TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, JANUARY 23, 2025, 9:00 A.M.

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9:07:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO
ORDER.
AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO WISH COUNCIL MEMBER LUIS VIERA
A VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
TODAY IS THE DAY.
[ APPLAUSE ]
¶ HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU ¶
¶ HAPPY BIRTHDAY, COUNCILMAN VIERA ¶
¶ HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU ¶
9:08:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
AT THIS TIME I YIELD TO COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON FOR THE
INVOCATION.
9:08:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
WE HAVE JARSHEKIA KOWALEWSKI AND PLUS ONE SPEAKING TODAY.
ORIGINALLY HAILS FROM SHELBY, NORTH CAROLINA.
BUT AFTER 20 YEARS AND COUNTING OF ACTIVE DUTY SERVICE, THE
ARMY BROUGHT HER AND HER FAMILY TO SOUTH TAMPA IN 2019.

JARSHEKIA IS THE PRESIDENT OF SOUTHTOWN PARK HOMEOWNER
ASSOCIATION AND PROUD MEMBER OF AMERICAN LEGION POST 138.
SHE IS MARRIED TO HER HUSBAND, STEVE, A RETIRED GREEN BERET.
THEY HAVE TWO BEAUTIFUL CHILDREN TOGETHER, PENELOPE, TWO --
IS THAT THE TWO-YEAR-OLD?
NO.
THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A TWO-YEAR-OLD.
-- AND SEVEN-MONTH-OLD SAMPSON.
SHE IS ALSO A BONUS MOM TO CAROLINE, 17, AND NATALIA, 15.
PLEASE STAND AND WE'LL DO THE INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF
ALLEGIANCE.
9:09:16AM >> DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, JUST WANT TO THANK YOU, LORD, FOR
BLESSING US ALL WITH THE GIFT OF LIFE TO BE HERE THIS
MORNING.
LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS AMAZING CITY THAT WE LIVE IN.
LORD, I ASK THAT YOU BLESS THE LEADERS OF THIS CITY, FROM
THE CITY MAYOR TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE AIDES, THE STAFF,
THE WORKERS THAT MAKE THE CITY GO AROUND.
LORD, EVEN BLESS THE PEOPLE THAT INVEST THEIR TIME TO
REPRESENT THE INTERESTS OF THE PEOPLE.
LORD, I ASK THAT YOU BLESS OUR LEADERS WITH THE GIFT OF
DISCERNMENT AND BLESS THEM WITH YOUR WISDOM.
I PRAY, LORD, FOR A PRODUCTIVE SESSION TODAY WHERE WE ALWAYS
KEEP IN MIND THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE PEOPLE IN TAMPA.
LORD, I PRAY THAT YOU CONTINUE TO PROVIDE FOR AND CARE FOR

THOSE WHO HAVE LOST A LOT DURING THE DEVASTATING HURRICANES.
WE HAVE COMPLETE FAITH IN YOU THAT YOU WILL PROVIDE FOR
THOSE.
LORD, WE ALSO PRAY FOR PROTECTION OVER OUR CITY AS
GASPARILLA COMES UP.
LORD, WE PRAY FOR THE PROTECTION OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS
THAT THEY ALWAYS MAKE IT HOME AS PROMISED AT THE END OF THE
NIGHT.
IN YOUR MIGHTY NAME WE PRAY, LORD, AMEN.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:10:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
9:10:39AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
9:10:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
9:10:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
9:10:43AM >> HENDERSON?
VIERA?
9:10:44AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
9:10:45AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
9:10:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
9:10:46AM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
9:10:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. SHELBY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO REVIEW THE RULES AND
PROCEDURES OF PUBLIC COMMENT?
9:10:54AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY
COUNCIL ATTORNEY.

I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A COUPLE OF MINUTES TO REVIEW THE
CONDUCT OF TODAY'S MEETING AND GO OVER VERY BRIEFLY THE
RULES OF DECORUM.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE
START OF THE MEETING AFTER THE CEREMONIAL ITEMS, YOU'LL HAVE
THAT OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA BEFORE
THE CITY COUNCIL TAKES OFFICIAL ACTION ON THE ITEM.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THERE
ARE SPEAKER CARDS OUTSIDE THE CHAMBERS AND A BOX TO PLACE
THEM IN.
WE ASK YOU USE ONE CARD PER SPEAKER.
CARDS WILL BE ACCEPTED UNTIL THE START OF GENERAL PUBLIC
COMMENT.
YOU CAN DO THAT UNTIL THE END OF CEREMONIAL.
EACH WILL BE RECOGNIZED BY NAME BY THE CHAIR TO APPROACH AND
SPEAK.
A THREE-MINUTE TIME LIMIT APPLIES.
PLEASE PRINT LEGIBLY BECAUSE NAMES THAT CANNOT BE READ WILL
NOT BE CALLED.
IF YOU ARE HERE ON TODAY'S AGENDA TO SPEAK AT WHAT IS
DESIGNATED ON THE AGENDA AS A PUBLIC HEARING, DON'T USE THE
SPEAKER CARD.
THERE IS A SIGN-IN SHEET INSTEAD.
AND YOU WILL BE CALLED AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY WHEN THAT
PUBLIC HEARING IS CALLED UP ON THE AGENDA.

NOW, SPEAKERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE ALSO REMINDED
THAT YOU ARE TO REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING
MAKING VULGAR OR THREATENING REMARKS OR MAKING OR CAUSING
DISRUPTIVE NOISES OR SOUNDS OR DISPLAYING SIGNS OR GRAPHICS
THAT ARE DISTRACTING.
SPEAKERS ARE ALSO REMINDED TO REFRAIN FROM LAUNCHING
PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST ANY CITY OFFICIAL, STAFF MEMBER, OR
MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.
PLEASE DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE.
THE CHAIR WILL RULE OUT OF ORDER ANY PERSON WHO SPEAKS
WITHOUT BEING RECOGNIZED AND PERSONS FAILING TO COMPLY WITH
THE COUNCIL RULES MAY ALSO BE RULED OUT OF ORDER AT THE
CHAIR AND AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR MAY BE REMOVED FROM
THE CHAMBERS FOR THE REMAINDER OF TODAY'S MEETING.
FINALLY, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING A
SPEAKER UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE AWARE THAT CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT
TAKE QUESTIONS OR HAVE A DIALOGUE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.
THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS YOUR POSITION.
THANK YOU.
9:12:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE MINUTES FROM JANUARY 9,
2025 AND THE EVENING SESSION OF JANUARY 16?
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.

ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
ALL RIGHT.
WITH SOME HOUSEKEEPING, I'LL GO THROUGH THE STAFF REPORTS.
NO ADMINISTRATION UPDATE PER CHIEF BENNETT, THAT'S CORRECT?
ALL RIGHT.
ITEM 56, DO WE NEED SOMEBODY HERE IN PERSON?
9:13:24AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I DON'T THINK SO.
9:13:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
ALL RIGHT.
HOW ABOUT 57?
NO.
NO ON 56, NO ON 57.
HOW ABOUT 58?
NO.
AND 59?
NO.
ITEM 60?
9:13:43AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
9:13:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES ON 60.
MS. FEELEY IS GOING TO BE HERE TO PRESENT A VERBAL REPORT.
YES ON 60.
ITEM 61?
YES.

ABSOLUTELY.
ITEM 62, YES.
ITEM 63 YES.
ITEM 64, THERE IS A REQUEST TO CONTINUE TO AUGUST 1, 2025.
9:14:07AM >>LUIS VIERA:
NO, IF I MAY FOR THAT ONE, NO, I SPOKE TO
STAFF.
THAT SEVEN-MONTH CONTINUANCE WHICH I RESPECTFULLY WOULD NOT
AGREE TO.
I CAME TO STAFF AND WE AGREED TO EITHER MARCH 6 OR THE
27th.
THEREFORE MARCH 6.
9:14:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM 64 TO
MARCH 6 FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, SECOND FROM COUNCIL
MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
65 AND 66 WE BROUGHT THIS UP AT THURSDAY NIGHT'S HEARING TO
REMOVE THESE FROM THE AGENDA.
9:14:37AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I SAY SOMETHING?
66, I TALKED TO FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES LAST NIGHT AND
THIS HAS BEEN CONTINUED LIKE EIGHT TIMES.
I THINK IT'S DISRESPECTFUL TO THE FAMILY AND COMMUNITY TO
KEEP DRAGGING THIS OUT.
WE EITHER NEED TO MOVE FORWARD OR NOT MOVE FORWARD.
I THINK IT'S DISRESPECTFUL TO CONTINUE IT.

IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO FEBRUARY 5, THAT THAT WOULD BE
THE LAST TIME.
WE EITHER VOTE YES OR NO AT THAT POINT.
9:15:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ITEM 65 WAS MY MOTION.
I'D --
9:15:07AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I MEANT 66.
9:15:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
65, CAN I GET A MOTION TO REMOVE IT?
9:15:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ALSO FEBRUARY 6.
5 IS NOT A DATE.
THE 6 IS OUR MEETING.
9:15:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
REMOVE ITEM 65 AND CONTINUE ITEM 66 AND
THEN -- FEBRUARY 6, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IS THE LAST
CONTINUANCE.
9:15:33AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
JUST A REMINDER, COUNCIL, THERE ARE EIGHT
STAFF REPORTS AND UNFINISHED BUSINESS SET FOR FEBRUARY 6
PRESENTLY.
9:15:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOVE TO WAIVE OUR COUNCIL RULES ON THAT.
9:15:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR TO WAIVE THE RULES, AYE.
ANY OPPOSED.
9:15:50AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NOW A MOTION TO --
9:15:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO REMOVE 65.
MOTION TO CONTINUE 66 TO FEBRUARY 6 WITH THE UNDERSTANDING
THAT WOULD BE THE LAST CONTINUANCE.
9:15:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER

CLENDENIN.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WITH THE SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
RECEIVE AND FILE 67, 8, AND 9.
9:16:10AM >>BILL CARLSON:
8 I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE STAFF COME IN,
PLEASE.
IT'S A WRITTEN REPORT.
OKAY.
9:16:17AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU CAN SET FOR A FUTURE DATE OR TALK WITH
THE STAFF AND THEN BRING IT BACK.
9:16:22AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T REMEMBER HAVING -- OKAY.
WHAT SHOULD I DO?
9:16:28AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE IT AND
ASK FOR A STAFF PRESENTATION.
9:16:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT, PLEASE.
9:16:33AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHAT DATE WOULD BE OPEN ON THE AGENDA?
9:16:36AM >> DO YOU WANT TO HOLD IT UNTIL YOU FIND A DATE?
9:16:40AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
HOW MUCH TIME IS NEEDED, DO YOU THINK?
9:16:49AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE SHORT FORM ON THIS IS THAT THE PARKS
DEPARTMENT SAID IT MIGHT NOT MAKE A PARK BUT THE COMMUNITY
WANTS US TO TAKE THIS PROPERTY OVER.
WE NEED TO HAVE A LONGER DISCUSSION.
9:16:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DO YOU WANT TO DO MARCH 27?
I THINK THERE'S ROOM ON THERE.
9:17:03AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE MOTION THAT CLENDENIN SAID --

9:17:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE ITEM 67 AND 69.
CONTINUE 68 TO MARCH 27 WITH STAFF HAVING AN IN-PERSON
REPORT.
9:17:16AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SECOND.
9:17:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
LET ME MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE EVERYTHING CORRECT.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AND THE ADDENDUM?
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
9:17:34AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE
STAFF REPORTS BECAUSE OF THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT YOU DON'T
NEED STAFF FOR, IN ORDER TO MOVE THINGS ALONG, I WOULD
REQUEST BECOME YOUR CUSTOM TO TAKE THAT AT THE END OF THE
CONSENT DOCKET AND MOVE THOSE THEN.
9:17:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ONCE I DO CONSENT, I'LL DO THAT.
9:17:52AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF THERE'S ANYBODY FROM HYDE PARK THAT
HAPPENS TO BE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE PROPERTY ON 68, PLEASE
GO AHEAD AND SPEAK IN PUBLIC COMMENT BECAUSE IT WILL HELP
INFORM US FOR WHEN IT COMES BACK IN MARCH.
THANK YOU.

9:18:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
VERY GOOD.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AND THE ADDENDUM.
ALREADY VOTED ON UNANIMOUSLY.
WE'LL GO TO CEREMONIAL ACTIVITIES.
WE'LL KICK IT OFF WITH A COMMENDATION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
HURTAK TO MR. HARRY HEDGES.
9:18:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ANYONE ELSE THAT'S HERE FOR HARRY, IF THEY
WANT TO COME UP AND STAND BEHIND US AND SHOW THEIR SUPPORT
TODAY.
I LOVE WHEN WE DO THAT.
GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
TODAY WE'RE CELEBRATING HARRY HEDGES JUST A WONDERFUL,
WONDERFUL PERSON WHO HAS DONE SO MUCH FOR AFFORDABLE
HOUSING.
IT IS THE CITY COUNCIL'S HONOR TO RECOGNIZE HARRY HEDGES FOR
HIS 11 YEARS OF DEDICATED SERVICE ON THE CITY OF TAMPA'S
AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
FIRST APPOINTED BY MAYOR BOB BUCKHORN IN 2013, HARRY
CONTINUED TO SERVE AS AHAC BOARD MEMBER UNTIL JULY OF 2024,
INCLUDING EIGHT YEARS AS CHAIR.
HARRY HAS SERVED ON SEVERAL OTHER GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATIONS
AND COMMITTEES TO TACKLE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS AND
GRACIOUSLY SHARED HIS EXPERTISE AND IN-DEPTH KNOWLEDGE WITH
AHAC.
TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WISHES TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR GENEROUS

SERVICE TO THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA, PRESENTED THIS 23rd DAY
OF JANUARY, 2025.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:20:02AM >> THANK YOU.
IT IS A LONG JOURNEY IN SUPPORTING HOUSING IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
I FIRST STARTED WITH SANDY FREEDMAN, AND SHE TOOK OVER SO
THAT GOVERNOR MARTINEZ COULD RUN FOR GOVERNOR.
AT THAT TIME, A HOUSE WAS $63,750 IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WE CAME OVER FROM FIRST FLORIDA BANK AND COMMITTED $3
MILLION TO KICK OFF THE CHALLENGE FUND.
THOUGH I MAY HAVE RETIRED FROM THIS, I HAVE NOT RETIRED FROM
AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND STANDING UP FOR NOT ONLY THE CITY OF
TAMPA, BUT I CONTINUE WITH THE COUNTY AND THE STATE.
BUT WE ALL LOOK FORWARD TO HELPING THE PEOPLE THAT NEED THE
HELP THE MOST, OUR PEOPLE THAT SERVE OUR COMMUNITY, AND THAT
INCLUDES THE TEACHERS, THE NURSES, THE FIREMEN AND THE
POLICEMEN.
SO WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT NEED YOUR SUPPORT GOING
FORWARD IN HOUSING.
I AM HONORED AND THIS LADY WHO SERVED ON MY COMMITTEE FOR
SOME TIME HAS BEEN A GREAT ASSET TO WHAT THE CITY MEANS TO
AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THANK YOU.
AND THANK YOU ALL.

[ APPLAUSE ]
9:21:32AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST WANT TO SAY REAL FAST, THANK YOU FOR
YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE.
WITH ALL OF YOUR EXPERIENCE, PLEASE DON'T FORGET YOU HAVE
OUR CELL PHONES.
IF YOU AGREE OR DON'T AGREE, MORE IMPORTANTLY IF YOU DON'T
AGREE WITH SOMETHING, CALL US AND LET US KNOW.
THANK YOU TO COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK WHO IS BRINGING ALL THE
MATERIALS FROM THE COMMITTEE TO US SO THAT WE SEE IT.
FINALLY, THANKS TO THE SUPPORTS, ESPECIALLY GOVERNOR FOR
COMING TODAY.
YOU KNOW YOU HAVE DONE A LOT OF GREAT THINGS IF THE GOVERNOR
IS COMING TO HONOR YOU.
THANK YOU ALL.
9:22:03AM >>LUIS VIERA:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAS A BIG PASSION FOR
THIS.
THANK YOU, SIR, FOR ALL YOUR YEARS OF WORK.
YOU DO THE WORK OF GEORGE BAILEY, IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE.
I MEAN THAT.
THAT CHARACTER TRIED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYDAY PEOPLE HAD
ACCESS TO HOUSING AND THAT'S WHAT YOU DO.
THE PEOPLE HERE WITH YOU OBVIOUSLY SPEAK TO YOUR WORK AND
OBVIOUSLY AN HONOR TO HAVE GOVERNOR BOB MARTINEZ HERE WHO IS
A FINE GENTLEMAN.
SO LUCKY TO HAVE HIM HERE IN THE ROOM AND HERE IN TAMPA.

JUST A WONDERFUL GENTLEMAN.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.
9:22:35AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU, HARRY, AND ALL
OF YOU, GOVERNOR, AND ALL ON THE COMMITTEE SERVED OR MARRIED
TO SOMEBODY WHO SERVED.
BECAUSE IF YOU ARE MARRIED TO SOMEBODY SERVING, IN ESSENCE
YOU ARE SERVING YOURSELF BECAUSE THEY ARE OUT THERE.
WHAT I'M SAYING, YOU KNOW, THE PRICES OF HOUSING ARE
DIVIDING CITIES INTO MORE THAN JUST HALVES.
THEY ARE DIVIDING IT TO A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN'T LIVE
ANYMORE.
NO MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE, WHETHER NEW YORK, MONTREAL,
RIO DE JANEIRO OR TAMPA, FLORIDA, IT'S JUST A NECESSITY THAT
EVERYONE NEEDS.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUY A HOUSE -- AND MOST
OF US DO NOT NOW -- I'LL GIVE AN EXAMPLE.
I -- MY WIFE AND I BOUGHT THE HOUSE IN 1968 FOR $12,800.
IF I GET 450,000, I CAN'T MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THAT IS THE PROBLEM WE'RE FACING, ALL OF US.
IN ESSENCE, IT'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING MORE THAT THE
GOVERNMENT CAN DO AND THAT THE LAND -- THE LAND VALUE NOW IS
EQUAL TO HALF THE PRICE OF THE HOUSE, TOTAL COST.
SO WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
IS IT A GOOD PROBLEM?
SOMETIMES IT IS AND MOST OF THE TIME IT'S NOT, BECAUSE

PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD IT.
I WANT TO THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU FOR THE TIME YOU
HAVE GIVEN FOR MANY YEARS TO MAKE THE THING EASIER AND
AFFORDABLE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
HAVE A ROOF OVER THEIR HEAD AND HAVE HOPE THAT THEY CAN BE
BETTER OFF THAN WHEN THEY WERE BEFORE YOU GUYS GOT INVOLVED.
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
9:24:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN AND COUNCIL
MEMBER HENDERSON.
9:24:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES, GOOD MORNING.
ONE, I'LL START BY SAYING I THINK -- I SERVED WITH
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK COMING UP ON TWO YEARS NOW.
I THINK THIS MAY BE THE FIRST TIME I HAVE ACTUALLY SEEN HER
DO AN IN-PERSON PRESENTATION TO SOMEONE.
9:24:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEY ARE RARE.
9:24:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SHE DOESN'T JUST DOLE THESE THINGS OUT.
TO HAVE YOU RISE TO THAT LEVEL AND HER PASSION ON AFFORDABLE
HOUSING IS QUITE A STATEMENT.
WORKS TO YOU MAY OR MAY NOT, I'M DEAR FRIENDS WITH MAYOR
FREEDMAN.
THE HOUSING CHALLENGE FUND, WHAT YOU ALL DID DURING THAT
ADMINISTRATION WAS REALLY INSTRUMENTAL IN HOW I APPROACH
THESE PUBLIC POLICY DECISIONS IN HOUSING.
I THINK IT WAS SO FORWARD THINKING.
IT WAS A PERFECT BALANCE OF PUBLIC AND PRIVATE INVESTMENT

AND NEIGHBORHOOD CHANGES AND BEING ABLE TO, ONE, KEEP PEOPLE
IN THEIR HOMES.
ENSURING THAT LOTS OR HOUSES NOT UTILIZED WERE REPURPOSED
AND WE CHANGED NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT REALLY DID CHANGE THE TRAJECTORY OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I THINK EVERYTHING OLD IS NEW AGAIN.
I KNOW MS. FEELEY WE'VE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS BEFORE WHEN
WE TALK ABOUT PROGRAMMING THE FUNDS, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO
GO BACK AND REVISIT.
YOU PAVED THE WAY FOR THE FUTURE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA AND
THE PAVEMENT YOU PUT DOWN WE'RE CONTINUING TO DRIVE ON.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
9:25:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
9:25:40AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU, CHAIR.
GOOD MORNING, MR. HEDGES.
CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU ON YOUR RETIREMENT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC SERVICE.
I AM A RECIPIENT OF THE CHALLENGE FUND.
I CAN GET EMOTIONAL ABOUT IT BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
THE CITY DID IN PROVIDING THE CHALLENGE FUND TO CITIZENS OF
OUR COMMUNITY IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE GENERATIONAL
WEALTH THROUGH HOME OWNERSHIP.
THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED.
I LIVE IN TAMPA HEIGHTS.
DIDN'T COST ME 12,000.

COST ME 50,000, WHICH WAS A LOT OF MONEY FOR A TEACHER AT
THAT TIME, BUT IT MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR ME AND MY DAUGHTER TO
OWN A HOME.
I KNOW THAT IT IS BECAUSE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA'S EFFORTS AND
THE HOUSING COMMITTEE'S EFFORT TO REALLY CREATE THESE
OPPORTUNITIES FOR FAMILIES.
I'M JUST TRULY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT.
YOU CALLED HIM GOVERNOR.
I CALL HIM A DRAGON.
OUR GOVERNOR IS HERE, BOB MARTINEZ.
I APPRECIATE THAT AS WELL.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO THE FOREFRONT AND
ACKNOWLEDGING HIM.
THE REASON WHY IT IS RARE THAT TEACHERS DO THAT IS BECAUSE
EVERYBODY CAN'T GET A TROPHY.
THAT'S WHY SHE PICKED YOU BECAUSE IT IS WELL DESERVING.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
9:26:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. HEDGES, YOU ARE A TRULY WONDERFUL
INDIVIDUAL.
I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN YOU NOT SMILING.
IT'S ALWAYS -- YOU HAVE THIS POSITIVE ENERGY.
IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO BE AROUND YOU, BUT YOU ARE A PERSON THAT
CLEARLY LOVES AND CARES ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY AS HAS BEEN
SPOKEN AND SAID.
EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE DONE IN SERVICE AND GIVING BACK.

I APPRECIATE YOU.
I APPRECIATE YOUR FRIENDSHIP.
I'M GLAD THAT YOU ARE HERE TODAY THAT COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK
IS HONORING YOU.
I'M GLAD TO SEE OUR FORMER MAYOR AND GOVERNOR BOB MARTINEZ.
I KNOW YOU ARE ALL GOOD FRIENDS.
WE'RE VERY BLESSED TO HAVE YOU.
CONGRATULATIONS.
I KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING AWAY BECAUSE THERE'S ALSO
CORNERSTONE KIDS AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT YOU ARE
INVOLVED WITH THAT I'VE SUPPORTED, THAT I WILL CONTINUE TO
SUPPORT.
YOU HAVE A HEART OF GOLD.
YOU ARE ALWAYS HELPING SOMEBODY ELSE.
SO WE APPRECIATE YOU.
CONGRATULATIONS, THIS IS VERY WELL DESERVED.
[ APPLAUSE ]
WE'LL TAKE A MOMENT AND GO TO THE NEXT ITEM.
ITEM NUMBER 2 IS COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
9:28:46AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
IT IS A REAL PLEASURE TO BE HERE TODAY.
I WANTED TO HAVE A PRESENTATION, AS WE'VE DONE FOR THE LAST
SEVERAL YEARS, FOR HOLOCAUST REMEMBRANCE DAY, WHICH IS
JANUARY 27.
THIS IS THE DATE WHERE IT IS CHOSEN TO COMMEMORATE WHEN THE

AUSCHWITZ CONCENTRATION CAMP WAS LIBERATED.
WE HAVE SOME VERY, VERY SPECIAL PEOPLE HERE WITH US TODAY.
WE HAVE MR. JEFFREY BERGER WHO IS HERE, PRESIDENT OF THE
TAMPA JEWISH COMMUNITY CENTERS AND FEDERATION.
WE HAVE MR. JOE PROVASCO, FORMER PRESIDENT, AS WELL AS
MANAGING PARTNER OF BUSH ROSS, THE LAW FIRM.
MAX BRAY, AND MORGAN POGODA WITH USF HILLEL WHO WILL BE
SPEAKING, I BELIEVE.
WE HAVE MS. SYLVIE FEINSMITH WITH HILLELS OF FLORIDA
SUNCOAST.
WE HAVE WITH US HERE, MEETING HER AFTERWARDS, EMILY
BERNSTEIN WITH I BELIEVE IT IS THE FLORIDA ANTIDEFAMATION
LEAGUE WHO IS ALSO HERE.
I WANTED TO INVITE THESE FOLKS TO TALK ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
OBVIOUSLY SUCH AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.
WE KNOW THAT BEFORE OCTOBER 7 OF 2023, 60% REPORTED HATE
CRIMES TO THE FBI ON A RELIGIOUS BASIS THAT AROSE OUT OF
ANTI-SEMITISM.
VERY, VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE OBVIOUSLY.
I WANTED TO INVITE MR. BERGER TO COME FORTH.
GO AHEAD, SIR.
9:30:04AM >> CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, GOOD MORNING.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU AND
TO OUR FELLOW TAMPA RESIDENTS TODAY.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, THANK YOU ALSO FOR YOUR KIND INTRODUCTION

AND HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
THIS COMING MONDAY, JANUARY 27 MARKS INTERNATIONAL HOLOCAUST
REMEMBRANCE DAY, DAY DESIGNATED BY COMMEMORATION BY THE
UNITED NATIONS.
JANUARY 27 WAS SELECTED BECAUSE IT WAS ON JANUARY 27, 1945 A
MERE 80 YEARS AGO NEXT MONDAY THAT THE HELLACIOUS AUSCHWITZ
AND BIRKENAU CONCENTRATION CAMPS WERE LIBERATED.
OUR NEXT SPEAKERS WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THE CAMPS IN A FEW
MOMENTS.
THE U.N. GENERAL ASSEMBLY RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING
INTERNATIONAL HOLOCAUST REMEMBRANCE DAY URGES EVERY MEMBER
NATION TO HONOR THE MEMORY OF HOLOCAUST VICTIMS.
6 MILLION JEWS ALONG WITH MILLIONS OF OTHER MINORITIES WERE
MURDERED BY THE NAZIS.
THE RESOLUTION ALSO ENCOURAGES THE DEVELOPMENT OF
EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST TO HELP PREVENT
HISTORY FROM REPEATING ITSELF.
THE RESOLUTION REJECTS ANY FORM OF HOLOCAUST DENIAL AND
CONDEMNS ALL MANIFESTATIONS OF RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE,
INCITEMENT, HARASSMENT OR VIOLENCE BASED ON ETHNIC ORIGIN OR
RELIGIOUS BELIEF THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.
THE MESSAGE OF THE U.N. RESOLUTION, WHICH IS BOTH
INSPIRATIONAL AND ASPIRATIONAL, IS JUST AS IMPORTANT TODAY
AS IT WAS WHEN THE RESOLUTION WAS ADOPTED IN 2005 AND
PERHAPS EVEN MORE SO.

TODAY, AS WE REMEMBER, HONOR, AND MOURN THE MILLIONS OF
LIVES LOST IN THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS, WE ALSO REMEMBER THAT
THE HOLOCAUST DIDN'T START IN AUSCHWITZ, BIRKENAU OR THE
CONCENTRATION CAMPS.
THE KILLING FIELDS, THE GAS CHAMBERS, CREMATORIA, ALL OF THE
HORRIFIC MASSACRE FACTORIES DID NOT SPRING UP IN GERMANY AND
NAZI CONTROLLED CENTRAL EUROPE OVERNIGHT.
RATHER THE CULMINATION OF GRADUAL RISING TIDE OF
ANTI-SEMITISM THAT STARTED EARLIER FIRST WITH RACIST SPEWING
ANTI-JEWISH HATE RANTS WHICH THEN GREW INTO PERSONAL ATTACKS
ON JEWS WHICH THEN TURNED INTO POGROMS AGAINST JEWISH
COMMUNITIES UNTIL FINALLY WHEN THE NAZIS CAME TO POWER IN
GERMANY, THIS JEW HATE BECAME THE DEFINING GENOCIDAL
IDEOLOGY OF THE ENTIRE THIRD REICH.
WE'VE SEEN DRAMATIC INCREASE IN HATE SPEECH AND ANTI-SEMITIC
INCIDENTS, THE JEWISH COMMUNITY IS ALARMED.
WE'VE SEEN WHAT HAPPENS WHEN HATEFUL ACTIVITIES GO
UNCHECKED.
NOW WE KNOW BETTER.
TODAY, AS WE REMEMBER THE HOLOCAUST AND SEE YET ANOTHER
RISING TIDE OF JEW HATE IN FLORIDA, AMERICA AND AROUND THE
WORLD, WE ARE STANDING UP AND WE ARE COMMITTED TO A SINGLE
OVERARCHING PRINCIPLE, NEVER AGAIN.
AS WE REMEMBER THE VICTIMS OF THE HOLOCAUST WE ALSO REMEMBER
THE HEROISM OF THOSE WHO REFUSED TO BE BYSTANDERS AND RISKED

THEIR OWN LIVES.
WE REMEMBER THE SO-CALLED RIGHTEOUS GENTILES, OVER 11,000
RECOGNIZED IN JERUSALEM BECAUSE COURAGE AND MORALITY.
WE REMEMBER THE SOLDIERS WHO FOUGHT AND DEFEATED THE NAZIS,
LIBERATED THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS 80 YEARS AGO, SAVING THE
REMAINING JEWS AND OTHER PRISONERS WHO WERE ABLE TO SURVIVE
THE NAZI HORRORS.
WE RECOGNIZE AND THANK YOU, THE MEMBERS OF THE TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL, FOR SUPPORTING OUR LOCAL JEWISH COMMUNITY.
YOU PASSED A STRONG RESOLUTION AGAINST ANTI-SEMITISM A
COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN VOCAL AND
STEADFAST PARTNERS WITH US IN OUR FIGHT AGAINST THE RISE OF
JEW HATE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR COURAGE AND MORALITY ON THIS ISSUE, AND
WE CALL UPON ALL CITIZENS OF TAMPA TO FOLLOW YOUR LEAD AND
JOIN US IN TODAY'S FIGHT AGAINST ANTI-SEMITISM AND ALL OTHER
FORMS OF RACISM, BIGOTRY AND HATRED.
FINALLY, I WANT TO STRESS THE IMPORTANCE OF HOLOCAUST
EDUCATION.
AS TIME PASSES, IT IS INCREDIBLE THAT WE ARE LOSING OUR
EYEWITNESSES TO THIS AWFUL PERIOD OF HUMAN HISTORY.
PEOPLE WHO LIVED THROUGH THE HOLOCAUST AND ABLE TO GIVE US
PERSONAL, FIRSTHAND ACCOUNTS OF WHAT HAPPENED.
AS THE NUMBER DIMINISHES, IT BECOMES OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO
MAKE SURE THAT OUR GENERATION AND THE GENERATIONS THAT

FOLLOW US WILL NEVER FORGET THE HOLOCAUST.
AS THE U.N. RESOLUTION MAKES CLEAR, HOLOCAUST EDUCATION IS
CRITICAL TO OUR PRIMARY OBJECTIVE, TO ENSURE THAT NEVER
AGAIN TRULY MEANS NEVER AGAIN.
OUR NEXT SPEAKERS ARE OUTSTANDING EXAMPLES OF PEOPLE IN THE
NEXT GENERATION WHO ARE EDUCATED ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST AND CAN
SPEAK ABOUT IT FROM PERSPECTIVES THAT ARE BOTH HISTORICAL
AND PERSONAL.
AS I TURN THE PODIUM OVER TO MAX AND MORGAN, I WANT TO THANK
YOU AGAIN, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND FOR
PROVIDING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU TODAY.
9:34:56AM >> GOOD MORNING, ESTEEMED TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY.
MY NAME IS MORGAN PAGODA.
9:35:04AM >> I'M MAX.
9:35:05AM >> AS WE COMMEMORATE INTERNATIONAL HOLOCAUST REMEMBRANCE
DAY, WE STAND BEFORE YOU NOT ONLY AS PROUD MEMBERS OF
AMERICA'S JEWISH COMMUNITY, BUT AS INDIVIDUALS WHO HAD THE
HONOR TO BEAR WITNESS TO THE DEVASTATING CONSEQUENCES OF
UNCHECKED HATRED.
9:35:21AM >> ALONG WITH OUR CLASSMATES WE RECENTLY RETURNED FROM A
LIFE-CHANGING JOURNEY TO POLAND WITH USF AND NEW TAMPA
HILLEL.
NOTHING SHORT OF TRANSFORMATIVE.
TO WITNESS THE REMNANTS OF GENOCIDE RESHAPES ONE'S

UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT MEANS TO BE HUMAN.
9:35:41AM >> PARTICIPATING IN THIS FELLOWSHIP TO POLAND ALONGSIDE
AMERICAN JEWISH STUDENTS FROM DIVERSE BACKGROUNDS WAS AN
EYE-OPENING EXPERIENCE IN ITSELF.
HOWEVER, THE TRUE PURPOSE OF OUR JOURNEY IS TO SHARE WHAT WE
WITNESS AND ENSURE THAT NEVER AGAIN IS A REALITY.
9:35:55AM >> IT IS CRUCIAL TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE WORD JEWS USE TO
DESCRIBE THE HOLOCAUST IS NOT AN EVENT THAT HAPPENED
OVERNIGHT.
WHILE MANY SUFFERED UNDER THE NAZIS, THE FINAL SOLUTION WAS
SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO ADDRESS WHAT THEY CALLED THE JEWISH
PROBLEM.
ATROCITIES DIDN'T OCCUR SUDDENLY BUT RATHER CARRIED OUT OVER
TIME THROUGH THE DEEPEN OF ANTI-SEMITISM, THE SYSTEMATIC
EROSION OF RIGHTS AND UNCHALLENGED DEHUMANIZATION OF JEWS.
JEWISH LIFE IN POLAND ONCE THRIVING AND MAKING UP 10% OF THE
POPULATION WAS DECIMATED OVER THE COURSE OF 12 YEARS.
9:36:30AM >> IT'S ALSO VITAL TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE GENOCIDE WASN'T
COMMITTED BY A SMALL RADICAL GROUP ALONE.
MANY ACROSS NAZI OCCUPIED TERRITORIES EITHER ALLOWED OR
ACTIVELY PARTICIPATED IN THE ATROCITIES.
GROWING UP IN MODERN DAY AMERICA, THE IDEA OF SEEING OTHERS
LESS THAN HUMAN SEEMED UNIMAGINABLE, UNTIL I SAW FIRSTHAND
HOW PEOPLE WERE MANIPULATED BY THE LIVES OF THE NAZI REGIME.
9:36:56AM >> HOW COULD PEOPLE BELIEVE PROPAGANDA TARGETING A MINORITY?

AS JEWS WE OFTEN REFER TO OURSELVES AS THE CANARIES IN THE
COAL MINE.
RISING HATRED OFTEN STARTS WITH US.
THE HOLOCAUST WASN'T CHAOTIC BUT INSIDIOUS.
THE NAZI REGIME'S METHODICAL APPROACH CAPITALIZED ON DEEPLY
ROOTED ANTI-SEMITISM TURNING IT INTO A TOOL FOR POLITICAL
POWER.
WE SHARE THIS NOT TO DWELL ON THE THIRD REICH BUT TO
UNDERSCORE HOW EASILY ANTI-SEMITISM, THE OLDEST HATRED, CAN
BE WEAPONIZED TO DEVASTATING EFFECT.
9:37:33AM >> WE NEED YOU TO UNDERSTAND THE DEPTH OF THE NAZIS PLANS,
WHICH WERE NOT JUST ABOUT EXTERMINATION BUT THE TOTAL
DEHUMANIZATION OF JEWS LITERALLY AND FIGURATIVELY.
AT AUSCHWITZ, WE SAW OVER SEVEN TONS OF HUMAN HAIR TAKEN
FROM JEWISH PRISONERS, THE HAIR OF OUR WOMEN, TRADITIONALLY
COVERED TO PRESERVE MODESTY AND THE WAY OUR MEN SHOW RESPECT
TO GOD WAS SHAVED OFF TO DEHUMANIZE US AND REPURPOSED AS A
COMMODITY TO SUPPORT THE NAZI ECONOMY.
9:38:05AM >> WHILE IT MAY SEEM LIKE DISENFRANCHISING JEWS OF THEIR
IDENTITY, CULTURE AND ROOTS WAS ABANDONED IN THE ANNALS OF
HISTORY, WE STAND BEFORE YOU TO EXPRESS THAT SINCE THE
HORRORS OF OCTOBER 7 WE'VE DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY WITNESSED
THE SAME ATTEMPTS, SOME ACCEPTED AND SOME NOT TO WEAPONIZE
HATRED AGAINST US AND JEWS IN GENERAL.
9:38:32AM >> OUR TRIP TO POLAND ALLOWED US TO DISCOVER THE BEAUTIFUL,

VIBRANT, RICH JEWISH CULTURE THAT ONCE THRIVED IN POLAND.
WHILE WE CAN NEVER FULLY RECOVER FROM THE IMMENSE LOSSES
INFLICTED ON OUR PEOPLE DURING THE HOLOCAUST, WE STAND
BEFORE YOU TODAY WITH HOPE AND WITH PRIDE.
80 YEARS AFTER THE LIBERATION OF AUSCHWITZ ON JANUARY 27,
1945, JEWISH LIFE IN POLAND IS BEING REANIMATED.
9:38:57AM >> FROM DANCING IN AN ORTHODOX SYNAGOGUE WITH THE LOCAL
JEWISH COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN WARSAW TO MEETING WITH STUDENTS
WE SAW FIRSTHAND THAT THE JEWISH COMMUNITY, THOUGH SMALL, IS
GROWING AND STRONG.
9:39:11AM >> WITNESSING THE LIGHT OF JEWISH RENEWAL ALONGSIDE THE
DARKEST CHAPTERS OF HUMAN HISTORY HAS HELPED US PROCESS THE
TRAGEDY.
IT REAFFIRMED FOR US THE POWER OF BEING AN UP STANDER OF
ETHICAL AND INTENTIONAL LEADERSHIP AND OF THE IMPORTANCE OF
VALUING AND CONTRIBUTING TO SOCIETY.
ABOVE ALL, IT REINFORCED THE VALUES AND OPPORTUNITIES
AMERICA OFFERED TO OUR FOREFATHERS.
9:39:34AM >> MY GREAT GRANDFATHER WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO ESCAPE THE
HOLOCAUST AND BUILD A NEW LIFE IN AMERICA.
UNFORTUNATELY, HIS BROTHERS AND SISTERS WERE NOT.
I WAS RAISED WITH THE VALUES OF EQUALITY, FREEDOM AND THE
BELIEF OF POSITIVELY CONTRIBUTING TO SOCIETY TO ENSURE THAT
THE HORRORS FACED MY GREAT AUNTS AND UNCLES AND HUMANS IN
GENERAL WILL NEVER BE REPEATED.

9:40:01AM >> COMING BACK FROM THE TRIP WE FELT COMFORT KNOWING WE ARE
A PART OF A COMMUNITY WITH LEADERS LIKE YOU WHO GENUINELY
CARE.
WE KNOW YOU SHARE OUR BELIEF THAT ANTI-SEMITISM IS SOMETHING
NONE OF US WANT TO SEE FOR OURSELVES, OUR CHILDREN AND EVERY
FUTURE GENERATION.
TOGETHER, WITH OUR SHARED IDEAS, LEADERSHIP AND VALUES THAT
UNITE US, WE BELIEVE WE CAN MAKE NEVER AGAIN MORE THAN JUST
WORDS.
IT IS SOMETHING WE CAN TRULY ACHIEVE.
THANK YOU.
9:40:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:40:31AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, GUYS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[ APPLAUSE ]
I DID WANT TO SAY VERY BRIEFLY, I WROTE DOWN RECOGNIZE THE
LATE NAT ROSS WHO DIED A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO.
HE WAS A TAMPA AUSCHWITZ SURVIVOR AND LIVED IN NEW TAMPA AND
HIS SON JAY, GRANDDAUGHTER DANA AND OTHERS REMEMBER HIM.
HE WAS AN AMAZING PERSON.
COUNCIL, IF YOU WISH TO SAY ANYTHING.
9:40:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE APPRECIATE IT.
[ APPLAUSE ]
ITEM 3 IS OCEA WYNN, ADMINISTRATOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND

COMMUNITY AFFAIRS REGARDING THE DISABILITY INTERNSHIP
PROGRAM.
THAT IS ALSO COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
9:41:22AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
IF I MAY TEE THIS UP, MR. CHAIRMAN, I APPRECIATE IT.
I WANTED TO INVITE THESE FOLKS TO COME AND SPEAK ABOUT THE
SPECIAL NEEDS INTERNSHIP PROGRAM IN THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT
WE SHOULD ALL BE VERY, VERY PROUD OF.
WE HAVE RAQUEL PANCHO AND THE INTERN HERE FROM OUR PROGRAM.
WE HAVE HERE I SEE REGINA.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR WORK.
WE HAVE SEAN STEPHENSON WITH CITY OF TAMPA.
ERIC KAISER, HIS INTERN.
I WANTED TO SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT SHAWN HERE HAS TAKEN ON
MR. KAISER AS A CONTRACTOR DOING FORMAL WORK FOR THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
TALKING ABOUT WHAT THIS PROGRAM SHOULD DO.
WE ALSO HAVE HERE MS. PHYLLIS GUFFMAN, KAREN LEVY AND RITA
HATAB WITH McDONALD'S TRAINING CENTER.
9:42:23AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
RAQUEL PANCHO.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING THE INTERNSHIP PROGRAM TO THE
CITY OF TAMPA.
I'M ALSO VERY GRATEFUL MAYOR CASTOR, CHIEF OF STAFF BENNETT,
OCEA WYNN AND REGINA FOR TAKING THE EFFORTS TO LEAD THE

INTERNSHIP PROGRAM.
I'VE BEEN BLESSED WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH TAVY.
SHE GRADUATED IN 2023 WITH THE MICROSOFT TRAINING PROGRAM.
SHE HAS BEEN A GODSEND TO ME IN THE OFFICE.
HELPED ME WITH DATA ENTRY, RESEARCH, FACT SHEETS, DATA ENTRY
OF ALL OF THE ADA SURVEYS COMPLETED.
ALSO TASKED WITH REPORTING MY CALL LOGS, WHICH IS A LOT OF
CALLS.
SHE HAS TO READ MY CHICKEN SCRATCH AND TRANSLATE THAT TO
ACTUAL LEGIBLE INFORMATION.
I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR HER WORK.
I'LL HAVE HER SHARE INFORMATION IN JUST A SECOND.
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY
FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA TO BRING THIS.
MANY TIMES EMPLOYERS DON'T TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PASS THE
PERSONS DISABILITY SO THEY CAN SHOWCASE THEIR TALENTS AND
SKILLS.
TAVY IS REALLY HIGHLIGHTING THE TALENTS SHE CAN BRING TO AN
EMPLOYER.
I UNDERSTAND FROM HER MOM IN HER LAST JOB, SHE WAS ASKING TO
WORK MORE THAN NINE HOURS A WEEK AND THEY NEVER INCREASED
HER HOURS.
HERE WITH THE CITY, SHE'S WORKING CLOSER TO 20 HOURS A WEEK.
GRATEFUL FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY.
I'M HOPING MORE BUSINESSES WILL SEE HER LEAD AND BRINGING

THIS TO THE CITY OF TAMPA AND RECOGNIZING THAT PEOPLE WITH
DISABILITIES CAN REALLY BRING TALENTS TO THE WORKFORCE.
SO THANK YOU.
I'LL HAVE TAVY SHARE INFORMATION.
9:44:03AM >> HELLO.
MY NAME IS TAVY.
I'M WORKING AS AN INTERN FOR RAQUEL PANCHO, THE ADA
COORDINATOR OF THE CITY.
BECAUSE OF THE INTERNSHIP PROGRAM BETWEEN THE McDONALD'S
TRAINING CENTER AND THE CITY, I'M ABSOLUTELY ENJOYING MY
TIME WORKING WITH RAQUEL.
I'M ALSO APPLYING MY MICROSOFT SKILLS WITH THE MANY TASKS
SHE'S BEEN GIVING ME.
FOR EXAMPLE, SEVERAL OF THE TASKS ARE MAKING PRESENTATIONS
FOR MEETINGS USING PowerPoint, PROVIDING DATA ENTRY USING
EXCEL.
MAKING RESEARCH PAPERS FOR SERVICE DOGS OR HOW EATING
DISORDERS ARE AFFECTED BY THE HOLIDAYS BY MICROSOFT WORD AND
ALSO HELPING HER E-MAILING AWARDS FOR THE NOMINEES FOR THE
ASIAN PACIFIC ISLANDER FESTIVAL USING OUTLOOK.
I'VE ALSO BEEN HELPING ORGANIZE AND FILING DOING OTHER TASKS
FOR HER.
HOPEFULLY IN THE FUTURE, I CAN GET HIRED AND CONTINUE
WORKING FOR HER.
9:45:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

9:45:24AM >> INTRODUCE SHAWN.
9:45:25AM >> MY NAME IS SEAN STEPHENSON.
WITH T & I.
FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING THIS PROGRAM.
THANK YOU, CHIEF BENNETT.
PERSONALLY, IT'S BEEN VERY REWARDING.
GOT TO KNOW ERIC OVER THE PAST SIX MONTHS.
IT'S NOT JUST A JOB, NOT JUST AN EMPLOYEE BUT ALSO A
RELATIONSHIP NOW.
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
FROM THE JOB PERSPECTIVE, WE BROUGHT IN ERIC TO DO A LOT OF
OUR PC DEPLOYMENTS, PHONE DEPLOYMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THOSE THINGS ARE PROCESS DRIVEN.
THERE ARE TASK LISTS AND THINGS THAT HE CAN FOLLOW.
HE KNOCKED IT OUT OF THE PARK.
HE DID SO WELL THAT WE BROUGHT HIM ON AS A CONTRACTOR.
NOW WE'VE GOT A PC DEPLOYMENT FOR 2025.
WE'VE GOT PHONES FOR ALL OF TPD THAT WE'LL BE DEPLOYING THIS
YEAR.
WE HAVE THE TEXT MESSAGING ARCHIVE PROJECT THAT WE'RE
WORKING ON RIGHT NOW AND WINDOWS 10 THAT WE HAVE TO MIGRATE.
ALL THOSE PROJECTS ERIC WILL BE INVOLVED IN.
HE'S DONE A WONDERFUL JOB FOR US AND BEEN VERY REWARDING FOR
US.

