TAMPA CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL CALL EVENING MEETING
TUESDAY, JANUARY 28, 2025, 5:01 P.M.

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05:09:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GOOD AFTERNOON.
WELCOME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
CAN WE HAVE ROLL CALL.
05:09:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
05:09:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
05:09:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
05:09:34AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PRESENT.
05:09:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
05:09:34PM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
05:09:34PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE SAID HEARING?
MISS WELLS, IF YOU WILL KICK IT OFF BEFORE I ASK FOLKS TO
RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND SWEAR US IN.
05:09:49PM >>CATE WELLS:
CATE WELLS, DEPUTY ATTORNEY.
I BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT WANTS TO RAISE ONE
PROCEDURAL QUESTION OF THE AMOUNT OF TIME ALLOTTED FOR THEIR
PRESENTATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT NOW OR LATER.
05:10:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SHOULD WE SWEAR EVERYBODY IN?
05:10:06PM >>CATE WELLS:
SURE.
05:10:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IF YOU ARE GOING TO SPEAK TONIGHT, RAISE
YOUR RIGHT HAND AND WE WILL SWEAR YOU IN.
IF YOU WERE GOING TO SPEAK, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR
RIGHT HAND.
[SWEARING IN]
05:10:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. CREMER, PLEASE COME UP AND STATE
YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
05:10:29PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
JAKE CREMER FOR STEARNS, WEAVER AND MILLER.
COUNCILMAN, I HAVE SPOKEN TO SEVERAL OF THE OTHER
REPRESENTED PARTIES ARE HERE AND SUBJECT TO YOUR DISCRETION,
WE THOUGHT WE COULD HELP BE EFFICIENT TONIGHT.
WHAT WE DID -- YOU MAY RECALL ABOUT A YEAR AGO IS THAT AS
THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, I SPOKE FIRST FOR 15
MINUTES.
THE NORMAL AMOUNT OF TIME.
THEN THE SYNAGOGUE AS THE PARTY TO THE FLUEDRA SPOKE FOR TEN
MINUTES.
THAT IS WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING AGAIN.
I SPOKEN TO COUNSEL, MR. RICHARD HARRISON, FOR THE GARDEN
CLUB.
THEY WILL USE THE SPEAKER WAIVER PROCESS, AND HE WOULD
REQUEST TO BE NEXT FOLLOWED BY JANE GRAHAM
REPRESENTING ALTURA.
FOLLOWING THE SPEAKER WAIVER PROCESS FOLLOWED BY THEIR
EXPERT WITNESS.
SUBJECT TO YOUR DISCRETION OBVIOUSLY, BUT THIS WILL HELP MAKE
THINGS GO EFFICIENTLY.
05:11:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU ARE ASKING FOR THAT BEFORE PUBLIC
COMMENT, THE INITIAL PRESENTATION?
05:11:37PM >> YES, THAT IS ALL RIGHT.
05:11:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MISS WELLS, THAT IS LEGALLY OKAY TO DO?
05:11:42PM >>CATE WELLS:
IN MY PRESENTATION, I WILL QUICKLY GO THROUGH
THE HEARING PROCESS WHAT COUNCIL CAN ANTICIPATE THIS EVENING
SO THIS IS JUST WORKING OUT THE TIME, THE ALLOTTED TIME FOR
SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT WANT TO TESTIFY.
05:11:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTION?
OR WE WILL CONTINUE.
ALL RIGHT WE WILL START IT OFF.
MR. SHELBY.
05:12:08PM >>CATE WELLS:
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND CITY COUNCIL.
I AM CATE WELLS, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY.
WITH ME IS DAVE HARVEY, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY AND OUR
LITIGATION PRACTICE GROUP.
THIS ITEM IS BEFORE CITY COUNCIL BASED ON A SPECIAL
MAGISTRATE PROCEEDING FROM A REQUEST OF RELIEF FOLLOWED
BY PRH 2713 BAYSHORE ACQUISITION LCC, ALSO KNOWN AS THE
RELATED GROUP AND CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM, INC.
REQUEST TOWARD THE FLORIDA STATUTE.
OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE FLORIDA LAND USE AND ENVIRONMENTAL
DISPUTE RESOLUTION ACT.
IT HAS BEEN A WHILE SINCE CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN PRESENTED
WITH A MEDIATED SETTLEMENT RESULTING IN THE 70-51 PROCESS.
SO I WANT TO TAKE A FEW BRIEF COMMENTS ABOUT THE PROCESS OF
TONIGHT'S HEARING BEFORE PROVIDING THE HISTORY OF THIS
ACTION AND THE DETAILS OF THE MEDIATED SETTLEMENT.
UNLIKE THE STANDARD REZONING APPLICATIONS YOU CONSIDER
DURING THE REGULAR EVENING MEETINGS, ANY TIME CITY COUNCIL
CONSIDERS A SETTLEMENT PROPOSAL, YOUR ROLE IS LEGISLATIVE
AND ALLOW CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER ITEMS OUTSIDE OF THE
CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE IMPACT AND PUBLIC INTEREST
RESULTING FROM THE PROPOSED SETTLEMENT.
THE PROCESS OF TONIGHT'S HEARING REQUIRES NOTICE AND
REQUIRES DUE PROCESS AS REQUIRED FOR ALL QUASI-JUDICIAL
APPLICATIONS CITY COUNCIL'S DECISION IS LEGISLATIVE.
THE QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCESS IS FOLLOWED SINCE THE SETTLEMENT
IS APPROVED, THE SETTLEMENT RESULTS IN THE REZONING OF
PROPERTY.
AFTER I CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION, YOU WILL HEAR FROM JUDGE
BATTLES, THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE IN THIS MATTER.
ONCE JUDGE BATTLES MAKES HIS PRESENTATION, YOU WILL HEAR
FROM CITY STAFF, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF, REPRESENTATIVES
FOR THE RELATED GROUP AND FOR THE SYNAGOGUE, AND THEN THE
PUBLIC.
I RECOMMEND THAT YOU CONCLUDE THE HEARING ONCE YOU HAVE
PROVIDED REBUTTAL AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT IS CONCLUDED.
AND FINALLY AS YOU CONSIDER THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE
ENTERED INTO TONIGHT'S HEARING, PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THE
SPECIAL MAGISTRATE'S REPORT IS A PUBLIC RECORD, ACTIONS OR
STATEMENT OF REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE CITY OF THE RELATED
GROUP OR THE SYNAGOGUE ARE EVIDENCE OF AN OFFER OF
COMPROMISE AND INADMISSIBLE IN THESE PROCEEDING.
I MENTION THIS IN THE EVENT THAT CITY COUNCIL IS CONCERNED
OF THE POSSIBILITY OF ESTABLISHING PRECEDENT IF THE REVISED
SITE PLAN IS APPROVED.
AT YOUR FEBRUARY 8, 2024 MEETING, CITY COUNCIL DENIED THE
REZONING, WHICH WOULD HAVE ALLOWED THE DEVELOPMENT OF A
26-STORY RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURE WITH A MAXIMUM
HEIGHT OF 317 FEET FOR 42 DWELLING UNITS TO BE LOCATED ON
THE SAME SITE AS THE EXISTING PLACE OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY.
CITY COUNCIL DENIED THE APPLICATION BY A 5-2 VOTE, AND THE
MOTION TO DENY FOCUSED ON TWO KEY AREAS.
FAILURE TO ESTABLISH COMPATIBILITY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN.
AND FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH SECTION 27-136 LAND DEVELOPMENT
CODE.
ON MARCH 13, 2024, THE RELATED GROUP AND THE SYNAGOGUE FILED
THE REQUEST FOR RELIEF PURSUANT TO SECTION 70-51 AND A
SPECIAL PETITION FOR WRIT OF CERTIORARI.
AND THE SYNAGOGUE FILED A BERT HARRIS OF FLORIDA STATUTES.
CLAIM ALLEGES THAT CITY COUNCIL'S DECISION INORDINATELY
BURDENED THE PROPERTY RESULTING IN A DENUMERATION.
MR. HARVEY IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE
REGARDING THE LITIGATION, WHICH, BY THE WAY, IS STAYED
PENDING THE OUTCOME OF THIS PROCEEDING.
WHEN THE REQUEST FOR RELIEF WAS ORIGINALLY FILED WITH CITY,
THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVED A MEMORANDUM DESCRIBING THE
ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEEDING UNDER SECTION 70-51.
INVOLVES A TWO-STEP PROCESS.
IT REQUIRES A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE FOR AN INFORMAL
MEDIATION OF WHICH THE CITY, THE RELATED GROUP AND THE
SYNAGOGUE CONSIDER ALTERNATIVE DEVELOPMENTS RESPONSIVE TO
CITY COUNCIL'S DECISION TO DENY THE APPLICATION.
IN THIS CASE, THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE CONDUCTED TWO MEDIATION
SESSIONS.
FIRST ON JUNE 25, 2024.
SECOND ON JULY 26, 2024.
DURING THE SECOND MEDIATED SESSION, THE RELATED GROUP
PRESENTED A REVISED SITE PLAN INTENDED TO ADDRESS THE BASIS
FOR COUNCIL'S DENIAL.
COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO
ELECTED TO PARTICIPATE AND FROM CITY REPRESENTATIVES.
AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE MEDIATION, THEY AGREED TO
PRESENT THE REVISED SITE PLAN TO CITY COUNCIL FOR ITS
CONSIDERATION.
TONIGHT'S HEARING IS PART OF THE FIRST STEP OF THE
ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS AND REQUIRES CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER
THE REVISED SITE PLAN AS A PROPOSED SETTLEMENT.
IF CITY COUNCIL REJECTS THE REMEDIATED SETTLEMENT, THE
SECOND STEP IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS IS TRIGGERED THAT
ALLOWS A HEARING BEFORE THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE TO DETERMINE
IF CITY COUNCIL'S ACTION IN FEBRUARY OF 2024 WAS
UNREASONABLE OR UNFAIRLY BURDENS THE PROPERTY.
THE PROJECT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS
DENIED LAST YEAR.
THE REDESIGNED PROJECT LOWERS THE HEIGHT OF THE MULTIFAMILY
STRUCTURE FROM 26 STORIES TO 16 STORIES AT A MAXIMUM HEIGHT
OF 195 FEET.
IT REDUCES THE NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS FROM 42 TO 38.
REDUCES THE DENSITY FROM 29.3 UNITS TO THE ACRE TO 26.6.
AND CONSISTENT WITH THE SITE PLAN PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL
IN FEBRUARY OF 2024, THERE IS NO REQUEST FOR A BONUS DENSITY
AGREEMENT.
THERE ARE NO PARKING WAIVERS.
AND THERE ARE NO NEW WAIVERS.
ALL GRAND TREES ARE BEING RETAINED.
THERE WILL BE AN EIGHT-FOOT SIDEWALK ALONG YSABELLA.
20-FOOT SETBACK ON THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY WITH AN ENHANCED
LANDSCAPE BUFFER ENHANCED GREEN SPACE, AND AMENITY DECK HAS
BEEN RELOCATED WITH A REQUEST FROM THE GARDEN CLUB.
IN A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING, CITY COUNCIL LOOKS IF THE
APPLICANT HAS DEMONSTRATED BY SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE
THAT THE PROJECT MEETS THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT
REGULATIONS AND CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, BECAUSE THIS IS A MEDIATED
SETTLEMENT, THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS THAT CITY COUNCIL MUST
TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, INCLUDING THE FACT THAT IF THE
SETTLEMENT PROPOSAL IS APPROVED, ALL PENDING ACTIONS AND
LITIGATION WILL BE DISMISSED WITH PREJUDICE WITH EACH PARTY
BEARING ITS OWN ATTORNEY FEES AND COSTS.
SO PURSUANT TO SECTION 70.51, SUBSECTIONS 21, CITY COUNCIL
HAS THREE OPTIONS THIS EVENING.
AND YOU HAVE A COPY OF THOSE OPTIONS ALONG WITH A COPY OF
THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE IN THE EVENT THAT CITY COUNCIL
EXPECTS THE SETTLEMENT.
OPTIONS INCLUDE ACCEPTING THE IMMEDIATE SETTLEMENT AND
IMPLEMENT THE SETTLEMENT.
IMPLEMENTATION BY PLACING THE ORDINANCE FOR REZONING ON
FIRST READING AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE WILL STILL HAVE TO
HAVE SECOND READING TWO TO THREE WEEKS LATER.
ON THE OTHER HAND, CITY COUNCIL MAY REJECT THE MEDIATED
SETTLEMENT AND THE THIRD OPTION, YOU MAY MODIFY THE MEDIATED
SETTLEMENT WITH THE SENTENCE OF THE MODIFICATION BY THE
RELATED GROUP AND THE SYNAGOGUE.
SO UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME OR MORE MR. HARVEY.
I WILL TURN IT OVER TO JUDGE BATTLES.
05:20:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. SHELBY.
05:20:03PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BRIEF HOUSEKEEPING.
WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC
INSPECTION.
A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
05:20:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN
HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
OPPOSED.
05:20:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PLEASE DISCLOSE IF ANY VERBAL EX-PARTE
COMMUNICATIONS RELATED TO THIS CASE.
05:20:27PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WAS CALLED BY A REPORTER TO COMMENT ON IT.
I SAID I CANNOT SUBSTANTIVELY COMMENT ON IT.
THAT'S IT.
05:20:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I SEE NO RESPONSE FROM ANYONE ELSE.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
05:20:39PM >>CATE WELLS:
THANK YOU.
05:20:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
JUDGE, PLEASE COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME.
05:20:45PM >> WELL, THANK YOU.
AND GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
AGAIN, I AM LAMAR BATTLES.
I WAS THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE IN THIS PROCEEDING.
FIRST, IT IS AN HONOR TO APPEAR BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.
AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT MISS WELLS TOUCHED BASICALLY ON
EVERYTHING THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT TELLING YOU, TO TELL YOU
THAT WE HAD A MEDIATION PURSUANT TO THE FLORIDA LAND USE AND
ENVIRONMENTAL DISPUTE ACT, SECTION 70.51 OF THE FLORIDA
STATUTES.
THE PETITIONERS DID IN FACT FILE A REQUEST FOR RELIEF UNDER
THAT ACT WHICH THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO.
AND THAT FOLLOWED THEIR DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION TO REZONE
THE REAL PROPERTY AT ISSUE.
THE ACT, AS SHE JUST EXPLAINED, ALLOWS THE PETITIONER IN THIS
CASE, WHEN THEY BELIEVE THE ACT IS UNREASONABLE OR UNFAIRLY
BURDENS THE USE OF THEIR REAL PROPERTY TO SEEK RELIEF UNDER
THE ACT.
YOU WITH NOT A REVIEW I WANT TO EMPHASIZE.
NOT A REVIEW WHETHER THE ACTION OF THE COUNCIL IS SUPPORTED
BY COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
THAT IS NOT WHAT IT IS ABOUT.
INDEED PURSUANT TO THE ACT, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE
NOTICED EVERYONE WHO WAS INTERESTED IN THE PROPERTY THAT IS
ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
OTHERS WHO AND BEFORE YOU BEFORE AND COMMENTED.
THEY NOTICED THE MEDIATION.
AND IN FACT, THE -- ON JUNE 14, THE PARTIES MET AND SPENT A
LONG DAY.
THEY WORKED VERY HARD EXPLORING OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMPROMISE
AND POSSIBLE SETTLEMENT.
MY ROLE, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE, WAS TO FACILITATE
COMMUNICATION AND NEGOTIATIONS, NOT TO IMPOSE A DECISION.
THE CONCLUSION OF THAT JUNE 14 SESSION, THEY HAD WORKED
HARD.
THEY HAD MADE PROGRESS.
BUT THE PARTIES WERE CLOSE TO MUTUALLY AGREEABLE CONDITIONS
FOR PROPOSED SETTLEMENT, BUT THEY HAVEN'T REACHED THAT.
THERE WAS MORE WORK TO BE DONE.
SO, IN FACT, WE GAVE THE PARTIES SOME TIME TO WORK ON THE
SITE PLAN AND SOME OF THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS AND WE
RECONVENED ON JULY 26, 2024 FOR ANOTHER DAY OF NEGOTIATIONS.
AGREEMENT WAS REACHED ON THAT DAY.
AND IT WAS PRESENTED TO THOSE INTERESTED INDIVIDUALS WHO
HAVE BEEN NOTICED AND IN ATTENDANCE AND THEY WERE GIVEN AN
OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE IMPACT OF THE RECOMMENDED
ADJUSTMENTS FOR AGREEMENT FROM THE NEGOTIATIONS ON THEIR
SUBSTANTIAL INTEREST.
THE MEDIATION THEN CONCLUDED WITH THE MUTUALLY AGREEABLE
CONDITIONS BETWEEN THE PARTIES.
SUBJECT TO PREPARATION AND REVIEW OF A REVISED SITE PLAN
INCORPORATING THOSE CONDITIONS.
THAT REVISED SITE PLAN CONFIRMED BY THE PARTIES AS ADEQUATE
ARE THE INCORPORATING THOSE CONDITIONS WERE RECEIVED IN MY
OFFICE ON SEPTEMBER 14, 2024.
I SUBMITTED THAT NEGOTIATED SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT FOR YOUR
CONSIDERATION, REFLECTING ONLY THE STATES OF THE MEDIATED
SESSIONS, IDENTIFYING THE PARTIES AND OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE
AT THOSE SESSIONS AND RECORDING THAT A PROPOSED SETTLEMENT
AGREEMENT AS TO THE PERMISSIBLE USE OF THE LAND HAS BEEN
REACHED AND ATTACHING THAT AGREED-UPON REVISED SITE PLAN.
I WANT TO EMPHASIZE AGAIN THAT I WAS THE MEDIATOR AT THIS
PHASE OF THE PROCESS.
ACCORDINGLY, IT WAS NOT -- AND IT IS NOT MY ROLE AT THIS
STAGE TO RECOMMEND FOR OR AGAINST THE PROPOSED SETTLEMENT.
I WAS ACTING AS A MEDIATOR.
THAT WAS THE ROLE AT THIS STAGE.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE PARTIES IN THIS CASE CAME WELL
PREPARED FOR A MEDIATION.
I THINK I CAN COMMENT ON THAT.
THEY WORKED VERY HARD.
THEY HAD EXPERTS AND INFORMATION AVAILABLE.
AND THEY -- AND HAVING WORKED HARD AND DILIGENTLY BROUGHT IN
AGREEMENT TO YOU AFTER THOSE PROCEEDINGS.
FINALLY I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE INVOLVED FOR ALLOWING ME TO
PARTICIPATE IN THESE VERY IMPORTANT EFFORTS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
05:24:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
YES, MA'AM, MISS DOCK.
05:24:44PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL.
SO WE CAN GET STARTED WITH THIS EVENING'S AGENDA.
THIS IS REZ 24-06.
THIS IS FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2713 BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM PD PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS TO ALLOW FOR A PLACE OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY AND
RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY USES.
CURRENT PD WAS APPROVED AND FOR A PLACE OF RELIGIOUS
ASSEMBLY.
05:25:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, MA'AM?
05:25:20PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
LaCHONE DOCK, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
AND TURN IT OVER TO DANNY TO GIVE HIS REPORT.
05:25:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HELLO, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
05:25:28PM >>DANNY COLLINS:
DANNY COLLINS WITH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION
STAFF.
I WAS SWORN IN.
THIS CASE IS IN THE SOUTH TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT
SPECIFICALLY IN THE BAYSHORE GARDENS NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT IS WITHIN EVACUATION ZONE A.
THIS IS THE SUBJECT SITE HERE AS OUTLINED IN THE PURPLE
COLOR AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF WEST BARCELONA AND BAYSHORE
BOULEVARD.
THIS IS SOUTH YSABELLA AVENUE HERE.
DIRECTLY TO THE NORTHWEST OF THE SITE IS AN APARTMENT
BUILDING.
THIS IS THE ALTURA BAYSHORE APARTMENTS HERE.
AND WE HAVE SOME TOWNHOMES ALONG WEST BARCELONA STREET AS
WELL AS YSABELLA AND FRED BALL PARK JUST TO THE NORTHEAST OF
THE SITE.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS RECOGNIZED UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL-35 LAND
USE DESIGNATION.
MEDIUM CATEGORY, 45 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
TO THE EAST, WEST AND SOUTHWEST OF THE SITE.
DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTHWEST OVER HERE IS LAND RECOGNIZED UNDER
THE COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35 DESIGNATION, WHICH ALLOWS
DEVELOPMENT UP TO 35 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE OR UP TO
2.5 FAR.
ALSO TO THE NORTHWEST OF THE SITE, HERE WE HAVE PARCELS
RECOGNIZED UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL-83, WHICH IS A HIGH DENSITY
RESIDENTIAL CATEGORY.
THAT CATEGORY IS ALSO FOUND ALONG BAYSHORE BOULEVARD AS YOU
MOVE NORTH TOWARD DOWNTOWN, AS WELL AS SOUTH TOWARD BALLAST
POINT.
THERE ARE ALSO PARCELS RECOGNIZED UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL 50
ABOUT ONE BLOCK SOUTH OF THE SKY.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSE AS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT CONSISTING OF
38 MULTIFAMILY DWELLING UNITS.
AND A 18,014-SQUARE-FOOT PLACE OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY.
BOTH USES CAN BE CONSIDERED UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL-35
DESIGNATION.
AFTER ACCOUNTING FOR THE LAND REQUIRED FOR THE EXISTING
PLACE OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A
26.657 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE ON THE SUBJECT SITE, WHICH IS
BELOW THE MAXIMUM LEVEL OF DENSITY THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED.
BELOW PROVISION AGREEMENT IS NOT NECESSARY.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE DENSITIES AND
BUILDING HEIGHTS OF THE SURROUNDING A AREA.
DIRECTLY NORTHWEST OF THE SITE IS ALTURA BAYSHORE 22-STORY
HIGH-RISE UNDER THE CMU-35 DESIGNATION.
TO THE WEST AND NORTHWEST ON SOUTH YSABELLA AVENUE IS THE
BAYSHORE PRESBYTERIAN APARTMENTS, 15-STORY MULTIFAMILY
DEVELOPMENT RECOGNIZED UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL-83 DESIGNATION.
IN ADDITION, SEVERAL 15- TO 18-STORY TOWERS LOCATED NEARBY
NEAR BAYSHORE.
WITH TALLER TRUCK YOU ARES ALONG THE NORTH OF BAYSHORE.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A 16-STORY BUILDING, 10-STORY
REDUCTION FROM THE PREVIOUS ZONING REQUEST.
PLANNING COMMISSION FINDS THAT THE PROPOSAL WILL NOT ALTER
THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREA AND SUPPORTS LAND USE
POLICY 2.1.1 WHICH ENCOURAGES COMPACT HIGHER DENSITY
DEVELOPMENT COMPATIBLE.
THE KEY REVISION MADE BY THE APPLICANT IS THE STEP DOWN
BETTER DESIGNED TO INTEGRATE THE NEIGHBORING TOWN HOMES
LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF THE SITE ALONG BARCELONA STREET.
AND MULTIFAMILY BUILDING IS SITUATED IN THE NORTHERN
PORTIONS SO THE HIGHEST PORTION IS AT THE NORTHERN PORTION
OF THE SITE ORIENTED TOWARD YSABELLA AVENUE AND STEPS DOWN
IN HEIGHT AS IT APPROACHES BARCELONA STREET.
THE APPLICANT IS COMMITTED TO ENHANCING THE LANDSCAPING OF
THE NORTH AND SOUTH FACING FACADES WHERE THE PARKING GARAGE
IS LOCATED.
THIS LANDSCAPE ALSO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SCREENING TO MAKE
SURE THAT THE GARAGE IS INTEGRATED AND ARCHITECTURALLY
COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA CONSISTENT WITH 1.2.27.
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ENCOURAGES HIGH DENSITY, MULTIFAMILY
DEVELOPMENT AND PEDESTRIAN-ORIENTED URBAN AREAS WITH ACCESS
TO TRANSIT SERVICE, EMPLOYMENT, AND AMENITIES.
THE PROPOSED PD ALLIANCE WITH THE POLICY DIRECTION AS THE
SITE IS ADJACENT TO TRANSIT SERVICES ALONG BAYSHORE BOULEVARD
AND 1.4 MILE OF WEST BAY TO BAY BOULEVARD AND SOUTH MacDILL
BOTH PROVIDE ACCESS TO SOCIAL SERVICES AND AMENITIES.
AND TO HOUSING THE CITY'S POPULATION BY PROVIDING ADDITIONAL
HOUSING OPTIONS IN THE BAYSHORE GARDENS -- SORRY -- YEAH,
THE BAYSHORE GARDENS NEIGHBORHOOD, THE PROPOSAL ALIGNS WITH
THE PLAN'S GOALS FOR ENSURING THAT ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF
HOUSING TO MEET THE CITY'S HOUSING DEMANDS.
BASED ON THOSE CONSIDERATIONS, PLANNING COMMISSION FINDS THE
REQUEST CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA'S COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
05:30:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY QUESTIONS?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MISS DOCK?
05:30:21PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
THANK YOU, AGAIN, COUNCIL.
LaCHONE DOCK, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THE PD REQUEST BEFORE YOU WILL ALLOW FOR DEVELOPMENT OF 38
RESIDENTIAL UNITS, AS WELL AS A -- A PLACE OF RELIGIOUS
ASSEMBLY.
THAT IS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE ON-SITE.
18,014 SQUARE FEET ON THE SITE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT PROPOSED OF 195 FEET OR 16 STORIES.
THERE ARE 170 SPACES REQUIRED AND 170 SPACES ARE PROVIDED.
BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE HAS BEEN REDUCED FROM 275,028 TO
196, 38 SQUARE FEET.
THE SITE ITSELF -- AN EXISTING PLACE OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY
THAT WILL REMAIN ON-SITE.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.
SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE EXISTING TEMPLE BUILDING THAT
WILL REMAIN.
THIS IS THE BUILDING THAT ACCOUNTS FOR THE EXISTING SQUARE
FOOTAGE.
AND THIS IS THE NEW BUILDING PROPOSED WHERE YOU HAVE THE
OUTLINE OF THE PARKING ALONG WITH THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE
ON-SITE.
SO WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT AS DEPICTED ON THE ATTACHED PLAN,
THE HEIGHT DOES STEP DOWN FROM THE NORTHWEST PORTION OF THE
SITE TO THE SOUTHWEST PORTION OF THE SITE TO A HEIGHT OF 77
FEET.
THERE ARE TWO POINTS OF VEHICULAR ACCESS ON THE SITE FOR THE
RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
THAT IS FROM BARCELONA AND FROM YSABELLA AVENUE.
AND THEN THERE IS AN ENTRY POINT THAT IS LOCATED HERE FOR
THE TEMPLE.
YOU CAN ENTER THE SITE ON BARCELONA.
AND THERE IS A DROP-OFF POINT THAT IS LOCATED HERE.
AND THEN YOU CAN PARK LOCATED HERE ON THIS SITE.
AND THE SITE HAS A FUTURE LAND USE OF R-35 AS DANNY HAS
MENTIONED THAT WOULD ALLOW TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF 30 DWELLING
UNITS FOR RIGHT FOR 35 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE WITH BONUS
PROVISION AGREEMENT.
THE PROPOSAL CONSIDERS THE MINIMUM LAND AREA NEEDED FOR THE
PLACE OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY, 30,020.
69,439 SQUARE FEET OF LAND ENTITLEMENT.
AND THE SITE CAN BE CONSIDERED FOR THE MAXIMUM OF THE 43
UNITS AND THEY ARE PROPOSING 38.
SO AN AGREEMENT IS NOT REQUIRED.
SO ON THE SITE, YOU CAN SEE THE INCREASED BUFFERING.
YOU CAN SEE THE SETBACKS LOCATED ALONG THE NORTH OF THE SITE
AND YOU HAVE THE SETBACK AND EXISTING STRUCTURE AND THE
OUTLINE OF THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY ON THE SITE ITSELF.
THEN THIS IS THE ZONING ATLAS FOR THE SITE.
THIS IS THE SUBJECT SITE OUTLINED IN RED, AND THIS IS BAYSHORE
BOULEVARD AND THE SUBJECT SITE WITH THE CURRENT PD ZONING.
YOU CAN SEE TO THE WEST OF THE SITE IS COMMERCIAL GENERAL
AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
PREDOMINANT USE IS RESIDENTIAL OR MULTIFAMILY SURROUNDING
THE SITE.
YOU HAVE THE VARIOUS ZONING DESIGNATIONS THAT EXIST.
TO THE SOUTH IS THE RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY ZONES.
WE HAVE TO THE SOUTHWEST PD, AND THEN NORTH OF THE SITE, YOU
HAVE THE RS-75 ZONING ALONG WITH THE PD LOCATED NORTHEAST OF
THE SITE.
AND THEN WEST OF THE EXPRESSWAY, YOU HAVE THE DIFFERENT
DEVELOP PATTERN THAT JUST CHANGES A LITTLE MORE TO THE
RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY AND THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE
ZONING OF THE RS-50 THAT IS LOCATED WEST OF THE EXPRESSWAY.
AND WE WILL HAVE ELEVATIONS OF SUBJECT SITE.
THIS IS THE NORTH ELEVATION.
THIS IS THE EAST ELEVATION.
AND THIS IS THE SOUTH ELEVATION. THIS IS THE WEST ELEVATION.
I HAVE PHOTOS OF THE SITE THAT WILL SHOW THE SITE ITSELF AND
ALSO SURROUNDING THE SITE SOME OF THE USES THAT ARE THERE.
THIS IS THE SUBJECT SITE IF YOU ARE ON BAYSHORE AND YOU ARE
LOOKING SOUTH.
THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
THIS IS ALONG THE EAST BOUNDARY OF THE SITE AND ON BAYSHORE
IF YOU ARE LOOKING TOWARD THE NORTH.
THE NORTHEAST.
THIS IS IF WE SWING BACK AROUND.
THE SITE ITSELF IS OFF TO THE RIGHT IN THIS PICTURE.
THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF BARCELONA AND BAYSHORE.
AND THIS IS THE STRUCTURE THAT IS THERE IN THAT CORNER.
THIS IS CENTRAL TO THE SITE.
THIS IS FROM BARCELONA.
IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT THE SITE. THIS IS ANOTHER PICTURE
INSIDE OF THE SITE.
THIS IS LOOKING WEST.
THIS IS ANOTHER INTERNAL VIEW OF THE SITE, EXISTING WHICH
WILL REMAIN.
THIS IS SOUTH OF THE SITE.
THIS IS AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.
THIS IS SOUTHWEST THE SITE.
THIS IS -- THIS IS WEST OF THE SITE ON BARCELONA.
THIS IS BAYSHORE PRESBYTERIAN LOCATED WEST OF THE SITE.
AND THIS IS THE VIEW LOOKING WEST ON YSABELLA.
THE SITE ITSELF IS OFF TO THE RIGHT AND WE SWING ALONG
AND THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE AND THIS IS, LIKE, THE BOUNDARY
OF THE LINE JUST SHOWING YOU THE GARDEN CLUB IS OFF TO THE
RIGHT.
AND THIS IS THE SITE WITHIN THAT PHOTO.
THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW SHOWING THAT PROPERTY LINE.
THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY ON THE SITE.
AND THEN THIS IS SWINGING AROUND NORTH TO THE GARDEN CLUB.
AND WITH THAT, STAFF REVIEWS THE REQUEST AND FINDS THE
REQUEST CONSISTENT.
IF IT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION,
THERE ARE SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS TO BE MADE BETWEEN FIRST
AND SECOND READING.
AND ALSO I HAVE WHAT IS A REVISED REVISION SHEET IF
ADDITIONAL CHANGES ARE NEEDED TO BE ADDED DURING THIS
HEARING.
I CAN NOTATE THOSE AND I WILL STATE THOSE ON THE RECORD
BEFORE THE HEARING CLOSES.
AND WITH THAT, I WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO ERIN TO REVIEW
NATURAL RESOURCES COMMENTS AND FINDINGS.
AND I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
05:37:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
05:37:44PM >>ERIN MAHER:
ERIN MAHER, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
SPEAK OF THE RESOURCES ON THE SITE.
ON THE SITE PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU, THERE IS NO NATURAL -- NO
THAT RESOURCES WAIVERS FOR THE SITE.
THESE GREEN CIRCLES ARE THE NONHAZARDOUS GRAND TREES THAT
ARE BEING PRESERVED ON THE SITE. THIS ARROW HERE, THIS GREEN
TRIANGLE IS THE 31-INCH SPECIMEN LIVE OAK THAT IS SHARED
BETWEEN THE PARCEL AND THE PARCEL TO THE NORTH.
THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING A 20-FOOT SETBACK.
AND THE CODE FOR THAT TREE REQUIRES A 15-FOOT PROTECTIVE
RADIUS, SO THEY ARE PROVIDING MORE THAN THE REQUIRED
PROTECTIVE RADIUS FOR THAT TREE.
AND I DO WANT TO POINT OUT RIGHT HERE THIS TREE IS TREE
NUMBER 38.
IT IS A 35-INCH DBH LIVE OAK WHICH HAD A PROTECTION PLAN
SUBMITTED INTO THE RECORD AS WELL.
THAT INCLUDED THE PRUNING PRESCRIPTION FOR THAT TREE.
WHAT WILL BE REQUIRED TO PRUNE TO BUILD THE BUILDING
PROPOSED.
AND IT ALSO INCLUDES A MONITORING SCHEDULE ONCE THE PRUNING
TAKES PLACE.
AND WITH THAT, I WILL JUST SPEAK HERE ABOUT THE GREEN SPACE
AND ENHANCED BUFFERING ON THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE.
SO THE SITE 16481 SQUARE FEET OF GREEN SPACE.
THEY ARE PROVIDING 35,995 OF GREEN SPACE AND THEY ARE MORE
THAN DOUBLING THE CODE REQUIRED GREEN SPACE.
THERE IS AN ENHANCE PLANTING ALONG THIS NORTHERN PROPERTY
LINE TO THE NORTH.
HERE ON THIS SIDE, THEY ARE PROPOSING A ROW OF SABLE PALMS
TO THE NORTH EDGE OF THE BUILDING.
THEY ARE ALSO PLANTING TEN-INCH CALIPER LIVE OAKS.
THE CODE REQUIRES A 2.5-INCH CALIPER TREE.
THE IT REACHES THE IT QUICKER IF IT SURVIVES ESTABLISHMENT,
PLANTING AND ALL OF THAT.
THIS 20-FOOT SETBACK -- TO THEY ARE PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, THE
LIVE OAKS ONE EVERY 20 FEET PER THE CODE REQUIREMENT OF
SPACING.
THEY ARE ALSO PROPOSING MORE ENHANCED BUFFERING OF TYPE 1
TREES TOO ALONG BUFFER TO ENHANCE THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER AS
WELL TO THE EXISTING BUILDING.
AND SO, YEAH, GIVEN THE PROPOSAL TO THE SITE, NATURAL
RESOURCES FIND THE PROJECT CONSISTENT.
AND I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
05:40:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
05:40:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO THE SETBACKS ON THE NORTH SIDE ARE
SIGNIFICANTLY GREATER THAN WHEN THAT FIRST CAME, IF I RECALL
CORRECTLY.
BECAUSE THERE WAS CONCERN OF THE ENCROACHMENT ON THAT ONE
LIVE OAK IN THE SHARED PROPERTY LINE.
MY QUESTION ABOUT THE SABLE PALMS.
IS THAT AN APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR SABLE PALMS?
AND ARE THEY GOING TO ENCROACH ON A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF
LIVE OAKS THEY ARE GOING TO PLANT?
05:40:57PM >>ERIN MAHER:
THEY CAN BE PLANTED AT THE SAME TIME
TOGETHER.
THEY WILL BE PLACED ALMOST 20 FEET APART ALONG THERE.
SABAL PALMS -- ALL PALMS HAVE TINY FINE ROOTS SO CAN BE
PLANTED IN SMALLER AREAS.
05:41:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SOMETHING YOU SUGGEST AS A NATURAL
RESOURCE OF THE INTEGRATION OF THESE TWO TYPE OF SPECIES?
SOMETHING YOU WOULD ENCOURAGE, THAT TYPE OF PLANTING?
05:41:20PM >>ERIN MAHER:
YEAH, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT PLANTING.
05:41:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
05:41:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY.
YES, MA'AM, ANYTHING ELSE?
ALL RIGHT.
DOES THAT CONCLUDE ALL THE THAT.
GO TO THE APPLICANT.
SIR, STATE YOUR NAME AND 15 MINUTES FOR YOUR INITIAL
PRESENTATION FOLLOWED BY -- YOU SAID --
05:41:46PM >> MR. SHIMBERG FOR THE CONGREGATION.
HE WILL BE THE NEXT SPEAKER.
05:41:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:41:52PM >> IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, ONE OTHER HOUSEKEEPING MATTER.
FOR THE RECORD, WE RECEIVED 109 LETTERS OF SUPPORT.
I AM NOT SURE IF THEY MADE IT TO YOU ALL.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO PLACE IT ON THE RECORD.
11 X 17 HARD COPIES OF REVISED SITE PLAN THAT I WILL
DESCRIBE THE CHANGE AFTER SOME COMMUNITY DISCUSSION.
05:42:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE HAND THEM TO THE ATTORNEY AND HE
WILL PASS THEM OUT.
05:42:15PM >> THANK YOU, AND I AM NOT SEEING MY PRESENTATION YET.
05:42:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT IS OUR SCREEN.
IT WILL COME UP IN A MINUTE.
05:42:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR?
05:42:48PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I SEE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX,
SEVEN COPIES.
DID YOU GIVE ONE TO THE CLERK.
05:42:53PM >> I DID NOT.
I GAVE TWO TO STAFF AND MAYBE GIVE ONE TO THE CLERK NEXT.
05:42:59PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WE WILL DO THAT.
THANK YOU.
05:43:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. MIRANDA, IF YOU CAN HAND THAT TO THE
CLERK.
THANK YOU.
05:43:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF PUBLIC COMMENT
AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH.
MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE TRYING TO KEEP THINGS ORGANIZED.
AFTER THE PRESENTATION IS DONE AND BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC
COMMENT THAT WE TAKE A BRIEF RECESS JUST TO GET EVERYTHING
ORGANIZED AND GET THE PEOPLE TALKING.
SO GO AHEAD, SIR.
YOU ALREADY STATED YOUR NAME.
05:44:02PM >> I THINK WE WILL NEED A BREAK BY THEN, MR. CHAIRMAN.
GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I AM NOT USED TO SEEING YOU THIS EARLY IN THE NIGHT.
THANK YOU FOR SETTING THIS HEARING JUST FOR US.
WE ARE EXCITED TO BE HERE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, COUNCIL.
BECAUSE WE HAVE GOOD NEWS.
AS YOU HEARD, WE SPENT THE LAST YEAR WORKING WITH A MEDIATOR
AND YOUR STAFF TO BRING BACK A REDESIGNED RESIDENTIAL
PROPOSAL.
WE ACCOMPLISHED THE TASK THAT WERE GIVEN TO US IN MEDIATION
WE ARE PROUD TO SAY AND CAME UP WITH A PLAN THAT ADDRESSES
THE CONCERN WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
FITS INTO THE CITY'S PLANS AND IMPROVES THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND
ENSURES CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM WILL BE A THRIVING PART
OF THE TAMPA COMMUNITY FOR YEARS TO COME.
WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE TIME TO MAKE THIS A
BETTER PROJECT.
ONCE AGAIN, WE HAVE A VERY EXPERIENCED TEAM.
WE LIVE, WORK OR PRAY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME HERE, AND SO DOES RELATED WHY I
WANT TO INTRODUCE TO YOU MR. NICK PEREZ, THE PRESIDENT OF
RELATED DIVISION.
05:45:06PM >> THANK YOU, I WILL BE BRIEF.
COUNCILMEMBERS.
GREAT TO SEE YOU A YEAR LATER AND A YEAR OLDER FOR MONEY.
05:45:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
STATE YOUR NAME.
05:45:14PM >> NICK PEREZ, THE PRESIDENT OF THE RELATED GROUP.
PRESIDENT OF ECONOMY OF RELATED GROUP.
SINCE MY FATHER STARTED THIS COMPANY IN 1979, I HAD THE
PRIVILEGE OF BUILDING AND CREATING COMMUNITIES ALL
THROUGHOUT NORTH AND SOUTH AMERICA.
WE ARE VERY PROUD OF THE WORK WE HAVE DONE HERE IN TAMPA, AS
WE CONSIDER TAMPA OUR SECOND HOME.
OVER THE YEARS, WE WORKED HARD TO EARN THE TRUST OF TAMPA'S
RESIDENTS AND LEADERS BY DEMONSTRATING OUR UNWAVERING
COMMITMENT TO THE CITY'S CULTURE, FUTURE.
WE PROVEN THIS THROUGH VARIOUS ACTIONS AM NUMBER ONE,
PRESERVING TAMPA HISTORY.
AT RITZ-CARLTON RESIDENCES PRESERVED HISTORIC FOUNTAIN FROM
LA CENTRO ESPANOL HOSPITAL RECOGNIZING TAMPA'S ROOTS AND
ENHANCING TAMPA PUBLIC SPACES.
VIBRANT ACCESSIBLE SPACES LIKE PIER PARK AND THE RIVERWALK
EXTENSION OF RIVERWALK BRINGING ART, GREEN SPACES AND
WATERFRONT TO THE CITY.
INVESTING IN TAMPA'S WORKFORCE.
HOW THAT OUR PROJECTS LIKE ROME YARDS, BUILDING MORE THAN
JUST HOUSING BUT BUILDING ECONOMIC GROWTH AND TRAINING
OPPORTUNITY FOR TAMPA'S WORK FORCE COMMITTING TO 40% OF THE
CONTRACT VALUE FOR ANY NORTH AND WOMEN-OWNED BUSINESSES AND
SMALL AND LOCAL BUSINESS ENTERPRISES.
CHAMPIONING OF ARTS AND CULTURE WITH CASH DONATIONS TO THE
TAMPA MUSEUM OF ART FOR FURTHER ART PURCHASES AND SKULL
COMMUTERS AND DONATIONS THE THOUGHTFUL DESIGN THAT
INTEGRATES ART INTO PUBLIC SPACES THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
THIS BRINGS US TO WHERE WE ARE TONIGHT.
RODEPH SHALOM SYNAGOGUE APPROACHED US AND WE THOUGHT THE
ABILITY TO PRESERVE ONE OF TAMPA'S HISTORIC LANDMARK AND
HELPING THE CITY.
BY WORKING TOGETHER WE WILL PROVIDE THE SYNAGOGUE WITH THE
VITAL AND ESSENTIAL RESOURCES IT NEEDS TO REMAIN IN THE
ESTEEMED LOCATION ON BAYSHORE AVENUE.
COUNCILMEMBERS, THIS IS NOT JUST BUILDING HOMES, IT IS ABOUT
PRESERVING TAMPA'S HERITAGE, ENRICHING ITS CULTURE AND
PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR ITS CITIZENS.
IT IS ABOUT CONTINUING MY FAMILY'S VISION OF NOT JUST
BUILDING BUILDINGS, BUT BETTER COMMUNITIES FOR EVERYONE.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE DEVELOPMENT CAN BRING CURBS.
WE ARE COMMITTED TO LISTENING AND ENGAGING THAT OUR PROJECT
ALLIANCE WITH COMPANY'S GOALS, CHARACTER AND NEED.
TONIGHT WE ASK FOR YOUR TRUST AND VISION FOR THIS PROJECT.
A THOUGHTFUL COMMUNITY-FOCUSED DEVELOPMENT THAT NOT ONLY
RESPECTS TAMPA'S HISTORY BUT ADDRESSES ITS GROWING NEED.
I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT IN APPROVING OUR ARE
REZONING REQUEST SO WE CAN WORK TOGETHER ON A PROBABLY THAT
TAMPA COMMUNITY WILL BE PROUD OF.
05:47:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
05:47:57PM >> JAKE CREMER AGAIN.
STAFF DID A GOOD JOB AND STAFF.
I DON'T WANT TO TREAD THAT GROUND.
THE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR
THREE YEARS.
YOUR FIRST INCLINATION, YOU HAVE BEEN HERE THREE TIMES, WHY
DO YOU KEEP COMING TO US.
TO BE HONEST, THE PROJECT HAS GOTTEN BETTER EVERY TIME MY
TIME AS A PLANNER AND LAND USE ATTORNEY.
I WISH THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN THE FIRST PROJECT WE BROUGHT TO
YOU.
NOT THE HAND WE WERE DEALT, BUT I TRULY BELIEVE THIS IS A
BETTER PROJECT BECAUSE OF THAT.
ANOTHER REASON THE PROBABLY HAS GOTTEN BETTER, WE CONTINUED
TO HAVE COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS.
WE HAD -- IF YOU COUNT THE PUBLIC HEARING TIME, WE PROBABLY
HAD MORE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT THAN ANY
-- CERTAINLY ANY THAT I EVER WORKED ON.
WE HAD THREE OPEN HOUSES, INCLUDING ONE JUST LAST MONTH.
AND SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT OF THAT IS THE CHANGE I AM GOING
TO DISCUSS WITH YOU IN JUST A FEW MOMENTS.
WE ALSO HAD MANY, MANY INDIVIDUAL CONVERSATIONS.
SO THAT BRINGS US TO WHERE WE ARE.
WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN TWO YEARS.
AND YOU MIGHT RECALL, WE STARTED WITH 60 UNITS AND 29 STORIES
IN DECEMBER OF '22.
WE ARE DOWN TO 38 UNITS AND 16 STORIES.
NOW COUNCIL, THE CHANGE IS SO SUBSTANTIAL THAT THE TOWER
THAT WE INITIALLY PROPOSED WHEN YOU COMPARE THAT TO THE REST
DENS BEFORE YOU TODAY, IT WAS ESSENTIALLY JUST THE TOP OF
THE TOWER.
THAT IS HOW MUCH SMALLER THIS PROJECT HAS GOTTEN OVER TIME.
SO HERE IS OUR NEW COMPROMISE PLAN.
AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE ALTURA, THE TWO RITZ TOWERS IN BACK
GROUND.
DOWN TO 195 FEET IN THE COMPROMISED PLAN, 39% REDUCTION IN
HEIGHT.
WE ARE DOWN TO 16 STORY ARE A 39% REDUCTION.
WE ARE DOWN TO 38 UNITS, WHICH IS ONLY A FEW UNITS FEWER,
BUT A 37% DECREASE FROM DAY ONE.
AND REDUCED THE BUILDING SQUARE FEET ALMOST 30% FROM THE
LAST TIME THIS CAME BEFORE YOU.
WE ALSO STRENGTHENED THE DISALLOWANCE OF THE SUB CHANGE.
THE BUILDING, THE FOOTPRINT, THE DETAILS, THE LANDSCAPE
PLAN, NONE OF THAT CAN BE CHANGED UNLESS WE COME BACK TO YOU
ALL AND ASK FOR YOUR PERMISSION.
WE ALSO INCLUDED BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE SYNAGOGUE IS THE
BUFFER TO THE NEXT-DOOR EVENT CENTER.
WE HAVE A DEED RESTRICTION IN PLACE THAT BEFORE -- BEFORE
THAT TOWER AND PEOPLE MOVE IN, BEFORE PEOPLE MOVE IN TO THE
RESIDENCES THAT NOT ONLY WILL THE SYNAGOGUE REMAIN IN ITS
CURRENT HEIGHT, ITS CURRENT FOOTPRINT, BUT THE ONLY THING
THAT BUILDING CAN BE USED FOR A DECADE IS FOR A RELIGIOUS
USE.
THAT IS A FURTHER PROTECTION.
SO HERE YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE BROUGHT TO YOU IN 2024, A YEAR
AGO VERSUS NOW.
WHAT WE BROUGHT TO YOU A YEAR AGO VERSUS NOW.
WHAT I REALLY LIKE ABOUT THIS NEW DESIGN, IT HIGHLIGHTS THE
MENORAH.
ONE OF THOSE ICONIC BAYSHORE FEATURES.
AGAIN YOU ALL HELD OUR FEET TO THE FIRE.
I LIKE THIS DESIGN A LOT BETTER.
HIGHLIGHTS THAT ICONIC FEATURE ON BAYSHORE.
COUNCIL, I THINK YOU ALL KNOW THIS.
NOBODY HAS A RIGHT TO VIEW IN FLORIDA.
UNLESS YOU BUY IT, YOU DON'T HAVE A VIEW.
THE OPPORTUNITY WITHER PRESENTED WITH, WITH THE
REORIENTATION.
WE MADE SURE THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ORIENTATION OF THE
PRESBYTERIAN TOWER AND THE ALTURA TOWER THAT WE ARE NOT
BLOCKING THOSE VIEWS.
AGAIN, WE ARE TRYING TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW OUR TOWER IS ORIENTED, WE ARE LOOKING
AT A DIRT PARKING LOT AND THE WATER.
WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT THE GARDEN CENTER.
NOT LOOKING AT THAT EVENT CENTER.
SO THEN WE FOCUSED ON WHAT IS THE STREETSCAPE.
THAT IS SOMETHING WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE LAST TIME.
WE MAINTAINED TOWER COMMITMENT OF BARCELONA AND YSABELLA.
WE ADDED A CONDITION NOTING A GRADUAL FENCE TRANSITION
HEIGHT ALONG BAYSHORE JUST TO PRESERVE THAT CORRIDOR'S VIEW.
WE HAVE ADDED A CONDITION AS STAFF MENTIONED REQUIRING A
SIX-FOOT SIDEWALK AND AN EIGHT-FOOT SIDEWALK AND ENHANCED
OUR CROSSING WITH A FLASH BEACON AS WELL AS EXTENDING
SIDEWALKS OFFSITE.
WHICH BRINGS ME TO THE COMMUNITY REQUEST.
WE THOUGHT THIS WAS A GREAT SUGGESTION THAT CAME UP IN OUR
COMMUNITY MEETING.
THIS IS THE ONLY CHANGE IN THE SITE PLAN I PASSED OUT.
I SPOKEN WITH STAFF, AND THEY FEEL LIKE WE CAN MAKE IT
BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING IF IT IS COUNCIL'S
PLEASURE.
MID-BLOCK CROSSING.
THE COMMUNITY CONCERN MID-BLOCK CROSSING AND SIDEWALK ACROSS
THE STREET.
AND YOU ARE CLOSING THE SIDEWALK ON THE EAST SIDE OF
YSABELLA.
WE MADE IT WHAT CAN WE DO?
MOVE THE MID-BLOCK TO IT THE NORTH, WHICH IS CLOSER TO THE
EXISTING BUS STOP AND FILL AN ADDITIONAL SIDEWALK GAP,
AGAIN, FROM THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.
EVEN WHEN WE CLOSE OUR SIDEWALK, OUR CONDITION SAYS, WE HAVE
TO DO THAT.
WE HAVE TO DO THAT TO ENSURE SAFE PASSAGE BEFORE WE ARE ABLE
TO CLOSE THE SIDEWALK ON OUR SIDE OF THE STREET.
STAFF DID A GREAT JOB BUT I WILL SHOW YOU THE COLOR PICTURES
WHAT WE ARE IMAGINING FOR MORE GREENERY.
WE HAVE MAINTAINED ALL OF THE GRAND TREES THAT WAS A
COMMITMENT LAST TIME.
WE ARE MANAGING THAT AGAIN.
WE ARE MAINTAINING THE 20-FOOT SETBACK, WHICH IS THE SAME
SETBACK HAS THE SCHOOL THAT IS GOING TO BE DEMOLISHED.
THAT IS BEING MAINTAINED STILL.
AGAIN, WE ARE ADDING ALL OF THIS GREENERY THAT ULTIMATELY
WILL GET UP TO 40 TO 60 FEET TALL.
OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS
FOR HER WHAT THIS WILL LOOK LIKE.
THE DESIGN AGAIN -- WE STARTED AT SQUARE ONE FOR THIS ENTIRE
DESIGN.
WE THREW OUT THE OLD PLANS AND STARTED FRESH WITH OUR
ARCHITECT AND ENGINEERS.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS REORIENTED THE COMMON SPACE, THAT POOL
SPACE.
YOU MAY RECALL IT WRAPPED AROUND.
THAT IS GONE.
IT IS NOW ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
AND THAT IS LIMITED TO 77 FEET, BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO BE
MORE SENSITIVE TO THE SINGLE-FAMILY THAT ARE DOWN ON THAT OF
THE PROPERTY AND BANNING ANY SPORTS COURT.
THAT IS GONE.
NOT AN ACTIVE SPACE OTHER THAN THE POOL.
SYNAGOGUE IS ACTING AS A BUFFER WITH THE DEED RESTRICTION.
AND THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
BECAUSE THIS WAS A BIG CONCERN LAST TIME THAT WE HEARD.
THE BALCONIES ARE GONE FROM THE NORTH FACE OF THE BUILDING.
THOSE ARE GONE.
YOU CAN SEE THE OLD PLAN VERSUS THE NEW.
THE BALCONIES ARE GONE AND THE UNITS ARE ORIENTED TO THE
WATER.
WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS AN EMERGING HIGH-RISE DISTRICT.
I KNOW PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO HEAR THAT, BUT THIS IS.
WHEN LIEU CAN AT THE TOWERS -- LOOK AT THE TOWER ARE
BAYSHORE PRESBYTERIAN.
BUILT IN THE SAME YEAR THAT THE GARDEN CLUB AND SYNAGOGUE
BUILT THEIR PROPERTIES AT THE SAME TIME.
EVERYONE KNEW FROM DAY ONE IN 1969 THIS WILL BE A HIGH-RISE
DISTRICT, COUNCIL.
SINCE 2020, WE HAD THE SANCTUARY, THE RITZ 1 ,RITZ
2, ACQUATICA.
ALL MADE IT A HIGH-RISE DISTRICT.
CHANGE IN CHARACTER.
HI MAY BE FROM A COW TOWN IN NORTH FLORIDA, BUT THIS LOOKS
LIKE BRICKELL AVENUE.
THIS LOOKS LIKE BRICKELL AVENUE.
LOOK AT THESE TOWERS, COUNCIL.
THESE HAVE BEEN BUILT IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
WE ARE WEDGED BETWEEN AN INTENSE EVENT VENUE PARKING -- DIRT
PARKING AND THE 24-STORY ALTURA TOWER 1 2 FEET AWAY.
THAT IS THE SITE WE ARE WORKING WITH.
COUNCIL, A WALKABLE DISTRICT NOW.
ONE OF PLACES OUTSIDE OF DOWNTOWN THAT YOU CAN TRULY SAY
THAT.
SO LET'S LOOK AT BAYSHORE GARDENS.
BAYSHORE GARDENS IS NOW A MIXED NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU HAVE A RESIDENTIAL, A LOW-RISE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, BUT
IF YOU ARE ON BARBIE AND GO SOUTH, IT VERY, VERY QUICKLY
BECOMES A HIGH-RISE DISTRICT.
A MIXED NEIGHBORHOOD AND GIVES IT ITS VITALITY.
NOT A DOWNSIDE BUT A BENEFIT.
WHY PEOPLE WANT TO MOVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
COUNCIL, IF YOU DON'T LOOK AT ANYTHING ELSE THAT I PRESENT
TO YOU TONIGHT, WE WENT AND CHARTED -- WE PLOTTED THE
HEIGHTS OF EVERY TOWER IN THE BAYSHORE GARDENS NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE AVERAGE IS ABOUT 20 STORIES.
WE ARE PROPOSING TO YOU -- AGAIN, WE ARE PROPOSING TO YOU
SOMETHING MUCH SHORTER THAN THAT.
YOU LOOK AT THE RED STARS, THOSE ARE THE TOWER THAT ARE
ADJACENT TO SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
VIRTUALLY ALL OF THEM.
THIS IS NOT UNUSUAL.
THIS HAPPENS ALL OVER TAMPA.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS.
THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS A MIX.
AND IT HAS BEEN SINCE 1969.
SO, AGAIN, WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL HEARINGS.
SO LET'S TAKE IT BACK TO WHERE WE HAVE BEEN.
IN 2023, YOU ALL BROUGHT SEVERAL CONCERNS TO THE TABLE.
TOO MANY WAIVERS.
GRAND TREES.
DIDN'T NEED TO BE REMOVED.
YOU SAID TOO MUCH DENSITY.
YOU DIDN'T LIKE THE BONUS AGREEMENT.
YOU DIDN'T LIKE THE SETBACKS.
ALL THOSE WERE FIXED.
WE BROUGHT THAT -- CAME BACK TO YOU IN 2024.
WE RAISED SOME ADDITIONAL CONCERNS.
HEIGHT, MASSING, PRIVACY, COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY AND
NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENTS.
AS I JUST WALKED THROUGH WITH YOU, WE HAVE ADDRESSED ALL OF
THOSE AS WELL.
SO WITH THAT, COUNCIL, WITH THE REMAINING TIME, I WOULD LIKE
TO HOLD THAT FOR REBUTTAL AND OUR TEAM IS HERE IF YOU HAVE
ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU.
05:57:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. SHIMBERG, YOU ARE NEXT, SIR.
WHO IS AFTER MR. SHIMBERG?
05:57:51PM >> A COUPLE OF OTHER RANDOM SPEAKERS AS PART OF OUR TEN
MINUTES.
05:57:54PM >> I WILL CLARIFY.
AFTER THE CONGREGATION SPEAKERS, THEN WE WILL HAVE MR.
RICHARD HARRISON.
05:58:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HE --
05:58:04PM >> I REPRESENTS THE GARDEN CLUB.
05:58:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
STATE YOUR NAME.
05:58:08PM >> MY NAME IS JIM SHIMBERG, REPRESENTING CONGREGATION
RODEPH SHALOM.
AS YOU HEARD FROM STAFF AND JAKE AND THE MEDIATOR, THIS
PROJECT HAS CHANGED FROM THE RESPONSE FROM THE PUBLIC
HEARING TWO YEARS AGO AND BASE ON TWO VERY PRODUCTIVE
MEDIATION IN FRONT OF JUDGE BATTLES.
THIS A DIFFERENT PROJECT THAN WHAT YOU VOTED DO UP IN 2024.
MANY OF THE ISSUES RAISED BY THE PUBLIC THAT NIGHT HAVE BEEN
ADDRESSED.
WE MET WITH THE INTERESTED PARTIES AND TAKEN THEIR CONCERNS
SERIOUSLY.
AND THE FACTOR TO HAVE RODEPH TO SELL PART OF THEIR PROPERTY
IN THE FIRST PLACE AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN DESPITE WHAT HAPPENS
TONIGHT.
YOU WILL HEAR FROM THEM.
YOU WILL LISTEN TO EVERYTHING AND MAKE THE BEST DECISION FOR
THE CITY.
FOLLOWING ME ARE KEY LEADERS FROM THE SYNAGOGUE THAT WILL
SPEAK TO YOU STARTING WITH THEIR THE, LLOYD STERN AND MR.
TODD AND JONATHAN TANNEN.
05:59:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HELLO, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
05:59:21PM >> LLOYD STERN.
GOOD EVENING MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS LLOYD STERN, I AM THE PRESIDENT OF
CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM, A SYNAGOGUE THAT IS A
CORNERSTONE OF TAMPA'S JEWISH COMMUNITY FOR 120 YEARS.
SENSE 1969, WE PROUDLY CALLED BAYSHORE HOME.
AND TODAY I'M HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR OUR CONGREGATION'S FUTURE
AND RESPONSIBLE GROWTH IN TAMPA OVER TWO DAYS, WE ENGAGED
MEDIATION WITH THE CITY TO REFINE THIS PROJECT.
EVERY STATE DEPARTMENT, WITHOUT EXCEPTION, REVIEWED AND
RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE REVISED SITE PLAN.
YET DESPITE OUR WILLINGNESS TO COMPROMISE AND ADAPT, WE
STILL FACE CONTINUED OPPOSITION FROM THOSE WHO HAVE REFUSED
TO EVEN ENGAGE IN MEANINGFUL DIALOGUE.
LET'S BE CLEAR.
THIS IS THE THIRD TIME WE HAVE COME BEFORE YOU.
IT IS TIME TO MOVE FORWARD.
TAMPA IS NOT THE CITY IT WAS DECADES AGO.
I REMEMBER BEING MUCH YOUNGER.
GOING TO DOWNTOWN AFTER DARK AND IT BE EMPTY.
WHEN BAYSHORE WAS QUIET BUT STAGNANT.
AND WHEN YOUNG PEOPLE LEFT TAMPA AFTER SCHOOL FOR GOOD,
NEVER TO RETURN.
TODAY WE SEE A VIBRANT GROWING CITY, AND THAT PROGRESS CAN'T
HAPPEN BY RESISTING CHANGE, BUT BY ENCOURAGING CHANGE.
THE GARDEN CLUB AND OTHER OPPONENTS ARGUE THAT THIS PROJECT
WILL SOMEHOW HARM BAYSHORE.
BUT BAYSHORE HAS ALREADY EVOLVED.
THE TOWER A 24-STORY LUXURY HIGH-RISE AND THE YOUR COMING
RELATED GROUP DEVELOPMENT HAVE ALL CHANGED THE SKYLINE IN
THIS AREA OF BAYSHORE.
THIS PROJECT IS NOW FAR MORE THOUGHTFUL, INTEGRATING GREEN
SPACE, ADJUSTING HEAT AND -- ADJUSTING HEIGHT AND
PRIORITIZING COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS.
RODEPH SHALOM FOR EDUCATION, OUTREACH FOR GENERATIONS.
THIS IS BIGGER THAN ONE BUILDING.
THIS IS ABOUT TAMPA'S FUTURE.
WILL WE BE A CITY THAT EMBRACES RESPONSIBLE, SUSTAINABLE
GROWTH?
OR ONE THAT CAVES TO A SMALL, VOCAL OPPOSITION AT THE
EXPENSE OF PROGRESS.
THIS PROJECT IS A WIN FOR THE CITY.
PROVIDES SMART DEVELOPMENT, STRENGTHENS A HISTORIC
INSTITUTION, AND DOESN'T COST THE TAXPAYERS A DIME.
I URGE TO YOU DO THE RIGHT THING, NOT THE EASIEST THING.
APPROVE THIS PROJECT AND HELP ENSURE THAT TAMPA REMAIN AS
SEA OF OPPORTUNITY, NOT OBSTRUCTION.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
06:02:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER IS BRIAN TAUB.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
06:02:13PM >> MY NAME IS BRIAN TAUB.
I'M A RESIDENT OF TAMPA FOR OVER 34 YEARS.
AND I THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME THIS EVENING.
I AM IN THE UNIQUE POSITION OF NOT ONLY BEING A MEMBER OF
CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM FOR OVER 30 YEARS, BUT BEING A
REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER IN TAMPA FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE LAST DEVELOPMENT I DID WAS CALLED
"THE SANCTUARY."
LOCATED ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD, APPROXIMATELY 50 FEET NORTH
OF RUBIDEAUX AND 00 -- 200 FEET NORTH OF THE SUBJECT
PROPERTY.
LOCATED ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD, ITS NEIGHBORS TO IT THE WEST
ARE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND TOWN HOMES ON PALM AND YSABELLA.
I WAS FORTUNATE WILL YOU HAVE TO BE GRANTED UNANIMOUS
APPROVAL BY CITY COUNCIL IN 2018 FOR THIS 15-RESIDENT --
YEAH, 18-STORY, 200-FOOT HIGH-RISE DEVELOPMENT.
SHORTLY THEREAFTER, YOU ALL, CITY COUNCIL, APPROVED ALTURA
AT 274 FEET.
THEY ALSO RECEIVED UNANIMOUS APPROVAL FROM CITY COUNCIL.
BOTH OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE WITHIN THE BAYSHORE GARDEN
COMMUNITY.
AND BOTH OF THESE HAVE -- THE RESIDENTS AND THE NEIGHBORS
THAT ARE IN THIS COMMUNITY ARE HERE TONIGHT ARE HERE TONIGHT
CONCERNED ABOUT THIS DEAL.
SHORTLY AFTER THE ALTURA DEVELOPMENT WAS APPROVED
UNANIMOUSLY.
THE RITZ RESIDENCES APPROVED FOR TWO TOWERS, ONE JUST UNDER
300 FEET AND ONE OVER 300 FEET.
AND IT WAS APPROVED ALMOST UNANIMOUSLY BUT FOR ONE VOTE THAT
WAS A DISSENTING VOTE.
I THINK YOU SEE A PRECEDENT THAT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED BY THE
CITY THAT BETWEEN STOVALL AND CAROLINA, A NUMBER OF
HIGH-RISE CONDOMINIUMS.
CLEARLY THAT IS NOT THE CASE IF YOU GO TO DESOTO TO SWANN
WHERE THERE ARE NO CONDOMINIUMS.
IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, THERE ARE A MIXTURE OF CONDOMINIUMS
AND SINGLE-FAMILY TOWN HOMES.
I WOULD ASK YOU PLEASE TO CONSIDER YOUR APPROVAL OF THIS
PROJECT TO BE CONSISTENT AS CITY STAFF HAS SAID TONIGHT WITH
THE WAY THEY LOOKED AND APPROVED THIS PROJECT.
AND I THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
06:05:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, SIR.
MR. SHIMBERG, ANYBODY ELSE?
YES, SIR?
COME ON UP.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
06:05:15PM >> GOOD EVENING.
I AM JONATHAN TANNEN.
I AM A MEMBER OF CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM, AND A MEMBER OF
THE BOARD AND I VOLUNTEER THERE AS A SUNDAY SCHOOL TEACHER.
I JUST WANT TO TALK TO YOU OF THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS
SYNAGOGUE TO OUR COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE A WONDERFUL CONGREGATION.
OUR MEMBERS CELEBRATE HOLIDAYS AND LIFE EVENTS THERE.
WE -- LLOYD, WHO JUST SPOKE, HIS SON JUST HAD HIS BAR
MITZVAH.
PLACE WAS PACKED A FEW WEEKENDS AGO.
WE DO COMMUNITY EVENTS.
WE CELEBRATE HOLIDAYS.
WE REVAMPED OUR SUNDAY SCHOOL AND I TEACH AS A SUNDAY SCHOOL
TEACHER.
KIDS FROM THREE YEARS OLD TO HIGH SCHOOL.
AND WE WANT TO SUPPORT THAT BUILDING AND WE WANT TO SUPPORT
THAT INSTITUTION AND KEEP IT GOING FROM GENERATIONS TO COME.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, WE ALSO HAVE A 55-YEAR-OLD BUILDING THAT
REQUIRES A LOT OF UPKEEP.
WE ARE CLOSE TO THE WATER LINE THAT IS PROPOSED TO POTENTIAL
STORM DAMAGE.
IT WAS BUILT BEFORE MODERN HURRICANE CITY CODES WERE IN
PLACE, AND WE WANT TO UPGRADE IT AND STRENGTHEN IT AND
ENSURE THAT IT IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE THERE.
AND WE -- THIS PROPOSAL SOLVES THAT PROBLEM.
IT WILL GIVE US AN ENDOWMENT TO MAINTAIN AND STRENGTHEN THE
BUILDING.
ALLOW US FOR THE PROGRAMMING AND TO BETTER SERVE OUR
CONGREGANTS AND BETTER SERVE THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.
SPEAKING ON BEHALF -- ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD, WE DIDN'T DO
THIS IN A VACUUM.
THIS AREA ALREADY HAS SEVERAL HIGH RISE IN IT.
I TOOK THESE PHOTOS JUST THIS EVENING.
SOME OF THEM ARE SIMILAR TO PHOTOS YOU HAVE ALREADY SEEN.
THIS WAS TAKEN STANDING IN RODEPH'S PARKING LOT LOOKING AT
THE ALTURA THAT IS SUBSTANTIALLY LARGER THAN THE PROPOSAL
THAT IS BEFORE YOU.
06:07:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LET'S SEE THE FIRST ONE.
06:07:17PM >> ARE YOU READY TO SEE IT?
06:07:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THEY ARE CONVERTING IT OVER.
JUST GIVE IT A MOMENT.
THAT IS THE FIRST PHOTO.
SECOND PHOTO?
06:07:29PM >> SECOND PHOTO TAKEN AT THE STREET LEVEL LOOKING AT THE
OTHER TOWERS CURRENTLY IN THE AREA.
I WALKED A LITTLE BIT UP THE STREET AND YOU CAN SEE THE
BAYSHORE PRESBYTERIAN TOWER STANDING ON YSABELLA LOOKING
NORTH AWAY FROM THE GARDEN CLUB'S PROPERTY.
