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THURSDAY, JANUARY 16, 2025, 9:00 A.M.

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[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
9:01:41AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
GOOD MORNING.
WE'RE CALLING THIS JANUARY FIRST OF THE YEAR CRA BOARD
MEETING TO ORDER.
WE'RE GOING TO START WITH OUR INVOCATION AND OUR PLEDGE OF
ALLEGIANCE.
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON HAS SOMEONE TO INTRODUCE FOR OUR --
9:01:54AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
I HAVE BILL MITCHELL.
BILL IS A NATIVE FLORIDIAN WHO MOVED TO THE TAMPA AREA IN
2008 TO HELP ESTABLISH THE AIR FORCE RESERVE AIR REFUELING
WING AT MACDILL AIR FORCE BASE.
WHILE SERVING IN AIR FORCE, ATTENDED UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA,
STETSON COLLEGE OF LAW.
CURRENTLY WORKS AT THE NATIONAL LAW FIRM OF GORDON, REECE
WHERE HE HANDLES A WIDE VARIETY OF LITIGATION MATTERS WITH
FOCUS ON INSURANCE DEFENSE.
HE WAS PREVIOUSLY APPOINTED TO SEVERAL BOARDS BY THE

HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY COMMISSION, EARLIER THIS WEEK APPOINTED
BY THE PINELLAS COUNTY COMMISSION TO SERVE AS A BOARD MEMBER
OF THE FEATHER SOUND COMMUNITY SERVICES DISTRICT AND HE'S
WEARING A SCREEN USED TIE FROM THE OFFICE.
FIGURE I WOULD TELL BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO PROBABLY KNOWS
THAT.
IF WE ALL WILL RISE, PLEASE, FOR THE INVOCATION AND THEN THE
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
THANK YOU.
9:02:53AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU HAVE BLESSED OUR CITY WITH INCLUDING
THE WONDERFUL PEOPLE THAT YOU BROUGHT INTO OUR LIVES,
ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT HELPED TO MAKE THE CITY BETTER.
THANK YOU FOR THE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY WHO ARE DEDICATED
IN THEIR LIVES TO SERVING OTHERS.
THANK YOU ESPECIALLY FOR THEM.
THANK YOU FOR OUR FREEDOMS IN OUR COUNTRY HERE THAT WE SO
OFTEN TAKE FOR GRANTED THAT WE ENJOY HERE.
FOR THE ASK PART, LORD, I ASK THAT YOU BRING HEALING AND
COMFORT TO THOSE IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO ARE HURTING, THOSE
THAT ARE SICK, TIRED, LONELY, AND THOSE THAT ARE GRIEVING
TODAY.
HELP US ALL, LORD, TO BE BETTER FRIENDS TO THEM AND BE A
FRIEND TO SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE A FRIEND.
HELP US TO BE BETTER CITIZENS IN THIS WORLD AND TO TREAT

OTHERS THE WAY WE WOULD WANT TO BE TREATED.
BLESS THIS MEETING, LORD, AND THOSE THAT WILL PARTICIPATE IN
IT, CONTINUE TO BLESS OUR CITY AND BE WITH US THROUGH THE
UPCOMING GASPARILLA CELEBRATION.
HELP THAT TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND HELP WHATEVER THAT LIGHT WAS
THAT JUST BROKE GET FIXED.
[ LAUGHTER ]
AND ALL OF OUR HEARTS SURVIVE THAT.
LORD, WE ASK ALL THESE THINGS IN YOUR NAME.
AGAIN, WE THANK YOU FOR SO MUCH THAT YOU HAVE DONE FOR US.
IN YOUR HOLY NAME, AMEN.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:04:48AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
OKAY.
WE HAVE A FEW HOUSEKEEPING THINGS.
BOARD MEMBER VIERA IS STUCK IN TRAFFIC.
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
9:05:05AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
9:05:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
9:05:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
9:05:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
9:05:10AM >> VIERA?
MIRANDA?
9:05:11AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
9:05:11AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PRESENT.

9:05:13AM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
9:05:15AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
BOARD MEMBER VIERA IS STUCK IN TRAFFIC THIS AFTERNOON AND HE
WILL BE HERE.
ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE MY INTERN FROM THE
UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA, ALEX BURMEL.
UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA.
GO BULLS.
SHE IS FROM CHICAGO, ILLINOIS, POLITICAL SCIENCE MAJOR,
GRADUATING SENIOR.
SO PLEASE WELCOME HER TO CITY COUNCIL.
[ APPLAUSE ]
ALSO, OUR BOARD ATTORNEY IS ONLINE FOR THE DURATION OF THIS
MEETING.
I WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT AS WELL.
CAN I HAVE AN ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH?
9:06:04AM >> SO MOVED.
9:06:06AM >> SECOND.
9:06:07AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM BOARD MEMBER
MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
9:06:12AM >> AYE.
9:06:13AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OKAY.
THANK YOU.

NOW WE WILL COME UP FOR -- MR. McCRAY TO COME UP FOR ANY
HOUSEKEEPING FOR OUR AGENDA TODAY.
9:06:26AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
GOOD MORNING.
CRA BOARD MEMBERS, HAPPY NEW YEAR.
CEDRIC McCRAY, INTERIM CRA DIRECTOR.
ULTIMATELY WE WILL BE FOLLOWING THE AGENDA AS WRITTEN.
I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THERE WAS A SCRIVENER'S ERROR
ON THE APPLICATIONS, THE MEMO FOR THE WEST TAMPA CRA.
THAT WILL BE CORRECTED.
OTHER THAN THAT, THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE AGENDA.
9:06:52AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OKAY.
9:07:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THOUGHT WE WERE MOVING NUMBER 5 TO FEBRUARY
13.
9:07:05AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
MY APOLOGIES.
THAT IS CORRECT.
9:07:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO MOVED.
9:07:10AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER HURTAK.
SECOND BY BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR FOR MOVING ITEM FILE CRA 24-8173.
ALSO, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
9:07:25AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE COULD GET TO THIS LATER, BUT TO BRING IT
UP NOW, NUMBER 10, THE EAST TAMPA APPOINTMENTS, I GOT SOME
FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY.
MAYBE YOU ALL DID TOO.
THERE ARE TWO SLOTS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR NEIGHBORHOOD

ASSOCIATIONS.
THE NEIGHBORHOODS DID NOT RESPOND AND THERE'S BEEN A REQUEST
IN THE COMMUNITY TO GIVE THEM ANOTHER 30 DAYS TO RESPOND,
FAILING OF WHICH THAT TWO GENERAL APPOINTMENT WOULD BE.
9:07:50AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YOU WANT TO PULL THIS FOR DISCUSSION?
9:07:54AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MY SUGGESTION IS THAT WE CONTINUE IT UNTIL
THE NEXT MEETING, UNLESS ANYONE OBJECTS.
9:08:01AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE
APPOINTMENTS.
THERE MAY BE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT.
LET'S PULL IT FOR DISCUSSION AND THEN GO FROM THERE.
9:08:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AGREE.
BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME OF THE FOLKS HERE, APPOINTEES.
9:08:14AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
CORRECT.
LET'S PULL FOR DISCUSSION.
ANYONE WANT TO PULL ANYTHING ELSE UNDER REQUIRED APPROVALS?
DO I NEED A MOTION TO PULL ITEM NUMBER 10?
NO.
WE DON'T HAVE TO FORMALLY DO IT.
OKAY.
ALL RIGHT.
ANYTHING ELSE, MR. McCRAY?
9:08:31AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
NO, MA'AM, THAT IS IT.
9:08:33AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ALL RIGHT.
LET'S START WITH ITEM NUMBER 1.

9:08:35AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
THANK YOU.
AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO CALL FORWARD MS. COURTNEY ORR.
9:08:39AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES, LET'S APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR TODAY.
9:08:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO MOVED.
9:08:43AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
9:08:43AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
9:08:47AM >> AYE.
9:08:54AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ARE YOU GOING TO INTRODUCE OUR TAMPA
HEIGHTS SPEAKER?
OH, YEAH, PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:09:01AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
THE NEXT PERSON YOU WILL HEAR FROM IS
MS. COURTNEY ORR.
9:09:06AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I DON'T MIND MAKING MISTAKES.
WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST.
THOSE INTERESTED IN PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND
STAND ALONG THE WALL.
ALSO, WE CAN HEAR FROM BOARD MEMBER ATTORNEY TO PROVIDE US
WITH THE RULES FOR THIS MEETING.
9:09:29AM >> I'M SORRY.
I'VE BEEN THROWN A CURVE.
YOU MEAN ABOUT HOW LONG PEOPLE CAN SPEAK, MA'AM?
9:09:34AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THREE MINUTES.
9:09:36AM >> WHEN YOU SAY THE RULES FOR THIS MEETING, THAT IS THE PART
I'M CONFUSED BY.

9:09:40AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES, PUBLIC COMMENT.
THEY HAVE THREE MINUTES.
IT'S OKAY.
WE CAN GET STARTED.
NO PROBLEM.
GO AHEAD AND PROCEED.
MA'AM, COME ON UP.
9:09:56AM >> GOOD MORNING, CRA BOARD MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS MARYBETH WILLIAMS.
I AM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF FRIENDS OF THE TAMPA
RIVERWALK AS WELL AS I SERVE AS THE DOWNTOWN CRA CAC CHAIR.
I'M HERE TODAY TO EXPRESS FRIENDS OF THE RIVERWALK SUPPORT
FOR THE ALLOCATION OF $10 MILLION TOWARDS COMPLETING THE
WEST RIVER DISTRICT MULTIMODAL NETWORK AND SAFETY
IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT.
THAT IS A MOUTHFUL.
WE BELIEVE THIS INITIATIVE WILL BE A GAME-CHANGER FOR OUR
COMMUNITY, CONNECTING NEIGHBORHOODS, ENHANCING MOBILITY AND
MAKING TAMPA'S WATERFRONT MORE ACCESSIBLE AND INCLUSIVE FOR
EVERYONE.
THE PROJECT WILL FILL CRITICAL GAPS IN A 12.2-MILE MULTIUSE
PATHWAY ALONG THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
SEAMLESSLY CONNECTING DOWNTOWN TAMPA WITH SURROUNDING
NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE WEST TAMPA AND TAMPA HEIGHTS.
IT PRIORITIZES SAFETY AND ACCESSIBILITY, CREATING DEDICATED

SPACES FOR PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS THAT SEPARATE THEM
FROM VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.
BEYOND IMPROVING MOBILITY, THIS EFFORT ADDRESSES KEY
COMMUNITY PRIORITIES LIKE INCORPORATING TRAFFIC-CALMING
MEASURES TO COMPLETE STREET DESIGNS THAT WILL REDUCE CRASHES
AND ALIGN TAMPA'S VISION ZERO GOALS.
THE PATHWAY WILL BRIDGE NEIGHBORHOODS, MAKING IT EASIER FOR
RESIDENTS TO ACCESS JOBS, SCHOOLS, PARKS, AND ESSENTIAL
SERVICES.
SHORELINE RESTORATION WILL HELP FILTER STORMWATER RUNOFF AND
PROTECT AGAINST HIGH TIDES AND STORMS.
A CONNECTED VIBRANT WATERFRONT ATTRACTS VISITORS AND
INVESTMENTS CREATING A MORE DYNAMIC AND PROSPEROUS TAMPA.
FRIENDS OF THE RIVERWALK IS COMMITTED TO MAKING OUR
WATERFRONT A DESTINATION THAT UNITES OUR CITY, COMPLETING
THIS PROJECT ALIGNS PERFECTLY WITH THE VISION BY CREATING A
SAFER, MORE INCLUSIVE SPACE THAT BRINGS PEOPLE TOGETHER AND
PROVIDES OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALL.
WE URGE YOU TO APPROVE THIS FUNDING AND HELP US TO REALIZE A
CONNECTED, THRIVING RIVERWALK THAT REFLECTS TAMPA'S BRIGHT
FUTURE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR LEADERSHIP IN MAKING THIS
TRANSFORMATIVE VISION A REALITY.
9:12:16AM >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIR.
9:12:18AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
GOOD MORNING.

9:12:19AM >> BOARD MEMBERS, HAPPY NEW YEAR.
I HOPE I CAN GET THROUGH ALL OF THIS.
I AM FRAN TATE, CAC OF EAST TAMPA BOARD MEMBER.
I SENT A LETTER TO ALL OF YOU YESTERDAY.
I HOPE YOU RECEIVED IT.
I FIRST SHARED MY CONCERNS IN 2022 AND 2023.
IN 2024, DURING THE RESTRUCTURING TIME, I GAVE TIME FOR
IMPLEMENTATION.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE AT 2025 WITH THE SAME CONCERNS OF THE
EAST TAMPA CAC BOARD.
FIRST OF ALL, COMMUNICATION CHALLENGES WE ARE HAVING.
LACK OF CLARITY AND INFORMATION PROVIDED TO THE CAC OF EAST
TAMPA.
IT IS OFTEN INCOMPLETE AND UNCLEAR.
BOARD MEETING DOCUMENTS ARE OFTEN LATE AS WELL AS
COMMUNICATION WITH THE EAST TAMPA CRA DIRECTOR.
CAC TRAINING CONCERNING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HAS NOT EXISTED
AND THAT IS SO MUCH IMPORTANT FOR US TO EXIST.
MEMBERS OF THE CAC APPEAR TO BE SELECTED BY THE STAFF.
ARBITRARY APPLICATION OF PROCESS FOR SELECTION OF THE EAST
TAMPA CRA CAC BOARD MEMBERS.
ARE ALL OF THE CAC BOARD MEMBERS SUBJECT TO BACKGROUND
CHECKS AND PROVIDE TRANSCRIPTS?
THESE INSTANCES HAVE WEAKENED TRUST AND MORALE WITHIN THE
COMMUNITY AND HINDERS CAC EFFECTIVENESS.

STAFF CHALLENGES.
THE ATTITUDE AND BEHAVIOR OF THE EAST TAMPA CRA STAFF TOWARD
THE CAC HAVE BEEN DISMISSIVE AND UNPROFESSIONAL.
DISMISSIVE BEHAVIOR.
WHILE THE CAC SERVES IN AN ADVISORY CAPACITY, ITS MEMBERS
VOLUNTEER SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF TIME AND PUT THEIR PERSONAL
REPUTATIONS ON THE LINE MOST DEFINITELY TO SERVE THE
COMMUNITY.
IT IS DISHEARTENING AND COUNTERPRODUCTIVE WHEN STAFF MEMBERS
TREAT CAC MEMBERS WITH DISMISSIVENESS OR LACK OF
COMMUNICATION.
THE LACK OF MUTUAL RESPECT UNDERMINES OUR COLLECTIVE
MISSION.
PROJECTS REQUESTED AND APPROVED BY THE CAC ARE NOT PRIORITY
PROJECTS.
LIKE MARKETING AND OUTREACH AND THE GATOR BUILDING, BUT THE
STAFF WORKS ON PROJECTS THAT THEY CHOOSE TO MOVE, SUCH AS
1102 CURTIS STREET, AKA DESTINATION CHURCH, AND IN 1903 EAST
PALIFOX STREET.
CONCLUSION: I RESPECTFULLY URGE THE CRA BOARD TO TAKE THE
FOLLOWING ACTIONS: ENHANCE COMMUNICATION PROTOCOLS, ENSURE
THAT ALL PRESENTATIONS TO THE CAC INCLUDE COMPLETE AND
DETAILED INFORMATION, PARTICULARLY ON BUDGETARY IMPACTS AND
ARE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, PROMOTE UNITY AND
COLLABORATION, ADDRESS THE PATTERNS AND DIVISIONS AND

INCONSISTENCY BY FOSTERING A CULTURE OF TRANSPARENCY AND
INCLUSIVENESS.
9:15:38AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I'LL STOP YOU THERE, MS. TATE.
YOUR TIME IS UP.
IF YOU WANT TO PROVIDE US WITH THE NOTES, YOU ARE FREE TO DO
SO.
9:15:45AM >> AS WELL AS THE ONES YOU RECEIVED ALREADY?
9:15:47AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE HAVE YOUR DOCUMENTATION RIGHT HERE.
9:15:49AM >> THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE THE TIME SO MUCH.
GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU.
9:15:52AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
9:15:57AM >> UHURU.
MENTESNOT.
MEANS ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
UHURU MEANS FREEDOM IN SWAHILI.
I WANT TO SAY THIS MORNING, WHITE PEOPLE HAVE A CERTAIN
DISREGARD AND DISRESPECT FOR AFRICAN PEOPLE.
REASON FOR THAT.
A LOT OF TIMES THEY TRY TO AVOID IT.
TRY TO DISCUSS OVER IT.
TRY TO OVERTALK YOU WHATSOEVER.
WHITE PEOPLE SEE US AS SLAVES OR GLORIFIED PETS, NOTHING
MORE AND NOTHING LESS.

SO WHEN YOU ENCOUNTER A WHITE PERSON OR WHEN A WHITE PERSON
ENCOUNTER AFRICAN, HAVE A DEGREE OF SUSPICION OR HOSTILITY.
WHEN WHITE PEOPLE, MALCOLM LUTHER KING, MALCOLM X, FRED
HAMPTON, MILLIONS OF OTHER AFRICANS, THEY NEVER SEEN AN
AFRICAN SERVING IN THAT CAPACITY AS A HUMAN BEING.
SO THOSE PARTICULAR INDIVIDUALS WERE MURDERED,
STATE-SPONSORED MURDER, REGULAR WHITE PEOPLE MURDERED,
LYNCHED, WHATSOEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
IN THIS CITY COUNCIL, IN A CITY ORGANIZED SINCE 1865, THE
WHITE PEOPLE IN GOVERNMENT NEVER SEEN A REAL AFRICAN.
NEVER ENCOUNTERED A REAL AFRICAN.
WHEN I STARTED COMING TO THE CITY COUNCIL, I WAS ARRESTED,
THROWN IN HANDCUFFS IN THE BACK OF POLICE CARS, HAD TO DO
JAIL TIME JUST FOR ATTEMPTING TO COME TO THIS PODIUM AND
SPEAK.
WHITE PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE OUTLAW MOTORCYCLE GANG OR
SOMETHING.
I DON'T KNOW.
BUT THAT'S HOW THEY SEE AFRICANS.
AND WHEN YOU TALK OF SUBJECT MATTERS THAT INTERESTS ALL OF
HUMANITY, WHITE PEOPLE FEEL YOU ARE OUTSIDE OF YOUR LANE
BECAUSE THEY SAY AFRICANS AREN'T INCORPORATED OR SHOULDN'T
BE INCORPORATED IN SOCIETY IN A CERTAIN WAY BECAUSE THEY
DON'T SEE US AS HUMAN BEINGS.
POLICE OFFICERS SEE YOU, KILL YOU FOR NO REASON, BEAT YOU

FOR NO REASON, ARREST YOU FOR NO REASON.
PUT FAKE CHARGES ON YOU FOR NO REASON.
WHY?
THEY ARE NOT USED TO SEEING A REAL AFRICAN.
AND WHAT I'M HERE TO SAY IS IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT I'VE SPOKEN
OF, WHEN PEOPLE HEAR AFRICANS SPEAK OF REPUTATIONS, THEY
THINK IT IS A BIG DEAL.
YOU ALL NEED TO GET A JOB.
REPUTATIONS IS 1% OF THE AFRICAN PROBLEM OR CONCERN.
BUT JUST AS COMING HERE AND BEING ARRESTED FOR TRYING TO
COME TO THIS SAME PODIUM TO SPEAK IS THE SAME AS GOING TO
THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY CLERK OF THE CIRCUIT COURT AND TRY
TO DO ANYTHING.
I'M BANNED FROM FILING ANY MOTIONS IN THE COURT SYSTEM.
THAT'S STRANGER THAN USUAL, BUT WHAT I'M HERE TO SAY IS FOR
2025, I'M GOING TO SPEAK ON ONE MATTER AND ONE SUBJECT
MATTER ONLY, AND THAT'S CHILD SUPPORT.
VERY MONOTONE.
9:19:10AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YOUR TIME IS UP.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
WE DON'T SEE YELLOW BEFORE WE SEE RED ON THE TIME CLOCK.
CAN THEY ADDRESS THAT?
I WANT TO GIVE EVERYONE THEIR RIGHTFUL AMOUNT OF TIME TO
SPEAK.
THE THREE SPEAKERS, IF I DID SHORTEN YOUR TIME, DO I

APOLOGIZE.
IT WAS NOT INTENTIONAL.
THE RED LIGHT CAME ON AND SAID THE TIME WAS UP.
9:19:52AM >> GOOD MORNING, ESTEEMED BOARD MEMBERS.
NATHALIE HALSALL.
I WAS MADE AWARE THAT THE DETERMINATION OF MY APPOINTMENT TO
THE EAST TAMPA CAC WAS ON YOUR AGENDA TODAY.
I AM SINCERELY GRATEFUL TO EVEN BE CONSIDERED FOR THIS ROLE.
I KNOW I WASN'T REQUIRED TO COME TO THIS HEARING, BUT I
WANTED TO PUBLICLY EXPRESS MY INTEREST IN SERVING ON THE
EAST TAMPA CAC.
I BELIEVE I CAN PROVIDE VALUABLE INSIGHT AND REPRESENTATION
IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF MY PROFESSIONAL
EXPERIENCE, BUT ALSO BECAUSE OF MY PERSONAL BACKGROUND.
AS A TAMPANIAN, I HAVE MANY FOND CHILDHOOD MEMORIES THAT
TOOK PLACE IN EAST TAMPA.
LIKE GOING TO MIDDLE SCHOOL OR GOING TO THE MARKETS AND
STORES THAT CAN ONLY BE FOUND IN THAT AREA IN THE EARLY
2000s.
I GENUINELY WANT TO HELP MAKE THIS COMMUNITY A BETTER PLACE
FOR THE NEXT GENERATION OF TAMPANIANS BECAUSE IT WAS SO
FORMATIVE TO MY GENERATION.
I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A GREAT RESPONSIBILITY AND I'M PREPARED
TO GIVE 110% IF GIVEN THE CHANCE TO DO SO.
THANK YOU.

9:20:54AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
GOOD MORNING.
9:21:06AM >> GOOD MORNING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
MY NAME IS OMAR GERMANY.
THIS IS MY BEAUTIFUL WIFE, LENNISE GERMANY.
WE ARE THE OWNERS OF LIVY O'S CATERING.
WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR TEN YEARS.
WE ACTUALLY CELEBRATED OUR TEN-YEAR ANNIVERSARY LAST YEAR.
NORMALLY WHEN I COME TO THESE MEETINGS, I HEAR A LOT OF
CONCERNS ABOUT THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY ARE BRINGING TO YOU
GUYS.
WE WANTED TO BRING SOME GOOD NEWS.
WE WERE SELECTED BY THE TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY TO BRING A
PROJECT TO THE WEST RIVER AREA.
SO WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THE RENAISSANCE BUILDING, AND WE ARE
BUILDING A RESTAURANT CALLED KULTURE KITCHEN.
WE HAVE SOME RENDERINGS RIGHT HERE.
WE WANT TO GO OVER THEM AND GIVE YOU A BRIEF OUTLOOK OF
WHAT'S TO COME.
9:21:54AM >> THE PURPOSE --
9:21:55AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YOU NEED TO STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE
RECORD.
9:21:57AM >> MY NAME IS LENNISE GERMANY, CEO AND EXECUTIVE CHEF.
SPECIFICALLY, JUST IN RESULT TO THE WEST RIVER PROJECT, WE

UNDERSTAND THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA TODAY.
AND FOR US, THAT WEST RIVER PROJECT IS SUPER IMPORTANT WHEN
IT COMES TO TRANSPORTATION AND ACCESS.
I AM A TAMPA NATIVE.
I HAVE FAIRLY ENJOYED WHAT WE HAVE DONE TO THE AMATEUR WORKS
AND THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER.
HOWEVER, WEST TAMPA CANNOT BE ABANDONED.
IT NEEDS TO BE EQUAL.
IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT A BLACK-OWNED BUSINESS SHOWCASING IN A
VERY HISTORICAL DISTRICT, BUT IT REALLY TRULY IS ABOUT UNITY
FOR US.
THE NAME OF THE RESTAURANT IS CALLED KULTURE KITCHEN
SPECIFICALLY TO BRING ALL CULTURES TOGETHER.
IT IS BY US, TOLD BY BLACK PEOPLE, MADE BY BLACK PEOPLE,
YES.
BUT FOR US, EVERYONE HAS A SEAT AT THE TABLE.
THE ONLY WAY THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE EVERYONE HAVE
A SEAT AT THE TABLE IS FOR EVERYONE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THAT
SPACE.
SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS A VERY NICE HIGH-END RESTAURANT.
WE ARE NOT A LITTLE HOLE IN THE WALL, MOM AND POP.
NO DISRESPECT TO ANY RESTAURANTS WHO ARE THAT.
BUT FOR US, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO SHOWCASE THAT
BLACK EXCELLENCE THAT PEOPLE HEAR ABOUT.
SO FOR US WE WANT TO SHOW YOU BETTER THAN WE CAN TELL YOU.

