TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOPS SPECIAL CALL SESSION
TUESDAY, JANUARY 28, 2025, 9:00 A.M.

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09:01:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP
MEETING TO ORDER.
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
09:02:05AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
09:02:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
09:02:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
09:02:14AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PRESENT.
09:02:16AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
09:02:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
09:02:19AM >>CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:02:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. SHELBY, DO YOU WANT TO GO OVER THE
PUBLIC COMMENT?
09:02:24AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
PUBLIC COMMENT.
THIS IS A SPECIALLY CALLED WORKSHOP TODAY ON JANUARY 28.
IT IS A TUESDAY.
AND TO REMIND COUNCIL THAT PUBLIC COMMENTS WILL BE LIMITED
TO THE SUBJECT OF THE SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP.
THAT IS PER COUNCIL'S RULES.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL ONCE FOR
THREE MINUTES AFTER PRESENTATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE.
NO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AT WORKSHOPS PER COUNCIL'S REVISED
RULES AT THE START OF A WORKSHOP MEETING.
THANK YOU.
09:03:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE SIX ITEMS HERE ON THIS -- ON THIS
WORKSHOP AGENDA.
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
09:03:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE TO LEAVE COUNCIL CHAMBERS FIVE
MINUTES TO 11:00.
I CAN BE BACK IF -- IF THIS WORKSHOP IS CONTINUING
INTO THE AFTERNOON.
BUT ITEM NUMBER 3 IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN ON THE AGENDA
FOR QUITE SOME TIME THAT I HAD PLACED ON IT.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT
DISCUSSION.
SO IF WE CAN MOVE THAT FORWARD JUST IN CASE WE RUN OUT OF
TIME, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
09:03:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU NEED TO LEAVE BY 10:50.
I THINK WE WILL GET THERE.
WE WILL TAKE IT UP CLOSER TO THAT TIME.
09:03:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU JUST NEVER KNOW.
09:03:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PER OUR RULES.
WE WANT TO FINISH WORKSHOPS BY 1:00.
A VERY LONG NIGHT MEETING TONIGHT.
START WITH ITEM NUMBER 1.
WHO IS GOING TO KICK IT OFF?
THE ADMINISTRATION, LEGAL STAFF AND THE BOARD OF REALTORS TO
DISCUSS WAYS TO GO AFTER THE SELLERS INSTEAD OF BUYERS THAT
ARE CITED FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR ISSUES CREATED BY THE
SELLERS.
09:04:12AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR, CAN I MAKE A POINT OF ORDER REAL
FAST.
NOT ABOUT ANY OF THESE PARTICULAR PRESENTATIONS, BUT I HAVE
NOTICED RECENTLY IN -- IN STAFF PRESENTATIONS, YOU KNOW, OUR
RULES SAY WHILE THE STAFF REPRESENTING -- WE ARE NOT ALLOWED
TO INTERRUPT THEM AND ASK QUESTIONS AND DISPUTE WHAT THEY
SAY.
BUT LATELY WHEN I HAVE BEEN MAKING STATEMENTS, STAFF HAS
INTERRUPTED ME.
AND THEY HAVE -- THEY HAVE COME FORWARD TO MAKE STATEMENTS.
AND WHEN I PUSH BACK AND SAID I AM ONLY ASKING A QUESTION.
THEN OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL SAY I WILL LIKE TO HAVE
YOU GO AHEAD AND SPEAK.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD MAKE THIS AN OFFICIAL RULE OR NOT,
PROVIDING THE STAFF OF THE COURTESY OF NOT INTERRUPTING
THEM.
I APPRECIATE IF YOU WOULD HIT THE GAVEL IF STAFF INTERRUPTS
US, BECAUSE IT -- MANY TIMES I WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT.
I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK AND FORTH WITH STAFF.
I HEARD WHAT THEY HAD TO STAY.
I WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT.
THAT'S IT.
IF SOMEONE ELSE WANTS TO ASK A QUESTION.
I PUT THAT OUT THERE AS A STATEMENT.
09:05:12AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE I COME FROM --
AND I AM NOT DISAGREEING WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
WHAT WORKS FOR US SHOULD WORK FOR THEM.
THEY SHOULDN'T INTERRUPT US, AND WE SHOULDN'T INTERRUPT THEM.
WHAT A GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD FOR THE GANDER WHAT THEY
SAY IN YBOR CITY.
09:05:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
09:05:32AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I WANT TO HEAR BOTH SIDES AND THAT IS
IMPORTANT.
SOMETIMES INTERVENING WITH A QUESTION IS DIFFERENT THAN
INTERRUPTING, BUT I WANT TO HEAR BOTH SIDES AND THAT IS WHAT
IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
THE RULE IS NOT SPECIFIC ABOUT -- ABOUT WHEN WE DO IT,
CORRECT?
09:05:48AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
LET ME READ TO COUNCIL RULE 4-G OF
PARLIAMENTARY POLICIES.
COUNCILMEMBERS SHALL NOT INTERRUPT A STAFF PRESENTATION AND
INSTEAD NOTE THE QUESTION OR COMMENT AND HOLD IT UNTIL
RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR DURING Q&A.
STAFF SHOULD INCLUDE NATURAL STARTING POINT FOR Q&A DURING
PRESENTATIONS.
09:06:09AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
NATURAL STOPPING POINTS.
NOT AN INTERRUPTION
09:06:12AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHAT YOUR RULE STATES.
YOU ALSO HAVE RULES ABOUT -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU INTEND TO
HAVE A TIMER SET TODAY.
YOU HAVE RULES OF HOW LONG COUNCILMEMBERS CAN SPEAK FOR
FIRST ROUND AND OFF RULE THAT SAYS EVERYBODY HAS A CHANCE TO
SPEAK BEFORE SECOND ROUND.
AND THEN YOU HAVE TIMING FOR THE SECOND ROUND AS WELL.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW COUNCIL INTENDS TO DO IT.
09:06:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE WILL HAVE THE TIMER ON.
KEEP IT ORGANIZED.
YES, SIR?
09:06:35AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MY POINT IS EXACTLY THAT.
WE -- IN OUR RULES, WE PROVIDE PROPER RESPECT FOR STAFF AND
I WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO DO THE SAME THING.
I DON'T WANT TO BE INTERRUPTED AND QUESTIONED WHEN I AM
MAKING A STATEMENT.
I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A STATEMENT.
IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO ASK A QUESTION, THEY CAN.
BUT I APPRECIATE THE CHAIR -- WE CAN MAKE A RULE ABOUT IT
LATER BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR THE CHAIR TO HELP HIT THE GAVEL
IF STAFF DECIDES TO HAVE AN ARGUMENT.
AN ARGUMENT -- IF I AM MAKING A STATEMENT I AM NOT ASKING
QUESTIONS, I EXPECT THEM TO GIVE ME THE SAME PRIVILEGE THAT
I GIVE THEM.
09:07:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL KICK IT OFF WITH ITEM NUMBER 1.
GOOD MORNING, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
09:07:11AM >>JC HUDGISON:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, JC HUDGISON, CHIEF
BUILDING OFFICIAL.
THIS ITEM FOR ADMINISTRATION TO REACH OUT TO THE BOARD OF
REALTORS TO DISCUSS WAYS TO GO AFTER SELLERS INSTEAD OF
BUYERS.
THERE WAS A MEMO FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THAT WAS
PROVIDED.
KIND OF DRAWING THAT LINE THAT ONCE IT PASSED THAT, IT
BECOMES MORE OF A CIVIL ISSUE.
BUT IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, MORE OF THE WORK ON
CONSTRUCTION ON PRIVATE PROPERTY HAS MOVED FROM CODE
ENFORCEMENT OVER TO CONSTRUCTION SERVICES.
SO WE ARE ABLE TO KIND OF SEE ALL THE DIFFERENT PIECES AND
PARTS OF ONE OF THE THINGS WE THOUGHT WAS IMPORTANT WAS TO
EDUCATE.
WHAT WE DID IS WE WENT TO GTAR.
WE WENT TO THEIR OFFICES ON JANUARY 14.
WE HAD A THREE-HOUR SEMINAR.
WE HAD 45, 50 REALTORS PRESENT.
AND WE WENT OVER HOW TO SEARCH A PERMIT.
HOW TO SEEK THIS INFORMATION.
HOW TO HAVE AN EXPIRED PERMIT OR AFTER-THE-FACT PERMIT.
THEY ARE BETTER EDUCATED BECAUSE THAT IS WHO THE CITIZENS
ARE SEEING.
IF THEY ARE TRYING TO BUY OR SELL A PROPERTY, THE REALTOR IS
THE FRONT LINE BEFORE THEY SEE US UNFORTUNATELY ON THE
ENFORCEMENT SIDE.
WE HAD A THREE-HOUR SESSION.
WE DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE THAT LONG.
TWO HOURS.
AND A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND BACK AND FORTH AND ENDED UP BEING
A THREE-HOUR SESSION AND GO OVER INFORMATION, PROVIDE THAT
EDUCATION, PROVIDE AN E-MAIL.
EVEN IF THEY HAVE A QUESTION.
THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHO IN THE CITY TO CONTACT QUESTION OF
CONSTRUCTION AND PERMITTING.
A SNAPSHOT FOR E-MAILS AND CONSTRUCTION SERVICES TO REACH
OUT FOR PERMITTING ISSUES, HOW TO RESOLVE VIOLATIONS A
ANYTHING ELSE.
WE HAVE JACOB RENEL FROM GTAR THAT WAS PART OF THIS -- THE
SEMINAR.
AND WE CAN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
09:09:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, THIS WAS YOUR
MOTION.
09:09:04AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WOULD LIKE -- FOR CLARITY SAKE.
THERE IS CERTAINLY A LOT OF TOUCH AND GOES, AND GOES AND
TOUCH, BUT WHEN YOU BUY A HOUSE FROM A REALTOR THAT HE IS
RENTING TO THE SELLER.
AND I AM TRYING TO COVER ALL BASES SO THAT NOBODY GETS SUED
ON BOTH SIDES.
AND -- AND SO I OWN THE HOUSE.
AND 15 YEARS AGO, I ADDED A CARPORT AND CLOSED IT.
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE, A GARAGE ATTACHED TO THE
HOUSE WITHOUT A PERMIT.
OR PERMIT CAN'T BE FOUND.
I SELL IT TO YOU.
BUT YOU ARE NOT AWARE THAT I DID THAT.
THE REALTOR IS NOT AWARE THAT I DID THAT.
WHY?
THERE IS NO -- EVEN YOU GO SEE AN ATTORNEY AND HE GOES
THROUGH THE WHOLE FILE AND THEY CHECK ALL THE RECORDS IN THE
COURTHOUSE.
AND THERE IS NO CHANGE IN THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF THAT
PROPERTY.
IT IS THE SAME AS IT WAS BEFORE I FIXED IT AND AFTER I FIXED
IT.
SO THEN YOU BUY THE UNIT.
YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF IT.
YOU TURN IT -- HE OR SHE DID THEIR DUE DILIGENCE.
THEY CHECK THE RECORDS ALL IN THE COURTHOUSE.
THERE IS NO LIEN.
NO PERMIT.
NO NOTHING.
NOW, SIR, YOU BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.
AND YOU SAY, OH, I BOUGHT A NICE HOUSE.
I PAID EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS WORTH AND THE REALTOR
DID A GREAT JOB.
ALL OF A SUDDEN THE CITY COMES -- [KNOCKING]
-- I'M HERE TO DO YOU A FAVOR.
WHAT IS THE FAVOR?
THE FAVOR IS, YOU VIOLATED THE LAW.
WHAT LAW DID I VIOLATE?
WELL, THE PREVIOUS OWNER, THE -- THE PREVIOUS OWNER DID ALL
OF THIS WITHOUT A CONTRACT AND NOW THEY WANT YOU TO FIX IT.
PUT IT BACK TO WHERE IT WAS.
WELL, YOU WEREN'T EVEN IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA WHEN IT
HAPPENED.
AND THEY WILL PUT IF ON YOUR SHOULDER I THINK THAT IS THE
WRONG WAY OF DOING BUSINESS.
YOU SHOULD NEVER DO THAT.
IN ANY INSTANCE.
HOLD ME OR SOMEBODY ELSE LIBEL FOR AN ACCIDENT I WASN'T EVEN
IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA WHEN IT HAPPENED.
IT IS THE SAME THING ON A DIFFERENT VENUE.
WHAT A I AM TRYING TO DO OR COUNCIL IS TRYING TO DO POSSIBLY
IS TO CHANGE THAT SO THAT THE RIGHT PERSON WHO DID IT -- MAY
NOT BE THE RIGHT FERN BECAUSE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN TWO OR THREE
TIMES PRIOR.
WHERE DO YOU GO WITH IT?
I TELL YOU WHERE YOU GO WITH IT.
AT THE TIME I AM NOT SAYING THAT THE REALTOR SHOULD DO THIS.
WHOEVER IS SELLING THE HOUSE TO GET YOU OFF THE HOOK, THE
BUYER OFF THE HOOK.
AND THE SELLER IS THE ONE WHO DID IT BY SAYING THAT HE OR
SHE DID NOT ALTER THE HOUSE.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT SOMEBODY PRIOR TO HIM DIDN'T DO IT.
SO WHAT HAPPENS NOW?
I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT WE ARE DOING A MEDIOCRE JOB IN
REPORTING ALL THESE CODE ENFORCEMENTS IN THE COURTHOUSE WHAT
WAS DONE IN CHANGING THE HOUSE.
HOW DO WE FIX THAT OR DO WE FIX IT AT ALL?
I DON'T KNOW.
I AM ASKING FOR HELP BECAUSE I DON'T WANT -- I DON'T WANT TO
PUT SOMEBODY IN JAIL IF HE OR SHE DIDN'T DO THE CRIME.
AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE DOING.
DON'T HAVE A JAIL TIME, BUT YOU ARE BEING SERVED AND YOU
KNOW HOW NERVOUS IT MUST BE WHEN YOU ARE A NOVICE.
YOU BOUGHT YOUR FIRST HOUSE, LET'S SAY.
AND YOU ARE HAPPY AND YOUR HUSBAND IS HAPPY, YOUR WIFE IS
HAPPY, AND KIDS ARE HAPPY, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN -- [KNOCKING]
-- I'M HERE TO HELP YOU.
YOU HAVE NOT KNOCKED DOWN THE SCREENED PORCH BECAUSE WASN'T
THERE TEN YEARS AGO.
HOW IS THAT FAIR?
09:13:11AM >>JC HUDGISON:
WHEN WE SPOKE TO THE REALTORS, ONE OF THE THINGS
-- THERE IS A NEW STATE LAW.
IDEALLY, IF THE PROJECT HAS BEEN UNDISTURBED FOR OVER SIX
YEARS, IT CAN BE ADMINISTRATIVELY CLOSED.
09:13:22AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHAT?
09:13:24AM >>JC HUDGISON:
ADMINISTRATIVELY CLOSED.
WORK WAS DONE PREVIOUS BUYER OR CURRENT BUYER, IF THAT PORCH
ADDITION HAS BEEN THERE FOR MORE THAN SIX YEARS.
WE SEE IT IS NOT FALLING APART OR OTHER ISSUE, WE CAN CLOSE
THE VIOLATION.
IDEALLY, THAT DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY BACK, BUT AT LEAST
ANYTHING SIX YEARS AND OLDER, THOSE CASES ARE BEING CLOSED.
09:13:44AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHAT HAPPENS TO SOMEBODY WHO IS WITHIN
THE SIX YEARS?
09:13:50AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
CAN I JUMP IN FOR A MINUTE.
09:13:52AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WILL TAKE TWO FOR ONE.
09:13:54AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ABBYE FEELEY, ADMINISTRATOR.
WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THE NUMBER ONE GOAL IS COMPLIANCE
AND IN THE SCENARIO YOU JUST GAVE IN THE CAR.
FOR THE SCENARIO.
LET'S SAY THE CARPORT WAS NOT BUILT RIGHT AND WE WENT
THROUGH TWO HURRICANES AND THAT CAR.
PORT BLOWS OFF AND SMACKS INTO SOMEONE ELSE'S HOUSE.
IT IS REALLY A PRIVATE PROPERTY MATTER BETWEEN THE BUYER AND
THE SELLER.
BUT IF THE CITY KNOWS THAT SOMETHING WAS NOT PERMITTED
PROPERLY, WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO BRING THEM INTO
COMPLIANCE.
OUR GOAL IS NOT TO SEND THEM TO JAIL OR TO PUT THEM UNDER
VIOLATION.
AND WE DON'T GO OUT AND SEEK THOSE TO SAY, OH, YOU BUILT
THAT WITHOUT A PERMIT.
IF IT COMES IN AND YOU HAVE DONE SOMETHING ELSE AND IT COMES
TO OUR ATTENTION, WE WILL WORK WITH THE NEW HOMEOWNER TO TRY
TO HELP THEM TO GET THAT PERMITTED, RIGHT.
TO ENSURE THAT IT CAN MEET THE WIND LOAD AND AFFIXED TO THE
HOUSE.
SOME PEOPLE DO THIS, AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IT WE HAD TWO
HURRICANES IN THE PAST SIX MONTHS.
UNFORTUNATELY, THOSE STRUCTURES ARE NOT SAFE.
I HAD PEOPLE COME IN AND REMOVED LOAD-BEARING WALLS AND I
DON'T WANT TO PUT SOMEONE IN THAT HOUSE KNOWING THAT THAT
ROOF COULD FALL AND KILL SOMEONE.
SO WE TRY TO REALLY WORK AND GET COMPLIANCE WHETHER THEY ARE
THE ONES WHO DID IT OR NOT.
ULTIMATELY FOR THEM TO HAVE A SAFE HOME OR A SAFE BUSINESS.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT, THEY MAY NEED TO GO BACK ON THE
SELLER.
BUT WE CAN'T -- IF WE KNOW IT IS NOT PERMITTED PROPERLY.
WE NEED TO WORK WITH THEM TO ENSURE IT IS.
09:15:25AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, BUT I
DO NOT AGREE WITH IT.
SIX TIMES IS A TIME IN HISTORY ONLY.
NOT IN A TIME SOMEBODY DID SOMETHING.
YOU ARE STILL -- THE ONE YOU ARE GOING AFTER IS THE ONE WHO
PURCHASES THE HOUSE, THE BUYER, NOT THE SELLER.
THE SELLER MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN BECAUSE TWO OR THREE
SALES BEFORE THAT THAT SOMEBODY DID IT.
WHAT I AM SAYING IS, THERE IS A WAY YOU CAN LOOK AT IT, BUT
EVIDENTLY, WE DON'T DO THAT.
ONLY TIME OF SALE -- CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, PLEASE.
AT TIME OF SALE IS ONLY WHEN YOU COMPARE FROM THE PROPERTY
APPRAISER'S OFFICE, THE VIDEO OF THE SATELLITE WHERE THE
PRESENT HOUSE.
SEE IF THEY MATCH.
DON'T YOU?
09:16:07AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE TIME
OF SALE.
09:16:10AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HOW DO YOU KNOW IF THE GARAGE WAS BUILT
OR NOT BUILT?
09:16:16AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
IF THEY COME IN AND WANT TO CONVERT THE
GARAGE TO LIVING SPACE AND WE SEE THAT THE GARAGE WAS NEVER
PERMITTED, WE WOULD KNOW THEN.
WE DON'T LOOK AT ANYTHING AT TIME OF SALE.
09:16:26AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MAYBE WE SHOULD.
SATELLITES THAT GO ALL OVER THIS CITY THAT LOOK AT THOSE
THINGS.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE ARE TWO OR THREE INDIVIDUALS
THAT I KNOW OF THAT HAVE BEEN ALERTED ON IT.
THAT IS WHAT STARTED THE WHOLE THING.
THAT THEY HAVE BEEN PUNISHED FOR BUYING A HOUSE THAT
SOMEBODY ELSE MADE.
LIKE ME GOING TO JAIL FOR MY COUSIN ROBBING THE BANK.
IT DOESN'T WORK.
YES, MA'AM.
09:16:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
09:16:54AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:16:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GOOD MORNING.
09:16:58AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
I PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED A MEMO -- I
PROVIDED A MEMO I PROVIDED PREVIOUSLY WHEN THIS MOTION WAS
INITIALLY MADE BY COUNCIL MIRANDA.
NOTHING IN MY MEMO HAS CHANGED.
EVERYTHING IS STILL THE SAME.
I WANT TO ENCOURAGE CITY COUNCIL THAT CITY STAFF IS NOT
AWARE AND DOES NOT BECOME AWARE WHEN A CONTRACT IS ENTERED
INTO PRIVATE BETWEEN TWO PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS FOR THE MUCH
FROM AND SALE OF A PROPERTY.
WHAT THE BUILDING OFFICIAL JC HUDGISON'S STAFF IS TASKED
WITH IS ENFORCING THE CODE AND NOT WORK -- TRYING TO FIGURE
OUT WHEN A PROPERTY SELLS OR -- WHEN A PROPERTY IS UP FOR
SALE.
SO SINCE MR. JC HUDGISON'S STAFF AND KEITH O'CONNOR'S STAFF
ARE TASKED WITH ENFORCING OUR CODE.
WHEN THEY ARE AWARE OF THE VIOLATION, THEIR TASK IS TO CITE
THAT PROPERTY OWNER.
AS STATED IN MY MEMO ACCORDING TO FLORIDA STATUTE, IF CODE
ENFORCEMENT SPECIAL MAGISTRATE DETERMINES THERE IS IN FACT A
VIOLATION OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE, THAT LIEN IS FILED ON
THE PROPERTY THAT IS IN VIOLATION OF THE CODE.
THAT IS THE PURPOSE AND THE DIRECTION GIVEN BY FLORIDA
STATUTE.
IT IS NOT THE DIRECTION OF OUR LEGISLATURE TO GO FIGURE OUT
WHEN A PROPERTY IS FOR SALE, WHO SOLD IT, WHEN IT WAS SOLD,
WHO DID WORK, ETC.
IT IS THE BURDEN ON THE PROPERTY OWNER TO BRING THAT
PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE.
THE ISSUE OR THE DISCUSSION OR THE CONCERN BETWEEN THE
SELLER NOT DISCLOSING THAT INFORMATION TO THE BUYER.
THAT IS A PRIVATE MATTER.
THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED BETWEEN THE SELLER AND THE BUYER, NOT
WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA.
BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ENFORCING A CONTRACT.
WE ARE ENFORCING THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE.
AS MR. JC HUDGISON SAID, THE INFORMATION THAT MR. JC
HUDGISON GAVE DURING THE WORKSHOP WITH THE BOARD OF REALTORS
WAS VERY INFORMATIVE AND THE REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE IF YOU
WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM HIM TO GET HIS PERSPECTIVE OF HOW
THE WORKSHOP PROVIDED GUIDANCE TO THE REALTORS.
09:19:08AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WILL HOLD UNTIL LATER.
09:19:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE GENTLEMAN, IF HE WANTS TO COME UP.
GOOD MORNING, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
09:19:15AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
JACOB BRENELL, DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS AT GREATER
TAMPA, AS WELL AS PINELLAS REALTORS.
I JUST -- FIRST OFF, I WANT TO THANK JC FOR THE PRESENTATION
HE DID AND STAFF THE OTHER WEEK AT THE ASSOCIATION.
WE HAD OVER 100 PEOPLE REGISTERED WHO ARE MEMBERS.
TURNS OUT TO BEEN 45, 50.
WE WISH WE GOT THE REST THERE, BUT IT WAS REALLY
INFORMATIVE.
DID GO A LITTLE LONGER THAN EXPECTED BUT A LOT OF GREAT
QUESTIONS.
A LOT OF ANSWERS THAT REALTORS NEEDED TO HEAR.
YOU KNOW, THESE LAWS CAN BE VERY COMPLEX.
I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY OR A LEGAL PROFESSIONAL, BUT THERE IS A
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EDUCATING NOT ONLY OUR MEMBERS BUT ALSO
DOING CONSUMER OUTREACH.
YOU KNOW, IF A REALTOR IS NOT INFORMED OF ALL THESE
PRACTICES AND LAWS, THEN THERE IS NO WAY FOR THEM TO, YOU
KNOW, GAIN EXPERIENCE AND ALSO PROFESSIONALLY MANAGE THEIR
JOB.
SO WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING CITY STAFF HAS DONE FOR US.
WE HOPE THAT THERE IS MORE TO COME.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 28,000 MEMBERS.
WE HAVE A LOT OF MEMBERS, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER PROFESSIONAL,
YOU KNOW, BUSINESS.
IT'S HARD TO MANAGE.
WE GOT A LOT THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME.
A LOT THAT ARE JUST STARTING OFF NEW.
SO THEY NEED TO KNOW THIS INFORMATION.
ALSO, NOT A LEGAL ATTORNEY OR EXPERT, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT IS
ALL MANAGED BY STATE LAW, AS WELL AS THE REALTOR CODE OF
ETHICS IN TERMS OF THE SELLER AND BUYER CONTRACT.
AGAIN, THE SELLER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR AT THE TIME OF SALE
INSPECTION.
AND THAT IS WHAT IS SO IMPORTANT BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, SIGNING
THAT CONTRACT WITH THE PROPER REALTOR.
THEY CAN GUIDE NEW THIS MANNER.
THEY SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDING VERY PROFESSIONAL AND
EXPERIENCED INSPECTORS TO GET THAT CLEARED.
AND ALSO ADDRESS MAYBE SOME INTERNAL CONFLICTS ORDER ROARS
ON THE SELLER'S POINT OF VIEW.
AGAIN, THE ONLY -- THE ONLY THING THAT THE SELLER IS
REQUIRED TO DO IS TO -- AND THEY CAN DO IT VERBALLY.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT -- TO REQUEST EVERYTHING IN
WRITING IS TO DISCLOSE ANY OPEN PERMITS AT THE TIME OF SALE.
THAT WAY CODE ENFORCEMENT CAN ADDRESS THE SELLER AS PREVIOUS
OWNER AND THEN WORK WITH THE BUYER TO CLOSE THOSE PERMITS.
09:21:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:21:52AM >> YOU ARE WELCOME.
HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
09:21:54AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I UNDERSTAND.
09:21:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IF NOTHING FURTHER.
SIR, ARE YOU PART OF THIS MOTION OF THE BOARD OF REALTORS?
09:22:04AM >> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT NONCONFORMING USES --
09:22:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
HOW ARE YOU PART OF THE MOTION?
HOW WERE YOU PART OF THE MOTION ASSOCIATION AND BOARD OF
REALTORS.
RESERVE YOUR TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
LET'S WAIT FOR PUBLIC.
09:22:22AM >> THANKS.
09:22:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NOTHING ELSE, OPEN IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT
OFFICIALLY.
PLEASE COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME.
SORRY.
I JUST WANT TO GO BY THE RULES.
09:22:32AM >> THAT'S FINE.
I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES --
09:22:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
09:22:37AM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
09:22:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, SIR.
09:22:41AM >> ONE OF THE ISSUES ON NONCONFORMING USES THAT IS SLIGHTLY
DIFFERENT THAN PERMITTING -- IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY.
BUT WHEN PEOPLE ARE BUYING PROPERTIES THAT ARE REGISTERED
AND THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE IS HAVING TWO UNITS OR
THREE UNITS THAT WERE BUILT SOME TIME BETWEEN 1956 AND 1987.
THE CITY CODE REQUIRES YOU TO PROVE THAT THE NONCONFORMANCY
EXISTED PRIOR TO 1956.
THE CODE CHANGE IN 1987 THAT CREATED THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS
OF NONCONFORMANCIES.
SO YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT A NONCONFORMANCY EXISTED PRIOR TO
THE FACT THAT IT EXISTED.
IF IT DIDN'T EXIST IN 1956, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PROVE IT
WHEN THE CODE CHANGED IN '87?
WE TALKED TO STAFF ABOUT THIS.
AND I BELIEVE THEY WILL ADDRESS THIS IN THE CODE UPDATE, BUT
YOU HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES GOING ON HERE.
THE DIRECTORY IS USED AS A VERIFICATION OF THE EXISTING USE.
THE POPE DIRECTLY IS SPOTTY.
THE CITY RECORDS ARE SPOTTY.
ANYTHING GOING BEFORE '897 WHEN THEY CREATED THE
NONCONFORMANCIES ARE DIFFICULT TO PROVE.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PROVE IT?
IT DIDN'T EXIST.
SO ANYWAY, I AM JUST -- I NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW YOU
APPROACH THE NONCONFORMANCIES.
ABBY SAID IN STATE LAW IF YOU PROVE IT WITHIN SIX YEARS, YOU
CAN DISMISS THE CASE.
PROPERTIES ARE BEING CITED FOR NONCONFORMANCIES THAT WERE
CREATED AT 1987.
AND YOU CAN'T PROVE IT EXISTED IN 1956.
09:24:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYONE ELSE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
YES, MA'AM, COME ON UP.
09:24:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GOOD MORNING, MA'AM.
STATE YOUR NAME.
09:24:43AM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
SOUNDS GOOD ON PAPER TO HAVE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES TO DO
SOMETHING.
BUT REALITY IS, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO DO IT.
IF BY CHANCE -- A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, WE HAD A SU-1 COME
IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS FOR A PETITION FOR REVIEW BECAUSE TWO
YOUNG LADIES WHO ARE MARRIED PURCHASED A PROPERTY.
THEY FOUND OUT AFTER THE FACT THAT THE ACCESSORY DWELLING
UNIT WAS NEVER PERMITTED.
THAT HOUSE HAD NEVER BEEN SOLD BEFORE.
NOT ACCORDING TO MLS.
ACELA STARTED IN 2005 AND PRIOR TO ACELA TO DO THE RESEARCH
ON THAT.
NOW WHAT RAMIFICATIONS DO THEY HAVE?
IF THE SELLER WAS STILL ALIVE AND ASSUMING THAT THE SELLER
PASSED AWAY.
AND IF THE SELLER WAS STILL ALIVE, THEY COULD TAKE BACK TO
COURT FOR NOT DISCLOSING THAT.
THAT IS WHAT THE RAMIFICATIONS ARE.
IF THE SELLER WAS PASSED, THERE IS NOT A WHOLE HECK OF A LOT
THEY CAN DO.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, THAT THE CITY CANNOT MEDIATE BETWEEN
THOSE TWO.
AND I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY AND I DON'T PLAY ONE AT CITY
COUNCIL, BUT I DO KNOW THAT IF YOU DON'T DISCLOSE STUFF IN
YOUR SELLER'S ITEM IF YOUR CHILDREN -- THEY CAN WALL STREET
THERE NEVER LIVED THERE.
DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
ON THE DISCLOSURE FORM.
IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO DISCLOSE IT, NOT A WHOLE HECK OF A LOT
TO DO.
IF THE BUYER BUY IT IS AND SAYS NEVER LIVED ON THE PROPERTY
-- OF COURSE, I PERSONALLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT AS A
LANDLORD.
AS A LANDLORD, I KNOW BETTER WHAT I DID TO MY RENTAL
PROPERTIES BECAUSE I HAVE I HAVE TO PRODUCE IT FOR TAX
RECORDS.
THEY CAN'T GO INTO EVERY SINGLE LIFE.
I AM SORRY IF DO YOU SOMETHING.
AND IT IS LIKE BUYING A CAR
AND BUYER BEWARE.
AND IT HAPPENS SOMETIMES.
I DON'T THINK IT HAPPENS OFTEN, BECAUSE WE SEE IT COME IN
HERE WHEN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT TURNS IT DOWN
BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT MAKE THAT DECISION.
YOU GUYS HAVE TO MAKE IT.
AND CRIES THE BLUES BECAUSE WE ARE BEING HELD RESPONSIBLE
FOR SOMETHING.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE BACK GROUND OF THE PEOPLE WHO KEPT COMING
IN HERE CRYING ABOUT IT, AN INTERESTING TALE THAT
THEY WEAVE.
09:27:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, SINCE THIS IS YOUR MOTION.
09:27:25AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO BOTH SIDES BUT I
TALKED TO THE YOUNG LADY, NOT MICHELINI, NOT MISS POYNOR,
EVERYBODY WHO WORKS FOR THE CITY AND EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE
AUDIENCE.
I AM STICKING WITH MY SAYING I AM NOT BLAMING THE CITY.
BUT THE PROCESS SOMEBODY AND THE ATTORNEY AND CHECK A YOU
WILL THE WORDS.
AND NOTHING RECORDED THERE.
AND WHEN WE USED TO HAVE A LOT OF SWALES AND PROPERTY.
AND I BUY THE HOUSE, AND WE HAVE THE SWALE.
SOMEBODY ELSE THAT I SELL IT TOO.
THEY WANT TO PLANT PLANTS WHERE THE SWALES.
YOU NEVER CATCH THEM BECAUSE NEVER RECORDED AND THE TIME OF
PASSING THE ZONING, WE PUT THAT AND NEVER RECORDED AND NEVER
WENT TO THE COURTHOUSE AND THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED.
THAT IS THE SAME THING.
YOU GO FOR ONE AND YOU GO FOR THE OTHER.
BUT WE STAY BACK AND BLAME SOMEBODY ELSE.
THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING.
LAW IS THE LAW.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IS IT RIGHT OR WRONG.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS UNTIL THE COWS COME BACK TO PASTOR
WHEN THERE IS NO GRASS TO EAT.
THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING.
WE ARE BLAMING SOMEBODY FOR DOING SOMETHING TO A BUILDING
THEY NEVER TOUCHED.
IS THAT RIGHT?
THAT'S IT.
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
09:29:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:29:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK MY COLLEAGUE MIRANDA FOR BRINGING
THIS UP PAUSE I THINK IT IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.
WE HAD CASE WHERE IS PEOPLE SAID THEY DIDN'T KNOW, AND
FILING A LAWSUIT IS VERY EXPENSIVE.
I WISH THERE WAS SOME KIND OF OTHER SOLUTION.
CAN I ASK THE PERSON WHO IS A REALTOR REAL FAST A COUPLE OF
QUESTIONS.
JUST FOR EVERYBODY WATCHING CURIOUS OF BUYING A HOUSE.
HOW CAN THEY BE PROTECTED.
YOU SAID MAYBE A REALTOR WOULD HAVE KNOWLEDGE.
BUT WOULD.
RESPONSIBILITY OF THE TITLE INSURANCE COMPANY OR INSPECTOR
TO LOOK AT THE BUILDING PIECES PERMITTED WITH AN ADU THAT IS
THE NOT PERMITTED, AND WHERE WILL THE BUYER EXPECT TO FIND
THAT INFORMATION.
09:29:59AM >> THE BUYER WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR RESEARCHING THOSE
INSPECTIONS AND DETAILS.
09:30:09AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHICH EXPERT SO THE BUYER WOULDN'T BE
KNOWLEDGEABLE OF DOING IT.
WHICH OF THE PROFESSIONALS THE WHO WOULD BE THE EXPERT WHO
WILL FIND IT FOR THEM.
09:30:18AM >> THE BUYER CAN HIRE THE REALTOR AND GO THROUGH
RECOMMENDATIONS OR DO RESEARCH ON THEIR OWN.
09:30:30AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE INSPECTORS I HAD BEFORE LOOK FOR LEAKS
AND OLD WIRING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THEY DON'T LOOK TO SEE WHETHER IT IS PERMITTED.
SOMETHING THAT THE INSPECTOR WOULD TYPICALLY DO, LOOK TO SEE
IF EVERYTHING IS PERMITTED CORRECTLY?
09:30:44AM >>JC HUDGISON:
IF YOU ARE THE BUYER OR THE REALTOR, YOU
SHOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE SELLER DISCLOSE THINK OPEN PERMITS
ON THE PROPERTY.
NOW THEY CAN DO THIS VERBALLY BY RESPONSE.
SO IT IS IMPORTANT TO GET EVERYTHING IN WRITING THAT YOU
CAN, BUT, AGAIN, IT IS NOT REQUIRED TO THAT IN WRITING THAT
THERE ARE CURRENTLY OPEN PERMITS ON THE PROPERTY.
09:31:03AM >>BILL CARLSON:
FROM AN INDUSTRY PERSPECTIVE, SOME OF THE
OTHER RULES THAT THE MARKET HAVE THAT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE,
OR ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE PROTECTIONS ARE, THERE.
09:31:15AM >> REALTORS ARE -- THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE CODE OF ETHICS.
THERE IS ABOUT 17 AND 18 ARTICLES IN THERE.
AND I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, LIST THOSE OFF BY MEMORY BUT THEY
ABIDE BY THAT.
DPR IS WHERE THE LICENSE FALLS.
AND A LOCAL REALTOR ASSOCIATION LEVEL, IF THERE IS ANY
PROBLEM BETWEEN TWO REALTORS DURING A SALE, AFTER THE SALE,
THEY CAN BRING IT TO THE PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS COMMITTEE.
AND THEY CAN ADDRESS IT TO SEE IF IT NEEDS TO MOVE FORWARD
WITH GRIEVANCE.
09:31:51AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I -- MISS FEELEY, IF YOU WANT TO WAY IN.
CAN YOU ANSWER THE SAME QUESTION.
IF SOMEBODY -- IF A BUYER IS BUYING A PROPERTY, SINCE THE
BUYER IS NOT A PROFESSIONAL, WHICH PROFESSIONAL DO THEY LOOK
TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS PERMITTED.
09:32:11AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I CAN'T ADVISE ON THAT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO
ADD WHEN WE PRESENTED TO THE REALTORS AND ONE THING WE
SHOWED EVERYONE AND ONE THING WE ARE WORKING ON HOW WITH MR.
HENRIQUEZ IS LINKING THE PERMITTING SYSTEM TO THE PROPERTY
RECORD.
BUT YOU WALK INTO A HOME.
AND I THINK WE PRESENTED THIS A WEEK BEFORE LAST.
IF YOU WALK INTO A HOME AND IT SAYS NEWLY RENOVATED.
BRAND-NEW ROOF.
NEW GAME ROOM.
WHATEVER IT SAYS IN THE WRITE-UP, YOU CAN GO ON TO OUR
SYSTEM AND POP THAT ADDRESS ON HERE AND SEE WAS THAT ROOF
PERMITTED.
WAS THAT -- WAS THE GAME ROOM OR THE ADDITION PERMITTED.
ALL OF THAT IS IN.
OPINION ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PUT THE ADDRESS IN THE FRONT
PAGE OF ACELA AND IT WILL SHOW YOU PERMIT FROM 2005 FORWARD.
09:32:58AM >>BILL CARLSON:
GET ACELA FROM GOING TO THE CITY WEB SITE?
09:33:02AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YES.
09:33:03AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE LAST QUESTION.
YOU MENTIONED THE PROPERTY APPRAISER.
A LAYOUT OF PROPERTIES THERE.
AND LET'S SAY THEY LOOK AT THE LAYOUT, AND THERE IS AN ADU
ON THE PROPERTY, THE GRANDMA SUITE OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO
CALL IT, IT IS NOT IN THAT LAYOUT.
IS THAT LAYOUT ACCURATE TO PERMITTING OR NOT.
IF THEY SEE SOMETHING IS NOT THERE, A POINT FOR THEM TO ASK
A QUESTION.
