREE MORE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY I VISITED AT THEIR HOMES.
IT'S NOT IN TERMS OF POLICY.
IT'S IN TERMS OF URGENCY.
AND INTENSITY.
THAT'S IT.
YEAH, PROBABLY ABOUT TEN THIS WEEKEND.
THAT'S MY VIEW.
4:09:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
A ROLL CALL VOTE.
4:09:52PM >> POINT OF ORDER --
4:09:54PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WELL, MY READING OF IT, COUNCIL'S PLEASURE
NOT TO DO THAT TODAY, I'LL BRING IT BACK UP AGAIN WHEN IT

COMES TIME TO VOTE ON A FUND, WHEN IT COMES BACK TO COUNCIL.
THIS IS NOT YOUR FINAL OPPORTUNITY.
4:10:10PM >>THE CLERK:
THIS IS FOR ITEMS 58 AND 59.
4:10:13PM >> YES.
4:10:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THEM TOGETHER?
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
4:10:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
4:10:19PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
4:10:20PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
4:10:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
4:10:23PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
4:10:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
4:10:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
4:10:27PM >>THE CLERK:
THE MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON AND MANISCALCO
VOTING NO.
4:10:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ITEM NUMBER 60.
THIS IS MR. BAIRD UNLESS THERE IS SOMEBODY ELSE.
4:10:53PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF WE COULD ASK PEOPLE TO BE QUIET ON THE
WAY OUT.
I BELIEVE THERE IS A GENTLEMAN HERE WHO IS IN FROM OUT OF
TOWN ON THIS.
AND HE WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE IT HEARD TODAY, IF
YOU CAN DO IT BRIEFLY.

I SUSPECT HE'S PREPARED.
IT IS THE GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK.
I UNDERSTAND MR. McCRAY IS HERE.
AS LONG AS WE HAVE PEOPLE MOVING OUT QUIETLY, MAYBE WE CAN
HAVE THAT DONE.
4:11:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HELLO, MR. McCRAY.
4:11:24PM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
CEDRIC McCRAY, INTERIM COMMUNITY
REDEVELOPMENT AREA MANAGER.
HERE FOR ITEM 60 TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE AND ANSWER QUESTIONS
YOU HAVE.
REPRESENTATIVES FROM LAMB COULD NOT BE HERE DUE TO
CONFLICTS.
I'M HERE TO BRIEFLY DISCUSS THE PROJECT AND ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS MOVING FORWARD.
4:11:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. McCRAY?
YOU SAID THERE WAS SOMEONE HERE FROM OUT OF TOWN.
4:11:51PM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT UNTIL A FEW MOMENTS
AGO.
4:11:55PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK THE CONCERN IN THE COMMUNITY IS IT'S
NOT MOVING FORWARD.
I THINK YOU HAVE AN UPDATE THAT IT IS MOVING FORWARD.
4:12:01PM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
YES.
WORK IS SCHEDULED TO START IN JANUARY OF 2025.
4:12:06PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE?
ANY OTHER DATA THAT YOU CAN -- SORRY TO MAKE YOU WAIT SO

LONG.
4:12:12PM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
NO COMPLETION DATE YET ANTICIPATED.
WORK IS SCHEDULED TO START IN JANUARY OF NEXT YEAR.
4:12:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DO WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND?
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
4:12:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ITEM 66, REQUEST TO HAVE SOMEBODY HERE.
STAFF WILL BE PRESENT.
HELLO, MR. MULKEY IS IT YOU?
4:12:46PM >>TONY MULKEY:
TONY MULKEY, PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR.
I'M HERE TO FOLLOW UP ON A MOTION FOR SOME INFORMATION ABOUT
THE VENDING AND CATERING AT THE TAMPA RIVER CENTER AND TO
DISCUSS POTENTIAL POLICY UPDATES TO THAT.
THIS WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FOR A WORKSHOP IN LATE
SEPTEMBER THAT WAS INTERRUPTED BY SOME WEATHER.
BUT JUST A REAL BRIEF HISTORY ON THIS, THE RIVER CENTER
OPENED IN 2018.
AND WE WENT OUT WITH RFQ TO FIND VENDORS FOR CATERING
SERVICES THERE.
WE EMULATED THE PRIVATE MARKET AND THE STRUCTURE THAT MANY
OTHER VENUES USED WHEN WE WERE ESTABLISHING OUR FEES AND
ESTABLISHING OUR APPROACH TO HAVING PREFERRED VENDORS.