9:46:36AM >> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PREPARED LIKE TAVY DID.
[ LAUGHTER ]
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR
EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE AND PUT YOUR NECK OUT THERE TO
GIVE US, THE AUTISM COMMUNITY AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW OUR
METTLE AND LET US SHOW THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT.
WITHOUT YOU GUYS, I WOULDN'T HAVE HAD THIS OPPORTUNITY AND I
WOULDN'T HAVE HAD THE ABILITY TO MEET SHAWN AND MEET THE
PEOPLE THAT I HAVE.
IT'S BEEN REALLY FUN.
IT'S NOT A JOB FOR ME.
I ENJOY IT EVERY DAY.
THANK YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:47:24AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
I WANTED TO, FOR TAVY, DO YOU HAVE ANY FAMILY HERE?
THAT'S FINE.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU DID.
AND FOR ERIC, I WON'T SAY A LOT BECAUSE I'LL GET EMOTIONAL.
I'M LATIN, MAN.
I KNOW HOW TO GET EMOTIONAL.
THIS IS A GREAT PROGRAM.
I'LL BE MAKING SOME MOTIONS BEFORE I LEAVE HERE AT COUNCIL
FOR A COUPLE OF THINGS, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE GOT IS GREAT.
WHAT YOU ALL SEE HERE WITH THESE TWO PEOPLE, WE CAN

REPLICATE THIS TIMES 20 AND WE SHOULD AND WE WILL.
I'VE GOT TWO MORE YEARS LEFT ON COUNCIL AND I'LL BE DAMNED
IF WE DON'T DO THAT BEFORE I LEAVE.
IT WILL HAPPEN.
PARDON MY LANGUAGE.
IT WILL HAPPEN.
I'LL BE MOTIONING FOR A COUPLE OF THINGS TO LOOK AT THIS
PROGRAM, HOW IT'S BEING DONE, ESPECIALLY WITH OTHER
DEPARTMENTS.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT POLICE, FIRE, EVERY SINGLE
DEPARTMENT OUT THERE HIRES FOLKS LIKE YOU ALL TO GIVE THEM A
SHOT, TO GIVE YOU ALL A SHOT.
WHAT WE SAW HERE IS REALLY, REALLY BEAUTIFUL.
I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE APPROPRIATED A LOT OF MONEY
TOWARDS THIS.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SPEND EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR.
BECAUSE WHAT YOU ALL TALK ABOUT HERE IS BEAUTIFUL.
I'LL ALSO MOTION THAT THIS YEAR, IF WE DON'T SPEND EVERY
SINGLE DOLLAR, REMAINING FUNDS GO TO McDONALD'S TRAINING
CENTER AND -- MAKE SURE THAT MONEY GOES TO PROMOTING WHAT WE
SAW HERE TODAY.
I WANTED TO THANK YOU ALL, JUST EVERYBODY, RAQUEL, REGINA,
SHAWN, OUR FRIENDS OF THE McDONALD TRAINING CENTER, MAYOR
JANE CASTOR, JOHN BENNETT, WHO IS ABOUT AS BIG OF A BLEEDING
HEART AS THEY COME FOR THIS.

WE'LL TAKE THIS BEAUTY THAT WE'VE SEEN HERE TODAY AND MAKE
IT EVEN BIGGER.
GOD BLESS YOU, GUYS AND THANK YOU, COUNCIL FOR YOUR STRONG
SUPPORT.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:49:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE HAVE ONE REGISTERED SPEAKER.
IT'S MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
MR. RANDOLPH, IF YOU ARE ON, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:49:41AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
I'M WITH THE WEST TAMPA CDC.
I WANT TO START OFF BY GIVING A SHOUT-OUT TO THE DISABLED
STUDENTS INTERNSHIP PROGRAM.
COME OVER TO WEST TAMPA.
WE HAVE SOMETHING FOR YOU.
AT THE LAST CRA MEETING, BECAUSE OF TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES
ON MY PART, I WAS NOT ABLE TO EXPLAIN OUR POSITION
SUPPORTING THE $10 MILLION DEAL RELATED TO THE WEST TAMPA
RIVER PROJECT.
THE BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITY WAS ACKNOWLEDGED WHAT WASN'T
ACKNOWLEDGED THE BENEFITS TO THE RESIDENTS IN WEST TAMPA.
WEST TAMPA CDC DEVELOPED A PEOPLE-CENTERED APPROACH FOR

TRANSFORMING THE COMMUNITY.
WE USE A TWO-PRONG TEST IN THAT PARTICULAR RESPECT.
PART OF THE TEST IS DOES IT REDUCE GENTRIFICATION?
THE OTHER PART OF THE TEST IS DOES IT BUILD GENERATIONAL
WEALTH?
WE USE TIE, T-I-E, TECHNOLOGY USING ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE,
CHATGPT TO INCREASE RESIDENT VALUE, INVESTMENT, MOVING
RESIDENTS FROM A CONSUMER PERSPECTIVE TO -- FINALLY,
ENTREPRENEURSHIP, CREATING WHAT WE CALL HOME-BASE
BUSINESSES.
IF THE CURRENT PROJECT ALIGNS WITH THE ROME YARD PROJECT, IT
WILL GO BEYOND BRICKS AND MORTAR, AND IT WILL BE A WIN-WIN
FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AS YOU KNOW, THE ROME YARD DEAL COMMITTED RESOURCES TO
HOME-BASED BUSINESS WHICH CREATE ANYWHERE FROM 20 TO 35
RESIDENTIAL BUSINESSES AND CREATE ANYWHERE FROM 15 TO 20
RESIDENT OWNED BUSINESSES.
ALSO, OUR TECHNOLOGY CENTER, WHICH WILL FOCUS ON ChatGPT.
THE FIRST BENEFIT TO THE CITY IS IT WOULD INCREASE THE TAX
BASE BECAUSE OF NEW BUSINESSES COMING TO WEST TAMPA.
IT WOULD ENHANCE THE RETURN OF INVESTMENT ON THIS $10
MILLION BY PROVIDING ANYWHERE FROM 500,000 TO A MILLION IN
TERMS OF JOB CREATION AND BUSINESS.
IT WOULD BOOST INCOME AND SUPPLEMENTAL INCOME TO LOW-INCOME
RESIDENTS, INCLUDING DISABLED RESIDENTS AS WELL.

ALSO BE PROMOTING RESIDENT OWNED BUSINESSES, INCREASED
TECHNOLOGY BY INCREASING THE ECONOMIC WEALTH OF RESIDENTS
AND WILL REDUCE THE CRIME RATE.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING WITH YOUR DEVELOPERS ON HOW THEY
CONTRIBUTE TO THIS PROGRAMMATIC AND SYSTEMATIC APPROACH TO
MAKING SURE THE RESIDENTS OF WEST TAMPA GET THEIR BENEFIT
FROM THE $10 MILLION WE COMMITTED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:52:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. RANDOLPH.
WE'LL NOW GO TO IN-PERSON PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE FIRST SPEAKER IS BILL OLIVER FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL GRATZ
AND CONNIE BURTON.
GOOD MORNING.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:52:58AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS BILL OLIVER.
I AM A REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN FLORIDA.
LET ME INVOKE THE ELMO, IF I CAN.
I'M HERE APPEARING ON BEHALF OF THE HARBOUR ISLAND COMMUNITY
SERVICE ASSOCIATION TO ADDRESS AGENDA ITEM 61, PROPOSED
CHANGES TO FRANKLIN STREET.
WITH ONLY THREE MINUTES, I'LL FOCUS ON THE KEY CONCERNS.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE THINK YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION THAN
IS PROVIDED IN THE CONSULTANT REPORT BEFORE YOU CHOOSE A
COURSE OF ACTION.

OF PARTICULAR CONCERN TO MY CLIENT IS THE PROPOSED
INSTALLATION OF A NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT WATER STREET.
IN THE REPORT, A SIMPLE STATEMENT IS MADE THAT THE SIGNAL
WOULD RESULT IN DE MINIMIS EFFECTS BUT THERE'S NO
DOCUMENTATION IN THE REPORT AS TO WHAT THE INCREASE IN DELAY
OR OBSTRUCTION WOULD BE.
USING ANALYSIS, FILES AND DATA FROM THE REPORT, MY ANALYSIS
INDICATES THAT THE NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL WOULD IMPOSE FROM 37
TO 67 SECONDS OF DELAY TO EACH VEHICLE ON FRANKLIN STREET
THAT GETS CAUGHT AT THIS NEW SIGNAL.
WHEN THE EVENT FACILITIES ARE NOT ACTIVE, THIS INCURS
UNNECESSARY DELAY.
THIS REPORT -- THE REPORT INDICATES THAT ONLY THE PEDESTRIAN
VOLUME WARRANTS WERE MET AND THAT THEY WERE MET ONLY DURING
CONVENTION CENTER AND AMALIE ARENA EVENTS.
THE USUAL WARRANTS INVOLVING MOTOR VEHICLE TRAFFIC WERE NOT
MET IN ANY OF THE TESTED CONDITIONS.
SO WHILE PEDESTRIAN VOLUME COUNTS WERE UNDERTAKEN AT
EXISTING CROSSING LOCATIONS, THERE'S NO ANALYSIS OF HOW MANY
CROSSINGS ARE GENERATED BY EVENTS OF DIFFERENT SIZES OR
DIFFERENT TYPES.
IS THE EVENT SERVING A LOCAL POPULATION THAT WOULD DRIVE IN
OR DOES IT BRING IN A NATIONAL CROWD THAT USE THE HOTELS?
WILL MEALS BE PROVIDED OR MUST ATTENDEES FIND MEALS AT
NEARBY RESTAURANTS?

ARE THEY DAYLONG EVENTS OR AN EVENING RALLY, CONCERT OR
SPORTING EVENT?
WHERE ARE THESE PEDESTRIANS WALKING FROM AND TO? THIS KIND
OF INFORMATION IS NEEDED TO INFORM SHORT-TERM ROUTING AND
CONTROL STRATEGIES AND LONGER TERM PERHAPS IN LOOKING AT
ELEVATED OR EVEN WEATHER-PROOFED ROOTING STRATEGIES FOR THE
PEDESTRIANS.
FLORIDA D.O.T. POLICY IS TO CONSIDER A ROUNDABOUT BEFORE ANY
NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL IS INSTALLED.
THE CITY OF SARASOTA HAS INSTALLED MANY ROUNDABOUTS AND THAT
IS A SMALL ROUNDABOUT, BUT THEY HAVE IMPLEMENTED MANY OF
THEM IN THEIR DOWNTOWN AREA.
THE SMALLER DIAMETER SHORTENS PEDESTRIAN CROSSING DISTANCES
AND THEY PROVIDE MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR TIME PERIODS WHEN
TRAFFIC VOLUMES ARE LOW OR SHIFT FROM ONE ENTRYWAY TO
ANOTHER AS HAPPENS WITH SPECIAL EVENTS.
A ROUNDABOUT SLOWS VEHICULAR TRAFFIC WHICH IS GOOD FOR
PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED AREA AND CAN ALSO HELP TO RECOVER FROM
BICYCLES AND PEDESTRIAN PAVEMENT NOW DEDICATED TO CARS.
BOTTOM LINE, MORE INFORMATION, MORE STUDY.
9:56:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, SIR.
MICHAEL GRATZ, CONNIE BURTON, MENTESNOT.
9:56:19AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL GRATZ.
I AM THE PRESIDENT OF HARBOUR ISLAND COMMUNITY SERVICE

ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS THE MASTER ASSOCIATION FOR HARBOUR
ISLAND.
I'VE BEEN THAT PRESIDENT FOR MORE THAN TEN YEARS.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEM 61 FOR THE PROPOSED TWO
TRAFFIC LIGHTS ON FRANKLIN STREET NEXT TO THE CONVENTION
CENTER.
THIS WOULD RESULT IN THREE TRAFFIC LIGHTS IN AN 800-FOOT
AREA, THE MAIN ARTERY USED BY HARBOUR ISLAND RESIDENTS.
OUT OF RESPECT FOR CITY COUNCIL'S TIME IT'S JUST BEEN ME AND
OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
WE DIDN'T WANT TO INUNDATE YOU AS WE NORMALLY DO WITH
HUNDREDS OF E-MAILS AND MULTIPLE PEOPLE HERE.
WE WANTED TO GET RIGHT TO THE POINT AND WE THINK WE HAVE
YOUR ATTENTION.
THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT FIRST MADE THIS PRESENTATION
MULTIPLE TIMES TO HARBOUR ISLAND AND DID A SURVEY WHICH THEY
ONLY RECEIVED 35 RESPONSES FROM RESIDENTS.
HIXA DID A SURVEY THIS MONTH, OUT OF 4,000 RESIDENTS, WE HAD
4,000 RESPOND, TOTAL OF 10% OF TOTAL BASE OF THE 3,000
REGISTERED VOTERS, HIGHER NUMBER.
WE ASKED THREE BASIC QUESTIONS PERTAINING TO THE PLAN FOR
THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS.
ONE, DID THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT CONTACT YOU FOR FEEDBACK?
99% WAS NO.
DO YOU BELIEVE TWO TRAFFIC LIGHTS WILL IMPEDE TRAFFIC OFF

AND ON THE ISLAND?
AND IT WAS 99% YES.
THE LAST ONE IS, DO YOU THINK THE CITY OF TAMPA SHOULD
CONDUCT FURTHER ENGINEERING STUDY?
AGAIN, 99% YES.
THREE BASIC QUESTIONS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE USING THIS AREA
MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY.
TYPICAL TRAFFIC IN A WEEK OF OUR WEST GATE, WHICH WOULD BE
THE GATE THAT MOST PEOPLE USE, THE FRANKLIN STREET AND
HARBOUR ISLAND BOULEVARD IS OVER 7900 PEOPLE.
BACK AND FORTH.
AND SO THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT DID A TRAFFIC STUDY.
IT WAS DONE DURING COVID.
I CAN TELL YOU DURING COVID IN THAT AREA, PEOPLE DIDN'T HAVE
TO GO TO WORK AND WEREN'T.
ALSO THE FOUR HOTELS THAT ARE IN THAT AREA, I CAN TELL YOU
FROM BEING IN THE HOTEL BUSINESS, YOUR OCCUPANCY WAS AROUND
10 TO 30%, NOT WHAT IT IS IN THE NORMAL BUSINESS PERIOD THAT
YOU WOULD HAVE TODAY.
SO I THINK THAT THE PERIOD THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE WAS
NOT A GOOD REPRESENTATIVE PERIOD TO DETERMINE WHAT THE
TRAFFIC SHOULD BE IN THAT AREA.
ALSO, THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS THAT WHEN THE STUDY WAS DONE BY
STANTEC THAT THEY HAD TO KEEP THE GRECO CROSSING.
IT'S BEEN THERE 40 YEARS AGO, THERE WERE NO HOTELS, MUCH

LESS HARBOUR ISLAND RESIDENTS.
WE'RE NOT SAYING A SOLUTION IS NOT NEEDED.
WE THINK A SOLUTION IS NEEDED.
YOU'RE TRYING TO INCORPORATE THE CONVENTION CENTER, THE
RIVERWALK, THUNDER ALLEY, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS.
AND DOING THE RIGHT ALTERNATIVE REALLY MAKE IT BETTER FOR
EVERYBODY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THE COUNCILMAN
MISSING.
TAKE CARE.
THANK YOU.
9:59:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE HAVE CONNIE BURTON, MENTESNOT AND MRS. STEPHANIE POYNOR.
9:59:36AM >> GOOD MORNING, CONNIE BURTON.
FIRST, I WOULD SAY TO ALL OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE, PRAYERS
GO OUT TO THEM FOR THEIR ONGOING SUFFERING THAT THEY ARE
ENDURING AS WELL.
ITEM 4, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN AS TO TRAINING THAT THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT WILL BE GIVING TO MEMBERS OF THE HOUSING
AUTHORITY.
WHAT WOULD THAT BE?
WE'VE GONE THROUGH BIKING WHILE BLACK.
WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TURNING IN
INFORMATION TO LANDLORDS.

AND I WOULD CAUTION YOU AND PAY ATTENTION TO THAT.
LAST WEEK, I WANT TO BRING THIS UP, AT YOUR CRA MEETING, YOU
HONORED THE PAST IMMEDIATE PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA HEIGHTS
ASSOCIATION, AND HE MADE IT VERY, VERY CLEAR THAT HE HAD
SERVED ON THAT BOARD FOR EIGHT YEARS.
AND I THINK ABOUT THE WAYS IN WHICH THE EAST TAMPA CRA BOARD
HAD TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE AND THE COMMUNITY WAS NO LONGER
ABLE TO BRING FORTH ITS REPRESENTATIVE BECAUSE YOU WANTED US
TO COME UNDER COMPLIANCE OF HOW ALL OTHER CRA BOARDS
OPERATED.
OUR BOARD MEMBERS ARE ONLY ABLE TO SERVE A TWO-YEAR TERM.
ITEM NUMBER 42 AND 43, I KNOW IT'S GOING TO PASS BECAUSE IT
IS THE TENDENCY THAT OTHERS OUTSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY KNOW
WHAT'S BEST FOR US.
YOU'VE BEEN TOLD REPEATEDLY, TIME AND TIME AGAIN THE THINGS
THAT THE BLACK COMMUNITY WANT AND SURE BLACK VOICES SAY THIS
MORNING THIS IS THE BEST DEAL WE CAN GET.
BUT THE VERY RESIDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN LIVING IN THE
COMMUNITY DIDN'T OPT OUT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THE BEST THING
FOR US RIGHT NOW IS RENTAL PROPERTY.
THE BEST THING FOR US WOULD BE FOR THOSE THAT HAVE LIVED IN
THAT COMMUNITY FOR YEARS AND YEARS TO SEE THE CRA INVESTMENT
FUND, THE TIF MONEY, BE APPLIED TO THE COMMUNITY THAT'S
THERE NOW.
NUMBER 42 AND 43, WE HAVE HEARD IT.

WE KNOW THAT PART OF THE PARADE OF PEOPLE THAT'S PART OF
THIS, THE EEOC, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL PROMISED TO
BRING ABOUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF JOBS.
WHEN THEY TALK US, THEY TALK ABOUT CULINARY JOBS AND
TRAINING THAT ANY PERSON COMING OUT OF PRISON, PERSON GO
FROM McDONALD'S, BUS LINE AND SERVICE LINE, THEY CAN GET
THOSE JOBS.
THOSE ARE NOT THE JOBS OR THE TRAINING THAT'S GOING TO
PROVIDE THE TYPE OF INCOME THAT WILL MOVE OUR PEOPLE TO
BECOME ECONOMICALLY SUFFICIENT.
IT IS NOT THE TYPE OF TRAINING THAT WE NEED THAT'S GOING TO
HELP US CREATE GENERATIONAL WEALTH.
YOU TALK ABOUT ALL THESE WONDERFUL PROGRAMS THAT ONCE WORKED
FOR YOU, BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT UTILIZING PROPERTIES INSIDE
OF OUR COMMUNITY TO HELP OUR PEOPLE NOW, YOU CAN'T GET
THERE.
10:02:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
NEXT SPEAKER IS MENTESNOT, MRS. STEPHANIE POYNOR, AND
MR. ERNEST CONEY.
10:03:05AM >> UHURU.
FREEDOM IN SWAHILI.
MENTESNOT MEANING ANYTHING POSSIBLE.
YOU CAN TELL WHEN YOU GET OLDER, WHAT YOU TELL YOUR KIDS OR
GRANDKIDS.
I TELL MY KIDS WHEN YOU GO TO SCHOOL, LEARN EVERYTHING WHITE

FOLKS HAVE TO TEACH YOU.
100% OF IT OTHER THAN THE MATH AND SCIENCE IS 100% FALSE.
YOU HAVE TO LEARN IT TO PASS THAT TEST.
TODAY WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT.
TODAY WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT.
PEOPLE COME UP HERE CRYING ABOUT SOME HOLOCAUST REMINDER,
WHATEVER, WHATEVER, IT'S GARBAGE.
STRAIGHT GARBAGE.
WASN'T 6 MILLION JEWS IN GERMANY, IN EUROPE, AT NO TIME,
PERIOD.
NO SUCH THING.
BASIC WHITE ON WHITE CRIME.
NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS.
WHAT'S GOING ON IN PALESTINE RIGHT NOW AND THESE PEOPLE HAVE
THE GUMPTION TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT LOOK WHAT HAPPENED
OCTOBER 7, THEY ARE THE ONES WHO DID THAT.
NO SUCH THING AS HAMAS.
NO SUCH THING AS HAMAS.
ONLY REVOLUTIONARY ORGANIZATION EVER EXISTED IN THE LAST X
AMOUNT OF YEARS WAS THE BLACK PANTHER PARTY.
AIN'T AS SIMPLE.
WE'VE SEEN WHAT THE FBI AND POLICE DEPARTMENT DID TO THEM.
SEEN WHAT THE FBI AND POLICE DEPARTMENT DID TO MARTIN LUTHER
KING, FRED HAMPTON AND OTHER PEOPLE.
PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

THE OTHER THING IS, NOT ONE JEW WAS KILLED UNDER THOSE
CIRCUMSTANCES.
DON'T LET PEOPLE FOOL YOU WITH THE HISTORY.
AIN'T NO SUCH THING AS A WHITE JEW.
NO SUCH THING AS A WHITE JEW.
NO SUCH THING AS A WHITE CHRISTIAN.
THAT IS A FAKE CHRISTIAN AND A FAKE JEW.
PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
RUN THAT GAME WITH SOMEBODY ELSE.
IT GOES TO SHOW I HAVE NO DISCIPLINE BECAUSE DIDN'T EVEN
COME HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT BUT SEE THE PEOPLE TALKING
THEIR GARBAGE WHILE MURDERING THE PEOPLE IN PALESTINE IN
PLAIN AND BROAD DAYLIGHT.
IT'S OFFENSIVE.
THIS CITY COUNCIL CAN'T PASS A RESOLUTION TO DEAL WITH THE
SITUATION IN PALESTINE, AND THEY ARE BACK TRYING TO DO THE
SAME THING.
SAME THING HITLER THEY SAID DID TO THEM, TRYING TO DO TO US.
PUT BACK THE GREEN TEAM AND POLICE TEAM AND ALL OTHER KIND
OF TEAMS BACK IN HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.
BLACK PEOPLE GOT TO FIGHT FOR THAT ALL OVER AGAIN.
WHAT I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT TODAY IS THAT THEY NEED TO
DEFUND AND ABOLISH CHILD SUPPORT, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
CHILD SUPPORT CAUSES MORE PROBLEMS INSIDE THE BLACK
COMMUNITY THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

MORE PROBLEMS IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
CHILD SUPPORT, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
IT'S EUGENICS PROGRAM AND RUNNING IT ON AFRICAN PEOPLE SINCE
SATURDAY, JANUARY 4, 1975.
IT'S NOT A FAMILY REUNIFICATION PROGRAM.
IT IS EUGENICS PROGRAM.
THIS CITY COUNCIL NEED TO CALL OVER TO THE COURTHOUSE AND
TELL THEM ABOLISH CHILD SUPPORT.
10:06:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
MRS. STEPHANIE POYNOR, ERNEST CONEY, MRS. CHLOE CONEY.
10:06:16AM >> GOOD MORNING, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO TOUCH ON CLARITY AND CONSISTENCY IN
THE AGENDA.
IF I CAN DIG AROUND IN THE AGENDA AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND
WHAT SOMETHING IS AND I HAVE NO CLARITY ON IT, THEN HOW DO
WE EXPECT ANY OF THE OTHER 400,000 PEOPLE BECAUSE I WORK
HARD EVERY SINGLE WEEK READING THE AGENDA.
FOR EXAMPLE, NUMBER 42 AND 43 THIS WEEK, I KNOW WHAT IT IS
NOW, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS WHEN I READ IT BECAUSE IT
WAS VERY UNCLEAR.
THIS SHOULD BE WRITTEN SO THAT ANYBODY WHO PICKS UP AN
AGENDA FOR THE FIRST TIME AT LEAST HAS A CLUE.
IF THEY DIG IN THE FIRST TWO DOCUMENTS, THEY SHOULD HAVE A
BASIC UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
NOBODY SHOULD HAVE A MASTER'S DEGREE OR STUDY THE CITY OF

TAMPA IN ORDER TO READ THESE AGENDAS.
A LOT OF TIMES I HAVE TO GO INTO THE DOCUMENTS BEFORE I CAN
EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
LAST WEEK, WE HAD STREETLIGHT INSTALLATIONS, $700,000.
I WENT THROUGH 6, 7, 8 PAGES OF DOCUMENTATION.
I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT IF WE WERE PAYING FOR LABOR OR PARTS
OR PAYING FOR SERVICE.
THERE'S NO INVOICE IN THERE.
WHERE DID THOSE STREETLIGHTS GO?
WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO BE INSTALLED?
I DON'T KNOW.
I STILL DON'T KNOW.
THE ONE-PAGER HELPED SIGNIFICANTLY.
THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
BUT SOMEBODY IN ONE OF THE DEPARTMENTS, WHEN THEY HAVE
MULTIPLE BIDS ON SOMETHING, THEY PUT IT IN THE ONE PAGER.
I KNOW HOW TO LOOK FOR IT.
I LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY SAVED THROUGH THE BID PROCESS.
MANY TIMES I HAVE TO SEARCH THROUGH 40, 70 PAGES OF
DOCUMENTATION IN ORDER TO FIND OUT WHO BID ON IT, WHETHER
THEY BID ALL THE WAY THROUGH OR NOT BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE
HAVE THREE BIDDERS AND TWO OF THEM ARE NONRESPONSIVE.
I'M NOT REAL SURE WHAT THAT MEANS, WHAT THE DEFINITION OF
NONRESPONSIVE IS.
SOMETIMES THERE ARE FIVE BIDS AND TWO ARE NONRESPONSIVE.

I DON'T KNOW.
BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR.
IT'S GOTTEN WORSE OVER TIME.
NUMBER 32, I'M AMAZED TO SEE THAT CSX IS DOING SOMETHING
SWEET WITH THE CITY, THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY PLAYING NICE.
LET'S KEEP THAT UP BECAUSE WE HAVE A TRAIN TRACK ALL THE WAY
FROM SOUTH COUNTY ALL THE WAY TO MACDILL AIR FORCE BASE.
IF WE CAN GET THESE PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS, OFF OF THE
ROADS, IN THEIR CARS, WE WOULD BE A MUCH NICER CITY.
SPEAKING OF OUR FOLKS ON HARBOUR ISLAND.
I THINK IT WAS FUNNY A TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE.
YOU KNOW WHAT, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A PEDESTRIAN STUDY
BECAUSE WE NEEDED TO LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE CROSSING
THE STREET.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CROSSING THE STREET ON YOUR FEET, NOT
DRIVING IN CARS.
THE FOLKS IN HARBOUR ISLAND ARE THE EXPERTS ON THIS AREA.
I'M SORRY, BUT THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO CLEAN OUT
THEIR EARS AND START LISTENING TO THE EXPERTS IN THAT AREA
AND QUIT IGNORING THEIR PROBLEMS WITH THIS ISSUE.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE MISERABLE
IN ORDER TO MAKE PEOPLE WHO VISIT HAPPY.
10:09:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. CONEY, MRS. CHLOE CONEY, MS. VALERIE BULLOCK.
10:09:28AM >> ERNEST CONEY, JUNIOR.

I'M CEO OF THE CDC OF TAMPA. GLAD TO BE HERE THIS MORNING.
I'M IN SUPPORT OF CONSENT AGENDA 42 AND 43 IN REGARDS TO THE
EAST TAMPA LIVE LEARN DEVELOPMENT.
MY COMMENTS COME ONE AS A VOLUNTEER IN EAST TAMPA SINCE LATE
'80s WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL, DOING DRUG MARCHES,
EMPOWERMENT MARCHES AND HOLDING CANDLELIGHT VIGILS.
MY COMMENTS COME AS A PERSON WHO WORKS EVERY SINGLE DAY TO
HELP IMPROVE THE LIVES OF OUR RESIDENTS IN EAST TAMPA.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD TO RESOLVE IN MY MIND WAS DO
I STAY IN TAMPA?
AS I WAS BUILDING MY CAREER AS ACTUARY WORKING FOR WELL
CARE, I HAD TO THINK ABOUT A JOB OFFER I HAD TO RELOCATE TO
D.C.
WHAT KEPT ME HERE WAS THINKING ABOUT THE LEGACY OF THE WORK
OF MY PARENTS.
OF COURSE, MY DAD CREATED THE FIRST INNER CITY YMCA ON
FLORIDA AND PALM.
I LOOK AT THE KIDS HE SAVED THEIR LIVES AND THEY HAVE
PROFESSIONAL CAREERS IN THE NFL.
I THINK ABOUT MY MOTHER WORKING AT LEE DAVIS NEIGHBORHOOD
SERVICE CENTER AND GREAT WORK SHE DID AT CDC OF TAMPA.
PEOPLE MY AGE ARE NOT MOVING BACK TO EAST TAMPA.
WHY?
THEY THINK ABOUT THE '80s AND '90s WHEN THEY FELT
TERRORIZED, WHEN THEY FELT LIKE NO OPPORTUNITIES TO GROWTH,

EVEN START A BUSINESS IN EAST TAMPA.
THEY ARE NOT COMING BACK.
HOW DO WE CHANGE THIS?
HOW DO WE FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE THIS?
WE HAVE TO INVEST IN OUR COMMUNITY.
THIS PROJECT DELIVERS ON A PROMISE, A BROKEN PROMISE AND
DEFERRED DREAMS.
THE BROKEN PROMISE WAS EAST TAMPA HAS A COMMUNITY CALLED
COLLEGE HILL.
THE GOAL WAS TO ATTRACT BLACK RESIDENTS TO MOVE TO EAST
TAMPA.
THE PROMISE WAS IF YOU MOVE TO EAST TAMPA, WE WILL BUILD A
COLLEGE.
THAT WAS A BROKEN DREAM THAT NEVER MATERIALIZED.
TODAY WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH
FLORIDA, HCC AND THE CDC OF TAMPA'S VOCATIONAL PROGRAM,
TAMPA VOCATIONAL INSTITUTE TO HELP PROVIDE EDUCATIONAL
OPPORTUNITIES AND TRAINING FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE FAB LAB THAT WE ALSO HAVE, WE HAVE
ENTREPRENEURS WHO MAY NEED TO LEARN MANUFACTURING TRAINING.
MAY NEED TO EDUCATE YOUNG PEOPLE ON THESE JOBS.
HOW DO WE BEGIN TO ATTRACT KIDS FROM MIDDLETON HIGH SCHOOL
IN ENGINEERING AND THEN PLACE THEM INTO EMPLOYMENT CENTERS.
THIS WILL BE THE BEGINNING OF A TRAJECTORY OF HOW DO WE
BUILD SMART MANUFACTURING DISTRICTS IN EAST TAMPA?

WE HAVE TO BUILD EMPLOYMENT CENTERS, INDUSTRY CENTERS, AND
THE CHALLENGE WAS TO BRING THE CDC AND USF TO EAST TAMPA.
10:12:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
MS. CHLOE CONEY, VALERIE BULLOCK AND ROBIN LOCKETT.
10:12:15AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
I AM A WOMAN THAT WEAR MANY HATS.
MANY OF YOU KNOW THAT I WAS FOUNDER AND FIRST PRESIDENT OF
CDC OF TAMPA, AND THEY CELEBRATING THIS YEAR 33 YEARS THERE.
I'M ALSO ONE OF THE FOUNDING MEMBERS OF EAST TAMPA CRA
BOARD.
CHLOE CONEY.
I LIKE TO SAY THAT WE HAVE RESIDENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY, SAM
CANON, VAN BEST, DIANNE HART, BETTY WIGGINS AND MYSELF AND
OTHERS UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF THOMAS SCOTT.
WE HAD TO FIGHT FOR THE EAST TAMPA PARTNERSHIP.
WE KNOW GOOD AND WELL THAT MANY YEARS WE'VE BEEN NEGLECTED.
WE WERE AN AFTERTHOUGHT.
THAT'S THE REASON WE'RE STANDING HERE TODAY BECAUSE WE HAVE
RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES THAT VALUE EAST TAMPA.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK CRAIG RICHARDS WITH THE TAMPA BAY
ECONOMIC COUNCIL FOR PARTNERING WITH THE CDC AND THE EAST
TAMPA CRA.
TOO MANY TIMES I FOUND OUT THAT BUSINESSES COME INTO EAST
TAMPA AND WANT TO DO IT FOR US BUT NEVER WITH US.
NEVER HAVING ORGANIZATIONS THAT WORK THERE, NOT PARACHUTED

INTO THAT COMMUNITY.
EAST TAMPA BEEN THERE 33 YEARS, WORKED WITH US TO CREATE
GENERATIONAL WEALTH FOR OUR RESIDENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
I COMMEND THEM FOR THAT.
JUST LIKE A LITTLE HISTORY YOU DID WITH THE HOLOCAUST, I
NEED TO BE HERE, I'LL BE 75 THIS YEAR IF THE LORD WILLING
AND WORKING IN EAST TAMPA THE LAST 50 YEARS, TO SAY THAT THE
CDC WAS THE FIRST ORGANIZATION ALONG WITH BANK OF AMERICA
AND -- TO BUILD THE FIRST APARTMENTS.
WE BUILD SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES THERE.
WE NOT ONLY DID DRUG MARCHES AND CLEANUP BUT WE WENT AND
BUILT THE LAUNDROMAT.
WE BUILT A YOUTH CENTER AND SENT A THOUSAND KIDS OFF TO
COLLEGE.
CDC OWNS ON MARTIN LUTHER KING, THE EAST TAMPA BUSINESS
CENTER WHERE I GO AND GET MY NAILS DONE AT PERFECT TEN.
WE OWN BECAUSE WE TORE DOWN THAT OLD RUMORS AND WILD CHERRY,
THE STRIP CLUB ON HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE.
TODAY I STAND TO PROUDLY SAY THE NAME CHLOE CONEY URBAN
ENTERPRISE CENTER.
WE OWN THE BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET THAT BANK OF AMERICA
GAVE US AND SOLD IT TO SUNCOAST TO BRING IN MORE FINANCIAL
INSTITUTIONS TO OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE HAVE NOTHING BUT
PAY DAY LENDING.
TODAY I WANT TO SAY I SUPPORT AGENDA 42 AND 43 BECAUSE WE

NEED AN ECONOMIC ENGINE IN EAST TAMPA.
WE NEED A PLACE THAT WE CAN SAY THAT RESIDENTS CAN LIVE AS
THEY BUILD HOMES THERE, CREATE BUSINESSES THERE AND CREATE
WEALTH THERE.
I'M SO GLAD THE CDC IS A PART OF THAT.
AGAIN, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
I WANT TO SEE SOME OF THIS WHILE I AM YET ALIVE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO THE COUNCIL.
GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
10:15:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MS. VALERIE BULLOCK, MS. ROBIN LOCKETT --
10:15:22AM >> GOOD MORNING, VALERIE BULLOCK FROM EAST TAMPA.
I COME FROM A LONG LINE OF POOR FOLKS THAT BELIEVE IN
EDUCATION AND TRAINING TO GET YOUR LIFE TOGETHER AND BE PART
OF THE ECONOMIC SYSTEM.
I'M ALSO CONNECTED TO THE POOR PEOPLE, THE HOMELESS PEOPLE,
THE ONES ON DRUGS, ONES WHO HAVE BEEN TO PRISON AND THE
LITTLE GIRL IN EAST TAMPA THAT'S GETTING MOLESTED TODAY,
THAT'S WHO I'M CONNECTED TO.
YOU ALL DID A GOOD JOB MILLION DOLLARS.
THANK YOU ALL SO VERY MUCH.
MY NIECE AND FOUR KIDS LIVING IN MY HOUSE.
ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, THEY GOT ACCEPTED INTO THE
PROGRAM.
KUDOS.

AND WHEN ARE WE GOING TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE JACKSON HOUSE?
I'M GETTING SO TIRED OF EXTENDING THE PAPER WORK?
WHEN IS THE BUILD, REMODELING AND RESTORATION COMING?
ITEM NUMBER 41, MS. NOREEN MILLER, SHE DIED TRYING TO GET
SIDEWALKS FOR EAST TAMPA.
NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN HANNA STREET GOING TO GET SIDEWALKS, SO
WE NEVER HAVE SIDEWALKS IN EAST TAMPA.
42 AND 43, I'M TOTALLY AGAINST THIS PROJECT.
HOW MUCH TRAINING DO WE NEED?
WHEN IS WE GOING TO GET A PAYCHECK?
WE DO NEED AN ECONOMIC ENGINE IN EAST TAMPA.
SO PEOPLE CAN GET A JOB AND BE ABLE TO GO UP AND CONTINUE TO
STAY IN EAST TAMPA.
WAS THERE A WORKSHOP DONE?
WAS THERE ANY COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT?
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE ON FOOD STAMPS AND WELFARE AND
FOUR GENERATIONS LIVING IN THEIR HOUSE.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ALREADY GOT MONEY.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THESE OUTSIDE PEOPLE.
I'M TALKING ABOUT WAS THERE ANY COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT DONE?
DID WE GET PUBLIC NOTICE?
NO, WE DID NOT.
AND WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER TRAINING CENTER.
WHY?
WE GOT ERWIN.

CDT, TAMPA VOCATIONAL INSTITUTE, LESS THAN A MILE FROM THIS
SITE RIGHT HERE.
HOW MUCH TRAINING DO WE NEED?
WE ALSO HAVE CAREER-SOURCE, SKILLS CENTER.
EVERY TIME SOMEBODY COME IN TOWN, THEY REALLY SEE TAMPA AS
DUMB COUNTRY BUMPKINS.
WE COME IN HERE AND GET THIS MONEY.
GOUGE THEM FOR ALL WE CAN GOUGE THEM AND TAKE THE MONEY AND
RUN.
THEY NEVER DELIVER ON THEIR PRODUCTS OR ON THEIR PROMISES.
NOW, EAST TAMPA -- THE GPD, IT GROWN BY 4.3%.
$198 BILLION RIGHT NOW IN IT.
HOW MUCH WAS THAT MONEY USED TO PROVIDE TRAINING OF ENTRY
LEVEL JOBS FOR THE PEOPLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD?
HOW MUCH WAS SPENT ON INCENTIVES TO GET THEM TO COME?
IF THEY LIKE IT SO MUCH, THEY OUGHT TO COME FOR FREE.
10:18:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
MS. ROBIN LOCKETT, CHRIS KIRSHNER, STEVE MICHELINI.
GOOD MORNING, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:18:39AM >> GOOD MORNING.
ROBIN LOCKETT, FLORIDA RISING.
I AM HERE TO SPEAK ON SEVERAL ITEMS, ACTUALLY.
THE FIRST ITEM IS AN IMPORTANT ITEM FOR ME.
AND THAT IS THE YELLOW JACKETS PARK.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY IN REGARDS TO YELLOW JACKETS FOR US

TO DO SOMETHING ON IT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON WAS ATTEMPTING TO
PUT IT UNDER CBA, THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT OR WORK
SOMETHING OUT WITH THAT.
THERE IS A CULTURE CENTER IN WEST TAMPA, GWEN MYERS,
COMMISSIONER GWEN MYERS IS BUILDING.
SHE HAS FULL FUNDING ON IT OR MOST OF HER FUNDING.
FEDERAL FUNDING, SHE'S RAISING MONEY.
THIS CULTURE CENTER OR WHATEVER IT IS CALLED, MAY BE CALLED
AN AFRICAN AMERICAN CENTER, THE NAME MAY CHANGE, THAT'S
UNDER THE ROME YARD PROJECT, WE DON'T NEED TWO OF THE SAME
THINGS, JUST LIKE TWO CHURCHES ON THE SAME STREET WITH
DIFFERENT RELIGIONS.
WE DON'T NEED BOTH OF THEM.
THE MONEY YOU'RE HAVING SET ASIDE FOR THE ROME YARD PROJECT,
THAT MONEY CAN BE PUT TO MAKE DO OR MAKE THE REALITY OF THAT
PROMISE THAT THE CITY MADE TO COACH WRIGHT AND THE YELLOW
JACKETS TO MAKE THEM WHOLE.
THAT PARK NEEDS TO BE FIXED.
THAT PARK NEEDS TO BE JUST FIXED, RIGHT?
THEY NEED A BUILDING.
YOU HAVE COACH WRIGHT -- I CAN'T THINK OF IT, BUT IT'S NOT
RIGHT.
LEFT A BUILDING WITH A CONCESSION STAND FROM THE ONE THAT
WAS IN WEST TAMPA AND WE NEED TO MAKE HIM WHOLE.

SO YOU HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO RENEGOTIATE THAT.
I AM IN SUPPORT OF 42 AND 43.
I SAW THE BAY NEWS 9 STORY THIS MORNING.
SOMEBODY SENT IT TO ME.
I HAVE TO SAY THAT THE COLUMBUS DRIVE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT IS
EXACTLY THE TYPE OF INVESTMENT EAST TAMPA NEEDS.
THIS IS THE KIND OF FORWARD THINKING DEVELOPMENT WE'VE BEEN
ASKING FOR, THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN ASKING FOR.
AGAIN, AS LONG AS IT HAS HOUSING, I AM FOR IT.
IF YOU ARE INCLUDING A TRAINING, THAT'S JUST ICING ON THE
CAKE.
ALL OF THE OTHER FACILITIES THAT OFFER TRAINING MAY NOT
OFFER THIS TYPE OF TRAINING.
SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT ALSO.
SO ANYTHING THAT'S DEALING WITH HOUSING, IF IT'S COMING WITH
HOUSING, I AM 100% FOR IT.
THANK YOU.
10:21:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. CHRIS KIRSHNER, STEVE MICHELINI, PASTOR FRANK WILLIAMS.
10:21:40AM >> CHRIS KIRSHNER, LONGTIME RESIDENT AND BUSINESS OWNER HERE
IN THE GREAT CITY OF TAMPA.
I JUST WANTED TO COME AND SPEAK ON BEHALF OF ITEM 42 AND 43.
SO MANY POSITIVES WITH THIS PROJECT, I DON'T NEED TO BELABOR
ALL THE WONDERFUL ATTRIBUTES ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

I DID WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY AS WELL TO COMMEND THE
LEADERSHIP WE HAVE IN THIS CITY, IN ADDITION TO THE COUNCIL
AND THE MAYOR'S STAFF, THE EDC, FOR PROFIT, NOT-FOR-PROFIT
ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE COME TOGETHER TO MAKE THIS A
REALITY, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME.
A LOT OF EFFORT ON THE PART OF A LOT OF PEOPLE, CITY STAFF
HAVE STEPPED UP TO FACILITATE.
IT IS A SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL INVESTMENT FOR THE DEVELOPERS
THAT ARE INVOLVED.
I'M JUST PROUD TO SEE IT AND PROUD OF OUR COMMUNITY AND
EVERYTHING THEY HAVE DONE TO MAKE THIS PROJECT HAPPEN.
THANK YOU.
10:22:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
MR. MICHELINI IS PASSING ON HIS TIME.
PASTOR FRANK WILLIAMS, YOU ARE THE LAST SPEAKER TODAY.
PASTOR WILLIAMS, COME ON UP.
10:23:10AM >> THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
10:23:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, SIR, FOR THE
RECORD.
YOUR NAME, SIR, FOR THE RECORD.
10:23:21AM >> FRANK WILLIAMS.
I THOUGHT YOU JUST CALLED MY NAME.
10:23:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I KNOW, BUT FOR THE RECORD.
GO AHEAD, SIR.
10:23:28AM >> YEAH.

