TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOPS
THURSDAY, MAY 22, 2025, 9:00 A.M.
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9:02:02AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
CALL THIS COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER.
INVOCATION AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
[MOMENT OF SILENCE]
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:02:39AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OKAY.
GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
CAN I HAVE ROLL CALL, PLEASE?
9:02:42AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
9:02:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
9:02:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
9:02:48AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
9:02:49AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
OKAY.
I NEED A MOTION TO REMOVE ITEM 8 FROM THE AGENDA.
THAT'S MOVED TO SEPTEMBER 25 ABOUT DIGITAL SIGNS.
9:02:59AM >> SO MOVED.
9:03:00AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
9:03:02AM >> AYE.
9:03:02AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO SET ON THE
AGENDA?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:03:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK WE NEED TO SAY THAT COUNCILMAN OR THE
CHAIR IS OUT.
OKAY.
SORRY.
9:03:22AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE?
CAN I MOVE TO ADOPT THE AGENDA FOR THE WORKSHOP?
9:03:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO MOVED.
9:03:31AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
9:03:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
2, 3, AND 4 ARE SIMILAR, SO THEY PROBABLY
MOST LIKELY WILL BE HEARD ALTOGETHER.
OKAY.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
BUT I DO BELIEVE PEOPLE MAY WANT TO STILL COMMENT AFTER EACH
ITEM.
9:03:49AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
CORRECT.
THEY ARE SCHEDULED TO COME AFTER EACH ITEM.
TWO TEACHERS SIDE BY SIDE IS NOT GOING TO WORK.
[ LAUGHTER ]
SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA FOR THE WORKSHOP.
COUNCILMAN VIERA IS PRESENT.
OUR CHAIR IS OUT TODAY.
I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS DUTY AS THE PRO TEM.
AND IT IS MY HONOR.
BE PATIENT.
DID WE DO THE MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA FOR THE WORKSHOP?
I DID.
I NEED THE VOTE FOR IT.
DID HAVE A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
9:04:31AM >> AYE.
9:04:32AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OKAY.
LET'S GET THIS WORKSHOP PARTY STARTED.
NUMBER 1 ON THE AGENDA, ATTORNEY SHELBY, WE HAVE RULES WHERE
THEY CAN SPEAK ON EACH ITEM.
DO YOU WANT TO CLARIFY THAT FOR EVERYONE?
9:04:46AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, PLEASE.
THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, MARTIN
SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
WITH REGARD TO THIS WORKSHOP MEETING, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC
HAVE A REASONABLE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BEFORE CITY COUNCIL
TAKES ANY OFFICIAL ACTION.
FOR A WORKSHOP, THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TAKES PLACE AT THE
END OF THE PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION BY COUNCIL, AND YOU
WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK FOR THE WORKSHOP ITEMS, THERE IS AN
iPAD OUTSIDE, A KIOSK, AND WE ASK THAT YOU SIGN IN OVER
THERE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK.
PLEASE NOTE THE NUMBER ON THE AGENDA.
NOW, PLEASE BE REMINDED THAT SPEAKERS SHALL REFRAIN FROM
DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING MAKING VULGAR OR THREATENING
REMARKS.
PLEASE, SPEAKERS SHALL REFRAIN FROM LAUNCHING PERSONAL
ATTACKS AGAINST ANY CITY OFFICIAL, STAFF MEMBER OR MEMBER OF
THE PUBLIC.
COMMENTS SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO THE COUNCIL AS A BODY AND NOT
TO INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND NO ONE PRESENT DURING A COUNCIL MEETING SHALL ENGAGE IN
DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING INTENTIONALLY MAKING OR
CAUSING TO BE MADE ANY DISRUPTIVE SOUND OR NOISE OR
DISPLAYING SIGNS OR GRAPHICS IN A MANNER DISRUPTIVE TO THE
PROCEEDING.
THE CHAIR SHALL RULE OUT OF ORDER ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC
WHO SPEAKS WITHOUT BEING RECOGNIZED AND NO PERSON SHALL
APPROACH THE DAIS DURING MEETINGS EXCEPT COUNCIL MEMBERS AND
EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY UNLESS INVITED BY A MEMBER OF COUNCIL.
PLEASE, ALL PERSONS SHALL AT ALL TIMES CONDUCT THEMSELVES IN
ACCORDANCE WITH COUNCIL RULES.
PERSONS FAILING TO DO SO SHALL BE RULED OUT OF ORDER AND MAY
BE DIRECTED AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR TO BE REMOVED
FROM THE COUNCIL CHAMBER.
SUCH PERSON SHALL NOT BE READMITTED TO THE COUNCIL CHAMBER
OR CITY HALL DURING THE REMAINDER OF THAT DAY'S MEETING.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
9:06:28AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
MS. VAN LOAN, I BELIEVE YOU ARE UP FIRST WITH ITEM NUMBER 1,
MULTI-SPORTS FIELD FOR THE LATE ROLAND PAZ SENIOR.
9:06:38AM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
GOOD MORNING, CHAIR PRO TEM AND MEMBERS
OF CITY COUNCIL.
MICHELLE VAN LOAN, REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT.
I AM HERE FOR PRESENTATION ON A MOTION TO NAME THE
MULTIPURPOSE FIELD AT THE FOREST HILLS RECREATION COMPLEX
AFTER ROLAND PAZ SENIOR.
IF WE CAN HAVE THE PowerPoint.
SO ROLAND PAZ WAS BORN IN SPAIN.
WHILE HE WAS THERE, HE PLAYED FIRST DIVISION SOCCER AS A
YOUNG MAN.
HE CAME TO THE UNITED STATES.
HE DID OBTAIN CITIZENSHIP AND EVENTUALLY OWNED HIS OWN
SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS, ROLAND'S TV AND ELECTRONICS.
THE PAZ FAMILY WAS THE SECOND HOME IN THEIR BLOCK IN 1955 ON
NORTH OTIS AVENUE.
THE PAZ FAMILY OF SIX WERE REGULARS AT THE FOREST HILLS
RECREATION CENTER AND PRODUCTS OF THE FOREST HILLS
COMMUNITY.
MR. PAZ WAS FREQUENTLY SEEN AT THE RECREATION CENTER PLAYING
GUITAR, ATTENDING MEETINGS, AND PLAYING PING-PONG.
MR. PAZ REALLY APPRECIATED THE VALUE OF THE FOREST HILLS
RECREATION CENTER TO THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT IT MEANT TO THE
COMMUNITY AT-LARGE.
DUE TO HIS PASSION FOR SOCCER, HE STARTED THE FOREST HILLS
YOUTH SOCCER LEAGUE IN 1973 AND MADE THE FOREST HILLS
RECREATION CENTER FIELD ITS HOME.
THE FOREST HILLS YOUTH SOCCER LEAGUE WAS A LARGE LEAGUE AND
SERVED YOUTH OF ALL AGES.
MR. PAZ COACHED HIS OWN TEAM.
THE FOREST HILLS HURRICANES AND POSITIVELY INFLUENCED MANY
YOUNG LIVES.
ONE OF THOSE YOUNG PLAYERS NOW COACHES THREE TEAMS FOR THAT
LEAGUE.
MR. PAZ INSTILLED A PASSION FOR THE SPORT IN HIS PLAYERS AND
MORE IMPORTANTLY SET AN EXAMPLE FOR GIVING BACK TO HIS
COMMUNITY.
AT THAT TIME, THE FOREST HILLS RECREATION CENTER FIELD WAS
NOTHING BUT SAND, WEEDS, SAND SPURS AND PALMETTO BUSHES.
MR. PAZ LOBBIED AND MET WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA THEN MAYOR
GRECO ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS ASKING TO TRANSFORM THE FIELD
INTO A MULTIPURPOSE SPORTS FIELD.
BUT DUE TO LIMITED FUNDING OVER THE YEARS, OTHER AMENITIES
WERE SLOWLY ADDED TO THE COMPLEX BUT THE FIELD ITSELF
REMAINED UNDEVELOPED FOR A LONG TIME.
MR. PAZ WAS SO DETERMINED TO TRY AND PROVIDE A PROPER SPORTS
FIELD THAT HE RALLIED SOCCER TEAM MEMBERS AND THE COMMUNITY
TO COME OUT AND TRY AND IMPROVE THE FIELD THEMSELVES.
IN 1975, CLOSE TO 100 PEOPLE SHOWED UP ON A SATURDAY
BRINGING THEIR OWN RAKES, SHOVELS, AND HAND TILLERS TRYING
TO LEVEL OUT THE FIELD AND MAKE IT USABLE.
THEY ALL WORKED VERY HARD THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND FINALLY
REALIZED THE TASK WAS A LITTLE BIT TOO BIG EVEN FOR THEIR
BIG HEARTS.
MR. PAZ NEVER GAVE UP HOPE AND CONTINUED TO LOBBY THE CITY
TO MAKE THE FIELD A TRUE SPORTS FIELD.
THE FOREST HILLS SOCCER LEAGUE CONTINUED TO THRIVE AND GROW,
BUT BEFORE THE SPORTS FIELD COULD BECOME A REALITY, MR. PAZ
CONTRACTED LUNG CANCER AND QUICKLY SUCCUMBED.
BEFORE HIS PASSING, THE FOREST HILLS COMMUNITY RALLIED
TOGETHER AND SUPPORTED THE FAMILY DURING THAT DIFFICULT
TIME.
THE TAMPA ROWDIES PROVIDED MRS. PAZ A SOCCER BALL SIGNED BY
THE ENTIRE TEAM AND ALSO SIGNED BY THE LEGENDARY SOCCER
PLAYER PALEY IN HONOR OF MR. PAZ'S EFFORTS FOR YOUTH SOCCER
AND THE COMMUNITY.
THE FOREST HILLS COMMUNITY CREDITS MR. PAZ AND ALL HIS
EFFORTS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF A MULTIPURPOSE FIELD AT THE
FOREST HILLS COMPLEX.
48 YEARS LATER, IF HE COULD SEE THE TRANSFORMATION OF THE
FIELD NOW, HE WOULD BE SO PROUD.
PER OUR DUE DILIGENCE PROCESS, THE PARKS AND REC HAS
REVIEWED THE REQUEST AND ALL THE DOCUMENTATION PROVIDED.
THESE ARE EVENTS THAT HAPPENED BACK IN THE '70s.
THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT HAS RECOMMENDED A COMMEMORATIVE
MARKER THAT DETAILS HIS EFFORTS AND CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE
COMMUNITY.
THE ACTUAL RECOMMENDATION IS UP TO CITY COUNCIL AND AT YOUR
DISCRETION.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
9:10:32AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCILMAN VIERA AND THEN COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
9:10:36AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MS. VAN LOAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS.
WE HAVE HERE OFFICER ROY PAZ THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM,
IF I MAY, WHENEVER IS APPROPRIATE.
MS. VAN LOAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR DETAILED
PRESENTATION.
YOU'RE ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH ON THESE TYPES OF
ISSUES AND EVERYTHING.
SO THE SUGGESTION, THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE MARKER.
I'M MAKING A MOTION AND I'LL EXPLAIN IT AND OFFICER PAZ IS
ALSO GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT, TO RENAME THAT RECREATION
FIELD AFTER THE LATE ROLAND PAZ AS WELL AS THE MARKER.
THERE'S STRONG COMMUNITY SUPPORT FOR THIS MOVE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PARK'S POSITION IS THAT THERE WAS IN
THE 1970s VERY LITTLE DOCUMENTATION FOR CERTAIN THINGS
HAPPENING.
SO THEY HAVE TO GO WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE.
WE HAVE SUPPORT FROM THE FOREST HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD
ASSOCIATION.
I'VE SPOKEN TO THE FOLKS OUT THERE.
THERE IS STRONG UNANIMOUS SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY OUT
THERE.
WE HAVE OUT HERE ONE OF THE BEST GUYS I KNOW, OFFICER ROY
PAZ, ONE OF MY FAVORITE PEOPLE.
HE IS A REALLY, REALLY GOOD GUY.
SERVED TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR OVER THREE DECADES,
RECENTLY RETIRED.
IS A MILITARY VETERAN.
JUST A REALLY, REALLY GOOD GUY.
HIS FATHER WAS A TRUE COMMUNITY LEGEND IN FOREST HILLS.
A LOT OF FOLKS OUT THERE KNOW HIM, LIKE MICHELLE SAID
CORRECTLY, IT WAS HIS IDEA TO MAKE THIS MULTIPURPOSE FIELD A
MULTIPURPOSE FIELD.
EARLY ON IN THE EARLY DAYS, IF YOU LISTEN TO FOLKS WITH
THEIR STORIES OUT THERE, IN THE EARLY SOCCER LEAGUE, THEY
DID WITH WHAT THEY HAD.
AND THEY WOULD USE TIRES.
THEY WOULD USE PIPES FOR THE GOALS.
THEY DID WITH WHAT THEY HAD.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF MUSCLE BUT THEY HAD A WHOLE LOT OF
HEART.
THE LATE MR. ROLAND PAZ OWNED A TV REPAIR SHOP ON BUSCH
BOULEVARD.
A REAL NORTH TAMPA WORKING FAMILY.
THEY HAD FOUR CHILDREN.
WHEN OFFICER PAZ WAS TEN YEARS OLD, HIS FATHER PASSED ON.
I SEE THE KIND OF MAN THAT OFFICER PAZ IS TODAY, AND WE'RE
ALL PROUD OF HIM.
WHEN HE DISCLOSED THIS TO ME ABOUT HIS FATHER ABOUT A YEAR
AGO, I BECAME VERY EMOTIONAL BECAUSE WE WOULD ALL WANT TO
HAVE KIDS AS DECENT AS OFFICER ROY PAZ IS.
I BELIEVE THAT HIS FATHER LOOKS DOWN NOW WITH GREAT PRIDE AT
THE KIND OF MAN THAT HIS SON IS.
AND TO THINK ABOUT A SON, MANY YEARS AFTER HIS DAD HAS
PASSED, TO REMIND THE CITY ABOUT THE LEGACY OF WHAT HIS DAD
DID AND SAY, THAT'S MY DAD, THAT IS A BIG FRICKING DEAL TO
ME, AND I THINK WE OUGHT TO HONOR THAT REQUEST.
AGAIN, THIS IS A MAN WHO WAS A TRUE COMMUNITY LEADER IN
FOREST HILLS.
PEOPLE KNOW HIM, PEOPLE REMEMBER HIM.
UNANIMOUS SUPPORT FROM THE FOREST HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD
ASSOCIATION.
WE HAVE HIS SON HERE TO SUPPORT IT.
WE'RE GOING TO BE HEARING FROM HIM, A MAN WHO WE ALL LOVE.
A MAN WHO IS A TRUE, NOT JUST A TAMPA HERO, BUT A FOREST
HILLS HERO.
HE LIVES FOUR HOMES DOWN FROM THE HOME WHERE HE WAS RAISED
BY HIS PARENTS.
WHEN HIS FATHER PASSED ON WHEN HE WAS TEN YEARS OLD, HIS
MOTHER WOULD RAISE THE FOUR CHILDREN WORKING ODD JOBS,
TRYING TO MAKE ENDS MEET.
SHE WOULD ULTIMATELY RETIRE FROM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
AGAIN, A WOMAN THAT DID MANY, MANY GOOD THINGS.
HONOR THIS FAMILY.
FOREST HILLS LOVES ROLAND PAZ.
LET'S MAKE THIS HAPPEN, COUNCIL.
9:14:16AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
DARLENE, CAN YOU GET MR. PAZ ON THE
SCHEDULE TO SPEAK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE.
NEXT COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:14:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ROY PAZ IS HERE, NICEST GUY IN TAMPA NOT
NAMED LUIS VIERA, I'D LIKE TO SAY.
THE PAZ FAMILY IS WELL KNOWN AND WELL-RESPECTED IN FOREST
HILLS.
IT'S AMAZING.
YOUR FATHER PASSED AWAY MANY YEARS AGO, BUT PEOPLE STILL
TALK ABOUT HIM BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT THAT HE HAD ON THIS
COMMUNITY.
THIS IS SOMETHING LONG OVERDUE AND WELL DESERVED.
IT'S AN HONOR THAT YOU ARE HERE.
FAMILIAR FACE TO COUNCIL.
AGAIN, I'M EXCITED TO SUPPORT THIS.
THANK YOU.
9:14:52AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
WE HAVE THREE PUBLIC SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.
STEPHANIE POYNOR, SANDY SANCHEZ AND YVONNE FERRELLI.
NOT HERE.
NO?
MR. PAZ, ARE YOU PRESENT?
9:15:11AM >> I AM.
9:15:12AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COME ON UP.
9:15:14AM >> HELLO.
THANK YOU FOR ALL THOSE NICE WORDS.
COUNCIL, IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
EVERY TIME I SEE YOU, I WANT TO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE
BIG SENDOFF YOU GAVE ME WHEN I RETIRED FROM THE TAMPA POLICE
DEPARTMENT.
I'LL NEVER FORGET THAT.
IT'S NOT SO MUCH ABOUT ME TODAY, AND I'M HUMBLY HERE ON
BEHALF OF MY FAMILY.
I HAVE TWO BROTHERS ROLAND, RICHARD AND MY SISTER VICKY.
WE'RE HERE TO HUMBLY REQUEST THAT YOU CONSIDER NAMING THE
FOREST HILLS MULTIPURPOSE FIELD AFTER OUR LATE FATHER.
OUR DAD WAS SUPER PASSIONATE ABOUT THE AREA, ABOUT FOREST
HILLS, ABOUT THE RECREATION CENTER.
I DON'T KNOW, MR. MIRANDA MAY REMEMBER TANYA HART.
SHE ENDED UP BECOMING THE DIRECTOR OF THE FOREST HILLS -- I
MEAN OF PARKS AND REC.
BUT SHE STARTED OUT THERE IN FOREST HILLS.
HER AND MY DAD WERE VERY CLOSE AND HAD REALLY GOOD TIMES
TOGETHER AT THE REC CENTER AND EVERYTHING.
MY DAD HAD A VISION FOR THAT FIELD.
PLAYED FIRST DIVISION SOCCER IN SPAIN.
HE'S VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT SOCCER.
HE JUST DIDN'T SEE THE FIELD AS A SOCCER FIELD.
HE SAW IT AS A MULTIPURPOSE FIELD.
HIS VISION OF THAT FIELD IS WHAT IT IS TODAY.
WHEN THAT FIELD WAS BUILT -- I MEAN, AGAIN, ON BEHALF OF
FOREST HILLS AND ALSO MY FAMILY, WE CAN'T THANK YOU ALL
ENOUGH FOR REFURBISHING THE FOREST HILLS PARK THERE.
IT IS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL.
YOU CAN WALK THERE.
PLAY PICKLEBALL THERE.
ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
THE FIELD ITSELF IS ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC.
AND IT HAS PEOPLE ON IT EVERY DAY PLAYING SOCCER, PLAYING
FLAG FOOTBALL.
IT IS A VIBRANT, MULTIPURPOSE FIELD.
WHEN WE SEE THAT FIELD, MY FAMILY AND I SEE IT, WE SEE OUR
DAD, THAT WAS HIS VISION.
HE RALLIED THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SOCCER LEAGUE TO GO OUT
THERE AND TRY TO DO THAT HIMSELF BECAUSE AT THE TIME THE
CITY COULD NOT DO THAT.
IT WAS THE EXACT SAME SPOT OF WHERE THE FIELD IS TODAY.
IT'S JUST LIKE, WOW, THIS IS JUST AMAZING.
BUT ANYWAY, I HAD BROUGHT A SOCCER BALL, AND THIS WAS A BALL
THAT WAS GIVEN TO MY FAMILY WHEN MY DAD GOT SICK AND HE
PASSED AWAY.
IT WAS SIGNED BY THE ROWDIES.
IT'S THANKING HIM FOR HIS SUPPORT.
HE WAS SUCH A BIG DEAL THAT IT WAS SIGNED BY PALEY HIMSELF.
I'M HAPPY TO SEND THIS AROUND AND FOR YOU ALL TO LOOK AT AND
EVERYTHING, BUT IF MY DAD WOULD HAVE SAW THE SIGNATURE ON
THERE, HE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE FAINTED BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE
OF HIS FAVORITE PLAYERS.
BUT, AGAIN, I CAN'T THANK YOU ALL ENOUGH FOR EVEN
CONSIDERING THIS AND ON BEHALF OF MY FAMILY, WE HUMBLY
REQUEST THAT YOU CONSIDER NAMING THE FIELD AFTER OUR DAD.
OUR LAST NAME MEANS PEACE IN SPANISH.
WHAT A FITTING THING TO BE PEACE FIELD, YOU KNOW, FOR THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE LIKE TO THANK THE FOREST HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION
FOR ALL THEIR SUPPORT WITH THIS AND ALSO PARKS AND REC FOR
EVERYTHING THEY DID.
COUNCILMAN VIERA, AHH, I JUST CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR
YOUR TIME AND EFFORT AND YOUR STAFF.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
9:18:24AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
PASTOR WILLIAMS, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE ABOUT
THE MULTI-SPORTS FIELD?
YOU SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
GOOD MORNING.
MS. BULLOCK, YOU'RE NEXT.
YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS ITEM.
9:18:59AM >> I THINK I GAVE YOU ALL ONE SOME TIME AGO, BUT YOU ALL
NEVER RESPONDED.
THIS ONE FROM MY CHURCH.
IN GOD WE TRUST.
HE THAT BELIEVE IN THE SON HAS EVER-LASTING LIFE.
HE THAT BELIEVE NOT IN THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE BUT --
GOD IS ANGRY -- DEARLY BELOVED.
AVENGE NOT YOURSELF.
VENGEANCE IS MINE.
I WILL --
9:19:51AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
PASTOR WILLIAMS, THIS IS ABOUT THE
MULTI-SPORTS FIELD.
IT IS, AMEN.
9:19:55AM >> YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE RESPECT TO GOD?
9:19:59AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I CAN DO THAT.
BUT YOU ONLY HAVE A FEW MINUTES.
THE MULTI-SPORTS FIELD IS THE TOPIC TODAY.
9:20:10AM >> I'LL SIT DOWN.
YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE RESPECT TO GOD.
I'M A PREACHER.
9:20:15AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YOU CAN TAKE YOUR THREE MINUTES.
NOTHING ABOUT THE MULTI-SPORTS COMPLEX ON THE RECORD.
MS. BULLOCK.
FOLLOWED BY MR. MICHELINI.
9:20:24AM >> GOOD MORNING.
VALERIE BULLOCK FROM PONCE De LEON AT COLLEGE HILL.
CONGRATULATIONS, MR. PAZ, ON GETTING THE FIELD NAMED AFTER
YOUR FATHER.
THAT'S AN HONOR.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO TALK ABOUT FAIR OAKS AGAIN.
WE WANT THE NAME AFTER ARTIS GAMBRELL AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
IT SEEMS TO BE DIFFERENT PROCESSES FOR DIFFERENT PARKS AND
DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
AND THE CITY OF TAMPA NEED TO WORK ON TRANSPARENCY AND
INTEGRITY SO THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE
PUSHED TO THE SIDE WHERE OTHERS IS A SMOOTH PROCESS.
THANK YOU.
9:21:06AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU, MS. BULLOCK.
MR. MICHELINI?
NOTHING.
OKAY.
YVONNE FERRELLI.
YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING?
9:21:17AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
9:21:18AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MENTESNOT.
9:21:34AM >> UHURU. MENTESNOT.
UHURU MEANS FREEDOM IN SWAHILI.
WE SAY WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE SHOULD ALWAYS BE THINKING ABOUT
OUR FREEDOM.
WHAT WE SEE IS, AS LIFE GOES ON, WE SEE TIME AND ENERGY
RESOURCES EXPENDED ON THINGS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH
THE EMANCIPATION, THE FREEDOM, THE INDEPENDENCE, THE
SELF-DETERMINATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE.
WE SEE STUFF LIKE TALKING ABOUT FIELDS AND PARKS AND
RECREATION AND OTHER STUFF AND BRIDGES AND LIGHTS ON THE
BRIDGES AND RIVERWALKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT WE'RE 26% OF THIS POPULATION AND WE DEMAND 26% OF THIS
CITY BUDGET.
WE DON'T WANT THE NONSENSE ABOUT FIELDS AND PARKS AND
RECREATION CENTERS AND WHAT YOU DO.
IT'S ALL HONORABLE AND IT'S ALL GOOD, BUT AS GOOD AS PETTY
STUFF.
IT'S PETTY IN COMPARISON TO WHAT AFRICAN PEOPLE HAVE BEEN
NEEDING AND WANTING OUR NECESSITIES FOR THE LAST 825 YEARS
UNDER THE OCCUPATION OF A VARIETY OF EMPIRES, ORGANIZATIONS,
AND INDIVIDUALS.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FIELDS, TALK ABOUT MR. ARTIS GAMBRELL
AND FAIR OAKS AND WE SHOULD HAVE HAD THAT DONE.
LOTS OF PEOPLE CAME TO SUPPORT THAT.
IT'S NOT DONE.
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE.
INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT FIELDS, THOUGH, WE NEED TO TALK
ABOUT CHILD SUPPORT, THAT IS A GENOCIDE PROGRAM.
THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT.
WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE VOTE AND HOW IT WORKS.
WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT HOW THEY SCANDALIZE INDIVIDUALS.
ONE THING AFRICAN PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW, TALKING ABOUT FIELDS,
WHEN THIS MAYORAL VOTE IS COMING UP, THEY NEED TO TAKE AND
PUT MONEY IN THAT.
TAKE THE MONEY AWAY FROM THE FIELDS.
TAKE THE MONEY AWAY FROM PARKS AND RECREATION AND PUT IT
INTO THAT AND HOW THAT COMES ABOUT.
TAKE AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND HOW MICHELLE PATTY, HOW WTMP, KAY
WELLS, FLORIDA SENTINEL AND ONE OR TWO OTHER INDIVIDUALS,
FEW PREACHERS, REVEREND THOMAS SCOTT AND A FEW OTHER
INDIVIDUALS LEAD THE NEGROES IN THIS CITY.
HISTORICALLY HAVE LED THE NEGROES TO VOTE FOR STUPIDITY.
THAT NEED TO CHANGE.
THAT NEED TO CHANGE.
AND ANY AFRICAN PERSON IN THIS CITY WHO WOULD VOTE FOR BOB
BUCKHORN --
9:24:14AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MR. MENTESNOT.
THIS IS ABOUT THE MULTI-SPORTS FIELD.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
9:24:18AM >> STOP MY TIME WHILE YOU INTERRUPT.
9:24:20AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THIS IS ABOUT THE MULTI-SPORTS FIELD ITEM
1 WITH ALL DUE RESPECT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS REGARDING THE AGENDA ITEM OR
DO YOU JUST WANT TO DISRESPECT THIS CHAMBER?
9:24:31AM >> I'M MOST DEFINITELY TALKING ABOUT FIELDS AND TALKING
ABOUT WHERE RESOURCES SHOULD GO.
TALKING ABOUT THE STUPIDITY ON FIELDS, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE
EXISTENCE OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN THIS CITY.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FIELD.
I'M MOST DEFINITELY TALKING ABOUT THE FIELD.
9:24:49AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
HOW MUCH TIME DOES HE HAVE LEFT?
OKAY.
LET'S GET YOUR 15 SECONDS DONE.
9:24:55AM >> AND THAT'S DISRESPECTFUL.
9:24:56AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YES, SIR.
9:24:57AM >> WHAT YOU DID IS DISRESPECTFUL.
AND NEXT TIME YOU'LL GET CURSED OUT.
9:25:01AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I STOPPED THE CLOCK FOR US TO HAVE THE
CONVERSATION.
YOU CAN FINISH YOUR 15 SECONDS, I AM LETTING YOU KNOW THIS
IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1, MULTI-SPORTS FIELD COMPLEX.
9:25:13AM >> IF YOU HAD ANY KIND OF FLEXIBILITY IN YOUR WAY OF
THINKING, YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE IN THIS CITY NEED TO KNOW, DO NOT
VOTE FOR BOB BUCKHORN.
HOLD YOUR VOTE 100%.
DON'T LET OUR PEOPLE RUN THROUGH THAT AGAIN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:25:31AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
NEXT SPEAKER.
ANY OTHER SPEAKERS?
LET ME LOG BACK INTO THIS MACHINE.
IT WENT OUT.
COUNCIL, I BELIEVE THERE ARE NO MORE SPEAKERS FOR THIS
PARTICULAR ITEM.
9:25:47AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MAY I MAKE A MOTION?
9:25:49AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
DO YOU WANT TO SAVE THOSE FOR THE END
UNDER NEW BUSINESS?
WE'RE AT THE END OF THE ITEM.
YOU WANT TO DO IT THAT WAY?
LET'S DO IT.
9:25:57AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I AGAIN WANTED TO THANK MS. VAN LOAN FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU.
IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING.
QUESTION EITHER FOR MS. VAN LOAN OR MR. SHELBY, WHAT WOULD
BE THE PROPER MOTION TO HAVE THIS COME BACK?
9:26:15AM >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN:
MICHELLE VAN LOAN, REAL ESTATE.
WHATEVER MOTION YOU MAKE, I REQUEST FIRST READING FOR JULY
17.
UPON PASSING OF THE MOTION, WE WILL POST THIS TO OUR WEBSITE
TOMORROW.
FOR THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD WANT TO ENTER PUBLIC COMMENT IT
WOULD POST MAY 23rd THROUGH JUNE 16.
BECAUSE OF YOUR JULY HOLIDAY, WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU SET
FIRST READING FOR JULY 17.
9:26:40AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MY MOTION WOULD BE TO HAVE A FIRST READING ON THE RENAMING
OF THE MULTI-SPORTS FIELD AFTER THE LATE ROLAND PAZ, SENIOR,
AS WELL AS WITH THE MARKER WHICH MS. VAN LOAN SPOKE OF AND
TO HAVE THAT COME BACK ON JULY 17.
9:26:56AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
9:26:57AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ANY DISCUSSION?
MR. MIRANDA.
9:27:00AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'VE KNOWN OFFICER PAZ AND HIS FATHER MANY YEARS.
IN FACT, I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN SAY I WAS HERE IN 1977.
IT'S AN HONOR.
LOOK BACK 50 YEARS AGO, THAT'S WHAT IT IS JUST ABOUT, YOU
REALIZE THAT SOCCER IS NOT WHAT SOCCER IS TODAY.
SOCCER WAS SOMEWHERE WHERE NO ONE PLAYS.
MAYBE TWO OR THREE KIDS TRYING IT OUT.
THE INSPIRATION OF SOCCER, WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THEY HAD THE
ROWDIES, WAY BACK, STARTED WAY BACK MANY YEARS AGO AND
THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
PAZ BY TEACHING THE KIDS WAS AN INFLUENTIAL, LIKE A GAS
STOVE LIGHTING UP ONE OF THE GAS PARTS OF WHERE YOU COULD
COOK AT AND GIVING THE KIDS A HEAD START IN WHAT WAS TO BE A
COMPETITIVE SPORT.
MORE PEOPLE PLAYING SOCCER IN THE WORLD THAN THERE IS
FOOTBALL AND BASEBALL COMBINED.
SO I WANT TO THANK YOU AND YOUR FATHER FOR LEADING THE WAY
AND MAKING SOME CHANGES IN AMERICA.
THANK YOU.
9:28:01AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OKAY.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
9:28:04AM >> AYE.
9:28:04AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
THANK YOU, MS. VAN LOAN.
ITEM NUMBER 2 IS MR. VIK BHIDE, STORMWATER CONSULTANT
APPLIED SCIENCES TO PRESENT THE UPDATES ON THE STORMWATER
MASTER PLAN.
ARE YOU GOING TO GO IN ORDER?
SO THE SPEAKERS HAVE SIGNED UP FOR EACH TOPIC, ITEM AGENDA.
9:28:27AM >>VIK BHIDE:
NUMBER 2 FIRST.
GOOD MORNING, CHAIR, COUNCIL.
VIK BHIDE, MOBILITY.
I HAVE YUAN LI, OUR STORMWATER MANAGER WITH US, AND OUR
CONSULTANT AS WELL.
DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THE MOTION FIRST MADE BY COUNCILMAN
CARLSON ABOUT THE STORMWATER PLAN AND THEN OUR CONSULTANT
WILL PROVIDE THE PRESENTATION AS REQUESTED.
9:28:55AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
YUAN LI, STORMWATER ENGINEERING MANAGER.
APPLIED SCIENCES IS HERE TODAY TO PRESENT THE UPDATE OF
CITYWIDE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER
DEVELOPMENT.
BEFORE THEY PRESENT, I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW
OF THE PROJECT.
SO TO THIS DAY, THE CITY HAS CONDUCTED THOUSANDS OF
STORMWATER STUDIES FOR MAJORITY PARTS OF THE CITY IN
RESPONSE TO FLOODING PROBLEMS AND TO DEVELOP THE STORMWATER
IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
THIS STUDY SPAN FROM ALMOST 30 YEARS AGO TO MOST RECENT.
AND SOME PARTS OF THE STUDIES HAVE NOT GONE THROUGH A
DETAILED STUDY BECAUSE OF NOT MANY FLOODING COMPLAINTS HAVE
BEEN REPORTED.
SO THIS PROJECT IS BY FAR THE LARGEST STORMWATER PLANNING
PROJECT OF THE CITY AND IS REALLY BRINGS ALL PARTS OF THE
CITY UP TO TODAY'S CONDITIONS AND TO TODAY'S ENGINEERING
PRACTICE STANDARDS.
IT WILL ADDRESS TWO MAJOR QUESTIONS.
NUMBER ONE, THE CURRENT STATE OF CITY STORMWATER SYSTEM.
SO AFTER COMPLETING ALL THE IMPLEMENT PROJECTS FROM SMALL
SCALE LOCALIZED NEIGHBORHOOD PROJECTS TO REGIONAL SCALE,
LARGE SCALE REGIONAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, SUCH AS
MacDILL 48, WE WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT IS STILL LACKING IN
CITY STORMWATER SYSTEM SO THAT A LIST OF NEW PROJECTS CAN BE
DEVELOPED.
NUMBER TWO, CURRENT FLOOD RISKS.
WE ALL HEARD ABOUT.
[INDISCERNIBLE]
BEING FLOODED.
THOSE WERE DESIGNATED ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO, AND THEY NEED TO
BE UPDATED WITH NEWER AND BETTER DATA.
THIS IS EXACTLY THE PROJECT.
ONE OF THE GOALS IS TO BETTER UNDERSTANDING THE FLOOD RISKS
AND THEIR CURRENT CONDITIONS.
SO THIS PROJECT PLANNING PHASE WAS COMPLETED IN 2023.
AND WE HAVE ENGAGED SIX CONSULTING FIRMS WITH APPLIED BEING
THE LEAD.
COUNCIL APPROVED AGREEMENTS SEPTEMBER LAST YEAR AND THE WORK
STARTED EARLY THIS YEAR.
WITH THAT, OVER TO APPLIED.
9:31:30AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I SAY SOMETHING QUICK TO SET THIS UP?
I MADE THE MOTION ON THIS, BUT THIS WAS A REQUEST FROM THE
COMMUNITY TO HAVE THIS SESSION HERE.
AND I WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR DOING THAT.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE COMMUNITY IN PARTICULAR ASKED
FOR THE CONSULTANT TO COME.
I THINK THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CANNOT NECESSARILY COMPEL THE
ADMINISTRATION TO BRING THE CONSULTANT AND ALSO THE CITY HAS
TO PAY THEM TO BE HERE.
BUT I WANT TO THANK THE ADMINISTRATION AND STAFF FOR
BRINGING THE CONSULTANT HERE TODAY BECAUSE THAT WAS A
SPECIFIC REQUEST OF THE COMMUNITY TO HEAR FROM STAFF AND THE
CONSULTANT.
SO I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
9:32:10AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
GOOD MORNING.
9:32:12AM >> ELIE ARAJ WITH APPLIED SCIENCES CONSULTING.