SO WE NEED THE ACCESS OF WHAT EXACTLY YOU HAVE DONE TO THAT
AMATEUR WORKS, ULELE AREA, WHICH WE LOVE TO DINE IN, BUT WE
NEED THE SAME ATTENTION AND TIME AND COMMITMENT AND MONIES
TO THE WEST TAMPA AREA.
9:23:41AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS.
9:23:43AM >> ALL RIGHT, GOOD.
9:23:44AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THE YELLOW LIGHT CAME ON.
9:23:47AM >> THIS ALSO WILL JUST PROVIDE JOBS BECAUSE WE DO KNOW WE
ARE IN AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUILDING, BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT
THAT AREA STILL HAS TRANSPORTATION ISSUES OR THOSE RESIDENTS
DO.
FOR US, THIS WILL CREATE JOBS FOR THEM AS WELL AS THE
STUDENTS WHO GO RIGHT TO BLAKE HIGH SCHOOL AS WELL.
THAT'S THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS PROJECT FOR US.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
9:24:09AM >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
9:24:10AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
MS. VALERIE.
GOOD MORNING.
9:24:20AM >> GOOD MORNING.
VALERIE BULLOCK.
THAT WAS NICE TO HEAR THAT GOING ON IN WEST TAMPA, THE OLD
MAIN STREET PROJECTS.
I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENING IN
EAST TAMPA.

IT IS DISHEARTENING TO JUST DRIVE THROUGH EAST TAMPA AND TO
LOOK AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS
AND WHAT IT HAS BECOME NOW, AND ESPECIALLY THE ECONOMIC
PART.
I'M ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS EAST TAMPA ECONOMIC ENGINE
BECAUSE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE PEOPLE OF EAST TAMPA TO
HAVE A JOB SO THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO GET HOUSING.
EVERYBODY IS NOT GOING TO BECOME A HOMEOWNER BUT AT LEAST
GET HOUSED, GET AN APARTMENT OR SOMETHING.
WHEN I GO, I LOVE TO GO ON 29th, DUST BOWL.
I LIKE TO HANG OUT AT PAUL LIQUOR'S STORE BECAUSE I WANT TO
TALK TO EVERYDAY PEOPLE TO SEE WHERE THEY ARE AT, WHERE THEY
GO AND IF I CAN SUGGEST ANYTHING THAT WILL HELP THEM MEET
THEIR GOALS.
BUT IT'S VERY DISHEARTENING BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO AND TRY TO
GET SOME HELP, HELP SEEMS NOT AVAILABLE OR THE FUNDS RUN OUT
SO QUICKLY AND THE PEOPLE THAT MOST VULNERABLE AND NEED THE
HELP THE MOST, THEY DON'T GET IT.
AND THAT LEADS ME TO THE RIVERWALK EXPANSION.
WHEN I WAS RAISED IN COLLEGE HILL PROJECTS, HOW WE GOT TO
WEST TAMPA WITH OUR -- WE WENT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND
WE CROSSED THE BRIDGE.
WE DON'T NEED NO CONNECTION, NO SIDEWALK THERE RIGHT NOW.
THAT SHOULD NOT BE A PRESSING ISSUE.
THE $10 MILLION COULD BE BETTER SPENT ON FUNDING AND

TRAINING FOR PEOPLE TO GET JOBS FOR HOUSING, NOT JUST
AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE THAT SEEMS OUT OF REACH NOW.
I'M SAYING APARTMENTS AND HOUSES WHERE THE PEOPLE CAN GET TO
A KEY TO THEM, WHERE IT'S NOT JUST A DREAM.
TOO MANY TIMES THE CITY OF TAMPA, THEY CATER TO THE
DEVELOPERS, CATER TO THE BUILDERS, CATER TO THE TOURISTS.
I CAN GUARANTEE YOU MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO WANT THE
RIVERWALK EXPANSION, THEY NOT EVEN NATIVE TO HERE.
THEY JUST WANT IT BECAUSE WHEREVER -- MOST PEOPLE, OH, I'VE
BEEN TO NEW YORK.
THEY GOT THIS.
THEY GOT THAT.
IN DUE TIME, TAMPA GET THAT, BUT RIGHT NOW, WE SHOULD BE A
GOOD STEWARD OF THE FUNDS THAT WE HAVE.
LET'S PUT PEOPLE FIRST JUST ONE TIME.
THANK YOU.
9:27:01AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
GOOD MORNING.
NEXT SPEAKER.
9:27:03AM >> GOOD MORNING.
HAPPY DR. KING WEEKEND.
I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU SOMETHING THAT DR. KING WROTE TO
THE BLACK MIDDLE CLASS BUT I THINK IT'S APPLICABLE TO ANY
GROUP OF PEOPLE.
HE SAID THERE IS A CLASS OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO HAVE
A VESTED INTEREST IN KEEPING THINGS AS THEY ARE.

THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE ABSORBED, WHO HAVE ABSORBED THE
DOMINANT VALUES AND CHARACTERS OF THE LARGER SOCIETY AND
CONDITIONED TO SEE LIFE THROUGH THE LENS OF THE MIDDLE CLASS
RESPECTABILITY.
THIS GROUP ARE COMFORTABLE IN THEIR RELATIVE PRIVILEGE
STATUS AND SOMETIMES UNCONSCIOUSLY BECOME PROTECTORS OF THE
STATUS QUO.
WE COME DOWN HERE TIME AFTER -- I KNOW I'VE BEEN COMING 20
YEARS.
ECHOING THE SAME ISSUES.
HOW DO WE IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF BLACK PEOPLE IN
TAMPA.
SO BY CERTAIN APPOINTMENTS, CERTAIN BLACK FOLKS GET A CHANCE
IF THEY ARE SPEAKING THE ISSUES OF THE POLITICAL LEADERSHIP
TO SEE CERTAIN PROJECTS MOVE FORWARD.
BUT IN EAST TAMPA, WHERE IT WAS VERY CLEAR FROM THE VERY
BEGINNING, WHEN THE CRA WAS ESTABLISHED, THE FIRST IN THE
STATE OF FLORIDA, WE WAS CLEAR ON HOW WE WANT TO CHOOSE OUR
LEADERSHIP.
THOSE THAT WOULD REPRESENT OUR INTERESTS.
LO AND BEHOLD, THE THOUGHTS OF THE FORMER COUNCILPERSON SAY
LET'S CHANGE THAT.
WE DON'T WANT THAT.
AND SO WHAT WE HAVE NOW IN OUR COMMUNITY IS APPOINTMENTS OF
PEOPLE THAT REALLY DON'T HAVE NO VESTED INTEREST.

YEAH, THEY LIVE THERE ONCE UPON A TIME.
YEAH, THEY MIGHT HAVE CAME TO A MEETING ONCE UPON A TIME
AGO.
BUT WHEN YOU ASK PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY HOW WILL THESE
PEOPLE ENSURE THAT THE END OF SLUM, BLIGHT, ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT, SOMETHING FOR OUR YOUTH IS PROJECTED, THEY
DON'T HEAR IT THROUGH THEIR VOICES.
ALL OF YOU HAVE SAID BASED ON OUR CAMPAIGNING FOR DIFFERENT
HOUSING MODELS, I REMEMBER IN 2016, IF YOU WERE ONCE UP
THERE, THAT WE SAID WE WANTED A DIFFERENT HOUSING MODEL.
EVEN THE MAYOR HAD HER TRANSITION TEAM GOING, THAT WE WOULD
LOOK AT CONTAINER HOMES.
YAY, IT WAS APPROVED.
YAY, WHERE IS IT AT? NOWHERE.
NOW IN EAST TAMPA, WE HAVE HOUSES WELL OVER $500,000, AND WE
ARE SPECTATORS IN OUR OWN COMMUNITY.
I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT IT WON'T BE SMOOTH SAILING FOR ANY
BOARD IN EAST TAMPA THAT DO NOT CARRY OUT THE MISSION OF
ELIMINATING SLUM, BLIGHT AND POVERTY WITH BLACK RESIDENTS
REMAINING INTACT.
THANK YOU.
9:29:56AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD?
9:29:58AM >> CONNIE BURTON.
9:29:59AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

9:30:03AM >> GOOD MORNING.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS SAY THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA MOVES LIKE THE
LITTLE ENGINE THAT COULD UNLESS SOMEBODY WANTS SOMETHING
REAL DAMN BAD.
9:30:15AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MS. POYNOR, PLEASE WATCH YOUR MOUTH.
9:30:19AM >> IT'S TRUTH.
IT'S VERY TRUE.
BECAUSE IT HAPPENED WITH HANNA STREET.
GOD OPENED UP THE SKY AND WE GOT IT UP LICKETY-SPLIT.
AND HERE WE ARE WITH ANOTHER VANITY PROJECT, THE RIVERWALK.
BUT MY QUESTION IS, SOMEBODY GAVE THIS TO ME THIS MORNING
BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY NEAT.
IF THE MAYOR ACCEPTED THE FUNDS FOR THE RIVERWALK IN 2020,
WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IT NOW?
WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IT NOW?
IF WE HAD DONE IT BACK THEN, GUESS WHAT, WE'D HAVE THE MONEY
TO PAY FOR IT.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY FOR IT ANYMORE BECAUSE
THE MONEY DOESN'T PAY FOR AS MUCH.
SO WHY NOT BUILD WHAT YOU CAN?
I THOUGHT THIS WAS INTERESTING, THAT THE OTHER RIVERWALK WAS
BUILT IN LITTLE PIECES.
ONE LITTLE PIECE AT A TIME.
I BET YOU MONEY, BECAUSE I JUST GOT THIS FLYER, I BET YOU

MONEY THAT WE DIDN'T GO INTO A BOAT LOAD OF DEBT TO DO IT.
I WANT TO REMIND YOU, NOW, THIS IS OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THIS IS FOR THE CHAA.
I WOULD ALSO ASK, ALL THIS STUFF WAS BUILT BEFORE THIS
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TALKED ABOUT THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
BECAUSE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING I THINK IT'S 2005-2006.
SO WE WEREN'T IN VIOLATION OF THAT WHEN THEY BUILT THE OTHER
SIDE.
THIS IS THE RULES FOR OUR CITY.
IT SAYS WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE SPENDING MONEY ON ANYTHING
BUT HARDENING INFRASTRUCTURE ALONG THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
WHEN IT'S PUBLIC FUNDS.
I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT TO YOU, I DON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME
ON THE CRA.
I REALLY DON'T.
I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT I DO KNOW THE FIRST TIME I
HEARD CRA, HEARD SOMEBODY TALK ABOUT IT, STARTED LEARNING
ABOUT IT, THAT WE HAD REHABS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN DONE.
HERE WE ARE FOUR, FIVE YEARS LATER AND STILL NOT DONE.
BY GOD, THIS RIVERWALK CAME UP IN JULY IN FRONT OF CITY
COUNCIL AND IT'S ALREADY RAILROADED ONTO YOUR AGENDA TODAY,
NOT SIX MONTHS LATER.
HMMM, GO FIGURE.
IT'S AMAZING WHAT PEOPLE WANT BECOME A JAPANESE BULLET
TRAIN.

YOU FIGURE OUT WHO IT IS.
IS IT THIS BOARD?
IS IT THE MAYOR?
I DON'T KNOW.
WHO BENEFITS THE MOST FROM THIS?
IS IT CURING SLUM AND BLIGHT?
NOPE, IT'S NOT.
IT IS NOT CURING SLUM AND BLIGHT.
SO HOW CAN YOU APPROVE IT?
STATE STATUTE ALSO SAYS THAT IF THE CITY OF TAMPA IS GOING
TO DO THIS ANYWAY -- THIS IS CHAPTER 163-370-3B, IT SAYS
THAT THE CITY WILL DO IT ANYWAY, YOU CAN'T SPEND CRA FUNDS
ON IT.
GUESS WHAT, MR. BHIDE STOOD HERE LAST WEEK AND SAID THEY
ALREADY STARTED SPENDING MONEY ON IT.
THAT MEANS THE CITY WILL DO IT ANYWAY.
SO YOU CAN'T SPEND CRA FUNDS ON IT.
DON'T VIOLATE THE RULES.
9:33:11AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE, PLEASE STAND OR THIS WILL BE OUR
FINAL SPEAKER BESIDES MR. RANDOLPH ONLINE.
9:33:19AM >> THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING, CRA BOARD MEMBERS.
JEANETTE LARUSSA FENTON, 3102 B WEST LEROY STREET.

I'M HIRE THIS MORNING PROUDLY REPRESENTING THE WEST TAMPA
CHAMBER.
I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE WEST TAMPA CRA COMMUNITY ADVISORY
COMMITTEE, WHICH HAS SUPPORTED THIS PROJECT, AND I AM A
PROUD FOURTH GENERATION WEST TAMPA NATIVE.
I'M EXTREMELY HAPPY TO BE STANDING HERE TODAY AS A WEST
TAMPA RESIDENT ONCE AGAIN AFTER BEING GONE FOR QUITE A LONG
TIME.
I'M THRILLED TO BE BACK HOME AGAIN.
THE WEST RIVERWALK MULTIMODAL NETWORK PROJECT IS A
GENERATIONAL, ONCE-IN-A-LIFETIME GAME-CHANGER OPPORTUNITY
THAT WILL HELP TRANSFORM WEST TAMPA.
THE PROJECT WILL VASTLY IMPROVE MOBILITY, SAFETY,
NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTIVITY, RECREATION AND ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY IN THE MAIN STREET AREA, WHICH IS
SUCH A STRONG FOCUS FOR WEST TAMPA.
THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WILL NOT ONLY BENEFIT WEST TAMPA, THEY
ARE GOING TO FLOW TO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
IN THE COMING YEARS, THOUSANDS OF NEW RESIDENTS AND
BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO BE LIVING AND WORKING ADJACENT TO
THE WEST RIVERWALK.
WE HEARD A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THE WONDERFUL COUPLE THAT IS
MAKING THIS INVESTMENT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT.
THAT'S WHAT THE WEST RIVERWALK WILL HELP TO DO.

DENSE URBAN AREAS NEED PUBLIC SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES TO THRIVE,
TO PROMOTE WELL-BEING, AND TO PROVIDE MOBILITY OPTIONS AND
ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
BEFORE I CLOSE, I HAVE TO SAY THAT I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE
WITH OTHERS THAT HAVE CALLED THIS A VANITY PROJECT.
THESE THINGS ARE NOT VANITIES.
SAFETY, PUBLIC HEALTH, RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, THE
ABILITY TO GET FROM ONE POINT TO THE OTHER, TO PURSUE YOUR
EDUCATION, YOUR WORK OPPORTUNITIES AND SO FORTH, AND JUST TO
HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENJOY THE OUTDOORS IN A DENSE URBAN
AREA.
THIS IS NOT A VANITY PROJECT.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS A CRITICAL NEED TO EVERYONE.
SO PLEASE DO NOT EVER THINK OF THIS THAT WAY.
I ALSO MUST SAY THAT THE CRA IS SPENDING CONSIDERABLE
AMOUNTS OF MONEY ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WILL CONTINUE TO
DO SO.
IN FACT, WE MUST MADE ACQUISITION OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY
THAT WILL PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO
DO SO AND A LOT OF OTHER GREAT THINGS.
IT'S NOT AN EITHER-OR.
IT IS AN AND AND AND.
SO PLEASE DO NOT LET THOSE THINGS DISCOURAGE YOU.
IN CLOSING, THE WEST TAMPA CHAMBER STRONGLY SUPPORTS THIS
PROJECT, AND WE ASK YOU TO SUPPORT THE FUNDING.

IT IS A WISE INVESTMENT THAT WILL PAGE HUGE DIVIDENDS FOR
DECADES TO COME.
THANK YOU.
9:36:05AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
THERE IS SOME CHATTER IN THE AUDIENCE.
WE CAN HEAR IT UP HERE.
PLEASE RESPECT ALL SPEAKERS COMING BEFORE THE DAIS.
GOOD MORNING, MR. WILLIAMS.
9:36:17AM >> GOOD MORNING, GOOD MORNING.
PASTOR WILLIAMS, 1112 EAST SCOTT STREET.
MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH.
I'VE BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT 32 YEARS.
ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY WANT ME TO GET OUT OF THERE.
WHAT YOU ALL CALL WHITE FOLKS, WHITE MAN OVER THERE PRETEND
HE WANT TO BUY THE CHURCH.
THE CHURCH IS MINE, BUT NOBODY WANT TO DO NOTHING ABOUT IT.
BASICALLY, I DIDN'T COME HERE TO TALK ABOUT MY CHURCH.
I COME HERE TO TALK ABOUT THOSE RETENTION PONDS YOU GOT IN
BELMONT HEIGHTS AND JACKSON HEIGHTS.
WHY DON'T YOU ALL FILL THOSE THINGS IN AND LET PEOPLE HAVE
HOMES THERE LIKE WE SUPPOSED TO.
BEEN LIVING THERE ALL THE TIME BUT NOW YOU WANT TO RUN US
OUT.
CALL RETENTION POND, WHAT IS A RETENTION POND?
9:37:08AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PASTOR WILLIAMS, STOP USING PROFANITY IN

FRONT OF THE DAIS.
9:37:12AM >> JUST TELL ME, WHAT IS A RETENTION POND?
TELL THEM THAT.
ANSWER MY QUESTION.
RETENTION POND I TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.
RESERVE OF SNAKES, POSSUMS AND COONS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
IT'S SO SAD THE WAY YOU ALL TREAT CERTAIN PEOPLE LIKE ME,
MYSELF, AND I.
THE WAY YOU ALL TREAT US NOWADAYS, IT'S GETTING WORSE AND
WORSE.
BUILDING UP NICE HOMES BUT DON'T WANT BLACK FOAMS TO MOVE IN
THEM.
ONLY WHITE FOLKS MOVE IN THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES THAT
HAVE THE MONEY TO MOVE IN.
YOU KNOW WE DON'T HAVE NO MONEY TO PAY $2,000 A MONTH RENT.
DON'T EVEN PAY $1,000 A MONTH.
WE DON'T MAKE THAT KIND OF MONEY.
YOU ALL KNOW THAT.
KEEP US DOWN SO WALK ON US EVERYWHERE WE GO.
YOU ALL HAVE TO REALIZE YOURSELF, YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE
HUMAN TOO, AND NOT JUST LOOK AT US AND TREAT US BAD.
LOOK AT YOURSELF AND TREAT YOURSELF BAD.
YOUNG LADY COME TO ME AND TOLD ME, PASTOR WILLIAMS, CERTAIN
WORDS, I DON'T WANT YOU TO USE, BUT THEY GOT TO UNDERSTAND,
GOT THE ENCYCLOPEDIA AND IT TELL US ALL ABOUT US.

AND WE'RE NOT THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE.
WE GOD PEOPLE THAT RESPECT YOU AND RESPECT GOD ALMIGHTY.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO GIVE FROM YOU ALL.
YOU ALL DON'T CARE ABOUT US, BUT WE CARE ABOUT OURSELVES AND
OUR CHILDREN AND OUR CHILDREN'S CHILDREN.
YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND, LIKE I TOLD YOU OVER AND OVER, WE ARE
STILL HUMAN BEINGS, AND THAT'S ALL YOU ARE, NOTHING BUT A
HUMAN BEING.
9:39:13AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU, PASTOR WILLIAMS.
OUR FINAL SPEAKER WILL BE MR. RANDOLPH ONLINE.
IS HE PRESENT?
MR. WILLIAMS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
DARLENE, SEE IF MR. WILLIAMS NEEDS ANYTHING ELSE FROM OUR
OFFICE.
MR. RANDOLPH, ARE YOU THERE?
YOU ARE SELF-MUTED, MR. RANDOLPH.
9:39:59AM >> HELLO?
[ECHOING]
9:40:02AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MR. RANDOLPH, DO YOU HAVE TWO PIECES OF
EQUIPMENT ON THAT'S INTERRUPTING YOUR VOLUME?
9:40:12AM >> YEAH.
[AUDIO ECHOING]
9:40:29AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WHAT YOU CAN DO IS CUT OFF SOMETHING SO
THAT YOU CAN SPEAK.
WHATEVER EQUIPMENT YOU ARE USING TO SPEAK, JUST GO AHEAD AND

UNDO THAT.
9:40:41AM >> OKAY.
GIVE ME A SECOND.
9:40:45AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I CAN TELL HE IS CONNECTED ON TWO DEVICES.
YOU NEED TO CHOOSE ONE OF THE DEVICES SO WE CAN HEAR YOU.
9:40:56AM >> OKAY.
I'LL WRITE IN MY CONCERNS.
WE DO SUPPORT THE WEST TAMPA RIVERWALK EXTENSION.
9:41:09AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MR. RANDOLPH, WE ARE NOT ABLE TO HEAR YOU
WITH TWO DEVICES ON.
IF YOU WANT TO SEND YOUR DOCUMENTATION TO TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL, I KNOW YOU KNOW HOW TO DO THAT, TAMPA CRA BOARD,
YOU CAN SHARE YOUR INFORMATION WITH US.
WE DID HEAR THAT YOU VERBALLY SUPPORT THE WEST TAMPA
RIVERWALK.
9:41:26AM >> THANK YOU.
9:41:27AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
HAVE A GREAT DAY.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 1.
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
9:41:37AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
JUST TO REMIND THE CRA BOARD, I THINK WE SENT A MEMO ON IT,
I HAVE TO STEP OUT 45 MINUTES 10:35.
MY APOLOGIES.
9:41:48AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED BOARD MEMBER HURTAK.

9:41:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
THAT DOES REMIND ME, FOR THAT VOTE, ITEM NUMBER 6, IF WE
COULD PULL IT FOR SEPARATE VOTE.
9:41:57AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO PULL ITEM 6.
9:42:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'LL ALSO MAKE A MOTION FOR 10.
9:42:04AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OKAY.
6 AND 10.
SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBER VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
9:42:08AM >> AYE.
9:42:15AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
TAMPA HEIGHTS.
9:42:20AM >> GOOD MORNING.
COURTNEY ORR, CRA DEVELOPMENT MANAGER.
I HAVE THE HONOR OF INTRODUCING MR. MICHAEL MUSETTA.
HE HAS SERVED ON TAMPA HEIGHTS CAC AS CHAIRPERSON.
HE IS HERE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE ACTIVITIES HAPPENING
AT TAMPA HEIGHTS RIVERFRONT CRA.
9:42:42AM >>MICHAEL MUSETTA:
GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL MUSETTA.
I HAVE SERVED ON THE CRA BOARD FOR EIGHT YEARS, AND THIS IS
MY LAST OFFICIAL ASSIGNMENT.
WE ARE CONCENTRATING ON THE CONNECTIVITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE
FOR THE AREA AROUND ARMATURE WORKS TO REPLACE AND ENHANCE
THE WAY-FINDING SIGNAGE AND ALSO TO INCLUDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD
BRANDING.

WE EXPECT THIS PROJECT TO BE STARTED THIS SUMMER.
WE HAVE HAD THE PRESENTATIONS AND WE HAVE SELECTED THE
DIFFERENT WAY-FINDING SIGNS.
SECONDLY, FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, PROFESSOR GREEN FROM
THE USF HAS BEEN WORKING WITH US, AND HE SHOULD BE
PRESENTING HIS REPORT NEXT MONTH.
ONE ISSUE THAT WE'VE BEEN CONCENTRATING ON IS THE QUALITY OF
LIFE, AND WE ARE WANTING OUR DESIGN IN THE ROUNDABOUT ON
PALM AND HIGHLAND, I BELIEVE IT IS.
AND THEN ALSO A PORTION THAT IS WITHIN OUR DISTRICT AT
BOULEVARD AND PALM.
COREY ROBINSON WITH THE CITY DID A SURVEY AND HAD 80
RESPONSES.
SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD RESPONSE.
LASTLY, WE HAVE MYSELF AND A COUPLE OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT
HAVE RETIRED FROM OUR GROUP AND THERE ARE SEVERAL
APPLICATIONS FOR THEM, I BELIEVE, PLUS TWO AT-LARGE MEMBERS
FOR THE SEATS.
AND THEY HAVE SUBMITTED THEIR APPLICATIONS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IT'S BEEN ENJOYABLE SERVING ON IT, AFTER EIGHT YEARS, IT'S
TIME TO MOVE ON AND CONTINUE MY RETIREMENT.
9:44:50AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, MR. MUSETTA.
BOARD MEMBER HURTAK.
9:44:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. McCRAY.

HE MENTIONED WAY-FINDING SIGNS AND ROUNDABOUT ART.
I JUST REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS THE DOWNTOWN, THEY CAME TO US.
WE HAD A HUGE CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.
SO I'M JUST WONDERING, ARE THE TAMPA HEIGHTS A CONTINUATION
OF WHAT WE HAVE CHOSEN FOR DOWNTOWN?
IS IT SEPARATE?
WHY IS IT NOT COMING BACK TO US?
IS IT COMING BACK TO US?
IT SEEMS LIKE -- I DON'T CARE WHICH IS THE RULE, BUT IF
WE'RE GOING TO DO ONE THING FOR ONE CRA, IT SHOULD BE THE
SAME FOR ANOTHER CRA.
9:45:35AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
YES, IT IS A CONTINUATION, AND THEN WE WILL
HAVE A SECOND PHASE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT MULTIPLE OTHER CRA
DISTRICTS FOR THE WAY-FINDING.
9:45:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
GREAT.
9:45:43AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
WE'RE WORKING ON THAT NOW.
9:45:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ALREADY DEALT WITH.
9:45:47AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
YES.
9:45:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU TO MR. MUSETTA FOR COMING AND SHARING WHAT'S GOING
ON IN TAMPA HEIGHTS.
9:45:53AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
BOARD MEMBER VIERA FOLLOWED BY THE
DIRECTOR'S REPORT.