I PASSED OUT SOME LETTERS LAST WEEK, AND I WONDER IF I WOULD
GET A RESPONSE.
I TOLD WHOEVER PASSED THEM OUT TO PASS ONE OUT TO EACH ONE
OF THE CHAMBER MEMBERS, BUT I DON'T SEEM TO GET NO RESPONSE
WHATSOEVER.
YOU KNOW WHAT?
WE GOT TO UNDERSTAND, PEOPLE THAT SAY THEY WANT TO HELP YOU,
THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT.
90 DAYS OF BANK STATEMENTS, PROOF OF AWARD LETTER.
WHAT'S ALL THAT ABOUT?
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
THE ONLY THING I CAN SHOW THEM HOW POOR I AM AND LOOK LIKE
YOU ALL OUGHT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
ONE THING WE GOT TO UNDERSTAND, WE NEED WOMEN AND MEN COME
UP HERE AND SPEAK.
SPEAK ON BEHALF OF ALL PEOPLE OF COLOR, BUT YOU ALL DON'T
SEEM TO WANT TO HEAR.
DON'T HEAR NOTHING WE BE SAYING.
WE'RE JUST TALKING TO A WALL.
ONE THING YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND, WE'LL KEEP COMING AND YOU
ALL HAVE TO KEEP LISTENING.
DON'T WANT TO LISTEN, GET UP AND WALK OUT LIKE YOU USED TO
DO A LONG TIME AGO.
I WOULD BE HAPPY, WE'VE GOT TO UNDERSTAND, WE ARE PEOPLE AND
WE ARE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

AND WE CAN'T BE NO CLOSER THAN THAT.
YOU SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE BROTHERS AND SISTERS, BUT BROTHERS
AND SISTERS, THAT IS TREATING US LIKE WE ARE LESS THAN DOGS.
WE KNOW THAT WE GOT TO DO WHAT WE CAN FOR OURSELVES AND OUR
CHILDREN, OUR MOTHERS AND OUR FATHERS, WHOEVER LIVING AND DO
THE BEST WE CAN.
I WOULD LIKE TO GET A REPLY WHAT YOU'LL DO ABOUT THE PEOPLE
COMING AROUND WANTING TO STEAL MY HOME.
PLEASE, YOU ALL CAN DO SOMETHING.
YOU ARE CITY COUNCIL, AIN'T YOU?
DO THE RIGHT THING FOR ALL OF US.
I HAVE A LOT OF THINGS.
I WANTED TO SING A SONG TO ONE OF MY BROTHERS THAT TOLD ME
HE WANTED TO HEAR ME SING.
THERE'S NO TIME FOR NO SINGING NOW.
IT'S TIME FOR JUSTIFICATION.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO STAND UP FOR.
BUT WE KNOW THAT YOU ALL DON'T CARE ABOUT US.
WHO CAN WE GO?
CAN WE GO DOWN TO THE COUNTY AND PROBABLY GET SOME -- JUST
LIKE THE LADY SPOKE ABOUT, THE JACKSON HOUSE, STILL STANDING
RIGHT THERE.
HOUSE TORE DOWN A LONG TIME AGO BUT NOBODY TEAR.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO TEAR IT DOWN.
WE DIDN'T BUILD IT UP.

YOU ALL GOT TO START TO TEAR THAT THING DOWN NOW, NOT WAIT
UNTIL TOMORROW.
NOT GIVE US FALSE PROMISES.
TEAR THAT THING DOWN.
GET RID OF IT.
IN THE NAME OF JESUS, YOU ALL DO THE RIGHT THING FOR ALL OF
US.
10:26:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, SIR.
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE'LL GO TO CONSENT AGENDA.
FIRST IS COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA WITH 4 THROUGH 8, PUBLIC
SAFETY.
10:26:49AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOVE 4-8.
10:26:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
SECOND FROM MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
10:26:56AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I MOVE ITEMS 9 THROUGH 22, NEIGHBORHOOD
AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS COMMITTEE.
10:27:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?

COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, 23 THROUGH 32.
10:27:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
I MOVE ITEMS 23 THROUGH 32.
10:27:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
HURTAK, SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
YES, MA'AM.
10:27:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I ACTUALLY WANT TO JUST MENTION A COUPLE OF
THINGS ABOUT 42 AND 43 BEFORE YOU APPROVE THEM.
BECAUSE WE HAD THE CONVERSATION IN THE CRA LAST WEEK ABOUT
HOUSING AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THIS WAS $2.1 MILLION THAT
THE CITY USED.
THIS IS NOT CRA FUNDING.
THIS IS CITY USED TO BUY THIS PROPERTY WHICH IS 2.1 ACRES.
AND WITH THAT, THE COST PER UNIT OF 117 UNITS, LESS THAN
$22,000.
LESS THAN $22,000.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING ELSE ATTACHED.
THIS IS SIMPLY THE HOUSING PORTION.
SO I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU ALL WHAT WE CAN DO WITH MONEY.
EVERY TIME HOUSING STUFF COMES UP, I'LL BRING IT OUT BECAUSE
WE NEED TO START TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO WITH MONEY IN

ALL PARTS OF THE CITY.
OBVIOUSLY I'M IN SUPPORT.
10:28:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
10:28:19AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR 43, ALTHOUGH I OBJECT
TO MANY THINGS IN IT.
I ALSO WAS NOT GIVEN A BRIEF ON IT AT ALL.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE NUMBERS YOU MENTIONED ARE TRUE OR NOT.
THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED AT CITY COUNCIL IN DEPTH.
THE RFP SHOULD HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED, WHETHER IT WAS
TRANSPARENT, WHO THE OTHER BIDDERS WERE, ALL OF THAT.
SURE WE CAN ASK QUIETLY, BUT THE PUBLIC HAS CONCERNS ABOUT
HOW CONTRACTS ARE LET.
SOMETIMES WHEN THE CITY IS INVOLVED IN THINGS, COSTS DO NOT
APPEAR.
THEY DON'T LIKE INCLUDING O AND M COSTS OR INTEREST.
ALSO, I DID NOT SEE IN THE DOCUMENTS WHAT THE VALUE OF THE
LAND WAS THAT WE'RE LEASING AT A DOLLAR A YEAR.
I'LL VOTE FOR IT ANYWAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE NUMBERS WERE TRUE.
I WANT SOMEBODY TO PRESENT IT ALL IN.
I THINK THE ADMINISTRATION NEEDS TO BE A LOT MORE
TRANSPARENT ON THESE THINGS GOING FORWARD.
WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE LIKE SOMEONE SAID IN THE COMMUNITY
THAT WE'RE CONNECTING THE PUBLIC.
ALSO 36, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS.

WE HAVE THE JACKSON HOUSE COMING BACK.
I'M NOT CONVINCED YET THAT THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD OR THEY
HAVE PLANS TO DO ANYTHING.
SOME FOLKS MENTIONED THAT IN THE COMMUNITY.
I CAN VOTE FOR THIS.
AGAIN, I'M CONSIDERING HOW MUCH CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN
INVOLVED AND HOW MUCH I'VE BEEN INVOLVED FOR THE LAST 13
YEARS, I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT NO ONE IN THE ADMINISTRATION
REACHED OUT TO GIVE ME A HEADS-UP ON THIS.
I WOULD ASK THE ADMINISTRATION TO BE MORE TRANSPARENT TO ME
AND TO THE PUBLIC ON THESE MATTERS.
10:29:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, DID YOU WANT
TO SPEAK?
10:29:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
I AGREE WITH YOU, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ON ITEM 36 AND THE
JACKSON HOUSE.
I STILL THINK THERE'S WAY TOO MUCH DRAGGING FEET ON THIS.
SOMETIMES IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK, IT IS A DUCK.
SOMETHING HAS GOT TO BE DONE.
ON THE ISSUE OF 42 AND 43, I CONCUR WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK ON THIS.
THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT.
IT'S A GREAT BALANCE.
IT PROVIDES A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
PROVIDES A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE

RETURN ON THE INVESTMENT, THE COST FOR THE INVESTMENT IS
CLEARLY A BARGAIN FOR US.
GREAT IDEA FOR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE EDC, THE COMMUNITY, THE
CITY OF TAMPA.
IT IS A FOUNDATIONALLY A GOOD PROJECT FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT IT.
10:30:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I FORGOT ONE THING.
HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE UNITS WILL BE 80% AND BELOW WITH SOME
-- WITH QUITE A FEW SET ASIDE FOR 50% AND BELOW.
THIS IS A FULLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
10:30:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
10:30:55AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU, CHAIR.
ITEM 36, THE JACKSON HOUSE, WHILE I FULLY UNDERSTAND THE
PUBLIC'S CONCERNS ABOUT THE JACKSON HOUSE, I JUST WANT TO GO
ON RECORD THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA DOES NOT OWN THIS PROPERTY.
IT IS OWNED BY THE FOUNDATION.
WE DO WANT TO SUPPORT THE EFFORTS OF GETTING IT DONE BUT WE
ARE NOT IN CHARGE OF THAT AT THIS MOMENT.
I WANTED TO SAY THAT PUBLICLY BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE COMING
BEFORE US.
I DON'T WANT THEM TO THINK IT IS US HOLDING IT UP.
WE DO NEED TO GET SOME CLARITY FROM THE FOUNDATION ON THE
STATUS OF WHY THE PROJECT HAS NOT STARTED BECAUSE THE
FUNDING DOES EXIST.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT ON THE RECORD.

42 AND 43 IS IN MY DISTRICT.
I MET WITH THE EDC VERY EARLY ON AS A NEW MEMBER OF CITY
COUNCIL AND CONTINUE TO MEET WITH THEM AND HAVE THE
DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
THE HOUSING PORTION THAT WE'RE VOTING ON TODAY IS A GREAT
PROJECT AND ALSO I JUST WANT TO SAY THE OPPORTUNITY IN TERMS
OF CULINARY IS NOT THE ONLY THING.
IT IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET STARTED AND SEEK THOSE WAYS
THAT MANUFACTURING, TRAINING PROGRAMS CAN COME INTO THAT
FACILITY.
YOU HAVE TO GET STARTED.
WE CAN'T HAVE EVERYTHING UP FRONT, BUT IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY
THERE FOR US TO BUILD MEANINGFUL, SKILLED, HIGH SKILLED
TRAINING PROGRAMS IN THAT FACILITY AND AT THE SAME TIME
WE'RE PROVIDING HOUSING.
THE EDC, THIS IS THEIR FIRST CRACK AT IT AND I WANT TO
COMMEND THEM ON MAKING THIS EFFORT AND INVESTING IN EAST
TAMPA IN THIS WAY.
10:32:38AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THIS IS A RARE TIME THAT I AGREE WITH
FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS.
[ LAUGHTER ]
WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY HERE, WHEN THINGS COME AROUND THAT
LOOK TOO GOOD, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THEM A LITTLE
DEEPER.
THIS PROJECT IS GOOD.

I DON'T COME FROM THIS LOCATION BUT COME FROM CLOSE TO IT.
I CAN TELL YOU, YOU HAVE TO GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY, A
HAND UP INSTEAD OF A PUSH DOWN TO KEEP MOVING.
NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO IN LIFE.
IT'S INCUMBENT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY.
INCUMBENT ON THEM TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY, NO
MATTER WHAT IT IS OR WHAT JOB IT IS, TO BE THE BEST YOU CAN
BE TO MOVE UP THE LADDER, NOT DOWN THE LADDER.
I AGREE WITH 42 AND 43 AND THE OTHER ONE THAT THEY BROUGHT
UP, ITEM 36.
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON SAID THIS IS SOMEONE ELSE OTHER THAN
US, HOWEVER WE ARE THE RUDDER OF THE SHIP AND STARING IN THE
RIGHT DIRECTION.
I IMAGINE IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS YOU'LL SEE MOVEMENT.
SPECULATION THAT THIS HOUSE WILL BE STARTED TO BE REBUILT
WITH SOME OF THE LUMBER ON THE PROPERTY NOW.
IT WILL BE A HYBRID OF WHAT IT WAS.
I'M TAKING A SHOT IN THE DARK LIKE I SAID EARLIER.
THANK YOU ALL FOR UNDERSTANDING.
10:34:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
BEFORE WE VOTE, 42 AND 43 I'M IN ABSOLUTE SUPPORT.
IN THE LAST CAMPAIGN, WHICH IS NOW TWO YEARS AGO, IT WAS ALL
ABOUT HOUSING.
THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF COST-EFFECTIVE INVESTMENTS FOR
BUILDING HOUSING AT THE 80%, SOME WERE EVEN 50%.

IT'S CHIPPING AWAY AT THAT GOAL.
I'M IN SUPPORT OF IT.
I THINK IT IS A WONDERFUL START.
IT'S A WONDERFUL PROJECT.
ITEM 36 WITH THE JACKSON HOUSE, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN VISITING
THAT PROPERTY FOR OVER TEN YEARS.
I'VE BEEN PHOTOGRAPHING IT, WATCHING IT IN DECLINE.
IF YOU LOOK AT MY PHOTOS FROM 2014 TO NOW IT'S NIGHT AND
DAY.
I TOURED THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE IN 2020.
I HAVE PHOTOS WHICH I'M HAPPY TO SHOW.
I WOULDN'T EVEN WALK IN IT TODAY BECAUSE IT'S DECLINED SO
MUCH.
AS COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA SAID, IN RESTORING THAT HOUSE,
IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU DO A FRAME RESTORATION ON A CLASSIC CAR,
YOU PULL IT APART, THAT HOUSE WILL BE PULLED APART.
YOU'LL BE SHORING UP THE FOUNDATION AND THE BASIC
INFRASTRUCTURE AND USING A LOT OF THE ORIGINAL WOOD.
IT'S WOOD AND THIS IS A TROPICAL CLIMATE, AND IT WILL GET
RESTORED.
UNFORTUNATELY OVER THE YEARS, SO MANY ROADBLOCKS BECAUSE I
BROUGHT IT UP WITH PAST LEADERS AND CURRENT LEADERS, I DON'T
KNOW WHY.
CENTRAL AVENUE WAS DEMOLISHED 50 YEARS AGO.
SO MUCH OF THE HISTORY IS LOST.

MY WIFE, WHO IS STUDYING TO GET HER MASTERS, ACTUALLY, I
THINK -- SHE TOLD ME SHE DID A REPORT OR ASSIGNMENT AND IT
WAS ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
SHE WAS SO FASCINATED BY IT.
SHE GOES, WHAT CAN WE SEE WITH IT?
I CAN SHOW YOU THE JACKSON HOUSE, LONGSHOREMEN'S BUILDING,
COUPLE OF RESIDENTIAL HOMES, A CHURCH RESTORED BUT I GO
IMAGINE DEMOLISHING YBOR CITY, AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
THE JACKSON HOUSE IS SO SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE OF ITS HISTORY.
PEOPLE THAT STAYED THERE.
IT'S ONE OF THE LAST REMNANTS OF A BYGONE ERA THAT NEEDS TO
BE PROTECTED.
I THINK WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, I AGREE WITH YOU.
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
10:36:18AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION BUT I WANT TO ADD ONE
MORE THING, STARTING FOUR TO FIVE YEARS AGO, I STARTED
PRESENTING TAMPA SCORECARD, TAMPA SCORECARD.COM AND
SOMETHING I WORKED OUT WITH THE USF ECONOMISTS AND OTHERS.
WHAT IT SHOWED, ESPECIALLY IN THE LAST ADMINISTRATION, THE
MIDDLE CLASS IN TAMPA MOSTLY SHRANK.
THE DISPARITIES BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN AND BLACKS AND WHITES
GOT WORSE.
THE HOME OWNERSHIP RATE WAS TERRIBLE, AND WE NEEDED TO TURN
THAT AROUND.

AT THE TIME, THE EDC WAS MOSTLY FOCUSED ON RECRUITING
COMPANIES FROM OUT OF MARKET.
SINCE THAT TIME, THE EDC SPENT SEVERAL YEARS WORKING ON TRY
TO DEVELOP A PROGRAM IN EAST TAMPA AND WORKED WITH HCC AND
USF AND OTHERS.
I'VE HAD LONG CONVERSATIONS WITH CRAIG RICHARDS, TONY BROWN,
SOME OF THE LEADERSHIP OF THE EDC AND ALSO NICOLE AND ALIS
WHEN THEY WERE HERE.
I DON'T OBJECT TO THE PROJECT ITSELF.
I OBJECT TO THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY WITHIN THE CITY.
PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE GUTS OF THE ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT LEFT.
STILL WE NEED TO GIVE MORE TRANSPARENCY FOR THIS KIND OF
THING FOR THE CITY.
I WISH THE EDC THE BEST.
I HOPE THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL IN THIS AND THAT IT IS
TRANSFORMATIVE.
WITH THAT I MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE ITEMS 33 THROUGH 42,
INCLUDING THE SUBSTITUTE ON 42.
10:37:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THROUGH 43.
10:37:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SUBSTITUTE ON 43.
SORRY.
10:37:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
SECOND FROM HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?

AYE.
NEXT UP IS COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, 44 THROUGH 47.
10:37:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I MOVE ITEMS 44 THROUGH 47.
10:37:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ITEM NUMBER 48 IS TO BE SCHEDULED, A PETITION FOR REVIEW FOR
MARCH 27, 2025, 1:30 P.M.
RIGHT HERE, 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD.
MOTION FROM HENDERSON SETTING THE PUBLIC HEARING, PETITION
FOR REVIEW.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
ALL RIGHT.
WE ARE AT 10:38, SO WE CAN OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN THE 10 AND 10:30 HEARINGS?
MOTION FROM HURTAK AND SECOND FROM MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
LEE BELL IS IN THE HOUSE.
REPRESENTING YBOR CITY.
WE HAVE THE ITEMS OPEN.
ITEM NUMBER 49 IS NOT A QUASI-JUDICIAL, BUT THE REST OF THEM

ARE.
IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON ANY PUBLIC HEARING FROM 49
THROUGH 52, PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND WE'LL
SWEAR YOU IN.
[OATH ADMINISTERED]
MR. SHELBY.
10:39:11AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
10:39:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE NEED TO HAVE A FULL COUNCIL.
10:39:14AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I THINK WE DO.
AND THEY ARE IN THE BUILDING.
10:39:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LET'S DO A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS TO MAKE
SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS UP HERE BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME TIE
VOTES HERE.
WE'LL HAVE A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS TO GIVE THEM THE
OPPORTUNITY.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
[RECESS]
10:49:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER.
IF WE COULD HAVE ROLL CALL AT THIS TIME.
10:49:52AM >> CARLSON?
HURTAK?
10:49:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
10:49:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
10:49:55AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PRESENT.

10:49:56AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
10:49:57AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
10:49:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
10:49:58AM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
10:50:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
BEFORE WE START THE HEARINGS, I JUST WANT TO QUICKLY TAKE UP
ITEMS 56, 57, 58 AND 59.
IF I CAN GET A MOTION?
WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE ITEMS FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ALL RIGHT.
WE ARE GOING TO START WITH ITEM 49.
MR. SHELBY.
10:50:26AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
THIS ITEM, NUMBER 49, IS HERE PURSUANT TO RULE 6-H OF
COUNCIL'S RULES IN THAT AT THE LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS WHEN
THE ORDINANCE WAS BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION, IT DID NOT GET A MAJORITY VOTE PER THE CHARTER.
IT WAS A TIE VOTE AND IT RETURNS TODAY BECAUSE COUNCIL
MEMBER CARLSON BEING ABSENT AT THE TIME HAS RETURNED.
YOU HAVE A FULL COUNCIL NOW.

I SHOULD ALSO POINT FOR PURPOSES OF THE RECORD THAT THERE IS
A QUASI-JUDICIAL REZONING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
TRAVELING WITH THIS, ITEM NUMBER 50.
ITEM NUMBER 50 DID NOT HAVE A VOTE WHEN PRESENTED FOR SECOND
READING AND ADOPTION.
RATHER THE MOTION WAS TO CONTINUE IT TO TODAY, TO RUN
CONCURRENTLY WITH THIS DUE TO THE 3-3 VOTE UNDER RULE 6H.
NOW, THE FIRST THING I WOULD LIKE TO DO, IS THERE ARE
SEVERAL HEARINGS TODAY WHERE COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON WAS
ABSENT.
I WOULD LIKE TO FOR THE RECORD ASK COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON,
HAVE YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE RECORD AND ARE
YOU PREPARED TO VOTE ON THESE ITEMS THIS MORNING?
10:51:40AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
I WAS THERE FOR THE FIRST HEARING ON THESE.
SO HEARD THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION.
AND THEN I WATCHED THE VIDEO THE OTHER DAY.
THERE WAS ONE THAT INCORRECTLY SAID I VOTED AGAINST IT.
10:51:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
49.
CARLSON, MIRANDA, MANISCALCO, NO.
BUT IT SHOWS THAT YOU WERE ABSENT.
IS THAT A SCRIVENER'S ERROR.
10:52:01AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHAT IS IN RED ON 49 WAS THE FIRST READING
VOTE.
I THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO MY ATTENTION.

SO EVERYBODY KNOWS AND THE PUBLIC ALSO KNOWS, NUMBER 49,
FILE VAC 23-30, THE VOTES IN RED WERE NO VOTES.
IS THAT CORRECT, AS FAR AS PEOPLE KNOW?
AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED IS, THE VOTE ON -- ON THE LAST
REGULAR MEETING ON JANUARY 9 WAS A 3-3, AND YOU HAVE THE
COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO VOTED AT THAT TIME VOTING NO AND COUNCIL
MEMBER CARLSON BEING ABSENT.
10:52:38AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AT THE MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO, YOU SAID THERE
WAS A SCRIVENER'S ERROR, THAT SAID I VOTED NO.
10:52:44AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WAS IT CORRECTED ON THIS ONE?
WHAT YOU HAVE --
10:52:49AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS IS ALL CORRECT?
I WANT TO MAKE SURE.
10:52:52AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE CLERK INDICATES THAT, YES, THIS IS ALL
CORRECT.
10:52:57AM >>THE CLERK:
[INAUDIBLE]
10:52:58AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NOW WITH REGARD TO THIS, COUNCIL, MR.
MALLOY, WHO IS PRESENT AND REPRESENTS THE APPLICANT IN THIS
CASE, BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION A PROCEDURAL DUE PROCESS
ISSUE.
I REQUEST COUNCIL TO GIVE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO BOTH BRING
IT TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION AND TO PUT IT ON THE RECORD.
10:53:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BEFORE WE DO, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:53:19AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO BRING ONE THING UP, 49 NAMING
OF THE STREETS BUT NO ADDRESSES.

50 IT HAD THE NUMBER OF STREETS WITH THE ADDRESSES ON IT.
I WANT TO SAY THAT BECAUSE HERE IT SAYS I MOVED IT, WHICH I
DID, CHAIRMAN ASKED ME TO MOVE IT.
I MEMORIZE NUMBERS.
I DON'T MEMORIZE STREETS WHEN I VOTE ON SOMETHING.
THE NUMBERS I MEMORIZE LIKE PHONE NUMBERS SO THAT'S WHAT I
DID.
10:53:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. MALLOY.
10:53:49AM >> WILLIAM MALLOY, SOUTH BOULEVARD, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
COUNCIL MEMBERS, I MADE A MISTAKE LAST TIME WHEN WE
PRESENTED THE VACATION.
I DID NOT BRING UP OUR SUPPORT.
WE HAVE CITIZENS HERE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE ALLEY, THE
AFFECTED CITIZENS HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM.
THEY ARE IN FAVOR OF IT.
I DIDN'T BRING THEM UP LAST TIME.
I WOULD VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT IF YOU COULD HEAR THEIR
VOICES TODAY.
10:54:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO MOVE TO HEAR THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:54:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?

ARE YOU THE APPLICANT FOR 49?
10:54:26AM >> WE CAN PRESENT OR GO RIGHT TO CITIZEN TESTIMONY.
THE CASE HAS NOT CHANGED SINCE FIRST READING.
10:54:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO ADD, WE'LL OPEN
IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE HAVE NOBODY REGISTERED.
IT'S ALL IN PERSON.
PLEASE COME UP, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE
MINUTES.
GOOD MORNING, SIR.
ALSO, MR. SHELBY.
10:54:45AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES OR COMMENTS FROM
THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE REBUTTAL FROM MR. MALLOY, I'LL ASK
HIM TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.
10:54:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HE'LL HAVE THE FIVE-MINUTE REBUTTAL
TIME.
10:54:55AM >> TONY MONK.
I'VE BEEN SWORN IN.
ACTUALLY, TWO WEEKS AGO, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD NOT HAVE
BEEN IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
SINCE THEN WE'VE HAD A COLLABORATIVE, VERY PRODUCTIVE
CONVERSATION WITH THE DEVELOPERS.
AS PART OF THE WHOLE SITE PLAN, THEY HAVE ADDRESSED OUR
CONCERNS.
WE CAN TALK IN THE REZONING PART ABOUT HOW MAYBE WE CAN MAKE

SOME OF THOSE PROPOSALS BINDING BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT IS JUST
THEIR WORD, WHICH IS GREAT.
BUT AS FAR AS THE ALLEY VACATION, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS NEVER
PARTICULARLY OPPOSED TO THAT.
WE WERE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THE SITE PLAN STUFF,
ACCESS ON TO THE NEXT ALLEY OVER THAT BROUGHT THE TRAFFIC
FURTHER INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE THINK PROCEDURALLY, TO GET TO THAT CONVERSATION, WE NEED
TO SUPPORT THIS ALLEY VACATION SO THAT WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT
ITEM, WHICH IS THE REZONING.
WE WOULD SUPPORT THE ALLEY VACATION AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK
UP HERE AND TALK TO YOU ALL A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE REZONING
AND WHAT OUR CONCERNS ARE AND WHAT THE DEVELOPER HAS
OFFERED, WHICH WE ACCEPT.
LIKE WE SAID LAST TIME, AND TO COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN'S
POINT, WE THINK THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT FOR THE CITY.
WE SUPPORT IT.
WE SUPPORT THE WALKABILITY.
WE SUPPORT PRIORITIZING PEOPLE AND QUALITY OF LIFE OVER
AUTOMOBILES.
WE THINK IT'S GENERALLY PRETTY GOOD.
AND IT IS THE BEST DEAL ON THE TABLE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WE'D HATE TO UNDO IT AND REALLY LIKE TO KEEP MOVING
FORWARD IN A POSITIVE WAY AND REALLY ENCOURAGED BY THE
DEVELOPER COMING TO THE TABLE WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND HAVING

THAT CONVERSATION AND ADDRESSING OUR CONCERNS.
10:56:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT'S ENCOURAGING TO HEAR.
10:56:23AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ARE YOU REPRESENTING YOUR OWN OPINION OR ON
THE BOARD OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION?
10:56:27AM >> I'M REPRESENTING BOTH THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS AND THE
BOARD.
AND WE CAN HAVE THE BOARD COME UP HERE AND SPEAK ALSO.
THE LETTER WE SUBMITTED IS SIGNED BY THE BOARD.
IT WAS SENT EARLIER THIS WEEK.
THAT REPRESENTS THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE THEIR
SPECIFIC CONCERNS AND THE LARGER NEIGHBORHOOD BOARD.
BOTH ENTITIES.
WE'RE ALL IN SUPPORT.
10:56:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER FOR ITEM 49.
THIS IS JUST THE VACATING.
MR. MALLOY, YOU SAID YOU HAD SUPPORTERS OR WAITING FOR THE
REZONING.
10:57:00AM >> I MAY HAVE USED THE PLURAL.
THESE ARE OUR SUPPORTERS.
10:57:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DO YOU WANT TO COME UP AND SPEAK?
IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY NOW, THERE IS ALWAYS THE REZONING
COMING UP NEXT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY REBUTTAL, SIR?
10:57:17AM >> EVERYTHING MR. MONK SAID, WE WHOLEHEARTEDLY ENDORSE.

10:57:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO CLOSE.
ALL IN FAVOR?
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE READING 49?
10:57:28AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WILL NOW.
GAVE ME THE LONG ONE.
10:57:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
JUST FOR YOU.
10:57:33AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT'S MY PENALTY.
ITEM 49, FILE NUMBER VAC-23-30, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED
FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, VACATING,
CLOSING, DISCONTINUING AND ABANDONING THAT
ALLEYWAY/RIGHT-OF-WAY LOCATED NORTH OF AMELIA AVENUE, SOUTH
OF COLUMBUS DRIVE, EAST OF GLENWOOD DRIVE, AND WEST OF NORTH
BOULEVARD WITHIN THE PLAT OF RIDGEWOOD PARK SUBDIVISION IN
THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA AS MORE
FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN
COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY
SET FORTH HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES
FOR VIOLATIONS, PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS
AND REPEALING CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY,
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:58:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SECOND, EXCEPT GLENWOOD DRIVE --
[INDISCERNIBLE]
10:58:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
MIRANDA.

SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION --
10:58:32AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:58:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THIS IS NOW FOR THE REZONING, ITEM 50,
EVERYBODY HAS BEEN SWORN IN.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:58:44AM >>SAMUEL THOMAS:
SAM THOMAS, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
ITEM 50, REZ 25-12, REZONING REQUEST FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT
702 WEST COLUMBUS DRIVE, 2502 AND 2504 NORTH BOULEVARD AND
FOLIO NUMBER 183355-0005.
REQUEST TO REZONE FROM RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY 50
COMMERCIAL GENERAL PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT FOR STOREFRONT RESIDENTIAL, ALL COMMERCIAL
NEIGHBORHOOD USES.
REVISIONS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AND CERTIFIED PLANS SUBMITTED
TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
MYSELF AND MOBILITY ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT
YOU ALL MAY HAVE.
10:59:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN?
ALL RIGHT.
YES, SIR, COME ON UP.
NO.
OKAY.
ANYTHING TO ADD, SIR?

MR. SCOTT?
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:59:31AM >> JONATHAN SCOTT, MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
THE COUNCIL ASKED THAT MOBILITY LOOK INTO DEFINITELY
ONE-WAYING THE ALLEY.
WE HAD DISCUSSED THAT.
OPEN TO THE IDEA AND IT COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH THE
RIGHT-OF-WAY PERMITTING PROCESS, WHICH WOULD BE SEPARATE
FROM THIS REZONING APPLICATION, BUT WE DID DISCUSS IT.
I THINK THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION WITH THE NEIGHBORS AS FAR
AS THAT AS WELL.
I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT AND PUT THAT --
10:59:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
10:59:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I RECEIVED AN E-MAIL ABOUT THAT.
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
BUT CAN YOU REPORT WHAT THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT
DECIDED ABOUT THAT?
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU DO OR DO NOT SUPPORT?
11:00:12AM >> WE WOULD SUPPORT IT IF THERE WAS LOTS OF TRAFFIC IN THE
ALLEY.
IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO ONE WAY IT, BUT NOW THERE ARE
OTHER DISCUSSIONS COME UP.
TYPICALLY THE ALLEYS ARE ALWAYS ONE WAY -- I MEAN, TWO WAY,
BUT WE WERE OPEN TO THAT IDEA.
IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA IF THERE WAS LOTS OF TRAFFIC ON IT.

YOU ARE CORRECT --
11:00:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
11:00:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
YES, MA'AM, COME ON UP.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:00:42AM >> THANK YOU.
ISABEL ALBERT, REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN HAD.
I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT HERE TO LOOK A BIT AT THE HISTORY OF
THE PROJECT AND HOW WE ENDED UP HERE TODAY.
THIS IS NOT A LARGE DEVELOPER.
THIS IS A HUSBAND AND WIFE TEAM.
THEY REALLY FELL IN LOVE WITH TAMPA.
THEY ARE ORIGINALLY FROM TEXAS, BUT SINCE THEN, THEY HAVE
PURCHASED A HOUSE IN THE AREA AND THEY HAVE DECIDED TO
INVEST IN THIS COMMUNITY.
BY DOING THAT, IT STARTED AS A CORNER LOT, AS YOU REMEMBER A
COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, STARTED AS A CORNER LOT AND WE RECEIVED
A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS COUNCIL.
NOT ONLY THAT, THEY WON AN AWARD FROM THE PLANNING
COMMISSION FOR THE DESIGN AND PLANNING PORTION CATEGORY OF
IT.
THAT ENCOURAGED THEM TO GO FORWARD FOR ADDITIONAL PROJECTS.
IT JUST SO HAPPENS THE TWO NORTHERN LOTS BECAME AVAILABLE

AND THEREFORE THEY PURCHASED THAT, WE WENT THROUGH A
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AFTER THAT.
WE GOT UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL AND NOW LED US TO
THIS REZONING.
AS STAFF STATED, WE DID REVISE THE PLAN TO MEET ALL THE
REVISIONS ON THE SHEET.
YOU ALSO HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND REPRESENTING THE
ASSOCIATION THAT WE HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSION WITH THEM AS
WELL.
A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT WERE ON THE REVISION SHEET OR THIS
AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE BETWEEN MR. SATTERLY AND THE
NEIGHBORS ARE STUFF THAT COULD NOT BE IMPLANTED ON THE SITE
PLAN AT THIS TIME.
WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO FIRST READING TO BE ENFORCEABLE.
BUT WE DID HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND MRS.
ALDERMAN, WHO IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE ASSOCIATION, HAS BEEN
IN DISCUSSION WITH MR. SATTERLY SINCE THEN AND DISCUSSING
THE TYPE OF USES THAT WERE COMING IN AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
HE KEPT THE NEIGHBORHOOD INVOLVED AND UP TO DATE ON THE
PROCESS.
AS YOU SEE ON THE LETTER THAT YOU RECEIVED, MOST IMPORTANT
ITEMS YOU HEARD IN THE PAST AND THAT YOU WILL HEAR AGAIN
TODAY, ONE OF THEM WAS TO ADD THE GATE.
THE GATE WAS BASICALLY JUST A SIMPLE GATE THAT WOULD BE
CLOSED AT ALL TIMES BUT IT WOULD BE OPEN DURING THE DAYS OF

SOLID WASTE COMING IN.
BUT OTHERWISE, IT WOULD BE KEPT CLOSED TO ELIMINATE THE
TRAFFIC THAT THE NEIGHBORS TALKED ABOUT.
AND THE OTHER ITEM THAT WAS RAISED AT THE LAST HEARING SAID
MAYBE YOU CAN ADD SOME SIGNAGE.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD AGREE TO AS SIGNAGE THAT
PROHIBITS CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC IN THIS ALLEY.
THE APPLICANT HAS COMMITTED TO DO SO.
THERE ARE OTHER ITEMS THAT WERE LISTED.
I WILL GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO SPEAK ON
THOSE ITEMS.
BUT WE DO HAVE THE SUPPORT, AS YOU HEARD, THE SUPPORT FROM
THIS ASSOCIATION, BUT AS WELL AS THE TAMPA HEIGHTS.
TAMPA HEIGHTS IS HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THIS BECAUSE THEY ARE
EXACTLY ADJACENT TO IT, AND EXPRESSED THEIR EXCITEMENT FOR
THIS PROJECT.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE NEIGHBORS WANT TO COME IN SUPPORT AND
ARE HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
11:04:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YEAH, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING WHAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE
TO SAY.
IF THERE'S ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM 50, THIS IS
THE REZONING, PLEASE COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

MR. MONK, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN FOR THE RECORD.
11:04:15AM >> TONY MONK.
I'VE BEEN SWORN IN.
I'LL SPEAK GENERALLY FOR THE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT NEIGHBORS
AND THE BOARD.
IF I MISS SOMETHING, THEY MAY COME UP AND SPEAK AFTER ME TO
FILL IN GAPS.
WE'LL TRY TO KNOCK IT OUT IN ONE GO.
WE SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE PLAN AS SHOWN CONTINGENT
ON OUR CONCERNS BEING ADDRESSED AND WHAT MS. ALBERT SHOWED.
THE THING WE NEED TO BE MOST DURABLE IS THE GATE THAT WOULD
LIMIT ACCESS, THAT SOLVES ALMOST ALL THE SAFETY AND VISION
ZERO AND WALKABILITY CONCERNS BECAUSE IT KEEPS THE TRAFFIC
SORT OF CONCENTRATED TO THIS MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, THE
VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, AND IT KEEPS IT FROM GOING FURTHER INTO
THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE JUST HAD A LOT OF FAMILIES WITH YOUNG KIDS MOVE INTO THE
AREA, SO THEY ARE RUNNING BACK AND FORTH IN THAT AREA ACROSS
THE STREET, MAKING USE OF THE THIRD SPACES.
WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
WE WOULD LIKE CITY COUNCIL TO HELP US MAKE THAT PARTICULAR
THING DURABLE, WHETHER THAT MEANS ATTACHING THAT SKETCH TO
THE SITE PLAN OR MOTIONING IN, INCLUDE A GATE AS DISCUSSED.
IF THERE'S SOME WAY TODAY TO MAKE THAT DURABLE AND THEY CAN
CONTINUE, THAT'S GREAT.

WE WOULD LIKE IT TO BE ENFORCEABLE.
IT MIGHT GET SOLD, MIGHT NOT BE THE SAME DEVELOPER, WHATEVER
MIGHT HAPPEN, THEN THE GATE GOES AWAY OR STAYS OPEN, WE WANT
A DOCUMENT WE CAN POINT TO, HEY, YOU ALL, CLOSE THE GATE.
IT'S NOT JUST FOR EVERYBODY TO COME AND GO AT ALL HOURS.
THAT IS THE THING THAT NEEDS TO BE MOST DURABLE.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS PRETTY RESOLVABLE THROUGH THE SITE PLAN
REVIEW PROCESS IF THE COUNCIL WOULD SUGGEST THAT CITY STAFF
WORK IN GOOD FAITH TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS.
CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC WAS ALREADY MENTIONED.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S MUCH THAT CITY STAFF AND COUNCIL CAN
DO ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S MORE US WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER.
TO REQUEST ANYTHING WE CAN, CAN CODE ENFORCEMENT HELP OUT OR
CAN THE INSPECTION DEPARTMENT HELP OUT DURING CONSTRUCTION,
LIKE, HEY, THE DEVELOPER SAID THEY WOULDN'T DRIVE THE HEAVY
TRUCKS IN THE ALLEY BEHIND THE HOUSES, THAT WOULD BE SUPER.
ONE WAYING OF THE ALLEY, NEIGHBOR AT 2503 NORTH GLENWOOD,
THE WAY THEIR GARAGE AND DRIVEWAY IS CONFIGURED ONE WAY
WOULD MAKE IT WHERE THEY CAN'T REALLY GET IN AND OUT. THAT
GOES TO THE NEXT POINT, FROM A VISION ZERO PERSPECTIVE, WE
WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KEEP THAT ALLEY PAVEMENT AS NARROW AS
IT CAN BE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE A MAIN
DRIVEWAY TO THE DEVELOPMENT OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE PEOPLE
JUST COME ON THROUGH THERE.

AS YOU ALL HAVE LEARNED IN YOUR TIME, THE WIDER THE PAVEMENT
IS THE FASTER PEOPLE GO.
AS NARROW AS WE CAN KEEP THAT THINKING ABOUT VISION ZERO,
TRAFFIC CALMING, SAFETY, THAT WOULD BE SUPER.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S ANYTHING WE NEED TO MAKE ON THE SITE
PLAN, BUT JUST GETTING THAT, JUST A REQUEST OF STAFF PERHAPS
TO WORK IN GOOD FAITH.
WE'LL WORK WITH STAFF ON THE GRAND TREE ROOTS AND THEN THE
EXTERIOR LIGHT FIXTURES ABOUT NOT SEEING THE LIGHT LAMP
SHINE AT YOU, WE CAN WORK AT PERMIT REVIEW PROCESS.
GETTING THE GATE IS MOST DURABLE.
INTERESTING TO KNOW HOW COUNCIL OR HOW YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO
HELP US WITH THAT.
I'LL YIELD IN CASE ANYBODY ELSE.
11:07:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
11:07:20AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
CAN THEY MAKE A CHANGE IN THE SITE PLAN AT
THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS?
11:07:30AM >>CATE WELLS:
GOOD MORNING.
CATE WELLS FOR THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
WITH RESPECT TO THE REQUEST TO INCLUDE A GATE ON THE SITE
PLAN, THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE SITE PLAN TO BE AMENDED AND FOR
THIS ITEM TO GO BACK TO FIRST READING.
I APPRECIATE THAT EVERYBODY IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT,
WANTS TO EXPEDITE APPROVAL, BUT SIMPLY ATTACHING THIS LETTER

TO THE SITE PLAN WOULD NOT BE ANY INDICATION TO STAFF OR
ANYBODY ELSE AS TO WHAT THE INTENT IS.
SO IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION, IF COUNCIL IS SUPPORTIVE
OF THE PROJECT, AND THE DEVELOPER IS RECEPTIVE TO AMENDING
THE SITE PLAN TO SHOW THE GATE AND INCLUDE A NOTE ABOUT HOW
IT'S TO BE OPERATED, THAT THAT BE INCLUDED IN COUNCIL'S
MOTION AND THIS CAN GO BACK TO FIRST READING TODAY AND THEN
SECOND READING SCHEDULED WITHIN TWO TO THREE WEEKS, WHENEVER
THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING IS.
11:08:23AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
11:08:26AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WITH REGARD TO -- I DON'T KNOW WHETHER
STAFF WILL ADDRESS THIS, BUT WITH THE OTHER ITEMS, IN TERMS
OF WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND
READING, MY UNDERSTANDING, THE WAY THINGS WORK, EVERYTHING
SHOULD BE IN THE REVISION SHEET BY A DIRECTION OF COUNCIL
BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING IF IT IS, IN FACT,
ENFORCEABLE, NEEDS TO BE PLACED ON THE SITE PLAN.
11:08:50AM >>CATE WELLS:
WHAT I HEARD IS THE REMAINING ITEMS WOULD BE
ADDRESSED DURING THE PERMITTING PROCESS, SO THEY WOULD NOT
NEED TO BE INCLUDED ON THE SITE PLAN.
11:09:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
11:09:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK I'M GOING TO REITERATE WHAT
MS. WELLS JUST SAID.
IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING LISTENING TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND THE
APPLICANT THAT THIS WOULD BE ADDRESSED INFORMALLY DURING THE

ZONING PROCESS AND AFTER THE ZONING PROCESS, YOU GUYS -- IN
OTHER WORDS, IF THIS WAS A CHOICE BETWEEN SENDING THIS BACK
TO FIRST READING OR YOU GUYS WORKING OUT THIS PROCESS NOW,
YOU HEARD SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY?
11:09:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH.
MS. WELLS JUST SAID WE HAVE -- THAT BASICALLY WE WOULD DO A
FIRST READING TODAY, RIGHT NOW.
11:09:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THEN IT WOULD GO BACK TO SECOND --
11:09:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, TWO WEEKS.
11:09:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
I'M SAYING DO THEY WANT US TO GO BACK TO A FIRST READING
TODAY AND HAVE THIS COME BACK TO US AGAIN TO MAKE THESE
CHANGES?
11:09:52AM >> WILLIAM MALLOY AGAIN.
IF I FOLLOWED CORRECTLY, NOT SURE I ENTIRELY DID, ARE WE
TREATING TODAY AS POSSIBLY A FIRST READING SO WE CAN COME
BACK FOR SECOND READING WITH THE CHANGE ON THE SHEET
ABSOLUTELY, WE'RE ALL FOR IT.
11:10:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EVERYBODY IS GOOD WITH THAT.
11:10:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
ALL I WANTED TO DO WAS ASK AND SEE IF THAT WAS ACCEPTABLE TO
THE APPLICANT.
HE ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
11:10:18AM >> WONDERFUL.
MORE THAN ACCEPTABLE.

11:10:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT IS THE CASE, IF WE
CAN BRING IT TO FIRST READING TODAY AND PUT THOSE ITEMS ON
THE SITE PLAN THAT WERE MENTIONED, NOT THE PERMITTING
ITEMS --
11:10:29AM >> WE CAN PUT ON THE SITE PLAN, YES, SIR.
11:10:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WILL GLADLY SUPPORT AND SUPPORT IT AT
SECOND READING.
I SEE THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, PEOPLE THAT LIVE
RIGHT THERE ADJACENT.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT, BUT WHEN NEIGHBORS COME OUT, I
TRY TO LISTEN.
MY VOTING RECORD IS NOT PERFECT, BUT I WANT TO BE
RESPECTFUL.
IF THE ATTORNEYS, THE APPLICANTS ARE AMENABLE TO TAKING IT
TO FIRST READING TODAY AND THEN ADDING THOSE ON THE SITE
PLAN FOR SECOND READING, YOU'LL HAVE MY SUPPORT ALL THE WAY
THROUGH.
11:11:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DO WANT TO SAY, AGAIN, SAY IT OUT LOUD AND
ON THE RECORD HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE WHEN DEVELOPERS WORK
WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO FINALIZE EVEN THESE LITTLE THINGS.
IT CAN MAKE THE DIFFERENCE IN A PROJECT.
AS YOU'VE SEEN AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT
AND BEING NOT JUST REACHING OUT BUT STAYING CONNECTED
THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS, IT IS A NIGHT AND DAY FROM THE
FIRST TIME THIS WENT THROUGH AND I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU

FOR THAT.
WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT MOVING FORWARD.
11:11:29AM >> THANK YOU.
IT IS OUR WHOLE TEAM AND THE CITIZENS, TOO.
11:11:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY ELSE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES
TO SPEAK?
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET ALL PUBLIC COMMENT.
YES, MA'AM.
COME ON UP AND STATE YOUR NAME.
11:11:41AM >> CANDICE PORTER.
I LIVE AT 2503 NORTH GLENWOOD.
I'M IN THE GARAGE THAT EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT.
I WON'T BE ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT OF MY GARAGE.
ALSO, MY 16-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER, IF SHE HAS TO PULL OUT ON
COLUMBUS, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE.
I'M AGAINST A ONE-WAY.
THANK YOU.
11:12:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK?
YES, MA'AM.
COME ON UP.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:12:16AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MEGAN ETUE.
2507 NORTH GLENWOOD.

