TAMPA CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL CALL EVENING MEETING
TUESDAY, JANUARY 28, 2025, 5:01 P.M.
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05:09:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD AFTERNOON.
05:09:24PM WELCOME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
05:09:25PM CAN WE HAVE ROLL CALL.
05:09:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
05:09:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
05:09:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
05:09:34AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT.
05:09:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
05:09:34PM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
05:09:34PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
05:09:34PM CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE SAID HEARING?
05:09:42PM MISS WELLS, IF YOU WILL KICK IT OFF BEFORE I ASK FOLKS TO
05:09:46PM RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND SWEAR US IN.
05:09:49PM >>CATE WELLS: CATE WELLS, DEPUTY ATTORNEY.
05:09:53PM I BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT WANTS TO RAISE ONE
05:09:57PM PROCEDURAL QUESTION OF THE AMOUNT OF TIME ALLOTTED FOR THEIR
05:10:00PM PRESENTATION.
05:10:00PM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT NOW OR LATER.
05:10:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SHOULD WE SWEAR EVERYBODY IN?
05:10:06PM >>CATE WELLS: SURE.
05:10:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF YOU ARE GOING TO SPEAK TONIGHT, RAISE
05:10:12PM YOUR RIGHT HAND AND WE WILL SWEAR YOU IN.
05:10:14PM IF YOU WERE GOING TO SPEAK, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR
05:10:18PM RIGHT HAND.
05:10:19PM [SWEARING IN]
05:10:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. CREMER, PLEASE COME UP AND STATE
05:10:28PM YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
05:10:29PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
05:10:30PM JAKE CREMER FOR STEARNS, WEAVER AND MILLER.
05:10:35PM COUNCILMAN, I HAVE SPOKEN TO SEVERAL OF THE OTHER
05:10:41PM REPRESENTED PARTIES ARE HERE AND SUBJECT TO YOUR DISCRETION,
05:10:43PM WE THOUGHT WE COULD HELP BE EFFICIENT TONIGHT.
05:10:46PM WHAT WE DID -- YOU MAY RECALL ABOUT A YEAR AGO IS THAT AS
05:10:50PM THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, I SPOKE FIRST FOR 15
05:10:55PM MINUTES.
05:10:55PM THE NORMAL AMOUNT OF TIME.
05:10:57PM THEN THE SYNAGOGUE AS THE PARTY TO THE FLUEDRA SPOKE FOR TEN
05:11:02PM MINUTES.
05:11:02PM THAT IS WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING AGAIN.
05:11:04PM I SPOKEN TO COUNSEL, MR. RICHARD HARRISON, FOR THE GARDEN
05:11:10PM CLUB.
05:11:10PM THEY WILL USE THE SPEAKER WAIVER PROCESS, AND HE WOULD
05:11:14PM REQUEST TO BE NEXT FOLLOWED BY JANE GRAHAM
05:11:20PM REPRESENTING ALTURA.
05:11:21PM FOLLOWING THE SPEAKER WAIVER PROCESS FOLLOWED BY THEIR
05:11:24PM EXPERT WITNESS.
05:11:25PM SUBJECT TO YOUR DISCRETION OBVIOUSLY, BUT THIS WILL HELP MAKE
05:11:29PM THINGS GO EFFICIENTLY.
05:11:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU ARE ASKING FOR THAT BEFORE PUBLIC
05:11:35PM COMMENT, THE INITIAL PRESENTATION?
05:11:37PM >> YES, THAT IS ALL RIGHT.
05:11:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MISS WELLS, THAT IS LEGALLY OKAY TO DO?
05:11:42PM >>CATE WELLS: IN MY PRESENTATION, I WILL QUICKLY GO THROUGH
05:11:44PM THE HEARING PROCESS WHAT COUNCIL CAN ANTICIPATE THIS EVENING
05:11:47PM SO THIS IS JUST WORKING OUT THE TIME, THE ALLOTTED TIME FOR
05:11:53PM SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT WANT TO TESTIFY.
05:11:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTION?
05:11:58PM OR WE WILL CONTINUE.
05:11:59PM ALL RIGHT WE WILL START IT OFF.
05:12:01PM MR. SHELBY.
05:12:08PM >>CATE WELLS: GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND CITY COUNCIL.
05:12:21PM I AM CATE WELLS, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY.
05:12:24PM WITH ME IS DAVE HARVEY, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY AND OUR
05:12:27PM LITIGATION PRACTICE GROUP.
05:12:28PM THIS ITEM IS BEFORE CITY COUNCIL BASED ON A SPECIAL
05:12:32PM MAGISTRATE PROCEEDING FROM A REQUEST OF RELIEF FOLLOWED
05:12:36PM BY PRH 2713 BAYSHORE ACQUISITION LCC, ALSO KNOWN AS THE
05:12:41PM RELATED GROUP AND CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM, INC.
05:12:48PM REQUEST TOWARD THE FLORIDA STATUTE.
05:12:50PM OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE FLORIDA LAND USE AND ENVIRONMENTAL
05:12:53PM DISPUTE RESOLUTION ACT.
05:12:54PM IT HAS BEEN A WHILE SINCE CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN PRESENTED
05:12:58PM WITH A MEDIATED SETTLEMENT RESULTING IN THE 70-51 PROCESS.
05:13:02PM SO I WANT TO TAKE A FEW BRIEF COMMENTS ABOUT THE PROCESS OF
05:13:05PM TONIGHT'S HEARING BEFORE PROVIDING THE HISTORY OF THIS
05:13:09PM ACTION AND THE DETAILS OF THE MEDIATED SETTLEMENT.
05:13:14PM UNLIKE THE STANDARD REZONING APPLICATIONS YOU CONSIDER
05:13:17PM DURING THE REGULAR EVENING MEETINGS, ANY TIME CITY COUNCIL
05:13:20PM CONSIDERS A SETTLEMENT PROPOSAL, YOUR ROLE IS LEGISLATIVE
05:13:25PM AND ALLOW CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER ITEMS OUTSIDE OF THE
05:13:27PM CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
05:13:32PM INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE IMPACT AND PUBLIC INTEREST
05:13:36PM RESULTING FROM THE PROPOSED SETTLEMENT.
05:13:38PM THE PROCESS OF TONIGHT'S HEARING REQUIRES NOTICE AND
05:13:43PM REQUIRES DUE PROCESS AS REQUIRED FOR ALL QUASI-JUDICIAL
05:13:47PM APPLICATIONS CITY COUNCIL'S DECISION IS LEGISLATIVE.
05:13:50PM THE QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCESS IS FOLLOWED SINCE THE SETTLEMENT
05:13:54PM IS APPROVED, THE SETTLEMENT RESULTS IN THE REZONING OF
05:13:57PM PROPERTY.
05:13:57PM AFTER I CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION, YOU WILL HEAR FROM JUDGE
05:14:04PM BATTLES, THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE IN THIS MATTER.
05:14:07PM ONCE JUDGE BATTLES MAKES HIS PRESENTATION, YOU WILL HEAR
05:14:11PM FROM CITY STAFF, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF, REPRESENTATIVES
05:14:14PM FOR THE RELATED GROUP AND FOR THE SYNAGOGUE, AND THEN THE
05:14:17PM PUBLIC.
05:14:18PM I RECOMMEND THAT YOU CONCLUDE THE HEARING ONCE YOU HAVE
05:14:20PM PROVIDED REBUTTAL AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT IS CONCLUDED.
05:14:26PM AND FINALLY AS YOU CONSIDER THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE
05:14:31PM ENTERED INTO TONIGHT'S HEARING, PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THE
05:14:34PM SPECIAL MAGISTRATE'S REPORT IS A PUBLIC RECORD, ACTIONS OR
05:14:37PM STATEMENT OF REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE CITY OF THE RELATED
05:14:40PM GROUP OR THE SYNAGOGUE ARE EVIDENCE OF AN OFFER OF
05:14:43PM COMPROMISE AND INADMISSIBLE IN THESE PROCEEDING.
05:14:46PM I MENTION THIS IN THE EVENT THAT CITY COUNCIL IS CONCERNED
05:14:49PM OF THE POSSIBILITY OF ESTABLISHING PRECEDENT IF THE REVISED
05:14:53PM SITE PLAN IS APPROVED.
05:14:54PM AT YOUR FEBRUARY 8, 2024 MEETING, CITY COUNCIL DENIED THE
05:14:59PM REZONING, WHICH WOULD HAVE ALLOWED THE DEVELOPMENT OF A
05:15:03PM 26-STORY RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURE WITH A MAXIMUM
05:15:06PM HEIGHT OF 317 FEET FOR 42 DWELLING UNITS TO BE LOCATED ON
05:15:11PM THE SAME SITE AS THE EXISTING PLACE OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY.
05:15:14PM CITY COUNCIL DENIED THE APPLICATION BY A 5-2 VOTE, AND THE
05:15:19PM MOTION TO DENY FOCUSED ON TWO KEY AREAS.
05:15:22PM FAILURE TO ESTABLISH COMPATIBILITY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE
05:15:25PM PLAN.
05:15:25PM AND FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH SECTION 27-136 LAND DEVELOPMENT
05:15:30PM CODE.
05:15:30PM ON MARCH 13, 2024, THE RELATED GROUP AND THE SYNAGOGUE FILED
05:15:35PM THE REQUEST FOR RELIEF PURSUANT TO SECTION 70-51 AND A
05:15:41PM SPECIAL PETITION FOR WRIT OF CERTIORARI.
05:15:46PM AND THE SYNAGOGUE FILED A BERT HARRIS OF FLORIDA STATUTES.
05:15:53PM CLAIM ALLEGES THAT CITY COUNCIL'S DECISION INORDINATELY
05:15:58PM BURDENED THE PROPERTY RESULTING IN A DENUMERATION.
05:16:04PM MR. HARVEY IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE
05:16:08PM REGARDING THE LITIGATION, WHICH, BY THE WAY, IS STAYED
05:16:12PM PENDING THE OUTCOME OF THIS PROCEEDING.
05:16:14PM WHEN THE REQUEST FOR RELIEF WAS ORIGINALLY FILED WITH CITY,
05:16:17PM THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVED A MEMORANDUM DESCRIBING THE
05:16:21PM ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEEDING UNDER SECTION 70-51.
05:16:25PM INVOLVES A TWO-STEP PROCESS.
05:16:27PM IT REQUIRES A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE FOR AN INFORMAL
05:16:32PM MEDIATION OF WHICH THE CITY, THE RELATED GROUP AND THE
05:16:34PM SYNAGOGUE CONSIDER ALTERNATIVE DEVELOPMENTS RESPONSIVE TO
05:16:38PM CITY COUNCIL'S DECISION TO DENY THE APPLICATION.
05:16:40PM IN THIS CASE, THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE CONDUCTED TWO MEDIATION
05:16:45PM SESSIONS.
05:16:46PM FIRST ON JUNE 25, 2024.
05:16:48PM SECOND ON JULY 26, 2024.
05:16:50PM DURING THE SECOND MEDIATED SESSION, THE RELATED GROUP
05:16:55PM PRESENTED A REVISED SITE PLAN INTENDED TO ADDRESS THE BASIS
05:16:59PM FOR COUNCIL'S DENIAL.
05:17:01PM COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO
05:17:03PM ELECTED TO PARTICIPATE AND FROM CITY REPRESENTATIVES.
05:17:06PM AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE MEDIATION, THEY AGREED TO
05:17:09PM PRESENT THE REVISED SITE PLAN TO CITY COUNCIL FOR ITS
05:17:12PM CONSIDERATION.
05:17:13PM TONIGHT'S HEARING IS PART OF THE FIRST STEP OF THE
05:17:16PM ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS AND REQUIRES CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER
05:17:21PM THE REVISED SITE PLAN AS A PROPOSED SETTLEMENT.
05:17:24PM IF CITY COUNCIL REJECTS THE REMEDIATED SETTLEMENT, THE
05:17:28PM SECOND STEP IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS IS TRIGGERED THAT
05:17:31PM ALLOWS A HEARING BEFORE THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE TO DETERMINE
05:17:34PM IF CITY COUNCIL'S ACTION IN FEBRUARY OF 2024 WAS
05:17:38PM UNREASONABLE OR UNFAIRLY BURDENS THE PROPERTY.
05:17:41PM THE PROJECT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS
05:17:44PM DENIED LAST YEAR.
05:17:45PM THE REDESIGNED PROJECT LOWERS THE HEIGHT OF THE MULTIFAMILY
05:17:49PM STRUCTURE FROM 26 STORIES TO 16 STORIES AT A MAXIMUM HEIGHT
05:17:55PM OF 195 FEET.
05:17:57PM IT REDUCES THE NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS FROM 42 TO 38.
05:18:02PM REDUCES THE DENSITY FROM 29.3 UNITS TO THE ACRE TO 26.6.
05:18:07PM AND CONSISTENT WITH THE SITE PLAN PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL
05:18:10PM IN FEBRUARY OF 2024, THERE IS NO REQUEST FOR A BONUS DENSITY
05:18:15PM AGREEMENT.
05:18:15PM THERE ARE NO PARKING WAIVERS.
05:18:17PM AND THERE ARE NO NEW WAIVERS.
05:18:19PM ALL GRAND TREES ARE BEING RETAINED.
05:18:21PM THERE WILL BE AN EIGHT-FOOT SIDEWALK ALONG YSABELLA.
05:18:26PM 20-FOOT SETBACK ON THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY WITH AN ENHANCED
05:18:30PM LANDSCAPE BUFFER ENHANCED GREEN SPACE, AND AMENITY DECK HAS
05:18:35PM BEEN RELOCATED WITH A REQUEST FROM THE GARDEN CLUB.
05:18:38PM IN A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING, CITY COUNCIL LOOKS IF THE
05:18:42PM APPLICANT HAS DEMONSTRATED BY SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE
05:18:45PM THAT THE PROJECT MEETS THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT
05:18:47PM REGULATIONS AND CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
05:18:49PM AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, BECAUSE THIS IS A MEDIATED
05:18:53PM SETTLEMENT, THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS THAT CITY COUNCIL MUST
05:18:55PM TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, INCLUDING THE FACT THAT IF THE
05:18:58PM SETTLEMENT PROPOSAL IS APPROVED, ALL PENDING ACTIONS AND
05:19:02PM LITIGATION WILL BE DISMISSED WITH PREJUDICE WITH EACH PARTY
05:19:06PM BEARING ITS OWN ATTORNEY FEES AND COSTS.
05:19:08PM SO PURSUANT TO SECTION 70.51, SUBSECTIONS 21, CITY COUNCIL
05:19:15PM HAS THREE OPTIONS THIS EVENING.
05:19:16PM AND YOU HAVE A COPY OF THOSE OPTIONS ALONG WITH A COPY OF
05:19:20PM THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE IN THE EVENT THAT CITY COUNCIL
05:19:26PM EXPECTS THE SETTLEMENT.
05:19:27PM OPTIONS INCLUDE ACCEPTING THE IMMEDIATE SETTLEMENT AND
05:19:31PM IMPLEMENT THE SETTLEMENT.
05:19:33PM IMPLEMENTATION BY PLACING THE ORDINANCE FOR REZONING ON
05:19:36PM FIRST READING AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE WILL STILL HAVE TO
05:19:39PM HAVE SECOND READING TWO TO THREE WEEKS LATER.
05:19:42PM ON THE OTHER HAND, CITY COUNCIL MAY REJECT THE MEDIATED
05:19:45PM SETTLEMENT AND THE THIRD OPTION, YOU MAY MODIFY THE MEDIATED
05:19:50PM SETTLEMENT WITH THE SENTENCE OF THE MODIFICATION BY THE
05:19:53PM RELATED GROUP AND THE SYNAGOGUE.
05:19:55PM SO UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME OR MORE MR. HARVEY.
05:19:59PM I WILL TURN IT OVER TO JUDGE BATTLES.
05:20:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY.
05:20:03PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: BRIEF HOUSEKEEPING.
05:20:07PM WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC
05:20:11PM INSPECTION.
05:20:11PM A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
05:20:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN
05:20:16PM HENDERSON.
05:20:16PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
05:20:19PM OPPOSED.
05:20:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: PLEASE DISCLOSE IF ANY VERBAL EX-PARTE
05:20:24PM COMMUNICATIONS RELATED TO THIS CASE.
05:20:27PM >>LUIS VIERA: I WAS CALLED BY A REPORTER TO COMMENT ON IT.
05:20:30PM I SAID I CANNOT SUBSTANTIVELY COMMENT ON IT.
05:20:34PM THAT'S IT.
05:20:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I SEE NO RESPONSE FROM ANYONE ELSE.
05:20:38PM THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
05:20:39PM >>CATE WELLS: THANK YOU.
05:20:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:20:42PM JUDGE, PLEASE COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME.
05:20:45PM >> WELL, THANK YOU.
05:20:48PM AND GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
05:20:52PM AGAIN, I AM LAMAR BATTLES.
05:20:54PM I WAS THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE IN THIS PROCEEDING.
05:21:00PM FIRST, IT IS AN HONOR TO APPEAR BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.
05:21:04PM AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT MISS WELLS TOUCHED BASICALLY ON
05:21:08PM EVERYTHING THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT TELLING YOU, TO TELL YOU
05:21:11PM THAT WE HAD A MEDIATION PURSUANT TO THE FLORIDA LAND USE AND
05:21:14PM ENVIRONMENTAL DISPUTE ACT, SECTION 70.51 OF THE FLORIDA
05:21:21PM STATUTES.
05:21:21PM THE PETITIONERS DID IN FACT FILE A REQUEST FOR RELIEF UNDER
05:21:25PM THAT ACT WHICH THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO.
05:21:28PM AND THAT FOLLOWED THEIR DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION TO REZONE
05:21:31PM THE REAL PROPERTY AT ISSUE.
05:21:33PM THE ACT, AS SHE JUST EXPLAINED, ALLOWS THE PETITIONER IN THIS
05:21:39PM CASE, WHEN THEY BELIEVE THE ACT IS UNREASONABLE OR UNFAIRLY
05:21:43PM BURDENS THE USE OF THEIR REAL PROPERTY TO SEEK RELIEF UNDER
05:21:47PM THE ACT.
05:21:47PM YOU WITH NOT A REVIEW I WANT TO EMPHASIZE.
05:21:50PM NOT A REVIEW WHETHER THE ACTION OF THE COUNCIL IS SUPPORTED
05:21:53PM BY COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
05:21:55PM THAT IS NOT WHAT IT IS ABOUT.
05:21:57PM INDEED PURSUANT TO THE ACT, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE
05:22:02PM NOTICED EVERYONE WHO WAS INTERESTED IN THE PROPERTY THAT IS
05:22:05PM ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
05:22:06PM OTHERS WHO AND BEFORE YOU BEFORE AND COMMENTED.
05:22:09PM THEY NOTICED THE MEDIATION.
05:22:12PM AND IN FACT, THE -- ON JUNE 14, THE PARTIES MET AND SPENT A
05:22:16PM LONG DAY.
05:22:17PM THEY WORKED VERY HARD EXPLORING OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMPROMISE
05:22:20PM AND POSSIBLE SETTLEMENT.
05:22:22PM MY ROLE, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE, WAS TO FACILITATE
05:22:26PM COMMUNICATION AND NEGOTIATIONS, NOT TO IMPOSE A DECISION.
05:22:31PM THE CONCLUSION OF THAT JUNE 14 SESSION, THEY HAD WORKED
05:22:36PM HARD.
05:22:36PM THEY HAD MADE PROGRESS.
05:22:37PM BUT THE PARTIES WERE CLOSE TO MUTUALLY AGREEABLE CONDITIONS
05:22:42PM FOR PROPOSED SETTLEMENT, BUT THEY HAVEN'T REACHED THAT.
05:22:45PM THERE WAS MORE WORK TO BE DONE.
05:22:47PM SO, IN FACT, WE GAVE THE PARTIES SOME TIME TO WORK ON THE
05:22:51PM SITE PLAN AND SOME OF THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS AND WE
05:22:53PM RECONVENED ON JULY 26, 2024 FOR ANOTHER DAY OF NEGOTIATIONS.
05:22:57PM AGREEMENT WAS REACHED ON THAT DAY.
05:22:59PM AND IT WAS PRESENTED TO THOSE INTERESTED INDIVIDUALS WHO
05:23:03PM HAVE BEEN NOTICED AND IN ATTENDANCE AND THEY WERE GIVEN AN
05:23:07PM OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE IMPACT OF THE RECOMMENDED
05:23:09PM ADJUSTMENTS FOR AGREEMENT FROM THE NEGOTIATIONS ON THEIR
05:23:12PM SUBSTANTIAL INTEREST.
05:23:13PM THE MEDIATION THEN CONCLUDED WITH THE MUTUALLY AGREEABLE
05:23:17PM CONDITIONS BETWEEN THE PARTIES.
05:23:18PM SUBJECT TO PREPARATION AND REVIEW OF A REVISED SITE PLAN
05:23:23PM INCORPORATING THOSE CONDITIONS.
05:23:25PM THAT REVISED SITE PLAN CONFIRMED BY THE PARTIES AS ADEQUATE
05:23:30PM ARE THE INCORPORATING THOSE CONDITIONS WERE RECEIVED IN MY
05:23:33PM OFFICE ON SEPTEMBER 14, 2024.
05:23:36PM I SUBMITTED THAT NEGOTIATED SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT FOR YOUR
05:23:41PM CONSIDERATION, REFLECTING ONLY THE STATES OF THE MEDIATED
05:23:45PM SESSIONS, IDENTIFYING THE PARTIES AND OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE
05:23:47PM AT THOSE SESSIONS AND RECORDING THAT A PROPOSED SETTLEMENT
05:23:50PM AGREEMENT AS TO THE PERMISSIBLE USE OF THE LAND HAS BEEN
05:23:53PM REACHED AND ATTACHING THAT AGREED-UPON REVISED SITE PLAN.
05:23:57PM I WANT TO EMPHASIZE AGAIN THAT I WAS THE MEDIATOR AT THIS
05:24:00PM PHASE OF THE PROCESS.
05:24:01PM ACCORDINGLY, IT WAS NOT -- AND IT IS NOT MY ROLE AT THIS
05:24:06PM STAGE TO RECOMMEND FOR OR AGAINST THE PROPOSED SETTLEMENT.
05:24:08PM I WAS ACTING AS A MEDIATOR.
05:24:12PM THAT WAS THE ROLE AT THIS STAGE.
05:24:14PM I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE PARTIES IN THIS CASE CAME WELL
05:24:16PM PREPARED FOR A MEDIATION.
05:24:18PM I THINK I CAN COMMENT ON THAT.
05:24:19PM THEY WORKED VERY HARD.
05:24:21PM THEY HAD EXPERTS AND INFORMATION AVAILABLE.
05:24:23PM AND THEY -- AND HAVING WORKED HARD AND DILIGENTLY BROUGHT IN
05:24:28PM AGREEMENT TO YOU AFTER THOSE PROCEEDINGS.
05:24:32PM FINALLY I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE INVOLVED FOR ALLOWING ME TO
05:24:35PM PARTICIPATE IN THESE VERY IMPORTANT EFFORTS.
05:24:37PM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
05:24:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
05:24:42PM YES, MA'AM, MISS DOCK.
05:24:44PM >>LaCHONE DOCK: THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN AND COUNCIL.
05:24:49PM SO WE CAN GET STARTED WITH THIS EVENING'S AGENDA.
05:24:52PM THIS IS REZ 24-06.
05:24:55PM THIS IS FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2713 BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
05:24:59PM THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM PD PLANNED
05:25:03PM DEVELOPMENT TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
05:25:05PM THIS IS TO ALLOW FOR A PLACE OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY AND
05:25:08PM RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY USES.
05:25:10PM CURRENT PD WAS APPROVED AND FOR A PLACE OF RELIGIOUS
05:25:15PM ASSEMBLY.
05:25:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, MA'AM?
05:25:20PM >>LaCHONE DOCK: LaCHONE DOCK, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
05:25:23PM AND TURN IT OVER TO DANNY TO GIVE HIS REPORT.
05:25:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HELLO, SIR.
05:25:26PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
05:25:28PM >>DANNY COLLINS: DANNY COLLINS WITH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION
05:25:30PM STAFF.
05:25:30PM I WAS SWORN IN.
05:25:31PM THIS CASE IS IN THE SOUTH TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT
05:25:34PM SPECIFICALLY IN THE BAYSHORE GARDENS NEIGHBORHOOD.
05:25:37PM IT IS WITHIN EVACUATION ZONE A.
05:25:42PM THIS IS THE SUBJECT SITE HERE AS OUTLINED IN THE PURPLE
05:25:45PM COLOR AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF WEST BARCELONA AND BAYSHORE
05:25:49PM BOULEVARD.
05:25:50PM THIS IS SOUTH YSABELLA AVENUE HERE.
05:25:52PM DIRECTLY TO THE NORTHWEST OF THE SITE IS AN APARTMENT
05:25:56PM BUILDING.
05:25:57PM THIS IS THE ALTURA BAYSHORE APARTMENTS HERE.
05:26:00PM AND WE HAVE SOME TOWNHOMES ALONG WEST BARCELONA STREET AS
05:26:05PM WELL AS YSABELLA AND FRED BALL PARK JUST TO THE NORTHEAST OF
05:26:09PM THE SITE.
05:26:09PM THE SUBJECT SITE IS RECOGNIZED UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL-35 LAND
05:26:16PM USE DESIGNATION.
05:26:17PM MEDIUM CATEGORY, 45 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
05:26:24PM TO THE EAST, WEST AND SOUTHWEST OF THE SITE.
05:26:28PM DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTHWEST OVER HERE IS LAND RECOGNIZED UNDER
05:26:32PM THE COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35 DESIGNATION, WHICH ALLOWS
05:26:36PM DEVELOPMENT UP TO 35 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE OR UP TO
05:26:42PM 2.5 FAR.
05:26:42PM ALSO TO THE NORTHWEST OF THE SITE, HERE WE HAVE PARCELS
05:26:46PM RECOGNIZED UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL-83, WHICH IS A HIGH DENSITY
05:26:50PM RESIDENTIAL CATEGORY.
05:26:50PM THAT CATEGORY IS ALSO FOUND ALONG BAYSHORE BOULEVARD AS YOU
05:26:55PM MOVE NORTH TOWARD DOWNTOWN, AS WELL AS SOUTH TOWARD BALLAST
05:26:59PM POINT.
05:26:59PM THERE ARE ALSO PARCELS RECOGNIZED UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL 50
05:27:03PM ABOUT ONE BLOCK SOUTH OF THE SKY.
05:27:05PM THE APPLICANT PROPOSE AS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT CONSISTING OF
05:27:08PM 38 MULTIFAMILY DWELLING UNITS.
05:27:10PM AND A 18,014-SQUARE-FOOT PLACE OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY.
05:27:19PM BOTH USES CAN BE CONSIDERED UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL-35
05:27:22PM DESIGNATION.
05:27:23PM AFTER ACCOUNTING FOR THE LAND REQUIRED FOR THE EXISTING
05:27:26PM PLACE OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A
05:27:31PM 26.657 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE ON THE SUBJECT SITE, WHICH IS
05:27:36PM BELOW THE MAXIMUM LEVEL OF DENSITY THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED.
05:27:39PM BELOW PROVISION AGREEMENT IS NOT NECESSARY.
05:27:43PM THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE DENSITIES AND
05:27:46PM BUILDING HEIGHTS OF THE SURROUNDING A AREA.
05:27:49PM DIRECTLY NORTHWEST OF THE SITE IS ALTURA BAYSHORE 22-STORY
05:27:54PM HIGH-RISE UNDER THE CMU-35 DESIGNATION.
05:27:58PM TO THE WEST AND NORTHWEST ON SOUTH YSABELLA AVENUE IS THE
05:28:03PM BAYSHORE PRESBYTERIAN APARTMENTS, 15-STORY MULTIFAMILY
05:28:06PM DEVELOPMENT RECOGNIZED UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL-83 DESIGNATION.
05:28:10PM IN ADDITION, SEVERAL 15- TO 18-STORY TOWERS LOCATED NEARBY
05:28:18PM NEAR BAYSHORE.
05:28:18PM WITH TALLER TRUCK YOU ARES ALONG THE NORTH OF BAYSHORE.
05:28:22PM THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A 16-STORY BUILDING, 10-STORY
05:28:26PM REDUCTION FROM THE PREVIOUS ZONING REQUEST.
05:28:28PM PLANNING COMMISSION FINDS THAT THE PROPOSAL WILL NOT ALTER
05:28:30PM THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREA AND SUPPORTS LAND USE
05:28:34PM POLICY 2.1.1 WHICH ENCOURAGES COMPACT HIGHER DENSITY
05:28:40PM DEVELOPMENT COMPATIBLE.
05:28:41PM THE KEY REVISION MADE BY THE APPLICANT IS THE STEP DOWN
05:28:45PM BETTER DESIGNED TO INTEGRATE THE NEIGHBORING TOWN HOMES
05:28:48PM LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF THE SITE ALONG BARCELONA STREET.
05:28:50PM AND MULTIFAMILY BUILDING IS SITUATED IN THE NORTHERN
05:28:54PM PORTIONS SO THE HIGHEST PORTION IS AT THE NORTHERN PORTION
05:28:56PM OF THE SITE ORIENTED TOWARD YSABELLA AVENUE AND STEPS DOWN
05:29:00PM IN HEIGHT AS IT APPROACHES BARCELONA STREET.
05:29:03PM THE APPLICANT IS COMMITTED TO ENHANCING THE LANDSCAPING OF
05:29:07PM THE NORTH AND SOUTH FACING FACADES WHERE THE PARKING GARAGE
05:29:11PM IS LOCATED.
05:29:11PM THIS LANDSCAPE ALSO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SCREENING TO MAKE
05:29:14PM SURE THAT THE GARAGE IS INTEGRATED AND ARCHITECTURALLY
05:29:17PM COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA CONSISTENT WITH 1.2.27.
05:29:21PM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ENCOURAGES HIGH DENSITY, MULTIFAMILY
05:29:26PM DEVELOPMENT AND PEDESTRIAN-ORIENTED URBAN AREAS WITH ACCESS
05:29:30PM TO TRANSIT SERVICE, EMPLOYMENT, AND AMENITIES.
05:29:33PM THE PROPOSED PD ALLIANCE WITH THE POLICY DIRECTION AS THE
05:29:37PM SITE IS ADJACENT TO TRANSIT SERVICES ALONG BAYSHORE BOULEVARD
05:29:41PM AND 1.4 MILE OF WEST BAY TO BAY BOULEVARD AND SOUTH MacDILL
05:29:46PM BOTH PROVIDE ACCESS TO SOCIAL SERVICES AND AMENITIES.
05:29:51PM AND TO HOUSING THE CITY'S POPULATION BY PROVIDING ADDITIONAL
05:29:55PM HOUSING OPTIONS IN THE BAYSHORE GARDENS -- SORRY -- YEAH,
05:29:59PM THE BAYSHORE GARDENS NEIGHBORHOOD, THE PROPOSAL ALIGNS WITH
05:30:02PM THE PLAN'S GOALS FOR ENSURING THAT ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF
05:30:07PM HOUSING TO MEET THE CITY'S HOUSING DEMANDS.
05:30:09PM BASED ON THOSE CONSIDERATIONS, PLANNING COMMISSION FINDS THE
05:30:11PM REQUEST CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA'S COMPREHENSIVE
05:30:14PM PLAN.
05:30:14PM THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
05:30:15PM AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
05:30:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS?
05:30:18PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:30:19PM MISS DOCK?
05:30:21PM >>LaCHONE DOCK: THANK YOU, AGAIN, COUNCIL.
05:30:22PM LaCHONE DOCK, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
05:30:25PM THE PD REQUEST BEFORE YOU WILL ALLOW FOR DEVELOPMENT OF 38
05:30:29PM RESIDENTIAL UNITS, AS WELL AS A -- A PLACE OF RELIGIOUS
05:30:34PM ASSEMBLY.
05:30:35PM THAT IS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE ON-SITE.
05:30:38PM 18,014 SQUARE FEET ON THE SITE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
05:30:46PM MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT PROPOSED OF 195 FEET OR 16 STORIES.
05:30:52PM THERE ARE 170 SPACES REQUIRED AND 170 SPACES ARE PROVIDED.
05:30:56PM BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE HAS BEEN REDUCED FROM 275,028 TO
05:31:05PM 196, 38 SQUARE FEET.
05:31:13PM THE SITE ITSELF -- AN EXISTING PLACE OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY
05:31:18PM THAT WILL REMAIN ON-SITE.
05:31:20PM THIS IS THE SITE PLAN PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.
05:31:22PM SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE EXISTING TEMPLE BUILDING THAT
05:31:30PM WILL REMAIN.
05:31:31PM THIS IS THE BUILDING THAT ACCOUNTS FOR THE EXISTING SQUARE
05:31:36PM FOOTAGE.
05:31:36PM AND THIS IS THE NEW BUILDING PROPOSED WHERE YOU HAVE THE
05:31:39PM OUTLINE OF THE PARKING ALONG WITH THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE
05:31:41PM ON-SITE.
05:31:42PM SO WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT AS DEPICTED ON THE ATTACHED PLAN,
05:31:50PM THE HEIGHT DOES STEP DOWN FROM THE NORTHWEST PORTION OF THE
05:31:54PM SITE TO THE SOUTHWEST PORTION OF THE SITE TO A HEIGHT OF 77
05:32:00PM FEET.
05:32:00PM THERE ARE TWO POINTS OF VEHICULAR ACCESS ON THE SITE FOR THE
05:32:04PM RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
05:32:05PM THAT IS FROM BARCELONA AND FROM YSABELLA AVENUE.
05:32:09PM AND THEN THERE IS AN ENTRY POINT THAT IS LOCATED HERE FOR
05:32:13PM THE TEMPLE.
05:32:13PM YOU CAN ENTER THE SITE ON BARCELONA.
05:32:17PM AND THERE IS A DROP-OFF POINT THAT IS LOCATED HERE.
05:32:20PM AND THEN YOU CAN PARK LOCATED HERE ON THIS SITE.
05:32:26PM AND THE SITE HAS A FUTURE LAND USE OF R-35 AS DANNY HAS
05:32:33PM MENTIONED THAT WOULD ALLOW TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF 30 DWELLING
05:32:35PM UNITS FOR RIGHT FOR 35 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE WITH BONUS
05:32:39PM PROVISION AGREEMENT.
05:32:41PM THE PROPOSAL CONSIDERS THE MINIMUM LAND AREA NEEDED FOR THE
05:32:45PM PLACE OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY, 30,020.
05:32:51PM 69,439 SQUARE FEET OF LAND ENTITLEMENT.
05:32:56PM AND THE SITE CAN BE CONSIDERED FOR THE MAXIMUM OF THE 43
05:32:58PM UNITS AND THEY ARE PROPOSING 38.
05:33:01PM SO AN AGREEMENT IS NOT REQUIRED.
05:33:02PM SO ON THE SITE, YOU CAN SEE THE INCREASED BUFFERING.
05:33:06PM YOU CAN SEE THE SETBACKS LOCATED ALONG THE NORTH OF THE SITE
05:33:13PM AND YOU HAVE THE SETBACK AND EXISTING STRUCTURE AND THE
05:33:19PM OUTLINE OF THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY ON THE SITE ITSELF.
05:33:21PM THEN THIS IS THE ZONING ATLAS FOR THE SITE.
05:33:27PM THIS IS THE SUBJECT SITE OUTLINED IN RED, AND THIS IS BAYSHORE
05:33:33PM BOULEVARD AND THE SUBJECT SITE WITH THE CURRENT PD ZONING.
05:33:36PM YOU CAN SEE TO THE WEST OF THE SITE IS COMMERCIAL GENERAL
05:33:40PM AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
05:33:42PM PREDOMINANT USE IS RESIDENTIAL OR MULTIFAMILY SURROUNDING
05:33:46PM THE SITE.
05:33:47PM YOU HAVE THE VARIOUS ZONING DESIGNATIONS THAT EXIST.
05:33:51PM TO THE SOUTH IS THE RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY ZONES.
05:33:54PM WE HAVE TO THE SOUTHWEST PD, AND THEN NORTH OF THE SITE, YOU
05:33:58PM HAVE THE RS-75 ZONING ALONG WITH THE PD LOCATED NORTHEAST OF
05:34:03PM THE SITE.
05:34:03PM AND THEN WEST OF THE EXPRESSWAY, YOU HAVE THE DIFFERENT
05:34:08PM DEVELOP PATTERN THAT JUST CHANGES A LITTLE MORE TO THE
05:34:11PM RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY AND THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE
05:34:13PM ZONING OF THE RS-50 THAT IS LOCATED WEST OF THE EXPRESSWAY.
05:34:17PM AND WE WILL HAVE ELEVATIONS OF SUBJECT SITE.
05:34:24PM THIS IS THE NORTH ELEVATION.
05:34:30PM THIS IS THE EAST ELEVATION.
05:34:31PM AND THIS IS THE SOUTH ELEVATION. THIS IS THE WEST ELEVATION.
05:34:40PM I HAVE PHOTOS OF THE SITE THAT WILL SHOW THE SITE ITSELF AND
05:34:46PM ALSO SURROUNDING THE SITE SOME OF THE USES THAT ARE THERE.
05:34:54PM THIS IS THE SUBJECT SITE IF YOU ARE ON BAYSHORE AND YOU ARE
05:34:58PM LOOKING SOUTH.
05:34:59PM THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
05:35:01PM THIS IS ALONG THE EAST BOUNDARY OF THE SITE AND ON BAYSHORE
05:35:08PM IF YOU ARE LOOKING TOWARD THE NORTH.
05:35:10PM THE NORTHEAST.
05:35:14PM THIS IS IF WE SWING BACK AROUND.
05:35:17PM THE SITE ITSELF IS OFF TO THE RIGHT IN THIS PICTURE.
05:35:20PM THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF BARCELONA AND BAYSHORE.
05:35:27PM AND THIS IS THE STRUCTURE THAT IS THERE IN THAT CORNER.
05:35:32PM THIS IS CENTRAL TO THE SITE.
05:35:35PM THIS IS FROM BARCELONA.
05:35:37PM IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT THE SITE. THIS IS ANOTHER PICTURE
05:35:42PM INSIDE OF THE SITE.
05:35:45PM THIS IS LOOKING WEST.
05:35:48PM THIS IS ANOTHER INTERNAL VIEW OF THE SITE, EXISTING WHICH
05:35:53PM WILL REMAIN.
05:35:54PM THIS IS SOUTH OF THE SITE.
05:35:57PM THIS IS AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.
05:36:04PM THIS IS SOUTHWEST THE SITE.
05:36:07PM THIS IS -- THIS IS WEST OF THE SITE ON BARCELONA.
05:36:16PM THIS IS BAYSHORE PRESBYTERIAN LOCATED WEST OF THE SITE.
05:36:22PM AND THIS IS THE VIEW LOOKING WEST ON YSABELLA.
05:36:25PM THE SITE ITSELF IS OFF TO THE RIGHT AND WE SWING ALONG
05:36:33PM AND THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE AND THIS IS, LIKE, THE BOUNDARY
05:36:36PM OF THE LINE JUST SHOWING YOU THE GARDEN CLUB IS OFF TO THE
05:36:40PM RIGHT.
05:36:40PM AND THIS IS THE SITE WITHIN THAT PHOTO.
05:36:43PM THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW SHOWING THAT PROPERTY LINE.
05:36:47PM THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY ON THE SITE.
05:36:49PM AND THEN THIS IS SWINGING AROUND NORTH TO THE GARDEN CLUB.
05:36:53PM AND WITH THAT, STAFF REVIEWS THE REQUEST AND FINDS THE
05:37:01PM REQUEST CONSISTENT.
05:37:02PM IF IT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION,
05:37:05PM THERE ARE SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS TO BE MADE BETWEEN FIRST
05:37:08PM AND SECOND READING.
05:37:09PM AND ALSO I HAVE WHAT IS A REVISED REVISION SHEET IF
05:37:13PM ADDITIONAL CHANGES ARE NEEDED TO BE ADDED DURING THIS
05:37:16PM HEARING.
05:37:16PM I CAN NOTATE THOSE AND I WILL STATE THOSE ON THE RECORD
05:37:19PM BEFORE THE HEARING CLOSES.
05:37:20PM AND WITH THAT, I WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO ERIN TO REVIEW
05:37:25PM NATURAL RESOURCES COMMENTS AND FINDINGS.
05:37:27PM AND I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
05:37:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:37:31PM YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
05:37:44PM >>ERIN MAHER: ERIN MAHER, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
05:37:49PM SPEAK OF THE RESOURCES ON THE SITE.
05:37:50PM ON THE SITE PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU, THERE IS NO NATURAL -- NO
05:37:54PM THAT RESOURCES WAIVERS FOR THE SITE.
05:37:58PM THESE GREEN CIRCLES ARE THE NONHAZARDOUS GRAND TREES THAT
05:38:01PM ARE BEING PRESERVED ON THE SITE. THIS ARROW HERE, THIS GREEN
05:38:06PM TRIANGLE IS THE 31-INCH SPECIMEN LIVE OAK THAT IS SHARED
05:38:12PM BETWEEN THE PARCEL AND THE PARCEL TO THE NORTH.
05:38:15PM THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING A 20-FOOT SETBACK.
05:38:18PM AND THE CODE FOR THAT TREE REQUIRES A 15-FOOT PROTECTIVE
05:38:22PM RADIUS, SO THEY ARE PROVIDING MORE THAN THE REQUIRED
05:38:25PM PROTECTIVE RADIUS FOR THAT TREE.
05:38:27PM AND I DO WANT TO POINT OUT RIGHT HERE THIS TREE IS TREE
05:38:30PM NUMBER 38.
05:38:31PM IT IS A 35-INCH DBH LIVE OAK WHICH HAD A PROTECTION PLAN
05:38:41PM SUBMITTED INTO THE RECORD AS WELL.
05:38:42PM THAT INCLUDED THE PRUNING PRESCRIPTION FOR THAT TREE.
05:38:45PM WHAT WILL BE REQUIRED TO PRUNE TO BUILD THE BUILDING
05:38:50PM PROPOSED.
05:38:50PM AND IT ALSO INCLUDES A MONITORING SCHEDULE ONCE THE PRUNING
05:38:54PM TAKES PLACE.
05:38:55PM AND WITH THAT, I WILL JUST SPEAK HERE ABOUT THE GREEN SPACE
05:38:59PM AND ENHANCED BUFFERING ON THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE.
05:39:04PM SO THE SITE 16481 SQUARE FEET OF GREEN SPACE.
05:39:11PM THEY ARE PROVIDING 35,995 OF GREEN SPACE AND THEY ARE MORE
05:39:17PM THAN DOUBLING THE CODE REQUIRED GREEN SPACE.
05:39:19PM THERE IS AN ENHANCE PLANTING ALONG THIS NORTHERN PROPERTY
05:39:24PM LINE TO THE NORTH.
05:39:25PM HERE ON THIS SIDE, THEY ARE PROPOSING A ROW OF SABLE PALMS
05:39:31PM TO THE NORTH EDGE OF THE BUILDING.
05:39:33PM THEY ARE ALSO PLANTING TEN-INCH CALIPER LIVE OAKS.
05:39:44PM THE CODE REQUIRES A 2.5-INCH CALIPER TREE.
05:39:49PM THE IT REACHES THE IT QUICKER IF IT SURVIVES ESTABLISHMENT,
05:39:56PM PLANTING AND ALL OF THAT.
05:39:57PM THIS 20-FOOT SETBACK -- TO THEY ARE PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, THE
05:40:01PM LIVE OAKS ONE EVERY 20 FEET PER THE CODE REQUIREMENT OF
05:40:06PM SPACING.
05:40:06PM THEY ARE ALSO PROPOSING MORE ENHANCED BUFFERING OF TYPE 1
05:40:14PM TREES TOO ALONG BUFFER TO ENHANCE THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER AS
05:40:18PM WELL TO THE EXISTING BUILDING.
05:40:20PM AND SO, YEAH, GIVEN THE PROPOSAL TO THE SITE, NATURAL
05:40:26PM RESOURCES FIND THE PROJECT CONSISTENT.
05:40:28PM AND I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
05:40:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
05:40:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO THE SETBACKS ON THE NORTH SIDE ARE
05:40:37PM SIGNIFICANTLY GREATER THAN WHEN THAT FIRST CAME, IF I RECALL
05:40:41PM CORRECTLY.
05:40:42PM BECAUSE THERE WAS CONCERN OF THE ENCROACHMENT ON THAT ONE
05:40:45PM LIVE OAK IN THE SHARED PROPERTY LINE.
05:40:46PM MY QUESTION ABOUT THE SABLE PALMS.
05:40:48PM IS THAT AN APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR SABLE PALMS?
05:40:51PM AND ARE THEY GOING TO ENCROACH ON A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF
05:40:54PM LIVE OAKS THEY ARE GOING TO PLANT?
05:40:57PM >>ERIN MAHER: THEY CAN BE PLANTED AT THE SAME TIME
05:41:01PM TOGETHER.
05:41:02PM THEY WILL BE PLACED ALMOST 20 FEET APART ALONG THERE.
05:41:05PM SABAL PALMS -- ALL PALMS HAVE TINY FINE ROOTS SO CAN BE
05:41:09PM PLANTED IN SMALLER AREAS.
05:41:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SOMETHING YOU SUGGEST AS A NATURAL
05:41:13PM RESOURCE OF THE INTEGRATION OF THESE TWO TYPE OF SPECIES?
05:41:17PM SOMETHING YOU WOULD ENCOURAGE, THAT TYPE OF PLANTING?
05:41:20PM >>ERIN MAHER: YEAH, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT PLANTING.
05:41:24PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
05:41:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY.
05:41:27PM YES, MA'AM, ANYTHING ELSE?
05:41:30PM ALL RIGHT.
05:41:30PM DOES THAT CONCLUDE ALL THE THAT.
05:41:38PM GO TO THE APPLICANT.
05:41:39PM SIR, STATE YOUR NAME AND 15 MINUTES FOR YOUR INITIAL
05:41:42PM PRESENTATION FOLLOWED BY -- YOU SAID --
05:41:46PM >> MR. SHIMBERG FOR THE CONGREGATION.
05:41:49PM HE WILL BE THE NEXT SPEAKER.
05:41:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:41:52PM >> IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, ONE OTHER HOUSEKEEPING MATTER.
05:41:55PM FOR THE RECORD, WE RECEIVED 109 LETTERS OF SUPPORT.
05:42:01PM I AM NOT SURE IF THEY MADE IT TO YOU ALL.
05:42:03PM SO I WOULD LIKE TO PLACE IT ON THE RECORD.
05:42:05PM 11 X 17 HARD COPIES OF REVISED SITE PLAN THAT I WILL
05:42:10PM DESCRIBE THE CHANGE AFTER SOME COMMUNITY DISCUSSION.
05:42:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE HAND THEM TO THE ATTORNEY AND HE
05:42:14PM WILL PASS THEM OUT.
05:42:15PM >> THANK YOU, AND I AM NOT SEEING MY PRESENTATION YET.
05:42:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT IS OUR SCREEN.
05:42:44PM IT WILL COME UP IN A MINUTE.
05:42:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR?
05:42:48PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I SEE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX,
05:42:51PM SEVEN COPIES.
05:42:52PM DID YOU GIVE ONE TO THE CLERK.
05:42:53PM >> I DID NOT.
05:42:55PM I GAVE TWO TO STAFF AND MAYBE GIVE ONE TO THE CLERK NEXT.
05:42:59PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE WILL DO THAT.
05:43:01PM THANK YOU.
05:43:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. MIRANDA, IF YOU CAN HAND THAT TO THE
05:43:22PM CLERK.
05:43:22PM THANK YOU.
05:43:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF PUBLIC COMMENT
05:43:46PM AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH.
05:43:47PM MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE TRYING TO KEEP THINGS ORGANIZED.
05:43:51PM AFTER THE PRESENTATION IS DONE AND BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC
05:43:54PM COMMENT THAT WE TAKE A BRIEF RECESS JUST TO GET EVERYTHING
05:43:57PM ORGANIZED AND GET THE PEOPLE TALKING.
05:43:59PM SO GO AHEAD, SIR.
05:44:01PM YOU ALREADY STATED YOUR NAME.
05:44:02PM >> I THINK WE WILL NEED A BREAK BY THEN, MR. CHAIRMAN.
05:44:05PM GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL, MR. CHAIRMAN.
05:44:07PM I AM NOT USED TO SEEING YOU THIS EARLY IN THE NIGHT.
05:44:10PM THANK YOU FOR SETTING THIS HEARING JUST FOR US.
05:44:12PM WE ARE EXCITED TO BE HERE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, COUNCIL.
05:44:17PM BECAUSE WE HAVE GOOD NEWS.
05:44:18PM AS YOU HEARD, WE SPENT THE LAST YEAR WORKING WITH A MEDIATOR
05:44:21PM AND YOUR STAFF TO BRING BACK A REDESIGNED RESIDENTIAL
05:44:24PM PROPOSAL.
05:44:25PM WE ACCOMPLISHED THE TASK THAT WERE GIVEN TO US IN MEDIATION
05:44:30PM WE ARE PROUD TO SAY AND CAME UP WITH A PLAN THAT ADDRESSES
05:44:33PM THE CONCERN WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
05:44:34PM FITS INTO THE CITY'S PLANS AND IMPROVES THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND
05:44:37PM ENSURES CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM WILL BE A THRIVING PART
05:44:42PM OF THE TAMPA COMMUNITY FOR YEARS TO COME.
05:44:44PM WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE TIME TO MAKE THIS A
05:44:48PM BETTER PROJECT.
05:44:48PM ONCE AGAIN, WE HAVE A VERY EXPERIENCED TEAM.
05:44:52PM WE LIVE, WORK OR PRAY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
05:44:54PM WE HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME HERE, AND SO DOES RELATED WHY I
05:44:58PM WANT TO INTRODUCE TO YOU MR. NICK PEREZ, THE PRESIDENT OF
05:45:04PM RELATED DIVISION.
05:45:06PM >> THANK YOU, I WILL BE BRIEF.
05:45:08PM COUNCILMEMBERS.
05:45:09PM GREAT TO SEE YOU A YEAR LATER AND A YEAR OLDER FOR MONEY.
05:45:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: STATE YOUR NAME.
05:45:14PM >> NICK PEREZ, THE PRESIDENT OF THE RELATED GROUP.
05:45:16PM PRESIDENT OF ECONOMY OF RELATED GROUP.
05:45:19PM SINCE MY FATHER STARTED THIS COMPANY IN 1979, I HAD THE
05:45:23PM PRIVILEGE OF BUILDING AND CREATING COMMUNITIES ALL
05:45:25PM THROUGHOUT NORTH AND SOUTH AMERICA.
05:45:27PM WE ARE VERY PROUD OF THE WORK WE HAVE DONE HERE IN TAMPA, AS
05:45:30PM WE CONSIDER TAMPA OUR SECOND HOME.
05:45:31PM OVER THE YEARS, WE WORKED HARD TO EARN THE TRUST OF TAMPA'S
05:45:35PM RESIDENTS AND LEADERS BY DEMONSTRATING OUR UNWAVERING
05:45:40PM COMMITMENT TO THE CITY'S CULTURE, FUTURE.
05:45:42PM WE PROVEN THIS THROUGH VARIOUS ACTIONS AM NUMBER ONE,
05:45:46PM PRESERVING TAMPA HISTORY.
05:45:47PM AT RITZ-CARLTON RESIDENCES PRESERVED HISTORIC FOUNTAIN FROM
05:45:52PM LA CENTRO ESPANOL HOSPITAL RECOGNIZING TAMPA'S ROOTS AND
05:45:58PM ENHANCING TAMPA PUBLIC SPACES.
05:46:00PM VIBRANT ACCESSIBLE SPACES LIKE PIER PARK AND THE RIVERWALK
05:46:05PM EXTENSION OF RIVERWALK BRINGING ART, GREEN SPACES AND
05:46:10PM WATERFRONT TO THE CITY.
05:46:10PM INVESTING IN TAMPA'S WORKFORCE.
05:46:13PM HOW THAT OUR PROJECTS LIKE ROME YARDS, BUILDING MORE THAN
05:46:16PM JUST HOUSING BUT BUILDING ECONOMIC GROWTH AND TRAINING
05:46:19PM OPPORTUNITY FOR TAMPA'S WORK FORCE COMMITTING TO 40% OF THE
05:46:24PM CONTRACT VALUE FOR ANY NORTH AND WOMEN-OWNED BUSINESSES AND
05:46:27PM SMALL AND LOCAL BUSINESS ENTERPRISES.
05:46:30PM CHAMPIONING OF ARTS AND CULTURE WITH CASH DONATIONS TO THE
05:46:33PM TAMPA MUSEUM OF ART FOR FURTHER ART PURCHASES AND SKULL
05:46:37PM COMMUTERS AND DONATIONS THE THOUGHTFUL DESIGN THAT
05:46:41PM INTEGRATES ART INTO PUBLIC SPACES THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
05:46:43PM THIS BRINGS US TO WHERE WE ARE TONIGHT.
05:46:46PM RODEPH SHALOM SYNAGOGUE APPROACHED US AND WE THOUGHT THE
05:46:52PM ABILITY TO PRESERVE ONE OF TAMPA'S HISTORIC LANDMARK AND
05:46:58PM HELPING THE CITY.
05:46:59PM BY WORKING TOGETHER WE WILL PROVIDE THE SYNAGOGUE WITH THE
05:47:02PM VITAL AND ESSENTIAL RESOURCES IT NEEDS TO REMAIN IN THE
05:47:05PM ESTEEMED LOCATION ON BAYSHORE AVENUE.
05:47:07PM COUNCILMEMBERS, THIS IS NOT JUST BUILDING HOMES, IT IS ABOUT
05:47:11PM PRESERVING TAMPA'S HERITAGE, ENRICHING ITS CULTURE AND
05:47:14PM PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR ITS CITIZENS.
05:47:16PM IT IS ABOUT CONTINUING MY FAMILY'S VISION OF NOT JUST
05:47:22PM BUILDING BUILDINGS, BUT BETTER COMMUNITIES FOR EVERYONE.
05:47:25PM WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE DEVELOPMENT CAN BRING CURBS.
05:47:28PM WE ARE COMMITTED TO LISTENING AND ENGAGING THAT OUR PROJECT
05:47:32PM ALLIANCE WITH COMPANY'S GOALS, CHARACTER AND NEED.
05:47:34PM TONIGHT WE ASK FOR YOUR TRUST AND VISION FOR THIS PROJECT.
05:47:37PM A THOUGHTFUL COMMUNITY-FOCUSED DEVELOPMENT THAT NOT ONLY
05:47:42PM RESPECTS TAMPA'S HISTORY BUT ADDRESSES ITS GROWING NEED.
05:47:44PM I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT IN APPROVING OUR ARE
05:47:50PM REZONING REQUEST SO WE CAN WORK TOGETHER ON A PROBABLY THAT
05:47:54PM TAMPA COMMUNITY WILL BE PROUD OF.
05:47:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
05:47:57PM >> JAKE CREMER AGAIN.
05:48:01PM STAFF DID A GOOD JOB AND STAFF.
05:48:04PM I DON'T WANT TO TREAD THAT GROUND.
05:48:06PM THE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR
05:48:09PM THREE YEARS.
05:48:09PM YOUR FIRST INCLINATION, YOU HAVE BEEN HERE THREE TIMES, WHY
05:48:14PM DO YOU KEEP COMING TO US.
05:48:15PM TO BE HONEST, THE PROJECT HAS GOTTEN BETTER EVERY TIME MY
05:48:20PM TIME AS A PLANNER AND LAND USE ATTORNEY.
05:48:22PM I WISH THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN THE FIRST PROJECT WE BROUGHT TO
05:48:25PM YOU.
05:48:25PM NOT THE HAND WE WERE DEALT, BUT I TRULY BELIEVE THIS IS A
05:48:28PM BETTER PROJECT BECAUSE OF THAT.