09:33:27AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
SORRY, JUST WANTED TO LET YOU FINISH.
IN RELATION TO WHAT THE PROPERTY APPRAISER HAS, THAT IS WHAT
YOU ARE BEING TASKED FOR.
NOT NECESSARILY MEANING THAT IT IS PERMITTED.
09:33:40AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ACELA IS THE BEST IF.
09:33:44AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ACELA IS THE BEST RESOURCE.
YOU CAN TAP IN AND A LINK THAT WILL TAKE YOU RIGHT TO THE
PROPERTY, TO THE PERMIT RECORD FOR THAT PROPERTY.
AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING WITH MR.
HENRIQUEZ ON TO HAVE THAT IN BOTH SYSTEMS SO IF YOU DON'T
NECESSARILY KNOW TO GO TO ACELA.
IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT WHAT IS BEING TAXED AND YOU SEE
THE ADU, YOU CAN CLICK ON THE PERMIT AND SEE IF THAT WAS --
ESPECIALLY IF IT IS NEWER.
IF IT IS OLDER LIKE IN HYDE PARK, A LOT OF THOSE HAVE BEEN
THERE FOREVER.
SO THOSE ARE GRANDFATHERED LEGALLY ESTABLISHED IN 1921.
AND WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION TOO.
09:34:26AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
09:34:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HURTAK.
09:34:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
MISS FEELEY, THIS GOES ALONG WITH THIS, BUT JUST A QUICK
QUESTION.
SO IF -- IF A PROPERTY WAS ILLEGALLY MODIFIED WITHOUT --
DONE WITHOUT PERMITS.
SO THERE IS AN EXISTING HOME, A GARAGE TURNED INTO AN ADU
WITHOUT PERMITS.
AND THEN AFTER THE FACT, WHEN BOTH PLACES ARE BEING RENTED,
BOTH THE MAIN HOUSE AND THE NEW ADU IS BEING RENTED OUT.
DOES THE CITY HAVE ANY RECOURSE TO -- TO STOP PEOPLE FROM
LIVING IN THERE?
09:35:12AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YES.
I BELIEVE WE DO, IF IT DOESN'T MEET BUILDING CODE OR IF IT
IS A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE.
THEN WE CAN VACATE OR ASK THAT IT IS VACATED YOU JUST
MENTIONED.
TRYING TO LISTEN TO YOUR SCENARIO, YOU MENTIONED A COUPLE OF
THINGS.
RIGHT NOW OUR CODE IN RELATION TO THE UNIT, ONE HAS TO BE
OWNER-OCCUPIED.
09:35:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CORRECT.
09:35:38AM >> SHOULDN'T BE TWO RENTERS.
IF THAT WAS THE CASE, SITE THE PROPERTY OPENER ON A ZONING
VIOLATION BECAUSE THE CODE REQUIRES THAT ONE OF THE UNITS IS
OWNER-OCCUPIED.
IN RELATION TO THE CONSTRUCTION, IF -- WHEN -- WHEN A GARAGE
IS ILLEGALLY CONVERTED, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE A DWELLING, THAT
DWELLING HAS TO HAVE AN EXTERNAL ENTRANCE SO THAT THE FIRE
DEPARTMENT CAN GET TO YOU.
SO IF IT IS A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE IN THAT WAY, THERE IS NO
WINDOW.
NO WAY FOR US TO RESCUE SOMEBODY WHO IS IN HERE WE WOULD GO
OUT AND PUT IT UNDER VIOLATION FOR THAT IN A SEPARATE SENSE.
09:36:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND I APPRECIATE BOTH THOSE.
I WAS REALLY TALKING OF THE FIRST ONE.
THAT IS AN ISSUE WE ARE SEEING -- THAT I KNOW MR. MIRANDA
HAS SEEN A LOT TOO, IS THAT THERE ARE TWO -- TWO HABITABLE
SPACES ON A PROPERTY.
AND ONE OF THEM ISN'T BEING INHABITED BY THE OWNER.
WHAT -- WHAT ABILITY DO WE HAVE TO STOP THAT?
TO BASICALLY SAY, NO, YOU CAN'T -- I MEAN, OTHER THAN FINING
THEM, HOW DO WE STOP THAT?
09:36:43AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I DON'T -- I MEAN WE WOULD -- WE WOULD HAVE
TO CITE THEM AND PUT THE PROPERTY OWNER ON NOTICE.
THAT IS THE PROCESS FOR COMES TO OUR ATTENTION AND TWO
RENTERS WE WOULD HAVE TO PURSUE THAT.
RIGHT NOW DON'T HAVE A LOG OF ALL THE ADUs.
WE KNOW THE EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCE BECAUSE REQUIRES A
FAMILY MEMBER.
BUT IN TERMS OF THE ADUs, THAT IS PART OF THE PROCESSES ONCE
THOSE THINGS ARE DISCOVERED, THEY WILL GO UNDER CITATION.
09:37:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IS THAT DAILY CITATION?
09:37:28AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
WORKS THROUGH THE PROCESS.
30 DAYS TO RECTIFY AND PROVE TO THE CITY THAT THE OWNER IS
ONE OF THE TWO UNITS.
IF THEY CAN NOT, IT WILL BE SCHEDULED TO GO TO THE
MAGISTRATE AND PLEAD THEIR CASE AT THAT TIME.
AND THEN I THINK THEY GET ADDITIONAL TIME TO COMPLY.
BUT THEN ONCE THAT -- THAT PERIOD FOR COMPLIANCE EXPIRES
THAT IS WHEN A POTENTIAL FINE WILL GO INTO EFFECT.
09:37:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
09:37:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I FIND IS INTERESTING OF THE PROPERTY
APPRAISER SITE.
I WOULD HAVE TO THINK THERE IS A PLETHORA OF THESE TYPE OF
SITUATIONS AROUND THE CITY OF TAMPA.
YOU GO TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S WEB SITE AND YOU SEE THE
SQUARE FOOTAGE IS ACCURATE TO WHAT IS AIR CONDITIONING
SPACE.
AND THAT PERSON IS PAYING TAXES ON THAT SQUARE FOOT.
SO JUST ASSUME EVERYTHING IS COPACETIC AND EVERYTHING IS IN
COMPLIANCE BECAUSE WHO TO OTHER THAN THE GEEKS IN ROOM TO GO
TO ACELA.
NOBODY.
LITERALLY NOBODY.
IF SOMEONE IS OUT THERE, AND THEY ARE LIVING IN A HOME LIKE
IN A FLORIDA ROOM OR A CARPORT IS NOW LIVING SPACE REFLECTS
THAT ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER.
HOW DOES THAT PERSON GET INTO COMPLIANCE SOME FUTURE OWNER
AND SALE, THEY WON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.
LET'S SAY THEY HAVE IT -- A PORTION OF THE HOUSE THAT WAS
NOT PERMITTED OR THEY SUSPECT MAYBE NOT PERMITTED BECAUSE --
I THINK FLORIDA ROOMS IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE IN FLORIDA.
PEOPLE OVER TIME HAVE -- YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY WANT
AIR-CONDITIONED -- AT SOME POINT JALOUSIE WINDOWS AND
AIR-CONDITIONED SPACE.
HOW DO YOU RETROACTIVELY FIX THAT WHEN EVERYTHING HAS BEEN
DONE OR MAY HAVE BEEN DONE FOR 20 YEARS?
09:39:12AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I THINK A LOT OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
IF YOU ARE SHOWING ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER AS APPROVED.
SOME PERMIT WENT THROUGH.
I AM AWARE OF SOMEONE IN ST. PETE, THEY CONVERTED THEIR
GARAGE YEARS AGO.
NOW THEY WERE FLOODED AS PART OF THE STORM.
THEY ARE GOING IN TO PULL PERMITS TO FIX THE MESSY OF THE
HOUSE.
AND IT IS COMING OUT THAT THE GARAGE WAS NEVER PERMITTED.
AND THEY ARE HAVING TO RECONCILE THAT.
I THINK THAT IS WHERE PART OF WHAT JC IS SAYING, WITHIN THAT
SIX YEARS.
BUT TYPICALLY, THE -- STILL SHOWS ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER
AS UNCONDITIONED SPACE WHEN A GARAGE CONVERGENT.
BUT I CAN'T SPEAK TO ALL OF THAT.
I THINK IF YOU LOOK ON -- YOU ARE BEING TAXED IN THAT AREA.
WE HAVE PERMITS FROM WAY BEFORE ACELA WENT INTO EFFECT.
WE HAD ALL THE HISTORIC PERMITS FOR THE CITY.
THEY GO BACK A WHILE.
IF ANYBODY HAS A QUESTION, THEY COULD GET -- COME TO
CONSTRUCTION SERVICES.
WE CAN PUT A REQUEST TO GO BACK TO THOSE -- TO HAVE ONE OF
OUR TECHS GO IN AND PULL THE HISTORIC RECORDS AND SEE IT.
THE PROPERTY APPRAISER WHILE THEY ARE NOW DIGITAL, THEY,
TOO, HAVE THE OLD PROPERTY CARD AND GO IN AND ASK THEM.
IF YOU ARE REALLY IN DOUBT AS TO WHAT HAPPENED.
IF THAT PERSON SETTING IN THEIR SUNROOM THINKS THEY WERE
CONVERTED.
WE ARE NOT COMING AFTER THEM.
THAT IS ON THEM.
09:40:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW DO YOU AVOID THE SALE AND THE ESTATE
SALE AND WHAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA TALKING ABOUT FUTURE OWNERS
HAVING THAT BURDEN.
IF SOMEONE WANTED IT SHALL HOW TO YOU RETROACTIVELY GET INTO
COMPLIANCE OF THAT.
09:40:54AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YOU CAN PULL AN AFTER-THE-FACT PERMIT.
09:40:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOR OUR PUBLIC, YOU CAN GO INTO OUR
BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND AN AFTER-THE-FACT PERMIT AND YOU COME
OUT AND DO A CURSE SEE INSPECTION.
09:41:08AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
TYPICALLY GET AN ENGINEER TO SIGN UP ON A
COVER WORK LETTER.
WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE PEOPLE OPEN UP THEIR WALL AND SO HE
IT, IF THERE IS A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL THAT WILL PROVIDE
THAT INFORMATION.
WE WORK WITH THEM AND GET AN AFTER-THE-FACT PERMIT.
09:41:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PEOPLE LISTEN GOING YOU SUSPECT THIS AND
HAVE THIS SITUATION DON'T WANT TO HAVE THIS PROBLEM, COME
INTO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND FILE AN AFTER-THE-FACT
PERMIT.
THANK YOU.
09:41:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN, MIRANDA.
09:41:37AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
STILL THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE -- THANK YOU
TO THE CHAMBER FOR PARTICIPATING AND GOING THROUGH THE
PROCESS AND ALL INVOLVED CUMBERSOME TO ME.
YOU HAVE TO GET A PERMIT.
THE LADY WHERE I LIVED, THEY WANTED HER TO KNOCK DOWN WHAT
WAS THERE BEFORE SHE BUILT THE HOUSE TO REBUILD IT AGAIN.
THAT'S ALL TIME GOING TO SAY.
HOWEVER, I WOULD IMAGINE, I CHECKED MY HOUSE OUT THE OTHER
DAY.
HOUSE IN 1968 WAS A THREE-BEDROOM, ONE BATH.
IT IS LISTED AT THE COURTHOUSE AS TWO BEDROOM AND ONE BATH.
I HAD AN EXTRA ROOM THAT IS NOT LISTED ON THE PROPERTY
APPRAISER'S OFFICE.
I AM GUILTY OF NOT BEING GUILTY.
THAT'S ALL.
09:42:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE EVICTION COMPANY WILL BE THERE
SHORTLY.
09:42:37AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
PARDON?
09:42:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE EVICTION COMPANY WILL BE THERE
SHORTLY.
09:42:42AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I HOPE IT IS YOU.
09:42:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYTHING ELSE OR MOTION?
WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 2.
ITEM NUMBER 2 --
09:42:49AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I SET THIS UP?
09:42:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YEAH, IT IS YOUR MOTION.
GO AHEAD, SIR.
09:42:54AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, THE ISSUE -- AND STAFF PROVIDED SOME
INPUT ON THIS ON A REPORT, BUT I WANTED TO HAVE A SHORT
DISCUSSION WITH MY COLLEAGUES.
I WILL GIVE THREE EXAMPLES.
THIS IS ABOUT WHETHER CITY -- WHETHER CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE
INVOLVED IN PARKING PLANS FOR CONSTRUCTION.
AND I WILL GIVE YOU THREE EXAMPLES.
ONE, YEARS AGO BEFORE I -- BEFORE I GOT ON COUNCIL,
APARTMENT BUILDING WAS BEING BUILT ACROSS FROM OXFORD
EXCHANGE.
SUDDENLY, TWO WHOLE STREETS WERE BLOCKED OFF.
AND THEN -- AND SO THAT WAS 20, 30 PARKING SPACES.
AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS TOOK UP ALL THE SPACES.
AND FALK THEATRE WAS BEING RENOVATED AND TOOK UP ALL THE
SPACES.
I HAPPEN TO HAVE AN EVENT GOING ON ONCE A WEEK AT OXFORD AND
WE COULDN'T PARK ANYWHERE BECAUSE ALL THE PARKING WAS TAKEN
UP BY CONSTRUCTION CREWS.
THAT IS ONE QUESTION.
WHERE IT IS MOSTLY COMMERCIAL AREA.
THE PARKING SEEMED TO BE -- HAPHAZARDLY ALLOWED.
NO NOTICE OF IT.
SUDDENLY WHOLE STREETS WERE CLOSED.
PART OF THAT WAS FOR STAGING, BUT ALSO THEN THEY -- THE
CONSTRUCTION WORKERS TOOK THE PARKING SPACES AROUND.
SECOND ONE IS A CONDO ON BAYSHORE THAT IS A ADJACENT TO A
PARK.
TWO OR THREE NEIGHBORHOODS COMPLAINED THAT ALL DIFFERENT
WORKERS AND SUBCONTRACTORS JUST FILLED THE WHOLE
NEIGHBORHOOD FULL OF CARS.
THE PARKING AT THE PARK WAS COMPLETELY FULL ALL DAY.
AND CONSTRUCTION WORKERS WERE TAKING WHEELBARROWS AND
MATERIALS ACROSS THE PARK.
AND I KNOW THAT BECAUSE ONE TIME I WAS ON A ZOOM CALL WITH
THE NEIGHBORS, AND THE OWNER OF THE CONDO.
AND I HAPPENED TO BE LIVE ON VIDEO.
AND I SAID, OH, THERE GOES THE WORKERS WALKING ACROSS THE
PARK.
AND SO THOSE ARE -- MORE OF A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
COMMERCIAL EXAMPLE.
A RESIDENTIAL EXAMPLE.
NEIGHBORS HAVING AN EXPECTATION THAT THERE WILL BE CERTAIN
PARKING ON THEIR STREETS.
AND THEY WOULD AT LEAST LIKE TO BE NOTICED IF PARKING IS
TAKEN AWAY.
THE OTHER EXAMPLE THAT HAPPENS ON A REGULAR BASIS, SOMEBODY
TEARS DOWN A RANCH-STYLE HOME AND BUILDS A LARGE HOUSE AND
ALL KIND OF DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS GOING IN AND FILL UP ALL
THE STREETS AND THE ENTIRE STREET ALL AROUND.
SO THE QUESTION IS, IN ANY OF THESE CASES, MAYBE THERE IS A
LIMIT OF HOW BIG COMMERCIAL VERSUS RESIDENTIAL AND MORE
RULES IN PLACE WHERE PARK ASKING BE STAGE.
WHAT KIND OF DISRUPTION CAN PARKING ALLOW AND TRANSPORT
THEIR MATERIALS FROM WHERE THEY ARE GOING AND HOW MUCH
DISRUPTION FROM BUSINESSES AND TO SEE IF STAFF OR MY
COLLEAGUES HAVE ANY SOLUTIONS ON THEM.
09:45:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE MEMO CAME IN FROM MISS FEELEY.
DO YOU WANT TO KICK IT OFF FOR MR. JC HUDGISON?
09:46:03AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
SURE, GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, ABBYE FEELEY.
IT -- THE THREE EXAMPLES YOU JUST GAVE THE SANCTUARY AND
REGULAR SINGLE-FAMILY.
TIME FAMILIAR WITH THOSE.
IT IS A BIT HARD TO GO BACK NOW.
BUT WE DID DO SOME RESEARCH ON THIS WHEN THE MOTION WAS
MADE.
LOOKED AT OTHER CITIES.
TALKED TO CITY OF ST. PETE.
TALKED TO -- A COUPLE OF OTHERS AND ONE THING WE FOUND WAS
THEY DON'T REQUIRE PARKING PLANS.
TYPICALLY THAT IS DONE BY THE FOREMAN OF THE JOB ON THE JOBS
WHEN THE SITUATIONS ARISE AND WE WILL WORK WITH OUR TEAM AND
WITH SHUTTING THE STREETS.
I WASN'T SURE THAT THE CONVERSATION WAS GOING TO GO THAT WAY
THIS MORNING, BUT A THAT IS IN VIK'S SHOP, BECAUSE THEY
APPLY FOR A RIGHT-OF-WAY PERMIT OR M.O.T. IN ORDER TO CLOSE
THOSE STREETS.
AND THEN HAVE TO PUT UP DETOUR SIGNS AND OTHER WAYS FOR
TRAFFIC CIRCULATION.
AND THE LARGE PROJECTS I THINK ARE THE MOST PROBLEMATIC, THE
THIRD ONE THAT WE TOUCH ON IS THE MOST PROBLEMATIC, THE
SINGLE-FAMILY.
TYPICALLY THE LOTS ARE SMALLER.
YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF TRADES COMING IN AT THE SAME TIME.
IT IS DIFFICULT TO GET THOSE TRADES.
I WAS TALKING TO MOBILITY THE OTHER DAY, AND I AM AWARE THAT
THEY STARTED IN SOME SECTIONS OF THE CITY AND I NEED TO GET
WITH VIK OF PUTTING UP PARKING SIGNS ON ONE SIDE OF THE
STREET SO YOU CAN'T HAVE -- I CAN ATTEST THAT IT HAPPENED ON
MY OWN STREET IN RIVERSIDE HEIGHTS.
TWO HOUSES ARE GETTING BUILT.
THE TRASH TRUCKS TRYING TO COME DOWN THE STREET AND WE CAN
NOT PROVIDE PUBLIC SERVICE BECAUSE YOU HAVE CARS PARKED ON
BOTH SIDES AND THE TRUCK CAN'T MAKE IT THROUGH BECAUSE THE
RIGHT-OF-WAYS ARE NARROW.
SO I THINK THAT YOU ARE RAISING EXTREMELY GOOD POINTS.
ABOUT.
WE WORK THROUGH THAT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL SUGGEST HAVING THE 25,000
PERMITS ISSUING EACH YEAR.
BRINGING THOSE PLANS BEFORE COUNCIL.
WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE CONTRACTORS AND WE DO AT THE
PRECONSTRUCTION MEETINGS AND I KNOW JC CAN ADD TO IT.
THE TEAM GOES OVER WITH THE CONTRACTOR IF IT IS A LARGER
SCALE PROJECT WHERE THE PARKING IS GOING TO BE
ACCOMMODATING.
THE PENDRY IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
THEY PARK OFFSITE.
SOMETIMES CONTRACTORS WILL ORGANIZE TRANSPORTATION WHEN THEY
KNOW THEY WILL HAVE LARGE CREWS AT DIFFERENT STAGES OF THEIR
CONSTRUCTION TO BRING THOSE CREWS IN SO THEY PARK SOMEWHERE
OFF-SITE AND EACH PROJECT IS UNIQUE AND HAS THE DIFFERENT
OPPORTUNITIES FOR GETTING MORE COHESIVE PARKING STRATEGIES
IN PLACE.
DID YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT?
09:49:11AM >>JC HUDGISON:
YES.
SO SINCE THE MEMO WENT OUT IN SEPTEMBER KIND OF RESPONDING
TO THE CONSTRUCTION PARKING, WE REQUIRED -- THESE ARE THE
LARGE SCALE PROJECTS AND DEALING WITH THE COMMERCIAL SIDE.
WE REQUIRE THE LARGE-SCALE PROJECT TO PROVIDE US A PARKING
PLAN.
THAT HELPS NEWS TWO WAYS.
NOW MEMORIALIZED IN OUR SET OF DOCUMENTS AS A CONSTRUCTION
SET OF DOCUMENTS.
SO IF THEY ARE VIOLATING THAT, WE HAVE A PLACE TO MOVE TO
ISSUE A CITATION.
WHAT PUT NEWS A WEIRD SPOT BEFORE THIS IS ON THE
RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
TOUGH FOR ME TO ENFORCE SOMETHING IN THE BUILDING CODE IF IT
IS IN THE STREET.
IF WE ARE ENFORCING A BUILDING -- YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE US A
PARKING PLAN FOR THESE LARGE TYPES -- THAT INCLUDES
RESIDENTIAL TOWN HOMES.
THE MIX BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL THAT WE ARE NOW ABLE
TO ENFORCE THAT IF WE HAVE A PARKING PLAN.
ARE THEY GOING TO APPROPRIATELY PARK WHERE THEY NEED TO PARK
AND ISSUE A WARNING OR A STOP WORK ORDER TO CORRECT THE
ACTION.
AS ADMINISTRATOR FEELEY MENTIONED PROBLEMS WITH A
RESIDENTIAL.
SOMEBODY WANT TO REROOF A HOUSE AND THREE OR FOUR TRUCKS ON
THE STREET TRYING TO HAUL OFF THE SHINGLES, BRING IN THE NEW
SHINGLES, AND HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE ARE ACCOMMODATING.
OUR STAFF HAS BEEN TASK.
MAKE SURE THEY ARE ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
TRY TO HAVE THEM PARK ON A PRIVATE PROPERTY AND TORN UP
BECAUSE THE VEHICLE IS ON THE FRONT YARD.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT STOCKPILING MATERIALS ON THE
RIGHT-OF-WAY.
WE HAD ISSUES OF THAT AS WELL.
THE VEHICLES ARE TRICKY FOR US, PER SE, BECAUSE NOT OF
CONSTRUCTION SERVICES AS THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
BUT IDEALLY THEY WOULDN'T BE THERE IF NOT BUILDING
DEPARTMENT.
SINCE SEPTEMBER, ANY OF THESE PROJECTS REQUIRE A PARKING
PLAN IN AND OUR SITE ENGINEERS MAKE SURE THERE IS A PARKING
PLAN ATTACHED TO THE PERMIT.
THEREFORE, WHEN WE GO OUT TO ENFORCE.
WE HAVE SOMETHING TO ENFORCE.
THE CONTRACTOR AGREED THIS IS WHERE YOU WILL BE PARKING YOUR
STAFF FOR THE DURATION OF THAT PROJECT.
AND WE HAVE BETTER ENFORCEMENT OPTIONS AT THAT POINT.
09:51:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WERE YOU FIRST OR
HURTAK?
09:51:25AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MISS HURTAK.
09:51:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:51:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS GREAT THAT YOU STARTED THIS.
PARKING PLAN.
I THINK IT IS FABULOUS.
I AM JUST GOING TO MENTION TWO THINGS MISS FEELEY BROUGHT UP
A GOOD POINT OF THE ONE SIDE OF THE STREET PARKING.
I WAS WONDERING -- WE CAN'T DO A PARKING PLAN FOR EVERY
RESIDENTIAL BUILD, BUT IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO SAY THAT
THIS HOUSE IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STREET.
YOU MAY ONLY PARK THESE VOKES ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE
STREET.
LIKE YOU CAN'T PARK ON BOTH SIDES.
IF YOU ARE BUILDING A HOUSE ON THE WEST SIDE, YOU MUST STAY
ON THE WEST SIDE.
I MEAN IT IS A PARKING PLAN, BUT IT IS NOT A PARKING PLAN
IN.
I JUST -- I MEAN -- IT IS JUST SOMETHING TO THROW OUT AS AN
IDEA.
09:52:13AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
SO I THINK SO FAR THIS YEAR, WE HAVE ISSUED
CLOSE TO 1,000 -- IS THAT THE TOTAL FOR LAST YEAR?
I THINK THE TOTAL FOR LAST YEAR WAS 1,000 SINGLE-FAMILY
RESIDENTIAL PERMITS.
I THINK THE POINT THAT YOU ARE RAISING WITH THE IDEA IS A
GOOD ONE AND I AM THINKING AS I AM PROCESSING FOR JUST A
SECOND THAT I THINK MORE SO COMING UP WITH AND WORKING ON A
GENERAL STATEMENT.
AND WE DID THIS WITH RIGHT-OF-WAY ON A COUPLE OF OTHER
THINGS ABOUT BLOCKING THE SIDEWALKS OR DOING -- WE COULD PUT
A GENERAL NOTATION ON THE PLANS THAT REFER TO PARKING OR
PARKING IN A CERTAIN WAY, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO THINK
THROUGH THAT WHAT THAT LANGUAGE WOULD BE, BUT I DON'T THINK
THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM.
AND THEN WHEN WE GO OUT FOR PRECONSTRUCTION PRIOR TO --
PRIOR TO FOUNDATION POUR, SOMETHING WE COULD REITERATE WITH
THE BUILDER THAT YOU NEED TO EN SHOWER THAT YOUR PARKING IS
REMAINING IN ADJACENCY TO YOUR SITE.
WE CAN THINK THROUGH THAT AND MAYBE SEE WHAT SOME OF OUR
OTHER COLLEAGUES IN OTHER CITIES ARE DOING IN RELATIONSHIP
WITH THAT.
09:53:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
OBVIOUSLY NOT EXPECTING ANYONE TO BE ABLE TO JUMP ON THEIR
FEET -- I MEAN TO HAVE THE ANSWERS RIGHT AWAY.
BUT I THINK THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY COULD
GET BEHIND, BECAUSE, I MEAN, YEAH, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE
CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES, BUT TO YOUR POINT, WE CAN'T NOT BE
ABLE TO HAVE A FIRE TRUCK DOWN.
CAN'T NOT BE ABLE TO GET A GARAGE TRUCK DOWN.
SO I THINK THOSE ARE -- I THINK BY AND LARGE THE COMMUNITIES
WILL SUPPORT SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT WILL LEAVE ROOM
FOR FOLKS TO GET AROUND I KNOW TECHNICALLY WE HAVE THESE
SIGNS ALREADY IN SOME PARKS, BUT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT
COUNCILMAN CARLSON MENTIONED CONSTRUCTION CREWS PARKING IN
THE PARKING LOT FOR PARKS, THAT SHOULD BE ON EVERY -- SHOULD
BE ON EVERY SINGLE ONE WHETHER COMMERCIAL FOR RESIDENTIAL
THAT THEY ABSOLUTELY CANNOT PARK AND USE PUBLIC PARK
CONSTRUCTION TO PARK CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES.
I KNOW SEVERAL PARKS HAVE SMALL PARKING LOTS.
WE NEED TO RESERVE PARKING IN PARKS FOR PEOPLE USING PARKS.
SO EVEN THOUGH IT IS TECHNICALLY PUBLIC, I KNOW THAT -- I
HAVE SEEN PARKING FOR PARTICIPANTS ONLY.
BUT TO PUT THAT IN THE LANGUAGE FOR THE DOCUMENTATION OF
CONSTRUCTION FOLKS SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE OUR PARKING
CREWS OUT THERE SO THAT YOU ALL CAN HANDLE THAT.
I THINK THAT WILL HELP EVERYONE SEVEN NEW PARKING ATTENDANTS
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE LOOKING AT CONSTRUCTION THE OTHER
WAY YOU ARE.
THAT IS MY SUGGESTION.
09:55:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND CLENDENIN.
09:55:17AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ONE BUILT NOW.
A COUPLE TWO OR THREE MONTHS BACK ON HABANA AND TAMPA BAY
BOULEVARD ABOUT 60 FEET EAST THE SOUTH SIDE.
A LOT WAS SPLIT.
I NOTICED ONE DAY I WAS DRYING BY.
SEEING THE FOOTING BEING DONE.
NEXT DAY I GO DOWN.
THE BLOCKS WERE COMING UP.
NEXT WEEK I COME BY, THE SAND.
AND THEN THE PLUMBER WAS THERE.
NOW THE HOUSE IS UP WHERE IT SHOULD BE AND THE RAFTERS
ARRIVED.
EVERYTHING WORKED FINE.
SOMETIMES MAYBE CLOSE TO THE AND A REAL, REAL BUSY STREET.
TAMPA BOULEVARD CARRIES A LOT OF TRAFFIC EAST AND WEST.
FOR ME IT WORKS PERFECT WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
MAYBE COINCIDENTAL EVERYTHING WORKED OUT.
DIDN'T SEE ONE OR TWO CONTRACTORS.
IF ONE WAS HERE TODAY, THE NEXT ONE SHOWED UP TOMORROW.
THAT WAS BY ACCIDENT BECAUSE THEY ARE BUSY.
THESE ARE THE THINGS I NOTICED.
I AM NOT SAYING IT HAVEN'T HAPPENED SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT ALL
PARKED ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE ROAD FACING EAST.
SO I THINK WHATEVER THE CONTRACTOR WAS.
I DON'T KNOW WHO DID.
BUT IT WAS PERFECT.
09:56:32AM >> I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE COMMENTED.
ONE OF THE THINGS THROUGH OUR DISCUSSION AND PREPARATION OF
OUR MEMO, A LOT OF THE SITES ARE VERY FLUID.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE THE TRUSSES DROPPED OFF.
YOU MAY HAVE SOMEONE CALL AND SAY THE TRUSSES HAVE BEEN
DROPPED OFF AND GONE AND UP AT THE HOUSE ALREADY, AND THIS I
THINK SO ARE MOVING IN A VERY FLUID MANNER AT THE RATE OF
CONSTRUCTION IN SOME OF THESE.
BUT IF SOMEBODY SEES SOMETHING, THEY CAN -- THERE IS A
FINISH, THEY CAN ALWAYS CALL IN TO US AND OUR INSPECTION
TEAMS ARE OUT AROUND THE CITY EVERY DAY.
WE DO MORE THAN 500 NUMBERS THROUGHOUT THE CITY A DAY WITH
OUR 30 SOME INSPECTORS.
TYPICALLY SOMEBODY IS OUT IN AN AREA AND WE CAN SEND THEM
BY.
I DO IT ALL THE TIME.
I SEE SOMETHING HAPPENING AND THEY GET THE TEXT AND CALL AND
SAY, HEY, CAN YOU RUN BY AND CHECK ON THIS.
LET THE CONTRACTOR KNOW, THEY NEED TO PULL IT UP OFF THE
RIGHT-OF-WAY OR WHATEVER IT IS.
IF YOU SEE SOMETHING OR -- I HEAR FROM SOMETIMES RESIDENTS
WHO ARE IN HIGH TRAFFIC CONSTRUCTION NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND JUST LET US KNOW AND WE ARE HAPPY TO GO BY AND TAKE A
LOOK AND TRY TO RECTIFY THAT.
09:57:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
09:57:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PART OF THIS NOT ONE SOLUTION AND
CONSTRUCTION IS SO COMPLEX.
AND THE SCALE OF CONSTRUCTION IS SO COMPLEX.
A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES, THE RITZ-CARLTON CONSTRUCTION PROJECT
AND THE PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WAS PROBLEMATIC.
I KNOW PROBLEMATIC FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I LAID EYES ON THAT MANY TIMES AND I WAS ACTUALLY VICTIMIZED
BY IT ON AT LEAST ONE OCCASION.
IT IS VERY DIFFICULT.
SO ALSO, SEEMS LIKE -- I THINK COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HIT ON
IT.
IF YOU GO TO A POINT OF -- YOU CAN NOT -- IF IT IS
SIMPLISTIC APPROACH IF YOU CAN NOT RESTRICT A ROAD
RIGHT-OF-WAY TO A POINT WHERE -- WHERE AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE
CANNOT GO THROUGH, THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE, UNLESS YOU HAVE
-- LIKE WE WOULD IF YOU HAVE A SPECIAL MERE AT THIS TIME TO
HAVE A BLOCKAGE AND HAVE PD OUT THERE TO ENFORCE IT AND MOVE
PEOPLE AWAY IF WE HAD TO.
THAT SIMPLE OF A PROCESS.
CAN'T RESTRICT ACCESS UNLESS IT IS PERMITTED AND HAVE PROPER
ENFORCEMENT OUT THERE TO MOVE PEOPLE ALONG.
BECAUSE, AGAIN, YOU ARE RIGHT, YOU HAVE ROOFING AND ALL OF A
SUDDEN THESE TRUCKS SHOW UP AND GONE IN 20 MINUTES OPPOSED
TO A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT GOING ON A YEAR AND A HALF AND
IMPACTING A NEIGHBORHOOD.
APPLES AND ORANGES SO DIFFICULT TO COME UP WITH THE ONE
SOLUTION TO THIS -- TO THIS COMPLEX PROBLEM.
THANK YOU.
09:59:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYONE ELSE?
ANY MOTIONS?
YES, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:59:08AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC TOO.
I DON'T WANT TO MAKE ANY MOTION ON THIS BECAUSE YOU ALL HAVE
PUT YOUR OWN RULES IN PLACE.
AND A COUPLE OF GOOD IDEAS OF NOT PARKING ON PARKS.
NOT BLOCKING ROADS.
I WOULD ADD NOT ILLEGALLY PARKING.
THAT MAY SOUND NORMAL, BUT WHEN THEY ARE ALL DOUBLE AND
TRIPLE PARKED AND PARKED UP ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, THEY SHOULD
BE PARKED IN NORMAL SPACES.
THE OTHER THING I WAS THINKING OF SOME KIND OF NOTICE AT
LEAST ON THE BIG ONES NOTIFYING THE NEIGHBORHOOD
ASSOCIATION.
MAYBE THEY CAN'T DO 250 FEET, BUT AT LEAST NOTIFY THE
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND SEE THE MAP AND WARN THEIR
RESIDENT.
THAT WILL BE HELPFUL.
09:59:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK
ON THIS ITEM, ITEM NUMBER 2?
YES, MA'AM, COME ON UP.
AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
GOOD MORNING, MA'AM.
10:00:04AM >> GOOD MORNING, SANDY DE DIEGO SANCHEZ.
I'M HERE TO TELL YOU WHEN YOU HAVE FIVE HOUSES CONSTRUCT BY
THREE DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS ON ONE STREET, YOU GET TO SEE THE
WORST AND THE BEST OF THEM.
THREE DEVELOPERS ONE OF THEM FROM OUT OF STATE.
THE ONLY DEVELOP THAT HAD THE COURTESY TO LET ME KNOW THAT
THE CEMENT TRUCKS WERE COMING THE NEXT DAY.
IF I NEEDED TO GET OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY, HE WANTED TO LET ME
KNOW AHEAD OF TIME.
ON THE OTHER TWO A CONTRACTOR PARK IN MY DRIVEWAY, BLOCK MY
CAR.
AND WHEN I CAME OUT TO ASK HIM TO MOVE THE CAR, HE TOLD ME
THEY WERE WORKING AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO WORK IT.
I HAD TO CALL THE POLICE.
AND THEN HE WAS UPSET BECAUSE I CALLED THE POLICE.
THERE HAS TO BE A LISTING THAT THESE CONTRACTORS GET THAT
WILL MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND THAT THEY SHOULD BE COURTEOUS TO
THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE BEING INCONVENIENCED.
THAT WENT ON FOR A YEAR AND A HALF.
AND I CAN TELL YOU MORE HORROR STORIES BUT THOSE ARE THE
ONES THAT ARE THE MOST BLATANT.
THE RIVETER -- WHATEVER YOU CALL IT THE JACKHAMMER AT 6:00 IN
THE MORNING ON A SUNDAY MORNING BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO
POURED THE CONCRETE THE DAY BEFORE DIDN'T DO IT RIGHT IS
UNACCEPTABLE.
NOT JUST THE OBSTRUCTION.
IT IS THE NOISE.
THERE HAS TO BE A LISTING OF SOME KIND THAT THE CONTRACTORS
GET THAT MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND THE INCONVENIENCES THEY ARE
CAUSING TO THE PEOPLE WHO PAY TAXES AND LIVE IN THOSE HOMES.
I AM ASKING THERE IS SOME KIND OF COMMUNICATION AND
CHECKLIST THEY LOOK AT SO THEY ARE ABLE TO SEE WHAT IT IS
THAT IS EXPECTED OF THIS PEOPLE.
JUST BECAUSE A DEVELOPER DOESN'T MEAN YOU OWN THE STREET.
THANK YOU.
10:02:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER.
10:02:06AM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
THIS IS A DELIGHTFUL EXPERIENCE I HAD BACK IN 2019 WHEN THEY
WERE PUTTING SOMETHING ON THAT CRAZY WOMAN'S HOUSE ACROSS
THE STREET FROM ME.
BUT ANYWAY, AND THEY DOUBLED PARKED.
AND I LIVE IN AN HOA.
AND CAN YOU -- I AM SORRY.
YOU -- HERE WE GO.
SO I WALKED ACROSS THE STREET.
AND I GET YELLED AT BY GROWN MEN SCREAMING AT ME BECAUSE I
TOLD THEM YOU CANNOT DOUBLE PARK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE
STREET.
YOU CAN SEE THEIR VANS ARE -- THEIR TRUCKS ARE ON BOTH SIDE
OF THE STREETS.
I THINK COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S IDEA YOU PARK ON THE SIDE OF
THE STREET YOU ARE WORKING ON FOR A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME IS A
REALLY GOOD IDEA.
I DON'T CARE IF YOU HAVE TO WALK THREE BLOCKS.
BECAUSE THIS WAS A SCREAMING MATCH.
BECAUSE THEY WERE NASTY TO ME AND I DON'T PUT UP WITH IT.
THEY DECIDED TO LEAVE -- SOME OF THE TRUCKS DECIDED TO LEAVE
AND I HAVE A ROOFER ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME THAT HAS BEEN
FABULOUS.
THEY HAVE COME IN AND DID A NICE JOB AND PARKED ON ONE SIDE
OF THE STREET AND APPLES AND ORANGES AND YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT
YOU ARE GOING TO GET.
AND PRETTY EASY TO MAKE THAT REQUIREMENT, TO BE HONEST YOU
WITH.
I LIVED IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING IT.
CEMENT TRUCKS LINED UP AROUND THE BLOCK.
THEY HONKED HORNS AT 7:00.
I WENT OUT THERE AND THEY DIDN'T LIKE ME AFTER THAT, BUT LET
ME TELL YOU THE CEMENT DRIVERS SNITCHED ON THEM.
BUT ANYWAY, I THINK IT IS AN IMPORTANT THOUGHT PROCESS
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT TOTALLY LEGALLY MAD DOG AND
ENGLISHMAN IS BEING FILLED UP.
EVERY SPACE IN HIS PARKING LOT HAS BEEN PACKED OUT.
WHY?
THEY ARE FINISHING OUT CONSTRUCTION.
TRAINING NEW PEOPLE.
WE ARE BRINGING PEOPLE IN.
