TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOPS
THURSDAY, JANUARY 30, 2025, 9:00 A.M.

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9:07:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP
MEETING TO ORDER.
AT THIS TIME, I YIELD TO COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON FOR THE
INVOCATION.
9:07:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES, THIS MORNING I'M EXCITED TO HAVE PASTOR
TUCKER JOHNSON HERE.
I'M TOLD BY OUR FRIENDS THAT SHE HAS A CHILDHOOD NICKNAME
WHICH I'M NOT ALLOWED TO USE BECAUSE THIS IS HER
PROFESSIONAL CAPACITY.
SHE IS A FORMER EDUCATOR WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOLS
FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
SHE HAS A TWIN SISTER WHO IS STILL TEACHING IN THE DISTRICT.
SHE IS MARRIED TO RETIRED EDUCATOR COACH ADRIAN JOHNSON.
SHE IS THE MOTHER OF SON ADRIAN JOHNSON II AND DAUGHTER
ADRIA JOHNSON WHO ALSO TAUGHT IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOLS
SEVEN YEARS PRIOR TO MOVING TO HOUSTON, TEXAS.

SHE IS RECOGNIZED FOR PROFESSIONALISM, LEADERSHIP,
MOTIVATING AND EXCELLENT PRESENTATION STRATEGY.
SHE IS A PASTOR AT CHRIST OF CALVARY COMMUNITY CHURCH IN
WEST TAMPA WHERE HER DAD PREVIOUSLY SERVED AS BISHOP.
SHE IS THE VISIONARY FOR MENTORS FOR MINISTRY, A YOUTH GROUP
THAT IS KNOWN FOR GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND SHE CURRENTLY SERVES AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA BAY
JUNETEENTH COALITION.
LET'S RISE FOR THE PRAYER AND THEN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
THANK YOU.
9:08:15AM >> THANK YOU.
I AM SO GRATEFUL TO BE ABLE TO COME BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING.
I AM GOING TO ASK THAT IF ALL HEARTS AND MINDS ARE CLEAR, WE
ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GO TO THE THRONE OF GRACE.
PLEASE BOW YOUR HEADS WITH ME.
LET US PRAY.
DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, AS WE COME BEFORE THE THRONE OF GRACE
WITH A BOWED HEAD AND HUMBLED HEART I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK
YOU.
THANK YOU FOR OUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR THE
MAYOR OF THIS GREAT CITY.
THANK YOU FOR OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND FIRST RESPONDERS.
I PRAY A SPECIAL BLESSING UPON THOSE WHO SUFFERED THAT
DEVASTATING LOSS IN THOSE RECENT WILDFIRES AND HURRICANES.
I PRAY A SPECIAL BLESSING ON ALL OF OUR LEADERS AT EVERY

LEVEL IN OUR CITY AND THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.
GIVE THEM GRACE TO BRING TRUTH, JUSTICE, AND STABILITY TO
OUR REGION.
GIVE THEM THE POWER TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT AND TO RULE IN
FAIRNESS.
MAY OUR COMMUNITY BE KNOWN FOR ITS JUSTICE.
AS WE LEAVE HERE TODAY, I PRAY A HEDGE OF PROTECTION OVER
EACH ONE OF US AND OUR FAMILIES IN THE MATCHLESS NAME OF
YOUR SON, I PRAY, AMEN.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:09:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALL RIGHT.
IF I MAY HAVE ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
9:09:44AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
9:09:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
9:09:46AM >> CLENDENIN?
HENDERSON?
9:09:47AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PRESENT.
9:09:49AM >> VIERA?
MIRANDA?
9:09:50AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
9:09:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
9:09:51AM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
9:09:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA WILL BE HERE IN ABOUT 10, 20 MINUTES OR

SO.
WE HAVE A MEMO RECEIVED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN'S
OFFICE THAT HE WILL BE ABSENT FROM TODAY'S WORKSHOP.
AT THIS TIME, MR. SHELBY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS THE
RULES AND PROCEDURES REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN
HOUSEKEEPING.
9:10:11AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
TODAY IS A COUNCIL WORKSHOP.
PUBLIC COMMENT AT COUNCIL WORKSHOPS ARE DIFFERENT NOW SINCE
THE COUNCIL CHANGED ITS RULES IN JUNE.
THERE IS GENERALLY NO PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE START OF THE
MEETING, AN OPEN FORUM, IF YOU WILL, ON WORKSHOP DAYS.
AT THURSDAY NIGHT'S MEETING, THE COUNCIL CLARIFIED AND
CHANGED ITS RULES.
NORMALLY WITH WORKSHOP DAYS, THE PUBLIC COMMENT NOW FOLLOWS
THE ITEMS DISCUSSION BY COUNCIL AND THEN THE PUBLIC HAS THE
OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE COMMENT BEFORE COUNCIL TAKES ACTION, IF
ANY.
BUT THE MOTION MADE FOR TODAY IS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON
SUGGESTED THAT THERE MAY BE SPEAKERS WHO WANTED TO BE ABLE
TO SPEAK ON ITEMS RELATED TO WORKSHOP ITEMS.
AT THE START OF THE MEETING, PARTICULAR REASON, AND COUNCIL
BY SUPERMAJORITY VOTE WAIVED THOSE RULES FOR THIS SPECIFIC
WORKSHOP.

IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, PER
COUNCIL'S MOTION, THAT WOULD BE OUT OF ORDER.
SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO DO THAT AT A REGULAR MEETING.
A REMINDER THAT A THREE-MINUTE TIME LIMIT APPLIES TO ALL
SPEAKERS PROVIDING PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA, YOU HAVE
ONE OF TWO OPPORTUNITIES.
YOU CAN EITHER DO IT AT THE START OF THE MEETING OR YOU CAN
DO IT AT THE END OF THE DISCUSSION OF THAT PARTICULAR ITEM.
ONE OR THE OTHER, NOT TWO OPPORTUNITIES TO SPEAK.
YOU DO HAVE THE CHOICE OF WHICHEVER ONE IS MORE CONVENIENT
TO YOU.
IF YOU WANT TO HEAR THE DISCUSSION BEFORE YOU GIVE COUNCIL
YOUR COMMENTS, THEN MY SUGGESTION IS YOU WAIT.
AGAIN, A THREE-MINUTE TIME LIMIT APPLIES.
SPEAKERS ARE REMINDED THAT YOU SHOULD DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS
TO THE COUNCIL AS A BODY.
COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING A SPEAKER
DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND THE PUBLIC PLEASE BE AWARE THAT CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT
TAKE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS -- EXCUSE ME, QUESTIONS OR HAVE A
DIALOGUE DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
SPEAKERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE ALSO REMINDED THEY
ARE TO REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING MAKING
VULGAR OR THREATENING REMARKS OR MAKING OR CAUSING

DISRUPTIVE NOISES OR SOUNDS OR DISPLAYING SIGNS OR GRAPHICS.
THE CHAIR WILL RULE OUT OF ORDER ANY PERSON WHO SPEAKS
WITHOUT BEING RECOGNIZED OR ATTEMPTS TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL
FROM OUTSIDE THE LECTERN, THE SPEAKER AREA AT THE PODIUM.
PERSONS FAILING TO COMPLY WITH THE COUNCIL'S RULES MAY ALSO
BE RULED OUT OF ORDER AND AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR BE
REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBERS OF THE REMAINDER OF THE DAY'S
MEETING.
YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS TODAY AT THIS WORKSHOP ON THE SUBJECTS
ARE WELCOME.
THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS YOUR POSITION.
THANK YOU.
9:13:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO FOR SOME HOUSEKEEPING, I'LL YIELD NOW TO COUNCIL MEMBER
CARLSON.
SIR, GO AHEAD.
9:13:10AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES, THANK YOU.
AFTER THE STORMS A FEW MONTHS AGO AT OUR FIRST MEETING, I
MADE A MOTION TO PUT NUMBER 5 ON.
THAT IS AN UPDATE TO THE CITY'S STORMWATER PLAN WHICH REALLY
STARTED IN 2015 AND 16 AND HAS BEEN UPDATED.
THE IDEA IS TO LOOK AT THE STORMWATER SYSTEM SYSTEMICALLY.
THAT'S NUMBER FIVE.
NUMBER SEVEN WAS TO LOOK AT SOME MORE SHORT-TERM THINGS THAT
WE COULD DO -- SORRY, MAINTENANCE THINGS THAT WE COULD DO.

THE PUBLIC REQUESTED THAT WE HAVE THE ENGINEERING FIRM
PRESENT, THE LEAD ENGINEERING FIRM.
AND STAFF HAS TOLD ME IN THE LAST FEW DAYS THAT THE ANALYSIS
PROCESS HAS JUST STARTED AND THE ENGINEERING FIRMS ARE NOT
AVAILABLE YET.
THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SUBSTANTIVE THAT THEY CAN PRESENT.
SO THEY HAVE ASKED ME TO DO A FEW THINGS.
ONE IS TO GIVE THEM UNTIL MAY, THE FIRST WORKSHOP IN MAY.
IT HAS PLENTY OF AVAILABILITY ON IT, MAY 22.
SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE 5 AND 7
FROM THE AGENDA.
IF YOU ARE PLANNING ON SPEAKING FROM 5 AND 7, YOU WON'T BE
ABLE TO DO IT LATER.
YOU'LL HAVE TO DO IT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING BECAUSE
THEY WON'T BE ON.
6 IS ABOUT SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS AND TO SOME EXTENT
MAINTENANCE.
WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS COMBINE 5 AND 7 AND PART OF 6 AND
MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE ALL OF THAT AS ONE ITEM TO MAY 22nd.
THE STAFF ALSO HAD ASKED US TO MAKE THESE UPDATES -- THE
IDEA THE PUBLIC WANTED IS REGULAR UPDATES, SIMILAR THAT
WE'VE HAD FROM NELSON CONSTRUCTION AND OTHERS ON OTHER
PROJECTS.
BUT THE STAFF SAID WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THEM TO COME IN.
INSTEAD OF SIX TIMES A YEAR, CAN WE DO IT FOUR, WHICH I

THINK IS STILL BETTER THAN WHAT WE'VE HAD BEFORE.
I THINK IT'S REASONABLE.
I'D LIKE TO FIRST MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE ITEM NUMBER 5, CM
24-9549.
AND FILE NUMBER 7, FILE CM 24-11104 FROM THE AGENDA.
9:15:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
CARLSON.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
9:15:20AM >>BILL CARLSON:
REMOVE 5 AND 7 FROM THE AGENDA.
9:15:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
9:15:25AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE SECOND THING IS AT STAFF'S REQUEST MOVE
THOSE TO MAY 22.
BUT TO SIMPLIFY IT, I'VE COMBINED THEM.
MY MOTION, WHICH I HAD PREVIOUSLY SENT OUT, I MOVE THAT
COUNCIL -- AND INSTEAD OF EMBEDDING, I MADE IT BULLET
POINTS.
I MOVE THAT COUNCIL ASK THAT STORMWATER CONSULTANT APPLIED
SCIENCES PRESENT AT THE MAY 22 WORKSHOP AND THEN IN
QUARTERLY UPDATES AT REGULAR MEETINGS REGARDING, NUMBER ONE,
UPDATE ON THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN UPDATING PROCESS, I.E.,
STATUS OF THE PROJECTS, WHAT NEW PROBLEMS HAVE BEEN
IDENTIFIED AND WHAT SOLUTIONS HAVE BEEN INCLUDED FOR
RECOMMENDATION.

TWO, UPDATES ON THE STORMWATER SYSTEM ANALYSIS.
THREE, FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATION FOR SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS
THAT WILL HELP PREVENT FLOODING IN THE NEXT RAINY SEASON.
FOUR, LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS RECOMMENDED.
FIVE, UPDATE ON MAINTENANCE THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND THE
PLAN FOR COMPLETING THE REMAINDER.
ALSO, ANY NEW MAINTENANCE FINDINGS.
SIX, UPDATE ON THE STORMWATER MAINTENANCE METRICS.
SEVEN, OVERVIEW OF WHAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED IN MAINTENANCE
AND INFRASTRUCTURE SINCE 2015.
9:16:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
9:16:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE NEED A SECOND.
9:16:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
9:16:41AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'LL SECOND.
9:16:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE
PUBLIC KNOWS IS WE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT STORMWATER TODAY.
IT WILL BE NUMBER 6.
WE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS AND WE ARE
STILL TALKING ABOUT -- WE GOT A LOT OF E-MAIL.
WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT IT TODAY BUT MOVING SOME OF THE
OTHER THINGS.
9:16:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
STAFF WILL BE HERE FOR NUMBER 6 LATER.
IF YOU WANT TO TALK ON 5 OR 7, PLEASE SPEAK AT PUBLIC
COMMENT NOW.
IF YOU WANT TO TALK ON 6, WHICH IS SIMILAR, YOU CAN SPEAK

LATER.
9:17:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR?
9:17:12AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THIS WAS TO CONTINUE THE ITEMS.
9:17:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
INTO MAY.
THE FIRST WORKSHOP.
9:17:17AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I APOLOGIZE TO THE PUBLIC.
TOOK OUT MY SON FOR HIS BIRTHDAY TODAY.
9:17:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. SHELBY, REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENT,
PEOPLE CAN SPEAK ON 5 NOW OR 5 LATER OR DOES IT APPLY TO THE
WHOLE AGENDA?
9:17:32AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE DECIDED THE OTHER DAY, THEY CAN SPEAK ON
ANY OF THE SEVEN ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
THE ONLY THING IS WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT 5 AND 7 LATER, SO
THERE WON'T BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THEM LATER.
SIMILAR TO THE 6, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO SPEAK AFTER 6 LATER,
THEY CAN DO THAT ALSO.
9:17:48AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MAYBE INVITE ANYBODY TO COME UP WHO WISHES
TO SPEAK ON ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA --
9:17:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY SIGNED UP.
9:17:55AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WELL, THEY SHOULD HAVE SIGNED UP IDEALLY.
WHEN THEY DO SIGN UP, YOU CAN TAKE THEIR NAME AND
ACKNOWLEDGE OR CHECK OFF THE NAME ON THE LIST.
RATHER THAN CALLING BY NAME AT THE BEGINNING, JUST INVITE
THEM UP.

NORMALLY A WORKSHOP DATE, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT.
9:18:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
WE HAVE IT OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
AT THIS TIME, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME UP.
I'M SORRY.
WE HAVE ONE REGISTERED SPEAKER ONLINE FIRST AND THEN WE'LL
GO TO THE IN PERSON.
9:18:23AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I SAY ALSO?
THANKS TO THE COUNCIL FOR ACCOMMODATING THIS ONE CHANGE THIS
TIME TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO SPEAK AT THE BEGINNING.
SEVERAL PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE LOST THEIR HOMES, AND THERE
ARE LOTS OF EMOTIONAL STORIES.
IT'S TOUGH FOR PEOPLE TO COME OUT AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE
THEM WAIT ALL DAY.
9:18:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MICHELLE TURNER IS THE ONLY REGISTERED
SPEAKER.
WE'LL TAKE HER FIRST AND THEN TO THE IN PERSON.
MICHELLE TURNER, IF YOU ARE ON, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
9:18:57AM >> HI.
THIS IS MICHELLE TURNER.
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
9:19:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
GO AHEAD.
9:19:01AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

WHILE I CAN'T BE THERE DUE TO ILLNESS, I MUST HIGHLIGHT
CRITICAL STORMWATER FAILURES AND PREVENTION MAINTENANCE
TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
AS YOU KNOW, INTERNAL AUDIT 2418 EXPOSES A LACK OF TECHNICAL
MAINTENANCE AND EXPERTISE, POOR DOCUMENTATION OF MAINTENANCE
AND NO PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE PLANS.
EVENLY SUBSET WAS STUDIED WHICH IS WHY WE MUST EXPAND THE
SCOPE FOR ALL AREAS UNDER MOBILITY AND STORMWATER OVERSIGHT.
IN REFERENCE TO THE SUPPLEMENTAL PRINTOUT AS EXAMPLES, PAGE
TWO IS A MAP SUMMARIZING THE FLOODING DURING HURRICANE
MILTON IN CONCORDIA PARK NEAR THE EUCLID CROSSTOWN EXIT.
ON PAGE 3, DESPITE BEING IN A NON-FLOOD ZONE X, WE HAVE
FLOODAGE OF OVER 16 INCHES OF WATER DUMPED HERE BETWEEN 8
AND 9 P.M. DURING MILTON.
SURGE WAS NOT A FACTOR.
BY 1 A.M. THE FLOODING RECEDED BUT NOT BEFORE OVER 30 HOMES
WERE FLOODED.
PAGE 4 SHOWS STORMWATER HAS ACKNOWLEDGED FLOOD ISSUES SINCE
1970s.
RESIDENTS RAISED CONCERNS AS RECENTLY AS AUGUST 2024 AFTER
FLASH FLOOD FROM AFTERNOON STORM.
STORMWATER DISMISSED WARNINGS AND WE PAID THE PRICE.
THROUGH NEIGHBORHOOD DILIGENCE WE FOUND THAT ONE OF TWO
INTAKE DRAINS WAS COMPLETELY BLOCKED BY DEBRIS AS YOU SEE ON
PAGE 5.

STORMWATER LATER REMOVED TWO AND A HALF TRUCKLOADS BUT
REMAINING DEBRIS SHOWN ON PAGE 6 ALONG WITH PREVIOUSLY
BLOCKED WERE NONISSUES DESPITE 50% OF THE SITE'S DRAINAGE.
OVER THREE MONTHS, WE REQUESTED A FULL CULVERT INSPECTION.
REPEATEDLY TOLD THAT THE CULVERT WAS VERY CLEAN WITH NO
ISSUES OBSERVED YET LAST WEEK WE FINALLY RECEIVED VIDEO
FOOTAGE OF 125 FEET OF THE CULVERT, A TINY FRACTION OF OUR
SYSTEM.
THE FOOTAGE REVEALED MULTIPLE STRUCTURAL ISSUES.
PAGE 7 SHOWS CRACKS IN THE PIPE, COMPROMISING SYSTEM
INTEGRITY.
PAGE 8 SHOWS SEPARATED JOINT WHICH COULD LEAD TO EROSION AND
MAJOR FAILURES AS WELL AS CALCIUM RESIDUE, LONG-TERM SEEPAGE
AND BREAKDOWN.
PAGE 9, STANDING WATER COMPLETELY SUBMERGING THE CAMERA
PREVENTING THE FULL ASSESSMENT.
THE SYSTEM RELIES ON GRAVITY YET WATER LEVELS INCREASED
FURTHER IN.
CONTINUOUS STANDING WATER CAN'T BE CONSIDERED NORMAL.
WE'VE ALSO BEEN TOLD THAT FLOODING WAS DUE TO A
HUNDRED-YEAR-OLD SYSTEM.
UNACCEPTABLE TO DISMISS THIS IN COMBINATION OF FACTORS
COVERED SO FAR.
CITY MUST SHIFT PRIORITIES.
SAFETY MUST COME BEFORE PROJECTS LIKE THE RIVERWALK

EXPANSION.
DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND BUDGET PROCESSES SHOULDN'T MATTER.
WE'RE ALL THE CITY OF TAMPA.
TODAY I'M CALLING ON THE CITY TO TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION TO
PERFORM AN AUDIT TO IDENTIFY ROOT CAUSES AND SOLUTIONS.
IMPLEMENT ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY FOR ONGOING
MAINTENANCE, EXPEDITE LAND AND WATER STUDIES FOR SHORT-TERM
SOLUTIONS, REMOVE REMAINING DEBRIS AND CLEAR BLOCKAGES NOW
AND REDIRECT DISCRETIONARY FUNDS TO FLOOD PREVENTION.
IF OUR SYSTEM ISN'T PROPERLY MAINTAINED WE'LL FLOOD AGAIN.
WE NEED TO ACT NOW AND HURRICANE SEASON IS ONLY FOUR MONTHS
AWAY.
THANK YOU.
9:21:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WILL NOW GO TO THE IN-PERSON.
I SEE PAM CANNELLA.
YOU ARE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR 6.
YOU'LL BE SPEAKING JUST AT THIS TIME, CORRECT?
9:21:57AM >> THAT'S IT.
I'M LEAVING.
9:21:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:22:08AM >> MY NAME IS PAM CANNELLA.
YES, THIS IS ON 6.

I WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY PICTURES IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO
PROVE THAT OUR STORMWATER DRAINAGE IS NOT BEING MAINTAINED?
I HAVE MORE AT HOME.
I HOPE THREE -- I HOLD THREE PHONES FULL OF PICTURES.
IT IS A NEW YEAR.
ABOUT THIS TIME EVERY YEAR SINCE 2015, I START CALLING TO
HAVE THE RETENTION POND IN FRONT OF MY HOME ON SAN RAFAEL
CLEANED OF DEBRIS.
I KNOW THE WATER LEVEL HAS TO BE BELOW THESE PIPES, WHICH
ARE RIGHT HERE.
SHOW A PICTURE OF THE PIPES, WHICH IS THE FIRST ONE.
ANYWAY, I HAVE THE PICTURE THERE.
THERE ARE CERTAIN PIPES THAT ARE DRAINAGE PIPES OUT TO THE
DITCH THAT NEEDS TO BE, THE WATER LEVEL NEEDS TO BE BELOW
THAT.
WHEN IT'S NOT I KNOW THAT OUR DRAINAGE DITCH NEEDS TO BE
CLEANED AND I KNOW THE PIPE THAT GOES OUT FROM THE RETENTION
POND NEEDS TO BE CLEANED.
SO I CALL.
THEY COME OUT OR -- ANYWAY, LET ME GO WHERE I AM AT.
SORRY ABOUT THAT.
IT ALL GOES TO THE PALMIRA DITCH WHICH DRAINS WEST TO EXIT
THE BAY.
THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT CALLS THIS DITCH A HOT SPOT
BECAUSE IT ALWAYS HAS A PROBLEM AND IT'S IMPORTANT.

IT'S NOT CLEANED AND IT'S NOT MAINTAINED PROPERLY.
THERE'S ONLY QUICK FIXES.
THEY COME IN.
THEY REMOVE THE VEGETATION AND THEY MOW.
SO THAT IT APPEARS CLEAN.
THEN THERE ARE ONLY TWO PIPES DRAINING OUT OF THE RETENTION
POND IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, BUT FIVE PIPES OF WATER FLOWING
IN.
IF THIS DRAINAGE PIPE FROM THE RETENTION POND IS BLOCKED AND
NOT ABLE TO DRAIN OUT, THE POND FLOWS OVER INTO THE STREETS
AND INTO MY HOUSE.
AND THIS IS ONLY ON A RAINY DAY THAT MAYBE RAINS FOR 15
MINUTES.
NOW, IT'S NOT ONLY IN MY AREA THAT THIS IS HAPPENING.
IT'S ALL OVER THAT PART OF SOUTH TAMPA BECAUSE I HAVE FAMILY
ALL OVER.
I'VE MADE IT MY QUEST TO LOOK AT ALL OF THE DITCHES, THE
DRAINAGE IN ALL THE AREAS, IN FRONT OF MY DAUGHTER'S HOUSE,
IN FRONT OF MY MOTHER'S HOUSE, EVERYBODY'S HOUSE.
I KNOW THIS HAPPENS ALL OVER THAT AREA.
IN HYDE PARK, WE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM.
THE SWANN POND IS FULL OF DEBRIS.
IT SMELLED AND LOOKED LIKE SEWER.
I REPORTED IT.
THE DITCHES ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACKS ARE NOT MAINTAINED.

DRAINAGE GRATES AND CULVERT DITCHES ARE COVERED WITH
OVERGROWTH AND DEBRIS.
THIS PROBLEM EXISTS ALL OVER.
WHAT DO WE DO?
WE NEED THESE AREAS TO BE CLEANED.
DITCHES NEED EXCAVATING.
PIPES NEED JET CLEANING AND THEN MAINTAINED, REPAIRED OR
REPLACED, IF NEEDED.
THAT'S BASICALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
9:25:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:25:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN YOU GIVE THOSE PHOTOS FOR THE RECORD?
9:25:13AM >> I HAVE PUT OVER AND OVER PICTURES DURING RECORD.
IF YOU WANT THESE PICTURES, YEAH, I'LL GIVE THEM TO YOU.
THEY ARE OUT OF MY PERSONAL -- PART OF MY PERSONAL, BUT I
GUESS THEY ARE ALL ON MY PHONE.
I CAN GO BACK AND GET THEM.
9:25:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NEVER MIND THEN.
WE SAW THEM.
9:25:31AM >> BUT YOU DO HAVE THEM.
I'VE BEEN AT DIFFERENT PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MEETINGS.
YOU HAVE A VOLUME FULL.
EACH ONE OF YOU.
9:25:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
ANYBODY HERE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT?

ONLY ON AGENDA ITEMS.
MR. DANIELS, YOU ARE SIGNED UP FOR ITEM NUMBER 1.
9:25:54AM >> SPEAK ON IT BEFORE OR AFTER.
9:25:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IF YOU SPEAK NOW, I'LL TAKE YOU OFF THE
LIST IS THAT OKAY?
GO AHEAD, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:26:03AM >> MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
ITEM NUMBER 1 WHERE THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT THE
WHISTLE-BLOWERS AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND HOW THAT NEEDS
TO BE HANDLED, I THINK WITHIN THE CITY WE HAVE A LARGER
PROBLEM WHERE WE NEED TO ENCOURAGE WHISTLE-BLOWING AND
ENCOURAGE EMPLOYEES OF THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE
COMING FORWARD, IF THEY WORK WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, COMING
FORWARD AND TELL EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON WITHIN THE CHILD
SUPPORT SYSTEM.
FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS, SINCE JANUARY 4th, 1975, FOR THE
LAST 50 YEARS, AFRICAN PEOPLE HAVE EXPERIENCED THE WORST --
THE WORST ASPECT OF THAT ADMINISTRATIVE BODY THAT'S CALLED
DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE CHILD SUPPORT ENFORCEMENT.
IT'S RACIST.
IT'S DISCRIMINATORY.
IT DOES LIKE DRACONIAN STUFF.
INCARCERATION FOR INDEBTEDNESS.
INCARCERATION FOR ALLEGEDLY -- TO YOUR OWN CHILD.

THEY SAY YOU'RE NOT BEING INCARCERATED DEBT.
YOU'RE BEING INCARCERATED FOR CONTEMPT OF COURT.
WHAT BLACK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCING, PREDOMINANTLY
BLACK MEN AND NOW MORE SO A LOT OF AFRICAN WOMEN HAVE BEEN
EXPERIENCING IS JUST A JIM CROW SYSTEM THAT THEY CALL IT AN
ADMINISTRATIVE SYSTEM.
IT IS THE FOURTH BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT THAT'S OPERATING RIGHT
HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING TO BE DONE ABOUT WHISTLE-BLOWERS OR
MONEY TO BE SPENT ON WHISTLE-BLOWERS OR PROGRAM TO LOOK AT
WHISTLE-BLOWERS, I THINK THAT AREA OF CHILD SUPPORT NEED TO
BE DISCUSSED.
SO MANY BLACK MEN THAT HAVE BEEN TO PRISON, SO MANY AFRICAN
MEN TO PRISON FOR INABILITY TO PAY CHILD SUPPORT.
TO PRISON, NO LEGAL REPRESENTATION, NO APPOINTMENT OF
COUNSEL, NOTHING.
AND WHEN YOU GO IN THE CHILD SUPPORT COURT, THEY TALK TO YOU
AS NASTY AS EVER.
IT IS THE WORST FORM OF THE KU KLUX KLAN YOU CAN POSSIBLY
EXPERIENCE.
IT IS THE WORST FORM OF IT.
HEARING OFFICER CAMPBELL, HEARING OFFICER SABRINA FRYE,
HEARING OFFICER -- IT IS JUST HORRIFIC DOWN THERE.
I THINK THIS CITY NEED -- I'VE GIVEN YOU GUYS LITERATURE
BEFORE IN REFERENCE TO THAT.

THEY CLAIM THEY SERVE YOU.
NEVER BEEN SERVED.
THEY ARE SUSPENDING YOUR LICENSE.
SUSPENDING YOUR PASSPORT.
OTHER THINGS THEY ARE DOING THAT IS REAL DRACONIAN.
THE CITY COUNCIL REALLY NEED TO EXPEND TIME AND RESOURCES
LOOKING INTO THIS.
IT IS A REAL PROBLEM THAT REALLY AFFECTS THE AFRICAN
AMERICAN COMMUNITY ADVERSELY AND DISPROPORTIONATELY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:29:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK NOW?
IF NOT, WE WAIT UNTIL AFTER EACH ITEM.
ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
PASTOR WILLIAMS, DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK NOW?
COME ON UP, SIR.
9:29:33AM >> MY NAME IS PASTOR WILLIAMS, LOCATED 1112 EAST SCOTT
STREET, PARADISE MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH.
YOU KNOW, IT'S SO SAD THAT WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE OF COLOR TO
COME UP.
TAKE OUR CHURCHES.
RIGHT NOW, MY CHURCH IS IN A DILEMMA.
PARADISE MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH LOCATED ON 1112 EAST

SCOTT STREET.
YOU KNOW WHAT?
THEY WANT TO TAKE MY CHURCH AND GIVE IT TO THE PUERTO RICANS
OR WHITE FOLKS.
I FOUND A LETTER, I WAS GOING TO SELL THE CHURCH -- WANT TO
GO THROUGH THE GATE, WALKING WITH A WHEELCHAIR AND
EVERYTHING.
ABOUT READY FOR ME TO TAKE OFF MY PANTS.
IT'S RIDICULOUS.
WHY DON'T YOU ALL TREAT PEOPLE LIKE PEOPLE.
DON'T LOOK AT THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN AND EVERYTHING WOULD
BE A WHOLE LOT BETTER.
BUT YOU DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT US.
BUT WE CARE ABOUT OURSELVES.
THE THING ABOUT IT, I BELIEVE IN GOD.
I BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST.
SOMEBODY SITTING BACK THERE BACK OF ME ONE DAY -- SHE TOLD
ME SHE WORKED WITH THE CITY AND SHE WAS COMING OUT TO HELP
ME.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT?
SHE CAME OUT THERE TO STEAL FROM ME.
STEALING FROM ME.
ONLY NAME I GOT FROM HER WAS LEE.
YOU KNOW THAT'S SAD HOW PEOPLE COME IN, MISTREAT OLD FOLKS.
THEY COME IN AND WANT TO STEAL.

SHE TOLD ME ONLY WAY SHE CAN HELP ME, I GOT TO GIVE THEM MY
BANK ACCOUNT NUMBER.
I GAVE IT TO HER.
I FIGURED SHE WAS TRUTHFUL.
BOY, GOOD GOD ALMIGHTY, THEY ROBBED ME BIG TIME.
1112 EAST SCOTT STREET.
THAT'S WHERE I'M LOCATED AT.
THEY ROBBED ME BIG TIME BECAUSE THE THING ABOUT IT, THEY
LOOK AT ME WITH THE GRAY HAIR REALIZE THAT I'M AN OLD MAN.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT?
YOU GOT TO ALSO UNDERSTAND IF GOD LETS YOU ALL KEEP LIVING,
YOU WILL GET OLD ONE TIME.
HOPEFUL THAT YOU ALL DO, BUT I THANK GOD THAT I'M UP IN AGE
AND GOD GAVE ME A LONG LIFE.
BUT PRACTICALLY ALL MY LIFE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA I'VE
BEEN MISTREATED BECAUSE I CAME FROM THE OLD SCHOOL.
NOBODY SEEMS TO CARE THAT THEY WANT TO HELP US.
I THINK NEXT WEEK I'LL TALK TO THE GIRL NAMED LEE AND THEN
SHE DOESN'T GIVE ME THE ANSWER THAT I NEED, I HAVE TO CALL
THE POLICE.
9:32:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
9:32:41AM >> THANK YOU.
DO THE RIGHT THING.
9:32:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
EVERYBODY ELSE IS SIGNED UP FOR A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM SO

THAT WILL CLOSE OUT THE ONE-TIME ONLY PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE
BEGINNING OF THE WORKSHOP.
THAT WAS JUST AN EXCEPTION FOR TODAY.
WE'LL START WITH ITEM NUMBER 1.
WE'LL HEAR A PRESENTATION OR HAVE A DISCUSSION AND THEN
THOSE THAT SIGNED UP FOR ONE I'LL CALL UP THAT HAVE NOT
SPOKEN.
WHO WILL KICK IT OFF FOR ITEM NUMBER 1?
THIS IS A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
DO YOU WANT TO SET UP THE DISCUSSION?
9:33:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SURE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYBODY FROM STAFF TO SPEAK ON THIS.
HERE IS THE ISSUE.
I WORK WITH A LOT OF COMPANIES ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND
AROUND THE WORLD.
MOST OF THEM HAVE SOME KIND OF THIRD-PARTY SYSTEM THAT IF
SOMEBODY HAS A COMPLAINT THEY CAN CALL AND MAKE A COMPLAINT
TO SOMEONE WITHOUT FEAR OF RETRIBUTION.
THEN THERE IS AN EXTERNAL PROCESS THAT'S HANDLED SO THAT
PEOPLE CAN LOOK AT IT.
WHISTLE-BLOWERS ARE ALL DIFFERENT KINDS.
IT COULD BE SOMEBODY WHO FEELS LIKE THEY WERE DISCRIMINATED
AGAINST.
IT COULD BE SOMEBODY WHO OBSERVED SOMETHING UNETHICAL OR
ILLEGAL.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE USE OF FEDERAL MONEY IN THE WRONG WAY,
WOULD WE RATHER FIND OUT ABOUT IT BY SOMEBODY FILING A KEY
TIME SUIT OR HAVE A THIRD PARTY ALERT US THAT SOMEONE HAS
COMPLAINED THAT SOMETHING POTENTIALLY UNETHICAL HAS
HAPPENED.
RIGHT NOW, PEOPLE FEEL THAT THERE IS NO PROPER THIRD-PARTY
PROCESS WITH EMPLOYMENT ISSUES.
THEY CONTACT TYPICALLY THE HR DEPARTMENT.
HR DEPARTMENT, CONCERNED EMPLOYEES STATE TO ME IS THE HR
DEPARTMENT ULTIMATELY REPORTS TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF WHICH
REPORTS TO THE MAYOR.
SO THEY FEEL LIKE THEY CAN'T PASS ON ISSUES.
I PERSONALLY HAVE HAD DOZENS OF CALLS OVER THE LAST FIVE,
SIX YEARS.
SOME OF THEM ANONYMOUS.
MANY OF THEM PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO BE IDENTIFIED.
THE MAIN THING IS FEAR OF RETRIBUTION FROM THE SYSTEM.
THEY FEEL THAT THE SYSTEM IS ARBITRARY AND THAT THERE'S
SOMETIMES RETALIATION OR RETRIBUTION.
THOSE BECOME MAJOR CRISES AND MAJOR LAWSUITS.
WE KNOW FROM THE BUCKHORN ADMINISTRATION WE JUST RECENTLY
SETTLED A DISCRIMINATION CASE THAT WAS A FEDERAL CASE
AGAINST THAT MEN WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION FILED AGAINST THE
CITY FOR LACK OF PATERNITY COVERAGE.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT WHEN PEOPLE CONTACT ME ANONYMOUSLY, AND

MAYBE YOU ALL HAVE HAD THE SAME CALLS, THEY SAY WE DON'T
WANT TO CONTACT HR BECAUSE AS SOON AS WE DO, THE CHIEF OF
STAFF AND MAYOR KNOWS AND THEN I FEEL LIKE I'M NOT BEING
FAIRLY HEARD IN THE PROCESS SO WE NEED AN EXTERNAL SYSTEM
THAT PROTECTS PEOPLE.
I PERSONALLY HAVE HAD CASES WHERE WOMEN HAVE COME TO ME
FEELING THAT THEY WERE AFRAID TO BE AROUND A CERTAIN PERSON
WITHIN THE CITY.
I PASSED ON THE INFORMATION TO ASK WHAT TO DO.
WHAT I WAS TOLD IS THE INDIVIDUALS HAVE TO REPORT IT
DIRECTLY.
INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE REPORTED TO ME THAT THEY FEEL
DISCRIMINATED AGAINST FEEL LIKE THERE MAY BE RETRIBUTION.
THEY FEEL LIKE THEY MAY BE TURNED INTO A POLITICAL PAWN
WHERE ISSUES WOULD BE PUBLICIZED, EMBARRASSED, MIGHT HURT
THEIR CAREER.
IN THOSE CASES NOTHING EVER HAPPENED.
THERE WAS NO INVESTIGATION, EVEN THOUGH I PASSED ON THE
INFORMATION, I HAD TO PASS ON ANONYMOUSLY AND THEY WEREN'T
ABLE TO GET ANY KIND OF INVESTIGATION.
SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THE CITY PEOPLE FEEL
LIKE THEY ARE TREATED FAIRLY, THAT THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO
GIVE FEEDBACK WITHOUT RETALIATION.
I WOULD RECOMMEND SOME KIND OF SYSTEM LIKE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HERE FROM STAFF IS AROUND.

IF NOT, MAYBE YOU ALL HAVE IDEAS OF OTHER ORGANIZATIONS
YOU'VE WORKED WITH AND ISSUES LIKE THAT.
TYPICALLY THERE WOULD BE AN OUTSIDE CONSULTING FIRM AND
EMPLOYEES KNOW THERE IS A HOT LINE THEY CAN CALL AND THAT
THE INFORMATION IS KEPT ANONYMOUSLY.
THEIR IDENTITY IS NOT REPORTED BACK TO WHOEVER THE
MANAGEMENT IS SO THAT IT CAN BE HANDLED ANONYMOUSLY AND
CONFIDENTIALLY WITHOUT FEAR OF RETALIATION.
9:37:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IS THERE ANYBODY FROM STAFF?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YES, SIR.
9:37:08AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M NOT THE SMARTEST OR THE BRIGHTEST
INDIVIDUAL ON EARTH AND I ADMIT IT.
BUT I LIKE TO GO RIGHT TO THE CRUX OF THINGS THAT ARE EITHER
PERMITTED OR NOT PERMITTED, REPORTED OR NOT REPORTED,
ANONYMOUSLY OR NOT ANONYMOUSLY.
I SIT HERE AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN, FIRST OF ALL.
SECOND OF ALL, AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PEOPLE.
I'M SURE MR. CARLSON DID THAT AND -- RECEIVED THAT ARE
FACTUAL.
BEING THAT SAID, THINGS THAT YOU LEARN IN CRIMINOLOGY --
I'LL STOP THERE ONE SECOND AND GO BACK TO THE LEGISLATURE --
AND I'M NOT BLAMING THE LEGISLATURE.
VERY CAREFULLY, IF I GET A CALL AT THE OFFICE AND THAT
NUMBER COMES IN, GOT THE PERSON'S NAME ON IT, WHEN I TURN

THAT IN, I'VE GOT TO SAY THAT PERSON AT THAT NUMBER CALLED.
THAT IS A LAW THAT THE LEGISLATURE PUT IN.
NOT THIS COUNCIL.
WHAT I DO, I SAY THE OFFICE OF CHARLIE MIRANDA.
I TAKE THE HEAT.
NO MATTER WHO CALLED.
I'M SURE THAT ALL THE FACTS PRESENTED ARE VALID.
HOWEVER, HOW DO YOU SOLVE IT?
YOU SOLVE IT WITH A THIRD PARTY THAT YOU ARE PAYING THEM TO
DO SOMETHING?
I DON'T THINK SO.
I'LL GO RIGHT TO THE CRUX OF THE INVESTIGATION.
TURN IT ALL OVER TO THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW
ENFORCEMENT.
THEY ARE ASIDE FROM CITY AND COUNTY.
LET THEM HANDLE IT AND LET WHOEVER IT IS, FACT OR NOT FACT,
BE REVIEWED -- NOTICE I DIDN'T SAY INVESTIGATED.
REVIEW OF SOMETHING SOMEBODY TRANSMITTED TO A GOVERNMENT
OFFICIAL SAYING THAT THE PERSON IN CHARGE, WHOEVER IT IS,
HUMAN RELATIONS OR WHATEVER, IS NOT DOING THEIR JOB
CORRECTLY.
I GOT TO TAKE THE CLOUD OFF THE CITY OF TAMPA, WHETHER IT'S
ME THAT'S WRONG OR ANYONE ELSE OR THE PERSON WHO KEEPS
SENDING ME THINGS ARE WRONG OR RIGHT, I GOT TO COME TO THE
END OF IT.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY AS AN ELECTED
OFFICIAL.
WHATEVER SAID SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED THEN.
IF ALL THE FACTS ARE HERE, LET'S HAVE A BIG INVESTIGATION.
I CALL FOR ONE.
SO IF YOU HEAR ME, DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, TAKE ALL
THE FACTS AND LET'S GET GOING, WHETHER IT IS ME OR NOT.
I DON'T CARE WHO IT IS.
BUT IF SOMEBODY IS CALLING AND SAYING THEIR UPWARD MOBILITY
TO BE HEARD HAS BEEN INTERRUPTED, THAT'S VERY, VERY
DIFFICULT AND VERY WRONG FOR ME TO SAY THAT IT WAS NOT.
SO I PERSONALLY WANT TO KNOW WHO IS DOING THIS AND WHY THEY
ARE DOING IT, IF THEY ARE DOING IT.
SO I ASK FOR THIS COUNCIL TO PASS A RESOLUTION TO ASK THE
FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, WHICH IS NOT ATTACHED
TO THE CITY POLICE FORCE OR THE COUNTY POLICE FORCE, TO
INVESTIGATE EVERYTHING THAT WAS SAID THIS MORNING, WHETHER
IT'S ME OR ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER THAT SAYS ANYTHING TODAY
OR GOING FORWARD.
IT'S GOT TO STOP.
I WANT TO KNOW WHO IS RIGHT AND WHO IS WRONG.
THE PUBLIC DESERVES IT, NOT I.
I'M JUST A TRANSMISSION OF THE INFORMATION THAT I HEAR FROM
THIS COUNCIL.
IF THERE ARE OTHERS WHO WANT TO SAY SOMETHING IS WRONG,

LET'S GET IT OUT.
LET'S HEAR IT.
I'M NOT HERE TO STAND STILL.
WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING.
IT'S OUR GOVERNMENT.
IT'S OUR CITY.
AND IT'S GOT TO COME OUT TO WHO IS WHAT AND WHO IS DOING
WHAT, NOT RIGHT OR WRONG.
I'VE ONLY GOT TWO YEARS LEFT, MAYBE, IF THE LORD GIVES ME
FOUR, WHO KNOWS WHAT I'LL DO.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THIS HAS TO COME TO SOME RESOLUTION, TO
SAY MIRANDA IS WRONG, HE DID THIS.
FAULT ME IF I'M WRONG.
YOU LEARN THAT BY GROWING UP AND UNDERSTANDING THERE'S
ALWAYS TWO SIDES TO A STORY.
AND I'M NOT HEARING EITHER SIDE.
I HEAR INNUENDOS.
I'M NOT SAYING HE'S INCORRECT.
I'M SAYING THAT'S THE INFORMATION HE GOT THAT YOU DON'T KNOW
WHO IS RIGHT.
DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE AT.
IT'S GOT TO COME TO A RESOLUTION.
WHOEVER IS DOING THAT IT'S GOT TO END.
IF I GET A SECOND, WE'LL DO IT, IF NOT, IT DIES.
9:41:27AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SECOND.