05:48:30PM ANOTHER REASON THE PROBABLY HAS GOTTEN BETTER, WE CONTINUED
05:48:33PM TO HAVE COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS.
05:48:34PM WE HAD -- IF YOU COUNT THE PUBLIC HEARING TIME, WE PROBABLY
05:48:39PM HAD MORE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT THAN ANY
05:48:42PM -- CERTAINLY ANY THAT I EVER WORKED ON.
05:48:45PM WE HAD THREE OPEN HOUSES, INCLUDING ONE JUST LAST MONTH.
05:48:49PM AND SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT OF THAT IS THE CHANGE I AM GOING
05:48:52PM TO DISCUSS WITH YOU IN JUST A FEW MOMENTS.
05:48:55PM WE ALSO HAD MANY, MANY INDIVIDUAL CONVERSATIONS.
05:48:58PM SO THAT BRINGS US TO WHERE WE ARE.
05:49:02PM WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN TWO YEARS.
05:49:04PM AND YOU MIGHT RECALL, WE STARTED WITH 60 UNITS AND 29 STORIES
05:49:09PM IN DECEMBER OF '22.
05:49:11PM WE ARE DOWN TO 38 UNITS AND 16 STORIES.
05:49:15PM NOW COUNCIL, THE CHANGE IS SO SUBSTANTIAL THAT THE TOWER
05:49:19PM THAT WE INITIALLY PROPOSED WHEN YOU COMPARE THAT TO THE REST
05:49:23PM DENS BEFORE YOU TODAY, IT WAS ESSENTIALLY JUST THE TOP OF
05:49:27PM THE TOWER.
05:49:27PM THAT IS HOW MUCH SMALLER THIS PROJECT HAS GOTTEN OVER TIME.
05:49:30PM SO HERE IS OUR NEW COMPROMISE PLAN.
05:49:33PM AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE ALTURA, THE TWO RITZ TOWERS IN BACK
05:49:40PM GROUND.
05:49:40PM DOWN TO 195 FEET IN THE COMPROMISED PLAN, 39% REDUCTION IN
05:49:44PM HEIGHT.
05:49:44PM WE ARE DOWN TO 16 STORY ARE A 39% REDUCTION.
05:49:49PM WE ARE DOWN TO 38 UNITS, WHICH IS ONLY A FEW UNITS FEWER,
05:49:53PM BUT A 37% DECREASE FROM DAY ONE.
05:49:55PM AND REDUCED THE BUILDING SQUARE FEET ALMOST 30% FROM THE
05:50:02PM LAST TIME THIS CAME BEFORE YOU.
05:50:03PM WE ALSO STRENGTHENED THE DISALLOWANCE OF THE SUB CHANGE.
05:50:10PM THE BUILDING, THE FOOTPRINT, THE DETAILS, THE LANDSCAPE
05:50:13PM PLAN, NONE OF THAT CAN BE CHANGED UNLESS WE COME BACK TO YOU
05:50:16PM ALL AND ASK FOR YOUR PERMISSION.
05:50:18PM WE ALSO INCLUDED BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE SYNAGOGUE IS THE
05:50:21PM BUFFER TO THE NEXT-DOOR EVENT CENTER.
05:50:24PM WE HAVE A DEED RESTRICTION IN PLACE THAT BEFORE -- BEFORE
05:50:28PM THAT TOWER AND PEOPLE MOVE IN, BEFORE PEOPLE MOVE IN TO THE
05:50:31PM RESIDENCES THAT NOT ONLY WILL THE SYNAGOGUE REMAIN IN ITS
05:50:35PM CURRENT HEIGHT, ITS CURRENT FOOTPRINT, BUT THE ONLY THING
05:50:39PM THAT BUILDING CAN BE USED FOR A DECADE IS FOR A RELIGIOUS
05:50:42PM USE.
05:50:42PM THAT IS A FURTHER PROTECTION.
05:50:44PM SO HERE YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE BROUGHT TO YOU IN 2024, A YEAR
05:50:51PM AGO VERSUS NOW.
05:50:58PM WHAT WE BROUGHT TO YOU A YEAR AGO VERSUS NOW.
05:51:00PM WHAT I REALLY LIKE ABOUT THIS NEW DESIGN, IT HIGHLIGHTS THE
05:51:05PM MENORAH.
05:51:05PM ONE OF THOSE ICONIC BAYSHORE FEATURES.
05:51:08PM AGAIN YOU ALL HELD OUR FEET TO THE FIRE.
05:51:10PM I LIKE THIS DESIGN A LOT BETTER.
05:51:12PM HIGHLIGHTS THAT ICONIC FEATURE ON BAYSHORE.
05:51:18PM COUNCIL, I THINK YOU ALL KNOW THIS.
05:51:20PM NOBODY HAS A RIGHT TO VIEW IN FLORIDA.
05:51:23PM UNLESS YOU BUY IT, YOU DON'T HAVE A VIEW.
05:51:26PM THE OPPORTUNITY WITHER PRESENTED WITH, WITH THE
05:51:30PM REORIENTATION.
05:51:31PM WE MADE SURE THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ORIENTATION OF THE
05:51:35PM PRESBYTERIAN TOWER AND THE ALTURA TOWER THAT WE ARE NOT
05:51:38PM BLOCKING THOSE VIEWS.
05:51:39PM AGAIN, WE ARE TRYING TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
05:51:41PM WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW OUR TOWER IS ORIENTED, WE ARE LOOKING
05:51:45PM AT A DIRT PARKING LOT AND THE WATER.
05:51:47PM WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT THE GARDEN CENTER.
05:51:49PM NOT LOOKING AT THAT EVENT CENTER.
05:51:52PM SO THEN WE FOCUSED ON WHAT IS THE STREETSCAPE.
05:51:57PM THAT IS SOMETHING WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE LAST TIME.
05:52:00PM WE MAINTAINED TOWER COMMITMENT OF BARCELONA AND YSABELLA.
05:52:03PM WE ADDED A CONDITION NOTING A GRADUAL FENCE TRANSITION
05:52:07PM HEIGHT ALONG BAYSHORE JUST TO PRESERVE THAT CORRIDOR'S VIEW.
05:52:12PM WE HAVE ADDED A CONDITION AS STAFF MENTIONED REQUIRING A
05:52:15PM SIX-FOOT SIDEWALK AND AN EIGHT-FOOT SIDEWALK AND ENHANCED
05:52:21PM OUR CROSSING WITH A FLASH BEACON AS WELL AS EXTENDING
05:52:24PM SIDEWALKS OFFSITE.
05:52:27PM WHICH BRINGS ME TO THE COMMUNITY REQUEST.
05:52:29PM WE THOUGHT THIS WAS A GREAT SUGGESTION THAT CAME UP IN OUR
05:52:31PM COMMUNITY MEETING.
05:52:33PM THIS IS THE ONLY CHANGE IN THE SITE PLAN I PASSED OUT.
05:52:36PM I SPOKEN WITH STAFF, AND THEY FEEL LIKE WE CAN MAKE IT
05:52:40PM BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING IF IT IS COUNCIL'S
05:52:43PM PLEASURE.
05:52:44PM MID-BLOCK CROSSING.
05:52:46PM THE COMMUNITY CONCERN MID-BLOCK CROSSING AND SIDEWALK ACROSS
05:52:50PM THE STREET.
05:52:50PM AND YOU ARE CLOSING THE SIDEWALK ON THE EAST SIDE OF
05:52:56PM YSABELLA.
05:52:56PM WE MADE IT WHAT CAN WE DO?
05:52:58PM MOVE THE MID-BLOCK TO IT THE NORTH, WHICH IS CLOSER TO THE
05:53:01PM EXISTING BUS STOP AND FILL AN ADDITIONAL SIDEWALK GAP,
05:53:07PM AGAIN, FROM THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.
05:53:08PM EVEN WHEN WE CLOSE OUR SIDEWALK, OUR CONDITION SAYS, WE HAVE
05:53:12PM TO DO THAT.
05:53:12PM WE HAVE TO DO THAT TO ENSURE SAFE PASSAGE BEFORE WE ARE ABLE
05:53:17PM TO CLOSE THE SIDEWALK ON OUR SIDE OF THE STREET.
05:53:19PM STAFF DID A GREAT JOB BUT I WILL SHOW YOU THE COLOR PICTURES
05:53:25PM WHAT WE ARE IMAGINING FOR MORE GREENERY.
05:53:28PM WE HAVE MAINTAINED ALL OF THE GRAND TREES THAT WAS A
05:53:31PM COMMITMENT LAST TIME.
05:53:33PM WE ARE MANAGING THAT AGAIN.
05:53:34PM WE ARE MAINTAINING THE 20-FOOT SETBACK, WHICH IS THE SAME
05:53:37PM SETBACK HAS THE SCHOOL THAT IS GOING TO BE DEMOLISHED.
05:53:40PM THAT IS BEING MAINTAINED STILL.
05:53:42PM AGAIN, WE ARE ADDING ALL OF THIS GREENERY THAT ULTIMATELY
05:53:45PM WILL GET UP TO 40 TO 60 FEET TALL.
05:53:48PM OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS
05:53:53PM FOR HER WHAT THIS WILL LOOK LIKE.
05:53:54PM THE DESIGN AGAIN -- WE STARTED AT SQUARE ONE FOR THIS ENTIRE
05:53:58PM DESIGN.
05:53:59PM WE THREW OUT THE OLD PLANS AND STARTED FRESH WITH OUR
05:54:02PM ARCHITECT AND ENGINEERS.
05:54:04PM WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS REORIENTED THE COMMON SPACE, THAT POOL
05:54:08PM SPACE.
05:54:09PM YOU MAY RECALL IT WRAPPED AROUND.
05:54:10PM THAT IS GONE.
05:54:11PM IT IS NOW ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
05:54:12PM AND THAT IS LIMITED TO 77 FEET, BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO BE
05:54:15PM MORE SENSITIVE TO THE SINGLE-FAMILY THAT ARE DOWN ON THAT OF
05:54:20PM THE PROPERTY AND BANNING ANY SPORTS COURT.
05:54:23PM THAT IS GONE.
05:54:23PM NOT AN ACTIVE SPACE OTHER THAN THE POOL.
05:54:26PM SYNAGOGUE IS ACTING AS A BUFFER WITH THE DEED RESTRICTION.
05:54:29PM AND THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
05:54:30PM BECAUSE THIS WAS A BIG CONCERN LAST TIME THAT WE HEARD.
05:54:33PM THE BALCONIES ARE GONE FROM THE NORTH FACE OF THE BUILDING.
05:54:37PM THOSE ARE GONE.
05:54:38PM YOU CAN SEE THE OLD PLAN VERSUS THE NEW.
05:54:41PM THE BALCONIES ARE GONE AND THE UNITS ARE ORIENTED TO THE
05:54:46PM WATER.
05:54:46PM WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS AN EMERGING HIGH-RISE DISTRICT.
05:54:49PM I KNOW PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO HEAR THAT, BUT THIS IS.
05:54:52PM WHEN LIEU CAN AT THE TOWERS -- LOOK AT THE TOWER ARE
05:54:57PM BAYSHORE PRESBYTERIAN.
05:54:58PM BUILT IN THE SAME YEAR THAT THE GARDEN CLUB AND SYNAGOGUE
05:55:02PM BUILT THEIR PROPERTIES AT THE SAME TIME.
05:55:03PM EVERYONE KNEW FROM DAY ONE IN 1969 THIS WILL BE A HIGH-RISE
05:55:08PM DISTRICT, COUNCIL.
05:55:09PM SINCE 2020, WE HAD THE SANCTUARY, THE RITZ 1 ,RITZ
05:55:21PM 2, ACQUATICA.
05:55:22PM ALL MADE IT A HIGH-RISE DISTRICT.
05:55:24PM CHANGE IN CHARACTER.
05:55:25PM HI MAY BE FROM A COW TOWN IN NORTH FLORIDA, BUT THIS LOOKS
05:55:28PM LIKE BRICKELL AVENUE.
05:55:30PM THIS LOOKS LIKE BRICKELL AVENUE.
05:55:31PM LOOK AT THESE TOWERS, COUNCIL.
05:55:33PM THESE HAVE BEEN BUILT IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
05:55:35PM WE ARE WEDGED BETWEEN AN INTENSE EVENT VENUE PARKING -- DIRT
05:55:42PM PARKING AND THE 24-STORY ALTURA TOWER 1 2 FEET AWAY.
05:55:47PM THAT IS THE SITE WE ARE WORKING WITH.
05:55:49PM COUNCIL, A WALKABLE DISTRICT NOW.
05:55:52PM ONE OF PLACES OUTSIDE OF DOWNTOWN THAT YOU CAN TRULY SAY
05:55:55PM THAT.
05:55:55PM SO LET'S LOOK AT BAYSHORE GARDENS.
05:55:58PM BAYSHORE GARDENS IS NOW A MIXED NEIGHBORHOOD.
05:56:02PM YOU HAVE A RESIDENTIAL, A LOW-RISE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, BUT
05:56:06PM IF YOU ARE ON BARBIE AND GO SOUTH, IT VERY, VERY QUICKLY
05:56:10PM BECOMES A HIGH-RISE DISTRICT.
05:56:12PM A MIXED NEIGHBORHOOD AND GIVES IT ITS VITALITY.
05:56:16PM NOT A DOWNSIDE BUT A BENEFIT.
05:56:18PM WHY PEOPLE WANT TO MOVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
05:56:20PM COUNCIL, IF YOU DON'T LOOK AT ANYTHING ELSE THAT I PRESENT
05:56:23PM TO YOU TONIGHT, WE WENT AND CHARTED -- WE PLOTTED THE
05:56:26PM HEIGHTS OF EVERY TOWER IN THE BAYSHORE GARDENS NEIGHBORHOOD.
05:56:31PM THE AVERAGE IS ABOUT 20 STORIES.
05:56:34PM WE ARE PROPOSING TO YOU -- AGAIN, WE ARE PROPOSING TO YOU
05:56:38PM SOMETHING MUCH SHORTER THAN THAT.
05:56:41PM YOU LOOK AT THE RED STARS, THOSE ARE THE TOWER THAT ARE
05:56:44PM ADJACENT TO SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
05:56:46PM VIRTUALLY ALL OF THEM.
05:56:48PM THIS IS NOT UNUSUAL.
05:56:49PM THIS HAPPENS ALL OVER TAMPA.
05:56:51PM AND THAT'S WHAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS.
05:56:53PM THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS A MIX.
05:56:55PM AND IT HAS BEEN SINCE 1969.
05:56:57PM SO, AGAIN, WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL HEARINGS.
05:57:02PM SO LET'S TAKE IT BACK TO WHERE WE HAVE BEEN.
05:57:06PM IN 2023, YOU ALL BROUGHT SEVERAL CONCERNS TO THE TABLE.
05:57:09PM TOO MANY WAIVERS.
05:57:10PM GRAND TREES.
05:57:11PM DIDN'T NEED TO BE REMOVED.
05:57:12PM YOU SAID TOO MUCH DENSITY.
05:57:14PM YOU DIDN'T LIKE THE BONUS AGREEMENT.
05:57:16PM YOU DIDN'T LIKE THE SETBACKS.
05:57:17PM ALL THOSE WERE FIXED.
05:57:19PM WE BROUGHT THAT -- CAME BACK TO YOU IN 2024.
05:57:22PM WE RAISED SOME ADDITIONAL CONCERNS.
05:57:24PM HEIGHT, MASSING, PRIVACY, COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY AND
05:57:28PM NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENTS.
05:57:29PM AS I JUST WALKED THROUGH WITH YOU, WE HAVE ADDRESSED ALL OF
05:57:33PM THOSE AS WELL.
05:57:34PM SO WITH THAT, COUNCIL, WITH THE REMAINING TIME, I WOULD LIKE
05:57:38PM TO HOLD THAT FOR REBUTTAL AND OUR TEAM IS HERE IF YOU HAVE
05:57:41PM ANY QUESTIONS.
05:57:41PM THANK YOU.
05:57:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHIMBERG, YOU ARE NEXT, SIR.
05:57:46PM WHO IS AFTER MR. SHIMBERG?
05:57:51PM >> A COUPLE OF OTHER RANDOM SPEAKERS AS PART OF OUR TEN
05:57:54PM MINUTES.
05:57:54PM >> I WILL CLARIFY.
05:57:56PM AFTER THE CONGREGATION SPEAKERS, THEN WE WILL HAVE MR.
05:58:01PM RICHARD HARRISON.
05:58:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HE --
05:58:04PM >> I REPRESENTS THE GARDEN CLUB.
05:58:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: STATE YOUR NAME.
05:58:08PM >> MY NAME IS JIM SHIMBERG, REPRESENTING CONGREGATION
05:58:13PM RODEPH SHALOM.
05:58:18PM AS YOU HEARD FROM STAFF AND JAKE AND THE MEDIATOR, THIS
05:58:22PM PROJECT HAS CHANGED FROM THE RESPONSE FROM THE PUBLIC
05:58:26PM HEARING TWO YEARS AGO AND BASE ON TWO VERY PRODUCTIVE
05:58:30PM MEDIATION IN FRONT OF JUDGE BATTLES.
05:58:33PM THIS A DIFFERENT PROJECT THAN WHAT YOU VOTED DO UP IN 2024.
05:58:35PM MANY OF THE ISSUES RAISED BY THE PUBLIC THAT NIGHT HAVE BEEN
05:58:41PM ADDRESSED.
05:58:42PM WE MET WITH THE INTERESTED PARTIES AND TAKEN THEIR CONCERNS
05:58:46PM SERIOUSLY.
05:58:47PM AND THE FACTOR TO HAVE RODEPH TO SELL PART OF THEIR PROPERTY
05:58:51PM IN THE FIRST PLACE AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN DESPITE WHAT HAPPENS
05:58:57PM TONIGHT.
05:58:57PM YOU WILL HEAR FROM THEM.
05:58:59PM YOU WILL LISTEN TO EVERYTHING AND MAKE THE BEST DECISION FOR
05:59:03PM THE CITY.
05:59:04PM FOLLOWING ME ARE KEY LEADERS FROM THE SYNAGOGUE THAT WILL
05:59:07PM SPEAK TO YOU STARTING WITH THEIR THE, LLOYD STERN AND MR.
05:59:15PM TODD AND JONATHAN TANNEN.
05:59:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HELLO, SIR.
05:59:20PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
05:59:21PM >> LLOYD STERN.
05:59:22PM GOOD EVENING MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL.
05:59:23PM MY NAME IS LLOYD STERN, I AM THE PRESIDENT OF
05:59:27PM CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM, A SYNAGOGUE THAT IS A
05:59:32PM CORNERSTONE OF TAMPA'S JEWISH COMMUNITY FOR 120 YEARS.
05:59:35PM SENSE 1969, WE PROUDLY CALLED BAYSHORE HOME.
05:59:38PM AND TODAY I'M HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR OUR CONGREGATION'S FUTURE
05:59:44PM AND RESPONSIBLE GROWTH IN TAMPA OVER TWO DAYS, WE ENGAGED
05:59:48PM MEDIATION WITH THE CITY TO REFINE THIS PROJECT.
05:59:50PM EVERY STATE DEPARTMENT, WITHOUT EXCEPTION, REVIEWED AND
05:59:54PM RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE REVISED SITE PLAN.
05:59:57PM YET DESPITE OUR WILLINGNESS TO COMPROMISE AND ADAPT, WE
06:00:02PM STILL FACE CONTINUED OPPOSITION FROM THOSE WHO HAVE REFUSED
06:00:06PM TO EVEN ENGAGE IN MEANINGFUL DIALOGUE.
06:00:09PM LET'S BE CLEAR.
06:00:10PM THIS IS THE THIRD TIME WE HAVE COME BEFORE YOU.
06:00:12PM IT IS TIME TO MOVE FORWARD.
06:00:13PM TAMPA IS NOT THE CITY IT WAS DECADES AGO.
06:00:17PM I REMEMBER BEING MUCH YOUNGER.
06:00:21PM GOING TO DOWNTOWN AFTER DARK AND IT BE EMPTY.
06:00:26PM WHEN BAYSHORE WAS QUIET BUT STAGNANT.
06:00:29PM AND WHEN YOUNG PEOPLE LEFT TAMPA AFTER SCHOOL FOR GOOD,
06:00:34PM NEVER TO RETURN.
06:00:35PM TODAY WE SEE A VIBRANT GROWING CITY, AND THAT PROGRESS CAN'T
06:00:41PM HAPPEN BY RESISTING CHANGE, BUT BY ENCOURAGING CHANGE.
06:00:44PM THE GARDEN CLUB AND OTHER OPPONENTS ARGUE THAT THIS PROJECT
06:00:48PM WILL SOMEHOW HARM BAYSHORE.
06:00:50PM BUT BAYSHORE HAS ALREADY EVOLVED.
06:00:57PM THE TOWER A 24-STORY LUXURY HIGH-RISE AND THE YOUR COMING
06:01:01PM RELATED GROUP DEVELOPMENT HAVE ALL CHANGED THE SKYLINE IN
06:01:05PM THIS AREA OF BAYSHORE.
06:01:06PM THIS PROJECT IS NOW FAR MORE THOUGHTFUL, INTEGRATING GREEN
06:01:13PM SPACE, ADJUSTING HEAT AND -- ADJUSTING HEIGHT AND
06:01:20PM PRIORITIZING COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS.
06:01:22PM RODEPH SHALOM FOR EDUCATION, OUTREACH FOR GENERATIONS.
06:01:27PM THIS IS BIGGER THAN ONE BUILDING.
06:01:29PM THIS IS ABOUT TAMPA'S FUTURE.
06:01:31PM WILL WE BE A CITY THAT EMBRACES RESPONSIBLE, SUSTAINABLE
06:01:35PM GROWTH?
06:01:36PM OR ONE THAT CAVES TO A SMALL, VOCAL OPPOSITION AT THE
06:01:42PM EXPENSE OF PROGRESS.
06:01:43PM THIS PROJECT IS A WIN FOR THE CITY.
06:01:45PM PROVIDES SMART DEVELOPMENT, STRENGTHENS A HISTORIC
06:01:50PM INSTITUTION, AND DOESN'T COST THE TAXPAYERS A DIME.
06:01:53PM I URGE TO YOU DO THE RIGHT THING, NOT THE EASIEST THING.
06:01:57PM APPROVE THIS PROJECT AND HELP ENSURE THAT TAMPA REMAIN AS
06:02:02PM SEA OF OPPORTUNITY, NOT OBSTRUCTION.
06:02:04PM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
06:02:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
06:02:06PM NEXT SPEAKER IS BRIAN TAUB.
06:02:11PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
06:02:13PM >> MY NAME IS BRIAN TAUB.
06:02:16PM I'M A RESIDENT OF TAMPA FOR OVER 34 YEARS.
06:02:20PM AND I THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME THIS EVENING.
06:02:23PM I AM IN THE UNIQUE POSITION OF NOT ONLY BEING A MEMBER OF
06:02:30PM CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM FOR OVER 30 YEARS, BUT BEING A
06:02:36PM REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER IN TAMPA FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
06:02:38PM AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE LAST DEVELOPMENT I DID WAS CALLED
06:02:44PM "THE SANCTUARY."
06:02:45PM LOCATED ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD, APPROXIMATELY 50 FEET NORTH
06:02:51PM OF RUBIDEAUX AND 00 -- 200 FEET NORTH OF THE SUBJECT
06:03:01PM PROPERTY.
06:03:01PM LOCATED ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD, ITS NEIGHBORS TO IT THE WEST
06:03:05PM ARE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND TOWN HOMES ON PALM AND YSABELLA.
06:03:10PM I WAS FORTUNATE WILL YOU HAVE TO BE GRANTED UNANIMOUS
06:03:14PM APPROVAL BY CITY COUNCIL IN 2018 FOR THIS 15-RESIDENT --
06:03:20PM YEAH, 18-STORY, 200-FOOT HIGH-RISE DEVELOPMENT.
06:03:24PM SHORTLY THEREAFTER, YOU ALL, CITY COUNCIL, APPROVED ALTURA
06:03:33PM AT 274 FEET.
06:03:36PM THEY ALSO RECEIVED UNANIMOUS APPROVAL FROM CITY COUNCIL.
06:03:41PM BOTH OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE WITHIN THE BAYSHORE GARDEN
06:03:46PM COMMUNITY.
06:03:47PM AND BOTH OF THESE HAVE -- THE RESIDENTS AND THE NEIGHBORS
06:03:52PM THAT ARE IN THIS COMMUNITY ARE HERE TONIGHT ARE HERE TONIGHT
06:03:59PM CONCERNED ABOUT THIS DEAL.
06:04:00PM SHORTLY AFTER THE ALTURA DEVELOPMENT WAS APPROVED
06:04:06PM UNANIMOUSLY.
06:04:06PM THE RITZ RESIDENCES APPROVED FOR TWO TOWERS, ONE JUST UNDER
06:04:11PM 300 FEET AND ONE OVER 300 FEET.
06:04:14PM AND IT WAS APPROVED ALMOST UNANIMOUSLY BUT FOR ONE VOTE THAT
06:04:19PM WAS A DISSENTING VOTE.
06:04:21PM I THINK YOU SEE A PRECEDENT THAT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED BY THE
06:04:26PM CITY THAT BETWEEN STOVALL AND CAROLINA, A NUMBER OF
06:04:34PM HIGH-RISE CONDOMINIUMS.
06:04:36PM CLEARLY THAT IS NOT THE CASE IF YOU GO TO DESOTO TO SWANN
06:04:40PM WHERE THERE ARE NO CONDOMINIUMS.
06:04:43PM IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, THERE ARE A MIXTURE OF CONDOMINIUMS
06:04:47PM AND SINGLE-FAMILY TOWN HOMES.
06:04:48PM I WOULD ASK YOU PLEASE TO CONSIDER YOUR APPROVAL OF THIS
06:04:56PM PROJECT TO BE CONSISTENT AS CITY STAFF HAS SAID TONIGHT WITH
06:05:01PM THE WAY THEY LOOKED AND APPROVED THIS PROJECT.
06:05:04PM AND I THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
06:05:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, SIR.
06:05:08PM MR. SHIMBERG, ANYBODY ELSE?
06:05:13PM YES, SIR?
06:05:13PM COME ON UP.
06:05:14PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
06:05:15PM >> GOOD EVENING.
06:05:18PM I AM JONATHAN TANNEN.
06:05:20PM I AM A MEMBER OF CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM, AND A MEMBER OF
06:05:25PM THE BOARD AND I VOLUNTEER THERE AS A SUNDAY SCHOOL TEACHER.
06:05:28PM I JUST WANT TO TALK TO YOU OF THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS
06:05:31PM SYNAGOGUE TO OUR COMMUNITY.
06:05:32PM WE HAVE A WONDERFUL CONGREGATION.
06:05:34PM OUR MEMBERS CELEBRATE HOLIDAYS AND LIFE EVENTS THERE.
06:05:38PM WE -- LLOYD, WHO JUST SPOKE, HIS SON JUST HAD HIS BAR
06:05:43PM MITZVAH.
06:05:45PM PLACE WAS PACKED A FEW WEEKENDS AGO.
06:05:49PM WE DO COMMUNITY EVENTS.
06:05:50PM WE CELEBRATE HOLIDAYS.
06:05:53PM WE REVAMPED OUR SUNDAY SCHOOL AND I TEACH AS A SUNDAY SCHOOL
06:05:58PM TEACHER.
06:05:58PM KIDS FROM THREE YEARS OLD TO HIGH SCHOOL.
06:06:00PM AND WE WANT TO SUPPORT THAT BUILDING AND WE WANT TO SUPPORT
06:06:04PM THAT INSTITUTION AND KEEP IT GOING FROM GENERATIONS TO COME.
06:06:09PM AND UNFORTUNATELY, WE ALSO HAVE A 55-YEAR-OLD BUILDING THAT
06:06:12PM REQUIRES A LOT OF UPKEEP.
06:06:15PM WE ARE CLOSE TO THE WATER LINE THAT IS PROPOSED TO POTENTIAL
06:06:19PM STORM DAMAGE.
06:06:19PM IT WAS BUILT BEFORE MODERN HURRICANE CITY CODES WERE IN
06:06:23PM PLACE, AND WE WANT TO UPGRADE IT AND STRENGTHEN IT AND
06:06:27PM ENSURE THAT IT IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE THERE.
06:06:31PM AND WE -- THIS PROPOSAL SOLVES THAT PROBLEM.
06:06:36PM IT WILL GIVE US AN ENDOWMENT TO MAINTAIN AND STRENGTHEN THE
06:06:41PM BUILDING.
06:06:41PM ALLOW US FOR THE PROGRAMMING AND TO BETTER SERVE OUR
06:06:46PM CONGREGANTS AND BETTER SERVE THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.
06:06:50PM SPEAKING ON BEHALF -- ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD, WE DIDN'T DO
06:06:53PM THIS IN A VACUUM.
06:06:54PM THIS AREA ALREADY HAS SEVERAL HIGH RISE IN IT.
06:06:59PM I TOOK THESE PHOTOS JUST THIS EVENING.
06:07:01PM SOME OF THEM ARE SIMILAR TO PHOTOS YOU HAVE ALREADY SEEN.
06:07:04PM THIS WAS TAKEN STANDING IN RODEPH'S PARKING LOT LOOKING AT
06:07:10PM THE ALTURA THAT IS SUBSTANTIALLY LARGER THAN THE PROPOSAL
06:07:14PM THAT IS BEFORE YOU.
06:07:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S SEE THE FIRST ONE.
06:07:17PM >> ARE YOU READY TO SEE IT?
06:07:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THEY ARE CONVERTING IT OVER.
06:07:22PM JUST GIVE IT A MOMENT.
06:07:24PM THAT IS THE FIRST PHOTO.
06:07:25PM SECOND PHOTO?
06:07:29PM >> SECOND PHOTO TAKEN AT THE STREET LEVEL LOOKING AT THE
06:07:32PM OTHER TOWERS CURRENTLY IN THE AREA.
06:07:34PM I WALKED A LITTLE BIT UP THE STREET AND YOU CAN SEE THE
06:07:37PM BAYSHORE PRESBYTERIAN TOWER STANDING ON YSABELLA LOOKING
06:07:41PM NORTH AWAY FROM THE GARDEN CLUB'S PROPERTY.
06:07:43PM AND THEN THIS PHOTO I TOOK FACING SOUTH FACING THE GARDEN
06:07:53PM CLUB LOOKING AT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
06:07:59PM WE BELIEVE IT IS APPROPRIATE AND WILL NOT CHANGE THE
06:08:02PM CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
06:08:02PM IT IS IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS A COMPROMISE.
06:08:05PM PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING HAS SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGED
06:08:08PM FROM THE ONE THAT WAS BEFORE YOU THE LAST TIME YOU VOTED ON
06:08:11PM THIS.
06:08:12PM IT IS A MUCH SHORTER BUILDING.
06:08:13PM SIGNIFICANTLY SHORTER THAN SOME OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS IN
06:08:16PM THE AREA.
06:08:17PM I BELIEVE IT IS ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AS THE BAYSHORE
06:08:20PM PRESBYTERIAN TOWER THAT CURRENTLY LOOKS OVER THE GARDEN
06:08:23PM CLUB.
06:08:23PM AND IT IS WE ARE MAKING EVERY EFFORT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS
06:08:29PM AND ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
06:08:33PM NOW AT THE END OF THE DAY, NOT EVERYONE WILL GET EVERYTHING
06:08:36PM THEY WANT.
06:08:36PM THIS IS A COMPROMISE.
06:08:38PM AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD -- THIS IS A GOOD COMPROMISE FOR
06:08:46PM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ENSURE THE FUTURE OF THE SYNAGOGUE.
06:08:49PM ONE OF THE SPEAKERS EARLIER SAID THERE WILL BE A RESTRICTIVE
06:08:53PM COVENANT --
06:08:55PM >> I AM OUT OF TOWN.
06:08:56PM WE HOPE THAT THE SYNAGOGUE WILL BE THERE FOR TEN YEARS AND
06:08:59PM HOPE IT WILL BE THERE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AFTER THAT.
06:09:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
06:09:02PM THAT CONCLUDES YOUR TIME, MR. SHIMBERG AND COMPANY.
06:09:06PM NOW WE HEAR FROM MR. HARRISON, IS THAT CORRECT?
06:09:12PM HELLO, SIR.
06:09:13PM GOOD EVENING.
06:09:13PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
06:09:14PM MR. SHELBY, YES.
06:09:16PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. HARRISON, DO YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER
06:09:19PM FORM?
06:09:19PM >> I HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM, YES, SIR.
06:09:21PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM THIS
06:09:24PM EVENING, WHEN YOU COME UP, PLEASE HAND IT TO ME.
06:09:27PM WHAT I WILL DO --
06:09:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY, DOES THIS KICK OFF PUBLIC
06:09:31PM COMMENT OFFICIALLY?
06:09:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DON'T BELIEVE SO, BECAUSE AFTER THIS WE
06:09:36PM HAVE -- WE HAVE ANOTHER ATTORNEY WHO WILL FOLLOW -- THIS IS
06:09:39PM PART OF PUBLIC COMMENT?
06:09:41PM OKAY.
06:09:41PM I STAND CORRECTED.
06:09:43PM THIS DOES BEGIN PUBLIC COMMENT.
06:09:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PER MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE.
06:09:48PM SHE ASKED FOR A BRIEF RECESS BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF PUBLIC
06:09:52PM SPEAKERS.
06:09:53PM BEFORE WE BEGIN YOU WITH A TEN-MINUTE RECESS MR. SHELBY TO
06:09:58PM GET EVERYTHING ORGANIZED.
06:10:00PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SHE WISHES TO DO THAT NOW.
06:10:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SHE CAME OVER TO ASK BECAUSE THERE ARE A
06:10:06PM LOT OF PEOPLE DOWNSTAIRS.
06:10:09PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT HAPPENED -- IF I CAN -- MISS EDWARD IS
06:10:12PM NOT HERE.
06:10:12PM WE HAVE SEVEN NAMES HERE.
06:10:13PM THEN WE WOULD HAVE SEVEN NAMES, I SUSPECT, WITH THE FOLLOWING
06:10:17PM SPEAKER 14 ADDITIONAL SEATS THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE OPENED
06:10:20PM UP.
06:10:20PM THAT'S CORRECT?
06:10:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE WILL GO TO YOU, SIR, FIRST, AND THEN
06:10:25PM I WILL SEE WHEN SHE COMES IN.
06:10:27PM I KNOW SHE IS LISTENING.
06:10:29PM READ THE NAMES, MR. SHELBY.
06:10:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: PARDON ME.
06:10:33PM OH, THANK YOU.
06:10:34PM ANALISE MEYER.
06:10:37PM ARE YOU PRESENT?
06:10:38PM MAYBE SHE IS NOT IN HERE THEN.
06:10:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MAYBE SHE IS DOWNSTAIRS.
06:10:42PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT MIGHT BE THE ISSUE THEN.
06:10:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE WILL TAKE A RECESS FOR TEN MINUTES.
06:10:47PM I WANT TO KEEP EVERYTHING ORGANIZED AND DON'T -- YOU DON'T
06:10:50PM HAVE TO LEAVE.
06:10:50PM DON'T GO THROUGH SECURITY.
06:10:52PM WE WILL BE BACK IN TEN MINUTES.
06:10:53PM THANK YOU.
06:28:10PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
06:28:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
06:28:12PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT.
06:28:15PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
06:28:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VIERA IS RIGHT HERE.
06:28:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
06:28:23PM >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM MR. HARRISON IS THE FIRST
06:28:28PM SPEAKER.
06:28:29PM HE HAS A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
06:28:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
06:28:33PM FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC NOW DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, THE
06:28:36PM CITY COUNCIL RULES DO PROVIDE TO ALLOW A SPEAKER EXTRA TIME
06:28:44PM IF THEY PARTICIPATE WITH A PUBLIC SPEAKER WAIVER FORM WHICH
06:28:46PM IS AVAILABLE OUTSIDE.
06:28:47PM AND I SEE HERE THERE ARE SEVEN NAMES.
06:28:50PM YOU CAN HAVE UP TO SEVEN NAMES ON THE SHEET FOR EACH
06:28:56PM PERSON, AND THEY GAVE UP THREE MINUTES.
06:28:58PM THE PEOPLE WHOSE NAMES I CALL OUT WAIVE THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO
06:29:02PM SPEAK TO GIVE THE SPEAKER AN ADDITIONAL MINUTE.
06:29:04PM THIS IS TRUE FOR MR. HARRISON AND ANYBODY ELSE APPROACHING
06:29:07PM WITH A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
06:29:08PM WHEN THE SPEAKER COMES UP, PLEASE HAND ME THE SPEAKER WAIVER
06:29:14PM FORM BEFORE.
06:29:15PM THE PEOPLE WHOSE NAMES I CALLED HAVE TO BE PRESENT SO THEY
06:29:20PM CAN ACKNOWLEDGE THEY ARE GIVING THEIR TIME.
06:29:22PM I WILL ADD UP THE PEOPLE PRESENT AND TIMER WILL BE SET.
06:29:26PM FOR SEVEN NAMES WILL BE A TOTAL OF TEN MINUTES.
06:29:30PM IF I CALL YOUR NAME PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE ANA LEASE, KAREN
06:29:37PM ROBERTS, SUZANNE CORAL.
06:29:40PM JOANNE HAUSER.
06:29:41PM DEAN HOWSER.
06:29:42PM MARY SEVILLE.
06:29:44PM >> HERE.
06:29:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: TEN MINUTES PLEASE.
06:29:48PM >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, I AM ATTORNEY RICHARD HARRISON
06:29:52PM HERE REPRESENTING THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB.
06:29:58PM I WAS TO THE INVOLVED WHEN YOU FIRST HEARD IT BUT I WAS
06:30:02PM INVOLVED AFTER THE MEDIATION YOU TALKED ABOUT.
06:30:05PM GOOD TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU.
06:30:07PM ATTORNEY JANE GRAHAM IS HERE REPRESENTING ALTURA.
06:30:11PM WE TRIED TO COORDINATE SOMEWHAT SO WE ARE NOT REPEATING
06:30:16PM OURSELVES AND UNNECESSARILY TAKING UP TIME.
06:30:18PM WE HAVE ALSO MUTUALLY RETAINED A LAND PLANNER JEFF CADEMS
06:30:24PM WHO WILL BE TESTIFYING FOR BOTH TAMPA GARDEN CLUB
06:30:31PM AND ALTURA.
06:30:31PM I WANT TO MAKE REALLY SOME BIG PICTURE POINTS.
06:30:33PM YOU WILL HEAR A LOT OF TECHNICAL STUFF ABOUT LAND USE.
06:30:39PM I WANT TO MAKE BIG PICTURE POINTS.
06:30:41PM THE FIRST IS ABOUT THIS FLUEDRA MEDIATION THAT YOU HEARD
06:30:46PM ABOUT.
06:30:46PM BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A MISIMPRESSION THAT FOLKS LIKE
06:30:49PM THE GARDEN CLUB AND FOLKS LIKE ALTURA AND FOLKS LIKE THE
06:30:53PM RESIDENTS IN THE AREA, THE NEIGHBORS, WERE ACTIVE
06:30:57PM PARTICIPANTS IN THAT.
06:30:57PM IT IS A VERY BIZARRE PROCESS.
06:30:59PM A STATUTE THAT THE LEGISLATURE WROTE AND IMPOSED ON US.
06:31:03PM WE GET INVITED TO COME TO THE MEDIATION, AND THEN WE GET
06:31:08PM TOLD YOU DON'T GET TO PARTICIPATE IN THE NEXT.
06:31:10PM YOU GET TO SIT IN THE LOBBY AND WAIT UNTIL WE ARE DONE.
06:31:13PM THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.
06:31:15PM THE END OF THE VERY FIRST LONG DAY, WE HUNG OUT ALL DAY, AND
06:31:19PM PARTIES, BEING THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER WERE GOING BACK
06:31:22PM AND FORTH WITH THE MEDIATOR NEGOTIATING.
06:31:24PM AND WE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THAT.
06:31:27PM WE WERE NOT INVOLVED.
06:31:28PM AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY SAID WE DIDN'T AGREE.
06:31:30PM WE ARE COME BACK FOR ANOTHER ROUND.
06:31:32PM SAME THING HAPPENED ON DAY TWO.
06:31:33PM DAY TWO, THEY COME BACK OUT AND SAY, HA HA, WE REACHED WHAT
06:31:43PM IS AN AGREEMENT.
06:31:44PM WE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF IT.
06:31:46PM TWO WEEKS WORK CONTINUING TO AND PUT IT BRIEFLY ON AN
06:31:49PM OVERHEAD AND SAID DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY INPUT.
06:31:53PM THAT IS NOT MEANINGFUL INPUT.
06:31:56PM DON'T THINK THAT PEOPLE LIKE THE NEIGHBORS, THE NEARBY
06:31:59PM CITIZENS OR ADJOINING LANDOWNERS HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANT
06:32:01PM INVOLVEMENT -- OR ANY INVOLVEMENT AT ALL IN THAT MEDIATION
06:32:05PM PROCESS.
06:32:05PM NOT IN ANY WAY A CRITICISM OF JUDGE BATTLES.
06:32:09PM HE DID A GREAT JOB.
06:32:10PM HE DID EXACTLY WHAT THE STATUTE COMMANDS HIM TO DO WHICH IS
06:32:14PM TO TRY TO GET TO THE SETTLEMENT.
06:32:16PM JUST A VERY ODD PROCESS WHERE YOU GET INVITED AND YOU DON'T
06:32:20PM GET TO PLAY.
06:32:21PM SO THAT IS THE MEDIATION.
06:32:22PM ANOTHER POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS ABOUT PERSPECTIVE.
06:32:26PM YOU HAVE -- THIS PROJECT, AS YOU KNOW, HAS A LONG HISTORY.
06:32:31PM IT HAS BEEN DENIED AT EVERY STEP.
06:32:33PM THE LAST ITERATION WAS 26 FLOORS.
06:32:36PM OVER 275,000 SQUARE FEET, 42 UNITS.
06:32:41PM 49 FEET HIGH.
06:32:43PM I APPRECIATE MR. CREMER REMINDING US THAT IT STARTED OFF
06:32:47PM EVEN MORE MASSIVE THAN THAT.
06:32:49PM CURRENT ITERATION IS 16 FLOORS.
06:32:53PM 196,000 SQUARE FEET.
06:32:56PM 38 UNITS.
06:32:57PM 215 FEET HIGH AT THE HIGHEST.
06:33:00PM SO, YES, IT IS OBJECTIVELY SHORTER IN HEIGHT.
06:33:06PM NOBODY CAN DENY THAT.
06:33:08PM AND NOT SURPRISINGLY, THE DEVELOPER SPENDS A LOT OF TIME
06:33:12PM TALKING ABOUT THAT.
06:33:12PM BUT THE MASSIVE FOOTPRINT OF THE PROJECT HAVEN'T
06:33:23PM SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGED.
06:33:25PM THE OTHER CHANGES THIS THEY MADE FROM LAST ONE TO THIS ONE
06:33:31PM OUT OF THIS MEDIATION PROCESS IS MINERAL AND COSMETIC.
06:33:34PM DEPENDING ON WHEN AND WHERE YOU GREW UP, YOU HEARD THE
06:33:37PM EXPRESSION, "PUTTING LIPSTICK ON A PIG."
06:33:42PM DEVELOPER WANTS TO FOCUS ON REDUCTION IN HEIGHT AND TELL YOU
06:33:45PM LOOK HOW MUCH WE HAVE DONE.
06:33:46PM THEY WANT TO TELL YOU IT IS A COMPROMISE.
06:33:48PM WELL, BUT IT IS NOT.
06:33:50PM IF YOU START WITH A PROJECT THAT IS ABSURDLY INCOMPATIBLE
06:33:56PM AND THEN YOU SCALED IT BACK A LITTLE BIT, THAT DOESN'T MAKE
06:33:59PM IT COMPATIBLE, THAT MAKES IT LESS ABSURDLY INCOMPATIBLE.
06:34:04PM SO PLEASE KEEP THAT PERSPECTIVE IN MIND.
06:34:06PM THE NEW DESIGN IS -- IS INCOMPATIBLE FOR ALL THE SAME
06:34:11PM REASONS THAT THE LAST DESIGN WAS INCOMPATIBLE.
06:34:14PM HE WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE LEGAL ISSUES HERE,
06:34:21PM BECAUSE AT THE TOP OF THE HEARING WHEN WE KICK OFF, YOU
06:34:25PM HEARD THE CITY ATTORNEY TELL YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE --
06:34:29PM YOU ARE CONSIDERING THIS IN HAD THE CONTEXT OF A SETTLEMENT
06:34:32PM OF A PENDING LEGAL DISPUTE.
06:34:34PM OKAY.
06:34:36PM WELL, THAT'S FINE.
06:34:38PM ORDINARILY, WHEN I AM TALKING TO CLIENTS ABOUT A POSSIBLE
06:34:43PM SETTLEMENT, I AM ANSWERING QUESTIONS LIKE, OKAY, WHAT --
06:34:48PM WHAT IS THE RISK TO US IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS SETTLEMENT?
06:34:53PM WHAT IS OUR LEGAL EXPOSURE IF WE DON'T GO ALONG WITH THIS?
06:34:58PM WHAT ARE THE MERITS OF THE CLAIMS THAT THESE FOLKS ARE
06:35:01PM ASSERTING AGAINST US?
06:35:02PM DO WE HAVE GOOD DEFENSES TO THOSE CLAIMS?
06:35:05PM I HAVEN'T HEARD YOUR LAWYER SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ANY OF THAT.
06:35:08PM SO IT TEAMS A LITTLE ODD TO GET UP AND TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE
06:35:14PM CONSIDERING THIS IN THE CONTEXT OF A LEGAL SETTLEMENT BUT
06:35:18PM NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT IT LIKE IT IS A LEGAL SETTLEMENT.
06:35:21PM IN FACT, CITY ATTORNEY BACK IN MAY OF '24, WROTE AN
06:35:27PM EXCELLENT RESPONSE TO THE DEVELOPERS' PETITION FOR RELIEF.
06:35:32PM AFTER IT WAS DENIED WHEN THEY SUBMITTED THEIR WRITTEN
06:35:35PM PETITION ASKING FOR RELIEF UNDER THE FLUEDRA STATUTE, YOUR
06:35:41PM CITY ATTORNEYS PREPARED A WRITTEN RESPONSE TO THAT.
06:35:43PM IT WAS VERY WELL-DONE.
06:35:45PM THIS IS ONLY IN MAY OF 2024.
06:35:48PM JUST SHY OF NINE MONTHS AGO .IN THAT WRITTEN RESPONSE, THEY
06:35:53PM ADDRESSED SOME OF THESE LEGAL EXAMS, ALL OF THE LEGAL CLAIMS
06:35:57PM BEING MADE BY THE DEVELOPER.
06:35:58PM THE BERT HARRIS CLAIM.
06:36:00PM THE OTHER CLAIMS BEING ASSERTED.
06:36:03PM THE CIVIL RIGHTS CLAIMS.
06:36:04PM AND THEY TOLD YOU IN THAT WRITTEN RESPONSE THAT THEY IS IT
06:36:08PM NOT ANY THESE CLAIMS HAD ANY MERIT.
06:36:11PM THEY GAVE YOU GOOD SOLID DEFENSES TO THOSE CLAIMS.
06:36:14PM I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING WHERE THE CITY ATTORNEYS HAVE
06:36:17PM CHANGED THEIR MIND AND SAID WE DON'T STAND BY THAT.
06:36:20PM OUR ANALYSIS IS NOW DIFFERENT.
06:36:22PM I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY NEW MEMO DISCUSSING THOSE LEGAL ISSUES.
06:36:27PM SO WHAT HAS CHANGED FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE IN NINE MONTHS.
06:36:32PM THE ANSWER IS NOTHING AS FAR AS ANYBODY CAN TELL.
06:36:35PM THEY ALSO SAID SOME OTHER THINGS IN THAT WRITTEN RESPONSE
06:36:44PM THAT HI THOUGHT WAS VERY GOOD -- IT WAS A VERY WELL-DONE
06:36:48PM RESPONSE.
06:36:48PM TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE EVIDENCE FROM THE PREVIOUS HEARING
06:36:51PM AND SOME OF THE FACTUAL CONCLUSIONS.
06:36:53PM AND SAID, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THE EVIDENCE SHOWED THAT THIS
06:36:57PM PORTION OF BAYSHORE BOULEVARD IS UNIQUE AND SIGNIFICANTLY
06:37:02PM DIFFERENT THAN THOSE AREAS ALONG BARBIE BOULEVARD THAT
06:37:06PM SUPPORT HIGH-RISE DEVELOPMENTS.
06:37:08PM WELL, WHAT HAS CHANGED IN NINE MONTHS ABOUT THAT?
06:37:14PM NOTHING.
06:37:14PM THEY SAID IN RELATION TO THE PREVIOUS HEARING AS MANY
06:37:23PM LONG-STANDING RESIDENTS TESTIFIED, THE AREA SURROUNDING THE
06:37:27PM SUBJECT PROPERTY IS UNIQUE AND SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN
06:37:32PM THOSE AREAS.
06:37:33PM THAT SUPPORT HIGH-RISE DEVELOPMENT ELSEWHERE ALONG BAYSHORE
06:37:38PM BOULEVARD.
06:37:39PM IS THAT STILL THEIR VIEW OR IS IT NOT?
06:37:43PM IS IT SOMETHING DIFFERENT?
06:37:44PM THERE IS NO NEW MEMO.
06:37:45PM NOTHING THAT SAYS ANY OF THIS HAS CHANGED.
06:37:48PM THEY ADDRESSED IN THAT MEMO, THE WRIT OF CERTIORARI
06:38:06PM PETITION BY THE DEVELOPER AND THEY ADDRESSED IN
06:38:10PM THAT MEMO THE BERT HARRIS'S CLAIM AND THE DEFENSES TO IT.
06:38:14PM THEY ADDRESSED IN THAT THE RELIGIOUS LAND USE OF ACT CLAIM
06:38:22PM AND SAID THAT STATUTE DOES NOT PROHIBIT THE APPLICATION OF
06:38:25PM VALID NEUTRAL ZONING PROVISIONS TO RELIGIOUS PROPERTY TO
06:38:29PM CURTAIL USES NOT PERMITTED IN THE AREA.
06:38:32PM SIMPLY STATED, THE CITY COUNCIL'S ACTION IN DENYING THE
06:38:38PM APPLICANT APPLICATION DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A SUBSTANTIAL
06:38:42PM BURDEN ON AN ENTITY OR PERSON'S RELIGIOUS EXERCISE.
06:38:46PM I WOULD WANT TO KNOW IF I WERE YOU IF THE VIEW OF THAT HAS
06:38:53PM CHANGED.
06:38:54PM THEY ARE TELLING YOU TO APPROVE THE SETTLEMENT BUT NOT
06:38:58PM TAKING OF IT IN THE CASE.
06:39:00PM THAT IS AN ODD WAY TO TALK OF A SETTLEMENT OF A LEGAL
06:39:03PM DISPUTE.
06:39:03PM MY LAST POINT.
06:39:08PM I ONLY HAVE LESS THAN A MINUTE.
06:39:10PM YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM SPEAKERS THAT FOLLOW LOTS OF
06:39:13PM ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM CITIZENS, FROM RESIDENTS, FROM
06:39:18PM OUR LAND PLANNER.
06:39:20PM INFORMATION THAT HAS NOT BEEN BROUGHT TO YOU BY STAFF.
06:39:23PM INFORMATION THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN ANY PRESENTATION BY
06:39:26PM STAFF.
06:39:26PM AND I URGE YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT INFORMATION, NUMBER
06:39:30PM ONE.
06:39:31PM WHY IS IT NOT BEING PRESENTED TO YOU BY YOUR STAFF WOULD BE
06:39:34PM A GOOD QUESTION TO ASK?
06:39:36PM BUT PLEASE CONSIDER THAT INFORMATION AS YOU GO FORWARD IN
06:39:39PM THIS PROCESS THIS EVENING.
06:39:40PM THANK YOU.
06:39:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
06:39:45PM NEXT SPEAKER IS JANE GRAHAM.
06:39:46PM SHE HAS A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
06:39:48PM PLEASE HAND THE SPEAKER WAIVER FORM TO OUR ATTORNEY AND HE
06:39:52PM WILL READ OFF THE NAMES.
06:39:53PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MARGUERITE BRODY?
06:40:04PM THANK YOU.
06:40:05PM GEORGE BRODY.
06:40:06PM JENNIFER COLON.
06:40:09PM BILL ERNEST.
06:40:12PM THANK YOU.
06:40:13PM ROBIN ERNEST.
06:40:15PM THANK YOU.
06:40:16PM JAY SERENA.
06:40:18PM THANK YOU.
06:40:19PM ELISE SCHREIBER.
06:40:21PM SEVEN NAMES, TEN MINUTES, PLEASE.
06:40:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
06:40:27PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
06:40:28PM >> GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL.
06:40:32PM MY NAME IS JANE GRAHAM OF SUNSHINE CITY LAW.
06:40:35PM AND I REPRESENT ALTURA BAYSHORE CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION.
06:40:40PM THIS IS THE THIRD TIME THAT I HAVE AND BEFORE ALL OF YOU
06:40:43PM REGARDING A PROPOSAL ON 2713 BAYSHORE.
06:40:47PM YOU RIGHTFULLY DENIED IT TWICE BEFORE PACED ON ISSUES OF
06:40:53PM COMPATIBILITIES AND IMPACT TO SURROUNDING AREAS.
06:40:56PM TODAY YOU ARE HERE CONSIDERING A SETTLEMENT PURSUANT TO THE
06:40:59PM FLORIDA LAND USE AND ENVIRONMENTAL DISPUTE ACT FOR A
06:41:04PM 16-STORY BUILDING AND FIVE-STORY PARKING STRUCTURE.
06:41:06PM WHILE A COMPROMISE WOULD BE NICE, I ALWAYS TELL MY CLIENTS
06:41:09PM THAT SETTLEMENTS ARE GOOD BECAUSE IT ALLOW TO CONTROL YOUR
06:41:14PM DESTINY, BUT THE COMPROMISE NEEDS TO REFLECT WHAT IS
06:41:17PM ACTUALLY COMPATIBILITY AND WHAT IS GOOD FOR YOU.
06:41:20PM YOU TONIGHT WANT TO AGREE TO SOMETHING THAT IS TO YOUR OWN
06:41:23PM DETRIMENT.
06:41:24PM ON TOP OF THAT, AS MR. HARRISON MENTIONED IN EVALUATING
06:41:31PM WHETHER OR NOT YOU SHOULD SETTLE SOMETHING.
06:41:33PM LOOK AT YOUR LIABILITIES AND WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY EXPOSING
06:41:36PM OURSELVES TO.
06:41:37PM ALTURA OPPOSES THE NEW PROPOSAL AND RESPECTFULLY REQUESTS
06:41:43PM DENIAL ON MANY OF THE SAME GROUNDS THAT THE PROJECT WAS
06:41:47PM PREVIOUSLY DENIED.
06:41:48PM I AM GOING TO EXPLAIN SPECIFICALLY WHAT THIS IS, AND MOST
06:41:51PM CRITICALLY, THE PROJECT STILL LACKS COMPATIBILITY WITH THE
06:41:54PM SURROUNDED IMPACTED NEIGHBORHOOD.
06:41:56PM I AM ALSO GOING TO EXPLAIN AS WELL AS MR. HARRISON DID WHY
06:42:00PM SOME OF THE VARIOUS LEGAL CLAIMS THAT THE DEVELOPER IS
06:42:03PM LOOKING AT ARE WEAK.
06:42:05PM AND THEY ARE NOT A COMPELLING BASIS FOR SETTLEMENT.
06:42:08PM THEY SAY, WELL, IT IS A $7 MILLION DAMAGES FOR -- FOR A BERT
06:42:16PM HARRIS ACT AND LET'S BREAK THAT DOWN AND SEE WHAT EXPOSURE
06:42:20PM THE CITY HAS.