9:45:56AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MADAM.
APPRECIATE THAT.
I WANTED TO SALUTE MR. MUSETTA.
ANYBODY BEEN AN ATTORNEY, WORKED IN LITIGATION, KNOWS THAT
HE RAN A COURT REPORTING SERVICE.
I PROBABLY -- WE USED YOU ALL FOR 10, 15 YEARS, HOWEVER
LONG.
I REMEMBER I WOULD SEE HIM IN THE OFFICE AND WE WOULD TALK
POLITICS.
IT'S KIND OF FUNNY.
JUST THANK YOU, MICHAEL, FOR YOUR EIGHT YEARS OF SERVICE ON
THE BOARD.
IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN, SIR.
I ALWAYS SEE YOU MAYBE EQUALLY FORMALLY CIRCUMSTANCES I
GUESS IF YOU WILL.
YOU'RE ALWAYS A NICE GUY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
THANK YOU, SIR.
9:46:37AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MR. McCRAY.
9:46:38AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
GOOD MORNING AGAIN.
CEDRIC McCRAY, CRA INTERIM DIRECTOR.
I BELIEVE YOU ALL RECEIVED THE PROGRAM OR PROJECTS UPDATE IN
THE PACKET.
ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT IS THE EAST TAMPA
COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN UPDATE.

THERE WILL BE A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT MEETING TAKING PLACE ON
JANUARY 22nd AT 6:30.
THE LOCATION IS ANDREWS LIBRARY.
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ANNOUNCE THAT.
AND THE CAC DID RECEIVE THE INFORMATION AT THE MEETING LAST
TUESDAY ON JANUARY 7 AND SURVEYS ARE OUT.
WE ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC TO COMPLETE THE SURVEY SO THAT WE
CAN GET ENOUGH FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY AS WE BUILD OUT
THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.
9:47:25AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I WANT TO CIRCLE BACK TO THE EAST TAMPA
CRA IN TERMS OF JUST THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WAS MADE TODAY
JUST SO THAT WE CAN HAVE IT ON RECORD REGARDING THE AREA
WHERE THE GATOR BUILDING IS, BECAUSE THAT IS ONE OF OUR
PROJECTS.
IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE ALSO STILL TRYING TO
PURCHASE PROPERTY TO ROUND OUT THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT.
CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT PUBLICLY RIGHT NOW?
9:47:48AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
YES, WE ARE LOOKING TO ASSEMBLE OTHER
PROPERTIES IN THAT IMMEDIATE AREA.
I PAUSE TO SAY THAT PUBLICLY JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE
WATCHING AND LISTENING AND THAT'S WHEN THE PRICE MAY GO UP.
YES, WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT.
IRONICALLY, WE JUST HELD A MEETING THE DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY
TO TALK ABOUT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ON THAT SITE AND SOME
THINGS THAT WE'LL BE BRINGING TO THE EAST TAMPA CAC IN THE

NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.
9:48:13AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
THE 22nd STREET CORRIDOR IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US.
IT IS A PRIORITY AND BUSINESS CONTINUES.
SO I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
9:48:21AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU.
9:48:26AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THAT IS THE END OF YOUR DIRECTOR'S REPORT?
9:48:29AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
YES.
9:48:29AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ITEM NUMBER 3 IS DISCUSSING THE CRA
DIRECTOR POSITION.
BOARD MEMBERS SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED ALL THE APPLICATIONS AND
ADDITIONAL APPLICATION THAT CAME IN LAST NIGHT OF OUR
QUALIFIED APPLICANT.
ANY PUBLIC COMMENT YOU WANT TO MAKE ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO
PROCEED WITH THAT IN TERMS OF INTERVIEWS?
BOARD MEMBER HURTAK.
9:48:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SURE.
I WENT THROUGH -- I LOOKED AT THE LIST AND THEN FOR ME I
LOOKED AT THE FOLKS WHO HAD MET MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS
BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHERE YOU'VE GOT TO START.
WE HAD FIVE PEOPLE WHO MET THE MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS.
PERSONALLY, I THINK FOUR OF THOSE FOLKS SHOULD GO FORWARD TO
BE INTERVIEWED.

BUT I DIDN'T KNOW HOW OTHERS FELT.
9:49:22AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE HAVE TWO AGREEMENTS ON THAT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THAT?
9:49:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO YOU WANT TO KNOW WHICH FOUR?
9:49:30AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND STATE THEM PUBLICLY.
THE FIFTH PERSON THAT CAME IN YESTERDAY?
9:49:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WENT THROUGH YESTERDAY'S LIST.
SO, YES.
I DON'T KNOW IF -- I'M ASSUMING THERE WAS AN ADDITION.
WHAT I DID, I LOOKED AT THE LIST THAT CAME YESTERDAY.
I READ THROUGH IT.
FIVE MINIMALLY QUALIFIED PEOPLE.
FOR ME PERSONALLY, THERE WAS ONE PERSON THAT DIDN'T HAVE ANY
HIGH-LEVEL MANAGEMENT EXPERIENCE AND I WAS NOT OKAY WITH
THAT.
FOR ME, THE OTHER FOUR WERE THE ONES THAT I WAS MOST
INTERESTED IN INTERVIEWING.
AGAIN, I WILL LISTEN TO WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS TO SAY.
9:50:09AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:50:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S ME.
9:50:14AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
9:50:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I KIND OF CONCUR WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT AS I
GAVE YOU THAT INDICATION.
BUT POSSIBLY JUST AS AN INTERVIEWING BODY, IF THE FOLKS --
AND ONLY ONE, IF THE FOLKS MET MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS, I

THINK IT WOULD BE PROBABLY BE PROPER FOR US TO INTERVIEW ALL
FIVE, AT LEAST TO GIVE FOLKS THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE
DISCLOSE SOMETHING THAT WE WEREN'T AWARE OF.
9:50:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S FAIR.
9:50:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S NOT OVERLY BURDENSOME.
FIVE IS A REASONABLE NUMBER.
9:50:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL ACCEPT THAT.
OKAY.
9:50:47AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I JUST WAS CURIOUS IF THIS INCLUDED THE
ONE THAT CAME IN FROM MR. SWEENEY ON TUESDAY AT 4:00.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU RECEIVED THAT ADDITIONAL PERSON.
THIS PERSON HERE.
9:51:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
NO HIGH-LEVEL MANAGEMENT EXPERIENCE.
YEAH, I'M HAPPY TO GO AHEAD AND RECOMMEND THAT WE DO THE
FIVE NOW.
DO WE WANT TO USE --
9:51:21AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
LET'S GET SOME MORE DISCUSSION HERE.
BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
9:51:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
LAST TIME WHAT WE DID WAS AT THE CONVENTION CENTER THERE WAS
LIKE A CASUAL MEET AND GREET WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THE
PROSPECTIVE CANDIDATES, WHICH WAS VERY NICE.
WHAT WE WENT AHEAD AND DID WAS WE HAD A SPECIAL MEETING
WHERE ESSENTIALLY THEY GAVE A PRESENTATION BEFORE THE CRA

BOARD AND THEN WE VOTED THERE.
THAT WAS ALL DONE AT THE CONVENTION CENTER.
THIS IS DURING THE COVID AREA.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT NEEDS TO BE OUT HERE OR WE CAN DO IT
HERE.
JUST TO RECAP WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST.
9:51:58AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE LEFT?
9:52:04AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I AGREE.
JUST BRIEFLY, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO THAT I
THINK COMMUNITY INPUT IS OBVIOUSLY VERY GOOD.
AND HAVING IT AS PUBLIC AS POSSIBLE WITH THE ENGAGEMENT, I
AGREE WITH THAT.
9:52:15AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
BOARD MEMBER HURTAK.
9:52:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AGREE WITH THAT IN THEORY.
UNFORTUNATELY, NOT ALL THESE FOLKS ARE LOCAL.
SO I THINK -- AND FOR ME, FIVE IS A LOT TO CHOOSE FROM.
I WOULD PREFER TO DO A FIRST ROUND OF INTERVIEWS AND THEN
BRING PEOPLE WHO PASS THAT VIRTUAL INTERVIEW THEN IN PERSON
TO GO THROUGH, WHICH IS A PRETTY LARGE JUGGERNAUT TO GO
THROUGH THE COMMUNITY PORTION OF IT AND WE SHOULD BE SURE IN
WHAT WE WANT.
I DON'T WANT TO WASTE ANYONE'S TIME AND I HATE TO COUCH IT
AS THAT, BUT I WANT TO USE OUR TIME WISELY.
I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD DO A FIRST ROUND OF INTERVIEWS WITH
FIVE AND THEN IF WE DO NARROW IT DOWN, THAT WILL MAKE IT

EASIER FOR EVERYONE.
9:53:01AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
9:53:02AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I REMEMBER THE SESSIONS AT THE CONVENTION
CENTER, BUT THEN THE LAST TIME, IF I RECALL THE CORRECT
POSITION, THEY SCHEDULED A TIME FOR EACH CANDIDATE HERE, AND
WE WENT THROUGH AND INDIVIDUALLY MET WITH THEM.
MAYBE WE COULD NARROW IT DOWN TO TWO OR THREE THAT WOULD
COME BEFORE US.
FOR FIVE, I THINK IT SHOULD BE VIRTUAL OR IN PERSON.
IF IT'S IN PERSON, I THINK THE PUBLIC COULD COME IN.
THE IDEA IS THEY COULD GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER AND ASK
QUESTIONS AND WHEN WE BRING THE FINALISTS, WE CAN ASK EACH
OTHER QUESTIONS AND HEAR THE ANSWERS.
9:53:40AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OKAY.
ALL RIGHT.
IT LOOKS LIKE THAT IS ALL THE COMMENT.
I LIKE THE NARROWING DOWN PROCESS AND THEN BRINGING THE
FINAL CANDIDATES TO THE PUBLIC AT A REGULAR SCHEDULED BOARD
MEETING INSTEAD OF GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE.
I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE CONVENIENT FOR US TO DO IT HERE AT
OUR REGULAR MEETING BECAUSE OUR MEETINGS DON'T LAST A LONG
TIME FOR CRA, SO THAT WE CAN DO THAT IN BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT
MONTH, GET US A DATE THAT WE CAN AGREE ON.
YOU WANT TO DO THAT NOW?
GET US A DATE TO HAVE A VIRTUAL MEETING WITH THEM, TIME

SCHEDULED, TIME CERTAIN, AND THEN -- BECAUSE TALKING TO FIVE
OF THEM, GIVE A PERSON 15 MINUTES OR LESS, AN HOUR OF OUR
TIME, HOUR AND A HALF OF OUR TIME, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A
SCORING SYSTEM TO NARROW THEM DOWN AND BRING THOSE BACK FOR
THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY OR MARCH.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
9:54:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HONESTLY, I THINK IT WILL PROBABLY END UP
TAKING UNTIL MARCH.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE ONLY MEET ONCE A MONTH.
WE CAN SHOOT FOR FEBRUARY.
TO GET IT ON THE AGENDA.
I THINK I WOULD ASK PROCESS-WISE, FROM CITY STAFF, SINCE I
DON'T KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE BEST -- WHAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION
OF FOLKS WHO HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS BEFORE?
9:55:04AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WELL, REMEMBER, THE CITY STAFF, WE TOOK
THIS AWAY FROM THEM, SO THEIR RECOMMENDATION IS NO LONGER ON
THE TABLE.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO.
9:55:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WELL, THEN, I WILL DEFER TO FOLKS WHO HAVE
DONE THIS BEFORE.
9:55:19AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE DID OUR BUDGET ANALYST.
9:55:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO HIGHLIGHT.
PROBABLY SHOULD DO SOMETHING SIMILAR.
IN DEFERENCE TO THE HR DEPARTMENT, THEY GAVE US A LOT OF
LEGAL ADVICE AND ADVICE AND COUNSEL ON THE PROCESS HERE.

I THINK WE SHOULD DEFER TO THE PROCESS THAT WE USE FOR THE
BUDGET ANALYST.
9:55:39AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:55:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
IN FACT, THIS IS THE SAME PROCESS WE USED THE LAST TIME.
THAT IS THE GENTLEMAN I SPEAK ABOUT THAT I DON'T ALWAYS
NAME, BUT SMARTEST GUY IN MY LIFE.
PROCESS WORKED BUT THE INDIVIDUAL DID NOT.
9:56:00AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THAT'S TRUE.
9:56:01AM >> HE DIDN'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF A DELIGHT WE WERE.
9:56:03AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
CLENDENIN AND HENDERSON ARE HERE NOW.
THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.
BOARD MEMBER HURTAK.
9:56:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO WHERE ARE WE LEAVING THIS?
9:56:15AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SO WE ARE GOING TO LOOK FOR A DATE AMONG
OUR AIDES TO COME ONLINE AND INTERVIEW THEM, AND THEN IF WE
CAN GET THAT DATE, A COUPLE OF OPTIONS ALL OF US CAN AGREE
ON, GET THAT DATE AND IF WE CAN MAKE THE FEBRUARY AGENDA,
THEN SO BE IT.
IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE IT TO MARCH FOR THE PUBLIC, WHICH
PROBABLY WILL TAKE UNTIL MARCH, LIKE YOU SAID.
9:56:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE PLENTY OF
TIME.
9:56:43AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE CAN PROVIDE THE INFORMATION TO THE
PUBLIC IN FEBRUARY, IF POSSIBLE, AND GIVE THE PUBLIC THEIR

OPPORTUNITY TO DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND LOOK AT RESUM S
AND THINGS THAT WE POST THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR THEM.
9:56:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IN THE INTEREST OF PUBLIC DISCLOSURE, I
THINK WE SHOULD LIST THE FIVE NAMES WE'LL NARROW DOWN FOR
INTERVIEWS.
9:57:10AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
BOARD MEMBER HURTAK.
9:57:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL NAME THE FIVE CANDIDATES THAT HAVE THE
MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS.
I'M GOING TO COMPLETELY BUTCHER THE NAME, AND I COMPLETELY
APOLOGIZE.
EKATERINI GERAKIOS-SIREN, JENNIFER MATTHEWS, CEDRIC
McCRAY, CHRISTOPHER MOORE, AND LISA NICHOLAS.
9:57:37AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
WE APPRECIATE THAT.
WE ARE MOVING ON FROM THAT ITEM -- OH, WE NEED A MOTION TO
MAKE THAT FORMAL, BY BOARD MEMBER HURTAK, SECOND BY BOARD
MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED.
THANK YOU.
MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4, HOUSING.
9:58:03AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
GOOD MORNING AGAIN, CRA BOARD MEMBERS.
AS WE SHARED IN RECENT MONTHS, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MORE
FORMAL DISCUSSION RELATED TO THE CRA AND OUR HOUSING
DIVISION THAT WAS ESTABLISHED PER YOUR REQUEST.

AS WE ARE LOOKING AT RECEIVING APPLICATIONS AND THINGS OF
THAT NATURE THROUGH THE VARIOUS GRANT PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE
RELATED TO HOUSING, WE HAVE NOT HAD A FORMAL CONVERSATION
AND ARE LOOKING FOR SOME BOARD DIRECTION AS IT RELATES TO
SUBSIDY AMOUNTS AND BASED ON THE PROGRAMS.
I THINK WE'VE HAD GOOD DISCUSSIONS DURING OUR BRIEFINGS OVER
THE RECENT WEEKS, BUT I'M GOING TO CALL MS. BEA PARKS UP NOW
TO PRESENT AND THEN WE WILL BE STANDING BY WITH ANY
QUESTIONS AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE PRESENTATION.
9:58:55AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
GOOD MORNING, MS. PARKS.
9:58:59AM >> GOOD MORNING, BOARD CHAIR.
CAN I GET THE PRESENTATION LOADED, PLEASE?
I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF COMING BEFORE YOU TODAY TO DISCUSS
CRA HOUSING.
THAT'S EXCITING.
CAN WE MOVE ON -- ALL RIGHT.
9:59:17AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YOU STATED YOUR NAME.
9:59:19AM >> BEA PARKS, CRA DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR.
TODAY, THE OVERVIEW IS TO REVIEW THE GOALS -- CRA GOALS AND
OBJECTIVES, THE HOUSING BUDGET SNAPSHOTS PER CRA AREA.
THE UNIT SUBSIDY DISCUSSION, THE INFILL PROGRAM THAT'S GOING
TO BE A GREAT PROGRAM FOR US AND THEN THE TIMELINE AND NEXT
STEPS.
SO THE OBJECTIVE TODAY IS TO REVIEW THE 30% OF THE FUNDS
THAT, OF COURSE, ARE APPROVED TO BE ALLOCATED FOR A CRA

ACROSS ALL OF THE DISTRICTS.
SO THESE FUNDS DO RANGE FROM 224,000 TO ABOUT 22 MILLION.
THE OBJECTIVE OF TODAY'S DISCUSSION IS TO PRESENT THIS TO
THE BOARD SO WE NEVER LIKE, DIRECTOR McCRAY STATED, NEVER
OFFICIALLY WENT OVER THEM.
SO IT IS TO PRESENT THAT TO YOU GUYS TODAY.
DISCUSS THE PROGRAMMATIC ASSIGNMENT OF THE FUNDS AND ALSO TO
GET BOARD APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO, AS YOU KNOW, YOU SAT THROUGH THE BOARD RETREAT IN 2023
WHERE YOU DISCUSSED YOUR GOALS.
SO ONE OF THEM WAS TO CLOSE THE HOME OWNERSHIP GAP FOR 80%.
THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT, AND YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, IN THE
HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT, THAT IS A GREAT NEED, 80% AND
BELOW FOR HOUSING AND COLLABORATING WITH HOUSING PARTNERS,
OFFERING A FINANCIAL INCENTIVE AND DEVELOPING TARGETED
PROGRAMS.
THIS IS ACTUALLY DONE THROUGH THE DPA PROGRAM, DOWN PAYMENT
ASSISTANCE FOR THE PUBLIC.
TO RETAIN RESIDENTS BY PROVIDING RESOURCES AND SUPPORT FOR
HOME REPAIRS, MAINTENANCE AND ACCESSIBILITY OPTIONS THAT
ENHANCE HOUSING CONDITIONS.
SO THIS IS CURRENTLY DONE THROUGH THE HOUSING RENOVATION AND
REHAB PROGRAM.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, TO PROVIDE DIFFERENT TYPE OF HOUSING TO
REDUCE THE WORK AND HOUSING COST BURDENS.

AS I STATED, OUR FIVE INITIATIVES THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE
LEADING, ME AND MY STAFF, WILL BE, OF COURSE, THE REHAB
PROGRAM.
SO THE HOUSING REHABILITATION AND RENOVATION PROGRAM.
AC, ANY PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL ISSUES THAT HOUSEHOLDS MAY
HAVE, ADA COMPLIANCE, ANYTHING THAT, STRUCTURAL DAMAGE THAT
IS DONE THROUGH WHAT WE CALL HRRP.
DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE.
NOW, THIS IS ACTUALLY ONE OF OUR MOST SUCCESSFUL PROGRAMS
RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS PROVIDING FUNDS FOR FIRST-TIME HOME BUYERS TO
PURCHASE WITHIN THE CRA AREAS.
RIGHT NOW, SPECIFICALLY THE BULK OF RESIDENTIAL IS IN EAST
TAMPA, SO THIS HAS BEEN A VERY SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM
SPECIFICALLY IN EAST TAMPA.
AND THEN AGAIN, THE INFILL PROGRAM, SO THIS IS, OF COURSE,
WITH CRA-OWNED LOTS THAT THROUGH AN RFP WE CONVEY OVER FOR
THE CREATION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS.
AND THEN THE FOURTH ONE IS THE VERY IMPORTANT ONE, WHICH IS
THE UNIT CREATION AND CONVERSION.
SO THAT IS ACTUALLY TO CREATE NEW AFFORDABLE UNITS THROUGH
DEVELOPER SUBSIDIES OR TO CONVERT OLDER UNITS TO AFFORDABLE
HOUSING AND THEN, OF COURSE, STRATEGIC ACQUISITION, WHICH
YOU GUYS FULLY SUPPORT OF US LOOKING AT WHAT MAY BE
AVAILABLE OUT THERE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND INQUIRING --

AND ACQUIRING THAT LAND FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I THANK YOU GUYS FOR SUPPORTING THAT.
SO HERE WE GO FOR THE EAST TAMPA CRA.
WE'LL START OFF WITH THAT.
SO OUR 30% ALLOCATION RIGHT NOW IS 9 MILLION, AROUND
$9,700,000.
SO THE BULK OF THAT RIGHT NOW IS IN REHAB.
SO THE BULK OF THE APPLICATIONS CAME FROM EAST TAMPA.
MY STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY TO GO THROUGH THOSE
APPLICATIONS, CONTACT THOSE CLIENTS AND GET THAT PROCESS
STARTED, WHICH IS WORKING NOW.
THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT PER UNIT IS $100,000.
SO RIGHT NOW YOU SEE ROUGHLY AROUND OVER $3 MILLION IN THAT
POT.
WITH DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE WITH THE MAXIMUM 50K PER UNIT,
YOU SEE THAT WE ALLOTTED ABOUT 1.7 MILLION TO CONTINUE TO
PROVIDE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE.
AND THIS IS IN PARTNERSHIP ALSO WITH HOUSING AND COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, WHICH HAS BEEN SUCCESSFULLY WORKING.
NOW, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE INFILL HOUSING, WHICH, AGAIN, THE
SUBSIDY CAN VARY.
THIS IS MORE MADE FOR -- TO PROVIDE ANY LOT READINESS.
SO THAT 500,000 COVERS THAT LOT READINESS FOR ONCE WE CONVEY
IT OVER TO THAT DEVELOPER THROUGH, OF COURSE, THE RFP, THEY
CAN GO AHEAD AND USE ANY FUNDS FOR ANY STRUCTURE THAT THEY

MAY NEED FOR THAT LOT, IF IT'S NOT READY TO BE BUILT.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, I PUT FUNDING INTO THE UNIT INCOME
CONVERSION, AGAIN, TO BE DETERMINED OF ABOUT $1.5 MILLION
AND THEN ALSO SOME MONIES IN THE POT FOR STRATEGIC
ACQUISITION BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THERE'S STILL SOME LAND TO
BE PURCHASED.
SO THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
AGAIN, TOTALING OVER THAT $9 MILLION.
10:05:03AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
EXCUSE ME ONE SECOND.
I CAN TELL, DIRECTOR McCRAY, DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING
IN BETWEEN?
10:05:14AM >> I'M SORRY.
LET ME BRING UP THIS SLIDE BECAUSE I'M HAVING TROUBLE SEEING
THAT UP THERE.
10:05:35AM >> THE CLOSED CAPTIONING IS -- I'M SORRY.
ABBYE FEELEY.
THE CLOSED CAPTIONING IS COMING UP OVER THE SLIDES.
SO THE PUBLIC ISN'T GETTING TO SEE THE SLIDE.
SO IF WE, ONCE YOU ARE DONE, IF WE CAN PAUSE FOR LIKE TEN
SECONDS.
BECAUSE ON OUR SIDE, IT DOESN'T.
IT KEEPS RUNNING AS SHE'S TALKING.
I JUST ASK THEM IF THEY COULD POSSIBLY MOVE IT UP AND THEY
SAID NO.
10:06:05AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THEY GOT IT DONE.

10:06:06AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I WANT TO BE SURE EVERYBODY CAN SEE THE
NUMBERS AND WHAT'S GOING WITH EACH OF THE PROGRAMS.
THANK YOU.
10:06:14AM >> THAT IS EAST TAMPA.
I WOULD ASK THE BOARD, DO YOU WANT TO DISCUSS AFTER EACH
SNAPSHOT OR JUST AT THE END?
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD?
10:06:25AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE COULD DO IT AT THE END.
FOR EFFICIENCY.
10:06:29AM >> LET'S MOVE ON TO THE WEST TAMPA SIDE.
THE 30% ALLOCATION TOTAL IS ROUGHLY OVER $6 MILLION, AS YOU
CAN SEE HERE.
HERE IS THE OTHER PROGRAM INITIATIVES ALLOTTED FOR THAT
AREA.
SO, AGAIN, FOR THE REHAB PROGRAM, WE EARMARKED ABOUT OVER
$1.2 MILLION, ALONG WITH DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE AT AGAIN
1.2 AND THEN AGAIN INFILL HOUSING, AS I MENTIONED, AT --
EARMARKED SOME MONEY IN THAT BUDGET TO ASSIST WITH LOT
READINESS.
THAT'S COMING AT 400,000.
AND THEN AGAIN THE UNIT CREATION CONVERSION ABOUT 2.4
MILLION AND ACQUISITIONS AT ABOUT 800,000.
AND RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY FOUR LOTS THAT CAN BE
USED FOR INFILL DEVELOPMENT, AND WE'RE SEEKING MORE LOTS TO
ADD TO THE PORTFOLIO.