I AM THE PRESIDENT.
AS YOU MENTIONED, WE ARE ALSO THE LEAD CONSULTANT THAT'S
LEADING THIS EFFORT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.
WE DO HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT WE WOULD BE SHARING WITH YOU.
GREAT.
BRIEFLY, HERE IS THE AGENDA FOR THE PRESENTATION.
WE'LL GO THROUGH SOME QUICK INTRODUCTIONS, BACKGROUND
INFORMATION, CURRENT EFFORTS AND GOALS, SCHEDULES AND
MILESTONES, AND WE OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS AT THE END.
HERE IS OUR PRESENTATION TEAM THAT'S WITH US HERE TODAY.
AGAIN, I'M ELIE ARAJ, THE PRESIDENT OF APPLIED SCIENCES.
I'M A REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER.
CERTIFIED PROPERTY MANAGER AND BOARD CERTIFIED ENGINEER, AND
I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF FOUNDING APPLIED SCIENCES RIGHT
HERE IN TAMPA IN 2005.
WE'RE HEADQUARTERED RIGHT HERE IN DOWNTOWN.
WITH ME ALSO TODAY IS MARK HAMMOND, WHO IS ALSO A REGISTERED
PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER AND AN MBA.
MARK WORKED FOR 30 YEARS AT S.W.F.W.M.D., AND WE'VE HAD THE
PLEASURE TO WORK WITH HIM THROUGH THE YEARS.
HE LED THE FLOOD PROTECTION MANAGEMENT WATER SUPPLY AND
WATER QUALITY IMPROVEMENTS AND WETLAND WHEN HE WAS AT
S.W.F.W.M.D.
FINALLY WITH ME TODAY IS TAYLOR LANKFORD, WHO IS ALSO A
REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER WITH MANY YEARS OF
EXPERIENCE WORKING ON MASTER PLANS JUST LIKE THIS ONE FOR
S.W.F.W.M.D. AND OTHER CITIES.
WE WERE HONORED BY HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AS SMALL BUSINESS OF
THE YEAR.
AND WE WERE ALSO ON THE USF FAST 56.
GLAD TO BE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY ON THE PROJECT.
THIS MEANS AS MUCH TO US AS ANY OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE
CITY.
AS WE DIVE INTO THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROGRAM AND WHY WE
STARTED IT, WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS WHAT WE CALL THE LIFE
OF A STORMWATER PROJECT.
MOST OF THE PROJECTS, WHETHER IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, PINELLAS COUNTY, ANYWHERE ELSE, THEY
REALLY START BY ACTUALLY TRYING TO FIX A PROBLEM OF SORTS.
IT'S A FLOODING PROBLEM.
IT'S A COMPLAINT OF SORTS.
WE GO OUT AND INVESTIGATE THOSE PROBLEMS.
SOMETIMES THERE COULD BE SIMPLE MAINTENANCE ISSUE OR
SOMETHING CLOGGING IT, SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE QUICKLY
FIXED AND A LOT OF TIMES THAT'S WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING.
A LOT OF TIMES SOMETHING A LOT MORE COMPLEX LIKE A LACK OF A
DRAINAGE SYSTEM OR A SYSTEM UNDER CAPACITY, WHICH WE HAVE
SEEN A LOT OF THOSE LATELY.
ONCE THAT DECISION IS MADE, THERE'S USUALLY A POLICY
DECISION AND A BUDGET DECISION TO ADVANCE THAT AND TO STUDY
THE ISSUE AND SEE HOW CAN THIS REGIONAL SYSTEM BE IMPROVED.
WE DO THE MODELING FOR THE WHOLE DRAINAGE BASIN, WATERSHED,
WHATEVER THE DRAINAGE AREA MIGHT BE.
AND WE START TO COME UP WITH REGIONAL SOLUTIONS THAT WILL
END UP ADDRESSING AND ALLEVIATING SOME OF THOSE FLOODING
PROBLEMS.
AND FROM THESE MODELING EXERCISES AND THE STORMWATER MASTER
PLAN, YOU GET PROJECTS, AND THESE PROJECTS ADJUST WATER
QUANTITY AND WATER QUALITY ISSUES THAT THIS PROBLEM IS
TRYING TO FIX.
THEY GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF FEASIBILITY.
ARE THEY FEASIBLE?
CAN THEY GET DONE?
ARE THERE ANY RIGHT-OF-WAY ISSUES?
EASEMENT ISSUES?
DO WE NEED TO COORDINATE WITH TECO, WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD,
ANY OTHER ENTITIES OR EVEN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, OTHER
JURISDICTIONS TO MAKE SURE THEY GET DONE?
AND THAT'S ALL VETTED DURING THIS FEASIBILITY STUDY.
AND THIS IS WHEN WE GET EXACTLY WHAT THE DESIGN IS GOING TO
BE AND HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST.
WITH THAT, WE GO AND WE GET THE DESIGN AND THE PERMITTING
FOR THE PROJECT.
SOMETIMES THAT'S BUNDLED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION AS A
DESIGN-BUILD PROJECT LIKE SOME OF THE CITY HAS FOR SOME OF
THEIR STORMWATER PROJECTS.
SOMETIMES IT IS A DESIGN BID BUILD PROCESS.
IT DIDN'T ALWAYS BE THAT WAY.
IN THE PAST BEFORE PERMITTING AND OTHER REGULATIONS, IT USED
TO BE THAT YOU FIND A PROBLEM, YOU DIG A DITCH, IT'S DONE.
CORPS OF ENGINEERS, OTHER ENTITIES DID THAT THROUGH THE
YEARS AND THEN AS WE LEARNED ABOUT THE IMPACT ON WETLANDS
AND OTHER ECOSYSTEM ITEMS, WE LEARNED TO GO THROUGH MORE
SYSTEMATIC MANNER.
FINALLY ONCE THE CONSTRUCTION IS DONE, WE GO THROUGH
OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE AND IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
WHEN WE GET THESE THINGS BUILT, THAT WE ARE OPERATING THEM
PROPERLY AND MAINTAINING THEM PROPERLY FOR BEST PRACTICES
AND PERMIT REQUIREMENTS.
WHY?
BECAUSE IF WE DON'T DO THAT, WE'RE BACK ON THE PROBLEM SIDE
AND WE'LL HAVE TO START OVER AGAIN.
THIS IS WHY THIS IS KEEPING THAT IN MIND IS VERY IMPORTANT.
WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW AND THE PROGRAM THAT WE'RE
DISCUSSING IS THE CITYWIDE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS.
WE STARTED THIS PROCESS BY LOOKING AT ALL THE BASINS IN THE
CITY.
THE CITY HAS MORE OR LESS 46 BASINS OR 46 AREAS.
YOU'LL HEAR ME USE THOSE TERMS INTERCHANGEABLY.
WE LOOK AT WHAT WAS STUDIED, WHAT WASN'T STUDIED, WHAT
PROJECTS WERE BUILT THROUGH THE YEARS.
AS YOU MENTIONED, THERE WERE A LOT OF PROJECTS BUILT.
HENDERSON, UPPER PENINSULA, BIG PROJECTS DONE IN THE LAST
FIVE, SIX YEARS.
SMALL PROJECTS, 40th AVENUE, A LOT OF PROJECTS DONE
THROUGH THE YEARS.
WE TRIED TO GET A BIG PICTURE OF WHAT WAS DONE AND FIGURE
OUT THE PRIORITIES OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE NEXT.
SO THIS ONE IS A MAP OR A GRAPHIC SHOWING THE BASINS OR
DRAINAGE AREAS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY STUDIED IN THE CITY.
AND THESE CAN GO BACK TO MANY YEARS, LIKE THE CLEVELAND
STREET STUDY, FOR EXAMPLE.
THAT GOES BACK MANY YEARS.
IT WAS DONE, STUDIED, LOOKED AT.
AND SOME WERE MORE RECENT LIKE THE UPPER PENINSULA JUST
REFERENCED BEFORE.
AS WE WENT THROUGH THESE, WE ALSO LOOKED AT OR MARKED THE
MACDILL AIR FORCE BASE, TIA AND THE PORT AUTHORITY BECAUSE
THEY HAVE THEIR OWN JURISDICTION AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN
RESPONSIBILITIES AND BUDGETING.
IT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T COORDINATE WITH THEM.
IT'S JUST THAT THEY HAVE THEIR OWN RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE
CARE OF THEIR DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
AFTER WE WENT THROUGH THE PRIORITIZATION PROCESS OF THE ONES
THAT WERE NOT STUDIED, WE BEGAN THE STUDIES UNDERWAY RIGHT
NOW.
THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE IN GREEN RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE 11 OF THOSE ALREADY UNDERWAY.
AND THOSE CAME TO THE TOP BECAUSE OF EITHER FLOODING
PROBLEMS, CAME ON TOP BECAUSE OF PRIORITY OF COMPLAINTS.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF REASONS WHAT THE CITY STAFF WENT
THROUGH IN DOING THAT PRIORITIZATION.
NEXT IN LINE, AFTER WE FINISHED THE CURRENT STEP WE HAVE,
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE ONES THAT ARE SHOWN IN ORANGE OR
YELLOW RIGHT HERE.
AND THOSE WOULD BE, ONCE WE ARE DONE WITH THAT, WE WOULD
HAVE COMPLETED STUDYING ALL THE DRAINAGE AREAS THAT ARE IN
THE CITY.
HERE IS A QUICK EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, LOOKING
AT TERRAIN.
LOOKING AT EXISTING FLOODING PROBLEMS, DRAINAGE AREAS.
WHAT IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE ALREADY IN PLACE.
IN THIS CASE, THERE IS A BOX CULVERT THAT GOES OUT TO THE
BAY.
THIS SPECIFIC BASIN, FOR EXAMPLE, HAS HAD RECENT FLOODING
ISSUES, AND IT HAS NOT BEEN PREVIOUSLY STUDIED.
THIS IS ONE OF THE ONES WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IN THIS
FIRST BATCH THAT I JUST DISCUSSED.
WE'RE ALSO SETTING UP A DASHBOARD FOR THE ENTIRE EFFORT THAT
WILL SHOW WHICH BASINS ARE BEING STUDIED, THE SCHEDULES,
BUDGETS, AND ALL THE RELEVANT INFORMATION THAT EITHER
COUNCIL, THE PUBLIC OR ANYBODY MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN.
AND THAT WOULD BE PUBLISHED SOMETIME SOON FOR EVERYBODY TO
SEE AND HAVE FULL TRANSPARENCY OF THE PROCESS.
THIS IS A LIST OF THE CONSULTANTS THAT WE MENTIONED EARLIER
THAT ARE WORKING ON THIS.
TOTAL OF 6 CONSULTANTS, INCLUDING OURSELVES, THAT ARE
WORKING ON THESE VARIOUS BASINS WITH THE VARIOUS COMPLETION
DEADLINES AS YOU SEE.
WHAT WE'RE HOPING FOR, THAT FIRST BATCH OF THE MODELING TO
BE COMPLETED IS IN 2026, FEBRUARY 2026.
THIS IS AN OVERALL SCHEDULE THAT WE ALSO ARE LOOKING TO GET
IT IMPLEMENTED WHERE WE WOULD BE COMPLETING THE ENTIRE
PROGRAM WITH PROJECTS IDENTIFIED BY JUNE 2027.
THIS WHOLE PROGRAM WAS FUNDED.
RIGHT NOW THAT FUNDING WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
AND THAT IS ABOUT $5 MILLION.
SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS WE'RE
IDENTIFYING THE PROJECTS, WE CALL THE GREEN AND GRAY
PROJECTS, SOME OF THEM ARE THE CLASSICAL BOX CULVERTS AND
WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO ACTUALLY GET THE WATER FROM UPSTREAM
TO DOWNSTREAM.
BUT ALSO LOOKING AT SOME MORE INNOVATIVE TECHNOLOGIES AND
ITEMS THAT WE HAVE USED THROUGH THE YEARS THAT ARE MORE
SENSITIVE, LIKE GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE.
THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT IS COUNTERPART THAT WE DESIGNED IN
CITY OF PALMETTO.
WE HAVE THE FLEXI PAY, PERVIOUS PAVEMENT.
PERVIOUS PAVERS THAT YOU SEE ON THE SIDEWALK.
THAT'S ALSO PERVIOUS.
LESS RUNOFF.
LESS POLLUTION.
YOU CAN'T SEE THEM, BUT SOLAR PANELS ON THAT -- WE HAVE AN
AERATION DEVICE IN THE POND FOR BETTER OXYGENATION.
AND SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE STANDARD OF THE INDUSTRY TO
USE AS GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACTUALLY CONSIDER AS WE'RE
GOING THROUGH THIS.
WE ALSO ARE CONSIDERING AND WE MAY NEED TO CONSIDER SOME
MORE WHAT WE CALL ACTIVE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT WHERE GRAVITY
BY ITSELF IS NOT ENOUGH.
THE PICTURE IN THE MIDDLE IS FOR THE HOLIDAY PUMP STATION WE
DESIGNED FOR PASCO COUNTY.
THAT WAS THE ONLY WAY TO GET THE WATER OUT.
WE DON'T REALLY LIKE TO USE PUMP STATIONS BUT THEY ARE
EXPENSIVE, THEY ARE EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN, EXPENSIVE TO
BUILD, BUT SOMETIMES THAT'S THE ONLY SOLUTION THAT WE HAVE
IF WE NEED TO EFFICIENTLY ADDRESS A PROBLEM.
WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE LOOKING AT WHAT IS CALLED REAL-TIME
FLOOD FORECASTING.
AND THESE ARE TECHNOLOGIES THAT ARE BEING USED IN OTHER
AREAS AROUND THE STATE AND AROUND THE BAY AREA WHERE YOU
ACTUALLY ARE ABLE TO SEE A STORM COMING, GET THE IMPACT OF
WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO TO A CERTAIN PERIOD OR A CERTAIN
WATERSHED.
OPEN UP PONDS.
OPEN UP GATES TO ACTUALLY ALLOW THE WATER OUT AND THEN BE
ABLE TO MORE EFFECTIVELY CAPTURE THAT ADDITIONAL RUNOFF AS
THE STORM COMES.
THAT WAS USED SUCCESSFULLY IN MANATEE COUNTY DURING THE LAST
TWO HURRICANES THAT WE HAD.
AND THEY ACTUALLY PUT TOGETHER A SYSTEM USING SOME
TECHNOLOGIES.
THERE ARE SOME OFF-THE-SHELF SYSTEMS AND SYSTEMS THAT YOU
CAN ACTUALLY BUILD YOURSELF.
WE HELPED THEM WITH THAT STUDY AND WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING
WITH THEM RIGHT NOW TO GET THIS PERMITTED THROUGH
S.W.F.W.M.D. FOR AN OPERATIONAL PERMIT TO DEMONSTRATE
ALTHOUGH THEY ARE OPENING UP THE GATES AND OPERATING THEM,
STILL MEETING ALL THE CRITERIA AND THE MINIMUM PURPOSE OF
WHAT THAT POND WAS BUILT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
THIS IS SOME OF THE TECHNOLOGY WE'LL BE LOOKING AT AND
IMPLEMENTING AND LOOKING AT THOSE AS WE COME UP WITH
SOLUTIONS FOR THE CITY.
THE BONUS OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW ALSO IS THE
FACT THAT FOR THE COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM, OR CRS BENEFITS
THROUGH THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM, FIP, THE CITY
RIGHT NOW CURRENT STATUS IS FIVE.
WHICH WE'RE GETTING ABOUT 25% DISCOUNT ON ALL FLOOD
PREMIUMS.
AS WE ARE FINISHING UP, AS WE ARE PUTTING TOGETHER OUR
MASTER PLAN, WE'RE GOING TO BE PROBABLY AT 3.
JUMP FROM 4 AND BE AT 3, WHICH ALLOW 35% DISCOUNT AND 8.3
MILLION.
THE THRESHOLD THERE IS THE FACT THAT WE STUDIED 50% OR MORE
OF THE CITY, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING COME
FEBRUARY, ACTUALLY.
SO THE CITY IS GOING TO BE IN GREAT SHAPE TO ACTUALLY GET
SOME DISCOUNTS ON THE PREMIUMS AND TO BE PROUD TO GET THIS
LEVEL OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE NFIP AND PASS SOME OF THOSE
SAVINGS ON TO THE RESIDENTS.
WITH THAT, WE OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
9:44:56AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:44:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE LAST SLIDE?
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SAVINGS, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE
CITY.
DOES THAT MEAN CITY PROPERTIES OR DOES THAT MEAN RESIDENTS?
9:45:10AM >> RESIDENTS.
9:45:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE CLARIFIED THAT.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE CITY, $8.3 MILLION
IS GREAT, BUT FOR RESIDENTS AND HOMEOWNERS AND PROPERTY
OWNERS, THAT'S WONDERFUL.
THEN IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE INITIAL MAP OF THE
STORMWATER.
YES, THAT BASIN MAP.
SO I NOTICED PART WAY THROUGH, SO THIS WAS YOUR ORIGINAL
MAP, AND THERE'S 46 DRAINAGE BASINS.
I SAW THAT THERE IS A 47th NOW WHERE YOU DIVIDED 29 IN
HALF.
SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE DOING BASED ON STUDIES?
AS YOU LOOK AT AREAS, DO YOU SEE, OH, WELL, THESE ARE A
LITTLE DIFFERENT AND DIVIDE THEM OUT?
HOW DOES THAT WORK?
HOW DO YOU GET ANOTHER DRAINAGE BASIN?
9:46:03AM >> THIS IS A LIVING DOCUMENT, AND WE ARE ALWAYS COLLECTING
INFORMATION ON HOW TO ACTUALLY BETTER REPRESENT WHAT'S
HAPPENING.
SOMETIMES IT CAN BE AN ACTUAL EVENT.
SOMETIMES IT COULD BE A PRODUCT OF SURVEYING THAT WAS SENT
OUT AND WE HAVE A LOT OF SURVEYORS THAT WERE SENT OUT BY OUR
SIX CONSULTANTS TO ACTUALLY GET THAT INFORMATION.
AND ALSO IT COULD BE JUST PERMITS ON OTHER DATA THAT WE
RECEIVED THAT WOULD HELP US BETTER UNDERSTAND THE DRAINAGE
PATTERNS.
THE CITY OF TAMPA, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, IS ON THE FLAT SIDE
COMPARED TO OCALA, TALLAHASSEE OR OTHER AREAS.
ANY INFORMATION LIKE THAT WOULD HELP US MAKE BETTER
JUDGMENTS AND BETTER CALLS ON THE DRAINAGE.
9:46:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
AT THE VERY END OF THIS, WHAT PARTS OF THE CITY WILL NOT BE
LOOKED AT?
9:46:51AM >> THE GOAL IS BY THE END OF THIS IS TO LOOK AT ALL THE
PARCELS IN THE CITY EXCEPT THE THREE AREAS I MENTIONED,
MacDILL, THE PORT, AND TIA.
9:47:03AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED TOWARD THE END ANY CITY
THAT HAD 50%.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS STUDY WILL REVIEW 100% OF THE
DRAINAGE BASINS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:47:14AM >> CORRECT.
I CAN CLARIFY THAT.
I WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN THE POINTS REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CRS
SYSTEM.
ONE OF THOSE POINTS REQUIREMENTS IS FOR A CITY OR A COUNTY
OR AN ENTITY TO STUDY AND UPDATE 50% OR MORE OF THEIR
DRAINAGE AREA.
AND WE'RE GOING TO BE WAY BEYOND THAT.
UP ALMOST A HUNDRED PERCENT.
9:47:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT FOR THE PUBLIC.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING TO BE
LOOKED AT IN THIS PLAN.
9:47:47AM >> YES.
9:47:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AT THE END, WHEN THIS IS GETTING CLOSE TO
BEING COMPLETED AS A PLAN, DO WE HAVE IN THE CONTRACT FOR
YOU ALL TO PRESENT TO COMMUNITY GROUPS?
9:48:12AM >> I'M GOING TO ANSWER THAT IN TWO PARTS.
ONE, THERE IS A LOT OF PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT PROCESS THAT WE
TALKED ABOUT AT THE END.
WE HAVE NOT FINALIZED WHAT THOSE PLANS ARE AND MAYBE CITY
STAFF CAN MORE ADDRESS THAT NOW OR LATER.
9:48:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
9:48:31AM >> I DO WANT TO ADD THAT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IS A CRITICAL
COMPONENT OF THIS WHOLE PROCESS.
THE CITY IS CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF SENDING PUBLIC
NOTIFICATIONS SO PEOPLE WILL KNOW THE STATUS.
THEY ARE ALSO ENCOURAGED TO SHARE THE FLOODING
DOCUMENTATIONS AND OTHER EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORT AND VALIDATE
OUR STUDIES.
FLOOD PLAN, FLOOD RISKS IDENTIFIED, WE'LL HOST NEIGHBORHOOD
MEETING FOR EVERY SINGLE BASIN WE'RE STUDYING SO PEOPLE CAN
COME OVER AND LOOK AT THE -- SHARE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
THIS IS AN INTEGRAL PROCESS GETTING THE PUBLIC INVOLVED IN
THIS WHOLE PROCESS.
9:49:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WOW.
47 MEETINGS.
THAT'S AMAZING.
THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR.
INTERESTINGLY, ONE MORE QUESTION.
BOTH OF YOU TALKED ABOUT GETTING PUBLIC DATA.
WHERE CAN THE PUBLIC SHARE THAT DATA WITH YOU NOW?
IF THEY HAVE PHOTOS.
IF THEY HAVE ANY TYPES OF DOCUMENTATION ABOUT THE FLOODING
THEY RECEIVED IN EITHER THEIR HOUSE OR THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD,
WHERE CAN THEY SEND THAT?
9:49:57AM >> WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF ESTABLISHING A DASHBOARD AND
ALSO THE CITY WEBSITE SO THAT WE'LL SHARE WITH THE PUBLIC,
SENDING THE PUBLIC NOTIFICATION, THEY CAN UPLOAD PHOTOS OR
DOCUMENTATION TO THE WEBSITE.
9:50:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHEN DO YOU EXPECT TO HAVE THE WEBSITE
COMPLETE MORE OR LESS?
9:50:18AM >> I WOULD SAY EARLY SUMMER.
9:50:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GREAT.
WELL, WE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT.
WHEN IT'S READY, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF DURING ADMINISTRATIVE
UPDATE IF YOU COULD COME AND SHARE THAT INFORMATION AND THEN
THE WEBSITE SO THAT FOLKS AND MAYBE A QR CODE SO PEOPLE CAN
USE IT DIRECTLY FROM THERE.
I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT.
I THINK THAT IS A PERFECT USE OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE.
SO THAT WILL BE MY REQUEST TO YOU.
9:50:44AM >> YES, THE MOTION, THIS IS INITIAL WORKSHOP.
THE MOTION IS COME BACK EVERY QUARTER, IF I REMEMBER
CORRECTLY, SO THAT BY THE NEXT TIME WE MEET, WE PROBABLY
SHOULD BE ABLE TO SHARE THE INFORMATION.
9:50:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GREAT, GREAT.
I'M JUST SAYING IF IT HAPPENS TO HAPPEN, COME EARLIER, THE
EARLIER THE BETTER.
9:51:04AM >>VIK BHIDE:
ABSOLUTELY.
VIK BHIDE.
REAL QUICK, AND ELIE POINTED THIS OUT.
WE ALREADY RECEIVED, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, COMPLAINTS AND
CONCERNS.
THAT IS BEING PASSED ON TO OUR CONSULTANT TEAMS AS WELL, AS
KIND OF BASELINE INFORMATION.
BEYOND THE DASHBOARD THAT WE'LL SET UP AND THE PUBLIC
MEETINGS, WE ALREADY HAVE A BASELINE SET OF INFORMATION.
9:51:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DOES THAT BASELINE SET INCLUDE PEOPLE WHO
CALL IN WITH COMPLAINTS?
OR DOES IT JUST INCLUDE AREAS THAT STAFF HAS SEEN?
9:51:41AM >>VIK BHIDE:
IT DOES INCLUDE COMPLAINTS AS WELL.
IN FACT, THAT IS HOW THE FIRST KIND OF LEVEL OF THE PLANNING
EFFORT, I WANT TO SAY 10, 12 YEARS WAS DONE, WAS BASED ON
THOSE CONCERNS ABOUT FLOODING.
WE HAVE THE INFORMATION.
WE HAVE THE INFORMATION FROM THE LAST STORM SEASON, FOR
EXAMPLE.
BUT GIVEN THIS IS A PLANNING-LEVEL STUDY, THAT WILL BE THE
STARTING POINT.
9:52:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
WELL, THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW.
SO THE PUBLIC CAN HEAR.
MAKE A COMPLAINT, IT WILL BE ADDED TO THE SECTION.
I DO APPRECIATE THAT.
THANK YOU.
9:52:16AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU HAD YOUR LIGHT ON.
9:52:19AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR OPERATION
AND HOW WELL QUALIFIED YOUR TEAM IS.
OUT OF THE 46 IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, THERE'S 46 HUNDRED
THOUSAND SOMEWHERE ELSE.
WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS A PHENOMENON THAT FINALLY NATURE HAS
CAUGHT UP TO REALITY.
THE REALITY IS THAT WE MISREAD NATURE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
I'M NOT A SCIENTIST.
I DON'T HAVE THE DEGREES YOU GUYS HAVE, BUT THESE ARE THE
THINGS IF YOU LOOK AT TENNESSEE, KENTUCKY, DEVASTATING NOT
ONLY ONCE, TWICE, THREE TIMES, WHICH HAD NEVER HAPPENED
BEFORE.
I HOPE THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS
WOULD BE SOMETHING, NOT A STOPGAP, BUT SOMETHING FOR LONG
TERM TO SAY WE HAVE DONE SOMETHING.
HOWEVER I HAVE DOUBT.
THE DOUBT IS THAT BAY, YOU AND I CAN'T CONTROL.
NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, WATER DOES NOT FLOW NORTH.
IT FLOWS WHERE?
SOUTH.
WHAT'S AT THE BAY, THE OUTLET WHERE THE WATER GOES INTO.
THAT BAY IS COMING IN, INCOMING TIDE AND YOU HAVE THIS WATER
COMING OUT, THE COLLISION IS GOING TO BE NOT IN OUR FAVOR,
TRILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF GALLONS AND WE HAVE WATER GOING
OUT, OR SUPPOSED TO BE GOING OUT BUT IT'S GOING TO COME
BACK.
MY CONCERN IS TWOFOLD.
ONE, HOW WILL WE SOLVE THAT PROBLEM OR MINIMIZE IT?
SECONDLY, WE STILL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SOMETHING THAT'S GOT
TO BE TORN DOWN ONLY BECAUSE IT HAS FIVE FEET OF WATER
INSIDE, WHERE IF YOU LOOK AT THE ISLANDS AND YOU LOOK AT
PUERTO RICO -- YES, SIR.
9:54:00AM >>VIK BHIDE:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT I THINK YOU'RE MAKING A
REALLY GOOD POINT.
THIS IS KIND OF IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO RECOGNIZE.
IN FACT, ELIE BROUGHT THIS UP WHEN WE HAD A CONVERSATION
EARLIER THIS YEAR.
OUR STORMWATER ENTERPRISE SPEAKS TO STORMWATER, BOTH
ASSESSMENTS, IMPROVEMENT AND THE CAPITAL -- SORRY, CAPITAL
AND SERVICE ASSESSMENT.
APOLOGIES.
STORMWATER IS DEFINED AS WATER THAT IS COLLECTED BY RAIN.
YOU ARE ACCURATELY POINTING OUT RISKS TO OUR COASTLINE FROM
SURGE AND SALTWATER.
THAT IS NOT DEFINED IN OUR IMPROVEMENT OR SERVICE
ASSESSMENTS.
AND TREATMENTS FOR THOSE ARE NOT IDENTIFIED AS PART OF THIS
SYSTEM.
AND THAT DOES NEED TO BE LOOKED AT.
THERE ARE POLICIES HISTORICALLY BETWEEN THE AGENCIES, PORTS,
AND PRIVATE PROPERTIES.
AND SOME OF THOSE SOLUTIONS ARE EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY
INTENSIVE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SEAWALLS AND RAISING SEAWALLS AND THEN
ADDING PUMP STATIONS BEHIND IT.
BUT THAT DOES NEED TO BE CONSIDERED BECAUSE IN OUR
ENTERPRISE, BOTH SERVICE AS WELL AS IMPROVEMENT, STORMWATER
IS RAIN ONLY.
9:55:24AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
WHEN I SAY -- I SEE SOMEONE COMING UP TO THE MIKE THAT I
BELIEVE KNOWS MORE THAN ME, I STOP.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A
DISCUSSION LIKE WE'RE HAVING NOW, CERTAINLY IT'S VERY NICE
TO HAVE IT ON THE TABLE AND UNDERSTAND, BUT I'M JUST
CONCERNED THAT I CAN'T CONTROL NATURE.
SOMETHING THAT'S THREE TIMES THE SIZE OF WHAT HAPPENED TO US
BEFORE AND NATURE SAYS I'LL HAVE IT FOUR TIMES, IT WORKS UP
TO A POINT.
AND THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY, THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING, BUT
CAN WE SOLVE IT ALL?
IT'S HARD TO LIVE BY A COASTAL AREA.
IT'S HARD TO LIVE IN THE MOUNTAINS WHEN YOU HAVE A TORNADO
COMING AT YOU AND CAN'T MOVE AND CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
THESE ARE THINGS OF NATURE.
BUT WE HAVE CAUSED THAT PROBLEM, ALL OF US LIVING IN AMERICA
HAVE CAUSED THAT PROBLEM.
THANK YOU.
9:56:16AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:56:17AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
THANKS AGAIN.
JUST SOME KIND OF TECHNICAL QUESTIONS.
YOU SHOWED THE COLORED MAPS OF THE DEPTH OF THE WATER.
THOSE ARE VERY HELPFUL AS WE'VE GONE OUT IN THE FIELD TO
MEET WITH FOLKS.
I'M CURIOUS, HOW DO YOU MEASURE THE DEPTH?
DO YOU HAVE DEVICES IN PLACES THAT SHOW IS IT JUST MEASURING
RAINFALL?
BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY LIVES AT THE BOTTOM OF A BASIN, THE
WATER IS HITTING -- IF IT'S FOUR INCHES, THEY MIGHT HAVE 20
INCHES BECAUSE IT'S ALL POURING IN THERE.
HOW DO YOU MEASURE THAT?
9:56:51AM >> WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL LIDAR IN GIS, WHICH IS A LASER
DEVICE BASICALLY USED FOR SURVEYING AND ELEVATIONS OF THE
TERRAIN.
9:57:01AM >>BILL CARLSON:
DO YOU FLY OVER AFTER IT RAINED OR DO IT IN
GENERAL?
9:57:05AM >> THAT INFORMATION IS LED BY THE SOUTHWEST FLORIDA WATER
MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.
THEY FLY FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, PINELLAS COUNTY --
9:57:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE SECOND QUESTION RELATED TO THAT IS THE
FLOW OF WATER.
THERE ARE QUESTIONS -- I DON'T WANT TO MENTION SPECIFIC
NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHERE THE WATER IS
COMING FROM THAT'S POURING IN.
IF YOU LOOK AT A BOWL, YOU CAN FIGURE IT'S MAYBE COMING FROM
EVERYWHERE.
SOMETIMES THEY THINK IT'S COMING FROM SPECIFIC PLACES IF THE
TERRAIN IS CHANGED IN SOME WAY.
IS THERE ANY WAY TO MEASURE WHERE THE WATER IS COMING FROM?
9:57:37AM >> ABSOLUTELY, YEAH.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO.
WHEN WE SET UP OUR MODEL BASED ON THE TERRAIN, BASED ON THE
INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS IN PLACE, WE DO THE MODELING FOR
THAT.
THE FIRST STEP WE DO RIGHT AFTER DONE WITH MODELING IS WHAT
WE CALL CALIBRATION, WHICH IS TO FIGURE OUT, IS WHAT WAS
OBSERVED IN THE FIELD, FROM COMPLAINTS, FROM THE DATA COMING
IN FROM THE CITIZENS, DOES THAT MATCH WITH WHAT WE ARE
TRYING TO MODEL?
WE'RE LOOKING AT STAIN LINES.
WE'RE LOOKING AT PICTURES.
WE ASK AS MANY PICTURES, AS MUCH INFORMATION THAT COULD BE
SHARED FROM THE PUBLIC MAKES OUR TOOL A LOT MORE ACCURATE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE 100% ACCURATE, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE
VERY ACCURATE FOR THE PURPOSES OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO.
9:58:17AM >>BILL CARLSON:
LIKE IN ONE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE VIDEOS AND THE
REPORTS WERE THERE WAS A WATERFALL OF WATER COMING OVER THE
SELMON EXPRESSWAY.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT ALL THOSE VIDEOS AND PICTURES AND USING
THAT TO CALIBRATE?
9:58:33AM >> CORRECT.
9:58:34AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TO THE SAME POINT THAT CAME UP ABOUT SURGE,
VIK ANSWERED THE QUESTION THAT SURGE IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS
BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE TEXT WAS DEFINED.
THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, CULBREATH HEIGHTS, BAYSIDE
WEST, DAVIS ISLANDS, THAT WERE HIT WITH SURGE.
IS THERE A PROCESS THAT'S BEEN STARTED ON SURGE?
HOW DO WE START THAT SO WE CAN MEASURE THAT AND COME UP WITH
SOLUTIONS?
I'M SURE THE PEOPLE HIT BY SURGE ARE LOOKING FOR SOLUTIONS
AS WELL.
9:59:05AM >> RIGHT.
AS VIK MENTIONED, THAT'S NOT DIRECTLY A PORTION OF THIS
STUDY BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT RAINFALL, FRESHWATER.
BUT AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER AND AS YOU'RE ALLUDING TO, WE
HAD TWO HURRICANES.
WE HAD MILTON AND WE HAD HELENE.
HELENE WAS A STORM SURGE, SALTWATER FLOODING.
MILTON WAS FRESHWATER FLOODING.
TWO DIFFERENT STORMS, TWO DIFFERENT CAUSES.
9:59:29AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD JUST ASK MAYBE STAFF -- SORRY TO
MOVE FAST BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO CUT ME OFF AT FIVE
MINUTES, I WOULD JUST ASK STAFF, DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER IT
NOW, BUT MAYBE THINK ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO START THE
PROCESS TO LOOK AT SURGE AND WHICH DEPARTMENT WOULD DO IT
AND HOW WE WOULD GET THAT STARTED.
ONE PIECE OF FEEDBACK WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY IS THEY
BELIEVE THAT NEW DEVELOPMENTS HAVE CAUSED WATER TO FLOW IN
DIFFERENT WAYS.
IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU CAN MEASURE WHETHER THAT'S TRUE OR
NOT?
9:59:58AM >> SO THE TERM NEW DEVELOPMENT IS VERY GENERAL, RIGHT?
BUT WE CAN LOOK AT THE PERMITS THAT WERE ISSUED.
WE LOOK AT THE PIPES AND THE PONDS AND INLETS AND WE
INTEGRATE THEM INTO OUR MODELS.
ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SHORTLY --
10:00:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SIMPLE VERSION.
IF A NEW HOUSE COMES IN AND ELEVATE THE NEW HOUSE BY EIGHT
FEET AND THERE IS A HOUSE AT GROUND LEVEL, FOLKS HAVE
COMPLAINED THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT THE WATER IS FLOWING FROM
THE NEW HOUSE INTO THEIR HOUSE WHERE THEY DIDN'T BEFORE WHEN
IT WAS AT GROUND LEVEL.
YOU SAY YOU'RE ABLE TO MEASURE FOR THAT TOO.
10:00:30AM >> IN CASES LIKE THAT, SUPPOSEDLY THE WAY THE SYSTEM SHOULD
WORK IN OUR FLOW IS THAT PERMITS SHOULD NOT BE ISSUED FOR
HOUSES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY FLOOD NEIGHBORS, RIGHT?