AND THEN THIS PHOTO I TOOK FACING SOUTH FACING THE GARDEN
CLUB LOOKING AT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
WE BELIEVE IT IS APPROPRIATE AND WILL NOT CHANGE THE
CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS A COMPROMISE.
PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING HAS SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGED
FROM THE ONE THAT WAS BEFORE YOU THE LAST TIME YOU VOTED ON
THIS.
IT IS A MUCH SHORTER BUILDING.
SIGNIFICANTLY SHORTER THAN SOME OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS IN
THE AREA.
I BELIEVE IT IS ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AS THE BAYSHORE
PRESBYTERIAN TOWER THAT CURRENTLY LOOKS OVER THE GARDEN
CLUB.
AND IT IS WE ARE MAKING EVERY EFFORT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS
AND ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
NOW AT THE END OF THE DAY, NOT EVERYONE WILL GET EVERYTHING
THEY WANT.
THIS IS A COMPROMISE.
AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD -- THIS IS A GOOD COMPROMISE FOR
THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ENSURE THE FUTURE OF THE SYNAGOGUE.
ONE OF THE SPEAKERS EARLIER SAID THERE WILL BE A RESTRICTIVE
COVENANT --
06:08:55PM >> I AM OUT OF TOWN.
WE HOPE THAT THE SYNAGOGUE WILL BE THERE FOR TEN YEARS AND
HOPE IT WILL BE THERE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AFTER THAT.
06:09:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
THAT CONCLUDES YOUR TIME, MR. SHIMBERG AND COMPANY.
NOW WE HEAR FROM MR. HARRISON, IS THAT CORRECT?
HELLO, SIR.
GOOD EVENING.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
MR. SHELBY, YES.
06:09:16PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. HARRISON, DO YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER
FORM?
06:09:19PM >> I HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM, YES, SIR.
06:09:21PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM THIS
EVENING, WHEN YOU COME UP, PLEASE HAND IT TO ME.
WHAT I WILL DO --
06:09:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. SHELBY, DOES THIS KICK OFF PUBLIC
COMMENT OFFICIALLY?
06:09:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I DON'T BELIEVE SO, BECAUSE AFTER THIS WE
HAVE -- WE HAVE ANOTHER ATTORNEY WHO WILL FOLLOW -- THIS IS
PART OF PUBLIC COMMENT?
OKAY.
I STAND CORRECTED.
THIS DOES BEGIN PUBLIC COMMENT.
06:09:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PER MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE.
SHE ASKED FOR A BRIEF RECESS BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF PUBLIC
SPEAKERS.
BEFORE WE BEGIN YOU WITH A TEN-MINUTE RECESS MR. SHELBY TO
GET EVERYTHING ORGANIZED.
06:10:00PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SHE WISHES TO DO THAT NOW.
06:10:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SHE CAME OVER TO ASK BECAUSE THERE ARE A
LOT OF PEOPLE DOWNSTAIRS.
06:10:09PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHAT HAPPENED -- IF I CAN -- MISS EDWARD IS
NOT HERE.
WE HAVE SEVEN NAMES HERE.
THEN WE WOULD HAVE SEVEN NAMES, I SUSPECT, WITH THE FOLLOWING
SPEAKER 14 ADDITIONAL SEATS THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE OPENED
UP.
THAT'S CORRECT?
06:10:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE WILL GO TO YOU, SIR, FIRST, AND THEN
I WILL SEE WHEN SHE COMES IN.
I KNOW SHE IS LISTENING.
READ THE NAMES, MR. SHELBY.
06:10:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PARDON ME.
OH, THANK YOU.
ANALISE MEYER.
ARE YOU PRESENT?
MAYBE SHE IS NOT IN HERE THEN.
06:10:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MAYBE SHE IS DOWNSTAIRS.
06:10:42PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT MIGHT BE THE ISSUE THEN.
06:10:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE WILL TAKE A RECESS FOR TEN MINUTES.
I WANT TO KEEP EVERYTHING ORGANIZED AND DON'T -- YOU DON'T
HAVE TO LEAVE.
DON'T GO THROUGH SECURITY.
WE WILL BE BACK IN TEN MINUTES.
THANK YOU.
06:28:10PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
06:28:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
06:28:12PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PRESENT.
06:28:15PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
06:28:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
VIERA IS RIGHT HERE.
06:28:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
06:28:23PM >>CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM MR. HARRISON IS THE FIRST
SPEAKER.
HE HAS A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
06:28:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC NOW DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, THE
CITY COUNCIL RULES DO PROVIDE TO ALLOW A SPEAKER EXTRA TIME
IF THEY PARTICIPATE WITH A PUBLIC SPEAKER WAIVER FORM WHICH
IS AVAILABLE OUTSIDE.
AND I SEE HERE THERE ARE SEVEN NAMES.
YOU CAN HAVE UP TO SEVEN NAMES ON THE SHEET FOR EACH
PERSON, AND THEY GAVE UP THREE MINUTES.
THE PEOPLE WHOSE NAMES I CALL OUT WAIVE THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO
SPEAK TO GIVE THE SPEAKER AN ADDITIONAL MINUTE.
THIS IS TRUE FOR MR. HARRISON AND ANYBODY ELSE APPROACHING
WITH A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
WHEN THE SPEAKER COMES UP, PLEASE HAND ME THE SPEAKER WAIVER
FORM BEFORE.
THE PEOPLE WHOSE NAMES I CALLED HAVE TO BE PRESENT SO THEY
CAN ACKNOWLEDGE THEY ARE GIVING THEIR TIME.
I WILL ADD UP THE PEOPLE PRESENT AND TIMER WILL BE SET.
FOR SEVEN NAMES WILL BE A TOTAL OF TEN MINUTES.
IF I CALL YOUR NAME PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE ANA LEASE, KAREN
ROBERTS, SUZANNE CORAL.
JOANNE HAUSER.
DEAN HOWSER.
MARY SEVILLE.
06:29:44PM >> HERE.
06:29:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
TEN MINUTES PLEASE.
06:29:48PM >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, I AM ATTORNEY RICHARD HARRISON
HERE REPRESENTING THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB.
I WAS TO THE INVOLVED WHEN YOU FIRST HEARD IT BUT I WAS
INVOLVED AFTER THE MEDIATION YOU TALKED ABOUT.
GOOD TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU.
ATTORNEY JANE GRAHAM IS HERE REPRESENTING ALTURA.
WE TRIED TO COORDINATE SOMEWHAT SO WE ARE NOT REPEATING
OURSELVES AND UNNECESSARILY TAKING UP TIME.
WE HAVE ALSO MUTUALLY RETAINED A LAND PLANNER JEFF CADEMS
WHO WILL BE TESTIFYING FOR BOTH TAMPA GARDEN CLUB
AND ALTURA.
I WANT TO MAKE REALLY SOME BIG PICTURE POINTS.
YOU WILL HEAR A LOT OF TECHNICAL STUFF ABOUT LAND USE.
I WANT TO MAKE BIG PICTURE POINTS.
THE FIRST IS ABOUT THIS FLUEDRA MEDIATION THAT YOU HEARD
ABOUT.
BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A MISIMPRESSION THAT FOLKS LIKE
THE GARDEN CLUB AND FOLKS LIKE ALTURA AND FOLKS LIKE THE
RESIDENTS IN THE AREA, THE NEIGHBORS, WERE ACTIVE
PARTICIPANTS IN THAT.
IT IS A VERY BIZARRE PROCESS.
A STATUTE THAT THE LEGISLATURE WROTE AND IMPOSED ON US.
WE GET INVITED TO COME TO THE MEDIATION, AND THEN WE GET
TOLD YOU DON'T GET TO PARTICIPATE IN THE NEXT.
YOU GET TO SIT IN THE LOBBY AND WAIT UNTIL WE ARE DONE.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.
THE END OF THE VERY FIRST LONG DAY, WE HUNG OUT ALL DAY, AND
PARTIES, BEING THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER WERE GOING BACK
AND FORTH WITH THE MEDIATOR NEGOTIATING.
AND WE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THAT.
WE WERE NOT INVOLVED.
AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY SAID WE DIDN'T AGREE.
WE ARE COME BACK FOR ANOTHER ROUND.
SAME THING HAPPENED ON DAY TWO.
DAY TWO, THEY COME BACK OUT AND SAY, HA HA, WE REACHED WHAT
IS AN AGREEMENT.
WE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF IT.
TWO WEEKS WORK CONTINUING TO AND PUT IT BRIEFLY ON AN
OVERHEAD AND SAID DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY INPUT.
THAT IS NOT MEANINGFUL INPUT.
DON'T THINK THAT PEOPLE LIKE THE NEIGHBORS, THE NEARBY
CITIZENS OR ADJOINING LANDOWNERS HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANT
INVOLVEMENT -- OR ANY INVOLVEMENT AT ALL IN THAT MEDIATION
PROCESS.
NOT IN ANY WAY A CRITICISM OF JUDGE BATTLES.
HE DID A GREAT JOB.
HE DID EXACTLY WHAT THE STATUTE COMMANDS HIM TO DO WHICH IS
TO TRY TO GET TO THE SETTLEMENT.
JUST A VERY ODD PROCESS WHERE YOU GET INVITED AND YOU DON'T
GET TO PLAY.
SO THAT IS THE MEDIATION.
ANOTHER POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS ABOUT PERSPECTIVE.
YOU HAVE -- THIS PROJECT, AS YOU KNOW, HAS A LONG HISTORY.
IT HAS BEEN DENIED AT EVERY STEP.
THE LAST ITERATION WAS 26 FLOORS.
OVER 275,000 SQUARE FEET, 42 UNITS.
49 FEET HIGH.
I APPRECIATE MR. CREMER REMINDING US THAT IT STARTED OFF
EVEN MORE MASSIVE THAN THAT.
CURRENT ITERATION IS 16 FLOORS.
196,000 SQUARE FEET.
38 UNITS.
215 FEET HIGH AT THE HIGHEST.
SO, YES, IT IS OBJECTIVELY SHORTER IN HEIGHT.
NOBODY CAN DENY THAT.
AND NOT SURPRISINGLY, THE DEVELOPER SPENDS A LOT OF TIME
TALKING ABOUT THAT.
BUT THE MASSIVE FOOTPRINT OF THE PROJECT HAVEN'T
SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGED.
THE OTHER CHANGES THIS THEY MADE FROM LAST ONE TO THIS ONE
OUT OF THIS MEDIATION PROCESS IS MINERAL AND COSMETIC.
DEPENDING ON WHEN AND WHERE YOU GREW UP, YOU HEARD THE
EXPRESSION, "PUTTING LIPSTICK ON A PIG."
DEVELOPER WANTS TO FOCUS ON REDUCTION IN HEIGHT AND TELL YOU
LOOK HOW MUCH WE HAVE DONE.
THEY WANT TO TELL YOU IT IS A COMPROMISE.
WELL, BUT IT IS NOT.
IF YOU START WITH A PROJECT THAT IS ABSURDLY INCOMPATIBLE
AND THEN YOU SCALED IT BACK A LITTLE BIT, THAT DOESN'T MAKE
IT COMPATIBLE, THAT MAKES IT LESS ABSURDLY INCOMPATIBLE.
SO PLEASE KEEP THAT PERSPECTIVE IN MIND.
THE NEW DESIGN IS -- IS INCOMPATIBLE FOR ALL THE SAME
REASONS THAT THE LAST DESIGN WAS INCOMPATIBLE.
HE WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE LEGAL ISSUES HERE,
BECAUSE AT THE TOP OF THE HEARING WHEN WE KICK OFF, YOU
HEARD THE CITY ATTORNEY TELL YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE --
YOU ARE CONSIDERING THIS IN HAD THE CONTEXT OF A SETTLEMENT
OF A PENDING LEGAL DISPUTE.
OKAY.
WELL, THAT'S FINE.
ORDINARILY, WHEN I AM TALKING TO CLIENTS ABOUT A POSSIBLE
SETTLEMENT, I AM ANSWERING QUESTIONS LIKE, OKAY, WHAT --
WHAT IS THE RISK TO US IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS SETTLEMENT?
WHAT IS OUR LEGAL EXPOSURE IF WE DON'T GO ALONG WITH THIS?
WHAT ARE THE MERITS OF THE CLAIMS THAT THESE FOLKS ARE
ASSERTING AGAINST US?
DO WE HAVE GOOD DEFENSES TO THOSE CLAIMS?
I HAVEN'T HEARD YOUR LAWYER SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ANY OF THAT.
SO IT TEAMS A LITTLE ODD TO GET UP AND TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE
CONSIDERING THIS IN THE CONTEXT OF A LEGAL SETTLEMENT BUT
NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT IT LIKE IT IS A LEGAL SETTLEMENT.
IN FACT, CITY ATTORNEY BACK IN MAY OF '24, WROTE AN
EXCELLENT RESPONSE TO THE DEVELOPERS' PETITION FOR RELIEF.
AFTER IT WAS DENIED WHEN THEY SUBMITTED THEIR WRITTEN
PETITION ASKING FOR RELIEF UNDER THE FLUEDRA STATUTE, YOUR
CITY ATTORNEYS PREPARED A WRITTEN RESPONSE TO THAT.
IT WAS VERY WELL-DONE.
THIS IS ONLY IN MAY OF 2024.
JUST SHY OF NINE MONTHS AGO .IN THAT WRITTEN RESPONSE, THEY
ADDRESSED SOME OF THESE LEGAL EXAMS, ALL OF THE LEGAL CLAIMS
BEING MADE BY THE DEVELOPER.
THE BERT HARRIS CLAIM.
THE OTHER CLAIMS BEING ASSERTED.
THE CIVIL RIGHTS CLAIMS.
AND THEY TOLD YOU IN THAT WRITTEN RESPONSE THAT THEY IS IT
NOT ANY THESE CLAIMS HAD ANY MERIT.
THEY GAVE YOU GOOD SOLID DEFENSES TO THOSE CLAIMS.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING WHERE THE CITY ATTORNEYS HAVE
CHANGED THEIR MIND AND SAID WE DON'T STAND BY THAT.
OUR ANALYSIS IS NOW DIFFERENT.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY NEW MEMO DISCUSSING THOSE LEGAL ISSUES.
SO WHAT HAS CHANGED FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE IN NINE MONTHS.
THE ANSWER IS NOTHING AS FAR AS ANYBODY CAN TELL.
THEY ALSO SAID SOME OTHER THINGS IN THAT WRITTEN RESPONSE
THAT HI THOUGHT WAS VERY GOOD -- IT WAS A VERY WELL-DONE
RESPONSE.
TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE EVIDENCE FROM THE PREVIOUS HEARING
AND SOME OF THE FACTUAL CONCLUSIONS.
AND SAID, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THE EVIDENCE SHOWED THAT THIS
PORTION OF BAYSHORE BOULEVARD IS UNIQUE AND SIGNIFICANTLY
DIFFERENT THAN THOSE AREAS ALONG BARBIE BOULEVARD THAT
SUPPORT HIGH-RISE DEVELOPMENTS.
WELL, WHAT HAS CHANGED IN NINE MONTHS ABOUT THAT?
NOTHING.
THEY SAID IN RELATION TO THE PREVIOUS HEARING AS MANY
LONG-STANDING RESIDENTS TESTIFIED, THE AREA SURROUNDING THE
SUBJECT PROPERTY IS UNIQUE AND SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN
THOSE AREAS.
THAT SUPPORT HIGH-RISE DEVELOPMENT ELSEWHERE ALONG BAYSHORE
BOULEVARD.
IS THAT STILL THEIR VIEW OR IS IT NOT?
IS IT SOMETHING DIFFERENT?
THERE IS NO NEW MEMO.
NOTHING THAT SAYS ANY OF THIS HAS CHANGED.
THEY ADDRESSED IN THAT MEMO, THE WRIT OF CERTIORARI
PETITION BY THE DEVELOPER AND THEY ADDRESSED IN
THAT MEMO THE BERT HARRIS'S CLAIM AND THE DEFENSES TO IT.
THEY ADDRESSED IN THAT THE RELIGIOUS LAND USE OF ACT CLAIM
AND SAID THAT STATUTE DOES NOT PROHIBIT THE APPLICATION OF
VALID NEUTRAL ZONING PROVISIONS TO RELIGIOUS PROPERTY TO
CURTAIL USES NOT PERMITTED IN THE AREA.
SIMPLY STATED, THE CITY COUNCIL'S ACTION IN DENYING THE
APPLICANT APPLICATION DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A SUBSTANTIAL
BURDEN ON AN ENTITY OR PERSON'S RELIGIOUS EXERCISE.
I WOULD WANT TO KNOW IF I WERE YOU IF THE VIEW OF THAT HAS
CHANGED.
THEY ARE TELLING YOU TO APPROVE THE SETTLEMENT BUT NOT
TAKING OF IT IN THE CASE.
THAT IS AN ODD WAY TO TALK OF A SETTLEMENT OF A LEGAL
DISPUTE.
MY LAST POINT.
I ONLY HAVE LESS THAN A MINUTE.
YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM SPEAKERS THAT FOLLOW LOTS OF
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM CITIZENS, FROM RESIDENTS, FROM
OUR LAND PLANNER.
INFORMATION THAT HAS NOT BEEN BROUGHT TO YOU BY STAFF.
INFORMATION THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN ANY PRESENTATION BY
STAFF.
AND I URGE YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT INFORMATION, NUMBER
ONE.
WHY IS IT NOT BEING PRESENTED TO YOU BY YOUR STAFF WOULD BE
A GOOD QUESTION TO ASK?
BUT PLEASE CONSIDER THAT INFORMATION AS YOU GO FORWARD IN
THIS PROCESS THIS EVENING.
THANK YOU.
06:39:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
NEXT SPEAKER IS JANE GRAHAM.
SHE HAS A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
PLEASE HAND THE SPEAKER WAIVER FORM TO OUR ATTORNEY AND HE
WILL READ OFF THE NAMES.
06:39:53PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MARGUERITE BRODY?
THANK YOU.
GEORGE BRODY.
JENNIFER COLON.
BILL ERNEST.
THANK YOU.
ROBIN ERNEST.
THANK YOU.
JAY SERENA.
THANK YOU.
ELISE SCHREIBER.
SEVEN NAMES, TEN MINUTES, PLEASE.
06:40:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
06:40:28PM >> GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS JANE GRAHAM OF SUNSHINE CITY LAW.
AND I REPRESENT ALTURA BAYSHORE CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION.
THIS IS THE THIRD TIME THAT I HAVE AND BEFORE ALL OF YOU
REGARDING A PROPOSAL ON 2713 BAYSHORE.
YOU RIGHTFULLY DENIED IT TWICE BEFORE PACED ON ISSUES OF
COMPATIBILITIES AND IMPACT TO SURROUNDING AREAS.
TODAY YOU ARE HERE CONSIDERING A SETTLEMENT PURSUANT TO THE
FLORIDA LAND USE AND ENVIRONMENTAL DISPUTE ACT FOR A
16-STORY BUILDING AND FIVE-STORY PARKING STRUCTURE.
WHILE A COMPROMISE WOULD BE NICE, I ALWAYS TELL MY CLIENTS
THAT SETTLEMENTS ARE GOOD BECAUSE IT ALLOW TO CONTROL YOUR
DESTINY, BUT THE COMPROMISE NEEDS TO REFLECT WHAT IS
ACTUALLY COMPATIBILITY AND WHAT IS GOOD FOR YOU.
YOU TONIGHT WANT TO AGREE TO SOMETHING THAT IS TO YOUR OWN
DETRIMENT.
ON TOP OF THAT, AS MR. HARRISON MENTIONED IN EVALUATING
WHETHER OR NOT YOU SHOULD SETTLE SOMETHING.
LOOK AT YOUR LIABILITIES AND WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY EXPOSING
OURSELVES TO.
ALTURA OPPOSES THE NEW PROPOSAL AND RESPECTFULLY REQUESTS
DENIAL ON MANY OF THE SAME GROUNDS THAT THE PROJECT WAS
PREVIOUSLY DENIED.
I AM GOING TO EXPLAIN SPECIFICALLY WHAT THIS IS, AND MOST
CRITICALLY, THE PROJECT STILL LACKS COMPATIBILITY WITH THE
SURROUNDED IMPACTED NEIGHBORHOOD.
I AM ALSO GOING TO EXPLAIN AS WELL AS MR. HARRISON DID WHY
SOME OF THE VARIOUS LEGAL CLAIMS THAT THE DEVELOPER IS
LOOKING AT ARE WEAK.
AND THEY ARE NOT A COMPELLING BASIS FOR SETTLEMENT.
THEY SAY, WELL, IT IS A $7 MILLION DAMAGES FOR -- FOR A BERT
HARRIS ACT AND LET'S BREAK THAT DOWN AND SEE WHAT EXPOSURE
THE CITY HAS.
I SUBMITTED A PACKAGE OF EVIDENCE INTO THE RECORD WHICH I
HAVE HARD COPIES OF, IT INCLUDES THE CITY OF TAMPA'S
RESPONSE TO THE PETITIONER'S REQUEST FOR RELIEF FROM
THE FLUEDRA PROCEEDING WHICH IS REALLY EXCELLENT AND
DETAILED, AND I WILL ASK YOUR STAFF IF THEY HAVE CHANGE
THEIR MINDS ON ANY OF THE ANALYSIS.
IT ALSO INCLUDES MR. KADEM'S RESUME AND REPORT.
AND ALTURA HAD ATTRACT ENGINEERING, DREW ROCK, LOOK AT
TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AND CONCLUDED THAT WITH HIS RESUME.
FINALLY, INCLUDING A LETTER THAT HE WILL SARCASTICALLY
CALLED A LOVE LETTER TO MR. CREMER FROM ALTURA THAT I WANT
TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION.
TALKING GENERALLY OF THE COMPATIBILITY ISSUE.
WHAT IS DIFFERENT AND WHAT IS THE SAME?
WELL, THE PROPOSAL MASS REDUCED SOMEWHAT IN SIZE, THE
SURROUNDING AREA HAS NOT SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED SINCE THE
FEBRUARY 2024 DENIAL.
IF YOU LOOK THE ADJACENT PARCEL DATA TABLE WHICH IS ON THE
SITE PLAN FOR RES-22-93, 2406 OF FEBRUARY 2024.
AND RES 2406 NOW, YOU WILL SEE THAT THE ADJACENT PARCELS ARE
MOSTLY IF NOT ALMOST ALL SINGLE-FAMILY OR INSTITUTIONAL.
AND ALL OF PARCELS THAT ARE IN R-35 ARE SINGLE-FAMILY OR
INSTITUTIONAL.
YOU WILL HEAR A LOT TONIGHT ABOUT HOW ALTURA -- AND THIS IS
ACTUALLY IN THE APPLICANT'S EVIDENCE THAT ALTURA REPRESENTS
A PRIME EXAMPLE OF SIZE AND CHARACTER APPROPRIATE AND
COMPATIBLE FOR BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
AGAIN, ALTURA IS NOT ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD AND LOCATED BY THE
SELMON EXPRESSWAY IN A DIFFERENT LAND USE MINUTED AUTO US.
ADDITIONAL INCONSISTENCIES WITH THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
THAT MR. KADEM ALSO SPEAK IN MORE DETAIL AND I URGE TO YOU
LISTEN TO THAT.
AS FAR AS THE CRITERIA 27-136 FOR THE BURDEN FOR A PD,
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE EARLIER
RESOLUTIONS DENYING THIS SAID THAT IT FAILED UNDER NUMBER
ONE, PROMOTING EFFICIENT AND SUSTAINABLE USE OF LAND AND
INFRASTRUCTURE WITH CAREFUL CONSIDERATION OF THE POTENTIAL
ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NATURAL ELEMENTS SURROUNDING IMPACTED
NEIGHBORHOODS AND CULTURAL RESOURCES.
WELL, THE STAFF REPORT DOES TALK ABOUT TREES.
BUT THEY HAVE NO DISCUSSION OF IMPACTS TO TRAFFIC.
AND WE HAVE A REPORT FROM ATTRACT ENGINEER THAT SHOWED BASED
ON VIDEO DATA OVER A 24-HOUR PERIOD, THERE ARE 33 CUT-THRUS
FROM BAYSHORE BOULEVARD TO BAY TO BAY.
AND 49 BETWEEN 4 AND 6 P.M. AS THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER MR.
ROCK, TRAFFIC DIVERTING FROM PRIMARY ARTERIAL ROADWAYS
CREATE SAFETY ISSUES PREDOMINANTLY WITH PEDESTRIANS AND
CYCLISTS.
THIS IS EVIDENCE THAT SHOWS IT IS STILL GOING ON.
LET'S GO TO THE THREATENED LEGAL CLAIMS.
THE PETITION FOR WRIT OF CERTIARARI WILL BE AS SUCCESSFUL
AS THE CITY EXPLAINS IN THEIR FLUEDRA RESPONSE.
PETITIONER DID NOT MEET THE BURDEN OF PROOF BY RELYING ON
SUPPORT FROM PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
AND IT WAS BASED ON COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
EXCUSE ME.
LARGELY FROM -- FROM FACT-BASED TESTIMONY REGARDING THE
AESTHETIC INCOMPATIBILITY OF THE PROBABLY WITH THE
SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT IS STILL TRUE.
THAT IS STILL APPLICABLE.
THERE IS ALSO SOME INTERESTING LANGUAGE THAT SAYS THAT THE
PETITIONER'S PRESENTATION FOCUSED ON POLICY CHANGES AND IT
DISTRACTED FROM THE DOCUMENTED SURROUNDING BUILT
ENVIRONMENT.
SO I WOULD LOOK CAREFULLY AT THAT.
AND, AGAIN, WHILE MR. CREMER SPOKE OF THIS EMERGING
HIGH-RISE DISTRICT, I WOULD ADVISE TO YOU LOOK AGAIN AT THIS
TABLE OF THE ADJACENT SURROUNDING USES WHICH ARE LARGELY
SINGLE-FAMILY.
THE BERT J. HARRIS PRIVATE PROPERTY PROTECTION ACT CLAIMS
THAT CLAIMS THAT THE CITY'S DENIAL RESULTED IN A DIMINUTION
OF FAIR MARKET.
NOW IN FLORIDA, A BERT HARRIS ACT CLAIM MEANS THAT A LAND
DEVELOPER WITH SEEK RELIEF WHEN GOVERNMENTAL ACTION
INORDINATELY BURDENED AN EXISTING USE OF REAL PROPERTY OR
VESTED RIGHT OF SPECIFIC USE FOR REAL PROPERTY.
HERE THE CITY EXPLAINED IN ITS FLUEDRA RESPONSE THAT
CONTRARY TO THE PETITIONER'S DESCRIPTION OF THE SURROUNDING
AREA, THE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE SHOWED THAT THE
BUILT ENVIRONMENT LOCATED BY THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS NOT A
HIGH-RISE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO NOT ONLY DOES THE PETITIONER MISREPRESENT THE NATURE OF
THE SURROUND AREA.
PETITIONER CONVENIENTLY IGNORES THE CONGREGATION'S PAST
ACTIONS WHICH ESTABLISHED WHAT IS REASONABLY FORESEEABLE
LAND USE SUBJECT TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
CITES TO SOME REZONING BACK AROUND APRIL 7, 2016, WHERE THE
CONGREGATION SOLD THE BARCELONA PARCEL TO BAYSHORE SEVEN
WHICH DEVELOPED A .25-ACRE WITH THREE-STORY TOWN HOMES.
THAT GOES TO WHAT IS A REASONABLY FORESEEABLE LAND USE ASK
YOUR LAWYERS WHAT THAT CHANGED?
I WOULD SAY NO.
NOW AN INTERESTING ONE, RELIGIOUS STATIONALIZED PERSONS ACT.
UNDER ALOOPA FROM THE GOVERNMENT IMPOSING A SUBSTANTIAL
BURDEN ON A PERSON'S RELIGIOUS EXERCISE UNLESS THE
GOVERNMENT DEMONSTRATES THAT THE ISSUANCE WAS IN FURTHERANCE
OF A COMPELLING INTEREST AND LEASE RESTRICTIVE.
AS THE CITY EXPLAINED IN THEIR RESPONSE, TO REDEVELOP A
PROPERTY IN A PROPERTY THAT IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IN ORDER TO
FUND THE CONGREGATIONS FUTURE OPERATION IS NOT PROTECTED
UNDER ALOOPA.
YOU NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
AND THEY ACTUALLY WENT ON TO SAY THAT OTHERWISE COMPLIANCE
WITH ALOOPA WILL REQUIRE GOVERNMENTS NOT TO TREAT RELIGIOUS
INSTITUTION ON AN EQUAL FOOTING BUT FAVOR THEM IN AN
OUTRIGHT EXEMPTION FROM LAND USE.
AND NO SUCH FREE PASS FOR RELIGIOUS LAND USES MASQUERADES OF
THE GENUINE PROTECTIONS OF ALOOPA TO EXERCISE.
AGAIN, TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY.
I WANT TO STOP FOR A SECOND, BECAUSE TO THE EXTENT THAT THIS
IS A LEGISLATIVE ISSUE.
AND YOU THINK WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY?
I WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR TO ALL OF YOU THAT MY CLIENT
AND THE INDIVIDUAL EXPRESSING THEIR CONCERN IN OPPOSITION,
THEY ARE NOT DOING IT BECAUSE THEY ARE AGAINST THE ESSENTIAL
GOING TO.
THEY ARE NOT ANTISEMITIC.
THEY ARE LOOKING TO WHAT IS COMPATIBLE TO THE AREA.
AND THEY WANT TO SEE DEVELOPMENT ON THE PROBABLY -- ON THE
PROPERTY, BUT IT HAS TO FIT THE NABBED.
SO WE HAVE SEEN THESE TYPES OF RUMORS GOING AROUND.
AND I WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THAT IS NOT WHERE MY
CLIENT IS ON THIS.
SO I HAVE 24 SECONDS LEFT.
THE EQUAL PROTECTION CLAIM IS SILLY, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK,
THEY ARE NOT SIMILARLY SITUATED, THE ISSUES THAT ARE CITED.
AND THEN FINALLY, I GOT AN E-MAIL -- A LETTER THIS MORNING
SAYING THAT IF ALTURA CONTINUES IN THEIR POSITION,
THAT ALTURA WILL BE DEMOLISHED PURSUANT TO THIS FAMOUS LAND
USE PINECREST VERSUS SHIDEL, I WOULD SAY THAT -- CAN I JUST
FINISH ONE THING.
06:50:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO, MA'AM.
06:50:40PM >> STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WOULD LIKE TO ENTER THIS INTO THE RECORD PLEASE.
06:50:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JEFF CADEMS.
HE HAS A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM AS WELL.
06:50:58PM >> HUDSON.
NANCY CISBEL.
CHERYL SMITH.
CJ SMITH.
ALISON MURRAY.
NANCY NELSON.
MARY JOE.
SEVEN PEOPLE.
TEN MINUTES TOTAL, PLEASE.
06:51:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HELLO, SIR.
STATE YOUR NAME.
06:51:57PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILS.
JEFF CADEMS, AICP CERTIFIED PLANNER ACCREDITED FOR THE
CONGRESS OF THE NEW URBANISM.
I HAVE BEEN AT THIS FOR 32 YEARS IN THE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE
SECTORS.
WORKED WITH OVER 30 MUNICIPALITIES, PREPARING COMP PLANS,
LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, REVIEWING DEVELOPMENT
PROPOSALS, AND AN EQUAL AMOUNT OF WORK OF THE PRIVATE SECTOR
FOR ENTITLEMENT DEVELOPMENT.
ENOUGH ABOUT ME.
AS THE ATTORNEY SAID PREVIOUSLY, RICHARD SAID, THEY STARTED
OFF REALLY BIG, AND NOW THEY ARE JUST BIG.
I AM NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS WHY THEY DID IT, BUT HE KNOW
WHENEVER I WORK WITH PRIVATE SECTOR CLIENTS THE ADVICE IS
OVER PRODUCTIONS ARE REASONABLE AND WHAT A GREAT DEAL AND
THEY JUST COMPROMISE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS WHY THEY DID IT, BUT VERY EFFECTIVE
DESPITE THE REDUCTIONS IN THE HIGHLIGHT AND THE REDUCTION OF
FOUR CONDO UNITS, THE PROJECT IS STILL NOT CONSISTENT WITH
YOUR PLAN OR YOUR CODE.
THE PROJECT HAS A PHYSICAL SCALE THAT IS AT THE OF THE RANGE
OF THE R-83 FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY.
THE PROBLEM IS IT IS ONLY A R-35 LAND USE DESIGNATION.
R-35 IS TWO CATEGORIES LOWER THAN THE INTENSITY TOTEM POLE
THAN THE R-83.
DO YOU HAVE THE SLIDES?
OKAY.
SORRY.
I HAD AN IMAGE THAT WAS -- -- THAT WAS ILLUSTRATING THESE
THINGS.
AND THE BUILDING MASS FACING NORTH AND SOUTH AFFECTING THE
GARDEN CLUB AND THE TOWN HOUSES.
CODE SECTION 27-227-D WHICH GOVERNS THE DIMENSIONAL
STANDARDS IN PDs.
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT STATES FLEXIBILITY IN BUILDING HEIGHT
WILL BE ALLOWED PROVIDED THAT THEY ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE
SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND PROVIDED THAT THE SETBACKS ARE INCREASED TO COMPENSATE
FOR THE ADDED BUILDING HEIGHT.
THIS PROJECT CANNOT PROVIDE THE INCREASED SETBACKS VERSUS
THE STANDARD ZONING DISTRICT ALLOW A BUILDING OF THIS HEIGHT
AND THEREFORE SHOULD NOT IMPOSE THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT.
TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA THAT WILL BE IN THE RM-50 DISTRICT, THAT
WILL BE 100 FOOT SETBACK APPROXIMATELY FROM THE GARDEN CLUB
WHERE 20 IS PROPOSED AND A SIMILAR SETBACK ON YSABELLA.
THE APPLICATION USE AS FLEXIBILITY OF A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT
TO WAIVE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO GET MORE DEVELOPMENT ON
THE PROPERTY THAN IT OTHERWISE WOULD.
THIS IS STRICTLY A OUTRIGHT PROHIBITED BY LAND USE POLICY
8-15-3 OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
APPROPRIATE USE OF THE , IT, TO USE THE FLEXIBILITY TO HAVE
RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO THE APPROPRIATE SCALE OF THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
ALL PD REZONINGS HAVE TO BE FOUND CONSISTENT WITH THE
OVERALL PURPOSE AND INTENT OF A SITE PLAN-CONTROLLED
DISTRICT.
THIS IS NOT.
I FIND THAT THE APPLICATION IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE
FOLLOWING PURPOSE STATEMENTS LISTED IN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE
27-136, WHICH GOVERNS REZONINGS TO SITE PLAN-CONTROLLED
DISTRICTS.
NUMBER ONE, PROMOTE THE SUSTAINABLE USE OF INFRASTRUCTURE
WITH CAREFUL CONSIDERATION OF POTENTIAL ADVERSE IMPACTS TO
AMONG OTHER THINGS SURROUNDING IMPACTED NEIGHBORHOODS AND
CULTURAL RESOURCES.
APPLICATION DOES NOT CAREFULLY CONSIDER THE POTENTIAL
ADVERSE IMPACTS TO THE POTENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
NUMBER TWO, ALLOW FOR DIFFERENT LAND USES AND DENSITIES IN
ONE DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD NOT OTHERWISE BE POSSIBLE IN
ANOTHER DISTRICT WHICH ENCOURAGES COMPATIBILITY IN OVERALL
SITE DESIGN AND SCALE INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL TO THE PROJECT
SITE.
AGAIN THE TEMPLE -- THE DOES NOT INTEGRATE THAT IS
COMPATIBLE TO THE EXTERNAL PROJECT SITE TO THE DESIGN AND
SCALE.
AND NUMBER SIX, PROMOTE AN ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT WHERE
APPROPRIATE IN LOCATION, CHARACTER AND COMPATIBILITY WITH
THE SURROUNDING IMPACTED NEIGHBORHOODS, BUILT ENVIRONMENT
AND EXISTING GEOGRAPHY.
THE LOCATION IS NOT APPROPRIATE IN CHARACTER AND
COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING IMPACTED NEIGHBORHOOD OR
BUILT ENVIRONMENT, AND IT IS LOCATED IN THE COASTAL HIGH
HAZARD AREA WHICH IS -- WHICH IS NOT COMPATIBLE OR -- OR
APPROPRIATE FOR THAT LOCATION.
THE PETITIONER RELIES ON THE R-35 FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY.
NOT PROVIDING AN ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM HEIGHT THAT THE PD MUST
ABIDE BY.
YOUR PLAN IS WRITTEN TO ACCOMMODATE THE VARIED CONDITIONS
AMONG DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, BE THERE REQUIRING ANALYSIS
WHETHER A REZONING PROPOSES A BUILDING SCALE FOR APPLICABLE
LAND USE DISTRICT AS THE TYPICAL MAXIMUM OF EIGHT STORIES
CAN BE APPROPRIATE IN SOME CONTEXT, LESS THAN TYPICAL
MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS APPROPRIATE IN OTHER CONTEXTS AND THIS IS
ONE OF THOSE CONTEXTS.
GIVEN THE SUBJECT SITE'S LOCATION IN THE MIDST OF UNIQUE
CLUSTER OF QUASI USES.
THAT YOU TWICE RECOGNIZED ITS VALUE TO THE CITY AND LOCATED
WITHIN A LOW-SCALE FUTURE LAND USE DISTRICT 45% OF THE
MAXIMUM R-35.
INCLUDING RECENT TOWN HOUSE CONSTRUCTION ON TWO SIDES.
LOCATIONAL CONTEXT AND THE COMPATIBILITY REQUIREMENTS IN
YOUR PLAN SUGGEST THAT THE TYPICAL HEIGHT CONDITION IN R-35
IS NOT APPROPRIATE HERE.
AND A LESSER MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS APPROPRIATE NOT DOUBLE THE
TYPICAL MAXIMUM.
FINALLY, MOTION TO THAT THERE ARE OTHER TOWERS WITHIN THE
AREA AND, THEREFORE, ANOTHER ONE IN THIS LOCATION MUST BE
COMPATIBLE IS BACKWARDS.
AN APPROPRIATE COMPATIBILITY DETERMINATION IS NOT BASED ON
THE HIGHER EN INTENSITY USES IN THE AREA BUT BASED ON THE
POTENTIAL ADVERSE IMPACTS ON THE USES THAT PREDOMINANT THE
AREA.
IT SHOULD HAVE CONSIDERED APPROPRIATE SCALING AND SITE
DESIGN RELATIVE TO THE ADJACENCY AND OPEN SPACES AND
RESIDENTIAL USES JUST RECENTLY DEVELOPED AT THE LOW-END OF
THE R-35 INTENSITY SCALE.
IN FACT THE PD PROVISIONS IN THE PLAN REQUIRE THAT THE
COMPATIBILITY ANALYSIS BE FROM THE BOTTOM UP AND NOT THE TOP
DOWN.
THEY REAR USING THE CRITERIA OF THE STANDARD ZONING
DISTRICTS THAT IMPLEMENT R-35 LAND USE TO GUIDE THE DESIGN
OF THE PD PLAN.
THE CODE ESTABLISHES THE RM-24 DISTRICT AS THE MOST
PERMISSIVE DISTRICT THAT IS ALLOWED TO IMPLEMENT R-35 AND
SPECIFIES BUSINESS DISTRICTS CAN IMPLEMENT R-35.
24 UNITS TO THE ACRE AND 60 NIGHT IN HEIGHT, MAYBE FIVE OR
SIX STORIES.
PD SHOULD BEAR SOME RESEMBLANCE OF THAT.
FLEXIBILITY OF DEVELOPED NATIONS FROM A PROPER COMPATIBILITY
ANALYSIS.
INSTEAD THE PROJECT BEGAN AT 29 FLOORS AND INCREMENTALLY
WHITTLED DOWN TO WHAT IT IS TODAY TOO TALL AND TOO MASSIVE
FOR THIS LOCATION.
FINDING THAT A TOWER IS COMPATIBLE BECAUSE OTHER ARE IN THE
AREA IS TANTAMOUNT TO PLANNING -- I WILL USE THAT LOOSELY,
FROM 35 FEET.
AND BLOCK BY BLOCK DETAILS MAKING THE CITY REMARKABLE AND
LIVABLE.
PLANNING AT 35,000 FEET GIVE AWAY THE CHARACTER OF THE SMALL
AREAS THAT MAKE UP THE URBAN AREAS OF THE CITY AND
DIFFERENTIATE FROM OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY.
I DISAGREE WITH THE CHARACTERIZATION THAT THIS IS A
HIGH-RISE DISTRICT.
ON THE CONTRARY, IT IS A SMALL, COHESIVE, RESIDENTIAL AND
INSTITUTIONAL DISTRICT THAT HAS ITS OWN CHARACTER AND OWN
VALUE TO THE CITY.
IT IS ADJACENT TO HIGH-RISES.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT A HIGH-RISE DISTRICT.
MOREOVER, THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THIS SITE AND THE REST OF
THE R-35 DISTRICT IS NOT THE SAME AS THE ONES THAT HAVE THE
HIGH-RISES ALL WE ASK YOU FOLLOW YOUR OWN PLAN AND YOUR OWN
CODE AND COULD SO WILL FIND THIS APPLICATION INCONSISTENT.
THANK YOU.
07:00:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, SIR.
DANA JASPER IS OUR NEXT SPEAKER WHO HAS A SPEAKER WAIVER
FORM.
IF YOU WILL COME UP.
07:00:41PM >> I APOLOGIZE FOR THE INTERRUPTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE WITNESS A FEW QUESTIONS, IF POSSIBLE
SOMEBODY IN.
07:00:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
APPROPRIATE TO CROSS-EXAMINE AT THIS
TIME?
APPROPRIATE TO CROSS-EXAMINE?
IT IS?
AND IS THERE A TIME LIMIT ON IT?
07:01:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT HAVEN'T COME UP.
I THINK WE SHOULD JUST PROCEED.
HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED.
07:01:06PM >> I WILL BE BRIEF.
I ONLY HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.
07:01:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FOR MR. CADEMS.
07:01:13PM >> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY FOR THE RECORD WE OBJECT FOR
CROSS-EXAMINATION, AND WE SAID IT WAS A LEGISLATIVE AND NOT
QUASI JUDICIAL.
07:01:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LET'S JUST STAY ON TRACK WITH PUBLIC
COMMENT.
AND THEN LEAVE IT AS PART OF YOUR REBUTTAL.
07:01:30PM >> I HAVE TO OBJECT, BECAUSE WE HAVE AN EXPERT WHO HAS
TESTIFIED AND I AM NOT ALLOWED TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS.
I WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.
WE CAN SIT DOWN SO WE CAN MOVE ON.
07:01:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN?
07:01:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M NOT OBJECTING TO ANYTHING, BUT TO MY
KNOWLEDGE, THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW TIMES I HEARD THIS IN MY
LIFE AT CITY HALL.
WE ARE LEGISLATORS.
YOU ARE -- YOUR POSITION WAS STATED AND NO ONE
CROSS-EXAMINED YOU, AM I RIGHT OR WRONG?
07:02:04PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN.
RATHER THAN RESPOND --
07:02:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AM NOT HERE TAKING CHOICES OF EITHER
SIDE.
I WANT IT EVEN FOR BOTH SIDES.
YOUR SIDE AND THE OTHER SIDE.
07:02:15PM >> AIM HAPPY TO PROCEED.
07:02:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SORRY.
07:02:18PM >> I MADE MY OBJECTION, I'M HAPPY TO SIT DOWN FOR RECORD AS
I HAVE BEEN ASKED.
07:02:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CONTINUE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
DANA JASPER HAS A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
GIVE THAT TO THE ATTORNEY AND HE WILL READ OFF THE NAMES
THAT YOU HAVE.
07:02:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I SEE TWO NAMES -- I SEE NAMES CROSSED OUT
AND HIGHLIGHTED.
CINDY HICKEY.
THANK YOU.
DIANA SULLIVAN.
GAY JONES.
MARIANNE RODRIGUEZ.
CINDY GODING.
SANDY STRITE.
AND YVONNE POLO.
THANK YOU.
SEVEN NAMES, TEN MINUTES, PLEASE.
07:03:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
07:03:42PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
DANA JASPER, I AM THE OF THE BAYSHORE TOWNHOUSE
ASSOCIATION.
I LIVE 300 FEET FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
I SPOKE IN OPPOSITION OF THE PREVIOUS REZONINGS.
I'M HERE AGAIN TO REITERATE MY STATS, THIS TIME SUPPORTED BY
RESEARCH DATA OF THE FUTURE LAND USE R-35 PARCELS IN THE
SOUTH TAMPA DISTRICT.
SO A LITTLE PERPLEXING HOW AN AGREEMENT WAS MADE BY CITY
STAFF TO ALLOW A 16-STORY HIGH-RISE ON R-35 LAND USE PARCELS
BUT A THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATES THAT R-35, THE BUILDING
HEIGHTS ARE TYPICALLY UP TO EIGHT STORIES.
I WANT TO MAKE SPECIAL NOTATION THAT THE NUMBER OF STORY DO
VARY BY LOCATIONS.
SO I WANT TO IDENTIFY THIS LOCATION.
WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, TO RECOGNIZE THE CITY IS
COMPRISED OF FIVE UNIQUE DISTRICTS AND NOTABLY SOUTH TAMPA
IS ONE OF THOSE DISTRICTS.
SOUTH TAMPA IS A DEFINABLE LOCATION THAT YOU SEE FROM THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE BOUNDARIES SHOWN ON THE FUTURE
LAND USE MAP OF THE SOUTH TAMPA DISTRICT.
AS SUCH, I RESEARCHED EVERY PARCEL OF FUTURE LAND USE R-35
IN THE SOUTH TAMPA DISTRICT SEEKING TO UNDERSTAND THE
CONTEXT OF WHICH CITY STAFF AGREED TO A 16-STORY HIGH-RISE.
I COLLECTED BUILDING DATA.
NUMBER OF STORY ARE YEAR BUILT, TYPE OF BUILDING AND
ADDRESS.
I HAVE GIVEN EACH OF YOU A COPY OF MY DATA SPREADSHEET WITH
MY PRESENTATION.
AND I UTILIZED THE DATA SOURCES OF THE FUTURE LAND USE
MA'AM, SOUTH TAMPA DISTRICT, THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
PROPERTY APPRAISER WEB SITE AND THE CITY OF TAMPA CITIZEN
ACCESS PORTAL.
I AM GOING TO BE GIVING YOU A DATA SUMMARY IN ADDITION TO
KEY FINDS AND DATA ANALYSIS.
BEFORE I REVEAL THE DATA SUMMARY HERE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE
IS THE NUMBER OF STORIES.
ZERO REPRESENTS ANY VACANT LOTS OR PARKING LOTS.
I HAVE 1-8 AS THAT CORRESPOND THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
AND ANY BUILDING THAT ARE NINE OR MORE STORIES.
THE COLUMN IN THE CENTER WILL GIVE YOU THE TOTAL OF THE
BUILDINGS IN THERE.
IN TOTAL, OUR RESEARCH 656 FUTURE LAND USE R-35 PARCELS IN
THE SOUTH TAMPA DISTRICT.
THE KEY FINDING NUMBER ONE IS THERE ARE ZERO BUILDINGS THAT
EXCEED ANYWHERE IN R-35 SOUTH TAMPA DISTRICT.
THERE IS NOT ONE.
BETWEEN TV AND EIGHT STORIES REPRESENT LESS THAN 1% OF THE
BUILDINGS.
ONE TO FOUR STORIES REPRESENT OF R-35 IN THE SOUTH TAMPA
DISTRICT.
I WOULD LIKE TO TALK SPECIFICALLY OF THE ONE EIGHT-STORY
BUILDING THAT DOES EXIST.
THIS IS THE COMMODORE COVE CONDOS.
IT IS ON THE PARCEL OF FUTURE LAND USE R-35 IN THE SOUTH
TAMPA DISTRICT.
IT WAS BUILT IN 1976 AND STAND AT A HEIGHT OF 72 FEET.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES NOT ONE, BUT TWO BUILDINGS THAT
EXCEED THAT EIGHT-STORY HEIGHT.
THEY ARE PROPOSING A 16-STORY HIGH-RISE AT 195 FEET AS WELL
AS A PARKING STRUCTURE AT 77 FEET.
FUTURE LAND USE R-35 PARCELS AND SOUTH TAMPA LOCATIONS ARE
CHARACTERIZED BY LOW RISE BUILDINGS.
AGAIN 98.1 BUILDINGS ARE ONE TO FOUR STORIES.
HERE IS A SAMPLING OF THE -- OF THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE FOUND
ON FUTURE LAND USE R-35 IN THE SOUTH TAMPA DISTRICT
YOU WILL SEE THE ONE EIGHT-STORY BUILDING BUT FIVE-STORY
APARTMENTS, FOUR-STORY TOWN HOUSES AN CONDOS, THREE-STORY
OFFICE, CONDOS.
TWO-STORY LIVING FACILITIES.
AND TWO-STORY HOUSING APARTMENTS.
ONE-STORY POST OFFICE, AMERICAN LEGION 138 AND MANUFACTURED
HOMES.
NO BUILDINGS ON R-35 SOUTH TAMPA HAVE COME CLOSE IN HEIGHT
TO THE PROPOSED 16-STORY, 195-FOOT HIGH-RISE.
WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE HISTORICAL OVERVIEW, OLDEST BUILDING
IN 1922.
A TWO-STORY SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENT IN SOUTH HOWARD.
NEWEST BUILDING IS A THREE-STORY TOWN HOUSE ON WEST TEXAS.
SO OVER A CENTURY, 103 YEARS, NO BUILDING OVER EIGHT STORIES
BUILT ON FUTURE LAND USE R-35 IN THE ENTIRE SOUTH
TAMPA DISTRICT.
WHEN WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE NINE-YEAR DEVELOPMENT HISTORY
WINS THE CURRENT ADOPTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN 2016,
THE DATA SHOWS BETWEEN 2016 AND 2025, 39 BUILDINGS WERE
CONSTRUCTED ON FUTURE LAND USE R-35 PARCELS IN THE SOUTH
TAMPA DISTRICT.
OF THOSE, HIGHEST MAXED OUT SIX STORIES PORTLAND WESTSHORE
APARTMENTS COMPLETED IN 2022.
SO, COUNCIL, ALL BUILDINGS ON R-35 PARCELS AN SOUTH TAMPA
DISTRICT LOCATION ACE LINE WITH TO THE UP TO EIGHT STORIES
RULE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WITH THAT DATA-DRIVEN JUSTIFICATION, HOW DID THEY SHOW THAT
A HIGH-RISE IS COMPATIBLE.
THAT DECISION OFTEN BASED ON BAD DATA, OR IN THIS CASE, NO
DATA AT ALL.
WHY IS THIS PROPERTY ONE EXCEPTION IN OVER A CENTURY?
WHY IS THIS DEVELOPER THE ONE EXCEPTION IN OVER A CENTURY?
COUNCIL, DATA SUPPORTS THE BUILDINGS IN THE SOUTH TAMPA
DISTRICT LOCATION ADHERE TO THE EIGHT-STORY LIMIT AS WITH
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND I ASK THAT YOU DENY THE ZONINGS
AND UPHOLD THE CHARACTER OF NO LARGER THAN EIGHT-STORY
BUILDINGS IN THE SOUTH TAMPA DISTRICT.
I WOULD LIKE TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO ANOTHER IMPORTANT
TOPIC OF DISCUSSION.
AND THIS IS IN REGARDS TO THE MIDBLOCK CROSSWALK THAT IS
PROPOSED.
THE MID-BLOCK CROSSWALK REQUIRES AN ENGINEERING STUDY WHICH
THE APPLICANT HAS NOT DONE.
THIS PROPOSED MIDBLOCK CROSSWALK IS LESS THAN 300 FEET FROM
THE INTERSECTION OF BARCELONA AND YSABELLA.
SHOWING YOU THIS CROSSWALK WHICH WAS SUBMITTED ON THE SITE
PLAN IN ACELA, 9/17/24.
AND THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED SOME OTHER PLAN THAT NO ONE HAS
BEEN AWARE OF OR THAT STAFF HAS REVIEWED.
THE CITY OF TAMPA TRANSPORTATION TECHNICAL MANUAL STATES
THAT ALL SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WILL BE GOVERNED BY THE
MANUEL.
THE FOLLOWING DOCUMENTS MANUAL ON TRAFFIC CONTROL AND THE
FLORIDA D.O.T. AND DESIGN STANDARDS OF LATEST EDITIONS.
THESE DOCUMENTS WILL BE CONSIDERED THE MINIMUM STANDARDS OF
THE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
IN THE UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES, QUOTE, AT
UNCONTROLLED APPROACHES AN ENGINEERING STUDY SHOULD BE
PERFORMED BEFORE A MARKED CROSSWALK IS INSTALLED.
FDOT DESIGN MANUAL, AN ENGINEERING STUDY FOR NEW BID
CROSSWALKS TO FOLLOW THE PROCEDURES AND GUIDELINES IN TEM
5.2.
MID-BLOCK CROSSWALKS SHOULD NOT BE WHERE THE FOLLOWING
EXISTS.
NEAREST INTERSECTION IS LESS THAN 300 FEET.
AND THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING MANUAL, 5.2.5.1 FOR THE MARKED
CROSSWALK, QUOTE VALIDATE THE NEED FOR MIDBLOCK CROSSWALKS
AND WITH AN ENGINEERING STUDY.
CONTINUING MINIMUM LOCATION CHARACTERISTICS.
VEHICULAR VOLUME OF 2,000 ADE OF GREATER OF THE ROADWAY
SEGMENT.
COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE HERE, THIS -- THE APPLICANT
HAS NOT CONDUCTED A TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS OF VEHICULAR
VOLUME ALONG THE ROADWAY SEGMENT.
THE APPLICANT HAS A TRIP GENERATION COMPARISON OF THE
PROPOSED CONDOS IN THE EXISTING PRESCHOOL.
6.2.6.
CONDUCT AN ENGINEERING STUDY BEFORE INSTALLING A MARKED
CROSSWALK AT A MIDBLOCK LOCATION FOR UNSIGNALIZED
INTERSECTION.
SO COUNCIL, THE APPLICANT HAS NOT CONDUCTED THE REQUIRED
ENGINEERING STUDY FOR INSTALLATION MID-BLOCK CROSSWALK ON
SOUTH YSABELLA AVENUE.
FOR THIS ADDITIONAL REASON, I ASK THAT YOU DENY THE REZONING
24-06.
THANK YOU.
07:12:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER TIM EVERETT FOLLOWED BY MARCY BAKER.
MR. EVERETT, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
YES.
07:12:46PM >> HI, MY NAME IS TIM EVERETT, 2719 SOUTH YSABELLA AVENUE
WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS --
07:13:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU WANT TO PUT THAT IN THE RECORD?
07:13:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU HAVE A COPY.
THIS ONE LOOKS LIKE A -- LIKE A VERY SIMILAR COPY.
THANK YOU.
THREE MINUTES FOR THIS SPEAKER.
07:13:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THIS A THREE-MINUTE SPEAKER.
SIR, STATE YOUR NAME.
START FROM THE BEGINNING.
07:13:29PM >> TIM EVERETT, 2719 SOUTH YSABELLA WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS
THE STREET FROM THE PROPOSED TOWER.
VICE PRESIDENT OF MICHAEL TOWN HOMES PROPERTY OWNERS
ASSOCIATION.
OUR HOMEOWNERS ARE IN OPPOSITION TO THEPROPOSED PROJECT
FOR ALL THE REASONS ALREADY STATED BY THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS.
IN ADDITION, I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
AREA WHICH THIS PROJECT FALLS INTO.
AS I AM SURE THE COUNCIL KNOWS, THIS IS AN AREA PARTICULARLY
VULNERABLE TO COASTAL FLOODING FROM TROPICAL STORM EVENTS
AND DEFINED IN 163.3178 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES OF AN AREA
BELOW THE ELEVATION OF A CATEGORY ONE STORM SURGE LINE.
BUILDING IN -- BUILDING CAN BE RESTRICTED FOR SEVERAL
REASONS, RELATED TO SAFETY, ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS AND
LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY.
AND HERE IS WHY.
NUMBER ONE, FLOODING AND STORM SURGE RISKS.
37 CHHAs ARE AREAS PRONE TO IS HE SEVERE FLOODING AND
HURRICANES AND OTHER EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS.
THESE HOMES ARE TYPICALLY IN THE PATH OF THE MOST
DESTRUCTIVE FORCES PROPOSING SIGNIFICANT RISK TO LIFE AND
PROPERTY.
NUMBER TWO, HIGH INSURANCE RISKS.
PROPERTIES IN CHHAs FACE HIGHER RISK LEADING TO INCREASED
INSURANCE PREMIUMS AND FLOOD AND WIND DAMAGE.
SOME INSURERS MAY REFUSE TO COVER THESE PROPERTIES OF THE
HIGH POTENTIAL OF REPEATED CLAIMS.
NUMBER THREE, REGULATORY RESTRICTIONS.
THE GUIDANCE IN THE STATUTE STATE THAT DIRECT FUTURE
POPULATION CONCENTRATIONS AWAY FROM THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
AREAS TO ACHIEVE A NET ZERO INCREASE IN OVERALL RESIDENTIAL
DENSITY WITHIN THESE AREAS.
THE NATIONAL FLOOD PROGRAM GUIDELINES DISCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT
IN THESE FLOOD PRONE AREAS.
WITH RISING SEA LEVELS AND INCREASING STORM
INTENSITIES, CHHAs FACE GROWING RISK.
BUILDING IN THESE AREAS CAN LEAD TO SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES
IN THE FUTURE INCLUDING LOSS OF -- OF UNUSABLE LAND.
IT ALSO POSES ADDED EVACUATION PROBLEMS WHEN EVACUATION
ORDERS ARE GIVEN.
AS YOU KNOW WITH BOTH OF THE MOST RECENT HURRICANES, TRAFFIC
WAS BACKED UP ON THE CROSSTOWN AND I-75 BEN THE EVACUATION
ORDERS WERE GIVEN.
BRING UP MY FIRST SLIDE.
THIS SHOWS AN AREA FROM WHERE THE STORM SURGE RAN UP ALL THE
WAY UP TO YSABELLA.
THAT COVERED ALMOST THE TEEN -- ALMOST THE ENTIRE PARKING
LOT OF THE SYNAGOGUE WHEN THE STORM SURGE HIT.
AS YOU CAN SEE, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DANIEL TO THE
CONDOMINIUMS ALONG -- ALONG BARCELONA THERE.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE WATER LINE WAS UP TO.
OBVIOUSLY THIS IS WHERE ALL THE DEBRIS CAME UP TO.
THIS IS A GENTLEMAN WHO IS STANDING ON THE CORNER OF BAY TO
BAY AND BARCELONA.
YOU CAN SEE THE WATER LEVEL WAS UP SIGNIFICANTLY AND THAT
WAS ABOUT FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE STORM SURGE -- BEFORE THE
MAXIMUM STORM SURGE.
THIS IS THE AREA RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE SYNAGOGUE AREA.
07:16:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MARCY BAKER.
MARCY BAKER HAS SPEAKER WAIVER FORM WITH ONE NAME.
IF YOU HAVE A PAPER -- A PIECE OF PAPER WITH YOUR NUMBER,
DROP IT IN THE BASKET I THINK -- IT IS UP THERE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
07:16:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ANYBODY WHO HAS A NUMBER WHO HAVEN'T
DROPPED IT IN THE BASKET, MAKE SURE WHEN YOU LEAVE, TO PUT
IT IN THE BASKET PLEASE.
07:17:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MARCY BAKER.
YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
07:17:05PM >> ARIANA ALFIE.
ONE ADDITIONAL MINUTE.
07:17:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
STATE YOUR NAME.
07:17:11PM >> MARCY SOLOMON BAKER.
610 QUEST SWANN AVENUE RIGHT ON THE BAYSHORE.
MY THIRD TIME TALKING TO YOU ALSO.
I ALREADY TOLD YOU I AM A PASTOR OF CONGREGATION RODEPH
SHALOM.
I AM A LIFE-LONG TAMPA RESIDENT.
AND I CURRENTLY LIVE ON BAYSHORE.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I ACTUALLY DO LIVE, WORK, PRAY AND
PLAY IN SOUTH TAMPA AND HAVE MY ENTIRE LIFE.
I ALREADY TOLD YOU THAT MY DAUGHTER WAS BAR MITZVAHED AT
RODEPH SHALOM.
I WAS BAR MITZVAHED AT RODEPH SHALOM.
MY DAUGHTER BABY NAMED THERE AND IF YOU APPROVE THIS, FOR
RODEPH SHALOM WILL BE THERE FOR MY DAUGHTER TO BE MARRIED
THERE AND HER BABY NAMING THERE.
WHAT NEW CAN I TELL YOU.
WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS.
I JUST STARTED THINKING OF WHAT MY DAY JOB IS.
I AM A PEDIATRICIAN.
I AM A PEDIATRICIAN IN SOUTH TAMPA, IN HYDE PARK.
I SERVED THIS COMMUNITY FOR 22 YEARS AS A LOCAL
PEDIATRICIAN.
AND SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN IN THE NEWS RECENTLY AND
SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH A LOT IS THE
ANTI-VACCINE MOVEMENT.
I DEAL WITH IT ALL THE TIME.
THEY ARE THE LOUDEST VOICES IN THE ROOM ALWAYS, OKAY.
BUT THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION IS THAT MORE THAN 95% OF MY
PATIENTS -- MORE THAN THAT -- COME IN EVERY DAY AND GET
THEIR VACCINES.
THEN THEY MOVE ON WITH THEIR LIVES.
THEY GET THEIR VACCINES.
THEY KNOW IT IS RECOMMENDED.
THEY ARE NOT THE LOUDEST VOICES IN THE ROOM.
THEY ARE NOT ON SOCIAL MEDIA TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW,
GETTING THEIR VACCINES.
I FEEL LIKE THAT IS AN ANALOGY WHAT IS GOING ON.
YOU HAVE A LOT OF LOUD VOICES IN THE ROOM, BUT I THINK THE
MAJORITY OF PEOPLE -- AND AGAIN, I LIVED HERE MY WHOLE LIFE
AND I DEAL WITH THE PUBLIC EVERY DAY.
I THINK THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN TAMPA ARE MORE SILENT
MINORITY THAT THEY THINK THIS SCALED-DOWN PROJECT TO HELP
KEEP A SYNAGOGUE ON BAYSHORE IS ACTUALLY A GOOD THING.
AND THEY ARE FINE WITH IT.
SO I JUST WANT -- I JUST THOUGHT OF THAT FOR MY CAREER.
AND IT MADE ME THINK ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN THE FINAL THING I WANTED TO TELL Y'ALL IS THAT,
AGAIN, I TOLD YOU, I -- I GREW UP IN TAMPA.
I LIVED HERE MY ENTIRE LIFE.
I HAVE BEEN A PROUD JEW IN TAMPA MY ENTIRE LIFE.
OCTOBER 7 WHEN ANTI-SEMITISM SKYROCKETED IN THE WORLD AND IN
THE UNITED STATES, IN TAMPA, I HAVE FELT SAFE.
PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHERE I LIVE KNOW I FLEW AN ISRAELI FLAG OFF
MY BALCONY OFF OF OCTOBER 7, AND IT IS STILL THERE.
I HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I HAD PEOPLE ASK, ARE YOU SCARED TO DO IS THAT?
NO.
I FOUND MY JEWISH STAR OUT OF MY JEWELRY BOX AND PUT IT ON
AFTER OCTOBER 7.
AND IN TAMPA, I ALWAYS FEEL SAFE.
I WILL TELL YOU I WAS GOING ON A TRIP TO NEW YORK AND I WAS
LIKE, SHOULD I WEAR THIS OR NOT.
MADE ME THINK ABOUT IT.
BUT NEVER HERE IN TAMPA.
SO I JUST FEEL THAT TAMPA HAS BEEN SUCH A WELCOMING,
WONDERFUL CITY TO ME PERSONALLY AND I FEEL LIKE TO THE
JEWISH COMMUNITY THAT I THINK HAVING A SYNAGOGUE ON
BAYSHORE, SEEING THAT MENORAH ON OUR MAIN PRAYER STREET IS
IMPORTANT.
I AM NOT SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO MOVE TOMORROW IF THIS DEAL
DOESN'T GO THROUGH, BUT I TRULY BELIEVE WE WILL HAVE TO MOVE
AT SOME POINT AND I THINK SOMETHING -- SOMETHING WILL BE
BUILT ON THAT PROPERTY.
I WANT IT TO STAY A SYNAGOGUE, BECAUSE THAT, I THINK, TAMPA
DESERVES THAT.
THANK YOU.
07:20:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ABRAHAM MARCADUS FOLLOWED BY JIM BAKER.
AND YOU, SIR, HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM WITH THREE NAMES.
07:20:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE NAME KAREN SHILIT.
MARIELE ATLAS.
BOB LA PORTE.
AND REVA BONHOE.
OKAY, WHERE ARE YOU?
THANK YOU.
THAT IS IT IS FOUR NAMES FOR A TOTAL OF SEVEN MINUTES.
07:21:25PM >> THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS DR. MACADUS, 2619 BAYSHORE BOULEVARD LESS THAN A
BLOCK FROM THE PROPERTY.
LIFE-LONG MEMBER, PAST THE AND CURRENT BOARD MEMBER OF
RODEPH SHALOM.
I'M HERE AS A LOYAL CITIZEN, NEIGHBOR AND MEMBER OF THE
CONGREGATION.
THIS IS MY THIRD TIME ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING
THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY.
THE ISSUES ARE WELL-DOCUMENTED, 70-YEAR-OLD
FOURTH-GENERATION TAMPA NATIVE.
I'M HERE TO OFFER MY WISDOM AND INSIGHT TO URN MY CITY
COUNCIL NOT TO BLOCK PROGRESS.
TOME BRACE THE FUTURE.
AND ALLOW THIS BUILDING TO BE BUILT.
EACH TIME THIS MATTER HAS BEEN PRESENTED, MODIFICATIONS HAVE
BEEN MADE.
THIS CURRENT THIRD RENDITION IS A SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT
BUILDING THAN THE ORIGINAL PLAN.
AND APPROVED BY THE CITY STAFF.
SETBACKS ARE IMPROVED.
AND THE BUILDING IS MORE THAN 100 FEET SHORT ARE THAN THE
ORIGINAL.
THERE ARE NO VARIANCES.
NO GREEN SPACE WILL BE AFFECTED.
AND REMARKABLY, IN PLACE OF A PARKING LOT, MORE LANDSCAPING,
GREEN SPACE, TREES AND SIDEWALKS WILL BE PROVIDED THAN THERE
IS NOW.
THIS PLAN WILL NOT DETRACT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT WILL ENHANCE THE SURROUNDING AREA AND ALLOW MORE FAMILIES
TO ENJOY OUR WONDERFUL NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS DEVELOPMENT IS VITAL TO MY SYNAGOGUE AND IMPORTANT TO
THE ENTIRE JEWISH COMMUNITY.
RODEPH SHALOM IS A VALUABLE ASSET TO OUR CITY.
AND SERVES TAMPA RESIDENTS.
FOR INSTANCE, A LOCAL CHURCH, DAMAGED BY THE STORM USES
CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM SANCTUARY EVERY SUNDAY FOR CHURCH
SERVICES.
YOU ARE HEARING MANY VOICES TONIGHT AND MANY OPINIONS.
BUT THE VOICES YOU ARE NOT HEARING ARE THOSE OF THE FUTURE
38 TAMPA FAMILIES WHO WILL BE ABLE TO ENJOY BAYSHORE
BOULEVARD.
AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING THE BUILDING TO BE BUILT.
YOU ARE NOT HEARING THE FUTURE SMALL BUSINESSES ALONG
MacDILL OR BAY TO BAY THAT ARE YET TO BE CREATED.
OR FUTURE CONGREGATION MEMBERS WHO MANY YEARS FROM NOW WILL
PRAISE THE CITY COUNCIL FOR ITS DECISION BECAUSE THEY WILL
BE ABLE TO WORSHIP IN THE SYNAGOGUE THAT IS A TAMPA LANDMARK
AND A MONUMENT TO THE DIVERSITY OF MY CITY.
AND SIMILAR NEIGHBORHOODS ALL ALONG BAYSHORE.
NUMEROUS HIGH-RISE CONDOS LARGER THAN THE ONE PROPOSED.
WHY IS THIS PROJECT BEING TREATED DIFFERENTLY?
BECAUSE OF POLITICALLY CONNECTED NEIGHBORS OPPOSED TO THE
PLAN OR A HEAD COUNT OF HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN BE RALLIED HERE
IN OPPOSITION TONIGHT?
DECISIONS MUST BE BASED ON FAIRNESS TO PROPERTY OWNERS AND
THE BEST INTEREST OF THE ENTIRE CITY OF TAMPA.
THIS PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED ON ALL THREE SIDES BY SIX
HIGH-RISES.
LESS THAN A BLOCK AWAY INCLUDING FIVE OF THEM.
AQUATICA, ALLURE, SANCTUARY AND TWO RITZ TOWERS BUILT OVER
THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
THIS PROJECT IS NOT GOING TO BE THE ONE THAT DESTROYS THE
NEIGHBORHOOD BUT RESTRICTING ITS USE, UNFAIRLY DEVALUES THE
PROPERTY AND HARMS ITS OWNER CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM.
THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SOME OPPOSING ANY CHANGE TO THE
NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY HAVE LOUD VOICES.
BUT IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT TAMPA CITY COUNCIL BASE THE
DECISION ON THE GOOD FOR THE ENTIRE CITY OF TAMPA.
BAYSHORE IS NO LONGER THE QUAINT TWO-LANE RESIDENTIAL ROAD
WE SEE IN OLD PHOTOS.
A BUSY FOUR-LANE THOROUGHFARE WITH MULTIPLE TURNOFFS AND
TRAFFIC LIGHTS.
BAYSHORE HAS CHANGED AND THE USE OF THIS PROPERTY MUST
CHANGE.
TAMPA HAS GROWN, AND A STRONG NEED FOR MULTIFAMILY
RESIDENCES ALONG BAYSHORE.
THIS SCALED-DOWN PLAN TO ALLOW THE SYNAGOGUE TO REMAIN WHERE
IT IS THE BEST COMPROMISE TO PRESERVE SOME OF BAYSHORE'S
CHARACTER AND STILL ALLOW RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT.
IT WOULD BE UNFAIR TO DENY THIS PROJECT AND ALLOW ANY NEW
HIGH-RISES ALONG BAYSHORE BOULEVARD IN THE FUTURE.
RELATED GROUP IS A VALUABLE PARTNER IN TAMPA'S GROWTH AND
THESE ARE FAVORABLE TIMES FOR DEVELOPMENT IN TAMPA; HOWEVER,
THESE TIMES DON'T LAST FOREVER.
TRANSFORMING AN ASPHALT PARK LOG THE TO AN INCOME PRODUCING
PROPERTY WITH MORE GREEN SPACE BENEFITS THE CITY AND ITS
RESIDENTS.
TAMPA'S NEEDS HAVE CHANGED, AND THE CITY COUNCIL MUST HAVE
THE COURAGE AND FORESIGHT TO ADAPT TO CHANGING CONDITIONS
EVEN IN THE FACE OF OPPOSITION.
NOT DOING SO IS A DISSERVICE TO OUR CITIZENS AND
IRRESPONSIBLE FOR THE TAXPAYERS THIS CITY.
THERE IS NO REASON TO DENY THIS PROPOSAL AGAIN.
AND I URGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO SHOW LEADERSHIP AND VISION
AND APPROVE THIS PLAN TODAY.
07:26:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
JIM BAKER.
KEENAN POOLE.
7:26:13PM >> I HAVE NO MINUTES.
I HAVE THREE MINUTES.
I HAVE NO ADDITIONAL MINUTES, AND I'LL USE EVEN LESS THAN
THAT.
MY NAME IS JIM BAKER.
I RESIDE AT 610 WEST SWANN AVENUE, ABOUT A MILE FROM THE
SYNAGOGUE ALSO, JUST RIGHT AT BAYSHORE ON THE CORNER OF
BAYSHORE AND SWANN.
YOU HEARD FROM MY WIFE A COUPLE OF SPEAKERS AGO.
SHE PRETTY MUCH TOOK EVERYTHING I WAS GOING TO SAY.
WE DIDN'T LOOK AT EACH OTHER'S THINGS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IN ADDITION TO OUR WHOLE FAMILY BEING
MEMBERS OF THEIR FOREVER, I THOUGHT ABOUT A COUPLE OF POINTS
THAT THROUGHOUT THESE MEETINGS AND I WENT BACK AND DID
RESEARCH.