06:42:21PM I SUBMITTED A PACKAGE OF EVIDENCE INTO THE RECORD WHICH I
06:42:24PM HAVE HARD COPIES OF, IT INCLUDES THE CITY OF TAMPA'S
06:42:27PM RESPONSE TO THE PETITIONER'S REQUEST FOR RELIEF FROM
06:42:30PM THE FLUEDRA PROCEEDING WHICH IS REALLY EXCELLENT AND
06:42:33PM DETAILED, AND I WILL ASK YOUR STAFF IF THEY HAVE CHANGE
06:42:36PM THEIR MINDS ON ANY OF THE ANALYSIS.
06:42:38PM IT ALSO INCLUDES MR. KADEM'S RESUME AND REPORT.
06:42:43PM AND ALTURA HAD ATTRACT ENGINEERING, DREW ROCK, LOOK AT
06:42:48PM TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AND CONCLUDED THAT WITH HIS RESUME.
06:42:50PM FINALLY, INCLUDING A LETTER THAT HE WILL SARCASTICALLY
06:42:56PM CALLED A LOVE LETTER TO MR. CREMER FROM ALTURA THAT I WANT
06:43:01PM TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION.
06:43:02PM TALKING GENERALLY OF THE COMPATIBILITY ISSUE.
06:43:05PM WHAT IS DIFFERENT AND WHAT IS THE SAME?
06:43:08PM WELL, THE PROPOSAL MASS REDUCED SOMEWHAT IN SIZE, THE
06:43:15PM SURROUNDING AREA HAS NOT SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED SINCE THE
06:43:18PM FEBRUARY 2024 DENIAL.
06:43:19PM IF YOU LOOK THE ADJACENT PARCEL DATA TABLE WHICH IS ON THE
06:43:23PM SITE PLAN FOR RES-22-93, 2406 OF FEBRUARY 2024.
06:43:30PM AND RES 2406 NOW, YOU WILL SEE THAT THE ADJACENT PARCELS ARE
06:43:38PM MOSTLY IF NOT ALMOST ALL SINGLE-FAMILY OR INSTITUTIONAL.
06:43:41PM AND ALL OF PARCELS THAT ARE IN R-35 ARE SINGLE-FAMILY OR
06:43:48PM INSTITUTIONAL.
06:43:48PM YOU WILL HEAR A LOT TONIGHT ABOUT HOW ALTURA -- AND THIS IS
06:43:53PM ACTUALLY IN THE APPLICANT'S EVIDENCE THAT ALTURA REPRESENTS
06:43:56PM A PRIME EXAMPLE OF SIZE AND CHARACTER APPROPRIATE AND
06:44:00PM COMPATIBLE FOR BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
06:44:02PM AGAIN, ALTURA IS NOT ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD AND LOCATED BY THE
06:44:07PM SELMON EXPRESSWAY IN A DIFFERENT LAND USE MINUTED AUTO US.
06:44:12PM ADDITIONAL INCONSISTENCIES WITH THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
06:44:17PM THAT MR. KADEM ALSO SPEAK IN MORE DETAIL AND I URGE TO YOU
06:44:21PM LISTEN TO THAT.
06:44:22PM AS FAR AS THE CRITERIA 27-136 FOR THE BURDEN FOR A PD,
06:44:29PM I WOULD JUST LIKE TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE EARLIER
06:44:33PM RESOLUTIONS DENYING THIS SAID THAT IT FAILED UNDER NUMBER
06:44:36PM ONE, PROMOTING EFFICIENT AND SUSTAINABLE USE OF LAND AND
06:44:40PM INFRASTRUCTURE WITH CAREFUL CONSIDERATION OF THE POTENTIAL
06:44:43PM ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NATURAL ELEMENTS SURROUNDING IMPACTED
06:44:46PM NEIGHBORHOODS AND CULTURAL RESOURCES.
06:44:48PM WELL, THE STAFF REPORT DOES TALK ABOUT TREES.
06:44:50PM BUT THEY HAVE NO DISCUSSION OF IMPACTS TO TRAFFIC.
06:44:55PM AND WE HAVE A REPORT FROM ATTRACT ENGINEER THAT SHOWED BASED
06:44:59PM ON VIDEO DATA OVER A 24-HOUR PERIOD, THERE ARE 33 CUT-THRUS
06:45:04PM FROM BAYSHORE BOULEVARD TO BAY TO BAY.
06:45:11PM AND 49 BETWEEN 4 AND 6 P.M. AS THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER MR.
06:45:17PM ROCK, TRAFFIC DIVERTING FROM PRIMARY ARTERIAL ROADWAYS
06:45:21PM CREATE SAFETY ISSUES PREDOMINANTLY WITH PEDESTRIANS AND
06:45:26PM CYCLISTS.
06:45:27PM THIS IS EVIDENCE THAT SHOWS IT IS STILL GOING ON.
06:45:30PM LET'S GO TO THE THREATENED LEGAL CLAIMS.
06:45:33PM THE PETITION FOR WRIT OF CERTIARARI WILL BE AS SUCCESSFUL
06:45:41PM AS THE CITY EXPLAINS IN THEIR FLUEDRA RESPONSE.
06:45:46PM PETITIONER DID NOT MEET THE BURDEN OF PROOF BY RELYING ON
06:45:50PM SUPPORT FROM PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
06:45:51PM AND IT WAS BASED ON COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
06:45:54PM EXCUSE ME.
06:45:56PM LARGELY FROM -- FROM FACT-BASED TESTIMONY REGARDING THE
06:46:01PM AESTHETIC INCOMPATIBILITY OF THE PROBABLY WITH THE
06:46:03PM SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
06:46:04PM THAT IS STILL TRUE.
06:46:05PM THAT IS STILL APPLICABLE.
06:46:07PM THERE IS ALSO SOME INTERESTING LANGUAGE THAT SAYS THAT THE
06:46:12PM PETITIONER'S PRESENTATION FOCUSED ON POLICY CHANGES AND IT
06:46:15PM DISTRACTED FROM THE DOCUMENTED SURROUNDING BUILT
06:46:19PM ENVIRONMENT.
06:46:19PM SO I WOULD LOOK CAREFULLY AT THAT.
06:46:23PM AND, AGAIN, WHILE MR. CREMER SPOKE OF THIS EMERGING
06:46:28PM HIGH-RISE DISTRICT, I WOULD ADVISE TO YOU LOOK AGAIN AT THIS
06:46:30PM TABLE OF THE ADJACENT SURROUNDING USES WHICH ARE LARGELY
06:46:34PM SINGLE-FAMILY.
06:46:35PM THE BERT J. HARRIS PRIVATE PROPERTY PROTECTION ACT CLAIMS
06:46:42PM THAT CLAIMS THAT THE CITY'S DENIAL RESULTED IN A DIMINUTION
06:46:49PM OF FAIR MARKET.
06:46:53PM NOW IN FLORIDA, A BERT HARRIS ACT CLAIM MEANS THAT A LAND
06:46:58PM DEVELOPER WITH SEEK RELIEF WHEN GOVERNMENTAL ACTION
06:47:01PM INORDINATELY BURDENED AN EXISTING USE OF REAL PROPERTY OR
06:47:06PM VESTED RIGHT OF SPECIFIC USE FOR REAL PROPERTY.
06:47:08PM HERE THE CITY EXPLAINED IN ITS FLUEDRA RESPONSE THAT
06:47:14PM CONTRARY TO THE PETITIONER'S DESCRIPTION OF THE SURROUNDING
06:47:18PM AREA, THE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE SHOWED THAT THE
06:47:21PM BUILT ENVIRONMENT LOCATED BY THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS NOT A
06:47:24PM HIGH-RISE NEIGHBORHOOD.
06:47:25PM SO NOT ONLY DOES THE PETITIONER MISREPRESENT THE NATURE OF
06:47:29PM THE SURROUND AREA.
06:47:30PM PETITIONER CONVENIENTLY IGNORES THE CONGREGATION'S PAST
06:47:36PM ACTIONS WHICH ESTABLISHED WHAT IS REASONABLY FORESEEABLE
06:47:39PM LAND USE SUBJECT TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
06:47:43PM CITES TO SOME REZONING BACK AROUND APRIL 7, 2016, WHERE THE
06:47:48PM CONGREGATION SOLD THE BARCELONA PARCEL TO BAYSHORE SEVEN
06:47:53PM WHICH DEVELOPED A .25-ACRE WITH THREE-STORY TOWN HOMES.
06:47:58PM THAT GOES TO WHAT IS A REASONABLY FORESEEABLE LAND USE ASK
06:48:05PM YOUR LAWYERS WHAT THAT CHANGED?
06:48:06PM I WOULD SAY NO.
06:48:07PM NOW AN INTERESTING ONE, RELIGIOUS STATIONALIZED PERSONS ACT.
06:48:15PM UNDER ALOOPA FROM THE GOVERNMENT IMPOSING A SUBSTANTIAL
06:48:20PM BURDEN ON A PERSON'S RELIGIOUS EXERCISE UNLESS THE
06:48:24PM GOVERNMENT DEMONSTRATES THAT THE ISSUANCE WAS IN FURTHERANCE
06:48:29PM OF A COMPELLING INTEREST AND LEASE RESTRICTIVE.
06:48:34PM AS THE CITY EXPLAINED IN THEIR RESPONSE, TO REDEVELOP A
06:48:38PM PROPERTY IN A PROPERTY THAT IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE
06:48:41PM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IN ORDER TO
06:48:43PM FUND THE CONGREGATIONS FUTURE OPERATION IS NOT PROTECTED
06:48:46PM UNDER ALOOPA.
06:48:48PM YOU NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
06:48:51PM AND THEY ACTUALLY WENT ON TO SAY THAT OTHERWISE COMPLIANCE
06:48:54PM WITH ALOOPA WILL REQUIRE GOVERNMENTS NOT TO TREAT RELIGIOUS
06:49:04PM INSTITUTION ON AN EQUAL FOOTING BUT FAVOR THEM IN AN
06:49:09PM OUTRIGHT EXEMPTION FROM LAND USE.
06:49:11PM AND NO SUCH FREE PASS FOR RELIGIOUS LAND USES MASQUERADES OF
06:49:15PM THE GENUINE PROTECTIONS OF ALOOPA TO EXERCISE.
06:49:22PM AGAIN, TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY.
06:49:23PM I WANT TO STOP FOR A SECOND, BECAUSE TO THE EXTENT THAT THIS
06:49:26PM IS A LEGISLATIVE ISSUE.
06:49:31PM AND YOU THINK WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY?
06:49:34PM I WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR TO ALL OF YOU THAT MY CLIENT
06:49:38PM AND THE INDIVIDUAL EXPRESSING THEIR CONCERN IN OPPOSITION,
06:49:42PM THEY ARE NOT DOING IT BECAUSE THEY ARE AGAINST THE ESSENTIAL
06:49:44PM GOING TO.
06:49:44PM THEY ARE NOT ANTISEMITIC.
06:49:47PM THEY ARE LOOKING TO WHAT IS COMPATIBLE TO THE AREA.
06:49:50PM AND THEY WANT TO SEE DEVELOPMENT ON THE PROBABLY -- ON THE
06:49:54PM PROPERTY, BUT IT HAS TO FIT THE NABBED.
06:49:56PM SO WE HAVE SEEN THESE TYPES OF RUMORS GOING AROUND.
06:50:01PM AND I WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THAT IS NOT WHERE MY
06:50:04PM CLIENT IS ON THIS.
06:50:05PM SO I HAVE 24 SECONDS LEFT.
06:50:11PM THE EQUAL PROTECTION CLAIM IS SILLY, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK,
06:50:16PM THEY ARE NOT SIMILARLY SITUATED, THE ISSUES THAT ARE CITED.
06:50:21PM AND THEN FINALLY, I GOT AN E-MAIL -- A LETTER THIS MORNING
06:50:25PM SAYING THAT IF ALTURA CONTINUES IN THEIR POSITION,
06:50:29PM THAT ALTURA WILL BE DEMOLISHED PURSUANT TO THIS FAMOUS LAND
06:50:33PM USE PINECREST VERSUS SHIDEL, I WOULD SAY THAT -- CAN I JUST
06:50:38PM FINISH ONE THING.
06:50:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, MA'AM.
06:50:40PM >> STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS.
06:50:42PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
06:50:44PM I WOULD LIKE TO ENTER THIS INTO THE RECORD PLEASE.
06:50:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JEFF CADEMS.
06:50:50PM HE HAS A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM AS WELL.
06:50:58PM >> HUDSON.
06:51:34PM NANCY CISBEL.
06:51:38PM CHERYL SMITH.
06:51:39PM CJ SMITH.
06:51:41PM ALISON MURRAY.
06:51:42PM NANCY NELSON.
06:51:44PM MARY JOE.
06:51:48PM SEVEN PEOPLE.
06:51:51PM TEN MINUTES TOTAL, PLEASE.
06:51:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HELLO, SIR.
06:51:56PM STATE YOUR NAME.
06:51:57PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILS.
06:51:59PM JEFF CADEMS, AICP CERTIFIED PLANNER ACCREDITED FOR THE
06:52:05PM CONGRESS OF THE NEW URBANISM.
06:52:07PM I HAVE BEEN AT THIS FOR 32 YEARS IN THE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE
06:52:10PM SECTORS.
06:52:10PM WORKED WITH OVER 30 MUNICIPALITIES, PREPARING COMP PLANS,
06:52:14PM LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, REVIEWING DEVELOPMENT
06:52:17PM PROPOSALS, AND AN EQUAL AMOUNT OF WORK OF THE PRIVATE SECTOR
06:52:20PM FOR ENTITLEMENT DEVELOPMENT.
06:52:22PM ENOUGH ABOUT ME.
06:52:23PM AS THE ATTORNEY SAID PREVIOUSLY, RICHARD SAID, THEY STARTED
06:52:31PM OFF REALLY BIG, AND NOW THEY ARE JUST BIG.
06:52:33PM I AM NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS WHY THEY DID IT, BUT HE KNOW
06:52:39PM WHENEVER I WORK WITH PRIVATE SECTOR CLIENTS THE ADVICE IS
06:52:47PM OVER PRODUCTIONS ARE REASONABLE AND WHAT A GREAT DEAL AND
06:52:55PM THEY JUST COMPROMISE.
06:52:57PM I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS WHY THEY DID IT, BUT VERY EFFECTIVE
06:53:03PM DESPITE THE REDUCTIONS IN THE HIGHLIGHT AND THE REDUCTION OF
06:53:06PM FOUR CONDO UNITS, THE PROJECT IS STILL NOT CONSISTENT WITH
06:53:08PM YOUR PLAN OR YOUR CODE.
06:53:09PM THE PROJECT HAS A PHYSICAL SCALE THAT IS AT THE OF THE RANGE
06:53:14PM OF THE R-83 FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY.
06:53:17PM THE PROBLEM IS IT IS ONLY A R-35 LAND USE DESIGNATION.
06:53:21PM R-35 IS TWO CATEGORIES LOWER THAN THE INTENSITY TOTEM POLE
06:53:28PM THAN THE R-83.
06:53:32PM DO YOU HAVE THE SLIDES?
06:53:33PM OKAY.
06:53:33PM SORRY.
06:53:34PM I HAD AN IMAGE THAT WAS -- -- THAT WAS ILLUSTRATING THESE
06:53:40PM THINGS.
06:53:40PM AND THE BUILDING MASS FACING NORTH AND SOUTH AFFECTING THE
06:53:48PM GARDEN CLUB AND THE TOWN HOUSES.
06:53:49PM CODE SECTION 27-227-D WHICH GOVERNS THE DIMENSIONAL
06:53:56PM STANDARDS IN PDs.
06:53:57PM PLANNED DEVELOPMENT STATES FLEXIBILITY IN BUILDING HEIGHT
06:54:00PM WILL BE ALLOWED PROVIDED THAT THEY ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE
06:54:03PM SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
06:54:05PM AND PROVIDED THAT THE SETBACKS ARE INCREASED TO COMPENSATE
06:54:09PM FOR THE ADDED BUILDING HEIGHT.
06:54:10PM THIS PROJECT CANNOT PROVIDE THE INCREASED SETBACKS VERSUS
06:54:17PM THE STANDARD ZONING DISTRICT ALLOW A BUILDING OF THIS HEIGHT
06:54:20PM AND THEREFORE SHOULD NOT IMPOSE THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT.
06:54:22PM TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA THAT WILL BE IN THE RM-50 DISTRICT, THAT
06:54:28PM WILL BE 100 FOOT SETBACK APPROXIMATELY FROM THE GARDEN CLUB
06:54:32PM WHERE 20 IS PROPOSED AND A SIMILAR SETBACK ON YSABELLA.
06:54:37PM THE APPLICATION USE AS FLEXIBILITY OF A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT
06:54:41PM TO WAIVE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO GET MORE DEVELOPMENT ON
06:54:44PM THE PROPERTY THAN IT OTHERWISE WOULD.
06:54:47PM THIS IS STRICTLY A OUTRIGHT PROHIBITED BY LAND USE POLICY
06:54:52PM 8-15-3 OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
06:54:54PM APPROPRIATE USE OF THE , IT, TO USE THE FLEXIBILITY TO HAVE
06:54:59PM RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO THE APPROPRIATE SCALE OF THE
06:55:02PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
06:55:02PM ALL PD REZONINGS HAVE TO BE FOUND CONSISTENT WITH THE
06:55:05PM OVERALL PURPOSE AND INTENT OF A SITE PLAN-CONTROLLED
06:55:09PM DISTRICT.
06:55:09PM THIS IS NOT.
06:55:10PM I FIND THAT THE APPLICATION IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE
06:55:13PM FOLLOWING PURPOSE STATEMENTS LISTED IN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE
06:55:18PM 27-136, WHICH GOVERNS REZONINGS TO SITE PLAN-CONTROLLED
06:55:24PM DISTRICTS.
06:55:24PM NUMBER ONE, PROMOTE THE SUSTAINABLE USE OF INFRASTRUCTURE
06:55:27PM WITH CAREFUL CONSIDERATION OF POTENTIAL ADVERSE IMPACTS TO
06:55:32PM AMONG OTHER THINGS SURROUNDING IMPACTED NEIGHBORHOODS AND
06:55:35PM CULTURAL RESOURCES.
06:55:37PM APPLICATION DOES NOT CAREFULLY CONSIDER THE POTENTIAL
06:55:40PM ADVERSE IMPACTS TO THE POTENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
06:55:42PM NUMBER TWO, ALLOW FOR DIFFERENT LAND USES AND DENSITIES IN
06:55:47PM ONE DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD NOT OTHERWISE BE POSSIBLE IN
06:55:52PM ANOTHER DISTRICT WHICH ENCOURAGES COMPATIBILITY IN OVERALL
06:55:57PM SITE DESIGN AND SCALE INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL TO THE PROJECT
06:56:02PM SITE.
06:56:02PM AGAIN THE TEMPLE -- THE DOES NOT INTEGRATE THAT IS
06:56:09PM COMPATIBLE TO THE EXTERNAL PROJECT SITE TO THE DESIGN AND
06:56:13PM SCALE.
06:56:13PM AND NUMBER SIX, PROMOTE AN ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT WHERE
06:56:17PM APPROPRIATE IN LOCATION, CHARACTER AND COMPATIBILITY WITH
06:56:20PM THE SURROUNDING IMPACTED NEIGHBORHOODS, BUILT ENVIRONMENT
06:56:23PM AND EXISTING GEOGRAPHY.
06:56:25PM THE LOCATION IS NOT APPROPRIATE IN CHARACTER AND
06:56:27PM COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING IMPACTED NEIGHBORHOOD OR
06:56:30PM BUILT ENVIRONMENT, AND IT IS LOCATED IN THE COASTAL HIGH
06:56:34PM HAZARD AREA WHICH IS -- WHICH IS NOT COMPATIBLE OR -- OR
06:56:39PM APPROPRIATE FOR THAT LOCATION.
06:56:42PM THE PETITIONER RELIES ON THE R-35 FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY.
06:56:49PM NOT PROVIDING AN ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM HEIGHT THAT THE PD MUST
06:56:53PM ABIDE BY.
06:56:54PM YOUR PLAN IS WRITTEN TO ACCOMMODATE THE VARIED CONDITIONS
06:56:57PM AMONG DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, BE THERE REQUIRING ANALYSIS
06:57:02PM WHETHER A REZONING PROPOSES A BUILDING SCALE FOR APPLICABLE
06:57:07PM LAND USE DISTRICT AS THE TYPICAL MAXIMUM OF EIGHT STORIES
06:57:10PM CAN BE APPROPRIATE IN SOME CONTEXT, LESS THAN TYPICAL
06:57:15PM MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS APPROPRIATE IN OTHER CONTEXTS AND THIS IS
06:57:19PM ONE OF THOSE CONTEXTS.
06:57:21PM GIVEN THE SUBJECT SITE'S LOCATION IN THE MIDST OF UNIQUE
06:57:25PM CLUSTER OF QUASI USES.
06:57:29PM THAT YOU TWICE RECOGNIZED ITS VALUE TO THE CITY AND LOCATED
06:57:33PM WITHIN A LOW-SCALE FUTURE LAND USE DISTRICT 45% OF THE
06:57:37PM MAXIMUM R-35.
06:57:39PM INCLUDING RECENT TOWN HOUSE CONSTRUCTION ON TWO SIDES.
06:57:43PM LOCATIONAL CONTEXT AND THE COMPATIBILITY REQUIREMENTS IN
06:57:46PM YOUR PLAN SUGGEST THAT THE TYPICAL HEIGHT CONDITION IN R-35
06:57:52PM IS NOT APPROPRIATE HERE.
06:57:53PM AND A LESSER MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS APPROPRIATE NOT DOUBLE THE
06:57:58PM TYPICAL MAXIMUM.
06:57:59PM FINALLY, MOTION TO THAT THERE ARE OTHER TOWERS WITHIN THE
06:58:01PM AREA AND, THEREFORE, ANOTHER ONE IN THIS LOCATION MUST BE
06:58:05PM COMPATIBLE IS BACKWARDS.
06:58:06PM AN APPROPRIATE COMPATIBILITY DETERMINATION IS NOT BASED ON
06:58:11PM THE HIGHER EN INTENSITY USES IN THE AREA BUT BASED ON THE
06:58:15PM POTENTIAL ADVERSE IMPACTS ON THE USES THAT PREDOMINANT THE
06:58:19PM AREA.
06:58:19PM IT SHOULD HAVE CONSIDERED APPROPRIATE SCALING AND SITE
06:58:22PM DESIGN RELATIVE TO THE ADJACENCY AND OPEN SPACES AND
06:58:27PM RESIDENTIAL USES JUST RECENTLY DEVELOPED AT THE LOW-END OF
06:58:30PM THE R-35 INTENSITY SCALE.
06:58:32PM IN FACT THE PD PROVISIONS IN THE PLAN REQUIRE THAT THE
06:58:36PM COMPATIBILITY ANALYSIS BE FROM THE BOTTOM UP AND NOT THE TOP
06:58:39PM DOWN.
06:58:40PM THEY REAR USING THE CRITERIA OF THE STANDARD ZONING
06:58:44PM DISTRICTS THAT IMPLEMENT R-35 LAND USE TO GUIDE THE DESIGN
06:58:48PM OF THE PD PLAN.
06:58:49PM THE CODE ESTABLISHES THE RM-24 DISTRICT AS THE MOST
06:58:55PM PERMISSIVE DISTRICT THAT IS ALLOWED TO IMPLEMENT R-35 AND
06:59:01PM SPECIFIES BUSINESS DISTRICTS CAN IMPLEMENT R-35.
06:59:04PM 24 UNITS TO THE ACRE AND 60 NIGHT IN HEIGHT, MAYBE FIVE OR
06:59:10PM SIX STORIES.
06:59:12PM PD SHOULD BEAR SOME RESEMBLANCE OF THAT.
06:59:15PM FLEXIBILITY OF DEVELOPED NATIONS FROM A PROPER COMPATIBILITY
06:59:19PM ANALYSIS.
06:59:20PM INSTEAD THE PROJECT BEGAN AT 29 FLOORS AND INCREMENTALLY
06:59:24PM WHITTLED DOWN TO WHAT IT IS TODAY TOO TALL AND TOO MASSIVE
06:59:28PM FOR THIS LOCATION.
06:59:30PM FINDING THAT A TOWER IS COMPATIBLE BECAUSE OTHER ARE IN THE
06:59:33PM AREA IS TANTAMOUNT TO PLANNING -- I WILL USE THAT LOOSELY,
06:59:40PM FROM 35 FEET.
06:59:40PM AND BLOCK BY BLOCK DETAILS MAKING THE CITY REMARKABLE AND
06:59:44PM LIVABLE.
06:59:44PM PLANNING AT 35,000 FEET GIVE AWAY THE CHARACTER OF THE SMALL
06:59:49PM AREAS THAT MAKE UP THE URBAN AREAS OF THE CITY AND
06:59:53PM DIFFERENTIATE FROM OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY.
06:59:56PM I DISAGREE WITH THE CHARACTERIZATION THAT THIS IS A
06:59:59PM HIGH-RISE DISTRICT.
07:00:00PM ON THE CONTRARY, IT IS A SMALL, COHESIVE, RESIDENTIAL AND
07:00:05PM INSTITUTIONAL DISTRICT THAT HAS ITS OWN CHARACTER AND OWN
07:00:07PM VALUE TO THE CITY.
07:00:08PM IT IS ADJACENT TO HIGH-RISES.
07:00:10PM BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT A HIGH-RISE DISTRICT.
07:00:13PM MOREOVER, THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THIS SITE AND THE REST OF
07:00:20PM THE R-35 DISTRICT IS NOT THE SAME AS THE ONES THAT HAVE THE
07:00:24PM HIGH-RISES ALL WE ASK YOU FOLLOW YOUR OWN PLAN AND YOUR OWN
07:00:29PM CODE AND COULD SO WILL FIND THIS APPLICATION INCONSISTENT.
07:00:32PM THANK YOU.
07:00:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, SIR.
07:00:34PM DANA JASPER IS OUR NEXT SPEAKER WHO HAS A SPEAKER WAIVER
07:00:39PM FORM.
07:00:39PM IF YOU WILL COME UP.
07:00:41PM >> I APOLOGIZE FOR THE INTERRUPTION.
07:00:44PM I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE WITNESS A FEW QUESTIONS, IF POSSIBLE
07:00:48PM SOMEBODY IN.
07:00:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: APPROPRIATE TO CROSS-EXAMINE AT THIS
07:00:51PM TIME?
07:00:53PM APPROPRIATE TO CROSS-EXAMINE?
07:00:54PM IT IS?
07:00:55PM AND IS THERE A TIME LIMIT ON IT?
07:01:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT HAVEN'T COME UP.
07:01:03PM I THINK WE SHOULD JUST PROCEED.
07:01:05PM HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED.
07:01:06PM >> I WILL BE BRIEF.
07:01:07PM I ONLY HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.
07:01:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FOR MR. CADEMS.
07:01:13PM >> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY FOR THE RECORD WE OBJECT FOR
07:01:18PM CROSS-EXAMINATION, AND WE SAID IT WAS A LEGISLATIVE AND NOT
07:01:21PM QUASI JUDICIAL.
07:01:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S JUST STAY ON TRACK WITH PUBLIC
07:01:26PM COMMENT.
07:01:27PM AND THEN LEAVE IT AS PART OF YOUR REBUTTAL.
07:01:30PM >> I HAVE TO OBJECT, BECAUSE WE HAVE AN EXPERT WHO HAS
07:01:36PM TESTIFIED AND I AM NOT ALLOWED TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS.
07:01:38PM I WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.
07:01:39PM WE CAN SIT DOWN SO WE CAN MOVE ON.
07:01:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN?
07:01:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT OBJECTING TO ANYTHING, BUT TO MY
07:01:48PM KNOWLEDGE, THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW TIMES I HEARD THIS IN MY
07:01:51PM LIFE AT CITY HALL.
07:01:52PM WE ARE LEGISLATORS.
07:01:55PM YOU ARE -- YOUR POSITION WAS STATED AND NO ONE
07:02:00PM CROSS-EXAMINED YOU, AM I RIGHT OR WRONG?
07:02:04PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN.
07:02:05PM RATHER THAN RESPOND --
07:02:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM NOT HERE TAKING CHOICES OF EITHER
07:02:11PM SIDE.
07:02:11PM I WANT IT EVEN FOR BOTH SIDES.
07:02:12PM YOUR SIDE AND THE OTHER SIDE.
07:02:15PM >> AIM HAPPY TO PROCEED.
07:02:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SORRY.
07:02:18PM >> I MADE MY OBJECTION, I'M HAPPY TO SIT DOWN FOR RECORD AS
07:02:23PM I HAVE BEEN ASKED.
07:02:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CONTINUE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
07:02:26PM DANA JASPER HAS A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
07:02:30PM GIVE THAT TO THE ATTORNEY AND HE WILL READ OFF THE NAMES
07:02:34PM THAT YOU HAVE.
07:02:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I SEE TWO NAMES -- I SEE NAMES CROSSED OUT
07:03:18PM AND HIGHLIGHTED.
07:03:19PM CINDY HICKEY.
07:03:20PM THANK YOU.
07:03:21PM DIANA SULLIVAN.
07:03:23PM GAY JONES.
07:03:26PM MARIANNE RODRIGUEZ.
07:03:29PM CINDY GODING.
07:03:32PM SANDY STRITE.
07:03:34PM AND YVONNE POLO.
07:03:37PM THANK YOU.
07:03:38PM SEVEN NAMES, TEN MINUTES, PLEASE.
07:03:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
07:03:42PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
07:03:43PM DANA JASPER, I AM THE OF THE BAYSHORE TOWNHOUSE
07:03:47PM ASSOCIATION.
07:03:48PM I LIVE 300 FEET FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
07:03:51PM I SPOKE IN OPPOSITION OF THE PREVIOUS REZONINGS.
07:03:53PM I'M HERE AGAIN TO REITERATE MY STATS, THIS TIME SUPPORTED BY
07:03:57PM RESEARCH DATA OF THE FUTURE LAND USE R-35 PARCELS IN THE
07:04:02PM SOUTH TAMPA DISTRICT.
07:04:04PM SO A LITTLE PERPLEXING HOW AN AGREEMENT WAS MADE BY CITY
07:04:07PM STAFF TO ALLOW A 16-STORY HIGH-RISE ON R-35 LAND USE PARCELS
07:04:16PM BUT A THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATES THAT R-35, THE BUILDING
07:04:20PM HEIGHTS ARE TYPICALLY UP TO EIGHT STORIES.
07:04:22PM I WANT TO MAKE SPECIAL NOTATION THAT THE NUMBER OF STORY DO
07:04:25PM VARY BY LOCATIONS.
07:04:27PM SO I WANT TO IDENTIFY THIS LOCATION.
07:04:29PM WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, TO RECOGNIZE THE CITY IS
07:04:36PM COMPRISED OF FIVE UNIQUE DISTRICTS AND NOTABLY SOUTH TAMPA
07:04:40PM IS ONE OF THOSE DISTRICTS.
07:04:42PM SOUTH TAMPA IS A DEFINABLE LOCATION THAT YOU SEE FROM THE
07:04:46PM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE BOUNDARIES SHOWN ON THE FUTURE
07:04:48PM LAND USE MAP OF THE SOUTH TAMPA DISTRICT.
07:04:50PM AS SUCH, I RESEARCHED EVERY PARCEL OF FUTURE LAND USE R-35
07:04:58PM IN THE SOUTH TAMPA DISTRICT SEEKING TO UNDERSTAND THE
07:05:00PM CONTEXT OF WHICH CITY STAFF AGREED TO A 16-STORY HIGH-RISE.
07:05:04PM I COLLECTED BUILDING DATA.
07:05:06PM NUMBER OF STORY ARE YEAR BUILT, TYPE OF BUILDING AND
07:05:09PM ADDRESS.
07:05:09PM I HAVE GIVEN EACH OF YOU A COPY OF MY DATA SPREADSHEET WITH
07:05:14PM MY PRESENTATION.
07:05:14PM AND I UTILIZED THE DATA SOURCES OF THE FUTURE LAND USE
07:05:18PM MA'AM, SOUTH TAMPA DISTRICT, THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
07:05:20PM PROPERTY APPRAISER WEB SITE AND THE CITY OF TAMPA CITIZEN
07:05:23PM ACCESS PORTAL.
07:05:24PM I AM GOING TO BE GIVING YOU A DATA SUMMARY IN ADDITION TO
07:05:31PM KEY FINDS AND DATA ANALYSIS.
07:05:33PM BEFORE I REVEAL THE DATA SUMMARY HERE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE
07:05:36PM IS THE NUMBER OF STORIES.
07:05:37PM ZERO REPRESENTS ANY VACANT LOTS OR PARKING LOTS.
07:05:41PM I HAVE 1-8 AS THAT CORRESPOND THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
07:05:46PM AND ANY BUILDING THAT ARE NINE OR MORE STORIES.
07:05:49PM THE COLUMN IN THE CENTER WILL GIVE YOU THE TOTAL OF THE
07:05:52PM BUILDINGS IN THERE.
07:05:53PM IN TOTAL, OUR RESEARCH 656 FUTURE LAND USE R-35 PARCELS IN
07:05:59PM THE SOUTH TAMPA DISTRICT.
07:06:00PM THE KEY FINDING NUMBER ONE IS THERE ARE ZERO BUILDINGS THAT
07:06:09PM EXCEED ANYWHERE IN R-35 SOUTH TAMPA DISTRICT.
07:06:16PM THERE IS NOT ONE.
07:06:16PM BETWEEN TV AND EIGHT STORIES REPRESENT LESS THAN 1% OF THE
07:06:20PM BUILDINGS.
07:06:20PM ONE TO FOUR STORIES REPRESENT OF R-35 IN THE SOUTH TAMPA
07:06:32PM DISTRICT.
07:06:32PM I WOULD LIKE TO TALK SPECIFICALLY OF THE ONE EIGHT-STORY
07:06:36PM BUILDING THAT DOES EXIST.
07:06:37PM THIS IS THE COMMODORE COVE CONDOS.
07:06:40PM IT IS ON THE PARCEL OF FUTURE LAND USE R-35 IN THE SOUTH
07:06:46PM TAMPA DISTRICT.
07:06:47PM IT WAS BUILT IN 1976 AND STAND AT A HEIGHT OF 72 FEET.
07:06:51PM THE APPLICANT PROPOSES NOT ONE, BUT TWO BUILDINGS THAT
07:06:54PM EXCEED THAT EIGHT-STORY HEIGHT.
07:06:57PM THEY ARE PROPOSING A 16-STORY HIGH-RISE AT 195 FEET AS WELL
07:07:01PM AS A PARKING STRUCTURE AT 77 FEET.
07:07:04PM FUTURE LAND USE R-35 PARCELS AND SOUTH TAMPA LOCATIONS ARE
07:07:13PM CHARACTERIZED BY LOW RISE BUILDINGS.
07:07:14PM AGAIN 98.1 BUILDINGS ARE ONE TO FOUR STORIES.
07:07:18PM HERE IS A SAMPLING OF THE -- OF THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE FOUND
07:07:22PM ON FUTURE LAND USE R-35 IN THE SOUTH TAMPA DISTRICT
07:07:25PM YOU WILL SEE THE ONE EIGHT-STORY BUILDING BUT FIVE-STORY
07:07:29PM APARTMENTS, FOUR-STORY TOWN HOUSES AN CONDOS, THREE-STORY
07:07:35PM OFFICE, CONDOS.
07:07:38PM TWO-STORY LIVING FACILITIES.
07:07:40PM AND TWO-STORY HOUSING APARTMENTS.
07:07:43PM ONE-STORY POST OFFICE, AMERICAN LEGION 138 AND MANUFACTURED
07:07:49PM HOMES.
07:07:49PM NO BUILDINGS ON R-35 SOUTH TAMPA HAVE COME CLOSE IN HEIGHT
07:07:54PM TO THE PROPOSED 16-STORY, 195-FOOT HIGH-RISE.
07:07:59PM WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE HISTORICAL OVERVIEW, OLDEST BUILDING
07:08:04PM IN 1922.
07:08:05PM A TWO-STORY SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENT IN SOUTH HOWARD.
07:08:09PM NEWEST BUILDING IS A THREE-STORY TOWN HOUSE ON WEST TEXAS.
07:08:13PM SO OVER A CENTURY, 103 YEARS, NO BUILDING OVER EIGHT STORIES
07:08:18PM BUILT ON FUTURE LAND USE R-35 IN THE ENTIRE SOUTH
07:08:22PM TAMPA DISTRICT.
07:08:23PM WHEN WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE NINE-YEAR DEVELOPMENT HISTORY
07:08:28PM WINS THE CURRENT ADOPTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN 2016,
07:08:30PM THE DATA SHOWS BETWEEN 2016 AND 2025, 39 BUILDINGS WERE
07:08:34PM CONSTRUCTED ON FUTURE LAND USE R-35 PARCELS IN THE SOUTH
07:08:40PM TAMPA DISTRICT.
07:08:41PM OF THOSE, HIGHEST MAXED OUT SIX STORIES PORTLAND WESTSHORE
07:08:45PM APARTMENTS COMPLETED IN 2022.
07:08:47PM SO, COUNCIL, ALL BUILDINGS ON R-35 PARCELS AN SOUTH TAMPA
07:08:52PM DISTRICT LOCATION ACE LINE WITH TO THE UP TO EIGHT STORIES
07:08:55PM RULE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
07:08:56PM WITH THAT DATA-DRIVEN JUSTIFICATION, HOW DID THEY SHOW THAT
07:09:06PM A HIGH-RISE IS COMPATIBLE.
07:09:08PM THAT DECISION OFTEN BASED ON BAD DATA, OR IN THIS CASE, NO
07:09:13PM DATA AT ALL.
07:09:13PM WHY IS THIS PROPERTY ONE EXCEPTION IN OVER A CENTURY?
07:09:17PM WHY IS THIS DEVELOPER THE ONE EXCEPTION IN OVER A CENTURY?
07:09:24PM COUNCIL, DATA SUPPORTS THE BUILDINGS IN THE SOUTH TAMPA
07:09:27PM DISTRICT LOCATION ADHERE TO THE EIGHT-STORY LIMIT AS WITH
07:09:32PM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND I ASK THAT YOU DENY THE ZONINGS
07:09:35PM AND UPHOLD THE CHARACTER OF NO LARGER THAN EIGHT-STORY
07:09:41PM BUILDINGS IN THE SOUTH TAMPA DISTRICT.
07:09:43PM I WOULD LIKE TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO ANOTHER IMPORTANT
07:09:45PM TOPIC OF DISCUSSION.
07:09:46PM AND THIS IS IN REGARDS TO THE MIDBLOCK CROSSWALK THAT IS
07:09:50PM PROPOSED.
07:09:51PM THE MID-BLOCK CROSSWALK REQUIRES AN ENGINEERING STUDY WHICH
07:09:55PM THE APPLICANT HAS NOT DONE.
07:09:56PM THIS PROPOSED MIDBLOCK CROSSWALK IS LESS THAN 300 FEET FROM
07:10:01PM THE INTERSECTION OF BARCELONA AND YSABELLA.
07:10:05PM SHOWING YOU THIS CROSSWALK WHICH WAS SUBMITTED ON THE SITE
07:10:09PM PLAN IN ACELA, 9/17/24.
07:10:15PM AND THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED SOME OTHER PLAN THAT NO ONE HAS
07:10:18PM BEEN AWARE OF OR THAT STAFF HAS REVIEWED.
07:10:20PM THE CITY OF TAMPA TRANSPORTATION TECHNICAL MANUAL STATES
07:10:24PM THAT ALL SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WILL BE GOVERNED BY THE
07:10:30PM MANUEL.
07:10:30PM THE FOLLOWING DOCUMENTS MANUAL ON TRAFFIC CONTROL AND THE
07:10:35PM FLORIDA D.O.T. AND DESIGN STANDARDS OF LATEST EDITIONS.
07:10:39PM THESE DOCUMENTS WILL BE CONSIDERED THE MINIMUM STANDARDS OF
07:10:42PM THE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
07:10:44PM IN THE UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES, QUOTE, AT
07:10:48PM UNCONTROLLED APPROACHES AN ENGINEERING STUDY SHOULD BE
07:10:51PM PERFORMED BEFORE A MARKED CROSSWALK IS INSTALLED.
07:10:53PM FDOT DESIGN MANUAL, AN ENGINEERING STUDY FOR NEW BID
07:11:00PM CROSSWALKS TO FOLLOW THE PROCEDURES AND GUIDELINES IN TEM
07:11:04PM 5.2.
07:11:04PM MID-BLOCK CROSSWALKS SHOULD NOT BE WHERE THE FOLLOWING
07:11:11PM EXISTS.
07:11:11PM NEAREST INTERSECTION IS LESS THAN 300 FEET.
07:11:15PM AND THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING MANUAL, 5.2.5.1 FOR THE MARKED
07:11:21PM CROSSWALK, QUOTE VALIDATE THE NEED FOR MIDBLOCK CROSSWALKS
07:11:27PM AND WITH AN ENGINEERING STUDY.
07:11:29PM CONTINUING MINIMUM LOCATION CHARACTERISTICS.
07:11:31PM VEHICULAR VOLUME OF 2,000 ADE OF GREATER OF THE ROADWAY
07:11:37PM SEGMENT.
07:11:38PM COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE HERE, THIS -- THE APPLICANT
07:11:40PM HAS NOT CONDUCTED A TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS OF VEHICULAR
07:11:44PM VOLUME ALONG THE ROADWAY SEGMENT.
07:11:47PM THE APPLICANT HAS A TRIP GENERATION COMPARISON OF THE
07:11:49PM PROPOSED CONDOS IN THE EXISTING PRESCHOOL.
07:11:52PM 6.2.6.
07:11:59PM CONDUCT AN ENGINEERING STUDY BEFORE INSTALLING A MARKED
07:12:02PM CROSSWALK AT A MIDBLOCK LOCATION FOR UNSIGNALIZED
07:12:06PM INTERSECTION.
07:12:07PM SO COUNCIL, THE APPLICANT HAS NOT CONDUCTED THE REQUIRED
07:12:10PM ENGINEERING STUDY FOR INSTALLATION MID-BLOCK CROSSWALK ON
07:12:14PM SOUTH YSABELLA AVENUE.
07:12:15PM FOR THIS ADDITIONAL REASON, I ASK THAT YOU DENY THE REZONING
07:12:20PM 24-06.
07:12:22PM THANK YOU.
07:12:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
07:12:24PM OUR NEXT SPEAKER TIM EVERETT FOLLOWED BY MARCY BAKER.
07:12:30PM MR. EVERETT, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
07:12:41PM YES.
07:12:46PM >> HI, MY NAME IS TIM EVERETT, 2719 SOUTH YSABELLA AVENUE
07:12:56PM WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS --
07:13:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU WANT TO PUT THAT IN THE RECORD?
07:13:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU HAVE A COPY.
07:13:07PM THIS ONE LOOKS LIKE A -- LIKE A VERY SIMILAR COPY.
07:13:10PM THANK YOU.
07:13:17PM THREE MINUTES FOR THIS SPEAKER.
07:13:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS A THREE-MINUTE SPEAKER.
07:13:25PM SIR, STATE YOUR NAME.
07:13:28PM START FROM THE BEGINNING.
07:13:29PM >> TIM EVERETT, 2719 SOUTH YSABELLA WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS
07:13:34PM THE STREET FROM THE PROPOSED TOWER.
07:13:35PM VICE PRESIDENT OF MICHAEL TOWN HOMES PROPERTY OWNERS
07:13:38PM ASSOCIATION.
07:13:39PM OUR HOMEOWNERS ARE IN OPPOSITION TO THEPROPOSED PROJECT
07:13:43PM FOR ALL THE REASONS ALREADY STATED BY THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS.
07:13:45PM IN ADDITION, I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
07:13:48PM AREA WHICH THIS PROJECT FALLS INTO.
07:13:50PM AS I AM SURE THE COUNCIL KNOWS, THIS IS AN AREA PARTICULARLY
07:13:54PM VULNERABLE TO COASTAL FLOODING FROM TROPICAL STORM EVENTS
07:13:58PM AND DEFINED IN 163.3178 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES OF AN AREA
07:14:04PM BELOW THE ELEVATION OF A CATEGORY ONE STORM SURGE LINE.
07:14:08PM BUILDING IN -- BUILDING CAN BE RESTRICTED FOR SEVERAL
07:14:13PM REASONS, RELATED TO SAFETY, ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS AND
07:14:17PM LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY.
07:14:17PM AND HERE IS WHY.
07:14:18PM NUMBER ONE, FLOODING AND STORM SURGE RISKS.
07:14:21PM 37 CHHAs ARE AREAS PRONE TO IS HE SEVERE FLOODING AND
07:14:28PM HURRICANES AND OTHER EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS.
07:14:30PM THESE HOMES ARE TYPICALLY IN THE PATH OF THE MOST
07:14:33PM DESTRUCTIVE FORCES PROPOSING SIGNIFICANT RISK TO LIFE AND
07:14:37PM PROPERTY.
07:14:37PM NUMBER TWO, HIGH INSURANCE RISKS.
07:14:39PM PROPERTIES IN CHHAs FACE HIGHER RISK LEADING TO INCREASED
07:14:44PM INSURANCE PREMIUMS AND FLOOD AND WIND DAMAGE.
07:14:47PM SOME INSURERS MAY REFUSE TO COVER THESE PROPERTIES OF THE
07:14:51PM HIGH POTENTIAL OF REPEATED CLAIMS.
07:14:52PM NUMBER THREE, REGULATORY RESTRICTIONS.
07:14:55PM THE GUIDANCE IN THE STATUTE STATE THAT DIRECT FUTURE
07:14:58PM POPULATION CONCENTRATIONS AWAY FROM THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
07:15:03PM AREAS TO ACHIEVE A NET ZERO INCREASE IN OVERALL RESIDENTIAL
07:15:07PM DENSITY WITHIN THESE AREAS.
07:15:08PM THE NATIONAL FLOOD PROGRAM GUIDELINES DISCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT
07:15:13PM IN THESE FLOOD PRONE AREAS.
07:15:15PM WITH RISING SEA LEVELS AND INCREASING STORM
07:15:20PM INTENSITIES, CHHAs FACE GROWING RISK.
07:15:22PM BUILDING IN THESE AREAS CAN LEAD TO SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES
07:15:25PM IN THE FUTURE INCLUDING LOSS OF -- OF UNUSABLE LAND.
07:15:29PM IT ALSO POSES ADDED EVACUATION PROBLEMS WHEN EVACUATION
07:15:33PM ORDERS ARE GIVEN.
07:15:36PM AS YOU KNOW WITH BOTH OF THE MOST RECENT HURRICANES, TRAFFIC
07:15:39PM WAS BACKED UP ON THE CROSSTOWN AND I-75 BEN THE EVACUATION
07:15:45PM ORDERS WERE GIVEN.
07:15:46PM BRING UP MY FIRST SLIDE.
07:15:47PM THIS SHOWS AN AREA FROM WHERE THE STORM SURGE RAN UP ALL THE
07:15:54PM WAY UP TO YSABELLA.
07:15:55PM THAT COVERED ALMOST THE TEEN -- ALMOST THE ENTIRE PARKING
07:15:59PM LOT OF THE SYNAGOGUE WHEN THE STORM SURGE HIT.
07:16:04PM AS YOU CAN SEE, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DANIEL TO THE
07:16:07PM CONDOMINIUMS ALONG -- ALONG BARCELONA THERE.
07:16:10PM YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE WATER LINE WAS UP TO.
07:16:12PM OBVIOUSLY THIS IS WHERE ALL THE DEBRIS CAME UP TO.
07:16:18PM THIS IS A GENTLEMAN WHO IS STANDING ON THE CORNER OF BAY TO
07:16:23PM BAY AND BARCELONA.
07:16:24PM YOU CAN SEE THE WATER LEVEL WAS UP SIGNIFICANTLY AND THAT
07:16:27PM WAS ABOUT FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE STORM SURGE -- BEFORE THE
07:16:30PM MAXIMUM STORM SURGE.
07:16:31PM THIS IS THE AREA RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE SYNAGOGUE AREA.
07:16:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
07:16:36PM OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MARCY BAKER.
07:16:39PM MARCY BAKER HAS SPEAKER WAIVER FORM WITH ONE NAME.
07:16:43PM IF YOU HAVE A PAPER -- A PIECE OF PAPER WITH YOUR NUMBER,
07:16:46PM DROP IT IN THE BASKET I THINK -- IT IS UP THERE.
07:16:49PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
07:16:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ANYBODY WHO HAS A NUMBER WHO HAVEN'T
07:16:57PM DROPPED IT IN THE BASKET, MAKE SURE WHEN YOU LEAVE, TO PUT
07:17:00PM IT IN THE BASKET PLEASE.
07:17:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MARCY BAKER.
07:17:03PM YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
07:17:05PM >> ARIANA ALFIE.
07:17:08PM ONE ADDITIONAL MINUTE.
07:17:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: STATE YOUR NAME.
07:17:11PM >> MARCY SOLOMON BAKER.
07:17:12PM 610 QUEST SWANN AVENUE RIGHT ON THE BAYSHORE.
07:17:16PM MY THIRD TIME TALKING TO YOU ALSO.
07:17:18PM I ALREADY TOLD YOU I AM A PASTOR OF CONGREGATION RODEPH
07:17:23PM SHALOM.
07:17:23PM I AM A LIFE-LONG TAMPA RESIDENT.
07:17:25PM AND I CURRENTLY LIVE ON BAYSHORE.
07:17:29PM AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I ACTUALLY DO LIVE, WORK, PRAY AND
07:17:33PM PLAY IN SOUTH TAMPA AND HAVE MY ENTIRE LIFE.
07:17:35PM I ALREADY TOLD YOU THAT MY DAUGHTER WAS BAR MITZVAHED AT
07:17:40PM RODEPH SHALOM.
07:17:40PM I WAS BAR MITZVAHED AT RODEPH SHALOM.
07:17:43PM MY DAUGHTER BABY NAMED THERE AND IF YOU APPROVE THIS, FOR
07:17:50PM RODEPH SHALOM WILL BE THERE FOR MY DAUGHTER TO BE MARRIED
07:17:52PM THERE AND HER BABY NAMING THERE.
07:17:53PM WHAT NEW CAN I TELL YOU.
07:17:55PM WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS.
07:17:56PM I JUST STARTED THINKING OF WHAT MY DAY JOB IS.
07:17:59PM I AM A PEDIATRICIAN.
07:18:00PM I AM A PEDIATRICIAN IN SOUTH TAMPA, IN HYDE PARK.
07:18:04PM I SERVED THIS COMMUNITY FOR 22 YEARS AS A LOCAL
07:18:06PM PEDIATRICIAN.
07:18:07PM AND SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN IN THE NEWS RECENTLY AND
07:18:10PM SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH A LOT IS THE
07:18:13PM ANTI-VACCINE MOVEMENT.
07:18:14PM I DEAL WITH IT ALL THE TIME.
07:18:15PM THEY ARE THE LOUDEST VOICES IN THE ROOM ALWAYS, OKAY.
07:18:18PM BUT THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION IS THAT MORE THAN 95% OF MY
07:18:25PM PATIENTS -- MORE THAN THAT -- COME IN EVERY DAY AND GET
07:18:28PM THEIR VACCINES.
07:18:29PM THEN THEY MOVE ON WITH THEIR LIVES.
07:18:31PM THEY GET THEIR VACCINES.
07:18:32PM THEY KNOW IT IS RECOMMENDED.
07:18:33PM THEY ARE NOT THE LOUDEST VOICES IN THE ROOM.
07:18:36PM THEY ARE NOT ON SOCIAL MEDIA TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW,
07:18:40PM GETTING THEIR VACCINES.
07:18:41PM I FEEL LIKE THAT IS AN ANALOGY WHAT IS GOING ON.
07:18:43PM YOU HAVE A LOT OF LOUD VOICES IN THE ROOM, BUT I THINK THE
07:18:46PM MAJORITY OF PEOPLE -- AND AGAIN, I LIVED HERE MY WHOLE LIFE
07:18:50PM AND I DEAL WITH THE PUBLIC EVERY DAY.
07:18:51PM I THINK THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN TAMPA ARE MORE SILENT
07:18:56PM MINORITY THAT THEY THINK THIS SCALED-DOWN PROJECT TO HELP
07:19:02PM KEEP A SYNAGOGUE ON BAYSHORE IS ACTUALLY A GOOD THING.
07:19:05PM AND THEY ARE FINE WITH IT.
07:19:07PM SO I JUST WANT -- I JUST THOUGHT OF THAT FOR MY CAREER.
07:19:11PM AND IT MADE ME THINK ABOUT THAT.
07:19:12PM AND THEN THE FINAL THING I WANTED TO TELL Y'ALL IS THAT,
07:19:16PM AGAIN, I TOLD YOU, I -- I GREW UP IN TAMPA.
07:19:19PM I LIVED HERE MY ENTIRE LIFE.
07:19:21PM I HAVE BEEN A PROUD JEW IN TAMPA MY ENTIRE LIFE.
07:19:28PM OCTOBER 7 WHEN ANTI-SEMITISM SKYROCKETED IN THE WORLD AND IN
07:19:36PM THE UNITED STATES, IN TAMPA, I HAVE FELT SAFE.
07:19:39PM PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHERE I LIVE KNOW I FLEW AN ISRAELI FLAG OFF
07:19:44PM MY BALCONY OFF OF OCTOBER 7, AND IT IS STILL THERE.
07:19:47PM I HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT.
07:19:49PM I HAD PEOPLE ASK, ARE YOU SCARED TO DO IS THAT?
07:19:51PM NO.
07:19:52PM I FOUND MY JEWISH STAR OUT OF MY JEWELRY BOX AND PUT IT ON
07:19:56PM AFTER OCTOBER 7.
07:19:57PM AND IN TAMPA, I ALWAYS FEEL SAFE.
07:19:59PM I WILL TELL YOU I WAS GOING ON A TRIP TO NEW YORK AND I WAS
07:20:02PM LIKE, SHOULD I WEAR THIS OR NOT.
07:20:03PM MADE ME THINK ABOUT IT.
07:20:05PM BUT NEVER HERE IN TAMPA.
07:20:06PM SO I JUST FEEL THAT TAMPA HAS BEEN SUCH A WELCOMING,
07:20:10PM WONDERFUL CITY TO ME PERSONALLY AND I FEEL LIKE TO THE
07:20:13PM JEWISH COMMUNITY THAT I THINK HAVING A SYNAGOGUE ON
07:20:21PM BAYSHORE, SEEING THAT MENORAH ON OUR MAIN PRAYER STREET IS
07:20:28PM IMPORTANT.
07:20:28PM I AM NOT SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO MOVE TOMORROW IF THIS DEAL
07:20:31PM DOESN'T GO THROUGH, BUT I TRULY BELIEVE WE WILL HAVE TO MOVE
07:20:35PM AT SOME POINT AND I THINK SOMETHING -- SOMETHING WILL BE
07:20:37PM BUILT ON THAT PROPERTY.
07:20:38PM I WANT IT TO STAY A SYNAGOGUE, BECAUSE THAT, I THINK, TAMPA
07:20:43PM DESERVES THAT.
07:20:45PM THANK YOU.
07:20:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
07:20:46PM OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ABRAHAM MARCADUS FOLLOWED BY JIM BAKER.
07:20:52PM AND YOU, SIR, HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM WITH THREE NAMES.
07:20:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE NAME KAREN SHILIT.
07:21:10PM MARIELE ATLAS.
07:21:13PM BOB LA PORTE.
07:21:15PM AND REVA BONHOE.
07:21:19PM OKAY, WHERE ARE YOU?
07:21:21PM THANK YOU.
07:21:21PM THAT IS IT IS FOUR NAMES FOR A TOTAL OF SEVEN MINUTES.