SO WE LOOK AT THOSE PERMITS AND WE CAN VERIFY, YES, THEY
DEMONSTRATED THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO FLOOD THEIR
NEIGHBORS.
BUT IF WE SEE SOMETHING OFF WITH THAT, WE CAN DISCUSS IT
WITH THE PERMITTING AGENCY.
10:00:53AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ON YOUR LIST OF 46, SOME AREAS THAT WERE
AFFECTED AND BEEN OUT WITH SEVERAL STAFF MEMBERS, THANK YOU
FOR DOING THAT.
ONE IS THE COACHMAN AREA AND HELENE, JUST HALF A BLOCK,
COUPLE OF BLOCKS FROM BAYSHORE.
I DON'T SEE THAT ON THE 46.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WITH STAFF BECAUSE YOU ALL HAVE
BEEN OUT, JEFF HAS BEEN OUT.
COACHMAN, KNIGHTS, THERE ARE A FEW HOUSES, HARBORVIEW THERE
ARE A FEW HOUSES THAT WERE FLOODED.
I WOULD JUST ASK STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THE POCKETS THAT
WE'VE SEEN THAT ACTUALLY WERE DAMAGED ARE INCLUDED IN THE
46.
10:01:28AM >> YEAH, COACHMAN, HELENE IS PART OF THE LOWER PENINSULA
WATERSHED AND IS INCLUDED IN THE STUDY.
IT WILL BE UPDATED.
10:01:35AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHEN DID YOU SAY THE STUDY WOULD BE DONE?
10:01:38AM >> FEBRUARY 2026 IS THE MODEL COMPLETION.
10:01:40AM >>BILL CARLSON:
BIG QUESTION COMMUNITY IS ASKING FOR, ANY
CHANCE YOU ALL COULD THROW OUT SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS IN THE
MEANTIME SO WE CAN PROTECT PEOPLE IN THE CURRENT STORMS?
10:01:50AM >> THE MODEL COMPLETION IS 2026.
THE PROJECTS WILL BE IDENTIFIED I BELIEVE IN SEPTEMBER,
2026.
IN THE MEANTIME, IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC ISSUE REGARDING THE
PUMP STATION, I BELIEVE CITY STAFF IS ACTUALLY LOOKING AT
THAT.
10:02:06AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK PUMP STATIONS, WHAT I OBSERVED, PUMP
STATIONS ARE A SMALL PART OF THE ISSUE OF THE FLOODING AND
ALSO THE PUMP STATION ISSUES ARE DIFFERENT.
SOME AREAS THEY NEED GENERATORS.
SOME DID.
PUMPS WEREN'T STRONG ENOUGH.
IF YOU HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS.
PEOPLE HAVE REBUILT HOUSES AND DON'T WANT TO GET FLOODED
AGAIN.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND I ALONG WITH SEVERAL STAFF MEMBERS
AT THE COUNTY'S MEETING AT JAN PLATT LIBRARY.
JEFF DeBOSIER WERE THERE.
WE HAD A LOT OF ANGRY CONSTITUENTS AND WE WERE ABLE TO SEND
THEM OVER TO THEM.
THEY HANDLED IT VERY PROFESSIONALLY.
THANK YOU TO THEM FOR DISCUSSING THE DETAILS WITH
CONSTITUENTS ON IT.
BUT THE FEEDBACK THAT CONSTITUENTS HEARD WHEN THEY TALKED TO
THE COUNTY PEOPLE WAS THE COUNTY SAID THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY
ANSWERS ABOUT THE CITY BECAUSE THE CITY HAD NOT SHARED THE
CITY'S DATA WITH THEM.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO KNOWS THE STATUS OF THAT?
ARE WE SHARING THE DATA?
IF NOT, WHEN WILL WE SHARE THE DATA?
IF THE COUNTY IS DOING THE COUNTYWIDE STUDY AND RIGHT NOW
THEY ARE TELLING CONSTITUENTS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY
ANSWERS FOR THE CITY, SO WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THAT?
10:03:14AM >> THE CITY DID GET A REQUEST FROM THE COUNTY'S CONSULTANT
THAT WAS CONDUCTING THESE AND WE'RE SHARING DATA WITH THEM
AND VICE VERSA.
10:03:22AM >> YUAN LI, STORMWATER.
WE DID SHARE ALL THE AVAILABLE INFORMATION FROM THE CITY TO
THE COUNTY CONSULTANT BLACK & VEATCH.
CITY STAFF HAVE ATTENDED THREE OUT OF THE EIGHT PUBLIC
ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS.
THE TWO WERE IN DISTRICT NUMBER ONE.
MOSTLY COVERED SOUTH TAMPA.
AND ONE IN NORTH TAMPA AREA, FOREST HILLS AND UNIVERSITY
AREA.
WE HAVE SHARED AVAILABLE INFORMATION WITH THEM.
AND ALSO, WE HAVE COORDINATE WITH THE COUNTY REGARDING THE
FUTURE.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE NORTH TAMPA -- AND ALSO AT THE POND SYSTEM,
REALLY IS A JOINT SYSTEM BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE CITY.
WE HAVE TO BE IN A COORDINATING PATTERN IN WORKING WITH THE
COUNTY TO IDENTIFY FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS.
10:04:23AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
THE LAST THING, YOU MENTIONED 46 PUBLIC MEETINGS, YOU KNOW
THERE IS A DIFFERENCE, A LOT OF TIMES ENGINEERING FIRMS WILL
HOLD A CHARRETTE OR PUBLIC MEETING AND SEND OUT A NOTICE.
FIVE PEOPLE WILL SHOW UP.
WE SAY, WELL, WE GAVE THE PUBLIC A CHANCE.
AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, 30 PUBLIC MEETINGS ON THE PLAN
AMENDMENT THAT WILL BE PROPOSED TONIGHT.
AND WE'VE GOTTEN TWO, THREE HUNDRED CALLS OF ANGRY PEOPLE
SAYING THEY DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT IT.
AS YOU ALL ARE DOING THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, PLEASE MAKE SURE
YOU HAVE A PROFESSIONAL PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT CONSULTANT WHO
KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
IDEALLY YOU WOULD WORK THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD
ASSOCIATIONS.
THAN, THE UMBRELLA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION SHOULD BE AWARE
AND HELP.
BUT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS CAN HELP GET PEOPLE OUT.
WHAT WE NEED IN THE SHORT TERM IS TO ALLAY FEARS THAT THE
CITY IS DOING THINGS.
THE CITY IS WORKING ON IT, TRYING TO COME UP WITH SHORT-TERM
AND LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS, SYSTEMIC SOLUTIONS.
THE OTHER THING IS, WE DON'T WANT AT THE END FOR FOLKS TO
SAY, HEY, I HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT THIS.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO COME, THAT'S UP
TO THEM.
BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THEY ARE
INVITED AND INVITED TO GIVE INPUT.
THANK YOU.
10:05:29AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
THEN WE'LL FOLLOW THAT BY PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:05:33AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
I WANTED TO BUILD ON WHAT WAS SAID.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON TALKED ABOUT THE BLACK & VEATCH STUDY.
I HAVE HEARD THE SAME THING AS WELL IN TERMS OF THE CITY
WORKING WITH THEM.
I'M SURE THAT YOU GUYS 100% ARE WORKING WITH THEM,
ET CETERA.
IT'S JUST LIKE THIS STUDY IS SOMETHING THAT THIS REVIEW IS
SOMETHING THAT OUR CONSTITUENTS ARE REALLY, REALLY RELYING A
LOT UPON BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TELLING THEM FOR A LONG TIME
THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A STUDY THAT LOOKS AT WHAT HAPPENED
IN 2024.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS GIVEN BECAUSE GOD
FORBID, BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO BE FINISHED PRETTY FAST.
THEY ARE MOVING WITH VIGOR.
AND IF ANY PIECE OF INFORMATION IS MISSING, WE'LL HAVE TO
OPEN IT BACK UP AND MAKE SURE THEY GET THAT INFORMATION,
BECAUSE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO OUR CONSTITUENTS.
I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF NORTH TAMPA.
FOR THEM, THIS IS EVERYTHING.
THERE IS A LOT OF MULTIFACETED PARTS ON POST-STORM RECOVERY.
THAT INCLUDES FINDING OUT WHAT HAPPENED.
THAT INCLUDES HAVING A LONG-TERM PLAN, ASSISTANCE TO PEOPLE
THAT NEED IT AND SO FORTH.
TWO THINGS.
IN TERMS OF THE LONG-TERM PLAN, THE BIG THING WE TALK ABOUT
IN THE NORTH TAMPA AREA ARE THE PUMPS AND PUMP GENERATORS.
THERE ARE AREAS THAT HAVE LONG-TERM, MORE ROBUST
INFRASTRUCTURE PLANS.
FOR THE NORTH TAMPA AREA, WHETHER IT'S FOREST HILLS, WHETHER
IT'S UNIVERSITY AREA, WHETHER IT'S -- DISTRICT, DO YOU FEEL
SOME SORT OF LONG-TERM INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT OR PROJECT
WOULD BE NECESSARY, OR IS THE PROPER EQUIPPING OF THE PUMPS
SUFFICIENT AT THIS TIME?
10:07:13AM >> THIS IS JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION, AND I'M GOING TO
PREFACE BY SAYING IT IS A LITTLE BIT TOO EARLY FOR US TO
GIVE YOU THAT ANSWER RIGHT NOW.
BUT I ALSO WANT TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE, WE ARE GOING TO BE USING ANY AND EVERY INFORMATION
THAT'S GOING TO BE GENERATED BY THE STUDY THAT YOU MENTIONED
BEFORE WITH THE COUNTY'S CONSULTANT.
AND ALSO, I HAVE TO ALSO HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO REMIND PEOPLE
THAT WE CANNOT SOLVE FLOODING PROBLEMS FROM HURRICANES.
NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR THAT.
IT'S VERY HARD, TOUGH PILL TO SWALLOW, IT'S JUST NOT
POSSIBLE.
WE CAN HELP WITH IT.
WE CAN ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE FLOODING, WE CAN MAKE IT BETTER
BY EXPANDING SYSTEM, HAVING THE RIGHT INFRASTRUCTURE IN
PLACE, BUT WHEN WE'RE HIT WITH A DISASTER LIKE WE DID LAST
YEAR, ALL WE CAN DO IS MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL THE
SYSTEMS IN PLACE TO RECOVER QUICKLY AND GET PEOPLE BACK ON
THEIR LIVES.
10:08:10AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
ABSOLUTELY, WE CAN'T PROMISE TO OVERCOME NATURE AND
EVERYTHING.
BUT IN TERMS OF A LONG-TERM INFRASTRUCTURE NECESSITY, A
LARGER PROJECT IN NORTH TAMPA, I KNOW THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING
THAT BLACK & VEATCH, THEIR REVIEW, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS
MULTIFACETED THAT ALSO INCLUDES LONG-TERM FINDINGS IN TERMS
OF THE CITY AND COUNTY, THAT INCLUDES TEMPLE TERRACE, THAT
INCLUDES PLANT CITY, NEED TO DO TO PROPERLY INVEST IN THE
INFRASTRUCTURE SO WE CAN HAVE A VERY FRANK DISCUSSION WITH
TAXPAYERS.
LIKE YOU SAID, WE CAN'T PREVENT FOR EVERYTHING, BUT WE
SHOULD USE EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE IN OUR CAPABILITY TO
MITIGATE THE HARM OF HURRICANES, FLOODING AND SO FORTH TO
NEIGHBORHOODS.
NORTH TAMPA AREA IS UNIQUE.
I LIVE IN ZONE X.
PROBABLY NOT PROPER TO CALL IT ANYWHERE IS A FLOOD ZONE, BUT
ZONE X WHERE THE RISK OF FLOODING IS VERY, VERY MINIMAL,
BELOW MINIMAL, I'M GETTING FLOOD INSURANCE FOR THIS YEAR,
RIGHT?
JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT I SAW LAST YEAR.
I'VE NEVER HAD FLOOD INSURANCE.
I'M GETTING IT RIGHT NOW, IN FACT.
I'M GETTING IT FOR THIS YEAR.
GOOD QUESTIONS.
QUESTION, JUST FOR PURPOSES OF THE PUBLIC, I KNOW TO VERIFY
THAT NEW TAMPA, A LOT OF THEIR DRAINAGE BASINS ARE FUNDED
AND OPERATED BY THEIR CDDs OUT THERE, AND THAT'S SOMETHING
THAT WE, I LIVE OUT THERE, PAY FOR, WHICH IS WHY CERTAIN
TAXES FOR STORMWATER, 33647 IS NOT PAYING TO BECAUSE WE PAY
INTO OUR CDD, CORRECT?
10:09:44AM >> CORRECT.
10:09:45AM >>LUIS VIERA:
JUST FOR THE PUBLIC.
I DON'T WANT NEW TAMPA TO LOOK AT THAT AND GO WHAT'S UP.
THAT'S IMPORTANT.
THANK YOU, SIR.
10:09:51AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:09:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT MADE ME REMEMBER AN ARTICLE I READ
FROM 2017.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THE ATLANTIC OR THE WASHINGTON POST,
AS IRMA.
HURRICANE IRMA WAS APPROACHING FLORIDA.
IT SAID YOU CAN'T BEAT MOTHER NATURE.
TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT IN FLORIDA AS A WHOLE SAYING,
YOU KNOW, WE TAKE A NATURAL HABIT AND IT'S BUILD, BUILD,
BUILD.
THIS WEEK, MY WIFE TELLS ME THAT ALL I TALK ABOUT IS WORK.
LAST NIGHT I TOOK A BREAK AND I SAID WHY DON'T WE GO GET ICE
CREAM.
WE WENT DOWN TO BAY TO BAY TO AN ICE CREAM SHOP.
BUT I TOOK THAT OPPORTUNITY TO DRIVE THROUGH THE
NEIGHBORHOOD AND SPECIFICALLY DOWN A FEW STREETS.
I SAID LOOK AT ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT.
IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE -- LOOK AT THESE BEAUTIFUL HOUSES, BUT
LOOK AT THE VERY FEW RANCH-STYLE HOMES THERE FROM THE
1950s AND '60s.
NEXT TO THEM THEY HAVE THESE MASSIVE HOMES, MASSIVE HOMES.
BEAUTIFUL HOMES, BUT I GO, WHERE DOES THE WATER GO?
THEY USED TO HAVE FRONT YARDS AND BACKYARDS.
NOW IT'S BIG HOUSE NEXT TO BIG HOUSE.
IT'S NOT JUST YOU CAN'T BEAT MOTHER NATURE.
YOU SAID WE DO WHAT WE CAN WITH THE TECHNOLOGY TO COMBAT
THAT.
HURRICANE IS A CATASTROPHIC EVENT BUT HOW DO WE RECOVER AS
QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
THAT'S FINE.
TECHNOLOGY CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH.
AS WE THINK AS A COUNCIL FOR BUILDING AND DEVELOPMENT AND
DENSITY, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS COMING UP TONIGHT,
WHAT I SAW LAST NIGHT AND WHAT I SHOWED MY WIFE, IS PEOPLE
COMPLAIN, BUT ALSO LOOK AT THE -- WE ARE A VICTIM OF OUR OWN
SUCCESS.
YES, PEOPLE ARE COMING HERE AND BUILDING, BUT NEIGHBORHOODS
ARE BEING TRANSFORMED.
IN THAT, YOU ARE ELIMINATING THE PERVIOUS SURFACE, REPLACING
WITH BIG DRIVEWAYS, BIG HOMES, VERY SMALL BACKYARDS.
THE WATER HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, SPECIFICALLY THE SOUTHERN PENINSULA,
IT'S SURROUNDED BY WATER.
WHEN YOU HAVE STORM SURGE, AND WHEN YOU HAVE CATEGORY 5,
CATEGORY 4, THE WATER HAS GOT TO GO SOMEWHERE.
AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO YOU CAN'T BEAT MADAM CHAIR.
YOU CAN BUILD HIGH, CHANGE THE ELEVATION, THAT WATER WILL GO
AND AFFECT SOMEWHERE ELSE AND SOMEBODY ELSE THAT DIDN'T
FLOOD BEFORE.
IT'S VERY COMPLICATED.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF WHAT'S
COMING TO TAMPA AS MORE AND MORE PEOPLE MOVE HERE AND THAT
DENSITY INCREASES, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL AND KNOW AT THE END
OF THE DAY, THAT WATER IS GOING TO GO SOMEWHERE.
THAT HURRICANE, WHAT HAPPENED LAST OCTOBER SHOULD BE A
LESSON TO EVERYBODY BECAUSE IT WAS BACK TO BACK.
WHAT HAPPENED ON DAVIS ISLANDS, WHICH WAS UNDERWATER
COMPLETELY.
ONCE THE ROADS WERE OPEN, I WENT THERE TO DRIVE AROUND, AND
IT WAS LIKE AN ARMAGEDDON KIND OF SCENARIO.
IT WAS CATASTROPHIC.
PEOPLE LOOKED LIKE ZOMBIES BECAUSE THEY WERE PUTTING THEIR
LIVES ON THEIR FRONT LAWN.
WEST TAMPA ALONG THE RIVER WHERE THE MARTIN LUTHER KING
BRIDGE IS AT, HOUSES WERE DEVASTATED.
SAME THING.
THEIR LIFE IS -- I KNOW IT'S JUST MATERIAL THINGS, BUT AT
THE SAME TIME, IT'S A WAKE-UP CALL TO EVERYBODY AS WE MOVE
FORWARD AS A CITY AND AS A CITY COUNCIL, BE MINDFUL OF NEW
-- DEVELOPMENT IS GOOD.
BUT BE CAREFUL WITH IT BECAUSE LOOK AT THE PROBLEMS THAT
HAVE BEEN CREATED.
YOU TALK TO THE OLD-TIMERS, YOU TALK TO MY MOTHER WHO HAS
BEEN HERE SINCE 1961.
IT NEVER USED TO FLOOD THERE.
THERE ARE ALWAYS THE HOT SPOTS.
YEAH, ALWAYS IN FLOODING AS FAR AS I REMEMBER.
BUT AREAS THAT NEVER HAD -- IT'S NOT STORM SURGE, BUT IT'S A
SUMMER RAIN.
JULY, HEAVY RAINS, WHATEVER IT IS.
BUT THINGS ARE HAPPENING THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN BEFORE.
AGAIN, WE NEED TO BE VERY MINDFUL MOVING FORWARD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:13:38AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION TODAY.
APPLIED SCIENCES, WHAT CITY ARE YOU ALL OUT OF?
10:13:43AM >> WE WERE FOUNDED RIGHT HERE IN TAMPA, AND WE'RE BASED
DOWNTOWN TAMPA SINCE 2005.
10:13:49AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE HAVE SEVEN PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS
TOPIC OF STORMWATER MASTER PLAN.
STARTING WITH SANDY SANCHEZ, STEPHANIE POYNOR, VALERIE
BULLOCK, STEVE MICHELINI, YVONNE FERRELLI, PAM CANNELLA AND
FRAN TATE.
NO PROBLEM.
I WILL DELETE HER.
10:14:15AM >> GOOD MORNING.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
YOU KNOW, I HAD SOME QUESTIONS AND SOME COMMENTS AND
CONCERNS.
I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE DISTRICT NUMBER 47 ON THEIR
MAP BECAUSE IT WAS SOG AND NOG ALL LUMPED TOGETHER WHICH
WERE NOT THE SAME.
IF WE WERE THE SAME, WE WOULD BE IN THE SAME WATER DISTRICT
FOR THE CITY BECAUSE WE'RE DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS.
SO I'M WONDERING WHY, SOME OF THE PLACES THAT TOOK THE WORST
FLOODING ARE LUMPED INTO ALTOGETHER INSTEAD OF BEING TAKEN
AS THE DISTRICTS WHERE THEY WERE FLOODED.
AND THE STORMWATER MAP THAT I SEE FOR THE CITY HAS US BROKEN
DOWN INTO FOUR OR FIVE MAPS.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE NUMBER 47 IS BROKEN DOWN
APPROPRIATELY.
BECAUSE WE NEED TO HAVE MORE ATTENTION, NOT LESS.
LET'S SEE, SOG HAS BEEN REPORTING FOR YEARS AND NEVER, EVER
MANAGED TO GET STUFF ON THE STORMWATER ADVISORY LIST.
SO I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THOSE REPORTS ARE GETTING TO THESE
FOLKS.
IF THEY DON'T GET THEM, PLEASE REACH OUT.
I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET THEM,
BECAUSE WE REALLY, REALLY NEED THOSE TO BE PUT IN.
CARROLL ANN AND I HAVE WORKED FOR YEARS TO MAKE SURE THE
PEOPLE SOUTH OF GANDY WERE REPORTING FLOODING EVERY TIME IT
HAPPENED.
YET IT'S NOT ON THE STORMWATER ADVISORY LIST.
SURGE, I MEAN, SURGE IS CONNECTED TO RAINWATER.
YOU CAN'T GET A SURGE WITHOUT RAINWATER.
SORRY.
IT DOES HAPPEN.
DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A LOT.
I'M SO INTERESTED THAT THESE GUYS ARE OUT HERE FRONT LOADING
THIS STUDY BECAUSE WE'VE HAD THE COASTAL AREA ACTION PLAN
FOR OVER A YEAR NOW, AND IT STILL HASN'T GOTTEN HERE.
IT INCLUDES WAYS THAT THE CITY CAN WORK ON SOME OF THE
FLOODING, TO INCLUDE BUILDING ON PILLARS, WHICH I UNDERSTAND
MR. MICHELINI WOULD LIKE TO HAVE OPEN GARAGES.
OPEN PARKING FOR SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
I'M ALL FOR THAT IF WE'RE BUILDING ON PILLARS, BECAUSE IT
MEANS MORE PERMEABLE SURFACE AND LESS FLOODING.
FILL DIRT IS NOT GOOD.
FEMA SAYS IT'S NOT GOOD.
THAT COASTAL AREA ACTION PLAN ALSO INCLUDES THINGS THAT
HOMEOWNERS CAN DO TO HELP WITH THE FLOODING, TO MITIGATE THE
PROBLEM.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHEN THE CITY ACTUALLY GAVE THE DATA TO
THEM.
WHEN I WENT TO THAT MEETING, I WAS HOT AND HEAVY BECAUSE
THEY HAD NO DATA FOR THE CITY.
I TALKED TO MR. PHELPS WHO WAS IN CHARGE OF THE CITY, AND HE
SAID THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE IT YET.
HE ALSO -- THE HEAD OF STORMWATER FOR THE COUNTY ALSO TOLD
ME THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE -- THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THE
ABILITY TO MAKE THOSE LITTLE COLORED SPLOTCHES OUTSIDE -- I
HAD THE MAP.
I HAVE IT WITH ME.
BUT THEY HAD THE LITTLE SPLOTCH AREAS WHERE THEY HAD THE
SEVERE FLOODING DURING THE STORMS, BUT THEY SAID THAT THE
CITY DOESN'T HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF DOING THAT.
WHY DON'T WE HAVE THE CORRECT DATA?
WE HAVE AS MUCH FLOODING, MORE FLOODING THAN THE COUNTY
DOES.
THANK YOU.
10:17:18AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
MS. BULLOCK.
10:17:27AM >> ONCE AGAIN, VALERIE BULLOCK.
I THINK WE CAN WORK ON PREVENTIVE MEASUREMENT BECAUSE
HURRICANE SEASON IS COMING UP NOW.
I HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE PLANS FOR THE FUTURE AND EVERYTHING,
AND THIS STUDY HAVE BEEN GOING ON FOR TWO YEARS, AND WE
WON'T BE READY UNTIL LIKE '26 OR '27.
HURRICANE SEASON IS COMING UP I BELIEVE JUNE START HURRICANE
SEASON.
HAVE ANYBODY DID PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE?
HAVE ANYBODY WENT OUT TO THE DITCHES TO DREDGE THEM?
HAVE ANYBODY WENT TO THE PUMPS TO TRY THEM TO SEE IF THE
GENERATORS ARE WORKING?
SEE IF THE PUMP HAVE HAD MAINTENANCE DONE ON IT?
AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX.
MOST WASTEWATER PLANT AND DRINKING WATER PLANTS, YOU SEE
GROUND STORAGE TANKS.
THEY CAN HOLD UP TO ONE TO ONE AND A HALF MILLION GALLONS OF
WATER.
IF WE DON'T HAVE NOWHERE FOR THE STORMWATER TO GO, WHY NOT
INVEST IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE?
WE CAN GET A GROUNDWATER TANK.
LET IT GO THERE.
THANK YOU.
10:18:29AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU, MS. BULLOCK.
MR. MICHELINI.
10:18:38AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
I SENT YOU AN E-MAIL WITH A NUMBER OF POINTS.
THEY REFER TO ITEM 2, 3, AND 4.
BUT I'LL SEPARATE THEM OUT.
10:18:50AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
JUST FOR ITEM 2 TODAY.
10:18:52AM >> YES, UNDERSTAND.
THE STORMWATER MAINTENANCE, THE ISSUES ARE STORM SURGE AS
WELL AS FRESHWATER FLOODING.
I BELIEVE THAT THE CONSULTANT PREPARED A PLAN FOR DAVIS
ISLAND SHOWING BACKFLOW PREVENTERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT
ENTER THE RIVERS AND BAY.
THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.
ALSO CONSIDER USING PARKS AND RECREATION AREAS AS TEMPORARY
STORAGE RETENTION AREAS DURING SEASONAL STORMS AS WELL AS
CONSIDER REDEVELOPING RECREATION AREAS INCLUDING UNDERGROUND
RETENTION SO THAT YOU DIVERT THE WATER AWAY FROM THESE
NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE BUSINESSES AND YOU KEEP IT THERE AT
LEAST TEMPORARILY UNTIL IT OVERFLOWS INTO THE SYSTEM.
THE ISSUE REGARDING PALMA CEIA PINES AND PARKLAND WAS
OFF-SITE WATER GOING INTO THOSE AREAS THAT NEEDS TO BE
DIVERTED AND AT LEAST SOME ATTENTION TO HOW DOES IT GET TO
THE STORMWATER SYSTEM.
IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW.
IT GOES OVER THE CURBS.
IT FLOODED DOWN IN PARKLAND AND WENT FURTHER SOUTH.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT PUMPS AND THE NECESSITY FOR PUMPS.
GRAVITY SYSTEMS WON'T WORK IN STORM SURGE.
THEY SIMPLY DON'T.
I KNOW IT'S EXPENSIVE.
I KNOW IT'S AN ALTERNATIVE THAT THE CITY REALLY DOESN'T
LIKE, BUT PUMPS AND RETENTION AS WELL AS REDUNDANT PUMP
STATIONS WITH POWER AND POWER GENERATORS, WHEN POWER GOES
OUT ARE IMPORTANT ELEMENTS.
THE BACKFLOW PREVENTION SYSTEM IS NECESSARY AND ALL THE
RETROFITTING OF THE SYSTEMS THAT GO INTO THE BAY AND GO INTO
THE RIVER SHOULD BE LOOKED AT AND THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN
THEIR STUDY.
THIS STORMWATER OUTLETS HAVE GOT TO BE LOOKED AT INCLUDING
THE MAINTENANCE.
I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE OTHER AGENDA ITEM.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE THESE OTHER ALTERNATIVES AND THEIR
PLANS, INCLUDING THE MAINTENANCE OF THESE DITCHES THAT HAVE
NOT BEEN MAINTAINED OVER THE TIME.
I'LL RESERVE MY TIME.
THANK YOU.
10:21:13AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU, MR. MICHELINI.
NEXT IS MS. FERRELLI.
DID I SAY IT CORRECTLY?
10:21:26AM >> YES.
YVONNE FERRELLI ON BEHALF OF PARKLAND ESTATES CIVIC CLUB.
THANK YOU.
FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK MR. ARAJ FOR BEING HERE
TODAY.
APPLIED SCIENCE IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR OUR UNDERSTANDING.
SECONDLY, IT DOES CONCERN ME VERY MUCH THAT STORMWATER IS
RAIN ONLY AS MR. BHIDE SAID, THAT CAN'T BE.
IT IS ALL-ENCOMPASSING PHENOMENON THAT OUR COMMUNITIES ARE
SUFFERING FROM.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT PALMA CEIA PINES WATER DOES RUN
INTO PARKLAND ESTATES.
WE'VE KNOWN THAT FOR SOME TIME.
AND YET THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD MITIGATION PROJECT BACK IN
2024 AS IT WAS DEVELOPED ORIGINALLY, DID NOT ACCOMMODATE FOR
THAT WATER COMING FROM PALMA CEIA PINES TO KEEP OUT OF
PARKLAND ESTATES.
THAT PLAN WAS TO ALLOW THAT WATER TO DRAIN INTO PARKLAND
ESTATES AND TAKE CARE OF IT WITHIN PARKLAND ESTATES.
AND THAT'S WRONG.
I WOULD LIKE APPLIED SCIENCE AND THE CITY TO REEVALUATE AND
KEEP THAT STORMWATER OUT OF PARKLAND ESTATES.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO HAVE A CONSIDERATION FOR THIS PROJECT TO
REMAIN OUT OF PARKLAND ESTATES.
10 BY 12 PROPOSED BOX CULVERTS ARE TOO LARGE FOR OUR
COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU.
10:23:01AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MS. CANNELLA IS THE NEXT SPEAKER FOLLOWED
BY MS. TATE.
PAM CANNELLA.
YES, MA'AM.
10:23:23AM >> I HAVE PICTURES.
I WANT YOU TO KNOW I'VE DONE MY OWN RESEARCH AND EVALUATION.
IT'S ALL DONE BY WALKING THE STREETS.
THE WHOLE AREA, EVEN IN THE RAIN.
I'M TOLD THAT THERE'S NO MONEY FOR MAINTENANCE, BUT I HEAR
TALK TODAY ABOUT ALL THESE CITY PROJECTS AND THEY COST A LOT
MORE.
I HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT SURGE.
WELL, WATER TRAVELS TO THE LOWEST POINT.
SO IF YOUR STORMWATER DRAINS AND DITCHES ARE ALREADY FILLED
WITH WATER AND ALL THE PIPES, THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THE WATER
TO GO EXCEPT DOWN THE ROAD AND INTO THE HOUSES.
BEFORE THAT SURGE, YOU CAN SEE IT COMING UP, THAT DITCH WAS
ALREADY FILLED WITH WATER, AND THEIR WHOLE SYSTEM WAS
ALREADY FILLED WITH WATER.
I'M ALONE TODAY WITH ALL THE PICTURES.
I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SHOW THEM ALL.
THOSE ARE PUMPS.
ALONG THE EXPRESSWAY -- EXCUSE ME, LET ME START OVER.
THE CITY OF TAMPA'S EXISTING STORMWATER DRAINAGE SYSTEM IS
EXTENSIVE, COVERING ALL AREAS OF TAMPA.
DUE TO NEGLECT, THE SYSTEM HAS NOT BEEN PROPERLY MAINTAINED.
OUR WHOLE SYSTEM NEEDS CLEANING, FIRST OF ALL.
TRUST ME, YOUR NEIGHBOR, THE NEIGHBORS, ALL THE RESIDENTS
WILL BE HAPPY TO SEE THOSE STORMWATER MAINTENANCE CREWS OUT
THERE CLEANING THEIR DITCHES.
ALONG THE EXPRESSWAY FROM PLATT TO WATROUS, HIDING UNDER
TREES, BUSHES, TRASH, AND JUNK ARE STORMWATER OPEN DITCHES.
CULVERTS, STORM DRAINS.
BUT THEY HAVE BEEN SO NEGLECTED FOR SO LONG NOBODY CAN SEE
THEM.
I'M JUST GOING TO SHOW YOU THE PICTURES.
HERE IS A STORM DRAIN.
YOU CAN SEE THE GRATE JUST BARELY.
CULVERT.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT GOES, BUT IT'S THERE.
ANYWAY THERE'S MORE, PLENTY MORE.
ALL THE PICTURES SHOWING THEY ARE HIDDEN UNDERNEATH HERE.
I DID DO A STUDY ON THE STORMWATER FLOW DOWN AUDUBON TO
SWANN BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE WHERE THE WATER COLLECTS.
I HAVE PICTURES OF THAT.
HERE IS THE RETENTION POND ON HORATIO.
FULL OF DEBRIS.
AND THAT ALL GOES INTO THE PIPES.
AND THE WATER CANNOT FLOW DOWN.
10:26:33AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU, MS. CANNELLA.
YOU CAN SEND THOSE PICTURES TO US LIKE YOU HAVE IN THE PAST
BY E-MAIL.
WE APPRECIATE IT.
GOOD MORNING, MS. TATE.
10:26:47AM >> YOU WANT ME TO HAND THEM AS THEY ARE?
10:26:49AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
FOR THE RECORD, WE WILL ACCEPT THEM AND
PUT THEM TOGETHER FOR YOU.
IS MS. SANCHEZ RETURNING?
IF NOT, MS. TATE WILL BE THE LAST SPEAKER FOR ITEM 2.
10:27:08AM >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIR PRO TEM AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I WANT TO THANK THE STORMWATER CONSULTANT FOR TODAY'S
PRESENTATION.
I JUST ONLY WISH EAST TAMPA CRA COULD RECEIVE CONSULTANT
PRESENTATIONS WHEN WE GET DEVELOPMENT OR PROJECTS IN OUR
AREA.
WE NORMALLY GET THE CITY PRESENTERS, BUT WE WOULD LOVE TO
HAVE JUST THE CONSULTANTS WHEN WE RECEIVE OUR PROJECTS AND
OUR REDEVELOPMENT.
TO ALL OF YOU, I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL OF YOUR
SUGGESTIONS TODAY TO THE STORMWATER CONSULTING TEAM.
TO MR. BHIDE AND THE MOBILITY TEAM, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH
FOR ALL OF THE REPAIRS IN THE JACKSON HEIGHTS AREA, ALL UP
AND DOWN 34th, ALL UP AND DOWN, JUST ALL OVER, BECAUSE WE
TOOK ON WATER AND WE DIDN'T -- I WANT TO THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THEY WORKED VERY DILIGENTLY AND VERY HARD ON ALL THOSE
REPAIRS.
THEY EVEN REPAIRED THOSE TWO RAILROAD TRACKS.
10:28:14AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MS. TATE, CAN YOU PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE
MICROPHONE FOR THE RECORD?
10:28:18AM >> SORRY.
THEY EVEN REPAIRED THE TWO RAILROAD TRACKS THAT YOU GO
ACROSS ON 34th STREET AND SAY, OH, LORD, I HAVE $350 TIRES
ON MY CAR, GOING TO BUST ONE GOING OVER THE TRACKS, THEY
EVEN SMOOTHED THOSE OUT.
MR. BHIDE AND YOUR TEAM, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AS THE AWESOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS SITTING RIGHT BEHIND ME
ALWAYS SAYS, THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING.
JACKSON HEIGHTS IS HOLDING ITS BREATH FOR THE NEXT STORM TO
SEE HOW WELL ALL OF THE REPAIRS HOLD UP.
BUT WE'RE APPRECIATIVE FOR WHAT WAS DONE IN OUR AREA.
THANK YOU.
10:29:02AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YOU'RE WELCOME.
WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 3.
MAINTENANCE PERFORMED ON OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM.
OUR CONSULTANTS ARE LEAVING.
THANK YOU FOR COMING.
10:29:23AM >>VIK BHIDE:
VIK BHIDE, MOBILITY, HERE FOR ITEM 3.
ITEM NUMBER 3 WAS RELATED TO THE UPDATE ON MAINTENANCE.
TYPICALLY, THESE WERE PER THE ORIGINAL MOTION PRESENTATION
THAT WERE TO BE MADE EARLY IN THE MONTH.
THIS WAS PUSHED TO MAY 22.
I'M GOING TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE WORK DONE IN APRIL,
WHAT WE ANTICIPATED DOING IN MAY, AND AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE
ARE AT WITH WHAT WE SAID WE WOULD DO IN MAY AS WELL.