I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU, EXCEPT I THINK IT SHOULD BE THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL.
CAN I SAY ONE THING?
THE PROCESS FOR EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE BEEN DISCRIMINATED
AGAINST IS THAT -- I'M NOT AN HR ATTORNEY -- BUT THEY ARE
REQUIRED TO GO TO THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE EEOC DIVISION,
AND THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS WITH THEM THAT TAKES
MONTHS.
AT THE END OF THAT PROCESS, THEY ARE TOLD WHETHER THEY ARE
ALLOWED TO SUE THE CITY OR NOT.
MANY EMPLOYEES DON'T WANT TO SUE THE CITY BECAUSE THEY DON'T
WANT THAT PUBLIC MARK ON THEIR REPUTATION.
ALSO I'VE BEEN TOLD LAWYERS ASK FOR 40, 50 THOUSAND DOLLAR
DEPOSIT.
MOST EMPLOYEES DON'T EARN ENOUGH TO PUT IN 40, 50 THOUSAND
DOLLARS.
IF THERE IS A PROCESS THAT HANDLES THAT, FIRST OF ALL, IT
COULD AVOID LITIGATION IN THE FUTURE AND AVOID EMBARRASSMENT
AND ALSO, MORE IMPORTANTLY, FEEL LIKE OUR EMPLOYEES ARE
BEING PROTECTED.
9:42:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CHIEF BENNETT, YOU WERE GETTING UP, SIR?
9:42:24AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
GOOD MORNING TO THE PUBLIC.
I CAME IN HAD TO KIND OF LISTEN TO THE WORKSHOP.
SINCE IT WAS BROUGHT UP AND ASKED FOR STAFF, MORE THAN HAPPY

TO COME UP.
THE ONLY THING I WANT TO POINT OUT AT THIS TIME IS THAT
PRIOR TO THIS ADMINISTRATION, THERE WAS A FRAUD HOT LINE SET
UP FOR ANONYMOUS CALLING.
IT GOES TO THE CITY AUDIT DEPARTMENT.
THE AUDIT DEPARTMENT HAS A BACKEND SYSTEM THAT MAKES SURE
THAT THE ANONYMOUS CALLER FROM THE THIRD PARTY IS CARRIED
THROUGH THE DUE PROCESS EFFORT.
THIS ADMINISTRATION, I MADE A RECOMMENDATION, THE MAYOR
APPROVED IT, WE ADDED A DISCRIMINATION SIDE TO THAT LINE.
SO WHETHER THERE'S FRAUD OR DISCRIMINATION, OCEA WYNN AS OUR
CHIEF DIVERSITY OFFICER, WOULD MONITOR THAT SIDE.
OF COURSE, ANYTHING THAT COMES THROUGH THERE TO CHRISTINE
GLOVER'S OFFICE COULD BE SET FOR INTERNAL OR EXTERNAL
INVESTIGATIONS.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC IS AWARE THE LINE
EXISTS.
IT IS A PAID-FOR SERVICE.
BUT THAT DOESN'T COMPLETELY ANSWER WHAT COUNCIL WAS
DISCUSSING.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY WAS AWARE OF THAT.
9:43:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IF THERE'S ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION --
9:43:33AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I APOLOGIZE.
HAS THERE BEEN, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ANY DISCUSSION WITH
UNIONS ON THIS?

ATU, PBA, 754 ON THEIR FEELINGS?
9:43:44AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'VE SPOKEN I THINK TO ALL OF THEM.
THEY INTERVENE ON CASES ALSO, AND I DON'T WANT TO NAME NAMES
OR SITUATIONS, TRYING NOT TO IDENTIFY BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE
ASKED TO BE ANONYMOUS, BUT THERE ARE CASES WHERE THE UNIONS
FEEL LIKE THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO, THEY ARE POWERLESS AS WELL.
AND THERE'S SOME PRETTY EGREGIOUS STUFF THAT HAS HAPPENED.
ALLEGATIONS OF RETALIATION AGAINST EMPLOYEES, FORMER
EMPLOYEES.
9:44:13AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I ASK THAT BECAUSE IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT
THE UNIONS FELT THAT WE NEEDED CHANGE ON FORMALLY THAT THEY
COULD SPEAK OUT ON THROUGH THEIR PRESIDENT, THAT WOULD BE
USEFUL INFORMATION.
THAT'S ALL.
THANK YOU, SIR.
9:44:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
9:44:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A HOT LINE BUT IT'S
NOT WORKING IS BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING OR PEOPLE DON'T
FEEL COMFORTABLE USING IT.
9:44:35AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ALSO HEAD AUDITOR REPORTS TO THE MAYOR.
9:44:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S FAIR.
IF YOU HAD A MOTION TO SUPPORT STARTING -- YOU KNOW, LOOKING
INTO A THIRD PARTY, I MEAN, I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THAT AS
SOMEONE WHO, YOU KNOW, WORKED FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD AND HAD
UNION REPRESENTATION.

BUT SOMETIMES THAT WASN'T ENOUGH.
I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND.
I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE WE NEED TO DO NEXT
AND KEEPING IT OUTSIDE OF THE CONFINES OF THE CITY, I THINK
THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
9:45:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.
BEFORE WE TAKE ANY ACTION ON ANY MOTIONS, I WANT TO GO TO
PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST.
9:45:18AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT'S FINE.
I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION, NOT TO TAKE A VOTE UNTIL THE
END.
I UNDERSTAND MAKING A THIRD PARTY.
THEY ARE GOING TO QUESTION THE THIRD PARTY.
WHY NOT GIVE IT TO ANOTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY THAT'S NOT
TIED TO ANYBODY?
THAT'S WHAT THEIR JOB IS DONE FOR?
WHY THEY WERE CREATED.
THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.
IF EVERYTHING THAT I'VE HEARD TODAY IS ON THE RECORD, THERE
WILL BE AN INVESTIGATION TO LOOK AT THE THINGS THAT ARE
VALID AND LOOK AT THINGS THAT THERE IS A DISCONNECT BETWEEN
TWO PARTIES THAT MEAN NOTHING.
THEY JUST DON'T LIKE EACH OTHER.
BUT IT'S GOT TO COME OUT.
YOU CANNOT CONTINUE TO RUN A GOVERNMENT AND EVERY, EVERY SO

OFTEN, WELL, THIS DOESN'T LIKE THAT, THIS DOESN'T LIKE THAT.
THIS DOESN'T GO HERE.
WHAT'S WRONG?
THERE'S BEEN NO CRIMINAL ACTION.
I WANT CRIMINAL ACTION.
I'M ASKING FOR MY OWN INVESTIGATION.
I'M ASKING ALL OF US BE INVESTIGATED, FROM THE MAYOR DOWN.
TO EVERYTHING WE HAVE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION ON IT AND VOTE ON IT IF WE CAN, MR.
CHAIRMAN, AFTER THE DISCUSSION.
9:46:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
LET ME CHECK THE PUBLIC COMMENT HERE.
SIGN UP AND MAYBE IT WILL REFRESH.
9:46:43AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MAYBE SHE CAN SIGN UP AFTERWARDS.
WE'RE DOING THIS TODAY FOR THE FIRST TIME.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:46:59AM >> ROBIN LOCKETT.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A THIRD PARTY.
I THINK WHEN EMPLOYEES, THIS IS PERTAINING TO EMPLOYEE
GRIEVANCES.
NOT EVERY GRIEVANCE IS A CRIMINAL ACT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO
GET INVOLVED IN IT.
BUT HOW DO YOU KEEP OR HAVE SOMEBODY FEEL SAFE BECAUSE THERE
IS A THING OF RETALIATION.

SUPERVISORS RETALIATE.
THE EMPLOYEES DO RETALIATE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO KEEP
WHATEVER IS GOING ON IN THERE, AND THEY RETALIATE AGAINST
THE EMPLOYEES.
I THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO SHOW THAT THE CITY WANTS THESE
THINGS, THE BAD ACTORS TO BE HANDLED OR TAKEN CARE OF SO
THEY'LL KNOW WHO THEY ARE DEALING WITH.
I THINK THAT A THIRD PARTY, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR A THIRD PARTY
TO BE INVOLVED IN IT.
AND IT'S GIVING -- IT'S LOOKING AT THINGS THROUGH A
DIFFERENT LENS.
I ALWAYS TALK ABOUT LOOKING AT THINGS THROUGH LENSES.
WHEN YOU'RE IN THE SYSTEM, SOMEBODY THAT REPORTS TO
ADMINISTRATION OR TO ANYBODY THAT'S IN THE SYSTEM, THIS
SYSTEM IS WELL OILED, AND THIS SYSTEM IS VERY DEEP.
SO PEOPLE ADHERE.
ALTHOUGH THEY WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING, THEY WANT TO
PROTECT THEIR JOB.
SO IF THEM KEEPING SOMEBODY OR HANDLING A PERSON A CERTAIN
WAY ALLOWS THEM TO KEEP THEIR JOB, EVERYBODY IS AFRAID OF
LOSING THEIR JOB.
THE THIRD PARTY IS NOT.
HOPEFULLY WHATEVER THIRD PARTY THAT YOU DECIDE ON WILL BE
HONEST AND ABLE TO, YOU KNOW -- YEAH, I AGREE.
THANK YOU.

AND THANK YOU.
I'LL GO SIGN UP.
9:48:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
STEPHANIE POYNOR IS OUR FIRST SPEAKER FOLLOWED BY DANNI
JORGENSON, ALANA BRASIER, CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
THOSE ARE THE SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.
STEPHANIE POYNOR WILL BE THE FIRST SPEAKER FOR ITEM NUMBER
1.
9:49:11AM >> GOOD MORNING, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE CASES WHERE JORGENSON SHOULD BE
GOING FIRST.
THIS IS AN HR ISSUE.
WHILE I APPRECIATE CHIEF BENNETT BEING HERE, I WOULD LIKED
TO HAVE SEEN THE HR DEPARTMENT HEAD BE HERE.
DATA DRIVEN FOLKS WOULD LOOK AT HUMAN CAPITAL IN THE CITY
THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND THE BRAIN DRAIN WE'VE SEEN.
ARE THE FOLKS AT THIS LEVEL -- I'VE GOT A SHORT LIST OF
PEOPLE THAT I KNOW OF AND I DON'T KNOW ALL OF THEM
PERSONALLY.
CRAP, I LEFT MY PHONE BACK THERE BECAUSE I WASN'T READY.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, THESE ARE SOME BIG FISH.
THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING GOOD MONEY.
MUCH BETTER MONEY THAN I DO.
ALL THE PEOPLE LEFT.
DID ANY HAVE AN EXIT INTERVIEW?

DO THESE FOLKS GET CONTRACTS OR AT-WILL EMPLOYEES?
IF THEY ARE AT-WILL EMPLOYEES, THEN THEY HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT
WHAT THEY SAY AND WHAT THEY DO.
I KNOW OTHER ENTITIES GIVE CONTRACTS TO THESE FOLKS SO
THERE'S SOME KIND OF JOB PROTECTION SO THEY CAN ENSURE THEY
ARE DOING THE CORRECT THING.
THANK YOU.
TWO YEARS AGO, MOST OF THE FOLKS ON THIS LIST WERE GIVEN
SUBSTANTIAL RAISES BY THE MAYOR.
SHE WANTED TO GIVE THEM BIG-FAT RAISES.
REMEMBER THAT?
WE HAD TO RATCHET DOWN THE BUDGET BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GIVE
THEM A THING.
IF THEY WERE CRAPPY EMPLOYEES, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE WANTED TO
GIVE THEM BIG RAISES.
ALSO POINT OUT THAT WE SPENT $100,000 OF CITIZENS' MONEY TO
INVESTIGATE COUNCILMAN GUDES AND ABOUT 25,000 TO INVESTIGATE
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, BUT I'VE NEVER SEEN A SIGN THAT SAYS,
"HERE'S HOW YOU CAN REPORT A PROBLEM" SIGN.
NEVER SEEN IT IN THE CITY.
YOU KNOW WHAT, WHEN YOU WORK IN A SCHOOL, WHEN YOU WORK IN A
BIG FACTORY, BIG COMPANY, IF THEY HAVE A THIRD-PARTY VENDOR
WHO DOES THAT, THEY ARE IN THE BATHROOM, BACK OF BATHROOM
DOORS, ELEVATOR, WHERE EVERYBODY CAN FIND THEM.
BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF TRAUMA SOMEBODY IS GOING

THROUGH AT THE TIME.
THESE FOLKS WERE CIVIL SERVANTS.
THEY ARE NOT UNION MEMBERS.
THEY CAN'T GO TO THE UNION BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT UNION
MEMBERS.
WHAT ABOUT THEM?
WHAT DO WE THINK ABOUT WITH THEM?
I'M SORRY.
I WAS UNPREPARED BECAUSE I THOUGHT I WAS GOING SECOND.
THIS IS WHAT IS REALLY CUMBERSOME.
HERE ARE ALL THE MEDIA RELEASES WHERE WE LOST ALL THE HEADS
AND DEPARTMENT HEADS OVER AND OVER AGAIN, BUT IT'S MY
UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE HAVEN'T BEEN EXIT INTERVIEWS.
DON'T YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY THESE FOLKS HAVE LEFT THE CITY?
PEOPLE WHO MAKE WAY BETTER MONEY THAN I DO.
THEY JUST PACKED UP AND LEFT.
SOME MAYBE LEFT BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO.
SOME FELT VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.
I THINK IT'S VERY ODD THAT HR IS NOT HERE AND WE HAVEN'T
DONE A LITTLE BIT OF THIS.
9:52:09AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THERE WERE TWO NAMES, IF I MAY LOOK AT
YOUR LIST, THAT RINGS A BELL IN MY HEAD.
FIRST, MS. TRAVIS.
DOING A FANTASTIC JOB IN MY MIND, MY BOOK.
A WEEK OR SO BEFORE ALL THIS HAPPENED, THE RESIGNATION, I

SAW HER WALKING IN THE PARKING LOT.
I CALLED HER OVER.
YOU CAN ASK HER.
YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU DON'T LOOK TOO HAPPY AT ALL.
THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON THAT I DON'T LIKE I TOLD HER.
AND I THINK YOU'RE NOT HAPPY HERE.
SO I DON'T THINK SHE LEFT BECAUSE OF THAT, BUT SHE DID
LEAVE.
LET'S GO TO THE ELMO.
MS. MOODY, ALL FOUR PEOPLE WHO LEFT WORKED FOR THE MAYOR.
MS. MOODY NEVER WORKED FOR THE MAYOR.
SHE WAS THE HARD OF CRA.
THE CITY COUNCIL IN CHARGE OF THE CRA, NOT THE MAYOR.
MAYBE SHE LEFT BECAUSE OF ME.
I DON'T KNOW.
I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT WHY.
9:52:59AM >> THAT IS THE REASON WHY I'M SAYING WHY DON'T WE HAVE EXIT
INTERVIEWS.
FIND OUT WHY, ASK THEM.
9:53:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THAT LIST IS EVERYBODY -- EVERYBODY ON THAT LIST IS A
SUPERSTAR.
EVERY NAME I SAW ARE PEOPLE THAT I HAVE TREMENDOUS RESPECT
FOR.
9:53:16AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT LIST ALSO DOES NOT INCLUDE THE PEOPLE

THAT HAVE LEFT TPD, FIRE, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, AND AT LEAST
ONE OF THE FOLKS THAT LEFT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT FILED A
LAWSUIT.
9:53:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER IS DANNI JORGENSEN, FOLLOWED BY ALANA BRASIER
AND CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
GOOD MORNING, MA'AM.
9:53:38AM >> MY NAME IS DANNI JORGENSEN.
GOOD MORNING.
UNTIL JUNE 2, 2023, I SERVED AS MANAGER OF THE
TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING DIVISION AND THE MOBILITY
DEPARTMENT.
DURING MY TENURE AT THE CITY, I HAD AN EXEMPLARY PERFORMANCE
RECORD, RECEIVED NUMEROUS ACCOLADES AND BOTH THE CITY AND
MAYOR CASTOR RECOGNIZED ME NUMEROUS TIMES FOR MY
CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE MAYOR'S TRANSPORTATION INITIATIVES.
I'M HERE TODAY TO ADDRESS ISSUES CONCERNING DISCRIMINATION
AT THE CITY THAT NOT ONLY IMPACTED ME BUT ALSO OTHERS WHO
LEFT THE CITY AND THOSE STILL WITH THE CITY WHO MAY BE
AFRAID TO SPEAK OUT.
I FEEL THAT THE CITY HAS NOT PROPERLY ADDRESSED ALLEGATIONS
OF DISCRIMINATION OR HARASSMENT AND IT'S TIME TO HAVE AN
OPEN DISCUSSION AND INVESTIGATE THESE ISSUES.
DURING MY EMPLOYMENT WITH THE CITY, I EXPERIENCED
DISCRIMINATION AND HARASSMENT THAT I BELIEVE WAS BASED ON MY

SEX AND FAMILIAL STATUS AS A WORKING MOTHER.
THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR REPEATEDLY TOLD ME TO KEEP
MY OPINIONS TO MYSELF AND I WITNESSED HIS CONSTANT CRITICISM
DIRECTED AT WOMEN EMPLOYEES FOR OCCASIONALLY TAKING
ADVANTAGE OF REMOTE WORK FOR CHILD CARE REASONS DESPITE THAT
THESE WOMEN WERE SOME OF THE HIGHEST PERFORMERS.
I IMAGINE THE QUESTION IN YOUR MINDS RIGHT NOW IS IF THERE
WAS A BLATANT DISCRIMINATION AND HARASSMENT OCCURRING ON
YOUR TEAM, WHY NOT RAISE CONCERNS TO HR AND FILE A
GRIEVANCE?
THE TRUTH IS I WAS FEARFUL BECAUSE I WITNESSED SOMEONE
ENDURE WHAT I BELIEVED TO BE RETALIATORY CONDUCT AFTER
SPEAKING OUT AND FILING A GRIEVANCE CONCERNING THE
LEADERSHIP WITHIN THE ADMINISTRATION.
THIS FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE SHOWED ME HOW THE CITY'S
LEADERSHIP TREATS AGGRIEVED EMPLOYEES WHEN THEY COME FORWARD
AND TAUGHT ME HR WAS NOT A SAFE PLACE TO GO.
ADDITIONALLY, AFTER CONTACTING HR REGARDING CITYWIDE POLICY,
MOBILITY DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR INSTRUCTED ME NOT TO SPEAK TO
HR.
BASED ON THIS EXPERIENCE, I RAISED CONCERNS APRIL 2023 TO A
MEMBER OF THE MAYOR'S EXECUTIVE TEAM REGARDING HOW I FELT
THAT WORKING MOTHERS, INCLUDING MYSELF, WERE EXPERIENCING
HARASSMENT, DISCRIMINATION AND A TOXIC WORK ENVIRONMENT FROM
THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT'S LEADERSHIP.

WHILE I WAS ASSURED THAT THE MAYOR WOULD LOOK INTO THIS AS
SHE WOULD NEVER SUPPORT THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR I'M UNAWARE
THAT ANY INVESTIGATION TOOK PLACE AT THAT TIME BECAUSE NO
ONE EVER QUESTIONED ME FURTHER ABOUT THIS.
THEREAFTER I WAS FIRED WITH NO REASON OR EXPLANATION OTHER
THAN MY POSITION WAS AT WILL AND DID NOT INCLUDE CONTINUAL
EMPLOYMENT EXCEPT AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CITY.
IN FACT, THIS WAS THE SAME RESPONSE I RECEIVED AFTER
INITIATING GRIEVANCE PROCEDURES BASED ON THE DISCRIMINATION
I EXPERIENCED IN MY SUBSEQUENT TERMINATION.
DESPITE HR OWN WRITTEN POLICY THAT --
9:56:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS.
KEEP GOING.
9:56:11AM >> DESPITE HR'S OWN WRITTEN POLICIES THAT COMPLAINTS OF
DISCRIMINATION MUST BE THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATED AND THAT SUCH
POLICY IS TO BE STRINGENTLY AND UNIFORMLY ENFORCED IT IS MY
UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CITY HAS YET TO INVESTIGATE MY CLAIMS
OF DISCRIMINATION AND HARASSMENT BASED ON THE LACK OF
INTERVIEWS OR FURTHER INQUIRY FROM THE CITY.
AFTER MY DEPARTURE, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT APPROXIMATELY
FIVE WOMEN RESIGNED FROM THE CITY IN QUICK SUCCESSION AND I
DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE CITY CONDUCTED EXIT INTERVIEWS OR
OTHERWISE PROVIDED AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THESE WOMEN TO SHARE
THEIR CONCERNS.
9:56:40AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE MORE MINUTE.

9:56:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD.
ONE MORE MINUTE.
KEEP GOING.
9:56:44AM >> THEREFORE, I URGE THIS COUNCIL TO CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT
INVESTIGATION INTO THE ALLEGATIONS OF DISCRIMINATION AND
HARASSMENT TO ENSURE TRANSPARENCY, FAIRNESS, ACCOUNTABILITY,
AND A WORKPLACE FREE FROM UNLAWFUL DISCRIMINATION AND
HARASSMENT.
THE CITY OF TAMPA ROUTINELY TOUTS EQUITY AND DIVERSITY AND
AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION WILL ENSURE SUCH COMPLAINTS ARE
PROPERLY ADDRESSED.
9:57:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALANA BRASIER AND CARROLL ANN BENNETT WILL BE THE LAST
SPEAKER -- I'M SORRY, YES, THE LAST SPEAKER FOR THIS ITEM.
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:57:19AM >> GOOD MORNING.
ALANA BRASIER.
I SERVED THE CITY AS VISION ZERO COORDINATOR AND CHIEF
PLANNER IN THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT FROM 2020 TO 2023.
I LED MAJOR TRANSPORTATION EFFORTS UNDER THE MAYOR'S
TRANSFORMING TAMPA'S TOMORROW INITIATIVE INCLUDING
DEVELOPING THE CITY'S FIRST VISION ZERO ACTION PLAN, THE
MOBILITY PLAN TAMPA MOVES AND SUCCESSFULLY SECURING TENS OF
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN FEDERAL GRANTS.
TODAY I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE FIRING OF DANNI JORGENSON,

MY OWN TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCE WORKING AT THE CITY, AND THE
LARGER ISSUE THAT I BELIEVE HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED BY SO
MANY PEOPLE IN PARTICULAR WOMEN LEFT A SMALL DIVISION OF THE
MOBILITY DEPARTMENT IN A SHORT SPAN OF TIME AND WHY NO ONE
HAS BEEN HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
HERE'S SOME BACKGROUND.
I WORKED WITHIN THE TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING DIVISION AND
THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT REPORTING TO DANNI JORGENSON, THE
FORMER MANAGER OF THE DIVISION WHO WAS FIRED IN JUNE 2023.
BEING A MANAGER MEANT SHE WAS AT WILL AND THEREFORE COULD BE
RELEASED FROM EMPLOYMENT AT ANY TIME PER CITY POLICY.
STILL TO FIRE SOMEONE WITHOUT CITING ANY REASON WHY IS NOT
JUSTIFIABLE.
DOES NOT SEEM JUSTIFIABLE TO ME.
BEFORE DANNI'S FIRING, THIS IS WHAT THE TRANSPORTATION
ENGINEERING DIVISION LOOKED LIKE.
THE TOP ORG CHART.
THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE LESS THAN A YEAR LATER.
ALL THE GRAY BOXES ARE STAFF WHO RESIGNED, RETIRED OR
TRANSFERRED DIVISIONS EXCEPT FOR DANNI WHO WAS FIRED.
CLEARLY SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE.
WHAT'S MORE WRONG IS THAT I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S BEEN ANY
INVESTIGATION BY THE CITY AS TO WHY SO MANY PEOPLE LEFT.
THIS IS MY OPINION BECAUSE NO ONE TALKED TO ME OR ANY OF MY
OTHER COLLEAGUES WHO LEFT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED AND

WHY.
I DON'T BELIEVE ANYONE HAD EXIT INTERVIEWS.
HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN IN A HIGH-PROFILE DEPARTMENT LIKE
MOBILITY, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE ARE OPEN DISCRIMINATION
CASES?
WHY WAS NO ONE IN HR ASKING US QUESTIONS?
IF THEY ASKED US QUESTIONS THEY WOULD HAVE HEARD EXPERIENCES
LIKE MINE.
IN MY OPINION, I EXPERIENCED THE FOLLOWING TREATMENT WHILE
EMPLOYED WITH THE CITY, BEING INTENTIONALLY LEFT OUT OF KEY
MEETINGS THAT WOULD HELP ME DO MY JOB EFFECTIVELY, BEING
FALSELY ACCUSED OF MANIPULATING MY TIME SHEET BY NOT
REPORTING TIME OFF.
BEING FALSELY ACCUSED OF WORKING FROM HOME, QUOTE, MORE THAN
ANYONE IN THE WHOLE CITY AND WITHOUT APPROVAL.
BEING SURVEILLED BY SKIP LEVEL STAFF AND MY TEAM WHO
REPORTED BACK TO THE MOBILITY DIRECTOR WHEN I WAS OR WAS NOT
IN MY OFFICE TO TRY TO CATCH ME WORKING FROM HOME WITHOUT
APPROVAL.
BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST BECAUSE I'M A WORKING MOTHER AND
I BELIEVE THE MOBILITY DIRECTOR ASSUMED THAT IF I WAS NOT AT
MY DESK THEN I MUST BE WORKING FROM HOME WITH MY KID.
SEEING MY MALE COLLEAGUE WHOSE OFFICE WAS NEXT DOOR TO MINE
AND WHO IS A FATHER OF YOUNG CHILDREN NOT RECEIVE THIS LEVEL
OF SCRUTINY ON WHEN HE WAS OR WAS NOT IN THE OFFICE.

HEARING FROM ANOTHER MALE COLLEAGUE THAT HE RARELY SUBMITTED
HIS OWN TIME SHEETS AND OFTEN WORKED FROM HOME ON FRIDAYS.
BEING FALSELY ACCUSED OF STEALING MONEY FROM THE CITY BY
SENDING WORK TO THE CONSULTING FIRM MY HUSBAND WORKED FOR
AND I BELIEVE THIS RUMOR WAS SPREAD ABOUT ME BEHIND MY BACK.
10:00:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU CAN HAVE ANOTHER MINUTE.
10:00:23AM >> THE LAST SIX MONTHS OF MY TIME AT THE CITY WERE EXTREMELY
DISTRESSING.
I BELIEVE MOBILITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE LEADERSHIP WERE
TARGETING ME AND DEVISING WAYS TO GET RID OF ME.
I ALSO FELT THAT I COULD NOT GO TO HR ABOUT THESE CONCERNS
BECAUSE OF THE WAY I SAW SCARLET LOPEZ RETALIATED AGAINST
WHEN SHE FILED A GRIEVANCE WITH HR ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE
AND MOBILITY ADMINISTRATOR.
SEEING HOW SCARLET WAS TREATED MADE ME FEEL THAT HR WAS NOT
A SAFE OPTION.
I DID, HOWEVER, SHARE MY CONCERNS WITH CERTAIN KEY STAFF
WITHIN THE CITY THAT I HAD WORKING RELATIONSHIPS WITH,
INCLUDING STAFF IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.
I SHARED WHAT I WAS EXPERIENCING AND THAT I WAS LOOKING FOR
EMPLOYMENT ELSEWHERE BECAUSE OF THIS.
10:01:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU HAVE 30 MORE SECONDS.
10:01:01AM >> I WAS TOLD, NO, YOU CAN'T LEAVE, WE NEED YOU.
A MONTH LATER, DANNI WAS FIRED, AND I LEARNED THAT I WAS TO
BE FIRED THE FOLLOWING WEEK.

THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE THE DAY DANNI WAS FIRED WAS ALSO
MY LAST DAY IN THE OFFICE.
I SAW MY DOCTOR THE DAY BEFORE DANNI WAS FIRED AND TOLD HER
WHAT I HAD BEEN EXPERIENCING AT WORK AND HOW I FELT LIKE I
COULD HARDLY BREATHE.
SHE DIAGNOSED ME WITH COMPLEX PTSD DUE TO THE TOXIC WORK
ENVIRONMENT AND WORKPLACE BULLYING I WAS ENDURING AND
ORDERED ME TO TAKE A FEW WEEKS OFF FROM WORK, WHICH TURNED
OUT TO BE MY LAST FEW WEEKS EMPLOYED BY THE CITY.
THE YEAR THAT FOLLOWED WAS ONE OF ANGER, DENIAL, DESPAIR,
AND GRIEF.
WHAT MADE THE EXPERIENCE SO MUCH MORE PAINFUL WAS DESPITE
HOW MUCH WE HAD ACCOMPLISHED AND HOW HARD WE WORKED FOR THE
CITY, I BELIEVE LEADERSHIP CARED MORE ABOUT PRESERVING ITS
IMAGE THAN DOING THE RIGHT THING.
MADE ME FEEL LIKE MY CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE CITY DID NOT
MATTER.
IN MY OPINION, NO ONE IN LEADERSHIP WAS SEARCHING FOR THE
TRUTH OR INTERESTED IN HOLDING ANYONE ACCOUNTABLE.
IS THIS WHAT A CITY THAT VALUES ITS STAFF LOOKS LIKE?
DOES THIS SHOW STAFF THAT THE CITY'S LEADERSHIP ARE LOOKING
OUT FOR THEM?
I REALLY LOVED MY JOB AT THE CITY.
I FELT SO FULFILLED IN MY ROLE AND LOVED THE TEAM I WORKED
WITH.

I WOULD STILL BE THERE TODAY IF THIS HAD NOT BEEN ALLOWED TO
HAPPEN.
BUT THE TOXIC ENVIRONMENT AND LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY FOR
LEADERSHIP MADE STAYING IMPOSSIBLE.
HOW MANY OTHER STAFF DEPARTURES MUST IT TAKE FOR PEOPLE IN
LEADERSHIP TO DO SOMETHING?
THE CITY IS NOTHING WITHOUT ITS STAFF, THOSE HARDWORKING
INDIVIDUALS WHO SHOW UP EVERY DAY TO GET THINGS DONE.
THEY DESERVE BETTER AND OUR CITY DESERVES BETTER.
WE WILL NEVER REACH OUR FULL POTENTIAL AS A CITY IF WE DON'T
TAKE CARE OF OUR PEOPLE.
THANK YOU.
10:02:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
CARROLL ANN BENNETT, YOU ARE THE LAST SPEAKER ON ITEM NUMBER
1.
10:02:43AM >> HI.
MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
I WAS A UNION REP FOR MANY YEARS.
DUE TO THAT EXPERIENCE, I UNDERSTAND HOW BRAVE THESE WOMEN
ARE TO COME FORWARD AND TESTIFY PUBLICLY ON THE RECORD IN A
RECORDED VENUE THAT CAN BE BROADCAST ANYWHERE.
IT'S AN AMAZING FEAT OF BRAVERY.
I SAW PEOPLE THAT WORK ON A REGULAR BASIS WOULD COME TO ME
ABOUT ISSUES, BUT THEY WERE AFRAID TO FILE A GRIEVANCE, THEY
WERE AFRAID TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY

WORRIED ABOUT RETALIATION IN A HUNDRED LITTLE PETTY WAYS
THAT WOULD MAKE THEIR LIFE MORE MISERABLE.
THEY WOULD FREQUENTLY ASK ME TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT
WITHOUT BRINGING THEIR NAME INTO IT BECAUSE THEY WERE
AFRAID.
AND THE ONES WHO STOOD UP, A LOT OF THEM DID SUFFER FOR THAT
BRAVERY AND FOR THAT HONESTY.
I ALSO KNOW THROUGH MY EXPERIENCE AS A UNION REP THAT NOT
EVERYTHING CAN GO TO THE EEOC.
IT HAS TO FALL UNDER A CERTAIN PURVIEW AND IT DOESN'T ALWAYS
-- YOU CAN BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST OR YOU CAN BE HARMED
THAT IS NOT BECAUSE OF ONE OF THE PURVIEWS OF THE EEOC.
SO THAT'S NOT REALLY THE ANSWER.
I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT PEOPLE TALK TO ME.
THEY TRUST MY DISCRETION.
PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR THE CITY, WHO USED TO WORK FOR THE CITY.
AND I HEAR WHAT HAPPENS.
I HEARD THAT SOMETIMES THEY ARE BASICALLY ORDERED TO DO
SOMETHING THAT IS UNETHICAL AND THEY KNOW THAT THEIR JOB IS
ON THE LINE IF THEY DON'T DO IT.
I WILL NEVER REVEAL THEIR NAMES AND THAT'S WHY THEY TALK TO
ME.
SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE.
THERE NEEDS TO BE EXIT INTERVIEWS.
THERE NEEDS TO BE AN INVESTIGATION.

THERE WERE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST TWO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT
WERE AGGRESSIVELY INVESTIGATED AND PURSUED, BUT THAT DOESN'T
SEEM TO HAPPEN -- IT'S NOT AN EVEN APPLICATION ACROSS THE
BOARD.
IF YOU'RE NOT HAVING EXIT INTERVIEWS, IF YOU'RE NOT HAVING
INVESTIGATIONS, NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO TO COURT AND FILE
A LAWSUIT.
THE TOLL THAT SORT OF THING TAKES ON YOU MENTALLY,
EMOTIONALLY, FINANCIALLY ON YOUR FAMILY, A LOT OF TIMES THEY
JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S NOT WORTH IT.
THEY ARE JUST GOING TO CHALK IT UP, ACCEPT THEIR LOSSES AND
MOVE ON.
SO, PLEASE, EMPLOYEES, TAKE WHAT THEY HAVE SAID SERIOUSLY
AND UNDERSTAND FOR EACH PERSON WHO IS BRAVE ENOUGH TO DO
WHAT THOSE TWO WOMEN DID TODAY, THERE'S PROBABLY TEN PEOPLE
OR MORE WHO HAVE DECIDED THE PRICE IS TOO HIGH TO BE THAT
BRAVE AND THAT HEROIC.
THANK YOU.
10:05:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
10:05:25AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
COULD WE ASK THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT, LIKE, BUNCH
OF PEOPLE DON'T COME IN WHILE SOMEONE IS SPEAKING?
10:05:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BRING THEM IN NOW.
10:05:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT WAS A LITTLE HARD TO FOLLOW.
10:05:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IS THAT EVERYBODY?
MR. REMER IS HERE.

SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCE AND STUDENTS FROM AMSTERDAM
UNIVERSITY OF APPLIED SCIENCES AS WELL AS A COUPLE OF
STUDENTS FROM HCC, VISITING US TODAY IN CHAMBERS.
PLEASE STAND AND BE RECOGNIZED.
WELCOME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
[ APPLAUSE ]
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THEY WILL BE OBSERVING AND HANGING OUT WITH US FOR A LITTLE
BIT.
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, THIS IS YOUR MOTION.
I'LL START OFF WITH YOU.
10:06:29AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST WANTED TO SAY --
10:06:32AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I CAN.
FORGIVE ME FOR INTERRUPTING.
IT'S HARD TO PUT THE GENIE BACK IN THE BOTTLE.
DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT.
I WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL THAT YOU SHOULD AVOID ANY
DISCUSSION PARTICULAR TO MATTERS AT A PUBLIC MEETING WHERE
THE CITY IS LIKELY TO BE A PARTY OF LITIGATION WITHOUT
CONCURRENCE OF COUNSEL AND CERTAINLY THAT MEANS THE CITY
ATTORNEY IN THIS CASE.
IN TERMS OF SPECIFICS.
GENERALITIES, SUBJECT OF TODAY'S DISCUSSION, CERTAINLY
THAT'S COUNCIL'S PURVIEW.
10:07:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.

10:07:07AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, AND I CAN'T THANK ENOUGH THE TWO
FORMER EMPLOYEES FOR COMING BEFORE US.
IT'S AN INCREDIBLY BRAVE THING TO DO.
THE REASON WHY THERE AREN'T MORE IS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE
AFRAID BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW HOW IT WILL AFFECT THEIR
CAREER.
IT'S ON CAMERA.
THERE IS A REPORTER IN THE BACK.
HOW WILL IT AFFECT THEIR FUTURE EMPLOYMENT BY COMING TO A
MEETING LIKE THIS?
I'M ALWAYS CHALLENGED BY THE ADMINISTRATION, WELL, GIVE ME
EXAMPLES, GIVE ME EXAMPLES.
WELL, THERE ARE TWO EXAMPLES RIGHT THERE.
I'VE HAD AT LEAST A HUNDRED CALLS LIKE THIS.
AND MANY OF THEM I'M IN TEARS LIKE WE ALL FELT JUST NOW
BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO AND HOW TO HELP THEM.
WHEN I CALL TO ASK TO GET HELP, I'M TOLD, WELL, THE EMPLOYEE
HAS TO CALL US AND HAS TO REPORT IT.
I SAY THE EMPLOYEE IS AFRAID OF RETALIATION.
WHAT ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO DO?
WELL, THEY HAVE TO CONTACT US.
IF THEY DON'T CONTACT US, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING.
WE NEED A THIRD-PARTY CASE.
SINCE COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA MENTIONED THE ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE, THAT'S MY PASSION AREA.

I SPOKE TO THOSE EMPLOYEES ALMOST EVERY DAY.
I'VE SPOKEN TO THEM MANY, MANY TIMES SINCE THEY LEFT.
I FOLLOWED THEM THROUGH THE ONE OR TWO YEARS OF SUFFERING
THAT THEY HAD.
I KNOW IN DETAIL WHY THEY LEFT AND I REPORTED THAT TO THE
ADMINISTRATION.
I'VE REPORTED IT TO HR AND LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
BUT THE SAME THING.
THEY DON'T TO COME FORWARD AND TALK ABOUT IT.
BY THE WAY, THERE WAS AT LEAST ONE MEETING WHERE THE
ADMINISTRATION MET TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BLAME IT ON
CITY COUNCIL.
THEY TRIED TO FABRICATE AND EXCUSE TO BLAME CITY COUNCIL,
WHICH IS NOT TRUE.
THERE'S PLENTY OF DOCUMENTED REASONS WHY THEY LEFT.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE SHOULDN'T LOOK AT ANY INDIVIDUAL.
I'M NOT GIVING INDIVIDUAL EXAMPLES BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL
FOR LITIGATION.
SOME OF THEM MAY END UP IN LITIGATION, PLUS I DON'T WANT TO
IDENTIFY PEOPLE.
THERE ARE MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS WHERE THIS IS HAPPENING.
I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY OF US EVER INTERFACE WITH ANYBODY IN
MOBILITY.
WE AS CITY COUNCIL DON'T INTERFACE WITH MOST POLICE OFFICERS
OR FIREFIGHTERS.

WE DON'T INTERFACE WITH MOST OF THE PEOPLE ON THE LIST.
AND THE PROBLEM IS WHETHER THESE ISSUES WERE CREATED UNDER
THIS ADMINISTRATION OR THE LAST ADMINISTRATION AND THEY HAVE
INHERITED THEM, WE ALL NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO RESOLVE
THEM.
IF THE MAYOR AND THE ADMINISTRATION COLLABORATE WITH CITY
COUNCIL TO RESOLVE THE PROBLEM AND HELP PEOPLE FIGURE OUT
HOW TO SOLVE THIS, THEN IT'S NOT ABOUT BLAMING ANYBODY.
I'M NOT UP HERE SAYING OTHER THE ADMINISTRATION PROMOTES
DISCRIMINATION.
I'M SAYING WE ALL NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO TRY TO FIX IT.
THANK YOU.
10:09:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HURTAK AND MIRANDA.
10:09:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I COMPLETELY AGREE.
I THINK WE NEED TO USE A THIRD PARTY.
I DON'T THINK THE FDLE IS THE PROPER PLACE TO GO.
I THINK THEY SOLELY DEAL WITH CRIMINAL THINGS, AND THIS IS
NOT A CRIMINAL ISSUE.
I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE NEED A THIRD PARTY.
BUT I DO BELIEVE -- AND MR. SHELBY CAN HELP ME HERE -- THAT
WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO HOLD INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS, THE
CITY COUNCIL DOES.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE WE NEED TO GO NEXT.
I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS THAT HAVE

CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE WHO FEEL AS THOUGH THEY HAVE NOT
BEEN TREATED EQUITABLY.
AND THIS IS THE PART THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I GET
THE SAME PHONE CALLS.
I TALK TO QUITE A FEW PEOPLE ON THAT LIST I'VE SPOKEN TO
ABOUT WHY THEY HAVE LEFT AND EVERYONE IS AFRAID TO COME
FORWARD.
EVERYONE IS AFRAID TO TALK.
I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE ME PERSONALLY, IF I'VE
DONE SOMETHING WRONG OR SOMETHING IS WRONG IN THE CITY, I
WANT TO FIX IT.
IF YOU TELL ME DO SOMETHING WRONG, I HAVE TO THINK ABOUT
THAT AND CHANGE MYSELF.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE, OH, WE'RE NEVER WRONG.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T AS A CITY INTERNALIZE THINGS WE
MIGHT NOT DO RIGHT AND FIX IT.
TO ME, THAT'S WHY I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN AN INDEPENDENT
INVESTIGATION.
MR. SHELBY, IF YOU COULD REMIND US OF WHAT OUR ACTUAL POWER
IS THERE ACCORDING TO THE CHARTER, THAT WOULD BE LOVELY.
10:11:47AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I CAN TELL YOU WHAT THE CHARTER SAYS.
WHICH REALLY HASN'T BEEN INVOKED IN ANY FORM OR FASHION IN I
DON'T KNOW HOW LONG, IF EVER.
I CAN COME BACK AND TELL YOU THAT.
I DON'T WANT TO HOLD UP THE MEETING.

I'LL FIND IT IN JUST A MINUTE.
10:12:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
10:12:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:12:15AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT AN INVESTIGATION, HOW DO WE KNOW IT'S NOT
CRIMINAL?
NO ONE CAN ANSWER THAT.
WE'RE GOING TO HIRE A THIRD PARTY, PAY MONEY, SO THEY ARE
GOING TO SAY A THIRD PARTY -- WHOEVER WANTED, WANTED
WRITTEN, OH, WE PAID, THAT'S WHY WE GOT IT.
YOU'VE GOT TO BELIEVE IN SOMETHING.
THAT'S WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY NOW.
IT'S SO FAR APART, SO TORN ON THE EDGES THAT NOBODY KNOWS
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON, PERIOD AND THAT'S HOW THEY WANT
IT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE.
INVESTIGATION FROM THE TOP AT THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW
ENFORCEMENT, SEE IF THERE IS CRIMINAL FROM ALL OF US.
MENTIONED TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS, MENTIONED OTHERS.
I WANT A COMPLETE INVESTIGATION, INCLUDING ON ME.
TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
THIS GOVERNMENT CANNOT STAND EVERY WEEK THE SAME THING IN A
DIFFERENT FORM.
I WANT CLARITY.
THE PUBLIC DESERVES IT.
IF THE MEDIA IS NOT REPORTING IT, THAT'S NOT MY FAULT,

THAT'S THE MEDIA'S FAULT.
NOT OUR FAULT, I SHOULD SAY.
SO WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR?
PEOPLE THAT GOT TERMINATED.
I FEEL SORRY FOR THEM.
I DON'T KNOW WHY, I GOT WHAT THE TWO LADIES SAID AND I
UNDERSTAND THAT.
WHAT WAS THE PROCESS OF -- THEY HAD TO GO THROUGH SOME
PROCESS TO GET TO WHOEVER MADE THE DECISION AT THE END.
WAS THAT PROCESS FRAUD?
WAS IT LEGAL?
WAS IT WITH INTENT?
WAS IT RETALIATION?
WAS IT DISCRIMINATION?
I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE KNOWS HERE.
LET'S START WITH THAT.
INVESTIGATE EVERYBODY.
I MEAN, YOU THINK I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT FORMER COUNCIL
MEMBERS THAT I RAN FOR, AGAINST, WHATEVER, THAT I'LL RUN
WITH OR AGAINST, NO.
IT'S A PROCESS THAT IS DO BY CLARITY.
THOSE COMPUTERS AND INVESTIGATION DO NOT MAKE MISTAKE.
HAND COUNTED AND VERIFIED DIFFERENT WAYS.
LET'S CLEAR THAT OUT.