ALSO THE TREASURER OF RIDGEWOOD PARK.
I REPRESENT BOTH.
ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER.
AGAIN, EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT.
WE HAVE WORKED A LOT OF HOURS WITH THE DEVELOPER AND THE
OWNER, TEAMS CALLS AT NIGHT DURING OUR OFF HOURS, PUTTING
THE KIDS TO BED, TRYING TO GET THIS TO WORK OUT.
WE ARE REALLY APPRECIATE OF THE DIALOGUE.
MY HUSBAND SAID, TONY MONK, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
CONSTRUCTION ACCESS IS LIMITED ON THAT ALLEY.
WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THE LIGHTING IS TAKEN CARE OF SO
DOWN-SHIELDED.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE GAS STATION AND ALL THE OTHER STORES
THAT BLARES RIGHT INTO OUR BACKYARD.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TWO WAY FOR THE ALLEY FOR OUR
NEIGHBORS.
WE THINK THIS IS A WIN-WIN, BUT THE GATE IS ABSOLUTELY A
NECESSITY BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC GOING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD
EVEN FURTHER, PROTECTING THE KIDS, PROTECTING THE ANIMALS,
PROTECTING EVERYBODY IN THE AREA.
SO WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS, BUT WE ARE VERY HAPPY
THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO COME TO A CONCLUSION.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
11:13:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YES, MA'AM, COME ON UP.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:13:26AM >> HELLO.
MY NAME IS JESSICA HINES.
I LIVE AT 708 WEST AMELIA.
I'VE BEEN SWORN IN.
I LIVE ACROSS FROM -- NOT ON THE ALLEY OF THE REZONING BUT I
LIVE ACROSS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT.
I'M ALSO THE SECRETARY OF THE RIDGEWOOD PARK CIVIC
ASSOCIATION, BUT I'M HERE REALLY TO TALK MORE ON BEHALF OF
THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE SMALL CHILDREN.
I HAVE TWO TODDLERS.
SO SAFETY WAS THE BIGGEST CONCERN OF THIS WITH THE VACATION
OF THE ALLEY AND THE TRAFFIC COMING FURTHER INTO THE
NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT WAS OUR BIGGEST CONCERN.
I THINK ALL OF OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DEVELOPERS AND THE
GATE SOLVES THAT.
SO WE'RE FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT, THE REZONING, AS
LONG AS THAT INCLUDES THAT GATE.
11:14:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYBODY ELSE?
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND -- WAIT, DO YOU NEED REBUTTAL?
11:14:27AM >> NO, SIR.
11:14:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.

STAFF, THEY SEEM TO BE LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE -- CAN WE MOVE FORWARD OR DO WE HAVE
CONVERSATION?
11:14:44AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ABBYE FEELEY, ADMINISTRATOR OF DEVELOPMENT
AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
I WAS NOT SWORN IN FOR THIS BECAUSE I DID NOT PLAN TO SPEAK
ON IT.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT STAFF IN GETTING THIS WHERE IT
NEEDS TO BE
[OATH ADMINISTERED]
I DO.
THANK YOU.
SO IN SUPPORTING WHAT MS. WELLS AND THIS NEEDS TO GO BACK ON
FIRST READING.
UNLIKE YOUR TYPICAL READINGS, THERE'S NO REVISION SHEET
BECAUSE THE REVISIONS ARE COMING FORWARD FROM THE DEVELOPER,
NOT FROM STAFF AS STAFF HASN'T REVIEWED SOME OF WHAT'S BEEN
GOING ON.
LET ME JUST ADD A COUPLE OF THINGS.
I'M GOING TO LET SAM READ ALL THE CONDITIONS IN.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HAVE
BEEN SAID.
WE'LL WORK THAT OUT AT PERMITTING.
WE'LL WORK THAT OUT AT PERMITTING.
IF THERE IS AN EXPECTATION BEING PLACED ON THIS DEVELOPMENT,

I NEED TO KNOW THAT NOW.
I CAN'T THEN PUT IT INTO PERMITTING AND THE EXPECTATION OF
THIS BOARD IS NOT FULFILLED AT THAT TIME.
SO ONE THING I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT AND ONCE I SAY THIS, MR.
MALLOY MAY WANT TO HAVE REBUTTAL CONVERSATION.
SO ONE THING IS THAT ALLEY IS A 16-FOOT PLATTED ALLEY.
IT IS NOT SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.
THE DIMENSION IS NOT.
I JUST DID TALK WITH MS. ALBERT, THAT DOES NEED TO BE ADDED
IN BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
I'LL HAVE SAM CAN READ IN EVERYTHING COLLECTIVELY.
I WANT TO TALK TO A COUPLE OF THESE THINGS.
I HEAR MR. MONK IN WHAT HE HAS SAID ABOUT MAKING IT MORE
NARROW.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE'VE DEALT WITH THIS IN WEST TAMPA WHERE
YOU NEED TO LEAVE ENOUGH DIMENSION IN THE ALLEY FOR THEM TO
BE ABLE TO PULL IN AND OUT OF THEIR DRIVEWAYS AND NOT CREATE
A VISIBILITY OR OTHER PROBLEM.
11:16:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T THINK I HEARD HIM TO SAY TO SHRINK
IT.
I THINK I HEARD HIM TO KEEP IT AS NARROW AS POSSIBLE, WHICH
TO ME, I UNDERSTOOD IT TO MEAN LEAVE IT WHERE IT IS NOW.
YEAH, THAT IS --
11:16:40AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
16-FOOT WOULD REMAIN.
11:16:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.

HE'S SAYING HE DOESN'T WANT IT WIDENED, PAVED.
11:16:49AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
WHAT IS THE PAVED DIMENSION?
11:16:52AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
11:16:56AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THIS IS GOING TO NEED TO GO THROUGH THE
RIGHT-OF-WAY PERMITTING PROCESS WHEN THEY CHANGE OR ADDRESS
THE ALLEY.
I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY IS NOT GOING TO SAY THE
SAFEST IS 14-FOOT OR 12-FOOT OR WHATEVER.
IT IS AT 16 WITH 10-FOOT OF FAULT RIGHT NOW.
WHEN THEY IMPROVE THAT FOR THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO COME
OFF OF THIS PROJECT AND OTHER STUFF AND PROBABLY ACCOMMODATE
FOR STORMWATER, THAT TEN FEET MAY CHANGE.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY PERMITTING PROCESS IS
GOING TO DO ON THAT.
11:17:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT WE CAN SAY THAT IT WOULD BE NO WIDER THAN
16 BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IS ALLOWED FOR, PLATTED.
11:17:34AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THAT IS WHAT IT PLATTED AND THAT IS WHERE
THE IMPROVEMENTS SHOULD TAKE PLACE, WITHIN THAT 16 FEET, BE
THAT THE PAVEMENT PLUS ANY STORMWATER, GRADING THAT MAY NEED
TO BE DONE OR THE CROWN OF THAT, THAT IS CORRECT.
IT WOULD NOT BE WIDER THAN 16, BUT I THINK WHAT THE
NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN LIVING WITH RIGHT NOW IS 10 AND THAT'S
WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE KEPT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO GIVE
THE EXPECTATION THAT ONCE IT GOES THROUGH RIGHT-OF-WAY
PERMITTING THAT IT MAY NOT NEED TO BE ADJUSTED.

THE COMMITMENT THEY WERE ASKING FOR WAS MINIMIZE PAVEMENT
WITH AN ALLEY FOR TRAFFIC CALMING, PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND
VISION ZERO.
IF THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO COMMIT TO THAT, I WOULD ADD TO THE
END THAT IT IS SUBJECT TO THE CITY'S RIGHT-OF-WAY PERMITTING
PROCESS.
11:18:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE ONLY THING I WOULD ASK IS THAT THERE'S
COMMUNICATION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON HOW THEY CAN PUT
THEIR INPUT WHEN THAT PART COMES UP.
LIKE WHEN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, HOW DOES THE NEIGHBORHOOD
CONNECT WITH THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY PERMITTING AT THE TIME?
I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THROUGH STAFF, BUT I THINK AFTER
THIS, I WOULD LOVE IF SOMEONE FROM STAFF COULD SPEAK TO THE
NEIGHBORHOOD AND LET THEM KNOW HOW THEY CAN BE A PART OF
THAT PARTICULAR PROCESS.
11:18:57AM >> JONATHAN SCOTT, MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
THAT CAN BE A DISCUSSION WE WOULD HAVE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD
DURING THAT PROCESS.
11:19:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
11:19:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYTHING ELSE?
11:19:07AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I MIGHT SUGGEST IS
THAT THE DEVELOPER COULD HAVE THE OPTION IF THEY WANTED TO
SIGN THE CONSTRUCTION ROUTE SO THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT THERE
SHOULD NOT BE CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS IN A CERTAIN AREA.
THEY COULD PUT THAT ON THEIR FENCING OR PUT THAT IN ANOTHER

WAY JUST TO BE ABLE TO FULFILL THAT COMMITMENT.
I KNOW THAT WAS ANOTHER ONE TALKED ABOUT AS POTENTIALLY
BEING WISHY-WASHY.
THAT WOULD BE OPEN TO MR. MALLOY AND WHETHER OR NOT HIS TEAM
WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT.
OTHER THAN THAT, WHAT SAM WILL DO IS READ IN EVERYTHING ELSE
FOR YOU AND THEN YOU WOULD MAKE THE MOTION WITH THE
REVISIONS AS READ IN BY STAFF.
11:19:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
11:19:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CLENDENIN.
11:19:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SAM OR MS. FEELEY, THE ISSUE WITH THE
GATE, IT BEING INSTITUTIONALIZED IN PERPETUITY BETWEEN FIRST
AND SECOND READING, YOU ALL WILL HAVE THAT LANGUAGE OR WORK
WITH THE DEVELOPER TO HAVE THE LANGUAGE?
11:20:07AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
SO WITH THE ADDITION OF A NOTE THAT THE GATE
-- IS THE GATE SET BACK SO THERE WON'T BE A QUEUING PROBLEM
IN THE ALLEY?
11:20:21AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
11:20:22AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I WOULD SAY THAT YOU COULD ADD AS A COUNCIL
CONDITION TO THIS REZONING THAT AS A COUNCIL CONDITION OF
THE APPROVAL, AND THE NOTE WOULD SAY EXACTLY THAT, THAT THE
GATE MUST BE INSTALLED AND MUST BE MAINTAINED THROUGH THE
LIFE OF THE PROJECT OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
11:20:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO AS A COUNCIL AND
NOT SOMETHING THEY DO BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ALL UNDERSTOOD THAT.
11:20:49AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
IT WILL BE IN YOUR MOTION.
I THINK THE QUESTION OF PERPETUITY AND THE ABILITY TO REMOVE
THAT, YOU CAN KIND OF SOLIDIFY THAT WITH YOU MAKING IT A
COUNCIL MOTION.
BECAUSE IF IT IS OPTIONAL AT THE POINT OF THE DEVELOPER, I
THINK WHAT IS BEING SAID HERE IS THAT YOU WANT IT INSTALLED
AND YOU WANT IT TO REMAIN AND BE OPERATIONAL.
IF THAT IS THE CASE, I WOULD PROBABLY ADD THAT.
11:21:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WERE SAYING
ABOUT THE ALLEY, THAT IS SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE PROCESS
THAT WE'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
WE HEAR THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CONCERNS ABOUT THE ALLEY, BUT
THAT PROCESS IS GOING TO BE HANDLED AS A SEPARATE ISSUE FROM
THIS REZONING APPLICATION.
11:21:36AM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YES, IT IS ON PUBLIC PROPERTY.
TYPICALLY THE RIGHTS-OF-WAY AND ANY IMPROVEMENTS OUTSIDE THE
BOUNDARY OF THE --
11:21:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WANTED TO BRING THAT BACK IN TO CLOSE SO
PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD IT WAS SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE
APPLICATION PROCESS.
11:21:51AM >> JONATHAN SCOTT, MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
I MISSPOKE.
APPLICANT WAS LOOKING TO PUT THE GATE AT THE PROPERTY LINE
AND NOT SET IT BACK AND HAVE IT SLIDE IN, NOT TO AFFECT THE

RIGHT-OF-WAY OR SWING OUT OR ANYTHING.
11:22:04AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE FOR STAFF
WHETHER THAT HAS TO BE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE WITH REGARD TO THE
SETBACK ON THE SITE PLAN OR NOT, AS A DIRECTION OF COUNCIL
AS A CONDITION?
11:22:24AM >>CATE WELLS:
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THEY ARE NOT PROPOSING
FOR IT TO BE SET BACK.
THE DRAWING ATTACHED TO THE CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION SHOWED THE GATE ON THE PROPERTY
LINE.
THAT'S WHAT JONATHAN SCOTT JUST CONFIRMED AND THAT THE GATE
WILL SLIDE IN AND OUT.
THERE WILL ALSO BE A NOTE ON THE SITE PLAN WITH RESPECT TO
THOSE DAYS WHICH THE GATE CAN BE LEFT OPEN.
SO WITH REGARD TO USE OF THE GATE.
BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE GATE WILL NOT BE SET
BACK.
11:22:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AFTER HEARING ALL THAT, ANY FURTHER
REBUTTAL, MR. MALLOY?
IF NOT, WE'LL HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE.
11:23:00AM >> NO.
I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
11:23:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL
MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.

YES.
11:23:07AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE THE CONDITIONS READ
IN.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE READ IN AS PART OF THE RECORD BEFORE
YOU CLOSE.
11:23:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE'LL RETRACT THE MOTION.
MR. SHELBY.
11:23:20AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
I THINK THEY WILL BE FINALIZING IT.
AS PART OF YOUR MOTION TO MAKE IT ENFORCEABLE AND TO GIVE
IT, AS MS. WELLS SAID, PERMANENCY, IT HAS TO BE A MOTION AND
A CONDITION OF COUNCIL SO STATED ON THE SITE PLAN.
11:23:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHTY.
WE'LL JUST WAIT --
11:23:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL SAY FOR THE RECORD THAT I STILL AS I
SAID IN THE FIRST HEARING, I REALLY AM IMPRESSED BY THIS
PROJECT.
I FEEL THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS PROJECT AND THE CRITICAL
INTERSECTION THAT THIS IS BEING DEVELOPED ON, IT IS A
PERFECT BALANCE BETWEEN HOUSING AND COMMERCIAL AND STREET
FACING DEVELOPMENT, TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AND PERFECT
INTEGRATION WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND WILL END
UP BEING SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS GOING TO BE A JEWEL FOR
BOTH THE RIDGEWOOD PARK AND TAMPA HEIGHTS.
I WISH OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS AREA WOULD LEARN FROM THIS

AS FAR AS THE TYPE OF, AGAIN, THE APPROPRIATE MIX OF
DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL TO ALLOW THE
AMENITIES FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THANK YOU.
11:24:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ONE MOMENT AS THEY WRAP IT UP.
WHEN MS. FEELEY GIVES A THUMBS UP.
HOW ABOUT THIS COLD WEATHER?
GOING TO BE A COLD GASPARILLA.
11:25:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M THINKING ABOUT HAVING TO BUY PROPER, WARM
UNDERGARMENTS.
11:25:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PETTICOAT.
[ LAUGHTER ]
11:25:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, ALL THOSE FANCY -- THEY HAVE ALL THIS
TECHNOLOGY NOW.
ALL THE THIN T-SHIRTS.
11:25:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COSTCO.
THIS WAS NOT A COMMERCIAL ENDORSEMENT FOR COSTCO.
11:26:04AM >>SAMUEL THOMAS:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
I THINK WE HAVE THESE WORKED OUT.
BEAR WITH ME WHILE I TRY TO READ THESE QUICKLY.
REVISION NUMBER ONE WOULD BE ADDING THE WIDTH OF THE ALLEY,
SHOWING THAT IT IS 16 FEET WIDE.
THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE.
SECOND ONE WOULD BE ADDING A NOTE TO THE SITE PLAN THAT THE

ALLEY ENTRANCE TO THE DEVELOPMENT WHERE THEY WOULD ADD A
GATE THAT WOULD BE ONLY -- ADD A GATE AND THE ENTRANCE WOULD
ONLY BE FOR SOLID WASTE.
THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE --
11:26:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN I ADD TO THAT?
IT WILL BE INSTALLED AND MAINTAINED FOR THE LIFE OF THE
PROJECT.
11:26:38AM >>SAMUEL THOMAS:
YES.
THE SECOND ONE WOULD BE THAT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC ON THE
GLENWOOD ALLEY, WHICH IS THE ALLEY OFF OF THE ENTRANCE TO
THE SUBJECT SITE WILL BE SIGNED FOR CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC NOT
TO ENTER OR TO USE THE ALLEY AT ALL.
THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE TO MINIMIZE THE PAVEMENT WIDTH IN THE
ALLEY FOR TRAFFIC CALMING AND SUBJECT TO PERMITTING --
RIGHT-OF-WAY PERMITTING.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE TO PRESERVE THE GRAND TREE
ROOTS.
WE WOULD ADD A NOTE THAT THE GRAND TREE ROOTS WOULD BE
PRESERVED AT ABOVE GRADE CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUES FOR ANY NEW
PAVEMENT IN THE ALLEY WITHIN THE TREE PROTECTIVE ZONE AND
ALSO ADD A NOTE TO THE SITE PLAN REGARDING EXTERIOR LIGHTING
FEATURES, NO SPILLAGE ONTO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
THAT WOULD BE ALL THE REVISIONS WE WOULD HAVE DONE BETWEEN
FIRST AND SECOND READING.
11:27:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD TO THE REBUTTAL?

WE CAN CLOSE?
11:27:52AM >> WE ARE MORE THAN FINE WITH THOSE CONDITIONS.
11:27:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM CLENDENIN AND
SECOND BY MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCILMAN VIERA, COMFORTABLE WITH READING --
11:28:02AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
I WROTE DOWN THE REVISION AS WELL AS I COULD.
I KNEW THIS WAS ONE.
I MOVE FOR FIRST READING AND ADOPTION AN ORDINANCE REZONING
PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 702 WEST COLUMBUS, 2502
AND 2504 NORTH BOULEVARD AND FOLIO NUMBER 183355-0005 IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS-60,
RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY, CG, COMMERCIAL GENERAL AND PD
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, STOREFRONT
RESIDENTIAL, ALL COMMERCIAL AND NEIGHBORHOOD USES PROVIDING
AN EFFECTIVE DATE WITH THE ADDITIONAL AND PLEASE, COUNCIL,
IF I --
11:28:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK YOU CAN SAY ADOPT HIS REVISIONS.
11:28:45AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I ADOPT THE REVISIONS.
11:28:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA SINCE THIS IS A FIRST
READING, LET'S DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.

11:28:54AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:28:55AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:28:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
11:28:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
11:29:00AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
11:29:01AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:29:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:29:03AM >>THE CLERK:
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON FEBRUARY 20th,
2025, AT 10:00 A.M. IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, 315 EAST
KENNEDY BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
11:29:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:29:33AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
11:29:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I THINK IT WAS RENAMED IN '64 OR '66.
WHEN WAS GRAND CENTRAL RENAMED TO KENNEDY BOULEVARD?
YEAH, IT WAS ONE OF THOSE.
ITEM NUMBER 51.
IS THERE ANYBODY HERE FOR 51?
YES, SIR.
11:30:24AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
COUNCIL, ITEM NUMBER 51, REZ 24-52, AGAIN
WAS A TIE VOTE ON JANUARY 9, PURSUANT TO RULE 6-H.
AGAIN, AS YOU SEE THE NAMES IN RED AFTER THE FILE NUMBER ARE
THE VOTES AT THE FIRST READING AND THE DISCUSSION AT THE END
IS THE VOTE OF A 3-3 TIE.
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON BEING ABSENT, HE HAS PREVIOUSLY

INDICATED THAT HE IS PREPARED TO VOTE.
WHAT YOU HAVE NOW IS YOU HAVE THE PRESENTATION COMPLETE.
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANYBODY, OF STAFF OR THE
APPLICANT AT THIS TIME?
11:31:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
11:31:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT MY CHANGE OF VOTE AND I WANTED TO
READ INTO THE RECORD MY REASONING BEHIND IT.
SPECIFICALLY CONSIDERING WHAT WE JUST APPROVED ON ANOTHER
CORNER OF COLUMBUS, I FIND THAT SECTION 27-136, SUBSECTION
1, THIS DOES NOT PROMOTE THE SUFFICIENT AND SUSTAINABLE USE
OF LAND AND INFRASTRUCTURE WITH CAREFUL CONSIDERATION OF
POTENTIAL ADVERSE IMPACTS TO THE SURROUNDING IMPACTED
NEIGHBORHOOD AND CULTURAL RESOURCES.
WHICH TO ME GOES WITH SUBSECTION 2 WHICH IS ALLOWING THE
INTEGRATION OF DIFFERENT LAND USES AND DENSITIES IN ONE
DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD NOT OTHERWISE BE PROVIDED FOR OR
ALLOWED UNDER GENERAL ZONING DISTRICT ESTABLISHED IN THIS
CHAPTER, WHICH ENCOURAGE COMPATIBILITY AND OVERALL SITE
DESIGN AND SCALE BOTH INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL TO THE PROJECT.
WHAT I MEAN BY COMPATIBILITY, FOR ME, THE COMPATIBILITY IS
THE COMPATIBILITY WITH BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT AND HOW THERE
JUST ISN'T ENOUGH IN THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT.
WHICH GOES TO THE SUBSECTION 7, PROMOTING A MORE DESIRABLE
LIVING AND WORKING ENVIRONMENT THAN WOULD BE POSSIBLE

THROUGH THE STRICT APPLICATION OF MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF
OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS.
I JUST BELIEVE WHOLEHEARTEDLY THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH
COMMERCIAL IN THIS DEVELOPMENT WHEN IT'S SHOWN THAT
SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENTS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO INCLUDE MORE
COMMERCIAL.
11:32:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
11:32:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I GUESS I'M GOING TO REITERATE MY LACK OF
SUPPORT FOR THE SAME VERY REASON.
IT'S INTERESTING IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, IT DISCUSSES
RESIDENTIAL, BASICALLY MIXED USE WITH COMMERCIAL STOREFRONT,
COMMERCIAL GENERAL USES AND ALL.
BUT IT IS SO DISINGENUOUS BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL
SPACE AND STOREFRONT SPACE IS SO DE MINIMIS, HONEST TO GOD,
LET'S BE HONEST AND CALL IT WHAT IT IS.
THAT'S APARTMENTS ON A VERY IMPORTANT INTERSECTION IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA WITHOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE THINGS THAT
ARE VIBRANT NEIGHBORHOODS IN THESE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS THAT
COUNCILMAN CARLSON TALKED ABOUT SO OFTEN OF CREATING THE
INTERSECTIONS OF VIABILITY AND SOMETHING THAT REALLY IS AN
ASSET TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT AS FAR AS AESTHETICS.
I THINK THAT THE DENSITY AND MASSING OF THE PROJECT IS
APPROPRIATE.

I THINK THAT SOME OF THE MODIFICATIONS THEY MADE, BEING
CONCERNED WITH THE NEIGHBOR WAS WELL THOUGHT OUT AND
INSIGHTFUL.
MY BIGGEST CONCERN, AGAIN, A MAJOR TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR.
VERY IMPORTANT INTERSECTION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
GOD BE WILLING BEFORE I LEAVE HERE, WE'LL HAVE A STREETCAR
ON ITS WAY TO BE IN FRONT OF THIS AND AN INTEGRAL PART OF
TRANSPORTATION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND AS SUCH, IT SHOULD
HAVE AMENITIES BEFITTING ITS LOCATION.
11:34:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
ANYBODY ELSE?
IF NOT, WE GO TO THE APPLICANT.
HELLO, SIR.
11:34:29AM >> MY NAME IS TYLER HUDSON.
400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
IN CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. SHELBY YESTERDAY, WE DID NOT KNOW
WE WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AT ALL TODAY.
IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN A VOTE STARTS AND IT'S 3-3,
YOU IMMEDIATELY GO INTO THE ROLL CALL VOTE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M STANDING HERE.
I'LL SAY THAT BASED ON THE LAST PRESENTATION, I BELIEVE AS A
MATTER OF PURE LAW THAT YOU COULD CHARACTERIZE THIS HEARING
RIGHT NOW AS A FIRST READING.
I WOULD ASK MARTY TO CONFIRM WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS TRUE.
11:35:03AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO.

IT'S BEEN ADVERTISED AS A SECOND READING.
IT'S ALSO PURSUANT TO A TIE VOTE AND THE REMEDY FOR THAT IS
SET FORTH IN THE ADOPTED RULES OF PROCEDURE.
SO I GUESS THE OPPORTUNITY WAS IF THERE WAS SOMETHING YOU
NEEDED TO ADDRESS FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE RECORD, AND WHICH
YOU DID, YOU'RE SAYING AS A MATTER OF LAW THERE SHOULD BE A
FIRST READING?
11:35:28AM >> WE UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF THIS COUNCIL.
WE NEED TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD.
WE ARE GOING TO BE FILING A NON-SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE
DETERMINATION REGARDING RETAIL TO INCREASE IT.
THIS COULD BE CHARACTERIZED AS A FIRST READING AND WE WOULD
ADD IT TO THE REVISION SHEET.
BUT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING SINCE THIS WAS ADVERTISED SECOND
READING, THE LAST HEARING WAS ALSO ADVERTISED AS SECOND
READING, WE CAN'T MAKE THAT CHANGE.
IF COUNCIL WANTS TO ADOPT SPECIFIC CONDITION, ONE WE'RE
WILLING TO PUT ON THE RECORD.
11:36:01AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WELL, THE QUESTION IS IF IT'S YOUR POSITION
THAT THE PROJECT WILL CHANGE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND
READING --
11:36:15AM >> THIS IS SECOND READING.
11:36:17AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS IT YOUR REQUEST WITH SPECIFIC CHANGES
JUST AS WE DID IN THE LAST HEARING TO SET FORTH WHAT THE
CONDITIONS ARE THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE NOT ON A REVISION SHEET

BUT --
11:36:30AM >> AS A MOTION OF COUNCIL, YES.
11:36:32AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS IT YOUR REQUEST THEN TO DO THAT AT THIS
MEETING TO SET FORTH WHAT THE CHANGES WOULD BE?
11:36:38AM >> YES.
11:36:39AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND TO GIVE COUNCIL THE OPTION IF THEY
AGREE TO THOSE CHANGES TO SET IT THEN FOR FIRST READING?
AND THEN HEAR IT WITH THE REVISIONS JUST -- I'M SORRY.
11:36:51AM >> COUNCIL, WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE VOTE ON THE PROJECT AS
IT IS.
ONCE THE QUASI-JUDICIAL PERIOD IS OVER, WE'LL TALK TO YOU
ALL ABOUT WHAT CHANGES MIGHT HAPPEN TO THE PROJECT
AFTERWARDS.
NOTHING HAS CHANGED BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON IS HERE AND READY TO VOTE AND WE WOULD
LIKE TO CALL THE QUESTION.
WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.
THERE CAN BE CHANGES AFTERWARDS IF THEY ARE NON-SUBSTANTIAL.
BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD.
11:37:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, YOU HAD YOUR
MICROPHONE.
11:37:25AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I WAS GOING TO ASK OUR CITY ATTORNEY, IS
THAT EVEN A POSSIBILITY?
BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A GATE.
THIS IS INFRASTRUCTURE.

BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING -- I MEAN, AFTER THE FACT,
IS THAT A POSSIBILITY?
11:37:44AM >>CATE WELLS:
CATE WELLS, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
SO IF TODAY'S VOTE IS A DENIAL, THEN THERE IS NO PROCESS FOR
A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING TO
AN APPROVED SITE PLAN.
IF IT IS APPROVED TODAY, THERE IS THE ABILITY TO FILE A
REQUEST FOR AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL TO DETERMINE WHETHER
CERTAIN CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN ARE OR ARE NOT SUBSTANTIAL
CHANGES.
IF IT'S DETERMINED BY STAFF THAT THE REQUESTED CHANGE IS NOT
SUBSTANTIAL, THEN THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO GET THAT CHANGE
ADMINISTRATIVELY.
IF IT'S DETERMINED TO BE SUBSTANTIAL, IT WOULD REQUIRE THEM
TO COME BACK WITH ANOTHER REZONING.
BUT AT THIS VERY MOMENT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS THEY ARE
PROPOSING TO CHANGE.
AND THEY ARE ASKING COUNCIL TO VOTE ON THE REZONING
APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED AND AS APPROVED AT FIRST READING.
11:38:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
11:38:39AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TYLER, IS THERE ANYTHING -- I THINK I KNOW
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT US
TO ADD TO THE MOTION OR YOU JUST WANT TO WAIT TO DO THE
SUBSTITUTE LATER?
11:38:53AM >> YEAH, TRANSPARENT.

TRY TO GET THE PROJECT APPROVED.
ALREADY FOUR APPLICATIONS TO GO THROUGH.
THIS IS AN EXCEPTIONALLY CHALLENGING PROJECT ON THE MOST
UNDER DEVELOPED PIECE OF LAND IN CITY OF TAMPA.
SUBCHANGE, IF THIS IS A SECOND READING BECAUSE WE HAVE A
VERY SERIOUS TIME CRUNCH.
INTEGRITY IS ALL I HAVE WITH YOU.
WHEN I SAY WE HAVE A TIME CRUNCH, WE HAVE A TIME CRUNCH.
WE HAVE GOT TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS PROJECT.
WILLING TO ADD ANOTHER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL AND
WILLING TO ADD A NOTE TO THE SITE PLAN THAT A SUBCHANGE CAN
NEVER BE USED TO DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF RETAIL.
PEOPLE DO SUBCHANGES ALL THE TIME.
HAPPENS ALL THE TIMES BECAUSE THE PDs ARE VERY, VERY
RIGID.
11:39:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MS. WELLS, IS IT POSSIBLE TO ADD THAT NOW OR
NOT?
11:39:36AM >> THOUSAND SQUARE FEET LESS OF MULTIFAMILY BECAUSE WE'RE
TAKING A PIECE OF THE LOBBY AND MAKE IT ANOTHER 1,000 SQUARE
FEET OF RETAIL FOR AN AGGREGATE TOTAL OF 5500 SQUARE FEET.
LOCKING THE DOOR AND THROWING THE KEY AWAY BECAUSE WE'RE
ADDING A NOTE ABOUT PROHIBITION OF A SUBCHANGE.
IF WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT, AND TODAY IS A FIRST READING
THEN, AND WE'RE FINE DOING A SECOND READING AT SUBSEQUENT
DATE, BUT WE CAN'T COME BACK IN FIVE WEEKS FOR A NEW FIRST

READING.
WE CANNOT DO THAT.
11:40:01AM >>CATE WELLS:
CATE WELLS, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
AS COUNCIL DID WITH THE PREVIOUS REZONING, IF THERE ARE
CONDITIONS THAT THE DEVELOPER WISHES TO ADD TO THE SITE
PLAN, THOSE CAN BE ADDED.
TODAY CAN BE FIRST READING AND THEN IT WOULD COME BACK TO
YOU FOR SECOND READING WITH THE CHANGES SHOWN ON THE SITE
PLAN.
11:40:19AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TYLER, WHAT IS YOUR REQUEST?
11:40:21AM >> WE WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT AND GET THIS DONE.
IF -- HOPEFULLY -- EXCEPTIONS MAKE FOR BAD RULES.
IT IS A WEIRD SITUATION WITH THE VOTE SWITCHING AND ABSENCE.
WE'RE IN THIS PURGATORY.
WE WANT YOU ALL TO APPROVE THE PROJECT THAT YOU SAW THE LAST
TIME AT FIRST READING WITH THE ADDITION OF 1,000 SQUARE FEET
OF RETAIL FOR A TOTAL OF 5500.
THAT IS THE NEW PIECE NUMBER ONE.
NEW PIECE NUMBER TWO IS AN ADDITION.
WE HAVE THE TEXT.
THE RED NOTE THERE, WHICH CAN PUT INTO THE RECORD
PROHIBITING THE UTILIZATION OF NON-SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE
DETERMINATION APPLICATION TO CONVERT RETAIL TO MULTIFAMILY.
11:41:08AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU WANT THIS TO BE SECOND READING, RIGHT?
11:41:11AM >> NO, WE ARE FINE WITH THIS BEING -- IF YOU CAN DO THIS BY

SECOND READING, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO THAT BECAUSE THE
REVISION SHEET.
YOU CAN'T.
THIS IS THE FIRST READING NOW IF YOU GUYS ADOPT THIS.
THAT'S WHAT WE UNDERSTAND.
YES, WE ARE OKAY WITH THAT, YES.
11:41:59AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. THOMAS HAS HANDED ME THREE PAGES.
IT SAYS REVISED REVISION SHEET DATED JANUARY 23, 2025.
11:42:07AM >>SAMUEL THOMAS:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
MYSELF AND THE APPLICANTS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS IN
PREPARATION FOR THIS.
THEY SENT ME THE REVISIONS AHEAD OF TIME THIS WEEK.
WE HAVE REVIEWED THEM.
WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE REVISIONS AND THEY CAN ADD THEM
BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
WE CAN REVIEW THEM EVEN FURTHER AND MAKE SURE THERE ARE NO
ADDITIONAL MODIFICATIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE.
11:42:26AM >> CAN YOU REMIND ME OF THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE --
11:42:31AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
5,500.
EXCUSE ME, I'M NOT GOING TO TESTIFY.
MR. THOMAS, THAT'S SOMETHING STAFF SHOULD BE ABLE TO TELL
YOU BASED ON WHAT'S IN THE RECORD.
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR IT IN THE RECORD, PLEASE, SO THAT ALL
THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HEAR IT.
11:42:42AM >> TOTAL GROSS SQUARE FOOT -- TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE IS

247,086 SQUARE FEET.
11:42:52AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHAT DOES THAT NUMBER REPRESENT?
11:42:53AM >>SAMUEL THOMAS:
ENTIRE GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE
DEVELOPMENT.
11:43:00AM >> RETAIL WAS 4,000 GOING, ADDING ANOTHER --
11:43:04AM >>SAMUEL THOMAS:
RETAIL WAS 4,500.
THEY ARE INCREASING IT BY 1,000 TO MAKE IT 5,500.
11:43:15AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THIS IS THE LOCATION THAT USED TO BE A
WAREHOUSE.
ACROSS THE STREET IS A BICYCLE SHOP.
I WAS GOING TO VOTE FOR IT.
I'LL TELL YOU WHY.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT HISTORY, YBOR CITY AND DOWNTOWN WERE THE
ONLY TWO SHOPPING AREAS YOU COULD BUY AT ONE TIME.
ALL OF A SUDDEN BRITTON PLAZA COMES AND NORTH GATE COMES AND
THEY ARE BOTH YBOR CITY AND WEST TAMPA DEMISE, NOTHING.
WENT TO HELL.
ALL OF IT.
THEN THE OTHER TWO THAT WERE OPEN, BRITTON PLAZA AND NORTH
GATE, THE MALLS COME IN.
WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM?
THE SAME THING HAPPENED IN YBOR CITY AND DOWNTOWN.
NOW WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE ONES THAT ARE MALLS?
THEY ARE GOING UP TO HERE.
YOU KNOW WHY?

BECAUSE YOU CAN PICK UP THE PHONE AND THE NEXT DAY THEY
DELIVER TO YOUR HOUSE.
IT'S A DIFFERENT WORLD WE'RE LIVING IN.
AND I LOVE THE STREETCAR.
I HOPE IT COMES BACK WITH 50 SOME MILES WE HAD BEFORE.
HOWEVER, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVER GOING TO HAPPEN.
I'LL VOTE FOR IT BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S EVER GOING TO
HAPPEN.
THAT'S WHY I WAS GOING TO VOTE FOR IT.
WE'RE BASING ON IDEAS THAT ARE MAYBE GOOD, BUT FROM MY
HISTORY AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE RETAIL BUSINESS HAS DONE,
COST $48, DELIVERED TO ME IN SEVEN DAYS.
IT'S GOING DOWNHILL WHETHER I LIKE IT OR NOT, THAT'S NOT MY
DECISION TO MAKE.
THE PUBLIC MAKES THE DECISION TO MAKE.
IT'S GETTING TOUGHER AND TOUGHER TO MAKE THINGS SUCCEED IN
DIFFERENT AREAS.
THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY.
WHEN YOU HAVE PARKING REDUCTION, DO YOU REALLY THINK PEOPLE
WILL LEAVE THEIR CARS HOMES?
I DON'T.
BUT WE HAVE PARKING REDUCTIONS THAT WE GIVE AWAY.
SO THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY.
THANK YOU.
11:45:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. THOMAS.

ANYTHING TO ADD?
11:45:23AM >>SAMUEL THOMAS:
THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY TO ADD TO THE
REVISION SHEET AS WELL IS UPDATE ON THE SITE PLAN ITSELF TO
SHOW THE CHANGE WHERE THE ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE IS GOING
TO BE SHOWN.
NEVER MIND.
I WAS TOLD IT IS NOT RELEVANT.
11:46:02AM >>SAMUEL THOMAS:
DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THE LOBBY IS ON FLORIDA AVENUE, IN BETWEEN THE TWO RETAIL
SPOTS, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
11:46:15AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
11:46:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
DO WE TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS, MR. SHELBY?
11:46:28AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
11:46:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY HERE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES
TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM?
IF NOT, I'LL GO TO REBUTTAL.
11:46:41AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
[INAUDIBLE] -- REVISIONS BETWEEN FIRST AND
SECOND READING.
11:46:48AM >> TYLER HUDSON, FOR THE RECORD.
I THINK IT'S ALL BEEN SAID.
NOTHING FURTHER ON REBUTTAL.
WE ACCEPT THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED JUST NOW.
THANK YOU.
11:46:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE?

WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
WHO WOULD LIKE TO READ THIS ITEM?
THIS IS 51.
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
11:47:12AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MARTY, YOU HAVE TO REMIND ME WHAT TO ADD.
MOTION GOES TO FIRST READING?
11:47:17AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THIS IS NOW ON FOR FIRST READING
CONSIDERATION.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS AND THE REVISION SHEET AS PRESENTED TO
STAFF.
11:47:28AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MOVE 51, FILE REZ-24-52, ORDINANCE PRESENTED
FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 205,
207 AND 209 EAST COLUMBUS DRIVE, 2301, 2303, 2307 AND 2315
NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE, 204 AND 206 EAST AMELIA AVENUE AND
FOLIO NUMBER 191372-0000 IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND
MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING
DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RM 24, RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY AND
CI, COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE, TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT,
STOREFRONT RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL, ALL COMMERCIAL GENERAL
USES, COMMERCIAL PARKING, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, PLUS
THE REVISION SHEET.

11:48:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
CARLSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:48:22AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:48:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
11:48:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
11:48:27AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
NO.
11:48:29AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:48:30AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
11:48:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:48:33AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK, HENDERSON, AND
MIRANDA VOTING NO.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON FEBRUARY 20th,
2025, AT 10:00 A.M. IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, 315 EAST
KENNEDY BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
11:48:49AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
COUNCIL, THE RESOLUTION REGARDING THE BONUS
PROVISION AGREEMENT WILL TRAVEL WITH THAT TO COME BACK AT
SECOND READING.
11:48:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE'LL MOVE THAT AT SECOND READING.
11:48:58AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
11:48:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE NOW HAVE A VACATING POSITION ON ITEM 52.
MR. WIGGINTON, ARE YOU TAKING THAT UP?
11:49:11AM >> NO, SIR.

STAFF SHOULD BE ONLINE AND GIVE THE FIRST PRESENTATION.
11:49:17AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
11:49:25AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MR. COTTON, REALLY FAST, IF I MAY, I HAVE A
12:30 APPOINTMENT FOR THE CITY WITH FIRE AND CHIEF BENNETT.
JUST FYI, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THIS WILL RUN.
11:49:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
I'M KIDDING.
GO AHEAD, MR. COTTON.
WERE YOU SWORN IN, SIR?
11:49:44AM >>ERIC COTTON:
YES, SIR.
11:49:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD.
11:49:46AM >>ERIC COTTON:
CAN YOU SEE THE PRESENTATION ON THE SCREEN?
11:49:49AM >> THEY'LL MAKE IT BIGGER FOR US IN JUST A SECOND.
I KNOW IT'S COMING.
WAIT, THEY ARE WORKING ON IT.
BRINGING IT UP.
VACATING REQUEST.
GO AHEAD, SIR.
11:50:02AM >>ERIC COTTON:
YES, SIR, ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION, HERE WITH PATRICK FROM THE RIGHT-OF-WAY
DEPARTMENT.
THIS IS A VACATING FOR VAC 24-16 FOR PROPERTY GENERALLY
LOCATED AT 2039 EAST MULBERRY DRIVE.
THAT IS 16,000-SQUARE-FOOT VACATING.

AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, THIS IS THE PROPOSED VACATING
REQUEST.
BASICALLY IT IS A PORTION OF MULBERRY DRIVE REQUESTED TO BE
VACATED, SOUTH OF BIRD, EAST OF 19th AND ADJACENT TO THE
RAILROAD WEST OF ROWLETT PARK.
THE APPLICATION WAS FILED WITH OUR OFFICE ON JUNE 18 AND THE
GOAL IS TO ACCURATELY REFLECT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
IN THE STAFF REPORT, THERE WAS A NOTE THAT SAYS THE ROAD WAS
NOT BUILT ON THE PLATTED RIGHT-OF-WAY, BUILT ACROSS PRIVATE
PROPERTY.
I BELIEVE JONATHAN SCOTT FROM MOBILITY IS HERE TO ADDRESS
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC ISSUE.
THERE IS A CITY-OWNED LOT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MULBERRY
DRIVE REQUESTED TO BE VACATED.
THIS IS THE AERIAL OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
PETITIONER'S PROPERTY IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.
THE PART THAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO BE VACATED IS YELLOW.
THIS IS A LOOK AT THE PROPERTY FROM EAST MULBERRY DRIVE,
LOOKING SOUTHWEST.
THIS IS SOUTHEAST FROM MULBERRY, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY
VACANT.
STAFF HAD NO OBJECTIONS TO THE VACATING REQUEST.
THERE ARE EASEMENT REQUESTS FROM BOTH WATER, TRANSPORTATION,
AND WASTEWATER.
WHEN IT COMES TO DEVELOPMENT -- FROM NATURAL RESOURCES, THEY

HAVE TO COMPLY WITH CHAPTER 27 REGARDS TO TREE PRESERVATION
AND SITE DESIGN.
I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'RE HERE TO ASSIST.
11:51:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. COTTON?
NO.
IS THERE AN APPLICANT?
YES, SIR, COME ON UP.
11:52:06AM >> HARVEY FOR THE APPLICANT.
THANK YOU, MR. COTTON, FOR COVERING WHAT I BELIEVE SHOULD
HOPEFULLY BE THE MOST STRAIGHTFORWARD THING THE COUNCIL
HEARS THIS MORNING.
TO DRIVE THE POINT HOME A LITTLE BIT, THIS IS THE 1927 PLAT
FOR THE AREA.
THE HIGHLIGHTED AREA IS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY APPLICANT IS
SEEKING TO VACATE.
TO BE A LITTLE MORE CLEAR ABOUT THE MISALIGNMENT THAT
APPLICANT IS REFERENCING, YOU CAN SEE THE GRAY, WHICH IS THE
CURRENT PAVED RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THEN THE PINK, WHICH IS THE
PLATTED RIGHT-OF-WAY.
FRANKLY, IT'S JUST NOT WHERE THE ORIGINAL PLAT WAS SET AND
IT'S IMPACTING THE APPLICANT.
LASTLY, I BELIEVE EVERYONE HAS SEEN THIS IMAGE FROM STAFF,
BUT JUST A CLEAR-COLOR IMAGE OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY TO BE
VACATED OR REQUESTING TO BE VACATED.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
11:53:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
SIR, ARE YOU PART OF THE APPLICATION OR PUBLIC COMMENT?
11:53:09AM >> THIS IS THE APPLICANT HIMSELF.
11:53:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHAT IS YOUR NAME?
11:53:12AM >> MIKE CHARLES.
11:53:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD?
11:53:15AM >> IT'S BEEN A LONG --
11:53:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE COME UP TO THE CENTER SO THE
MICROPHONE PICKS YOU UP.
11:53:19AM >> IT'S BEEN A LONG PROCESS.
WE APPRECIATE FINALLY GETTING IT SQUARED AWAY.
IT IS A REAL PROCESS TO GET IT DONE, AND WE'RE FINALLY
FINISHED.
11:53:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
11:53:32AM >> NOW WE CAN BUILD HOUSES AND YOU GUYS CAN TAX THEM AND
SPEND THE MONEY.
11:53:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE'RE CAPPED AT 3%.
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK?
YES, MA'AM, COME ON UP.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:54:06AM >> GOOD MORNING, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I PROBABLY DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS, MAYBE.
WHAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, AND I SENT E-MAILS AND I TALKED
TO RON WIGGINTON YESTERDAY.