07:21:25PM >> THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL.
07:21:29PM MY NAME IS DR. MACADUS, 2619 BAYSHORE BOULEVARD LESS THAN A
07:21:37PM BLOCK FROM THE PROPERTY.
07:21:38PM LIFE-LONG MEMBER, PAST THE AND CURRENT BOARD MEMBER OF
07:21:42PM RODEPH SHALOM.
07:21:42PM I'M HERE AS A LOYAL CITIZEN, NEIGHBOR AND MEMBER OF THE
07:21:47PM CONGREGATION.
07:21:47PM THIS IS MY THIRD TIME ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING
07:21:51PM THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY.
07:21:53PM THE ISSUES ARE WELL-DOCUMENTED, 70-YEAR-OLD
07:21:58PM FOURTH-GENERATION TAMPA NATIVE.
07:22:00PM I'M HERE TO OFFER MY WISDOM AND INSIGHT TO URN MY CITY
07:22:03PM COUNCIL NOT TO BLOCK PROGRESS.
07:22:05PM TOME BRACE THE FUTURE.
07:22:06PM AND ALLOW THIS BUILDING TO BE BUILT.
07:22:08PM EACH TIME THIS MATTER HAS BEEN PRESENTED, MODIFICATIONS HAVE
07:22:13PM BEEN MADE.
07:22:14PM THIS CURRENT THIRD RENDITION IS A SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT
07:22:18PM BUILDING THAN THE ORIGINAL PLAN.
07:22:19PM AND APPROVED BY THE CITY STAFF.
07:22:21PM SETBACKS ARE IMPROVED.
07:22:23PM AND THE BUILDING IS MORE THAN 100 FEET SHORT ARE THAN THE
07:22:27PM ORIGINAL.
07:22:27PM THERE ARE NO VARIANCES.
07:22:30PM NO GREEN SPACE WILL BE AFFECTED.
07:22:32PM AND REMARKABLY, IN PLACE OF A PARKING LOT, MORE LANDSCAPING,
07:22:36PM GREEN SPACE, TREES AND SIDEWALKS WILL BE PROVIDED THAN THERE
07:22:41PM IS NOW.
07:22:41PM THIS PLAN WILL NOT DETRACT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
07:22:44PM IT WILL ENHANCE THE SURROUNDING AREA AND ALLOW MORE FAMILIES
07:22:48PM TO ENJOY OUR WONDERFUL NEIGHBORHOOD.
07:22:49PM THIS DEVELOPMENT IS VITAL TO MY SYNAGOGUE AND IMPORTANT TO
07:22:53PM THE ENTIRE JEWISH COMMUNITY.
07:22:56PM RODEPH SHALOM IS A VALUABLE ASSET TO OUR CITY.
07:22:58PM AND SERVES TAMPA RESIDENTS.
07:23:01PM FOR INSTANCE, A LOCAL CHURCH, DAMAGED BY THE STORM USES
07:23:06PM CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM SANCTUARY EVERY SUNDAY FOR CHURCH
07:23:10PM SERVICES.
07:23:10PM YOU ARE HEARING MANY VOICES TONIGHT AND MANY OPINIONS.
07:23:14PM BUT THE VOICES YOU ARE NOT HEARING ARE THOSE OF THE FUTURE
07:23:18PM 38 TAMPA FAMILIES WHO WILL BE ABLE TO ENJOY BAYSHORE
07:23:22PM BOULEVARD.
07:23:22PM AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING THE BUILDING TO BE BUILT.
07:23:24PM YOU ARE NOT HEARING THE FUTURE SMALL BUSINESSES ALONG
07:23:28PM MacDILL OR BAY TO BAY THAT ARE YET TO BE CREATED.
07:23:31PM OR FUTURE CONGREGATION MEMBERS WHO MANY YEARS FROM NOW WILL
07:23:36PM PRAISE THE CITY COUNCIL FOR ITS DECISION BECAUSE THEY WILL
07:23:38PM BE ABLE TO WORSHIP IN THE SYNAGOGUE THAT IS A TAMPA LANDMARK
07:23:42PM AND A MONUMENT TO THE DIVERSITY OF MY CITY.
07:23:45PM AND SIMILAR NEIGHBORHOODS ALL ALONG BAYSHORE.
07:23:49PM NUMEROUS HIGH-RISE CONDOS LARGER THAN THE ONE PROPOSED.
07:23:53PM WHY IS THIS PROJECT BEING TREATED DIFFERENTLY?
07:23:56PM BECAUSE OF POLITICALLY CONNECTED NEIGHBORS OPPOSED TO THE
07:23:59PM PLAN OR A HEAD COUNT OF HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN BE RALLIED HERE
07:24:02PM IN OPPOSITION TONIGHT?
07:24:04PM DECISIONS MUST BE BASED ON FAIRNESS TO PROPERTY OWNERS AND
07:24:08PM THE BEST INTEREST OF THE ENTIRE CITY OF TAMPA.
07:24:10PM THIS PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED ON ALL THREE SIDES BY SIX
07:24:14PM HIGH-RISES.
07:24:15PM LESS THAN A BLOCK AWAY INCLUDING FIVE OF THEM.
07:24:18PM AQUATICA, ALLURE, SANCTUARY AND TWO RITZ TOWERS BUILT OVER
07:24:25PM THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
07:24:26PM THIS PROJECT IS NOT GOING TO BE THE ONE THAT DESTROYS THE
07:24:29PM NEIGHBORHOOD BUT RESTRICTING ITS USE, UNFAIRLY DEVALUES THE
07:24:33PM PROPERTY AND HARMS ITS OWNER CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM.
07:24:37PM THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SOME OPPOSING ANY CHANGE TO THE
07:24:40PM NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY HAVE LOUD VOICES.
07:24:42PM BUT IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT TAMPA CITY COUNCIL BASE THE
07:24:45PM DECISION ON THE GOOD FOR THE ENTIRE CITY OF TAMPA.
07:24:48PM BAYSHORE IS NO LONGER THE QUAINT TWO-LANE RESIDENTIAL ROAD
07:24:53PM WE SEE IN OLD PHOTOS.
07:24:55PM A BUSY FOUR-LANE THOROUGHFARE WITH MULTIPLE TURNOFFS AND
07:24:59PM TRAFFIC LIGHTS.
07:25:00PM BAYSHORE HAS CHANGED AND THE USE OF THIS PROPERTY MUST
07:25:02PM CHANGE.
07:25:02PM TAMPA HAS GROWN, AND A STRONG NEED FOR MULTIFAMILY
07:25:05PM RESIDENCES ALONG BAYSHORE.
07:25:08PM THIS SCALED-DOWN PLAN TO ALLOW THE SYNAGOGUE TO REMAIN WHERE
07:25:12PM IT IS THE BEST COMPROMISE TO PRESERVE SOME OF BAYSHORE'S
07:25:15PM CHARACTER AND STILL ALLOW RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT.
07:25:18PM IT WOULD BE UNFAIR TO DENY THIS PROJECT AND ALLOW ANY NEW
07:25:23PM HIGH-RISES ALONG BAYSHORE BOULEVARD IN THE FUTURE.
07:25:26PM RELATED GROUP IS A VALUABLE PARTNER IN TAMPA'S GROWTH AND
07:25:30PM THESE ARE FAVORABLE TIMES FOR DEVELOPMENT IN TAMPA; HOWEVER,
07:25:34PM THESE TIMES DON'T LAST FOREVER.
07:25:35PM TRANSFORMING AN ASPHALT PARK LOG THE TO AN INCOME PRODUCING
07:25:39PM PROPERTY WITH MORE GREEN SPACE BENEFITS THE CITY AND ITS
07:25:42PM RESIDENTS.
07:25:43PM TAMPA'S NEEDS HAVE CHANGED, AND THE CITY COUNCIL MUST HAVE
07:25:47PM THE COURAGE AND FORESIGHT TO ADAPT TO CHANGING CONDITIONS
07:25:52PM EVEN IN THE FACE OF OPPOSITION.
07:25:53PM NOT DOING SO IS A DISSERVICE TO OUR CITIZENS AND
07:25:56PM IRRESPONSIBLE FOR THE TAXPAYERS THIS CITY.
07:25:58PM THERE IS NO REASON TO DENY THIS PROPOSAL AGAIN.
07:26:00PM AND I URGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO SHOW LEADERSHIP AND VISION
07:26:04PM AND APPROVE THIS PLAN TODAY.
07:26:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
07:26:09PM JIM BAKER.
07:26:10PM KEENAN POOLE.
7:26:13PM >> I HAVE NO MINUTES.
7:26:15PM I HAVE THREE MINUTES.
7:26:16PM I HAVE NO ADDITIONAL MINUTES, AND I'LL USE EVEN LESS THAN
7:26:19PM THAT.
7:26:19PM MY NAME IS JIM BAKER.
7:26:21PM I RESIDE AT 610 WEST SWANN AVENUE, ABOUT A MILE FROM THE
7:26:26PM SYNAGOGUE ALSO, JUST RIGHT AT BAYSHORE ON THE CORNER OF
7:26:29PM BAYSHORE AND SWANN.
7:26:30PM YOU HEARD FROM MY WIFE A COUPLE OF SPEAKERS AGO.
7:26:32PM SHE PRETTY MUCH TOOK EVERYTHING I WAS GOING TO SAY.
7:26:34PM WE DIDN'T LOOK AT EACH OTHER'S THINGS.
7:26:37PM I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IN ADDITION TO OUR WHOLE FAMILY BEING
7:26:41PM MEMBERS OF THEIR FOREVER, I THOUGHT ABOUT A COUPLE OF POINTS
7:26:44PM THAT THROUGHOUT THESE MEETINGS AND I WENT BACK AND DID
7:26:47PM RESEARCH.
7:26:47PM ONE OF THE BIG THINGS IN ONE OF THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS WAS
7:26:50PM THE GREENSPACE.
7:26:51PM WELL, THIS IS AN ASPHALT PARKING LOT.
7:26:54PM IT IS NOT GREENSPACE THAT'S BEING UTILIZED.
7:26:56PM WE'RE NOT LOSING ANY GREENSPACE.
7:27:00PM IN FACT, WE'RE ADDING MORE TREES, MORE LANDSCAPING SO
7:27:02PM THERE'S MORE GREENSPACE.
7:27:04PM FITTING IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE WAS A QUOTE THAT I
7:27:06PM PULLED UP FROM A PREVIOUS ARTICLE THAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OF
7:27:09PM BAYSHORE GARDENS IS SURROUNDED BY TOWNHOMES AND LOW DENSITY
7:27:13PM HOUSING AND IS OUT OF SCALE WITH THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.
7:27:15PM I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.
7:27:17PM I THINK IT IS TOTALLY IN SCALE, IN FACT, MORE IN SCALE THAN
7:27:20PM IT'S EVER BEEN.
7:27:21PM I WANT TO THANK CITY COUNCIL.
7:27:23PM THANK RELATED, THANK ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS FOR MAKING THIS
7:27:26PM PROJECT THE BEST PROJECT THAT IT CAN BE.
7:27:28PM I'M TRULY GRATEFUL FOR LIVING IN THIS GREAT CITY.
7:27:31PM I WILL SAY THERE'S ONE MORE EVENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE
7:27:33PM AT RODEPH SHALOM ON MARCH 8.
7:27:35PM IT IS MY ADULT BAR MITZVAH.
7:27:38PM I'M THE ONLY 55-YEAR-OLD MAN I THINK WITH AN AARP CARD THAT
7:27:42PM WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE A BAR MITZVAH THERE.
7:27:45PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
7:27:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CONGRATULATIONS.
7:27:46PM THANK YOU, SIR.
7:27:47PM OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS KEENAN POOLE FOLLOWED BY PAULA PERRY.
7:27:54PM >> HELLO.
7:27:54PM MY NAME IS KEENAN POOLE.
7:27:56PM I'M A RETIRED MANAGING PARTNER OF A LARGE CPA FIRM.
7:28:01PM I FORMERLY LIVED AT THE STOVALL CONDOMINIUM FROM MARCH OF
7:28:07PM 2022 TO OCTOBER 15th, 2024.
7:28:12PM I HAVE WITNESSED FIRSTHAND THE DAMAGE THAT RELATED GROUP AND
7:28:18PM COASTAL CONSTRUCTION DID TO THE STOVALL CONDOMINIUM.
7:28:22PM THEY HAD TWO MASSIVE CONCRETE OVER-SPRAYS DAMAGING OUR
7:28:27PM BUILDING, DAMAGING OUR VEHICLES AND OUR POOL AREA.
7:28:32PM PAM IORIO, OUR FORMER MAYOR, NEGOTIATED OUT-OF-COURT
7:28:38PM SETTLEMENT IN EXCESS OF 650,000 FOR THE DAMAGES THAT THEY
7:28:42PM CAUSED ON THE CONCRETE OVER-SPRAY.
7:28:46PM I PERSONALLY TRIPPED OVER A HAZARD ON THE SIDEWALK RESULTING
7:28:54PM IN THREE RIBS BEING FRACTURED.
7:28:57PM I SETTLED WITH THEIR INSURANCE COMPANY FOR $12,000.
7:29:01PM I GAVE ALL -- I GAVE HALF TO THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB TO FIGHT
7:29:06PM THESE RICH LAWYERS THAT THEY HAVE HIRED.
7:29:11PM AND ALSO I GAVE 6,000 TO THE BAYSHORE BAPTIST.
7:29:14PM I DIDN'T WANT ONE CENT FROM THESE GREEDY OVER-DEVELOPERS.
7:29:19PM ALSO, I WAS BROUGHT UP BY TWO FORMER U.S. MARINES FROM
7:29:26PM WORLD WAR II TO HONOR YOUR NEIGHBOR AND TO RESPECT THEM.
7:29:31PM WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO TO THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB, THEY ARE
7:29:34PM GOING TO PUT THEM OUT OF BUSINESS WHILE THE CONSTRUCTION
7:29:37PM BECAUSE THEY ALLOWED DEBRIS TO BE ON OUR PROPERTY ALL THE
7:29:42PM TIME.
7:29:42PM WHO WANTS TO GET MARRIED WITH CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS BLOWING
7:29:46PM ALL OVER THE PLACE?
7:29:47PM THE RELATED GROUP AND COASTAL CONSTRUCTION ARE THE WORST
7:29:52PM NEIGHBORS POSSIBLE.
7:29:54PM THEY NEVER TOOK ANY PREVENTIVE ACTION TO PICK UP THEIR STUFF
7:29:58PM THAT BLEW ON OUR PROPERTY.
7:30:00PM OUR HOUSE CLEANERS HAD TO DO IT.
7:30:03PM TWO WOMEN HAD TO DO WHAT GROWN MEN SHOULD BE DOING.
7:30:06PM THEY OPERATED WITH FLOOD LIGHTS AS EARLY AS 5:00 IN THE
7:30:14PM MORNING UNTIL 10:30 AT NIGHT.
7:30:16PM IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS A PRISON SHINING RIGHT ONTO OUR
7:30:20PM BUILDING.
7:30:20PM MOST OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE STOVALL CONDOMINIUM ARE
7:30:26PM ELDERLY.
7:30:26PM THEY BULLIED THEM.
7:30:29PM SHAME ON THE TEMPLE FOR SAYING, "OH, WE'RE GOOD NEIGHBORS
7:30:35PM AND WHAT THE GREAT RELATED GROUP IS DOING."
7:30:37PM THEY WANT TO HURT THEIR NEIGHBORS.
7:30:39PM THEY ARE AGAINST THEIR OWN JUDAIC PRINCIPLES.
7:30:42PM LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THY SELF.
7:30:45PM HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK OUT FOR THE GARDEN CLUB?
7:30:47PM ALSO, YOU CITY PLANNERS, YOU JUST APPROVE EVERY VARIANCE --
7:30:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE FOCUS YOUR ATTENTION TO US.
7:30:56PM THANK YOU.
7:30:57PM >> WELL, I'M CALLING THEM OUT BECAUSE THEY GOT EVERY
7:30:59PM VARIANCE TO HURT US.
7:31:01PM IT'S TOO VAGUE AND TOO WIDE.
7:31:03PM SHAME ON THE CITY OF TAMPA.
7:31:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PAULA PERRY IS THE NEXT SPEAKER FOLLOWED
7:31:07PM BY TRACI RILEY.
7:31:09PM IF YOU HAVE A NUMBER, PLEASE DROP IT IN THE BUCKET.
7:31:25PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, MA'AM.
7:31:40PM >> PAULA PERRY.
7:31:41PM I'M A LONG TERM RESIDENT OF TAMPA AND A MEMBER OF THE GARDEN
7:31:47PM CLUB AND A RESIDENT OF THE BEACH PARK NEIGHBORHOOD.
7:31:50PM THIS IS REALLY A COMMUNITY ISSUE.
7:31:53PM THIS IS NOT ONE GARDEN CLUB AGAINST ONE NEIGHBOR.
7:31:56PM WE'RE ACTUALLY GOOD NEIGHBORS TO THE SYNAGOGUE AND WE ENJOY
7:32:00PM HAVING THEM AS NEIGHBORS.
7:32:01PM I DO HAVE RESOLUTIONS FROM THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB.
7:32:05PM THE BAYSHORE TOWN HOUSE OWNERS ASSOCIATION, ALTURA BAYSHORE
7:32:09PM CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION, THE SOUTH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION,
7:32:13PM MICHAEL'S TOWNHOMES PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION AND HYDE
7:32:17PM PARK SPANISH TOWN CREEK CIVIC ASSOCIATION OPPOSING THIS
7:32:22PM REQUEST AND MORE THAN 750 PEOPLE WHO HAVE, CITIZENS OF THE
7:32:29PM CITY OF TAMPA THAT HAVE SIGNED A PETITION AND SUBMITTED
7:32:33PM LETTERS IN OPPOSITION OF THIS.
7:32:34PM THE PROJECT SIZE AND SCALE IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE
7:32:38PM LOCATION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
7:32:39PM IT BORDERS SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND SMALL BUSINESSES SUCH AS
7:32:43PM THE WOMEN'S OWNED TAMPA GARDEN CLUB.
7:32:45PM THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT STATES 195, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY 215 FEET IF
7:32:50PM YOU LOOK ON THEIR SITE PLAN.
7:32:52PM I HAVEN'T SEEN THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED TODAY, SO I
7:32:55PM DON'T KNOW IF THEY REDUCED IT.
7:32:56PM BUT IT SAYS 215 IN THE OTHER ONE.
7:32:59PM IT IS IN A CHHA, ACCORDING TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE CODE,
7:33:02PM COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA 1.1 DIRECTS FUTURE POPULATION
7:33:06PM CONCENTRATIONS AWAY FROM COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
7:33:09PM A LOT OF OUR FAMILY, NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS ARE STILL TRYING
7:33:14PM TO RECOVER FROM THE DEVASTATING DAMAGE FROM HURRICANES
7:33:18PM HELENE AND MILTON AND WE'RE ACTUALLY STILL UNDER A STATE OF
7:33:22PM EMERGENCY.
7:33:23PM I HAVE A COPY OF THAT FOR YOU AS WELL.
7:33:25PM ONE OTHER THING, APPROVING REZONING APPLICATIONS MAY GRANT
7:33:30PM APPLICANTS LEGAL ENTITLEMENTS.
7:33:32PM IN ADDITION TO LEGAL ENTITLEMENTS, ANY CHANGES TO THE SITE
7:33:35PM PLAN CONSIDERED NOT SUBSTANTIAL MAY BE APPROVED BY THE CITY
7:33:39PM OF TAMPA ADMINISTRATOR ALONE.
7:33:41PM THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND READINGS
7:33:44PM FOR THE RITZ-CARLTON TOWERS.
7:33:46PM THE PROJECT ON SANTIAGO.
7:33:49PM REALLY, WHAT WE SEE THERE, BUILT NOW, BEING BUILT NOW, IT'S
7:33:53PM MORE THAN WHAT CITY COUNCIL APPROVED.
7:33:56PM I THINK THAT'S VERY SIGNIFICANT.
7:33:57PM IT'S MORE UNITS.
7:33:58PM IT'S MORE STORIES.
7:34:02PM IT'S MORE THAN.
7:34:03PM AND THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS LOCATION AND IT'S JUST
7:34:06PM SOMETHING TO CONSIDER THAT EVERYTHING DECIDED HERE ISN'T
7:34:10PM NECESSARILY WHERE IT ENDS.
7:34:11PM I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY.
7:34:18PM THANK YOU, AND, PLEASE OPPOSE THIS PROJECT FOR OUR CITY.
7:34:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
7:34:22PM OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS TRACI RILEY FOLLOWED BY PAT CIMINO AND
7:34:26PM TONI EVERETT.
7:34:27PM AND MS. RILEY, YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
7:34:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ONE NAME, LINDA DAY.
7:34:58PM ADDITIONAL MINUTE.
7:34:59PM FOUR MINUTES, PLEASE.
7:35:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
7:35:01PM >> TRACI RILEY.
7:35:02PM IT'S NICE TO BE HERE THIS EVENING.
7:35:04PM THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE, I WAS REPRESENTING FRED BALL PARK,
7:35:09PM WHICH IS THE ONLY GREENSPACE LEFT ON BAYSHORE AND NEXT TO
7:35:12PM THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB.
7:35:14PM I WANT TO HAVE A SHOUT-OUT AND A SPECIAL THANKS TO MARLON,
7:35:18PM JULIO, TED AND TONY WITH PARKS AND REC.
7:35:21PM I HAVE WORKED A LOT WITH THEM OVER THE LAST YEAR.
7:35:25PM I HAVE TO SAY WE HAVE GOTTEN A LOT DONE AND WE ARE NOW ABOUT
7:35:28PM TO BREAK GROUND ON REPAIRING AND RESTORING PALMA CEIA SPRING
7:35:34PM AS WELL.
7:35:35PM WE HAVE CLEANED UP THE PARK.
7:35:36PM WE HAVE ADDED SEVEN GARDENS.
7:35:38PM 15.6 BY 700 LINEAR FEET BACK THAT BELONGS TO THE CITY BY
7:35:44PM REMOVING AN OLD CHAIN LINK FENCE.
7:35:46PM STARTED THE ADA COMPLIANCE FOR THE PARK.
7:35:49PM HISTORICAL MARKER GOING INTO THE GROUND ON FEBRUARY 28 TO
7:35:53PM MARK THE SPRING, ALONG WITH A MONEY-RAISING EVENT THAT WILL
7:35:58PM GO ON AT ULELE ON THE SAME EVENING.
7:36:01PM WE HAVE INSTALLED FENCING.
7:36:05PM WE HAVE WORKED WITH ECOSPHERE TO MATCH AND SECURE GRANTS.
7:36:09PM WE HAVE CURRENTLY RAISED $100,000 TO DATE FOR THAT PARK.
7:36:17PM I SAY THIS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE,
7:36:20PM DEVELOPERS OFTEN OFFER THAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO THINGS FOR
7:36:24PM OUR COMMUNITY.
7:36:25PM I PROMISED YOU THAT WE WOULD KEEP OUR PROMISE AND THAT YOU
7:36:27PM WOULD NOT NEED TO USE THAT IN YOUR DECISION BECAUSE THE
7:36:31PM COMMUNITY IS SPEAKING LOUD THAT IT WOULD LIKE TO TAKE CARE
7:36:34PM OF ITS SPACE.
7:36:35PM THIS COMMUNITY SPOKE SO LOUD IT NOT ONLY RAISED FUNDS, BUT
7:36:38PM WE HAD PRICE WATERS COOPER TARGET ON GANDY THE SANCTUARY,
7:36:44PM SOUTHERN FLORIDA LANDSCAPING, CASPER OF THE STOVALL HOUSE,
7:36:48PM TAMPA GARDEN CLUB, KEEPING TAMPA BAY BEAUTIFUL, ARGYLE REAL
7:36:51PM ESTATE GROUP AND SURROUNDING COMMUNITY MEMBERS ALL PITCHED
7:36:54PM IN HOURS UPON HOURS AND UPON HOURS THE LAST YEAR TO PUT
7:36:59PM THEIR HANDS IN THE DIRT AND HELP REPAIR, PAINT AND RESTORE
7:37:03PM THIS GREENSPACE.
7:37:06PM I THOUGHT IT INTERESTING AND I WASN'T GOING TO SAY ANYTHING,
7:37:09PM BUT WE WILL BE WORKING WITH TOM REECE TO RESTORE THE SPRING,
7:37:13PM AND THEY HAVE NOW DECIDED THEY EVEN WANT US TO WORK ON
7:37:17PM BALLAST POINT, ALL THE SAME PLAYERS ARE INTERESTED IN DOING
7:37:19PM THAT AS WELL FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
7:37:21PM WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY IS THAT WE WOULD LIKE OUR
7:37:25PM NEIGHBORHOOD TO STAY AS SMALL OF A NEIGHBORHOOD AS WE CAN,
7:37:28PM KEEP THAT SMALL FEEL.
7:37:30PM KEEP THOSE PARKS THAT PEOPLE WALK THEIR DOGS IN, NOT HAVE
7:37:33PM THE GIANT HIGH-RISES BLOCK OUR SKIES.
7:37:36PM I NOTICED THAT THE DEVELOPER FOR THE SANCTUARY STOOD IN HERE
7:37:40PM AND DECIDED HE WOULD TAKE OWNERSHIP FOR THAT BUILDING WHICH
7:37:43PM I FOUND VERY INTERESTING SINCE IT IS A DISASTER AND I HAVE
7:37:46PM PERSONALLY WALKED IN THAT BUILDING AND THE RESIDENCE IS
7:37:52PM FLOODING.
7:37:53PM THE BACK WALL PERMEATES THE WALL.
7:37:56PM IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND I BELIEVE ALSO A CLASS ACTION
7:37:59PM LAWSUIT.
7:37:59PM IN THE MINUTES FROM THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB THAT I WAS ABLE TO
7:38:02PM ATTAIN HE ALSO PROMISED WHEN HE WAS BUILDING THAT BUILDING
7:38:05PM WHILE HE DESTROYED THE PARK HE WOULD ACTUALLY REPAIR THE
7:38:08PM PARK AND MAKE IT ADA COMPLIANT AND HE WALKED AWAY FROM ALL
7:38:11PM OF THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES AND LEFT IT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO
7:38:14PM DO, WHICH WE ARE DOING.
7:38:15PM I AM FOR YOU TO CONSIDER WHEN THESE PEOPLE MAKE PROMISES TO
7:38:20PM YOU THAT THEY DON'T ONLY KEEP THEM, BUT THEY DAMAGE THE
7:38:24PM COMMUNITY.
7:38:25PM I PERSONALLY WENT OUT AFTER BOTH OF THOSE HURRICANES AND
7:38:27PM CLEANED THAT PARK MYSELF.
7:38:29PM IT HAD HISTORIC FLOODING OF FOUR FEET OF WATER GOING ALL THE
7:38:33PM WAY BACK.
7:38:34PM THAT AREA ALREADY FLOODS WITHOUT NEW HIGH-RISES BLOCKING UP
7:38:38PM THOSE STREETS AND MAKING IT WORSE.
7:38:40PM THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THE WATER TO GO.
7:38:42PM THANK YOU.
7:38:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
7:38:43PM PAT CIMINO.
7:38:45PM TONI EVERETT, LAURA KREITZER.
7:38:48PM HELLO, SIR.
7:38:49PM THIS IS NOT A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
7:39:01PM >> NO, IT IS NOT.
7:39:02PM IT IS MY LETTER.
7:39:03PM GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.
7:39:04PM I'M PATRICK CIMINO.
7:39:06PM I AM THE LAND USE CHAIR OF HISTORIC HYDE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD
7:39:08PM ASSOCIATION.
7:39:09PM ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD, WHICH THE BOARD VOTED TO SUPPORT THE
7:39:13PM POSITION OF THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB AND ASK YOU AND THE OTHER
7:39:17PM NEIGHBORS AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND ASK YOU TO
7:39:19PM DENY THIS REZONING AND LAND USE CHANGE AS AN UNREASONABLE
7:39:24PM INCREASE IN DENSITY FOR THE ABOVE REFERENCED CASE AND OUT OF
7:39:30PM CHARACTER WITH THE ADJACENT GREENSPACE.
7:39:32PM THE CITY NEGOTIATED A NONBINDING SETTLEMENT AND I FOUND IT
7:39:38PM INTERESTING THAT SOME OF THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS SAID, WELL,
7:39:41PM WHO ARE THE PARTIES TO THE SETTLEMENT?
7:39:43PM THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER.
7:39:44PM WHERE WAS THE COMMUNITY?
7:39:45PM SO YOU ALL NOW REPRESENT US.
7:39:49PM WE DO GET A SAY, BUT WE WEREN'T IN THAT NEGOTIATION.
7:39:53PM BOTH THE SYNAGOGUE AND THE GARDEN CLUB HAVE STORIED
7:39:58PM HISTORIES.
7:39:59PM I REALLY RESPECT THAT.
7:40:00PM BUT ONE ENTITY SHOULD NOT EXPERIENCE HARDSHIP DUE TO THE
7:40:04PM ACTIONS OF ANOTHER ENTITY.
7:40:06PM THIS I WOULD CALL IT A HIGH-RISE DOES THAT TO THE GARDEN
7:40:14PM CLUB AND ITS VENUE SITE, ESPECIALLY THE WEDDING SITE.
7:40:18PM HISTORIC BALLPARK, THE GARDEN CLUB AND EVEN THE GROUNDS OF
7:40:21PM THE SYNAGOGUE INCLUDE PROBABLY THE LARGEST REMAINING SWATCH
7:40:25PM OF GREENERY ON BAYSHORE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A HIGH-RISE RIGHT
7:40:29PM ON BAYSHORE.
7:40:30PM BECAUSE, YEAH, THE EXAMPLES THEY ARE SHOWING OF NEARBY
7:40:32PM HIGH-RISES AREN'T ON BAYSHORE.
7:40:35PM THEY ARE SET BACK.
7:40:36PM PLANNING, WHICH WASN'T MENTIONED IN THE CITY REPORT,
7:40:40PM UNFORTUNATELY AND ALREADY POINTED OUT, DEEMED THIS AN
7:40:43PM INCONSISTENT AREA BECAUSE IT IS IN A COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
7:40:46PM AREA AND VERY SHORTSIGHTED NOT TO LOOK AT THAT.
7:40:48PM AND IF ANYTHING, THE SCHOOL AND THE SYNAGOGUE HAVE
7:40:51PM FUNCTIONED WITHIN THEIR ENTITLEMENT.
7:40:54PM SO THEY ARE NOT REALLY -- YOU ALL CAN SAY NO HERE.
7:40:58PM IF THEY WANT TO CHANGE, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO DEVELOPMENT BUT
7:41:02PM MAKE IT REASONABLE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
7:41:03PM IT'S STILL A VERY LARGE-SCALE, MASSIVE STRUCTURE THAT YOU
7:41:07PM LOOK AT FROM THE WEDDING GARDEN.
7:41:10PM AS I MENTIONED, THE CITY COUNCIL IS UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO
7:41:16PM CHANGE THIS, BUT THE PETITIONER'S NEED TO COME FORTH WITH A
7:41:19PM REASONABLE PROPOSAL FOR THIS AREA.
7:41:22PM HEIGHT, MASS, DENSITY, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SAY AND TRY TO
7:41:25PM PRESERVE OUR LITTLE FRINGE OF HISTORIC GREENSPACE IN TAMPA.
7:41:29PM I'M GOING TO GO A LITTLE BIT OFF MY SCRIPT BECAUSE THERE'S
7:41:34PM BEEN MENTION OF WALKABILITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
7:41:37PM WELL, HISTORIC DISTRICTS AS PRESERVE THE BURG HAVE SHOWN ARE
7:41:42PM SOME OF THE MOST DENSELY POPULATED AREAS IN THE CITY.
7:41:46PM I WOULD ARGUE WE PROBABLY ARE TOO.
7:41:49PM WE HAVE MID AND HIGH-RISES AS WELL, BUT WE ARE WALKABLE
7:41:52PM BECAUSE WE HAVE NICE SIDEWALKS AND WE HAVE GREENERY AND WE
7:41:54PM HAVE PARKS, A LOT OF WHICH WE MAINTAIN.
7:41:56PM SO I URGE YOU, PRESERVE THIS AREA.
7:42:01PM IT'S SPECIAL.
7:42:02PM VOTE AGAINST THIS REZONING.
7:42:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
7:42:04PM TONY EVERETT.
7:42:05PM LAURA KREITZER.
7:42:06PM GINALUCCA MORELLO.
7:42:11PM GOOD EVENING, MA'AM.
7:42:15PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND IF YOU HAVE A NUMBER, PLEASE DROP
7:42:17PM IT IN THE BASKET.
7:42:18PM >> TONI EVERETT.
7:42:21PM I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME AND WAS BORN AND RAISED
7:42:31PM HERE.
7:42:32PM FROM BAY TO BAY TO THE DIPLOMAT, IT WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED
7:42:39PM HIGH-RISE.
7:42:41PM THE FACT THAT SOMETHING ELSE WAS BUILT THERE IS FINE, BUT
7:42:46PM THERE WAS NO HEIGHT RESTRICTION CAPPED ON THAT.
7:42:50PM ALSO, IN THE RECENT MONTHS SINCE THE STORM, BOTH OF THOSE
7:42:58PM STORMS, I HAVE HAD AN INFLUX OF PEOPLE THAT WANT CONDOS.
7:43:05PM SO THERE IS A NEED FOR MORE CONDOS.
7:43:08PM WE'VE HAD IMMEDIATELY PEOPLE MOVING IN AND BUYING CONDOS AND
7:43:15PM THEN --
7:43:16PM >> [SHOUTING FROM THE AUDIENCE]
7:43:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MA'AM, YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER.
7:43:21PM >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, THERE NEEDS TO BE
7:43:27PM SANCTIONS ON THIS.
7:43:28PM I DON'T CARE HOW POLITICALLY CONNECTED THAT PERSON IS, THAT
7:43:31PM IS INAPPROPRIATE.
7:43:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ABSOLUTELY.
7:43:33PM >>LUIS VIERA: THAT IS INAPPROPRIATE.
7:43:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'M SORRY FOR THE INTERRUPTION.
7:43:38PM PLEASE TAKE AN EXTRA MINUTES.
7:43:44PM >> LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE MOVING IN CONDOS FOR RENT AND TO BUY
7:43:49PM SINCE THE STORM.
7:43:51PM THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR HOUSES FLOODING WHEN THEY ARE
7:43:55PM AWAY, SO THEY HAVE DECIDED TO MOVE IN CONDOS AND I THINK
7:43:59PM THAT WE NEED MORE.
7:44:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
7:44:04PM OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS LAURA KREITZER, GINALUCCA MORELLO.
7:44:28PM >> GOOD EVENING.
7:44:30PM THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS
7:44:34PM PROJECT.
7:44:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
7:44:35PM >> YES, MY NAME IS LAURA KREITZER.
7:44:38PM AND UNLIKE MY FRIENDS DR. MARCADIS AND DR. BAKER, I WAS NOT
7:44:46PM BORN INTO THIS CONGREGATION, BUT I HAVE ALSO SERVED AS ITS
7:44:50PM PRESIDENT.
7:44:50PM IN 1974, UNCLE SAM DECIDED THAT OUR FAMILY SHOULD RELOCATE
7:44:56PM TO TAMPA, FLORIDA.
7:44:58PM MY HUSBAND SERVED AT MacDILL, AND WE BECAME MEMBERS OF
7:45:03PM CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM ALMOST IMMEDIATELY WITHIN THE
7:45:07PM FIRST COUPLE OF MONTHS.
7:45:09PM WE WERE REALLY HAPPY TO HAVE A CONSERVATIVE SYNAGOGUE
7:45:13PM AVAILABLE TO US.
7:45:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
7:45:19PM EVERYBODY.
7:45:21PM THANK YOU.
7:45:22PM YES, MA'AM.
7:45:23PM >> IT HAS BEEN PART OF OUR LIVES FOR 50 YEARS.
7:45:28PM WE ARE REGULAR CONGREGANTS.
7:45:30PM WE HAVE CELEBRATED MANY LIFE CYCLE EVENTS AT RODEPH SHALOM.
7:45:36PM AND EVEN THOUGH WE ARE NO LONGER YOUNG, OUR CONGREGATION IS
7:45:41PM STILL VIBRANT.
7:45:43PM IT IS STILL ALIVE.
7:45:45PM AND TO RISK THE POSSIBILITY OF NOT HAVING A FLOURISHING
7:45:53PM CONSERVATIVE CONGREGATION IN SOUTH TAMPA WOULD BE A
7:45:57PM TREMENDOUS LOSS.
7:45:59PM WE COULD HAVE MOVED ANYWHERE AFTER MY HUSBAND FINISHED HIS
7:46:04PM TRAINING, BUT BECAUSE OF OUR TIES TO THE SYNAGOGUE, TO THE
7:46:13PM COMMUNITY THAT WAS DEVELOPING IN THE 1970s AND 1980s
7:46:16PM UNTIL NOW, WE DECIDED WE WOULD MAKE THIS OUR HOME.
7:46:20PM MY HUSBAND PRACTICED MEDICINE HERE FOR 44 YEARS.
7:46:25PM I WOULD HOPE THAT ANY YOUNG FAMILY, ANY YOUNG JEWISH FAMILY
7:46:31PM LOOKING FOR A GOOD COMMUNITY WOULD CONSIDER SOUTH TAMPA
7:46:35PM BECAUSE RODEPH SHALOM IS THERE.
7:46:37PM THANK YOU.
7:46:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
7:46:38PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
7:46:39PM THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GINALUCCA MORELLO WHO HAS A SPEAKER
7:46:48PM WAIVER FORM.
7:47:07PM >>BILL CARLSON: THERE ARE ALL THESE SIDEBARS GOING ON.
7:47:10PM IF WE ARE GOING TO SANCTION THE PERSON, WE SHOULD DO IT NOW
7:47:15PM INSTEAD OF HAVING THE SIDEBARS.
7:47:16PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: LET ME STOP FOR A MINUTE, MR. CHAIRMAN AND
7:47:19PM MAKE THE COMMENTS, PLEASE, FOR THE RECORD.
7:47:21PM I'M GOING TO BRING TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION ITS RULES OF
7:47:24PM PROCEDURE, BRING TO THE PUBLIC'S ATTENTION THE RULES OF
7:47:26PM PROCEDURE.
7:47:27PM RULE 5F, SPEAKERS SHALL REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR,
7:47:36PM INCLUDING MAKING VULGAR OR THREATENING REMARKS AND SHALL
7:47:39PM REMAIN FROM MAKING PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST ANY CITY
7:47:42PM OFFICIAL, CITY STAFF MEMBER OR MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.
7:47:45PM COMMENTS SHALL BE DIRECTED TO THIS COUNCIL AS A BODY AND NOT
7:47:47PM TO INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS.
7:47:50PM G NO ONE PRESENT DURING A COUNCIL MEETING SHALL ENGAGE IN
7:47:53PM DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING INTENTIONALLY MAKING OR
7:47:57PM CAUSING TO BE MADE ANY DISRUPTIVE NOISE OR SOUND OR
7:48:00PM DISPLAYING SIGNS OR GRAPHICS IN A MANNER DISRUPTIVE TO THE
7:48:03PM PROCEEDING.
7:48:04PM H, THE CHAIR SHALL RULE OUT OF ORDER ANY MEMBER OF THE
7:48:08PM PUBLIC WHO SHALL SPEAK WITHOUT BEING RECOGNIZED OR WHO SHALL
7:48:11PM ADDRESS COUNCIL, NOT ADDRESS COUNCIL FROM THE PODIUM OR
7:48:15PM OTHER ESTABLISHED SPEAKER AREA.
7:48:17PM NO PERSON SHALL APPROACH THE DAIS OF THE CITY COUNCIL DURING
7:48:20PM MEETINGS EXCEPT COUNCIL MEMBERS AND EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY
7:48:23PM UNLESS INVITED BY A MEMBER OF COUNCIL.
7:48:26PM I, ALL PERSONS SHALL AT ALL TIMES SHALL CONDUCT THEMSELVES
7:48:31PM IN ACCORDANCE WITH COUNCIL'S RULES.
7:48:33PM PERSONS FAILING TO DO SO SHALL BE RULED OUT OF ORDER AND MAY
7:48:36PM BE DIRECTED BY THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR TO BE REMOVED
7:48:39PM FROM THE COUNCIL CHAMBER.
7:48:41PM SUCH PERSON SHALL NOT THEREAFTER BE READMITTED TO THE
7:48:43PM COUNCIL CHAMBER OR CITY HALL DURING THE REMAINDER OF THE
7:48:47PM DAY'S MEETING.
7:48:48PM THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
7:48:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AS YOU SAW, SOMEBODY CAME IN HERE AND
7:48:56PM INTERRUPTED, COMPLETELY OUT OF ORDER.
7:48:58PM I FIND IT COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY DISRESPECTFUL.
7:49:01PM YOU READ THE RULES.
7:49:02PM THEREFORE I DON'T THINK THAT PERSON SHOULD BE ADMITTED
7:49:06PM ANYMORE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS MEETING.
7:49:08PM I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN ALMOST TEN YEARS HERE.
7:49:11PM >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND.
7:49:12PM IT'S FOLLOWING THE RULES ANYWAY, BUT IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A
7:49:18PM MOTION.
7:49:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I RULE THAT PERSON OUT OF ORDER FOR WHAT
7:49:21PM WAS WITNESSED HERE A FEW MINUTES AGO.
7:49:23PM WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
7:49:25PM ALL IN FAVOR?
7:49:27PM I RULE THAT PERSON OUT OF ORDER AS EVERYBODY WITNESSED HERE.
7:49:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
7:49:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
7:49:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: AGAIN, MY APOLOGIES, COUNCIL, FOR A
7:49:39PM SIDEBAR.
7:49:40PM I APPRECIATE THE COMMENT OF BEING ABLE TO STATE THE RULES
7:49:43PM PUBLICLY.
7:49:43PM MR. MORELLO HAS THREE NAMES.
7:49:48PM SCOTT DISTACIO, DAVID DONAT AND DONNA DONAT.
7:49:56PM THREE ADDITIONAL MINUTES FOR A TOTAL OF 6.
7:49:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SIR, AFTER YOU SPEAK, WE'LL TAKE A QUICK
7:50:02PM FIVE-MINUTE RECESS.
7:50:03PM WE HAVE TWO MORE SPEAKERS AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE A
7:50:07PM LONGER RECESS BECAUSE WE HAVE 48 MORE PEOPLE DOWN STAIRS WE
7:50:10PM NEED TO BRING UP.
7:50:12PM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
7:50:13PM MY NAME IS GINALUCCA MORELLO.
7:50:16PM PRESIDENT OF THE ALTURA BAYSHORE CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION.
7:50:18PM THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE TIME TO SPEAK TO YOU THIS
7:50:22PM EVENING.
7:50:23PM A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ALTURA, WHILE THE ALTURA IS A NEW
7:50:27PM HIGH-RISE BUILDING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE ARE SET BACK ONE
7:50:31PM BLOCK OFF BAYSHORE TO THE WEST AND WE ARE BUILT RIGHT UP
7:50:35PM AGAINST THE CROSSTOWN EXPRESSWAY.
7:50:37PM OUR DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES A SECOND GARAGE THAT WAS BUILT FOR
7:50:39PM GUESTS OF THE BAYSHORE GARDENS COMMERCIAL SITE WHICH HOUSES
7:50:43PM SEVERAL RESTAURANTS.
7:50:43PM THIS PROVIDES A NICE BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT
7:50:46PM KEEPS ALL OF THE RESTAURANT TRAFFIC PARKED IN THE CONFINED
7:50:49PM AREA BEHIND OUR BUILDING AND DOES NOT ALLOW IT TO SPREAD
7:50:52PM ACROSS THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
7:50:53PM OUR BUILDING IS CATTY-CORNER TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
7:50:57PM ALTURA WILL BE SPECIALLY IMPACTED BY THE PROPOSED
7:51:01PM DEVELOPMENT IN A NUMBER OF WAYS.
7:51:03PM I'LL BRIEFLY ADDRESS JUST A FEW.
7:51:05PM FIRST, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE
7:51:07PM SURROUNDINGS.
7:51:08PM I HAVE SOMETHING ON THE ELMO TO SHOW THE CORRIDOR OR
7:51:15PM GREENSPACE --
7:51:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT WILL COME UP IN JUST A MOMENT.
7:51:17PM THERE IT IS, SIR.
7:51:19PM GO AHEAD.
7:51:19PM >> THAT WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING.
7:51:21PM IT STRETCHES -- ALTURA STANDS ON THE WESTERN PERIMETER OF
7:51:24PM THE THREE-BLOCK CORRIDOR OF GREENSPACE AND LOW-RISE
7:51:28PM STRUCTURES DIRECTLY ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
7:51:29PM THE CORRIDOR RUNS NORTH FROM BAY TO BAY ALL THE WAY UP TO
7:51:33PM THE SANCTUARY CONDO BUILDING WHICH IS NORTH OF THE FRED BALL
7:51:37PM PARK.
7:51:38PM THE STRUCTURES IN THIS CORRIDOR ARE LIMITED TO TWO STORIES
7:51:42PM SMALL OFFICE STRUCTURE, WOMEN'S CLUB, GARDEN CLUB, TWO
7:51:46PM COLLECTIONS OF TOWNHOMES WITH GREENSPACE AROUND THEM, THE
7:51:49PM BAYSHORE 2713 BAYSHORE PROPERTY AND FRED BALL PARK.
7:51:56PM THIS IS A PANORAMIC OF THAT CORRIDOR.
7:52:06PM AS YOU CAN TELL, THIS CORRIDOR CREATES A NICE SERENE AND
7:52:09PM TRANQUIL AREA THAT EVERY ALTURA RESIDENT EXPERIENCES WHEN
7:52:12PM THEY EXIT THE BUILDING.
7:52:13PM THIS INCLUDES MY FAMILY AND MANY OTHER DOG OWNERS IN THE
7:52:16PM BUILDING TO ROUTINELY STROLL UP AND DOWN THE STREETS OF THAT
7:52:20PM AREA WALKING OUR DOGS MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY.
7:52:23PM FORCING A 16 STORY TOWER WITH A SEPARATE GARAGE STRUCTURE
7:52:26PM AND LARGE FOOTPRINT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT CORRIDOR IS
7:52:29PM COMPLETELY INCONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.
7:52:32PM THIS WILL DETRIMENTALLY IMPACT ALL OF ALTURA'S RESIDENTS AS
7:52:37PM WELL AS THE NEIGHBORS.
7:52:38PM THE SECOND I WANT TO ADDRESS IS THE FLOODING.
7:52:40PM THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS SURE TO IMPACT ALTURA IN THIS WAY,
7:52:43PM TOO.
7:52:44PM THE AREA EXPERIENCED SEVERE FLOODING DURING HURRICANE
7:52:47PM HELENE.
7:52:48PM THIS IS A SCREEN SHOT FROM A VIDEO FROM ALTURA DURING THE
7:52:54PM HURRICANE.
7:52:55PM THIS WAS TAKEN IN FRONT OF 2713 BAYSHORE.
7:53:00PM AS YOU CAN SEE, THE WATER LEVEL IS AS HIGH AS THE TOP OF THE
7:53:03PM BALUSTRADE ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD AND THE WAVES ARE BREAKING
7:53:07PM ON THE BAYSHORE ITSELF.
7:53:10PM THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE SYNAGOGUE'S PARKING LOT.
7:53:15PM AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS A SCREEN SHOT FROM THE SAME VIDEO.
7:53:19PM THE PARKING LOT IS UNDERWATER.
7:53:20PM IF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS BUILT, IT'S A NO-BRAINER THE
7:53:24PM NEXT TIME THIS TYPE OF FLOODWATER HAPPENS ALL OF THE WATER
7:53:28PM WILL BE PUSHED IN OTHER DIRECTIONS TOWARD THE ALTURA AND
7:53:31PM OTHER SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
7:53:32PM AS YOU CAN TELL AND AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, WE ARE VERY
7:53:36PM CONCERNED ABOUT THE FUTURE IMPACT OF THE FLOODING IN THE
7:53:38PM AREA.
7:53:38PM THIRD, I WOULD LIKE TO BRIEFLY ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC.
7:53:42PM IN THE RECORD THERE IS A MEMORANDUM PROVIDED BY OUR TRAFFIC
7:53:48PM EXPERT.
7:53:49PM ALL OF ALTURA'S RESIDENTS EXPERIENCE QUEUING AT PEAK HOURS
7:53:53PM WHEN WE DRIVE SOUTHBOUND ON YSABELLA TOWARDS BAY TO BAY.
7:53:57PM DURING THE 24 HOURS THAT THE ENGINEER STUDIED THE SPACE, HE
7:54:00PM FOUND QUEUING OF UP TO IN EXCESS OF 300 FEET.
7:54:04PM SO THAT IS A FOOTBALL FIELD.
7:54:06PM ADDING THE 38 UNITS AND ALL OF THEIR CARS WILL EXACERBATE
7:54:11PM THAT SITUATION.
7:54:11PM THE SAME THING WITH CUT-THRU TRAFFIC THAT JANE, OUR LAWYER,
7:54:15PM PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED.
7:54:16PM IN THE PEAK HOURS, THE PEAK FOUR HOURS, INCLUDING THE
7:54:19PM MORNING AND THE AFTERNOON OF THE DAY THAT THE ENGINEER WAS
7:54:22PM THERE, HE OBSERVED 82 CUT-THRUS ONLY THROUGH THE BARCELONA
7:54:27PM STREET RIGHT NEXT TO THE PROPERTY THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF
7:54:29PM THIS HEARING.
7:54:30PM OBVIOUSLY, WE ARE ALREADY EXPERIENCING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT
7:54:34PM OF CONGESTION AND TRAFFIC ON THE STREET AND THE PROJECT WILL
7:54:38PM EXACERBATE THE ENTIRE SITUATION.
7:54:40PM THE ALTURA IS NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT.
7:54:43PM WE'RE AGAINST DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL SPECIALLY IMPACT US AND,
7:54:47PM OF COURSE, OUR ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.
7:54:49PM DROPPING A 16-STORY TOWER WITH 38 UNITS AND A SEPARATE
7:54:54PM GARAGE STRUCTURE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CORRIDOR IN A
7:54:59PM PROPERTY THAT'S PLANNED FOR UP TO 8 STORIES WILL UNDOUBTEDLY
7:55:03PM ADVERSELY IMPACT ALL OF US IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.
7:55:06PM I URGE YOU NOT TO DESTROY THE WONDERFUL CORRIDOR BY ALLOWING
7:55:09PM THIS PROJECT.
7:55:10PM THE LAST THING I WOULD LIKE TO BRIEFLY MENTION IS A LETTER
7:55:14PM WE RECEIVED THIS MORNING FROM THE DEVELOPER'S LAWYERS THAT
7:55:19PM JANE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED.
7:55:20PM THE LETTER THREATENS THAT IF WE, ALTURA, CONTINUES ARGUING
7:55:25PM THAT THIS PROJECT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE
7:55:28PM PLAN, THAT OUR BUILDING COULD BE SUBJECT TO DEMOLITION.
7:55:32PM THE LETTER CITES AND WE RECEIVED THIS THIS MORNING.
7:55:35PM THE LETTER CITES A LEGAL CASE THAT DOES NOT SUPPORT THEIR
7:55:39PM PROPOSITION AT ALL.
7:55:40PM IT'S CLEAR THIS LETTER WAS MEANT TO INTIMIDATE US FROM
7:55:45PM SPEAKING UP TONIGHT AND IN GENERAL AGAINST THIS PROJECT.
7:55:48PM THESE SORTS OF TACTICS SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED IN ANY WAY.
7:55:53PM NOBODY WANTS DEVELOPERS THAT USE THESE UNETHICAL PRACTICES
7:55:56PM IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND WE DON'T AND SHOULDN'T HAVE THEM
7:55:58PM IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
7:56:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
7:56:01PM WE'LL TAKE A QUICK FIVE-MINUTE RECESS.
7:56:03PM WE HAVE TWO MORE SPEAKERS, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A LONGER
7:56:07PM RECESS BECAUSE WE HAVE 48 MORE PEOPLE DOWN STAIRS.
7:56:12PM WE'RE IN RECESS.
7:56:12PM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
7:56:13PM [RECESS]
8:06:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY
8:06:34PM COUNCIL MEETING BACK TO ORDER.
8:06:35PM ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
8:06:36PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
8:06:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
8:06:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
8:06:39PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT.
8:06:40PM >> VIERA?
8:06:41PM MIRANDA?
8:06:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
8:06:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
8:06:44PM >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
8:06:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE TWO MORE SPEAKERS.
8:06:47PM THEN WE'LL TAKE A 15-MINUTE RECESS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET IN
8:06:51PM ANOTHER 48 PEOPLE, PEOPLE THAT HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN THAT ARE
8:06:55PM NOT PART OF THE LEGAL TEAM HERE, PLEASE STEP OUT OF THE
8:06:57PM ROOM.
8:06:58PM YOU CAN GO DOWN TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
8:07:02PM BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET THE OTHER PEOPLE UP HERE.
8:07:04PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE, COUNCIL MEMBERS,
8:07:09PM STAFF, THAT THE CHAMBER NEXT DOOR IS NOT SOUNDPROOF.
8:07:12PM SO IF YOU GO THERE TO SPEAK, PLEASE KEEP YOUR VOICES DOWN
8:07:15PM BECAUSE WE CAN STILL HEAR YOU AND THEN WE CAN'T HEAR THE
8:07:18PM SPEAKERS.
8:07:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JONATHAN MOORE IS OUR NEXT SPEAKER
8:07:24PM FOLLOWED BY CARROLL ANN BENNETT WHO HAS SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
8:07:27PM AFTER CARROLL ANN BENNETT, WE'LL DO THE 15-MINUTE RECESS TO
8:07:31PM BRING THE NEW FOLKS UP FROM DOWNSTAIRS.
8:07:33PM GOOD EVENING, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
8:07:34PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILMEN AND WOMEN.
8:07:36PM JONATHAN MOORE.
8:07:37PM 1501 WEST CLEVELAND, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
8:07:41PM THANKS FOR LISTENING TO ALL OF US TONIGHT.
8:07:44PM I'M PRESIDENT OF ENVISION ADVISORS, LOCAL OWNERS
8:07:48PM REPRESENTATIVE FIRM.
8:07:49PM I COME BEFORE YOU ON MANY REZONES.
8:07:51PM I RECEIVED APPROVALS.
8:07:53PM I'VE RECEIVED DISAPPROVALS.
8:07:54PM CITY STAFF DOES A GREAT JOB ANALYZING PROJECTS AND I THINK
8:07:58PM THEY HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB FINDING CONSISTENCIES IN
8:08:01PM RELATED'S REVISED PLANS.
8:08:03PM I FEEL THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS SMART DEVELOPMENT.
8:08:07PM GOOD FOR TAMPA AND RIGHT FOR THIS SITE.
8:08:10PM THERE'S LOTS OF TALK ABOUT FUTURE LAND USE, AND I DO BELIEVE
8:08:15PM THAT EVENTUALLY A HIGH-RISE WILL BE ON THIS SITE.
8:08:19PM GOD FORBID THIS PROJECT BE DENIED AND RODEPH FORCED TO MOVE
8:08:24PM IN A HIGHER DENSER PROJECT COME BEFORE YOU AND THE
8:08:27PM COMMUNITY.
8:08:27PM SO WE TALK A LOT ABOUT COMMUNITY SUPPORT, WORKING AROUND
8:08:32PM TREES, MONITORING DENSITY, SUSTAINABLE GROWTH.
8:08:35PM I BELIEVE THIS IS ALL OF THOSE.
8:08:37PM I WAS PRESENT FOR THE OTHER HEARINGS.
8:08:40PM I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT LISTENED TO WHAT STAFF SAID.
8:08:43PM THEY WENT BACK.