NOW YOU ARE LEFT WITH INDIVIDUALS THAT LEFT THE OFFICE.
THE YELLOW PIECE OF PAPER I SAW, ALL CONTACTED BY WHOEVER
DOING AN INVESTIGATION AND FIND OUT WHY THEY LEFT.
I GUARANTEE YOU WE TAKE PART OF THAT RESPONSIBILITY, US, THE
SEVEN OF US.
I WANT CLARITY.
I WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON, NOT THIS OR THAT.
I WANT THE WHOLE THING LOOKED AT.
THE WHOLE GOVERNMENT, THAT THE PUBLIC IS AT EASE OR VERY
DISAPPOINTED, WHAT HAPPENED IN THE LAST, I DON'T KNOW, SIX,
SEVEN YEARS.
YOU CAN GO TO THE PRIOR ADMINISTRATION IF YOU WANT BUT I'M
NOT GOING TO PAY A THIRD PARTY TO TELL ME THAT I'M PAYING,
WHICH WAY THEY WANT TO GO.
NOT THAT IT HAPPENS THAT WAY, UP HERE, SOMEBODY, OH, YOU
PAID THEM, YOU WANT THE RESULT YOU GOT.
I DON'T PAY THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.
THAT'S PAID BY TAXPAYERS AND ALL OF US.
I JUST WANT CLARITY.
I WANT THIS BEHIND AND LET'S MARCH FORWARD.
10:15:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. SHELBY, YOU HAVE AN ANSWER TO THE
QUESTION?
10:15:59AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, I DO.
SECTION 2.14 INVESTIGATIONS.
PLEASE NOTE THE LANGUAGE.

IN THE EXERCISE OF ITS LEGISLATIVE POWERS, THE CITY COUNCIL
OR ANY SPECIAL COMMITTEE THEREOF SHALL HAVE THE POWER TO
CONDUCT SUCH INVESTIGATIONS AND HOLD SUCH HEARINGS AS THE
COUNCIL SHALL DEEM NECESSARY, EXPEDIENT AND PROPER AND SHALL
HAVE THE POWER TO COMPEL THE ATTENDANCE OF WITNESSES AND THE
PRODUCTION OF EVIDENCE BY ISSUANCE OF ALL FORMS OF SUBPOENA
AND SHALL HAVE THE POWER TO PUNISH FOR CONTEMPT BY FINE NOT
EXCEEDING $100 AND EACH DAY CONTINUE SHALL BE DEEMED A
SEPARATE OFFENSE.
I ALSO WANT TO BRING TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION SECTION 4.01,
THE MAYOR.
IT SAYS SHALL BE A MAYOR IN WHOM ALL EXECUTIVE POWER OF THE
CITY SHALL BE VESTED AND WHO SHALL BE THE ADMINISTRATIVE
HEAD OF MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT.
MOVING ON IT, IT SAYS THE MAYOR SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE TO THE
PEOPLE OF THE CITY FOR THE PROPER ADMINISTRATION OF THE
AFFAIRS OF THE CITY AND TO THAT, THE MAYOR'S POWERS AND
DUTIES SHALL INCLUDE AND NUMBER THREE STATES, THE EXERCISE
OF DIRECT CONTROL AND SUPERVISION OVER ALL DEPARTMENTS AND
DIVISIONS OF MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT.
AND NUMBER FOUR, EXCEPT AS HEREIN OTHERWISE EXPRESSED
APPOINTMENT AND REMOVAL OF COMPENSATION OF ALL OFFICERS AND
EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY THE EMPLOYMENT -- GOES ON FROM THERE.
ANOTHER LINE THAT I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF I HAD.
NUMBER ONE, THE ADMINISTRATION AND ENFORCEMENT OF ALL LAWS,

ORDINANCES, CONTRACTS, AND FRANCHISES.
SO WITH REGARD TO INVESTIGATIONS, THERE IS -- IN THE OPENING
SENTENCE, IT SAYS IN THE EXERCISE OF ITS LEGISLATIVE POWERS.
JUST A REMINDER, COUNCIL, A LOT OF WHAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED
TODAY, THERE ARE STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS AS WELL.
I'M CERTAINLY NOT AN EMPLOYMENT LAWYER, BUT IF IT'S AN
EMPLOYMENT ISSUE, IT IS VERY -- THERE ARE LAWYERS WHO
SPECIALIZE IN THAT, OBVIOUSLY.
AND, THEREFORE, I JUST WANTED COUNCIL TO REMAIN MINDFUL OF
ITS ABILITY TO HOLD THESE SUCH INVESTIGATIONS WHICH, BY THE
WAY, I JUST WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL, COME UP BEFORE, THE
ISSUE OF INVESTIGATIONS HAS COME UP, THOUGH THE CHARTER DOES
PROVIDE FOR SUBPOENA POWER, YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE THE
ABILITY TO ISSUE SUBPOENAS AND THAT BROUGHT IN THE SUBJECT
WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY OF HOW SUCH A PROCESS COULD EVEN TAKE
PLACE, EVEN THOUGH THE CHARTER EXPRESSLY SAYS IT, THE
LOGISTICS OF IT AND THE MECHANISMS OF IT WOULD RAISE ISSUES
THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED.
BY THE WAY, ONE OTHER LAST THING TO REMIND YOU, COUNCIL,
ANYTHING THAT COUNCIL DOES IS NOT ONLY SUBJECT TO THE PUBLIC
MEETINGS LAW, IT'S ALSO SUBJECT TO THE PUBLIC RECORDS LAW
AND THOSE ARE THINGS WHICH WE HAVE TO COMPLY.
10:19:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA AND COUNCIL MEMBER
-- YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, ME AND HURTAK.
10:19:21AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MR. SHELBY I THINK MADE REFERENCE TO THIS.

THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE COULD GO WITH
THIS, IF ANYWHERE.
THE QUESTION ON WHY SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE LEFT THE MOBILITY
DEPARTMENT IS A REASONABLE, VERY REASONABLE QUESTION TO ASK,
OF COURSE.
I WORRY THAT IF THERE IS -- AND I'M UNSURE IF THERE IS,
ONGOING CLAIMS, REPRESENTATION BY COUNCIL THAT ARE LITIGATED
IN COURT RIGHT NOW, IF WE WOULD BE HAVING CONCURRENT
INQUIRIES ON THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT AS A LAWYER I
THINK WE OUGHT TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
BUT THE IDEA OF WHY SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE LEFT MOBILITY, THAT
IS OBVIOUSLY A REAL QUESTION.
THAT IS A REAL ISSUE OF CONCERN AND ONE THAT WE COULD LOOK
AT.
I WOULD CERTAINLY BE WILLING TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
I THINK THAT'S TOTALLY FINE.
WE HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY TREAD VERY CAREFULLY.
FRANKLY, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, IF THESE TWO WOMEN AREN'T
REPRESENTED, I'D LIKE TO TALK TO THEM PERSONALLY ON CERTAIN
THINGS IN TERMS OF HOW THEY FEEL, THEIR OPINION OR EFFECT ON
THIS PROCESS.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
I'VE HAD TALKS WITH PEOPLE WHO LEFT THIS CITY, INCLUDING
DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, ET CETERA, PRIVATE TALKS AND PEOPLE
LEAVE FOR MANY, MANY, MANY REASONS.

REASONS TO DO WITH PEOPLE IN THE ADMINISTRATION.
REASONS TO DO WITH PEOPLE IN CITY COUNCIL.
REASONS TO DO WITH FAMILY.
REASONS TO DO WITH MANY, MANY DIFFERENT THINGS.
A WHOLE LOT OF REASONS.
THE REASON WHY I'M DEFERENTIAL TO THESE TWO WOMEN WHO CAME
HERE AND SPOKE IS BECAUSE IT TAKES A LOT OF COURAGE TO STAND
UP AND SPEAK IN A PUBLIC FORUM.
I RESPECT THAT.
I DO.
I RESPECT THAT NO MATTER WHO IT IS.
BECAUSE I REMEMBER THAT NOT LONG AGO SOMEBODY ELSE STOOD UP
AND SHE WAS ATTACKED.
AND SHE WAS MOCKED.
SHE WAS ATTACKED LIKE HELL, POLITICALLY BY PEOPLE FOR
STANDING UP.
AND I GAVE HER RESPECT.
AND I'M GOING TO GIVE THESE TWO WOMEN IN HERE RESPECT AS
WELL.
THAT'S WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT.
AGAIN, I'M GLAD TO TAKE ON SOME CERTAIN CONVERSATIONS ON
THIS.
THE FACT THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS LOST SO MANY PEOPLE, THAT'S
SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT.
IF THERE IS ADDITIONAL -- ARE ADDITIONAL PROTECTIONS THAT

EMPLOYEES NEED WHO HAVE CONCERNS, I'M GLAD TO TALK ABOUT
THAT.
I AM.
I'M GLAD, BY THE WAY, THAT SOMEBODY MENTIONED, BECAUSE IT
SLIPPED MY MIND, THAT THESE FOLKS AREN'T IN THE UNION.
SO THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING, ANOTHER LAYER OF PROTECTION
COULD BE.
I'M GLAD TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.
I AM.
BUT, AGAIN, THE LEVEL OF RESPECT THAT I GIVE THESE WOMEN IS
A LEVEL OF RESPECT I WISH THIS OTHER WOMAN WOULD HAVE HAD BY
EVERYBODY -- EVERYBODY.
THANK YOU.
10:22:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WISH WE HAD A HAPPY WORK ENVIRONMENT BECAUSE WHEN I WAKE
UP IN THE MORNING I LOVE TAMPA, I LOVE MY JOB AND I LOVE
CITY GOVERNMENT.
I LOVE COMING HERE, ALTHOUGH SOME DAYS ARE HARD.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE LIST OF INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE LEFT, I
HAVE NOTHING BUT RESPECT FOR THEM AND TWO OF THEM ARE HERE.
I CAN ONLY HOPE TO BE LIKE THEM BECAUSE I ADMIRE THESE
PEOPLE.
YOU MENTIONED MOODY.
YOU MENTIONED NICOLE TRAVIS, ALL THESE PEOPLE ON THE LIST,
THEY ARE SUPERSTARS.

I'M JUST A CITY COUNCIL PERSON.
I LOOK UP TO THESE INDIVIDUALS BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL
BRILLIANT.
I SEE HOW THEY WORK.
I SEE WHAT THEY DO.
SEE WHAT THEY HAVE DONE AND CITY OF TAMPA WAS, IS, VERY
LUCKY TO HAVE HAD PEOPLE.
YOU DON'T FIND PEOPLE LIKE THIS.
VERY HARD TO FIND PEOPLE OF THIS CALIBER.
IT'S A SHAME THAT THIS IS HAPPENING.
PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE HAPPY IN THEIR WORK ENVIRONMENT
BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY ARE GIVING THEIR ALL.
THEY ARE WORKING HARD FOR THE PAYCHECK, FOR THE FAMILY, FOR
THEIR LIVELIHOOD.
THEY SHOULD BE TREATED WITH RESPECT.
IF THERE ARE ISSUES AS COUNCILMAN VIERA MENTIONED, IF ONE
DEPARTMENT IS SEEING A MASS EXODUS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT
NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.
IT'S UNHEALTHY.
I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD TOXICS.
I GUESS YOU COULD.
THAT'S MORE OF A MODERN TERM USED IN WORK ENVIRONMENTS.
I THINK THERE'S MORE THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.
I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT A THIRD PARTY LOOKING INTO THESE THINGS
AND JUST PUT IT OUT THERE.

AGAIN, WE'VE LOST A LOT OF VERY, VERY GOOD PEOPLE.
IF I WERE THE BOSS, THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT I'D HIRE, IN A
CORPORATION, IN PUBLIC, THEY ARE THE BEST.
LOOK AT THEIR RESUM S.
IT'S A SHAME IT'S GOTTEN TO THIS.
I'M GLAD AND RESPECT THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME HERE AND
SPOKEN UP, BUT IF IT'S ONE OR TWO PEOPLE, IT'S BAD ENOUGH.
WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE AND YOU HAVE A LIST LIKE THAT
AND SOME REPORTED TO THE CRA.
SOME REPORTED TO THE MAYOR.
IT'S A MIXED BAG, BUT ALL THOSE PEOPLE ARE WONDERFUL PEOPLE
THAT IT'S A HUGE LOSS TO THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT THEY ARE NOT
HERE.
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
10:24:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CHIEF BENNETT.
10:24:25AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
GOOD MORNING AGAIN.
10:24:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
WERE ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE ON THAT LIST, DID YOU DO EXIT
INTERVIEWS?
DID THE CITY OF TAMPA DO EXIT INTERVIEWS WITH ANY OF THOSE
FOLKS ON THE LIST?
10:24:38AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
SO, NOBODY CAME THROUGH MY DOOR EITHER
PRE-LEAVING OR AFTER LEAVING FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY.
I DID ASK HR ABOUT DOING EXIT INTERVIEWS ON A REGULAR BASIS.

ALSO, OF COURSE, SOME OF THE POSITIONS WORKED THROUGH THAT
PORTFOLIO WHO ALSO DO EXIT INTERVIEWS WITH THE MAYOR.
SO I CAN'T ANSWER COMPLETELY WHO HAD ONE AND WHO DID NOT
HAVE ONE.
I KNOW SOME WERE DONE, BUT I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING COMPLETELY
OF HOW MANY WOULD OR WOULDN'T HAVE HAD THEM.
10:25:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND IN AN EXIT INTERVIEW, WHAT WOULD BE DONE
WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE LEARNED?
10:25:17AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
OBVIOUSLY DEPENDS ON WHAT THE CONTENT IS.
BUT FOR THE MOST PART, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR CONTINUOUS
IMPROVEMENT, WHETHER IT'S INDIVIDUAL BASIS OR SYSTEMIC
BASIS.
10:25:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND WOULD ANSWERS IN AN EXIT INTERVIEW BE
MADE AVAILABLE, NOT SPECIFIC TO A PERSON BUT MAYBE A REPORT
SAYING, YOU KNOW, TEN PEOPLE LEFT IN THIS QUARTER AND THESE
WERE THE ISSUES THEY MENTIONED IN LEAVING?
10:25:45AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
IT'S POSSIBLE, DEPENDING ON THE PORTFOLIO.
I MEAN, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT AND PUBLIC
SAFETY, UNIQUE BRANCHES, GENERAL EMPLOYEE DEPARTMENTS, ALL
THAT IS COALESCED TYPICALLY AT THE SENIOR STAFF MEETINGS.
THINGS THAT ARE ROUTINE, REPEATABLE ARE DISCUSSED FOR,
AGAIN, CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT.
SO THOSE THINGS DO WORK UP AND DOWN THE ORGANIZATION.
10:26:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER
DOING EXIT INTERVIEWS, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE

SOMETHING THAT THE ADMINISTRATION SHOULD PUT FORWARD GOING
FORWARD, REQUIRING EXIT INTERVIEWS, AND THEN SOMEHOW
COALESCING THAT DATA SO THAT ALL OF US CAN SEE IT, INCLUDING
EMPLOYEES WHO ARE STILL HERE.
BASICALLY WHAT I HEARD TODAY IS THAT -- AND IT'S
DISAPPOINTING THAT THE ADMINISTRATION -- AND THE SAME AS
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
I HEARD FROM QUITE A FEW PEOPLE.
I KNOW WHY A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THE LIST LEFT AND IT WAS THE
ADMINISTRATION.
SO WE HAVE GOT TO DO BETTER.
WHAT CONCERNS ME IS THAT WE AREN'T LOOKING TO DO BETTER.
IT'S SORT OF LIKE, WELL, IF FOLKS DON'T WANT TO FALL IN LINE
WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING, NNH, WE DON'T WANT TO KEEP THEM.
IT'S JUST DISAPPOINTING THAT WE HAVE MANAGERS AND OTHERS WHO
AREN'T GIVEN ANY REASON OTHER THAN "YOU ARE AN AT-WILL
EMPLOYEE."
I THINK THAT'S WRONG.
I THINK PEOPLE DESERVE TO KNOW WHY THEY WERE TRANSMITTED
OTHER THAN YOU ARE AT WILL.
THAT'S DISAPPOINTING.
IT ALSO ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO NOT APPLY TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
IF WE WANT TO BE A BETTER CITY, WE NEED TO ENCOURAGE
DIVERSITY OF OPINION OF PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE.
10:27:38AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I AGREE.

I THINK ALL OF WHAT YOU SAID IS VERY WELCOME IN THE
ORGANIZATION.
I KNOW THAT OUR RECRUITING AND SELECTION PROCESS IS PRETTY
FULL ON A REGULAR BASIS.
I WELCOME EVERY SINGLE EMPLOYEE EVERY OTHER MONDAY
PERSONALLY.
I GO OUT TO THEIR ORIENTATION AND I TELL THEM IF YOU ARE
AGGRIEVED ANYTIME IN YOUR CAREER, MY DOOR AND MY
ACCESSIBILITY IS ALWAYS THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU COULD
GET TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF THE ORGANIZATION, WHETHER YOU
ARE IN THE UNION OR NOT, YOU ARE WELCOME THROUGH MY DOOR TO
TELL ME WHAT'S GOING ON SO I CAN REVERSE, UNDERSTAND WHAT IS
NEEDED OR NECESSARY.
AGAIN, FROM AN ORGANIZATIONAL OR AN INDIVIDUAL POINT OF
VIEW.
I DO THAT.
I'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR YEARS TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR
EMPLOYEES FEEL WELCOME AND SAFE THROUGHOUT THEIR JOURNEY AND
OPPORTUNISTIC AS WELL.
SOME PEOPLE ARE OFFERED THESE INTERVIEWS AND THEY OPT OUT
FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY MIGHT HAVE.
HR HAS TO WORK INSIDE THREE PARAMETERS.
CIVIL SERVICE RULES, CITY POLICY, AND, OF COURSE, THE
COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS NEGOTIATED AND PROMULGATED
THROUGH, OF COURSE, CITY COUNCIL.

SO THEY WORK WITHIN THOSE PARAMETERS.
ANYTHING OUTSIDE THAT FALLS INTO DUE PROCESS.
THERE IS AN EXTENSIVE GRIEVANCE PROCESS EVEN FOR
NON-BARGAINING EMPLOYEES.
AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE IS A CIVIL SERVICE BOARD
THAT'S PUT TOGETHER OF FOLKS THAT ARE FROM THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S AN EXISTENTIAL KIND OF SYSTEM AND THEN WE HAVE
ARBITRATORS.
THE ARBITRATORS ARE SELECTED BY A MUTUAL PROCESS AS WELL,
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT REACH THOSE LEVELS, THEN
THE EMPLOYEE IS RETURNED AND THE CITY ADAPTS TO WHATEVER
THEY MAY HAVE LEARNED THROUGH THAT PROCESS IF SOMETHING CAN
BE DONE BETTER.
AGAIN, BETWEEN THE INVESTIGATIONS, THE DUE PROCESS AND
EVERYTHING ELSE WITH 5,000 EMPLOYEES, I GENERALLY HAVE VERY
FEW THINGS THAT MAKE IT THROUGH MY OFFICE, BUT I'M ALWAYS
WELCOME TO LISTEN TO MAKE THINGS BETTER.
10:29:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I JUST ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT I THINK IT SPEAKS VOLUMES THAT
NO ONE FROM HR WAS HERE TODAY.
10:29:43AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
CAN I ADDRESS THAT?
WE TALK ABOUT THE MOTIONS.
WHEN IT SAYS "COUNCIL DISCUSSION," WE TRY AND BE RESPECTFUL
OF COUNCIL DISCUSSION.
I HAPPENED TO BE HERE TO LISTEN TO ALL OF THE ENERGY TO SEE

WHAT WE CAN DO BETTER.
BUT IT DIDN'T ASK FOR STAFF TO BE HERE SPECIFICALLY.
I CAME JUST TO MAKE SURE I COULD HEAR, LISTEN, AND RESPOND
AS NECESSARY.
BUT WE TRY TO RESPECT WHEN IT SAYS "COUNCIL DISCUSSION."
10:30:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT THAT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THE NEXT ITEM
ON THIS IS COUNCIL TO DISCUSS AND DETERMINE THE PARAMETERS
OF THE SOCIAL ACTION AND ARTS FUNDING MOVING FORWARD AND WE
HAVE CFO HERE FOR THAT.
10:30:18AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
WE MAKE OURSELVES AVAILABLE, BUT IT DIDN'T
ASK FOR STAFF.
10:30:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M JUST SAYING THAT, GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU
DO HAVE STAFF HERE FOR STUFF LIKE THAT.
I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT THEY WEREN'T.
BUT TO GO BACK TO THE ISSUE, WE NEED TO DO SOME TYPE OF -- I
WOULD WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT A THIRD PARTY TO AT LEAST
ACCEPT THE GRIEVANCE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR WE CAN GO WITH THAT.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO TALK TO OUR ATTORNEY
ABOUT GOING FORWARD.
IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION IS
SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO AT THIS POINT.
BUT I WANT TO KNOW HOW FAR WE CAN GO WITH WHAT OUR POWERS
ARE AS COUNCIL.
10:31:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. SHELBY AND MIRANDA.

10:31:02AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IN KEEPING WITH YOUR LEGISLATIVE
FUNCTION --
10:31:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'M SORRY.
HENDERSON.
10:31:07AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
KEEPING WITH YOUR LEGISLATIVE FUNCTION, LET ME BRING TO THIS
COUNCIL'S ATTENTION THAT IN OCTOBER OF 2016, PREVIOUS CITY
COUNCIL PASSED ORDINANCE 2016-155 WHICH CREATED
WHISTLE-BLOWER PROCEDURES.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER COUNCIL WISHES TO -- WHAT I'M GOING TO
DO IS MAKE COPIES AND DISTRIBUTE TO YOUR OFFICE, CITY
COUNCIL, SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT A PREVIOUS COUNCIL AND WHAT'S
IN YOUR CODE AND WHAT WAS ENACTED TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS
WHISTLE-BLOWERS AND PERHAPS BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE LEARNED OR
BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE EXPERIENCED, YOUR TIME ON CITY COUNCIL,
YOU MAY WANT TO REVISIT THAT TO SEE WHERE COUNCIL CAN GO
LEGISLATIVELY TO ADDRESS THIS.
I WILL DO THAT.
I WILL PASS OUT -- I WILL MAKE COPIES OF THE WHISTLE-BLOWER
PROCEDURES, WHICH IS CONTAINED WITHIN CHAPTER 2 IN THE
CITY'S ETHICS CODE.
10:32:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON AND MIRANDA.
10:32:07AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU, CHAIR.
GOOD MORNING.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR OUR CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY BEFORE I

EVEN GET STARTED WITH MY COMMENTS.
SECTION 2.4 ABOUT THE POWER OF CITY COUNCIL, CAN YOU RESTATE
THAT, PLEASE, JUST FOR CLARITY?
I BELIEVE IT WAS 2.4.
10:32:29AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE INVESTIGATIONS?
10:32:32AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YEAH.
10:32:34AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BACK TO THE CHARTER.
10:32:42AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WHILE HE IS LOOKING FOR THAT, I WANT TO,
YOU KNOW, THANK THOSE FOLKS WHO WERE FORMER EMPLOYEES OF THE
CITY OF TAMPA FOR COMING FORWARD AND SHARING THEIR COMMENTS.
I KNOW THAT WAS -- YOU KNOW, COULD BE VERY CHALLENGING FOR
YOU.
IT IS DIFFICULT, WHETHER YOU ARE STILL EMPLOYED WITH THE
CITY OR YOU HAVE LEFT THE CITY WHEN YOU HAVE STRONG
VIEWPOINTS THAT ARE REAL AND HOW THEY ARE ADDRESSED OR NOT
ADDRESSED.
SO I DO EMPATHIZE WITH THAT, PARTICULARLY WHEN PEOPLE DO
STAND UP FOR THEMSELVES.
I CAN SPEAK ON THAT PERSONALLY AS WELL AS PROFESSIONALLY
INSIDE THIS ENVIRONMENT AND WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY PUBLIC
SCHOOLS, IT CAN BE EXTREMELY CHALLENGING TO PUT YOURSELF OUT
THERE AND TELL THE TRUTH BECAUSE YOU CAN BE WEAPONIZED
EITHER WAY.
DID YOU FIND IT?
10:33:35AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SECTION 2.14, IN THE EXERCISE OF ITS

LEGISLATIVE POWERS, THE COUNCIL OR ANY SPECIAL COMMITTEE
THEREOF SHALL HAVE THE POWER TO CONDUCT SUCH INVESTIGATIONS
AND HOLD SUCH HEARINGS AS THE COUNCIL SHALL DEEM NECESSARY,
EXPEDIENT AND PROPER AND SHALL HAVE THE POWER TO COMPEL THE
ATTENDANCE OF WITNESSES IN THE PRODUCTION OF EVIDENCE BY THE
ISSUANCE OF ALL FORMS OF SUBPOENA AND SHALL HAVE THE POWER
TO PUNISH FOR CONTEMPT.
10:34:02AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
WHAT RESONATED WITH ME IS THAT IF SOMEONE COMES TO US, WE
ACTUALLY HAVE THE POWER TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES THAT HAS HAPPENED.
IN REGARD TO THE CITY OF TAMPA WHEN PEOPLE COME AND SHARE
THINGS WITH US, DO WE -- WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO INITIATE.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT HAS HAPPENED.
AT A HIGH LEVEL.
BUT WHAT ABOUT WHEN IT'S US?
BECAUSE AN EMPLOYEE HAS COME TO ME AND SAID THAT A COUNCIL
MEMBER HAS CREATED A HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT, WHAT DO I DO WITH
THE INFORMATION?
WHO HOLDS THAT PERSON ACCOUNTABLE?
HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT?
IT CAN BE CHALLENGING.
WHEN IT'S US AS A PUBLIC SPOKE TODAY ABOUT TWO PARTICULAR
COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, BEING INVESTIGATED, IF IT'S US,
WHO HAS TO INITIATE THAT?

MOST LIKELY THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS DONE.
CRITICISM FOR IT OR NOT, BUT SOMEONE HAD TO DO IT.
EITHER THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AS PEERS OR THE MAYOR.
CAN'T BE AN EMPLOYEE.
IT DOES HAVE A HIERARCHY THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO ADDRESS
THINGS.
THE MAYOR HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT, BUT IT ALSO AS READ
BY OUR CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO IT
AS WELL.
IN INSTANCES, EVEN WHETHER IT IS A HOSTILE WORK ENVIRONMENT,
SEXUAL HARASSMENT, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, THE END RESULT
OF GOING THROUGH A PROCESS THAT INVOLVES HR ALSO HAS LEVELS
OF CONFIDENTIALITY TO IT AS WELL.
SO SOME THINGS ARE EVENTUALLY MADE PUBLIC, ESPECIALLY IF THE
CHARGES ARE FILED OFFICIALLY, THEN THE PAPER IS GOING TO
WRITE ABOUT IT AND YOU GET TO READ ABOUT IT.
IN THE INSTANCE WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBER WHOSE SEAT THAT I
NOW SIT IN, YES, THERE WAS AN INVESTIGATION.
YES, IT DID COST A LOT OF MONEY.
BUT 18 OF THE 19 CHARGES WERE CREDIBLE AND THAT REQUIRED AN
INVESTIGATION FOR THAT TO BE TRUE.
BUT NO ONE COULD FIRE HIM BECAUSE HE WAS AN ELECTED
OFFICIAL.
SO SOMEONE HAD TO BEAT HIM AND THAT HAPPENED TO BE ME.
I WANT TO GO ON RECORD IN SAYING THAT PUBLICLY FOR THE VERY

FIRST TIME.
HE IS NO LONGER HERE BECAUSE HE CREATED A HOSTILE WORK
ENVIRONMENT FOR A WOMAN AND SHE JUST HAPPENED TO BE MY
SISTER.
THANK YOU, CHAIR.
10:36:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
10:36:41AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I CAN ONLY SAY THIS, AND THIS IS THE LAST
TIME I'M GOING TO BRING UP ANYTHING.
WHEN I SEE THE LIST THAT MS. POYNOR BROUGHT UP, THERE WAS A
LADY THAT WORKED WITH THE CRA.
THE PRIOR PERSON WHO NEVER GOT THE JOB, DID ALL THE
INTERVIEWS, DID EVERYTHING WE HAD TO DO, THREE OR FOUR
FINALISTS WENT THROUGH A FINAL PROCESS AND HE WAS THE ONE
WHO HIRED.
LIVE SOMEWHERE TO THE EAST, CLOSE TO ORLANDO OR IN ORLANDO.
HE WAS HIRED ONE MORNING AND THAT SAME MORNING HAD A NIGHT
MEETING, I MAY BE OFF A COUPLE OF HOURS, THAT GENTLEMAN
CALLED IN AND I DON'T KNOW HIS NAME.
I FORGOT, BUT HE IS THE SMARTEST PERSON I KNOW.
HE CALLED UP AND SAID HE DIDN'T WANT THE JOB BECAUSE HE
DIDN'T LIKE WHAT HE WAS SEEING ON TV AND THE WAY WE WERE
ACTING.
SOMETHING TO THAT FACT.
I WANT THAT INVESTIGATED.
WHY WOULD SOMEBODY WHO HAD A JOB, APPLY FOR A JOB, RECEIVE

THE JOB AND THAT EVENING CALL US AND SAY I DON'T WANT TO
COME -- I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN HIS MOUTH.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE SAID, BUT HE DIDN'T WANT TO COME
BECAUSE OF US.
THE WAY WE WERE ACTING THAT NIGHT.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS -- SO I WANT THAT INVESTIGATED.
HOW CAN WE HIRE SOMEBODY AND THEY SEE US ON TV AND JUST BY
LOOKING AT US, THE WAY WE HANDLED OUR BUSINESS, HE SAID,
WHOA, I BETTER STAY WHERE I'M AT.
I'M HAPPY HERE.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DISCUSSED WITH
ALL OF US.
I'M THE FIRST TO SAY COME SEE ME IF YOU WANT TO INVESTIGATE
ME.
I HAVEN'T HEARD NO FOLLOWERS.
10:38:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:38:22AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WANT TO SAY, WHICH IS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO
SOMETHING TODAY THAT WE CAN DO TO RESPOND TO.
AGAIN, WE HAD TWO WOMEN WHO CAME UP HERE WHO SPOKE PUBLICLY.
I RESPECT THAT.
I KNOW COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TALKED ABOUT COMING FORTH WITH
SOME SORT OF AN INQUIRY I GUESS IF YOU WILL.
SHOULDN'T SAY INQUIRY, A LINE, WHATEVER IT IS WE WANT TO
CALL IT WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO INDEPENDENTLY OUTSIDE TO TALK

ABOUT CHALLENGES THEY HAVE.
LET'S MOVE FORWARD ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT TODAY.
AGAIN, WHEN PEOPLE STAND UP IN DIFFICULT SITUATIONS.
OBVIOUSLY, MR. SHELBY NO COMMENTARY ON ANY CURRENT CASES OR
POTENTIAL CASES, RIGHT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE RESPECT
THE COURAGE AND THE CHUTZPAH THAT IT TAKES TO DO THAT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THAT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T GET IN THE WEEDS ON
CERTAIN THINGS HERE.
MY OPINION.
BUT LET'S PASS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PASS TODAY TO IMPROVE A
PROCESS, IF WE CAN DO THAT.
10:39:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
10:39:34AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, I WANT TO MAKE A PROPOSAL, BUT TO THE
POINT ABOUT NO CONSULTANTS HERE TODAY -- OR NO STAFF HERE
TODAY, THAT'S MY FAULT BECAUSE I WANTED IT TO BE A COUNCIL
DISCUSSION.
I DIDN'T WANT STAFF TO PUSH IT ON US.
I WANTED IT TO BE OUR DISCUSSION.
PLEASE DON'T BLAME THE CHIEF OF STAFF OR STAFF ON THAT.
I THANK THEM FOR RESPECTING THAT REQUEST.
NONE OF US ARE EXPERTS ON WHAT TO DO SO WE CAN THROW
SOMETHING OUT.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA KEEPS MENTIONING THE GUY THAT WE
INTERVIEWED FOR THE CRA.

I CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT SITUATION.
IN ORLANDO, HE REPORTED DIRECTLY TO THE MAYOR.
AND THE JOB THAT HE WAS -- AND IT WAS VERY EASY FOR HIM
BECAUSE HE HAD A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE MAYOR IN
ORLANDO.
WHEN HE MET WITH US, HE KNEW THAT HE HAD TO -- THAT HE WAS
REPORTING TO THE CRA BOARD.
THAT MEANS REPORTING TO SEVEN DIFFERENT PEOPLE SEVEN
DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES.
AT THE TIME, ALTHOUGH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE HERE TECHNICALLY IS
NOT INVOLVED WITH THE CRA, THEY HAD CERTAIN OPINIONS THAT
THEY WERE PUSHING FORWARD AND CERTAIN IDEAS THAT THEY WERE
PUSHING FORWARD.
ANY ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD WITH CRA HAVE BEEN WHERE THE
MAYOR'S OFFICE BEHIND THE SCENES HAS BEEN PUSHING THEIR
INTEREST AND THEIR DESIRES.
AN EXAMPLE WHICH WE RECENTLY RESOLVED WAS THE ISSUE OF WHERE
SOME OF THE STAFF SHOULD RESIDE.
LEGALLY, TECHNICALLY, CRA PAID STAFF CAN ONLY WORK ON CRA
ISSUES.
BUT PROPOSED BY THE ADMINISTRATION TO HAVE THEM COWORK IN
OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
THOSE KINDS OF THINGS CREATE CONFLICT.
IF YOU HAVE A GREAT POSITION, WORKING DIRECTLY WITH THE
MAYOR OR YOU CAN WORK WITH SEVEN PEOPLE WHO ALL HAVE

DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES AND THEN HAVE AN ADMINISTRATION
THAT'S TRYING TO INFLUENCE FROM THE OUTSIDE, YOU PROBABLY
WOULDN'T WANT TO STEP INTO THAT POLITICAL SITUATION.
IT'S NOT TO BLAME ANYBODY.
THIS ADMINISTRATION, WHEN I STARTED FIVE YEARS AGO, EVEN
THOUGH THEY WERE NEVER SUPPOSED TO BE INVOLVED IN THE CRA,
THEY DOCUMENTED IN THE NEW AGREEMENT THAT THEY WOULDN'T
INTERVENE WITH THE CRA AND THEY BARELY INTERVENED WITH THE
CRA.
WHEREAS THE LAST ADMINISTRATION YOU ALL KNOW WAS VERY
INVOLVED WITH THE CRA.
I THINK THAT IS A COMPLIMENT TO THEM.
JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW, FROM MY EXPERIENCE WORKING ON THE
OTHER SIDE OF THESE ISSUES, LISTENING TO WHAT THE LADY SAID
HERE, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT ANYBODY IS GOING TO SAY.
I ALWAYS HAVE A WITNESS IN MY MEETINGS.
EVERY PHONE CALL, EVERY MEETING, I ALWAYS HAVE A WITNESS.
AND THE REASON IS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THINGS ARE
DOCUMENTED CORRECTLY.
IF WE DO EXIT INTERVIEWS, WHAT I WOULD DEMAND IS THAT HR
HAVE THE PERSON SIGN OFF ON THE NOTES BECAUSE AS THE LADY
SPOKE HERE, THERE ARE DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS BY DIFFERENT
PEOPLE OF WHAT HAPPENED IN SITUATIONS AND WE NEED TO MAKE
SURE IT'S ACCURATELY PUT FORWARD.
ANOTHER THING THAT HAPPENED IN THE CITY IS THAT WE'RE NOT

ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT CLAIMANTS' NAMES OR SITUATIONS.
IN FACT, MISDEMEANOR TO MENTION THE NAME OF A CLAIMANT.
THERE WAS A SITUATION, THOUGH, WHERE THE MAYOR HAD A PRESS
CONFERENCE WITH A CLAIMANT WHO MANY OF US KNEW AND LOVED AND
IN THE PRESS CONFERENCE THE MAYOR MENTIONED IDENTIFYING
INFORMATION, NOT THE NAME, BUT IDENTIFYING INFORMATION.
THOSE OF US WHO KNEW THAT PERSON FELT VERY BETRAYED BY THAT,
THAT A PERSON'S IDENTITY SHOULD NOT BE PUT FORWARD.
WHAT THAT DID, IT HAD A CHILLING EFFECT ON PEOPLE INSIDE THE
ORGANIZATION.
MANY OF THE WOMEN WHO HAVE COME ON OTHER ISSUES AND OTHER
AREAS HAVE SAID I DON'T WANT TO COME FORWARD BECAUSE WHAT
HAPPENS IF SOMEBODY MENTIONS ME IN A PRESS CONFERENCE, MUCH
LESS HOW IT WILL BE SEEN.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT KIND OF THING DOESN'T HAPPEN IN
THE FUTURE.
MAYBE WE SHOULD PASS AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS NOT ONLY SHOULD
YOU NOT MENTION THE NAME OF SOMEBODY, YOU SHOULD NOT MENTION
IDENTIFYING INFORMATION.
IF THOSE PEOPLE AGREE TO IT, FINE, IF THEY WANT TO STAND UP
IN A PRESS CONFERENCE.
ARBITRARILY MENTIONING INFORMATION, IDENTIFYING SOMEBODY I
THINK IS A BETRAYAL OF TRUST AND COULD POTENTIALLY HURT THAT
PERSON'S REPUTATION.
PEOPLE WITH LEGITIMATE GRIEVANCES SHOULD NOT BECOME

POLITICAL --
10:43:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PAWNS.
10:43:54AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T WANT TO MENTION.
ANYWAY I THINK WE NEED TO RESPECT ALL THE INDIVIDUALS THAT
COME FORWARD AND LOOK AT THAT.
MY PROPOSAL, AND AGAIN, I DIDN'T INVITE IN THE MOTION STAFF
TO COME HERE.
BUT MY PROPOSAL AND REQUEST TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF IS THAT WE
WORK SOMEHOW COLLABORATIVELY AND I'LL THROW OUT A MOTION.
WHATEVER MOTION WE MAKE, THERE'S GOING TO BE ARGUMENTS ABOUT
CHARTER AND EVERYTHING.
THAT'S WHY I WISH IT COULD BE COLLABORATIVE AND I WISH
IDEALLY IT WOULD NOT JUST BE THE ADMINISTRATION BUT THE
CHIEF OF STAFF WOULD PARTNER.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND
CITY COUNCIL PARTNER TO HIRE AN EMPLOYMENT ATTORNEY TO LOOK
AT THE SITUATION OF THESE PEOPLE LEAVING AND RECOMMEND A
PROCESS GOING FORWARD TO PROTECT WHISTLE-BLOWERS.
10:44:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA
FROM THE BEGINNING.
DO YOU WANT ME TO TAKE THAT MOTION UP FIRST OR GO TO YOUR
MOTION?
WAS THERE A SECOND TO THE MOTION --
10:44:53AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I DIDN'T HEAR NO SECOND.
IF I MAY, LOOKED AT ME WHEN TALKING ABOUT MAYORS AND

CONTRIBUTION BETWEEN THE CRA AND THE CONVERSATION AND
ADMINISTRATION.
NO ADMINISTRATION EVER TOLD ME WHAT THE HELL TO DO ON CRA.
NONE.
NOT BUCKHORN, NOT IORIO, NOT CASTOR, NOT GRECO, AND NOT BILL
POE.
AND BILL POE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN'T TESTIFY TO THAT.
NONE OF THEM EVER TRIED TO WIGGLE MY TAIL TO TELL ME WHICH
WAY TO GO NOT ONLY ON THAT ISSUE, ANY ISSUE.
NO ONE TOLD ME, I WANT YOU TO VOTE THIS WAY.
NEVER.
I'M NOT SAYING WE NEED TO DISCUSS THE ISSUE, BUT THERE WAS
NEVER A WAY OF SAYING, DO THIS, DO THAT.
THEN YOU BETTER, I GUESS.
SO I WANT THAT INVESTIGATED.
STILL HERE, GO ASK THEM.
CHIEF OF STAFFS STILL HERE, GO ASK THEM.
I WANT THIS OVER BUT I WANT IT DONE QUICKLY.
NO GOVERNMENT CAN STAND THIS EVERY SINGLE WEEK.
THE GENTLEMAN IN ORLANDO, IF HE DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS WORKING
FOR THE CRA, MAYBE HE QUIT ON HIS OWN.
I WANT THAT INVESTIGATED AS TO WHY HE LEFT.
THERE WAS A PHONE CALL TO CITY HALL, I DON'T KNOW WHO TOOK
IT, BUT HE IS THE ONE WHO QUIT WHILE HE WAS TECHNICALLY
HIRED, HE JUST DIDN'T FILL OUT THE PAPER WORK THE SAME DAY,

I GUESS.
WE HIRED HIM.
HE SAW US ON TV AND THAT'S WHERE HE FOUND OUT HE WAS NOT
WORKING FOR THE MAYOR.
I WANT THAT INVESTIGATED.
I WANT THINGS DONE, I WANT THIS CITY TO GO THROUGH THE
PROCESS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
NO GOVERNMENT.
WE HAD ENOUGH STORMS HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA TO LAST US A
HUNDRED YEARS.
THIS STORM I DON'T WANT TO LAST A HUNDRED YEARS.
THIS IS ABOUT YOUR GOVERNMENT AND WHAT YOU SEE DONE RIGHT OR
WRONG.
IT'S GOT TO BE FIXED QUICKLY.
IF NOT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME THING YOU HAVE IN
WASHINGTON, D.C.
ONE TO THE LEFT AND ONE TO THE RIGHT, THE MOST IN THE MIDDLE
FORGOT ABOUT.
10:47:20AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR, POINT OF ORDER.
I MADE A MOTION, IF THERE'S NO SECOND --
10:47:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
10:47:25AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'M HAPPY TO SECOND MR. MIRANDA'S MOTION
AFTER MINE IS VOTED ON.
10:47:29AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MY MOTION IS TO HAVE A COMPLETE
INVESTIGATION OF THE GOVERNMENT, INCLUDING THE CITY COUNCIL.

10:47:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BY WHO?
10:47:35AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHOEVER THEY WANT.
THE THIRD PARTY.
I'M WILLING TO SPEND THE MONEY.
IT'S WORTH IT.
10:47:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IS THERE A SECOND?
IS THERE A SECOND --
10:47:46AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HE MADE A PREVIOUS MOTION --
10:47:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IS THERE A SECOND --
10:47:52AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS IS A NEW MOTION.
10:47:56AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MOTION WAS MADE.
IS THERE A SECOND?
THE ANSWER IS EITHER YES OR NO.
[OVERLAPPING TALK]
10:48:10AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
HIS MOTION WAS NOT SECONDED.
IT WAS?
10:48:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HE MADE A MOTION AT THE BEGINNING.
I WANT TO GIVE HIM THE PRIORITY.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WITH A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR?
10:48:25AM >>LUIS VIERA:
BY THE WAY, I'M UNDER THE RIGHT CONTEXT, GLAD
TO VOTE FOR BOTH MOTIONS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY
CONTRADICT IN ANY WAY.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, IF I MAY INQUIRE, YOUR MOTION IS FOR --
JUST TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.

10:48:43AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I GUESS THEY ARE GOING TO REVIEW
EVERYTHING WE VOTED ON AND ALL -- WHATEVER.
10:48:49AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHAT PERIOD?
10:48:52AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MAY I SUGGEST SOMETHING, IF I MAY?
I THINK COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S MOTION SUPPOSES AND ASSUMES
THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S MOTION IS GOING TO PASS.
MAYBE PERHAPS WE VOTE ON COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S MOTION AND
THEN MIRANDA.
10:49:08AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT'S FINE.
IT WILL PASS OR FAIL WHETHER FIRST OR SECOND.
MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO ME.
10:49:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL PUT THAT MOTION ASIDE AND GO TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
THIS IS WHY WE GET CREATIVE LOAFING BEST LATE NIGHT
WATCHING.
10:49:27AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
[INAUDIBLE]
10:49:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH.
WE ALREADY HAVE THIS MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
HERE IS THE THING.
I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR IT BECAUSE IT IS SUPER VAGUE.
IF YOU CAN COME BACK WITH TIMELINES AND FDLE WILL ONLY LOOK
AT STUFF THAT IS CRIMINAL.
IF YOU HAVE VERY SPECIFIC THINGS OTHER THAN JUST SAYING
"INVESTIGATE ALL OF US," WHICH SURE, WHATEVER.