WE WENT BACK TO THE MARKET IN 2022, AND THAT RESULTED IN THE
CURRENT LIST OF PREFERRED VENDORS THAT EXPIRE IN APRIL OF
2025.
WITH CONCERNS ABOUT OPPORTUNITY AND EQUITY AND JUST BASIC
KIND OF ADAPTATION TO THE ACTIVITIES AND THE EVENTS THAT THE
COMMUNITY WANTED, THERE'S BEEN A REQUEST TO SEE WHAT WE
COULD DO TO BE MORE INCLUSIVE AND ADD MORE PEOPLE, LENGTHEN
THE BENCH, IF YOU WILL.
SO WHAT I AM HERE TO KIND OF PROPOSE AND I'M KIND OF REALLY
CURTAILING SOME OF THE INFORMATION HERE, MOVING FORWARD WE
ARE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH AN RFP PROCESS.
THAT LOCKS US IN FOR TOO LONG WITH TOO FEW VENDORS.
WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP THE PROCESS TO ALLOW FOR YEAR-ROUND
APPROVALS OF VENDORS AND CATERERS.
THERE WILL BE GUIDELINES, OF COURSE, THEY HAVE TO MEET
PROPER LICENSING.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO THE RULES OF THE FACILITY AS
WELL AS GO THROUGH AN ORIENTATION FOR THE RIVER CENTER.
THIS WILL ALLOW PEOPLE TO BRING THEIR OWN VENDORS IN AND WE
WILL HELP GUIDE THEM THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
WE WOULD TRY TO CONVEY THAT INFORMATION VERY PUBLICLY, VERY
TRANSPARENTLY TO AVOID SOME OF THE PERCEIVED CONFLICTS AND
JUST KIND OF CLUNKY ADAPTATIONS AS WE'VE GROWN WITH THE
RIVER CENTER AND NOW KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE
OPERATIONS AND THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS ARE.

I'LL KIND OF LEAVE IT THERE TO ASK QUESTIONS, BUT OUR
TIMELINE ON THIS IS BEGINNING OF JANUARY TO REALLY START
ROLLING THIS OUT TO BROADCAST IT WITH ALL THE DETAILS.
THERE ARE A FEW THINGS TO STILL WORK THROUGH, BUT WE'RE VERY
CLOSE.
AND THEN BE ABLE TO BRING PEOPLE INTO THE FOLD AS THOSE
OTHER CONTRACTS EXPIRE.
ONCE THEY GET ON THAT LIST, AS LONG AS THEY MAINTAIN THEIR
STATUSES, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO STAY THERE AND OPERATE.
4:15:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, THIS WAS YOUR
ORIGINAL MOTION.
DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR SATISFIED WITH THE REPORT?
4:15:39PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE HAD AN EXTENSIVE MEETING THIS WEEK.
ATTORNEY BRODY, I AM VERY HAPPY WITH THE END RESULT OF
WHAT'S GOING TO BE COMING FORWARD AND I DON'T WANT TO
BELABOR THE POINT.
I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
IT PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE PEOPLE TO SERVICE JBL.
4:15:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
4:15:59PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
THIS WAS A GREAT IDEA.
GREAT INSIGHT.
THANK YOU TO MR. MULKEY AND STAFF FOR BEING FLEXIBLE ON
THIS.
THIS IS A GREAT THING FOR THE COMMUNITY.

4:16:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE TODAY.
THAT CONCLUDES THAT.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA.
CAN WE HOLD NEW BUSINESS UNTIL TONIGHT?
68 WAS RESCHEDULED.
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
4:16:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST NEED --
4:16:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
4:16:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ALL I NEEDED TO DO WAS MOVE THE THINGS I SAID
I WAS GOING TO MOVE THIS MORNING.
I'M GOING TO RESCHEDULE TWO OF MY IN-PERSON STAFF REPORTS
SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER 19, 2024, TO FEBRUARY 20, 2025.
STAFF TO WORK ON THE CITY COUNCIL -- WITH THE CITY COUNCIL
BUDGET ANALYST TO CREATE A FIVE-MINUTE IN-PERSON REPORT TO
PRESENT AN OVERVIEW OF THE RECENTLY COMPLETED $45 MILLION
TAMPA CONVENTION CENTER RENOVATION PROJECT AND STAFF TO
PRESENT A FIVE-MINUTE IN-PERSON REPORT ON OVERVIEW OF THE
SOON TO BE COMPLETED LOWER PENINSULA WATERSHED PLAN PROJECT.
4:17:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION -- YES, SIR.
WAIT.
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK WITH A MOTION.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR?

AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
4:17:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ONE MORE.
I WANT TO PRESENT A COMMENDATION TO THE WOMEN'S HISTORY
COMMITTEE AT THE WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH ANNUAL CELEBRATION ON
MARCH 4, 2025 AT THE TAMPA HISTORY CENTER.
4:17:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
ANYTHING ELSE?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DO YOU NEED TO MAKE IT RIGHT NOW?
4:17:31PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADD A
BIANNUAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROSPECTIVELY REPORT AND
PRESENTATION WORKSHOP MEETING FEBRUARY 27 OF 2025.
4:17:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE BY COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
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