8:08:44PM THEY REDUCED THE DENSITIES.
8:08:46PM THEY MADE THE BUILDING SHORTER.
8:08:48PM THEY REALLY TRIED TO PRESERVE THE RELIGIOUS FACILITY USE AND
8:08:51PM THE MULTIFAMILY USE ON THE SAME SITE.
8:08:55PM IT'S AN INNOVATIVE USE OF PROPERTY.
8:08:57PM I THINK ONE THAT THE CITY SHOULD TAKE NOTE OF AND TRY AND
8:09:00PM FIND OTHER COMPLEMENTARY USES, OTHER SITES THAT COULD HAVE
8:09:04PM THESE TYPES OF COMPLEMENTARY USES.
8:09:06PM I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF CITY COUNCIL FOR TAKING THE TIME TO
8:09:10PM PROPERLY MANAGE AND APPROVE THESE TYPES OF REQUESTS.
8:09:13PM IT'S A REALLY LONG NIGHT, A HEAVY LIFT.
8:09:16PM I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU.
8:09:17PM I AM PROUD TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO
8:09:21PM THE SAME.
8:09:22PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
8:09:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
8:09:23PM CARROLL ANN BENNETT HAS A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
8:09:26PM MR. SHELBY WILL READ OFF THE NAMES.
8:09:57PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
8:09:58PM MARY DAVIS.
8:09:59PM CARLA KELLY.
8:10:01PM ELAINE.
8:10:03PM RANDY WESTBAY.
8:10:07PM MICHAEL FANNING.
8:10:08PM SEVEN NAMES FOR A TOTAL OF TEN PLEASE.
8:10:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
8:10:12PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
8:10:13PM >> MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
8:10:15PM I AM A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF SOUTH TAMPA.
8:10:17PM I'M GOING TO BOTTOM LINE THIS FOR YOU.
8:10:19PM THE REASON WE'RE HERE TODAY FOR THE FOURTH TIME IS BECAUSE
8:10:23PM THE APPLICANT FAILED TO GET A PLAN AMENDMENT.
8:10:26PM THAT IS THE WHOLE STORY.
8:10:28PM THEY ARE TRYING TO HIDE THEIR LACK OF A PLAN AMENDMENT
8:10:31PM BEHIND A PD.
8:10:32PM THE COMP PLAN AND CITY CODE PROHIBIT USING A PD TO
8:10:39PM CIRCUMVENT LAND USE.
8:10:40PM PDS ARE ONLY APPROPRIATE WHEN NO ZONING DISTRICT WILL WORK.
8:10:45PM I WILL SUMMARIZE MY CITATIONS TO SAVE TIME.
8:10:45PM LU POLICY 8.14.2 SAYS EACH LAND USE SHALL HAVE PERMITTED
8:10:53PM ZONING.
8:10:53PM ZONING NOT IN THE TABLE SHALL NOT BE APPLIED FOR NOR
8:10:57PM APPROVED.
8:10:58PM LU POLICY 8.14.3, PDs ARE NOT TO BE USED FOR THE SOLE
8:11:02PM PURPOSE OF WAIVING LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
8:11:04PM LU OBJECTIVE 2.1, REGULATE BUILDING INTENSITY TO THE LAND
8:11:08PM USE DESIGNATION.
8:11:09PM THE HIGHEST ZONING ALLOWED IN THIS LAND USE IS RM 24.
8:11:19PM SECTION 27-227, PD BUILDING HEIGHT SHALL BE DESIGNED USING
8:11:27PM TABLE 4.2 AS A GUIDELINE.
8:11:28PM THIS IS TABLE 4.2.
8:11:30PM AS THE PREVIOUS EXPERT PROVED, THE GUIDELINE SAYS THE
8:11:35PM TALLEST BUILDING ALLOWED IN THE SYNAGOGUE'S LAND USE IS 60
8:11:39PM FEET.
8:11:40PM SECTION 27-136, THE PURPOSE OF PDs IS TO RECOGNIZE UNIQUE
8:11:48PM CONDITIONS ALLOW DESIGN FLEXIBILITY AND PROMOTE STRUCTURES
8:11:51PM WHICH OTHER ZONING CANNOT ACCOMMODATE AND TO ALLOW A
8:11:54PM DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD NOT BE PROVIDED BY OTHER ZONING.
8:11:57PM YOU DON'T NEED A PD TO BUILD A 16 STORY, 190-FOOT BUILDING.
8:12:03PM RM 50 AND RM 75 ZONING ALLOWS THAT SIZE.
8:12:09PM THEIR PROBLEM IS THAT THOSE ZONES ARE NOT ALLOWED IN R 35
8:12:17PM LAND USE.
8:12:18PM THEY ARE ONLY ALLOWED IN LAND USE R 83.
8:12:23PM THEY APPLIED FOR A PLAN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THEIR LAND USE
8:12:25PM FROM R 35 TO R 83 BUT IT WASN'T APPROVED.
8:12:29PM THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOUND IT INCONSISTENT AND THE
8:12:33PM SYNAGOGUE AND THE RELATED GROUP WITHDREW THEIR REQUEST.
8:12:36PM THAT WAS THE FIRST MEETING.
8:12:37PM THE CITY UNDERSTANDS THAT SOMETIMES PEOPLE WANT TO INCREASE
8:12:40PM THEIR ENTITLEMENTS.
8:12:41PM THE CITY KNOWS INCREASING ENTITLEMENTS IS SOMETIMES GOOD AND
8:12:44PM SOMETIMES BAD.
8:12:44PM SO THEY HAVE A PROCEDURE TO DECIDE IF A REQUEST IS
8:12:48PM BENEFICIAL OR HARMFUL.
8:12:50PM THE SYNAGOGUE AND RELATED USED THAT PROCEDURE BUT THEY DID
8:12:53PM NOT SUCCEED.
8:12:56PM THEY FAILED TO CHANGE THE LAND USE FROM R 35 TO R 83, BUT
8:13:00PM THEY WON'T ACCEPT IT.
8:13:01PM THE SYNAGOGUE WON'T ACCEPT THAT THEY OWN MEDIUM DENSITY R 35
8:13:05PM PROPERTY AND THEIR PARKING LOT IS WORTH A LOT LESS THAN HIGH
8:13:09PM DENSITY R 83.
8:13:11PM THE RELATED GROUP WON'T ACCEPT THEY CAN ONLY BUILD MEDIUM
8:13:14PM DENSITY R 35 ON THIS PARKING LOT AND IF THEY WANT HIGH
8:13:17PM DENSITY R 83, LUXURY CONDOS THEY MUST BUY A DIFFERENT
8:13:21PM PROPERTY.
8:13:22PM WE ARE HERE FOR THE FOURTH TIME BECAUSE PEOPLE WON'T ACCEPT
8:13:25PM REALITY.
8:13:26PM I WISH I COULD SELL MY HOUSE FOR A BEACHFRONT PRICE, BUT I
8:13:30PM MUST ACCEPT THE REALITY THAT MY HOUSE IS NOT BEACHFRONT
8:13:33PM PROPERTY.
8:13:34PM THE SYNAGOGUE WOULD LOVE TO SELL THEIR PARKING LOT FOR A
8:13:37PM HIGH DENSITY PRICE, BUT THEY MUST ACCEPT THE REALITY THAT
8:13:40PM IT'S NOT HIGH DENSITY LAND, PRETENDING DOESN'T MAKE IT SO.
8:13:44PM THEIR LAWSUIT SAYS THEY LOST $7,285,000 IN VALUE.
8:13:48PM A REALITY CHECK SAYS YOU CAN'T LOSE WHAT YOU NEVER HAD.
8:13:52PM THEIR MEDIUM DENSITY LAND HAS NEVER BEEN WORTH THAT MUCH.
8:13:56PM THE LAWSUIT AMOUNTS TO THE SYNAGOGUE HOPING AND PRETENDING
8:13:59PM THEY CAN GET A HIGH DENSITY PRICE.
8:14:01PM THEY ARE ATTEMPTING A SLEIGHT OF HAND MAGIC TRICK BY ASKING
8:14:06PM FOR A PD WHICH HAS NO HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS TO DISTRACT FROM
8:14:11PM THEIR LACK OF A PLAN AMENDMENT.
8:14:12PM THEIR STRATEGY IS TO PRESENT THEIR HIGH DENSITY DREAM AND
8:14:15PM ASK FOR TWICE THE HEIGHT OF THEIR MEDIUM DENSITY REALITY.
8:14:19PM BY THE WAY, STAFF SPECIFICALLY SAID IN AN E-MAIL THAT THEY
8:14:23PM DO NOT DETERMINE IF HEIGHT IS CONSISTENT IN A PD.
8:14:26PM THEY ONLY DETERMINE IF THE DENSITY IS CONSISTENT.
8:14:28PM THE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ALLOW 190-FOOT BUILDINGS ARE NOT
8:14:35PM ALLOWED IN R 35.
8:14:36PM R 35 IS INTENDED TO HAVE 60-FOOT MAXIMUM HEIGHT.
8:14:39PM R 35 IS INTENDED TO HAVE UP TO 8 STORIES.
8:14:42PM THAT'S WHY THERE IS NOTHING BIGGER THAN 8 STORIES ON ANY R
8:14:46PM 35 PROPERTY IN THE ENTIRE SOUTH TAMPA DISTRICT.
8:14:49PM IF YOU APPROVE THIS ENORMOUS COMPROMISE YOU ARE CHANGING
8:14:54PM WHAT CAN BE BUILT IN R 35 THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
8:14:57PM IF THAT'S WHAT YOU REALLY WANT TO DO, THEN YOU NEED TO MAKE
8:15:00PM THAT CHANGE PROPERLY.
8:15:01PM YOU NEED TO AMEND R 35 AND VOTE THE COMP PLAN AND THE
8:15:05PM DEVELOPMENT CODE.
8:15:07PM THE RELATED GROUP SAYS THEY CAN'T MAKE A PROFIT BUILDING 42
8:15:11PM UNITS IN AN EIGHT STORY BUILDING.
8:15:12PM IN OTHER WORDS THEY CAN'T MAKE A PROFIT BUILDING A MEDIUM
8:15:15PM DENSITY PROJECT.
8:15:16PM WELL, OF COURSE, THEY CAN'T.
8:15:17PM THAT'S BECAUSE THEY ARE BUYING THE LAND AT A HIGH DENSITY
8:15:20PM PRICE.
8:15:21PM EVERYBODY NEEDS A REALITY CHECK.
8:15:23PM THIS LAND IS NOT R 50.
8:15:25PM IT'S NOT R 83.
8:15:27PM IT IS R 35, JUST LIKE MY HOUSE IS NOT BEACHFRONT.
8:15:31PM WISHES DON'T CHANGE LAND USE.
8:15:33PM PLAN AMENDMENTS DO.
8:15:34PM IN REALITY, WHAT THEY LOST WAS ONLY THE HOPE THAT THEY WOULD
8:15:38PM GET A WINDFALL THROUGH A VERY VALUABLE PLAN AMENDMENT, BUT
8:15:42PM YOU DON'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU HOPE FOR AND YOU AREN'T
8:15:47PM AWARDED SETTLEMENT MONEY FOR YOUR HOPES.
8:15:49PM THIS SO-CALLED COMPROMISE IS A JOKE.
8:15:51PM IF MY TEENAGER ASKED FOR $500 TO GO OUT WITH HIS FRIENDS, I
8:15:55PM WOULD LAUGH IN HIS FACE.
8:15:56PM IF HE CAME BACK WITH A COMPROMISE SAYING HE ONLY NEEDS $250,
8:16:00PM I'M NOT GOING TO SAY, WOW, YOU REALLY GAVE UP A LOT, YOU
8:16:03PM TRIED HARD TO WORK WITH ME AND LOWER YOUR NEEDS, HERE'S 250
8:16:06PM BUCKS, NICE TRY, BUT I'M NOT A FOOL.
8:16:10PM ASKING FOR THE MOON AND THE STARS IS JUST A TACTIC TO MAKE
8:16:13PM THEM LOOK REASONABLE WHEN THEY TURN AROUND AND ASK ONLY FOR
8:16:15PM THE MOON.
8:16:16PM MAKE NO MISTAKE THIS COMPROMISE IS ASKING FOR THE MOON.
8:16:19PM IT'S ASKING FOR TWICE THE R 35 HEIGHT.
8:16:22PM IF YOU REWARD THAT STRATEGY, I GUARANTEE YOU'LL BE FLOODED
8:16:25PM WITH OUTRAGEOUS DEMANDS LIKE THIS ONE AND YOU'LL NEED TO PUT
8:16:30PM A COT IN YOUR OFFICES.
8:16:32PM I HAVE GIVEN YOU RELATED'S OWN EVIDENCE OF COMPARABLE
8:16:41PM BUILDINGS BUT THEY ARE NOT COMPARABLE.
8:16:42PM THEY ALL HAVE A HIGHER LAND USE.
8:16:43PM NOT EVEN ONE OF THEM IS R 35.
8:16:47PM IN FACT, THE ONLY R 35 ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD IS BAYSHORE
8:16:52PM TRACE APARTMENTS.
8:16:53PM THOSE APARTMENTS ARE ONLY THREE STORIES HIGH.
8:16:55PM IF RELATED BUILDS THE 8 STORIES THEY ARE ALLOWED, THEY WILL
8:16:58PM STILL BE BUILDING THE TALLEST R 35 BUILDING IN THE SOUTH
8:17:02PM TAMPA DISTRICT.
8:17:03PM THE COMP PLAN REPEATEDLY SAYS CHARACTER OF A NEIGHBORHOOD IS
8:17:07PM THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
8:17:09PM STAFF REPORT SAYS THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IS 14
8:17:12PM UNITS PER ACRE IN R 35.
8:17:14PM THIS PROJECT IS 26 UNITS PER ACRE.
8:17:17PM THE STAFF REPORT ALSO SAYS THAT EVEN IN THE NEARBY R 83, THE
8:17:21PM EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IS ONLY 16 UNITS PER ACRE.
8:17:25PM THIS COMMUNITY IS TELLING YOU THAT THEY WILL ACCEPT DOUBLE
8:17:27PM THE NORMAL DENSITY IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE BURDEN OF DOUBLE
8:17:31PM THE HEIGHT TOO.
8:17:33PM ZONING AND LAND USE MATRIX ON PAGE 114 OF THE COMP PLAN SAYS
8:17:37PM LAND USE IS AN UMBRELLA AND UNDERNEATH THAT UMBRELLA ARE THE
8:17:39PM COMPATIBLE ZONINGS.
8:17:41PM FOR EXAMPLE, THE LAND USE MATRIX SHOWS THAT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL
8:17:44PM ZONING IS NOT PERMITTED IN R-10.
8:17:46PM THEY MUST FIRST CHANGE THE LAND USE TO A CATEGORY THAT WOULD
8:17:49PM PERMIT IT THROUGH A PLAN AMENDMENT.
8:17:51PM IF THE PLAN AMENDMENT IS SUCCESSFUL, THEN THEY CAN APPLY FOR
8:17:54PM A REZONING TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
8:17:58PM THEIR REQUEST FOR A PLAN AMENDMENT WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL.
8:18:00PM IT ALSO SAYS WHILE MOST PLAN CATEGORIES PERMIT THE
8:18:04PM CONSIDERATION OF PDs, THE ZONING WILL SERVE AS GUIDELINES
8:18:07PM FOR SUCH PROJECTS.
8:18:08PM THE ZONING GUIDELINE FOR R 35 IS 60 FEET.
8:18:12PM LU POLICY 9.8.3, MODERATE DENSITY ALLOWS FOR MULTIFAMILY
8:18:16PM WALK-UP APARTMENTS.
8:18:17PM THESE BUILDINGS SHOULD BE DESIGNED WITH HEIGHT LIMITS THAT
8:18:19PM PROMOTE A STRONG RELATIONSHIP WITH THE GROUND LEVEL.
8:18:22PM THERE'S NO WAY THEY ARE BUILDING 16 STORY WALK-UPS.
8:18:25PM I'LL WAGER THIS BUILDING HAS ELEVATORS.
8:18:28PM OUR CITY CODE'S DEFINITION OF COMPATIBILITY SAYS ELEMENTS
8:18:31PM AFFECTING COMPATIBILITY INCLUDE HEIGHT, SCALE, MASS, AND
8:18:34PM BULK OF STRUCTURES.
8:18:35PM THE HEIGHT, SCALE, MASS AND BULK OF THIS PROJECT IS NOT
8:18:39PM COMPATIBLE WITH R 35 OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
8:18:41PM THE CURRENT LANDOWNER'S FINANCIAL HOPES AND DREAMS ARE NOT
8:18:46PM COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
8:18:48PM THEY ARE IRRELEVANT TO THIS HEARING AND YOU CANNOT LEGALLY
8:18:54PM CONSIDER THEM.
8:18:54PM THIS PD IS LIKE PLAYING A CARD GAME WHEN THE JOKERS ARE WILD
8:18:59PM BUT THEY WANT AN ENTIRE HAND OF JOKERS.
8:19:01PM ASKING FOR MORE THAN YOU ARE ENTITLED TO IS NOT A
8:19:06PM COMPROMISE.
8:19:06PM ASKING FOR TOO MUCH IS NOT A COMPROMISE.
8:19:08PM ENOUGH WITH THE PDs, ENOUGH WITH INCREASING DENSITY IN THE
8:19:13PM CHHA.
8:19:14PM I SAY AGAIN THE REASON WE ARE HERE FOR THE FOURTH TIME IS
8:19:16PM BECAUSE THE APPLICANT FAILED TO GET A PLAN AMENDMENT.
8:19:20PM THAT'S THE WHOLE STORY.
8:19:21PM GROW TAMPA RESPONSIBLY.
8:19:23PM JUST SAY NO TO STUPID GROWTH.
8:19:25PM THANK YOU.
8:19:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
8:19:27PM WE'RE IN RECESS FOR 15 MINUTES. IF YOU HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN,
8:19:31PM IF YOU WOULD PLEASE GO OUT TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
8:19:34PM WE HAVE MONITORS AND AUDIO DOWN THERE.
8:19:37PM YOU CAN CONTINUE WATCHING THE HEARING.
8:19:39PM WE'LL BRING IN ABOUT 48 MORE SPEAKERS.
8:19:42PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: BEFORE YOU GO TO RECESS, IF YOU DO HAVE A
8:19:44PM NUMBER STILL IN YOUR POSSESSION, PLEASE PUT IT IN THE BASKET
8:19:49PM AT THE LECTERN.
8:19:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
8:19:50PM WE'RE IN RECESS FOR 15 MINUTES.
8:19:52PM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
8:19:53PM [RECESS]
8:48:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE TAMPA CITY
8:48:35PM COUNCIL BACK TO ORDER.
8:48:36PM ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
8:48:37PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
8:48:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
8:48:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
8:48:41PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT.
8:48:45PM >> VIERA?
8:48:45PM MIRANDA?
8:48:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
8:48:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
8:48:47PM >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
8:48:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, EVERYONE WHO IS
8:48:51PM GOING TO SPEAK IS IN THIS ROOM.
8:48:53PM WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO TAKE ANY MORE RECESSES.
8:48:57PM IF YOU ARE NOT SWORN IN AND PLAN TO SPEAK THIS EVENING,
8:48:59PM PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND WE'LL SWEAR YOU
8:49:02PM IN.
8:49:02PM IF YOU PLAN TO SPEAK, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT
8:49:05PM HAND.
8:49:10PM [OATH ADMINISTERED]
8:49:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY.
8:49:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
8:49:19PM IF YOU DO HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM, PLEASE DO BRING IT UP
8:49:24PM AND HAND IT TO ME AND I WILL CALL THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE ON
8:49:27PM THE LIST.
8:49:28PM THEY HAVE TO BE IN THE ROOM.
8:49:29PM IF YOU WILL ACKNOWLEDGE WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, THAT WAY YOU
8:49:32PM WILL GIVE UP YOUR THREE MINUTES AND GIVE AN EXTRA MINUTE TO
8:49:35PM THE SPEAKER.
8:49:36PM ALSO, IF YOU HAVE A NUMBER THAT YOU RECEIVED IN ORDER TO
8:49:40PM SPEAK, THERE IS A BASKET UP AT THE LECTERN, PLEASE PLACE
8:49:44PM THAT IN THE BASKET WHEN YOU GET UP THERE.
8:49:46PM THANK YOU.
8:49:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
8:49:47PM OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS DAVID RICE FOLLOWED BY ANDRES
8:49:52PM KORNWORCEL AND JOEL SIMON.
8:49:55PM DAVID RICE.
8:49:56PM PLEASE COME UP.
8:49:57PM YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM, I BELIEVE.
8:49:59PM PLEASE HAND IT TO THE ATTORNEY.
8:50:10PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ONE NAME.
8:50:12PM ANASTASIA.
8:50:14PM ONE ADDITIONAL MINUTE FOR A TOTAL OF FOUR.
8:50:16PM THANK YOU.
8:50:17PM >> THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
8:50:20PM IT DOESN'T GO UNNOTICED HOW MUCH TIME YOU PUT INTO ALL THIS.
8:50:23PM IT'S GREATLY APPRECIATED.
8:50:24PM MY NAME IS DAVID RICE.
8:50:27PM I AM A RESIDENT OF ALTURA.
8:50:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
8:50:30PM >> THANK YOU.
8:50:31PM TO HALT THE DECLINE OF AN ECOSYSTEM, IT'S NECESSARY FOR US
8:50:35PM TO THINK LIKE AN ECOSYSTEM.
8:50:38PM ICONIC BAYSHORE BOULEVARD, LIKE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS AN
8:50:41PM ECOSYSTEM, THE GREATER TAMPA BAY AREA IS AN ECOSYSTEM, WHICH
8:50:48PM THOSE THAT DEVELOPED IT UNDERSTOOD WHEN THEY BUILT A
8:50:52PM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR TAMPA.
8:50:53PM IT'S WHY THEY CREATED IT.
8:50:54PM IT'S WHY IT EXISTS.
8:50:56PM AND IT'S WHY IT PRIORITIZES SEVERAL THINGS.
8:50:59PM FIRST OF WHICH THE PRESERVATION OF HISTORICAL RESOURCES IN
8:51:02PM PLACES LIKE THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB.
8:51:05PM IT'S THE MAINTAINING OF OUR CITY'S CHARACTER.
8:51:08PM WE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE SPEAKING TODAY ABOUT COMINGLING
8:51:12PM RESIDENCES OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND TOWN HOUSES AND CONDO
8:51:16PM LIVING.
8:51:16PM IT'S WHY WHEN IT COMES TO GROWTH IT PRIORITIZES SUSTAINABLE
8:51:21PM GROWTH, NOT GROWTH JUST FOR THE SAKE OF GROWTH.
8:51:24PM NOT GROWTH FOR THE SAKE OF DOLLARS AND CENTS AT THE EXPENSE
8:51:27PM AND COMPROMISE OF THE OTHER TENANTS.
8:51:30PM SO EIGHT YEARS AGO, MY MUCH BETTER HALF, ANASTASIA AND I
8:51:35PM MOVED TO DOWNTOWN ST. PETE.
8:51:37PM AND FOR THE FIRST SEVERAL YEARS WE LIVED THERE, WE
8:51:40PM ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT.
8:51:41PM IT WAS AN INCREDIBLE PLACE TO BE.
8:51:43PM BUT AT SOME POINT IN THAT THREE YEARS COMPROMISE CAME TO THE
8:51:48PM ECOSYSTEM AND BUILDING EN MASSE HAPPENED AND IT ENTIRELY
8:51:55PM CHANGED THE LANDSCAPE OF DOWNTOWN ST. PETE.
8:51:56PM I'LL TELL YOU WE WENT ON TO RESEARCH TAMPA AND TAMPA'S PLAN
8:52:03PM BEFORE WE CAME TO MOVE HERE, AND I WOULD CHALLENGE ALL OF
8:52:06PM YOU, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO DOWNTOWN ST. PETE IN THE RECENT
8:52:10PM PAST TO MAKE A TRIP.
8:52:12PM GET OUT OF YOUR CAR.
8:52:13PM IF YOU'VE GOT KIDS, BRING YOUR KIDS, WALK THEM AROUND AND
8:52:17PM ASK THE RESIDENTS TO STILL REMAIN THERE IF THEY ARE AS HAPPY
8:52:21PM TODAY AS THEY WERE FIVE YEARS AGO, SIX YEARS AGO, SEVEN
8:52:24PM YEARS AGO.
8:52:24PM I PROMISE YOU ON YOUR WAY BACK OVER ANY ONE OF THE BRIDGES
8:52:27PM TO GET BACK TO TAMPA WHAT YOU'LL FIND IS YOU'LL HAVE A WHOLE
8:52:31PM LOT MORE GRATITUDE FOR WHERE WE ALL RESIDE HERE BECAUSE OF
8:52:34PM THE PLAN WE BUILT, BECAUSE OF THE ECOSYSTEM THAT WE
8:52:39PM PRESENTLY HAVE.
8:52:40PM WHEN WE COMPROMISE THAT ECOSYSTEM, WHEN WE DEVELOP WHERE
8:52:45PM THIS PROPOSAL BEGS US TO GO TO BE DEVELOPED, TAKING R 35
8:52:50PM PROPERTY AND TURNING IT INTO SOMETHING IT WAS NEVER INTENDED
8:52:52PM TO BE, THERE'S NO GOING BACK.
8:52:55PM THERE'S NO UNDOING THAT BUILD.
8:52:58PM THERE'S NO CHANGING THE LANDSCAPE THAT WE HAVE CHOSEN TO
8:53:03PM CREATE.
8:53:03PM SO IF YOU FAST-FORWARD TO ANASTASIA AND I COMING HERE AND
8:53:08PM OUR LOVE OF TAMPA AND LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT'S BEING
8:53:11PM PROPOSED, EVERY CHANGE WE POTENTIALLY MAKE BRINGS RISK AND
8:53:16PM THAT RISK IS SIGNIFICANT, ESPECIALLY FOR A HIGH-RISE OF THIS
8:53:20PM NATURE AND SCALE WITHOUT REITERATING EVERYTHING EVERYBODY
8:53:25PM HAS SPOKEN ABOUT EARLIER.
8:53:26PM IT'S GOING TO DAMAGE OUR ECOSYSTEM.
8:53:28PM SO I REALLY WON'T REHASH WHAT EVERYBODY SAID.
8:53:31PM YOU HEARD THEM.
8:53:31PM I KNOW YOUR TIME IS VERY VALUABLE.
8:53:34PM I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IN THE WORDS OF SEVERAL OF THE
8:53:37PM PROPONENTS FOR THIS PROCESS EARLIER SPOKE, TO NOT LOOK AT
8:53:40PM THIS IN A VACUUM.
8:53:42PM TO NOT LOOK AT THIS AS A SINGLE BUILDING.
8:53:45PM IT'S A PART OF A COMMUNITY.
8:53:46PM PART OF AN ECOSYSTEM.
8:53:48PM I LOVE, LOVE THE T-SHIRTS THAT SO MANY ARE WEARING TONIGHT.
8:53:52PM I LOVE THAT MESSAGE, PRESERVING, HONORING THE PAST BY
8:53:55PM PRESERVING THE FUTURE.
8:53:56PM THAT HOLDS TRUE FOR ALL OF US AS A COMMUNITY AND AN
8:53:59PM ECOSYSTEM, NOT ONE GROUP.
8:54:01PM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
8:54:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
8:54:03PM NEXT UP IS ANDRES KORNWORCEL.
8:54:08PM IF YOU HAVE A NUMBER, PLEASE DROP IT IN THE BASKET.
8:54:11PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
8:54:13PM >> GOOD EVENING.
8:54:14PM MY NAME IS ANDRES KORNWORCEL.
8:54:16PM I AM THE RABBI OF CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM.
8:54:19PM LET ME START -- HOW GREAT AND GOOD IT IS FOR BROTHERS AND
8:54:28PM SISTERS TO BE TOGETHER EVEN WHEN WE DON'T AGREE ON
8:54:31PM EVERYTHING.
8:54:32PM I'M HERE TO EXPRESS OUR CONGREGATION'S STRONG SUPPORT FOR
8:54:34PM THE PROPOSED PROJECT ON OUR PROPERTY.
8:54:37PM THIS PROJECT IS NOT JUST ABOUT A BUILDING.
8:54:40PM IT'S ABOUT ENSURING THE FUTURE OF OUR SYNAGOGUE, A
8:54:44PM CORNERSTONE OF OUR COMMUNITY FOR DECADES.
8:54:48PM THE REVENUE IT WILL GENERATE IS ESSENTIAL TO SUSTAIN OUR
8:54:51PM PROGRAMS, SUPPORT OUR FACILITY AND CONTINUE PROVIDING A
8:54:56PM SPACE WHERE PEOPLE OF ALL AGES COME TOGETHER TO CELEBRATE,
8:54:59PM TO LEARN, AND FIND SPIRITUAL CONNECTION.
8:55:03PM VITAL ROLE IN THE COMMUNITY NOT JUST FOR OUR MEMBERS BUT FOR
8:55:09PM THE CITY AS A WHOLE.
8:55:10PM WE HOST FOOD DRIVES, INTERFAITH PROGRAMS, AND EDUCATIONAL
8:55:16PM EVENTS.
8:55:17PM WE ARE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE, LIFE'S MOST IMPORTANT
8:55:23PM MILESTONES, WEDDINGS, BAR MITZVAH, AND MOMENTS OF COMFORT IN
8:55:27PM TIMES OF LOSS.
8:55:28PM THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN CAREFULLY PLANNED TO BLEND SEAMLESSLY
8:55:33PM INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
8:55:34PM IT'S A SOLUTION THAT ALLOWS US TO CONTINUE SERVING OUR
8:55:38PM COMMUNITY WHILE RESPECTING THE SHARED VALUES OF THIS CITY.
8:55:42PM YOUR SUPPORT ENSURES NOT JUST THE SURVIVAL OF OUR SYNAGOGUE,
8:55:46PM BUT ALSO THE THRIVING OF A SPACE THAT EMBODIES THE FREEDOM
8:55:50PM OF RELIGION AND COMMUNITY SPIRIT WE ALL CHERISH.
8:55:54PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
8:55:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
8:55:56PM JOEL SIMON.
8:55:58PM BERTRAM BAKER, PAMELA CARPENTER.
8:56:01PM JOEL SIMON IS NEXT.
8:56:03PM HELLO, SIR.
8:56:04PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
8:56:08PM >> I'M RABBI JOEL SIMON.
8:56:10PM I AM THE SENIOR RABBI OF CONGREGATION SCHAARAI ZEDEK,
8:56:16PM 130-YEAR-OLD CONGREGATION WITH ALMOST 1300 FAMILY MEMBERS.
8:56:21PM EVERY OTHER TIME I'VE BEEN SPEAKING HERE, IT'S BEEN GIVING
8:56:24PM THE INVOCATION WHERE I DIDN'T HAVE TO WAIT AS LONG TO SPEAK.
8:56:28PM BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR GIVING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY
8:56:30PM TO SPEAK TONIGHT IN SUPPORT OF CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM
8:56:36PM AND THEIR PROPOSED PROJECT.
8:56:37PM RODEPH SHALOM IS OUR YOUNGER SISTER CONGREGATION IN A WAY.
8:56:42PM I THINK THAT WE AT 130 ARE NINE YEARS OLDER, BUT RODEPH
8:56:46PM SHALOM WAS FOUNDED BECAUSE EVEN 121 YEARS AGO, IT WAS
8:56:51PM IMPORTANT THAT THERE BE BOTH A REFORM AND CONSERVATIVE
8:56:54PM SYNAGOGUE IN OUR SOUTH TAMPA COMMUNITY.
8:56:57PM AND 121 YEARS LATER, THAT NEED HAS ONLY GROWN.
8:57:01PM SO I'M HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF OUR CONGREGATION'S
8:57:05PM LEADERSHIP TO SHARE HOW VITAL WE BELIEVE IT IS THAT RODEPH
8:57:08PM SHALOM REMAIN A STRONG JEWISH PRESENCE IN SOUTH TAMPA AT THE
8:57:14PM BAYSHORE LOCATION ON WHICH THEY HAVE RESIDED FOR ALMOST SIX
8:57:18PM YEARS.
8:57:18PM IT'S A PRESENCE THAT IS IMPORTANT TO TAMPA'S ENTIRE JEWISH
8:57:22PM COMMUNITY, AND WE HOPE THAT CITY COUNCIL WILL APPROVE THIS
8:57:25PM PLAN THAT WILL ALLOW RODEPH SHALOM TO DO SO FOR GENERATIONS
8:57:29PM TO COME.
8:57:29PM THANK YOU.
8:57:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, RABBI.
8:57:32PM BERTRAM BAKER.
8:57:38PM GOOD EVENING, SIR.
8:57:41PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
8:57:42PM >> BERTRAM BAKER.
8:57:45PM I'M IN A UNIQUE SITUATION IN THAT I REPRESENT BOTH THE
8:57:51PM CONGREGATION AND I ALSO LIVE IN THE APARTMENT BUILDING
8:57:54PM ACROSS THE ROAD.
8:57:55PM FIRST OF ALL, I MUST COMMEND THE COUNCIL FOR SITTING HERE
8:58:01PM DAY AFTER DAY, NIGHT AFTER NIGHT AND LISTEN TO ALL OF THESE
8:58:07PM ARGUMENTS, SO MANY OF THEM THAT YOU'VE HEARD TIME AND TIME
8:58:11PM AGAIN.
8:58:11PM I ONLY SAT HERE FOR TEN HOURS THE FIRST TIME AND I'VE HEARD
8:58:15PM THEM ALL.
8:58:16PM THERE'S NOTHING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR TONIGHT THAT YOU
8:58:19PM HAVEN'T HEARD BEFORE AS PART OF THE ARGUMENT.
8:58:21PM ONE THING I NEED TO TELL YOU, SOME THREE AND A HALF YEARS
8:58:27PM AGO WHEN THE BOARD GOT TOGETHER AND REALIZED THE SITUATION
8:58:31PM THAT THE CONGREGATION WAS IN, WORD GOT OUT AND THE AMOUNT OF
8:58:37PM MONEY THAT WAS BEING OFFERED FOR THAT PROPERTY, IT WOULD
8:58:41PM HAVE BEEN THE EASIEST THING IN THE WORLD FOR THE
8:58:44PM CONGREGATION TO TAKE THAT MONEY AND RUN AND SOLVE ALL OF
8:58:49PM YOUR PROBLEMS, PETTY AS THEY ARE.
8:58:51PM THANK YOU.
8:58:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
8:58:54PM PAMELA CARPENTER.
8:58:55PM VANCE SMITH.
8:58:57PM DENNIS LEVINE.
8:58:58PM YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
8:59:06PM >> PAMELA CARPENTER.
8:59:08PM AND I HAVE COPIES.
8:59:09PM MAKE SURE YOU START IT FROM THE TOP.
8:59:23PM MR. SHELBY.
8:59:27PM YES, MA'AM.
8:59:33PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
8:59:34PM >> PAMELA CARPENTER.
8:59:35PM ESSENCE OF THE TIME AS OTHER SPEAKERS HAVE SAID, I'LL
8:59:39PM ELIMINATE A COUPLE OF SLIDES, BUT I MADE COPIES FOR YOU ALL
8:59:43PM BECAUSE IT IS REDUNDANT INFORMATION.
8:59:44PM I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT 24 YEARS IN CROWDER MANOR WHICH IS
8:59:49PM RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.
8:59:51PM THIS IS THE THIRD TIME THAT I'VE MADE A PRESENTATION.
8:59:55PM NEW INFORMATION.
8:59:56PM YES, WE HAD SOME STORMS AND, YES, THE STREETS DID FLOOD.
9:00:00PM THAT WAS ALWAYS A QUESTION.
9:00:02PM WE KNEW WE WERE IN A FLOOD ZONE BUT WAS IT REALLY GOING TO
9:00:06PM FLOOD AND IT DID.
9:00:08PM THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT LOOKING TOWARDS BAY TO
9:00:09PM BAY.
9:00:11PM WHEN YOU TURN AROUND, YOU SEE THE HISTORIC HOMES.
9:00:13PM THE ONE THAT I HAVE A PICTURE OF ON THE RIGHT IS 104 YEARS
9:00:16PM OLD.
9:00:17PM LOST ALL ITS TREES IN THE LAST STORM.
9:00:20PM THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME SPEAKERS FOLLOWING ME FROM THE
9:00:23PM PRESBYTERIAN TOWER THAT WILL ALSO SPEAK THEIR OWN STORY
9:00:29PM ABOUT WALKABILITY.
9:00:31PM ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HAD IS THAT THE CONSTRUCTION
9:00:34PM ZONE COULD ELIMINATE THE ABILITY TO EVEN WALK ON YSABELLA
9:00:40PM SAFELY.
9:00:40PM I'LL ADDRESS TRAFFIC IN A MINUTE.
9:00:42PM JAKE GAVE A PRESENTATION EARLIER ABOUT AN ADDITIONAL
9:00:46PM SIDEWALK THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
9:00:51PM AS I UNDERSTAND IT, COUNCIL CAN MAKE SOME ADDITIONS TO THAT
9:00:54PM IF THEY SO CHOOSE.
9:00:56PM SO A SIDEWALK WOULD BE APPRECIATED IN AN AREA THAT DOESN'T
9:01:02PM HAVE ONE RIGHT NOW.
9:01:03PM A NEW NUMBER.
9:01:07PM I REALIZE THAT WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE PARCEL, BUT
9:01:11PM OVER THE YEARS, STARTING FROM THE DEVELOPMENT OF BAY OAKS
9:01:16PM AND THE RITZ, I STARTED KEEPING TRACK OF THE TOWERS AND THE
9:01:20PM NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL RESIDENCES.
9:01:22PM THE NUMBER IS NOW 204.
9:01:26PM OCCUPANCY ALTURA HAS HAPPENED SINCE WE WERE HERE LAST TIME
9:01:29PM AND EVEN SOME OF THE RITZ PROPERTY.
9:01:31PM THERE WILL BE 204 ADDITIONAL RESIDENCES IF YOU JUST GO FROM
9:01:35PM SANTIAGO TO RUBIDEAUX.
9:01:40PM THERE'S NEVER BEEN A MOBILITY STUDY, NOT EVEN A TRAFFIC
9:01:43PM STUDY.
9:01:44PM MY REQUEST TO COUNCIL IS THAT YOU LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD
9:01:46PM AND REALIZE THAT 204 RESIDENCES IS GOING TO BE I DON'T KNOW
9:01:51PM HOW MANY MORE VEHICLES.
9:01:52PM THAT'S NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE ONES THAT CUT THROUGH THE
9:01:55PM NEIGHBORHOOD ALL THE TIME.
9:01:56PM WE REALLY DO NEED TO HAVE A MOBILITY STUDY.
9:02:01PM I DIDN'T PLAN THIS BUT A WEEK AGO FRIDAY, BAD ACCIDENT RIGHT
9:02:04PM AT BAY TO BAY AND YSABELLA.
9:02:06PM THREE TIMES I PUT IN SERVICE REQUESTS TO HAVE A NO LEFT TURN
9:02:09PM OR AT LEAST DON'T BLOCK THE INTERSECTION.
9:02:11PM I THINK IT'S OVERDUE AND I HOPE THAT WILL HAPPEN.
9:02:16PM THE LAST THING I'D LIKE TO MENTION IS THAT, YES, THERE WOULD
9:02:25PM HAVE TO BE A TRANSPORTATION STUDY IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO PUT
9:02:27PM IN CROSSWALKS AND SIDEWALKS.
9:02:30PM I'M HOPING THAT YOU WOULD APPROVE THAT.
9:02:32PM IN CONCLUSION, DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO SEE BOTH THE GARDEN
9:02:37PM CLUB AND SYNAGOGUE STAY AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE A MOBILITY
9:02:40PM STUDY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
9:02:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
9:02:43PM VANCE SMITH.
9:02:45PM DENNIS LEVINE.
9:02:47PM MIKE MECKLEY.
9:02:48PM ALL THREE HAVE SPEAKER WAIVER FORMS.
9:02:50PM MR. SMITH, IF YOU WOULD GIVE YOUR SPEAKER WAIVER FORM TO THE
9:03:06PM ATTORNEY AND HE'LL READ THE NAMES.
9:03:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: TWO NAMES.
9:03:21PM CARLA WASH.
9:03:24PM CAROL GIKEN.
9:03:31PM TOTAL OF FIVE MINUTES.
9:03:32PM >> MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, MY NAME IS
9:03:35PM VANCE SMITH.
9:03:36PM I LIVE AT 3501 BAYSHORE BOULEVARD HERE IN TAMPA.
9:03:41PM I'M A TAMPA NATIVE.
9:03:42PM I'VE ENJOYED BAYSHORE FOR MY ENTIRE LIFE.
9:03:46PM IT IS THE ONE LAST SPOT WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN UTILIZE
9:03:49PM BAYSHORE WITHOUT IMPEDING THE PRIVACY RIGHTS OF OTHER
9:03:53PM RESIDENTS ON BAYSHORE.
9:03:54PM THIS PROJECT, UNFORTUNATELY, WAS ILL-CONCEIVED FROM THE
9:04:00PM MOMENT IT FIRST AROSE.
9:04:05PM THE NEED TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE OF A TAMPA
9:04:10PM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS IMMEDIATELY RECOGNIZED AND THE
9:04:14PM PROJECT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND
9:04:18PM REJECTED SOUNDLY.
9:04:21PM IT WAS THEN REVISED TO MEET THE FLORIDA LAND USE PLAN R-35
9:04:26PM AND REJECTED SOUNDLY TWICE BY THIS COMMISSION BECAUSE OF ITS
9:04:31PM IMPROPER COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
9:04:34PM TODAY, WE HAVE AN ITERATION WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY AND
9:04:40PM SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME AS THE VERY FIRST OPPORTUNITY FOR
9:04:46PM THIS PROJECT.
9:04:48PM THIS IS THE FIRST ITERATION, AND YOU CAN SEE THE MAIN
9:04:55PM BUILDING IS HERE.
9:04:57PM OFF TO THE RIGHT IS THE SYNAGOGUE PROPERTY.
9:05:01PM AND TODAY WE'RE LOOKING AT ESSENTIALLY AND SUBSTANTIALLY THE
9:05:05PM EXACT SAME PROJECT.
9:05:08PM UNFORTUNATELY, THE VISIONS THAT WERE DONE BY THE APPLICANT,
9:05:14PM RELATED AND THE CONGREGATION, ARE SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET UP IN
9:05:18PM THE AIR.
9:05:19PM THE REVISIONS THAT WERE MADE WERE THE PUBLIC AND THE
9:05:24PM RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY ARE IMPACTED ARE AT THE GROUND
9:05:28PM LEVEL, AND THEY ARE SOMEWHAT NO DIFFERENT.
9:05:31PM SOMEONE EARLIER TODAY MENTIONED LIPSTICK ON A PIG AND THAT
9:05:35PM IS VERY ANALOGOUS TO WHAT WAS DONE HERE.
9:05:37PM A FEW TREES WERE ADDED, A COUPLE OF SIDEWALKS REMOVED OR
9:05:42PM INCREASED, BUT THERE WAS NOTHING DONE TO CHANGE THE SIZE OF
9:05:46PM THIS BUILDING.
9:05:47PM THE BOTTOM LINE OF THIS IS THAT THE SIZE, THE SCALE, THE
9:05:52PM HEIGHT, AND THE MASSING OF THE FIRST SEVERAL STORIES ARE
9:05:56PM GOING TO IMPACT THE RESIDENTS AND THE PUBLIC'S USE OF THE
9:06:00PM ONLY GREENSPACE LEFT ON BAYSHORE.
9:06:03PM THE R 35 DESIGNATION SUGGESTS 8 STORIES AS THE IDEAL MAXIMUM
9:06:14PM HEIGHT.
9:06:15PM PERHAPS IT'S NOT MANDATORY, BUT FOR CERTAIN, IT IS NOT AN
9:06:19PM ENTITLEMENT THAT ANY DEVELOPER CAN COME ALONG AND SAY, WELL,
9:06:23PM IT'S R 35, WE CAN BUILD 8 STORIES BUT WE CAN BUILD WHATEVER
9:06:28PM ELSE WE WANT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SAY YOU CAN'T.
9:06:30PM THAT'S JUST NOT THE WAY TO LOOK AT A RECOMMENDED PROPOSAL,
9:06:37PM RECOMMENDED ACTIVITY BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHO SPENT A
9:06:43PM GREAT DEAL OF TIME DEVELOPING PARCELS OF LAND.
9:06:45PM THIS PROJECT DOES NOT PROMOTE THE EFFICIENT USE THAT THE
9:06:50PM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROJECTED.
9:06:54PM THE ENVIRONMENT IS DIFFERENT.
9:06:56PM THE GEOGRAPHY IS DIFFERENT.
9:06:58PM AND THE USE THAT IS BEING MADE OF THIS PROPERTY IS DIFFERENT
9:07:02PM THAN ANY OTHER RS SITUATION.
9:07:06PM MOVING ALONG, THE COMP PLAN AND THE VISION MAP SAY SOUTH
9:07:13PM TAMPA SHOULD NOT BE DISTURBED FROM ITS CURRENT USE.
9:07:17PM IT IS A LEVEL ONE.
9:07:19PM IT'S DEVELOPED AND IT'S IN ITS FINAL STAGES OF ENJOYMENT.
9:07:25PM THERE'S NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN THE ESTABLISHMENT AND
9:07:28PM GREENSPACE, PUBLIC USE ON BAYSHORE.
9:07:31PM IT SHOULD REMAIN THE SAME.
9:07:33PM NOW, THE APPLICANT HAS REDUCED AND PRESENTED TO YOU A 38
9:07:39PM UNIT BUILDING AND 16 STORIES.
9:07:42PM WE'VE DISCUSSED THE 16 STORIES AS BEING OUT OF CHARACTER.
9:07:47PM 38 UNITS ALSO VIOLATES THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE
9:07:52PM THERE SHOULD BE NO INCREASE IN DENSITY ALONG THE COASTAL
9:07:56PM HIGH HAZARD MARK.
9:07:57PM THIS PROJECT IS IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND IT'S
9:08:02PM 100% INCREASE IN DENSITY BECAUSE THERE IS NO DENSITY AT THE
9:08:10PM SCHOOL LEVEL.
9:08:11PM THERE ARE NO RESIDENTS.
9:08:12PM BUT PUT 38 NEW FAMILIES.
9:08:14PM LASTLY, I THINK THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO INVITE THE CITY
9:08:18PM COUNCIL TO TAKE OVER THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S
9:08:22PM RECOMMENDATIONS AND TO -- THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS IN FAVOR OF
9:08:27PM CREATING SOME OTHER RS CLASSIFICATION FOR THIS PROPERTY
9:08:32PM ALONE.
9:08:33PM YOU SHOULD DENY THAT INVITATION.
9:08:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
9:08:35PM DENNIS LEVINE.
9:08:39PM MIKE MECKLEY.
9:08:40PM ADRIAN VAN HEYST.
9:08:44PM MR. LEVINE, YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM AND THE ATTORNEY
9:08:48PM WILL READ THE NAMES.
9:08:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
9:09:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THEY ARE SINGLE COPIES.
9:09:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOT NINE COPIES, BUT NINE LETTERS.
9:09:14PM FRANCINE LEVINE.
9:09:24PM L. MEYERS.
9:09:28PM GOLDENBERG HERE?
9:09:32PM >> NO.
9:09:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND HIME GOLDENBERG.
9:09:38PM >> NO.
9:09:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SALLY D.?
9:09:40PM THANK YOU.
9:09:42PM STUART DONNER.
9:09:43PM ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR NAMES FOR A TOTAL OF SEVEN MINUTES.
9:09:51PM >> THANK YOU.
9:09:52PM GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
9:09:54PM I GREW UP IN SOUTH TAMPA.
9:09:56PM I'M A LIFELONG MEMBER OF CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM.
9:09:59PM I REMEMBER AS A KID THERE WERE ONLY THREE GASPARILLA KREWES.
9:10:04PM AT THE PARADE WE SCRAMBLED TO PICK UP SHELLS FROM PIRATE
9:10:09PM BLANK GUNS.
9:10:11PM NOBODY THREW BEADS AND NO CONDOS ON BAYSHORE.
9:10:14PM THAT WAS 1965.
9:10:16PM BUT NOW IT IS 2025, 60 YEARS LATER, WOW, TAMPA IS A
9:10:22PM COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLACE.
9:10:23PM THAT IS A GREAT THING FOR ALL OF US.
9:10:26PM TAMPA HAS GROWN INCREDIBLY AND THAT GROWTH WILL NOT STOP
9:10:29PM BECAUSE THE SECRET IS OUT.
9:10:31PM TAMPA IS THE GREATEST PLACE IN THE WORLD.
9:10:33PM THAT'S WHAT I TELL PEOPLE.
9:10:34PM HOW DOES THE CITY MANAGE THAT GROWTH?
9:10:36PM THERE ARE ALWAYS COMPLAINTS AND NOBODY LIKES THE INCREASE IN
9:10:40PM TRAFFIC, OVERALL I BELIEVE THE CITY HAS DONE A GOOD JOB.
9:10:44PM NOW THE CITY FACES A CHOICE REGARDING THE RODEPH SHALOM
9:10:47PM PROPERTY ON BAYSHORE.
9:10:48PM WE BELIEVE THE PROJECT NOW BEFORE CITY COUNCIL IS MEASURED
9:10:51PM AND REASONABLE USE OF THE PROPERTY.
9:10:56PM AS CLENDENIN WARNED AT THE LAST HEARING, OPPONENTS OF THE
9:10:59PM PROJECT MAY RUE THE DAY IF IT IS TURNED DOWN BY THE CITY
9:11:03PM COUNCIL BECAUSE I CAN PROMISE YOU IF TAMPA'S HISTORY IS ANY
9:11:08PM INDICATION, THE SYNAGOGUE IS FORCED TO SELL THE PROPERTY,
9:11:11PM ALL THE PROPERTY, A MUCH LARGER PROJECT ON THIS PROPERTY
9:11:16PM WILL BE APPROVED BY A MORE DEVELOPMENT FRIENDLY CITY
9:11:19PM COUNCIL.
9:11:19PM THE OPPONENTS OF THE PROJECT PRESENT ONLY CONJECTURE
9:11:22PM REGARDING ANY NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THEIR PROPERTY BUT LET'S
9:11:25PM LOOK AT THE FACTS.
9:11:26PM PRESBYTERIAN TOWERS, VERY TALL, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
9:11:29PM TWO VERY LARGE CONDOMINIUM BUILDINGS ARE LOCATED JUST NORTH
9:11:33PM OF THE GARDEN CLUB, INCLUDING ONE, THE SANCTUARY BUILT IN
9:11:37PM THE LAST TWO YEARS ALMOST NEXT TO THE GARDEN CLUB.
9:11:39PM THESE TWO ADJACENT PROPERTIES HAVE NOT BROUGHT THE DIRE
9:11:43PM IMPACTS IN THE AREA THAT THE OPPONENTS RAISE NOW.
9:11:47PM ALSO, THE GARDEN CLUB IS A VERY LARGE PROPERTY WITH A LOT OF
9:11:52PM TREES.
9:11:53PM THERE ALREADY IS A SIGNIFICANT BUFFER BETWEEN THEIR PROPERTY
9:11:55PM AND RODEPH SHALOM.
9:11:56PM OF COURSE, FRED BALL PARK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE GARDEN
9:12:00PM CLUB.
9:12:01PM THIS IS A PICTURE I TOOK TODAY LOOKING AT THE GARDEN CLUB
9:12:11PM AND THE TWO CONDOMINIUM BUILDINGS I MENTIONED JUST TO THE
9:12:14PM NORTH AND ALL THE TREES.
9:12:21PM THIS IS A PICTURE FROM THE FRONT OF THE GARDEN CLUB LOOKING
9:12:23PM TOWARD BAY TO BAY.
9:12:25PM YOU CAN SEE I THINK THERE'S FIVE OR SIX CONDOMINIUM
9:12:29PM BUILDINGS.
9:12:32PM FINALLY, WHAT I'M GOING TO TELL THE CITY COUNCIL IS FORGET
9:12:36PM WHAT YOU HEAR, TRUST WHAT YOU SEE.
9:12:39PM AND WHAT I SEE WHEN I WALK OUT ON BAYSHORE IS THIS.
9:12:43PM THIS IS TAMPA.
9:12:44PM THIS IS THE NEW TAMPA.
9:12:46PM THIS IS WHAT TAMPA IS.
9:12:48PM I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT TAMPA TO
9:12:52PM CHANGE.
9:12:52PM I LIKED EATING AT THE COLONNADE AS I'M SURE ALL OF YOU DID,
9:12:56PM BUT THAT WAS THEN.
9:12:59PM NOW, I STEPPED IT OFF TODAY.
9:13:01PM I WENT OVER TO THE PROPERTIES.
9:13:04PM IT'S 80 STEPS FROM THE GARDEN CLUB BUILDING GOING ACROSS
9:13:07PM FRED BALL PARK TO THE SANCTUARY CONDOMINIUM.
9:13:10PM 80 STEPS.
9:13:11PM IT'S 60 STEPS FROM THE GARDEN CLUB BUILDING TO THE RODEPH
9:13:14PM SHALOM PARKING PROPERTY LINE.
9:13:17PM WOULD NOT INCLUDE BUFFERS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT GOING TO
9:13:19PM BUILD NEXT TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
9:13:21PM ONE OTHER THING THAT NO ONE HAS MENTIONED IS THAT PART OF
9:13:25PM THIS PROJECT IS THAT THE PRESCHOOL IS AT THE SYNAGOGUE IS
9:13:29PM GOING TO BE TORN DOWN.
9:13:30PM THAT'S REGRETTABLE BUT IT'S ALSO GOING TO REDUCE
9:13:34PM SIGNIFICANTLY THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S IN THIS
9:13:36PM NEIGHBORHOOD AND NO ONE HAS MENTIONED THAT.
9:13:38PM I WAS SCOFFED AT LAST TIME I SAID THIS BEFORE CITY COUNCIL
9:13:43PM BUT I'LL SAY IT AGAIN.
9:13:44PM NOBODY ACTUALLY LIVES AT THE GARDEN CLUB.
9:13:47PM THE GARDEN CLUB IS A CLUB.
9:13:49PM THERE'S NO RESIDENCE THERE.
9:13:51PM IT'S NOT LIKE YOU ARE THE NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR AND THIS IS
9:13:53PM GOING TO ADVERSELY AFFECT YOUR HOME.
9:13:57PM THAT'S NOT WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
9:13:58PM AND THAT'S IMPORTANT.
9:14:01PM NOW, THE ALTURA CONDOMINIUM OPPOSING THIS PROJECT, IT'S
9:14:06PM REALLY KIND OF IRONIC THAT THEY ARE HERE.
9:14:07PM THEY BUILT THIS GIANT BUILDING.
9:14:10PM THEY MESSED UP THE TRAFFIC AT BAY TO BAY AND YSABELLA AND
9:14:17PM NOW THEY ARE SAYING WE DON'T WANT MORE CONDOMINIUMS BECAUSE
9:14:21PM WE DON'T WANT WORSE TRAFFIC.
9:14:22PM THE REALITY IS THEY DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO BLOCK THEIR VIEW.
9:14:26PM THAT'S THE REALITY.
9:14:26PM HERE ARE FACTS THAT I BELIEVE REPRESENT EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT
9:14:30PM THE APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT.
9:14:32PM FIRST, THE CITY STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND SUPPORTS
9:14:36PM THE PROJECT.
9:14:37PM SECOND, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING ZONING OF THE
9:14:40PM PROPERTY.
9:14:40PM THIRD, THE PROJECT WILL SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASE THE CITY'S
9:14:43PM TAX BASE.
9:14:46PM FOURTH, MOST IMPORTANT, I THINK, THE PROJECT IS CONSISTENT
9:14:49PM WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING ON BAYSHORE.
9:14:52PM THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES IS NOT
9:14:54PM SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
9:14:55PM IT'S NOT.