PLEASE BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC.
IF YOU JUST SAY -- I MEAN, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE ISSUE IS
HERE.
THE ISSUE HERE IS THE ENTIRE SUBJECT OF TODAY IS
WHISTLE-BLOWERS FOR CITY STAFF, NOT US, CITY STAFF.
I'M HAPPY TO HAVE US INVESTIGATED TOO BUT YOU'VE GOT TO GIVE
A REASON.
10:50:06AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE OTHER THING, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
CRIMINAL.
I'M TALKING ABOUT EMPLOYMENT ISSUES.
THE SUBJECT TODAY, WHISTLE-BLOWERS, COULD COVER EITHER ONE.
BUT IN TERMS OF INVESTIGATING FOR CRIMINALS, MY
RECOMMENDATION IS TO GO TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL DOES -- THEY ONLY TAKE REQUESTS BY A
BODY.
I WOULD RECOMMEND WE PUT SOME BOXES AROUND IT.
IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT TRANSACTIONS OF THE ORGANIZATION,
INTERVIEW PEOPLE WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION, ASK FOR PEOPLE,
WHISTLE-BLOWERS TO COME FORWARD, I WILL BE SUPPORTIVE OF
THAT.
I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE STATE OF
FLORIDA AND DEFINED SCOPE.
10:50:56AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WANT TO CALL THE QUESTION ON BOTH.
BEFORE I CALL THE QUESTION, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, IF YOU COULD
JUST SPECIFY WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WANT, WHO IS GOING TO DO

IT, TIMELINE, JUST FOR MY SAKE.
I'M GOING TO SUPPORT BOTH.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S MOTION, I SEE THAT AS WORKING WITH THE
ADMINISTRATION TO COME BACK ON A PLAN THAT WE CAN ULTIMATELY
SUPPORT THAT, AGAIN, WILL ADDRESS THE CONCERNS BROUGHT UP BY
THESE LADIES.
I'M GLAD TO SUPPORT THAT AS WELL.
10:51:25AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I HAVE A QUESTION.
AS PART OF THE MOTION, MR. MIRANDA, JUST IN TERMS OF, AGAIN,
YOU KNOW WHAT COUNCIL'S AUTHORITY IS.
IT'S A LEGISLATIVE BODY.
IF YOU DO MAKE THE MOTION, IT WOULD BE A REQUEST.
WHETHER IT WOULD BE IN THE FORM OF A LETTER OR A RESOLUTION.
OF COURSE, I'M SURE WHATEVER AGENCY OR ENTITY YOU SEND IT TO
HAS CERTAIN CRITERIA OVER WHICH THEY HAVE AUTHORITY.
AND IF THEY DON'T, THEY OBVIOUSLY WILL INFORM YOU OF SUCH.
BUT IN TERMS OF THE MECHANISM OF HOW YOU WISH TO COMMUNICATE
COUNCIL'S REQUEST, IT OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY
TO INVESTIGATE AS BROADLY AS WHAT YOU SUGGEST.
10:52:05AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
[INAUDIBLE]
10:52:07AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YOU WITHDRAW THE MOTION?
10:52:10AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WITHDRAW THE MOTION -- [INAUDIBLE]
10:52:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
I'LL GO TO CARLSON FOR HIS MOTION.
YES, MA'AM.

10:52:21AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IN MY HEAD, I'M JUST THINKING, THERE IS A
MATTER OF UNION EMPLOYEES WHO ARE PROTECTED.
YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A PROCESS IN WHICH THEY ALREADY HAVE IN
PLACE WHERE THEY CAN GO TO.
I THINK FOR EVEN FOLKS THAT SPOKE TODAY, IT'S REALLY ABOUT
THOSE NONUNION EMPLOYEES AND EMPLOYEES AT WILL WHO ARE
SUBJECT TO NOT NECESSARILY HAVING A PLACE TO GO.
BUT A UNION EMPLOYEE DOES HAVE A PLACE TO GO.
THEY HAVE REPRESENTATION.
SO I JUST WANT THAT TO ALSO BE FACTORED INTO WHATEVER
DECISIONS WE MAKE TODAY.
10:53:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, YOU HAVE A
MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
DO YOU NEED TO RESTATE IT FOR THE CLERK?
10:53:08AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SAY TO THAT POINT, THERE ARE A LOT OF
POSSIBILITIES, SOMEBODY DISAGREES, THAT'S FINE.
UNDERSTANDING ALL THOSE DIFFERENT ASPECTS, MY RECOMMENDATION
IS TO GO TO AN EMPLOYMENT ATTORNEY AS A JUMPING OFF POINT.
THE ADMINISTRATION ON THE CASE YOU MENTIONED, HIRED
ATTORNEYS TO INVESTIGATE.
THAT WAY THE ATTORNEYS KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN UNION
EMPLOYEES AND OTHERS AND THEY'LL GUIDE THE PROCESS AND THEY
MAY END UP HIRING OUTSIDE PEOPLE TO HELP THEM WITH SOME
PROCESS.
AT LEAST WE SHOULD LOOK AT HAVING THEM COME BACK AND THEN

HAVING WORKED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF LITIGATION, THEY ALSO CAN
RECOMMEND TO US PROCESSES THAT CAN HELP AGGRIEVED PERSONS
GET THEIR SITUATION FIXED BUT ALSO POTENTIALLY REDUCE
LITIGATION FOR US.
10:53:55AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
[INAUDIBLE] IT APPEARS THAT YOUR
WHISTLE-BLOWER PROCEDURES AND YOUR ETHICS CODE INVOLVES THE
ETHICS COMMISSION BEING HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THIS AND THE
DESIGNATION OF A WHISTLE-BLOWER COMES FROM THE ETHICS
COMMISSION.
THERE IS A WHOLE PROCESS INVOLVED IN THIS THAT REALLY I HAVE
NOT ENGAGED IN, BUT I WANTED TO BRING IT TO COUNCIL'S
ATTENTION SO YOU KNOW IT'S RELEVANT TO WHAT'S ON YOUR BOOKS.
10:54:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE
MOTION, IF I COULD.
I WOULD LIKE TO, SINCE HAVING THE SEVEN OF US WORKING WITH
CHIEF OF STAFF IS VERY DIFFICULT, I WOULD LIKE FOR THIS
INITIAL PART, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S
OFFICE WORK WITH CHIEF OF STAFF TO COME UP WITH --
10:54:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MATRIX.
10:54:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, OR COME UP WITH WHAT'S -- I MEAN, IF
WE'RE GOING TO BRING AN OUTSIDE FIRM IN, I WOULD JUST LIKE
TO TRUST COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S OFFICE TO WORK WITH CHIEF OF
STAFF TO FIGURE THAT OUT FIRST SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE TO
GO NEXT BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
10:55:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.

10:55:07AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
A COUPLE OF THINGS, I ASSUME AS THE MAKER OF THE MOTION THAT
WOULD BE PROCEDURALLY, THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO IS, WE'RE VOTING ON PUTTING A CAKE IN THE OVEN
AND WE'RE BAKING IT NOW.
LET'S VOTE ON THIS AND MOVE FORWARD.
THAT'S WHAT THE MOTION IS.
ARE WE GOING TO PUT THIS THING IN THE OVEN?
NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW IT WILL BAKE.
LET'S VOTE, PLEASE.
10:55:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PUBLIX CAKE OR -- COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAS
A MOTION.
10:55:33AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I UPDATE WITH A PROCESS UPDATE, ADD TO
THE MOTION, AND SHE WOULD HAVE TO READ IT BACK TO ME, JUST
WITH THE PROCESS UPDATE ON APRIL 17.
IT MAY NOT BE FINISHED.
10:55:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'M NOT HERE APRIL 30.
DO APRIL 17.
10:55:55AM >>BILL CARLSON:
APRIL 17.
I JUST PICKED AN EMPTY DATE.
10:55:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
APRIL 17.
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON --
10:56:06AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU DIDN'T WRITE IT DOWN.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT CITY COUNCIL PARTNER WITH THE CHIEF OF
STAFF TO ENGAGE AN EMPLOYMENT ATTORNEY TO CONDUCT AN

ANALYSIS OF THE CITY'S PROCESSES REGARDING EMPLOYEE
GRIEVANCES AND TO INTERVIEW A SAMPLE OF EMPLOYEES WHO FEEL
AGGRIEVED, CURRENT AND FORMER EMPLOYEES, AND TO REPORT BACK
TO US WITH A RECOMMENDATION -- SERIES OF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR
HOW WE CAN IMPROVE OUR EMPLOYEE GRIEVANCE PROCESSES GOING
FORWARD WITH A WAY POINT UPDATE ON APRIL --
10:57:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND THEN HENDERSON.
10:57:09AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT THE LIST OF NAMES OF MRS. POYNOR
SUBMITTED ON THE RECORD BE ALSO PART OF THAT AND INDIVIDUAL
THAT WE HIRED IN ORLANDO WHO SAID HE DIDN'T WANT TO WORK FOR
US BEING ADDED TO THE LIST, MR. CARLSON AND MR. BENNETT WORK
WITH, THAT THOSE NAMES BE PART OF THE REVIEW.
10:57:25AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TO RESPOND TO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT, I
WOULD SAY SEPARATE SENTENCE, THE SAMPLE SHOULD INCLUDE THE
EMPLOYEES WHO LEFT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, MOBILITY, TPD, FIRE
WITHIN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
10:57:53AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
LET ME SAY THIS ABOUT FIRE AND POLICE.
WHEN YOU ARE HIRED AS A GROUP, USUALLY RETIRE AS A GROUP
MOSTLY.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.
BUT NOW WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE LEAVING BECAUSE THEY
STARTED BACK IN 1999, PRIOR TO THAT, AND THEY GOT HIRED AS A
GROUP AND THEY WANT TO RETIRE SO THEY ARE LEAVING.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S THE CASE, BUT THE PROBABILITY IS MORE
THAN LIKELY GREATER MORE THAN LESS THAT THAT'S THE REASON

THEY ARE LEAVING.
THEY HAVE A PENSION COMING AND THEY WANT TO RETIRE AND THEY
WANT TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.
BUT I WOULD LIKE THE NAMES OF THOSE THAT MRS. POYNOR POINTED
OUT AND YOU MENTIONED SOME OF THEM, THAT ALL THOSE NAMES ARE
INCLUDED AND REVIEWED, THE ATTORNEY, WHOEVER HIRE BETWEEN
YOURSELF, MR. BENNETT AND THE COUNCIL --
10:58:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I FORGOT LEGAL.
10:58:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CALL THE QUESTION.
10:58:45AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS THERE -- YOU HAD MENTIONED IT.
10:58:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SOMEONE HAS CALLED THE QUESTION.
10:58:52AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
FIRST OF ALL, AS YOUR LEGAL ADVISOR, I HAVE
SOME THINGS I'D LIKE TO STATE BEFORE THE QUESTION IS CALLED.
10:58:58AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'LL SECOND IT ONCE MR. SHELBY SPEAKS.
10:59:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD, MR. SHELBY.
10:59:02AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THERE ARE TWO ASPECTS TO THIS MOTION THAT
CONCERN ME.
NUMBER ONE IS SECTION 501 OF THE CHARTER SAYS DEPARTMENTS.
SUBSECTION A, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, WHICH SHALL HAVE
COGNIZANCE OF ALL LEGAL AFFAIRS OF THE CITY AND ALL MATTERS
PERTAIN TO THE OFFICE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.
THE CITY ATTORNEY SHALL BE AN ATTORNEY LICENSED TO PRACTICE
IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND SHALL BE THE HEAD OF THIS
DEPARTMENT AND SHALL BE THEIR DUTY TO TAKE THE MANAGEMENT
CHARGE AND CONTROL OF ALL THE LEGAL BUSINESS OF THE CITY AND

TO BE IN REGARD TO ALL MUNICIPAL AFFAIRS THE LEGAL ADVISOR
OF THE MAYOR, THE CITY COUNCIL, AND COMMITTEES THEREOF AND
THE SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS, ET CETERA.
THAT'S ONE THING I WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION.
NUMBER TWO IS WHEN YOU MAKE A MOTION THAT DELEGATES ONE
MEMBER OF YOUR BOARD TO DO SOMETHING --
10:59:57AM >> WE DID IT --
10:59:59AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WANT TO MAKE SURE, WELL, THAT'S WHY I
WANT TO HEAR WHAT THE MOTION IS BECAUSE IF YOU DO THAT, YOU
THEN CREATE SUNSHINE ISSUES.
11:00:09AM >>BILL CARLSON:
COULD I ALSO RESPOND TO THE FIRST ONE?
I WAS ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION SO I'M AWARE OF THE
POWERS OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I WANTED THE CHIEF OF STAFF
INVOLVED SO THAT WAY TWO MAJOR CLIENTS OF THE CITY ATTORNEY
ARE INVOLVED AND WE CAN BOTH CONSULT THE CITY ATTORNEY.
I WAS CAREFUL IN THE WORDING I PUT IN ANALYSIS, NOT
NECESSARILY A LEGAL OPINION, ASKING FOR AN ANALYSIS WITH THE
UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE LAW IS.
11:00:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
11:00:38AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT BEGS THE QUESTION HOW THIS ATTORNEY WILL
BE ENGAGED AND WHO WILL PAY FOR IT?
11:00:44AM >>LUIS VIERA:
AGAIN, WE'RE BAKING.
11:00:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE'RE MIXING.
11:00:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
EXACTLY, WE'RE MIXING.

11:00:49AM >>BILL CARLSON:
[INAUDIBLE] -- 17th COME BACK AND SAY HERE
BASED ON ALL THE CONVERSATION RECOMMENDED.
I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING PUNITIVE TO ANYBODY.
THAT'S WHY I WANT TO COLLABORATE WITH THE ADMINISTRATION.
11:01:05AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE MOTION STATED WHAT MR. CARLSON SAID
OR ADD THE NAMES ON THE LIST?
11:01:11AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I MADE AN AMENDMENT THAT ADDED A WHOLE BUNCH
OF PEOPLE THAT LEFT, BUT THERE WAS NOT A SECOND TO THAT.
ALL OF THEM WERE ON THERE.
I SAID ALL THE PEOPLE WHO LEFT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, LEGAL,
MOBILITY --
11:01:28AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AND THE GENTLEMAN IN ORLANDO.
11:01:32AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
EXECUTIVE STAFF, EVERYBODY.
11:01:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU'RE ADDING THAT LIST THAT WAS SHOWN
AND THE GUY FROM ORLANDO.
11:01:38AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AND WE CAN ADD --
11:01:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'LL VOTE FOR THE MOTION, NO PROBLEM.
11:01:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, DO YOU WANT TO
SAY ANYTHING?
11:01:45AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PLEASE, LET'S VOTE.
11:01:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THERE IS A QUESTION CALLED.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?

MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
SECOND WAS FROM HURTAK, CORRECT?
11:02:06AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I'M GOING TO ADVISE COUNCIL THAT WHEN THE
MINUTES, CERTAINLY THE CLERK WILL TALK TO THE OFFICE OF THE
MAKER OF THE MOTION, BUT WHEN THE MINUTES COME OUT, PLEASE
LET'S NOT WAIT UNTIL APRIL 17 TO FIRST LOOK AT THE MOTION
FOR THE FIRST TIME.
PLEASE REVIEW IT TO MAKE SURE IT REFLECTS WHAT COUNCIL TRULY
MEANS.
11:02:28AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE HAVE IT RECORDED TOO.
11:02:33AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THIS IS ADJACENT, BUT JUST BASED ON WHAT
WE WERE HEARING THIS MORNING, I THINK THAT WE ALSO SHOULD
SET SOME FORMALITY TO OUR EXIT INTERVIEW PROCESS THAT SEEMS
TO BE LOOSE OR DOESN'T NECESSARILY EXIST.
PEOPLE HAVE NOT BEEN SPOKEN TO THAT HAVE DECIDED TO LEAVE OR
WERE TERMINATED AT WILL.
AND WE NEED SOME FORMALITY TO THAT PROCESS.
I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST HAVE A MOTION WHERE STAFF EITHER
PROVIDES US A MEMORANDUM, IF THERE IS A PROCESS IN PLACE,
SEND IT TO US IN WRITTEN FORM SO THAT WE CAN EVALUATE THAT
AND MAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS.
11:03:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:03:18AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THAT WAS A MOTION.
11:03:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER

HENDERSON.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION?
ALL IN FAVOR?
11:03:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS GOES BACK TO THE CHARTER.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT CONTROL WE HAVE OVER HR.
THAT'S KIND OF THE POINT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN MAKE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS THAT
THEY HAVE TO DO THAT.
THAT'S WHY WHEN I WAS TALKING TO CHIEF OF STAFF, I WAS KIND
OF VAGUE ABOUT IT.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE THAT POWER, BUT I'M HAPPY.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF JUST KNOWING WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
11:03:54AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MEMORANDUM TO SEE WHAT IT SAYS.
11:03:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AT THE END YOU SAID WHAT WE CAN DO TO CHANGE
IT.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE IT IS WHAT I'M
SAYING.
WE CAN WORK WITH STAFF ON IT, BUT I THINK THAT HAS TO COME
FROM THE ADMINISTRATION.
AND WE CANNOT CONTROL HR.
11:04:11AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I'M NOT TRYING TO CONTROL HR, BUT I DO
FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD BE VERY CLEAR ON WHAT THE PROCESS
CURRENTLY IS HOW IT'S USED, IS IT RANDOM.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT RECEIVED EXIT INTERVIEWS THAT

ACTUALLY STATED THAT IN THEIR PUBLIC COMMENTS TODAY.
11:04:28AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WRITTEN REPORT.
11:04:29AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WRITTEN REPORT.
11:04:31AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
A DATE THAT YOU'LL HAVE IT BY?
11:04:35AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THAT IS THE PART I PONDER.
HOW ABOUT APRIL 3rd?
11:04:43AM >>LUIS VIERA:
SECOND.
11:04:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
ANYTHING ELSE?
11:04:52AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'LL BE FRANK.
I HELD MY TONGUE A FEW TIMES BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD
ON THINGS.
I WOULD SAY THIS.
I'M SAYING THIS ABOUT PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR US, WHETHER IN
CITY COUNCIL STAFF OR IN CRA, MENTIONS WERE MADE OF
MS. TRAVIS AND MS. MOODY, WOMEN FOR WHOM I HAVE GREAT
RESPECT.
I WAS SORRY TO SEE THEM GO.
I WOULD JUST SAY BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCES HERE
THAT WE ASK THEM PRIVATELY AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY FEEL
COMFORTABLE WITH US USING THEIR NAMES.
THAT'S IT.

I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO THEM ABOUT THIS OR ANYTHING OF THAT
NATURE BUT JUST FOR US ON CITY COUNCIL, I THINK THAT'S
IMPORTANT.
I HAVE GREAT, LIKE, GREAT RESPECT, GREAT RESPECT FOR THOSE
TWO LADIES.
AGAIN, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS BEING SAID.
THAT'S ALL.
11:05:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT ENDS THE DISCUSSION ON 1.
WE WANT TO FINISH THE WORKSHOP BY 1 P.M.
WE'RE AT THE FIRST ITEM.
YEAH, THEY ARE GOING TO EXIT REAL QUICK.
ITEM NUMBER 2, COUNCIL TO DISCUSS AND DETERMINE THE
PARAMETERS OF THE SOCIAL ACTION AND ARTS FUNDING MOVING
FORWARD.
THIS MOTION WAS MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
WE HAVE MR. ROGERO HERE AS WELL.
YES, MA'AM, KICK IT OFF.
11:06:47AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
GOOD MORNING.
I WOKE UP THIS MORNING AND I HAD THIS THOUGHT ABOUT THE FACT
THAT THE MAYOR ACTUALLY PRESENTS US WITH A BUDGET WITH THOSE
SOCIAL ITEM ACTIONS LISTED IN DETAIL.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS NOT CLEAR IS IF THERE'S EVEN A
FORMALITY TO HER PROCESS AND HOW WE AS COUNCIL CAN REQUEST
MODIFICATIONS WHILE WE'RE REVIEWING THE BUDGET.
FOR ME, I WANT US TO CONSIDER CITY ASSETS AND WHAT

PERCENTAGE OF THAT IS GOING TO BE A PART OF THE SOCIAL
ACTION FUND.
IS IT NECESSARY FOR US TO DO THAT WHEN WE'RE SUPPORTING THEM
IN GRANDEUR WAYS LIKE WITH CRA DOLLARS, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
TOWARDS PROJECTS?
IS IT NECESSARY WITHIN THE TIME FRAME THAT WE PROVIDE OTHER
SUPPORT TO THEM?
THE OTHER PART OF IT, TOO, IS THAT -- AND THIS WAS BASED ON
A PUBLIC LETTER WRITTEN TO ME IN CRITICISM AND, OF COURSE,
SHARED WITH ALL MY COUNCIL MEMBERS IS THAT I CARE ABOUT
THINGS THAT I SHOULDN'T CARE ABOUT.
I THOUGHT ABOUT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE DOLLAR AMOUNT.
THIS IS A QUARTER OF A PERCENT OF THE BUDGET.
IT IS VERY SMALL.
I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THIS BIG AND CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT IT
FOR TWO HOURS THIS MORNING.
BUT I REALLY BELIEVE THAT JUST BASED ON THE LONGEVITY OF
SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE SOCIAL ACTION
FUNDS, RECEIVING SOCIAL ACTION FUNDS, A WAY TO PROVIDE THEM
WITH THAT INFORMATION TO DATE YOU HAVE RECEIVED OVER THE
PAST, SINCE YOU'VE BEEN A PART OF THIS PROCESS, YOU HAVE
RECEIVED $2 MILLION FROM TAMPA CITY COUNCIL TO SUPPORT YOUR
ORGANIZATION, AND THAT THERE HAS TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TO BECOME A PART OF THIS WHILE WEANING
OFF PEOPLE WHO HAVE JUST BEEN ON IT FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

AND I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE WEEDS OF LOOKING AT, OH,
WELL, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO SAY, OH, THEY DON'T NEED OUR
MONEY BECAUSE THEY ARE A VERY LARGE ORGANIZATION AND THEY
GET SO MUCH SUPPORT FROM OTHER PLACES, I DON'T WANT TO
NECESSARILY DO THAT.
BUT I LOOK AT THE AMOUNTS THAT ARE GIVEN TO THE
ORGANIZATIONS THAT I PUT ON THE LIST.
AND I LIKE THE SMALLER AMOUNTS.
I REALLY DO.
I LIKE THE SMALLER AMOUNTS.
BECAUSE FOR ME IT'S SAYING WE SUPPORT YOU.
WE'RE NOT FUNDING YOUR ORGANIZATION BECAUSE IF YOU RECALL
RECENTLY, IT WAS SET UP FOR IT TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL AS A
RESOLUTION SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THEY GET THEIR MONEY BUT WE
HAD TO RUSH ONE BECAUSE THEY NEEDED IT TO PAY THEIR
EMPLOYEES.
WE ARE PUT IN THESE SITUATIONS WHERE NOW THE PUBLIC IS
COMING TO US LIKE WE'RE DOING SOMETHING WRONG AND DID AWARD
THE MONEY DURING THE BUDGET SEASON AND THAT PROCESS HAS TO
PLAY OUT, BUT WE HAD PEOPLE COME STAND BEFORE US AS THOUGH
WE WERE DOING SOMETHING WRONG AND REALLY WEREN'T.
THEY JUST NEEDED THE MONEY IMMEDIATELY AND THEY PUT THE ONUS
ON US.
I JUST REALLY WANT TO COMPEL THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IN THE
BUDGET PROCESS IS TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, BECAUSE

IT A MAYOR-LED SITUATION.
I DECIDED THIS MORNING THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO
TAKE FROM THE MAYOR.
IT IS COMING OUT OF HER OFFICE.
IF THERE IS A POSSIBILITY FOR REQUESTS TO COME INTO COUNCIL
MEMBERS DURING THE BUDGET PERIOD TO PRESENT TO THE MAYOR FOR
CONSIDERATION AND IS FORMAL, HOW DO WE DO THAT?
I DIDN'T KNOW TO DO THAT AS NEW COUNCIL MEMBER INITIALLY
UNTIL I READ A MEMO FROM MR. VIERA I THINK ASKING FOR FUNDS
FOR AN ORGANIZATION.
THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I WANT TO SAY ABOUT IT.
IT IS A QUARTER OF A PERCENT OF ONE PERCENT.
ISN'T IT LIKE $4 MILLION, BETWEEN FOUR AND FIVE?
MY VERY FIRST YEAR, AT THE BEGINNING IT WAS ALMOST SIX.
SO THERE WAS SOME REDUCTION BASED ON US PEELING OFF TO MAKE
OUR BUDGET WORK.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY --
11:11:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WAIT.
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, IF YOU WANT TO --
11:11:32AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THAT.
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON IN THE PAST HAS TALKED ABOUT
LIMITING THE NUMBER OF YEARS WE CAN FUND AN ORGANIZATION SO
WE'RE NOT FUNDING THEM FOREVER.
I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT.
ALSO SOME OF THE OTHER IDEAS ABOUT THE KINDS OF THINGS AND

WHAT -- AND HOW MUCH WE WOULD FUND SOMEBODY.
IN THE PARTICULAR CASE THAT YOU'RE MENTIONING, WITHOUT
NAMING NAMES, THERE WAS A REQUEST IN THE SPRING, I THINK
APRIL OR MAY, TO FUND A PROGRAM IN THE SUMMERTIME.
THEY CREATED A PROGRAM BASED ON THE FUNDING THAT WE WERE
GIVING, THEY RAN A PROGRAM IN THE SUMMER AND I THINK WE
DIDN'T PAY THEM UNTIL RECENTLY.
THAT WAS A LAST-MINUTE THING THAT WE AGREED TO DO BECAUSE
THE POOL IN THE AREA HAD BEEN CLOSED AND WE THOUGHT THIS WAS
AN ALTERNATIVE FOR KIDS TO BE INVOLVED.
I AGREE WITH YOU THAT ON A REGULAR BASIS, PEOPLE SHOULD NOT
BE COMING ASKING US URGENTLY FOR INFORMATION IN THAT
SITUATION.
HOPEFULLY THAT IS A ONE-OFF SITUATION.
THE OTHER THING, THOUGH, YOU SAID THIS IS IN THE MAYOR'S
OFFICE.
11:12:47AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WELL, IT STARTS THERE.
11:12:50AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TECHNICALLY BY CHARTER, CITY COUNCIL, THE
MAYOR PRESENTS A BUDGET, BUT IT'S UP TO CITY COUNCIL TO
DECIDE.
YOU COULD SAY IT IS A SHARED DUTY OR ULTIMATELY CITY
COUNCIL'S RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE WE CAN CHANGE THE BUDGET
WITH FIVE VOTES.
11:13:02AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
TRUE.
11:13:03AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE THING THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND OTHERS HAVE

DONE IN THE LAST FEW YEARS IS TO CREATE A MORE OBJECTIVE
PROCESS TO ANALYZE THESE AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE FITTING
CERTAIN CRITERIA AND ROI WHICH I THINK HAS BEEN A GOOD
THING, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO ASK THEM FOR
SUPPORT.
WE CAN PUT IN WHATEVER WE WANT IN THE BUDGET, BUT WE SHOULD
IDEALLY AGREE TO THE CRITERIA, JUST LIKE WE DID ON THE
NAMING CRITERIA.
AND THEN WITHIN THE CRITERIA, WE COULD PUT THINGS IN.
11:13:34AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT, THE EMERGENCY
MONEY FOR THAT ORGANIZATION.
MR. BRODY, ISN'T THIS YOURS FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT?
EVEN THOUGH WE VOTED TO GIVE THEM MONEY, WE STILL HAVE
AGREEMENTS, RIGHT?
IT TOOK UNTIL NOVEMBER, BUT IF WE VOTED TO GIVE THEM MONEY,
IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS.
SO THE FORMALITY PART WAS AN AGREEMENT ALSO HAD TO BE
CREATED FOR THEM JUST LIKE IT IS CREATED FOR EVERYONE ELSE.
IT CAN'T BE RANDOM JUST BECAUSE THEY REALLY NEEDED IT AND WE
WANTED TO SUPPORT THEM, BECAUSE, REMEMBER, THE NAACP DIDN'T
HAVE -- YOU KNOW, THEY HAD SOME SORT OF OLD AGREEMENT OR
WHATEVER AND THEY WERE BEHOLDEN TO AN AGREEMENT AND NOBODY
ELSE WAS OR SOME PEOPLE WEREN'T.
WE'RE WORKING ON THAT PROCESS NOW.
THAT ALSO NEEDS TO BE SPOKEN TO IN TERMS OF DOLLAR AMOUNTS.

BECAUSE FROM MY UNDERSTANDING NOW, ANYTHING $25,000 --
$24,999 IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THOSE WHO GET MORE MONEY.
11:14:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I SAY ONE LAST THING ON THAT?
I THINK THAT WAS A PARTICULAR SITUATION BECAUSE OF THE
SITUATION WITH THE POOL, BUT ALSO THE COUNTY HAD BEEN
FUNDING THE PROGRAM AND THEN SUDDENLY STOPPED, SO WE WERE
PROVIDING BRIDGE FUNDING.
SMALL NONPROFIT.
HOPEFULLY A SPECIAL SITUATION.
YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT.
WITHOUT NAMING NAMES, WHEN AN ORGANIZATION THAT COUNCIL HAS
ADVOCATED FOR MAKES A REQUEST, IF THAT PROCESS TO GET THE
CHECK TAKES A LONG TIME, THERE IS THE FEELING THAT THEY ARE
SOMEHOW BEING PUT IN A SLOW LANE WHERE THE ONES THAT THE
MAYOR PUTS IN ARE IN THE FAST LANE.
WHETHER THAT'S TRUE OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW.
YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT THAT IN THE APPLICATION WE SHOULD
PUT AN ESTIMATED PROCESS SO WE CAN SET PEOPLE'S EXPECTATIONS
THAT IT TAKES TIME TO CREATE A CONTRACT.
MOST OF IT SHOULD BE OFF THE SHELF BUT TAKES TIME TO CREATE
A CONTRACT AND CUT A CHECK.
EVEN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, YOU CAN'T ALWAYS CUT A CHECK
IMMEDIATELY.
BUT THERE SHOULD BE MAYBE A FINAL SO THAT PEOPLE CAN EXPECT
WHEN THE MONEY.

SHOULDN'T DRAG OUT IDEALLY MORE THAN 90 DAYS, DEFINITELY NOT
MORE THAN SIX MONTHS.
IF IT'S PAST SIX MONTHS, THEN THERE SHOULD BE REAL
JUSTIFICATION FOR IT.
MY RECOMMENDATION IS PUT OBJECTIVE PROCESS IN SO NOBODY
FEELS LIKE THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT TRACKS.
11:16:02AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ALSO TO YOUR POINT, EVEN WITH THE FUNDING
THAT OTHER FOLKS RECEIVE, THEY GET IT ON A QUARTERLY BASIS.
THEY DON'T GET IT ALL AT ONCE LIKE DID FOR THE ORGANIZATION.
THAT IS ALSO PART OF THE ISSUE TOO.
A PROCESS FOR EVEN HANDLING EMERGENCIES BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE
CAN COME BEFORE US AND FEEL LIKE THEY ARE ENTITLED.
11:16:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:16:26AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WAS GOING TO SAY WITH REGARDS TO TIMING, IT'S ALSO ON US
IN OUR OFFICE TO MAKE SURE WE DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE.
IF WE MAKE A REQUEST, WE CONNECT THE PARTIES AND DON'T JUST
THROW THINGS ON THE ADMINISTRATION, HEY GO DO THIS.
GOOD EXAMPLE, WE GOT $75,000 FOR THE PENGUIN PROJECT THAT
DOES WORK FOR PEOPLE WITH INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES IN THE
PERFORMING ARTS.
THERE WAS A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH.
IT TOOK A LONG WHILE.
I FEEL THAT ULTIMATELY THE BURDEN OF STARTING THAT PROCESS
LIES WITH THE OFFICE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBER WHO MADE THE

EFFORT TO GET THOSE FUNDS BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THE
ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T HAVE A CONTACT.
AND IF WE WANT THE FUNDS AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, THEN WE KIND
OF HAVE THE BURDEN OF DOING THAT.
I SAY THAT, BY THE WAY, AS SOMEBODY WHO HAS MADE REQUESTS,
ORGANIZATIONS.
I'LL DEFEND THEM UNTIL MY LAST DAY ON GOD'S EARTH.
THEY DO THE GOOD LORD'S WORK.
BUT WE DO HAVE, I THINK, A BURDEN, A CIVIC BURDEN, IF YOU
WILL, OF TRYING TO CONNECT THE PARTIES AND OF SAYING, HEY,
LOOK, HERE IS THE APPLICATION, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON
IT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA?
BECAUSE WE DID MAKE THE REQUEST.
WE DID MAKE THE REQUEST.
I THINK THAT IS A GOOD POINT WHICH IS YOU DON'T WANT
SOMETHING TO LANGUISH, BUT IF YOU START SOMETHING, TO QUOTE
VAN HALEN, YOU HAVE TO FINISH WHAT YOU STARTED.
11:17:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
VAN HALEN WITH EDDIE VAN HALEN AND DAVID
LEE ROTH.
I APOLOGIZE.
MY WRONG VAN HALEN.
11:17:59AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
HE'S JUST STANDING THERE.
SAY SOMETHING.
11:18:04AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHICH VAN HALEN DO YOU LIKE BETTER?
11:18:07AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I'M OLD SCHOOL.

DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION PRIOR TO GETTING TO ME BECAUSE I
THINK AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION YOU ALL HAVE PROVIDED A VERY
GOOD OVERVIEW OF THE PROGRAM AND NOT ONLY WHERE, FROM MY
PERSPECTIVE WE'VE COME FROM IN THE LAST, ESPECIALLY THE LAST
FEW RECENT YEARS, TO WHERE WE'RE AT NOW.
A PROGRAM THAT WE THINK AND HOPEFULLY YOU ALL THINK IS MORE
EQUITABLE, FIRST OF ALL, A PROGRAM THAT, AS YOU SAID,
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SPEAKS TO MORE OF AN OBJECTIVE DRIVEN
DONATION, IF YOU WILL, TO THESE ORGANIZATIONS AS OPPOSED TO
HERE'S MONEY AND WE HOPE YOU DO GOOD WORK.
I HAVE VERY FEW, LIKE TWO OR THREE SLIDES JUST TO KIND OF
LEVEL SET.
I DID WANT TO SPEAK TO YOUR COMMENT, COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
YOU'RE QUITE RIGHT, I THINK, FROM A FISCAL YEAR, A SINGLE
FISCAL YEAR PERSPECTIVE, IT'S FIVE, SIX MILLION DOLLARS.
IT'S NOT THE BIGGEST PORTION OF OUR BUDGET BY ANY MEANS, BUT
WE HAVE GONE BACK, AND WE CAN GO BACK SOMEWHAT EASILY TO
2014 GIVEN OUR FINANCIAL SYSTEM AND IT'S BEEN OVER $50
MILLION THAT HAVE BEEN CONTRIBUTED TO THESE ORGANIZATIONS
SINCE 2014.
SO IT ADDS UP, AS MOST THINGS OFTEN DO.
IF I COULD HAVE THE ELMO UP, PLEASE.
THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE YOUR INDULGENCE, COUNCIL.

AGAIN, JUST TO LEVEL SET ON SOME OF THE TERMINOLOGY, AS YOU
SAID, COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, THOSE NONPROFITS THAT RECEIVED
$25,000 OR MORE, WE REQUIRE -- THIS IS A RELATIVELY RECENT
DEVELOPMENT, WE REQUIRE AN AGREEMENT FOR SOME TIME THIS WAS
NOT A REQUIREMENT.
JUST GOING OFF MEMORY, FOR SOME TIME WE HAD ABOUT HALF OF
OUR NONPROFITS THAT WERE NOT BEHOLDEN TO AN AGREEMENT AND WE
HAD ABOUT HALF OF OUR NONPROFITS THAT WERE.
NOW EACH OTHER AND EVERY ONE THAT RECEIVES $25,000 OR MORE
IS.
NONAGREEMENTS, ORGANIZATIONS RECEIVING $24,999 A YEAR -- PER
YEAR OR LESS.
NOW, THIS IS NOT TO SAY WE DON'T TRY TO HOLD THEM
ACCOUNTABLE, BUT IT IS IN SOME INSTANCES A SUBSTANTIALLY
LESS AMOUNT SO YOU WANT TO BALANCE THAT SCRUTINY AND
OBJECTIVITY WITH HOW MUCH MONEY YOU ARE GIVING THEM.
WE HAVE A SINGLE PAGE THAT WE REVIEW QUARTERLY AND IN MOST
CASES PRIOR TO ISSUING THE CHECK, WHAT HAD THEY DONE DURING
THAT QUARTER.
CITY ASSETS, OF COURSE, YOU SEE THEM LISTED BELOW.
THESE ARE CITY-OWNED ASSETS THAT I THINK WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR
WITH, OPERATED BY NONPROFITS.
THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT AND MORE RESTRICTIVE SET OF
REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE THEY ARE OUR ASSETS ACTING ON OUR
BEHALF.

SO WE HAVE -- WE COULD CALL THEM AGREEMENT AGENCIES, BUT WE
DO LIKE TO SEPARATE THEM OUT BECAUSE WE OWN THEM.
JUST TO GET THE TERMINOLOGY THERE.
PRIOR TO THE CURRENT SITUATION, YOU SEE PRE-SOCIAL ACTION
AND ARTS FUND.
IT'S GONE BY MANY NAMES.
IT HAS BEEN THE NONDEPARTMENTAL FUND.
IT'S BEEN SOCIAL ACTION IN ARTS FUND.
I'VE FORGOTTEN SOME OF THE NAMES.
NOW WE LIKE TO PUT IT UNDER THE SAME UMBRELLA SO WE ALL KNOW
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
PRIOR TO THE CURRENT SETUP, THE MAYOR RECOMMENDED FUNDING
LEVELS FOR BOTH CITY-OWNED ASSETS AND NONPROFITS WITHIN THE
PROPOSED BUDGET.
COUNCIL EITHER ADOPTED MAYOR'S RECOMMENDATION AND TRY NOT TO
READ THE ENTIRE SLIDE OR AMENDED AND IN SOME INSTANCES
ADDED.
WE HAVE A VERY SIMILAR -- I'LL PUSH THIS UP NOW FOR THOSE
SEEING THE CLOSED CAPTIONING -- MAYOR RECOMMENDS FUNDING
LEVELS FOR CITY-OWNED ASSETS, ET CETERA.
NONPROFITS ARE INVITED TO REQUEST SOCIAL ACTION ARTS FUNDING
BY APPLYING AND/OR WE STILL RECEIVE COUNCIL REQUESTS.
AND HERE IS WHERE I THINK WE'VE REALLY CHANGED
PHILOSOPHICALLY.
NOW IT'S ABOUT THE OUTCOMES.

WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THE FUNDING THE CITY IS GIVING YOU?
ACCOUNTABILITY, ALIGNMENT WITH OUR STRATEGIC -- WHEN I SAY
OUR, OUR OBJECTIVES AS REFERENCED AND AS IDENTIFIED AND
FUNDED IN THE ANNUAL BUDGET THAT THE MAYOR SUBMITS AND
COUNCIL ADOPTS.
LEVERAGING THE CITY RESOURCES.
WE DO, A, CAN SOME OF THE NONPROFITS AUGMENT, ACCELERATE,
IMPROVE A BY GIVING THEM MONEY AND THEY DO B AND THAT'S WHAT
IT'S ALL ABOUT, RIGHT?
THE MOST BANG FOR OUR BUCK.
FOR CITY-OWNED AND AGREEMENTS, YOU SEE THE REQUEST TO BOTH
COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON'S COMMENTS,
CITY COUNCIL REQUEST.
OF COURSE, IDEALLY, IT'S BEST TO GET THE REQUEST DURING THE
BUDGET PROCESS, BUT I THINK BOTH COUNCIL AND THE
ADMINISTRATION, WE CAN BE SHOWN WE CAN BE VERY FLEXIBLE.
NEEDS ARISE AND WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THOSE NEEDS IN AN
APPLICATION.
DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO COME THROUGH THE MAYOR OR CITY
COUNCIL.
WE RECEIVE INFORMATION AND WE SERVICE IT.
REQUEST THE APPLICATION PROCESS, RECEIPT, REVIEW, FUNDING
DECISION, AND THEN AGAIN THIS IS RELATIVELY NEW, ASSIGNED TO
THE APPROPRIATE PORTFOLIO OF AN ADMINISTRATOR.
AGAIN, KEEPING WITH THE LEVERAGING AND ACCOUNTABILITY, MAKE

SURE THAT THE SERVICES BEING PROVIDED -- I'LL SPEAK TO THAT
IN JUST A MOMENT, THE SERVICES BEING PROVIDED NOT ONLY ALIGN
WITH WHAT WE WANT TO DO AS A CITY, BUT ALSO ALIGN WITH THE
CAPABILITIES AND OBJECTIVES OF THE DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE
CITY.
SO WE'RE ALL SAILING IN THE SAME DIRECTION.
THEN YOU CAN MONITOR CONTRACT, PERFORMANCE, APPROVES
PAYMENT.
I LOOKED OVER TALKING ABOUT MORE DETAIL TO MS. KOPESKY HERE,
AND IF I'M EVER REMISS FROM NOT THANKING HER IT'S BECAUSE I
AM REMISS.
WE APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK YOU HAVE DONE WITH US ON MANY
ISSUES.
APPRECIATE THE PARTNERSHIP AND, OF COURSE, SHE WAS OF GREAT
ASSISTANCE IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE.
SO HAVING SAID THAT, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE THINK AND IT
SOUNDS LIKE FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, WE THINK THE PROCESS HAS
BEEN IMPROVED.
AGAIN, WE CAN REMAIN FLEXIBLE.
PLANNING IS ALWAYS BEST, BUT WE HAVE RECEIVED VARIOUS
INPUTS.
WE'VE HEARD, HEY, THE PROCESS HAS BEEN IMPROVED.
IT'S MORE EQUITABLE.
THAT'S GREAT.
DRIVE ON.

WE HEARD, AS YOU SAID, COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, HEY, MAYBE WE
WANT TO DO LESS APPROPRIATIONS FOR A GREATER NUMBER OF
ORGANIZATIONS.
MAYBE WE WANT TO -- WE'VE ALSO HEARD MAYBE WE WANT TO
ELIMINATE OR SET A SUNSET PERIOD FOR ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE
RECEIVED FUNDING FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
MAYBE WE WANT TO START FROM ZERO EACH AND EVERY YEAR AND
BUILD UP FROM THEN.
AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR INDULGING ME.
WE ARE REALLY HERE TO SUPPORT YOU AND YOUR DISCUSSIONS AND
PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU WOULD LIKE.
THANK YOU.
11:25:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
11:25:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE THIS DISCUSSION.
I THINK IT'S REALLY GOOD.
WE HAD A BIT OF IT BEFORE DURING BUDGET TIME, SO I'M GLAD
WE'RE COMING BACK TO IT.
I DO SUPPORT THE IDEA OF SUNSETTING, MOVING THINGS ON.
SO WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO DO IS I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IF I HEARD
THE CATEGORIZATION CORRECTLY.
AND THIS JUST MIGHT BE ME.
SO THE CITY-OWNED ASSETS, I BELIEVE THAT SHOULD PROBABLY BE
A SEPARATE CATEGORY.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO FUND.