THAT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD TOO.
BUT EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY PARKING SPOT IN THEIR PARKING LOT
IS FULL.
AND I AM NOT CALLING THEM OUT IN A NEGATIVE WAY, I AM JUST
POINTING OUT THAT WHEN YOU GOT ALL THESE CONSTRUCTION GUYS
HERE AT ONE TIME, IT -- IT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE
TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, ESPECIALLY IF THERE IS NOT ANY --
YOU KNOW, IF YOU ARE IN A SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD WITH SMALL
STREETS AND GARBAGE TRUCKS.
THIS ISSUE HERE WAS, I HAD FIVE NEIGHBORS CONTACT ME THAT
THEY COULDN'T GET OUT.
I'M NOT GOING TO ACCOUNT FOR MY NEIGHBORS' PARKING SKILLS OR
DRIVING SKILLS, BUT THOSE FOLKS COULDN'T GET OUT OF THEIR
DRIVEWAY.
THEY HAD TO TURN AROUND AND GO THE WRONG WAY IN THEIR
ALLEYWAY TO GET OUT OF THEIR HOME.
THAT IS JUST NOT FAIR.
SO THANK YOU.
10:04:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
10:04:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ONE OTHER IDEA -- AND I DON'T KNOW THE
COMPLEXITY AND WHAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO REQUIRE DEVELOPERS TO
DO ARE BUT ESPECIALLY IN SINGLE-FAMILY, MAYBE WE CAN REQUIRE
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THE PROJECT TO, LIKE, LEAVE ONE
NOTICE ON EACH DOOR EITHER NEXT DOOR OR DIRECTLY ACROSS THAT
GIVES CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THERE.
AND THEN CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THE CITY.
10:05:16AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ABBYE FEELEY.
WE CAN DO THAT.
RIGHT NOW, IT IS ALL IN THE PERMIT BOX.
SO IF THE NEIGHBOR WALKS UP TO THE PERMIT BOX, THERE IS A
WAY -- I AM JUST THINKING IF WE SAY DO THAT, THEN HOW -- ARE
THEY SENDING IT CERTIFIED MAIL AND GIVING US THE
CERTIFICATION.
ARE WE GOING BACK AND FORTH WHETHER OR NOT THEY DID IT.
I AM TRYING TO THINK OF THE ASPECTS OF THAT.
I THINK WHEN WE PUT -- WHEN WE PUT THE INFORMATION ON THE
PERMIT, WHEN WE ISSUE THE PERMIT TO THEM, IF THE NEIGHBOR
THEN HAS A PROBLEM LIKE JC WAS SAYING AND WE GO BACK AND
SAY, YOU ACCEPTED THIS.
THE CONDITIONS WERE THIS.
YOU KNOW, WE ARE GOING TO NEED A PUT A STOP WORK ORDER OR DO
SOMETHING UNTIL YOU RECTIFY THE SITUATION OR SOMETHING LIKE
THAT.
I DO KNOW OF MANY THAT DO GO OUT IF THEY ARE GOING TO POUR
OR OTHER THINGS AND HAVE THOSE ADDITIONAL COMMUNICATIONS.
BUT I AM JUST -- TYPICALLY, AS I MENTIONED, THE SITE IS SO
FLUID, THOSE THINGS HAPPEN SO FAST THAT THEY COULD HAVE
NOTICED AND THEY ARE ALREADY POURING AND IT IS DONE AND THEY
GO OUT THERE.
SO I NEED TO SET REALISTIC EXPECTATIONS WHAT WE CAN DO AND
HOW FROM THAT POINT FORWARD.
10:06:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM NOT TALKING OF EVERY SINGLE THING DONE
BUT JUST ONCE.
AT THE BEGINNING.
IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM, THIS IS THE COMPANY'S PHONE NUMBER.
AND IF THEY ARE NOT -- IF THEY DON'T LISTEN, HERE IS THE
CITY HOTLINE, THE 24-7 HOTLINE.
AS ONE OF THE COMMENTERS SAID, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU DO AT 6
A.M. ON A SUNDAY.
10:06:53AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YOU CALL TPD.
I HAVE DONE IT MYSELF.
10:06:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL JUST SAY FOR THOSE OF US WHO KNOW
ABOUT THE DOC BOX, THAT SORT OF WORKS, BUT BECAUSE IT IS ON
PRIVATE PROPERTY GENERALLY, PEOPLE ARE UNCOMFORTABLE GOING
TO THAT DOC BOX.
I HAD NEIGHBORS WHO SAID I DIDN'T REALIZE I CAN TO THAT
BECAUSE IT IS ON SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY.
I THINK THAT IS -- THAT IS THE WAY THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT
COMFORTABLE TO GO TO THOSE DOC BOXES.
ESPECIALLY IF THE DOC BOX IS ON THE HOUSE.
WHERE PEOPLE SAY, OH, NO, NOT GOING THERE.
10:07:30AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
SO CAN I ASK A CLARIFICATION QUESTION?
THIS NOTICE -- AND I WOULD LIKE SOME MORE TIME TO THINK
THROUGH IT.
10:07:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OH, YEAH.
10:07:39AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ONLY FOR A FULL NEW CONSTRUCTION.
NOT EVERY OTHER CHANGE OUT, A HOT WATER -- I MEAN, LIKE I AM
SAYING --
10:07:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, YES.
IF.
10:07:49AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
WE ISSUE A LOT OF PERMITS.
10:07:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
10:07:55AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
SINGLE-FAMILY NEW CONSTRUCTION.
10:07:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
TAPED TO THE DOOR.
BASIC THING, HAVE A PROBLEM -- JUST A THOUGHT AND AN IDEA.
OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE COMPANIES THAT ARE GREAT.
AND WHO ARE COMMUNICATIVE, BUT WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS
REACH THE COMPANIES THAT AREN'T.
10:08:11AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
UNDERSTAND.
10:08:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. MICHELINI, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK AS
PART OF PUBLIC COMMENT?
10:08:18AM >> YES, SIR.
IS IT PUBLIC COMMENT NOW?
10:08:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE ALREADY HAD IT.
YOU ARE THE LAST SPEAKER.
10:08:24AM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
AS YOU KNOW I AM CHAIRMAN OF THE BUILDERS ASSOCIATION OF
GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS COMMITTEE FOR TAMPA AND WHAT I WAS JUST
TALKING TO JC ABOUT, IS SENDING A COURTESY NOTICE OUT TO THE
BUILDERS THAT SAY, AS YOU ALL DISCUSSED, PARK ON ONE SIDE OF
THE STREET.
DON'T BLOCK THE STREET, PARTICULARLY IN SOUTH TAMPA AND
WHERE THE STREETS ARE VERY NARROW.
AND I WILL WORK WITH THEM TO -- TO DEVELOP SOMETHING THAT WE
CAN THEN SEND OUT TO THE BUILDERS.
10:08:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY MOTIONS?
ANYTHING?
IF NOT, MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
ALL RIGHT.
ITEM NUMBER 3.
10:09:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST BEFORE WE MOVE ON.
IS THERE A WAY WE CAN GET KIND OF AN UPDATE ABOUT IDEAS AND
THOUGHTS?
BECAUSE WE ARE COMING UP WITH GOOD IDEAS, BUT I DON'T KNOW
-- YEAH, HOW THAT COMES BACK TO US.
10:09:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BRING IT BACK AS A STAFF REPORT IN A
FUTURE MEETING.
10:09:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
LIKE A WRITTEN REPORT.
10:09:26AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
CAN WE HAVE 60 TO 90 DAYS TO WORK ON THIS.
I WAS JUST TALKING TO JC.
MUCH LIKE WHEN WE ARE IN STATE OF EMERGENCY, HE THE ABILITY
HOW THAT ACELA TO SHOOT OUT TO ALL THE LICENSED CONTRACTORS
-- ANYBODY USING ACELA DOING BUSINESS IN THE CITY, WE CAN
PUT TOGETHER A LIST THAT WENT OUT.
START WITH THAT.
DOING A BLAST OUT TO EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, VERSES TRYING TO
DO PHYSICAL LETTERS, TO -- WE ALSO HAVE QUARTERLY ADVISORY
MEETINGS.
WE HAVE MONTHLY MEETINGS WITH TBA, AND QUARTERLY ADVISORY
WITH THE GENERAL CONTRACTORS AND ARCHITECTS.
10:10:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HOW ABOUT MAY 1.
10:10:05AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
LAND USE ATTORNEYS.
10:10:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MARCH 27 AS A WRITTEN STAFF REPORT.
10:10:12AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
FEBRUARY 1 NEXT WEEK.
CAN I HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME THAN THAT?
10:10:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW ABOUT APRIL 17.
10:10:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SECOND.
10:10:24AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
A MEETING DATE?
10:10:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
A REGULAR SESSION.
JUST A WRITTEN REPORT.
AN UPDATE.
NOT THAT WE HAVE ALL THIS NEW STUFF.
THIS IS WHERE WE ARE.
WE MET WITH THEM.
SO NOTHING -- NOTHING BINDING, JUST YOUR WRITTEN REPORT OF
WHERE YOU ARE.
10:10:41AM >> GUIDO MANISCALCO:
APRIL 17, WRITTEN REPORT.
10:10:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM MAKING A MOTION TO HAVE A STATUS REPORT
OF THE -- OF BOTH ITEMS ONE AND TWO, WHAT WE DISCUSSED AS
POSSIBILITY GOING FORWARD -- SORRY -- ITEM 2.
SO -- SO TO COME BACK FOR A STATUS REPORT FOR ALL THE IDEAS
THAT WERE TAUGHT -- THAT WE -- THAT WE DISCUSSED ON
APPROVING CONTRACTOR PARKING PLANS FOR INPUT FROM
CONSTRUCTION AND RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS AS A WRITTEN REPORT ON
APRIL 17, 2025.
10:11:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
HE GAME -- CAME IN QUICKLY WITH THE SECOND.
MR. SHELBY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING?
10:11:34AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU, MA MOTION WAS MOORE SPECIFIC.
10:11:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
ITEM --
10:11:39AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE MORE QUICK THING, MISS FEELEY.
THE -- THE ONE I SHALL I MENTION, AND I DIDN'T NAME THE
NAMES, THE CONDO ON BAYSHORE.
WHEN THE OWNER FOUND OUT WHAT THE SUBCONTRACTORS WERE DOING,
HE WAS APPALLED.
YOU TALKED OF THE CONTRACTOR AND GENERAL CONTRACTORS, SEEM
IN THE BIG CONTRACTS, THE SUBS ARE VERY OFTEN NOT DOING
THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A DISTINCTION OF A DIFFERENCE OF
HOW TO COMMUNICATE, BUT THE SUBS ARE THE ONES WE NEED TO
FOCUS ON.
10:12:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE WILL HEAR FROM YOU APRIL 17.
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN, THIS IS YOUR MOTION, ITEM NUMBER.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO KICK IT OFF.
10:12:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ABSOLUTELY.
ONE OF THOSE LEARNING LESSONS.
AS A CITIZEN OF TAMPA, YOU SEE THINGS HAPPEN AND YOU DON'T
UNDERSTAND HOW THEY HAPPEN AND WHY THEY HAPPENED.
I GOT ON CITY COUNCIL AND IMMEDIATELY STARTED RECOGNIZING
THAT THERE IS -- THERE ARE ISSUES IN HOW PAST COUNCILS HAVE
APPROVED REDEVELOPMENT IN OUR CITY.
AND THOSE ARE CALLED PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS.
SEEMS AS THOUGH THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA THAT HAS KIND OF
SPIRALED OUT OF CONTROL.
YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT -- I MEAN, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND I
BOTH SHARE THIS.
YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE LAND USE MAPS WHEN THEY COME BEFORE
US, AND EUCLIDIAN ZONING IS ALMOST LIKE AN AFTERTHOUGHT THAT
ALL OF A SUDDEN THE CITY OF TAMPA IS BECOMING ONE GIGANTIC
PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE INTENT OF
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
IT SEEMS VERY CLEAR TO ME THAT A PD WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED
TO BE LARGER SCALE, MORE TRANSFORMATIONAL PROJECTS.
AND, OF COURSE, GIVE AN INCH AND THEY WILL TAKE A MILE.
A LOT OF DEVELOPERS AND OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SEEN OPPORTUNITIES
TO USE A PD TO PUT SOMETHING OF TOO LARGE OF A SCALE,
INAPPROPRIATE IN NEIGHBORHOODS, AND REALLY -- AND ONLY IN A
WAY TO BY PASS CURRENT LAND USE AND ZONING CODES.
AND I BELIEVE THERE IS A LAND USE POLICY ON PDs THAT
SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT'S A PD IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE USED TO
CIRCUMVENT RULES AND LAND USE POLICIES.
YOU KNOW I -- I GET IT.
LIKE WE -- I ACTUALLY HAVE VOTED IN FAVOR OF SOME PDs
RECENTLY.
WE HAVE SEEN THEM IN THE TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS.
LARGER SCALE PROJECTS THAT ARE TRANSFORMATIONAL AND THE CITY
OF TAMPA AND I GET THE FACT THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE
ARE RE-CREATING.
BUT, AGAIN, I DO NOT SEE WITH MAYBE JUST A FEW EXCEPTIONS.
I GET IN A RESIDENTIAL -- A TRADITIONAL RESIDENTIAL
NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO APPROVE A PD BECAUSE
THEY HAVE -- IN ORDER TO SAVE A GRAND TREE, TO SAVE IT.
OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT OR MISSING A FOOT OR SOMETHING
LIKE THAT.
BUT THERE ARE PROCEDURES AND THEY CAN ASK FOR VARIANCES FOR
SETBACKS.
INSTEAD THEY GO -- THIS IS A PAST OF LEAST RESISTANCE.
HE FIND THAT THIS POLICY AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THESE
NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE BEEN VERY DETRIMENTAL TO NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND THIS IS WHERE WE SEE INAPPROPRIATE LAND SPLITS, LOT
SPLITS.
AGAIN, MASSING IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE COMPLETELY
INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE SCALE AND THE SIZE OF THE
NEIGHBORHOODS.
I THINK ESPECIALLY WHAT WE HAVE SEEN WITH SOUTH TAMPA
SPECIFICALLY WITH HURRICANE DAMAGE AND WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN
THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AND NOT HAVING PROPER AREAS FOR RUNOFF
IS PROBLEMATIC.
AND I HAVE TO THINK THAT SOME OF THESE PDs AND PAST
APPROVALS HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THIS.
WE NEED TO GET BACK TO THE EUCLIDIAN TYPE OF LAND ZONING.
WHY HAS A RULE IF WE ARE JUST GOING TO ROUTINELY WAIVE THAT
RULE.
ROLL IT OUT AND MAKE EVERYTHING IN THE CITY OF TAMPA A PD.
RULES ARE RULES.
LET'S STICK BY IT.
YOUR HOME IS THE MOST SINGLE INVESTMENT THAT MOST PEOPLE
MAKE IN THEIR LIVES.
SHOULD BE PREDICTABILITY.
YOU BUY IN A NEIGHBORHOOD YOU SHOULD KNOW WHAT IS BEING
DEVELOPED IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SOME OF THIS STUFF SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING.
I THINK PD HAS SPIRALED OUT OF CONTROL AND THAT IS THE END
OF MY LONG SPEECH.
10:15:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:15:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I COULDN'T I AGREE WITH YOU MORE.
WHICH IS WHY I SAY WE ARE REDOING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ADVISORY MEETING, WE HAD --
THEY HAD A THREE-HOUR MEETING ON FRIDAY, AND I WAS THERE.
IT WAS PHENOMENAL.
ONE OF THE BEST CONVERSATIONS I EVER HEARD.
THAT ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAS DEVELOPERS, ARCHITECTS,
BUILDERS, COMMUNITY MEMBERS YOU KNOW, A MEMBER OF YIMBY.
EVERYBODY WHO NEEDS TO HAVE A VOICE IS REPRESENTED.
REALLY GREAT CONVERSATION.
AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT ONE DEVELOPER SAID.
THEY SAID ALL WE WANT IS TO KNOW THE RULES SO I HIGHLY
RECOMMEND THERE IS A MEET COMING UP.
I BELIEVE IT IS FEBRUARY 4 AT P.M. AT HANNAH CITY CENTER
WHERE THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN ON THE ASSESSMENT
THAT CLARION HAS DONE -- THAT IS THE COMPANY THAT IS REDOING
THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU ALL TO COME.
LISTEN.
TALK.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE WON'T BE DOING THE TALKING.
ALL WE ARE DOING IS LISTENING.
I REALLY HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT.
I DON'T DISAGREE THAT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT PLAN DEVELOPMENT
OF DEVELOPMENT.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE STUCK WITH THIS WHEN WE DO OUR LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IT IS COMING AND IF YOU WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT I HIGHLY
RECOMMEND THAT YOU GET AS INVOLVED AS YOU CAN.
I SAT AND LISTENED.
THE BEST MEETING I HAVE BEEN TO THE ENTIRE MONTH OF JANUARY.
10:17:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE REASON I BROUGHT THIS UP AND WE KEPT
DEFERRING IT.
BECAUSE IT WAS REACHING A LEVEL OF CRITICAL MASS.
AND I REALLY WANTED THIS IN THE WORKSHOP FORECAST BECAUSE WE
CAN'T TALK ABOUT THIS TO EACH OTHER OUTSIDE OF THIS FORMAT.
AND I WANTED TO KIND OF HAVE A MEETING OF THE MINDS, AT
LEAST AS WE GO FORWARD AND PEOPLE COME TO US WITH PDs NOT
THINKING THAT WE ARE -- THAT THESE ARE ENTITLEMENTS.
THAT THE PDs ARE ENTITLEMENTS.
THEY HAVE THE GROUP AMONG THE SEVEN OF US BECAUSE THE
APPROVING AUTHORITIES.
GENERALLY -- AGAIN NOT BLACK AND WHITE AND GENERALLY WHAT IS
APPROPRIATE.
GENERALLY WHAT IS APPROPRIATE IS WHAT WE SEE IN THE
TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS AND THE TRANSFORMATIONAL PROJECTS
THAT ARE TRULY RE-CREATING THE CITY OF TAMPA IN A -- IN A
VERY -- YOU KNOW, DEFINITIVE TYPE OF WAY.
PUSHING TOWARD THAT IDEA OF DENSITY WHERE DENSITY IS
INTENDED TO BE.
AND NOT NECESSARILY USING PDs, AGAIN, TO DECIMATE
NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THAT ARE WELL ESTABLISHED.
AND SHOULDN'T DECIMATED.
10:18:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:18:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AGREE TO SOME DEGREE.
IF YOU DON'T ALREADY FOLLOW RAY DELANEY, CITY NERD, ON
VARIOUS SOCIAL MEDIA.
HE DOES GREAT YOUTUBE VIDEOS.
THE MOST RECENT ONE IS WHY WE SHOULDN'T BE BUILDING
APARTMENTS NEXT TO HIGH TRANSIT CORRIDORS BECAUSE THAT IS
REALLY BAD FOR PEOPLE'S HEALTH.
IT IS INTERESTING.
HE HAS REAL INTERESTING THOUGHTS AND WAYS TO LOOK AT IT.
10:19:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MAKE THEM WALK?
10:19:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OF HOW TO ADD DENSITY THROUGHOUT.
AND THAT IS KIND OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT -- AND THE
DEVELOPERS AGREED DURING THIS CONVERSATION OF, YES, WE
ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHERE WE PLAN.
BUT THAT IS WHERE THE NEW LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WILL DO IS
TO MAKE DEVELOPMENT EASIER.
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME TO US.
BECAUSE THAT IS THE HARDEST THING TO DO, AND WE ARE TAKING
OUT SMALL DEVELOPERS.
SMALL DEVELOPERS CAN'T AFFORD TO GO THROUGH THE PD PROCESS.
SO WHEN WE ARE FIXING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IN THEORY,
WE WILL HAVE VERY FEW PDs BECAUSE THEY WILL BE ABLE TO BUILD
--
10:19:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT IS THE KEY IN THEORY.
IF WE CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH THE WILLY-NILLY PD, ALL THIS
PROCESS OF LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS FOR NOT.
10:19:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
PART OF LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AFTER WE AGREE
TO IT, A THREE TO SIX-MONTH PROCESS OF TESTING IT, TO SEE IF
IT WORKS.
LOOKING AT OLD PROJECTS, I BELIEVE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY
SEEING HOW IT CHANGES THINGS.
THEY HAVE A WHOLE -- I RECOMMEND TALKING TO THE FOLKS FROM
CLARION.
THEY HAVE DONE THIS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
IN THIS IS A HIGH PRIORITY FOR YOU, ABSOLUTELY.
FIND OUT MAYBE TALKING TO FOLKS ON TUESDAY -- WHAT ELSE CAN
WE TO DO MAKE SURE STUFF DOESN'T COME TO US.
THAT IS THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THINGS NOT COME TO COUNCIL.
TO HAVE THEM BE SO BLACK AND WHITE THAT WE ARE THE GRAY.
AND THAT THERE IS VERY LITTLE GRAY LEFT.
10:20:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:20:32AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES WE NEED TO DO
SOMETHING REGARDING THIS.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE THE EXCEPTION RATHER THAT THE RULE.
WE SHOULD NOT END UP HAVING THE MAJORITY OF CASES BE PDs.
ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE -- AND HOPEFULLY THE
COMMITTEE WILL ADDRESS THIS.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PD IS NOT AN ENTITLEMENT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE IT SO IT IS NOT THE BASIS FOR A
LAWSUIT.
IF SOMEONE WANTS TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THE EXISTING
LAND USE, THE EXPECTATION I ALWAYS SAY THE EXPECTATION OF AN
ENTITLEMENT IS NOT AN ENTITLEMENT.
TAKE OUT THE ABILITY TO SUE BECAUSE OF IT.
THE MEDIA TEAMS SLANDERS US AND SAY THESE BIG, BAD PEOPLE
DIDN'T APPROVE THE EXPECTATION OF AN ENTITLEMENT BECAUSE THE
DEVELOPER WANTED IT.
NOT ENTITLED.
YOU BUY A PROPERTY WITH THE ENTITLEMENT ON IT.
IF YOU HOPE TO CHANGE IT, THAT IS THE PROCESS.
BUT THERE IS A PROCESS WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
ANY WAY TO TAKE OUT THE ABILITY OF A LAWSUIT.
OTHER INTERESTING THING IS THE REVERSE OF IT THOUGH FLIPSIDE
OF THE PDs.
BECAUSE IT IS A PD YOU CAN'T CHANGE MUCH AND IT IS TRAPPED
AND DOESN'T AFFECT MOST PEOPLE FROM 20 TO 30 YEARS BUT FUN
SEEING THE OTHER SIDE OF IT WHEN THEY HAVE TO GET OUT OF
THAT SITUATION SOMETIMES THEY IN EFFECT DOWNZONE CREATING
A PD AND THEY SAY THAT IS NOT OUR FOUGHT.
WE DIDN'T MEAN TO DO THAT.
OBLIGATION AND LIABILITY TO GIVE US WHATEVER WE WANT.
THIS IS YOUR OBLIGATION TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ENTITLEMENTS
ARE.
10:22:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I PROBABLY WANT TO OFF THIS DAIS A
BRIEFING FROM LEGAL.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT EITHER.
HOW WE CAN DENY A PD AND SOMEBODY CAN BE GO THROUGH THE
LEGAL PROCESS AND SUE US BASED ON A DENIAL OF A PD WHEN THEY
HAVE TO GET APPROVAL.
THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A CHANGE OF APPROVAL.
COUNTER INTUITIVE TO ME.
SO THAT IS INTERESTING WE ARE PUT IN THAT SITUATION THAT WE
DENY A PD WHICH SHOULD BE AN EXCEPTION AND HOW IN THE WORLD
WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT DEFENDABLE BY OUR LEGAL
STAFF.
10:22:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HURTAK, CARLSON.
10:22:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AVENUE QUESTION FOR -- BECAUSE THAT IS A VERY
GOOD POINT.
THE PDs THAT ARE THERE.
SAY SOMEBODY HAD SOMETHING THEY PDED IN THE '80s AND READY
TO REDEVELOP.
AND WE HAVE THE NEW LAND DEVELOPMENT OF DEVELOPMENT CODE IN
PLACE.
A WAY TO BACKTRACK THROUGH EUCLIDIAN.
10:23:07AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ABBYE FEELEY.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO REZONE TO A EUCLIDIAN.
YOU CAN REZONE -- WE HAVE REZONED PDs TO EUCLIDIAN DISTRICT.
WE CAN DO THAT.
10:23:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BUT A BIG PROCESS?
10:23:24AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
NO.
YOU BRING IN THE SURVEY.
AND YOU MAKE THE REQUEST.
AS LONG AS YOU MEET THE MINIMUM -- IT IS LIKE I THINK THE
FEE IS $1,000 AND THEY CAN GO BACK.
YOU CAN DO THAT TODAY.
YOU CAN GO FROM PD TO RM-4.
PD TO CG.
AS LONG AS THAT UNDER LYING LAND USE SUPPORTS THE EUCLIDIAN
DISTRICT YOU ARE REQUESTING STORE.
10:23:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS KIND OF WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WITH
THE NEW LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
INCENTIVIZING PEOPLE WHO HAVE A PD AND WHO ARE READY TO
REDEVELOP TO SAY, OH, WE DON'T NEED A PD.
WAY MORE EXPENSE TESTIFY TO BE A PD IF WE STICK WITH THE
EUCLIDIAN WILL BE ALL GOOD.
THIS IS HOW I KNOW THAT OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WORKS IF
THEY SAY, OH, I WOULD RATHER DO EUCLIDIAN.
I CAN GET MORE AND I DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH THIS GIANT
PROCESS OF PD.
I THINK THAT MAKES IT TO THE POINT.
10:24:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT DO WE CHARGE FOR PDs?
REIMBURSING FOR THE AMOUNT OF STAFF AND TIME?
10:24:22AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
WE ARE IN A FEE STUDY ON THAT RIGHT NOW.
10:24:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ON PDs THEMSELVES?
10:24:31AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I MEAN IN ALL LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE -- AND
HISTORIC PRESERVATION DONE BY RAFTELIS AND WE ARE MEETING
WITH THEM.
AN JC'S TEAM ALSO.
JC'S TEAM, DENNIS FERNANDEZ'S TEAM, WE WILL ALL HAVE THAT
INFORMATION.
WANT TO TELL YOU THAT MARCH 3 IS THE MEETING FOR LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE AT HANNA.
THAT IS OKAY.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT CORRECTED.
BUT ALSO MARCH 6, CLARION IS SCHEDULED RIGHT NOW FEBRUARY 6.
BECAUSE WE ARE MOVING THE PUBLIC MEETING TO MARCH 3, ASK
THAT CLARION COME TO YOU ON MARCH 6 TO PROVIDE A BRIEF
PRESENTATION.
I BELIEVE ABOUT 10 TO 12 MINUTES ON AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE
ARE IN THAT PROCESS AS WE NOW HAVE THE ASSESSMENT AND THEY
PUBLIC ASSESSMENT OUT AT THAT TIME AND HAVE FEEDBACK ON
THAT.
AS WE GO INTO THE NEXT PHASE WHICH WILL BE THE CODE WRITING.
AND THAT WILL COME IN INSTALLMENTS AND WE HAVE A 1400-PAGE
LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE RIGHT NOW TO REWRITE AND UPDATE SO
THAT IS GOING TO COME BACK IN INSTALLMENTS FOR REVIEW AND
COMMENTS.
NOT TO EVER GIVE SOMEBODY BACK A WHOLE CODE WHERE THEY WILL
HAVE TO LOOK EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE.
10:25:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
10:25:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NOTHING FURTHER.
GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYBODY HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 3?
PLEASE COME ON UP AND STATE YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
GOOD MORNING.
10:26:05AM >> GOOD MORNING, SANDRA SANCHEZ.
I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU ALL --
10:26:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WATCH YOUR STEP THERE.
10:26:13AM >> EXCUSE ME?
10:26:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
STEPHANIE WAS COMING UP.
10:26:19AM >> I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ THE DRAFT AVAILABLE TO
YOU ONLINE TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IT IS LENGTHY.
IT'S BORING.
IT IS REDUNDANT.
BUT NEVERTHELESS, IT WILL GIVE YOU AN IDEA WHAT DIRECTION
THAT THEY ARE TAKING.
ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WILL BE ESPECIALLY INTERESTING TO YOU
IS HOW THEY WANT TO CONSOLIDATE STAFF-LEVEL DECISION MAKING
AND GIVING AUTHORITY TO OTHER PEOPLE OTHER THAN YOU.
I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT IN YOUR SPARE TIME, YOU DON'T HAVE
TO READ IT ALL IN ONE TIME.
I READ IT IN BITS AND PIECES.
IMPORTANT THAT YOU START LOOKING AT THE THINGS COMING UP SO
YOU ARE NOT BOMBARDED BY IT ALL ONE TIME.
ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST.
AS FAR AS GOING EUCLIDIAN, SOUNDS LIKE A WONDERFUL IDEA.
MOST EUCLIDIAN DOES NOT REQUIRE SITE PLAN TO BE PRESENTED TO
YOU ALL.
THINK OF THAT TOO.
10:27:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, MA'AM.
10:27:16AM >> GOOD MORNING, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
YOU KNOW WHAT, I AM TIRED.
I WAS TIRED LAST NIGHT AND CRANKY.
AND I WAS PRETTY STINKY NASTY TO A DEVELOPER.
I OWE THEM AN APOLOGY.
I AM TIRED.
HERE IN 2019 WHEN I STARTED COMING HERE.
I WOULD BRING LOTS OF PEOPLE LIKE ME.
NOT LIKE THE CROWD WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TONIGHT, BUT I WOULD
BRING PEOPLE TO ME.
WE HAD A NICE CROWD.
WE HAD A LARGE GROUP OF NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS WHO WORKED VERY
HARD ON THIS.
I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FIVE YEARS NOW.
JUST ME AND CARROLL ANNE NOW.
YOU KNOW WHY?
BECAUSE WE ARE TIRED.
BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE LIVES.
AND NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS ARE STUCK DRIPPING, DRUG IN HERE
OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
THE HEARING TONIGHT, FOUR, FIVE -- I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY
TIMES WE HAVE BEEN HERE FOR THE SAME STINKING PROJECT.
AND WE WASTE EVERYONE'S TIME DOING IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
WE HAVE ANOTHER PROBLEM THAT IS MORE AND MORE APPARENT TO ME
ALL THE TIME.
WE LIVE SOUTH OF GANDY.
WE HAVE DOUBLED OUR DWELLING UNITS.
I HAVEN'T SEEN THE NUMBERS FOR THIS LAST YEAR.
WENT FROM 9,000 UNITS TO 20,000 UNITS SINCE THE LAST
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT LOOK LIKE THIS YEAR.
MY BUDDY AT THE GIS, WE HAVEN'T CONTACTED HIM YET TO SEE HOW
MANY MORE DWELLING UNITS WE HAVE.
ONE OF THE OTHER PROBLEMS -- THIS IS WHAT DEVELOPERS DO,
THEY COME IN HERE AND SAY YOU LET ALL THESE PEOPLE DO IT.
THIS ONE, THIS ONE, THIS ONE.
YOU LET THEM DO IT.
WE ALL SHOULD GET TO DO IT TOO.
AT ONE POINT DO WE SAY, OKAY, UP, WE ARE GOOD.
WHEN I GOT DEVELOPERS CALLING ME TELLING ME THEY DON'T WANT
TO BUILD APARTMENTS ANYMORE SOUTH OF GHANDI AND THEY WOULD
LIKE TO CHANGE SOMETHING UP.
GUESS WHAT, THAT TELLS ME IT IS FULL.
THAT TELLS ME THEY CAN'T RENT ALL THE CRAP THEY ALREADY
BUILT WHICH I THINK IS LOVELY.
I ENJOY RUBBING THEIR NOSES IN IT.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT ALL OF YOU COUNCIL SHOULD BE
WATCHING THESE MEETINGS.
I KNOW THE VIDEOTAPE -- BOTH OF THE MEETINGS -- ALL THREE OF
THE MEETINGS.
I -- I ONLY ATTENDED ONE.
AND -- AND I AM WITH COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN -- LIKE I SAID I
AM TIRED.
I AM TOTALLY WITH HIM.
WHY -- IF YOU ARE ASKING FOR AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE.
WHY THE HELL DO YOU GET TO SUE BECAUSE YOU DON'T GET WHAT
YOU WANT, BUT IT WASN'T YOUR RIGHT ANYWAY.
I DON'T GET IT.
AND -- THIS IS THE THING THAT ALWAYS BEFUDDLES ME.
MOST OF THESE PEOPLE WHO COME IN HERE CRYING THE BLUES AND
THEY WANT TO DO THIS WITH THIS PROPERTY, THEY DON'T EVEN OWN
THAT PROPERTY.
THEY DON'T EVEN OWN THE PROPERTY.
THINK ABOUT THAT.
THEY WANT TO CHANGE THE RULES FOR THE PROPERTY BEFORE THEY
BUY IT.
YOU KNOW WHAT, IF YOU WEREN'T PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE
PROPERTY TO START WITH, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD WHAT YOU
WANT.
10:30:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:30:27AM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
LOOK, I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY HOW WE GOT
HERE AND YOUR SEEING SO MANY PDs.
MOST OF THE CASES USED TO COME BEFORE YOU WERE EUCLIDIAN.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS THAT NOT JUST THIS COUNCIL, BUT OTHER
COUNCIL BILLS ADDED REQUIREMENTS ON TO THE EUCLIDIAN ZONINGS
DISTRICTS OR ADDED THEM INTO THE TECHNICAL STANDARDS.
AND THEY REQUIRE WAIVERS.
YOU CAN'T GET THERE WITHOUT COMING BACK BEFORE YOU IF YOU
WANT HIGHER DENSITY THROUGH A LAND USE AMENDMENT YOU HAVE A
THE DESIGNATION OF R-0 FOR 20 UNITS TO THE ACRE.
YOU ONLY GET 18 UNITS TO THE ACRE ON THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS
UNLESS WE COME TO YOU.
AND ASK FOR THE INCREASE IN DENSITY.
WE HAVE -- AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF
NONCONFORMANCIES CREATED IN 1987.
USED TO HAVE A PROCESS CALLED THE 80% RULE THAT YOU DID AWAY
WITH.
AND CHANGE IT TO A SPECIAL USE HEARING AND YOU GOT AWAY WITH
THAT.
EVERYTHING BEFORE THAT WAS ADMINISTRATIVE OR SPECIAL USE WAS
ELIMINATED, AND NOW ALL SHIFTS TO PDs.
EVERY BIT OF IT.
SO A LOT OF THAT WAS BASED ON COUNCIL ACTION THAT, YOU KNOW,
PEOPLE COMING BEFORE YOU HAD TO FOLLOW A PROCESS.
AND THE ONLY PROCESS LEFT WAS PD.
IT IS NOT AN ENTITLEMENT -- AND I WOULD STRESS THAT ANY
PETITIONER WHO COMES BEFORE IS YOU FOR PERMISSION AND NOT AN
ENTITLEMENT AND ASKING FOR AN EXCEPTION BASED ON A HARDSHIP
WHICH IS OUR OBLIGATION TO TELL YOU WHAT THAT HARDSHIP IS,
AND WHY WE CAN'T DO A EUCLIDIAN ZONING.
I HAD CASES IS THAT GO STRAIGHT EUCLIDEAN.
I HAD SOME THAT WERE PDs THAT WOULD TAKE BACK TO EUCLIDIAN,
AND THE CURRENT CODES ARE NOT HELPFUL OR SYMPATHETIC TO
BUILDING STRAIGHT PDs.
IT IS AN EXCEPTION NOW FOR -- FOR EUCLIDIANS OPPOSED TO THE
RULE AS YOU KNOW COUNCILMAN SITTING THROUGH THE THREE-HOUR
MEETING WE DID LAST WEEK.
SOME OF THE STUFF WILL GET CORRECTED.
BUT THERE WILL STILL BE GAPS WHERE YOU NEED A SAFETY VALVES
AND THE PDs WILL BE A SAFETY VALVE.
WHAT HAS BECOME A SAFETY VALVE BECOME THE NORM.
IT CAN ABOUT A NORM BECAUSE YOU ALL AND THE STAFF HAVE ADDED
REGULATIONS.
YOU CAN'T GET PAST THEM.
YOU CAN'T HAVE A NUMBER OF WAIVERS.
NOT REAL STOCK BEEN TO THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD FOR SMALLER
PROJECTS FOR FOUR OR FIVE WAIVERS THAT CAN'T BE WAIVED BY
EVERYONE BUT YOU.
VEHICULAR ACCESS CAN ONLY BE WAIVED BY YOU.
SO THE FINANCIAL CONSEQUENCES ARE EX-
URGE YOU WORKING WITH STAFF AND WORKING WITH YOU ALL TO COME
UP WITH SOME METHODOLOGY THAT HELPS.
10:33:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
10:33:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU CAN STAY THERE, MR. MICHELINI, IF YOU
WOULD LIKE.
I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, BUT WE HAVE A PROCESS FOR
ALVAREZ REQUESTS.
YOU CAN GO THROUGH THAT.
THIS IS WHAT -- THIS IS WHAT I FINDS HAPPENS, ESPECIALLY IN
SOME OF THESE MORE COMPLEX SITUATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE
MULTIPLE VARIABLES.
IT IS VERY DIFFICULT BEFORE THIS ONE PRESENTATION BEFORE THE
SEVEN OF US TO VET THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT VARIABLES.
IF YOU DENT THROUGH A MORE APPROPRIATE CITY -- WENT THROUGH
A MORE APPROPRIATE CITY APPROACH -- OR VARIANCE REQUEST.
THESE ARE LOOKED INTO FOR DETAILS AND EVERY ONE OF THESE
THINGS LIKE YOU SAID STREET ACCESS AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS
REALLY BEING VETTED OUT.
SO WHY -- I MEAN -- IF WE JUST MADE IT TOO EASY TO GET A PD
RATHER THAN A VARIANCE, LET'S SAY FOR -- YOU WANT TO DO
SOMETHING.
AND YOU LACK SIX INCHES.
YOU KNOW, WHICH IS SILLY.
OBVIOUSLY A NO BRAINER.
BUT IF WE MADE IT TOO EASY TO DO THAT VIA PD VERSUS GETTING
A VARIANCE.
WHY IS EVERYBODY GOING FOR A PD INSTEAD OF A VARIANCE?
10:34:56AM >> FIRST OF ALL, THE PD IS NOT AN EASY ROUTE.
14 DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE FULLY ENGAGED IN THE SITE PLAN.
AND EARLIER, THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS REALLY LIKED PDs
BECAUSE WHAT WAS ON THAT PLAN IS WHAT YOU GET.
AND AS ONE OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS POINTED OUT, YOU DON'T GET
IT TO CHANGE IT.
THERE ARE VERY SMALL INCREMENTS YOU CAN MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS
ON AT ALL.
AND IT IS LIMITED BY CODE.
AS I SAID, THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, THE PROCESS OF GET TO WHERE
YOU WANTED TO BE OR THROUGHOUT VARIANCE APPROVAL HAS BEEN
REVIEWED.