9:14:57PM BELIEVE WHAT YOUR EYES TELL YOU.
9:14:59PM ALL THE ADJOINING NEARBY PROPERTIES ARE EITHER CONDOMINIUMS
9:15:02PM OR TOWN HOUSES.
9:15:03PM MAYBE THERE'S ONE OR TWO SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES BUT THAT'S NOT
9:15:06PM WHAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS.
9:15:08PM IT'S NOT WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.
9:15:10PM THERE ARE NOW I BELIEVE EIGHT COMMITMENTS WITHIN A QUARTER
9:15:17PM MILE OF THIS PROPERTY.
9:15:24PM SOMEBODY EARLIER MENTIONED ABOUT ACCEPTING REALITY.
9:15:26PM THE REALITY IS WHAT YOU SEE.
9:15:28PM THIS PARCEL IS SURROUNDED BY CONDOMINIUMS.
9:15:33PM TAMPA IS MOVING FORWARD IN THE 21st CENTURY.
9:15:35PM THIS PROJECT IS A MEASURED DEVELOPMENT THAT'S CONSISTENT
9:15:37PM WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.
9:15:39PM TRUST WHAT YOUR EYES TELL YOU.
9:15:42PM THERE'S SIGNIFICANT BUFFERING BETWEEN THE GARDEN CLUB AND
9:15:44PM RODEPH SHALOM.
9:15:45PM THIS IS TAMPA'S FUTURE.
9:15:47PM BASED ON THESE FACTS, I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO VOTE YES ON
9:15:50PM THIS PROJECT.
9:15:51PM THANK YOU.
9:15:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:15:52PM OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MIKE MECKLEY FOLLOWED BY ADRIAN VAN
9:15:55PM HEYST AND SYDELLE VOGEL.
9:15:59PM MIKE MECKLEY HAS A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
9:16:02PM PLEASE GIVE IT TO THE ATTORNEY AND HE WILL READ OFF THE
9:16:05PM NAMES.
9:16:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
9:16:06PM THREE NAMES.
9:16:09PM KATHY PROVADO.
9:16:16PM ALTURA.
9:16:17PM CHARLOTTE HILLEN.
9:16:18PM TOTAL OF SIX MINUTES PLEASE.
9:16:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
9:16:24PM >> MICHAEL MECKLEY.
9:16:25PM MY HOUSE WHICH I LIVED AT FOR 36 YEARS IS A SHORT WALK TO
9:16:28PM BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
9:16:30PM GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
9:16:32PM I WILL APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE FOR REPEATING THINGS I'VE SAID
9:16:35PM DURING THE PREVIOUS TWO HEARINGS.
9:16:38PM BUT THE FACT IS THE THINGS I WILL REPEAT ARE EQUALLY
9:16:41PM APPLICABLE TO THE REVISED PROPOSAL.
9:16:43PM ONE QUICK WORD, THE WORD PRECEDENT HAS BEEN THROWN AROUND A
9:16:48PM LOT.
9:16:49PM IF I FORGOT TO BUY MY WIFE SOMETHING FOR VALENTINE'S DAY, I
9:16:53PM COULD SET A PRECEDENT.
9:16:55PM BUT I THINK WE'D ALL AGREE THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT
9:17:00PM IS A GOOD OR PROPER THING.
9:17:03PM THIS APPLICATION INVOLVES A SIMPLE ISSUE.
9:17:06PM EVERYONE HAS TALKED ABOUT IT.
9:17:07PM THE HEIGHT AND SCALE OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING AND HOW IT
9:17:10PM COLLIDES WITH THE LAST LARGE CONTIGUOUS GREENSPACE LEFT ON
9:17:14PM BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
9:17:15PM THIS POCKET IS UNIQUE AND SHOULD NOT BE LUMPED IN WITH THE
9:17:19PM OTHER SECTIONS OF BAYSHORE.
9:17:20PM WHEN EVALUATING THIS APPLICATION AND THE HEIGHT AND SCALE OF
9:17:22PM THE BUILDING, I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING.
9:17:25PM WHEN REFERENCING BAYSHORE BOULEVARD, THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE
9:17:29PM PLAN INDICATES THE BALANCE OF PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, THE
9:17:32PM PUBLIC REALM AND THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT ALONG BAYSHORE
9:17:34PM BOULEVARD IS LIKE NO OTHER THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
9:17:39PM OBJECTIVE 20.4 REQUIRES THE CITY TO CONTINUE TO PRESERVE AND
9:17:43PM ENHANCE THE BALANCE OF THE NATURAL AND PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENTS
9:17:46PM ALONG BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
9:17:48PM DON'T BE TRICKED INTO THINKING THIS REQUEST AND ITS
9:17:53PM COMPATIBILITY IS SIMILAR TO THE OTHER PRIOR APPLICATIONS
9:17:58PM ALONG BAYSHORE.
9:18:00PM IT IS NOT.
9:18:02PM OF ANYTHING ALONG BAYSHORE BOULEVARD THIS POCKET FROM BAY TO
9:18:04PM BAY ON THE SOUTH, FRED BALL PARK ON THE NORTH BETWEEN
9:18:07PM YSABELLA AND BAYSHORE BEST EMBODIES WHAT THE TAMPA
9:18:12PM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TRIES TO ARTICULATE.
9:18:15PM I DON'T THINK ANYTHING BETTER REFLECTS THE HARMONIOUS
9:18:19PM BALANCE THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR.
9:18:21PM EXPANSIVE GREENSPACE, LOW-RISE BUILDINGS, INCLUDING THE
9:18:24PM ICONIC SYNAGOGUE, THE ICONIC TAMPA GARDEN CLUB SURROUNDED BY
9:18:29PM AN OLD CITY NEIGHBORHOOD WITH LOW-RISE BUILDINGS AND, OF
9:18:31PM COURSE, FRED BALL PARK WITH ITS NATURAL SPRING ON THE NORTH
9:18:35PM SIDE.
9:18:36PM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS NO DEFINITION OF SURROUNDING AREA
9:18:39PM OR NEIGHBORHOOD.
9:18:40PM SO THE APPLICANT USES A LARGE AREA WHILE THOSE IN OPPOSITION
9:18:45PM USE A NARROW LENS.
9:18:46PM MY POINT HERE IS SINCE THERE'S NO DEFINITION, COUNCIL HAS
9:18:51PM THE LATITUDE TO DETERMINE THIS DEFINITION ON A CASE-BY-CASE
9:18:54PM BASIS BASED ON THE FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES AT HAND.
9:18:59PM MOVING ON TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, YES, THE BUILDING IS
9:19:01PM SHORTER.
9:19:02PM YOU'VE HEARD THIS FROM MANY, BUT NOWHERE CLOSE TO THE HEIGHT
9:19:05PM THAT SHOULD MATERIALLY CHANGE HOW THIS TOPIC IMPACTS YOUR
9:19:08PM ASSESSMENT.
9:19:08PM IN THE CONTEXT OF HEIGHT AND SCALE, THIS APPLICATION SHOULD
9:19:11PM BE VIEWED THE SAME AS THE PRIOR APPLICATIONS.
9:19:14PM THEY WANT YOU TO FOCUS ON THE OPTICS OF A SHORTER BUILDING
9:19:17PM WHEN YOU SHOULD ONCE AGAIN BE FOCUSED ON THE ENORMOUS SIZE
9:19:21PM AND SCALE RELATIVE TO THE R 35 ZONING, THE PARCEL SIZE AND
9:19:25PM THE SURROUNDING AREA.
9:19:26PM THE PROJECT IS SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME AS THE LAST TIME WE
9:19:30PM WERE HERE IN FEBRUARY 2024 WHEN COUNCIL VOTED AGAINST THE
9:19:34PM APPLICATION 5-2.
9:19:35PM THE APPLICATION PRIOR TO THAT BACK IN MAY OF 2023, WHICH WAS
9:19:39PM DENIED 6-0.
9:19:41PM AS IT WAS WITH THE MAY 2023 AND FEBRUARY 2024 APPLICATION,
9:19:46PM THE REASON THE SCALE AND SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS SO -- IS
9:19:50PM NOT COMPLICATED.
9:19:51PM IT IS BECAUSE THE UNITS AVERAGE OVER 5,000 SQUARE FEET.
9:19:54PM WE DEFINITELY NEED MORE HOUSING IN TAMPA, BUT WE NEED
9:19:57PM WORKFORCE HOUSING.
9:19:57PM THIS ISN'T WHAT IS GOOD FOR TAMPA.
9:20:00PM IT'S WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE APPLICANT AND 38 PEOPLE.
9:20:06PM LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN, 38 PEOPLE.
9:20:09PM IT'S NOT ABOUT THE COMMUNITY.
9:20:10PM THE FINAL IMPORTANT POINT IS THE APPLICANT HAS CONTINUED TO
9:20:13PM IGNORE THE INPUT OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS IN THE
9:20:16PM COMMUNITY AS IT RELATES TO HEIGHT AND SCALE OF THE
9:20:18PM DEVELOPMENT.
9:20:19PM DON'T CONFUSE A REDUCTION OF HEIGHT BY THEM WITH THE SIZE
9:20:22PM AND SCALE BEING ACCEPTABLE TO THE NEIGHBORS AND THE
9:20:24PM COMMUNITY.
9:20:25PM THIS CONTINUES TO BE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT OBJECTION AS YOU
9:20:29PM HEARD TONIGHT OVER AND OVER.
9:20:32PM IT WAS TOTALLY DISMISSED IN THE NAME OF PROFIT.
9:20:34PM THE APPLICANT WANTS TO YOU BELIEVE THERE IS A PRODUCTIVE
9:20:37PM TWO-WAY DIALOGUE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS IN THE
9:20:40PM COMMUNITY REGARDING SIZE AND SCALE BUT THAT NEVER HAPPENED.
9:20:44PM THE BURDEN IS ON THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE COMPETENT
9:20:46PM SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT AMONG OTHER THINGS, THE PROPOSED
9:20:49PM DEVELOPMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN,
9:20:52PM CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY CODE, COMPATIBLE WITH THE
9:20:54PM SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND OVERALL SITE, DESIGN AND SCALE,
9:20:57PM PROVIDES AN APPROPRIATE TRANSITION IN THE SURROUNDING
9:21:00PM NEIGHBORHOOD, IS CONSISTENT IN CHARACTER WITH THE
9:21:01PM SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND DOES NOT SUBSTANTIALLY
9:21:03PM INTERFERE WITH OR INJURE THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS.
9:21:06PM THE APPLICANT HAS ONCE AGAIN FAILED TO PROVIDE COMPETENT
9:21:10PM SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE RELATED TO ANY OF THESE ITEMS.
9:21:13PM I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THE MOTION YOU APPROVED 6-0 IN MAY
9:21:16PM OF 2023 AND THE MOTION YOU APPROVED 5-2 IN FEBRUARY OF 2024
9:21:22PM INCLUDED SPECIFIC LANGUAGE RELATED TO ALL THE SAME ITEMS.
9:21:25PM THE MATERIAL FACTS TODAY ARE EXACTLY THE SAME.
9:21:28PM A REDUCTION IN HEIGHT TO 215 FEET AND SOME ADDITIONAL
9:21:33PM LANDSCAPING CHANGES NOTHING RELATIVE TO THESE CRITICALLY
9:21:37PM IMPORTANT ISSUES.
9:21:38PM LASTLY, AND THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP BEFORE TOO.
9:21:42PM I WANT TO POINT OUT THE CITY STAFF FOUND THE MAY 2023
9:21:46PM APPLICATION CONSISTENT WHEN YOU DENIED THE APPLICATION 6-0.
9:21:51PM THE CITY STAFF AGAIN IN FEBRUARY 2024 FOUND IT CONSISTENT
9:21:56PM WHEN YOU DENIED THE APPLICATION 5-2.
9:21:59PM SO TO GO AGAINST THE CITY STAFF AGAIN TODAY WOULD AGAIN YOU
9:22:06PM WOULD BE BEING CONSISTENT WITH BOTH YOUR MAY 2023 VOTE AS
9:22:09PM WELL AS YOUR FEBRUARY 2024 VOTE.
9:22:13PM PLEASE PRESERVE THE AREA AND REPRESENT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY
9:22:17PM BY DENYING THIS APPLICATION.
9:22:19PM THANK YOU.
9:22:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
9:22:21PM OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ADRIAN VAN HEYST, SYDELLE VOGEL.
9:22:26PM MELODY ESSER.
9:22:27PM GOOD EVENING, SIR.
9:22:36PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:22:38PM >> MY NAME IS ADRIAN VAN HEYST.
9:22:41PM ESTEEMED CITY COUNCIL, I REPRESENT OVER 200 SENIOR RESIDENTS
9:22:50PM THAT LIVE AT THE BAYSHORE PRESBYTERIAN APARTMENTS DIRECTLY
9:22:55PM ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED
9:22:58PM HIGH-RISE.
9:22:59PM OUR AGES RANGE FROM 62 TO 103 WITH THE MEDIAN AGE BEING
9:23:08PM BETWEEN 75 AND 80.
9:23:11PM NOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE ARE BETWEEN 75 AND
9:23:15PM 80, BUT I'M THERE, AND I LIVE AT THAT RESIDENCE.
9:23:21PM AND THIS IS A SPECIAL COMMUNITY.
9:23:23PM I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS IS A SPECIAL COMMUNITY.
9:23:27PM WE HAVE CONDITIONS AND NEEDS THAT GO ALONG WITH OUR AGE THAT
9:23:33PM ARE DIFFERENT THAN MANY PEOPLE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.
9:23:37PM ONE OF THE PRIMARY NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY, OUR 200 RESIDENTS
9:23:43PM IS ACCESSIBILITY.
9:23:45PM WE NEED INGRESS.
9:23:46PM WE NEED EGRESS FROM JULY 1st, 2024, UNTIL JANUARY 16 OF
9:23:55PM THIS YEAR, THERE WERE 38 TAMPA FIRE AND RESCUE RESPONSES TO
9:24:03PM OUR BUILDING.
9:24:04PM THAT MEANS NOT JUST 38 FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME, BUT MULTIPLY
9:24:10PM THAT BY ALL THE NUMBER OF YEARS IT TAKES TO DO THE
9:24:14PM CONSTRUCTION OF THIS BUILDING AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT OVER 200
9:24:19PM EMERGENCY RESPONSES.
9:24:22PM THESE DO NOT INCLUDE SOME OF THE OTHER AMBULANCE RESPONSES
9:24:29PM THAT WE HAVE FROM TIME TO TIME.
9:24:31PM SO MORE THAN ONCE A WEEK WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE, YOU
9:24:37PM MIGHT SAY, TO OUR FACILITY.
9:24:41PM AND SO IT IS THAT I CAN TELL YOU THAT SPEED IS OF THE
9:24:47PM ESSENCE WHEN IT COMES TO HAVING EMERGENCY CARE.
9:24:51PM I AM THE SURVIVOR OF AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE BECAUSE I HAD A
9:24:59PM SEVERE STROKE.
9:25:01PM AND IF IT WASN'T FOR THE FACT OF EMERGENCY CARE BEING THERE
9:25:04PM VERY QUICKLY, I WOULD NOT BE HERE TALKING TO YOU TODAY.
9:25:09PM AND SO I'M ASKING YOU, CONSIDER THE NEEDS OF OUR 200
9:25:16PM RESIDENTS.
9:25:17PM THEY ARE SPECIAL RESIDENTS.
9:25:18PM I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY SAY THAT BEFORE TONIGHT.
9:25:22PM BUT THERE'S 200 PEOPLE THERE, AND THAT WILL BE 200 FOR AS
9:25:28PM LONG AS THE BUILDING WHERE I RESIDE WILL BE WILL HAVE
9:25:32PM SPECIAL NEEDS.
9:25:33PM WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER BUILDING THERE.
9:25:36PM WE NEED WALKABILITY.
9:25:38PM WE NEED GOOD, EASY ACCESS AND EGRESS.
9:25:43PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:25:44PM AND I HOPE YOU DO NOT APPROVE THIS REQUEST.
9:25:47PM THANK YOU.
9:25:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SYDELLE VOGEL.
9:25:49PM MELODY ESSER.
9:25:50PM MARK GESNER.
9:25:52PM YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:26:11PM GO AHEAD.
9:26:11PM >> MY NAME IS SYDELLE VOGEL.
9:26:14PM I, TOO, LIVE AT THE BAYSHORE PRESBYTERIAN APARTMENTS, NOT
9:26:19PM TOWER.
9:26:20PM IT IS NOT A TOWER.
9:26:21PM WE HAVE PROBLEMS WALKING AROUND THAT AREA.
9:26:26PM THE CITY HAS TO FIX THE STREET.
9:26:29PM THEY PROMISE THEY ARE GOING TO DO THE POTHOLES.
9:26:34PM THEY RENEGE ON THAT OR THEY COME AROUND WHENEVER.
9:26:38PM WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM.
9:26:39PM IF WE DON'T WATCH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE DON'T TAKE CARE OF
9:26:46PM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF DEAD
9:26:48PM PEOPLE, UNFORTUNATELY.
9:26:50PM I MADE THAT STATEMENT LAST YEAR AT THIS MEETING.
9:26:54PM AND IT IS THE TRUTH.
9:26:56PM WE HAVE LOST PEOPLE IN OUR BUILDING.
9:26:59PM NOT TOO MANY PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED OUR BUILDING AT ALL.
9:27:03PM EVERYBODY IS A LAWYER AND EVERYBODY IS A PROFESSIONAL.
9:27:08PM I AM TOO.
9:27:09PM I'M A NURSE.
9:27:10PM I CARE FOR PEOPLE.
9:27:11PM I CARE FOR ALL MY PEOPLE IN MY BUILDING.
9:27:14PM BUT YOU HAVE TO REALIZE WHEN YOU STICK ANOTHER BUILDING IN
9:27:19PM THAT AREA, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE CARS SPEEDING OUT.
9:27:23PM THEY ARE NOT GOING TO WATCH OUR OLDER PEOPLE.
9:27:26PM THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT OLDER PEOPLE.
9:27:28PM THEY WANT TO GO WHERE THEY WANT TO GO.
9:27:31PM WE JUST HAD A PARADE.
9:27:32PM 300,000 OR ABOUT PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE.
9:27:37PM YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN THE TRAFFIC.
9:27:39PM NOW, YOU BUILD ANOTHER BUILDING IN THAT AREA, I DON'T KNOW,
9:27:44PM LIKE I SAID, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF DEAD PEOPLE
9:27:47PM BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WARRANT THAT.
9:27:50PM TAMPA HAS GROWN, YES.
9:27:52PM I'VE BEEN HERE 60 YEARS.
9:27:54PM MY CHILDREN HAVE GROWN UP AND OUT, BUT THEY GOT MARRIED AT
9:28:00PM RODEPH SHALOM.
9:28:01PM THEY GOT BAR MITZVAHED AT RODEPH SHALOM.
9:28:09PM NEXT DOOR.
9:28:09PM EVERYTHING WAS FINE.
9:28:10PM NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A BUILDING FOR THE FOURTH TIME.
9:28:13PM HOW MANY MORE TIMES ARE WE GOING TO COME BACK TO DOING THE
9:28:15PM SAME THING ALL OVER AGAIN?
9:28:18PM I REALLY DON'T APPRECIATE THAT AND NEITHER DO THE PEOPLE IN
9:28:21PM THE BUILDING.
9:28:22PM MOST OF THE PEOPLE DO NOT WANT THIS BUILDING.
9:28:25PM THANK YOU AND HAVE A GOOD EVENING.
9:28:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:28:28PM MELODY ESSER.
9:28:30PM MARK GESNER, JOHN RANON.
9:28:39PM COME ON UP.
9:28:43PM YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:29:02PM >> MELODY ESSER.
9:29:04PM I AM ANOTHER RESIDENT OF BAYSHORE PRESBYTERIAN APARTMENTS.
9:29:13PM AND WHEN I HEARD THAT THIS WAS COMING BACK FOR ANOTHER VOTE
9:29:18PM BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL, IT SCARED ME A LOT CONSIDERING THE
9:29:27PM HURRICANE HELENE WE JUST HAD AND THE FLOODING AT THE
9:29:32PM SYNAGOGUE AS WELL AS ALL ALONG BAYSHORE.
9:29:37PM WHERE I LIVE IS A BLOCK OFF OF BAYSHORE.
9:29:41PM SO I'M RECESSED FROM THE WATER.
9:29:46PM BUT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AND EVACUATING, WHICH I HAVE
9:30:02PM TO DO EVERY TIME THERE IS A HURRICANE BECAUSE WE'RE IN A
9:30:09PM FLOOD ZONE ONE.
9:30:12PM I GET EVACUATED EVERY TIME.
9:30:15PM YOU ADD BUILDINGS.
9:30:18PM YOU ADD PEOPLE.
9:30:19PM YOU ADD TRAFFIC.
9:30:21PM YOU ADD ACCIDENTS.
9:30:25PM YOU ADD TOO MANY THINGS GOING ON WHEN EMERGENCIES ARE
9:30:33PM HAPPENING AS THEY DO IN A HURRICANE OR A STORM, WHICH WE'RE
9:30:37PM HAVING MORE OF EVERY YEAR.
9:30:42PM I JUST ALSO WANTED TO SAY LAST FEBRUARY 28, I WAS SENT IN AN
9:30:52PM AMBULANCE TO THE HOSPITAL AND MY HEART STOPPED TWICE.
9:30:57PM I UNDERSTOOD FROM MY SISTER WHO IS A NURSE PRACTITIONER THAT
9:31:02PM IF I HADN'T GOTTEN TO THE HOSPITAL IN TIME THAT I WOULD HAVE
9:31:07PM DIED BECAUSE AMBULANCES AREN'T REALLY MEANT TO KEEP YOU
9:31:13PM ALIVE.
9:31:14PM THEY ARE GOING TO TRY, BUT THEY CAN'T DO WHAT A HOSPITAL
9:31:18PM CAN.
9:31:18PM I GOT TO THAT HOSPITAL IN TIME.
9:31:21PM I GOT THAT PACEMAKER WHICH I FORGOT ALL ABOUT COMING INTO
9:31:27PM THIS ROOM.
9:31:28PM ANYWAY, MY LIFE IS HERE.
9:31:35PM I DON'T WANT TO LOSE IT AGAIN IF WE BUILD ANOTHER BUILDING
9:31:41PM THAT I CAN'T ESCAPE FROM.
9:31:42PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:31:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
9:31:45PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:31:46PM MARK GESNER, JOHN RANON, ELLEN WEISS.
9:31:54PM >> GOOD EVENING.
9:32:06PM I'M MARK GESNER.
9:32:07PM I SERVE DURING THE DAY AS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE
9:32:14PM TAMPA JCCs.
9:32:15PM I'M HERE THIS EVENING REALLY IN MY PERSONAL CAPACITY AS
9:32:18PM SOMEBODY WHO CARES ABOUT THE JEWISH COMMUNITY AND WANTS TO
9:32:21PM SAY A FEW WORDS.
9:32:22PM SO APPRECIATE ALL THE EFFORT THAT THE CITY ZONING STAFF HAS
9:32:27PM PUT INTO WORKING WITH THE CONGREGATION ON A PROJECT THAT
9:32:30PM WILL ENSURE RODEPH SHALOM WILL BE A CORNERSTONE AND A HOME
9:32:34PM FOR THE JEWISH COMMUNITY FOR TAMPA FOR YEARS TO COME.
9:32:37PM RODEPH SHALOM IS THE ONLY CONSERVATIVE JEWISH CONGREGATION
9:32:41PM IN SOUTH TAMPA.
9:32:44PM WE ALL HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN ENSURING THE LONG-TERM
9:32:48PM HEALTH AND ITS SUSTAINABILITY.
9:32:51PM SYNAGOGUES AND CHURCHES NATIONWIDE ARE STRUGGLING TO KEEP
9:32:54PM THEIR DOORS OPEN BECAUSE OF CHANGING LIFESTYLES AND
9:32:57PM DEMOGRAPHICS.
9:32:58PM RODEPH SHALOM IS FORTUNATE TO HAVE A STABLE AND DEDICATED
9:33:02PM MEMBERSHIP AND FORTUNATE TO HAVE FOUND A SUSTAINABLE PATH
9:33:05PM FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT.
9:33:06PM IF THE GOAL OF THIS COUNCIL IS A WORLD-CLASS CITY THAT HELPS
9:33:10PM INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES OF ALL SORTS FEEL AT HOME HERE,
9:33:14PM THEN THIS PROJECT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO JUST THAT.
9:33:17PM TAMPA'S JEWISH COMMUNITY COMPRISES ORTHODOX JEWS,
9:33:23PM CONSERVATIVE JEWS, REFORMED JEWS AND OTHERS, RODEPH SHALOM
9:33:26PM IS THE HOME OF THE CONSERVATIVE JEWISH COMMUNITY IN SOUTH
9:33:29PM TAMPA AND I BELIEVE THE PROJECT WILL BE CRUCIAL IN KEEPING
9:33:32PM THEM HERE, REMAINING A VITAL COMPONENT OF THE COMMUNITY FOR
9:33:36PM YEARS TO COME.
9:33:36PM I HOPE YOU SUPPORT THE PROJECT.
9:33:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
9:33:40PM JOHN RANON, ELLEN WEISS, PAMELA GARRON.
9:33:47PM COME ON UP, SIR.
9:33:48PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:33:53PM >> GOOD EVENING.
9:33:55PM MY NAME IS JOHN RANON.
9:33:58PM I'VE SEEN MY NAMES SPELLED MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.
9:34:01PM WHAT I JUST WITNESSED WAS SOMETHING ENTIRELY UNIQUE.
9:34:05PM GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
9:34:08PM YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF COMMENTARY THIS EVENING THAT SORT OF
9:34:16PM PAINTS A PICTURE OF THE RELATED GROUP AS BEING THE BAD GUYS.
9:34:19PM I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER A COUNTERPOINT.
9:34:21PM I DO SO RESPECTFULLY BECAUSE SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
9:34:24PM SPOKEN IN OPPOSITION ARE MY FRIENDS AND I INTEND TO KEEP IT
9:34:28PM THAT WAY.
9:34:29PM SO RATHER THAN SPEAK TO THE MERITS OF THE PROPOSAL, I WANT
9:34:33PM TO SPEAK TO THE THOUGHTFUL AND GENEROUS RESPONSE TO A
9:34:38PM REQUEST THAT THE CENTRO ESPANOL MADE TO THE RELATED GROUP.
9:34:44PM IN THE WAY OF BACKGROUND, 1904 TO 1906, MUTUAL AID SOCIETY
9:34:50PM CONSTRUCTED STATE-OF-THE-ART HOSPITAL ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD
9:34:52PM NOT FAR FROM THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
9:34:56PM THAT HOSPITAL WAS STATE OF THE ART FOR ITS TIME NOT ONLY IN
9:35:03PM THE CITY BUT IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
9:35:05PM IT SERVED OUR MEMBERS AND THEIR FAMILIES FOR SIX AND A HALF
9:35:10PM DECADES.
9:35:10PM IN 1970, OUTLIVING ITS USEFULNESS, THE HOSPITAL WAS
9:35:17PM DEMOLISHED AND IN ITS PLACE, THE BAY OAKS APARTMENTS WERE
9:35:23PM CONSTRUCTED.
9:35:24PM MIRACULOUSLY A CENTRAL FOUNTAIN THAT ADORNED THE LANDSCAPE
9:35:28PM OF OUR HOSPITAL SURVIVED THE WRECKING BALL.
9:35:32PM NOT LONG AGO WHEN WE LEARNED OF THE PROJECT THAT IS BEING
9:35:39PM CONSIDERED TONIGHT, WE WROTE A LETTER TO MR. PERA AT THE
9:35:47PM RELATED GROUP AND ASKED SIMPLY FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION TO
9:35:50PM PRESERVE THAT FOUNTAIN.
9:35:51PM THE RESPONSE FROM THE GROUP SURPRISED AND PLEASED US.
9:36:00PM THEY OFFERED NOT ONLY TO PRESERVE IT, BUT ALSO TO RESTORE IT
9:36:04PM AND TO PLACE AN INTERPRETIVE MARKER NEARBY.
9:36:09PM WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE RELATED GROUP'S GESTURE TO
9:36:16PM PRESERVE A SMALL PART OF TAMPA'S ARCHITECTURAL AND CULTURAL
9:36:22PM LEGACY.
9:36:23PM IF I HAD MORE TIME, I COULD TELL YOU WHY THAT FOUNTAIN WAS
9:36:28PM IMPORTANT TO US BEYOND ITS ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES.
9:36:30PM THANK YOU.
9:36:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:36:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE REZONING.
9:36:38PM WERE THE GOLDFISH PART OF THE DEAL?
9:36:41PM >> YES.
9:36:41PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: STILL GOT THE GOLDFISH.
9:36:44PM >> FOUNTAIN WAS USED AS A PLANTER.
9:36:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HEAD DOCTOR WAS DR. WINKLE.
9:36:49PM >> YES.
9:36:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:36:51PM SPANISH NAME WINKLE.
9:36:59PM I REMEMBER GOING THERE AS A KID.
9:37:02PM ABOUT 18 STEPS TO GET TO THE MAIN FLOOR.
9:37:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HE HAS A BUS ON THE RIVERWALK THAT
9:37:08PM DOCTOR.
9:37:09PM YES, MA'AM, ELLEN WEISS.
9:37:12PM PAMELA GARRON.
9:37:13PM JAMIE FINLEY.
9:37:15PM >> HI.
9:37:15PM MY NAME IS ELLEN WEISS.
9:37:18PM FOR THE PAST NINE YEARS I'VE BEEN THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF
9:37:21PM TOP JEWISH FOUNDATION, A 44-YEAR-OLD ORGANIZATION
9:37:27PM HEADQUARTERED IN TAMPA AND THE ONLY COMMUNITY FOUNDATION
9:37:32PM PARTNERING WITH CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM AND ALL THE
9:37:35PM JEWISH ORGANIZATIONS THROUGHOUT TAMPA.
9:37:39PM I HAVE THE UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE OF RUNNING A FOUNDATION WHOSE
9:37:45PM SOLE PURPOSE IS TO ENSURE A FINANCIAL, VIBRANT FUTURE FOR
9:37:51PM RODEPH SHALOM AND THE TAMPA JEWISH COMMUNITY AS WELL AS
9:37:54PM SEVEN OTHER JEWISH COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE WEST COAST OF
9:37:58PM FLORIDA AND CENTRAL FLORIDA.
9:37:59PM IT IS THROUGH MY WORK THAT I HAVE SEEN WHAT IT TAKES TO RUN
9:38:04PM AND SUSTAIN A VIBRANT SYNAGOGUE AND HOW IMPORTANT A VIBRANT
9:38:10PM SYNAGOGUE IS NOT ONLY TO ITS MEMBERS AND THE JEWISH
9:38:13PM COMMUNITY BUT ALSO TO THE LARGER CIVIC COMMUNITY.
9:38:19PM MY MESSAGE TODAY IS THAT THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL SUPPORT OF
9:38:26PM RODEPH SHALOM WILL SIGNIFICANTLY AFFECT NOT ONLY ITS MEMBERS
9:38:30PM AND SYNAGOGUE, BUT THE LARGER JEWISH AND CIVIC COMMUNITIES
9:38:34PM TODAY AND FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.
9:38:37PM THE SYNAGOGUE PLAYS A CRITICALLY IMPORTANT ROLE IN THE LIVES
9:38:42PM OF ITS MEMBERS AS THE ONLY CONSERVATIVE SYNAGOGUE IN SOUTH
9:38:47PM TAMPA.
9:38:48PM THE PROPOSED PROJECT WILL CREATE AN ENDOWMENT THAT WILL
9:38:51PM ENSURE THE FUTURE OF THE SYNAGOGUE WITHOUT WHICH MANY
9:38:56PM NONPROFITS WILL STRUGGLE AND NOT SURVIVE, LIKE THE
9:39:01PM CONSERVATIVE SYNAGOGUE IN SOUTH PINELLAS COUNTY THAT CLOSED
9:39:04PM ITS DOORS WITHIN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
9:39:07PM RODEPH HAS ALSO PLAYED A SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN SUPPORTING THE
9:39:11PM LARGER JEWISH COMMUNITY.
9:39:13PM THROUGH ITS SUPPORT OF TOP JEWISH FOUNDATION OVER THE PAST
9:39:17PM 44 YEARS, RODEPH HAS ENABLED TOP JEWISH FOUNDATION TO RUN
9:39:22PM ITS LEGACY AND ENDOWMENT PROGRAMS, WHICH BUILD CRITICALLY
9:39:26PM IMPORTANT ENDOWMENTS FOR EVERY SINGLE TAMPA JEWISH
9:39:29PM ORGANIZATION.
9:39:30PM WITHOUT RODEPH'S SUPPORT OF TOP, MANY TAMPA JEWISH
9:39:36PM ORGANIZATIONS WILL SUFFER.
9:39:37PM LIKEWISE, A VIBRANT RODEPH SHALOM ENABLES ITS MEMBERS TO
9:39:42PM SUPPORT THE LARGER TAMPA CIVIC COMMUNITY.
9:39:44PM MANY OF RODEPH'S MEMBERS HOLD PHILANTHROPIC FUNDS OR LEGACY
9:39:48PM OR ENDOWMENT COMMITMENTS THAT SUPPORT COUNTLESS, NONPROFIT
9:39:54PM CAUSES THROUGHOUT TAMPA, INCLUDING THE HOSPITALS, THE ARTS,
9:39:57PM EDUCATION, AND THE ENVIRONMENT.
9:40:01PM FOR ALL OF THESE REASONS, I URGE THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL TO
9:40:03PM WIDEN ITS LENS AND WEIGH THE IMPORTANCE OF RODEPH SHALOM'S
9:40:08PM VIABILITY ON THE LARGER JEWISH AND TAMPA COMMUNITIES.
9:40:11PM THANK YOU.
9:40:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
9:40:13PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:40:14PM PAMELA GARRON.
9:40:15PM JAMIE FINLEY.
9:40:16PM GABRIEL FLYNN.
9:40:19PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:40:20PM >> HI.
9:40:21PM GOOD EVENING.
9:40:21PM PAMELA TOBIN GARRON.
9:40:22PM THANK YOU ALL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
9:40:27PM I APPRECIATE YOU HEARING ME TONIGHT.
9:40:30PM WHICH MEANS FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION, FIVE GENERATIONS
9:40:37PM OF MY FAMILY HAVE BEEN MEMBERS OF CONGREGATION RODEPH
9:40:40PM SHALOM.
9:40:40PM THEY JOINED THE SYNAGOGUE IN THE 1960s AND THROUGH THE
9:40:47PM YEARS WE'VE BEEN FORTUNATE TO BE SUPPORTED BY THIS SYNAGOGUE
9:40:51PM THROUGH MANY LIFE CYCLE EVENTS, MY HUSBAND AND I WERE
9:40:54PM MARRIED THERE OVER 30 YEARS AGO, AND MANY OTHER FAMILY
9:40:58PM MEMBERS EXCHANGED THEIR WEDDING VOWS AT THE SAME SITE.
9:41:02PM MY CHILDREN RECEIVED THEIR INCREDIBLE EDUCATION ABOUT JEWISH
9:41:05PM HISTORY AND THE HEBREW LANGUAGE AND EACH HAD THE BAR MITZVAH
9:41:11PM AND CONFIRMATION AT THE SYNAGOGUE.
9:41:13PM THE CONGREGATION WAS THERE FOR US WHEN OUR PARENTS AND OTHER
9:41:17PM BELOVED FAMILY MEMBERS PASSED AWAY, AND EACH YEAR THE
9:41:20PM CONGREGATION STANDS WITH US, REMEMBERING OUR LOVED ONES ON
9:41:25PM THE ANNIVERSARY OF THEIR PASSING.
9:41:28PM THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT PLACE WITH A PROMINENT HISTORY AND
9:41:32PM AN INCREDIBLE LEGACY.
9:41:34PM AS YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT BEFORE YOU HAS GONE THROUGH
9:41:36PM MULTIPLE ITERATIONS, AND IT IS OUR HOPE TONIGHT THAT YOU'LL
9:41:40PM SEE THIS PLAN BEFITTING FOR THE FUTURE OF THE SYNAGOGUE, THE
9:41:44PM SKYLINE OF THE BEAUTIFUL BAYSHORE BOULEVARD AND ENSURE THAT
9:41:47PM THIS IMPORTANT SITE REMAINS A PLACE FOR THE FUTURE
9:41:52PM GENERATIONS OF OUR FAMILIES.
9:41:54PM I THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
9:41:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
9:41:57PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:41:57PM JAMIE FINLEY.
9:42:00PM GABRIEL FLYNN.
9:42:01PM CHRIS ALLEN.
9:42:03PM HELLO.
9:42:04PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:42:05PM >> MY NAME IS JAMIE FINLEY.
9:42:07PM THANK YOU GUYS.
9:42:08PM I KNOW IT'S REALLY LATE.
9:42:11PM THIS IS MY FIRST TIME SPEAKING AT THIS.
9:42:15PM I'M AN INTERIOR DESIGNER HERE IN TAMPA.
9:42:17PM I HAVE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS WHICH MAKES IT A LITTLE
9:42:22PM CHALLENGING.
9:42:23PM BEEN HERE FOR A FEW HOURS.
9:42:26PM I THINK WHAT'S SO INTERESTING IS THAT EVERYBODY CARES ABOUT
9:42:30PM THE COMMUNITY AND EVERYBODY CARES ABOUT SOUTH TAMPA AND HOW
9:42:35PM IT LOOKS.
9:42:36PM THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE GONE BACK AND REDESIGNED THIS TO FIT
9:42:39PM THE COMMUNITY AND USE THE PROPERTY TO REALLY PRESERVE THE
9:42:43PM INTEGRITY OF BAYSHORE VERSUS SOME BIG COMPANY COMING IN, IF
9:42:48PM THEY SELL THE WHOLE PROPERTY, A BIG COMPANY COULD COME IN
9:42:51PM AND WHO KNOWS WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
9:42:54PM THAT WAS MY RECENT THOUGHT.
9:42:55PM WHAT I CAME HERE TO SAY IS I HAVE CLIENTS THAT ARE IN ALL
9:42:59PM DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUILDINGS IN TAMPA.
9:43:01PM SO MANY OF CLIENTS HAVE DOWNSIZED FROM LIVING IN HYDE PARK,
9:43:06PM CULBREATH ISLES, DAVIS ISLANDS, NEW SUBURB BEAUTIFUL,
9:43:11PM EVERYWHERE IN BETWEEN.
9:43:12PM WHAT'S SO INTERESTING IS THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MOVE TO
9:43:15PM CONDOS SO THEY CAN STAY IN SOUTH TAMPA AND WATCH THEIR KIDS
9:43:18PM GROW UP AND GRANDKIDS AND STAY INVOLVED WHILE NOT HAVING THE
9:43:23PM SAME FOOTPRINT OF A HOUSE.
9:43:24PM TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT JUST HAPPENED WITH THE
9:43:27PM HURRICANES AND DEALING WITH A LOT OF DEVASTATION ALL
9:43:30PM THROUGHOUT TAMPA AND I HAVE SEVERAL CLIENTS TRYING TO
9:43:33PM REBUILD THEIR HOMES AND THE STRUGGLE OF WHETHER THEY CAN
9:43:35PM EVEN AFFORD TO STAY IN SOUTH TAMPA OR FIX THEIR HOME OR NOT
9:43:39PM FIX THEIR HOME AND THE CONDOS GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO
9:43:43PM STAY IN SOUTH TAMPA AND STILL KEEP THEIR COMMUNITY AND
9:43:46PM FRIENDS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE SO IMPORTANT TO
9:43:49PM EVERYONE HERE TONIGHT, LIKE, ON BOTH SIDES.
9:43:53PM I JUST THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE AND WHAT
9:43:56PM IT HAS TO OFFER FOR THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
9:44:00PM THANK YOU.
9:44:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:44:01PM GABRIEL FLYNN, CHRIS ALLEN, ALAN FRAZIER.
9:44:07PM HELLO, SIR.
9:44:11PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:44:12PM >> IT'S QUINN.
9:44:13PM GABRIEL QUINN.
9:44:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'LL CORRECT IT.
9:44:17PM GO AHEAD, SIR.
9:44:18PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:44:20PM >> GABRIEL QUINN.
9:44:21PM GOOD EVENING.
9:44:23PM I WANT TO START OFF BY SAYING I AM A NEWER MEMBER TO THE
9:44:27PM TAMPA REGION.
9:44:27PM I MOVED DOWN HERE FOR MY COLLEGE CAREER AND THEN TO PURSUE
9:44:32PM MY CAREER AFTER I GRADUATED.
9:44:34PM WITH THAT BEING SAID, I DON'T PLAN ON MOVING INTO THIS
9:44:39PM BUILDING IF IT IS BUILT ANY TIME SOON.
9:44:41PM BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THE BASIC IDEA OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND.
9:44:47PM AND IF THIS BUILDING WERE TO BE BUILT, IT WOULD CREATE AN
9:44:51PM OPPORTUNITY FOR WEALTHIER HOMEOWNERS AND BUYERS TO MOVE INTO
9:44:55PM SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WHICH WOULD THEN FREE UP MID-RANGE
9:44:59PM HOMES, LEAVING PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO ARE NOW RENTING THE
9:45:03PM ABILITY TO PURCHASE A STARTER HOME.
9:45:06PM SO RIGHT NOW, IT'S PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO THINK
9:45:12PM ABOUT BUYING A HOME AND FOR PEOPLE MY AGE, IT'S REALLY
9:45:18PM DAUNTING TRYING TO MOVE INTO AN AREA LIKE THIS WHERE WE WANT
9:45:21PM TO BE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND UPHOLD THE ECONOMY, BUT
9:45:26PM THERE'S NO HOUSING THAT WE CAN GET INTO THAT'S AFFORDABLE
9:45:29PM FOR OUR PRICE RANGE.
9:45:31PM SO I KNOW THAT CHANGE CAN BE DIFFICULT, BUT IF WE WANT TAMPA
9:45:36PM TO KEEP GROWING AND BE VIBRANT AND ECONOMIC DIVERSE
9:45:41PM COMMUNITY WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT HOUSING NEEDS TO BE
9:45:44PM AFFORDABLE FOR ALL GENERATIONS, NOT JUST THOSE WHO OWN HOMES
9:45:48PM NOW AND WHO WERE HERE BEFORE US.
9:45:52PM WE NEED TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND FOR THE FUTURE THAT IS US YOUNG
9:45:56PM PEOPLE WHO HAVE MOVED HERE AND CALL TAMPA OUR HOME.
9:45:59PM THANK YOU.
9:45:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
9:46:01PM CHRIS ALLEN.
9:46:03PM PASTOR CHRIS ALLEN.
9:46:06PM ALAN FRAZIER.
9:46:07PM PAULA MECKLEY.
9:46:08PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:46:11PM >> REVEREND CHRIS ALLEN, PASTOR OF HORIZON UNITED METHODIST
9:46:14PM CHURCH.
9:46:16PM I FIRST WALKED INTO CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM A LITTLE OVER
9:46:19PM A YEAR AGO AS OUR BUILDING WAS BEING RENOVATED AND WE WERE
9:46:23PM LOOKING FOR TEMPORARY SPACE.
9:46:25PM MUCH UNLIKE THIS MEETING, IT WAS THE SHORTEST RELIGIOUS
9:46:30PM MEETING I'VE BEEN -- THEY LITERALLY SAID THE WORD IN HEBREW
9:46:36PM FOR HOSPITALITY.
9:46:37PM THAT WAS MY WELCOME INTO THAT COMMUNITY.
9:46:40PM THAT HAS BEEN THE HEARTBEAT THAT I EXPERIENCE EVERY TIME I
9:46:43PM WALKED IN THE DOOR THERE.
9:46:44PM THIS PAST FALL, EVERYONE HAS MENTIONED STORMS DEVASTATED OUR
9:46:49PM COMMUNITY AND WE WERE DIRECTLY IMPACTED OUR CHURCH.
9:46:53PM PERSONALLY MY HOME WAS ALSO FLOODED WITH HURRICANE HELENE.
9:46:56PM I PREACHED THAT SUNDAY MORNING IN A SYNAGOGUE IN SHORTS AND
9:47:00PM A T-SHIRT BECAUSE IT WAS THE ONLY CLOTHES I STILL HAD.
9:47:03PM FOLLOWING WEEK WHEN HURRICANE MILTON CAME, THE BUILDING WE
9:47:06PM WERE RENOVATING, SIX WEEKS AWAY AND LOOKING FORWARD TO NO
9:47:09PM LONGER BEING TENANTS IN A SYNAGOGUE, OUR BUILDING FLOODED
9:47:12PM AND WE STILL DON'T KNOW YET WHEN WE WILL BE BACK IN THAT
9:47:15PM SPACE.
9:47:16PM OVER AND OVER AGAIN CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM HAS BEEN THAT
9:47:19PM PLACE OF HOSPITALITY FOR US.
9:47:21PM IT'S BEEN A PLACE ON SUNDAY MORNINGS WHERE BOTH OUR
9:47:25PM CONGREGATION AND THE CONGREGATION OF THE SYNAGOGUE HAVE
9:47:29PM GATHERED.
9:47:29PM KIDS RUNNING THROUGH THE HALLS.
9:47:31PM AWESOME CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE.
9:47:33PM AS WE AS A CITY BEGIN TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS MOST
9:47:36PM FOREFRONT WITH THIS, I BELIEVE THIS PROJECT DOES IT IN SUCH
9:47:41PM A CREATIVE WAY.
9:47:42PM LONELINESS IS A PROBLEM IN OUR CITY AND IT IS A PLACE WHERE
9:47:45PM PEOPLE GATHER AT CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM.
9:47:47PM I BELIEVE IT HAS A UNIQUE PIECE IN THE FABRIC OF THE CITY TO
9:47:51PM CONTINUE ON THAT STREET.
9:47:52PM THE OTHER PIECE THAT I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IS ALSO HOW
9:47:56PM DO WE DO THIS IN A WAY THAT TAKES THAT CREATIVITY AND CAN BE
9:48:01PM A FORWARD THINKING APPROACH?
9:48:02PM WE HEARD ABOUT THE NEED FOR HOUSING IN THIS COMMUNITY.
9:48:05PM IT WILL CONTINUE TO INCREASE AS PEOPLE MOVE HERE.
9:48:10PM THIS PROJECT ITSELF, I BELIEVE WITH YOUR FORWARD THINKING
9:48:14PM LEADERSHIP CAN BE A PART OF THAT AND PUT US ON THE LANDMARK
9:48:18PM OF SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DONE CREATIVELY WHERE PEOPLE ARE
9:48:21PM NOT ONLY LIVING, THEY ARE WORKING, EATING AND PRAYING ALL IN
9:48:25PM A CENTRALIZED AREA.
9:48:26PM OUR CONGREGATION LOVES THE LOCATION ON SUNDAY MORNINGS
9:48:28PM BECAUSE THEY CAN WALK FROM CAMP TO CHURCH IN THEIR YOGA
9:48:32PM CLOTHES.
9:48:33PM GO FROM THERE TO PINKY'S.
9:48:35PM THEY CAN WALK FROM THEIR HOMES.
9:48:36PM IT IS A UNIQUE SPOT, AMAZING THINGS FOR THE COMMUNITY.
9:48:42PM FORMER BOARD MEMBER AT WALK BIKE TAMPA.
9:48:44PM THERE'S MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION BETWEEN BUS LINES, BIKING
9:48:47PM AND WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT CARS.
9:48:49PM I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW THIS SPOT IS UNIQUE FOR
9:48:54PM HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT OFFERS OTHER WAYS OF
9:48:58PM GETTING AROUND OTHER THAN JUST CARS.
9:49:00PM THANK YOU.
9:49:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
9:49:02PM ALAN FRAZIER.
9:49:03PM PAULA MECKLEY.
9:49:05PM COURTNEY HOENING.
9:49:06PM HELLO, SIR.
9:49:14PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:49:15PM >> WHERE IS THE MIKE?
9:49:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT'S RIGHT THERE.
9:49:23PM >> MY NAME IS ALAN FRAZIER.
9:49:27PM I'M NOT A MEMBER OF THE SYNAGOGUE, BUT MY GRANDFATHER, ADOLF
9:49:31PM GOLDSTEIN, WAS ONE OF THE FOUNDING BOARD MEMBERS.
9:49:34PM HE WAS ALSO ON THE CITY OF TAMPA COUNCIL IN 1923 AND 1929.
9:49:43PM ANYWAY, I THINK IF THIS CAME UP, VOTED FOR IT.
9:49:51PM [ LAUGHTER ]
9:49:51PM BUT ANYWAY, I'M FOR THIS PROJECT.
9:49:55PM A COUPLE OF REASONS.
9:49:56PM IT IS A LOT OF TAXES.
9:49:58PM $5 MILLION APIECE AND THAT'S A LOT OF TAXES FOR THE CITY.
9:50:02PM IT CAN HELP DO A LOT OF GOOD THINGS WITH THAT.
9:50:04PM THE OTHER THING, I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT, BUT TONY EVERETT
9:50:08PM MENTIONED, ONE TIME HIGH-RISE ZONING FROM DIPLOMAT TO BAY TO
9:50:13PM BAY OR FURTHER BEYOND THAT.
9:50:15PM AND THAT'S TRUE.
9:50:16PM IT DID HAVE A HIGH-RISE ZONING AS I REMEMBER, AND THAT
9:50:23PM SHOULD BE -- THE OTHER THING, DENNIS LEVINE MENTIONED
9:50:26PM THERE'S NOBODY LIVING IN THE GARDEN CLUB.
9:50:29PM IT'S SURPRISING THEY OPPOSE IT SO MUCH.
9:50:32PM ANYWAY, I WOULD URGE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL VOTE LIKE MY
9:50:35PM GRANDFATHER WOULD, VOTE FOR THE PROJECT.
9:50:40PM I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROJECT AND IT WOULD PROVIDE A LOT OF
9:50:43PM REVENUE FOR THE CITY.
9:50:45PM THANK YOU.
9:50:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SIR, YOU SAID YOUR GRANDFATHER WAS A
9:50:48PM CITY COUNCIL MEMBER.
9:50:50PM >> YES.
9:50:52PM ADOLF GOLDSTEIN.
9:50:57PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I BET HE WASN'T HERE AT MIDNIGHT.
9:51:01PM >> IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE SAME ROOM.
9:51:02PM I DON'T KNOW.
9:51:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A BOOK OF ALL THE MEMBERS OF
9:51:05PM CITY COUNCIL.
9:51:05PM YOUR GRANDFATHER IS IN IT.
9:51:07PM WOULD YOU LIKE A COPY?
9:51:08PM >> I'VE SEEN IT.
9:51:09PM I'VE SEEN IT ON THE WEBSITE.
9:51:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
9:51:13PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
9:51:14PM NEXT SPEAKER IS PAULA MECKLEY.
9:51:17PM COURTNEY HOENING.
9:51:18PM ALAN COHN.
9:51:21PM PAULA MECKLEY, COME ON UP.
9:51:23PM THANK YOU, MA'AM.
9:51:24PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:51:25PM >> PAULA MECKLEY.
9:51:26PM GOOD EVENING, COUNCILMEN, I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA
9:51:30PM GARDEN CLUB.
9:51:31PM THIS PROPOSED 16-STORY HIGH-RISE, ALONG WITH THE 77-FOOT
9:51:35PM TALL PARKING STRUCTURE IS A PROJECT OF CONSUMPTION.
9:51:39PM NOT MEANINGFUL DEVELOPMENT.
9:51:40PM IT DEVOURS VALUABLE OPEN GREENSPACE WITHOUT OFFERING REAL
9:51:45PM BENEFITS TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS OR THE COMMUNITY.
9:51:47PM TRUE DEVELOPMENT ENHANCES A NEIGHBORHOOD BUT THIS PROJECT
9:51:51PM ONLY TAKES AWAY.
9:51:53PM BEYOND A TOKEN SIDEWALK AND MID BLOCK CROSS WALK, WHAT
9:51:56PM GENUINE VALUE DOES IT PROVIDE TO THE ELDERLY SENIOR
9:52:00PM RESIDENTS AT THE PRESBYTERIAN APARTMENTS, ACROSS THE STREET
9:52:04PM OR TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE AROUND IT.
9:52:06PM THIS PROJECT STRIPS THEM OF OPEN SURROUNDINGS, REPLACING IT
9:52:10PM WITH CONCRETE, CONGESTION AND SAFETY CONCERNS.
9:52:13PM MOREOVER, THIS PROJECT THREATENS TO DESTROY THE LIVELIHOOD
9:52:17PM OF THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB, A PHILANTHROPIC ORGANIZATION THAT
9:52:20PM HAS SERVED THE TAMPA COMMUNITY FOR DECADES.
9:52:22PM THE CLUB RELIES ON THE PICTURESQUE OUTDOOR SETTING TO
9:52:27PM ATTRACT WEDDINGS, EVENTS, AND COMMUNITY GATHERINGS, CRITICAL
9:52:31PM SOURCES OF REVENUE THAT SUSTAIN ITS CHARITABLE INITIATIVES
9:52:34PM AND EDUCATION PROGRAMS.
9:52:35PM THE LOOMING HIGH-RISE AND PARKING STRUCTURE WOULD OVERSHADOW
9:52:39PM THE CLUB'S SCENIC APPEAL, DRIVING AWAY POTENTIAL CLIENTS AND
9:52:42PM JEOPARDIZING ITS FINANCIAL STABILITY.
9:52:45PM THE RESULTING NOISE, TRAFFIC CONGESTION, FLOODING AND LOSS
9:52:48PM OF GREENSPACE WOULD FURTHER ERODE THE TRANQUIL ATMOSPHERE
9:52:51PM THAT MAKES THE GARDEN CLUB A BELOVED COMMUNITY ASSET.
9:52:54PM I'M GOING TO PUT ON THE OVERHEAD, THIS IS THE COMPREHENSIVE
9:52:59PM PLAN.
9:53:00PM 1.3.5 IN THE POLICY RECOGNIZE THAT EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS AN
9:53:05PM -- HAS ASSETS THAT IDENTIFY THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND CONTRIBUTE
9:53:09PM TO THE WELL-BEING OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE.
9:53:11PM UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE ARE -- UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE ARE AND
9:53:15PM LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO ENHANCE THEM.
9:53:18PM TREES, LARGE YARDS, SCHOOLS, PEOPLE, AND INDEPENDENT
9:53:22PM BUSINESSES.
9:53:23PM INSTEAD OF FOSTERING GROWTH AND ENRICHMENT, IT THREATENS TO
9:53:28PM CONSUME AND DISMANTLE THE VERY ELEMENTS THAT MAKE THE AREA
9:53:31PM -- THIS AREA OF BAYSHORE BOULEVARD A UNIQUE AND VIBRANT.
9:53:37PM THE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT YOU HAVE BEEN
9:53:39PM PRESENTED WITH TONIGHT ARE VERY CLEAR.
9:53:42PM THIS IS THE WRONG BUILDING FOR THIS LOCATION.
9:53:46PM WE HAVE REPEATEDLY STATED THAT A SMALLER DEVELOPMENT THAT
9:53:50PM FITS INTO THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE
9:53:52PM SUPPORTED.
9:53:53PM PLEASE DENY THIS ZONING.
9:53:55PM THANK YOU.
9:53:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
9:53:57PM COURTNEY HOENING.
9:53:59PM ALAN COHN.
9:54:00PM JOE ROBINSON.
9:54:01PM YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:54:08PM >> COURTNEY HOENING.
9:54:09PM I HAVE A COUPLE OF PICTURES.
9:54:11PM DO I PUT THEM ON THE ELMO OR HOW DOES THAT WORK?
9:54:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
9:54:17PM WE'VE GOT THEM AND WE'LL GET THEM UP ON THE BIG SCREEN.
9:54:21PM >> COURTNEY HOENING, CIVIC CHAIR FOR THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB
9:54:25PM AND ALSO A RESIDENT OF SOUTH TAMPA.