TO ME, THAT IS NOT A SOCIAL ACTION IN ART ISSUE.
IT'S US TAKING CARE OF OUR RESOURCES OF WHAT WE OWN.
IT'S A RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY.
IT'S NOT AN OPTION, WHEREAS I FIND THAT THE SOCIAL ACTION
THINGS, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE CHOOSING TO TAKE ON.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THAT OUT.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO TAKE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, I THINK WE
TALKED ABOUT THIS, AND MAKE SURE WE MOVE THAT TO NOT BE A
SOCIAL ACTION ART FUND BECAUSE SOCIAL ACTION IN ARTS AND
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ARE WILDLY DIFFERENT.
SO IF WE WANT TO LOOK AT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN A DIFFERENT
LIGHT, LET'S DO THAT.
AGAIN, MAYBE WE HAVE A DIFFERENT POT OF MONEY FOR THAT.
MAYBE WE DIVIDE THIS POT OF MONEY.
I DON'T KNOW.
I'M JUST THROWING THAT IDEA OUT THERE.
BUT AS FAR AS TALKING ABOUT SUNSETTING ORGANIZATIONS, SINCE
THIS IS A NEW IDEA, I WOULD RECOMMEND DOING THAT.
MAYBE PUTTING FOLKS WHO HAVE RECEIVED FUNDING FOR FIVE OR
MORE YEARS ON NOTICE THIS YEAR THAT WE WILL BE.
11:27:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
EVALUATING?
11:27:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
-- WELL, THAT THEIR FUNDING WILL COME TO AN
END IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS SO THAT THEY HAVE TIME.
BECAUSE AS A NONPROFIT, IT TAKES TIME TO FIND A NEW FUNDING
STREAM.

IF WE LET THEM KNOW THIS YEAR AND THAT NEXT YEAR THEY CAN
RECEIVE SOME FUNDING, BUT THEN BY THAT THIRD YEAR, WE NEED
TO START TALKING ABOUT MAYBE 50% OF THE FUNDING THAT THEY
HAVE GOTTEN SO THEY CAN WORK ON MOVING AND FINDING OTHER
FUNDING SOURCES.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY PERSONAL RECOMMENDATION, A LETTER TO
THOSE FOLKS LETTING THEM KNOW THAT IN THREE YEARS, FUNDING
WILL DISAPPEAR.
AND THEN ON THE LAST YEAR, DOING THAT FUNDING BY HALF AND
THEN LETTING ANYBODY ELSE WHO COMES TO REQUEST MONEY TO KNOW
IT WOULD BE MAYBE A FIVE-YEAR PROCESS AND THEN EVERY YEAR IT
WOULD BE REEVALUATED, NOT JUST ABSOLUTELY YOU'LL GET THIS
AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT THEM COMING IN AND SAYING, HEY, YOU
KNOW, WE ARE RAMPING UP, SO WE MIGHT NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE
THIS YEAR, BUT BY THAT LAST YEAR, THEY ARE ONLY GOING TO GET
HALF OF WHAT THEY NORMALLY GET SO THEY CAN WORK ON FINDING
-- THAT DIDN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.
OKAY.
LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN.
A FIVE-YEAR CAP WITH THE IDEA THAT WE WORK WITH THEM DURING
THAT FIVE YEARS.
IT'S NOT JUST GIVE THEM THE MONEY AND THEN THEY COME BACK
NEXT YEAR.
IT'S GIVE THEM THE MONEY.
YOU'RE PUTTING THEM UNDER A CURRENT DEPARTMENT, SO THEY NEED

TO BE WORKING WITH THAT DEPARTMENT.
SAY SOMEONE COMES TO US FOR AN AFTER-SCHOOL PROGRAM AND THEY
JUST WANT TO GET IT STARTED.
AND IT'S GOING REALLY WELL.
SO THEY NEED TO RAMP UP AND MAYBE -- WE START WITH 50,000.
MAYBE THEY NEED $65,000 THE NEXT YEAR.
WELL, IN THAT THIRD YEAR, WE'RE HELPING THEM FIND OTHER
SOURCES SO IT WILL GO DOWN TO 50 AGAIN.
LIKE JUST WORKING WITH FOLKS.
NOT JUST AUTOMATICALLY GIVING THE MONEY AND WIPING OUR HANDS
AND WALKING AWAY, BUT PROVIDING THOSE RESOURCES TO OTHER
NONPROFIT AGENCIES, PROVIDING RESOURCES TO HELP THEM LEARN
HOW TO DO GRANTS.
SO BASICALLY KIND OF WHAT WE DO FOR SMALL BUSINESS BUT FOR
THE NONPROFIT.
I THINK THIS OPENS UP AN IDEA OF ALL SORTS OF THINGS AND
THEN WE GIVE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE, LIKE COUNCILWOMAN
HENDERSON SAID, A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE TO GET THAT
OPPORTUNITY.
SO I BELIEVE THAT EVEN IF THEY DON'T GET -- IF THEY DON'T
HAVE TO HAVE A WRITTEN AGREEMENT UNDER $25,000, THEY SHOULD
STILL BE ABLE TO HAVE THE RESOURCES THAT WE'RE GOING TO
PROVIDE TO NONPROFITS OF GRANT WRITING, OF CONNECTION TO
OTHER ITEMS.
SO THAT'S BASICALLY --

11:30:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I AGREE.
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
11:30:09AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I THINK IT'S GOOD TO HAVE SOME FORM OF THAT, WHICH IS AFTER
SOME YEARS WE TRANSITION IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
ANOTHER THING, AND THE IDEA OF CITY-OWNED PROPERTIES BEING
SET ASIDE FROM THAT I THINK MAKES SENSE.
I WAS ALWAYS KIND OF CONFUSED IN SEEING SOME OF THESE
INSTITUTIONS THERE, BECAUSE THEY ARE SEPARATE AND DISTINCT.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE, HOW SHALL I SAY THIS?
PERFECT EXAMPLE, WE GOT IN THE BUDGET THIS YEAR VETERANS
HELPING VETERANS.
I'M UNAWARE IN THE PAST OF ANY VETERANS ORGANIZATION IN THE
PAST GETTING ANY FUNDS.
I REMEMBER COUNCILMAN MIRANDA TALKED ABOUT HISPANIC, LATINO
ORGANIZATIONS.
AND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.
WE GOT INTO NEW TAMPA PLAYERS, THE PENGUIN PROJECT.
SO MAKING SURE THAT IF WE ARE GOING TO TRANSITION AWAY FROM
AN ORGANIZATION, IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE GO FROM THE
METHODIST, LET'S JUMP TO THE PRESBYTERIANS, THERE ARE A LOT
OF DIFFERENT GROUPS RIGHT UNDER AN UMBRELLA THAT COULD
BENEFIT.
AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A PRESENCE FOR
VETERANS, THAT WE HAVE A PRESENCE FOR PEOPLE WITH

DISABILITIES.
THAT'S HUGE.
MAKING SURE THAT WE DO TARGET ORGANIZATIONS FOR PEOPLE WITH
DISABILITIES.
AND IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE JUST ONE, BY THE WAY.
BUT MAKING SURE THAT WE DO THAT.
I THINK THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
BUT SOME LEVEL OF BREAKING AWAY AFTER FIVE YEARS, I CAN
SUPPORT.
MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT ORGANIZATIONS MAKING OVER A CERTAIN
AMOUNT, OVER 15, 25 THOUSAND DOLLARS.
WHATEVER.
GOD EXAMPLE, I REQUESTED FOR THE TAMPA CITY BALLET, GREAT
ORGANIZATION THAT'S RUN BY A BUNCH OF NICE WOMEN FROM
VENEZUELA, AMONG OTHER PLACES, FOR FUNDS, GOT THEM FOR
$15,000.
YOU KNOW, I'D HATE FOR THIS TO BE THEIR YEAR ONE, MAKE MORE
MONEY.
THEY ARE A GREAT ORGANIZATION.
SOME LEVEL OF MOVING AWAY I THINK MAKES SENSE AND I COULD
SUPPORT THAT.
BUT WE DO NEED CATEGORIES, MAKE SURE THAT CERTAIN CATEGORIES
ARE IN THERE.
11:32:18AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
IF I COULD SPEAK TO BOTH COUNCILMAN VIERA
AND I BELIEVE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S PREVIOUS COMMENTS ABOUT

CATEGORIZATION AND I'M THROWING THIS OUT AND MAYBE YOU
THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
MS. KOPESKY HAS DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF CATEGORIZING THE
VARIOUS SUBJECTS OF THE FUNDING.
ON THE FRONT END, YOU COULD ENTERTAIN IDENTIFYING SPECIFIC
AMOUNTS OF FUNDING FOR EACH CATEGORY AND THEN PARSING THAT
FUNDING OUT TO PARTICULAR NONPROFITS WITHIN THAT CATEGORY.
WE'VE DONE IT ON THE BACK END.
YOU MAY CONSIDER DOING IT ON THE FRONT END.
11:32:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND HENDERSON.
11:32:56AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, THE CATEGORIES ARE
CRITICALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE MY FRIENDS WHO WORK FOR
FOUNDATIONS SAY YOU THINK IT IS A GREAT JOB BECAUSE YOU'RE
APPROVING GIVING --
11:33:12AM >> SORRY.
11:33:12AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU THINK IT IS A GREAT JOB BECAUSE YOU'RE
GIVING MONEY AWAY ALL DAY, BUT REALITY IS 98% OF THE TIME
THEY ARE REJECTING SOMEBODY FOR MONEY.
IT'S EASIER IF YOU HAVE THE CATEGORIES AND KIND OF MEASURES
UP THERE SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW THEY DON'T QUALIFY.
IT'S HARD, BUT AT LEAST THAT GIVES THEM AN EASY WAY TO FIND
IT ON THE WEBSITE.
AND THEN HAVE CRITERIA THERE FOR HOW THEY COULD DO IT.
BECAUSE IT IS A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN COUNCIL AND THE CITY
COUNCIL, A LOT OF THE LANGUAGE THAT COMES OUT OF

COMMUNICATION TALKS ABOUT T-3, TRANSFORMING TAMPA'S
TOMORROW.
THAT IS THE MAYOR'S ANNOUNCEMENT.
THIS IS A COLLABORATIVE THING.
I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT IT TALKS ABOUT THE CITY,
NOT THE MAYOR OR CITY COUNCIL.
I THINK ALSO THAT WE SHOULD REALLY CENTER -- THERE ARE
CATEGORIES, BUT THEN OVERALL, WE SHOULD CENTER AROUND
INNOVATION AND SERVICE GAPS.
IDEALLY IT WOULD BE CALLED LIKE SERVICE INNOVATION GRANTS OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BECAUSE WE WANT TO PROMOTE INNOVATION IN THE COMMUNITY, AND
INNOVATION COULD LEAD TO MORE PERMANENT POLICY SOLUTIONS.
BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE KIND OF FUNDING TO BETA TEST
IDEAS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BRING ON.
AND THEN IF IT'S RELATED TO ONE OF THE OTHER AREAS WE MIGHT
FUND, MAYBE THERE WOULD BE MORE PERMANENT THING IN SOME
OTHER BUDGET.
REALLY WE'RE PAYING FOR INNOVATION.
AND THEN SERVICE GAPS, LIKE IN THE CASE WE MENTIONED IN
SULPHUR SPRINGS A LITTLE WHILE AGO, DIDN'T HAVE A POOL IN
THE SUMMER.
NEEDED SOME OTHER STUDENT PROGRAM SO WE QUICK FUNDED
SOMETHING.
THERE MIGHT BE OTHER SERVICE GAPS THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, IN A

SITUATION WHERE THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO NEED TO FIND
HOMES, MAYBE A NONPROFIT CAN HELP PEOPLE FIND PLACES TO RENT
QUICKLY.
SO, AGAIN, SERVICE GAP.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T LOOK POLITICAL.
IT SHOULDN'T LOOK LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO BUY VOTES IN A
CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOOD OR CERTAIN COMMUNITY OR WITH CERTAIN
POLICY AREA.
IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE THAT -- IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHERE
THE ORGANIZATION IS OR WHAT THE NAMES ARE.
WHAT REALLY MATTERS IS, ARE YOU PROVIDING INNOVATION OR
PROVIDING A SERVICE GAP?
MOST IMPORTANTLY AT THE END, IDEALLY IT WOULD TIE TO
MEASURABLE OUTCOMES.
AN OUTCOME IS NOT HOW MANY KIDS YOU HAD IN A PROGRAM.
AN OUTCOME IS HOW DO YOU SYSTEMICALLY CHANGE THE PER CAPITA
INCOME IN A COMMUNITY OR HOW DO YOU HELP MORE PEOPLE TO FIND
HOMES TO RENT OR HOW DO YOU HELP MORE PEOPLE BUY HOMES?
THOSE ARE OUTCOMES.
THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE YOU TRAIN IN A HUD PROGRAM IS
IMPORTANT, BUT THAT'S OUTPUT, NOT OUTCOME.
ULTIMATELY WE HAVE TO BE TRACKING AGAINST OUTCOME.
OUTCOME IN THE HOUSING THING IS EITHER GETTING PEOPLE IN
RENTAL HOMES OR GET PEOPLE TO BUY HOMES.
WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE ULTIMATE NUMBERS.

THANK YOU.
11:36:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
11:36:15AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU, CHAIR.
I REMEMBER WE TOOK OUT THE MILLION DOLLARS AND PUT IT UNDER
HOUSING, I BELIEVE, CHIEF.
DID WE TAKE A MILLION DOLLARS HOUSE AND PUT IT UNDER HOUSING
FOR UNHOUSED FOLKS BECAUSE IT WAS ALSO UNDER SOCIAL ACTION.
I MADE A MOTION MONTHS AGO DURING BUDGET SEASON, I BELIEVE,
AND IT WAS UNANIMOUS THAT WE ACTUALLY INFORM EVERY
ORGANIZATION THAT THEY ARE NOT GUARANTEED TO GET FUNDING, AM
I CORRECT ABOUT THAT?
11:36:45AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES.
11:36:46AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE ALREADY PUT THEM ON NOTICE THAT THERE'S
NO GUARANTEE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO RECEIVE FUNDING.
GOSH, MY 60-YEAR-OLD BRAIN.
I LOST THAT THOUGHT.
OKAY.
I'M JUST GOING TO HAVE TO LET IT GO.
I APOLOGIZE FOR YOU ALL SEEING THIS BRAIN FREEZE.
YES, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS AND IT WAS ACTUALLY
IMPORTANT.
I WANT TO THANK YOU, FIRST OF ALL, I DO WANT TO DO THAT AS
WELL FOR EVEN HELPING US BREAK THESE CATEGORIES DOWN.
THAT MAKES IT A LOT CLEANER TO UNDERSTAND.
I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK UP HERE.

BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
11:37:37AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU TALKED ABOUT WARNING ORGANIZATIONS THAT
THEY WOULDN'T GET CONTINUING, ONGOING FUNDING.
11:37:43AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
REMEMBER WHEN HE SAID, INITIALLY HE SAID,
THANK YOU, IT TRIGGERED THIS.
I LIKE THIS LANGUAGE BECAUSE I COULD USE THIS WHEN I'M
TALKING TO THE PUBLIC AND GOING BACK AND LOOKING AT THE
DATA, 2014, WE DO SUPPORT ORGANIZATIONS IN THE TUNE OF $50
MILLION.
THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
A LOT OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE BEEN IN THERE A VERY LONG
TIME.
WHICH MEANS WE'VE SUPPORTED YOU TO THE TUNE OF MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS.
THE PART THAT CONCERNS ME IS THE OVER-LOBBYING OF US.
I WAS APPROACHED WITH ONE IN MY DISTRICT, AND I DID MAKE A
REQUEST FROM THE MAYOR.
AND THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE AMOUNT.
SO THAT KIND OF CONCERNED ME BECAUSE IT PUTS US IN THIS
PICKLE WHERE THEY EVEN GOT MORE FROM THE MAYOR THAN WHAT I
INITIALLY EVEN ASKED FOR BUT THEN THEY STARTED LOBBYING THE
COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THAT KIND OF MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE TOO BECAUSE I KNEW THAT
SOCIAL ACTION FUNDS -- YOU KNOW, I KNEW WE WOULD BE PUTTING
THIS UNDER REVIEW.

WHY START WITH THE HIGH AMOUNT WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE
OUT WHERE WE WANT TO GO IN TERMS OF ALL ORGANIZATIONS.
THAT WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THAT TO GET ON THE BOARD, YOU
GET ON THE BOARD AT A CERTAIN AMOUNT.
TO GET ON THE BOARD, YOU GET ON THE BOARD, 5,000 OR 25,000
DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE DOING.
BECAUSE THE EQUITY BECOMES THE ISSUE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LIST, WHY DID THEY GET $250,000?
AND THEN WHY DO THEY ONLY GET 7,000?
IT BECOMES THIS DISPARITY THAT MAKES ME VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.
BECAUSE WE -- I DON'T WANT TO TEAR AN ORGANIZATION APART,
BUT THEY HAVE BEEN AT THIS HIGH AMOUNT FOR A LONG TIME AND
THEY -- BUT THEN OTHER PEOPLE AREN'T GETTING SERVICED.
THAT PART CONCERNS ME A LOT.
AND THAT'S WHEN IT BECOMES POLITICAL.
ANYWAY, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE REAL POINT.
I JUST CAN'T REMEMBER IT AND I DON'T WANT TO KEEP RUNNING MY
MOUTH.
I'LL STOP.
11:40:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND HURTAK.
11:40:05AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A SYSTEM THAT TELLS
YOU EXACTLY WHAT THEY HAVE DONE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
AT THE END OF THE YEAR, THERE IS A REVIEW.
AM I CORRECT?
11:40:13AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, SIR.

11:40:15AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
DURING THOSE REVIEWS, SOME MAY GO UP AND
SOME MAY GO DOWN DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY HAVE DONE, THAT
SOURCE.
AND I KNOW THAT WILL CONTINUE.
IT'S DIFFICULT TO START ONE.
IT'S DIFFICULT TO STAY ON.
THINGS CHANGE, CLIMATE-WISE, MONETARY-WISE, INTEREST
RATE-WISE.
PEOPLE DO THINGS THAT SOMETIMES THEY CAN'T COMPLETE BECAUSE
THINGS CHANGE AROUND THEM.
DOING THAT IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET ON THE LIST BECAUSE I WOULD
SAY THAT THOSE THAT ARE THERE ARE CREATING A VERY AMOUNT --
LET'S SAY YOU WANT SOMETHING HUNDRED PERCENT, HUNDRED
PERCENT VERY DIFFICULT, BUT IT IS A GOAL THAT WE ALL HAVE TO
GET BETTER EVERY YEAR.
SO THOSE PRIVATE ENTITIES THAT WE DO BUSINESS WITH, I'LL
CALL PRIVATE ENTITIES BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ATTACHED TO THE
GOVERNMENT.
THEY GET MONEY FROM THE GOVERNMENT BUT WE DON'T TELL THEM
HOW TO RUN IT OR HOW TO DO IT.
I BELIEVE IN GENERAL TERMS THEY ARE DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB,
ALL OF THEM COMBINED.
MAYBE SOME THAT CAN'T HIT THE GOAL OF SUSTAINABILITY
THROUGHOUT FIVE OR SIX YEARS, AND THOSE ARE THE ONES MORE
THAN LIKELY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO CUT BACK SOME DEGREE.

I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU AND YOUR STAFF HAS DONE.
IT'S TEDIOUS WORK, NOT EASY.
I LIKE THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE.
IT'S FAIR AND EQUITABLE.
THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY.
11:41:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
11:41:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
TO COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON'S POINT, I THINK A LOT OF THIS, I
THINK WE SHOULD REALLY, WHEN FOLKS COME TO US AS COUNCIL
MEMBERS TO REALLY JUST ENCOURAGE THEM TO APPLY TO THE
APPLICATION AND NOT -- I BELIEVE THAT IS THE FAIREST WAY TO
DO IT IS JUST TO APPLY FOR WHATEVER THEY NEED AND NOT APPLY
NECESSARILY FOR A NUMBER.
THEY HAVE TO NOW SHOW WHAT THEY WILL BE DOING WITH THE
MONEY.
INSTEAD OF $50,000, IT MIGHT BE $48,700 BECAUSE THEY WANT
THESE SPECIFIC THINGS.
WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE THEM NOT TO ROUND BECAUSE WE WANT THEM
TO ASK FOR ACTUALLY WHAT THEY NEED.
I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS.
IF IT'S NOT, IT OUGHT TO BE.
SO I THINK WHAT WE NEED ARE IDEA FOR GOING FORWARD WITH
THIS.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO TAKE WHAT WE ALL SPOKE
ABOUT TODAY AND WORK WITH MS. KOPESKY TO COME UP WITH JUST A

COALITION OR A COALESCENCE OF THAT.
I PERSONALLY WOULD ALSO REALLY LOVE TO SEE THE APPLICATION.
IF YOU COULD E-MAIL US THE APPLICATION SO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF
WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
11:42:55AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, MA'AM.
11:42:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MAYBE COME BACK TO US IN APRIL SO WE CAN
DISCUSS SOME OF THESE CHANGES WE'D LIKE TO SEE.
I DON'T WANT TO GO TOO FAR BECAUSE I KNOW BUDGET SEASON
STARTS SOON, BUT --
11:43:15AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD TIMING.
11:43:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
APRIL WOULD BE GOOD?
11:43:20AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, MA'AM.
11:43:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW -- I WOULD RATHER HAVE
IT BE A WORKSHOP SESSION AGAIN.
APRIL 24, I THINK THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT ALL THESE IDEAS WE
CAME UP WITH, AND THEN WE CAN REALLY START TO SETTLE ON SOME
THINGS GOING FORWARD.
DOES THAT WORK FOR EVERYONE?
11:43:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE ALSO HAVE STEPPING-STONES AND OTHER
ITEMS ON THAT AGENDA.
11:43:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
PERFECT.
THERE YOU GO.
APRIL 24.
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, ALL I ASK IS THAT HE TAKE A LOT OF
THE IDEAS WE HAD, WORK WITH MS. KOPESKY, COALESCE AND COME

BACK TO US AT THE END OF APRIL AT THE WORKSHOP WHERE WE CAN
MAKE MORE FINAL DECISIONS.
IN THE MEANTIME, THEY'LL SEND US THE APPLICATION BECAUSE I'M
CURIOUS WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR.
I WAS SAYING FOR WHAT YOU WERE MENTIONING IT'S VERY TRUE, WE
NEED TO JUST SEND PEOPLE TO THE APPLICATION, NOT TAKE IT ON
OURSELVES.
WE NEED TO SEND IT TO THE APPLICATION AND ENCOURAGE PEOPLE
TO NOT ASK FOR A ROUND NUMBER BUT FOR WHAT THEY ACTUALLY
NEED.
SO LOOKING AT THE APPLICATION AND SEEING IF THERE ARE WAYS
WE CAN MODIFY IT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ASKING FOR EXACTLY WHAT
THEY NEED.
YOU ALL ALREADY HAVE SOME REQUIREMENTS THAT FOLKS HAVE TO --
IT HAS TO ALIGN WITH SOME OF THE VALUES.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ON THE APPLICATION, IF THERE ARE FIVE
THINGS, WHICH ONE DO YOU QUALIFY UNDER AND THAT SORT OF
THING.
I THINK THAT HELPS NARROWS PEOPLE'S FOCUS IF THEY HAVE A
LARGE ORGANIZATION.
IF THE FOCUS IS ON WHATEVER NUMBER THREE IS, THEY CAN SIMPLY
ASK FOR THAT.
MY MOTION IS TO HAVE YOU-ALL COME BACK ON APRIL 24th AT
THE WORKSHOP TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.
11:45:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION.

SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
OPPOSED?
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK AND THEN
HENDERSON?
11:45:11AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
BECAUSE I REMEMBERED.
I'M SO EXCITED.
AND IN THAT DOCUMENTATION, ALSO, OUR APPLICATION ALSO NEEDS
TO PROBABLY HAVE A BLURB ON THERE INDICATING THAT, YOU KNOW,
THEY SHOULD CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR FUNDING IN OTHER WAYS.
I REMEMBERED, YOU-ALL.
EVERY TIME I GO SOMEWHERE AND I SEE THE CITY OF TAMPA LOGO
THAT WE SPONSORED SOMETHING, IS THAT UNDER SOCIAL ACTION?
THAT'S NEVER CLEAR TO ME, EVEN IN SOCIAL SETTINGS, I'VE BEEN
AT PLACES, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT SAYS WE SUPPORTED, LIKE AT THE
TOBA BREAKFAST, THE CITY OF TAMPA LOGO WAS THERE.
WHAT PART OF THE BUDGET IS THAT?
THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT FELL UNDER SOCIAL ACTION WHEN WE SUPPORT
ORGANIZATIONS FROM SPONSORSHIP AND OUR LOGO APPEARS.
11:46:18AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
IT CAN.
GOING FROM MEMORY I THINK THAT TYPICALLY FALLS UNDER IN-KIND
SPECIAL EVENTS CONTRIBUTIONS WHEREIN AGAIN THE TOBA
BREAKFAST IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE.

SPONSORED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA, THAT WOULD COME THROUGH OUR
SPECIAL EVENTS.
11:46:32AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I WON'T BE NOSY AND DIP INTO THAT TODAY.
11:46:38AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
REASONABLE QUESTION.
11:46:40AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS A PART OF SOCIAL
ACTION OR IF IT FELL INTO ANOTHER CATEGORY, BUT I'M SO GLAD
I REMEMBERED.
IN-KIND.
I'LL LOOK FOR THAT ON THE BUDGET AND I'LL HAVE YOU POINT IT
OUT TO ME.
DOES GASPARILLA FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY?
11:46:56AM >> IT DOES.
11:46:57AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SPECIAL EVENTS.
THAT COULD BE IT TOO.
BLACK HISTORY -- CITY OF TAMPA BLACK HISTORY PROGRAM, OUR
LOGO IS ON THAT AND THAT IS A CITY COMMITTEE AND HISPANIC
HERITAGE, THAT IS A CITY COMMITTEE.
AND OUR LOGO, OF COURSE, IS ON THOSE THINGS.
BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT.
11:47:15AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YOU'RE VERY WELCOME.
11:47:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:47:18AM >>LUIS VIERA:
FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I WANT TO BE CLEAR, THE
ORGANIZATIONS I LISTED, I DON'T THINK ANYONE HAS EVER ASKED
ME FROM MONEY FROM SOCIAL ACTION.
ALL OF THEM SAW A NEED.

THE PENGUIN PROJECT, FOR EXAMPLE, I SAW THEM HAVING TO FUND
RAISE LIKE CRAZY SO THAT 40 YOUNG PEOPLE WITH INTELLECTUAL
DISABILITIES AND AUTISM AND DOWN SYNDROME COULD PERFORM IN
PLAYS.
I GO, WHY AREN'T WE HELPING?
ONE THING I WOULD SUGGEST AND I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE IT PART
OF THE MOTION, AGAIN, FROM MY OWN OFFICE TRY TO SEE THAT
NEXT YEAR WE DO HAVE MORE OF A PERCENTAGE FOR PEOPLE WITH
DISABILITIES AS WELL AS VETERANS WHICH IS ONE PERCENT.
THE VETERANS HELPING VETERANS WITH MICHAEL DELL DOES GREAT
WORK.
VETERANS TREATMENT COURT MENTORSHIP THAT THEY DO AMAZING,
AMAZING WORK.
I THINK THE COUNTY GIVES THEM MONEY.
AGAIN, THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.
I WANT TO BE CLEAR, NOBODY CAME TO ME.
I SAW A NEED ON THESE AREAS AND I WAS GLAD TO OFFER HELP
THROUGH TAXPAYERS.
11:48:22AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
IF I COULD JUST POSTSCRIPT THAT, THAT IS
ANOTHER REASON WHY I LIKE, AGAIN, IN DISCUSSION WITH
MS. KOPESKY, THIS CATEGORIZATION ON THE FRONT END.
I WOULD HATE TO GET THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS AND YOU ALL
REALIZE THAT SOME OF YOUR CATEGORIZATION PRIORITIZATIONS,
WHETHER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, DISABILITY, HAVEN'T BEEN MET.
IF WE DO THAT ON THE FRONT END, THAT WAY YOU'RE THINKING

ABOUT IT, I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE A LOT ON YOUR PLATE.
THAT WAY IT WILL BE RIGHT UP FRONT.
THIS CATEGORIZATION PRIORITIZATION -- THOSE ARE SOME WORDS
-- ARE BEING MET.
11:48:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
REMEMBER, OUR RULES SAY 1:00 ON THE
WORKSHOP AND WE HAVE A LOT TO COVER.
WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
OUR FIRST SPEAKER FOR ITEM NUMBER 2 IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT
FOLLOWED BY STEPHANIE POYNOR.
11:49:13AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
11:49:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CARROLL ANN BENNETT, YOU ARE THE FIRST
SPEAKER.
COME ON UP.
11:49:29AM >> CARROLL ANN BENNETT, I PASS.
11:49:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
STEPHANIE POYNOR IS THE SECOND SPEAKER.
11:49:35AM >> HOW WAS I FIRST SPEAKER LAST TIME AND NOW SECOND SPEAKER?
ANYWAY, ONE CONCERN THAT I HAVE, FIRST OF ALL, THE SYSTEM, I
LOOKED AT IT ONLINE AND IT SEEMS PRETTY CUMBERSOME, BUT I'D
LIKE TO KNOW WHO MAKES THE DECISIONS ABOUT WHO GETS THE
MONEY AND WHO DOESN'T.
IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S ANY CONSISTENT FLOW WITH THAT.
THE OTHER THING, JANELLE REACHED OUT TO ME ABOUT THIS, BUT
WE'VE GOT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS WHO DON'T HAVE A HUNDRED
DOLLARS TO OPEN A BANK ACCOUNT.
WE, THANK GOODNESS, WERE HELPED BY THE CITY WITH OUR TREES

THAT BROKE AT THE CIVIC CENTER BECAUSE THE AIR-CONDITIONER
IS GOING OUT TOO.
THOSE TWO THINGS TOGETHER WOULD HAVE BROKEN US OFF.
WE APPLIED FOR A GRANT WITH THE COUNTY.
WE WERE TOLD WE COULD NOT DO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE
GRANTS FROM THE COUNTY.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT FORMAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SEE FORMING NEIGHBORHOOD
ASSOCIATIONS BE ABLE TO SET UP A CHECKING ACCOUNT, GET
MAILERS PUT OUT, WHATEVER IT IS THEY NEED TO DO TO GET
STARTED AND ACTUALLY STOOD UP.
AND SOME OF THE MORE ESTABLISHED ENTITIES.
I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT MINE.
I'M TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THEM HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO GOOD
PROJECTS BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS ALWAYS GOT A LIST OF
SOMETHING THEY WOULD LOVE TO SEE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I JUST -- IT'S FUNNY, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ON THE BUDGET
COMMITTEE FOR THREE, FOUR YEARS NOW, AND IT JUST CLICKED.
I WAS LIKE, THE CITY DOES ZERO FUNDING FOR OUR
NEIGHBORHOODS.
THERE'S NOTHING THERE.
SO I'VE TALKED TO A COUPLE OF YOU ABOUT IT AND I HAVE TALKED
-- I STARTED TALKING TO JANELLE ABOUT IT BUT I THINK IT
NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LITTLE AMOUNTS OF MONEY.

VERY, VERY SMALL AMOUNTS OF MONEY.
I KNOW THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THEY WOULD HAVE GLADLY
TAKEN A HUNDRED DOLLAR GRANT JUST TO GET THEIR BANK ACCOUNT
OPEN.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THESE
CATEGORIES, THAT WE'RE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THAT WE HAVE
VOLUNTEERS THROUGHOUT OUR ENTIRE CITY WHO SPEND THEIR MONEY
TO DO ALL THIS STUFF.
I KNOW CARROLL ANN AND SANDY AND I AND MOST OF THE OTHER
NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS LIKE US, THAT MONEY COMES OUT OF OUR
POCKETS, I MEAN STRAIGHT UP.
THE ONLY MONEY THAN HAS SPENT IN THE LAST THREE AND A HALF
YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN THE PRESIDENT IS PAYING FOR OUR
WEBSITE.
WE PAID FOR ONE MAILING, AND THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE.
I THINK THAT'S IT, AND OUR REGISTRATION FEES.
EVERYTHING ELSE WE PAY FOR OURSELVES.
PLEASE TAKE NEIGHBORHOODS INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE'RE
MAKING THESE -- REVAMPING THIS LIST.
11:52:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ITEM NUMBER 3.
ITEM NUMBER 3 WAS A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
THERE IS A WRITTEN REPORT.
STAFF IS PRESENT HERE.
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, MR. HUDGISON IS HERE.

DO YOU WANT TO KICK OFF THIS DISCUSSION?
11:52:50AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS HAVE COME AND SAID
THAT OLDER TECHNOLOGIES OF TURF POLLUTE THE WATER AND THE
GROUND.
I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE IN THE TURF INDUSTRY WHO SAYS THE
NEWER TECHNOLOGIES DON'T DO THAT.
SOME PEOPLE THINK ARTIFICIAL TURF IS UGLY.
SOME PEOPLE LOVE IT.
IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN REASONABLY DO TO PROTECT THE
ENVIRONMENT AND COMMUNITY WITH UPDATED STANDARDS?
I THINK THE INDUSTRY WOULD, OF COURSE, LIKE THE UPDATED
TECHNOLOGIES BECAUSE THEY COULD GO IN AND PUT NEW TURF DOWN.
SOME OF THE OLDER TECHNOLOGIES I THINK ALLEGEDLY POLLUTE THE
WATER AND THE LAND.
11:53:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. HUDGISON, YOU GAVE A WRITTEN REPORT,
IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD?
IF NOT, I'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
MR. HUDGISON, COME ON UP.
11:53:48AM >>JC HUDGISON:
CONSTRUCTION SERVICES CENTER MANAGER.
JUST ON OUR END, KIND OF BASED OFF OF THE MEMO, ALL
PERMITTED ARTIFICIAL TURF INSTALLATIONS MUST COMPLY WITH
CURRENT STORMWATER TECHNICAL MANUALS, TREE AND LANDSCAPE
MANUALS, CHAPTER 21 OF STORMWATER CODE AND CHAPTER 27 OF THE
TREE AND LANDSCAPE CODE.
THOSE EXISTING CODES THAT ARE IN PLACE SINCE WE STARTED OUR

OFFICIAL PROCESS IN JANUARY 1 OF 2024 THE CITY HAS ISSUED 89
PERMITS FOR ARTIFICIAL TURF INSTALLATIONS.
11:54:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK MY BIGGEST QUESTION IS, WE DID JUST
PUT LEGISLATION IN FOR THIS, NOT THAT LONG AGO.
WE WENT THROUGH THIS WHOLE THING.
I THINK MY QUESTION FOR YOU ALL IS, IS THERE NEW TECHNOLOGY
THAT WE NEED TO PUT -- IS THERE ANYTHING WE NEED TO MODIFY
THE ORDINANCE TO MAKE IT BETTER?
11:54:43AM >>JC HUDGISON:
I CAN'T SPEAK ON THAT SPECIFICALLY.
11:54:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU'LL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:54:47AM >>JC HUDGISON:
THOSE THINGS WOULD HAVE TO COME FROM
STORMWATER TECHNICAL MANUAL, TREE AND LANDSCAPE, BECAUSE
THOSE -- WE ARE ENFORCING WHAT'S IN PLACE.
IDEALLY, IF THERE ARE NEW TECHNOLOGIES THAT NEED TO BE
SUGGESTED THEN THAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS MODIFYING THE
TECHNICAL STANDARDS AND CHAPTER 27 AND CHAPTER 21 TO DO
THAT.
ARE THERE NEW TECHNOLOGIES?
MORE THAN LIKELY.
IDEALLY IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
WHEN IT GETS TO PERMITTING WE'RE ENFORCING WHAT IS CURRENTLY
ON THE BOOKS.
11:55:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'LL ASK MR. BHIDE TO COME UP.
11:55:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. MICHELINI, I DON'T HAVE YOU ON THE
SIGN-IN HERE FOR THIS PUBLIC COMMENT.

JUST SIGN IN SO WE CAN PUT YOU ON THE LIST.
11:55:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MR. BHIDE, IS THERE ANYTHING NEW?
I KNOW WE'RE ABOUT TO REVAMP -- WE'RE DOING QUITE A FEW
AREAS OF STORMWATER.
CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHERE WE ARE WITH ARTIFICIAL TURF AND
STORMWATER AND IF WE ARE DOING ANY -- I KNOW WE'RE DOING A
LOT OF UPDATES.
TELL US WHAT MIGHT COME REGARDING TURF AND STORMWATER?
11:55:51AM >>VIK BHIDE:
SURE.
LET'S START WITH WHERE -- VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY.
SO RIGHT NOW ARTIFICIAL TURF IS NOT ALLOWED ON THE
RIGHT-OF-WAY.
IT IS ALLOWED ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
SO ABOUT A YEAR BACK, WE WORKED WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES
AND OUR STORMWATER ENGINEERING TEAM TO DEVELOP A STANDARD
THAT WE HAD TESTED THROUGH LABS AND ALL THAT COULD OFFER
PERMEABILITY OF ARTIFICIAL TURF.
THAT STANDARD IS SOMEWHAT RIGID AND COSTS MORE TO THE
DEVELOPERS, BUT WE HAD WORKED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT FOLKS AND
OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TEAM AS WELL.
SO THAT STANDARD AND THAT GUIDELINE IS IN PLACE RIGHT NOW
FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY.
11:56:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT NOT FOR RIGHT-OF-WAY.
11:56:41AM >>VIK BHIDE:
NOT FOR RIGHT-OF-WAY.
ON RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND THESE ARE ONGOING DISCUSSIONS, WITH THE

BUILDERS ASSOCIATION, THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP AT LEAST ONCE
WITH THE PBA.
WE HAVE CONCERNS FOR THREE REASONS.
ONE IS THE HEAT ISLAND EFFECT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT COOLING.
THE SECOND IS REALLY THE CHALLENGE IS EVEN IF WE HAD HOLD
HARMLESS AGREEMENTS WITH ABUTTING PRIVATE PROPERTIES FOR
MAINTENANCE AND ALL OF THAT, OVER TIME WHAT HAPPENS IS IT'S
VERY HARD TO ENFORCE THOSE AND HAVING KIND OF DIFFERENT
TYPES OF PRODUCTS OUT THERE.
AND THEN THE THIRD IS WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE CONSIDERATIONS
RELATIVE TO PLASTICS AND THEIR POTENTIAL IMPACT AND JUST
HAVING SOMETHING LIKE ARTIFICIAL TURF OPEN TO THE
ENVIRONMENT AND THE SUN AND POTENTIAL FOR KIND OF WATER
RUNNING OFF OF IT IS A CONCERN AS WELL.
BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED FROM, SAY, THE CITY OF
ST. PETE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE THEY DON'T ALLOW IT, THEY USED
TO IS MY UNDERSTANDING, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO LEARN MORE
BEFORE WE CAN ADOPT ANY CLEAR POSITION ALLOWING IT IN THE
RIGHT-OF-WAY.
11:58:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE IDEA OF
RIGHT-OF-WAY ALLOWANCE BECAUSE, QUITE FRANKLY, THAT'S WHAT
WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD IS WE MAINTAIN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY BUT
THE CITY OR THE UTILITIES CAN COME ANYTIME AND DIG THAT
RIGHT UP.
SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS PLANTED BUSHES AND I WAS LIKE I WANT

YOU TO KNOW YOUR BUSHES MAY NOT BE HERE IF THE CITY OR TECO
NEEDS TO COME IN, YOU'RE OUT OF LUCK.
THEY ARE LIKE, OKAY, WE UNDERSTAND THAT.
OUR BUSHES WILL STAY, BUT IF THEY GET PULLED OUT.
MY CONCERN IS PEOPLE PUT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS INTO FIXING
THIS AND THEN IT JUST GETS RIPPED OUT WHENEVER THEY FEEL
LIKE IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T OWN THAT PART OF LAND.
I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU.
PROBABLY WHAT ST. PETE IS DOING, I DON'T THINK THAT IS A
WISE DECISION FOR US AS A CITY TO -- BECAUSE I THINK WE'LL
HAVE A LOT OF ANGRY PEOPLE.
BUT I DO APPRECIATE THAT AS WE ARE LOOKING AT STORMWATER, WE
HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW -- I MEAN, WE HAVE CROSSED THAT
BRIDGE, SORT OF LIKE THE BILLBOARD BRIDGE WE WERE TALKING
ABOUT EARLIER.
IT'S A MATTER OF HOW WE WORK WITH FOLKS TO PUT THEM IN TO
MAKE SURE THE LEGISLATION WORKS FOR EVERYONE.
SO I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT NEW -- IF THERE IS ANYTHING
NEW, TO BRING IT FORWARD.
11:59:26AM >>VIK BHIDE:
THIS WILL BE A CONSIDERATION IN AN UPDATE TO
THE STORMWATER TECHNICAL MANUAL.
WE'LL BE SPEAKING ABOUT THAT A LITTLE LATER AS PART OF ITEM
6, IT DOES MAINLY PART OF ITEM 7 AS WELL.
11:59:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WONDERFUL.
I THINK THE COMMUNITY WILL LOOK FORWARD TO THAT

CONVERSATION.
I APPRECIATE YOU AND YOUR WORK ON THIS.
11:59:44AM >>VIK BHIDE:
THANK YOU.
11:59:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE PUBLIC COMMENT SPEAKERS ARE STEPHANIE POYNOR, CARROLL
ANN BENNETT, STEPHEN MICHELINI.
11:59:53AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE ITEMS.
MAYBE WE NEED TO MAKE A PLAN OF ACTION --
12:00:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
4 IS GOING TO BE DONE.
12:00:09PM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
THERE WAS A BIG DEBATE LAST WEEK ON ONE OF THE Facebook
GROUPS ABOUT TURF.
OH, WE LOVE TURF AND HATE TURF AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
WHAT I FOUND INTERESTING IS EVERYBODY WANTED TO LOOK IT UP
AND COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT TURF.
ALL THE FIRST TWO, THREE, FIVE PAGES OF GOOGLE SEARCHES ARE
ONLY GOING TO BRING UP COMPANIES THAT WANT TO SELL YOU TURF.
KEEP THAT IN MIND.
I DID FIND A VERY INTERESTING MEMORANDUM FROM THE STATE OF
NEW JERSEY THAT SAYS IN THERE ON THE SECOND PAGE AND I'LL
FORWARD THE WHOLE DOCUMENT TO YOU.
IT SAYS YOU SHOULD NOT USE TURF WITHIN THE HUNDRED-YEAR
FLOODPLAIN BECAUSE IT IS BAD.
LIKE, THE STATE OF NEW YORK DOES NOT ALLOW TURF WITHIN THE

HUNDRED-YEAR FLOODPLAIN.
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, THERE'S PROBABLY A GOOD BASIS FOR THAT
IN THIS TECHNICAL ADDENDUM.
I DON'T THINK -- I HATE GRASS.
YOU ALL KNOW I HATE GRASS BECAUSE GRASS IS STUPID.
WE PUT CHEMICALS ON IT.
LESSER OF TWO EVILS.
WEEDS ARE GREAT FOR MY YARD AND MOST OF MY NEIGHBORS' YARDS.
I'M KIND OF FLABBERGASTED THAT NOBODY IS HERE BECAUSE I
POSTED THIS WOULD BE THIS WEEK AND NOBODY BOTHERED TO SHOW
UP AND PROBABLY DIDN'T BOTHER TO WRITE A LETTER.
THEY JUST WOULDN'T WHINE ABOUT IT ON Facebook.
I WANTED TO SEND YOU THE DOCUMENT AND SAY IT WAS VERY
INTERESTING THAT IT SAYS NOT BE USED IN THE FLOODPLAIN AND I
THINK WE SHOULD NOT PUT IT IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
IT'S NOT PERMEABLE ENOUGH.
IT REQUIRES ANNUAL MAINTENANCE FOR IT TO STAY WORKING THE
WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO.
THANK YOU.
12:01:53PM >> CARROLL ANN BENNETT, I PASS.
12:01:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. STEVE MICHELINI.
12:01:58PM >> THE TBBA.
STEVE MICHELINI.
WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THE CITY IN DEVELOPING THE STANDARD.
THERE WEREN'T STANDARDS.