WE PUSHED ALL OF THESE THINGS SO THAT THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE
LEFT IS A PK.
SO YOU ARE GET WHAT THIS COUNCIL AND OTHER COUNCILS ASKED
FOR.
10:35:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THAT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT?
THAT THE ONLY OPTION IS A PD.
IS THAT A TRUE STATEMENT?
THAT THE ONLY PATH IS A PD VERSUS OTHER LEGAL PROCEDURES?
10:36:01AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ABBYE FEELEY.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT TO BE THE CASE.
YOU ASKED MR. MICHELINI ON HIS OPINION.
I WAS LETTING HIM FINISH.
IN TERMS OF WHAT -- YOU KNOW WHAT OUR STAFF DOES A COUPLE OF
THINGS.
YOU KNOW A VARIANCE YOU CAN NOT USE A VARIANCE FOR A
SUBSTANDARD LOT.
YOU CAN NOT.
AND SO SOME OF THE PDs YOU SEE ARE 48-FOOT LOTS AND
SPLITTING TO BE 49-AND-A-HALF-FOOT LOTS.
THOSE HAVE TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL.
BECAUSE AS MR. MICHELINI MENTIONED THE 80% RULE IS NO MORE.
SO THAT HAS TO BE -- I THINK THE DIFFERENTIAL IN LOOKING AT
THIS.
AND PLEASE REMEMBER, I SERVED ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS DAIS.
I REPRESENTED PEOPLE WHO COME TO YOU FOR PDs.
VARIANCES ARE A HARDSHIP REVIEW.
A SET OF CRITERIA THAT REQUIRE THAT YOU PROVE A HARDSHIP.
A VARIANCE -- A PD IS A COMPATIBILITY REVIEW.
IT HAS A SET OF CRITERIA THAT REQUIRES YOU DEMONSTRATE
COMPATIBILITY.
SO I THINK A LOT OF APPLICANTS CHOOSE TO COME BEFORE YOU AND
SEEK TO PROVE COMPATIBILITY BEFORE GOING TO THE BOARD TO
PROVE A HARDSHIP.
THAT BEING SAID, THERE ARE ALSO MINOR MODIFICATIONS AND
DESIGN EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA WHERE
YOU CAN GET PIECE WHAT WAS YOU NEED, BUT THE MOST HOLISTIC
WAY TO COME TO YOU VET ALL OF THE THINGS YOU JUST MENTIONED
IS USE A SITE CONTROL PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
THAT BEING SAID, YOU RAISED A VERY GOD POLICY IN THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND OFTEN USED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION
WHEN A PROJECT HAS TEETERED PAST THAT POINT OF -- NOT THE
MECHANISM FOR WAIVING EVERY CODE.
AND I THINK THAT GOES BACK TO THE ONUS ON THE APPLICANT
IMPROVING TO YOU THAT IT IS COMPATIBLE AND PERHAPS BY
ISSUING 12 WAIVERS, IT IS NOT COMPATIBILITY.
I THINK THAT PRESENTATION COMES TO YOU.
THERE IS SUPPOSED TO BE A NARRATIVE WITH THOSE PDs WHEN THEY
ARE FILED THAT SHOWS THAT.
AND HERE IS WHY THE LAST PIECE TO THAT THOUGH IS THAT WE
HAVE SEEN MANY OF OUR CODES, OUR SUBURBAN CODES, THAT DO NOT
ALLOW FOR THE BALANCE OF DEVELOPMENT TO COME IN A WAY THAT
CAN SATISFY THOSE CODES.
I WON'T SAY REGULATIONS THAT THIS COUNCIL AND STAFF HAS PUT
IN PLACE THAT MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR SOMETHING TO GO UNDER
A EUCLIDIAN DISTRICT.
350 SQUARE FOOT OF GREEN SPACE.
WHEN YOU TRY TO FIT ALL OF THAT IN THE VERY SMALL LOTS OR
SMALLER LOTS THAT WE HAVE AND STILL GET A CERTAIN NUMBER OF
UNITS, IT IS A CHALLENGE BUT IT IS STILL COMING TO YOU UNDER
AN UMBRELLA OF COMPATIBILITY AND THE BOARD NEED TO LOOK AT
YOU AND SAY IS THIS COMPATIBILITY.
NINE CRITERIAS UNDER THE PDs.
HAS BEEN A WHILE SINCE I PROCESSED ONE MYSELF.
SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL HAS TO AGREE.
YOU PIE A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND AN ENTITLEMENT ON IT
PARAMETERS THAT YOU NEED TO DO THAT IF YOU COME BEFORE THIS
BOARD.
AND THAT IS THE CASE WE NEED TO SHOW YOU VERSUS GOING
THROUGH THE VARIANCE AND PROVING A HARDSHIP THAT I FEEL
PEOPLE JUST DON'T TAKE THAT ROUTE.
BECAUSE IT IS A HARDER ROUTE.
AND THERE ARE CRITERIA WITH BOTH.
BUT I ALSO HOPE WITH THE CODE UPDATE, THESE CRITERIA AND
PROCESSES AND SOME OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE PRESENTED
TO YOU ARE MODERNIZED IN A WAY THAT IS REFLECTED OF OUR CITY
AND HOW WE SEEK TO GROW IN THE FUTURE.
10:40:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT.
10:40:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:40:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO WHAT I RECOMMEND WE ALL DO IS AS WE ARE
LOOKING TO SOME OF THESE PDs AS IT FORWARD.
TO CREATE A LIST OF THINGS YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT SO WHEN
YOU ARE LOOKING.
I ALSO RECOMMEND MISS SANCHEZ'S RECOMMENDATION OF READING.
RIGHT NOW, IT IS ONLY AN ASSESSMENT OF OUR CODE.
RIGHT.
THEY HAVEN'T DONE ACTUAL WRITE ORGANIZE REWRITING BUT AN
ASSESSMENT OF WHAT IS NOT WORKING BASICALLY.
SO -- OR WHAT IS WORKING.
THEY KIND OF LOOK AT THAT -- BUT -- BUT, YES, I WILL
RECOMMEND KIND OF KEEPING A LIST.
JUST THINKING ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS THAT -- THAT MISS
FEELEY BROUGHT UP.
HOW COULD WE -- WHAT DO WE WANT TO SEE CHANGED.
THAT IS MY RECOMMENDATION FOR EVERYONE.
10:41:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. SHELBY.
10:41:02AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
A COUPLE OF THINGS TOP.
TO FOLLOW UP ON COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK REGARDING CHANGES YOU
WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
I AM GOING TO ASK YOU TO BE MINDFUL OF THE FACT WHEN IT
COMES DOWN TO WHAT YOU SEE, IT IS ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.
YOU HAVE THE CRITERIA IN THE CODE AS IT EXISTS TODAY UPON
WHICH YOU MUST BASE YOUR DECISION AS TEMPTS AS IT IS DURING
A HEARING TO SAY I DISAGREE WITH WHAT THE CODE SAYS, I
DISAGREE WITH THE POLICY AND THEREFORE I AM NOT GOING TO
VOTE FOR IT ARE ASKING FOR -- IS INVITING CHALLENGES.
TIME GOING TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE REMAIN MINDFUL WHEN YOU HEAR
THESE THINGS, PLEASE REMAIN MINDFUL.
PARTICULARLY OF WAIVERS.
TWO-PAGE PD CRITERIA.
BURDEN FOR WAIVERS IS UPON THE APPLICANT AND THE QUESTION
IS, DOES CITY COUNCIL WEIGH THAT AND SAY IF THE APPLICANT
HAS MET THEIR -- THEIR BURDEN TO JUSTIFY THE WAIVER.
AND I THINK MISS FEELEY BRINGS UP THE EXCELLENT POINT.
THE WAIVER CRITERIA IS DIFFERENT THAN THE VARIOUS CRITERIA
AND INDICATES SHE IS VERY ACCURATE IN HER ASSESSMENT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKE TAMPA UNIQUE IN MY EXPERIENCE IS
MOST MUNICIPALITIES HAVE PLANNING BOARDS WHICH IS THE FIRST
TIME SOMEBODY WOULD ACTUALLY -- AN APPLICANT WOULD HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A PRESENTATION -- THE NEIGHBORHOODS
WOULD HAVE THE PRESENTATION.
THEN THEY WOULD HAVE A HEARING TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY BASED
ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING BOARD FOR AN
ASSESSMENT BEFORE IT COMES TO YOU.
THE WAY THINGS STRUCTURED HISTORICALLY WITH TAMPA AS AN OLD
CITY, THEY HAVE A SPECIAL ACT THAT CREATED THE CITY-COUNTY
PLANNING COMMISSION NOT A PLANNING COMMISSION OF TAMPA
PEOPLE, BUT HAS PEOPLE FROM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, TEMPLE
TERRACE AND PLANT CITY WHO MAY NOT KNOW ABOUT TAMPA PER SE.
WITH REGARDS TO ZONINGS, EUCLIDIAN REZONINGS IN PARTICULAR,
THE PLANNING COMMISSION -- THE STAFF DOESN'T REVIEW THOSE
BUT DOES IT WITH COMPATIBILITY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND EXECUTION ME.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES NOT HEAR THOSE REZONINGS.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES NOT MARY THAT.
IT IS A PROCESS.
BUT I WILL ASK COUNCIL TO REMAIN MINDFUL THAT I AM GLAD YOU
ARE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION IN THIS VENUE AT THIS TIME WITH
NOTHING IN MONTH OF YOU.
AND YOU JUST -- NOTHING IN FRONT OF YOU.
BUT YOU HAVE TO GIVE INVESTMENT IN FOLLOWING THE PROCESS
THAT EXISTS NOW TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE MAKING THE BEST AND
LEGALLY ENFORCEABLE DECISIONS THAT YOU MAKE.
10:43:44AM >> IF I CAN FINISH ONE MORE STATEMENT.
YOU HAVE LAYERS AND LAYERS --
10:43:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PUBLIC COMMENT IS DONE.
10:43:51AM >> I WAS STILL RESPONDING TO THE COUNCILMAN BEFORE WE
ENTERED INTO OTHER DISCUSSIONS?
JUST 30 SECONDS IS ALL I AM ASKING FOR.
I STILL HAD TIME LEFT ON MY CLOCK --
10:44:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HOW MUCH TIME DID HE HAVE LEFT ON HIS
CLOCK?
30 SECONDS.
10:44:10AM >> I WAS GOING TO SAY YOU HAVE LAYERS AND LAYERS OF
REGULATIONS.
IF ONE OF THEM REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL, IT DOESN'T
MAKE ANY SENSE TO GO TO A VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD BECAUSE THEN
YOU HAVE TWO SEPARATE DIFFERENT TYPES OF HEARINGS.
SO ANYWAY, HOPEFULLY IN THE UPDATE OF THE CODE, A LOT OF
THESE THINGS WILL BE ELIMINATE SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE
COMING TO YOU FOR PERMISSION.
AND THEY COULD BE RESOLVED EITHER ADMINISTRATIVELY AND A
RECOMMENDATION IN THERE ALSO FOR A HEARING OFFICER THAT WILL
HELP TO STREAMLINE THE PROCESS.
10:44:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ITEM NUMBER 4.
DESIGN EXCEPTIONS.
WHO WISHES TO KICK IT OFF?
THERE IS A MEMO FROM MR. ERIC COTTON.
ANYTHING TO ADD?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:45:02AM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST REAL QUICK.
I THINK THIS IDEA CAME FROM SANDY SANCHEZ AND SOME OF THE
COMMUNITY PEOPLE.
BUT THE IDEA WAS THAT AFTER CITY DESIGN EXCEPTIONS AFTER
CITY COUNCIL HAS ALREADY APPROVED SOMETHING.
SO THE COMMUNITY THINKS THEY WEIGHED IN ON IT.
CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AND DESIGN EXCEPTIONS AFTERWARDS.
SO THE QUESTION IS, HOW IS THAT HANDLED.
AND SHOULD -- ARE THERE ANY LOOPHOLES THAT WE SHOULD CAP.
10:45:32AM >>ERIC COTTON:
ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
DESIGN EXCEPTIONS ARE ALLOWED THROUGH THE CODE AND PART OF
THE TEXT AMENDMENT CYCLE I WILL BE PRESENTING AFTER THIS
DISCUSSION.
THE -- MOST OF THE DEBT SEEN EXCEPTIONS AS STATED IN THE
MEMO PROCESSED OVER THE PAST TWO OR THREE YEARS HAVE BEEN
FOR SIGNAGE.
MIDTOWN IS APPROVED AS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT BY COUNCIL.
AT THE TIME THEY WERE BEING APPROVED, THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHO
WOULD BE IN MIDTOWN.
AND THEY CAME IN AND ASKED TO MOVE SIGNAGE AROUND OF WHO
THEY ARE RELEASING IT.
THE OTHER THING WE WILL GET AFTER A DESIGN -- AFTER THE PD
IS APPROVED AND PEOPLE ARE IN THE FIELD GETTING READY TO
DEVELOP SOMETHING.
THEY NEED -- CODE REQUIRES BETWEEN USE AS MASONRY WALL.
PEOPLE COME IN AND SAY CAN I DO A PVC FENCE INSTEAD OF A
MASONRY WALL.
THESE ARE KIND OF DESIGN EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE BEING PROCESSED
BY CITY STAFF.
THEY DON'T REQUIRE NOTICE.
THE ONLY ONES THAT REQUIRE NOTICE IS SETBACK REDUCTIONS.
AND DE 2 WILL BE UP LIKE IN NEW TAMPA BECAUSE THERE IS A
LARGER -- MOST OF NEW TAMPA HAS THIS DEVELOPED.
HUNTERS GREEN IS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
LANGUAGE IN THE CODE THAT ALLOW INDIVIDUAL LOTS IN A
LARGER PD TO COME IN FOR A VARIANCE.
THE PREVIOUS -- LONG BEFORE ME INTERPRETED THAT TO INCLUDE
AN ADMINISTRATIVE VARIANCE IN THE DESIGN EXCEPTION PROCESS.
BUT, AGAIN, IN THE AMENDMENT COMING THROUGH LANGUAGE
AMENDING THE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS CRITERIA.
10:47:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IF NOT, GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
WILL YOU BE ECONOMIC MEANT ON THIS ITEM.
ITEM 4.
COUNCILMAN.
10:47:22AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SANDY, DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING
ON THIS ONE?
MISS SANCHEZ, THIS IS YOUR IDEA, I THINK.
WHAT --
10:47:33AM >> ARE YOU TALKING TO MOO ME?
10:47:35AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS IS ON THE DESIGN EXCEPTION AFTER THE
APPROVAL.
SO ARE THERE -- ARE THERE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES.
10:47:41AM >> I AM SORRY, I DON'T REMEMBER MANAGING THAT REQUEST.
10:47:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
STATE YOUR NAME.
10:47:48AM >> I DON'T REMEMBER MANAGING THAT REQUEST.
I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH MIDTOWN OR NORTH TAMPA.
10:47:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
10:47:56AM >> SANDRA DIEGO SANCHEZ.
10:47:59AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT YESTERDAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING
ELSE.
10:48:04AM >> I WAS TALKING OF NUMBER 4, DESIGN EXCEPTIONS.
BUT I HAVE NEVER MADE THAT REQUEST, BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW
THAT WAS AN ISSUE QUITE HONESTLY.
10:48:13AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
10:48:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY ELSE FROM PUBLIC COMMENT?
YES, SIR.
10:48:16AM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
I THINK THAT THE DESIGN EXCEPTION ISSUES WERE FULLY VETTED
WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE CITY STAFF.
SO I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANYTHING ELSE.
ERIC SAID THEY ARE COMING BACK TO YOU UNDER THE REVISION.
10:48:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ITEM NUMBER 5.
WAIT GO -- WAIT, WAIT, YES, MA'AM.
ARE YOU GOING TO SPEAK ON ITEM 4?
10:48:43AM >> 4.
I AM SO CONFUSED.
OKAY.
10:48:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THEY ARE NUMBERED.
PUBLIC COMMENT FOR 4.
10:48:50AM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
10:48:52AM >> ARE YOU ON --
10:48:54AM >> WE ARE ON NUMBER 4.
ARE YOU CONFUSED?
I LOVE HER.
BUT -- I -- I THOUGHT SHE WAS CONFUSED.
WE ARE ON DESIGN EXCEPTIONS.
10:49:06AM >> WANT TO SPEAK ON NUMBER 5.
10:49:11AM >> OKAY.
10:49:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:49:15AM >> OKAY.
THE -- THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE WITH THE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS WAS
THAT -- THAT THEY WERE COMING IN AFTER THE FACT.
AND SO -- AND ALSO, THAT THEY WERE CHANGING THINGS, BUT I
THINK WE MOVED THOSE AROUND NOW.
AND IT MAY BE THAT BE IT CHANGED TO DEGREE.
I AM SURE SANDY WILL TALK ABOUT THAT MORE.
BUT I THINK THAT -- I THINK WE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO WHAT
NOTICED PUBLICLY AND WHAT IS NOT NOTICED PUBLICLY AND I
THINK THAT IS TAKEN CARE OF.
AND I THOUGHT SANDY HAD NOR SAY TOO.
ARE.
10:49:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
IF THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEM NUMBER 4, WE WILL GO
TO ITEM NUMBER 5.
ITEM NUMBER 5 IS FOR STAFF TO PRESENT THE CONSENSUAL AMOUNTS
FOR THE JULY 2024 TEXT AMENDMENT CYCLE, TAMPA LAND
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION AMENDMENTS.
THERE IS A PRESENTATION.
MR. COTTON, IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND KICK IT OFF, WE CAN
BRING THE PRESENTATION ON THE SCREEN.
10:50:13AM >>ERIC COTTON:
I WILL TAKE IT OFF THE SCREEN NOW.
ERIC COTTON, LAND DEVELOPMENT.
JULY TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT WERE POSTPONED AFTER HELENE AND
MILTON SORT OF MESSED UP OUR SCHEDULE AND WE ARE BACK ON
TRACK WITH THE TEXT AMENDMENT.
MOST LIKE STAFF'S FIRST APPEARANCE BEFORE CITY COUNCIL
PENDING THE CHANGES TO THE CODE.
I WILL GO BACK TO THIS ONE RIGHT NOW.
10:50:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE WILL USE THE OVERHEAD PROJECTOR.
10:50:43AM >>ERIC COTTON:
A COUPLE OF TEXT AMENDMENTS.
THREE INITIATED BY CITY COUNCIL.
NINE INITIATED BY STAFF.
THE TEXT AMENDMENTS INITIATED BY CITY COUNCIL WERE 27-16
WHICH IS THE REVIEW PROCEDURES.
AND DANA MAY CHIME IN ON THIS ONCE WE GET TO THE ACTUAL
LANGUAGE.
27-150, WHAT HAPPENS AFTER A PD IS DENIED BY CITY COUNCIL OR
REZONING.
RIGHT NOW THE CITY -- ZONING ADMINISTRATION HAS THE ABILITY
TO WAIVE THE 12-MONTH CRITERIA AND GO BEFORE COUNCIL.
THE LAST ONE COUNCILMAN HENDERSON'S MOTION FOR THE LARGE FOR
MAT SIGNS.
PART OF THIS CYCLE BUT NOT PART OF MY PRESENTATION.
10:51:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ITEM 6.
10:51:31AM >> YOU CALL ME A MAN?
10:51:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SHE SAID MISS.
10:51:38AM >>ERIC COTTON:
I CORRECTED MYSELF, MISS HENDERSON.
10:51:40AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IT'S OKAY.
10:51:41AM >>ERIC COTTON:
27-61 WHICH IS THE REVIEW PROCESS.
STAFF AND COUNSEL HAS BEEN BEFORE COUNCIL ON THIS REQUEST.
RIGHT NOW IS A FORMAL DETERMINATION OF THE ZONING
ADMINISTRATOR.
THAT GOES TO THE HEARING OFFICER FIRST.
THE HEARING OFFICERS HEARS THE EVIDENCE, TAKES ABOUT 15
DAYS, WRITES A WRITTEN ORDER THAT GOES BEFORE CITY COUNCIL
FOR A DETERMINATION OF WHETHER COUNCIL IS OPPOSING OR NOT.
OR OVERTURNS THE HEARING OFFICER.
MOTION BY COUNCIL WHEN THEY DIRECTED STAFF TO AMEND THIS WAS
TO REMOVE THE HEARING OFFICER FROM THE PROCESS.
FORMAL DECISION INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH THE HEARING OFFICER
PROCESS WILL GO DIRECTLY TO CITY COUNCIL ON AN APPEAL.
THESE ARE JUST -- THIS IS NOT THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE FOR THIS
AT THIS POINT.
WE ARE JUST GOING THROUGH.
27-150 RIGHT NOW -- IF SOMEBODY COMES BEFORE CITY COUNCIL
AND THEY ARE DENIED, AND THEY -- THEY HAVE THE ABILITY --
UNDER CODE, THEY HAVE TO WAIT 12 MONTHS, BUT THEY HAVE THE
ABILITY TO COME BEFORE A ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND ADDRESS
THE BASIS FOR THE DENIAL.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, I AM A DEVELOPER.
I APPLY TO REZONE A PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR TOWN HOMES.
AND THROUGH THAT PROCESS, ASK FOR A PARKING WAIVER AND
REDUCTION IN GREEN SPACE.
I THEN COME BACK AND RESUBMIT A PLAN TO THE ZONING OFFICE.
AND I ASK TO SAY, HEY, I ELIMINATED A UNIT.
SO NOW I -- I DON'T NEED A PARKING WAIVER.
AND I DON'T NEED THE GREEN SPACE WAIVER.
IN WOULD ALLOW ME AS A Z.A. TO WRITE A LETTER TO SAY YES,
YOU ADDRESSED THE BASIS DENIAL BY CITY COUNCIL.
YOU CAN NOW REAPPLY AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS WITHOUT
HAVING TO WAIT THE WHOLE 12 MONTHS.
A CHANGE IN THE CODE IF THIS IS THE CASE THEY WILL HAVE TO
WAIT 12 MONTHS.
AND THAT AFFECTS ANYBODY APPLYING FOR SOMETHING ON THAT
PROPERTY.
IF SOMEONE COMES IN WITH A DIFFERENT PROJECT ON THAT
PROPERTY, THEY HAVE TO WAIT THE FULL 12 MONTHS.
NEXT ARE THE STAFF INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENTS.
FIRST IS THE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS WHICH IS TO ADD NOTICE TO
COMBINE THE TYPES INSTEAD OF A DE-1 AND DE-2.
PILL GO THROUGH MOST OF THIS THROUGH THE REST OF THE
PRESENTATION.
27-121 DOESN'T EXIST AND A NEW CODE EXCEPTION FOR SITE PLAN
EXCEPTIONS FOR VARIANCES RIGHT NOW THE CODE IS SILENT ON
THOSE.
WE HAVE EXAMPLES ON THAT, AND WE ARE NOT CODIFYING THAT.
27-118, WHICH IS AN APPEAL FROM -- FROM SAN ADMINISTRATIVE
DECISION A HISTORIC PRESERVATION MANAGER FOR AN ARC
DETERMINATION.
INSTEAD OF GOING TO COUNCIL.
IT WILL GO TO THE ARC FIRST SERVING AS THE APPELLATE BOARD.
27-241, WEST TAMPA.
WE HAVE CHANGES TO MAKE TO THAT REQUEST.
SPECIAL USE CRITERIA FOR A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCES.
CHANGE LANGUAGE UNDER ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, LEFT OUT
THE EFRs TO MAKE IT SIMILAR TO ALLOW FOR SERB THINGS.
FOOTNOTE 7, WHICH IS ALLOWING YOU TO BRING YOUR PROPERTY
FORWARD OR REDUCE THE SETBACKS TO SAVE TREE.
THAT IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS AND PROPOSE TO MAKE THAT A
DESIGN EXCEPTION.
284 -- THE TWO THAT ARE IN 27-284, ONE IS TO UTILIZE AT
ARBORIST REPORT FOR TREE REMOVAL REQUEST.
AND THE OTHER THE USE-TO-USE BUFFER THAT WE WILL GET INTO
THAT IN A MOMENT.
27-290, THE AIR CONDITIONING SETBACKS THE CODES IS SILENT ON
GENERATORS AND YESTERDAY SINCE ADDED ANOTHER PORTION TO THAT
REQUEST THAT I WILL DISCUSS WITH YOU MOMENTARILY.
SO KICKING OFF THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE.
SO RIGHT NOW WITH THE ALTERNATIVE DESIGN LANGUAGE.
WE HAVE TWO.
DESIGN EXCEPTION 1 AND 2.
DESIGN EXCEPTION 1 ARE USED FOR NUMEROUS DIFFERENT REQUESTS,
SETBACKS REDUCTIONS AND OVERLAY AND SPECIAL DISTRICTS, PARK
PARKING REDUCTION, BUFFER REDUCTIONS, SIGNAGE REQUIREMENTS.
THOSE NORMALLY DON'T REQUIRE NOTICE UNLESS IT IS FOR A
SETBACK REDUCTION.
DE-2s ARE SETBACK REDUCTIONS EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY AND
DEPENDING ON WHICH PLANNING DISTRICT HOW MUCH OF A SETBACK
YOU CAN GET.
YES, MA'AM?
10:56:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE A LOT OF THESE.
IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN DISCUSS EACH ONE?
10:56:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
10:56:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM JUST SAYING IF THE PUBLIC WANTS TO TALK
OF THIS ONE AND THAT ONE AND THAT ONE.
NO ANT THAT MANY PUBLIC HERE.
I AM JUST SAYING --
10:56:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HOW MANY ITEMS.
10:56:35AM >>ERIC COTTON:
ABOUT TEN TOTAL.
10:56:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK THAT IS TOO MUCH TO WAIT AND HAVE
THEM SPEAK AFTER.
10:56:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU WANT TEN OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC
COMMENT?
10:56:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH.
YOU KIND OF HAVE TO.
EACH OF THESE IS VERY DIFFERENT.
THE TWO THAT WE ALREADY AGREED ON, I THINK WE ALL FEEL OKAY
ABOUT.
I MEAN, HOW DOES THE REST OF COUNCIL FEEL ABOUT THAT?
10:57:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HOW DOES THE REST OF COUNCIL FEEL ABOUT
THAT?
10:57:02AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
LIKE IT FOR ORGANIZATION THAT WE GO ONE
BY ONE, KEEPS THE FOCUS.
10:57:08AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THIS.
10:57:11AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.
10:57:13AM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT, AND THAT IS THE
WILLINGNESS OF COUNCIL, THAT IS FINE, BUT NOT EVERYBODY TAKE
THE FULL THREE MINUTES FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.
BY THE WAY EVERYBODY HAS -- SANDY GETS UP HERE AND SAYS --
IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THE FULL THREE MINUTES.
YOUR GOD-GIVEN RIGHT BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
10:57:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
LET'S DO THAT SO WE CAN DISCUSS EACH ONE.
10:57:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
UNANIMOUS CONSENT.
WE ARE OKAY WITH THAT?
NO OBJECTION?
OKAY, WE WILL DO THAT.
MR. COTTON, AND WE ARE GOING TO GO ONE BY ONE.
THIS IS --
10:57:45AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SORRY, MR. COTTON, THIS DOCUMENT, THIS IS
NOT IN "ON BASE" YET, THAT'S CORRECT?
10:57:53AM >>ERIC COTTON:
SUBMITTED BACK --
10:57:57AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DIDN'T TRAVEL WITH IT.
10:58:00AM >>ERIC COTTON:
IT DIDN'T TRAVEL WITH IT?
I DON'T KNOW.
10:58:02AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OH, IS IT DID?
THANK YOU.
10:58:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FIRST OF THE TEN.
10:58:06AM >>ERIC COTTON:
SO THE REQUEST FROM STAFF AS I WAS SAYING.
TWO DIFFERENT CRITERIA FOR TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
ONE WE WOULD PROPOSE ONE DESIGN EXCEPTION.
AND NOTICE REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL DESIGN EXCEPTIONS WHATEVER
IS BEING REQUESTED.
SO WE DON'T -- I DON'T WANT STAFF TO NOT TELL SOMEBODY TO DO
NOTICE WHEN THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DO NOTICE AND NOT HAVE THEM
DO NOTICE WHEN THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO DO NOTICE.
IT WILL BE BETTER TO HAVE ONE SET OF RULES FOR EVERYTHING
ACROSS THE BOARD. THIS WAS -- WE DID HAVE PUBLIC MEETINGS.
LORD, IT HAS PROBABLY BEEN ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.
WE HAD IT SOON AFTER HANNA OPENED UP.
WE HAD A MEETING HERE.
BUT THAT -- THAT IS CITY STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO HAVE
ONE SET OF RULES.
AGAIN -- SO JUST SO YOU KNOW DESIGN EXCEPTIONS ARE FOR
SETBACKS.
MINOR SETBACK REDUCTIONS AND PROPOSED LANGUAGE WILL 10%,
15%, WITH WHATEVER.
IT USED TO BE 15% ARE THE OLD ADMINISTRATIVE VARIANCE
REQUEST.
CERTAIN AMOUNTS FOR PARKING REDUCTIONS CAN BE DONE
ADMINISTRATIVELY WITH MOBILITY SIGN OFF.
LOCATION OF SIGNAGE ON A WALL.
IF YOU ARE ON A ONE-WAY STREET AND YOU ARE GOING NORTHBOUND
ON HOWARD AND YOUR SIGN CAN ONLY FACE HOWARD.
PEOPLE WILL ASK TO TAKE THE SIGN OFF THE FRONT AND PUT IT ON
THE SIDE OF BUILDING DRIVING NORTH AND SOUTH THAT YOU WOULD
SEE THE ADVERTISEMENT FOR THEIR BUSINESS.
ADMINISTRATIVE WAIVERS TO HEIGHT.
RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD TO
GO FROM 15 FEET TO 18 FEET OR 18 FEET TO 20 FEET FOR AN
ACCESSORY.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
AND WOULD NOT REQUIRE A PUBLIC NOTICE.
SO THAT IS THE DESIGN EXCEPTION LANGUAGE.
I WILL STAND ASIDE.
11:00:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, COME
ON UP AND SAY YOUR NAME.
11:00:12AM >> SANDRA DIEGO SANCHEZ.
AFTER OUR SECOND MEETING THAT WE HAD, I PULLED THE RECORDS
FOR THE MEETING ALL OF THE OPINIONS WENT TO -- WENT TO
THE DESIGN EXCEPTION REFORM.
I PULLED THE RECORD.
AND ON THE RECORDS THERE ARE 67 COMMUNITY LEADERS THAT WROTE
IN ASKING US TO HAVE THE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS NOTED.
NOWHERE IN HERE DOES IT SAY THAT ALL DESIGN EXCEPTIONS
SHOULD COME TO CITY COUNCIL.
THAT DID NOT COME FROM ANYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY -- THAT WE
KNOW OF ANYWAY.
SO WHAT WE ASKED FOR WAS TO HAVE -- CAN YOU HELP ME WITH
THIS?
11:00:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT'S THERE.
11:01:00AM >> WE ASKED FOR SIGNS.
THESE AND BACK IN JULY.
OUT OF NOWHERE, WE DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE COMING.
THEY JUST AND.
PLEASE NOTICE.
YOU ONLY HAVE TWO WEEKS.
THIS IS A MINI REZONING.
THEY ARE EXPECTING ALL THE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS TO COME TO YOU
WHEN THEY WERE ONLY GIVING YOU A TWO-WEEK LIMIT THAT YOU CAN
RESPOND -- THAT THE COMMUNITY COULD RESPOND TO THEM.
THIS THEY COULD HAVE THE SAME 30 DAYS.
SO MY FIRST ON THIS ONE, THEY SHOULD NOT BE COMING TO YOU.
LET'S EXPAND THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
LET THEM HANDLE THE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS AND IT WILL BE OUT IN
THE OPEN.
THAT IS THE OTHER THING, TO NOT HAVE ONE PERSON MAKE THE
DECISIONS.
MAKE SURE THAT THE DECISIONS WERE OUT IN THE OPEN.
GETTING THE SIGNAGE WAS THE BEGINNING OF IT.
SO WE HOPE THAT WE WILL GO THROUGH WITH THAT.
11:01:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:02:06AM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
THERE WERE OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED BESIDES THE NEIGHBORHOOD
GROUPS.
BUILDERS, DEVELOPERS AND OTHERS -- I THOUGHT WE HAD REACHED
BE AGREEMENT THAT CERTAIN THINGS WOULD BE NOTICED AND
CERTAIN THINGS WERE NOT GOING TO BE NOTICED.
WE SPLIT THOSE.
IT WAS A VERY LONG MEETING AT HANNA.
AND I DON'T SEE REVISITING THIS ISSUE, AKA, GOING BACK.
THE STAFF -- AND YOU WONDER WHY THESE THINGS ARE COMING TO
YOU AS PDs.
THE STAFF NEEDS TO HAVE MORE LATITUDE ON THESE MINOR ISSUES.
WE AGREED ON SEPARATE WHAT WAS A NINE ISSUE VERSUS WHAT WAS
A MAJOR ISSUE.
WHY WE CAME UP IN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF ON NOTICING AND THE
SIGN POSTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO REVISE SITTING THIS ISSUE I THINK IS A STEP BACKWARDS
INSTEAD OF FORWARD.
AND WE HAVE SO MANY ISSUES PENDING.
WE NEED TO GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
AS -- AS I THINK SOME OF YOU HEARD IN OUR MEETING LAST WEEK
WE SIMPLY NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS THE PROCESS YOU WANT US TO
FOLLOW.
THE UNCERTAINTY OF GUESSING -- IF SOMEBODY WILL COME UP HERE
REPRESENTING THEMSELVES OR A NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP AND THEY SAY
WE WANT ANOTHER PROCESS.
THAT THROWS THE WRENCH INTO THE WORKS.
AND SO IT IS NOT -- YOU CAN'T COUNT ON THE PROCESS UNTIL YOU
START STABILIZING IT.
SOME OF THOSE DECISIONS ARE GOING TO BE MORE DIFFICULT TO
MAKE.
BUT I PROBABLY REACHED A CONSENSUS ON THIS.
AND THE STAFF HAS PRESENTED TO YOU WITH A CONSENSUS WHAT
THAT WAS AT THAT MEETING AND WENT ON FOR A QUITE A WHILE.
I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU SUPPORT THE STAFF ON THIS
PETITION -- ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEMS.
11:03:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:03:51AM >> GOOD MORNING, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I WANT TO POINT OUT SOMETHING THAT MR. MICHELINI SAID THAT I
THINK IS MIND-BLOWING.
THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS COME IN HERE AND ASK FOR WHAT THEY
WANT.
I THINK WE ALL KNOW -- WE ALL KNOW THAT PART OF THE BIG
ISSUE WITH OUR CODE, THEY ARE CALLED PRIVATELY INITIATED
TEXT AMENDMENTS.
THEY WENT ON FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND THE LAST SET THAT WENT
THROUGH MR. MICHELINI AND MR. LUM PUT THROUGH.
THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE CODE IS SO SCREWED UP
BECAUSE DEVELOPERS CAME THROUGH AND CHANGED OUR CODE.
JUST SAYING.
DON'T BELIEVE ME?
I STILL HAVE IT ON VIDEO.
I WILL SHOW YOU THE PUBLIC MEETINGS.
27-16.
THAT WAS A DUMB WASTE OF MONEY.
YOU KNOW WHO THAT WHOLE PREHEARING FOR THE MAGISTRATE WAS
FOR?
TO RUN OFF THE NEIGHBORHOODS WHEN SOMEBODY -- WHEN SOMEBODY
WAS COMPLAINING.
WHY?
BECAUSE THEN THE NEIGHBORHOODS HAD TO SHOW UP WITH AN
ATTORNEY TO THE MAGISTRATE.
AND SO THEN WE HAVE THE PROBLEM.
PROBLEM IS OUR NEIGHBORHOODS -- OUR NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS ARE
NOT INDEPENDENTLY WEALTHY.
THEY DON'T MAKE ANY MONEY FROM ALL THE STUFF THAT THEY DO.
THEY DO IT UNTIL THEY GET WORE OUT.
27-150, THAT WAS THE ONE WHERE THEY WERE APPROVING --
11:05:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE ARE GOING ONE BY ONE.
11:05:12AM >> JUST DOING 61?
WHICH ONE IS THAT?
THE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS.
I AM WITH SANDY.
I WAS TAKING NOTES.
I WILL COME BACK.
11:05:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM?
11:05:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO I THINK -- WHAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT HERE
IS THAT I DON'T -- IT IS NOT CLEAR WHAT WILL DESIGN
EXCEPTIONS WILL BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED AND WHAT
AREN'T.
11:05:49AM >>ERIC COTTON:
CURRENTLY IN THE CODE, DESIGN EXCEPTIONS ARE
MINOR REDUCTIONS TO SETBACKS AND DEPENDING ON WHAT PLANNING
IT IS STRICT YOU ARE IN FROM 25% TO 10% IN THE FRONT, REAR
AND A FOOT ON THE SIDE.
IN SPECIAL DISTRICTS, INSTEAD OF HAVING -- LIKE IN SEMINOLE
HEIGHTS, FOR INSTANCE.
OR AN OVERLAY DISTRICT FOR EAST TAMPA, AN ADMINISTRATIVE TO
GET THE REQUEST.
NOT CODIFIED ON WHAT THE PERCENTAGE IS.
IT SAYS MINOR REDUCTION.
SO -- IT ALSO GOING INTO THE DESIGN STANDARDS IN EAST TAMPA,
FOR INSTANCE, THE GARAGE IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE IN FRONT OF
THE MAIN STRUCTURE OF THE HOUSE.
PEOPLE WILL SOMETIMES DESIGN HOMES THAT WAY, OR THEY HAVE
ENCLOSED THEIR GARAGE GOING BACK TO THE EARLIER DISCUSSION
WITHOUT A PERMIT AND THEY ARE TRYING TO GET IT PERMITTED.
THEY NEED TO HAVE IT WITH THE ZONING, AND THEY COME AND ASK
FOR THE REDUCTION OR A CHANGE IN THE DESIGN STANDARD.
AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS THAT GOES BEFORE THE URBAN DESIGN
MANAGER.
AND GOES INTO PARKING REDUCTIONS.
IF SOMEBODY IS REQUIRED TO HAVE 50 PARKING SPACES, AND THEY
NEED 47, OR AS A CHANGE OF USE FROM -- AS A GENERAL OFFICE
A GENERAL OFFICE USE.
DO A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT.
AND THE PARKING RATIOS WENT FROM HAVING SEVEN UP TO NINE.
WE CAN ASK FOR THAT REDUCTION BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOUR
BUILDING WAS BUILT IN 1948 AND YOU HAD FIVE PARKING SPACES
FOR THE LIFETIME OF THAT BUILDING.
THE WALL SIGNS, WHICH IS AN EXAMPLE I GAVE EARLIER LIKE IF
YOU WERE DRIVING UP GOING NORTH ON HOWARD, AND YOUR SIGNS
ARE ALLOWED TO FACE HOWARD, BUT OFF PARKING LOT ON THE SOUTH
SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND YOU WANT TO PUT YOUR SIGN SO PEOPLE
DRIVING NORTH SEE THAT SIGN.
BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES -- IF YOU SEE THE SIGN AFTER YOU PASS
IT, YOU KNOW, YOU START DOING THAT CIRCLE AROUND.
AND THEN WHAT IS CURRENTLY NOT IN THE CODE FOR ACCESSORY
STRUCTURES FOR HEIGHT.
RIGHT NOW THAT REQUIRES A VARIANCE.
GOING FROM 15 FEET THE MAXIMUM IN THE CODE TO 16 REQUIRES A
VARIANCE REVIEW AND THIS COULD BE NOTICED
AND DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY.
DRAFT LANES THAT WE CAN DO INTERNALLY, THE SETBACKS WILL BE
PROPOSED 10% MODIFICATION.
REAR YARD 15% MODIFICATION.
AND THE SIDE, A FOOT.
AND THE HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE AT 10%.
IF THE HEIGHT COULD BE 35 FEET, YOU CAN GO UP TO 38.5 FOR
THE STRUCTURE.
THOSE ARE THE LIMITATIONS.
ALL WOULD BE REQUIRED.
11:08:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
SO THIS IS WHAT -- WHERE I AM HAVING TROUBLING WITH THIS
THAT I DON'T HAVE A LIST OF THESE IN FRONT OF ME.
SO FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE, I WOULD LIKE A LIST.
I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO HAVE A LIST SO WE CAN SEE THESE.
BECAUSE, AGAIN, THIS WASN'T IN "ON BASE."
ANDY WITH JUST TALKING OF THIS GENERAL IDEA.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LIST THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DIGEST WHAT
THINGS ARE GOING TO BE GOING TO A ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
AND THEN I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT NOTICE SHOULD NOT BE
TWO WEEKS, BUT A FULL 30 DAYS.
BECAUSE -- BECAUSE THE PUBLIC MAKES A VERY GOOD POINT THAT
-- THAT, YOU KNOW, TWO WEEKS ISN'T ENOUGH TIME FOR ANYONE.
AND IF WE ARE DOING 30 DAYS FOR EVERYTHING ELSE, WE SHOULD
MAKE IT 30 DAYS ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO IN TERMS OF THIS ONE, I WOULDN'T WANT TO MOVE THIS ONE
FORWARD PERSONALLY UNTIL I HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE LIST
AND REALLY I GO GUEST IT.
11:09:33AM >>ERIC COTTON:
THE LIST IS WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE CODE.
THE ONLY THING ADDED TO THIS WILL BE THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE
HEIGHT.
EVERYTHING IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW IS HOW WE HANDLE THE DESIGN
EXCEPTIONS.
11:09:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGAIN, JUST --
11:09:48AM >>ERIC COTTON:
UNDERSTOOD.
11:09:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THOSE EXAMPLES HOWEVER YOU PUT IT.
THE FACT YOU WANT TO GO FROM REASONABLE TO 10% TO 25%.
LIKE THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
JUST TO DIGEST.
I AM KIND OF VISUAL IS THAT WAY.
SO I WOULD REALLY LOVE A LIST.
I DON'T WANT TO HOLD IT UP FOREVER, BUT A WEEK OR SO TO TAKE
A LOOK AT THE LIST WILL BE GREAT.
11:10:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
27-61 --
11:10:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
71.
11:10:15AM >>ERIC COTTON:
27-71, IN THE CODE, NO STANDARD FOR SITE PLANS
THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESSES, DESIGN EXCEPTIONS WE JUST
TALKED ABOUT AND THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
WE HAVE IN OUR APPLICATION WHAT IS SUBMITTED AND WHAT IS NOT
CODIFIED.
CODIFYING THOSE REQUIREMENTS SIMILAR TO THE PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT PROCESS THAT IS CODIFIED.
THIS WILL BE CODIFYING THE LANGUAGE FOR OTHER PROCESSES THAT
WE HAVE.
11:10:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS
ITEM.
ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON JUST THIS ITEM, 27-71?
YES, MA'AM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:10:50AM >> OFTEN THIS ONE -- SANDRA SANCHEZ.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE NOTE ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE, THIS
SHOWED UP IN THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY WHICH WE WILL COME BACK
TO LATER.
ALL OF A SUDDEN, THEY WANT TO CHANGE THE SITE PLANS TO GIVE
YOU LESS INFORMATION INSTEAD OF MORE.
FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A -- A REASONABLE DECISION ON
THIS, YOU NEED TO SEE BOTH OF THEM AND YOU NEED TO SEE WHAT
HAS BEEN ADDED AND WHAT HAS BEEN CHANGED.
AND AN ARROW SHOWING NORTH HARDLY GIVES YOU MORE DETAILS.
LESS MEASUREMENTS DOESN'T HELP YOU OUT EITHER.
BEFORE YOU VOTE ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU NEED TO KNOW
WHAT THE SITE PLANS ARE REQUIRED NOW AND WHAT THEY ARE
ASKING TO CHANGE.
YOU NEED TO HAVE THE FULL INFORMATION BEFORE YOU CAN MAKE
THIS DECISION.
THANK YOU.
11:11:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, SIR.
11:11:46AM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS AT ALL KEEP IN MIND
THOUGH, THAT NOT EVERYONE CAN AFFORD FOR HAVE ENGINEERING
SITE PLANS DONE.
IT IS EXPENSIVE.
THE SMALLER PROJECTS -- THEY ARE GOING TO BE BURDENED BY IT.
THAT IS MY ONLY CONCERN.
I WOULD ADVISE THAT PROJECTS THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO PAY
FOR THAT.
SMALL MOMS AND POPS DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO DO THIS.
11:12:16AM >> NEXT SPEAKER.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:12:19AM >> GOOD MORNING, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I LIKE TO SEE THE LENGTH AND WIDTHS OF GARAGES, PERMEABLE,
FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING.
THOSE ARE THINGS WE LOOK FOR.
WE LEARNED LATELY A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T PUT THOSE THINGS ON
THERE AND YOU DON'T KNOW THEM.
ESPECIALLY THE DRIVEWAYS AND GARAGES.
ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH PARKING ON ANY OF THESE, IT NEEDS
TO BE IN THE SITE PLANS.
WE LEARNED THE HARD WAY THAT WE ARE DRAMATICALLY
UNDERPARKING SOME FACILITIES.
AND I THINK IT IS PRETTY EASY TO FIX THOSE THINGS.
THANK YOU.
11:13:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY ELSE?
YES, MA'AM?
11:13:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK WITH THIS THAT "ETC." IS A BIG.
THAT IS CARRIES A LOT OF LOAD FOR ME.
SO I WOULD ALSO LIKE A LIST OF THE TYPES OF THINGS.
AND I THINK THAT -- WHAT, THE PUBLIC SAYS MAKES A LOT OF
SENSE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH
PERMEABILITY PERCENTAGES.
THEN WHEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES THE CALCULATIONS, IT IS
WRONG.
AND YOU KNOW, WE FIND OUT TOO LATE.
SO ONE -- ONE OF THE THINGS THAT -- SO I WOULD DEFINITELY
LIKE TO SEE THE PARKING, THE DRIVEWAY AND THE PERMEABILITY
ON THERE IF IT IS NOT ALREADY.
A LIST OF WHAT IS ACTUALLY -- WHAT THE MINIMUM STANDARDS
WOULD BE, LIKE A FULL LIST OF THOSE MINIMUM STANDARDS WILL
BE WILL BE VERY HELPFUL ON THIS ONE.
11:13:57AM >> UNDERSTOOD.
11:14:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THE CHANGES AND HAVE A
WRITTEN REPORT TO COUNCIL IN THE FUTURE TO WE CAN LOOK -- I
DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE, BUT GOING FORWARD, THIS
IS -- I MEAN THIS IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE BEFORE I CAN
SAY LET'S MOVE THIS FORWARD.
11:14:13AM >>ERIC COTTON:
THE SLIDE AT THE VERY END THAT HAS THAT.
WET GET TO THAT.
11:14:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
27-118.
11:14:23AM >>ERIC COTTON:
27-118, THERE ARE IS JUST TO HAVE THE
DECISION BUSINESS THE ARC ADMINISTRATOR TO BE APPEALABLE TO
THE ARC BOARD.
VERSUS GOING BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
THIS WILL HAVE A -- THIS WILL HAVE THAT FIRST STEP IS GOING
TO THE ARC FOR DECISIONS MADE WITHIN THE -- WITHIN THE
HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
I BELIEVE THAT IS WHAT THE BLC -- SAME INDIVIDUAL BUT
THE BLC ADMINISTRATOR GOES TO THE BARRIO LATINO
COMMISSION.
11:14:55AM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER:
I AM DANA CROSBY COLLIER FROM THE
CITY LEGAL DEPARTMENT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE.
11:15:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
IF NOT, PUBLIC COMMENT ON 27-118.
NO?
YES?
11:15:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WAY TONIGHT SAY THIS MAKES THE SENSE.
THE BARRIO -- THEY HAVE SOME RULES THAT I JUST -- YEAH.
11:15:11AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I REALLY LIKE THIS ONE TOO.
11:15:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SLIDE, 27-132.
YES, SIR?
11:15:20AM >>ERIC COTTON:
27-132, THIS IS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO
EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCES.
COUNCIL RECALLS EIGHT, NINE MONTHS AGO, AN AMENDMENT WAS DONE
FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS TO BE IN NONCONFORMING
STRUCTURES AN STRUCTURES CONFORMING MADE BECAUSE OF A
VARIANCE.
MIMIC THE SAME LANGUAGE FOR THE TWO DIFFERENT USES AND THE
CODE AS THEY ARE TO BE CONSISTENT.
11:15:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
11:15:50AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
A DISTANCE SEPARATION BETWEEN THEM.
YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO OR THREE IN THE SAME -- THE DISTANCE
SEPARATION BETWEEN THESE THINGS.
NOT INTENDED FAMILY OR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
11:16:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON 27-132.
I SEE NONE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
IF NOT, WE WILL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, YES, SIR.
11:16:13AM >>ERIC COTTON:
27-156 TABLE 4-2, FOOTNOTE 7.
FOOTNOTE 7 HAS SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IN IT THAT ALLOWS FOR
CHANGES TO SETBACKS WHEN YOU ARE SAVING A GRAND OR A SPECIAL
MINISTRY.
WE DON'T GET A LOT OF THESE THAT COME THROUGH THE OFFICE,
BUT WHEN THEY DO, BASICALLY THE CODE RIGHT NOW GIVES YOU UP
TO A 25% REDUCTION IN THE FRONT OR QUARTER YARD
ADMINISTRATIVELY.
A FOOT ON THE SIDE AND A 40% REDUCTION ON THE REAR YARD AND
10% REDUCTION IN BUILDING HEIGHT.
STAFF'S SUGGESTION TO REMOVE IT FROM THE CODE AND SOMEBODY
NEEDS IS A SETBACK TO SAVE AGREE.
RIGHT NOW PEOPLE -- I AM MOVING MY BUILDING.
AND MEETING -- ALREADY MEETING THAT CRITERIA AND SAYING I AM
SAVING THIS TREE.
I SHOULD GET AN EXTRA REDUCTION.
THIS IS TO PUT INTO DESIGN EXCEPTION OVER WHAT PERCENTAGE
THEY ARE REQUESTING AND GO BEFORE THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD
TO SHIFT THE SETBACKS.
11:17:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS AS SOON AS IF NOT, PUBLIC
COMMENT.
ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM 27-156.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:17:24AM >> I SUPPORT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK ASKING FOR THINGS TO BE
VISUALLY AGGRESSIVE.
BECAUSE ERIC STARTS TALKING, AND I AM JUST GLAZING OVER.
BUT -- THE REDUCTION.
I WAS WITH HIM 100%.
UNTIL WE STARTED TALKING OF BUILDING BUILDINGS HIGHER.
AN ADDITIONAL 10%.
I KNOW ON A 35-FOOT BUILDING, THREE AND A HALF FEET, BUT --
DIDN'T YOU JUST SAY UP TO 10% HIGHER.
I AM WITH YOU ON ALL THESE OTHER THINGS IF WE ARE TRYING TO
AGREE.
BUT DO WE REALLY HAVE TO GO HIGHER?
I DON'T KNOW.
OH, YOU ARE TAKING IT OUT?
TAKE CAN THE 10% OUT?
OKAY.
THAT IS WHY WE ASK QUESTIONS.
11:18:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME.
11:18:11AM >> SANDRA SANCHEZ.
ONLY THING I HAVE IS THAT THOSE DECISIONS BEING MADE BEHIND
CLOSED DOORS AT 15%.
10%.
SAME THING WHEN WE GET ONE PD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ALL OF A
SUDDEN EVERYBODY WHO COMES BEFORE CITY COUNCIL TO REZONE
REFERS TO THAT ONE PD TO GET THAT SETBACK.
ONE PD -- THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS.
THERE IS A LOT OF THE -- INCIDENTS WITHIN PERMITTING, FOR
EXAMPLE.
I CAN GIVE YOU SEVEN HOUSES IN THE LAST YEAR BUILT IN THE
WEST TAMPA OVERLAY THAT THEY NEVER EVEN ASKED THE QUESTION
ARE YOU IN THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY.
AND THEY WERE ALLOWED TO DO ANYTHING THAT THEY WANTED TO DO.
SO ONE TIME, I ASKED, I SAID, SINCE THOSE WERE BASICALLY
APPROVED LEGALLY.
YOU DIDN'T ASK THEM ANY QUESTIONS.
HAVE THEM FOLLOW WITH THE RULES.
CAN THEY BE USED AS A COMPARABLE?
THE ANSWER WAS YES.
I AM SORRY, TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT.
SO IF YOU ALLOW SOMETHING LOOK TO HAPPEN AND THEY CAN MAKE
THE DECISIONS WITHOUT ANY KIND OF NOTIFICATION AND LETTING
EVERYBODY KNOW, SET A PRESS DEN FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND
THOSE DEVELOP WILL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THAT ONE THING AND
SAY, LOOK, YOU APPROVED IT THEN.
THEY APPROVED IT THEN.
SO THINK ABOUT REPERCUSSIONS THAT HAVE -- WHEN YOU LOSE
CONTROL.
THANK YOU.
11:19:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MR. COTTON, A QUICK QUESTION ON THAT.
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING.
RIGHT NOW IT IS ADMINISTRATIVE AND NOBODY KNOWS, BUT WHAT WE
DO IS ADD EITHER A DESIGN EXCEPTION WHICH WOULD HAVE TO BE
NOTICED OR A VARIANCE WHICH WILL ALSO BE NOTICED.
11:19:56AM >>ERIC COTTON:
YES, MA'AM.
11:19:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TAKING IT OUT OF ADMINISTRATIVE AND PUTTING
IT SO THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE MORE NOTICE?
11:20:03AM >>ERIC COTTON:
CORRECT.
11:20:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT I THOUGHT I WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK.
11:20:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU HAVE ANYTHING?
YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:20:11AM >> YOU KNOW, WHEN INDIVIDUALS COME UP HERE AND CRITICIZE
STAFF, I DON'T THINK THEY REALIZE THE DEPTH OF WHICH HAVE
THE STAFF GOES IN REVIEWING EVERY PETITION THAT GOES
THROUGH.
IT IS NOT A BLACK HOLE.
IT IS NOT A BACK DOOR THING.
IF NEVER HAS BEEN.
IF YOU HAD A REDUCTION IN AGREE SETBACK, AND ARBORIST REPORT
IS REQUIRED.
THE CITY'S ARBORIST HAS TO REVIEW IT.
I -- I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.
STEVEN HAS TO GO THROUGH THE STAFF.
EVERYTHING IS OUT THERE.
IT IS WIDE OPEN AND THERE ARE NO SECRETS IN THIS PROCESS.
THANK YOU.
11:20:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SLIDE.
11:20:45AM >>ERIC COTTON:
THE NEXT REQUEST 27-241 FOR WEST TAMPA.
BACK IN JUNE, DAVID HUNTER, THE URBAN DESIGN COORDINATOR,
HAD A MEETING WITH HIS STAFF, AND INCLUDED THE WEST TAMPA
GROUP AS A -- AS PER ENGAGEMENT.
AND THEY CAME UP WITH SPECIFIC REQUESTS THEY WERE TALKING
ABOUT.
THE QUOTE LOW HANGING FRUIT THAT IS BEING INCLUDED IN THIS
AMENDMENTS.
WHICH WOULD -- RIGHT NOW, AGAIN, THERE ARE SPECIFIC
STANDARDS IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW THAT ARE -- TALK ABOUT WHAT
HAS TO BE ON A SITE PLAN.
THE REQUEST IS TO ACTUALLY -- BECAUSE WE REVIEW -- STAFF
REVIEWS THIS URBAN -- THE WEST COMPANY REQUIREMENTS AS PART
OF THE BUILDING PERMIT AND THAT IS FOR THAT REVIEW.
THIS IN FOR WHAT HAS TO BE ON THE SITE PLAN AND THE SAME
INFORMATION ON THE SITE PLAN FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT ITSELF.
DOES NOT BE COMPETING REGULATIONS IN THE CODE.
YOU FOLLOW WHAT IS IN CHAPTER 5.
THAT HAS TO BE ON THE SITE PLAN FOR THE REVIEW.
THE REQUIREMENT THAT IS IN CHAPTER 27 WILL BE REMOVED AND NO
CONFLICT BETWEEN THE TWO.
AND THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WILL HAVE TO BE FOR THE MAIN FRONT.
RIGHT NOW, THE CODE, I BELIEVE, REQUIRES IT TO MATCH
REGARDLESS OF WHERE IT IS.
AND IF YOU ARE ON AN INFERIOR LOT AND YOU CAN'T SEE THE
ACCESSORY STRUCTURE FROM THE ROAD AND GO TO HOME DEPOT AND
BUY ONE OF THOSE URBAN PLASTIC SHED FOR YOUR YARD AND CORNER
LOT AND VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, YOUR SHED NEEDS TO
MATCH MORE OF THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE HOUSE.
ONE OF THE OTHER REQUESTS WAS TO PROHIBIT ELECTRONIC
MESSAGING CENTER SIGNS IN WEST COMPANY RIGHT NOW WEST TAMPA,
EAST COMPANY WAS AMENDED ABOUT A YEAR AGO TO HAVE A RANGE OF
15 FEET TO 25 FEET.
THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD TO BE HAVE THAT SAME RANGE IN WEST
COMPANY.
AS LONG AS YOUR SHOWS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 15 FEET AND 25 FEET
FOR THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE, SIMILAR TO WHAT IS IN EAST
TAMPA, THAT WILL BE ALLOWED IN BEST TAMPA.
11:23:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
YES, SIR.
11:23:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GOING ALONG WITH OTHER ONES, I WOULD REALLY
LIKE A LIST.
BECAUSE I AM A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH
THIS ONE.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SECTION 5 AND 27.
IS SECTION 5 THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY.
11:23:56AM >>ERIC COTTON:
NO, CHAPTER.
11:23:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SORRY, CHAPTER.
11:23:59AM >>ERIC COTTON:
SPECIFIC THINGS ON THE BUILDING PLAN TO BE
COMPLIANT WITH THE BUILDING CODE.
ZONING STAFF REVIEWS THAT ZONING PERMIT AS PART OF THE
REVIEW FOR THE WEST TAMPA COMPLIANCE.
AND IN WEST TAMPA, OWN CURRENT LANGUAGE WHAT IS SHOWN ON
THAT PLAN.
WE ARE SAYING THAT YOU SHOULD -- WHAT IS SHOWN ON THAT
BUILDING PLAN BECAUSE WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE REVIEWING WEST
DOWNPOUR OWN LANGUAGE WHICH IS DUPLICATIVE.
11:24:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS THE OVERLAY.
11:24:34AM >>ERIC COTTON:
ON THE BUILDING PLAN ITSELF.
NOT THE STANDARDS.
THE STANDARDS THEMSELVES HAVE STAYING THE SAME.
ROOF PITCH, THAT IS NOT WHAT IS BEING AMENDED .THIS IS ON
THE SITE PLAN BEING SUBMITTED.
ONE SITE PLAN FOR THE BUILDING REVIEW AND A SEPARATE SITE
PLAN FOR WEST TAMPA TO THE PERSON BUILDING THE SINGLE-FAMILY
HOME DOESN'T HAVE TO DO BOTH.
SUBMITTED UNDER THE CHAPTER 5 REQUIREMENTS WHICH IS MORE
STRINGENT THAN WHAT IS IN WEST TAMPA RIGHT NOW JUST FOR THE
SITE PLAN.
NOT THE ELEVATION AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
11:25:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WAS THINKING OF HOW WE REQUIRE FOLKS TO NOT
HAVE NEW DRIVEWAYS AND ENTER WHERE IT IS NOT POSSIBLE.
11:25:21AM >>ERIC COTTON:
SHOWN ON THE BUILDING PLAN.
11:25:23AM >> NOT CHAPTER 5.
THAT IS AN OVERLAY.
11:25:29AM >>ERIC COTTON:
THEY SUBMIT FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT IN WEST
TAMPA, THEY HAVE TO HAVE COMPLIANT WITH THE WEST TAMPA
LOCATION.
THAT IS WHAT STAFF IS REVIEWING FOR.
11:25:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGAIN, I AM ASKING FOR A LIST OF WHAT EXACTLY
IS GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE I AM CONFUSE.
11:25:44AM >>ERIC COTTON:
OKAY, UNDERSTAND.
11:25:46AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SOMETHING JUST CRAWLED INTO MY THROAT AND
I GOT TO BRING IT UP.
YOU ARE TRYING TO ENHANCE ALL OF WEST TAMPA.
UP UNDERSTAND THAT.
SOME YEARS BACK A SURVEY DONE OF DIFFERENT RESIDENCES IN THE
AREA.
OVER 100 THAT WERE DWELLING OTHER THAN RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND
NEVER A ZONING CHANGE OR SOMETHING.
UP SAW SOME LINES GO UP AND I HAVE CALLED BUT I AM GOING TO.
AND MORE THAN ONE THAT ARE RENTALS PROPERTY THERE ARE HOUSES
IN WEST TAMPA THAT HAVE DEPARTMENT ONE, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR
AND WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS.
IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT BETTER FOR ANYONE.
HAD SOME FLOORS WAS RENTED AND I MANAGE A TRUST THAT HAS
RENTAL PROBLEMS.
ALL RENTALS PAY AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TAX.
THE CITY IS USING A LOT OF REVENUE BUT MILLION TO FOLLOWING
UP ON WHAT WE SHOULD.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE SIT BACK AND DO NOTHING, THAT I
KNOW OF ANYWAY REGARDING BRINGING ALL OF THEM AND EVERY YEAR
YOU PAY AN EXTRA TAX.
BUSINESS TAX I GUESS YOU CALL IT.
AND THE PRESIDENT THE PREPONDERANCE OF HOMES DON'T HAVE TO
DO ANYTHING.
WHY DOES THE CITY DO THE SAME BY 1900 AND THE VALUE AND SO
FORTH AND SO ON.
SO WE ARE SITTING HERE TALKING AND DOING SOMETHING AND
DEVELOPING IT RIGHT WHETHER THINGS TO GET DONE THAT ARE NOT
DONE I AM NOT BLAMING THIS ADMINISTRATION.
GOING ON IF FOR DECADES.
NOTHING NEW I KNOW IT IS DIFFICULT IS SOMETHING ELSE
DIFFICULT IF YOU DON'T CHANGE IT.
IF IT IS COPE CAT.
ONE DOES IT AND NOBODY ELSE DOES IT I AM NOT HERE TO MAKE
YOU A GOAL OF THE THING, BUT A WAY OF LIFE.
I DON'T KNOW.
THAT IS ALL I WANT TO SAY ON THIS ITEM HERE.
I UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS THAT ARE NEEDED TO COMPLY.
YOU GO FROM ONE BLOCK.
AND THE ALLEYS WHERE YOU WANT THEM TO PARK.
SOME OF THOSE ALLEYS DON'T EXIST ANYMORE WHERE I LIVE.
I BOUGHT THE HOUSE I BOUGHT IN 1968.
NO ALLEY.
ONE ALLEY DOWN THE STREET AND 14 FEET WIDE.
NEXT BLOCK, 19 FEET WIDE.
AND THAT IS HOW IT IS SO WE ARE LOOKING AT SOMETHING TO TRY
TO MAKE IT BETTER AND I AGREE WITH IS THAT AND DIFFICULT TO
OBTAIN ALL THE THINGS AT ONCE.
WHERE DO YOU START?
I DON'T KNOW.
PUT IT ONE, TWO, FOUR, I DON'T SEE WHAT ELSE YOU CAN DO.
SEND THEM A LETTER APARTMENT COMPLETION.
NOT ONLY ARE THEY PAYING YOU THE CITY.
THEY ARE NOT PAYING THE 20 SOMETHING TO GET TO THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT.
WHAT A COUNTRY FOR THEM ALL I AM SAYING, WE NEED TO CHANGE
THE WAY WE DO BUSINESS.
11:30:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
PUBLIC COMMENT.
COME ON UP.
11:30:30AM >> SANDRA SANCHEZ.
YOU KNEW I WOULD BE HERE FOR THIS ONE.
OVER TWO YEARS AGO, WE STARTED ASKING TO WORK ON THE WEST
TAMPA OVERLAY.
MAYBE THREE YEARS NOW.
ERIC COULD THE TOWN KNEW IT.
IF GOT PUSHED BACK AND NOT UNTIL WE THREW THAT FIT THAT THEY
PAID ATTENTION.
THE CODE CAME INTO PLAY.
AND SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER, THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY HAS BEEN
CHOPPED UP INTO A TEXT AMENDMENT.
THEY DID A BEAUTIFUL JOB.
I HAVE TO GIVE DAVID HUNTER CREDIT A WONDERFUL MEETING AT
THE BOAT HOUSE ON THE RIVER.
100 PEOPLE.
WE BROKE UP INTO GROUPS.
WE GAVE OUR OPINIONS.
AND WE GOT A SURVEY A VERY LENGTHY SURVEY THAT WE FILLED IN
AND THERE IS RED ON EVERY PAGE ASKING FOR YOUR OPINION.
THEN I STARTED ASKING FOR A DRAFT.
WHAT DID WE DECIDE COME UP WITH AND WHAT DID WE DO.
I HAD TO BEG WITH A COPY OF THE DRAFT ONLY ON THE CONDITION
I DIDN'T SHARE IT WITH ANYBODY.
THREE OF US GOT IT.
HERE IS ONE CHANGE HERE THIS S ABOUT THE SITE PLAN.
ANOTHER GAME HERE.
EVERYBODY ELSE THE PARKING SITUATION IN THE ALLEY WAS LEFT
FOR A LATER TIME.
NOTHING OF RESPONSE IN THIS WEST TAMPA OVERLAY SUGGESTED
DRAFT.
ONE THING THAT WOULD HAVE HELPED TO GIVE SEMANTICS AND
CLARITY TO IT.
THE SETBACKS ON A THE SIDE WAS FIVE FEET.
WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT SEVEN FEET TO COMPLY WITH THE REST
OF THE CITY EVERYTHING ELSE CAN WAIT.
WHY DO A PARTIAL NOW WAIT FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO
CHANGE.
WE WILL LEAVE WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ADDRESS THE
OVERLAYS WHEN ADDRESSING THE OTHER OVERLAYS IN TAMPA.
TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THIS CAN BE THE SUGGESTION FOR TEXT
AMENDMENT AND BE LEFT TO THE OVERLAY -- THE NEW LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THANK YOU.
11:33:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
MR. COTTON.
11:33:27AM >>ERIC COTTON:
THAT DECISION IS UP FOR CITY COUNCIL.
IF YOU WANT TO.
FOR CLARION TO DO THE DEEPER DIVE INTO THE CODE IF COUNCIL
SO CHOOSES.
STAFF DOESN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT IF THAT IS PART OF THE
REQUEST.
11:33:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF Y'ALL FEEL ABOUT IT, I AM FINE
WAITING AND WHAT THE LDC.
11:33:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO DELAY THIS
SECTION.
11:33:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MAKE A MOTION TO DELAY 27-241 WEST TAMPA
DISTRICT DESIGN STANDARDS.
11:34:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN
HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
VERY GOOD.
NEXT.
11:34:10AM >>ERIC COTTON:
SECTION 27-284.2.5.
RIGHT NOW FOR THE REMOVAL OF A GRAND TREE THAT IS REQUIRED
TO BE SUBMITTED.
RIGHT NOW ACCORDING TO THE CODE SOMEONE WILL HAVE TO GO OUT
AND STAKE THE CORNERS OF THE STRUCTURE.
THE NATURAL RESOURCES STAFF FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA,
ESPECIALLY ONE OF THE OFFICER VIEWS THAT REVIEWS FOR THE
VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD RECOMMENDS USING THE REPORT AS THAT
HAVE BEEN COMMITTED.
TWO REQUIREMENTS IN THE CODE.
AND ONE IS THE STAKING.
OTHER IS TO SHOW ON THE PROPERTY SOMEHOW.
ONLY WAY TO SEE THAT IS ON A PLAN.
YOU CAN'T SHOW THAT ON THE FIELD AS WELL.
AND THIS WILL ALLOW ALL -- ALL THE FORESTERS FOR THE CITY
ARE ALL ASE CERTIFIED AND REVIEW THE SUBMITTAL PACKAGE
FROM THE HOMEBUILDER ON THE HOMEOWNER.
AND OUR ARBORIST WILL REVIEW THAT DATA SUBMITTED AND IF
NECESSARY, WILL GO OUT AND LOOK AT THE SITE ALSO.
WALK THE SITE WITH THE ARBORIST TO ENSURE THAT THE TREE --
WHAT THEY ARE SHOWING IS ACCURATE.
IT DOESN'T AMEND THE REQUEST OF HAVING TO SHOW DIFFERENT
LAYOUTS OF THE PROPERTY TO SHOW COMPLIANCE.
ENABLES THE PROFESSIONAL TO TALK TO ONE ANOTHER AND TO NOT
STAKE THE PROPERTY.
RIGHT NOW IF THE PROPERTY IS NOT STAKED, IT DELAYS THE
PROCESS BY -- I BELIEVE IT IS 30 DAYS WHICH WILL PUT YOU
INTO A HEARING THAT IS NOW -- OKAY, SO SAYS BY CODE IF 23409
INSPECTED 15 DAYS PUTS YOU BACK TWO MONTHS BECAUSE THAT IS
THE WAY NOTICE IS REQUIRED BY FROM THE CITY.
AND THE REQUEST FROM NATURAL RESOURCES STAFF.
11:36:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM?
11:36:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY ONLY CONCERN THAT I HEARD YOU SAY, THEY
COULD COME OUT TO THE SITE, OUR CITY FOLKS.
I BELIEVE THEY SHOULD GO OUT TO THE SITE.
11:36:25AM >>ERIC COTTON:
THEY GO OUT TO THE SITES JUST -- SEMANTICS
WHAT I SAID.
THEY DO GO OUT TO SITES.
11:36:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE REQUIRED TO GO
TO THE SITE NOW.
OKAY, I MUST HAVE MISHEARD.
11:36:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS?
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:36:43AM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
YOU KNOW THE MORE OF THESE I KEEP HEARING, THE LESS I KNOW
ABOUT THEM.
I TONIGHT REMEMBER SEEING THIS.
I DON'T REMEMBER CARROLL ANN TALKING ABOUT IT.
YES, I WENT TO A MEETING AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS WERE
DISCUSSED AT A MEETING, BUT I AM KIND OF CONFUSED BECAUSE I
AM SIGHING MORE AND MORE OF THESE COMING UP HERE.
AND I AM LIKE, YEAH, I -- I DON'T REMEMBER EVER SEEING THIS
BEFORE.
NOW MIND YOU, I SLEPT SINCE THE LAST TIME WE HAD ONE OF
THESE MEETINGS.
HAS BEEN QUITE A WHILE AGO, AND MAYBE I TOTALLY MISSED IT.
I AM A LITTLE CONFUSED AND CARROLL ANNE HAS BEEN ASKING --
SHE IS NOT HERE TODAY -- BUT SHE HAS BEEN ASKING REPEATEDLY
THAT THE NATURAL RESOURCES FOLKS GET BACK TOGETHER AND CROSS
TRAINED AND DO THEIR JOB A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
THEY USED TO DO IT THAT WAY.
SO THIS KIND OF STUFF IS EASIER FOR THEM TO DO.
IF THEY HAVE A DISTRICT AND ALL KIND OF CROSS-TRAINED MAYBE
THEY WOULD HAVE THE TIME TO DO THIS.
I DON'T WANT TO PUT IT ON NATURAL RESOURCES BECAUSE THEY DO
A GOOD JOB, BUT I AM BECOMING A LITTLE CONCERNED AS WE KEEP
LOOKING AT THIS.
AND I AM LIKE -- I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING THIS BEFORE.
I DON'T REMEMBER.
BUT MR. MICHELINI KNOW ABOUT IT.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER SANDY DOES EITHER.
11:38:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM -- IS MISS FEELEY COMING UP?
11:38:13AM >>ERIC COTTON:
I WAS GOING TO SAY THE LAST SLIDE I SAID IS
THE SCHEDULE FOR THIS.
THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL PROCESS TO SEE IF COUNCIL WANTS TO
MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY OF THESE.
WE HAVEN'T HAD MEETINGS WITH THE PUBLIC AND THAT IS COMING
UP NEXT MONTH OR THE MONTH AFTER.
THIS IS -- THESE ARE ALL INTERNAL.
EXCEPT FOR THE FIRST THREE ITEMS THAT WERE COUNCIL
INITIATED.
ALL ISSUE THAT STAFF IS BRINGING FORWARD AGAIN TO IMPROVE
OUR COLD AND THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE.
11:38:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYTHING TO ADDED TO THAT?
11:38:46AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THESE ARE JUST THE CONCEPTS.
WE STOPPED WRITING THE LANGUAGE UNTIL WE GOT APPROVAL ON THE
CONCEPTS THAT THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD AND THEN THERE WILL BE
THE PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSIONS JUST LIKE WE HAVE CON FOR
EVERY PUBLIC CYCLE.
11:38:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF NOT, HOW MANY MORE SLIDES DO YOU HAVE?
11:39:04AM >>ERIC COTTON:
I BELIEVE I HAVE TWO MORE.
11:39:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY, GO AHEAD.
11:39:08AM >>ERIC COTTON:
27-284.34.3.
LANDSCAPE BEFORE SESSION.
AGAIN, AS YOU HEARD SOMEONE MENTION BEFORE OF THE PRIVATELY
INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENTS.
PRIVATELY INITIATED AMENDMENT IN 2022 OF GROUP A TO USE
GROUP.
GROUP USAY IN ENGLISH IS A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME, FOR EXAMPLE
GROUP C WILL BE AN AUTO REPAIR FACILITY OR MEDICAL OFFICE.
WHAT WAS AMENDED TO THE COULD HE HAD WAS REQUIRED FOR THE
FIRST TIME GROUP USE A REQUIRED 15-FOOT BUFFER AND MASONRY
BALL TO THE GROUP.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE WALL OR THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
COMING IN NEXT DOOR AND BUILDING A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME, YOU
NOW HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT 15-FOOT BEFORE TAKE A TYPICAL
50-FOOT-SIDE LOT.
SEVEN PUT ON ONE SIDE FOR THE QUARTERBACK AND -- THAT WILL
-- NORMALLY THE BURDEN ON THE NONRESIDENTIAL USE TO PROVIDE
THE BUFFER.
IN THE CIRCUMSTANCES YOU ARE BUYING A HOUSE NEXT DOOR ARE
YOU KNOW IT IS THERE.
DON'T BRING IT TO TODAY'S STANDARD.
THAT IS WHAT THAT TEXT AMENDMENT IS FOR.
11:40:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM?
11:40:49AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING.
THIS WAS PRIVATELY INITIATED.
IT WAS PUT IT THE TABLE WRONG.
THE HOUSE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO BUFFER TO THE COMMERCIAL.
FROM 100-FOOT DEPTH LOT, SUCKS UP THE 15 FOOT AND THEY HAVE
TO PUT IN THE WALLS.
AMENDMENT COMES THROUGH AND PEOPLE HAVE SEEN THIS NUMBER OF
TIMES.
CODE COMES IN THE WALL AND 15 FEET ON MY SINGLE-FAMILY
PIECE.
AND THAT -- SO THAT WAS -- IT WAS SEEN AS AN ERROR IN HOW
THE PRIVATE TEXT AMENDMENT WAS PROCESSED.
AND WE ARE TRYING TO CORRECT THAT.
AND PUT IT BACK TO THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.
11:41:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM?
11:41:33AM >> I AM GOOD.
11:41:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.
11:41:36AM >> WE AGREE WITH STAFF.
STEVE MICHELINI.
A HARDSHIP PLACED ON THE RESIDENTS THAT SHOULDN'T BE THERE.
SHOULD BE ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OR THE OTHER SIDE WHICHEVER
IS MORE INTENSIVE.
11:41:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. COTTON, LAST SLIDE.
11:41:51AM >>ERIC COTTON:
SECOND TO LAST SLIDE.
I HAVE THE SCHEDULE NEXT.
SECOND TO LAST SLIDE IN THE CODE 27-09.6.
SORRY FOR THE -- FOR AC UNITS AND POOL EQUIPMENT.
WHAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THAT, EXCUSE ME, ARE GENERATORS.
BECAUSE WHEN -- WHEN THAT CODE AMENDMENT -- WHEN THAT CODE
WAS WRITTEN BACK IN THE '820s, GENERATORS.
WHOLE HOUSE GENERATORS WERE NOT A THING.
AMEND THE CODE TO ALLOW FOR WHOLE HOUSE GENERATORS TO BE
PLACED AT THE SAME SETBACK AS AN AC UNIT OR POOL EQUIPMENT.
THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THE FRONT YARD AT ALL BUT REAR AND
SIDE YARDS WITH REDUCED SETBACKS FROM THE HOUSE.
DISCUSSION BROUGHT UP TWO DAYS AGO THAT I WAS GOING TO
INCLUDE IN THIS REQUEST, WHICH IS FOR M FLOOD ZONES.
TECO REQUIRED THE ELECTRIC BOX TO BE OUT OF THE FLOOD ZONE.
THEY ALSO REQUIRE A STAND FOR THE STAFF TO GO UP AND SERVICE
THE BOX SO THEY ARE NOT DOING IT OFF OF A LADDER.
I WAS GOING TO PROPOSE ANOTHER AMENDMENT AS PART OF THIS
SECTION THE ELECTRICAL BOXES AND THE STAND REQUIRED BY TECO
TO ALLOW FOR THAT.
THAT IS THE SECOND TO LAST SLIDE.
11:43:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS.
YES, SIR, YOUR LAST SLIDE.
11:43:14AM >>ERIC COTTON:
MY LAST SLIDE.
NEXT STEPS.
CONTINUE TO IS JANUARY 28.