MOVING FORWARD TO DREW PARK, THE 30% ALLOCATION FOR DREW
PARK IS THAT $3.2 MILLION, ROUGHLY OVER THAT.
REHAB, AGAIN, WE PUT A MILLION DOLLARS IN THE POT FOR THAT
DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE AT ABOUT ROUGHLY HALF A MILLION.
INFILL HOUSING, AGAIN, HUNDRED THOUSAND THERE.
IN ACQUISITIONS AT 1.6 MILLION.
WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY SIX LOTS AVAILABLE ALSO FOR INFILL FOR
THAT AREA.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, AS I MENTIONED, WHEN I STARTED, FUNDS
TO ASSIST WITH THE LOT READINESS.
BUDGETED THAT IN THERE.
LET'S MOVE OVER TO CENTRAL PARK.
THEIR ALLOCATION IS AT HALF A MILLION.
SO 597,000.
THE REHAB PROGRAM IS AROUND A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE FOR THE AREA,
YESTERDAY, AT THE CAC MEETING, WE HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION
ABOUT HOW WE CAN START LOOKING AT SOME HOUSING INITIATIVES
FOR CENTRAL PARK LAST NIGHT, SO THAT WAS REALLY EXCITING.
AND THEN THE INFILL AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND AND THEN
ACQUISITIONS, WHATEVER WE CAN FIND AT THAT 101,000 FOR A
TOTAL OF 597,513.
MOVING FORWARD TO YBOR CITY.
SO THE 30% ALLOCATION ON THIS IS OVER $4.9 MILLION.
WE LOOKED AT REHAB FOR 900,000, DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE,

AGAIN, FOR 164,000.
THE UNIT CREATION AND CONVERSION, WE HAVE OVER ABOUT 2.2
MILLION IN THAT POT.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, ACQUISITIONS, WHICH IS 1.6 MILLION,
TOTALING $4.9 MILLION, 4,947,021.
INCLUDES YBOR ONE AND YBOR TWO BUDGETS.
LET'S MOVE OVER TO TAMPA HEIGHTS.
THIS ACTUALLY IS ONE OF THE LOWEST ALLOCATIONS THAT WE HAVE,
BUT THE 30% IS AT 224 RIGHT NOW.
SO RIGHT THERE WE JUST ADDED TWO PROGRAMS WHICH IS REHAB AND
ALSO DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE.
SO IT TOTALS TO BE 224,005.
NOW, MOVING OVER TO CHANNEL AND DOWNTOWN.
SO CHANNEL, OF COURSE, THE 30% ALLOCATION IN CHANNELSIDE IS
10 MILLION, OVER 10 MILLION.
DPA IS AT 1.5 MILLION.
THE UNIT CREATION PROGRAM IS AROUND THAT 7 MILLION, CLOSE TO
$8 MILLION.
AND THEN ACQUISITIONS IS AT 1 MILLION.
OF COURSE, WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS -- WELL, I'M GOING TO
DISCUSS IN A MINUTE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I HAVE.
BUT IT'S TOTALING OVER $10 MILLION FOR CHANNEL.
SO THEN LET'S MOVE TO DOWNTOWN.
THE 30% ALLOCATION TOTAL IS AROUND 22 MILLION.
AGAIN, RIGHT THERE, REHAB IS AT 800,000.

DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE, WE HAVE EARMARKED FOR 2.7 MILLION.
UNIT CREATION AND CONVERSION AT THE 5.3 MILLION AND THEN
ACQUISITIONS AT THE $14 MILLION, TOTALING 22,922,026.
LOOKING AT BOTH DOWNTOWN AND CHANNEL, BASED ON PREPARING
THIS PRESENTATION AND ALSO ANALYZING THE FUNDS FOR BOTH
CHANNEL AND DOWNTOWN, WE WANTED TO DISCUSS ACTUALLY SOME
THINGS WITH THE BOARD.
SO THE FIRST THING, WITH THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE
PROGRAM, IN LOOKING AT OUR FUNDS WITH DPA, ALL OF THE
CURRENT DPA GRANTS THAT ARE GOING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY,
WHICH ARE CURRENTLY BEING STACKED WITH HOUSING AND COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENTS TO ACTUALLY HAVE THAT END USER
PURCHASE THAT HOUSE.
THE -- APARTMENT, PRICE CAPPED AT 450.
SO UNITS IN BOTH DOWNTOWN AND CHANNEL ARE SELLING FOR MORE
THAN THAT.
SO THAT IS THE DIFFICULTY.
AGAIN, MAKING IT DIFFICULT FOR HOUSEHOLDS EVEN MAKING UP TO
140% AREA MEDIAN INCOME TO QUALIFY FOR THE PURCHASE OF THAT
UNIT.
ANOTHER PROGRAM THAT WE HAD EARMARKED WAS THE ACQUISITION,
STRATEGIC ACQUISITIONS.
SO, AGAIN, EVALUATING NUMBERS, LOOKING AT COSTS, YOU KNOW,
PAST INFORMATION, CURRENT INFORMATION, EVALUATING THE LAND
WITHIN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT.

AGAIN, RESEARCH HAS SHOWN VERY FEW PARCELS AVAILABLE AND
LAND COSTS ARE VERY HIGH IN THAT AREA.
STAFF RECOMMENDS PLACING ALL FUNDS FROM BOTH THE DPA BUDGET
ALLOCATION AND STRATEGIC ACQUISITIONS OVER TO THE UNIT
CREATION AND CONVERSION ACCOUNT IN ORDER TO MAKE SOME TYPE
OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THOSE AREAS.
I'M GOING TO PAUSE THERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
10:12:54AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OKAY.
IF THIS PARTICULAR -- BOARD MEMBER HURTAK FOLLOWED BY BOARD
MEMBER CLENDENIN.
I'M SORRY.
BOARD MEMBER HURTAK.
NO, CLENDENIN WAS FIRST.
MY APOLOGIES.
10:13:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THIS BREAKDOWN.
I WANT FOLKS TO KNOW THAT WE CAN MOVE THIS MONEY AROUND.
SO MY INTEREST IN THIS, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MOVING
SOME OF IT, BUT THE ISSUE IS IF WE'RE GOING TO CREATE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEN WE ALSO WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE DOWN
PAYMENT ASSISTANCE IN ORDER TO PURCHASE IT.
SO I DO SUPPORT MOVING MOST OF IT, BUT I DO BELIEVE WE NEED
TO LEAVE SOME.
OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS FLUID, SO YOU COULD COME BACK TO US AND
HAVE US MOVE MONEY BECAUSE, OBVIOUSLY, EVEN IF WE DID UNIT
CREATION TODAY, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BREAK GROUND FOR

ANOTHER YEAR.
SO WE'VE GOT SOME WIGGLE ROOM HERE, BUT I THINK IT'S VERY
IMPORTANT THAT THE PUBLIC KNOW WE AREN'T MOVING ALL DOWN
PAYMENT ASSISTANCE AND SAYING WE'RE GOING TO DO UNIT
CREATION FOR RENTAL ONLY.
WE SHOULD BE WORKING IN BOTH AREAS.
SO I DO BELIEVE THAT KEEPING SOME FUNDS AVAILABLE IN DOWN
PAYMENT ASSISTANCE IS IMPORTANT FOR MAYBE LOOKING AT WHAT
YOU'RE SEEING, MAYBE TWO OR THREE UNITS, JUST A KIND OF
PLACE HOLDER THAT IF YOU NEED IT, YOU CAN MOVE IT QUICKLY,
IF YOU NEED MORE, YOU CAN COME BACK TO US BUT WE ONLY MEET
ONCE A MONTH.
BUT I LIKE THE IDEA.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STILL HAVE FUNDS IN DOWN
PAYMENT ASSISTANCE SO WHEN THESE AFFORDABLE UNITS POP ON
THAT WE CAN HELP FOLKS PURCHASE THEM.
10:14:41AM >> YES, MA'AM.
10:14:41AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
AND THIS IS DOWNTOWN AND CHANNELSIDE THAT
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN FOLLOWED BY BOARD MEMBER CARLSON
FOLLOWED BY BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:14:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS ISN'T GOING TO SURPRISE ANYBODY.
WE CANNOT TREAT ALL THE CRAs AS EQUALS, BECAUSE THEY ARE
NOT.
THE INTEREST AND EQUITABLE ISSUES ARE VERY DIFFERENT

DEPENDING ON ECONOMIC CIRCUMSTANCES AS WE'VE GROWN AS A
CITY, HAD GENTRIFICATION, SKYROCKETING PRICES OF REAL
ESTATE.
THIS HARKS BACK TO JUNE 2023.
IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST MEETINGS THAT I ATTENDED AS A NEW
COUNCIL PERSON.
I WILL DEFINE THAT MEETING AS AN S SHOW.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS VERY PRODUCTIVE.
I THINK IT WAS HORRIBLE.
AND I THINK WE WALKED OUT OF THERE WITHOUT A COHESIVE
UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE WERE GOING.
IT WAS NOT WELL DESIGNED AND IT WAS NOT WELL RECEIVED BY
MYSELF, ONE OF THE FIRST MEETINGS WE DID.
I HATE TO STACK POLICY DECISIONS BASED ON A WEAK FOUNDATION.
AGAIN, AS A MEMBER OF THE CRA BOARD, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT
WAS A VERY PRODUCTIVE AND THOROUGH VETTING OF THE DIRECTION.
WE'RE TALKING A LOT, A LOT OF MONEY AND SOME CONSEQUENTIAL
DECISIONS THAT MAKE AN IMPACT ON SO MANY PEOPLE'S LIVES.
I THINK AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE NEED TO DIVIDE THIS OUT.
CLEARLY, DOWNTOWN AND CHANNELSIDE ARE VERY UNIQUE CRAs
BECAUSE OF WHERE THEY ARE, THE COST OF HOUSING, THE COST OF
EVERYTHING.
I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, TAMPA HEIGHTS MAY BE -- OF COURSE,
SUCH INCONSEQUENTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY.
I THINK IN THE FUTURE, COMING UP REALLY RAPIDLY, YBOR WILL

TRANSITION TO THE SAME DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE ABOUT
DOWNTOWN AND CHANNELSIDE.
LET'S TALK ABOUT ONE OF THE PRINCIPLES OF GOOD GOVERNMENT IS
THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF GOOD FOR THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF
PEOPLE.
I'M PROBABLY GOING TO JUMP AHEAD IN YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT
ONE OF THE PROPOSALS, $350,000 PER UNIT IN DOWNTOWN AND
CHANNELSIDE.
THAT'S JUST CRAZY BECAUSE YOU'RE LITERALLY GOING TO HELP A
HANDFUL, LITERALLY A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE VERSUS WE COULD HAVE
OTHER PROGRAMS EITHER IN PUBLIC PARKS OR TRANSPORTATION OR
OTHER THINGS WHERE PEOPLE, MAYBE THEY DON'T LIVE IN THE
DISTRICT BUT THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE AMENITIES.
SO WE'RE BOXED IN WITH SPENDING MONEY IN THE CRA.
LET'S SAY THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN AREAS JUST NORTH OF
DOWNTOWN OR CHANNELSIDE THAT ARE NOT IN THAT CRA.
IF WE COULD SUBSIDIZE TRANSPORTATION SO THEY CAN COME DOWN
AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE AMENITIES THAT ARE IN THOSE
AREAS AND WE CREATE AMENITIES IN THOSE AREAS THAT ARE PUBLIC
PARKS, BETTER TRANSPORTATION, IF WE COULD SUBSIDIZE MORE
LIKE WE'VE DONE WITH ROUTE ONE OR EXPANSION OF THE
STREETCARS SO PEOPLE CAN COME DOWN AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF
THESE OPPORTUNITIES.
GREATEST AMOUNT OF GOOD FOR GREATEST AMOUNT OF PEOPLE
SPECIFICALLY IN THOSE ISSUES IS VERY IMPORTANT.

I LOOK AT THE SUBSIDIES AND I THINK YOU HIT IT WELL ON YOUR
SLIDE, ABOUT THE DEVELOPER SUBSIDIES.
AND THAT'S IN ESSENCE WHAT WE'RE DOING.
A LOT OF THESE FOLKS ARE COMING TO THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR
DEEP POCKETS.
AGAIN, SOME PEOPLE MAY GET A SWEET DEAL OUT OF THIS, BUT
IT'S ONLY A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE.
PEOPLE GETTING THE SWEETEST DEAL BIG DEVELOPER AND SOME OF
THE DEVELOPERS ARE MY FRIENDS.
SO I'M SPEAKING ABOUT SOME OF MY FRIENDS.
THEY ARE GETTING THE SWEETEST DEAL.
THEY ARE GETTING THEIR FINGERS IN THE POCKETS OF THE
GOVERNMENT TO BUILD PROJECTS THAT MAY NOT BE FINANCIALLY
VIABLE AND ONLY HELP A REALLY, REALLY, REALLY SMALL AMOUNT
OF PEOPLE.
I WOULD MUCH RATHER -- I MEAN, I THINK MS. PARKS, APPLAUD
YOU.
I THINK YOU HAVE DONE STELLAR -- I SAID THIS IN OUR BRIEFING
-- STELLAR JOB IN ATTEMPTING TO PIVOT AND CREATE A DOCUMENT
BASED ON SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD.
BUT INFILL DEVELOPMENT CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO SOME OF OUR
NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE IT'S TRANSFORMATIONAL FOR PEOPLE.
ESPECIALLY IN SOME OF THE BLIGHTED AREAS, YOU HAVE VACANT
LOTS.
YOU HAVE DILAPIDATED HOUSING, IT CREATES ISSUES.

WHEN WE CAN DO SOMETHING TO CREATE INFILL HOUSING, I THINK
IT'S REALLY, REALLY GOOD FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE, TRANSFORMATIONAL FOR PEOPLE.
WITH NOT THAT MUCH MONEY, AGAIN, WE CAN TRANSFORM PEOPLE'S
LIVES AND TRANSFORM A LOT OF PEOPLE'S LIVES.
I THINK ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS WE CAN DO IS
REHABILITATION OF HOUSES.
WE NEED TO DOUBLE, TRIPLE, QUADRUPLE DOWN ON THAT BECAUSE IT
GIVES PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REMAIN IN THEIR HOMES,
ESPECIALLY SENIOR CITIZENS OR SINGLE PARENTS.
IT GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO ONCE AGAIN HAVE PRIDE IN
HOME OWNERSHIP.
IT GIVES PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET OUT OF A HOLE THAT
THEY MAY HAVE GOTTEN THEMSELVES INTO.
MAYBE THEY WERE UNINSURED AND THEY HAD HOMEOWNER DAMAGE,
WIND DAMAGE AND STUFF.
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT REHABILITATION IS SUCH A
CRITICALLY IMPORTANT THING.
AS WE LOOK AT THE CRAs, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
AGAIN, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO TALK ABOUT DREW PARK AS AN
EQUAL COMPONENT OF DOWNTOWN OR TALK ABOUT EAST TAMPA AS
EQUAL COMPONENT TO CHANNELSIDE.
THEY ARE ALL VERY UNIQUE.
I BELIEVE THIS COUNCIL SHOULD REALLY TAKE A HARD LOOK AT
THIS 30% ALLOCATION AND PIVOT FROM THAT AND SOME VERY

SPECIFIC AREAS OF OUR CRAs.
MY TIME IS UP SO I WILL SHUT UP.
10:19:57AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
10:19:58AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I AGREE WITH THAT PHILOSOPHICALLY EXCEPT I
THINK WE SHOULD KEEP THE 30% IN DOWNTOWN AND REDUCE THE
AMOUNT.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ROUND AND ROUND.
IF WE HAD 70 MILLION OR WHATEVER IN DOWNTOWN, AND UP UNTIL
MY COLLEAGUES CHANGED THE BUDGET A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THE
CITY FOR 20 YEARS WAS SPENDING $4 MILLION A YEAR ON ROAD
REPAIR, THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ARE REALLY UPSET ABOUT
ROAD REPAIR.
IF WE MOVE 35, HALF OF THIS MONEY, $35 MILLION A YEAR INTO
THE CITY, FIRST OF ALL, WE COULD MOVE JUST OUTSIDE THE
DOWNTOWN CRA AND BUILD A LOT CHEAPER THAN WE CAN BUILD
INSIDE THE CRA FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
BUT WE CAN ALSO FIX ROADS OR DO STORMWATER MITIGATION OR
WHATEVER.
60, 70 MILLION DOLLARS IS TOO MUCH TO TRAP INSIDE A CRA.
PEOPLE ARE REALLY ANGRY AND THEY SAY, WHY CAN'T WE USE THE
MONEY THAT'S INCREASING EVERY YEAR?
THE MONEY IS NOT THAT MUCH IN THE GENERAL FUND, ESPECIALLY
THAT'S DISCRETIONARY, EXCEPT FOR IN THE CRA.
SO IF WE REDUCED IT FROM LET'S SAY 70 MILLION DOWN TO 35,
THEN THE 30% WOULD BE OKAY.

BUT THE PROBLEM IS THERE'S TOO MUCH MONEY TRAPPED IN THE
DOWNTOWN CRA.
THE OTHER THING IS UNTIL LIKE 2019, THE CRA WAS A SLUSH FUND
FOR DEVELOPERS.
IT'S ANTICOMPETITIVE.
SOME DEVELOPERS GOT SUBSIDIES AND SOME DIDN'T.
DEPENDED ON WHO YOU WERE FRIENDS WITH AND WHO YOUR LOBBYISTS
WERE.
IT WAS A TERRIBLE SITUATION.
I APPRECIATE THE STAFF IN THE LAST FEW YEARS FOR TRYING TO
CHANGE THAT AND MS. PARKS, EXCELLENT PRESENTATION SO FAR.
I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR EXPERTISE.
JUST SHOWS YOU PUT THE RIGHT PERSON IN THE RIGHT POSITION
AND THEY CAN DO A REALLY GOOD JOB.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP IN CARRYING THIS FORWARD.
I THINK WE SHOULD WORK ON THE DEMAND SIDE INSTEAD OF THE
SUPPLY SIDE.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS IN A MINUTE.
WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE, THE FORMER EXECUTIVES IN THE CITY
WOULD GET A REQUEST FROM SOMEBODY AND SAY, I NEED $10
MILLION OR I NEED $15 MILLION.
OKAY, WELL, AS LONG AS YOU BUILD SOMETHING SHINY AND NEW
BECAUSE OUR GOAL WAS THE EDIFICE COMPLEX.
WE DIDN'T CARE WHAT THE COST WAS.
YOU PUT SOMETHING IN LIKE THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE,

THAT'S CREATING DEMAND.
SO I'D RATHER PUT IN THE DEMAND SIDE THAN THE SUPPLY SIDE.
THE OTHER THING IS, IF YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE THREE REAL FAST,
COULD YOU FLIP BACK?
THE QUICK THING I WANT TO SAY IS THAT -- YEAH, GO BACK -- IT
SAYS IN FISCAL YEAR '23 WE REAFFIRMED THIS IN 2023, BUT WE
APPROVED IT IN 2020, THE FIRST LINE.
AND THE PROBLEM WAS THAT THE STAFF AT THE TIME AND THE
ADMINISTRATION DIDN'T WANT US TO SPEND IT, SO WE DIDN'T.
IT JUST SAT THERE.
MY NEXT QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE ACCUMULATION?
I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS KEPT IN SOME
OF THESE ACCOUNTS.
YOU TALKED ABOUT THE BUDGET FOR ONE YEAR, BUT WHAT IS THE
ACCUMULATED NUMBER?
YBOR, FOR EXAMPLE, I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A LOT OF MONEY
THAT'S ACCUMULATED.
THE PROBLEM WE'VE HAD, UNLIKE ON THE CITY SIDE, WE'RE
LOOKING FOR PROJECTS ON THE CRA SIDE.
HOW MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ARE STACKED UP IN EACH OF
THESE?
DO YOU HAVE A SLIDE ON THAT?
10:23:14AM >> I DON'T KNOW.
HOLD ON.
YES, YES.

THIS IS THE ROLLOVER.
I'M SORRY.
YES, SO, YES, THIS IS THE ROLLOVER.
SO THIS INCLUDES EVERYTHING.
10:23:37AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN YOU GUYS JUST CIRCULATE AT SOME POINT --
I KNOW IT IS -- JUST CIRCULATE WHAT THE ROLLOVERS ARE SO WE
CAN SEE.
10:23:47AM >> THAT IS THE COMPLETE ROLLOVER.
THAT'S EVERYTHING WE HAVE.
10:23:49AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO LOOK AT A SINGLE YEAR AS COMPARED
TO WHAT THE ROLLOVER IS.
THAT'S THE POINT.
10:23:55AM >> YOU WANTED SINGLE YEAR.
10:23:56AM >>BILL CARLSON:
BECAUSE WE THINK THE TOTAL FOR THIS YEAR IS
23 MILLION, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE SAME NEXT YEAR IF WE
SPEND IT ALL BECAUSE WE HAVE A ROLLOVER OF SOME AMOUNT.
10:24:05AM >> FROM 2020, WHAT DATE?
10:24:07AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MONEY COMING FROM
2020 ALL THE WAY UP TO TODAY.
AT LEAST FROM 2023, BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE WE DIDN'T HAVE
ANY PROJECTS.
LIKE YBOR HAS BEEN SEARCHING FOR A PROJECT.
10:24:21AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
10:24:21AM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
IF LAST YEAR, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAD 5 MILLION IN YBOR AND

DIDN'T SPEND IT, THEN FIVE PLUS WHATEVER IS ALLOCATED THIS
YEAR.
BUT IF WE WENT BACK TO 2020 WHEN WE STARTED THIS, THERE
MIGHT BE 20, 30 MILLION BUILT UP BUT ONLY SPENDING 5 MILLION
IN A GIVEN YEAR.
WHAT IS THE TOTAL COMPARED -- WHAT IS THE TOTAL THAT'S
ACCUMULATED?
IF YOU GUYS WOULDN'T MIND JUST GIVING US THAT AT SOME POINT.
10:24:48AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ABBYE FEELEY.
IF I COULD ASK A CLARIFICATION.
PART OF THE REASON WE'RE HERE TODAY IS THAT WHILE THE BOARD
ALLOCATED THE 30%, NOBODY EVER CAME BACK AND SAID THE 30%
HAS BEEN DIVIDED AMONGST THESE FIVE PROGRAMS.
IT WAS A 30% BUCKET.
WE CAN BRING YOU BACK WHAT THE 30% WAS FROM '23 AND '24 AND
WHAT WAS SPENT OUT OF THAT 30% AND THEN WHAT'S ROLLED
FORWARD.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TODAY IS SAY YOU HAVE ALLOCATED THE
30% AND FOR THIS YEAR, WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT IT INTO THESE
BUCKETS TO THEN WORK TOWARD DOING THAT VERSUS JUST HAVING IT
AS A LUMP SUM SO WE ALL KNOW WHERE IT'S BEEN ALLOCATED AND
WHERE WE WILL WORK OVER THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR TO GET THOSE
FUNDS EXPENDED.
10:25:42AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK THAT'S GREAT.
I APPRECIATE YOU ALL DOING THAT.

THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE, IF THERE WAS 5 MILLION ALLOCATED,
FOR EXAMPLE, IN YBOR LAST YEAR AND ALL THAT 5 MILLION WAS
SPENT FOR HOUSING OR WAS IT SPENT FOR SOMETHING ELSE?
IF IT WASN'T SPENT, IS IT SITTING IN AN ACCOUNT, HOW MUCH IS
THAT TOTAL AMOUNT OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS THAT'S BUILT UP?
10:26:04AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
WHAT WE'RE SHOWING YOU TODAY IS WHAT THE
TOTAL AMOUNT IS.
THERE'S NOTHING SITTING ANYWHERE ELSE.
WHAT'S IN THE 30% BUCKET IS WHAT HAS BEEN CARRIED FORWARD.
10:26:13AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MY QUESTION FOR YOU ALL, TO SEND US
SEPARATELY AND MAYBE PUT IN THE FILE, IF YOU COULD, SEPARATE
OUT THIS YEAR VERSUS WHAT'S ACCUMULATED SO PEOPLE CAN SEE
WHAT'S ACCUMULATED.
SOME MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SAY YOU ALLOCATED THIS, HAVEN'T
SEEN THE MONEY SPENT AND WE NEED TO SHOW THEM THAT, YEAH,
THE MONEY HAS BEEN ACCUMULATING, AND THIS NUMBER IS THIS
YEAR'S NUMBER PLUS THAT ACCUMULATION.
10:26:38AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
WE CAN BREAK THOSE SLIDES OUT TO INCLUDE
PRIOR FISCAL YEAR '25 WHAT THE FUNDS WERE AND WHAT THE
CURRENT ALLOCATION FOR -- WOULD THAT -- OR YOU WANT A
ROLLOVER MULTIPLE YEARS OR NOWHERE WE ARE TODAY AS WHAT WAS
BROUGHT FORWARD AND WHAT IS THIS YEAR'S?
10:26:56AM >>BILL CARLSON:
2020 TO 2024, THERE WAS 20 MILLION THAT
SHOULD HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED.
15 OF THAT HAS BEEN SPENT ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEN 5

MILLION LEFT AND THAT ROLLS FORWARD.
SO THAT'S REALLY JUST TO SHOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN
THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AND WHAT ROLLING FORWARD.
10:27:16AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
JUST FOR CLARITY ON THE ITEMS, WHEN WE
LOOK AT THE AFFORDABILITY, 100% DOWN TO, SO ON.
TALKING ABOUT PURCHASING THE UNIT, THE DIFFERENT COSTS, DO
WE EMPHASIZE AND UNDERSTAND, DO WE HAVE A METRIC THAT PUTS
IN THE INSURANCE COST EVERY YEAR FOR THAT UNIT?
DO WE PUT THE COST OF TAXATION FOR THAT UNIT FROM THE
GENERAL PUBLIC THAT GOES TO MR. ENRIQUEZ AND COMPARE TO SEE
WHAT THE SALARIES, CAN THAT SALARY MATCH THAT AFTERWARDS?
WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO, I DON'T WANT -- I AGREE WITH BOTH
COLLEAGUES WHO SPOKE EARLIER IN THE SYSTEM OF WHO GETS WHAT,
AND AT THE COST OF LIVING GOES UP, IS THE SALARY GOING UP
COMPARED TO THESE RATES, A DOCTOR STARTING OBGYN, NOT THOSE
THAT DO SURGERIES, THOSE THAT ARE GENERAL PRACTITIONERS,
THEY QUALIFY FOR THIS, I THINK.
THAT IS THE LOWEST PAID IN THE DOCTOR FIELD, IF I REMEMBER.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS HOW DO WE HELP THE MOST PEOPLE WITH THE
MONEY THAT WE HAVE SO THAT THOSE IN THE BOTTOM CAN CLIMB UP
STRATEGICALLY.
LET ME SAY THIS.
1968 I COULD HAVE BOUGHT A HOUSE ON PARIS STREET, FOUR
BLOCKS NORTH OF HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE, PAYMENT WOULD HAVE BEEN
$119.

YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED?
WEST TAMPA PAYING OVER $69.
I'M NOT GENIUS, BUT I KNOW WHAT I COULD AFFORD.
THAT WAS WITH A SECOND MORTGAGE OF $7.
IT'S INCUMBENT ON ALL OF US TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THAT GET
THE MONEY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND PURCHASING IT CAN
CERTAINLY FIT WITHIN THEIR PARAMETERS OF INCOME SO THAT THEY
CAN STAY AND OWN IT.
I DON'T WANT SOMETHING TO BE SOLD TODAY FOR TOMORROW, LOSE
IT, FLIP, NOT SAYING THAT WILL HAPPEN.
EVERYTHING IN LIFE HAS PROBABILITIES IF THERE'S AN
OPPORTUNITY.
10:29:16AM >> YES, SIR.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE DO LOOK AT COST FOR THAT
HOMEOWNER.
THAT'S WHY IT WAS INCREASED FROM THE 40,000 TO 50,000 BEING
THE MAXIMUM.
IT'S LIKE ANALYZED ON A YEARLY BASIS JUST LIKE THE INCOME.
10:29:33AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SIMPLY SAY THIS, THAT INDIVIDUAL MIGHT BE
BETTER OFF AT A LOWER PURCHASE PRICE WHERE HE AND SHE CAN
HAVE OTHER AMENITIES TO LIVE WITH.
THAN THE ONE -- UP TO HERE CHOKING.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS, WE'VE GOT TO UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYONE
HAS A DIFFERENT INCOME.
EVERYONE HAS A DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON THE JOB AND WHAT YOU

THINK YOU'LL MAKE FIVE YEARS, SIX YEARS FROM NOW.
THIS IS WHAT GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE LOOKING AT SO YOU CAN SAY
THIS PERSON STAY THERE AND BE ABLE TO DO WHATEVER HE OR SHE
WANTS.
10:30:06AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YES, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, ABBYE FEELEY, YES.
OUR DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM IN ALL OF -- IN HOUSING
UNIVERSALLY AND WITHIN THE CRAs INCLUDES THAT HOUSING
COUNSELING.
BUT THE COST WHEN WE DO, WHICH HAS RISEN SEVERAL TIMES SINCE
EVEN I'VE BEEN BACK AT THE CITY, IT WAS AT 311 AND NOW IT IS
UP TO 450, BUT THAT DOES INCLUDE INSURING THAT THE ESCROW
GOES IN FOR THE TAXES AND THE INSURANCE.
IT'S NOT A 450.
STILL HAS TO HAVE THOSE ELEMENTS.
10:30:38AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO MAKE SURE OF THAT.
THANK YOU.
10:30:42AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
I JUST WANT TO COMMENT SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANNELSIDE
AND DOWNTOWN, TO SAY I BELIEVE, PARTICULARLY FOR DOWNTOWN,
THAT THERE IS STILL OPPORTUNITY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WE DO HAVE THE ARMY NAVY STORE.
WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE RFP FOR THAT, BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S AN
OPPORTUNITY ALONG WITH EVEN UNIQUE POSSIBILITIES IN TERMS OF
HOUSING DOWNTOWN FOR US TO BE VERY AGGRESSIVE BECAUSE WE
HAVE SO MUCH FUNDING THERE THAT WE NEED TO REALLY FOCUS AND

LOOK AT OPPORTUNITIES THAT PROVIDE AFFORDABILITY IN DOWNTOWN
BECAUSE THERE IS SUCH A GREAT AMOUNT OF MONEY THERE.
THE 140% AMI AND HELPING SOMEONE OF THAT CALIBER MEANS THEY
MAKE HOW MUCH MONEY.
140% AMI --
10:31:26AM >> THAT'S ABOUT RIGHT NOW FOR A HOUSEHOLD, 93,000 A YEAR.
HOWEVER, JUST LIKE BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA STATED, THAT IS
ACTUALLY ENTRY LEVEL DOCTOR.
AND THAT'S ACTUALLY A NURSE, FIREFIGHTER.
SO THAT IS THE WORKFORCE AT THAT 140% AMI.
THEY, AS YOU KNOW, STILL HAVE DIFFICULTY FINDING AFFORDABLE
HOUSING.
10:31:49AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ABSOLUTELY.
IT DOES RANGE ACROSS THE BOARD.
I DON'T WANT TO DENY THAT.
YOUR QUESTION, GO BACK TO YOUR RECOMMENDATION SLIDE FOR
CHANNELSIDE AND DOWNTOWN.
THEN WE CAN START AT EAST TAMPA, WEST TAMPA, DREW PARK.
IF ANYONE WANT TO MAKE COMMENT ON ANY OF THE OTHERS.
THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
ANYONE HAVE COMMENTS ON THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY ARE
ASKING US FOR?
10:32:19AM >> I JUST WANT TO MENTION, THIS IS JUST FOR AT THIS MOMENT.
WE'RE GOING TO ANALYZE THIS, SEE HOW THIS WORKS, CHECK IN
WITH YOU GUYS AROUND, YOU KNOW, JUST JULY, WHENEVER YOU WANT

TO CALL ME, I ANSWER.
SO, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A STARTING OFF POINT.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TODAY TO JUST RECOMMEND
THAT WE MOVE THOSE TO THE UNIT CREATION AND CONVERSION LINE
ITEM BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW WE COULD DO
AS WE LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS FOR THOSE TWO AREAS.
10:32:52AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
BOARD MEMBER HURTAK.
10:32:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I WAS GOING TO REPLY TO A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY
DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT I'M GOING TO WAIT AND FOCUS
SOLELY ON THIS BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I ALREADY SAID THAT I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
I JUST THINK WE NEED TO SAVE A LITTLE BIT IN DOWN PAYMENT
ASSISTANCE JUST IN CASE.
10:33:13AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OKAY.
ANY COMMENTS ON EAST TAMPA?
10:33:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ALONG WITH MY COMMENT, I'M GOING TO SAY THAT
I MOVE THAT WE PUT IN PLACE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.
FOR EVERYBODY.
THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CHANNELSIDE AND DOWNTOWN.
10:33:41AM >> THE OTHER AVENUES WE WORK OUT THOSE OTHER PROGRAMS, BUT
JUST FOR THOSE BEING THAT THEY ARE SPECIALIZED AREAS, ASKING
FOR THAT.
10:33:49AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT?
10:33:50AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.

10:33:51AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY BOARD
MEMBER HURTAK.
SECOND FOLLOWED BY BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
DISCUSSION?
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
10:33:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I STRONGLY URGE THE BOARD NOT TO DO THIS.
I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF UNMET NEEDS IN DOWNTOWN AND
CHANNELSIDE.
I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS THE BEST USE OF GOVERNMENT MONEY.
IN FACT, I THINK I FREQUENTLY SEE THIS IS GOING TO GET A LOT
OF BLOW-BACK FROM PEOPLE IN THE MEDIA WHEN THEY GET BACK AND
SEE THE COST PER UNIT AND THE AMOUNT OF ACQUISITION.
AGAIN, GREATEST AMOUNT OF GOOD FOR THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF
PEOPLE.
WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT?
WE HAVE MAJOR TRANSPORTATION NEEDS IN BOTH OF THESE AREAS.
WE HAVE MAJOR PARK NEEDS IN BOTH OF THESE AREAS.
WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH GREENSPACE.
WE DON'T HAVE TRANSPORTATION.
WE'RE LOOKING TO EXTEND THE STREETCAR WHICH WILL BE LIFE
ENHANCING FOR MANY PEOPLE, NOT JUST IN DOWNTOWN AND
CHANNELSIDE, BUT YBOR CITY, TAMPA HEIGHTS AND THE ADJOINING
NEIGHBORHOODS.
I THINK WHEN WE SIT HERE AS CITY COUNCIL, WE HAVE A LOT OF
OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS FROM OUR GENERAL

BUDGET TO DISCUSS SULPHUR SPRINGS AND THE CREATION OF
AFFORDABLE HOUSING, TO DISCUSS OTHER AREAS, GRANT PARK AND
THOSE AREAS, THE CREATION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THESE TWO AREAS ARE JUST -- RETURN ON INVESTMENT AND THE
AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE'RE SPENDING IS JUST NOT THE BEST USE
OF OUR RESOURCES AT THIS TIME.
IF WE COULD PROVIDE AFFORDABLE TRANSPORTATION TO PEOPLE THAT
MAYBE DON'T LIVE DOWNTOWN BUT LIVE ADJACENT TO DOWNTOWN,
THAT WILL BE LIFE ENHANCING.
IT WILL EXPAND OPPORTUNITIES, EXPAND JOB OPPORTUNITIES.
EVEN AT THE RATES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE PEOPLE WORKING AS
SERVERS DOWNTOWN, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING AT THE STRAZ,
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING AT TAMPA THEATRE, AT ALL OF OUR
HOTELS, THEY STILL CAN'T AFFORD THIS.
AGAIN, WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WORKING DOWNTOWN.
THIS IS ONLY GOING TO HELP A HANDFUL.
YOU GIVE THEM AFFORDABLE TRANSPORTATION, THEY CAN GET DOWN
HERE AND WORK.
THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
BECAUSE JOBS ARE IMPORTANT AND PEOPLE NEED JOBS AND NEED TO
BE ABLE TO GET TO THEIR JOBS AND GET TO HEALTH CARE.
WE'RE BUILDING SO MUCH HEALTH CARE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THESE
AREAS, BUT HOW ARE PEOPLE GOING TO GET THERE?
THERE'S NO PARKING.
THEY HAVE TO COME DOWN AND SPEND $25 AN HOUR TO PARK IN SOME

OF THESE PARKING SPOTS.
LET'S GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY WITH TRANSPORTATION TO GET
TO HEALTH CARE.
LET'S GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY WITH TRANSPORTATION TO GET
TO THEIR JOBS.
THAT'S WHAT THIS BOARD AND US AS WE CITY AS CITY COUNCIL
SHOULD BE -- AS WE SIT AS CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE --
10:36:13AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
DID YOU WANT TO REPLY?
10:36:16AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M SORRY.
10:36:17AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
BOARD MEMBER VIERA.
10:36:17AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN MAKES SOME VERY, VERY GOOD POINTS WHICH
IS WE DO HAVE TO INVEST OBVIOUSLY IN DOWNTOWN
TRANSPORTATION.
I ALWAYS SAY A LOT OF THINGS IN LIFE AREN'T BLACK-AND-WHITE.
THERE IS GRAY HERE OBVIOUSLY.
I VOTED ON A LOT OF THINGS IN DOWNTOWN, I THINK $35 MILLION
IN GRANTS TO DIFFERENT INSTITUTIONS IN DOWNTOWN BECAUSE I DO
THINK WE CAN EITHER, NUMBER ONE, COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAS
CHAMPIONED THIS AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN, CAPPED THE
DOWNTOWN CRA AND USED THAT MONEY IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY
OR ALTERNATIVELY, LIKE COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN SAID, WE CAN USE
IT FOR THINGS WITHIN DOWNTOWN, THINGS LIKE THE STREETCAR,
THINGS LIKE PARKS, ET CETERA, THOSE ARE THINGS I CITED WHEN
I VOTED AGAINST THOSE THINGS YEARS AGO.

THE DISTINCTION FOR THIS, WHICH, AGAIN, I MENTIONED
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN'S REMARKS BECAUSE I THINK THEY ARE VERY
WORTHY, THE DISTINCTION FOR ME HERE IS I WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT IN DOWNTOWN THAT WE DO HAVE AFFORDABLE AND WORKFORCE
HOUSING IN DOWNTOWN.
CITY OF TAMPA PARTICULARLY SINCE COVID, THE MIDDLE CLASS HAS
SEEMED CLOSER TO THE BOTTOM THAN THE TOP.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO HAVE PLACES THROUGHOUT THE
CITY WHERE EVERYDAY WORKING PEOPLE CAN LIVE.
AGAIN, I KNOW COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN AGREES WITH THAT.
I AGREE WITH A LOT OF HIS COMMENTS.
I JUST ON THIS GRAY ISSUE, I GO ON THE SIDE OF 60/40.
BY THE WAY, I HAVE TO LEAVE IN THREE MINUTES.
10:37:38AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO ACCEPT
THE STRATEGIES AS PRESENTED TO US AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
10:37:46AM >> AYE.
10:37:47AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ANY SAY OPPOSED YET BUT VERY GOOD.
ANY OPPOSED?
10:37:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO.
10:37:52AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MOTION CARRIES.
HAVE A GREAT DAY.
EXCUSE ME.
HOLD ON A SECOND.
YES, BOARD MEMBER HURTAK.

10:38:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I JUST WANT TO KIND OF CLEAR THE AIR SO WE CAN GET FORWARD
TO THE ACTUAL WORK.
WE ALREADY TRIED CAPPING THE DOWNTOWN CRA AS THE CRA.
IT FAILED.
LET'S STOP BEATING THE HORSE.
AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS CRITICAL EVERYWHERE.
IT JUST IS.
I LOVE THE IDEA OF TRANSIT BUT WE CAN'T MOVE THE MONEY
BEYOND THE BORDERS.
CAN'T EXPAND TRANSIT INTO THE PARTS OF THE CITY THAT YOU SAY
THE HOUSING IS, WE CAN'T MOVE IT THERE.
STOP.
STOP.
WHY ARE WE WASTING TIME TALKING ABOUT THINGS WE CAN'T DO?
THIS IS FRUSTRATING TO ME.
AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS CRITICAL EVERYWHERE.
THIS IS WHY THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST KEPT BEING BROUGHT
FORWARD.
IF YOU WANT TO SPEND AND YOU DON'T THINK PEOPLE CAN AFFORD
HOUSING, THAT'S WHAT COMMUNITY LAND TRUST IS FOR.
I'M JUST GOING TO LEAVE IT AT THAT.
BUT, PLEASE, CAN WE STOP TALKING ABOUT CAPPING THE DOWNTOWN
CRA?
PLEASE, CAN WE STOP TALKING ABOUT EXPANDING TRANSIT TO WHERE

PEOPLE LIVE?
BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY THOSE AREAS ARE OUTSIDE OF THESE
CRAs.
THANK YOU.
10:39:13AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
BOARD MEMBER HURTAK, I APPRECIATE YOUR
COMMENTS.
THEY DO HAVE A RIGHT TO --
10:39:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I KNOW.
JUST SAYING.
10:39:19AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I AGREE WITH YOU.
I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH YOU.
THE MONEY IS WHERE IT IS.
AND THAT'S WHY WE GAVE THE MONEY TO THE STRAZ AND TO THE ART
MUSEUM IN SUCH HIGH AMOUNTS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT WAS
AVAILABLE IN THE CRA.
FOR EFFICIENCY, LET'S MOVE ON AND DISCUSS --
10:39:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
[INAUDIBLE]
10:39:37AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN, PLEASE ALLOW ME TO
GET THROUGH THIS MEETING WITH THESE COMMENTS SO THAT THE
PUBLIC CAN STAY FOCUSED ON THE PRESENTATION.
GO BACK TO, ANY COMMENTS ON EAST TAMPA CRA?
ANY COMMENTS ON EAST TAMPA CRA?
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS A LOT GOING ON IN EAST TAMPA CRA,
AT LEAST 14 LOTS AVAILABLE LISTED.
THAT'S MORE THAN ANY OTHER PLACE.

WE HAVE $9 MILLION.
I APPRECIATE YOUR REPORT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON EAST TAMPA?
WEST TAMPA?
DREW PARK?
CENTRAL PARK?
I DO HAVE A COMMENT ON CENTRAL PARK.
WE BOUGHT THE JOHNSON HOUSES THERE.
DO THEY BELONG TO US NOW OR TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY?
BECAUSE THERE IS OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP THAT LAND OVER THERE
FOR HOUSING.
IS THAT A PART OF US OR TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY?
10:40:36AM >> HOUSING AUTHORITY.
10:40:37AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ALL RIGHT.
TAMPA HEIGHTS, ANY COMMENTS?
CHANNELSIDE AND DOWNTOWN WE DISCUSSED.
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
10:40:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
I THINK YOU SEE THAT THE INPUT FROM THE BOARD IS THAT THESE
CRAs ARE VERY DIFFERENT.
ON TRANSPORTATION, CRITICAL ELEMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
CONSISTS OF SEVERAL AREAS THAT ARE WITHIN THE CRA.
AS A CITY COUNCIL WE HAVE -- THE FAIR THREE RUNS RIGHT
THROUGH THE CRA.
CREATION OF THE EXPANSION OF THE STREETCAR IS GOING TO GO

RIGHT THROUGH A MAJOR ELEMENT OF THIS, IN FACT, PROBABLY 50%
OR MORE OF THE EXPENSE IS GOING TO BE IN THE DOWNTOWN CRA
GOING FROM THE CONVENTION CENTER ALL THE WAY UP TO COLUMBUS,
DOWN COLUMBUS AND BACK DOWN FLORIDA.
IT WILL BE A CRITICAL ELEMENT OF THAT.
WE'RE CONSTANTLY TALKING TO HART, AT LEAST I AM, AND WISH
COUNCILMAN VIERA WAS HERE, ABOUT THE FUTURE OF MARION
STREET.
HOW WE'RE GOING TO REDEVELOP MARION STREET AND RECLAIM THAT
FOR THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA BECAUSE IT WAS A FAILED EXPERIMENT
BY HART, UNDERUTILIZED AND IT'S PROBLEMATIC.
LOTS OF TRANSPORTATION NEEDS.
THERE'S SIDEWALKS AND BIKE PATHS TO MAKE THESE AREAS MORE
LIVABLE PLACE TO BE THAT WE CAN BE INVESTING MONEY.
WHEN YOU DIVIDE THE AMOUNT OF SUBSIDIES PER UNIT, YOU ARE
LITERALLY TALKING A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE GETTING A LOT OF
MONEY.
AND THE CREATION OF WORKFORCE HOUSING, IT'S NOT DOING IT.
IT'S ONLY A HANDFUL OF UNITS.
WE'RE NOT CREATING MAJOR APARTMENT.
I WILL SAY I'LL BACK OFF A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY
SUPPORTED AND ENDORSED THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE ARMY NAVY
AND THEN AS A CITY COUNCIL, THE ADJACENT PARKING LOT.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE NEED TO SEE THAT TO THE END AND MAKE
SURE THAT IS A REALLY GOOD PROJECT AND NEED TO MAKE SURE WE

HAVE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO REDEVELOP THAT
PROJECT.
HOW DOES THAT PROJECT ENTER INTO THE MONEY WE JUST
DISCUSSED?
THE EXISTING PROPOSALS FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT WE'LL PUT AN
RFP OUT, THE $20 MILLION THAT'S LEFT IN THE DOWNTOWN CRA,
HOW DOES THAT INTEGRATE WITH THE ARMY NAVY AND PARKING LOT
PROPOSALS FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING.
10:42:50AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE HAVEN'T --
10:42:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW ARE WE SAVING MONEY?
CAN THIS MONEY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, HOW DOES THAT WORK
WITH THIS PROJECT?
10:43:03AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
IF I MAY, JUST A MOMENT.
ABBYE FEELEY.
BOARD, WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE SUBSIDIES
YET.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOUR ALLOCATION OF THE 30% AND HOW WE
WOULD LIKE TO PROGRAMMATICALLY ALLOCATE THAT.
WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET.
WE'LL GET THERE IN JUST A MINUTE AND I'M HAPPY TO TALK A
LITTLE BIT MORE AT THAT TIME BECAUSE WHAT'S CURRENTLY
HAPPENING TO US OR WHAT'S CURRENTLY HAPPENING TO THE CRA
TEAM IS SOMEBODY SEES THAT 30% NUMBER AND THEY SAY $10
MILLION AND THEY WALK IN THE DOOR AND THEY WANT THAT $10
MILLION.

AND THAT WOULD WIPE OUT THE CRA FOR THAT YEAR OR IF THEY
SAY, OH, WAIT, WE'LL TAKE 3 AND A HALF FOR THREE YEARS,
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW IS THAT WITHOUT THE BOARD
SAYING WE WOULD LIKE OUR 30% ALLOCATED THIS WAY, WHICH IS
STEP ONE AND YOU'RE FINISHING THAT RIGHT NOW, AND THAT'S
FABULOUS.
STEP TWO IS HERE ARE THE SUBSIDIES PER UNIT WE WANT TO FOCUS
ON.
THEY ARE NOT A HARD-AND-FAST RULE.
WE HAVE A LITTLE WIGGLE ROOM IN THERE AS WELL THAT WOULD
THEN BE BROUGHT TO THE BOARD.
BUT THAT PUTS THE STAFF IN A POSITION TO CARRY OUT THE FUNDS
IN A WAY THAT IS DEFENSIBLE IS TO SAY, NO, I'M SORRY, YOU
CAN'T COME INTO EAST TAMPA AND TAKE 4.9 MILLION FOR THE NEXT
THREE YEARS.
THIS WILL ALLOW US TO GET TO THE MOST PEOPLE IN THE BEST
WAY, I BELIEVE.
BUT I'D LIKE TO LATE BEA MAKE THE PRESENTATION AND HAVE THE
DISCUSSION IN JUST A MINUTE.
10:44:35AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN.
10:44:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE ISSUE THAT'S BEFORE US RIGHT NOW ON
THE DOWNTOWN, OF CORRALLING THIS MONEY, WHAT IS THE IMPACT
THAT HAS ON THIS PROJECT, THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE ARMY NAVY
STORE AND ADJACENT PARKING LOTS?
10:44:58AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE KNOW THAT YET HONESTLY

BECAUSE ONCE WE PUT THE RFP OUT AND THE RFP HAS
SPECIFICATIONS IN IT AS TO THE NUMBER OF AFFORDABLE UNITS,
NUMBER OF ARTS UNITS, THE NUMBER OF -- THAT WILL GO OUT AND
WE WILL GET THOSE PROPOSALS BACK.
AND WE DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THOSE PROPOSERS ARE GOING TO BE
ASKING FOR A CHUNK OF YOUR CRA 30% IN THE DOWNTOWN YET.
THEY COULD.
10:45:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS IT TYING OUR HANDS TODAY?
10:45:25AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
NO.
10:45:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS IT GOING TO BIND TO US SOMETHING THAT
WILL PREVENT US FROM REDEVELOPING OR HAVING ACCESS TO THE
$20 MILLION TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT PROJECT?
10:45:35AM >> NO.
10:45:37AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:45:38AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING.
COUNCILS BEFORE US, THIS COUNCIL AND COUNCILS IN THE FUTURE
AND ALL THOSE THAT HAVE WORKED IN YOUR AREA, SPECIFIC VALUE
TO TALKING ABOUT, VERY DIFFICULT FOR THIS COUNCIL, WHEN YOU
REINVENTING A CITY AND MAKING IT LOOK DIFFERENT ALL AT THE
SAME TIME FOR MANY YEARS, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ICE CREAM
VANILLA.
IT'S GOING TO BE HARD WORK.
I'VE GOT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE CRAs, ALL OF THEM, THE
PEOPLE WHO GAVE THEIR TIME TO GO OUT AND MEET REGULARLY TO
MAKE SURE THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS GOT WHAT THEY NEED, THE CRA

MEMBERS, HEADS OF THE CRA, DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATION THAT WE
WORKED FOR, AND THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE VERY DIFFICULT
TO DO.
THAT BEING SAID, IT JUST, GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, I BELIEVE
THAT THE STREETCAR SYSTEM WE HAVE NOW AND GOING BY MEMORY,
GOING BACK TO THE '90s NOW, I THINK COST $11 MILLION.
YOU CAN VERIFY THAT.
I'M NOT SURE I'M CORRECT.
$11 MILLION DOESN'T GO TWO BLOCKS NOW.
IN FACT, WE WERE CHARGED $500,000 ACROSS A RAILROAD TRACK SO
WOULDN'T HIT A TRAIN.
WHAT ARE THE ODDS WE'LL HIT A TRAIN IF ONE STOPS?
WE STOP AT ALL RAILROAD CROSSINGS, THE STREETCAR DOES.
I THINK 300, 350,000.
HELL OF A DEAL THERE.
JUST AMAZING THINGS WITH THE COST OF VALUE FROM WHEN IT
STARTED IN THE '90s TO 2024 AND NOW 2025.
YOU CAN'T BUY A GALLON OF MILK WHICH YOU DID THEN.
HOW WILL YOU REINVENT A CITY IF IT AIN'T COSTING TEN TIMES
OR MORE.
VALUE COST PERTAINING TO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
AND THESE THINGS ARE EXPENSIVE.
I DON'T CARE IF IT'S 80%, 60%, 100%, 140%, THEY HAVE ALL
GONE UP IN VALUE ENORMOUSLY.
SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE FACED WITH.

THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE THE CHANGES FOR.
BUT LIKE I SAID AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, WE MESSED UP AND WE
CHANGED FROM THE CITY TRANSIT LINE TO HARTLINE BECAUSE NOW
IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE'S CONTROL, NOT OURS.
THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, WE HAD OVER 50 MILES OF STREETCAR AND STREETCARS
WERE OPERATING.
IN THE '50s, WE TOOK OUT THE OPERATIONAL PART OF IT AND
STREETCAR DISAPPEARED.
IN THE MID '60s, WE TOOK THE STREET LANES, WHERE THEY
WALK, THE METAL PART THAT IS STILL THERE, SO WHAT DO WE HAVE
LEFT?
OLD IS NEW AND NEW IS OLD AT THE SAME TIME.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY, IT'S VERY HARD TO DO THAT.
MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE MR. CARLSON TELL ME HOW TO DO THESE
THINGS 25 YEARS AGO SO WE DO IT THE RIGHT WAY.
IT IS WHAT IT IS.
WE'RE FACED WITH A DILEMMA THAT WE HAVE TO SOLVE.
CERTAINLY, IT'S GOING TO BE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION.
ALWAYS SHOULD BE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION BECAUSE THIS IS A
DEMOCRACY.
THANK YOU.
10:48:42AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MS. PARKS, PLEASE CLOSE OUT YOUR
PRESENTATION.
10:48:46AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON ALL.

10:48:47AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
10:48:48AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YOU VOTED ON THAT.
10:48:49AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE DID.
10:48:50AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
AND ALSO ON THE STRATEGY.
THAT'S ALL DONE, CLOSED OUT.
THANK YOU.
10:48:55AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MS. PARKS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR
PRESENTATION.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD?
10:49:01AM >> YES, I'LL GO THROUGH THE PART TWO, WHICH IS THE SUBSIDY.
10:49:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE ONLY VOTED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR
CHANNEL -- SO IF SHE NEEDS US TO VOTE ON ALL OF THE BUDGET,
I WILL MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET FOR THE
HOUSING OF ALL CRAs.
10:49:22AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
BEA, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD?
10:49:26AM >> I'LL GO OVER THE SUBSIDIES.
10:49:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT THAT'S DIFFERENT.
10:49:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOVE TO DIVIDE THE QUESTION, REMOVING
CHANNELSIDE AND DOWNTOWN BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO VOTE
AGAINST THOSE TWO AND VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE OTHERS.
10:49:39AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE ALREADY HAVE A SECOND, MOTION AND
SECOND ON THE FLOOR.
THAT WAS YOUR DISCUSSION.
10:49:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THOUGHT WE ALREADY VOTED ON DOWNTOWN

CHANNELSIDE.
10:49:48AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
NO, WE VOTED ON STRATEGY.
10:49:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
VOTED ON A STRATEGY FOR DOWNTOWN AND
CHANNELSIDE.
I'M NOT GOING TO -- NO, I'M NOT GOING TO AMEND MY MOTION.
10:49:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S NOT UP TO YOU.
I MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE MOTION TO DIVIDE IT --
10:50:04AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF IT IS A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, HE TAKES
PRECEDENT --
10:50:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO DIVIDE THE QUESTION.
10:50:13AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IS THERE A SECOND?
MOTION DIES.
THE AMENDED MOTION DIES.
NOW WE CAN GO BACK TO -- PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURES, DO YOU
NEED TO STATE YOUR MOTION AGAIN, BOARD MEMBER HURTAK?
10:50:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE BUDGETS.
10:50:33AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THE SECOND CAME FROM MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
10:50:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I VOTE NO BECAUSE OF THE DOWNTOWN
CHANNELSIDE.
10:50:41AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MOTION CARRIES WITH BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN
VOTING NO.
GO AHEAD, MS. PARKS.

10:50:51AM >> WE'RE MOVING TO PART TWO, THE CRA HOUSING SUBSIDY
OVERVIEW.
DISCUSSION OVERVIEW JUST LIKE ADMINISTRATOR FEELEY
MENTIONED, DEVELOPERS ARE CONTINUING TO APPROACH THE
DIFFERENT CRAs FOR HOUSING FUNDS.
CURRENTLY, THERE ARE NO PROGRAM GUIDELINES ON HOW TO
EVALUATE THESE REQUESTS.
FOR EXAMPLE, SEVERAL DEVELOPERS HAVE APPROACHED THE CRA
REQUIRING THE ENTIRE 30% ALLOCATION FOR PROJECTS EXPANDING
OVER SEVERAL YEARS.
IN COLLABORATION WITH HCD AND INDUSTRY PARTNERS, WE'VE
DEVELOPED A MATRIX TO PROVIDE PARAMETERS FOR REVIEW OF CRA
FUNDING REQUESTS.
HERE IS THE MATRIX.
AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WHAT WE HAVE IS AN AREA MEDIAN INCOME
CHART STARTING AT 30% ALL THE WAY UP TO 140%.
NOW, THE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, WHICH IS THE 30 TO 80% AMI,
AS YOU KNOW, IT SHOWS IN THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT THAT
THIS IS THE GREATEST NEED FOR HOUSING AT THE MOMENT.
SO IT DOES HAVE THE HIGHER SUBSIDY AMOUNT.
SO BASED OFF OF 30% UNIT, THE MAX IS 350 FOR THAT UNIT.
AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE DIVIDED IT AMONGST THE BEDROOM
COUNTS, SO IT'S STUDIO OR ONE BEDROOM, 300, TWO BEDROOM,
300, THREE BEDROOM AND THEN FOUR BEDROOM AT THE MAX OF 350.
AGAIN UP TO, BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE PROJECTS.

AGAIN, 50%, YOU SEE THAT AT 275 FOR A STUDIO AND ONE
BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM AND -- TWO BEDROOM AND THEN THE THREE
BEDROOM AT 325 PER UNIT.
AND THEN THE FOUR BEDROOM AT 325 BECAUSE THE NEED IS FOR
FOUR BEDROOMS AS WELL.
80% JUST GIVING YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THAT INCOME FOR A
HOUSEHOLD OF FOUR AT 76,000 PER YEAR, THE STUDIO AND ONE
BEDROOM IS AT THE 250 PER UNIT, TWO BEDROOM 250 AND THEN FOR
THE THREE AND FOUR, WE HAVE THEM AT 300K PER UNIT.
THEN WHEN WE GO UP TO THE 120% AMI, AGAIN, 120 AND 140 IS
THE WORKFORCE POPULATION.
WE'RE AT THE 125 FOR THE STUDIO AND ONE BEDROOM.
THE TWO BEDROOM, AND THEN WE INCREASE IT TO 175 PER UNIT FOR
THE THREE AND FOUR BEDROOM.
AGAIN, THE 140% AMI POPULATION, WHICH IS SUBSIDIZING THOSE
UNITS AT 75,000 ACROSS THE BOARD.
AGAIN, WHEN WE PUT MONEY INTO THE TRANSACTION, WE THEN
RESTRICT THAT UNIT FOR A 50-YEAR AFFORDABILITY PERIOD WHICH
YOU CAN SEE IS OVER THE LIFE OF THE CRA.
AGAIN, PRESERVING THOSE UNITS.
THIS CAME FROM -- THESE NUMBERS ARE BASED OFF OF THE SHIP
MAXIMUM SUBSIDY THAT, OF COURSE, THAT HOUSING AND COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT PUT TOGETHER THROUGH THEIR LHAP TO THE STATE.
THE MAXIMUM AFFORDABILITY AMOUNT SET PER UNIT WAS THE 350.
OF COURSE, AS WE KNOW, THE AREA OF THE GREATEST NEED IS AT

THE 80% AND BELOW.
SO THIS IS THE MATRIX THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
NOW, HOW DOES THE MATRIX WORK?
SO, LOOKING AT TWO EXAMPLES HERE, SO WITHIN THE CRA
GUIDELINES, AGAIN, WE WANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOMETHING
THAT WE CAN SAY YES, NO, OR MAYBE.
IN THIS CASE, THE FIRST, APPROACHING US WITH $4.5 MILLION
ASK TO PRODUCE 20 UNITS FOR 80% AFFORDABILITY AND, OF
COURSE, 50 YEARS OF THAT PERIOD, $4.5 MILLION DIVIDED BY 20
UNITS EQUALS 225 PER UNIT.
THAT PROJECT WILL COST.
IF YOU GO BACK TO THE MATRIX, AGAIN, AND THIS IS FOR THE ONE
AND TWO BEDROOM UNITS.
IF YOU GO BACK TO THE MATRIX, THEN YOU CAN SEE FOR A ONE TO
TWO BEDROOM UNIT, IT'S UNDER THE 250.
SO IN THIS CASE, THIS WILL BE A YES FROM US SAYING, YES ARE,
IT FALLS UNDER IT.
WE CAN DO IT.
WE HAVE THE MONEY AVAILABLE FOR IT.
SO LET'S GO.
LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PROJECT.
A NO EXAMPLE, IF THEY COME TO US AND AGAIN, FOR THE SAME
AMOUNT OF UNITS FOR 80% AMI, NOW REQUESTING $6 MILLION FROM
US.
SO 6 MILLION DIVIDED BY 20 UNITS, WE'RE LOOKING AT 300K PER

UNIT.
AGAIN, THEY ARE JUST PRODUCING THE ONE TO TWO BEDROOM UNITS.
IF YOU COME OVER HERE, THAT ACTUALLY EXCEEDS THE ONE TO TWO
BEDROOM, IF YOU CAN SEE THAT, BECAUSE THE MAX IS 250.
AGAIN, THIS WILL BE A NO, IT GOES OVER.
WHAT HAPPENS IF IT IS A MAYBE?
MOVING ON TO THIS SLIDE, THE REASON FOR THE MATRIX IS TO SET
THE EXPECTATIONS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.
THEY ARE KNOCKING ON OUR DOOR EVERY SINGLE DAY.
WHAT WE WANTED TO BRING OVER TO THE BOARD IS DISCUSSING LIKE
A 20% AMOUNT FLEXIBILITY FOR THE MAXIMUM.
SO THAT MEANS THAT IF IT DOES, IS WITHIN THAT 20% LIKE AREA
BETWEEN THE MAXIMUM IS 250 AND THEN 20%, KIND OF BETWEEN
THAT 20%, WE STILL WANT TO LOOK AT THAT PROJECT.
IF THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DEVELOPERS KNOCKING ON OUR DOOR IN
DREW PARK OR NOT A LOT OF CREATIVE HOUSING OPTIONS, THAT'S
WHAT THE CRA DOES, WE LOOK AT CREATIVE PROJECTS AND WE MOVE
IT FORWARD.
THIS JUST ALLOWS US WITH BOARD DISCUSSION TO HAVE LIKE A 20%
FLEXIBILITY AMOUNT TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
IT'S STILL A MAYBE DEPENDING ON THE NEED OF THAT CRA.
THE MATRIX ULTIMATELY CREATES A DIVERSIFIED INVENTORY OF
UNITS.
AGAIN, THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX WITH DIFFERENT TYPE OF
AFFORDABLE UNITS AND HOME TYPES, SIMULATES MORE CRA TIF

FUNDING.
THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT, SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE FUNDING TO
PUSH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND INCENTIVES MIXED INCOME
CREATING A MORE DIVERSE COMMUNITY.
THAT'S WHERE THE C IN CRA STANDS FOR, COMMUNITY.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SUBSIDY?
10:57:44AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
AND BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:57:49AM >>BILL CARLSON:
FIRST -- I THINK YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS
A COUPLE OF MONTHS.
THE RESEARCH YOU DID WAS OUTSTANDING.
PUTTING IN THE SHIP NUMBERS AND ALL THAT.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING A LONG TIME.
THE PROBLEM THAT WE'VE HAD IS THAT YOU HIGHLIGHTED THIS IN A
COUPLE OF GREAT EXAMPLES, BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT DEVELOPERS
COME IN AND SAY I NEED $15 MILLION AND ANOTHER SAYS I NEED
$10 MILLION.
WELL, WHICH ONE IS BETTER?
WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE THERE'S NO CRITERIA.
IT ULTIMATELY WOULD GET DOWN TO THE PRICE PER UNIT, BUT THEN
THEY SAY, WELL, WE HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT THEN IT'S
140% AMI WHICH IS WORKFORCE HOUSING, NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO THERE'S NO WAY TO COMPARE APPLES AND APPLES IN THIS
PROCESS.
THIS I THINK IS A GREAT ANALYSIS, BENCHMARK AGAINST LOCAL

AND NATIONAL STANDARDS OF WHAT THE RATES SHOULD BE.
WHAT IT SHOULD DO IS GET RID OF THE BLIND REQUEST.
IF THEY WANT A DIFFERENT KIND OF THING, LIKE AN EXTERIOR
GRANT OR SOMETHING, MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.
THE STAFF IN THE PAST HAVE FELT KIND OF BULLIED BY
DEVELOPERS WHO SAY I WANT TO GO BEFORE THE BOARD, WE WON'T
PROVE ANYTHING ANYMORE IF IT IS A FLAT NUMBER.
WE'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF SUBSIDIZING DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE NO LONGER I HOPE WORKING ON THE EDIFICE COMPLEX.
BY STATE LAW, ONE OF THE PRIMARY NAMED THINGS WE CAN DO IS
SUBSIDIZE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD DO.
I LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU PUT 50 YEARS.
SOME OF THE PROPOSALS IN THE PAST HAVE BEEN 30 YEARS.
YOU PUT 50 IN AS A CONSTANT.
GREAT THING YOU ALL ADDED.
MOST IMPORTANT THING, YOU SAID IT HERE, DIVERSITY OF
INVENTORY, WE HAVE SMALL NONPROFITS AND SMALL DEVELOPERS WHO
WANT TO DEVELOP.
IN THE PAST THEY HAVE CALLED THE CITY AND NOT THE STAFF WHO
IS HERE BUT STAFF -- WELL, YOU HAVE TO PARTNER WITH THIS BIG
DEVELOPER.
THE COMMUNITIES HAVE COMPLAINED, WHY IS IT THAT ONE
DEVELOPER WILL GET A HUNDRED UNITS OR A THOUSAND UNITS?
PART OF THAT IS THE CHASE TO TRY TO GET NUMBERS.

BUT WE KNOW FROM LOTS OF RESEARCH THAT INTENSE SPATIAL
SEGREGATION OF POVERTY IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.
WE NEED DIVERSITY OF INCOMES.
SMALL DEVELOPER, SMALL NONPROFIT CAN BUILD A QUAD OR A
DUPLEX OR A BIGGER DEVELOPER CAN BUILD A HUNDRED UNITS OR
200 UNITS.
NOW IN THE SAME PLAYING FIELD.
HAVE THE SAME PRICE.
THEY ALL HAVE TO NEGOTIATE -- SORRY, NOT NEGOTIATE.
COME IN AND SEE, HERE IS THE CHART, HOW MANY UNITS YOU PUT
IN.
OUR BUSINESS IS TO LOOK AT THEM, EVALUATE THEM AND MAKE SURE
THEY DID THE RIGHT THING.
LAST THING I'LL ADD, TAKE OUT THE 20%.
I THINK YOU NEED A BETTER REASON TO SAY NO.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE A FLAT NO.
HERE IS OUR CHART.
IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK AND GET US AN UPDATE OF THE CHART
WITH DIFFERENT FIGURES, THEN GET US UPDATED CHART.
YOU SHOULD HAVE THE POWER TO SAY NO OTHERWISE 20% WILL BE
THE NEW NORM.
EVERYBODY WILL ASK FOR THE 20%.
I THINK IT'S BETTER NOT TO INCLUDE THAT, JUST HAVE THE
CHART.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME IN DOING THIS.

11:01:02AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
I'M SORRY.
11:01:05AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
A DEVELOPER JUST AN INDIVIDUAL OR COMPANY
THAT HAS A NAME.
THAT COMPANY DOESN'T, HAVE IN MOST CASES, SAID MOST CASES,
20 ACRES OF LAND WITH PLUMBERS AND ELECTRICIANS, THEY HAVE A
CONTACT THAT THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH FOR MANY YEARS THAT
DO DIFFERENT THINGS IN THE DEVELOPMENT.
WHEN YOU DIG THE HOLE, SOMEBODY DOES THE FOUNDATION.
PUT THE SAND IN, THE SECOND PHASE OF THE FOUNDATION AND SLAP
IT DOWN AND THEN THE PLUMBER COMES IN AND MESSES UP WHAT
THEY PUT DOWN, HE PUTS IN THE PLUMBING AND THEN THEY START A
PROCESS.
THE CONCRETE PEOPLE COME ON TOP OF THAT AND FILL IT UP.
SO ALL THESE THINGS ARE DONE BY DIFFERENT COMPANIES,
DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE TIED IN AS A UNIT AS THEY
SHOULD BE TO MAKE SOMETHING ON TIME AND ON BUDGET.
IT'S DIFFICULT TO DO IT, BUT IT'S NOT DIFFICULT TO TRY TO DO
IT.
WE HAVEN'T TRIED TO DO IT.
THAT'S MY OPINION BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN VERY BUSY TRYING TO DO
IT.
THAT'S HOW THESE THINGS GO.
I'M NOT OPPOSING WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON SAID BECAUSE
THAT SHOULD BE THE NEW NORM.

YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO CONTACT AND GET BIDS FROM DIFFERENT
INDIVIDUALS, NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE, WHAT COLOR YOU ARE, HOW
SKINNY OR HOW HANDSOME OR UGLY YOU ARE, ALL OF IT.
PUT TOGETHER AND YOU GET THAT SCOPE AND BASE IT ON WHAT THEY
PRODUCE FOR THE FINAL PRODUCT AND THAT'S WHO GETS IT.
IT'S DIFFICULT I KNOW.
TIME-CONSUMING, I KNOW, BUT IT IS THE FAIREST THING I KNOW.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:02:34AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
BOARD MEMBER HURTAK FOLLOWED BY BOARD
MEMBER CLENDENIN.
11:02:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, I WAS LAST.
11:02:37AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN, YOUR TURN.
11:02:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF WE GRANTED STAFF'S REQUEST OF THE 20%,
THERE'S $20 MILLION IN DOWNTOWN, WE COULD CREATE 48 UNITS,
48 UNITS IN DOWNTOWN AND SPEND $20 MILLION, IS THAT CORRECT?
$410,000 A UNIT WITH 20% INCREASE, 350, WITH 20%, $410,000
SUBSIDY PER UNIT.
350 PLUS 20%, THAT'S 60, 70 THOUSAND DOLLARS.
11:03:23AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
IF YOU DID ALL FOUR BEDROOM UNITS, AT THE
MAXIMUM SUBSIDIZATION --
11:03:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF A DEVELOPER CAME THROUGH AND SAID
DEVELOP -- ACTUALLY LESS THAN 48.
LET'S SAY 47.
DEVELOPER CAME THROUGH AND SAID WE'LL DEVELOP A PROJECT WITH
47 UNITS OF THREE BEDROOM UNITS, STAFF WOULD HAVE THE

AUTHORITY TO SAY WE DO THAT AND WE WOULD SPEND $20 MILLION
ON 47 UNITS.
11:03:53AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
NO.
BECAUSE IN THE MOTION YOU JUST MADE YOU ALLOCATED 5.3
MILLION TO CREATION AND CONVERSION.
RIGHT NOW THERE IS A $5.3 MILLION BUCKET THAT WOULD BE THE
BUCKET THAT WOULD BE USED WHEN THESE DEVELOPMENTS COME IN TO
MAKE A REQUEST FOR US TO PARTNER WITH THEM IN A PROJECT LIKE
THE ARMY NAVY OR LIKE SOMETHING ELSE.
WE'VE HAD A COUPLE IN DOWNTOWN COME IN.
11:04:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE WOULD CREATE 12 UNITS FOR --
11:04:23AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
IF YOU ASSUMED ALL UNITS WERE FOUR BEDROOM
UNITS AT THE 350, THEN AT THE 30% AMI, WHICH IS THE LOWEST
OF THE LOW, THEN, YES, THAT WOULD BE THE AMOUNT.
11:04:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WOULD BE STAFF'S AUTHORITY.
IF COMPANY XYZ WANTED TO COME IN AND PICK THE POCKETS OF THE
TAXPAYERS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, A DEVELOPER COULD COME IN
AND SAY I WANT TO BUILD 12 UNITS, 12, THREE BEDROOM UNITS
AND I WANT $350,000 APIECE, THEY WOULD FIT WITHIN THIS
MATRIX.
IF THE MONEY WAS AVAILABLE, STAFF COULD SAY YES.
11:05:04AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
NO, STAFF WOULD SAY, YES, WE'LL TAKE YOUR
APPLICATION.
THAT IS WHAT THEY WOULD SAY AND THEN IT WOULD COME TO THIS
BOARD AND THIS BOARD COULD THEN SAY, NO --

11:05:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT LEGAL AUTHORITY DO WE HAVE TO SAY NO
IF THEY ARE WITHIN THE MATRIX WE APPROVED?
11:05:17AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THE MATRIX IS SIMPLY A GUIDELINE SYSTEM FOR
US TO SAY THAT WHEN YOU'RE COMING IN TO MAKE A REQUEST,
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I'VE SEEN A REQUEST COME IN AT $650,000 A
UNIT AND I DON'T HAVE ANY GUIDELINE TO SAY TO THEM, NO, I'M
SORRY, THE CRA BOARD HAS ESTABLISHED THESE MINIMUM
GUIDELINES FOR US TO TAKE IN APPLICATIONS AND WE'LL TAKE IN
THOSE APPLICATIONS AND THEN TAKE IT TO THE BOARD.
THE BOARD COULD SAY, IN RELATION TO OUR PURPOSE AND INTENT
FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE DO NOT WANT TO PUT OUR FULL 5.3
MILLION INTO ONE PROJECT.
WE ARE GOING TO SEEK TO DIVERSIFY THAT AND THEN YOU WOULD
HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
BUT THIS STOPS WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON WAS SAYING OR BOARD
MEMBER CARLSON, I'M SORRY, TO SAY WHERE THEY ARE JUMPING
OVER STAFF AND SAYING I WANT TO SEE THE BOARD REGARDLESS,
AND THEY ARE COMING TO YOU, AND THEN YOU ARE SEEING REQUESTS
FOR 750,000 A UNIT OR WHATEVER IT IS, WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE
A BALANCED REQUEST SYSTEM SO THAT THERE ARE EXPECTATIONS AS
TO THE FUNDS OF THIS BOARD AND HOW THOSE FUNDS WILL GO OUT
INTO THE COMMUNITY TO CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
11:06:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOR THE RECORD AND FOR POSTERITY WHEN WE
ARE SITTING HERE FUTURE DATES AND NEXT COUNCIL IS SIGNATURE
HERE OR CRA BOARD, EXCUSE ME, I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY

UNDERSTANDS WE HAVE CONSENSUS THAT THESE ARE THE MAX AND IT
IS NOT IMPLIED CONSENT.
THIS IS SOMETHING -- THIS IS JUST A THRESHOLD FOR YOU ALL TO
BE ABLE TO REJECT BEFORE WE GET IT AND THERE'S NO IMPLIED
CONSENT THAT THIS BOARD OR A FUTURE BOARD IS OBLIGATED OR
WILL EVEN APPROVE HALF OF THIS TYPE OF A SUBSIDY FOR ANY ONE
INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENT.
11:07:08AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN YOU MAKE THAT AS A MOTION?
11:07:09AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME YOU'VE HAD THE
DISCUSSION.
WHEN YOU HAVE THE DISCUSSION AND MAKE THE MOTION, IF THAT IS
THE DESIRE OF THE BOARD, I WOULD, AS COUNCILMAN CARLSON WAS
SAYING, MAKE THAT PART OF YOUR MOTION THAT THESE ARE
GUIDELINES FOR APPLICATION ACCEPTANCE.
THEY ARE NOT FOR THAT APPROVAL.
I DID BRING TO YOU SOME PROJECTS, THE ADDERLEY, BELMAR, SO
YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'VE BEEN IN TERMS OF 250 AND 350 ON
PROJECTS WE'VE PARTNERED ON, WOULD NOWHERE NEAR IT.
BUT IN YOUR HOTTEST MARKETS OR HIGHEST MARKETS IN THE
DOWNTOWN AND THE CHANNEL DISTRICT AND EVEN IN CENTRAL PARK I
THINK YOU SAW ONE COME IN AT 637 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE WANT TO BE MORE IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHERE THE STATE AND
FEDERAL HOUSING GUIDELINES ARE AND TO GIVE YOU THAT ABILITY
TO SAY, THIS IS OUR GUIDELINE AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING
TO OPERATE UNDER.