ONE OF THE BIG THINGS IN ONE OF THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS WAS
THE GREENSPACE.
WELL, THIS IS AN ASPHALT PARKING LOT.
IT IS NOT GREENSPACE THAT'S BEING UTILIZED.
WE'RE NOT LOSING ANY GREENSPACE.
IN FACT, WE'RE ADDING MORE TREES, MORE LANDSCAPING SO
THERE'S MORE GREENSPACE.
FITTING IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE WAS A QUOTE THAT I
PULLED UP FROM A PREVIOUS ARTICLE THAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OF
BAYSHORE GARDENS IS SURROUNDED BY TOWNHOMES AND LOW DENSITY
HOUSING AND IS OUT OF SCALE WITH THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.
I THINK IT IS TOTALLY IN SCALE, IN FACT, MORE IN SCALE THAN
IT'S EVER BEEN.
I WANT TO THANK CITY COUNCIL.
THANK RELATED, THANK ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS FOR MAKING THIS
PROJECT THE BEST PROJECT THAT IT CAN BE.
I'M TRULY GRATEFUL FOR LIVING IN THIS GREAT CITY.
I WILL SAY THERE'S ONE MORE EVENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE
AT RODEPH SHALOM ON MARCH 8.
IT IS MY ADULT BAR MITZVAH.
I'M THE ONLY 55-YEAR-OLD MAN I THINK WITH AN AARP CARD THAT
WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE A BAR MITZVAH THERE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
7:27:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CONGRATULATIONS.