WHAT -- I THINK WHAT MISS POYNOR WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER
THE PUBLIC WORKSHOPS.
WE USUALLY DO TWO PUBLIC WORKSHOPS.
THEY ARE VIRTUAL AND WE WILL HAVE THEM AT NIGHT.
MID-FEBRUARY.
WE WILL HAVE THEM IN THE EVENING.
WE WILL START TO GET COMMENTS BACK FROM THE PUBLIC AND
ACTUALLY CRAFT THE LANGUAGE, WHICH WILL THEN COME BACK TO
CITY COUNCIL.
THAT IS WHEN YOU WILL SEE THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE WHAT IS BEING
PROPOSED.
IF YOU AGREE WITH IT, GREAT.
IF YOU WANT TO DO AMENDMENTS.
WE CAN AMENDMENTS AT THAT POINT.
ONCE THAT IS ACCOMPLISHED THEY TRANSMIT THAT LANGUAGE TO THE
PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE HAVE OUR BRIEFING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND THE HEARING WAS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING
COMMISSION.
THEY COME BACK FOR FIRST AND SECOND READING.
HOPEFULLY BY THE MIDDLE OF AUGUST, END THE AUGUST WE WILL
HAVE IT GO THROUGH AND AMENDED TO OUR CODE.
11:44:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:44:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
CAN YOU PUT THE LIST OF ALL OF THEM UP AGAIN?
NOT THE COUNCIL ONES.
I DIDN'T WRITE DOWN EXACTLY THE ONES I WANT MORE DETAIL ON.
BECAUSE I WANTED MORE DETAIL ON 27-60.
AND I THINK --
11:44:48AM >>ERIC COTTON:
27-71.
11:44:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
27-71.
SO YOU ARE SAYING, GOING BACK TO THE DATES --
11:44:57AM >>ERIC COTTON:
YES.
11:44:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
-- YOU ARE SAYING YOU WILL HAVE ALL YOU HAVE
THIS READY TO GO WITH DRAFT LANGUAGE IN FEBRUARY/MARCH?
11:45:08AM >> WE SHOULD HAVE DRAFT LANGUAGE TO PRESENT THE CONCEPTUALS
AGAIN TO THE PUBLIC LETTING THEM KNOW WHAT CHANGES WE AS
STAFF ARE PLANNING IN A LITTLE GREATER DETAIL.
ONCE WE GET THAT, PROVIDE THE FINALIZED LANGUAGE TO CITY
COUNCIL.
11:45:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IN AUGUST?
11:45:24AM >>ERIC COTTON:
IN MAY.
BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE A TRANSMITTAL HEARING AND COME BACK
AT A WORKSHOP.
11:45:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM GOING TO THAT THE CHANGES TO 27-60 AND
27-71 COME AS A WRITTEN STAFF REPORT ON FEBRUARY 20.
IS THAT DOABLE?
THAT GIVES YOU TIME TO GET IT INTO ON BASE AND THOSE THINGS?
THOSE CHANGES I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS A WRITTEN STAFF REPORT
SO I CAN VISUALIZE AND SEE THEM CLEARER.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO ADD?
I MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE -- CAN YOU PUT THOSE UP ON AGAIN FOR
ME.
11:45:55AM >>ERIC COTTON:
SORRY.
LOOKING AT MY NOTES.
11:45:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM MAKING A MOTION TO HAVE STAFF GIVE --
GIVE SPECIFIC DETAILS TO 27-60 ALTERNATIVE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS
CHANGES.
AND 27-71, SITE PLAN FOR SPECIAL USES DESIGN EXCEPTIONS FOR
VARIANCE REVIEW BOARDS, STANDARDS THEY WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE
AS A WRITTEN REPORT ON 20th.
11:46:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION AND SECOND.
ALL RIGHT.
YES, SIR.
11:46:28AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MR. COTTON AND MISS
FEELEY AND YOUR STAFF.
VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT AND VERY WELL-DONE.
THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING THE PUBLIC SECTOR.
I KNOW YOU PROBABLY DO THIS ALREADY, BUT BE SURE TO INCLUDE
THE BUILDER ASSOCIATION -- AND ANY OTHER RELEVANT
ORGANIZATIONS TO HELP GET THE WORD OUT.
THE BUILDERS ASSOCIATION WILL HELP GET THE BUILDER OUT AND
T.H.A.N. CAN GET THE NEIGHBORS OUT.
BUT WANT TO HAVE ROBUST INPUT ON IT.
THANK YOU.
11:46:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LAST ITEM OF THE DAY, NUMBER 6, A MOTION
BY COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
WHOEVER WISHES TO KICK IT OFF, AND I GO TO COUNCILWOMAN
HENDERSON.
DO YOU ALL HAVE ANYTHING TO PRESENT?
11:47:16AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I THOUGHT YOU ASKED IF THE COUNCILMEMBER
WANTED TO KICK IT OFF AND THEN WE GO INTO A PRESENTATION.
11:47:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU FIRST AND THEN THE COUNCILMEMBER.
11:47:22AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
PERFECT.
THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
ABBYE FEELEY, ADMINISTRATOR FOR ECONOMIC ABILITY.
WITH ME TODAY, SENIOR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, SUSAN
JOHNSON-VELEZ.
WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY A 30-MINUTE PRESENTATION FOR OUT BE
THIS.
ON THE LARGE DIGITAL FORMAT SIGNS ITEM NUMBER 6 ON YOUR
AGENDA TODAY.
IF CCTV CAN BRING THAT UP.
OKAY.
THANK YOU.
SUSAN AND I WILL PRESENT TO YOU TOGETHER.
AND WE WILL HAND OUT ON DIFFERENT SECTIONS AS WE MOVE
THROUGH IT.
I DO HAVE AN OVERVIEW WHAT WE WILL TOUCH ON TODAY.
COUNCIL MADE THE MOTION FOR THIS TO COME -- HOW CAN I SEE
THIS ON MY SCREEN?
THANK YOU.
MAGIC.
SUSAN AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING SINCE -- OVER AT THE HOLIDAYS
THROUGH DECEMBER TO REVIEW OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.
AS THIS DISCUSSION WAS BROUGHT FORWARD, OTHER MUNICIPALITIES
WERE REFERENCED AS TO THE CODES THAT THEY HAD AND HOW WE
COULD LOOK TO THOSE CODES TO BE ABLE TO INCLUDE THAT OR
CONSIDER THAT TO BE THE APPROACH THAT THE CITY TAKES.
SO WE WILL GO THROUGH SOME OF WHAT WE DISCOVERED THROUGH
THAT PROCESS WITH YOU THIS MORNING ALSO A VERY VIEW OF THE
CURRENT CITY SIGN CODES.
OFFSITE SIGNAGE THAT IS CURRENTLY PROHIBITED IN THE CITY
CODE, WE WANT TO SHARE REQUEST WITH YOU SOME OF THE SIGN
DEFINITIONS, WHAT THE CHANGES MEANS AND A BRIEF DISCUSSION
ON FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS AND THE ABILITY TO LIMIT ANY COPY
AREA OR ADVERTISEMENT ON THOSE SIGNS WE WILL GO THROUGH A
BRIEF PRESENTATION ON THE PLAN.
THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT SPEAKS TO SIGNS AND THE
INTENT.
ALSO OUR SIGN CODE WHICH I LEFT OUT OF THIS OVERVIEW.
VISION ZERO, AND THE BILLBOARD SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT THAT YOU
ARE FAMILIAR WITH, AND WE WILL DIVE A LITTLE BIT DEEPER IN
THAT, AND PROVISIONS THAT ARE IN THERE THAT MAY IMPACT THE
APPROACH TAKEN BY THE CITY.
AND LASTLY, WE WILL SHARE YOU WITH OUR PROPOSED APPROACH
BASED ON ALL OF THESE CONTRIBUTING FACTORS THAT HAVE GONE
INTO THIS PRESENTATION.
SO REVIEW OF OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.
AND I THINK DANA IS STILL HERE.
DANA SPOKE AND ASSISTED US ON SOME OF THE LIFTING ON THIS.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE ADOPTED
DIFFERENT SIGN PLANS.
SOME OF THEM HAVE SET-UP SPECIAL DISTRICTS.
SOME OF THEM HAVE HAD A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SIGNS.
SOME OF THEM HAD DIRECT LOCATION WHERE IS THE SIGNS HAVE TO
GROW AND I WILL SHARE WITH YOU SOME OF THAT.
MOST OF THEM, THE PROCESS TOOK THEM 18 TO 24 MONTHS WITH
BALTIMORE.
WITH BALTIMORE, THEY FINISHED IN 2022 AND THEY JUST SAW THE
FIRST SIGNS TO GO IN.
A STREET VIEW TO SHOW FOR YOU AS WELL.
MOST ALL ARE ESTABLISHED FOR A CERTAIN REASON, EITHER
PLACEMAKING, TO CREATE CERTAIN DISTRICTS, TO CREATE LOOKS
AND FEELS OF PLACES AND I WILL SHARE THAT AND SEE THAT IN
WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING OR OUR PROPOSED APPROACH, WE ARE
LOOKING AT PLACEMAKING IN THAT IS THE DESIRE OF COUNCIL.
SO BALTIMORE IS DONE.
THIS IS A SHOT FROM THEIR DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP PLAN DONE
FLEW THEIR DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP.
IS AND WHY IS TO BENEFIT ARTIST, SMALL BUSINESSES AND
VITALITY.
THEY TALK OF GIVING CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE DWELL TIME OF
THE SIGN TO ASSIST SMALL BUSINESSES.
THEY ALSO THIS APPROACH HAS AS LIMITED NUMBER.
AND STARTED WITH A LIMITED NUMBER OF SIGNS.
THEY ACTUALLY SAID THE LOCATIONS WHERE THEY COULD GO.
AND THEN IN THEIR SIGN PLAN, THEY SHOW YOU RENDERINGS OF
SIGNS AND TALK TO THEM IN THE SIGN CODE.
SHOW YOU THE CITATIONS.
WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE.
AND THIS IS THE RENDERING AND THE ACTUAL SIGN.
IT IS NOT VISIBLE FROM ALL SIDES OF GOOGLE EARTH RIGHT NOW.
IF YOU GO BACK AND SEE THIS IS WHERE IT SHOWS, THE SIZE OF
IT.
HERE IS THE INSTALLATION.
AND THIS IS ON THE PARKING GARAGE AND THAT SIGN IS SPEAKING
TO SOME COMMUNITY EVENTS.
FRIDAY NIGHT EVENTS THAT ARE COMING UP.
SO THAT JUST WANTED TO SHARE YOU WITH SOME OF THE
IMPLEMENTATION AND DIFFERENT APPROACHES.
IN DENVER, THEY, TOO, HAD A SPECIAL DISTRICT.
THAT IS THEIR THEATRE DISTRICT.
AND THEY HAVE THAT GENERAL PURPOSE.
THE FIRST ONE I WOULD LIKE TO READ, THE FACILITATE THE
CREATION OF AN UNIQUE DOWNTOWN THEATRE DISTRICT AND BUILD ON
THE CHARACTER OF THE DENVER PERFORMING ARTS COMPLEX.
IN THEIR PURPOSE THEY TALK OF THE FLEXIBILITY, SIZE AND
LOCATION; HOWEVER, I AM GOING TO SHOW NEW JUST A MOMENT,
THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH EACH OF THEIR BLOCKS AND ONLY YOU
WHERE THE SIGNS CAN GO.
THEIR SIGN CODE IS ABOUT 87 PAGES OF JUST GOING THROUGH EACH
OF THE BUILDINGS.
LASTLY, IT DOES TALK ABOUT MITIGATING ANY ADVERSE IMPACT OF
THE LARGE FORMAT SIGN.
IN KEEPING THROUGH THE WEST HOLLYWOOD, SUNSET STRIP
MUNICIPALITY, THEIR SIGN CODE HAS BEEN IN FOR FIVE YEARS.
AND WE DID RESEARCH THAT THEY ARE JUST REVISITING TO ADDRESS
CONCERNS RAISED BY RESIDENTS IN TERMS OF THE LIGHTING AND
THE ADVERSE IMPACTS THAT THEY ARE HAVING.
THEY DID A LIGHTING STUDY WITH THEIR SIGN PLAN.
THEY DID AN IMPACT ON WILDLIFE STUDY IN THEIR SIGN
DEVELOPMENT.
SO JUST SHOWING YOU KIND OF HOW EACH OF THESE CITIES HAVE
DIFFERENT EFFORTS AND REQUIRED DIFFERENT INPUTS.
AND ALL REACHED DIFFERENT CONCLUSIONS HOW THEY ARE
IMPLEMENTING.
THIS IS THE EXAMPLE OF THE DENVER SIGN CODE.
IT SHOWS YOU WE JUST PULLED OUT A COUPLE DIFFERENT PAGES AND
SHOWS YOU THE BUILDING FACADE, WHERE THOSE SIGNS CAN SHOW.
THEY DO NOT ALLOW THEM ON HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
ANOTHER FEET FROM HERE THAT OUTLINES THE AREAS WHERE THE
SIGNS CAN GO RELATIVE TO THEIR DIFFERENT SIGN TYPE
ALLOWANCES.
HERE ARE JUST SOME OF THE ACTUAL INSTALLATIONS.
ON THE LEFT, THAT IS THEIR PERFORMING ARTS.
I THINK THAT IS CHICK-FIL-A BEING ADVERTISED ON THERE.
AND THEN ANOTHER BUILDING IN -- IN THE DENVER AREA.
I AM GOING TO TURN THE NEXT SECTION OVER TO SUSAN OF THE
CITY OF TAMPA SIGN CODES AND OUR DEFINITIONS.
11:55:07AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
THANK YOU, ABBYE.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
STILL BARELY MORNING.
SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I WANT TO GO OVER WITH YOU EXISTING DECISIONS OF SIGNS IN
OUR SIGN CODE.
WHEN WE DO AMENDMENTS TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WE TAKE
INTO ACCOUNT OTHER THINGS EXIST IN THERE.
SO THERE IS -- THE FIRST ONE THAT I WANTED TO CALL YOUR
ATTENTION TO IS -- IS -- OOPS.
SECTION 27-289.7 IN THE CODE, WHICH -- WHICH PROVIDES A
LAUNDRY LIST OF SIGNS THAT ARE CURRENTLY PROHIBITED IN OUR
SIGN CODE.
SO I LISTED THREE THERE, PARTICULARLY THAT ARE RELEVANT TO
THIS DISCUSSION THAT IS ACTIVATED SIGNS, EXCEPT ELECTRONIC
MESSAGE, BILLBOARD SIGNS AND OFF-SITE SIGNS.
I WANT TO PUT UP THE LIST ON THE ELMO OF -- OF REALLY KIND
OF THE COMPLETE LAUNDRY LIST THAT INCLUDES IF YOU CAN CUE
THE ELMO PLEASE.
11:56:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ACTIVATE WOLF VISION.
IT IS CALLED THE WOLF VISION AND MARE DRAMATIC.
11:56:25AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
OTHER THAN ELMO.
OKAY.
27-289.7 AND INCLUDES A TABLE OF PROHIBITED SIGN TYPES.
ACTIVATED SIGNS THERE AND NONCONFORMING BILLBOARD SIGNS WITH
DIFFERENT SEGMENTS OF THE SIGN CODE.
IT INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, SNIPE SIGNS, VARIOUS DIFFERENT TYPES
OF SIGNS.
OFF-SITE SIGNS ARE LISTED.
I WILL GO THROUGH THOSE THREE SPECIFIC DEFINITIONS FOR THREE
DIFFERENT TYPES OF SIGNS I HIGHLIGHTED THERE, BUT YOU CAN
SEE NO CONDITION UPON WHICH OFF-SITE SIGNS CAN CURRENTLY
EXIST IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
LET'S TAKE MOMENT AND JUST LOOK AT THESE DEFINITIONS.
IF I CAN HAVE THE -- THANK YOU.
ACTIVATED SIGNS AS YOU CAN SEE THERE.
ANY LINE THAT CONTAINS OR USES FOR ILLUMINATION ANY LIGHT,
LIGHTING DEVICE OR LIGHTS THAT CHANGE COLOR, WHICH FLASH,
WHICH ALTERNATE OR CHANGE APPEARANCE OF THE SIGN OR ANY
APPEARANCE AUTOMATICALLY.
AND YOU CAN SEE THERE, AGAIN, THAT EXCEPTION FOR ELECTRONIC
MESSAGE SIGNS.
ACTIVATED SIGNS ARE SIGNS THAT INCLUDE MOVING PARTS AS PART
OF THEIR NORMAL OPERATIONS OR DEPICT COPY THAT MOVES OR
APPEARS TO BE MOVING ALL THOSE ARE CONSIDERED ACTIVATED --
ACTIVATED SIGNS ALL PROHIBITED IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
BILLBOARD SIGN FREE-STANDING OFF-SITE SIGNS.
IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT DEFINITION ANY SIGN THAT IDENTIFIES OR
ADVERTISES A USE, ESTABLISHMENT, PRODUCT OR UTILITY OR
SERVICE THAT IS NOT SOLD, PRODUCED OR MANUFACTURED ON THE
PARCEL ON WHICH THE SIGN IS LOCATED.
I DO HAVE SOME EXAMPLES FOR YOU TOO BEFORE I FINISH GOING
THROUGH THESE DEFINITIONS.
THAT IS A BILLBOARD SIGN.
AND OFF-SITE SIGNS, ANY SIGN THAT -- THERE IS COMMERCIAL
ADVERTISEMENT FOR ANY PRODUCT OR SERVICE OR ANYTHING THAT IS
NOT AVAILABLE OR SOLD ON THAT PARCEL.
AND SO I JUST HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF EACH OF THESE.
AN ACTIVATED SIGN.
IF CCTC PLAY THE YOUTUBE VIDEO.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF AN ACTIVATED SIGN.
YOU CAN SEE THIS SIGN DOES HAVE ILLUMINATION.
IT CHANGES.
IT HAS -- CHANGES THE APPEARANCE OF THE SIGN AUTOMATICALLY,
THERE IS MOVEMENT IN THE SIGN.
SO THIS IS -- THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF AN ACTIVATED SIGN.
NEXT WE HAVE BILLBOARD SIGNS.
YOU CAN SEE THERE, THERE IS ONE IN A PRETTY URBAN AREA NEAR
HIGHWAY.
THIS ONE ON THE RIGHT IS ACTUALLY -- AS YOU COME OFF THE
RAMP OF SOUTHBOUND 275 AS YOU ARE COMING OFF OF THE DOWNTOWN
EXITS, THIS ISD THIS IS A BILLBOARD AT THAT THE LOCATION.
THIS APPEARS -- TO BE THE SIZE OF THE SETTLEMENT OF 672
SQUARE FEET.
THAT IS THE SIZE THAT IS ALLOWED FOR BILLBOARDS THAT ARE
NEAR HIGHWAYS.
AND THEN FINALLY, WE HAVE OFF-SITE SIGNS.
TWO WITHIN DOWNTOWN TAMPA RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS ACTUALLY CADDY CORNER TO CITY HALL.
YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IT IN YOUR COMINGS AND GOINGS FROM THIS
VERY BUILDING.
ONE TO THE RIGHT, ON THE TOP OF THE BUILDING TWO SIGNS THAT
ARE ACTUALLY OFFSITE.
THEY ADVERTISE DIFFERENT -- DIFFERENT THINGS.
IT IS A LITTLE HARD TO SEE THE COPY, BUT THEY DO ADVERTISE
THINGS THAT ARE NOT OFFERED FOR SALE AT THE POWELL WEALTH
BUILDING.
SO THE CITY HAS -- HAS KIND OF A PROBLEM WITH THESE TYPES OF
SIGNS ALREADY EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE PROHIBITED IN THE CODE
AND I WANTED COUNCIL TO BE AWARE THAT THERE ARE SOME.
AND THIS IS NOT ALL OF THEM THAT ARE IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA EVEN
AS WE SIT HERE TODAY.
AND THEN FINALLY, THE LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS WITH SIGNS IN
GENERAL IS THAT ONCE WE -- WHATEVER TYPES OF SIGNS WE ALLOW,
WE HAVE VERY LIMITED ABILITY TO LIMIT THE MESSAGE THAT IS ON
THAT SIGN.
OUR REGULATIONS HAVE TO BE CONTENT NEUTRAL, BECAUSE -- IF
YOU HAVE CONTENT BASE LAWS, THOSE ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
SO -- THE REGULATION IS CONTENT PACED IF A LAW APPLIES TO
PARTICULAR SPEECH BECAUSE OF THE TOPIC DISCUSSED OR THE IDEA
OR MESSAGE EXPRESSED.
SO WE SAW A LOT OF DIFFERENT MESSAGES ON SOME OF THE
EXAMPLES THAT ABBYE SHOWED YOU AND SOME THAT I JUST SHOWED
YOU OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF SIGNAGE BUT WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT
ONCE THE SIGN SAGE IS ALLOWED.
UNDER THAT FIRST BULLET OR AMENDMENT.
UNDER NO POWER TO RESTRICT UNDER THE MESSAGES, IDEAS OR
SUBJECT MATTER FOR CONTENTS.
AND SO, WE TOOK A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A
BACKDROP OF EXISTING THINGS.
AND ABBY IS GOING TO DESCRIBE FOR YOU NOW JUST VARIOUS CODES
AND OTHER PLANS WITHIN THE CITY THAT EXIST TODAY THAT ALSO
-- THAT WE HAD TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
12:01:45PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THANKS, SUSAN.
IN DRAFTING OUR APPROACH THAT WILL BE PRESENTED IN THE NEXT
SECTION, WE WANTED TO ENSURE THAT OUR CON SETTLEMENTS WERE
IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR CURRENT CITY PLANS THAT ARE ON THE
BOOKS TODAY.
THIS INCLUDES THE COMP PLAN, THE SIGN CODE, THE CENTRAL
BUSINESS DISTRICT CODE, THE VISION ZERO GOALS, AND ALSO, THE
BILLBOARD SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT.
THAT SHAPED PART OF US BEING ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER AND
APPROACH AND BRING THAT APPROACH TO YOU.
JUST TO -- I WILL TOUCH ON THE SIGN CODE.
IN THE SIGN CODE, 27-289 HAS A PURPOSE AND INTENT SECTION.
AND THAT PURPOSE AND INTENT SHOWN HERE FOR YOU COUPLE OF
THINGS I HIGHLIGHTED THAT I WOULD LIKE TO READ SPEAKS OF THE
REGULATIONS THAT ALLOW AND ENCOURAGE CREATIVE, EFFECTIVENESS
AND FLEXIBILITY IN THE DESIGN AND USE OF SUCH DEVICES
PROMOTING TRAFFIC SAFETY AND AVOIDING AN ENVIRONMENT OF
VISUAL BLIGHT.
SAFETY OF MOTORISTS, CYCLISTS, PEDESTRIANS OF THE PUBLIC
STREETS AND HOW THEY ARE AFFECTED BY THE NUMBER, SIZE,
LOCATION, LIGHTING AND MOVEMENT OF SIGNS THAT DIVERT THE
ATTENTION OF DRIVERS.
UNCONTROLLED AND UNLIMITED SIGNS MAY ALSO DEGRADE THE
AESTHETIC ATTRACTIVENESS OF THE NATURAL AND MAN-MADE
ATTRIBUTES OF THE COMMUNITY AND BE THERE, UNDERMINE THE
ECONOMIC OF TOURISM, VISITATION AND PERMANENT ECONOMIC
GROWTH.
AND I THINK THAT IS WHERE -- IN DEVELOPING THE PURPOSE AND
INTENT FOR THE APPROACH, WE TRIED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE
PURPOSE AND INTENT THAT IS ALREADY IN OTHER SECTIONS OUR
CODE.
THE SIGN CODE ALSO TALKS ABOUT VIEW CORRIDORS, AS DOES THE
CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT CODE.
THIS IS THE SECTION OF THE SIGN CODE THAT REFERS TO THE CBD.
CBD, I WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT ON.
BECAUSE YOU DON'T SEE A LOT THAT COMES FROM THE CENTRAL
BUSINESS DISTRICT BECAUSE PREDOMINANTLY A FORM-BASED CODE OF
THE CITY.
THERE IS A DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS THAT THE
APPLICATIONS GO THROUGH.
AND THEN IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES WITH GETTING THOSE APPROVED
OR THEY PUT IN EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE NOT SUPPORTED OR IN
CONCERT WITH THE CODE, THOSE THEN BECOME BEFORE YOU.
BUT THE CDB ALSO HAS A PURPOSE WHEN IT GOES BECAUSE
CONSIDERED A SPECIAL DISTRICT OF THE SIT AND CREATE A PUBLIC
HIGH QUALITY THROUGH THE REGULATION OF THE PHYSICAL FORM OF
BUILDINGS, STREETS AND OPEN SPACES, THE FORM AND MASS OF
BUILDINGS IN RELATION TO ONE ANOTHER.
AND THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY RELATIONSHIPS
BETWEEN BUILDING FACADES AND THE PUBLIC REALM.
LASTLY IN THE LAST EXCEPTION, IT GOES BACK AND CROSS
REFERENCES SOME OF WHAT THE SIGN CODE SAY AND ALSO
IDENTIFIES THAT IS TO PROVIDE REGULATIONS WITH I ALLOW AND
ENCOURAGE CREATIVITY, EFFECTIVENESS AND FLEXIBILITY IN THE
DESIGN AND USE OF LAND WHILE PROMOTING TRAFFIC SAFETY AND
AVOIDING AN ENVIRONMENT THAT ENCOURAGES VISUAL BLIGHT.
I WANTED TO TOUCH ON WHERE THE VIEW CORRIDORS ARE, BECAUSE I
FEEL THAT IS REALLY RELEVANT IN THE APPROACH WE ARE
PROVIDING FOR YOU AS WELL.
THERE ARE TWO OF THEM.
YOU WILL SEE ONE UP IN THE CURTIS HIXON SECTION.
AND I DID -- OOPS.
I HAVE A BLOW UP OF THAT.
AND THEN THERE IS ONE THAT IS DOWN IN THE SOUTHERN SECTION
NEAR COAT AND CHOBY PARKS THAT SHOWS -- THEY ARE THOSE RED
DOTTED LINES.
YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IN BOTTOM OF THE MAP,
INCLUDES THE CORRIDORS AND THE CYCLE TRACK AND THE SELMON
TRAIL AND THEY ARE DEPICTED ON THE MAP TO SHOW WHERE YOU
THOSE ARE.
EVEN PROPOSING THE DISTRICTS SHOW YOU THE PURPOSE AND THE
LOCATIONS AND THE POTENTIAL CONSIDERATIONS, THEY WILL NEED
TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD CORRIDORS AS
ESTABLISHED BY THE PLAN.
VISION ZERO.
I KNOW WE TALK ABOUT THAT A LOT.
COUNCIL SPEAKS ABOUT THAT A LOT.
WHAT IS "VISION ZERO?"
I WANTED TO TOUCH BACK ON THAT.
TALKS OF SHIFTING OUR THINKING UPSTREAM TO PREVENT PROBLEMS
BEFORE IT HAPPENS.
TALKS OF BEHAVIORS.
AND TOP THREE BEHAVIORS IN ACCIDENTS AGGRESSIVE DRIVING,
INTOXICATION AND DISTRACTED DRIVING.
WE WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE ARE WORKING TO LIMIT DISTRACTED
DRIVING AND TO ENCOURAGE THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE ZERO
PLAN.
I WILL TURN IT OVER TO SUSAN TO TALK OF THE BILLBOARD
SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT AND WE WILL GO INTO OUR APPROACH FOR
YOU TODAY.
12:06:40PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
AGAIN, SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
DEPARTMENT.
SOME OF YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THE BILLBOARD SETTLEMENT
AGREEMENT.
IT IS A FEW VARIOUS AGREEMENTS THAT DATES BACK TO 1986 OF
WHICH THE CITY SOUGHT TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF BILLBOARDS THAT
KIND OF DOT THE LANDSCAPE OF THE CITY.
SO IT WAS PRIMARILY WITH ONE PROVIDER, THE LARGEST BILLBOARD
BUSINESS IN -- IN THE CITY AT THE TIME.
AND IT IS CURRENTLY CLEARCHANNEL AND THOSE AGREEMENTS
REQUIRE THE DOWNSIZING OF BILLBOARD AND ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE
CITY.
REQUIRES THE BILLBOARD COMPANY TO REMOVE BILLBOARD HAVE THE
CORRIDORS.
AND IN EXCHANGE, THE SIT ALLOWED THEM TO RELOCATE BILLBOARDS
THEY WERE REQUIRED TO MOVE.
AS A RESULT OF THOSE AGREEMENTS, 557 BILLBOARD HAVE BEEN
REMOVED FROM THE CITY LANDSCAPE THROUGHOUT THE CITY
OVER YEARS.
AND UNDER THE CODE, THEY HAVE TO EXCHANGE TEN SIGNS IN ORDER
TO RELOCATE AND CHANGE THOSE TO, FOR EXAMPLE, ELECTRONIC
MESSAGE SIGNS AND.
BETWEEN THE BILLBOARD AND THE EXISTING SIGN CODE.
SETTLEMENT SAY THAT IS CITY MAY IMPLEMENT NEW LAND
REGULATIONS AND I HAVE THAT HERE FOR YOU ON THIS NEXT SLIDE.
A COUPLE OF KEY AREAS THAT I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED.
CITY CAN'T ENFORCE ANY NEW REGULATIONS IN A MANNER THAT
CONFLICTS WITH OR I BELIEVE CONSISTENT WITH CLEARCHANNEL'S
VESTED RIGHTS.
IF THE CITY AMEND THEIR SIGN REGULATIONS FOR NEW TECHNOLOGY
OR MATERIAL SUCH AS ACTIVATED SIGNS OR ANY WAY CHANGE THE
EXISTING LIMITATIONS OBJECT SIGNS, THEN THE BILLBOARD
COMPANY MAY ALSO USE SUCH TECHNOLOGY AND MATERIAL.
THIS SPECIFIC LANGUAGE COULD -- I JUST WANT COUNCIL TO BE
AWARE -- COULD OPEN THE DOOR FOR USE YOU HAVE THIS
TECHNOLOGY BY -- BY THE BILLBOARD COMPANY THAT WE HAVE THIS
AGREEMENT WITH TO -- TO APPLY THAT TECHNOLOGY SIGNS THAT ARE
ALREADY PERMITTED SO NOT WITHSTANDING THE PROCESS WE ARE
GOING TO PROPOSE THAT WOULD HAVE THESE NEW SIGNS WITHIN
DOWNTOWN TO COME TO COUNCIL.
THERE COULD BE APPLICATION OF TECHNOLOGY.
SIGNS THAT ALREADY EXIST THAT WILL NOT COME TO COUNCIL THAT
WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO COME TO COUNCIL.
AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL IS AWARE OF THAT.
AND THEN THE BILLBOARD COMPANY COULD PERMIT NEW SIGNS
PURSUANT TO ANY CHANGE COUNCIL MOVES FORWARD WITH AT THIS
TIME.
SOME WE HAVE TAKEN A FEW MINUTES TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THESE
THINGS AGAIN, WE WANTED TO SET A BACKDROP OF WHICH ABBYE AND
I LOOKED AT THESE PROPOSALS AND SET THE TABLE FOR WHY WE ARE
BRINGING FORTH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT IS WE ARE.
THIS WOULD REPRESENT A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN SIGN
POLICY FOR THE CITY WHICH HAS.
AND THE PURPOSE AND INTENT IN THE CDB AND THE SIGN CODE
WHICH HAVE FOR THE LAST FEW DECADES REALLY ACHIEVED IN LARGE
PART THE GOAL OF NOT CREATING A VISUAL BLIGHT.
AND WE WANT COUNCIL TO BE AWARE OF THIS WHEN YOU CONSIDER
WHAT ABBYE IS GOING TO PRESENT TO YOU.
12:10:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE LAST PART OF THE PRESENTATION.
12:10:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I --
12:10:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AFTER SHE FINISHES, WE WILL GO TO YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
IT IS HER MOTION AND THEN GO TO YOU.
12:10:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT IS FINE.
12:10:47PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ALL THOSE THINGS BEING SAID AND IN CONCERT
WITH THAT, WE HAVE AN APPROACH, MUCH LIKE ERIC BROUGHT THE
TEXT AMENDMENTS CONCEPTS FOR APPROACH.
AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO PRINT TO YOU TODAY.
THE CREATION OF SPECIAL ASSIGNED DISTRICTS WITHIN CENTRAL
BUSINESS DISTRICT.
WE HAVE TWO OF THEM.
APPROVAL PROCESS WHICH WE ARE SUGGESTING AS SPECIAL USE
PROCESS THAT WILL COME TO THIS BOARD FOR APPROVAL.
AND THEN SOME OF THE SIGNAGE SPECIFICATIONS.
SOME OF THIS WE ARE STILL WORKING ON.
A LOT TO COVER AND ESPECIALLY IN THE ILLUMINATION STANDARDS,
NEITHER SUSAN NOR I ARE SIGN SPECIALS IN THIS AREA AND WE
ARE RESEARCHING THAT AND THAT IS KIND OF AN OPEN AREA.
I THINK WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT FURTHER WHEN WE GET THERE.
WE ARE PROPOSING A PURPOSE AND INTENT TO FACILITATE THE
CREATION OF UNIQUE AREAS FOR ARTS, CULTURE, SPORTS AND
ENTERTAINMENT EVENTS MUCH IN THE APRIL ALIGNMENT
AND BALTIMORE HAVING THAT PURPOSE AND INTENT.
EXPANDING THE ECONOMIC -- THE CITY'S ECONOMIC BASE BY
ATTRACTING TOURISM AND MAJOR EVENTS.
ENHANCING THE PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENTS IN PUBLIC SPACES.
I THINK WHEN THIS CONCEPT WAS BROUGHT UP DISCUSSIONS ON
PLACEMAKING WIND ALLOW FOR PLACEMAKING AND WE KEPT WITH THAT
THEME IN WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING.
ALLOW CREATIVE, FLEXIBLE SIGNAGE WHILE AVOIDING VISUAL
BLIGHT AND IN CON TICKET OTHER BUILT GATING ADVERSE IMPACTS.
LARGE SIGNS.
ON SURROUNDING USES.
WE WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF DISTANCE
ACCEPT RATION FROM OTHER USES.
RESIDENTIAL DISTANCE SEPARATIONS FROM SIGNS FROM EACH OTHER.
SO THE TWO DISTRICTS ARE A MUSEUM AND ARTS DISTRICT AND A
CONVENTION AND CULTURAL DISTRICT.
AND WE HAVE PROPOSED A MAP THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
AND THE MUSEUM AND ARTS DISTRICT WILL RUN FROM THE STRAZ ALL
THE WAY DOWN TO KYLIE GARDENS.
AND MEN IN THE CONVENTION AND CULTURAL DISTRICT FROM THE
CONVENTION CENTER ALL THE WAY TO THE AQUARIUM.
AND A LITTLE OVER 110 ACRES IN THE DOWNTOWN.
MUCH LIKE THOSE OTHER PLANS THAT WENT BLOCK BY BLOCK,
BUILDING BY BUILDING.
WE DIDN'T HAVE CAPACITY TO DO THAT IN THIS TIME.
WE WANT TO HEAR FROM COUNCIL ON THAT.
BUT IN TERMS OF PLACEMAKING AND A PURPOSE AND LOOKING THAT
THE AS A WAY TO CREATE UNIQUE OPPORTUNITIES, THERE ARE WAS
STAFF'S SUGGESTION IN THIS AREA.
THE APPROVAL PROCESS THAT I JUST MENTIONED TO YOU, YOU ARE
VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE SPECIAL BE USE 2 PROCESS.
IT COMES KIND OF LIKE A PD.
SITE PLAN CONTROLLED AND HAVE A SITE PLAN WHERE ON THE
BUILDING IT WOULD BE GOING AND WILL HAVE ELEVATIONS MUCH
LIKE I SHOWED YOU IN THE BALTIMORE PLAN TO SHOW YOU WHAT
THAT SIGN WILL LOOK LIKE WHEN IT IS INSTALLED.
THEY WOULD HAVE A COMPLIANCE STATEMENT.
ARE THEY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE
DISTRICT.
WILL GO TO A STAFF REVIEW, AND THEN WE ARE ALSO SUGGESTING
THAT IT WILL GO TO THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP FOR A NONBINDING
RECOMMENDATION.
IT WOULD HAVE PUBLIC NOTICE IN THE 50 JUST LIKE THE OTHER
APPLICATION SO AS THAT NEIGHBOR AND OTHER ADJACENT PROPERTY
OWNERS WOULD HAVE NOTIFICATION THIS IS HAPPENING AND THEY
CAN COME DOWN AND SPEAK TO THAT AND HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS
JUST LIKE THE OTHER.
SIGNAGE SPECIFICATIONS CONSISTENT WITH BOTH THE SIGN CODE
AND THE CDB CODE, WE ARE PROPOSING THESE.
THESE WILL BECOME THOSE SECTION 27-132 CRITERIA.
MUCH LIKE YOU HAVE THEM FOR A DRIVE-THRU WINDOW.
LARGE DIGITAL FORMAT SIGNS AND HAVE THESE LARGE SETS OF
DRIVE TERESA.
OTHER ACTIONS, COUNCIL WILL BE ABLE TO WAIVE THESE CRITERIA
IF THANK IS WHAT THEY FELT WAS APPROPRIATE AND THE PUMPKIN
AND INTENT IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE BILLBOARD AGREEMENT WE ARE
SUGGESTING NO FREE-STANDING SIGNS.
WALL SIGNS ONLY.
MUCH OF WHAT WE SHOW YOU THIS MORNING ARE WALL SIGNS.
WALL SIGNS AND BUILDING SIGNS ONLY.
WE ARE SUGGESTING THERE IS PER DISTRICT.
THE SURFACE AREA -- I WILL SHOW YOU SOME VISUALS ON THAT.
SURFACE AREA BILLBOARD, 672 COMING IN FROM DOWNTOWN IF THE
RAYS PLAYER -- WE ARE SUGGESTING A STARTING POINT OF 650
SQUARE FEET.
AND, AGAIN, I WILL JUST MENTION IF YOU COME INTO COUNCIL FOR
THEIR APPROVAL.
AND THEY WANT TO ASK YOU FOR SOMETHING ELSE, THEY WOULD NEED
TO SHOW YOU MUCH LIKE WAIVER FROM THE JUSTIFICATION FOR
INCREASING THAT SIGN SPIES SHOULD BE.
AND THIS WILL BE OPEN TO YOUR APPROVAL.
SO HERE IS A BANNER RIGHT OUTSIDE OUR DOOR.
WHEN -- I KNOW A LOT OF TIME WHEN WE TALKING ABOUT FOOTAGE
AND WE TALK ABOUT -- NO REFERENCE OR POINT OF CONTACT.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN 1,000 SQUARE FEET.
THIS ONE OUT THERE I BELIEVE WAS YESTERDAY.
THIS IS A 13 X 20.
SO WE ROUGHLY SAY TEN FOOT A STORY.
THIS IS 260 SQUARE FEET.
TWO STORIES HIGH.