THIS IS THE STAFF REPORT.
THE STAFF REPORT SAYS -- IT SAYS STORMWATER, BUT MR. COTTON
JUST PRESENTED THAT WASTEWATER, WATER AND SOMETHING ELSE
WERE ON THERE, BUT NOT STORMWATER.
BUT THEN WHEN I LOOK IN ACCELA, WHICH YOU GUYS ARE NOT
ALLOWED TO DO, I SEE THAT THIS PART IS CUT OFF AND
STORMWATER SAYS YOU CAN'T VACATE THIS PART.
BUT I DIDN'T SEE A MAP PUT UP THERE THAT WAS RETAINING THIS
PART OF THIS EASEMENT.
I HAVE A HUGE PROCEDURAL ISSUE CALLED THE NOTIFICATION THAT
GOES OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT GO IN ACCELA.
IT ONLY GOES TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
SO IF I WERE TO LIVE NEXT DOOR TO THIS PROPERTY AND I GET
THIS LETTER IN THE MAIL, I DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE GOT IT.
I HAVE NO WAY OF TELLING WHO ELSE RECEIVED THAT LETTER.
THIS SHOULD BE FILED IN ACCELA ALONG WITH THE ADDRESS
BECAUSE IN PERPETUITY, EVEN IF IT'S OnBase, YOU CAN'T GO
AND FIND IT BY THE ADDRESS.
EVERYTHING THAT PERTAINS TO THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY VACATION,
WHATEVER IT IS, SHOULD BE IN ACCELA.
IF IT HAPPENS IN THE CITY, IT SHOULD BE IN ACCELA.
BECAUSE PEOPLE NEED TO BE ABLE TO GO AND FIND THESE THINGS
LATER.
WHY WOULD PUBLIC NOTICE NOT BE IN ACCELA?
IT WAS NUMBER 13 OF THE 14 DOCUMENTS THAT WERE IN THERE.

I DIDN'T SEE ANY DOCUMENTS.
I JUST WENT BACK THROUGH, THAT SAW THIS PORTION TAKEN AWAY
FROM THAT.
MR. COTTON JUST SHOWED YOU A MAP THAT LOOKED THE SAME EXACT
SHAPE AS THIS.
IT DIDN'T LOOK ANY DIFFERENT.
WHEN I TALKED TO PATRICK YESTERDAY, I ASKED HIM ABOUT THIS,
AND HE SAYS, AND HE WAS VERY FRUSTRATED WITH ME BECAUSE I
KNEW AND HE KNEW THAT HE COULDN'T DO ANYTHING TO CHANGE THIS
CRAPPY PROCESS OF IT NOT GOING INTO ACCELA.
BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S OUT THERE FOR PERPETUITY,
BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU ALL, BUT EVERY TIME I SEARCH
OnBase AND BEFORE THAT WHATEVER IT WAS BEFORE THAT, IT
SUCKS TO SEARCH THOSE.
IT'S AWFUL.
IT IS HORRIFIC.
I HAVE A 300-PAGE DOCUMENT AT HOME WHERE I HAVE MY OWN
ROLLING SEARCH SO THAT I CAN FIND THINGS THAT HAPPENED AT
CITY COUNCIL TWO YEARS AGO OR THREE YEARS AGO BECAUSE IT'S
SO BAD TO TRY AND FIND STUFF.
I'M NOT THE ONLY PERSON WHO THINKS THAT.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THESE DOCUMENTS ARE NOT ALL UPLOADED
IN ACCELA TO INCLUDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD NOTIFICATION BECAUSE
YOU HAVE NEIGHBORS WHO WERE NOTIFIED AND HAD NO IDEA THAT
THEY WEREN'T THE ONLY ONES WHO GOT THE LETTER.

YOU HAD NEIGHBORS WHO WERE NOTIFIED WHO HAVE NO IDEA WHO
THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT WERE NOTIFIED.
I HAVE A BIG ISSUE WITH THAT BECAUSE WHAT IS THE POINT IN
HAVING A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IF THE NEIGHBOR DOES NOT
HAVE ACCESS TO THE INFORMATION? I'M JUST SAYING.
SOMEBODY NEEDS TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT THIS SITE PLAN IS GOING
TO LOOK LIKE OF WHAT THEY ARE GIVING AWAY.
11:57:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO
SPEAK?
DO YOU HAVE REBUTTAL, SIR?
BEFORE YOU REBUT, COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
11:57:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF ABOUT THIS
VACATING REVIEW COMMENT SHEET FROM ALEX AWAD THAT SAYS
VACATING IS NOT ALLOWED ON PART OF THIS.
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
11:57:40AM >> RON WIGGINTON, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
THAT WAS THEIR ORIGINAL REVIEW OF THE APPLICATION.
THEY HAVE SINCE REVIEWED IT AGAIN AND HAS MADE THEIR
COMMENTS -- REVISED THEIR COMMENTS TO NO OBJECTION AS IS
SHOWN IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT WAS UPLOADED.
YOU'LL SEE HERE, REVISED CHANGE TO NO OBJECTION AND NO
EASEMENTS REQUESTED.
11:58:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT MOBILITY DOES.
11:58:08AM >>RON WIGGINTON:
MS. POYNOR PROVIDED WAS PRIOR TO THIS

REVISION TO THEIR REPORT.
11:58:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT CHANGED?
11:58:18AM >>RON WIGGINTON:
I BELIEVE THEY REVIEWED IT AND NO
FACILITIES FOR STORMWATER THAT WERE IN THIS AREA.
AND THERE'S NO RESERVATION OF EASEMENT, SO THEY WOULD NOT
HAVE HAD ANY FACILITIES HERE.
11:58:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
THANK YOU.
11:58:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MS. FEELEY?
NO.
REBUTTAL FROM THE GENTLEMAN.
11:58:34AM >> HARVEY HALPRIN FOR THE APPLICANT.
I WANT TO BRIEFLY MENTION THAT I APPRECIATE THE CITIZEN'S
INTEREST IN TRANSPARENCY.
HOWEVER, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANYTHING SUBSTANTIVE THAT
AFFECTS THE APPLICATION.
THANK YOU ALL.
11:58:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
SECOND FROM VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, WOULD YOU MIND READING 52?
11:58:57AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I WOULD NOT MIND READING IT, CHAIR.
FILE VAC-24-16, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING

CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA,
VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING AND ABANDONING THAT PORTION
OF MULBERRY DRIVE RIGHT-OF-WAY LOCATED NORTH OF THE
HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, SOUTH OF BIRD STREET, EAST OF 19th
STREET AND WEST OF ROWLETT PARK DRIVE, WITHIN THE PLATS OF
KATHRYN PARK AND FERN CLIFF SUBDIVISIONS IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY
DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN COVENANTS,
CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH
HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES FOR
VIOLATIONS, PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS AND
REPEALING CONFLICTS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING
AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:59:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
HENDERSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:59:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
11:59:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
11:59:54AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
11:59:55AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:59:57AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:59:58AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:59:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:00:02PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK VOTING NO.

SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON FEBRUARY 20,
2025, AT 10:00 A.M. IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, 315 EAST
KENNEDY BOULEVARD, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
12:00:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
12:00:16PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
ARE WE GOING FOR LUNCH NOW?
I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GOING TO BE BACK.
SOME FAMILY THINGS.
MAY I MAKE TWO QUICK MOTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I MENTIONED THEM BEFORE.
I MOTION FOR INFORMATION ON HOW AND WHERE THE DISABILITY
INTERNSHIP POSITIONS ARE BEING ADVERTISED FOR THE NUMBER OF
APPLICANTS SUBMITTED AND THE EFFORT THAT HAS BEEN MADE
INTERDEPARTMENTALLY TO IDENTIFY OPPORTUNITIES FOR
PLACEMENTS.
THAT INCLUDES INQUIRIES WITH EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT ON
THEIR AVAILABILITY AND WILLINGNESS TO HAVE AN INTERN.
I WOULD ASK FOR THIS REPORT TO BE BROUGHT BACK ON MARCH 6 OF
THIS YEAR.
DO WE HAVE SPACE -- IT WAS MEANT TO BE WRITTEN.
12:01:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.

ANY OPPOSED.
12:01:07PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THE SECOND ONE, THIS IS WRITTEN AS WELL ON THE
SAME DATE.
MOTION FOR ANY REMAINING MONEY -- SO LONG STORY SHORT, WE
HAD APPROPRIATED I THINK IT WAS HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN
THE BUDGET FOR THIS INTERNSHIP PROGRAM.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE'RE SPENDING ALL OF IT.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE IF IT DOESN'T GET SPENT, IT
GOES INTO THE GIANT BLACK HOLE.
I MOTION FOR THE REMAINING MONEY OF THE DISABILITY
INTERNSHIP PROGRAM FUNDING FOR THIS YEAR TO BE GIVEN TO THE
MacDONALD TRAINING CENTER, WHICH WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH
AND CUP, WHO WE ARE ALL I BELIEVE FAMILIAR WITH AND STAFF TO
PROVIDE A WRITTEN REPORT, UPDATE TO THIS REQUEST ON THE
FEASIBILITY OF IT AND THEIR POSITION ON THAT.
I'M GOING TO DO IT AT THE JULY 17 MEETING BECAUSE BY THEN
WE'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT IT IS.
I DO WANT TO STATE, MR. SHELBY, MY BROTHER, JUAN VIERA, IS A
CLIENT OF McDONALD TRAINING CENTER.
THAT DOESN'T POSE -- I'VE DISCLOSED THAT BEFORE, DOESN'T DO
A CONFLICT BUT I WANT TO SAY THAT AGAIN.
12:02:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THE MOTION?
12:02:14PM >>THE CLERK:
[INAUDIBLE]
12:02:15PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, JUST A WRITTEN REPORT ON THE AMOUNT OF
MONEY THAT'S BEEN SPENT AND THEN THE FEASIBILITY OF

PROCEEDING WITH THAT.
12:02:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
HURTAK, CARLSON, CLENDENIN.
12:02:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M FINE WITH GETTING JUST A REPORT, BUT WE
SHOULD REALLY BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT.
THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE COMING BACK
BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT OVERAGES AND I
CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHEN IT IS.
I THINK WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADD IT TO THAT.
I WISH I COULD REMEMBER EXACTLY WHEN.
I THINK IT IS THE 27th OF FEBRUARY DURING A WORKSHOP.
12:02:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MAKE THE MOTION AND MODIFY IT FOR
27th.
12:03:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
COUNCIL MEMBERS TO GO THROUGH THE DOCUMENTS
PROVIDED BY THE BUDGET OFFICE AND COME UP WITH QUESTIONS
ABOUT THE MONEY THAT WAS LEFT OVER IN FY '24.
12:03:12PM >>LUIS VIERA:
HOW ABOUT THIS?
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION FOR JULY JUST SO THAT WE HAVE IT
SPECIFIC TO THAT BUT I WILL INQUIRE THAT DATE.
12:03:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SEND THAT QUESTION TO MS. KOPESKY SO SHE HAS
IT AND IS WORKING ON IT.
12:03:25PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, MA'AM.
12:03:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND CLENDENIN.
12:03:28PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CONSIDERING WHAT WE SAW THIS MORNING ABOUT

THE RESULTS OF THE CITY'S PROGRAM, WHY COULDN'T WE FORCE THE
CITY SOMEHOW TO SET UP A FUND SO WE COULD MOVE THIS TO NEXT
YEAR SO WE CAN HELP MORE PEOPLE IN THE CITY?
NOT THAT THE NONPROFITS AREN'T GREAT PLACES BUT YOU
DEMONSTRATED THIS MORNING THAT EFFECTIVENESS OF THE PROGRAM,
IT SEEMS TO ME, IF THERE WAS MONEY LEFT OVER, WE WOULD WANT
TO HELP MORE PEOPLE IN THE CITY.
12:03:53PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SURE.
REASONABLE POINT TO MAKE ON THE OTHER SIDE, SO TO SPEAK.
AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING FUNDED AGAIN FOR NEXT YEAR.
I'LL MAKE SURE OF THAT, RIGHT, BUT IF WE DON'T FORCE THE
HAND ON PROCEEDING WITH THIS AND MAKE SURE THAT THE MONEY
THAT WE ALREADY APPROPRIATED GOES TO THE SAME RESULTS, THEN
I THINK WE WILL BE SHORTCHANGING OURSELVES.
THAT IS MY MOTION, BUT IT WILL BE FUNDED AGAIN NEXT YEAR.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DONE RIGHT.
BECAUSE THESE PROGRAMS, PEOPLE WITH SPECIAL NEEDS SERVING
COFFEE.
MacDONALD'S TRAINING CENTER GOES TO THE SAME THING SO IT
WOULD GO TO THE SAME PURPOSE.
AGAIN, WE WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT MONEY IS LEFT OVER.
12:04:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CLENDENIN.
12:04:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT NEXT YEAR IS GOING
TO BRING.
OBVIOUSLY WE'LL SEE DRAMATIC IMPACTS ON REVENUE BECAUSE OF

THE HURRICANES.
THAT BUDGET IS GOING TO BE VERY INTERESTING NEXT YEAR.
SO I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY GUARANTEE ANYBODY BANK FROM THE
CITY OF TAMPA NEXT YEAR BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY,
VERY, VERY, VERY TOUGH YEAR.
I'M JUST ANTICIPATING THAT.
THAT BEING SAID, I APPRECIATE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK BRINGING
ABOUT THIS IS A LARGER PICTURE.
I'M FULLY FINE WITH WHAT YOU ASKED FOR AS FAR AS A REPORT
AND WHERE THE MONEY IS BEING SPENT.
AS FAR AS REALLOCATION OF RESOURCES AND THINGS WE'VE DONE, I
THINK THAT HAS TO BE A MUCH LARGER DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE
HAVE TO DO DUE DILIGENCE.
I'VE HAD FAMILIAR FAMILY CONNECTIONS TO McDONALD'S
TRAINING CENTER AS WELL AND APPRECIATE THE MISSION THEY DO
BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE A COMPREHENSIVE DISCUSSION.
12:05:22PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ON MY MOTION.
NUMBER ONE, HAVE THE REPORT COME BACK ON JULY 17 ON WHAT HAS
BEEN SPENT.
AND THEN FOR THE SURPLUS OVER THAT AMOUNT TO GO, THE
FEASIBILITY OF IT GOING TO THESE ORGANIZATIONS AND WE CAN
HAVE A DISCUSSION IN THE MEANWHILE.
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I'LL DO, BECAUSE I IDENTIFIED THESE TWO
OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
MY MOTION WILL BE TO HAVE THE SURPLUS OF IT GO TO

ORGANIZATIONS LIKE McDONALD'S TRAINING CENTER, LIKE CUP
THAT PROMOTE JOB OPPORTUNITIES AND TRAINING FOR PEOPLE WITH
INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES AND SPECIAL NEEDS.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE DISPUTED IN
ANY WAY.
12:06:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
WE ARE IN RECESS UNTIL 1:35 P.M.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
[LUNCH RECESS]
I ADDED FIVE MINUTES.