THANK YOU, SIR.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS KEENAN POOLE FOLLOWED BY PAULA PERRY.
7:27:54PM >> HELLO.
MY NAME IS KEENAN POOLE.
I'M A RETIRED MANAGING PARTNER OF A LARGE CPA FIRM.
I FORMERLY LIVED AT THE STOVALL CONDOMINIUM FROM MARCH OF
2022 TO OCTOBER 15th, 2024.
I HAVE WITNESSED FIRSTHAND THE DAMAGE THAT RELATED GROUP AND
COASTAL CONSTRUCTION DID TO THE STOVALL CONDOMINIUM.
THEY HAD TWO MASSIVE CONCRETE OVER-SPRAYS DAMAGING OUR
BUILDING, DAMAGING OUR VEHICLES AND OUR POOL AREA.
PAM IORIO, OUR FORMER MAYOR, NEGOTIATED OUT-OF-COURT
SETTLEMENT IN EXCESS OF 650,000 FOR THE DAMAGES THAT THEY
CAUSED ON THE CONCRETE OVER-SPRAY.
I PERSONALLY TRIPPED OVER A HAZARD ON THE SIDEWALK RESULTING
IN THREE RIBS BEING FRACTURED.
I SETTLED WITH THEIR INSURANCE COMPANY FOR $12,000.
I GAVE ALL -- I GAVE HALF TO THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB TO FIGHT
THESE RICH LAWYERS THAT THEY HAVE HIRED.
AND ALSO I GAVE 6,000 TO THE BAYSHORE BAPTIST.
I DIDN'T WANT ONE CENT FROM THESE GREEDY OVER-DEVELOPERS.
ALSO, I WAS BROUGHT UP BY TWO FORMER U.S. MARINES FROM
WORLD WAR II TO HONOR YOUR NEIGHBOR AND TO RESPECT THEM.
WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO TO THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB, THEY ARE
GOING TO PUT THEM OUT OF BUSINESS WHILE THE CONSTRUCTION

BECAUSE THEY ALLOWED DEBRIS TO BE ON OUR PROPERTY ALL THE
TIME.
WHO WANTS TO GET MARRIED WITH CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS BLOWING
ALL OVER THE PLACE?
THE RELATED GROUP AND COASTAL CONSTRUCTION ARE THE WORST
NEIGHBORS POSSIBLE.
THEY NEVER TOOK ANY PREVENTIVE ACTION TO PICK UP THEIR STUFF
THAT BLEW ON OUR PROPERTY.
OUR HOUSE CLEANERS HAD TO DO IT.
TWO WOMEN HAD TO DO WHAT GROWN MEN SHOULD BE DOING.
THEY OPERATED WITH FLOOD LIGHTS AS EARLY AS 5:00 IN THE
MORNING UNTIL 10:30 AT NIGHT.
IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS A PRISON SHINING RIGHT ONTO OUR
BUILDING.
MOST OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE STOVALL CONDOMINIUM ARE
ELDERLY.
THEY BULLIED THEM.
SHAME ON THE TEMPLE FOR SAYING, "OH, WE'RE GOOD NEIGHBORS
AND WHAT THE GREAT RELATED GROUP IS DOING."
THEY WANT TO HURT THEIR NEIGHBORS.
THEY ARE AGAINST THEIR OWN JUDAIC PRINCIPLES.
LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THY SELF.
HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK OUT FOR THE GARDEN CLUB?
ALSO, YOU CITY PLANNERS, YOU JUST APPROVE EVERY VARIANCE --
7:30:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE FOCUS YOUR ATTENTION TO US.

THANK YOU.
7:30:57PM >> WELL, I'M CALLING THEM OUT BECAUSE THEY GOT EVERY
VARIANCE TO HURT US.
IT'S TOO VAGUE AND TOO WIDE.
SHAME ON THE CITY OF TAMPA.
7:31:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PAULA PERRY IS THE NEXT SPEAKER FOLLOWED
BY TRACI RILEY.
IF YOU HAVE A NUMBER, PLEASE DROP IT IN THE BUCKET.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, MA'AM.
7:31:40PM >> PAULA PERRY.
I'M A LONG TERM RESIDENT OF TAMPA AND A MEMBER OF THE GARDEN
CLUB AND A RESIDENT OF THE BEACH PARK NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS IS REALLY A COMMUNITY ISSUE.
THIS IS NOT ONE GARDEN CLUB AGAINST ONE NEIGHBOR.
WE'RE ACTUALLY GOOD NEIGHBORS TO THE SYNAGOGUE AND WE ENJOY
HAVING THEM AS NEIGHBORS.
I DO HAVE RESOLUTIONS FROM THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB.
THE BAYSHORE TOWN HOUSE OWNERS ASSOCIATION, ALTURA BAYSHORE
CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION, THE SOUTH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION,
MICHAEL'S TOWNHOMES PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION AND HYDE
PARK SPANISH TOWN CREEK CIVIC ASSOCIATION OPPOSING THIS
REQUEST AND MORE THAN 750 PEOPLE WHO HAVE, CITIZENS OF THE
CITY OF TAMPA THAT HAVE SIGNED A PETITION AND SUBMITTED
LETTERS IN OPPOSITION OF THIS.
THE PROJECT SIZE AND SCALE IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE

LOCATION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT BORDERS SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND SMALL BUSINESSES SUCH AS
THE WOMEN'S OWNED TAMPA GARDEN CLUB.
THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT STATES 195, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY 215 FEET IF
YOU LOOK ON THEIR SITE PLAN.
I HAVEN'T SEEN THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED TODAY, SO I
DON'T KNOW IF THEY REDUCED IT.
BUT IT SAYS 215 IN THE OTHER ONE.
IT IS IN A CHHA, ACCORDING TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE CODE,
COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA 1.1 DIRECTS FUTURE POPULATION
CONCENTRATIONS AWAY FROM COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
A LOT OF OUR FAMILY, NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS ARE STILL TRYING
TO RECOVER FROM THE DEVASTATING DAMAGE FROM HURRICANES
HELENE AND MILTON AND WE'RE ACTUALLY STILL UNDER A STATE OF
EMERGENCY.
I HAVE A COPY OF THAT FOR YOU AS WELL.
ONE OTHER THING, APPROVING REZONING APPLICATIONS MAY GRANT
APPLICANTS LEGAL ENTITLEMENTS.
IN ADDITION TO LEGAL ENTITLEMENTS, ANY CHANGES TO THE SITE
PLAN CONSIDERED NOT SUBSTANTIAL MAY BE APPROVED BY THE CITY
OF TAMPA ADMINISTRATOR ALONE.
THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND READINGS
FOR THE RITZ-CARLTON TOWERS.
THE PROJECT ON SANTIAGO.
REALLY, WHAT WE SEE THERE, BUILT NOW, BEING BUILT NOW, IT'S

MORE THAN WHAT CITY COUNCIL APPROVED.
I THINK THAT'S VERY SIGNIFICANT.
IT'S MORE UNITS.
IT'S MORE STORIES.
IT'S MORE THAN.
AND THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS LOCATION AND IT'S JUST
SOMETHING TO CONSIDER THAT EVERYTHING DECIDED HERE ISN'T
NECESSARILY WHERE IT ENDS.
I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU, AND, PLEASE OPPOSE THIS PROJECT FOR OUR CITY.
7:34:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS TRACI RILEY FOLLOWED BY PAT CIMINO AND
TONI EVERETT.
AND MS. RILEY, YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
7:34:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ONE NAME, LINDA DAY.
ADDITIONAL MINUTE.
FOUR MINUTES, PLEASE.
7:35:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
7:35:01PM >> TRACI RILEY.
IT'S NICE TO BE HERE THIS EVENING.
THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE, I WAS REPRESENTING FRED BALL PARK,
WHICH IS THE ONLY GREENSPACE LEFT ON BAYSHORE AND NEXT TO
THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB.
I WANT TO HAVE A SHOUT-OUT AND A SPECIAL THANKS TO MARLON,
JULIO, TED AND TONY WITH PARKS AND REC.

I HAVE WORKED A LOT WITH THEM OVER THE LAST YEAR.
I HAVE TO SAY WE HAVE GOTTEN A LOT DONE AND WE ARE NOW ABOUT
TO BREAK GROUND ON REPAIRING AND RESTORING PALMA CEIA SPRING
AS WELL.
WE HAVE CLEANED UP THE PARK.
WE HAVE ADDED SEVEN GARDENS.
15.6 BY 700 LINEAR FEET BACK THAT BELONGS TO THE CITY BY
REMOVING AN OLD CHAIN LINK FENCE.
STARTED THE ADA COMPLIANCE FOR THE PARK.
HISTORICAL MARKER GOING INTO THE GROUND ON FEBRUARY 28 TO
MARK THE SPRING, ALONG WITH A MONEY-RAISING EVENT THAT WILL
GO ON AT ULELE ON THE SAME EVENING.
WE HAVE INSTALLED FENCING.
WE HAVE WORKED WITH ECOSPHERE TO MATCH AND SECURE GRANTS.
WE HAVE CURRENTLY RAISED $100,000 TO DATE FOR THAT PARK.
I SAY THIS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE,
DEVELOPERS OFTEN OFFER THAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO THINGS FOR
OUR COMMUNITY.
I PROMISED YOU THAT WE WOULD KEEP OUR PROMISE AND THAT YOU
WOULD NOT NEED TO USE THAT IN YOUR DECISION BECAUSE THE
COMMUNITY IS SPEAKING LOUD THAT IT WOULD LIKE TO TAKE CARE
OF ITS SPACE.
THIS COMMUNITY SPOKE SO LOUD IT NOT ONLY RAISED FUNDS, BUT
WE HAD PRICE WATERS COOPER TARGET ON GANDY THE SANCTUARY,
SOUTHERN FLORIDA LANDSCAPING, CASPER OF THE STOVALL HOUSE,

TAMPA GARDEN CLUB, KEEPING TAMPA BAY BEAUTIFUL, ARGYLE REAL
ESTATE GROUP AND SURROUNDING COMMUNITY MEMBERS ALL PITCHED
IN HOURS UPON HOURS AND UPON HOURS THE LAST YEAR TO PUT
THEIR HANDS IN THE DIRT AND HELP REPAIR, PAINT AND RESTORE
THIS GREENSPACE.
I THOUGHT IT INTERESTING AND I WASN'T GOING TO SAY ANYTHING,
BUT WE WILL BE WORKING WITH TOM REECE TO RESTORE THE SPRING,
AND THEY HAVE NOW DECIDED THEY EVEN WANT US TO WORK ON
BALLAST POINT, ALL THE SAME PLAYERS ARE INTERESTED IN DOING
THAT AS WELL FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY IS THAT WE WOULD LIKE OUR
NEIGHBORHOOD TO STAY AS SMALL OF A NEIGHBORHOOD AS WE CAN,
KEEP THAT SMALL FEEL.
KEEP THOSE PARKS THAT PEOPLE WALK THEIR DOGS IN, NOT HAVE
THE GIANT HIGH-RISES BLOCK OUR SKIES.
I NOTICED THAT THE DEVELOPER FOR THE SANCTUARY STOOD IN HERE
AND DECIDED HE WOULD TAKE OWNERSHIP FOR THAT BUILDING WHICH
I FOUND VERY INTERESTING SINCE IT IS A DISASTER AND I HAVE
PERSONALLY WALKED IN THAT BUILDING AND THE RESIDENCE IS
FLOODING.
THE BACK WALL PERMEATES THE WALL.
IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND I BELIEVE ALSO A CLASS ACTION
LAWSUIT.
IN THE MINUTES FROM THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB THAT I WAS ABLE TO
ATTAIN HE ALSO PROMISED WHEN HE WAS BUILDING THAT BUILDING

WHILE HE DESTROYED THE PARK HE WOULD ACTUALLY REPAIR THE
PARK AND MAKE IT ADA COMPLIANT AND HE WALKED AWAY FROM ALL
OF THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES AND LEFT IT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO
DO, WHICH WE ARE DOING.
I AM FOR YOU TO CONSIDER WHEN THESE PEOPLE MAKE PROMISES TO
YOU THAT THEY DON'T ONLY KEEP THEM, BUT THEY DAMAGE THE
COMMUNITY.
I PERSONALLY WENT OUT AFTER BOTH OF THOSE HURRICANES AND
CLEANED THAT PARK MYSELF.
IT HAD HISTORIC FLOODING OF FOUR FEET OF WATER GOING ALL THE
WAY BACK.
THAT AREA ALREADY FLOODS WITHOUT NEW HIGH-RISES BLOCKING UP
THOSE STREETS AND MAKING IT WORSE.
THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THE WATER TO GO.
THANK YOU.
7:38:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
PAT CIMINO.
TONI EVERETT, LAURA KREITZER.
HELLO, SIR.
THIS IS NOT A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
7:39:01PM >> NO, IT IS NOT.
IT IS MY LETTER.
GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.
I'M PATRICK CIMINO.
I AM THE LAND USE CHAIR OF HISTORIC HYDE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD

ASSOCIATION.
ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD, WHICH THE BOARD VOTED TO SUPPORT THE
POSITION OF THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB AND ASK YOU AND THE OTHER
NEIGHBORS AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND ASK YOU TO
DENY THIS REZONING AND LAND USE CHANGE AS AN UNREASONABLE
INCREASE IN DENSITY FOR THE ABOVE REFERENCED CASE AND OUT OF
CHARACTER WITH THE ADJACENT GREENSPACE.
THE CITY NEGOTIATED A NONBINDING SETTLEMENT AND I FOUND IT
INTERESTING THAT SOME OF THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS SAID, WELL,
WHO ARE THE PARTIES TO THE SETTLEMENT?
THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER.
WHERE WAS THE COMMUNITY?
SO YOU ALL NOW REPRESENT US.
WE DO GET A SAY, BUT WE WEREN'T IN THAT NEGOTIATION.
BOTH THE SYNAGOGUE AND THE GARDEN CLUB HAVE STORIED
HISTORIES.
I REALLY RESPECT THAT.
BUT ONE ENTITY SHOULD NOT EXPERIENCE HARDSHIP DUE TO THE
ACTIONS OF ANOTHER ENTITY.
THIS I WOULD CALL IT A HIGH-RISE DOES THAT TO THE GARDEN
CLUB AND ITS VENUE SITE, ESPECIALLY THE WEDDING SITE.
HISTORIC BALLPARK, THE GARDEN CLUB AND EVEN THE GROUNDS OF
THE SYNAGOGUE INCLUDE PROBABLY THE LARGEST REMAINING SWATCH
OF GREENERY ON BAYSHORE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A HIGH-RISE RIGHT
ON BAYSHORE.

BECAUSE, YEAH, THE EXAMPLES THEY ARE SHOWING OF NEARBY
HIGH-RISES AREN'T ON BAYSHORE.
THEY ARE SET BACK.
PLANNING, WHICH WASN'T MENTIONED IN THE CITY REPORT,
UNFORTUNATELY AND ALREADY POINTED OUT, DEEMED THIS AN
INCONSISTENT AREA BECAUSE IT IS IN A COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
AREA AND VERY SHORTSIGHTED NOT TO LOOK AT THAT.
AND IF ANYTHING, THE SCHOOL AND THE SYNAGOGUE HAVE
FUNCTIONED WITHIN THEIR ENTITLEMENT.
SO THEY ARE NOT REALLY -- YOU ALL CAN SAY NO HERE.
IF THEY WANT TO CHANGE, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO DEVELOPMENT BUT
MAKE IT REASONABLE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S STILL A VERY LARGE-SCALE, MASSIVE STRUCTURE THAT YOU
LOOK AT FROM THE WEDDING GARDEN.
AS I MENTIONED, THE CITY COUNCIL IS UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO
CHANGE THIS, BUT THE PETITIONER'S NEED TO COME FORTH WITH A
REASONABLE PROPOSAL FOR THIS AREA.
HEIGHT, MASS, DENSITY, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SAY AND TRY TO
PRESERVE OUR LITTLE FRINGE OF HISTORIC GREENSPACE IN TAMPA.
I'M GOING TO GO A LITTLE BIT OFF MY SCRIPT BECAUSE THERE'S
BEEN MENTION OF WALKABILITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WELL, HISTORIC DISTRICTS AS PRESERVE THE BURG HAVE SHOWN ARE
SOME OF THE MOST DENSELY POPULATED AREAS IN THE CITY.
I WOULD ARGUE WE PROBABLY ARE TOO.
WE HAVE MID AND HIGH-RISES AS WELL, BUT WE ARE WALKABLE

BECAUSE WE HAVE NICE SIDEWALKS AND WE HAVE GREENERY AND WE
HAVE PARKS, A LOT OF WHICH WE MAINTAIN.
SO I URGE YOU, PRESERVE THIS AREA.
IT'S SPECIAL.
VOTE AGAINST THIS REZONING.
7:42:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
TONY EVERETT.
LAURA KREITZER.
GINALUCCA MORELLO.
GOOD EVENING, MA'AM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND IF YOU HAVE A NUMBER, PLEASE DROP
IT IN THE BASKET.
7:42:18PM >> TONI EVERETT.
I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME AND WAS BORN AND RAISED
HERE.
FROM BAY TO BAY TO THE DIPLOMAT, IT WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED
HIGH-RISE.
THE FACT THAT SOMETHING ELSE WAS BUILT THERE IS FINE, BUT
THERE WAS NO HEIGHT RESTRICTION CAPPED ON THAT.
ALSO, IN THE RECENT MONTHS SINCE THE STORM, BOTH OF THOSE
STORMS, I HAVE HAD AN INFLUX OF PEOPLE THAT WANT CONDOS.
SO THERE IS A NEED FOR MORE CONDOS.
WE'VE HAD IMMEDIATELY PEOPLE MOVING IN AND BUYING CONDOS AND
THEN --
7:43:16PM >> [SHOUTING FROM THE AUDIENCE]

7:43:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MA'AM, YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER.
7:43:21PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, THERE NEEDS TO BE
SANCTIONS ON THIS.
I DON'T CARE HOW POLITICALLY CONNECTED THAT PERSON IS, THAT
IS INAPPROPRIATE.
7:43:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ABSOLUTELY.
7:43:33PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THAT IS INAPPROPRIATE.
7:43:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'M SORRY FOR THE INTERRUPTION.
PLEASE TAKE AN EXTRA MINUTES.
7:43:44PM >> LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE MOVING IN CONDOS FOR RENT AND TO BUY
SINCE THE STORM.
THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR HOUSES FLOODING WHEN THEY ARE
AWAY, SO THEY HAVE DECIDED TO MOVE IN CONDOS AND I THINK
THAT WE NEED MORE.
7:44:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS LAURA KREITZER, GINALUCCA MORELLO.
7:44:28PM >> GOOD EVENING.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS
PROJECT.
7:44:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
7:44:35PM >> YES, MY NAME IS LAURA KREITZER.
AND UNLIKE MY FRIENDS DR. MARCADIS AND DR. BAKER, I WAS NOT
BORN INTO THIS CONGREGATION, BUT I HAVE ALSO SERVED AS ITS
PRESIDENT.
IN 1974, UNCLE SAM DECIDED THAT OUR FAMILY SHOULD RELOCATE

TO TAMPA, FLORIDA.
MY HUSBAND SERVED AT MacDILL, AND WE BECAME MEMBERS OF
CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM ALMOST IMMEDIATELY WITHIN THE
FIRST COUPLE OF MONTHS.
WE WERE REALLY HAPPY TO HAVE A CONSERVATIVE SYNAGOGUE
AVAILABLE TO US.
7:45:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
EVERYBODY.
THANK YOU.
YES, MA'AM.
7:45:23PM >> IT HAS BEEN PART OF OUR LIVES FOR 50 YEARS.
WE ARE REGULAR CONGREGANTS.
WE HAVE CELEBRATED MANY LIFE CYCLE EVENTS AT RODEPH SHALOM.
AND EVEN THOUGH WE ARE NO LONGER YOUNG, OUR CONGREGATION IS
STILL VIBRANT.
IT IS STILL ALIVE.
AND TO RISK THE POSSIBILITY OF NOT HAVING A FLOURISHING
CONSERVATIVE CONGREGATION IN SOUTH TAMPA WOULD BE A
TREMENDOUS LOSS.
WE COULD HAVE MOVED ANYWHERE AFTER MY HUSBAND FINISHED HIS
TRAINING, BUT BECAUSE OF OUR TIES TO THE SYNAGOGUE, TO THE
COMMUNITY THAT WAS DEVELOPING IN THE 1970s AND 1980s
UNTIL NOW, WE DECIDED WE WOULD MAKE THIS OUR HOME.
MY HUSBAND PRACTICED MEDICINE HERE FOR 44 YEARS.
I WOULD HOPE THAT ANY YOUNG FAMILY, ANY YOUNG JEWISH FAMILY

LOOKING FOR A GOOD COMMUNITY WOULD CONSIDER SOUTH TAMPA
BECAUSE RODEPH SHALOM IS THERE.
THANK YOU.
7:46:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GINALUCCA MORELLO WHO HAS A SPEAKER
WAIVER FORM.
7:47:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THERE ARE ALL THESE SIDEBARS GOING ON.
IF WE ARE GOING TO SANCTION THE PERSON, WE SHOULD DO IT NOW
INSTEAD OF HAVING THE SIDEBARS.
7:47:16PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
LET ME STOP FOR A MINUTE, MR. CHAIRMAN AND
MAKE THE COMMENTS, PLEASE, FOR THE RECORD.
I'M GOING TO BRING TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION ITS RULES OF
PROCEDURE, BRING TO THE PUBLIC'S ATTENTION THE RULES OF
PROCEDURE.
RULE 5F, SPEAKERS SHALL REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR,
INCLUDING MAKING VULGAR OR THREATENING REMARKS AND SHALL
REMAIN FROM MAKING PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST ANY CITY
OFFICIAL, CITY STAFF MEMBER OR MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.
COMMENTS SHALL BE DIRECTED TO THIS COUNCIL AS A BODY AND NOT
TO INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS.
G NO ONE PRESENT DURING A COUNCIL MEETING SHALL ENGAGE IN
DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING INTENTIONALLY MAKING OR
CAUSING TO BE MADE ANY DISRUPTIVE NOISE OR SOUND OR
DISPLAYING SIGNS OR GRAPHICS IN A MANNER DISRUPTIVE TO THE

PROCEEDING.
H, THE CHAIR SHALL RULE OUT OF ORDER ANY MEMBER OF THE
PUBLIC WHO SHALL SPEAK WITHOUT BEING RECOGNIZED OR WHO SHALL
ADDRESS COUNCIL, NOT ADDRESS COUNCIL FROM THE PODIUM OR
OTHER ESTABLISHED SPEAKER AREA.
NO PERSON SHALL APPROACH THE DAIS OF THE CITY COUNCIL DURING
MEETINGS EXCEPT COUNCIL MEMBERS AND EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY
UNLESS INVITED BY A MEMBER OF COUNCIL.
I, ALL PERSONS SHALL AT ALL TIMES SHALL CONDUCT THEMSELVES
IN ACCORDANCE WITH COUNCIL'S RULES.
PERSONS FAILING TO DO SO SHALL BE RULED OUT OF ORDER AND MAY
BE DIRECTED BY THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR TO BE REMOVED
FROM THE COUNCIL CHAMBER.
SUCH PERSON SHALL NOT THEREAFTER BE READMITTED TO THE
COUNCIL CHAMBER OR CITY HALL DURING THE REMAINDER OF THE
DAY'S MEETING.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
7:48:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AS YOU SAW, SOMEBODY CAME IN HERE AND
INTERRUPTED, COMPLETELY OUT OF ORDER.
I FIND IT COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY DISRESPECTFUL.
YOU READ THE RULES.
THEREFORE I DON'T THINK THAT PERSON SHOULD BE ADMITTED
ANYMORE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS MEETING.
I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN ALMOST TEN YEARS HERE.
7:49:11PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SECOND.

IT'S FOLLOWING THE RULES ANYWAY, BUT IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A
MOTION.
7:49:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I RULE THAT PERSON OUT OF ORDER FOR WHAT
WAS WITNESSED HERE A FEW MINUTES AGO.
WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
I RULE THAT PERSON OUT OF ORDER AS EVERYBODY WITNESSED HERE.
7:49:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
7:49:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
7:49:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AGAIN, MY APOLOGIES, COUNCIL, FOR A
SIDEBAR.
I APPRECIATE THE COMMENT OF BEING ABLE TO STATE THE RULES
PUBLICLY.
MR. MORELLO HAS THREE NAMES.
SCOTT DISTACIO, DAVID DONAT AND DONNA DONAT.
THREE ADDITIONAL MINUTES FOR A TOTAL OF 6.
7:49:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SIR, AFTER YOU SPEAK, WE'LL TAKE A QUICK
FIVE-MINUTE RECESS.
WE HAVE TWO MORE SPEAKERS AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE A
LONGER RECESS BECAUSE WE HAVE 48 MORE PEOPLE DOWN STAIRS WE
NEED TO BRING UP.
7:50:12PM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MY NAME IS GINALUCCA MORELLO.
PRESIDENT OF THE ALTURA BAYSHORE CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE TIME TO SPEAK TO YOU THIS

EVENING.
A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ALTURA, WHILE THE ALTURA IS A NEW
HIGH-RISE BUILDING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE ARE SET BACK ONE
BLOCK OFF BAYSHORE TO THE WEST AND WE ARE BUILT RIGHT UP
AGAINST THE CROSSTOWN EXPRESSWAY.
OUR DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES A SECOND GARAGE THAT WAS BUILT FOR
GUESTS OF THE BAYSHORE GARDENS COMMERCIAL SITE WHICH HOUSES
SEVERAL RESTAURANTS.
THIS PROVIDES A NICE BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT
KEEPS ALL OF THE RESTAURANT TRAFFIC PARKED IN THE CONFINED
AREA BEHIND OUR BUILDING AND DOES NOT ALLOW IT TO SPREAD
ACROSS THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
OUR BUILDING IS CATTY-CORNER TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
ALTURA WILL BE SPECIALLY IMPACTED BY THE PROPOSED
DEVELOPMENT IN A NUMBER OF WAYS.
I'LL BRIEFLY ADDRESS JUST A FEW.
FIRST, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE
SURROUNDINGS.
I HAVE SOMETHING ON THE ELMO TO SHOW THE CORRIDOR OR
GREENSPACE --
7:51:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT WILL COME UP IN JUST A MOMENT.
THERE IT IS, SIR.
GO AHEAD.
7:51:19PM >> THAT WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING.
IT STRETCHES -- ALTURA STANDS ON THE WESTERN PERIMETER OF

THE THREE-BLOCK CORRIDOR OF GREENSPACE AND LOW-RISE
STRUCTURES DIRECTLY ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
THE CORRIDOR RUNS NORTH FROM BAY TO BAY ALL THE WAY UP TO
THE SANCTUARY CONDO BUILDING WHICH IS NORTH OF THE FRED BALL
PARK.
THE STRUCTURES IN THIS CORRIDOR ARE LIMITED TO TWO STORIES
SMALL OFFICE STRUCTURE, WOMEN'S CLUB, GARDEN CLUB, TWO
COLLECTIONS OF TOWNHOMES WITH GREENSPACE AROUND THEM, THE
BAYSHORE 2713 BAYSHORE PROPERTY AND FRED BALL PARK.
THIS IS A PANORAMIC OF THAT CORRIDOR.
AS YOU CAN TELL, THIS CORRIDOR CREATES A NICE SERENE AND
TRANQUIL AREA THAT EVERY ALTURA RESIDENT EXPERIENCES WHEN
THEY EXIT THE BUILDING.
THIS INCLUDES MY FAMILY AND MANY OTHER DOG OWNERS IN THE
BUILDING TO ROUTINELY STROLL UP AND DOWN THE STREETS OF THAT
AREA WALKING OUR DOGS MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY.
FORCING A 16 STORY TOWER WITH A SEPARATE GARAGE STRUCTURE
AND LARGE FOOTPRINT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT CORRIDOR IS
COMPLETELY INCONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.
THIS WILL DETRIMENTALLY IMPACT ALL OF ALTURA'S RESIDENTS AS
WELL AS THE NEIGHBORS.
THE SECOND I WANT TO ADDRESS IS THE FLOODING.
THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS SURE TO IMPACT ALTURA IN THIS WAY,
TOO.
THE AREA EXPERIENCED SEVERE FLOODING DURING HURRICANE

HELENE.
THIS IS A SCREEN SHOT FROM A VIDEO FROM ALTURA DURING THE
HURRICANE.
THIS WAS TAKEN IN FRONT OF 2713 BAYSHORE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE WATER LEVEL IS AS HIGH AS THE TOP OF THE
BALUSTRADE ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD AND THE WAVES ARE BREAKING
ON THE BAYSHORE ITSELF.
THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE SYNAGOGUE'S PARKING LOT.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS A SCREEN SHOT FROM THE SAME VIDEO.
THE PARKING LOT IS UNDERWATER.
IF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS BUILT, IT'S A NO-BRAINER THE
NEXT TIME THIS TYPE OF FLOODWATER HAPPENS ALL OF THE WATER
WILL BE PUSHED IN OTHER DIRECTIONS TOWARD THE ALTURA AND
OTHER SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
AS YOU CAN TELL AND AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, WE ARE VERY
CONCERNED ABOUT THE FUTURE IMPACT OF THE FLOODING IN THE
AREA.
THIRD, I WOULD LIKE TO BRIEFLY ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC.
IN THE RECORD THERE IS A MEMORANDUM PROVIDED BY OUR TRAFFIC
EXPERT.
ALL OF ALTURA'S RESIDENTS EXPERIENCE QUEUING AT PEAK HOURS
WHEN WE DRIVE SOUTHBOUND ON YSABELLA TOWARDS BAY TO BAY.
DURING THE 24 HOURS THAT THE ENGINEER STUDIED THE SPACE, HE
FOUND QUEUING OF UP TO IN EXCESS OF 300 FEET.
SO THAT IS A FOOTBALL FIELD.

ADDING THE 38 UNITS AND ALL OF THEIR CARS WILL EXACERBATE
THAT SITUATION.
THE SAME THING WITH CUT-THRU TRAFFIC THAT JANE, OUR LAWYER,
PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED.
IN THE PEAK HOURS, THE PEAK FOUR HOURS, INCLUDING THE
MORNING AND THE AFTERNOON OF THE DAY THAT THE ENGINEER WAS
THERE, HE OBSERVED 82 CUT-THRUS ONLY THROUGH THE BARCELONA
STREET RIGHT NEXT TO THE PROPERTY THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF
THIS HEARING.
OBVIOUSLY, WE ARE ALREADY EXPERIENCING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT
OF CONGESTION AND TRAFFIC ON THE STREET AND THE PROJECT WILL
EXACERBATE THE ENTIRE SITUATION.
THE ALTURA IS NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE AGAINST DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL SPECIALLY IMPACT US AND,
OF COURSE, OUR ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.
DROPPING A 16-STORY TOWER WITH 38 UNITS AND A SEPARATE
GARAGE STRUCTURE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CORRIDOR IN A
PROPERTY THAT'S PLANNED FOR UP TO 8 STORIES WILL UNDOUBTEDLY
ADVERSELY IMPACT ALL OF US IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.
I URGE YOU NOT TO DESTROY THE WONDERFUL CORRIDOR BY ALLOWING
THIS PROJECT.
THE LAST THING I WOULD LIKE TO BRIEFLY MENTION IS A LETTER
WE RECEIVED THIS MORNING FROM THE DEVELOPER'S LAWYERS THAT
JANE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED.
THE LETTER THREATENS THAT IF WE, ALTURA, CONTINUES ARGUING

THAT THIS PROJECT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN, THAT OUR BUILDING COULD BE SUBJECT TO DEMOLITION.
THE LETTER CITES AND WE RECEIVED THIS THIS MORNING.
THE LETTER CITES A LEGAL CASE THAT DOES NOT SUPPORT THEIR
PROPOSITION AT ALL.
IT'S CLEAR THIS LETTER WAS MEANT TO INTIMIDATE US FROM
SPEAKING UP TONIGHT AND IN GENERAL AGAINST THIS PROJECT.
THESE SORTS OF TACTICS SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED IN ANY WAY.
NOBODY WANTS DEVELOPERS THAT USE THESE UNETHICAL PRACTICES
IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND WE DON'T AND SHOULDN'T HAVE THEM
IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
7:56:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE'LL TAKE A QUICK FIVE-MINUTE RECESS.
WE HAVE TWO MORE SPEAKERS, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A LONGER
RECESS BECAUSE WE HAVE 48 MORE PEOPLE DOWN STAIRS.
WE'RE IN RECESS.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
[RECESS]
8:06:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL MEETING BACK TO ORDER.
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
8:06:36PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
8:06:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
8:06:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
8:06:39PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PRESENT.

8:06:40PM >> VIERA?
MIRANDA?
8:06:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
8:06:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
8:06:44PM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
8:06:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE TWO MORE SPEAKERS.
THEN WE'LL TAKE A 15-MINUTE RECESS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET IN
ANOTHER 48 PEOPLE, PEOPLE THAT HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN THAT ARE
NOT PART OF THE LEGAL TEAM HERE, PLEASE STEP OUT OF THE
ROOM.
YOU CAN GO DOWN TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET THE OTHER PEOPLE UP HERE.
8:07:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE, COUNCIL MEMBERS,
STAFF, THAT THE CHAMBER NEXT DOOR IS NOT SOUNDPROOF.
SO IF YOU GO THERE TO SPEAK, PLEASE KEEP YOUR VOICES DOWN
BECAUSE WE CAN STILL HEAR YOU AND THEN WE CAN'T HEAR THE
SPEAKERS.
8:07:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
JONATHAN MOORE IS OUR NEXT SPEAKER
FOLLOWED BY CARROLL ANN BENNETT WHO HAS SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
AFTER CARROLL ANN BENNETT, WE'LL DO THE 15-MINUTE RECESS TO
BRING THE NEW FOLKS UP FROM DOWNSTAIRS.
GOOD EVENING, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
8:07:34PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILMEN AND WOMEN.
JONATHAN MOORE.
1501 WEST CLEVELAND, TAMPA, FLORIDA.