IN IS DOUBLE THAT AT 1,000 SQUARE FEET.
26 X 40.
AND THEN TRIPLING THAT.
YOU ALL KNOW, IT LEAVES EIGHT STORIES.
WHEN YOU LIFT THIS UP OFF OF THE GROUND AND PROVIDE, YOU ARE
ROUGHLY THE SIZE OF THE FULL BUILDING.
THIS IS 2340 SQUARE FEET.
SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING STARTING AT THAT 650 WHICH IS IN
BETWEEN THOSE TWO.
AND I THINK IT JUST GIVES YOU AT FRAME OF REFERENCE FOR THE
CONTEXT OF THE SIZE AS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE HAS GROWN.
PLACEMENT AND ILLUMINATION STANDARDS.
AS I MENTIONED, SOME DIFFERENT CODES WE LOOKED AT.
MIAMI-DADE HAS A BLANK WALL CONCEPT WHERE IT HAS TO GO ON A
BLANK WALL.
IT IS ACTUALLY MORE COMPLEMENTARY IN PROVIDING SOMETHING
THAT IS BETTER WITHIN THAT WAS THERE.
WE HAVE OF THIS DOWN RIGHT NOW AS SUBJECT TO APPLICATION AND
TO COUNCIL'S APPROVAL.
SO IT IS COMING AS SPECIAL USE.
THEY CAN SHOW YOU WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT IT.
ON THAT BUILDING FACADE.
AND THIS WILL BE UP TO YOU.
OR IF YOU HAVE THOUGHTS OR CONCEPTS ON THIS, WE CAN PUNT
THAT IN AS CRITERIA AS WELL.
SO WAS MORE.
-- WE ARE NOT REAL LEGAL -- WE GOT TO THE THIS POINT AND WE
ARE LIKE, WE ARE NOT REALLY SURE WITHOUT GOING BLOCK BY
BLOCK LIKE DENVER OR BALTIMORE DID OR IDENTIFYING TEN
LOCATIONS LIKE THEY DID TO SAY HERE IS WHERE WE FIND IT MOST
APPROPRIATE, THIS WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION NOW, BUT WE
ARE OPEN TO DISCUSSION ON THAT.
AND THEN THE ILLUMINATION STANDARDS, I THINK I TALKED ABOUT
THAT A LITTLE BIT SOME CITIES USE LUMENS, OTHER KNITS.
ALL DIFFERENT INDUSTRY STANDARDS AND WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT
THEY NEED TO BE AUTOMATIC DIMMING BASED ON THE AMBIENT
LIGHT.
ALSO, THERE COULD BE DARK FROM MIDNIGHT IT-TO-7 A.M. AND
SOME OTHER SPECIFICATIONS THAT GO INTO IT.
WE WANTED TO HEAR FROM COUNCIL AS TO YOUR EXPECTATIONS.
WHAT SHOULD GO INTO THIS SECTION.
DISTANCE SEPARATION.
SOME CODES ALLOW ONE PER BLOCK.
SOME HAVE A TOTAL AMOUNT.
AND THEN THERE IS DISTANCE SEPARATION.
AND THINKING ABOUT THIS IN TERMS OF LET'S SAY THE STRAZ AND
THE POE GARAGE AND AER AND THAT AREA THERE, OUR CITY BLOCKS
2107 X 10.
ONE PER BLOCK 200-FOOT SEPARATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED ANY SEPARATION AT ALL.
I NEED THAT DIRECTION FROM YOU WILL TODAY AND ALSO FROM
RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
SOMEBODY ALSO ASKED ME TO THINK ABOUT WHAT ABOUT DISTANCE
SEPARATION ALL OF THE RIVERWALK.
THAT IS A NATURAL AREA.
AND I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR DISCUSSION AND FEEDBACK ON
THAT.
AND WE ARE HAPPY TO INCORPORATE OF THAT AS WELL.
SO LASTLY, MAY NANCE AGREEMENT.
SO WE HAVE READ ABOUT SOME CHALLENGES THAT CITIES ARE
FACING.
THESE WERE FABOLOUS WHEN THEY WENT UP, BUT THEY HAVEN'T
REMAINED FABULOUS OVER THE YEARS WE HAVE BEEN INSTALLED.
AND I WOULD ASK THAT OUR CRITERIA INCLUDE SOMETHING RELATED
TO -- IF A SIGN MALFUNCTIONS IT WILL HAVE TO BE TURNED OFF
AND SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO BE THERE ON WITHOUT OPERATING.
AND ALSO, WE ARE -- THAT THERE SHOULD BE AN AGREEMENT THAT
THE SIGN NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED IN AN OPERATING STATE OF
ONGOING OPERATION OF SOME SORT.
THAT IS OUR APPROACH FOR YOU THIS MORNING.
AND WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY DISCUSSION.
12:19:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
THEN COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:19:58PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU, CHAIR.
GOOD MORNING, GOOD AFTERNOON -- WHAT IS IT?
AFTERNOON?
OKAY, GOSH.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
I WILL START THERE.
AND THERE IS JUST SO MANY LAYERS PRESENTED TO US IT TODAY.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT POP IN MY MIND AS WE GO BACK TO ME
MAKING THE MOTION BACK IN OCTOBER TO THE PRESENTATION TODAY
IS THAT FOR ME, WHAT WAS JUST PRESENTED IS AS CLOSE TO THE
STAFF MEMO THAT INDICATED THAT STAFF DOES NOT SUPPORT
DIGITAL SIZE IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
THIS IS THE MOST RESTRICTIVE IN TERMS OF WHAT I WAS
EXPECTING.
YOU OUTLINED TWO DISTRICTS I WASN'T EXPECTING THAT.
THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT IS THE CENTRAL BUSINESS
DISTRICT.
IN TOTALITY, TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION ALL OF THE CENTRAL
BUSINESS DISTRICT, WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT.
IT JUST -- IT JUST TAKES AWAY OPPORTUNITIES WANT VIABLE AREA
OUTSIDE OF THE -- OUTLINING BOUNDARIES THAT YOU -- THAT YOU
IDENTIFIED FOR JUST SIX SIGNS.
AND?
I AM SAYING TO MYSELF, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE TWO ON
THE AMALIE ARENA THAT WAS APPROVED VERY EASILY WITH A DESIGN
EXCEPTION?
ALSO PUTTING THE RESPONSIBILITY BOOK IN COUNCIL'S HANDS TO
VOTE ON THEM INDIVIDUALLY.
IN MY NEOPHYTE TIME ON THIS COUNCIL IS WILL TAKE
TOO MUCH TIME WRITING CODE A.M. ALSO KNOW WHAT THEY DO IN
THE PROCESS OF WANTING APPROVAL.
YOU DID THIS ONE.
YOU DIDN'T APPROVE THIS ONE GETS IN A HAPHAZARD SITUATION
THAT COULD MAKE IT A LEGAL ISSUE FOR US.
GOOD CODE CAN ELIMINATE THAT.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I AM THINKING.
THE -- -- THE ONE THING THAT ALSO I HAVE TO HAVE G BACK TO
WENT YOU DESCRIBE ACTIVATED SIGNS.
WILL THE AMALIE ARENA BE CONSIDERED AN ACTIVATED SIGN.
A RHETORICAL QUESTION.
IT IS ACTIVATED.
I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO STARE AT IT FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME
AS THE MAYOR AND I DROVE TO THE BREAKFAST LAST WEEK.
IT IS ACTIVATED.
SAYING WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE CODE FOR THAT, MAY BE TRUE,
BUT WITH DESIGN EXCEPTION, WE HAVE ACTIVATION.
IT IS CLEARLY THERE.
YOU CAN SEE IT.
A HUGE SIGN.
ALMOST LIKE THE HAVE THE AND HAVE THE NOTES.
I WISH DARLENE WAS IN HERE TO PUT THIS DOWN ON THE OVERHEAD.
BUT ALSO THE DIGITAL -- THAT IS MY COPE AND THEN -- OKAY,
THAT IS FINE.
SO THIS IS THE -- WHAT MAKES THIS REAL LEGAL INTERESTING TO
ME.
THIS IS A DESIGN EXCEPTION THAT DID NOT COME BEFORE US.
AND I THINK THAT IS SO VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE THIS IS THE
-- I WILL WAIT FOR A MINUTE.
THAT IS OKAY, DARLENE.
OUR ATTORNEY MR. SHELBY GOT IT FOR ME.
THANK YOU.
IS IT COMING UP?
12:23:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THEY ARE CONVERTING IT TO THE OVERHEAD.
THERE IT IS.
12:23:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ON THE MAIN FEED.
IS IT ON THE MAIN FEED?
12:23:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THEY ARE SWITCHING IT -- THERE IT IS.
THEY WILL BRING IT UP TO THE TOP.
12:23:41PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I DON'T SEE IT ON THE SCREEN.
NOW WE DO.
12:23:44PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
LET ME BE PATIENT.
OKAY.
THIS IS THE DIGITAL ACTIVATED SIGN AT -- CURRENTLY AT
THE AMALIE ARENA APPROVED WITH A SIGN EXCEPTION.
EXTREMELY LARGE.
CAN YOU READ THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE SIDE FOR ME HOW BIG
THIS IS.
12:24:00PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS ARE 99 FEET BIDE
WIDE BY 39 FEET.
3860 SQUARE FEET TOTAL.
12:24:10PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YOU WANT TO ELEMENTARY 672 SQUARE FEET?
THAT IS DEFINITELY NOT CONSIDERED BEST PRACTICES.
AND WE DEFINITELY NEED FLEXIBILITY DEPENDING ON THE
BUILDING.
YOU KNOW, AND THE LOCATION.
AND THAT COULD CAN BE -- YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE WRITTEN IN
-- IN CODE.
HOW WE DO THAT.
BUT THAT MEMBERS IF WE STICK TO WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED TO
US TODAY AS A STARTING POINT OF 672 SQUARE FEET.
THEN BIG DADDY HERE THE AMALIE ARENA GETS TO OUTWEIGH
EVERYBODY ELSE.
AND THIS WAS DONE WITHIN A DESIGN EXCEPTION, AGAIN, THAT DID
NOT COME TO COUNCIL.
AND IT WAS DONE IN A MANNER IN WHICH, YOU KNOW, THEY
PROVIDED THEIR -- THIS IS -- THIS IS DONE 2023 -- DECEMBER
2023.
APPROVAL WAS IN LET ARE FORMAT FROM THE GROWTH AND
DEVELOPMENT AND MANAGEMENT OFFICE INDICATING THE APPROVAL
FOR THE -- FOR THE DESIGN EXCEPTION.
12:25:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO YOU HAVE APICTURE OF THE SECOND ONE, THE
SECOND SIGN?
12:25:19PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THE SECOND SIGN THEY PUT UP RECENTLY WITH
THE AMALIE.
12:25:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
12:25:26PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
HARD FOR ME TO SAY THERE ARE ONE IT?
I DON'T KNOW FEBRUARY THAT IS IT BECAUSE THEY PUT IT UP NOT
TOO LONG AGO.
12:25:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE LETTER FROM ERIC COTTON.
12:25:38PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THE LETTER FROM ERIC COTTON AND THE
ALTERNATIVE -- I GUESS I AM A TEACHER.
I USE VISUALS.
YOU KNOW, I WANT TO THE STICK TO MY -- I DON'T WANT TO LOSE
MY THOUGHTS HERE.
LET ME GO BACK TO MY PAPER.
SO THE -- YES, SO -- I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS NECESSARILY ON
THE OTHER SIDE, THAT WAS THE LETTER, THE DECEMBER LETTER --
THE APPROVAL PROCESS FOR THE AMALIE ARENA WAS BASED ON THE
MASTER PANEL WILL.
THE AMALIE CREATED THEIR OWNER SIGNAGE MASTER PLAN.
READ THROUGH IT.
WHAT I WILL -- MORE TIME PLEASE -- I MEAN, ALMOST -- WHEN I
READ THROUGH IT.
HONESTLY THEY GOT WHAT THEY ASKED FOR IN EVERY SINGLE WAY.
AND JUSTIFY IT -- JUSTIFIED IT WITH NOT ONLY THE OTHER
THINGS THAT WILL MAKE IT GREAT.
THE VISUAL APPEARANCE OF IT.
AND HOW -- YOU KNOW, IT IS GOING TO BE ATTRACTIVE AND
APPEALING TO ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT GET TO SEE IT,
BUT ELIMINATES IN THIS INSTANCE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHERS TO
-- AT THAT CAPACITY.
I AM NOT SAYING THAT EVERY SINGLE SIGN NEEDS TO BE THAT BIG.
BUT FOR US TO DROP DOWN TO 672 SQUARE FEET WHICH IS NOT
NECESSARILY CONSIDERED BEST PRACTICES OR STANDARDS ISD EVEN
IN THE PICTURES THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US TODAY WAS MUCH
BIGGER IN THAT SENSE.
SIGNS WITHIN THE SMALL DESIGN AREA THAT -- THAT HAS BEEN
PRESENTED TO US TODAY, THAT MEMBERS THAT -- THAT MEANS THAT
-- THAT DISTRICT WHERE THE AMALIE IS ALREADY HAS TWO SIGNS.
THAT MEANS THERE IS ONLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FOUR SIGNS.
AND THE ARTS DISTRICT AND THREE IN THE -- YOU KNOW, IN THE
CONVENTION CENTER AREA DISTRICT.
AND ALSO TWO THERE.
SOME THINK IS VERY CONFUSING IN TERMS OF THAT.
SO FOR ME, I GUESS WHAT I WILL SAY IS I WANT -- I WROTE THIS
DOWN.
WANT THE STAFF TO FACILITATE, NOT REGULATE.
THAT IS WHAT I WANT.
I WANT FOR IT TO BE INCLUSIVE OF THE CENTRAL BUSINESS
DISTRICT AND ALSO THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THE INCLUSION
OF THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP.
THAT ELIMINATES THE FIRST AMENDMENT SITUATIONS THAT WE COULD
FALL INTO IF WE HAVE THEM AS A PART OF THIS PROCESS TO
ADHERE TO THIS CRITERIA.
SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT -- THAT ALSO COME TO MIND OUTSIDE
OF THE 650 SQUARE FEET, 672 OR WHATEVER WAS SAID ABOUT
SAFETY.
I DID SOME OF MY OWN RESEARCH ABOUT SAFETY.
AND DIGITAL SIGNS, ACCORDING TO A COUPLE OF STUDIES, WHAT IS
DISTRACTING FOR PEOPLE IS NOT THE DIGITAL SIGNS.
IS THEM BEING ON THE PHONE.
THEM DAYDREAMING AND NOT NECESSARILY A SIGN AS A DISTRACTION
THAT CAUSE AS SAFETY HAZARD.
I FEEL THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US TODAY AS ALSO ONE OF THOSE
INDICATORS THIS IS UP WITH OF THE REASONS WE DON'T WANT
YOU TO DO THIS.
THE LEGAL PARAMETERS REGARDING THE BILLBOARD -- THE LEGAL
ISSUE WITH CLEARCHANNEL IS.
NO REAL BASIS FOR IT IN TERMS OF THE CENTRAL BUSINESS
DISTRICT.
I DON'T SEE THAT -- SAY IT AGAIN?
12:29:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD.
12:29:28PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THERE IS CLEARLY LIKE NOTHING WITHIN THAT
AGREEMENT THAT WOULD -- THAT WOULD IMPACT WHAT WE ARE TRYING
TO DO IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
ESPECIALLY IN PROPOSING TWO DISTRICTS THAT ELIMINATE
OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHERS.
AND WE HAVE -- WHAT IS INTERESTING TOO, WE HAVE -- IN MY
EXPERIENCE, YOU KNOW, WORKING UP HERE, WE HAVE QUITE A BIT
OF SUPPORT FOR WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
I UNDERSTAND A CHANGE IN THE LAND SCAPE OF OUR DOWNTOWN
AREA.
BUT NOT INCLUDING THE -- NOT INCLUDING THE -- THE TAMPA
DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP AS THE OVERSEERS OF THE APPLICATION
PROCESS PUTS THE ONUS BACK ON US.
NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
THAT APPLICATION PROCESS BY ONE OF OUR VERY VIABLE -- VIABLE
COLLABORATORS IN TERMS OF WHAT HAPPENS IN THE DOWNTOWN
CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM.
WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.
WE DON'T HAVE TO CONTROL EVERYTHING.
WE DON'T HAVE -- OUR -- OUR PART IS TO WRITE GOOD CODE.
AND THEY DO THE APPLICATION PROCESS IN ACCORDANCE WITH
WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY PUT OUT THERE.
THEY ARE NOT MAKING UP THEIR RULES.
THEY ARE NOT -- IT IS NOT UP TO THEM.
THEY ARE FOLLOWING THE CODE THAT WE WRITE AND HAS TO BE GOOD
CODE.
WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TODAY IS JUST ANOTHER DESIGN
EXCEPTION.
WHERE -- WHERE YOU WANT US TO APPROVE IT, CASE BY CASE, AND
THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY.
AND IT PUTS US IN -- A MORE VOLATILE SITUATION FROM A LEGAL
STANDPOINT IN MY OPINION.
I WILL LEAVE THAT PART THERE.
FOR LEGAL CONSIDERATION.
LET ME SEE WHAT ELSE.
I THINK -- I GUESS I CAN CIRCLE -- YOU CAN CIRCLE BACK TO
ME.
VISION ZERO.
THE -- I HAVE BEEN STUDYING VISION ZERO FOR AT THAT WHILE
BECAUSE OF THE RIVERWALK AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW THERE ARE THIS INSTANCE, THE -- THE CAR
DRIVING ASPECT OF -- OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT MAKES A SIGN
APPEALING AND HOW LONG PEOPLE LOOK AT IT AND EVERYTHING LIKE
THAT.
THERE IS -- WE HAVEN'T -- WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION
THAT CAN JUSTIFY THAT IT IS UNSAFE WHEN THE STUDIES BY
THE FHMA AND SAIC -- I LOST IT ON MY PHONE -- IT SAYS THAT
DIGITAL SIGNS ARE NOT A DISTRACTION THAT DESTROY SAFETY.
EVEN SIGNS YOU PUT UP AS BALTIMORE AS AN EXAMPLE ARE LARGER
THAN WHAT YOU ARE -- FOR OUR CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
SO THE PLACEMENT ISSUE IS AN ISSUE FOR ME IN TERMS OF, YOU
KNOW, ONLY LEAVING ON THE OUTSIDE CORRIDORS.
SIX SIGNS ARE TOO RESTRICTIVE.
DOESN'T GIVE A COMPETITIVE EDGE FOR ALL OF THE PEOPLE
INTERESTED -- I AM TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO OWN BUILDINGS
WITHIN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AS WELL AS THOSE WHO
WILL SUBMIT PROPOSALS TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS BUSINESS.
THERE IS NOT JUST ONE PERSON THAT MAKES SIGNS.
NOT A MONOPOLY A LOT OF COMPETITIONS OUT THERE.
AND -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY THIS LOOSELY.
I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ALL ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH,
BUT FOR ME, AS THE DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE THAT SUPPORTS
DOWNTOWN AND BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE PROGRESSIVE.
I FEEL AS THOUGH THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO
ENGAGE IN DIGITAL ILLUMINATION AND WE CAN DO IT IN A VERY
THOUGHTFUL MANNER WHERE -- IF BALTIMORE HAD 11.
AND ATLANTA HAS 25 SIGNS.
SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT AVERAGE OF 18 SIGNS IS A
GOOD NUMBER FOR ME.
BUT THAT IS ALSO BASED ON, YOU KNOW -- THAT ALLOWS US TO
OPEN IT UP TO OTHER SPACES.
SO I WILL JUST LEAVE IT THERE FOR NOW BECAUSE I DO WANT TO
HEAR -- THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL TIME -- THAT IS WHY I LIKE -- WE
GET TO HEAR FROM EACH OTHER JUST TO SEE WHERE THE SUPPORT IS
REGARD THIS.
WHATEVER -- WHATEVER HESITATIONS THE STAFF HAS, I FEEL LIKE
-- I FEEL LIKE WHAT WAS PRESENTED TODAY WAS PRESENTED IN A
MANNER THAT -- THAT DATES BACK TO THE NOVEMBER MEMO TO US
SAYING THAT STAFF DOESN'T SUPPORT IT.
AND THAT IS PACED ON ALL OF THE RESTRICTIONS AND ALL OF THE
THINGS THAT YOU IT PRESENTED TODAY THAT ELIMINATES A LOT OF
OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, YES.
SO I WANT IT TO BE MORE FACILITATED.
AND, ALSO, I THINK THE LAST THING -- I WILL CLOSE WITH THIS.
I WROTE THIS NOTE SOMEWHERE.
THAT THE NEXT STEMS.
WHAT IS GOOD IS THAT WE CAN GO ON RECORD TODAY AND HAVE THE
SAME TIMELINE THAT GOES WITH THE OTHER TEXT APPLICATION THAT
WE ARE DOING.
I DON'T -- I DON'T WANT TO PROLONG THIS PROCESS AND TURN IT
INTO A BACK AND FORTH BATTLE.
WE CAN STAY IN LINE WITH THE STEMS PRESENTED IN TERMS OF
NEXT STEPS IN TERMS OF THE OTHER -- THE OTHER PROPOSAL THAT
WAS PRESENTED TODAY.
I TOOK A PICTURE OF IT, BUT Y'ALL GET IT.
THANK YOU, CHAIR.
12:34:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:34:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
IF I TAKE THAT MUCH TIME, I WOULD BE DEAD.
I AM ONLY JOKING.
12:35:00PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I MADE THE MOTION AND SO MUCH PRESENTED
TODAY.
12:35:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MY A.J. FOYT.
12:35:05PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
STOP.
12:35:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
BUT ANYWAY.
I CAN VOTE ON ALL OF THIS, BUT LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, IN
1974, NOTHING DOWNTOWN.
THERE WAS, 600 PRISONERS LIVING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN.
THINGS HAVE CHANGED.
SURE THEY CHANGED.
LEAVE HERE LEFT HAND TURN AND NEVER HIT A CAR OR LOOK WHERE
YOU ARE GOING BECAUSE THERE WERE NO CARS.
THERE WAS NOTHING DOWNTOWN.
BILL POE STARTED THE REVITALIZATION OF DOWNTOWN WHEN BUILT
THE BUILDING NEXT TO US AND GOT THE PERMISSIONS FROM THE TWO
BUILDINGS ACROSS THE STREET WHERE ONE OF THEM HAS GOT THE --
WHERE GUIDO GOES -- UNIVERSITY -- WHAT IS IT CALLED.
UNIVERSITY CLUB.
VERY NICE PLACE BUT WHAT I AM SAYING -- DON'T GET ME WRONG,
WE ARE TAKING A BIG RISK.
THAT SIGN CODE THAT WAS SIGNED IN 19 -- WHAT WAS IT '96?
ONE LINE THERE THAT THEY MAY BE ENTITLED TO GET WHAT
SOMEBODY ELSE GOT IF IT WOULD CHANGE THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN.
THAT ALL I'M SAYING NOW.
THE -- THE DOWNTOWN TAMPA CREATED ITSELF.
AND I ALWAYS GAVE CREDIT TO THE STRAZ FOR BEING -- THAT
WAS HERE WITH IT WHERE NOTHING IS COMING DOWN.
THEY WILL ABLE TO WEATHER THE STORM.
AND SURVIVE.
AND MAKE TAMPA WHAT IT IS IN A WAY.
DOWNTOWN ARE DIFFERENT ANYWAY YOU GO.
THIS DOWNTOWN WAS DEAD.
D-E-A-D.
DEAD.
NOTHING HERE.
THROUGH BUILDING BLOCKS LITTLE BY LITTLE UNDER DIFFERENT
MAYORS, THEY ALL WANT TO DO SOMETHING BETTER THAN WHEN THEY
GOT HERE.
STARTED A DOWNTOWN -- ANY CITY NOT A VIBRANT DOWNTOWN OF
OVER 50,000 IS DYING OR DEAD.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE WERE.
THIS WAS THE EMPHASIS FOR THINGS THAT DEVELOP FOR
NEIGHBORHOODS TO GET BETTER AS FAR AS NEW HOUSING AND THINGS
THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
IT STARTED WITH A DEW POINT THAT WAS RUN DOWN THAT NOBODY
WANTED TO COME HERE.
USED TO HAVE UNO, ONE LEFT.
CALLED THE TAMPA THEATRE.
THERE WAS NOTHING HERE BUT THINGS AT NIGHT BECAUSE THERE WAS
NO ONE LIVING HERE AND NO ONE MOVING AROUND.
ONE TIME, IT WAS VERY VIBRANT.
YOU HAD A GROCERY STORE.
FIRESTONE ACROSS THE STREET.
MANY THINGS GOING ON.
ALL THAT DIED BECAUSE PEOPLE MOVED OUT.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS THING, IT IS NOT ABOUT WHAT
HAPPENED.
IT IS ABOUT HOW IT HAPPENED.
ONE DAY AT A TIME FOR MANY YEARS, ALL THE WAY FROM WHEN IT
STARTED WITH MAYOR POE ALL THE WAY TO THE CURRENT MAYOR.
SIX, SEVEN OF THEM.
MAYBE EIGHT.
MY MIND IS GOING IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
YOU LOOK AT THE '96 AGREEMENT ON THE BILLBOARD AND GET
CREDIT TO THE TODD PRESSMAN WHO IS THE ONE WORKING ON THEIR
SIDE AND OUR LEGAL STAFF AND THOSE RUNNING THE CITY AT THAT
TIME.
I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT MYSELF.
TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS FAIR AND EQUAL.
THEY TOOK DOWN 590 -- 567 FINES, I BELIEVE IT WAS.
IT WAS A -- SORB MANY FOR ONE.
YOU KNOCK SO MANY, YOU PUT ONE DIGITAL.
AND THAT IS HOW IT HAS WORKED OUT.
AND HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN WORK FOR A LONG PERIOD
OF TIME WITHOUT ANY HITCHES I KNOW PRESENTLY.
YOU START PREPARING YOURSELVES WITH OTHER CITIES AND WHAT
THE ADMINISTRATION, PEOPLE THAT BROUGHT THE PRESENTATION HAD
A LIST OF CITIES.
I DON'T LOOK AT THAT.
I DON'T COMPARE MYSELF WITH NO CITY.
BECAUSE NO ONE IS TAMPA AND NO ONE IS BETTER THAN TAMPA.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CONVENTION CENTER BUILT BEFORE ITS
TIME.
LOSING A LOT OF WHAT, DINERO, MONEY EVERY YEAR.
NO DETENTION -- HOTEL.
WE HAD A CONVENTION CENTER.
WHO THOUGHT OF THAT?
UNDER MAYOR GRECO'S ADMINISTRATION IN '95.
SECOND TIME AROUND.
ABLE TO WORK WITH THE MARRIOTT A FORMULA.
WE WERE NOT EVEN THE TOP 100 HOTELS THAT WERE GOING TO BE
HERE A MARRIOTT COMING HERE OTHER HOTELS.
IF THEY ARE COULD THERE WHY DO WE COME IN.
SO NOW WE HAVE ALL THESE HOTELS COME IN.
THAT IS WHAT YOU HAVE NOW.
AND THEN THE PEOPLE HAVE A CHANCE TO COME TO TAMPA THEY
WEREN'T GOING TO SLEEP IN THE STREETS I DON'T THINK.
YOU VISIT TAMPA PAY STARTED WAY BACK.
WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
NO LONGER A SLEEPING VILLAGE.
A DESTINATION FOR TOURISM, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
THE THINGS WE HAVE DONE.
THE AQUARIUM.
ZOO TAMPA THE BELL RINGS ONE MORE TIME, I AM GOING TO HIT
IT.
12:40:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I CAN'T CONTROL IT.
12:40:15PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING UP IN
LIFE.
TAMPA NOW IS A DESTINATION POINT.
THE AIRPORT NOW IS ONE OF THE BUSIEST AND -- THE BEST OF THE
WHOLE UNITED STATES.
THE STRAZ CENTER IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THEIR SIZE PERIOD IN
THE WHOLE COUNTRY.
YOU HAVE WALKABILITY DOWNTOWN.
YOU HAVE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ACCOUNT.
AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE RISK OF LOSING WHAT WE
WORKED ONLY FROM 1996 TO NOW.
IF THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT COULD HAPPEN.
THE LONG PROTECTION OF A LAWSUIT.
AND SIGNED BY BOTH PARTIES.
AND I AM NOT HERE -- I AM A RISK TAKER.
WHAT IS ABOUT ME.
BUT I AM NOT A RISK TAKER WHEN IT IS ABOUT ALL OF US I TAKE
CHANCE ON MY OWN.
I DON'T PUT THE GOVERNMENT IN MY CHANCES.
SOMETHING FOR ME I GOT TO LOOK AT.
I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF BILLBOARD SIGNS GOING EVERYWHERE.
I THINK IT IS A DISTRACTION IN LIFE.
AND IT JUST DOESN'T WORK.
WHY IS IT THAT WE SUCCEEDED SO WELL WITHOUT THE DIGITAL
SIGNS?
NO REFLASHING NO ONE.
I AM NOT HERE TO SHARE OPINIONS TO ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE OR
CITY COUNCIL.
IF I HAD TO VOTE ALONE, I AM HAPPY.
THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE PUTTING DIGITAL
SIGNS AND COMPARING YOURSELF WITH OTHER CITIES.
I DON'T COMPARE THIS COUNCIL WITH OTHER COUNCIL.
I DON'T CARE THIS GOVERNMENT WITH ANOTHER GOVERNMENT.
BECAUSE WE ARE THE BEST.
WE NEED -- WE HAVE SOME SHORTFALLS, I ADMIT TO THAT.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE WILL CONQUER THOSE SHORTFALLS.
IT IS WHAT HAVEN'T BEEN DONE THAT BOTHERS ME.
AND WHAT HAVEN'T BEEN DONE IS WE DON'T HAVE NO DIGITAL SIGNS
OTHER THAN AMALIE ARENA AND I DON'T -- I HAD NOTHING TO DO
WITH THAT.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU THIS.
WE ARE MOVING FORWARD AND GETTING BETTER AND CREATING
AMBIENCE FOR PEOPLE TO STAY IN TAMPA WHO WAS BORN IN
COMPANY.
BEFORE THEN KIDS GO TO COLLEGE AND WHATEVER COLLEGE THEY
WENT, THEY WANT TO STAY THERE.
THEY MAY LEAVE AND GO TO COLLEGE SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT MOST OF
THEM COME BACK BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY HAVE IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
GOOD FIRE DEPARTMENT.
GOOD POLICE DEPARTMENT.
STABILITY AND OPPORTUNITY FOR A JOB.
THINGS THAT ARE RUNNING RAPID SOMEWHERE ELSE NOT HAPPENING
IN TAMPA AND I HOPE NEVER DO, BUT IT CAN HAPPEN TO US.
I AM NOT SAYING BECAUSE OF THE SIGNS.
BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS, WE ARE OPENING THE DOOR TO
SOMETHING THAT WAS SIGNED IN 1996 THAT SAYS IT IS SOMETHING
SELLS CHANGES, WE ARE ENTITLED TO THE SAME THING.
AND THAT IS THE SIGN.
AND I AM NOT A LAWYER AND I AM NOT A JUDGE, BUT I CAN TELL
YOU I AM NOT READY TO TAKE A RISK ON BEHALF THE ACCIDENTS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:43:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, SIR.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:43:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I AM JUST GOING TO START BY SAYING I DIDN'T KNOW THAT SIGN
WAS ,000 SQUARE FEET.
THAT IS JUST INSANE.
12:43:25PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
APPROVED WITHOUT OUR KNOWLEDGE.
12:43:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT PART GETS TO ME.
MEMO THAT SAYS WE DON'T WANT SIGNS AND ALREADY HAD A SIGN?
LIKE JUST ABSOLUTELY FLOORS ME BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE A
SIGN.
WE DIDN'T APPROVE IT.
IT IS NOT LEGAL.
AND, OF COURSE, WE HAVE TO HAVE SIGNS NOW BECAUSE WE ALREADY
HAVE ONE.
WE HAVE TWO.
AND JUST BEYOND THAT, I HAPPEN TO TAKE, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW
EXACTLY WHERE THE NEWS SIGN IS, BUT I DID A TOUR OF U.T.
LAST WEEK OR THE WEEK BEFORE AND UP ONLY THE SIXTH FLOOR AT
THE BUILDING SEEING THE REVIEW THE RIVER.
WE CAN SEE THAT SIGN.
IT IS JUST A LITTLE SURPRISED BY THAT.
I AM CURIOUS OF THE ILLUMINATION STANDARD OF THAT SIGN.
WHEN DOES THAT GO DARK?
WE DON'T HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF THAT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE
ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT SIGN.
I AM FLABBERGASTED BY THAT.
AND I THINK THAT ALONE.
THAT SIGN ALONE THE CLEARCHANNEL COULD COME BACK FOR, I
THINK.
AND FROM MY PERSONAL OPINION, CLEARCHANNEL COULD COME BACK
BECAUSE THAT SIGN IS ALREADY THERE.
TO ME, THAT POINT IS MOOT.
AND ALREADY EXISTS.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT -- I AM OKAY WITH OPENING IT UP A
LITTLE BIT FURTHER BECAUSE I THINK LIMITING IT TO WATER
STREET.
STAND JUST -- AND THE ARTS AREA IS -- MY CONCERN ABOUT
THAT IS THAT THEY WILL BE FACING THE RIVER AND I AM REALLY
CONCERNED OF FACING THE RIVER AFTER SEEING THE VIEW FROM THE
-- FROM U.T.
I WAS SHOCKED.
I REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE REALLY THINKING OF
THAT AS WE LOOK AT WHERE SIGNS GO AND WHO IS BEING
ILLUMINATED AND WHO WILL SEE IT.
I 100% AGREE THERE SHOULD BE NO FREE-STANDING SIGNS AND
UNFORTUNATELY IN THAT LETTER, OR THAT THING ABOUT AMALIE,
SEEMS LIKE THEY HAVE THE RIGHT FOR FREE-STANDING SIGNS AND
NOT COOL.
I DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT ANYWHERE ELSE.
NO FREE STANDING SIGNS.
ABSOLUTELY NOT.
AND WOULD LIKE THE FACT THAT BALTIMORE SAID NO HISTORIC
BUILDINGS.
I THINK THAT IS FAIR.
I WANT TO BE SAY NO EMPTY BUILDINGS.
I WANT -- IF YOU WERE GOING TO BENEFIT FROM THIS, I DON'T
WANT PEOPLE WITH EMPTY BUILDINGS TO BE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
A PERCENTAGE YOU MUST HAVE, LIKE, 50% OCCUPATION OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO FIX UP
THEIR BUILDINGS.
IN THEY FIX UP THEIR BUILDINGS, THEY GET A SIGN OR WHATEVER.
OTHER THING AND TECHNICALLY DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING
AND WHEN HE TALKED TO THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP OF THIS.
I THINK THIS SHOULD PROBABLY NOT COME TO US.
I CAN SEE THAT BECOMING A GIGANTIC CAN OF WORMS AND I DON'T
WANT TO DEAL WITH THAT PERSONALLY.
I WANT TO TALK OF CITY OF TAMPA.
TO PUT A SIGN ON STRUCTURES.
I KNOW WE NEED A RFP AND WOULDN'T GO TO DOWNTOWN STRUCTURES.
I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO EARMARK THE REVENUE FROM ANY
CITY OF TAMPA -- THAT ARE PUT ON CITY OF TAMPA BUILDINGS I
WANT TO EARMARK THAT MONEY TO DOWNTOWN PROGRAMMING.
RIGHT NOW THE RIVERWALK -- FRIENDS OF THE RIVERWALK IS
COMING TO US ASKING FOR THIS BID AMOUNT OF MONEY.
AND THE CITY OF TAMPA PARK AND WRECK.
I WAS IN CINCINNATI AND THE PARTNERSHIP FOR THERE WAS
CONTROLLED ALL THE PROGRAMMING.
IT WAS PHENOMENAL.
I FEEL PUTTING DOWN THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE
FRIENDS OF THE RIVERWALK.
THEY HAVE A PULSE ON WHAT THE CITY WANT.
OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT IS PHENOMENAL NOT WHAT WE DO.
WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT TRENDS.
THEY DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO FIND A WAY TO PUT THAT REVENUE TOWARD
DOWNTOWN PROGRAMMING SO SOMETHING THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO
PAY FOR.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS -- IT IS BASICALLY CHARGING ITSELF.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE WEST SIDE OF THE
RIVERWALK, BUT AT LEAST DOING PARKS -- I AM NOT GOING TO
DEAL WITH TIME BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE HAD TO.
I AM ALMOST DONE.
BUT THE PARKS IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
LIKE THE -- LIKE THE GASLIGHT PARK.
OR JUST ALL SORTS OF THINGS I TALK TO THE DOWNTOWN
PARTNERSHIP ABOUT IDEAS, OF WHAT KIND OF PROGRAMMING THEY
WANT TO DO.
AND I WANT TO TAKE OUR HANDS OFF THAT PROGRAMMING AND I WANT
THAT TO GO TO DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP.
AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO FUND IT.
IF ANYTHING GOING ON THE CITY OF TAMPA, THAT IS MY ONLY
THING.
12:48:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CARLSON, VIERA AND THEN CLENDENIN.
12:48:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
A LOT HAS BEEN SAID.
I WILL -- I WILL FOLLOW COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON'S LEAD, BUT I
THINK WE OUGHT TO PUT FORWARD SOME TYPE OF PROCESS THAT IS
FAIR.
AND STICKS WITHIN THE RULE AND FAIR FOR EVERYONE.
ALLOWS EVERYONE TO HAVE A FAIR SHARE.
ALSO, STICKS WITHIN THE -- THE -- SOME GUIDELINES.
I THINK THE -- I THINK THE GUIDELINES PRESENTED WERE A
LITTLE BIT TOO RESTRICTIVE.
BUT THE -- THE BIG QUESTION -- MY COLLEAGUES HAVE TALKED
AROUND THIS, BUT I WANT STAFF TO ONLY THE QUESTION FOR THE
PUBLIC, HOW IS THE ONE AT AMALIE ARENA APPROVED.
AND DOES THAT NOT SET THE PRECEDENT TO GIVE CLEARCHANNEL ACT
SENSE AND TRIP ALL THE OTHER RULES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT?
HAVEN'T THAT ONE SEPTEMBER THE PRECEDENT THAT THEN WOULD
WANT EVERYBODY TO RUSH IN ANYWAY AND, THEREFORE, SHOULDN'T
WE SET STANDARDS BASE ON THAT ONE.
AND IS THAT NOT THE STANDARD THEN?
12:49:19PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THAT IS A LEGAL QUESTION?
12:49:24PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
SO WHEN -- ABBYE FEELEY.
ALL OF THE SIGNS AT WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THE ICE PALACE WERE
PERMITTED SIGNS.
ALL THAT COPY AREA YOU SEE UP THERE WAS COPY AREA IN THE
BUILDING.
THOSE SIGNS WERE THERE.
THEY WERE JUST STATIC SIGNS AND BANNER SIGNS AND OTHER
STATIC SIGNS.