11:08:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I MAKE A MOTION --
11:08:01AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
CAN YOU LET US GET THROUGH THE COMMENTS
FIRST?
BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR MOTION.
11:08:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
[INAUDIBLE]
11:08:10AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I DID THAT.
BUT FOR FLUIDITY, BECAUSE BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA I THINK
WANTED TO COMMENT ON SOMETHING ELSE TO PIGGYBACK.
BOARD MEMBER HURTAK FOLLOWED BY BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:08:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THIS HELPS US BUT ALSO HELPS YOU.
IT HELPS YOUR STAFF BEING ABLE -- YOU KNOW, IT MAY NOT WORK.
MAY NOT WORK PERFECTLY BUT THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF BEING ABLE
TO COME AND TALK ABOUT CHANGE.
WHATEVER MOTION HAPPENS, I WOULD HOPE THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT,
SAY, NEXT YEAR'S ALLOCATION, WHEN WE APPROVE THE BUCKETS,
THAT WE ALSO BRING THIS BACK BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE
WILL BE.
THINGS MAY BE GREAT STILL.
THINGS MAY BE LESS GREAT.
SO WE WOULD NEED TO CHANGE THESE SUBSIDY AMOUNTS.
I THINK THAT BEING ABLE TO LOOK AT IT LEAST ON A YEARLY
BASIS IS JUST GOOD PRACTICE.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY RECOMMENDATION.
LOVE THE 50-YEAR AFFORDABILITY PERIOD.

I THINK THAT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.
MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION WITH THIS, AND THIS IS JUST A RANDOM
QUESTION.
I NOTICED 100% AMI IS NOT ON HERE.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT DEVELOPERS DON'T ASK
FOR, IT'S NOT A NORMAL ASK OR IF THERE IS A REASONING FOR
THAT.
11:09:28AM >> IT MIGHT BE AN OVERSIGHT, BUT BASED OFF OF SHIP INCOME
THAT'S PROVIDED, THE 30 TO 140 PERCENT IS PROBABLY AN
OVERSIGHT.
BUT I CAN INCLUDE THAT IN THE --
11:09:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY QUESTION WOULD BE, WHAT WOULD 100% BE?
WHAT WOULD THE SUBSIDIES BE?
AGAIN, THE ONLY REASON I ASK, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WAS KIND OF
-- I MEAN, GOING FROM 80 TO 120 IS A 40% INCREASE.
THAT'S RATHER LARGE.
11:09:56AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I THINK WE JUST FORGOT IT.
11:09:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
11:10:00AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I THINK THAT MAY HAVE BEEN AN OVERSIGHT.
ONE THING, THOUGH, IN TERMS OF COMING BACK ANNUALLY, AS
CEDRIC AND MS. PARKS AND MYSELF WERE WORKING ON THIS FOR THE
PAST FEW MONTHS TOGETHER, WE WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK TO YOU
IN YOUR JULY MEETING, WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU A SNAPSHOT OF
WHERE WE ARE.
MAKING THIS EFFORT TODAY, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU --

AND EVEN IF IT IS, WELL, WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY
APPLICATIONS SINCE THAT OR WHATEVER, I THINK WE'RE ON THE
SAME PAGE WITH YOU AS TO THE FLUIDITY OF THIS.
ONE THING WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO IS COME BACK TO YOU EACH
MONTH AND MOVE THE LINE ITEMS BECAUSE WE'D LIKE TO SEE HOW
THIS ALLOCATION WORKS.
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK IN JULY AND PROVIDE THAT, SHOW
YOU IN CONTEXT OF EACH OF THE CRAs WHERE WE'VE BEEN, WHAT
THOSE PROJECTS ARE, AND, OF COURSE, IF YOU'RE GETTING THOSE
APPLICATIONS IN BETWEEN, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THEM BECAUSE
THEY ARE COMING TO YOU FOR APPROVAL.
THAT WOULD BE INSTEAD OF WAITING A WHOLE YEAR, WE WOULD LIKE
TO COME BACK THEN.
11:11:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WORKS TOO.
11:11:01AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE THE
CRA AND HOUSING SUBSIDY MATRIX COME BACK AND AFTER THE JULY,
WE HAVE LIKE A WEEK AND A HALF OR SO, AFTER THE 10th OF
JULY, YEAR 2025, MATRIX AND THE OPERATION, HOW IT'S BEEN SET
UP AND HOW THEY ARE PROGRESSING IN MAKING THEIR GOALS.
11:11:20AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION?
11:11:28AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS IS JUST A MOTION TO SET UP AN UPDATE.
11:11:31AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
11:11:32AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'M HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT.
11:11:35AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?

11:11:37AM >> AYE.
11:11:37AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ANY OPPOSED?
THE MOTION CARRIES.
11:11:42AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THERE WAS A DISCUSSION OF NO 20%.
SO WAS THAT THE MOTION, THAT THE MAXIMUMS AS SHOWN ARE WHAT
WE'RE GOING TO START WITH NOW UNTIL THE JULY PERIOD?
I THINK I MISSED THAT PORTION.
BECAUSE WE HAD PUT IN THERE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ALLOW THAT
FLEXIBILITY.
I HEARD FROM BOARD MEMBER CARLSON THAT YOUR OPINION WAS
LET'S JUST STOP IT THERE.
I THINK WE WERE PUTTING EVERYTHING ON THE TABLE.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME HAVING THE DISCUSSION.
WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT TOO.
I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, IF YOU GIVE THE WIGGLE
ROOM, SOMEBODY WILL TAKE IT AND SAY THAT'S THE AMOUNT.
WE'RE COOL WITH THAT TOO.
JUST LET US KNOW.
11:12:29AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO ASK HIM TO AMEND TO
PUT THE OTHER STUFF ON?
11:12:39AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
11:12:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MATRIX AS A
GUIDELINE FOR THE MAXIMUM SUBSIDIES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING
WITH THE ADDITION OF WHAT MR. CLENDENIN --
11:12:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MAKE A SECOND AND MOTION TO AMEND.

I MOTION TO AMEND THAT -- STRIKE THE 20% ALLOCATION AND THAT
THIS IS -- THIS MOTION IS A GUIDELINE FOR STAFF FOR
PRE-APPROVAL AND BY NO MEANS, MEANS THAT THE CITY CRA IS
GOING TO APPROVE AT THESE RATES.
11:13:21AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IS THERE A SECOND?
11:13:24AM >> SECOND.
11:13:24AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, AMENDED
MOTION AND SECONDED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
I APOLOGIZE PUBLICLY.
I SHOULD HAVE LET YOU MAKE YOUR MOTION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
GREAT WORK.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU AND THE BRIEFING WE HAD YESTERDAY ON
THAT.
CRA ATTORNEY, MR. SHEPHARD, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY FROM
A LEGAL STANDPOINT REGARDING ANYTHING WE JUST DISCUSSED?
OKAY.
11:14:03AM >> WE CAN'T HEAR HIM IF HE'S TALKING.
11:14:06AM >>CLIFF SHEPARD:
I COULDN'T GET MYSELF -- NO, MA'AM.
IT WAS FASCINATING, BUT I'M GOOD.
11:14:13AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
CAN I GET AN APPROVAL FOR 7, 8, 9, 10?
11:14:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
7, 8, 9, 11.

11:14:19AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
FOR REQUIRED APPROVAL.
SECOND BY BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
THOSE APPROVALS CARRY.
WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO FIRST?
11:14:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MS. PARKS WASN'T FINISHED.
11:14:40AM >> FINISH THE PRESENTATION BECAUSE I WANT TO SHARE SOME
GREAT NEWS HERE.
I WANT TO DISCUSS THE CRA -- THE FIRST-EVER EAST TAMPA CRA
INFILL PROGRAM.
AGAIN, THE TAMPA CRA WILL BE SOLICITING PROPOSALS FROM
QUALIFIED DEVELOPERS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION, MARKETING, AND
SELLING OF SINGLE-FAMILY, ATTACHED SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED
HOMES ON INFILL LOTS WITHIN THE EAST TAMPA CRA.
AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LOTS STILL AVAILABLE.
I'M HOPING THAT THE PROPOSED RELEASE DATE NO LATER THAN
APRIL OF 2025.
RFP WILL INCLUDE 14 LOTS, DENSITY ALLOWS FOR UP TO 28 UNITS
FOR THAT.
THE PROGRAM IS INTENDED TO ELIMINATE SLUM AND BLIGHT BY
PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES FOR INCOME
ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS OR HOUSEHOLDS, AFFORDABLE HOUSING
OPPORTUNITIES CAN ATTRACT, AS YOU KNOW, NEW BUSINESSES,
INVESTMENTS IN RESIDENTS TO THE AREA SPARRING ECONOMIC

DEVELOPMENT AND REVITALIZATION.
RFP WILL PROVIDE TO HOUSEHOLDS AT 140% AMI AND UNDER.
THIS PROGRAM WILL HELP, AS YOU KNOW, TEACHERS, FIRST
RESPONDERS AND THE OVERALL WORKFORCE POPULATION.
SO THIS IS VERY EXCITING.
WE'VE HAD THESE LOTS AND NEED TO PUT THEM OUT.
I'M HOPING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT BY APRIL.
ANOTHER ITEM, I WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE APPROVAL OF
THE SUBSIDIES BECAUSE NOW BUSINESS IS OPEN ALONG WITH THAT,
ME AND MY STAFF WERE RUNNING INTO ISSUES AS IT CONCERNS THE
DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE FOR ALL AREAS, NOT JUST EAST TAMPA.
BEFORE THE PREVIOUS BOARD APPROVED THE EAST TAMPA DOWN
PAYMENT ASSISTANCE BY ITSELF.
I'M LOOKING FOR SOME TYPE OF MOTION OR APPROVAL TO ALIGN THE
TAMPA CRA HOUSING DIVISION WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA HOUSING
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT INTEGRATING THE HOUSING
REHAB PROGRAM DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE AND THE INFILL
DEVELOPMENT ACROSS ALL OF THE CRA DISTRICTS.
I DON'T HAVE THAT IN PLACE.
11:17:01AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
BOARD MEMBER HURTAK, FOLLOWED BY BOARD
MEMBER CLENDENIN.
11:17:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE ONLY THING YOU'RE ASKING FOR HERE IS TO
HAVE THE SAME CRITERIA -- SORRY, NOT THE SAME CRITERIA, THE
SAME --
11:17:16AM >> PROCESS.

11:17:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
PROCESS.
SO THAT IF SOMEONE CALLS IN AND WANTS HELP WITH HOMEOWNER
OCCUPIED REHAB, SOMEONE COULD TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND THEN
FEED IT TO EITHER REGULAR HOUSING OR CRA HOUSING.
11:17:33AM >> CORRECT.
THAT'S WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW.
WHEN A PERSON COMES IN FOR THE APPLICATIONS THAT CAME IN FOR
THE HRRP PROGRAM, WE ARE LOOKING AT, OF COURSE, THE ADDRESS
WHICH THEN DETERMINES THAT IT'S WITHIN THE CRA.
IF IT'S CITY, WE DO ROUTE TO THE HOUSING INDIVIDUALS AT THE
DEPARTMENT WHO DO THE REHAB WORK.
YES, IT'S JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN ALIGN WITH THOSE
PROGRAMS BECAUSE THOSE SYSTEMS ARE ALREADY IN PLACE.
HOUSING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING
WELL.
11:18:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND WHAT WE AREN'T DOING IS GIVING ANY EXTRA
-- WE AREN'T LETTING ANY OF THE CRA QUESTIONS, WE'RE NOT
GIVING THAT TO THE CITY.
WE'RE JUST ALIGNING IT SO WE'RE ASKING THE SAME QUESTIONS IN
EACH OF THESE THREE BUCKETS AND ONLY THESE THREE BUCKETS.
11:18:27AM >> YES.
11:18:29AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
CEDRIC McCRAY, INTERIM CRA DIRECTOR.
IF I COULD PROVIDE AN EXAMPLE, SO IN EAST TAMPA, WE HAVE A
RELATIONSHIP WITH HCD CURRENTLY THAT ALLOWS US TO STACK
FUNDS FOR DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE.

DEPENDING ON WHAT AMI THEY FALL IN THAT CATEGORY, WE CAN DO
UP TO $50,000.
HCD MAY BE 15 OR 30.
THEY ARE ABLE TO STACK THE DOLLARS AND WE HAVE THAT
RELATIONSHIP CURRENTLY IN EAST TAMPA, BUT WE NEEDED TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT ACROSS ALL THE CRA AREAS
THAT HAVE THOSE APPROVED PROGRAMS.
11:19:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO
REITERATE MY SUPPORT FOR, THE INFILL DEVELOPMENT, CREATION
OF THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, TALKED ABOUT IN VAGUE BECAUSE
OF REASONS THAT THE DIRECTOR SPOKE ABOUT, BUT I THINK
EXPANSION OF INFILL DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE COMMERCIAL
DISTRICTS IS VERY IMPORTANT SO THAT WE HAVE THESE HIGHER
DENSITY AREAS WE CAN HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AREAS AND
AMENITIES THAT PEOPLE WANT.
I REALLY SUPPORT THIS PROCESS.
I SUPPORT THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE.
SUPPORT INFILL DEVELOPMENT.
IF -- I MAKE A MOTION TO ALIGN TAMPA CRA HOUSING DIVISION
WITH HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT TO INCLUDE
THE PROGRAMS AND POLICIES AND PROCEDURES FOR HRRP, DPA AND
INFILL DEVELOPMENT.
11:19:52AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MOTION AND SECOND.
11:19:54AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I MAKE MAYBE AN AMENDMENT?
I THINK WE NEED TO MAINTAIN -- I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN

AMENDMENT THAT ANY CRA -- ANY CRA FUNDING OF PROJECTS WILL
BE SEPARATELY IDENTIFIED SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN SEE WHAT IS
CRA, WHAT IS CITY PROJECTS.
11:20:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
11:20:15AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ANY DISCUSSION?
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
THE MOTION CARRIES.
11:20:21AM >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
11:20:25AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU AND YOUR
DEPARTMENT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE TEAMWORK.
APPRECIATE THAT.
LET'S DISCUSS ITEM NUMBER 10, THE EAST TAMPA CAC
APPOINTMENTS FOR MS. WHITE AND MASS HALSALL.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, DID YOU WANT TO COMMENT FURTHER?
11:20:47AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I GOT FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT THE
ORIGINAL DESIGN WAS THAT SOME POSITIONS WERE ALLOCATED FOR
NEIGHBORHOODS AND THERE WERE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS THAT STAFF
TOLD ME DID NOT IMMEDIATELY RESPOND.
PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WANT US TO GIVE THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS
AN EXTRA 30 DAYS.
SO THEY ARE ASKING US JUST TO DELAY IT.
IF THE NEIGHBORHOODS DON'T RESPOND, THEN IT'S OPEN TO ANYONE
FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

SO WE CAN STILL CONSIDER -- WE'RE NOT ACCEPTING OR REJECTING
THE APPLICANTS, IT'S GIVING THE NEIGHBORHOODS ONE MORE
CHANCE TO RESPOND.
11:21:20AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MR. McCRAY, DID YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON
THIS?
I KNOW YOU ARE VERY MUCH APPRISED OF WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
11:21:25AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
YES.
WE'VE ADVERTISED AND SENT THE APPLICATIONS OUT TO THE
VARIOUS INDIVIDUALS.
AND WE STARTED RECRUITMENT BACK IN SOMETIME LATE SPRING,
EARLY SUMMER, TO THE VARIOUS NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WERE NEXT ON
THE LIST THAT YOU ALL APPROVED LAST YEAR.
A COUPLE OF NEIGHBORHOODS WERE NOT RESPONSIVE EITHER TO
PHONE CALLS AND/OR E-MAILS.
SO WE THEN IN THE MONTHS OF OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER, DECEMBER,
ACTUALLY WORKED WITH OUR CACs AND ADVERTISING, HEY, IF YOU
KNOW SOMEONE, BECAUSE THE WAY THINGS ARE WRITTEN, IF WE ARE
NOT GETTING RESPONSE FROM THOSE DESIGNATED NEIGHBORHOODS,
THEN THOSE POSITIONS GO AT-LARGE.
WE SOLICITED APPLICATIONS AND WE GOT BACK WHAT WE GOT BACK.
YOU ALL HAVE SEEN APPLICATIONS COME BEFORE YOU IN RECENT
MONTHS AND ALL OF THOSE FOLKS EITHER LIVE AND/OR WORK OR
HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN EAST TAMPA OR WEST TAMPA OR DREW
PARK, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
11:22:24AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I JUST WANT TO APOLOGIZE ON BEHALF OF THE

APPLICANT AND THE THREATENING, YOU KNOW, CALLS,
COMMUNICATION THAT WAS RECEIVED BY ONE OF OUR APPLICANTS.
THAT IS NOT HOW THIS PROCESS WORKS.
WE AS A BOARD DO NOT SUPPORT THAT.
I JUST WANT TO APOLOGIZE AND TO SAY THAT IF YOU WANT TO BE A
PART OF THIS AND YOU ARE APPROVED, THEN YOU ACTUALLY HAVE
OUR BLESSING THROUGH OUR APPROVAL.
SO WE DO NOT ENCOURAGE ANYONE TO BE PLACED IN A POSITION
WHERE THEY ARE UNCOMFORTABLE WANTING TO SUPPORT THEIR
COMMUNITY.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE --
11:23:00AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
I'LL TELL YOU WHY.
IF I HEARD CORRECTLY, THIS STARTED IN THE SUMMER OF '24.
IT'S BEEN THROUGH THE PROCESS AND IN OCTOBER, NOVEMBER,
WHENEVER IT WAS, WHAT MONTH, THESE ARE THE TWO AT THE END
THAT GOT SELECTED, AM I CORRECT?
11:23:19AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
CORRECT.
11:23:20AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANY MORE TIME.
11:23:23AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IS THERE A SECOND?
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION.

I APPRECIATE THAT.
11:23:35AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WAS GOING TO ASK, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU
WERE TALKING ABOUT A MINUTE AGO.
MAYBE YOU DON'T WANT TO SAY MORE.
11:23:41AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THE APPLICANT RECEIVED THREATENING
COMMUNICATION INDICATING THAT THEY SHOULD NOT SERVE.
I BELIEVE IT'S UNDER INVESTIGATION.
FROM AN INDIVIDUAL.
I CAN'T SAY WHO.
WE'VE HANDED THAT INFORMATION OVER, WHAT IS AVAILABLE, OVER
TO TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT TO DETERMINE WHERE THAT
COMMUNICATION CAME FROM.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO INDICATE PUBLICLY THAT WE DON'T SUPPORT
THAT, THREATS, BECAUSE SOMEONE WANTS TO SERVE THEIR
COMMUNITY EVEN IF SOMEONE ELSE FEELS DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THAT.
FILE NUMBER CRA 25-11191, THE WEST RIVERWALK PROJECT.
IT IS ON THE APPROVAL LIST, BUT WE DID PULL IT.
IT IS A $10 MILLION PROJECT.
ANY DISCUSSION?
I KNOW YOU PULLED IT.
YOU GET TO GO FIRST.
11:24:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T KNOW WHERE MS. SHARP WENT.
THERE SHE IS.
I WANTED TO START BY SAYING I KNOW THIS IS A $10 MILLION.
MR. McCRAY, IF I'M CORRECT, THEY ARE ASKING FOR

$3.3 MILLION OVER THREE YEARS.
11:25:09AM >>CEDRIC McCRAY:
THAT'S CORRECT.
11:25:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK THAT IS A GREAT PLACE TO START.
I DIDN'T QUITE GIVE THIS TO HER, BUT WE WENT AHEAD AND
PULLED THE BUDGET.
I WANT FOLKS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE APPROVING HERE.
ON THE BOARD, THIS THE BUDGET FOR WEST TAMPA.
THIS YEAR, THEY MADE $8.9 MILLION.
THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE BRINGING IN FOR FY '2025.
IF YOU TAKE $3.3 MILLION OFF OF THAT, YOU END UP WITH 5.6.
5.6 MILLION.
SO WHAT WE DID IS PULLED THE REQUEST
FOR ALL THE TYPES OF WORK THAT WEST TAMPA IS ASKING TO DO.
THIS IS THE CAC'S.
THESE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT THEY WANT TO DO.
SALCINES PARK IMPROVEMENT, $1.3 MILLION, RAY PARK
IMPROVEMENT, $4 MILLION, BUYING PROPERTY, STREET OPENING,
MOVES QUICK BUILD PROJECT, FLIP IT, PLEASE.
WE DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MUCH THE HISTORIC PROPERTY INVENTORY
STUDY IS GOING TO BE.
ALLEYWAY STUDY.
DECORATIVE GRADING.
HART STOP.
ARTS PROJECT, ADA PROGRAM.
YOU CAN SEE ON THE STATUS WHERE THEY ARE IN TERMS OF ON

TRACK VERSUS NOT STARTED.
THE LAST TWO.
MAIN STREET CORRIDOR STUDY AND THE GROUND MURALS.
SO TOTALING ALL OF THIS IS $7.6 MILLION, WHICH IS MUCH LESS
THAN THE $5.6 MILLION THAT THEY GOT THIS YEAR.
AND THAT'S NOT EVEN INCLUDING THESE BIG PROJECTS THEY WANT,
WHICH IS THE MAIN STREET CORRIDOR STUDY, GROUND MURALS.
IF YOU COULD PUT IT BACK WHERE WE HAVE THE YELLOW
HIGHLIGHTED.
THE FREMONT LINEAR PARK, A HUGE EXPENSE.
FLIP IT OVER.
THE HISTORIC PROPERTIES INVENTORY STUDY, WHICH IS VERY
IMPORTANT WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION FOR WEST TAMPA.
SO I'M JUST SAYING TAKING $3.3 MILLION OUT OF THIS BUDGET
FOR THREE YEARS WILL SET SOME OF THESE PROJECTS BACK, AND I
AM NOT OKAY WITH THAT.
I'M JUST GOING TO -- THESE ARE JUST NUMBERS AND WHY I DO NOT
SUPPORT TAKING $10 MILLION OUT OF A CRA THAT SIMPLY CANNOT
AFFORD IT.
THANK YOU.
11:27:35AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
BOARD MEMBER CARLSON.
11:27:36AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE'VE SEEN FOLKS LIKE MS. FENTON WHO CAME,
VERY WELL-RESPECTED LEADER IN WEST TAMPA WHO CAME IN DEFENSE
OF WEST TAMPA.
THIS WAS NOT STARTED AS A WEST TAMPA PROJECT.

ONLY AFTER THERE WAS OPPOSITION THAT IT SUDDENLY WAS
DISCUSSED AS A WEST TAMPA PROJECT OR WEST TAMPA AMENITY.
WHAT IT REALLY IS A VANITY PROJECT OF THE ADMINISTRATION.
EACH ADMINISTRATION HAS PROJECTS THAT THEY TAKE CREDIT FOR,
THAT THEY LOOK AT WHAT THEY DID, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.
BUT ALSO, THE PUBLIC KNOWS THAT THIS IS AN AMENITY FOR
DEVELOPERS WHO WANT TO DEVELOP A FEW SPOTS ALONG THE
RIVERWALK.
ALL THE OTHER STUFF, THE SIDEWALKS, THE BIKE LANES, ALL THAT
STUFF, ALL THAT IS PUT IN TO TRY TO GET POLITICAL SUPPORT
AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A WEST TAMPA PROJECT OR SO THAT IN
SOME MAILER IN THE FUTURE THEY CAN SAY, OH, WELL, SO AND SO
VOTED AGAINST THIS BECAUSE THEY DON'T SUPPORT WEST TAMPA.
WE OBVIOUSLY SUPPORT WEST TAMPA.
IT IS A CHOICE OF WHAT DO WE SUPPORT WEST TAMPA ON?
DO WE SUPPORT IT ON THE THINGS THAT THE CAC WANTS, WHICH IS
WHAT MY COLLEAGUE JUST SAID, OR DO WE PUT IT BASED ON WHAT A
FEW DEVELOPERS AND THE ADMINISTRATION WANT?
JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE DIDN'T SHOW UP TODAY FROM WEST TAMPA TO
ARGUE AGAINST IT, DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE NOT AGAINST IT.
WE'VE HAD SOME IN THE PAST.
BUT, FRANKLY, THEY ARE WORRIED BUS PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GO
AGAINST THE ADMINISTRATION, DON'T WANT TO GO AGAINST
DEVELOPERS.
THIS PROJECT IS NOT OVERALL A GOOD USE OF MONEY, BUT

ESPECIALLY NOT USING CRA MONEY.
WHEN YOU NET OUT THE FEDERAL SUBSIDY, IT'S SOMETHING LIKE
$30 MILLION, 25, $30 MILLION THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN.
26.
IT'S BEING BONDED.
AGAIN, I'VE TALKED TO SOME OTHER GOVERNMENTS IN THE STATE OF
FLORIDA, AND WE WERE SAYING BEFORE THAT 41% ON THE
ENTERPRISE FUND AND ON THE GENERAL FUND, BONDING IS OKAY.
OTHER CITIES AND COUNTIES THINK THAT'S A HORRIBLE ABUSE OF
POWER TO HAVE SO MUCH DEBT.
AND NOW WE'RE ADDING, ADDING, ADDING.
AT TODAY'S RATE, 26 MILLION MEANS $52 MILLION.
AND WHY WOULD WE SPEND $52 MILLION ON SOMETHING THAT IS NICE
TO HAVE THAT'S AN AMENITY?
IF THEY SEPARATE IT AND SAID WE WANT YOU TO PAY FOR BIKE
LANES AND OTHER THINGS WEST TAMPA, VOTE FOR IT.
BUT A RIVERWALK, WHICH SOME PARTIES DON'T WANT, I DON'T
SUPPORT THAT.
IN THE FUTURE, GREAT TO HAVE A RIVERWALK ON THE WEST SIDE.
RIGHT NOW ROADS ARE FALLING APART.
HAVEN'T DONE PROPER MAINTENANCE ON THE STORMWATER SYSTEM IN
IT LOOKS LIKE DECADES, EVEN THOUGH A NEW TAX WAS PASSED.
ALL KINDS OF MAJOR PROBLEMS THAT PEOPLE WANT.
IF WE HAVE SO MUCH MONEY, IF WE CAN BOND $26 MILLION, LET'S
BOND MONEY TO FIX THOSE PROBLEMS THAT PEOPLE WANT.