THANKS FOR LISTENING TO ALL OF US TONIGHT.
I'M PRESIDENT OF ENVISION ADVISORS, LOCAL OWNERS
REPRESENTATIVE FIRM.
I COME BEFORE YOU ON MANY REZONES.
I RECEIVED APPROVALS.
I'VE RECEIVED DISAPPROVALS.
CITY STAFF DOES A GREAT JOB ANALYZING PROJECTS AND I THINK
THEY HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB FINDING CONSISTENCIES IN
RELATED'S REVISED PLANS.
I FEEL THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS SMART DEVELOPMENT.
GOOD FOR TAMPA AND RIGHT FOR THIS SITE.
THERE'S LOTS OF TALK ABOUT FUTURE LAND USE, AND I DO BELIEVE
THAT EVENTUALLY A HIGH-RISE WILL BE ON THIS SITE.
GOD FORBID THIS PROJECT BE DENIED AND RODEPH FORCED TO MOVE
IN A HIGHER DENSER PROJECT COME BEFORE YOU AND THE
COMMUNITY.
SO WE TALK A LOT ABOUT COMMUNITY SUPPORT, WORKING AROUND
TREES, MONITORING DENSITY, SUSTAINABLE GROWTH.
I BELIEVE THIS IS ALL OF THOSE.
I WAS PRESENT FOR THE OTHER HEARINGS.
I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT LISTENED TO WHAT STAFF SAID.
THEY WENT BACK.
THEY REDUCED THE DENSITIES.
THEY MADE THE BUILDING SHORTER.
THEY REALLY TRIED TO PRESERVE THE RELIGIOUS FACILITY USE AND

THE MULTIFAMILY USE ON THE SAME SITE.
IT'S AN INNOVATIVE USE OF PROPERTY.
I THINK ONE THAT THE CITY SHOULD TAKE NOTE OF AND TRY AND
FIND OTHER COMPLEMENTARY USES, OTHER SITES THAT COULD HAVE
THESE TYPES OF COMPLEMENTARY USES.
I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF CITY COUNCIL FOR TAKING THE TIME TO
PROPERLY MANAGE AND APPROVE THESE TYPES OF REQUESTS.
IT'S A REALLY LONG NIGHT, A HEAVY LIFT.
I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU.
I AM PROUD TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO
THE SAME.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
8:09:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
CARROLL ANN BENNETT HAS A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
MR. SHELBY WILL READ OFF THE NAMES.
8:09:57PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
MARY DAVIS.
CARLA KELLY.
ELAINE.
RANDY WESTBAY.
MICHAEL FANNING.
SEVEN NAMES FOR A TOTAL OF TEN PLEASE.
8:10:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
8:10:13PM >> MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.

I AM A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF SOUTH TAMPA.
I'M GOING TO BOTTOM LINE THIS FOR YOU.
THE REASON WE'RE HERE TODAY FOR THE FOURTH TIME IS BECAUSE
THE APPLICANT FAILED TO GET A PLAN AMENDMENT.
THAT IS THE WHOLE STORY.
THEY ARE TRYING TO HIDE THEIR LACK OF A PLAN AMENDMENT
BEHIND A PD.
THE COMP PLAN AND CITY CODE PROHIBIT USING A PD TO
CIRCUMVENT LAND USE.
PDS ARE ONLY APPROPRIATE WHEN NO ZONING DISTRICT WILL WORK.
I WILL SUMMARIZE MY CITATIONS TO SAVE TIME.
LU POLICY 8.14.2 SAYS EACH LAND USE SHALL HAVE PERMITTED
ZONING.
ZONING NOT IN THE TABLE SHALL NOT BE APPLIED FOR NOR
APPROVED.
LU POLICY 8.14.3, PDs ARE NOT TO BE USED FOR THE SOLE
PURPOSE OF WAIVING LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
LU OBJECTIVE 2.1, REGULATE BUILDING INTENSITY TO THE LAND
USE DESIGNATION.
THE HIGHEST ZONING ALLOWED IN THIS LAND USE IS RM 24.
SECTION 27-227, PD BUILDING HEIGHT SHALL BE DESIGNED USING
TABLE 4.2 AS A GUIDELINE.
THIS IS TABLE 4.2.
AS THE PREVIOUS EXPERT PROVED, THE GUIDELINE SAYS THE
TALLEST BUILDING ALLOWED IN THE SYNAGOGUE'S LAND USE IS 60

FEET.
SECTION 27-136, THE PURPOSE OF PDs IS TO RECOGNIZE UNIQUE
CONDITIONS ALLOW DESIGN FLEXIBILITY AND PROMOTE STRUCTURES
WHICH OTHER ZONING CANNOT ACCOMMODATE AND TO ALLOW A
DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD NOT BE PROVIDED BY OTHER ZONING.
YOU DON'T NEED A PD TO BUILD A 16 STORY, 190-FOOT BUILDING.
RM 50 AND RM 75 ZONING ALLOWS THAT SIZE.
THEIR PROBLEM IS THAT THOSE ZONES ARE NOT ALLOWED IN R 35
LAND USE.
THEY ARE ONLY ALLOWED IN LAND USE R 83.
THEY APPLIED FOR A PLAN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THEIR LAND USE
FROM R 35 TO R 83 BUT IT WASN'T APPROVED.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOUND IT INCONSISTENT AND THE
SYNAGOGUE AND THE RELATED GROUP WITHDREW THEIR REQUEST.
THAT WAS THE FIRST MEETING.
THE CITY UNDERSTANDS THAT SOMETIMES PEOPLE WANT TO INCREASE
THEIR ENTITLEMENTS.
THE CITY KNOWS INCREASING ENTITLEMENTS IS SOMETIMES GOOD AND
SOMETIMES BAD.
SO THEY HAVE A PROCEDURE TO DECIDE IF A REQUEST IS
BENEFICIAL OR HARMFUL.
THE SYNAGOGUE AND RELATED USED THAT PROCEDURE BUT THEY DID
NOT SUCCEED.
THEY FAILED TO CHANGE THE LAND USE FROM R 35 TO R 83, BUT
THEY WON'T ACCEPT IT.

THE SYNAGOGUE WON'T ACCEPT THAT THEY OWN MEDIUM DENSITY R 35
PROPERTY AND THEIR PARKING LOT IS WORTH A LOT LESS THAN HIGH
DENSITY R 83.
THE RELATED GROUP WON'T ACCEPT THEY CAN ONLY BUILD MEDIUM
DENSITY R 35 ON THIS PARKING LOT AND IF THEY WANT HIGH
DENSITY R 83, LUXURY CONDOS THEY MUST BUY A DIFFERENT
PROPERTY.
WE ARE HERE FOR THE FOURTH TIME BECAUSE PEOPLE WON'T ACCEPT
REALITY.
I WISH I COULD SELL MY HOUSE FOR A BEACHFRONT PRICE, BUT I
MUST ACCEPT THE REALITY THAT MY HOUSE IS NOT BEACHFRONT
PROPERTY.
THE SYNAGOGUE WOULD LOVE TO SELL THEIR PARKING LOT FOR A
HIGH DENSITY PRICE, BUT THEY MUST ACCEPT THE REALITY THAT
IT'S NOT HIGH DENSITY LAND, PRETENDING DOESN'T MAKE IT SO.
THEIR LAWSUIT SAYS THEY LOST $7,285,000 IN VALUE.
A REALITY CHECK SAYS YOU CAN'T LOSE WHAT YOU NEVER HAD.
THEIR MEDIUM DENSITY LAND HAS NEVER BEEN WORTH THAT MUCH.
THE LAWSUIT AMOUNTS TO THE SYNAGOGUE HOPING AND PRETENDING
THEY CAN GET A HIGH DENSITY PRICE.
THEY ARE ATTEMPTING A SLEIGHT OF HAND MAGIC TRICK BY ASKING
FOR A PD WHICH HAS NO HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS TO DISTRACT FROM
THEIR LACK OF A PLAN AMENDMENT.
THEIR STRATEGY IS TO PRESENT THEIR HIGH DENSITY DREAM AND
ASK FOR TWICE THE HEIGHT OF THEIR MEDIUM DENSITY REALITY.

BY THE WAY, STAFF SPECIFICALLY SAID IN AN E-MAIL THAT THEY
DO NOT DETERMINE IF HEIGHT IS CONSISTENT IN A PD.
THEY ONLY DETERMINE IF THE DENSITY IS CONSISTENT.
THE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ALLOW 190-FOOT BUILDINGS ARE NOT
ALLOWED IN R 35.
R 35 IS INTENDED TO HAVE 60-FOOT MAXIMUM HEIGHT.
R 35 IS INTENDED TO HAVE UP TO 8 STORIES.
THAT'S WHY THERE IS NOTHING BIGGER THAN 8 STORIES ON ANY R
35 PROPERTY IN THE ENTIRE SOUTH TAMPA DISTRICT.
IF YOU APPROVE THIS ENORMOUS COMPROMISE YOU ARE CHANGING
WHAT CAN BE BUILT IN R 35 THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
IF THAT'S WHAT YOU REALLY WANT TO DO, THEN YOU NEED TO MAKE
THAT CHANGE PROPERLY.
YOU NEED TO AMEND R 35 AND VOTE THE COMP PLAN AND THE
DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THE RELATED GROUP SAYS THEY CAN'T MAKE A PROFIT BUILDING 42
UNITS IN AN EIGHT STORY BUILDING.
IN OTHER WORDS THEY CAN'T MAKE A PROFIT BUILDING A MEDIUM
DENSITY PROJECT.
WELL, OF COURSE, THEY CAN'T.
THAT'S BECAUSE THEY ARE BUYING THE LAND AT A HIGH DENSITY
PRICE.
EVERYBODY NEEDS A REALITY CHECK.
THIS LAND IS NOT R 50.
IT'S NOT R 83.

IT IS R 35, JUST LIKE MY HOUSE IS NOT BEACHFRONT.
WISHES DON'T CHANGE LAND USE.
PLAN AMENDMENTS DO.
IN REALITY, WHAT THEY LOST WAS ONLY THE HOPE THAT THEY WOULD
GET A WINDFALL THROUGH A VERY VALUABLE PLAN AMENDMENT, BUT
YOU DON'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU HOPE FOR AND YOU AREN'T
AWARDED SETTLEMENT MONEY FOR YOUR HOPES.
THIS SO-CALLED COMPROMISE IS A JOKE.
IF MY TEENAGER ASKED FOR $500 TO GO OUT WITH HIS FRIENDS, I
WOULD LAUGH IN HIS FACE.
IF HE CAME BACK WITH A COMPROMISE SAYING HE ONLY NEEDS $250,
I'M NOT GOING TO SAY, WOW, YOU REALLY GAVE UP A LOT, YOU
TRIED HARD TO WORK WITH ME AND LOWER YOUR NEEDS, HERE'S 250
BUCKS, NICE TRY, BUT I'M NOT A FOOL.
ASKING FOR THE MOON AND THE STARS IS JUST A TACTIC TO MAKE
THEM LOOK REASONABLE WHEN THEY TURN AROUND AND ASK ONLY FOR
THE MOON.
MAKE NO MISTAKE THIS COMPROMISE IS ASKING FOR THE MOON.
IT'S ASKING FOR TWICE THE R 35 HEIGHT.
IF YOU REWARD THAT STRATEGY, I GUARANTEE YOU'LL BE FLOODED
WITH OUTRAGEOUS DEMANDS LIKE THIS ONE AND YOU'LL NEED TO PUT
A COT IN YOUR OFFICES.
I HAVE GIVEN YOU RELATED'S OWN EVIDENCE OF COMPARABLE
BUILDINGS BUT THEY ARE NOT COMPARABLE.
THEY ALL HAVE A HIGHER LAND USE.

NOT EVEN ONE OF THEM IS R 35.
IN FACT, THE ONLY R 35 ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD IS BAYSHORE
TRACE APARTMENTS.
THOSE APARTMENTS ARE ONLY THREE STORIES HIGH.
IF RELATED BUILDS THE 8 STORIES THEY ARE ALLOWED, THEY WILL
STILL BE BUILDING THE TALLEST R 35 BUILDING IN THE SOUTH
TAMPA DISTRICT.
THE COMP PLAN REPEATEDLY SAYS CHARACTER OF A NEIGHBORHOOD IS
THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
STAFF REPORT SAYS THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IS 14
UNITS PER ACRE IN R 35.
THIS PROJECT IS 26 UNITS PER ACRE.
THE STAFF REPORT ALSO SAYS THAT EVEN IN THE NEARBY R 83, THE
EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IS ONLY 16 UNITS PER ACRE.
THIS COMMUNITY IS TELLING YOU THAT THEY WILL ACCEPT DOUBLE
THE NORMAL DENSITY IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE BURDEN OF DOUBLE
THE HEIGHT TOO.
ZONING AND LAND USE MATRIX ON PAGE 114 OF THE COMP PLAN SAYS
LAND USE IS AN UMBRELLA AND UNDERNEATH THAT UMBRELLA ARE THE
COMPATIBLE ZONINGS.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE LAND USE MATRIX SHOWS THAT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL
ZONING IS NOT PERMITTED IN R-10.
THEY MUST FIRST CHANGE THE LAND USE TO A CATEGORY THAT WOULD
PERMIT IT THROUGH A PLAN AMENDMENT.
IF THE PLAN AMENDMENT IS SUCCESSFUL, THEN THEY CAN APPLY FOR

A REZONING TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
THEIR REQUEST FOR A PLAN AMENDMENT WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL.
IT ALSO SAYS WHILE MOST PLAN CATEGORIES PERMIT THE
CONSIDERATION OF PDs, THE ZONING WILL SERVE AS GUIDELINES
FOR SUCH PROJECTS.
THE ZONING GUIDELINE FOR R 35 IS 60 FEET.
LU POLICY 9.8.3, MODERATE DENSITY ALLOWS FOR MULTIFAMILY
WALK-UP APARTMENTS.
THESE BUILDINGS SHOULD BE DESIGNED WITH HEIGHT LIMITS THAT
PROMOTE A STRONG RELATIONSHIP WITH THE GROUND LEVEL.
THERE'S NO WAY THEY ARE BUILDING 16 STORY WALK-UPS.
I'LL WAGER THIS BUILDING HAS ELEVATORS.
OUR CITY CODE'S DEFINITION OF COMPATIBILITY SAYS ELEMENTS
AFFECTING COMPATIBILITY INCLUDE HEIGHT, SCALE, MASS, AND
BULK OF STRUCTURES.
THE HEIGHT, SCALE, MASS AND BULK OF THIS PROJECT IS NOT
COMPATIBLE WITH R 35 OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE CURRENT LANDOWNER'S FINANCIAL HOPES AND DREAMS ARE NOT
COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
THEY ARE IRRELEVANT TO THIS HEARING AND YOU CANNOT LEGALLY
CONSIDER THEM.
THIS PD IS LIKE PLAYING A CARD GAME WHEN THE JOKERS ARE WILD
BUT THEY WANT AN ENTIRE HAND OF JOKERS.
ASKING FOR MORE THAN YOU ARE ENTITLED TO IS NOT A
COMPROMISE.

ASKING FOR TOO MUCH IS NOT A COMPROMISE.
ENOUGH WITH THE PDs, ENOUGH WITH INCREASING DENSITY IN THE
CHHA.
I SAY AGAIN THE REASON WE ARE HERE FOR THE FOURTH TIME IS
BECAUSE THE APPLICANT FAILED TO GET A PLAN AMENDMENT.
THAT'S THE WHOLE STORY.
GROW TAMPA RESPONSIBLY.
JUST SAY NO TO STUPID GROWTH.
THANK YOU.
8:19:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
WE'RE IN RECESS FOR 15 MINUTES. IF YOU HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN,
IF YOU WOULD PLEASE GO OUT TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
WE HAVE MONITORS AND AUDIO DOWN THERE.
YOU CAN CONTINUE WATCHING THE HEARING.
WE'LL BRING IN ABOUT 48 MORE SPEAKERS.
8:19:42PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BEFORE YOU GO TO RECESS, IF YOU DO HAVE A
NUMBER STILL IN YOUR POSSESSION, PLEASE PUT IT IN THE BASKET
AT THE LECTERN.
8:19:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE'RE IN RECESS FOR 15 MINUTES.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
[RECESS]
8:48:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL BACK TO ORDER.
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

8:48:37PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
8:48:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
8:48:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
8:48:41PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PRESENT.
8:48:45PM >> VIERA?
MIRANDA?
8:48:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
8:48:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
8:48:47PM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
8:48:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, EVERYONE WHO IS
GOING TO SPEAK IS IN THIS ROOM.
WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO TAKE ANY MORE RECESSES.
IF YOU ARE NOT SWORN IN AND PLAN TO SPEAK THIS EVENING,
PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND WE'LL SWEAR YOU
IN.
IF YOU PLAN TO SPEAK, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT
HAND.
[OATH ADMINISTERED]
8:49:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. SHELBY.
8:49:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
IF YOU DO HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM, PLEASE DO BRING IT UP
AND HAND IT TO ME AND I WILL CALL THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE ON
THE LIST.
THEY HAVE TO BE IN THE ROOM.
IF YOU WILL ACKNOWLEDGE WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, THAT WAY YOU

WILL GIVE UP YOUR THREE MINUTES AND GIVE AN EXTRA MINUTE TO
THE SPEAKER.
ALSO, IF YOU HAVE A NUMBER THAT YOU RECEIVED IN ORDER TO
SPEAK, THERE IS A BASKET UP AT THE LECTERN, PLEASE PLACE
THAT IN THE BASKET WHEN YOU GET UP THERE.
THANK YOU.
8:49:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS DAVID RICE FOLLOWED BY ANDRES
KORNWORCEL AND JOEL SIMON.
DAVID RICE.
PLEASE COME UP.
YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM, I BELIEVE.
PLEASE HAND IT TO THE ATTORNEY.
8:50:10PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ONE NAME.
ANASTASIA.
ONE ADDITIONAL MINUTE FOR A TOTAL OF FOUR.
THANK YOU.
8:50:17PM >> THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
IT DOESN'T GO UNNOTICED HOW MUCH TIME YOU PUT INTO ALL THIS.
IT'S GREATLY APPRECIATED.
MY NAME IS DAVID RICE.
I AM A RESIDENT OF ALTURA.
8:50:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD.
8:50:30PM >> THANK YOU.
TO HALT THE DECLINE OF AN ECOSYSTEM, IT'S NECESSARY FOR US

TO THINK LIKE AN ECOSYSTEM.
ICONIC BAYSHORE BOULEVARD, LIKE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS AN
ECOSYSTEM, THE GREATER TAMPA BAY AREA IS AN ECOSYSTEM, WHICH
THOSE THAT DEVELOPED IT UNDERSTOOD WHEN THEY BUILT A
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR TAMPA.
IT'S WHY THEY CREATED IT.
IT'S WHY IT EXISTS.
AND IT'S WHY IT PRIORITIZES SEVERAL THINGS.
FIRST OF WHICH THE PRESERVATION OF HISTORICAL RESOURCES IN
PLACES LIKE THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB.
IT'S THE MAINTAINING OF OUR CITY'S CHARACTER.
WE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE SPEAKING TODAY ABOUT COMINGLING
RESIDENCES OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND TOWN HOUSES AND CONDO
LIVING.
IT'S WHY WHEN IT COMES TO GROWTH IT PRIORITIZES SUSTAINABLE
GROWTH, NOT GROWTH JUST FOR THE SAKE OF GROWTH.
NOT GROWTH FOR THE SAKE OF DOLLARS AND CENTS AT THE EXPENSE
AND COMPROMISE OF THE OTHER TENANTS.
SO EIGHT YEARS AGO, MY MUCH BETTER HALF, ANASTASIA AND I
MOVED TO DOWNTOWN ST. PETE.
AND FOR THE FIRST SEVERAL YEARS WE LIVED THERE, WE
ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT.
IT WAS AN INCREDIBLE PLACE TO BE.
BUT AT SOME POINT IN THAT THREE YEARS COMPROMISE CAME TO THE
ECOSYSTEM AND BUILDING EN MASSE HAPPENED AND IT ENTIRELY

CHANGED THE LANDSCAPE OF DOWNTOWN ST. PETE.
I'LL TELL YOU WE WENT ON TO RESEARCH TAMPA AND TAMPA'S PLAN
BEFORE WE CAME TO MOVE HERE, AND I WOULD CHALLENGE ALL OF
YOU, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO DOWNTOWN ST. PETE IN THE RECENT
PAST TO MAKE A TRIP.
GET OUT OF YOUR CAR.
IF YOU'VE GOT KIDS, BRING YOUR KIDS, WALK THEM AROUND AND
ASK THE RESIDENTS TO STILL REMAIN THERE IF THEY ARE AS HAPPY
TODAY AS THEY WERE FIVE YEARS AGO, SIX YEARS AGO, SEVEN
YEARS AGO.
I PROMISE YOU ON YOUR WAY BACK OVER ANY ONE OF THE BRIDGES
TO GET BACK TO TAMPA WHAT YOU'LL FIND IS YOU'LL HAVE A WHOLE
LOT MORE GRATITUDE FOR WHERE WE ALL RESIDE HERE BECAUSE OF
THE PLAN WE BUILT, BECAUSE OF THE ECOSYSTEM THAT WE
PRESENTLY HAVE.
WHEN WE COMPROMISE THAT ECOSYSTEM, WHEN WE DEVELOP WHERE
THIS PROPOSAL BEGS US TO GO TO BE DEVELOPED, TAKING R 35
PROPERTY AND TURNING IT INTO SOMETHING IT WAS NEVER INTENDED
TO BE, THERE'S NO GOING BACK.
THERE'S NO UNDOING THAT BUILD.
THERE'S NO CHANGING THE LANDSCAPE THAT WE HAVE CHOSEN TO
CREATE.
SO IF YOU FAST-FORWARD TO ANASTASIA AND I COMING HERE AND
OUR LOVE OF TAMPA AND LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT'S BEING
PROPOSED, EVERY CHANGE WE POTENTIALLY MAKE BRINGS RISK AND

THAT RISK IS SIGNIFICANT, ESPECIALLY FOR A HIGH-RISE OF THIS
NATURE AND SCALE WITHOUT REITERATING EVERYTHING EVERYBODY
HAS SPOKEN ABOUT EARLIER.
IT'S GOING TO DAMAGE OUR ECOSYSTEM.
SO I REALLY WON'T REHASH WHAT EVERYBODY SAID.
YOU HEARD THEM.
I KNOW YOUR TIME IS VERY VALUABLE.
I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IN THE WORDS OF SEVERAL OF THE
PROPONENTS FOR THIS PROCESS EARLIER SPOKE, TO NOT LOOK AT
THIS IN A VACUUM.
TO NOT LOOK AT THIS AS A SINGLE BUILDING.
IT'S A PART OF A COMMUNITY.
PART OF AN ECOSYSTEM.
I LOVE, LOVE THE T-SHIRTS THAT SO MANY ARE WEARING TONIGHT.
I LOVE THAT MESSAGE, PRESERVING, HONORING THE PAST BY
PRESERVING THE FUTURE.
THAT HOLDS TRUE FOR ALL OF US AS A COMMUNITY AND AN
ECOSYSTEM, NOT ONE GROUP.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
8:54:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
NEXT UP IS ANDRES KORNWORCEL.
IF YOU HAVE A NUMBER, PLEASE DROP IT IN THE BASKET.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
8:54:13PM >> GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS ANDRES KORNWORCEL.

I AM THE RABBI OF CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM.
LET ME START -- HOW GREAT AND GOOD IT IS FOR BROTHERS AND
SISTERS TO BE TOGETHER EVEN WHEN WE DON'T AGREE ON
EVERYTHING.
I'M HERE TO EXPRESS OUR CONGREGATION'S STRONG SUPPORT FOR
THE PROPOSED PROJECT ON OUR PROPERTY.
THIS PROJECT IS NOT JUST ABOUT A BUILDING.
IT'S ABOUT ENSURING THE FUTURE OF OUR SYNAGOGUE, A
CORNERSTONE OF OUR COMMUNITY FOR DECADES.
THE REVENUE IT WILL GENERATE IS ESSENTIAL TO SUSTAIN OUR
PROGRAMS, SUPPORT OUR FACILITY AND CONTINUE PROVIDING A
SPACE WHERE PEOPLE OF ALL AGES COME TOGETHER TO CELEBRATE,
TO LEARN, AND FIND SPIRITUAL CONNECTION.
VITAL ROLE IN THE COMMUNITY NOT JUST FOR OUR MEMBERS BUT FOR
THE CITY AS A WHOLE.
WE HOST FOOD DRIVES, INTERFAITH PROGRAMS, AND EDUCATIONAL
EVENTS.
WE ARE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE, LIFE'S MOST IMPORTANT
MILESTONES, WEDDINGS, BAR MITZVAH, AND MOMENTS OF COMFORT IN
TIMES OF LOSS.
THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN CAREFULLY PLANNED TO BLEND SEAMLESSLY
INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S A SOLUTION THAT ALLOWS US TO CONTINUE SERVING OUR
COMMUNITY WHILE RESPECTING THE SHARED VALUES OF THIS CITY.
YOUR SUPPORT ENSURES NOT JUST THE SURVIVAL OF OUR SYNAGOGUE,

BUT ALSO THE THRIVING OF A SPACE THAT EMBODIES THE FREEDOM
OF RELIGION AND COMMUNITY SPIRIT WE ALL CHERISH.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
8:55:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
JOEL SIMON.
BERTRAM BAKER, PAMELA CARPENTER.
JOEL SIMON IS NEXT.
HELLO, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
8:56:08PM >> I'M RABBI JOEL SIMON.
I AM THE SENIOR RABBI OF CONGREGATION SCHAARAI ZEDEK,
130-YEAR-OLD CONGREGATION WITH ALMOST 1300 FAMILY MEMBERS.
EVERY OTHER TIME I'VE BEEN SPEAKING HERE, IT'S BEEN GIVING
THE INVOCATION WHERE I DIDN'T HAVE TO WAIT AS LONG TO SPEAK.
BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR GIVING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY
TO SPEAK TONIGHT IN SUPPORT OF CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM
AND THEIR PROPOSED PROJECT.
RODEPH SHALOM IS OUR YOUNGER SISTER CONGREGATION IN A WAY.
I THINK THAT WE AT 130 ARE NINE YEARS OLDER, BUT RODEPH
SHALOM WAS FOUNDED BECAUSE EVEN 121 YEARS AGO, IT WAS
IMPORTANT THAT THERE BE BOTH A REFORM AND CONSERVATIVE
SYNAGOGUE IN OUR SOUTH TAMPA COMMUNITY.
AND 121 YEARS LATER, THAT NEED HAS ONLY GROWN.
SO I'M HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF OUR CONGREGATION'S
LEADERSHIP TO SHARE HOW VITAL WE BELIEVE IT IS THAT RODEPH

SHALOM REMAIN A STRONG JEWISH PRESENCE IN SOUTH TAMPA AT THE
BAYSHORE LOCATION ON WHICH THEY HAVE RESIDED FOR ALMOST SIX
YEARS.
IT'S A PRESENCE THAT IS IMPORTANT TO TAMPA'S ENTIRE JEWISH
COMMUNITY, AND WE HOPE THAT CITY COUNCIL WILL APPROVE THIS
PLAN THAT WILL ALLOW RODEPH SHALOM TO DO SO FOR GENERATIONS
TO COME.
THANK YOU.
8:57:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, RABBI.
BERTRAM BAKER.
GOOD EVENING, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
8:57:42PM >> BERTRAM BAKER.
I'M IN A UNIQUE SITUATION IN THAT I REPRESENT BOTH THE
CONGREGATION AND I ALSO LIVE IN THE APARTMENT BUILDING
ACROSS THE ROAD.
FIRST OF ALL, I MUST COMMEND THE COUNCIL FOR SITTING HERE
DAY AFTER DAY, NIGHT AFTER NIGHT AND LISTEN TO ALL OF THESE
ARGUMENTS, SO MANY OF THEM THAT YOU'VE HEARD TIME AND TIME
AGAIN.
I ONLY SAT HERE FOR TEN HOURS THE FIRST TIME AND I'VE HEARD
THEM ALL.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR TONIGHT THAT YOU
HAVEN'T HEARD BEFORE AS PART OF THE ARGUMENT.
ONE THING I NEED TO TELL YOU, SOME THREE AND A HALF YEARS

AGO WHEN THE BOARD GOT TOGETHER AND REALIZED THE SITUATION
THAT THE CONGREGATION WAS IN, WORD GOT OUT AND THE AMOUNT OF
MONEY THAT WAS BEING OFFERED FOR THAT PROPERTY, IT WOULD
HAVE BEEN THE EASIEST THING IN THE WORLD FOR THE
CONGREGATION TO TAKE THAT MONEY AND RUN AND SOLVE ALL OF
YOUR PROBLEMS, PETTY AS THEY ARE.
THANK YOU.
8:58:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
PAMELA CARPENTER.
VANCE SMITH.
DENNIS LEVINE.
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
8:59:06PM >> PAMELA CARPENTER.
AND I HAVE COPIES.
MAKE SURE YOU START IT FROM THE TOP.
MR. SHELBY.
YES, MA'AM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
8:59:34PM >> PAMELA CARPENTER.
ESSENCE OF THE TIME AS OTHER SPEAKERS HAVE SAID, I'LL
ELIMINATE A COUPLE OF SLIDES, BUT I MADE COPIES FOR YOU ALL
BECAUSE IT IS REDUNDANT INFORMATION.
I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT 24 YEARS IN CROWDER MANOR WHICH IS
RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.
THIS IS THE THIRD TIME THAT I'VE MADE A PRESENTATION.

NEW INFORMATION.
YES, WE HAD SOME STORMS AND, YES, THE STREETS DID FLOOD.
THAT WAS ALWAYS A QUESTION.
WE KNEW WE WERE IN A FLOOD ZONE BUT WAS IT REALLY GOING TO
FLOOD AND IT DID.
THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT LOOKING TOWARDS BAY TO
BAY.
WHEN YOU TURN AROUND, YOU SEE THE HISTORIC HOMES.
THE ONE THAT I HAVE A PICTURE OF ON THE RIGHT IS 104 YEARS
OLD.
LOST ALL ITS TREES IN THE LAST STORM.
THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME SPEAKERS FOLLOWING ME FROM THE
PRESBYTERIAN TOWER THAT WILL ALSO SPEAK THEIR OWN STORY
ABOUT WALKABILITY.
ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HAD IS THAT THE CONSTRUCTION
ZONE COULD ELIMINATE THE ABILITY TO EVEN WALK ON YSABELLA
SAFELY.
I'LL ADDRESS TRAFFIC IN A MINUTE.
JAKE GAVE A PRESENTATION EARLIER ABOUT AN ADDITIONAL
SIDEWALK THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, COUNCIL CAN MAKE SOME ADDITIONS TO THAT
IF THEY SO CHOOSE.
SO A SIDEWALK WOULD BE APPRECIATED IN AN AREA THAT DOESN'T
HAVE ONE RIGHT NOW.
A NEW NUMBER.

I REALIZE THAT WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE PARCEL, BUT
OVER THE YEARS, STARTING FROM THE DEVELOPMENT OF BAY OAKS
AND THE RITZ, I STARTED KEEPING TRACK OF THE TOWERS AND THE
NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL RESIDENCES.
THE NUMBER IS NOW 204.
OCCUPANCY ALTURA HAS HAPPENED SINCE WE WERE HERE LAST TIME
AND EVEN SOME OF THE RITZ PROPERTY.
THERE WILL BE 204 ADDITIONAL RESIDENCES IF YOU JUST GO FROM
SANTIAGO TO RUBIDEAUX.
THERE'S NEVER BEEN A MOBILITY STUDY, NOT EVEN A TRAFFIC
STUDY.
MY REQUEST TO COUNCIL IS THAT YOU LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD
AND REALIZE THAT 204 RESIDENCES IS GOING TO BE I DON'T KNOW
HOW MANY MORE VEHICLES.
THAT'S NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE ONES THAT CUT THROUGH THE
NEIGHBORHOOD ALL THE TIME.
WE REALLY DO NEED TO HAVE A MOBILITY STUDY.
I DIDN'T PLAN THIS BUT A WEEK AGO FRIDAY, BAD ACCIDENT RIGHT
AT BAY TO BAY AND YSABELLA.
THREE TIMES I PUT IN SERVICE REQUESTS TO HAVE A NO LEFT TURN
OR AT LEAST DON'T BLOCK THE INTERSECTION.
I THINK IT'S OVERDUE AND I HOPE THAT WILL HAPPEN.
THE LAST THING I'D LIKE TO MENTION IS THAT, YES, THERE WOULD
HAVE TO BE A TRANSPORTATION STUDY IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO PUT
IN CROSSWALKS AND SIDEWALKS.

I'M HOPING THAT YOU WOULD APPROVE THAT.
IN CONCLUSION, DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO SEE BOTH THE GARDEN
CLUB AND SYNAGOGUE STAY AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE A MOBILITY
STUDY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
9:02:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
VANCE SMITH.
DENNIS LEVINE.
MIKE MECKLEY.
ALL THREE HAVE SPEAKER WAIVER FORMS.
MR. SMITH, IF YOU WOULD GIVE YOUR SPEAKER WAIVER FORM TO THE
ATTORNEY AND HE'LL READ THE NAMES.
9:03:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
TWO NAMES.
CARLA WASH.
CAROL GIKEN.
TOTAL OF FIVE MINUTES.
9:03:32PM >> MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, MY NAME IS
VANCE SMITH.
I LIVE AT 3501 BAYSHORE BOULEVARD HERE IN TAMPA.
I'M A TAMPA NATIVE.
I'VE ENJOYED BAYSHORE FOR MY ENTIRE LIFE.
IT IS THE ONE LAST SPOT WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN UTILIZE
BAYSHORE WITHOUT IMPEDING THE PRIVACY RIGHTS OF OTHER
RESIDENTS ON BAYSHORE.
THIS PROJECT, UNFORTUNATELY, WAS ILL-CONCEIVED FROM THE
MOMENT IT FIRST AROSE.

THE NEED TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE OF A TAMPA
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS IMMEDIATELY RECOGNIZED AND THE
PROJECT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND
REJECTED SOUNDLY.
IT WAS THEN REVISED TO MEET THE FLORIDA LAND USE PLAN R-35
AND REJECTED SOUNDLY TWICE BY THIS COMMISSION BECAUSE OF ITS
IMPROPER COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
TODAY, WE HAVE AN ITERATION WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY AND
SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME AS THE VERY FIRST OPPORTUNITY FOR
THIS PROJECT.
THIS IS THE FIRST ITERATION, AND YOU CAN SEE THE MAIN
BUILDING IS HERE.
OFF TO THE RIGHT IS THE SYNAGOGUE PROPERTY.
AND TODAY WE'RE LOOKING AT ESSENTIALLY AND SUBSTANTIALLY THE
EXACT SAME PROJECT.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE VISIONS THAT WERE DONE BY THE APPLICANT,
RELATED AND THE CONGREGATION, ARE SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET UP IN
THE AIR.
THE REVISIONS THAT WERE MADE WERE THE PUBLIC AND THE
RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY ARE IMPACTED ARE AT THE GROUND
LEVEL, AND THEY ARE SOMEWHAT NO DIFFERENT.
SOMEONE EARLIER TODAY MENTIONED LIPSTICK ON A PIG AND THAT
IS VERY ANALOGOUS TO WHAT WAS DONE HERE.
A FEW TREES WERE ADDED, A COUPLE OF SIDEWALKS REMOVED OR
INCREASED, BUT THERE WAS NOTHING DONE TO CHANGE THE SIZE OF

THIS BUILDING.
THE BOTTOM LINE OF THIS IS THAT THE SIZE, THE SCALE, THE
HEIGHT, AND THE MASSING OF THE FIRST SEVERAL STORIES ARE
GOING TO IMPACT THE RESIDENTS AND THE PUBLIC'S USE OF THE
ONLY GREENSPACE LEFT ON BAYSHORE.
THE R 35 DESIGNATION SUGGESTS 8 STORIES AS THE IDEAL MAXIMUM
HEIGHT.
PERHAPS IT'S NOT MANDATORY, BUT FOR CERTAIN, IT IS NOT AN
ENTITLEMENT THAT ANY DEVELOPER CAN COME ALONG AND SAY, WELL,
IT'S R 35, WE CAN BUILD 8 STORIES BUT WE CAN BUILD WHATEVER
ELSE WE WANT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SAY YOU CAN'T.
THAT'S JUST NOT THE WAY TO LOOK AT A RECOMMENDED PROPOSAL,
RECOMMENDED ACTIVITY BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHO SPENT A
GREAT DEAL OF TIME DEVELOPING PARCELS OF LAND.
THIS PROJECT DOES NOT PROMOTE THE EFFICIENT USE THAT THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROJECTED.
THE ENVIRONMENT IS DIFFERENT.
THE GEOGRAPHY IS DIFFERENT.
AND THE USE THAT IS BEING MADE OF THIS PROPERTY IS DIFFERENT
THAN ANY OTHER RS SITUATION.
MOVING ALONG, THE COMP PLAN AND THE VISION MAP SAY SOUTH
TAMPA SHOULD NOT BE DISTURBED FROM ITS CURRENT USE.
IT IS A LEVEL ONE.
IT'S DEVELOPED AND IT'S IN ITS FINAL STAGES OF ENJOYMENT.
THERE'S NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN THE ESTABLISHMENT AND

GREENSPACE, PUBLIC USE ON BAYSHORE.
IT SHOULD REMAIN THE SAME.
NOW, THE APPLICANT HAS REDUCED AND PRESENTED TO YOU A 38
UNIT BUILDING AND 16 STORIES.
WE'VE DISCUSSED THE 16 STORIES AS BEING OUT OF CHARACTER.
38 UNITS ALSO VIOLATES THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE
THERE SHOULD BE NO INCREASE IN DENSITY ALONG THE COASTAL
HIGH HAZARD MARK.
THIS PROJECT IS IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND IT'S
100% INCREASE IN DENSITY BECAUSE THERE IS NO DENSITY AT THE
SCHOOL LEVEL.
THERE ARE NO RESIDENTS.
BUT PUT 38 NEW FAMILIES.
LASTLY, I THINK THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO INVITE THE CITY
COUNCIL TO TAKE OVER THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S
RECOMMENDATIONS AND TO -- THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS IN FAVOR OF
CREATING SOME OTHER RS CLASSIFICATION FOR THIS PROPERTY
ALONE.
YOU SHOULD DENY THAT INVITATION.
9:08:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
DENNIS LEVINE.
MIKE MECKLEY.
ADRIAN VAN HEYST.
MR. LEVINE, YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM AND THE ATTORNEY
WILL READ THE NAMES.

9:08:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
9:09:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THEY ARE SINGLE COPIES.
9:09:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NOT NINE COPIES, BUT NINE LETTERS.
FRANCINE LEVINE.
L. MEYERS.
GOLDENBERG HERE?
9:09:32PM >> NO.
9:09:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND HIME GOLDENBERG.
9:09:38PM >> NO.
9:09:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SALLY D.?
THANK YOU.
STUART DONNER.
ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR NAMES FOR A TOTAL OF SEVEN MINUTES.
9:09:51PM >> THANK YOU.
GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
I GREW UP IN SOUTH TAMPA.
I'M A LIFELONG MEMBER OF CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM.
I REMEMBER AS A KID THERE WERE ONLY THREE GASPARILLA KREWES.
AT THE PARADE WE SCRAMBLED TO PICK UP SHELLS FROM PIRATE
BLANK GUNS.
NOBODY THREW BEADS AND NO CONDOS ON BAYSHORE.
THAT WAS 1965.
BUT NOW IT IS 2025, 60 YEARS LATER, WOW, TAMPA IS A
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLACE.
THAT IS A GREAT THING FOR ALL OF US.

TAMPA HAS GROWN INCREDIBLY AND THAT GROWTH WILL NOT STOP
BECAUSE THE SECRET IS OUT.
TAMPA IS THE GREATEST PLACE IN THE WORLD.
THAT'S WHAT I TELL PEOPLE.
HOW DOES THE CITY MANAGE THAT GROWTH?
THERE ARE ALWAYS COMPLAINTS AND NOBODY LIKES THE INCREASE IN
TRAFFIC, OVERALL I BELIEVE THE CITY HAS DONE A GOOD JOB.
NOW THE CITY FACES A CHOICE REGARDING THE RODEPH SHALOM
PROPERTY ON BAYSHORE.
WE BELIEVE THE PROJECT NOW BEFORE CITY COUNCIL IS MEASURED
AND REASONABLE USE OF THE PROPERTY.
AS CLENDENIN WARNED AT THE LAST HEARING, OPPONENTS OF THE
PROJECT MAY RUE THE DAY IF IT IS TURNED DOWN BY THE CITY
COUNCIL BECAUSE I CAN PROMISE YOU IF TAMPA'S HISTORY IS ANY
INDICATION, THE SYNAGOGUE IS FORCED TO SELL THE PROPERTY,
ALL THE PROPERTY, A MUCH LARGER PROJECT ON THIS PROPERTY
WILL BE APPROVED BY A MORE DEVELOPMENT FRIENDLY CITY
COUNCIL.
THE OPPONENTS OF THE PROJECT PRESENT ONLY CONJECTURE
REGARDING ANY NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THEIR PROPERTY BUT LET'S
LOOK AT THE FACTS.
PRESBYTERIAN TOWERS, VERY TALL, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
TWO VERY LARGE CONDOMINIUM BUILDINGS ARE LOCATED JUST NORTH
OF THE GARDEN CLUB, INCLUDING ONE, THE SANCTUARY BUILT IN
THE LAST TWO YEARS ALMOST NEXT TO THE GARDEN CLUB.

THESE TWO ADJACENT PROPERTIES HAVE NOT BROUGHT THE DIRE
IMPACTS IN THE AREA THAT THE OPPONENTS RAISE NOW.
ALSO, THE GARDEN CLUB IS A VERY LARGE PROPERTY WITH A LOT OF
TREES.
THERE ALREADY IS A SIGNIFICANT BUFFER BETWEEN THEIR PROPERTY
AND RODEPH SHALOM.
OF COURSE, FRED BALL PARK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE GARDEN
CLUB.
THIS IS A PICTURE I TOOK TODAY LOOKING AT THE GARDEN CLUB
AND THE TWO CONDOMINIUM BUILDINGS I MENTIONED JUST TO THE
NORTH AND ALL THE TREES.
THIS IS A PICTURE FROM THE FRONT OF THE GARDEN CLUB LOOKING
TOWARD BAY TO BAY.
YOU CAN SEE I THINK THERE'S FIVE OR SIX CONDOMINIUM
BUILDINGS.
FINALLY, WHAT I'M GOING TO TELL THE CITY COUNCIL IS FORGET
WHAT YOU HEAR, TRUST WHAT YOU SEE.
AND WHAT I SEE WHEN I WALK OUT ON BAYSHORE IS THIS.
THIS IS TAMPA.
THIS IS THE NEW TAMPA.
THIS IS WHAT TAMPA IS.
I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT TAMPA TO
CHANGE.
I LIKED EATING AT THE COLONNADE AS I'M SURE ALL OF YOU DID,
BUT THAT WAS THEN.

NOW, I STEPPED IT OFF TODAY.
I WENT OVER TO THE PROPERTIES.
IT'S 80 STEPS FROM THE GARDEN CLUB BUILDING GOING ACROSS
FRED BALL PARK TO THE SANCTUARY CONDOMINIUM.
80 STEPS.
IT'S 60 STEPS FROM THE GARDEN CLUB BUILDING TO THE RODEPH
SHALOM PARKING PROPERTY LINE.
WOULD NOT INCLUDE BUFFERS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT GOING TO
BUILD NEXT TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
ONE OTHER THING THAT NO ONE HAS MENTIONED IS THAT PART OF
THIS PROJECT IS THAT THE PRESCHOOL IS AT THE SYNAGOGUE IS
GOING TO BE TORN DOWN.
THAT'S REGRETTABLE BUT IT'S ALSO GOING TO REDUCE
SIGNIFICANTLY THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S IN THIS
NEIGHBORHOOD AND NO ONE HAS MENTIONED THAT.
I WAS SCOFFED AT LAST TIME I SAID THIS BEFORE CITY COUNCIL
BUT I'LL SAY IT AGAIN.
NOBODY ACTUALLY LIVES AT THE GARDEN CLUB.
THE GARDEN CLUB IS A CLUB.
THERE'S NO RESIDENCE THERE.
IT'S NOT LIKE YOU ARE THE NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR AND THIS IS
GOING TO ADVERSELY AFFECT YOUR HOME.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
AND THAT'S IMPORTANT.
NOW, THE ALTURA CONDOMINIUM OPPOSING THIS PROJECT, IT'S

REALLY KIND OF IRONIC THAT THEY ARE HERE.
THEY BUILT THIS GIANT BUILDING.
THEY MESSED UP THE TRAFFIC AT BAY TO BAY AND YSABELLA AND
NOW THEY ARE SAYING WE DON'T WANT MORE CONDOMINIUMS BECAUSE
WE DON'T WANT WORSE TRAFFIC.
THE REALITY IS THEY DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO BLOCK THEIR VIEW.
THAT'S THE REALITY.
HERE ARE FACTS THAT I BELIEVE REPRESENT EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT
THE APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT.
FIRST, THE CITY STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND SUPPORTS
THE PROJECT.
SECOND, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING ZONING OF THE
PROPERTY.
THIRD, THE PROJECT WILL SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASE THE CITY'S
TAX BASE.
FOURTH, MOST IMPORTANT, I THINK, THE PROJECT IS CONSISTENT
WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING ON BAYSHORE.
THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES IS NOT
SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
IT'S NOT.
BELIEVE WHAT YOUR EYES TELL YOU.
ALL THE ADJOINING NEARBY PROPERTIES ARE EITHER CONDOMINIUMS
OR TOWN HOUSES.
MAYBE THERE'S ONE OR TWO SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES BUT THAT'S NOT
WHAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS.

