CITY OF TAMPA WORKSHOPS
THURSDAY, APRIL 24, 2025, 9:00 A.M.

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9:02:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
WORKSHOP MEETING TO ORDER.
AT THIS TIME, IF WE COULD PLEASE STAND FOR A MOMENT OF
SILENCE AND AT THIS TIME EVEN REMEMBER POPE FRANCIS ON HIS
PASSING.
[MOMENT OF SILENCE]
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:03:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT, ROLL CALL.
9:03:34AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
9:03:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
9:03:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
9:03:37AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PRESENT.
9:03:38AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
9:03:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
9:03:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
9:03:41AM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.

9:03:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. SHELBY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO REVIEW THE RULES AND
PROCEDURES OF PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE WORKSHOPS?
9:03:48AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, GOOD MORNING.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
TODAY IS A WORKSHOP MEETING, THEREFORE THERE IS NO GENERAL
PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE START OF THE WORKSHOP.
PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE SUBJECT OF EACH INDIVIDUAL ITEM WILL
BE TAKEN AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATIONS AND BEFORE COUNCIL
TAKES ANY ACTION, IF THEY ARE TO TAKE ANY ACTION AT ALL AT
THE WORKSHOP ON THOSE ITEMS.
IF YOU WISH TO REGISTER TO SPEAK AT ONE OF THOSE ITEMS, THE
OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT IS AT THE KIOSK THAT IS OUTSIDE.
AND YOU CAN EITHER REGISTER AT THE KIOSK OR USE THE QR CODES
THAT ARE HANGING ON THE WALL AND ON YOUR PHONE AND YOU'RE
ABLE TO REGISTER WITHOUT EVEN USING THE KIOSK OUTSIDE.
IF YOU NEED THE WIFI, THE WIFI PASSWORD IS ALSO BY THE DOOR
THERE.
PLEASE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
REMEMBER, PLEASE, THAT THE SUBJECTS WILL BE DISCUSSED AT
PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE END OF EACH DISCUSSION OF THE ITEM.
THANK YOU.
9:04:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
JUST A LITTLE HOUSEKEEPING HERE, WE HAVE FIVE ITEMS, BUT ON

ITEM NUMBER 3, I RECEIVED A MEMO FROM MR. EVAN JOHNSON, THE
CHIEF PLANNER, AND JAVIER MARIN, REQUESTING A DISCUSSION OF
THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SULPHUR SPRINGS NEIGHBORHOOD ACTION
PLAN BE CONTINUED TO OCTOBER 30, 2025.
9:05:18AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
I OBVIOUSLY DO WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THAT -- I WANTED THAT TO
BE ON THE AGENDA WITH REGARDS TO THE ACTION PLAN, BECAUSE,
OBVIOUSLY, SULPHUR SPRINGS NEEDS MORE THAN THE POOL IT HAD A
YEAR AGO AND SO FORTH.
OBVIOUSLY, I DO WANT TO HEAR ON THE STATUS OF THE POOL
BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT.
I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THAT?
CAN I GET A MOTION TO CONTINUE PART TWO OF THE MOTION -- OR
PART TWO OF ITEM NUMBER 3 TO OCTOBER 30, 2025?
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
THAT'S ALL THE HOUSEKEEPING I HAVE.
AT THIS POINT, WE'LL START WITH ITEM NUMBER 1, THE PLANNING
COMMISSION IS HERE TO PRESENT BY 2050, 81% OF TAMPA'S
POPULATION OUTSIDE THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
9:06:05AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I ACTUALLY HAVE A CITY MEETING THAT I HAVE TO
DO.
I'LL BE GONE FOR ABOUT 20 MINUTES.

SOMEBODY I HAVE TO MEET WITH ON CITY BUSINESS THAT CAME IN.
JUST PARDON MY ABSENCE.
THAT'S ALL.
THANK YOU.
9:06:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.
GOOD MORNING, SIR.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:06:20AM >> GOOD MORNING.
THIS IS YASSERT GONZALEZ, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION UPLOADED, BUT IF NOT --
THIS MORNING, WE ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT TRENDS IN
POPULATION AND JOBS IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND
OUTSIDE OF THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
THERE ARE MANY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS AREA OF LATE.
WE ARE TAILORED TO THE TRENDS BECAUSE AGAIN UPCOMING PUBLIC
HEARINGS AND UPCOMING MEETINGS WHERE THOSE TOPICS WILL BE
ADDRESSED.
JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
9:07:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU HAVE THE CONTROLLER THERE.
DO YOU SEE IT?
IF YOU GO TO THE --
9:07:27AM >> THANK YOU.
OKAY.
WE HAVE PARTICIPANTS PROBABLY THE FIRST TIME OR MAYBE NOT

PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION TO THIS ITEM, WE'RE JUST GOING TO
TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA, 30
SECONDS OR SO.
AGAIN, ESTABLISHED BY THE STATE.
SO THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA IS AN AREA ESTABLISHED BY
THE STATE.
IT'S AN AREA PARTICULARLY VULNERABLE TO COASTAL FLOODING AND
TROPICAL STORM EVENTS.
THE DEFINITION IS INGRAINED IN STATE STATUTE AND RESULTS
FROM A MODEL.
THEY DO MODELING.
I WAS TALKING TO CHAIR MANISCALCO EARLIER WHERE WE SAID ALL
THE STORMS THAT WE HAD LAST FALL, ALL THE MODELING THAT THE
DATA PRODUCED IS GOING TO BE INTRODUCED INTO THE NEXT MODEL.
EVERY SO OFTEN THEY CHANGE THE BOUNDARIES.
AND WE FOUND OURSELVES WITH A NEW BOUNDARY.
PLANNING COMMISSION AS OF FIVE YEARS AGO STARTED TO RETOOL
ITS ANALYTICS DATA SHOP.
WE INTRODUCED A BUNCH OF SOPHISTICATED TOOLS, MORE
SPECIFICALLY GEOREFERENCED POPULATION ESTIMATES AND
PROJECTIONS.
THESE ARE PEOPLE WITH ACTUAL LOCATIONS ATTACHED TO THEM.
SOMETIMES VERY SMALL AREAS ALL OVER THE COUNTY.
SO ONCE WE HAVE THE NEW BOUNDARY AND THE SMALL AREA,
PROJECTIONS AND ESTIMATES, WE DECIDED TO MODEL THE TWO AND

COME UP WITH TRENDS IN LOOKING AT NUMBERS.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT'S ALWAYS OUT THERE, HOW MANY
PEOPLE LIVE IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA?
AND THEN HOW MANY PEOPLE GOING TO BE THERE IN 2050?
AGAIN, YOU SEE THE SOPHISTICATED MODELS.
ABOUT 67,000 TAMPANIANS ARE IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA
RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE TO AROUND 95, 97 -- I MEAN, 96,000.
AGAIN, AROUND 30,000 SMALL CITIES GOING TO BE MOVING THERE
BETWEEN NOW AND 2050 IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA MOSTLY.
NOW, DESPITE ALL THE GROWTH, THE PROPORTION OF RESIDENTS
LIVING WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA REMAINS A
FRACTION.
AGAIN, ONLY ONE -- I'M SORRY, TWO OUT OF TEN RESIDENTS THAT
LIVE IN THE CITY LIVE WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
GIVEN HOW SIZABLE THAT AREA IS AND HOW PRESTIGIOUS THOSE
ARE, IT IS REMARKABLE THAT WE HAVE A FAIRLY LOW AMOUNT OF
RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE.
NOW WE KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE THERE.
WHAT ABOUT NEW RESIDENTS?
ARE MORE NEW RESIDENTS GOING INTO THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
AREA?
WE LOOKED AT THAT AS WELL.
WE HAVE GEOREFERENCE ESTIMATES AND PROJECTIONS.
WE HAVE THE BOUNDARY.

WE MONITOR THE TWO AND THIS IS HOW WE GET.
WE'RE SEEING, YES, THERE'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER HAD OF
NEW RESIDENTS COMING INTO THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND
WE EXPECT EVEN MORE, BUT AGAIN OVERALL, ONE OUT OF EVERY
FOUR NEW RESIDENTS IS GOING TO BE MOVING TO THE COASTAL HIGH
HAZARD AREA.
THREE OUT OF FOUR ARE GOING TO BE OUTSIDE OF THAT REGION.
JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND.
THIS IS, AGAIN, FROM 2022 ONWARDS.
WHAT ABOUT EMPLOYMENT, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE RETURN TO
OFFICE MANDATES THAT WE HAVE?
WHAT ABOUT EMPLOYMENT?
COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA, AGAIN, WE HAVE GEOREFERENCED MODEL
ESTIMATES AND THIS IS WHAT WE DISCOVERED WITH OUR DATA.
AGAIN, ANOTHER 30,000 JOBS TO BE ADDED TO THIS AREA.
NONETHELESS, IT REMAINS, AGAIN, A QUARTER OF THE JOBS ONLY
IN THIS AREA.
THINK ABOUT IT, MAJOR JOB CENTERS, DOWNTOWN, WESTSHORE, THAT
ARE THERE AND STILL ONLY A QUARTER OF JOBS THAT WE CAN
ESTIMATE ARE WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
THE REST ARE OUTSIDE.
WHAT ABOUT NEW JOBS THAT WE, AGAIN, JUST KIND OF COMING IN
EXCLUSIVELY TO THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA?
AGAIN, THE DATA IS NOT SHOWING THAT.
WE DO SEE THERE IS A PERIOD BETWEEN 2015 AND 2020 WHERE

THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF JOBS THAT WENT INTO THE
COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA, PRIMARILY DOWNTOWN.
AGAIN, AS THE MAYOR SAID, WE'RE CREATING BRAND-NEW
NEIGHBORHOODS HERE.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
BUT GOING FORWARD, WE SEE IT WILL GO AGAIN 85%, 84% OF THE
NEW JOBS ARE GOING TO BE GOING OUTSIDE.
NOW, IT DON'T SEEM LIKE WE'RE EXTENDING THE SLOPE OF THE
LINE.
SEEMS LIKE, WOW, HOW INTERESTING, 2022 AND IN 2050 YOU HAVE
A SIMILAR NUMBER.
I ASSURE YOU WE HAVE PLENTY OF -- THE MODELING LOCALLY.
CONSULTED WITH PLANNERS BOTH INSIDE THE CITY AND LAND USE
WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AGAIN, WE KNOW, AGAIN, YOUR REFERENCE ESTIMATES.
WE ALSO KNOW WHAT PROPERTIES ARE LIKELY TO DEVELOP OR
REDEVELOP.
SO THAT'S HOW WE MARRY THE TWO.
SO THE CAPACITY THAT WE SHOW HERE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE
CAPACITY IN ORDER TO HAVE THE GROWTH AND THESE NUMBERS
REFLECT IT.
NOW, IT'S 2025, RIGHT?
I'M STILL TALKING ABOUT 2020 DATA.
WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT?
AGAIN, HERE, WE DID A SPECIFIC SLIDE THAT WE ARE GOING

OUTSIDE THE BLOCK RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THE BLOCK WAS PUBLISHED
A YEAR AGO TO FRESHEN UP THE DATA.
AGAIN, FOR THE BENEFIT OF YOU ALL AND FOLKS WATCHING US.
WE DO SEE THAT OVERALL, OVER THE TEN-YEAR PERIOD, 2015-2024,
66% OF THE NEW RESIDENTS MOVED OUTSIDE OF THE COASTAL HIGH
HAZARD AREA.
NOW, THERE IS A PERIOD THERE 2022-2024, AGAIN, HARD TO TELL
OTHERWISE.
BRAND-NEW BUILDINGS, BRAND-NEW STREETS COMING UP.
ESSENTIALLY THERE WAS A TIME BETWEEN 2020 AND 2024, 52% OF
THE NEW RESIDENTS MOVED INTO THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA
VERSUS 48% OUTSIDE.
AGAIN, THAT WAS A SMALL NUMBER OVERALL, AND WE EXPECT THE
TRENDS TO CONTINUE WHERE MOST RESIDENTS COMING TO THE CITY
ARE GOING TO BE MOVING OUTSIDE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE
CAPACITY IS, ESSENTIALLY.
HOW ABOUT PERMITS?
AGAIN, ARE WE APPROVING A BUNCH OF PERMITS INSIDE THE
COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA?
DEFINITELY APPROVE A LOT OF PERMITS IN THE COASTAL HAZARD
AREA.
NONETHELESS, A MAJORITY OF THE PERMITS ARE OUTSIDE.
THIS IS JUST FOUR YEARS.
BUT WE COULD HAVE GONE BACK TO 2011 AND SHOWN THE DATA SET.
IT'S NOT CHERRYPICKING.

WE LIMIT IT BY THE SIZE OF THE SLIDE, BY HOW MUCH
INFORMATION WE CAN PUT IN THERE.
AGAIN THAT DATA IS AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST OR CITY STAFF HAS
ALL THE DATA IN TERMS OF LIKE, AGAIN, ALLOW ME TO THANK CITY
STAFF FOR BEING SO EFFICIENT AND GENEROUS WITH THE TIME WHEN
IT COMES TO THE PERMITTING DATA.
THIS PERMITTING DATA COMES FROM THEM, FROM YOU ALL.
EVERY TIME WE HAVE A QUESTION, THEY ARE ABLE TO RESPOND VERY
QUICKLY AND WE CAN ALWAYS GET SOMEBODY ON THE PHONE.
PRESENTING THIS DATA BACK TO YOU AND THE POINT OF THE SLIDE
IS, AGAIN, TOTAL PERMITS BEING ISSUED INSIDE THE COASTAL
HAZARD AREA.
NONETHELESS, THE MAJORITY, TALKING ABOUT BETWEEN 55 AND 72
PERCENT ARE OUTSIDE.
TO CONCLUDE, WE ARE LOOKING AT, AGAIN, OVER 80% OF RESIDENTS
IN 2020 AND THE SAME IN 2050 ARE GOING TO BE OUTSIDE OF THE
COASTAL HAZARD AREA.
WE DO NOTICE A SMALL CITY, 30,000 PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE
MOVING IN THERE.
STILL, GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OUTSIDE.
NEW RESIDENTS, AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT THREE OUT OF FOUR NEW
RESIDENTS MOVING IN, WHETHER THE PERIOD IS IN THE PAST AND
CONTINUE IN THE FUTURE.
LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WE HAVE VERY SMALL ESTIMATES.
THEY ARE GEOREFERENCED.

WE LOOK AT THE CAPACITY IN TERMS OF DEVELOPABLE LANDS.
THIS IS WHAT THE CAPACITY HOLDS.
WE'RE LOOKING AT GROWTH RATE.
SOME OF THE GROWTH RATES, YOU KNOW, ARE FAST IN THE COASTAL
HAZARD BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE -- IN THE AREA.
SAME THING WITH JOBS.
RETURN TO OFFICE MANDATES, THERE WILL BE OPPORTUNITY FOR
THOSE JOBS TO COME INTO THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD, MOST OF
THEM WILL BE OUTSIDE, OF COURSE.
LASTLY, IT IS THE NUMBER OF PERMIT, YES, CERTAINLY A FAIR
AMOUNT OF PERMITS ARE BEING ISSUED IN THE COASTAL HAZARD
AREA, BUT THE OVERALL, MOST OF THEM ARE OUTSIDE.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE IN TERMS OF THIS.
ANY QUESTIONS, I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER.
9:16:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE'LL HAVE THE TIMER SET FOR FIVE
MINUTES FOR EACH COUNCIL MEMBER.
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
GO AHEAD.
9:16:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAD A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE PERMIT.
DO WE KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, SAY, A HOUSE BEING
DEMOLISHED AND REBUILT VERSUS BRAND-NEW CONSTRUCTION?
9:16:21AM >> THAT STUDY IS DOABLE, BUT THIS -- THESE NUMBERS DON'T
SHOW THAT.
YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'LL GET, FOR EXAMPLE, DUPLEX, NUMBERS
SHOWING IN OUR SLIDES WOULD BE TWO HOUSES.

9:16:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT I'M INTERESTED
IN FINDING OUT.
IF THE PERMITS ARE JUST -- IF WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT
ADDITIONAL HOUSING OR IF IT'S REDONE HOUSING.
OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE OF THE HURRICANES, A LOT OF FOLKS HAVE
CHOSEN OR ARE CHOOSING TO DEMOLISH THEIR HOUSE AND REBUILD
IT HIGHER.
THAT IS LIKE A NET ZERO.
9:17:05AM >> YEAH, THAT IS AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.
AGAIN, THERE WILL BE AN ELEMENT OF MOST OF THE DEVELOPMENT
THAT WE SEE INSIDE THE COASTAL HAZARD AREA IT WILL BE
REDEVELOPMENT OF PROPERTIES.
MOST OF THE PERMITS YOU'RE SEEING THERE, WE EXPECT TO SEE
REDEVELOPMENT OF SOMETHING.
HAVE A HOUSE THERE AND SOMEBODY PUTS A NEW HOUSE.
YEAH, WE'RE NOT EXPANDING THE FOOTPRINT NECESSARILY.
WHAT WE'RE DOING, AGAIN, IS JUST AGAIN SINGLE-FAMILY HOME IN
A LARGER LOT, IT'S GOING TO BE DUPLEX OR LARGER HOME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
9:17:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:17:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M KIND OF JUST -- I WANT TO ADDRESS FOR
THE RECORD AND FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION SOME OF THE STUFF I'VE
BEEN HEARING OUT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
IT'S RELATED TO THIS ISSUE WITH THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
AREA.

AS WE'RE CHANGING OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT, I'VE HEARD
STATEMENTS COMING FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION ABOUT SOME
BOARD MEMBERS DON'T CARE ABOUT THE CITY OF TAMPA'S IDEALS OF
HOW WE'LL DEVELOP THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND RESTRICT
BONUS DENSITIES AND THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT THIS BOARD HAS
SUPPORTED.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PUBLICLY I JUST -- THOSE OF YOU
ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT ARE THINKING THAT YOU'RE
GOING TO GET THROUGH A PLAN THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO
OVERDEVELOP SOUTH TAMPA AND OTHER AREAS THAT ARE IN THE
COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA, YOU'RE DREAMING IF YOU THINK
YOU'LL GET IT THROUGH.
IT'S DOA HERE.
THESE POLICIES, THE DATA YOU JUST PRESENTED US, IS ONLY
GOING TO WORK AS IF THOSE OF US IN GOVERNMENT CREATE
POLICIES THAT ARE INTENTIONAL TO MINIMIZE GROWTH IN THESE
HAZARDOUS AREAS.
IF WE BURY OUR HEAD IN THE SAND AND PRETEND THEY DON'T EXIST
AND ALLOW DENSITY TO EXPLODE IN THE AREAS, THEN YOUR DATA
WON'T REFLECT REALITY.
QUITE FRANKLY, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THESE RESTRICTIONS, BECAUSE
THEY ARE ATTRACTIVE AREAS, HIGH-QUALITY AREAS TO LIVE IN,
DEVELOPERS WILL COME IN AND THEY WILL OVERDEVELOP AND WE'LL
HAVE WAY TOO MANY RESIDENTS IN AREAS THAT WE SHOULD NOT.
I GET THE AREA, EVEN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, BUT THAT IS A VERY

SPECIAL SITUATION.
WE HAVE BUILDING CONSTRUCTION THAT WITHSTANDS THE NATURAL
DISASTERS AND WE ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO EVACUATE PEOPLE
BECAUSE OF THE INTERSTATES.
WHEN YOU MOVE INTO SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, EVACUATION
IS A SERIOUS ISSUE AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WANT TO
RESTRICT THE DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS NOT AS MUCH TO YOU BUT ABOUT THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT
KEEP LEAKING OF WHAT THEY ARE SAYING ABOUT THE COASTAL HIGH
HAZARD AREA.
THANK YOU.
9:19:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA AND THEN CARLSON.
9:19:44AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
I UNDERSTAND THE SHIFT MOVING FROM THE INSIDE TO THE OUTSIDE
OF THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
HOWEVER, ANY BUILDING CODES GOING TO BE CHANGED BECAUSE OF
THAT?
OR STILL BUILD THE SAME HOUSES THAT WE'RE BUILDING NOW AND
BE AS VULNERABLE AS WE WERE YESTERDAY?
I DON'T KNOW THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS KNOW THAT.
ANY CHANGES GOING TO BE MADE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVEN IF YOU
ARE OUTSIDE THAT YOUR INSURANCE RATE WON'T CONTINUE TO

CLIMB?
WE HAVE OURSELVES -- AND NOT YOU.
I'M TALKING ABOUT US HUMAN BEINGS, ALL OF US -- HAVE BEEN
USED TO LIVING IN A WAY THAT MAY CHANGE IN THE FUTURE.
I SAY "MAY" BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS COMING.
MAY PREPARE FOR A CLASS ONE HURRICANE AND GET READY AND THEN
ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU GET ONE ENORMOUSLY DIFFERENT AND THAT
DOESN'T HOLD WELL.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT FROM THE WEATHER.
AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE COASTAL AREAS THAT NOW ZONED
HIGH DENSITY, BIG BUILDINGS, ARE THEY STILL GOING TO BE
ALLOWED IN THE AREA?
I DON'T KNOW ALL THAT.
BECAUSE I THINK THE PUBLIC SHOULD KNOW THAT, WHAT IS THE
RISK.
I SEE THE CONDOMINIUM OWNERS, ASSOCIATION EVEN IN
TALLAHASSEE, THEY ARE IN A FIGHT FOR THEIR LIFE BECAUSE THE
INSURANCE RATES AND THE THINGS THAT THEY ARE PAYING IN FEES
FOR THE CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION ARE SO HIGH THAT EVEN THEY
CAN'T AFFORD TO STAY THERE TO SOME DEGREE.
NOTICE I SAID TO SOME DEGREE.
BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS.
I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION.
TO THE POINT AND VERY WELL EXPLAINED.
BUT I'M LEFT WITH SOMETHING -- I'LL GIVE AN EXAMPLE.

FOR INSTANCE, I OWN A VACANT LOT THAT I'VE HAD FOR 40 YEARS.
NOT THAT I HAVE ONE.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT.
IN A COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA, AND I HAVEN'T DEVELOPED IT.
ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW I WANT TO DEVELOP IT.
HIGH-RISE, ZONED HIGH-RISE AND I'VE HAD IT FOR 40 YEARS.
BUT 40 YEARS AGO, THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE TRAFFIC THAT WE HAVE.
DIDN'T HAVE THE HURRICANES THAT WE HAVE.
SO HOW IS THAT GOING TO MESH INTO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
TODAY?
THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IN MY
OPINION, NOT BECAUSE OF YOU OR YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT
WE HAVE TO BE MY POINT A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC AND I
DON'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY ANYONE'S RIGHTS, BUT I WANT THOSE TO
UNDERSTAND WHAT'S COMING BECAUSE IT HAS TO CHANGE.
WE'VE HAD AN ENORMOUS TRAFFIC PROBLEM.
WE'VE HAD ENORMOUS CHANGE OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
SOONER OR LATER WE'RE GOING TO BE STRESSED OUT IN A LOT OF
AREAS LIKE WATER, AND WHERE WE GET THE WATER FROM IF THE
AREA CONTINUES TO GROW AT THE WAY IT'S GROWING.
NOT ONLY TAMPA, ALL OF THIS AREA, FROM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
TO PINELLAS, TO PASCO, TO MANATEE, TO ALL THOSE ARE GOING TO
BE FACED WITH THE SAME PROBLEM WE HAVE.
I THINK WE HAVE TO START LOOKING AND NOT BY GIVING YOU
DIRECTION IN ANY WAY AS TO WHAT TO EXPECT IN THE GOODS AND

SERVICES THAT ALL THE GOVERNMENTS GIVE AND HOW DO WE MAKE
SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL THE TOOLS IN THE TOOLBOX THAT MEET THE
FUTURE EXPECTATION IF IT DOES COME, WE HAVE TO BE READY.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
9:22:58AM >> IF I MAY RESPOND, ADD TO YOUR COMMENT, IF I MAY.
THOSE CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE MORE SPECIFIC IN DENSITY AND
SUCH ARE HAPPENING ALMOST PARALLEL TO THIS CONVERSATION.
AGAIN, THERE WILL BE OPPORTUNITIES ON THE 22nd OF THE
PLANNING COMMISSION AND IT WILL COME IN FRONT OF YOU WHERE
THIS CONVERSATION CAN BE HAD.
AGAIN, THE COMMISSION IS, WHAT KIND OF COMMUNITY DO WE WANT
TO LIVE IN?
WHAT IS THE COMMUNITY WE WANT FOR THE FUTURE?
THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS HAPPENING.
AGAIN, MS. MALONE IS THE LEAD ON THAT.
9:23:27AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING AT THOSE THINGS.
MAYBE THIS IS THE TIME TO START TALKING ABOUT THEM FOR THE
FUTURE.
THAT'S ALL.
THANK YOU.
9:23:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
9:23:35AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, UNTIL ABOUT A YEAR AGO, A LOT OF THIS
WAS HYPOTHETICAL AND IT WAS SET UP AS A FIGHT BETWEEN
NEIGHBORS OR NIMBY VERSUS DEVELOPERS.

A LOT OF THE LAND, ESPECIALLY ON THE PENINSULA OF SOUTH
TAMPA AND TOWARD THE SOUTH NEAR MacDILL HAS TO BE
CHANGED IN ZONING, SO A LOT OF IT WAS INDUSTRIAL, PROPOSED
CHANGE IN A THOUSAND UNITS.
IT WAS A SETUP AGAINST NEIGHBORS AND BUILDERS.
BUT WHAT WE KNEW WAS COMING ALL ALONG CAME NOT QUITE A YEAR
AGO.
AND EVERY YEAR WE HAVE TYPICALLY SOME KIND OF STORM WHERE WE
HAVE TO EVACUATE.
MOST OF THE PENINSULA OF SOUTH TAMPA IS IN EVACUATION ZONE
A.
THAT MEANS WE GET EVACUATED FIRST.
AND MacDILL USUALLY FINDS OUT ABOUT AN HOUR BEFORE THE
COUNTY EVACUATES, SO THE MacDILL PEOPLE EVACUATE TO GET
FROM MacDILL TO GANDY TAKES AN HOUR OR MORE, IF THEY GET
AN HOUR EARLY NOTICE.
AND THAT MEANS THAT IT'S A REAL LIFE-OR-DEATH SITUATION.
WE'RE PUTTING PEOPLE'S LIVES AT RISK.
IT IS NOT A DEBATE ANYMORE ABOUT DEVELOPER VERSUS NIMBYS.
IT'S ABOUT PROTECTING PEOPLE'S LIVES.
THINK ABOUT ST. PETERSBURG COMES THROUGH SOUTH TAMPA, EITHER
ON THE SELMON OR THE MAIN ROADS.
MacDILL, WHICH IS A HUGE NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL
SECURITY ASSET HAS TO GET OUT.
AND THEN ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE.

SO IF YOU PUT 10 OR 20 THOUSAND MORE UNITS RIGHT NEXT TO
MacDILL, IN A STORM, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO
GET OUT.
AND THEN AS THEY BUILD UP ALL THE ROADS, THEN THE REST OF
THE FOLKS IN TAMPA CAN'T GET OUT.
FROM AN EVACUATION POINT OF VIEW, IT'S A REAL RISK.
THE SECOND THING IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO BECAUSE THE HOUSES ARE FLOODING, WE HAVE TO BUILD
MULTIBILLION DOLLAR INFRASTRUCTURE.
THE COST OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE DOES NOT PAY FOR THE VALUE
THAT THE TAXPAYERS ARE GETTING IN BUILDING THOSE EXTRA
UNITS.
WHEN WE HAVE PLENTY OF LAND WHERE WE CAN BUILD THOUSANDS AND
THOUSANDS OF HOMES IN AREAS THAT ARE HIGHER UP AND ARE NOT
GOING TO FLOOD, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO CONTINUE TO BUILD
THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.
IT WILL TAKE US DECADES TO MAKE BACK THE TAX MONEY TO DO
THAT.
JUST BEING GOOD CUSTODIANS OF TAXPAYER MONEY, WE WOULDN'T
PUT THINGS IN PLACES WHERE WE HAVE TO BUILD MORE
INFRASTRUCTURE.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT CITIES AND COUNTIES ALL AROUND THE
STATE ARE HELPING PEOPLE TO RAISE THEIR HOUSES.
AT LEAST $400,000 TO HAVE SOMEBODY RAISE THEIR HOMES.
AGAIN, THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THAT KIND OF MONEY.

WE CAN'T AFFORD TO GO IN ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND RAISE THE
HOMES.
THE MORE DEVELOPMENT AND MORE DENSITY WE GET, THE MORE
FLOODING WE GET, THE LESS PERMEABLE AREA WE HAVE.
WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT THIS FLOODING, IT'S FROM FRESHWATER
AND FROM SURGE.
NOT A HYPOTHETICAL.
HAPPENED.
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, RICH AND POOR IN SOUTH TAMPA, LOST
THEIR HOMES.
I STILL GOT PEOPLE NEAR PORT TAMPA WHO HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO
REBUILD THEIR HOMES.
THEY ARE LIVING IN HOMES WITH MOLD BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE
INSURANCE AND THEY HAVE NO ABILITY TO REBUILD IT.
TO ME, IT'S RECKLESS TO NOT TRY TO PUSH PEOPLE INTO THE
AREAS THAT ARE NOT COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREAS BECAUSE THEY
CAN GET OUT FASTER, COST TAXPAYERS LESS, AND PEOPLE ARE NOT
GOING TO LOSE THEIR HOMES.
THANK YOU.
9:27:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY ELSE?
YES, MA'AM.
9:27:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST TO KIND OF FOLLOW ON WHAT OTHERS SAID,
I, TOO, AM A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PERCENTAGES BEING SO
TIGHT, THE PROJECTIONS, AND IT REALLY IS INCUMBENT ON US TO
MAKE SURE IT'S NOT THAT TIGHT.

ABSOLUTELY, WE NEED TO KEEP AN EYE ON THIS AND THE
CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE NEW LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES AND THE
CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE COMING FORWARD SOON WILL BE SUPER
IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AREN'T OVERDEVELOPING IN
THESE AREAS AND RISKING PEOPLE'S LIVES AND PROPERTY EVEN
MORE THAN THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN RISKED.
9:27:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES, MA'AM.
9:27:47AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION.
I KNOW YOU ARE THE FACE OF THE PRESENTATION THIS MORNING.
CAN YOU GIVE US THE BACKGROUND OF THE INDIVIDUALS OR
COMMITTEE THAT PUT THIS REPORT TOGETHER FOR US?
9:27:58AM >> YES, INDEED.
WELL, WE HAVE A DATA SHOP.
YOURS TRULY IS THE LEAD FOR THE DATA SHOP, OF THE PLANNING
COMMISSION.
THE CHARGE THAT I RECEIVED FIVE YEARS AGO, RETOOL THIS UNIT
AND BRING IN MORE SOPHISTICATED TOOLS.
OUR SMALL AREA PROJECTIONS AND ESTIMATES, WE NEEDED TO BRING
DATA TO THE PEOPLE.
DATA LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR ME TO GET UP FROM MY
BED AND PICK UP THE PHONE TO TALK TO YOU.
WE PUBLISH A BLOG OR WE PUBLISH A DASHBOARD WHERE YOU CAN GO
AND SEARCH, WHETHER YOU WANT A PLANNING DISTRICT, ZIP CODE

LEVEL ANALYTICS OR SMALL AREA ANALYTICS, THAT IS PUBLISHED.
ALSO, FOR SOME OF THE AREAS LIKE COMMUNITY CHARACTERISTICS
THAT WE HAVE, WE PUBLISH A BLOG WHERE WE DESCRIBE, WHEN
PEOPLE ARE SEARCHING, GOOGLE IT COMES UP, AND WE ARE THE ONE
PROVIDING THE INFORMATION OR ONE OF THE SOURCES THERE.
AGAIN, IT'S JUST YOURS TRULY THE ANALYTICS ASPECT, THE
NUMBERS.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE PARTICIPATION FROM LAND USE PLANNERS, BOTH
INSIDE THE CITY AND INSIDE EVERY JURISDICTION HELPING,
LOOKING AT A SELECTION OF PARCELS FOR THE -- REDEVELOPMENT,
FOR EXAMPLE.
LOOKING AT GROWTH RATES.
HIGHER, LOWER.
LOOKING AT POTENTIAL EXPANSION OF URBAN SERVICE AREAS.
ALL THOSE PROFESSIONS CAME TOGETHER IN ORDER TO DEVELOP
THIS, AND WE HAVE A WEBSITE THAT HAS AGAIN THE REPORT WITH
THE DATA SETS.
WE ARE A SLIM OPERATION.
YOURS TRULY WITH A LITTLE ASSISTANCE FROM OTHERS, YES.
9:29:37AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THAT WAS A LOT,
YOU SAID THAT OUR CITY STAFF PARTICIPATED IN THE
FINALIZATION OF THIS REPORT.
9:29:43AM >> YES.
9:29:43AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
APPRECIATE IT.

9:29:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYTHING ELSE?
IF NOT, WE HAVE CARROLL ANN BENNETT REGISTERED TO SPEAK FOR
PUBLIC COMMENT VIRTUALLY.
IS SHE REGISTERED FOR ALL THE ITEMS?
JUST ITEM 1.
OKAY.
CARROLL ANN BENNETT, IF YOU ARE ONLINE, YOU HAVE THREE
MINUTES TO SPEAK AND THEN STEPHANIE POYNOR.
9:30:05AM >> HI.
MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
I WANT TO SAY THAT THERE WAS A PRESENTATION DONE BY DAVID
HEY AND STEVEN VINCENT A WHILE BACK THAT SHOWED FROM 2010 TO
2020 THAT SOUTH TAMPA AND NEW TAMPA HAD THE HIGHEST GROWTH
RATES IN THE CITY, EVEN THOUGH THE COMP PLAN SAID THEY
SHOULD HAVE THE LOWEST GROWTH RATE.
THEY EXPLAINED THAT NEW TAMPA'S GROWTH WAS THROUGH VERY
LARGE SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAD BEEN PERMITTED AND APPROVED LONG
AGO, AND THAT THOSE WERE FINISHING UP AND THAT AS YOU SAW,
THEIR GROWTH RATE WAS DECREASING.
AT THE SAME TIME, SOUTH TAMPA'S GROWTH RATE WAS INCREASING.
BETWEEN 2010 AND 2020, WE HAD THE HIGHEST GROWTH RATE AND
MOST INCREASING RATE OF GROWTH.
EVERYBODY SEEMS TO THINK SOUTH TAMPA WANTS TO CLOSE THE
DOORS AND SAY NO ONE CAN COME AND LIVE HERE, NO ONE CAN COME

AND LIVE HERE AND JUST DIDN'T WANT ANY GROWTH ADDED.
THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS HISTORY.
FOR THOSE TEN YEARS, WE SAW MASSIVE, MASSIVE GROWTH RATE.
IT WASN'T UNTIL WE HAD TEN YEARS OF A TREMENDOUS INCREASE IN
OUR POPULATION THAT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED THERE REALLY BECAME
ALARMED AT WHAT THEY SAW HAPPENING.
STEPHANIE POYNOR DID NOT APPEAR BEFORE CITY COUNCIL THE
FIRST TIME UNTIL NOVEMBER OF 2019.
I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY OF THIS.
EVERYBODY WHO OWNS PROPERTY IN THE CITY HAS PROPERTY RIGHTS.
THEY CAN GO TOMORROW AND PULL PERMITS TO BUILD WHAT IS
ALLOWED ON THEIR PROPERTY.
THE THING THAT PEOPLE OBJECT TO IS INCREASED ENTITLEMENTS,
EXTRA ENTITLEMENTS THAT ARE NOT SMART GROWTH.
SOMETIMES THE EXTRA ENTITLEMENTS, THE INCREASE IS A GOOD
IDEA.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF PERMITS ISSUED IN THE CITY
VERSUS THE NUMBER OF REZONINGS, IT'S A TINY FRACTION.
AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF REZONINGS AND YOU LOOK
AT HOW MANY ARE DENIED, THAT IS ALSO LIKE 8 TO 10%.
MOST PEOPLE GET WHAT THEY ASK FOR.
BUT IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA, EVACUATION ZONE A IN
SOUTH TAMPA, WE NEED TO LIMIT PEOPLE TO THE ENTITLEMENTS
THEY ALREADY HAVE AND NOT GIVE THEM GREATER ENTITLEMENTS.
PEOPLE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SHELTER IN PLACE.

WE NEED TO BE BUILDING WHERE PEOPLE CAN SHELTER IN PLACE.
IT'S JUST COMMON SENSE.
IT AFFECTS OUR INSURANCE RATES.
IT AFFECTS EVERYTHING ABOUT OUR LIFE.
I'M ALSO CONCERNED THAT THIS WAS PUBLISHED A YEAR AGO AND
WE'RE JUST NOW GETTING IT PRESENTED.
I HOPE THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN FIND A WAY TO LET US KNOW
WHEN THEY DO IMPORTANT WORK LIKE THIS SO THAT IT GETS
PRESENTED.
I FOUND OUT ABOUT IT BY ACCIDENT AND ALERTED COUNCILMAN
CARLSON.
HE IS THE ONE WHO ASKED IT BE PRESENTED, BUT IT'S A YEAR
OLD.
I WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THAT PROCEDURE, IF SOMEONE COULD MAKE
A MOTION ABOUT THAT, I'D APPRECIATE IT.
MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO EVACUATE NEXT TIME BECAUSE OF WHAT
THEY SAW THIS TIME.
9:33:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
ALL RIGHT.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER AND THE LAST SPEAKER ON THIS ITEM IS
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
9:33:22AM >> GOOD MORNING.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
ONE DAY I DRAGGED A BIG, HUGE BAG IN HERE.
I STILL GET HERE AND GO, "MAN, I WISH I HAD THAT.

I WISH I HAD MY DESK."
I WANT TO POINT OUT, THIS IS THE LIST OF EVERYTHING THAT'S
BEEN DEVELOPED IN SOUTH TAMPA, SOUTH -- ACTUALLY, THIS IS
SOUTH OF GANDY SINCE THE LAST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
ALL THE GREEN ONES RIGHT HERE, LIKE CARROLL ANN SAID, ABOUT
2700 UNITS.
THAT'S WHEN I WOKE UP.
THAT'S WHEN THEY WANTED TO BUILD SOMETHING ACROSS THE STREET
FROM ME.
27 UNITS -- 2700 UNITS IS A LOT.
NOW WE'RE AT 7300.
SO I JUST WANT TO REMIND FOLKS OF THAT.
YASSERT, HE DID A GREAT JOB PRESENTING.
I WANT TO POINT SOMETHING OUT.
HE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT.
I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE TERMS ARE BECAUSE THEY MAKE UP
THIS PRETTY LANGUAGE FOR STUFF, BUT WE HAD THIS AREA OVER
HERE THAT IS ALSO IN THE CHHA, BUT ALSO IN A CRA.
SO IT HAS A DIFFERENT DESIGNATION BECAUSE THERE HE IS STILL
DENSITY.
BUT WHEN YOU LEAVE ANY OF THESE PLACES, YOU CAN GO WAY FAR
AROUND.
SEE WHAT I'M SAYING?
NOT A ONE-WAY ROUTE.
NOT ONE WAY OUT.

ONE OF THE NEW THINGS IN THE COMP PLAN, WE HAVE THE BIG
TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS.
WELL, WE ONLY HAVE ONE EVACUATION ROUTE OUT OF SOUTH TAMPA.
ANYBODY WANT TO GUESS WHAT IT IS?
DALE MABRY.
IT'S THE ONLY ONE OF THOSE ROADS NOT ALREADY IN THE COASTAL
HIGH HAZARD AREA.
WE HAVE FOUR ROADS OUT BUT WESTSHORE CAN'T BE WIDENED
BECAUSE WESTSHORE HAS A FUEL LINE IN IT THAT RUNS FROM PORT
TAMPA ALL THE WAY TO THE AIRPORT.
THIS SHOULD NOT BE A TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR BY ANY STRETCH
OF THE IMAGINATION.
WE ARE OBLIGATED TO MacDILL FOR THAT.
I WANT TO POINT OUT WHEN COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID THAT
MacDILL EVACUATES BEFORE THE REST OF THE CITY DOES,
THAT'S BECAUSE WHEN YOU LIVE ON A MILITARY INSTALLATION OR
YOU ARE ON A MILITARY INSTALLATION, THEY ARE THE CADILLAC OF
SAFETY.
THEY ARE NOT DRIVING A CHEVROLET LIKE THE REST OF THE WORLD.
THEY HAVE DIFFERENT EXPECTATIONS FOR SAFETY IN EVERY SINGLE
AREA OF THAT BASE.
HOW YOU EVACUATE, WHAT KIND OF SIRENS YOU HAVE, WHAT KIND OF
-- JUST EVERYTHING.
HOW FAST YOU CAN GO.
IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFERENT THAN IT IS LIVING OFF A BASE.

TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
EVACUATIONS FOR MacDILL.
THEY ALWAYS EVACUATE BEFORE THE CITY DOES.
THEY ALWAYS CALL IT BEFORE THE CITY DOES, BECAUSE THEY
ALWAYS WANT TO BE INCLINED TO BE THE SAFEST THEY CAN BE.
AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE THOSE FOLKS TO COME BACK AND HELP THE
REST OF US IF WE NEED IT.
TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
THIS REPORT IS OLDER, LIKE CARROLL ANN SAID.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION PUTS OUT SOME REALLY, REALLY GOOD
REPORTS.
EVERY TIME THEY COME OUT WITH ONE, IT SHOULD COME IN FRONT
OF YOU GUYS.
THE INDUSTRIAL AREA REPORT IS AMAZING.
ONE OF MY FAVORITES.
9:36:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:36:26AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALONG THE SAME THINGS THAT THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER, MS. POYNOR
JUST SPOKE ABOUT, YOU HAVE TO LOOK BEYOND OUR CITY.
20, 30 YEARS AGO, YOU COULD TAKE ADAMO DRIVE AND ZOOM
THROUGH BRANDON AND ONLY HAD A STOP SIGN.
WHEN YOU GET TO BRANDON, BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THE OTHER
SIDE BECAUSE 30, 40 MINUTES BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS
THEY HAVE.
SOUTH, NOTHING IN RIVERVIEW, WIMAUMA WAS JUST A DOT.

FORT HENRY WAS JUST A DOT.
PALMETTO WAS JUST A DOT.
THEY AIN'T DOTS NO MORE.
WHEN YOU TAKE 70 OR 66 HEADING EAST, YOU CAN'T TRAVEL.
IT'S JAM-PACKED.
SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE, YOU CAN ONLY GO IF YOU LIVE IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA, THE PREPONDERANCE OF THE PEOPLE CAN ONLY GO
TWO WAYS -- NORTH OR EAST.
THE PROBLEM IS NORTH AND EAST IS NO LONGER JUST FARMLAND.
LOOK AT ANY CITY, ZEPHYRHILLS, DADE CITY, NEW PORT RICHEY,
ANYONE NORTH OF US AND YOU'RE GOING TO FIND THE SAME
PROBLEMS WE HAVE, GRIDLOCK.
IF THEY HAVE GRIDLOCK, WE WILL NEVER GET OUT.
LOOK AT PLANT CITY.
LAKELAND IS ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING CITIES IN AMERICA
RIGHT NOW.
SO WE'RE SURROUNDED BY OUR FRIENDS WHO HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM
WE HAVE.
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE MUCH BETTER CONVERSATION HERE.
WE HAVE TO TALK TO ALL OF THE CITIES, SEE IF THE MAYORS OF
THE CITY, THE COMMISSIONERS CAN COME UP WITH A BETTER PLAN,
BECAUSE THIS IS A LOT MORE THAN JUST THE CITY OF TAMPA.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:37:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'LL CLOSE BY SAYING AFTER THESE TWO HURRICANES, I THINK

MANY OF US LEARNED A LOT.
WE SAW SOME STORM SURGE, BUT WE DIDN'T SEE THE MAXIMUM THAT
COULD HAVE HAPPENED, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET A DIRECT HIT.
SO WE HAVE NEW DATA TO SEE HOW HOMES WERE DAMAGED AND HOW
PEOPLE WERE AFFECTED, BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT SHOWED THAT WE
WERE, ONE, NOT FULLY PREPARED.
AND, SECOND, AS WE MAKE LAND USE DECISIONS MOVING FORWARD,
YOU KNOW, IT'S NARROW ROADS THE FARTHER SOUTH YOU GO.
ALREADY TALKED ABOUT.
DALE MABRY IS CONGESTED AT ALL TIMES EXCEPT EARLY SATURDAY
MORNING, EARLY SUNDAY MORNING.
BUT THE REST OF THE TIME, IT'S NOT EASY TO GET OUT OF TAMPA.
I-4/275 INTERCHANGE IS ALWAYS BACKED UP.
WHEN YOU SAY WE CAN ONLY GO NORTH AND CAN GO EAST, IT'S BAD
ENOUGH WITHOUT A STORM.
AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE JUST HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH WHAT WE
APPROVE BECAUSE WE'RE AFFECTING A NATURAL HABITAT.
FLORIDA, IN MY OPINION, WASN'T MEANT TO BE DEVELOPED AS IT
HAS BEEN.
WE'VE SEEN TREMENDOUS GROWTH.
WE'VE SEEN TREMENDOUS GROWTH SINCE COVID WITH THE AMOUNT OF
PEOPLE WHO HAVE MOVED HERE.
HAVING SAID ALL THAT, THE MORE WE BUILD, THE WORST IT'S
GOING TO BE.
THE LESS PLACES THE WATER HAS TO GO.

YOU CAN'T BEAT STORM SURGE.
CAN'T BEAT HURRICANES.
MADAM CHAIR IN THE END, DEPENDING ON THE INTENSITY, CAN
ALWAYS WIN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:39:34AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
9:39:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COME ON UP, SIR.
9:39:44AM >> UHURU, METESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
UHURU MEANS FREEDOM IN SWAHILI.
WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE SHOULD ALWAYS BE THINKING ABOUT OUR
FREEDOM.
FREEDOM IS IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY.
ON ITEM NUMBER 1, WHERE THEY ARE SPEAKING ABOUT WHAT THEY
WANT TO DO IN PREPARATIONS FOR ATMOSPHERIC INCLEMENT WEATHER
CONDITIONS AND THE ABILITY TO MANEUVER PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF
THE CITY IN HARM'S WAY OR OUT OF HARM'S WAY, THERE IS A
PHENOMENON GOING ON.
THEY HAVE MOVED TENS OF THOUSANDS OF AFRICAN PEOPLE OUT OF
THE CITY.
IT WASN'T ANY HURRICANE.
IT WASN'T ANY STORM.
IT WASN'T ANY EVACUATION, BUT BLACK PEOPLE ARE DISAPPEARING
OUT OF THIS CITY.
I WAS ON 22nd STREET LAST NIGHT AT 10:30 P.M. BETWEEN
MARTIN LUTHER KING AND 21st AVENUE, DOWN ALMOST TO YBOR

CITY, AND YOU COULD NOT FIND ONE SINGLE PERSON OUT AND
ABOUT.
NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON IN AN AREA THAT WE HAVE HISTORICALLY
KNOWN, ESPECIALLY 22nd JUST SOUTH OF LAKE BETWEEN 22nd
--
9:41:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PUBLIC COMMENT IS INTENDED TO BE FOR A
WORKSHOP IS INTENDED TO BE RELATED TO THE WORKSHOP ITEM.
9:41:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HOW DOES THIS RELATE TO ITEM NUMBER 1,
SIR, WITH THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD?
9:41:21AM >> SIR, IT RELATES, NUMBER ONE, AS FAR AS THE
MANEUVERABILITY OF PEOPLE, THE SAFETY OF PEOPLE AND THE
CITY, WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CITY WITH THE POPULATION.
9:41:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S NOT RELATED TO ITEM 1 ON THE
AGENDA.
9:41:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, SIR.
GO AHEAD, YOU HAVE YOUR TIME, SIR.
9:41:42AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WOULD THINK TAKING THIS INTO CONSIDERATION, ALSO NEEDS
SOME SENSITIVITY, NEEDS TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IT'S
BLACK PEOPLE DISAPPEARING FROM THE CITY AS A DIRECT MEANS OF
JUSTIFICATION.
DIRECT MEANS OF BLACK PEOPLE BEING PUSHED OUT OF THE CITY.
SO THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT HIGH
WATER IN STORMS AND WHATSOEVER IT MAY BE THAT'S GOING TO
CAUSE THE REMOVING OF PEOPLE OR PREPARATIONS.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WE NEED, THIS CITY NEED TO TAKE THIS
INTO CONSIDERATION BUT ALSO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT
THEY NEED A PLAN TO HAVE ECONOMIC GROWTH FOR AFRICAN PEOPLE
SO WE CAN EVEN BE IN THE CITY TO BE PART OF THE
CONVERSATION.
AND PEOPLE LOVE TO INTERRUPT YOU WHEN YOU COME DOWN HERE.
9:42:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
ALL RIGHT.
THAT'S OUR LAST SPEAKER WITH ITEM NUMBER 1.
9:43:00AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TWO QUICK THINGS.
WHAT HE SAID, WHAT IS RELEVANT IN THAT, IN PART, BECAUSE IN
PORT TAMPA, THE ORIGINAL PORT WAS DOWN PARTLY WHERE THE
YACHT CLUB IS AND PARTLY ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE
PENINSULA BY MacDILL.
AND IN WHAT'S NOW CALLED PORT TAMPA USED TO BE A SEPARATE
CITY, THERE WAS HISTORIC AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY THAT
PRIMARILY LONGSHOREMEN WHO WERE WORKING IN THE ORIGINAL
PORT.
THOSE FAMILIES HAVE BEEN THERE FOR GENERATIONS.
ALTHOUGH THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF JUSTIFICATION AROUND THEM,
MANY OF THOSE FAMILIES WERE STILL THERE.
AND THE HOUSES HAVE PASSED ON FROM ONE GENERATION TO THE
OTHER.
BUT THE STORM CAME OVER AND FLOODED THEIR HOUSES, AND MANY
OF THEM DID NOT HAVE INSURANCE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE

MORTGAGES.
AND THEIR LIFE SAVINGS AND EVERYTHING HAS BEEN KNOCKED OUT.
PROBABLY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS A BUNCH WILL HAVE TO SELL
THEIR HOMES AND MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
IT'S SAD BECAUSE IT IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT HISTORIC COMMUNITY
IN SOUTH TAMPA.
THE OTHER PIECE IS THAT THERE ARE SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING --
MULTIFAMILY AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS NEAR MacDILL.
WHEN THE STORMS HIT A COUPLE OF TIMES, SOME OF THE OWNERS
JUST PREEMPTIVELY SHUT DOWN THE ELECTRICITY AND WATER.
I GOT CALLS FROM STEPHANIE AND OTHERS, RESIDENTS OF THE
BUILDINGS SAYING WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO.
MANY DON'T HAVE CARS.
COULDN'T EASILY EVACUATE.
THE TRANSIT SYSTEM DOESN'T USUALLY GET PEOPLE OUT.
IT CREATES A HUGE HAZARD.
WE WERE ABLE TO GET ELECTRICITY AND WATER TURNED ON.
THEY LOOK AT IT AS HAZARDS BECAUSE IF THE BUILDING IS
PARTIALLY KNOCKED DOWN, IT COULD CATCH ON FIRE.
IT IS A HUGE ISSUE AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE
RESPONSIBLE ON WHERE WE PUT DENSITY.
9:44:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.
PORT TAMPA AND PALMETTO BEACH AND OTHER HISTORIC COMMUNITIES
IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA THAT WERE DEVASTATED WITH

THESE LAST STORMS.
MULTIGENERATIONAL FAMILIES IN PORT TAMPA, FOR EXAMPLE,
DIDN'T HAVE INSURANCE.
THOSE HOMES HAVE BEEN IN THE FAMILY GENERATIONS.
WHERE DO THEY GO?
WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM?
I CAN TOTALLY UNDERSTAND.
ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ITEM NUMBER 2, WE HAVE TWO REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
WE'LL PRESENT REGARDING JULIAN B. LANE RIVER CENTER'S
CATERING CONTRACT.
THIS WAS A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
DO YOU WANT THEM TO PRESENT FIRST?
9:45:22AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
WE'LL HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY FIRST.
9:45:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE MRS. OCEA WYNN.
GOOD MORNING, MA'AM.
9:45:29AM >>OCEA WYNN:
OCEA WYNN, ADMINISTRATOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND
COMMUNITY AFFAIRS.
WE'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON THE TRANSPARENCY OR THE CHANGES THAT
WE'VE MADE IN THE JBL CATERING PROCESS AND CONTRACT.
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT THERE
WERE SOME OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE COULD USE TO IMPROVE OUR
CURRENT BUSINESS STRUCTURE, AND WE DID JUST THAT.

WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS TALK ABOUT WHAT THE CURRENT OR THE
PREVIOUS PROCESS WAS AND THE NEW LEAD CHANGES THAT WE MADE
TO BE MORE OPEN TO EVERYONE USING THE CATERING FOR THE
CENTER.
SO THE REQUIREMENTS THROUGH THE RFQ, RFP, THIS IS THE OLD
PROCESS, SAYS THAT THE RFP/RFQ ISSUED THROUGH PURCHASING
WITH A PANEL THAT REVIEWED AND MADE SELECTIONS THAT ALL THE
VENDORS HAD TO MEET A MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS THAT WERE
APPROVED.
WE CHANGED THAT TO SAY THAT ANY VENDOR, REGARDLESS OF
WHETHER THEY WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS, THE RFQ PROCESS, ANY
VENDOR WHO MEETS THE MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS GOES THROUGH THE
PROCESS AND MAY PROVIDE SERVICES AT THE CENTER.
SO WE TOOK AWAY THE LIST OF APPROVED VENDORS AND NOW IT'S
OPEN TO ANY VENDORS.
REGARDLESS IF IT WAS THE OLD PROCESS OR NEW PROCESS, ALL THE
VENDORS MUST HAVE PROPER LICENSING AND CERTIFICATIONS.
THE RFQ/RFP PROCESS STATED THAT THE CATERERS HAD TO HAVE A
MINIMUM OF 12 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.
THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED.
THERE'S NO MINIMUM YEARS OF EXPERIENCE -- NO MINIMUM YEARS
OF EXPERIENCE.
I WANT TO SAY THAT YOU MUST HAVE THE LICENSING.
I JUST CAN'T GO IN MY KITCHEN AND SAY I'M GOING TO CATER FOR
150 PEOPLE IF I DON'T HAVE A LICENSE TO GO AND DO IT.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS CLEAR.
THAT LEADS UP TO MY NEXT POINT WHERE THE INSURANCE
REQUIREMENTS ARE STILL THE SAME AND THE CITY'S RISK
GUIDELINES AND ALL OF THAT.
ALCOHOL MAY BE SERVED, THIS IS FROM THE PREVIOUS AND NOW,
ALCOHOL MAY BE SERVED BY CATERERS WITH LIQUOR LICENSES AND
CONFIRMED -- THIS IS CONFIRMED -- WE ALIGN WITH THIS, BUT
THIS IS THROUGH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF BUSINESS AND
PROFESSIONAL REGULATIONS.
THE PREVIOUS PROCESS, PART OF THE CONSIDERATION OF THE
PROPOSALS WAS THAT A FIRM HAD TO HAVE AN ONLINE PRESENCE AND
PROVIDE A COMMUNITY BENEFIT THROUGH GIVING BACK SERVICES OR
SIMILAR.
THAT REQUIREMENT HAS BEEN REMOVED.
PREVIOUSLY, EMPLOYEES MUST BE UNIFORMED, NAMED AND TAGGED.
THE CURRENT PROVIDER PROCESS IS THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT
EMPLOYEES FROM THE CATERERS MUST BE CLEARLY IDENTIFIABLE.
AND THIS IS MORE FOR A SAFETY ISSUE.
SO A BADGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SO WE'LL KNOW IF THEY
SHOULD BE IN THE SPACE OR THE FACILITY WORKING AROUND THE
FOOD OR NOT.
ADDITIONALLY, AS WE DO WITH ALL OF OUR CENTERS, IF THERE IS
A YOUTH COMPONENT WHERE SOMEONE IS GOING TO BE WORKING
AROUND KIDS, WE HAVE TO HAVE AN AFFIDAVIT FOR THE BACKGROUND
TO SAY THEY ARE ALLOWED TO WORK ON CITY PROPERTY, IN A PARKS

FACILITY AROUND KIDS.
PREVIOUSLY, VENDORS MUST PROVIDE A PERFORMANCE, A DEPOSIT TO
COVER ANY DAMAGES OR COMMISSIONS.
WE CHANGED THAT THE DEPOSIT REMAINS BUT MAY BE REFUNDED AT
THE CONCLUSION OF THE EVENT.
SO THE DEPOSIT IS NEEDED, STILL REQUIRED, BUT THE DIFFERENCE
IS, IF YOU PAY IT UP FRONT OR IF YOU PAY IT AFTER THE EVENT
IS OVER.
THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE VENDORS
MUST PROVIDE A COMMISSION OF 15% OF REVENUE FROM THEIR
SALES.
THIS IS HOW IT WAS PREVIOUSLY.
THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SIMILAR VENDORS AND ALIGNS WITH
THE CITY'S REVENUE MODELS FOR COMMERCIAL SERVICES AND PARK
PROPERTIES.
NOW THAT 15% COMMISSION HAS BEEN WAIVED FOR NEIGHBORHOODS
AND COMMUNITY GROUPS.
SO THAT IS STILL REQUIRED, BUT IF YOU ARE A NEIGHBORHOOD
GROUP OR A COMMUNITY GROUP, THAT'S NO LONGER REQUIRED.
OTHER ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE'VE MADE ARE THE USER DEPOSIT
POLICY STATES THAT A 25% -- LET ME BACK UP.
REFUNDED 25% IF THE EVENT IS CANCELED.
THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH WEDDING VENUES AND ALL THAT.
WE UPDATED OUR POLICY TO SAY THAT YOU ARE REFUNDED 75% IF
IT'S CANCELED AND REBOOKED, IF THE VENUE IS REBOOKED.

PREVIOUSLY, SAMPLING EVENTS WITH MULTIPLE VENDORS REQUIRE A
LEAD VENDOR WITH THE APPROVED LIST OF VENDORS.
WE'VE CHANGED THE NEW PROCESS TO SAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY
-- UNLESS PREVIOUSLY SAID AND A LEAD VENDOR WOULD ONLY BE
REQUIRED IF THERE IS SOME TYPE OF A PERFORMANCE OR SOMETHING
THAT'S GOING ON IN THE FACILITY TO MINIMIZE THE RISK OR WHAT
HAVE YOU SO WE CAN HOLD ONE PERSON ACCOUNTABLE.
SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS, WE MADE IMPROVEMENTS TO
THE WEBSITE FOR BETTER CLARITY ON THE AVAILABILITY OF THE
CENTER.
WE ARE EXPANDING THAT AND IN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING AT A
SOFTWARE PACKAGE WHERE WE CAN DO IT.
WE CURRENTLY STILL HAVE STAFF WORKING WITH THAT, WITH THE
REGISTRATION OR THE AVAILABILITY TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO
DOUBLE BOOKING ON A CERTAIN WEEKEND.
BUT UNTIL WE GET THERE, GET TO THAT LEVEL OF SOFTWARE OR THE
SORT, THEN WE'LL CONTINUE THIS PROCESS.
ANOTHER CHANGE THAT WE MADE IS THAT WE WILL ALLOW FOOD TO BE
BROUGHT IN FROM THE OUTSIDE, BUT THERE IS A CAP ON THAT.
SO IF I WANT TO BRING IN COFFEE AND DOUGHNUTS OR PUBLIX
TRAYS, THAT'S FINE.
AGAIN, I CAN'T BRING IN A WHOLE -- MY FAVORITE GUMBO AND
SAY, HEY, LOOK, I WANT EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, TO COME AND
PARTAKE OF THIS, BUT WE DO HAVE A CAP ON THAT.
AND OUR STAFF WILL WORK WITH WHAT THAT CAP IS FOR THE AMOUNT

OF FOOD WE CAN BRING IN.
OUR STAFFING STRUCTURE, WHAT WE'RE DOING INTERNALLY, A
CHANGE THAT WE'RE MAKING IN HOPES THAT THIS IS MORE OF A
SEAMLESS PROCESS IS THAT WE ARE IDENTIFYING A POSITION THAT
THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT THEY WOULD DO.
THEY WORK WITH THE SALES.
THEY WORK WITH THE VENDING SO THAT WE'LL HAVE ONE PERSON TO
GO THROUGH FOR MORE EASE OF USE.
THIS NEW PROCESS HAS BEEN IN PROCESS SINCE APRIL 3rd.
SINCE APRIL 3rd.
I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WEBSITE NOT
BEING UPDATED, ABOUT PEOPLE NOT KNOWING THE PROCESS.
AS THE ADMINISTRATOR AND LEADER OF MY PORTFOLIO, I TAKE
RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT, BUT WHAT THAT HAS SHOWN IS THAT WE
HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO IMPROVE IN OUR COMMUNICATION
INTERNALLY AS WELL AS EXTERNALLY.
SO AT THIS POINT, I WOULD ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY
HAVE ABOUT THE CENTER, ABOUT THE PROCESS OR ANYTHING ELSE
THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO MY ATTENTION.
9:54:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, YOU MADE THIS
ORIGINAL MOTION.
THEN I'LL GO TO COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:54:49AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES.
THANK YOU, MS. WYNN.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU COMING BEFORE US TODAY.

FULL TRANSPARENCY, I FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, I WROTE THE
MAYOR A LONG, LONG, LONG MEMO ABOUT JULIAN B. LANE RIVER
CENTER.
I APPRECIATE YOU ADDRESSING SOME THINGS THAT ARE NEW TO ME
THAT I'M HEARING FOR THE FIRST TIME, ESPECIALLY REGARDING
THE FACT THAT THE WEBSITE HAS BEEN OVERHAULED.
ON APRIL 1st, THAT WAS NOT AVAILABLE TO ANYONE.
IT WAS THE OLD INFORMATION AND THE OLD INFORMATION WAS BEING
SHARED BY YOUR STAFF EVEN AFTER APRIL 3rd.
FOR FULL TRANSPARENCY, THE REASON WHY THIS IS COMING TO
LIGHT IS BECAUSE BLACK CATERERS AFTER APRIL 1st WERE STILL
BEING CHALLENGED BY THE STAFF OF JULIAN B. LANE REGARDING
THEIR EFFORTS TO BE A PART OF THIS SPACE, WHICH WAS THE
INITIAL ISSUE FOR ME ON MY CAMPAIGN THAT I TALKED ABOUT THE
VERY FIRST DAY THAT I CAMPAIGNED FOR THIS JOB THAT I AM NOW
HOLDING.
IN LIGHT OF THAT, I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR A LOT OF THE
THINGS YOU SAID BECAUSE THE RFQ PROCESS HAS GONE AWAY.
THE LICENSE AND CERTIFICATION PROCESS, ABSOLUTELY, EVERYONE
SHOULD BE THERE.
THERE'S NO MINIMUM 12 YEARS EXPERIENCE.
I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT.
THE ALCOHOL REQUIREMENT HAS BEEN REMOVED.
UNIFORMS, THE THINGS YOU ADDRESSED REALLY WERE NOT MY
PRIMARY ISSUES.

THE 15% IS ONE OF THEM THAT YOU DID MENTION.
THE 15% THAT YOU CHARGE THE CATERERS REALLY IS SOMETHING
THAT THEY PUSH BACK OVER TO THE PERSON THAT THEY ARE RENTING
FROM AND IT IS NOT NECESSARY BECAUSE YOU DON'T DO IT IN
OTHER RENTAL SPACES AND GOES BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND.
I CAN'T JUSTIFY CHARGING THAT 15%, WHICH I BROUGHT UP TO
YOUR STAFF WHEN I MET WITH THEM ON THIS VERY ISSUE.
IT WAS ON THEIR LIST.
I WILL STILL FIGHT FOR THAT.
CAN'T JUSTIFY AT JULIAN B. LANE AND THEN NOT DO IT AT
SEMINOLE GARDEN.
IT IS A LOT EASIER, THESE CATERERS ARE SAYING TO ME, WHY
CAN'T THE SITUATION AT SEMINOLE GARDENS BE THE SAME AS IT IS
AT JULIAN B. LANE, THE CONSISTENCY ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO EASY.
NO ISSUES WHATSOEVER WITH SEMINOLE GARDEN BUT CATCH HELL AT
JULIAN B. LANE.
DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
THAT 15% IS GOING TO THE GENERAL FUND AND YOU'RE NOT
JUSTIFYING IT JUST BECAUSE IT'S JULIAN B. LANE.
DOESN'T MAKE SENSE UNLESS IT IS GOING TO BE ACROSS THE BOARD
FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.
THE REFUNDING, THERE IS ONE CATERER WHO HAD NO IDEA SHE HAD
THE CREDIT, NOW THAT YOU ALL ARE GIVING THESE REFUNDS OR
PUTTING IT OVER TO ANOTHER EVENT.

ONE OF THE THINGS I EXPRESSED TO YOUR STAFF IN THE
REORGANIZATION OF THIS IS THAT I SAID THE PERSON WAS NOT
SATISFIED BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T HAVE WHAT THEY WANTED IN
TERMS OF CATERING.
THEY COULDN'T HAVE WHAT THEY WANTED.
SO THEY SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'LL GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THAT HAPPENED RECENTLY.
YOU STILL HAVE THEIR DEPOSIT.
I SAID TO YOUR STAFF, I SAID YOU SHOULD GIVE THEM BACK THEIR
MONEY BECAUSE OUR CITY STAFF BROKE THE RULES WHEN THEY
ALLOWED -- THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT WHAT I'LL SAY NEXT -- WHEN
YOU ALL ALLOWED THE BRUNCH EVENT BY CREATIVE LOAFING, AND
THEY HAD 15 RESTAURANTS IN THAT FACILITY THAT WERE NOT ON
THE RFP/RFQ FOR THE CATERER THAT THEY ALLEGEDLY WORKED
UNDER, YOU ALL BROKE THE RULES, SO WHY WOULD YOU EXPECT THE
CITIZENS TO HAVE RULES THAT YOU WON'T EVEN FOLLOW YOURSELF
UNDER YOUR OWN RFQ.
GIVE BACK EVERYBODY WHO HAS MONEY SITTING IN A CREDIT, GIVE
THEM BACK THEIR MONEY.
LET'S START FROM SCRATCH.
THERE IS NO CREDIT.
GIVE THEM THEIR REFUNDS.
THEY DESERVE THAT MONEY BECAUSE THE CITY BROKE THEIR OWN
RULES UNDER THEIR RFQ.
YOU SHOULD NOT EXPECT OUR CITIZENS TO DO THE SAME THING.

THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING I WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT FOR
AND I NEEDED TO SAY IT PUBLICLY.
THE OTHER ONES, WHAT'S INTERESTING TO ME IS ALSO THE PROCESS
OF TRANSPARENCY WHEN IT COMES TO SCHEDULING.
I COULD COMFORTABLY SAY THIS, I DON'T TRUST THE STAFF THAT
CURRENTLY WORKS AT JULIAN B. LANE.
I THINK THAT IS THE EASIEST WAY TO SAY THAT WHEN YOU SAID
WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON A SCHEDULING, YOU KNOW,
PROGRAM, IN OTHER WORDS, I DON'T WANT TO CALL JULIAN B. LANE
AND HAVE TO FIND OUT FROM AN INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS A CONFLICT
OF INTEREST IF THE FACILITY IS AVAILABLE.
I WANT TO BE ABLE TO GO ONLINE AND PUNCH IT IN.
AND IF IT'S AVAILABLE, IT'S BECAUSE THE SYSTEM TOLD ME SO.
AND EVERYBODY WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT.
THAT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE AVAILABLE IN THE NEW BUDGET
SEASON.
THAT REQUEST SHOULD BE MADE THROUGH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE OR
WHATEVER IT WILL TAKE.
I CAN ACTUALLY SUGGEST ONE TO YOU.
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS USES I THINK FACILITRON.
YOU GO, IN FILL IT OUT.
EVERYTHING HAS TO BE DONE THROUGH THAT, THE SCHEDULING.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE BLACKOUT DATES.
I DISCOVERED FROM THE DAIS LAST YEAR, THERE IS A SPECIAL
REQUEST, HOW DO YOU USE THIS FACILITY, AS A STAFF MEMBER --

OH, YOU MAKE A REQUEST.
I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT.
I ACTUALLY MADE A REQUEST TO HAVE AN EVENT ON JUNE 3rd FOR
HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS GRADUATING JUST TO SEE HOW IT EVEN
WORKS.
THAT WAS MY FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
I THINK YOU HAD TO SIGN OFF ON IT.
I THINK IT CAME ACROSS YOUR DESK.
DID YOU ALL KNOW THAT?
10:00:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT WAS ACCIDENTALLY SENT TO ME.
10:01:02AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I THINK THE MAYOR APPROVES IT BUT YOU GOT
A COPY OF IT.
SEE HOW UNCLEAR THAT IS.
HE GOT IT BY MISTAKE, BUT I THINK THE MAYOR HAD TO SIGN OFF
ON IT.
EVEN WHEN WE GET TO USE THIS FACILITY, IT SHOULD JUST BE
KNOWN AND WHAT THAT PROCESS IS.
I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO FIND OUT ABOUT IT BECAUSE I HAPPEN TO
ASK A QUESTION.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO DIG REGARDING JULIAN B. LANE
ANYMORE.
EVERYTHING SHOULD BE OUT IN THE OPEN ESPECIALLY FOR THE
CATERERS WHO HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR YEARS -- YEARS TO BE ABLE
TO UTILIZE THE FACILITY IN A PLACE FORMERLY CONSTRUCTED ON
WHAT WAS A BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD.

DON'T MAKE ME GIVE YOU ALL THE HISTORY.
A SPACE THEY COULDN'T OCCUPY AS CATERERS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T
FALL UNDER THE RFQ THAT WAS RENEWED UNDER THE PANDEMIC WITH
THE SAME SIX OR SEVEN CATERERS WHO GOT IT BEFORE WHEN THEY
DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS AVAILABLE TO BID ON.
IT WAS JUST CRAZY.
I'M GLAD THAT WE ARE OPEN WITH THE VENDOR PROCESS.
THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I MENTIONED -- YOU KNOW WHAT,
IS MY FIVE MINUTES UP?
10:02:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
WE'LL HAVE A SECOND ROUND.
10:02:19AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
NOBODY ELSE HAS ON THE LIGHT, I CAN TAKE
YOUR FIVE MINUTES IF YOU DON'T WANT IT.
10:02:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:02:26AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I HAVE A LITTLE EXPERIENCE, NOT IN CATERING BUT THE
RESTAURANT BUSINESS.
STARTED WHEN I WAS 14.
WORKED UP IN NEW YORK, ONE OF THE FINEST HOTELS IN AMERICA
FOR SIX SUMMERS AND I WAS A MANAGING PARTNER SOMEWHERE FOR
TEN YEARS.
ALL OF A SUDDEN WE WANTED TO GO INTO THE CATERING BUSINESS,
BUT BECAUSE THE PUBLIC ASKED US TO BE IN.
AFTER TWO CATERINGS, I SAID LET SOMEBODY ELSE DO IT.

TELL YOU WHY.
ACCESS A GROUP OF PEOPLE I DIDN'T HAVE ANY ACCESS TO BECAUSE
SERVING ABOUT 1500 DINNERS AND 1500 LUNCHES A WEEK, IT WORE
OUT THE CREW.
THEN I HAD TO HIRE PEOPLE TO GO DO THE CATERING WHICH WERE
NOT ACCUSTOMED TO OUR SYSTEM OF RESTAURANT.
THEN THE LIQUOR LICENSE.
TAKING A CHANCE SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE.
THEN YOU HAVE TO SET IT UP WHEN YOU GET THERE, BREAK IT DOWN
AFTER.
NOT MENTIONED.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS A SYSTEM YOU HAVE NOW.
YOU HAVE TO SET IT UP AND BREAK IT DOWN.
WHEN YOU START GIVING AWAY COFFEE AND ORANGE JUICE, THAT'S
YOUR TWO MOST PROFITABLE ITEMS YOU CAN SELL.
NOT THE MEAL.
IT IS THE DESSERT, THE LIQUOR, AND THE -- THE MEAL HAS A SET
PRICE OF ABOUT 42% OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU'RE SERVING.
CAN GO FROM 20% TO 60%.
NOBODY WANTS TO TAKE 60% BECAUSE YOU CAN'T MAKE NOTHING
OTHER THAN YOU LOST YOUR TIME.
WHAT I'M SAYING HERE IS THAT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT LIQUOR
LICENSE, THAT'S NICE, BUT WHAT ABOUT IF I GO IN AND DON'T
HAVE A LIQUOR LICENSE AND USE VIERA'S NAME BECAUSE I LIKE

HIM.
HE HAS A LIQUOR LICENSE.
CAN I SUBLET TO VIERA?
I'M TALKING MY OWN TERMS.
THEREFORE WHEN I SAW WHAT WAS GOING ON, I BACKED OUT AND DID
TWO CATERING JOBS AND I QUIT BECAUSE I COULDN'T HANDLE IT.
IT'S NOT AS EASY AS WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON CALL AND DIFFERENT DAYS,
DIFFERENT HOURS.
IT'S NOT EASY TO DO.
AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME STABILITY IN DOING WHAT YOU'RE
DOING TO GET THE JOB DONE.
I'M NOT LOOKING AT RACE.
I'M NOT LOOKING AT COLOR.
I'M NOT LOOKING AT HEIGHT.
NOT LOOKING AT WEIGHT.
I'M LOOKING AT WHAT I KNOW THAT I HAD TO DO AND I GOT OUT
BECAUSE I SAID I'M NOT EQUIPPED FOR THESE.
THESE CATERERS HAVE A GROUP OF NAMES TO CALL ON A MOMENT'S
NOTICE TO GET THE JOB DONE.
WHETHER BIG, SMALL, DIFFERENT.
THAT'S HOW CATERING GOES.
I CAN ONLY TELL YOU WHAT I KNOW ABOUT CATERING THAT I GOT
OUT BECAUSE -- I HAD THE FOOD.
I HAD THE QUALITY.

I HAD THE SERVERS, BUT ONLY FOR THE RESTAURANT.
I DID NOT WANT TO LOSE THE CUSTOMERS I HAD IN THE RESTAURANT
BY DOING CATERING.
MY COOKS WORK TIME AND A HALF TO GET THE CATERING JOB DONE
THE RIGHT WAY.
I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR ANY CATERING OPERATION FOR OR AGAINST.
I'M JUST SAYING IT'S NOT AS EASY AS THE PUBLIC THINKS IT IS.
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.
THAT'S WHY THE CONVENTION CENTER THEY HAVE AN OPEN BID.
I'M NOT COMPARING THIS TO THE CONVENTION CENTER, NOT AT ALL.
FOR THE RECORD, MY GRANDDAUGHTER -- ONE OF MY GRANDDAUGHTERS
GOT THE RECEPTION OVER THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BILL WAS.
GLAD I DIDN'T SEE IT BECAUSE I GUARANTEE I COULDN'T AFFORD
IT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:05:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:05:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO THANK COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON FOR
HER LEAD ON THIS.
I'M WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION FOR MORE TIME IF SHE NEEDS IT.
10:06:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BEFORE I GO BACK TO COUNCIL MEMBER
HENDERSON IN THE SECOND ROUND, I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER
MICROPHONES ON, WHEN MY WIFE AND I GOT MARRIED JUST OVER
THREE YEARS AGO, WE WERE LOOKING AT PLACES TO GET MARRIED.
THE RIVER CENTER WAS ONE OF THE SPOTS, BUT AS MUCH AS I LOVE

IT, IT'S BEAUTIFUL, IT'S SO EXPENSIVE BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE A
$3,000 RENTAL FEE.
BEYOND THAT, WE JUST COULDN'T AFFORD IT.
BECAUSE THEN IT'S CATERING AND THE FOOD.
WE ENDED UP GETTING MARRIED RIGHT HERE IN CHARLIE MIRANDA
PLAZA, AS IT'S OFFICIALLY NAMED.
WASN'T THAT AT THE TIME.
COULDN'T RENT THAT.
IT WAS A PUBLIC SPACE.
WE HAD TO SHOW UP LIKE ANYBODY.
IF YOU WANT TO GO DOWN THERE AND GET MARRIED, YOU GO AND GET
MARRIED.
WE COULDN'T EVEN GET THE FOUNTAINS TURNED OFF.
I HAD MAYOR DICK GRECO OFFICIATE.
WE COULDN'T HEAR HIM DO THE CEREMONY.
ANYWAYS IT TURNED OUT VERY NICE.
THE POINT I'M MAKING, IT WAS SO COMPLICATED TO GET INTO
JULIAN LANE EVEN FOR 30 MINUTES JUST TO HAVE OUR VOWS AND
EVERYTHING DONE THAT WE CHOSE HERE.
WE WANTED SOMETHING TAMPA.
I FIGURED SINCE I LOVE WORKING HERE SO MUCH, I FIGURED WHY
NOT GET MARRIED HERE.
AND I PROPOSED HERE TOO.
AGAIN, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS AS ACCESSIBLE AS POSSIBLE
TO THE COMMUNITY.

YOU HAD MENTIONED IF IT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP OR COMMUNITY
GROUP THAT WANTS TO USE IT, I KNOW YESTERDAY THERE WAS AN
EVENT WITH A GENTLEMAN THAT MANY OF US KNOW.
I JUST DON'T WANT BARRIERS FOR PEOPLE TO FEEL THAT IT'S SO
BURDENSOME, THE PROCESS TO HAVE A CATERER, HAVE AN EVENT,
THAT WE KEEP PEOPLE AWAY BECAUSE IT IS A PUBLICLY FUNDED
FACILITY.
I REMEMBER WHEN WE VOTED ON THAT.
IT WAS VERY EXPENSIVE.
I THINK THAT PROPERTY ITSELF WAS $12 MILLION AS PART OF THE
$36 MILLION PARK COST.
BEING THAT IT IS A PUBLIC SPACE, I WANT IT TO BE AS
ACCESSIBLE AND AS EASY TO NAVIGATE AND MANAGE AS POSSIBLE.
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, SHE BROUGHT UP A LOT OF GREAT
POINTS.
SHE DID A TEST RUN WITH HAVING AN EVENT IN JUNE TO SEE HOW
THE PROCESS WAS.
AGAIN, THIS IS IMPORTANT.
IT'S IN THE HEART OF OUR CITY.
EVEN THE HISTORY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHAT USED TO BE THERE AND EVERYTHING.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE.
MENTIONED EARLIER IN PUBLIC COMMENT, PEOPLE GET PUSHED OUT.
WE WANT PEOPLE TO FEEL WELCOME.
I'LL STOP THERE.

I SEE NO OTHER LIGHTS EXCEPT -- COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON,
SECOND ROUND.
10:08:37AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THE TRUST PROCESS, LAST THURSDAY WHEN WE
WERE IN COUNCIL MEETING, THE PERSON THAT UTILIZED THE
FACILITY THIS WEEK, THEY GOT A CALL FROM THE STAFF AT JBL
ASKING THEM TO PICK ONE OF THE OLD CATERERS.
THAT'S HOW EGREGIOUS THIS STAFF IS.
THAT'S WHY I WANT TO CLARIFY WHEN I SAY I DON'T TRUST THEM.
I JUST THINK YOU ALL SHOULD DO SOME HOUSEKEEPING OVER THERE.
BUT THAT IS UP TO YOU ALL.
OKAY.
THE COMMUNITY PART, ONE OF THE THINGS I BROUGHT UP WHEN I
WAS GOING OVER THIS IS THAT -- AND I WANT TO THANK ED
LORRAINE FOR POINTING THIS OUT TO ME.
WHEN JULIAN B. LANE WAS BUILT, THEY TOLD THE COMMUNITY, YES,
YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THE FACILITY.
THAT'S NOT CLEAR.
WE NEED BLACKOUT DATES FOR THE COMMUNITY.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE WEEKENDS.
I THINK THE WEEKENDS ARE FAIR FOR CATERING EVENTS AND THINGS
LIKE THAT, FOR COMMUNITY MEETINGS, THINGS LIKE THAT,
ABSOLUTELY, BUT WHEN CAN THEY USE IT?
THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE DATES AVAILABLE TO THEM THAT
THEY KNOW ABOUT IN ADVANCE FOR PROPER PLANNING WHICH IS
IMPORTANT.

I WANT TO ADDRESS THE LIQUOR PART.
EVERY EVENT THAT I WENT TO AT JULIAN B. LANE DID NOT SERVE
LIQUOR.
THAT WAS ONE OF MY ISSUES.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A LIQUOR LICENSE TO CATER AT JBL.
EVERY EVENT UNTIL THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES AND UNTIL
THE NCAA EVENT, THOSE WERE THE TWO THAT SERVE LIQUOR.
WHEN WE GAVE THE KIDS SCHOLARSHIPS, THE CITY OF TAMPA BLACK
HISTORY COMMITTEE, NO LIQUOR SERVED.
BUT YET IT COST -- IT COST THAT COMMITTEE, A CITY EMPLOYEE
COMMITTEE OVER $7,000 TO CATER WHEN IT REALLY SHOULD HAVE
COST $2500 BUT THEY WERE FORCED TO PICK A CATER, FORCED TO
HAVE FULL SERVICE STAFFING.
I TOOK A PICTURE OF THE FOOD.
IT WAS CHICKEN FINGERS FROM SAM'S CLUB AND LEMONADE AND A
PUBLIX CAKE.
THEY CHARGED $75 A PERSON.
DON'T GET ME STARTED.
I WANT TO BE VERY TRANSPARENT.
THEY CHARGED $75 A PERSON.
I TOLD YOU ALL THAT IN A MEETING.
IT WAS RIDICULOUS.
THAT'S HOW MUCH OF AN OLIGOPOLY THAT WAS TAKING PLACE AMONG
THOSE CATERERS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT PUBLICLY, WHICH IS ONE OF THE

THINGS THAT WAS AN ISSUE.
THE COMMUNITY PART, MAKING THE DATES AVAILABLE SHOULD BE A
PART OF THE PROCESS THAT THE COMMUNITY KNOWS THAT THE
FACILITY IS ACTUALLY FOR THEM.
I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
MS. WYNN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING BEFORE US.
AND PRESENTING.
OF COURSE, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S STILL SOME WORK TO DO TO GET
IT RIGHT.
IT SHOULD BE WHERE THE TRANSPARENCY CONTINUES AND IT'S ALSO
A PART OF THE LANGUAGE OF THE STAFF, CREATING THE NEW
POSITION PROBABLY WILL HELP FACILITATE THAT AS WELL.
I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:11:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
$75 FOR THAT --
10:11:35AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
$75 A PERSON.
MACARONI AND CHEESE AND IT WAS NOT HOMEMADE.
CHICKEN FINGERS, FAKE LEMONADE AND A PUBLIX CAKE.
I TOOK A PICTURE OF IT.
I COULD NOT BELIEVE IT.
THEN I ASKED THE CITY OF TAMPA BLACK HISTORY COMMITTEE TO
GIVE ME THEIR CONTRACT.
I WANTED TO SEE IT.
$7,000 FOR KIDS.
YOU KNOW WHAT MADE IT REALLY BAD?