01:36:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL MEETING BACK TO ORDER.
01:36:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
01:36:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
01:36:35PM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
01:36:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
01:36:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
01:36:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
01:36:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
01:36:43PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I SAID I WASN'T GOING TO BE BACK, BUT I AM.
I MET WITH SOME FOLKS ON THIS -- YOU ALL REMEMBER WE PASSED
A MOTION IN CITY COUNCIL SUPPORTING LOCAL 754 ON THIS PUBLIC
RECORDS REQUEST.
WITHOUT GETTING INTO IT, WE ARE STILL WORK ON IT.
BUT I DO BELIEVE IN HAVING DEADLINES ON THINGS.
SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
I DO MOTION -- NUMBER ONE, FEBRUARY 6.
AND ON THAT DAY, BECAUSE I DO HAVE ONE STAFF REPORT, I MOTION
-- LET ME FIRST -- I INTEND TO MOTION TO MOVE MY MOTION FOR
LOCAL CEMETERIES CLEANING FROM FEBRUARY 6 TO MARCH 27.
I WILL DO THAT SECONDLY AFTER THIS ONE PASSES IF IT DOES.
SO I WILL BE MAKING ROOM ON AGENDA FOR THAT IN KEEPING WITH
OUR RULES.
THAT IS NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO IS, I MOTION FOR THE APPROPRIATE CITY OF TAMPA
DEPARTMENTS TO COME AND BRIEF CITY COUNCIL ON THE RESOLUTION
OF THE CITY PUBLIC RECORD OF LOCAL 574 FIRE FIGHTERS.
YEAR END, REPRESENTIVES OF THE ADMINISTRATION AND
TAMPA FEE RESCUE AND LOCAL 754 WILL BE PRESENT FOR IT.
I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN RESOLVE THIS ISSUE BEFORE.
BUT IF WE DON'T, I WANT THIS AS A TIMELINE, A DEADLINE.
AND SECOND, I WILL BE MOTIONING TO TAKE THAT OFF SO WE HAVE
TIME ON THE AGENDA.
01:38:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
01:38:09PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
AND THEN --
01:38:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND WAS CARLSON.
01:38:16PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SECONDLY, I MOVE MY MOTION FOR REPORT ON
CLEANING OF LOCAL CEMETERIES FROM THIS FEBRUARY DATE TO
MARCH 27 CONSISTENT WITH THE RULES.
01:38:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
01:38:31PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
THAT DAY WE HAVE A NUMBER OF FIRE ITEMS INCLUDING FOR
STATION 24.
AND HOPEFULLY GETTING THAT BY OCTOBER.
AND A COUPLE OF OTHER ISSUES AND WHAT NOT.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
I WILL BE TRUE TO MY WORD AND LEAVE.
THANK YOU.
01:38:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE HAVE OUR 1:30 PUBLIC HEARINGS WE NEED TO OPEN UP.
CAN I GET MOTION TO OPEN OUR 1:30?
MOTION BY CLENDENIN.
SECONDED BY CARLSON.
01:39:00PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU CAN, A MOTION TO
RECEIVE AND FILE THE EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS, IF ANY, OF ANY
THAT HAVE BEEN FILED.
01:39:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION.
01:39:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO WE HAVE ANY?
SHELBY NO EX-PARTE OR VERBAL COMMUNICATIONS.
NONE?
OKAY.
01:39:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE -- YOU JUST
MAKE -- ALL RIGHT.
01:39:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO MOVED.
01:39:24PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SECOND.
01:39:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN SWORN IN AND
SPEAKING ON ITEM NUMBER 53, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT
HAND AND WE WILL SWEAR YOU IN.
[SWEARING IN]
01:39:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NOBODY ELSE IS SPEAKING ON THIS ITEM?
OKAY, MR. COTTON, PRESENT 53.
01:39:55PM >>ERIC COTTON:
YES, SIR.
01:39:56PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
IF I MAY, CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE
FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
GOOD AFTERNOON.
ITEM NUMBER 53 IS A REVIEW HEARING FOR THE APPLICATION SU
124-76 FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 6801 NORTH ORLEANS
AVENUE.
THIS IS BROUGHT ON BEHALF OF THE PETITIONER, DANIELLE MAZZA.
SHE FILED AN APPLICATION WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA REQUESTING
FOR AN EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCE AT HER PROPERTY.
STAFF DENIED THE REQUEST ON MAY 16 OF 2024.
ON THE BASIS THAT THE APPLICATION DID NOT MEET THE CODE
CRITERIA OUTLINED IN 27-132 WHICH IS THE SPECIFIC
REQUIREMENTS FOR AN EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCE.
STAFF WILL EXPLAIN TO YOU THE REASON -- THE BASIS OF THE
DENIAL.
BUT IN SUM MISSION, THEY DENIED THE APPLICATION BECAUSE IT
DID NOT -- THE EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCE DID NOT MEET THE
SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
AND I PROVIDED YOU COPIES OF 27-61 IN YOUR PACKET, AND TAMPA
CITY STAFF PROVIDED NEW THEIR STAFF REPORT COPIES OF 27-132,
TH EREGULATIONS FOR EARNING THE SPECIFIC USES FOR SPECIFICALLY
THE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE.
27-129 WHICH ARE THE GENERAL STANDARDS.
AND 27-130, WHICH ARE THE CONDITIONS AND SAFEGUARD.
I ALSO PROVIDED COPIES OF THE SAMPLE MOTION AND THE RULES OF
PROCEDURE FOR CITY COUNCIL TO -- TO CONDUCT THIS REVIEW
HEARING.
AS OUTLINED IN CODE SECTION 27-61, SUBSECTIONS J-3.
CITY COUNCIL SHOULD CONDUCT A DE NOVO.
GOING TO BE A DE NOVO STANDARD OF REVIEW, WHICH MEANS YOU ARE
NOT LIMITED TO THE INFORMATION OR DOCUMENTATION OR THE
EVIDENCE ORIGINALLY PROVIDED BY STAFF.
YOU CAN SEE NEW INFORMATION.
STAFF IS -- IS ONLINE TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE
APPLICATION.
AND AFTER CITY COUNCIL HEARS ALL THE EVIDENCE CITY COUNCIL
CAN TAKE ONE OF TWO ACTIONS, CONFIRM THE ZONING
ADMINISTRATOR AND DENY THE SPECIAL USE APPLICATION FOR
EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCE.
OR CITY COUNCIL CAN OVERTURN THE DECISION OF THE ZONING
ADMINISTRATOR AND, THEREFORE, APPROVE THE APPLICATION FOR
THE EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCE.
WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MR. COTTON.
01:42:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. COTTON, STATE YOUR NAME.
01:42:26PM >>ERIC COTTON:
ERIC COTTON.
I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE MY SCREEN BRIEFLY.
AND --
01:42:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MAKE IT BIGGER NOW.
IT IS COMING.
01:42:47PM >>ERIC COTTON:
ERIC COTTON, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
MISS CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE INDICATED SU-14-76 FOR NORTH
ORLEANS AVENUE.
AGAIN, THE ZONING IS RS-50.
COUNCILMAN ALREADY SAID THAT.
BUT ZONING IS RS-50.
IN THAT DISTRICT, CORNER OF HIAWATHA AND NEW ORLEANS -- OR
NORTH ORLEANS, EXCUSE ME.
SO THIS -- THIS IS THE SITE PLAN SUBMITTED FOR THE
APPLICATION.
YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE IS LOCATED ONLY ABOUT A
LITTLE OVER TEN FEET FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE.
AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, NOT INCLUDED IN THE USE OF THE
EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCE, THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE ITSELF HAS
TO BE BACK 60 FEET FROM THE BACK PROPERTY LINE.
EXISTING HOUSE IS ACCEPT WAITED BETWEEN THE TWO TREES AND
PUSHED TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY WHICH LIMITS THE ABILITY
TO PLACE THIS IN THE 60-FOOT -- MEETING THE 60-FOOT SETBACK.
SO -- YOU CAN SEE IT IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
YOU SEE THE WALLS ARE STARTING TO BE PUT UP.
SO IT WAS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED IS THE BASIS OF THE DENIAL.
THE STRUCTURE DOES NOT MEET THE 60-FOOT SETBACK.
ONLY AT 10.1 FEET.
YOU EXPECT GET A VARIANCE OR ANY OTHER ADMINISTRATIVE
PROCESS TO REDUCE THE SETBACKS BECAUSE OF THIS CODE SECTION.
STAFF HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO DENY THE REQUEST.
IF COUNCIL WERE TO OVERTURN THE DENIAL BY STAFF, ESSENTIALLY
WILL BE GRANTING -- I WILL USE THE TERM "VARIANCE" FROM THE
60 FEET TO THE 10 FEET.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
01:44:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
01:44:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN?
01:44:44PM >>ERIC COTTON:
YES, MA'AM.
01:44:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THE ADDRESS OF THIS
HOUSE IS 6801 NORTH ORLEANS.
SO THAT MEANS THE HOUSE WOULD HAVE TO FRONT NORTH ORLEANS.
DOES IT NOT FRONT NORTH ORLEANS?
01:44:58PM >>ERIC COTTON:
NO, MA'AM.
THE ADDRESS -- THE ZONING FRONT BY CHAPTER 27 IS NARROWEST
PORTION OF THE LOT.
CONSIDERED THE FRONT YARD.
REGARDLESS WHERE THE FRONT DOOR IS ORIENTED OR HOW IT IS
ADDRESSED.
01:45:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHY DOESN'T IT HAVE A HIAWATHA ADDRESS?
01:45:17PM >>ERIC COTTON:
ADDRESS ASSIGNED 6801.
BECAUSE THAT IS PROBABLY HOW THE HOUSE IS ORIENTED FOR ITS
FRONT DOOR BUT DOES NOT AFFECT THE FRONT YARD BASED ON THE
ZONING CODE.
01:45:28PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I SEE.
TECHNICALLY FOR THE ORIENTATION OF THIS HOUSE, IT IS A SIDE
YARD BECAUSE OF HOW IT WAS -- OKAY, I GET IT.
THANK YOU.
01:45:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
01:45:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ERIC, IS THERE ANY -- IS THERE A WAY FOR
THE CITY TO ADMINISTRATIVELY DECLARE ONE FRONTAGE -- A FRONT
YARD VERSUS ANOTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE OF FRONT YARD?
01:45:53PM >>ERIC COTTON:
THERE IS.
THE APPLICANT GOES THROUGH A DESIGN EXCEPTION FOR A YARD
DETERMINATION.
BUT EVEN IF SHE WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS, THE FRONT -- IF
IT WAS HIAWATHA OR ORLEANS IS 38 FEET INSTEAD OF THE 60
FEET.
REGARDLESS WHICH WAY THE AREA IS ORIENTED THE APPLICANT WILL
BE IN THE SAME SITUATION WITH THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
01:46:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
IF ORLEANS WAS THE FRONT YARD, WE WOULD ONLY BE TALKING OF A
SEED YARD SETBACK.
01:46:27PM >>ERIC COTTON:
NO, SIR, SETBACK OF 38 FEET ALONG THE
PROPERTY LINE.
01:46:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BECAUSE THE LOT IS JUST NOT THAT DEEP.
01:46:33PM >>ERIC COTTON:
CORRECT.
01:46:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU PUT IT ON THE
PROMPT, IT WILL NOT MEET US.
THANK YOU.
01:46:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
DOES THAT CONCLUDE EVERYTHING, SIR?
01:46:46PM >>ERIC COTTON:
YES, SIR.
01:46:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY, APPLICANT.
COME ON UP AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
01:46:54PM >> MY NAME IS DANIELLE MAZZA.
AND I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
OKAY.
SO I AM JUST HERE FOR A VARIANCE REQUEST APPROVAL FOR THE
SIDE CORNER LOT.
I BASICALLY HIRED A CONTRACTOR WHO COME TO FIND OUT WAS NOT
LICENSED.
AND I RELIED ON FAULTY ADVICE, ONE BEING THE LOCATION OF THE
STRUCTURE.
I APPROVED THE CURRENT LOCATION BECAUSE MIRROR THE BUILDING
CONSTRUCTION DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET WHICH I HAVE -- I
DON'T KNOW -- OKAY.
WHICH I HAVE RIGHT HERE.
SO THERE IS MY PROPERTY AND THE STRUCTURE IS THERE.
AND THEN THIS IS MY NEIGHBOR.
SO THAT IS WHY I APPROVED THE LOCATION THAT -- THAT THEY
GAVE.
AND THEN AS WELL AS I HAVE A LIVE OAK THAT IS SITTING
RECEIPT HERE, WHICH YOU WILL ALSO SEE ON THE SITE PLAN THAT
I AM HAVING PROBLEMS WITH MY PRIMARY HOUSE WITH.
SO I WANTED TO SHAKE SURE THE STRUCTURE WAS FAR ENOUGH AWAY
FROM THAT.
I HAVE THIS SURVEY THAT I CAN SHOW YOU.
WRITE THERE IS THE LIVE OAK AND THERE IS THE BUILDING.
SO THAT HARDSHIP OF THIS PROJECT IS MY ADDRESS APPLIES TO
TWO FRONT SETBACKS.
THE ADDRESS IS ORLEANS AVENUE AND THE CITY CONSIDERS
HIAWATHA THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
REQUESTING THE FRONT SIDE YARD WHICH IS ON HIAWATHA, SET
TOBACCO TO BE REDUCED TO 10 FEET, WHICH IS 35 FEET FROM --
FROM THE ASPHALT NOW OR FROM THE PAVEMENT AND THE SIDE
CORNER YARD TO REDUCE TO FOUR FEET ALL OF THE SPECIFIC
MEASURES WILL BE IN MET WITH THE STRUCTURE AND NOT INTERFERE
WITH THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND THE WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY.
I BROUGHT CITY OF TAMPA ADU HE WILL I BELIEVE MAP TO SHOW IT
IS WITHIN THE LIMITS IF THAT HELPS AT ALL.
BUT I BELIEVE IF THE REQUEST IS APPROVED IT WILL AT LEAST
HELP THE -- INCREASE THE PROPERTY VALUES IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
01:49:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC?
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
01:49:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ERIC, ARE YOU STILL THERE?
THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET, THAT PERMITTED AND APPROVED
STRUCTURE OR IS THAT -- HOW DID WE GET THERE?
01:49:23PM >>ERIC COTTON:
ACROSS --
01:49:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE APPLICANT SHOWED US INFORMATION THAT
WOULD APPEAR TO BE CONSTRUCTION THAT WOULD MIMIC WHAT THEY
ARE ATTEMPTING TO DO ON THIS PROPERTY SO IT WILL BE, YOU
KNOW, IN HARMONY WITH -- WITH A DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE
STREET.
BUT IS THAT DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE STREET, WAS IT PROPERLY
PERMITTED AND APPROVED?
01:49:46PM >>ERIC COTTON:
I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW.
I HAVE NOT DONE THE RESEARCH ON THAT.
01:49:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
01:49:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WAS GOING TO ASK A SIMILAR QUESTION
ABOUT -- WITHIN THE PERIMETER OF THIS PROPERTY, ANY OTHER
PROPERTIES THAT HAVE THE SAME -- THAT THEY CAN'T BUILD AND
THEY HAVE SOMETHING IN THE BACK ALREADY OR SOMETHING?
I DON'T KNOW.
DID Y'ALL DO ANY CHECKING ON THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES THAT
THEY DON'T HAVE SOMETHING THAT THESE FOLKS ARE ASKING FOR?
01:50:17PM >>ERIC COTTON:
STAFF DID NOT LOOK INTO THAT.
STAFF LOOKS STRICTLY AT THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION AND THE
CRITERIA FOR THE REQUEST THAT WAS APPLIED FOR.
AND WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO WAIVE THE REQUIREMENTS
BASED ON WHAT --
01:50:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
01:50:33PM >>ERIC COTTON:
BASED ON WHAT IS DEVELOPED AROUND IT.
01:50:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A QUESTION -- FOR LEGAL.
WILL THIS BE A SITUATION THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD BETTER BE
SERVED -- INSTEAD OF APPLYING -- THIS SU.
COMING THROUGH A TRADITIONAL VARIANCE REQUEST SO THAT STAFF
WOULD HAVE DONE THE RESEARCH ABOUT ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND
THE IMPACT IT WILL HAVE ON NEIGHBORHOODS.
HOW WILL WE GET THAT INFORMATION.
01:51:03PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
MR. COTTON CAN ANSWER THAT
QUESTION.
I CAN'T ADVISE WHAT PROCESS SHE SHOULD GO THROUGH.
I CAN'T ADVISE THAT.
BUT MR. COTTON CAN EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A VARIANCE
WE IS GOVERNOR EARNED BY 27-80 AND HARDSHIP CRITERIA AND WHY
SHE ELECTED TO GO THROUGH A SU-1 PROCESS.
THIS IS HERE FOR AN EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCE, THAT USE.
THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE.
THE APPLICATION IS FOR AN EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCE THAT HAS
SPECIFIC CRITERIA THAT SHE DIDN'T MEET.
SO THAT -- BECAUSE OF THESE THAT SHE IS ASKING FOR, MAYBE
SHE CAN ELABORATE ON IT.
BUT BECAUSE OF THE USE SHE IS ASKING FOR, THAT IS WHY WE ARE
HERE.
VARIANCE IS JUST FOR REQUIREMENTS.
01:51:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AS COUNCILMAN MIRANDA ECHOED AS WELL, I'M
JUST CURIOUS OF HOW THIS WORKS WITH THE OTHER PROPERTIES,
ADJACENT PROPERTIES, THE IMPACTS THAT HAS.
HOW DO WE AS A COUNCIL -- IN WHAT FORMAT THAT COMES TO US IF
WE CAN SEE A BIGGER HE CAN YOU ARE.
01:52:06PM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE:
I UNDERSTAND, COUNCILMAN, YOUR
QUESTION, BUT NOT IN THIS AVENUE BEFORE YOU.
WILL OTHER SURROUNDING PROPERTIES COME INTO PLAY BECAUSE
THIS IS LOOKING AT HER APPLICATION WITHIN ITSELF ON WHETHER
OR NOT IT DOES OR DOES NOT MEET THE CRITERIA.
01:52:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
01:52:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT.
THIS IS ALREADY IN AN AREA THAT ALLOWS ADUs.
EVERY SINGLE HOUSE AROUND IT HAS A ADU.
SHE SHOWED THE MAP.
01:52:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HE GET THAT.
BUT TALKING OF THE SETBACKS.
01:52:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE SETBACKS FOR A WEIRD PIECE OF PROPERTY I
EARNED STAND WHY THEY NEEDED TO BE HERE, BUT I WANTED TO
THROW THAT OUT THERE.
01:52:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MERCADO, ANYTHING ELSE?
01:52:47PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO, SORRY.
01:52:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY REBUTTAL AT THIS TIME.
YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.
EXAMINE I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN, SECONDED FROM
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION?
THE MOTION WOULD BE TO DENY OR OVERTURN -- UPHOLD OR
OVERTURN.
YES, MA'AM.
01:53:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MOVE TO OVERTURN THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S
DENIAL OF SU-24-76 PROPERTY 6801 NORTH ORLEANS BECAUSE THE
PETITIONER PROVIDED SUBSTANTIAL AND COMPETENT EVIDENCE TO
WAIVE THE REQUIREMENTS AND ALLOW FOR AN EXTENDED FAMILY TO
BE A NONCONFORMING STRUCTURE OR A STRUCTURE MADE CONFORMING
AS A RESULT OF A VARIANCE IN CITY OF TAMPA CODE SECTION
27-132 FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS: BECAUSE THIS IS AT A --
THIS IS A CORNER LOT WHERE BOTH FRONT SETBACKS ARE REQUIRED.
THAT THIS IS REALLY ACTING AS A SIDE.
SO THIS IS MORE OF A SIDE SETBACK.
01:54:03PM >> A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
YES, SIR.
01:54:09PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT THE PETITIONER TO ASK THIS IS FOR
FAMILY ONLY?
01:54:14PM >> YES, MY MOTHER.
01:54:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
01:54:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU KNOW I'M EMPATHETIC WITH THE
SITUATION, BUT I AM ALSO CONCERN OF THE PUBLIC USE OF THE
PROPERTY.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALL.
AND I AM EMPATHETIC WITH YOUR SITUATION.
NOT THAT MY VOTE WILL MATTER IN THIS.
I WILL VOTE NO ON THAT.
BECAUSE I FEEL WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION ABOUT THE
OVERALL NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT THE IMPACTS OF THE REDUCED
SETBACKS MEAN TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN AGAIN RALE.
THANK YOU.
01:54:42PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
01:54:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
01:54:46PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
01:54:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
01:54:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
01:54:50PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CLENDENIN VOTING NO AND VIERA
BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
01:54:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT UP, ITEM 54 FOR A HISTORIC DESIGNATION.
HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
HELLO, SIR, HOW ARE YOU?
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
01:55:07PM >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ:
GOOD AFTERNOON, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS,
DENNIS FERNANDEZ, ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW AND HISTORIC
PRESERVATION MANAGER.
EXCITED TO BE HERE ON ITEM NUMBER 54, ADDING TO OUR
INVENTORY OF LOCALLY HISTORIC LANDMARKS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
WITH THE DOBY HOUSE.
THE RESIDENCE OF RICHARD AND FLORENCE DOBY.
YOU MAY RECALL AT THE END OF 2022, EXPANDING THE HYDE PARK
LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT A GOOD DEAL OF DISCUSSION TO PROTECT
THE RESOURCES OF DOBYVILLE.
WE INCLUDED THE DOBY HOUSE IN THE DISTRICT BOUNDARIES AT
THAT TIME, WE HAD -- ALL WAS INTENDED TO COME BACK TO THIS
INITIAL PROTECTION WAS -- WAS APPLIED.
AND SEEK THE RECOGNITION TO THE STRUCTURE AS A LOCAL
LANDMARK AND THANKFULLY MISS NELAN, WHO IS THE OWNER, WAS
VERY SUPPORTIVE.
AND ACCOMMODATING AND RESEARCHING THE PROPERTY WITH US IN
ORDER TO BRING IT TO YOU TO -- THIS AFTERNOON.
ELAINE LUND IS HERE WITH MY STAFF.
SHE WILL PRESENT A POWERPOINT TO YOU WITH THE BASIC CRITERIA
FOR LOCAL DESIGNATION.
01:56:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
LOCAL LANDMARK THAT WILL PREVENT A PROPERTY WERE BEING
DEMOLISHED, CORRECT?
01:56:46PM >> CORRECT.
IT WAS TAKEN OFF THE REGISTRY AND DEMOLISHED.
JUST A GENERAL QUESTION BUT NOT A PERMANENT THING?
01:56:56PM >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ:
THE ORDINANCE APPLIED TO THESE
PROPERTIES IS PERMANENT.
THERE ARE PROCESSES FOR DEMOLITION EVEN WITH LOCALLY
LANDMARKED PROPERTIES.
I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONES WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
01:57:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT WAS FRANK LYNN AND HARRISON WHERE
THEY ARE RECONNECTING THE STREET.
A CORNER BUILDING THERE.
IT WAS A PAWN SHOP.
I WAS A PHOTO OF IT AND LOOKING AT IT THE OTHER DAY.
IT WAS DESIGNATED AND THEN DEMOLISHED.
01:57:23PM >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ:
I CAN TELL YOU I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR
THIS YEARS, DURING THAT TIME ONLY ONE BUILDING THAT WAS
LOCALLY LANDMARKED BUT HAD TO BE DEMOLISHED BECAUSE OF
CONDITION.
IT IS A FACT THEIR PROTECTS BUILDINGS.
100% IF HE CAN TESTIFY?
PERHAPS NOT, BUT IT CAN GREATLY IMPACT.
01:57:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I ASK A FOLLOW-ON.
THEY HAD A NATIONAL DESIGNATION BUT NOT A LOCAL DESIGNATION.
THE CITY HAD TO PAY A LOT OF MONEY TO DEAL WITH THAT.
01:58:01PM >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ:
THAT PROPERTY ON THE NATIONAL HISTORIC
PRESERVATION DOES NOT HAVE PROTECTIVE MEASURES.
REGULATORY EFFECT FOR FEDERAL EXPENDITURE OF DOLLARS ON
THOSE PECULIAR STRUCTURES THAT REQUIRE MITIGATION.
ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IT WAS RECONSTRUCTED IN ITS NEW SITE.
LOCAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION BRINGS THE PROTECTIONS OF THE
LOCAL ORDINANCES WHY WE BRING THOSE TO YOU BECAUSE THEY ARE
MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE FOR US.
01:58:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANKS.
MISS LUND.
01:58:34PM >>ELAINE LUND:
GOOD AFTERNOON, ELAINE LUND, HISTORIC
PRESENTATION STAFF.
WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR YOU THIS AFTERNOON.
01:58:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
01:58:42PM >>ELAINE LUND:
THERE WE ARE.
SO AS STATED, THIS IS REGARDING THE LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARK
DESIGNATION OF THE DOBY HOUSE AT 1405 WEST AZELLE STREET.
THE OWNER OF THE CIRCA 1912 DOBY HOUSE ONCE THE HOME OF
RICHARD DOBY AND HIS FAMILY, SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION TO THE
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION FOR THE LOCAL HISTORIC
LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THE HOME.
THE HPC REVIEWS PROPERTIES FOR ELIGIBILITY FOR LOCAL
HISTORIC DESIGNATION IN ACCORDANCE WITH 27-257 WITH THE
CITY'S CODE.
LOCAL DESIGNATION PRESERVES AND PROTECTS OUR CITY'S HISTORIC
RESOURCES AND THE CITY'S HERITAGE.
THE DOBY HOUSE IS LOCATED ON AZEELE STREET BETWEEN OREGON
AND ORLEANS AVENUES.
ON THE LEFT, YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY AS SAT IN 1915.
AND ON THE RIGHT, YOU GO SEE THE PRESENT DAY AERIAL OF THE
PROPERTY.
JUST TO THE WEST AND THE NORTH IS THE CROSSTOWN EXPRESSWAY.
AND LANDS THAT ARE OWNED BY THE EXPRESSWAY AUTHORITY.
THE RED LINE ON THE AERIAL MAP INDICATES THIS NORTH PRE OF
THE LOCAL HYDE PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND THEN, AGAIN -- AGAIN, HERE IS THE MAP OF THE GREATER
HYDE PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT WITH THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT
BOUNDARY SHOULD BE IN RED.
THE BLUE LINE IS FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC
DISTRICT BOUNDARY.
AND THE LOCATION OF THE DOBY HOUSE IS MARKED BY THE GREEN
ARROW.
RICHARD DOBY WAS WELL-KNOWN IN TAMPA DURING THE EARLY PART
OF THE 20th CENTURY AS A SUCCESSFUL BLACK ENTREPRENEUR.
IN ADDITION TO OWNING HIS OWN BUSINESSES AND ICE DELIVERY
AND TRASH COLLECTION, HE ALSO BOUGHT AND SOLD REAL ESTATE
WITH ENOUGH HOLDINGS TO DONATE LAND TO SERVE THE BLACK
COMMUNITY IN TAMPA. HE DONATED THE LAND FOR THE DOBY
ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND THE ZION CEMETERY.
HE ALSO CONTRIBUTED A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF FUND TO BUILD
THE CIRCA 1917 ST. PAUL AME CHURCH ALSO A LOCAL HISTORIC
LANDMARK.
THE DOBY HOUSE IS A VESTIGE OF THE DOBYVILLE NEIGHBORHOOD
THAT STRETCHED FROM SWANN NIGHT TO FIG STREET TO ALBANY
AVENUE AND WAIL LOW ON THE EAST.
DOBYVILLE WAS A THRIVING COMMUNITY IN THE EARLY 20th CENTURY
HOME TO MANY OF THE PLAQUE AMERICANS WHO WORKED AS DOMESTICS
IN HYDE PARK.
RATE OF HOMEOWNERSHIP IN DOBYVILLE WAS HIGHER THAN MOST
OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS AND NOTED THAT THE RENT QUARTERS WERE
GENERALLY IN GOOD CONDITION.
IN ADDITION TO HOUSING, DOBYVILLE WAS HOME TO THE DOBYVILLE
ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND SEVERAL CHURCHES.
SEVERAL FACTORIES WERE FOUND ALONG THE ACL RAILROAD THAT RAN
DIAGONALLY THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU CAN SEE THIS
HERE WITH THE 1957 PHOTOGRAPH.
THE RAILROAD CORRIDOR RUNNING DIAGONALLY THROUGH THE
PICTURE.
THIS PICTURE IS FROM JUST PRIOR TO THE BEGINNING OF THE
EXPRESSWAY CONSTRUCTION.
THE DOBY HOUSE IS LOCATED JUST OFF THE BOTTOM OF THIS
PICTURE SO WE DON'T SEE IT THERE.
WE DO SEE THE DOBYVILLE SCHOOL IN THIS PHOTO.
IT REMAINED OPEN UNTIL 1966 WHEN IT WAS DEMOLISHED T
FACILITATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE CROSSTOWN EXPRESSWAY AS
WERE MANY OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS, HOMES AND BUSINESSES.
SO THIS HOUSE IS A MODEST WOOD FRAME STRUCTURE THAT HAS
OPINION COVERED IN STUCCO.
IT IS MUCH LIKE OTHER HOUSES THAT WERE CONSTRUCTED
THROUGHOUT THE DOBYVILLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHILE NOT SIGNIFICANT FOR ITS ARCHITECTURE, THE DOBY HOUSE
IS SIGNIFICANT WITH THE AFFILIATION TO RICHARD DOBY AND
ELIGIBLE UNDER CRITERION A OF THE NATIONAL REGISTER IN THE
AREA OF COMMUNITY PLANS AND DEVELOPMENT.
AND UNDER CRITERION B OF THE AREA HAVE ETHNIC HERITAGE.
THE APPLICATION WAS MADE BY THE OWNER MISS NELAN ON APRIL
23, 2024.
HPC MADE A RECOMMENDATION THAT CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THIS
APPLICATION ON SEPTEMBER 17.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION COMPLETED ITS EVALUATION OF THE
PROPOSED DESIGNATION IN OCTOBER.
AND THEY FOUND THAT THE APPLICATION WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE
CITY OF TAMPA'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
NOTICE FOR THIS HEARING HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE OWNER, TO
NEARBY PROPERTY OWNERS AND REGISTERED ORGANIZATIONS.
STAFF FINDS THAT THIS PROPERTY MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR
DESIGNATION AS SUMMARIZED PREVIOUSLY FOUND IN SECTION 27-257
OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES.
AND, THEREFORE, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THE DOBY HOUSE AT 1405
WEST AZEILE FOR HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
THANK YOU.
02:03:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I LOVE WHEN YOU AND MR. FERNANDEZ PRESENT SOMETHING TO
COUNCIL.
BECAUSE THE RESEARCH YOU DO ON PRESENTATION, I ALWAYS LEARN
SOMETHING NEW.
I LEARNED A LOT TODAY.
GREAT PRESENTATION.
YOU KNOW, DOBYVILLE IS SUCH A SIGNIFICANT PART OF OUR
HISTORY AND MR. DOBY AND THE FAMILY -- THERE ARE RELATIVES
-- I KNOW SOME OF THE RELATIVES.
THEY ARE STILL HERE.
AND IT IS -- IT IS SUCH A SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT?
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
02:04:40PM >> TARA NELAN, 405 WEST AZEELE, AND I AM THE APPLICANT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CURIOSITY AND SUPPORT.
I SUPPORT THE LOCAL LANDMARK DESIGNATION 1405 WEST AZEELE
FOR THE CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE TO THE CITY.
I AM GRATEFUL TO THE GOOD WORK OF ALL PARTIES, INCLUDING HH
PNA AND HYDE PARK SPANISH TOWN CREEK.
ALL THE NEIGHBORS, SUPPORTERS, COMMUNITY ACTIVISTS MEMBERS
OF THIS CITY THAT PUT IN EFFORT TO SHARE THEIR WISDOM AND
KNOWLEDGE TO EXPAND THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT TO INCLUDE
HYDE PARK SPANISH TOWN CREEK AND PARTS OF DOBYVILLE.
NOW WE GET TO DESIGNATE THIS HOME SPECIFICALLY.
AS YOU KNOW, MR. DOBY WAS NOTED TO BE A PIONEER IN THE BLACK
COMMUNITIES IN TAMPA OVER 100 YEARS AGO.
HIS PROMINENCE AND COMMUNITY MINDEDNESS LED THE NEIGHBORHOOD
TO BE BEING CALLED DOBYVILLE.
I HAVE COME TO LEARN THE LAND, AS YOU KNOW, THAT HE DONATED
FOR A CHURCH AND A SCHOOL ARE GONE NOW.
AND THE ZION CEMETERY WAS LOST FOR DECADES 1405 WEST AZEELE
REMAINS.
LOCAL LANDMARK DESIGNATION TO KEEP THE DOBY FAMILY, RICHARD
DOBY'S CONTRIBUTIONS, HIS LIFE STORY AND DOBYVILLE'S STORIES
ALIVE IN TAMPA HISTORY AND HONORED TO PAY MY SMALL PART.
02:06:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM?
COME ON UP.
02:06:15PM >> PATRICK CIMINO, 605 EAST OREGON AND LANDMARK OF THE HYDE
PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
WE WERE VERY INVOLVED IN THE EXPANSION OF THE DISTRICT AND
QUITE THE ACCOMPLISHMENT.
AND WE THANK YOU ALL THE DIFFERENT ENTITIES WITHIN THE CITY.
THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION, THE HISTORIC
PRESERVATION COMMISSION FOR RESTORING THAT.
AND THIS IS A MISSING PIECE.
AND TARA IS WILLING TOO PURSUE THIS BECAUSE COMES WITH
LIMITATIONS BUT ALSO PRESERVE AS VERY IMPORTANT PART OF OUR
HISTORY.
AND THAT IS REALLY WHAT WE WANT IN OUR LOCAL HISTORIC
DISTRICTS.
SO I JUST WANT TO THANK ALL THE ENTITIES AND THANK TARA FOR
HER INTEREST IN DOING THIS.
IT HAS BEEN A VERY INCREMENTAL PROCESS FOR YEARS.
AND THIS IS -- THIS IS A BIG MILESTONE.
SO THANK YOU ALL.
02:07:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYONE ELSE?
NO?
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL?
SIR?
02:07:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MARTY SAID I MAKE A COMMENT.
MY OLD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
I LIVED TWO BLOCKS FROM THIS HOUSE FOR YEARS.
AND I LOVE WHAT IS LEFT OF DOBYVILLE.
I'M SO HAPPY THAT WE GOT THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION EXTENDED.
SOMETHING I TRIED TO DO WHEN HE WAS A NEIGHBOR AND WE
COULDN'T.
FINALLY WE DID IT IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
TARA, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WHEN YOU MOVED IN THE HOUSE
-- DID YOU KNOW THE HISTORY OF IT WHEN YOU MOVED IN?
02:07:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COME UP TO THE PODIUM TO GET YOU ON
THE MIC.
02:07:50PM >> TARA NELAN.
I KNEW PRIOR TO PURCHASING 1405 WEST AZEELE.
I LIVED TWO AND A QUARTER BLOCKS AWAY FROM HPNNA.
I WAS FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA AND HISTORICALLY BLACK
NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
IT WASN'T UNTIL THE PANDEMIC GAVE ME PLENTY OF TIME TO DIG
INTO THE HISTORY A LITTLE BIT MORE, WALK UP TO THE SIGN THAT
IS REALLY NOT WALKABLE, BECAUSE IT IS IN A PIECE OF GRASS.
BUT THE DOBYVILLE SIGN ITSELF THAT OBVIOUSLY THE IMAGE OF IT
IS AVAILABLE ONLINE.
I LEARNED A LOT FROM MOVING IN.
02:08:28PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE POINT I WAS GOING TO MAKE SHE MOVED IN
THIS HOUSE AND TOOK ON THE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
AND AS SOMEONE SAID, IF YOU DESIGNATE A HOUSE LIKE THIS.
WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS A LOT OF THESE OLD
HOUSES HAVE BEEN TORN DOWN AND PEOPLE ARE BUILDING HUGE
HOUSE THERE IS AND COULD YOU HAVE EASILY MONETIZED THIS.
YOU TOOK THIS ON AS A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIDE.
AND YOU BROUGHT IN SEVERAL IN THE HOME TOURS.
YOU BROUGHT IN SEVERAL TOURS.
AND YOU HAVE THE DOBY FAMILY IN.
AND I WENT ON A TOUR WITH YOU AND WITH RODNEY POWELL A FEW YEARS
AGO, AND GREAT THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO PROTECT
IMPORTANT HERITAGE LIKE THIS.
BECAUSE ONE OWNER COULD HAVE EASILY CHANGED ALL OF THAT AND
GOTTEN RID OF A PIECE OF HISTORY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATION AND FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO
CONTINUING TO WORK ON THIS.
02:09:14PM >> THANK YOU.
02:09:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN
CLENDENIN AND SECONDED FROM MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WILL YOU MIND READING IT.
02:09:24PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SURE.
LIKE TO MOVE NUMBER 54, FILE NUMBER, HL-25-10735, HPC 24-27.
ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING AND CONSIDERATION.
ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, LOCATING DOBY HOUSE
1405 WEST AZEELE STREET, TAMPA, FLORIDA, AS MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION THREE AS A LOCAL HISTORIC
LANDMARK PROVIDING FOR A REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES AND
PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
02:09:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
AYE.
02:10:01PM >>CLERK:
MOTION CARRIES WITH VIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION FEBRUARY 20, 2025 AT 10:00 A.M
AT CITY COUNCIL CHAIRMAN WILL 315 E. KENNEDY, THIRD FLOOR,
TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33602.
02:10:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:10:19PM >> THANK YOU.
02:10:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO TO STAFF REPORTS.
THESE ARE IN PERSON.
START WITH ITEM NUMBER 60, THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT.
FOLLOWED BY A STOPLIGHT AT FRANKLIN AND WATER STREET.
YES, MA'AM, MISS FEELEY.
02:10:36PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
GOOD AFTERNOON, FEELEY, ADMINISTRATOR OF
MOBILITY.
I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU A VERBAL UPDATE OR RESPOND TO THE
MOTION CONCERNING THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT WITH THE
RELATED GROUP.
AND THEN THE REVERTERS ON SEPARATE PROPERTY.
RFP FOR ROME YARD MARCH 17 OF TWIN CITIES -- 2021.
IT WAS DEVELOPED THROUGH A SERIES OF PUBLIC MEETINGS.
THREE OF THEM.
ONE ON OCTOBER 13, 2021.
ONE ON OCTOBER 16 OF 2021.
AND ONE IN JANUARY OF 2022.
THAT AGREEMENT WITH AS BROUGHT TO CITY COUNCIL AND
ULTIMATELY ADOPTED BY RESOLUTION 2022-248 ON MAY 4, 2022.
THAT AGREEMENT IS THE ONE IN PLACE NOW AND THAT WE ARE
OPERATING UNDER.
THE PARAMETERS THAT OF THAT AGREEMENT INCLUDED ARREST TAMPA
CULTURAL CENTER, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT CENTER, 40% WMBE
PARTICIPATION, REPAINTING OF THE MLK CENTER.
AND THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMITMENT THAT IS IDENTIFIED IN
THAT -- IN THAT AGREEMENT WELL.
AND I WOULD LIKE -- THAT -- THIS IS A TOTAL OF 954 UNITS
THERE.
180 -- 185 AT 50% AMI.
94 AT 80% AME.
368 AT 40% AMI AND 307 MARKET RATE.
SO JUST WANT TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION.
THERE WAS NOT DISCUSSION OF THE YELLOW JACKETS THROUGH THE
DEVELOPMENT OF THE CBA.
THAT CBA HAS NOT BEEN AMENDED OR NEEDED TO BE AS THE
PROBABLY IS GETTING STARTED AND DOING ENVIRONMENTAL
REMEDIATION OUT OF THE SITE PRIOR TO VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION
SO IN TERMS OF ANYTHING ADDITIONAL WITH THE YELLOW JACKETS,
THAT AGREEMENT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT AT THIS TIME
IN RELATION TO THE RELEASING OF THE REVERTER CLAUSES ON THE
COUNTY BUILDING.
THE COUNTY'S HEAD START BUILDING IS ON A PROPERTY OWNED BY
THE CITY WITH A REVERTER THAT IT IS NOT USED FOR HEALTH
SERVICES PROVISIONS AND VERY -- IT REVERTS BACK TO THE CITY.
RIGHT NOW THERE ARE DISCUSSIONS GOING ON IN RELATION WITH
THAT, AND IT IS A CONTRACT TYPE OF AGREEMENT IN
NEGOTIATIONS.
IF WE REACH AGREEMENT, THOSE ITEMS WILL BE BACK TO CITY
COUNCIL.
AT THIS TIME NO RELEASE OF THE REVERTER ON THE HEAD START
PROPERTY OR ON THE MLK CENTER WHICH IS A COUNTY-OWNED
PROPERTY WITH THE REVERTER IF WE DO NOT USE IT FOR PARK
PURPOSES.
THAT IS MY UPDATE TODAY.
02:13:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
02:13:42PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I DIDN'T EVEN TURN ON MY LIGHT YET.
02:13:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT IS YOUR MOTION.
02:13:47PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
THANK YOU, MISS FEELEY, FOR YOUR REPORT.
HAVE WE EVER AMENDED A COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT?
02:13:58PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
SO WE ONLY HAVE ONE.
THIS IS IT.
02:14:01PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THIS IS THE FIRST ONE.
02:14:03PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THE FIRST ONE AND ANOTHER ONE WILL BE COMING
TO YOU FOR GASWORX, AND IT IS IN THE PUBLIC MEETING STAGE
AND IN FACT I BELIEVE THEY HAD A MEETING LAST NIGHT.
THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
02:14:21PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ANY MEANINGFUL CONSERVATION WITH THE
RELATED GROUP REGARDING THE YELLOW JACKETS?
OR WITH AS THIS AN INTERNAL DECISION BASED ON US SAYING IT
IS NOT AMENDABLE AT THIS TIME.
DID YOU PRESENT IT TO THEM AT ALL, THE YELLOW JACKETS?
02:14:38PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
IN THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT AND THE
ROME YARD COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT ACTUALLY DOESN'T
PREDATE ME, BUT I WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS BUT OUR
COMMUNITY BENEFITS ORDINANCE OF HOW IT HAS TO BE DEVELOPED
WITH THE PUBLIC MEETINGS.
THE DEVELOPER HOLDS THE PUBLIC MEETINGS WITH THE COMMUNITY
AND THEY BRING BACK WHAT THE SUMMARIES OF THOSE WERE.
I BELIEVE THEY WERE ATTACHED TO THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS
AGREEMENT IN EXHIBIT B OF THAT AGREEMENT.
SO I -- I CANNOT SPEAK TO THAT AT THIS TIME, I AM SORRY.
02:15:13PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I AM TALKING ABOUT SINCE THE MOTION WAS
MADE.
YOU KNOW THE MOTION WAS MADE BY ME IN THIS CHAMBER ABOUT THE
POSSIBILITY OF THE RELATED GROUP ADDRESSING THE COMMUNITY
BENEFIT AGREEMENT AND MAKING THE MODIFICATION TO INCLUDE THE
YELLOW JACKETS.
THEY AWARE OF THE AMOUNT OF ACREAGE THEY RECEIVED THAT WAS
THE YELLOW JACKET?
DO THEY KNOW THE HISTORIC ASPECT?
CONTEXT HOW WE GET HERE TO PAINT THE BUILDING ACROSS THE
STREET AS PART OF THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT WHICH IS
OUR -- OUR, YOU KNOW, PARK AND RECREATION FACILITIES.
THAT CAN BE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT.
BUT THE ACTUAL LAND WHERE THE YELLOW JACKETS WERE ONCE
HOUSED COULDN'T BE PART OF AN INITIAL DISCUSSION.
02:16:07PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE LAND RELATED TO
THAT AND WHATEVER TOOK PLACE WAS PRIOR TO THE RFP.
STAND NOT PROVIDE ANYTHING IN THAT RELATIONSHIP OF PROVIDING
ADDITIONAL AMENITIES OR ANYTHING RELATED TO THAT.
THE RESPONSES THAT CAME IN FOR RELATED WAS NOT THE ONLY ONE.
YOU KNOW, THEY WERE EVALUATED ON THE CONTEXT OF THE RFP WITH
AWARD BEING GRANTED.
THE DEVELOPER THAT RECEIVED THE AWARD IN THIS CASE, RELATED,
PERFORMED THE DEVELOPMENT OF CBA IN CONTEXT WITH THE CBA
ORDINANCE.
IT I DON'T BELIEVE -- AND LET MISS JOHNS TALK.
I DON'T THINK WE WILL HAVE STANDING TO GO BACK TO THEM TO
OPEN UP WHAT WAS FULFILLED AS IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR
ORDINANCE IN TERMS OF HAVING A FURTHER DISCUSSION.
02:17:14PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
I WILL TALK TO MISS REBECCA -- WILL YOU COME TO THE PODIUM,
PLEASE.
THIS IS THIS IS FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT.
I KNOW THE RELATED GROUP IS NOT REQUIRED TO -- IS THERE AN
TO AMEND A COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT IF THERE ARE SERIOUS
DISCUSSIONS REGARDING IT.
02:17:48PM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
REBECCA JOHNS, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
IF BOTH PARTIES AGREE TO AMEND, IT WILL COME BACK BEFORE
YOU.
RUDG AND THE CITY OF TAMPA.
02:18:00PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
AND WE ARE THE OTHER PARTY?
02:18:02PM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
CORRECT.
WE HAVE NO ABILITY TO FORCE THEM TO AMEND THE AGREEMENT.
THEY WILL HAVE TO AGREE TO DO IT.
02:18:14PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THE CONVERSATION HAS TO BE TAKEN PLACE
FIRST.
02:18:21PM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
THERE WILL HAVE TO IT BE NEGOTIATIONS.
02:18:24PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IF WE ARE AMENABLE, HOW DO WE DO THAT.
02:18:28PM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
BRING A CVA BEFORE YOU LIKE WE DO ANY
AGREEMENT WE BRING BEFORE YOU FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
02:18:35PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO ASK THEM TO BE
AMENDABLE -- 50/50.
IF WE SAY YES.
02:18:41PM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
THEY TWO HAVE TO AGREE TO IT.
02:18:44PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
AND WE FIND OUT IF WE AGREE OR NOT.
02:18:47PM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
LIKE NEGOTIATIONS FOR AN AGREEMENT.
WE NEGOTIATE WITH THEM.
COME TO AN AGREEMENT AND DOCUMENT IT.
BRING THAT DOCUMENT TO YOU FOR APPROVAL.
02:18:56PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OKAY.
SO THAT MEANS THAT THERE ARE TWO PARTIES INVOLVED.
THE ORIGINATORS US, BECAUSE IT IS OUR LAND THAT WE GAVE TO
-- WE GAVE IT AWAY OR DID THEY BUY IT?
THE YELLOW JACKETS?
02:19:10PM >> WE OWN IT.
02:19:11PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
DID WE GIVE IT TO RELATED GROUP AS PART
OF --
02:19:16PM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
PARTNER WITH LEASING TO THEM AND PART WILL
BE DEEDED TO THEM.
THE TOWN.
HOME PORTION WILL BE DEEDED TO THEM.
02:19:22PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
DEEDED TO THEM.
02:19:23PM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
THE REMAINDER IS LEASED TO THEM.
02:19:26PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS A LEGAL QUESTION OR
A DIFFICULT QUESTION.
SO WHO BENEFITS THE MOST FROM IN COMMUNITY BENEFITS
AGREEMENT FROM THE YELLOW JACKETS FOLD AND THEM BUILDING
TOWN HOMES ON -- WE JUST FINISHED LESSENING TO A HISTORICAL.
I GUESS WE WILL GET A HISTORICAL MARKER WHAT THE YELLOW
JACKETS WOULD GET AT THIS POINT THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE THEY
WERE ONCE THERE.
THAT IS DONE IN SITUATIONS WHERE, YOU KNOW, ONCE
AFRICAN-AMERICAN PEOPLE WORKED AND PLAYED ARE NOW HISTORICAL
MARKERS.
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A SERIOUS OPPORTUNITY HERE AND REARS
ACTUALLY A CONVERSATION WITH RELATED GROUP THAT APPEARS TO
HAVE NOT HAVE HAPPENED APPARENTLY.
02:20:17PM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
REQUIRES A CONVERSATION --
02:20:19PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WHO DOES THAT.
02:20:21PM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
AS THEY ARE REARED TO BE WILLING TO --
02:20:23PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THAT IS GREAT.
BECAUSE RELATED REALLY WANTS TO DO A LOT OF BUSINESS IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA, SO THEM OPENING THEMSELVES UP TO A
CONVERSATION IS NOT A THREAT, JUST AN OPPORTUNITY.
AND WE CAN FIND OUT THEIR POSITION ON THIS.
AND NOT BE FORCED A.
I DON'T WANT TO TWIST THEIR ARMS.
IT IS A COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT.
IF THEY ARE FOLLOWING PAINT THE MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.
FACILITY ACROSS THE STREET NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ROME YARD
PROJECT AS A COMMUNITY AGREEMENT.
CERTAINLY THE LAND WHERE THEY ARE BUILDING TOWN HOMES ONCE
THE BASEBALL FIELD TO THE YELLOW JACKET, LAND THAT WE OWNED,
THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT
AGREEMENT AT LEAST THAT IS IT MY OPINION AND I AM STATING
PUBLICLY BECAUSE I REPRESENT THE 65,000 CONSTITUENTS IN THE
DISTRICT WHERE THE YELLOW JACKETS WERE HOUSED.
LAND THAT WAS GIVEN TO THEM.
AND THE CITY GAVE THEM THAT LAND AND SAID, WELL, WE ARE NOT
GOING TO BUILD YOU A BASEBALL FIELD AND GIVE YOU THE LAND
AND YOU HAVE TO BUILD THE BASEBALL FIELDS THEMSELVES.
AND THEY DID THAT.
SO THERE IS SOME SORT OF BETWEEN MAYORS.
THE YELLOW JACKETS ENDED UP WITH THE SHORT END OF THE STICK
NEXT TO A GRAVEYARD.
I AM TRYING TO, AS A COUNCILMEMBER, MAKE THE COMMUNITY HAPPY
WITH A BETTER DECISION NOW THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENT
COUNCIL.
SO IF THERE IS -- IF THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION JUST BY
LISTENING TO YOU AND MISS FEELEY IS THAT IT COULD START WITH
FINDING OUT IF COUNCIL IS INTERESTED IN COMING TO THE TABLE.
OR IS THAT THE MAYOR?
WHO TWO BE -- WHO WOULD HAVE TO DO IT FIRST?
US OR THE MAYOR?
02:22:12PM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
THE MAYOR IS RESPONSIBLE FOR NEGOTIATING
WHAT THE MAY -- THE MAYOR AND THE ADMINISTRATION IS
RESPONSIBLE FOR NEGOTIATING THESE AGREEMENTS.
SO YOU COULD MAKE A REQUEST THAT THE ADMINISTRATION LOOK AT
DOING THIS, AND IF BENEFICIAL, START THE DISCUSSIONS.
02:22:36PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I WOULD RATHER FOR US TO PAINT OUR MARTIN
LUTHER KING, JR. CENTER.
I WOULD RATHER DO THAT.
AND MAKE THE YELLOW JACKETS A LITTLE BETTER THAN WHAT IT
WAS.
PART OF THIS IS FINDING OUT -- THINK OF THIS FROM THIS
PERSPECTIVE.
WHAT THE YELLOW JACKETS GAVE UP, YOU KNOW, AND ALL OF THE
THINGS THAT ONE PARTICULAR VERY INVOLVED CITIZEN HE WAS
SAYING HE PROMISED.
THEY HAVE A TRAILER ON AT A BASEBALL FIELD AND THEY HAVE