AND THERE ARE NEW PRODUCTS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER WAS TALKING ABOUT
WHEN THEY SAID IT IS NOT ALLOWED BECAUSE OF THIS AND THAT.
THE PRODUCTS BEING PROPOSED IN THE CITY HAVE CROSS SECTIONS
THAT SHOW PERMEABILITY EQUAL TO OR BETTER THAN GRASS.
IT ALSO SHOWS THERE'S NO HEAT GAIN BECAUSE THE TYPE OF
PRODUCT BEING PRODUCED NOW IS A NEW AND IMPROVED PRODUCT
THAT ACKNOWLEDGES THE FACT THAT THE OLDER PRODUCTS DID HAVE
HEAT GAIN.
THEY ALSO WERE INSTALLED WITH VISQUEEN UNDERNEATH THEM WHICH
IS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE AND THAT WOULD STOP THE
PERCOLATION.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CASES THROUGHOUT THE CITY WHERE TURF
HAS BEEN INSTALLED IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
IT DOES NOT REQUIRE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM, BUT IT DOES PERCOLATE AND
IT IS ANCHORED DOWN SO IT DOESN'T DRIFT OFF AND CREATE SOME
KIND OF A DRAINAGE HAZARD SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS.
WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH MOBILITY AS WELL AS WITH THE
CITY OF TAMPA AND THE BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION DIVISION TO
COME UP WITH SOME ADDITIONAL AND BETTER IDEAS ON HOW TO DEAL
WITH IT.
THE FIRST ROUND TOOK US A LITTLE OVER A YEAR TO REACH AN
AGREEMENT ON AND TRY TO WORK WITH IT.

SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT STILL REMAIN ARE HOW YOU COUNT IT
AND HOW CLOSE IT CAN COME TO A TREE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
ASPHALT IN SOME CASES IS ALLOWED TO COME CLOSER TO A TREE
THAN ARTIFICIAL TURF OR HAS BEEN ANYWAY.
WE'RE WORKING ON IT.
IT IS A WORK IN PROGRESS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:03:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THAT CONCLUDES ITEM NUMBER 3, UNLESS THERE ARE MOTIONS.
IF NOT, ITEM 4.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK MOTION, KICK IT OFF.
12:03:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MR. CAMPBELL IS HERE.
BASICALLY I'LL LET MR. CAMPBELL SPEAK TO IT.
BUT THEY HAVE FOUND -- OR THEY FOUND A CONSULTING FIRM SO
THEY WILL BE STARTING, I BELIEVE YOU ARE BRINGING THE
CONTRACT TO US IT SAID THE 9th.
UNFORTUNATELY THE 9th IS A SUNDAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU MEANT THE 6th --
12:04:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'M COMING IN.
12:04:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M NOT.
[ LAUGHTER ]
I THINK YOU MEANT THE 6th.
IF NOT, THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO UPDATE US ON.
IS IT THE 6th?
12:04:29PM >> BRANDON CAMPBELL, MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.

I DID WANT TO ALSO ADDRESS THAT.
WE ARE ANTICIPATING IT COMING ON THE 20th.
INITIALLY I THINK WE WERE ANTICIPATING THE 6th.
BUT AT THIS POINT, WE'RE EXPECTING IT ON THE 20th.
12:04:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WONDERFUL.
I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THE TIME BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO GET
TO 1:00.
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS AND WE'LL TALK
ABOUT IT ON THE 20th.
12:04:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.
IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SPEAK, JUST SAY PASS.
CARROLL ANN BENNETT IS FIRST, STEPHANIE POYNOR IS SECOND.
YES, MA'AM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:05:03PM >> MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
I WANT TO TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE FEES FOR SIDEWALKS.
SLOW ROLL DOESN'T EVEN BEGIN TO ADDRESS IT.
I JUST GOOGLED MY CALENDAR, OCTOBER 2018, AUGUST 2019,
DECEMBER 2020, FEBRUARY '21, APRIL '21.
OCTOBER '21.
SATURDAY, 22 -- I MEAN, I CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO TELL YOU HOW
LONG AND HOW HARD I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE SIDEWALK ISSUE
AND THE FEES.
THIS IS NOT A SLOW ROLL.

THIS IS A SNAIL WHO'S GOT BROKEN LEGS AND NO ONE WILL GIVE
IT CRUTCHES.
MY BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH IT IS THERE NEEDS TO BE A TEXT
AMENDMENT NOW.
WE CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS PERSON TO DO THE REPORT.
WE CAN'T WAIT FOR THE LDC REWRITE.
WE NEED TO DO IT NOW.
THE CODE SAYS IT SHOULD BE THE AVERAGE COST OF THE CITY TO
DO INFILL SIDEWALK.
THEN IT HAS TO BE CITY COUNCIL HAS TO ACTUALLY SET AN
AMOUNT.
JUST STRIKE THOSE LAST WORDS ABOUT CITY COUNCIL, ON AN
ANNUAL BASIS, MOBILITY SAYS WHAT THE AVERAGE COST IS AND ON
AN ANNUAL BASIS, IT'S SUGGESTED.
I WAS IN A MEETING RECENTLY WITH BUILDERS AND THEY ARE LIKE,
WELL, THE AMOUNT THE CITY PAYS IS HIGHER THAN WHAT IT COSTS
US.
IF IT'S CHEAPER TO PUT IN A SIDEWALK, PUT IN A SIDEWALK.
YOU GET TO CHOOSE TO DO THAT.
THE REASON IT COSTS THE CITY MORE MONEY IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE
TO HAVE A SURVEY.
THEY HAVE TO GRADE THE LAND.
THEY HAVE TO DO ALL THESE EXTRA THINGS.
THEY ALSO END UP WITH THE MOST CHALLENGING PROJECTS.
MR. BHIDE CAN SPEAK TO THAT BETTER THAN ME.

MY BIGGEST CONCERN ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE FUND IS ONLY $29
A LINEAR FOOT, WHICH IS AT LEAST A HUNDRED DOLLARS TOO
LITTLE IS THAT IT GIVES AN INCENTIVE TO BUILDERS TO
MANUFACTURE BARRIERS.
YOU SEE THIS RIGHT HERE.
THEY PAID INTO THE FUND.
DO YOU SEE A BARRIER?
NO, YOU DON'T.
THIS IS THE BARRIER THEY SAID THEY HAD.
THIS POLE IS THE BARRIER.
THIS IS THE PROPERTY LINE.
THE BARRIER WASN'T EVEN ON THE PROPERTY.
IN ADDITION, THIS AREA RIGHT HERE IS BIG ENOUGH FOR A
FOUR-FOOT SIDEWALK.
IT JUST GOES OVER A DITCH.
THE CITY COULD HAVE EASILY CONNECTED THAT IF THEY HAD DONE
IT TO HERE, THE LITTLE BIT THE CITY HAD TO DO WAS LITTLE.
BUT, OH, LOOK, THERE IS A BARRIER.
HERE IS A HOUSE, LOOK AT THIS BARRIER.
THIS TREE THAT IS 25 FEET FROM THE STREET AND IS ON THE
PROPERTY LINE, THEY HAVE A HUNDRED FOOT FRONTAGE.
$29 FOR A HUNDRED FEET BECAUSE OF THIS TREE WHICH IS NOT A
BARRIER.
HERE IS A HOUSE THEY ADMITTED DOESN'T HAVE A BARRIER, I HAVE
A PICTURE OF THE OTHER SIDE TOO.

DOESN'T HAVE A BARRIER BUT SOMEHOW THEY CRUDE UP AND LET
THEM PAY THE FEE.
YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE'S NO BARRIER AND SHOULD HAVE MADE THEM
PUT IN A SIDEWALK INSTEAD OF PAYING THE FEE.
IT COST THE CITY AT LEAST A HUNDRED DOLLARS MORE PER FOOT.
CHANGE IT NOW.
12:08:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
STEPHANIE POYNOR IS THE NEXT SPEAKER.
12:08:13PM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
I'M CONFUSED.
SO I'VE HAD THIS DOCUMENT SINCE AUGUST OF '23 MAYBE.
AND IT TELLS ABOUT THE MOBILITY FEE FRAMEWORK AND HOW MUCH
MONEY THE CITY IS LOSING EVERY TIME THEY BUILD A HOUSE, SO
WE'RE CHARGING $1700.
IT COSTS THE CITY -- ADJUSTED TO INFLATION, THAT MEANS WE
SHOULD BE CHARGING 4400.
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY -- I SENT YOU GUYS THIS DOCUMENT A LONG
TIME AGO.
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY CHARGES $9100.
WE'RE GETTING 1200.
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS GETTING 9100.
GO FIGURE.
THIS IS FOR A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.
OUT IN THE WOODS, OUT IN THE WOODS OF THE COUNTY, $13,000.
SO IF YOU LOOK -- I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE WE'RE SITTING HERE

TALKING TODAY AND HONESTLY, I THOUGHT THIS AGENDA ITEM WE
WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
TODAY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PAYING SOMEBODY TO DO THIS.
SOMEBODY, PLEASE HELP ME WITH THIS.
I DIDN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT MOBILITY.
ARE THEY GOING TO TALK ABOUT SIDEWALKS?
BECAUSE IF THEY ARE, I THANK GOD I HAD THIS IN MY BACKPACK,
YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS
LOST $1.97 MILLION BECAUSE OF THE SIDEWALK SCAM.
WE ARE CHARGING $29 LINEAR FOOT.
THE LAST I HEARD WAS ABOUT 122 DOLLARS AND SOME ODD CENTS.
I DIDN'T LOOK AT THIS.
DIDN'T THINK TO LOOK AT IT UNTIL CARROLL ANN STARTED TALKING
ABOUT SIDEWALKS.
I'M JUST CONFUSED.
SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO HELP A SISTER OUT.
BECAUSE I'VE HAD THIS DOCUMENT FOR AT LEAST A YEAR, MAYBE
MORE.
I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN I -- I WAS TRYING TO LOOK AND I GOT
SIDETRACKED.
BOTTOM LINE IS, WHERE IS THE REST OF THIS STUDY?
WHY DO WE NEED TO KEEP PAYING PEOPLE LOTS OF MONEY IF WE'VE
ALREADY GOT THIS INFORMATION?
I'M SO CONFUSED.

SOMEBODY HELP ME OUT.
I'M ON THE BUDGET COMMITTEE.
HAD THIS A LONG TIME.
I GAVE THIS TO THE BUDGET COMMITTEE AND YOU GUYS A LONG TIME
AGO.
WHY TALKING ABOUT SPENDING MORE MONEY NOW?
SLOW ROLL, THAT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE THOUGHT THEY WOULD GET ALL
FOR TRANSPORTATION.
THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO LET THE
DEVELOPERS OUT OF PAYING THIS, WHICH GOES BACK TO THE
BUCKHORN ADMINISTRATION'S FULL-FLEDGED SUPPORT TO NOT
RAISING IMPACT FEES WHATSOEVER.
YOU KNOW WHAT?
THAT'S COME OUT OF STAFF'S MOUTH MULTIPLE TIMES IN THE
BUDGET COMMITTEE MEETINGS.
THAT BOB BUCKHORN SAID WE WILL NOT RAISE THESE FEES.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE MAYOR SAID IT OR NOT, BUT I KNOW
THAT BUCKHORN SAID IT.
WHY DO WE NOT CHARGE THE PEOPLE COMING IN AND BUILDING THIS
STUFF, THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE MONEY, WHY ARE THE CITIZENS
OF TAMPA, BECAUSE WE DON'T EVEN KNOW -- WE KNOW WHAT THIS
SHOULD COST, AT LEAST 4400, AND WHO IS PAYING THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN THE 72 AND 44 HUNDRED?
I AM.
YOU ARE.

YOU ARE.
YOU ARE.
YOU ARE.
EVERYBODY ELSE IN HERE IS PAYING IT.
WHY AREN'T THE DEVELOPERS PAYING IT?
12:11:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:11:22PM >> THANK YOU.
12:11:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ITEM NUMBER 6.
MR. BHIDE.
THIS IS A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON REGARDING FINDING
SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS THAT WOULD IMMEDIATELY PREVENT RAINFALL
IN THE FLOODED AREAS.
I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT.
THAT WAS A BIG TOPIC OF DISCUSSION.
I PUT MYSELF AT GREAT POLITICAL RISK IN 2016 TO VOTE FOR THE
STORMWATER ASSESSMENT BECAUSE I WANTED TO DO THE RIGHT
THING.
BECAUSE GROWING UP HERE, I SAW WHERE IT FLOODED REPEATEDLY
THROUGHOUT MY LIFETIME.
I WOULD ALWAYS TO MYSELF OR TO MY PARENTS, I WISH SOMEBODY
WOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
WE TOOK THAT VOTE.
IT WAS A VERY CONTENTIOUS HEARING.
BROUGHT THIS UP MANY, MANY TIMES.
I'M GIVING YOU THE TOOLS AND FUNDING BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN

COLLECTING THE MONEY FOR YEARS.
WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED WITH MILTON AND HELENE AND THE AMOUNT
OF PROPERTIES THAT WERE DAMAGED, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING
QUICK.
IT'S NOT JUST SOUTH HOWARD DISCUSSING THE PATH OF WHERE IT
NEEDS TO GO.
WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT E-MAIL US AND SEND US PICTURES AND
BROUGHT US PICTURES TODAY, BECAUSE OF CONSTRUCTION, BECAUSE
OF POOR MAINTENANCE, THINGS ARE FLOODING.
I SEE THIS MYSELF.
THE LACK OF MAINTENANCE AND OVERGROWTH, I THINK IT'S
NEGLIGENCE ON OUR PART AND WE CAN PREVENT A LOT.
PERHAPS WE CAN'T BEAT THAT 100-YEAR STORM BECAUSE MOTHER
NATURE IS MOTHER NATURE BUT IN BASIC SIMPLE RAINFALLS, WE
HAVE TO DO BETTER.
JUST LIKE HOW I MAINTAIN MY CAR AND CHANGE THE OIL AND
ROTATE THE TIRES, WE HAVE TO CLEAN THE DITCHES AND DO ALL
THESE THINGS.
AGAIN, THE MONEY IS THERE.
12:13:09PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE HAD SOME FOLKS IN PUBLIC COMMENT THIS
MORNING, AT LEAST ONE HERE THIS AFTERNOON.
SPOKEN TO SEVERAL EXTERNAL EXPERTS.
THERE ARE LOTS OF DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS WE COULD PUT FORWARD.
WE KNOW THAT WHEN THE BUCKHORN TAX WAS PASSED IN 2016 OR
2015, WHATEVER THAT WAS, THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO FUND A PLAN TO

FIX EVERYTHING.
OBVIOUSLY, IT DIDN'T WORK WHATEVER THE PLAN WAS BACK THEN.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE PLAN UPDATE IN MAY NOW INSTEAD OF
TODAY, BUT WE WERE ALSO TOLD -- I WAS JUST A CITIZEN BACK
THEN -- WE WERE TOLD, SOMEWHERE AROUND 2 AND A HALF MILLION
DOLLARS WAS SPENT WITH THE NEW TAX ON MAINTENANCE AND
UPKEEP, BUT WE'VE SEEN MANY, MANY EXAMPLES FROM MANY
NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE CULVERTS ARE COMPLETELY INUNDATED, WHERE
THERE ARE CRACKS, DITCHES HAVE NOT BEEN DUG OUT, OTHER
THINGS.
I TOOK AROUND AN EXPERT TO PALMA CEIA PINES RECENTLY.
IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THERE'S MAINTENANCE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE
THERE.
I ALSO TALKED TO MANY EXPERTS WHO CONFIRMED THE HOWARD
AVENUE PROJECT IS A BAD IDEA, WASTE OF MONEY AND NEED TO
STOP IT.
AT THE VERY LEAST I THINK WE'LL STOP IT BY THE TIME THE
DESIGN COMES BACK.
WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS WORK ON REAL SOLUTIONS THAT WILL HELP
PEOPLE IN ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THE FOLKS IN PARKLAND AND
PALMA CEIA PINES DESERVE REAL SOLUTIONS THAT WILL PREVENT
THE FLOODING, INCLUDING THE MAJOR STORMS.
I'VE HAD LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. BHIDE, AS I'M SURE
YOU ALL HAVE.
THIS WILL BE THE START OF THE DISCUSSION TODAY, BUT THEN WE

HAVE THE BIGGER MOTIONS NOW MOVED TO MAY 22 AND HAVING A
BIGGER DISCUSSION THEN.
THANK YOU.
12:14:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK AND MIRANDA.
12:14:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I KNOW YOU'LL REPORT ON SEVERAL THINGS.
MY ONLY QUESTION TO YOU TODAY IS HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU NEED
TO CONTRACT FOLKS TO CLEAN THE DITCHES AND DO ALL THAT WORK?
I KNOW WE'LL NEED ADDITIONAL PEOPLE.
ALL I WANT TO KNOW TODAY WHEN YOU SPEAK IS FOR YOU TO TALK
ABOUT WHAT MONEY WE NEED TO ALLOCATE BECAUSE WE WILL DO SO
OR AT LEAST I WILL.
12:15:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND COUNCILMAN VIERA.
12:15:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THIS IS NOT JUST A ONE ITEM TO FIX ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WAY.
IT TAKES MANY THINGS TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM, INCLUDING THE WAY
WE BUILD HOUSES.
WE BUILD HOUSES AND WHEN THEY FLOOD, YOU ARE JUST ABOUT
READY TO TEAR THEM DOWN.
ISLANDS LIKE PUERTO RICO, LIKE ANYONE IN THE CARIBBEAN, LIKE
THE ISLAND OF CUBA, DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM.
WHEN YOU GET INTO THE MAIN CITY, YOU HAVE CONCRETE, REBAR
WIRE GOING DOWN, ALL THROUGH THE WHOLE SYSTEM OF THE FLOOR,
WALLS, REBAR TIED INTO THE ROOF 8 INCHES WIDE, REBAR ALL
ACROSS AND A SECTION THAT WILL NOT COME OFF.
WE HAVE HOUSES WITH EAVES THAT ARE 18 TO 24 INCHES HIGH.

WHEN THEY ARE NOT PROPERLY MADE -- I'M NOT BLAMING ANYONE --
THE WIND PICKS UP THE ROOF.
THE WALLS COLLAPSE.
NOW YOU HAVE PROBLEMS FROM UP TOP AND ON THE BOTTOM.
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A HOUSE FLOODS IN THIS AREA?
YOU HAVE WHAT?
DRYWALL.
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN DRYWALL GETS WET?
OVER A CERTAIN HEIGHT YOU HAVE TO TEAR THE WHOLE THING DOWN
AND BRING NEW DRYWALL.
THOSE ISLANDS I MENTIONED, YOU WAIT UNTIL IT DRIES AND PAINT
OVER.
BECAUSE IT'S ALL CONCRETE AND LOOK JUST AS GOOD AS THIS IF
NOT NICER.
NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE A PROBLEM IN THE WAY WE'RE DOING
FLOODING AREAS, THE PROBLEM IS EXACERBATED BY WHAT WE'RE
BUILDING.
WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO BUILD HOUSES THAT FLOOD.
I DON'T CARE IF IT IS TWO OR THREE INCHES AND THE WATER
COMES IN.
IT'S GOT TO BE A HOUSE OR A UNIT THAT WILL MAINTAIN THE WIND
FROM KNOCKING DOWN THE EAVES BECAUSE THERE ARE NO EAVES,
FROM LETTING THE WATER RISE AND NO FLOODING BECAUSE YOU JUST
PAINT IT.
AND THEY ARE PREPARED.

THEY LIFT UP ALL THE FURNITURE.
THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
WE DON'T DO THAT.
WE'RE IN ESSENCE ENHANCING THE PROBLEMS WE ALREADY HAVE FROM
A NO-NAME STORM, STORM, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SOONER OR LATER, IF THE STORM HAD GONE JUST TEN MILES
INSTEAD OF GOING 20 MILES SOUTH, JUST 10 MILES THIS WAY, IT
WOULD HAVE BEEN EVEN WORSE THAN WHAT WE GOT BECAUSE THEN THE
WIND WOULD BE COMING BRINGING IN THE TIDE INSTEAD OF TAKING
OUT THE TIDE HOW IT DID.
THESE ARE THE THINGS WE HAVE TO BE THANKFUL FOR.
SOMETHING WRONG, OLD SAYING IN SPANISH -- WHICH MEANS IN
ENGLISH, IF SOMETHING IS WRONG, MAYBE SOME GOOD WILL COME
OUT OF IT.
MAYBE THIS IS A GOOD THING THAT WE LEARN A LESSON AND WILL
NOT CONTINUE TO DO REPETITIOUS LIKE WE DO EVERYTHING ELSE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
12:17:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
12:17:50PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY, MR. BHIDE.
FOR ME, THIS IS -- AND I THINK FOR ALL OF US, THIS IS THE
BIGGEST ISSUE IN TAMPA RIGHT NOW.
IT IS IN TERMS OF FINDING OUT WHAT HAPPENED IN 2024 DURING
THE SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER, ESPECIALLY TOWARDS OCTOBER IN A
LOT OF THE ZONE X AREAS, AND MAKING SURE THAT THINGS LIKE

THIS NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN IN TAMPA, TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN
PREVENT IT.
A LOT OF THINGS CAN'T BE PREVENTED.
CERTAIN THINGS CAN.
THERE ARE MANY, MANY LAYERS ON THIS.
BUT WHEN IT COMES TO JUST THE BASICS OF STORMWATER, TO ME
THAT'S LIKE JUST GOVERNMENT 101.
WE DEAL WITH PUBLIC SAFETY.
WE DEAL WITH PARKS.
DEAL WITH ROADS.
DEAL WITH STORMWATER.
IF WE CAN'T DO THAT, THEN WE'RE NOT HAVING A FUNCTIONAL,
MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT.
IT'S LIKE HAVING A PIZZA HUT AND CAN'T MAKE A PIZZA.
IT IS THE ABCs OF WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
FOR ME, THERE ARE A LOT OF LAYERS ON THIS.
THE REVIEW THAT THE COUNTY COMMISSION BEGAN THAT'S GOING TO
TAKE A LOOK AT ALL OF THE COUNTY I THINK IS SO VERY
IMPORTANT.
I CALLED FOR THAT I GUESS PROBABLY TWO DAYS AFTER MILTON AND
STARTED WORKING WITH THE COUNTY BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT HAD TO
BE COUNTYWIDE.
WATER DOESN'T STOP AT THE CITY'S EDGE, OBVIOUSLY.
WE HAD PLANT CITY, A LOT OF ZONE X THAT WAS AFFECTED THERE.
GOOD FRIENDS IN TOWN N' COUNTRY, OF COURSE, PARTS OF SOUTH

TAMPA, A LOT OF NORTH TAMPA, ET CETERA.
AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A HOLISTIC COUNTYWIDE
VIEW.
BUT THE BIG PART THAT IS ON FOR TODAY, I THINK, AND THAT WE
NEED TO TALK ABOUT, A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE WHY IT
HAPPENED, BUT PART OF IT TOO IS WHAT I WOULD CALL A MASTER
PLAN, A UNIFIED, BIG STRUCTURAL VIEW ON WHAT WE HAVE TO DO
TO PROTECT OURSELVES IN THE FUTURE AND HOW MUCH THAT WILL
COST.
I MET MANY, MANY TIMES WITH THE COUNTY AND WITH COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS ON THIS STATING THAT PART OF THAT REVIEW HAS
GOT TO INCLUDE FUTURE INVESTMENTS IN STORMWATER THAT WE CAN
MAKE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A VERY FRANK TALK WITH CONSTITUENTS
ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THESE THINGS, RIGHT?
AND WE NEED TO HAVE, LIKE I SAID, REALISTIC SOLUTIONS ON
THAT.
PART OF ITS GOT TO BE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
PART OF THE REVIEW WILL INCLUDE NUMEROUS COMMUNITY MEETINGS
IN AFFECTED AREAS, INCLUDING, AND I SUGGESTED THIS YESTERDAY
AND I THINK IT WILL BE PART OF THAT, COMMUNITY MEETINGS
AFTER THE REPORT COMES OUT BECAUSE THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO SPEAK
TO THE INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR AFTER THE REPORT COMES OUT TO
HAVE QUESTIONS, ACCOUNTABILITY, ET CETERA.
I THINK THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
AND THEN THE ISSUE OF, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS LATER ON IN

COUNCIL, BUT MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE STAY IN THEIR HOMES
AFTER THIS, THAT WE KEEP PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES AFTER THIS.
YOU TALK TO ANYBODY WHO HAS BEEN FLOODED AND DOESN'T HAVE
FLOOD INSURANCE, FEMA IS NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU WHAT YOU WANT
OR WHAT YOU NEED.
NOTHING AGAINST FEMA.
THEY DO GREAT WORK, RIGHT, BUT WE NEED OTHER ASSISTANCE FOR
THIS.
I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BE I BELIEVE TALKING ABOUT THAT
POTENTIALLY ON FEBRUARY 6.
SO, AGAIN, I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR PRESENTATION AND
SPEAKING ON THIS.
SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS ARE IMPORTANT.
NEXT WEEK WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE PUMPS AND PUMP
GENERATORS AND MAKING SURE THAT IS FUNDED THROUGHOUT ALL OF
THE CITY OF TAMPA ONE WAY OR ANOTHER FOR THIS STORM SEASON,
SOMETHING THAT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO MY DIRECT
CONSTITUENTS.
12:21:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. BHIDE, BEFORE YOU BEGIN, IT'S
IMPORTANT TO SET GOALS.
WE HAD THAT 90 DAY CLEANUP TO GET FEMA REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE
DEBRIS PICKUP, WE PICKED UP ALMOST EVERYTHING.
WE NEED TO SET THE GOAL OF A REASONABLE TIMELINE BEFORE
HURRICANE SEASON BEGINS TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO AGGRESSIVELY
ATTACK THE MAINTENANCE AND CLEANING OF THESE DITCHES AND

DRAINS AND PIPES AND MAKE SURE THAT ON OUR END, EVERYTHING
IS PASSIBLE, THE WATER CAN FLOW, THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE
CAUGHT IN A SIMPLE AFTERNOON JULY RAIN AND IT'S GOING TO
HAVE BACKING UP AND FLOODING.
I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.
GASPARILLA IS OVER.
THE WINTER SEASON IS OVER.
IT'S STILL THE DRY SEASON AND THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO
START NOW AND SAY, HEY, IN THE NEXT 90 DAYS, 60 DAYS,
WHATEVER IT IS, AGGRESSIVELY ATTACK MAINTENANCE.
WHEN WE WANT TO BUILD PARKS, WE BUILD THEM WITHIN THOSE
TIMELINES, WHETHER JULIAN LANE OR ANOTHER PARK, WHEN THERE
ARE PRIORITIES IN PLACE AND GOALS ARE PUT DOWN, THESE THINGS
CAN GET ACHIEVED.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE IN A CRISIS WITH.
PEOPLE ARE SCARED BEFORE THE RAINY SEASON BEGINS.
I'M TERRIFIED OF WHAT COULD COME.
I HOPE FOR A QUIET SEASON BUT IN THE MEANTIME WE NEED TO
START MOVING AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
TAKE IT AWAY.
12:22:38PM >>VIK BHIDE:
THANK YOU, CHAIR.
VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
AFTERNOON TO YOU ALL.
SO WHILE THE MOTION IS ABOUT THE SHORT-TERM IMPROVEMENTS AND
WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT, I THINK THERE WERE TWO POINTS MADE

THAT I'D QUICKLY LIKE TO ADDRESS.
ONE WAS THE 2016 SUPPORT FOR THE IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT,
WHICH THANK YOU, CHAIR, FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR IT.
THAT WAS FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
AND A MAJORITY OF THOSE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN DONE.
THEY WERE EFFECTIVE WHERE THEY WERE DONE.
WE'RE WRAPPING UP THAT PROGRAM WITH THE LAST FEW PROJECTS,
WHICH IS WHY TO COUNCILMAN VIERA'S POINT AND THAT'S ALSO
PART OF ITEM 7 THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAD PREVIOUSLY HAD
AND THANK YOU FOR ACCOMMODATING THE SCHEDULE AROUND THAT,
ABOUT STORMWATER MASTER PLANNING.
SEPTEMBER 19 OF LAST YEAR, THIS BODY, COUNCIL, DID VOTE FOR
A $5 MILLION WATERSHED MASTER PLAN.
THAT IS THE TECHNICAL TERM.
I AM JOINED BY OUR STORMWATER MANAGER AS WELL AS OUR
STORMWATER OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE MANAGER, BRIAN ROGER,
AND OUR CHIEF ENGINEER, IF THERE ARE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
BUT BROADLY THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN, THE WORK ON THAT
WILL BEGIN EARLY FEBRUARY.
WHAT THAT DOES IS EXACTLY WHAT COUNCILMAN VIERA MENTIONED.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE BASIN WITHIN THE CITY OF
TAMPA, MODEL IT TO TODAY'S DATA AND STANDARDS TO UNDERSTAND
AND DEVELOP A LIST OF CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE NEEDED AND
ATTRIBUTE COSTS OR ESTIMATES TO THAT.
THAT ALSO HELPS UPDATE OUR STORMWATER TECHNICAL MANUAL AND

STANDARDS IN LIGHT OF THIS NEW DATA.
AND IT ALSO LOOKS AT OTHER THINGS LIKE SEA LEVEL RISE AND
LIKE BEST PRACTICES, BOTH ON THE CAPITAL AND MAINTENANCE
SIDE.
SO INCLUDING EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.
THAT PROCESS IS FUNDED.
IT IS UNDERWAY.
WE HAVE ABOUT SEVEN CONSULTANTS WORKING ON IT BECAUSE WE
WANTED TO GET IT DONE FAST.
SO DIFFERENT CONSULTANTS ARE WORKING ON DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF
THE MODELING ACROSS THE BASINS.
ONE CONSULTANT, WHICH IS APPLIED SCIENCES, IS RESPONSIBLE
FOR COORDINATING THIS WORK AND HARMONIZING IT.
SO THAT IN ESSENCE ALL THE MODELS SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE
AND WE HAVE A UNIFIED PLAN.
THIS IS A BEST PRACTICE, AND WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN
INFORMED BY FEMA'S CONSULTANT, ISO THAT DOES THE AUDITS AND
ALL FOR THEM.
OUR AUDIT IS EVERY THREE YEARS, THAT IF WE DO THIS OUR
COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM WILL IMPROVE FROM CURRENTLY FIVE,
WHICH I THINK HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, ST. PETE ARE AT FIVE AS
WELL, TO A THREE.
IN OUR REGION, PINELLAS IS AT A TWO, WHICH IS KIND OF THE
GOLD STANDARD PARTLY BECAUSE OF THEIR POLICIES, PARTLY
BECAUSE OF A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN.

THIS ALSO GIVES DIRECTLY BACK TO THE COMMUNITY WITH BETTER
FLOOD INSURANCE RATES.
SO THERE IS A DISCOUNT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
THAT IS HAPPENING.
THAT IS IN PROCESS AND THAT IS THE STATE OF THE PRACTICE AS
WE KNOW IT AND IT WILL INCORPORATE THE LATEST DATA AND TELL
US WHAT TO DO.
WHAT RESOURCES WE NEED.
I SUSPECT THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY HIGH NUMBER, AS YOU
HEARD WHEN THE COUNTY PRESENTED AS WELL, JUST ON THE ONE
PROJECT, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT HALF A BILLION DOLLARS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CITYWIDE NEEDS.
I'LL GET THOSE LONG-TERM THINGS OUT OF THE WAY FIRST AND
I'LL DELVE DIRECTLY INTO THE MAINTENANCE QUESTION.
THE VERY VALID CONCERNS EXPRESSED BY THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE
DEGREE OF MAINTENANCE, THE LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE THAT WE'RE
DOING.
WE HAVE A MAINTENANCE ASSESSMENT AS WELL.
IT'S CALLED SERVICE ASSESSMENT.
AND THAT IS WHAT FUNDS OUR OPERATION -- STORMWATER
OPERATIONS TEAM.
THIS DID NOT EXIST BEFORE 2005 WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE CAPITAL
OR OPERATING DOLLARS AT THE TIME.
WE'RE ALSO IN A DIFFERENT SITUATION BACK THEN.
SO TODAY, THAT MAINTENANCE ASSESSMENT FUNDS 62 POSITIONS IN

STORMWATER OPERATIONS, WHICH IS PART OF THE STORMWATER
OPERATIONS TEAM.
THESE ARE THE FOLKS THAT OPERATE EQUIPMENT THAT ARE NOT
FUNDED BY THE ASSESSMENT.
THOSE ARE FUNDED BY THE GENERAL FUND.
AND THAT'S WHERE WHEN YOU MENTION WHAT IS THE NUMBER THAT WE
NEED, WE'LL GET TO IT, IT IS A MORE NUANCED ANSWER, THOUGH.
SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF PUTTING THAT TOGETHER.
WE'RE REALLY MORE FOCUSED ON THOSE SHORT-TERM IMPROVEMENTS,
AND I'LL GET TO THAT.
BUT THESE FOLKS OPERATE THE VAC TRUCKS, PAYLOADERS, STREET
SWEEPERS, DUMP TRUCKS, THE GRADE-ALLS WHICH ARE USED FOR
DITCH GRADING, AND THE SPIDER.
THEY WORK THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
WE ADDED A SECOND SHIFT SO THEY CAN FOCUS SINCE THE STORMS
SO THAT THEY CAN FOCUS ON STORMWATER MAINTENANCE,
PARTICULARLY DURING THE DRY PERIODS, LIKE WE FOCUS ON PAVING
DURING THE DRY PERIODS.
IS IT ENOUGH GIVEN THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE?
IT IS QUITE GOOD, BUT IT IS NOT ENOUGH.
WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE RESOURCES, BUT WHAT WE ALSO NEED
MORE URGENTLY ARE CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THEY BOTH GO TOGETHER.
WE NEED BOTH OF THOSE.
WE HAVE CONTRACTS AS WELL.

AND IF I MAY SHARE THIS WITH COUNCIL, THIS IS A LIST OF OUR
CONTRACTS.
THEY TOTAL ABOUT $5 MILLION.
THEY ARE TYPICALLY PRICED A LITTLE HIGHER THAN OUR ANNUAL
NEED.
OUR ANNUAL NEED IS ABOUT 3 MILLION.
I THINK LAST YEAR IT WAS ABOUT $3.1 MILLION.
AND THESE CONTRACTS ARE FOR VARIOUS ACTIVITIES RELATED TO
STORMWATER MAINTENANCE.
THESE ARE THE CONTRACTS THAT ARE STORMWATER -- THAT OUR
STORMWATER OPERATIONS TEAM, WHICH IS PAID FOR BY THE
STORMWATER SERVICE ASSESSMENT, NOT THE IMPROVEMENT
ASSESSMENT.
THIS IS IN THE QUARTERLY REPORT IN OUR STORMWATER QUARTERLY
REPORT.
SO THIS TEAM WORKS -- OR THESE CONTRACTORS OVERSEEN BY OUR
STORMWATER OPERATIONS TEAM WORK ACROSS THE CITY WITH PONDS,
MOWING, HYDROSEEDING, ALL KINDS OF WORK.
SO THIS HAPPENS YEARLONG.
AND THIS HAPPENS WITH THESE CONTRACTS.
AND WE RENEW THEM AS NEEDED.
THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT PARKLAND EARLIER, AND WE'LL
TALK ABOUT THAT AS WELL AND WHAT WORK WAS DONE, BUT WHAT IS
REALLY NEEDED THERE AS WELL.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT ALSO.

IN TERMS OF PARKLAND MAINTENANCE, OVER THE LAST YEAR, WE'VE
REMOVED OVER SIX TONS OF DEBRIS.
AND BY DEBRIS, WHAT IT MEANS IS REMOVING DIRT, SOME
VEGETATIVE MATERIALS AND ALL, EITHER FROM DITCHES OR FROM
PIPES WITH TRUCKS.
THIS DEBRIS IS WEIGHED AND GOES BACK TO A LAND FILL.
TRUCKED BY US TO A LAND FILL.
THAT'S WHY WE KNOW HOW MUCH IT WEIGHS.
WE INSPECTED AND CLEANED OVER 90 STRUCTURES.
WE'VE INSPECTED AND CLEANED OVER 7,000 MILES OF PIPE, JUST
IN THIS ATLAS AREA AND REPAVED THREE CAVE-INS AND REPAIRED
ONE STRUCTURE.
WAS IT ENOUGH TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WAS GREAT.
WE FEEL WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN WITH THE RESOURCES WE
HAVE.
WE NEED MORE, PARKLAND, ESPECIALLY, THAT BASIN AND WE'VE HAD
LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS, REALLY NEEDS CAPITAL
INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE AND ALL.
THESE ARE THE WORK ORDERS THAT ARE IN THE AREA.
IT REALLY DOESN'T GIVE ANY MORE THAN EVIDENCE THAT THERE'S
BEEN WORK HAPPENING IN THIS AREA.
IT'S NOT THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN.
I DON'T WANT TO SHORTCHANGE THE TEAM FOR THE EFFORT THAT
THEY TAKE ON A DAILY BASIS AND THEY WORK WITH PASSION.

YES, WE HAVE MORE NEEDS.
THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
AND THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY OF THE TRANSPORTATION OPERATION
ITEMS THAT WORK ON THE STREETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
NOW, LET ME TOUCH UPON A FEW OTHER ITEMS RELATIVE TO --
RELATIVE SHORT-TERM MAINTENANCE.
SO WE'LL PRESENT THIS ON FEBRUARY 6 SPECIFIC TO NORTH TAMPA
BECAUSE THAT WAS COUNCILMAN VIERA'S MOTION.
BUT WE ARE ALSO PROPOSING UPGRADES TO PUMP STATIONS ACROSS
THE CITY.
WE'VE PUT THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER WE WILL SUBMIT IT AS A
MEMO NEXT WEEK, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A NORTH TAMPA MOTION.
BUT FOR NOW, I'LL PUT IT UP HERE.
THE TOTAL ASK IS ABOUT $10.5 MILLION.
WHAT THE ASK ENTAILS ARE UPGRADES TO OUR PUMP STATIONS
ADDING GENERATORS WHERE GENERATORS DON'T EXIST, ADDING
MONITORING DEVICES BOTH FOR THE WATER AS WELL AS VISUALLY
AROUND THE AREA.
AND BETTER INSTRUMENTATION SYSTEMS AS WELL.
IN THE MEANTIME, WHAT WE HAVE DONE, AS WE WORK TOWARDS --
AND SOMEONE, A TIMELINE HAD MENTIONED AND I'M GLAD THE
TIMELINE WAS MENTIONED, FROM THE TIME THIS $10.5 MILLION IS
AVAILABLE TO MOBILITY, WE CAN GET THIS WORK DONE IN TWO
YEARS.
BECAUSE THAT'S HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE US TO CONTRACT, DESIGN,

AND BUILD AND GET EVERYTHING IN PLACE.
IN THE INTERIM, HOWEVER, WE'VE TAKEN SEVERAL MEASURES TO
MAKE SURE THE PUMP STATIONS ARE SECURE AND THE PUMP STATIONS
ARE WORKING APPROPRIATELY.
THE FIRST THING WE'VE DONE IS WE HAVE WORKED WITH LOGISTICS
AND ASSET MANAGEMENT.
THEY HAVE GENERATOR CONTRACTORS AND SECURED GENERATORS
BEFORE STORM SEASON.
WE'RE ON THEIR CONTRACT.
WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AT PUMP STATIONS THAT DON'T HAVE
GENERATORS IS PRE-STAGE GENERATORS OUT THERE.
AND BEFORE A MAJOR STORM, WE WILL SWITCH THE GENERATOR
POWER.
THE FUELING PLAN NEEDED FOR THAT GENERATOR IS TO BE POWERED
AND ALL OF THAT HAS ALSO BEEN DEVELOPED.
WE HAVE AN S.O.P. FOR THAT.
WE'VE ADDED FUEL CELLS, ONE WITH TRANSPORTATION OPERATION
AND ONE WITH STORMWATER OPERATIONS AS WELL.
THROUGH OUR FLEET TEAM WITHIN MOBILITY'S OPERATIONS.
SO WE'VE GOT A FUELING PLAN.
WE'VE GOT THE GENERATORS, AND THE IDEA IS WHERE WE DON'T
HAVE GENERATORS, WE'LL GO OUT AND PUT THESE -- PRE-STAGE
THESE GENERATORS AND A DAY BEFORE THE STORM, WE JUST MOVE TO
GENERATOR POWER.
THIS IS WHILE WE UPGRADE THE GENERATORS AND THE OTHER

SYSTEMS.
WHAT THIS ALSO INCLUDES, THE INTERIM PLAN, IS FOR PUMP
STATIONS, ESPECIALLY LIKE CURIOSITY CREEK, WHERE THERE WAS A
CHALLENGE WITH THE AUTOMATIC TRANSFER SWITCH WHERE IT DIDN'T
KICK TO GENERATOR POWER, WE'RE GOING TO TURN ON THE
GENERATORS THERE AND SWITCH TO GENERATOR POWER BEFORE THE
STORM.
KIND OF SIMILAR TO WHERE THERE AREN'T ANY GENERATORS.
THIS WILL ENSURE THERE WILL BE POWER WHETHER THERE'S LINE
POWER OR NOT TO THE PUMPS.
AND THE PUMP STATIONS -- CHAIR, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION.
12:35:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO, NO.
I WAS THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING.
12:35:17PM >>VIK BHIDE:
THE PUMP STATIONS THEMSELVES, THE PUMPS AT ALL
OF OUR PUMP STATIONS ARE FUNCTIONING FINE.
THEY FUNCTIONED THROUGH THE STORM WHEN THEY HAD POWER.
IT WAS GETTING POWER WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE IT THAT WAS THE
BIGGER CHALLENGE.
AND THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING BY EITHER PRE-STAGING GENERATORS
OR JUST SWITCHING TO GENERATOR POWER WHERE WE HAVE IT.
ON THE INSTRUMENTATION PIECE, WE'VE ENGAGED AN ELECTRONICS
FIRM, AN INSTRUMENTATION FIRM, ICON, SAME FIRM THAT OUR
WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT ALSO USES FOR THEIR WASTEWATER PUMP
STATIONS.
THEN OUR CHIEF ENGINEER AND OUR PUMP STATION'S SUPERVISOR

HAVE VISITED EVERY SINGLE PUMP STATION WITHIN THE CITY.
WE HAVE 16 PUMP STATIONS, TO MAKE SURE ALL OF THE
INSTRUMENTATION IS WORKING.
WE DID NOT HAVE, OTHER THAN THE ATS, ANY MAJOR
INSTRUMENTATION CHALLENGES AND WE HAVE THAT IN SCADA.
I MENTIONED THIS PREVIOUSLY.
THAT DATA ABOUT PUMP STATIONS IS ON TAMPA.GOV/HURRICANES
UNDER STORMWATER.
AND IT SHOWS BEFORE THE STORM AND AFTER THE STORM, WHAT WAS
THE FUNCTIONING OF THAT PUMP STATION.
AND, OF COURSE, WHERE YOU LOST POWER AND THERE'S NO
GENERATOR, IT DIDN'T -- THE PUMPS DIDN'T KICK IN.
SO THE SOPs ARE IN PLACE.
THE CONTRACTS ARE IN PLACE.
WE'RE PREPARED WITH OUR PUMP STATIONS TO MAKE SURE.
THE CONCERNS WE HAD LAST YEAR RELATIVE TO POWER WOULD NOT
HAPPEN THIS YEAR.
IN THE MEANTIME, WE WILL WORK WITH COUNCIL AND THE
ADMINISTRATION THROUGH THE FY '26 BUDGET OR SOONER TO MAKE
SURE WE CAN MAKE THESE, ADD THESE GENERATORS WHERE THEY ARE
NEEDED, ADD THE ADDITIONAL MONITORING AS WELL.
AS PART OF THE FY '26 BUDGET, WE WILL ALSO BE REQUESTING TWO
POSITIONS RIGHT NOW TO CREATE A PUMP STATIONS TEAM.
TODAY, WE HAVE ONE PERSON AND A BACKUP TO SUPPORT THEM.
AND ICON, WHICH IS OUR CONSULTANT, WHICH THE CONTRACT WILL