THE APRIL REPORT IS ALREADY ON OUR WEBSITE,
TAMPA.GOV/MOBILITY, IF YOU SCROLL ALL THE WAY DOWN, PAVING
AND STORMWATER REPORTS.
AND THEN I WILL SPEAK TO THE BALANCE.
BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME UPDATES, I'LL SHARE THIS FOR THE
RECORD.
AGAIN, THIS REPORT IS ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
IN APRIL -- IS THAT STILL VISIBLE?
10:30:39AM >> YES.
10:30:39AM >>VIK BHIDE:
GREAT.
IN APRIL, WE HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF WORK THAT WAS DONE, OVER
250 CALLS FOR SERVICE, AND YOU SEE ALL OF THE NUMBERS IN
TERMS --
10:30:58AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
CAN WE GET ONE MORE COPY?
10:31:00AM >>VIK BHIDE:
YES.
ABSOLUTELY.
IN APRIL, THERE WAS A WHOLE LOT OF WORK DONE BY OUR TEAM.
WE ARE WORKING SIX DAYS A WEEK, AND THIS IS A LIST OF ALL OF
THE CALLS.
THE CALLS FOR SERVICE IN APRIL TOTALED 185.
THIS WOULD BE REFLECTED IN THE PREVIOUS MONTH'S REPORT.
WE SAID HERE ARE THE NEIGHBORHOODS WE WOULD WORK IN.
MacFARLANE PARK, UNIVERSITY SQUARE AND OTHERS.
AND THEN THE WORK ACCOMPLISHMENTS ARE LISTED HERE AS WELL.
SO WE'VE CLEANED OVER 2,000 LINEAR FEET OF DITCHES, GRADED
THEM, RATHER.
ALSO A DITCH GRADING CONTRACT.
PRE-CON FOR IT ALREADY AND WE'LL HAVE THE SELECTION FOR IT
COMING UP IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.
THAT IS THE HALF A MILLION DOLLARS THAT COUNCIL MADE
AVAILABLE SPECIFICALLY FOR DITCH GRADING.
WE APPRECIATE THAT.
THEN WORK ON PONDS, OVER 140 PONDS MOWED.
160 PONDS SPRAYED.
THIS IS AN HERBICIDE TO MANAGE VEGETATION, AND WE ALSO USE
FISH TO MANAGE VEGETATION IN THE PONDS, ALGAE MAY BE ABLE.
CLEANED OVER 37,000 -- ALMOST 38,000 LINEAR FEET OF PIPES.
32 TONS OF DEBRIS REMOVED.
428 STRUCTURES, AND 20 OUTFALLS HAVE BEEN INSPECTED.
WE CONTINUE TO DO WORK ON OUR PUMP STATIONS.
WE ARE READY.
WE HAVE VISITED EVERY PUMP STATION, TESTED THE SYSTEMS OUT
THERE, MADE SURE THEY ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEW TEMPORARY
GENERATORS THAT WE WILL BE PLACING.
24 HOURS BEFORE A STORM, THOSE GENERATORS ARE CURRENTLY HELD
IN SUNBELT'S YARD AND THEY ARE LABELED BY EACH PUMP STATION.
THIS IS FOR ALL BUT THE THREE WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE
GENERATORS.
WE HAVE AN ELECTRONIC FIRM ON BOARD, ICON, AND WE'VE GONE,
AGAIN, TO EVERY PUMP STATION AND TESTED ALL OF THE
ELECTRONICS OUT THERE AS WELL.
WE HAVE AN SOP WHERE AFTER THE GENERATOR IS INSTALLED, 24
HOURS BEFORE A STORM, IT WILL BE SWITCHED TO GENERATOR POWER
AND POST-STORM, WE HAVE A FUELING PLAN FOR THE SAME AS WELL.
I'D LIKE TO GIVE A SHOUT-OUT TO LAMB AND ADRI AND THEIR
TEAM, THEY HELPED WITH THIS BECAUSE THE GENERATOR CONTRACTS
COME THROUGH THEM.
THIS IS A TEAM EFFORT ACROSS THE BOARD.
THE ELECTRONIC CONSULTANT IS WASTEWATER CONSULTANT, SO WE
WERE ABLE TO USE THEIR CONTRACT IN THE INTERIM, BUT NOW WE
HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THEM DIRECTLY.
ALL RIGHT.
MOVING ON, MAY WORK LOCATIONS.
I'LL GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT AS
WELL.
IT'S IN THE PACKETS AS WELL.
WE PLANNED IN APRIL OR AT THE END OF APRIL TO GO TO NORTH
BON AIR, NORTH HYDE PARK, BAYSHORE GARDENS AND SOME OF THE
NEIGHBORHOODS LISTED OUT HERE AND TO COMPLETE THE MONTHLY
PUMP STATION INSPECTIONS AS WELL.
THOSE ARE COMPLETED.
CALLS FOR SERVICE, AGAIN, 813-274-3101.
THIS REPORT IS ALSO AVAILABLE ON TAMPA.GOV/MOBILITY AT THE
VERY BOTTOM IF YOU SCROLL DONE.
FOR THE WORK I JUST DESCRIBED, SOME BEFORE/AFTER PICTURES.
AGAIN, INLET CLEANING BEFORE AND AFTER.
UNIVERSITY SQUARE, UNIVERSITY AREA.
SAME AREA AGAIN, BEFORE-AND-AFTER PICTURES.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON CAVE-IN REPAIRS.
WE ALREADY ISSUED AN EMERGENCY AFFIDAVIT TO COMMENCE TO DO
ABOUT A HUNDRED OF THESE CAVE-INS.
THESE ARE THE LARGER CAVE-INS.
WE ALREADY WORKED ON OVER 160 CAVE-INS SINCE OCTOBER, AND WE
CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH THAT LIST.
BY THE END OF JULY, WE'LL BE SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETED, BUT
THESE ARE JUST PICTURES OF CAVE-IN REPAIRS.
THERE ARE SOME GOOD VIDEOS ON THESE AS WELL THAT WERE
REPORTED RECENTLY.
AGAIN, DURING AND AFTER THE CAVE-IN REPAIR ITSELF.
SOME OF THESE CAN BE VERY DEEP.
THIS ONE IS NOT AS DEEP, COMPARATIVELY SPEAKING.
CAN GO AS DEEP AS 12 FEET.
INLET TOP REPAIRS, A LOT OF INLETS, IF THE AREA AROUND THEM
GETS VERY SATURATED, IT MAY COLLAPSE AFTER MAJOR STORMS, AND
WE'VE SEEN THAT CERTAINLY.
SO WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF INLET REPAIRS AS WELL.
AND THAT'S ALSO IN THE LIST OF THE WORK COMPLETED IN THE
REPORT DURING AND AFTER.
POND MAINTENANCE, THIS IS 109th AVENUE, FOREST HILLS, AND
THESE ARE JUST OUTLET PIPES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AT THE
POND.
SO BEFORE, DURING, CLEARING OUT ALL THE DIRT IN THE AREA AND
THEN REPAIRING THE CONCRETE PORTION THERE.
AFTER.
DITCH GRADING, THIS IS AT SWANN CIRCLE.
THIS IS BEFORE.
AGAIN, WITH DITCHES, ESTABLISH FLOW LINES, ENSURE THE DEPTH
SO THAT CAPACITY, BOTH FLOW AND CAPACITY AND THEN CONSIDER
THE EDGES OF THE DITCHES.
AND THAT'S AFTER.
SO WORK COMPLETED TO DATE IN MAY, THIS IS A LIST OF
NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE'VE NOT GONE TO ALL OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE SAID WE
WOULD, BUT WE STILL HAVE A FEW DAYS IN THE MONTH LEFT, SO
WE'RE WORKING THROUGH ALL OF IT.
BUT OVER 63 FALLEN TREES REMOVED FROM STORMWATER PONDS AND
DITCHES.
REPAIRED 205 FEET OF FENCE.
WE'VE BEEN INSTALLING NEW CAMERAS AND THEN INSPECTING
EXISTING CAMERAS AT THE DIFFERENT PUMP STATIONS.
WE SAID WE'D DO THAT SO WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE PUMP
STATIONS.
OVER 28 TONS OF DEBRIS REMOVED FROM PIPES AND INLETS.
200 STRUCTURES INSPECTED AND MAINTAINED.
AND ABOUT 18,000 MILES OF PIPE INSPECTED AND MAINTAINED AND
THEN SEVEN OUTFALLS AS WELL.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE DONE MORE DITCH GRADING.
3,000 FEET OF DITCH GRADED.
274 TONS OR 75 ALMOST TONS OF DEBRIS REMOVED FROM DITCHES.
SO THAT IS A LOT OF MATERIAL AND A LOT OF STREET SWEEPING
AND THEN ADDITIONAL DEBRIS COLLECTION FROM THE STREET
SWEEPING AS WELL.
20 INLET TOPS REPAIRED JUST TO DATE IN MAY.
THIS PRODUCTION WILL INCREASE IN JUNE AND JULY PRIMARILY
BECAUSE OF THE TWO EMERGENCY AFFIDAVITS.
SO THE FIRST ONE, AS I MENTIONED WAS REPAIRS.
THE OTHER IS A MILLION DOLLARS FOR CLEANING OUT PIPES,
JET-LINING PIPES AND INSPECTING THEM, TV INSPECTIONS.
GETTING VIDEO EVIDENCE OF OUTFALLS AND PIPES BEING
FUNCTIONAL TO THEIR CURRENT CAPACITIES.
SO THIS, AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO REITERATE IS A BROAD EFFORT.
WE'VE ADDED OVER 2 MILLION, ALMOST $3 MILLION THANKS TO
COUNCIL MAKING THE HALF A MILLION AVAILABLE IN RESOURCES.
MUCH OF THIS IS RESPONSE RELATED, SO WILL BE SUBMITTED FOR
FEMA REIMBURSEMENT.
THERE'S NO GUARANTEE, OF COURSE.
BUT WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR REVENUE AND FINANCE TEAM AS WELL,
MIKE AND DENNIS HAVE BEEN VERY COOPERATIVE.
FOR EXAMPLE, AT SOME POINT EARLIER THIS MONTH, WE WERE
REACHING THE LIMIT OF OUR OPERATING BUDGET WITH STORMWATER
MAINTENANCE AND BASICALLY WE WORKED WITH REVENUE AND FINANCE
AND ASKED THEM THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE FUNDS.
SO INITIALLY THEY INSTRUCTED US JUST TO SPEND IT COMPLETELY,
SPEND DOWN OUR BUDGET AND MAKE ADDITIONAL FUNDS AVAILABLE
AND THEY HAVE DONE SO.
SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH OUR FOLKS AS WELL TO ADDRESS AS
MUCH OF OUR MAINTENANCE AS WE CAN.
WE'LL BE READY FOR STORM SEASON AND WE WILL HAVE ADDRESSED A
MAJORITY OF THE ISSUES FROM THE PREVIOUS STORMS.
10:40:34AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
10:40:36AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
10:40:38AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
I'M SORRY.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S MOTION, SO LET'S LET HER GO FIRST.
I APOLOGIZE.
THEN GUIDO MANISCALCO AND THEN YOU.
10:40:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU FOR THIS REPORT.
I'M HOPING -- YOU KNOW, WE GAVE YOU THE HALF MILLION
INITIALLY BUT WE ALSO GAVE YOU 3 MILLION MORE.
HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE GOING -- I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHERE
YOU ARE PLANNING ON USING THAT MONEY.
DO YOU HAVE AN OUTLINE FOR THAT JUST YET?
10:41:12AM >>VIK BHIDE:
I WAS GOING TO ADDRESS THAT AS PART OF ITEM 4.
10:41:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NEVER MIND.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT THEN.
I APPRECIATE YOU KEEPING ON TOPIC BECAUSE WE'RE DOING ALL
DIFFERENT THINGS.
THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THE CALLS FOR SERVICE, IT LOOKS
LIKE, LOOKING AT THE FIRST SHEET, THE CALLS FOR SERVICE HAVE
INCREASED, WHICH WE WOULD EXPECT BECAUSE OF ALL THE DAMAGE.
HOW IS THAT IMPACTING REGULAR MAINTENANCE?
THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC AND FROM STAFF THAT
CALLS FOR SERVICE ARE PULLING THEM AWAY FROM REGULAR
MAINTENANCE.
HOW ARE WE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT?
10:41:48AM >>VIK BHIDE:
REALISTICALLY, THERE ISN'T AN IMPACT OTHER THAN
MORE INSPECTION AND MORE WORK THAT WE HAVE TO DO.
WHETHER IT IS RESPONSE TO A STORM AND MAINTENANCE RELATED TO
THAT, OR, QUOTE, UNQUOTE, REGULAR MAINTENANCE, IT'S ALL
MAINTENANCE.
WE IDENTIFY THE AREA WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO AND DO THAT
MAINTENANCE, AND COMPREHENSIVELY DO AS MUCH AS WE CAN WITH
THE EQUIPMENT THAT IS AVAILABLE AND ALLOWED.
NOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE SPIDER AVAILABLE FOR A
WHILE, AND MS. CANNELLA RIGHTLY POINTED OUT THAT SOME OF THE
WORK IN THAT PALMIRA DITCH HAS NOT BEEN DONE.
THAT WILL BE DONE.
I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HER EARLIER THIS MEETING AND
IT WILL BE WEEKS AND NOT MONTHS, BUT WE DO HAVE THIS
COMMITMENT THAT WE MAKE ON THE MONTHLY BASIS TO COUNCIL AND
THE COMMUNITY.
SO WE HAVE TO HIT THAT AS WELL AND ALSO THE PALMIRA DITCH IS
VERY IMPORTANT.
IT REALLY GOES THROUGH A VERY CONSTRAINED PORTION IN A VERY
DENSE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WE WILL GET THERE.
WE WILL GET THERE BEFORE MAJOR STORMS OR ANY SUCH THING.
IT'S GOING TO BE WEEKS.
I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT DATE RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT IS ONE OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S IMPORTANT TO REPLACE
AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT.
10:43:10AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
I DO WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE EQUIPMENT NEXT.
AS FAR AS THE PUMP STATIONS, I APPRECIATE YOU MENTIONING
THAT THE PUMP STATION THAT STAFF HAS ALREADY GONE THROUGH,
LOOKED AT THEM, TESTED THEM, BUT I THINK WHAT PEOPLE ARE
ALSO GOING TO WANT TO KNOW AND I'M GLAD YOU HAVE A STANDARD
OPERATING PROCEDURE FOR GETTING THOSE GENERATORS OUT AND
THAT WE ALREADY HAVE SPECIFIC GENERATORS, SPECIFIC PUMPS.
BUT WILL YOU BE GOING OUT AND TESTING THAT DURING THE SEASON
AS STORMS COME?
10:43:45AM >>VIK BHIDE:
YES.
MONTHLY PUMP STATION INSPECTIONS ARE SCHEDULED.
THAT WAS ALSO THE UPDATE.
IT USED TO BE QUARTERLY.
AND THEN I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT WE DO HAVE ADDITIONAL STAFF
WILL THAT WILL HUNKER DOWN AS PART OF THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE
CENTER, ERC 3, THAT ARE DEDICATED TO PUMP STATIONS.
IN FY '27 BUDGET, YOU'LL ALSO SEE WE REQUESTED POSITIONS TO
BEEF UP OUR PUMP STATION TEAM AND ADD TWO MORE PUMP STATION
RELATED EMPLOYEES AND ONE BRIDGE OPERATIONS SPECIALIST.
10:44:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GREAT.
THE THING I'VE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC IS THE APRIL WORK
LOCATIONS AND DESCRIPTIONS JUST HAS THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW WHAT TYPE OF WORK IS BEING DONE IN
EACH SPACE, AND THAT IS WHERE I THINK THERE HAS BEEN A
LITTLE BIT OF DISCONNECT.
SO I KNOW -- SO WHAT CAN YOU SAY, HOW CAN YOU MAKE IT MORE
SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT AREAS YOU'RE WORKING ON IN THESE
NEIGHBORHOODS?
BECAUSE GENERALLY THE NEIGHBORS ARE THE ONES THAT KNOW WHERE
THE PROBLEM AREAS ARE.
IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT YOUR STAFF DOESN'T.
I'M SURE THEY DO.
BUT ALSO, JUST HEARING FROM SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS BECAUSE AS
YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT ONE SPECIFIC DITCH,
NEIGHBORS COULD TELL YOU, HEY, BY THE WAY, THIS DITCH IS
ALSO A PROBLEM.
SO HOW DO YOU GET YOUR PLAN AND HOW DOES THE NEIGHBORHOOD
CONNECT WITH YOU DURING THIS TIME TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE
GETTING WHAT THEY NEED DONE, DONE DURING THIS TIME?
10:45:19AM >>VIK BHIDE:
SO I THINK THAT IS A FAIR AND A GOOD QUESTION
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WHAT WE PROVIDE, NEEDS TO BE, WE HAVE
BEFORE-AND-AFTER PICTURES AND AGGREGATE AMOUNT OF WORK DONE.
WHAT WE COULD DO IS IN OUR MONTHLY REPORTS AND I'M SURE
BRIAN IS WATCHING THIS, WE COULD ADD TABLES FROM CITY WORKS.
CITY WORKS IS OUR WORK MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, AND THAT SHOWS
WHAT WORK WAS DONE WHERE.
IN TERMS OF HOW CAN WE ENGAGE, AGAIN, JUST GIVEN THAT
GATHERING INFORMATION AND FOLLOWING UP WITH INDIVIDUALS CAN
BE TIME-CONSUMING.
THE STREAMLINE ALONG WITH MAINTENANCE STAFF, MY SUGGESTION
WOULD BE TO CALL INTO OUR CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE FOLKS, AND
THEY HAVE THOSE CALLS LOGGED, AND THEY DO RECONCILE THEM
WITH STANDING WORK ORDERS.
ALL OF THIS IS IN OUR WORK MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, CITY WORKERS.
WHEN THEY GO OUT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD THEY LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE
OPEN ORDERS IN CITY WORKS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ONE-ON-ONE ENGAGEMENT WITH MAINTENANCE STAFF GETS A LITTLE
BIT HARDER.
WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE FOCUSED ON DOING THEIR PORTION OF
THE JOB.
WE HAVE A TEAM THAT DOES THE INTAKE.
10:46:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IS THERE A WAY TO SHARE ON SOCIAL MEDIA OR
MAYBE THROUGH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND SHARE -- RIGHT
NOW, WE JUST HAVE THE LISTS.
IT WOULD BE GREAT IF SOMEONE -- YOU HAVE A COMMUNICATIONS
PERSON.
10:46:54AM >>VIK BHIDE:
JOSH.
10:46:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JOSH COULD GO OUT AND MAKE SOME CUTE
INSTAGRAM Facebook TYPE POSTS AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE IN YOUR
NEIGHBORHOOD, CALL THIS NUMBER TO TELL US WHAT WE NEED TO BE
LOOKING AT.
OR ADD A PHOTO HERE.
JUST SOMEONE TO FOLLOW THAT Facebook FEED.
SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO REALLY, AGAIN, HELP, AND LET PEOPLE
KNOW YOU'RE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ONE OF MY FAVORITE PHOTOS OF THIS IS FROM THE UNIVERSITY
SQUARE DEBRIS INLET.
I'M GOING TO REITERATE IT BECAUSE I SAW A SOCIAL MEDIA POST
FROM CITY OF TAMPA RECENTLY THAT SAID DON'T BLOW YOUR LEAFS
AND GRASS CLIPPINGS INTO THE STREET BECAUSE THIS IS EXACTLY
WHAT HAPPENS.
I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T TAKE TIME TO SAY THAT YET
AGAIN.
IT'S SO IMPORTANT.
IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WE DO.
THAT'S WHAT WE CAN DO AS CITIZENS.
AS FAR AS THE INLET TOP REPAIR, IS THAT DONE IN-HOUSE?
AND BY THAT, CAN YOU TALK SPECIFICALLY, IS IT ONLY THE
CLEANING OUT OF THE PIPES AND THE FIXING OF THE WATER -- THE
FIXING OF THE CAVE-INS, IS THAT THE ONLY THING WE'RE
CONTRACTING OUT RIGHT NOW?
10:48:24AM >>VIK BHIDE:
CORRECT.
RIGHT NOW IT IS JET TRUCKS.
WE DO HAVE STANDING CONTRACTS AS WELL.
WE'LL TOUCH ON THAT ON ITEM 4 ALSO.
THAT WAS A MEMO THAT WE SUBMITTED AND DISCUSSED.
SO WE HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT AS PART OF
OUR REGULAR MAINTENANCE WE CONTRACT OUT, RIGHT NOW THE
EMPHASIS HAS BEEN ON PIPES AND CAVE-INS.
ON THE INLET TOPS, WE DO THEM IN-HOUSE.
THEY REQUIRE THREE BASIC TYPES OF EQUIPMENT.
THE VAC TRUCKS TO CLEAN OUT.
THEY NEED LOADERS TO HAUL OUT THE EQUIPMENT AND THEN SOME
OTHER EQUIPMENT AS WELL.
BUT BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS REPAIRING THAT DAMAGE, AND
THERE ARE SOME PICTURES ON THE PROCESS, FORMING THE CONCRETE
ON THE TOP AND REESTABLISHING THAT.
AND WHEN WE DO THAT, WE ALSO CLEAN OUT THE INLET ITSELF OF
ANY DEBRIS AND THAT'S WHERE THE VACS COME IN.
10:49:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
NOW, WHEN IT COMES TO THE LAST PART AND, QUITE FRANKLY, WHEN
IT CAME TO THE WORK DONE IN THIS LAST MONTH, THE NUMBERS ARE
IMPRESSIVE AND STAGGERING, BUT WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE
PUBLIC AND WHAT I'M HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING IS THE
PERCENTAGE OF THE CITY THAT YOU'RE COVERING.
IF YOU DID 3200 FEET OF DITCHES, IF YOU GRADED THAT, HOW
MUCH OF THE SYSTEM IS THAT?
LIKE, WHAT ARE WE ACTUALLY BEING ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH?
WE NEED TO HAVE MORE AMBITIOUS GOALS FOR THIS.
I WOULD LOVE THAT TO SEE THE PERCENTAGE OF THAT.
WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING?
HOW CAN WE LOOK AT THIS AS A CITY?
HOW CAN WE LOOK AT THIS AS PARTS OF A CITY AND SAY, OKAY, WE
ARE REALLY CLEANING OUT STUFF EVERY YEAR?
SOME OF THIS GOES TO YOUR QUARTERLY STORMWATER UPDATES.
WHEN YOU SHOW THE GRAVITY MAINS AND YOU HAVE ALL OF THAT, IT
WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD SEE -- SOME OF THIS I MIGHT TALK
TO YOU ABOUT OFF-LINE BECAUSE I HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS
AND THINGS I WANT TO ADD, BUT WITH THE STORMWATER GRAVITY
MAIN MAP, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF IT WAS COLOR CODED TO SHOW
WHAT WAS INSPECTED, HOW LONG IT'S BEEN, THOSE TYPES OF
THINGS SO PEOPLE CAN KNOW, HEY, MY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN
INSPECTED RECENTLY AND RIGHT NOW PEOPLE ARE QUESTIONING,
HEY, HAS THAT BEEN DONE?
IF WE HAD THAT ON THE WEBSITE, FOLKS COULD JUST IMMEDIATELY
GO OR IF THEY CALL INTO THE HOT LINE AND FOLKS COULD DIRECT
THEM TO THAT WEBSITE TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT'S
ACCOMPLISHED.
SO THE MORE WE CAN GET ON TO A MAP OR CLEAR TO SHOW WHAT HAS
BEEN DONE, HOW LONG IT'S BEEN SINCE SOME OF THAT HAS BEEN
DONE, I THINK IT WOULD HELP THE CITIZENS NOT HAVE TO CALL
IN, BUT THEN CALL IN WHEN THERE ARE ACTUAL PROBLEMS.
10:51:28AM >>VIK BHIDE:
JUST SO I'M CLEAR ON THIS, SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN
TO INTERRUPT.
10:51:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, GO RIGHT AHEAD.
10:51:34AM >>VIK BHIDE:
BASICALLY, IF WE ARE CLEANING OUT PIPES, MAP
THOSE AND SHOW.
10:51:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH.
I DID WANT TO TALK ABOUT ONE MORE THING BECAUSE I'M TAKING A
LOT OF TIME AND I WANT TO LET OTHER PEOPLE GO.
I DO WANT TO TALK TO YOU OFF-LINE ABOUT NEW ADDITIONS I
WOULD LIKE TO SEE TO THIS IN THE FUTURE.
I DO WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THE TIME TODAY TO DEFINE
WHAT A DITCH IS TO THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT DITCHES ARE THE
RESPONSIBILITY OF A HOMEOWNER, PER SE, AND WHAT THE
DIFFERENCE IS IN A DITCH THAT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE
CITY.
10:52:10AM >>VIK BHIDE:
SURE.
I WILL PREFACE THIS BY SAYING THAT I AM NOT A STORMWATER
ENGINEER, SO I WOULD NOT KNOW WHAT THE ACCURATE DEFINITION
IS.
I'M SURE THERE IS AN ENGINEERING DEFINITION.
THIS IS MAINLY FOR THE ENGINEERS.
BUT A DITCH BASICALLY CONVEYS STORMWATER FROM ONE POINT TO
ANOTHER, USUALLY TO A SYSTEM OR AN OUTFALL.
AND THEN WHAT GETS MAINTAINED BY THE CITY, WHAT DOES NOT GET
MAINTAINED BY THE CITY.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THOSE DECISIONS WERE MADE EARLY IN 2003
WHEN THE SERVICE ASSESSMENT WAS FIRST PASSED.
PRIOR TO 2003 AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WOULD PROBABLY
REMEMBER, THERE WAS NO FUNDING FOR STORMWATER.
SO THERE WAS NO STORMWATER ENGINEERING TEAM.
VERY FEW PEOPLE, ONE TEAM AT THAT TIME.
SO THERE WAS A RESOURCE CHALLENGE THAT WAS IDENTIFIED.
THE SIMPLEST WAY TO ANSWER WHAT DITCHES ARE MAINTAINED BY
THE CITY VERSUS NOT IS BASED ON DEPTH AND THE WIDTH.
SO THE WAY KEITH GORMAN, OUR SENIOR TECHNICIAN THAT
MAINTAINS AND OVERSEES CONTRACTS FOR DITCHES EXPLAINS TO ME,
IF AN AVERAGE PERSON CAN WALK ACROSS THAT DITCH, MEANING IF
IT'S 18 INCHES DEEP OR IF IT'S NOT VERY -- IF A LAWN MOWER
CAN GO THROUGH IT, THEN MOST LIKELY THAT IS ON THE PROPERTY
OWNER TO MAINTAIN.
NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, THERE IS AN INVENTORY OF WHAT THE
CITY WILL MAINTAIN VERSUS WHAT PROPERTY OWNERS ARE REQUIRED
TO MAINTAIN.
WE WILL MAKE THAT AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE AS WELL.
10:54:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IS THERE A WAY, BECAUSE WE WALKED
NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THE DITCHES HAD, WHILE THEY WERE
MAINTAINED BY THE OWNERS, THEY HAD GROWN UP OVER WHERE THEY
COULD GET INTO THE PIPES.
THEY WERE BLOCKING PIPEAGE.
IN MY UNDERSTANDING, THE CITY WILL GO THROUGH AND RE-GRADE
THOSE, BUT THEN IT RELIES AGAIN ON THE CONSTITUENT.
IF YOU'RE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH YOUR PIPES OR THAT FEED FROM
THAT, YOU SHOULD CALL THE HOT LINE NUMBER SO THEY CAN GET
YOU ON A PLAN TO RE-GRADE YOUR DITCH.
10:54:42AM >>VIK BHIDE:
THAT IS CORRECT.
YOU CAN EITHER GO THROUGH THE PORTAL OR THE BEST WAY TO
REACH US IS 813-274-3101 FOR ALL STORMWATER ISSUES.
10:54:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GREAT.
THANK YOU.
10:54:56AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:54:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
REAL QUICK.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK, YOU AND YOUR TEAM.
CERTAINLY IN THIS UPDATE, A LOT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED.
AND IN THE TIMING OF THIS IS PERFECT BECAUSE YESTERDAY I WAS
SPEAKING WITH A GROUP AND THE TOPIC OF MAINTENANCE AND
DITCHES AND CULVERTS AND EVERYTHING HAD COME UP.
AND ONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS IS HERE.
I'M GLAD THIS HAS COME UP.
MS. CANNELLA SHOWED PHOTOS, A SPECIFIC AREA, PALMIRA, I
THINK.
10:55:36AM >>VIK BHIDE:
I THINK -- I'LL LET MS. CANNELLA SPEAK TO HER
PICTURES.
10:55:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
REGARDLESS, WHEN SOMETHING IS NOT
MAINTAINED SYSTEM WILL FAIL.
JUST LIKE A CAR, DON'T CHANGE THE OIL, DO THE MAINTENANCE,
THE CAR WILL FALL APART MUCH MORE QUICKLY.
YOU SHOWED ME A VARIETY OF FIXES THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
SWANN IS ONE THAT I'VE BEEN GETTING CALLS FOR A LONG TIME,
AND I HAVEN'T RECEIVED CALLS.
NOT THAT EVERYTHING IS PERFECT, BUT YOU HAVE GONE OUT AND
FIXED UP.
HOPEFULLY AS WE SEE THE SUCCESS OF THE MAINTENANCE DONE, AND
THIS IS JUST FROM APRIL.
THIS IS JUST THE MOST RECENT, PERHAPS WHEN THE SUMMER RAINS
COME, WE'LL SEE THAT THE SYSTEM WORKS BETTER AND PERHAPS WE
MAY SEE THAT SHOULD IT BE WORKING BETTER, AS WE MOVE FORWARD
OR TRY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH BIG, MULTIMILLION DOLLAR
PROJECTS WE REALIZE MAYBE IT'S NOT SO MUCH WE HAVE TO BUILD
AND WE HAVE TO DO, I'M NOT GOING TO CALL ON ANY SPECIFIC
PROJECTS, MAYBE WE HAVE A MAINTENANCE ISSUE.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, YES, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF NEW
HOUSES, A LOT OF NEW BUILDING, A LOT OF NEW STUFF, BUT WE
HAVEN'T BEEN MAINTAINING THINGS PROPERLY.
AS YOU MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY TO 2003, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE
STORMWATER MAINTENANCE ASSESSMENT.
IN 2016 AS PART OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT WE
INCREASED THE FUNDING TOWARD THAT.
AS A COUNCIL WE FURTHER INCREASED THE FUNDING FOR THE
MAINTENANCE.
SO I THINK IT MAY NOT BE THE ANSWER TO EVERYTHING, BUT I
THINK MAINTENANCE AND THE LACK THEREOF IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST
THINGS.
AND HOPEFULLY THE STRIDES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE WILL SHOW
PROOF THAT ONCE THE RAINS COME, THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.
BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE'RE HERE, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE AS
GOOD STEWARDS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
WHEN WE HAVE THESE MASSIVE STORMWATER PROJECTS THAT ARE IN
THE MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, PERHAPS THE RIGHT WAY
AND THE MORE PRUDENT WAY IS JUST TO ATTACK THAT MAINTENANCE
AS WE HAVE.
A LOT HAS BEEN SAID.
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK BROUGHT UP A LOT OF GREAT QUESTIONS
AND POINTS, BUT WE NEED TO FURTHER INVEST IN THAT
MAINTENANCE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GOING TO MAKE THE
DIFFERENCE -- HOPEFULLY IT MAKES ENOUGH OF A DIFFERENCE THAT
UNLESS IT IS A MAJOR HURRICANE, WE'RE SEEING THAT THE SUMMER
RAINS ARE MORE MANAGEABLE OVERALL.
THANK YOU.
10:57:53AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMAN
MIRANDA.
10:57:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
FROM YOUR LIST OF NEIGHBORHOODS, IF THE AVERAGE SOUTH TAMPA
RESIDENT LOOKED AT IT, IT APPEARS THAT IT'S LIGHT ON SOUTH
TAMPA NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO INCLUDE MORE SOUTH TAMPA
NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY, MANY THIS WERE HIT.
BUT I ALSO OBSERVED THAT I'VE BEEN OUT WHEN CLEANING CREWS
HAVE CLEANED IT ITCHES IN SOUTH TAMPA.
AND I DON'T SEE THOSE AREAS ON THIS LIST.
NOT TO ANSWER NOW, BUT I HAVE A HYPOTHESIS THAT THERE MAYBE
WERE SOME DONE RIGHT AFTER THE STORM THAT ARE NOT ON THE
LIST, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU SO THAT THE ADMINISTRATION
DOESN'T GET A BUNCH OF E-MAILS FROM SOUTH TAMPA SAYING WHY
AREN'T YOU DOING OUR AREA, I THINK THERE ARE MANY AREAS THAT
WERE DONE THAT MIGHT NOT -- YOU MIGHT NOT BE GETTING CREDIT
FOR.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT.
ALSO, IN COMMUNICATING WHAT YOUR DEPARTMENT IS DOING,
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMMUNICATION ABOUT GENERATORS FOR
PUMPS.
BUT IN SOUTH TAMPA FOR THE MOST PART, PUMPS ARE NOT THE MAIN
ISSUE.
THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT MAINTENANCE.
IN A COUPLE OF CASES, AS YOU KNOW, IT WAS MORE ABOUT THE
STRENGTH OF THE PUMP, NOT THE GENERATOR.
I THINK THE POINT IS THAT THERE IS NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL
IN HOW WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
PUMP GENERATORS IS AN EASY SOUND BITE, BUT FOR THE THOUSANDS
OF PEOPLE HIT IN SOUTH TAMPA, MOST OF THEM DON'T SEE THAT AS
THE SOLUTION THAT WOULD IMPACT THEM.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO TALK MORE ABOUT THIS.
THE OTHER THING IN TERMS OF LANGUAGE, IF YOU SAY WE'RE
GRADING A DITCH, UNTIL A LITTLE WHILE AGO I WASN'T SURE WHAT
THAT MEANT.
I THINK IF WE SAY WE'RE DIGGING THE DITCH OUT OR SOME PLAIN
LANGUAGE.
WE'RE DIGGING A DITCH SO IT GOES BELOW THE PIPES THAT ARE
CONNECTING IT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SO THAT THE WATER CAN
FLOW.
I AGREE WITH THE THINGS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK WAS
SAYING, THERE'S ALSO NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE PEOPLE FILLED IN
DITCHES NOT KNOWING THEY SHOULDN'T.
WE NEED TO FIGURE THAT OUT AS WELL.
I WOULD ASK YOU, DON'T HAVE TO GIVE THE ANSWER NOW, BUT ASK
YOU TO TALK TO THE PUBLIC, YOUR E-MAIL TEAM DOES A GOOD JOB
OF RESPONDING BUT I THINK WE NEED A BETTER WAY OF DESCRIBING
HOW WE ARE SETTING PRIORITIES.
IN TRIAGE, WHAT ARE WE DOING FIRST?
RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS ARBITRARY.
IF THERE'S SOME PLAN TO IT, THEN I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE
TALK ABOUT THAT.
AN EXAMPLE AND DON'T WANT TO GO IN-DEPTH ON THIS, IF YOU ARE
TRYING TO AFFECT PARKLAND ESTATES AND PALMA CEIA PINES,
SEEMS LIKE WE WOULD BE DOING MAINTENANCE UP BY KENNEDY
SOMEWHERE OR FURTHER TO THE NORTH BECAUSE TALKING ABOUT
WATERSHEDS AND GRAVITY, THEN HOW DO WE IMPACT THAT?
THE SAME WITH OTHERS.
IF THERE IS A WAY TO EXPLAIN OUT OF THE THOUSAND PROJECTS OR
WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO, WE'RE STARTING WITH THE FIRST
HUNDRED BASED ON THIS CRITERIA, THAT WOULD HELP THE PUBLIC
UNDERSTAND IT.