IT'S NOT WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.
THERE ARE NOW I BELIEVE EIGHT COMMITMENTS WITHIN A QUARTER
MILE OF THIS PROPERTY.
SOMEBODY EARLIER MENTIONED ABOUT ACCEPTING REALITY.
THE REALITY IS WHAT YOU SEE.
THIS PARCEL IS SURROUNDED BY CONDOMINIUMS.
TAMPA IS MOVING FORWARD IN THE 21st CENTURY.
THIS PROJECT IS A MEASURED DEVELOPMENT THAT'S CONSISTENT
WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.
TRUST WHAT YOUR EYES TELL YOU.
THERE'S SIGNIFICANT BUFFERING BETWEEN THE GARDEN CLUB AND
RODEPH SHALOM.
THIS IS TAMPA'S FUTURE.
BASED ON THESE FACTS, I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO VOTE YES ON
THIS PROJECT.
THANK YOU.
9:15:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MIKE MECKLEY FOLLOWED BY ADRIAN VAN
HEYST AND SYDELLE VOGEL.
MIKE MECKLEY HAS A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
PLEASE GIVE IT TO THE ATTORNEY AND HE WILL READ OFF THE
NAMES.
9:16:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
THREE NAMES.
KATHY PROVADO.

ALTURA.
CHARLOTTE HILLEN.
TOTAL OF SIX MINUTES PLEASE.
9:16:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD, SIR.
9:16:24PM >> MICHAEL MECKLEY.
MY HOUSE WHICH I LIVED AT FOR 36 YEARS IS A SHORT WALK TO
BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I WILL APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE FOR REPEATING THINGS I'VE SAID
DURING THE PREVIOUS TWO HEARINGS.
BUT THE FACT IS THE THINGS I WILL REPEAT ARE EQUALLY
APPLICABLE TO THE REVISED PROPOSAL.
ONE QUICK WORD, THE WORD PRECEDENT HAS BEEN THROWN AROUND A
LOT.
IF I FORGOT TO BUY MY WIFE SOMETHING FOR VALENTINE'S DAY, I
COULD SET A PRECEDENT.
BUT I THINK WE'D ALL AGREE THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT
IS A GOOD OR PROPER THING.
THIS APPLICATION INVOLVES A SIMPLE ISSUE.
EVERYONE HAS TALKED ABOUT IT.
THE HEIGHT AND SCALE OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING AND HOW IT
COLLIDES WITH THE LAST LARGE CONTIGUOUS GREENSPACE LEFT ON
BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
THIS POCKET IS UNIQUE AND SHOULD NOT BE LUMPED IN WITH THE
OTHER SECTIONS OF BAYSHORE.

WHEN EVALUATING THIS APPLICATION AND THE HEIGHT AND SCALE OF
THE BUILDING, I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING.
WHEN REFERENCING BAYSHORE BOULEVARD, THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN INDICATES THE BALANCE OF PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, THE
PUBLIC REALM AND THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT ALONG BAYSHORE
BOULEVARD IS LIKE NO OTHER THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
OBJECTIVE 20.4 REQUIRES THE CITY TO CONTINUE TO PRESERVE AND
ENHANCE THE BALANCE OF THE NATURAL AND PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENTS
ALONG BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
DON'T BE TRICKED INTO THINKING THIS REQUEST AND ITS
COMPATIBILITY IS SIMILAR TO THE OTHER PRIOR APPLICATIONS
ALONG BAYSHORE.
IT IS NOT.
OF ANYTHING ALONG BAYSHORE BOULEVARD THIS POCKET FROM BAY TO
BAY ON THE SOUTH, FRED BALL PARK ON THE NORTH BETWEEN
YSABELLA AND BAYSHORE BEST EMBODIES WHAT THE TAMPA
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TRIES TO ARTICULATE.
I DON'T THINK ANYTHING BETTER REFLECTS THE HARMONIOUS
BALANCE THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR.
EXPANSIVE GREENSPACE, LOW-RISE BUILDINGS, INCLUDING THE
ICONIC SYNAGOGUE, THE ICONIC TAMPA GARDEN CLUB SURROUNDED BY
AN OLD CITY NEIGHBORHOOD WITH LOW-RISE BUILDINGS AND, OF
COURSE, FRED BALL PARK WITH ITS NATURAL SPRING ON THE NORTH
SIDE.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS NO DEFINITION OF SURROUNDING AREA

OR NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THE APPLICANT USES A LARGE AREA WHILE THOSE IN OPPOSITION
USE A NARROW LENS.
MY POINT HERE IS SINCE THERE'S NO DEFINITION, COUNCIL HAS
THE LATITUDE TO DETERMINE THIS DEFINITION ON A CASE-BY-CASE
BASIS BASED ON THE FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES AT HAND.
MOVING ON TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, YES, THE BUILDING IS
SHORTER.
YOU'VE HEARD THIS FROM MANY, BUT NOWHERE CLOSE TO THE HEIGHT
THAT SHOULD MATERIALLY CHANGE HOW THIS TOPIC IMPACTS YOUR
ASSESSMENT.
IN THE CONTEXT OF HEIGHT AND SCALE, THIS APPLICATION SHOULD
BE VIEWED THE SAME AS THE PRIOR APPLICATIONS.
THEY WANT YOU TO FOCUS ON THE OPTICS OF A SHORTER BUILDING
WHEN YOU SHOULD ONCE AGAIN BE FOCUSED ON THE ENORMOUS SIZE
AND SCALE RELATIVE TO THE R 35 ZONING, THE PARCEL SIZE AND
THE SURROUNDING AREA.
THE PROJECT IS SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME AS THE LAST TIME WE
WERE HERE IN FEBRUARY 2024 WHEN COUNCIL VOTED AGAINST THE
APPLICATION 5-2.
THE APPLICATION PRIOR TO THAT BACK IN MAY OF 2023, WHICH WAS
DENIED 6-0.
AS IT WAS WITH THE MAY 2023 AND FEBRUARY 2024 APPLICATION,
THE REASON THE SCALE AND SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS SO -- IS
NOT COMPLICATED.

IT IS BECAUSE THE UNITS AVERAGE OVER 5,000 SQUARE FEET.
WE DEFINITELY NEED MORE HOUSING IN TAMPA, BUT WE NEED
WORKFORCE HOUSING.
THIS ISN'T WHAT IS GOOD FOR TAMPA.
IT'S WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE APPLICANT AND 38 PEOPLE.
LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN, 38 PEOPLE.
IT'S NOT ABOUT THE COMMUNITY.
THE FINAL IMPORTANT POINT IS THE APPLICANT HAS CONTINUED TO
IGNORE THE INPUT OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS IN THE
COMMUNITY AS IT RELATES TO HEIGHT AND SCALE OF THE
DEVELOPMENT.
DON'T CONFUSE A REDUCTION OF HEIGHT BY THEM WITH THE SIZE
AND SCALE BEING ACCEPTABLE TO THE NEIGHBORS AND THE
COMMUNITY.
THIS CONTINUES TO BE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT OBJECTION AS YOU
HEARD TONIGHT OVER AND OVER.
IT WAS TOTALLY DISMISSED IN THE NAME OF PROFIT.
THE APPLICANT WANTS TO YOU BELIEVE THERE IS A PRODUCTIVE
TWO-WAY DIALOGUE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS IN THE
COMMUNITY REGARDING SIZE AND SCALE BUT THAT NEVER HAPPENED.
THE BURDEN IS ON THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE COMPETENT
SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT AMONG OTHER THINGS, THE PROPOSED
DEVELOPMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN,
CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY CODE, COMPATIBLE WITH THE
SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND OVERALL SITE, DESIGN AND SCALE,

PROVIDES AN APPROPRIATE TRANSITION IN THE SURROUNDING
NEIGHBORHOOD, IS CONSISTENT IN CHARACTER WITH THE
SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND DOES NOT SUBSTANTIALLY
INTERFERE WITH OR INJURE THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS.
THE APPLICANT HAS ONCE AGAIN FAILED TO PROVIDE COMPETENT
SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE RELATED TO ANY OF THESE ITEMS.
I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THE MOTION YOU APPROVED 6-0 IN MAY
OF 2023 AND THE MOTION YOU APPROVED 5-2 IN FEBRUARY OF 2024
INCLUDED SPECIFIC LANGUAGE RELATED TO ALL THE SAME ITEMS.
THE MATERIAL FACTS TODAY ARE EXACTLY THE SAME.
A REDUCTION IN HEIGHT TO 215 FEET AND SOME ADDITIONAL
LANDSCAPING CHANGES NOTHING RELATIVE TO THESE CRITICALLY
IMPORTANT ISSUES.
LASTLY, AND THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP BEFORE TOO.
I WANT TO POINT OUT THE CITY STAFF FOUND THE MAY 2023
APPLICATION CONSISTENT WHEN YOU DENIED THE APPLICATION 6-0.
THE CITY STAFF AGAIN IN FEBRUARY 2024 FOUND IT CONSISTENT
WHEN YOU DENIED THE APPLICATION 5-2.
SO TO GO AGAINST THE CITY STAFF AGAIN TODAY WOULD AGAIN YOU
WOULD BE BEING CONSISTENT WITH BOTH YOUR MAY 2023 VOTE AS
WELL AS YOUR FEBRUARY 2024 VOTE.
PLEASE PRESERVE THE AREA AND REPRESENT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY
BY DENYING THIS APPLICATION.
THANK YOU.
9:22:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ADRIAN VAN HEYST, SYDELLE VOGEL.
MELODY ESSER.
GOOD EVENING, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:22:38PM >> MY NAME IS ADRIAN VAN HEYST.
ESTEEMED CITY COUNCIL, I REPRESENT OVER 200 SENIOR RESIDENTS
THAT LIVE AT THE BAYSHORE PRESBYTERIAN APARTMENTS DIRECTLY
ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED
HIGH-RISE.
OUR AGES RANGE FROM 62 TO 103 WITH THE MEDIAN AGE BEING
BETWEEN 75 AND 80.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE ARE BETWEEN 75 AND
80, BUT I'M THERE, AND I LIVE AT THAT RESIDENCE.
AND THIS IS A SPECIAL COMMUNITY.
I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS IS A SPECIAL COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE CONDITIONS AND NEEDS THAT GO ALONG WITH OUR AGE THAT
ARE DIFFERENT THAN MANY PEOPLE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.
ONE OF THE PRIMARY NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY, OUR 200 RESIDENTS
IS ACCESSIBILITY.
WE NEED INGRESS.
WE NEED EGRESS FROM JULY 1st, 2024, UNTIL JANUARY 16 OF
THIS YEAR, THERE WERE 38 TAMPA FIRE AND RESCUE RESPONSES TO
OUR BUILDING.
THAT MEANS NOT JUST 38 FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME, BUT MULTIPLY
THAT BY ALL THE NUMBER OF YEARS IT TAKES TO DO THE

CONSTRUCTION OF THIS BUILDING AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT OVER 200
EMERGENCY RESPONSES.
THESE DO NOT INCLUDE SOME OF THE OTHER AMBULANCE RESPONSES
THAT WE HAVE FROM TIME TO TIME.
SO MORE THAN ONCE A WEEK WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE, YOU
MIGHT SAY, TO OUR FACILITY.
AND SO IT IS THAT I CAN TELL YOU THAT SPEED IS OF THE
ESSENCE WHEN IT COMES TO HAVING EMERGENCY CARE.
I AM THE SURVIVOR OF AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE BECAUSE I HAD A
SEVERE STROKE.
AND IF IT WASN'T FOR THE FACT OF EMERGENCY CARE BEING THERE
VERY QUICKLY, I WOULD NOT BE HERE TALKING TO YOU TODAY.
AND SO I'M ASKING YOU, CONSIDER THE NEEDS OF OUR 200
RESIDENTS.
THEY ARE SPECIAL RESIDENTS.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY SAY THAT BEFORE TONIGHT.
BUT THERE'S 200 PEOPLE THERE, AND THAT WILL BE 200 FOR AS
LONG AS THE BUILDING WHERE I RESIDE WILL BE WILL HAVE
SPECIAL NEEDS.
WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER BUILDING THERE.
WE NEED WALKABILITY.
WE NEED GOOD, EASY ACCESS AND EGRESS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND I HOPE YOU DO NOT APPROVE THIS REQUEST.
THANK YOU.

9:25:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SYDELLE VOGEL.
MELODY ESSER.
MARK GESNER.
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
GO AHEAD.
9:26:11PM >> MY NAME IS SYDELLE VOGEL.
I, TOO, LIVE AT THE BAYSHORE PRESBYTERIAN APARTMENTS, NOT
TOWER.
IT IS NOT A TOWER.
WE HAVE PROBLEMS WALKING AROUND THAT AREA.
THE CITY HAS TO FIX THE STREET.
THEY PROMISE THEY ARE GOING TO DO THE POTHOLES.
THEY RENEGE ON THAT OR THEY COME AROUND WHENEVER.
WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM.
IF WE DON'T WATCH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE DON'T TAKE CARE OF
THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF DEAD
PEOPLE, UNFORTUNATELY.
I MADE THAT STATEMENT LAST YEAR AT THIS MEETING.
AND IT IS THE TRUTH.
WE HAVE LOST PEOPLE IN OUR BUILDING.
NOT TOO MANY PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED OUR BUILDING AT ALL.
EVERYBODY IS A LAWYER AND EVERYBODY IS A PROFESSIONAL.
I AM TOO.
I'M A NURSE.
I CARE FOR PEOPLE.

I CARE FOR ALL MY PEOPLE IN MY BUILDING.
BUT YOU HAVE TO REALIZE WHEN YOU STICK ANOTHER BUILDING IN
THAT AREA, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE CARS SPEEDING OUT.
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO WATCH OUR OLDER PEOPLE.
THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT OLDER PEOPLE.
THEY WANT TO GO WHERE THEY WANT TO GO.
WE JUST HAD A PARADE.
300,000 OR ABOUT PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE.
YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN THE TRAFFIC.
NOW, YOU BUILD ANOTHER BUILDING IN THAT AREA, I DON'T KNOW,
LIKE I SAID, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF DEAD PEOPLE
BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WARRANT THAT.
TAMPA HAS GROWN, YES.
I'VE BEEN HERE 60 YEARS.
MY CHILDREN HAVE GROWN UP AND OUT, BUT THEY GOT MARRIED AT
RODEPH SHALOM.
THEY GOT BAR MITZVAHED AT RODEPH SHALOM.
NEXT DOOR.
EVERYTHING WAS FINE.
NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A BUILDING FOR THE FOURTH TIME.
HOW MANY MORE TIMES ARE WE GOING TO COME BACK TO DOING THE
SAME THING ALL OVER AGAIN?
I REALLY DON'T APPRECIATE THAT AND NEITHER DO THE PEOPLE IN
THE BUILDING.
MOST OF THE PEOPLE DO NOT WANT THIS BUILDING.

THANK YOU AND HAVE A GOOD EVENING.
9:28:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MELODY ESSER.
MARK GESNER, JOHN RANON.
COME ON UP.
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:29:02PM >> MELODY ESSER.
I AM ANOTHER RESIDENT OF BAYSHORE PRESBYTERIAN APARTMENTS.
AND WHEN I HEARD THAT THIS WAS COMING BACK FOR ANOTHER VOTE
BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL, IT SCARED ME A LOT CONSIDERING THE
HURRICANE HELENE WE JUST HAD AND THE FLOODING AT THE
SYNAGOGUE AS WELL AS ALL ALONG BAYSHORE.
WHERE I LIVE IS A BLOCK OFF OF BAYSHORE.
SO I'M RECESSED FROM THE WATER.
BUT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AND EVACUATING, WHICH I HAVE
TO DO EVERY TIME THERE IS A HURRICANE BECAUSE WE'RE IN A
FLOOD ZONE ONE.
I GET EVACUATED EVERY TIME.
YOU ADD BUILDINGS.
YOU ADD PEOPLE.
YOU ADD TRAFFIC.
YOU ADD ACCIDENTS.
YOU ADD TOO MANY THINGS GOING ON WHEN EMERGENCIES ARE
HAPPENING AS THEY DO IN A HURRICANE OR A STORM, WHICH WE'RE
HAVING MORE OF EVERY YEAR.

I JUST ALSO WANTED TO SAY LAST FEBRUARY 28, I WAS SENT IN AN
AMBULANCE TO THE HOSPITAL AND MY HEART STOPPED TWICE.
I UNDERSTOOD FROM MY SISTER WHO IS A NURSE PRACTITIONER THAT
IF I HADN'T GOTTEN TO THE HOSPITAL IN TIME THAT I WOULD HAVE
DIED BECAUSE AMBULANCES AREN'T REALLY MEANT TO KEEP YOU
ALIVE.
THEY ARE GOING TO TRY, BUT THEY CAN'T DO WHAT A HOSPITAL
CAN.
I GOT TO THAT HOSPITAL IN TIME.
I GOT THAT PACEMAKER WHICH I FORGOT ALL ABOUT COMING INTO
THIS ROOM.
ANYWAY, MY LIFE IS HERE.
I DON'T WANT TO LOSE IT AGAIN IF WE BUILD ANOTHER BUILDING
THAT I CAN'T ESCAPE FROM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:31:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MARK GESNER, JOHN RANON, ELLEN WEISS.
9:31:54PM >> GOOD EVENING.
I'M MARK GESNER.
I SERVE DURING THE DAY AS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE
TAMPA JCCs.
I'M HERE THIS EVENING REALLY IN MY PERSONAL CAPACITY AS
SOMEBODY WHO CARES ABOUT THE JEWISH COMMUNITY AND WANTS TO
SAY A FEW WORDS.

SO APPRECIATE ALL THE EFFORT THAT THE CITY ZONING STAFF HAS
PUT INTO WORKING WITH THE CONGREGATION ON A PROJECT THAT
WILL ENSURE RODEPH SHALOM WILL BE A CORNERSTONE AND A HOME
FOR THE JEWISH COMMUNITY FOR TAMPA FOR YEARS TO COME.
RODEPH SHALOM IS THE ONLY CONSERVATIVE JEWISH CONGREGATION
IN SOUTH TAMPA.
WE ALL HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN ENSURING THE LONG-TERM
HEALTH AND ITS SUSTAINABILITY.
SYNAGOGUES AND CHURCHES NATIONWIDE ARE STRUGGLING TO KEEP
THEIR DOORS OPEN BECAUSE OF CHANGING LIFESTYLES AND
DEMOGRAPHICS.
RODEPH SHALOM IS FORTUNATE TO HAVE A STABLE AND DEDICATED
MEMBERSHIP AND FORTUNATE TO HAVE FOUND A SUSTAINABLE PATH
FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT.
IF THE GOAL OF THIS COUNCIL IS A WORLD-CLASS CITY THAT HELPS
INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES OF ALL SORTS FEEL AT HOME HERE,
THEN THIS PROJECT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO JUST THAT.
TAMPA'S JEWISH COMMUNITY COMPRISES ORTHODOX JEWS,
CONSERVATIVE JEWS, REFORMED JEWS AND OTHERS, RODEPH SHALOM
IS THE HOME OF THE CONSERVATIVE JEWISH COMMUNITY IN SOUTH
TAMPA AND I BELIEVE THE PROJECT WILL BE CRUCIAL IN KEEPING
THEM HERE, REMAINING A VITAL COMPONENT OF THE COMMUNITY FOR
YEARS TO COME.
I HOPE YOU SUPPORT THE PROJECT.
9:33:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

JOHN RANON, ELLEN WEISS, PAMELA GARRON.
COME ON UP, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:33:53PM >> GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS JOHN RANON.
I'VE SEEN MY NAMES SPELLED MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.
WHAT I JUST WITNESSED WAS SOMETHING ENTIRELY UNIQUE.
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF COMMENTARY THIS EVENING THAT SORT OF
PAINTS A PICTURE OF THE RELATED GROUP AS BEING THE BAD GUYS.
I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER A COUNTERPOINT.
I DO SO RESPECTFULLY BECAUSE SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
SPOKEN IN OPPOSITION ARE MY FRIENDS AND I INTEND TO KEEP IT
THAT WAY.
SO RATHER THAN SPEAK TO THE MERITS OF THE PROPOSAL, I WANT
TO SPEAK TO THE THOUGHTFUL AND GENEROUS RESPONSE TO A
REQUEST THAT THE CENTRO ESPANOL MADE TO THE RELATED GROUP.
IN THE WAY OF BACKGROUND, 1904 TO 1906, MUTUAL AID SOCIETY
CONSTRUCTED STATE-OF-THE-ART HOSPITAL ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD
NOT FAR FROM THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
THAT HOSPITAL WAS STATE OF THE ART FOR ITS TIME NOT ONLY IN
THE CITY BUT IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
IT SERVED OUR MEMBERS AND THEIR FAMILIES FOR SIX AND A HALF
DECADES.
IN 1970, OUTLIVING ITS USEFULNESS, THE HOSPITAL WAS

DEMOLISHED AND IN ITS PLACE, THE BAY OAKS APARTMENTS WERE
CONSTRUCTED.
MIRACULOUSLY A CENTRAL FOUNTAIN THAT ADORNED THE LANDSCAPE
OF OUR HOSPITAL SURVIVED THE WRECKING BALL.
NOT LONG AGO WHEN WE LEARNED OF THE PROJECT THAT IS BEING
CONSIDERED TONIGHT, WE WROTE A LETTER TO MR. PERA AT THE
RELATED GROUP AND ASKED SIMPLY FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION TO
PRESERVE THAT FOUNTAIN.
THE RESPONSE FROM THE GROUP SURPRISED AND PLEASED US.
THEY OFFERED NOT ONLY TO PRESERVE IT, BUT ALSO TO RESTORE IT
AND TO PLACE AN INTERPRETIVE MARKER NEARBY.
WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE RELATED GROUP'S GESTURE TO
PRESERVE A SMALL PART OF TAMPA'S ARCHITECTURAL AND CULTURAL
LEGACY.
IF I HAD MORE TIME, I COULD TELL YOU WHY THAT FOUNTAIN WAS
IMPORTANT TO US BEYOND ITS ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES.
THANK YOU.
9:36:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:36:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE REZONING.
WERE THE GOLDFISH PART OF THE DEAL?
9:36:41PM >> YES.
9:36:41PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
STILL GOT THE GOLDFISH.
9:36:44PM >> FOUNTAIN WAS USED AS A PLANTER.
9:36:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HEAD DOCTOR WAS DR. WINKLE.
9:36:49PM >> YES.

9:36:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SPANISH NAME WINKLE.
I REMEMBER GOING THERE AS A KID.
ABOUT 18 STEPS TO GET TO THE MAIN FLOOR.
9:37:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HE HAS A BUS ON THE RIVERWALK THAT
DOCTOR.
YES, MA'AM, ELLEN WEISS.
PAMELA GARRON.
JAMIE FINLEY.
9:37:15PM >> HI.
MY NAME IS ELLEN WEISS.
FOR THE PAST NINE YEARS I'VE BEEN THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF
TOP JEWISH FOUNDATION, A 44-YEAR-OLD ORGANIZATION
HEADQUARTERED IN TAMPA AND THE ONLY COMMUNITY FOUNDATION
PARTNERING WITH CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM AND ALL THE
JEWISH ORGANIZATIONS THROUGHOUT TAMPA.
I HAVE THE UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE OF RUNNING A FOUNDATION WHOSE
SOLE PURPOSE IS TO ENSURE A FINANCIAL, VIBRANT FUTURE FOR
RODEPH SHALOM AND THE TAMPA JEWISH COMMUNITY AS WELL AS
SEVEN OTHER JEWISH COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE WEST COAST OF
FLORIDA AND CENTRAL FLORIDA.
IT IS THROUGH MY WORK THAT I HAVE SEEN WHAT IT TAKES TO RUN
AND SUSTAIN A VIBRANT SYNAGOGUE AND HOW IMPORTANT A VIBRANT
SYNAGOGUE IS NOT ONLY TO ITS MEMBERS AND THE JEWISH
COMMUNITY BUT ALSO TO THE LARGER CIVIC COMMUNITY.

MY MESSAGE TODAY IS THAT THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL SUPPORT OF
RODEPH SHALOM WILL SIGNIFICANTLY AFFECT NOT ONLY ITS MEMBERS
AND SYNAGOGUE, BUT THE LARGER JEWISH AND CIVIC COMMUNITIES
TODAY AND FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.
THE SYNAGOGUE PLAYS A CRITICALLY IMPORTANT ROLE IN THE LIVES
OF ITS MEMBERS AS THE ONLY CONSERVATIVE SYNAGOGUE IN SOUTH
TAMPA.
THE PROPOSED PROJECT WILL CREATE AN ENDOWMENT THAT WILL
ENSURE THE FUTURE OF THE SYNAGOGUE WITHOUT WHICH MANY
NONPROFITS WILL STRUGGLE AND NOT SURVIVE, LIKE THE
CONSERVATIVE SYNAGOGUE IN SOUTH PINELLAS COUNTY THAT CLOSED
ITS DOORS WITHIN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
RODEPH HAS ALSO PLAYED A SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN SUPPORTING THE
LARGER JEWISH COMMUNITY.
THROUGH ITS SUPPORT OF TOP JEWISH FOUNDATION OVER THE PAST
44 YEARS, RODEPH HAS ENABLED TOP JEWISH FOUNDATION TO RUN
ITS LEGACY AND ENDOWMENT PROGRAMS, WHICH BUILD CRITICALLY
IMPORTANT ENDOWMENTS FOR EVERY SINGLE TAMPA JEWISH
ORGANIZATION.
WITHOUT RODEPH'S SUPPORT OF TOP, MANY TAMPA JEWISH
ORGANIZATIONS WILL SUFFER.
LIKEWISE, A VIBRANT RODEPH SHALOM ENABLES ITS MEMBERS TO
SUPPORT THE LARGER TAMPA CIVIC COMMUNITY.
MANY OF RODEPH'S MEMBERS HOLD PHILANTHROPIC FUNDS OR LEGACY
OR ENDOWMENT COMMITMENTS THAT SUPPORT COUNTLESS, NONPROFIT

CAUSES THROUGHOUT TAMPA, INCLUDING THE HOSPITALS, THE ARTS,
EDUCATION, AND THE ENVIRONMENT.
FOR ALL OF THESE REASONS, I URGE THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL TO
WIDEN ITS LENS AND WEIGH THE IMPORTANCE OF RODEPH SHALOM'S
VIABILITY ON THE LARGER JEWISH AND TAMPA COMMUNITIES.
THANK YOU.
9:40:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
PAMELA GARRON.
JAMIE FINLEY.
GABRIEL FLYNN.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:40:20PM >> HI.
GOOD EVENING.
PAMELA TOBIN GARRON.
THANK YOU ALL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
I APPRECIATE YOU HEARING ME TONIGHT.
WHICH MEANS FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION, FIVE GENERATIONS
OF MY FAMILY HAVE BEEN MEMBERS OF CONGREGATION RODEPH
SHALOM.
THEY JOINED THE SYNAGOGUE IN THE 1960s AND THROUGH THE
YEARS WE'VE BEEN FORTUNATE TO BE SUPPORTED BY THIS SYNAGOGUE
THROUGH MANY LIFE CYCLE EVENTS, MY HUSBAND AND I WERE
MARRIED THERE OVER 30 YEARS AGO, AND MANY OTHER FAMILY
MEMBERS EXCHANGED THEIR WEDDING VOWS AT THE SAME SITE.

MY CHILDREN RECEIVED THEIR INCREDIBLE EDUCATION ABOUT JEWISH
HISTORY AND THE HEBREW LANGUAGE AND EACH HAD THE BAR MITZVAH
AND CONFIRMATION AT THE SYNAGOGUE.
THE CONGREGATION WAS THERE FOR US WHEN OUR PARENTS AND OTHER
BELOVED FAMILY MEMBERS PASSED AWAY, AND EACH YEAR THE
CONGREGATION STANDS WITH US, REMEMBERING OUR LOVED ONES ON
THE ANNIVERSARY OF THEIR PASSING.
THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT PLACE WITH A PROMINENT HISTORY AND
AN INCREDIBLE LEGACY.
AS YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT BEFORE YOU HAS GONE THROUGH
MULTIPLE ITERATIONS, AND IT IS OUR HOPE TONIGHT THAT YOU'LL
SEE THIS PLAN BEFITTING FOR THE FUTURE OF THE SYNAGOGUE, THE
SKYLINE OF THE BEAUTIFUL BAYSHORE BOULEVARD AND ENSURE THAT
THIS IMPORTANT SITE REMAINS A PLACE FOR THE FUTURE
GENERATIONS OF OUR FAMILIES.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
9:41:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
JAMIE FINLEY.
GABRIEL FLYNN.
CHRIS ALLEN.
HELLO.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:42:05PM >> MY NAME IS JAMIE FINLEY.
THANK YOU GUYS.

I KNOW IT'S REALLY LATE.
THIS IS MY FIRST TIME SPEAKING AT THIS.
I'M AN INTERIOR DESIGNER HERE IN TAMPA.
I HAVE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS WHICH MAKES IT A LITTLE
CHALLENGING.
BEEN HERE FOR A FEW HOURS.
I THINK WHAT'S SO INTERESTING IS THAT EVERYBODY CARES ABOUT
THE COMMUNITY AND EVERYBODY CARES ABOUT SOUTH TAMPA AND HOW
IT LOOKS.
THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE GONE BACK AND REDESIGNED THIS TO FIT
THE COMMUNITY AND USE THE PROPERTY TO REALLY PRESERVE THE
INTEGRITY OF BAYSHORE VERSUS SOME BIG COMPANY COMING IN, IF
THEY SELL THE WHOLE PROPERTY, A BIG COMPANY COULD COME IN
AND WHO KNOWS WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
THAT WAS MY RECENT THOUGHT.
WHAT I CAME HERE TO SAY IS I HAVE CLIENTS THAT ARE IN ALL
DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUILDINGS IN TAMPA.
SO MANY OF CLIENTS HAVE DOWNSIZED FROM LIVING IN HYDE PARK,
CULBREATH ISLES, DAVIS ISLANDS, NEW SUBURB BEAUTIFUL,
EVERYWHERE IN BETWEEN.
WHAT'S SO INTERESTING IS THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MOVE TO
CONDOS SO THEY CAN STAY IN SOUTH TAMPA AND WATCH THEIR KIDS
GROW UP AND GRANDKIDS AND STAY INVOLVED WHILE NOT HAVING THE
SAME FOOTPRINT OF A HOUSE.
TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT JUST HAPPENED WITH THE

HURRICANES AND DEALING WITH A LOT OF DEVASTATION ALL
THROUGHOUT TAMPA AND I HAVE SEVERAL CLIENTS TRYING TO
REBUILD THEIR HOMES AND THE STRUGGLE OF WHETHER THEY CAN
EVEN AFFORD TO STAY IN SOUTH TAMPA OR FIX THEIR HOME OR NOT
FIX THEIR HOME AND THE CONDOS GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO
STAY IN SOUTH TAMPA AND STILL KEEP THEIR COMMUNITY AND
FRIENDS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE SO IMPORTANT TO
EVERYONE HERE TONIGHT, LIKE, ON BOTH SIDES.
I JUST THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE AND WHAT
IT HAS TO OFFER FOR THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
THANK YOU.
9:44:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
GABRIEL FLYNN, CHRIS ALLEN, ALAN FRAZIER.
HELLO, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:44:12PM >> IT'S QUINN.
GABRIEL QUINN.
9:44:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'LL CORRECT IT.
GO AHEAD, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:44:20PM >> GABRIEL QUINN.
GOOD EVENING.
I WANT TO START OFF BY SAYING I AM A NEWER MEMBER TO THE
TAMPA REGION.
I MOVED DOWN HERE FOR MY COLLEGE CAREER AND THEN TO PURSUE

MY CAREER AFTER I GRADUATED.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, I DON'T PLAN ON MOVING INTO THIS
BUILDING IF IT IS BUILT ANY TIME SOON.
BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THE BASIC IDEA OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND.
AND IF THIS BUILDING WERE TO BE BUILT, IT WOULD CREATE AN
OPPORTUNITY FOR WEALTHIER HOMEOWNERS AND BUYERS TO MOVE INTO
SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WHICH WOULD THEN FREE UP MID-RANGE
HOMES, LEAVING PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO ARE NOW RENTING THE
ABILITY TO PURCHASE A STARTER HOME.
SO RIGHT NOW, IT'S PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO THINK
ABOUT BUYING A HOME AND FOR PEOPLE MY AGE, IT'S REALLY
DAUNTING TRYING TO MOVE INTO AN AREA LIKE THIS WHERE WE WANT
TO BE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND UPHOLD THE ECONOMY, BUT
THERE'S NO HOUSING THAT WE CAN GET INTO THAT'S AFFORDABLE
FOR OUR PRICE RANGE.
SO I KNOW THAT CHANGE CAN BE DIFFICULT, BUT IF WE WANT TAMPA
TO KEEP GROWING AND BE VIBRANT AND ECONOMIC DIVERSE
COMMUNITY WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT HOUSING NEEDS TO BE
AFFORDABLE FOR ALL GENERATIONS, NOT JUST THOSE WHO OWN HOMES
NOW AND WHO WERE HERE BEFORE US.
WE NEED TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND FOR THE FUTURE THAT IS US YOUNG
PEOPLE WHO HAVE MOVED HERE AND CALL TAMPA OUR HOME.
THANK YOU.
9:45:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
CHRIS ALLEN.

PASTOR CHRIS ALLEN.
ALAN FRAZIER.
PAULA MECKLEY.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:46:11PM >> REVEREND CHRIS ALLEN, PASTOR OF HORIZON UNITED METHODIST
CHURCH.
I FIRST WALKED INTO CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM A LITTLE OVER
A YEAR AGO AS OUR BUILDING WAS BEING RENOVATED AND WE WERE
LOOKING FOR TEMPORARY SPACE.
MUCH UNLIKE THIS MEETING, IT WAS THE SHORTEST RELIGIOUS
MEETING I'VE BEEN -- THEY LITERALLY SAID THE WORD IN HEBREW
FOR HOSPITALITY.
THAT WAS MY WELCOME INTO THAT COMMUNITY.
THAT HAS BEEN THE HEARTBEAT THAT I EXPERIENCE EVERY TIME I
WALKED IN THE DOOR THERE.
THIS PAST FALL, EVERYONE HAS MENTIONED STORMS DEVASTATED OUR
COMMUNITY AND WE WERE DIRECTLY IMPACTED OUR CHURCH.
PERSONALLY MY HOME WAS ALSO FLOODED WITH HURRICANE HELENE.
I PREACHED THAT SUNDAY MORNING IN A SYNAGOGUE IN SHORTS AND
A T-SHIRT BECAUSE IT WAS THE ONLY CLOTHES I STILL HAD.
FOLLOWING WEEK WHEN HURRICANE MILTON CAME, THE BUILDING WE
WERE RENOVATING, SIX WEEKS AWAY AND LOOKING FORWARD TO NO
LONGER BEING TENANTS IN A SYNAGOGUE, OUR BUILDING FLOODED
AND WE STILL DON'T KNOW YET WHEN WE WILL BE BACK IN THAT
SPACE.

OVER AND OVER AGAIN CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM HAS BEEN THAT
PLACE OF HOSPITALITY FOR US.
IT'S BEEN A PLACE ON SUNDAY MORNINGS WHERE BOTH OUR
CONGREGATION AND THE CONGREGATION OF THE SYNAGOGUE HAVE
GATHERED.
KIDS RUNNING THROUGH THE HALLS.
AWESOME CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE.
AS WE AS A CITY BEGIN TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS MOST
FOREFRONT WITH THIS, I BELIEVE THIS PROJECT DOES IT IN SUCH
A CREATIVE WAY.
LONELINESS IS A PROBLEM IN OUR CITY AND IT IS A PLACE WHERE
PEOPLE GATHER AT CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM.
I BELIEVE IT HAS A UNIQUE PIECE IN THE FABRIC OF THE CITY TO
CONTINUE ON THAT STREET.
THE OTHER PIECE THAT I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IS ALSO HOW
DO WE DO THIS IN A WAY THAT TAKES THAT CREATIVITY AND CAN BE
A FORWARD THINKING APPROACH?
WE HEARD ABOUT THE NEED FOR HOUSING IN THIS COMMUNITY.
IT WILL CONTINUE TO INCREASE AS PEOPLE MOVE HERE.
THIS PROJECT ITSELF, I BELIEVE WITH YOUR FORWARD THINKING
LEADERSHIP CAN BE A PART OF THAT AND PUT US ON THE LANDMARK
OF SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DONE CREATIVELY WHERE PEOPLE ARE
NOT ONLY LIVING, THEY ARE WORKING, EATING AND PRAYING ALL IN
A CENTRALIZED AREA.
OUR CONGREGATION LOVES THE LOCATION ON SUNDAY MORNINGS

BECAUSE THEY CAN WALK FROM CAMP TO CHURCH IN THEIR YOGA
CLOTHES.
GO FROM THERE TO PINKY'S.
THEY CAN WALK FROM THEIR HOMES.
IT IS A UNIQUE SPOT, AMAZING THINGS FOR THE COMMUNITY.
FORMER BOARD MEMBER AT WALK BIKE TAMPA.
THERE'S MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION BETWEEN BUS LINES, BIKING
AND WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT CARS.
I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW THIS SPOT IS UNIQUE FOR
HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT OFFERS OTHER WAYS OF
GETTING AROUND OTHER THAN JUST CARS.
THANK YOU.
9:49:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
ALAN FRAZIER.
PAULA MECKLEY.
COURTNEY HOENING.
HELLO, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:49:15PM >> WHERE IS THE MIKE?
9:49:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT'S RIGHT THERE.
9:49:23PM >> MY NAME IS ALAN FRAZIER.
I'M NOT A MEMBER OF THE SYNAGOGUE, BUT MY GRANDFATHER, ADOLF
GOLDSTEIN, WAS ONE OF THE FOUNDING BOARD MEMBERS.
HE WAS ALSO ON THE CITY OF TAMPA COUNCIL IN 1923 AND 1929.
ANYWAY, I THINK IF THIS CAME UP, VOTED FOR IT.

[ LAUGHTER ]
BUT ANYWAY, I'M FOR THIS PROJECT.
A COUPLE OF REASONS.
IT IS A LOT OF TAXES.
$5 MILLION APIECE AND THAT'S A LOT OF TAXES FOR THE CITY.
IT CAN HELP DO A LOT OF GOOD THINGS WITH THAT.
THE OTHER THING, I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT, BUT TONY EVERETT
MENTIONED, ONE TIME HIGH-RISE ZONING FROM DIPLOMAT TO BAY TO
BAY OR FURTHER BEYOND THAT.
AND THAT'S TRUE.
IT DID HAVE A HIGH-RISE ZONING AS I REMEMBER, AND THAT
SHOULD BE -- THE OTHER THING, DENNIS LEVINE MENTIONED
THERE'S NOBODY LIVING IN THE GARDEN CLUB.
IT'S SURPRISING THEY OPPOSE IT SO MUCH.
ANYWAY, I WOULD URGE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL VOTE LIKE MY
GRANDFATHER WOULD, VOTE FOR THE PROJECT.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROJECT AND IT WOULD PROVIDE A LOT OF
REVENUE FOR THE CITY.
THANK YOU.
9:50:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SIR, YOU SAID YOUR GRANDFATHER WAS A
CITY COUNCIL MEMBER.
9:50:50PM >> YES.
ADOLF GOLDSTEIN.
9:50:57PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I BET HE WASN'T HERE AT MIDNIGHT.
9:51:01PM >> IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE SAME ROOM.

I DON'T KNOW.
9:51:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A BOOK OF ALL THE MEMBERS OF
CITY COUNCIL.
YOUR GRANDFATHER IS IN IT.
WOULD YOU LIKE A COPY?
9:51:08PM >> I'VE SEEN IT.
I'VE SEEN IT ON THE WEBSITE.
9:51:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
NEXT SPEAKER IS PAULA MECKLEY.
COURTNEY HOENING.
ALAN COHN.
PAULA MECKLEY, COME ON UP.
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:51:25PM >> PAULA MECKLEY.
GOOD EVENING, COUNCILMEN, I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA
GARDEN CLUB.
THIS PROPOSED 16-STORY HIGH-RISE, ALONG WITH THE 77-FOOT
TALL PARKING STRUCTURE IS A PROJECT OF CONSUMPTION.
NOT MEANINGFUL DEVELOPMENT.
IT DEVOURS VALUABLE OPEN GREENSPACE WITHOUT OFFERING REAL
BENEFITS TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS OR THE COMMUNITY.
TRUE DEVELOPMENT ENHANCES A NEIGHBORHOOD BUT THIS PROJECT
ONLY TAKES AWAY.