RENEW AND WE WILL HAVE THEM ON BOARD ALWAYS.
BUT GIVEN WHERE WE'RE AT AND GIVEN THE INTENSITY OF STORMS
WE'VE SEEN THE LAST FEW YEARS, TWO HURRICANES IN 12 DAYS
NOTWITHSTANDING, THIS IS CLEARLY A FOCUS THAT IS RESIDENT
WITH EVERYONE.
WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR THOSE TWO POSITIONS AS WELL.
ON TOP OF THE GENERATOR UPGRADES AND THE TWO POSITIONS,
RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GOING TO REQUEST $500,000 A YEAR MORE FOR
OUR MAINTENANCE.
THIS IS AS WE GO THROUGH AND BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT WE NEED
RELATIVE TO THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN.
SO HAVING ALL OF THESE THINGS IN PLACE DO ADDRESS A LOT OF
THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAD WITH THE LAST TWO STORMS IN 2024.
I CAN ADDRESS A COUPLE OF ITEMS SPECIFIC TO PARKLAND IF
YOU'D LIKE BECAUSE I KNOW THE COUNCIL RECEIVED A LETTER
RECENTLY AND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME E-MAILS RELATIVE TO PONDS
AND POND MAINTENANCE.
I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE COUNCIL'S TIME.
IT'S UP TO COUNCIL.
12:38:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CARLSON, VIERA, HURTAK.
CARLSON, HURTAK, VIERA.
12:39:00PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR THE DALE, VIK, AND WHOEVER PUT
THAT TOGETHER.
SINCE YOU HAVE SEVERAL STAFF MEMBERS HERE, I WANT TO THANK,
SEVERAL OF THEM HAVE BEEN OUT IN MULTIPLE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH

ME, EVEN MULTIPLE PARTS OF INDIVIDUAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
I WANT TO THANK JEFF DeBOSIER IN PARTICULAR, SORRY TO CALL
YOU OUT.
HE HAS A PERSONALITY AND A DIRECTNESS THAT EVEN THOUGH
PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THE ANSWER, HE TELLS THEM HOW IT IS.
AND EVERYBODY WHO HAS BEEN OUT HAS BEEN FANTASTIC.
IT'S NOT EASY TO GO TALK TO CONSTITUENTS.
BUT I THINK THE GREAT THING ABOUT HIS DEMEANOR IS THAT
CONSTITUENTS KNOW THEY CAN TRUST HIM AND EVEN IF THEY DON'T
LIKE THE ANSWER.
THE OTHER AREA WE HAVEN'T MENTIONED THAT'S NOT HERE AT ALL
TODAY IS WASTEWATER.
MANY AREAS -- AND THAT IS A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT, NOT WITH
VIK, BUT WASTEWATER WAS ANOTHER BIG THING.
THE PUMPS FAILED ON WASTEWATER.
WE HAD ALREADY APPROVED SOME BUDGETS TO FIX THE PUMPS ON
BAYSHORE, SO THAT WILL BE FIXING SOME OF THEM, BUT WE HAD
AREAS THAT FIRST FLOODED WITH FRESHWATER AND THEN THEY
FLOODED WITH WASTEWATER.
WE HAVE TO ADDRESS BOTH OF THEM AND THERE ARE REASONS FOR
BOTH.
I WANT TO THANK ERIC WEISS ALSO AND HIS TEAL.
ONE NEIGHBORHOOD WE MET WITH, THEY HAD A RIVER OF POO FOR
TWO OR THREE DAYS.
WE GOT THE PUMPS FIXED, ELECTRIC BACK ON FOR THE PUMPS BUT

THEN HE BROUGHT WITHIN AN HOUR AFTER THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASKING
FOR IT, HE HAD SANITIZERS GOING UP AND DOWN THE STREETS.
I WANT TO THANK FOLKS FOR THEIR RESPONSIVENESS, EVERYBODY
TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER.
AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, WE NEED TO REMEMBER THE WASTEWATER
COMPONENT OF IT.
MY STREET, A WASTEWATER PIPE CAVED IN AND WE WERE REALLY,
REALLY LUCKY IT DIDN'T RAIN BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE HAD A
RIVER OF POO IN OUR STREET AND IT CAVED IN BECAUSE THERE WAS
A 150-YEAR-OLD TREE THAT FELL OVER AND BUSTED IT.
FIVE DIFFERENT TEAMS OF PEOPLE HAD TO COME OUT -- I CAN'T
REMEMBER THE NAME OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD -- GUY ON STAFF
THAT HANDLED IT, LIKE A TWO OR THREE-WEEK EFFORT TO GET
MULTIPLE CREWS OUT TO FIX IT BECAUSE POWER LINES, CABLE
LINES.
IT WAS VERY, VERY COMPLICATED.
AND THAT'S JUST ONE INSTANCE THAT I SAW.
STORMWATER, WASTEWATER.
THE OTHER THING WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IS PERMITTING.
THERE ARE AREAS WHERE HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT IN RETENTION
PONDS.
JEFF AND HIS TEAM BROUGHT THE MAPS.
ENCOURAGE ANYBODY BUYING A HOUSE, LOOK AT THE ELEVATION MAP
BEFORE YOU BUY A HOUSE.
YOU MIGHT BE IN A FLOOD ZONE, WHATEVER.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATION AROUND YOU, IF THE ELEVATIONS
AROUND YOU ARE HIGHER THAN YOURS ARE, THE WATER WILL FLOW
DOWN.
MIGHT BE FOUR INCHES OF RAIN, BUT IF IT'S IN A MILE AREA,
THEY WILL ALL FLOOD DOWN IN YOUR AREA.
THERE IS AN AREA IN SOUTH TAMPA WHERE THERE ALLEGEDLY WAS A
LAKE A HUNDRED YEARS AGO.
SOMEBODY FILLED IT IN.
OLD BRICK STREETS AND EVERYTHING, BUT THE WATER FLOODED DOWN
THERE AND THERE ARE PUMPS AND THOSE HAD OTHER ISSUES, NOT
JUST ELECTRIC DURING THAT STORM.
THERE IS ANOTHER AREA WHERE SOMEBODY HAD LIKE A FOUR, FIVE
MILLION DOLLARS HOUSE THAT LITERALLY WAS BUILT IN THE LAST
TEN YEARS IN WHAT WAS A RETENTION POND JUST A FEW YEARS AGO.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WAS PERMITTED.
I TOOK THE STAFF OUT, DON'T WANT TO MENTION THE ADDRESS, ALL
OF US LOOKED AT IT, VIK, YOU'VE TOLD US THAT THE ROADS
TYPICALLY WILL MAINTAIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WATER AS A
HOLDING POINT.
THIS HOUSE IS FIVE, SIX FEET BELOW THE ROAD.
HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT GOT PERMITTED?
WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO IN THAT CASE.
CAN'T BUILD IT UP.
CAN'T POSSIBLY PUT ENOUGH FILTER.
THE ONLY SOLUTION IN SOME CASES IS TO BUY HOUSES.

I TALKED TO SOMEBODY IN STORMWATER WITH ANOTHER CITY
RECENTLY WHO SAID WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT MAYBE FUNDING
PEOPLE TO LIFT HOUSES.
HE SAID $400,000 A HOUSE.
IN PARKLAND ESTATES, 20 HOUSES, $8 MILLION, PAY TO LIFT
THEIR HOUSES INSTEAD OF SPENDING $130 MILLION ON A PROJECT
THAT WON'T WORK.
WE ALSO NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE SURGE THAT'S COME IN.
IN MICHELLE'S CASE, YOU'LL SEE THE MAPS, THE WAVE CAME OVER
THREE, FOUR HUNDRED METERS OF VEGETATION THAT WE THOUGHT
WOULD PROTECT HOUSES AND DIDN'T.
WE FOUND GOING OUT IN THE FIELD THAT THE MAPS NEED TO BE
UPDATED.
SOMETIMES CITY EQUIPMENT THAT PREDATED CURRENT MAPS.
WE NEED TO UPDATE THEM WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE MISSING.
SOMETIMES NEIGHBORHOODS SHOW THAT BEHIND.
ALSO PEOPLE HAVE MODIFIED.
THEY FILLED IN DITCHES AND OTHER THINGS.
THE LAST THING IS, WE'VE GOT THE BUDGET FOR ALL OF THIS.
WE DON'T HAVE TO RAISE TAXES.
WE HAVE THE BUDGET.
WE CANCEL THE BOONDOGGLE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT.
IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP THE PEOPLE IN PARKLAND ESTATES.
EVEN PEOPLE IN PARKLAND ESTATES GETTING SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS
NOW THEY ARE RECOMMENDING THE THINGS THAT WE PROPOSED A FEW

MONTHS AGO, THEY WANTED THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT INSTEAD OF
SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS NOW THEY ARE ADVOCATING FOR THE SAME
THINGS THAT THEY BOOED A FEW MONTHS AGO.
NOW WE'VE GOT TO FIX THESE ISSUES AND $130 MILLION ON THAT
IS NOT THE SOLUTION.
12:44:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HURTAK, VIERA.
12:44:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'LL GO BACK TO THE SINGLE DRUM I'M BEATING.
IT REALLY GOES FOR -- YOU SAW THE PHOTOS THIS MORNING.
YOU'VE SEEN, SO ONE OF THE BIGGEST PARTS OF THIS, QUITE
FRANKLY, IS JUST THE VISUAL OF IT, TOO.
WHEN PEOPLE SEE THESE DITCHES THAT ARE FILLED IN WITH DIRT,
THAT THEY SEE THE PIPE THAT IS HALF FILLED, THAT MAY NOT BE
THE FIRST AND FINAL THING YOU WOULD DO TO SOLVE IT, BUT IT
REALLY DOES HELP AND IT REALLY MAKES PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT
WE'RE DOING SOMETHING.
IT DOES PROVIDE ASSISTANCE.
YOU SAID HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
WOULD THAT BE WHAT IT TAKES TO DIG THESE DITCHES OUT, TO
CLEAR THESE PIPES BEFORE THE RAINY SEASON?
12:44:58PM >>VIK BHIDE:
SO, YES.
BUT I WILL ADD THIS, THAT AFTER THE FIRST MAJOR RAINS, WE
HAVE AN INUNDATION OF AN INSUFFICIENT SYSTEM THAT CONTINUES
TO GREAT PROBLEMS.
IT'S NOT JUST BEFORE THE RAINY SEASON AND DOING IT ONCE, YOU
HAVE TO KEEP GOING BACK, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE THE HOT SPOTS

AND WE HAVE FOLKS GOING OUT THERE.
EARLIER TODAY IN PUBLIC COMMENT, THERE WAS A PERSON FROM THE
CONCORDIA PARK NEIGHBORHOOD, AND VERY VALID POINT, BECAUSE
WE MET WITH THE NEIGHBORS OUT THERE.
WE LOOKED AT THE SYSTEM.
WE SAID WE WOULD TV THE SYSTEM.
FINALLY, WHEN WE GOT THE TV, RIGHT NOW MY UNDERSTANDING IS
BECAUSE AFTER LISTENING TO THAT PUBLIC COMMENT, I SPOKE WITH
OUR STORMWATER CHIEF, AND HE'S GOING TO REACH OUT TO THAT
COMMUNITY AGAIN TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS
BETWEEN WHAT THEY HAVE SEEN OUT THERE AND WHAT I'M HEARING
FROM OUR TEAM.
SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN FOCUS ON THOSE, WE'RE GOING TO
FOCUS ON EVERY AREA THAT WE KNOW, BUT WE'RE ALSO DOING TWO
OTHER THINGS THAT I FAILED TO MENTION.
ONE IS A POLICY ITEM.
THIS SHOULD COME TO YOU BY MARCH.
WE'RE WORKING WITH THE BUILDERS ASSOCIATION AND THAN TO
UPDATE A STORMWATER POLICY THAT WE'VE HAD SINCE -- I WANT TO
SAY THE '90s OR '80s.
I'M NOT SURE WHEN.
BASICALLY, TO PUT IT SIMPLY, IF YOU HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT
IMPERVIOUS LOT RIGHT NOW AND IF YOU HAVE TO REBUILD IT, YOU
GET CREDITS FOR THAT IMPERVIOUS AND YOU CAN BUILD
IMPERVIOUS.

WE'RE TAKING THAT LOOPHOLE AWAY AND SAYING THERE IS A SINGLE
STANDARD FOR THAT USE, BASICALLY.
SO THAT'S IN THE WORKS.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE PARTIALLY THE
$500,000 FOR IS A MORE ROBUST TV INSPECTION PROGRAM.
THAT IS A DEFICIENCY RIGHT NOW THAT WE WILL ADDRESS.
MEANING, BASICALLY GETTING CAMERAS AND GOING THROUGH THE
PIPES TO MAKE SURE WHAT'S WHERE.
WE HAVE JUST ONE TV TRUCK RIGHT NOW, SO WE'RE ADDING ANOTHER
CAMERA.
I THINK IT WENT THROUGH COUNCIL A COUPLE OF WEEKS BACK.
THEN WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT CONTRACTING THAT.
IN THE MEANTIME, WE LEVERAGE WITH OUR PARTNERS IN THE
WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THEY HAVE MANY MORE TV TRUCKS
THAN WE DO.
THOSE THINGS COST ABOUT 533,000 EACH.
SO THERE IS A COST ISSUE AS WELL WITH THAT.
BUT WILL WE NEED MORE RESOURCES BEYOND THE 500,000?
WE WILL.
WE JUST DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT NUMBER IS.
WHAT WE DO KNOW IS IN THE SHORT-TERM FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS,
THIS WILL HELP US GET GOING.
WE MAY NEED ADDITIONAL IN THE FY '27 CYCLE I'M PRETTY SURE.
BY THE TIME WE HAVE OUR WATERSHED MASTER PLAN, A LOT OF THAT
WILL BE MUCH CLEARER AS WELL.

12:48:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ONE MORE QUESTION, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOT
SPOTS YOU KNOW ABOUT.
12:48:11PM >>VIK BHIDE:
YES.
12:48:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY CONCERN ALSO IS HOT SPOTS YOU DON'T KNOW
ABOUT.
ONE OF THE THINGS, NOTICING ALL THESE PHOTOS WE'VE GOTTEN,
IS THERE A WAY -- I KNOW WE DO IT FOR OTHER THINGS.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS WITHIN THE CITY BUT I'M PRETTY SURE
F.D.O.T. DOES THIS FOR CONCERNS ON ROADWAYS, IS THERE A WAY
THAT WE CAN CREATE A SYSTEM OR USE A SYSTEM WE ALREADY HAVE
WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO TO A GIS MAP, DROP A PIN, ADD A PHOTO
THAT SAYS, HEY, THIS AREA IS FLOODING.
THAT'S ONE THING I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO HEAR ABOUT.
I KNOW YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE COMING TO US ON THE 6th.
IF YOU COULD ADD THAT TO THE UPDATE, HEY, WHAT ARE OUR
CAPABILITIES HERE, JUST A REALLY BASIC, BECAUSE I THINK THAT
WILL HELP TREMENDOUSLY IF FOLKS KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEY CAN
GO TO SHOW, AND IT WILL HELP WITH YOUR E-MAIL, BECAUSE WHEN
YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT WHERE IT IS, RIGHT WHERE THE WATER
PROBLEM IS, THAT WILL HELP YOU ALSO TO FIGURE OUT WHERE
RESOURCES NEED TO GO THAT YOU MAY NOT KNOW ABOUT.
I KNOW THAT'S QUITE A BIT OF A PROBLEM AS WELL.
12:49:18PM >>VIK BHIDE:
YEAH, WE HAVE FLOOD REPORTING TOOL THAT REALLY
DOESN'T WORK THAT WELL, THE FLOOD MAP.
AND WE ARE WORKING ON A BETTER SYSTEM.

BUT BEYOND THE HOT SPOTS, BECAUSE THE HOT SPOTS ARE BEFORE
SOMETHING HAPPENS.
THEY ARE TYPICALLY THE LOW SPOTS.
IT'S REALLY DRIVEN BY THE GEOGRAPHY OF THE AREA, WE DO GET
REPORTS OF FLOODING, EITHER THROUGH TPD OR DIRECTLY THROUGH
THE 3101 NUMBER AND THE NUMBER TO REPORT FLOODING
813-274-3101.
AND THEN WE RESPOND TO THOSE.
AND THOSE ARE TRACKED AGAIN THROUGH THE WORK MANAGEMENT
SYSTEM.
BUT THAT'S MORE RESPONSIVE.
THE MORE PROACTIVE WE CAN GET, THAT IS REALLY THE GOAL
ULTIMATELY.
12:50:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
12:50:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, IF NOTHING ELSE, I'LL
GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
12:50:06PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, GOOD POINT ON THE HOT SPOTS.
I REMEMBER INQUIRING, HEY, WHY AREN'T THERE ANY SANDBAG
LOCATIONS FOR NORTH TAMPA?
DOESN'T FLOOD.
WELL, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW, RIGHT?
I WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR THAT.
MR. BHIDE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
YOUR STATEMENT IS THAT THIS YEAR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BACKUP

GENERATORS AND PUMPS.
12:50:28PM >>VIK BHIDE:
CORRECT, YES.
12:50:30PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO AND I ALREADY E-MAILED
MY EIGHT ON THIS IS BECAUSE THE NORTH TAMPA COMMUNITY,
WHICH, AGAIN, LIKE MANY COMMUNITIES, DIDN'T SEE THIS
SOMETHING, IS OBVIOUSLY VERY, VERY NERVOUS.
A LOT OF ANXIETY OUT THERE.
I'M GOING TO HAVE A MARCH COMMUNITY MEETING OVER IN NORTH
TAMPA, WHETHER IT IS FOREST HILLS, OVERLOOK, WHERE EVERYBODY
CAN GATHER AND CONGREGATE, WHERE STAFF, WHETHER IT'S YOU OR
ANYBODY ELSE, DOESN'T NEED TO BE YOU, CAN COME AND BRIEF
THAT COMMUNITY ON WHAT'S BEING DONE.
BECAUSE PEOPLE, GOSH, FOLKS ARE SCARRED OUT THERE.
THEY ARE VERY, VERY SCARRED.
THERE'S KNOW 2, 3, 4, 5 MILLION HOMES OUT THERE.
THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT LIVE PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK.
THEY ARE NURSES, TEACHERS, TEACHER AIDES OUT THERE,
EDUCATORS, COPS, FIREFIGHTERS, WELDERS, ELECTRICIANS,
ET CETERA.
AND LIKE EVERYBODY WHO WAS HIT, WHETHER IN ZONE X OR ZONE
WHATEVER, PEOPLE ARE SCARRED.
THEY NEVER THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO BE A PART OF THEIR
EXISTENCE OUT THERE SO THEY WANT EVERY SINGLE GUARANTEE THAT
THINGS ARE BEING DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PREPARE FOR THE
WORST.

SO I DO THINK THAT IS SOMETHING IMPORTANT AND WE'LL BE
WORKING WITH YOU ALL ON THAT TO GET DATES, ET CETERA.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU AS WELL, I WAS TALKING TO THE
OFFICE OF A STATE SENATOR OVER IN TALLAHASSEE AND TALKING
ABOUT STATE FUNDING.
ARE WE REQUESTING ANY FUNDS FROM TALLAHASSEE FOR ASSISTANCE
ON THIS INFRASTRUCTURE?
12:52:04PM >>VIK BHIDE:
I'LL HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
CURRENT LEGISLATURE, I'M NOT AWARE.
I KNOW THAT THROUGH FEMA AND THE STATE SYSTEM WE DID.
12:52:14PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR A WRITTEN REPORT ON THAT BECAUSE I
THINK THE CUTOFF IS THE END OF FEBRUARY, IF I RECALL, AND
THAT GOES FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL AS HOUSING, MAKING SURE
THAT WE'RE GETTING THAT DONE.
SO WHAT I WOULD TELL FOLKS IN THE PUBLIC AND I GUESS WE HAVE
FOLKS HERE MAYBE WHO WERE FLOODED AND DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU
ARE PLANT CITY OR TOWN N' COUNTRY OR NORTH TAMPA OR SOUTH
TAMPA, IS TO PLEASE DON'T STOP GOING TO PUBLIC FORUMS AND
TELLING PEOPLE YOUR STORY.
BECAUSE IF THE FLOODING AND THE TRAGEDY DIDN'T HAPPEN TO
YOU, IT'S VERY EASY TO FORGET ABOUT IT.
THAT'S HUMAN NATURE, RIGHT?
THAT'S WHY EMPATHY IS SOMETHING THAT IS SO IMPORTANT.
BUT TO ALWAYS TELL YOUR STORY AND TO BE ACTIVE IN CONNECTING

WITH ELECTED OFFICIALS AND LETTING PEOPLE KNOW YOUR STORIES
BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DEVASTATED, SCARRED, PTSD, GONE
THROUGH THE WORST HELL IN LIFE THAT I'VE SEEN.
AND IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE TO TELL YOUR STORY AND NOT
LET PEOPLE FORGET ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED ABOUT 110 DAYS AGO.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
12:53:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
WE'LL START PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE FIRST SPEAKER IS MICHELLE MASTROTOTARO.
DO YOU WANT ME TO COME TO YOU IN A LITTLE BIT?
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:53:43PM >> MY NAME IS MICHELLE MASTROTOTARO.
I LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA.
12:53:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WAIT.
CAN YOU TURN THE SPOTLIGHT OFF?
12:53:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE SHOULD LET PEOPLE SPEAK.
THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
I MAKE A MOTION TO NOT TIME PEOPLE ON THIS.
LET HER SPEAK TO WHAT SHE NEEDS TO SPEAK TO.
I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT HER THOUGHTS.
12:54:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
GO AHEAD.
YOU ALREADY STATED YOUR NAME.

12:54:19PM >> FIRST I HAVE TO SAY HE IS A LIAR.
HE KNEW SINCE IDALIA THERE WAS AN ISSUE.
IDALIA CAME THREE FEET UP AND IT CAME TO MY FLOORBOARDS AND
I'VE BEEN FIGHTING -- THANK YOU.
I'VE BEEN FIGHTING WITH THEM SINCE IDALIA.
HE HAD ENOUGH TIME.
WHAT HAPPENS IS THE WESTSHORE POINT APARTMENTS WERE BUILT
AND THEY BLOCKED ALL THE DRAINAGES.
DITCHES ALL IN THERE AND I CAN SHOW YOU PICTURES OF ALL THE
DITCHES THAT THEY WERE ALLOWED TO FILL IN AND BLOCK AND THEY
BUILT A 15-FOOT WALL 400 FEET LONG AND BENCHY WAS HIRED
IRONICALLY AFTER THE FIRST FLOOD THAT WAS IN 11/11/2020.
THAT'S HOW THEY GOT HIRED.
BENCHY.
KATHERINE HARTLEY.
SHE ADMITTED IN THE MEETING THAT SHE SAID THAT THE
APARTMENTS WAS NOT A GOOD CHOICE AND HOW THE 15-FOOT WALL
OBVIOUSLY ON WETLAND BUILT WILL BLOCK YOUR OVERFLOW, SO NOW
ELLICOTT NEVER FLOODED OVER THERE, NOW THEY ARE GETTING ALL
THIS WATER.
I'M GETTING ALL THIS WATER.
MY HOUSE IS 111 YEARS OLD.
I HAVE AN AUTISTIC BLIND CHILD.
I LIVE IN FEAR.
THIS HAS BEEN THE WORST I'VE EVER -- 6.77 FEET IN MY HOME

WITH SEWER AND SALTWATER, DESTROYED EVERYTHING.
I LOST EVERYTHING.
I CAN'T EVEN EXPRESS WHAT THEY WERE ALLOWED TO DO AND WHAT
THEY DID NOT CARE.
I KEPT FIGHTING WITH THEM.
IF THEY TALK ABOUT THE HOT LINE AND THE SPOTS, ONLY NORTH OF
GANDY WAS ALLOWED TO PIN, NOT SOUTH OF GANDY.
AND GUESS WHAT, WHEN YOU CALL STORMWATER AND THEY KNOW YOU
ARE BY PORT TAMPA, OH, WE ALREADY KNOW YOU FLOOD AND CAME UP
ON YOU.
THEY DIDN'T WANT TO KNOW NOTHING ABOUT US.
IT WAS VERY CORRUPT AND VERY SAD.
THEN HELENE CAME AND THAT WAS BAD.
BUT THEN A WEEK AND A HALF LATER, MILTON CAME AND MY HOUSE
WAS DESTROYED.
BLESS HIS HEART, BILL CAME OUT THAT NEXT DAY AND HE WENT ALL
AROUND MY HOUSE.
THERE'S NO DRAINAGES ANYWHERE.
NOT ONE DRAINAGE.
WE GOT A BIG CAP IN PARK RIGHT IN FRONT.
NO DRAINAGE.
AND THEN THE WESTSHORE POINTS WERE ALLOWED TO PUT ALL THEIR
DRAINAGE OUT ON TO PRESCOTT.
SO HE WAS HAVING A SECRET NEWS MEETING NOT TELLING NOBODY,
AND I FOUND OUT ABOUT IT.

I RAN DOWN THERE AND ALL THE NEWS PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW THE
REAL STORY.
HE WAS TRYING TO BLAME IT ON TROPICAL DEBBY, HURRICANE DEBBY
THAT THAT TORE UP PRESCOTT.
THAT WASN'T THE TRUTH AT ALL.
AND MILTON, I HAD TO EVACUATE.
DIDN'T KNOW IF I WAS COMING HOME TO A HOME OR NOT.
AND THERE WAS THIS ONE THING THAT WAS ACTUALLY NOT WET, AND
IT SAID GOD GOT ME.
I PUT IT ON MY MAILBOX.
IT'S SO CORRUPT WHAT THEY DID NEXT DOOR AND IT WASN'T FAIR.
IT WAS NOT FAIR.
I WANTED TO SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES.
I'M SORRY.
THIS HAS PUT ME IN PTSD.
IT'S JUST SO BAD.
12:58:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PUT IT DOWN THERE AND IT WILL COME UP ON
THE TV SCREEN.
THEY ARE ZOOMING IN A LITTLE BIT.
WE SEE THE OVERHEAD AERIAL MAP.
12:58:54PM >> SO THIS WAS IN 2013.
12:59:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LEAVE IT DOWN.
IT'S IN FOCUS ALREADY.
12:59:02PM >> SO YOU CAN SEE THE DRAINAGES IN 2013 LEADING TO THE
WATER.

12:59:11PM >>BILL CARLSON:
COULD YOU SHOW US WHERE YOUR HOUSE IS?
12:59:13PM >> MY HOUSE IS THAT LITTLE BLACK DOT, LITTLE SQUARE.
IT IS A BEAUTIFUL, HISTORICAL HOME.
I LOST HALF OF MY KIDS.
THEY HAD TO MOVE OUT OF STATE.
I ONLY HAD ONE OF MY KIDS THAT WAS A CAREGIVER FOR ME TO
GIVE ME SOME RELIEF WITH MY DISABLED SON, AND HE WENT TO
IOWA.
HEARTACHE.
THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW.
IF YOU COULD SEE, THEY BLOCKED EVERY ONE OF THOSE DITCHES.
AND YOU COULD SEE, AND THEY PURPOSELY MADE THAT DESIGN.
IT WAS A DEVELOPER SABOTAGE.
THIS LINE RIGHT HERE, THAT ONE IS GOING OUT.
THEY BLOCKED IT.
THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE LINE GOING, THEY
BLOCKED THEM ALL.
THERE, YOU CAN SEE THE LINES, HOW THEY BLOCKED BOTH OF THEM.
THIS WAS MY HOUSE.
THAT WAS AT 8:15.
THAT WAS AT 9:00.
IT CAME IN SO FAST, CAN'T EVEN HOW THAT FAST.
I MEAN, IT WAS ONCE IT WAS UP TO YOUR KNEE AND THEN YOUR
HIP.
THIS WAS DEBBY.

THE ONE RIGHT BEFORE HURRICANE HELENE.
THAT MUCH WATER CAME THROUGH.
THIS WAS BACK IN 2012.
THAT WAS THE MOST WATER WE'VE EVER HAD IN 2012.
AND THAT DIDN'T EVEN GET UP TO MY STEP.
THAT'S WHAT HAS ALWAYS -- I'VE ONLY SEEN THAT ONE TIME SINCE
I'VE BEEN THERE.
I'M SORRY.
THIS IS SO EMOTIONAL FOR ME.
I THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THIS TIME.
SO THIS IS A LITTLE STORY.
YOU CAN SEE WE'RE LIVING UPSTAIRS.
THAT'S MY SON.
I'M LIVING OUT OF A BAG.
DESTROYED EVERYTHING.
THAT'S THE END.
THAT'S HOW HELENE CAME THROUGH.
CAN'T EVEN SEAT PALM TREES PRETTY MUCH.
THE OTHER PART TOO HE DOESN'T TELL YOU THAT STORMWATER TOLD
ME TO GO SUE DEVELOPERS.
THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO ANYMORE.
WELL, ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT YOU SAW THAT CAME IN EARLIER,
THOSE PEOPLE LOST THEIR JOBS BECAUSE OF THIS.
THIS IS A BIG THING THEY HAVE DONE.
AND IT'S REALLY SAD WHAT WAS ALLOWED AND I DON'T THINK SOUTH

OF GANDY NEEDS TO BE BEING BUILT ANYMORE.
THEY NEED TO FIX WHAT'S GOING ON NOW.
I PAY MY TAXES LIKE EVERYBODY.
I EVEN PAY FOR STORMWATER AND DRAINAGE.
I DON'T EVEN HAVE A DRAIN.
I HAVE NOTHING.
AND THEN THIS GUY LET THEM BUILD THIS WALL AND IT IS JUST
DESTROYING EVERYTHING, AND IT'S NOT -- I JUST WANT MY HOME
BACK.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEY ARE PURPOSEFULLY PUSHING YOU OUT.
IT'S ALL I HAVE.
MY SON, HE'S SO DISABLED, I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF QUALITY
OF LIFE HE HAS LEFT.
HE IS IN A PACK -- BECAUSE WE CAN'T GO HOME.
IT'S JUST HORRIBLE.
THIS IS HEARTBREAKING.
THIS IS REALLY HEARTBREAKING AND THERE'S NOT ONE CARE.
THEY DON'T CARE.
I WOULD LOVE TO ASK HIM FOR HIS RESIGNATION AND ALEX AWAD.
I DON'T THINK THEY DESERVE TO BE RUNNING FOR THIS POSITION
BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT DONE NOTHING IN THIS AREA.
MAYBE, FOR THE RECORD, THERE MIGHT BE RETALIATION FROM THAT,
SO IF ANYTHING DOES HAPPEN, I'M JUST SAYING, I DON'T THINK
WHAT'S GOING ON IS FAIR, AND IF YOU UNDERSTAND.
I JUST HOPE YOU GUYS CAN HELP THE SMALL PEOPLE.

DON'T ALLOW THE DEVELOPERS TO BUILD TEN FEET HIGH.
I LOST 24 FAMILIES IN MY AREA.
24 FAMILIES HAD TO FORFEIT THEIR HOMES BECAUSE OF THIS.
AND THEN WHEN HE WAS OVER THERE TRYING TO DO HIS SECRET NEWS
AND WHEN THEY SEEN THE 15-FOOT WALL -- OH, I DIDN'T SHOW YOU
THAT ONE.
THE 15-FOOT WALL.
THIS WILL SHOW YOU EXACTLY WHAT CORRUPTION IS.
THEY BUILT THIS WALL.
I'M SORRY.
I'M JUST -- I DIDN'T EXPECT TO SEE HIM TODAY.
I CAN'T FIND IT.
I'M FRAZZLED RIGHT NOW.
IF YOU COULD POSSIBLY ENFORCE SOMETHING TO BE DONE.
I SEE EVERYTHING GOING ON NORTH OF GANDY AND JANE CASTOR
BROADCASTING NORTH OF GANDY.
I DON'T SEE ONE TRUCK, ONE TRUCK BY US HELPING US AT ALL.
NOTHING.
AND THIS ONE MAN, THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO GET TO,
LIKE, TO SAY SOMETHING WHO LIVES RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
HE TURN AROUND AND SAID, WHAT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE
APARTMENTS?
THEY ARE THE REASON WE FLOOD.
SO ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY SAID LET ME SEE THAT PICTURE YOU
HAVE OF THE 15-FOOT WALL.

AND GUESS WHAT, ONE OF HIS FELLOW COLLEAGUES SAID, OH
S-H-I-T AND ALL RAN OFF LIKE COCKROACHES.
GUESS WHAT, NEXT WEEK, HE PUT IT AT ROBINSON HIGH SCHOOL,
THE MEETING.
THAT SHOWS YOU WHAT'S GOING ON.
I'M SORRY --
1:06:57PM >>BILL CARLSON:
COULD I ASK HER A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS?
MICHELLE, THANK YOU FOR BEING BRAVE TO SHARE YOUR STORY, I
TRIED TO SHARE IT A LOT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S INDICATIVE OF
THE CHALLENGES THAT PEOPLE FACE.
FIRST OF ALL, PEOPLE THINK THAT EVERYONE IN SOUTH TAMPA HAS
A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR HOUSE, AND IS RICH AND CAN PAY THEIR
OWN REPAIRS, AND MICHELLE IS VERY INDICATIVE OF HER
NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE PEOPLE DIDN'T HAVE INSURANCE, SOMETIMES
DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO PAY FOR THEIR OWN REPAIRS.
I'LL ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE.
TO ILLUSTRATE THE PLIGHT, NOT JUST SOUTH TAMPA, BUT SOUTH
TAMPA WAS HIT ALL OVER AND IT'S NOT ALL RICH PEOPLE, I WANT
TO ASK YOU QUICKLY, YOUR HOUSE IS LIKE A HUNDRED YEARS OLD,
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
1:07:42PM >> 111.
1:07:43PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ALSO HISTORIC HOME.
HOW FAR OFF THE GROUND IS IT?
1:07:47PM >> FOUR AND A HALF FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL.
1:07:51PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ON BLOCKS OR SOMETHING.

1:07:52PM >> YES.
1:07:53PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HOW MUCH OFF THE GROUND?
1:07:55PM >> ABOUT FOUR FEET.
1:07:57PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU HAVE TO TAKE STAIRS TO GET UP TO YOUR
HOUSE.
IS THERE ANY WAY YOU CAN PUT THE MAP BACK, THE BIG AERIAL
ONE THAT SHOWS THE WHOLE AREA?
SHE TALKED ABOUT THE ISSUES WITH DRAINAGE IN THE AREA, BUT I
THINK THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF STORM SURGE.
WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT FRESHWATER FLOODING,
BUT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT STORM SURGE.
WHEN YOU SEE THIS MAP, ONE OF THE SOLUTIONS THAT
ENVIRONMENTALISTS TALK ABOUT TO PROTECT SHORELINES IS TO
RESTORE THE MANGROVES AND NATIVE VEGETATION.
AND IN THIS CASE, THERE IS A HUGE AREA THAT THE WATER
CROSSED BEFORE IT GOT TO HER HOUSE.
HOW HIGH WAS THE WATER WHEN IT HIT YOUR HOUSE?
1:08:43PM >> 6.77 FEET.
1:08:44PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DO YOU HAVE THE MAP UP?
SO THE SHORELINE IS WHERE -- COULD YOU POINT TO THOSE KIND
OF CLOUDS AT THE TOP.
THAT IS LIKE THE SHORELINE.
POINT TO YOUR HOUSE.
IT WENT ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE NATIVE VEGETATION.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF IT WAS RESTORED, BUT IT WENT ALL

THE WAY ACROSS THERE AND WAS STILL --
1:09:05PM >> IT IS A FULL MARSH.
1:09:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
STILL HIT 6.5 FEET BY THE TIME -- AND WE SEE
IN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE BAYSIDE WEST AND CULBREATH ISLES
THAT THE SAME THING HAPPENED.
ALSO, COULD YOU TELL US REAL FAST, WHAT WAS THE OUTCOME SO
FAR -- YOU DIDN'T HAVE INSURANCE, RIGHT?
1:09:24PM >> NO, I DIDN'T HAVE INSURANCE.
MY HOUSE WAS PAID IN FULL AND I WAS GRANDFATHERED IN, AND
THERE WAS NEVER AN ISSUE IN OUR AREA.
1:09:35PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THERE ARE A LOT OF HOUSES IN THE PORT TAMPA
AREA THAT ARE MULTIGENERATIONAL HOUSES, MANY HISTORIC HOMES.
THERE IS HISTORIC AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY THERE, FOR
EXAMPLE, WHERE HOMES WERE PASSED FROM ONE GENERATION TO THE
NEXT.
AND MANY, MANY OF THEM DID NOT HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE AND
DIDN'T HAVE INSURANCE AT ALL BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE
MORTGAGES.
THEY WEREN'T REQUIRED TO HAVE IT.
YOU DIDN'T GET ANY INSURANCE MONEY.
WHAT WAS THE RESULT WITH FEMA?
DID YOU GET ANYTHING?
1:10:02PM >> $7,000.
AND THEY TOLD ME BECAUSE I BOUGHT THE HOUSE AT 50 GRAND, BUT
I PUT IN 340,000 INTO IT.

1:10:12PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK THE DAMAGES ARE?
1:10:15PM >> DON'T GO THERE.
1:10:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS IS A PROBLEM.
SOMEBODY WATCHING HAVE A SOLUTION, PLEASE HELP HER.
I KNOW THIS WILL BE HARD FOR YOU TO TELL, BUT I THINK WE
NEED TO TELL THE STORY.
YOU TALKED ABOUT THE DISABILITY OF YOUR SON.
I'LL JUST TELL PART OF THE STORY AND YOU CAN TELL THE REST.
YOU HAD JUST BOUGHT LIKE $50,000 WORTH OF EQUIPMENT, SPECIAL
BED, SPECIAL CHAIR AND OTHER EQUIPMENT.
AND TELL EVERYBODY WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT EQUIPMENT AND WHAT
FEMA OR OTHERS SAID.
WERE YOU ABLE TO REPLACE IT?
TELL US LITERALLY WHAT HAPPENED.
YOU HAD TO PICK UP YOUR SON AND CARRY HIM UPSTAIRS TO THE
THIRD FLOOR, RIGHT, DURING THE STORM.
I'M SORRY TO BRING THAT UP.
THIS IS SOMETHING A LOT OF FAMILIES HAD TO FACE.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO SHARE.
1:11:01PM >> HE JUST GOT A $32,000 SAFETY BED BECAUSE HE'S
SELF-DESTRUCTIVE AND SELF-MUTILATES.
THIS MOM WAS WORN OUT.
NOT BEING HOME, IT'S REALLY HARD.
GOT DESTROYED.
GOT IT ON MONDAY AND HELENE CAME ON WEDNESDAY.

HE ONLY GOT TO BE IN IT ONE DAY.
1:11:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DID YOU GET ANY MONEY TO REPLACE IT?
1:11:33PM >> NO, THERE WAS A WEATHER WAIVER.
THEY SAID THEY WOULD HELP ME.
AND I'M WAITING FOR THE NEW BED.
1:11:41PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE CHAIR, DO I REMEMBER 15 GRAND OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
1:11:45PM >> UM-HUM.
1:11:45PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT WAS DESTROYED TOO.
1:11:47PM >> EVERYTHING WAS DESTROYED.
1:11:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
$50,000 WORTH OF EQUIPMENT.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO CONSIDER.
1:11:51PM >> ALL MY CARS.
1:11:53PM >>BILL CARLSON:
PEOPLE WITH EQUIPMENT THAT'S DISABLED,
UNLESS THOSE HIGH-END ITEMS ARE SPECIFICALLY ITEMIZED IN
THEIR INSURANCE, THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE ANY COVERAGE FOR IT AT
ALL.
ANYWAY, I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING YOUR STORY AND TO
ALL THE HUNDREDS OF FAMILIES LIKE YOU OUT THERE, WE GRIEVE
FOR YOU AND WE'RE TRYING TO CONTINUE TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN
TO HELP.
1:12:14PM >> I REALLY WOULD LOVE TO MAKE A MOTION, IF I COULD.
1:12:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO.
ONLY WE MAKE MOTIONS.
1:12:22PM >> WELL, I WOULD LOVE FOR HIS RESIGNATION, VIK BHIDE AND

ALEX AWAD.
1:12:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS STEPHANIE POYNOR, CARROLL ANN BENNETT,
STEVE MICHELINI, ANNELIESE MEIER, MARILYN SAMAHA.
1:12:47PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOTION TO EXTEND TIME.
WHAT TIME DO YOU THINK WE NEED?
1:12:53PM >> I DON'T KNOW.
1:12:55PM >>LUIS VIERA:
1:30.
1:12:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IF WE CAN HOLD NEW BUSINESS UNTIL
TONIGHT.
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
1:13:02PM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
I'LL BE LESS THAN THREE MINUTES.
I GOT THE STORMWATER ENGINEERING LIST ALL THE EMPLOYEES.
WHEN I ADD THEM UP AND I'M COUNTING IN THE BACK AND I
REALIZED I COUNTED BEFORE, EITHER 104 OR 105, WHERE DID THE
62 NUMBER COME FROM.
AND I STILL AM KIND OF BEFUDDLED THE WHOLE STORMWATER
EMPLOYEES AND THE -- WHAT DID I FIGURE IT WAS, 78% GOING TO
PERSONNEL.
I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THIS AGAIN IN A WHILE, BUT
I MADE MY BINDER.
I'LL DIG IT BACK UP.
CARROLL ANN AND I HAVE WORKED DESPERATELY TO TEACH EVERYBODY

SOUTH OF GANDY TO REPORT FLOODING.
EVERY TIME IT RAINS, WE TELL EVERYBODY, WE BUMP OUR POST.
HERE IS THE CONNECTION.
HERE IS HOW YOU REPORT IT.
IT'S NEVER SHOWN UP ANYWHERE.
IT'S VERY DISAPPOINTING.
I'M GLAD THAT MR. BHIDE ADMITTED TO US TODAY THAT THE SYSTEM
REALLY DOESN'T WORK VERY WELL, BUT WE NEED TO GET THAT FIXED
YESTERDAY.
WHERE ARE THESE BACKUP GENERATORS GOING TO BE STORED?
WHO IS GOING TO START THEM?
HOW DO THEY ACTUALLY START?
ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THEM TEN FEET UP IN THE AIR SO THEY
WILL BE NOT BE WATERLOGGED IF A GENERATOR IS SITTING NEXT TO
SOMETHING ON THE FLOOR, IT DOESN'T DO ANY GOOD?
AND HOW MUCH IS THAT GOING TO COST TO HAVE THE PLATFORMS
BUILT TO PUT THE GENERATORS ON?
I DON'T KNOW.
CHANGES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WE'RE WORKING ON THAT,
BUT THERE'S SOME STUFF THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED.
FIRST OF ALL, THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, ESPECIALLY
IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREAS, NEEDS TO BE LESS THAN 50%.
WHY IS IT 50%?
THEN PEOPLE GO IN AND BUILD FENCES AND BUILD WALLS AND BUILD
SWIMMING POOLS AND THEN THEY BUILD -- YOU KNOW, AND THEY PUT

TURF DOWN.
THEN WE DON'T HAVE PERMEABLE SURFACES ANYMORE OR THEY TAKE
OUT THE TREES THAT THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO TAKE OUT.
ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE COASTAL AREA ACTION PLAN THAT ONE
OF THESE DAYS YOU GUYS WILL GET TO SEE IS TALKING ABOUT
REDUCING THAT PERMEABILITY.
THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED TO START TALKING TO THE
CITY ABOUT.
I THINK KATHERINE HARTLEY, WHEN SHE DID THE COASTAL ACTION
AREA PLAN, DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF TALKING ABOUT BIOSWALES.
SHE'S GOT TWO, THREE PAGES.
I SENT YOU GUYS AN E-MAIL ONE DAY WITH ALL THE IDEAS
HANDWRITTEN ON THERE.
WE NEED TO START ENCOURAGING CITIZENS TO DO THOSE THINGS ON
THEIR OWN PROPERTIES.
IF WE'RE BETTER AT EXPLAINING THESE PEOPLE, JUST LIKE THE
TURF CONVERSATION, WE HAD ALL THESE PEOPLE WHO SAID, OH,
TURF IS WONDERFUL, IT'S THE BEST.
THEY DON'T REALIZE IT ONLY MAKES FLOODING WORSE.
THANK YOU.
HAVE A GOOD DAY.
1:15:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, MA'AM.
CARROLL ANN BENNETT AND STEVE MICHELINI.
1:15:52PM >> MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.