IT'S ALREADY BEEN TALKED ABOUT WHAT MS. CANNELLA SAID ABOUT
THE EQUIPMENT, SO I WON'T TALK ABOUT THAT.
YOU SAID 2013 FOR THE NEW TAX, I REMEMBER 2016, WHATEVER IT
WAS, AT THAT TIME, THE PUBLIC WAS TOLD THAT SEVERAL MILLION
DOLLARS WAS SPENT ON MAINTENANCE.
WE NOW SEE AREAS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN MAINTAINED IN DECADES.
I WONDER WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT.
ALSO, COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK MENTIONED THE LEAFS.
THERE IS A VIDEO THAT THE COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT POSTED
THIS MORNING TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT IT'S ILLEGAL TO PUT LEAFS
IN THE STREET.
THANK YOU TO THEM FOR DOING THAT.
ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO WE ON CITY COUNCIL DOUBLED THE FINES
BUT THERE IS A LACK OF COMMUNICATION TO LANDSCAPERS ON IT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMMENTS, STILL WE'RE GETTING PEOPLE
COMMENTING THAT CITY STAFF OR CITY CONTRACTORS ARE BLOWING
LEAFS INTO THE STREETS.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE EDUCATING LANDSCAPERS AND
HOMEOWNERS, AND CITY CONTRACTORS.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING PEOPLE ARE CALLING FOR IS
ENFORCEMENT.
WE'VE DOUBLED THE FINES, BUT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GO IN.
I REALIZE IT'S HARD TO CATCH THEM, BUT YOU REALLY SEE IT
WHEN DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD AND SUDDENLY THE CAR IS COVERED
WITH LEAFS BECAUSE SOMEBODY BLEW THEM IN THE STREET.
THE OTHER THING IS WASTEWATER.
THERE ARE AREAS HIT BY WASTEWATER.
ERIC AND HIS TEAM ARE REALLY GOOD ABOUT GOING OUT.
I THINK AND I WISH THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD PUT
TOGETHER SOME KIND OF MULTIFUNCTION TASK FORCE BECAUSE OF
YOUR POSITION, THERE'S SOME SYNERGY BETWEEN STORMWATER
MOBILITY.
REALLY, BASED ON WHAT HAPPENED AND THE CLAIMS OF SEWAGE
WATER BUBBLING UP OR NOT FLOWING FORWARD OR GRAVITY PUSHING
INTO NEIGHBORHOODS, THERE'S SYNERGY THERE WITH WASTEWATER,
STORMWATER MOBILITY, MAYBE SOME WITH POTABLE WATER, BUT ALSO
WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, PERMITTING, AND THEN AS PEOPLE
ARE LOOKING TO REBUILD THEIR HOUSES, THERE ARE NEW FEMA
RULES.
WE WERE EXPLAINING TO PEOPLE WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.
I THINK GOING FORWARD, ESPECIALLY AS WE FACE THE STORM TIME,
WE NEED TO SHOW THE PUBLIC WE HAVE AN INTEGRATED PLAN AND
FOCUSING ON AN INTEGRATED WAY TO PREVENT FLOODING IN THE
FUTURE.
LASTLY, IF YOU NEED MORE BUDGET, COME TO US QUICKLY SO THAT
WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE SPEED IT UP AS WELL BECAUSE WE KNOW
THE PUBLIC WANTS THIS.
THANK YOU.
11:03:14AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:03:15AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ONE THING I HEARD ABOUT DITCHES, AS I UNDERSTAND IT FOR A
LONG TIME IT'S BEEN THAT THE DITCHES, THE WHOLE CITY IS
DIVIDED INTO QUARTERS, FOUR QUARTERS.
AND WHOEVER HAS THAT CONTRACT HAS TO HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY
OF DOING THE WORK AND HAVING THE EQUIPMENT TO DO THE WORK.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S CHANGED ANYWHERE.
I DON'T THINK IT HAS.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THEY DO THAT
AND THEY DON'T GET PAID UNTIL THE FELLA FROM THE CITY
FOLLOWS AND SAYS, YES, IT'S BEEN DONE.
IF I REMEMBER THE PAYMENT PROCESS, THAT'S HOW IT WAS.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS LIKE THAT ANYMORE.
I CAN REMEMBER HOW SENSITIVE IT IS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THESE
TYPES OF DRAINAGE ON WOODLAWN AND HABANA, LONG TIME AGO.
I GET A CALL IT WAS BACKED UP, RAINING KIND OF HARD BUT NOT
THAT HARD WHERE THE WHOLE STREET IS UNDER WATER.
I CALL THE CITY, YOU KNOW WHAT WAS INSIDE THE DRAIN?
A COVER OF A GARBAGE CAN THAT BLOCKED THE WHOLE SYSTEM FROM
OPERATING.
HAD A GENTLEMAN GO IN THERE AND BRING IT OUT.
I WAS AMAZED SOMETHING THAT SIMPLE COULD CAUSE THAT KIND OF
DRAINAGE PROBLEM ANYWHERE.
I IMAGINE WHAT THAT WOULD DO WHEN YOU HAVE A TORRENTIAL
RAINFALL OR HURRICANE COME BY, YOU WOULD BE UNDERWATER IN
THE WHOLE AREA.
JUST THAT ONE COVER FROM ONE GARBAGE CAN DID THAT.
SECONDLY, MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHEN I SEE PICTURES OF THE
DRAINS BEFORE AND AFTER, THERE IS AN ORDINANCE YEARS AGO
THAT SAYS IF THEY CATCH YOU PUTTING STUFF INTO THE DRAIN,
YOU WOULD BE FINED.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE FIND ANYBODY BECAUSE WHO WILL PATROL
THAT?
VERY DIFFICULT.
YOU GO, SEE SOMEBODY, BY THE TIME YOU GO, THAT INDIVIDUAL IS
GONE.
NOT THOUGH CHANGE THE SUBJECT MATTER, GOT SO BAD YEARS AGO
THAT ON THE CORNER OF LAKE AND GOMEZ AND ON THE CORNER OF
SWANN AND HENDERSON BOULEVARD AT DIFFERENT TIMES I SAW TWO
TRUCKS ABOUT THE THIRD THE SIZE OF A GASOLINE TRUCK TAKING
WATER FROM ONE, THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT USES TO SOLVE THE
PROBLEMS IN CASE THERE IS A HURRICANE.
AND THEY WERE GETTING OUR WATER FOR FREE.
I STOPPED AND TALKED TO THE GUY UNTIL HE TOLD ME TO GO TO
HELL AND HAD TO CALL FOR BACKUP.
IT'S JUST THAT'S HOW VIOLENT THEY ARE.
THEY WANT SOMETHING, THEY GO GET IT.
YOU CAN'T STOP EVERYTHING BUT WE CAN SURE TRY.
I WOULD SEE AND RECOMMEND TO THE ADMINISTRATION TO MAKE SURE
THAT EVERY CITY EMPLOYEE HAS A RIGHT TO CALL SOMEBODY TO GO
SEE DROPPING IN THE THINGS INTO THE DITCH.
YOU'RE GOING TO FIND THAT SOME OF THE TIME, MAYBE EVEN SOME
OF OUR OWN EMPLOYEES ARE DOING IT.
I'M NOT SAYING THEY ARE, BUT IT'S POSSIBLE.
THESE ARE THE THINGS I SEE THAT COULD BE CHANGED WITH VERY
FEW DOLLARS AND GET SOMETHING DONE.
BUT DITCHES HAVE GOT TO BE DONE PROPERLY.
SOME DITCHES ARE DEEPER THAN OTHERS, AND SOME YOU CAN GO
DEEPER WITHOUT HITTING WATER AND SOME YOU CAN'T.
THESE ARE THE THINGS I KNOW IF WE IMPROVE ON IT WOULD HELP
25% OF THE PROBLEM WE HAVE.
THANK YOU.
11:06:18AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:06:19AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.
EVERYONE HAS SAID A LOT OF GOOD REMARKS.
I WAS GOING TO SAY, THANK YOU FOR THE VERY DETAILED REPORT.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT A LOT OF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE
LOOKING FOR, WHICH IS DETAILED REPORT ON THE SMALL THINGS
WE'RE DOING.
I COULDN'T IMAGINE IF I GOT FLOODED IN 2024 AND LOOKING AT
IT RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, THE ACUTE SENSE OF PTSD THAT A LOT OF
THESE PEOPLE HAVE IS IMMENSE.
THEY WILL BE LOOKING AT BIG THINGS, LITTLE THINGS, EVERY
PIECE OF THE PUZZLE THAT CAN GO TO JUST MAXIMIZING OUR
CHANCES FOR A GOOD 2025.
THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A BIG PART OF IT WITH REGARDS TO REGULAR
EVERYDAY MAINTENANCE.
SO, YEAH, THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MY CONSTITUENTS ARE LOOKING
AT.
THEY ARE LOOKING AT BIG THINGS, LITTLE THINGS.
THE KIND OF THINGS THAT YOU TAKE FOR GRANTED THAT A
GOVERNMENT DOES, MAKING SURE THEY ARE BEING DONE BECAUSE
AGAIN AFTER WHAT PEOPLE WENT THROUGH LAST YEAR, THEY HAVE A
REAL COMPELLING INTEREST, OBVIOUSLY, IN THAT.
JUST THANK YOU, SIR.
11:07:27AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT COMING UP NEXT.
STARTING WITH MS. POYNOR.
THERE YOU ARE.
11:07:35AM >> I'M GLAD TO SEE -- STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I'M GLAD TO SEE PORT TAMPA ON THERE.
I'M GLAD TO SEE THE GANDY CIVIC ASSOCIATION ON THERE.
BAY SIDE WEST.
I'M WONDERING ABOUT HOW WE GO ALL THE WAY UP TO BEACH PARK
ON THAT WEST SIDE OF WESTSHORE IF WE'RE GOING TO HIT ALL
THOSE BEFORE HURRICANE SEASON.
I KNOW FOR JUST MY OWN PERSONAL OBSERVATION, THE DITCHES AT
INTERBAY AND MANHATTAN DEFINITELY NEED TO BE CLEANED.
THEY NEED TO BE, I DON'T KNOW -- THEY DIDN'T DO THEIR JOB
DURING THE STORM, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY.
I'M SORRY.
I GOT DISCOMBOBULATED.
I HAD TO DO SOME WORK.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THESE ARE GOOD PLANS, BUT I STILL AM VERY
CONCERNED THAT OUR STORMWATER DEPARTMENT IS PULLED OFF THE
ROADS CLEARING DITCHES, DOING THEIR JOB IN THE STORMWATER
DEPARTMENT IN ORDER TO SET UP AND BREAK DOWN FOR PARADES.
IN ORDER TO SET UP AND BREAK DOWN FOR THE GASPARILLA RUN.
THAT'S 28 DAYS A YEAR THAT WE LOSE BECAUSE OF THOSE.
AND IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT THE ADMINISTRATION GIVES TWO FLIPS
ABOUT THAT BEING INAPPROPRIATE, ABOUT THAT BEING A
MISMANAGEMENT OF OUR STORMWATER DOLLARS.
WE ONLY HAVE $25 MILLION.
YOU GUYS GAVE THEM MORE MONEY, BUT HOW MUCH MONEY DO EACH
ONE OF THOSE DAYS THAT WE MISS HAVING PEOPLE, BOOTS ON THE
GROUND, DIGGING DITCHES, MAKING SURE THAT STORM DRAINS ARE
CLEANED, ARE THEY ACTUALLY -- I MEAN, HOW MUCH MONEY DOES
THAT COST?
BECAUSE STORMWATER MONEY SHOULD BE SPENT ON STORMWATER, NOT
ON PARADES.
I LIKE PARADES.
I LIKE TO WALK IN PARADES.
I LIKE TO GO TO PARADES.
BUT HONESTLY, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH OUR STORMWATER
DEPARTMENT DOING THE JOB THAT THEY DO UNDER THE GUISE OF
STORMWATER.
WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.
YOU GUYS GAVE THEM MORE MONEY, BUT THE PROBLEM IS IF THE
MONEY IS SPENT ON PARADES, DID THEY REALLY NEED IT?
I DON'T KNOW.
THANK YOU.
11:09:56AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MS. SANCHEZ, ARE YOU SKIPPING THIS ITEM?
YOU'RE NEXT.
FOLLOWED BY MS. BULLOCK.
THANK YOU.
MR. MICHELINI.
MS. FERRELLI AND MS. CANNELLA.
11:10:14AM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
FIRST THING, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE CITY INCREASE THE FINES FOR
ANYONE THAT BLOWS IN DEBRIS OR DISRUPTS DITCHES TO THE
MAXIMUM ALLOWED BY LAW.
THE MAXIMUM.
IT IS UNCALLED FOR AND IT DAMAGES EVERYONE.
CONSIDER ESTABLISHING CREWS BY AREA OF THE CITY SO THAT YOU
HAVE DEDICATED CREWS WITH DEDICATED EQUIPMENT FOR NORTH
TAMPA, EAST TAMPA, WEST TAMPA, AND SOUTH TAMPA.
WITH THEIR OWN EQUIPMENT SO THEY ARE NOT BORROWING ONE PIECE
OF EQUIPMENT TO GO SHUTTLING AROUND TO DIFFERENT PARTS OF
THE CITY.
WHAT ARE THE TIMELINES FOR THESE IMPROVEMENTS AND FOR THE
RETENTION PONDS AND DITCHES?
I WANT TO SHOW YOU A COUPLE OF PHOTOGRAPHS.
THIS IS THE POND AT HORATIO AND ARMENIA, THE ONE THAT
OVERFLOWED AND FLOODED DOWN INTO PARKLAND.
THIS IS ANOTHER PICTURE OF THE SAME POND.
I TOOK THESE PICTURES LAST WEEK.
THIS IS THE HYDE PARK POND.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE ALGAE, BUT YOU CAN ALSO SEE TRASH AND
DEBRIS THAT FLOWS INTO THERE FROM THE STREET.
THE RAINWATER FLOWS AND IT TAKES THE DEBRIS INTO THE POND.
AND THIS IS THE POND THAT THEY JUST CLEANED OUT.
THIS IS OVER ON BRISTOL AND ALBANY.
SO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE.
WHEN THEY MAINTAIN A POND, IT SHOULD FUNCTION CORRECTLY.
I TURNED THIS IN TWICE ON THE CITY SYSTEM.
THIS IS 2602 SUNSET.
WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS THEY EITHER CAME OUT AND THEY PUT
CONES AND NEW BARRICADES, BUT HADN'T BEEN FIXED.
THEY FIXED THE ONES ACROSS THE STREET, AND I HAVE NO IDEA
WHY THEY DIDN'T FIX THIS ONE.
ANYWAY.
WHAT ARE THE SCHEDULES FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE PUMP
STATIONS?
HOW MANY MAINTENANCE CREWS ARE THERE OPERATING WITH THEIR
OWN EQUIPMENT?
HOW MUCH EQUIPMENT IS DEDICATED SOLELY TO STORMWATER AS
OPPOSED TO BORROWING IT FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS?
AND UNTIL WE GET CONTROL OVER THE MAINTENANCE, WE CANNOT
SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM ENTIRELY,
BUT IT WOULD HELP IF WE STARTED WITH MAINTENANCE AND GOT
SOME OF THESE UNDER CONTROL.
AGAIN, I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND AND ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL
TO CONSIDER ESTABLISHING THE MAXIMUM FINES ALLOWED BY LAW.
11:13:04AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MS. CANNELLA FOLLOWED BY FRAN TATE.
11:13:10AM >> YVONNE FERRELLI, ON BEHALF OF THE PARKLAND ESTATES CIVIC
CLUB.
FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR ADVOCATING
TO FIND IMMEDIATE FLOODING SOLUTIONS QUICKLY ON OUR
NEIGHBORHOOD AT PARKLAND ESTATES.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
SECONDLY, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MOBILITY FOR INCREASING SOME
OUTLETS IN OUR PARKLAND ESTATES AREA, INCLUDING FOUNTAIN
PARK.
I'M HOPING THAT THAT WILL GIVE US SOME SUMMERTIME RELIEF.
HOWEVER, I WILL SAY MAINTENANCE, MAINTENANCE, MAINTENANCE.
IT IS KEY.
IT IS THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE.
THE NEGLIGENCE OF THE MAINTENANCE IN THE PAST, AND IT IS THE
QUESTION OF HOW IT WILL MAINTAIN ITSELF OR BE MAINTAINED IN
THE FUTURE.
I CANNOT ASK ENOUGH ABOUT HOW IF ANY PROJECTS GO FORWARD IN
THE FUTURE, HOW WILL THEY MAINTAIN THEM?
WHAT IS THE FUNDING?
WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES IF IT'S NOT MAINTAINED PROPERLY?
I WOULD ASK THAT THE CITY ADDRESS THAT.
THANK YOU.
11:14:23AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YOU'RE WELCOME.
MS. CANNELLA AND THEN MS. TATE.
NO PROBLEM.
MS. TATE.
11:14:34AM >> THANK YOU, PRO TEM HENDERSON AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO PIGGY BACK ON WHAT MR. MICHELINI
SUGGESTED.
DOUBLE FINES, BUT THEN HOW DO YOU CATCH THOSE THAT ARE DOING
IT?
POLICE ARE NOT GOING TO PATROL THE STREETS LOOKING FOR
PEOPLE THAT ARE BLOWING LEAFS INTO THE STORMWATER DRAINS.
MY SUGGESTION IS TO HAVE YOU GUYS AND TPD ISSUE A SECURITY
CAR TO EACH NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT.
SOME CITIES HAVE THAT WHERE THE CRIME WATCH GROUP HAS A
LITTLE CAR, AND IT JUST RIDES THROUGH THE COMMUNITY, NOT
CONFRONTING ANYONE ABOUT ANYTHING THAT THEY ARE DOING WRONG,
BUT JUST COLLECTING PICTURES AND MAKING REPORTS.
AND THAT WOULD STOP THAT.
OR YOU COULD SEND OUT A MASS FLYER OR DO A COMMERCIAL.
BECAUSE SOME OF US DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S WRONG AND ILLEGAL TO
BLOW LEAFS, BECAUSE EVERYBODY BLOWS LEAFS.
PERSONALLY, I LIKE TO RAKE THEM UP BECAUSE THAT GIVES ME
GREAT EXERCISE.
AT 65, I NEED TO STRETCH, LOOSEN UP MY JOINTS, MY MUSCLES,
LIGAMENTS, TENDONS.
MY YARDMAN, HE TAKES MY BLOWER AND BLOWS THE LEAFS
EVERYWHERE.
IF WE COULD DO A COMMERCIAL, SEND OUT A FLYER WITH ALL OF
THESE THINGS, ALERTING THE COMMUNITY THAT THIS IS WHAT YOU
DON'T DO.
BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S ILLEGAL.
THANK YOU.
11:16:13AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU, MS. TATE.
MS. CANNELLA WILL CLOSE OUT.
11:16:28AM >> I'M ONLY GOING TO PUT ONE PICTURE.
AND THAT IS THE PALMIRA DITCH.
I'M ON BOTH SIDES OF SOUTH TAMPA.
I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE I DISAGREE WITH THAT GENTLEMAN OVER
THERE.
WE ARE NOT READY FOR THIS RAINY AND HURRICANE SEASON.
I'VE BEEN OUT THERE AND I'VE LOOKED.
WE ARE NOT READY.
STORMWATER IS WAY, WAY BEHIND ON CLEANING THE DRAINAGE
SYSTEM.
DUE TO A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE OF THEM IS THERE'S NO MANPOWER.
OUR CITY IS DIVIDED INTO ZONES, THREE ZONES.
THERE ARE ONLY EIGHT WORKERS IN OUR SOUTH TAMPA ZONE, WHICH
IS FROM KENNEDY TO THE BASE, FROM WESTSHORE TO BAYSHORE.
AND I HEAR NORTH TAMPA HAS EVEN LESS WORKERS.
THESE EIGHT WORKERS HAVE BEEN PULLED TO DO SPECIAL EVENTS
AND ROD AND SIDEWALK CAVE-INS BEFORE ANY OF THE DITCHES,
PONDS, ANY OF OUR DRAINAGE SYSTEM IS TO BE CLEANED.
I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT BECAUSE I WAS TOLD.
BECAUSE WHEN I CALLED IN JANUARY, I WAS VERY UPSET BECAUSE I
WANTED THE PALMIRA DITCH ON THE SCHEDULE.
AND I WAS TOLD DON'T WORRY, IT WILL BE HERE BY THE SEASON.
I SAID OKAY.
I'M STILL WAITING.
THERE ARE TWO CONTRACTED HELP CREWS.
AND THEY WERE JUST RECENTLY HIRED, JUST RECENTLY.
LAST WEEK, KIMMINS STARTED WORKING AND FLOW TECH AS OF
MONDAY HAS NOT WORKED.
THEY ARE NOT OUT THERE.
SO THE CREWS WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE IN JANUARY ARE NOT
THERE.
STORMWATER EQUIPMENT, I CAN'T BEGIN TO TELL YOU.
IT'S GIVING ME A HEADACHE.
IT'S OLD AND IT'S CONSTANTLY BREAKING DOWN AND IT'S NEVER
AVAILABLE THE DAY THAT THE DITCH OR POND OR WHATEVER IS
SCHEDULED TO BE DONE.
THEY ARE ALWAYS BROKEN.
THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH.
YES, THERE'S ONLY ONE SPIDER EXCAVATOR FOR ALL OF TAMPA.
HOW STRANGE IS THAT?
THERE ARE FIVE VACUUM TRUCKS, BUT THREE OF THEM ARE BROKEN.
I JUST FOUND THAT OUT LAST WEEK.
SO THERE'S TWO LEFT THAT ARE TO BE SHARED FOR ALL OF TAMPA.
ALL OF TAMPA.
ALL THE ZONES.
MR. BRIAN ROGERS SAID THEY ARE RENTING EQUIPMENT.
BUT NO DETAILS WERE GIVEN TO ME ON HOW MANY OR WHEN THEY
WILL BE AVAILABLE.
MAYBE NEXT YEAR.
I KNOW THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH EQUIPMENT TO GET STORMWATER
SYSTEM CLEANED.
AND THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
THERE IS NOTHING -- NOTHING IS GETTING DONE BECAUSE OF LACK
OF MANPOWER, EQUIPMENT, AND PROPER MANAGEMENT.
RESIDENTS ARE CONCERNED AND FRUSTRATED.
I KNOW I AM.
LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT CALLING MOBILITY, YOU ARE PUT ON A
LIST, GIVEN A NUMBER AND NOT SEEN FOR YEARS AND THE
RESIDENTS DON'T LIKE IT.
THEY ARE TIRED ABOUT IT, COMPLAINING ABOUT IT BECAUSE
NOTHING IS GETTING DONE.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHERE THE BUDGET FOR THE
HIGH-COST PROJECTS COME FROM, SUCH AS THE RIVERWALK AND THE
BUILDING THEY JUST BUILT WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE MONEY FOR
STORMWATER.
11:19:41AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU, MS. CANNELLA, FOR YOUR
COMMENTS.
YOU'RE JUST PASSIONATE.
NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
OKAY.
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE FINAL ITEM UNDER MOBILITY, AND
THAT IS TO REPORT ON THE DETAILED PERSONNEL, THIRD PARTY
MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS.
SURE, SHE CAN SET IT UP.
11:20:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANT TO SAY WE ACTUALLY HEARD, IN
FACT, JUST HEARD FROM MS. CANNELLA TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
THIS IS WHERE WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE EQUIPMENT.
DURING THIS IF YOU COULD, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE
IN PUBLIC COMMENT TALK ABOUT THE ZONES.
MS. CANNELLA TOLD US, BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU COULD
REITERATE.
SO THANK YOU.
11:20:34AM >>VIK BHIDE:
SURE.
AND THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, BECAUSE WE DID -- I DID
SUBMIT A MEMO AND WE TALKED ABOUT MOST OF THIS ON MAY 1st.
SO I WON'T REPEAT MYSELF, BUT I WILL TOUCH UPON THE
HIGHLIGHTS.
I'D LIKE TO START BY SAYING MS. CANNELLA IS ABSOLUTELY
RIGHT.
WE NEED MORE PEOPLE.
WE NEED MORE EQUIPMENT.
WE NEED MORE CONTRACTS.
WE NEED MORE RESOURCES.
THE WAY WE KNOW THAT IS BECAUSE WE ARE GIVEN A BUDGET EVERY
YEAR, AND WE SPEND THAT BUDGET.
SO WHAT SERVICE WE'RE PROVIDING BEYOND THAT, IF IT'S NOT
ADEQUATE, IT'S BECAUSE WE NEED MORE RESOURCES.
SO THE WAY TO GET THOSE RESOURCES, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO
START WORKING ON A BUSINESS PLAN THAT WE ARE WORKING ON
RIGHT NOW.
I WILL ADMIT, THANKS TO YOU AND THE MOTION YOU MADE FOR
MONTHLY REPORTS, THAT HAS GIVEN US REALLY GOOD INFORMATION,
BECAUSE OUR WORK MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS REALLY DOCUMENTING
WHAT WORK IS BEING ALLOCATED WHERE.
THERE'S NOT A LOT MORE INTELLIGENCE TO IT THAT WE COULD WORK
ON GETTING MORE ANALYTICS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT THE BUSINESS PLAN WE'RE WORKING ON IS TO UNDERSTAND HOW
MANY PEOPLE, HOW MUCH MORE EQUIPMENT, WHAT IS THE STATE OF
WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, AND THEN FOR DIFFERENT SERVICE
LEVELS, ULTIMATELY WHAT SERVICE LEVELS ARE NEEDED.
RIGHT NOW, OUR SERVICE LEVEL IS BASED OFF OF STATE AND DEP
REGULATIONS.
AND IF WE NEED TO IMPROVE UPON THOSE SERVICES LEVELS AND THE
STATE IS LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL, THEY ARE TRYING TO CHANGE
THOSE FREQUENCIES TO HALF.
IF THAT HAPPENS, THERE IS A DIRECT CORRELATION THAT HASN'T
BEEN ADOPTED YET AS A POLICY BECAUSE IT WILL IMPACT EVERY
SINGLE JURISDICTION IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT IS BEING
WORKED ON.
SO WHAT WE ARE WORKING ON IS A BUSINESS PLAN BY THE END OF
THE CALENDAR YEAR TO BRING TO COUNCIL SO THAT YOU WILL KNOW
FOR WHAT SERVICE LEVEL, WHAT KIND OF EQUIPMENT, PERSONNEL
AND CONTRACTS AND RESOURCES ARE NEEDED.
AND THEN BASED OFF OF THAT, IT WOULD BE A COLLABORATION TO
FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THOSE RESOURCES.
ONE POTENTIAL AVENUE WOULD BE TO FURTHER INCREASE THE
STORMWATER SERVICE ASSESSMENT.
OF COURSE, THERE IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT CALCULUS AROUND THAT.
I'M NOT GOING TO GO THERE EVEN, BUT WE'LL BE READY SHOULD
THAT BE THE PATHWAY, BECAUSE THAT BEGINS, THE SHOT CLOCK ON
THAT BEGINS EARLY IN THE CALENDAR YEAR IF THAT HAD TO BE
INITIATED.
I DON'T HAVE MULTIPLE COPIES ON THIS, BECAUSE OUR VEHICLE
INVENTORY WAS SENT BASED ON A REQUEST MADE BY THE FINANCIAL
ANALYST.
SO I HAVEN'T MADE MORE COPIES.
AND THERE ARE SOME MINOR ERRORS.
TWO OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE, THE COST
SHOWS 20 MILLION, BUT IT'S 200,000.
THAT'S WHY I DID NOT MAKE COPIES.
I'LL JUST GO OVER WHAT EQUIPMENT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, WHAT OUR
TEAM SAYS WE NEED RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE GOING TO VALIDATE IT WITH THE BUSINESS PLAN AND
MEASURE AGAINST BEST PRACTICES SO THAT NEXT YEAR, ONCE OUR
ENGINEERING TEAM IS READY WITH PRIORITY PROJECTS, OUR
OPERATIONS WILL ALSO BE READY WITH PRIORITIES RELATIVE TO
RESOURCES.
SO GENERALLY -- WE HAVE 76 PIECES OF EQUIPMENT TOTAL WITH AN
AVERAGE LIFE OF ABOUT TEN YEARS.
TEN YEARS IS PRETTY LONG.
I MEAN, TYPICALLY YOU WANT TO REPLACE EQUIPMENT SIX YEARS TO
EIGHT YEARS AT THE MOST.
THIS AVERAGE LIFE IS, AGAIN, IT'S AVERAGE.
SOME EQUIPMENT IS MUCH OLDER.
OTHERS ARE NOT AS OLD.
BUT IT'S A MUCH HIGHER AVERAGE LIFE THAN OUR OTHER UTILITY
DEPARTMENTS.
THAT'S PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF RESOURCES.
I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBERS, BUT IN GENERAL, WE HAVE
OLDER EQUIPMENT THAN WATER AND WASTEWATER.
CURRENTLY, WE LEASE SWEEPERS AND WE WILL BE LEASING VAC
TRUCKS.
THE REASON LEASING VAC TRUCKS AGAIN, MS. CANNELLA IS
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, WE HAVE FIVE VAC TRUCKS.
THREE OF THEM HAVE LOW AVAILABILITY.
LET ME JUST PUT IT THAT WAY.
SO AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT, WE DON'T HAVE AS MANY TRUCKS AS WE
NEED.
THIS YEAR IN WORKING WITH FLEET, WE DID LOOK AT DO WE
PURCHASE THEM OR LEASE THEM?
OUR TEAM OPTED FOR LEASING AFTER RUNNING THE NUMBERS.
THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF SAVING, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE
AVAILABILITY IS IMPORTANT.
IT COMES WITH A CONTRACT.
SO THANK YOU AGAIN.
WE SHOULD TAKE POSSESSION OF THESE VAC TRUCKS IN THE NEXT
FEW MONTHS I WANT TO SAY THIS CALENDAR YEAR.
LEAD TIMES FOR ALL OF THIS EQUIPMENT IS REALLY LONG.
WHETHER WE PURCHASE IT OR LEASE IT, IT'S THE SAME.
ONCE WE HAVE THREE VAC TRUCKS, THOSE THREE VAC TRUCKS WILL
ALWAYS BE AVAILABLE.
IF ONE GOES DOWN BY AGREEMENT, WE'LL GET A REPLACEMENT
IMMEDIATELY.
AND THAT WILL IMPROVE OUR LEVEL OF PERFORMANCE, WITH EVEN
THE EXISTING TEAM.
THE TEAM TELLS ME OUR PROCUREMENT OR REPLACEMENT PRIORITIES
FOR VEHICLES ARE AS FOLLOWS: TV TRUCK, WE HAVE ONE TV TRUCK
RIGHT NOW.
WE WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND ON THE TV PROGRAM, WHICH IS WHY WE
INCLUDED TV INSPECTIONS AS PART OF FLOW TECH'S CONTRACT WITH
THE EMERGENCY AFFIDAVIT.
THE EXCAVATOR, THE WHEELED ARTICULATING, SO THAT IS THE
SPIDER BASICALLY.
THAT IS AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.
IT'S NOT MADE IN THE U.S. YET, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE LEAD
TIME ON IT IS.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE COST OF THAT EQUIPMENT IS ABOUT --
SOMEWHERE BETWEEN SEVEN AND EIGHT HUNDRED THOUSAND ALL TOLD.
TWO FLAT BED TRUCKS, AND THEN MULTIPLE GRADING BUCKETS FOR
EXISTING BACKHOES.
THIS YEAR, COUNCIL DID APPROVE A COUPLE OF BACKHOES, SO WE
HAVE ALREADY ADDED.
IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, WE BOUGHT TEN NEW PIECES OF
EQUIPMENT FOR THE STORMWATER TEAM.
WITHIN MOBILITY OPERATIONS, TRANSPORTATION USED TO HAVE EVEN
OLDER EQUIPMENT.
IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE FOCUSED ON TRANSPORTATION MORE
WITH THE EMPHASIS ON PAVING.
WE'RE ABOUT TO TAKE POSSESSION OF A NEW PAVER.
I WANTED TO MENTION THAT BECAUSE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE
REPLACED A LOT MORE EQUIPMENT ON THE TRANSPORTATION SIDE,
WHICH IS MUCH, MUCH OLDER.
EVEN OLDER THAN STORMWATER.
THERE WAS A POINT IN TIME WHEN STORMWATER LOOKED GREAT NEXT
TO TRANSPORTATION IN TERMS OF THE EQUIPMENT.
WHEN YOU COMPARE US APPLES TO APPLES WITH ANY OF THE OTHER
UTILITY DEPARTMENTS, WE FALL SHORT.
I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THIS MUCH, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO
EITHER TAKE QUESTIONS OR IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL
QUESTIONS, AND THEN I HAVE MORE DETAILED INFORMATION ON THE
INVENTORY, BUT WE SHARED THE ENTIRE INVENTORY.
THIS IS A LITTLE HARDER TO READ BUT THIS IS WHERE THE ONE
PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IS 200,000.
THAT'S WHY I DON'T HAVE SEVEN COPIES OF THIS BECAUSE IT
WOULDN'T BE ACCURATE INFORMATION.
BUT THIS IS FOR ALL OF THE ZONES.
SO WE'VE GOT CITYWIDE IN THREE ZONES, AND WE DO HAVE
SEPARATE EQUIPMENT FOR SEPARATE ZONES AND THE CITY SHARES
SOME OF IT AS WELL.
I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
I THINK THIS ONE HAS $20 MILLION ITEM AS WELL AS 200,000.
IN BOTH CASES, THEY ARE BACKHOES.
THOSE ARE NEW PIECES OF EQUIPMENT, 2024.
11:29:10AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU ANSWERED SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I WAS
GOING TO ASK.
GIVE US A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT YOU FEEL IS NEEDED WITH THE
APPROXIMATE COST OF EACH ITEM AND HOW MUCH AGGREGATE IS THE
TOTAL OF IT.
ALSO, DO YOU HAVE THE EMPLOYMENT NOW TO HANDLE MORE TRUCKS?
DO YOU HAVE THE PERSONNEL TO HANDLE MORE VEHICLES IF YOU
WERE TO GET THEM?
11:29:30AM >>VIK BHIDE:
THESE ARE ALL REPLACEMENT VEHICLES.
SO, YES, WE DO HAVE THE PERSONNEL SHOULD WE REPLACE THESE
VEHICLES.
WE WILL DEFINITELY NEED ADDITIONAL STAFF, ADDITIONAL
VEHICLES, AND ADDITIONAL CONTRACTS.
11:29:44AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
ANYTHING ABOVE THE GRADE NOW, YOU NEED MORE PERSONNEL TO
HANDLE THE UPSWING.
11:29:50AM >>VIK BHIDE:
ABSOLUTELY.
11:29:52AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF NOT, NO NEED BUYING BECAUSE COULDN'T
USE THEM.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S APPROPRIATE TO GIVE A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT
YOU NEED IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU HAVE.
11:30:03AM >>VIK BHIDE:
WE'LL KNOW THAT BY THE END OF THIS CALENDAR
YEAR JUST IN TIME FOR THIS BODY TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS.
11:30:09AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HOWEVER, THAT COMES WITH THE CAVEAT THAT
EVEN IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY, DOES THE EQUIPMENT THAT YOU CAN
BUY, IS IT READILY AVAILABLE TO BUY?
11:30:19AM >>VIK BHIDE:
MUCH OF THE EQUIPMENT HAS A LEAD TIME OF ABOUT
FOUR TO EIGHT MONTHS.
IT JUST DEPENDS.
JOHN DEERE MAY HAVE IT AVAILABLE OR CATERPILLAR MAY HAVE IT
AVAILABLE BUT ON AVERAGE --
11:30:32AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING US ALL THAT
INFORMATION.
11:30:35AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:30:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAD MY MIKE ON.
11:30:39AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
HE HAD HIS ON FOR A WHILE.
11:30:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT IS MY ITEM.