THAT'S HOW MUCH THEY GAVE OUT IN SCHOLARSHIPS.
THEY COULD HAVE GIVEN MORE MONEY IN SCHOLARSHIPS.
IT COST THEM MORE MONEY TO BE IN A FACILITY FOR THE
ORGANIZATION THAT THEY WORK FOR.
IT JUST DID NOT MAKE SENSE.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE SOLVING THIS.
THAT'S IT.
10:12:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT'S ANOTHER THING, I'LL GO TO VIERA,
HURTAK, MIRANDA, REGARDING THE COST OF THE FACILITY.
SO WHEN I GOT MARRIED, WE WENT TO A RESTAURANT WITH 32
PEOPLE -- I'M SORRY, IT WAS CLOSE FAMILY -- EVERYBODY ATE
STEAK FOR A THOUSAND DOLLARS LESS THAN WHAT IT WOULD HAVE
COST TO JUST RENT JULIAN LANE AND THIS IS WITH WINE.
IT WAS A WEDDING, WHATEVER.
JUST THE COST, COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON BRINGS UP A LOT OF
GOOD POINTS.
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, HURTAK, MIRANDA.
10:12:53AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I JUST WANTED -- IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE YESTERDAY
I WENT TO AN EVENT THAT OUR FRIEND WALTER SMITH WAS PUTTING
ON.
THE OVERALL ISSUE IS ONE I THINK WE CAN ALL GET BEHIND WHICH
IS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS PARK WHICH IS KNOWN AS AN ELITE
PARK IS GOING TO BE OPEN TO EVERYBODY IN TERMS OF
ACCESSIBILITY, COST, AND EVERYTHING.
AGAIN, THINGS ALREADY BEEN SAID, THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT'S

IN AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT CONTINUES TO IMPROVE, BY THE
WAY.
THAT IS A PARK THAT IS VERY MUCH USED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M THERE A LOT AT EVENTS.
YOU ALWAYS SEE THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOLKS HAVING A GREAT TIME
AND IT IS A BLESSING.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS FACILITY ITSELF IS AN ACCESSIBLE
BLESSING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
LOOKING FORWARD TO DOING WHATEVER WE CAN TO HELP ON THAT.
THAT'S IT.
THANK YOU.
10:13:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HURTAK.
10:13:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO THANK COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON FOR
BRINGING UP THE RENTAL COST FOR COMMUNITY BECAUSE THAT IS
THE EXACT ISSUE WITH THE SEMINOLE GARDEN CENTER.
IT IS LITERALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF OLD SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND
THEY CAN NEVER USE IT.
I WAS AT A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ON TUESDAY NIGHT.
THEY HAD TO HAVE IT AT THE LIBRARY BECAUSE THEY CAN'T HAVE A
COMMUNITY MEETING IN THEIR OWN CITY PUBLIC SPACE WITHOUT
SPENDING, I THINK AT LEAST $300 AN HOUR.
I WOULD WELCOME JUST A LOOK AT THAT OVERALL AND WAYS WE CAN
ALLOW A NEIGHBORHOOD -- I THINK I BROUGHT THIS UP WHEN I
FIRST STARTED, JUST ALLOWING NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE
COMMUNITY CENTERS IN THEM THE ABILITY TO AT LEAST MEET THERE

TWO OR THREE TIMES A YEAR FOR NO FEE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS OUT THERE THAT JUST DON'T
HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THAT OR DON'T WANT TO USE IT ON THAT.
I DO THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT LONGER
TERM.
I DON'T KNOW IF A MOTION WOULD BE NEEDED FOR THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO ADD ON TO WHAT
YOU'RE WORKING ON.
IF YOU DO, I'M HAPPY TO --
10:14:55AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU FOR THAT, HURTAK.
I WANT TO GIVE THE STAFF AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET IT RIGHT.
I DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY MAKE A MOTION.
WHAT I WOULD MOTION FOR IS A WRITTEN REPORT OF THEM
PROVIDING THE DETAILS OF THE UPDATES AS THEY ARE OCCURRING
SO THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT INFORMATION THAT WE CAN SHARE WITH
THE PUBLIC.
10:15:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT WOULD BE GREAT -- I'M SORRY.
SHE WAS JUST RESPONDING TO ME.
NO, I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER
COMMUNITY CENTERS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT REQUIRE THAT.
I UNDERSTAND WHY THE SEMINOLE GARDEN CENTER IS THAT WAY
BECAUSE IT'S NOT STAFFED ALL THE TIME.
I GET THE REASONING AND THE RATIONALE, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT
AS A COMMUNITY ASSET, WE NEED TO PAY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO
USE IT FOR THOSE TIMES.

THAT'S THE IN-KIND.
WE DO A LOT OF IN-KIND FOR GIANT PARADES AND ALL THIS STUFF,
BUT NOT FOR OUR COMMUNITY GROUPS THAT WANT TO MEET.
10:15:56AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THEY SHOULDN'T BE REQUIRED TO HAVE
CATERING BECAUSE THEY HAVE A MEETING THERE.
THAT'S ALSO WHY IT WAS EXPENSIVE.
10:16:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
STILL, I'LL GO TO CARLSON AND THEN CLENDENIN.
10:16:07AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS BASED ON WHAT
MY COLLEAGUES SAID.
FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU TO COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON FOR
BRINGING THIS UP.
I THINK I SECONDED IT, WHICH I'M VERY PROUD TO DO BECAUSE OF
THE GREAT DISCUSSION.
GIVING ACCESS TO SMALL BUSINESSES IS THE -- IS ONE OF THE
MOST IMPORTANT THINGS WE CAN DO BECAUSE MOST JOBS IN AMERICA
ARE FUNDED BY SMALL BUSINESSES.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO GET SMALL
BUSINESSES ACCESS.
TO A POINT MADE EARLIER, THE $12 MILLION THAT WAS SPENT JUST
ON THIS BUILDING AND THEN THE MORE MONEY THAT WAS SPENT IN
THIS PARK, BUT ESPECIALLY THIS BUILDING, AT THE TIME AND
EVEN NOW YEARS LATER, THE PUBLIC, MANY PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC
THINKS WAS EXCESSIVE AND THAT MONEY COULD HAVE BEEN BETTER
SPENT SOMEWHERE ELSE ON SOME OTHER KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE,

UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FUNDING SOURCES WERE LIMITED IN HOW
THEY COULD HAVE BEEN SPENT.
SPENT IN OTHER WAYS THAT WOULD DIRECTLY BENEFIT MORE PEOPLE
IN THE COMMUNITY.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT IN TERMS OF THE PRICING, ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT AS THE PUBLIC CRITICIZED THIS BUILDING IN THE
BEGINNING, FEEDBACK FROM CITY OFFICIALS, WELL, IT'S BUSY ALL
THE TIME.
THE PUSH-BACK FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR, YEAH, BUT NOW OUR
PLACES ARE EMPTY.
THE GOVERNMENT CREATED A VERY EXPENSIVE VENUE AND THEN
COMPETED WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR AGAINST THAT.
I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME SPECIAL
RATES FOR COMMUNITY GROUPS LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS AND
OTHERS THAT MAYBE OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED BY THE CITY.
OTHER KIND OF EVENTS, CORPORATE EVENTS AND OTHERS, THEY
SHOULD CHARGE THE SAME AS THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND NOT
UNDERCUT THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
OUR INTENTION IS NOT TO UNDERCUT AND HURT COMPANIES AND
OTHER NONPROFITS.
THE LAST THING IS, THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE
NAME OF THE BUILDING OVER TIME.
AS IT'S REFERENCED IN THE DOCUMENTS, IT'S CALLED THE JULIAN
B. LANE RIVERFRONT CENTER.
CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT THAT IS THE OFFICIAL NAME OF THE

BUILDING?
10:18:08AM >>OCEA WYNN:
OCEA WYNN, ADMINISTRATOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND
COMMUNITY AFFAIRS.
YES, I CAN CONFIRM.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN FRONT OF ME NOW TO SAY IT IS THE
OFFICIAL NAME.
I CAN CONFIRM AND LET YOU KNOW.
10:18:21AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK IF THAT IS THE OFFICIAL NAME, IT
SHOULD STAY.
IF IT IS NOT THE OFFICIAL NAME, SOME OTHER NAMES HAVE
CIRCULATED.
CONSIDERING WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON SAID ABOUT
HISTORIC AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY THERE, I THINK IF IT'S
EVER RENAMED -- IF IT'S NAMED JULIAN B. LANE, IT SHOULD
STAY.
IF NOT NAMED, NAMED SOMETHING IN RESPECT TO THE COMMUNITY
THAT WAS THERE BEFORE.
10:18:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
10:18:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE SENTIMENT.
CAUTION EVERYONE, WE ALREADY KNOW OUR PARKS AND REC BUDGET
IS AS SKINNY AS SKINNY CAN BE.
IF YOU TAKE MONEY OUT OF ONE POOL, NEED TO KEEP THIS IN MIND
AS LOOKING AT THE NEXT BUDGET.
WE HAVE TO SUPPLEMENT WITH ADDITIONAL FUNDS.
NOTHING IN LIFE IS FREE.

ALL THESE FUNDS ARE GOING TO FUND, SO WHEN WE'RE DOING THE
BUDGET, JUST CONSIDER THAT ANY KIND OF REVENUE WE STRIP ON
ONE SIDE, WE HAVE TO REPLACE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
JUST WANT TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
10:19:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION ON THE MOTION, I
REMEMBER BEING AT BLAKE HIGH SCHOOL JUST OVER TEN YEARS AGO
BEFORE I GOT ELECTED FOR THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS REGARDING
THIS PARK.
AND IT WAS PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY WERE AT THAT MEETING.
AND IT WAS FOR THE COMMUNITY, BETTER INVESTMENT FOR THE
COMMUNITY, FOR USE BY THE COMMUNITY.
I REMEMBER CLEAR AS DAY.
10, 11 YEARS AGO.
THE PEOPLE THERE WERE TALKING ABOUT EVEN THE NAME, WE KNOW
IT AS RIVERFRONT PARK.
RIVERFRONT PARK.
THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
THAT'S WHAT WAS TOLD AND SOLD TO THE PUBLIC TEN YEARS AGO.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT IS A COMMUNITY ASSET THAT'S
ACCESSIBLE.
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON YOU HAVE A MOTION WITH COUNCIL MEMBER
MIRANDA WITH THE SECOND.
DO YOU WANT TO RESTATE?
10:20:03AM >>OCEA WYNN:
MAY I MAKE COMMENTS?
10:20:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DID WE WANT TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT.

10:20:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO WAIT UNTIL --
10:20:12AM >>OCEA WYNN:
YES.
10:20:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS.
THE FIRST SPEAKER IS STEPHANIE POYNOR.
THE SECOND SPEAKER IS ROBIN LOCKETT AND THEN TO YOU,
MS. WYNN.
STEPHANIE POYNOR, COME ON UP.
10:20:29AM >> GOOD MORNING.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
WOW, I HAD NO INTENTION OF COMMENTING ON THIS.
BUT AFTER I HEARD WHAT MS. WYNN SAID, I'M FLABBERGASTED AT
WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON AT JULIAN B. LANE.
FIRST OF ALL, I AM FLOORED THAT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT WOULD
LET THEM CHARGE A 15% FEE.
WE CAN'T GET THEM TO DO ANYTHING THAT IS OUTSIDE THE REALM
OF STATE STATUTES REGULARLY.
THEY ARE LIKE, OH, YOU CAN'T DO THIS, CAN'T DO THAT.
FOR THEM TO CHARGE 15% ABOVE AND BEYOND BLOWS MY MIND.
THAT IS THE FIRST THING.
THAN WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE MEET AND GREET AT JULIAN B.
LANE.
THAT WOULD BE AMAZING.
WE HAVE IT AT A COMMUNITY CENTER BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE
MONEY.

WE DON'T HAVE A TAX.
SO WE DON'T GET MONEY.
WITH COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK BROUGHT UP SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, THAT
IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE.
WHY DO COMMUNITY GROUPS AND NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE TO PAY TO USE
A FACILITY?
THAT IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS THING ON EARTH.
I WOULD NOT KNOW ANYTHING IN THE WORLD ABOUT RENTING
FACILITIES EXCEPT I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD OF THE GANDY CIVIC
ASSOCIATION FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS.
YOU KNOW WHAT WE KEEP OUR SCHEDULE IN?
A LITTLE NOTEBOOK.
DURING THE WEEK, JUST ABOUT ANYBODY CAN COME AND USE IT.
CUB SCOUTS, BOY SCOUTS, GIRL SCOUTS, WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD
GROUPS THAT WANT TO GET TOGETHER AND PLAY CARDS OR WHATEVER.
BUT WE WANT THAT FACILITY TO BE USED.
SO IT'S AVAILABLE.
THE CITY HAS USED IT ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS BECAUSE WE ARE
THERE TO SERVICE THE COMMUNITY.
I AM AMAZED AT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THIS PRIVATE CLUB IN
THE MIDDLE OF OUR CITY.
WOW.
IF YOU DIDN'T TEAR THE PLACE UP, YOU SHOULD GET IT BACK
IMMEDIATELY.
12 YEARS FOR A FOOD SERVICE INDUSTRY IS AMAZING.

I MEAN, MOST RESTAURANTS FOLD UP IN THE FIRST FIVE YEARS.
MY MIND IS BLOWN ABOUT THIS ONE.
HOW DID THEY GET AWAY WITH THE DEPOSITS, RETAINING DEPOSITS?
I WANT TO KNOW ONE THING, ONE THING I REALLY, REALLY WANT TO
KNOW, HOW LONG IN ADVANCE A CATERER WOULD HAVE TO APPLY TO
BE THE CATERER FOR AN EVENT?
IF IT'S SIX MONTHS, NOBODY WILL BE ABLE TO DO IT.
IF IT TAKES SIX MONTHS TO GET QUANTIFIED AND YOU HAVE ALL
THESE HOOPS WAY UP HERE, YOU'LL STILL HAVE NOBODY THERE.
I WANT TO SEE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE DONE IN
LESS THAN 30 DAYS.
IT SHOULDN'T TAKE THAT LONG TO APPLY THROUGH THE PROCESS AND
GET YOUR INSURANCE AND ALL THAT STUFF DONE.
SHOULDN'T TAKE THAT MUCH.
I KNOW SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A LOT OF HOOPS TO GET
THINGS DONE.
WE WANT THIS TO BE ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE, THEN IT SHOULD BE
EASY TO DO.
NOT TAKE SIX MONTHS.
10:23:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ROBIN LOCKETT IS OUR FINAL SPEAKER FOR
THIS ITEM.
YES, MA'AM, GOOD MORNING.
10:23:38AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
ROBIN LOCKETT.
FIRST, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON FOR

BRINGING THIS UP.
I WAS SITTING HERE WHEN YOU INITIALLY MADE THE MOTION.
IN REGARDS TO AFFORDABILITY WITH PARKS, I THINK THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT THROUGHOUT TAMPA.
RENTING A PARK OR THE FACILITY AT A PARK IS SO EXPENSIVE.
I'M LOOKING FOR A BIRTHDAY LOCATION.
I FOUND ONE IN NEW TAMPA.
IT'S AT A COMMUNITY CENTER, RIGHT?
THE ONLY COST TO ME IS THE DEPOSIT.
IT IS A REFUNDABLE DEPOSIT.
MAYBE THE IDEA IS THAT IF THERE IS A COMMUNITY PARK, IF
SOMEONE WANTS TO RENT IT, THEN I HAD TO GET SOMEONE TO RENT
IT FOR ME, BECAUSE I'M NOT IN THAT COMMUNITY.
I'M ADJACENT TO IT, BUT MAYBE IF THEY LIVE IN THAT
COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN PAY FOR THE NON-REFUNDABLE
DEPOSIT.
IT'S A COMMUNITY PARK, IF I'M MAKING SENSE.
YOU ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING?
OKAY.
GOOD.
IT IS A CHARGE FOR THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT?
BECAUSE IT IS REALLY EXPENSIVE TO RENT A FACILITY.
I THINK THE IDEA AROUND A PERSON HAVING TO SIGN IN BECAUSE
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON IDENTIFIED THAT THE LACK OF TRUST
WITH PEOPLE, I THINK THE IDEA AROUND SOMEONE HAVING TO SIGN

INTO A SYSTEM AND DOC STAMPED AND SO FORTH, I THINK THAT IS
A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE THAT TAKES AWAY EVERYTHING.
BLACK-OUT DAYS, THEN THAT DATE WON'T SHOW UP, BUT PEOPLE
REGISTERING TO USE THE FACILITY SHOULD BE BY MACHINE AND NOT
PEOPLE, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE BIAS.
BUT I WANT TO SHARE THE REFUNDABLE DEDUCTIBLE -- I MEAN,
REFUNDABLE DEPOSIT FOR COMMUNITY PEOPLE AND NOT BEING A
CHARGE TO THEM.
10:25:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
MRS. WYNN, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND THEN WE'LL TAKE
ANY ACTION.
YES, MA'AM.
GO AHEAD.
10:25:58AM >>OCEA WYNN:
FIRST, I WANT TO THANK COUNCIL FOR BRINGING
THIS OPPORTUNITY UP TO US TO IMPROVE OUR PROCESS.
SOMETIMES WE'RE LOOKING SO FAR IN THAT WE DON'T SEE WHAT THE
PUBLIC SEES BECAUSE WE'RE JUST DOING OUR WORK.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, WE'RE NOT JUST -- JBL CATERING WAS AN
OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO LOOK AT ALL OF OUR SITES.
WE'RE STARTING WITH THAT.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SEMINOLE GARDEN CLUB AS WELL AS ANY OF
OUR OTHER FACILITIES THAT WE RENT.
SO THIS IS JUST NOT A ONE-OFF.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS HOLISTICALLY TO SEE WHAT WE NEED TO
IMPROVE.
WHAT WE COULD RELAX AND ALL OF THAT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU WERE AWARE OF THAT.
THERE WERE COMMENTS MADE ABOUT THE 12 YEARS FOR CATERING.
IT'S NOT 12.
IT'S 7.
EVEN THOUGH MAY STILL BE EXCESSIVE, AND WE'LL LOOK AT THAT,
BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR.
IT'S NOT 12 YEARS.
IT IS 7.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL DO IS I'LL ENSURE AS FAR AS THE
TRANSPARENCY AND EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE
RENTING OF ALL OF OUR FACILITIES, WE'LL HAVE AN FAQ,
FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS SITE, SO THAT EVERYBODY GETS THE
SAME INFORMATION.
IF IT'S ALL RIGHT, IT'S RIGHT.
IF IT'S ALL WRONG, IT'S WRONG.
EVERYBODY WILL GET THE SAME THING.
I WILL COMMIT TO YOU THAT YOU WILL GET THAT.
I WOULD ASK AS YOU MAKE YOUR MOTION, THERE ARE SOME THINGS
THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT INTERNALLY AND WE'RE GOING TO
NEED SOME TIME.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER US COMING BACK 90, 120 DAYS WITH A REPORT
OR TO REPORT TO GIVE US TIME NOT TO JUST PUT A BAND-AID ON

IT BUT TO DO A DEEP DIVE INTO ENSURING, FIRST, ALL OF THESE
QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED AS WELL AS LOOKING AT OTHER
OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE TO IMPROVE OUR PROCESS?
10:28:23AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MS. WYNN, I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO GIVE YOU
THE TIME YOU NEED.
THAT IS DEFINITELY FAIR.
IN CONSIDERATION OF THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT YOU
TO DIVE INTO, BECAUSE THIS ALSO HAPPENED TO ME IN RENTING
THE FACILITY ON JUNE 3rd, MY AIDE GOT A CALL SAYING, OH,
WELL, WHAT CATERER ARE YOU PICKING?
WE WERE STILL UNDER THE OLD CONTRACT.
I SAID MY CATERER DOESN'T EXIST IN YOUR CURRENT PROCESS, SO
I WILL BE SHARING THAT AFTER APRIL 1st.
SO MY POINT IS, IS THAT ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE YOU
TO LOOK AT IS EVERYONE WHO HAS BOOKED AFTER APRIL 1st IS
ENTITLED TO AT LEAST -- REQUIRED TO PROBABLY PICK AMONG THE
OLD CATERERS, THEY SHOULD BE INFORMED THAT THEY CAN USE THE
CATERER OF THEIR CHOICE AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE
REQUIREMENTS AND SHOULD ALL BE INFORMED IN WRITING,
ESPECIALLY IF THEY PICKED A CATERER THAT THEY REALLY DID NOT
WANT BECAUSE IT WAS ONLY THE ONES IN FRONT OF THEM AND THEIR
EVENT IS AFTER APRIL 1st.
10:29:20AM >>OCEA WYNN:
I WILL COMMIT TO THAT.
10:29:23AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I APPRECIATE THAT.
OTHER THAN THAT, I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

THIS WAS A VERY HEALTHY, GOOD DISCUSSION.
I WANT TO BE EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE OF STAFF AND THAT IS AN
EASY ASK.
THANK YOU.
10:29:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND YOU WILL BE THE
LAST SPEAKER AND THEN THE MOTION AND VOTE.
10:29:40AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO QUICKLY SAY, THANK YOU, MS. WYNN,
FOR COMING HERE TODAY, FOR THE PUBLIC.
SHE'S ONE OF THE SENIOR ADMINISTRATORS THAT REPORTS DIRECTLY
TO THE MAYOR.
SHE HAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST PORTFOLIOS IN THE CITY.
LOTS OF DIFFERENT GROUPS THAT DON'T SEEM CONNECTED.
THIS IS ONE ISSUE INSIDE ONE PARK AND ONE BUILDING, AND IT
SHOWS THAT YOU AND YOUR DEPARTMENT HAVE TAKEN IT SERIOUSLY,
THAT YOU CAME HERE AND THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT IT AND
RESEARCHED IT PERSONALLY.
THANK YOU.
10:30:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION?
10:30:10AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
AUGUST 1st -- THE END OF AUGUST, AUGUST
31st, THAT WOULD BE 120 DAYS.
10:30:18AM >>OCEA WYNN:
YES, MA'AM, THAT WILL WORK.
10:30:19AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I MOVE THAT OUR ADMINISTRATOR RETURN WITH
AN UPDATE --
10:30:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE DON'T HAVE A MEETING ON THE 31st.

10:30:31AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SAYING BY THE 31st, GET IT DONE.
10:30:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AUGUST 28.
10:30:38AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
28.
OKAY.
10:30:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
REGULAR SESSION.
10:30:41AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OKAY.
SO AUGUST 28 RETURN WITH THE UPDATE ON JULIAN B. LANE AND
THE CONTINUED EFFORTS OF OPEN TRANSPARENCY AND NEW POLICY
UPDATES.
10:30:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
10:30:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN I ADD ANY OTHER -- JUST THE UPDATE ON THE
-- JUST ON THE FACILITIES AS A WHOLE, OPENING UP OTHER
COMMUNITIES, SINCE MS. WYNN SAID SHE WOULD DO THAT.
10:31:11AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
A WRITTEN REPORT?
10:31:13AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES, WRITTEN REPORT.
10:31:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
HENDERSON.
SECOND FROM MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ITEM NUMBER 3 WE HAVE EVAN JOHNSON HERE.
JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE HIM AND ALSO MENTION TONY MULKEY.
MR. MULKEY PRESENTING OR JUST YOU?

10:31:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GOOD MORNING, SIR.
10:31:44AM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
EVAN JOHNSON, CITY PLANNING.
APPRECIATE TAKING A FEW MINUTES.
I KNOW YOU ALL CONTINUED THE LARGER DISCUSSION THIS MORNING
REGARDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACTION PLAN.
BUT I DID WANT TO GIVE A BRIEF UPDATE TO PROVIDE A LITTLE
CONTEXT AS TO WHY WE ARE ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE.
I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF SLIDES THAT I WANT TO PUT ON THE ELMO
FOR EASE OF DESCRIPTION.
DID I DO THAT RIGHT?
PRETTY CLOSE.
SO JUST TO PROVIDE CONTEXT FOR THOSE WHO ARE WATCHING ON TV
TODAY, THIS PROCESS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACTION PLAN, THE
MASTER PLAN, STARTED BASICALLY AT THE END OF 2024.
WE ARE GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH THE END OF THIS YEAR AND
HOPEFULLY WRAPPING EVERYTHING UP BY THE FIRST OF 2026.
WE ARE WRAPPING UP WHAT IS PHASE ONE OF THE PROJECT, WHICH
IS REALLY ABOUT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND INVOLVEMENT.
AS YOU CAN MAYBE SEE FROM THIS, WE HAVE AN OCTOBER 25th
WILL BE THE BEGINNING OF PHASE THREE.
THAT'S WHY WE ASKED TO COME BACK IN OCTOBER TO TALK TO YOU
ALL ABOUT SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE STUDY ITSELF.
BECAUSE BY THEN WE WILL HAVE HOPEFULLY SOME REFINED DRAFT
ITEMS TO DISCUSS BEFORE WE COME BACK WITH A FINAL DOCUMENT
OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS AT THE HEART OF IT IS REALLY
ABOUT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
WE HAVE A FANTASTIC CONSULTANT GROUP THAT'S HELPING US.
THEY HAVE ESTIMATED -- NOT ESTIMATED, THEY ACTUALLY TRACKED
THIS.
PUT 186 HOURS SO FAR IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TALKING TO
NEIGHBORHOOD MEMBERS, GIVING TOURS, TALKING TO THE NONPROFIT
ORGANIZATIONS IN THE AREA.
WE'VE HAD A WORKSHOP.
80 PARTICIPANTS.
WE HAD PARTICIPATION AT THE LIT FEST DONE DURING SPRING
BREAK.
GREAT TIME TO GET FAMILIES AND THEIR CHILDREN OUT TO TALK
ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE COMMUNITY.
WE'VE HAD OVER 160 RESPONSES ON A PUBLIC SURVEY, WHICH WILL
BE CLOSING THIS WEEK.
WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF NEWS STORIES AS WELL ABOUT THE EFFORT.
WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE ACTIVITY THIS WEEK
AND THEN WE'LL CLOSE IT UP AND START TO PULL THOSE RESULTS
TOGETHER.
I AM USUALLY NOT MOVING PAPER OFF OF THIS.
I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
NOTHING TOO SURPRISING I WOULD SAY FROM THE THEMES THAT
FOLKS HAVE BROUGHT UP THUS FAR.
I WOULD SAY JUST FROM OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY

AND WHAT WE'VE HEARD, THIS IS AN AREA THAT'S BEEN
UNDERINVESTED IN FOR A LONG TIME.
WE ALL KNOW THIS.
I THINK RIGHT NOW THESE ARE ALL IMPORTANT TOPIC AREAS,
CELEBRATING THE HISTORY, IMPROVING PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, SMALL
BUSINESS SUPPORT AND DEVELOPMENT SUPPORT.
I KNOW PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE INVESTMENT, WHETHER THAT BE
IN NEW BUSINESSES, ENTREPRENEURIAL OPPORTUNITIES OR HOUSING.
SO THERE'S PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES HERE.
I THINK OUR GOAL AND OUR JOB WITH THE MASTER PLANNING
PROCESS IS TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO PRIORITIZE IN HOPES
THAT WHEN WE COME BACK AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUDGETS AND
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROJECTS, THAT WE HAVE VERY SPECIFIC
GUIDANCE AS TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS BOUGHT INTO AS FAR AS
WHAT IS FIRST, WHAT'S SECOND, WHAT'S THIRD.
I THINK THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO IT ALL
AT ONCE.
THERE IS A LOT OF MONEY THAT WOULD NEED TO BE INVESTED ALL
AT ONCE IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
WE MOVE ONE BUDGET AT A TIME.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PUTTING THE RIGHT
PRIORITIES FIRST THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO SEE.
FINALLY, JUST FOR EVERYONE, NEXT STEPS TO THE REPORT IN THE
PROCESS, WE WILL BE LAUNCHING ANOTHER SURVEY IN JUNE,
FOLLOWING, WE HAVE A REPORT THAT WILL BE GOING, RELEASE THE

PHASE ONE REPORT THAT WE'LL PUT ON OUR WEBSITE FOR EVERYBODY
TO LOOK AT AND PROVIDE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT.
SO THAT'S TAMPA.GOV/SULPHUR SPRINGS.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE DON'T HESITATE TO CONTACT
THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT, MYSELF, OR, MORE IMPORTANTLY,
LAUREN O'NEILL, WHO IS RIGHT BEHIND ME MANAGING THIS PROJECT
DAY TO DAY.
10:35:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
10:35:45AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I KNOW WE'LL BE HEARING ABOUT THE POOL AS
WELL.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS REPORT.
WE'VE OBVIOUSLY TALKED AND ALL THE WORK THAT YOU ALL ARE
DOING.
LIKE I SAID, SULPHUR SPRINGS IS A VERY, VERY IGNORED AREA.
IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE TALK ABOUT
POVERTY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, IT'S SO IGNORED THAT WHENEVER
WE TALK ABOUT POVERTY, TALKING ABOUT SULPHUR SPRINGS, I
DON'T GET IT.
I REALLY DON'T.
WE MENTIONED A LOT YBOR, EAST TAMPA, SOMETIMES UNIVERSITY
AREA, BUT NOT SULPHUR SPRINGS.
AND GIVEN THEIR HISTORY AND THE TERRIBLE STATISTICS WE SEE
OUT THERE AND DEPRIVATION THAT RESIDENTS LIVE OUT THERE, IT
IS SURPRISING.
ABOUT 70% CHILD POVERTY IN THE SULPHUR SPRINGS AREA.

SEVEN OUT OF TEN KIDS THERE LIVE IN POVERTY.
WE DEAL WITH BEFORE THIS PLAN CAME BEFORE US, WHICH SHOULD
PROVIDE A GOOD LONG-TERM MAP AND INCUMBENT ON ELECTED
OFFICIALS TO FUND IT AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT WE REALLY
DEALT WITH TWO ISSUES WITH SULPHUR SPRINGS.
THAT'S THE POOL AND WE'LL BE HEARING ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN THAT'S COMMUNITY STEPPING STONES, WHICH I THINK WE
GIVE THEM, WHAT IS IT, 75,000 OR SOMETHING DOLLARS A YEAR.
WHICH IS GREAT.
THEY ARE A WONDERFUL ORGANIZATION.
MY MESSAGE IS TO DO SOMETHING IN SULPHUR SPRINGS, REPAIRING
THE POOL AND PUTTING THE COMMUNITY THAT HAS 70% CHILD
POVERTY WHERE THEY WERE A YEAR AGO WITH A POOL IS NOT A BIG
ACCOMPLISHMENT FOR THE SULPHUR SPRINGS AREA.
INVESTING IN COMMUNITY STEPPING STONES LIKE WE SHOULD,
SHOULD BE DOING A LONG TIME AND LIKE FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT
CIVIC AND CHARITY GROUPS, AGAIN, DOESN'T REALLY MOVE THE
NEEDLE IN SULPHUR SPRINGS.
SULPHUR SPRINGS NEEDS MAJOR, NEEDS LIKE A LOCAL MARTIAL PLAN
IN MY OPINION, WHEN YOU LOOK AT STATISTICS OUT THERE.
I MENTIONED BEFORE CRA FOR SULPHUR SPRINGS.
PROBABLY WON'T HAPPEN WHILE I'M ON CITY COUNCIL, BUT I THINK
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS INEVITABLE.
YOU TALK TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS OUT THERE AND GO, WHY DON'T
HAVE A CRA?

MAKES NO SENSE.
ONE OF THE BIG BENEFITS FOR A CRA IN SULPHUR SPRINGS IS THAT
IT GIVES CIVIC FOUNDATIONS TO A PLACE THAT DOESN'T REALLY
HAVE STRONG ENOUGH CIVIC FOUNDATIONS TO COME AND LOBBY CITY
COUNCIL, TO HAVE A VOICE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND IN LOCAL
COMMUNITY AND EVERYTHING.
THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF CRAs.
A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY WITH CRAs THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF CRAs
IN THE CITY OF TAMPA RIGHT NOW.
I AGREE WITH THAT.
THE GOOD THING IS, I THINK WITHIN NINE YEARS, CHANNELSIDE
WILL BE LEAVING.
THE CHANNELSIDE CRA WILL BE LEAVING.
WE GET STARTED ON SULPHUR SPRINGS WITHIN THE NEXT TWO TO
FOUR YEARS, IT WILL BE TAKING OFF BY THE TIME THAT
CHANNELSIDE LEAVES.
AGAIN, THAT IS ACTUALLY A VERY WORTHY POINT.
A LOT OF FOLKS SAY, WELL, CRAs FORCE US TO SPEND MONEY IN
AREAS.
I STIPULATE TO THAT.
YOU ASK ME TO AGREE TO THAT I AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT.
GUESS WHAT, WE WILL NOT SPEND MONEY IN SULPHUR SPRINGS
UNLESS IF WE HAVE TO.
WHY?
I'VE BEEN ON CITY COUNCIL FOR EIGHT YEARS AND WE HAVE NOT

SPENT A LOT OF MONEY IN SULPHUR SPRINGS.
SO I LOOK AT PAST ACTION AND PAST PERFORMANCE.
BY THE WAY, I'VE BEEN ON CITY COUNCIL FOR EIGHT YEARS.
I'M NOT POINTING THE FINGER AT ANYBODY.
I'M MEASURING MY TIME.
IF WE WERE TO PASS A CRA IN SULPHUR SPRINGS, WE WOULD HAVE
MECHANISMS BY WHICH WE WOULD COMPEL SPENDING MONEY AND
INVESTING MONEY IN BUILDING UP CIVIC INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE
SULPHUR SPRINGS AREA.
IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
AGAIN, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN UNDER THIS COUNCIL, VERY
LIKELY.
I DON'T THINK SO.
MAYBE IT DOES.
MAYBE IT WILL.
BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS INEVITABLE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE
CHANNELSIDE CRA LEAVING.
AGAIN, IF WE DON'T HAVE MEASURES THAT COMPEL US TO SPEND
MONEY IN AREAS LIKE SULPHUR SPRINGS, WE WILL DO WHAT WE HAVE
DONE WITH THE POOL, WHICH IS INSTEAD OF BEING PROACTIVE, WE
WILL BE REACTIVE.
SLUPHUR SPRINGS GOT ON OUR RADAR BECAUSE OF THE POOL AND
BECAUSE WE ARE ALL GOOD PEOPLE UP HERE AND CARE ABOUT FOLKS,
OH, MY GOSH, THE POOL IS GONE.
THAT'S TERRIBLE.

LET'S HELP THEM OUT.
WE OUGHT TO BE PROACTIVE AND NOT REACTIVE.
I THINK THE CRA HELPS US TO BE MORE PROACTIVE IN EVERYTHING.
BUT THE GOOD THING IS EVEN WITHOUT A CRA, THIS PLAN WILL
HELP, GOD WILLING, GIVE US A MAP ON WAYS WE CAN INVEST IN
SULPHUR SPRINGS.
I DO LOOK FORWARD TO THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE
THAT WANT TO INVEST IN SULPHUR SPRINGS OR SOME GREAT NAMES
LOOKING AT THAT RIGHT NOW AND DOING THINGS RIGHT NOW AND
USING THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN SULPHUR SPRINGS AS PART OF THE
HUMAN CAPITAL THAT ARE THERE TO HELP INVEST IN THOSE
COMMUNITIES AND SUPPORT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:40:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN AND CARLSON.
10:40:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
ONE THING ON THE LIST THAT INTRIGUED ME -- OR WASN'T ON THE
LIST AND INTRIGUED ME BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SEVERAL VERY
SIGNIFICANT ISSUES, AND THAT IS PUBLIC SAFETY AND GUN
VIOLENCE.
PEOPLE EXPRESS CONCERN ABOUT THE ISSUE.
I THINK THERE IS DEFINITELY AN ISSUE THERE.
I THINK EVERYBODY DESERVES TO LIVE IN A SAFE NEIGHBORHOOD
AND FEEL SAFE WHEN THE KIDS GO OUTSIDE THAT THE KIDS WILL
RETURN.
I THINK THAT HAS TO ALWAYS BE IN THE FOREFRONT WHEN WE

DEVELOP THESE THINGS.
I AGREE WITH A LOT OF WHAT COUNCILMAN VIERA SAID, I DON'T
NECESSARILY AGREE HOW TO GET THERE.
SEVERAL THINGS WE HAVE TO GUARD AGAINST.
ONE, GENTRIFICATION.
WE HAVE TO ENSURE THAT THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE BRING TO THE
TABLE FOR SULPHUR SPRINGS ARE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING
IN SULPHUR SPRINGS.
WE DON'T NEED TO CREATE ANOTHER WATER STREET IN SULPHUR
SPRINGS.
WE NEED TO HAVE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HELP THE PEOPLE LIVING
IN THE COMMUNITY, HELP THEM RENOVATE AND IMPROVE THEIR
HOUSES BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF HOUSING THAT PEOPLE CAN
STILL, NOT THAT ANYBODY CAN AFFORD ANYTHING IN TAMPA NOW,
BUT RELATIVELY SPEAKING, RELATIVELY AFFORDABLE.
AND WE NEED TO AGAIN BACK TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY THING, WE
NEED TO MAKE SURE SIDEWALKS, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF
KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE HAVE KIDS THAT ARE WALKING TO -- IF THEY ARE GOING TO
WALK TO THE POOL OR WALK TO A PARK OR TO A STEPPING STONES,
THEY SHOULD BE SAFE THE KIDS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE
NEED TO BE PROVIDING THOSE RESOURCES.
I'LL DIFFER FROM ONE THING THAT COUNCILMAN VIERA SAYS.
HE TALKED ABOUT THIS COUNCIL BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT
SPENDING MONEY.