THE EXCEPTION IS WHAT CAME INTO THE CITY.
AMALIE SHOWED SIGNS WERE PERMITTED ALREADY, PERMITTED IN THE
EARLY 1990s WHEN THE SIGN CODE FOR DOWNTOWN WAS DIFFERENT.
CAN WE MODERNIZE THE COPY THAT WE ALREADY PERMITTED?
THE MODERNIZATION INCLUDED DIGITIZING THOSE TO THE
ELECTRONIC MESSAGE SIGN STANDARDS.
YOU RAISE IT AS ACTIVATED.
I HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM -- ACTIVATED SIGNS ARE NOT
ALLOWED.
WE ARE LOOKING INTO PART OF THOSE SIGNS THAT IS ACTIVATED
BEING REMOVED.
IT NEEDS TO IT BE THE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE STANDARDS WHICH ARE
THE STANDARDS THAT ARE SPOKEN TO IN THE DESIGN EXCEPTION.
IT SAYS IT CAN ONLY CHANGE SO MANY SECONDS.
IT HAS TO COMPLY WITH CODE.
OUR GOAD DOES CURRENTLY ALLOW FOR SIGNS TO CHANGE.
IT DOES NOT ALLOW FOR THEM TO BE ACTIVATED.
BUT IT DOES ALLOW FOR THEM TO CHANGE.
SO IT CAN SAY WHATEVER IT IS.
THEN 15 SECONDS LATER.
WE HAVE THOSE ON KENNEDY BOULEVARD.
WE HAVE THOSE IN OTHER PLACES.
TIME AND TEMPERATURE AND OTHER MESSAGES RELATED TO THOSE
BUSINESSES THAT ARE ON THOSE SITES.
WE ALSO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM OF OFF-SITE TIMES.
IT HAS TO BE THINGS THAT ARE DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE ARENA.
THOSE SIGNS IN THE AREAS THAT YOU SEE THEM, WERE PREVIOUS
LEAVE THERE.
THE EXCEPTION, WHICH THE CODE ALLOWS FOR, MASTER
SIGN PLANS TO COME IN.
SAY THAT -- AND THAT WAS WHAT THEY ASKED FOR.
THEY ASKED FOR THE SIZE.
THEY ASKED FOR THE LOCATION AND TO MODERNIZE THAT.
AND THAT WAS WHAT WAS APPROVED BASED ON THE AREA THAT THEY
ALREADY HAVE.
12:51:40PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE LAST COMMENT -- THANK YOU.
ONE LAST COMMENT ON THIS.
I AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SAID ALSO.
WE DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE OTHER CITIES.
I BRING UP OTHER CITIES, BUT NEVER TO SAY WE SHOULD COPY
THEM, BUT TO SAY WE SHOULD LEARN FROM THEM AND SEE WHAT THEY
DO.
WE WOULDN'T BE LIKE TOKYO, SHANGHAI, LONDON ALL OVER THE
PLACE.
WE NEED TO BE TAMPA.
WHAT IS THE UNIQUE TESTIMONY STYLE OF -- WHERE IT SHOULD BE
AND HOW IT SHOULD LOOK.
IDEALLY WANT CAN HAPHAZARDLY BE DONE UNLESS -- UNLESS IT IS
CONTAINED WITHIN A HUGE DEVELOPMENT, THAT IS ONE THING.
OTHERWISE, SOME KIND OF THEME THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH TAMPA
THAT MAKES IT UNIQUE AND RECOGNIZABLE WHEN PEOPLE TAKE
PICTURES IT.
I WILL LET COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON LEAD.
12:52:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
VIERA AND CLENDENIN.
12:52:35PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I THINK EVERYBODY ON THIS ISSUE WANTS TO
SUPPORT COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
THIS IS HER DISTRICT, ETC.
WHAT I WILL SAY IS A FEW THINGS.
WHICH IS HAVING IT -- WE ARE GOING TO HAVE IT IN THE CENTRAL
BUSINESS DISTRICT IN GENERAL.
MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE OBJECTIVE CRITERIA FOR SOMETHING THAT
IS THERE.
I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
AND COUNCILMAN HENDERSON IS VERY RIGHT IN THAT WE WANT TO
MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAMSTRING BUSINESSES.
WE DON'T WANT TO FEUD, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE HAS GOT TO BE A
REASONABLE WAY WHERE WE CAN ENCOURAGE COMPETITION.
I THINK THAT THAT OUGHT TO BE ONE OF THE -- ONE OF THE GOALS
OF THIS IS TO ENCOURAGE COMPETITION INTO THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
AND ENTERPRISE, ETC.
I CERTAINLY THINK THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO.
BUT I THINK THAN OBJECTIVE CRITERIA IS -- IS IMPORTANT TO
MAKE SURE THEIR THIS IS DONE RIGHT.
BUT, AGAIN, I AM SUPPORTIVE.
AND -- AND GLAD TO DO IT.
THANK YOU.
12:53:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CLENDENIN.
12:53:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WAS WATCHING MOST OF IT WENT I WASN'T
HERE.
WATCHING IT ON YOUTUBE.
PLUG FOR YOUTUBE.
AS WE DISCUSSED IN OUR MEETINGS, MY FEELINGS ON THIS -- AND
COUNCILMAN VIERA JUST SAID IT.
IT HAS TO BE DEFINED CRITERIA.
IT HAS TO BE CLEAR EXPECTATIONS REGARDLESS OF WHO IS LOOKING
AT, IF IT IS A RESIDENT OF DOWNTOWN OR A POTENTIAL VENDOR
LOOKING TO BID OR FUTURE COUNCIL SIT CAN AT THIS DAIS THEY
CAN UNDERSTAND WITH THE POLICY OF THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT WE
ARE GOING TO CREATE.
I DON'T BELIEVE LIMITING IT TO THE TWO DISTRICTS AS WE
SPOKEN ABOUT BEFORE.
I THINK THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT IS THE CENTRAL
BUSINESS DISTRICT AND WE LOOK AT THIS AS A TEST CASE OF
POSSIBLY -- WE HAVE THE SHORE DISTRICT AND SEE HOW THIS
WORKS HERE.
BECAUSE WE MAY WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE AND PUT IT TO THE
UNIVERSITY AREA.
AND WESTSHORE DISTRICT ISSUE.
AREAS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE IN THE
FUTURE.
WE WANT TO GET THIS RIGHT.
IT SEEMS TO ME, THE BIGGEST OBSTACLE OF GETTING THIS RIGHT
IS TIME.
I THINK THAT TIMING TRYING TO PUSH SOMETHING THROUGH.
I WOULD RATHER GET THIS AS CLOSE TO PERFECT AS POSSIBLE AS
FORCE SOME ARBITRARY SCHEDULE.
I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A REALISTIC EXPECTATION.
AND ADMINISTRATOR FEELEY, IF THIS WAS A PERFECT WORLD AND
WITH THE STAFF AND THE RESOURCES THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT HAS TO
BE ABLE TO CRAFT THIS.
WORK WITH THE PARTNERS WITH THE CITY TO GET THIS RIGHT BASE
ON THE INPUT FROM COUNCIL.
HOW MUCH TIME OR.
GOOD SOLID CODE OF WHAT WE ARE NEEDING TO DO?
12:55:51PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
COUPLE OF THINGS.
ANDREA IS EXPLORING HAVING A SEPARATE ENTITY.
I KNOW IT HAS BEEN RAISED BECAUSE OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE IT
AND THAT IS HOW THEY IMPLEMENTED IT.
BUT THAT ENTITY FROM WHAT I HAVE RESEARCHED AND LEARNED IS
THE PERMITTING ENTITY OF THE SIGNS.
THEY PUT IN FOR THE SIGN PERMIT WHOLE ANOTHER -- IN LOOKING
AT ALL OF THIS, I WONDER IF THE COLONEL WOULD ENTERTAIN
PUTTING OUT A RFP F THE CRA A NONINVESTED PARTY TO COME BACK
AND DO THE INVENTORY AND TELL US WHAT WILL BE APPROPRIATE
PACED ON THEIR STUDIES AND SIMILARITIES.
SEEM LIKE THAT IS WHAT THE OTHER CITIES DID.
TOOK THEM 18 TO 24 MONTHS TO DO IT.
AND I AM NOT A SIGN EXPERT.
I AM NOT.
AND ID AND EVEN -- EVEN IF I CAN WRITE CODE FOR YOU, WHICH I
AM NOT A EXPERT ON THAT EITHER.
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE CLARION WORKING ONLY THE CODE UPDATE
BECAUSE YOU HAVE SEEN WHAT HAPPENS OVER TIME WITH ALL THOSE
CODES.
HE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM STANDING HERE SAYING THAT TO YOU.
AND THAT IS WHY WE STARTED THE WAY WE DID.
THIS IS A PROCESS WE KNOW.
PART OF WHAT WE KNOW.
PART OF WHAT STARTED AND HOW DO WE START TO DO THIS IN FIVE
WEEK.
AND LET'S DO THIS.
I HEAR WHAT YOU ALL ARE SAYING GET GOING RIGHT AND MAKE SURE
IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR TAMPA AND I DON'T KNOW I AM THE PERSON
TO DO THAT FOR YOU.
12:57:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T SEE -- THIS PROCESS IS WITH
DIFFERENT CRAs TOO.
12:57:29PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
COULD BE THE DOWNTOWN -- I MEAN.
I AM ASSUMING THIS WILL NOT GO INTO YBOR --
12:57:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CHANNELSIDE, THE ENCORE -- FOR THE CRAs.
BECAUSE SHE -- SHE SUGGESTED LIKE HAVING THE CRA RFP FOR A
CONSULTANT.
12:57:53PM >> THIS IS THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT YOU ARE TALKING
ABOUT.
12:57:55PM >> THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
DOES THAT NOT INCLUDE AMALIE ARENA AND WATER STREET?
CHANNELSIDE?
I DON'T KNOW, I WOULD HAVE TO THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE
TO -- I MEAN CITY STAFF SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE THE INPUT YOU
HEAR HERE ALONG WITH THE RESOURCE -- RESOURCES AND RESEARCH
THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING, AND SPOOL UP TO BECOME SUBJECT
MATTER EXPERTS ON THIS TO GET THIS THING DONE.
I THINK WE ARE TRULY THINKING OF HOW MUCH TIME YOU NEED TO
ACCOMPLISH THAT.
THAT WAS MY POINT.
IN ORDER TO BECOME SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS TO BE ABLE TO DO A
DEEP DIVE TO GET THIS RIGHT USING THE INTERNAL RESOURCES
THAT WE HAVE.
WHAT DOES THAT TIME FRAME LOOK LIKE IN YOUR OPINION?
OR LEGAL STAFF'S OPINION?
I MEAN, IF YOU GUYS WERE TO GET -- IN OTHER WORDS, HOW CAN
WE HELP NEW A TIMELINE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS TASK?
12:58:56PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
LET ME THINK OF THAT FOR A MINUTE.
IF YOU ALL CAN CONTINUE.
12:58:59PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I WANT TO ADD A COMMENT TO THAT.
I TOOK A PICTURE OF THEIR TIMELINE FOR -- LET ME LOOK AT IT.
DARN IT.
WHERE IS IT?
YEAH.
SO THE TIMELINE THAT MR. COTTON PRESENTED EARLIER WAS IN
KEEPING WITH -- IT COMING FOR SECOND READING IN AUGUST.
AND SO NO THEY ARE NOT SIGN EXPERTS BUT WE ARE PAYING
CLARION A MILLION DOLLARS TO HELP WRITE CODE.
IF THEY NEED ASSISTANCE ON THAT, I THINK THAT CAN BE DONE.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE DISTRACTED BY SAYING, YOU KNOW,
THERE ARE NOT AREAS OF EXPERTISE HERE, BECAUSE THERE
ACTUALLY IS.
IF WE KEEP WITHIN THE SAME PROCESSES THAT WE HAVE FOR
EVERYTHING ELSE, WE CAN REACH OUR TARGET DATE BY AUGUST, OR
HAVE A FIRST READING BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE GIVEN TIME FOR
PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE WILL HAVE GIVEN TIME FOR -- FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION
PROCESS.
AND, YOU KNOW, COME TO US WITH FIRST READING.
WE ACTUALLY -- IN FEBRUARY, ON THE 20th, WE SHOULD AT LEAST
HAVE A DRAFT FOR THEM BASED ONLY EVERYTHING THAT THEY HEARD
FROM US TODAY.
THEY CAN I WILL GIVE US A DRAFT THAT WILL NOT BE SO
RESTRICTIVE.
TODAY'S PRESENTATION WAS BASED ON REGULATING AND NOT
SUPPORTING AND SO IF THEY -- IF STAFF GETS OUT OF THEIR OWN
HEAD.
BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE NO STARTER IS AT THE TOP.
STARTED THE TOP AND SO NOW -- I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THIS
JOURNEY BY MYSELF.
I WANT COUNCIL'S SUPPORT BUT HOW DO WE OPERATE WENT, YOU
KNOW, THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND STAFFED ARE -- ARE PRESENTED IN
SUCH OF A MATTER THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AND
NOW THEY ARE BOTTLING IT.
AND SAYING THEY DON'T HAVE THE AREAS OF EXPERTISE.
WE HAVE THE STAFF THAT CAN GET IT DONE.
AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD LET ANYONE OFF THE HOOK FOR THAT
BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY HEARING WHAT THEY WANTED TO
HEAR TODAY.
01:01:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
01:01:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THING BRINGS UP A WARMER CONVERSATION OF
THAT.
AND I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WHICH PROBABLY CAN TALK
ABOUT IN DETAIL MAYBE AFTER THIS ABOUT WHAT TO DO WHEN
ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T WANT TO DO STUFF, YOU KNOW, STATION
24.
BUT -- JUST.
01:01:35PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OH, MY GOODNESS.
01:01:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.
ALWAYS TOP OF MIND.
WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO IS BRING BACK A BASIC -- A BASIC
FRAMEWORK.
LIKE YOU SAID.
I AM -- I AM INTERESTED IN HOW MANY CAN GO ON A BLOCK.
WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE.
AND GETTING THE INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC IS HELPFUL.
SO I AM FINE WITH FOLLOWING THAT TIMELINE, BUT NOT
NECESSARILY BEING WEDDED TO IT.
01:02:03PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
CORRECS.
A STARTING POINT.
NOT MY AREA OF EXPERTISE OR GET SOMEONE ELSE TO DO IT.
NO.
01:02:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WILL AGREE YOU WITH OTHER CITIES TOOK 18 TO
24 MONTHS.
I DON'T WANT TO SAY WE WILL LICKED TEE SPLIT GET IT DONE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE FIRST ITERATION AND SEE WHAT THE PUBLIC
HAS TO SAY.
AND I WOULD LIKE FOR US -- I AM WITH YOU ON THAT.
01:02:29PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNTING THE FIVE MONTHS WE HAVE ALREADY
BEEN IN THIS PROCESS.
AUGUST IS ACTUALLY 13 MONTHS THAT PUTS US AT 13.
SO -- THIS IS MY TOUGHEST THUS FAR IN TERMS OF THIS.
I AM NOT GOING TO BACK DOWN.
I REALLY FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF IT BECOMES MORE
COLLABORATIVE, WE CAN GET TO A POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE
PROCESS CAN MOVE ALONG AND WE CAN AT LEAST GET TO FIRST
READING BY AUGUST, SEPTEMBER BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
THAT PUTS US AT 18 MONTHS.
THE VERY 18 MONTHS YOU JUST ADDRESSED.
TO CHARLIE'S POINT, YOU KNOW, I REALLY -- YOU KNOW, I DON'T
KNOW IF IT IS YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT.
01:03:21PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I UNDER.
THE THOUGHTFULNESS THAT GOES INTO THIS IS IMPORTANT.
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS PRESENTED TO US TODAY.
AND THE FAST PERMITTING THAT WAS -- THAT WAS HAPPENING WITH
THE AMALIE ARENA FOR SOMETHING WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY KNOW
ABOUT.
I HAPPENED TO SEE THE SIGN OVER THE HOLIDAYS AND SURPRISED
BECAUSE IT WAS AN ACTIVATED SIGN.
SHOULDN'T BE LIKE THAT.
AND IT WAS PRESENTED THAT OTHER SIGNS ARE NOT REGULATED
PROPERLY.
THERE IS A LOT OF WORK TO DO IN TERMS OF SIGNAGE DOWNTOWN
AND HAS NO BUSINESS BEING DOWNTOWN BECAUSE NOT REGULATED.
A WHOLE OTHER ISSUE THAT LITERALLY LEGAL COULD ARIGHT NOW
WOWS YOU.
LEGAL AND CODE ENFORCEMENT.
THE GUIDELINES OF WHAT THEY ARE ADDRESSING.
01:04:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MIRANDA.
01:04:15PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
96, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG TO TOOK.
CHECK THE RECORDS.
YOU CAN EASILY FIND THOSE.
TOOK A LONG PERIOD OF TIME TO WORK THOSE THING OUT AND THOSE
WERE NOT THESE TYPE OF SIGNS.
01:04:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
VIERA.
01:04:28PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT I THINK COUNCIL
HAS HAD ORDINANCES PROPOSED BEFORE THAT MAYBE STAFF DIDN'T
AGREE WITH.
AND ULTIMATELY IT BECOMES THEN AN ISSUE IF THE MAYOR GOING
TO SIGN IT OR WHATEVER.
I WILL DO WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO.
WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS MAKE THE MOTION.
WE WILL SUPPORT IT.
AND LET'S HEAD OUT.
01:04:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MISS SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ.
01:04:55PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
DEPARTMENT.
I WANT TO A MINUTE TO EXPLAIN THE SERIES OF TEXT AMENDMENTS
BY MR. COTTON AND MISS DANA CROSBY COLLIER.
I THINK THERE WERE TEN OF THEM THAT WERE PRESENTED TO YOU IN
ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME IT TOOK US TO PRESENT ONE
PROPOSED AMENDMENT.
SO THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DOING MINOR -- CORRECTIVE
MINOR -- RELATIVELY MINOR CHANGES TO SINGLE SECTIONS OF
CODE, AND -- AND SHIFTING A DECADES-OLD POLICY OF THE CITY
THAT IS EMBODIED IN THE CODE.
I THINK IT WILL TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFORT.
MISS FEELEY AND I SPENT UNTIL THE NEXT AUGUST TO GO --
FOLLOW THE SAME PATH.
IT WILL BE A VERY HEAVY LIFT GIVEN EVERYTHING ELSE THAT EACH
OF US HAS ON OUR PLATES.
SO I AM JUST ASKING COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THAT AS YOU KIND OF
GO FORWARD WITH THE TIMELINE.
WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF RESEARCH TO DO, LIKE ABBY SAID.
I AM NOT AN ILLUMINATION EXPERT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS APPROPRIATE.
I DON'T KNOW -- SOME OF THE CITIES WENT THROUGH AND
IDENTIFIED BUILDING BY BUILDING, SECTIONS OF BUILDING BY
SECTIONING OF BUILDING.
WE WERE PROPOSING, AGAIN, KIND OF A BABY STEP APPROACH TO
THIS TO SEE HOW IT WORKS AUTOMAKERS AND NOW COUNCIL IS
APPARENTLY DIRECTING US TO WRITE A CODE THAT ALLOWS US IN
THE ENTIRE CDB.
AGAIN, WE NEED TO GET A BETTER FOCUS AND A BETTER
UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT COUNCIL IS TRYING TO ACHIEVE WITH THIS
POLICY SHIFT.
PLACEMAKING OR JUST SIGNAGE IN THE CDB.
I DON'T HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THAT.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WILL IMPACT OUR ABILITY TO EVEN KIND
OF DO THIS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT REWRITE OF THE CURRENT POLICY
IN THE CODE THAT I JUST LIKE TO ASK COUNCIL BILL TO CONSIDER
A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME FOR THEIR EFFORT.
01:06:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON WAS NEXT AND THEN
BACK TO COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
CARLSON.
01:07:03PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO FOLLOW ON HAVING THE
ADMINISTRATION AGAINST YOU.
YOU SEE THE FULL BRUNT OF WHAT HAPPENS TO ME -- HENDERSON
HENDERSON WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU TODAY.
01:07:12PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO, BUT I AM JUST TELLING YOU THAT -- YOU
KNOW, THE -- AND THIS IS PROVEN THROUGH PUBLIC RECORDS.
THEY WILL INTENTIONALLY TAUNT ME, YELL AND BE PASSIVE
AGGRESSIVE.
GET PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY TO TALK ON TOPICS THEY SHOULDN'T
BE SPEAKING OF.
RESTRICT THE MEDIA.
MY POINT IN SAYING THAT IS THIS IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED TODAY.
THIS -- I AM FRUSTRATED BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO GET
SOMETHING IN THIS CASE.
BUT AT LEAST FROM THE PRESENTATION THAT MISS FEELEY AND MISS
JOHNSON-VELEZ COMPLETED.
IT WAS LEVEL AND EXTREMELY DETAILED AND NEED TO KNOW THE
DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF IT.
WHAT IT DOES IS GIVES US A ROAD MAP TO START FROM OR A PLACE
TO START FROM, SO WE JUST SAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR A
GREAT PRESENTATION.
ALL THE HOURS AND HOURS OF RESEARCH.
AND NOW WE ARE -- WE ARE BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM THE
COMMUNITY, WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE WITH THE PROCESS.
AND I WOULD SUPPORT THAT PROCESS GOING FORWARD.
01:08:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
REMEMBER PER OUR RULES, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO CONCLUDE
WORKSHOPS BY 1 P.M.
01:08:17PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ONE OF THE THINGS CAN BE DONE BASED ON
JUST WHAT WAS -- WHAT WAS HEARD TODAY, YOU KNOW, FROM THE
DAIS.
EVERYBODY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT,
THE STAFF DOES, TO COME BACK WITH SOME DIRECTION AS TO --
EVEN GENERAL DIRECTION HOW WE WILL GO FORWARD BY FEBRUARY
20.
WE CAN GET A STAFF REPORT TO SEE WHAT THEY ARE THINKING BY
FEBRUARY 20, TO SEE WHAT DIRECTION THEY ARE GOING IN.
AND WE CAN HAVE OUR INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS.
YOU KNOW, WITH STAFF TO COME BACK.
THEY CAN START WITH WHAT THEY HEARD FROM US TODAY.
I MOVE --
01:08:57PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BEFORE YOU MAKE THE MOTION.
AND NOT TO INTERRUPT, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW AND I AM LOOKING
AT THE CALENDAR.
YOU HAVE SEVEN STAFF REPORTS.
AND YOU ALSO HAVE 9:00 PRESENTATION ON THE -- ON THE JACKSON
HOUSE RENOVATION, PLANS BY THE JACKSON HOUSE FOUNDATION.
JUST TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT.
IF COUNCIL WISHES BY SUPERMAJORITY BY THE RULES, THAT IS
APPROPRIATE.
01:09:23PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THEY CAN ISSUE THE TASK TO CLARION.
WE ARE PAYING THEM OVER $1 MILLION.
01:09:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OUT OF THE CONTRACT WHICH WAS NEGOTIATED.
01:09:33PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THAT IS DISAPPOINTING.
WE WILL DO A WRITTEN REPORT.
01:09:38PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WRITTEN REPORT, THAT IS FINE.
01:09:40PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I MOVE THAT WE HAVE A WRITTEN REPORT FROM
STAFF BASED ON --
01:09:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
01:09:46PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
CAN I GET CONFIRMATION ON WHERE WE ARE?
01:09:50PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
01:09:54PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I WANT TO BE ON THE RECORD.
I WANT TO DO THIS.
I'M HERE.
RIGHT IN FRONT OF EVERYONE.
DO THIS FOR OUR CITY.
I NEED TO KNOW WHERE WE ARE ON THINGS SO WE CAN GO DO IT.
I WOULD APPRECIATE A LITTLE MORE THAN FEBRUARY 20, BUT LET'S
-- LET'S START WITH WHAT WE KNOW AND WHAT YOUR DESIRES ARE
SO THAT IS WHAT CAN GO IN THERE.
01:10:17PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
FEBRUARY 20 IS NOT SOME HARD-CORE
DISSERTATION.
IT IS WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, BASED ON WHAT YOU HEARD FROM
COUNCIL, TO INCLUDE THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP AS REVIEWERS OF APPLICATION.
EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T LIKE IT.
THAT IS WHAT YOU HEARD UP HERE TODAY.
EXPANDING THE SCOPE OF WHERE THE SIGNS ARE GOING TO BE
PLACED.
NOT NECESSARILY -- BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT LOOKING INTO --
YES, WE WILL LOCK AT ILLUMINATION AND WHATEVER THE CASE WILL
BE.
YOU CAN PUT THAT IN WRITING FOR US STEMS YOU ARE TAKING TO
MOVE FORWARD BASED ON WHAT YOU HEARD TODAY.
SO I DON'T WANT TO BE SO HARD CORE ABOUT IT.
I WANT TO PROVIDE THE FLEXIBILITY, BUT YOU CAN GIVE US A
STAFF REPORT WITH DIRECTION BASED ON WHAT YOU HEARD TODAY.
01:11:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WRITTEN.
01:11:09PM >> A WRITTEN REPORT BASED ON WHAT YOU HEARD TODAY BY
SEPTEMBER -- FEBRUARY 20.
01:11:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH?
01:11:26PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
SORRY, SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ --
01:11:29PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WRITTEN REPORT WHAT YOU HEARD FROM
COUNCIL TODAY AS TO STEPS WE ARE GOING TO TAKE, YOU KNOW,
THAT --
01:11:36PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
SORRY -- TIME SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
A WRITTEN REPORT -- SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ.
01:11:42PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MY FIRST TIME DOING THIS TOO.
01:11:45PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
WRITTEN REPORT FOR THE FEBRUARY 20
MEETING WILL BE DUE NEXT WEEK?
01:11:50PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
FEBRUARY 20 IF IT WILL DUE NEXT WEEK.
FEBRUARY 20 THIS -- THAT IS 30 DAYS FROM NOW?
THEY NEED TIME -- LET ME LOOK AT ANOTHER DATE.
HOLD ON.
WHAT IS THE DATE AFTER FEBRUARY 20?
01:12:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FEBRUARY 27 IS A WORKSHOP AND MARCH 6.
01:12:11PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MARCH 6.
MARCH 6.
01:12:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION AND A SECOND.
01:12:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE ROOM ON A REGULAR STAFF REPORT FOR
THAT.
01:12:18PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IT CAN BE PRESENTED.
01:12:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT WOULD YOU WANT.
01:12:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WRITTEN OR IN PERSON.
01:12:24PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
CHAIRMAN.
01:12:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES MR. SHELBY.
01:12:30PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BE MINDFUL TWO REVIEWS AT 1:30,
PRESENTATIONS AND A STAFF REPORT.
01:12:37PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WRITTEN IS FINE.
01:12:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FOR WRITTEN STAFF REPORT ON MARCH
6.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
YES?
01:12:48PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ANYTHING -- I HAVE HEARD LOCATION.
YOU WOULD LIKE IT EVERYWHERE.
01:12:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WAS TRYING TO BRING IT UP AND SUMMARIZE
AND PEOPLE CAN ADD IF I FORGET ABOUT SOMETHING.
SORRY --
01:13:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR, GO AHEAD.
01:13:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT-WIDE.
NO ASH TARRY RESTRICTIONS.
01:13:13PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN.
01:13:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ARBITRARY SAY THREE SIGNS -- NO ARBITRARY
BASED ON CRITERIA.
IF A SIGN MEETS A SPECIFIC CRITERIA IT COULD BE APPROVED.
YOU KNOW, REFERENCE SCALE -- SCALE FACING, MASS.
YOU KNOW IF WE HAVE ONE STANDARD CRITERIA THAT THE SIGNS
WILL BE EVALUATED ON AND PLACEMENT OF SIGNS WILL BE
EVALUATED ON.
AND ENSURING THAT THE -- THAT THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP NOT
IMPROVING SHORT BUT AS VETTING -- A VETTING AGENCY TO GO
THROUGH IT FIRST BEFORE WE SEE IT.
POSSIBLY -- NO HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
NO EMPTY -- I DON'T KNOW HOW DO YOU THE NO EMPTY BUILDINGS.
HOW ABOUT A PARKING GARAGE.
01:14:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NOT SOMETHING THAT IS BEING USED.
01:14:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A VACANT OR ABANDONED TYPE OF BUILDING.
01:14:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
VACANT BUILDINGS.
01:14:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU INCORPORATE THAT.
01:14:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THESE ARE.
01:14:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I SEE.
01:14:21PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT SPEAKS TO REVENUE.
THAT WILL HAVE TO BE A SEPARATE --
01:14:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SEPARATE MOTION.
01:14:27PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
SEPARATE DISCUSSION.
01:14:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DID I FORGET ANYTHING ELSE?
I THINK -- YOU AND I SPOKE OF HAVING -- HAVING VARIOUS --
BECAUSE -- I -- I ENVISION LIKE YOU SAID A PARKING GARAGE.
HAVING BANNER SIDE OF A DISPLAY VERSUS THIS UGLY MONSTROSITY
THAT SHOULD BE GRAVEL NEXT TO US INSTEAD OF A BUILDING.
WE WOULD ONLY BE EN HANDLED BY ILLUMINATING DISPLAY ON THAT
YOU GO THING.
TELL ME THAT IS NOT THE UGLIEST BUILDING YOU HAVE SEEN IN
YOUR ENTIRE LIFE.
01:15:02PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I AM NOT GOING TO STAY THAT.
01:15:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU HAVE TO BALANCE OUT THE TYPE OF
DISPLAYS AND THE KIND OF DISPLAYS AND ILLUMINATION STANDARDS
BECAUSE I THINK COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HIGHLIGHTED.
ALSO I THINK WE NEED TO COME UP -- THAT WE ARE NOT CALLING
THESE "SIGNS."
ILLUMINATED DISPLAYS OR WHATEVER IT IS.
BECAUSE IT MISCHARACTERIZES.
IF WE HAVE ONE STANDARD NOMENCLATURE HOW WE REFER TO THESE
THINGS.
A STANDARD OF HOW THE CITIES REFER TO THEM?
01:15:34PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYS THEY ARE
REFERRED TO.
01:15:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BARRING NO OBJECTIONS ILLUMINATED
DISPLAYS.
THING IS A WORKSHOP.
THIS IS A DISCUSSION.
01:15:46PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
THEY ARE TECHNICALLY SIGNS.
01:15:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TO DIFFERENTIATE.
01:15:53PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
WE HAVE TO ADD A DEFINITION OF THE TYPE OF
SIGN.
UNLIMITED NUMBER THROUGHOUT HAD THE CDB.
01:16:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BASED CRITERIA.
IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC CRITERIA AND ONLY A BUILDING YOU CAN
HAVE ONE OR THREE AND WHATEVER YOU COME UP WITH.
TWO SIDES.
IT LENDS ITSELF.
SO MANY BUILDS.
SO MANY FACADES.
SO MANY THINGS FACE THE RIVER.
NATURALLY RESTRICTS ITSELF IF THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING HAS
TO BE THREE STORIES.
IT WILL NATURALLY PROVIDE -- AGAIN, BASED ON VERY DEFINED
CRITERIA WILL LIMIT ITSELF.
01:16:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:16:37PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES, AS PARALLEL TO THIS, I THINK WE SHOULD
TAKE WHAT I THINK WAS MISS FEELEY'S RECOMMENDATION, AND GO
TO THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP AND ASK THEM TO ASK FOR A GRANT
FROM THE CRA.
THEY ARE DOING VISIONING ON FRANK LYNN STREET -- FRANKLIN
STREET AND OTHER AREAS OF DOWNTOWN.
THEY MAY HAVE AN ADD-ON THIS.
THIS MAY BE A MODIFICATION OF YOUR IDEA.
WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO COME BACK WITH IS MAYBE THE LEGAL
GUIDELINES BUT PARALLEL, WE COULD JUMP START A QUICK GRANT
TO THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP AND BRING THE DESIGN AESTHETIC
AND THE DESIGN AND VISION ALONG WITH THE LEGAL.
01:17:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
01:17:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANT TO SAY TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT YOU
ARE SAYING.
I AM NOT -- DEFINITELY I AGREE.
I THINK THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP BECAUSE THEY REQUEST ALSO
COME UP WITH SOME BLOCK.
MISS FEELEY IS RIGHT.
WE DON'T WANT 1,000 OF THEM.
AND JUST TO -- TO, AGAIN, REITERATE.
THIS IS -- AGGRAVATED YOU SAID, THIS IS THE BEGINNING.
THE VERY BEGINNING.
IF IT DOESN'T END UP WORK WIG AUGUST, IT DOESN'T END UP
WORKING BY AUGUST.
WE WANT TO START THE PROCESS.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EXACT AND THAT'S WHY WE WANT THAT
WRITTEN REPORT BECAUSE WE CAN ALL GIVE YOU FEEDBACK FROM
THAT AND GO FORWARD.
ARE YOU SURE -- OKAY.
01:18:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
YES?
01:18:03PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
ONE MORE QUESTION.
I HEARD THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP AS A VETTING AGENCY.
WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR APPROVAL.
WILL IT COME.
01:18:15PM >> WHAT WILL BE THE PROCESS FOR APPROVAL.
THE SU-2 CITY THROUGH A SPECIAL USE 2.
01:18:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MY ASSUMPTION.
01:18:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COME TO YOU WITH A SPECIAL USE.
THEN WE CAN HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
01:18:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW ABOUT THIS.
WE JUST -- WE -- I WOULD LOOK -- I WOULD LOOK AT BOTH WAYS.
I PERSONALLY DON'T WANT IT TO COME TO COUNCIL.
01:18:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LOOK AT WHAT THE CRITERIA LOOKS LIKE.
LOOK AT THE CRITERIA AND THEN MAKE A DECISION.
01:18:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ALSO THE CDB.
COUNCIL DEVELOPED A AUTHORITY WITH THE CDB.
TO TIME LINE IT AND BE CONSISTENT.
01:18:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK.
KITCHEN CLOSES AT THE 2:00.
KITCHEN CLOSES AT 2:00.
IT WAS UNANIMOUS.
ALL RIGHT.
ANY NEW BUSINESS?
I JUST WANT TO ANNOUNCE ON THURSDAY, WE WILL ROLL OUT THE
NEW DIGITAL KIOSK SO PEOPLE WILL BE SIGNING IN VIA THE iPAD.
SO IT WILL BE -- IT WILL BE WORKING.
ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS, IF NOT.
01:19:32PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE QUICK ONE FOR THURSDAY.
THURSDAY, TWO OF THE ITEMS WE HAVE ARE RELATED TO STORMWATER
AND STORMWATER PLAN.
MANY PEOPLE WHOSE HOUSES HAVE BEEN DEVASTATED, AND THEY
WOULD LIKE TO COME SPEAK BUT WOULD NOT TO WAIT ALL DAY.
I MAKE A MOTION TO ASK FOR A SPECIAL ONE-TIME EXCEPTION TO
ALLOW PEOPLE TO SPEAK AT 9:00 OR AFTER EACH ITEM TO GET
THOSE PEOPLE WHOSE HOUSES ARE -- GO HOME.
01:19:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS FAIR.
01:19:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SPEAK AT 9:00 -- OPEN IT UP FOR FIRST
GENERAL COMMENT.
BUT JUST ON THOSE ITEMS.
01:20:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE WAY WE USED TO HAVE IT.
SPEAK AT 9:00 OR AFTER EACH ITEM.
BUSY DEALING WITH INSURANCE.
01:20:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A ONE-TIME EXCEPTION PER THE WORKSHOP.
01:20:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
STORMWATER ONLY.
WHAT NUMBERS --
01:20:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THREE STORMWATER ITEMS.
ONE THAT TALKS OF WHAT SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS WILL BE DONE.
01:20:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, OKAY.
I THINK THAT IS FAIR.
SO ARE YOU MAKING A MOTION?
01:20:33PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WILL HIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ALLOW A ONE
EXCEPTION FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT 9 A.M.
THIS THURSDAY AT THE WORKSHOP THEY CAN SPEAK AT 9 OR AFTER
EACH ITEM.
01:20:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ONLY ON WATER SHELBY ONLY ON STORMWATER ISSUE
IT IS THAT WAS PART OF YOUR MOTION.
01:20:56PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT WASN'T PARTED MY MOTION.
01:21:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO YOU WANT IT TO BE PART OF THE MOTION
SOMETHING IN.
01:21:03PM >>BILL CARLSON:
RELATED TO ONE OF THE ITEMS ONLY THE AGENDA.
01:21:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO OTHER GENERAL COMMENTS OTHER THAN THE
ITEM ON THE AGENDA. AND A MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK.
IS THAT FINE?
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, AND OPPOSED?
01:21:20PM >> MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE --
01:21:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM?
01:21:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GOING ALONG WITH THAT.
I HAD A VERY LOVELY CONVERSATION WITH BLACK AND VEATCH WHO
IS DOING THE EVALUATION.
THEY ARE NOT CALLING IT AN INVESTIGATION BUT CALLING IT AN
EVALUATION.
I HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM THAT LASTED ABOUT AN
HOUR.
IF YOU DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO, AND NOT ON YOUR AGENDA OR
CALENDAR.
I HIGHLY RECOMMEND TO PUT IT ON THE CALENDAR REACH OUT TO
THEM.
01:21:48PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MAY I, MR. CHAIR.
I BARELY SPOKEN.
I ENCOURAGE EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL TO SPEAK TO THEM.
THAT IS SO PIVOTAL.
I GOT MINE COMING UP.
WE WORKED THIS OUT WITH THE COUNTY.
YOU CALLED IT A REVIEW.
01:22:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS WHAT WE ARE CALLING.
01:22:07PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THE STATEMENT THING AS AN INVESTIGATION.
CALL IT WHATEVER.
BUT WILL FIND OUT WHY WHAT HAPPENED WHAT HAPPENED AND WHAT
WE CAN DO IN THE FUTURE TO NOT HAVE IT HAPPEN AGAIN.
01:22:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I OVERWHELMED THEM WITH OVER AN INCH OF
PAPERWORK THICK.
01:22:23PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WHEN I MEET WITH THEM.
I HAVE VERY STRONGLY HELD OPINIONS ON THIS.
I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THE REVIEW OR
WHATEVER THE HELL IT IS.
01:22:35PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
01:22:36PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE, TWO, THREE, FOURTH -- FOURTH THING ON
THE AGENDA IS TO HAVE A CONSULTANT LAND AND WATER PRESENT ON
THE UPDATES, AND SPEAKING TO STAFF, THERE IS -- THEY WOULD
RATHER PLACE ANOTHER CONSULTANT IN THAT PLACE SO THEY MAY
COME BACK TO US WITH A REPLACEMENT OF IT.
01:22:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
01:22:57PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
01:23:00PM >>LUIS VIERA:
FUNNY, I WAS GOING TO ASK THEM TO COME TO CITY
COUNCIL TO BRIEF US ON EVERYTHING GENERAL.
SO I WILL BE SPEAKING -- YEAH, JUST --
01:23:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
SECOND?
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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