9:54:27PM NO ONE LIVES IN THE GARDEN CLUB, BUT NO ONE LIVES IN THE
9:54:30PM SYNAGOGUE EITHER.
9:54:31PM AS CIVIC CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU THAT THE TAMPA
9:54:35PM GARDEN CLUB HAS BEEN ON BAYSHORE SINCE 1929.
9:54:37PM GREENSPACE IS OUR BUSINESS.
9:54:39PM WE GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY ON A DAILY BASIS BY DOING
9:54:43PM EVERYTHING FROM PLANTING TREES ALL OVER THE CITY, FUNDING
9:54:46PM AND WORKING WITH COMMUNITY GARDENS.
9:54:48PM WE HELP PROVIDE SCHOLARSHIPS FOR UP AND COMING COLLEGE
9:54:51PM STUDENTS.
9:54:52PM OFFER KIDS A SUMMER CAMP AND ALSO HELP OUR LOCAL PARKS.
9:54:55PM NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH IS FRED BALL PARK.
9:54:58PM WITH REGARD TO OUR VENUE BUSINESS, YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT WE
9:55:00PM ARE ALSO A SMALL BUSINESS.
9:55:02PM WE ARE A CENTURY OLD WOMEN-OWNED BUSINESS.
9:55:05PM WE ARE A QUIET OASIS IN A BUSY CITY.
9:55:08PM THAT IS WHAT DRIVES BRIDES TO US.
9:55:10PM WE ARE MUCH QUIETER AND MORE PEACEFUL, AFFORDABLE VENUE FOR
9:55:14PM AN OUTDOOR WEDDING AND WE GIVE BRIDES A QUIETER ALTERNATIVE
9:55:17PM TO THE BUSYNESS OF DOWNTOWN.
9:55:20PM WE ARE AN OASIS ALONG BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
9:55:22PM OUR GUESTS APPRECIATE OUR QUIET SPACE IN AN EVER GROWING
9:55:25PM CITY.
9:55:25PM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATES THAT REZONING REQUESTS CANNOT
9:55:28PM BE DETRIMENTAL TO SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS AND TO
9:55:32PM SURROUNDING BUSINESSES -- EXCUSE ME, NEIGHBORING BUSINESSES.
9:55:35PM WANTING TO KEEP OUR BUSINESS SUCCESSFUL AND IN TURN SUPPORT
9:55:38PM OUR COMMUNITY DOES NOT MAKE US A BAD NEIGHBOR.
9:55:42PM YOU HEARD AT YOUR WORKSHOP THIS MORNING ABOUT HOW DEVELOPERS
9:55:46PM CAN CREATE PARKING ISSUES WHEN THEY DEVELOP LARGE PROJECTS.
9:55:49PM THE BUILDING OF THESE LARGE TOWERS AND THE CONSTRUCTION
9:55:52PM WOULD CERTAINLY NEGATIVELY AFFECT OUR BUSINESS AND OUR
9:55:55PM ABILITIES TO CONTINUE TO GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.
9:55:58PM WE WOULD LIKE TO REMAIN -- WE WANT THE SYNAGOGUE TO REMAIN
9:56:09PM OUR FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR AND WE WANT TO ENJOY OUR TIME WITH
9:56:13PM THEM.
9:56:14PM AS A RESIDENT OF SOUTH TAMPA I WOULD SAY TO YOU THIS IS THE
9:56:16PM LAST REMAINING GREENSPACE ON BAYSHORE.
9:56:18PM YOU HEAR THAT AND MIGHT THINK, WOW, THE ONLY ONE LEFT.
9:56:22PM DEVELOPERS SEE DOLLAR SIGNS WHILE RESIDENTS SEE IT AS A
9:56:25PM RETREAT.
9:56:26PM A GREENSPACE THAT IS SURROUNDED BY A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH MUCH
9:56:29PM LOWER DENSITY AND A BEAUTIFULLY CHERISHED PART OF THE
9:56:32PM BAYSHORE COMMUNITY.
9:56:33PM WE CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE IT.
9:56:35PM PLEASE REMEMBER THE ISSUES THAT CAME UP DURING YOUR WORKSHOP
9:56:38PM THIS MORNING AS YOU'RE MAKING YOUR DECISION TONIGHT AND
9:56:41PM BETTER COMMUNITIES INCLUDE GREENSPACE.
9:56:43PM WE ASK THAT YOU PLEASE DENY THE REZONING REQUEST TONIGHT.
9:56:46PM THANK YOU.
9:56:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:56:49PM ALAN COHN.
9:56:50PM JOE ROBINSON, STEVEN SILVERMAN.
9:56:52PM HELLO, SIR.
9:56:57PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:56:59PM >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
9:57:00PM I'M ALAN COHN.
9:57:01PM I WANT TO TAKE ONE EXCEPTION TO THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER.
9:57:07PM CONGREGATION RODEPH SHALOM IS A HOUSE OF WORSHIP AND IT IS A
9:57:12PM HOME TO THE JEWISH COMMUNITY IN TAMPA.
9:57:16PM LET ME TELL YOU WHY IT'S IMPORTANT.
9:57:18PM MOST OF YOU KNOW ME FROM POLITICS.
9:57:21PM I DON'T KNOW IF ANY ONE OF YOU KNOW I AM ALSO A FORMER
9:57:25PM SYNAGOGUE PRESIDENT OF A CONSERVATIVE SYNAGOGUE JUST LIKE
9:57:29PM RODEPH SHALOM.
9:57:29PM MY SYNAGOGUE WAS IN TORRINGTON, CONNECTICUT, AND I WORKED MY
9:57:34PM BUTT OFF FOR YEARS TO MAKE SURE IT KEPT ITS DOORS OPENED.
9:57:39PM AFTER WE MOVED DOWN HERE, THEY CLOSED THEIR DOORS.
9:57:41PM IT'S NO LONGER THERE.
9:57:44PM IT'S THAT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO BE A JEWISH FAMILY IN THAT
9:57:47PM PART OF CONNECTICUT TODAY.
9:57:50PM RODEPH SHALOM IS THE ONLY CONSERVATIVE SYNAGOGUE IN THE CITY
9:57:56PM OF TAMPA.
9:57:59PM IT'S PART OF A COMMUNITY WITH SCHAARAI ZEDEK AND OTHER
9:58:06PM SYNAGOGUES THAT MAKE TAMPA A UNIQUELY APPEALING PLACE FOR
9:58:10PM JEWISH CITIZENS TO MOVE WITH THEIR FAMILIES, LIVE AND WORK
9:58:15PM AND PAY TAXES.
9:58:17PM NOW, I KNOW THIS IS A DIFFICULT DECISION FOR ALL OF YOU, AND
9:58:24PM THERE HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLY PASSIONATE SPEAKERS ON BOTH SIDES
9:58:28PM OF THE ISSUE HERE TONIGHT.
9:58:29PM SOMETIMES A LITTLE BIT TOO PASSIONATE.
9:58:31PM BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COMMUNITY THAT WE LOVE A GREAT
9:58:37PM DEAL.
9:58:38PM MY PURPOSE IN SPEAKING TO YOU TONIGHT IS TO REAFFIRM WHAT
9:58:43PM OTHER SPEAKERS HAVE SAID.
9:58:44PM THIS PROJECT IS IMPORTANT TO THE ENTIRE JEWISH COMMUNITY OF
9:58:51PM THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:58:55PM AND THEY ARE NOT ASKING FOR A SINGLE PENNY IN TAXPAYER
9:58:58PM DOLLARS.
9:58:59PM AS IT HAS BEEN MENTIONED, THERE ARE SYNAGOGUES, CHURCHES AND
9:59:04PM HOUSES OF WORSHIP THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY THAT ARE CLOSING
9:59:07PM THEIR DOORS TODAY BECAUSE OF CHANGING DEMOGRAPHICS AND THE
9:59:11PM CHANGING LIFESTYLE OF AMERICANS.
9:59:13PM SOME CHURCHES PUT UP CELL PHONE TOWERS, WHICH I DON'T THINK
9:59:17PM EXACTLY WOULD FIT INTO BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
9:59:19PM THIS SYNAGOGUE HAS FOUND AN ANSWER FOR ITS FUTURE WITHOUT
9:59:26PM ASKING ANYTHING FROM THIS CITY.
9:59:30PM AND SO IN CLOSING TONIGHT, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR
9:59:35PM ATTENTION TO THIS ISSUE.
9:59:37PM AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANTICIPATED APPROVAL
9:59:41PM BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE JEWISH COMMUNITY IN TAMPA
9:59:44PM WILL REMEMBER FOR YEARS TO COME.
9:59:46PM THANK YOU.
9:59:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
9:59:47PM JOE ROBINSON.
9:59:49PM STEVEN SILVERMAN.
9:59:53PM LINDSEY MORGAN.
9:59:54PM WAIT, MR. ROBINSON IS COMING UP.
9:59:56PM THEN MR. SILVERMAN.
9:59:57PM YOU'LL BE NEXT, SIR.
9:59:59PM HELLO, SIR.
10:00:01PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:00:03PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. ROBINSON, DO YOU HAVE A NUMBER TO
10:00:06PM DEPOSIT IN THAT LITTLE BASKET IN FRONT OF YOU?
10:00:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DID HE GET A NUMBER?
10:00:19PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, SIR.
10:00:26PM >> JOE ROBINSON.
10:00:27PM ON BEHALF OF MY JEWISH SISTER, MY NIECES AND NEPHEWS IN
10:00:34PM CANADA, I'VE BEEN ASKED TO REVIEW THE PROJECT AND GIVE MY
10:00:38PM PROFESSIONAL OPINION.
10:00:39PM DIDN'T KNOW I HAD A JEWISH SISTER, DID YOU?
10:00:41PM FIRST OF ALL, YOUR ROLE TONIGHT IS TO MITIGATE OR LITIGATE.
10:00:46PM WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
10:00:48PM MITIGATE TO LITIGATE, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
10:00:51PM YOUR ROLE TONIGHT IS LEGISLATIVE.
10:00:52PM YOUR ROLE TONIGHT IS DETERMINED IF THIS IS LEGALLY MEDIATED
10:00:56PM SETTLEMENT, APPROPRIATE SOLUTION TONIGHT.
10:00:58PM AS YOU'RE SEEING, THERE'S HOSTILITY IN THE AIR.
10:01:01PM IT'S SAD THAT THE OPPOSITION IS DISRESPECTFUL TO YOU AND
10:01:05PM OTHERS IN THESE CHAMBERS.
10:01:07PM FACTS TONIGHT.
10:01:09PM PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF HAS FOUND THIS MEASURE USE SITE
10:01:14PM PLAN CONSISTENT.
10:01:15PM CITY OF TAMPA LAND USE ZONING STAFF FIND IT CONSISTENT.
10:01:18PM GREENSPACE, BUFFERING, YOU KNOW, TREES, NATURAL RESOURCES
10:01:22PM HAVE FOUND CONSISTENT.
10:01:27PM RELATED GROUP IN WEST TAMPA HAS DONE A GREAT JOB.
10:01:31PM I'VE WORKED WITH THEM IN WEST TAMPA FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW.
10:01:35PM YEAH, THERE ARE ISSUES SOMETIMES WITH CONTRACTORS THEY USE.
10:01:39PM BUT THEY BELIEVE IN ART.
10:01:43PM IF THIS IS APPROVED THEY'LL HAVE OUR ART EVERYWHERE ON THIS
10:01:46PM PROJECT.
10:01:46PM THE THING ABOUT RELATED IS THAT THEY ARE BEING THE VERY
10:01:50PM FIRST DEVELOPER TO EVER ENTER OR OFFER A SIGNED COMMUNITY
10:01:55PM BENEFIT AGREEMENT IN THE HISTORY OF TAMPA FOR ROME YARD.
10:01:59PM NOBODY HAS EVER DONE THAT.
10:02:01PM SO THESE GUYS AREN'T BAD GUYS.
10:02:04PM SOMETIMES THEY MIGHT HAVE GUYS DOING WORK FOR THEM THAT
10:02:06PM DON'T NECESSARILY TAKE CARE OF DOING CONSTRUCTION THE PROPER
10:02:10PM WAY.
10:02:11PM THEY KNOW ABOUT COMMUNITY BENEFITS.
10:02:13PM IT SPEAKS VOLUMES TO THE INTENT TO BE A GOOD DEVELOPER.
10:02:17PM CONCERN AND SENSITIVE TO THE AREAS OF TAMPA THEY DEVELOP.
10:02:29PM DO YOU WANT TO MITIGATE OR LITIGATE?
10:02:31PM THESE PEOPLE READY TO MEDIATE.
10:02:34PM THESE PEOPLE OVER HERE, THEY ARE READY TO LITIGATE.
10:02:36PM SO IT DOESN'T MATTER.
10:02:37PM THIS IS A MEDIATED SETTLEMENT.
10:02:41PM IF YOU VOTE NO, IT PROBABLY WILL BE A LITIGATION.
10:02:45PM DON'T ROLL THE DICE.
10:02:46PM WE ALREADY ROLLED THE DICE OVER AT HARBOUR ISLAND WITH THE
10:02:51PM HOTEL.
10:02:52PM ALREADY A JUDGE SAYING THAT CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE
10:02:55PM AUTHORITY THROUGH THE CONSTITUTION TO EVEN HEAR ZONING
10:02:58PM HEARINGS.
10:03:00PM PLEASE, LET'S GET THIS OVER WITH.
10:03:02PM THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST MEDIATED SETTLEMENT I'VE EVER SEEN
10:03:05PM COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
10:03:06PM YOU KNOW I DON'T BE DOWN HERE AT NIGHT.
10:03:09PM BUT BECAUSE OF MY JEWISH SISTER, BEEN OVER THERE AT THIS
10:03:13PM RODEPH SHALOM BACK IN THE STAY, STAYING IN FLORIDA, SHE NOW
10:03:16PM IN TORONTO, CANADA, I HAD TO COME DOWN AND RESPECT MY
10:03:20PM SISTERS, MY NEPHEWS -- I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT FOR THE
10:03:25PM RECORD.
10:03:25PM ONCE AGAIN, CHARLIE, HASTA LUEGO.
10:03:33PM I'M OUT OF TIME.
10:03:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: STEVEN SILVERMAN AND LINDSEY MORGAN.
10:03:39PM >> GOOD EVENING.
10:03:41PM MY NAME IS STEVEN SILVERMAN.
10:03:43PM I'M A RESIDENT OF SOUTH TAMPA.
10:03:45PM I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF RODEPH SHALOM.
10:03:48PM AND I'M A COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE BROKER.
10:03:52PM WE HEARD TONIGHT A LOT OF REALLY COMPLICATED ARGUMENTS AND I
10:03:56PM DON'T ENVY YOU MAKING DECISIONS BECAUSE BY COMPLICATING
10:04:01PM THINGS IT MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT.
10:04:03PM I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY MAYBE AN APARTMENT BEHIND DOESN'T WANT
10:04:08PM A BUILDING TO GO UP IN FRONT OF THEM, BUT THEY KNEW WHEN
10:04:11PM THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY THAT THEY WEREN'T THE FRONT OF THE
10:04:17PM BAYSHORE.
10:04:17PM WE HAVE TO KEEP THINGS SIMPLE.
10:04:21PM THE WAY I TRY TO KEEP THINGS SIMPLE IN MY LIFE IS I GO TO
10:04:25PM PROFESSIONALS.
10:04:25PM I CAN DO MY TAXES BUT I GO TO A CPA.
10:04:30PM I GUESS I COULD CURE MYSELF BUT I GO TO A DOCTOR.
10:04:33PM TAMPA HAS -- AS A COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE BROKER, I'VE BEEN
10:04:39PM TO THEM.
10:04:40PM I SENT THEM SOME QUESTIONS EARLIER THIS WEEK.
10:04:43PM THEY ARE RESPONSIVE AND THEY ARE THOUGHTFUL AND THEY SAY NO
10:04:47PM AND THEY ALSO GIVE GUIDANCE.
10:04:50PM I THINK YOU HAVE PROFESSIONALS WHO HAVE ALREADY LOOKED AT
10:04:52PM THIS, CONSIDERED ALL THE ANGLES AND SAID THIS IS SOMETHING
10:04:56PM THAT WORKS FOR TAMPA.
10:05:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SILVERMAN, I HAVE TO STOP YOU.
10:05:03PM YOU WERE NOT SWORN IN.
10:05:04PM IF YOU COULD RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND WE'LL SWEAR YOU IN.
10:05:08PM I APOLOGIZE.
10:05:10PM >> DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU HAVE
10:05:12PM ALREADY PROVIDED AND CONTINUE TO PROVIDE IS NOTHING BUT THE
10:05:15PM TRUTH?
10:05:16PM >> I DO.
10:05:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:05:17PM SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, SIR.
10:05:22PM >> EVERY PROPERTY OWNER HAS THE INALIENABLE RIGHT TO ACHIEVE
10:05:27PM THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THE PROPERTY.
10:05:29PM IT IS THE KIND OF THING THAT COMES BEFORE ZONING ALL THE
10:05:32PM TIME.
10:05:32PM THE GARDEN CLUB I THINK IS A BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY, BUT THEY
10:05:36PM HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO ACHIEVE THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THE
10:05:41PM PROPERTY.
10:05:42PM THEY HAVE THIS BEAUTIFUL GREENSPACE, BUT THAT'S THEIR
10:05:44PM CHOICE.
10:05:45PM BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT A NEIGHBOR SHOULD BE PREVENTED
10:05:48PM FROM ACHIEVING THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THEIR SPACE.
10:05:52PM I THINK THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE APPROVED BECAUSE IT
10:05:55PM IS CONSISTENT WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND AND YOU SEE WHAT'S REALLY
10:06:00PM GOING ON IN TAMPA RIGHT NOW.
10:06:02PM I THINK IT IS PROBABLY THE GARDEN CLUB THAT'S NOT
10:06:06PM CONSISTENT, BUT I HOPE THEY STAY FOREVER BECAUSE I THINK IT
10:06:09PM IS A BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY AND IT ADDS TO THE CITY.
10:06:13PM BUT I THINK COMMON SENSE COMING OUT OF THIS WOULD SAY THAT
10:06:18PM THE PROJECT SHOULD BE APPROVED.
10:06:19PM THANK YOU.
10:06:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:06:23PM LINDSEY MORGAN.
10:06:24PM YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM AND THE ATTORNEY WILL READ
10:06:29PM OFF THE NAMES IF YOU HAND IT TO HIM.
10:06:32PM THEN WE HAVE SANDY PEACEMAN ONLINE.
10:06:36PM >> PART OF OUR TEAM.
10:06:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LINDSEY MORGAN IS OUR LAST SPEAKER.
10:06:42PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: BEFORE YOU BEGIN, KATHERINE WALLACE,
10:06:45PM PLEASE.
10:06:45PM AND KIM NORMAN.
10:06:50PM THANK YOU.
10:06:50PM TWO ADDITIONAL MINUTES FOR A TOTAL OF FIVE.
10:06:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:06:54PM >> LINDSEY MORGAN.
10:06:55PM I LIVE AT 5102 BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
10:06:59PM I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS ON THIS
10:07:02PM ISSUE TONIGHT.
10:07:02PM I KNOW IT'S LATE.
10:07:04PM I CAME STRAIGHT FROM WORK WITHOUT DINNER.
10:07:06PM AGAIN, APPRECIATE YOU HEARING ME OUT HERE.
10:07:08PM I AM ALSO A NEWER RESIDENT OF TAMPA.
10:07:11PM I MOVED HERE FROM CHICAGO IN 2015.
10:07:14PM I BOUGHT MY TOWNHOME IN 2017.
10:07:17PM MY FAVORITE THINGS ABOUT TAMPA ARE GASPARILLA.
10:07:20PM I LOVE IT MORE THAN CHRISTMAS.
10:07:22PM I LOVE THE NATURAL BEAUTY HERE AND MY FAVORITE THING ABOUT
10:07:26PM TAMPA IS THE WAY THIS CITY COMES TOGETHER, WHETHER IT'S FOR
10:07:29PM A LIGHTNING GAME OR BACK-TO-BACK HURRICANES, I HAVE NEVER IN
10:07:33PM ALL THE PLACES I'VE LIVED, I HAVE NEVER SEEN A SPIRIT LIKE
10:07:36PM WHAT WE HAVE IN TAMPA.
10:07:37PM EVEN IN MY SHORT TIME HERE, THE FACE OF BAYSHORE HAS CHANGED
10:07:43PM DRAMATICALLY SPOUTING HIGH-RISES WHERE I USED TO SEE BLUE
10:07:47PM SKIES AND GREENSPACE ON MY BAYSHORE WALKS.
10:07:51PM I MOVED HERE.
10:07:52PM I WAS RECRUITED BY A LAW FIRM.
10:07:54PM THOSE LATE-NIGHT WALKS ALONG BAYSHORE PROVIDED ME
10:07:59PM MUCH-NEEDED SPACE FOR RESPITE AND REFLECTION.
10:08:03PM I SPEND A LOT OF TIME THERE.
10:08:05PM AN EARLIER SPEAKER SAID THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD NOT ADVERSELY
10:08:08PM AFFECT OUR HOMES, NOT ONLY DO I DISAGREE, I'M HERE TONIGHT
10:08:12PM TO SHARE THREE IMPACTS I ALREADY FELT AT HOME ATTRIBUTABLE
10:08:15PM TO THE CUMULATIVE DEVELOPMENT ON BAYSHORE AND ASK YOU TO
10:08:18PM OPPOSE THE DEVELOPMENT.
10:08:19PM THOSE THREE IMPACTS ARE SAFETY, IMPACTS ON HOMEOWNERS
10:08:24PM INSURANCE, THE AVAILABILITY AND COST, AND CHANGING QUALITY
10:08:28PM OF LIFE.
10:08:30PM SAFETY PRIMARILY I ALSO LIKE ANOTHER SPEAKER, I'M IN
10:08:33PM EVACUATION ZONE A.
10:08:35PM I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE CUMULATIVE IMPACT OF HAVING MORE
10:08:38PM PEOPLE IN A DENSE AREA THAT MAKES IT HARDER AND RISKIER TO
10:08:42PM EVACUATE IN CASES OF EMERGENCY, LIKE THE BACK-TO-BACK
10:08:45PM HURRICANES WE HAD THIS PAST OCTOBER.
10:08:47PM I'M CONCERNED ABOUT FLOODING AND STORM SURGE.
10:08:49PM AGAIN, CUMULATIVE IMPACT OF DEVELOPMENT IN A CONCENTRATED
10:08:56PM AREA INCREASES STORM SURGE LEADING TO POSSIBLE PERMANENT
10:08:59PM DAMAGE TO OUR AREA.
10:09:00PM IMPACT ON HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE, I WAS ALARMED THIS YEAR
10:09:05PM PERSONALLY TO RECEIVE NOTICE THAT I COULD NOT OBTAIN
10:09:07PM HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE ON THE PRIVATE MARKET.
10:09:10PM I HAD TO NAVIGATE THAT PROCESS OF GOING THROUGH CITIZENS
10:09:13PM WHICH I'M VERY THANKFUL, OF COURSE, THAT THE STATE OF
10:09:15PM FLORIDA HAS SET UP, BUT EVEN AS A RESPONSIBLE WORKER WHO IS
10:09:20PM FAIRLY SUCCESSFUL, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT MY ABILITY TO OBTAIN
10:09:25PM AND AFFORD HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE IN THE FUTURE.
10:09:27PM THAT'S TO SAY NOTHING FOR MY OLDER NEIGHBORS WHO MIGHT NOT
10:09:30PM BE WORKING ANYMORE AND THEY MAY NOT HAVE THE SAME ABILITY.
10:09:34PM MY LAST POINT RELATES TO THE CHANGING QUALITY OF LIFE AS A
10:09:39PM BAYSHORE RESIDENT.
10:09:40PM IN THE PAST TEN YEARS, I'VE NOTICED AN INCREASE IN NOISE AND
10:09:44PM CONGESTION.
10:09:45PM BAYSHORE IS INCREASINGLY NOISY AND UNFORTUNATELY UNPLEASANT
10:09:49PM TO LIVE IN, WALK AROUND AND KIND OF BE AROUND.
10:09:54PM INCREASED TRAFFIC AND AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF LOUD CARS
10:09:57PM AND MOTORCYCLES THAT JUST ARE KIND OF NATURAL CONSEQUENCES
10:10:00PM OF DEVELOPMENT MAKE IT REALLY DIFFICULT TO ENJOY MY BELOVED
10:10:06PM LONG WALKS ON BAYSHORE AND EVEN FRANKLY TO SIT IN MY HOME.
10:10:09PM MY OFFICE IS ON THE TOP FLOOR OF MY TOWNHOME AND IT FACES
10:10:13PM BAYSHORE AND IT'S VERY NOISY.
10:10:16PM AGAIN, A CONSEQUENCE OF DEVELOPMENT.
10:10:18PM I'D LIKE TO CONCLUDE BY JUST SHARING WHAT I VALUE ABOUT
10:10:23PM TAMPA IS UNIQUE URBAN EXPERIENCE.
10:10:26PM I ENJOY BEING A MEMBER OF THE SOUTH OF GANDY COMMUNITY
10:10:29PM GARDEN.
10:10:29PM I ENJOY THE OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND WORLD-CLASS MAJOR LEAGUE
10:10:33PM SPORTING EVENTS, BEAUTIFUL, GREAT RESTAURANTS.
10:10:37PM THE HOTELS THAT WE HAVE HERE AND THEN GO SATURDAY MORNING
10:10:40PM AND MEET MY FRIENDS AND PUT MY HANDS IN THE DIRT AND DIG,
10:10:44PM PULL UP MY OWN RADISHES, CARROTS, STRAWBERRIES.
10:10:49PM I REALLY APPRECIATE THE BALANCE BEING HERE.
10:10:51PM I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE LOSING WITH THE CUMULATIVE IMPACT
10:10:58PM OF DEVELOPMENT ON BAYSHORE, WE'RE NOT MIAMI.
10:11:00PM WE'RE TAMPA.
10:11:02PM I'M CONCERNED WITH THE ADDITION, WITH EACH ADDITION OF
10:11:06PM HIGH-RISE WE LOSE THE CHARACTER THAT MAKES US TAMPA.
10:11:10PM TREES, GREEN GRASS AND FRESH AIR THAT WE HAVE NOW ARE EASY
10:11:13PM TO TAKE FOR GRANTED BUT IT BECOMES -- THEY ALL BECOME
10:11:16PM INCREASINGLY PRECIOUS WITH EACH CONCRETE BLOCK THAT CHANGES
10:11:20PM THE FACE OF BAYSHORE.
10:11:22PM THANK YOU.
10:11:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:11:23PM THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:11:27PM NOW WE GO TO REBUTTAL.
10:11:35PM >> I KNOW IT'S GETTING LATE.
10:11:37PM TWO REQUESTS.
10:11:38PM JAKE CREMER FOR THE RECORD.
10:11:40PM WE'VE BEEN LISTENING TO PUBLIC COMMENT SINCE ABOUT 6:30.
10:11:47PM I THINK NORMALLY I WOULD GET FIVE MINUTES.
10:11:49PM I WOULD ASK IF I COULD HAVE 12 MINUTES TOTAL AND WE TAKE A
10:11:52PM THREE-MINUTE RECESS SO WE CAN GATHER OUR THOUGHTS AND GET
10:11:55PM OUT OF HERE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
10:12:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD MAKE A MOTION FOR 15 MINUTE
10:12:04PM REBUTTAL CONSIDERING THE AMOUNT OF TESTIMONY WE'VE HEARD
10:12:06PM TONIGHT.
10:12:07PM I THINK THAT WOULD BE REASONABLE.
10:12:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT?
10:12:11PM >>LUIS VIERA: I'LL SECOND.
10:12:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE IS A SECOND.
10:12:14PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:12:15PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO MAKE SURE, YOU HAVE 15 MINUTES,
10:12:20PM DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE MINUTES ON THE OTHER SIDE?
10:12:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE MAXIMUM WAS TEN MINUTES WITH THE
10:12:32PM SPEAKER WAIVER FORM.
10:12:34PM WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND FOR 15 MINUTES.
10:12:39PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
10:12:43PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO.
10:12:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES.
10:12:46PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
10:12:48PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:12:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
10:12:52PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:12:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
10:12:57PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY -- SORRY, SORRY,
10:13:01PM SORRY.
10:13:01PM IT'S 4 OVER 3.
10:13:10PM IT'S 4 FOR YES AND 3 FOR NO.
10:13:16PM HURTAK, MIRANDA AND MANISCALCO VOTING NO.
10:13:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND THERE WAS A REQUEST TO TAKE A RECESS?
10:13:23PM YOU HAD ASKED FOR A TIME --
10:13:28PM >> IN LIGHT OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT SINCE 6:30, JUST A BRIEF
10:13:34PM BREAK.
10:13:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHEN DO YOU WANT THE BREAK, NOW?
10:13:36PM >> YES, SIR.
10:13:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU WANT A THREE-MINUTE RECESS.
10:13:40PM WE'LL RECESS FOR THREE MINUTES.
10:13:44PM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
10:13:44PM [RECESS]
10:19:44PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
10:19:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
10:19:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
10:19:46PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT.
10:19:48PM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
10:19:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
10:19:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
10:19:50PM >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
10:19:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO THE MOTION -- YOU HAVE 15 MINUTES
10:19:55PM REBUTTAL, SIR.
10:19:57PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND START THE CLOCK.
10:19:59PM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
10:20:00PM JAKE CREMER FOR THE RELATED GROUP.
10:20:02PM I HAVE SEVERAL EXPERTS FOR YOU AND THEN BRING IT IN FOR A
10:20:05PM CLOSE.
10:20:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:20:06PM PLEASE COME ON UP AND STATE YOUR NAME.
10:20:10PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON OR GOOD EVENING.
10:20:11PM STEVE HENRY, LINKS AND ASSOCIATES.
10:20:14PM 33607.
10:20:16PM YOU HEARD TRAFFIC EXPERT REGARDING TRAFFIC TODAY.
10:20:21PM ONE OF THEM WAS THE QUEUING AT YSABELLA AND BAY TO BAY AND
10:20:26PM ALSO THE CUT-THRU TRAFFIC.
10:20:28PM THE REALITY IS THAT THIS PROJECT WILL SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE
10:20:30PM THE TRAFFIC GOING FROM A DAY CARE TO THE 38 CONDOS.
10:20:34PM ACTUALLY A REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC.
10:20:37PM IT'S NOT GOING TO INCREASE THE CUT-THRU.
10:20:39PM NOT GOING TO INCREASE THE QUEUING.
10:20:43PM IT ACTUALLY WILL DECREASE THOSE.
10:20:46PM WON'T AFFECT THE CUT-THRU BUT WILL DECREASE THE QUEUING
10:20:49PM BECAUSE DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT YOU SEE DURING
10:20:52PM THE PEAK HOURS.
10:20:53PM THANK YOU.
10:20:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:20:56PM YES, SIR, COME ON UP.
10:20:58PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:20:59PM >> ARTIE CINTRON.
10:21:01PM KIMLEY-HORN, CIVIL CONSULTANT.
10:21:03PM 201 NORTH FRANKLIN.
10:21:05PM QUICKLY TOUCH BASE ON SOME OF THE STORMWATER AND FLOODPLAIN
10:21:10PM POINTS.
10:21:10PM THE SITE WILL BE REQUIRED TO RETAIN AND PLANNING ITS
10:21:13PM STORMWATER COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA REQUIREMENTS
10:21:15PM RESULTING IN DISCHARGE LEVEL SIGNIFICANTLY BELOW
10:21:18PM PREDEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS.
10:21:20PM 20 TO 30 PERCENT REDUCTION IN THE RATE THAT CURRENTLY LEAVES
10:21:24PM THE SITE RIGHT NOW.
10:21:25PM ADDITIONALLY, THE SITE LOWERS THE IMPERVIOUS AREA OR IN THE
10:21:28PM POST CONDITION LOWERS IMPERVIOUS AREA THAT IT IS TODAY.
10:21:32PM THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE FEMA FLOOD ZONE AE OF
10:21:36PM ELEVATION 11.
10:21:37PM THE SITE WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE AT LEAST ONE FOOT ABOVE THAT
10:21:40PM BASE LEVEL ELEVATION SIMILAR TO ALL OF THE OTHER TOWERS IN
10:21:45PM THAT BASE FLOOD.
10:21:46PM HERE TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
10:21:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
10:21:49PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:21:50PM YES, SIR.
10:21:51PM COME ON UP.
10:21:52PM STATE YOUR NAME.
10:21:54PM >> DAVID SMITH, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT, STEARNS WEAVER
10:21:59PM MILLER.
10:22:00PM I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
10:22:01PM THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION TONIGHT BY THE EXPERT
10:22:05PM THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED BY ALTURA AND THE GARDENS.
10:22:10PM THERE IS A SIMILAR THING THAT PERMEATES ALL THE DISCUSSION.
10:22:15PM IT IS A MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE LAND
10:22:18PM DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE CONSISTENCY MATRIX.
10:22:21PM YOUR STAFF -- FOUND BOTH OF THESE CONSISTENT WITH THE
10:22:26PM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND
10:22:28PM DEVELOPMENT CODE.
10:22:29PM THE REASON YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IN THE STAFF REPORT ALL THE
10:22:34PM THINGS THAT THEIR EXPERTS REPORT IS BECAUSE THOSE HAVE BEEN
10:22:37PM EVALUATED AND DETERMINED THEY ARE NOT ISSUES.
10:22:39PM SO WHAT I WANT TO CLARIFY IS THAT THIS IS A CASE STUDY THAT
10:22:43PM WAS DONE, THAT WE'VE DONE THAT LOOKED AT IF YOU TOOK THE
10:22:49PM ASSUMPTION THAT IN R 35 YOU CAN ONLY HAVE 8-STORY BUILDINGS,
10:22:54PM WHAT THAT IMPACT WOULD MEAN TO EVERY DECISION YOU'VE
10:22:57PM RECENTLY MADE RELATIVE TO THE WAY THEY HAVE INTERPRETED IT.
10:23:02PM HERE YOU HAVE R-35, ADALIA BAYFRONT CONDOMINIUM.
10:23:14PM DEVELOPED AT 10 STORIES.
10:23:16PM RM 24 AS THEY SAY IN THE REPORT.
10:23:20PM 24 AND 35 IS THE HIGHEST ZONING YOU CAN HAVE YOU CAN ONLY
10:23:24PM HAVE FIVE STORIES.
10:23:25PM CLEARLY THIS IS DEVELOPED AT TEN STORIES.
10:23:27PM IT'S NOT DEVELOPED AT 50 FEET AND TALL.
10:23:31PM THE ALTURA, ALTURA IS, HATE TO SAY IT, WE GOT OURS. YOU
10:23:38PM CAN'T HAVE YOURS.
10:23:41PM TOO BAD.
10:23:42PM IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMP PLAN CATEGORY, CMU 35.
10:23:46PM YOU TAKE THE ASSUMPTION MADE BY THE EXPERT.
10:23:49PM GO TO THE CATEGORY, IT SAYS RM 24 IS THE EUCLIDEAN ZONING
10:23:53PM THAT APPLIES.
10:23:55PM MOST STORIES YOU CAN HAVE, 50 FEET.
10:23:58PM FIVE STORIES.
10:23:59PM IT IS NOT APPROVED AT 50 FEET, FIVE STORIES AND IT WAS FOUND
10:24:03PM CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CONSISTENT WITH THE
10:24:05PM LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
10:24:06PM RITZ CARLSON, SIMILAR.
10:24:08PM R-50.
10:24:09PM 27 STORIES.
10:24:11PM 8 STORIES IS WHAT IT SAYS TYPICAL IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN,
10:24:15PM TYPICAL CATEGORIES, BUT IF YOU GO TO THE CONSISTENCY MATRIX,
10:24:19PM IT WOULD SAY RM 35 IS THE ZONING CATEGORY.
10:24:22PM THAT WOULD BE CAPPED AT 120 FEET.
10:24:25PM CLEARLY THAT DEVELOPMENT IS NOT AT 120 FEET.
10:24:28PM IT IS OVER 308.
10:24:31PM SIMILAR -- LASTLY, THE YMCA, SIMILAR ARGUMENTS, RENOVATIONS
10:24:37PM BEING DONE.
10:24:38PM PROPOSE PD AMENDMENT.
10:24:39PM WE WANT TO KEEP THE Y.
10:24:41PM WE WANT TO BUILD A NEW ONE, SAVE THE HISTORIC USES, SERVE
10:24:45PM THE COMMUNITY.
10:24:47PM HERE WE ARE.
10:24:48PM THEY HAD CC-35 AND DID A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT TO UMU 60.
10:24:53PM WHEN YOU LOOK AT CC-35, THE HEIGHTS WOULD BE FIVE STORIES.
10:24:56PM LOOK AT UMU 60, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT WOULD BE 200 FEET.
10:25:01PM THE YMCA PROPERTIES WERE APPROVED AT HIGHER THAN 200 FEET.
10:25:07PM SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO POINT OUT IS THAT WHILE THE EXPERTS
10:25:10PM THAT THEY HAVE HIRED HAVE LOOKED AT THE CODE, IT'S TYPICALLY
10:25:14PM ANOTHER PERSON FROM OUT OF TOWN LOOKING AT IT, SAYING THIS
10:25:16PM IS WHAT THE CODE SAYS.
10:25:18PM YOUR STAFF HAS LOOKED AT IT, THEY KNOW WHAT THE CODE SAYS.
10:25:22PM COMP PLAN LOOKED AT BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
10:25:24PM THEY KNOW WHAT IT SAYS.
10:25:25PM THE STUDIES HERE SHOW THAT PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED
10:25:28PM DO NOT FOLLOW THAT LINE OF THINKING IN THEORY.
10:25:33PM THEREFORE, THESE PROJECTS APPROVED HIGHER THAN WHAT THEY
10:25:38PM CLAIM THEY WOULD BE CAPPED AT BASED UPON THEIR READING OF
10:25:40PM THE CONSISTENCY MATRIX.
10:25:42PM THAT IS ALL BECAUSE I KNOW IT IS A LATE NIGHT.
10:25:46PM BUT I THINK THAT PERMEATES A LOT OF THE CONVERSATIONS.
10:25:48PM A LOT OF R-35, YOU CAN'T BE HIGHER.
10:25:52PM ONE LAST COMMENT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, JUST BECAUSE R-35
10:25:55PM DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF HIGH-RISES IN IT DOESN'T MEAN THE
10:25:58PM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DIDN'T PROVIDE FOR THEM TO BE THERE.
10:26:01PM IT JUST MEANS THAT WHEN YOU TYPICALLY PUT A CATEGORY ON A
10:26:04PM LAND USE MAP, YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS THERE NOW THAT WE NEED TO
10:26:08PM DESIGNATE IT SO IT'S NOT NONCONFORMING AND TO PROVIDE
10:26:13PM POTENTIAL GROWTH WHICH IS PROVIDED FOR IN THE STANDARDS THAT
10:26:17PM ALLOW FOR THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT THAT'S PROPOSED.
10:26:19PM GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK IT IS SOMETHING
10:26:25PM THAT NEEDED TO BE SAID IN THE LAST TWO HEARINGS AND TRY TO
10:26:30PM CLEAR THE RECORD TONIGHT.
10:26:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:26:32PM >> JAKE CREMER AGAIN.
10:26:35PM THE IRONY OF WHAT THE OPPOSING EXPERT HAD TO TELL US IS THAT
10:26:40PM WE COULD BUILD UP TO AN EIGHT STORY BUILDING.
10:26:43PM WHAT HE DIDN'T TELL YOU THAT WOULD INCREASE THE IMPACTS ON
10:26:49PM HIS CLIENT, THAT WOULD DO AWAY WITH THE GRAND TREES ON THE
10:26:53PM SITE.
10:26:53PM THAT WOULD LEAVE THE ADJACENT PROPERTY RATHER THAN THE
10:26:56PM 30-FOOT TALL SYNAGOGUE THAT'S THERE NOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO
10:26:58PM PUT A DEED RESTRICTION ON.
10:27:01PM ALLOW US TO GO UP TO 8 STORIES.
10:27:03PM MUCH, MUCH TALLER.
10:27:05PM I'M NOT SAYING WE WANT TO DO THIS.
10:27:07PM THIS IS THE CONTEXT THAT WE'RE LIVING IN AT THE SYNAGOGUE.
10:27:13PM THIS IS THE CONTEXT WE'RE DEALING WITH -- THIS IS WHERE WE
10:27:19PM COME FROM.
10:27:20PM STARTED OUT TONIGHT BY TELLING YOU I WISH WHAT I WAS SHOWING
10:27:23PM YOU TONIGHT WAS THE FIRST THING YOU SAW.
10:27:26PM THOSE WEREN'T THE CARDS WE WERE DEALT.
10:27:30PM IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT.
10:27:31PM IT'S BEEN A SERIES OF LONG NIGHTS.
10:27:33PM IT'S BEEN THREE LONG YEARS.
10:27:35PM COUNCIL, I'M HERE BEFORE YOU WITH ABOUT TEN HOURS OF SLEEP
10:27:46PM OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS.
10:27:47PM MY DAUGHTER CARMEN WAS BORN.
10:27:49PM SHE'S GOING TO BE A FOURTH GENERATION TAMPANIA.
10:27:53PM I WANT HER TO BE PROUD OF THE CITY.
10:27:55PM THIS BUILDING, THIS IS WHAT WE CAN BE PROUD OF IN THE CITY.
10:27:59PM IT'S BEEN HARD.
10:28:01PM WE ARM WRESTLED.
10:28:03PM WE FOUGHT.
10:28:03PM WE YELLED.
10:28:05PM WE ARE THERE.
10:28:05PM THIS IS IT.
10:28:06PM THANK YOU.
10:28:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
10:28:12PM ANYTHING FURTHER, MR. CREMER.
10:28:14PM ANYTHING FURTHER?
10:28:15PM THAT'S IT.
10:28:16PM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
10:28:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT
10:28:23PM THAT I'M NOT SURE OF BECAUSE I HEARD IN THE BEGINNING OF THE
10:28:26PM DISCUSSION ABOUT TEN FOOT SIDEWALKS ON YSABELLA.
10:28:30PM DESCRIBE WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR SIDEWALK AND MOBILITY ON
10:28:33PM YSABELLA AND ALSO ON -- IS IT BARCELONA?
10:28:38PM WHAT IS THE OTHER STREET?
10:28:40PM BARCELONA.
10:28:41PM WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR BARCELONA AND CAN YOU DESCRIBE YOUR
10:28:45PM SIDEWALK PLAN FOR YSABELLA?
10:28:46PM >> YES, SIR.
10:28:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND YOUR WIFE HAD A BABY THIS WEEK?
10:28:56PM CONGRATULATIONS.
10:28:58PM >> THANK YOU.
10:28:58PM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN, ON BARCELONA, RATHER THAN A FIVE FOOT
10:29:11PM SIDEWALK ON OUR SIDE WE'LL HAVE A SIX FOOT.
10:29:14PM ON YSABELLA RATHER THAN FIVE FOOT WE'LL HAVE THE EIGHT FOOT
10:29:19PM SIDEWALK.
10:29:20PM AND THIS MAY BE GOING FURTHER THAN YOUR QUESTION, MAYBE NOT.
10:29:25PM THE CHANGE THAT WE HAD REQUESTED MS. CARPENTER SPOKE ABOUT,
10:29:31PM MID BLOCK CROSSING HERE AND THE SIDEWALK EXTENSION, SO WHAT
10:29:35PM WE DID AFTER DISCUSSIONS WITH HER AND THE COMMUNITY MEETING
10:29:38PM IS WE ADDED A SECOND SIDEWALK EXTENSION A LITTLE BIT FURTHER
10:29:40PM UP.
10:29:41PM THIS IS JUST OUTSIDE OF THE PRESBYTERIAN APARTMENTS.
10:29:44PM WE MOVED THE CROSSWALK UP FURTHER NORTH.
10:29:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHERE DID I GET TEN FOOT?
10:29:49PM BECAUSE I WROTE DOWN TEN FOOT SIDEWALK.
10:29:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SIX FOOT.
10:29:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SIX AND EIGHT YOU SAID?
10:29:58PM >> YES.
10:29:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SIX ON BARCELONA AND EIGHT FOOT ON
10:30:02PM YSABELLA.
10:30:03PM >> YES, SIR.
10:30:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS THAT THE ONLY, LIKE, NEIGHBORHOOD
10:30:09PM BENEFIT THAT'S BEING PROVIDED IN THIS AGREEMENT?
10:30:12PM >> WE ALSO ARE GOING TO BE RESURFACING BARCELONA AND
10:30:16PM YSABELLA AFTER THE CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETED.
10:30:19PM WE'VE GOT NOTES ON THE SITE PLAN SHOWING WE'LL IMPROVE
10:30:23PM STREET LIGHTING.
10:30:24PM THAT WAS ANOTHER ISSUE WE HEARD ABOUT IN OUR COMMUNITY
10:30:26PM MEETINGS.
10:30:27PM AGAIN THE MID BLOCK CROSSING, WE THINK THAT IS ESSENTIAL FOR
10:30:31PM SAFETY BASED ON ALL THE COMMENTS WE HEARD.
10:30:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO STAFF IS PAVING AND STREET LIGHTING
10:30:39PM INCLUDED IN THE PLAN?
10:30:44PM >>LaCHONE DOCK: YES.
10:30:45PM LaCHONE DOCK, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
10:30:48PM THAT IS CORRECT.
10:30:48PM THAT IS INCLUDED.
10:30:49PM THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED ARE EITHER NOTATED
10:30:52PM ON THE SITE PLAN DIRECTLY OR THEY ARE INCLUDED AS A PART OF
10:30:55PM THE GENERAL NOTES.
10:30:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:30:58PM >>LaCHONE DOCK: ABSOLUTELY.
10:30:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:31:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, I'M SORRY.
10:31:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:31:02PM >>BILL CARLSON: JAKE, CONGRATULATIONS.
10:31:05PM I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW YOU GUYS -- CONGRATULATIONS.
10:31:10PM THE CASE STUDY SLIDE THAT WAS PRESENTED A FEW MINUTES AGO
10:31:15PM HAD THE OPPOSITE IMPACT ON ME BECAUSE THE WAY I LOOK AT IT,
10:31:20PM JUST BECAUSE SOME PRIOR COUNCIL MADE A MISTAKE DOESN'T MEAN
10:31:27PM THAT WE SHOULD DO THE SAME THING.
10:31:29PM CAN YOU PUT BACK -- THAT ACTUALLY HAD THE REVERSE IMPACT ON
10:31:35PM ME.
10:31:36PM CAN YOU PUT BACK THE SLIDE OF THE EIGHT STORIES, PLEASE,
10:31:38PM WITH THE TREES?
10:31:39PM THE ONE THAT HAS THE WHOLE FOOTPRINT -- THE ONE YOU PUT UP A
10:31:46PM FEW MINUTES AGO.
10:31:47PM IN MY MIND -- DO YOU HAVE THAT ONE -- THE ONE THAT SHOWS IF
10:32:02PM YOU TOOK THE WHOLE FOOTPRINT OF THE LAND.
10:32:04PM COULD YOU MAKE THE ARGUMENT -- TO ME, THIS IS -- THIS
10:32:11PM POTENTIALLY IS ONE OF THE COMPELLING ARGUMENTS.
10:32:13PM BUT COULD YOU MAKE THE ARGUMENT, OKAY, SINCE WE'RE
10:32:16PM ACCOMMODATING THE GRAND TREES AND KEEPING AND PROTECTING THE
10:32:19PM SYNAGOGUE, HOW DO ON A SQUARE FOOT BASIS OR HEIGHT BASIS,
10:32:24PM CAN YOU SHOW ONE FOR ONE, WE HAVE THE SETBACK 20 FEET FOR A
10:32:28PM TREE SO THAT PUTS US UP ANOTHER TEN FEET OR SOMETHING.
10:32:31PM WHAT IS THE MATH TO THIS THAT GETS YOU UP TO WHERE YOU ALL
10:32:34PM ARE?
10:32:34PM IS THERE A MATH JUSTIFICATION FOR IT?
10:32:38PM SO WE PROTECT FOUR TREES, BECAUSE OF THAT WE HAD TO GO UP
10:32:42PM TWO FLOORS.
10:32:42PM BECAUSE WE PROTECT THE SYNAGOGUE, UP TWO FLOORS.
10:32:46PM HOW DO YOU GET UP TO THE DOUBLE HEIGHT FROM HERE?
10:32:49PM >> I THINK, COUNCILMAN, I CAN'T SHOW YOU A MATHEMATICAL
10:32:54PM FORMULA.
10:32:54PM BUT, YES, IT'S THE SITE CONSTRAINTS KEEPING IN MIND THAT WE
10:32:59PM DON'T HAVE ANY WAIVERS, NONE.
10:33:02PM WE REMOVED ONE PREEXISTING WAIVER.
10:33:04PM AS YOU ALL KNOW, HOW MANY APPLICATIONS DO YOU SEE WITH NO
10:33:08PM WAIVERS AND REMOVING WAIVERS?
10:33:11PM WHEN YOU DO ALL OF THAT AND SHRINK THE FOOTPRINT --
10:33:14PM >>BILL CARLSON: DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THIS,
10:33:18PM VERSUS THIS FOOTPRINT, EIGHT STORIES VERSUS WHAT YOU'RE
10:33:20PM PROPOSING?
10:33:21PM >> I DON'T.
10:33:27PM >>BILL CARLSON: WELL, IN THEORY.
10:33:28PM SOMEBODY JUST PUT THIS ON A MAP.
10:33:30PM I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE MATH RELATED TO IT.
10:33:33PM THE LAST QUESTION, THIS IS LEGISLATIVE, BUT THE LAWYERS --
10:33:43PM THIS IS LEGISLATIVE BUT THE LAWYERS ALSO TOLD US WE SHOULD
10:33:47PM TREAT IS LIKE QUASI-JUDICIAL AND LOOK AT COMPETENT,
10:33:50PM SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
10:33:53PM IF A HUNDRED PEOPLE IN RED SHIRTS COME AND SAY WE DON'T LIKE
10:33:56PM BLUE HOUSES, THAT'S NOT COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
10:34:00PM THE FACT THAT IT IS A RELIGIOUS PLACE AND THAT IT IS A
10:34:08PM CERTAIN RELIGION IS NOT COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE UNDER
10:34:10PM THE OTHER TEST.
10:34:11PM COULD YOU JUST MAKE -- YOU'VE MADE YOUR REBUTTAL BUT COULD
10:34:16PM MAKE YOUR LAST BEST ARGUMENT FOR WHY MAYBE THIS FOOTPRINT,
10:34:21PM WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS BETTER THAN THIS FOOTPRINT BUT ALSO
10:34:24PM WHAT IS THE BEST CASE FOR THE PROPOSAL?
10:34:27PM I KNOW YOU'RE TIRED AND WE'RE ALL TIRED, BUT THE FINAL BEST
10:34:32PM CASE FOR IT.
10:34:35PM >> SURE.
10:34:36PM SO I WILL SAY I'M ON THE LEGAL SIDE.
10:34:39PM THIS IS A SETTLEMENT.
10:34:40PM I DIDN'T WANT TO GET INTO A WHOLE LOT OF LEGAL MUMBO JUMBO
10:34:43PM TONIGHT.
10:34:44PM I WILL SAY THERE IS CASE LAW OUT THERE THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO
10:34:47PM BE VERY CAREFUL WHEN DEALING WITH RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS
10:34:51PM BECAUSE YOU CAN'T ACCIDENTALLY TREAT THEM DIFFERENTLY.
10:34:56PM I REVIEWED EVERY DENIAL THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS ISSUED IN THE
10:34:59PM PAST TEN YEARS.
10:35:03PM THIS CASE A YEAR AGO IS THE ONLY TIME IN A RESOLUTION THAT
10:35:07PM COUNCIL HAS EVER USED THE TYPICAL EIGHT STORIES IN A DENIAL
10:35:12PM FOR A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION.
10:35:13PM I'M NOT SAYING ANYONE DID THIS ON PURPOSE.
10:35:16PM I'M JUST SAYING THE CASE LAW SAYS YOU HAVE TO BE VERY
10:35:19PM CAREFUL YOU DON'T EVEN ACCIDENTALLY TREAT A RELIGIOUS
10:35:23PM INSTITUTION DIFFERENTLY.
10:35:24PM I THINK THE COMP PLAN LANGUAGE, IT SAYS TYPICAL FOR A
10:35:28PM REZONE.
10:35:29PM IT SAYS TYPICAL BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE START THE
10:35:34PM CONVERSATION.
10:35:35PM AND WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU END UP WHEN YOU USE THE WORD TYPICAL
10:35:47PM -- WHEN YOU END UP WITH -- WHEN YOU USE THE WORD TYPICAL,
10:35:53PM YOU END UP WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT YOU SEE HERE,
10:35:56PM WHICH TO YOUR POINT, COUNCILMAN, IT ENDS UP WITH EVERY
10:36:01PM COUNCIL THINKING ABOUT IT DIFFERENTLY.
10:36:04PM AND THAT'S NOT FAIR TO ANYONE.
10:36:06PM IT'S NOT FAIR TO LANDOWNERS.
10:36:07PM IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE NEIGHBORS.
10:36:09PM IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE COMMUNITY.
10:36:10PM AND THAT'S A SITUATION WE HAVE UNFORTUNATELY FOUND OURSELVES
10:36:14PM IN.
10:36:17PM COUNCILMAN, ONE OF OUR TEAM MEMBERS JUST SHOWED ME A GRAPHIC
10:36:22PM HERE GOING BACK TO THE EIGHT STORIES.
10:36:27PM WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS ROUGHLY 220,000 GROSS SQUARE
10:36:34PM FEET.
10:36:35PM AND THEN KEEP IN MIND WE'RE DOWN TO 196.
10:36:42PM SO WE HAVE SHRUNK THE BUILDING AND MADE IT SMALLER BECAUSE
10:36:47PM WE THINK THE IMPACTS ARE LESS THAT WAY ON THE ENTIRE
10:36:51PM COMMUNITY.
10:36:56PM >>BILL CARLSON: ONE LAST QUESTION.
10:37:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME GO BACK IN HISTORY A LITTLE BIT.
10:37:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT A MINUTE.
10:37:03PM LET HIM FINISH AND I'LL GO TO YOU.
10:37:06PM IT'S GOING TO BE CARLSON, CLENDENIN, MIRANDA.
10:37:08PM >>BILL CARLSON: IT'S A LATE NIGHT, BUT IF IT WAS EARLY IN
10:37:11PM THE NIGHT WE WOULD BE ASKING MORE QUESTIONS.
10:37:14PM I THINK WE HAVE TO TREAT IT LIKE IT'S EARLY IN THE NIGHT.
10:37:17PM SORRY, EVERYBODY.
10:37:18PM ONE OTHER THING, JAKE, IS THAT THERE IS THE ARGUMENT MADE
10:37:25PM THAT INVESTORS, PEOPLE WHO BUY PROPERTY WANT PREDICTABILITY.
10:37:30PM AND PREDICTABILITY IS WHAT'S IN THE CODE.
10:37:33PM SO THEY EXPECT, THEY INVEST AROUND A PROPERTY AND WE HAD A
10:37:37PM LOT OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMEOWNERS COME HERE TONIGHT, BUT
10:37:40PM INVEST AROUND A PROPERTY WITH PREDICTABILITY THAT PEOPLE
10:37:43PM WILL FOLLOW THE CODE AND THE GOVERNMENT WILL FOLLOW THE
10:37:46PM CODE.
10:37:47PM IN A CASE LIKE THIS YOU ALL ARE ASKING FOR SOMETHING
10:37:49PM DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS PREDICTABLE.
10:37:51PM SO WHAT'S THE ARGUMENT -- MY LAST QUESTION -- WHAT IS THE
10:37:56PM ARGUMENT FOR ALL THE PEOPLE EXPECTING PREDICTABILITY AND NOW
10:38:00PM WE CHANGE THE RULES ON THEM?