THIS COUNCIL DOESN'T SPEND MONEY.
WE ALLOCATE MONEY.
THIS IS SOMETHING THE ADMINISTRATION, WE NEED TO SPEAK TO
THE ADMINISTRATION ABOUT OF PRIORITIZING THE SPENDING IN
THESE NEIGHBORHOODS SO THAT -- THIS IS A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY
BECAUSE THE ADMINISTRATION IS GOING TO BE PRESENTING US A
BUDGET AND WE'RE GOING TO WORK THROUGH THAT BUDGET.
LET'S ASK THAT THE BUDGET THEY SUBMIT HAS SOME OF THESE
PRIORITIES FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE BEEN NEGLECTED.
I THINK THAT IS THE PATH TO SUCCESS.
I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF THE CRA, BUT I THINK OTHER THAN
THE FACT THAT THE COUNTY IS NOT CONTRIBUTING, WE HAVE
COMPLETE CONTROL, THE CITY DOES, BETWEEN THE ADMINISTRATION
AND THIS COUNCIL, OF HOW WE IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIVES OF
PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT JUST LIVING IN SULPHUR SPRINGS.
CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO MENTIONED PALMETTO BEACH AREA OR THE
PORT TAMPA AREA.
THESE ARE AREAS THAT WE HAVE CONTROL OF THAT.
WE NEED -- BE IN THE FOREFRONT OF OUR MINDS OF ONE OF THE
BEST PURPOSES OF GOVERNMENT IS TO HELP FOLKS AND GIVE THEM A
HAND UP AND HELP THEM BETTER THEIR LIVES AND THEIR FAMILIES'
LIVES IN A WAY THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO GIVEN THE
RESOURCES THEY HAVE AT THE MOMENT.
THAT'S MY KEY ISSUE.
I DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT SULPHUR SPRINGS AS A DEVELOPMENT

OPPORTUNITY.
I WANT TO LOOK AT IT AS A COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT OPPORTUNITY
TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY TO HELP THE FOLKS
THAT ARE ACTUALLY LIVING THERE AND NOT BUILD IT OUT FOR RICH
PEOPLE.
10:43:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
10:43:50AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, SIMILAR TO WHAT MY COLLEAGUE JUST
SAID, I'M TOTALLY AGAINST ANY NEW CRAs BECAUSE I THINK
THEY ARE BAD FOR THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S A MOOT POINT ANYWAY BECAUSE THE STATE IS MEETING
TOMORROW BASED ON THE LATEST UPDATE I GOT LAST NIGHT AND
THEY ARE GOING TO BAN NEW CRAs.
IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ANYWAY.
I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO TELL PEOPLE IS THAT WHAT CRAs ARE
FOR IS FOR REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S HOW THEY HAVE BEEN USED MOSTLY.
MAYBE NOT HOW IT WAS INTENDED BY LEGISLATION BUT HOW THEY
HAVE BEEN USED.
USED TO INCENTIVIZE REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT.
ALL IT DOES IS IT PAYS -- IT KEEPS THE ADDED PROPERTY TAXES
IN THAT AREA.
HOW DO YOU GET ADDED PROPERTY TAXES?
THE WAY CRAs TRADITIONALLY DO IT, THEY USE NEW TAXES TO
SUBSIDIZE REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT GOES IN.
AS I SAID BEFORE, IF THE PEOPLE IN SULPHUR SPRINGS WANT

20-STORY CONDOS ON THE RIVER, CRA IS THE RIGHT SOLUTION.
IF YOU WANT YOUR ROADS FIXED AND YOUR PARKS FIXED AND YOU
WANT A BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE, IT'S NOT THE RIGHT SOLUTION.
IF YOU ARE JUST UPGRADING THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT'S NOT
GOING TO PUT MORE MONEY INTO THE CRA.
THE ONLY WAY TO PUT MORE MONEY IN THE CRA IS BUILD SHINY NEW
BUILDINGS AND EXPENSIVE BUILDINGS.
THAT'S WHY DOWNTOWN HAS SO MUCH MONEY IN IT.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT IF YOU DON'T WANT GENTRIFICATION AND
YOU DON'T WANT THESE FANCY NEW BUILDINGS, IF THE AD VALOREM
TAXES GO UP IN SULPHUR SPRINGS, THE CITY STILL HAS THAT
MONEY.
IT'S NOT NEW MONEY.
THE ONLY WAY WE GET NEW MONEY IS IF WE PROMOTE
GENTRIFICATION.
BY CHARTER, CITY COUNCIL HAS THE RIGHT TO APPROVE THE
BUDGET.
THE MAYOR PROPOSED A BUDGET, BUT WE APPROVE IT.
WE CAN CHANGE IT WITH FIVE VOTES.
WE CAN DO ANYTHING WE WANT ON THE CITY COUNCIL.
WE HAVE CONTROL OF THE BUDGET.
TYPICALLY THERE'S SOME DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN CITY COUNCIL
MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, BUT WE DON'T NEED THE
MAYOR'S OFFICE BUY-IN.
WE CAN DO THIS.

JUST LIKE WITH THE STEPPING STONES, WE CAN ALLOCATE THE
MONEY.
IF THE ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T SPEND IT, WE HAVE TO DRAG THEM
HERE.
HOPEFULLY THEY WILL COOPERATE BECAUSE THE PROBLEM THAT WAS
IDENTIFIED IS REAL.
IF COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA OR SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A
MOTION AT SOME POINT, PROPOSE 500,000 AS A BUCKET FOR
NONPROFITS IN SULPHUR SPRINGS.
ANOTHER NONPROFIT I VISITED, LAILA'S HOUSE, FRIEND OF MINE
STARTED, IT'S PART OF CHAMPIONS FOR CHILDREN, ALL THESE
GREAT PROGRAMS IN SULPHUR SPRINGS.
WE FUNDED ONE, BUT WE CAN FUND OTHERS.
SET ASIDE 500,000 OR A MILLION DOLLARS OF GENERAL FUND MONEY
FOR A BUCKET AND WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE SOCIAL ARTS AND
ACTION BUDGET IN A MINUTE.
IF WE HAD AN EXTRA 500,000 OR MILLION DOLLARS FOR NONPROFITS
IN SULPHUR SPRINGS THAT FOLLOW A CERTAIN KIND OF POLICY,
THEN WE COULD GET A STAFF PERSON TO ACCEPT GRANT
APPLICATIONS AND PROVIDE MONEY.
THAT COULD BE TRANSFORMATIONAL.
WE CAN DO THAT RIGHT NOW.
DO THAT TODAY, MAKE THAT PROPOSAL.
I THINK IT WOULD PASS.
WE COULD ALSO PUT IT IN THE NEXT BUDGET, MORE THAN 500,000

OR A MILLION DOLLARS, WE CAN.
WE, CITY COUNCIL, NEED TO STAND TOGETHER AND SUPPORT THESE
NEIGHBORHOODS AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE FIVE VOTES.
THANK YOU.
10:47:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND THEN ME.
10:47:05AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
I AGREE WITH SOME.
I DISAGREE WITH OTHERS.
ANYWAY, A CRA TO ME IS A BANKING OF TIME.
BEFORE THAT BANKING OF TIME, THERE WAS NOTHING THERE THAT
HAPPENED DURING THAT TIME.
YOU HAVE A CRA AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE THERE MAKE THE
CHANGES, THEN YOU HAVE A BANKING THAT WORKS.
CRA STAY STATUS QUO, THEN YOU FAIL.
BUT I HAVE YET TO SEE A CRA THAT'S FAILING IN TAMPA.
WHAT HAPPENS IN THE NEXT NINE YEARS, EIGHT YEARS, WHATEVER
IS LEFT?
THE CITY OF TAMPA WILL INHERIT A LOT OF MONEY INTO THEIR
WHAT?
GENERAL FUND.
HUNDRED PERCENT OF WHATEVER IT IS.
AT THE SAME TIME, THEY ARE GOING TO INHERIT A PORTION OF 8
DIFFERENT CRAs THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP TO A STANDARD
THAT WAS NOT THERE BEFORE.
WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, IT WORKS.

CRAs DO EXIST IN FLORIDA.
MIGHT BE AN ENDING TO THEM, MAYBE NOT.
WAY OF LIFE OF DOING THINGS, POLITICIANS DON'T GET INVOLVED
AND MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE MAKE THE DECISIONS IN A WAY.
BUT WHEN YOU SEE THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS HAPPENING IN
DIFFERENT AREAS, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THERE'S NO CRA IN YBOR
CITY FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS?
NOTHING MAYBE.
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE WATERFRONT ON THE EAST SIDE OF
TOWN.
WHAT HAPPENED THERE?
HOLY HELL, THIS IS GORGEOUS.
WE'RE GOING TO INHERIT THAT WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT AND
YOU'LL HAVE THAT MONEY COMING TO THE GENERAL FUND.
THE ONES TAKING THE HEAT, THE ONES WHO DON'T LIKE CRAs
GOING TO BE FORGOTTEN.
WHOEVER COMES IN THE NEXT EIGHT YEARS WHEN THE CRA BRINGS IN
THE MONEY, THEY WILL BE IN WONDERFUL LAND.
THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITIES BECAUSE OF FUNDS
THAT WOULD GO A HUNDRED PERCENT TO THE GENERAL FUND, NO TO
THE NOWHERE ELSE.
YOU HEAR PEOPLE RUNNING FOR DIFFERENT OFFICES, POUNDING
THEIR CHEST, I DON'T POUND MY CHEST BECAUSE I HAVE A VERY
NARROW CHEST.

IT WOULD HURT.
BUT I ADMIT TO THAT.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE
AT.
RUNNING A BUSINESS, RUNNING A CITY, AND LIVING A LIFE IS ALL
THE SAME, JUST IN DIFFERENT NUMBERS.
SO THESE NUMBERS IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS MAY OR MAY NOT FIGURE
INTO HAVING A CRA.
HOWEVER, THEN YOU HAVE THE OTHER ANIMAL LOOKING AT YOU, THEY
MAY BE ALL ABOLISHED OTHER THAN THE ONES WE HAVE NOW.
YOU'RE TAKING A RISK ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
BUT YBOR CITY FAILED TWO OR THREE TIMES.
I SHOULDN'T SAY THE WORDS FAIL.
DIDN'T MEET THE EXPECTATIONS THAT WERE SET FORTH.
THE OTHERS HAVE ALL MET THE EXPECTATIONS THE FIRST TIME
AROUND, I BELIEVE.
THERE ARE DIFFERENT AREAS OF TOWN THAT YOU COULD HAVE WALKED
THROUGH AND YOU SAY WHAT AM I DOING HERE?
WHEN THOSE LOTS WERE 15,000, 10,000, NOW THEY ARE 500, 600
THOUSAND THE SAME LOT.
YOU SAY, WHAT HAPPENED?
WHAT HAPPENED WAS IT GOT DEVELOPED THE RIGHT WAY.
AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
LISTEN, I LIVED IN THE BEST PLACE IN THE WORLD.
IT WAS CALLED TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY.

WE NEVER HAD NO PROBLEM.
HAD A LOT OF KIDS.
HAD A LOT OF FUN.
LIKE COUNCILMAN VIERA WAS SAYING, WE HAD ONE THING CALLED
CUSCADEN PARK POOL.
WHEN THAT POOL WENT DOWN ONCE FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS, WE DIDN'T
KNOW WHAT TO DO.
IT WAS A UNITY FOR US TO CHITCHAT WITH EACH OTHER AND
UNDERSTAND MORE AND MORE.
WHEN YOU LEARN THINGS, YOU DON'T LEARN ABOUT BEING JUST WITH
YOUR MOTHER AND FATHER.
SURE, THEY ARE THE GUIDANCE.
YOU GO OUT AND LISTEN TO THE WORLD AND YOU UNDERSTAND, YOUR
MIND STARTS TO FLICKER, IS THIS RIGHT OR WRONG?
THAT'S WHAT MAKES KIDS HUMAN BEINGS, MEN AND WOMEN.
EVERYTHING IN LIFE COMES AROUND AND GOES AROUND.
I'M OPEN TO ALL DISCUSSIONS OF SULPHUR SPRINGS BECAUSE I
REMEMBER ONE TIME THEY NEEDED DENSITY, SO WHAT HAPPENS?
THEY STARTED BUILDING DUPLEXES FOR DENSITY.
TRUE FACT.
BUT THAT HELPED TO SOME DEGREE AND HURT IN ANOTHER DEGREE.
WE WANT SOMETHING MUCH BETTER LOOKING THAN THAT.
HOWEVER, IT DOES HAVE A PROBLEM.
THREE PROBLEMS.
THE INTERSTATE, REAL FAST.

FLORIDA AVENUE, REAL FAST.
NEBRASKA AVENUE, REAL FAST.
YOU DON'T RECOGNIZE IT BECAUSE YOU'RE ALWAYS SPEEDING
THROUGH TO GET WHEREVER YOU ARE GOING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:51:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I KNEW OF A WONDERFUL HUMAN BEING WHO PASSED AWAY A COUPLE
OF YEARS AGO NAMED JOSEPH ROBINSON OF SULPHUR SPRINGS.
I MET HIM WHEN I WAS INVOLVED WITH THAN OVER A DECADE AGO.
HE TOLD ME SULPHUR SPRINGS IS THE POOREST NEIGHBORHOOD IN
THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I ALWAYS REMEMBER WHAT HE SAID.
I WENT TO A GREAT SOURCE OF INFORMATION ABOUT SULPHUR
SPRINGS WHICH IS MY MOTHER OR MY GRANDMOTHER BECAUSE THEY
SPENT SO MUCH TIME THERE IN THE '60s AND 1970s.
SPENT TIME AT THE TOWER DRIVE-IN, WHICH IS GONE.
THE K-MART, NO LONGER THERE.
SULPHUR SPRINGS ARCADE DEMOLISHED AT THE END OF THE 1970s
AND THEN NORTH GATE SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH IS THERE.
THERE IS A HOME DEPOT.
FLORILAND MALL NORTH OF THERE.
A LOT OF MEMORIES FROM THEIR YOUTH WHEN THEY LIVED IN EAST
TAMPA -- EVEN WHEN THEY WENT TO WEST TAMPA, THEY SPENT A LOT
OF TIME ON FLORIDA AND NEBRASKA AVENUE.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS, IN THEIR OPINION, THE CITY CHANGED.

THE INTERSTATE CAME THROUGH.
DID A LOT OF DAMAGE.
THE SHOPPING MALLS STARTED OPENING UP.
WESTSHORE MALL AND 67 AND TAMPA BAY CENTER IN '76.
BUT AS THINGS COME FULL CIRCLE, THE MALLS ARE DYING.
TAMPA BAY CENTER IS NOT THERE.
WESTSHORE MALL IS SLOWLY BECOMING MORE AND MORE EMPTY
BECAUSE I GO THERE PRETTY OFTEN.
PEOPLE ARE GOING BACK TO THE URBAN CORE.
THE ATTENTION IS BEING FOCUSED ON THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA TALKED ABOUT YBOR CITY.
YBOR CITY 40 YEARS AGO WAS TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
DOWNTOWN 20 YEARS AGO TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
SEMINOLE HEIGHTS 30 YEARS AGO TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
THESE AREAS HAVE ALL COME BACK.
WE CAN USE THAT IN ANY COMMUNITY.
EAST TAMPA, THE LARGEST CRA, THEN YOU HAVE SULPHUR SPRINGS
OUTSIDE OF THE CRA.
BUT THESE ARE AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN IGNORED AND FORGOTTEN
BECAUSE OF CHANGES THAT HAVE COME AND THINGS THAT PEOPLE DO.
PEOPLE FLOCK TO THE SHOPPING MALLS.
PEOPLE FLOCK TO THE SUBURBAN AREAS.
THEY LEFT THAT URBAN CORE AND NOW THEY ARE COMING BACK TO
THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
I TALKED YOUR EAR OFF THE OTHER DAY WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS

AND I COULD TALK FOR ANOTHER HOUR ABOUT IT.
I SAID THAT I HOPE THE NEXT MAYOR, BECAUSE THIS TERM IS
COMING AT THE END AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ELECTIONS AND
EVERYTHING, THAT THEY TALK ABOUT THE AREAS OF THE CITY THAT
HAVE BEEN FORGOTTEN.
THERE HAVE BEEN PROJECTS IN THE PAST THAT HAVE MADE IMPACTS,
BUT WE NEED SOMETHING ON A GRANDEUR SCALE.
WE'VE SEEN THE GROWTH OF WATER STREET.
I KNEW THE MAN THAT OWNED A LOT OF THE PROPERTY OF WHERE
WATER STREET IS AT TODAY.
IT WAS JUST -- THIS IS 25 YEARS AGO.
WE WERE SO IMPRESSED WE OWNS ALL THESE LOTS, ALL THIS LAND
DOWNTOWN, BUT NOTHING WAS HAPPENING.
THAT ESTATE SOLD PROPERTY TO WHAT IS NOW THE VINIK GROUP AND
WATER STREET.
I WISH THAT MAN WERE ALIVE TODAY.
DIED 15 YEARS AGO, HE COULD SEE, HEY, LOOK AT WHAT YOU USED
TO HAVE.
LOOK AT WHAT IT HAS BECOME.
I THINK IT CAN APPLY ANYWHERE.
I THINK IN THE NEXT ELECTIONS THAT WE HAVE CANDIDATES OR WE
HAVE A MAYOR THAT SAYS LET'S FOCUS -- WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL
IN SO MANY PARTS, THE RIVERWALK, DOWNTOWN, EVERYTHING I
MENTIONED.
CAN WE EXPAND ON THAT? THE MAYOR IS THE BIGGEST CHEERLEADER

FOR THE CITY.
THE CITY COUNCIL IS HERE.
WE ARE THE LEGISLATIVE BODY.
WE TRY TO PROVIDE THE CHECKS AND BALANCES, BUT TO TALK TO
PEOPLE -- IT'S NOT ABOUT GENTRIFYING AND PUTTING PEOPLE OUT.
WE WANT TO REINVEST IN THE COMMUNITIES AND LIFT THEM UP.
I TALKED TO A GROUP YEARS AGO AND I ACTUALLY GOT BOOED.
I LIVE IN WEST TAMPA.
I WANT THE REST OF THE CITY TO HAVE WHAT WE HAVE.
I WANT A STRONG MIDDLE CLASS.
I WANT ACCESSIBILITY TO BASIC SERVICES, RESTAURANTS, FOOD,
FRESH FOOD.
THAT IS A BIG DISCUSSION THAT CAME UP IN SULPHUR SPRINGS.
WE WERE AT A CANDIDATE FORUM, I REMEMBER COUNCIL MEMBER
HURTAK WAS THERE WITH ME, AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT ACCESS
TO FRESH FOOD.
YOU HAVE A WALMART NEIGHBORHOOD GROCERY RIGHT THERE AT
FLORIDA AND BUSCH AND THEN BEYOND THAT, YOU HAVE THE WALMART
ON HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE CLOSE TO 15th.
YOU HAVE THE WINN DIXIE AT NEBRASKA AND MLK, BUT YOU HAVE A
BARREN AREA.
THEY CALL THEM FOOD DESERTS.
THERE ARE OTHER NAMES TO APPLY TO THAT.
SULPHUR SPRINGS DOESN'T HAVE WHAT THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY
HAS.

AND THAT APPLIES TO GOING EVEN FURTHER EAST, ALL THE WAY TO
THE CITY LIMITS.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE THOSE INVESTMENTS.
THE REST OF THE CITY IS FLOURISHING IN SOME DEGREE OR
CAPACITY.
BUT SULPHUR SPRINGS SPECIFICALLY AND EAST TAMPA IN GENERAL,
THEY ARE FROZEN IN TIME.
AGAIN, MY MOTHER WILL TELL YOU, WHERE SHE WENT IN THE '60s
AND '70s, THEY ARE EITHER NOT THERE OR THE BUILDINGS ARE
THERE BUT THE SERVICES, THE INVESTMENT IS NOT THERE WHILE
THE REST OF THE CITY HAS GROWN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR OCTOBER 30th PRESENTATION.
I KNOW WE SHOULD BE WAITING FOR THIS UNTIL THEN.
YES, SIR.
THEN COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:57:00AM >>EVAN JOHNSON:
JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK COMMENTS AND I
APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS FROM YOU ALL.
YES, WE ALL TALKED SEPARATELY OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS.
ONE WAS, YOU MENTIONED THE FOOD ACCESS.
I WAS REMISS AND I DIDN'T MENTION THE FACT THAT THIS WHOLE
EFFORT HAS BEEN REALLY SINCE THE BEGINNING FOCUSED ON
COLLABORATION INTERNALLY WITH THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS IN THE
ORGANIZATION.
SO WE'RE WORKING WITH ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AS THEY WORK ON

THEIR FOOD ACCESS PROGRAM WHICH IS VERY MUCH FOCUSED ON
SULPHUR SPRINGS.
SO WE'RE IN CLOSE COLLABORATION WITH THEM AS WELL.
I ALSO WANT TO MENTION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, YES, THIS WILL
BE A FRAMEWORK, YES, A ROAD MAP AS WE GET TO THE END THAT
HOPEFULLY CAN BE AN INVESTMENT STRATEGY, HELP GUIDE THE
INVESTMENT STRATEGY.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR THINGS WE CAN DO NOW.
GOOD EXAMPLES ARE MOBILITY HAS BEEN VERY EXPENSIVE TO OUR
DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IMPROVING PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY AND SO
FORTH. I SEE THINGS COMING BEFORE THE PROJECT IS OVER,
HOPEFULLY, THAT ARE FIXES THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO PEOPLE.
SO I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE THAT WAY BECAUSE I THINK
THIS IS THE TIME WHERE EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY, MOST OF
THE FOLKS ARE GETTING ENGAGED.
IT IS A GREAT CHANCE TO LEARN ABOUT THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION, I KNOW THAT THERE IS A
DISCUSSION ABOUT THE POOL AND THE COMMUNITY IS VERY FOCUSED
ON IT, OF COURSE.
I DO WANT TO SAY I HAVE BEEN AND WE HAVE BEEN NOTHING BUT
IMPRESSED WITH THE PARKS AND REC STAFF AT THE COMMUNITY
CENTERS IN SULPHUR SPRINGS.
THEY REALLY ARE DOING GOD'S WORK, TAKING CARE OF THE
CHILDREN AND THE FACILITIES ARE FANTASTIC.
SO I JUST -- THEY HAVE BEEN NOTHING BUT HELPFUL IN OUR WORK

DOWN THERE AS WE ENGAGE WITH FOLKS AND USE THEIR FACILITIES.
JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT.
10:58:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:58:41AM >>LUIS VIERA:
REALLY FAST, IF I MAY.
MY VISION FOR SULPHUR SPRINGS IS TO CONNECT IT TO NORTH
TAMPA.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT COPELAND PARK, TERRACE
PARK OFF BUSCH BOULEVARD, TAKE A LOOK AT OVERLOOK COMMUNITY,
THERE IS A LOT OF WORKING CLASS HOUSEHOLDS THERE, LOWER
INCOME HOUSEHOLDS THERE, SOME MIDDLE CLASS AND SO FORTH.
SULPHUR SPRINGS, WE CAN DO BETTER WITH SULPHUR SPRINGS WITH
70% CHILD POVERTY.
I THINK CONNECTING IT, SO TO SPEAK TO THE LIFESTYLE THAT
COMMUNITIES HAVE IS NOT AN UNREASONABLE ASK.
IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT A CRA, HYPOTHETICAL TYPE OF A DEAL,
THE RESULT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING LIKE CHANNELSIDE.
IT WOULD BE EAST TAMPA.
RESIDENTS I THINK WOULD BE PROUD OF THEIR CRA AND EVERYTHING
LIKE THAT.
WITH REGARDS TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON, TALKED ABOUT THE BUDGET,
I BELIEVE I HAVE A MOTION THAT'S COMING UP WHERE THE
ADMINISTRATION IS TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT ITEMS ARE IN THE BUDGET
FOR SULPHUR SPRINGS TO SORT OF HIGHLIGHT THAT.
SUPPOSED TO BE A RECURRING MOTION, SO THAT SHOULD BE COMING
UP.

I'M GLAD THAT COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN MENTIONED OUR FRIENDS IN
PALMETTO BEACH.
YEAH, I'D LOVE TO SEE SOME ACTION OR SOMETHING FOR THOSE
FOLKS.
DURING HELENE AND BEFORE MILTON I SPENT A LOT OF TIME THERE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE THERE.
A LOT OF GOOD FOLKS THERE.
THAT'S ALL.
11:00:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND --
11:00:10AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THIS IS MY LAST.
I THINK SULPHUR SPRINGS GOT AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY TO
REALLY TAKE OFF.
IT'S SITTING IN A PERFECT LOCATION.
IT NEEDS ONE THING -- OPPORTUNITY FOR JOBS.
YOU CAN'T HAVE JOBS UNLESS YOU HAVE INDUSTRY WITHIN WALKING
DISTANCE.
THAT'S WHAT MADE YBOR CITY IN THE BEGINNING AND AT THE END
OF THE DAY, THAT'S WHAT MADE YBOR CITY COME BACK, WHEN THE
PEOPLE CAME BACK TO LIVE THERE, EVERYTHING WENT UP, NO
MATTER WHERE IT WAS, FOOD INDUSTRY, BEVERAGE BUSINESS.
I THINK SULPHUR SPRINGS CAN DO THAT IF WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES
FOR JOBS AND BRING INDUSTRIES THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS
WORKING ON WITH OTHER INDIVIDUALS, MAYBE TRY TO SWAY, THIS
ADMINISTRATION, ANY GOVERNMENT OR ANYONE HERE CAN DO THAT IF
WE KNOW SOMEBODY WANTS TO RELOCATE, SULPHUR SPRINGS,

OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A JOB FORCE READY AND WILLING TO WORK
CLOSE BY WITHOUT TRANSPORTATION.
THAT IS THE KEY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I TALKED TO YOU AND YOUR STAFF AND APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU
TOLD US.
THANK YOU.
11:01:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WAS THERE ANY MOTION?
IF NOT, WE'LL GO TO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE POOL AND THEN
WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
MRS. WYNN WILL DISCUSS THE POOL, AND THEN WE WILL OPEN IT UP
FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE HAVE THREE REGISTERED SPEAKERS STARTING WITH ROBIN
LOCKETT, CONNIE BURTON, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
11:01:34AM >>OCEA WYNN:
OCEA WYNN, ADMINISTRATOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND
COMMUNITY AFFAIRS.
ABOUT THE POOL, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION
ABOUT WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THE POOL, KEEP IT CLOSED,
OR WHATEVER, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT BEFORE ANY DECISION CAN
BE MADE IN TERMS OF REPAIR, REBUILD, THE FIRST THING WE HAVE
TO FOCUS ON IS REPAIRING THE SEAWALL.
REGARDLESS OF WHERE WE END UP, THE SEAWALL MUST BE REPAIRED
AND THAT'S THE ATTENTION THAT WE ARE GIVING TO THE POOL AT
THIS POINT IN TIME.
WE CONSULTED WITH SEVERAL CONTRACTORS, LOOKED AT CONTRACTORS

REPORTS AND THEY ARE ALL OF THE SAME MINDSET THAT IS THE
FIRST STEP THAT WE HAVE TO DO.
ONCE WE UNDERSTAND HOW EXTENSIVE THAT REPAIR IS, WE WILL BE
BETTER POSITIONED TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE
AND HOW LONG THOSE NEXT STEPS ARE GOING TO TAKE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT STARTING THE SEAWALL REPAIR WITHIN THE NEXT
TWO MONTHS.
WE HAVE AN AFFIDAVIT GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW, IF
THERE ARE NO HICCUPS, IT WILL BE IN SHORT ORDER.
THE REPAIRS ARE SO EXTENSIVE, I DO NOT ANTICIPATE IT WILL BE
COMPLETE OVER THE SUMMER.
I WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.
IT NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT WE WANT TO DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST
TIME.
AFTER THE CONTRACTORS GET IN, WE'LL KNOW BETTER.
I CAN COME AND REPORT SOMETHING MORE CONCRETE IN TERMS OF
THE POOL AND THE PROCESS AND ALL OF THAT.
WHERE WE ARE GOING FORWARD.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, AS YOU ALWAYS DO AND THANK YOU FOR THIS,
YOU BRING UP CONCERNS ABOUT THE KIDS AND WHAT THEY ARE GOING
TO DO OVER THE SUMMER AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THEM
OCCUPIED.
AS YOU ARE AWARE OR EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT, LAST YEAR, WE HAD A
SHUTTLE SERVICE TO TAKE THE KIDS FROM SULPHUR SPRINGS TO
COPELAND PARK.

WE WILL ENTERTAIN THAT AGAIN THIS YEAR TO SEE THE LEVEL OF
INTEREST.
IT WAS NOT HIGHLY USED LAST YEAR.
SO IF IT'S NOT USED THIS YEAR, WE ARE GOING TO BE MORE
CONSIDERATE OF CITY RESOURCES AND HAVING A SHUTTLE SHOW UP
AND NO ONE APPEARS.
ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WE HAVE THE
SPRINGHILL PARK THAT HAS A SPLASH PAD, WHICH IS SAFER ACCESS
THAN CROSSING NEBRASKA TO SULPHUR SPRINGS.
WE ARE LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN REACTIVATE THAT PARK TO
ACCOMMODATE MORE HOURS THAT WILL ALLOW ACCESS FOR THE
STUDENTS OR FOR THE KIDS OR FOR THE COMMUNITY.
WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN MAKE THE SPLASH PAD EVEN
BIGGER, EVEN LARGER.
SO WE ARE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT THINGS TO ALLOW THOSE KIDS TO
HAVE SOMETHING TO DO OVER THE SUMMER.
THIS INCLUDES WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS LIKE COMMUNITY
STEPPING STONES.
WE'RE WORKING WITH THE Y AND SOME OF THE OTHER ONES AS WELL
SO THAT WE CAN -- AGAIN, WE'RE NOT DOING THESE ONE-OFFS, BUT
WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS COMPREHENSIVELY SO THAT WE ALL CAN
JUST PROVIDE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, IF IT'S ARTS, IF ITS SPLASH
PADS OR SOMETHING ELSE, WE CAN COMMUNICATE THAT OUT.
WE HAVE A CENTER THAT WAS JUST BROUGHT ONLINE, WHICH IS
BARTHOLOMEW CENTER.

WE WILL BE ACTIVATING THAT AND REACTIVATING THAT FOR THE
SENIORS AND MORE THINGS FOR THE KIDS TO DO AS WELL.
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO COMMUNICATE ON THE POOL.
MIAMI HERE TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
11:05:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
REAL QUICK, BEFORE I GO TO HURTAK AND
HENDERSON, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T FIX THE SEAWALL BECAUSE OF
THE POSITIONING OF THAT POOL, IT'S NEVER GOING TO GET FIXED
RIGHT.
IT'S GOING TO BE CONSTANT CLOSURE.
THE SEAWALL IS THE MOST IMPORTANT.
IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM AN AERIAL VIEW OR ANY ENGINEER, IF
ANY ENGINEER WOULD BE, FIRST, WILLING TO TAKE ON THE JOB
BECAUSE IT'S COMPLICATED, THAT SEAWALL IS THE MOST IMPORTANT
THING, BECAUSE OF THE EROSION, KEEP TRACKING THAT POOL,
DAMAGING THAT POOL AND WE'RE NEVER GOING TO FIX IT RIGHT.
THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
THANK YOU FOR THAT AND THANK YOU FOR THE TIMELINE.
NUMBER TWO, REGARDING THE SPLASH PADS, WHERE MY LIFE AND I
LIVE WITH OUR 12-YEAR-OLD, OUR POOLS ARE CLOSED.
IT'S A CONDO ISSUE.
WE'VE BEEN TAKING HER AND SHE LOVES THE POOL.
IT IS A SENSORY THING.
SHE'S AUTISTIC.
SHE LOVES THE POOL.
WE'VE BEEN TAKING HER TO JULIAN LANE PARK, WITH THE SPLASH

PADS, HAPPIER THAN SHE'S BEEN AND THE SPLASH PARKS.
I DON'T HAVE A KID SCREAMING AT HOME BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET
IN THE POOL SO WE'RE MAKING USE OF THAT, TOO.
THE SPLASH PADS AND THOSE AMENITIES ARE VERY, VERY HELPFUL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK AND HENDERSON.
11:06:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I SPOKE TO YOU BEFORE ABOUT SOME OF THESE ISSUES.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE INFORMATION
ABOUT THE SPLASH PAD IN SPRINGHILL.
I THINK THAT WILL BE GOOD.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I ASKED ABOUT WAS LAST YEAR, WE DID
-- THE CITY DID A BIG PUSH FOR NATIONAL SWIM LESSON DAY.
I WAS HOPING YOU COULD TALK ABOUT MAYBE WHAT WE COULD DO FOR
THE YOUTH IN SULPHUR SPRINGS ON NATIONAL SWIM LESSON DAY.
11:07:23AM >>OCEA WYNN:
ABSOLUTELY, I WILL HAPPILY TALK ABOUT THAT.
PARTICULARLY IN THE SULPHUR SPRINGS AREA, WELL, ALL AREAS, I
DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC STATS.
BUT THE BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES ARE THE COMMUNITIES THAT
HAVE THE HIGHEST INCIDENTS OF DROWNINGS.
SO WE'RE SUPER EXCITED TO PROVIDE SHUTTLES FROM THOSE, OR
TRANSPORTATION FROM THOSE COMMUNITIES TO THE NATIONAL SWIM
DAY, WHICH IS IN JUNE, AND IT WILL BE HELD IN COPELAND PARK.
WE'LL DO THE SAME THING FOR THE SULPHUR SPRINGS AREA.
WE'LL COMMUNICATE OUT TO EVERYONE TO LET THEM KNOW WHEN IT

IS AND WE'LL PICK UP, YES, IT IS A TRANSPORT.
YES, WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THAT AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT'S
COMMUNICATED.
I SHOULD HAVE HAD THE DATES.
I DON'T.
I'LL MAKE SURE THAT'S COMMUNICATED OUT.
11:08:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S OKAY.
I DO APPRECIATE IT.
ADDITIONALLY, WE TALKED ABOUT THE EXPANDED PARTNERSHIPS THAT
YOU HAVE.
SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU SPOKE ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
THOSE WERE THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT.
I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT YOU'RE FOCUSING ON THE SEAWALL AND
THAT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD.
UNFORTUNATELY, I KNOW IT IS A SLOW PROCESS BECAUSE GETTING A
LOT OF ENGINEERS, JUST DIFFERENT BIDS TO LOOK AT THAT
SEAWALL, I KNOW IT WAS VERY COMPLICATED.
IT'S REALLY UNFORTUNATE THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE POOL THIS
SUMMER, BUT THERE'S REALLY NO OTHER WAY TO HAVE GONE AROUND
IT, WE HAVE TO GET THE SEAWALL FIXED.
I DID WANT TO TAKE THE TIME SINCE I DIDN'T SPEAK EARLIER, I
WANTED TO PUT ALL MY COMMENTS TOGETHER, THE MOBILITY
DEPARTMENT JUST TOOK ME, MY AIDE, MS. SCHARF AND I ON A BIKE
RIDE TO SEE THE GREEN ARTERY SEGMENTS, D AND E, WHICH WILL
GO AROUND AND NEAR SULPHUR SPRINGS.

IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO HUG THE RIVER AS IT TURNS.
THAT'S FROM THE WEST SIDE.
THEN IT CROSSES THE STREET AT BIRD.
IT CROSSES FLORIDA AVENUE.
WE HAD TO BIKE ALONG BIRD AND GO DOWN INTO THE SULPHUR
SPRINGS PARK.
HEY, YOU ALL, DO YOU KNOW THERE IS A BOARDWALK UNDER 275 AND
THEY WERE LIKE, WHAT?
WE TOOK THE BOARDWALK UNDER 275 AND WE ENDED RIGHT THERE AT
THE BEAUTIFUL SULPHUR SPRINGS WATER TOWER PARK.
ALL IT WOULD TAKE IS SOME ASPHALT TO CONNECT IT TO FLORIDA
AVENUE AND THEN YOU HAVE SO MUCH MORE INTERACTION AND THAT
IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE CAN USE TO CONNECT TO FLORIDA
AVENUE A LITTLE BIT MORE SAFER THAN BIRD STREET.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M TALKING TO THE MOBILITY
DEPARTMENT ABOUT, JUST LIKE MR. JOHNSON SAID EARLIER, THERE
ARE THINGS WE CAN DO BEFORE WE GET THIS PLAN, AND THAT'S
HIGH ON MY AGENDA AS THE THINGS THAT WE COULD DO.
NOW, GETTING A CROSSING AT FLORIDA AVENUE IS LIKE ANOTHER
THING, BECAUSE THAT IS AN F.D.O.T. ROAD.
BUT, YOU KNOW, START SMALL.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE CAN CONNECT.
THE BOARDWALK AROUND THE MANATEES AND THE SPRING ITSELF NEED
SOME LOVE AND HELP AS WELL.
THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT THIS BODY COULD HELP FUND TO

HELP THAT CONNECTIVITY AND HELP PEOPLE BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE
RIVER MORE ON THAT SIDE.
QUITE FRANKLY, THE MANATEES ARE A BIG DRAW AND THE FACT YOU
CAN'T GET THEM TO NOW IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY IS
UPSET ABOUT.
BEING ABLE TO OPEN THAT AND THEN THAT FABULOUS SHELTER ON
THE RIVER, THE PARK SHELTER THAT THE COMMUNITY USES FOR MANY
EVENTS, BUT ESPECIALLY THE BOAT PARADE IN THE HOLIDAY TIME,
BUT ALSO JUST THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING WITH COMMUNITY
STEPPING STONES AND OTHER K-8 SCHOOL, THE NEWLY REOPENED
COMMUNITY CENTER, JUST THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO
AND THE SMALLER THINGS IN THE SHORT TERM, WHILE WE WAIT FOR
THE BIGGER PLAN, I'M JUST REALLY HAPPY TO SEE.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THE PLAN.
I HAD A REALLY WONDERFUL CONVERSATION WITH THE TEAM WORKING
ON THIS.
I JUST CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT'S NEXT.
I'M REALLY GLAD WE'RE FOCUSING ON THIS.
11:11:35AM >>OCEA WYNN:
YOU MENTIONED THE BOARDWALK.
WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF REPAIRING THE BOARDWALK NOW.
THE PROCESS DOES NOT MEAN SOMEONE IS OUT THERE NOW.
WE'RE GIVING DUE ATTENTION TO IT SO IT WOULD BE REPAIRED IN
SHORT ORDER AS WE LOOK AT ACTIVATING THE AREA EVEN MORE.
11:11:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF YOU NEED FUNDS, LET US KNOW BECAUSE WE'RE
DOING THAT NEXT.

ALSO, WHEN THEY ARE LOOKING AT THAT, IF THEY WOULDN'T MIND
LOOKING AT THE FACE UNDER 275, THERE ARE A FEW BOARDS AND
THINGS THAT COULD USE A LITTLE LOVE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT GOES FROM ACTUAL WOOD TO BEING LIKE THE
TRACKS OR WHATEVER -- THANK YOU, THE PLASTIC COMPOSITE --
THE COMPOSITE DECKING OR WHATEVER THAT WE NEED TO DO UNDER
275 TO MAKE THAT WHOLE AS WELL BECAUSE I'M AFRAID AFTER THE
RAINY SEASON, THAT WOULD NEED REPAIR AS WELL.
SO THANK YOU.
11:12:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, CLEAN.
11:12:38AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
MS. WYNN, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING UP THE
TRANSPORTATION THAT WE PROVIDED AS AN ALTERNATIVE BECAUSE
SULPHUR SPRINGS POOL WAS NOT AVAILABLE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
DO YOU HAVE A FIGURE OF HOW MUCH THAT COSTS?
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT WAS UNDERUTILIZED.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A COMMUNICATION THING OR KIDS
DIDN'T WANT TO RIDE THE TRANSPORTATION TO GO TO A DIFFERENT
POOL.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THAT COST?
THAT WASN'T INITIALLY IN OUR BUDGET.
11:13:08AM >>OCEA WYNN:
NO, MA'AM, IT WAS NOT.
NO, MA'AM, I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF YOU BUT CAN GET IT
FOR YOU.
11:13:14AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
REMEMBER BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT -- WE WERE

IN BUDGET SEASON, SO THE MAYOR ALLOCATED $1 MILLION TO
SULPHUR SPRINGS.
DO YOU ALL REMEMBER THAT?
THAT MILLION DOLLARS, WHAT HAPPENED TO IT?
WAS THAT TO HAVE THE CONTRACTORS?
DID THAT GO TOWARD THE TRANSPORTATION COSTS POSSIBLY?
CAN THAT GO TOWARD IMPROVING THE SPLASH PAD RIGHT AWAY SO
THE KIDS CAN HAVE SOMETHING READILY AVAILABLE AT SPRINGHILL
PARK BECAUSE THE POOL IS NOT GOING TO BE READY.
I ALSO APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT.
I SAID THAT TO THE COMMUNITY.
BECAUSE OF THE SEAWALL ISSUE, I DON'T WANT THEM TO THINK
THIS IS, OH, LET'S PUT A BAND-AID ON IT.
IT'S A SERIOUS ISSUE.
AND THE HARD PART FOR THE COMMUNITY TO HEAR IS THAT WE MAY
NOT BE ABLE TO DO THIS.
I KNOW THAT IS A TOUGH PILL TO SWALLOW, BUT IT MAY BE TRUE
BECAUSE OF THE SEAWALL ISSUE.
I DON'T KNOW THE CONTRACTOR THAT'S WILLING TO TACKLE IT.
YOU SAID SEVERAL CONTRACTORS LOOKED AT IT.
ARE YOU WILLING TO TELL US, DID THEY EXPRESS INTEREST OR
THIS IS OUT OF THEIR SCOPE OF WHAT THEY DO?
11:14:27AM >>OCEA WYNN:
WELL, WE HAD THE CONSULTANTS, LET'S JUST SAY
THE CONSULTANTS LOOKED AT IT, JUST TO LET US KNOW HOW BAD.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS,

AGAIN, NOT JUST PUTTING A BAND-AID, BUT WE HAVE ENOUGH EYES
ON IT TO SEE WHERE THE ISSUE IS.
EVEN AFTER WE REPAIR IT, WE DON'T WANT A SITUATION WHERE IN
FIVE YEARS WE HAVE TO GO REPAIR IT -- RE-REPAIR IT BECAUSE
IT WAS SOMETHING WE DID NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE
FIRST TIME.
WE HAD THE CONSULTANTS COME IN AND JUST TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS
WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH.
SO, NO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I'M NOT PREPARED BECAUSE I
DON'T HAVE THAT.
BUT I CAN GET THAT TO YOU.
I DO KNOW ENOUGH TO SAY THAT THEY ALL CAME IN.
SOME WERE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT AREAS SO THAT WHEN WE DO MAKE
THE REPAIR, WE ARE ONE AND DONE.
11:15:24AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THE MILLION DOLLARS THAT THE MAYOR
REQUESTED IN THE BUDGET FOR SULPHUR SPRINGS, WE CAN TAKE A
LOOK AT THAT IN TERMS OF POSSIBLY THE ALTERNATIVE OF
SPRINGHILL PARK AND MAKING THE SPLASH PAD IMPROVEMENTS
BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT IN THE BUDGET, RIGHT, FOR YOU TO DO
SOMETHING WITH SPRINGHILL PARK IN TERMS OF A SPLASH PAD.
11:15:44AM >>OCEA WYNN:
NO, MA'AM, NOT IN THE BUDGET.
YES, WE'LL LOOK AT IT TO SEE WHERE THE FUNDING IS.
IT'S THERE, BUT WHERE IT IS AND WHAT HAS BEEN -- YOU ASKED
IF IT WAS USED FOR THE CONSULTANTS, I'LL HAVE TO LOOK TO SEE
IF THAT WAS THE CASE, YES.