BEYOND A TOKEN SIDEWALK AND MID BLOCK CROSS WALK, WHAT
GENUINE VALUE DOES IT PROVIDE TO THE ELDERLY SENIOR
RESIDENTS AT THE PRESBYTERIAN APARTMENTS, ACROSS THE STREET
OR TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE AROUND IT.
THIS PROJECT STRIPS THEM OF OPEN SURROUNDINGS, REPLACING IT
WITH CONCRETE, CONGESTION AND SAFETY CONCERNS.
MOREOVER, THIS PROJECT THREATENS TO DESTROY THE LIVELIHOOD
OF THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB, A PHILANTHROPIC ORGANIZATION THAT
HAS SERVED THE TAMPA COMMUNITY FOR DECADES.
THE CLUB RELIES ON THE PICTURESQUE OUTDOOR SETTING TO
ATTRACT WEDDINGS, EVENTS, AND COMMUNITY GATHERINGS, CRITICAL
SOURCES OF REVENUE THAT SUSTAIN ITS CHARITABLE INITIATIVES
AND EDUCATION PROGRAMS.
THE LOOMING HIGH-RISE AND PARKING STRUCTURE WOULD OVERSHADOW
THE CLUB'S SCENIC APPEAL, DRIVING AWAY POTENTIAL CLIENTS AND
JEOPARDIZING ITS FINANCIAL STABILITY.
THE RESULTING NOISE, TRAFFIC CONGESTION, FLOODING AND LOSS
OF GREENSPACE WOULD FURTHER ERODE THE TRANQUIL ATMOSPHERE
THAT MAKES THE GARDEN CLUB A BELOVED COMMUNITY ASSET.
I'M GOING TO PUT ON THE OVERHEAD, THIS IS THE COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN.
1.3.5 IN THE POLICY RECOGNIZE THAT EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS AN
-- HAS ASSETS THAT IDENTIFY THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND CONTRIBUTE
TO THE WELL-BEING OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE.
UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE ARE -- UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE ARE AND

LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO ENHANCE THEM.
TREES, LARGE YARDS, SCHOOLS, PEOPLE, AND INDEPENDENT
BUSINESSES.
INSTEAD OF FOSTERING GROWTH AND ENRICHMENT, IT THREATENS TO
CONSUME AND DISMANTLE THE VERY ELEMENTS THAT MAKE THE AREA
-- THIS AREA OF BAYSHORE BOULEVARD A UNIQUE AND VIBRANT.
THE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT YOU HAVE BEEN
PRESENTED WITH TONIGHT ARE VERY CLEAR.
THIS IS THE WRONG BUILDING FOR THIS LOCATION.
WE HAVE REPEATEDLY STATED THAT A SMALLER DEVELOPMENT THAT
FITS INTO THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE
SUPPORTED.
PLEASE DENY THIS ZONING.
THANK YOU.
9:53:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
COURTNEY HOENING.
ALAN COHN.
JOE ROBINSON.
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:54:08PM >> COURTNEY HOENING.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF PICTURES.
DO I PUT THEM ON THE ELMO OR HOW DOES THAT WORK?
9:54:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
WE'VE GOT THEM AND WE'LL GET THEM UP ON THE BIG SCREEN.
9:54:21PM >> COURTNEY HOENING, CIVIC CHAIR FOR THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB

AND ALSO A RESIDENT OF SOUTH TAMPA.
NO ONE LIVES IN THE GARDEN CLUB, BUT NO ONE LIVES IN THE
SYNAGOGUE EITHER.
AS CIVIC CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU THAT THE TAMPA
GARDEN CLUB HAS BEEN ON BAYSHORE SINCE 1929.
GREENSPACE IS OUR BUSINESS.
WE GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY ON A DAILY BASIS BY DOING
EVERYTHING FROM PLANTING TREES ALL OVER THE CITY, FUNDING
AND WORKING WITH COMMUNITY GARDENS.
WE HELP PROVIDE SCHOLARSHIPS FOR UP AND COMING COLLEGE
STUDENTS.
OFFER KIDS A SUMMER CAMP AND ALSO HELP OUR LOCAL PARKS.
NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH IS FRED BALL PARK.
WITH REGARD TO OUR VENUE BUSINESS, YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT WE
ARE ALSO A SMALL BUSINESS.
WE ARE A CENTURY OLD WOMEN-OWNED BUSINESS.
WE ARE A QUIET OASIS IN A BUSY CITY.
THAT IS WHAT DRIVES BRIDES TO US.
WE ARE MUCH QUIETER AND MORE PEACEFUL, AFFORDABLE VENUE FOR
AN OUTDOOR WEDDING AND WE GIVE BRIDES A QUIETER ALTERNATIVE
TO THE BUSYNESS OF DOWNTOWN.
WE ARE AN OASIS ALONG BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
OUR GUESTS APPRECIATE OUR QUIET SPACE IN AN EVER GROWING
CITY.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATES THAT REZONING REQUESTS CANNOT

BE DETRIMENTAL TO SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS AND TO
SURROUNDING BUSINESSES -- EXCUSE ME, NEIGHBORING BUSINESSES.
WANTING TO KEEP OUR BUSINESS SUCCESSFUL AND IN TURN SUPPORT
OUR COMMUNITY DOES NOT MAKE US A BAD NEIGHBOR.
YOU HEARD AT YOUR WORKSHOP THIS MORNING ABOUT HOW DEVELOPERS
CAN CREATE PARKING ISSUES WHEN THEY DEVELOP LARGE PROJECTS.
THE BUILDING OF THESE LARGE TOWERS AND THE CONSTRUCTION
WOULD CERTAINLY NEGATIVELY AFFECT OUR BUSINESS AND OUR
ABILITIES TO CONTINUE TO GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE WOULD LIKE TO REMAIN -- WE WANT THE SYNAGOGUE TO REMAIN
OUR FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR AND WE WANT TO ENJOY OUR TIME WITH
THEM.
AS A RESIDENT OF SOUTH TAMPA I WOULD SAY TO YOU THIS IS THE
LAST REMAINING GREENSPACE ON BAYSHORE.
YOU HEAR THAT AND MIGHT THINK, WOW, THE ONLY ONE LEFT.
DEVELOPERS SEE DOLLAR SIGNS WHILE RESIDENTS SEE IT AS A
RETREAT.
A GREENSPACE THAT IS SURROUNDED BY A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH MUCH
LOWER DENSITY AND A BEAUTIFULLY CHERISHED PART OF THE
BAYSHORE COMMUNITY.
WE CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE IT.
PLEASE REMEMBER THE ISSUES THAT CAME UP DURING YOUR WORKSHOP
THIS MORNING AS YOU'RE MAKING YOUR DECISION TONIGHT AND
BETTER COMMUNITIES INCLUDE GREENSPACE.
WE ASK THAT YOU PLEASE DENY THE REZONING REQUEST TONIGHT.

THANK YOU.
9:56:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALAN COHN.
JOE ROBINSON, STEVEN SILVERMAN.
HELLO, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:56:59PM >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
I'M ALAN COHN.
I WANT TO TAKE ONE EXCEPTION TO THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER.
CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM IS A HOUSE OF WORSHIP AND IT IS A
HOME TO THE JEWISH COMMUNITY IN TAMPA.
LET ME TELL YOU WHY IT'S IMPORTANT.
MOST OF YOU KNOW ME FROM POLITICS.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY ONE OF YOU KNOW I AM ALSO A FORMER
SYNAGOGUE PRESIDENT OF A CONSERVATIVE SYNAGOGUE JUST LIKE
RODEPH SHALOM.
MY SYNAGOGUE WAS IN TORRINGTON, CONNECTICUT, AND I WORKED MY
BUTT OFF FOR YEARS TO MAKE SURE IT KEPT ITS DOORS OPENED.
AFTER WE MOVED DOWN HERE, THEY CLOSED THEIR DOORS.
IT'S NO LONGER THERE.
IT'S THAT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO BE A JEWISH FAMILY IN THAT
PART OF CONNECTICUT TODAY.
RODEPH SHALOM IS THE ONLY CONSERVATIVE SYNAGOGUE IN THE CITY
OF TAMPA.
IT'S PART OF A COMMUNITY WITH SCHAARAI ZEDEK AND OTHER

SYNAGOGUES THAT MAKE TAMPA A UNIQUELY APPEALING PLACE FOR
JEWISH CITIZENS TO MOVE WITH THEIR FAMILIES, LIVE AND WORK
AND PAY TAXES.
NOW, I KNOW THIS IS A DIFFICULT DECISION FOR ALL OF YOU, AND
THERE HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLY PASSIONATE SPEAKERS ON BOTH SIDES
OF THE ISSUE HERE TONIGHT.
SOMETIMES A LITTLE BIT TOO PASSIONATE.
BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COMMUNITY THAT WE LOVE A GREAT
DEAL.
MY PURPOSE IN SPEAKING TO YOU TONIGHT IS TO REAFFIRM WHAT
OTHER SPEAKERS HAVE SAID.
THIS PROJECT IS IMPORTANT TO THE ENTIRE JEWISH COMMUNITY OF
THE CITY OF TAMPA.
AND THEY ARE NOT ASKING FOR A SINGLE PENNY IN TAXPAYER
DOLLARS.
AS IT HAS BEEN MENTIONED, THERE ARE SYNAGOGUES, CHURCHES AND
HOUSES OF WORSHIP THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY THAT ARE CLOSING
THEIR DOORS TODAY BECAUSE OF CHANGING DEMOGRAPHICS AND THE
CHANGING LIFESTYLE OF AMERICANS.
SOME CHURCHES PUT UP CELL PHONE TOWERS, WHICH I DON'T THINK
EXACTLY WOULD FIT INTO BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
THIS SYNAGOGUE HAS FOUND AN ANSWER FOR ITS FUTURE WITHOUT
ASKING ANYTHING FROM THIS CITY.
AND SO IN CLOSING TONIGHT, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR
ATTENTION TO THIS ISSUE.

AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANTICIPATED APPROVAL
BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE JEWISH COMMUNITY IN TAMPA
WILL REMEMBER FOR YEARS TO COME.
THANK YOU.
9:59:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
JOE ROBINSON.
STEVEN SILVERMAN.
LINDSEY MORGAN.
WAIT, MR. ROBINSON IS COMING UP.
THEN MR. SILVERMAN.
YOU'LL BE NEXT, SIR.
HELLO, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:00:03PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. ROBINSON, DO YOU HAVE A NUMBER TO
DEPOSIT IN THAT LITTLE BASKET IN FRONT OF YOU?
10:00:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DID HE GET A NUMBER?
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, SIR.
10:00:26PM >> JOE ROBINSON.
ON BEHALF OF MY JEWISH SISTER, MY NIECES AND NEPHEWS IN
CANADA, I'VE BEEN ASKED TO REVIEW THE PROJECT AND GIVE MY
PROFESSIONAL OPINION.
DIDN'T KNOW I HAD A JEWISH SISTER, DID YOU?
FIRST OF ALL, YOUR ROLE TONIGHT IS TO MITIGATE OR LITIGATE.
WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
MITIGATE TO LITIGATE, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

YOUR ROLE TONIGHT IS LEGISLATIVE.
YOUR ROLE TONIGHT IS DETERMINED IF THIS IS LEGALLY MEDIATED
SETTLEMENT, APPROPRIATE SOLUTION TONIGHT.
AS YOU'RE SEEING, THERE'S HOSTILITY IN THE AIR.
IT'S SAD THAT THE OPPOSITION IS DISRESPECTFUL TO YOU AND
OTHERS IN THESE CHAMBERS.
FACTS TONIGHT.
PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF HAS FOUND THIS MEASURE USE SITE
PLAN CONSISTENT.
CITY OF TAMPA LAND USE ZONING STAFF FIND IT CONSISTENT.
GREENSPACE, BUFFERING, YOU KNOW, TREES, NATURAL RESOURCES
HAVE FOUND CONSISTENT.
RELATED GROUP IN WEST TAMPA HAS DONE A GREAT JOB.
I'VE WORKED WITH THEM IN WEST TAMPA FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW.
YEAH, THERE ARE ISSUES SOMETIMES WITH CONTRACTORS THEY USE.
BUT THEY BELIEVE IN ART.
IF THIS IS APPROVED THEY'LL HAVE OUR ART EVERYWHERE ON THIS
PROJECT.
THE THING ABOUT RELATED IS THAT THEY ARE BEING THE VERY
FIRST DEVELOPER TO EVER ENTER OR OFFER A SIGNED COMMUNITY
BENEFIT AGREEMENT IN THE HISTORY OF TAMPA FOR ROME YARD.
NOBODY HAS EVER DONE THAT.
SO THESE GUYS AREN'T BAD GUYS.
SOMETIMES THEY MIGHT HAVE GUYS DOING WORK FOR THEM THAT
DON'T NECESSARILY TAKE CARE OF DOING CONSTRUCTION THE PROPER

WAY.
THEY KNOW ABOUT COMMUNITY BENEFITS.
IT SPEAKS VOLUMES TO THE INTENT TO BE A GOOD DEVELOPER.
CONCERN AND SENSITIVE TO THE AREAS OF TAMPA THEY DEVELOP.
DO YOU WANT TO MITIGATE OR LITIGATE?
THESE PEOPLE READY TO MEDIATE.
THESE PEOPLE OVER HERE, THEY ARE READY TO LITIGATE.
SO IT DOESN'T MATTER.
THIS IS A MEDIATED SETTLEMENT.
IF YOU VOTE NO, IT PROBABLY WILL BE A LITIGATION.
DON'T ROLL THE DICE.
WE ALREADY ROLLED THE DICE OVER AT HARBOUR ISLAND WITH THE
HOTEL.
ALREADY A JUDGE SAYING THAT CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE
AUTHORITY THROUGH THE CONSTITUTION TO EVEN HEAR ZONING
HEARINGS.
PLEASE, LET'S GET THIS OVER WITH.
THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST MEDIATED SETTLEMENT I'VE EVER SEEN
COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
YOU KNOW I DON'T BE DOWN HERE AT NIGHT.
BUT BECAUSE OF MY JEWISH SISTER, BEEN OVER THERE AT THIS
RODEPH SHALOM BACK IN THE STAY, STAYING IN FLORIDA, SHE NOW
IN TORONTO, CANADA, I HAD TO COME DOWN AND RESPECT MY
SISTERS, MY NEPHEWS -- I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT FOR THE
RECORD.

ONCE AGAIN, CHARLIE, HASTA LUEGO.
I'M OUT OF TIME.
10:03:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
STEVEN SILVERMAN AND LINDSEY MORGAN.
10:03:39PM >> GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS STEVEN SILVERMAN.
I'M A RESIDENT OF SOUTH TAMPA.
I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF RODEPH SHALOM.
AND I'M A COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE BROKER.
WE HEARD TONIGHT A LOT OF REALLY COMPLICATED ARGUMENTS AND I
DON'T ENVY YOU MAKING DECISIONS BECAUSE BY COMPLICATING
THINGS IT MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT.
I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY MAYBE AN APARTMENT BEHIND DOESN'T WANT
A BUILDING TO GO UP IN FRONT OF THEM, BUT THEY KNEW WHEN
THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY THAT THEY WEREN'T THE FRONT OF THE
BAYSHORE.
WE HAVE TO KEEP THINGS SIMPLE.
THE WAY I TRY TO KEEP THINGS SIMPLE IN MY LIFE IS I GO TO
PROFESSIONALS.
I CAN DO MY TAXES BUT I GO TO A CPA.
I GUESS I COULD CURE MYSELF BUT I GO TO A DOCTOR.
TAMPA HAS -- AS A COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE BROKER, I'VE BEEN
TO THEM.
I SENT THEM SOME QUESTIONS EARLIER THIS WEEK.
THEY ARE RESPONSIVE AND THEY ARE THOUGHTFUL AND THEY SAY NO
AND THEY ALSO GIVE GUIDANCE.

I THINK YOU HAVE PROFESSIONALS WHO HAVE ALREADY LOOKED AT
THIS, CONSIDERED ALL THE ANGLES AND SAID THIS IS SOMETHING
THAT WORKS FOR TAMPA.
10:05:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. SILVERMAN, I HAVE TO STOP YOU.
YOU WERE NOT SWORN IN.
IF YOU COULD RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND WE'LL SWEAR YOU IN.
I APOLOGIZE.
10:05:10PM >> DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU HAVE
ALREADY PROVIDED AND CONTINUE TO PROVIDE IS NOTHING BUT THE
TRUTH?
10:05:16PM >> I DO.
10:05:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, SIR.
10:05:22PM >> EVERY PROPERTY OWNER HAS THE INALIENABLE RIGHT TO ACHIEVE
THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THE PROPERTY.
IT IS THE KIND OF THING THAT COMES BEFORE ZONING ALL THE
TIME.
THE GARDEN CLUB I THINK IS A BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY, BUT THEY
HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO ACHIEVE THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THE
PROPERTY.
THEY HAVE THIS BEAUTIFUL GREENSPACE, BUT THAT'S THEIR
CHOICE.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT A NEIGHBOR SHOULD BE PREVENTED
FROM ACHIEVING THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THEIR SPACE.
I THINK THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE APPROVED BECAUSE IT

IS CONSISTENT WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND AND YOU SEE WHAT'S REALLY
GOING ON IN TAMPA RIGHT NOW.
I THINK IT IS PROBABLY THE GARDEN CLUB THAT'S NOT
CONSISTENT, BUT I HOPE THEY STAY FOREVER BECAUSE I THINK IT
IS A BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY AND IT ADDS TO THE CITY.
BUT I THINK COMMON SENSE COMING OUT OF THIS WOULD SAY THAT
THE PROJECT SHOULD BE APPROVED.
THANK YOU.
10:06:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
LINDSEY MORGAN.
YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM AND THE ATTORNEY WILL READ
OFF THE NAMES IF YOU HAND IT TO HIM.
THEN WE HAVE SANDY PEACEMAN ONLINE.
10:06:36PM >> PART OF OUR TEAM.
10:06:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LINDSEY MORGAN IS OUR LAST SPEAKER.
10:06:42PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BEFORE YOU BEGIN, KATHERINE WALLACE,
PLEASE.
AND KIM NORMAN.
THANK YOU.
TWO ADDITIONAL MINUTES FOR A TOTAL OF FIVE.
10:06:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:06:54PM >> LINDSEY MORGAN.
I LIVE AT 5102 BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS ON THIS
ISSUE TONIGHT.

I KNOW IT'S LATE.
I CAME STRAIGHT FROM WORK WITHOUT DINNER.
AGAIN, APPRECIATE YOU HEARING ME OUT HERE.
I AM ALSO A NEWER RESIDENT OF TAMPA.
I MOVED HERE FROM CHICAGO IN 2015.
I BOUGHT MY TOWNHOME IN 2017.
MY FAVORITE THINGS ABOUT TAMPA ARE GASPARILLA.
I LOVE IT MORE THAN CHRISTMAS.
I LOVE THE NATURAL BEAUTY HERE AND MY FAVORITE THING ABOUT
TAMPA IS THE WAY THIS CITY COMES TOGETHER, WHETHER IT'S FOR
A LIGHTNING GAME OR BACK-TO-BACK HURRICANES, I HAVE NEVER IN
ALL THE PLACES I'VE LIVED, I HAVE NEVER SEEN A SPIRIT LIKE
WHAT WE HAVE IN TAMPA.
EVEN IN MY SHORT TIME HERE, THE FACE OF BAYSHORE HAS CHANGED
DRAMATICALLY SPOUTING HIGH-RISES WHERE I USED TO SEE BLUE
SKIES AND GREENSPACE ON MY BAYSHORE WALKS.
I MOVED HERE.
I WAS RECRUITED BY A LAW FIRM.
THOSE LATE-NIGHT WALKS ALONG BAYSHORE PROVIDED ME
MUCH-NEEDED SPACE FOR RESPITE AND REFLECTION.
I SPEND A LOT OF TIME THERE.
AN EARLIER SPEAKER SAID THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD NOT ADVERSELY
AFFECT OUR HOMES, NOT ONLY DO I DISAGREE, I'M HERE TONIGHT
TO SHARE THREE IMPACTS I ALREADY FELT AT HOME ATTRIBUTABLE
TO THE CUMULATIVE DEVELOPMENT ON BAYSHORE AND ASK YOU TO

OPPOSE THE DEVELOPMENT.
THOSE THREE IMPACTS ARE SAFETY, IMPACTS ON HOMEOWNERS
INSURANCE, THE AVAILABILITY AND COST, AND CHANGING QUALITY
OF LIFE.
SAFETY PRIMARILY I ALSO LIKE ANOTHER SPEAKER, I'M IN
EVACUATION ZONE A.
I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE CUMULATIVE IMPACT OF HAVING MORE
PEOPLE IN A DENSE AREA THAT MAKES IT HARDER AND RISKIER TO
EVACUATE IN CASES OF EMERGENCY, LIKE THE BACK-TO-BACK
HURRICANES WE HAD THIS PAST OCTOBER.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT FLOODING AND STORM SURGE.
AGAIN, CUMULATIVE IMPACT OF DEVELOPMENT IN A CONCENTRATED
AREA INCREASES STORM SURGE LEADING TO POSSIBLE PERMANENT
DAMAGE TO OUR AREA.
IMPACT ON HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE, I WAS ALARMED THIS YEAR
PERSONALLY TO RECEIVE NOTICE THAT I COULD NOT OBTAIN
HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE ON THE PRIVATE MARKET.
I HAD TO NAVIGATE THAT PROCESS OF GOING THROUGH CITIZENS
WHICH I'M VERY THANKFUL, OF COURSE, THAT THE STATE OF
FLORIDA HAS SET UP, BUT EVEN AS A RESPONSIBLE WORKER WHO IS
FAIRLY SUCCESSFUL, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT MY ABILITY TO OBTAIN
AND AFFORD HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE IN THE FUTURE.
THAT'S TO SAY NOTHING FOR MY OLDER NEIGHBORS WHO MIGHT NOT
BE WORKING ANYMORE AND THEY MAY NOT HAVE THE SAME ABILITY.
MY LAST POINT RELATES TO THE CHANGING QUALITY OF LIFE AS A

BAYSHORE RESIDENT.
IN THE PAST TEN YEARS, I'VE NOTICED AN INCREASE IN NOISE AND
CONGESTION.
BAYSHORE IS INCREASINGLY NOISY AND UNFORTUNATELY UNPLEASANT
TO LIVE IN, WALK AROUND AND KIND OF BE AROUND.
INCREASED TRAFFIC AND AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF LOUD CARS
AND MOTORCYCLES THAT JUST ARE KIND OF NATURAL CONSEQUENCES
OF DEVELOPMENT MAKE IT REALLY DIFFICULT TO ENJOY MY BELOVED
LONG WALKS ON BAYSHORE AND EVEN FRANKLY TO SIT IN MY HOME.
MY OFFICE IS ON THE TOP FLOOR OF MY TOWNHOME AND IT FACES
BAYSHORE AND IT'S VERY NOISY.
AGAIN, A CONSEQUENCE OF DEVELOPMENT.
I'D LIKE TO CONCLUDE BY JUST SHARING WHAT I VALUE ABOUT
TAMPA IS UNIQUE URBAN EXPERIENCE.
I ENJOY BEING A MEMBER OF THE SOUTH OF GANDY COMMUNITY
GARDEN.
I ENJOY THE OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND WORLD-CLASS MAJOR LEAGUE
SPORTING EVENTS, BEAUTIFUL, GREAT RESTAURANTS.
THE HOTELS THAT WE HAVE HERE AND THEN GO SATURDAY MORNING
AND MEET MY FRIENDS AND PUT MY HANDS IN THE DIRT AND DIG,
PULL UP MY OWN RADISHES, CARROTS, STRAWBERRIES.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE BALANCE BEING HERE.
I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE LOSING WITH THE CUMULATIVE IMPACT
OF DEVELOPMENT ON BAYSHORE, WE'RE NOT MIAMI.
WE'RE TAMPA.

I'M CONCERNED WITH THE ADDITION, WITH EACH ADDITION OF
HIGH-RISE WE LOSE THE CHARACTER THAT MAKES US TAMPA.
TREES, GREEN GRASS AND FRESH AIR THAT WE HAVE NOW ARE EASY
TO TAKE FOR GRANTED BUT IT BECOMES -- THEY ALL BECOME
INCREASINGLY PRECIOUS WITH EACH CONCRETE BLOCK THAT CHANGES
THE FACE OF BAYSHORE.
THANK YOU.
10:11:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
NOW WE GO TO REBUTTAL.
10:11:35PM >> I KNOW IT'S GETTING LATE.
TWO REQUESTS.
JAKE CREMER FOR THE RECORD.
WE'VE BEEN LISTENING TO PUBLIC COMMENT SINCE ABOUT 6:30.
I THINK NORMALLY I WOULD GET FIVE MINUTES.
I WOULD ASK IF I COULD HAVE 12 MINUTES TOTAL AND WE TAKE A
THREE-MINUTE RECESS SO WE CAN GATHER OUR THOUGHTS AND GET
OUT OF HERE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
10:12:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD MAKE A MOTION FOR 15 MINUTE
REBUTTAL CONSIDERING THE AMOUNT OF TESTIMONY WE'VE HEARD
TONIGHT.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE REASONABLE.
10:12:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT?
10:12:11PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'LL SECOND.
10:12:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THERE IS A SECOND.

COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:12:15PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO MAKE SURE, YOU HAVE 15 MINUTES,
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE MINUTES ON THE OTHER SIDE?
10:12:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE MAXIMUM WAS TEN MINUTES WITH THE
SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND FOR 15 MINUTES.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
10:12:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
10:12:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
10:12:46PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
10:12:48PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
10:12:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
10:12:52PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
10:12:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
10:12:57PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY -- SORRY, SORRY,
SORRY.
IT'S 4 OVER 3.
IT'S 4 FOR YES AND 3 FOR NO.
HURTAK, MIRANDA AND MANISCALCO VOTING NO.
10:13:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AND THERE WAS A REQUEST TO TAKE A RECESS?
YOU HAD ASKED FOR A TIME --
10:13:28PM >> IN LIGHT OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT SINCE 6:
30, JUST A BRIEF
BREAK.
10:13:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHEN DO YOU WANT THE BREAK, NOW?
10:13:36PM >> YES, SIR.

10:13:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU WANT A THREE-MINUTE RECESS.
WE'LL RECESS FOR THREE MINUTES.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
[RECESS]
10:19:44PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
10:19:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
10:19:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
10:19:46PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PRESENT.
10:19:48PM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
10:19:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
10:19:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
10:19:50PM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
10:19:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO THE MOTION -- YOU HAVE 15 MINUTES
REBUTTAL, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND START THE CLOCK.
10:19:59PM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
JAKE CREMER FOR THE RELATED GROUP.
I HAVE SEVERAL EXPERTS FOR YOU AND THEN BRING IT IN FOR A
CLOSE.
10:20:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
PLEASE COME ON UP AND STATE YOUR NAME.
10:20:10PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON OR GOOD EVENING.
STEVE HENRY, LINKS AND ASSOCIATES.
33607.
YOU HEARD TRAFFIC EXPERT REGARDING TRAFFIC TODAY.

ONE OF THEM WAS THE QUEUING AT YSABELLA AND BAY TO BAY AND
ALSO THE CUT-THRU TRAFFIC.
THE REALITY IS THAT THIS PROJECT WILL SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE
THE TRAFFIC GOING FROM A DAY CARE TO THE 38 CONDOS.
ACTUALLY A REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC.
IT'S NOT GOING TO INCREASE THE CUT-THRU.
NOT GOING TO INCREASE THE QUEUING.
IT ACTUALLY WILL DECREASE THOSE.
WON'T AFFECT THE CUT-THRU BUT WILL DECREASE THE QUEUING
BECAUSE DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT YOU SEE DURING
THE PEAK HOURS.
THANK YOU.
10:20:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
YES, SIR, COME ON UP.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:20:59PM >> ARTIE CINTRON.
KIMLEY-HORN, CIVIL CONSULTANT.
201 NORTH FRANKLIN.
QUICKLY TOUCH BASE ON SOME OF THE STORMWATER AND FLOODPLAIN
POINTS.
THE SITE WILL BE REQUIRED TO RETAIN AND PLANNING ITS
STORMWATER COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA REQUIREMENTS
RESULTING IN DISCHARGE LEVEL SIGNIFICANTLY BELOW
PREDEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS.
20 TO 30 PERCENT REDUCTION IN THE RATE THAT CURRENTLY LEAVES

THE SITE RIGHT NOW.
ADDITIONALLY, THE SITE LOWERS THE IMPERVIOUS AREA OR IN THE
POST CONDITION LOWERS IMPERVIOUS AREA THAT IT IS TODAY.
THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE FEMA FLOOD ZONE AE OF
ELEVATION 11.
THE SITE WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE AT LEAST ONE FOOT ABOVE THAT
BASE LEVEL ELEVATION SIMILAR TO ALL OF THE OTHER TOWERS IN
THAT BASE FLOOD.
HERE TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
10:21:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
YES, SIR.
COME ON UP.
STATE YOUR NAME.
10:21:54PM >> DAVID SMITH, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT, STEARNS WEAVER
MILLER.
I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION TONIGHT BY THE EXPERT
THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED BY ALTURA AND THE GARDENS.
THERE IS A SIMILAR THING THAT PERMEATES ALL THE DISCUSSION.
IT IS A MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE CONSISTENCY MATRIX.
YOUR STAFF -- FOUND BOTH OF THESE CONSISTENT WITH THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THE REASON YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IN THE STAFF REPORT ALL THE
THINGS THAT THEIR EXPERTS REPORT IS BECAUSE THOSE HAVE BEEN
EVALUATED AND DETERMINED THEY ARE NOT ISSUES.
SO WHAT I WANT TO CLARIFY IS THAT THIS IS A CASE STUDY THAT
WAS DONE, THAT WE'VE DONE THAT LOOKED AT IF YOU TOOK THE
ASSUMPTION THAT IN R 35 YOU CAN ONLY HAVE 8-STORY BUILDINGS,
WHAT THAT IMPACT WOULD MEAN TO EVERY DECISION YOU'VE
RECENTLY MADE RELATIVE TO THE WAY THEY HAVE INTERPRETED IT.
HERE YOU HAVE R-35, ADALIA BAYFRONT CONDOMINIUM.
DEVELOPED AT 10 STORIES.
RM 24 AS THEY SAY IN THE REPORT.
24 AND 35 IS THE HIGHEST ZONING YOU CAN HAVE YOU CAN ONLY
HAVE FIVE STORIES.
CLEARLY THIS IS DEVELOPED AT TEN STORIES.
IT'S NOT DEVELOPED AT 50 FEET AND TALL.
THE ALTURA, ALTURA IS, HATE TO SAY IT, WE GOT OURS. YOU
CAN'T HAVE YOURS.
TOO BAD.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMP PLAN CATEGORY, CMU 35.
YOU TAKE THE ASSUMPTION MADE BY THE EXPERT.
GO TO THE CATEGORY, IT SAYS RM 24 IS THE EUCLIDEAN ZONING
THAT APPLIES.
MOST STORIES YOU CAN HAVE, 50 FEET.
FIVE STORIES.
IT IS NOT APPROVED AT 50 FEET, FIVE STORIES AND IT WAS FOUND

CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CONSISTENT WITH THE
LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
RITZ CARLSON, SIMILAR.
R-50.
27 STORIES.
8 STORIES IS WHAT IT SAYS TYPICAL IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN,
TYPICAL CATEGORIES, BUT IF YOU GO TO THE CONSISTENCY MATRIX,
IT WOULD SAY RM 35 IS THE ZONING CATEGORY.
THAT WOULD BE CAPPED AT 120 FEET.
CLEARLY THAT DEVELOPMENT IS NOT AT 120 FEET.
IT IS OVER 308.
SIMILAR -- LASTLY, THE YMCA, SIMILAR ARGUMENTS, RENOVATIONS
BEING DONE.
PROPOSE PD AMENDMENT.
WE WANT TO KEEP THE Y.
WE WANT TO BUILD A NEW ONE, SAVE THE HISTORIC USES, SERVE
THE COMMUNITY.
HERE WE ARE.
THEY HAD CC-35 AND DID A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT TO UMU 60.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT CC-35, THE HEIGHTS WOULD BE FIVE STORIES.
LOOK AT UMU 60, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT WOULD BE 200 FEET.
THE YMCA PROPERTIES WERE APPROVED AT HIGHER THAN 200 FEET.
SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO POINT OUT IS THAT WHILE THE EXPERTS
THAT THEY HAVE HIRED HAVE LOOKED AT THE CODE, IT'S TYPICALLY
ANOTHER PERSON FROM OUT OF TOWN LOOKING AT IT, SAYING THIS

IS WHAT THE CODE SAYS.
YOUR STAFF HAS LOOKED AT IT, THEY KNOW WHAT THE CODE SAYS.
COMP PLAN LOOKED AT BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THEY KNOW WHAT IT SAYS.
THE STUDIES HERE SHOW THAT PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED
DO NOT FOLLOW THAT LINE OF THINKING IN THEORY.
THEREFORE, THESE PROJECTS APPROVED HIGHER THAN WHAT THEY
CLAIM THEY WOULD BE CAPPED AT BASED UPON THEIR READING OF
THE CONSISTENCY MATRIX.
THAT IS ALL BECAUSE I KNOW IT IS A LATE NIGHT.
BUT I THINK THAT PERMEATES A LOT OF THE CONVERSATIONS.
A LOT OF R-35, YOU CAN'T BE HIGHER.
ONE LAST COMMENT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, JUST BECAUSE R-35
DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF HIGH-RISES IN IT DOESN'T MEAN THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DIDN'T PROVIDE FOR THEM TO BE THERE.
IT JUST MEANS THAT WHEN YOU TYPICALLY PUT A CATEGORY ON A
LAND USE MAP, YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS THERE NOW THAT WE NEED TO
DESIGNATE IT SO IT'S NOT NONCONFORMING AND TO PROVIDE
POTENTIAL GROWTH WHICH IS PROVIDED FOR IN THE STANDARDS THAT
ALLOW FOR THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT THAT'S PROPOSED.
GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK IT IS SOMETHING
THAT NEEDED TO BE SAID IN THE LAST TWO HEARINGS AND TRY TO
CLEAR THE RECORD TONIGHT.
10:26:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:26:32PM >> JAKE CREMER AGAIN.

THE IRONY OF WHAT THE OPPOSING EXPERT HAD TO TELL US IS THAT
WE COULD BUILD UP TO AN EIGHT STORY BUILDING.
WHAT HE DIDN'T TELL YOU THAT WOULD INCREASE THE IMPACTS ON
HIS CLIENT, THAT WOULD DO AWAY WITH THE GRAND TREES ON THE
SITE.
THAT WOULD LEAVE THE ADJACENT PROPERTY RATHER THAN THE
30-FOOT TALL SYNAGOGUE THAT'S THERE NOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO
PUT A DEED RESTRICTION ON.
ALLOW US TO GO UP TO 8 STORIES.
MUCH, MUCH TALLER.
I'M NOT SAYING WE WANT TO DO THIS.
THIS IS THE CONTEXT THAT WE'RE LIVING IN AT THE SYNAGOGUE.
THIS IS THE CONTEXT WE'RE DEALING WITH -- THIS IS WHERE WE
COME FROM.
STARTED OUT TONIGHT BY TELLING YOU I WISH WHAT I WAS SHOWING
YOU TONIGHT WAS THE FIRST THING YOU SAW.
THOSE WEREN'T THE CARDS WE WERE DEALT.
IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT.
IT'S BEEN A SERIES OF LONG NIGHTS.
IT'S BEEN THREE LONG YEARS.
COUNCIL, I'M HERE BEFORE YOU WITH ABOUT TEN HOURS OF SLEEP
OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS.
MY DAUGHTER CARMEN WAS BORN.
SHE'S GOING TO BE A FOURTH GENERATION TAMPANIA.
I WANT HER TO BE PROUD OF THE CITY.

THIS BUILDING, THIS IS WHAT WE CAN BE PROUD OF IN THE CITY.
IT'S BEEN HARD.
WE ARM WRESTLED.
WE FOUGHT.
WE YELLED.
WE ARE THERE.
THIS IS IT.
THANK YOU.
10:28:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
ANYTHING FURTHER, MR. CREMER.
ANYTHING FURTHER?
THAT'S IT.
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
10:28:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT
THAT I'M NOT SURE OF BECAUSE I HEARD IN THE BEGINNING OF THE
DISCUSSION ABOUT TEN FOOT SIDEWALKS ON YSABELLA.
DESCRIBE WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR SIDEWALK AND MOBILITY ON
YSABELLA AND ALSO ON -- IS IT BARCELONA?
WHAT IS THE OTHER STREET?
BARCELONA.
WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR BARCELONA AND CAN YOU DESCRIBE YOUR
SIDEWALK PLAN FOR YSABELLA?
10:28:46PM >> YES, SIR.
10:28:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AND YOUR WIFE HAD A BABY THIS WEEK?
CONGRATULATIONS.

10:28:58PM >> THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN, ON BARCELONA, RATHER THAN A FIVE FOOT
SIDEWALK ON OUR SIDE WE'LL HAVE A SIX FOOT.
ON YSABELLA RATHER THAN FIVE FOOT WE'LL HAVE THE EIGHT FOOT
SIDEWALK.
AND THIS MAY BE GOING FURTHER THAN YOUR QUESTION, MAYBE NOT.
THE CHANGE THAT WE HAD REQUESTED MS. CARPENTER SPOKE ABOUT,
MID BLOCK CROSSING HERE AND THE SIDEWALK EXTENSION, SO WHAT
WE DID AFTER DISCUSSIONS WITH HER AND THE COMMUNITY MEETING
IS WE ADDED A SECOND SIDEWALK EXTENSION A LITTLE BIT FURTHER
UP.
THIS IS JUST OUTSIDE OF THE PRESBYTERIAN APARTMENTS.
WE MOVED THE CROSSWALK UP FURTHER NORTH.
10:29:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHERE DID I GET TEN FOOT?
BECAUSE I WROTE DOWN TEN FOOT SIDEWALK.
10:29:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SIX FOOT.
10:29:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SIX AND EIGHT YOU SAID?
10:29:58PM >> YES.
10:29:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SIX ON BARCELONA AND EIGHT FOOT ON
YSABELLA.
10:30:03PM >> YES, SIR.
10:30:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THAT THE ONLY, LIKE, NEIGHBORHOOD
BENEFIT THAT'S BEING PROVIDED IN THIS AGREEMENT?
10:30:12PM >> WE ALSO ARE GOING TO BE RESURFACING BARCELONA AND
YSABELLA AFTER THE CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETED.

WE'VE GOT NOTES ON THE SITE PLAN SHOWING WE'LL IMPROVE
STREET LIGHTING.
THAT WAS ANOTHER ISSUE WE HEARD ABOUT IN OUR COMMUNITY
MEETINGS.
AGAIN THE MID BLOCK CROSSING, WE THINK THAT IS ESSENTIAL FOR
SAFETY BASED ON ALL THE COMMENTS WE HEARD.
10:30:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO STAFF IS PAVING AND STREET LIGHTING
INCLUDED IN THE PLAN?
10:30:44PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
YES.
LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THAT IS CORRECT.
THAT IS INCLUDED.
THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED ARE EITHER NOTATED
ON THE SITE PLAN DIRECTLY OR THEY ARE INCLUDED AS A PART OF
THE GENERAL NOTES.
10:30:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:30:58PM >>LaCHONE DOCK:
ABSOLUTELY.
10:30:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:31:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO, I'M SORRY.
10:31:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:31:02PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JAKE, CONGRATULATIONS.
I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW YOU GUYS -- CONGRATULATIONS.
THE CASE STUDY SLIDE THAT WAS PRESENTED A FEW MINUTES AGO
HAD THE OPPOSITE IMPACT ON ME BECAUSE THE WAY I LOOK AT IT,
JUST BECAUSE SOME PRIOR COUNCIL MADE A MISTAKE DOESN'T MEAN

THAT WE SHOULD DO THE SAME THING.
CAN YOU PUT BACK -- THAT ACTUALLY HAD THE REVERSE IMPACT ON
ME.
CAN YOU PUT BACK THE SLIDE OF THE EIGHT STORIES, PLEASE,
WITH THE TREES?
THE ONE THAT HAS THE WHOLE FOOTPRINT -- THE ONE YOU PUT UP A
FEW MINUTES AGO.
IN MY MIND -- DO YOU HAVE THAT ONE -- THE ONE THAT SHOWS IF
YOU TOOK THE WHOLE FOOTPRINT OF THE LAND.
COULD YOU MAKE THE ARGUMENT -- TO ME, THIS IS -- THIS
POTENTIALLY IS ONE OF THE COMPELLING ARGUMENTS.
BUT COULD YOU MAKE THE ARGUMENT, OKAY, SINCE WE'RE
ACCOMMODATING THE GRAND TREES AND KEEPING AND PROTECTING THE
SYNAGOGUE, HOW DO ON A SQUARE FOOT BASIS OR HEIGHT BASIS,
CAN YOU SHOW ONE FOR ONE, WE HAVE THE SETBACK 20 FEET FOR A
TREE SO THAT PUTS US UP ANOTHER TEN FEET OR SOMETHING.
WHAT IS THE MATH TO THIS THAT GETS YOU UP TO WHERE YOU ALL
ARE?
IS THERE A MATH JUSTIFICATION FOR IT?
SO WE PROTECT FOUR TREES, BECAUSE OF THAT WE HAD TO GO UP
TWO FLOORS.
BECAUSE WE PROTECT THE SYNAGOGUE, UP TWO FLOORS.
HOW DO YOU GET UP TO THE DOUBLE HEIGHT FROM HERE?
10:32:49PM >> I THINK, COUNCILMAN, I CAN'T SHOW YOU A MATHEMATICAL
FORMULA.

BUT, YES, IT'S THE SITE CONSTRAINTS KEEPING IN MIND THAT WE
DON'T HAVE ANY WAIVERS, NONE.
WE REMOVED ONE PREEXISTING WAIVER.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, HOW MANY APPLICATIONS DO YOU SEE WITH NO
WAIVERS AND REMOVING WAIVERS?
WHEN YOU DO ALL OF THAT AND SHRINK THE FOOTPRINT --
10:33:14PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THIS,
VERSUS THIS FOOTPRINT, EIGHT STORIES VERSUS WHAT YOU'RE
PROPOSING?
10:33:21PM >> I DON'T.
10:33:27PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WELL, IN THEORY.
SOMEBODY JUST PUT THIS ON A MAP.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE MATH RELATED TO IT.
THE LAST QUESTION, THIS IS LEGISLATIVE, BUT THE LAWYERS --
THIS IS LEGISLATIVE BUT THE LAWYERS ALSO TOLD US WE SHOULD
TREAT IS LIKE QUASI-JUDICIAL AND LOOK AT COMPETENT,
SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
IF A HUNDRED PEOPLE IN RED SHIRTS COME AND SAY WE DON'T LIKE
BLUE HOUSES, THAT'S NOT COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
THE FACT THAT IT IS A RELIGIOUS PLACE AND THAT IT IS A
CERTAIN RELIGION IS NOT COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE UNDER
THE OTHER TEST.
COULD YOU JUST MAKE -- YOU'VE MADE YOUR REBUTTAL BUT COULD
MAKE YOUR LAST BEST ARGUMENT FOR WHY MAYBE THIS FOOTPRINT,
WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS BETTER THAN THIS FOOTPRINT BUT ALSO

WHAT IS THE BEST CASE FOR THE PROPOSAL?
I KNOW YOU'RE TIRED AND WE'RE ALL TIRED, BUT THE FINAL BEST
CASE FOR IT.
10:34:35PM >> SURE.
SO I WILL SAY I'M ON THE LEGAL SIDE.
THIS IS A SETTLEMENT.
I DIDN'T WANT TO GET INTO A WHOLE LOT OF LEGAL MUMBO JUMBO
TONIGHT.
I WILL SAY THERE IS CASE LAW OUT THERE THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO
BE VERY CAREFUL WHEN DEALING WITH RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS
BECAUSE YOU CAN'T ACCIDENTALLY TREAT THEM DIFFERENTLY.
I REVIEWED EVERY DENIAL THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS ISSUED IN THE
PAST TEN YEARS.
THIS CASE A YEAR AGO IS THE ONLY TIME IN A RESOLUTION THAT
COUNCIL HAS EVER USED THE TYPICAL EIGHT STORIES IN A DENIAL
FOR A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION.
I'M NOT SAYING ANYONE DID THIS ON PURPOSE.
I'M JUST SAYING THE CASE LAW SAYS YOU HAVE TO BE VERY
CAREFUL YOU DON'T EVEN ACCIDENTALLY TREAT A RELIGIOUS
INSTITUTION DIFFERENTLY.
I THINK THE COMP PLAN LANGUAGE, IT SAYS TYPICAL FOR A
REZONE.
IT SAYS TYPICAL BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE START THE
CONVERSATION.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU END UP WHEN YOU USE THE WORD TYPICAL

-- WHEN YOU END UP WITH -- WHEN YOU USE THE WORD TYPICAL,
YOU END UP WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT YOU SEE HERE,
WHICH TO YOUR POINT, COUNCILMAN, IT ENDS UP WITH EVERY
COUNCIL THINKING ABOUT IT DIFFERENTLY.
AND THAT'S NOT FAIR TO ANYONE.
IT'S NOT FAIR TO LANDOWNERS.
IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE NEIGHBORS.
IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND THAT'S A SITUATION WE HAVE UNFORTUNATELY FOUND OURSELVES
IN.
COUNCILMAN, ONE OF OUR TEAM MEMBERS JUST SHOWED ME A GRAPHIC
HERE GOING BACK TO THE EIGHT STORIES.
WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS ROUGHLY 220,000 GROSS SQUARE
FEET.
AND THEN KEEP IN MIND WE'RE DOWN TO 196.
SO WE HAVE SHRUNK THE BUILDING AND MADE IT SMALLER BECAUSE
WE THINK THE IMPACTS ARE LESS THAT WAY ON THE ENTIRE
COMMUNITY.
10:36:56PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE LAST QUESTION.
10:37:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
LET ME GO BACK IN HISTORY A LITTLE BIT.
10:37:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WAIT A MINUTE.
LET HIM FINISH AND I'LL GO TO YOU.
IT'S GOING TO BE CARLSON, CLENDENIN, MIRANDA.
10:37:08PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IT'S A LATE NIGHT, BUT IF IT WAS EARLY IN
THE NIGHT WE WOULD BE ASKING MORE QUESTIONS.