10:38:15PM >> COUNCILMAN, I THINK THIS GOES BACK TO THE BAR CHART I
10:38:20PM SHOWED EARLIER WHERE IF YOU RECALL WE PLOTTED OUT THE
10:38:23PM HEIGHTS OF ALL THE DIFFERENT COLORS IN THE BAYSHORE GARDENS
10:38:27PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:38:27PM WE HAD A STAR.
10:38:29PM YOU MIGHT RECALL ALMOST ALL OF THOSE HAD A STAR BECAUSE THEY
10:38:34PM WERE NEAR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
10:38:36PM WHAT THAT TELLS YOU IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, IN SOME CASES,
10:38:41PM CERTAINLY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, SINGLE-FAMILY IS COMPATIBLE
10:38:44PM WITH RESIDENTIAL AND WITH THESE TYPES OF RESIDENCES.
10:38:48PM THAT'S WHAT WE'VE SEEN.
10:38:50PM THAT IS THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IN THIS
10:38:52PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:38:53PM I WANT TO BE CLEAR, IT'S BETTER FOR THAT.
10:38:55PM IT'S NOT A BAD THING.
10:38:56PM THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS BETTER BECAUSE OF THE MIX OF TYPES OF
10:38:59PM HOUSING.
10:39:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, I'LL GO TO YOU FIRST
10:39:06PM AND THEN COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
10:39:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
10:39:08PM BACK IN '74 IT WAS DUNCAN, COPELAND, SPICOLA, PLATT,
10:39:16PM FREEDMAN, BARJA AND MYSELF.
10:39:19PM BARJA WAS THE FIRST FEMALE ELECTED IN 1971 AND IN '74, TWO
10:39:25PM MORE, JAN PLATT AND SANDY FREEDMAN.
10:39:28PM THAT MAKES THREE.
10:39:29PM I REMEMBER THEN, THEN THEY WERE REELECTED IN '75.
10:39:35PM ONE-YEAR TERM WHEN GRECO LEFT TO GO WORK FOR -- GOT
10:39:40PM APPOINTED CHAIRMAN WAS CHENEY BECAME THE MAYOR AND HE DIED A
10:39:44PM FEW MONTHS LATER.
10:39:45PM THAT'S WHY THEY HAD TO HAVE A SPECIAL ELECTION IN '74.
10:39:50PM IF MY MIND SERVES ME CORRECTLY, BETWEEN SOMETIME IN '76 TO
10:39:57PM '79, THIS COUNCIL, THAT COUNCIL I'M TALKING ABOUT, YOU CAN
10:40:02PM VERIFY THIS, FIND IT IN THE RECORD SOMEWHERE, WE ALLOWED
10:40:05PM FOUR TO FIVE BUILDINGS TO BE BUILT.
10:40:08PM THAT WAS IT.
10:40:10PM NOW HOW MANY DO WE HAVE?
10:40:12PM IS THAT CHANGE?
10:40:17PM WHAT IS THAT?
10:40:18PM USED TO HAVE AN ICONIC DRIVE LIKE NO OTHER CITY HAS.
10:40:28PM I WANT TO CARE ABOUT TAMPA LIKE THE REST OF US IN THIS ROOM.
10:40:32PM NOW YOU HAVE MUCH MORE THAN FOUR OR FIVE.
10:40:36PM LET ME GO BACK TO TRAFFIC.
10:40:39PM IF YOU GO DOWN BAY TO BAY AND MacDILL, THERE ARE TWO BIG
10:40:43PM TOWERS THERE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN FILLED BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT
10:40:46PM OPEN YET, I DON'T BELIEVE.
10:40:48PM WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THEN?
10:40:52PM JUST DOWN THE STREET THERE IS A WONDERFUL SCHOOL, GIRLS
10:40:56PM SCHOOL, ACADEMY OF HOLY NAMES.
10:40:58PM WONDERFUL.
10:40:59PM GREAT FOR THE COMMUNITY, GREAT FOR KIDS.
10:41:01PM GRADUATE BRILLIANT PEOPLE.
10:41:04PM ONLY PROBLEM IS YOU CAN'T MAKE A LEFT OR A RIGHT BECAUSE IT
10:41:09PM BACKS UP FROM THERE TO EUCLID AND THAT'S FIVE FOOTBALL
10:41:12PM FIELDS.
10:41:13PM THERE'S SOMETHING TO DO ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE THAT'S NEVER
10:41:20PM MENTIONED IN ZONING MATTERS.
10:41:21PM NEVER.
10:41:22PM MAYBE THAT'S WHY A LOT OF PEOPLE CUCKOO IN THE HEAD.
10:41:25PM I'M NOT SAYING IT'S ZONING.
10:41:27PM DON'T GET ME WRONG.
10:41:28PM RELATED GROUP A WELL-KNOWN COMPANY.
10:41:30PM DONE VERY WELL FOR THEMSELVES AND THE COMMUNITY AND BUILD
10:41:33PM GOOD PRODUCT.
10:41:33PM THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
10:41:36PM IT'S EITHER GREAT OR NOT SO GREAT AND IT'S NOT ABOUT THE
10:41:39PM RELATED OR YOU OR THE PUBLIC OR ANYTHING ELSE.
10:41:41PM IT IS ABOUT THE FACT THAT I SEE WHEN I DRIVE THAT STREET.
10:41:45PM I DRIVE IT VERY OFTEN.
10:41:50PM SO NO ONE IS ADDRESSING THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM.
10:41:54PM NEVER BEEN A TRAFFIC COUNT THAT I KNOW OF IN THE LAST FIVE
10:41:57PM YEARS, TEN YEARS, WHATEVER.
10:42:00PM WHAT ABOUT THE FLOODING?
10:42:00PM I WISH I COULD TELL YOU AND CONTROL AND SAY NO ONE WILL GET
10:42:09PM FLOODED AGAIN.
10:42:10PM I CAN'T.
10:42:11PM I WOULD BE LYING.
10:42:12PM FIRST OF ALL, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT NATURE IS GOING TO DO
10:42:14PM ANYMORE.
10:42:15PM NEVER SIX OR SEVEN HURRICANES COME OUT OF THE GULF.
10:42:18PM USUALLY MAKE A LAND TURN.
10:42:20PM THIS TIME MADE A RIGHT-HAND TURN.
10:42:22PM FURTHERMORE, THE HURRICANE, THE LAST ONE WOULD HAVE GONE 8
10:42:25PM MILES, TEN MILES THIS WAY, WE WOULDN'T BE TALKING HERE
10:42:30PM TODAY.
10:42:30PM WE WOULD STILL BE UNDER WATER.
10:42:32PM THE WAY IT CAME, IT TOOK THE WATER OUT OF THE BAY.
10:42:35PM EVEN THEN HAD WATER GOING OVER THE RAILING THERE.
10:42:38PM I'M TELLING MYSELF WHERE DOES IT START?
10:42:41PM DOES IT CONTINUE OR DOES IT STOP?
10:42:43PM I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE.
10:42:48PM YOU KNOW WHAT, I UNDERSTAND AND I'M NOT A LAWYER LIKE YOU
10:42:51PM GUYS.
10:42:52PM I'VE LISTENED TO LAWYERS TALK MY WHOLE LIFE.
10:42:55PM WHEN I WAS IN FINANCE.
10:42:58PM THREE IN THE FAMILY THAT ARE LAWYERS.
10:43:00PM I DON'T EVEN TALK TO THEM ABOUT LAW AND THANK GOD THEY DON'T
10:43:03PM TALK TO ME ABOUT LAW BECAUSE I WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND THEM.
10:43:06PM BUT THERE'S SOMETHING MISSING IN LIFE WHERE I DON'T KNOW
10:43:11PM WHERE TO START OR WHAT'S GOOD OR WHAT'S BAD ANYMORE.
10:43:16PM I HAVE NEVER SEEN A CASE, MAYBE A LEGAL DEPARTMENT, CITY OF
10:43:20PM TAMPA CAN CORRECT ME, WHERE WE GO AND SEND IT TO AN
10:43:25PM INDIVIDUAL LIKE A JUDGE.
10:43:26PM I'M NOT QUESTIONING THE JUDGE ABILITY.
10:43:29PM DON'T GET ME WRONG.
10:43:31PM EVERY MOTIVE AGAINST A DEVELOPER THAT I REMEMBER.
10:43:35PM DOES THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT REMEMBER BEING REVERSED?
10:43:39PM I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO ANSWER.
10:43:43PM THESE ARE THE THINGS I SAY AND STARTED LISTENING.
10:43:47PM ONLY THING I HAVE IS A BALD HEAD AND A GOOD MIND.
10:43:52PM I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND A LIFE A LOT MORE THAN I USED TO.
10:43:57PM WE COME FROM NOTHING.
10:43:58PM EVERYBODY WAS HAPPY.
10:43:59PM NOW MOST OF US HAVE A LOT AND NO ONE IS HAPPY.
10:44:02PM THAT BOTHERS ME.
10:44:03PM IT REALLY DOES.
10:44:05PM I DON'T WANT -- I DON'T WANT TO LIVE ON BRICKELL AVENUE.
10:44:16PM I WANT TO LIVE IN TAMPA LIKE IT WAS UP TO A POINT.
10:44:24PM USED TO HAVE A STREETCAR THAT WENT ALL THE WAY TO BALLAST
10:44:28PM POINT PARK.
10:44:29PM BAYSHORE CHANGED AGAIN.
10:44:31PM THERE'S NO STREETCAR.
10:44:33PM PEOPLE THAT REALLY NEED A JOB -- GONE.
10:44:39PM 50 MILES OF STREETCAR IS GONE.
10:44:42PM TRANSPORTATION IS NOT COMING BACK.
10:44:43PM DON'T GIVE A HOOT AND HOLLER BECAUSE YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO PUT
10:44:47PM IT IN.
10:44:48PM IT'S A LOSING PROPOSITION UNLESS YOU HAVE LIGHT RAIL
10:44:51PM OVERHEAD, NOT UNDER.
10:44:53PM STREETS CAN'T HANDLE IT NO MORE.
10:44:55PM TRAFFIC CAN'T HANDLE IT NO MORE.
10:44:58PM NOWHERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA CAN YOU GO AND SAY I'LL BE
10:45:00PM THERE IN 15 MINUTES.
10:45:02PM NOWHERE.
10:45:03PM IT IS WHAT IT IS AND WE ARE WHAT WE ARE.
10:45:09PM YOU GUYS TRY TO GET WHAT YOU GAIN AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
10:45:14PM BUT THE ICONIC VIEW IS GONE.
10:45:17PM NOT THAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO LAST FOREVER.
10:45:24PM BUT NOW THIS ONE GOES, THE OTHER ONE GOES, WHAT DO WE HAVE
10:45:30PM LEFT, BRICKELL AVENUE?
10:45:31PM I DON'T THINK ANYONE IN THIS ROOM WANTS IT TO BE BRICKELL
10:45:35PM AVENUE.
10:45:36PM SO I JUST GOT TALKING ABOUT THE ZONING MATTERS.
10:45:41PM I'M TALKING ABOUT THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WE'RE KILLING
10:45:44PM OURSELVES.
10:45:44PM NOT ONE OF THESE PROJECTS HAS ANYTHING FOR SOLAR, TO SAVE
10:45:50PM THE ENVIRONMENT, TO SAVE THE FOOTPRINT, BUT YET WE WANT TO
10:45:54PM GET APPROVED.
10:45:55PM NOT ONE.
10:45:56PM NOT ONE WHERE IT TALKED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT.
10:46:03PM WHAT DO YOU THINK THE HURRICANES ARE COMING FOR, TO MAKE
10:46:06PM FRIENDS?
10:46:06PM THEY HAVE NO FRIENDS.
10:46:07PM THE BAY WAS 2.5 DEGREES WARMER THIS YEAR THAN EVER BEFORE
10:46:13PM AND IT'S GOING TO GET WARMER.
10:46:16PM WHAT WE'RE FACING HERE IS A CATASTROPHE.
10:46:21PM THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:46:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY.
10:46:27PM SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS INTERESTING.
10:46:29PM I VOTED AGAINST THE PLAN LAST TIME.
10:46:34PM I WAS GOING TO TELL MY POSITIONS ON IT.
10:46:40PM DO YOU WANT TO CLOSE IT?
10:46:40PM MOTION TO CLOSE.
10:46:42PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECOND.
10:46:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU CAN DISCUSS IT AFTER YOU CLOSE THE
10:46:47PM HEARING.
10:46:47PM BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU'LL HAVE TO REOPEN THE
10:46:50PM HEARING.
10:46:50PM WHAT I'M GOING TO SUGGEST IS THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS THAT
10:46:55PM WERE MADE AND THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS WHETHER WE GIVE
10:47:02PM THE APPLICANT THE LAST WORD BEFORE YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC
10:47:08PM HEARING.
10:47:10PM IF YOU WANT TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING --
10:47:12PM >> NOT NEEDED.
10:47:13PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S FINE.
10:47:15PM HE WAIVES THAT.
10:47:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE AND A SECOND.
10:47:18PM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:47:18PM THE HEARING IS CLOSED.
10:47:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE HEARING IS CLOSED.
10:47:25PM I VOTED AGAINST THIS LAST TIME.
10:47:26PM A COUPLE OF REASONS WHY I VOTED AGAINST IT WAS THE MASSING,
10:47:31PM SPECIFICALLY THE MASSING UP AGAINST THE NEIGHBOR TO THE
10:47:34PM NORTH, THE GARDEN CLUB AND JUST THE GENERAL SCALE OF THE
10:47:41PM BUILDING.
10:47:43PM I WILL TELL YOU THAT FOR THIS DESIGN AND OTHER DESIGNS THAT
10:47:47PM COME IN THE FUTURE, IF YOU'RE ASKING ONE OUT OF SEVEN VOTES
10:47:50PM ON THIS COUNCIL, HEIGHT IS NOT A FACTOR FOR ME.
10:47:53PM SO THE HEIGHT OF THIS BUILDING WAS NEVER A FACTOR FOR ME.
10:47:56PM IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME.
10:47:57PM I'VE TRIED TO UNDERSTAND PEOPLE'S OPINIONS ON HEIGHT.
10:48:01PM I DON'T GET IT BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE WALKING ON THE STREET,
10:48:04PM UNLESS YOU ARE AT A DISTANCE, YOU CAN'T JUDGE THE DIFFERENCE
10:48:07PM BETWEEN 15 STORIES AND 25 STORIES.
10:48:09PM BETTER PERSON THAN I AM IF I'M WALKING ON A SIDEWALK AND
10:48:13PM KNOW THAT AND THE IMPACT IT HAS ON A NEIGHBORHOOD, I DON'T
10:48:16PM GET IT.
10:48:17PM I DO KNOW THE SYNAGOGUE IS AN IMPORTANT CULTURAL ASSET TO
10:48:23PM THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:48:24PM THE ARCHITECTURE, THE MENORAH'S PRESENCE ON THE BAYSHORE IS
10:48:29PM A SYMBOL FOR PART OF THE DIVERSITY OF THE CITY OF TAMPA AND
10:48:34PM WHAT WE STAND FOR.
10:48:35PM I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S VERY
10:48:37PM IMPORTANT.
10:48:38PM I THINK THAT WE ARE VERY -- THIS CITY IS VERY SENSITIVE TO
10:48:42PM THOSE TYPES OF SYMBOLS AND SYMBOLOLOGY AND WHAT THE CITY OF
10:48:47PM TAMPA REPRESENTS.
10:48:50PM I HOPE WE NEVER LOSE THAT BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I
10:48:53PM WANTED TO RAISE MY KIDS HERE, WE VALUE THESE TYPE OF THINGS.
10:48:57PM DIVERSE CITY, VERY INCLUSIVE CITY.
10:49:01PM I'VE GOT GOOD FRIENDS.
10:49:04PM THE IRONY IS MOST OF THE FRIENDS IN THIS ROOM ARE GARDEN
10:49:08PM CLUB FOLKS, PEOPLE IN SOUTH TAMPA.
10:49:10PM I LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA.
10:49:14PM I LIVE ON BAYSHORE.
10:49:15PM I'M IMPACTED BY A LOT OF THESE THINGS, TOO, BUT I THINK THE
10:49:17PM SCOPE AND SCALE -- AGAIN, THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS ABOUT THE
10:49:19PM PROJECT.
10:49:20PM IT'S STEPPED BACK AWAY FROM BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
10:49:23PM IT'S SCALED DOWN.
10:49:26PM IT'S KIND OF -- THOUGHTFUL.
10:49:29PM I LIKE THE LANDSCAPING.
10:49:31PM THEY ARE PLANTING ALL THESE LIVE OAK TREES.
10:49:33PM THE BUILDING IS ABUTTED UP AGAINST WHAT IS CURRENTLY USED.
10:49:39PM RIGHT NOW THE GARDEN CLUB IS USING THIS.
10:49:41PM IT IS A GRAVEL AND ASPHALT PARKING LOT WHERE THE BUILDING IS
10:49:43PM LOCATED.
10:49:45PM IT'S NOT AGAINST THE WEDDING VENUE.
10:49:47PM I SAID THIS IN THE FIRST HEARING AND SAY IT AGAIN.
10:49:50PM NOW WE LOCK THIS PLAN IN PLACE, IT REALLY PROTECTS THE
10:49:55PM GARDEN CLUB BECAUSE WHAT COULD POSSIBLY COME IN THE FUTURE,
10:49:59PM IF THE SYNAGOGUE WAS TO GO DEFUNCT, I GUARANTEE YOU THERE'S
10:50:03PM GOING TO BE A COUNCIL -- I SEE YOU SHAKING YOUR HEAD --
10:50:07PM THERE'S GOING TO BE A COUNCIL IN THE FUTURE IF THIS LAND
10:50:10PM WERE TO BECOME AVAILABLE THAT THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE
10:50:13PM DEVELOPED MORE INTENSE THAN IT IS CURRENTLY BEING PROPOSED.
10:50:18PM WE HAVE TO TRUST OUR STAFF.
10:50:22PM THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS SAID IT IS COMPATIBLE.
10:50:24PM CITY STAFF SAYS IT IS COMPATIBLE.
10:50:26PM THERE ARE NO WAIVERS.
10:50:27PM THE SETBACKS ARE ALL APPROPRIATE ON THIS PLAN.
10:50:33PM IT'S FULLY PARKED.
10:50:34PM THEY HAVE HUNDRED PERCENT TREE RETENTION.
10:50:37PM NO BONUSES ASKED FOR.
10:50:40PM CLOSE TO A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.
10:50:42PM BY THE WAY, IT'S ONLY 38 RESIDENTS.
10:50:44PM THIS IS NOT A REALLY INTENSIVE COMPLEX WHAT WE'VE SEEN WITH
10:50:48PM SOME OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS WE'VE APPROVED.
10:50:51PM IT'S ONLY 38 UNITS COMPARED TO SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF WE'VE
10:50:53PM BEEN DEALING WITH.
10:50:54PM 38 RESIDENTS.
10:50:55PM THEY ARE GOING TO BE WALKING.
10:50:56PM THEY ARE GOING TO BE GOING TO THE COMMERCIAL AREAS.
10:50:59PM WE HAVE RESTAURANTS NOW AT BAY TO BAY AND YSABELLA.
10:51:02PM WE HAVE RESTAURANTS ALONG BAY TO BAY PEOPLE CAN WALK TO.
10:51:05PM THIS IS AN URBAN AREA THAT PEOPLE CAN WALK AND ENJOY WALKING
10:51:09PM IN.
10:51:09PM YOU HAVE THE FRED BALL PARK THERE.
10:51:11PM I THINK THIS IS AN ENHANCEMENT.
10:51:14PM I KNOW PEOPLE WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT.
10:51:18PM I FIND IT IRONIC THAT PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN HIGH-RISES ARE
10:51:21PM COMPLAINING ABOUT OTHER HIGH-RISES.
10:51:23PM ONE QUOTE OF THE NIGHT, GOD HELP ME FOR QUOTING THEM.
10:51:27PM NEVER DO IT AGAIN, JOE ROBINSON.
10:51:29PM MITIGATE OR LITIGATE.
10:51:32PM THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW TONIGHT.
10:51:33PM THIS IS NOT THE FIRST AND SECOND HEARING WHAT WE HEARD
10:51:37PM TODAY.
10:51:37PM THIS IS A LEGISLATIVE PROCESS THAT HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE IN
10:51:42PM THE STATE OF FLORIDA TO REACH AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN
10:51:46PM GOVERNMENT AND A PRIVATE ENTITY WHEN THERE HAS BEEN A
10:51:49PM DISAGREEMENT OR BEEN AN ACTION THAT THEY DON'T AGREE WITH.
10:51:52PM WE HAVE VERY GOOD LAWYERS.
10:51:55PM WE HAVE VERY GOOD STAFF.
10:51:56PM THEY SAT DOWN WITH THE APPLICANT TO COME UP WITH A
10:52:01PM COMPROMISE TO AVOID LITIGATION AND POTENTIAL EXTREME COST TO
10:52:10PM THE TAXPAYERS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:52:12PM WE ALL KNOW WHERE WE LIVE AND HOW THIS SOMETIMES WORKS OUT.
10:52:20PM AND IN THE INTEREST OF BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE TO THE
10:52:23PM CITIZENS OF TAMPA AND ENSURING THAT WE MITIGATE POTENTIAL
10:52:29PM LOSSES, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS COMPROMISE AGREEMENT.
10:52:33PM THANK YOU.
10:52:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK AND COUNCIL MEMBER
10:52:36PM VIERA.
10:52:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS A COP-OUT.
10:52:38PM IT IS A COP-OUT.
10:52:39PM COMPLETELY HUNDRED PERCENT COP-OUT BECAUSE THE THING IS YOU
10:52:43PM CAN'T BE AFRAID OF LITIGATION.
10:52:45PM WE HAD A VERY CLEAN RECORD.
10:52:49PM CLEAR.
10:52:51PM I READ VERY CLEARLY WHAT THE CITY HAD TO RESPOND TO.
10:52:56PM I'M GOING TO QUOTE.
10:52:57PM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS WITHIN RESIDENTIAL 35 FUTURE LAND
10:53:00PM USE DESIGNATED RES 35.
10:53:03PM THIS DESIGNATION SUPPORTS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL USES,
10:53:06PM INCLUDING MULTIFAMILY AND SMALL LOT USES SUCH AS DUPLEXES,
10:53:10PM CONDOMINIUMS, AND TOWNHOMES.
10:53:12PM THIS IS A FUTURE LAND USE ISSUE, PERIOD.
10:53:19PM THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THIS SPOT IS RESIDENTIAL 35.
10:53:25PM THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
10:53:26PM THEY WENT TO TRY TO GET IT CHANGED.
10:53:29PM THEY COULDN'T GET IT CHANGED.
10:53:30PM THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAID NO.
10:53:32PM RS-83 IS TOO HIGH.
10:53:35PM AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS GOING TO BE.
10:53:37PM THIS IS GOING TO BE RS-83 ZONING.
10:53:39PM SO THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE IS -- IN RS-35 IS EIGHT STORIES.
10:53:45PM TO ME, I THINK THE CITY'S SETTLEMENT IS NOT A SETTLEMENT.
10:53:52PM IT'S NOT SETTLING ANYTHING AT ALL.
10:53:54PM IT'S GOING WAY ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE ALLOWABLE IS THERE,
10:53:58PM AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO DO.
10:54:00PM IF THEY CAN GET ON THIS, THEY WILL KEEP COMING BACK.
10:54:04PM THEY WILL START HIGH AND END A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THEY
10:54:07PM ARE ALLOWED.
10:54:08PM WE ARE OPENING THE FLOODGATES TO THIS.
10:54:11PM THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AREN'T LAW.
10:54:14PM WE SAY -- EVERYBODY KEEPS SAYING, I HEAR COUNCIL MEMBERS
10:54:17PM SAYING, WELL, STAFF APPROVED IT -- OR APPROVES OF IT.
10:54:21PM WELL, STAFF IS A RECOMMENDATION.
10:54:23PM IF STAFF MADE THE RULES, WHY ARE WE HERE?
10:54:26PM WE'RE ALLOWED.
10:54:27PM WE ARE THE GRAY.
10:54:28PM THEY ARE THE BLACK AND WHITE.
10:54:30PM WE ARE THE GRAY.
10:54:31PM THIS AGAIN IS A FUTURE LAND USE ISSUE.
10:54:36PM THOSE HIGH-RISES THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT ARE FUTURE LAND USE
10:54:40PM R-75.
10:54:41PM TO ME, NOTHING HAS CHANGED ABOUT THIS.
10:54:45PM NOTHING.
10:54:47PM THE HEIGHT, DOESN'T MATTER, BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE EIGHT
10:54:51PM STORIES.
10:54:51PM THAT'S IT.
10:54:52PM THAT'S ALL IT'S ALLOWED HERE.
10:54:54PM BY COMING HERE AND STARTING WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS 29 FEET
10:54:57PM AND 29 STORIES AND COMING DOWN AND SAYING, OH, WE'RE GIVING
10:55:01PM YOU A GIFT AT 16 STORIES, THAT'S NOT WHAT IS HAPPENING.
10:55:04PM THEY ARE FLOUTING OUR RULES.
10:55:06PM SO I WILL NEVER LISTEN TO YOU -- SERIOUSLY.
10:55:11PM FUR THE ONE THAT SAYS -- IF YOU ARE THE ONE THAT SAYS WE
10:55:15PM FOLLOW THE RULES.
10:55:16PM I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO REJECT THE MEDIATED SETTLEMENT.
10:55:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT.
10:55:19PM I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE OTHER TWO MEMBERS.
10:55:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M NOT DONE.
10:55:27PM ACCORDING TO THIS WONDERFUL SHEET OF PAPER OR THE REPORT
10:55:31PM THAT THE CITY LEGAL DEPARTMENT CAME UPON, BASED UPON 15
10:55:35PM SAMPLE SITES, THE EXISTING DENSITY IN THE RES 35 DESIGNATED
10:55:39PM PARCELS LOCATED WITHIN THIS GEOGRAPHICAL AREA IS 14.27
10:55:44PM DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE.
10:55:45PM THIS PROJECT IS 26.7.
10:55:48PM NOT EVEN CLOSE.
10:55:50PM ALMOST DOUBLE.
10:55:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AGAIN, WHAT I STATED IS MY OBJECTION TO
10:55:57PM THIS, THE FIRST PLAN WASN'T THE HEIGHT.
10:55:59PM WASN'T SOME OF THE THINGS YOU CALLED OUT.
10:56:01PM IT WAS THE MASSING AGAINST THE GARDEN CLUB ON THE NORTH SIDE
10:56:04PM WHICH I FEEL THEY MITIGATED.
10:56:06PM THEY PUSHED BACK THAT SETBACK LINE 20 FEET.
10:56:09PM IF YOU REMEMBER THE SCOPE AND SCALE, THEY HAD THE LARGE
10:56:12PM CONCRETE BLOCK WALL WITH THE AMENITIES DECK THAT WAS FACING
10:56:15PM THE NORTH SIDE --
10:56:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT NONE OF THAT MATTERS.
10:56:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:56:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND
10:56:22PM THAT THE DIFFERENCE, WHAT I OBJECTED TO ON THE FIRST ONE IS
10:56:26PM THIS WAS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE FROM THAT FIRST PLAN BECAUSE
10:56:29PM OF HOW IT INTEGRATED WITH THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH.
10:56:34PM SO WHAT I FOUND OBJECTIONABLE IN THE FIRST PLAN WAS THE
10:56:36PM INTEGRATION WITH THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH.
10:56:39PM AND THEY HAVE MITIGATED AND COME TO US WITH A PLAN THAT
10:56:44PM TAKES THAT -- MY ISSUE AWAY ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.
10:56:48PM I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ON THE OTHER THINGS.
10:56:50PM I HUMBLY DISAGREE.
10:56:52PM AGAIN, THAT WAS MY ISSUE.
10:56:54PM WASN'T HEIGHT.
10:56:55PM IT WAS THE INTEGRATION OF THE GARDEN CLUB ON THE NORTH I HAD
10:56:58PM PROBLEMS WITH.
10:56:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:56:59PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:57:03PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
10:57:04PM I COME FROM THIS FROM MY OWN PERSPECTIVE.
10:57:07PM WE ALL HAVE OUR PERSPECTIVES.
10:57:08PM I THINK EVERYBODY HERE STATES THEM IN GOOD FAITH AND WITH
10:57:11PM VIGOR AND ALL THAT.
10:57:13PM WHEN THIS FIRST CAME TO US, THE FIRST TIME I VOTED NO ON IT
10:57:19PM BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE APPLICANT
10:57:23PM A SIZE 38 WAIST IN SIZE 32 PANTS.
10:57:27PM YOU COME BACK A LITTLE BIT LATER AND A LOT OF THINGS WERE
10:57:30PM REMEDY AND FIXED THAT I FOUND TO BE VERY, VERY
10:57:33PM OBJECTIONABLE.
10:57:33PM ON THESE LAND USE CASES, I TRY TO BE CONSISTENT IN TERMS OF
10:57:39PM THE THINGS I PUT FORWARD.
10:57:41PM AND SOMETIMES IT'S NOT THE MOST POPULAR THING, BUT HARRY
10:57:45PM TRUMAN ONCE SAID I WOULD RATHER BE RIGHT THAN PRESIDENT.
10:57:49PM I WOULD RATHER BE RIGHT THAN BE DOGCATCHER.
10:57:52PM I TRY TO DO WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT JUST LIKE ALL SEVEN OF US
10:57:56PM DO.
10:57:57PM WE ALL COME FROM DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES BUT I THINK WE ALL
10:58:00PM COME FROM GOOD FAITH TO GET THERE AND I CERTAINLY HAVE IS MY
10:58:03PM PERSPECTIVE.
10:58:04PM I SAID THIS PROBABLY BEFORE AT THE SECOND HEARING WHEN I
10:58:07PM VOTED FOR IT, ONE OF TWO FOR THE COMPROMISE, WHICH IS I
10:58:10PM DON'T LIKE TO WRITE CHECKS THAT ARE GOING TO BOUNCE.
10:58:13PM I FEEL THAT RIGHT NOW WITH THE FACTS AS I UNDERSTAND THEM,
10:58:16PM WE HAVE $200 IN OUR BANK ACCOUNT.
10:58:18PM WE'LL BE WRITING A CHECK FOR HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.
10:58:21PM THAT'S REALLY HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS HUNDRED PERCENT.
10:58:23PM I'M NOT AFRAID OF LITIGATION.
10:58:25PM I'VE BEEN LITIGATING 21 YEARS.
10:58:27PM ADMITTED TO THE FLORIDA BAR IN 2003, INSURANCE LITIGATOR.
10:58:32PM BEEN UP AGAINST BIG FIRMS.
10:58:34PM STILL AM.
10:58:35PM STILL WORK.
10:58:36PM MEDIATE A LOT OF CASES.
10:58:38PM I KNOW WHAT LITIGATION IS ALL ABOUT.
10:58:40PM IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS RIGHT ON YOUR SIDE THAN YOU GO
10:58:44PM FORWARD, RIGHT?
10:58:44PM BUT -- AND THAT'S WHAT SOME FOLKS ON COUNCIL GO, WE'RE
10:58:49PM RIGHT, LET'S GO FORWARD.
10:58:51PM I THINK THAT THERE WAS GRAY IN THE LAST HEARING.
10:58:54PM FIRST HEARING WAS BLACK AND WHITE.
10:58:56PM VOTE NO, GO FORWARD INTO LITIGATION BATTLE FOR THE CITY OF
10:58:59PM TAMPA.
10:59:00PM HUNDRED PERCENT THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
10:59:02PM NEXT ONE I VOTED THE WAY I DID BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO WRITE
10:59:06PM CHECKS THAT ARE GOING TO BOUNCE IN TERMS OF HOW I VIEW
10:59:10PM THINGS.
10:59:10PM OVER HERE IT'S EVEN MUCH MORE EGREGIOUS FROM HOW I SEE THIS.
10:59:15PM I THINK IF WE GO FORWARD, IT'S NOT THAT WE'LL HAVE TO SPEND
10:59:19PM MONEY ON LITIGATION.
10:59:20PM THAT'S WHAT LAWYERS ARE FOR.
10:59:22PM THAT'S HOW SO MANY LAWYERS LIVE ON BAYSHORE, BY THE WAY.
10:59:26PM THAT'S WHAT LAWYERS ARE FOR.
10:59:27PM AND IF WE HAVE A CASE, LET'S GO FORWARD.
10:59:31PM BUT I'M NOT GOING TO FOR WHATEVER REASON, GO FORWARD WITH
10:59:36PM THIS.
10:59:36PM I'M GOING TO VOTE HOW I'M GOING TO VOTE.
10:59:39PM AGAIN, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME I'VE DONE THIS.
10:59:42PM THIS IS THE LAST TRAIN RIGHT NOW BEFORE THE TRAIN LEAVES THE
10:59:48PM STATION AND IT'S GOING TO GO FORWARD IN LITIGATION.
10:59:50PM AFTER THIS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE MUCH MORE CONTROL.
10:59:53PM THIS IS OUR LAST TIME BECAUSE THERE ARE, AS EVERYBODY IN THE
10:59:56PM PUBLIC KNOWS, THERE ARE SEQUELS TO THESE THINGS.
11:00:00PM CITY COUNCIL VOTES IT DOWN AND GUESS WHAT, AND A LOT OF
11:00:03PM TIMES I VOTED TO VOTE IT DOWN AND PEOPLE GO HOME AND
11:00:06PM EVERYBODY IS HAPPY BUT THERE ARE SEQUELS.
11:00:08PM THERE'S ROCKY ONE, ROCKY TWO, ROCKY THREE, ROCKY FOUR, ROCKY
11:00:13PM FIVE, ROCKY SIX.
11:00:15PM THESE THINGS JUST DON'T DIE HERE AT CITY COUNCIL.
11:00:22PM THERE WILL BE A SEQUEL TO THIS IN CIRCUIT COURT.
11:00:25PM I WON'T TALK ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN THERE BUT CERTAINLY HAVE
11:00:28PM MY RECKONING ON IT.
11:00:30PM I'LL VOTE HOW I'LL VOTE.
11:00:31PM NOT BECAUSE I GO, YAY, MORE CONDOS ON BAYSHORE.
11:00:36PM LET'S DO THIS.
11:00:38PM NO, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE PEOPLE CAME FROM.
11:00:41PM WHICH IS WHY WHEN I HAD SOMETHING TO HANG MY HAT ON IN THE
11:00:44PM FIRST HEARING, I SAID NO.
11:00:45PM I SAY ON THESE KIND OF DECISIONS WHERE YOU HAVE LEGAL
11:00:48PM ACCOUNTABILITY, WE HAVE A STOOL AND HAVE TO HAVE LEGS TO
11:00:51PM SUPPORT THAT STOOL.
11:00:52PM WHERE I DON'T SEE LEGS TO SUPPORT THAT STOOL I'M NOT GOING
11:00:55PM TO SAY THERE IS A FULLY FUNCTIONING STOOL BECAUSE WHEN WE
11:00:58PM SIT ON IT, WE'RE GOING TO FALL.
11:01:00PM THAT'S WHAT I SAY.
11:01:01PM AGAIN, EVERYBODY COMES FORWARD WITH THIS IN GOOD FAITH
11:01:04PM THROUGH THEIR OWN PERSPECTIVE.
11:01:05PM EVERYBODY HERE WANTS TO WORK FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE CITY.
11:01:08PM EVERYBODY HERE HAS THEIR OWN PERSPECTIVE AND I RESPECT
11:01:10PM EVERYBODY'S VIEW.
11:01:11PM THANK YOU.
11:01:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
11:01:13PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, CHAIR.
11:01:15PM I THINK TO START OUT, IT'S NOT A SURPRISE THAT I ACTUALLY
11:01:21PM DID SUPPORT THIS THE LAST TIME.
11:01:25PM IT WAS 5-2 AND I WAS ONE OF THE SUPPORTERS.
11:01:27PM I'M A SUPPORTER AGAIN TODAY.
11:01:29PM I DO FIND IT APPROPRIATE.
11:01:31PM I DO AGREE THAT IT IS CONSISTENT.
11:01:32PM I LIKE THE COMPROMISE THAT WENT THROUGH THE SPECIAL
11:01:35PM MAGISTRATE PROCESS AND PROCEEDINGS.
11:01:38PM AND FOR ME, I HAVE TO STEP OUTSIDE OF SOUTH TAMPA TO COME
11:01:42PM BACK IN.
11:01:43PM WHEN IT COMES TO DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE UP HERE.
11:01:46PM SOUTH TAMPA KNOWS HOW TO FIGHT.
11:01:47PM THAT'S FOR SURE, WHETHER YOU'RE FOR IT OR AGAINST IT YOU
11:01:51PM KNOW HOW TO COME IN VERY, VERY LARGE NUMBERS.
11:01:54PM THERE HAVE BEEN CASES OUTSIDE OF THIS PARTICULAR COMMUNITY
11:01:57PM AND IN TAMPA HEIGHTS AND INSIDE A RESIDENTIAL AREA, THE
11:02:04PM STAFF HAS SAID IT'S INCONSISTENT BUT ONLY FIVE RESIDENTS
11:02:06PM COME SAYING, HEY, I HAVE A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.
11:02:09PM I DON'T WANT THIS DENSITY NEXT TO ME, AND THIS COUNCIL WILL
11:02:14PM APPROVE IT AND IT IS INCONSISTENT AND THEY WILL APPROVE IT
11:02:18PM BECAUSE THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH FIGHTERS.
11:02:20PM NOT ENOUGH NOISE OR FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY DECIDE AMONG
11:02:24PM THEMSELVES THAT THEY DON'T SEE IT THAT WAY AND THEN NOW IN
11:02:27PM THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD, THE DENSITY IS GOING TO GO UP
11:02:35PM NEXT TO A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME BECAUSE FIVE PEOPLE MAKE NOISE
11:02:38PM AND THEY MAYBE HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW,
11:02:40PM THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.
11:02:41PM HERE, I DON'T HAVE THE EMOTIONAL CONNECTION TO SOUTH TAMPA.
11:02:45PM I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM A HOLISTIC STANDPOINT.
11:02:48PM IT'S NOT EVEN ABOUT REALLY SAVING THE SYNAGOGUE AND THE
11:02:54PM FINANCIAL PIECE TO ME THAT'S NOT THINGS WE CAN TAKE INTO
11:02:57PM CONSIDERATION WHEN DECIDING THESE FACTORS IN OTHER CASES.
11:03:00PM BUT I DO UNDERSTAND IT.
11:03:02PM I'M HUMAN AND I DO UNDERSTAND IT.
11:03:05PM I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE TAMPA GARDEN CLUB IS GOING TO DIE
11:03:08PM BECAUSE THIS DEVELOPMENT GOES UP.
11:03:10PM IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO REIMAGINE THEMSELVES, TO
11:03:16PM MAYBE CHANGE THEIR MARKETING BUT I DON'T THINK THEY TAKE
11:03:21PM OWNERSHIP OF THE 80 STEPS AWAY FROM THEM TO SAY IT SHOULDN'T
11:03:26PM BE THAT WAY -- DO NOT INTERRUPT ME.
11:03:28PM DON'T DO THAT.
11:03:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STAY QUIET IN THE AUDIENCE.
11:03:34PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU.
11:03:35PM THE ONE THING I'M THINKING ABOUT --
11:03:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE SILENCE YOUR PHONES.
11:03:43PM TURN THE VOLUME DOWN.
11:03:44PM TURN OFF YOUR PHONES.
11:03:45PM GO OUTSIDE.
11:03:46PM THANK YOU.
11:03:46PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THE LAST THING IS, FOR ME IS THE SIDEWALK
11:03:51PM MODIFICATION THAT'S COME AFTER WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED IN THE
11:03:57PM SPECIAL MAGISTRATE SO THAT MODIFICATION MID BLOCK, SOMETHING
11:04:03PM LIKE THAT CROSS WALK, I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT NECESSARILY NEEDED
11:04:06PM SOME SORT OF STUDY OR WHATEVER TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT BUT
11:04:10PM THAT WAS ANOTHER COMPROMISE THAT THE DEVELOPER IS WILLING TO
11:04:14PM DO.
11:04:14PM I'M WILLING TO ACCEPT THAT SIDEWALK MODIFICATION THAT CAN
11:04:18PM DEFINITELY BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY.
11:04:21PM I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.
11:04:23PM THANK YOU, CHAIR.
11:04:27PM >>LUIS VIERA: JUST FOR OUR OWN SAKE, THIS IS MY
11:04:33PM UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT JUDGE BATTLES DID, PLEASE CORRECT ME
11:04:36PM IF I'M WRONG, IT'S A MEDIATION WHERE THE CITY ATTORNEY'S
11:04:39PM OFFICE COMES REPRESENTING THE INTEREST OF CITY COUNCIL AND
11:04:42PM OUR EXPRESSED INTEREST IN THE DENIAL AND THEN DEALING WITH
11:04:44PM THE DEVELOPER AND IT IS A BACK AND FORTH MEDIATION WHERE A
11:04:47PM COMPROMISE IS REACHED AND HE SERVES AS MEDIATOR OR IS IT
11:04:50PM BECAUSE WHAT I'M ALSO HEARING MORE LIKE AN ARBITRATOR.
11:04:54PM IT IS A MEDIATOR, RIGHT?
11:04:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO HEAR
11:04:57PM FROM MS. WELLS.
11:04:59PM SHE ADDRESSED THIS AT THE OPENING.
11:05:00PM THIS IS A TWO-STEP PROCESS.
11:05:03PM 7051 IS RATHER UNUSUAL AND FRANKLY FOR THOSE FAMILIAR WITH
11:05:07PM MEDIATION.
11:05:08PM AND KNOW THE RULES OF MEDIATION.
11:05:14PM THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE THE LEGISLATURE CREATED A PROCESS
11:05:16PM WHERE THE FIRST HALF TAKEN PLACE TONIGHT, THIS IS THE END OF
11:05:20PM THE FIRST HALF.
11:05:21PM JUDGE BATTLES MADE HIS PRESENTATION AND IT WAS PRESENTED TO
11:05:27PM COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION.
11:05:28PM IF THAT IS REJECTED, IT GOES -- IT TAKES OFF HIS MEDIATOR
11:05:35PM HAT AND PUTS ON HIS ARBITRATOR HAT AND THEN YOU MIGHT WANT
11:05:39PM TO TALK TO MS. WELLS.
11:05:41PM >>LUIS VIERA: THAT'S ALL I NEED, SIR.
11:05:44PM AT THIS POINT WE'RE AT THE MEDIATOR STAGE.
11:05:47PM I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP MORE TIME.
11:05:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:05:50PM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, ARE YOU GOING TO SPEAK?
11:05:58PM >>BILL CARLSON: EVEN THOUGH THIS IS LEGISLATIVE, WE'VE BEEN
11:06:04PM GIVEN ADVICE THAT WE SHOULD USE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL
11:06:10PM EVIDENCE.
11:06:12PM THAT IS THE FEEDBACK I GOT.
11:06:13PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE FOLLOW THE PROCEDURES TO ENSURE THAT IF
11:06:19PM THIS DOES GO FORWARD, THE REZONING IS THE PASSAGE OF THE
11:06:22PM ORDINANCE.
11:06:23PM IF I MISSPEAK AND MS. WELLS WANTS TO CLARIFY IT MORE SO,
11:06:26PM SHE'S WELCOME TO DO THAT.
11:06:28PM BUT THIS IS A LEGISLATIVE MATTER AND CERTAINLY WHAT THAT
11:06:34PM MEANS, IT'S A FAIRLY DEBATABLE STANDARD.
11:06:38PM IT CANNOT BE DONE IN A WAY WITHOUT DISCUSSION THAT WOULD
11:06:43PM MAKE ONE THINK IT WOULD BE ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS.
11:06:47PM THIS IS NOT A REHEARING OF A REZONING.
11:06:51PM THIS IS YOUR EVALUATION OF WHAT THE COMPROMISE SETTLEMENT IS
11:06:57PM AND PASSING JUDGMENT ON THAT AS TO WHETHER IT RESOLVES THE
11:07:02PM CASE AS THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU, IF IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE
11:07:06PM TO DO SO WOULD STATE.
11:07:08PM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU'RE SAYING WE SHOULD MAKE POLITICAL
11:07:10PM STATEMENTS AND NOT PROVIDE --
11:07:13PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO.
11:07:14PM I'M NOT SAYING POLITICAL STATEMENTS.
11:07:16PM THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THIS SETTLEMENT, AS MS. WELLS STATES
11:07:22PM AND I DON'T WANT TO RESTATE IT AGAIN.
11:07:25PM IF SHE WANTS TO RESTATE IT, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
11:07:30PM THERE ARE CONSIDERATIONS BEYOND THE REZONING NOW BECAUSE YOU
11:07:35PM ARE IN A POSITION WHERE LITIGATION, SEVERAL THINGS HAVE BEEN
11:07:42PM FILED AS MS. WELLS HAS STATED THAT TO ALLOW THIS PROCESS
11:07:45PM WHICH WAS CREATED BY THE LEGISLATURE IN SECTION 70.51,
11:07:50PM ALLOWS THAT TO BE STAYED.
11:07:53PM BUT AS WE SIT HERE TODAY, LITIGATION AND IF YOU WANT TO TALK
11:07:57PM ABOUT THE CAUSES OF ACTION, THAT COULD BE RELEVANT HAVE BEEN
11:08:05PM FILED, ARE PENDING AND HAVE BEEN STAYED PENDING THE OUTCOME
11:08:11PM OF THIS DECISION TONIGHT.
11:08:13PM I'M NOT SAYING IT IS A POLITICAL DECISION.
11:08:15PM I'M SAYING IT IS A DECISION THAT YOU HAVE TO WEIGH WHAT THE
11:08:22PM ALTERNATIVE IS, THE COMPROMISE IS AN ALTERNATIVE TO WHAT THE
11:08:26PM LITIGATION MAY OR MAY NOT PRODUCE.
11:08:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK WAS NEXT.
11:08:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
11:08:34PM SO I MAKE -- I MAKE A MOTION TO REJECT THE MEDIATED
11:08:41PM SETTLEMENT MAINLY BECAUSE I'M HOLDING IN MY HAND MY MOTION
11:08:46PM TO DENY THIS PETITION.
11:08:50PM I DON'T HAVE THE DATE ON HERE.
11:08:51PM BUT THE LAST TIME YOU CAME.
11:08:53PM AND THERE ARE 17 DIFFERENT LAND USE POLICIES AND SECTION OF
11:08:58PM CODE, NONE OF THEM HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED IN THIS.
11:09:04PM NONE OF THEM.
11:09:04PM I DON'T KNOW IF MR. SHELBY WANTS ME TO READ THEM OUT LOUD
11:09:09PM AGAIN.
11:09:10PM IF YOU RECOMMEND I DO THAT.
11:09:12PM BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE ANY OF THEM WERE ACTUALLY ADDRESSED.
11:09:16PM AND FOR ME, THAT'S WHAT MEDIATION IS, ADDRESSING THE ISSUES
11:09:20PM COUNCIL ACTUALLY HAD.
11:09:22PM WITH THE CODE.
11:09:31PM DO YOU WANT ME TO READ THEM OUT LOUD?
11:09:32PM I WILL.
11:09:33PM OR DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY BASED ON THE DENIAL FROM THE LAST
11:09:38PM TIME, NONE OF THESE WERE CHANGED.
11:09:42PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ARTICULATE, YOU DO IT.
11:09:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I REJECT THE SETTLEMENT.
11:09:49PM >>BILL CARLSON: I SECOND IT.
11:09:51PM THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE A MINUTE AGO IS WE HAVE TO
11:09:54PM BASE THIS ON SOME KIND OF EVIDENCE, NOT A POLITICAL VIEW, IN
11:09:57PM MY OPINION.
11:09:58PM MOST OF THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED TONIGHT I WOULD PUT IN THE
11:10:01PM CATEGORY OF POLITICAL.
11:10:02PM WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS ULTIMATELY LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE THAT'S
11:10:10PM OUT THERE.
11:10:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: POINT OF INFORMATION.
11:10:16PM >>BILL CARLSON: THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON.
11:10:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FOR LEGAL STAFF, POINT OF INFORMATION.
11:10:28PM MS. WELLS.
11:10:29PM I WOULD LIKE TO INQUIRE ON LEGAL STAFF ABOUT THE STATUS OF
11:10:35PM THE MITIGATION AND WHAT THE LIABILITY IS -- POTENTIAL
11:10:40PM LIABILITY TO THE CITY.
11:10:41PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WOULD SUGGEST A MOTION TO REOPEN.
11:10:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO REOPEN FROM
11:10:46PM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:10:47PM DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
11:10:49PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
11:10:51PM ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
11:10:52PM ALL IN FAVOR TO REOPEN, AYE.
11:11:03PM ANY OPPOSED?
11:11:07PM >> NAY.
11:11:14PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: NO.
11:11:15PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:11:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
11:11:18PM >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
11:11:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO.
11:11:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES.
11:11:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:11:26PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION FAILED WITH HENDERSON, MIRANDA, CARLSON,
11:11:30PM AND HURTAK VOTING NO.
11:11:36PM >>LUIS VIERA: I DID THAT BECAUSE COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN WANTED
11:11:40PM THAT INFORMATION.
11:11:40PM MR. SHELBY, WITHOUT GIVING US THE QUANTIFIED MONETARY
11:11:44PM AMOUNTS CAN YOU AT LEAST ANSWER THAT QUESTION BY VIRTUE OF
11:11:47PM STATING WHAT DAMAGES ARE AVAILABLE TO A PARTY IN A MATTER
11:11:50PM LIKE THIS?
11:11:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M NOT IN A POSITION TO DO THAT.
11:11:53PM I WAS NOT PRESENT AT THE MEDIATION.
11:11:55PM FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE RECORD, AT THE OUTSET YOU HAD
11:12:03PM MS. WELLS MAKE THE PRESENTATION.
11:12:06PM SHE INTRODUCED MR. HARVEY WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
11:12:09PM LITIGATION.
11:12:10PM IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION WITH REGARD TO LITIGATION WHICH, BY
11:12:12PM THE WAY, THIS IS A SETTLEMENT.
11:12:14PM SO I SUGGEST THAT'S VERY RELEVANT INFORMATION IF YOU'RE
11:12:19PM INTERESTED.
11:12:20PM WELL, THEN, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO INQUIRE.
11:12:23PM I WOULD THINK THAT IF IT'S PART OF YOUR CRITERIA AND YOUR
11:12:27PM DELIBERATION, I WOULD JUST THINK THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING
11:12:29PM THAT YOU ASK MR. HARVEY AND MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE YOU
11:12:33PM DO IT AS PART OF THE HEARING SO IT'S WITHIN THE RECORD THAT
11:12:36PM YOU'VE CONTEMPLATED THAT WITHIN THE RECORD.
11:12:39PM >>LUIS VIERA: [INAUDIBLE]
11:12:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'LL GO BACK TO --
11:12:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'LL TRY ONE MORE TIME.
11:12:48PM MOTION TO REOPEN.
11:12:49PM BASED ON THE OPINION OF THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY AND
11:12:52PM PROTECTING THE RECORD --
11:12:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO REOPEN BY CLENDENIN
11:12:56PM AND SECOND BY VIERA.
11:12:57PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:12:58PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:13:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
11:13:01PM >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
11:13:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NO.
11:13:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES.
11:13:06PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: NO.
11:13:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:13:10PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION FAILED WITH MIRANDA, CARLSON, HURTAK,
11:13:13PM AND HENDERSON VOTING NO.
11:13:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD, COUNCILMAN
11:13:17PM CARLSON?
11:13:17PM IF NOT, COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
11:13:22PM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK THAT THE AMOUNT -- JUST BECAUSE
11:13:26PM SOMEBODY THREATENS LITIGATION IS NOT A REASON NOT TO PROTECT
11:13:30PM PROPERTY OWNERS WHO HAVE AN EXPECTATION OF PREDICTABILITY OF
11:13:33PM WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE AREA.
11:13:35PM IF THIS WAS A 20% CHANGE OR A 30% CHANGE, YOU CAN SEE ADDING
11:13:40PM IT IN, BUT IT'S STILL A HUGE CHANGE.
11:13:43PM LIKE SOMEBODY SAID BEFORE, THEY START HIGH AND COME DOWN AND
11:13:46PM MAKES IT LOOK BETTER, BUT IT IS STILL A BIG CHANGE FOR THAT
11:13:49PM PROPERTY.
11:13:50PM JUST BECAUSE SOME PREVIOUS COUNCIL MADE MISTAKES IN THE PAST
11:13:53PM DOESN'T MEAN WE NEED TO FOLLOW THE SAME MISTAKES.
11:13:56PM I THINK IT'S OUR JOB TO -- THE CITY AND THE PLANNING
11:14:02PM COMMISSION GO THROUGH MONTHS AND YEARS OF PLANNING TO PUT
11:14:05PM THESE CODES IN PLACE.
11:14:06PM AND THEY BUILD CONSENSUS IN THE COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE WHEN
11:14:10PM THEY BUY PROPERTY, THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE BUYING.
11:14:13PM THEY ARE BUYING ENTITLEMENTS.
11:14:14PM IT'S OUR JOB TO PROTECT THOSE ENTITLEMENT.
11:14:16PM WHEN SOMEBODY WANTS A DIFFERENCE IN ENTITLEMENT, THEN WE
11:14:19PM HAVE TO LOOK AT THE REASONABLENESS OF IT.
11:14:21PM IF IT'S A HUGE CHANGE FROM IT THEN IT'S NOT NECESSARILY
11:14:25PM REASONABLE.
11:14:26PM I'LL SAY ALSO I'VE BEEN A HUGE SUPPORTER OF -- FROM THE
11:14:31PM JEWISH COMMUNITY IN THE PAST.
11:14:32PM IN MY MIND, WE CAN'T CONSIDER THAT.
11:14:34PM CAN'T CONSIDER WHAT RELIGION OR IF IT IS A CHURCH.
11:14:38PM IF A CATHOLIC CHURCH WANTS TO BUILD SOMETHING NEXT TO IT, WE
11:14:42PM CAN'T CONSIDER IT AS AN ASPECT.
11:14:44PM INSTEAD LOOK AT THE ENTITLEMENTS AND LAND USE AND WHAT'S
11:14:47PM GOING ON THERE.
11:14:48PM THE QUESTION NOW IS IF WE REJECT IT, WILL THEY WIN SOME BIG
11:14:52PM CASE LIKE CITIVEST, I DON'T THINK SO BASED ON THE RECORD WE
11:14:55PM HAVE.
11:14:56PM I'M NOT A LAWYER THOUGH.
11:14:57PM THE OTHER THING IS THAT THEY'LL COME BACK AND GIVE US
11:15:01PM SOMETHING THAT'S IN BETWEEN AGAIN AND IT WILL BE WITHIN A
11:15:04PM REASONABLE VARIATION OF WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED AND THEN WE
11:15:08PM CAN APPROVE IT.
11:15:09PM I WOULD LIKE TO SAY YES ON IT.
11:15:11PM IF IT WAS SLIGHTLY LESS THAN WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, I WOULD
11:15:14PM SAY YES.
11:15:15PM BUT I THINK THIS IS STILL A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH.
11:15:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
11:15:17PM WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK TO REJECT.
11:15:20PM THE SECOND WAS FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, IS THAT CORRECT?
11:15:23PM WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
11:15:24PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:15:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO.
11:15:28PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: NO.
11:15:30PM >>LUIS VIERA: NO.
11:15:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:15:34PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:15:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
11:15:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:15:40PM >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH CLENDENIN, HENDERSON,
11:15:43PM VIERA VOTING NO.
11:15:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN I GET A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE?
11:15:48PM MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:15:50PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
11:15:51PM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:15:52PM AYE.
11:15:53PM WE ARE ADJOURNED.
11:15:53PM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
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