11:15:59AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS KIND OF LIKE -- I
DON'T WANT TO SAY HURRIED, BUT IT WAS AN ADDED LINE ITEM TO
THE BUDGET AND NOT NECESSARILY WELL DEFINED.
IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING TO THE
PUBLIC, SULPHUR SPRINGS POOL IS NOT GOING TO BE READY.
THE ALTERNATIVE OF A SPLASH PAD WHICH IS VERY SUCCESSFUL
OVER HERE AT -- WHAT IS THE PARK RIGHT HERE IN MY
NEIGHBORHOOD.
YEAH, THAT ONE.
I SEE KIDS THERE ALL THE TIME.
GOOD ALTERNATIVE FOR PARENTS TO DO THAT AND KEEPS THEM ON
THAT SIDE FOR SAFETY REASONS, TRANSPORTATION REASONS, KEEPS
THEM ON THAT SIDE OF THE COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU.
11:16:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOSH, WHERE DO I START?
YOU ARE AN INCREDIBLE PUBLIC SERVANT.
I THINK YOU DO SUCH AN OUTSTANDING JOB.
YOU ARE ABLE TO BALANCE THINGS LIKE I NEVER MET ANYBODY BE
ABLE TO BALANCE WITH YOUR PORTFOLIO.
ABSOLUTELY TREMENDOUS.
I COULD NOT POUR ENOUGH PRAISE ON YOU FOR YOUR JOB.
11:17:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
11:17:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
QUESTION FOR YOU.
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, CITY EMPLOYEES, SEE, WE DO COMPLIMENT --
[ LAUGHTER ]

IT'S NOT ALWAYS ATTACKS.
THE TOWER PARK, WHAT ARE THE LONG-TERM PLANS FOR THAT?
IT IS SUCH AN UNDERUTILIZED PIECE OF PARCEL AND SO WELL
POSITIONED.
AGAIN, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, THE BOARDWALK THAT GOES
UNDERNEATH, IF IT WAS IMPROVED FOR ACCESS TO THE COMMUNITY,
IS THERE A LONG-TERM VISION FOR THAT?
11:17:36AM >>OCEA WYNN:
YES, SIR.
THE LONG-TERM VISION IS -- A COUPLE OF THINGS.
FIRST, OUR GUIDANCE IS THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN.
THAT TELLS US, INSTRUCTS US ON WHAT WE NEED TO DO FOR THE
AREA.
IF THERE ARE OPTIONS -- IF THE POOL IS NOT AN OPTION.
WE'LL LOOK AT WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO.
WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE JUST YET.
BECAUSE WE JUST WANT TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THE CURRENT
ASSET THAT WE HAVE, REPAIR THE PLACE WHERE WE ARE, OR WHAT
HAVE YOU, WE DO HAVE OPTIONS THERE.
WE HAVE TO EXPLORE THEM MORE, THE OUTCOME OF WHERE WE ARE.
BUT --
11:18:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THERE ARE SOME ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.
11:18:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DO UNDERSTAND THAT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER PARCELS THAT WE CONTROL OR CAN WE
CONTROL THAT WOULD BE MORE CENTRALLY LOCATED FOR A POOL?
IF WE REBUILT A POOL, WE COULD PUT IT IN A BETTER LOCATION

IN THE COMMUNITY?
11:18:42AM >>OCEA WYNN:
COUNCIL MEMBER, WE LOOKED AT THAT.
WE STARTED LOOKING AT WHAT WE COULD DO POSSIBLY IN ROWLETT
PARK AND OTHER AREAS AS WELL.
WE ARE EXPLORING THOSE OPTIONS.
11:18:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST SOMETHING THAT GNAWS AT ME,
INTUITIVELY AND NOT QUANTITATIVELY WITH DATA, WE MAY BE
DOUBLING DOWN ON A LOSER.
MAYBE THE BEST PURPOSE OF THE PROPERTY IS RESTORE THE SPRING
AND TAKE OUT THE SEAWALLS AND RESTORE TO A NATURAL HABITAT
WITH THE MANATEES AND ALL.
SINCE WE KIND OF ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THE POOL IS NOT
NECESSARILY IN THE BEST LOCATION FOR SAFETY AND FOR THE
NEIGHBORHOOD, IF WE'RE ABLE TO ACQUIRE PROPERTY AND BUILD A
MODERN WORLD-CLASS FACILITY IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION, THAT
MAY BE THE BEST USE OF THIS MONEY.
AGAIN, ESPECIALLY IF WE CAN'T RESTORE WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REBUILDING, I THINK WE SHOULD BUILD BACK
BETTER AND FIND A BETTER PLACE FOR IT THAT WOULD BE MORE
ACCESSIBLE TO THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO THE KIDS THAT
WALK TO AND FROM THIS PARCEL.
DID I JUST LOSE MY MIND?
DID I WANDER OFF INTO SOMEWHERE?
THOSE ARE MY ONLY THOUGHTS.
JUST EXPRESSING WHAT WAS BOUNCING AROUND IN MY HEAD.

I THINK WE SHOULDN'T GET VAPOR LOCKED ON ONE SOLUTION.
I KNOW YOU ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN
LOOKING AT ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS, EVEN WITH THIS
PARTICULAR SUMMER COMING UP THAT YOU'RE EXPLORING THE YMCA
AND OTHER ALTERNATIVES TO KEEP KIDS ENGAGING KIDS IN SPORTS,
MAYBE OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES IN SOME OF THE PARKS AND ACTIVATING
SOME ACTIVITIES TO KEEP KIDS' MINDS AND BODIES ACTIVE.
11:20:39AM >>OCEA WYNN:
YES, SIR.
TO SUPPORT WHAT WE DID LAST SUMMER, WE PARTNERED WITH HART.
AND IF ANY KID USED THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, USED THE CITY
BUSES AND WERE COMING INTO OUR PARKS, WE HAD A PARTNERSHIP
WITH A RIDE FOR FREE AND THEY COME IN FOR FREE AS WELL.
SO WE LOOKED AT -- WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT THIS AS BROADLY
AS POSSIBLE, YES.
11:21:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.
11:21:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE ARE NOW IN PUBLIC COMMENT.
ROBIN LOCKETT, CONNIE BURTON, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
NO?
MS. BURTON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND STEPHANIE POYNOR
IS THE LAST SPEAKER FOR THIS ITEM.
GOOD MORNING, MA'AM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.

11:21:27AM >> GOOD MORNING.
CONNIE BURTON.
I WANT TO START OUT BY SAYING THE ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF
WORLDWIDE LEADER, RELIGIOUS PERSON POPE FRANCIS TO BE
IDENTIFIED AS A SERVANT OF THE PEOPLE.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY IN YOUR ROLE.
NOT KNOWN AS A DICTATOR OR STRONG FORM OF MAYOR, ANYTHING
LIKE THAT, BUT HAD A WILLINGNESS TO SERVE THE PEOPLE.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU -- IN YOUR ROLE, IN YOUR
CAPACITY OF SAYING NOT KNOWING CERTAIN THINGS, THAT THE
COMMUNITY CAN SEE THE TRANSFORMATION OF THINGS ONCE GIVEN TO
THE COMMUNITY ARE TOLD IT WAS THE COMMUNITY, TO NOW SEE
CERTAIN PARKS AND FACILITIES AND NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE ALMOST
GONE INTO APARTHEID STATE.
THEY HAVE.
TO HEAR NOW ONE OF YOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS SAYING, HEY, WE HAVE
THE POWER TO SET ASIDE THIS MONEY RIGHT NOW SO WE CAN MAKE
THINGS BETTER, I WANT TO SEE THE REACTION FROM THAT.
BUT THEN TO KNOW IN CERTAIN BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES, YOU
HAVE PEOPLE LIVING BELOW THE POVERTY LEVEL IN 2025, THEN YOU
CAN HOLD UP WATER STREET AND ALL THESE WONDERFUL THINGS THAT
THE CRA DID FOR THOSE COMMUNITIES, BUT IN EAST TAMPA, THAT
IS THE FIRST, GO AND TAKE YOUR LAST MEMORY PICTURE OF SAYING
A JOB WELL DONE, RIGHT AT EAST TAMPA.
BECAUSE BEFORE YOU HAD THE CRAs, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU HAD,

COMMUNITY BLOCK GRANT MONEY.
YOU KNOW WHERE THAT MONEY WENT?
TO SPECIALIZED NEIGHBORHOODS.
I'VE BEEN AROUND LONG ENOUGH TO SEE, I SEE THE HANDPRINT
THAT HAS LEFT THIS COMMUNITY.
WHY I'M REALLY HERE TODAY IS 70% OF EVEN IN SULPHUR SPRINGS
AND UNDER THE UNITED NATION, YOUNG PEOPLE IDENTIFIED, YOUTH
IDENTIFIED BETWEEN THE AGE OF 15 AND 24.
I AIN'T HEARD NOTHING EXPLAIN WHAT THOSE CHILDREN WILL DO
FOR THE SUMMER.
FILLING UP THE JUVENILE FACILITY, SOME OF THEM CAUSE MAJOR
CHAOS.
GET IN FRONT OF IT SOMETIME, NOT AFTER THE FACT, NOT AFTER
WE DIDN'T HAVE THE BIG BLOWUP IN YBOR CITY, THEN YOU HAVE
SOME PLANS ON HOW YOU CAN REDUCE CRIMES.
HAVING MORE POLICE IN OUR COMMUNITY DO NOT REDUCE CRIME.
OPPORTUNITIES IS WHAT REDUCE CRIME.
HERE YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY AGAIN WITH THE SUMMER YOUTH
PROGRAM THAT EAST TAMPA HAD THE MONEY.
MS. WYNN DIDN'T NEED -- THIS WOMAN WEARING A THOUSAND HATS.
BUT IN EAST TAMPA BUDGET, THERE WAS MONEY SET ASIDE FOR A
COORDINATOR TO HELP WITH 72 YOUNG PEOPLE THAT COULD HAVE HAD
A JOB.
YOU LANDED AT 48.
HOW MANY CHILDREN FROM SULPHUR SPRINGS IS GOING TO BE PART

OF THAT 48?
PROBABLY NONE.
11:24:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
NEXT SPEAKER IS STEPHANIE POYNOR AND THEN AMY SCOTT DID SIGN
UP.
I HAD TO REFRESH MY iPAD.
THAT WILL CLOSE OUT ITEM NUMBER 3.
AMY SCOTT IS ALSO SIGNED UP FOR ITEM NUMBER 4 AS WELL.
MS. POYNOR, GO AHEAD.
11:24:57AM >> PUT THIS ON THE OVERHEAD.
IT IS BIG.
MY FRIEND ADAM MADE IT FOR ME.
SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SULPHUR SPRINGS, MY FRIEND ADAM
HARDEN WHO HAS PROPERTY UP THERE HAD ME UP THERE WITH
CHARLIE ADAMS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
HE POINTED OUT THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THESE TWO SECTIONS,
SECTION D AND E OF THE GREEN ARTERY, THOSE TWO GO TOGETHER,
BUT THEY LEFT OUT SULPHUR SPRINGS ON CITY-OWNED PROPERTY.
WHAT THE WHAT?
WHY?
SO HE WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT TODAY.
HE ASKED, SO I TOLD HIM I WOULD SPEAK ABOUT THIS.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY WE NEGLECTED THIS PART OF
THE CITY FOR THE ARTERY.
JUST SAYING.

I ALSO GOT A TEXT MESSAGE FROM MY FRIEND MR. KEEPORTS THIS
MORNING, THERE WAS $1.9 MILLION SET ASIDE FOR THE POOL
REPAIR BETWEEN FY '2019 AND FY '23.
PARKS AND REC IS TRYING TO GET A NEW CONTRACT IN PLACE TO
FINALIZE THE FUNDS.
THERE WAS A NICE GENTLEMAN NAMED RONALD GIOVELLI.
I FORWARDED STUFF TO YOU GUYS.
HE SENT THAT IN.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT -- I'M GLAD THAT MS. WYNN SPOKE
TODAY TO THE POOL BECAUSE I THINK WAITING UNTIL OCTOBER IS
ABSOLUTELY ABSURD.
IF YOU'RE GONNA ADVERTISE OTHER PLACES, YOU HAVE ALL THAT
FENCING RIGHT THERE ON NEBRASKA.
GET SOME BIG BANNER SIGNS AND PUT THEM ON THE FENCE.
HERE IS THE WAY TO GO.
FREE BUS RIDE.
IF YOU'RE WORKING WITH HART AND I THINK HART WORKING WITH
THE CITY FOR FREE BUS FARE TO A PARKS AND REC FACILITY IS
THE WAY TO GET OUR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION WORKING.
WHEN I LIVED IN LOUISVILLE, MY KIDS, MY MIDDLE SCHOOLERS ALL
RODE THE BUSES EVERYWHERE.
EVERY TIME THAT A KID WOULD STAY AFTER SCHOOL, THEY GOT A
TICKET FREE TO GO HOME.
SO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM SUPPORTED THE BUS SYSTEM.
I THINK THAT IS A WONDERFUL WAY FOR OUR CITY TO MOVE FORWARD

IN GETTING KIDS ON PUBLIC TRANSIT BECAUSE THEY WILL DRAG
THEIR PARENTS RIGHT ALONG WITH THEM.
IF YOU WANT SOMETHING DONE, YOU GET KIDS ON BOARD, THEY'LL
DRAG THEIR PARENTS RIGHT ALONG WITH THEM.
DON'T WANT ANYBODY SMOKING, A KID WILL TELL YOU, WHY ARE YOU
SMOKING?
THAT'S NASTY.
IF YOU TEACH A KID SOMETHING THAT'S GOOD FOR THE
ENVIRONMENT, THEY ARE GOING TO TELL YOU THAT YOU SHOULD
START DOING THAT BECAUSE KIDS HAVE NO FILTERS, JUST LIKE ME.
BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS SAW THIS.
WE NEED TO ACTIVATE THIS PARK.
TRUST ME, I'M NOT GETTING ON A BICYCLE.
EVERYBODY KNOWS IT.
I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT.
MR. HARDEN AND I AGREED THIS WAS A GOOD THING TO BRING
FORWARD.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE MR. KEEPORTS' OPINIONS WERE SENT TO
YOU GUYS AND THE GUYS DOING THE WORK BECAUSE ALL OF OUR
NEIGHBORS CAN'T COME AND HANG OUT ALL DAY LIKE I DO.
11:27:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AMY SCOTT IS OUR LAST SPEAKER FOR THIS ITEM.
GOOD MORNING, MA'AM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:27:55AM >> AMY SCOTT.

I HAD NOT PLANNED TO SPEAK BUT I HEARD SOMETHING THAT
SPARKED MY CURIOSITY.
I AM ACTUALLY PART OF THE SOUTH SEMINOLE HEIGHTS CIVIC
ASSOCIATION.
WHEN WE MENTIONED THE SULPHUR SPRINGS POOL MAYBE NEEDING
ANOTHER LOCATION, I JUST WANT TO PUT A LITTLE PLUG IN FOR
THE OLD ANGUS GOSS PARK WHICH USED TO HAVE A POOL.
IT WOULD BE A GREAT ALTERNATIVE.
IT'S NEAR SULPHUR SPRINGS.
THERE WAS A POOL THERE.
THE LIBRARY IS RIGHT THERE.
THE MIDDLE SCHOOL IS THERE.
HILLSBOROUGH HIGH IS THERE.
AND WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE OUR POOL BACK IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE DEMOGRAPHIC FOR SOUTH SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, I DON'T KNOW IF
YOU KNOW, IS SHIFTING.
WE HAVE ON MY BLOCK ALONE, WE HAVE FOUR INFANTS.
ALL OF THEM ARE WITHIN ABOUT THREE MONTHS OF EACH OTHER.
THERE IS SIGNIFICANT GROWTH IN KIDS UNDER FIVE WITHIN OUR
NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO IT IS DEFINITELY CHANGING.
HAVING A POOL IN WALKING DISTANCE FOR EVERYONE WOULD BE
IDEAL.
SO IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T DO WHAT SULPHUR
SPRINGS DO TO THE -- DUE TO THE SEAWALL, RIVERCREST HAS A

SEAWALL ISSUE AS WELL, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET OUR PARK
FINISHED AND WORKING ON IT.
THANKS TO ADMINISTRATOR WYNN.
SHE HAS IT ON THE AGENDA.
THE SEAWALL DOES TAKE TIME.
MAYBE ANGUS GOSS WOULD BE A GREAT ALTERNATIVE SO OUR AREA
CAN STILL HAVE A POOL WITHOUT HAVING TO GO ALL THE WAY TO
CYRUS GREENE OR YBOR.
THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY.
THANK YOU.
11:29:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ITEM NUMBER 4.
DO WE NEED ANY MOTIONS FOR THIS?
CONTINUANCE FOR OCTOBER 30, 2025.
11:29:41AM >>LUIS VIERA:
A COUPLE OF THINGS.
I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A WRITTEN STAFF REPORT ON THE STATUS
OF THE POOL MAYBE COME BACK -- YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY
OCTOBER, THE FIRST WEEK OF OCTOBER, IF I MAY.
11:29:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WRITTEN REPORT.
11:29:56AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, WRITTEN.
11:29:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THIS IS A WRITTEN STAFF REPORT, THE
FIRST REGULAR MEETING IN OCTOBER, OCTOBER 9, JUST A STATUS
UPDATE ON THE POOL.
TWO MONTHS WERE MENTIONED REGARDING THE SEAWALL AND WHATNOT.

WE HAVE A MOTION, SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
11:30:16AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THE SECOND ONE, MS. BURTON BROUGHT UP
SOMETHING ON THE SUMMER YOUTH PROGRAM.
WE SHOULD MAKE A REQUEST, BECAUSE WE DID BRING UP THE ISSUE
OF 70% CHILD POVERTY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT COUNCIL THINKS ABOUT THIS ABOUT
ADDITIONALLY FUNDING THAT PROGRAM AND CENTERING IT ON
SULPHUR SPRINGS FOR THIS SUMMER.
WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK?
11:30:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LAST NIGHT I WAS AT AN EVENT AND I SAW
PRESIDENT YVETTE LEWIS.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, ABOUT WHY NOT 72?
I ALSO SPOKE WITH MS. BURTON AT CHRISTMASTIME REGARDING
UPPING THE NUMBER TO 72.
I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.
YVETTE LEWIS HAD MENTIONED YESTERDAY HOW MANY CALLS SHE GOT
DURING SPRING BREAK WHEN KIDS WERE OUT OF SCHOOL AND THAT
WAS A WEEK.
YOU IMAGINE THREE MONTHS IN A SUMMER, ALMOST THREE MONTHS TO
KEEP KIDS EMPLOYED AND BUSY AND WHATNOT, I WOULD BE
SUPPORTIVE OF PUSHING FOR THE FUNDING OR GETTING THAT NUMBER
TO 72.

11:31:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HONESTLY, EVEN 72 IS NOT ENOUGH.
SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL AND BEFORE I WAS ON COUNCIL, I'VE
ALWAYS BEEN AN ADVOCATE OF THESE TYPES OF PROGRAMS.
WHEN I WAS A KID, I WAS A COUNSELOR FOR YOUTH THAT HAD BEEN
IN TROUBLE WITH THE LAW AND I WAS LIKE BIG BROTHER KIND OF
THING.
I SEE, THIS IS AN INHERENTLY GOVERNMENT FUNCTION TO BE ABLE
TO HAVE INTERVENTION INTO YOUNG PEOPLE'S LIVES TO GET THEM
OFF ON THE RIGHT FOOT.
I THINK AS MS. BURTON SAID, IN LIEU OF WHAT?
WE WERE ALL 15.
WHEN I WAS 15 YEARS OLD, IF I WASN'T BUSY, I WAS IN TROUBLE.
ESPECIALLY 15, 16-YEAR-OLD BOYS, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.
THEIR BRAINS GO CRAZY AND THINGS HAPPEN.
WE WANT TO KEEP THEM ENGAGED.
I'M OLD AND SENILE, I GUESS.
11:32:35AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
[INAUDIBLE]
11:32:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I KNOW.
WE SPENT -- I MEAN, I'VE GOT THIS PAGE OF ALL THE SOCIAL
ACTION FUND MONEY AND THERE ARE SOME THINGS, ORGANIZATIONS
WE'VE BEEN SUPPORTING FOR DECADES OR MORE THAT PROBABLY WE
SHOULDN'T BE BECAUSE GIVE THEM A HAND UP AND NOT IN
PERPETUITY.
SOME OF THE GROUPS.
SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF WE'RE DOING, WHAT WE SPENT ON

POLICING AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WHY NOT BE PROACTIVE?
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SOLVED THIS SUMMER.
WE CAN HELP AND EXPAND A LITTLE BIT THIS SUMMER.
I THINK AS A LONG-TERM GOAL OF THE CITY, I THINK WE SHOULD
HAVE A CONSEQUENTIAL SUMMER YOUTH PROGRAM.
IF WE SPEND MORE MONEY ON THAT, MAYBE WE CAN SPEND LESS
MONEY ON POLICING.
I THINK THAT IS AN ADMIRABLE GOAL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA TO
PURSUE.
11:33:26AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
FOR ME, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT HAPPENED WHEN THIS BODY
BECAME COUNCIL AND CRA BOARD WAS WE VOTED TO MOVE THE EAST
TAMPA CRA FUNDS, TAKE THE SUMMER YOUTH EMPLOYMENT PROGRAM
OUT OF THE CRA BECAUSE IT'S NOT SLUM AND BLIGHT AND WE PUT
IT IN ITS RIGHTFUL PLACE.
FROM A BUDGET STANDPOINT, THEY PUT IN THE DOLLAR FIGURE OF
WHAT IT WOULD COST TO EMPLOY THE 40 PLUS KIDS PLUS THE STAFF
MEMBER.
SO AT BUDGET TIME, WHEN WE APPROVE THE BUDGET, IT WAS NOT
72.
IT WAS NOT 72.
IT WAS 45, POSSIBLY ABOUT 45 KIDS.
SO THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE TIME TO DO IT.
I DO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT MS. BURTON AND OUR COMMUNITY
MEMBERS ARE SAYING IT SHOULD BE AT 72, BUT THAT WAS THE TIME

TO DO IT.
SO WE DIDN'T DO THAT, NOT THAT I WAS OPPOSED TO IT.
WE MOVED IT INTO ITS RIGHTFUL PLACE BUT AT THE NUMBER 45.
THAT HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE LANDED ON 72 BEING AN EXACT NUMBER WHICH
IS KIND OF INTERESTING, NOT 75, 70, 75, BUT 72.
IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T SUPPORT THAT AND I JUST WANT TO SAY
THAT TO THE ENTIRE EAST TAMPA COMMUNITY.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT THIS FRIDAY, TOMORROW, I WILL BE AT
HANNA CENTER WHERE WE ARE TAKING APPLICATIONS FOR SUMMER
YOUTH EMPLOYMENT.
MS. WYNN MET I BELIEVE WITH THE NAACP THIS WEEK AND HAD A
DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
SO WE CAN ALSO CHECK WITH OUR HUMAN RESOURCES, THE
APPLICATIONS ARE COMING IN.
HAVE WE EVEN GOTTEN TO 72?
ALSO, AN ADVERTISEMENT IN THE FLORIDA SENTINEL INDICATING
THAT WE ARE ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS AND THAT THE SUMMER YOUTH
EMPLOYMENT PROGRAM, WE ARE HIRING.
AND EAST TAMPA HAS A RIGHT TO APPLY.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS TRUE AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO SAY, IS
THAT OUR SUMMER YOUTH EMPLOYMENT PROGRAM IS OPEN TO THE CITY
OF TAMPA, AND THAT IS A FACT.
IT IS OPEN TO ALL CHILDREN IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
ARE WE ENCOURAGING EAST TAMPA YOUTH TO APPLY?

ABSOLUTELY.
AND WE HAVE DESIGNATED UNDER THE EMPLOYMENT PROGRAM AN
OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO DO SO.
BUT THE 72, OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A COUNCIL WAS TO DO THAT
AT THE BUDGET AND THAT DID NOT HAPPEN.
SO IF WE WERE TO MAKE THAT CHANGE, HOW DOES THAT COME ABOUT?
HOW DO WE RATIFY THE BUDGET TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN THIS SUMMER?
THAT IS THE BETTER QUESTION.
WE WOULD HAVE TO DO AN AMENDMENT.
BUT SHOULDN'T WE LOOK AT TO SEE HOW MANY APPLICANTS WE
ACTUALLY HAVE TO SEE IF THAT NEED IS ACTUALLY THERE TO DO
THAT?
BECAUSE THE KIDS HAVE TO APPLY.
YOU HAVE TO JUSTIFY THE 72 BY ACTUALLY HAVING THE APPLICANT
IN PLACE, NOT, OH, WE HAVE 72 AND BEG KIDS TO FILL THE
SLOTS.
THEN THE OTHER THING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO MENTION IS
THAT BECAUSE OF HOW SUMMER YOUTH EMPLOYMENT WORKS IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA, WE HAVE KIDS WHO WORK FOR PARKS AND REC THAT
ACTUALLY ARE FROM EAST TAMPA.
THEY JUST DIDN'T DO IT UNDER THAT PARTICULAR PROGRAM.
THEY WORK IN OUR PARKS.
AND THEY LIVE IN EAST TAMPA.
SO YOU CAN LITERALLY TAKE THE DATA AND JUST ALSO LOOK AT IT
FROM THAT DIRECTION AS WELL, WE ARE SERVING STUDENTS FROM

EAST TAMPA UNDER OUR SUMMER EMPLOYMENT PROGRAM THAT MAY NOT
FALL UNDER THE GUISE OF THE PROGRAM THAT EXISTED UNDER THE
CRA.
THEY WORK FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA AT OUR PARKS AND REC AND
THEY HAPPEN TO BE FROM EAST TAMPA.
WE HAVE A RIGHT TO PULL THOSE NUMBERS TO JUSTIFY THAT IT IS
EAST TAMPA RESIDENTS THAT WE'RE SERVING.
11:37:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PART-TIME, TEMPORARY HELP.
11:37:25AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ALL ARE PART-TIME.
YEAH, THOSE ARE THE 32 HOURS, $15 AN HOUR THAT BENEFIT KIDS
FROM OTHER PARTS OF OUR CITY, BUT ALSO EAST TAMPA STUDENTS
YOUTH BENEFIT FROM THOSE NUMBERS AS WELL.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE ISOLATING, OH, ONLY 45 KIDS FROM EAST
TAMPA GET A JOB.
THEY GET TO APPLY AND WE NEED TO HAVE THAT DATA TO SAY IS
THERE A NEED FOR 72?
POSSIBLY, ABSOLUTELY.
I WORKED DURING THE SUMMER MY FIRST JOB AND ALSO MAYBE EVEN
AFTER FRIDAY, JUST DEPENDING ON WHO SHOWS UP, I MEAN,
TOMORROW, WHO SHOWS UP THAT MAY NEED HELP WITH THE
APPLICATION PROCESS.
I AM FEEDING YOU ALL, BY THE WAY.
WE'LL HAVE EVEN BETTER DATA AND GO BACK TO HUMAN RESOURCES
TO SAY, HEY, HOW MANY STUDENTS HAVE APPLIED SO FAR?
I'M ASKING FOR THAT EVERY WEEK BECAUSE PEOPLE -- I EVEN PUT

IT IN THE PAPER THAT EVEN I'M HIRING.
POLICE DEPARTMENT, COMMUNICATION IS HIRING.
WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES THAT TAKE THEM BEYOND WHAT MS. BURTON
SAID WHEN I FIRST BECAME A COUNCIL MEMBER WHEN SHE SAID
WE'RE TREATING THEM LIKE SLAVES AND THEY ARE CLEANING UP.
THAT WAS CONNECTED TO THE CLEANUP, CONNECTING IT TO THE FACT
THAT IT WAS CRA DOLLARS.
SO YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS THE SLUM AND BLIGHT.
THAT'S WHY THEY ARE CLEANING UP.
NOW THAT WE HAVE A FULL-FLEDGED PROGRAM WHERE THEY GET TO
WORK IN THE OFFICE OF CITY COUNCIL, YOU ALL CAN HAVE ONE,
TOO, IF YOU WANT IT.
COMMUNICATION AND OTHER AREAS WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA IS AN
OPPORTUNITY TO ALSO EXPAND THE PROGRAM SO THEY CAN GET SOME
VIABLE WORK EXPERIENCES IN OTHER AREAS BESIDES CLEANING THE
NEIGHBORHOOD AND BEING A PART OF THE PROGRAM THE WAY IT
EXISTED BEFORE.
I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.
I WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT PUBLICLY.
IT LANDED AT 42, THAT HAPPENED AT THE BUDGET TIME.
11:39:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
11:39:24AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
AND WE WOULD NEED TO AMEND IT.
11:39:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGAIN, I'VE SPOKEN TO MR. MULKEY ABOUT THIS
AS WELL AS MS. WYNN, AND, YES, THERE ARE SOME JOBS THAT ARE
TEMPORARY SUMMER JOBS THAT YOUTH ARE EMPLOYED BUT EVERYONE

CAN APPLY FOR, LIKE LIFEGUARDS, LIKE FOLKS THAT WORK WITH
YOUTH IN SUMMER CAMP PROGRAMS.
SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE YOUTH BUT THEY CAN BE.
I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS.
IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY FROM MY CONVERSATION WAS MS. WYNN
AND MR. MULKEY AND MS. WYNN CAN TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT
THEY WANTED TO START SMALLER BECAUSE IT WAS A BRAND-NEW
PROGRAM AND THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY COULD GET IT TO
WORK BEFORE THEY EXPANDED IT.
IF YOU JUST WANT TO -- I MEAN, THIS WAS MY RECOLLECTION OF
WHAT -- WHY THIS PARTICULAR GROUP WAS GOING TO BE SMALLER
THIS YEAR.
11:40:19AM >>OCEA WYNN:
YES, MA'AM.
OCEA WYNN, ADMINISTRATOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY
AFFAIRS.
TO ADDRESS COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON'S COMMENT ABOUT SLUM AND
BLIGHT, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THAT WE ARE PUTTING THESE KIDS,
THESE YOUTH, THE HIRES, INTO POSITIONS WITHIN CITY
GOVERNMENT.
SO SOME WILL BE IN THE WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT.
SOME WILL BE IN THE FLEET SO THEY CAN HAVE REAL HANDS-ON
EXPERIENCE.
AS WE'RE UNWRAPPING THIS FROM WHAT THEY DID BEFORE, WE NEED
TO MAKE SURE WE'RE WORKING OUT ALL THE KINKS INSTEAD OF
HAVING ALMOST 175, A HUNDRED KIDS AND THEN WE'RE ALL OVER

OURSELVES.
AS I COMMUNICATED, WE WILL LOOK AT HOW WE NEED TO PHASE AND
EXPAND THIS FOR NEXT YEAR TO HAVE IT BROADER BECAUSE IT
WOULD BE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE FOR EVERYONE IF WE HAVE KIDS JUST
SITTING AROUND AND NOT GETTING THE EXPERIENCE THAT WE ARE
HOPING THEY GET.
11:41:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APPRECIATE THAT.
I KNOW THAT BUDGET SEASON IS COMING UP BEFORE THE SUMMER IS
OVER.
DO YOU JUST PLAN TO KIND OF USE THE FIRST COUPLE OF MONTHS
TO SEE HOW IT GOES BEFORE YOU DO A REQUEST FOR THE AMOUNT OF
MONEY?
11:41:50AM >>OCEA WYNN:
THE PROGRAM LASTS FOR EIGHT WEEKS.
IT IS AN EIGHT-WEEK PROGRAM.
IDEALLY, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO DO THE LESSONS LEARNED IN ALL
OF THAT ON THE BACK END, BUT IT IS YOUR PLEASURE TO SEE HOW
WE NEED TO NAVIGATE GOING FORWARD.
GOING NOW AND GOING FORWARD.
11:42:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD HAVE COME BACK TO US
AROUND AS PART OF ONE OF THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS.
MR. ROGERO IS CONVENIENTLY HERE AND TIE WITH YOU TO DO THAT
TO MAKE SURE WE GET, NOW THAT -- AFTER THAT FIRST YEAR OF
EXPERIENCE, LIKE HOW WE CAN EXPAND IT AND HOW WE CAN MAKE
SURE WE FUND IT FOR NEXT YEAR FOLLOWING COUNCILWOMAN

HENDERSON'S POINTS.
I WOULD ASK THAT BE A PART OF ONE OF OUR BUDGET WORKSHOPS IN
AUGUST.
11:42:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN AND THEN I'LL
GO BACK TO VIERA.
11:42:43AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE ONLY POINT I WAS MAKING, DERIVED FROM
MY FELLOW COUNCILPERSON'S CONVERSATIONS, I'M A HUGE FAN AND
SUPPORTER OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION TYPE OF PROGRAMS, I KNOW
PEOPLE MAYBE HAVE A NEGATIVE OPINION OF THAT.
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A LIFELONG SUPPORTER OF THAT.
WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CRAFT AS WE EXPLORE THESE OPTIONS OF
EXPANDING A SUMMER YOUTH WORK PROGRAM, TO BE ABLE TO HELP
PEOPLE WITH THAT LEG UP AND IDENTIFY THE FOLKS THAT REALLY,
TARGET FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT FOR VARIOUS SOCIETAL
REASONS HAVE NOT NECESSARILY HAD THE ABILITY TO SHARE IN
EQUAL ACCESS TO PROGRAMS AND OPPORTUNITIES.
AS WE DEVELOP THIS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT -- IT'S NOT
GOOD ENOUGH IN MY MIND, IN MY VALUES, MY VALUE SET IS TO
THINK THAT THERE IS AN EVEN PLAYING FIELD, SO WHEN YOU OPEN
THESE THINGS UP, BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALITY.
SO I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS SOME TYPE
OF AFFIRMATIVE PROGRAM TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE TARGETED
YOUTH THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TO BENEFIT, TO GIVE THEM THAT
LEG UP AND THAT HAND UP SO THEY CAN HAVE A SUCCESSFUL START
ON LIFE.

THAT IS THE ONLY THING I WOULD LEAVE THAT WITH, MAKE SURE
THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS AFFIRMATIVE AND TARGETS THE
RIGHT PEOPLE.
11:44:24AM >>OCEA WYNN:
REALLY QUICKLY, THE NUMBER 4872, WHATEVER
NUMBERS, THE AMOUNT THAT CAME OVER FROM THE CRA WAS 36.
THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL 12 FROM CITYWIDE THAT THE GENERAL
FUND PAYS FOR.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT.
THEN ALSO TO COMMUNICATE, WE HAVE MORE THAN THIS PROGRAM.
PARKS AND RECREATION OVER THE SUMMER, WE HIRE ABOUT 370, 375
YOUTH.
WE PARTNER WITH CAREER-SOURCE TO HIRE YOUNG ADULTS, TEEN AND
YOUNG ADULTS FROM THE AGES OF 16 TO 24.
THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER PROGRAM WE'RE WORKING WITH HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT TO EMPLOY YOUTH AS WELL.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE MORE -- WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT THIS PROGRAM, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU
UNDERSTOOD THIS IS NOT THE ONLY THING, NOT DISMISSING WHAT
WE'RE DOING AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT JUST WANTED TO
SHARE SOME INSIGHT TO ALL OF THE OTHER PROGRAMS THAT WE
OVERSEE FOR THE SUMMER.
11:45:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:45:32AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MY MOTION THAT I THINK KIND OF CAPTURES WHERE
WE ARE AT ON COUNCIL IS THAT WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT ON MAY

15th THAT REQUESTS THE FOLLOWING, WHICH IS THE CAPACITY OF
THIS PROGRAM TO POTENTIALLY INCREASE MORE UP TO 72.
AGAIN, I KNOW THAT PROBABLY CAN'T HAPPEN THIS YEAR, BUT THAT
AFFIRMATIVE STEPS ARE MADE TO REACH OUT TO SULPHUR SPRINGS
ORGANIZATIONS, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, AND I CAN GIVE
YOU ALL THIS, THE SULPHUR SPRINGS YMCA COMMUNITY STEPPING
STONES TO SEE WHAT ADDITIONAL CAPACITY WE CAN HANDLE FOR
THIS SUMMER THROUGH ANY SULPHUR SPRINGS YOUTH.
I SAY THAT BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SULPHUR SPRINGS RIGHT
NOW.
I DO THINK THAT IS A WORTHY GESTURE, WHERE IF WE CAN FIT IN
ANOTHER 10, 15, WHATEVER IT MAY BE OF KIDS FROM SULPHUR
SPRINGS, KIDS LIVING IN POVERTY, THAT IS A WIN.
THAT'S MY MOTION FOR MAY 15.
AGAIN, SUMMER IS UPON US.
11:46:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ITEM NUMBER 4.
ITEM NUMBER 4 IS A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
11:46:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DIDN'T KNOW IF MR. ROGERO HAD --
MS. KOPESKY SENT US ALL THE PowerPoint THAT MR. ROGERO
GAVE US IN DECEMBER 2024.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT --
11:47:10AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I HAVE ONE COPY, BUT I CAN PUT IT ON THE
ELMO, IF YOU'D LIKE.
11:47:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANTED TO START BY SAYING WE HAD A
PRETTY DECENT IDEA OF HOW TO USE SOME OF THIS MONEY BECAUSE
WE NEED TO PAY OURSELVES BACK FOR HURRICANES.
BUT AFTER THAT, WE'VE GOT A LITTLE ROOM TO MOVE.
11:47:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HOW MUCH ROOM IS THAT?
11:47:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WON'T STEAL MR. ROGERO'S THUNDER, BUT I DO
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT THE HURRICANE
MONEY, IF WE DON'T REPLENISH IT, WE'VE GOT NOTHING, LIKE
NOTHING FOR THIS YEAR.
11:47:43AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
WELL SAID, MA'AM.
IF I COULD HAVE --
11:47:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE NEGATIVE FOR THIS YEAR.
11:47:49AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
EVEN BETTER SAID.
CAN EVERYBODY SEE THAT?
11:48:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE CAN SEE IT, YES.
11:48:03AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
GOT THE CLOSED CAPTIONING IN THERE.
BOTTOM LINE, AGAIN, THIS IS STEMMING FROM OUR DISCUSSION A
COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO IN TERMS OF WHAT WE ANTICIPATED THE
FINANCIAL SITUATION WOULD LOOK LIKE.
IT HAS LANDED.
WE DISTRIBUTED THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS FOR LAST YEAR, VERY,
VERY POSITIVE.