GENERALLY WE GO TO THE PERSON WHOSE ITEM IT IS FIRST.
11:30:47AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THAT'S TRUE.
THIS IS FINE.
NO PROBLEM.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:30:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DID WANT TO ASK, THANK YOU FOR THIS, BUT IT
SEEMS LIKE NOW WITH WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THAT THREE
SECTIONS MAY NOT BE ENOUGH.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE MIGHT NEED TO EXPAND TO AT LEAST FOUR.
HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THAT?
11:31:12AM >>VIK BHIDE:
NOT YET.
WE HAVE NOT.
BUT WHEN WE DEVELOP THE BUSINESS PLAN, THAT'S ONE OF THE
THINGS WE'LL LOOK AT BECAUSE THAT IS, IF WE HAVE TO SUPPORT
EXPANDED OPERATIONS FOR DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SERVICE, HOW DO
WE ORGANIZE OURSELVES.
11:31:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
THE SAME, I'LL ECHO COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S INTEREST IN FTEs.
IN MY ESTIMATION, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ONE OF THESE SPIDERS,
TV TRUCKS, WHATEVER, PER SECTION SO THAT EVERYBODY HAS ONE
SO THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING TO BORROW.
BUT I WILL SAY THAT WHILE I APPRECIATE THE BUSINESS PLAN AND
THE IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO GOING FORWARD, I THINK
THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION
BEFORE THIS 2026 BUDGET SEASON.
I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WANT A COUPLE OF FTEs, BUT REALLY,
WHAT ELSE?
WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED?
WHAT TYPES OF -- IF WE'RE JUST LEASING THEM, WE STILL WANT
TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF EQUIPMENT YOU NEED, WHAT KIND OF FTEs
YOU'LL NEED, EVEN FOR THE YEAR OR TWO.
BECAUSE IF WE DON'T START GETTING THAT, THE PUBLIC IS SAYING
WE WANT TO SEE THAT.
WHILE I APPRECIATE THE DEPTH AND TIME THAT GOES INTO A
BUSINESS PLAN, I THINK THAT FOLKS CAN SEE THAT WE NEED
PEOPLE.
THEY CAN SEE THAT WE NEED EQUIPMENT.
AND THE BUSINESS PLAN IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE NEED FOR
EQUIPMENT OR PERSONNEL.
SO IF WE WERE TO GET A JUMP START ON SOME OF THAT, I DON'T
THINK THAT WILL MESS WITH THE IDEA OF A BUSINESS PLAN.
11:32:47AM >>VIK BHIDE:
SURE.
THE EQUIPMENT LISTED HERE IS A GOOD STARTING POINT.
WE'LL ADD TO THAT.
11:32:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
THEN I HAVE A MOTION AT THE END OF THIS.
11:32:57AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:32:58AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR GOING THROUGH ALL THAT.
COULD YOU CONFIRM -- I'M GOING ON RECOLLECTION, BUT COULD
YOU CONFIRM WHEN THE STORMWATER TAX WAS FIRST PASSED AND
THEN IT WAS INCREASED I THINK AROUND 2016, CAN YOU CONFIRM
WHAT THE YEARS WERE?
11:33:15AM >>VIK BHIDE:
2003 AND FY '16.
LATE 2015.
11:33:22AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING A BUSINESS PLAN
NOW.
DO YOU KNOW IF THERE WAS A BUSINESS PLAN IN 2016 OR 2002?
HAS ANYBODY EVER DONE A PLAN BEFORE?
11:33:34AM >>VIK BHIDE:
I'M NOT AWARE.
I'D HAVE TO FIND OUT.
11:33:38AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WOULD ASK, MAYBE MS. KOPESKY, I DON'T KNOW
IF WE NEED A MOTION, I WOULD ASK SOMEBODY, MAYBE MS. KOPESKY
TO GO BACK TO 2002, MAYBE THE YEAR BEFORE TO SHOW US I GUESS
THAT IT WAS ZERO AND 2002 WHAT THE STORMWATER TAX WAS ALL
THOSE YEARS.
I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY CAN PROVIDE BIG BUCKETS ON WHAT IT
WAS USED FOR, BUT WE HAVE SINCE 2016 IN PARTICULAR, THAT ONE
WAS VERY CONTROVERSIAL.
I THINK THE PUBLIC EXPECTED AT A MINIMUM THAT BIG BUCKETS
WOULD BE SPENT ON MAINTENANCE.
IT WOULD BE INTERESTING JUST TO SEE THAT.
SHOULD I MAKE A MOTION TO ASK FOR THAT?
11:34:21AM >> SURE.
11:34:22AM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST A MOTION TO ASK MS. KOPESKY TO TALK TO
WORK WITH THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT TO JUST DO A TIMELINE OF
THE STORMWATER REVENUES AND BIG BUCKETS OF EXPENDITURES
SINCE 2001 JUST SO WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND THEN MAYBE YOU
COULD GIVE IT TO US AS A WRITTEN REPORT WE WERE IT'S READY.
11:34:48AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ADDRESS THE MOTION BEFORE YOU GO ON.
11:34:52AM >>VIK BHIDE:
MAY I REQUEST A MODIFICATION?
ALSO INCLUDE REVENUE AND FINANCE BECAUSE THAT --
11:34:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
OKAY.
INCLUDE REVENUE AND FINANCE.
11:34:59AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THAT SECOND WAS BY HURTAK.
ANY DISCUSSION?
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
11:35:05AM >> AYE.
11:35:05AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ANY OPPOSED?
11:35:09AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.
AND THEN I WONDER, I ALSO MENTIONED EARLIER THE IDEA OF A
MULTI-DEPARTMENT TASK FORCE THAT WOULD LOOK AT ALL THESE
THINGS IN AN INTEGRATED WAY.
PEOPLE ARE REBUILDING THEIR HOUSES, IF THEY ARE NOT BUILDING
THEM UP TO FEMA STANDARDS, WE'LL END UP HAVING TO SPEND A
LOT OF MONEY.
OTHER CITIES ARE DOING THINGS LIKE PROVIDING $400,000 GRANTS
TO PEOPLE CAN RAISE THEIR HOUSES EIGHT FEET.
I'M CONCERNED THAT THERE MIGHT BE, IF YOU LOOK AT OVER THE
LONG RUN, THERE MIGHT BE RELATIVELY INEXPENSIVE SOLUTIONS
THAT WE COULD DO BESIDES THE MULTIMILLION DOLLAR BIG
PROJECTS TAKE YEARS TO IMPLEMENT.
I KNOW, MR. BHIDE, YOU'RE LEAVING SOON.
IS THERE ANY FINAL ADVICE YOU HAVE ON THIS OR ANY INSIGHT
INTO WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS PLANNING IN THIS REGARD?
IF YOU WERE SITTING WHERE WE ARE, WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND
AT THIS POINT?
11:36:12AM >>VIK BHIDE:
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.
THANK YOU.
FIRST AND OBVIOUS ONE IS RESOURCES.
SO BOTH ON MAINTENANCE AS WELL AS CAPITAL, WE NEED MORE
RESOURCES.
I KNOW WE'RE DISCUSSING MAINTENANCE, AND MAINTENANCE IS
CRITICAL.
I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT IF WE LOOK AT AN INVENTORY OF
OUR ASSETS AND THAT INVENTORY HAS JUST BEEN SHARED WITH
MS. KOPESKY, YOU WILL SEE THAT WE HAVE LEGACY
INFRASTRUCTURE.
WHY IT MATTERS, IT'S NOT JUST AGE.
30, 40, 50 YEARS AGO, INFRASTRUCTURE WAS DESIGNED FOR
DIFFERENT STORM CONDITIONS AND DIFFERENT LEVELS OF
DEVELOPMENT.
AND IF THAT UNDERLYING INFRASTRUCTURE, IF THE SKELETON,
FULL, OR THE NERVOUS SYSTEM OF THE BODY IS WEAK TO BEGIN
WITH, WHAT YOU EAT OR THAT NOURISHMENT ALONE IS NOT GOING TO
BE ENOUGH IF THAT'S MAINTENANCE.
YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO CHANGE THE BONES OF THE SYSTEM.
THAT IS, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, TAKES LONGER.
COSTS MORE.
BUT IT IS NECESSARY.
WE ONLY SERIOUSLY STARTED INVESTING IN CAPITAL ASSETS SINCE
FY '16, 2015, WHEN THAT IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT WAS PUT IN
PLACE, AND WE SEE THAT THOSE PROJECTS HAVE YIELDED BENEFITS.
SO WE NEED THAT.
ULTIMATELY THAT IS THE SOLUTION TO MODERNIZE.
OTHERWISE WE'RE REALLY WORKING WITH OUTDATED TECHNOLOGY THAT
DOES NOT FIT TODAY'S CONTEXT AND WE'RE PUTTING BAND-AIDS ON
IT.
WE NEED MORE MAINTENANCE.
NO DOUBT.
OUR TEAM WORKS SIX DAYS A WEEK RIGHT NOW.
THEY WORK VERY HARD.
WE SPENT OUR ENTIRE BUDGET.
WE GET AUDITED AND LET US GET AUDITED.
THAT'S WONDERFUL.
BUT CLEARLY, THAT'S NOT ENOUGH.
YOU'RE HEARING THAT FROM THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
SO THERE HAS TO BE A REAL DISCUSSION ABOUT, WELL, WHAT DO WE
DO ABOUT IT?
IT'S GOING TO BE A DIFFICULT DISCUSSION BECAUSE IF WE REALLY
LOOK AT THE RESOURCES NEEDED, SIMILAR TO PAVING, DO ADDRESS
SOME OF THESE CHALLENGES, IT'S GOING TO BE BIGGER NUMBERS.
BUT THERE'S NOT ANY EASIER PATH FORWARD GIVEN THE HEADWINDS
THAT WE FACE FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT AND INVESTMENT
IS THE REAL ANSWER IF WE WANT TO ADDRESS THE REAL PROBLEM.
11:38:46AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MR. BHIDE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS JUST ABOUT THE PERSONNEL.
THE SIX DAYS A WEEK IS THAT A STAGGERED WORKFORCE OR ARE
THEY BEING PAID OVER TIME?
11:38:56AM >>VIK BHIDE:
WE'RE USING OVERTIME, AND WE START WITH
VOLUNTARY, BUT DEPENDING ON THE JOBS AT TIMES WE HAVE TO
INSIST THAT TEAMS COME IN TO DO WHAT OUR ROLES ARE.
11:39:06AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IS THIS CONSIDERED A HIGH PRIORITY,
PERIOD, FOR INSISTING?
11:39:12AM >>VIK BHIDE:
THIS IS A HIGH PRIORITY AS LEAST THROUGH AS
MUCH AS WE CAN DO.
SO LONG AS IT IS NOT RAINING, WE'LL KEEP WORKING THROUGH
THIS.
WE ALSO ADDED A THIRD SHIFT FOR STORM RESPONSES.
WE USED TO HAVE TWO SHIFTS.
NOW WE HAVE A THIRD SHIFT PRIMARILY BECAUSE WE HAVE
AFTERNOON STORMS AND WE NEED PEOPLE AFTER THAT.
WE CAN'T USE OVERTIME BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE BEST
UTILIZATION OF RESOURCES.
I PERSONALLY HAVE SAT DOWN WITH BRIAN AND JT, WHO IS OUR
STORMWATER CHIEF, AND THE ENTIRE STORMWATER TEAM, AND WE'VE
TALKED ABOUT THESE PRIORITIES.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT REAL CHALLENGES THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS.
REAL CHALLENGES THAT THEY HAVE AROUND RESOURCES.
I THINK THE TEAM UNDERSTANDS THE MISSION.
THEY NEED HELP.
11:40:03AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OKAY.
BASED ON THE OVER-TIME, THE FTE SHORTAGE WOULD BE WHAT IN
TERMS OF PERSONNEL?
HOW MANY PEOPLE WE WOULD NEED RIGHT NOW --
11:40:13AM >>VIK BHIDE:
I DON'T HAVE EXACT NUMBERS, BUT THERE ARE TWO
TYPES OF CHALLENGES.
ONE IS TURNOVER.
FOR WHATEVER REASON, NEW PEOPLE THAT COME IN MAY OR MAY NOT
STAY AS LONG.
SHARING FACTS AS THEY ARE.
AND THERE ARE OTHER TYPES OF OPPORTUNITIES AND JOBS FOR
PEOPLE AS WELL.
THAT'S ONE PART OF IT.
OVERALL, WE DO NEED MORE PERSONNEL.
11:40:42AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WHAT IS THE DESCRIPTION OF THE BASIC JOB
FUNCTION FOR STORMWATER STAFF IN THIS REGARD FOR
MAINTENANCE?
11:40:48AM >>VIK BHIDE:
WE HAVE LEVELS OF TECHNICIANS.
IT BEGINS AT TECH 1.
11:40:52AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WHAT DOES THAT REQUIRE?
THAT IS THE ONLY ONE I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT, GET ONE ON BOARD.
11:40:58AM >>VIK BHIDE:
RIGHT NOW ALL IT REQUIRES IS A HIGH SCHOOL
DIPLOMA.
THE REASON IS THERE USED TO BE OTHER REQUIREMENTS IN THE
PAST.
WE REMOVED THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
MY INSTRUCTION TO THE TEAM WAS LET'S HIRE BASICALLY
DISPOSITION, ATTITUDE, AND WILLINGNESS TO DO THE JOB, AND WE
WILL TRAIN THEM ONCE THEY COME ON BOARD.
THAT'S NOT REQUIRED TRAINING IN ADVANCE.
JUST HIRE FOR THE RIGHT TYPE OF ATTITUDE AND TRAIN THEM ONCE
THEY ARE ON.
WE HAVE THIS CHALLENGE WITH CDLs AS WELL, AND WE'RE
WORKING WITH HR AND WE'RE WORKING WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS,
RISK AND ALL, AROUND THAT ALSO.
BECAUSE THAT CDL REQUIREMENT, FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME
MEANT WE GOT A LOT OF TRUCK DRIVERS WANTING TO WORK BUT THEY
DIDN'T WANT TO DO THE OTHER WORK AS WELL.
SO IT WAS HARD TO KEEP THEM ON.
AGAIN, IF WE COULD GET RID OF THE REQUIREMENT, HIRE THE
RIGHT PEOPLE THAT WANT TO DO THE WORK AND WE'LL TRAIN THEM.
IT WILL BE A HIGHER COST IN THE SHORT TERM, BUT REPLACING AN
EMPLOYEE IS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.
THE MOST EXPENSIVE PART OF OUR BUSINESS IN OPERATIONS AND
MAINTENANCE IS ROLLING A TRUCK.
11:42:10AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
HOW MUCH DOES THIS AMAZING JOB PAY AT A
LEVEL ONE?
11:42:15AM >>VIK BHIDE:
SO SINCE MAYOR CASTOR INCREASED SALARIES AND
SHE CAME IN, OUR PAYS ARE PRETTY COMPETITIVE.
THEY ARE NOT FOR A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA AND MINIMAL
EXPERIENCE, IT'S ABOUT 40 SOMETHING THOUSAND A YEAR.
BUT THAT'S JUST STARTING.
AND IT COMES WITH BENEFITS AS WELL.
AND THEN IT SCALES UP FROM THERE.
WE HAVE TECH 3s RIGHT NOW THAT MAKE SIX FIGURES BECAUSE
THEY HAVE EARNED IT.
THAT'S HOW OUR SYSTEM IS DESIGNED.
IF YOU WORK LONGER, YOU ACCRUE THOSE COST-OF-LIVING
INCREASES AS YOU SHOULD.
11:42:49AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
LAST QUESTION, ARE WE CURRENTLY ADVERTISING THE NEED FOR
TEXT?
11:42:56AM >>VIK BHIDE:
YES.
WE ARE ALWAYS HIRING.
THANKFULLY OUR CURRENT VACANCY RATE FOR STORMWATER
OPERATIONS ISN'T VERY HIGH.
WE'VE HIRED ON A FEW FOLKS.
SO I THINK WE'VE GOT ONLY A FEW VACANCIES RIGHT NOW, BUT THE
TURNOVER IS THE BIGGER CHALLENGE FOR US.
AND THIS IS INDUSTRYWIDE.
IT'S NOT UNIQUE TO US.
11:43:16AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OKAY.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:43:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I FORGOT TO ASK ABOUT THIS, BUT YOU REMINDED ME WHEN YOU
WERE TALKING ABOUT THE CDL.
I DO BELIEVE THAT THAT'S PART OF WHY WE ARE USING OUR
STORMWATER TO DO PARADE SETUP.
SO COULD YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT?
BECAUSE WHAT I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO KNOW IS HOW MUCH IT
WOULD COST TO BE ABLE TO CONTRACT THOSE FOLKS OUT.
I REALLY WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT AND THE PUBLIC WANTS TO SEE
THAT AS PART OF THE '26 BUDGET BECAUSE WE'LL WILLINGLY FUND
THAT SO THAT OUR STORMWATER PEOPLE CAN BE DOING WHAT THEY
NEED TO DO DURING THE HEIGHT OF THE DRY SEASON.
11:44:04AM >>VIK BHIDE:
COMPLETELY AGREE.
THAT IS BEING WORKED WITH TPD AND THE ADMINISTRATION RIGHT
NOW AS I UNDERSTAND IT THROUGH THE FY '26 BUDGET CYCLE.
IT WILL BE DISCUSSED IN THE WORKSHOPS AS WELL.
I DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC COSTS.
WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT THE NEED FOR SECURITY, VALID NEED FOR
SECURITY THROUGH SOME OF THESE EVENTS HAS INCREASED.
SO THIS IS A VERY TIMELY DISCUSSION.
11:44:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GOOD.
EXCELLENT.
I HAVE A MOTION.
I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT MOBILITY STAFF HAS DONE
TO PRESENT THIS AS OTHER MEMBERS HAVE SAID.
THIS IS REALLY WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING FOR RIGHT NOW.
I KNOW IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED.
BUT PEOPLE ARE REALLY WANTING TO KNOW WHAT'S BEING DONE.
I DO APPRECIATE THE AGREEMENT FOR LEVEL OF DETAIL.
FOLKS ARE REALLY SCARED RIGHT NOW.
THE FIRST RAINFALL A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, WE GOT PEOPLE VERY
UPSET CALLING US REALLY WORRIED.
I KNOW THAT YOU'RE GETTING THOSE SAME PHONE CALLS.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT BECAUSE THIS RIGHT
NOW, I DON'T EXPECT THIS TO GO ON FOREVER BUT FOR A WHILE
LONGER, THESE MONTHLY REPORTS HELP CONNECT US AND THE PEOPLE
TO WHAT'S GOING ON AND THEY REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
I GET A LOT OF THANKS FOR WHAT YOU'RE PUTTING OUT HERE AND
FOR THE WORK OF YOUR TEAM.
BUT TO RESPECT STAFF'S TIME, I WOULD LIKE MS. KOPESKY, CITY
BUDGET ANALYST TO CREATE SCHEDULES REFLECTING THE EQUIPMENT
IN SERVICE USED TO SUPPORT STORMWATER MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES
ALONG WITH THE ASSOCIATED AGE FOR EACH ASSET AND A SUMMARY
OF STORMWATER MAINTENANCE EXPENSES BY VENDOR FOR 2024 AND
2025 YEAR TO DATE.
MY MOTION IS THAT STAFF WORK WITH THE CITY COUNCIL BUDGET
ANALYST TO COMPLETE THESE SCHEDULES REFERENCED ABOVE AND BE
AVAILABLE TO VERIFY THE ACCURACY OF THE DATA AND TO ANSWER
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE MOTION ON JULY
31st, 2025.
11:46:04AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IS THERE DISCUSSION?
11:46:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THIS I WORKED WITH MS. KOPESKY ON.
SO SHE IS AWARE OF IT.
WE DO HAVE -- WE ARE LIMITED -- ACTUALLY, WHAT I CAN DO IS I
CAN REQUEST THIS AS A STAFF REPORT ON JULY 31st.
I CAN WORK WITH YOUR TEAM TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND THEN IF THERE ARE MORE REPORTS, WE CAN REPORT IT OUT AT
ANOTHER MEETING.
11:46:29AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ANY DISCUSSION?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:46:45AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M FINE.
11:46:46AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OKAY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
11:46:49AM >> AYE.
11:46:52AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS IT A WRITTEN REPORT?
11:46:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I CHANGED IT TO WRITTEN BECAUSE OF THAT.
I WILL PUT THAT ON THERE.
AGAIN, I'LL WORK WITH MS. KOPESKY AND STAFF SO IF WE NEED TO
CHANGE ANYTHING.
11:47:04AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
11:47:12AM >> AYE.
11:47:12AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
THANK YOU.
NOW WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS AREA, STARTING WITH
MS. CANNELLA.
OR MS. BULLOCK.
I APOLOGIZE.
11:47:45AM >> BEAR WITH ME, I HAVE PICTURES.
11:48:17AM >> I THINK YOU ALL KNOW MY NAME.
11:48:32AM >> YOU HAVE TO STATE IT FOR THE RECORD.
11:48:33AM >> MY NAME IS PAM CANNELLA.
I SENT A LETTER OF CONCERN TO THE DEP ABOUT THE LACK OF
MAINTENANCE IN OUR RETENTION PONDS AND STORM DRAINS
CONTAINING POLLUTANTS.
NOW, YOU GOT THE ANSWER THAT I GOT FROM THE CITY TO THEM.
I WANT TO START AT THE BOTTOM WHERE IT SAYS NO ASPHALT
RELATED DAMAGE OR DEBRIS WAS OBSERVED WITHIN THE STORMWATER
INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THERE IT IS.
THIS IS ALL ASPHALT.
NOT TO MENTION THAT YELLOW STRIP OF PLASTIC THAT IS LEFT
THERE.
PLEASE PUT THE SECOND ONE.
THIS IS A COUPLE OF DAYS LATER, AND THERE IS THE SAME DRAIN,
AND THIS IS ALL IN HYDE PARK, AND WE HAVE MORE ASPHALT.
THE OTHER ASPHALT THAT YOU SAW ON THE CURB IS INSIDE THE
WATER DRAIN WITH A LITTLE PLASTIC YELLOW THERE THAT YOU
COULD SEE.
SO THERE IS MY PROOF.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CITY LOOKED AT, BUT THEY DIDN'T
LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE SEEN WHAT I SAW.
LET'S GO WITH NUMBER TWO.
I SENT IT TO THE CITY.
THEY LOOKED IN IT AND SAID THERE WAS NOTHING THERE.
LET ME READ IT TO YOU.
THE CITY OF TAMPA MOBILITY DEPARTMENT STORMWATER OPERATION
STAFF INVESTIGATED THE AREA OF CONCERN AND AFTER A THOROUGH
FIELD ASSESSMENT, NO ISSUES WERE OBSERVED ON-SITE.
IT'S RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN THE FOLLOWING STORMWATER INVENTORY WAS INSPECTED
WITH STAFF FINDING DETAILS BELOW.
SO THE STORM DRAINS, THE CATCH BASINS, IT'S ALL THERE.
LET'S SHOW THE PICTURE.
HERE IS SWANN POND AND HERE IS ALL THE GARBAGE.
THE TRASH.
YOU CAN SEE THE WATER IS GREEN.
HASN'T BEEN CLEANED.
I PUT IN A REQUEST, I GOT A NUMBER.
I ASKED FOR SOMEBODY TO CALL ME.
TWO WEEKS LATER I'M STILL WAITING.
PLEASE PUT THE SECOND ONE.
THERE IS MORE OF THE SWANN POND.
IT'S A MESS.
STILL HASN'T BEEN CLEANED.
IT LOOKS LIKE THAT TODAY BECAUSE I WALKED IT.
PLEASE GO ON.
AND THIS IS THE LAST ONE.
THIS IS THE ONE ON AUDUBON, HORATIO, AND ARMENIA.
THAT BIG POND OUT THERE.
LOOK AT ALL THE TRASH.
BUT THEY TELL ME THERE'S NO TRASH.
AND ALL THAT TRASH GOES IN THE DRAIN AND I WALKED IT.
THAT DRAIN OVER THERE IN THE CORNER, YOU CAN SEE THE LEVEL
AND YOU HAVE PICTURES TO PROVE IT, THAT ONE LITTLE BIT OF
RAIN AND IT ALL FILLED UP AND ALL THAT GARBAGE WENT INTO THE
DRAINS.
IT ALL FLOODED ON HORATIO AND ALL COMES DOWN AUDUBON.
IT'S ALL FLOODED.
THEY ALL HAVE TRASH IN THEM AND WHATEVER.
THEY HAVE NOT BEEN CLEANED EVEN THOUGH THE CITY MOBILITY
SAYS IT HAS.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
I'M TIRED.
11:51:37AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
MS. BULLOCK.
11:51:41AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:51:41AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
11:51:41AM >> THANK YOU, MR. BHIDE.
11:51:47AM >> HI.
VALERIE BULLOCK.
I WAS SITTING BACK THERE BRAINSTORMING.
I GOT A GOOD IDEA FOR EAST TAMPA.
WE ALREADY HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD ENHANCEMENT PROGRAM.
THOSE GUYS, THEY DRIVE THOSE BIG TRUCKS, SO THEY ALREADY
KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT, CDL, SOMETHING
LIKE THAT.
BUT MAYBE WE CAN HIRE THEM FOR STORMWATER AND THEN WE CAN
JUST REPLACE OUR GUYS FROM EAST TAMPA.
AND IT IS A LOT OF PEOPLE IN EAST TAMPA THAT'S LOOKING FOR
JOBS.
SO IF WE DON'T DO THAT, MAYBE WE CAN DO A TRAINING PROGRAM
WITH STORMWATER BECAUSE IT'S BASICALLY YOU'RE DOING LAWN
SERVICE, BUT YOU STEP IT UP A LITTLE BIT AND LEARN HOW TO
DRIVE THE FORKLIFT, BACKHOE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT PARTNERSHIP.
THANK YOU.
11:52:41AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU, MS. BULLOCK, FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
MS. SANCHEZ, ARE YOU PASSING?
WHAT ABOUT YOU, MS. POYNOR?
YOU'RE ON THIS ITEM AS WELL.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING.
AND MR. MICHELINI, YOU'RE NEXT.
AFTER MS. POYNOR.
AND THEN MS. FERRELLI.
11:53:22AM >> GOOD MORNING.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
GOOD MORNING.
IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY ALREADY, HASN'T IT?
I JUST WANTED TO LOOK AND SEE IF THERE WERE ANY LISTINGS FOR
STORMWATER ON THE PAGE.
WE HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE, OH, WE'RE ADVERTISING ALL THE
TIME.
BUT THEN WHEN YOU LOOK UP CITY OF TAMPA JOBS, IS THERE
ANYTHING FOR STORMWATER ON HERE?
I'M LOOKING AND SAYING, MMM, MAYBE NOT.
I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I DON'T SEE IT.
I ALWAYS WANT TO POINT THAT OUT.
I MEAN, IT MIGHT BE UNDER SOMETHING THAT I'M NOT SEEING, BUT
I DON'T KNOW.
I WANTED TO SHOW YOU GUYS THIS MAP BECAUSE THIS IS PROBABLY
PRETTY INTERESTING TO MOST OF YOU.
LOOK, THEY MADE THE MAP -- THEY LABELED IT JUST FOR ME.
ANYWAY.
THANK YOU CCTV PEOPLE.
WHEN I MET WITH THE GUYS, BLACK & VEATCH, WHATEVER THEIR
NAME IS, THEY TOLD ME THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA DOES NOT HAVE
THE TECHNOLOGY TO DO THIS FOR THE CITY.
WHAT IS THE TECHNOLOGY?
AND THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND SHOULD BE ABLE TO
TELL US WHERE EVERYBODY IS AT.
I'M REALLY KIND OF CONCERNED BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THAT ON
HERE AND MR. BHIDE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SHOW IT TO YOU.
I DON'T SEE THAT IT SAYS STORMWATER TECH OR ROAD TECH OR
ANYTHING LIKE THAT ON THE LIST.
I JUST STARTED LOG IT UP WHEN YOU CALLED MY NAME.
OH, WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE.
WE'VE HAD PEOPLE SAY, OH, WELL, WE HAVE TO GET THESE PEOPLE
IN HERE TO GO TO WORK AND THEN THERE'S NO ADVERTISEMENTS FOR
THEM.
GO FIGURE.
DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE TO ME.
I WOULD THINK, ONCE AGAIN, YOU'RE TELLING ME YOUR
UNDERSTAFFED BUT YET SPENDING 28 DAYS OF THE YEAR DOING
SOMETHING BESIDES STORMWATER.
SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE NEED TO REPRIORITIZE WHERE OUR
STORMWATER DEPARTMENT IS WORKING.
MR. BHIDE CAME IN HERE AND SAID THAT WE PULLED 11 PEOPLE OFF
THE STORMWATER FUND, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO REPAY THE
STORMWATER FUND.
WE ONLY GET 25 MILLION A YEAR.
SO IF YOU TAKE ONE, TWO MILLION, WHATEVER IT IS, BECAUSE IT
WAS DIFFERENT PRICES.
I DON'T REMEMBER FROM THE BUDGET MEETING, EVERYBODY SHOULD
HAVE BEEN IN THE BUDGET MEETING LAST WEEK, MR. BHIDE AND YOU
DID A GREAT JOB TALKING TO US ABOUT STORMWATER, BUT I STILL
HAVE A BIG ISSUE WITH PULLING THEM OFF STORMWATER FOR --
THAT IS A WHOLE MONTH THAT THEY ARE NOT DOING THEIR JOBS.
I WOULD ALSO OFFER, IS THAT MISAPPROPRIATION OF FUNDS?
IF YOU ARE BEING PAID FOR BY MY TAX DOLLARS THAT ARE BEING
PAID FOR STORMWATER AND YOU'RE DOING PARADE WORK, IS THAT
APPROPRIATE?
I DON'T KNOW.
I JUST WORK HERE.
11:56:11AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MR. MICHELINI.
THANK YOU, MS. POYNOR.
11:56:18AM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
IT'S CLEAR THAT THE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY.
THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF FOR ACTUAL FIELD WORK AND THEY
DON'T HAVE ENOUGH EQUIPMENT.
IF YOU HAVE ONE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT BREAK DOWN AND YOU CAN'T
DO ANYTHING IN THE CITY, THAT'S UNCONSCIONABLE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET TO THAT POINT.
WE NEED TO PROVIDE ENOUGH FIELD EMPLOYEES, NOT SUPERVISORS
AND PLANNERS.
AND THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE THAT IT WAS A DISPROPORTIONAL
NUMBER OF PLANNERS IN AN ADMIN STAFF VERSUS ACTUAL FIELD
WORKERS.
I THINK THAT WHEN YOU'RE ASKING MS. KOPESKY TO LOOK AT THAT,
THAT YOU MIGHT BE LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL.
GETTING THE JOB DONE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, WHETHER
MAINTENANCE OR INSTALLATION.
VIK HAS TOLD YOU, THE NEIGHBORS HAVE TOLD YOU, I'VE SAID IT
TO YOU.
YOU CAN'T GET THE JOB DONE IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE AND
DON'T HAVE THE EQUIPMENT.
PROVIDE THE FIELD EMPLOYEES AND PROVIDE THE EQUIPMENT,
WHETHER YOU HAVE TO LEASE IT AND WE'RE GOING INTO A
STORMWATER -- YOU KNOW, A PERIOD OF TIME THAT'S COMING UP.
WE CAN'T GET THE JOB DONE AND WE'RE FOCUSING ON NORTH TAMPA.
SOUTH TAMPA IS THE ONE THAT HAD MOST OF THE FLOODING,
ALTHOUGH THERE WAS SOME IN NORTH TAMPA TOO.
WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN TO IT.
WE'LL GET TO IT NEXT.
THE NEXT DOESN'T CUT IT.
PALMA CEIA PINES, PARKLAND.
YOU HAD NEW SUBURB BEAUTIFUL AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GO,
EXCEPT YOU'LL HAVE TO COMMIT THE FUNDS TO DO IT.
$25 MILLION THAT'S SITTING THERE IN THE STORMWATER BUDGET
NEEDS TO BE ALLOCATED CORRECTLY.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE ALLOCATIONS ARE, BUT WE NEED TO FOCUS
ON FIELD WORK, EQUIPMENT, AND GETTING THE JOB DONE IN THE
FIELD.
MS. CANNELLA POINTED OUT THE MAINTENANCE.
I SHOWED YOU THE SAME PICTURES OF THE SWANN POND, AGAIN,
LOOK AFTER THOSE FINES, CREATE A TIP LINE.
YOU HAVE IT FOR OTHER THINGS.
WHY NOT CREATE A TIP LINE FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE DUMPING TRASH
AND DEBRIS INTO THE STORMWATER SYSTEM?
TAKE A PICTURE.
IT'S SIMPLE.
YOU SEE THEM DOING IT, YOU MAY NOT WANT TO CONFRONT THEM,
BUT TAKE A PICTURE OF THEIR LICENSE PLATE OR THE TRUCK OR
WHATEVER THEY ARE USING AND TURN THEM IN.
YOU NEED TO AGGRESSIVELY GO AFTER THIS.
EVERYONE IS IN DANGER WHEN YOU DESTROY THAT SYSTEM.
I APPRECIATE IT.
WHEN YOU HAVE THE BUSINESSES, YOU HAVE THE NEIGHBORHOODS,
YOU HAVE THE RESIDENTS ALL SAYING THE SAME THING, TAKE IT --
AND I THINK IT'S VALID.
11:59:12AM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU, MR. MICHELINI.
MS. FERRELLI, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS?
OKAY.
SO WE ARE CLOSING OUT MOBILITY'S REPORT.
LET ME HIT MY LITTLE BUTTON HERE.
YES, MA'AM.
I'M SORRY, MS. TATE.
I WILL ACCEPT THAT YOU CAN SPEAK.
YOU DID NOT.
I KNOW FOR THAT ONE, BUT YOU WANT IT SPEAK?
11:59:49AM >> JUST A MINUTE.
MR. BHIDE LEFT BUT $1,666.67 -- FRAN TATE, JACKSON HEIGHTS
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND COMMUNITY SAFETY WATCH
PRESIDENT.
PRO TEM CHAIR, CHAIR PRO TEM AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, I JUST
WANTED MR. BHIDE -- HE'S GONE -- HE HAS A TURNOVER RATE WITH
TECH ONE POSITION, $1,666.67 BIWEEKLY.
THAT'S PROBABLY WHY HE HAS A TURNOVER RATE.
HOW CAN YOU LIVE ON ONE THOUSAND -- AND THAT'S BEFORE TAXES.
SALARY INCREASE IS NEEDED DEPENDING ON WHATEVER THEY ARE
DOING, SALARY INCREASES NEEDED.
I'LL TELL MR. BHIDE, CAN I REPEAT MYSELF?
I HAVE THREE MINUTES.
$1,666.66 BIWEEKLY BEFORE TAXES FOR TECH ONE.
MR. BHIDE, THAT COULD ALSO BE A PART OF THE REASON THAT YOU
HAVE A TURNOVER RATE WITH YOUR TECH ONE EMPLOYEES.
THANK YOU.
12:01:04PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
OKAY.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5 IS THE STAFF TO DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY
OF CREATING A CITY FUND.
THIS IS MR. CARLSON.
YOU WANT TO KICK IT OFF OR SAY SOMETHING?
MR. BRODY IS HERE.
12:01:21PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SET IT UP.
I APOLOGIZE, MR. BRODY AND I WERE PLAYING PHONE TAG
YESTERDAY.
THE IDEA HERE IS THAT THERE ARE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT HAVE
BOUGHT PROPERTY NOT KNOWING THAT THERE MIGHT BE GRAVES ON
THERE AND THEN SUDDENLY THERE IS A SUSPICION THAT THERE ARE
GRAVES.
THERE ARE TWO COSTS THAT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE.
ONE IS TO SEARCH, USE THE GROUND PENETRATING RADAR TO
SEARCH.