INFRASTRUCTURE AND TWO BASEBALL FIELDS.
A LOT OF ACREAGE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ACRES ARE TWO BASEBALL FIELDS AND WHAT
HAVE YOU.
BUT FOR THIS LONG PERIOD OF TIME, NOT ONLY DID IT SIT VACANT
AND EMPTY AND STILL THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, WHEREAS THE YELLOW
JACKETS COULD HAVE STILL BEEN IN THERE AND THEN MOVED TO A
BETTER FACILITY.
SO JUST A LOT OF STUFF ON OUR END THAT I AM TRYING TO
RECTIFY PUBLICLY.
AND SO, THAT IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE.
MAYBE FOR IT TO BEGIN WITH A CONVERSATION WITH THE MAY I
DON'T REMEMBER TO SEE IF SHE IS INTERESTED.
GOING TO THE TABLE WITH RELATED GROUP FINDING OUT IF THEY
ARE INTERESTED IN HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.
BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THAT ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW,
HAPPENED WHERE THEY ACTUALLY -- AND I -- YOU KNOW, ME JUST
LISTENING NOW IS THAT IT CAN'T HAPPEN UNLESS OUR SIDE
PROBABLY STARTS FIRST.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE A BIG DEVELOPER VOLUNTEERING
TO DO SOMETHING SO IT HAS TO START ON OUR END.
MAYBE MY MOTION WAS NOT THE RIGHT MOTION FROM THE VERY
BEGINNING WHEN I SAID TO TALK TO RELATED GROUP.
I MEAN TO START INTERNALLY.
IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BASED ON --
02:24:24PM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
THAT IS PROBABLY A GOOD PLAN TO SPEAK WITH
THE ADMINISTRATION AND GET A PLAN ON OUR SIDE BEFORE WE
APPROACH RELATED.
02:24:41PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
BEFORE I MAKE A MOTION.
IF THERE ARE COMMENTS FROM THE DAIS.
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.
02:24:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ADD BEFORE HE GO TO CARLSON, MIRANDA AND
CLENDENIN.
I AM HAPPY TO SUPPORT IN A MOTION TO ASK THE ADMINISTRATION
START THAT CONVERSATION, BECAUSE IT'S YOU HAD MENTIONED
DEEDED AND LEASED.
IS THE PARCEL THAT IS THE BASEBALL FIELD, THE FORMER YELLOW
JACKETS.
IS THAT CITY-OWNED, LEASED OR DID WE DEED IT TO THEM?
02:25:10PM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
YOU ARE GOING TO TEST MY MEMORY WITHOUT
HAVING THE AGREEMENT IN FRONT OF ME.
THAT IS PART OF WHAT WILL BE LEASED TO THEM.
02:25:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO IT IS LEASED TO THEM.
SO WE HAVE -- WE OWN IT.
02:25:21PM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
CORRECT.
02:25:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE CONTROL OF THE PROPERTY EVEN
THOUGH THERE IS AN AGLEAM.
CONVERSATION HERE IS -- I HEARD OF THE YELLOW JACKET FIELD
FROM ALL OVER -- ALL OVER THE COMMUNITY.
THEY MUST CARE ABOUT HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
SO MUCH GET DEMOLISHED, AND WE GET A HIS I CAN MARKER WHAT
USED TO BE.
THAT PARCEL IS THERE.
I KNOW THE YELLOW JACKETS IN ANOTHER PART OF TOWN.
BUT HISTORICALLY, THAT IS THE IMPORTANT PARCEL.
I THINK A LOT CAN BE DONE THROUGH COMMUNICATION AND TALKING.
THE WORST THEY CAN SAY IS NO, BUT IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO
DO.
AND I THINK IF COUNCILMEMBER HENDERSON WERE TO MAKE A MOTION
SUPPORTED BY COUNCILMEMBERS SAYING WE ARE ASKING THE
ADMINISTRATION, THE MAYOR TO REACH OUT AND HAVE THAT
DISCUSSION, PERHAPS RELATED WOULD BE OPEN TO IT.
AND WE COULD FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.
I MEAN THE ROME YARD PROJECT IS MASSIVE.
THIS?
A SMALL PIECE, BUT IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT PIECE OF THE
COMMUNITY.
AGAIN, I HEARD THIS FROM -- I CAN'T EVEN TELL YOU LAW MANY
PEOPLE.
THE YELLOW JACKETS.
YELLOW JACKETS.
HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE.
WE LOST SO AS MUCH OF TAMPA'S HISTORY TO THE INTERSTATE,
URBAN RENEWAL.
ON AND ON AND ON.
I THINK IF COUNCIL IS WILLING -- BECAUSE I WANT TO SUPPORT
-- IF SHE MAKES A MOTION.
WANT TO SUPPORT WE ASK THE MAYOR AND ADMINISTRATION TO REACH
OUT AND HAVE THE DISCUSSION.
PERHAPS RELATED WILL BE WILLING TO TALK ABOUT IT.
AND SEE WHERE WE CAN GO FROM THERE.
SO I AM IN SUPPORT.
COUNCILMEMBER CARLSON, MIRANDA AND CLENDENIN.
02:26:58PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE THING -- I AGREE.
I'M IN SUPPORT AS WELL.
ONE THING WE CAN DO IS CONTINUE THIS -- THIS DOCUMENT UNTIL
-- UNTIL SOMETHING HAPPENS.
YOU ALL REMEMBER THAT THIS PROJECT STARTED UNDER THE LAST
ADMINISTRATION AND GOT DELAYED.
THE COMMUNITY WAS SUSPICIOUS WHY IT GOT DELAYED AND PUNTED
TO THIS ADMINISTRATION.
THIS ADMINISTRATION HELD AN RFP.
WE WERE NOT INVOLVED IN WITH THE RFP.
THEY CHOSE RELATED AND NEGOTIATED FOR A YEAR BEFORE THEY
TOLD US ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
THEN THEY BROUGHT IT US TO FOR APPROVAL.
HE DON'T REMEMBER DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE -- ABOUT THE YELLOW
JACKETS AT ALL DURING THAT TIME.
THIS SOMEBODY BROUGHT IT UP, WE WOULD HAVE ALL DEFENDED IT.
BUT WHAT HAPPENED IS, ALL THAT CONVERSATION WENT ON.
THE IRONIC THING NOW IS THAT THE FORMER MAYOR WHO PUNTED
THIS IS A LOBBYIST FOR THE RELATED GROUP.
MAYOR'S PARTNERS FIRM IS A LOBBYING TERM FOR THE RELATED
GROUP AND BOTH OF THOSE WERE CONFIRMED TO ME BY A RELATED
REPRESENTATIVE.
MAYOR'S PARTNER DOESN'T WORK ON. SPECIFICALLY BUT THE MAYOR
PARTNER'S TERM WORKS ON IT.
RELATED GROUP IS REALLY PHILANTHROPIC.
TWO MUSEUMS DOWN IN MIAMI AND THEY ARE INCREDIBLY
PHILANTHROPIC AND NICE PEOPLE AND WILL BE WILLING TO DO
SOMETHING, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A CONVERSATION EVEN KNOW
YOU CAN'T NEGOTIATE DIRECTLY, YOU SHOULD AFTER TO MEET WITH
THEM ESPECIALLY SINCE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT MAY DISAGREE WITH
ME, BUT BASED ON THE ETHICS RULES OF THE CITY AND THE STATE,
THE MAYOR HAS PERSONALLY HAS A CONFLICT AND SOMEONE ELSE
SHOULD NEGOTIATE IT.
I THINK AT THE VERY LEAST, WE SHOULD APPROVE A LETTER
APPROVED BY YOU AND OR THE CHAIR TO REPRESENTATIVE OF
RELATED TO ASK THEM TO CONSIDER THIS.
I THINK THEY ARE REASONABLE PEOPLE AND THEY WOULD.
SECONDLY, TALK OF THE REQUEST OF COMMISSIONER MEYERS.
BUT I WANT TO SUPPORT YOU IN THIS IN WHATEVER YOU DECIDE TO
DO.
02:29:27PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
CAN I -- I JUST HAD A THOUGHT, MISS
JOHNS.
OKAY.
SO JUST OUTSIDE OF RELATED GROUP, BECAUSE I MET MR. MILO FOR
LUNCH SOME MONTHS BACK.
AND I PURPOSELY DID NOT HAVE THIS CONVERSATION, BECAUSE I
DIDN'T KNOW I HAD THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO DO SO.
EVEN A CONVERSATION WITH THE MAY I DON'T REMEMBER IF SHE IS
OPEN PUTTING IT IN THE BUDGET TO MAKE THE YELLOW JACKETS
HOLE ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF TAMPA AND PARKS AND RECREATION
WHERE MONEY IS SET ASIDE.
DOESN'T HAVE TO BE RELATED GROUP FROM SOME PERSPECTIVE.
YOU KNOW COMMUNITY GOOD WILL.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE.
I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR BECAUSE THEY WATCH COUNCIL
MEETINGS.
I AM OPEN TO US MAKING AN EFFORT.
A SINCERE EFFORT TO NOT JUST KEEP KICKING THE CAN ON THE
YELLOW JACKETS WHERE THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING PARKS
AND REC IN AND SAY WHAT DO WE DO.
AND, YOU KNOW, TO -- TO IMPROVE THE SITUATION OVER THERE.
THE -- ONE THING -- AND PROBABLY -- I AM GOING TO GO AHEAD
AND SAY IT NOW BECAUSE I KNOW THAT MY REPORT -- THE REPORTER
MAY JUST TAKE THE BLURB OF WHAT I SAID ABOUT THIS ENTIRE
AREA AND GO AND SAYS IT NOW ON RECORD THAT WHEN -- WHEN THE
-- THE N. BOULEVARD HOMES WERE DEMOLISHED, WE DID IT ALL AT
ONE TIME.
AND A WONDERFUL PERSON IN MY COMMUNITY WHO IS A LICENSED
CLINICAL SOCIAL WORKER SAID THAT WAS GENOCIDE TO THE BLACK
COMMUNITY.
BECAUSE WE COULD HAVE DONE IT IN PHASES.
WHAT IRONIC ABOUT THAT, IN MIAMI, A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT,
HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, THAT THE RELATED GROUP ACTUALLY IS
STILL CONSTRUCTING, THEY DID IT IN PHASES.
AND SO THAT IS ONE OF THE FAULTS OF THE PAST ADMINISTRATION
IN DEALING WITH THIS BECAUSE I DID ASK THE PREVIOUS MAYOR
WHY DID YOU MOVE THE YELLOW JACKETS.
HE SAID BECAUSE NO KIDS THERE.
AND MY IMMEDIATE THOUGHT.
YES, BECAUSE YOU FOR DOWN THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
YOU FOR IT TO BE DOWN AT ONCE.
YOU DEMOLISHED IT.
NOW PER HERE AS A NEW BODY TO TRY TO RECTIFY THIS.
AND NOT, YOU KNOW, LOOK SO MUCH AT POLITICS, BUT, YOU KNOW,
AT -- DOING WHAT IS BEST FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA, ESPECIALLY
-- ESPECIALLY BECAUSE HANDS DOWN A HISTORICAL MARKER WOULD
BE THE EASIEST THING FOR US TO DO.
THAT -- THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
BECAUSE THE YELLOW JACKETS IS REAL.
AND THEY WERE THERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
IT ORIGINATED THERE.
SO THAT IS THE EASY PART OF US MOVING A MOTION FOR THAT.
LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT TO -- BECAUSE THEY MOVED OUTSIDE OF THE
COMMUNITY.
SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO RECTIFY.
AND I WANT THE ADMINISTRATION, AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL TO BE
A PART OF THAT.
AND NOT MAKE IT SO -- WHAT I NEED FROM THE STAFF IS FOR YOU
ALL TO COME UP WITH THE YES INSTEAD OF MONTHS AND MONTHS OF
COMING BACK AND TRYING TO ADDRESS THIS.
WE KNOW HOW WE CAN GET HERE.
WE CAN GET HERE FASTER IF THE STAFF AND CITY COUNCIL IS ON
BOARD.
THAT WHAT I WANT.
THAT IS WHAT I WANT.
I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
02:33:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND THEN CLENDENIN.
02:33:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I SAID IT EARLIER MANY TIMES.
IF THEY PROMISED SOMETHING AT CLINTON PARK, I THINK IT WAS.
AND THAT IS A LONG WAY FOR THEM TO TRAVEL AND WE SAID THAT
DURING THE MEETING A WAY BACK.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT.
I KNOW THAT THEY PLAYED AND PRACTICED AT PLYMOUTH PARK.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL OR NOT OR BROKE UP OR
NOT.
I DON'T KNOW, WHY THEN, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE YELL LOWELL
JACKETS.
I REALLY DON'T.
THAT IS THE FIRST -- TO THE YELLOW JACKET.
I REALLY DON'T.
THAT IS THE FIRST THING AND THE SECOND THING IS THE PARK.
AND MR. MULKEY WHO IS HEAD OF PARKS AND RECREATION CAN
ENLIGHTEN US.
WHAT SIZE IS THE PARK.
WHAT IS COMING UP AND IF THERE ARE ANY PLANS FOR IT,
WHATEVER.
HATE TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
02:34:08PM >>TONY MULKEY:
THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR.
TONY MULKEY, DIRECTOR OF PARK AND RECREATION.
2017, PARK HAS TWO SMALLER SIDES.
PLYMOUTH AND HAS THE LARGER FIELD.
FROM WHAT I RESEARCHED ON THIS AND FOUND, THERE WAS A LOT OF
NEXT ON WHICH SITES THEY WANTED OUT OF THE TWO THAT WERE
OFFERED.
AND IT WAS SETTLED ON THE CALVIN TAYLOR PARK AT THE END OF
THE DAY BECAUSE THEY HAD FIELDS AND SOME INFRASTRUCTURE THAT
THE OTHER DID NOT HAVE AT THAT POINT.
TIME THEY WERE TRANSFERRED, ADMINISTRATION ALLOCATED 250,000
FOR IMPROVEMENT TO THE SPACE.
THE FIELD WERE REDONE WITH REGRADING.
DUGOUTS REBUILT.
SINCE THEN INTERNALLY, WE HAVE FOCUSED ON RESOURCES
AND WE CONTINUE TO DO SO.
AND REALLY WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE WHAT WE
COULD DO.
WE WOULD LIKE A ROAD MAP.
WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
LEAVING HERE, I WILL HAVE OUR ATHLETICS TEAM LOOK AT THE
SITE AND WHAT WHOLESALE IMPROVEMENT CAN BE DONE AS WE
PREPARE OUR BUDGETS.
THAT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE RECENTLY ENGAGED WHERE
THE RAY AND INSTALLED NEW SCREENS AROUND THE PROPERTY WE
UNDERSTAND THE DYNAMIC WITH THE TRAILERS.
BRING IN PORTABLE REST ROOMS INSTEAD OF PORTALETS.
02:35:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I REMEMBER GOING OVER THE BRIDGE TO THE
RIGHT WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT TO THE PARK, THE YELLOW
JACKETS PARK.
STAND LOOKED TO ME LIKE IT WAS -- IT WAS A MAJOR PARK WITH
ONE BIG FIELD.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAD A COUPLE OF SMALLER FIELDS, BUT
IT LOOKED LIKE A SOFTBALL FIELD WHICH WAS THE SITE OF A
12-YEAR-OLD BASEBALL PLAYER BOYS AN GIRLS PLAYER.
I DON'T KNOW OF ANY DYNAMICS.
IF ANYTHING BIGGER THAN THAT.
I AM SURE IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN.
BUT I DON'T REMEMBER.
ONE PARK.
ONE LITTLE NEAT LITTLE THING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
02:36:20PM >>TONY MULKEY:
TWO FIELDS ON THAT SITE.
ONE WAS A WARMER FIELD COMPARABLE TO THAT PLYMOUTH SCYTHE.
02:36:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I DIDN'T REALIZE ALL THAT.
I WILL TALK TO YOU LATER WHEN YOU HAVE A CHANCE.
NOT NOW.
IT IS NOT ON THE ONLY FOR TODAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
APPRECIATE IT.
02:36:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I SUPPORT THAT TOO.
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
02:36:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YEAH, SOME OF WHAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA JUST
SPOKE ABOUT WAS WHAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT.
ONE, SOME OF THIS MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE THAT, ONE, THIS WAS
AN AGREEMENT THAT THE QUESTION WAS ASKED AND ANSWERED.
NOT JUST IN THIS ADMINISTRATION BUT THE PREVIOUS FAD
ADMINISTRATION.
SO IT IS LIKE, IT PUTS US IN A REALLY DIFFICULT DECISION
BECAUSE NOT EVEN THIS MAYOR, THE PREVIOUS MAYOR
ASSOCIATED THIS WITH A PRIVATE ENTITY AND REFERENCED
POSSESSION OF THE PROPERTY.
LEASE IS A LEASE.
IF YOU HAVE A BINDING LEASE.
YOU HAVE A MEETING OF THE MINDS OF TWO PARTIES AND YOU
SIGNED AN AGREEMENT, THAT IS A BINDING AGREEMENT.
SO, I MEAN, WE ARE LEFT WITH THAT REALITY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW COMFORTABLE I AM -- AND I AM GOING TO
CONTRADICT MYSELF WHEN UP FINISH THIS.
I THINK WE HAVE AN INTERNAL CITY THING WHERE WE HAVE JUST
LIKE IN MANY PARKS.
BUT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF THE SENSITIVITY OF THIS
PARTICULAR PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE YELLOW JACKET LEAGUE AND
WHAT IT MEANT TO SO MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO BRING THIS UP TO STANDARDS.
THAT IS A CITY RESPONSIBILITY.
NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PRIVATE ENTITY.
SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO.
WE ARE PROBABLY JUST ABOUT READY TO START IN THE NEXT FISCAL
YEAR BUDGET CYCLE.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT BUDGET CYCLE HAS ENOUGH TO PUT
PERMANENT REST ROOMS AND FACILITIES IN THERE THAT THE
COMMUNITY DEMAND, THE COMMUNITY WANTS.
MAKE SURE THAT STUFF IS THIS AND A CITY RESPONSIBILITY NOW I
AM GOING TO CONTRADICT MYSELF.
I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION.
AND I DON'T WANT TO BE REVISITING SOMETHING, A QUESTION
THAT HAS BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED.
I AM WONDERING IS IT TOO LATE BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE COUNTY
COMMISSIONER AGAIN MYERS HAS BEEN A STRONG ADVOCATE FOR THIS
CENTER WERE ACROSS THE WAY.
A SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENT ON -- ON HISTORY.
AND GOING TO BE AMAZING PROJECT HOPEFULLY, FINGERS CROSSED.
SEEM AS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO AND WHAT WE DID WITH THE
BENEFIT AGREEMENT IS KIND OF POINTLESS AT THIS POINT BECAUSE
OF WHAT COMMISSIONERS MYERS IS DOING.
AND BETTER USE OF RESOURCES BECAUSE IF WE BOUGHT A CAR -- WE
BOUGHT A 1970s PLYMOUTH AND NOW GOING TO BE A ROLLS-ROYCE.
ARE WE WASTING MONEY, TAXPAYER MONEY, AND BETTER USE OF THAT
MONEY FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND IS THAT A CONSERVATION -- A BROADER CONVERSATION THAT WE
SHOULD BE HAVING ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
THE WORLD CHANGED FROM THE TIME THIS BENEFIT AGREEMENT WAS
NEGOTIATED.
WE ARE IN A DIFFERENT WORLD.
WE PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, OTHERWISE WE
LOOK LIKE THE GOVERNMENT THAT PEOPLE HATE.
WHY CAN'T WE PIVOT AND AT LEAST HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
I THINK THAT IS THE -- AND LEGAL STAFF SAID THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT'S NOT IN COUNCIL.
IT IS THE ADMINISTRATION BUT I AM SAYING THAT FOR THE
PUBLIC.
SORRY, GO AHEAD.
02:39:42PM >>REBECCA JOHNS:
REBECCA JOHNS, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I WANT TO POINT THIS OUT.
THIS IS A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AND GAME ABOUT BECAUSE OF DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY.
AND NOW A COMMUNITY BENEFIT ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRES PUBLIC
MEETINGS.
ANY AMENDMENT TO THIS AGREEMENT NEEDS TO INVOLVE DISCUSSIONS
WITH THE COMMUNITY ALSO BECAUSE YOU ARE AMENDING A COMMUNITY
BENEFIT.
02:40:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I CONCUR 100%.
WHAT WE HAVE TO DO SOMEBODY NEEDS TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION AND
OBVIOUSLY THE ADMINISTRATION IS LISTENING TO THIS.
SO I THINK -- IT IS PROBABLY WISE TODAY HAVE THAT BROADER
CONVERSATION.
AGAIN, I AM UNCOMFORTABLE WITH IT TOO BECAUSE I GET THE FACT
WE HAVE AGREEMENTS AND WHEN DO YOU KEEP REVISITING THINGS.
EVERY TIME -- I GET THAT.
I TOTALLY GET THAT.
BECAUSE OF WHAT THE COMMISSION IS DOING AND THE PROJECT
ALONG THE WAY, I THINK THE SCALE OF IT WENT -- TIP IT OVER A
LITTLE BIT SAYING MAYBE WE CAN REVISIT THIS.
SECOND AND APART FROM THAT, WE NEED TO -- WE HAVE A LOT OF
IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE IN THE CITY AND THAT PARK
IS ONE OF THEM AND WE NEED TO HAVE THAT -- WE NEED TO HAVE
THAT -- WE NEED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
AND GIVE IT THE RESOURCES THAT IT DESERVES.
I AM DONE.
02:41:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
02:41:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
AND IN MY OPINION, THIS IS WHAT AMENDMENTS ARE MADE FOR.
THIS IS WHAT AN AMENDMENT.
02:41:12PM >> WHEN THINGS CHANGE, YOU AMEND.
I AGREE WITH EVERYONE ELSE THAT WE AT LEAST HAVE TO HAVE THE
CONVERSATION OF AMENDING IT.
YES, DO WE WANT TWO COMPETING COMMUNITY CENTERS ACROSS -- I
MEAN, WHAT IS THE VALUE IN THAT?
IN THEORY AT THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT WHEN EVERYONE
CAME TO AN AGREEMENT, THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA.
COUNTY IS GOING TO DO A BIGGER -- BASED ON DOWNTOWN HE SIGNS
I HAVE SEEN, MORE COMPREHENSIVE WHY ARE WE REPLICATING.
CAN WE TURN AND TAKE THE MONEY AND USE IT FOR THE YELLOW
JACKETS INSTEAD?
MY ONLY THING -- IF WE HAVE TO END UP DOING IT OURSELVES.
I AM FINE WITH THAT.
I DON'T WANT IT TO COME OUT OF THE PARK AND REC BUDGET AS A
WHOLE BECAUSE IT IS ALREADY LOW.
I WANT TO FIND THE MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE.
BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY THING I WOULD WANT -- AGAIN, I
DON'T THINK WE SHOULD START THERE.
IT SHOULD BE THE LAST THING.
I THINK WE WILL SAY WE WILL MAKE THEM WHOLE WHATEVER IT
TAKES.
BUT THE FIRST THING I WOULD LOVE TO DO TAKE THE MONEY THAT
WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TO THE CULTURAL CENTER THAT NOW THE
COUNTY IS GOING TO DO.
AND HELP -- AND, AS YOU SAID, THE MURAL.
WE CAN DO THAT OURSELVES.
AND JUST -- DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MOVE THAT MONEY TO MAKE
THEM WHOLE.
I THINK THAT IS ABSOLUTELY THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
I 100% SUPPORT YOU.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THE ENTIRE COUNCIL SUPPORTS YOU.
SO HOWEVER WE NEED TO GO FORWARD, I WILL SUPPORT -- I WILL
BACK YOU IN THAT.
02:42:40PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THE OTHER PART OF IF IS, IS THAT -- AND
COMMISSIONER MYERS -- WE DIDN'T TALK YESTERDAY.
SHE DID CALL ME.
BECAUSE TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES, THE COMMISSION AND, YOU KNOW
-- IF -- IF THEY ARE ON BOARD WITH HER -- WITH THE CULTURAL
CENTER, THERE IS A REVERTER CLAUSE IN PLACE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY IS NECESSARILY -- I DON'T KNOW
IF STAFF IS -- IS WILLING -- THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IS WILLING
TO GIVE THAT UP.
BECAUSE WE ARE BUILDING A CULTURAL CENTER THAT COULD ALSO BE
A PART OF WHAT -- WHAT COMMISSIONER MYERS IS TRYING TO DO.
I KNOW AT ONE POINT IT WAS OFFERED TO HER AND SHE DECLINED.
THAT IS WHY THIS IS SO COMPLICATED.
LET ME JUST SAY THIS.
WHAT CAN HAPPEN AT THE YELLOW JACKETS FIELD IS -- IS REALLY
IN TERMS OF, IN MY HEAD, A SMALL -- A MUCH SMALLER BUDGET
THAN BUILDING A CULTURAL CENTER.
TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
SIMPLICITY OF MAKING WHY THE HE WILL LOW JACKET WHOLE IN MY
MIND DOESN'T TAKE A LOT OF MONEY.
YOU ARE RIGHT, THE PARKS AND REC BUDGET IS TIGHT AND WOULD
REAR FOR THE -- YOU KNOW FOR THE BUDGET TO INCREASE IN ORDER
TO DO THAT IF IT WAS OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
SEE, THAT IS WHAT MAKES THIS TRICKY.
I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO NECESSARILY SUPPORT RELEASING THE
REVERTER CLAUSE.
WHAT ARE WE GET GOING WE GIVE THAT UP.
THAT IS NOT FAIR.
SUPPOSED TO BE USED FOR HEALTH SERVICES AND TO GIVE THAT UP.
WHAT ARE WE GETTING FROM THE COUNTY?
I DON'T KNOW.
THAT IS -- SO TODAY IS -- FOR -- WHAT I HAVE WOULD DO -- I
WOULD END WITH THIS.
YOU KNOW HOW -- I NEED A MOMENT OF REFLECTION BEFORE I EVEN
MAKE A MOTION.
I DON'T EVEN WANT TO RUSH TO MAKE A MOTION TODAY.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION.
I WILL COME BACK AT A DIFFERENT TIME.
BECAUSE IT WAS JUST A REPORT PRESENTED.
WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT IN TERMS OF -- WE
CAN ONLY TALK UP HERE.
I WILL GIVE IT SOME MORE THOUGHT.
BECAUSE -- BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF EVEN -- EVEN THE
CULTURAL CENTER THAT GWEN MYERS IS PROPOSING DONE HAVE
ANYTHING TO DO WITH US.
I DON'T KNOW IF SHE RAISED ALL THE FUNDING.
AT POINT I HEARD WOULD COST $50 MILLION.
CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE CHANGED SINCE SHE INITIATED THE
IDEA.
SO MUCH LONGER DOWN THE ROAD AND WE ARE STILL TRYING TO --
STILL TALKING OF THE YELLOW JACKETS AND THIS.
I JUST NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION, BECAUSE THE -- THE --
THE CULTURAL CENTER THAT THE COMMUNITY DECIDED ON WITH ROME
YARD, I DON'T WANT TO STEP ON THOSE TOES OVER AT BECAUSE
PEOPLE THAN THAT SIDE THAT WANT IT TO BE EXACTLY HOW THEY
INDICATED WITH ALL THAT CONVERSATION.
SO I WILL JUST END IT WITH THAT.
I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION.
02:45:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CULTURAL CENTER
BUILT.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE YELLOW JACKETS FIELD RESTORED TO
THE ORIGINAL LOCATION.
THAT IS MY GOAL.
WHATEVER YOU DECIDE.
02:45:54PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
I WILL GO AND HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE MAY I DON'T
REMEMBER AND SEE WHAT HER POSITION IS RATHER THAN MAKE A
MOTION AND HAVE TO WAIT FOR STAFF TO COME BACK.
IT IS JUST EASIER, YOU KNOW, TO HASH IT OUT.
BECAUSE I CAN TALK TO HER WITHOUT BREAKING SUNSHINE.
02:46:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO.
02:46:13PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I WILL START THERE.
02:46:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WANT TO BE SUPPORTIVE.
BUT YOU HAVE THE CONVERSATION AND REFLECT UPON IT.
AND WHEN YOU ARE READY TO MAKE THE MOTION.
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
02:46:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I JUST WANT -- FOR PEOPLE LISTENING.
I WANT PEOPLE -- THE PROPERTY ON THE -- ON THE ROME YARD
PROPERTY, THAT -- AGAIN, THAT QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED AND
ANSWERED AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT IS WHOLE BECAUSE THAT PROPERTY SWAP WAS DONE A LONG
TIME AGO.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FACILITIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY
UTILIZING UP TO STANDARDS AND THEY HAVE EVERYTHING THEY WANT
IN THAT FACILITY.
I THINK THAT IS A REALISTIC GOAL OF THIS COUNCIL AND
ADMINISTRATION.
I MEAN REVISITING, LIKE TAKING BACK PROPERTY THAT IS LEASED
--
02:46:59PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THAT WAS NEVER --
02:47:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HEARD SOMETHING AND WE CAN'T DO THAT.
JUST TO MAKE SURE WE -- AND EVERYTHING YOU SIDE.
02:47:07PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I FOUND OUT A LONG TIME AGO THAT
EXTORTION TO GET THE PROPERTY BACK.
02:47:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK IT APPROPRIATE THAT WE REQUEST
THAT THE ADMINISTRATION ADDRESS THE TWO ISSUES WE JUST
DISCUSSED.
ONE IS -- WHAT IS CONTAINED IN THAT -- IN THAT COMMUNITY
BENEFITS AGREEMENT.
IT PERTINENT TO 2026 AND BEYOND?
I MEAN, OR HAS TIME MOVED PAST THAT?
IS IT WORTH REVISITING THAT STUFF?
AND ALSO, HOW WE CAN -- HOW WE CAN MAYBE POSSIBLY REOPEN
THAT COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT -- I DON'T THINK RELATED
WANTS TO THROW MONEY AWAY EITHER.
I DON'T THINK -- BECAUSE THEY ARE OBLIGATED TO SPEND MONEY.
I DON'T THINK THEY WILL WANT TO SPEND MONEY THAT IS NOT
GOING TO BE APPRECIATED.
THEY ARE DOING THIS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DO THINGS FOR THE
COMMUNITY.
AND OBVIOUSLY SO I WOULD HAVE TO THINK THEY WOULD WANT TO
SPEND THEIR MONEY WISELY.
02:48:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY ELSE, NO?
YES, SIR?
02:48:10PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON COMMISSIONER MYERS'
REQUEST.
I KNOW COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON KIND OF ADDRESS IT AND MISS
FEELEY KIND OF ADDRESSED IT.
BUT THIS IS WHAT -- I HAVE TALKED TO COMMISSIONER MYERS AND
THEIR AID AND THEY ARE ASKING A MUTUAL RELEASE OF THE
REVERTER CLAUSE FOR THE COUNTY'S PROPERTY 210 3 NORTH ROME
AVENUE WHERE THE FUTURE ARTS AND CULTURAL CENTER WILL BE
BUILT.
THEY SAID THEY HAVE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE CITY
WITH SOME LANGUAGE.
MISS FEELEY OR SOMEBODY, CAN YOU JUST TELL US ONE MORE TIME,
IS THAT -- ARE YOU SAYING THIS WILL BE AN AMENDMENT ONCE
THAT IS SIGNED THIS IS AN AMENDMENT AND SPECIFICALLY THE
THING YOU ARE WORKING ON OR DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU TALKED
ABOUT EARLIER?
02:48:59PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I AM NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.
02:49:02PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE PARAGRAPH I JUST READ THAT THEY SENT ME
ABOUT THE REVERTER CLAUSE IN REGARD TO 2103 NORTH ROME
AVENUE.
IS THAT -- IS THAT -- THEY -- COMMISSIONER MYERS' AIDE SAID
NEXT BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE CITY.
I THINK SPECIFICALLY WITH REGARDS TO THIS LANGUAGE, WAS THAT
WHAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO AT THE BEGINNING OF THE
CONVERSATION THAT IS BEING NEGOTIATED AND WILL BE AN
AMENDMENT.
THAT DIFFERENT?
02:49:33PM >> WOULD NOT BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE CBA.
02:49:41PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NOTHING IN THE CBA THAT PREVENTS THE
REVERTERS.
02:49:45PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THEY ARE COMPLETELY UNRELATED.
NOW WITH THAT BEING SAID, IF AN AGREEMENT IS REACHED OR
SOMETHING HAPPENS WHERE IT APPEARS THAT THE OTHER CULTURAL
CENTER IS MOVING FORWARD.
CLEARLY WE WILL NOT HAVE TWO CULTURAL CENTERS, AND WE WILL
LOOK BACK AT THE CBA IN ORDER TO REAPPROPRIATE AND TO HAVE
THAT DISCUSSION.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE ARE AT THAT POINT YET WHERE ALL OF
THIS IS IN ORDER TO TAKE IT OUT OF THE CBA.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THOSE ASSURANCES YET.
SO THOSE NEGOTIATIONS, MR. MASSEY DID SEND OVER SOME
LANGUAGE FOR THE COUNTY TO CONSIDER.
HE BELIEVE THEY ARE REVIEWING THAT RIGHT NOW.
AND IF THAT -- IF WE WERE TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON THAT, I
BELIEVE THAT THOSE REVERTERS OR THE RELEASE OF THOSE
REVERTER ALSO COME BEFORE COUNCIL.
02:50:38PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE LAST THING.
FURTHER TO WHAT COUNCILMEMBER CLENDENIN SAID.
RELATED IS A PRIVATE COMPANY.
ONE OF THEIR AREAS OF INVESTMENT IS FOR.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE A FOR-PROFIT ORGANIZATION.
BUT THEY ARE VERY PHILANTHROPIC.
A DEAL WITH A DEAL.
THE CITY CUT A DEAL WITH THEM SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR THEM TO DO IS WORK WITH US OR
NEGOTIATE WITH US.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO IN AND CHANGE A DEAL THAT
WAS SIGNED SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
SO THAT WAS ALL I WANTED TO SAY.
02:51:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
02:51:13PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ONE LAST QUESTION.
DID WE -- DO WE HAVE OUR OWN PLANS FOR THE -- FOR THE LAND
THAT GWEN MYERS IS INTERESTED IN FOR A CULTURAL CENTER.
DO WE HAVE PLANS FOR IT AS WELL THAT ARE POSSIBLY IN PLACE?
02:51:29PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
NOT THAT I AM AWARE OF.
I MEAN, RIGHT NOW IT IS THE HEAD START CENTER, AND WHEN WE
LEASE IT -- OR CORN SAY IT TO THE COUNTY FOR THAT USE, THAT
IS WHERE WE SAID THE INTENT WAS GIVEN IN THE CONVEYANCE THAT
-- THAT LAND IS TO BE USED FOR THAT USE.
IF IT IS NO LONGER USE TODAY ARE THAT USE, THEN THE CITY
WOULD LIKE IT BACK.
02:51:52PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ISN'T A POSSIBILITY WE NEED THAT BECAUSE
OF THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THAT IS THERE.
NEED THAT IF SILT FOR HEAD START.
COUNTY WOULD STILL NEED THOSE SERVICES IN THAT LOCATION.
ANYWAY, YOU CAN'T ANSWER THAT.
THAT IS FOR THEM, MISS FEELEY, THANK YOU.
02:52:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
ANYTHING ELSE?
02:52:13PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
NOPE.
NOT FROM ME.
02:52:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, STAFF.
THAT WAS ROUGH.
02:52:17PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IT WAS FINE.
IT WAS NOT.
300 PEOPLE TO 3:00 IN THE MORNING IS ROUGH.
02:52:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT IS TRUE.
ITEM 61.
02:52:29PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
GOOD AFTERNOON, BRANDON CAMPBELL OF THE
MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
UPLOADED A BRIEF PRESENTATION FOR ITEM 61 IF THAT CAN BE
BROUGHT UP.
02:52:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THERE WE GO.
02:52:51PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
SO THE QUESTION YOU ASKED US ALL TO ADDRESS
WHAT IS THE JUSTIFICATION FOR INSTALLING TRAFFIC SIGNALS AT THE
INTERSECTION OF FRANKLIN AND WATERS AND FRANKLIN STREET AND
THE DICK GRECO PLAZA PEDESTRIAN CROSS.
A LITTLE BACKGROUND AND SOME OF THIS WAS ADDRESSED IN PUBLIC
COMMENT THIS MORNING.
BUT IN JANUARY OF 2020, VIC AND I AND OTHER STAFF MEMBERS MET
WITH HARBOUR ISLAND STAKEHOLDERS AT THE TAMPA CONVENTION
CENTER TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHAT THEIR CONCERNS WERE ON THE
FRANKLIN STREET AND HARBOUR ISLAND CORRIDOR, SPECIFICALLY
BETWEEN BROREIN AND KNIGHT'S RUN.
SEVERAL THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT.
OVERARCHING THEME IS CONFLICTS BETWEEN PEDESTRIANS AND
VEHICLES.
AND MORE PARTICULARLY DURING SPECIAL EVENTS.
SO WE ENGAGED WITH CONSULTANT.
IT WAS STANTEK.
IF YOU ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH STANTEK THEY HAVE 1450 OFFICES
AROUND SIX CONTINENTS APPEAR ONE OF THEM HAPPENS TO BE ON
HARBOUR ISLAND.
DIRECTLY ON HARBOUR ISLAND BOULEVARD.
WE THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT FIT BECAUSE THEY HAD THE
COMBINATION OF THE DAILY USER EXPERIENCE WITH THE EXPERTISE
IN TRAFFIC ENGINEERING TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THE PROBLEMS
-- OR CONCERNS, I SHOULD SAY, THAT THE RESIDENTS BROUGHT UP
AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR MITIGATING SOME OF THOSE
CONCERNS.
THEY MADE SEVERAL OF THEM.
AMONG THEM, ONE HAS ALREADY BEEN IMPLEMENTED THAT IS NOTE
WORTHY AND TO EASY TO SEE THE PROGRESS ON.
RIGHT-TURN LANE OFF OF CHANNELSIDE OFF OF SOUTH FRANKLIN.
IT PREVIOUSLY WAS A SHARED.
CONVERT IT A RIGHT-TURN-ONLY LANE AND GAVE IT A SEPARATE
SIGNAL HEAD AND DEDICATED RIGHT TURN FACE TO HELP REDUCE THE
NUMBER OF CONFLICTS BETWEEN THOSE RIGHT TURNING VEHICLES AND
THE PEDESTRIAN ACROSS THE SOUTH SIDE CROSS.
THEY ALSO RECOMMENDED INSTALLING THE TWO SIGNALS IN
QUESTIONED TO.
I UPLOADED INTO ON BASE THE COMPLETE STUDY FAIRLY LENGTHY
AND I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO TOO MANY DETAILS OF THAT.
THEY LOOKED AT THE SIGNAL WAR RANTS OUTLINED IN THE TRAFFIC
CONTROL DEVICES.
A MOUTH FULL.
FEDERAL DOCUMENTS THAT SETS FORTH RULES AND EXPECTATIONS OF
ALL TYPES OF TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES AND SPECIFICALLY
SIGNALS AS WELL.
THERE ARE NINE WARRANT WITHIN THE WARRANT ANALYSIS GUIDANCE
AND THEY ARE MEANT TO ADDRESS DIFFERENT TYPES OF CONFLICT.
SO SOME OF THOSE ARE VEHICLE ON VEHICLE CONFLICTS.
SOME OF THOSE ARE CRASH EXPERIENCE.
SOME OF THEM HAVE TO DO WITH SCHOOL TRAFFIC.
THE ONE THAT -- THAT REALLY APPLIED MOST CLOSELY HERE WAS
WARRANT FOUR, WHICH IS THE PEDESTRIAN WARRANT.
A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT MEASURES.
AND THE STUDY TOOK COUNTS AT DIFFERENT TIMES TO COMPARE THE
CONFLICTS BETWEEN THE -- THE VEHICLES USING THOSE
INTERSECTIONS AND THE PEDESTRIAN USING THEM AS WELL.
AND -- AND WITHIN THAT STUDY, THERE WERE -- SO THERE IS --
THE WARRANT ITSELF USE AS GRAPH.
AND HAS A MINIMUM THRESHOLD FOR PEDESTRIANS, BUT THAT
MINIMUM THRESHOLD.
IT CHANGES DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH VEHICLE TRAFFIC IS THERE.
SO JUST TO SIMPLIFY IT.
A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEDESTRIANS BUT NO VEHICLES TO CONFLICT
WITH THEM.
THAT THRESHOLD WILL BE MUCH HIGHER BECAUSE JUST NOT THAT
MUCH CONFLICT.
SO THE -- THERE IS A LITTLE TEXT ON HERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN READ IT, BUT THE STUDY ITSELF TALKED
ABOUT HOW TRAFFIC SHOULD FLOW MORE EFFICIENTLY BY ORGANIZING
AND SEPARATING THE PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENTS FROM THE VEHICLES
AND IN SHORT, BRINGS MORE ORDER TO THE EXPECTATIONS OF ALL
USERS.
BOTH PEDESTRIANS CURRENTLY AS IT STANDS.
NOTHING TELLING ANY PEDESTRIANS TO WAIT FOR A VEHICLE TO GO
THROUGH.
AS FLORIDA STATE LAW OUTLINES AND AS SHOULD BE THE CASE,
VEHICLES ARE REQUIRED TO YIELD TO PEDESTRIAN IN THE
CROSSWALK AND THERE IS REALLY NO ORDER TO IT IN THE WAY THAT
PEDESTRIANS MAY BE BUNCHED TOGETHER AND CROSS -- AND CROSS
IN A GROUP.
WE INTEND AS WE SIGNALIZE THESE TWO LOCATIONS TO -- TO TIME
THOSE SIGNALS AND SET UP DETECTION SO THAT THEY REMAIN IN
GREEN FOR FRANKLIN STREET WHEN THERE IS NO CONFLICTING
DEMAND.
AND THAT -- THAT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM THE CONSTANT
LEAVE CYCLING SIGNALS THROUGHOUT MUCH OF DOWNTOWN.
HOWEVER, THERE IS AS GOOD ANALOG TO THAT IF YOU GO DOWN
JACKSON STREET IN FRONT OF THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOL.
THE DISTRICT BUILDING.
THERE IS -- THERE IS A -- A SIGNAL THERE THAT REMAINS IN
GREEN FOR EASTBOUND TRAFFIC UNLESS SOMEONE PUSHES THE BUTTON
OR ON A SIDE STREET.
SOMETHING BE COULD ON OCCASION THAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES ALLOW
FOR AND DICTATE.
I DID WANT TO SHARE A GRAPHIC -- A GRANT TO THE COMMUNITY.
CONCERN OF SPACING OF THOSE SIGNALS.
AND I THINK IT IS HELPFUL TO ZOOM OUT AND TAKE A HIGHER
LEVEL LOOK TO SEE THAT THE SPACING OF THE SIGNALS THAT WOULD
BE INSTALLED AT WATER STREET AND AT THE -- AT THE CROSSWALK
ITSELF IN THE RANGE OF 50 FEET WHICH IS THE BLOCK SPACING
THROUGHOUT DOWNTOWN IS IT WHILE WE WERE IN THE EDGE OF THE
URBANIZED CORRIDORS WE ARE ON THE EDGE OF WHAT WE HAVE
THROUGHOUT DOWNTOWN.
WE ALSO -- I DID NOT PUT IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT I WANTED
TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS BROUGHT UP IN PUBLIC COMMENT
THIS MORNINGS JUST SO THAT WE ALL SORT OF ARE ON THE SAME
PAGE WITH THAT.
THERE WAS ONE THING THAT WAS -- THAT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT THE
POTENTIAL FOR A MINI ROUNDABOUT THERE.
I HAVE SOME CONCERNS OF FACE REQUIREMENTS OF A MINI
ROUNDABOUT.
ONLY ABOUT 55 FEET FROM CORNER TO CORNER DIAGONALLY ACROSS
THE INTERSECTION AND ADDITIONAL SPACE WOULD HAVE TO COME
FROM THE ADJACENT SIDEWALKS MOST LIKELY AND I DON'T KNOW IF
WE HAVE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY HERE.
EVEN MORE FUNDAMENTALLY THAN THAT.
IT SOLVES THE WRONG PROBLEM RIGHT NOW.
WHAT IS HAPPENING.
NOTHING TELLING PEDESTRIANS LET'S WAIT AND THEN CARS GO.
AND THEN YOU CAN GO AS GROUP.
THE CROSSWALKS ARE TREATED LIKE THEY ARE NOW.
WHEN A PEDESTRIAN WANTS TO CROSS, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO SO.
THE OTHER THING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP THIS MORNING THAT I
WANTED TO ADDRESS WAS THE TIMING OF THE TRAFFIC COUNTS THAT
WERE TAKEN FOR THE STANTEK STUDY.
I MENTIONED WE INITIATED THE STUDY IN EARLY 2020 JUST
BEFORE.
THE STANTEK STUDY IN 2022.
INTERVAL TO HOLD OFF TAKING THOSE COUNTS BECAUSE OF THE LACK
OF EVENTS IN DOWNTOWN SEPARATELY LOOKED AT TWO SEPARATE
EVENTS.
A PRESEASON LIGHTNING GAME AT THE ARENA AND THE OTHER A
CONVENTION CENTER EVENT.
IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE ESTIMATED ATTENDANCE WAS 6,000
AND PRETTY GOOD MEASURES WHAT TO EXPECT.
AND WE BELIEVE AT THIS TIME FRAME THOSE COUNTS WERE TAKE
SUNSHINE A CONSERVATIVE MEASURE WHAT IS GOING ON DOWN THERE.
SINCE THEN THE NUMBER OF EVENTS AND NUMBER OF PEDESTRIANS
HAVE ONLY INCREASED THEREFORE BE THERE INCREASING THE
CONFLICTS.
WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT
HAVE.
03:01:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:01:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR GOING THROUGH THIS.
03:01:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I AM SORRY.
03:01:34PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE BOTTOM LINE WITH THIS IS THAT THE
HARBOUR ISLAND COMMUNITY DOESN'T WANT EITHER ADDITIONAL
LIGHT.
A YEAR OR TWO AGO, THEY SAID SINCE YOU ALL AREN'T BUDGING,
WE WILL ACCEPT THE MARRIOTT -- THE LIGHT AT MARRIOTT AT THE
BRIDGE AND NOT ACCEPT IT THAT THE GRECO PLAZA.
THE CITY DID DIRTY POLITICS.
SAME TYPE OF DIRTY POLITICS IN THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT WHEN
SOMEONE IS MAKING $65 MILLION.
YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WOULD PUSH THAT.
THIS IS JUST A RED LIGHT.
I ASKED THE LIGHTNING MORE THAN ONCE, DID YOU ALL ASK FOR
THIS.
THEY SAID NO.
THUNDER ALLEY -- THEY DIDN'T ASK FOR IT.
THEY DON'T NEED IT.
WHY WOULD SOMEONE PUSH SO HARD FOR THIS.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
THE ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO BE PROVEN RIGHT OR SOME ENGINEER
WANTS TO BE PROVEN RIGHT?
A COROLLARY IS THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF ERRATIC DECISIONS
MADE IN THE MOBILITY AND STORMWATER TO SOME EXTENT.
BUT MOBILITY ON -- ON EAST OF WILSON MIDDLE SCHOOL ON SWANN
ABOUT A YEAR AGO, THE CITY WINTER IN AND SUDDENLY PUT BIKE
LANES IN PLACE OF CARS.
AND SO THE RESIDENTS ALL CALLED ME AND SAID WHY DID THEY DO
THIS?
THEY DIDN'T TELL ANYTHING ABOUT IT TO US.
THE CITY PUSHED BACK AND SAID NO, WE ARE GOING TO KEEP THIS.
I CALLED VIK AND I SAID THIS IS CRAZY.
YOU ARE CAN'T DO SOMETHING WITH THIS.
VIK SAID I WILL LOOK AT IT.
I GOT E-MAILS FROM WALK-BIKE TAMPA.
I CALLED THEM AND SAID WHAT HAPPENED?
HOW DID YOU GUYS EVEN THOUGH ABOUT THIS?
AND YOU KNOW THIS DIDN'T EXIST UNTIL A FEW DAYS AGO.
THEY SAID A MEMBER OF THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT CALLED THEM.
TOOK THEM ON A TOUR, A WALKING TOUR AND EXPLAINED HOW THIS
WAS A DUMB IDEA AND I WAS A BAD GUY BECAUSE I WANT TODAY GET
RID OF BIKE LANES WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE.
BECAUSE I AM IN FAVOR OF BIKE LANES.
ERRATIC DIRTY POLITICS.
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION REPRESENTING THE NEIGHBORS.
THE MAYOR, THERE WAS TWO OR THREE PUBLIC MEETINGS WHERE THEY
DIDN'T INVITE THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WE KNOW IN HINDSIGHT AND PROBABLY
LAWSUITS ABOUT THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT.
IT IS ABSOLUTELY INSANE AND IRRESPONSIBLE WE PASS SOMETHING
LIKE THIS.
BUT TO FIGHT OVER -- OVER A -- A -- ATTRACT LIGHT WHEN WE
NEED POTHOLES FILLED ALL OVER THE CITY.
WE NEED MORE TRAFFIC LIGHTS ON BAYSHORE.
WE NEED TRAFFIC LIGHTS IN OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND -- I AM NOT ASKING A QUESTION BUT I AM
MAKING A STATEMENT.
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND SOMEONE IN THE ADMINISTRATION AND STAFF.
WE HAVE SEEN ERRATIC BEHAVIOR FROM SOME OF THE STAFF, BUT WE
ACTUALLY SEE THIS.
COMMUNITY ABSOLUTELY DOESN'T WANT IT.
OTHER THING WE KNOW -- I GO THROUGH THERE MYSELF AND BACK UP
HOW THE WAY TO HOWARD AVENUE, WE HAVE A PEDESTRIAN PROBLEM.
WHAT HAPPENS IF WHEN YOU ARE TURNING RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE
CONVENTION CENTER, THERE ARE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING THERE.
I ASKED MANY TIMES TO BAN HAVING THE POLICE HAPHAZARDLY SHUT
THINGS DOWN BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS CAN HANDLE
EVERYTHING.
WE NEED TO STOP THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC ON THE NORTH SIDE OF
THAT STREET.
AND HAVE IT ALL TO THE SOUTH SIDE, BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN'T TURN
RIGHT.
IT IS BLOCKING -- IT IS -- IT IS CAUSING GRIDLOCK IN SOUTH
TAMPA BECAUSE OF THAT BURN TURN.
THE SECOND TURN IS UP ON THE NEXT STREET NEAR PAM IORIO
GARAGE.
NEED TO GIVE PEDESTRIANS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
THE WAY IT IS BEING HANDLED IS HAPHAZARD.
THE WHOLE DOWNTOWN TRAFFIC SYSTEM IS MADE UP.
I TALKED TO THE TRAFFIC PLAYERS AND THEY ARE ALL UPSET ABOUT
IT.
AGAIN, NOT A QUESTION.
WHY THIS ADMINISTRATION IS PLAYING SUCH DIRTY POLITICS OVER
ATTRACT LIGHT.
DOESN'T SENSE.
GIVE IT UP AND MOVE THE MONEY TO POTHOLES AND GIVE HARBOUR
ISLAND WHAT THEY WANT.
03:05:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
I WANT TO HIT ON SOME OF THEM.
SOME I MAY CONCUR, SOME MAY NOT.
THAT INTERSECTION COMES UNTIL OFF OF THE BRIDGE, COMING INTO
DOWNTOWN, MAKING THE RIGHT ON FRANKLIN IS A MESS.
HE FIND IT TERRIBLE POLICING AND THEIR TRAFFIC CONTROL IS
TERRIBLE.
JUST TERRIBLE.
AND I EXPERIENCE THAT ALL THE TIME.
I MADE COMMENTARY TO POLICE OFFICERS.
YOU GUYS GO THE TO DO A BETTER JOB OF POLICING THAT
INTERSECTION.
BADLY.
THEY NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE ARE
HAVING TO SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES OF COUNCILS AND
ADMINISTRATIONS OF A BYGONE AREA.
THEY COMPLETELY OVERDEVELOPED WITHOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND
EVERY TIME WE PUSH BACK ALL THE TIME.
SOMETIMES WITH PEOPLE COME WITH WHAT LOOKS LIKE A GOOD
PROBABLY AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE DOESN'T SUPPORT IT.
AND THEN NOW SOME -- HERE WE ARE AS A LIVING EXAMPLE OF --
OF A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT.
YOU KNOW WE HAVE SOME -- YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS THAT ARE
HAPPENING IN OUR HARBOUR ISLAND.
MUCH TO SOME FOLKS' DISPLEASURE AND GOING TO CONTRIBUTE MORE
TO THIS PROBLEM INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUE.
SOMETHING TELLS ME THAT NONE OF THIS.
NONE OF THIS IS THE SOLUTION.
NOTHING THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
THIS IS ALL LIPSTICK ON THE PIG OR BAND-AID.
WHATEVER EUPHEMISM WOULD LIKE TO USE.
IT WILL CREATE AS MANY PROBLEMS AS WE ATTEMPT TO SOLVE.
OBVIOUSLY THE SOLUTION WILL BE FOR THE TAMPA CONVENTION
CENTER TO EXPAND OVER THE ROAD AND HAVE EGRESS ON THE EAST
SIDE OF FRANKLIN SO WE DON'T HAVE ALL THIS PEDESTRIAN
TRAFFIC GOING BACK AND FORTH.
YOU KNOW THAT IS THE SOLUTION. THIS -- THIS IS NOT THE
SOLUTION.
BUT, YOU KNOW, LIABILITY -- I DON'T KNOW.
I WILL TALK -- I -- I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
BECAUSE I HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN IT.
BECAUSE I LIVED IN FRONT OF THE BIKE LANES YOU TALKED ABOUT
ON SWANN.
NOW THAT YOU OPENED IT UP, I WILL TELL YOU THAT IN THE
EXCHANGE FOR JUST A COUPLE OF PARKING SPOTS, BIKE RIDE --
RIDE-BIKE.
WHATEVER THE ORGANIZATION.
THEY ARE RIGHT.
WHEN -- WHEN THE -- WHEN THE PUBLIC PRESSURE FROM A HANDFUL
OF PEOPLE ENDED UP CREATING -- MADE THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT
GO THERE AND RESTRIPE THAT PROPERTY.
WE NOW HAVE A MUCH MORE UNSAFE POSITION ON SWANN WITH
BIKERS, WALKERS, CAR TRAFFIC.
WE HAVE COMPRESSED -- COMPRESSED LANES.
PEOPLE CAN'T BACK OUT INTO THEIR DRIVEWAYS BECAUSE TRAFFIC
IS RIGHT UP THERE AGAINST YOU AND LITERALLY IN EXCHANGE FOR
A COUPLE OF PARKING LOTS.
MOBILE WENT IN THERE AND RESTRIPED IT.
I UNDERSTAND THE ARTS CENTER.
FOR THE GREATEST GOOD AND THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF PEOPLE FOR
THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WE SHOULD HAVE LEFT WELL ENOUGH ALONE AND LET THE BIKE LANES
TO BE PROTECTED AND SAFE BECAUSE A HIGHLY USED CORRIDOR FOR
WALKERS AND BEAKERS.
HIGHLY USED CORRIDOR AND ALSO CARS, BY THE WAY.
NOT SO MUCH PARKING.
I MEAN, LITERALLY HANDFUL OF PARKING SPOTS.
ANYWAY, I DIGRESS.
WE HAVE GOT TO DO BETTER.
SO I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
SO THE TRAFFIC ROUNDABOUT.
I SPENT THE LAST WEEKEND OR SO WITH SARASOTA WITH A PLETHORA
OF ROUNDABOUTS.
WHAT DOES IT SOLVE AND WHAT PROBLEMS WILL IT CREATE, A SMALL
ROUNDABOUT@AT THE INTERSECTION BY THE MARRIOTT.
SO A ROUNDABOUT.
AS IT WAS PRESENTED THIS MORNING, I KNOW A MINI ROUNDABOUT
WAS DISCUSSED.
IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I BELIEVE THAT HAD THE ENGINEER WHO
BROUGHT IT UP SAID 880 FEET IN DIAMETER.
AND SO, I AM NOT CERTAIN IT EVEN FITS.
SO JUST FOR CLARITY THERE.
03:09:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S SAY WE CAN GET THE PROPERTY.
IF HYPOTHETICALLY THE PROPERTY WASN'T A PROBLEM.
03:09:15PM >> ROUNDABOUT WILL THE TURNING VEHICLES.
AND BECAUSE NO ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC CONTROL AT THE CROSSWALKS
OPPOSED TO WHAT IS OUT THERE NOW.