AGAIN, LET ME EMPHASIZE, WE ARE IN A VERY STRONG FINANCIAL
POSITION.
NOW, I DON'T NEED TO TELL ANYBODY WATCHING THIS OR ANYBODY
ON COUNCIL THAT THERE ARE A GROWING NUMBER OF CHALLENGES AND
CONCERNS.
HOWEVER, TO CONTINUE ALONG THE LINES OF TALKING ABOUT
HURRICANES AND STORMS, WE ARE VERY WELL POSITIONED AS A CITY
IN ALL OF OUR FUNDS TO WEATHER A FINANCIAL STORM.
THE X FACTOR REALLY IS HOW BAD WILL THE STORM BE AND HOW
LONG WILL IT LAST?
IF I KNEW THAT, I DON'T THINK I WOULD BE STANDING RIGHT HERE
IN FRONT OF YOU.
BUT WHAT IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO, COUNCIL, AS COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK INTRODUCED IT, WAS ABOUT $25 MILLION, A LITTLE UNDER
$26 MILLION IN FUND BALANCE FROM LAST FISCAL YEAR, FROM
FISCAL YEAR 24, HAVING ACCOUNTED FOR A NUMBER OF NEEDS,
NEEDS WE ARE OBLIGATED TO PAY FROM LAST YEAR'S FUNDING,
YOU'LL RECALL, COMMITTED FUND BALANCE, ASSIGNED FUND
BALANCE, RESTRICTED FUND BALANCE, ET CETERA.
MEETING WHAT I GATHER CONTINUES TO BE THE CONSENSUS OF 23%
UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE.
AGAIN, VERY, VERY ADVANTAGEOUS AND CONTRIBUTES TO OUR
ABILITY TO WEATHER ANY FINANCIAL STORM.
WHAT WE HAVE LEFT IS $25.8 MILLION.
AS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID, THE LAST TWO ITEMS THERE, WE

HIGHLY RECOMMEND REPLENISHING OUR EMERGENCY FUNDING FOR
CIRCUS.
THAT IS THE $7 MILLION FROM MILTON AND $7 MILLION FOR HELENE
AND DEBBY.
PRESUMING WE WANT TO STAY THE COURSE ON THE EMERGENCY
FUNDING, THEN WE REALLY HAVE ABOUT $11 MILLION, MAYBE $12
MILLION IN PLAY TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO.
I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SAY ONE OF THE OPTIONS IS
SIMPLY WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE FINANCIAL
ENVIRONMENT, WHETHER GLOBAL, NATIONAL, STATE, OR LOCAL.
BUT YOU SEE AT THE TOP THERE, WE HAVE PUT SOME PRIORITIES
THAT COUNCIL HAS ADDRESSED OF THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS,
PAVING RESURFACING, STORMWATER, AND FLOODING ASSISTANCE.
WE HAVE ALSO PUT A COUPLE OF CONCERNS, AGAIN, X FACTORS, IF
YOU WILL, WHAT WILL BE THE ADVERSE IMPACT ASSOCIATED WITH
THE STORMS ON OUR PROPERTY TAX REVENUE.
THE SIMPLE ANSWER RIGHT NOW IS WE DON'T KNOW.
WE DON'T KNOW.
ANOTHER SIMPLE ANSWER TO THE NEXT ITEM, SET ASIDE FUNDING
FOR INSURANCE INCREASES.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE INSURANCE INCREASES WILL BE.
WE HAVE ABOUT 10% ANTICIPATED, BUT WITH THE ACTIVITY
ASSOCIATED WITH THE TRADE WAR, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, IT'S
JUST AN EDUCATED GUESS AT THIS POINT.
A NUMBER OF PRIORITIES FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER WHAT TO DO

WITH SOME OF THIS REMAINING FUNDING FROM FISCAL YEAR '24.
I HOPE I DIDN'T GET INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL, COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK.
11:51:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD.
11:51:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
IF WE COULD PUT THAT BACK UP JUST SO WE CAN BE LOOKING AT IT
AS WE'RE DISCUSSING.
I WANT TO JUST BRING BACK TO YOU ALL SOME OF THE THINGS THAT
WE DID TALK ABOUT DURING THIS LAST CONVERSATION.
COUNCILMAN VIERA TALKED ABOUT MORE MONEY FOR FLOODING
ASSISTANCE.
WE TALKED ABOUT STORMWATER MONEY, PAVING AND RESURFACING.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO JUST DO A LITTLE BIT OF SUGGESTING AND
SEE HOW YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT IT.
WE PUT $3.2 MILLION, IF I'M CORRECT, COUNCILMAN VIERA, INTO
FLOODING ASSISTANCE.
I THINK THAT TO TAKE THIS POINT OUT AND ROUND IT, THE .8 OUT
AND ROUND IT VERY NICELY.
PUT 1.8 MORE MILLION INTO THAT, I'M JUST THROWING NUMBERS
OUT HERE AS A PLACE WE COULD START.
AND THEN WE HAVE $10 MILLION LEFT.
AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU ALL BUT I'M CONSTANTLY GETTING
FOLKS CALLING ME ABOUT STORMWATER AND THEY ARE VERY
CONCERNED.
I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE 5 MILLION FOR STORMWATER AND THEN

BETWEEN PAVING AND HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY, LATELY
SIDEWALKS, MAYBE DIVIDING THAT MONEY BETWEEN MORE PAVING AND
MORE SIDEWALKS.
AGAIN, I'M JUST THROWING THAT STUFF OUT THERE BECAUSE I'D
LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, I KNOW WE NEED TO LISTEN TO PUBLIC
COMMENT, BUT I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION OR GET CONSENSUS THAT
WE ARE GOING TO PUT $14 MILLION TOWARDS REPLENISHING OUR
HURRICANE FUNDS SO THAT WE'RE REALLY ONLY LOOKING AT 11.8.
I SEE SOME NODS.
11:53:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU HAVE A SECOND.
I WILL TELL YOU THIS.
95% OF WHAT I HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, IF I'M AT THE GROCERY
STORE, PUMPING GAS, HAVING COFFEE, WHATEVER, GUIDO, WHEN ARE
YOU GOING TO PAVE OUR ROADS?
IT'S BEEN LIKE THAT SINCE I GOT ELECTED.
I'M NOT SAYING THE OTHER THINGS ARE NOT PRIORITIES, BUT AS
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK BROKE IT DOWN, REPLENISHING THE
EMERGENCY FUND, WE HAVE TO DO.
INCREASING THE FLOODING ASSISTANCE THAT WAS LAUNCHED BY
COUNCILMAN VIERA, SO YOU'LL BRING IT UP TO $5 MILLION YOU'RE
SAYING?
11:53:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH.
BECAUSE SO NICE, .8, ADDED TO THE .2 SO NICELY.
HEY.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, AND WE KNOW I'VE HEARD THAT PEOPLE ARE

STILL APPLYING.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MONEY HAS ALREADY BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR.
BUT 5 MILLION IS SO LITTLE.
WE COULD PUT ALL THAT MONEY TOWARD THERE AND IT WOULDN'T BE
ENOUGH.
11:54:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.
REGARDING STORMWATER, PAVING AND RESURFACING, I KNOW THAT
THE CITY IS MAKING IMPROVEMENTS ON STORMWATER STUFF.
I KNOW THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT, IF YOU LOOK AT SOCIAL MEDIA,
WHOEVER IS RUNNING IT IS DOING A GREAT JOB COMPLAINING ABOUT
THE ROADS, REMEMBER, THIS IS A COUNTY ROAD.
THIS IS A STATE ROAD.
SO PEOPLE DON'T GET CONFUSED.
IT'S IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, SO THEY ARE DOING A GOOD JOB WITH
THAT.
I WOULD SUPPORT WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING.
I THINK IT'S FAIR.
AS WE LOOK AT THIS NEXT BUDGET COMING UP, WE NEED TO LOOK AT
INCREASING SIDEWALK AND PAVING AS WELL.
11:54:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HUNDRED PERCENT.
11:54:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THIS IS A GOOD FOUNDATION, BUT I WOULD
SUPPORT YOU.
11:54:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
LET ME TELL YOU WHY I PUT FIVE TOWARD
STORMWATER, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE HEARING AS WE
FACILITATE THE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN PEOPLE WHO NEED THEIR

DITCHES AND THINGS CLEANED, THAT THEY ARE REALLY WORRIED.
THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO SUFFERED THROUGH HELENE AND MILTON AND
THEY ARE VERY SCARED ABOUT WHAT'S COMING FORWARD.
OUR STORMWATER TEAM IS WORKING AS FAST AS THEY CAN BUT SOME
OF THEIR EQUIPMENT IS BROKEN AND IN THE SHOP.
THAT'S WHY I PUT 5 MILLION, TO BUY STUFF SO THEY CAN GET
MORE PEOPLE TO DO WHATEVER THEY NEED.
BUT THAT WAS WHY, AND THEN, AGAIN, BUT I WANTED TO EXPLAIN
WHY I PUT FIVE IN STORMWATER BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THEY NEED
TO BUY SOME EQUIPMENT AND WE NEED TO GIVE THEM THAT
FLEXIBILITY.
WE ARE GETTING HEARTFELT, TEARFUL CALLS.
PEOPLE ARE SO SCARED.
I FEEL IT.
I'M TEARING UP BECAUSE I FEEL IT.
I'M HEARING THE CONVERSATIONS THAT MS. SHARP IS HAVING WITH
PEOPLE TOO.
OUR STORMWATER TEAM IS AWESOME.
I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO SAY HOW AMAZING THEY ARE AT
RETURNING PEOPLE'S E-MAILS, CALLING BACK, FEELING THE NEED.
THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT EVEN GOING TO WORK ON THE WEEKENDS
FOR THIS ONE PARTICULAR CITIZEN WHO IS CALLING IN.
I JUST WANT TO THANK THEM SO MUCH FOR THE AMAZING WORK THEY
ARE DOING AND DOING WHAT WE CAN TO SUPPORT THEM.
11:56:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT YOU

PROPOSED.
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, VIERA, MIRANDA.
11:56:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DID YOU TURN YOUR MIKE OFF?
MINE WENT OFF BY ITSELF.
I WAS THE FIRST ONE TO DO IT.
I NOTICED IT WASN'T ON AGAIN.
11:56:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CLENDENIN, VIERA, MIRANDA, CARLSON.
11:56:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHOEVER IS MONKEYING WITH THE MIKES.
I GET YOUR INTENT.
LET ME VOICE THIS CONCERN.
STORMWATER.
MY GOODNESS.
HOW MANY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ARE WE ALREADY OUT ON
STORMWATER?
WE'RE BONDING.
11:56:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT STORMWATER THE BIG
PROJECTS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO NEED THEIR DITCHES DONE.
THE EQUIPMENT IS BROKEN RIGHT NOW.
11:57:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN'T THAT GET PAID OUT OF THE STORMWATER
ALLOCATION, THE BIG PROJECT, THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS?
11:57:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK IT CAN BUT IS IT GOING TO BE DONE
FAST ENOUGH?
THAT IS THE ISSUE.
11:57:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHY SPEND THIS MONEY --

11:57:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO BOND.
11:57:18AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
IF I MAY, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS ENTIRELY
CORRECT.
THE OTHER ISSUE IS SIMILAR TO THE PIPES PROGRAM, THE
STORMWATER, THAT COMPONENT OF STORMWATER FUNDED VIA DEBT IS
A, WE THINK, WELL PLANNED OUT PROJECT TIME FRAME OVER YEARS.
WHAT WILL YOU SACRIFICE IN THAT PLAN --
11:57:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AREN'T PEOPLE ALREADY TAXED?
WE HAVE A STORMWATER TAX.
11:57:45AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
WE DO.
TWO STORMWATER ASSESSMENTS.
11:57:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALMOST LOOK LIKE TRIPLE TAXATION BASED ON
THAT.
WE'RE ALREADY TAXING PEOPLE FOR STORMWATER, AND NOW WE'RE
TAKING MONEY OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND FOR STORMWATER AS WELL.
WHAT SHOULD BE PAID FOR WITH THE DEBT SERVICE FROM THE TAX
THAT THEY ARE PAYING, WE NEED TO KEEP THAT CORRALLED.
I'M HAVING -- AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I'M HAVING A HARD TIME ON THE FISCAL RESPONSIBLE SIDE OF
THAT.
11:58:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ARE YOU NOT GETTING THE PHONE CALLS WE'RE
GETTING?
11:58:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGREE WITH CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO ON THIS.
THE PHONE CALLS I GET IS PAVING THE SIDEWALKS.
PAVE OUR DAMN ROADS.

THAT IS ALMOST, I WOULD SAY, 80 PERCENT OF THE COMPLAINTS I
GET.
I GUARANTEE YOU, HAVING A TOWN HALL MONDAY NIGHT, THAT WILL
BE A PREDOMINANT CONVERSATION ARE THE ROADS.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER METHOD OF PAVING THE ROADS.
WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIAL TAX TO PAVE THE ROADS AND NOBODY
ELSE OUTSIDE THE CITY -- THE COUNTY IS NOT GOING TO PAVE OUR
ROADS.
HELL, THEY DON'T EVEN PAVE THEIR OWN ROADS.
NOBODY IS COMING TO PAVE OUR ROADS.
WE ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT CAN DO THAT.
LET ME FINISH THIS THOUGHT.
WHY IS IT GOING OFF?
IT'S WEIRD.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS GETTING A
$709 MILLION BLOCK GRANT FOR THE STORM RELIEF, BUT SOME OF
THAT MONEY IS COMING TO US.
IS THAT MONEY -- CAN WE USE THAT MONEY TO REPLENISH THE
EMERGENCY FUNDS?
11:59:28AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
SHORT ANSWER IS NO, BUT LET ME ELABORATE A
LITTLE.
WE'RE COMING IN I THINK MAYBE AT THE NEXT MEETING TO GIVE
COUNCIL A BRIEFING ON THAT PARTICULAR FUNDING SOURCE.
WE'RE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THE COUNTY ON THAT.
IT'S A LITTLE OVER 700 MILLION.

TECHNICALLY IT IS CALLED THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK
GRANT, DASH, DISASTER RECOVERY.
WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM.
WE'RE WORKING WITH THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, PLANT CITY,
TEMPLE TERRACE.
THERE ARE BUMPER RAILS ON WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH THAT FUNDING.
70%, FOR INSTANCE, HAS TO BE IN SERVICE OF LOW AND MIDDLE
INCOME CITIZENS.
THERE'S 30% THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO MEET THAT CRITERIA, BUT YOU
DO HAVE TO ESTABLISH -- BORROW THIS FROM THE IMPACT FEES --
SOME SORT OF RATIONAL NEXUS WITH HOW THIS FUNDING IS GOING
TO PREVENT OR MITIGATE DISASTER DAMAGE IN THE FUTURE,
WHETHER INFRASTRUCTURE, MITIGATION, YOU CAN MAKE A
CONNECTION WITH ECONOMIC REVITALIZATION, FOR INSTANCE.
SO WITHIN THOSE PARTICULAR PARAMETERS, RIGHT NOW, IT'S VERY,
VERY BROAD.
OUR NEXT STEP IN WHAT WE'RE CRAFTING NOW, I SHOULD SAY WHAT
THE COUNTY IS CRAFTING NOW WITH OUR INPUT IS THE ACTION PLAN
FOR THE HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT FEDERAL OFFICE.
SO THAT IS A LONG-WINDED WAY OF SAYING, I DON'T THINK YOU
CAN SIMPLY ADDRESS THE NEEDS THAT ARE BEING TALKED ABOUT
RIGHT NOW.
WHAT WE MAY FIND, HOWEVER, AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, AS
THE ACTION PLAN IS APPROVED BY HUD, THEN WE WILL GET INTO
PARTICULAR PROJECTS.

RIGHT NOW, 50,000-FOOT LEVEL AS WE GET THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT TO APPROVE THE ACTION PLAN.
ONCE WE GET INTO THE PROJECT DETAIL, WE MAY INDEED FIND
WHERE THERE IS A DEFENSIBLE NEXUS TO STORMWATER FUNDING
REPAIR.
BUT TYPICALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO MAKE PEOPLE
WHOLE, FOR INSTANCE, DAMAGES TO THEIR HOME, SOMETHING THAT
IS ACCOMPLISHED VIA PUBLIC ASSISTANCE.
FEMA.
WHETHER IT'S CITY FUNDING OR WHETHER IT'S INDIVIDUAL
RESIDENTS APPLICATION TO FEMA FUNDING.
12:01:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT COVERS THE OTHER ITEM, THE 1.8.
AGAIN, OTHER METHODS OF FUNDING THIS.
BETWEEN THE FEMA ASSISTANCE, IT'S NO LONGER IMMINENT THING.
RIGHT AFTER THE STORM OF JUMPING IN THERE.
EVERYTHING ELSE WAS SO SLOW.
NOW QUITE A DISTANCE AWAY FROM THE STORMS.
THOSE TYPES OF ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS ARE FAIRLY OUT THERE AND
AVAILABLE.
NOW THIS MONEY IS COMING.
AGAIN, THERE ARE OTHER WAYS OF FUNDING THESE PROGRAMS, SO
BETWEEN STORMWATER AND THE OTHER WAYS OF PAYING FOR FLOODING
ASSISTANCE AND KNOWING THIS, IT'S ALMOST THREE-QUARTERS OF A
BILLION DOLLARS HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS GOING TO GET.
I HAVE TO IMAGINE AS STINGY AS THEY ARE AND AS MUCH AS THEY

BLANK ON CITY OF TAMPA, WE'RE STILL GOING TO GET A COUPLE OF
DOLLARS.
I HAVE TO THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE THE OPPORTUNITY.
THERE'S -- NOBODY ELSE IS COMING IN TO SAVE US ON PAVING THE
ROADS.
THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE -- NO PLACE ELSE WE CAN DO THAT.
NO PLACE ELSE.
NOBODY IS GIVING US MONEY TO PAVE OUR ROADS.
AM I MISSING SOMETHING?
ANY OTHER WAY OF PAVING OUR ROADS?
12:02:54PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
NO.
KIND OF CIRCLING BACK TO THE 700 MILLION OFF THE TOP OF MY
HEAD, AGAIN, ONLY IF YOU CAN ESTABLISH SOME SORT OF NEXUS.
AGAIN, ROADWAYS, THE ENGINEERS WILL TELL YOU ROADWAYS ARE
ONE OF THE PRIMARY CONVEYANCES FOR STORMWATER.
IF YOU COULD ESTABLISH SOME SORT OF NEXUS WITH PAVING ROADS
--
12:03:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO HOOK THAT
FISH, I'M DOWN FOR IT.
12:03:20PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
AGAIN, THIS IS IN THE INFANCY.
GREAT DEAL OF FUNDING.
BOTH THE COUNTY AND CITY OF TAMPA AND MAYBE THE OTHER
LOCALITIES, WE HAVE OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS WHO ARE EXPERTS IN
THIS GUIDING US THROUGH THE PROCESS.
BUT WE WILL, AND IT'S NOT JUST REPAVING AND STORM, WE WILL

TRY TO ESTABLISH EVERY NEXUS WE CAN BECAUSE THAT IS A GREAT
DEAL OF FUNDING.
ITS PRIMARY INTENT IS MITIGATION AND PREVENTING OR
MITIGATING ADVERSE IMPACTS IN THE FUTURE FROM EMERGENCIES,
IN PARTICULAR STORMS.
12:03:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WOULD YOU CONSIDER KNOWING WE HAVE THE
MONEY COMING UP THAT WE CAN SPEND FOR STORMWATER STUFF
MITIGATION, TAKING THE FIVE AND PUT IT INTO PAVING AND
LEAVING THE 1.8 IN THE FLOODING ASSISTANCE.
12:04:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
I WOULD ENTERTAIN LIKE REDUCING IT MAYBE TO 3 MILLION.
I DO BELIEVE THEY NEED THE FLEXIBILITY OF MONEY THAT'S NOT
TIED TO THINGS BECAUSE WE NEED SO MANY THINGS.
I'M SURE COUNCILMAN VIERA WILL TALK ABOUT IT, NORTH TAMPA
AND FOREST HILLS IS JUST AS AFRAID AS THE FOLKS IN PORT
TAMPA.
AND ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO HASTEN THE PURCHASING OF THIS
EQUIPMENT THAT WE NEED AND HIRING PEOPLE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT
I'M HEARING IS THAT WE ARE DOWN A FEW PEOPLE THAT THEY DON'T
HAVE THE FUNDING FOR.
I'M HAPPY TO GO DOWN, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD PUT SOMETHING
BECAUSE ALSO IT TELLS THE COMMUNITY WE HEAR YOU AND WE'RE
DOING MORE THAN WE CAN.
SO IF WE WENT DOWN TO THREE AND THEN WENT UP TO SEVEN FOR
BOTH PAVING AND SIDEWALKS, AND I THINK SIDEWALKS, AGAIN,

THROWING A COUPLE MILLION IN FOR SIDEWALKS AT LEAST, NOT
HALF.
IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT, LISA.
LISA WENT AHEAD AND SHE TOOK MY COPY SO WE COULD TAKE A
LOOK.
IF YOU WANT TO MODIFY THAT TO INSTEAD OF FIVE, GO TO THREE.
INSTEAD OF FIVE FOR PAVING, GO TO SEVEN.
AND CONSIDER SOME MONEY FOR SIDEWALKS.
I JUST THINK WE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING FOR SIDEWALKS AGAIN
BECAUSE WE GOT THANK-YOU NOTES FROM THE COMMUNITY FOR THE IN
LIEU FEES.
I THOUGHT WHAT WE COULD DO.
UP AT SIDEWALKS, INSTEAD OF FIVE, IT SHOULD BE SEVEN OR
WHERE IT SAYS --
12:05:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
PAVING AND SIDEWALKS SEVEN AND THEN
THREE MILLION TO STORMWATER.
12:05:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I CONCUR WITH YOU ABOUT SIDEWALKS.
I'M JUST AS PASSIONATE ABOUT THAT AS --
12:05:57PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT'S UP TO YOU ALL WHAT YOU WANT TO PUT INTO
SIDEWALKS.
I THINK AT LEAST A COUPLE MILLION AGAIN LETS PEOPLE KNOW WE
ARE LISTENING AND HEAR THEM.
12:06:09PM >> IS THAT CORRECT?
12:06:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, THANK YOU.
12:06:13PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I APOLOGIZE, AGAIN, I WANT TO TRY TO

PROVIDE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE.
THIS IS A KIND OF SNEAK PEEK OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SHARE
WITH YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE CDBG-DR.
AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE SUBMISSIONS THAT THE CITY HAS
GIVEN THE COUNTY.
THERE'S BY NO MEANS GUARANTEE THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS.
RIGHT AT THE TOP, STORMWATER PUMP STATION RESILIENCY AND
RELIABILITY IMPROVEMENTS, $12 MILLION.
THAT IS A NICE CHUNK OF CHANGE.
AGAIN, IT'S FORWARD LOOKING TO PREVENT FUTURE IMPACTS AS
OPPOSED TO TRYING TO ADDRESS THE DAMAGE THAT HAS ALREADY
OCCURRED FROM THE PREVIOUS STORMS.
AGAIN, WE'LL SEND THIS OUT TO YOU AND SPEAK IN MORE DETAIL.
BUT WHEN WE CAN ESTABLISH THAT NEXUS, WE ABSOLUTELY PUT INTO
OUR SUBMISSION AND WILL CONTINUE TO PURSUE THAT.
HOPEFULLY THAT ADDS SOME CONTEXT TO THE DISCUSSION.
12:07:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST FOR MY COMFORT LEVEL ON GOVERNMENT
SPENDING, THAT $3 MILLION THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR STORMWATER,
IF WE COULD AS BEST WE CAN FOR THE BENEFIT OF -- I THINK WE
ALL KNOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, SPEND THAT $3 MILLION ON
AREAS THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET REIMBURSED IN ANOTHER WAY.
12:07:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK VEHICLES DOES THAT FOR STAFF.
12:07:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, MIRANDA, CARLSON,
AND THEN WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
12:07:48PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.

YES, I THINK THIS $1.8 MILLION AMOUNT IS MARVELOUS.
IT'S SO FUNNY, WHENEVER I TALK TO PEOPLE, MY CONSTITUENTS
ALWAYS GO, YEAH, I'LL PUSH ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, THANK YOU.
I MEAN THAT.
THANK YOU.
I MEAN THIS, WE TALK ABOUT THE LEGACY OF A MAN LIKE POPE
FRANCIS WHO LIVED A LIFE OF COMPASSION.
THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT HERE IN TAMPA THAT NEED A LOT OF
COMPASSION AND ASSISTANCE.
JUST LAST WEEK, I WAS AT A HOME OF SOME FOLKS REALLY, REALLY
GOOD PEOPLE.
THE HUSBAND IS FROM A CUBAN REFUGEE FAMILY.
THE WIFE IS EL SALVADOR IMMIGRANT AND THEY WORK VERY, VERY
HARD.
THEY HAVE THREE CHILDREN.
THEY GOT FLOODED AND THEY ARE STILL LIVING IN THEIR MOLDY,
FLOODED HOME IN NORTH TAMPA.
I'M GOING TO VISIT A GENTLEMAN THIS WEEKEND LIVING IN HIS
TRAILER IN HIS FRONT YARD IN NORTH TAMPA.
AND THEN HAD SOME CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES AND NOW HAS TO
LIVE BACK IN HIS MOLDY HOUSE.
WE'RE ABOUT HALF A YEAR AFTER MILTON AND THESE FOLKS ARE
STILL RIGHT NOW GOING THROUGH HELL.
THE GOOD THING ABOUT THESE DOLLARS IS, AND I ALWAYS GIVE A

SHOUT-OUT TO ABBYE FEELEY FOR THE HARD WORK SHE DID FOR THE
FIRST $3.2 MILLION IS THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE, I
BELIEVE, THOSE STRICT INCOME THRESHOLDS THAT WE HAD FOR THE
INITIAL PROGRAM BECAUSE STATE OF FLORIDA DOLLARS BECAUSE A
LOT OF PEOPLE I'VE HEARD WHO ARE WORKING CLASS AND BLUE
COLLAR FAMILIES HAVE BEEN POTENTIALLY TURNED AWAY FROM THAT,
SO WE CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT LIBERALITY WITH THAT.
I THINK THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
THIS IS, BY THE WAY, THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE I HEAR ABOUT,
AGAIN, I'M DISTRICT 7, NORTH OF NEW TAMPA, AND THE NUMBER
ONE ISSUE THAT I HEAR IS WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO FOR THIS
STORM SEASON.
SO WE HAD THAT MEETING IN NORTH TAMPA WHERE STAFF WAS SO
NICE TO COME AND TALK ABOUT THE IMPROVEMENTS WE'RE DOING
IMMEDIATELY, WHAT WILL WE DO LONG TERM AND, BY THE WAY, WHAT
ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO LOST EVERYTHING, WHO
ARE MIDDLE CLASS, WORKING CLASS, LOWER INCOME PEOPLE AND
DIDN'T HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE BECAUSE THEY LIVED IN ZONE X.
SO THIS GOES A LONG WAY.
AGAIN, CAN WE HIT A HOME RUN WITH THIS?
ABSOLUTELY NOT.
BUT IF WE DON'T AT LEAST TRY TO HIT A SINGLE OR DOUBLE, THEN
DAMN US BECAUSE THESE ARE, AGAIN, REALLY GOOD WORKING
PEOPLE.
I WILL TELL YOU THIS, WHICH IS PEOPLE HAVEN'T SHOWED UP TO

CITY COUNCIL AND FLOODED CITY COUNCIL AND PUBLIC COMMENT
ONLY BECAUSE THEY SEE THE FIRST $3 MILLION, BUT PEOPLE ARE
EXPECTING MORE MONEY TO COME.
I DON'T MEAN THAT, THAT THEY ARE EXPECTING MORE MONEY TO
COME LIKE, OH, GOD, THEY ARE ENTITLED.
NO, THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH HELL.
LOST THEIR HOUSE.
STILL WORKING, PROVIDING FOR THEIR KIDS.
LISTEN, WE PAY TAXES, WHAT IS GOVERNMENT GOING TO DO TO HELP
US?
THAT'S NOT AN UNREASONABLE QUESTION AT ALL, ESPECIALLY FOR A
SOCIETY THAT I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T THINK GOVERNMENT
FIGHTS FOR THEM.
I'M 110% BEHIND THIS.
THIS IS MORE MONEY THAN I WAS PLANNING ON ASKING FOR.
AGAIN, WELL DONE.
MY HAT IS OFF.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:10:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND CARLSON.
12:10:54PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO
AND THE MONEY IS SHORT.
SHORT TO FIX WHAT WE HAVE TO FIX.
LOOK AT POTHOLES, DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A POTHOLE AND CAVE-IN.
POTHOLE DUMP A FEW FEET OF WEIGHT OF ASPHALT ON THE SURFACE,
THEN REALLY FIXED FOR NEXT SIX MONTHS, A YEAR.

A CAVE, IN YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE.
RIGHT NOW A BLOCK OR TWO FROM WHERE I LIVE ON THE EAST SIDE,
2800 BLOCK, FOUR CAVE-INS IN THE SAME ROAD.
ONE YOU CAN SEE ALL THE WAY DOWN.
MacDILL AVENUE ALREADY THREE, BABY ONES BUT GROWING AND
FINALLY THEY PUT ALL THE BOARDS UP SO YOU DON'T HIT THEM.
TELL YOU TO DRIVE AROUND THEM.
IF YOU LOOK FURTHER SOUTH ON MacDILL, YOU HAVE THE SAME
THING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF BAY TO BAY.
IT'S EVERYWHERE.
IT'S LIKE A MEASLES WITHOUT THE -- GETTING THE INJECTION TO
AVOID THE MEASLES.
I'M NOT AGAINST RESURFACING, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT
STORMWATER, PEOPLE CAN LOSE THEIR LIFE IN STORMWATER.
IT TAKES SOMEONE TO LOSE THEIR LIFE IN A SIDEWALK.
IT HAPPENS, BUT DURING A HURRICANE, YOU HAVE MORE OF AN
OPPORTUNITY TO LOSE YOUR LIFE IN STORMWATER ON A QUICK RUSH
OF WATER THAN YOU DO WALKING ON A SIDEWALK BECAUSE YOU DON'T
WALK ON THE SIDEWALK IN THE RAIN, WHEN THERE IS A HURRICANE
COMING.
I'M NOT AGAINST SIDEWALKS.
LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN.
BUT WHEN I SEE THE NEED FOR THE TWO TOP ONES, FLOODING
ASSISTANCE, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
PAVING AND RESURFACING, I DEARLY UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE THE

ROADS ARE IN TERRIBLE SHAPE AND LIKE ALL THE OTHER COUNCIL
MEMBERS WHO HAVE SPOKEN, THAT IS THE NUMBER ONE CALL I GET.
BUT THE DEVIL THAT HASN'T SHOWN UP IS THAT THREE, YESTERDAY,
I WAS WATCHING EITHER CHANNEL 8 OR CHANNEL 13 AND THEY SAID
3.8 DEGREES WARMER THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR AT THIS TIME THE
BAY.
IF I RECALL WHAT I SAW.
IF THIS HAPPENS AND IT COMES THIS WAY, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE
ANY BETTER THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.
MORE THAN LIKELY IT WOULD BE WORSE, IF IT COMES THIS WAY.
NOW WE HAVE A DIFFERENCE TO MAKE.
WHAT DO WE DO?
DO WE DO ALL THE PAVING WITH 7 MILLION?
NO.
IT DOESN'T SOLVE IT.
IT HELPS SOMEWHERE, BUT IT DOESN'T SOLVE IT.
BUT THE STORMWATER IN DIFFERENT AREAS, NOT ONLY IN SOUTH
TAMPA, BUT ALL UP AND DOWN SOUTH KENNEDY BOULEVARD, IT'S
FLOODED.
ALL UP AND DOWN PARKLAND BOULEVARD, PARKLAND AREA WHERE IT
FLOODED.
SOME PLACES WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE FLOODED, IT FLOODED.
NOW DIFFERENT PUMPS, HIGHER GRADE, INSTEAD OF UNDERGROUND,
ABOVEGROUND, UNDER THE STORMWATER PRESSURE STOP WORKING AND
THEN THE RESERVE PUMP DIDN'T WORK, THAT'S WHAT I HEAR, SO WE

OUGHT TO LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO FOR THAT TO MAKE SURE ALL
THE PUMPS ARE WORKING SO THAT WE CAN AT LEAST ALLEVIATE SOME
OF THE FLOODING WATERS AND PREVENT FLOODING.
NOT GOING TO STOP IT ALL, BUT MAYBE WE CAN PREVENT THE
FLOODING OF HOMES INSIDE.
ME, I LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE GOING TO STORMWATER.
I KNOW THE VEHICLES ARE NEEDED, BUT IN STORMWATER, THE PUMPS
HUNDRED PERCENT -- I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE BEEN INSTALLED
YET.
NOT SURE.
MAYBE THEY HAVE.
I'M NOT AWARE OF IT.
STORMWATER NEEDS A LITTLE MORE ACTION THAN I FEEL.
MAYBE WE CAN GRAB A MILLION FROM SIDEWALKS AND PUT IN
STORMWATER TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT
FLOODED ARE NOT GOING TO FLOOD AGAIN.
IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO FLOOD A NEIGHBORHOOD.
JUST ONE OR TWO LITTLE THINGS THAT DOESN'T WORK AND YOU'RE
IN TROUBLE.
SO THESE ARE THE THINGS I HAVE, SIDEWALK, YOU'LL GET MONEY
FROM WHATEVER IT IS.
WHEN YOU BUILD A HOUSE OR DON'T BUILD A HOUSE, YOU HAVE TO
PAY.
THAT'S GOING TO HELP.
I KNOW YOU HAVE A STORMWATER ASSESSMENT FEE AND OTHER FEES

THERE, IT'S NOT WORKING TO THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY TO BE SPENT.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT MONEY TO SPEND EVEN ONCE WE COLLECT IT.
THE AREA IS CHANGING.
THE ENVIRONMENT HAS BEEN FORGOTTEN FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS IN
SOME WAY OR ANOTHER, NOT BY US BUT ALL OF US IN THE UNITED
STATES.
NOW WE'RE PAYING THE PRICE FOR IT.
THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I KNOW PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE IN THE
ENVIRONMENT.
I KNOW ALL THAT.
THAT'S WONDERFUL.
GOD BLESS THEM.
ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS, THIS IS REALITY.
THIS IS NOT THE GONG SHOW.
IT IS WHAT IT IS.
THIS IS A REAL THING AND WE HAVE TO PUT MORE MONEY INTO
STORMWATER TO AVOID THE PROBLEM WE HAD BEFORE.
12:15:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND THEN PUBLIC
COMMENT.
12:15:38PM >>BILL CARLSON:
FIRST I WANT TO THANK COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK
AND ALSO THE VFO FOR THE TRANSPARENCY ON THIS.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THIS IS THE LONGEST DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD ON
THIS ISSUE.
IT'S GOOD THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS.
IF YOU NOTICE THE TWO THINGS IN THE MIDDLE SET ASIDE FOR

PROPERTY TAX REVENUE REDUCTIONS, SET-ASIDES -- OH, IT'S NOT
UP.
SET ASIDE FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR INSURANCE INCREASES.
ALSO, WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE THE TARIFFS AND EVERYTHING WHAT
THE COSTS ARE GOING TO BE IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.
I THINK THE BEST COURSE IS TO HOLD OFF ON THIS FOR 90 DAYS
AND SEE WHAT -- WHETHER THIS NUMBER IS REAL OR NOT.
WE STILL HAVE A FEW MORE MONTHS UNTIL THE END OF THE FISCAL
YEAR.
SO MANY THINGS CAN CHANGE.
WE'RE IN A VOLATILE MARKET OUT THERE.
SO MANY THINGS CAN CHANGE THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S
GOING TO END UP.
ALSO, ANOTHER THING NOT ON THERE, I'VE HEARD QUESTIONS ABOUT
WHETHER WE SHOULD SHORE UP THE PENSION RESERVES.
I'LL HAVE SIDE CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU ALL ABOUT THAT.
WE ALSO KNOW THAT POLICE ARE UNDERFUNDED AND FIRE ARE
UNDERFUNDED.
WE NEED TO FIRST FIND OUT, THOUGH, IS THIS NUMBER REAL?
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IS REAL.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WON'T BE A CONSENSUS AROUND SAVING THE
MONEY RIGHT NOW.
I THINK THE PRUDENT THING TO DO WOULD BE TO SAVE IT.
THE OTHER ISSUE IS THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS ADDED MORE
DEBT THAN ANY ADMINISTRATION IN HISTORY.

BY THE TIME THEY ARE DONE WITH WHAT THEY ARE ADDING RIGHT
NOW IN TWO YEARS, PROBABLY THE DEBT WILL BE UP AROUND 2.2,
2.3 BILLION.
RIGHT NOW THE REVENUES ARE 1.9 BILLION.
SO TO SOME EXTENT, AND THE INTEREST ON THAT RIGHT NOW IS 900
MILLION OVER 30 YEARS, NOT ALL CREATED BY THIS
ADMINISTRATION.
A WAY OF LOOKING AT IT, IF YOU HAVE FREE CASH FLOW RIGHT
NOW, WE WON'T HAVE AS MUCH IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE PAYING
INTEREST, IN EFFECT PAYING DOUBLE FOR A LOT OF THINGS.
THE REASON WE HAVE ANY CASH AT ALL, WE'RE PUTTING SO MUCH
DEBT ON THINGS.
AND WE SHOULD DO PAY-GO WHEN WE CAN, BUT IF WE HAVE ANY
MONEY, IT SHOULD PROBABLY GO TO SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALREADY
ALLOCATED.
BECAUSE IF IT'S A HUNDRED MILLION AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO
PAY A HUNDRED MILLION IN INTEREST, WE SHOULD SAVE INTEREST
ON THINGS WE ALREADY SPENT MONEY ON.
JUST LIKE YOU WOULD DO IN YOUR HOUSE.
THE FIRST THING YOU DO IS PAY DOWN THE CREDIT CARD.
YOU DON'T SAY, WELL, I MAXED OUT THREE CREDIT CARDS, SO NOW
I'M GOING TO GO SPEND MY BONUS ON SOMETHING ELSE.
YOU PAY DOWN YOUR CREDIT CARDS INSTEAD.
IN TERMS OF THE 14 MILLION, THE 7 AND 7, I HUNDRED PERCENT
AGREE WITH THAT.

IF NO CONSENSUS TO SAVE THE REST OF THE MONEY FOR A TIME, I
WILL GO ALONG WITH SOME VERSION OF WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED.
I AM CONCERNED.
IN TERMS OF STORMWATER, WE HAVE THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT,
THAT'S $65 MILLION FROM A SPECIALIZED TAX THAT'S BEING HELD
UP.
WE KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE.
10 OF THE 11 HOUSES THAT FLOODED IN PARKLAND ESTATES HAVE
ALREADY RENOVATED.
ALL OF THOSE HOUSES ARE GOING TO GET FLOODED AGAIN THIS
SUMMER.
STORMWATER TESTIFIED THEY ARE GOING TO FLOOD EVERY TIME
THERE IS A MAJOR RAIN OR STORM OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.
WHY ARE WE GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO BE FLOODED AGAIN THIS
SUMMER WHEN WE'RE WAITING ON A PROJECT THAT'S ONLY GOING TO
PROTECT THEM FOUR YEARS FROM NOW AND ONLY ON A SMALL LEVEL
AND IT'S NOT GOING TO PROTECT THEM IN A HEAVY STORM.
WE CAN REDIRECT THE 65 MILLION, WHICH IS 130 MILLION BECAUSE
WE'RE ADDING INTEREST, WE CAN REDIRECT THE MONEY NOW AND
SPEND 65 MILLION IN MAINTENANCE.
EVEN PALMA CEIA PINES, WHICH IS NORTH OF PARKLAND, THE CITY
HAS DONE SOME THINGS TURNING THE ROADS AND OTHERS.
I'VE BEEN UP THERE, LISTENING TO CALLS OF PEOPLE DESPERATE
BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO GET FLOODED.
REGULAR MAINTENANCE HAS NOT BEEN DONE.

WE'VE GOT 65 MILLION RIGHT THERE THAT WOULD TRANSFORM THE
ENVIRONMENT FOR THE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT GOT FLOODED IN
OUR COMMUNITY.
IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT STORMWATER IN HERE, I WISH WE WOULD
ADD THE WORD MAINTENANCE.
IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO BUILD ANY BIG INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS.
IT IS THE SAME THING, I DISAGREE ON THE SOUTH HOWARD
PROJECT.
HUGE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT WE KNOW ISN'T GOING TO WORK.
WHY ARE WE ALLOCATING ALL THE MONEY?
THERE ARE CULVERTS BROKEN AND FLOODED.
CULVERTS WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS BLOCKED.
ROADS THAT NEED TO BE GRADED SO THE OUTLETS -- AND PEOPLE
ARE DESPERATELY CALLING US SAYING WE JUST NEED BASIC
MAINTENANCE.
WE NEED THE DITCHES DREDGED.
WE NEED THE RETENTION PONDS DREDGED.
WHY IS THAT NOT BEING DONE?
EVEN PALMA CEIA PINES WITH ALL THE MONEY ALLOCATED.
WE NEED BASIC MAINTENANCE.
IT'S WORTH 3 MILLION TO DO THAT.
LASTLY, NUMBER ONE CALL I GET, SAME CALLS PEOPLE GET,
FEARFUL, BEING VERY PATIENT AND STORMWATER PEOPLE ARE BEING
VERY GOOD.
I'VE BEEN OUT TO A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS WITH STORMWATER AND

THEY ARE VERY GOOD ABOUT WORKING WITH THEM.
DON'T FORGET WASTEWATER.
MANY NEIGHBORHOODS WERE FLOODED WITH WASTEWATER.
THE NUMBER ONE CALL I GET EVERY DAY, OVERWHELMINGLY E-MAILS
AND CALLS IS ABOUT ROADS.
AND SOME EXTENT SIDEWALKS.
IF WE DON'T FIX THE ROADS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN AVALANCHE
OF PEOPLE COMING IN AND CRITICIZING US.
IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND MONEY ON SOMETHING, WE HAVE TO
ABSOLUTELY FIX THE ROADS.
12:20:41PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.
12:20:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
12:20:43PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
I DO THINK SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON
SURFACED IS WORTH REITERATING.
AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD EITHER,
BUT THESE ARE VERY, VERY UNCERTAIN TIMES.
YOU HAVE VOLATILITY IN THE STOCK MARKET.
YOU HAVE VOLATILITY IN THE BOND MARKET.
VOLATILITY WITH U.S. TREASURIES.
INFLATION LOOKED LIKE IT HAD BEEN COOLING, BUT THE LATEST
INFLATION FIGURES DON'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT REALLY THE RAMPING
UP OF THE TRADE WAR AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MONTH.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.