THE SECOND THING IS IF GRAVES ARE FOUND, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE
PROPERTY?
IDEALLY THE CITY WOULD HAVE A FUND TO EITHER RELOCATE THE
GRAVES OR TO PROTECT THEM AND BUY THAT PROPERTY.
EXAMPLES RECENTLY, A JEWISH ORGANIZATION WAS LOOKING TO BUY
A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WAS SUSPECTED TO HAVE GRAVES ON IT.
A RESTAURANT OWNER HAD A BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY WORTH A LOT
OF MONEY THAT HAD GRAVES ON IT.
THAT PARTICULAR OWNER DECIDED I THINK TO DONATE THE LAND BUT
NOT EVERYBODY CAN AFFORD TO DONATE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH
OF LAND.
SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHEN SBP WAS BEING BUILT, IT WAS
DISCOVERED THAT THE FORT BROOKE GRAVE WAS UNDERNEATH THE
EXPRESSWAY AUTHORITY, AND SBP PAID A LOT OF MONEY, WORKED
WITH THE SEMINOLE TRIBE TO MOVE SOME OF THE GRAVES BUT
PRESUMABLY STILL GRAVES UNDERNEATH THE EXPRESSWAY THERE.
THE QUESTION IS, HOW DO WE -- WHAT ROLE CAN THE CITY PLAY?
BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY CAN AFFORD TO PAY FOR GROUND
PENETRATING RADAR.
NOT EVERYBODY CAN AFFORD TO GIVE UP THEIR LAND.
IS THERE A ROLE THE CITY CAN PLAY TO HELP SUBSIDIZE THAT?
ESPECIALLY FOR THE SMALLER NONPROFITS, RELIGIOUS GROUPS,
ET CETERA?
12:03:08PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MR. BRODY.
12:03:09PM >>CARL BRODY:
CARL BRODY FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
IF I CAN BACK UP A LITTLE BIT, I WOULD LIKE TO GO OVER, FOR
THE RECORD, THE BACKGROUND ON ALL THIS.
THIS IS A PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS ISSUE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT
BEFORE.
WE CANNOT REQUIRE A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER TO ALLOW US
ON-SITE THAT'S REALLY THE GENESIS OF WHY WE ARE TALKING
ABOUT THE ISSUE TODAY.
I ALSO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THERE ARE A COUPLE OF STATUTORY
PROVISIONS OUT THERE THAT WE CAN USE TO HELP MOVE THIS
ALONG.
ONE I TALKED TO MOST OF YOU SEVERAL TIMES IS A BILL UP A
COUPLE OF YEARS AGO THAT WOULD HAVE AUTHORIZED THE STATE TO
GO ON-SITE IN THESE KIND OF SCENARIOS WHERE THERE'S BELIEVED
TO BE A BURIAL SITE.
IT WOULD HAVE ALLOWED THE STATE TO GO ON AND HAVE AN
EASEMENT TO DO A SEARCH TO DETERMINE IF THAT IS ACCURATE OR
NOT, IF THERE IS SOMETHING THERE OR NOT.
I THINK I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL OF YOU POSSIBLY DOING WHAT WE
CAN TO GET THAT MOVING FORWARD.
WE ALSO HAVE A LAW ON THE BOOKS THAT ALLOWS NEXT OF KIN TO
GO ON-SITE.
THEY HAVE AN EASEMENT RIGHT IF THERE IS A KNOWN CEMETERY.
THE RUB HERE IS YOU HAVE TO KNOW THERE IS A CEMETERY.
GENERALLY THIS IS APPLIED TO WHERE THERE IS A LANDOWNER WHO
IS NOT MAINTAINING THE CEMETERY ABOVEGROUND.
YOU KNOW THE CEMETERY IS THERE.
HE'S NOT MAINTAINING IT AND STATE LAW GIVES RIGHT GO ON,
REQUESTING HE MAINTAINS THE CEMETERY, IF NOT ALLOWS HIM TO
GO AND DO THE MAINTENANCE ON THEIR OWN.
THIS SCENARIO, WE HAVE TO BRIDGE THE GAP TO SHOW WE KNOW
THERE IS A CEMETERY IN PLACE AND THIS WOULD BE A LEGAL
PROCESS THAT COULD BE UNDERTAKEN BY A THIRD PARTY ONE OF THE
ORGANIZATIONS INTERESTED IN THE LOST CEMETERIES.
THAT IS ANOTHER OPTION OUT THERE.
SPECIFICALLY REGARDING FUNDING, THE KEY PRIMARY ISSUE WE'LL
LOOK AT, IS THERE A PUBLIC PURPOSE?
IF WE SHOW THERE IS A PUBLIC PURPOSE, THEN CITY COUNCIL DOES
HAVE AUTHORITY ON THAT END IN TERMS OF INCORPORATING THAT IN
THAT COST.
WE HAVE TO SHOW THERE IS A PUBLIC PURPOSE.
ONCE WE DO THAT, THERE ARE SOME ISSUES THAT WE WANT TO LOOK
AT.
WE WANT TO LOOK AT WHAT SPECIFIC OUTCOMES ARE WE LOOKING
FOR?
I THINK IT'S KIND OF CLEAR WE WANT TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION
IF THERE ARE LOST GRAVES, WHERE THEY MIGHT BE.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.
WE HAVE TO DETERMINE WHO WILL PROVIDE -- HOW WE GO THROUGH
THE PROCESS OF CHOOSING A VENDOR TO PROVIDE THAT GPR
SERVICE, ASSUMING THAT IS THE NEXT STEP.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT, COMPARE THE COST AND IF WE WANT TO PUT A
CAP ON HOW MUCH CITY COUNCIL IS WILLING TO SPEND ON A
PROGRAM LIKE THIS OVERALL.
SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME FACTORS THAT COME TO PLAY.
WE DO KNOW THAT IF WE PROVIDE FUNDING TO THE THIRD-PARTY
ORGANIZATIONS, THE ORGANIZATIONS COME BEFORE US WITH THAT
INTEREST, THAT'S NOT GOING TO DIRECTLY ADDRESS THE CONCERN
BECAUSE THE REAL ISSUE IS GOING TO BE WHETHER THE PRIOR
PROPERTY OWNER IS GOING TO AGREE TO ALLOW THAT ACCESS.
THAT'S WHY WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE GPR OPTIONS, THAT'S THE
RELATIONSHIP THAT NEEDS TO BE CREATED IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT
DETERMINATION.
I THINK THAT KIND OF SPELLS OUT WHERE WE ARE NOW.
PASS IT TO COUNCIL TO DISCUSS, AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY
QUESTIONS.
12:07:15PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:07:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
I MET WITH FLORIDA RISING YESTERDAY AND I SPOKE TO THEIR
GROUP.
I SPOKE TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE NAACP THIS MORNING.
I'VE SPOKEN TO I GUESS THE PRESIDENT OR ONE OF THE LEAD
ORGANIZERS WITH THE CEMETERY SOCIETY.
AND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME NEWS STORIES REGARDING A PARCEL
NEXT TO WOODLAWN CEMETERY, WHICH WOODLAWN IS THE CITY OF
TAMPA CEMETERY.
ABOUT A MONTH AGO, I WAS AT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY FOR ABOUT
TWO HOURS JUST GETTING AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THEY WERE DOING
AND WHAT THEY WERE WORKING ON, AND ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT
CAME UP WAS ZION CEMETERY.
IT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER WILLING TO --
I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS.
THIS IS THE FIRST THAT I KNOW.
WILLING TO DONATE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS A LAND SWAP.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT.
AS I SPOKE WITH FOLKS AND THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR IS HERE
FROM FLORIDA RISING, WHAT AM I WORKING ON?
ONE OF THE THINGS WAS IN REGARDS TO THE CEMETERIES.
I TOUCHED UPON IT FOR A LITTLE BIT YESTERDAY, BUT MY GOAL IS
ONE OF TWO, TO MAKE ZION CEMETERY WHOLE AND THAT THE CITY --
THAT WE COME TO A COMPLETION WITH IT.
ROBLES PARK IN GENERAL HAS THAT BIG MASTER PLAN.
BUT MY GOAL IS TO FIGURE OUT, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE CITY IS
AT REGARDING THE LAND SWAP OR THE DEAL OR WHATEVER THE
NEGOTIATIONS ARE TO FIX AND FINISH ZION AND RESTORE IT TO
WHAT IT WAS.
NUMBER TWO, IN REGARDS TO THE PARCEL ADJACENT TO WOODLAWN,
AND THAT'S BEEN SOMETHING DISCUSSED FOR YEARS ON AND OFF,
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING, AND THIS IS A PUBLIC RECORD, AS I
SPOKE TO SOMEONE WITH THE CEMETERY SOCIETY, SHE ATTACHED --
E-MAIL TO EVERYBODY.
I BELIEVE IT WAS USF REGARDING -- OFF MEMORY, BUT IF YOU
LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL MAPS FROM A HUNDRED YEARS AGO, POTTERS
FIELD IS RIGHT THERE.
DRIVE DOWN BOULEVARD AND THEN WOODLAWN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF
THE FENCE, IT IS A WIDE OPEN AREA.
THAT IS APPARENTLY POTTERS FIELD.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS PARCEL ADJACENT THAT HAS BEEN LISTED
FOR SALE INCLUDES THAT.
THIS IS WHAT I'VE HEARD AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S FURTHER
EVIDENCE, THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE SOMEONE THAT WAS CONNECTED TO
THE ROSEWOOD STORY.
WHEN IT COMES TO BLACK HISTORY, YOU MAY HAVE INDIVIDUALS
THAT ARE BURIED THERE UNMARKED THAT ARE HISTORICALLY
SIGNIFICANT.
MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY AND IT'S IMPORTANT.
I'LL FINISH BY SAYING I REACHED OUT TO THE ADMINISTRATION.
THEY DID NOT WANT TO PURSUE POSSIBLY PURCHASING THIS PARCEL.
SINCE WE HAVE TO BE IN THE SUNSHINE, AS WE GO INTO THE
BUDGET SEASON, PERHAPS LOOKING AT ADDING THAT TO THE BUDGET.
A NUMBER HAS BEEN THROWN OUT FOR WHAT WAS PUBLICLY LISTED
FOR THIS PARCEL OFF BOULEVARD NEXT TO WOODLAWN.
I'D LIKE TO SEE IF COUNCIL WOULD HAVE THE APPETITE IN MOVING
FORWARD, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE BEGIN NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE
PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER IN JUST ACQUIRING THAT.
BECAUSE PER WHAT WAS SAID FROM THE INDIVIDUAL I BELIEVE FROM
USF SAYING THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OF, AND THE ORIGINAL MAP
SHOWED THAT THAT SECTION MAY HAVE, IF IT WAS AFRICAN
AMERICAN BURIALS, WHATEVER IT IS, JUST SO WE CAN PUT THIS TO
REST.
THE CITY HAS A TERRIBLE REPUTATION WHEN IT COMES TO
PROTECTING CEMETERIES, AS WE'VE SEEN IN THE NEWS SEVERAL
YEARS.
MOST RECENTLY WITH MEMORIAL.
I MEAN, THAT WAS ON MLK.
THAT WAS A DEBACLE.
BUT WE'VE WORKED THAT OUT AND NOW IT'S BEING RESTORED AND
GIVEN THE RESPECT THAT IT SHOULD BE.
I WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS.
IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT AS THE BUDGET COMES UP WE CAN SEE
ABOUT ACQUIRING THAT PROPERTY, REACHING OUT.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE BEGIN.
BUT THOSE ARE TWO OF MY GOALS.
FIXING AND FINISHING ZION AND THEN FIGURING OUT WHAT WE DO
WITH THE PARCEL NEXT TO WOODLAWN AND PUTTING IT TO REST.
I THINK AS SO MUCH BLACK HISTORY HAS BEEN ERASED -- I
MENTIONED IT YESTERDAY.
I CAN TALK ABOUT IT FOREVER.
EVEN MY WIFE STUDIES IT.
WE NEED TO PRESERVE AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
AND I THINK THIS WOULD BE A GOOD OPTION MOVING FORWARD.
THANK YOU.
12:11:46PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:11:50PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE NO PLAN.
THAT'S RIGHT NOW.
WE DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MANY PARCELS OF LAND MAY BE UNDER
THIS.
THAT IS THE SECOND ONE.
THE THIRD ONE IS, IT'S CHEAPER TO PASS AND PAY THE MONEY TO
GO OVER AND SEE WHAT'S UNDER THERE THAN TO BUY THE LAND.
THAT'S NUMBER THREE.
FOURTH OF ALL -- ANYTHING SAID, BUT I THINK THE GENERAL
PUBLIC, TAXPAYERS WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE BUYING, IS IT A
CEMETERY OR IS IT NOT A CEMETERY?
YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THESE THINGS ONE STEP AT A TIME.
I DON'T THINK THAT I'M GOING TO BUY A PIECE OF LAND IF I WAS
OUT BUYING A LOT NOW THAT I KNOW POSSIBLY HAS -- IF I
REMEMBER GOING BACK TO THE ASSOCIATION -- I WON'T MENTION
ANY NAMES TO AVOID LAWSUITS -- THAT WAS BOUGHT CLEARLY FOR
THE MEMBERSHIP OF THAT ORGANIZATION TO BE BURIED THERE.
IF I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS A YOUNG KID IN BUSINESS.
BIG IN SHOW BUSINESS, BIG IN AREAS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S UNDER THAT LAND.
I THINK THE PUBLIC OUGHT TO REALIZE BEFORE WE START THINKING
ABOUT BUYING ANYTHING, IS THERE THAT, WHAT WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT, IS IT THERE?
THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
WHO PAYS FOR IT?
THAT'S NUMBER TWO.
WE DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY.
THEY DO.
BUT THEY HAVE A PROBLEM.
THE PROBLEM IS IT'S THEIR LAND.
SO WHOEVER OWNS THAT LAND I THINK HAS TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR
PASSING THE GRID ON IT TO SEE WHAT'S UNDER THERE.
THIS IS NEW.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THERE IS NO PLAN FOR THAT I KNOW THAT
THE CITY HAS HAD UP TO THIS TIME THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
IT, WHAT'S REALLY THERE BEFORE WE CONTINUE TO TALK THIS WAY.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TEN NEW CEMETERIES COME UP AND NOW HAVE
TO BUY TEN CEMETERIES THAT I'M NOT RESPONSIBLE, TALKING
ABOUT THE GENERAL TAXPAYERS.
WE CAN ADDRESS THE PROBLEM ONCE WE FIND OUT WHAT'S THERE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS THERE.
ONLY HEARD GOSSIP, THIS, AND THAT, AND THE OTHER.
I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT.
WE DON'T OWN IT.
IT IS THE SAME THING WE'VE DONE WHEN YOU BUY A HOUSE.
IF I SOLD IT -- I DID IT BUT THEY ARE BLAMING YOU.
THESE ARE THE THINGS GOING IN THE CITY.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT IT BEFORE I CAST A VOTE.
12:14:06PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:14:09PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR THAT UPDATE FROM A LEGAL
PERSPECTIVE.
FIRST OF ALL, TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SAID,
I WISH THE CITY DIDN'T HAVE TO BE IN THE CEMETERY BUSINESS
AT ALL.
SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS
TRANSFERRED OVER TO THE CITY, NOT BY OUR CHOICE, BUT BECAUSE
THE STATE REQUIRES A TRUST FUND TO MAINTAIN THE CEMETERIES
BUT NOT ENOUGH TO EVEN FUND ONE YEAR.
THE CITY IS IN A SITUATION BECAUSE THERE'S NO OTHER
GOVERNMENT AGENCY THAT IS A SAFETY NET FOR CEMETERIES.
IF SOMEBODY -- IF THE PRIVATE SECTOR ABUNDANCE A CEMETERY
AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TRUST FUND, IF WE DON'T TAKE IT OVER
IT WILL END UP LIKE THESE LOST CEMETERIES EVENTUALLY.
I THINK WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION NOT BECAUSE WE THINK THE CITY
SHOULD BE IN THE CEMETERY BUSINESS, BUT BECAUSE THE STATE
DOESN'T REGULATE IT IN THE WAY THEY SHOULD.
THEY SHOULD PUT SOMETHING LIKE TEN YEARS OF MAINTENANCE IN
IT AND MAYBE IN SOME KIND OF FUND THAT WOULD BE RENEWABLE.
SO I WISH THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO TAKE IT OVER BUT THE CITY
RIGHT NOW IS IN THE BEST POSITION TO DO IT AND WE SHOULD.
TO COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO'S POINT, IF HE MAKES A MOTION
TO SUGGEST PUTTING A BUDGET OR AN AMOUNT IN THE BUDGET TO
POTENTIALLY BUY THAT ONE PROPERTY, I WOULD SECOND IT AND
SUPPORT IT.
THE POINT THAT I WAS MAKING IN THIS MOTION IS IF -- THINK
ABOUT WHEN THESE CEMETERIES WERE BUILT ON, MANY OF THEM WERE
80 OR A HUNDRED YEARS AGO.
NOW SEVERAL OWNERS SINCE THEN.
THE NEW OWNERS, IF NOBODY DISCLOSES IT, THEY HAVE NO IDEA IT
IS THERE.
THE NEW OWNERS BUY IT, NONPROFIT, FOR PROFIT, RELIGIOUS
ORGANIZATIONS NOT KNOWING THERE ARE CEMETERIES ON THERE.
BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU SAID WITH THE LAW, THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED
TO ALLOW US TO COME ON.
SO THE WHOLE IDEA HERE IS IF WE CAN'T JUST GO ON THERE AND
LOOK FOR GRAVES AND THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO DO IT, AND THEY
MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT, WE CAN PROVIDE AN INCENTIVE.
I WOULD SUGGEST MAYBE LIKE A $500,000 FUND TO FUND GROUND
PENETRATING RADAR FOR PLACES WE SUSPECT.
AGAIN, THEY'LL HAVE TO AGREE TO ALLOW US TO DO IT.
I DON'T KNOW THE COST, BUT $50,000 TO SEARCH THAT, IF A
SMALL NONPROFIT, RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION DOESN'T HAVE THE
MONEY TO DO IT, WE CAN SAY WE'LL PAY FOR IT AND DO THE
GROUND PENETRATING RADAR.
THE ISSUE IS WHAT HAPPENS IF WE FIND SOMETHING?
DO WE TRY TO RELOCATE THEM OR SAY WE'LL BUY THE SPACE, 10%
OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY, DOES THE CITY COME IN AND BUY IT AND
MAYBE DO IT ONE BY ONE?
I SUGGEST WE SET UP SOME SORT OF FUND FOR THE GROUND
PENETRATING RADAR SO WE CAN OFFER THAT AS AN INCENTIVE TO
CONVINCE PEOPLE TO DO IT TOP TO COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO'S
OTHER POINT ON PROTECTION, ALMOST WEEKLY, TWICE A WEEK I GET
PICTURES AND TEXTS AND E-MAILS ABOUT PEOPLE SLEEPING IN
GRAVES WHERE THE ROCKS HAVE BEEN TAKEN OFF OR HEAD STONES
CRUSHED, AND THIS IS THE HISTORY OF OUR CITY AND
DISRESPECTFUL OF THE PEOPLE.
SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO BETTER PROTECT THE CEMETERIES THERE.
12:17:35PM >>CARL BRODY:
WE DO HAVE RULES IN PLACE TO PROTECT THE
CEMETERIES, AND WE DO HAVE THE FOLKS FROM OUR DEPARTMENTS
WHO GO OUT AND CHECK AND IF THERE ARE PROBLEMS, THEY CONTACT
LAW ENFORCEMENT TO HAVE THAT ADDRESSED.
WHAT YOU RUN INTO SOMETIMES IS THERE ARE FINE LINES.
THERE ARE CITY CEMETERIES RIGHT NEXT TO PRIVATE CEMETERIES.
A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC MIGHT WALK BY AND SEE WHAT YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT AND NOT REALIZE THAT IT'S ACTUALLY A PRIVATE
CEMETERY WHERE THIS ACTIVITY IS OCCURRING WHERE SOMEBODY IS
SLEEPING ON HEADSTONES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE DO ENFORCE OUR CEMETERY ORDINANCE AND SEND PEOPLE OUT TO
PROTECT IT.
I THINK IT HAPPENED VERY RECENTLY WHERE WE WERE AWARE OF IT.
I KNOW THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT IS RESPONSIBLE
AND TAKING STEPS TO MAKE IT EVEN MORE CLEAR THAT THE
CEMETERIES HAVE TO BE PROTECTED.
12:18:31PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:18:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
REAL QUICK, COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON
MENTIONED IF I MADE A MOTION ABOUT LOOKING TO PURCHASE THE
CEMETERY, BEFORE I WOULD MAKE THAT MOTION, MR. SHELBY, STOP
ME IF I'M DOING SOMETHING WRONG, BUT COULD I MAKE A MOTION
REQUESTING THAT THE REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT OR THE
ADMINISTRATION, WHOEVER IT IS, REACH OUT TO THE PROPERTY
OWNER OF THE PARCEL THAT'S ADJACENT TO WOODLAWN, THIS IS THE
ONE IN QUESTION, WITHOUT SAYING NAMES.
IT'S OUT THERE.
AND JUST SEE THE COST, SEE ABOUT -- NOT SAY BUDGET THE MONEY
AND BUY IT WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FINAL COST.
SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY CONTACT AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS A
DISCUSSION THAT HAPPENED ON COUNCIL.
THESE ARE THE CONCERNS.
WHERE DO WE BEGIN FROM THERE?
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT PERSON HAS NOT HEARD FROM THE CITY OR
HAS A BUYER.
BECAUSE I'VE HEARD IT'S LISTED, NOT LISTED, BACK LISTED,
THEY PUT THE LISTING UP AGAIN.
JUST TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND DIALOGUE, BUT TO SHOW
THAT PERSON THAT THE CITY IS INTERESTED OR IS ASKING
QUESTIONS IN SOME CAPACITY.
12:19:44PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE HAVE A SECOND.
BUT DID YOU, CITY ATTORNEY, WANT TO RESPOND TO -- NO, YOU,
SIR, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
TO MR. MANISCALCO'S QUESTION.
12:19:57PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I BELIEVE THAT'S WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF CITY
COUNCIL IF THE ADMINISTRATION IS WILLING TO DO THAT.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WISHED TO ADD, MR. BRODY?
12:20:08PM >>CARL BRODY:
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR, TO HAVE
THE DISCUSSION ON WHAT THE BEST NEXT STEPS ARE.
12:20:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
I'M NOT A LAWYER.
I'M NOT TRAINED FOR THIS, BUT TO BE A LAWYER AND SPEAK, BUT
I'M NOT AGAINST THE THING.
I WANT TO KNOW HOW THIS CAN GET RESOLVED WITHOUT THE CITY
BUYING IT.
I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE AN OFFER TO SOMEBODY IF HE OR SHE HAS
AN OFFER ALREADY.
I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A BIDDING WAR WITH SOMEBODY, I
DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT I JUST WANT TO PROTECT ALL AREAS
OF THE CITY, INCLUDING THIS COUNCIL AND THIS CITY AND THIS
ADMINISTRATION AND ALL THE TAXPAYERS IN THE CITY ALL AT
ONCE.
I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE CEMETERY BUSINESS, BUT I KNOW I DO
HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO DO SOMETHING.
SO MY SUGGESTION IS, BEFORE WE FIND OUT, A, IS IT FOR SALE?
WHAT PRICE?
HOWEVER, IF THAT LAND HAS SOME INDIVIDUAL BURIED THERE, IT'S
NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
IT IS THE OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY.
LET THE OWNER GET OUT THE WAY TESS.
SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS A LITTLE KID
HERE IN TAMPA, THAT CEMETERY, FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT
WORKED, WAS THERE, AND THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD BE BURIED AT.
THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER.
MAYBE I'M WRONG BECAUSE TEENAGERS GO WACKO ONCE IN A WHILE
WHEN YOU HAVE THE HORMONES GOING AROUND.
THESE ARE THE THINGS I REMEMBER, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M
NOT IN ERROR OF WHAT I REMEMBER.
12:21:31PM >>CARL BRODY:
IF WE KNOW THERE IS A CEMETERY THERE RIGHT
NOW, LIKE WE DO FOR SOME OF THE CEMETERIES, THEN THAT'S
WHERE THE STATUTE COMES INTO PLAY.
THE STATUTE I REFERENCED EARLIER COMES INTO PLAY.
GIVES NEXT OF KIN THE RIGHT TO GO ON THE PROPERTY AND TO
MAINTAIN IT.
BUT THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE KNOWN.
THE SEPARATE ISSUE IS WHERE YOU HAVE THE UNKNOWN, THE LOST
CEMETERIES.
AND THAT'S WHERE YOU NEED TO FILL THAT GAP TO BE ABLE TO
HAVE THAT ACCESS TO THE CEMETERY.
12:22:00PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS RECOGNIZED NEXT.
12:22:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DON'T THINK A MOTION IS WRONG.
MEW ONLY CONCERN IS WE DON'T HAVE ANY -- TIME IS OF THE
ESSENCE.
SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY TIME IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF
MONTHS.
SO IF THERE IS A WAY THAT YOU COULD WORK WITH STAFF BEHIND
THE SCENES IN THE NEXT WEEK TO FIGURE IT OUT.
I'M CONCERNED IF WE DO THAT, WE WON'T HAVE ROOM UNTIL AUGUST
AND I DON'T WANT IT TO GO AWAY.
12:22:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MY THOUGHT IS THAT THE CONVERSATION
BEGINS THAT SOMEBODY FROM REAL ESTATE OR WITH THE CITY
REACHES OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, HEY, CITY COUNCIL HAD THE
DISCUSSION.
A COUNCIL MEMBER, ME, WAS WILLING TO LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND
MAKE A MOTION FOR IT.
THEY COULD SAY WE DON'T WANT TO SELL IT TO THE CITY.
THEY COULD JUST SAY NO.
BUT KNOW THAT THE DISCUSSION HAS BEEN HAD.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, JUNE 5 WE HAVE A REGULAR MEETING.
I THINK IN BETWEEN, I COULD SEE IF ANYTHING HAS HAPPENED
COMMUNICATION-WISE AND THEN JUNE 5, PERHAPS MAKE A FORMAL
MOTION SAYING AS WE GO INTO BUDGET SEASON, HEY, THEY ARE
INTERESTED.
THE CITY WANTS TO DO GPR, I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S A PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THEY CAN JUST SAY NO AND TURN US
AWAY.
BUT AT LEAST WE TALK ABOUT IT AND NOT JUST LET IT GO DOWN
ANOTHER ROAD THAT WHO KNOWS WHAT.
12:23:24PM >>CARL BRODY:
FOR THE PURPOSES OF IF WE'RE DISCUSSING LOST
CEMETERIES THAT WE NEED TO VERIFY THAT THERE'S SOMETHING
THERE, THAT IS A DIFFERENT ISSUE.
WE NEED AN EASEMENT TO GO ON AND HAVE TO NEGOTIATE AN
EASEMENT TO DO A GPR STUDY.
THAT'S NOT AS EXPENSIVE AS ACTUALLY GOING OUT AND PURCHASING
THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY.
THAT'S LIKE KIND OF A MORE NARROW FIRST STEP MAYBE TO KNOW
WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH.
12:23:56PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON WANTS TO SPEAK.
12:24:00PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE
GROUND PENETRATING RADAR, BUT JUST TO THE MOTION THAT
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO MADE, JUST FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW,
BY CHARTER, CITY COUNCIL CANNOT FORCE OR COMPEL STAFF OR THE
ADMINISTRATION TO DO ANYTHING.
SO WHAT HIS -- THE WAY I LOOK AT HIS MOTION IS HE'S SIMPLY
REQUESTING ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL THAT THE STAFF HAVE SOME
KIND OF CONVERSATION.
AND THEN WE'LL SEE WHERE IT GOES FROM THERE.
IT JUST SHOWS THAT IF WE VOTE FOR IT, IT SHOWS THAT THE CITY
COUNCIL IS INTERESTED IN DOING SOMETHING BECAUSE THE
COMMUNITY HAS ASKED US TO LOOK INTO IT.
12:24:38PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BE PUSHED FAR AWAY.
I'M HAPPY TO VOTE AND SAY YES, I SUPPORT YOU DOING THAT.
IF THAT'S WHAT THE VOTE IS TODAY, AND THEN A FOLLOW-UP ON
JUNE 5th WOULD BE AWESOME.
12:24:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M FINE WITH ALL THIS, BUT HOW DO WE
COME UP TO THE POINT, ARE WE GOING TO BUY IT, IF THE PRICE
-- I DON'T KNOW.
I'VE NEVER BOUGHT A PIECE OF PROPERTY LIKE THAT, A CEMETERY.
ARE WE GOING TO BUY IT WITHOUT PASSING THE UNDERGROUND RADAR
TO MAKE SURE IT IS A CEMETERY?
WHAT IF WE BUY IT AND IT'S NOT A CEMETERY?
WHAT DO WE DO THEN?
12:25:25PM >>CARL BRODY:
I WOULD THINK YOU'D WANT TO VERIFY WHAT YOU'RE
PURCHASING, YES.
12:25:29PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR THE THING BUT I
HAVE TO FIND OUT SO I CAN EXPLAIN TO TAXPAYERS WHAT I'M
DOING.
ALL I HEAR IS HEARSAY.
SAW IT ON TELEVISION.
SAW IT ON THIS.
I AGREE WITH ALL THAT, HOWEVER, ARE THERE BODIES IN THE
PROPERTY ITSELF?
12:25:45PM >>CARL BRODY:
THE THING IS, IF YOU DO DETERMINE THAT THERE
ARE BODIES THERE, THAT BRINGS IN THE OTHER STATUTORY ISSUES
THAT ALLOWS THIRD PARTIES --
12:25:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
RATHER SPEND A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS, MAKE
SURE WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THE CORRECT THING.
BUT WE CAN'T IF ON THE PROPERTY ALSO WE HAVE PROPERTY RIGHTS
TO GO IN AND DO IT.
IF THAT SELLER DOESN'T LET ANYONE ELSE DO THAT, THEN HE OR
SHE HAS A PROBLEM BECAUSE THEN WE KNOW THERE'S SOMETHING
WRONG.
THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.
12:26:16PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS REGARDING THIS TOPIC BEFORE WE
VOTE.
MS. BULLOCK, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS?
12:26:25PM >> NO, MA'AM.
12:26:26PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
POYNOR?
MICHELINI AND MS. BURTON.
12:26:36PM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR, I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT
IF THERE ARE BODIES UNDERNEATH IT, THAT LAND IS NOT WORTH
NEARLY AS MUCH.
SO IF THERE IS, THE CITY OF TAMPA SHOULD NOT BE PAYING
ANYWHERE NEAR THE LIST PRICE ON THE PROPERTY.
WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN PEOPLE GET OVERZEALOUS
ABOUT WE MUST DO SOMETHING BECAUSE IT DRIVES UP THE PRICE.
I WOULD IMAGINE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME.
I'M NOT SAYING NOT BUY IT.
I'M SAYING IF THERE ARE ACTUALLY BODIES THERE, IT MAKES THE
PROPERTY LESS VALUABLE, NOT MORE VALUABLE, LESS VALUABLE.
AND WHOEVER DOES PURCHASE IT, IF IT'S NOT THE CITY, THEY'LL
HAVE TO PAY TO HAVE THEM MOVED OR FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY ARE
GOING TO DO WITH IT.
WHEN WE ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS, I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH THE
PROPERTY IS VALUED AT AND DON'T HONESTLY, IT DOESN'T MAKE
ANY DIFFERENCE TO ME, BUT WE HAVE TO BE CONSCIENTIOUS ABOUT
IF WE SEEM TOO AGGRESSIVE ABOUT THE PRICE, THEY WILL BE
STICKING WITH IT.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS IT'S WORTH LESS IF THERE ARE DEAD PEOPLE
THERE.
12:27:43PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MR. MICHELINI, FOLLOWED BY MS. BURTON.
12:27:50PM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
LITTLE HISTORIC PERSPECTIVE.
WHEN I WAS WITH THE CITY, I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR RELOCATING
144 GRAVES FROM UNDERNEATH FORT BROOKE GARAGE.
AND ALL OF THEM WERE EITHER REBURIED AT OAKLAWN CEMETERY,
THE ONES THAT WERE ABLE TO BE IDENTIFIED AS SETTLERS AND THE
INDIAN GRAVES WERE THE ONES THAT WERE TAKEN AND THEN
RELOCATED OUT TO WHAT IS NOW SEMINOLE INDIAN BINGO CASINO
AND HOTEL.
THAT'S HOW THE SEMINOLE INDIAN BINGO AND CASINO GOT BUILT.
IT WAS A TRADE-OFF BETWEEN THE BURIAL RIGHTS THAT THE
INDIANS HAD UNDERNEATH THE GARAGE, FEDERAL FUNDS WERE BEING
USED FOR THE GARAGE AND THE HOTEL COMPLEX.
AND THEN AN EXCHANGE WAS DRAWN UP RELEASING THEIR RIGHTS IN
EXCHANGE FOR PROPERTY THE CITY OWNED AT ORIENT ROAD.
IT WAS A LONG PROCESS.
TOOK ABOUT FOUR MONTHS TO EXCAVATE THE BODIES, IDENTIFY
THEM.
THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER WAS INVOLVED.
HE CAME DOWN FROM TALLAHASSEE.
THE SEMINOLE INDIAN TRIBE AND THE CHIEF JAMES BILLY CAME TO
THE SITE ALONG WITH THE ELDERS OF THAT GROUP AND ALSO THOSE
OF YOU WHO REMEMBER MONSIGNOR HIGGINS, HE CAME DOWN WHERE
THE SETTLER AND ALL THE GRAVES WERE RECONSECRATED BEFORE
BEING TRANSPORTED TO OAKLAWN OR TO THE SEMINOLE INDIAN TRIBE
LOCATION.
IT WAS A LONG PROCESS.
BUT THERE IS A PLAQUE DOWN THERE UNDERNEATH THE GARAGE THAT
TALKS ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT IS A SMALL REMINDER
OF WHAT LOST GRAVES LOOK LIKE.
THERE WERE NO GRAVE MARKERS.
IT WAS A BUILDING AND THEN IT WAS WHATEVER.
IT WAS A PARKING LOT AND A VARIETY OF OTHER THINGS.
BUT OVER TIME IT WAS COMPLETELY LOST.
THERE ARE MORE GRAVES OUT HERE THAT GO OUT INTO FLORIDA
AVENUE.
THEY GO OUT ACROSS THE STREET, AND THE LIMITS OF THAT
CEMETERY ARE NOT REALLY KNOWN.
BUT WE DID RELOCATE 144 OF THEM THAT WERE DIRECTLY BENEATH
FORT BROOKE GARAGE.
12:30:17PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MS. BURTON.
12:30:25PM >> GOOD MORNING.
CONNIE BURTON.
LEGACY IS IMPORTANT.
I LIVED IN ROBLES PARK ABOUT 25 YEARS, AND PRIOR TO GETTING
THERE, ALL OF THE OLDER RESIDENTS WOULD ALWAYS TALK ABOUT
CEMETERIES WAS THERE.
CEMETERIES WAS THERE.
AND DESPITE WHAT PEOPLE WERE SAYING THAT DIDN'T HAVE THE
LEGAL PROOF, THEY WAS CORRECT BECAUSE GUESS WHAT WE FOUND
OUT LATER, CEMETERIES ARE THERE.
BODIES WERE THERE.
AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO JUST DO THE WORK.
IF THE PROPERTY AT WOODLAWN, THE PROPRIETOR WANTS TO SELL IT
FOR A MILLION DOLLARS, THE CITY OUGHT TO BE THERE WHETHER
YOU BUY IT OR NOT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T REPEAT HISTORY.
BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAME IN, ROBLES PARK AND
BUILT OVER THE BODIES.
PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO ANYWAY.