THE TARGETED ISSUE WHICH IS CONFLICTS BETWEEN PEDESTRIAN AND
CARS IS NOT REALLY MITIGATED BY A ROUNDABOUT.
ROUNDABOUTS SLOW TRAFFIC -- I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS TRULY
A SPEED PROBLEM THERE.
BUT -- SLOWING TRAFFIC AND -- AND SEPARATING CONFLICTS
BETWEEN CARS CLENDENIN CLEAN JUST BETWEEN CARS.
PURPOSE -- IF WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS FROM A PURELY HOW WE
ARE GOING TO DESIGN THE BEST SYSTEM TO RESOLVE CONFLICT
BETWEEN VEHICLES AND VEHICLES AND VEHICLES AND PEDESTRIAN.
AND YOU ARE GOING TO DESIGN WITH LAYOUT WE HAVE NOW WITH THE
HOTELS, THE ARENA, THE CONVENTION CENTER, THE RIVERWALK, AND
-- AND EGRESS AND INGRESS TO HARBOUR ISLAND.
HOW WOULD YOU FIX THIS IF YOU WEREN'T USING A TRAFFIC LIGHT?
THAT SOUND LIKE A VIK BHIDE QUESTION.
03:10:18PM >>VIK BHIDE:
MAY I ADDRESS THAT?
03:10:21PM >> SURE.
03:10:21PM >>VIK BHIDE:
I THINK YOU HIT ON A REALLY GOOD POINT.
AND THERE IS AN ASYMMETRY BETWEEN THE KIND OF LAND USE AND
THE DENSITY THAT WE HAVE IN DOWNTOWN.
AND THE KIND OF TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM WERE LINKED TO BECAUSE
OF CIRCUMSTANCES.
IDEALLY, THE KIND OF LAND USE THAT WE HAVE IN OUR DOWNTOWN
IS BEST SERVED BY -- BY SIGNIFICANT TRANSIT SERVICES AND A
MUCH DIFFERENT MODE MIX WE ARE PRIMARILY CARS AND WE SAY A
PEDESTRIAN PROBLEM, MOST OF THOSE PEDESTRIAN ARE DRIVERS AS
WELL.
03:11:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BUT ACCEPT THAT WE HAVE SO MANY BECAUSE OF
THE HOTELS AND TOURISTS AND LIGHTNING GAMES.
SO WE HAVE A HIGH -- A HIGH DENSITY OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC IN
THIS PARTICULAR AREA AND A MAJOR RESIDENTIAL -- MIXED USE
RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY ON AN ISLAND WITH ONLY TWO BRIDGES
THAT HAVE TO TRANSITION THROUGH THIS AREA.
WHY AREN'T WE TALKING OF ELEVATED TRANSITIONS FROM EAST TO
WEST?
03:11:30PM >>VIK BHIDE:
PRIMARILY BECAUSE THEY DON'T WORK.
THE DATA SHOWS --
03:11:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT IF YOU BLOCKED OFF ACCESS?
03:11:36PM >>VIK BHIDE:
THAT IS NOT THE BEST DESIGN TREATMENT RIGHT NOW
BASED ON THE STATE OF THE PRACTICE WHAT I CAN SHARE IS --
THERE ARE TWO ASPECTS HERE.
ONE IS WE CERTAINLY GOT THE LAND USE THAT DID NOT EXIST
BEFORE AND NOW IS TRAFFIC.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS NOT BEEN USED TO.
NO DOUBT ABOUT IT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC
RELATIVE TO OURSELVES 15 YEARS AGO, A LOT OF TRAFFIC WE YOU
LOOK AT OTHER CITIES WITH SIMILAR LAND USE.
MIAMI AND DOWNTOWN PORTIONS OF ORLANDO AND SIMILAR CITIES.
YOU HAVE SIMILAR TRAFFIC.
03:12:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SITTING ON BAYSHORE TO GET TO THE
CONVENTION CENTER IS NOT LIKE ANY OTHER --
03:12:27PM >>VIK BHIDE:
YOU HAVE DRIVEN IN MIAMI?
03:12:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OH, YEAH, FOR SOMETHING SIMPLE.
WITH TRAFFIC, A MUCH MORE COMPLEX AND BIGGER SCALE PROBLEM
RATHER THAN PEOPLE WALKING ACROSS THE STREET.
I MEAN, IT IS --
03:12:39PM >>VIK BHIDE:
ABSOLUTELY.
03:12:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT IS THE THING.
WE HAVE SOME VERY -- SHOULD BE SIMPLE.
SO WHAT -- HAVING THE CONVENTION CENTER ENTRANCE ON THE EAST
SIDE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD.
IS THIS DRIVING THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, THE CONVENTION
CENTER.
03:13:00PM >> WHAT IS DRIVING THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC IS MULTIPLE THING,
THE RIVER WALK, CONVENTION CENTER, THE STREETCAR WHICH HAS A
LOT OF TRAFFIC, AND THEN THE GARAGE.
THE IORIO GARAGE AND THEN THE ARENA.
TRAFFIC IN BOTH DIRECTIONS IN THE AREA.
AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SHARE WHEN WE HAD THE COMMUNITY
MEETINGS AND WE INFORMED ALL COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHEN WE HAD
THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, WE IS IT SHARE THAT THERE IS A
LONGER TERM VISION HERE THAT IS MOVING SLOWER THAN MAYBE I
ANTICIPATED.
AND THIS VISION IS THE FIRST PHASE OF WATER STREET INCLUDED
WHAT YOU SAW RIGHT NOW.
BUT THERE WAS A GARAGE PLAN WHICH IS NOW BEING BUILT AT
CUMBERLAND AND MORGAN AND WILL TAKE THE PARKING ENERGY
FURTHER UP TO CUMBERLAND.
THAT CREATES THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE RIGHT NOW IS PEOPLE
WAITING TO PARK AND QUEUEING UP AND CREATES A LOT OF THE
BACK-UPS.
ONCE THAT MOVES OUT, THEN ONCE THE RAMP FROM THEA GOES ALL
THE WAY TO MERIDIAN, MOVE ALL OF THE TRAFFIC FROM THE
CHANNELSIDE AREA AND MORE ON THE CUMBERLAND AND MERIDIAN.
AND FOR GOOD REASON, BUT THE COMBINATION OF THESE THINGS
THAT WILL MAKE THE SITUATION A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
03:14:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WITH PEDESTRIAN AND SAFETY AND YOU WENT
DOWN TO MOVING CARS.
I GUESS I AM NOT CATCHING THE --
03:14:44PM >>VIK BHIDE:
THEY ARE BOTH RELATED.
WHERE PEOPLE PARK ONCE THEY PARK, THEY ARE WALKING TO THESE
DESTINATIONS AND CROSSING INTERSECTIONS.
THAT -- THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
SO.
ONCE THE PEOPLE ARE PARKING DOWNTOWN, YOU ARE NOT SEE THE
VEHICLE AND PEDESTRIAN CONFLICT.
03:15:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HAVE WE DONE A PEDESTRIAN STUDY WHERE
PEOPLE COMING FROM AND WHERE THEY ARE GOING?
IS THAT --
03:15:13PM >>VIK BHIDE:
ORIGIN DESTINATION STUDY?
WE HAVEN'T.
WHAT WE OBSERVED IS MOST OF THE TRAFFIC IS EITHER FOOT
TRAFFIC FROM HOTELS DURING EVENTS THAT COME TO THE CON
COLLEGE CENTER AND THE ARENA.
03:15:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONE LAST QUESTION AND THEN I WILL SHUT UP.
HAVE YOU PURSUED ANY OTHER SOLUTION BESIDES WHAT IS BEFORE
-- OR WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY?
03:15:43PM >>VIK BHIDE:
WE HAVE LOOKED AT A FEW OPTIONS ON WHAT TO DO.
I DON'T REMEMBER SPECIFICALLY IN THE REPORT WHAT WAS
MENTIONED.
WHAT WE HAVE PUT FORTH IS A CONTINUATION OF THE DOWNTOWN
GRID AS BRANDON MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE.
SO WITHIN THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE AND WHAT WE CAN DO OUT
THERE, THIS IS THE BEST SOLUTION THAT WE ARE PUTTING FORTH.
AM I MISSING ANYTHING?
03:16:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:16:20PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IT IS HARD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS GOING
ON.
BUT I THINK I CAN TELL YOU WHY IT LOOKS IN A WAY.
IT IS CALLED ONE WORD "SUCCESS."
03:16:29PM >>VIK BHIDE:
YES.
03:16:30PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT WORD RIGHT NOW IS THE PAYMENT THAT
WE ARE PAYING FOR SUCCESS.
THE TIME WE USE IN MOVING AND DRIVING AND GETTING ACROSS THE
STREET AND DOING THINGS WE NORMALLY NEED TO DO.
AND WE REALLY WANT TO GO BACK IN THE '70s.
I DIDN'T HAVE TO LOOK TO GO OUTSIDE.
MAKE A LEFT-HAND TURN AND GO HOME.
NO ONE WALKING THE STREETS.
NONE.
THROUGH -- THROUGH THE TIME OF DIFFERENT MAYORS DOING THE
BEST THEY CAN TO MAKE IT BETTER.
IT HAS GOTTEN BETTER AND THROUGH COUNCIL GETTING BETTER.
BY THE WAY, NO MAYOR DOES ZONINGS.
CITY COUNCIL DOES THE ZONINGS.
SO IF I AM GOING TO TAKE HEAT, I AM GOING TO TAKE IT FOR
MYSELF.
SO ALL THESE THINGS COMING TOGETHER AND ACCUMULATION OF A --
OF 20 YEARS SEEMS LIKE A LOT.
BUT A SHORT TIME IN HISTORY.
ALL THAT HAPPENED IN THE LAST 20 YEARS.
SO WE USED TO HAVE A PEOPLE MORE TO CROSS OVER AND
EVERYTHING ELSE.
WE TOOK IT OFF-LINE.
IT WASN'T BEING USED.
A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENED THAT HAS CHANGED THE CHEMISTRY OF
PEOPLE, THE TOLERANCE OF PEOPLE IS VERY LOW.
AND I AM NOT TALKING OF ANYONE SPECIFIC.
ALL OF US AND YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT LIFESTYLES.
AND YOU WANT TO GET BETTER, QUICKER AND FASTER ALL AT ONE
TIME.
WHEN THERE IS AN EVENT, AND I AM NOT GOING TO MENTION WHERE
OR ANYTHING ELSE.
AND YOU WANT TO GET OUT OF HERE WHERE THERE IS A EVENT
LEAVING, YOU CAN'T GET OUT.
IT HAPPENS TO EVERY BUSINESS.
IF YOU ARE SUCCESSFUL, YOU ARE GOING TO CREATE SOMETHING
THAT WILL SOMEHOW REDUCE AND HOW DO YOU GET AROUND.
SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING.
AND IT JUST -- WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING
SPECTACULAR.
I DON'T KNOW HOW OR WHEN.
THERE WERE NO HOTELS IN DOWNTOWN.
THE CONVENTION CENTER WAS SUFFERING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF
LOSS.
ONE HOTEL CAME IN, THE MARRIOTT WATERSIDE, I BELIEVE THAT
IS.
TWO OR THREE OTHER HOTELS INCLUDING A FIVE-STAR HOTEL.
SO YOU HAVE JUST HOTEL ROOMS ALONE WENT MAYBE 1,000 ROOMS.
WELL, TAMPA WAS RANKED ONE-TWO FOR HOTEL OCCUPANCY IN THE
LAST YEAR OR TWO.
THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE PEOPLE IN OTHER AREAS BANG THEIR
CHESTS.
FILLING THE ROOMS.
NO, EVERYBODY IS FILLING THEIR ROOMS WHEN YOU GO OUT TO AND
SPEAK -- WHERE ARE YOU FROM.
THANK YOU FOR VISITING TAMPA.
VISITING TAMPA HAS DONE A MARVELOUS JOB OF BRINGING
CONVENTIONS.
MAYBE YOU WANT TO BLAME THEM.
THOSE THE ONES THAT BRINGING IN THE CASHOLA TO MAKE SURE
PEOPLE HAVE JOBS DOWNTOWN AND DIFFERENT AREAS OF TOWN.
AND GROWTH IS SOMETHING THAT IS BEAUTIFUL, BUT ALSO VERY
DANGEROUS.
BECAUSE YOU TAKING AWAY A LOT OF THINGS THAT YOU TOOK FOR
GRANTED, LIKE THE FREEDOM TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B IN
15 MINUTES INSTEAD OF AN HOUR AND THESE ARE THE THINGS WE
TRIED TO CHANGE NOW.
I AM NOT HERE TO POINT FINGERS TO NO ADMINISTRATION AND
MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
UNITED WHICH MADE TAMPA DIFFERENT.
WE MADE IT MORE COMPLEX.
AND WE MADE IT MORE DIFFICULT TO LIVE IN.
THANK YOU.
03:19:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:19:55PM >>VIK BHIDE:
IF I CAN ADD REAL QUICK.
WHAT YOU HEARD IN PUBLIC COMMENT WAS THAT -- I THINK THAT
EVERYONE RECOGNIZES THAT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING AND WHAT WE
ARE PROPOSE SOMETHING THAT SOMETHING IS WITH THE VERY
SOURCES THAT WE HAVE.
THE MOST SUITED TO OUR CONTEXT TODAY.
THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO ADDRESS THIS CHALLENGE IF WE HAD THE
LAND LOOK AT OTHER TREATMENTS.
BECAUSE WE ARE GROWING FAST AND WITH HE NEED TO DO
SOMETHING.
NOTHING IS NOT AN OPTION.
WE NEED CONSIDERATION.
03:20:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:20:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I THINK EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US HAVE SEEN A LOVELY PEDESTRIAN
CROSSWALK AND THEN SEEN SOMEBODY 20 FEET FORWARD JUST
CROSSING THE ROAD.
IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.
AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE.
IT HAPPENS EVERYWHERE.
DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU ARE.
AND YOU TELL -- YOU YELL TO THE PERSON IN YOUR CAR -- WHY
AREN'T YOU USING THE CROSSWALK, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE.
AND THEY DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, AS LONG AS THERE IS A CROSSWALK,
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO CROSS.
UNLESS THERE IS A SIGNAL.
IS THAT THE CORRECT --
03:21:13PM >>VIK BHIDE:
YES.
03:21:14PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THE REPEAT THAT STATEMENT AGAIN?
03:21:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF YOU WERE A PEDESTRIAN IN THE STATE OF
FLORIDA, AS LONG AS THERE IS A CROSSWALK THAT IS SIGNALIZED
-- OR THAT'S NOT SIGNALIZED, YOU CAN WALK WHEN JUMP WANT AND
CARS TECHNICALLY HAVE TO STOP FOR YOU.
03:21:29PM >>VIK BHIDE:
PEDESTRIANS HAVE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND VEHICLES
HAVE TO YIELD.
03:21:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ONCE IT IS SIGNALIZED, PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO
STOP "SUPPOSED TO" BEING THE IMPERATIVE PART OF THAT.
I ACTUALLY ASKED A POLICE OFFICER DURING -- MAYBE IT WAS A
GYMNASTICS -- ANYWAY, I WAS DOWN THERE AND I WATCHED A
OFFICER HELPING PEOPLE ACROSS.
I SAID, HEY, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF PUTTING A LIGHT HERE.
HE SAID THAT IS NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.
I SAID WHY.
HE SAID BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL WALK ANYWAY.
PEOPLE WILL STILL WALK.
I DON'T THINK IT IS A BAD IDEA TO EVEN CONSIDER PEDESTRIAN
LIGHTING THAT PARTICULAR PART AND SEE HOW THAT GOES BUT THE
PROBLEM IS THE WAY I SEE THE ACTUAL PROBLEM IS IF WE WANT TO
BE ABLE TO CLOSE OFF PEDESTRIAN ACCESS WE HAVE TO CLOSE OFF
CAR ACCESS TO THE ROUNDABOUT TO THE CONVENTION CENTER.
THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT.
THE ONLY WAY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RECONFIGURE THE CONVENTION CENTER TO
HAVE THE DRIVE-UP ENTRANCE BE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
BUT I THINK THE LONG-TERM SOLUTION IS THAT.
THE SHORT-TERM SOLUTION.
I THINK WE STILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT.
THE LONG-TERM SOLUTION IF YOU WANT TO MOVE CARS FROM THAT
AREA IS TO TAKE IT OUT OF THAT AREA WHICH IS A WASTE OF CARS
WHEN IT IS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL PROMENADE TO BE ABLE TO USE.
WE SEE IT ALL THE TIME ANYWAY.
S WILL A CYCLIST.
NEAR IMPOSSIBLE TO BE CYCLE THAT PART OF THE RIVERWALK.
IT IS VERY HARD THAT WILL BE MY PUSH FORWARD TO THE
CONVENTION CENTER STAFF WHO HAPPENS TO BE LISTENING IN PARKS
AND YOU ALL.
IF THAT IS NOT COMING ALREADY TO CONSIDER WHAT ELSE TO DO
HAVE A BETTER SPOT FOR CARS TO ENTER BECAUSE THAT WILL HELP
US WITH PEDESTRIAN ACCESS IN THIS AREA.
AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT HAVING -- HAVING THE
OFFICERS THERE ALL THE TIME HAVE ALSO GOT TO BE NOT THE
GREATEST ANSWER I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO LEAD THIS TODAY.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON LEFT QUICKLY.
AND -- AS FAR AS THE CONVENTION CENTER GOING TO THE OTHER
SIDE.
NOTHING WRONG WITH ADDING THE CONVENTION CENTER ON THE OTHER
SIDE AND STILL DOORS HERE AND PEOPLE WILL TAKE THE PATH OF
LEAST RESISTANCE EVERY SINGLE TIME.
EASIER FOR THEM TO GO DOWN -- TO OPEN THE DOOR, GO DOWN THE
STAIRS AND CROSS THE STREET, THAT IS WHAT THEY WILL DO.
03:24:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I SEE IT FLORIDA FRONT OF MY HOUSE.
A PROBLEMATIC CROSSWALK.
PEOPLE WON'T WALK MIDBLOCK TO THE CROSSWALK.
03:24:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT IS HUMAN NATURE.
JUST HUMAN NATURE.
I SEE HOW YOU TRIED TO SOLVE OF THAT PUTTING THE FENCES.
WE CAN'T CONTINUE THE FENCES BAA US THAT DRIVEWAY.
03:24:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEIGHBOR IS A SOLUTION.
03:24:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MIGHT BE THE AREA WE NEED TO LOOK AT NEXT.
HOW TO MOVE THE CONVENTION CENTER CAR, BUS, WHATEVER TRAFFIC
WHAT CAN WE DO THERE TO MOVE THAT OUT OF THE WAY.
A BETTER SOLUTION THAT REGARD BECAUSE THAT IS WAY TOO
VALUABLE OF A REAL ESTATE TO KEEP FOR CARS.
03:24:54PM >>Vic:
CONVENTION CENTER AND MASTER PLAN.
FEEDBACK WE PROVIDED RELATIVE TO THAT PLAZA.
SO IF THERE IS A NEXT ITERATION TO REDEVELOP THE CONVENTION
CENTER AND EXPAND THE CONVENTION CENTER.
THAT WOULD BE A STRONG CONSIDERATION.
03:25:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OH, IT'S COMING.
THE RENOVATION OF THE CONVENTION CENTER IS COMING.
THEY ARE WORKING ON IT.
03:25:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS.
03:25:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
SO THAT -- THAT IS A GOOD TO KNOW TO PUT IN THE BACK OF OUR
HAT FOR THINKING OF THAT GOING FORWARD IS PEDESTRIAN.
YEAH.
03:25:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO YOU NEED BOTH LANES?
03:25:38PM >>VIK BHIDE:
WHERE?
03:25:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU NEED BOTH?
03:25:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT I AM SAYING.
EVEN STARTING WITH A PEDESTRIAN LIGHT.
SEEING IF THAT IS ACTUALLY -- I WAS -- I EVEN ASKED YOU IN
OUR MEETING YESTERDAY IF THERE IS A WAY WE CAN JUST SIMPLY
DO TEST LIGHTS TO SEE IF IT EVEN WORKS.
AND THIS IS NOT REALLY FEASIBLE BECAUSE OF A MILLION REASONS
ARE, BUT EVEN THE POSSIBLE TEST OF A PEDESTRIAN LIGHT AT --
JUST AT THE DICK GRECO CROSSING TO SEE IF THAT COULD HELP.
I THINK WOULD YOU STILL NEED AN OFFICER THERE FOR QUITE A
TIME TO GET PEOPLE INTO THE MODE OF IT.
03:26:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF AN OFFICER WAS DISCIPLINED.
WOULDN'T THAT REPLICATE LIGHT.
03:26:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE OFFICER IS THERE ALL THE TIME.
03:26:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DISCIPLINED PROCEDURE.
03:26:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I GUESS SO.
03:26:27PM >>VIK BHIDE:
WHAT I MEANT YESTERDAY IS IT'S -- WE KNOW HOW
THE SIGNALS WILL WORK.
IN EFFECT, WHAT WE ARE DOING BY SIGNALIZING WATER IS MOVING
THE QUEUE WHERE -- IT IS NOT LIKE YOU GET OFF OF HARBOUR
ISLAND AND YOU DON'T GET TO A POINT AND YOU STOP AND
QUEUEING.
REMOVING THE QUEUE UP -- 300 FEET UP TO THE BRIDGE SO THAT
WE CAN ORGANIZE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY AND VEHICLE ACTIVITY
BETTER BETWEEN THE BRIDGE AND CHANNELSIDE DRIVE.
THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING SO IN EFFECT THAT IS WHAT WE ARE
DOING BECAUSE EVERYTHING COMING.
ANY VEHICLE COMING OFF OF FRANKLIN BRIDGE AND HARBOUR ISLAND
BRIDGE AND CONTINUE TO FRANKLIN STREET IS A RANDOM ARRIVAL
UNTIL WE GET TO CHANNELSIDE DRIVE.
THE SIGNAL DOESN'T KNOW IF VEHICLES ARE COMING OR NOT.
PEOPLE ARE QUEUEING UP THERE.
WHAT WE ARE DOING IS EFFECTIVELY MOVING THAT QUEUE 300 FEET
BACK UP TO THE HARBOUR ISLAND BRIDGE, BECAUSE THE ACTIVITY
BETWEEN THE HARBOUR ISLAND BRIDGE AND CHANNELSIDE DRIVE.
PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICLE CONFLICTS SPECIFICALLY IS VERY
ERRATIC.
AND SO SIMULATING THAT IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND THE
REST OF THE GRID WORKS IN A CERTAIN WAY.
THIS IS JUST EXTENDING THAT GRID BACK.
03:27:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I LIED.
I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
03:27:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD.
03:27:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF WE INVEST IN THE COST OF INSTALLING
THIS.
AND IN 12 MONTHS, WE FIND THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE IS JUST
NOT DOING THE INTENDED -- WHAT IS I CAN TENDED OR
PROBLEMATIC.
HOW DIFFICULT IS IT TO REVERSE COURSE?
03:28:15PM >>VIK BHIDE:
WE CAN ALWAYS ADJUST SIGNAL TIMINGS.
THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
03:28:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW MUCH MONEY IS INSTALLING THESE TWO
LIGHTS COST?
AND HOW MUCH -- AND HOW MUCH WILL IT TAKE TO UNINSTALL THEM?
03:28:29PM >>VIK BHIDE:
INSTALLING THEM COSTS MUCH LESSER.
BUT THE COST -- WHAT IS OUR COST RIGHT NOW FOR THE TWO
LIGHTS?
03:28:36PM >> WE DON'T HAVE THE DESIGN YET, BUT I WOULD -- I WOULD
SUSPECT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF $500,000.
03:28:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
THANK YOU.
03:28:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I -- I AM SO CHEAP.
AND I HATE TO PAY FOR PARKING SO I WALK THROUGH HERE ALL THE
TIME.
ALL THE TIME.
BECAUSE THE -- FIRST, I DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR PARKING.
SECOND, I NEED TO WALK.
THIRD, I AM NOT ADDING TO -- YOU KNOW, IF WE ARE GOING TO
PROMOTE A WALKABLE CITY.
I WANT TO SET AN EXAMPLE OF IT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING A -- HAVING A LIGHT THERE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH DIFFERENCE IT IS GOING TO MAKE.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TALKED ABOUT THAT -- THAT ENTRANCE WAY
TO THE CONVENTION CENTER, YOU KNOW.
IT HAS -- IT HAS SOME PARKING FOR SOME CARS, BUT AT THE END
OF THE DAY, CREATES MORE OF A PROBLEM THAN ANYTHING.
WHAT ABOUT PUTTING JUST STOP SIGNS.
WOULD THAT BE EASIER INSTEAD OF A WHOLE TRAFFIC SIGNAL
SITUATION.
AND IF THAT WILL HELP, A CHEAPER ALTERNATIVE, FOUR-WAY STOP.
I DON'T KNOW, WE ARE A VICTIM OF OUR OWN SUCCESS.
AND THAT BRIDGE OFF OF HARBOUR ISLAND.
NARROW TWO LANES.
A VERY TRICKY SPOTS.
WHEN HARBOUR ISLAND WAS DEVELOPED, YOU HAD THE CONVENTION
CENTER COMING IN AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING OFF THERE.
AND YOU MIGHT HAVE CONVENTION CENTER TRAFFIC.
AND SOME PEOPLE LIVING IN HARBOUR ISLAND AND WHAT NOT.
AND SO BUSY IN WATER STREET.
AND I AM NOT SUPPORTIVE OF ATTRACT LIGHT.
AND HEARD FROM RESIDENTS IN HARBOUR ISLAND.
A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THIS MORNING.
MORE HAVOC AND GRIDLOCK AND PERHAPS WE NEED TO LOOK AT OTHER
ALTERNATIVES.
I LIKE THE ROUNDABOUT IDEA.
A MALL ROUNDABOUT.
I LIKE PUTTING STOP SIGNS IF THAT WORKS.
HAVING AN OFFICER THERE 24-7 OR AT PEAK TIME.
THAT IS THE OLD WAY OF DOING THINGS, YOU KNOW.
MAYBE IT WORKS.
MAYBE IT DOESN'T.
IT IS GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE TO HAVE A PERSON THERE.
A LOT OF TIME.
SO I KNOW WE ARE NOT MAKING ANY MOTIONED TO.
BUT I WOULD AVOID PUTTING A STREET LIGHT THERE.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
03:30:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I CAN TELL YOU ONE ITEM THAT YOU SPOKE
ABOUT THAT MAKES SENSE, ADDITIONAL PARK WHERE YOU PUT A
PARKING AREA.
THAT TAKES SOME TRAFFIC OUT.
AND I DON'T KNOW.
AND I AM NOT AN ENGINEERING AND I DON'T WANT TO BE ONE.
BUT WHERE THE PARKING GARAGE IS AT JUST ON THE NORTH PART OF
THE -- OF THE CONVENTION CENTER.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN BUILD BECAUSE OF THE WEIGHT COMING
DOWN.
COUPLE MORE TWO OR THREE DECKS HIGHER AND TAKE A LOT OF CARS
OUT AT THE CONVENTION CENTER THAT DON'T HAVE TO MOVE.
AND I THINK PARKING IS THE MAIN THING.
AND WITH THE EVENT AND YOU KNOW WHERE AND THEY ARE
SUCCESSFUL.
AND THAT CREATES AN ENORMOUS.
I WOULD IMAGINE THAT ALL THE PARKING IN DOWNTOWN IS TAKEN BY
THAT.
ONE WAY OR THE OTHER INCLUDING THE CITY PARKING LOT.
AND HAVE GOT TO BE SOMETHING TO BE DONE, EITHER THEY HAVE TO
TAKE THE TROLLEY AND MOVE FROM YBOR CITY.
AND SOMETHING DONE TO GET IT.
BECAUSE IT IS DANGEROUS, REAL DANGEROUS.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE SO ANYWAY.
THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE DEAL WITH.
SUCCESS HAS CAUSED OUR PROBLEM.
03:32:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
HAVE A WONDERFUL AFTERNOON.
ALL RIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 62.
03:32:20PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
I DON'T KNOW IF I NEED TO SAY MY NAME AGAIN
FOR THE RECORD, BUT BRANDON CAMPBELL FROM THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
I HAVE SOME MAPS TO DISTRIBUTE.
03:32:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MISS VAN LOAN, HERE FOR 55 AND 56,
BECAUSE WE GOT RID OF -- NOT GOT RID OF BUT -- YES, SIR, GO
AHEAD.
WE HAVE ITEM 63 AND THEN A LOT OF NEW BUSINESS.
03:32:52PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
I WILL GO QUICKLY.
I -- I DISTRIBUTED A MAP WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT RIGHT-OF-WAY
AND -- AND PARCELS AND EASEMENTS AS WELL.
THAT ARE RELATED TO THE -- TO THE WEST RIVER WALK AND THE --
AND THE WEST RIVER MULTIMODAL NETWORK PROJECTS THAT IS
BUILDING MOST OF THAT.
BUT BEFORE I ADDRESS THOSE SPECIFICALLY, I DID WANT TO
SHARE.
I DID NOT -- I DID NOT DISTRIBUTE THIS ONE, BUT JUST -- JUST
AS A REMINDER, I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE SEEN THIS MAP SEVERAL
TIMES.
BUT THERE ARE SOME SEGMENTS ALONG THE RIVERWALK ITSELF THAT
ARE NOT PART OF THE BUILD PROJECT THAT WAS RECENTLY
APPROVED.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS AN UNDERSTOOD DISTINCTION
BETWEEN THOSE THAT ARE PART OF THE BUILD PROJECT AND THOSE
WHO AREN'T.
ALTHOUGH THEY ARE ON THE MAP THAT DID REVIEW TO YOU ALL.
44 DIFFERENT PARCELS.
FOR SEGMENTS OF RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT ARE ADDRESSED WITH THIS.
MOST OF THEM ARE FINISHED IN TERMS OF ANY SORT OF NEXT.
I WANT TO POINT OUT THE GAP.
5A AND 5B.
SIX AND SEVEN.
EACH OF THOSE IS IN SOME STAGE OF MODIFICATION OR NEXT
BETWEEN OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND THE ATTORNEYS OF THE
RESPECTIVE PROPERTY OWNER THERE IS.
AND THAT, AGAIN, IS A FUNCTION OF THEM NOT BEING PART OF
THE FIELD FUNDED PROJECT.
SO -- SO -- WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE DETAILS OF THE -- OF
THOSE ONGOING NEGOTIATIONS.
I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT WE ARE PLANNING FOR INTERIM
CONNECTIONS WITHIN THOSE SHOULD THE SEPARATELY PURSUED
SEGMENTS TIMELINE NOT COMPLETELY MATCH UP WITH THE BUILD
PROJECT.
AND THAT IS ILLUSTRATED PRETTY AS WELL OF THE EXISTING
CONFIGURATION OF THE ARRIBELLA PROPERTY, 5-A AND 5-B.
A CONNECTION THAT WAS BUILT TO THAT RIVER WALK SEGMENT FROM
THE CLEVELAND STREET CORRIDOR.
SO WHETHER WE END UP NEEDING TO CONNECT IN THOSE SORTS OF
WAYS TO MAINTAIN CONTINUITY BOTH BEFORE FOR AN INTERIM
CONFIGURATION REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
DID YOU HAVE.
03:35:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:35:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN LAYMAN'S TERMS?
03:35:27PM >> SO BECAUSE THE -- BECAUSE THOSE THREE SEGMENTS ARE NOT
BEING PURSUED BY OUR CONTRACTOR, BY HAS KELL THE TIMELINE IS
PARALLEL BUT SEPARATE.
AND SIX MONTHS.
THE COMPLETION OF THE RELATED SEGMENT WHICH IS SEVEN TO BE
COMPLETED AFTER OUR BUILD PROJECT.
WE WILL CONNECT VIA KELLER AVENUE OR PARKER STREET OR -- AS
MORE OR LESS A M.O.T. SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS DONE WHEN THE
CONVENTION CENTER RENOVATION WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND WE
SIGNED FOR IT AROUND -- ON CHANNELSIDE AND DOWN FRANKLIN
STREET.
JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE THAT THOSE ARE SEPARATE
PURSUITS.
AND SIMILAR TO THE RIVER WALK ITSELF.
AS FAR AS THE PARCEL GOES THAT ARE PART OF THE BUILD
PROJECT.
PARCEL NUMBER 8 WHICH IS PLANT PARK, AS WELL AS 9 A, B,
AND C, THE EASEMENT ACROSS THE NEW TAMPA PROPERTY.
THOSE ARE CURRENTLY -- RIGHT NOW THE GROUND LEASE FOR PLANT
PARK COMES BEFORE YOU NEXT WEEK.
I KNOW THERE IS SOME DISCUSSION AMONG COUNCIL WHAT THE
HOURLY CONVICTIONS HAVE BEEN AND WILL BE MOVING FORWARD.
PREVIOUSLY -- THE PREVIOUSLY HAD A DUSK TO DAWN RESTRICTION
THERE AND THE CURRENT ARRANGEMENTS TO A MIDNIGHT TO 5 A.M.
RESTRICTION AND I BELIEVE THAT COUNCIL CLENDENIN ASKED NEW
TAMPA ABOUT THE PARTICULAR EVENTS THAT MIGHT ALLOW FOR
ACCESS DURING THOSE HOURS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU --
03:37:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DID HAVE A VERY INTENSE CONVERSATION --
IT WAS A VERY INTERESTING CONVERSATION.
SO, YEAH, THERE IS A -- IT WILL BE MIDNIGHT TO 5 A.M.
AND WE WOULD ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO UTILIZE THE ENTIRE
PORTION OF THE RIVER WALK LIKE SUPER BOWL COMES TO TOWN.
AND LATE ON A TIME ZONE.
SPECIAL EVENTS.
SO WE WOULD HAVE THAT CAVEAT IN THERE AS WELL.
I BELIEVE THAT LEGAL AND YOU TOUCHED.
THAT THEY ARE DISCUSSING IT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS
INCORPORATED INTO THE AGREEMENT.
03:38:15PM >> REBECCA FROM LEGAL IS DISCUSSING.
03:38:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
IT SEEMS TO BE REASONABLE -- A REASONABLE APPROACH TO THE
PROPERTY.
03:38:25PM >> THE GROUND LEASE THAT WILL COME BEFORE IS YOU PARCEL 8.
PARCELS -- I GUESS I SHOULD SAY 9-A AND B.
THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED FOR EXECUTION BY YOU ALL.
AND I BELIEVE THEY ARE WAITING FOR THE REMAINDER OF
DISCUSSIONS RELATED TO NEW TAMPA TO GET THAT SIGNED OVER
BACK OVER TO US ALSO MOVING NORTH, PARCEL -- EASEMENT 10-A
IS IN FRONT OF TAMPA PREP.
YOU WILL NOTE THAT IT IS HASHED OUT BECAUSE AT ONE POINT IT
WAS AN HOURLY RESTRICTION.
THAT IS NO LONGER IN PLACE.
WHAT WE HAVE RECENTLY INSTALLED A FENCE ALONG THE PROPERTY.
YOU WILL SEE AN AMENDMENT TO THAT EASEMENT COME BEFORE YOU
IN THE COMING DAYS.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS ON YOUR AGENDA YET, BUT NO PART OF
THAT WILL ADDRESS HOURLY RESTRICTIONS BECAUSE THOSE NO
LONGER IN PLACE.
03:39:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
UNLESS THE CITY WANTS TO.
03:39:23PM >> TRUE, FAIR ENOUGH.
03:39:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
03:39:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO, I AM SORRY.
03:39:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYTHING ELSE WITH YOUR PRESENTATION?
03:39:33PM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
ONE LAST NOTE, PROPERTIES ALONG THE BLAKE HIGH
SCHOOL AND MIDDLE SCHOOL FRONTAGE SHADED OUT BUT THOSE RESTRICTIONS
ARE NO LONGER IN PLACE ANYWAY.
I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
03:39:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I SHOULD KNOW THIS ANSWER BECAUSE WE HAVE
BEEN BRIEFED ON THIS SO MANY TIMES.
I GET ASKED ABOUT THIS RIVERWALK CONSTANTLY AND THE STAGING
AND THE FIRST ELEMENTS OF CONSTRUCTION WHAT IS COMING IN
FIRST, SECOND, THIRD, AND FOURTH AND KIND OF A TIMELINE.
VIK --
03:40:00PM >> OUR PROJECT MANAGER MAY BE SPEAKING TO THE ORDER OF
CONSTRUCTION THAT IS ANTICIPATED.
I KNOW WE ARE AT 60% DESIGN SUBMITTALS BUT I DON'T THINK IF
PHASING HAS BEEN COMPLETELY.
THE ON LAND -- NINA MABALO.
THE WEST RIVERWALK MANAGER FOR THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
THE ON LAND SEGMENTS WILL BE CONSTRUCTED FIRST.
PROBABLY THE PLATT STREET RIGHT-OF-WAY, ROME AVENUE,
COLUMBUS DRIVE, DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE PERMITTING FOR --
WITH THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS FOR THE RIVER WALK IT.
03:40:38PM >> AND SELF, THE TWO UNDERPASS PEDESTRIAN BRIDGES AS PLATT
AND BROREIN.
THAT PERMIT WILL TAKE LONGER.
THIS IS A DESIGN BUILD PROJECT.
WE ARE RESTRICTED BY THE LIFE OF THE FUNDING WHICH EXPIRES
IN 2027 SO THEY WILL BE DESIGNING AND BUILDING THE MULTIPLE
SECTIONS AT DIFFERENT TIMES.
I BROUGHT THE SCHEDULE WITH ME TODAY.
03:41:06PM >> WHAT WILL ANTICIPATE THROUGH '27 IS THE RIDGEWOOD,
COLUMBUS, ROME, AND IS PLATT PART OF THIS PROBABLY.
03:41:16PM >> IT IS.
03:41:16PM >> PART OF THE FUNDED PROJECT.
03:41:18PM >> PLATT STREET FROM ROME TO BAYSHORE.
IT IS VIRTUALLY FIVE MILES AND WILL BE COMPLETE IN EARLY
2027.
03:41:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
VERY AGGRESSIVE AND VERY NICE.
I LIKE TO HEAR THAT.
ONE OTHER QUESTION.
VIK, YOU AND I HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS PLACEMAKING AND ENSURE
THAT THERE IS SOME TYPE OF ABILITY TO HAVE CONCESSIONS OR
TRAIL -- LIKE THE STRAZ.
SOMETHING LOOK THAT SO PEOPLE WITH HAVE A PLACE.
AND PERIODICALLY ALONG THE WAY WHEN WE HAVE FOOD DESERTS.
REST ROOM FACILITIES.
ANY ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THAT?
03:41:59PM >>VIK BHIDE:
NOT PART OF THIS PROJECT, THERE ARE AREN'T.
WITH THE CONCESSIONS WE WILL ALSO DISCUSS REST ROOMS WITH
THE PARKS DEPARTMENT OR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
03:42:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY IN THE DESIGN -- IN THIS DESIGN
ELEMENT OF PLACE MAKING FOR CONCESSIONS AT ALL?
03:42:15PM >>VIK BHIDE:
THERE IS AN ELEMENT OF PLACEMAKING IN CERTAIN
PARTS ALONG THE RIVERWALK TO THE EXTENT YOU CAN CALL IT
PLACEMAKING.
THERE ARE OVERLOOKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
LIVING SHORELINES.
03:42:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM AS THEY ARE
DESIGN THIS.
SOMETHING RESERVED A PERIODICALLY.
THIS IS THE TIME TO DO IT.
NOT GET ANYTHING EASIER THAN RIGHT NOW.
WHEN YOU FIND THREE OR FOUR PLACE ALONG THIS ROUTE THAT
MAYBE YOU CAN BUMP OUT AND HAVE A PLACE SOME TIME IN THE
FUTURE THAT WE CAN PLUG SOMETHING IN WHEN WE NEEDED TO.
03:42:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:42:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I WAS TOLD THERE WOULD BE NO OUTLOOKS BECAUSE WE WOULD
AFFORD THEM.
OVERLOOKS.
03:43:04PM >>VIK BHIDE:
SO THE OVERLOOKS THAT WERE PRESENTED IN THE
SOME OF THE RENDERING WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD THOSE.
AS PART OF THE RIVER WALK ITSELF, THERE ARE SECTIONS THAT
ARE WIDER PART THERE ARE NOT AS WIDE BUT IN TERMS OF THE
PLACEMAKING PIECE OF IT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL HAVE
TO PARTNER WITH PARKS ON AND SPEAK TO THE CONCESSIONS AND
THERE ARE SEVERAL OPPORTUNITY.
03:43:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE DON'T HAVE A CONCESSION --
03:43:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM -- HE CALLED MY NAME.
03:43:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DID HE?
GO AHEAD.
03:43:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GUIDO CALLED MY NAME -- SORRY, CHAIRMAN
MANISCALCO CALLED MY NAME.
ADDITIONALLY, I AM HOPING -- I AM -- I AM GOING TO LAY IT
DOWN RIGHT NOW AND SAY I DON'T THINK THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE
-- I KNOW THAT WE HAVE WET ZONED THE OTHER SIDE OF THE
RIVER.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE ASIDE OF WET ZONE
MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE SCHOOLS AND THE PRIVATE ENTITIES.
NOT A LOT OF CONSUMER AREAS ALONG HERE.
SO I JUST WANT TO YOU CONSIDER -- KEEP THAT IN MIND BECAUSE
I WILL NOT SUPPORT ALCOHOLIC ZONING ON THE RIVER WALK ON
THIS SIDE.
AS FAR AS THE PLATT STREET AND THE ROME.
ARE THESE SEPARATED, DIVIDED BIKE LANES?
BECAUSE IF THEY ARE JUST --
03:44:34PM >> PEDESTRIAN UNDERPASS BRIDGES ARE 15 FEET WIDE BETWEEN THE
RAILINGS AND FOR PEDESTRIAN BICYCLISTS ONLY.
03:44:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TALKING ABOUT THE STREETS THEMSELVES.
PLATT AND ROME.
PROTECTED BIKE LANES, CORRECT?
03:44:48PM >> PLATT STREET, CORRECT.
WHEREBY POSSIBLE.
SMALL SEGMENTS WHERE THERE WON'T BE RAISED SEPARATORS.
03:44:55PM >>VIK BHIDE:
ON ROME, THAT IS, IS.
03:44:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ROME IS THE MOST CANING -- DANGEROUS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN MAKE THAT ARE NOT SAFE.
03:45:08PM >>VIK BHIDE:
NOT SHARE-Os.
BIKE LANES.
MEDIAN SEPARATED OR NOT OR SEPARATED SOME OTHER WAY, WE
DON'T KNOW.
PRIMARILY ON ROME.
PLATT STREET HAS THE ROOM AND ABILITY TO REDESIGN FOR A
SEPARATE --
03:45:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AM FINE WITH THAT. AGAIN, IF YOU ARE SAYING
THIS IS A FAMILY FRIENDLY RIVERWALK, THEN YOU NEED TO
ABSOLUTELY -- THE WAIVE I LIKE TO VISUALIZE IT AND THE WAY I
WOULD EXPECT TO YOU VISUALIZE IT, A THREE-YEAR-OLD WALKING
IN THE BIKE LANE EXAMINE A THREE-YEAR-OLD WALK IN THE BIKE
LANE.
WILL YOU LOOK AT THAT AND SCREAM AND RUN TO THE CHILD AND
SAY, OH, IT'S OKAY.
03:45:52PM >> THERE ARE OFF-ROAD WIDE SIDEWALKS FOR PEDESTRIANS.
ONE SMALL AREA ON PLATT STREET NEAR THE RAILROAD TRACKS
WHERE THE BIKES AND PEDESTRIANS WILL SHARE.
03:46:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SHARING IS FINE.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE IF NO PLACE WE ARE CONSIDERING THIS A
RIVER WALK THAT WE SIMPLY HAVE A LINE FOR A CYCLIST.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS AS FAMILY FRIENDLY -- AS THE
OTHER SIDE OF RIVER.
AND THIS IS -- I AM THRILLED THAT PLATT STREET WILL HAVE IT
SEPARATE.
I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE PERSONALLY SEE WHEN YOU ARE THE DESIGN
DONE FOR ROME I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THIS.
MY OTHER CURIOSITY HOW TO CROSS COLUMBUS.
I AM FASCINATED BY THIS.
THIS IS A REALLY TIGHT BRIDGE AND I HAVE NO IDEA HOW YOU
WILL DO THAT SAFELY FOR A CYCLIST FAMILY.
03:46:44PM >> SOUTH SIDE OF THE COLUMBUS BRIDGE, THERE WILL BE A SHARED
PIKE AND PED FACILITY AND EXISTING PEDESTRIAN PATH IS GOING
TO REMAIN THERE ALONG THE RAILING ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
THERE WILL BE LANE REDUCTION WITH ONE LANE EASTBOUND, ONE
LANE WESTBOUND OVER THE BRIDGE.
03:47:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
THAT WILL SOLVE THAT.
SIMILAR TO HOW IS DONE.
03:47:05PM >> YEAH.
03:47:06PM >>VIK BHIDE:
SEPARATELY AS PART OF A SEPARATE BUT CONCURRENT
EFFORT, WE WILL BE SIGNALIZING ROME AND COLUMBUS.
03:47:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT WILL BE A GREAT ADDITION.
SO THANK YOU.
THAT ANSWERS SEVERAL OF MY QUESTIONS.
BUT STILL WHEN YOU ARE DONE WITH THE ROME DESIGN.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT WHEN YOU SEND ME AN E-MAIL.
BECAUSE ROME IS SCARY.
I HAVE RODE IT AS A CYCLIST DURING COVID.
I WOULDN'T DO IT NOW.
BICYCLISTS WILL BE PROTECTED EVERYWHERE WHERE WE HAVE
ADEQUATE WIDTH.
WE ARE PROHIBITED ON THE FEDERAL PROJECT FROM OBTAINING
ADDITIONAL RIGHT-OF-WAY IF IT IS NOT INCLUDED.
03:47:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
03:47:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU WANT TO BE CLEAR.
I WASN'T TALKING OF WET ZONING.
A PLACE TO BUY A COKE OR A PIECE PIZZA.
03:47:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE
LOCATION.
03:47:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AGREE WITH THAT BUT CAN'T FIND A PLACES
TO DRINK OR HAVE A PIECE OF PIZZA.
DEALING WITH HUMAN BEINGS.
HUMAN BEINGS HAVE NEEDS.
03:48:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THE LAST ITEM OF THE DAY.
MR. MULKEY IS GOING TO TELL US, WHY TREES WERE CUT.
WHO ORDER IT.
WHY THEY ORDER IT.
AND HOW MUCH TREE CUTTING WAS DONE.
03:48:18PM >>TONY MULKEY:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
TONY MULKEY, PARKS AND RECREATION.
03:48:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I KNOW YOU GAVE A WRITTEN REPORT BUT
REQUESTED THAT YOU BE HERE IN PERSON.
03:48:35PM >>TONY MULKEY:
GLAD TO DO SO.
I WANT TO COME IN AND VERY RESPOND TO THE MOTION.
I AM NOT SURE WE NECESSARILY CAPTURED ALL THE ACTIVITIES
OBSERVED AND REPORTED.
THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE FROM THE URBAN FORESTRY DIVISION, THE
ACTIVITIES HAPPENING THROUGH THERE ARE ALL WORK ORDER
GENERATED AFTER AN FINANCIAL.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT DIRECTLY OF HANGING LIMBS, OF
TREES THAT ARE FAILING.
WE DO NOT CUT DOWN HEALTHY TREES.
AND SOME PEOPLE ARE DISAPPOINTED BY THAT, BUT WE DO NOT CUT
DOWN HEALTHY TREE OF.
PROVIDED INFORMATION WHAT WORK EVER WORK HAS BEEN
ACCOMPLISHED AND WHAT WORK HAS BEEN SCHEDULED THROUGH THE
WORK ORDERS BOTH WITH HURRICANE RESPONSE AS WELL AS OUR
TRADITIONAL SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDE.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS RELATED. . .
03:49:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
03:49:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WEST COMPANY JUST TWINE LINCOLN AND
SPRUCE, THERE IS AGREE THAT LIKELY NO ONE WAS THERE WHEN IT
FELL, BUT IT HAD TO BE -- AND THE BRANCHES WHEN THEY FELL,
THEY BROKE OFF.
AND YOU CAN SEE INSIDE.
STILL THERE, BY THE WAY, THE BRANCHES HAVE BEEN TAKEN OFF.
SIX FEET TALL.
THE ONLY THING HOLDING UP IS THE AIR BECAUSE THE WHOLE
INSIDE OF THE TREE WAS GONE.
IT WAS ROTTED OUT INSIDE.
NOBODY KNEW THAT.
BUT MAYBE THERE IS A WAY TO FIND OUT AND HAVE PEOPLE CHECK
THEM ON SPECIALTY PARKS AND RECREATION AREAS THAT TREES ARE
SOLID INSIDE.
BECAUSE IF NOT, I DON'T WANT TO FACE WHAT IS COMING.
03:50:09PM >>TONY MULKEY:
A FAIR REQUEST.
WE TRIED TO LOOK AT IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
03:50:13PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
CHECK IT OUT.
BECAUSE I BELIEVE FOUR OR FIVE OF THEM THERE.
THE ONLY ONE STAND SOMETHING THE BIG TRUNK OF THE BIG ONE
THAT FELL THAT WAS COMPLETELY ATE UP INSIDE.
03:50:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
03:50:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I THINK ANY OF THE TREES SLIGHTLY HOLLOW, MILTON TOOK CARE
OF THOSE.
BUT I COULD BE WRONG.
THAT WAS -- WE DID GET A LOT OF UP THAT WE WEREN'T AWARE OF
IN TERMS OF TREE COMES DOWN.
I ASKED MR. MULKEY THIS DURING MY PREP MEETING AND I WILL DO
IT AGAIN IN PUBLIC.
MAKING SURE THAT -- MAKING SURE THE NUMBERS IN THE REPORT OF
HOW MANY TREE CALLS YOU GET AND ADD ON WHAT HAPPENED DURING
MILTON.
AND SO I ASKED YOU, DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE IN YOUR
DEPARTMENT AND ENOUGH RESOURCES TO HANDLE THE TREE TRIMMING.
YOU GAVE A VERY DIPLOMATIC ANSWER, BUT I AM GOING TO LET YOU
TRY AGAIN.
03:51:07PM >>TONY MULKEY:
ALL RIGHT, SO I AM HAPPY TO REPORT THAT
DURING THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE WERE AWARDED ADDITIONAL FUNDING
FOR EQUIPMENT AND STAFFING FOR TREE TRIMMING.
THAT MOVES US TOWARD OUR GOAL OF BEING A LITTLE MORE
PROACTIVE IN OUR SERVICES.
WE SUPPLEMENT OUR INHOUSE SERVICES FOR THE SCALE OF THE
PROJECT, LIKE -- WE DON'T HAVE CRANES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
OUT OUR TREE CONTRACTORS HAVE EASIER ACCESS.
SO CONTRACTS WITH THREE DIFFERENT PROVIDERS DURING THE
STORM, THAT GOES UP.
WE SUPPLEMENT WHAT OUR CAPACITY IS, AND GROW OUR CAPACITY
THIS YEAR.
WE ARE WORKING ON IT AND APPROVED AND STILL TRYING TO
RECRUIT AND PROCURE THAT EQUIPMENT.
WE ARE WORKING TOWARD GROWING.
WE DO REALIZE WE ARE REACTIVE IN A LOT OF OUR RESPONSE NOW.
WE DO HAVE SOME VISION OF BEING MORE PROACTIVE AND BEING
ABLE TO SERVE THE URBAN TREE CANOPY A LITTLE MORE
EFFECTIVELY.
AND WE HAVE TAKEN A STEP.
03:52:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EXCELLENT.
OBVIOUSLY EVERYONE IS REACTIVE RIGHT NOW.
MILTON -- -- NO OTHER WAY TO BE.
NOW THAT WE ARE COMING OUT OF IT, WE WANT TO COME OUT OF IT.
ONE AREA IS TREES.
WITH THE ADDITION YOU HAVE GOTTEN HAD YOU FAR ARE YOU
PERCENTAGE WISE.
30% WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE EVENTUALLY?
50% WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE EVENTUALLY?
03:52:31PM >> PART OF THAT WILL BE DETERMINED AFTER WE RECRUIT THE
POSITIONS.
03:52:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SAY YOU HAVE THEM.
03:52:38PM >>TONY MULKEY:
ANTICIPATE 30% TO 40% CLOSER TO WHERE WE WANT
TO BE.
03:52:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AS THIS NEXT BUDGET COMING UP, WE NEED TO
CONSIDER MORE.
BASICALLY I WOULD LIKE TO FILE THAT AWAY.
I KNOW THAT THE COMMUNITY IS REALLY TALKING ABOUT TREES.
IF THEY WANT TO SHOW THAT ENERGY AND PASSION TOWARD TREES,
THAT SAN AREA WHERE THEY CAN ADVOCATE.
03:53:00PM >>TONY MULKEY:
WE HAVE AN INTERNAL STRATEGIC PLAN TO FOLLOW
AND TICK OFF SOME OF THE GOALS.
AND THIS BRINGS US CLOSER.
WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS.
03:53:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WONDERFUL, THANK YOU.
03:53:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. MULKEY.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR AGENDA.
WE WILL GO TO NEW BUSINESS.
PASS IT OFF TO THE VICE-CHAIR.
03:53:20PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PRO TEM.
03:53:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CHAIR PRO TEM.
03:53:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CHAIR PRO TEM RECOGNIZES CHAIRMAN
MANISCALCO.
03:53:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HE ACTIVATES.
I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT A COMMENDATION -- MAKE A MOTION TO
PRESENT A COMMENDATION OFF-SITE TO THE STATE ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE RECOGNIZING NATIONAL CRIME VICTIMS WEEK APRIL
6-12 OF THIS YEAR.
03:53:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED .EYES HAVE IT.
03:53:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT A COMMENDATION OFF-SITE TO THE CITY
OF TAMPA BLACK HISTORY COMMITTEE ON THEIR 37th ANNIVERSARY
ON FEBRUARY 17, 2025 AT THE TAMPA THEATRE.
03:54:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
03:54:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
03:54:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT'S IT.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
03:54:13PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I HAVE ONE, MOTION OF COMMENDATION FOR
RON ROTELLA, A DEVELOPMENT OFFICIAL OF SIX TAMPA MAYORS
BEFORE MAYOR GRECO HIRED HIM TO BE THE DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATOR IN 1995.
RON SERVED AS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR TO THE WEST SHORE ALLIANCE
FOR MANY YEARS.
WE REQUEST THAT SAID COMMENDATION AT CITY COUNCIL MARCH 27,
2025 UNDER CEREMONIES.
03:54:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SECOND.
03:54:39PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
HOW IS HE DOING, SIR?
YEAH?
HE IS A LEGENDARY GUY.
ANYTHING ELSE?
03:54:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HE REALLY IS.
THAT'S IT.
03:54:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM, YES, SIR.
YES, MA'AM?
03:55:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MADE A MOTION JANUARY 15.
AND THIS IS THE MOTION.
I MOVED TO HAVE LEGAL AMEND SECTION 15-104 CODE TO ADD THE
N. FRANKLIN STREET CORRIDOR TO THE EXISTING CODE, BOUNDARIES
OR EAST K STREET TO THE SOUTH.
NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE TO THE EAST.
EAST OAK TO THE NORTH AND NORTH TAMPA STREET TO THE WEST.
STAFF HAS REQUESTED MORE TIME.
SO I AM CHANGING THE DATE FOR FIRST -- FOR FIRST READING
FROM -- FROM FEBRUARY 6, 2025 TO FEBRUARY 20, 2025.
AND I HAVE -- I HAVE SPOKEN TO FOLKS AT TAMPA HEIGHTS THAT
THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
THEY KNOW THIS CHANGE IS COMING.
03:55:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE OR OPPOSED?
ANYTHING ELSE?
MR. SHELBY?
03:55:43PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
A REMINDER TO THE COUNCIL AND WILL PASS IT
ALONG TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT HERE AND THERE ARE FOUR
COUNCIL MEETINGS NEXT WEEK.
YOU HAVE ASPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP TUESDAY AT 9:00.
YOU HAVE A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT TO CONSIDER, FLORIDA STATUTE
70.51 AT 5:01 P.M., AND YOU HAVE YOUR REGULAR MEETINGS ON TH
28th ON THAT THURSDAY, A -- EXCUSE ME THAT WILL BE THE 30th,
EXCUSE ME.
SPECIAL CALLS ON THE 28th.
REGULAR WORKSHOP ON THE 30th AT 9 A.M.
THEN YOU HAVE THE NIGHT MEETING, THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE
NIGHT MEETING AND ALSO LEASE AGREEMENTS WITH THE UNIVERSITY
OF TAMPA AT 5:31.
JUST A REMINDER TO YOU AND TO THE PUBLIC.
THANK YOU.
03:56:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION SO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
WE ARE ADJOURNED.

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