I DO THINK IT IS WORTH -- I'M NOT TRYING TO DISSUADE COUNCIL
FROM DOING ANYTHING.
WE ARE IN A VERY, VERY VOLATILE AND UNCERTAIN ENVIRONMENT
RIGHT NOW.
THANK YOU.
12:21:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
12:21:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU KNOW, BAIT AND SWITCH.
MAKE IT WORSE, THEN SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
IT DOESN'T WORK FOR ANYBODY.
I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK OUT.
ANYWAY, I'M NOT UP THERE AND DON'T WANT TO BE UP THERE.
I RECALL MY MIND TELLING ME, I BELIEVE YOU, SIR, HEAD OF THE
FINANCE DEPARTMENT OF THE CITY, SAID THAT WE'RE ONE OF THE
BEST POSTURED CITIES IN THE COUNTRY, THAT WE'RE ONLY AT 23%
OF OUR BORROWING CAPACITY.
AM I RIGHT OR WRONG?
12:22:03PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I DON'T REMEMBER THE PARTICULAR PERCENTAGE.
WE ARE.
WE ARE BREATHING VERY, VERY RARE AIR COMPARED TO OTHER
LOCALITIES.
12:22:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO MATTER WHAT ANYBODY SAYS ABOUT THIS
ADMINISTRATION OR PRIOR ADMINISTRATION, NEVER GONE OVER THE
23%, I DON'T BELIEVE.
12:22:17PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I DON'T KNOW IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

12:22:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MY MIND TELLS ME THAT AND I NEVER
QUESTION MY MIND.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:22:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WAS KIND OF INTRIGUED WITH SOMETHING
COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID.
I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WOULD AGREE WITH THIS OR
NOT.
IT MAY BE PRUDENT TO HOLD THIS, MAYBE SOME OF IT NOW AND
THEN HOLD BACK MORE.
MOVE FORWARD ON STORMWATER, LITTLE BIT OF SIDEWALK, LITTLE
BIT OF PAVING, IN SMALLER INCREMENTS AND THEN HOLD BACK ON
THE DECISION MAKING UNTIL SOME OF THIS OTHER STUFF THAT'S
HAPPENING PERCOLATES THROUGH.
AND THEN THESE UNKNOWN ITEMS THAT WE DON'T KNOW, IF WE HAVE
MORE INFORMATION.
I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE.
IT INTRIGUED ME WHAT HE SAID.
12:23:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T DISAGREE.
THESE ARE THE THINGS WE KEEP HEARING ABOUT OVER AND OVER
AGAIN.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT.
IF WE NEED TO PULL SOME BACK, BUT THE SET-ASIDES, THE
QUESTION MARKS IN DECEMBER ARE THE SAME QUESTION MARKS WE
HAVE NOW.
ACTUALLY, IF T & I COULD PUT UP THE SHOT, THE ELMO OR

WHATEVER IT IS CALLED NOW.
12:23:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT IF WE HELD BACK ON THE REPLENISHING
FUNDS?
DON'T SPEND THEM.
12:23:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
T & I, CAN YOU PLEASE PUT UP THE ELMO SCREEN?
THIS IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
I DISAGREE BECAUSE I THINK THE PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR THIS.
THEY ARE ASKING FOR US TO DO SOMETHING.
ALL THE CALLS I GET.
IF WE DON'T PUT THE PAVING MONEY IN NOW, WHEN ARE WE GOING
TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT?
12:24:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHY DON'T WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE TOP
THREE ITEMS.
WE DON'T TAKE ACTION ON THE REPLENISH, WE DON'T SPEND IT.
JUST LEAVE IT THERE.
ONCE WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION, WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION
IN A COUPLE OR FEW MONTHS.
12:24:16PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
ONE THING I CAN ALSO OFFER AS COUNCIL KNOWS
WE WILL BE COMING IN WITH MIDYEAR REVIEW NEXT MONTH WHERE WE
WILL DIVE MUCH, MUCH DEEPER INTO NOT ONLY ASPECTS OF THE
WIDER ECONOMY THAT ARE AFFECTING US, BUT ALSO WHAT'S
HAPPENING IN THE LOCAL ECONOMY AND ALSO HOW WE'RE DOING IN
THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, IF THAT GIVES YOU SOME COMFORT.
12:24:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AGREE, BUT THE THING IS WE HAVE FIVE WEEKS.
WE HAVE FIVE WEEKS UNTIL HURRICANE SEASON STARTS.

SO THIS IS THE KIND OF STUFF.
SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC TO SEE WHAT
THEY HAVE TO SAY BEFORE WE CONTINUE ANY MORE DISCUSSION.
12:24:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SPEND THE MONEY ON PAVING, SIDEWALKS,
STORMWATER, FLOODING ASSISTANCE.
HOLD OFF ON THE DECISION POINT ON REPLENISHING THE FUNDS.
WON'T ALLOCATE IT, AT LEAST DON'T PUT IT IN AND PULL IT BACK
OUT.
12:25:12PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE THING IS WE ALREADY SPENT THAT MONEY.
IF WE DON'T REPLENISH IT, THEY HAVE TO FIND $14 MILLION FOR
FY '26 TO FILL IT.
12:25:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL HAVE TO DO THAT THEN.
HOLD OFF ON THE DECISION POINT.
12:25:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LET'S WAIT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
12:25:29PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WAS GOING TO SAY, I'M FINE WITH MOVING
FORWARD ON THIS RELATIVELY SOON, BUT WE SPEAK ABOUT, THERE
IS GREAT TURBULENCE IN THE MARKET AND SO FORTH, BUT FOR THE
PEOPLE HELPED BY THE 1.8 MILLION, THERE IS A HELL OF A LOT
OF TURBULENCE IN THEIR LIVES AND I THINK WE HAVE TO GET THE
FUNDS OUT JUST AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
SO I DO THINK WE SHOULD MOVE WITH THAT WITH VIGOR.
BUT THIS TO ME IS JUST A REALLY GOOD BALANCED BREAKDOWN OF
OUR NEEDS.
I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, BUT I DO THINK WE SHOULD GET MOVING,
ESPECIALLY ON THE FLOODING ASSISTANCE RELATIVELY SOON.

WE DO HAVE A REPORT COMING BACK FROM THE CITY ON THE FUNDS
AND HOW THEY HAVE BEEN SPENT.
AGAIN, EVERY WEEK THAT WE DELAY, AND WE DON'T NECESSARILY
HAVE TO DO IT TODAY, BUT THE SOONER THE BETTER.
THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.
12:26:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO WE HAVE AN ASSESSMENT?
I KEEP BALANCING THE DAMAGE AND DEVASTATION THAT HAPPENED IN
SPECIFICALLY PALMETTO AND DAVIS ISLANDS AND SOUTH TAMPA.
HOW MANY HOMES -- FROM THE CITY, DO WE HAVE A DAMAGE
ASSESSMENT OF HOW MANY HOMES THAT WERE DESTROYED,
UNINHABITABLE THAT WERE NOT COVERED BY INSURANCE AND THE
LOCATION OF WHERE THEY ALL ARE?
LIKE IN FOREST HILLS, HOW MANY HOUSES ARE UNINHABITABLE?
12:26:49PM >>LUIS VIERA:
TONS.
I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER.
NORTH TAMPA, UNIVERSITY AREA, INCLUDE FOREST HILLS, OVERLOOK
COMMUNITY, IF I HAD TO ESTIMATE, PROBABLY 95% OF THE PEOPLE
THAT WERE THERE DON'T HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE.
12:27:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MAYBE IN NEW BUSINESS I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
WHEN WE MAKE THE DECISIONS ON SPENDING MONEY, THAT WOULD BE
HELPFUL.
HOW MANY HOMES, HOW MANY FAMILIES ARE VICTIMIZED BY THIS, I
WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE SPENDING THE MONEY KNOWING THE
NUMBER.
12:27:18PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT.

TIMBERFALLS OFF 113th, A LOT OF THOSE FOLKS JUST LEFT.
AND THEY LEFT TAKING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF LOSSES
AND THEY WERE ALREADY LIVING IN POVERTY. THAT NUMBER MAY BE
HARD TO QUANTIFY.
I DO KNOW THIS WILL BE, RELATIVELY SPEAKING, A DROP IN THE
BUCKET.
BY THE WAY, IT SHOULD BE SAID, BIG PAT ON THE BACK FOR THE
CITY OF TAMPA, WHICH I THINK WE'RE THE ONLY LOCAL CITY OR
LOCAL GOVERNMENT COMMUNITY REALLY DOING SOMETHING ON THIS.
THE COUNTY IS GOING TO BE RELYING ON FEDERAL FUNDS THAT GOD
WILLING WILL COME THROUGH.
WE CREATED THIS PROGRAM.
12:27:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NOT TO JUMP ON COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S
DISTRICT, BUT THERE WAS SO MUCH DEVASTATION.
I THINK PEOPLE THINK EVERYBODY IN SOUTH TAMPA IS RICH AND
THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF
RETIRED PEOPLE THAT HAD THEIR HOUSES FOREVER.
A LOT OF MINORITY POPULATION IN CERTAIN AREAS.
IT WAS AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY DESTROYER.
12:28:25PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANTED TO RESPOND, STORMWATER HAS A GIS
MAP HOUSE BY HOUSE, THEY HAVE THEM COLOR CODED AS TO WHETHER
THEY HAD INSURANCE, WHAT KIND OF FLOODING THEY GOT.
YOU CAN GO NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD, HOUSE BY HOUSE.
IT'S PRETTY DEVASTATING WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WHOLE THING.

LASTLY, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT MONEY, WE HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT
OF MONEY AND WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH IT.
THE BIGGEST BANG ON STORMS IS TO PREVENT FLOODING FOR WHOLE
NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO IF WE CAN PUT MONEY IN THAT WILL AT LEAST PROVIDE
MAINTENANCE, WE SAVE MAYBE HUNDREDS OF HOMES AT A TIME AND
SO WE HAVE TO REALLY LOOK AT THAT.
THE OTHER THING, THOUGH, IS THAT IF -- BECAUSE OF VOLATILITY
IN THE MARKET, IF THAT 26 MILLION PLUS 26 MILLION SUDDENLY
IN THREE, FOUR MONTHS TURNS INTO MINUS 26 MILLION, WE EITHER
HAVE TO CUT SOMETHING OR RAISE TAXES OR FEES OR TAKE ON MORE
DEBT.
SO THAT ULTIMATELY IS A HUGE BURDEN ON THE MARKET AND WE
KNOW THAT THE PUBLIC DOESN'T WANT MORE TAXES.
THANK YOU.
12:29:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
NOW WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE SPEAKERS I HAVE ARE STEPHANIE POYNOR FOLLOWED BY TARA
AND THEN AMY.
THOSE ARE THE THREE PUBLIC COMMENT SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM.
I SEE AMY SCOTT AND TARA BLOOMA.
I DIDN'T WANT TO BUTCHER THE NAMES, SO I JUST SAID TARA IN
CASE I SAID IT WRONG.
YES, MA'AM.
12:30:07PM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.

I DO DRAG A BUNCH OF CRAP AROUND AND SOMETIMES IT'S WORTH
DRAGGING OUT.
I SHOW WITH THESE EIGHT PAGES THAT WE HAVE FOR STORMWATER
ASSESSMENT, 73 MILLION COMING IN AND 63 MILLION COMING OUT.
YOU ALL KNOW THAT MY COMMUNITY WAS AS IMPACTED AS ANY OTHER
COMMUNITY OR MORE THAN ANYPLACE ELSE IN THE CITY.
I ACTUALLY ASKED ABBYE FEELEY FOR A REPRESENTATION OF WHERE
THE FLOODING WAS AND WHICH HOUSES WERE SUPPOSEDLY 50% OR
MORE DAMAGED IN THE CITY.
I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT YET, BUT SHE DID RESPOND AND SAY SHE'S
WORKING ON IT.
ANNELISE MYERS ASKED NANCY SPECIFICALLY FOR THE DETAILS OF
STORMWATER FUNDING.
IT WAS ABOUT 16 MILLION LAST YEAR FOR REGULAR STORMWATER AND
THEN STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT WAS ANOTHER 16 MILLION.
THAT'S 32.
AS OF JANUARY 1st, IT WAS 26 MILLION FOR THIS YEAR.
I'M SORRY, BUT THAT IS A LOT OF STINKING MONEY.
I THINK WE NEED TO PULL OUR STORMWATER PEOPLE OFF OF PARADE
DUTY WHERE THEY LOSE FOUR DAYS OF WORKING TIME, EVERY TIME
WE HAVE A PARADE, CHAIR MANISCALCO POINTED OUT THAT HE
COUNTED SIX OFF THE TOP OF HIS HEAD.
THAT'S 24 DAYS IN A YEAR THAT THEY ARE NOT WORKING ON
STORMWATER, THAT THEY ARE SETTING UP AND BREAKING DOWN FOR
PARADES.

ON TOP OF THAT, YOU HAVE THE GASPARILLA RUNS, ALL THOSE,
THEY ARE PULLED OFF OF STORMWATER TO DO THOSE THINGS.
IT'S THE WRONG DEPARTMENT TO DO THAT.
I 100% AGREE THAT NUMBER ONE NEEDS TO BE PAVING.
NUMBER TWO NEEDS TO BE SIDEWALKS.
I THINK WE DO NEED TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THOSE FOLKS WHO
WERE DAMAGED.
I'D LIKE TO SEE WHERE THE MONIES WENT SO FAR, WHAT PART OF
TOWN THEY HAVE ALL BEEN TO.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE MY FOLKS IN PORT TAMPA WHO LOST
EVERYTHING ARE GETTING SOME OF THAT AS WELL.
I HAVE A HARD TIME WHEN WE'VE GOT ALL OF THESE DEPARTMENTS,
FOR PAVING WE HAVE LIKE ONE.
PAVING WE HAVE LIKE ONE.
AND THERE ARE LOTS OF PLACES IN THE CITY, AND THIS IS WHERE
I GET INTO, I'M NOT JUST TALKING FOR MY NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE
ARE LOTS OF PLACES IN THE CITY WHO DID NOT FLOOD.
THEY PAY INTO THE STORMWATER FUND.
THOSE FOLKS DESERVE TO HAVE GOOD ROADS TO DRIVE ON TOO.
AND WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT THIS REALLY MATTERS.
SOMEBODY WROTE AN ARTICLE ABOUT CRAs THREE OR FOUR MONTHS
AGO AND SOMEBODY ASKED ME, WHY DID THIS PERSON COMPARE
CRAs TO ROAD PAVING BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY GIVES A CRAP
ABOUT EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT THEY ALL CARE ABOUT THEIR ROADS.
AND THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT RIGHT.

AND WE CARE ABOUT SIDEWALKS, AS THEY OBVIOUSLY DO.
WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SIDEWALKS AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO FIX
ALL OF IT AT ONE TIME.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THE EXTRA MONEY WE HAVE AND
FIX THE THINGS THAT EVERY CITIZEN, EVERY TIME I GO TO A
NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, I HAVE NEVER BEEN TO A NEIGHBORHOOD
MEETING THAT SOMEBODY IS NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT PAVING, NOT
ONE TIME EVER IN ANY PART OF THE CITY.
12:33:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NEXT SPEAKER IS TARA BLOOMA AND AMY
SCOTT IS THE LAST SPEAKER.
12:33:18PM >> HI.
I'M TARA BLOOMA.
I AGREE WITH A LOT OF YOU ON THE NEED FOR PAVING AND FOR
SIDEWALK REPAIR.
I LIKE THE COMPROMISE THAT COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN AND HURTAK
JUST CAME UP WITH.
BUT I REALLY WAS FRUSTRATED WITH THE EXPANSION OF THE
RIVERWALK AND AT THE TIME THINKING WHY ARE WE SPENDING MONEY
THAT WE DON'T HAVE ON THIS BONDING FOR A WANT, NOT A NEED,
WHEN WE HAVE ALL THESE NEEDS.
THERE WERE A LOT OF EXCUSES, A LOT OF, OH, WE'LL GET
MATCHING FUNDS, GET THIS AND MAYBE OTHER MONEY.
AT THE END OF THE DAY IT WAS A WANT.
WANTS ARE SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD SPEND THIS EXTRA MONEY
THAT WE FOUND IN OUR COAT POCKET ON.

AND HAVE TAKEN CARE OF THE NEEDS LAST YEAR AND AT THE
BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR.
I HATE THAT NOW, YEAH, WE HAVE THIS EXTRA 28 MILLION, BUT WE
BONDED FOR SOMETHING ELSE WHEN WE COULD HAVE SPENT THIS
EXTRA MONEY ON OUR WANTS.
WE HAVE A PORT TAMPA NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ON TUESDAY
EVENING.
OUR NEIGHBORS ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT STORMWATER
SPECIFICALLY.
YES, THERE WERE PEOPLE THERE WHO DID LOSE EVERYTHING AND
WANT HELP RECUPERATING SOME OF THEIR FUNDS THAT THEY HAVE
SPENT ON THEIR HOUSES BUT MAINTENANCE WAS THE BIGGEST
CONCERN.
I LOOKED ON THE MAP AND APRIL IS THE MONTH WE ARE SUPPOSED
TO BE GETTING OUR MAINTENANCE DONE.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYBODY IN STORMWATER IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, SO
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE BEHIND, PROBABLY, BUT WE HAVEN'T
GOTTEN AN UPDATE TO THE MAP OR WHEN THEY WILL BE OUT THERE.
OUR DITCHES ARE OBSTRUCTED AND FULL OF WEEDS AND TRASH.
WE WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE MORE MONEY SPENT ON MAINTENANCE AND
DRIVING IN SOUTH TAMPA IS A HEALTH HAZARD BECAUSE OF THE
ROADS.
WE WOULD APPRECIATE MONEY -- IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND MONEY,
THOSE ARE THE PRIORITIES I THINK YOU ARE IN LINE.
I'D RATHER YOU THINK MORE CAREFULLY BEFORE YOU APPROVE MONEY

WE DON'T HAVE ON WASTEFUL WANT PROJECTS.
THAT'S ALL.
THANK YOU.
12:35:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AMY SCOTT, YOU ARE THE LAST SPEAKER FOR THIS ITEM.
YES, MA'AM.
COME ON UP AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:35:47PM >> AMY SCOTT.
FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU GUYS FOR WHAT YOU DO.
THIS IS VERY INTERESTING.
I DO NOT ENVY YOUR JOBS BECAUSE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE
TO SPEND EVERYTHING WOULD DRIVE ME CRAZY.
I WILL SAY PART OF BEING IN SOUTH SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND ALSO
SOMEONE WHO DRIVES HERE IN TAMPA, EVEN THOUGH I AM TAKING
THE ONE NOW A LITTLE BIT MORE OFTEN, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, I
WILL SAY THE STORMWATER IS DEFINITELY A MAJOR PRIORITY FOR
OUR COMMUNITY.
THE ROADS ARE TERRIBLE.
THE ROADS HAVE BEEN TERRIBLE.
EVEN IF YOU ADD MORE MONEY TO THE ROADS, THE ROADS ARE STILL
GOING TO BE TERRIBLE IF THEY KEEP GETTING FLOODED, IF WE
DON'T DEAL WITH WHY THE ROADS KEEP GETTING WHATNOT.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF THINGS CONTINUE TO FLOOD, IF YOU
LOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, PEOPLE CAN'T COME BACK IN THEIR HOMES,
THAT BECOMES MORE OF A PRIORITY THAN THE ROADS.

NO ONE IS COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW BAD THE ROADS ARE WHEN THEY
DON'T HAVE A HOME TO LIVE IN OR WHEN A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD
COMES OUT.
AGAIN, I DON'T ENVY THE DECISION THAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO MAKE.
I WOULD TRY TO ENCOURAGE YOU, DEFINITELY, WE NEED TO DO
SOMETHING ABOUT OUR STORMWATER.
WE NEED TO FIX THAT PROBLEM.
IT MIGHT NOT BE FANCY.
I HAVE LEARNED SITTING ON CIVIC ASSOCIATION, MOST PEOPLE
DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW CIVIC GOVERNMENT WORKS.
THEY THINK THE ONLY STAY TAX DOLLARS PAY FOR ARE THE RAISED.
THAT'S WHAT THEY THINK MONEY GOES TOWARD.
THEY DON'T KNOW THAT THEIR MONEY GOES TOWARDS OTHER THINGS.
SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO DO THE THANKLESS JOB THAT MAY NOT BE
SEEN.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT BENEFITS THEM THE MOST WHEN THEY
ARE NOT HOMELESS OR LIVING IN MOLDY HOMES OR ALL THE OTHER
THINGS THAT THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW ARE ON THE HORIZON.
AGAIN, WHATEVER YOU GUYS NEED TO DO WITH THE BUDGET, PLEASE
MAKE SURE THAT THE STORMWATER IS A MAJOR PRIORITY, EVEN OVER
THE PAVING OF THE ROADS AND THE POTHOLES.
EVEN IF WE FIX ALL OUR ROADS IN TAMPA, PEOPLE WOULD STILL
COMPLAIN BECAUSE THE COUNTY AND STATE DON'T FIX THEIR ROADS
IN THE CITY LIMITS AND THEY WILL BLAME IT ON YOU ANYWAY.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, DO WHAT'S BEST FOR PEOPLE WHEN IT

COMES TO THEIR LIVES, NOT JUST THEIR PROPERTY.
THAT STUFF CAN BE REPAIRED BECAUSE, AGAIN, MOST PEOPLE DON'T
KNOW REALLY WHERE THEIR TAX DOLLARS GO AS A WHOLE.
THEY THINK IT IS JUST THE ROADS.
THAT'S WHAT THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT THE MOST.
IT WAS TERRIBLE WATCHING ALL THE PEOPLE IN SOUTH SEMINOLE
HEIGHTS, THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX, THEY GOT FLOODED OUT.
THOSE PEOPLE DIDN'T HAVE THE MEANS.
I TALKED TO FEMA.
I HAD NO IDEA THERE IS A NATIONAL FLOOD PROGRAM THAT IS
SIGNIFICANTLY CHEAPER.
WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT.
SOMETHING WE DEFINITELY NEED TO PUT OUT THERE.
THANK YOU GUYS FOR WHAT YOU DO.
12:38:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, YOU HAVE A MOTION
ON THE FLOOR.
12:38:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF WE COULD HAVE THE ELMO BACK UP.
WHAT IS IT CALLED NOW.
12:38:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE WOLF VISION.
12:38:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M SORRY.
WOLF VISION.
I THINK MY MOTION IS JUST GOING TO BE WHAT'S ON WOLF VISION,
WHICH IS 5 MILLION TO PAVING AND RESURFACING, 2 MILLION TO
SIDEWALKS, 3 MILLION TO STORMWATER MAINTENANCE, $1.8 MILLION
TO FLOODING ASSISTANCE, AND THE THING IS, IF WE REPLENISH

THE EMERGENCY FUNDING AND HAVE TO PULL IT OUT, WE COULD.
I THINK WE SHOULD EARMARK IT.
I PERSONALLY BELIEVE, I THINK THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT
THING WE HAVE TO DO IS PUT THE $14 MILLION BACK.
I WOULD MOTION AS PRESENTED ON THE WOLF VISION AND AS I JUST
READ.
7 MILLION WOULD GO BACK TO REPLENISHING THE EMERGENCY FUND
FOR '25 AND 7 MILLION FOR '24.
12:39:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SECOND.
12:39:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
COUNCILMAN VIERA AND MIRANDA.
12:39:36PM >>LUIS VIERA:
ONE THING I DO WANT TO POINT OUT TO COUNCIL, I
THINK, SINCE THESE ARE CITY DOLLARS, THAT WE CAN POTENTIALLY
HAVE MORE LIBERALIZED INCOME THRESHOLDS FOR THEM WHICH IS
REALLY GOOD BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT PEOPLE, WHETHER IT'S A LOT
OF PEOPLE IN NORTH TAMPA, FOREST HILLS, DIFFERENT AREAS WHO
MAY HAVE BEEN CUT OFF, PEOPLE IN SOUTH TAMPA.
WHEN COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN AND CARLSON TALK ABOUT SOUTH
TAMPA, THERE IS A TON OF WORKING CLASS, BLUE COLLAR PEOPLE
IN SOUTH TAMPA.
THERE IS A TON OUT THERE AND A LOT OF THEM GOT HIT IN THE
STORM.
SO THIS WILL ADDITIONALLY ALSO BE ABLE TO BENEFIT THEM IF WE
WERE ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE NUMBER THRESHOLDS.
AGAIN, THIS IS A GREAT PACKAGE.

I'M SUPPORTIVE.
THANK YOU.
12:40:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
STORMWATER WENT UP A LITTLE BIT?
12:40:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, 3 MILLION.
12:40:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IT WAS LESS THAN THAT BEFORE.
THAT'S FINE.
I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS.
LET ME SAY THIS, NO MATTER WHAT DISTRICT YOU'RE FROM, WHEN
YOU VOTE HERE, YOU VOTE CITYWIDE.
WE'RE ALL CITYWIDE EVEN THOUGH YOU REPRESENT A DISTRICT.
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
12:40:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
MR. SHELBY.
12:40:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I'M GOING TO ASK IF WE CAN MAKE A COPY OF
THAT TO GIVE TO THE CLERK FOR THE RECORD JUST SO WE HAVE
THAT.
12:41:02PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
CERTAINLY.
12:41:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, YEAH.
MS. SCHARF, COULD YOU DO THAT?
12:41:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE ONE MORE ITEM.
12:41:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WITH COLORED PEN.
12:41:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE NOW GO TO ITEM NUMBER 5.

WE HAVE 19 MINUTES LEFT IN THE WORKSHOP.
12:41:26PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
POSTSCRIPT THE DISCUSSION, I WANT COUNCIL
TO KNOW WHAT THE NEXT STEP IN THIS PROCESS IS.
THIS FUNDING REMAINS UNBUDGETED.
THESE MOTIONS BACK TO THE MAYOR.
THANK YOU.
12:41:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MR. ROGERO, WHEN WOULD WE FIND OUT WHETHER
THE MAYOR APPROVES THESE?
12:41:46PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'LL CIRCLE BACK TO YOU
WITH A TIME ESTIMATE AFTER I DISCUSS IT.
12:41:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, MAYBE DURING AN ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE
IN THE NEXT FEW -- JUST SO THAT WAY WE FIND OUT WHETHER --
12:41:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A REGULAR MEETING NEXT THURSDAY.
12:42:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OR THE THURSDAY AFTER.
I ASK THAT YOU UPDATE US WHEN YOU HAVE AN ANSWER AT THE
ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE.
DON'T YOU THINK THAT MAKES SENSE?
12:42:09PM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, COUNCIL.
12:42:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THE LAST ITEM OF THE DAY -- WE COME BACK TONIGHT -- ITEM 5,
PowerPoint MOTION.
MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
MS. KOPESKY, ARE YOU LEADING THE DISCUSSION ON THIS?
12:42:25PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
I BELIEVE I AM.
12:42:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
VERY GOOD.

REMEMBER, OUR WORKSHOPS END AT 1:00.
WE HAVE ONE REGISTERED PUBLIC SPEAKER FOR THIS ITEM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND PLEASE BRING THE PRESENTATION ON
UP.
IT'S ON OUR SCREENS.
12:42:44PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
GOOD AFTERNOON.
HAGAR KOPESKY, CITY COUNCIL BUDGET ANALYST.
REALLY, THIS IS PART TWO OF THE SAAF PROGRAM DISCUSSION THAT
WE STARTED BACK IN JANUARY.
WHAT WE TRIED TO DO, REVENUE, FINANCE AND MYSELF IS ORGANIZE
THE NOTES THAT WE ALL TOOK DURING THAT LAST MEETING.
WHAT I PUT ON THE FIRST SLIDE IS WHAT I WOULD CALL LIKE THE
OVERARCHING THEME.
BEFORE I GO THROUGH THIS, ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IS
IF IT'S GOING TO BE MORE HELPFUL FOR ME TO PAUSE AT EACH
SLIDE TO A-- BECAUSE THEY ARE DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF TOPICS
OR GO --
12:43:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HOW MANY SLIDES DO YOU HAVE?
12:43:26PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
TEN.
12:43:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM UNLESS A COUNCIL
MEMBER RAISES A POINT.
I DON'T WANT THE DISCUSSION TO GET OUT OF HAND.
12:43:39PM >> YOU ONLY HAVE 15 MINUTES.
12:43:41PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WERE LIFE CYCLES.
DISCUSSION ABOUT THE LENGTH OF TERM THAT ORGANIZATIONS

SHOULD BE ABLE TO REMAIN AND PARTICIPATE.
WHAT IS SOCIAL ACTION IN ARTS FUNDING?
WE'RE GOING TO GET A LITTLE PEEK AT THE HISTORY OF WHAT WE
SPENT SPECIFICALLY IN SOCIAL ACTION ARTS AND ARTS FUNDING.
I'LL STRUGGLE WITH THAT THE WHOLE TIME.
OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF DIALOGUE AROUND CATEGORIES LAST
TIME.
SO I WILL BE SHOWING YOU AT LEAST THE CURRENT VERSION OF
THOSE CATEGORIES AND THE MIX.
AND THEN WE'LL VERY QUICKLY GO THROUGH THE EXISTING PROGRAM
PROCESS AND DOCUMENTATION AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT FISCAL
'26 PROCESS.
JUST IN TERMS OF INFORMATIONAL NOTE, AFTER GOING THROUGH AND
LOOKING AT THE ORGANIZATIONS, APPROXIMATELY 57% OF THEM AND
THE BUDGET NUMBER THIS YEAR IS 2.9 MILLION HAVE BEEN
ALLOCATED TO ORGANIZATIONS RECEIVING FUND 10 PLUS YEARS.
JUST A NOTE.
THINKING BACK TO THE DIALOGUE FROM LAST TIME, THERE WAS A
LOT OF DISCUSSION AROUND HOW DO WE ALLOW MORE PEOPLE TO
PARTICIPATE.
THE INITIAL RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT FOR FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN
RECEIVING FUNDING FOR FIVE OR MORE YEARS, THAT WE SHOULD PUT
THEM ON A NOTIFICATION THAT THAT WILL START TO SUNSET.
ONE OF THE EARLY RECOMMENDATIONS WITH A TOSS STEP IT DOWN

BASICALLY FOR FISCAL '26 TO REMAIN AT THE CURRENT LEVEL.
THE FOLLOWING YEAR TO DROP IT TO 75, AND THEN IN THE THIRD
YEAR, IT WOULD BE ABOUT 50%.
IN ADDITION, WHAT THIS WOULD REQUIRE, IF THIS IS THE
DIRECTION PEOPLE WANT TO MOVE IN, OBVIOUSLY AT THE FRONT OF
THE PROGRAM WHEN PEOPLE ENTER, THEY WOULD NEED TO BE
NOTIFIED OF THE FIVE-YEAR MAXIMUM.
ONE THING JUST TO CONSIDER, WE KNOW THAT WE BIFURCATE THE
ORGANIZATIONS FOR UNDER 25,000 AND OVER 25,000.
THOSE OVER 25,000 REQUIRE AN AGREEMENT.
JUST IN TERMS OF THIS FIVE-YEAR MAXIMUM, ONE THING FOR THE
COUNCIL TO CONSIDER IS WOULD THIS BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD
APPLY TO BOTH OF THOSE GROUPS.
AND THEN LASTLY, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ONE.
THERE WAS SOME DIALOGUE LAST TIME AROUND PART OF THE
RESPONSIBILITY IS TO HELP THEM PREPARE TO MOVE INTO BEING
INDEPENDENT AND HAVING OTHER OPTIONS GOING FORWARD, AND
THERE WERE SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT THE CITY COULD HELP IN THAT
PROCESS.
IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I THINK PROBABLY A DIFFERENT MEMBER
OF ADMINISTRATION WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO ADDRESS THAT, BUT I
KNOW THAT IS SOMETHING PERHAPS THAT WOULD GO WITH THE GRANT
DEPARTMENT.
WE MIGHT NOT SOLVE THAT EXACTLY TODAY, BUT I KNOW THAT WAS
ONE OF THE OPEN POINTS.

ALL RIGHT.
SO I THINK HISTORICALLY WHAT YOU REMEMBER IS A LOT OF TIMES
WE HEAR THIS $5 MILLION NUMBER.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT FOR TODAY AND MOVING FORWARD
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SOCIAL ACTION IN ARTS FUNDING, SO WE KNOW
WE HAVE CITY ASSETS.
I'VE LISTED THEM HERE FOR YOU.
THE AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE IN THE PLAN THIS YEAR FOR CITY
ASSETS IS 2.1.
THE AMOUNT WE HAVE IN FOR ALL THE EXTERNAL OTHERS IS 2.9.
SO THAT $5 MILLION NUMBER IS A NUMBER A LOT OF TIMES YOU
HEAR.
BUT I THINK WHEN WE TALK TODAY, WE WILL BE FOCUSING ON THE
2.9, THE EXTERNAL ORGANIZATIONS.
FOR THE MOST PART, I BELIEVE THERE WAS SOMEWHAT ALIGNMENT ON
THE FACT THAT, YES, THE ASSETS, THOUGH THEIR OWN CATEGORY,
WE WILL FOCUS ON THE EXTERNAL FOLKS.
THE OTHER AREA, THOUGH, THAT GOT SOME INITIAL DIALOGUE WAS
AROUND, WELL, WHAT ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT?
THIS ONE, IT'S REALLY MORE A NEED TO DISCUSS, ARE WE AT A
PLACE WHERE WE BELIEVE THAT SHOULD ALSO KIND OF BE BROKEN
OFF INTO ITS OWN CATEGORY?
AND IF SO, I THINK FROM A TRACKING AND MANAGEMENT STANDPOINT
THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE HANDLED
SIMILARLY TO THE WAY WE DO CITY ASSETS TODAY.

BUT IN ASSESSING THIS, IF THAT IS THE DIRECTION THAT YOU MAY
WANT TO PURSUE, THERE ARE SEVERAL QUESTIONS WE WOULD NEED TO
DO SOME WORK ON DEFINING WHAT EXACTLY IS AN ORGANIZATION
THAT PROVIDES ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
IF WE CURRENTLY HAVE AROUND 2.9 MILLION IN OUR PLAN, WHAT DO
WE THINK IS A REASONABLE ANNUAL AMOUNT TO INVEST
SPECIFICALLY IN THAT TYPE OF ORGANIZATION, AND IF WE DO WANT
TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION, IS THIS SOMETHING WHERE WE WOULD
ESSENTIALLY CARVE IT OUT FROM THE EXISTING BUDGET OR WOULD
THIS NEED TO BE A DISCUSSION ABOUT INCREMENTING?
AND THEN AS FAR AS WHERE THAT WOULD RESIDE, WHEN WE TALK
ABOUT SOCIAL ACTION IN ARTS TODAY YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT THE
REVENUE AND FINANCE DEPARTMENT TALK ABOUT THE
NONDEPARTMENTAL COST CENTER.
SO THE QUESTION WOULD BE, WOULD THIS REMAIN WHERE ALL THE
OTHER SOCIAL ACTION AND ARTS FUNDS ARE OR WOULD IT MOVE OVER
TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY DEPARTMENT?
IF YOU WANT TO MOVE IN THIS DIRECTION, THE PERFORMANCE
MEASURES THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE FROM THAT PARTICULAR
ORGANIZATION, SHOULD THOSE BE DIFFERENT?
SHOULD THEY BE MORE COMPREHENSIVE THAN SOMETHING WE DO WITH
ANOTHER TYPE OF NOT FOR PROFIT?
THIS IS THE HISTORICAL TREND I HAD REFERENCED BEFORE.
THIS IS STRICTLY GOING TO BE THE CONTRIBUTION HISTORY FOR
SOCIAL ACTION IN ARTS, EXCLUDING ANY CITY ASSETS.

THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE MILLION
DOLLARS FOR HOUSING WE'VE MOVED.
THIS IS JUST THE LIST OF THINGS THAT I PROVIDED YOU
SEPARATELY.
WHAT YOU CAN SEE HERE IS THAT WE HAVE STEPPED UP QUITE A BIT
IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, SO IN TERMS OF WHERE WE MADE SOME
INVESTMENTS, WE HAVE DONE THAT CONSECUTIVELY.
NOW, OBVIOUSLY, RESPECTFULLY, THE LEVEL FOR THE ANNUAL
BUDGET FOR FISCAL '26 IS GOING TO BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF
THE MAYOR.
HOWEVER, WE'RE ALL HERE TODAY.
IN TERMS OF HAVING THE ABILITY TO DISCUSS IN PUBLIC, THOUGHT
IT MIGHT JUST BE A GOOD TIME FOR YOU TO CONSIDER WHERE THAT
TARGET LEVEL COULD, SHOULD BE GOING INTO THE NEXT BUDGET.
THIS IS THE MIX I WAS REFERENCING.
THE SPREADSHEET I HANDED YOU SEPARATELY -- I APOLOGIZE.
WHEN I GET TO THE SLIDE YOU CAN SEE IT IS EXTREMELY SMALL.
SO I HAVE HANDED THEM A LARGER VERSION.
THAT IS JUST TO PROVIDE SOME BACKUP FOR WHICH ORGANIZATIONS
ARE GROUPED INTO THESE RESPECTIVE CATEGORIES.
IN THIS CASE, I THINK A COUPLE OF THINGS TO CONSIDER, RIGHT
NOW THERE ARE 12.
IS THAT THE RIGHT NUMBER?
IN TERMS OF HOW WE WANT TO COMPARTMENTALIZE THEM.
IN ADDITION, IF WE FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT CATEGORIZATION, THEN

IT'S REALLY GOING TO REQUIRE THAT THE GROUP DECIDE WHAT
MATERIALITY LEVEL THEY WANT FOR THE CATEGORIES BECAUSE THAT
WILL END UP HAVING AN EFFECT ON THE UPCOMING SELECTION
PROCESS.
I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND MUCH TIME HERE.
AGAIN, I DID HAND THIS OUT JUST FOR REFERENCE.
HIGH, HIGH LEVEL.
UNDER 25, OVER 25.
REALLY THE CALL-OUT HERE, IT'S RECOGNIZING THAT THERE LIKELY
WILL STILL BE THREE POTENTIAL SOURCES WHERE THIS COULD
ORIGINATE.
IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS, EVERYONE IS DIRECTED TO THE
WEBSITE, AND THERE IS A SMART FORM THERE THAT IS COMPLETED
AS THE INTAKE OF THAT PARTICULAR NEW PROCESS.
WHAT YOU'LL SEE THAT DIFFERS SLIGHTLY IS ON THE PARTICIPANTS
THAT ARE OVER 25, THAT INITIAL REVIEW IS DONE BY WHICHEVER
ADMINISTRATOR MOST REASONABLY WILL TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THAT
PARTICULAR ORGANIZATION.
WHEREAS FOR THE ONES UNDER 25, IT COULD POSSIBLY BE ROUTED
TO AN ADMINISTRATOR, BUT THERE ARE A LARGE PERCENTAGE
HANDLED BY REVENUE AND FINANCE.
I THINK REALLY THE ONLY OTHER ITEM OF NOTE IN TERMS OF THE
PROCESS I WANTED TO CALL OUT IS WHEN THERE ARE REPORTS
PROVIDED BACK, THE LESS MATERIAL GROUPS, THE UNDER 25, THEY
DO A ONE-PAGE EVERY QUARTER THAT PRECIPITATES THEM GETTING

PAID.
THEY BILL US FOR THAT AND THAT'S REVIEWED BY WHICHEVER
RESPECTIVE DEPARTMENT HAS RESPONSIBILITY.
THE PERFORMANCE REPORT THAT COMES IN FOR THE OVER 25 IS
QUITE A BIT MORE COMPREHENSIVE IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY ARE
PROVIDING BACK.
SO THAT WOULD BE SPEAKING A LITTLE BIT MORE TO WHAT DO WE
EXPECT IN TERMS OF OUTCOMES.
THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION LAST TIME AROUND THINGS WE JUST
ABSOLUTELY -- OR YOU ABSOLUTELY FEEL NEED TO BE INCLUDED.
SO I HAD COPIED YOU ALL ON THE CURRENT AGREEMENT.
FIRST THING, EVERYONE FELT STRONGLY THIS NEEDS TO BE
SOMETHING THAT EVERY YEAR STARTS FRESH.
THAT IS VERY EXPLICIT IN THE AGREEMENT.
SO THEY KNOW THAT UPON EXECUTING, THEY'LL HAVE TO RESUBMIT
AGAIN.
THE SMART FORM, WHICH GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE VERY
DETAILED IN WHAT IT IS THAT THEY EXPECT TO DELIVER TO THE
CITY.
IT DEFINES THAT THE REIMBURSEMENTS ARE QUARTERLY.
AND THOSE PARTICULAR PROGRAM PERFORMANCE REPORTS ARE WHERE
THE REQUIREMENTS ARE DETAILED IN TERMS OF THE OUTCOME.
I KNOW COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAD TALKED ABOUT REALLY NEED TO
FOCUS ON OUTCOMES.
THAT PERFORMANCE REPORT IS WHERE ALL OF THAT COMES THROUGH.