I THINK WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY SINCE NOW WE ARE MORE
ENLIGHTENED AND MORE INFORMED THAT WE SAY WE WANT TO DO THE
RIGHT THING, THEN DO THE RIGHT THING.
ONE SCRIPTURE MY GRANDMOTHER USED TO TELL ME.
THE LIVING KNOW THEY WILL DIE.
THE DEAD KNOW NOTHING.
I THINK WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY AS THE LIVING TO SAY THE
TYPE OF LEGACY THAT WE WANT TO LEAVE BEHIND TO SAY THAT
PEOPLE DIE AS WE CONTINUE TO DISCUSS RESOLUTION 568 AND
BLACK BODIES IS EVERYWHERE IN THIS CITY.
I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE MADAM FORTUNE OWNING ALL OF THIS
PROPERTY AND THEN DIDN'T FIND NO BLACK BODIES UP DOWNTOWN
ANYWHERE.
I JUST SIMPLY NEVER BELIEVE THAT.
BUT NONETHELESS, DOING THE RIGHT THING.
FORCING THE CITY TO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO MAKE SURE IF IT
IS BODIES ON WOODLAWN OR ANYWHERE ELSE, THAT BIG DEVELOPERS
DON'T RUN IN FRONT OF THE LINE IF THERE'S SOME FUNDING, BUT
THAT EVERYBODY, ESPECIALLY THOSE WOMEN THAT HAVE BEEN
FOLLOWING THE CEMETERY SOCIETY GROUP THAT HAS BEEN ADVOCATES
OF MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S DIGNITY IN DEATH.
THANK YOU.
12:32:32PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO, CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR MOTION THAT
WAS SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON FOR THE RECORD?
12:32:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE MOTION WOULD BE THAT THE
ADMINISTRATION, SPECIFICALLY THE REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT,
REACH OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS
RIGHT ADJACENT TO WHAT IS KNOWN AS POTTERS FIELD, THAT
WOODLAWN CEMETERY, WOODLAWN BEING CITY OF TAMPA PROPERTY,
AND STARTING A DIALOGUE TO SEE HOW WE BEGIN, WHETHER THEY
ALLOW FOR GPR, THEN WE CAN FIND OUT WHAT THE COST OF THAT
IS.
AND THIS IS GROUND PENETRATING RADAR, IF WE CAN PARTNER AND
GET ONTO THAT PROPERTY JUST TO PUT TO REST ANY RUMORS OR
CONCERNS.
AND IF WE DO GET THAT KIND OF PERMISSION AND THAT
CONVERSATION STARTS AND WE DO FIND THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE
BURIED THERE, THE NEXT STEP FOR ME WOULD BE TO MAKE A MOTION
FOR THIS UPCOMING BUDGET THAT WE ENTER NEGOTIATIONS OR SET A
PRICE, A BUDGET THAT WE CAN START NEGOTIATING AND POSSIBLY
BUYING THAT PROPERTY IF NEED BE.
12:33:51PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
IT'S ALREADY BEEN SECONDED.
12:33:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HE MENTIONED GROUND PENETRATING RADAR AND
THAT WASN'T MENTIONED BEFORE.
12:33:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WANT TO BE CLEAR AND LISTEN TO THE
CONCERNS.
12:34:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WE HAVE TO REALIZE IT IS WORTH LESS IF
THE PENETRATING RADAR SAYS IT IS POSITIVE.
12:34:08PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
SO YOUR MOTION IS JUST FOR STAFF TO DO THE
WORK, TO GET THE INFORMATION, TO START THE COMMUNICATION.
12:34:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
TALK TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AND SEE IF
THEY ARE WILLING TO SAY, OKAY, WELL, IF YOU PAY FOR IT, DO
THE SCAN.
12:34:17PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THAT IS THE MOTION THAT WE ARE VOTING ON.
IT WAS SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
WE MOVED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
MOTION CARRIES.
YOU'RE RECOGNIZED, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:34:35PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IN REGARD TO THE GROUND PENETRATING RADAR, I
WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK THE ADMINISTRATION --
AGAIN, IT'S JUST A REQUEST -- ASK THE ADMINISTRATION TO
CREATE A BUDGET FOR GROUND PENETRATING RADAR SO THE CITY CAN
OFFER PROPERTY OWNERS INCREASED SERVICE TO DETERMINE IF
GRAVES EXIST.
12:34:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
12:34:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT IS GENERIC.
NOT CONNECTED TO ANY PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
12:34:53PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
FY FISCAL YEAR.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT?
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
THE MOTION CARRIES.
WE HAVE NUMBER 6, LAND DEVELOPMENT STAFF REPORTING ON THE
PARKING LEASES.
12:35:09PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
THIS IS A CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING.
WE ORIGINALLY PRESENTED THIS BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF 2024.
AND AT THAT HEARING, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT ROLLING ANY
UPDATES INTO THE CODE REFORM BEING DONE, THE CODE UPDATE.
WE HAVE NOTHING NEW TO PRESENT.
I KNOW THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT
IDEAS YOU ALL HAD ON WHAT YOU WANTED TO SEE AND ADDRESS THE
ISSUE FOR OFF-SITE PARKING, BUT WE HAVE NOTHING FORMAL TO
PRESENT TODAY.
12:35:48PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ANY QUESTIONS?
DO YOU WANT TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE PowerPoint?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ADD ANYTHING TO THAT?
12:35:59PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE PURPOSE IS JUST TO CHANGE THE RULES SO
THAT WE CAN TAKE OUT, SO WE CAN REQUIRE THAT THEY CAN'T HAVE
EARLY TERMINATION, THAT THE COMPLAINT FROM PROPERTY OWNERS
AND NEIGHBORHOODS IS THAT PEOPLE, THEY WILL GET A PARKING
LEASE AND THEN A MONTH OR SO AFTER THEY ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE
THEIR ALCOHOL LICENSE OR WHATEVER, THEY'LL CANCEL IT AND
THEN THE PROPERTY OWNER WILL RELEASE IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
IT IS TO REMOVE THAT.
IS THERE ANYTHING -- WHAT WOULD WE NEED TO DO TO --
12:36:31PM >>ERIC COTTON:
THE MOTION WOULD BE FOR US TO COME BACK WITH
A TEXT AMENDMENT TO CHANGE IT, BUT THAT WAS NEVER PART OF
THE CYCLE WE'RE IN NOW.
12:36:38PM >>BILL CARLSON:
TELL ME WHAT MOTION I SHOULD MAKE.
12:36:40PM >>ERIC COTTON:
IF THAT IS THE GOAL OF CITY COUNCIL, THERE
WERE TWO ISSUES THAT CAME UP, THE LENGTH OF THE LEASE,
WHETHER IT BE 5, 10 -- WHATEVER LONG THAT LEASE IS AND THE
EARLY TERMINATION.
12:36:53PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ASK STAFF TO BRING BACK A TEXT AMENDMENT TO
ADDRESS THE LENGTH OF LEASE AND EARLY TERMINATION ON PARKING
LEASES.
12:37:02PM >>ERIC COTTON:
THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PART OF A JULY CYCLE --
JULY 2025 CYCLE.
12:37:08PM >>BILL CARLSON:
AS PART OF JULY 2025 CYCLE.
12:37:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'LL SECOND.
12:37:14PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
12:37:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THOUGHT MS. FEELEY SAID WE WEREN'T DOING
ANY MORE TEXT AMENDMENTS UNTIL AFTER THE LDC WAS DONE.
12:37:21PM >>ERIC COTTON:
IN JULY 2025, ONE OF THE CYCLES COMING
THROUGH IS IN RELATION TO THE BONUS CRITERIA THAT'S BEING
ADOPTED IN THE COMP PLAN.
SO PART OF THAT LIST.
WANT THIS TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE MAJOR CODE UPDATE.
THAT WOULD BE COUNCIL'S PREROGATIVE.
12:37:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GOOD TO KNOW.
THANK YOU.
12:37:36PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MIRANDA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.
12:37:39PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I HAD TO STEP OUT FOR A FEW SECONDS
BECAUSE I HAD SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT TO DO, THIS IS WHEN
YOU BUY A PROPERTY AND YOU NEED A PARKING AREA FOR BUSINESS
TO CONTAIN, FIVE-YEAR LEASE, NO MAXIMUM, UP TO FIVE YEARS,
YOU HAVE TO HOLD IT, NO MATTER IF YOU HAVE ONE YEAR, STILL
PAY WHATEVER IT IS.
IF I RECALL BACK YEARS AGO, CERTAIN AREA OF TOWN WAS USING
THAT AND I BELIEVE I VOTED AGAINST ALL OF THEM.
THEY CAN SAY YEAH AND BREAK THE LEASE AND THEY GOT WHAT THEY
WANTED.
12:38:11PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SOUTH HOWARD --
12:38:13PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I DIDN'T MENTION --
12:38:16PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
OKAY.
ANY OTHER STATEMENTS?
DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING, MANISCALCO?
ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?
YES, WE HAVE MS. POYNOR, MS. BULLOCK AND MR. MICHELINI.
I THINK MS. BULLOCK LEFT.
AND HE SAID NO.
MS. POYNOR.
12:38:40PM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT, THIS IS A PET PEEVE OF MY BUDDY
ANDY JOE SCAGLIONE.
HONESTLY, WHEN HE BROUGHT IT TO MY ATTENTION, I'M PRETTY
SURE THAT HE'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THIS HAS COME FORWARD.
WAS BECAUSE THE FOLKS WOULD ENTER INTO A CONTRACT AND IT
WOULD HAVE A 30-DAY OUT CLAUSE.
PARKING IS A PREMIUM HERE.
I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT MY PHONE BECAUSE I HAVE ALL THE
PICTURES OF THESE PEOPLE PARKED OUTSIDE OF ALL THE APARTMENT
COMPLEXES DOWN NEAR US NOW.
BUT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
I'M KIND OF SURPRISED THAT THERE WASN'T ALREADY A MOTION FOR
THIS BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT WAY
LONGER THAN WE TALKED ABOUT GARAGES.
BUT HEY, WHAT DO I KNOW?
THANK YOU.
12:39:26PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR FINAL ITEM -- WHAT DID WE HAVE A
MOTION FOR?
YOUR REQUEST.
I APOLOGIZE.
AND YOU WERE THE SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
12:39:39PM >> AYE.
12:39:39PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ANY OPPOSED?
12:39:40PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU, MR. COTTON.
12:39:42PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
ITEM NUMBER 7, MR. COTTON, THE TEXT AMENDMENTS, RIGHT?
12:39:49PM >>ERIC COTTON:
YES, MA'AM.
WE'RE BEFORE YOU FOR THE JULY 2024.
SHOULD HAVE WRAPPED THIS INTO THE JULY 2025 TEXT AMENDMENT
CYCLE.
THIS IS A WORKSHOP.
THE LAST FORMALIZED WORKSHOP.
AT THE END, WE'LL ASK TO YOU TRANSMIT THIS TO THE PLANNING
COMMISSION FOR THEIR REVIEW AND THEN IT WILL COME BACK TO
YOU SOMETIME I BELIEVE IN JULY FOR ACTUAL FIRST READING AND
THEN SECOND READING.
THERE'S, AGAIN, WE DO THIS TWICE A YEAR NORMALLY, THE TEXT
AMENDMENT CYCLE.
JANUARY AND JULY ARE THE CYCLES.
WE'RE IN THE CURRENT CYCLE.
DIDN'T DO ONE JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, BUT JULY 2024 CYCLE.
12:40:40PM >>BILL CARLSON:
COULD WE DO A POINT OF ORDER FOR THE PUBLIC?
JUST TO TELL THE PUBLIC, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF E-MAILS ABOUT
THE PLANNING COMMISSION PROPOSAL.
THIS IS NOT THAT.
THAT MEETING IS TONIGHT.
SO IF YOU ARE WATCHING, THIS IS NOT THE ONE THAT IS GOING TO
BE DISCUSSED TONIGHT.
12:40:56PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
GOOD POINT.
12:40:57PM >>ERIC COTTON:
THE FIRST ROUND ARE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE
INITIATED BY CITY COUNCIL TO SECTION 27-61150.
WE'RE ADDING A LINE FOR SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
THEN THE ONES ADDED ON BY COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN FOR THE
PARKING GARAGE DEPTH AND PARKING -- FOR PARKING.
I'LL GO THROUGH THESE A LITTLE MORE IN DETAIL.
THE FIRST ONE WAS 27-61, THE REVIEW HEARING.
TO SUMMARIZE THIS REQUEST, IT IS TO BASICALLY REMOVE THE
HEARING OFFICER FROM THE PROCESS FROM FORMAL DECISIONS.
WHEN THAT IS APPEALED, ZONING ADMINISTRATOR DETERMINATION IS
APPEALED, STEP NOW IT GOES TO HEARING OFFICER.
THE HEARING OFFICER WRITES AN ORDER THAT COMES BEFORE CITY
COUNCIL AND CITY COUNCIL THEN EITHER UPHOLDS THE HEARING
OFFICER OR DOESN'T.
THIS WOULD HAVE ALL THOSE HEARINGS, ANY APPEALS FROM A
ZONING ADMINISTRATOR DETERMINATION GO DIRECTLY TO CITY
COUNCIL.
THE ONE ADDITION TO THIS IS THE FACT, DOING THAT IS FOR THAT
PROCESS, A FINAL ORDER WOULD HAVE TO BE ISSUED BY CITY
COUNCIL.
AGAIN, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE THE
ABILITY TO GO TO CIRCUIT COURT.
SO THERE WOULD BE A MORE FORMALIZED PROCESS AT THE END
VERSUS JUST A MOTION TO OVERTURN OR UPHOLD.
YOU ALL DO HAVE THE PACKETS FOR THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE.
27-150, A MOTION TO REMOVE THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S
ABILITY TO WAIVE THE 12-MONTH WAITING PERIOD.
RIGHT NOW, IF SOMEBODY IS DOING A REZONING, MOST LIKELY A
PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND THEY ARE DENIED AND THAT PERSON CAN
SHOW THEY WERE DENIED FOR THREE REASONS BY CITY COUNCIL AND
THAT PERSON REDESIGNS THEIR SITE AND ADDRESSES THOSE THREE
REASONS FOR DENIAL, THE ZI CAN WAIVE THE 12 MONTH PROCESS.
THAT'S REMOVING THE ABILITY FOR ME TO DO SO.
THIS GOES INTO THE PARKING LOT ISSUES, THE PARKING STUFF.
THIS IS A FOOTNOTE IN TABLE 4-2, WHICH IS THE USE, WHICH IS
THE DIMENSIONAL CRITERIA FOR THE CODE.
THIS IS REMOVING THE ABILITY -- RIGHT NOW, IF YOU ARE DOING
A SIDE LOAD GARAGE, CORNER, SIDE LOAD GARAGE IS ALLOWED TO
BE AT TEN FEET.
THIS WOULD REQUIRE TO BE AT THE 18 FEET LIKE A GARAGE IN THE
FRONT.
THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THE ABILITY TO HAVE ANYBODY HANG OVER
INTO THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY.
THROUGH THE DESIGN EXCEPTION PROCESS, IF SOMEBODY IS COMING
IN OFF AN ALLEY, THEY COULD STILL ASK FOR THAT REDUCTION.
THAT WOULD THEN BE DONE, WHEN THAT GETS PROCESSED BY US,
MOBILITY WEIGHS IN ON THAT SO THEY CAN HAVE A SAY WHAT'S
GOING ON WITH THAT KIND OF REQUEST.
FOR UNDER THE ADMINISTRATIVE WAIVER OF PARKING, THERE WAS A
COMMENT REGARDING PARKING FOR SINGLE-FAMILY AND TWO FAMILY
-- OR SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED.
THERE WAS DISCUSSION AT CITY COUNCIL, WE'RE REMOVING THAT
FROM THIS SECTION.
THE DISCUSSION WAS -- OKAY FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT BUT
NOT INSIDE OF A GARAGE.
I GUESS SOME COUNCIL HEARINGS WHERE YOU HAD A GARAGE EXTRA
DEEP AND PEOPLE PARKING BACK TO BACK INSIDE THE GARAGE.
I WOULD REMOVE THAT REQUEST.
COMING OUT OF THIS SECTION OF THE CODE.
THIS IS A SECTION THAT'S REGARDING THE GARAGE DEPTH.
I'M KEEPING UP WITH MY NOTEBOOK OVER HERE WITH THE ACTUAL
CODE SECTIONS.
THIS IS NOW CREATING THE MINIMUM SIZE FOR GARAGES.
NOT CURRENTLY CODIFIED.
THIS REALLY ONLY AFFECTS SOMEBODY IF THEY ARE NOT PROVIDING
THE 18-FOOT LONG DRIVEWAY.
FOR MOST PEOPLE, MOST ZONING IN THE CITY REQUIRES A MINIMUM
OF 20 TO 25-FOOT SETBACK FOR THE FRONT YARD ANYWAY.
FRONT LOAD GARAGE YOU SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE ONE
CAR IN THE -- OR TWO CARS IN THE GARAGE, THAT GARAGE DOESN'T
MATTER HOW WIDE IT IS OR NOT HAVE A GARAGE AT ALL BECAUSE
YOUR TWO REQUIRED PARKING SPACES WOULD BE IN THE DRIVEWAY
ITSELF.
AGAIN, TANDEM PARKING ONLY FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT FOR
PARKING PADS OR FOR THE DRIVEWAYS.
WHEN WE WROTE THE LANGUAGE WE SAID THERE WAS NO WAIVER
EITHER THROUGH AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS, THROUGH A VARIANCE
BEFORE THE VRB OR BLC OR ARC OR PD FROM CITY COUNCIL.
THIS IS ACTUALLY A CHANGE IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW, THE
DRAWINGS WERE NOT REALLY DONE PROPERLY BACK HISTORICALLY.
SO I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT THE NEW GRAPHIC WAS UPDATED TO SHOW
THAT THAT DISTANCE FROM HERE TO THERE, THAT WAS NOT -- IT
USED TO SHOW THE DRIVEWAY APRON GOING OUT THERE.
AND THE DIMENSIONS WERE NOT CORRECT.
WE FIXED THAT TO SAY THIS IS NOW 18 FEET, MINIMUM OF 18
FEET, 18 FEET, INSTEAD OF THE 15 FEET OR 3 FEET, WHATEVER
THE CODE PREVIOUSLY SAID.
IT IS AN UPDATE TO THE GRAPHIC ITSELF.
THE NEXT PORTION WAS FOR THE BUILD-TO LINE.
WE CREATED A DEFINITION.
IT WAS NOT PREVIOUSLY DEFINED IN THE CODE.
NOW IT SAYS BASICALLY THE DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO
THE FRONT WALL OF THE STRUCTURE.
THE NEXT ONE IS WE JUST CHANGED THE LANGUAGE ON HOW THE BTL
IS MEASURED.
THIS IS LANGUAGE THAT WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION WE HAD AT
CITY COUNCIL A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, WHICH IS WHEN YOU HAVE
A VACANT LOT, THE DEFAULT AT 20 FEET, ADJACENT TO A VACANT
LOT THAT LOT WOULD BE 20 FEET.
YOUR LOT -- THAT'S CODIFYING HOW WE CURRENTLY DO THE
MEASUREMENTS.
WE ALSO UPDATED THE DRAWINGS, IF COUNCIL RECALLS.
WE HAVE CREATED ALL THE GRAPHICS TO SHOW THIS IS THE
PROPERTY LINE.
BEFORE, THE LINES WENT FORWARD ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE
STREET.
THIS IS NOW DEFINITELY ENDING AT THE PROPERTY LINE TO AVOID
THAT CONFUSION.
THE NEXT IS A SET INITIATED BY STAFF.
EITHER MYSELF OR OTHER PEOPLE IN THE OFFICE OR THE LEGAL
DEPARTMENT.
I'LL GO THROUGH THOSE.
THE FIRST ONE IS FOR THE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS.
RIGHT NOW IN THE CODE, WE HAVE DESIGN EXCEPTION ONE, DESIGN
EXCEPTION TWO, WE HAVE SEPARATE CRITERIA FOR WHERE YOU'RE
LOCATED IN THE CITY, WHAT PLANNING DISTRICT YOU'RE IN.
IF YOU'RE IN CENTRAL TAMPA VERSUS SOUTH TAMPA PLANNING
DISTRICT, WHAT YOU CAN ASK FOR IS DIFFERENT.
THIS WOULD REQUIRE THEM ALL TO BE THE SAME.
SO YOU HAVE A SET, BOTH ON STAFF SIDE AND ON THE PUBLIC
SIDE, THIS IS WHAT YOU CAN REQUEST.
THIS IS WHAT YOU CAN GET.
IF YOU NEED MORE THAN THAT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO SEEK A
VARIANCE FROM VRB OR ARC, WHATEVER YOU HAPPEN TO BE IN.
THIS IS REQUIRING NOTICE FOR ALL DESIGN EXCEPTIONS.
THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF NOT INCLUDING CERTAIN ONES FOR SAKE
OF STAFF, I THINK IT WOULD BE EASIER TO HAVE EVERYBODY, ALL
DESIGN EXCEPTIONS -- GET NOTICE SO STAFF DOESN'T
INADVERTENTLY SAY YOU DON'T NEED TO DO A NOTICE OR YOU DO
NEED TO DO A NOTICE AND PEOPLE GOING THROUGH A PROCESS THEY
DON'T NEED TO BE IN.
THIS IS REQUIRING NOTICE.
AFTER FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL, THE DECISION WAS TO MAKE IT
FROM 15 DAYS WHICH IT CURRENTLY IS TO 30 DAY NOTICE.
I KNOW THIS IS SMALL.
I APOLOGIZE.
I CAN BLOW THAT UP SOME.
RIGHT NOW IN THE CODE FOR VARIANCES AND FOR SOME OF THE
ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESSES LIKE THE DESIGN EXCEPTION, THERE'S
NO CODE REQUIREMENT FOR WHAT MINIMALLY HAS TO BE ON A SITE
PLAN.
THOSE ON THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD, YOU GET SOME ODD SITE
PLANS ARE SUBMITTED.
THIS IS BASICALLY GOING TO REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE STANDARDIZED
SITE PLANS, WE TOOK SOME OF THE STUFF FROM THE PD SITE PLAN
THAT YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH SEEING AND INCORPORATING.
MOST OF THESE ARE NOT AT THE SAME SKILL OR LEVEL OF A
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT BUT REQUIRE THE SAME -- SITE DATA TABLE.
NORTH ARROW, NAMES OF STREETS, LOCATION OF TREES.
ALL THAT STUFF SHOULD BE ON A PLAN.
THIS IS INITIATED CURRENTLY WHEN THE ARC MAKES A DECISION.
THAT WOULD BE APPEALED TO CITY COUNCIL.
THIS WOULD CHANGE THAT TO APPEAL, SIMILAR TO WHAT THE BLC,
WHEN BLC ADMINISTRATOR MAKES A DETERMINATION, APPEALED TO
BLC, MAKE THE ARC THE SAME WAY.
27-132, BLOW THIS UP AGAIN.
EASIER TO SEE.
PROBABLY ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, COUNCIL AMENDED THE
REQUIREMENTS FOR ADU AND ALLOWED THEM TO BE IN NONCONFORMING
STRUCTURES, STRUCTURES MADE CONFORMING AS A RESULT OF
VARIANCE.
THIS IS TAKING SOME OF THAT SAME LANGUAGE AND PUTTING INTO
EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCE, MOTHER-IN-LAW, FATHER-IN-LAW,
GRANDPARENTS WHEN THEY NEED TO MOVE SOMEWHERE, MIMICKING THE
SAME LANGUAGE.
COUNCIL, YOU HAVE SEEN PROBABLY QUITE A FEW IN YOUR TIME ON
COUNCIL OF APPEALS FOR SPECIAL USE ONES THAT STAFF HAS
DENIED WHEN THE PERSON HAD A 2.8-FOOT SETBACK INSTEAD OF
3-FOOT SETBACK.
THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THOSE COMING BEFORE YOU.
THIS IS A FOOTNOTE IN TABLE 4-2.
THOUGH THE CODE WAS AMENDED PROBABLY IN I WANT TO SAY 2017,
2018 THAT WOULD ALLOW BUILDERS OR SOMEBODY DEVELOPING ON
THEIR PROPERTY TO ADJUST THEIR SETBACKS WITHOUT GOING
THROUGH ANY OTHER PROCESS.
IF THEY WERE SAVING A GRAND OR SPECIMEN TREE.
WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN OUR EXPERIENCE, A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE
COME IN, THE TREE IS IN THE BACKYARD, IT'S OUTSIDE THE
20-FOOT SETBACK FOR THE PROTECTIVE RADIUS, THAT TREE ANYWAY.
PEOPLE SAY I'M SAVING THE TREE, I WANT TO PICK UP THE EXTRA
SQUARE FOOTAGE.
THERE WAS NO OFFSET FOR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
IN A SENSE REDUCE SETBACK AND PICK UP ANOTHER 500 SQUARE
FEET OR WHATEVER.
THIS IS COMING OUT OF THE CODE.
IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO ADJUST THEIR SETBACKS THEY HAVE TO
EITHER GET A DESIGN EXCEPTION OR SEEK A VARIANCE.
IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW, THIS IS FOR PERMIT REMOVAL FOR GRAND
TREES.
THIS WAS WRITTEN BY ONE OF OUR TREE GUYS OR TREE EXPERTS.
I'M NOT ONE.
SO GIVE ME A MOMENT TO REMEMBER THIS.
THIS IS JUST DISCUSSING, IF YOU HAVE A TREE LIMIT OF MORE
THAN FOUR INCHES IN DIAMETER, 12-INCH FROM THE BASE, YOU
HAVE THE BASE OF YOUR TREE, HAD -- THE BRANCHES THAT COME
OUT, HAVE TO BE SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.
NORMALLY WHEN YOU GET AN ARBORIST REPORT IT'S SHOWN THERE.
RELYING ON THE ARBORIST REPORT VERSUS STAFF GOING OUT AND
DOING THE MEASUREMENTS TO ENSURE IT IS CORRECT.
CERTIFIED ARBORIST WOULD BE THE ONE WRITING UP THE REPORT
AND SHOWING WHERE THIS IS AND HOW IT'S BEING AFFECTED.
THIS WAS SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, WHICH ARE YOUR TYPICALLY
TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT.
PREVIOUSLY, WE DID NOT HAVE THE REQUIREMENT TO BUFFER ITSELF
FROM -- WOULD NOT REQUIRE THE 15-FOOT BUFFER.
THIS IS REMOVING THAT SECTION FROM THE CODE.
WE THINK PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENT IN 2022 THAT
ADDED THAT IN THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WHEN IT WAS CODIFIED GOT MESSED UP OR
MUNICODE PUT IT IN THE FORMAT BUT THIS IS REMOVING THE
REQUIREMENT.
ABBYE AND I DID RESEARCH, WENT BACK TO ORIGINAL CHAPTER 43.
NEVER IN THERE REQUIRING IT SO WE TOOK IT BACK OUT.
FOR AIR CONDITIONING AND POOLS AND GENERATORS, GENERATORS
WERE NOT IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW.
AS PEOPLE ARE REBUILDING AND RAISING THEIR HOMES UP IN
FLOOD-PRONE AREAS, TECO IS REQUIRING THAT THE METER BE PUT
UP HIGHER TO BE OUT OF THE FLOOD ISSUE.
BUT TECO REQUIRES A PLATFORM TO BE INSTALLED.
CODE IS SILENT ON THAT.
THIS IS JUST INCLUDING THAT INTO THE CODE NOW HAVING
SPECIFIC SETBACKS FOR GENERATORS OR AIR CONDITIONING STANDS
AND TECO STANDS, WHAT THE SETBACK WOULD HAVE TO BE.
AND THAT IS THE LAST OF THE AMENDMENTS.
THE NEXT PAGE IS WHERE WE ARE.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN MAY, 2025.
THIS IS THE LAST, THE DRAFT LANGUAGE UNLESS COUNCIL WANTS TO
MAKE CHANGES OR SUGGESTIONS, WE CAN DO THAT.
THIS WOULD BE TRANSMITTED -- THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE
TRANSMITTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION BRIEFING IN JULY.
AUGUST WE WOULD HAVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND
COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH A DAYTIME MEETING TO ACTUALLY HAVE
THE FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE.
SEPTEMBER WOULD BE THE SECOND READING.
OCTOBER 1st, EVERYTHING SHOULD BE GOING FORWARD INTO THE
EFFECTIVE DATE.
12:55:41PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MANISCALCO, IS YOUR LIGHT ON FOR A REASON?
12:55:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO, MA'AM.
I'M SORRY.
12:55:45PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:55:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DETAILING
EACH OF THESE.
I'M FINE WITH MOVING THEM FORWARD.
GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION NEXT KNOWING THAT WE HAVE A
CHANCE TO LOOK AT THEM AGAIN.
I KNOW YOU WANT TO GET THE PROCESS STARTED TO GET IT THROUGH
THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR EFFORT TO GET THESE TO
THIS POINT.
THESE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING A LOT
ABOUT.
SO WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT.
12:56:14PM >>ERIC COTTON:
YOU'RE WELCOME.
THANK YOU.
12:56:19PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM MS. POYNOR AND
MR. MICHELINI.
ARE YOU ALL PASSING?
12:56:45PM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
12 MONTHS BEING WAIVED, THAT'S AMAZING.
IT SAVES EVERYBODY A WHOLE BUNCH OF GRIEF.
YOU KNOW THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, DEVELOPERS HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO AT THEIR NOTIFICATION OF FILING, THEY HAVE
THEIR GOOD NEIGHBOR NOTICE.
THEY HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO SPEAK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND IF THEY COME HERE AND THEY LOSE, FRICKING PAPER WORK
BACK THERE, YOU GUYS APPROVE 92% OF WHAT COMES IN FRONT OF
YOU.
92%.
THAT MEANS 8% ARE REALLY, REALLY CRAPPY PLANS.
AND IF THEY ARE THAT BAD, AND THEY HAVE TALKED TO THE
NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY STILL DECIDED TO COME IN HERE WITH
CRAPPY PLANS, WHOSE FAULT IS THAT?
NOBODY SHOULD HAVE TO WAIT THAT ONE OUT.
TANDEM PARKING IS NOT REALISTIC.
IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
I HAVE ENOUGH PROBLEMS WITH THE ISSUE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD OF
HAVING DEFICIENT DRIVEWAYS.
THOSE FOLKS, WE'VE GOT GARAGES THAT ARE TOO SMALL AND THOSE
FOLKS HAVE TO PARK -- THEY DON'T EVEN LIKE TO PARK BEHIND
ONE ANOTHER.
I SHOWED YOU GUYS MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE HAVE 27 VISITOR PARKING SPACES.
ANY TIME OF DAY, ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
DAY, MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
AT LEAST 12 OF THOSE PARKING SPACES ARE TAKEN UP BY PEOPLE
WHO OWN IN THE COMMUNITY.
THEY ARE NOT VISITORS.
THE OTHER THING IS GARAGE SIZES.
OH, I DON'T CARE IF THEY ARE ENCLOSED OR NOT.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, FEMA SAYS WE SHOULD STOP FILLING UNDER
HOUSES.
SO PUT THE HOUSES UP ON THE PILLARS AND LET THEM HAVE
OPEN-AIR GARAGES OR OPEN-AIR FACILITIES.
QUITE A FEW OF THEM IN PORT TAMPA ALREADY.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE A CODE THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T
HAVE OPEN PARKING UNDERNEATH YOUR HOME.
THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT.
I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT.
I'M SURE I'M FORGETTING SOMETHING.
THANK YOU.
12:58:39PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
MR. MICHELINI.
12:58:43PM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
I SENT AN E-MAIL TO YOU REGARDING THE GARAGE SIZES.
THEY SHOULD BE SET AT 19 FEET OF WIDTH ON THE INSIDE
DIMENSION.
THAT'S A STANDARD PARKING SIZE.
AND 18 FEET IN DEPTH.
YOU'VE ADDED AND PER THE DISCUSSION THAT WAS HELD AT COUNCIL
BEFORE, YOU'VE ADDED AN ASSUMPTION THAT YOU CAN'T STORE YOUR
SOLID WASTE, YOUR GARBAGE CANS AND ALL THAT OUTSIDE.
THAT SHOULD BE A DESIGN ISSUE THAT'S REQUIRED FOR THE
BUILDER TO SOLVE AND NOT INCORPORATED THAT ENDS UP CREATING
A HARDSHIP FOR THE BUILDER.
WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS THAT YOU SET THE INSIDE DIMENSION
AT 19 AND THE DEPTH AT 18 FEET.
ALLOW THE DRIVEWAY AT 18 FEET, MINIMUM LENGTH TO COUNT
TOWARD REQUIRED PARKING.
THAT ALSO REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURES.
REMOVE THE OBLIGATION FOR ENCLOSED PARKING.
THAT'S IN THE CODE.
NOT ADDRESSED IN THIS AMENDMENT, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, AND ALLOW
NEW CARPORTS TO BE PARTIALLY ENCLOSED.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND IT DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO THIS CHANGE.
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT NOT ENCLOSING THE SIDE WALLS SO THAT
YOU HAD THE EXTRA WIDTH TO GET IN AND OUT TO MANEUVER.
ALLOW TANDEM PARKING AS LONG AS THE 18-FOOT OF DIMENSIONS
ARE PROVIDED IN THE PARKING, IN THE DRIVEWAY.
AND SOLID WASTE STORAGE IS A SEPARATE ISSUE AND NOT SHOULD
BECOME AN OBLIGATION OF THE GARAGE.
THE LAST ISSUE, NOT ALLOWING YOU TO FILE WITHIN A YEAR, A
LOT OF THESE -- FIRST OF ALL, YOU CAN'T AMEND YOUR SITE PLAN
WITHIN 30 DAYS OF APPEARING BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
IF YOU GET OTHER COMMENTS, EITHER FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR
FROM STAFF, YOU CAN'T MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
SO WHEN YOU COME BEFORE YOU AND THE STAFF HAS -- AND THE
PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE CITY AND THE NEIGHBORS HAVE
ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, YOU DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF BEING
ABLE TO CHANGE THAT SITE PLAN.
SO THE ONE YEAR, IF YOU COME BACK AND THE COUNCIL HAS MADE A
MOTION THAT SPECIFIES WHAT THESE -- WHAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE
AS YOU DO IN YOUR MOTION, THEN YOU HAVE THE BENEFIT OF BEING
ABLE TO MAKE CHANGES TO THAT SITE PLAN AND RESUBMIT WITHIN
THE YEAR.
IT CREATES A HARDSHIP.
IF IT'S A LARGER PROJECT OR EVEN SMALLER PROJECTS TO HAVE
THE BENEFIT OF YOUR DISCUSSION AND ANY PUBLIC HEARING
DISCUSSION TO BE ABLE TO MEET THOSE ISSUES THAT ARE BROUGHT
UP BEFORE YOU.
SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T MEET THEM, AND THAT MEANS THAT PROJECT
IS DEAD.
BUT IF YOU CAN MEET THEM AND THE STAFF IS LOOKING -- THEY
LOOK AT THE MOTIONS BEFORE THEY CERTIFY A PLAN TO WAIVE THAT
ONE YEAR.
SO WE'D ENCOURAGE YOU NOT TO DELETE THAT PORTION.
THANK YOU.
1:01:47PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
THANK YOU.
OKAY.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO BE MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
1:01:53PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MAKE A MOTION TO TRANSMIT THE JULY 2024
AMENDMENT CYCLE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
1:02:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
1:02:02PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
AND I HAVE A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
1:02:04PM >> AYE.
1:02:05PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
ANY OPPOSED?
DO WE DO NEW BUSINESS OR SEE YOU ALL TONIGHT?
1:02:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
TURN IN MY FORM --
1:02:16PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
DO WE TAKE MOTIONS FOR THOSE?
1:02:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.
1:02:23PM >>GWEN HENDERSON:
YOU SECOND FOR CARLSON.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF YOURS?
AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF YOURS?
BOTH MOTIONS CARRIED.
MEETING ADJOURNED.
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