I THINK WE HAVE TO TREAT IT LIKE IT'S EARLY IN THE NIGHT.
SORRY, EVERYBODY.
ONE OTHER THING, JAKE, IS THAT THERE IS THE ARGUMENT MADE
THAT INVESTORS, PEOPLE WHO BUY PROPERTY WANT PREDICTABILITY.
AND PREDICTABILITY IS WHAT'S IN THE CODE.
SO THEY EXPECT, THEY INVEST AROUND A PROPERTY AND WE HAD A
LOT OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMEOWNERS COME HERE TONIGHT, BUT
INVEST AROUND A PROPERTY WITH PREDICTABILITY THAT PEOPLE
WILL FOLLOW THE CODE AND THE GOVERNMENT WILL FOLLOW THE
CODE.
IN A CASE LIKE THIS YOU ALL ARE ASKING FOR SOMETHING
DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS PREDICTABLE.
SO WHAT'S THE ARGUMENT -- MY LAST QUESTION -- WHAT IS THE
ARGUMENT FOR ALL THE PEOPLE EXPECTING PREDICTABILITY AND NOW
WE CHANGE THE RULES ON THEM?
10:38:15PM >> COUNCILMAN, I THINK THIS GOES BACK TO THE BAR CHART I
SHOWED EARLIER WHERE IF YOU RECALL WE PLOTTED OUT THE
HEIGHTS OF ALL THE DIFFERENT COLORS IN THE BAYSHORE GARDENS
NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE HAD A STAR.
YOU MIGHT RECALL ALMOST ALL OF THOSE HAD A STAR BECAUSE THEY
WERE NEAR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
WHAT THAT TELLS YOU IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, IN SOME CASES,
CERTAINLY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, SINGLE-FAMILY IS COMPATIBLE
WITH RESIDENTIAL AND WITH THESE TYPES OF RESIDENCES.

THAT'S WHAT WE'VE SEEN.
THAT IS THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IN THIS
NEIGHBORHOOD.
I WANT TO BE CLEAR, IT'S BETTER FOR THAT.
IT'S NOT A BAD THING.
THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS BETTER BECAUSE OF THE MIX OF TYPES OF
HOUSING.
10:39:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, I'LL GO TO YOU FIRST
AND THEN COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
10:39:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
BACK IN '74 IT WAS DUNCAN, COPELAND, SPICOLA, PLATT,
FREEDMAN, BARJA AND MYSELF.
BARJA WAS THE FIRST FEMALE ELECTED IN 1971 AND IN '74, TWO
MORE, JAN PLATT AND SANDY FREEDMAN.
THAT MAKES THREE.
I REMEMBER THEN, THEN THEY WERE REELECTED IN '75.
ONE-YEAR TERM WHEN GRECO LEFT TO GO WORK FOR -- GOT
APPOINTED CHAIRMAN WAS CHENEY BECAME THE MAYOR AND HE DIED A
FEW MONTHS LATER.
THAT'S WHY THEY HAD TO HAVE A SPECIAL ELECTION IN '74.
IF MY MIND SERVES ME CORRECTLY, BETWEEN SOMETIME IN '76 TO
'79, THIS COUNCIL, THAT COUNCIL I'M TALKING ABOUT, YOU CAN
VERIFY THIS, FIND IT IN THE RECORD SOMEWHERE, WE ALLOWED
FOUR TO FIVE BUILDINGS TO BE BUILT.
THAT WAS IT.

NOW HOW MANY DO WE HAVE?
IS THAT CHANGE?
WHAT IS THAT?
USED TO HAVE AN ICONIC DRIVE LIKE NO OTHER CITY HAS.
I WANT TO CARE ABOUT TAMPA LIKE THE REST OF US IN THIS ROOM.
NOW YOU HAVE MUCH MORE THAN FOUR OR FIVE.
LET ME GO BACK TO TRAFFIC.
IF YOU GO DOWN BAY TO BAY AND MacDILL, THERE ARE TWO BIG
TOWERS THERE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN FILLED BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT
OPEN YET, I DON'T BELIEVE.
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THEN?
JUST DOWN THE STREET THERE IS A WONDERFUL SCHOOL, GIRLS
SCHOOL, ACADEMY OF HOLY NAMES.
WONDERFUL.
GREAT FOR THE COMMUNITY, GREAT FOR KIDS.
GRADUATE BRILLIANT PEOPLE.
ONLY PROBLEM IS YOU CAN'T MAKE A LEFT OR A RIGHT BECAUSE IT
BACKS UP FROM THERE TO EUCLID AND THAT'S FIVE FOOTBALL
FIELDS.
THERE'S SOMETHING TO DO ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE THAT'S NEVER
MENTIONED IN ZONING MATTERS.
NEVER.
MAYBE THAT'S WHY A LOT OF PEOPLE CUCKOO IN THE HEAD.
I'M NOT SAYING IT'S ZONING.
DON'T GET ME WRONG.

RELATED GROUP A WELL-KNOWN COMPANY.
DONE VERY WELL FOR THEMSELVES AND THE COMMUNITY AND BUILD
GOOD PRODUCT.
THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
IT'S EITHER GREAT OR NOT SO GREAT AND IT'S NOT ABOUT THE
RELATED OR YOU OR THE PUBLIC OR ANYTHING ELSE.
IT IS ABOUT THE FACT THAT I SEE WHEN I DRIVE THAT STREET.
I DRIVE IT VERY OFTEN.
SO NO ONE IS ADDRESSING THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM.
NEVER BEEN A TRAFFIC COUNT THAT I KNOW OF IN THE LAST FIVE
YEARS, TEN YEARS, WHATEVER.
WHAT ABOUT THE FLOODING?
I WISH I COULD TELL YOU AND CONTROL AND SAY NO ONE WILL GET
FLOODED AGAIN.
I CAN'T.
I WOULD BE LYING.
FIRST OF ALL, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT NATURE IS GOING TO DO
ANYMORE.
NEVER SIX OR SEVEN HURRICANES COME OUT OF THE GULF.
USUALLY MAKE A LAND TURN.
THIS TIME MADE A RIGHT-HAND TURN.
FURTHERMORE, THE HURRICANE, THE LAST ONE WOULD HAVE GONE 8
MILES, TEN MILES THIS WAY, WE WOULDN'T BE TALKING HERE
TODAY.
WE WOULD STILL BE UNDER WATER.

THE WAY IT CAME, IT TOOK THE WATER OUT OF THE BAY.
EVEN THEN HAD WATER GOING OVER THE RAILING THERE.
I'M TELLING MYSELF WHERE DOES IT START?
DOES IT CONTINUE OR DOES IT STOP?
I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE.
YOU KNOW WHAT, I UNDERSTAND AND I'M NOT A LAWYER LIKE YOU
GUYS.
I'VE LISTENED TO LAWYERS TALK MY WHOLE LIFE.
WHEN I WAS IN FINANCE.
THREE IN THE FAMILY THAT ARE LAWYERS.
I DON'T EVEN TALK TO THEM ABOUT LAW AND THANK GOD THEY DON'T
TALK TO ME ABOUT LAW BECAUSE I WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND THEM.
BUT THERE'S SOMETHING MISSING IN LIFE WHERE I DON'T KNOW
WHERE TO START OR WHAT'S GOOD OR WHAT'S BAD ANYMORE.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN A CASE, MAYBE A LEGAL DEPARTMENT, CITY OF
TAMPA CAN CORRECT ME, WHERE WE GO AND SEND IT TO AN
INDIVIDUAL LIKE A JUDGE.
I'M NOT QUESTIONING THE JUDGE ABILITY.
DON'T GET ME WRONG.
EVERY MOTIVE AGAINST A DEVELOPER THAT I REMEMBER.
DOES THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT REMEMBER BEING REVERSED?
I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO ANSWER.
THESE ARE THE THINGS I SAY AND STARTED LISTENING.
ONLY THING I HAVE IS A BALD HEAD AND A GOOD MIND.
I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND A LIFE A LOT MORE THAN I USED TO.

WE COME FROM NOTHING.
EVERYBODY WAS HAPPY.
NOW MOST OF US HAVE A LOT AND NO ONE IS HAPPY.
THAT BOTHERS ME.
IT REALLY DOES.
I DON'T WANT -- I DON'T WANT TO LIVE ON BRICKELL AVENUE.
I WANT TO LIVE IN TAMPA LIKE IT WAS UP TO A POINT.
USED TO HAVE A STREETCAR THAT WENT ALL THE WAY TO BALLAST
POINT PARK.
BAYSHORE CHANGED AGAIN.
THERE'S NO STREETCAR.
PEOPLE THAT REALLY NEED A JOB -- GONE.
50 MILES OF STREETCAR IS GONE.
TRANSPORTATION IS NOT COMING BACK.
DON'T GIVE A HOOT AND HOLLER BECAUSE YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO PUT
IT IN.
IT'S A LOSING PROPOSITION UNLESS YOU HAVE LIGHT RAIL
OVERHEAD, NOT UNDER.
STREETS CAN'T HANDLE IT NO MORE.
TRAFFIC CAN'T HANDLE IT NO MORE.
NOWHERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA CAN YOU GO AND SAY I'LL BE
THERE IN 15 MINUTES.
NOWHERE.
IT IS WHAT IT IS AND WE ARE WHAT WE ARE.
YOU GUYS TRY TO GET WHAT YOU GAIN AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT THE ICONIC VIEW IS GONE.
NOT THAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO LAST FOREVER.
BUT NOW THIS ONE GOES, THE OTHER ONE GOES, WHAT DO WE HAVE
LEFT, BRICKELL AVENUE?
I DON'T THINK ANYONE IN THIS ROOM WANTS IT TO BE BRICKELL
AVENUE.
SO I JUST GOT TALKING ABOUT THE ZONING MATTERS.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WE'RE KILLING
OURSELVES.
NOT ONE OF THESE PROJECTS HAS ANYTHING FOR SOLAR, TO SAVE
THE ENVIRONMENT, TO SAVE THE FOOTPRINT, BUT YET WE WANT TO
GET APPROVED.
NOT ONE.
NOT ONE WHERE IT TALKED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE HURRICANES ARE COMING FOR, TO MAKE
FRIENDS?
THEY HAVE NO FRIENDS.
THE BAY WAS 2.5 DEGREES WARMER THIS YEAR THAN EVER BEFORE
AND IT'S GOING TO GET WARMER.
WHAT WE'RE FACING HERE IS A CATASTROPHE.
THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:46:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS INTERESTING.
I VOTED AGAINST THE PLAN LAST TIME.
I WAS GOING TO TELL MY POSITIONS ON IT.

DO YOU WANT TO CLOSE IT?
MOTION TO CLOSE.
10:46:42PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SECOND.
10:46:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU CAN DISCUSS IT AFTER YOU CLOSE THE
HEARING.
BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU'LL HAVE TO REOPEN THE
HEARING.
WHAT I'M GOING TO SUGGEST IS THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS THAT
WERE MADE AND THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS WHETHER WE GIVE
THE APPLICANT THE LAST WORD BEFORE YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC
HEARING.
IF YOU WANT TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING --
10:47:12PM >> NOT NEEDED.
10:47:13PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT'S FINE.
HE WAIVES THAT.
10:47:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR?
THE HEARING IS CLOSED.
10:47:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE HEARING IS CLOSED.
I VOTED AGAINST THIS LAST TIME.
A COUPLE OF REASONS WHY I VOTED AGAINST IT WAS THE MASSING,
SPECIFICALLY THE MASSING UP AGAINST THE NEIGHBOR TO THE
NORTH, THE GARDEN CLUB AND JUST THE GENERAL SCALE OF THE
BUILDING.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT FOR THIS DESIGN AND OTHER DESIGNS THAT

COME IN THE FUTURE, IF YOU'RE ASKING ONE OUT OF SEVEN VOTES
ON THIS COUNCIL, HEIGHT IS NOT A FACTOR FOR ME.
SO THE HEIGHT OF THIS BUILDING WAS NEVER A FACTOR FOR ME.
IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME.
I'VE TRIED TO UNDERSTAND PEOPLE'S OPINIONS ON HEIGHT.
I DON'T GET IT BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE WALKING ON THE STREET,
UNLESS YOU ARE AT A DISTANCE, YOU CAN'T JUDGE THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN 15 STORIES AND 25 STORIES.
BETTER PERSON THAN I AM IF I'M WALKING ON A SIDEWALK AND
KNOW THAT AND THE IMPACT IT HAS ON A NEIGHBORHOOD, I DON'T
GET IT.
I DO KNOW THE SYNAGOGUE IS AN IMPORTANT CULTURAL ASSET TO
THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THE ARCHITECTURE, THE MENORAH'S PRESENCE ON THE BAYSHORE IS
A SYMBOL FOR PART OF THE DIVERSITY OF THE CITY OF TAMPA AND
WHAT WE STAND FOR.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S VERY
IMPORTANT.
I THINK THAT WE ARE VERY -- THIS CITY IS VERY SENSITIVE TO
THOSE TYPES OF SYMBOLS AND SYMBOLOLOGY AND WHAT THE CITY OF
TAMPA REPRESENTS.
I HOPE WE NEVER LOSE THAT BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I
WANTED TO RAISE MY KIDS HERE, WE VALUE THESE TYPE OF THINGS.
DIVERSE CITY, VERY INCLUSIVE CITY.
I'VE GOT GOOD FRIENDS.

THE IRONY IS MOST OF THE FRIENDS IN THIS ROOM ARE GARDEN
CLUB FOLKS, PEOPLE IN SOUTH TAMPA.
I LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA.
I LIVE ON BAYSHORE.
I'M IMPACTED BY A LOT OF THESE THINGS, TOO, BUT I THINK THE
SCOPE AND SCALE -- AGAIN, THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS ABOUT THE
PROJECT.
IT'S STEPPED BACK AWAY FROM BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
IT'S SCALED DOWN.
IT'S KIND OF -- THOUGHTFUL.
I LIKE THE LANDSCAPING.
THEY ARE PLANTING ALL THESE LIVE OAK TREES.
THE BUILDING IS ABUTTED UP AGAINST WHAT IS CURRENTLY USED.
RIGHT NOW THE GARDEN CLUB IS USING THIS.
IT IS A GRAVEL AND ASPHALT PARKING LOT WHERE THE BUILDING IS
LOCATED.
IT'S NOT AGAINST THE WEDDING VENUE.
I SAID THIS IN THE FIRST HEARING AND SAY IT AGAIN.
NOW WE LOCK THIS PLAN IN PLACE, IT REALLY PROTECTS THE
GARDEN CLUB BECAUSE WHAT COULD POSSIBLY COME IN THE FUTURE,
IF THE SYNAGOGUE WAS TO GO DEFUNCT, I GUARANTEE YOU THERE'S
GOING TO BE A COUNCIL -- I SEE YOU SHAKING YOUR HEAD --
THERE'S GOING TO BE A COUNCIL IN THE FUTURE IF THIS LAND
WERE TO BECOME AVAILABLE THAT THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE
DEVELOPED MORE INTENSE THAN IT IS CURRENTLY BEING PROPOSED.

WE HAVE TO TRUST OUR STAFF.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS SAID IT IS COMPATIBLE.
CITY STAFF SAYS IT IS COMPATIBLE.
THERE ARE NO WAIVERS.
THE SETBACKS ARE ALL APPROPRIATE ON THIS PLAN.
IT'S FULLY PARKED.
THEY HAVE HUNDRED PERCENT TREE RETENTION.
NO BONUSES ASKED FOR.
CLOSE TO A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.
BY THE WAY, IT'S ONLY 38 RESIDENTS.
THIS IS NOT A REALLY INTENSIVE COMPLEX WHAT WE'VE SEEN WITH
SOME OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS WE'VE APPROVED.
IT'S ONLY 38 UNITS COMPARED TO SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF WE'VE
BEEN DEALING WITH.
38 RESIDENTS.
THEY ARE GOING TO BE WALKING.
THEY ARE GOING TO BE GOING TO THE COMMERCIAL AREAS.
WE HAVE RESTAURANTS NOW AT BAY TO BAY AND YSABELLA.
WE HAVE RESTAURANTS ALONG BAY TO BAY PEOPLE CAN WALK TO.
THIS IS AN URBAN AREA THAT PEOPLE CAN WALK AND ENJOY WALKING
IN.
YOU HAVE THE FRED BALL PARK THERE.
I THINK THIS IS AN ENHANCEMENT.
I KNOW PEOPLE WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT.
I FIND IT IRONIC THAT PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN HIGH-RISES ARE

COMPLAINING ABOUT OTHER HIGH-RISES.
ONE QUOTE OF THE NIGHT, GOD HELP ME FOR QUOTING THEM.
NEVER DO IT AGAIN, JOE ROBINSON.
MITIGATE OR LITIGATE.
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW TONIGHT.
THIS IS NOT THE FIRST AND SECOND HEARING WHAT WE HEARD
TODAY.
THIS IS A LEGISLATIVE PROCESS THAT HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE IN
THE STATE OF FLORIDA TO REACH AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN
GOVERNMENT AND A PRIVATE ENTITY WHEN THERE HAS BEEN A
DISAGREEMENT OR BEEN AN ACTION THAT THEY DON'T AGREE WITH.
WE HAVE VERY GOOD LAWYERS.
WE HAVE VERY GOOD STAFF.
THEY SAT DOWN WITH THE APPLICANT TO COME UP WITH A
COMPROMISE TO AVOID LITIGATION AND POTENTIAL EXTREME COST TO
THE TAXPAYERS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WE ALL KNOW WHERE WE LIVE AND HOW THIS SOMETIMES WORKS OUT.
AND IN THE INTEREST OF BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE TO THE
CITIZENS OF TAMPA AND ENSURING THAT WE MITIGATE POTENTIAL
LOSSES, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS COMPROMISE AGREEMENT.
THANK YOU.
10:52:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK AND COUNCIL MEMBER
VIERA.
10:52:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS A COP-OUT.
IT IS A COP-OUT.

COMPLETELY HUNDRED PERCENT COP-OUT BECAUSE THE THING IS YOU
CAN'T BE AFRAID OF LITIGATION.
WE HAD A VERY CLEAN RECORD.
CLEAR.
I READ VERY CLEARLY WHAT THE CITY HAD TO RESPOND TO.
I'M GOING TO QUOTE.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS WITHIN RESIDENTIAL 35 FUTURE LAND
USE DESIGNATED RES 35.
THIS DESIGNATION SUPPORTS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL USES,
INCLUDING MULTIFAMILY AND SMALL LOT USES SUCH AS DUPLEXES,
CONDOMINIUMS, AND TOWNHOMES.
THIS IS A FUTURE LAND USE ISSUE, PERIOD.
THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THIS SPOT IS RESIDENTIAL 35.
THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
THEY WENT TO TRY TO GET IT CHANGED.
THEY COULDN'T GET IT CHANGED.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAID NO.
RS-83 IS TOO HIGH.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS GOING TO BE.
THIS IS GOING TO BE RS-83 ZONING.
SO THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE IS -- IN RS-35 IS EIGHT STORIES.
TO ME, I THINK THE CITY'S SETTLEMENT IS NOT A SETTLEMENT.
IT'S NOT SETTLING ANYTHING AT ALL.
IT'S GOING WAY ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE ALLOWABLE IS THERE,
AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO DO.

IF THEY CAN GET ON THIS, THEY WILL KEEP COMING BACK.
THEY WILL START HIGH AND END A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THEY
ARE ALLOWED.
WE ARE OPENING THE FLOODGATES TO THIS.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AREN'T LAW.
WE SAY -- EVERYBODY KEEPS SAYING, I HEAR COUNCIL MEMBERS
SAYING, WELL, STAFF APPROVED IT -- OR APPROVES OF IT.
WELL, STAFF IS A RECOMMENDATION.
IF STAFF MADE THE RULES, WHY ARE WE HERE?
WE'RE ALLOWED.
WE ARE THE GRAY.
THEY ARE THE BLACK AND WHITE.
WE ARE THE GRAY.
THIS AGAIN IS A FUTURE LAND USE ISSUE.
THOSE HIGH-RISES THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT ARE FUTURE LAND USE
R-75.
TO ME, NOTHING HAS CHANGED ABOUT THIS.
NOTHING.
THE HEIGHT, DOESN'T MATTER, BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE EIGHT
STORIES.
THAT'S IT.
THAT'S ALL IT'S ALLOWED HERE.
BY COMING HERE AND STARTING WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS 29 FEET
AND 29 STORIES AND COMING DOWN AND SAYING, OH, WE'RE GIVING
YOU A GIFT AT 16 STORIES, THAT'S NOT WHAT IS HAPPENING.

THEY ARE FLOUTING OUR RULES.
SO I WILL NEVER LISTEN TO YOU -- SERIOUSLY.
FUR THE ONE THAT SAYS -- IF YOU ARE THE ONE THAT SAYS WE
FOLLOW THE RULES.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO REJECT THE MEDIATED SETTLEMENT.
10:55:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WAIT.
I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE OTHER TWO MEMBERS.
10:55:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M NOT DONE.
ACCORDING TO THIS WONDERFUL SHEET OF PAPER OR THE REPORT
THAT THE CITY LEGAL DEPARTMENT CAME UPON, BASED UPON 15
SAMPLE SITES, THE EXISTING DENSITY IN THE RES 35 DESIGNATED
PARCELS LOCATED WITHIN THIS GEOGRAPHICAL AREA IS 14.27
DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE.
THIS PROJECT IS 26.7.
NOT EVEN CLOSE.
ALMOST DOUBLE.
10:55:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, WHAT I STATED IS MY OBJECTION TO
THIS, THE FIRST PLAN WASN'T THE HEIGHT.
WASN'T SOME OF THE THINGS YOU CALLED OUT.
IT WAS THE MASSING AGAINST THE GARDEN CLUB ON THE NORTH SIDE
WHICH I FEEL THEY MITIGATED.
THEY PUSHED BACK THAT SETBACK LINE 20 FEET.
IF YOU REMEMBER THE SCOPE AND SCALE, THEY HAD THE LARGE
CONCRETE BLOCK WALL WITH THE AMENITIES DECK THAT WAS FACING
THE NORTH SIDE --

10:56:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT NONE OF THAT MATTERS.
10:56:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:56:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND
THAT THE DIFFERENCE, WHAT I OBJECTED TO ON THE FIRST ONE IS
THIS WAS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE FROM THAT FIRST PLAN BECAUSE
OF HOW IT INTEGRATED WITH THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH.
SO WHAT I FOUND OBJECTIONABLE IN THE FIRST PLAN WAS THE
INTEGRATION WITH THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH.
AND THEY HAVE MITIGATED AND COME TO US WITH A PLAN THAT
TAKES THAT -- MY ISSUE AWAY ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.
I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ON THE OTHER THINGS.
I HUMBLY DISAGREE.
AGAIN, THAT WAS MY ISSUE.
WASN'T HEIGHT.
IT WAS THE INTEGRATION OF THE GARDEN CLUB ON THE NORTH I HAD
PROBLEMS WITH.
10:56:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:57:03PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
I COME FROM THIS FROM MY OWN PERSPECTIVE.
WE ALL HAVE OUR PERSPECTIVES.
I THINK EVERYBODY HERE STATES THEM IN GOOD FAITH AND WITH
VIGOR AND ALL THAT.
WHEN THIS FIRST CAME TO US, THE FIRST TIME I VOTED NO ON IT
BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE APPLICANT

A SIZE 38 WAIST IN SIZE 32 PANTS.
YOU COME BACK A LITTLE BIT LATER AND A LOT OF THINGS WERE
REMEDY AND FIXED THAT I FOUND TO BE VERY, VERY
OBJECTIONABLE.
ON THESE LAND USE CASES, I TRY TO BE CONSISTENT IN TERMS OF
THE THINGS I PUT FORWARD.
AND SOMETIMES IT'S NOT THE MOST POPULAR THING, BUT HARRY
TRUMAN ONCE SAID I WOULD RATHER BE RIGHT THAN PRESIDENT.
I WOULD RATHER BE RIGHT THAN BE DOGCATCHER.
I TRY TO DO WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT JUST LIKE ALL SEVEN OF US
DO.
WE ALL COME FROM DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES BUT I THINK WE ALL
COME FROM GOOD FAITH TO GET THERE AND I CERTAINLY HAVE IS MY
PERSPECTIVE.
I SAID THIS PROBABLY BEFORE AT THE SECOND HEARING WHEN I
VOTED FOR IT, ONE OF TWO FOR THE COMPROMISE, WHICH IS I
DON'T LIKE TO WRITE CHECKS THAT ARE GOING TO BOUNCE.
I FEEL THAT RIGHT NOW WITH THE FACTS AS I UNDERSTAND THEM,
WE HAVE $200 IN OUR BANK ACCOUNT.
WE'LL BE WRITING A CHECK FOR HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.
THAT'S REALLY HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS HUNDRED PERCENT.
I'M NOT AFRAID OF LITIGATION.
I'VE BEEN LITIGATING 21 YEARS.
ADMITTED TO THE FLORIDA BAR IN 2003, INSURANCE LITIGATOR.
BEEN UP AGAINST BIG FIRMS.

STILL AM.
STILL WORK.
MEDIATE A LOT OF CASES.
I KNOW WHAT LITIGATION IS ALL ABOUT.
IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS RIGHT ON YOUR SIDE THAN YOU GO
FORWARD, RIGHT?
BUT -- AND THAT'S WHAT SOME FOLKS ON COUNCIL GO, WE'RE
RIGHT, LET'S GO FORWARD.
I THINK THAT THERE WAS GRAY IN THE LAST HEARING.
FIRST HEARING WAS BLACK AND WHITE.
VOTE NO, GO FORWARD INTO LITIGATION BATTLE FOR THE CITY OF
TAMPA.
HUNDRED PERCENT THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
NEXT ONE I VOTED THE WAY I DID BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO WRITE
CHECKS THAT ARE GOING TO BOUNCE IN TERMS OF HOW I VIEW
THINGS.
OVER HERE IT'S EVEN MUCH MORE EGREGIOUS FROM HOW I SEE THIS.
I THINK IF WE GO FORWARD, IT'S NOT THAT WE'LL HAVE TO SPEND
MONEY ON LITIGATION.
THAT'S WHAT LAWYERS ARE FOR.
THAT'S HOW SO MANY LAWYERS LIVE ON BAYSHORE, BY THE WAY.
THAT'S WHAT LAWYERS ARE FOR.
AND IF WE HAVE A CASE, LET'S GO FORWARD.
BUT I'M NOT GOING TO FOR WHATEVER REASON, GO FORWARD WITH
THIS.

I'M GOING TO VOTE HOW I'M GOING TO VOTE.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME I'VE DONE THIS.
THIS IS THE LAST TRAIN RIGHT NOW BEFORE THE TRAIN LEAVES THE
STATION AND IT'S GOING TO GO FORWARD IN LITIGATION.
AFTER THIS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE MUCH MORE CONTROL.
THIS IS OUR LAST TIME BECAUSE THERE ARE, AS EVERYBODY IN THE
PUBLIC KNOWS, THERE ARE SEQUELS TO THESE THINGS.
CITY COUNCIL VOTES IT DOWN AND GUESS WHAT, AND A LOT OF
TIMES I VOTED TO VOTE IT DOWN AND PEOPLE GO HOME AND
EVERYBODY IS HAPPY BUT THERE ARE SEQUELS.
THERE'S ROCKY ONE, ROCKY TWO, ROCKY THREE, ROCKY FOUR, ROCKY
FIVE, ROCKY SIX.
THESE THINGS JUST DON'T DIE HERE AT CITY COUNCIL.
THERE WILL BE A SEQUEL TO THIS IN CIRCUIT COURT.
I WON'T TALK ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN THERE BUT CERTAINLY HAVE
MY RECKONING ON IT.
I'LL VOTE HOW I'LL VOTE.
NOT BECAUSE I GO, YAY, MORE CONDOS ON BAYSHORE.
LET'S DO THIS.
NO, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE PEOPLE CAME FROM.
WHICH IS WHY WHEN I HAD SOMETHING TO HANG MY HAT ON IN THE
FIRST HEARING, I SAID NO.
I SAY ON THESE KIND OF DECISIONS WHERE YOU HAVE LEGAL
ACCOUNTABILITY, WE HAVE A STOOL AND HAVE TO HAVE LEGS TO
SUPPORT THAT STOOL.

WHERE I DON'T SEE LEGS TO SUPPORT THAT STOOL I'M NOT GOING
TO SAY THERE IS A FULLY FUNCTIONING STOOL BECAUSE WHEN WE
SIT ON IT, WE'RE GOING TO FALL.
THAT'S WHAT I SAY.
AGAIN, EVERYBODY COMES FORWARD WITH THIS IN GOOD FAITH
THROUGH THEIR OWN PERSPECTIVE.
EVERYBODY HERE WANTS TO WORK FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE CITY.
EVERYBODY HERE HAS THEIR OWN PERSPECTIVE AND I RESPECT
EVERYBODY'S VIEW.
THANK YOU.
11:01:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
11:01:13PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU, CHAIR.
I THINK TO START OUT, IT'S NOT A SURPRISE THAT I ACTUALLY
DID SUPPORT THIS THE LAST TIME.
IT WAS 5-2 AND I WAS ONE OF THE SUPPORTERS.
I'M A SUPPORTER AGAIN TODAY.
I DO FIND IT APPROPRIATE.
I DO AGREE THAT IT IS CONSISTENT.
I LIKE THE COMPROMISE THAT WENT THROUGH THE SPECIAL
MAGISTRATE PROCESS AND PROCEEDINGS.
AND FOR ME, I HAVE TO STEP OUTSIDE OF SOUTH TAMPA TO COME
BACK IN.
WHEN IT COMES TO DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE UP HERE.
SOUTH TAMPA KNOWS HOW TO FIGHT.
THAT'S FOR SURE, WHETHER YOU'RE FOR IT OR AGAINST IT YOU

KNOW HOW TO COME IN VERY, VERY LARGE NUMBERS.
THERE HAVE BEEN CASES OUTSIDE OF THIS PARTICULAR COMMUNITY
AND IN TAMPA HEIGHTS AND INSIDE A RESIDENTIAL AREA, THE
STAFF HAS SAID IT'S INCONSISTENT BUT ONLY FIVE RESIDENTS
COME SAYING, HEY, I HAVE A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.
I DON'T WANT THIS DENSITY NEXT TO ME, AND THIS COUNCIL WILL
APPROVE IT AND IT IS INCONSISTENT AND THEY WILL APPROVE IT
BECAUSE THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH FIGHTERS.
NOT ENOUGH NOISE OR FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY DECIDE AMONG
THEMSELVES THAT THEY DON'T SEE IT THAT WAY AND THEN NOW IN
THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD, THE DENSITY IS GOING TO GO UP
NEXT TO A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME BECAUSE FIVE PEOPLE MAKE NOISE
AND THEY MAYBE HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW,
THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.
HERE, I DON'T HAVE THE EMOTIONAL CONNECTION TO SOUTH TAMPA.
I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM A HOLISTIC STANDPOINT.
IT'S NOT EVEN ABOUT REALLY SAVING THE SYNAGOGUE AND THE
FINANCIAL PIECE TO ME THAT'S NOT THINGS WE CAN TAKE INTO
CONSIDERATION WHEN DECIDING THESE FACTORS IN OTHER CASES.
BUT I DO UNDERSTAND IT.
I'M HUMAN AND I DO UNDERSTAND IT.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB IS GOING TO DIE
BECAUSE THIS DEVELOPMENT GOES UP.
IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO REIMAGINE THEMSELVES, TO
MAYBE CHANGE THEIR MARKETING BUT I DON'T THINK THEY TAKE

OWNERSHIP OF THE 80 STEPS AWAY FROM THEM TO SAY IT SHOULDN'T
BE THAT WAY -- DO NOT INTERRUPT ME.
DON'T DO THAT.
11:03:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE STAY QUIET IN THE AUDIENCE.
11:03:34PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
THE ONE THING I'M THINKING ABOUT --
11:03:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PLEASE SILENCE YOUR PHONES.
TURN THE VOLUME DOWN.
TURN OFF YOUR PHONES.
GO OUTSIDE.
THANK YOU.
11:03:46PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THE LAST THING IS, FOR ME IS THE SIDEWALK
MODIFICATION THAT'S COME AFTER WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED IN THE
SPECIAL MAGISTRATE SO THAT MODIFICATION MID BLOCK, SOMETHING
LIKE THAT CROSS WALK, I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT NECESSARILY NEEDED
SOME SORT OF STUDY OR WHATEVER TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT BUT
THAT WAS ANOTHER COMPROMISE THAT THE DEVELOPER IS WILLING TO
DO.
I'M WILLING TO ACCEPT THAT SIDEWALK MODIFICATION THAT CAN
DEFINITELY BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY.
I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.
THANK YOU, CHAIR.
11:04:27PM >>LUIS VIERA:
JUST FOR OUR OWN SAKE, THIS IS MY
UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT JUDGE BATTLES DID, PLEASE CORRECT ME
IF I'M WRONG, IT'S A MEDIATION WHERE THE CITY ATTORNEY'S

OFFICE COMES REPRESENTING THE INTEREST OF CITY COUNCIL AND
OUR EXPRESSED INTEREST IN THE DENIAL AND THEN DEALING WITH
THE DEVELOPER AND IT IS A BACK AND FORTH MEDIATION WHERE A
COMPROMISE IS REACHED AND HE SERVES AS MEDIATOR OR IS IT
BECAUSE WHAT I'M ALSO HEARING MORE LIKE AN ARBITRATOR.
IT IS A MEDIATOR, RIGHT?
11:04:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO HEAR
FROM MS. WELLS.
SHE ADDRESSED THIS AT THE OPENING.
THIS IS A TWO-STEP PROCESS.
7051 IS RATHER UNUSUAL AND FRANKLY FOR THOSE FAMILIAR WITH
MEDIATION.
AND KNOW THE RULES OF MEDIATION.
THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE THE LEGISLATURE CREATED A PROCESS
WHERE THE FIRST HALF TAKEN PLACE TONIGHT, THIS IS THE END OF
THE FIRST HALF.
JUDGE BATTLES MADE HIS PRESENTATION AND IT WAS PRESENTED TO
COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION.
IF THAT IS REJECTED, IT GOES -- IT TAKES OFF HIS MEDIATOR
HAT AND PUTS ON HIS ARBITRATOR HAT AND THEN YOU MIGHT WANT
TO TALK TO MS. WELLS.
11:05:41PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THAT'S ALL I NEED, SIR.
AT THIS POINT WE'RE AT THE MEDIATOR STAGE.
I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP MORE TIME.
11:05:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, ARE YOU GOING TO SPEAK?
11:05:58PM >>BILL CARLSON:
EVEN THOUGH THIS IS LEGISLATIVE, WE'VE BEEN
GIVEN ADVICE THAT WE SHOULD USE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL
EVIDENCE.
THAT IS THE FEEDBACK I GOT.
11:06:13PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WE FOLLOW THE PROCEDURES TO ENSURE THAT IF
THIS DOES GO FORWARD, THE REZONING IS THE PASSAGE OF THE
ORDINANCE.
IF I MISSPEAK AND MS. WELLS WANTS TO CLARIFY IT MORE SO,
SHE'S WELCOME TO DO THAT.
BUT THIS IS A LEGISLATIVE MATTER AND CERTAINLY WHAT THAT
MEANS, IT'S A FAIRLY DEBATABLE STANDARD.
IT CANNOT BE DONE IN A WAY WITHOUT DISCUSSION THAT WOULD
MAKE ONE THINK IT WOULD BE ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS.
THIS IS NOT A REHEARING OF A REZONING.
THIS IS YOUR EVALUATION OF WHAT THE COMPROMISE SETTLEMENT IS
AND PASSING JUDGMENT ON THAT AS TO WHETHER IT RESOLVES THE
CASE AS THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU, IF IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE
TO DO SO WOULD STATE.
11:07:08PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU'RE SAYING WE SHOULD MAKE POLITICAL
STATEMENTS AND NOT PROVIDE --
11:07:13PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO.
I'M NOT SAYING POLITICAL STATEMENTS.
THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THIS SETTLEMENT, AS MS. WELLS STATES
AND I DON'T WANT TO RESTATE IT AGAIN.

IF SHE WANTS TO RESTATE IT, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
THERE ARE CONSIDERATIONS BEYOND THE REZONING NOW BECAUSE YOU
ARE IN A POSITION WHERE LITIGATION, SEVERAL THINGS HAVE BEEN
FILED AS MS. WELLS HAS STATED THAT TO ALLOW THIS PROCESS
WHICH WAS CREATED BY THE LEGISLATURE IN SECTION 70.51,
ALLOWS THAT TO BE STAYED.
BUT AS WE SIT HERE TODAY, LITIGATION AND IF YOU WANT TO TALK
ABOUT THE CAUSES OF ACTION, THAT COULD BE RELEVANT HAVE BEEN
FILED, ARE PENDING AND HAVE BEEN STAYED PENDING THE OUTCOME
OF THIS DECISION TONIGHT.
I'M NOT SAYING IT IS A POLITICAL DECISION.
I'M SAYING IT IS A DECISION THAT YOU HAVE TO WEIGH WHAT THE
ALTERNATIVE IS, THE COMPROMISE IS AN ALTERNATIVE TO WHAT THE
LITIGATION MAY OR MAY NOT PRODUCE.
11:08:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK WAS NEXT.
11:08:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
SO I MAKE -- I MAKE A MOTION TO REJECT THE MEDIATED
SETTLEMENT MAINLY BECAUSE I'M HOLDING IN MY HAND MY MOTION
TO DENY THIS PETITION.
I DON'T HAVE THE DATE ON HERE.
BUT THE LAST TIME YOU CAME.
AND THERE ARE 17 DIFFERENT LAND USE POLICIES AND SECTION OF
CODE, NONE OF THEM HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED IN THIS.
NONE OF THEM.
I DON'T KNOW IF MR. SHELBY WANTS ME TO READ THEM OUT LOUD

AGAIN.
IF YOU RECOMMEND I DO THAT.
BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE ANY OF THEM WERE ACTUALLY ADDRESSED.
AND FOR ME, THAT'S WHAT MEDIATION IS, ADDRESSING THE ISSUES
COUNCIL ACTUALLY HAD.
WITH THE CODE.
DO YOU WANT ME TO READ THEM OUT LOUD?
I WILL.
OR DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY BASED ON THE DENIAL FROM THE LAST
TIME, NONE OF THESE WERE CHANGED.
11:09:42PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ARTICULATE, YOU DO IT.
11:09:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I REJECT THE SETTLEMENT.
11:09:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I SECOND IT.
THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE A MINUTE AGO IS WE HAVE TO
BASE THIS ON SOME KIND OF EVIDENCE, NOT A POLITICAL VIEW, IN
MY OPINION.
MOST OF THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED TONIGHT I WOULD PUT IN THE
CATEGORY OF POLITICAL.
WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS ULTIMATELY LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE THAT'S
OUT THERE.
11:10:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
POINT OF INFORMATION.
11:10:16PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON.
11:10:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOR LEGAL STAFF, POINT OF INFORMATION.
MS. WELLS.
I WOULD LIKE TO INQUIRE ON LEGAL STAFF ABOUT THE STATUS OF

THE MITIGATION AND WHAT THE LIABILITY IS -- POTENTIAL
LIABILITY TO THE CITY.
11:10:41PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WOULD SUGGEST A MOTION TO REOPEN.
11:10:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO REOPEN FROM
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
ALL IN FAVOR TO REOPEN, AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
11:11:07PM >> NAY.
11:11:14PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
NO.
11:11:15PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:11:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
11:11:18PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
11:11:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
11:11:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
11:11:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:11:26PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION FAILED WITH HENDERSON, MIRANDA, CARLSON,
AND HURTAK VOTING NO.
11:11:36PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I DID THAT BECAUSE COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN WANTED
THAT INFORMATION.
MR. SHELBY, WITHOUT GIVING US THE QUANTIFIED MONETARY
AMOUNTS CAN YOU AT LEAST ANSWER THAT QUESTION BY VIRTUE OF
STATING WHAT DAMAGES ARE AVAILABLE TO A PARTY IN A MATTER

LIKE THIS?
11:11:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I'M NOT IN A POSITION TO DO THAT.
I WAS NOT PRESENT AT THE MEDIATION.
FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE RECORD, AT THE OUTSET YOU HAD
MS. WELLS MAKE THE PRESENTATION.
SHE INTRODUCED MR. HARVEY WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
LITIGATION.
IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION WITH REGARD TO LITIGATION WHICH, BY
THE WAY, THIS IS A SETTLEMENT.
SO I SUGGEST THAT'S VERY RELEVANT INFORMATION IF YOU'RE
INTERESTED.
WELL, THEN, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO INQUIRE.
I WOULD THINK THAT IF IT'S PART OF YOUR CRITERIA AND YOUR
DELIBERATION, I WOULD JUST THINK THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING
THAT YOU ASK MR. HARVEY AND MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE YOU
DO IT AS PART OF THE HEARING SO IT'S WITHIN THE RECORD THAT
YOU'VE CONTEMPLATED THAT WITHIN THE RECORD.
11:12:39PM >>LUIS VIERA:
[INAUDIBLE]
11:12:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'LL GO BACK TO --
11:12:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL TRY ONE MORE TIME.
MOTION TO REOPEN.
BASED ON THE OPINION OF THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY AND
PROTECTING THE RECORD --
11:12:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO REOPEN BY CLENDENIN
AND SECOND BY VIERA.

ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:12:58PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
11:13:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO.
11:13:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NO.
11:13:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
11:13:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES.
11:13:06PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
NO.
11:13:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:13:10PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION FAILED WITH MIRANDA, CARLSON, HURTAK,
AND HENDERSON VOTING NO.
11:13:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD, COUNCILMAN
CARLSON?
IF NOT, COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
11:13:22PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK THAT THE AMOUNT -- JUST BECAUSE
SOMEBODY THREATENS LITIGATION IS NOT A REASON NOT TO PROTECT
PROPERTY OWNERS WHO HAVE AN EXPECTATION OF PREDICTABILITY OF
WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE AREA.
IF THIS WAS A 20% CHANGE OR A 30% CHANGE, YOU CAN SEE ADDING
IT IN, BUT IT'S STILL A HUGE CHANGE.
LIKE SOMEBODY SAID BEFORE, THEY START HIGH AND COME DOWN AND
MAKES IT LOOK BETTER, BUT IT IS STILL A BIG CHANGE FOR THAT
PROPERTY.
JUST BECAUSE SOME PREVIOUS COUNCIL MADE MISTAKES IN THE PAST
DOESN'T MEAN WE NEED TO FOLLOW THE SAME MISTAKES.
I THINK IT'S OUR JOB TO -- THE CITY AND THE PLANNING

COMMISSION GO THROUGH MONTHS AND YEARS OF PLANNING TO PUT
THESE CODES IN PLACE.
AND THEY BUILD CONSENSUS IN THE COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE WHEN
THEY BUY PROPERTY, THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE BUYING.
THEY ARE BUYING ENTITLEMENTS.
IT'S OUR JOB TO PROTECT THOSE ENTITLEMENT.
WHEN SOMEBODY WANTS A DIFFERENCE IN ENTITLEMENT, THEN WE
HAVE TO LOOK AT THE REASONABLENESS OF IT.
IF IT'S A HUGE CHANGE FROM IT THEN IT'S NOT NECESSARILY
REASONABLE.
I'LL SAY ALSO I'VE BEEN A HUGE SUPPORTER OF -- FROM THE
JEWISH COMMUNITY IN THE PAST.
IN MY MIND, WE CAN'T CONSIDER THAT.
CAN'T CONSIDER WHAT RELIGION OR IF IT IS A CHURCH.
IF A CATHOLIC CHURCH WANTS TO BUILD SOMETHING NEXT TO IT, WE
CAN'T CONSIDER IT AS AN ASPECT.
INSTEAD LOOK AT THE ENTITLEMENTS AND LAND USE AND WHAT'S
GOING ON THERE.
THE QUESTION NOW IS IF WE REJECT IT, WILL THEY WIN SOME BIG
CASE LIKE CITIVEST, I DON'T THINK SO BASED ON THE RECORD WE
HAVE.
I'M NOT A LAWYER THOUGH.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT THEY'LL COME BACK AND GIVE US
SOMETHING THAT'S IN BETWEEN AGAIN AND IT WILL BE WITHIN A
REASONABLE VARIATION OF WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED AND THEN WE

CAN APPROVE IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY YES ON IT.
IF IT WAS SLIGHTLY LESS THAN WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, I WOULD
SAY YES.
BUT I THINK THIS IS STILL A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH.
11:15:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK TO REJECT.
THE SECOND WAS FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, IS THAT CORRECT?
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:15:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO.
11:15:28PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
NO.
11:15:30PM >>LUIS VIERA:
NO.
11:15:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
11:15:34PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
11:15:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
11:15:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
11:15:40PM >>THE CLERK:
THE MOTION CARRIED WITH CLENDENIN, HENDERSON,
VIERA VOTING NO.
11:15:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CAN I GET A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE?
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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