THAT'S METRICS.
THAT'S DISCUSSION OF WHAT THEY PERFORMED FOR THAT PERIOD.
LASTLY, I KNOW THIS WAS ALSO COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S QUESTION
IN TERMS OF, WELL, DO WE HAVE RECOGNITION WITH THESE FOLKS
THAT WE ARE PROVIDING SOME SUPPORT?
YES, INDEED, AFTER GOING THROUGH THE DOCUMENTATION, THERE
ARE REQUIREMENTS IN THE SUPPORTING SCHEDULES THAT REQUIRE
THEM TO PUT THINGS ON THEIR WEBSITE, INVITE US TO EVENTS,
MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE RECOGNIZED.
MOVING INTO FISCAL '26, SO THE DIALOGUE THAT'S BEEN HAD VERY
PRELIMINARY WITH REVENUE AND FINANCE, THOUGH, IS THAT WE ARE
GOING TO TRY TO TACKLE THE UPCOMING ANNUAL APPLICATION
PROCESS BASICALLY BEING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO SUBMIT
FOR THE ENTIRE FISCAL PERIOD NEXT YEAR.
WHAT I WAS TRYING TO BE A LITTLE CAUTIOUS ON BECAUSE WE
NEEDED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO DETERMINE IS WHEN THAT TIME
FRAME IS.
IT MOST LIKELY WILL BE BETWEEN MAY AND JUNE, MEANING THERE
WILL BE A DIRECTIVE TO HAVE EVERYONE WHO IS INTERESTED
SUBMIT.
THERE WILL BE A HARD DEADLINE AND THEN THE PARTICULAR FOLKS
THAT HAVE SUBMITTED WOULD COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS.
IN THIS CASE, WE KNOW WE HAVE THE BUDGET PRESENTATION ON
JULY 17.
WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THERE WILL BE THE LUMP SUM ONLY FOR WHAT

THE FISCAL PERIOD WILL BE BUDGETED FOR.
BUT THEN THE RECOMMENDATION HERE IS THAT BY THE TIME WE GET
TO ONE OF THE WORKSHOPS AND WE'RE NOT SURE WHICH ONE, THAT'S
WHERE YOU WOULD GET A VIEW INTO WHAT HAS COME THROUGH THE
APPLICATION PROCESS AND THE MAYOR'S FIRST INITIAL
RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHO THAT WOULD BE.
IN TERMS OF QUESTIONS IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, IF WE DECIDE
THAT WE ARE GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS IDEA OF
CATEGORIZATION, THEN PROBABLY WE NEED TO CHANGE THE UP-FRONT
PROCESS TO INCLUDE THAT THEY ARE SELECTING WHICH PART OF THE
CITY THEY ARE AUGMENTING AND ESSENTIALLY WHICH CATEGORY THEY
ARE FULFILLING SERVICES FOR US FOR.
THAT CURRENTLY IS NOT A REQUIREMENT.
LASTLY, THIS YEAR, WHEN WE WRAPPED UP THE FISCAL '25 BUDGET,
THERE WAS A SMALL PORTION OF UNALLOCATED.
IT'S A QUESTION FOR THE GROUP TO THINK THROUGH.
WOULD IT BE IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO HAVE SOME PORTION OF AN
ALLOCATED BALANCE JUST TO PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY THROUGHOUT THE
YEAR.
TRYING TO KEEP IT SHORT AND SWEET.
I'LL PAUSE AND ALLOW YOU TO DECIDE WHERE YOU WANT TO GO
FIRST WITH SOME OF THESE TOPICS.
12:57:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE HENDERSON, CLENDENIN, MIRANDA,
CARLSON.
12:57:14PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MS. KOPESKY FOR YOUR REPORT.
ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT CAME OUT RIGHT
AWAY IS, YOU KNOW, DOWN-STEPPING THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN ENGAGED
WITH US FROM THE STANDPOINT FOR THE TEN-PLUS YEARS.
THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY WORK BECAUSE I HAPPEN TO KNOW,
I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, THE NAACP USED TO GET $7,000.
SO THEY JUST RECENTLY GOT THAT MONEY.
SO A STEP-DOWN PROCESS WOULDN'T NECESSARILY WORK, EVEN
THOUGH THEY STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN THEIR FUNDS THIS YEAR
BECAUSE WE'RE WAITING ON THEIR DOCUMENTATION.
AND EVEN THE BLACK HERITAGE FESTIVAL, USED TO GET 10,000,
JUST GOT UP TO 25.
STEP THEM DOWN ONLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN HERE 10 YEARS, IT
JUST WOULDN'T APPLY TO BE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN
WITH US FOR A LONG TIME.
ALTHOUGH I CAN SEE SOME SORT OF -- ANYWAY, I LOST THAT
THOUGHT, IT'S NOT REALLY THAT IMPORTANT.
I JUST THINK WE NEED TO MAKE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DECISION
ABOUT LONG TERM, LIKE CAPPED AT A CERTAIN AMOUNT.
FEEDING TAMPA BAY, THERE'S NO REASON FOR US NOT TO SUPPORT
THEM.
TO SUNSET OR TO DOWN-STEP BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN WITH US FOR
TEN PLUS YEARS IS JUST NOT IDEAL.
SO THAT'S WHY I WANT TO GET RID OF THAT.
THERE ARE 17 ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN WITH US FOR TEN

PLUS YEARS.
THEM BEING JUST IDENTIFY, I THINK -- JUSTIFIED, I THINK THAT
CAN EASILY BE DONE.
THE ONE THING THAT STOOD OUT IMMEDIATELY IS THE TAMPA
EDUCATION CABLE CONSORTIUM.
THEY WERE CLASSIFIED UNDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
I REMEMBER MEETING WITH THEM AND THEM TELLING ME THAT COULD
POSSIBLY BE A CATEGORY FOR THEM.
ONLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE INTERNS.
NO, THAT'S NOT -- YOU CAN'T JUSTIFY BEING ON THE ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT OR EVEN MOSI.
HOW CAN THEY JUSTIFY BEING UNDER THAT CATEGORY AND THEN WE
GIVE THAT CATEGORY SOME SPECIAL CONCESSION BECAUSE THEY FALL
UNDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
NO WAY.
12:59:23PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
TRYING TO READ MISSION STATEMENTS.
ABSOLUTELY ROOM ON FLEXIBILITY WHERE THEY LAND.
12:59:29PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THEY MENTIONED THAT WHEN I MET WITH THEM
AND THAT IS NOT A REASON.
THAT KIND OF IS SCARY TO THEM.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO TAKE AWAY ANYONE'S FUNDING.
SO THE CLASSIFICATION IN THAT WAY IS NOT NECESSARILY WHAT I
WOULD CONSIDER APPROPRIATE.
I DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY CONTROL IT THAT WAY.
BECAUSE ARTS AND CULTURE, YOU WOULD HEAR FROM ME THAT

EDUCATION IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE NECESSARILY, HAVING IT CLASSIFIED JUST
SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND IT, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SO HARD
CORE I GUESS.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT -- AND I'LL WRAP UP WITH THIS, THE
NEW ORGANIZATIONS THAT'S ON HERE IS REALLY MY WAY OF
EXAMPLING HOW WE CAN BENEFIT SMALL ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE SO
IMPACTFUL IN OUR COMMUNITY, LIKE THE BULLOCK FAMILY, G 3
LIFE APPLICATIONS, GIRL EMPOWERMENT, MEN OF VISION, RISE UP
FOR PEACE AND ERIN'S HOUSE.
I REQUESTED $5,000 AND SO GLAD THAT IT WAS PUT INTO THE
BUDGET.
A WEEK OR TWO, WE WILL BE HEARING FROM THE BULLOCK FAMILY
FOUNDATION BECAUSE THEY PUT THAT MONEY TOWARD A PROGRAM AT
SLIGH, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE GIVING THEM A COMMENDATION FOR
THOSE EFFORTS.
I DID THAT REALLY JUST TO MODEL TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO SAY
WE CAN BE IMPACTFUL IN SMALL DOLLARS AND LITERALLY -- I'M
GETTING THANK-YOU NOTES FOR THE $5,000 BECAUSE THEY ARE ABLE
TO BUY THE SNACKS FOR THE KIDS THAT COME TO THEIR PROGRAM.
THEY ARE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING.
TO BE SUPPORTIVE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A DOLLAR FIGURE.
THE OTHER ONE WAS, I PUSHED BACK, FRIENDS OF THE RIVERWALK,
THEY WERE LOBBYING US.
THE MAYOR -- I ASKED FOR 25.

SHE LANDED AT 35.
THEY CAME BACK ASKING FOR MORE.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD CONTROL IT.
IT IS A MAYOR-LED PROCESS.
STAY IN THEIR OFFICE AND WE GET TO PROVIDE THE INPUT TO THE
MAYOR.
BUT RECOGNIZING THAT IT IS SOCIAL ACTION FUNDS AND THAT WE
JUST NEED TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK IN TERMS OF CLASSIFYING IT THIS WAY.
I DON'T WANT TO BE STUCK TO HARD RULES THAT WE MAY HAVE TO
CHANGE.
1:01:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, MIRANDA,
CARLSON, HURTAK.
1:01:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I KNOW WE HAD ASKED DENNIS OR SOMEBODY
LAST YEAR IN THE BUDGETING PROCESS TO CREATE THESE
CATEGORIES.
MAYBE YOU COULD WORK WITH THEM TO PARSE THESE THINGS OUT.
I SEE OBVIOUSLY THE PROTOCOL OFFICE, THAT'S NOT ARTS OR
CULTURE.
THAT SHOULD BE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
OH, AT THE BOTTOM.
I HAVE TO AGREE, WHY IS THE TELEVISION NETWORK IN THERE?
THAT'S KIND OF WEIRD TO ME.
THE TELEVISION NETWORK, THE TAMPA BAY PUBLIC ACCESS
TELEVISION.

TAMPA BAY COMMUNITY NETWORK.
I DON'T GET THAT.
ANYWAY, DIVIDING THIS UP BETWEEN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND
THEN TALK ABOUT SOCIAL ACTION, I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF
GOOD SOCIAL ACTION PROGRAMS AND ORGANIZATIONS IN THE CITY OF
TAMPA, BUT I THINK OUR LITMUS TEST, YOU ALL HEAR ME OUT,
THOSE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE TO FULFILL A STRATEGIC GOAL OF THE
CITY OF TAMPA.
THEY HAVE TO BE ACCOMPLISHING SOMETHING THAT IF THEY WEREN'T
DOING IT, THEN THE CITY OF TAMPA WOULD BE NEEDING TO DO IT.
SO WE SUPPORT THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING THAT THE
CITY OF TAMPA IS EITHER INCAPABLE OF OR THEY CAN DO BETTER.
I THINK WE SHOULD USE THAT AS A LITMUS TEST OF WHEN WE
SUPPORT THE ORGANIZATIONS.
I HAVE A QUESTION, WHY ARE THERE EXCEPTIONS TO QUARTERLY
REPORTS?
1:03:45PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
I THINK THEY ARE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN, IF
THAT'S FAIR.
I WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW UP ON WHY THAT OCCURS.
I KNOW IT HAPPENS, BUT --
1:03:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT BEFORE WE VOTE
NEXT TIME ON ALLOCATING, WHY.
ANOTHER QUESTION, PROCEDURALLY, IS THIS REALLY WITHIN THE
CHARTER?
BOTH OF THESE REQUIRE THE MAYOR HAS BASICALLY A VETO ON

EVERYTHING.
1:04:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE ONLY THING I REMEMBER FROM THE CHARTER
WAS APPROVAL OF FUNDS.
WE ULTIMATELY APPROVED THE FUNDS.
THE MAYOR MAY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT WE CAN MOVE IT
HOWEVER WE WANT.
WE CONTROL THE BUDGET.
1:04:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IN THAT ONE SLIDE YOU SUBMITTED, IT
BASICALLY IMPLIES --
1:04:29PM >>BILL CARLSON:
NOTHING IN THE CHARTER THAT SAYS THE MAYOR
CONTROLS NONPROFIT DONATIONS.
1:04:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT UP THE QUESTION.
1:04:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I ACTUALLY THINK IF YOU PUT SOMETHING IN
UNALLOCATED FUNDS, AFTER WE APPROVE THE BUDGET, SHE DOES
HAVE TO --
1:04:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
1:04:47PM >>JUSTIN VASKE:
JUSTIN VASKE, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
REPHRASE THE QUESTION.
1:04:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE ONE THAT HAD LESS THAN 25 AND OVER 25.
IT SAID FUNDING DECISION BY MAYOR.
1:04:59PM >>JUSTIN VASKE:
WELL, YEAH, THAT IS ULTIMATELY A FUNDING
DECISION, IT IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION HOW TO SPEND THAT
PARTICULAR MONEY.
1:05:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF WE BUDGET THAT, SO IF WE BUDGET THAT IN
THE BUDGET, THAT SHOULD BE A -- WITH OUR PROCEDURES THAT WE

HAVE APPROVED, THAT MONEY SHOULD BE ALLOCATED.
IT SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO --
1:05:21PM >>JUSTIN VASKE:
ULTIMATELY NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET,
HYPOTHETICALLY IT COULD.
IT'S BEEN APPROVED FOR THAT PURPOSE.
POLICIES INVOLVED HOW TO SPEND THE MONEY THAT THE MAYOR'S
OFFICE HEADS AND STAFF HAS DRAFTED.
1:05:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
1:05:39PM >> MIKE PERRY, BUDGET OFFICER.
1:05:42PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST LIKE NAMING OF BUILDINGS.
THE CHARTER IS SILENT AS TO WHO HAS THE POWER TO NAME IT.
LEGAL DEPARTMENT SAID, WELL, THE MAYOR HAS CONTROL OF
ADMINISTRATION.
I MADE THE POINT MAYOR CAN'T LEASE A BUILDING WITHOUT
APPROVAL.
CAN'T PAINT A BUILDING WITHOUT OUR APPROVAL.
BUY OR SELL A BUILDING WITHOUT OUR APPROVAL.
ULTIMATELY IT HAS TO COME BACK TO US.
APPROVE A BLANKET BUDGET AND CAN MAKE A DECISION WITHIN THAT
BUDGET, THAT'S FINE.
IF WE PRESCRIBE A BUDGET IN ADVANCE, THEN WITHIN PARAMETERS
THE MAYOR WOULD IMPLEMENT.
1:06:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S WHAT MY QUESTION IS.
1:06:19PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
THAT MAY BE WHERE I CONFUSED YOU.
WHEN I WAS TRYING TO SUGGEST FISCAL '26, GOING OUT WITH

APPLICATION PERIOD, HAVING THEM COME BACK IN WOULD CREATE A
LIST THAT THEN WOULD BE EVENTUALLY BROUGHT BACK FORWARD TO
THIS GROUP AT WHICH POINT, DEPENDING ON WHERE THAT GOES,
THAT WOULD BECOME THE ULTIMATE FISCAL YEAR '26.
1:06:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LEGAL, IF THIS COUNCIL ALLOCATES ONE
DOLLAR TO ORGANIZATION XYZ AND WE APPROVE THAT IN THE FY '26
BUDGET, THAT IS A DONE DEAL.
1:06:56PM >> RIGHT.
1:06:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO THAT'S NOT APPLICABLE, THAT LINE IN
THAT SLIDE.
1:07:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS IS AHEAD OF TIME.
THIS IS -- SO YOU PUT YOUR APPLICATION IN AND THIS IS HOW IT
HAPPENS.
1:07:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CAN WE GET A MOTION FOR EXTRA TIME?
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, SECOND FROM
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
EXTEND THE MEETING UNTIL 1:20.
1:07:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LAST THING IS A STATEMENT.
TWO THINGS, I THINK WE LOOK AT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY ROI.
WHAT IS THE RETURN ON THE INVESTMENT IN ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT, NOT JUST HYPOTHETICAL.
I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING ON THIS PAGE THAT I EVER ASKED
FOR, BUT I AM GOING TO ASK FOR, BECAUSE WE HAVE A VALET

COMPANY TRYING TO BE A START-UP.
I DON'T THINK THE FUNDS SHOULD BE CONTINUED IN PERPETUITY.
I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT BUMPING UP THEIR CONTRIBUTION
NEXT YEAR.
1:08:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MIRANDA, CARLSON, HURTAK.
1:08:06PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
A COUPLE OF THINGS.
HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE -- UNLESS YOU ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
YEAR, THEY ARE OUT?
1:08:16PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
FOR EXAMPLE, LAST YEAR, THERE JUST SIMPLY
WAS A FORMATION THAT HAD NOT BEEN IDENTIFIED --
1:08:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SPENT.
THAT MONEY WAS ALLOCATED, THOSE PEOPLE NEVER GOT IT.
1:08:29PM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
NO.
LET ME SAY IT DIFFERENTLY.
IF THERE WERE 50 PEOPLE THAT THE GROUP DECIDED WOULD BE THE
RECIPIENTS FOR THAT YEAR, AND THERE WAS ANOTHER 50,000, THE
GROUP THE MAYOR AGREED WOULD GO INTO THE OVERARCHING LINE
ITEM FOR THAT, THAT JUST DIDN'T HAVE ANY ORGANIZATION
ATTACHED TO IT.
THERE WAS JUST SIMPLY UNALLOCATED BUFFER AMOUNT THAT WAS IN
THE FISCAL '25.
WE JUST DIDN'T TAG IT TO A SPECIFIC ORG.
1:08:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND THING IS, WE WENT FROM '21 TO '25
FROM -- WHAT WAS THE BEGINNING.
NOW 2.94 MILLION THAT WE'RE GIVING AWAY.

PUTTING -- NOT GIVING AWAY.
PUTTING INTO A FUND TO HELP THE PUBLIC.
BUT IT ALMOST TRIPLED FROM 21 TO 25.
THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY.
THANK YOU.
1:09:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND HURTAK.
1:09:20PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR GOING THROUGH THIS.
WITH MY DAY JOB HAT ON, I'VE DONE A LOT OF THESE
PHILANTHROPIC PLANS FOR COMPANIES.
ALMOST ALL OF THEM NARROW IT DOWN TO TWO OR THREE THINGS.
I THINK THE CATEGORIES ARE TOO MANY.
IT'S GOOD TO CATEGORIZE IT IF YOU WERE TRYING TO EXPLAIN IT
TO SOMEBODY.
FROM A STRATEGY POINT OF VIEW, YOU NEED TWO OR THREE THINGS.
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THEY NEED TO BE TIED TO OUR POLICY
OBJECTIVES.
OTHERWISE, IT LOOKS LIKE POLITICAL HANDOUTS.
THAT WAY, IF SOMEBODY CALLS VERIZON, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THEY
SAY WE WANT YOU TO FUND, OH, WE ONLY HAVE THESE THREE
THINGS, AND YOU -- WE'RE NOT GOING TO FUND OUTSIDE THAT.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE DO.
OTHERWISE WE GET THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF REQUESTS, AND
THEN JUST BECAUSE WE LIKE SOMEBODY OR LIKE AN ORGANIZATION,
EVERY NONPROFIT IS DOING SOMETHING POSITIVE IN THE
COMMUNITY, BUT WE HAVE TO BE TIED TO OUR GOALS.

I THINK A BIGGER DISCUSSION NEXT TIME SHOULD BE ON WHAT ARE
OUR POLICY OBJECTIVES.
WE SHOULD ASK THE MAYOR IN ADVANCE, WHAT ARE YOUR POLICY
OBJECTIVES, IF YOU HAD TO PICK THREE, IDEALLY OUTCOME
ORIENTED AND THEN LOOK AT THOSE AND RECOMMEND AND TRY TO
COME TO SOME KIND OF CONSENSUS.
ANOTHER THING FROM A MARKETING POINT OF VIEW, ANYTIME A NAME
IS MORE THAN THREE SYLLABLES, OR ESPECIALLY MORE THAN FIVE,
IT ENDS UP BEING INITIALS.
S-A-F IN SINGAPORE IS SINGAPORE ARMED FORCES.
INITIALS MEAN DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE, AND YOU
CAN ALWAYS GET IN TROUBLE.
GOVERNMENT LIKES TO USE INITIALS, BUT I THINK WE OUGHT TO
SHORTEN IT TO SOMETHING THAT'S THREE SYLLABLES.
SAAF DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.
I THINK I WAS THE ONE WHO PROPOSED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
CATEGORY THAT WOULD NOT BE UNDER THIS BUDGET BUT MOVE UNDER
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AGAIN, POLICY DRIVEN.
IT'S GOT TO BE UNDER THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
FOR EXAMPLE, JAVIER IS A DATA PERSON.
IF HE SAYS, HEY, TO MOVE THE NEEDLE ON THIS DATA, ON THIS
OUTCOME, WE NEED TO SPONSOR THIS NONPROFIT, THAT IS AN
OBJECTIVE OF THAT DEPARTMENT JUST LIKE UNDER PARKS, RUNNING
TRAINING PROGRAMS AND OTHER THINGS.

NOT JUST CREATE IT AS A CATEGORY, IT'S THAT ANYTHING
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEEDS TO BE OVER THERE.
THE PROTOCOL OFFICE, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING THROUGH THE
TAMPA CHAMBER ANYMORE.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE NAME.
PROTOCOL OFFICE IS A JOINT VENTURE BETWEEN SEVERAL DIFFERENT
ORGANIZATIONS.
WE ONLY FUND PART OF IT.
THAT'S THE ONE THAT TAKES FOLKS ON TRIPS OVERSEAS AND THEN
ALSO WELCOMES DIGNITARIES THAT COME HERE.
BEFORE THAT OFFICE WAS IN PLACE, THERE WERE EVENTS FOR
DIGNITARIES WHERE THEY SERVED CHOP SUEY FOR CHINESE VISITORS
AND SERVED STEAK FOR THE INDIAN AMBASSADOR.
WE NEED THAT TO MAKE SURE WE WELCOME INBOUND INVESTORS.
THE NEXT ONE, AFTER THE BOCC ENTREPRENEURIAL COLLABORATIVE
CENTER, I ASSUME THAT IS PART OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THEY NEED TO BE LOOKED AT.
TAMPA WAVE IS, THEY HAVE A HUGE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
TWO VIDEO SERVICES, I WENT TO BROOKLYN PUBLIC ACCESS A
COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
THEY SPEND $6 MILLION A YEAR AND THEY ARE INCUBATING IDEAS
FOR YouTube, SOME OF THEM BECOME YouTube CHANNELS.
SOME OF THEM BECOME REGULAR TV CHANNELS OR SHOWS.
SO THEY ARE INCUBATING THINGS.
INTERNSHIP, IF IT IS TIED TO INCUBATING A CERTAIN SKILL SET

TO HELP SOMEBODY SET UP BUSINESSES CAN BE REALLY HELPFUL AND
PROBABLY SHOULD BE UNDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BUT IT SOUNDS
LIKE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT'S DEVELOPED.
NAACP PROGRAM AS FAR AS I REMEMBER, HELPING MINORITY OWNED
BUSINESSES TO BUILD UP CAPACITY AND GET BUSINESS.
I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SEPARATELY
AND HAVE THAT DEPARTMENT OVERSEE IT.
YOU SEPARATED CITY OWNED FACILITIES.
IF WE'RE PROVIDING MONEY FOR MAINTENANCE OF CITY OWNED
FACILITIES, THAT DEFINITELY SHOULD BE A DIFFERENT BUDGET
SOMEWHERE ELSE.
ANOTHER THING IS, THE REPUTATION OF COMMUNITY, IF CITY
COUNCIL PROPOSED A NONPROFIT, TAKES SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR TO
GET PAID.
IF THE MAYOR'S OFFICE PROPOSES ONE, IT GETS PAID RIGHT AWAY.
WE NEED TO TAKE OUT THE EXCUSES AND MAKE IT BLACK AND WHITE
AS TO HOW PEOPLE GET PAID.
SMALL NONPROFITS CAN'T AFFORD TO CARRY 50 OR A HUNDRED
THOUSAND.
IF THEY PAY PEOPLE, THEY CAN'T CARRY THAT FOR MONTHS AND
MONTHS AND MONTHS.
FINALLY WE NEED A ROBUST CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT ARE OUR
POLICY OBJECTIVES AND WHAT DO WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH.
I'LL END THERE.
THANK YOU.

1:13:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
1:14:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I AGREE WITH A LOT OF WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID.
THE ONLY THING I WAS THINKING ABOUT WHEN I GOT THIS, I THINK
IT WAS YESTERDAY, HAVING DONE A LOT OF WORK IN THE NONPROFIT
SECTOR, I KNOW THAT SOME OF THESE LARGE ORGANIZATIONS THAT
GET MONEY FROM US MAY NEED TO CHECK A BOX THAT SAYS RECEIVES
CITY SUPPORT FOR MATCHING GRANT DOLLARS.
SO WE KIND OF NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THAT.
I'M ASSUMING THAT FEEDING TAMPA BAY IS SPECIFICALLY, WHILE
THEIR BUDGET IS SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN WHAT WE'RE PUTTING
IN, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S PROBABLY GRANTS OUT THERE THAT
REQUIRE MATCHING DOLLARS FROM THE CITY.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW FOR SOME OF THESE LARGER
ORGANIZATIONS IF THAT'S THE CASE.
AND THEN THOSE ORGANIZATIONS PROBABLY NEED TO BE HELD
SEPARATE.
BECAUSE THEY ARE SUCH LARGE ENTITIES AND WITHOUT CITY
SUPPORT, OUR FUNDS MAKE IT BASICALLY LEGITIMIZE THE WORK
THEY ARE DOING IN CERTAIN GRANT APPLICATIONS.
I DO BELIEVE THAT'S PROBABLY FOR SOME OF OUR LARGER
ORGANIZATIONS AND LARGER DOLLARS, MIGHT BE.
IF THAT IS THE CASE, WE DO NEED TO HOLD THOSE SEPARATE.
BUT WE NEED TO TALK TO THOSE ORGANIZATIONS ABOUT HOW MUCH
MONEY CAN WE GIVE YOU SO YOU CAN CONTINUE TO SAY YOU'RE

DOING THAT.
BUT MAYBE WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU THE FULL AMOUNT BUT
WHERE CAN WE LAND TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE STILL CHECKING THAT
BOX.
ADDITIONALLY, WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT PRIORITIES, BUT THE
THING IS, COUNTY DOES ALL SOCIAL FUNDING.
WE FUND NOTHING WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
TRULY, THAT IS SOCIAL FUNDING FOR SOME OF THESE, ESPECIALLY
THE YOUTH FUNDING, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THERE ARE NO DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT FUND
THAT.
THAT SOCIAL FUNDING GENERALLY GOES THROUGH THE COUNTY.
SO I THINK WE COULD LOOK AT POLICY, BUT I THINK SOME OF OUR
POLICY MAY NOT BE THINGS THAT WE ARE ALREADY FUNDING.
SO THAT IS MY ONLY CONCERN WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POLICY
IS THAT THERE'S NOTHING -- IT MAY NOT TIE TO A SPECIFIC
THING THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA DOES, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN WE
DON'T SUPPORT IT.
IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING, A LOT OF FUNDING JUST FLOWS THROUGH
THE COUNTY BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GIVES
DOLLARS OR IT COMES FROM THE STATE THAT WAY.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT ACCIDENTALLY UNFUNDING
YOUTH PROGRAMS OR PERSONS CAN DISABILITIES PROGRAMS OR
HOUSING PROGRAMS BECAUSE WE DON'T ALREADY FOCUS ON THOSE
BECAUSE THAT'S TRADITIONALLY NOT WHAT THE CITY HAS FUNDED.

SO THAT'S REALLY -- I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S NEXT, BUT I THINK IT IS A GOOD
CONVERSATION TO HAVE.
OH, THE ONLY OTHER THING I REALLY WANTED TO AGREE WITH IS
ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BEING PULLED OUT OF THIS.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'S JUST A PORTION THAT WE ALL
DECIDE ON THAT NEEDS TO GO TOWARD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR A
SEPARATE FUND, BUT TO ME, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS NOT SOCIAL
ACTION ARTS FUNDING, HOWEVER WE WANT TO NAME IT, BUT IT IS
CRITICAL AND IT SHOULD BE, IN MY OPINION, EXPANDED TO DO
THESE SMALL START-UPS, INCUBATORS.
WE SHOULD REALLY BE FOCUSING ON THAT AND WE SHOULD ALLOW OUR
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM TO BE DOING THAT FOCUS, NOT THAT
WHOEVER IS DOING THESE PARTICULAR THINGS DOESN'T KNOW, BUT
THEY JUST HAVE A SPECIAL EXPERTISE ON THAT.
1:17:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
1:17:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE COUNCILWOMAN
HENDERSON TALKED ABOUT FEEDING TAMPA BAY AND THEN YOU JUST
TALKED ABOUT THEM, TOO.
THAT FIGURE -- SUCH AN ENORMOUS OPERATION.
I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT UP.
I WASN'T AWARE OF THAT.
YOU HAVE THE EXPERIENCE OF WORKING IN THE NONPROFIT FIELD.
HONESTLY, I WAS WILLING TO GO BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT,
FEEDING TAMPA BAY SHOULD BE ABLE TO RISE.

THEY GET A LOT OF DONORS FROM A LOT OF PLACES.
IF THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED, I NEED TO KNOW THAT.
OTHERWISE I WOULD BE MAKING A POINT TO REMOVE THAT FUNDING.
I LOVE FEEDING TAMPA BAY.
DON'T ANYBODY MISTAKE MY ADMIRATION FOR THE ORGANIZATION.
I FEEL THEY ARE ON A GOOD RUN RIGHT NOW.
THEY DON'T NECESSARILY NEED US.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS CODIFIED.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE CITY PRIOR TO
PRESENTING THE FY '25 BUDGET, THAT -- SORRY, '26 BUDGET,
THAT THEY DISSECT THIS LIST AND BREAK OUT THE ORGANIZATIONS
THAT ARE IDENTIFIED AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATIONS,
AND IF THEY NEED HELP, MAYBE THEY CAN CONSULT WITH US AS
WELL, IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT DIFFERENT ITEMS.
SO WHEN FY '26 BUDGET IS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL,
THAT THOSE ITEMS ARE BROKEN OUT AND AWAY FROM WHAT WE NOW
CONSIDER THIS SOCIAL ACTION IN ARTS FUND.
SO WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH SOCIAL ACTION IN ARTS, WE'RE ONLY
DEALING WITH SOCIAL ACTION IN ARTS.
LET'S HAVE THE BUDGET TEAM PUT THAT PROCESS TOGETHER SO WE
ARE CLEARLY IDENTIFYING WHAT WE'RE SPENDING MONEY ON.
1:19:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LET ME ASK A QUESTION ON THAT.
YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ELIMINATING THE FUNDING.
TALKING ABOUT RECATEGORIZING.
1:19:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EXACTLY.

1:19:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'M LOOKING AT STUFF HERE THAT DOESN'T
MAKE SENSE.
1:19:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AGREE WITH THAT TOO.
WE ALREADY HAD THE CONVERSATION MONTHS AGO.
WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS.
I DON'T THINK IT GOT PUT INTO A MOTION.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON SPOKE ABOUT IT.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SPOKE ABOUT IT.
WE ALL SEE IT.
IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS A GIVEAWAY OR POLITICAL PAY-BACK KIND
OF LIST AS OPPOSED TO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT.
AGAIN, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THINGS, COUNCILMAN CARLSON HIT IT
AS WELL, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND
ALSO WHAT IS PROVIDING A STRATEGIC SERVICE TO THE CITY THAT
ALIGNS WITH OUR STRATEGIC GOALS AND IS ACCOMPLISHING
SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WOULD BE DOING IF WE HAD THE
RESOURCES OR THE STAFF TO DO IT.
ALL OF THESE ITEMS, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
A MOTION FOR CITY STAFF TO BREAK OUT THE ORGANIZATIONS
WITHIN THE CATEGORY THAT IDENTIFIED AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,
HAVE THOSE BROUGHT TO US IN AN FY '26 BUDGET THAT IS NOT A
PART OF THE SOCIAL ACTION AND ARTS FUND.
1:20:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.

1:20:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'LL DO A SEPARATE MOTION.
1:20:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND AND WE HAVE ONE PERSON HERE FOR
PUBLIC COMMENT.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
1:21:03PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOTION FOR TEN MORE MINUTES.
1:21:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SECOND.
1:21:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FOR TEN MORE MINUTES FROM
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
1:21:16PM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I WANT TO THANK HAGAR KOPESKY FOR BEING FABULOUS.
I LOVE HER.
SHE'S ALWAYS VERY HELPFUL AND SHE'S EXTREMELY HELPFUL IN THE
BUDGET COMMITTEE MEETINGS.
ALMOST AS MUCH AS MIKE.
GIVE HER A WHILE.
SHE'LL CATCH UP.
1:21:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STEPHANIE POYNOR IS COMPLIMENTING CITY
STAFF.
1:21:41PM >> I DO IT ALL THE TIME.
QUOTE A BOCC MEMBER IN THE LAST SEVEN DAYS, THE COUNTY HAS
PLENTY OF MONEY.

THE COUNTY HAS PLENTY OF MONEY.
OH, REALLY.
OF COURSE, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT WAS THIS
BOCC ENTREPRENEUR COLLABORATIVE, IF THEY GOT PLENTY OF
MONEY, WHY ARE WE SPENDING MONEY ON IT.
BUT OKAY.
REQUIRE MATCHING FUNDS FOR SOME OF THIS TO ENCOURAGE GRANT
WRITING.
YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PART OF IT.
BUT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT IF WE ARE TEACHING SOME OF
THESE SMALLER GROUPS HOW TO DO GRANT WRITING AS PART OF WHAT
JAVIER DOES FOR HIS BUSINESSES, PROFITS, NONPROFITS, PUTTING
THEM TOGETHER, AND TEACHING THEM GRANT WRITING AT THE SAME
TIME BECAUSE WHEN WE'VE GOT THE SMALL FOLKS, WE WANT THEM TO
GROW BIGGER.
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY GROW BIGGER?
THEY ACTUALLY MAKE MONEY.
THEY MAY MEET SOME OF THE NONPROFITS THEY CAN SUPPORT LATER
ON.
I KNOW THAT WHEN I GIVE MONEY, IT GOES SPECIFICALLY TO
PLACES THAT I'VE HAD INTERACTIONS WITH.
THE SMART FORM ANNUALLY, I'M REALLY INTO THAT.
I THINK THAT IS A GOOD IDEA.
REPORTING IN QUARTERLY.
I KNOW THERE WAS SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA LAST WEEK THAT I

ASKED HOW THEY SPEND THE MONEY LAST YEAR.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHO IT WAS.
BUT I DID.
I THINK PREVIOUS INTONATIONS.
I'M REALLY, REALLY DISAPPOINTED THAT THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOOD
CATEGORY.
THERE'S STILL NO NEIGHBORHOOD CATEGORY.
WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS WHO ALMOST ALWAYS HAVE SOME SORT OF
NEEDS.
THE COUNTY HAS $5,000 GRANTS, BUT THEY ARE REALLY, REALLY
PICKY ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY ON.
YOU CAN SPEND IT ON FOOD FOR AN EVENT, BUT YOU CAN'T SPEND
IT ON THE INTERMENT FOR THE EVENT OR YOU CAN'T SPEND IT ON
THE PLACE FOR THE EVENT.
THERE'S NOT REALLY STUFF THERE TO GET FOLKS STARTED.
JANELLE HAS BEEN WORKING WITH US ON THIS.
THE OTHER THING, THE GENTLEMAN CAME IN FROM CAIRO AND
FRIENDS TODAY.
I WANT TO SPEAK UP FOR HIM.
HE WAS PROBABLY SAYING HOW DO I APPLY FOR THESE AND HOW DO I
GET MY FINGER IN THE POT A LITTLE BIT?
SO WE JUST HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION HOW DO WE GET TO
APPLY FOR THESE?
HOW DO WE LET SOMEBODY KNOW WE ARE INTERESTED IN THESE?

BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF THAT.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS ORGANICALLY GROWN.
NOT A SYSTEM FOR IT AND I COULD BE COMPLETELY WRONG.
MAYBE THAT'S WHAT THE SMART FORM IS SUPPOSED TO DO.
I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING.
I COME HERE AND HANG OUT.
I LOOK AT SOME OF THESE AND DO HAVE TO ASK HOW LONG DO WE
NOT PUSH THEM FORWARD TO MAKE CHANGES THAT THEY BECOME
SELF-SUFFICIENT.
1:24:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN AND SECOND
FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, YOU WANTED TO DO A MOTION.
1:24:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
ACTUALLY, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR HAGAR OR STAFF.
THANK MS. POYNOR FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
ONE OF THE THINGS I HAD TALKED ABOUT WAS THE FUNDING STREAM
FOR THIS GRANT APPROVAL, SLASH, GRANT WRITING CLASSES.
IF ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WEAN PEOPLE OFF
THE GRANTS, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TEACH THEM HOW TO WRITE
GRANTS.
I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN A FUNDING STREAM AS MAYBE PART OF
THIS MONEY.

I DON'T KNOW, AGAIN, WE'LL LEAVE IT UP TO THE ADMINISTRATION
TO SEE WHAT THEY WANT TO BRING FORWARD WITH THIS IN THE NEXT
CYCLE, BUT I WOULD SUPPORT, I DON'T KNOW, HUNDRED THOUSAND
DOLLARS TO GO TOWARD THAT.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS
UNALLOCATED.
TEACHING PEOPLE HOW TO WRITE GRANTS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE
CLASSES.
THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO HIRE PEOPLE.
YOU HAVE TO CREATE -- THEY MAY NOT NEED A HUNDRED THOUSAND
DOLLARS.
BUT JUST TO GET THEM STARTED ON THAT PROCESS, WHAT THAT
LOOKS LIKE, WHAT A SCHEDULE WOULD BE TO OFFER THOSE CLASSES.
FOR ME, THAT IS A GOOD PART OF IT.
OR IF THEY CAN JUST SEND PEOPLE -- I KNOW THERE ARE SOME
BOCC STUFF THAT DOES THAT.
WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE TO THE ADMINISTRATION TO HELP FEED
THAT.
SO WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE.
THAT'S MY QUESTION.
MY MOTION IS I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHEN THAT COMES BACK TO
US, ARE THERE ANY NONPROFITS THAT NEED CITY FUNDING FOR
THEIR GRANT MATCHING?
LIKE I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
ARE THERE GROUPS, LARGER NONPROFITS THAT NEED THAT MATCHING

FUNDING, THAT NEED TO SAY, HEY, CITY OF TAMPA IS GIVING US
FUNDING, BECAUSE IF THERE ARE, WE NEED TO HOLD THOSE
SEPARATE.
THAT'S MY MOTION, IF THEY WOULD BRING THAT FORWARD WHEN YOU
BRING THAT FORWARD FOR THE FY '26 SESSION.
1:26:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION --
1:26:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, IDENTIFY.
THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.
IDENTIFY AND BRING THEM FORWARD AND THE AMOUNT THAT WE NEED
TO FUND THEM FOR SO THEY CAN GET THOSE MATCHING FUNDS.
WHENEVER -- WHEN THEY BRING IT FORWARD DURING EITHER THE
FIRST CYCLE -- I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE'RE PLANNING TO DO THE
DIFFERENT WORKSHOPS, BUT DURING A BUDGET WORKSHOP SESSION
WHERE ALL OF THIS IS GOING TO COME BACK, THE SOCIAL ACTION
ART FUND.
1:27:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IS THERE A SECOND?
SECOND FOR DISCUSSION.
1:27:06PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO 501(C)(3)s DOING
WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO.
IF I HAVE TO TEACH THE WORLD TO BE A NONPROFIT.
1:27:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S NOT PART OF THE MOTION.
THAT'S NOT PART OF THE MOTION.
1:27:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.

ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THAT CONCLUDES THE WORKSHOP.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY ABSOLUTELY NEW BUSINESS, HOLD IT TO
TONIGHT.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, I KNOW YOU HAVE ONE.
1:27:31PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MAKE A MOTION TO CHANGE THE DATE OF THE
SPECIAL CALLED OPERATING BUDGET WORKSHOP MONDAY, AUGUST 18
TO MONDAY, AUGUST 11.
THE REASON IS THAT THE CITY CCTV ALREADY HAS SCHEDULED
UPGRADE FOR THIS ROOM ON THAT DATE, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
1:27:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
MS. EDWARDS.
1:27:56PM >> JUST A MESSAGE FROM CCTV IN REGARDS TO YOUR MIKES, THEY
ARE ONLY -- YOU'RE ONLY ABLE TO HAVE FIVE MIKES ON AT ONE
TIME.
THE CHAIR'S MIKE IS ALWAYS ON, WHICH MEANS FOUR OTHER MIKES
ARE ON.
THIS DOES INCLUDE THE ATTORNEY AND THE CLERK.
SO IF YOU NOTICE THAT A MIKE TURNS OFF, IT COULD BE THAT
SOMEONE ELSE HAS TURNED ON THEIR MIKE.
IF A SIXTH MIKE TURNS ON, IT WILL DEFINITELY BOUNCE SOMEONE

OUT.
IT'S VERY RANDOM.
IT COULD BE SOMEONE THAT'S ACTUALLY SPEAKING AT THE TIME.
I BELIEVE IT HAPPENED WITH COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN, SO SOMEONE TURNED ON THEIR MIKE.
THEY JUST WANTED ME TO LET YOU ALL BE AWARE OF THIS, THAT
THAT'S WHAT IS HAPPENING.
THANK YOU.
1:28:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
WHO WAS THE SECOND?
VIERA WAS THE SECOND.
IT WAS UNANIMOUS.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, DO YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL TONIGHT?
1:28:51PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
1:28:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, SECOND FROM COUNCIL
MEMBER CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AYE.
WE'RE ADJOURNED.
WE'LL BE BACK AT 5:01 P.M.
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