I WANT TO SAY THAT THE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT MICHELLE IS
TALKING ABOUT WAS BUILT ON MARSHLAND.
THERE WAS A MAN -- OLD MAN WHO LIVED IN HIS HOME FOR 60
YEARS.
HIS NEIGHBORS CAME YEARS AGO AND SHOWED A PICTURE OF WHAT
THOSE APARTMENTS, HOW THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD FLOODED FOR THE
FIRST TIME BECAUSE THAT WAS MARSHLAND.
YOU HAD ALL THAT NATURAL BARRIER TO PROTECT THEM.
THAT POOR OLD MAN TRIED TO FIX THE DAMAGE HIMSELF.
HE JUST COULDN'T DO IT.
HE ENDED UP SELLING HIS HOUSE.
HE WAS LIVING THERE FOR REALLY CHEAP, CHEAPLY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM.
IT'S VERY DISTURBING TO ME THAT THINGS LIKE THIS HAPPEN.
I'M GOING TO SHOW THIS TO YOU.
I THINK THIS IS REALLY, REALLY RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT TO
CONSIDER.
1:16:39PM >> VIDEO:
PUNCH UP WEATHER 2.
LISTEN TO THIS STAT, EVERYBODY.
IN THE PAST EIGHT YEARS, WE'VE HAD EIGHT CONTINENTAL
LANDFALLS OF CAT 4 OR CAT 5s.
EIGHT IN THE PAST EIGHT YEARS.
AND THAT IS AS MANY AS WE'VE HAD IN THE 50, 70 YEARS PRIOR
TO THAT.
CAN YOU IMAGINE THAT?

LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN.
THE PAST 8 YEARS, SEVEN OF THEM BEING CONTINENTAL LANDFALLS
BUT 8 LANDFALLS OF CAT 4s AND CAT 5s, THAT'S AS MANY CAT
4s AND CAT 5 LANDFALLS THAT OCCURRED IN THE PRIOR 57
YEARS.
WE'RE SEEING A BIG SURGE IN MAJOR HURRICANES.
AND ACROSS THE GULF OF MEXICO RIGHT THERE, WE'VE HAD NINE
MAJOR HURRICANES IN EIGHT YEARS RIGHT THERE.
IN FACT, THE ONE THAT'S NOT ON THERE, LET ME GET IT UP FOR A
SECOND, ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW WHAT, ERIC, CAN YOU REACH BACK
AND GO TO THE END OF THE TIMELINE ON THAT GRAPHIC?
IF YOU GO TO THE END OF THE GRAPHIC, YOU'LL SEE HELENE POPS
UP.
THAT'S PRETTY ASTONISHING.
YOU KNOW ABOUT THE STUDY I DID WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF
ENERGY.
ERIC, YOU KNOW ABOUT IT TOO.
WE DID A STUDY AND WE LOOKED AT THE FUTURE.
OKAY, WATER TEMPERATURES ARE WARMING.
AIR TEMPERATURES ARE WARMING.
THIS IS WHAT WE FOUND.
AT THE END OF THE CENTURY, SECOND HALF OF THE CENTURY, OUR
COMPUTER MODELS, WE USE NINE BIG HARDY CLIMATE MODELS TO DO
THIS, SAY THAT OUR MAJOR HURRICANE LANDFALLS IN FLORIDA, AND
ESPECIALLY IN THE TAMPA, AND EVERYWHERE IN FLORIDA,

ESPECIALLY TAMPA DOWN TO MIAMI AND INCLUDING FORT MYERS,
WILL INCREASE BY THREE TIMES.
INSTEAD OF SEEING A MAJOR HURRICANE LANDFALL ONCE EVERY
HUNDRED YEARS FOR ANYONE COUNTING, WE'RE LIKELY TO SEE IT
THREE TIMES, ONCE EVERY 30 YEARS.
IN ADDITION, WE'LL BE -- WHAT WE FOUND IN THE STUDY IS WE
WOULD SEE ABOUT A 20% INCREASE IN THE MAXIMUM INTENSITY OF
WINDS.
20% IS A LOT.
MEANS 150-MILE AN HOUR STORMS BECOMES 180-MILE AN HOUR
STORM.
MAXIMUM RAINFALL RATES INCREASED BY 50%.
INSTEAD OF GETTING RAINFALL RATES OF LIKE THREE INCHES AN
HOUR, YOU END UP WITH RAINFALL RATES OF LIKE FIVE INCHES PER
HOUR.
ALL THOSE THINGS BECAUSE THE ATMOSPHERE IS WARMING DUE TO
CLIMATE CHANGE.
THAT IS THE RESULT OF IT RIGHT THERE.
ALL THESE EXCESS MAJOR HURRICANES MAKING LANDFALL IN THE
U.S.
AS MANY IN THE PAST SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS AS WE'VE SEEN THE
PRIOR 57 YEARS.
IT'S AN INSURANCE NIGHTMARE.
AS AN INSURANCE COMPANY, HOW DO YOU DO BUSINESS IN A PLACE
THAT GETS THIS MANY MAJOR HURRICANES?

BECOMES VERY DIFFICULT.
1:19:11PM >> LET ME JUST SAY, THAT WAS BEFORE MILTON.
THAT WAS BEFORE MILTON.
HE DIDN'T COUNT HELENE AND THIS WAS SEPTEMBER, IT WAS BEFORE
MILTON.
SO --
1:19:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, SIR, MR. MICHELINI, MARILYN, AND ANNELIESE MEIER IS OUR
LAST SPEAKER.
1:19:29PM >> SEVERAL YEARS AGO, MR. MIRANDA POINTED OUT THAT THE
STORMWATER MAINTENANCE CREW WAS A GENTLEMAN WITH A PICKUP
TRUCK, WEED WHACKER AND MOWER AND HE STOPPED IT.
THIS KIND OF MAINTENANCE HAS GOT TO STOP.
WE NEED TO GET INTO SOME REALLY SERIOUS MAINTENANCE.
TWO YEARS TO WAIT FOR THIS TO HAPPEN IS TOO LONG.
I WOULD ASK THE CITY COUNCIL TO AT LEAST CONSIDER AN
IMMEDIATE INSERTION OF FUNDS, IF THE CITY CAN'T DO IT, THEN
GO OUT TO A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR THAT CAN MAINTAIN THESE
DITCHES, MAINTAIN THESE PONDS.
I'LL JUST SHOW YOU ONE PICTURE QUICKLY THAT'S OVER IN THE
SOHO DISTRICT.
IT DOESN'T FUNCTION.
THE OUTFALL IS BROKEN.
THE DITCHES ARE OVERGROWN WITH TREES, NOT JUST SHRUBBERY,
TREES.

IT'S JUST RIDICULOUS.
MAINTENANCE IS A CRITICAL ISSUE AND IT IS AN IMMEDIATE
ISSUE.
CONSIDER LOOKING AT THE EXISTING STORMWATER SYSTEM AND
INTERCONNECTING THE PIPES THAT ARE THERE.
MANY OF THESE PIPES DON'T CONNECT TO OTHER PIPES.
THEY GO AROUND IN A CIRCUITOUS MANNER.
THEY EVENTUALLY GO EITHER DOWN MacDILL OR THEY GO DOWN
AND THEY CONNECT TO THE POND THERE DOWN ROME.
THEY GO IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
BEING IN A FLOOD ZONE OR NOT BEING IN A FLOOD ZONE DOES NOT
GUARANTEE THAT YOU WILL BE SAFE.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
THE INTERSECTION NEAR MY HOUSE, SUNSET, PROSPECT AND WATROUS
FLOODS EVERY RAIN.
NOT EVERY HARD RAIN -- EVERY RAIN.
STORMWATER INLETS ARE UPHILL FROM THE BASIN.
I'VE TALKED TO VIK ABOUT IT AND THERE SIMPLY ISN'T ANY MONEY
TO ADDRESS THAT RIGHT NOW.
BUT THIS CONDITION EXISTS ALL OVER THE CITY, WHERE THESE
INLETS DON'T FUNCTION BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT DESIGNED
PROPERLY, THEY DON'T INTERCONNECT WITH ANYTHING.
THE INLETS BY THEIR OWN REPORT, BY THE JMT REPORT, THE
INLETS, MANY OF THE STORMWATER INLETS ARE TOO SMALL.
THEY ARE DESIGNED TO BE SMALL BECAUSE THEY CAN'T ACCEPT ALL

THE WATER FLOW THAT'S COMING DOWN.
MR. CARLSON, COUNCILMAN CARLSON MENTIONED THE PROVISION FOR
AN IMMEDIATE SOLUTION FOR PARKLAND, WHICH WAS IT'S ALREADY
BEEN DESIGNED.
JMT DESIGNED IT, AT LEAST SCHEMATICALLY THEY HAVE DESIGNED
IT.
TO PUT IN A RETENTION VAULT WITH A PUMP STATION.
IT'S ALREADY THERE.
WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND ANOTHER TWO YEARS DESIGNING A SYSTEM.
THE DIAGRAMS.
THE DIAGRAMS, THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN SPEC'D OUT FOR THE
PUMPS, WHAT SIZE PUMPS THEY NEED.
IT IS IN THE JMT REPORT THAT THEY USED AS A BACKUP.
IT'S IN THEIR BACKGROUND REPORT.
IT EXISTS IN THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.
IT'S THERE.
WE NEED TO PULL THESE PLANS OFF THE SHELF AND GET TO WORK ON
THIS IMMEDIATELY.
CONSIDER CHANGING -- JUST ANOTHER COUPLE OF SECONDS.
CONSIDER CHANGING THE BUILDING RULES.
YOU DON'T GET AN INCENTIVE FOR PUTTING IN PERVIOUS CONCRETE.
YOU GET A DISINCENTIVE.
IF YOU WANT TO PUT IN A DRIVEWAY AND PUT IN A PERVIOUS
CONCRETE, WHICH IS REQUIRED.
YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE THE DRIVEWAY THERE, GIVE THEM A

BONUS OF SOME KIND TO PUT IN SOMETHING THAT'S PERVIOUS, THAT
HELPS THE PERCOLATION.
LOOK AT SOME OF THESE OTHER DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDING CODES
THAT ARE DISINCENTIVES FOR STORMWATER.
YOU'RE GOING BACK AND TRYING TO RETROFIT THE EXISTING
CONDITIONS FROM A HUNDRED YEARS AGO, SOME OF THESE SITES
WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
1:23:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD ENTER THOSE INTO
THE RECORD.
IF YOU HAVE THE WHOLE REPORT, IF YOU COULD E-MAIL IT TO US,
I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
1:23:24PM >> I WOULD BE HAPPY TO E-MAIL TO COUNCIL.
IT CONTAINS A LOT OF RECOMMENDATIONS.
1:23:28PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I HAVE A CITY CALL I HAVE TO DO.
I WAS SUPPOSED TO DO IT AT 1:15.
I'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
1:23:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MARILYN SAMAHA.
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
1:23:43PM >> MARILYN SAMAHA.
I LIVE AT 3224 WEST PARKLAND BOULEVARD.
I WANT TO START OUT WITH SAYING I HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME
WITH YOU ON TV THIS WEEK.
I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR TIME AND EFFORT IN
LISTENING.

I DON'T KNOW.
YOU ALL ARE GREAT.
1:24:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I GET TO TALK TO MY WIFE.
1:24:12PM >> I BELIEVE IT.
I WANT TO START WITH THAT.
I WANT TO START WITH THAT.
THANK YOU.
I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE I'M ON THE BOARD OF PARKLAND ESTATES
CIVIC CLUB.
I JUST WANT TO REITERATE, WE ARE THE ONLY OFFICIAL CIVIC
ASSOCIATION FOR PARKLAND ESTATES.
WE'RE REGISTERED WITH THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
WE HAVE BYLAWS, AND WE ARE ELECTED OFFICIALS, JUST LIKE YOU,
FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO DISCOUNT THAT AND
SAY OTHER THINGS, BUT THAT'S WHY I'M HERE.
I'M SORRY THAT THE KIND OF BRUSH-OVER OF THE DETENTION PONDS
NORTH OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WERE KIND OF GLOSSED OVER.
AND I WOULD LIKE JUST TO ADDRESS THOSE.
I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GET IT TODAY IN A WRITTEN REPORT,
BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A FULL ASSESSMENT AND BE REPORTING
BACK TO YOU ABOUT THE DETENTION PONDS THAT ARE UNDERNEATH
THE MEMORIAL HOTEL -- I MEAN, HOTEL, HILARIOUS -- HOSPITAL.
UNDER THEIR PARKING LOT AND THE OTHER TWO THAT ARE NORTH,
KIND OF EAST OF THAT.

TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, THEY HAVE GLOWING RECORDS OF LAPSED
PERMITTING AND MAINTENANCE.
SOME OF THEM ARE NOT EVEN PERMITTED RIGHT NOW.
SO WE'RE NOT SURE WHO IS TAKING CARE OF THEM, WHO IS
RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM, SO THAT IS A BIG THING, BECAUSE ALL
THAT WATER COMES OVER THOSE AND COMES RIGHT DOWN ALBANY AND
COMES RIGHT DOWN ARMENIA.
THAT'S ONE THING.
FOUNTAIN PARK, WE'VE ASKED FOR THIS.
IT CANNOT BE THAT DIFFICULT TO SEE IF THE GIANT -- AND I
MEAN IT WAS A GIANT POOL THAT WAS IN FOUNTAIN PARK, IS IT
STILL THERE?
IS IT STILL UNDER THE DIRT?
I CAN IMAGINE A COUPLE OF BORINGS WOULD FIGURE THAT OUT.
AND IF IT IS, IT'S HUGE.
IT'S HUGE.
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT EITHER YEA OR NAY SO WE CAN
KNOW WHAT THAT SURFACE IS LIKE UNDER THERE.
THE ALBANY POND OVER BY WINN DIXIE HAS BEEN MENTIONED
SEVERAL TIMES.
IT NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED AND CLEANED OUT.
IT IS AN EYESORE OVER THERE, AND IT'S NOT WORKING.
SO IT'S COMING THIS WAY.
AGAIN, THE STORMWATER INLETS, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THEM ALL
INSPECTED.

WHEN WE GET ANOTHER TRUCK.
I CAN'T BELIEVE WE ONLY HAVE ONE TV TRUCK, BUT WE'D LIKE TO
HAVE THOSE WITH CAMERAS THROUGHOUT OUR WHOLE WATERSHED.
AND TO DISTINGUISH WHAT'S GOING ON DOWN THERE.
I WOULD LIKE A LOT MORE COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
WE AS A CIVIC ASSOCIATION HAVE REACHED OUT TO YOU MANY, MANY
TIMES.
WE REACHED OUT TO THE MAYOR.
ALSO REACHED OUT TO VIK.
IT HAS TAKEN US TEN MONTHS TO GET A MEETING WITH VIK, WHICH
IS COMING UP.
AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE GET TO ACTUALLY
TALK ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK ALL OF THAT NEEDS TO BE CONTINUED
SO THAT THE NEIGHBORS CAN TRUST WHAT'S GOING ON.
WE CAN TRUST EACH OTHER BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I THINK THAT'S
VERY IMPORTANT COMMUNICATION.
BECAUSE THERE IS A SOLUTION NOT ONLY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO
FLOODED BUT THE PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T FLOOD AND THE PEOPLE THAT
MAY FLOOD IN THE FUTURE.
SO WE'RE A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE.
AND WE ARE TRYING OUR BEST TO HELP FIND THE SOLUTION THAT
WILL BE BENEFICIAL TO EVERYONE.
SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT I HAVE TO SAY TODAY.
THANK YOU AGAIN.

I APPRECIATE IT.
1:28:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
OUR CLOSER TODAY IS ANNELIESE MEIER.
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK WISHES TO SPEAK FIRST.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND THEN YOU.
YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
1:28:16PM >> ANNELIESE MEIER.
I AM NOT ON THE BOARD ANY LONGER, BUT WE HAVE STARTED A
HISTORIC PARKLAND ESTATES PRESERVATION SOCIETY.
I AM PART OF THAT.
LET ME JUST SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES TO START WITH.
I MIGHT GO OVER BY A MINUTE, IF YOU'LL ALLOW ME.
THIS IS MORRISON AVENUE RIGHT BY THE CROSSTOWN.
THERE IS A BROKEN PIPE UNDERNEATH THERE.
IT IS NOT A CSX PROBLEM.
IT IS A CITY PROBLEM.
HERE IS THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT PIPE.
THIS IS AFTER IT WAS CLEANED BY CSX.
NOW, THERE IS AN AREA ON THE CROSSTOWN NOBODY KNOWS WHO OWNS
IT.
NOBODY KNOWS WHO MAINTAINS IT, AND IT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE
BERNS, HYDE PARK, UP TO SWANN AVENUE AREA.
THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE.
IT TAKES GETTING ON THE PHONE A COUPLE OF TIMES FROM
DEPARTMENT TO MAYBE THEA, MAYBE CSX.

YOU CAN GET A HOLD OF THESE PEOPLE.
THIS IS AFTER CLEANING.
THAT'S A LITTLE LESS THAN HALFWAY THAT THAT PIPE CAN GO.
OH, WE HAVE TONS OF PICTURES.
AND, BY THE WAY, YOU'VE RECEIVED THESE PICTURES BEFORE FROM
PAM CANNELLA AND OTHER PEOPLE.
MANY, MANY TIMES.
SO YOU HAVE THESE PICTURES.
WHY ARE WE STALLING?
I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
HERE YOU GO.
THERE'S SOME MORE TREES THERE.
THERE'S ACTUALLY A TENT BACK HERE.
HOMELESS PEOPLE ARE LIVING BACK THERE.
THERE IS A DRAINAGE DITCH COVERED WITH DEBRIS AND DIRT TAKEN
BEFORE THE HURRICANE.
THAT'S MORE NORTH, CLOSER TO SWANN AND A CULVERT HERE
COVERED UP.

NOW GRANTED, THIS CAN HAPPEN -- THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN THROUGH
-- THAT IS NOT A THREE-MONTH GROWTH.
THAT IS A LONGER GROWTH, AND WE CAN DO BETTER.
MY GROUP IS NOW WORKING WITH CONCORDIA PARK, BAYSHORE GARDENS,
PALMA CEIA, NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, HOWARD AVENUE BUSINESS
ALLIANCE, FOREST HILLS, BEACH PARK AND VIRGINIA PARK.
THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE CONTACTED ME PERSONALLY,
SOMEBODY FROM THEM HAVE CONTACTED ME PERSONALLY FROM MY POST
ON NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR.
BY THE WAY, MY POSTS HAVE NOW BEEN TAKEN REALLY FAR DOWN.
BUT I AM GOING TO TELL YOU I HAD THREE POSTS ON THERE RIGHT
AFTER THE HURRICANE REVIEWED BY 30,000 PEOPLE.
I AM ASKING FOR DETAIL ON THE STORMWATER ASSESSMENT FUNDS.
I WANT TO KNOW WHERE EXACTLY THEY ARE GOING, THE TAXES.
WHERE ARE THEY GOING?
I WANT LINE ITEMS.
NOT ONLY DO I WANT THIS, BUT THESE NEIGHBORHOODS WANT THIS.
THEY ELECTED ME TO COME HERE TODAY.
WE ALSO WANT TO KNOW WHAT EQUIPMENT THE DEPARTMENT HAS TO
MAINTAIN THE STORMWATER MAINTENANCE.
BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ENOUGH.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE ALL THEIR EQUIPMENT WENT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DONE WITH THEIR MAINTENANCE MONEY.
I DO KNOW FOR YEARS -- AND I BROUGHT THIS TO YOU RIGHT AFTER
THE HURRICANES, THE CULVERTS WE EXIST -- THE BOX CULVERTS WE
HAVE TODAY ARE NOT BEING MAINTAINED
THEY ASK FOR MONEY EVERY YEAR, IT IS RIGHT THIS ON THE WEB
SITE UNLESS IT HAS BEEN TAKEN DOWN, ASK FOR MONEY EVERY
YEAR.
THEY GOT 1,000 TWO YEARS AGO.
NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO MAINTAIN THE CULVERT.
THOSE ARE THE EXISTING CULVERTS AROUND THE CITY.
WHAT ARE THERE, 200 OF THEM, VIK?
ANOTHER 200 DOWN HOWARD AVENUE AND MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOW
CAN WE DO THIS AND NOT MAINTAIN WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE?
WE CAN'T.
WE WANT TO KNOW ALSO ALL THE CURRENT POSITIONS IN THE
MAINTENANCE PEOPLE.
WE WANT TO KNOW.
YOU CAN PUT INITIALS.
I WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY POSITIONS ARE FILLED.
I WANT TO KNOW OPEN POSITIONS.
POSITIONS WE CAN'T SEEM TO HIRE FOR AND WHY.
WE DO NOT BELIEVE THE DEPARTMENT IS EQUIPPED TO HANDLE OUR
CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS.
WE HEARD THAT, BUT CLEARLY THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO
THIS FOR THE LAST 14 YEARS.
THAT IS A CRITICAL NUMBER, 14 YEARS.
YOU CAN GO BACK.
WE KEEP HEARING THE DEPARTMENT IS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND
THIS IS NOT TRUE.
COMMUNICATION IS BAD.
WE WENT THROUGH MICHELLE ROBINSON GROUP AND I DON'T KNOW
MAYBE THINGS GOT LOST.
I DON'T KNOW.
I AM STILL WORKING FOR THE BRISTOL AVENUE FILM THAT WAS
PRESENTED AT THE -- AT THE BID OPENING.
THAT HAS DISAPPEARED, AND I WAS THERE.
I SAW IT.
THE DEPARTMENT JUST TOLD YOU THEY ARE DOING MAINTENANCE AND
THEY ARE ASKING FOR MORE MONEY.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THIS DEPARTMENT IS MADE MORE
ACCOUNTABLE BEFORE THIS GETS TO A STATE OF FEDERAL -- GETS
TO THE STATE OR FEDERAL INQUIRY LEVEL.
BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO.
YOU KNOW IT.
AND EVERYBODY UP THERE TALKS ABOUT BEING FISCALLY PRUDENT,
BUT WE ONLY TALK ABOUT IT.
I HEARD THAT TALK THE OTHER NIGHT WHEN I WAS HERE.
AGAIN, I AM GOING TO TELL YOU, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING
BEFORE THIS GETS TO A STATE OR FEDERAL INQUIRY.
WE ARE PULLING PUBLIC RECORDS LEFT AND RIGHT, AND WE ARE
GOING TO PULL MORE.
THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE FOUND ALREADY THAT I AM NOT GOING
TO TALK ABOUT, BUT I WILL TELL YOU ONE THING, YOU WERE LIED
TO.
THE $10 MILLION OR WHATEVER IT IS, NOW IT IS CALLED A
COMMITMENT FROM THE EXPRESSWAY AUTHORITY.
THAT PAPERWORK HAS NOT BEEN SIGNED.
NO AGREEMENT THEY ARE GOING TO GIVE YOU MONEY.
WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS THIS.
THEIR BIDS CAME IN AT TWICE THEY THOUGHT.
$300 MILLION.
NOW IT IS $600 MILLION.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO EXPAND THE CROSSTOWN RIGHT NOW.
YOU CAN PET THAT $10 MILLION SUPPOSEDLY IN LEGAL.
WHO KNOWS.
BUT I HAVE THE E-MAILS FROM THEA DIRECTOR THAT MONEY IS NOT
THERE YET.
YOU WERE LED TO BELIEVE SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED, MAY
NOT HAPPEN, SO WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GET THE MONEY?
I THINK THE MONEY SHOULD BE ON MAINTENANCE RIGHT NOW BEFORE
WE START DIGGING UP OUR STREETS.
AND I AM GOING TO TELL YOU ANOTHER THING.
I AM A GIS PERSON.
I USED TO DO MAPPING FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE GIS MAPS WE HAVE, WE HAVE LOOKED AT THEM.
ONE MAP HAS SOMETHING THE NEXT ONE DOESN'T.
THE LAYER OF MAP IS NOT CORRECT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE STUDENTS DOING THEM OR PEOPLE WHO
NEVER LIVED HERE BEFORE AND THAT IS A LOT.
WE LOST A LOT OF OUR HISTORY WITH PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHERE WE
ARE.
IT IS NOT MAPPED PROPERLY.
WE HONESTLY -- WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS DOWN THERE A LOT.
A YEAR AGO I ASKED FOR THE DEPARTMENT TO GO OUT AND CHECK
THE FOUNTAIN PARK THAT MARYLAND JUST TALKED ABOUT.
IT STILL HAS NOT BEEN CHECKED.
I TOLD YOU SOIL BORING DONE.
NO SOIL BORING DONE, NOT ON MY STREET.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE OUTLINE OF A POOL.
A HUGE POOL PUT BACK IN THE 1930s.
IT WAS AMAZING.
YOU GO SEE THE CONCRETE OUTLINE.
THAT LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT WAS THERE.
THAT IS A MINOR PROBLEM OF THE WHOLE SYSTEM.
THE PALMA CEIA PINES NEIGHBORHOOD ABSOLUTELY NEEDS TO IT BE
LOOKED AT.
THERE ARE NO PERMITS FOR ANYTHING UNDER MEMORIAL HOSPITAL.
THE PERMIT FOR THE OFFICE BUILDING TO THE NORTH.
THERE IS NO PERMIT THERE.
IT HAVEN'T BEEN INSPECTED.
THE DUCK PARK ON AUDUBON HAS GONE IN AND OUT OF PERMITTING.
S.W.F.W.M.D. SENDS A LETTER TO THE DEPARTMENT, A REMINDER
LETTER.
THIS NEEDS TO BE PERMITTED.
NOTHING HAPPENS.
IT GOT REPERMITTED.
I AM NOT SURE IF IT IS PERMITTED NOW.
IT DID GET -- A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER IT GOT PERMITTED
AGAIN.
ALL OF THIS IS ON THE S.W.F.W.M.D. SITE.
I HAVE BEEN GOING INTO DEMAND STAR.
HE CAN SEE WHAT CONTRACTORS ARE ASKING.
IT IS NOT A PRETTY SITUATION.
A FEW OF YOU -- AND TWO ARE NOT HERE TODAY -- A FEW OF YOU
ARE GOING TO BE RUNNING FOR MAYOR.
01:36:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NOT ME.
01:36:17PM >> WELL, AT LEAST ONE OR TWO OF YOU WILL BE A FUTURE MAYOR.
DO YOU WANT TO INHERIT THIS PROBLEM?
DO YOU REALLY WANT TO INHERIT THIS PROBLEM?
YOU ARE ABOUT READY TO GIVE AWAY $56 MILLION.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH FOR THE RIVERWALK.
WHEN WE NEED TO DO THIS.
THE RIVERWALK CAN BE -- YOU KNOW WHO CAN PAY FOR THAT?
THE RELATED GROUP CAN PAY FOR IT
AND SO CAN OTHER BUSINESSES PAY FOR IT.
AND DON'T BE TELLING ME IT WILL BE USED AS TRANSPORTATION
FOR POOR PEOPLE TO GO TO THEIR JOBS.
NO, IT'S NOT.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TRANSPORTATION BECAUSE MOST OF
PEOPLE IN WEST TAMPA DO NOT WORK IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA.
01:36:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
01:36:54PM >> THANK YOU.
01:36:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
YES, MA'AM.
01:36:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
SO IT'S CLEAR -- I THINK ONE THING NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A MONTHLY STATUS REPORT.
IT JUST SEEMS VERY CLEAR THAT WE NEED TO DO A MONTHLY STATUS
REPORT.
I WILL WORK WITH A COUPLE OF FOLKS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT
STATUS IS GOING TO BE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I HAVE GOT A FEW
THINGS IN MIND.
I AM GOING TO TALK WITH VIK.
I WILL TAKE SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS THE PUBLIC HAS MADE TO
PUT THAT TOGETHER, BUT IT WILL INCLUDE THINGS -- I'M GOING
TO ASK FOR A REPORT -- AND I WILL TRY -- I WILL PUT THESE
MOTIONS TOGETHER TODAY AND I WILL DO THEM TONIGHT.
BUT I WANT TO DO PROBABLY A MONTHLY REPORT OF WHERE WE ARE,
WHAT WE ARE DOING, THE TYPES OF CULVERTS WE CLEANED OUT.
THAT SORT OF THING.
I AGREE WITH A COUPLE OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTER THAT WE NEED
AN ACCOUNTING FOR THE FUNDING FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THE
STAFFING FOR ALL THE MAINTENANCE WORK, AND STORMWATER PONDS
AND THEIR PERMITS.
AGAIN, MOTIONS HE WILL MAKE LATER TODAY WHEN I FULLY HAVE
ALL OF MY THOUGHTS TOGETHER.
BUT, ALSO, HOPEFULLY SOME MONEY FOR THE FOUNTAIN PARK SOIL
BORING.
I THINK IF NOTHING ELSE, THAT WILL ANSWER THE COMMUNITY'S
QUESTIONS.
AND I THINK ANY MONEY SPENT IN THAT WILL BE -- WILL BE WELL
SPENT.
I ALSO WANT TO MAKE A MOTION THIS EVENING FOR VIK'S ASK FOR
$500,000.
WE CAN'T MAKE THOSE MOTIONS RIGHT NOW.
SO I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION LATER FOR FUNDING.
BUT, AGAIN, I WILL WORK WITH VIK AND A COUPLE OF OTHERS THIS
AFTERNOON TO COME UP WITH THOSE MOTIONS.
BECAUSE THE PUBLIC HAS MADE GOOD POINTS.
AND I FEEL LIKE THIS IS SORT OF A NELSON ISSUE.
NOT REALLY THAT THINGS ARE -- I THINK THE COMMUNITY JUST --
PART OF WHAT WILL MAKE PEOPLE FEEL BETTER IS A CONTINUAL
REMINDER OF WHERE WE ARE, WHAT WE ARE DOING, THE TYPES OF
MOVEMENT -- OF MOVEMENT THAT IS COMING, YOU KNOW HOW MUCH WE
ARE CLEARING.
WHAT THINGS LOOK LIKE.
AND I THINK -- WE ALL HAVE A LOT OF PS -- OR PTS --
01:39:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
D?
01:39:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DISORDER -- A DOCTOR HAS TO DIAGNOSE YOU WITH
THAT.
POST TRAUMATIC STRESS IS REAL FOR ALMOST EVERY TAMPANO.
I CRIED A BUNCH TODAY, BECAUSE JUST THE TRAUMA OF BRINGING
IT BACK.
I AM TEARING UP NOW.
IT'S -- WE JUST NEED MORE CONSTANT REPORTING TO TALK ABOUT
WHERE WE ARE, WHAT WE ARE DOING, MAKE PEOPLE FEEL MORE
COMFORTABLE.
WHAT THE -- WHERE THESE -- WHERE THESE GENERATORS ARE GOING
TO GO.
SOME PUMP STATIONS FLOODED.
SO WE CAN'T HAVE A GENERATOR -- I KNOW -- I AM HEARING THE
QUESTIONS THE COMMUNITY IS ALREADY MEALING ME WHICH I CAN'T
SEE BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE MY PHONE UP HERE.
BUT I KNOW PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED OF THOSE THINGS AS WELL.
AS WE MOVE FORWARD, MAYBE QUICK UPDATES ONCE A MONTH ON
THAT.
AND LIKE I SAID I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION LATER.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE FOR COMING TODAY.
THESE ARE GOOD STORY.
GOOD THINGS WE NEED TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT.
IF I HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS MONTHLY, WE CAN CONTINUE TO
TALK ABOUT IT, BECAUSE WE CAN'T FORGET IT.
I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S TIME TODAY.
01:40:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
01:41:49PM >> I SAW THE SAME INDIVIDUAL ON THE SAME TRUCK WITH THE SAME
WEED EATER TO WITH THE DITCHES ALONG THE TRUCK AND BIGGER
ONE TIME AND MUCH SMALLER NOW.
THAT IS WHEN I GOT INVOLVED AND STARTED LOOKING AT THE
PROCESS ONE WAS WAY LOW, THE SECOND AND THIRD AND THE FOURTH
WAS THE ORIGINAL BIDDER.
IT WENT ON THIS TIME, WE WORKED WITH THE INDIVIDUALS, AND
GUESS WHAT HAPPENED, THE FIRST BIDDER THEN HAD ALL THE
EQUIPMENT NEEDED FOR THE JOB.
MAYBE HE PUT IT DOWN, BUT HE DIDN'T HAVE IT.
THE SECOND AND THIRD BIDDER WAS REAL CLOSE.
WHEN YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT CLOSE AND THEN TOO MUCH
DISPARITY BETWEEN ONE AND FOUR, THERE IS A PROBLEM, POSSIBLY
COLLUSION.
I AM NOT SAYING THERE WAS, AMONG THE BIDDERS.
BUT SO HAPPY THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY HAD THAT
CONTRACT FOR JUNE, JULY, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER OF 2014, THE
ORIGINAL BIDDER HAD IT COME IN AND CLEAN UP WHAT THE FIRST
BIDDER DIDN'T DO.
THAT MIGHT BE A PROBLEM -- I'M NOT SAYING IT IS.
AT LEAST LET ME SAY THAT.
I AM NOT SAYING IT IS, BUT MAYBE THEY WERE TOO FAR BEHIND
BECAUSE THE RAINY SEASON.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
BUT THOSE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DONE, CERTIFIED AND PAID.
DONE, CERTIFIED AND PAID.
FOUR TIMES EQUAL ONE YEAR.
WHETHER IT IS OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT I AM GOING TO ASK FOR COUNCIL'S PERMISSION FOR US TO
RECEIVE THE LAST TWO YEARS OF THE BID PROCESS, WHO DID THE
JOB?
DID THEY HAVE THE EQUIPMENT?
AND WAS THE JOB DONE PROPERLY?
AND SOMEONE HAS TO OKAY IT AT THE END OF THAT QUARTER.
THE LAST TWO YEARS REPORT TO COME IN TO FIND OUT WHERE WE
WERE AND WHAT WE ARE DOING.
I AM NOT SAYING SOMETHING IS WRONG, BUT I WANT TO CLARIFY
EVERYONE'S MIND THAT MAYBE THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG AND FIND
SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
I APPRECIATE THAT PART.
THESE THINGS ARE DONE AN A REGULAR BASIS AND I AM SURE THEY
HAVE A SYSTEM WHERE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO CHECK OUT BECAUSE
IF NOT NOBODY WOULD GET PAID.
BUT SOMEBODY HAS TO OKAY THAT QUARTERLY PAYMENT.
THAT I KNOW FOR A FACT.
I AM SORRY, YOUNG LADY, ONE THING IN MY MIND THAT I WANTED
TO DISCUSS THAT YOU BROUGHT UP.
BUT RIGHT NOW MY MIND IS FULL OF SO MANY THINGS THAT CAME UP
TODAY THAT I FORGOT WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU BECAUSE OF
SO MANY THINGS THAT HAPPENED.
YOU BROUGHT UP THE POINT, AND I FORGOT WHAT THAT POINT IS, I
WILL BE VERY FRANK WITH YOU, AMONG THE OTHER THINGS THAT I
HAVE IN MY MIND AND IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT YOU LOOK AT THINGS
-- LITTLE THINGS DON'T MEAN ANYTHING IF YOU LOOK AT THEM BY
THEMSELVES.
YOU GET TEN LITTLE THINGS AND EQUAL THE SUMS OF THOSE DIGITS
IT CAUSES ONE HELL OF A BIG PROBLEM.
THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO AVOID.
01:44:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHATEVER IT IS, IT IS.
I AM NOT HERE TO BLAME ANYONE IN THE CITY.
I'M HERE TO FIX WHAT EVERYONE COULDN'T SEE.
AND EVEN THE WEATHERMAN SAID IT IS COMING STRAIGHT AT US AND
TURNED -- THANK GOD IT DID.
IF IT DIDN'T, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE TODAY, BECAUSE THE WATER
COMING IN WOULD HAVE BEEN ATROCIOUS.
YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BELIEVE IT, BUT DURING THE GRECO
ADMINISTRATION, HE STUDIED IT.
I WAS IN THE OFFICE OF JAMIE -- JAMIE PALERMO
AND DICK GRECO AND THEY TALKED OF THE SOUTH END OF THE TOWN.
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND CAN'T DO ANYTHING BUT PUMP THE WATER
25, 30 MILES.
WATER DOESN'T GO UP STREAM BY ITSELF.
YOU NEED ELECTRICITY.
BUY AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF LAND AND BUY A RESERVOIR TO PUT
THE WATER IN.
THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN FIX THE FLOODING PROBLEM AT THAT TIME.
I REMEMBER THE CONVERSATION, THE GATHERING, THE DETAILS
WHERE I DIDN'T SEE, AND I AM SURE IT IS SO EXPENSIVE THEY
COULDN'T AFFORD IT.
THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE WANTING TO DO.
GRECO ADMINISTRATION WANTED TO CHANGE THE WAY THEY PUMP THE
WATER.
IT WAS IN THE BILLIONS BACK IN THE '90s.
YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT IT IS TODAY.
WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO TO FIX IT, WE WILL TRY.
AND WORK WITH THE COUNCILMEMBERS AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.
AND I AM NOT AGAINST ANYONE IN THAT DEPARTMENT FOR A FIRING
OR ANYTHING ELSE.
I NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED.
I AM NOT GOING TO SAY I AM GOING TO CURE THE PROBLEM.
JUST LIKE GOING TO A MEDICAL OFFICE.
THEY DON'T OPERATE UNTIL THEY FIND OUT WHAT IS WRONG WITH
YOU.
THAT IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
MAKE SURE WHATEVER THE CAUSE IS THAT CAUSED THIS IS
ERADICATED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE TODAY THOUGH.
01:46:13PM >> THANK YOU.
01:46:14PM >> THANK YOU.
01:46:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:46:16PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING AND
SHARING THEIR STORIES.
I WANT TO SAY FOR THE PUBLIC BEHIND EVERY PERSON MO SPOKE
TODAY, THERE ARE HUNDREDS IN THE COMMUNITY WHO HAVE LIKED TO
HAVE SPOKEN TODAY.
MANY ARE WORKING.
THE GREAT THING ARE THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT FLOODED READY ALL
COORDINATING RIGHT NOW.
IF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT COORDINATING CONSTANT T.H.A.N.,
THE CITY WIDE COORDINATION.
PART OF WHAT THEY ARE COORDINATING BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED IN
PARKLAND ESTATES.
CONFLICT IN PARKLAND ESTATES THAT NOBODY SEEN ANYWHERE ELSE.
IT WAS UNNECESSARY AND SHOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE COLLABORATE, BECAUSE WE ALL
HAVE SIMILAR PROBLEMS.
WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THE MAINTENANCE THAT HAS BEEN
DONE.
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SCHEDULED BACK EVEN IN THE LAST
ADMINISTRATION SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD THE KIND OF FLOODING
WE HAD.
BUT WE HAVE $65 MILLION IN THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT WHICH WE
KNOW FROM MANY SOURCES IS NOT GOING TO WORK.
AND GOING TO PROVIDE NO PROTECTION TO PARKLAND ESTATES OR
PALMA CEIA PINES FOR FOUR YEARS.
WHY WOULD WE ACCEPT THAT WHEN WE DON'T NEED TO.
ALSO PROBABLY $56 MILLION OF INTEREST ON TOP OF IT.
$10 MILLION.
WE WERE TOLD IN THE MEETING THAT THE HOWARD AVENUE.
THAT THE EXPRESSWAY AUTHORITY WAS CONTRIBUTING $11 MILLION.
WE KNOW THROUGH PUBLIC RECORDS THAT THEA HAS NOT APPROVED
$11 MILLION AND MAY NOT EVEN ANY TIME SOON.
SO ON THAT BASIS, I WAS ONE OF THE DISSENTERS WHO VOTED
AGAINST THAT PROJECT.
ON THAT BASIS -- ON THAT BASIS ALONE, DESPITE ALL THE OTHER
OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE THAT SHOWN THAT THE PROJECT DOESN'T
WORK, SOMEBODY ON THE PREVAILING SIDE THAT VOTED FOR THIS
PROJECT SHOULD MAKE A MOTION IN THE UPCOMING PART OF THE
MEETINGS TO RECONSIDER THAT MOTION TO GET RID OF THAT
PROJECT.
AND GO BACK AND DO A REAL ANALYSIS.
WHY WAS THERE POLITICS IN PARKLAND ESTATES?
PARKLAND ESTATES -- PARKLAND ESTATES NEIGHBORS HAVE DONE
PUBLIC RECORDS NOW AND WE KNOW WHY.
THE REASON WHY THERE WAS CONFLICT STAFF MEMBERS AND THE
MAYOR'S THAT CAUSE CONFLICT IN THE CRA AND OTHER PLACES
CAUSED CONFLICT BY PITTING NEIGHBORS AGAINST EACH OTHER.
UNCONSCIONABLE.
THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE DONE IT.
WE HAVE PUBLIC RECORDS TO PROVE IT.
NEIGHBORHOOD HAS PUBLIC RECORDS.
WE CAN NOT DO THAT ANYMORE.
WE WANT TO SOLVES THE CONFLICTS, WE NEED TO END THE
CONFLICTS CREATED BY HER STAFF.
RIVERWALK ANOTHER ISSUE THAT BECAME CONTENTIOUS AND A LOT OF
JUSTIFICATION.
THERE IS A NEW ADMINISTRATION.
LET'S ASK THEM FOR MONEY FOR STORMWATER DAMAGES INSTEAD OF
AN AMENITY FOR A DEVELOPER.
THE LAST THING FOR -- ON THE STORMWATER IS TO LET PEOPLE IN
THE YOU CAN WILL I CAN KNOW WE MOVED THE STRATEGY PLAN
UPDATES AND THE BIGGER DISCUSSIONS TO MAY 2.
SO YOU HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT IT.
IT IS A LONG WAY AWAY, BUT THE ENGINEERS ARE MOVING AND
WORKING ON IT.
WE HAD AN EXCELLENT UPDATE BY VIK TODAY.
BUT THE ENGINEERS THAT HE MENTIONED WILL BE PRESENTING AND
WILL BE GIVING US AN EXTENSIVE UPDATE SO I HOPE ANYONE
INTERESTED TO COME AND COORDINATE WITH YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD
ASSOCIATION.
LAST THING I WANT TO ASK YOU ALL -- WE ONLY HAVE FOUR PEOPLE
HERE.
BUT TONIGHT MY SON IS GETTING AN AWARD AND I HAVE TO BE GONE
FROM 6 TO 7.
I WANT TO VOTE FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
I WOULD LIKE TO COME HERE FROM 5 TO 5:30 TO VOTE FOR THE
UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, WHETHER YOU ARE FOR OR AGAINST IT, I
THINK THERE WILL BE PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I HOPE WE CAN MOVE
FAST BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO VOTE ON THAT AND HAVE TIME FOR
MY SON'S THING.
01:49:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO ONE SHOULD EVER APOLOGIZE FOR PUTTING
FAMILY FIRST.
WE UNDERSTAND.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
01:50:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
JUST A SECOND.
I WAS ALSO GOING TO -- THAT I HAVE -- I REALLY WANT TO GO TO
NELSON AGUIRRE'S WAKE THAT STARTS AT 6:00.
I WILL GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TOMORROW INSTEAD OF TODAY.
A FRIEND OF MINE THAT PASSED AWAY FROM MANY YEARS.
A GREAT GUY.
A GREAT FAMILY.
SO I AM SORRY I CAN'T ATTEND, BUT I WILL SERVE AND BE HERE.
THAT IS FINE WITH ME.
01:50:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
01:50:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOTION.
01:50:35PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
01:50:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE ARE ADJOURNED AND BACK AT 5:01 P.M.
WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING.

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