WHY ARE WE DOING SOMETHING JUST SO WE CAN ADD IT TO A VIDEO
IN TWO YEARS TO SAY LOOK AT WHAT WE ALL ACCOMPLISHED?
I'D RATHER BE ABLE TO TELL THE PUBLIC WHAT WE ACCOMPLISHED
WAS GETTING YOUR ROADS PAVED AND PROTECTING YOUR HOUSES FROM
GETTING FLOODED.
THANK YOU.
11:30:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
LET ME JUST SPEAK ON THIS FOR A SECOND.
YBOR CITY HAD THREE THINGS.
TUMBLEWEED, ALCOHOLIC, DRUG ADDICTS AND PROSTITUTION YEARS
BACK.
THAT'S BEEN SOMEWHAT FIXED.
GAMBLE BACK IN THE GRECO ADMINISTRATION BACK IN THE '90s.
CONVENTION CENTER WAS BUILT WITHOUT A CONVENTION HOTEL.
THAT WAS A SMART MOVE.
WE WERE LOSING FOUR TO FIVE MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
ON ANOTHER SMART MOVE, REAL SMART MOVE, MAYOR GRECO GOT THE
MARRIOTT WATERFRONT WITH THE SALESMANSHIP -- WASN'T EVEN THE
TOP 100 TO GET IT BUILT.
THAT BROUGHT ON WHAT?
INSPIRATION OF OTHER HOTELS.
GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE MARRIOTT, WE HAVE TO GO DISCOVER WHAT
TAMPA HAS.
SO THAT STARTED THE BUILDING OF OTHER HOTELS.
WOULDN'T HAVE HAD A FIVE-STAR HOTEL.
WE DO NOW.

LET'S GO FURTHER.
THE STRAZ CENTER.
VOTED DOWN BY THE PEOPLE, YET THAT MAYOR HAD THE FORTITUDE,
MAYOR MARTINEZ, TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO GET IT BUILT BECAUSE
WE NEED IT.
WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE CITY OF TAMPA.
IT'S NO LONGER CIGAR CITY.
IT'S NO LONGER SILVER BAR AND ALE LIKE USED TO BE IN YBOR
CITY THAT MADE ONE OF THE FINEST BEERS AROUND.
TAMPA IS NOT THE TAMPA THAT I GREW UP IN.
LET'S GO FURTHER, WHY DO WE HAVE VISIT TAMPA BAY?
THE JOB THAT THEY HAVE DONE IS SECOND TO NO ONE IN BRINGING
WHO?
PEOPLE WHO COME HERE BECAUSE IT IS SOLD AS A CONVENTION CITY
WITH THINGS TO DO WHEN YOU COME HERE.
WHY DID WE DO THAT?
WHY DID WE GIVE 50 MILLION THERE?
WHY DO WE NEED THE STREETCAR?
SPEND 11 MILLION BACK IN THE '90s.
LIKE I SAID EARLIER TODAY, YOU CAN'T BUILD STREETCAR FOR 11
MILLION FROM YBOR CITY MAYBE GO TWO BLOCKS AND YOU SPENT THE
11 MILLION.
WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT?
WHEN YOU COME FROM AN AREA THAT HAD LITTLE, NOT BECAUSE THEY
WANTED TO, BECAUSE YOU TOOK ABOUT 20%, 40%, 80% AMI, THEY

WERE ALL ON THE SAME LEVEL -- BROKE.
SO THEY HAD THE TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY.
A LOT OF DOCTORS CAME OUT OF THERE.
A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS CAME OUT OF THERE, AND ALONG THAT
PERIMETER WE ONLY HAD ONE PARK -- CUSCADEN PARK.
BOYS AND GIRLS.
THAT THING WAS RUN BY THE CITY.
THERE WAS NEVER A FIGHT THERE.
I FORGET JUDY'S LAST NAME, TENNIS, BEING A FANTASTIC TENNIS
PLAYER.
ONCE IN THE HALL OF FAME, TONY LaRUSSA.
IN FACT, TWO IN THE HALL OF FAME FROM THAT PARK.
THE OTHER IS AL LOPEZ.
NAME ME ANOTHER PARK THAT HAS TWO PEOPLE IN THE HALL OF FAME
IN BASEBALL.
WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT?
YOU'RE LOOKING AT HOPE.
HOPE HAS NO PRICE.
YOU'RE LOOKING RIGHT DOWN IN FRONT OF THE AREA THAT WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT.
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO?
FORGET THEM.
SAY HELL WITH YOU, LIVE THERE.
GO WALK IN THE RIVER DOWNTOWN.
THAT IS MORE THAN LIKELY THE LAST CONNECTION BETWEEN FROM

BALLAST POINT ALL THE WAY TO WEST TAMPA.
AND WE NEED SOMETHING FOR THOSE YOUNG PEOPLE TO WALK ON.
THEY CAN WALK ALL THE WAY AS FAR AS THEY WANT.
FIVE MILES NOW, I THINK, MAYBE SIX MILES BY THE TIME IT IS
FINISHED.
WHAT IS THAT WORTH?
WHAT IS GROWING UP AND NOT HAVING WHAT YOUR NEIGHBOR HAS,
SOMETIMES DISTURBING.
ME IT WASN'T.
I DIDN'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT HAVING ANYTHING.
I JUST WANT TO GO OUT AND WORK, DO MY THING AND DO IT RIGHT.
I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE IT IS THE LAST LINK TO
HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS BOTH IN WEST TAMPA AND IN TAMPA HEIGHTS
THAT THEY CAN SEE AND FEEL SOMETHING AND NOT GET LEFT OUT.
THERE IS A VALUE TO CERTAIN THINGS IN LIFE THAT MONEY CAN'T
BUY, AND THAT'S HOPE, YOU WANT TO GET OUT, LEAVE AND HAVE
THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE IS DOING.
YOU SEE IT AND WANT IT.
YOU JUST CAN'T GET IT.
THERE IS A RAILROAD TRACK THAT RUNS IN EVERY CITY OF AMERICA
ONE THING IN COMMON.
YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS?
NO NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE SAME.
EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT MIs IN IT, BUT SOME DON'T HAVE ANY.
THAT'S WONDERFUL.

I AGREE WITH ALL THAT.
SO WHY ARE WE GOING TO SIT HERE, SAY I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE
AGAINST THIS, BECAUSE IT'S TOO MUCH MONEY.
WHAT DOES IT COST TO HAVE SOMEBODY IN JAIL?
POSSIBILITY COULD EXIST THIS IS A BREAKING POINT TO HAVE
SOMEBODY GET INSPIRATION TO STAY IN SCHOOL, TO DO THEIR
DUTIES.
MY PARENTS NEVER WENT TO SCHOOL.
WENT TO THIRD GRADE.
MORE THAN LIKELY HOLD THE RECORD GETTING EXPELLED IN MY
FIRST YEAR OF SCHOOL ONLY BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW ENGLISH.
GIVE SOMEBODY A HAND UP OR A PUSH DOWN, MY VOTE IS FOR A
HAND UP.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
11:36:38AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
BOARD MEMBER CLENDENIN AND THEN I'LL MAKE
MY COMMENTS.
11:36:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL START BY SAYING AND QUOTE OUR CHAIR
BECAUSE I'VE HEARD HER SAY THIS ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS, WEST
TAMPA DESERVES THIS.
WE INVEST IN MANY AREAS OF THE CITY AND SOME AREAS THAT WE
DON'T.
PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA, I THINK COUNCILMAN MIRANDA
KIND OF ECHOED THAT IN HIS REMARKS.
PART OF THIS I THINK IS A NOMENCLATURE ISSUE.
SOME OF THE OPPOSITION I HEAR, THIS TITLE, THE WEST

RIVERWALK MULTIMODAL NETWORK CONSTRUCTION.
EVERYBODY LOOKS AT THE CURRENT RIVERWALK AND IT'S KIND OF
FANCY AND WHOLE BUNCH OF BELLS AND WHISTLE.
WHAT I'M SEEING IN THE RIVERWALK IS LESS BELLS AND WHISTLE
AND MORE OF THE MIXED MODAL TRANSPORTATION NETWORK.
WE'RE CREATING A LINEAR PARK AND SIDEWALK THAT GIVES PEOPLE
IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AND ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS AN
OPPORTUNITY TO SAFELY TRANSIT THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AND A
PLACE FOR KIDS TO GO AND WALK AND RIDE THEIR BIKES.
I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A VITAL ELEMENT IN THESE
NEIGHBORHOODS.
YES, IT'S GOING TO PROVIDE SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR CONSTRUCTION
OF HOUSES.
YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU LOOK IN DUNEDIN AND THEIR TRAIL SYSTEM
AND YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE AMENITIES BUILT AROUND THESE
THINGS.
THAT WILL INCREASE TIF.
GETTING LOST IN THE DISCUSSION IS HOW MUCH THE CITY OF TAMPA
IS NOT PAYING FOR, THAT WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF OUTSIDE MONEY
TO DO THIS.
I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
I THINK WE HAVE A STOP A LOT OF THE BONDING CONVERSATION,
BUT THIS ONE, IT IS RELATIVELY, AGAIN, I KEEP LOOKING AT
WHAT THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT, QUALITY OF LIFE, AS WELL AS
WHAT IS ACTUALLY FISCALLY COMING BACK INTO THE COFFERS.

I THINK THE BALANCE ON THIS PROJECT IS THERE.
I THINK IT'S JUSTIFIABLE.
I SEE THE VALUE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I SEE THE VALUE FOR THE CITY.
THE BEST TIME TO DO PROJECTS IS NOW.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES WE LOOK BACK AND WE SAY HOW MUCH
THE STREETCAR COST IN YEAR WHATEVER IT WAS WE BUILT THAT,
CHARLIE.
IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE BETTER THAN TODAY.
IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE CHEAPER THAN TODAY, EVEN THOUGH THE
INTEREST RATES ARE HIGHER, IT'S NEVER -- WE CAN ALWAYS
REFINANCE IF INTEREST RATES COME DOWN.
BUT NEVER CHEAPER THAN TODAY.
THE BEST TIME TO DO ALL OF THESE THINGS IS TODAY.
TEN YEARS FROM NOW, PEOPLE LOOK BACK AND SAY, HOW COME YOU
DIDN'T DO THAT TEN YEARS AGO?
HOW COME THAT COUNCIL OR CRA BOARD DIDN'T DO THIS?
WELL, TODAY IS THE DAY AND I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS.
11:39:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHEN ALL THE COMMENTS WERE DONE, I WOULD
MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE ITEM 6.
AFTER THE COMMENTS.
11:39:31AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IT'S DISTRICT 5.
I CAN'T BE SILENT.
FOUR OF US WENT TO THE THAN MEETING LAST WEEK.
IT COMPRISED OF LEADERS OF THE COMMUNITY.

INTERESTING ENOUGH, ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WAS VERY VOCAL
ABOUT THIS BEING A VANITY PROJECT SAID SOMETHING AT THAT
PARTICULAR MEETING WHICH WAS VERY INTERESTING.
SHE SAID I'M NOT THAN.
YOU ALL ARE THAN.
WE REPRESENT WHAT YOU WANT.
LET ME TELL YOU WHAT WEST TAMPA WANTS.
THE CAC IS COMPRISED OF NINE NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND THEIR BOARD VOTED 8-2 THAT THEY WANT THIS.
I'LL JUST KEEP IT AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
7.6 MILLION THAT BOARD MEMBER HURTAK PUT ON THE SCREEN IS
NOT ALL AT ONE TIME.
IT'S OVER A PERIOD OF TIME.
SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS THEY ARE ON TIME, THEY ARE ON
SCHEDULE, BUT NOT BEING SPENT ALL IN ONE YEAR SO WE ARE NOT
OVER BUDGET IN THAT CAPACITY.
THERE IS OTHER FUNDING THAT IS SUPPORTING THIS.
VISION ZERO, IF YOU GO TO VISION ZERO AND YOU TAKE A LOOK,
THE MISSION IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
IT IS TO ELIMINATE ALL ROADWAY DEATHS, LIFE-ALTERING
INJURIES, WHILE ALSO INCREASING SAFETY, HEALTH, AND
EQUITABLE MOBILITY.
I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THIS.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS ON MY CAMPAIGN, A CONVERSATION I
HAD ON MY CAMPAIGN.

THE 4.5-MILE BAYSHORE, I WENT TO THAT PROBABLY FOR THE FIRST
TIME WHEN I WAS IN MY 20s.
I DIDN'T EVEN THINK THAT I HAD THE RIGHT TO EVEN BE ON THAT
STREET, A STREET WHERE MY SISTER HAD TO COUNT THE CRACKS IN
THE SIDEWALK BECAUSE THE CITY CARES ABOUT THAT STREET SO
MUCH THAT 4.5-MILE STRIP THAT I DIDN'T EVEN THINK I HAD
ACCESS TO.
I KNOW THAT I HAVE ACCESS TO WEST TAMPA.
I'M SURE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE FEEL THE SAME WAY.
IT IS ACCESSIBLE.
THE PUBLIC ACCESS TO WEST TAMPA IS A REALITY FOR PEOPLE,
WHEREAS, I BET YOU RIGHT NOW IF YOU DID A SURVEY AND ASKED
SOME TEENAGERS THAT LOOK LIKE ME, HAVE THEY EVER WALKED
BAYSHORE, THEY PROBABLY WOULD TELL YOU NO, BUT I BET YOU
THEY WOULD WALK WEST TAMPA AND I BET YOU THEY WOULD TAKE
THEIR GRANDMAMAS.
NEVERTHELESS, SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
NOW I WANT TO ADDRESS THE WORD VANITY.
IF YOU GO ON THE CALENDAR FOR THE ARTS MUSEUM AND FOR STRAZ,
IT IS FULL.
THEY ARE BUSY.
THEY ARE REALLY BUSY WITHOUT THE CONSTRUCTION.
AND WE GAVE THEM $50 MILLION.
THAT IS VANITY.
THIS IS INFRASTRUCTURE, PERIOD.

I THINK THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY.
I COULD GO ON AND ON, BUT MR. CHAIR, MR. VIERA, YOU WANT TO
MAKE A COMMENT AND YOU WANT TO MOVE A MOTION.
11:42:28AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
I'M GLAD I CAME BACK IN TIME FOR THIS.
I WASN'T ABLE TO LISTEN TO ALL THE COMMENTS AND EVERYTHING.
WE DISCUSSED THIS A FEW TIMES.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA LAST TIME BEGAN TO BRING UP THE OBVIOUS.
SOMETIMES THE OBVIOUS IS RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF YOU AND YOU
DON'T SEE IT.
THE OBVIOUS IS, THIS IS WEST TAMPA.
THIS IS A WEST TAMPA THING.
A PART OF TAMPA THAT IS, IN MY OPINION, IGNORED, THAT IS
VERY, VERY, FILLED WITH EVERYDAY WORKING FAMILIES, WORKING
CLASS FAMILIES.
GREAT LEGACY, GREAT HISTORY, ET CETERA.
I DON'T KNOW, SOMEBODY TALKED ABOUT IN PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT
CRA BEING FOR BLIGHT, SLUM AND BLIGHT.
THIS HELPS THAT.
THIS HELPS THAT.
BOARD CHAIR HENDERSON MENTIONED $50 MILLION ON OTHER
PROJECTS, THE STRAZ CENTER AND THE MUSEUM OF ART, I DIDN'T
VOTE FOR THE SECOND HALF MUSEUM OF ART OR STRAZ CENTER
ENTIRELY, THAT, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, DOESN'T GO TO BLIGHT.
THAT WAS THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT BLIGHT AND THE MISSION OF

THE CRA.
THIS IN MY OPINION DOES.
THIS IS A REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT INVESTMENT IN OUR CITY.
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN BROUGHT UP THE IDEA OR THE FACT THAT A
LOT OF THIS, WE'RE NOT DIRECTLY PAYING FOR.
THE DISPOSITIVE ISSUE ON THE TABLE IS WHETHER OR NOT WE
ACCEPT MONEY FROM THE WEST TAMPA CRA FOR THIS PROJECT THAT
CAN ONLY BE SPENT IN WEST TAMPA, RIGHT?
NEVER BEEN ANY DISCUSSION NOR SHOULD THERE BE ON ENDING THE
WEST TAMPA CRA OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE TO HELP WITH THAT.
$24 MILLION FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, HARD FOUGHT FOR
MONEY.
I'M NOT GOING TO -- SAY THIS AS WHATEVER, NOT TO BE TAKEN
LITERALLY.
WRITE A $24 MILLION CHECK BACK TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
AFTER WE'VE SPENT A MILLION DOLLARS ALREADY ON DESIGN AND
THIS THING IS MOVING FORWARD IN WEST TAMPA WHICH HAS BEEN
IGNORED IN SO MANY WAYS FOR SO LONG IS GOING TO BE LOOKING
FORWARD TO IT AND EVERYTHING.
THE IDEA THAT WE'RE GOING TO SAY THIS PROJECT, WE'RE GOING
TO PUT IT UP AGAINST OTHER CITY OF TAMPA PRIORITIES,
EITHER-OR, I DISAGREE WITH THAT HUNDRED PERCENT.
I DO.
WE CAN WALK AND CHEW GUM AS A CITY, AS A BIG CITY.
WE'RE A BIG CITY.

WE CAN DEAL WITH OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, PARTICULARLY WHEN 60%
ROUGHLY IS GOING TO BE PAID FOR BY THE CRA AND BY THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH THE POTENTIAL OF ANOTHER FOUR TO
EIGHT MILLION DOLLARS ADDITION.
POTENTIAL OF THAT.
FOR US TO SAY NO TO THAT AND WE'LL LET GO, TRANSFORMING
PROJECT TO A PART OF TAMPA THAT'S BEEN IGNORED, IT WOULD BE
IN MY OPINION MISGUIDED.
I KNOW SOME OF THE FOLKS, COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE BONDING ISSUE.
TOTALLY WELL TAKEN.
SECOND TIME I SAID IT TODAY.
THINGS IN LIFE BLACK AND WHITE.
THERE'S GRAY.
THIS HAS SOME GRAY IN IT, OBVIOUSLY.
THOSE POINTS ARE VERY, VERY WELL TAKEN.
I THINK AGAIN THE GOOD VASTLY OUTWEIGHS THE BAD ON THIS.
AGAIN, FOR SOME OF THE ARGUMENTS BEING USED, THOSE ARE
ARGUMENTS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN USED PARTICULARLY ON THE
BLIGHT ISSUE THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO WHEN WE SPENT A TON OF
MONEY ON OTHER PROJECTS, THIS ACTUALLY IN MY OPINION GOES TO
WHAT CRA SHOULD BE DOING, THIS $10 MILLION.
SO THAT'S WHY I'LL BE VOTING FOR THIS.
AGAIN, THIS IS A REAL WIN FOR TAMPA BROUGHT INITIALLY IN
PART BY THE HARD WORK OF THE CITY OF TAMPA WORKING WITH THE

FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, CONGRESS WOMAN CASTOR, I THINK THIS IS
GREAT.
GLAD TO VOTE FOR IT.
11:45:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE ITEM 6.
11:45:58AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
11:45:59AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ROLL CALL VOTE.
BOARD MEMBER HURTAK.
11:46:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR OUR LAWYER.
11:46:07AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MR. SHEPHARD.
ATTORNEY SHEPHARD, ARE YOU ON THE CALL?
11:46:13AM >>CLIFF SHEPARD:
OKAY.
NOW I AM UNMUTED.
I CAN'T APPARENTLY UNMUTE MYSELF.
I TRIED.
11:46:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
THE STATE STATUTE 163.370, SUBSECTION 3, SUBSECTION B
BASICALLY STATES THAT INSTALLATION, CONSTRUCTION,
RECONSTRUCTION, REPAIR AND ALTERATION OF ANY PUBLICLY OWNED
CAPITAL IMPROVED PROJECT IF SUCH PROJECTS OR IMPROVEMENTS
WERE SCHEDULED TO BE INSTALLED, CONSTRUCTED, RECONSTRUCTED,
REPAIRED OR ALTERED WITHIN THREE YEARS OF THE APPROVAL OF
THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN BY THE GOVERNING BODY,
BASICALLY IT SAYS THAT WITH -- MY QUESTION TO YOU, AND I
SENT THIS TO YOU IN E-MAIL, WAS FROM MY UNDERSTANDING WAS
THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS IN THE C.I.P. AND HAS BEEN THERE FOR

THREE YEARS OR FOR MORE THAN THREE YEARS, WE CAN'T USE CRA
FUNDING ON IT.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY TO THAT?
11:47:15AM >>CLIFF SHEPARD:
I RESPONDED BECAUSE I WANTED TO GO BACK AND
LOOK AT THE STATUTE, AND ALSO THERE WERE DETAILS THAT I DID
NOT KNOW.
I HAVE AN E-MAIL, WHICH, BY THE WAY, I'LL BE HAPPY TO SHARE
WITH WHOMEVER WANTS TO GET A COPY OF IT.
I'LL CUT TO THE CHASE.
I'M GOING OFF THE FOLLOWING FACTS BECAUSE I THINK THESE ARE
THE ONES THAT ARE RELEVANT.
WEST TAMPA CRA PLAN WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY IN 2015, WEST
RIVERWALK PROJECT DIDN'T EXIST UNTIL SOMETIME I THINK IN
2019, MEANING IT WAS NOT IN THE CITY'S C.I.P. IN THE THREE
YEARS PRIOR TO APPROVAL OF THE WEST TAMPA CRA PLAN.
AND THEN THE WEST RIVERWALK PROJECT STILL IN THE C.I.P. IN
2024.
IF YOU READ THE CURRENT STATUTE, WHAT IT SAYS IS, AND THIS
IS -- 63.3703, THE FOLLOWING PROJECTS MAY NOT BE PAID FOR OR
FINANCED BY INCREMENT REVENUES.
B SAYS INSTALLATION, CONSTRUCTION, REPAIR OR ALTERATION OF
ANY PUBLICLY OWNED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS OR PROJECTS IF SUCH
PROJECTS OR IMPROVEMENTS WERE SCHEDULED TO BE INSTALLED,
CONSTRUCTED, RECONSTRUCTED, REPAIRED, ALTERED, THIS IS THE
KEY, WITHIN THREE YEARS OF APPROVAL OF THE COMMUNITY

REDEVELOPMENT PLAN BY THE GOVERNING BODY PURSUANT TO A
PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PUBLIC CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT OR PROJECT
SCHEDULE OR PLAN.
BECAUSE THE C.I.P. EXCLUSION ONLY APPLIES TO PROJECTS THAT
WERE IN THE C.I.P., QUOTE, WITHIN THREE YEARS OF APPROVAL OF
THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND BECAUSE THAT CONDITION
IS NOT PRESENT UNDER WHAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING HERE, THIS
EXCLUSION DOES NOT APPLY TO THE FACTS AS I UNDERSTAND THEM.
ANY OF THE FACTS ARE WRONG, THEN THE ANALYSIS COULD BE
DIFFERENT.
BUT THOSE ARE THE FACTS I WAS PROVIDED BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE
ANY OF THEM SO I HAD TO GO OUT AND GET THEM.
THOSE FACTS ARE CORRECT, THIS IS AN OKAY EXPENDITURE.
11:49:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE TALKED ABOUT
THAT BECAUSE THIS WAS BROUGHT UP A COUPLE OF TIMES.
THANK YOU.
11:49:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO APPROVE 6.
11:49:29AM >> SECOND.
11:49:29AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
11:49:33AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:49:34AM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
11:49:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
11:49:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
11:49:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:49:40AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

11:49:40AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
11:49:42AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIES WITH CARLSON AND HURTAK VOTING
NO.
WE HAVE NEW BUSINESS, BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA.
11:49:50AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO, MA'AM, NONE.
11:49:52AM >>LUIS VIERA:
NO, MA'AM.
11:49:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO, MA'AM.
11:49:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO.
11:49:56AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
HURTAK?
11:50:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
11:50:01AM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
11:50:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
11:50:04AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I HAVE ONE.
I HAVE A MOTION -- CAN I MAKE A MOTION FOR A COMMENDATION
DURING CRA?
I CAN'T.
THAT'S TONIGHT.
OKAY.
THAT'S TONIGHT.
I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION TO APPROVE THE TAMPA COMMUNITY
REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY HOUSING SUBSIDY MATRIX IN THE AGREED
UPON AMOUNTS DETERMINED BY THE CRA BOARD AS OF JANUARY 16,
2025.
11:50:31AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY CHAIRWOMAN HENDERSON,
SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO.

ANY DISCUSSION?
11:50:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M CONFUSED.
HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE DONE?
11:50:42AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE ALREADY DID IT.
DARLENE, WHY ARE YOU HANDING ME THIS?
WE'VE ALREADY DONE IT.
WE GOT IT.
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
11:51:00AM >> SECOND.
11:51:01AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
11:51:04AM >> AYE.
11:51:04AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MEETING ADJOURNED.

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